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Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 08:38:05 PM
Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/candleman2justice2007.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 09:42:53 PM
Hey, monkeys


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 08, 2007, 09:43:30 PM
Hi guys!

I wouldn't count too much on ages reported on my space and tickle. I caight my 14 and 12 year old neices listing their ages as 19 and 21.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hey, monkeys
Tibro made it here first... :lol:   Here!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 09:45:03 PM
Robot's sent me this photo.  IMO, the only way Joran really wears a size 14 is if the tag in his shoe was switched.  He probably really wears a size 10 1/2 - 11 and that's why he got so mad durring the interrigation.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/ROBOTSNEWSNEAKERS.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 09:46:02 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hi guys!

I wouldn't count too much on ages reported on my space and tickle. I caight my 14 and 12 year old neices listing their ages as 19 and 21.  :roll:


I know but both Aline and Melody have been seen in all the bars as well.  Especially Aline.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 09:46:19 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hi guys!

I wouldn't count too much on ages reported on my space and tickle. I caight my 14 and 12 year old neices listing their ages as 19 and 21.  :roll:
They sure don't look 19 and 21 in that picture , that is for sure....who knows, maybe all that partying keeps them young :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2007, 09:46:31 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hi guys!

I wouldn't count too much on ages reported on my space and tickle. I caight my 14 and 12 year old neices listing their ages as 19 and 21.  :roll:


The pictures definitely portray girls much younger but ... sometimes it is very difficult to tell.  My daughter has always appeared much younger than her actual age.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 08, 2007, 09:48:41 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Robot's sent me this photo.  IMO, the only way Joran really wears a size 14 is if the tag in his shoe was switched.  He probably really wears a size 10 1/2 - 11 and that's why he got so mad durring the interrigation.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/ROBOTSNEWSNEAKERS.jpg)


I know this has been said before, but stuff like the show size just drives me nuts. ALE should have measured his stinky foot and done a simple conversion to shoe size.
That's the kind of thing that could be done now with accuracy, if someone would just require it of him before he is released as a suspect.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 09:50:02 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Robot's sent me this photo.  IMO, the only way Joran really wears a size 14 is if the tag in his shoe was switched.  He probably really wears a size 10 1/2 - 11 and that's why he got so mad durring the interrigation.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/ROBOTSNEWSNEAKERS.jpg)


I know this has been said before, but stuff like the show size just drives me nuts. ALE should have measured his stinky foot and done a simple conversion to shoe size.
That's the kind of thing that could be done now with accuracy, if someone would just require it of him before he is released as a suspect.
'


YEP


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 08, 2007, 09:50:48 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hi guys!

I wouldn't count too much on ages reported on my space and tickle. I caight my 14 and 12 year old neices listing their ages as 19 and 21.  :roll:


I know but both Aline and Melody have been seen in all the bars as well.  Especially Aline.


That would make a difference, Klaas. Even though I know things in Aruban bars are lax, I think they'd see 12 and 13 year olds as a risk.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 08, 2007, 09:52:23 PM
I'M ON A LAPTOP AND IT MAKES ME THE TYPO QUEEN FOR SOME REASON! I"M SORRY!!!!  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2007, 09:53:03 PM
Hi Robots ... I apologize for squeeeeeling on you last night night.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 09:53:38 PM
Didn't we hear that Joran was banned from one bar for having sex in the restroom with some local girl?

Does anyone remember who and what bar?

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 09:53:41 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Hi Robots ... I apologize for squeeeeeling on you last night night.


its ok


im used to it

youre the BEST  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on May 08, 2007, 09:55:05 PM
Been reading and thinking.
The night that Paulus ( according to him ) picks Joran up at 11 at McDonalds. Joran is at home finishing homework, Deepak and Satish just come in the front gate ? Did they leave it unlocked when everyone is in for the night ? If Joran is " sneaking " out, why have a loud muffler drive up , two guys come into your property ?
Maybe Paulus wasn't at home at all. Didn't someone see the three clowns together earlier than that midnight ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 09:55:11 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'M ON A LAPTOP AND IT MAKES ME THE TYPO QUEEN FOR SOME REASON! I"M SORRY!!!!  :oops:


blaming it on the laptop .....huh  :twisted:




 8)  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 09:56:23 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Didn't we hear that Joran was banned from one bar for having sex in the restroom with some local girl?

Does anyone remember who and what bar?

.

That was the Bahia and it might have been with Aline.  I think it was right around the time when he was with that blonde girl staying at the Marriott.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
Didn't we hear that Joran was banned from one bar for having sex in the restroom with some local girl?

Does anyone remember who and what bar?

.

That was the Bahia


something about sex in bar RESTROOM makes me SHIVER

GROSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 09:58:11 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
Didn't we hear that Joran was banned from one bar for having sex in the restroom with some local girl?

Does anyone remember who and what bar?

.

That was the Bahia and it might have been with Aline.  I think it was right around the time when he was with that blonde girl staying at the Marriott.


That's where I remember, too.

He's pretty much an animal.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 09:58:28 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
Didn't we hear that Joran was banned from one bar for having sex in the restroom with some local girl?

Does anyone remember who and what bar?

.

That was the Bahia and it might have been with Aline.  I think it was right around the time when he was with that blonde girl staying at the Marriott.


That's where I remember, too.

He's pretty much an animal.

.




 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 09:59:04 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hi guys!

I wouldn't count too much on ages reported on my space and tickle. I caight my 14 and 12 year old neices listing their ages as 19 and 21.  :roll:


I know but both Aline and Melody have been seen in all the bars as well.  Especially Aline.
Aline looks older in the bar pics too (than she does in that bed) IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on May 08, 2007, 09:59:19 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Didn't we hear that Joran was banned from one bar for having sex in the restroom with some local girl?

Does anyone remember who and what bar?

.

Club Bahia ? Aline Hibbert. Linda on the FP said it, I believe.
It was just after Fabienne went back to Holland and Joran stayed back in Aruba. She broke up with him shortly afterwards and he says something about Fab breaking up with him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 08, 2007, 09:59:37 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'M ON A LAPTOP AND IT MAKES ME THE TYPO QUEEN FOR SOME REASON! I"M SORRY!!!!  :oops:


blaming it on the laptop .....huh  :twisted:




 8)  :wink:


It's awful! I'm the typo princess without it, but this added "help" makes me high royalty!  :lol:

Does anyone else have a typo problem on a lappy?
(I've caught and corrected 2 in this post alone!)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 10:01:09 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'M ON A LAPTOP AND IT MAKES ME THE TYPO QUEEN FOR SOME REASON! I"M SORRY!!!!  :oops:


blaming it on the laptop .....huh  :twisted:




 8)  :wink:


It's awful! I'm the typo princess without it, but this added "help" makes me high royalty!  :lol:

Does anyone else have a typo problem on a lappy?
(I've caught and corrected 2 in this post alone!)


i know most people like em...but i hate em


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 10:02:23 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hi guys!

I wouldn't count too much on ages reported on my space and tickle. I caight my 14 and 12 year old neices listing their ages as 19 and 21.  :roll:


I know but both Aline and Melody have been seen in all the bars as well.  Especially Aline.


According to Joran's masterpiece of fantasy, you can get served in bars as soon as you can see over the bar.  Must be a dry argument for midgets


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 10:02:49 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Didn't we hear that Joran was banned from one bar for having sex in the restroom with some local girl?

Does anyone remember who and what bar?

.


Quote
Just posted by Linda, an Aruban, on the front page:

Hi Nychic..Kalpoes are also banned from C&C..but Joran also from Club Bahia..that means he probably didn’t behave himself..
I just don’t have time to post that much ..I’m really busy with my work..and 2 little kids..but will post if I hear something interesting..bye


Quote
Grande posted:

Regarding Club Baccarat that I referred to;

The club is listed under Hotel Baccarat. The club is on the first floor of a local hotel...No tourist stay there. 297-583-4483.

Parents of Aline Hibbert are registered owners from what I understand, although it is not listed in the commerce registry online.

I am hearing alot about Joran and Aline. Apparently they were romantically involved at the time of the pictures from Club Bahia, of which Joran is now blacklisted from.


This was all around August 22, 2006


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 10:03:44 PM
Thanks, that's as I remeber it as well.  

And yet the girls look about 13.   :roll:   I suspect these two are the only ones Anita could get to pose for the "sleepover."  

I guess older ones with some sense would run!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 10:03:55 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
Didn't we hear that Joran was banned from one bar for having sex in the restroom with some local girl?

Does anyone remember who and what bar?

.

That was the Bahia


something about sex in bar RESTROOM makes me SHIVER

GROSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
I agree and someone should smack him...(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranFaceswat.gif)[/img]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 10:08:03 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'M ON A LAPTOP AND IT MAKES ME THE TYPO QUEEN FOR SOME REASON! I"M SORRY!!!!  :oops:


blaming it on the laptop .....huh  :twisted:




 8)  :wink:


It's awful! I'm the typo princess without it, but this added "help" makes me high royalty!  :lol:

Does anyone else have a typo problem on a lappy?
(I've caught and corrected 2 in this post alone!)


I use only my laptop when I'm at home and don't have a problems, but my fingers also look like skeleton fingers, which probably makes a difference with the keyboard.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 10:08:50 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hi guys!

I wouldn't count too much on ages reported on my space and tickle. I caight my 14 and 12 year old neices listing their ages as 19 and 21.  :roll:


I know but both Aline and Melody have been seen in all the bars as well.  Especially Aline.


According to Joran's masterpiece of fantasy, you can get served in bars as soon as you can see over the bar.  Must be a dry argument for midgets
LMAO.. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 08, 2007, 10:14:02 PM
A nice clean cage...smells good in here.  


Da shoes! Da shoes!!  Oops!  I mean Shango! Shango!

Evening monkeys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 10:14:52 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
A nice clean cage...smells good in here.  


Da shoes! Da shoes!!  Oops!  I mean Shango! Shango!

Evening monkeys.


SEX SEX SEX  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: AZLady on May 08, 2007, 10:20:17 PM
Evening Monkeys.  So, since we can't talk about sh**s (or we eat bugs!), I guess we talk about s*x.  Sounds good to me.   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 10:21:41 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Evening Monkeys.  So, since we can't talk about sh**s (or we eat bugs!), I guess we talk about s*x.  Sounds good to me.   :lol:


If you say s*x around Lalas, she has to go get her ear muffs.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 10:22:36 PM
i like sex
i like shoes

but i really like sexy shoes

 8)  :lol:  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 10:27:47 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i like sex
i like shoes

but i really like sexy shoes

 8)  :lol:  :twisted:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :smooch


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: tidycat on May 08, 2007, 10:28:58 PM
o/t:  I'm embarrassed to ask, but CBB, are those candles in your sig line?   :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 10:30:10 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/pvdsfaceslap3.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 10:31:13 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/pvdsfaceslap3.gif)


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Good one! And on that note, I'm heading to the bunkey.

Night everyone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 10:31:16 PM
I posted on A Dutch web site that Joran is guilty, and that he did something to Natalee..... Here is the response I got
    Responses Elaine, if you this way certain weet that he is guilty, for which come outside you then not with the underlying facts to. Provisionally there are no lijk, no consent. Joran can be, however, suspicious, but that not yet means that he is guilty. Therefore if you what weet to solve this matter..........
the page is all Dutch... I translated the above so you could see what they said to me...this was the site http://josvanvliet.web-log.nl/josvanvliet/2007/04/laat_van_der_sl.html#comment-19220990


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 08, 2007, 10:31:54 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
Didn't we hear that Joran was banned from one bar for having sex in the restroom with some local girl?

Does anyone remember who and what bar?

.

That was the Bahia and it might have been with Aline.  I think it was right around the time when he was with that blonde girl staying at the Marriott.


That's where I remember, too.

He's pretty much an animal.

.



Where are the lessons he has supposedly learned? Once a sociopath always a sociopath, huh? If they don't pack him away in a cell he will only become emboldened and kill again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 10:31:56 PM
Pssssssst - Klaas   Need to adjust the date in your post above


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 10:32:12 PM
O/T - CBB , I figured out the white background problem.  If you  are creating frames in photoshop and save as a PSD, they will end up with a white background.  If you save as a GIF they won't.  I don't know why  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 10:33:03 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
I posted on A Dutch web site that Joran is guilty, and that he did something to Natalee..... Here is the response I got
    Responses Elaine, if you this way certain weet that he is guilty, for which come outside you then not with the underlying facts to. Provisionally there are no lijk, no consent. Joran can be, however, suspicious, but that not yet means that he is guilty. Therefore if you what weet to solve this matter..........
the page is all Dutch... I translated the above so you could see what they said to me...this was the site http://josvanvliet.web-log.nl/josvanvliet/2007/04/laat_van_der_sl.html#comment-19220990
They see him as "suspicious, but that doesn't mean he is guilty..umhmmmm :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 10:33:50 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Pssssssst - Klaas   Need to adjust the date in your post above

Thanks Tibro - August 2006, not 2007


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 08, 2007, 10:35:41 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Elaine"
I posted on A Dutch web site that Joran is guilty, and that he did something to Natalee..... Here is the response I got
    Responses Elaine, if you this way certain weet that he is guilty, for which come outside you then not with the underlying facts to. Provisionally there are no lijk, no consent. Joran can be, however, suspicious, but that not yet means that he is guilty. Therefore if you what weet to solve this matter..........
the page is all Dutch... I translated the above so you could see what they said to me...this was the site http://josvanvliet.web-log.nl/josvanvliet/2007/04/laat_van_der_sl.html#comment-19220990
They see him as "suspicious, but that doesn't mean he is guilty..umhmmmm :roll:



What does "weet" mean?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/pvdsfaceslap3.gif)
LMAO, I had to read back after I posted, and saw this now..ROFL :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 08, 2007, 10:37:01 PM
Great pic of Paulypuss Klaas.

Elaine, I honestly believe there are some people in this world who even if they witnessed him 'doing something bad' to Natalee or anyone else would still state he is not guilty but only suspicious.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 10:37:22 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "robots"
i like sex
i like shoes

but i really like sexy shoes

 8)  :lol:  :twisted:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :smooch



 8)  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 10:38:23 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Elaine"
I posted on A Dutch web site that Joran is guilty, and that he did something to Natalee..... Here is the response I got
    Responses Elaine, if you this way certain weet that he is guilty, for which come outside you then not with the underlying facts to. Provisionally there are no lijk, no consent. Joran can be, however, suspicious, but that not yet means that he is guilty. Therefore if you what weet to solve this matter..........
the page is all Dutch... I translated the above so you could see what they said to me...this was the site http://josvanvliet.web-log.nl/josvanvliet/2007/04/laat_van_der_sl.html#comment-19220990
They see him as "suspicious, but that doesn't mean he is guilty..umhmmmm :roll:



What does "weet" mean?
Babelfish helped me out there, so I am not sure, lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 08, 2007, 10:39:02 PM
So where are we tonight?  Did someone say sex?  I knew I needed those muffs.  

Hey Tibro, what the temp in Australia?  Is that right or should I be saying some other place, you don't really live on the continent do you?  I seem to have confused myself on that one. Help me out here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Great pic of Paulypuss Klaas.

Elaine, I honestly believe there are some people in this world who even if they witnessed him 'doing something bad' to Natalee or anyone else would still state he is not guilty but only suspicious.  :roll:
it is maddening


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 08, 2007, 10:41:47 PM
In his book so far Joran has told us:

1- He is a pathological liar.
2- He thinks he can deal with his lies better than a shrink.
3- He lies to his parents and sneaks out of the house.
4- He is underage and drinks whiskey and coke.
5- He is underage and likes to gamble.
6- He lies to tourist girls that he is a tourist.
7- He cheats on his girlfriends.
8- He expects his girlfriends to cheat on him.

Did I miss anything?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Buckeye on May 08, 2007, 10:43:30 PM
Was reading around on sociopaths and found this:

Sociopaths usually do not do well in psychotherapy and psychiatric care. The best way to manage psychopaths is through the criminal justice system which compels right behavior through external controls. On a personal level the best way to deal with sociopaths is with firm limits and refusal to cooperate with their schemes and manipulations. This may mean leaving or severely limiting the kind of relationship which you have with them.

Makes you wonder if the psychiatrist told Joran and his parents that the best place for him was jail.  Very controlled enviroment.  hmmmm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 08, 2007, 10:43:54 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Great pic of Paulypuss Klaas.

Elaine, I honestly believe there are some people in this world who even if they witnessed him 'doing something bad' to Natalee or anyone else would still state he is not guilty but only suspicious.  :roll:
it is maddening


The Dutch didn't get the story until deVries aired it a year and a half after Natalee disappeared. They have a lot of catching up to do.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Tiger on May 08, 2007, 10:44:06 PM
CBB,you looked great on Elton's back.It is simple,a bunch are guilty of several crimes,that's it.Friday night a couple teens gave my son a show in the portapotty,Compliments of Mishy(the rhyme)If the potty is rocking,don't come knocking.I don't want to know more and I do not need to be written up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 10:45:13 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
So where are we tonight?  Did someone say sex?  I knew I needed those muffs.  

Hey Tibro, what the temp in Australia?  Is that right or should I be saying some other place, you don't really live on the continent do you?  I seem to have confused myself on that one. Help me out here.


Near enough Lala's  :lol:  :lol:  I know what you mean.
Temp where I live is about 65 with sunny day and a  cold wind.
They are building on a new sub-division behind us and I am going to lose sight of "my" tree.  :cry:  First thing I could see as I looked out my back/laundry door, but not for much longer.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 10:52:03 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Great pic of Paulypuss Klaas.

Elaine, I honestly believe there are some people in this world who even if they witnessed him 'doing something bad' to Natalee or anyone else would still state he is not guilty but only suspicious.  :roll:
it is maddening


The Dutch didn't get the story until deVries aired it a year and a half after Natalee disappeared. They have a lot of catching up to do.
I am hoping he is not done with this story yet, DeVries


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 10:53:17 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Was reading around on sociopaths and found this:

Sociopaths usually do not do well in psychotherapy and psychiatric care. The best way to manage psychopaths is through the criminal justice system which compels right behavior through external controls. On a personal level the best way to deal with sociopaths is with firm limits and refusal to cooperate with their schemes and manipulations. This may mean leaving or severely limiting the kind of relationship which you have with them.

Makes you wonder if the psychiatrist told Joran and his parents that the best place for him was jail.  Very controlled enviroment.  hmmmm
If they didn't say it yet, they should.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 08, 2007, 10:53:23 PM
Tibro
Maybe you should just march over there and tell them that tree is yours and they will have to build around it so you can see.  I hate subdivisions because they are so crowded.  Don't think I could live in one.  I already live too close to my neighbors now.  I need my space.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 10:55:02 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
CBB,you looked great on Elton's back.It is simple,a bunch are guilty of several crimes,that's it.Friday night a couple teens gave my son a show in the portapotty,Compliments of Mishy(the rhyme)If the potty is rocking,don't come knocking.I don't want to know more and I do not need to be written up.
Hello Tiger! LOL, about "if the potty is rocking, don't come knocking" :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 10:56:15 PM
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/AVATARS/Mytree001.jpg)

Blocks are quite big here - not so crowded as in bigger cities.  Just looked out and they have framework of house up already  :evil:
Suppose eventually someone will chop down the tree anyway.  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 10:57:20 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/AVATARS/Mytree001.jpg)

Blocks are quite big here - not so crowded as in bigger cities.  Just looked out and they have framework of house up already  :evil:
Suppose eventually someone will chop down the tree anyway.  :evil:  :evil:
That is a large tree too


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2007, 10:58:22 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Elaine"
I posted on A Dutch web site that Joran is guilty, and that he did something to Natalee..... Here is the response I got
    Responses Elaine, if you this way certain weet that he is guilty, for which come outside you then not with the underlying facts to. Provisionally there are no lijk, no consent. Joran can be, however, suspicious, but that not yet means that he is guilty. Therefore if you what weet to solve this matter..........
the page is all Dutch... I translated the above so you could see what they said to me...this was the site http://josvanvliet.web-log.nl/josvanvliet/2007/04/laat_van_der_sl.html#comment-19220990
They see him as "suspicious, but that doesn't mean he is guilty..umhmmmm :roll:



What does "weet" mean?


 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Tylergal on May 08, 2007, 10:58:54 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hi guys!

I wouldn't count too much on ages reported on my space and tickle. I caight my 14 and 12 year old neices listing their ages as 19 and 21.  :roll:


I do think Melody was 19 when Natalee died.  She was older than Joran but was still in school.  I think she was counting on being Satish's medical partner. :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 08, 2007, 10:58:56 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Great pic of Paulypuss Klaas.

Elaine, I honestly believe there are some people in this world who even if they witnessed him 'doing something bad' to Natalee or anyone else would still state he is not guilty but only suspicious.  :roll:
it is maddening


The Dutch didn't get the story until deVries aired it a year and a half after Natalee disappeared. They have a lot of catching up to do.
I am hoping he is not done with this story yet, DeVries



Same here Elaine. last we heard deVries was going to be a follow-up. I hope Joran dog cussing him in his book gets him pizzed enough to do it. He probably knows a few more things by now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 11:01:57 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Elaine"
I posted on A Dutch web site that Joran is guilty, and that he did something to Natalee..... Here is the response I got
    Responses Elaine, if you this way certain weet that he is guilty, for which come outside you then not with the underlying facts to. Provisionally there are no lijk, no consent. Joran can be, however, suspicious, but that not yet means that he is guilty. Therefore if you what weet to solve this matter..........
the page is all Dutch... I translated the above so you could see what they said to me...this was the site http://josvanvliet.web-log.nl/josvanvliet/2007/04/laat_van_der_sl.html#comment-19220990
They see him as "suspicious, but that doesn't mean he is guilty..umhmmmm :roll:



What does "weet" mean?


 :lol:
I do not know what weet means, however I am taking it that they didn't appreciate my remarks, oh well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 11:03:36 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/AVATARS/Mytree001.jpg)

Blocks are quite big here - not so crowded as in bigger cities.  Just looked out and they have framework of house up already  :evil:
Suppose eventually someone will chop down the tree anyway.  :evil:  :evil:
That is a large tree too


Yes it is a fair way away, Elaine and is a typical gum tree.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 08, 2007, 11:04:21 PM
IMO Joran is thumbing his nose at any type of authority.
He ruled the roost at the Sloot dump as well as his momma & poppa.
They gave into his every whim & whimper. In my neck of the woods we call this a SPOILED BRAT.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
IMO Joran is thumbing his nose at any type of authority.
He ruled the roost at the Sloot dump as well as his momma & poppa.
They gave into his every whim & whimper. In my neck of the woods we call this a SPOILED BRAT.

Even when he got out of jail he still ruled.  He is the one who insisted that they go to New York.  What idiot of a parent who knows their son is a murderer and caused all their trouble for their family listens to him again and they got into trouble again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 11:09:12 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/AVATARS/Mytree001.jpg)

Blocks are quite big here - not so crowded as in bigger cities.  Just looked out and they have framework of house up already  :evil:
Suppose eventually someone will chop down the tree anyway.  :evil:  :evil:
That is a large tree too


Yes it is a fair way away, Elaine and is a typical gum tree.
The tree is lovely too. :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 11:09:44 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
IMO Joran is thumbing his nose at any type of authority.
He ruled the roost at the Sloot dump as well as his momma & poppa.
They gave into his every whim & whimper. In my neck of the woods we call this a SPOILED BRAT.

Even when he got out of jail he still ruled.  He is the one who insisted that they go to New York.  What idiot of a parent who knows their son is a murderer and caused all their trouble for their family listens to him again and they got into trouble again.


From all reports he ruled the roost in jail as well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 11:10:37 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
IMO Joran is thumbing his nose at any type of authority.
He ruled the roost at the Sloot dump as well as his momma & poppa.
They gave into his every whim & whimper. In my neck of the woods we call this a SPOILED BRAT.

Even when he got out of jail he still ruled.  He is the one who insisted that they go to New York.  What idiot of a parent who knows their son is a murderer and caused all their trouble for their family listens to him again and they got into trouble again.
Makes one wonder how they know what to do without him around..lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 11:11:19 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
IMO Joran is thumbing his nose at any type of authority.
He ruled the roost at the Sloot dump as well as his momma & poppa.
They gave into his every whim & whimper. In my neck of the woods we call this a SPOILED BRAT.

Even when he got out of jail he still ruled.  He is the one who insisted that they go to New York.  What idiot of a parent who knows their son is a murderer and caused all their trouble for their family listens to him again and they got into trouble again.


From all reports he ruled the roost in jail as well.

You are right Tibro.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 11:11:59 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
IMO Joran is thumbing his nose at any type of authority.
He ruled the roost at the Sloot dump as well as his momma & poppa.
They gave into his every whim & whimper. In my neck of the woods we call this a SPOILED BRAT.

Even when he got out of jail he still ruled.  He is the one who insisted that they go to New York.  What idiot of a parent who knows their son is a murderer and caused all their trouble for their family listens to him again and they got into trouble again.
Makes one wonder how they know what to do without him around..lol

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 08, 2007, 11:12:00 PM
Tibro, he ruled in jail until he kicked the wrong guy while playing soccer. The "little guy" proceeded to black his eye.
My Daddy always said dynamite comes in small packages.   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 08, 2007, 11:12:14 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
IMO Joran is thumbing his nose at any type of authority.
He ruled the roost at the Sloot dump as well as his momma & poppa.
They gave into his every whim & whimper. In my neck of the woods we call this a SPOILED BRAT.

Even when he got out of jail he still ruled.  He is the one who insisted that they go to New York.  What idiot of a parent who knows their son is a murderer and caused all their trouble for their family listens to him again and they got into trouble again.



Before he went to New York 70% of people polled thought he had something to do with her disappearance. After his interviews 87% thought he killed her. Keep talking Joran.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 11:12:52 PM
Joran has become a manipulator that is for sure. Manipulate parents for control, manipulate friends for rides, manipulate girls for sex and so on.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 11:13:17 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Tibro, he ruled in jail until he kicked the wrong guy while playing soccer. The "little guy" proceeded to black his eye.
My Daddy always said dynamite comes in small packages.   :lol:

 :lol:  :lol: I never heard that one before.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 08, 2007, 11:17:44 PM
Hugging Nemo early tonight.  I need more rest...I may be getting old...I plan on dreaming of gum trees tonight.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 11:18:05 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Evening Monkeys.  So, since we can't talk about sh**s (or we eat bugs!), I guess we talk about s*x.  Sounds good to me.   :lol:


If you say s*x around Lalas, she has to go get her ear muffs.  :lol:


   :lol:  :lol:
 fell behind.,,,  catch up eventually.. hoep not to skeer anyone away..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 11:19:54 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Hugging Nemo early tonight.  I need more rest...I may be getting old...I plan on dreaming of gum trees tonight.
Goodnight Lalas!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 11:22:00 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Hugging Nemo early tonight.  I need more rest...I may be getting old...I plan on dreaming of gum trees tonight.

 Night Lalas..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 11:22:26 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Joran has become a manipulator that is for sure. Manipulate parents for control, manipulate friends for rides, manipulate girls for sex and so on.
I forgot to say, I would bet he is pissed that he can not manipulate the Monkeys!!   Hey Joran...this is for you...
    (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j191/meerlyhere/CASSY6B2.gif)[/list]


    Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
    Post by: justinsmama on May 08, 2007, 11:23:17 PM
    Quote from: "Elaine"
    Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
    Quote from: "Dayhiker"
    Quote from: "Elaine"
    Quote from: "Elaine"
    I posted on A Dutch web site that Joran is guilty, and that he did something to Natalee..... Here is the response I got
      Responses Elaine, if you this way certain weet that he is guilty, for which come outside you then not with the underlying facts to. Provisionally there are no lijk, no consent. Joran can be, however, suspicious, but that not yet means that he is guilty. Therefore if you what weet to solve this matter..........
    the page is all Dutch... I translated the above so you could see what they said to me...this was the site http://josvanvliet.web-log.nl/josvanvliet/2007/04/laat_van_der_sl.html#comment-19220990
    They see him as "suspicious, but that doesn't mean he is guilty..umhmmmm :roll:



    What does "weet" mean?


     :lol:
    I do not know what weet means, however I am taking it that they didn't appreciate my remarks, oh well.

    I doubt the responder has anywhere near the info on the case that you have, Elaine. He/she can weet it out his/her nose.


    Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
    Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 11:23:21 PM
    Pant.. Pant...
    Boy you guys have been a posting tonight... :lol:

    IF you were woke up the police, discoverd your son was not home, taken to a casino and back  and had police andBeth & company in your face...

    Are you going to talk to your son & friend and ask iwhat they had learned and his room (on his ground)?

    Oh Hi monkeys


    Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
    Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 11:24:37 PM
    Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
    Hugging Nemo early tonight.  I need more rest...I may be getting old...I plan on dreaming of gum trees tonight.


    GUM Trees   vs  Sexy Footwear  :shock:    :lol:


    Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
    Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 11:26:56 PM
    Quote from: "Elaine"
    Quote from: "Elaine"
    Joran has become a manipulator that is for sure. Manipulate parents for control, manipulate friends for rides, manipulate girls for sex and so on.
    I forgot to say, I would bet he is pissed that he can not manipulate the Monkeys!!   Hey Joran...this is for you...
      (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j191/meerlyhere/CASSY6B2.gif)[/list]

       ROFLMAO.. OMG I can recall dancing at my daughters wedding to that song.. and my brother was near me and a friend of mine at the time I used to work with... He was singing and chagning the words to the siong. and I was too cause my EAX hubby was there.. LMAO   Its  on video.. but you cant hear my brother nor I. THANK GOD!   Elaine.. TY.. I needed a laugh..


      Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
      Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 11:27:36 PM
      Quote from: "justinsmama"
      I doubt the responder has anywhere near the info on the case that you have, Elaine. He/she can weet it out his/her nose.
      Weet it out his/her nose.. :smt043 lol


      Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
      Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 11:28:42 PM
      Klaasend

      I wonder  what Julia and the fly swatter look like?  any improvement


      Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
      Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 11:29:48 PM
      Quote from: "oldfart"
      Klaasend

      I wonder  what Julia and the fly swatter look like?  any improvement


       :lol:  :lol:


      Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
      Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 11:29:55 PM
      i have a couple of friends, not too many because most people do not like robots but even my best friends would not come out at 2 3 in the morning
      and cart me all over the place for picking up girls

      because they would say, "im your friend not your personal TAXI DRIVER

      now, when you need a kidney call me"



      it was a LOAD of crap from all of em.. that K2 would rop everything to JUST GO PICK up the SLOOT BAG OF BULL


      Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
      Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 11:30:49 PM
      Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
      Quote from: "Elaine"
      Quote from: "Elaine"
      Joran has become a manipulator that is for sure. Manipulate parents for control, manipulate friends for rides, manipulate girls for sex and so on.
      I forgot to say, I would bet he is pissed that he can not manipulate the Monkeys!!   Hey Joran...this is for you...
        (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j191/meerlyhere/CASSY6B2.gif)[/list]

         ROFLMAO.. OMG I can recall dancing at my daughters wedding to that song.. and my brother was near me and a friend of mine at the time I used to work with... He was singing and chagning the words to the siong. and I was too cause my EAX hubby was there.. LMAO   Its  on video.. but you cant hear my brother nor I. THANK GOD!   Elaine.. TY.. I needed a laugh..
        YW, lol.... Angie, the ex-hubby yikes.  How is your daughter doing. happily married I hope?


        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
        Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 11:32:27 PM
        Quote from: "robots"
        i have a couple of friends, not too many because most people do not like robots but even my best friends would not come out at 2 3 in the morning
        and cart me all over the place for picking up girls

        because they would say, "im your friend not your personal TAXI DRIVER

        now, when you need a kidney call me"



        it was a LOAD of crap from all of em.. that K2 would rop everything to JUST GO PICK up the SLOOT BAG OF BULL


        No Robots
        Deepak loved to do it..  Made him feel part of the "IN  Group"
        and one way he could get close to good looking girls


        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
        Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 11:33:48 PM
        Quote from: "oldfart"
        Quote from: "robots"
        i have a couple of friends, not too many because most people do not like robots but even my best friends would not come out at 2 3 in the morning
        and cart me all over the place for picking up girls

        because they would say, "im your friend not your personal TAXI DRIVER

        now, when you need a kidney call me"



        it was a LOAD of crap from all of em.. that K2 would rop everything to JUST GO PICK up the SLOOT BAG OF BULL


        No Robots
        Deepak loved to do it..  Made him feel part of the "IN  Group"
        and one way he could get close to good looking girls



        well yes,, because there was something in it for him

        but he wasnt doing anything for free...know what i mean  :wink:


        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
        Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 11:34:06 PM
        Quote from: "oldfart"
        Pant.. Pant...
        Boy you guys have been a posting tonight... :lol:

        IF you were woke up the police, discoverd your son was not home, taken to a casino and back  and had police andBeth & company in your face...

        Are you going to talk to your son & friend and ask iwhat they had learned and his room (on his ground)?

        Oh Hi monkeys
        Hi OF! Sometimes I wonder if Joran wasn't really at home the whole time, and Paulus got into the police car to lead them away? Maybe he was away but I wonder.


        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
        Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 11:35:14 PM
        Quote from: "Elaine"
        Quote from: "oldfart"
        Pant.. Pant...
        Boy you guys have been a posting tonight... :lol:

        IF you were woke up the police, discoverd your son was not home, taken to a casino and back  and had police andBeth & company in your face...

        Are you going to talk to your son & friend and ask iwhat they had learned and his room (on his ground)?

        Oh Hi monkeys
        Hi OF! Sometimes I wonder if Joran wasn't really at home the whole time, and Paulus got into the police car to lead them away? Maybe he was away but I wonder.

        Exactly Elaine.  He was at home with Deepak and someone else.


        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
        Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 11:35:57 PM
        Quote from: "San"
        Quote from: "Elaine"
        Quote from: "oldfart"
        Pant.. Pant...
        Boy you guys have been a posting tonight... :lol:

        IF you were woke up the police, discoverd your son was not home, taken to a casino and back  and had police andBeth & company in your face...

        Are you going to talk to your son & friend and ask iwhat they had learned and his room (on his ground)?

        Oh Hi monkeys
        Hi OF! Sometimes I wonder if Joran wasn't really at home the whole time, and Paulus got into the police car to lead them away? Maybe he was away but I wonder.

        Exactly Elaine.  He was at home with Deepak and someone else.

        I want to add that the someone else was Freddy.

        Deepak:  "Freddy needs to tell the truth".


        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
        Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 11:39:42 PM
        Quote from: "San"
        Quote from: "San"
        Quote from: "Elaine"
        Quote from: "oldfart"
        Pant.. Pant...
        Boy you guys have been a posting tonight... :lol:

        IF you were woke up the police, discoverd your son was not home, taken to a casino and back  and had police andBeth & company in your face...

        Are you going to talk to your son & friend and ask iwhat they had learned and his room (on his ground)?

        Oh Hi monkeys
        Hi OF! Sometimes I wonder if Joran wasn't really at home the whole time, and Paulus got into the police car to lead them away? Maybe he was away but I wonder.

        Exactly Elaine.  He was at home with Deepak and someone else.

        I want to add that the someone else was Freddy.

        Deepak:  "Freddy needs to tell the truth".
        Unfortunately, for whatever reason, Freddy will never tell the truth. I guess they (VDS) have all kinds of shit on him too.


        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
        Post by: AZLady on May 08, 2007, 11:39:48 PM
        You know, the psychiatrist saw Joran only 5 times.  That is not treatment for anything.  Five visits to a psychiatrist are either court-ordered or for diagnosis of a problem.  A psychiatrist cannot diagnose and treat a patient in only five sessions!   My guess is that the five visits were court-ordered.  Most likely, as in the US, juvenile court records are sealed and not publicly available so we would not be able to find out if Joran did something that brought him in front of the law and he was ordered to five psychiatric visits, most likely for evaluation.  Don't we have a mental health professional here who would know more about this?


        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
        Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 11:39:55 PM
        Quote from: "Elaine"
        Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
        Quote from: "Elaine"
        Quote from: "Elaine"
        Joran has become a manipulator that is for sure. Manipulate parents for control, manipulate friends for rides, manipulate girls for sex and so on.
        I forgot to say, I would bet he is pissed that he can not manipulate the Monkeys!!   Hey Joran...this is for you...
          (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j191/meerlyhere/CASSY6B2.gif)[/list]

           ROFLMAO.. OMG I can recall dancing at my daughters wedding to that song.. and my brother was near me and a friend of mine at the time I used to work with... He was singing and chagning the words to the siong. and I was too cause my EAX hubby was there.. LMAO   Its  on video.. but you cant hear my brother nor I. THANK GOD!   Elaine.. TY.. I needed a laugh..
          YW, lol.... Angie, the ex-hubby yikes.  How is your daughter doing. happily married I hope?


           Her and her hubby  are very happy. I am happy for the both of them, it will be a year already in August,...They make the perfect pair.  I hope she dont take aftter me in failed marriages. :(
           Oh and yes the Ex was there. her dad and his new wifey..  we got along well.. at least that day   :roll:  :roll:  I behaved myself. he actully asked me to go walk with him..  I did .. he showed me a pic om a collge I had made. laughed about it..  then took me up to the bar to drink a shot.. :roll:  :roll:  and he said heres to our daughter.. I said YEs here is to MY daughter I raised since she was 2 years old.. no thanks to you.. :twisted:  Meany I am ...


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 11:41:01 PM
          Quote from: "Elaine"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Elaine"
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Pant.. Pant...
          Boy you guys have been a posting tonight... :lol:

          IF you were woke up the police, discoverd your son was not home, taken to a casino and back  and had police andBeth & company in your face...

          Are you going to talk to your son & friend and ask iwhat they had learned and his room (on his ground)?

          Oh Hi monkeys
          Hi OF! Sometimes I wonder if Joran wasn't really at home the whole time, and Paulus got into the police car to lead them away? Maybe he was away but I wonder.

          Exactly Elaine.  He was at home with Deepak and someone else.

          I want to add that the someone else was Freddy.

          Deepak:  "Freddy needs to tell the truth".
          Unfortunately, for whatever reason, Freddy will never tell the truth. I guess they (VDS) have all kinds of shit on him too.

          He will never tell the truth because he is involved in what happened to Natalee.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 11:41:22 PM
          Quote from: "Elaine"
          Oh Hi monkeys
          Hi OF! Sometimes I wonder if Joran wasn't really at home the whole time, and Paulus got into the police car to lead them away? Maybe he was away but I wonder.[/quote]

          Nope... he was at various casinos... (illegally) lots of cameras & people
          that he knew to verify that he was there.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 11:44:34 PM
          Boy I messed that Quote up  :oops:

          BTW..  OffTopic

          I'm going to be a G-Paw again in December...
          Feeling older & older


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 11:47:09 PM
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Boy I messed that Quote up  :oops:

          BTW..  OffTopic

          I'm going to be a G-Paw again in December...
          Feeling older & older

           :)  Congrats Oldfart!!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: jobie on May 08, 2007, 11:47:15 PM
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
          Hi guys!

          I wouldn't count too much on ages reported on my space and tickle. I caight my 14 and 12 year old neices listing their ages as 19 and 21.  :roll:


          I do think Melody was 19 when Natalee died.  She was older than Joran but was still in school.  I think she was counting on being Satish's medical partner. :cry:


          :D  :D


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 11:47:41 PM
          I know we discussed this once before but I will say it again.  I believe Paulus led everyone on a wild goose chase the night Beth arrived so whoever was at his home that night had time to sneak away without anyone seeing them.  No way no how was Joran with Deepak alone.  They are too stupid and Paulus would have never left them alone together because he is not only covering Joran ass he is covering for himself.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 11:48:03 PM
          How many people do you know ..
          Where their children refer to them by thier 1st Name? (not counting step children)

          Just Wondering?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: AZLady on May 08, 2007, 11:48:14 PM
          Congrats, OF.  There's nothing like kids to keep a person young!   :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 11:49:21 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
           Her and her hubby  are very happy. I am happy for the both of them, it will be a year already in August,...They make the perfect pair.  I hope she dont take aftter me in failed marriages. :(
           Oh and yes the Ex was there. her dad and his new wifey..  we got along well.. at least that day   :roll:  :roll:  I behaved myself. he actully asked me to go walk with him..  I did .. he showed me a pic om a collge I had made. laughed about it..  then took me up to the bar to drink a shot.. :roll:  :roll:  and he said heres to our daughter.. I said YEs here is to MY daughter I raised since she was 2 years old.. no thanks to you.. :twisted:  Meany I am ...
          Angie, I am glad to hear they are happy! I remember when you were getting excited about the wedding. And a year already in August wow! Unreal how time goes by, and yet nothing new in this damned case!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: AZLady on May 08, 2007, 11:50:11 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          I know we discussed this once before but I will say it again.  I believe Paulus led everyone on a wild goose chase the night Beth arrived so whoever was at his home that night had time to sneak away without anyone seeing them.  No way no how was Joran with Deepak alone.  They are too stupid and Paulus would have never left them alone together because he is not only covering Joran ass he is covering for himself.

          I agree, San.  Deepak's car was within the gate.  That means Deepak was there.  If Deepak was there, so was Joran.  Paulus led everyone away from the house so Joran and Deepak could finish up what they were doing, move the car outside the gate to the front, and be there when they returned from their casino chase.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 11:50:14 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          I know we discussed this once before but I will say it again.  I believe Paulus led everyone on a wild goose chase the night Beth arrived so whoever was at his home that night had time to sneak away without anyone seeing them.  No way no how was Joran with Deepak alone.  They are too stupid and Paulus would have never left them alone together because he is not only covering Joran ass he is covering for himself.


          SAN..
          What better way to cover someone that have them in public places when Chit is going down...else where?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 11:50:57 PM
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Boy I messed that Quote up  :oops:

          BTW..  OffTopic

          I'm going to be a G-Paw again in December...
          Feeling older & older

          OF I am feeling a little dizzy today and you just made me more dizzy trying to read your post :lol:

          Congratulations.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: AZLady on May 08, 2007, 11:51:07 PM
          And, San, that means the coverup began that very night when Paulus took them on a wild goose chase while Deepak and Joran cleaned up the evidence.  COVERUP!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: wreck on May 08, 2007, 11:51:15 PM
          Quote from: "jobie"
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
          Hi guys!

          I wouldn't count too much on ages reported on my space and tickle. I caight my 14 and 12 year old neices listing their ages as 19 and 21.  :roll:


          I do think Melody was 19 when Natalee died.  She was older than Joran but was still in school.  I think she was counting on being Satish's medical partner. :cry:


          :D  :D


          By the way, did Satish finally ever make it out of High School?????  :shock:  :D  :wink:  12th grade was the hardest 5 years of his life!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 11:52:02 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          I know we discussed this once before but I will say it again.  I believe Paulus led everyone on a wild goose chase the night Beth arrived so whoever was at his home that night had time to sneak away without anyone seeing them.  No way no how was Joran with Deepak alone.  They are too stupid and Paulus would have never left them alone together because he is not only covering Joran ass he is covering for himself.

          Yep


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 11:52:03 PM
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Boy I messed that Quote up  :oops:

          BTW..  OffTopic

          I'm going to be a G-Paw again in December...
          Feeling older & older
          Congratulations !! I hope I have grandbabies someday!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 11:54:02 PM
          Quote from: "AZLady"
          Quote from: "San"
          I know we discussed this once before but I will say it again.  I believe Paulus led everyone on a wild goose chase the night Beth arrived so whoever was at his home that night had time to sneak away without anyone seeing them.  No way no how was Joran with Deepak alone.  They are too stupid and Paulus would have never left them alone together because he is not only covering Joran ass he is covering for himself.

          I agree, San.  Deepak's car was within the gate.  That means Deepak was there.  If Deepak was there, so was Joran.  Paulus led everyone away from the house so Joran and Deepak could finish up what they were doing, move the car outside the gate to the front, and be there when they returned from their casino chase.


          AZLady
          If they are yours ... Yes they MAKE you stay young..  
          A guy at work is 52 and and has a 3 & 5 yr olds :shock:

          What time did Charle Croes and ??? see the car.. and is there anything in the Deepak's about going to the Sloots?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 11:54:20 PM
          Quote from: "Elaine"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
           Her and her hubby  are very happy. I am happy for the both of them, it will be a year already in August,...They make the perfect pair.  I hope she dont take aftter me in failed marriages. :(
           Oh and yes the Ex was there. her dad and his new wifey..  we got along well.. at least that day   :roll:  :roll:  I behaved myself. he actully asked me to go walk with him..  I did .. he showed me a pic om a collge I had made. laughed about it..  then took me up to the bar to drink a shot.. :roll:  :roll:  and he said heres to our daughter.. I said YEs here is to MY daughter I raised since she was 2 years old.. no thanks to you.. :twisted:  Meany I am ...
          Angie, I am glad to hear they are happy! I remember when you were getting excited about the wedding. And a year already in August wow! Unreal how time goes by, and yet nothing new in this damned case!


            Pityful


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 11:55:43 PM
          Quote from: "wreck"
          Quote from: "jobie"
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
          Hi guys!

          I wouldn't count too much on ages reported on my space and tickle. I caight my 14 and 12 year old neices listing their ages as 19 and 21.  :roll:


          I do think Melody was 19 when Natalee died.  She was older than Joran but was still in school.  I think she was counting on being Satish's medical partner. :cry:


          :D  :D


          By the way, did Satish finally ever make it out of High School?????  :shock:  :D  :wink:  12th grade was the hardest 5 years of his life!
          LOL  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 11:56:34 PM
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Quote from: "San"
          I know we discussed this once before but I will say it again.  I believe Paulus led everyone on a wild goose chase the night Beth arrived so whoever was at his home that night had time to sneak away without anyone seeing them.  No way no how was Joran with Deepak alone.  They are too stupid and Paulus would have never left them alone together because he is not only covering Joran ass he is covering for himself.


          SAN..
          What better way to cover someone that have them in public places when Chit is going down...else where?


          I just feel Paulus knows Joran has a big mouth and he is not going to risk himself getting caught.  Let's remember Joran did not got to school.  Could you imagine Paulus sending that nut job to school and yapping all over the place what happened that night when no one even knew Natalee was missing yet.  Too risky because Joran and his big mouth is a walking time bomb.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: AZLady on May 08, 2007, 11:57:02 PM
          I'm going from memory now, so this might be off a bit, but I think Beth and Jug arrived on the island around 10 PM, went to the Holiday Inn, then met C Croes and went to the police station and finally the PVDS house.  I believe C Croes' young friend saw Deepak's car at the PVDS' house sometime between 11 PM and 2 AM.  I'd need to look up the timeline to be sure.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 11:59:22 PM
          Quote from: "AZLady"
          And, San, that means the coverup began that very night when Paulus took them on a wild goose chase while Deepak and Joran cleaned up the evidence.  COVERUP!!

          AZLady the coverup began once the Joran and Paulus killed Natalee.  Paulus immediately made phone calls to his buddies in the government and said this is the deal.

          This is why we haven't seen true phone records and we will never see Paulus phone record.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 12:01:28 AM
          Quote from: "AZLady"
          I'm going from memory now, so this might be off a bit, but I think Beth and Jug arrived on the island around 10 PM, went to the Holiday Inn, then met C Croes and went to the police station and finally the PVDS house.  I believe C Croes' young friend saw Deepak's car at the PVDS' house sometime between 11 PM and 2 AM.  I'd need to look up the timeline to be sure.


          I asked because it seems that someones (Andr???) stated that Deepak was  going to run Joran home for ??   Yet I do not remember Deepak ever saying that he took Joarn home and then returned to the casinos on Thuesday (31st) early morning.
          Of course the ALE.. may have missed that or it was in a statement we do not have from July- Aug - Sept ... etc :twisted:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 09, 2007, 12:02:10 AM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "AZLady"
          And, San, that means the coverup began that very night when Paulus took them on a wild goose chase while Deepak and Joran cleaned up the evidence.  COVERUP!!

          AZLady the coverup began once the Joran and Paulus killed Natalee.  Paulus immediately made phone calls to his buddies in the government and said this is the deal.

          This is why we haven't seen true phone records and we will never see Paulus phone record.
          San, it is amazing how they just happened to lose the landline phone records, isn't it?!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 12:03:58 AM
          Quote from: "Elaine"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "AZLady"
          And, San, that means the coverup began that very night when Paulus took them on a wild goose chase while Deepak and Joran cleaned up the evidence.  COVERUP!!

          AZLady the coverup began once the Joran and Paulus killed Natalee.  Paulus immediately made phone calls to his buddies in the government and said this is the deal.

          This is why we haven't seen true phone records and we will never see Paulus phone record.
          San, it is amazing how they just happened to lose the landline phone records, isn't it?!!

          Yes it is Elaine.  But who knows maybe something will pop up and shock the world.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 12:06:09 AM
          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RenfroSwat.gif)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 12:06:30 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RenfroSwat.gif)

           :lol:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 12:06:48 AM
          Where is Metro ???

          Phone records may not be in the case file... but I'm betting the company has to maintain them for 3-5 years.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 12:07:52 AM
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Where is Metro ???

          Phone records may not be in the case file... but I'm betting the company has to maintain them for 3-5 years.

          OF from what was discussed Nelson Odubor owns the company.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 12:09:45 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RenfroSwat.gif)
          :smt038  :smt023  :smt046

          I was right for once... NO Improvement  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 09, 2007, 12:10:05 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RenfroSwat.gif)
          Klaas, This is my favorite Yet!! ROFLMAO! Bigtime here... :smt043  :smt044  :smt044


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 12:11:12 AM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Where is Metro ???

          Phone records may not be in the case file... but I'm betting the company has to maintain them for 3-5 years.

          OF from what was discussed Nelson Odubor owns the company.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong.


          Then the company may have lost them.... :shock:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tylergal on May 09, 2007, 12:11:50 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RenfroSwat.gif)


          Wow, what an improvement  Maybe Klass, you have a new profession, fixing the faces of Aurbans who are warped from lying, and you know, Greta has that same disease.  Even with surgery, her mouth still looks like a torn shirt pocket.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: yapperz1 on May 09, 2007, 12:15:02 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RenfroSwat.gif)


          Klaas I must say this is a HUGE Improvement for Renho. It spreads her wrinkled skin out   :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 12:16:11 AM
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RenfroSwat.gif)


          Wow, what an improvement  Maybe Klass, you have a new profession, fixing the faces of Aurbans who are warped from lying, and you know, Greta has that same disease.  Even with surgery, her mouth still looks like a torn shirt pocket.


          Tyler
          I hate to disagree.... BUT
          Still Coyote Fugly     JMO  of course


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: LouiseVargas on May 09, 2007, 12:16:56 AM
          Sorry to barge in -

          Hollywood Hills On Fire

          We have enormous fires burning in Griffith Park that have spread more than quickly. Griffith Park is the largest urban park in the US. It is mountainous. We had no rain, everything is extra dry and crispy. First I heard the area near the LA Zoo. They evacuated people from the zoo and I heard they are taking the animals away. Next I hear the fire is at the Greek Theater, a concert venue. Next I hear the Hollywood sign is burning and last the Mulholland Dam. I keep going outside to see if I can see or smell anything but I can't. There are beautiful homes up there, old money.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 09, 2007, 12:17:25 AM
          Quote from: "Elaine"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RenfroSwat.gif)
          Klaas, This is my favorite Yet!! ROFLMAO! Bigtime here... :smt043  :smt044  :smt044
          Monkeys, I am still cracking up over this one! I literally had to go out on my porch to breathe... hysterical!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: yapperz1 on May 09, 2007, 12:17:58 AM
          OF congrats on becoming a Grandpa again.

          I am going to be a Grandma for the 1st time in Oct.   8)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 12:19:15 AM
          Quote from: "LouiseVargas"
          Sorry to barge in -

          Hollywood Hills On Fire

          We have enormous fires burning in Griffith Park that have spread more than quickly. Griffith Park is the largest urban park in the US. It is mountainous. We had no rain, everything is extra dry and crispy. First I heard the area near the LA Zoo. They evacuated people from the zoo and I heard they are taking the animals away. Next I hear the fire is at the Greek Theater, a concert venue. Next I hear the Hollywood sign is burning and last the Mulholland Dam. I keep going outside to see if I can see or smell anything but I can't. There are beautiful homes up there, old money.


          Louise - are you safe?  How far from Griffith Park are you?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 12:19:27 AM
          Quote from: "LouiseVargas"
          Sorry to barge in -

          Hollywood Hills On Fire

          We have enormous fires burning in Griffith Park that have spread more than quickly. Griffith Park is the largest urban park in the US. It is mountainous. We had no rain, everything is extra dry and crispy. First I heard the area near the LA Zoo. They evacuated people from the zoo and I heard they are taking the animals away. Next I hear the fire is at the Greek Theater, a concert venue. Next I hear the Hollywood sign is burning and last the Mulholland Dam. I keep going outside to see if I can see or smell anything but I can't. There are beautiful homes up there, old money.


          Louise
          I hope you are in a safe area if not GET Out...


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 12:20:31 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "LouiseVargas"
          Sorry to barge in -

          Hollywood Hills On Fire

          We have enormous fires burning in Griffith Park that have spread more than quickly. Griffith Park is the largest urban park in the US. It is mountainous. We had no rain, everything is extra dry and crispy. First I heard the area near the LA Zoo. They evacuated people from the zoo and I heard they are taking the animals away. Next I hear the fire is at the Greek Theater, a concert venue. Next I hear the Hollywood sign is burning and last the Mulholland Dam. I keep going outside to see if I can see or smell anything but I can't. There are beautiful homes up there, old money.


          Louise - are you safe?  How far from Griffith Park are you?


          LOUISE - Read here...updated information:

          http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/breakingnews/


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 09, 2007, 12:21:31 AM
          Quote from: "LouiseVargas"
          Sorry to barge in -

          Hollywood Hills On Fire

          We have enormous fires burning in Griffith Park that have spread more than quickly. Griffith Park is the largest urban park in the US. It is mountainous. We had no rain, everything is extra dry and crispy. First I heard the area near the LA Zoo. They evacuated people from the zoo and I heard they are taking the animals away. Next I hear the fire is at the Greek Theater, a concert venue. Next I hear the Hollywood sign is burning and last the Mulholland Dam. I keep going outside to see if I can see or smell anything but I can't. There are beautiful homes up there, old money.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 09, 2007, 12:22:17 AM
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Quote from: "LouiseVargas"
          Sorry to barge in -

          Hollywood Hills On Fire

          We have enormous fires burning in Griffith Park that have spread more than quickly. Griffith Park is the largest urban park in the US. It is mountainous. We had no rain, everything is extra dry and crispy. First I heard the area near the LA Zoo. They evacuated people from the zoo and I heard they are taking the animals away. Next I hear the fire is at the Greek Theater, a concert venue. Next I hear the Hollywood sign is burning and last the Mulholland Dam. I keep going outside to see if I can see or smell anything but I can't. There are beautiful homes up there, old money.


          Louise
          I hope you are in a safe area if not GET Out...
          I agree!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kat_Gram on May 09, 2007, 12:23:11 AM
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Quote from: "AZLady"
          I'm going from memory now, so this might be off a bit, but I think Beth and Jug arrived on the island around 10 PM, went to the Holiday Inn, then met C Croes and went to the police station and finally the PVDS house.  I believe C Croes' young friend saw Deepak's car at the PVDS' house sometime between 11 PM and 2 AM.  I'd need to look up the timeline to be sure.


          I asked because it seems that someones (Andr???) stated that Deepak was  going to run Joran home for ??   Yet I do not remember Deepak ever saying that he took Joarn home and then returned to the casinos on Thuesday (31st) early morning.
          Of course the ALE.. may have missed that or it was in a statement we do not have from July- Aug - Sept ... etc :twisted:

          I am from memory here too, but there was a period of time when Guido went back to Joran's to get some money with Joran. It's is in Andre  Santos's statement.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: crazybabyborg on May 09, 2007, 12:24:26 AM
          I'm back and caught up!

          Louise........BE SAFE!

          Klaas, I knew you'd figure it out! Thank you so much! Save as gif. I'll remember that!

          For whoever asked: no those are police lights that I use to alert monkeys that Klaas or I will fix an avatar for them if they want.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 12:24:49 AM
          Quote from: "yapperz1"
          OF congrats on becoming a Grandpa again.

          I am going to be a Grandma for the 1st time in Oct.   8)


          Congrats  Yapperz
          Do you remember how to change diapers and the Smell  :shock:
          1st time I held my Grandson  I forgot how too...   :oops:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: yapperz1 on May 09, 2007, 12:25:54 AM
          Yep I do remember both very well OF
          I think it is burned into my brain for eternity   :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 12:29:21 AM
          Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
          I'm back and caught up!

          Louise........BE SAFE!

          Klaas, I knew you'd figure it out! Thank you so much! Save as gif. I'll remember that!

          For whoever asked: no those are police lights that I use to alert monkeys that Klaas or I will fix an avatar for them if they want.


          Neighbors video from 2:00am some past Friday night  after they called the police about..you  Talking loud to Monkeys  and thru a computer :roll:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 12:30:37 AM
          Quote from: "yapperz1"
          Yep I do remember both very well OF
          I think it is burned into my brain for eternity   :lol:


          We had three  
          two of which were Twins  & I  never thought I would forget... but.....


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: yapperz1 on May 09, 2007, 12:33:35 AM
          Niters Monkeys


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: LouiseVargas on May 09, 2007, 12:35:17 AM
          I am safe. There are a lot of houses and buildings between me and the fire. The map helped a lot for me to see where it is. I know Dundee very well. I can drive up to the observatory and/or Greek Theater in 15 minutes. I do it often. You can see Catalina from there. Beautiful sunsets. The Hollywood Sign is at the top of my street but I don't see any flames.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: crazybabyborg on May 09, 2007, 12:36:26 AM
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
          I'm back and caught up!

          Louise........BE SAFE!

          Klaas, I knew you'd figure it out! Thank you so much! Save as gif. I'll remember that!

          For whoever asked: no those are police lights that I use to alert monkeys that Klaas or I will fix an avatar for them if they want.


          Neighbors video from 2:00am some past Friday night  after they called the police about..you  Talking loud to Monkeys  and thru a computer :roll:


           :shock:  :lol:
          I sowwy!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 12:37:24 AM
          Quote from: "LouiseVargas"
          I am safe. There are a lot of houses and buildings between me and the fire. The map helped a lot for me to see where it is. I know Dundee very well. I can drive up to the observatory and/or Greek Theater in 15 minutes. I do it often. You can see Catalina from there. Beautiful sunsets. The Hollywood Sign is at the top of my street but I don't see any flames.

          Not sure what it's like there but the ocean breezes just picked up about 30 minutes ago.  Hopefully that will help the firefighters.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 12:37:39 AM
          Quote from: "AZLady"
          Quote from: "San"
          I know we discussed this once before but I will say it again.  I believe Paulus led everyone on a wild goose chase the night Beth arrived so whoever was at his home that night had time to sneak away without anyone seeing them.  No way no how was Joran with Deepak alone.  They are too stupid and Paulus would have never left them alone together because he is not only covering Joran ass he is covering for himself.

          I agree, San.  Deepak's car was within the gate.  That means Deepak was there.  If Deepak was there, so was Joran.  Paulus led everyone away from the house so Joran and Deepak could finish up what they were doing, move the car outside the gate to the front, and be there when they returned from their casino chase.


          AZlady ... apparently Deepak's vehicle was not inside the gate of the VDS compound when the Twitty party arrived ... the vehicle was not where it had been observed by Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge less than one hour prior.  Art Wood believes that the Paulus was forewarned that the Twittys were on the way to his residence.

          Janet


          BENVINDA DE SOUZA - LETTER TO JANSSEN
          June 23, 2005

          <snipped>

          In the meantime Mr. Alberto Groeneveld had received information that the silver car where Nathalee was last seen departing from Carlos & Charlie’s, had been spotted at a house in Montanja. After that the group went to the Noord police station, where two agents rode together with the group to the house in Montanja. This resulted to be the house of Mr. Paul van der Sloot and his family. The silver car apparently was not there anymore.

          <snipped>

          Translation Credit: Arubagirl


          BIRMINGHAM MEETING
          October 28, 2006


          Questions and Answers:

          24. Was Deepak's car seen inside the VDS compound?

          BETH TWITTY: Yes, Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge told me they had to climb the wall in order to write down the license number.

          26. Were the Sloots tipped-off that the family group had landed in Aruba

          BETH TWITTY: -- not at first.

          ART WOOD : -- the Sloots were probably tipped-off when the family group stopped at the Noord Police Station

          Credit: Debbie (BFN)


          Jug Twitty
          NANCY GRACE
          October 3, 2005


          GRACE: Let me get this straight. This is 3:00 a.m. and Natalee was last seen about 25, 26 hours before that?

          J. TWITTY: Exactly.  And so one of the guys that helped us, with Universal Air, came running in and saying we`ve found him, we found the house, we found the car and everything, and Beth and I were just coming down. So we go and get two uniformed officers. We stopped at the police station.

          We go in and sit there and wait about 15 minutes out in the parking lot.
          Finally the police officers come out. We go to his house, which is maybe a mile away from the police station.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 12:40:00 AM
          LOUISE - keep refreshing this link..they have updated it with info again

          http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/breakingnews/


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 12:40:00 AM
          Good Night Klaas ... Good Night Monkeys

          Janet

          9:40 PM PDST


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 12:40:18 AM
          Nite Janet


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 12:41:06 AM
          Quote from: "yapperz1"
          Niters Monkeys

          Nite Yapperz


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 12:46:20 AM
          You aren't in LA are ya Klaas..I thought Orange County area :?:

          I grew up in the San Fernando/Simi Valley area.. :D


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kat_Gram on May 09, 2007, 12:46:53 AM
          There is about an hour when Andre Dos Santos says Guido, Deepak and Joran left the casino. Andre is not specific as to times. I do not believe that when the call came Joran from Paulus that there was that mix up as to what casino they were at.
          My vote for persons spoken to on Aruba :
          Steve Croes, Carlos the Gardener.  Sloot handyman or the pool repair cement guy.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 12:47:44 AM
          Quote from: "*******"
          You aren't in LA are ya Klaas..I thought Orange County area :?:

          I grew up in the San Fernando/Simi Valley area.. :D

          I'm in OC, not near the fires but Louise is pretty close


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 12:49:00 AM
          Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
          There is about an hour when Andre Dos Santos says Guido, Deepak and Joran left the casino. Andre is not specific as to times. I do not believe that when the call came Joran from Paulus that there was that mix up as to what casino they were at.
          My vote for persons spoken to on Aruba :
          Steve Croes, Carlos the Gardener.  Sloot handyman or the pool repair cement guy.


          You could be right on persons spoken to but the Dutch team


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 12:51:54 AM
          Getting Late... thinking of Sleep...But

          Does anyone know if ANY paper in Aruba has printed the Dutch versions of statements that are on the internet?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 12:52:21 AM
          LOUISE - click on this link.  Lot's of photos of the fire sent in by people:

          http://tinyurl.com/3dyu76


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: LouiseVargas on May 09, 2007, 12:54:01 AM
          Thanks, Klaas. The update did have new information.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 12:57:27 AM
          Pool repair cement guy/backhoe guy that talked to Art Wood that extended that patio..Yeh thats a good person to talk to. He said he felt uneasy about the job. Could be because he poured cement without a permit or he obviously knew the sloots were being looked at by the ALE.

          I cant help but think they had a better lead though. Eyewitness like a neighbor or someone who knows what happened through one of the pimps.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 01:00:47 AM
          (http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2007-05/29643932.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 01:01:27 AM
          (http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2007-05/29650034.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: tidycat on May 09, 2007, 01:02:04 AM
          1.  Louise I hope you stay safe.

          2.  CBB:  
          Quote
          For whoever asked: no those are police lights that I use to alert monkeys that Klaas or I will fix an avatar for them if they want.

          I was the one asking.  A silly question but I had been wondering!   :D

          3.  Could someone tell me when the cement guy poured did the work extending that pool area and was it near Joran's apt?  TIA.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 01:02:05 AM
          WOW!! Thats crazy!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: LouiseVargas on May 09, 2007, 01:03:52 AM
          Klaas,
          Thanks for the links to smoke pics. Altho I live 3 miles from Vermont/Hillhurst, there are no mountains with dried out brush in between. When you hit Los Feliz (east and west), south of that is a cement city with blocks and blocks of apartment buildings and offices, etc.  Not enough to burn.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 01:04:07 AM
          Quote from: "tidycat"
          1.  Louise I hope you stay safe.

          2.  CBB:  
          Quote
          For whoever asked: no those are police lights that I use to alert monkeys that Klaas or I will fix an avatar for them if they want.

          I was the one asking.  A silly question but I had been wondering!   :D

          3.  Could someone tell me when the cement guy poured did the work extending that pool area and was it near Joran's apt?  TIA.

          I don't know, maybe someone else does.  It would have to be near Joran's apartment though, because his apartment is so close to the pool.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: tidycat on May 09, 2007, 01:04:26 AM
          5.  I hope they get all the people, pets, and zoo animals out of the path of that fire!  Let's all add that to our prayers tonight!

          6.  *******, your avatar reminds me of Ozzie's Mom, who I haven't seen here in a very long time.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 01:05:16 AM
          Quote from: "tidycat"
          5.  I hope they get all the people, pets, and zoo animals out of the path of that fire!  Let's all add that to our prayers tonight!

          6.  *******, your avatar reminds me of Ozzie's Mom, who I haven't seen here in a very long time.


          Tidy
          - Ozzies posted within the last week...let me check

          Ozzie's posted this on May 2, 2007:
          Quote
          I just wanted to let everyone know that just because I haven't been here, not a day goes by that I don't think of Natalee or her family. It is just something that touched me in a way that I cannot explain and I will never give up hope that she will be found and her assailants will be brought to justice...

          Off my soap box


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: tidycat on May 09, 2007, 01:06:24 AM
          Klaas, I guess I'm wondering did they do that cement work in June 2005.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 01:07:26 AM
          Quote from: "tidycat"
          1.  Louise I hope you stay safe.

          2.  CBB:  
          Quote
          For whoever asked: no those are police lights that I use to alert monkeys that Klaas or I will fix an avatar for them if they want.

          I was the one asking.  A silly question but I had been wondering!   :D

          3.  Could someone tell me when the cement guy poured did the work extending that pool area and was it near Joran's apt?  TIA.


          Yeh Something like June 13th or 15th I have it here somewhere...


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 01:08:42 AM
          Quote from: "tidycat"
          Klaas, I guess I'm wondering did they do that cement work in June 2005.

          My guess would be yes


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 01:08:55 AM
          Klaasend

          Could you clean this pic up for Robots... In case  they have to find a bug to eat  :shock:

          (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/robot_bug.jpg)

          G'nite all

          Be safe and be well

          SeeeYaaByeeeeeeee


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 01:09:50 AM
          Peter De Vries talking about one of the areas denied in the search of the VDS property.
          "The police was extremely frustrated about this because they had some clues that something might have happened to Natalee  in the garden..

          Globe Article

          Quote
          In a startling revelation, former agent Wood says he discovered that, shortly after Natalee disappeared, concrete was poured around the property's pool area.

          "I find the timing very suspicious," he says.  "It's a strange coincidence this work was carried out so soon after Natalee vanished and when the property could have been the subject of a search.  She could be under that concrete."

          Quote
          Investigators believe Joran lured Natalee...They suspect her body was then hidden in the lush gardens before burial.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 01:09:58 AM
          Nite Oldfart


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: tidycat on May 09, 2007, 01:12:00 AM
          Klaas:  
          Quote
          Ozzie's posted this on May 2, 2007:
          Quote

          I just wanted to let everyone know that just because I haven't been here, not a day goes by that I don't think of Natalee or her family. It is just something that touched me in a way that I cannot explain and I will never give up hope that she will be found and her assailants will be brought to justice...

          Off my soap box



          Klaas, Thank you for finding that.  I'm glad to know she checked in.  I'm not here often, but I knew I hadn't seen Ozzie's in a very long time, and I'm glad to know she is still around occasionally and thinking of Natalee and the monkeys.


          I am really worried now about all the animals at the zoo.  Please God keep Louise and all the other folks who live in her that area safe and help the caretakers get all of the animals at the zoo to a safe place.  Amen.

          Goodnight all.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: tidycat on May 09, 2007, 01:15:43 AM
          *******, thanks for finding that info on the cement.  I figured it had to be fairly soon after Natalee disappeared.  Maybe Art Wood's statements about it caused the Dutch to dig it up.  

          Nite OF and everybody.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 01:17:10 AM
          Nite Tidy


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: crazybabyborg on May 09, 2007, 01:20:32 AM
          Have there been reports indicating that the zoo animals have been made safe?
          Those pics are scary!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 01:21:21 AM
          Diferente morto den menos cu dos ora      
           http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/
           
          Wednesday, 09 May 2007  
          Entre diamars anochi 11 or y diaranson marduga 12 or y mey Aruba a hanja un shock cu e morto di tres persona na diferente lugar. Ta trata aki di un suicidio, un accidente fatal y un tiramento. Dentro di poco e prome imagenan.  


          Through translator - looks like 3 deaths tonight in Aruba.  Another suicide

          various dead in less cu two hour wednesday, 09 may 2007 among tuesday night 11 or y diaranson marduga 12 or y mey aruba owing to hanja one shock cu the dead of three person at various lugar. is deal here of one suicidio, one accidente fateful y one tiramento. dentro of some the first imagenan. come across


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: crazybabyborg on May 09, 2007, 01:22:26 AM
          Klaas? I haven't done anything more on the prayer thread awaiting the date for Tim to begin his search in Aruba. That hasn't been announced yet, right?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 01:23:00 AM
          Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
          Klaas? I haven't done anything more on the prayer thread awaiting the date for Tim to begin his search in Aruba. That hasn't been announced yet, right?

          Right, it has NOT been announced yet exactly when in June he is going.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 01:23:04 AM
          Just have to be patient yall..Answer's have to come out..Way too many Idiots are Involved.. :wink: Night..


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 01:24:02 AM
          Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
          Have there been reports indicating that the zoo animals have been made safe?
          Those pics are scary!

          I'm pretty sure they were evacutated earlier today.  They thought they had it under control but I guess the wind came up and it got way out of control.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: crazybabyborg on May 09, 2007, 01:25:04 AM
          Quote from: "*******"
          Just have to be patient yall..Answer's have to come out..Way too many Idiots are Involved.. :wink: Night..


          Night *******! I think I'm going to turn in too. Nite monkeys! Nite Klaas! Sleep well and snuggle if you can. I need a stuffed monkey!  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 01:30:38 AM
          Nite CBB & *******


          Title: Good Morning
          Post by: Leslie on May 09, 2007, 06:41:37 AM
          Diario
          http://www.diarioaruba.com/
          Amigoe
          http://www.amigoe.com/english/
          BonDia
          http://www.cspnv.com/
          Solo di Pueblo
          http://www.solodipueblo.com/
          Aruba Today
          http://www.arubatoday.com/
          24ora
          http://www.24ora.com/
          Translator:
          http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 07:10:25 AM
          This is all I got concerning the Bon Dia article from yesterday.

          It says that the Dutch team plans to be in Aruba for at least 6 weeks more. I hope that's true, because it may lead to something worthwhile. I continue to believe they are here on specific information they received from a tip giver, and not just to prod around trying to seem important. They are known to be good in what they do; I hope this case will turn out to be another one of their successes. We again have to be patient while we await the outcome of their work.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: IndyDan on May 09, 2007, 07:37:28 AM
          Quote from: "oldfart"

          BTW..  OffTopic
          I'm going to be a G-Paw again in December...
          Feeling older & older

          Hey OF,
          Congrats to you!
          My number 2 will be here 2 weeks from today, 5-23.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: justinsmama on May 09, 2007, 07:47:48 AM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          This is all I got concerning the Bon Dia article from yesterday.

          It says that the Dutch team plans to be in Aruba for at least 6 weeks more. I hope that's true, because it may lead to something worthwhile. I continue to believe they are here on specific information they received from a tip giver, and not just to prod around trying to seem important. They are known to be good in what they do; I hope this case will turn out to be another one of their successes. We again have to be patient while we await the outcome of their work.


          Paulus will dehydrate and shrivel up.  :twisted:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Peaches on May 09, 2007, 07:52:19 AM
          Good morning.  Just poppin' in on my way out the door.

          Easy, I hope your friend is right.  The reputation of the investigators is riding on this one.  Failure to solve this one and their credibility goes right down the drain.

          Off to my CT.  
          BBL


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 07:55:09 AM
          the Dutch are saying right now

          We are not going to let a few PIMPS and their PIMP DADDY get away with this, ALE are idiots and Corrupt but this case is simple as APPLE PIE"



          paulus was right, they were laughing about how stupid JORAN'S book was

          its a PIECE of GARBAGE
           8)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 08:16:43 AM
          Quote from: "Peaches"
          Good morning.  Just poppin' in on my way out the door.

          Easy, I hope your friend is right.  The reputation of the investigators is riding on this one.  Failure to solve this one and their credibility goes right down the drain.

          Off to my CT.  
          BBL


          I hope so too!  They sure are good at staying out of the public eye.  Maybe they are hard at it and we will see some action soon.

          Good Luck with that CT!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 08:22:01 AM
          KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK on the SLOOT DOOR 8)


          "good morning Mr SLOOT, we are here to arrest you and NO you will not
          be able to send us on a WILD GOOSE CHASE and NO you will not be able to HIDE in  the BUSHES and NO you will not be able to
          call Mrs Sloot to tell her that you need her to do something for you immediately. PLEASE COME WITH US we have a few questions and we will wont be asking questions with NO follow up questions

          please put your hands behind your GREASY BACK  :twisted:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Mere on May 09, 2007, 08:45:32 AM
          Quote from: "robots"
          KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK on the SLOOT DOOR 8)


          "good morning Mr SLOOT, we are here to arrest you and NO you will not
          be able to send us on a WILD GOOSE CHASE and NO you will not be able to HIDE in  the BUSHES and NO you will not be able to
          call Mrs Sloot to tell her that you need her to do something for you immediately. PLEASE COME WITH US we have a few questions and we will wont be asking questions with NO follow up questions

          please put your hands behind your GREASY BACK  :twisted:


          AND....you will not be able to drive yourself...!

          Morning monkeys...!

          Good luck Patches.... :)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kimmy53 on May 09, 2007, 08:46:50 AM
          Good Morning Monkeys!

          Easy - thanks for that info...6 weeks does sound encouraging.

          Peaches...Prayers and hugs coming your way for a clear CT!

          Old Fart, IndyDan..congrats on the new grandbabies!!!!  How exciting!  I know you can't wait to see them..


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 08:49:11 AM
          Quote from: "MeMere"
          Quote from: "robots"
          KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK on the SLOOT DOOR 8)


          "good morning Mr SLOOT, we are here to arrest you and NO you will not
          be able to send us on a WILD GOOSE CHASE and NO you will not be able to HIDE in  the BUSHES and NO you will not be able to
          call Mrs Sloot to tell her that you need her to do something for you immediately. PLEASE COME WITH US we have a few questions and we will wont be asking questions with NO follow up questions

          please put your hands behind your GREASY BACK  :twisted:


          AND....you will not be able to drive yourself...!

          Morning monkeys...!

          Good luck Patches.... :)




           :wink:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 09:30:12 AM
          http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

          I posted the last night but they have the photo today - another suicide by hanging in Aruba:

          Diamars anochi dos persona hoben a encontra un persona cu a horca su mes cu un cabuya. Esaki a tuma lugar na e toren di bubali plas. Inoficialmente ta trata aki di un persona cu ta residencia na Aruba. E curpa a wordo tuma den beslag. TOD tawata presente pa hasi investigacion.


          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/suicidehanging050807.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 09:31:01 AM
          Quote from: "Kimmy53"
          Good Morning Monkeys!

          Easy - thanks for that info...6 weeks does sound encouraging.

          Peaches...Prayers and hugs coming your way for a clear CT!

          Old Fart, IndyDan..congrats on the new grandbabies!!!!  How exciting!  I know you can't wait to see them..


          I wonder if six weeks is based upon getting test results back from Holland, or if that just puts it closer to the two year anniversary, or if it means anything at all.  How do investigators know how long they will be in a location investigating an old crime?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 09:33:24 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

          I posted the last night but they have the photo today - another suicide by hanging in Aruba:

          Diamars anochi dos persona hoben a encontra un persona cu a horca su mes cu un cabuya. Esaki a tuma lugar na e toren di bubali plas. Inoficialmente ta trata aki di un persona cu ta residencia na Aruba. E curpa a wordo tuma den beslag. TOD tawata presente pa hasi investigacion.


          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/suicidehanging050807.jpg)


          Public hanging is very popular in Aruba!  What is up with that????  I wonder what the statistics are for this country.  Strange!!!!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 09:35:05 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

          I posted the last night but they have the photo today - another suicide by hanging in Aruba:

          Diamars anochi dos persona hoben a encontra un persona cu a horca su mes cu un cabuya. Esaki a tuma lugar na e toren di bubali plas. Inoficialmente ta trata aki di un persona cu ta residencia na Aruba. E curpa a wordo tuma den beslag. TOD tawata presente pa hasi investigacion.


          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/suicidehanging050807.jpg)

          I take it this is not the actual photo because if it was the guy has his hand in his pocket.  He looks young.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 09:38:45 AM
          I just zoomed in on that photo and his face if blacked out.  He's also just standing in that photo and not hanging. So either it wasn't a hanging or it's an old photo of the person who committed suicide.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kimmy53 on May 09, 2007, 09:41:58 AM
          I just cannot get used to seeing these gorry pictures they print!  It still shocks me when I see this.  How awful this must be for the families of those who have died.  The tragedy of suicide is bad enough, much less their loved ones pictures plastered all over the newspapers.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 09:44:47 AM
          Suicide Methods
                                                          Rate Per
                                         Number      100,000     % of Total
          Firearms.......................16,869........5.9.........55.1
          All Other Methods..........13,753........4.8.........49.9
          Hanging or Suffocation.....6,198........2.2.........20.2
          Poisoning........................5,191........1.8.........17.0
          Falls..................................651........0.2..........2.1
          Cutting / Pieercing..............458........0.2..........1.5
          Drowning...........................339........0.1..........1.1
          Fire...................................147........0.1..........0.5


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 09:47:03 AM
          Quote from: "Kimmy53"
          I just cannot get used to seeing these gorry pictures they print!  It still shocks me when I see this.  How awful this must be for the families of those who have died.  The tragedy of suicide is bad enough, much less their loved ones pictures plastered all over the newspapers.


          Kimmy - nothing gorry about this particular photo.  The person is just standing there with his face blacked out.  I think, from running the article through the pap translator, they are trying to identify him.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kimmy53 on May 09, 2007, 09:50:22 AM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "Kimmy53"
          Good Morning Monkeys!

          Easy - thanks for that info...6 weeks does sound encouraging.

          Peaches...Prayers and hugs coming your way for a clear CT!

          Old Fart, IndyDan..congrats on the new grandbabies!!!!  How exciting!  I know you can't wait to see them..


          I wonder if six weeks is based upon getting test results back from Holland, or if that just puts it closer to the two year anniversary, or if it means anything at all.  How do investigators know how long they will be in a location investigating an old crime?


          Gosh easy, who knows anymore?  Maybe it is just a "goal" time period.  I wonder if they are sending off the things they have collected or if they have set up a portable crime lab there.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 09:51:45 AM
          (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Arubasuicidebyhanging4.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 09:54:04 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Kimmy53"
          I just cannot get used to seeing these gorry pictures they print!  It still shocks me when I see this.  How awful this must be for the families of those who have died.  The tragedy of suicide is bad enough, much less their loved ones pictures plastered all over the newspapers.


          Kimmy - nothing gorry about this particular photo.  The person is just standing there with his face blacked out.  I think, from running the article through the pap translator, they are trying to identify him.


          so it is a picture of the person that hung himself, but not the exact picture from the hanging..

          Good Morning everyone!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Dayhiker on May 09, 2007, 09:57:28 AM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          This is all I got concerning the Bon Dia article from yesterday.

          It says that the Dutch team plans to be in Aruba for at least 6 weeks more. I hope that's true, because it may lead to something worthwhile. I continue to believe they are here on specific information they received from a tip giver, and not just to prod around trying to seem important. They are known to be good in what they do; I hope this case will turn out to be another one of their successes. We again have to be patient while we await the outcome of their work.



          This is very good news, Easy. Doubt they would spend all this time on a dog and pony show. Hope they wouldn't be that stupid. They're losing their shirts on Aruba as it is having to prop up their economy. Have wondered if there is a connection between the current corruption investigation and Natalee's case. Her investigation opened the door to corruption and the Namdir case is just part of it. Oduber's alliance with Chavez being a key factor as well.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 09:58:37 AM
          Can anyone imagine Joran’s book being a best seller?  The Dutch must be starved for literature!!!!  Is there anywhere on the web that shows the actual sells of the book?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kimmy53 on May 09, 2007, 10:01:14 AM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Kimmy53"
          I just cannot get used to seeing these gorry pictures they print!  It still shocks me when I see this.  How awful this must be for the families of those who have died.  The tragedy of suicide is bad enough, much less their loved ones pictures plastered all over the newspapers.


          Kimmy - nothing gorry about this particular photo.  The person is just standing there with his face blacked out.  I think, from running the article through the pap translator, they are trying to identify him.


          so it is a picture of the person that hung himself, but not the exact picture from the hanging..

          Good Morning everyone!


          Well, I reckon I need to look closer next time... There is no rope and yes, the dude looks like he is just standing there.   :roll:

          Shows what I get for working and lurking.. I need to stop working so I can concentrate better!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 10:02:12 AM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Can anyone imagine Joran’s book being a best seller?  The Dutch must be starved for literature!!!!  Is there anywhere on the web that shows the actual sells of the book?


          I have no idea, but I LOVE that little monkey face.  :lol:

          Please keep him around for a while. I mean, I know the actual monkey lives at my house, but I just adore that picture of him.  :P


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 10:02:29 AM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Can anyone imagine Joran’s book being a best seller?  The Dutch must be starved for literature!!!!  Is there anywhere on the web that shows the actual sells of the book?


          One site you can look at but I don't know how accurate their numbers are:

          http://www.debestseller60.nl/bs/index.html

          Medleyrelay wrote at FOB:

          I received mine in the mail yesterday, so if anyone knows of a nice Dutchman that would like to come over and read to me - that would be great!


          Lovejust replied:

          Can't you ask Joran?

           :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 10:04:30 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Can anyone imagine Joran’s book being a best seller?  The Dutch must be starved for literature!!!!  Is there anywhere on the web that shows the actual sells of the book?


          One site you can look at but I don't know how accurate their numbers are:

          http://www.debestseller60.nl/bs/index.html

          Medleyrelay wrote at FOB:

          I received mine in the mail yesterday, so if anyone knows of a nice Dutchman that would like to come over and read to me - that would be great!


          Lovejust replied:

          Can't you ask Joran?

           :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


           :smt044  :smt043  :smt038


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 10:05:19 AM
          Maybe the guy in the photo is wearing a walking cast???? on his left foot?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 10:05:32 AM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Can anyone imagine Joran’s book being a best seller?  The Dutch must be starved for literature!!!!  Is there anywhere on the web that shows the actual sells of the book?


          I have no idea, but I LOVE that little monkey face.  :lol:

          Please keep him around for a while. I mean, I know the actual monkey lives at my house, but I just adore that picture of him.  :P


          Did you put lipstick and mascara on that little monkey face?   :shock:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 10:07:07 AM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Can anyone imagine Joran’s book being a best seller?  The Dutch must be starved for literature!!!!  Is there anywhere on the web that shows the actual sells of the book?


          I have no idea, but I LOVE that little monkey face.  :lol:

          Please keep him around for a while. I mean, I know the actual monkey lives at my house, but I just adore that picture of him.  :P


          Did you put lipstick and mascara on that little monkey face?   :shock:


          No way! That's just how a manly sock monkey naturally looks.  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 10:08:02 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Can anyone imagine Joran’s book being a best seller?  The Dutch must be starved for literature!!!!  Is there anywhere on the web that shows the actual sells of the book?


          One site you can look at but I don't know how accurate their numbers are:

          http://www.debestseller60.nl/bs/index.html

          Medleyrelay wrote at FOB:

          I received mine in the mail yesterday, so if anyone knows of a nice Dutchman that would like to come over and read to me - that would be great!


          Lovejust replied:

          Can't you ask Joran?

           :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

           :smt065  :smt082


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 10:09:29 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Can anyone imagine Joran’s book being a best seller?  The Dutch must be starved for literature!!!!  Is there anywhere on the web that shows the actual sells of the book?


          One site you can look at but I don't know how accurate their numbers are:

          http://www.debestseller60.nl/bs/index.html

          Medleyrelay wrote at FOB:

          I received mine in the mail yesterday, so if anyone knows of a nice Dutchman that would like to come over and read to me - that would be great!


          Lovejust replied:

          Can't you ask Joran?

           :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


          I saw that and followed the link.  It is hard to tell if it is a best seller in the true sense, or just a best seller for a particular book retailer.  Is there a Dutch site that looks at the big picture and reviews books?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 10:11:33 AM
          According to FOB - this is pertaining to the Wrongful Death suit:

          Hearing on th Kalpoes Motion to Quash has been continued again.

          From 5-10-07 TO 6-1-07


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 10:14:42 AM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Can anyone imagine Joran’s book being a best seller?  The Dutch must be starved for literature!!!!  Is there anywhere on the web that shows the actual sells of the book?


          I have no idea, but I LOVE that little monkey face.  :lol:

          Please keep him around for a while. I mean, I know the actual monkey lives at my house, but I just adore that picture of him.  :P


          Did you put lipstick and mascara on that little monkey face?   :shock:


          No way! That's just how a manly sock monkey naturally looks.  :lol:


          What size shoes does that manly sock monkey wear?   8)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 10:15:51 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          According to FOB - this is pertaining to the Wrongful Death suit:

          Hearing on th Kalpoes Motion to Quash has been continued again.

          From 5-10-07 TO 6-1-07


          Third continuance?

          Doesn't look like they have their ducks in a line!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 10:19:18 AM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Can anyone imagine Joran’s book being a best seller?  The Dutch must be starved for literature!!!!  Is there anywhere on the web that shows the actual sells of the book?


          I have no idea, but I LOVE that little monkey face.  :lol:

          Please keep him around for a while. I mean, I know the actual monkey lives at my house, but I just adore that picture of him.  :P


          Did you put lipstick and mascara on that little monkey face?   :shock:


          No way! That's just how a manly sock monkey naturally looks.  :lol:


          What size shoes does that manly sock monkey wear?   8)


          I'm pretty sure he needs a 10.5 on one foot and a 14 on the other one.  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 10:24:15 AM
          robots favorite pick up line

          "your EYES are like TUNGSTEN"



           8)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 10:24:51 AM
          Quote from: "robots"
          robots favorite pick up line

          "your EYES are like TUNGSTEN"



           8)


          I feel myself swooning now.  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 10:25:08 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          According to FOB - this is pertaining to the Wrongful Death suit:

          Hearing on th Kalpoes Motion to Quash has been continued again.

          From 5-10-07 TO 6-1-07



          hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 10:25:51 AM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "robots"
          robots favorite pick up line

          "your EYES are like TUNGSTEN"



           8)


          I feel myself swooning now.  :lol:



           8) good morning BT  :wink:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 10:28:31 AM
          Jorans favorite pick up line

          "hey, this is the PIMP MASTER lets go have sex in the PUBLIC RESTROOM
          in the casino"



          Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeshhhhhhhhhhhhhh

          that is disgusting  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: msmarple on May 09, 2007, 10:39:16 AM
          klaas - thanks for posting that on the M&C thread too.

          Diario is not updated for today.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 10:39:44 AM
          Robots - did you skeeeer everyone away with your pickup lines?  :shock:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 10:45:17 AM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Robots - did you skeeeer everyone away with your pickup lines?  :shock:  :lol:


          i must have  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: nonesuche on May 09, 2007, 11:01:49 AM
          oh I'm not skeered of robots  8)



           :lol:



          so was the continuance requested by K2's attorneys? If so, that means they aren't looking forward to the hearing regarding the discovery !

          weasels !!!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 11:07:47 AM
          * YIKES *

          FIRST SUBTROPICAL STORM OF THE YEAR, ANDREA, FORMS OFF SOUTHEASTERN
          U.S. COAST THREE WEEKS BEFORE OFFICIAL HURRICANE SEASON STARTS

          **Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com for more


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 11:11:54 AM
          RICHMOND, Va. —  Barack Obama, caught up in the fervor of a campaign speech Tuesday, drastically overstated the Kansas tornadoes death toll, saying 10,000 had died.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: nonesuche on May 09, 2007, 11:12:06 AM
          Hi Easy, that isn't a good omen is it? I wish a storm would land over LA and drown those fires !


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 11:17:57 AM
          Quote from: "nonesuche"
          Hi Easy, that isn't a good omen is it? I wish a storm would land over LA and drown those fires !


          That's not a good omen at all!  It means conditions are ripe for the formation of tropical systems and some have predicted a very busy season.  Of course, same people made that prediction last year and it didn't turn out that way.  At one time it didn't seem to bother me very much, but now I want to move every time I hear about one forming.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 11:47:47 AM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          RICHMOND, Va. —  Barack Obama, caught up in the fervor of a campaign speech Tuesday, drastically overstated the Kansas tornadoes death toll, saying 10,000 had died.


           :shock:

          Shades of New Orleans Mayor Nagin there!

          Easy, speaking of shades, maybe if your lipstick were a little less orangey--just not your color, IMO.

           :wink:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: msmarple on May 09, 2007, 11:48:26 AM
          Under the Man at the Casino FP story, Comment #3 by Mee says that there's an article in the 05/13 National Enquirer ... to the effect that Art Woods isn't happy with this last search at the PVDS home because they didn't look under the concrete.

          Today is a day when I can't copy from the FP. Sometimes I can, others I can't ...


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 11:51:10 AM
          O/T

          Two teen girls in Australia murdered another girl to see if they'd feel guilty over it - they didn't.  :shock:

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6639027.stm


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 11:53:10 AM
          Quote from: "msmarple"
          Under the Man at the Casino FP story, Comment #3 by Mee says that there's an article in the 05/13 National Enquirer ... to the effect that Art Woods isn't happy with this last search at the PVDS home because they didn't look under the concrete.

          Today is a day when I can't copy from the FP. Sometimes I can, others I can't ...


          Name: Meee

          A friend just gave me a copy of the May 14th National Enquirer. It had an article on the search of the Van der sloot place. Art Wood isn’t happy. He said that the Dutch didn’t break up the patio. He said that a few days after Natalee vanished. A backhoe operator told him that that he was hired to dig out an extended patio by the Van Der Sloots pool. The backhoe guy was puzzled because he wasn’t allowed to pour the concrete. It sounded so suspicious that Woods told local detectives. But they didn’t do anything. He also says it obvious that the arubas didn’t pass that info on to the dutch team. Because there’s no indication that they broke up the patio concrete during there search?

          Posted May 9, 9:46 AM


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 11:56:25 AM
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          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: msmarple on May 09, 2007, 11:56:42 AM
          Morning klaas. How's that fire doing?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 11:56:46 AM
          Quote from: "msmarple"
          Under the Man at the Casino FP story, Comment #3 by Mee says that there's an article in the 05/13 National Enquirer ... to the effect that Art Woods isn't happy with this last search at the PVDS home because they didn't look under the concrete.

          Today is a day when I can't copy from the FP. Sometimes I can, others I can't ...



          He isn't the only one who isn't happy about that!

          I wish we could DEMAND they look under the concrete.  But then, guess that is sort of like insulting the artist who is painting your portrait--they are not going to see what we want them to see.

          If there is nothing there, then I am sure the Sloots wouldn't mind if the concrete is dug up.  Or would they???

          How can any search be taken seriously leaving freshly poured concrete in place?

          Goes back to Investigation 101.  Apparently, we are not even getting that measure of a search.

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 11:57:18 AM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          O/T

          Two teen girls in Australia murdered another girl to see if they'd feel guilty over it - they didn't.  :shock:

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6639027.stm


          That's sick!  Reminds me of those two guys back in the 30's-40's that killed a guy for the experience.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 11:58:39 AM
          Anyone know how much a butt double gets paid these days?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: msmarple on May 09, 2007, 11:58:44 AM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          O/T

          Two teen girls in Australia murdered another girl to see if they'd feel guilty over it - they didn't.  :shock:

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6639027.stm


          That's sick!  Reminds me of those two guys back in the 30's-40's that killed a guy for the experience.


          Leopold and Loeb.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 11:59:27 AM
          Quote from: "msmarple"
          Morning klaas. How's that fire doing?


          It's not near me but it looks like they are making progress.  It's 40% contained now and some residents have been allowed to return to their homes.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: msmarple on May 09, 2007, 11:59:31 AM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Anyone know how much a butt double gets paid these days?


          I don't know what that is ...


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 12:00:14 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "msmarple"
          Under the Man at the Casino FP story, Comment #3 by Mee says that there's an article in the 05/13 National Enquirer ... to the effect that Art Woods isn't happy with this last search at the PVDS home because they didn't look under the concrete.

          Today is a day when I can't copy from the FP. Sometimes I can, others I can't ...


          Name: Meee

          A friend just gave me a copy of the May 14th National Enquirer. It had an article on the search of the Van der sloot place. Art Wood isn’t happy. He said that the Dutch didn’t break up the patio. He said that a few days after Natalee vanished. A backhoe operator told him that that he was hired to dig out an extended patio by the Van Der Sloots pool. The backhoe guy was puzzled because he wasn’t allowed to pour the concrete. It sounded so suspicious that Woods told local detectives. But they didn’t do anything. He also says it obvious that the arubas didn’t pass that info on to the dutch team. Because there’s no indication that they broke up the patio concrete during there search?

          Posted May 9, 9:46 AM


          So, who did pour the concrete?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 12:00:46 PM
          Quote from: "msmarple"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Anyone know how much a butt double gets paid these days?


          I don't know what that is ...


          I think he made that up.  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 12:01:58 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "msmarple"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Anyone know how much a butt double gets paid these days?


          I don't know what that is ...


          I think he made that up.  :lol:


          Employment Opportunity:  Brad Pitt butt double needed for upcoming film.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 12:03:33 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Anyone know how much a butt double gets paid these days?


          I hear the double for Bart got paid quite well  :wink:  :lol:

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Bart-02-june.gif)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 12:03:59 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "msmarple"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Anyone know how much a butt double gets paid these days?


          I don't know what that is ...


          I think he made that up.  :lol:


          Employment Opportunity:  Brad Pitt butt double needed for upcoming film.


          Imagine how many ugly butts the casting director is going to see.  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 12:05:02 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "msmarple"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Anyone know how much a butt double gets paid these days?


          I don't know what that is ...


          I think he made that up.  :lol:


          Employment Opportunity:  Brad Pitt butt double needed for upcoming film.


          Imagine how many ugly butts the casting director is going to see.  :lol:


          I would try out, but my butt color matches my lips.   :P


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 12:09:58 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "msmarple"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Anyone know how much a butt double gets paid these days?


          I don't know what that is ...


          I think he made that up.  :lol:


          Employment Opportunity:  Brad Pitt butt double needed for upcoming film.


          Imagine how many ugly butts the casting director is going to see.  :lol:


          I would try out, but my butt color matches my lips.   :P


          As yes, the down side of those red-heeled socks.  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 12:13:40 PM
          I'm going to be gone for a couple of hours so if you ask me a question and I don't answer, that's why, lol  :lol:

          See you all later!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 12:14:52 PM
          So what's wrong with Brad Pitt's own butt?

          Does this mean it is ugly?  
           :shock:

          This is more than I can take. . .off to work. . .vet coming to vaccinate the horses and he expects them to be nicely parked and waiting for him all in one place.   :evil:

          But glad to hear Art Wood will be on Dana tonight.  We need to know more about the failure to dig up the freshly poured concrete in the Sloot yard.

          So do the cops!

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 12:15:20 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          I'm going to be gone for a couple of hours so if you ask me a question and I don't answer, that's why, lol  :lol:

          See you all later!


          We'll be good.   8)

          Have fun!  :D


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 12:20:07 PM
          Quote from: "Anna"
          So what's wrong with Brad Pitt's own butt?

          Does this mean it is ugly?  
           :shock:

          This is more than I can take. . .off to work. . .vet coming to vaccinate the horses and he expects them to be nicely parked and waiting for him all in one place.   :evil:

          But glad to hear Art Wood will be on Dana tonight.  We need to know more about the failure to dig up the freshly poured concrete in the Sloot yard.

          So do the cops!

          .


          Angelina Jolie doesn't want him showing his butt anymore!   :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 12:41:17 PM
          I was just checking out the 2007 Atlantic storm names.  Guess what "L" is!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 12:43:45 PM
          I wonder if Joe Tacopina will be taking her place. :shock:

          Run Paulus Run. :lol:

          Macon's Nancy Grace to give up Court TV gig

          By Phillip Ramati - pramati@macontel.com
          Television host and former prosecutor Nancy Grace announced Tuesday that her Court TV show will end this summer.

          The Macon native hosts "Nancy Grace: Closing Arguments," which airs weekdays on the network from 3-5 p.m. Grace also is the host of "Nancy Grace" on CNN Headline News nightly at 8 p.m.

          "After 10 wonderful years at Court TV, I have decided to leave the network to focus on my Headline News program and my charitable endeavors," Grace said in a news release. "Court TV will always hold a special place in my heart, and I will always look back at my time there with great gratitude and affection."

          Grace has often been a controversial figure while on the air. She started at Court TV, co-hosting a legal show with the late Johnnie Cochran, then got her own show after Cochran left.

          Her stands in cases such as the Duke University rape case, the search for Natalee Holloway and the Scott Peterson trial have drawn a lot of criticism.

          In 2006, Grace interviewed Melissa Duckett on her Headline News show about the disappearance of Duckett's 2006 son. Before the airing of the pre-taped interview, during which Grace got into heated discussions with the mother, Duckett committed suicide.

          During an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America" posted on ABC.com, Grace defended herself.

          "If anything, I would suggest that guilt made her commit suicide," Grace told ABC News. "To suggest that a 15 or 20 minute interview can cause someone to commit suicide is focusing on the wrong thing."

          Court TV said in a statement Wednesday that Grace would be missed.

          "Nancy Grace has been an invaluable part of the Court TV family for over 10 years," the statement read. "It is with great respect and immeasurable gratitude that we have agreed to let her out of her contract. We wish her all the best as she leaves Court TV to focus on her Headline News program and her many charitable endeavors, and we will continue to count ourselves among her biggest fans."

          Grace is a graduate of the Walter F. George School of Law at Mercer University. She co-authored the book, "Objection! - How High-Priced Defense Attorneys, Celebrity Defendants, and a 24/7 Media Have Hijacked Our Criminal Justice System."

          http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/posting.php?mode=reply&t=1127


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 12:44:22 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          I was just checking out the 2007 Atlantic storm names.  Guess what "L" is!


          Lorenzo.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 12:45:56 PM
          I think CTV is getting away from those type shows and going more for the forensic files type programs.  Catherine Crier did her last show a week or two ago.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 12:46:39 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          I was just checking out the 2007 Atlantic storm names.  Guess what "L" is!


          Lorenzo.


          Yep!   :shock:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 12:49:19 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          I was just checking out the 2007 Atlantic storm names.  Guess what "L" is!


          Lorenzo.


          Yep!   :shock:

           :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 12:51:27 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          I think CTV is getting away from those type shows and going more for the forensic files type programs.  Catherine Crier did her last show a week or two ago.

          Oh she just loved Tacopina.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: blah on May 09, 2007, 12:54:02 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          I wonder if Joe Tacopina will be taking her place. :shock:

          Run Paulus Run. :lol:

          Macon's Nancy Grace to give up Court TV gig

          By Phillip Ramati - pramati@macontel.com
          Television host and former prosecutor Nancy Grace announced Tuesday that her Court TV show will end this summer.

          The Macon native hosts "Nancy Grace: Closing Arguments," which airs weekdays on the network from 3-5 p.m. Grace also is the host of "Nancy Grace" on CNN Headline News nightly at 8 p.m.

          "After 10 wonderful years at Court TV, I have decided to leave the network to focus on my Headline News program and my charitable endeavors," Grace said in a news release. "Court TV will always hold a special place in my heart, and I will always look back at my time there with great gratitude and affection."

          Grace has often been a controversial figure while on the air. She started at Court TV, co-hosting a legal show with the late Johnnie Cochran, then got her own show after Cochran left.

          Her stands in cases such as the Duke University rape case, the search for Natalee Holloway and the Scott Peterson trial have drawn a lot of criticism.

          In 2006, Grace interviewed Melissa Duckett on her Headline News show about the disappearance of Duckett's 2006 son. Before the airing of the pre-taped interview, during which Grace got into heated discussions with the mother, Duckett committed suicide.

          During an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America" posted on ABC.com, Grace defended herself.

          "If anything, I would suggest that guilt made her commit suicide," Grace told ABC News. "To suggest that a 15 or 20 minute interview can cause someone to commit suicide is focusing on the wrong thing."

          Court TV said in a statement Wednesday that Grace would be missed.

          "Nancy Grace has been an invaluable part of the Court TV family for over 10 years," the statement read. "It is with great respect and immeasurable gratitude that we have agreed to let her out of her contract. We wish her all the best as she leaves Court TV to focus on her Headline News program and her many charitable endeavors, and we will continue to count ourselves among her biggest fans."

          Grace is a graduate of the Walter F. George School of Law at Mercer University. She co-authored the book, "Objection! - How High-Priced Defense Attorneys, Celebrity Defendants, and a 24/7 Media Have Hijacked Our Criminal Justice System."

          http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/posting.php?mode=reply&t=1127



          Funny they dont mention how she all but crucified Mark Lunsford   :roll:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tylergal on May 09, 2007, 01:49:25 PM
          Quote from: "Kimmy53"
          I just cannot get used to seeing these gorry pictures they print!  It still shocks me when I see this.  How awful this must be for the families of those who have died.  The tragedy of suicide is bad enough, much less their loved ones pictures plastered all over the newspapers.


          Kimmy, I agree.  I have never, even in the gossip rags, seen such gruesome pictures in this country, but have we not learned they have no respect for themselves, or their fellowman.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tylergal on May 09, 2007, 01:51:44 PM
          Quote from: "Kimmy53"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Kimmy53"
          I just cannot get used to seeing these gorry pictures they print!  It still shocks me when I see this.  How awful this must be for the families of those who have died.  The tragedy of suicide is bad enough, much less their loved ones pictures plastered all over the newspapers.


          Kimmy - nothing gorry about this particular photo.  The person is just standing there with his face blacked out.  I think, from running the article through the pap translator, they are trying to identify him.


          so it is a picture of the person that hung himself, but not the exact picture from the hanging..

          Good Morning everyone!


          Well, I reckon I need to look closer next time... There is no rope and yes, the dude looks like he is just standing there.   :roll:

          Shows what I get for working and lurking.. I need to stop working so I can concentrate better!


          For me, it is still gorey.  Even if it only depicts what happened, or an unknown.  This is just too much of theatrics resulting in reality, just like the photographs and the spinmeisters on TV from VA Tech.  Enough already.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tylergal on May 09, 2007, 01:52:52 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "Kimmy53"
          Good Morning Monkeys!

          Easy - thanks for that info...6 weeks does sound encouraging.

          Peaches...Prayers and hugs coming your way for a clear CT!

          Old Fart, IndyDan..congrats on the new grandbabies!!!!  How exciting!  I know you can't wait to see them..


          I wonder if six weeks is based upon getting test results back from Holland, or if that just puts it closer to the two year anniversary, or if it means anything at all.  How do investigators know how long they will be in a location investigating an old crime?


          Easy, thank you for saying it/asking it aloud.  I agree, for what reason a six-week deadline?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tylergal on May 09, 2007, 01:56:42 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          RICHMOND, Va. —  Barack Obama, caught up in the fervor of a campaign speech Tuesday, drastically overstated the Kansas tornadoes death toll, saying 10,000 had died.


          "caught up in fervor" or just plain lying because it sounded good.  The whole town that was destroyed had a population of 2500.  Good grief!  He might be related to the Sloots.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 02:14:22 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          I think CTV is getting away from those type shows and going more for the forensic files type programs.  Catherine Crier did her last show a week or two ago.

          Oh she just loved Tacopina.


          He was on her last show and praised what a wonderful person she was and how much she had done for society through her show.  That whole last show kind of made me want to puke.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 02:19:39 PM
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          RICHMOND, Va. —  Barack Obama, caught up in the fervor of a campaign speech Tuesday, drastically overstated the Kansas tornadoes death toll, saying 10,000 had died.


          "caught up in fervor" or just plain lying because it sounded good.  The whole town that was destroyed had a population of 2500.  Good grief!  He might be related to the Sloots.


          He claims he was just tired and caught up in the moment, which is probably true.  The point he was trying to make had to do with all of the National Guard from Tennessee being in Iraq and he was overstating those numbers too.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 02:25:39 PM
          FOB is going on about that Hootie poster again.  Why don’t they just ask Julia about that one?  Or, better yet, why doesn’t Renfro bother to set them straight?????


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 02:28:04 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          FOB is going on about that Hootie poster again.  Why don’t they just ask Julia about that one?  Or, better yet, why doesn’t Renfro bother to set them straight?????

          They have to find a way to direct attention away from Joran's lies and continued lies in his book.  

          I'm back, sort of.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 02:28:37 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          FOB is going on about that Hootie poster again.  Why don’t they just ask Julia about that one?  Or, better yet, why doesn’t Renfro bother to set them straight?????


          Because when she's on the internet she likes to pretend she's not Julia Renfro. Sshhhhh 8)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 02:30:39 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          FOB is going on about that Hootie poster again.  Why don’t they just ask Julia about that one?  Or, better yet, why doesn’t Renfro bother to set them straight?????

          They have to find a way to direct attention away from Joran's lies and continued lies in his book.  

          I'm back, sort of.


          They are also claiming Jossy immediately latched onto Beth, etc.  Renfro latched onto them and stuck like glue until they just couldn't take it any more!!!!!!!!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 02:31:49 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          FOB is going on about that Hootie poster again.  Why don’t they just ask Julia about that one?  Or, better yet, why doesn’t Renfro bother to set them straight?????


          Because when she's on the internet she likes to pretend she's not Julia Renfro. Sshhhhh 8)


          What are you doing here?  I thought you were pretending to watch a lesson and catching a few zzzzzzzz's!   :P


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 02:35:03 PM
          Has anyone seen Ramm or heard anything from the BFN bunch about the next chapters?  I hope he didn't get cold feet about giving the review, because of you know who.....


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 02:35:12 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          FOB is going on about that Hootie poster again.  Why don’t they just ask Julia about that one?  Or, better yet, why doesn’t Renfro bother to set them straight?????


          Because when she's on the internet she likes to pretend she's not Julia Renfro. Sshhhhh 8)


          What are you doing here?  I thought you were pretending to watch a lesson and catching a few zzzzzzzz's!   :P


          It's over now. I wish I could have slept through it. Boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 02:38:43 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Has anyone seen Ramm or heard anything from the BFN bunch about the next chapters?  I hope he didn't get cold feet about giving the review, because of you know who.....

          Just checked - no new translations yet today.  Chapter 7 should be next.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 02:39:57 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Has anyone seen Ramm or heard anything from the BFN bunch about the next chapters?  I hope he didn't get cold feet about giving the review, because of you know who.....

          Just checked - no new translations yet today.  Chapter 7 should be next.


          Has he promised to do that one and the rest?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tylergal on May 09, 2007, 02:43:30 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Has anyone seen Ramm or heard anything from the BFN bunch about the next chapters?  I hope he didn't get cold feet about giving the review, because of you know who.....


          FOB - fibbing old broads or something like that.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 02:43:55 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Has anyone seen Ramm or heard anything from the BFN bunch about the next chapters?  I hope he didn't get cold feet about giving the review, because of you know who.....

          Just checked - no new translations yet today.  Chapter 7 should be next.


          Has he promised to do that one and the rest?

          I have no idea what Ramm has promised.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 02:46:13 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Has anyone seen Ramm or heard anything from the BFN bunch about the next chapters?  I hope he didn't get cold feet about giving the review, because of you know who.....

          Just checked - no new translations yet today.  Chapter 7 should be next.


          Has he promised to do that one and the rest?

          I have no idea what Ramm has promised.


          Could we start a collection and offer him monkey money to finish it?  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tylergal on May 09, 2007, 02:46:43 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          RICHMOND, Va. —  Barack Obama, caught up in the fervor of a campaign speech Tuesday, drastically overstated the Kansas tornadoes death toll, saying 10,000 had died.


          "caught up in fervor" or just plain lying because it sounded good.  The whole town that was destroyed had a population of 2500.  Good grief!  He might be related to the Sloots.


          He claims he was just tired and caught up in the moment, which is probably true.  The point he was trying to make had to do with all of the National Guard from Tennessee being in Iraq and he was overstating those numbers too.


          I wonder if he can spell potato.  If not, we should hang him.   :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 02:55:12 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          FOB is going on about that Hootie poster again.  Why don’t they just ask Julia about that one?  Or, better yet, why doesn’t Renfro bother to set them straight?????


          Birmingham Meeting
          October 28, 2006


          Questions and Answers:

          20. The "Call me Hootie" poster... what is the explanation of that?

          BETH: This poster is the first that was distributed in Aruba. The Kidnapped posters that were made up to be put up were not allowed to be used. The Call me Hootie poster idea came from Julia Renfro.
          Credit: Debbie (BFN)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 02:56:42 PM
          Posted on the front page of SM by Jonathan45 (he appears to be from the Netherlands)

          On june 25 2005 there was a telephone call to the Dutch police about Yoran and his father being deeply involved in this unsolved murdercase. The Kalpoebrothers were framed was the message.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 03:00:18 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Posted on the front page of SM by Jonathan45 (he appears to be from the Netherlands)

          On june 25 2005 there was a telephone call to the Dutch police about Yoran and his father being deeply involved in this unsolved murdercase. The Kalpoebrothers were framed was the message.


          I wish he would tell us how he knows this.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kimmy53 on May 09, 2007, 03:01:57 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Posted on the front page of SM by Jonathan45 (he appears to be from the Netherlands)

          On june 25 2005 there was a telephone call to the Dutch police about Yoran and his father being deeply involved in this unsolved murdercase. The Kalpoebrothers were framed was the message.


          I have no doubts in my mind that the Kalpoes were threatened in some way to keep quiet.  Maybe just a "If I go down you do too" or "Who would they believe?  Us or You?" type thing.

          I also believe that the Sloots would have thrown them under the bus a long time ago if they could.  Something held them back.... I contend they have some sort of evidence...JMHO of course


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 03:03:27 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Posted on the front page of SM by Jonathan45 (he appears to be from the Netherlands)

          On june 25 2005 there was a telephone call to the Dutch police about Yoran and his father being deeply involved in this unsolved murdercase. The Kalpoebrothers were framed was the message.


          And we'll never know what calls, tips, clues were made to Julia that she made disappear.

          No wonder no one was very helpful.  Maybe they were and were just ignored by her and her cronies.

          They were also desperate to have a live sighting and she has told about chasing cars with blondes in them like some nutcase.

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 03:04:43 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Posted on the front page of SM by Jonathan45 (he appears to be from the Netherlands)

          On june 25 2005 there was a telephone call to the Dutch police about Yoran and his father being deeply involved in this unsolved murdercase. The Kalpoebrothers were framed was the message.


          Must be Deepak again.   :roll:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 03:06:36 PM
          Julia should NOT have been ALLOWED to reroute tips to her private number like that.

          If Beth couldn't use the word "kidnapped" then why was a private citizen allowed to post and run interference between the police and possible evidence?

          That makes no sense.  But then the laws only apply to Americans and not to residents of Aruba it seems.

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 03:06:49 PM
          LONDON (Reuters) - Two experts from Britain's child sex abuse agency have joined Portuguese police in the search for missing toddler Madeleine McCann amid mounting criticism of the investigation.

          Ya know, if anything happens to a tourist in any of these exotic vacation spots they are just chit out of luck!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 03:10:51 PM
          Check out the videos they have up today of the suicide and car accidents, etc.:

          http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kimmy53 on May 09, 2007, 03:11:32 PM
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Posted on the front page of SM by Jonathan45 (he appears to be from the Netherlands)

          On june 25 2005 there was a telephone call to the Dutch police about Yoran and his father being deeply involved in this unsolved murdercase. The Kalpoebrothers were framed was the message.


          And we'll never know what calls, tips, clues were made to Julia that she made disappear.

          No wonder no one was very helpful.  Maybe they were and were just ignored by her and her cronies.

          They were also desperate to have a live sighting and she has told about chasing cars with blondes in them like some nutcase.

          .


          Anna - you are right on.. I remember in the beginning how we could not believe there were no more tips being given, no calls being made.. Hind sight is 20/20.

          And if they DID actually take a tip down, it was never followed up on or investigated.

          There's a special place in Hell for the likes of those that muffed up this investigation.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 03:14:59 PM
          Does this sound familiar?

          But critics say they were slow to respond, failed to alert border police until the morning after Madeleine disappeared and have given out little information to help find her.

          The Daily Mirror branded the police "Clueless" in a front page headline.

          Senior officers and diplomats have defended the investigation. They say they are doing all they can, but are prevented by Portuguese law from releasing sensitive operational details.

          "You have a system where the secrecy of justice prevails," Portugal's Ambassador to London Antonio Santana Carlos told BBC radio. "That is a constitutional principle that you cannot change.

          "That is why the investigators cannot disclose the ways and methods that they are pursuing."


          This secrecy crap doesn't seem to work all that well, imo!!!!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 03:19:39 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Check out the videos they have up today of the suicide and car accidents, etc.:

          http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/


          OMG!  That photo we saw was actually him in the act of hanging!

          I thought you couldn't hang yourself if your feet touched the floor/ground because you would involuntarily take the weight off your neck to breathe.

           :shock:

          If someone is under a car, just pull, too, don't move it off them at all?

          Their media is sick and disgusting and a freak show.  And they call ours a circus!  

          But I can't believe the gawking being done to that Arubacide victim.  That is indecent.

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 03:34:21 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Check out the videos they have up today of the suicide and car accidents, etc.:

          http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/


          I wonder what that breaking news story is about.  It got 11 comments and they all seem to be upset about something.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 03:38:21 PM
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Check out the videos they have up today of the suicide and car accidents, etc.:

          http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/


          OMG!  That photo we saw was actually him in the act of hanging!

          I thought you couldn't hang yourself if your feet touched the floor/ground because you would involuntarily take the weight off your neck to breathe.

           :shock:

          If someone is under a car, just pull, too, don't move it off them at all?

          Their media is sick and disgusting and a freak show.  And they call ours a circus!  

          But I can't believe the gawking being done to that Arubacide victim.  That is indecent.

          .


          I'm hoping it wasn't when he was in the act, hoping it was how they found him.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 03:39:41 PM
          Today's suicide appears to have driven an electric car to the site of his demise.

          As you can clearly see on the front wind shield, it says RENT ME.

          The only people renting those things are tourists.

          There is a rental location across from the Allegro / Occidential.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 03:44:14 PM
          Some kind of big fire?

          (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/candelabushiri-front.jpg)

          I wonder what burned.

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 03:46:31 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Today's suicide appears to have driven an electric car to the site of his demise.

          As you can clearly see on the front wind shield, it says RENT ME.

          The only people renting those things are tourists.

          There is a rental location across from the Allegro / Occidential.


          screen capture of vehicle found at suicide seen.

          (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Electriccar2.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 03:46:57 PM
          Oh brother!  We have another set of egos involved with the Maddy McCann investigation.

          PRAIA DA LUZ, Portugal (Reuters) - The head of Portugal's police workers' union on Wednesday defended police in their efforts to find a kidnapped British girl, saying there are cases of missing children in Britain that are never found.

          That gave me a flashback to Nel holding up a newspaper about missing people in Alabama.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 03:49:10 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Oh brother!  We have another set of egos involved with the Maddy McCann investigation.

          PRAIA DA LUZ, Portugal (Reuters) - The head of Portugal's police workers' union on Wednesday defended police in their efforts to find a kidnapped British girl, saying there are cases of missing children in Britain that are never found.

          That gave me a flashback to Nel holding up a newspaper about missing people in Alabama.


          heard that!

          This little girl is not going to be found if they keep this crap up.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: msmarple on May 09, 2007, 03:55:34 PM
          klaas - Diario is updated now, and has a pix of the hanging.

          htthttp://p://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/9/


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: msmarple on May 09, 2007, 03:57:34 PM
          I may have missed something. Is one of the auto fatalities thought to be suicide?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 04:01:09 PM
          Quote from: "msmarple"
          klaas - Diario is updated now, and has a pix of the hanging.

          htthttp://p://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/9/


          Okay, this is gross, but I don't see how a hanging victim could be standing on the ground with his hand in his pocket. :(


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: msmarple on May 09, 2007, 04:01:35 PM
          Here's the online Pap translation:

          oranjestad (aan): tuesday was one night violento! was 11:02 therefore.m. cu owing to achieve know cu a posiblemente owing to comete suicidio at bubali plas at the observation tower at another near of the mill resort. here autoridad owing to come achieve one man horca at the part more abao of the toren. eybanda had one electric car of the compania ec rent aruba cu the number v-5820. till at ciere of edicion awemadruga for 2:00 owing to.m., autoridad not owing to divulga name of the person here, because; cu his family till still not owing to worde notifica. pesey owing to ask daily paper for not divulga this still. but the is one person of aruba, y have indicacion cu recien past owing to cumpra one of the autonan electrico here for of the compania. recherche y personal tecnico of police owing to bay at the lugar for investiga all detaye, for check if the is one suicidio or one homicidio. in the car electrico can owing to see one ice-jug y some cups. the was miss one keds at his leg, y had one serbette lora rond of uno of they. funeraria zepp wever owing to transporta the restonan deadly. at family of fayecido is bay word of condolencia.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 04:01:51 PM
          (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Arubasuicidebyhanging8.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 04:03:14 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Check out the videos they have up today of the suicide and car accidents, etc.:

          http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/


          I wonder what that breaking news story is about.  It got 11 comments and they all seem to be upset about something.

          The breaking news story was up last night.  I think it pertained to 3 deaths, or injuries...the suicide, a car accident and something else.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: msmarple on May 09, 2007, 04:03:17 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "msmarple"
          klaas - Diario is updated now, and has a pix of the hanging.

          htthttp://p://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/9/


          Okay, this is gross, but I don't see how a hanging victim could be standing on the ground with his hand in his pocket. :(


          I agree. There were odd things about one of these previous hanging suicides, and I think hand-in-pocket was one of them.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 04:04:37 PM
          Quote from: "msmarple"
          Here's the online Pap translation:

          oranjestad (aan): tuesday was one night violento! was 11:02 therefore.m. cu owing to achieve know cu a posiblemente owing to comete suicidio at bubali plas at the observation tower at another near of the mill resort. here autoridad owing to come achieve one man horca at the part more abao of the toren. eybanda had one electric car of the compania ec rent aruba cu the number v-5820. till at ciere of edicion awemadruga for 2:00 owing to.m., autoridad not owing to divulga name of the person here, because; cu his family till still not owing to worde notifica. pesey owing to ask daily paper for not divulga this still. but the is one person of aruba, y have indicacion cu recien past owing to cumpra one of the autonan electrico here for of the compania. recherche y personal tecnico of police owing to bay at the lugar for investiga all detaye, for check if the is one suicidio or one homicidio. in the car electrico can owing to see one ice-jug y some cups. the was miss one keds at his leg, y had one serbette lora rond of uno of they. funeraria zepp wever owing to transporta the restonan deadly. at family of fayecido is bay word of condolencia.


          WoW... we were just talking about that observation tower the other day.

          Strange place to pick if you ask me.. but no one did... :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: msmarple on May 09, 2007, 04:06:03 PM
          Diario photo:

          (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/cli2/hanging5_9.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kimmy53 on May 09, 2007, 04:06:24 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Oh brother!  We have another set of egos involved with the Maddy McCann investigation.

          PRAIA DA LUZ, Portugal (Reuters) - The head of Portugal's police workers' union on Wednesday defended police in their efforts to find a kidnapped British girl, saying there are cases of missing children in Britain that are never found.

          That gave me a flashback to Nel holding up a newspaper about missing people in Alabama.


          Good Golly Moses!  WTF is WRONG with people?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 04:07:13 PM
          For some reason that suicide looks staged to me. I am not a medical examiner, but it doesn't look right...jmo.

          hands in pockets

          not really off the ground

          if you were going to pick the observation tower, why not just jump?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 04:09:11 PM
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Some kind of big fire?

          (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/candelabushiri-front.jpg)

          I wonder what burned.

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 04:13:29 PM
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Some kind of big fire?

          (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/candelabushiri-front.jpg)

          I wonder what burned.

          .

          Probably the entire dossier in the case  :wink:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 04:15:25 PM
          Very Interesting..More suicides..And by hanging as well..Hmmmmm


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 04:15:56 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Some kind of big fire?

          (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/candelabushiri-front.jpg)

          I wonder what burned.

          .

          Probably the entire dossier in the case  :wink:


          And all the new samples the Dutch just collected.   :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 04:26:00 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Oh brother!  We have another set of egos involved with the Maddy McCann investigation.

          PRAIA DA LUZ, Portugal (Reuters) - The head of Portugal's police workers' union on Wednesday defended police in their efforts to find a kidnapped British girl, saying there are cases of missing children in Britain that are never found.

          That gave me a flashback to Nel holding up a newspaper about missing people in Alabama.


          heard that!

          This little girl is not going to be found if they keep this crap up.


          That's for sure!  These countries are going to get into a pissin' match and nothing is going to happen in the case.  We will probably later learn the son of a judge has a little problem.....


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kimmy53 on May 09, 2007, 04:28:08 PM
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Some kind of big fire?

          (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/candelabushiri-front.jpg)

          I wonder what burned.

          .

          Probably the entire dossier in the case  :wink:


          And all the new samples the Dutch just collected.   :lol:


          Anita's Bra Collection  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: LilPuma on May 09, 2007, 04:34:49 PM
          Just doing a quick drive through to see if Joran and Paulus had been bagged and tagged yet.  I see the suicide rate in Aruba is going up.  Sorry I missed Klaas's absence today, I love those banana daquiri parties!  Glad someone picked up that Jonathon45 post on the FP.  I wonder if he knows more.  Praying for Madeleine McCann (sp?) and that the NFI guys can get the job done.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 04:35:52 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Oh brother!  We have another set of egos involved with the Maddy McCann investigation.

          PRAIA DA LUZ, Portugal (Reuters) - The head of Portugal's police workers' union on Wednesday defended police in their efforts to find a kidnapped British girl, saying there are cases of missing children in Britain that are never found.

          That gave me a flashback to Nel holding up a newspaper about missing people in Alabama.


          heard that!

          This little girl is not going to be found if they keep this crap up.


          That's for sure!  These countries are going to get into a pissin' match and nothing is going to happen in the case.  We will probably later learn the son of a judge has a little problem.....


          Easy- they have a composite sketch they are not releasing and they are hiding behind secrecy laws. For three days the LE said she was in a three mile radius, and now there is a person that came forward and says he or she saw a man and a lil girl 300 miles away that match the description. Focused on the wrong locale has cost them time.

          This is going to have a bad ending I'm afraid.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 04:38:02 PM
          Something about that accident video made me think of Brother Dave Gardner’s Motorcycle Story.  Anyone remember that one? lol lol


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 04:38:58 PM
          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/108992494P7650347691.jpg)

          Ran into this picture with Satish and his homies(Kawish)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 04:39:32 PM
          the victim here...

          something aint right

          normal reaction would be to put hands over neck once the CHOKING started.


          hand in pocket ????????????????

          BS


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Spock on May 09, 2007, 04:40:16 PM
          Update: The Dutch investigative team have ordered a second case of suntan lotion and have had to open another tab at C&C.  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 04:41:05 PM
          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/DompigandRudy.jpg)

          Shield Group Article in todays Bon Dia
          Article in other paper about Rudy Croes retiring as well..


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kimmy53 on May 09, 2007, 04:41:36 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Oh brother!  We have another set of egos involved with the Maddy McCann investigation.

          PRAIA DA LUZ, Portugal (Reuters) - The head of Portugal's police workers' union on Wednesday defended police in their efforts to find a kidnapped British girl, saying there are cases of missing children in Britain that are never found.

          That gave me a flashback to Nel holding up a newspaper about missing people in Alabama.


          heard that!

          This little girl is not going to be found if they keep this crap up.


          That's for sure!  These countries are going to get into a pissin' match and nothing is going to happen in the case.  We will probably later learn the son of a judge has a little problem.....


          Easy- they have a composite sketch they are not releasing and they are hiding behind secrecy laws. For three days the LE said she was in a three mile radius, and now there is a person that came forward and says he or she saw a man and a lil girl 300 miles away that match the description. Focused on the wrong locale has cost them time.

          This is going to have a bad ending I'm afraid.


          What Good does "SECRECY" do??? ESPECIALLY When you are looking for a missing person?  WTF? WTF? WTF?
           :evil:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 04:41:49 PM
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Update: The Dutch investigative team have ordered a second case of suntan lotion and have had to open another tab at C&C.  :lol:


           :lol:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 04:47:09 PM
          i heard a rumor that GUIDO and JORAN were rubbing sun tan lotion on each other


          course, this is just a rumor  :twisted:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 04:47:53 PM
          Quote from: "*******"


          Shield Group Article in todays Bon Dia
          Article in other paper about Rudy Croes retiring as well..

          So Rudy is retiring.

          Let's see who retired in this whole case.

          Van der Straten
          Karin Janssen
          Gerald Dompig
          Bernadina

          Did they all cash in or what.  Was it a big payoff for a job well done.  Enquieing minds want to know.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 04:49:03 PM
          Quote from: "robots"
          i heard a rumor that GUIDO and JORAN were rubbing sun tan lotion on each other


          course, this is just a rumor  :twisted:

          I can see Klaas' next picture. :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 04:52:54 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "robots"
          i heard a rumor that GUIDO and JORAN were rubbing sun tan lotion on each other


          course, this is just a rumor  :twisted:

          I can see Klaas' next picture. :lol:


          hmmmmmmmm
          YES


          if spock isnt careful, i will bring up the SHOES again  :twisted:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 04:55:24 PM
          Alright found the pic I was looking for with Joran and Koen..
          I would guess and say Koen is 6'1 or so and Joran about 6'4..
          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/thJoranKoen.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: JusticeforNatalee on May 09, 2007, 04:56:27 PM
          zapatos, pattini, schoenen, schuhe, chaussures! LOL
           :)  :)  :)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 04:57:15 PM
          Quote from: "*******"
          Alright found the pic I was looking for with Joran and Koen..
          I would guess and say Koen is 6'1 or so and Joran about 6'4..
          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/thJoranKoen.jpg)

          I would agree with that.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Spock on May 09, 2007, 05:03:21 PM
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Update: The Dutch investigative team have ordered a second case of suntan lotion and have had to open another tab at C&C.  :lol:

          Seriously guys, I read the NH team in Aruba is about 8-10 Dutchman and an equal number of Arubans. Of the eight or so dutchman, half were forensics experts brought in for the VDS home search. It is my opinion, those experts, dogs, and gear, are simply too expensive to have sitting around for two weeks. I surmise that part of the team has been back in Holland since the search, waiting to be recalled (as necessary). I think a few people have remained to conduct interviews and develop leads, but forensics left with the samples. IMO.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 05:06:54 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "robots"
          i heard a rumor that GUIDO and JORAN were rubbing sun tan lotion on each other


          course, this is just a rumor  :twisted:

          I can see Klaas' next picture. :lol:


          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranGuidoGay.jpg)

          Not that there's anything wrong with it.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 05:07:39 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "robots"
          i heard a rumor that GUIDO and JORAN were rubbing sun tan lotion on each other


          course, this is just a rumor  :twisted:

          I can see Klaas' next picture. :lol:


          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranGuidoGay.jpg)

          Not that there's anything wrong with it.




           8)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 05:13:42 PM
          Heres a nice pic of Freddy and his brother if you guys havent seen it..

          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/Freddyandhisbrother.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Dayhiker on May 09, 2007, 05:17:47 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          For some reason that suicide looks staged to me. I am not a medical examiner, but it doesn't look right...jmo.

          hands in pockets

          not really off the ground

          if you were going to pick the observation tower, why not just jump?



          If he commited suicide he wanted to look cool doing it. Agree Rob, what's with the hand in the pocket?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Dayhiker on May 09, 2007, 05:18:46 PM
          Quote from: "Kimmy53"
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Some kind of big fire?

          (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/candelabushiri-front.jpg)

          I wonder what burned.

          .

          Probably the entire dossier in the case  :wink:


          And all the new samples the Dutch just collected.   :lol:


          Anita's Bra Collection  :lol:



          LOL Kimmy!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Spock on May 09, 2007, 05:18:50 PM
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Update: The Dutch investigative team have ordered a second case of suntan lotion and have had to open another tab at C&C.  :lol:

          Seriously guys, I read the NH team in Aruba is about 8-10 Dutchman and an equal number of Arubans. Of the eight or so dutchman, half were forensics experts brought in for the VDS home search. It is my opinion, those experts, dogs, and gear, are simply too expensive to have sitting around for two weeks. I surmise that part of the team has been back in Holland since the search, waiting to be recalled (as necessary). I think a few people have remained to conduct interviews and develop leads, but forensics left with the samples. IMO.

          So I think what we have now is the ALE team plus about four Dutchman reviewing the case. Not exactly what I expected.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 05:19:46 PM
          ******* - yep..seen it analyzed it etc etc.  It's from Sasha's birthday party.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 05:20:22 PM
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Update: The Dutch investigative team have ordered a second case of suntan lotion and have had to open another tab at C&C.  :lol:

          Seriously guys, I read the NH team in Aruba is about 8-10 Dutchman and an equal number of Arubans. Of the eight or so dutchman, half were forensics experts brought in for the VDS home search. It is my opinion, those experts, dogs, and gear, are simply too expensive to have sitting around for two weeks. I surmise that part of the team has been back in Holland since the search, waiting to be recalled (as necessary). I think a few people have remained to conduct interviews and develop leads, but forensics left with the samples. IMO.

          So I think what we have now is the ALE team plus about four Dutchman reviewing the case. Not exactly what I expected.

          Are you guessing or do you have some kind of inside information?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Dayhiker on May 09, 2007, 05:21:03 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "*******"


          Shield Group Article in todays Bon Dia
          Article in other paper about Rudy Croes retiring as well..

          So Rudy is retiring.

          Let's see who retired in this whole case.

          Van der Straten
          Karin Janssen
          Gerald Dompig
          Bernadina

          Did they all cash in or what.  Was it a big payoff for a job well done.  Enquieing minds want to know.



          Oduber is next, but it won't be voluntary.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 05:21:53 PM
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Update: The Dutch investigative team have ordered a second case of suntan lotion and have had to open another tab at C&C.  :lol:

          Seriously guys, I read the NH team in Aruba is about 8-10 Dutchman and an equal number of Arubans. Of the eight or so dutchman, half were forensics experts brought in for the VDS home search. It is my opinion, those experts, dogs, and gear, are simply too expensive to have sitting around for two weeks. I surmise that part of the team has been back in Holland since the search, waiting to be recalled (as necessary). I think a few people have remained to conduct interviews and develop leads, but forensics left with the samples. IMO.


          Spock-
          I agree, and sooner later I should say ~ by now - if this is a high priority case, the forensics should be back.

          I'm not at all optimistic.

          I don't think they have anything at all. I'm sorry to say.

          I know some are hopeful that something is going to happen at any moment, but I don't think so.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 05:23:04 PM
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Update: The Dutch investigative team have ordered a second case of suntan lotion and have had to open another tab at C&C.  :lol:

          Seriously guys, I read the NH team in Aruba is about 8-10 Dutchman and an equal number of Arubans. Of the eight or so dutchman, half were forensics experts brought in for the VDS home search. It is my opinion, those experts, dogs, and gear, are simply too expensive to have sitting around for two weeks. I surmise that part of the team has been back in Holland since the search, waiting to be recalled (as necessary). I think a few people have remained to conduct interviews and develop leads, but forensics left with the samples. IMO.

          So I think what we have now is the ALE team plus about four Dutchman reviewing the case. Not exactly what I expected.


          Where did you read that? At one time they had a total of 32 on the ground when they searched the house. I agree the forensic team is back in Aruba and some of the KLPD is in Aruba. I thought it was more like 18 Investigators and 14 Forensic Experts the day of the search.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Spock on May 09, 2007, 05:24:29 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Update: The Dutch investigative team have ordered a second case of suntan lotion and have had to open another tab at C&C.  :lol:

          Seriously guys, I read the NH team in Aruba is about 8-10 Dutchman and an equal number of Arubans. Of the eight or so dutchman, half were forensics experts brought in for the VDS home search. It is my opinion, those experts, dogs, and gear, are simply too expensive to have sitting around for two weeks. I surmise that part of the team has been back in Holland since the search, waiting to be recalled (as necessary). I think a few people have remained to conduct interviews and develop leads, but forensics left with the samples. IMO.

          So I think what we have now is the ALE team plus about four Dutchman reviewing the case. Not exactly what I expected.

          Are you guessing or do you have some kind of inside information?

          This is my best educated guess. I have worked in forensics and it is reasonable to assume that part of the team left with the samples.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 05:26:57 PM
          Spock - gotcha..you are most likely correct.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Spock on May 09, 2007, 05:27:27 PM
          Quote from: "*******"
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Update: The Dutch investigative team have ordered a second case of suntan lotion and have had to open another tab at C&C.  :lol:

          Seriously guys, I read the NH team in Aruba is about 8-10 Dutchman and an equal number of Arubans. Of the eight or so dutchman, half were forensics experts brought in for the VDS home search. It is my opinion, those experts, dogs, and gear, are simply too expensive to have sitting around for two weeks. I surmise that part of the team has been back in Holland since the search, waiting to be recalled (as necessary). I think a few people have remained to conduct interviews and develop leads, but forensics left with the samples. IMO.

          So I think what we have now is the ALE team plus about four Dutchman reviewing the case. Not exactly what I expected.


          Where did you read that? At one time they had a total of 32 on the ground when they searched the house. I agree the forensic team is back in Aruba and some of the KLPD is in Aruba. I thought it was more like 18 Investigators and 14 Forensic Experts the day of the search.


          No, it was 8-10 Dutchman and an equal number of Arubans.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 05:28:42 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "robots"
          i heard a rumor that GUIDO and JORAN were rubbing sun tan lotion on each other


          course, this is just a rumor  :twisted:

          I can see Klaas' next picture. :lol:


          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranGuidoGay.jpg)

          Not that there's anything wrong with it.

          I just finished eating dinner and this is what I came back to. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 05:29:09 PM
          Where did you read that? At one time they had a total of 32 on the ground when they searched the house. I agree the forensic team is back in Aruba and some of the KLPD is in Aruba. I thought it was more like 18 Investigators and 14 Forensic Experts the day of the search.
          _________________

          PFF!! I meant I agree most are back in Holland especially the Forensic Experts. My guess is a team of at least 10 from the KLPD is still in Aruba Investigating.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 05:33:12 PM
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Update: The Dutch investigative team have ordered a second case of suntan lotion and have had to open another tab at C&C.  :lol:

          Seriously guys, I read the NH team in Aruba is about 8-10 Dutchman and an equal number of Arubans. Of the eight or so dutchman, half were forensics experts brought in for the VDS home search. It is my opinion, those experts, dogs, and gear, are simply too expensive to have sitting around for two weeks. I surmise that part of the team has been back in Holland since the search, waiting to be recalled (as necessary). I think a few people have remained to conduct interviews and develop leads, but forensics left with the samples. IMO.

          This is why I don't trust this investigation.  Once you have the ALE involved you can forget about things being a secret.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 05:33:50 PM
          Running to the store, only picking up one item - feel free to time me, LOL  :lol:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 05:35:25 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Running to the store, only picking up one item - feel free to time me, LOL  :lol:  :lol:

          OK.  I'll give you 12 minuties.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 05:43:34 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Running to the store, only picking up one item - feel free to time me, LOL  :lol:  :lol:

          OK.  I'll give you 12 minuties.

          I think Klaas is going to lose.  She is not making it back in 12 minutes :lol: .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 05:44:45 PM
          I thought it was 8-10 investigators arrived the first night and then just before the search another group arrived.

          The "About Us:" section of 24ora is written in English.  I filled out their form email under "Contact Us:" and asked about an English version.  Maybe if they thought there was enough interest they would do that.  They appear to be innovative and focused on the internet market.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 05:47:07 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Running to the store, only picking up one item - feel free to time me, LOL  :lol:  :lol:

          Back :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 05:48:27 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Running to the store, only picking up one item - feel free to time me, LOL  :lol:  :lol:

          Back :lol:

          I gave you 12 minutes and you didn't make it back on time.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 05:51:31 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Running to the store, only picking up one item - feel free to time me, LOL  :lol:  :lol:

          Back :lol:

          I gave you 12 minutes and you didn't make it back on time.

          I'll try to do better next time. :wink:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 09, 2007, 05:52:10 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Running to the store, only picking up one item - feel free to time me, LOL  :lol:  :lol:

          Back :lol:

          I gave you 12 minutes and you didn't make it back on time.


          (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l5/2NJSons_Mom/grumpy2.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 05:52:12 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Running to the store, only picking up one item - feel free to time me, LOL  :lol:  :lol:

          Back :lol:

          I gave you 12 minutes and you didn't make it back on time.

          I'll try to do better next time. :wink:  :lol:

           :lol:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 05:52:53 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          I thought it was 8-10 investigators arrived the first night and then just before the search another group arrived.

          The "About Us:" section of 24ora is written in English.  I filled out their form email under "Contact Us:" and asked about an English version.  Maybe if they thought there was enough interest they would do that.  They appear to be innovative and focused on the internet market.


          Yes you are right..I counted a total of 32 total. I coulda sworn the first 8-10 were backed up by a second group of Investigators of the same amt . Not Including the Forensic experts. All i can find at the moment is amigoes article of at least 20 doing the search.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 05:53:38 PM
          Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Running to the store, only picking up one item - feel free to time me, LOL  :lol:  :lol:

          Back :lol:

          I gave you 12 minutes and you didn't make it back on time.


          (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l5/2NJSons_Mom/grumpy2.jpg)

          OMG I'm sitting here wearing my Grumpy T-Shirt :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 09, 2007, 05:53:46 PM
          Hey, Klaas, I think I was missing a tag on that image....


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 05:57:49 PM
          Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
          Hey, Klaas, I think I was missing a tag on that image....

          Yes, I saw it and fixed it  :wink:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 09, 2007, 05:58:02 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"


          (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l5/2NJSons_Mom/grumpy2.jpg)

          OMG I'm sitting here wearing my Grumpy T-Shirt :lol:


          It's so clear today I could see that... :lol:  :lol:  8)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 09, 2007, 05:59:13 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
          Hey, Klaas, I think I was missing a tag on that image....

          Yes, I saw it and fixed it  :wink:


          You're always a step ahead of me...I should have counted to 3... :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 06:02:57 PM
          I would be interested to hear what others have to say about the search and will it lead anywhere...

          The fact that they did not seem to search anywhere but the VDS home and maybe the dunes, (that we know about) leads me to believe that there was at least one location they knew about but did not search... that would be the grave Dompig suggested existed.

          Interviews are obviously a good thing, but without physical evidence, and two years too late, leaves me with little optimism.

          Also, the Holland witness that got the ball rolling may have only known about something at the house and did not see it personally.

          I hope I'm wrong about what might be coming.. or should I say, not coming.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 06:05:53 PM
          Quote from: "*******"
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Update: The Dutch investigative team have ordered a second case of suntan lotion and have had to open another tab at C&C.  :lol:

          Seriously guys, I read the NH team in Aruba is about 8-10 Dutchman and an equal number of Arubans. Of the eight or so dutchman, half were forensics experts brought in for the VDS home search. It is my opinion, those experts, dogs, and gear, are simply too expensive to have sitting around for two weeks. I surmise that part of the team has been back in Holland since the search, waiting to be recalled (as necessary). I think a few people have remained to conduct interviews and develop leads, but forensics left with the samples. IMO.

          So I think what we have now is the ALE team plus about four Dutchman reviewing the case. Not exactly what I expected.


          Where did you read that? At one time they had a total of 32 on the ground when they searched the house. I agree the forensic team is back in Aruba and some of the KLPD is in Aruba. I thought it was more like 18 Investigators and 14 Forensic Experts the day of the search.



          I remember it as 8-10 KLPD who called in 8 more from The NL and they were working with 8-10 Arubans who are NOT the same as the ALE who worked the case originally.

          It would make sense to send the forensics team back and the remainder have the corruption case to be investigating as well.  Guess they might be working on that while waiting for results of the samples taken previously.

          Maybe the forensic team will return with the results if further forensics are needed.  IF THEY ARE NOT STILL THERE already.

          But they are supposed to be investigating both cases.

          .

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 06:07:00 PM
          Hi gang...

          Just peeking in

          Have we heard anything from Peaches??

          I have a drop off for  CBB's collection.
          (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/sidingbum/ththyg105.gif)  


          (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/sidingbum/682453e3c3f274ee4ae03ae5454634a0.gif)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 06:07:45 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          I would be interested to hear what others have to say about the search and will it lead anywhere...

          The fact that they did not seem to search anywhere but the VDS home and maybe the dunes, (that we know about) leads me to believe that there was at least one location they knew about but did not search... that would be the grave Dompig suggested existed.

          Interviews are obviously a good thing, but without physical evidence, and two years too late, leaves me with little optimism.

          Also, the Holland witness that got the ball rolling may have only known about something at the house and did not see it personally.

          I hope I'm wrong about what might be coming.. or should I say, not coming.

          Short and sweet.  The fact that they did not dig up the pool leaves me to believe that they will close this case.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 06:11:12 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          I would be interested to hear what others have to say about the search and will it lead anywhere...

          The fact that they did not seem to search anywhere but the VDS home and maybe the dunes, (that we know about) leads me to believe that there was at least one location they knew about but did not search... that would be the grave Dompig suggested existed.

          Interviews are obviously a good thing, but without physical evidence, and two years too late, leaves me with little optimism.

          Also, the Holland witness that got the ball rolling may have only known about something at the house and did not see it personally.

          I hope I'm wrong about what might be coming.. or should I say, not coming.

          Short and sweet.  The fact that they did not dig up the pool leaves me to believe that they will close this case.

          If they had sonar equipment, they may not need to dig anything up right now.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 06:12:12 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
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          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 06:14:47 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          I would be interested to hear what others have to say about the search and will it lead anywhere...

          The fact that they did not seem to search anywhere but the VDS home and maybe the dunes, (that we know about) leads me to believe that there was at least one location they knew about but did not search... that would be the grave Dompig suggested existed.

          Interviews are obviously a good thing, but without physical evidence, and two years too late, leaves me with little optimism.

          Also, the Holland witness that got the ball rolling may have only known about something at the house and did not see it personally.

          I hope I'm wrong about what might be coming.. or should I say, not coming.

          Short and sweet.  The fact that they did not dig up the pool leaves me to believe that they will close this case.

          If they had sonar equipment, they may not need to dig anything up right now.

          Klaas doesn't that sound like the F16's flying over.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 06:15:31 PM
          Quote from: "*******"
          Alright found the pic I was looking for with Joran and Koen..
          I would guess and say Koen is 6'1 or so and Joran about 6'4..
          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/thJoranKoen.jpg)


          Or 5'10" and 6'2".  Joran isn't 6'5" IMO.

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 06:16:14 PM
          San - no..I don't look at it the same at all.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 06:18:53 PM
          Can that sonar really see through concrete?

          I think it can see beneath hard dirt and even some rocks.. but concrete?

          Does anyone know the answer to that?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 06:20:35 PM
          Well, if they don't find anything, they don't find anything.

          I think I will write to Peter Devries website and complain about their not digging up the concrete just to try to peak his interest.

          Perhaps he can be persuaded to do that follow up program when this search is concluded if it is inconclusive.

          And we sit and wait for Joran to get drunk enough to reveal all.  It will happen sooner or later.

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tylergal on May 09, 2007, 06:20:48 PM
          Quote from: "*******"
          Alright found the pic I was looking for with Joran and Koen..
          I would guess and say Koen is 6'1 or so and Joran about 6'4..
          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/thJoranKoen.jpg)


          I would guess Koen is up to about 310 and wears an XXXL.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 06:21:14 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          San - no..I don't look at it the same at all.

          OK we shall see what happens.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 06:22:37 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Can that sonar really see through concrete?

          I think it can see beneath hard dirt and even some rocks.. but concrete?

          Does anyone know the answer to that?

          Not sure but I found this site interresting:

          http://www.sonarimaging.com/welcome_video.html


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 06:22:42 PM
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Well, if they don't find anything, they don't find anything.

          I think I will write to Peter Devries website and complain about their not digging up the concrete just to try to peak his interest.

          Perhaps he can be persuaded to do that follow up program when this search is concluded if it is inconclusive.

          And we sit and wait for Joran to get drunk enough to reveal all.  It will happen sooner or later.

          .


          about 5 kunuku moonshines should do it!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 06:23:07 PM
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Quote from: "*******"
          Alright found the pic I was looking for with Joran and Koen..
          I would guess and say Koen is 6'1 or so and Joran about 6'4..
          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/thJoranKoen.jpg)


          Or 5'10" and 6'2".  Joran isn't 6'5" IMO.

          .


          Hi Anna :D

          I beleave Joran is easily 6'3 to 6'5

          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/CafeBahia-July212006.jpg)
          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/39461424P7915988549.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 06:23:09 PM
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Quote from: "*******"
          Alright found the pic I was looking for with Joran and Koen..
          I would guess and say Koen is 6'1 or so and Joran about 6'4..
          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/thJoranKoen.jpg)


          I would guess Koen is up to about 310 and wears an XXXL.

          I thought that was Anita :lol: .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tylergal on May 09, 2007, 06:25:01 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Quote from: "*******"
          Alright found the pic I was looking for with Joran and Koen..
          I would guess and say Koen is 6'1 or so and Joran about 6'4..
          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/thJoranKoen.jpg)


          I would guess Koen is up to about 310 and wears an XXXL.

          I thought that was Anita :lol: .


          I bet his breasts are larger than hers. :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 06:25:13 PM
          Does anyone recall the name of the newsproducer woman that committed suicide?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Spock on May 09, 2007, 06:25:31 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Can that sonar really see through concrete?

          I think it can see beneath hard dirt and even some rocks.. but concrete?

          Does anyone know the answer to that?

          Different frequencies can see to different depths. It is possible to see hard objects beneath the concrete but not fabric or plastic items. The best method is to remove the concrete then scan. In that case, you can not miss anything.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 06:25:40 PM
          http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5446461.html

          And this patent:

          Concrete penetrating imaging radar Document Type and Number:United States Patent 5446461

          page:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5446461.html

          Abstract:An imaging radar system for generating images of objects disposed behind an obscuring structure. The system comprises a low power, frequency tunable, continuous wave transmitter and an antenna array coupled to the transmitter that includes a transmit antenna and a plurality of receive antennas. A radar receiver is coupled to the antenna array, and a computer processor is coupled to the radar receiver that comprises a digital signal processor and a computer. A radar display is coupled to the computer for displaying the images of the objects disposed behind an obscuring structure. A power source is coupled to the antenna array, the transmitter, the radar receiver, and the computer processor for providing power thereto. Time difference of arrival processing is performed in the computer for providing radar angle scanning upon receipt of radar return signals from the objects using the antenna array. The present radar provides angle resolution on the order of 5 to 10 degrees, depending upon the spacing of the antennas.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 06:26:01 PM
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Quote from: "*******"
          Alright found the pic I was looking for with Joran and Koen..
          I would guess and say Koen is 6'1 or so and Joran about 6'4..
          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/thJoranKoen.jpg)


          I would guess Koen is up to about 310 and wears an XXXL.

          I thought that was Anita :lol: .


          I bet his breasts are larger than hers. :lol:

           :lol:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 06:27:35 PM
          http://www.gp-radar.com/concrete_x_ray.htm

          As an alternative to concrete x-ray, ground penetrating radar can see through asphalt and concrete to detect subsurface objects and determine the condition and thickness of the material examined. Rather than concrete x-ray, GPR uses a noninvasive electromagnetic geophysical technique which has the highest resolution of any geophysical method. GPR (and not concrete x-ray) also uses scattering to image, locate and measure spot changes in the ground. Scattering results when an electromagnetic wave locates a change in electrical or magnetic subsurface material


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 06:28:04 PM
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Can that sonar really see through concrete?

          I think it can see beneath hard dirt and even some rocks.. but concrete?

          Does anyone know the answer to that?

          Different frequencies can see to different depths. It is possible to see hard objects beneath the concrete but not fabric or plastic items. The best method is to remove the concrete then scan. In that case, you can not miss anything.


          Thank you Spock.

          How about just ripping up the concrete and carefully cracking it to see if anything is in there? Wouldn't that be the best way? old school? to make sure nothing is missed?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 06:28:06 PM
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Can that sonar really see through concrete?

          I think it can see beneath hard dirt and even some rocks.. but concrete?

          Does anyone know the answer to that?

          Different frequencies can see to different depths. It is possible to see hard objects beneath the concrete but not fabric or plastic items. The best method is to remove the concrete then scan. In that case, you can not miss anything.


          I saw a show on this last year. GPR can see up to 10 feet below concrete to locate a body. My concern is that the backhoe used at the VDS property dug deeper than that.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 06:29:03 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Quote from: "*******"
          Alright found the pic I was looking for with Joran and Koen..
          I would guess and say Koen is 6'1 or so and Joran about 6'4..
          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/thJoranKoen.jpg)


          I would guess Koen is up to about 310 and wears an XXXL.

          I thought that was Anita :lol: .


          ******* seems to think Anita is also 6'1" as she is about the same height as Koen compared to Joran.   :roll: And yet we saw she is closer to Greta's height which is only around 5' to 5'2" tops.

          Koen is NOT 6'1" and is short/medium height and very stocky and getting stockier.  The Kalpoes are prolly a little over 5" like maybe 5'6".

          But Koen and Anita are about the same height compared to Joran.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 06:30:41 PM
          Quote from: "*******"
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Can that sonar really see through concrete?

          I think it can see beneath hard dirt and even some rocks.. but concrete?

          Does anyone know the answer to that?

          Different frequencies can see to different depths. It is possible to see hard objects beneath the concrete but not fabric or plastic items. The best method is to remove the concrete then scan. In that case, you can not miss anything.


          I saw a show on this last year. GPR can see up to 10 feet below concrete to locate a body. My concern is that the backhoe used at the VDS property dug deeper than that.


          So the consensus is that it can see through concrete... it must not have revealed anything unusual.

          Klaas' info seems to seal it.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: igsigs on May 09, 2007, 06:34:33 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          I would be interested to hear what others have to say about the search and will it lead anywhere...

          The KLPD are taking this VERY serious. That is what i have heard, and that is what i believe. It is 2 years too late but if this case is in any way salvagable i think they will get it done.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 06:35:39 PM
          Koen looks taller to me than Anita:

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranMarch2005.jpg)

          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/thJoranKoen.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 06:36:30 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Does anyone recall the name of the newsproducer woman that committed suicide?

          Here is the link to the article about the producer who committed suicide.

          http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=96986#96986


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 06:37:59 PM
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Quote from: "*******"
          Alright found the pic I was looking for with Joran and Koen..
          I would guess and say Koen is 6'1 or so and Joran about 6'4..
          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/thJoranKoen.jpg)


          I would guess Koen is up to about 310 and wears an XXXL.

          I thought that was Anita :lol: .


          ******* seems to think Anita is also 6'1" as she is about the same height as Koen compared to Joran.   :roll: And yet we saw she is closer to Greta's height which is only around 5' to 5'2" tops.

          Koen is NOT 6'1" and is short/medium height and very stocky and getting stockier.  The Kalpoes are prolly a little over 5" like maybe 5'6".

          But Koen and Anita are about the same height compared to Joran.


          Yup I am convinced Joran is at least 6'3. No doubt in my mind..Where did I say anita was 6'1????If what you are saying is true than deepak would be under 5 feet tall..LOL!!
          BTW:Satish is much taller than deepak..Anna Pics can be deceiving so you have to look at all of them as people slouch..etc.

          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/39461424P7915988549.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 06:38:45 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Does anyone recall the name of the newsproducer woman that committed suicide?

          Here is the link to the article about the producer who committed suicide.

          http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=96986#96986


          thank you San...

          Igsigs- thank you too.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Spock on May 09, 2007, 06:39:02 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          http://www.gp-radar.com/concrete_x_ray.htm

          As an alternative to concrete x-ray, ground penetrating radar can see through asphalt and concrete to detect subsurface objects and determine the condition and thickness of the material examined. Rather than concrete x-ray, GPR uses a noninvasive electromagnetic geophysical technique which has the highest resolution of any geophysical method. GPR (and not concrete x-ray) also uses scattering to image, locate and measure spot changes in the ground. Scattering results when an electromagnetic wave locates a change in electrical or magnetic subsurface material

          Excellent Klaas, very scientific.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 06:42:06 PM
          Anna..LOL!! Koen is much taller than Anita..


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 06:42:15 PM
          *******,
          It doesn't really matter how tall Joran is as relates to this crime but I believe n the photo you posted, he is actually sitting in Koen's lap is why he is so much taller.   :roll: Always touchy feely with the guys, ya know.  Not that there's anything wrong with that!

          But this photo shows them the same height.  Can't tell from photos much.

          (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/JoranKoen072606.gif)

          Like the shoes, it is hard to tell from photos unless you have an known point of origin or reference.

          .

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tylergal on May 09, 2007, 06:44:16 PM
          Quote from: "Spock"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          http://www.gp-radar.com/concrete_x_ray.htm

          As an alternative to concrete x-ray, ground penetrating radar can see through asphalt and concrete to detect subsurface objects and determine the condition and thickness of the material examined. Rather than concrete x-ray, GPR uses a noninvasive electromagnetic geophysical technique which has the highest resolution of any geophysical method. GPR (and not concrete x-ray) also uses scattering to image, locate and measure spot changes in the ground. Scattering results when an electromagnetic wave locates a change in electrical or magnetic subsurface material

          Excellent Klaas, very scientific.


          Isn't GPR what (supposedly) the Dutch planes that flew over the the queen's pleasure  :roll:  had and found nothing?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: yapperz1 on May 09, 2007, 06:47:12 PM
          Evening Monkeys

          About the search at the VDS dump..

          In this video you hear Orando Salinas reporting from Aruba about the dogs used in the search. He plainly states he heard some of them bark. Cadaver/drug/search dogs DO NOT ALERT unless they detect something.
          IMO they found something there.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv4-VB_FvaY&mode=related&search=

          1:05 into the video is where he starts talking about the dogs


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 06:48:08 PM
          Here is a video that shows just how easy it is to launch a boat on Aruba.

          http://dabble.com/node/7513368


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 06:48:44 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Koen looks taller to me than Anita:

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranMarch2005.jpg)

          (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/thJoranKoen.jpg)


          Notice Joran has his arm around Koen's shoulder but Koen has his around Joran's waist.  I think the Sporter is sitting in Koen's lap.

          Enlarge and look closer.

           :shock:

          Not that there is anything wrong with that.

          *******,

          I'd go 6'3" as his max height as well.

          And yes, I have been looking at his ugly photos for almost two years now just as you have.

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: igsigs on May 09, 2007, 06:53:28 PM
          Good chance that the KLPD have never seen a case labeled as *cold* that has so many lying suspects with contradictory statements. That is because a case like that is usually solved. Every liar and every lie presents an opportunity to find the truth.

          Joran's problematic nature ensures that this case will remain *hot* for eternity. That is Aruba's nightmare...and they are just starting to figure that out.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 06:54:23 PM
          Quote from: "yapperz1"
          Evening Monkeys

          About the search at the VDS dump..

          In this video you hear Orando Salinas reporting from Aruba about the dogs used in the search. He plainly states he heard some of them bark. Cadaver/drug/search dogs DO NOT ALERT unless they detect something.
          IMO they found something there.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv4-VB_FvaY&mode=related&search=

          1:05 into the video is where he starts talking about the dogs



          Yapperz,
          I'd be very surprised if the cadaver dog and whatever the other one is bark to indicate a hit.  Most of them that I have seen work just sit down.  Or paw or do some silent indication of a hit depending on how they were trained but I don't think many of them bark.

          Of course, these are Dutch dogs and might react differently or have been trained differently but most working dogs don't bark especially if hunting fugitives for instance, would alert them.

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 06:56:08 PM
          Quote from: "*******"
          Anna..LOL!! Koen is much taller than Anita..


          And that's Freddie and not Deepak in that photo, too!   :wink:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
          I don't know what to make of this girl...:D   some of it looks shot at Moomba.

          http://dabble.com/node/8589593


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 06:57:41 PM
          Quote from: "Anna"
          *******,
          It doesn't really matter how tall Joran is as relates to this crime but I believe n the photo you posted, he is actually sitting in Koen's lap is why he is so much taller.   :roll:******* seems to think Anita is also 6'1" as she is about the same height as Koen compared to Joran.:roll: Always touchy feely with the guys, ya know.  Not that there's anything wrong with that!

          But this photo shows them the same height.  Can't tell from photos much.

          (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/JoranKoen072606.gif)

          Like the shoes, it is hard to tell from photos unless you have an known point of origin or reference.

          .

          .


          Anna I beleave your perception is way off. Your comments and eye rolls made me chuckle. Koen and Anita are not the same height. Neither is deepak and satish..Not even close..You are looking at one photo..You should look at the 4 photos of them together to draw that conclusion...

          I looked at every pic on the Internet of Koen and Joran before I made that assumption. Your right it is not Important. I beleave we were trying to see how tall Koen is to see if he might wear a size 14 shoe  :wink:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 06:58:36 PM
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Quote from: "*******"
          Anna..LOL!! Koen is much taller than Anita..


          And that's Freddie and not Deepak in that photo, too!   :wink:


          Edited to say Freddie and Deepak, not Satish.  

          They all look alike and are all VERY short.

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 06:59:44 PM
          Joran = 6.5 or 6.4
          Koen = 6.1 or 6.1 3/4  :lol:
          Freddy = 5.5
          Deepak = 5.4
          Paulus = 6.1 or 6.2
          Anita = 5.5

          Now I'm running :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 07:00:10 PM
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Quote from: "*******"
          Anna..LOL!! Koen is much taller than Anita..


          And that's Freddie and not Deepak in that photo, too!   :wink:


          LOL!! Jesus Anna!! WHere did I say that was satish?  Why are you rolling eyes and arguing?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 07:02:21 PM
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Quote from: "yapperz1"
          Evening Monkeys

          About the search at the VDS dump..

          In this video you hear Orando Salinas reporting from Aruba about the dogs used in the search. He plainly states he heard some of them bark. Cadaver/drug/search dogs DO NOT ALERT unless they detect something.
          IMO they found something there.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv4-VB_FvaY&mode=related&search=

          1:05 into the video is where he starts talking about the dogs



          Yapperz,
          I'd be very surprised if the cadaver dog and whatever the other one is bark to indicate a hit.  Most of them that I have seen work just sit down.  Or paw or do some silent indication of a hit depending on how they were trained but I don't think many of them bark.

          Of course, these are Dutch dogs and might react differently or have been trained differently but most working dogs don't bark especially if hunting fugitives for instance, would alert them.

          .


          Training cadaver dogs:

          http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/k9/5.html

          (snipped)
          When on a case, Anderson takes the dog out and looks for specific behaviors that indicate the dog has found the target scent.  "I expect a bark.  If I don't have a bark, he's not on the target.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 07:04:56 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Joran = 6.5 or 6.4
          Koen = 6.1 or 6.1 3/4  :lol:
          Freddy = 5.5
          Deepak = 5.4
          Paulus = 6.1 or 6.2
          Anita = 5.5

          Now I'm running :lol:


          I think thats somewhat accurate.. Satish is at least a few inches taller than Deepak..


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 07:04:59 PM
          Fires to the west, fires to the east and tropical storms in the ocean in early May.....  What's next?  Brimstone and plagues?   :shock:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 07:05:49 PM
          I forgot about F5 tornadoes and floods!!!!!   :shock:  :shock:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 07:06:20 PM
          Quote from: "*******"
          Quote from: "Anna"
          *******,
          It doesn't really matter how tall Joran is as relates to this crime but I believe n the photo you posted, he is actually sitting in Koen's lap is why he is so much taller.   :roll:******* seems to think Anita is also 6'1" as she is about the same height as Koen compared to Joran.:roll: Always touchy feely with the guys, ya know.  Not that there's anything wrong with that!

          But this photo shows them the same height.  Can't tell from photos much.

          (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/JoranKoen072606.gif)

          Like the shoes, it is hard to tell from photos unless you have an known point of origin or reference.

          .

          .


          Anna I beleave your perception is way off. Your comments and eye rolls made me chuckle. Koen and Anita are not the same height. Neither is deepak and satish..Not even close..You are looking at one photo..You should look at the 4 photos of them together to draw that conclusion...

          I looked at every pic on the Internet of Koen and Joran before I made that assumption. Your right it is not Important. I beleave we were trying to see how tall Koen is to see if he might wear a size 14 shoe  :wink:


          There is not a foot of height difference in Koen and Anita.  We know Anita and Greta are close in height.  Koen is maybe 4-6" taller than Anita.  We know Greta is is the 5' to 5'2" range so can assume that Anita is also as they appear the same height in several photos.

          I have a hard time getting Koen to 6'1" based on knowing Greta's height and Anita's to be very close to that and Koen maybe 4-6" (certainly not a foot!) taller than Anita.

          *******, I have looked at photos all over the internet, gone through all the night club albums and all that as well.  I just can't get Koen that tall is all.  If you can, fine but I don't see it.

          And you won't get me to talk about shoes.  I don't want to have to eat any bugs!  Those are for you know who!

           :wink:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 07:07:04 PM
          Here is a video that looks right off of Bahia 2nd floor in to downtown.

          http://dabble.com/node/9047689


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 07:12:02 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Joran = 6.5 or 6.4
          Koen = 6.1 or 6.1 3/4  :lol:
          Freddy = 5.5
          Deepak = 5.4
          Paulus = 6.1 or 6.2
          Anita = 5.5

          Now I'm running :lol:


          No need to run, San.   :D

          I'd put them  

          Joran = 6.3
          Koen = 5.10-5.11
          Freddie= 5.5
          Deepak 5.5
          Satish- 5.7
          Paulus = 5.11-6.0
          Anita= 5.3


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: yapperz1 on May 09, 2007, 07:15:12 PM
          Thanks Klaas for the post about the dogs & them barking as a sign of being on the target


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 07:17:49 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Quote from: "yapperz1"
          Evening Monkeys

          About the search at the VDS dump..

          In this video you hear Orando Salinas reporting from Aruba about the dogs used in the search. He plainly states he heard some of them bark. Cadaver/drug/search dogs DO NOT ALERT unless they detect something.
          IMO they found something there.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv4-VB_FvaY&mode=related&search=

          1:05 into the video is where he starts talking about the dogs



          Yapperz,
          I'd be very surprised if the cadaver dog and whatever the other one is bark to indicate a hit.  Most of them that I have seen work just sit down.  Or paw or do some silent indication of a hit depending on how they were trained but I don't think many of them bark.

          Of course, these are Dutch dogs and might react differently or have been trained differently but most working dogs don't bark especially if hunting fugitives for instance, would alert them.

          .


          Training cadaver dogs:

          http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/k9/5.html

          (snipped)
          When on a case, Anderson takes the dog out and looks for specific behaviors that indicate the dog has found the target scent.  "I expect a bark.  If I don't have a bark, he's not on the target.



          Well, good!  Maybe the barking means something then.  I have never seen one bark but mostly have seen tracker/search and rescue and not cadaver.  Guess cadaver dogs don't have to be quiet as they are not likely to tip off their target.

          I do know if they get a hit, it can be used as evidence in court along with their accuracy rating.  At least in this country although there are a couple of cases filed in court against handlers or have been in the past oddly enough.

          Hope it meant something and not just lunch time!

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 07:20:39 PM
          Koen & Freddy

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/KoenFreddycopy.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 07:21:34 PM
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Quote from: "San"
          Joran = 6.5 or 6.4
          Koen = 6.1 or 6.1 3/4  :lol:
          Freddy = 5.5
          Deepak = 5.4
          Paulus = 6.1 or 6.2
          Anita = 5.5

          Now I'm running :lol:


          No need to run, San.   :D

          I'd put them  

          Joran = 6.3
          Koen = 5.10-5.11
          Freddie= 5.5
          Deepak 5.5
          Satish- 5.7
          Paulus = 5.11-6.0
          Anita= 5.3

          Here is a good picture to compare Joran and Freddy.  We both agree that Freddy is 5.5.  Joran is leaning in this picture and Freddy is standing straight.

          (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/JoranFreddy.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 07:22:57 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Koen & Freddy

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/KoenFreddycopy.jpg)


          I think what always look so evil to me about Freddy are his eyes and the expression he generally has in his pics.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 07:23:51 PM
          Joran & Koen

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranKoen.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Frijole on May 09, 2007, 07:24:10 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Koen & Freddy

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/KoenFreddycopy.jpg)


          I think what always look so evil to me about Freddy are his eyes and the expression he generally has in his pics.


          I agree... he has an evil look.  Like a gangsta.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 07:27:15 PM
          Quote from: "Frijole"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Koen & Freddy

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/KoenFreddycopy.jpg)


          I think what always look so evil to me about Freddy are his eyes and the expression he generally has in his pics.


          I agree... he has an evil look.  Like a gangsta.

          That's because he wants to be like his big brother Ernesto.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 07:27:23 PM
          Quote from: "Frijole"

          I agree... he has an evil look.  Like a gangsta.


          And I've never seen a picture of him where he looks like he has anything like a real smile on his face.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 07:29:47 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Joran & Koen

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranKoen.jpg)


          One looks like it was made the same time as the one ******* posted before, they are wearing the same shirts any way.

          Not that that means anything in Aruba where they seem to wear the same shirt for days on end.

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 07:31:46 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Frijole"

          I agree... he has an evil look.  Like a gangsta.


          And I've never seen a picture of him where he looks like he has anything like a real smile on his face.

          (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Freddy1.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 07:32:39 PM
          I'm no beauty queen myself, but I have to say that picture of Joran and Koen is a lot of unattractiveness all together in one place!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 07:33:17 PM
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Joran & Koen

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranKoen.jpg)


          One looks like it was made the same time as the one ******* posted before, they are wearing the same shirts any way.

          Not that that means anything in Aruba where they seem to wear the same shirt for days on end.

          .

          They wear the same shirts every day and when they take them off they stand on their own.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 09, 2007, 07:33:19 PM
          So no sightings of the Dutch today reported anywhere?

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 07:35:16 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Frijole"

          I agree... he has an evil look.  Like a gangsta.


          And I've never seen a picture of him where he looks like he has anything like a real smile on his face.

          (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Freddy1.jpg)


          That's not a real smile - that's an evil smirk.  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Dayhiker on May 09, 2007, 07:35:27 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          I don't know what to make of this girl...:D   some of it looks shot at Moomba.

          http://dabble.com/node/8589593



          Hope she enjoyed her crabs.  :wink:

          Click on the Aruba link and guess what comes up #5? Klaas' video!

          http://dabble.com/node/11201210


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 07:36:20 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Joran & Koen

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranKoen.jpg)


          Did Guido fix Koens hair?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 07:37:15 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Joran & Koen

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranKoen.jpg)


          Did Guido fix Koens hair?


          They look like Frankenstein and the Bride of Frankenstein, don't they?  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 07:37:40 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Joran & Koen

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranKoen.jpg)


          Did Guido fix Koens hair?

           :lol:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 07:37:40 PM
          Quote from: "Anna"
          So no sightings of the Dutch today reported anywhere?

          .


          Not that I've heard.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Observer on May 09, 2007, 07:38:47 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          I'm no beauty queen myself, but I have to say that picture of Joran and Koen is a lot of unattractiveness all together in one place!


          LOL!! I was gonna post more pics of freddy where he looks down right evil..But we have all seen them..

          Koen sure did gain alot of weight since NH dissapeared. That weight he added wasn't to good for his looks :wink:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 07:39:11 PM
          Quote from: "Dayhiker"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          I don't know what to make of this girl...:D   some of it looks shot at Moomba.

          http://dabble.com/node/8589593



          Hope she enjoyed her crabs.  :wink:

          Click on the Aruba link and guess what comes up #5? Klaas' video!

          http://dabble.com/node/11201210


          yep Dayhiker... I noticed that. I looked through all 759 of em...you'll never guess what I was looking for. :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 07:39:41 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Joran & Koen

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranKoen.jpg)


          Did Guido fix Koens hair?


          They look like Frankenstein and the Bride of Frankenstein, don't they?  :lol:


          Dear God, they look like a couple of Simpletons! ANd whats with Jorans ears??? I never noticed those things before.

          OH, and HI BT and all MOnkeys! :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 07:41:35 PM
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Joran & Koen



          Did Guido fix Koens hair?


          They look like Frankenstein and the Bride of Frankenstein, don't they?  :lol:


          Dear God, they look like a couple of Simpletons! ANd whats with Jorans ears??? I never noticed those things before.

          OH, and HI BT and all MOnkeys! :lol:

          Hi Art good to see you.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tylergal on May 09, 2007, 07:41:36 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Joran & Koen

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranKoen.jpg)


          I wonder where Koen got that perm.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 07:41:54 PM
          Quote from: "Artcolley"

          OH, and HI BT and all MOnkeys! :lol:


          Howdy, Artcolley! I hope you're doing well.  :D


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 09, 2007, 07:42:28 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          I'm no beauty queen myself, but I have to say that picture of Joran and Koen is a lot of unattractiveness all together in one place!
          Hi Monkeys! BTgirl, this is too funny... :lol:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 07:42:38 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Joran & Koen



          Did Guido fix Koens hair?


          They look like Frankenstein and the Bride of Frankenstein, don't they?  :lol:


          Dear God, they look like a couple of Simpletons! ANd whats with Jorans ears??? I never noticed those things before.

          OH, and HI BT and all MOnkeys! :lol:

          Hi Art good to see you.


          Hi San
          Good to see you too! :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Dayhiker on May 09, 2007, 07:42:44 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Quote from: "Dayhiker"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          I don't know what to make of this girl...:D   some of it looks shot at Moomba.

          http://dabble.com/node/8589593



          Hope she enjoyed her crabs.  :wink:

          Click on the Aruba link and guess what comes up #5? Klaas' video!

          http://dabble.com/node/11201210


          yep Dayhiker... I noticed that. I looked through all 759 of em...you'll never guess what I was looking for. :lol:



          A lot of puking going on in Aruba. That must be a side effect of the Rohypnol.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tylergal on May 09, 2007, 07:42:44 PM
          Quote from: "Anna"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Joran & Koen

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranKoen.jpg)


          One looks like it was made the same time as the one ******* posted before, they are wearing the same shirts any way.

          Not that that means anything in Aruba where they seem to wear the same shirt for days on end.

          .


          I notice Joran's shirt has Bra on it.  Does this mean anything? :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 07:44:05 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Artcolley"

          OH, and HI BT and all MOnkeys! :lol:


          Howdy, Artcolley! I hope you're doing well.  :D


          HI BT
          I'm doing a lot better, thanks!
          Trying to get my gardens in order but its slow going!
          HOw are you doing????


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Dayhiker on May 09, 2007, 07:45:13 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Joran & Koen

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranKoen.jpg)


          Did Guido fix Koens hair?



          Looks like 2/5ths of The Village People.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 07:45:40 PM
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Joran & Koen

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranKoen.jpg)


          I wonder where Koen got that perm.



          I dunno..weird, isn't it???? :shock:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 07:46:27 PM
          Quote from: "Artcolley"

          HI BT
          I'm doing a lot better, thanks!
          Trying to get my gardens in order but its slow going!
          HOw are you doing????


          I'm doing super duper, thanks!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 07:46:29 PM
          Posted today by MF at FOB:

          Before the monkeys turn and twist the news, the island knew a homicide case yesterday and this was not one that can be considered a crime of passion, but rather a robbery intent. The victim died at the emergency room. They already think it might have been an inside job, since the victim (from Venezuela) has a construction company....

          Thankfully a few hours later, the ALE detained two men under suspicion as being the ones responsibles of this act. One man of 17 and another of 25 years old, both from Colombia.

          Indeed the two guys that were arrested were friends and employees of the victim, after getting out of the bar, they had a discussion and one got a gun out and shot the victim, they got scared and took him to the ER and left the place.... the ALE sent a general message for the units and intercepted them that same night.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 07:46:45 PM
          Quote from: "Dayhiker"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Joran & Koen

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranKoen.jpg)


          Did Guido fix Koens hair?



          Looks like 2/5ths of The Village People.



          ROFLMAO!!! :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 09, 2007, 07:46:48 PM
          Quote from: "Dayhiker"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Joran & Koen

          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranKoen.jpg)


          Did Guido fix Koens hair?



          Looks like 2/5ths of The Village People.
          ROFLMAO.. :smt043


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 07:48:37 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Posted today by MF at FOB:

          Before the monkeys turn and twist the news, the island knew a homicide case yesterday and this was not one that can be considered a crime of passion, but rather a robbery intent. The victim died at the emergency room. They already think it might have been an inside job, since the victim (from Venezuela) has a construction company....

          Thankfully a few hours later, the ALE detained two men under suspicion as being the ones responsibles of this act. One man of 17 and another of 25 years old, both from Colombia.

          Indeed the two guys that were arrested were friends and employees of the victim, after getting out of the bar, they had a discussion and one got a gun out and shot the victim, they got scared and took him to the ER and left the place.... the ALE sent a general message for the units and intercepted them that same night.


          Isn't it great how much Monkey Fan loves us?  :wink:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tylergal on May 09, 2007, 07:49:21 PM
          Art Colley, so good to see you.  My baby is doing fine.  She is still rambunctious but very obedient if need be.  She has quit chasing kitties.  One of them put a claw in her nose, lesson well learned, so she no longer tries to herd them up.  We are thinking of getting a sheltie to go with her.   A friend has a 5-year-old one that drives her BP up, so we are thinking "playmates."  What do you think?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 09, 2007, 07:49:24 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Posted today by MF at FOB:

          Before the monkeys turn and twist the news, the island knew a homicide case yesterday and this was not one that can be considered a crime of passion, but rather a robbery intent. The victim died at the emergency room. They already think it might have been an inside job, since the victim (from Venezuela) has a construction company....

          Thankfully a few hours later, the ALE detained two men under suspicion as being the ones responsibles of this act. One man of 17 and another of 25 years old, both from Colombia.

          Indeed the two guys that were arrested were friends and employees of the victim, after getting out of the bar, they had a discussion and one got a gun out and shot the victim, they got scared and took him to the ER and left the place.... the ALE sent a general message for the units and intercepted them that same night.
          Thanks Klaas!...Hey MF, a CRIME is still a CRIME, Get it??


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 07:50:29 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Posted today by MF at FOB:

          Before the monkeys turn and twist the news, the island knew a homicide case yesterday and this was not one that can be considered a crime of passion, but rather a robbery intent. The victim died at the emergency room. They already think it might have been an inside job, since the victim (from Venezuela) has a construction company....

          Thankfully a few hours later, the ALE detained two men under suspicion as being the ones responsibles of this act. One man of 17 and another of 25 years old, both from Colombia.

          Indeed the two guys that were arrested were friends and employees of the victim, after getting out of the bar, they had a discussion and one got a gun out and shot the victim, they got scared and took him to the ER and left the place.... the ALE sent a general message for the units and intercepted them that same night.


          Hmm..well, interesting, but I hate to tell MF that this is ONE monkey that won't be twisitng and turning anything cause I plain don't care if they ALL kill eachother! :twisted:

          OH, and g'evenin' Klaas!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 07:51:29 PM
          OH, and I wish I could type the words properly! :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 07:51:37 PM
          Hi Monkeys

          Has anybody heard from Peaches?

          My thoughts have been with her all day.

          Janet


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 07:52:17 PM
          Hi Artcolley - how are you?  Been wondering where you've been hiding.  Was starting to worry!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 07:53:20 PM
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          Hi Monkeys

          Has anybody heard from Peaches?

          My thoughts have been with her all day.

          Janet

          She posted real early this morning before going in for her CT Scan.  I haven't seen her post since.  I don't know how long it should take or what her plans were after.  I'm hoping she checks in and let's us know how it went.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 07:54:20 PM
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Art Colley, so good to see you.  My baby is doing fine.  She is still rambunctious but very obedient if need be.  She has quit chasing kitties.  One of them put a claw in her nose, lesson well learned, so she no longer tries to herd them up.  We are thinking of getting a sheltie to go with her.   A friend has a 5-year-old one that drives her BP up, so we are thinking "playmates."  What do you think?



          Hi Tyler!
          YES..a playmate would be a good thing for A Border collie. And a Sheltie would be a perfect match.  A housemate will help her energy levels a lot! Mine keep eachother company and adore playing with the Bichon since she is just a energetic!  (Keeps a curious Border outta trouble, too!)

          CAts will always teach a dog who is boss and when its "time to quit"! :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 09, 2007, 07:54:48 PM
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          OH, and I wish I could type the words properly! :lol:
          Hi Artcolley, great to see ya here!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 07:55:25 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          Hi Monkeys

          Has anybody heard from Peaches?

          My thoughts have been with her all day.

          Janet

          She posted real early this morning before going in for her CT Scan.  I haven't seen her post since.  I don't know how long it should take or what her plans were after.  I'm hoping she checks in and let's us know how it went.


          Thank you Klaas.

          I did see her post this morning and ... have been checking in all day.

          Janet


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 09, 2007, 07:57:28 PM
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          Hi Monkeys

          Has anybody heard from Peaches?

          My thoughts have been with her all day.

          Janet
          I hope and pray all went well for our peaches today!! Hopefully, she is just tired from drinking all that chalky stuff and getting up early etc! Peaches, we wuv you!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 07:58:30 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Hi Artcolley - how are you?  Been wondering where you've been hiding.  Was starting to worry!


          Klaas, I lurk a lot. I get tired and think my posts might not make a lot of sense when I get like that! :lol:
          So..I read and soak in the wisdom of all of you!!!!
          THere has been a lot of postings lately and that is a good thing. Some of you are so sharp!
          We'll never give up til there is a resolution of some sort!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 07:59:40 PM
          Quote from: "Elaine"
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          Hi Monkeys

          Has anybody heard from Peaches?

          My thoughts have been with her all day.

          Janet
          I hope and pray all went well for our peaches today!! Hopefully, she is just tired from drinking all that chalky stuff and getting up early etc! Peaches, we wuv you!!


          I imagine it all takes a lot out of her. She is a brave little trouper.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 08:00:46 PM
          Artcolley - give Seamonkey a hug for us next time you see her.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 08:01:04 PM
          Didn't Dompig's anti-terror seminar start today?

          Wonder how that's going.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 08:01:37 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Posted today by MF at FOB:

          Before the monkeys turn and twist the news, the island knew a homicide case yesterday and this was not one that can be considered a crime of passion, but rather a robbery intent. The victim died at the emergency room. They already think it might have been an inside job, since the victim (from Venezuela) has a construction company....

          Thankfully a few hours later, the ALE detained two men under suspicion as being the ones responsibles of this act. One man of 17 and another of 25 years old, both from Colombia.

          Indeed the two guys that were arrested were friends and employees of the victim, after getting out of the bar, they had a discussion and one got a gun out and shot the victim, they got scared and took him to the ER and left the place.... the ALE sent a general message for the units and intercepted them that same night.


          Isn't it great how much Monkey Fan loves us?  :wink:



          OH! So THAT is what MF stands for! :twisted:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 09, 2007, 08:03:17 PM
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Posted today by MF at FOB:

          Before the monkeys turn and twist the news, the island knew a homicide case yesterday and this was not one that can be considered a crime of passion, but rather a robbery intent. The victim died at the emergency room. They already think it might have been an inside job, since the victim (from Venezuela) has a construction company....

          Thankfully a few hours later, the ALE detained two men under suspicion as being the ones responsibles of this act. One man of 17 and another of 25 years old, both from Colombia.

          Indeed the two guys that were arrested were friends and employees of the victim, after getting out of the bar, they had a discussion and one got a gun out and shot the victim, they got scared and took him to the ER and left the place.... the ALE sent a general message for the units and intercepted them that same night.


          Isn't it great how much Monkey Fan loves us?  :wink:



          OH! So THAT is what MF stands for! :twisted:
          LOL :smt003  I plead the 5th , on this!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 08:03:46 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Artcolley - give Seamonkey a hug for us next time you see her.


          Klaas I sure will.
          I left a note on the prayer thread for her..she goes for a procedure tomorrow and won't know if she'll have a big surgery til they have her on the table and if she needs it, they'll proceed right there and then. Yikes.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 08:04:31 PM
          Quote from: "Elaine"
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Posted today by MF at FOB:

          Before the monkeys turn and twist the news, the island knew a homicide case yesterday and this was not one that can be considered a crime of passion, but rather a robbery intent. The victim died at the emergency room. They already think it might have been an inside job, since the victim (from Venezuela) has a construction company....

          Thankfully a few hours later, the ALE detained two men under suspicion as being the ones responsibles of this act. One man of 17 and another of 25 years old, both from Colombia.

          Indeed the two guys that were arrested were friends and employees of the victim, after getting out of the bar, they had a discussion and one got a gun out and shot the victim, they got scared and took him to the ER and left the place.... the ALE sent a general message for the units and intercepted them that same night.


          Isn't it great how much Monkey Fan loves us?  :wink:



          OH! So THAT is what MF stands for! :twisted:
          LOL :smt003  I plead the 5th , on this!


          Har Har! 8)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 09, 2007, 08:05:46 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Didn't Dompig's anti-terror seminar start today?

          Wonder how that's going.
          Live comedy act..?!  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 08:05:52 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Didn't Dompig's anti-terror seminar start today?

          Wonder how that's going.


          ONe thing for sure, the terrorists will LOVE him! 8)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 08:06:59 PM
          Hi gang...
          Still nothing from Peaches    :(

          So what is the NO NO subject tonight.
           :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 09, 2007, 08:07:34 PM
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Artcolley - give Seamonkey a hug for us next time you see her.


          Klaas I sure will.
          I left a note on the prayer thread for her..she goes for a procedure tomorrow and won't know if she'll have a big surgery til they have her on the table and if she needs it, they'll proceed right there and then. Yikes.
          Artcolley, I will be prying for seamonkey and you!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 08:07:58 PM
          Quote from: "Elaine"
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          OH, and I wish I could type the words properly! :lol:
          Hi Artcolley, great to see ya here!!


          Hi Elaine!
          (can you tell I am trying like heck to keep up and reading backwards???)
           :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 09, 2007, 08:09:00 PM
          Quote from: "Elaine"
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Artcolley - give Seamonkey a hug for us next time you see her.


          Klaas I sure will.
          I left a note on the prayer thread for her..she goes for a procedure tomorrow and won't know if she'll have a big surgery til they have her on the table and if she needs it, they'll proceed right there and then. Yikes.
          Artcolley, I will be prying for seamonkey and you!!
          Darned those typos! I tried to fix, after hitting submit...no such luck, of course I meant praying for :roll:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 08:09:54 PM
          Quote from: "Elaine"
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Artcolley - give Seamonkey a hug for us next time you see her.


          Klaas I sure will.
          I left a note on the prayer thread for her..she goes for a procedure tomorrow and won't know if she'll have a big surgery til they have her on the table and if she needs it, they'll proceed right there and then. Yikes.
          Artcolley, I will be prying for seamonkey and you!!


          THanks, Elaine!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 08:10:41 PM
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Hi Artcolley - how are you?  Been wondering where you've been hiding.  Was starting to worry!


          Klaas, I lurk a lot. I get tired and think my posts might not make a lot of sense when I get like that! :lol: So..I read and soak in the wisdom of all of you!!!!
          THere has been a lot of postings lately and that is a good thing. Some of you are so sharp!
          We'll never give up til there is a resolution of some sort!


          HI ArtColley :smt006
          I always thought mine made more since when I was like that  :roll:  :wink:

          Good to see You


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 09, 2007, 08:11:07 PM
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Hi gang...
          Still nothing from Peaches    :(

          So what is the NO NO subject tonight.
           :lol:
          Hello OF, do not say  SHOES


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 08:11:12 PM
          See you all in a short bit..have to fix something to eat!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 08:12:17 PM
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Hi Artcolley - how are you?  Been wondering where you've been hiding.  Was starting to worry!


          Klaas, I lurk a lot. I get tired and think my posts might not make a lot of sense when I get like that! :lol: So..I read and soak in the wisdom of all of you!!!!
          THere has been a lot of postings lately and that is a good thing. Some of you are so sharp!
          We'll never give up til there is a resolution of some sort!


          HI ArtColley :smt006
          I always thought mine made more since when I was like that  :roll:  :wink:

          Good to see You


          HI OF
          Good to see you too! :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 08:13:50 PM
          i bought some new shoes yesterday  8)  :twisted:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Spock on May 09, 2007, 08:15:47 PM
          How much time is Art Wood supposed to get tonight?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 09, 2007, 08:16:33 PM
          Quote from: "robots"
          i bought some new shoes yesterday  8)  :twisted:
          LMAO! You didn't just say this did you?! Oh yes you did! :lol:  :shock:  :shock:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tibrogargan on May 09, 2007, 08:17:00 PM
          Hello Monkey friends.

          Sharing the computer today so I may disappear at any time  :lol:  :lol:

          Artcolley good to see you feeling like posting again.  Hugs and prayers for SeaMonkey.  I put some Penguins on the Aussie thread for her.  :wink:

          Anna love your newest avatar with your handsome companion.

          They do love to show pictures of their "suicides" in Aruba.  I remember someone saying here a while ago that a hand placed in a pocket means it is a sign that it is not a true suicide but cannot remember the exact details.  Do not know how you can hang yourself with your feet still on the ground.

          I followed the story of that fire in SoCal.  Glad to read that Louise was in a safe spot.  Read a good article on the LA Times site about how they went about trying to secure the Zoo animals.  Sounds as though they have a fair size buffer zone around them but you have to worry about sparks being carried long distances with strong winds.  Starts lots of secondary fires.

          If anyone wants a laugh, swing over to the lounge and read Yapperz item about the Cat and the Chapstick.  Very funny.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 08:17:37 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          DANA PRETZER - TONIGHT
           
          Wednesday May 9th 2007 10pm et
           
          Guests
           
          Mike McIntyre
          Justice Reporter - Winnipeg Free Press
          Host - "Crime And Punishment" on the Corus Radio Network
          Author - "To The Grave: Inside A Spectacular RCMP Sting"
          Website - www.mikeoncrime.com
          Blog - www.winnipegfreepress2.com/blogs/mcintyre/index.php

          Also
           
          Police Officer and Author Pete Bollinger “How to Get Hired in Law Enforcement and Fire.

          Also

          Clint Van Zandt
          Art Wood


           
          www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio


          REMINDER


          SPOCK - Not sure exactly what time but I imagine in the order listed above.  The show is normally 1 hour and it will start at 10pm ET.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 08:18:50 PM
          Quote from: "robots"
          i bought some new shoes yesterday  8)  :twisted:


          And I was guessing you were going to ask Anna...
          What size Horseshoes she had to buy for her horse.

          Oh  BTW   I found a bug for you   :wink:


          (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/robot_bug.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 08:20:52 PM
          Quote from: "Elaine"
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Hi gang...
          Still nothing from Peaches    :(

          So what is the NO NO subject tonight.
           :lol:
          Hello OF, do not say  SHOES


          We still on that... I thought it was how tall people are???
          I the day of the car CB radio  I went by two names
          Too Tall & Tall Timber :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Elaine on May 09, 2007, 08:21:04 PM
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
          Hello Monkey friends.

          Sharing the computer today so I may disappear at any time  :lol:  :lol:

          Artcolley good to see you feeling like posting again.  Hugs and prayers for SeaMonkey.  I put some Penguins on the Aussie thread for her.  :wink:

          Anna love your newest avatar with your handsome companion.

          They do love to show pictures of their "suicides" in Aruba.  I remember someone saying here a while ago that a hand placed in a pocket means it is a sign that it is not a true suicide but cannot remember the exact details.  Do not know how you can hang yourself with your feet still on the ground.

          I followed the story of that fire in SoCal.  Glad to read that Louise was in a safe spot.  Read a good article on the LA Times site about how they went about trying to secure the Zoo animals.  Sounds as though they have a fair size buffer zone around them but you have to worry about sparks being carried long distances with strong winds.  Starts lots of secondary fires.

          If anyone wants a laugh, swing over to the lounge and read Yapperz item about the Cat and the Chapstick.  Very funny.
          Hi Tibro, ok, swinging over to the lounge because laughing is a very good thing!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 08:21:34 PM
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
          Hello Monkey friends.

          Sharing the computer today so I may disappear at any time  :lol:  :lol:

          Artcolley good to see you feeling like posting again.  Hugs and prayers for SeaMonkey.  I put some Penguins on the Aussie thread for her.  :wink:

          Anna love your newest avatar with your handsome companion.

          They do love to show pictures of their "suicides" in Aruba.  I remember someone saying here a while ago that a hand placed in a pocket means it is a sign that it is not a true suicide but cannot remember the exact details.  Do not know how you can hang yourself with your feet still on the ground.
          I followed the story of that fire in SoCal.  Glad to read that Louise was in a safe spot.  Read a good article on the LA Times site about how they went about trying to secure the Zoo animals.  Sounds as though they have a fair size buffer zone around them but you have to worry about sparks being carried long distances with strong winds.  Starts lots of secondary fires.

          If anyone wants a laugh, swing over to the lounge and read Yapperz item about the Cat and the Chapstick.  Very funny.

          Well when he jumped he bent his knees and when he died he straightened them out and put his hand in his pocket. :roll:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: nonesuche on May 09, 2007, 08:22:16 PM
          Quote from: "robots"
          i bought some new shoes yesterday  8)  :twisted:


          I heard that robots, off to the corner for you and eat a worm !  :lol:


          I hope we hear from peaches too but I suspect she's tired, after getting up in the middle of the night to drink that contrast, then if the CT was at the hospital you always wait a while too. I know she will check in when she can and how much we care about her.

          Hi Art I do hope Seamonkey is okay and I will pray for her.

          I hope BT is around, lookie what I finally found? (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/totthbrush.gif)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 08:22:20 PM
          I’ve been unable to get any info on the Meneses person.  I wonder if Art Wood might remember the name.  If any of you can post at FOB or RU, how about asking the resident MF, if he knows who he is?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on May 09, 2007, 08:23:15 PM
          See my post over at Monkey lounge under Football with Frijole!

          Time to take my lady out to dinner!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on May 09, 2007, 08:24:28 PM
          Quote from: "nonesuche"
          Quote from: "robots"
          i bought some new shoes yesterday  8)  :twisted:


          I heard that robots, off to the corner for you and eat a worm !  :lol:


          I hope we hear from peaches too but I suspect she's tired, after getting up in the middle of the night to drink that contrast, then if the CT was at the hospital you always wait a while too. I know she will check in when she can and how much we care about her.

          Hi Art I do hope Seamonkey is okay and I will pray for her.

          I hope BT is around, lookie what I finally found? (http://None has Elizabeth been able to help you? Email me!http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/totthbrush.gif)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 08:25:09 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Well when he jumped he bent his knees and when he died he straightened them out and put his hand in his pocket. :roll:


          Okay, this is truly gross, but......what if he jumped and the impact broke his neck, even though his legs ended up on the ground? I don't know why someone would kill himself with his hand in his pocket, but in that terrible photo, it did look as if his neck was broken.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 08:26:40 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "San"
          Well when he jumped he bent his knees and when he died he straightened them out and put his hand in his pocket. :roll:


          Okay, this is truly gross, but......what if he jumped and the impact broke his neck, even though his legs ended up on the ground? I don't know why someone would kill himself with his hand in his pocket, but in that terrible photo, it did look as if his neck was broken.

          He was missing a sneaker also.  Where did it go.  Maybe Joran has it. :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 08:27:55 PM
          Hi None...
          This is great
          I hope BT is around, lookie what I finally found? (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/totthbrush.gif)

          Hey Easy

          Just figure a way to ask Editor (?) RenfHo  phone., e-mail..


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 08:28:45 PM
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Hi None...
          This is great
          I hope BT is around, lookie what I finally found? (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/totthbrush.gif)

          Hey Easy

          Just figure a way to ask Editor (?) RenfHo  phone., e-mail..


          OF - that is way too cute! I love it!  :D


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 08:29:41 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "San"
          Well when he jumped he bent his knees and when he died he straightened them out and put his hand in his pocket. :roll:


          Okay, this is truly gross, but......what if he jumped and the impact broke his neck, even though his legs ended up on the ground? I don't know why someone would kill himself with his hand in his pocket, but in that terrible photo, it did look as if his neck was broken.

          He was missing a sneaker also.  Where did it go.  Maybe Joran has it. :lol:


          If it's either a 10.5 or a 14, we'll know for sure Joran took it.  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 08:30:53 PM
          I forgot to quote  Nones   :oops:
          Quote from: "oldfart"

          Hi None...
          This is great
          Quote
          I hope BT is around, lookie what I finally found? (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/totthbrush.gif)


          Hey Easy

          Just figure a way to ask Editor (?) RenfHo  phone., e-mail..


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Red on May 09, 2007, 08:31:03 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Didn't Dompig's anti-terror seminar start today?

          Wonder how that's going.


          Anti-terror ... isn't that rich. I am sure the terrorists are shaking in their boots.

          I heard that Al Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hofstad Network all showed up for the comic relief. They actually thought it was a comedy show by Dompig, not real.

          What next, Charlie Manson going to be teaching group therapy in Aruba?  :shock:  :lol:  :wink:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 08:31:59 PM
          ARUBA SACUDI CU TRES MORTO TRAGICO DEN 90 MINUUT
           
          ORANJESTAD (AAN): Aruba a conoce un anochi hopi malo Diamars cu varios caso cu mortonan violento. Un total di tres morto a keda registra den menos cu dos ora riba e isla y tur den e vecindario di e parti Noord.

          E prome caso a worde registra 11:02 p.m. na Bubali Plas na e Observation Tower. Aki un persona masculino a comete suicidio. Net pa 11:21 p.m., for di eynan mes a tende un accidente serio socede riba Sasaki. Un Tercel a dal violentamente contra un palo di luz, y e chofer a keda pega.

          Algun minuut despues el a fayece na Hospital. Como 45 minuut despues, pa 12:26 a.m., a drenta informe cu dos hende a tira y mata un homber na Boegoeroei. E supuesto tiradornan mes den un Daewoo Racer a bay drop su curpa na Hospital.

          El a yega morto debi na tiro a dal den su curazon. Pa 12:53 a.m., Polisnan cu a subi caya na gran escala, a logra di gara e dos hobennan den e Daewoo y nan a keda deteni.

          http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/9/

          I believe it's saying there were 3 deaths within 90 minutes.  

          1.  Suicide
          2.  Accident
          3.  Homocide
           


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: nonesuche on May 09, 2007, 08:33:16 PM
          BOC I will email you, to date not much assistance though  :?

          Good to see you back on the board !

          I think I'll have to put this smiley in my sig line for Monkey Fan (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/flirtysmile4.gif)

          since he reads so much here

           :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 08:33:27 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"

          <<SNIP>>
          OF - that is way too cute! I love it!  :D


          That is a gift from None to you.  & I love it too

          MIght  make a great cooking for kids...
          ... You get this cookie and then time to brush ...  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 08:33:40 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "San"
          Well when he jumped he bent his knees and when he died he straightened them out and put his hand in his pocket. :roll:


          Okay, this is truly gross, but......what if he jumped and the impact broke his neck, even though his legs ended up on the ground? I don't know why someone would kill himself with his hand in his pocket, but in that terrible photo, it did look as if his neck was broken.


          We all gotta go one of these days, but two things I know for sure.  I don't want to go the way that guy did and I don't want to go out the way Elvis did.   :shock:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 08:33:49 PM
          Quote from: "Red"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Didn't Dompig's anti-terror seminar start today?

          Wonder how that's going.


          Anti-terror ... isn't that rich. I am sure the terrorists are shaking in their boots.

          I heard that Al Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hofstad Network all showed up for the comic relief. They actually thought it was a comedy show by Dompig, not real.

          What next, Charlie Manson going to be teaching group therapy in Aruba?  :shock:  :lol:  :wink:


          I hope you saw Diverboy's comment on the front page about the Aruban Astronaut Program.

          Now there's an idea!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 08:35:32 PM
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"

          <<SNIP>>
          OF - that is way too cute! I love it!  :D


          That is a gift from None to you.  & I love it too

          MIght  make a great cooking for kids...
          ... You get this cookie and then time to brush ...  :lol:


          Well, None did a wonderful job - thanks for showing it to me. I had missed it before.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 08:37:49 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "San"
          Well when he jumped he bent his knees and when he died he straightened them out and put his hand in his pocket. :roll:


          Okay, this is truly gross, but......what if he jumped and the impact broke his neck, even though his legs ended up on the ground? I don't know why someone would kill himself with his hand in his pocket, but in that terrible photo, it did look as if his neck was broken.


          We all gotta go one of these days, but two things I know for sure.  I don't want to go the way that guy did and I don't want to go out the way Elvis did.   :shock:


          ALERT: I'M ABOUT TO DISCLOSE A SECRET ABOUT EASY  :shock:

          His big fear is dying on the commode like Evis did.  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 08:38:07 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"

          I believe it's saying there were 3 deaths within 90 minutes.  

          1.  Suicide
          2.  Accident
          3.  Homocide
           


          The are prolly way over-worked. Thank God the KLPD is there to lend a hand Klaas.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: nonesuche on May 09, 2007, 08:39:42 PM
          :lol: poor Easy, I had  neighbor have a huge pine tree fall on her house during a storm. She was on the potty and sat and prayed as she heard it coming and said "please lord do not let them find me like Elvis".

           :lol:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 08:40:32 PM
          Quote from: "nonesuche"
          :lol: poor Easy, I had  neighbor have a huge pine tree fall on her house during a storm. She was on the potty and sat and prayed as she heard it coming and said "please lord do not let them find me like Elvis".

           :lol:  :lol:


           :P  :P  :P  :P


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 08:40:52 PM
          Anyone here feeling the pain for OJ tonight?  He got kicked out of a steakhouse and is trying to play the race card.  Bless his cold, cold heart…..


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 08:41:27 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          ALERT: I'M ABOUT TO DISCLOSE A SECRET ABOUT EASY  :shock:

          His big fear is dying on the commode like Evis did.  :lol:


           :shock:   I did NOT know Elvis died of poisonous gas  I thought it was an OD.  :shock:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 08:42:09 PM
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          ALERT: I'M ABOUT TO DISCLOSE A SECRET ABOUT EASY  :shock:

          His big fear is dying on the commode like Evis did.  :lol:


           :shock:   I did NOT know Elvis died of poisonous gas  I thought it was an OD.  :shock:


           :lol:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 08:42:43 PM
          Quote from: "nonesuche"
          :lol: poor Easy, I had  neighbor have a huge pine tree fall on her house during a storm. She was on the potty and sat and prayed as she heard it coming and said "please lord do not let them find me like Elvis".

           :lol:  :lol:


          Yeah, it is a real shity way to go…..  :P


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: nonesuche on May 09, 2007, 08:43:24 PM
          :lol:  :lol: OF


          this is OF -----> (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/innocentsmily.gif)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: greeneyedlady on May 09, 2007, 08:44:20 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          I’ve been unable to get any info on the Meneses person.  I wonder if Art Wood might remember the name.  If any of you can post at FOB or RU, how about asking the resident MF, if he knows who he is?


          I could post at RU this morning,don't know about now,tho :lol: What's this guys first name again?And what do you want me to ask?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tibrogargan on May 09, 2007, 08:45:17 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Quote from: "Red"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Didn't Dompig's anti-terror seminar start today?

          Wonder how that's going.


          Anti-terror ... isn't that rich. I am sure the terrorists are shaking in their boots.

          I heard that Al Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hofstad Network all showed up for the comic relief. They actually thought it was a comedy show by Dompig, not real.

          What next, Charlie Manson going to be teaching group therapy in Aruba?  :shock:  :lol:  :wink:


          I hope you saw Diverboy's comment on the front page about the Aruban Astronaut Program.

          Now there's an idea!


          There are a few names from there that I would like to nominate for their one way flight to Outer Space.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 08:45:47 PM
          Quote from: "nonesuche"
          :lol:  :lol: OF


          this is OF -----> (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/innocentsmily.gif)


          NOT meee...

          BTW
          I'm not real observant... but is BT's Avatar topless ?? :roll:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: nonesuche on May 09, 2007, 08:46:16 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Anyone here feeling the pain for OJ tonight?  He got kicked out of a steakhouse and is trying to play the race card.  Bless his cold, cold heart…..


          I am proud of this Jeff Ruby and proud he's in our country, one has to wonder why Aruba would so willingly allow the sporter and paulus as well as Anita and K2 to ramble about unfettered?  :roll:

          OJ has to deflect the truth, it's his ingrained modus operandi...


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 08:46:37 PM
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Quote from: "nonesuche"
          :lol:  :lol: OF


          this is OF -----> (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/innocentsmily.gif)


          NOT meee...

          BTW
          I'm not real observant... but is BT's Avatar topless ?? :roll:


          Sssshhhhhh, OF! You're not supposed to mention that.  :oops:  :oops:  :wink:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 08:46:42 PM
          Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          I’ve been unable to get any info on the Meneses person.  I wonder if Art Wood might remember the name.  If any of you can post at FOB or RU, how about asking the resident MF, if he knows who he is?


          I could post at RU this morning,don't know about now,tho :lol: What's this guys first name again?And what do you want me to ask?


          I think it is Andrea, or Andres.  I just want to know who he his and why he was questioned so, so many times during the summer of 2006.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 08:48:37 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Anyone here feeling the pain for OJ tonight?  He got kicked out of a steakhouse and is trying to play the race card.  Bless his cold, cold heart…..


          even the Manchebo Steak House has standards, he wouldn't get served there either. :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tibrogargan on May 09, 2007, 08:48:49 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "San"
          Well when he jumped he bent his knees and when he died he straightened them out and put his hand in his pocket. :roll:


          Okay, this is truly gross, but......what if he jumped and the impact broke his neck, even though his legs ended up on the ground? I don't know why someone would kill himself with his hand in his pocket, but in that terrible photo, it did look as if his neck was broken.


          When I read the original comment I took it to mean that the victim was murdered and then hung to make it look like a suicide.  But they placed one hand in a pocket as a sign and warning to others in the same group.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: greeneyedlady on May 09, 2007, 08:50:03 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          I’ve been unable to get any info on the Meneses person.  I wonder if Art Wood might remember the name.  If any of you can post at FOB or RU, how about asking the resident MF, if he knows who he is?


          I could post at RU this morning,don't know about now,tho :lol: What's this guys first name again?And what do you want me to ask?


          I think it is Andrea, or Andres.  I just want to know who he his and why he was questioned so, so many times during the summer of 2006.


          OK..


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 08:50:25 PM
          Quote from: "Red"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Didn't Dompig's anti-terror seminar start today?

          Wonder how that's going.


          Anti-terror ... isn't that rich. I am sure the terrorists are shaking in their boots.

          I heard that Al Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hofstad Network all showed up for the comic relief. They actually thought it was a comedy show by Dompig, not real.

          What next, Charlie Manson going to be teaching group therapy in Aruba?  :shock:  :lol:  :wink:



          ROFLMAO!!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tibrogargan on May 09, 2007, 08:50:52 PM
          Quote from: "oldfart"
          Quote from: "nonesuche"
          :lol:  :lol: OF


          this is OF -----> (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/innocentsmily.gif)


          NOT meee...

          BTW
          I'm not real observant... but is BT's Avatar topless ?? :roll:


          Yep - Anita purchased all the bra tops available


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 08:51:02 PM
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "San"
          Well when he jumped he bent his knees and when he died he straightened them out and put his hand in his pocket. :roll:


          Okay, this is truly gross, but......what if he jumped and the impact broke his neck, even though his legs ended up on the ground? I don't know why someone would kill himself with his hand in his pocket, but in that terrible photo, it did look as if his neck was broken.


          When I read the original comment I took it to mean that the victim was murdered and then hung to make it look like a suicide.  But they placed one hand in a pocket as a sign and warning to others in the same group.


          Maybe he was reaching for a pocket knife when he figured out he goofed.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 08:52:00 PM
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "San"
          Well when he jumped he bent his knees and when he died he straightened them out and put his hand in his pocket. :roll:


          Okay, this is truly gross, but......what if he jumped and the impact broke his neck, even though his legs ended up on the ground? I don't know why someone would kill himself with his hand in his pocket, but in that terrible photo, it did look as if his neck was broken.


          When I read the original comment I took it to mean that the victim was murdered and then hung to make it look like a suicide.  But they placed one hand in a pocket as a sign and warning to others in the same group.


          Well, I have to agree that the whole thing looked pretty darned odd.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 08:53:16 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          I’ve been unable to get any info on the Meneses person.  I wonder if Art Wood might remember the name.  If any of you can post at FOB or RU, how about asking the resident MF, if he knows who he is?


          I could post at RU this morning,don't know about now,tho :lol: What's this guys first name again?And what do you want me to ask?


          I think it is Andrea, or Andres.  I just want to know who he his and why he was questioned so, so many times during the summer of 2006.


          It depends on how they spelt it:
          Andres Meneses  or Andres Menses


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 08:53:52 PM
          1. Suicide
          2. Accident
          3. Homocide

          Almost looks like a menu.  Sir, will you be dying by suicide, accident, or homicide tonight?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tibrogargan on May 09, 2007, 08:54:48 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "San"
          Well when he jumped he bent his knees and when he died he straightened them out and put his hand in his pocket. :roll:


          Okay, this is truly gross, but......what if he jumped and the impact broke his neck, even though his legs ended up on the ground? I don't know why someone would kill himself with his hand in his pocket, but in that terrible photo, it did look as if his neck was broken.


          When I read the original comment I took it to mean that the victim was murdered and then hung to make it look like a suicide.  But they placed one hand in a pocket as a sign and warning to others in the same group.


          Maybe he was reaching for a pocket knife when he figured out he goofed.


          That would be like leaping off a tall building, then changing your mind halfway down.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 08:55:48 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          1. Suicide
          2. Accident
          3. Homocide

          Almost looks like a menu.  Sir, will you be dying by suicide, accident, or homicide tonight?


          And would you like some  poisoned fries to go with it?  :wink:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 08:56:22 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          1. Suicide
          2. Accident
          3. Homocide

          Almost looks like a menu.  Sir, will you be dying by suicide, accident, or homicide tonight?


          I wonder if the Dutch will review this with the ALE while they are there??


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tibrogargan on May 09, 2007, 08:57:52 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          1. Suicide
          2. Accident
          3. Homocide

          Almost looks like a menu.  Sir, will you be dying by suicide, accident, or homicide tonight?


          And would you like some  poisoned fries to go with it?  :wink:


          Angiex911 could supply the HOT BBQ chips????


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 08:58:09 PM
          OT - (surprise  :lol: )

          Any AI fans here?  Who will get the boot tonight?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 08:59:20 PM
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          1. Suicide
          2. Accident
          3. Homocide

          Almost looks like a menu.  Sir, will you be dying by suicide, accident, or homicide tonight?


          And would you like some  poisoned fries to go with it?  :wink:


          Angiex911 could supply the HOT BBQ chips????


          I don't think Angie will be having any of those around her for a while.  8)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 09:01:51 PM
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "San"
          Well when he jumped he bent his knees and when he died he straightened them out and put his hand in his pocket. :roll:


          Okay, this is truly gross, but......what if he jumped and the impact broke his neck, even though his legs ended up on the ground? I don't know why someone would kill himself with his hand in his pocket, but in that terrible photo, it did look as if his neck was broken.


          When I read the original comment I took it to mean that the victim was murdered and then hung to make it look like a suicide.  But they placed one hand in a pocket as a sign and warning to others in the same group.


          Maybe he was reaching for a pocket knife when he figured out he goofed.


          That would be like leaping off a tall building, then changing your mind halfway down.


          I’m being a little facetious, but Rob did spot his shoe a few feet away which would indicate he did some flailing around before his last breath.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tibrogargan on May 09, 2007, 09:04:03 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "San"
          Well when he jumped he bent his knees and when he died he straightened them out and put his hand in his pocket. :roll:


          Okay, this is truly gross, but......what if he jumped and the impact broke his neck, even though his legs ended up on the ground? I don't know why someone would kill himself with his hand in his pocket, but in that terrible photo, it did look as if his neck was broken.


          When I read the original comment I took it to mean that the victim was murdered and then hung to make it look like a suicide.  But they placed one hand in a pocket as a sign and warning to others in the same group.


          Maybe he was reaching for a pocket knife when he figured out he goofed.


          That would be like leaping off a tall building, then changing your mind halfway down.


          I’m being a little facetious, but Rob did spot his shoe a few feet away which would indicate he did some flailing around before his last breath.


          Could it have come off as they dragged the body over to where they were going to hang it?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 09:06:46 PM
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          Let's nudge them with numbers so they will hurry and get that going!  We need to be able to read the news from Aruba without waiting for days.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 09:11:56 PM
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"

          Could it have come off as they dragged the body over to where they were going to hang it?


          Yes, that could of happened.  It does look very strange.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tylergal on May 09, 2007, 09:12:14 PM
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Art Colley, so good to see you.  My baby is doing fine.  She is still rambunctious but very obedient if need be.  She has quit chasing kitties.  One of them put a claw in her nose, lesson well learned, so she no longer tries to herd them up.  We are thinking of getting a sheltie to go with her.   A friend has a 5-year-old one that drives her BP up, so we are thinking "playmates."  What do you think?



          Hi Tyler!
          YES..a playmate would be a good thing for A Border collie. And a Sheltie would be a perfect match.  A housemate will help her energy levels a lot! Mine keep eachother company and adore playing with the Bichon since she is just a energetic!  (Keeps a curious Border outta trouble, too!)

          CAts will always teach a dog who is boss and when its "time to quit"! :lol:


          I told DH we would ask you about it before deciding, as you would know.  He is reluctant but this baby has so much energy and she has already caused me to fall once and him twice.  She's gonna kill us. :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 09:12:18 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Got some feedback from 24ora.

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          Let's nudge them with numbers so they will hurry and get that going!  We need to be able to read the news from Aruba without waiting for days.

          They did post the VDS residence search in both English and Pap.  I think some Arubans complained about that too!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tiger on May 09, 2007, 09:14:58 PM
          well,who knows in aruba,what is murder and what is not.I like the new fashions,like BT and others.So sporter got a black eye in jail,oj got the cold shoulder and well,it is a good day


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 09:15:27 PM
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Art Colley, so good to see you.  My baby is doing fine.  She is still rambunctious but very obedient if need be.  She has quit chasing kitties.  One of them put a claw in her nose, lesson well learned, so she no longer tries to herd them up.  We are thinking of getting a sheltie to go with her.   A friend has a 5-year-old one that drives her BP up, so we are thinking "playmates."  What do you think?



          Hi Tyler!
          YES..a playmate would be a good thing for A Border collie. And a Sheltie would be a perfect match.  A housemate will help her energy levels a lot! Mine keep eachother company and adore playing with the Bichon since she is just a energetic!  (Keeps a curious Border outta trouble, too!)

          CAts will always teach a dog who is boss and when its "time to quit"! :lol:


          I told DH we would ask you about it before deciding, as you would know.  He is reluctant but this baby has so much energy and she has already caused me to fall once and him twice.  She's gonna kill us. :lol:



          YEs, she definitely needs a companion of the Canine persuasion! :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 09:16:00 PM
          Quote from: "Tiger"
          well,who knows in aruba,what is murder and what is not.I like the new fashions,like BT and others.So sporter got a black eye in jail,oj got the cold shoulder and well,it is a good day


          Shhhhh....like I already told OF, we're not talking about my (lack of) outfit.  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tiger on May 09, 2007, 09:17:00 PM
          I just read Posner payed the lawyer for the K2's,stranger and stranger.I wonder which side will crack first.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: bleachedblack on May 09, 2007, 09:17:12 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          ARUBA SACUDI CU TRES MORTO TRAGICO DEN 90 MINUUT
           
          ORANJESTAD (AAN): Aruba a conoce un anochi hopi malo Diamars cu varios caso cu mortonan violento. Un total di tres morto a keda registra den menos cu dos ora riba e isla y tur den e vecindario di e parti Noord.

          E prome caso a worde registra 11:02 p.m. na Bubali Plas na e Observation Tower. Aki un persona masculino a comete suicidio. Net pa 11:21 p.m., for di eynan mes a tende un accidente serio socede riba Sasaki. Un Tercel a dal violentamente contra un palo di luz, y e chofer a keda pega.

          Algun minuut despues el a fayece na Hospital. Como 45 minuut despues, pa 12:26 a.m., a drenta informe cu dos hende a tira y mata un homber na Boegoeroei. E supuesto tiradornan mes den un Daewoo Racer a bay drop su curpa na Hospital.

          El a yega morto debi na tiro a dal den su curazon. Pa 12:53 a.m., Polisnan cu a subi caya na gran escala, a logra di gara e dos hobennan den e Daewoo y nan a keda deteni.

          http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/9/

          I believe it's saying there were 3 deaths within 90 minutes.  

          1.  Suicide
          2.  Accident
          3.  Homocide
           


          Hi Monkeys, reading along...trying to catch-up But when I saw the latest Aruba suicide I really have to stop for a second. How is this guy with his feet touching the ground a suicide? Infact all of the last 3 suicides in aruba were very short drop hangings .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 09:18:44 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Got some feedback from 24ora.

          Thanks for visiting 24ora.com!

          We are currently working on an English version. Please sign up as a
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          Let's nudge them with numbers so they will hurry and get that going!  We need to be able to read the news from Aruba without waiting for days.

          They did post the VDS residence search in both English and Pap.  I think some Arubans complained about that too!


          The guy behind it is from the Netherlands and spent a good bit of time in the U.S.  Looks like he is looking for numbers to boost his advertising rates.  That might be a good thing for us.  I would love to be able to read this stuff as it is reported.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tiger on May 09, 2007, 09:18:56 PM
          Somebody or animal should notice and appreciate good looking females,since the ones  from aruba are ugly,very ugly


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 09:19:42 PM
          Quote from: "Tiger"
          I just read Posner payed the lawyer for the K2's,stranger and stranger.I wonder which side will crack first.

          Where did you hear that Tiger?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: oldfart on May 09, 2007, 09:22:12 PM
          ArtColley

          I do hope you can pass on all the Monkey's best wishes to SeaMonkey.
          Would be great if she had access to a PC..


          G'night Monkeys...

          SeeeYaaaByeee


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tylergal on May 09, 2007, 09:22:49 PM
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "Elaine"
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Artcolley - give Seamonkey a hug for us next time you see her.


          Klaas I sure will.
          I left a note on the prayer thread for her..she goes for a procedure tomorrow and won't know if she'll have a big surgery til they have her on the table and if she needs it, they'll proceed right there and then. Yikes.
          Artcolley, I will be prying for seamonkey and you!!


          THanks, Elaine!


          We wub you, Art and praying for Sea Monkey.  I think Peaches has probaby worked today.  Those CT scans take time to hear back the results and she might just not have anything to tell us.  I am hoping they are waiting a long time because it is so negative, they do not feel it important.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tibrogargan on May 09, 2007, 09:24:18 PM
          Quote from: "Tiger"
          Somebody or animal should notice and appreciate good looking females,since the ones  from aruba are ugly,very ugly


          Hello Tiger.
          You can take my word for it, all the males in Aruba are even uglier!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tylergal on May 09, 2007, 09:26:01 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          ARUBA SACUDI CU TRES MORTO TRAGICO DEN 90 MINUUT
           
          ORANJESTAD (AAN): Aruba a conoce un anochi hopi malo Diamars cu varios caso cu mortonan violento. Un total di tres morto a keda registra den menos cu dos ora riba e isla y tur den e vecindario di e parti Noord.

          E prome caso a worde registra 11:02 p.m. na Bubali Plas na e Observation Tower. Aki un persona masculino a comete suicidio. Net pa 11:21 p.m., for di eynan mes a tende un accidente serio socede riba Sasaki. Un Tercel a dal violentamente contra un palo di luz, y e chofer a keda pega.

          Algun minuut despues el a fayece na Hospital. Como 45 minuut despues, pa 12:26 a.m., a drenta informe cu dos hende a tira y mata un homber na Boegoeroei. E supuesto tiradornan mes den un Daewoo Racer a bay drop su curpa na Hospital.

          El a yega morto debi na tiro a dal den su curazon. Pa 12:53 a.m., Polisnan cu a subi caya na gran escala, a logra di gara e dos hobennan den e Daewoo y nan a keda deteni.

          http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/9/

          I believe it's saying there were 3 deaths within 90 minutes.  

          1.  Suicide
          2.  Accident
          3.  Homocide
           


          Sure they are always suicide and accidents.  I think #3 is the bingo for all of them.  That guy with the tennis shoe.  I am going to bet he had the right shoes and that is why he was killed.  This is Arubicide ,not suicide.  The shoe was a message to anyone else who opens their mouth against the Sloots.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Lifesong on May 09, 2007, 09:26:13 PM
          Hello all you wonderful Monkeys!!  I've been gone a loooong time - but many, many thanks to Klaas and Red for getting me back in.

          I stopped posting early in 2006 I think - poor self discipline in limiting my time here was starting to take its toll so I had to back off.  Still been stopping by here to read and stay caught up on the case though....you are all AWESOME and I'm soo glad to be back.   :D

          I'll start back slowly, but I've been reading all the witness/suspect statements again and the documents from the Dr. Phil case.....I'm noticing lots of disrepancies on stuff ya'll have probably already discussed, but will start wading in slowly.

          Robots - you had me laughing out loud yesterday when you went back to the shoe store with the camera.  Definately earned an Atta Boy with that one!  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 09:27:39 PM
          Quote from: "Lifesong"
          Hello all you wonderful Monkeys!!  I've been gone a loooong time - but many, many thanks to Klaas and Red for getting me back in.

          I stopped posting early in 2006 I think - poor self discipline in limiting my time here was starting to take its toll so I had to back off.  Still been stopping by here to read and stay caught up on the case though....you are all AWESOME and I'm soo glad to be back.   :D

          I'll start back slowly, but I've been reading all the witness/suspect statements again and the documents from the Dr. Phil case.....I'm noticing lots of disrepancies on stuff ya'll have probably already discussed, but will start wading in slowly.

          Robots - you had me laughing out loud yesterday when you went back to the shoe store with the camera.  Definately earned an Atta Boy with that one!  :lol:


          Hi Lifesong

          I'm old and have a bad memory. Do you mind saying where in TN you are?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 09:28:40 PM
          Quote from: "Lifesong"
          Hello all you wonderful Monkeys!!  I've been gone a loooong time - but many, many thanks to Klaas and Red for getting me back in.

          I stopped posting early in 2006 I think - poor self discipline in limiting my time here was starting to take its toll so I had to back off.  Still been stopping by here to read and stay caught up on the case though....you are all AWESOME and I'm soo glad to be back.   :D

          I'll start back slowly, but I've been reading all the witness/suspect statements again and the documents from the Dr. Phil case.....I'm noticing lots of disrepancies on stuff ya'll have probably already discussed, but will start wading in slowly.

          Robots - you had me laughing out loud yesterday when you went back to the shoe store with the camera.  Definately earned an Atta Boy with that one!  :lol:
          Welcome back Lifesong.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 09:29:06 PM
          Evening..
            Sorry to ask.. only read back the last few pages.. when is Danas show on tonight? Did ot start already?  TY
           And no BT and Tibro.. no blazing hot chips for this chick ever again.

          Rob if you are here.. did you see copters flying around today a good bit? Sone came into the store and said it was homeland security?
           being at work.. dont have any access to any type of news? Windered if you heard anything.. and why they were flying around the area?  :shock:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 09:29:19 PM
          Welcome back Lifesong!  I just added your avatar for you, hope you don't mind! :wink:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 09:29:51 PM
          Dana Pretzer is at 10pm ET tonight


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 09:30:14 PM
          Quote from: "Lifesong"
          Hello all you wonderful Monkeys!!  I've been gone a loooong time - but many, many thanks to Klaas and Red for getting me back in.

          I stopped posting early in 2006 I think - poor self discipline in limiting my time here was starting to take its toll so I had to back off.  Still been stopping by here to read and stay caught up on the case though....you are all AWESOME and I'm soo glad to be back.   :D

          I'll start back slowly, but I've been reading all the witness/suspect statements again and the documents from the Dr. Phil case.....I'm noticing lots of disrepancies on stuff ya'll have probably already discussed, but will start wading in slowly.

          Robots - you had me laughing out loud yesterday when you went back to the shoe store with the camera.  Definately earned an Atta Boy with that one!  :lol:



            Welcome back  :D


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Lifesong on May 09, 2007, 09:30:35 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"


          Hi Lifesong

          I'm old and have a bad memory. Do you mind saying where in TN you are?



          Hi BT - I'm just outside of Nashville - south of Gallatin on the Wilson/Sumner county line.

          Klaas - I think my avatar must be too big?  Can you help me fix it?

          Thanks!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 09:30:51 PM
          Hi Angie.

          I hope your throat is okay today.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 09:31:33 PM
          Quote from: "Lifesong"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"


          Hi Lifesong

          I'm old and have a bad memory. Do you mind saying where in TN you are?



          Hi BT - I'm just outside of Nashville - south of Gallatin on the Wilson/Sumner county line.

          Klaas - I think my avatar must be too big?  Can you help me fix it?

          Thanks!


          Gotcha! :wink:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 09:32:21 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"


          I’m being a little facetious, but Rob did spot his shoe a few feet away which would indicate he did some flailing around before his last breath.


          Here it is.
          (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Arubasuicidebyhanging8.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 09:32:28 PM
          Lifesong - the only way avatars work now is to have them in photobucket, the paste the link without the IMG tags into the third option in your profile for avatars.  I added your old one for you but I see you've tried to add one yourself now and it didn't work.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Lifesong on May 09, 2007, 09:32:39 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"

            Welcome back  :D



          Hi Angie - you sweetheart!!  Stay away from the x-tra hot chips, eh?   :shock:


          Thanks Klaas - I see you fixed it!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 09:32:57 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Hi Angie.

          I hope your throat is okay today.

           Its fine. forgot all about it when I had to deal with a crackhead woman in the store.. unreal she was.  :roll:  :roll:  tell yah about that ordeal at another time.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 09:34:41 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Hi Angie.

          I hope your throat is okay today.

           Its fine. forgot all about it when I had to deal with a crackhead woman in the store.. unreal she was.  :roll:  :roll:  tell yah about that ordeal at another time.


          At least work wasn't boring for you - right?  :)

          I had to listen to a bunch a people talking about "Collaborating For Oral Health."  :roll: Zzzzzzzzz.......................


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 09:36:04 PM
          No BT not boring at all.. lol

          Ummmmmm. again what time does Danas show start? TY  :oops:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 09:37:22 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Evening..
            Sorry to ask.. only read back the last few pages.. when is Danas show on tonight? Did ot start already?  TY
           And no BT and Tibro.. no blazing hot chips for this chick ever again.

          Rob if you are here.. did you see copters flying around today a good bit? Sone came into the store and said it was homeland security?
           being at work.. dont have any access to any type of news? Windered if you heard anything.. and why they were flying around the area?  :shock:


          I didn't any helicopters.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tiger on May 09, 2007, 09:37:32 PM
          klass,u have mail.I am eating antelope right now,tasty.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 09:39:59 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Evening..
            Sorry to ask.. only read back the last few pages.. when is Danas show on tonight? Did ot start already?  TY
           And no BT and Tibro.. no blazing hot chips for this chick ever again.

          Rob if you are here.. did you see copters flying around today a good bit? Sone came into the store and said it was homeland security?
           being at work.. dont have any access to any type of news? Windered if you heard anything.. and why they were flying around the area?  :shock:


          I didn't any helicopters.


           Thanks.. they were all over Greensburg and Jeannette.. maybe something will be on TV at all.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 09:40:19 PM
          Quote from: "Tiger"
          klass,u have mail.I am eating antelope right now,tasty.

          I heard antelope was gamey :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 09:40:25 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Evening..
            Sorry to ask.. only read back the last few pages.. when is Danas show on tonight? Did ot start already?  TY
           And no BT and Tibro.. no blazing hot chips for this chick ever again.

          Rob if you are here.. did you see copters flying around today a good bit? Sone came into the store and said it was homeland security?
           being at work.. dont have any access to any type of news? Windered if you heard anything.. and why they were flying around the area?  :shock:


          I didn't any helicopters.


          I think the missing word is see.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 09:41:16 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Tiger"
          klass,u have mail.I am eating antelope right now,tasty.

          I heard antelope was gamey :lol:


          I know where you can get a bunch of turtles. :D


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 09:42:15 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Evening..
            Sorry to ask.. only read back the last few pages.. when is Danas show on tonight? Did ot start already?  TY
           And no BT and Tibro.. no blazing hot chips for this chick ever again.

          Rob if you are here.. did you see copters flying around today a good bit? Sone came into the store and said it was homeland security?
           being at work.. dont have any access to any type of news? Windered if you heard anything.. and why they were flying around the area?  :shock:


          I didn't any helicopters.


          I think the missing word is see.



           LOL and my missinng word was suppose to be at 11 not at all.. duh me.
           I knew what you mean though.  Thanks.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tylergal on May 09, 2007, 09:43:43 PM
          Who says that MF stands for Monkey Fan.  I did not know that.  I thought MF was the one who put the concrete around the Sloot house.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 09:43:44 PM
          Oh.. I am glad to see I haven'nt missed Danas show. I looked at the FP.. :oops:  Looking forward to hearing what Art Wood has to say!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Red on May 09, 2007, 09:47:24 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Oh.. I am glad to see I haven'nt missed Danas show. I looked at the FP.. :oops:  Looking forward to hearing what Art Wood has to say!


          Yup, don't forget Dana comes on in about 15 minutes.


          http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/05/09/the-dana-pretzer-show-special-guests-mike-mcintyre-clint-van-zandt-and-art-woods/


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 09:48:04 PM
          Quote from: "Red"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Oh.. I am glad to see I haven'nt missed Danas show. I looked at the FP.. :oops:  Looking forward to hearing what Art Wood has to say!


          Yup, don't forget Dana comes on in about 15 minutes.


          http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/05/09/the-dana-pretzer-show-special-guests-mike-mcintyre-clint-van-zandt-and-art-woods/


           Thanks  Red :)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: casa on May 09, 2007, 09:49:07 PM
          Hey Monkeys! Just popping in to speak and read!  I'm watching American Idol and Barry Gibb is singing my most favorite Bee Gee song ever!!!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 09:51:03 PM
          Quote from: "casa"
          Hey Monkeys! Just popping in to speak and read!  I'm watching American Idol and Barry Gibb is singing my most favorite Bee Gee song ever!!!!


          Who is gonna get the boot?  Blake?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 09:51:54 PM
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Who says that MF stands for Monkey Fan.  I did not know that.  I thought MF was the one who put the concrete around the Sloot house.


          I'm afraid that's my attempt at dry wit.  :)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 09:52:48 PM
          Quote from: "casa"
          Hey Monkeys! Just popping in to speak and read!  I'm watching American Idol and Barry Gibb is singing my most favorite Bee Gee song ever!!!!


           Hey Casa!  :D  <I always thought he was a doll when I was young.. loved his hair wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy back when,,lol>


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 09:53:05 PM
          Quote from: "Lifesong"
          Hello all you wonderful Monkeys!!  I've been gone a loooong time - but many, many thanks to Klaas and Red for getting me back in.

          I stopped posting early in 2006 I think - poor self discipline in limiting my time here was starting to take its toll so I had to back off.  Still been stopping by here to read and stay caught up on the case though....you are all AWESOME and I'm soo glad to be back.   :D

          I'll start back slowly, but I've been reading all the witness/suspect statements again and the documents from the Dr. Phil case.....I'm noticing lots of disrepancies on stuff ya'll have probably already discussed, but will start wading in slowly.

          Robots - you had me laughing out loud yesterday when you went back to the shoe store with the camera.  Definately earned an Atta Boy with that one!  :lol:



           :wink:
          thank you, im just lurking because i get into trouble every time i mention the "FOOT PROTECTORS"    <----  code word for a 5 letter word that begins with S_ _ _ _


           :twisted:

          slithering back into CAMO LURK mode


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Frijole on May 09, 2007, 09:53:21 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "casa"
          Hey Monkeys! Just popping in to speak and read!  I'm watching American Idol and Barry Gibb is singing my most favorite Bee Gee song ever!!!!


          Who is gonna get the boot?  Blake?


          I think he earned the boot last night but I think he'll get the "guy" vote and LaKeesha leaves.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 09:53:43 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "casa"
          Hey Monkeys! Just popping in to speak and read!  I'm watching American Idol and Barry Gibb is singing my most favorite Bee Gee song ever!!!!


          Who is gonna get the boot?  Blake?

          Yep.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: casa on May 09, 2007, 09:53:46 PM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "casa"
          Hey Monkeys! Just popping in to speak and read!  I'm watching American Idol and Barry Gibb is singing my most favorite Bee Gee song ever!!!!


          Who is gonna get the boot?  Blake?


          I think so!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 09:55:21 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          DANA PRETZER - TONIGHT
           
          Wednesday May 9th 2007 10pm et
           
          Guests
           
          Mike McIntyre
          Justice Reporter - Winnipeg Free Press
          Host - "Crime And Punishment" on the Corus Radio Network
          Author - "To The Grave: Inside A Spectacular RCMP Sting"
          Website - www.mikeoncrime.com
          Blog - www.winnipegfreepress2.com/blogs/mcintyre/index.php

          Also
           
          Police Officer and Author Pete Bollinger “How to Get Hired in Law Enforcement and Fire.

          Also

          Clint Van Zandt
          Art Wood


           
          www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio


          REMINDER


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: casa on May 09, 2007, 09:55:34 PM
          Quote from: "Frijole"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "casa"
          Hey Monkeys! Just popping in to speak and read!  I'm watching American Idol and Barry Gibb is singing my most favorite Bee Gee song ever!!!!


          Who is gonna get the boot?  Blake?


          I think he earned the boot last night but I think he'll get the "guy" vote and LaKeesha leaves.


          Looks like you might have been right cause he is staying!  He was awful last night though!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 09:55:39 PM
          Quote from: "Lifesong"
          Hello all you wonderful Monkeys!!  I've been gone a loooong time - but many, many thanks to Klaas and Red for getting me back in.

          I stopped posting early in 2006 I think - poor self discipline in limiting my time here was starting to take its toll so I had to back off.  Still been stopping by here to read and stay caught up on the case though....you are all AWESOME and I'm soo glad to be back.   :D

          I'll start back slowly, but I've been reading all the witness/suspect statements again and the documents from the Dr. Phil case.....I'm noticing lots of disrepancies on stuff ya'll have probably already discussed, but will start wading in slowly.

          Robots - you had me laughing out loud yesterday when you went back to the shoe store with the camera.  Definately earned an Atta Boy with that one!  :lol:


          then i actually BOUGHT THEM, they wouldnt let me take pictures
          at first because i was interrupting the NORMAL customers
           
          he wasnt buying the fact that i was on an active investigation


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 09:58:50 PM
          Anyone else have WinAmp on? I have it on now. Johny Wayne thingy on?
           I hope I have the right staiton.. lol

           Oh yeah I do..

           The MONEKYS song is coming on NOW!!   lol


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tiger on May 09, 2007, 09:59:12 PM
          Klass,I will try to remember.Antelope taste like free range chicky,but turtles are better.Hey Easy,enjoy Andrea for me,looks like a long season.I will stock up with red wine and chockies


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 09:59:33 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Anyone else have WinAmp on? I have it on now. Johny Wayne thingy on?
           I hope I have the right staiton.. lol

           Oh yeah I do..

           The MONEKYS song is coming on NOW!!   lol


           :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 10:00:33 PM
          i will just wait for the transcript

          cant hear a damn thing

          gave up

          its my machine im sure.....damn it


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 10:00:38 PM
          Quote from: "robots"

          he wasnt buying the fact that i was on an active investigation


          That's because he's not cool enough to be familiar with the new robot investigators. :wink:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tiger on May 09, 2007, 10:00:45 PM
          Braves win,braves win.Savannah will get hit


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kat_Gram on May 09, 2007, 10:00:55 PM
          Hey Hey we're the Monkeys.... it's ON


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Frijole on May 09, 2007, 10:01:02 PM
          Yes Casa, you and Easy and the others were right.. he was awful last night.. it became a nos. game I think.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Lifesong on May 09, 2007, 10:01:29 PM
          Ok guys - here's my first attempt at wading in slowly.....


          From PVDS statement on 6/23/05:

          (At this point in the statement he is supposedly declaring what happened on Tuesday, 5/31/05, when he picks Joran up from school and they go to the police station so that Joran can make a statement.)

          Quote
          I was there when Joran made his statement.
          We made a few changes in the concept with regard to factualities instead
          of observations. At approximately 14.00 hours Joran signed his statement
          and we went to lunch in Mc Donalds or Wendy's, which of these fast food
          restaurants we ate I cannot remember anymore.



          From Joran's 6/14/05 Statement:

          (Regarding the same timeline event....)

          Quote
          At approximately 16.00 pm, we were finished at the police station in Bubali. My father and me went to Taco Bell. We ate there.



          Now, I realize this is a detail of no particular consequence...but it just screamed out at me.  My son turns 13 in May.  I can assure you that IF I ever have to take him to a police station to make a statement in a missing person case, I'll doggone sure remember where I take him immediately afterward to eat and talk all about it.  Seriously.

          The message I got from this wasn't one of faulty memory or lack of sleep.  It was blatant sabotage of every single fact, no matter how small, in order to confuse, confound and obstruct any investigation whatsoever.  Funny tho, I tend to believe Joran that they ate at Taco Bell and my instinct is that Paulus is the one stonewalling - he knows darn well where they ate.  No detail was too small to lie about.   :evil:  :evil:

          [/b]


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 10:01:40 PM
          HELP!!!

          Once I click on the icon ... then what?  I do not have a clue how I get to listen to the show.

          Janet


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 10:02:05 PM
          Quote from: "robots"
          i will just wait for the transcript

          cant hear a damn thing

          gave up

          its my machine im sure.....damn it

           

           Robots.. I feel for you.. it can be frustrating.
           Did you ever load Winamp media player?  its the only thing that works for me.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 10:02:29 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "robots"

          he wasnt buying the fact that i was on an active investigation


          That's because he's not cool enough to be familiar with the new robot investigators. :wink:



           8)  :mrgreen:  :thumright:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 10:03:06 PM
          Here is my weekly plug for itunes.

          If you sign up for it, then you just go there to listen to Dana's show. You're instantly connected and it sounds great.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Red on May 09, 2007, 10:03:57 PM
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          HELP!!!

          Once I click on the icon ... then what?  I do not have a clue how I get to listen to the show.

          Janet


          Click on this icon on the upper right.

          (http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio/wp-content/themes/wp-andreas01-12/img/danalistenlive.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 10:04:17 PM
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          HELP!!!

          Once I click on the icon ... then what?  I do not have a clue how I get to listen to the show.

          Janet


           Janet,
            After you clicked on the link what happened?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 10:04:27 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "robots"
          i will just wait for the transcript

          cant hear a damn thing

          gave up

          its my machine im sure.....damn it

           

           Robots.. I feel for you.. it can be frustrating.
           Did you ever load Winamp media player?  its the only thing that works for me.


          i loaded and unloaded several times


          geeesh, that sounded like i was using my hand gun  :shock:   8)

          dont want to skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer anyone  8)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 10:04:34 PM
          Nothing


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 10:05:28 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Anyone else have WinAmp on? I have it on now. Johny Wayne thingy on?
           I hope I have the right staiton.. lol

           Oh yeah I do..

           The MONEKYS song is coming on NOW!!   lol


          it pops open in Real Player for me.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 10:05:30 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          HELP!!!

          Once I click on the icon ... then what?  I do not have a clue how I get to listen to the show.

          Janet


           Janet,
            After you clicked on the link what happened?


          A page with something about a commentary ... police officer.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 10:07:12 PM
          Janet - after you go to this link, click on the LISTEN LIVE icon on the right hand side.  It should pop up in your media player.

          http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio/


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 10:07:19 PM
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          Nothing


            Janet sweety.. Im sorry.. I am puter dumb ..
           Rbb posted it opens in real player? Do you have that on your pc??


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 10:09:04 PM
          Lifesong - you are correct.  Deliberate attempt to confuse the investigation.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 10:09:09 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Anyone else have WinAmp on? I have it on now. Johny Wayne thingy on?
           I hope I have the right staiton.. lol

           Oh yeah I do..

           The MONEKYS song is coming on NOW!!   lol


          it pops open in Real Player for me.


           This Vista shit I have sucks... dont quite get it yet. But the WinAmp does work.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 10:10:11 PM
          Klaas ... where is the "listen live" icon located on the page?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 10:11:20 PM
          Quote from: "robots"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "robots"
          i will just wait for the transcript

          cant hear a damn thing

          gave up

          its my machine im sure.....damn it

           

           Robots.. I feel for you.. it can be frustrating.
           Did you ever load Winamp media player?  its the only thing that works for me.


          i loaded and unloaded several times


          geeesh, that sounded like i was using my hand gun  :shock:   8)

          dont want to skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer anyone  8)


            LOL  Robots..
           you don't skeeeeeeeeeeeer  me..  :lol:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 10:11:35 PM
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          Klaas ... where is the "listen live" icon located on the page?


          On the right hand side


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 10:12:37 PM
          I think the U.S. is taking one on the chin tonight.   :?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 10:12:40 PM
          Quote from: "Lifesong"
          Ok guys - here's my first attempt at wading in slowly.....


          From PVDS statement on 6/23/05:

          (At this point in the statement he is supposedly declaring what happened on Tuesday, 5/31/05, when he picks Joran up from school and they go to the police station so that Joran can make a statement.)

          Quote
          I was there when Joran made his statement.
          We made a few changes in the concept with regard to factualities instead
          of observations. At approximately 14.00 hours Joran signed his statement
          and we went to lunch in Mc Donalds or Wendy's, which of these fast food
          restaurants we ate I cannot remember anymore.



          From Joran's 6/14/05 Statement:

          (Regarding the same timeline event....)

          Quote
          At approximately 16.00 pm, we were finished at the police station in Bubali. My father and me went to Taco Bell. We ate there.



          Now, I realize this is a detail of no particular consequence...but it just screamed out at me.  My son turns 13 in May.  I can assure you that IF I ever have to take him to a police station to make a statement in a missing person case, I'll doggone sure remember where I take him immediately afterward to eat and talk all about it.  Seriously.

          The message I got from this wasn't one of faulty memory or lack of sleep.  It was blatant sabotage of every single fact, no matter how small, in order to confuse, confound and obstruct any investigation whatsoever.  Funny tho, I tend to believe Joran that they ate at Taco Bell and my instinct is that Paulus is the one stonewalling - he knows darn well where they ate.  No detail was too small to lie about.   :evil:  :evil:

          [/b]


          yep!!  

          lies everywhere

          big and small

          doesnt matter

          just lie like there is NO tomorrow


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 10:13:42 PM
          Quote from: "Tylergal"
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "Elaine"
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Artcolley - give Seamonkey a hug for us next time you see her.


          Klaas I sure will.
          I left a note on the prayer thread for her..she goes for a procedure tomorrow and won't know if she'll have a big surgery til they have her on the table and if she needs it, they'll proceed right there and then. Yikes.
          Artcolley, I will be prying for seamonkey and you!!


          THanks, Elaine!


          We wub you, Art and praying for Sea Monkey.  I think Peaches has probaby worked today.  Those CT scans take time to hear back the results and she might just not have anything to tell us.  I am hoping they are waiting a long time because it is so negative, they do not feel it important.


          Thank you, Tylergal
          I'll let you all know how she fares.

          I am praying like crazy for Peaches and I am sure all is well with her!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 10:14:08 PM
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          Klaas ... where is the "listen live" icon located on the page?


          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/listenlive2.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 10:14:11 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "robots"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "robots"
          i will just wait for the transcript

          cant hear a damn thing

          gave up

          its my machine im sure.....damn it

           

           Robots.. I feel for you.. it can be frustrating.
           Did you ever load Winamp media player?  its the only thing that works for me.


          i loaded and unloaded several times


          geeesh, that sounded like i was using my hand gun  :shock:   8)

          dont want to skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer anyone  8)


            LOL  Robots..
           you don't skeeeeeeeeeeeer  me..  :lol:  :lol:


          well, thats good

          dont want to skeeeeeeeer the ladies  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 10:14:48 PM
          I just get a grey icon - something about saving the file.

          Klaas ... You just go and listen to the show and ... I will listen later.

          Thank you very much.

          Janet


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 10:15:19 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          Klaas ... where is the "listen live" icon located on the page?


          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/listenlive2.jpg)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 10:15:40 PM
          Quote from: "robots"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "robots"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "robots"
          i will just wait for the transcript

          cant hear a damn thing

          gave up

          its my machine im sure.....damn it

           

           Robots.. I feel for you.. it can be frustrating.
           Did you ever load Winamp media player?  its the only thing that works for me.


          i loaded and unloaded several times


          geeesh, that sounded like i was using my hand gun  :shock:   8)

          dont want to skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer anyone  8)


            LOL  Robots..
           you don't skeeeeeeeeeeeer  me..  :lol:  :lol:


          well, thats good

          dont want to skeeeeeeeer the ladies  :lol:


          .... or I will squeeeeeel.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 10:16:14 PM
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          Quote from: "robots"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "robots"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "robots"
          i will just wait for the transcript

          cant hear a damn thing

          gave up

          its my machine im sure.....damn it

           

           Robots.. I feel for you.. it can be frustrating.
           Did you ever load Winamp media player?  its the only thing that works for me.


          i loaded and unloaded several times


          geeesh, that sounded like i was using my hand gun  :shock:   8)

          dont want to skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer anyone  8)


            LOL  Robots..
           you don't skeeeeeeeeeeeer  me..  :lol:  :lol:


          well, thats good

          dont want to skeeeeeeeer the ladies  :lol:


          .... or I will squeeeeeel.



          LOL  :lol:

          robots out

          work to do  8)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 10:16:52 PM
          LOL Robots and Janet..
            Janet see what Klaas posted.. with the circle on it?  F Go to the FP on SM.. and click on that box she has circled.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 10:17:09 PM
          Quote from: "robots"

          dont want to skeeeeeeeer the ladies  :lol:


          Then don't use those pick up lines anymore.  :P


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 10:18:12 PM
          This Mike person is interesting  ..


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: tcumom on May 09, 2007, 10:20:08 PM
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          I just get a grey icon - something about saving the file.

          Klaas ... You just go and listen to the show and ... I will listen later.

          Thank you very much.

          Janet

          Janet ~ that grey icon comes up for me, too ~ after a few seconds which seemed forever, the broadcast came thru  :?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 10:20:21 PM
          Angie ... I clicked that icon and ... this I get a grey icon ask if I want to save the file.

          Hey ... I should have test this out sooner .... just listen to the show and ... I will catch up later.

          Thanks hon

          Janet


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 10:20:44 PM
          Janet, when you get the gray box that says 'save'.. click ok... it will then open in Real Player or whatever player you have previously choosen.

          It should open in your default player. My default player is WM but for some reason it opens in Real Player for me.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 10:20:58 PM
          Quote from: "tcumom"
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          I just get a grey icon - something about saving the file.

          Klaas ... You just go and listen to the show and ... I will listen later.

          Thank you very much.

          Janet

          Janet ~ that grey icon comes up for me, too ~ after a few seconds which seemed forever, the broadcast came thru  :?


          Thanks


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 10:21:24 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "robots"

          dont want to skeeeeeeeer the ladies  :lol:


          Then don't use those pick up lines anymore.  :P



           8)  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Lifesong on May 09, 2007, 10:22:04 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"


          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/listenlive2.jpg)



          I had to d/l winamp, but am hearing it clearly.  Am impressed with how very professional Dana is - first time I've heard him.  

          I'm excited to hear what's coming from Clint Van Zandt and Art Woods!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 10:24:19 PM
          Quote from: "Lifesong"
          Quote from: "klaasend"


          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/listenlive2.jpg)



          I had to d/l winamp, but am hearing it clearly.  Am impressed with how very professional Dana is - first time I've heard him.  

          I'm excited to hear what's coming from Clint Van Zandt and Art Woods!


            Dana does an awessome job !!  :)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 10:24:46 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          Klaas ... where is the "listen live" icon located on the page?


          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/listenlive2.jpg)

          I finally got on through RealPlayer and my Itunes opened up :?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: yapperz1 on May 09, 2007, 10:25:59 PM
          San is your puter haunted or just cantankerous?  :lol:

          Hiya Monkeys


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 10:26:23 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          Klaas ... where is the "listen live" icon located on the page?


          (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/listenlive2.jpg)

          I finally got on through RealPlayer and my Itunes opened up :?


          That must be my fault.  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 10:28:08 PM
          Quote from: "yapperz1"
          San is your puter haunted or just cantankerous?  :lol:

          Hiya Monkeys


           Hey Yap sistah!  :D


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 10:29:24 PM
          Quote from: "yapperz1"
          San is your puter haunted or just cantankerous?  :lol:

          Hiya Monkeys

          Yap I used to always get on through my Itunes and it stopped when I was having that problem with my drivers and the volume and my computer would freeze.  I opened RealPlayer and put http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio/ in the address and it came up and opened my Itunes also.  Very strange but who cares as long as I can hear it.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 10:29:37 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Janet, when you get the gray box that says 'save'.. click ok... it will then open in Real Player or whatever player you have previously choosen.

          It should open in your default player. My default player is WM but for some reason it opens in Real Player for me.


          I am sooo confused.

          I will practice another time.

          Thanks Rob.

          Janet


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: AZLady on May 09, 2007, 10:29:45 PM
          Hi Monkeys.  Listening to Dana's music now.  Taking me back a few decades...  Dana on now.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: AZLady on May 09, 2007, 10:30:33 PM
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Janet, when you get the gray box that says 'save'.. click ok... it will then open in Real Player or whatever player you have previously choosen.

          It should open in your default player. My default player is WM but for some reason it opens in Real Player for me.


          I am sooo confused.

          I will practice another time.

          Thanks Rob.

          Janet


          Janet, try downloading the free Realplayer.  It will install the codecs you need.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 10:31:23 PM
          Quote from: "AZLady"
          Hi Monkeys.  Listening to Dana's music now.  Taking me back a few decades...  Dana on now.


           Nice song that was.. made me think of someone .  lol


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: AZLady on May 09, 2007, 10:32:18 PM
          http://www.real.com/realplayer.html?pageid=broadBandChoicePage_Test&pageregion=player_button&src=realplayer%2Crpchoice_1_3_1_0_0_1_0&pcode=rn&opage=rpchoice


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: AZLady on May 09, 2007, 10:33:35 PM
          Clint is talking about the terrorist group they arrested this week in New Jersey.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 10:34:22 PM
          I found it interesting that the Canadian news media is considered to be far superior to the U.S. by the guest, yet the big three in this country has always been the brass ring for Canadian broadcasters along with many entertainers that have immigrated to this country.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 10:34:59 PM
          Quote from: "AZLady"
          Clint is talking about the terrorist group they arrested this week in New Jersey.

          I heard on the news in NY they were targeting a place in Staten Island also :shock:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 10:35:17 PM
          Quote from: "AZLady"
          Clint is talking about the terrorist group they arrested this week in New Jersey.


           Unreal about the clerk huh?  Shes a hero !
           Read about it in the paper ealrier today at work.
           Skeery stuff.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: AZLady on May 09, 2007, 10:36:26 PM
          Easy, probably one is talking about quality of news reporting, while the other aspire to American money and fame that American broadcasters command.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 10:36:34 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "AZLady"
          Clint is talking about the terrorist group they arrested this week in New Jersey.

          I heard on the news in NY they were targeting a place in Staten Island also :shock:



           :shock:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 10:37:34 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "AZLady"
          Clint is talking about the terrorist group they arrested this week in New Jersey.

          I heard on the news in NY they were targeting a place in Staten Island also :shock:



          ACK..most of my rellies are there! Family from there and Joisey. :shock:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 10:39:07 PM
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "AZLady"
          Clint is talking about the terrorist group they arrested this week in New Jersey.

          I heard on the news in NY they were targeting a place in Staten Island also :shock:


          ACK..most of my rellies are there! Family from there and Joisey. :shock:

          Art that's where I'm from.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 10:39:39 PM
          Night monkeys. (http://bestsmileys.com/dental/2.gif)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Lifesong on May 09, 2007, 10:40:28 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "AZLady"
          Clint is talking about the terrorist group they arrested this week in New Jersey.

          I heard on the news in NY they were targeting a place in Staten Island also :shock:


          ACK..most of my rellies are there! Family from there and Joisey. :shock:

          Art that's where I'm from.



          Loved that quote from Clint Van Zandt:  "We all have a dog in the fight.  The dog's name is freedom."


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 10:40:47 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Night monkeys. (http://bestsmileys.com/dental/2.gif)


           You REALLY need to hide Simons brushes BT  lol
           have a great night... the both of yah.  :wink:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Lifesong on May 09, 2007, 10:41:28 PM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Night monkeys. (http://bestsmileys.com/dental/2.gif)


          'Nite BT.  Sleep well and sweet dreams.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 10:41:51 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Night monkeys. (http://bestsmileys.com/dental/2.gif)


           You REALLY need to hide Simons brushes BT  lol
           have a great night... the both of yah.  :wink:


          Hee hee.  :wink:

          You have a great night too!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 09, 2007, 10:42:25 PM
          Quote from: "Lifesong"
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Night monkeys. (http://bestsmileys.com/dental/2.gif)


          'Nite BT.  Sleep well and sweet dreams.


          Thanks. Same to you.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 09, 2007, 10:45:03 PM
          Quote from: "AZLady"
          Easy, probably one is talking about quality of news reporting, while the other aspire to American money and fame that American broadcasters command.


          Well, I am no sheep and I do watch several news programs during the typical day.  Apparently the guest also listens to several American broadcast as well.  Unfortunately, my satellite package does not provide one single, solitary Canadian news channel.

          There are things I do not like about the cable entertainment “news” programs in this country, but I can always change the channel.  I don’t know why that is a problem in Canada.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Lifesong on May 09, 2007, 10:45:45 PM
          I have a question for anybody who may know.  This recent search is the first I'd heard of anything about the 'garden' at the sloot's.  Had this come up before?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 10:46:09 PM
          Dammit.. Is anyone elses Winamp cutting in and out or is it just me?
           I am hearing about every 3 words that Clint is saying.. :(


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 10:46:35 PM
          Clint thinks the only way it's going to be solved is if someone on the inside who was there tells us what happened.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 10:48:35 PM
          Quote from: "Lifesong"
          I have a question for anybody who may know.  This recent search is the first I'd heard of anything about the 'garden' at the sloot's.  Had this come up before?

          They said it was from a tip.  In one of his statements Paulus does say he was working in the garden.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 10:50:13 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "AZLady"
          Clint is talking about the terrorist group they arrested this week in New Jersey.

          I heard on the news in NY they were targeting a place in Staten Island also :shock:


          ACK..most of my rellies are there! Family from there and Joisey. :shock:

          Art that's where I'm from.


          WOW, San!
          Small world!!! :lol:
          My parents were the only ones of the family to move to New England where I was raised!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 10:50:37 PM
          Art Wood coming up next


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 10:50:55 PM
          Really good show so far...


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Dayhiker on May 09, 2007, 10:51:49 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Dammit.. Is anyone elses Winamp cutting in and out or is it just me?
           I am hearing about every 3 words that Clint is saying.. :(


          Ange, mine popped up on Realplayer and it has been superb. Can you switch?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 10:52:02 PM
          I'm glad Clint touched on the two year statue. I'm telling you that thing exists.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Lifesong on May 09, 2007, 10:52:52 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Lifesong"
          I have a question for anybody who may know.  This recent search is the first I'd heard of anything about the 'garden' at the sloot's.  Had this come up before?

          They said it was from a tip.  In one of his statements Paulus does say he was working in the garden.


          Thanks, San.

          Angie - my winamp isn't cutting in and out.  Art Woods is coming up next.

          The scene Clint just described at C & C's is very similiar to what I've seen at various Senor Frog's in the Carribean/Mexico.  They'll pick patrons, blow a whistle and then tilt your head back and pour free drinks down you.  Girls get longer pours than guys.  We were amazed just watching it the first time.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 10:53:05 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Clint thinks the only way it's going to be solved is if someone on the inside who was there tells us what happened.



          I tend to agree with him.

          Unless the Dutch are keeping some really good info to themselves for now, I still think this was a dog and pony show.
          Time will tell.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Dayhiker on May 09, 2007, 10:53:16 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Really good show so far...



          Fantastic Rob. Some really good insight from Cliff Van Zandt about the not so happy island.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 10:55:09 PM
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Artcolley"
          Quote from: "San"
          I heard on the news in NY they were targeting a place in Staten Island also :shock:

          ACK..most of my rellies are there! Family from there and Joisey. :shock:

          Art that's where I'm from.

          WOW, San!
          Small world!!! :lol:
          My parents were the only ones of the family to move to New England where I was raised!

          It is a small world Art.  I was born and raised here.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 10:57:10 PM
          Quote from: "Dayhiker"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Really good show so far...



          Fantastic Rob. Some really good insight from Cliff Van Zandt about the not so happy island.


          The Sloots are the only ones happy. Everyone else has got to be as hot as a firecracker.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 10:58:12 PM
          Quote from: "Dayhiker"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Dammit.. Is anyone elses Winamp cutting in and out or is it just me?
           I am hearing about every 3 words that Clint is saying.. :(


          Ange, mine popped up on Realplayer and it has been superb. Can you switch?


            HI Sweety..
            Its working now ok for some reason? There for a few mintues it cut in and out. maybe cause my PC was running my spyware program.
            I clicked it off.. and its ok now?  It  scans around this time every night.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 10:58:21 PM
          Art said the ALE actively tried to cover up what happened in Aruba.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 11:00:50 PM
          Art Wood believes there are at least 5 people that know what happened to Natalee.  If one of them talks it will lead right back to Joran.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 11:00:51 PM
          Art said he hopes that the Dutch are intent on the leads that need to be followed.

          The suspect interviews and interviews of witnesses are incomplete.

          Art said he believes there are a least 5 people who know what happened to Natalle.  And if they talk it will all lead to this rich prince Joran.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 11:01:30 PM
          Art says 5 people know what happened.


          Here's the usual suspects.
          Paulus
          Joran
          Deepak
          Satish
          ??????


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Dayhiker on May 09, 2007, 11:01:53 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Art said the ALE actively tried to cover up what happened in Aruba.


          Art is right on, when are they going to requestion JPK2???


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Dayhiker on May 09, 2007, 11:02:22 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Art says 5 people know what happened.


          Here's the usual suspects.
          Paulus
          Joran
          Deepak
          Satish
          ??????


          Guido.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Red on May 09, 2007, 11:02:24 PM
          I will say  it again to those in Aruba ...

          What is good for Joran Van der Sloot is terrible for Aruba.

          If Joran & the Kalpoes skate ... Aruban tourism will suffer.

          It may not be fair but it is the fact. The cold hard fact.

          As said in the Maltese Falcon ... Some one must take the fall.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Lifesong on May 09, 2007, 11:02:24 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Art says 5 people know what happened.


          Here's the usual suspects.
          Paulus
          Joran
          Deepak
          Satish
          ??????



          FREDDY!!!!

           :twisted:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 11:03:08 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Art says 5 people know what happened.


          Here's the usual suspects.
          Paulus
          Joran
          Deepak
          Satish
          ??????

          Guido, Freddy, Anita...take your pick


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 11:03:27 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Art says 5 people know what happened.


          Here's the usual suspects.
          Paulus
          Joran
          Deepak
          Satish
          ??????


          Freddy
          Steve Croes


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 11:03:37 PM
          Any interview that Jacobs was involved in he either purposely misleads the witnesses or doesn't follow up.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 11:04:00 PM
          I'd put my money on the Mommyboy bedwetter crybaby to spill the beans. They NEED to get that guy alone and hammer him. He'll break quicker than shite, IMO


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Dayhiker on May 09, 2007, 11:04:08 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Art said he hopes that the Dutch are intent on the leads that need to be followed.

          The suspect interviews and interviews of witnesses are incomplete.

          Art said he believes there are a least 5 people who know what happened to Natalle.  And if they talk it will all lead to this rich prince Joran.



          He's ripping Dennis Jacobs a new a-hole.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 11:05:40 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Art says 5 people know what happened.


          Here's the usual suspects.
          Paulus
          Joran
          Deepak
          Satish
          ??????

          Freddy.

          Paulus hired a lawyer for him the first week.

          Let's not forget Art said at least 5.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: igsigs on May 09, 2007, 11:06:16 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Art Wood believes there are at least 5 people that know what happened to Natalee.  If one of them talks it will lead right back to Joran.

          Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus, Freddy/Guido.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 11:06:23 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Art says 5 people know what happened.


          Here's the usual suspects.
          Paulus
          Joran
          Deepak
          Satish
          ??????

          Freddy.

          Paulus hired a lawyer for him the first week.

          Let's not forget Art said at least 5.


          OK

          GVC
          Lorenzo


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 11:07:07 PM
          Arts thoughts.. long overdue.. comes doen to the fact of a half hazzard invsetigation done by Aruba.
           He hopes the ductch are follwing up the loose ends.
          Art says with all his heart he hopes they are folliwning the leads.. and to interviews people and look at evidence. he has examined all the documents that he and Dave obtaines.. says documents are incomplete.. and witenss sheets are terrible.  That tyoe fo thing is not good police work. Hopes the Dutch follow up on leads.  Their is STILL oppurointy this cae can be solved. believes there are 5 kows what happend.. and it will lead back to JVDS.
            Major media.. USA today.. tabloids  Etxc. hungry to bring the case back to the forefront. good sign.
            Art says  have to lean on the media.. maybe the US govt has to be force on Holland. and hopes thats the case.. maybe they are?
            Dana askes if he sees a diff from before until today. is it a dog and pony show. Art says that is specualtion.. he feels there are some good investiagations..  ATalkig of Dennis Jacobs.. and interviw he was invoilbved on and misleads the witness.... not a full interview. he has taken the oppurinity as pointing the finger at certain folks in the ALE.
           He feels there are  GOOD people in that dept.. he and Dave went to PM in Aruba.. Attornet Gen to get Jacobs off the case.. Art says he has more poer then they did.  Sutch very secretive.. Art speaks to Jossy about oine a week.. feels there will be more searches. Art would love to reach out to Dutch .. name and adress.. he and Dave would like ti have to send info to them to interview someone in Holand so they can be talked to.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 11:07:44 PM
          Sorry for the typos  :oops:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 11:09:14 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Arts thoughts.. long overdue.. comes doen to the fact of a half hazzard invsetigation done by Aruba.
           He hopes the ductch are follwing up the loose ends.
          Art says with all his heart he hopes they are folliwning the leads.. and to interviews people and look at evidence. he has examined all the documents that he and Dave obtaines.. says documents are incomplete.. and witenss sheets are terrible.  That tyoe fo thing is not good police work. Hopes the Dutch follow up on leads.  Their is STILL oppurointy this cae can be solved. believes there are 5 kows what happend.. and it will lead back to JVDS.
            Major media.. USA today.. tabloids  Etxc. hungry to bring the case back to the forefront. good sign.
            Art says  have to lean on the media.. maybe the US govt has to be force on Holland. and hopes thats the case.. maybe they are?
            Dana askes if he sees a diff from before until today. is it a dog and pony show. Art says that is specualtion.. he feels there are some good investiagations..  ATalkig of Dennis Jacobs.. and interviw he was invoilbved on and misleads the witness.... not a full interview. he has taken the oppurinity as pointing the finger at certain folks in the ALE.
           He feels there are  GOOD people in that dept.. he and Dave went to PM in Aruba.. Attornet Gen to get Jacobs off the case.. Art says he has more poer then they did.  Sutch very secretive.. Art speaks to Jossy about oine a week.. feels there will be more searches. Art would love to reach out to Dutch .. name and adress.. he and Dave would like ti have to send info to them to interview someone in Holand so they can be talked to.

          Thanks Angie.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 11:09:45 PM
          Terrific Show Dana.

          Thanks To Art and Clint. They were awesome. :D


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kermit on May 09, 2007, 11:09:57 PM
          Thank you Angie.

          I can't get Dana's show link to work either.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Artcolley on May 09, 2007, 11:10:03 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Sorry for the typos  :oops:


          I was able to make out everything you wrote! :lol:
          THank you for typing all that!!!!!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 11:10:15 PM
          Thanks Angie ... you are a Godsend.

          Janet


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Lifesong on May 09, 2007, 11:10:15 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Arts thoughts.. long overdue.. comes doen to the fact of a half hazzard invsetigation done by Aruba.
           He hopes the ductch are follwing up the loose ends.
          Art says with all his heart he hopes they are folliwning the leads.. and to interviews people and look at evidence. he has examined all the documents that he and Dave obtaines.. says documents are incomplete.. and witenss sheets are terrible.  That tyoe fo thing is not good police work. Hopes the Dutch follow up on leads.  Their is STILL oppurointy this cae can be solved. believes there are 5 kows what happend.. and it will lead back to JVDS.
            Major media.. USA today.. tabloids  Etxc. hungry to bring the case back to the forefront. good sign.
            Art says  have to lean on the media.. maybe the US govt has to be force on Holland. and hopes thats the case.. maybe they are?
            Dana askes if he sees a diff from before until today. is it a dog and pony show. Art says that is specualtion.. he feels there are some good investiagations..  ATalkig of Dennis Jacobs.. and interviw he was invoilbved on and misleads the witness.... not a full interview. he has taken the oppurinity as pointing the finger at certain folks in the ALE.
           He feels there are  GOOD people in that dept.. he and Dave went to PM in Aruba.. Attornet Gen to get Jacobs off the case.. Art says he has more poer then they did.  Sutch very secretive.. Art speaks to Jossy about oine a week.. feels there will be more searches. Art would love to reach out to Dutch .. name and adress.. he and Dave would like ti have to send info to them to interview someone in Holand so they can be talked to.


          Nice job, Angie!  Wonder who it is in Holland that Dave & Art would like them to talk to...??


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: yapperz1 on May 09, 2007, 11:11:19 PM
          IMO if you want to find out the Dirty Hand on Aruba..find out who assigned Dennis Jacobs to be the lead investigator on this case.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Dayhiker on May 09, 2007, 11:11:19 PM
          Great show, Dana! Thanks for the re-cap Angie!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Buckeye on May 09, 2007, 11:11:21 PM
          Maybe Art and Dave can email KLPD and get a name to contact.

          E-mail: voorlichting@klpd.politie.nl


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 11:11:24 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Sorry for the typos  :oops:


           :shock:  Damn that was bad typing.. trying to do it fast in the dark yet to boot.. LOL  :oops:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kermit on May 09, 2007, 11:11:48 PM
          Joran
          Guido


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 11:12:03 PM
          I have a Gateway laptop. Any of You guys looking for a new computer or notebook should get one of these. I have not had one conflict issue since I got it. That's a first.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 11:12:11 PM
          Quote from: "yapperz1"
          IMO if you want to find out the Dirty Hand on Aruba..find out who assigned Dennis Jacobs to be the lead investigator on this case.

          Wasn't it Van der Straten.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 09, 2007, 11:12:21 PM
          thank you angie 8)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 11:12:35 PM
          GREAT SHOW DANA!

          ANGIE
          - THANKS FOR TRANSCRIBING!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Dayhiker on May 09, 2007, 11:12:42 PM
          Quote from: "yapperz1"
          IMO if you want to find out the Dirty Hand on Aruba..find out who assigned Dennis Jacobs to be the lead investigator on this case.



          Right Yapz, and he's still the lead investigator for this pathetic cabal of crooks.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: yapperz1 on May 09, 2007, 11:13:49 PM
          Great show Dana!!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 11:13:53 PM
          Quote from: "yapperz1"
          IMO if you want to find out the Dirty Hand on Aruba..find out who assigned Dennis Jacobs to be the lead investigator on this case.


          Comemencia


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 11:13:54 PM
          Quote from: "Dayhiker"
          Quote from: "yapperz1"
          IMO if you want to find out the Dirty Hand on Aruba..find out who assigned Dennis Jacobs to be the lead investigator on this case.



          Right Yapz, and he's still the lead investigator for this pathetic cabal of crooks.


          And they can't get him off the case.  Why.  Who has the power to removed him?  Rudy Croes.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: igsigs on May 09, 2007, 11:15:01 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "yapperz1"
          IMO if you want to find out the Dirty Hand on Aruba..find out who assigned Dennis Jacobs to be the lead investigator on this case.

          Wasn't it Van der Straten.

          That's what i thought. Don't remember where i heard/read it.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 11:15:51 PM
          Quote from: "igsigs"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "yapperz1"
          IMO if you want to find out the Dirty Hand on Aruba..find out who assigned Dennis Jacobs to be the lead investigator on this case.

          Wasn't it Van der Straten.

          That's what i thought. Don't remember where i heard/read it.

          I remember reading he was hand picked by Straten.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kermit on May 09, 2007, 11:16:18 PM
          Paulus Van Der Sloot was in the Prosecutors office/ substitute judge, Van Der Straaten is Police Superintendent/Police Commissioner working under Paulus.
          Eric Mansure’s sister-in-law is Jan van der Straaten’s secretary. (p.153 Holloway).


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 11:16:23 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Dayhiker"
          Quote from: "yapperz1"
          IMO if you want to find out the Dirty Hand on Aruba..find out who assigned Dennis Jacobs to be the lead investigator on this case.



          Right Yapz, and he's still the lead investigator for this pathetic cabal of crooks.


          And they can't get him off the case.  Why.  Who has the power to removed him?  Rudy Croes.


          No one is going to remove him San. He is there to do the dastardly deeds of those above him.

          They squeeze that fat ass like a lemon.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kermit on May 09, 2007, 11:16:58 PM
          Dennis Jacobs was hand picked by Paul van der sloot’s best friend, Jan van der stratten even though he had never worked a murder or missing persons case.
          http://tinyurl.com/s99ck


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 11:18:31 PM
          YW Everyone. I copied my post in my email anfdtryed to fix the boo boos.. :oops:



          Angiex911dsptchr wrote:
          Arts thoughts.. long overdue.. comes down to the fact of a half hazzard invsestigation done by Aruba.
          He hopes the ductch are following up the loose ends.
          Art says with all his heart he hopes they are fowllowing the leads.. and to interview people and look at evidence. he has examined all the documents that he and Dave obtained.. says documents are incomplete.. and witnes sheets are terrible. That type of thing is not good police work. Hopes the Dutch follow up on leads. Their is STILL opportunity this case can be solved. believes there are 5 knows what happend.. and it will lead back to JVDS.
          Major media.. USA today.. tabloids Etc. hungry to bring the case back to the forefront. good sign.
          Art says have to lean on the media.. maybe the US govt has put force on Holland. and hopes thats the case.. maybe they are?
          Dana asks if he sees a diff from before until today. is it a dog and pony show. Art says that is specualation. he feels there are some good investigators. Talking of Dennis Jacobs.. and interviews he was involved i and how he misleads the witness.... not a full interview. he has taken the opportunity as pointing the finger at certain folks in the ALE.
          He feels there are GOOD people in that dept.. he and Dave went to PM in Aruba.. Attorney Gen to get Jacobs off the case.. Art says he has more power then they did. Dutch very secretive.. Art speaks to Jossy about once a week.. feels there will be more searches. Art would love to reach out to Dutch .. name and address.. he and Dave would like it have to send info to them to interview someone in Holland so they can be talked to.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 11:19:43 PM
          Angie created a new word, LOLOL

          anfdtryed


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 11:21:07 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          YW Everyone. I copied my post in my email anfdtryed to fix the boo boos.. :oops:


           :lol:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Lifesong on May 09, 2007, 11:21:19 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Angie created a new word, LOLOL

          anfdtryed



          As in... I hope the Sloots are arrested anfdtryed?   :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 11:22:00 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          GREAT SHOW DANA!

          ANGIE
          - THANKS FOR TRANSCRIBING!


            YW Klaas..  :oops:  I tryed to fix my boo boos.. and its still a mess.. ROFL
           Go figure..


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 11:22:00 PM
          Quote from: "Kermit"
          Dennis Jacobs was hand picked by Paul van der sloot’s best friend, Jan van der stratten even though he had never worked a murder or missing persons case.
          http://tinyurl.com/s99ck


          Chain of Command

          Comemencia
          Bernadina - Retired Position taken by Kronzjik, who has a lower rank.
          Traskel
          Van Der Straaten - gone to Bon Aire.
          Dompig - gone fishin!
          Richardson - new chief of Polis

          First Class Officers here.

          Comemencia pulls all the strings in the Police Dept. Rudy Croes controls the whole cabal from the Justice Dept.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: igsigs on May 09, 2007, 11:22:05 PM
          :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 11:23:04 PM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Dayhiker"
          Quote from: "yapperz1"
          IMO if you want to find out the Dirty Hand on Aruba..find out who assigned Dennis Jacobs to be the lead investigator on this case.



          Right Yapz, and he's still the lead investigator for this pathetic cabal of crooks.


          And they can't get him off the case.  Why.  Who has the power to removed him?  Rudy Croes.


          Dave, Robin, Beth and Jug tried once before to get Dennis Jacobs off the investigation ... it did not work.

          Janet


          Date: November1,2005
          To: Theresa Croes Fernandez-Pedra
          Attorney General Of Aruba
          Havenstrat 2
          Orangestad,Aruba

          From Arthur F. Wood
          Dave and Robin Holloway
          Beth and Jug Twitty

          Dear Attorney General

          <snipped>

          Conclusion:

          Dave Holloway, Beth Twitty, and their families and representatives are mindful of the request to refrain from criticizing the Aruban Investigative and Prosecutorial team. However in light of the above incidents, it has become increasingly difficult to hold our tongues. Our only goal is to find Natalee Holloway. It is our contention that it is in the best interest of everyone concerned to instigate a fresh start in this case. We respectfully request that Dennis Jacobs, Karin Jansen and Gerald Dompig be removed from this case.

          Sincerley,
          Arthur E. Wood

          Signed and in agreement
          Dave Holloway
          Robin Holloway
          Beth Twitty
          Jug Twitty


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 09, 2007, 11:25:38 PM
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "Dayhiker"
          Quote from: "yapperz1"
          IMO if you want to find out the Dirty Hand on Aruba..find out who assigned Dennis Jacobs to be the lead investigator on this case.



          Right Yapz, and he's still the lead investigator for this pathetic cabal of crooks.


          And they can't get him off the case.  Why.  Who has the power to removed him?  Rudy Croes.


          Dave, Robin, Beth and Jug tried once before to get Dennis Jacobs off the investigation ... it did not work.

          Janet

          Date: November1,2005
          To: Theresa Croes Fernandez-Pedra
          Attorney General Of Aruba
          Havenstrat 2
          Orangestad,Aruba

          From Arthur F. Wood
          Dave and Robin Holloway
          Beth and Jug Twitty

          Dear Attorney General

          <snipped>

          Conclusion:

          Dave Holloway, Beth Twitty, and their families and representatives are mindful of the request to refrain from criticizing the Aruban Investigative and Prosecutorial team. However in light of the above incidents, it has become increasingly difficult to hold our tongues. Our only goal is to find Natalee Holloway. It is our contention that it is in the best interest of everyone concerned to instigate a fresh start in this case. We respectfully request that Dennis Jacobs, Karin Jansen and Gerald Dompig be removed from this case.

          Sincerley,
          Arthur E. Wood

          Signed and in agreement
          Dave Holloway
          Robin Holloway
          Beth Twitty
          Jug Twitty

          Thanks Tamikosmom.  I could never figure out why Jossy thought so highly of KJ and she was part of the problem.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Dana on May 09, 2007, 11:26:14 PM
          Quote from: "Dayhiker"
          Great show, Dana! Thanks for the re-cap Angie!


          Thank You
          Like I mentioned the podcast wont be available until the AM, Tom is under the weather a little tonight.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 11:26:21 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Quote from: "Kermit"
          Dennis Jacobs was hand picked by Paul van der sloot’s best friend, Jan van der stratten even though he had never worked a murder or missing persons case.
          http://tinyurl.com/s99ck


          Chain of Command

          Comemencia
          Bernadina - Retired Position taken by Kronzjik, who has a lower rank.
          Traskel
          Van Der Straaten - gone to Bon Aire.
          Dompig - gone fishin!
          Richardson - new chief of Polis

          First Class Officers here.

          Comemencia pulls all the strings in the Police Dept. Rudy Croes controls the whole cabal from the Justice Dept.


          I left out Witte.
          Speaking of him.. where the heck has he been? Talk about flying under the radar!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 11:26:31 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Angie created a new word, LOLOL

          anfdtryed



           :shock:  Can you all believe when I worked at 911 I typed perfectly?
           Dunno what happened since.. LOL


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2007, 11:27:06 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          GREAT SHOW DANA!

          ANGIE
          - THANKS FOR TRANSCRIBING!


            YW Klaas..  :oops:  I tryed to fix my boo boos.. and its still a mess.. ROFL
           Go figure..


          Angie ... you fret too much.  You did just great!  I can now happily climb aboard my ducky and ... fly off too la la land.

          Good Night Angie ... Good Night All.

          Thanks to all who tried to assist this computer illiterate in hooking up with Dana.

          Janet


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: igsigs on May 09, 2007, 11:27:17 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"

          Chain of Command

          Comemencia
          Bernadina - Retired Position taken by Kronzjik, who has a lower rank.
          Traskel
          Van Der Straaten - gone to Bon Aire.
          Dompig - gone fishin!
          Richardson - new chief of Polis

          First Class Officers here.

          Comemencia pulls all the strings in the Police Dept. Rudy Croes controls the whole cabal from the Justice Dept.

          Was it Oduber who tried to replace VDStraten with Dompig in the first week? And the judges denied the action?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 11:27:50 PM
          Quote from: "Dana"
          Quote from: "Dayhiker"
          Great show, Dana! Thanks for the re-cap Angie!


          Thank You
          Like I mentioned the podcast wont be available until the AM, Tom is under the weather a little tonight.


            Hope Tom feels better.. and you too Dana. I been sick for a month  :cry:
           Awesome show. great guests!!  :)  THANK YOU!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kermit on May 09, 2007, 11:28:19 PM
          RONNIE BERNADINA – SUPERINTENDENT CHIEF OF POLIS – ARUBA
          DOMPIG IS Deputy polis chief under Jan van der Straaten
          Police commander: Trudy Hassell
          Aruban Police spokesman: Edwin Comenencia
          Night watch commander: Lieutenant Rudy Soemers



          ohny Melvis ERASMUS officer first class and Clyde Anthony BURKE, sergeant first class -  DEEPAK 6/09/2005 STATEMENT

          Juan Enrique BOEZEN and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, respectively head officer first class and sergeant with the Korps Politie Aruba and both attached to the detective squad District 2, - SATISH 6/09/2005 STATEMENT


          Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Clyde Anthony BURKE - DEEPAK 06/10/2005 STATEMENT

          Juan Enrique Boezen and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, respectively head officer first class and sergeant with the Korps Politie Aruba and both attached to the detective squad District 2 - SATISH 06/10/2005 STATEMENT

          Dennis Dominico Jacobs and Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes, head-officer and officer first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned is attached to the Robbery Project Team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section Often Occurring Crimes District 2, declare following. - JORAN 06/10/2005 STATEMENT

          Jan van der Straaten - JORAN - JUNE 13TH 2005

          Clyde Anthony BURKE and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY - DEEPAK 6/11/2005 STATEMENT

          Roland Ramiro TROMP and Shaniro Baldrick KELLY, respectively inspector and officer first class with the Korps Politie Aruba and both assigned to the Section Often Occurring Crimes district 2, - DEEPAK 6/11/2005 ADDENDUM

          Clyde Anthony BURKE and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, - DEEPAK 06/13/2005 STATEMENT

          Shaniro Baldrik KELLY and Clyde Anthony BURKE, respectively sergeant and sergeant first class with the Korps Politie Aruba and both detached to the Detective district 2, d - DEEPAK - 6/16/2005 STATEMENT

          Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Juan Enrique BOEZEM, respectively officer first class and head officer, with the Korps Politie Aruba and attached to the Section Often Occurring Crimes District II, - SATISH - 6/11/2005 STATEMENT

          Juan Enrique BOEZEM and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, - SATISH 06/10/2005 2nd STATEMENT ON THAT DATE

          Clyde Anthony BURKE and Marton Rolando GUMBS, respectively sergeant first class and head police-officer with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned is part of detective unit district 2 and the latter with the Detective Cooperation Team, - DEEPAK 6/29/2005 STATEMENT

          Clyde Anthony BURKE and Marton Rolando GUMBS, - DEEPAK 6/30/2005 STATEMENT

          Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES and Dennis Dominico JACOBS, respectively officer first class and head officer, with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned officer is attacked to the Section Often Occurring Crimes district II and the latter with the Robbery Project team (Atraco team), - JAIME CARRASQUILIA 06/17/2005 STATEMENT

          On Sunday 3 July 2005, I, Jan van der Straten, Commission of Police Force performed at the korps police force Aruba with the technical appliances measuring on cell-id’s on the towers of Setar in the area between Racquet Club on Aruba and the Wyndham. - CELL PHONE RECORDS - JORAN 5/30TH

          Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head police officer and police officer first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned officer is attached to the Robbery Protection Team (Atraco Team) and last mentioned officer is attached to the Section Often Occuring Crimes District 2 - JORAN 6/09/2005 Interrigation Statements

          Ghrizanti Anuar TROMP and Marcelino Antonio Gregory RAS respectively officer and officer first class with the Korps Politie Aruba and both attached to the Robbery Project Team (Atraco Team) - JORAN 06/24/2005 STATEMENT

          Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY - JORAN/STEVE CROES - FACE TO FACE MEETING STATEMENT 06/18/05

          Roland Ramiro TROMP and Clyde Anthony BURKE - PAULUS VDS - 06/18/2005 Witness Statement

          Dennis Dominico Jacobs, Juan Enrique Boezem and Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes, respectively head agents and agent first class at the Korps police force Aruba, former classified at the assaulted project team and others at the Recherde district 2 - JORAN/SATISH FACE TO FACE MEETING 06/16/2005

          Julio Cesar SAMBO, under-inspector first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, also operational commander and assigned to District II, declares the following. - DOCUMENT SEARCH OF VDS HOUSE/APARTMENT 06/13/2005

          Clyde Anthony BURKE and Haydee Azucena NADAL, respectively police sergeants first class at the Korps Police Aruba, former in service at the many appearance criminality District II and last named at the Recherde Coorperationteam Aruba - PVDS 06/25/2005 STATEMENT

          Giovanni Chevalier HEYLIGER, agent first class at the Korps Police force Aruba and the Flex-Team - JOHN J. WARDLAW (teacher) 06/30/2005 Statement

          Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Eric Louis SOEMERS - OSMAN (Automotive Enterprises) 08/06/2005 Statement

          Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Eric Louis SOEMERS - MARGARITHA WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF (MAID) 08/11/05 Statement


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 11:28:46 PM
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          GREAT SHOW DANA!

          ANGIE
          - THANKS FOR TRANSCRIBING!


            YW Klaas..  :oops:  I tryed to fix my boo boos.. and its still a mess.. ROFL
           Go figure..


          Angie ... you fret too much.  You did just great!  I can now happily climb aboard my ducky and ... fly off too la la land.

          Good Night Angie ... Good Night All.

          Thanks to all who tried to assist this computer illiterate in hooking up with Dana.

          Janet


            Good night Janet.. sweet dreams to you!!  :P


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Dana on May 09, 2007, 11:29:00 PM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "Dana"
          Quote from: "Dayhiker"
          Great show, Dana! Thanks for the re-cap Angie!


          Thank You
          Like I mentioned the podcast wont be available until the AM, Tom is under the weather a little tonight.


            Hope Tom feels better.. and you too Dana. I been sick for a month  :cry:
           Awesome show. great guests!!  :)  THANK YOU!


          Thanks , like Red mentioned we are planning a dilly for the next one.
           :D


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Red on May 09, 2007, 11:29:02 PM
          Quote from: "Dana"
          Quote from: "Dayhiker"
          Great show, Dana! Thanks for the re-cap Angie!


          Thank You
          Like I mentioned the podcast wont be available until the AM, Tom is under the weather a little tonight.


          Nice show Dana ...

          Stay tuned in near future for details on next weeks show. Doing some last minute gets for interviews, will be a special show. Dont miss.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2007, 11:29:29 PM
          Nite Janet


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: crazybabyborg on May 09, 2007, 11:31:30 PM
          Ohhhhhhhhh! I'm just getting here and see that I missed Dana's show!  :cry: Who were his guests?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 11:32:25 PM
          Quote from: "igsigs"
          Quote from: "Rob"

          Chain of Command

          Comemencia
          Bernadina - Retired Position taken by Kronzjik, who has a lower rank.
          Traskel
          Van Der Straaten - gone to Bon Aire.
          Dompig - gone fishin!
          Richardson - new chief of Polis

          First Class Officers here.

          Comemencia pulls all the strings in the Police Dept. Rudy Croes controls the whole cabal from the Justice Dept.

          Was it Oduber who tried to replace VDStraten with Dompig in the first week? And the judges denied the action?


          He tried to get VDS off the case....you're right. He did try to get Dompig in...wonder what caused him to buckle at Van Der Straaten?

          Prolly wiretaps between Van Der Straaten and Paulus.

          There is a statement somewhere that says Paulus has some suspicious calls with Van Der Stratten in the beginning of the case.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 11:35:48 PM
          Quote from: "Dana"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "Dana"
          Quote from: "Dayhiker"
          Great show, Dana! Thanks for the re-cap Angie!


          Thank You
          Like I mentioned the podcast wont be available until the AM, Tom is under the weather a little tonight.


            Hope Tom feels better.. and you too Dana. I been sick for a month  :cry:
           Awesome show. great guests!!  :)  THANK YOU!


          Thanks , like Red mentioned we are planning a dilly for the next one.
           :D


           Sounds VERY intersting  :)  :)  Looking forward to it!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tibrogargan on May 09, 2007, 11:38:11 PM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Angie created a new word, LOLOL

          anfdtryed


          Note to self :::::   Do NOT eat at the same time as reading SM  :shock:  :shock:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: igsigs on May 09, 2007, 11:40:05 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          There is a statement somewhere that says Paulus has some suspicious calls with Van Der Stratten in the beginning of the case.

          Yeah, Rudy said that. On the radio...IIRC.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tibrogargan on May 09, 2007, 11:42:00 PM
          Dana and Red Great show and looking forward to the next one.

          Angie no need to issue a revision - we all understood the original one.  Thank you for transcribing as I always like to read again what I have heard as it is amazing what you do miss first time around.

          Klaas save that for Angie when she decides to change her screen name  :lol:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 11:46:19 PM
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
          Dana and Red Great show and looking forward to the next one.

          Angie no need to issue a revision - we all understood the original one.  Thank you for transcribing as I always like to read again what I have heard as it is amazing what you do miss first time around.

          Klaas save that for Angie when she decides to change her screen name  :lol:  :lol:


            LOL Tibro.. Id never change my name.. been the same for 2 years  lol
          Ummm.. lets blame my typos on lack of oxygen from near death from choking.  :wink:
           I am always in a rush when I type. lol  I need to slow down~!!  :)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: LilPuma on May 09, 2007, 11:48:45 PM
          Quote from: "Dana"
          Quote from: "Dayhiker"
          Great show, Dana! Thanks for the re-cap Angie!


          Thank You
          Like I mentioned the podcast wont be available until the AM, Tom is under the weather a little tonight.


          Missed the show.  No podcast til tomorrow.  Angie is typing in hieroglyphics.   :smt101 Gotta go find the hieroglyphics.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Lifesong on May 09, 2007, 11:51:10 PM
          From the security guard's statement (Slovert Reneska) on 7/08/05:

          Quote
          On your question if I was approached on Monday, May 30, 2005, in the night time hours, by a couple who were also staying in the Holiday Inn Hotel, with a story about two men and a drunk girl were on the sand north of the hotel stumbling or falling, answer I you no. Nobody approached me with this story.


          Perhaps this is who the Andres Menses fellow is and his friend Maria Bernadetta Kelly, as identified in the Dr. Phil case papers.  She gave 2 witness statements and he gave 6 or 7, right?  Could they be the couple mentioned above?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 11:54:47 PM
          Quote from: "LilPuma"
          Quote from: "Dana"
          Quote from: "Dayhiker"
          Great show, Dana! Thanks for the re-cap Angie!


          Thank You
          Like I mentioned the podcast wont be available until the AM, Tom is under the weather a little tonight.


          Missed the show.  No podcast til tomorrow.  Angie is typing in hieroglyphics.   :smt101 Gotta go find the hieroglyphics.


            LOL
           Listen to the podcast Puma when its available.. LOL  
           I am gonna make a promise to myself tonight.. to take my time when I type..   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tibrogargan on May 09, 2007, 11:57:26 PM
          Time to hand over the computer again........

          BBL to check out the scene.
          Nite Nite to all Monkeys heading for bed.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Rob on May 09, 2007, 11:57:42 PM
          Good Nite Everyone.

          Great Show Dana!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 09, 2007, 11:59:16 PM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Good Nite Everyone.

          Great Show Dana!


           Goodnight Robert and Tibro


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2007, 12:00:40 AM
          Quote from: "Lifesong"
          From the security guard's statement (Slovert Reneska) on 7/08/05:

          Quote
          On your question if I was approached on Monday, May 30, 2005, in the night time hours, by a couple who were also staying in the Holiday Inn Hotel, with a story about two men and a drunk girl were on the sand north of the hotel stumbling or falling, answer I you no. Nobody approached me with this story.


          Perhaps this is who the Andres Menses fellow is and his friend Maria Bernadetta Kelly, as identified in the Dr. Phil case papers.  She gave 2 witness statements and he gave 6 or 7, right?  Could they be the couple mentioned above?

          Hmmm, could be.  Sure with Jossy or someone could find out for sure.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2007, 12:01:25 AM
          Nite Rob

          Later Tibro


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: casa on May 10, 2007, 12:01:38 AM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
          Dana and Red Great show and looking forward to the next one.

          Angie no need to issue a revision - we all understood the original one.  Thank you for transcribing as I always like to read again what I have heard as it is amazing what you do miss first time around.

          Klaas save that for Angie when she decides to change her screen name  :lol:  :lol:


            LOL Tibro.. Id never change my name.. been the same for 2 years  lol
          Ummm.. lets blame my typos on lack of oxygen from near death from choking.  :wink:
           I am always in a rush when I type. lol  I need to slow down~!!  :)


          My brain always seems to work faster than my fingers! haha :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 10, 2007, 12:03:51 AM
          Quote from: "casa"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
          Dana and Red Great show and looking forward to the next one.

          Angie no need to issue a revision - we all understood the original one.  Thank you for transcribing as I always like to read again what I have heard as it is amazing what you do miss first time around.

          Klaas save that for Angie when she decides to change her screen name  :lol:  :lol:


            LOL Tibro.. Id never change my name.. been the same for 2 years  lol
          Ummm.. lets blame my typos on lack of oxygen from near death from choking.  :wink:
           I am always in a rush when I type. lol  I need to slow down~!!  :)


          My brain always seems to work faster than my fingers! haha :lol:



           :lol:  Hi Casa sweety.. said howdy earlier.. you must have missed it. :wink: Have you spoken to CUZ lately??


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Lifesong on May 10, 2007, 12:04:22 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Lifesong"
          From the security guard's statement (Slovert Reneska) on 7/08/05:

          Quote
          On your question if I was approached on Monday, May 30, 2005, in the night time hours, by a couple who were also staying in the Holiday Inn Hotel, with a story about two men and a drunk girl were on the sand north of the hotel stumbling or falling, answer I you no. Nobody approached me with this story.


          Perhaps this is who the Andres Menses fellow is and his friend Maria Bernadetta Kelly, as identified in the Dr. Phil case papers.  She gave 2 witness statements and he gave 6 or 7, right?  Could they be the couple mentioned above?

          Hmmm, could be.  Sure with Jossy or someone could find out for sure.


          Probably a non-starter - I don't believe for a minute that Natalee was walking around on the beach on Monday night,  drunk, drugged or otherwise, but I'm sure curious to know who that Menses guy is since Kermit pointed him out.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 10, 2007, 12:06:38 AM
          Quote from: "Lifesong"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Lifesong"
          From the security guard's statement (Slovert Reneska) on 7/08/05:

          Quote
          On your question if I was approached on Monday, May 30, 2005, in the night time hours, by a couple who were also staying in the Holiday Inn Hotel, with a story about two men and a drunk girl were on the sand north of the hotel stumbling or falling, answer I you no. Nobody approached me with this story.


          Perhaps this is who the Andres Menses fellow is and his friend Maria Bernadetta Kelly, as identified in the Dr. Phil case papers.  She gave 2 witness statements and he gave 6 or 7, right?  Could they be the couple mentioned above?

          Hmmm, could be.  Sure with Jossy or someone could find out for sure.


          Probably a non-starter - I don't believe for a minute that Natalee was walking around on the beach on Monday night,  drunk, drugged or otherwise, but I'm sure curious to know who that Menses guy is since Kermit pointed him out.

            I agree.. esp since this individual has been talked to 7 times.  :shock:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2007, 12:08:37 AM
          Jossy has his guys trying to find out.  I suspect that is our best hope at finding out. about Meneses.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: casa on May 10, 2007, 12:09:29 AM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "casa"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
          Dana and Red Great show and looking forward to the next one.

          Angie no need to issue a revision - we all understood the original one.  Thank you for transcribing as I always like to read again what I have heard as it is amazing what you do miss first time around.

          Klaas save that for Angie when she decides to change her screen name  :lol:  :lol:


            LOL Tibro.. Id never change my name.. been the same for 2 years  lol
          Ummm.. lets blame my typos on lack of oxygen from near death from choking.  :wink:
           I am always in a rush when I type. lol  I need to slow down~!!  :)


          My brain always seems to work faster than my fingers! haha :lol:



           :lol:  Hi Casa sweety.. said howdy earlier.. you must have missed it. :wink: Have you spoken to CUZ lately??


          Hi, Angie!  I'm sorry I didn't speak earlier.  I guess I just missed you!  I haven't talked to her this week.  This time of year is wild for me with the end of school coming up, all the paperwork and Parent/teacher conferences for my special education students!  I'm trying to dig my way out!!!!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 10, 2007, 12:11:39 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Jossy has his guys trying to find out.  I suspect that is our best hope at finding out. about Meneses.


           Keeping fingers and toes crossed..


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 10, 2007, 12:14:20 AM
          Quote from: "casa"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "casa"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
          Dana and Red Great show and looking forward to the next one.

          Angie no need to issue a revision - we all understood the original one.  Thank you for transcribing as I always like to read again what I have heard as it is amazing what you do miss first time around.

          Klaas save that for Angie when she decides to change her screen name  :lol:  :lol:


            LOL Tibro.. Id never change my name.. been the same for 2 years  lol
          Ummm.. lets blame my typos on lack of oxygen from near death from choking.  :wink:
           I am always in a rush when I type. lol  I need to slow down~!!  :)


          My brain always seems to work faster than my fingers! haha :lol:



           :lol:  Hi Casa sweety.. said howdy earlier.. you must have missed it. :wink: Have you spoken to CUZ lately??


          Hi, Angie!  I'm sorry I didn't speak earlier.  I guess I just missed you!  I haven't talked to her this week.  This time of year is wild for me with the end of school coming up, all the paperwork and Parent/teacher conferences for my special education students!  I'm trying to dig my way out!!!!!


           Best of luck to you.. and what an admirable teacher you are to be with the special education students!  I bet they love yah!  :) :)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: casa on May 10, 2007, 12:28:02 AM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "casa"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "casa"
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
          Dana and Red Great show and looking forward to the next one.

          Angie no need to issue a revision - we all understood the original one.  Thank you for transcribing as I always like to read again what I have heard as it is amazing what you do miss first time around.

          Klaas save that for Angie when she decides to change her screen name  :lol:  :lol:


            LOL Tibro.. Id never change my name.. been the same for 2 years  lol
          Ummm.. lets blame my typos on lack of oxygen from near death from choking.  :wink:
           I am always in a rush when I type. lol  I need to slow down~!!  :)


          My brain always seems to work faster than my fingers! haha :lol:



           :lol:  Hi Casa sweety.. said howdy earlier.. you must have missed it. :wink: Have you spoken to CUZ lately??


          Hi, Angie!  I'm sorry I didn't speak earlier.  I guess I just missed you!  I haven't talked to her this week.  This time of year is wild for me with the end of school coming up, all the paperwork and Parent/teacher conferences for my special education students!  I'm trying to dig my way out!!!!!


           Best of luck to you.. and what an admirable teacher you are to be with the special education students!  I bet they love yah!  :) :)


          Thanks, Angie!!! Some days they love me and some days they don't! haha  I really enjoy helping them.  I had a wonderful experience last year I would like to tell yall if you dont me being off topic for a minute.  I had a student with a learning disability who graduated a few years ago.  He was very quiet in class and didn't have much self confidence.  I worked with him to help him as much as I could and give him some confidence.  He graduated but I didn't know what had happend to him.  Last year he came to the school one day to see me.  He told me that he was now working with a big time youth pastor from Texas who travels around all over the country presenting programs to teenagers.  He was beginning to speak some  himself.  He said that as a student with a learning problem he never thought he could do anything like this.  He wanted to thank me for my help and for helping him to see that he could do something with his life!  He said i had encouraged him. I cried like a baby!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: tidycat on May 10, 2007, 12:30:22 AM
          I just got here, and I want to give Angie a big smooch and say thank you, thank you for that transcription!!  It was great!  I don't care about typos, either.  You got it down and that's what counts.  I don't know how to listen to Dana's show anymore since I don't have Winamp or whatever or how to get it.  So thanks again, Angie!  And thanks to Dana and Red for having the programs and great guests.

          tidycat


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 10, 2007, 12:30:34 AM
          Everyone got quiet.  lol
          Goodnight all..  HUGS to Nemo and CP..
           Gonna go and look at the local news here online to see if there is anything that was reported about  Homeland Security flying around here.. unless the customer that said this was FOS! I did see fancy copters all day though?
            Sweet Dreams everyone. :)

          (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/11.gif)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 10, 2007, 12:32:32 AM
          Quote from: "tidycat"
          I just got here, and I want to give Angie a big smooch and say thank you, thank you for that transcription!!  It was great!  I don't care about typos, either.  You got it down and that's what counts.  I don't know how to listen to Dana's show anymore since I don't have Winamp or whatever or how to get it.  So thanks again, Angie!  And thanks to Dana and Red for having the programs and great guests.

          tidycat


           Tidy~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It is great to finally have caught up wih you honey!
           I was ready to go too.. LOL  
           I hope all is well for you. and  Yipeeeeeeeeeeeee  you are back!!!  :)
           I might not leave now..  LOL  <im sure some are rolling their eyes. lol>


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: tidycat on May 10, 2007, 12:33:02 AM
          Aww, heck!  She left before I could get the thank you up.  Oh well.

          G'night everyone!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2007, 12:33:31 AM
          Nite Angie and Tidy


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: tidycat on May 10, 2007, 12:34:24 AM
          Angie!!  Hey!  I'm so proud of you too because now you're an expert at posting those cartoon thingies and photos!  You've come a long way baby!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Anna on May 10, 2007, 12:35:08 AM
          Tidycat,
          If you are still here, just go to

          http://www.winamp.com/

          and download the free version of the player.  I think I have about five players on my computer now.  Not sure why one has to have all those but some things seem to work on one and not another.

          Hope this helps.

          .


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on May 10, 2007, 12:35:15 AM
          BOC's final sweep no peels tonite!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: tidycat on May 10, 2007, 12:36:55 AM
          Oh!  Thanks Anna!  I'll give that a try.  I have Realplayer and whatever comes with Windows.  I hate missing the broadcasts.

          Anyway, g'nite Klaas and Anna and everyone else that's up.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Lala'sMom on May 10, 2007, 12:40:06 AM
          Casa
          That is a wonderful story!  I was just about to go to bed when I read it.  I think I might cry too.   You just never know.  That's how we change things, one person at a time...I suspect you have done that for many of your students.  Now, I can hug Nemo and dream happy thoughts.  Night Casa.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 10, 2007, 12:44:08 AM
          [quote="casa  Thanks, Angie!!! Some days they love me and some days they don't! haha  I really enjoy helping them.  I had a wonderful experience last year I would like to tell yall if you dont me being off topic for a minute.  I had a student with a learning disability who graduated a few years ago.  He was very quiet in class and didn't have much self confidence.  I worked with him to help him as much as I could and give him some confidence.  He graduated but I didn't know what had happend to him.  Last year he came to the school one day to see me.  He told me that he was now working with a big time youth pastor from Texas who travels around all over the country presenting programs to teenagers.  He was beginning to speak some  himself.  He said that as a student with a learning problem he never thought he could do anything like this.  He wanted to thank me for my help and for helping him to see that he could do something with his life!  He said i had encouraged him. I cried like a baby![/quote]

           I don't blame you for crying  :)   My step daughter has said some nice things to me as of late.. shes in college for nursing right now.. and she has thanked  me for caring about them doing their homework growing up..
           < I raised her and her step brother> She said even though she thought I was a meany way back when.. she said at age 19.. knows why I was so strict with their schoolwork if they wanted to make something of themselves someday. I cryed when she told me this.. and made me feel like I made some kind of difference in her life :)   She is a straight A student in college  :)  My daughter has thanked me.. and my step son as well.. its my 17 yr old son.. I dunno what happened to?  :shock:  he is my
           trouble for some reason? raised them all the same. all honor students..
           BUT he is not this year   :cry:  I may come across as a dipshit on here at times.. LOL But education has always been of importance to me. it was when I was in school.. and tryed to set the kids straight. But my son has to be the SNOT.  :evil:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 10, 2007, 12:50:17 AM
          Night again for sure this time.
            Later taters.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Lifesong on May 10, 2007, 12:56:06 AM
          Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
          Night again for sure this time.
            Later taters.



          I've gotten lost in the Important Case Documents again.   :oops:    Soooo much to read and re-read and compare, etc.  

          Nite to all and sweet dreams!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2007, 01:02:07 AM
          Nite Lifesong


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: crazymom on May 10, 2007, 01:06:03 AM
          Hey Monkeys!  In for a drive-by.  I am going to W Plains, MO. tomorrow for a candlelight vigil in Remembrance of Jaycee Hardin.  I have been trying to organize it long distance and it has kept me busy and not being able to post.

          If you have the chance please light a candle for Jaycee at http://tinyurl.com/2a7u29 .

          Thanks to Klaas for helping with the t-shirt design.  Did ya'll know Klaas rocks?

          Klaas can you post tomorrow night to light candles for Jaycee?  TIA.  I hope to be back on Friday!  Maybe I won't get thrown in jail! Ha! Ha!

          Peace to all you monkey friends!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2007, 01:15:23 AM
          Quote from: "crazymom"
          Hey Monkeys!  In for a drive-by.  I am going to W Plains, MO. tomorrow for a candlelight vigil in Remembrance of Jaycee Hardin.  I have been trying to organize it long distance and it has kept me busy and not being able to post.

          If you have the chance please light a candle for Jaycee at http://tinyurl.com/2a7u29 .

          Thanks to Klaas for helping with the t-shirt design.  Did ya'll know Klaas rocks?

          Klaas can you post tomorrow night to light candles for Jaycee?  TIA.  I hope to be back on Friday!  Maybe I won't get thrown in jail! Ha! Ha!

          Peace to all you monkey friends!


          I'm going to count on EVERYONE to remind me!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: crazymom on May 10, 2007, 01:24:02 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "crazymom"
          Hey Monkeys!  In for a drive-by.  I am going to W Plains, MO. tomorrow for a candlelight vigil in Remembrance of Jaycee Hardin.  I have been trying to organize it long distance and it has kept me busy and not being able to post.

          If you have the chance please light a candle for Jaycee at http://tinyurl.com/2a7u29 .

          Thanks to Klaas for helping with the t-shirt design.  Did ya'll know Klaas rocks?

          Klaas can you post tomorrow night to light candles for Jaycee?  TIA.  I hope to be back on Friday!  Maybe I won't get thrown in jail! Ha! Ha!

          Peace to all you monkey friends!


          I'm going to count on EVERYONE to remind me!

          I will try but it is going to be crazy, hence the name, until I get home on Friday.  I am actually looking forward to a 4 hour drive to my mom's house in peace and quiet.  Yes, I am leaving my whole family at home.  Pray for my husband!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2007, 01:44:43 AM
          Crazymom, lol  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Freebird on May 10, 2007, 01:47:49 AM
          Quote from: "igsigs"
          Quote from: "Rob"
          There is a statement somewhere that says Paulus has some suspicious calls with Van Der Stratten in the beginning of the case.

          Yeah, Rudy said that. On the radio...IIRC.


          No mention of VDS/VDS wiretaps in Deepak's bag o police files.   Were these the inappropriate calls that Van der Straten was investigated about?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Freebird on May 10, 2007, 01:56:08 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Lifesong"
          From the security guard's statement (Slovert Reneska) on 7/08/05:

          Quote
          On your question if I was approached on Monday, May 30, 2005, in the night time hours, by a couple who were also staying in the Holiday Inn Hotel, with a story about two men and a drunk girl were on the sand north of the hotel stumbling or falling, answer I you no. Nobody approached me with this story.


          Perhaps this is who the Andres Menses fellow is and his friend Maria Bernadetta Kelly, as identified in the Dr. Phil case papers.  She gave 2 witness statements and he gave 6 or 7, right?  Could they be the couple mentioned above?

          Hmmm, could be.  Sure with Jossy or someone could find out for sure.


           FWIW - Meneses' statements were given

          May 10
          May 15
          May 26
          June 5
          June 13
          June 19
          Aug 1

          There is also a statement from Elvis May 16

          A couple of thoughts:  

          1.   These statements interviews began just prior to Guido's arrest.   I think his arrest was reported May 22, or thereabouts.   Elvis was in the casino the night Joran and Guido were gambling (and leaving to get $).   Perhaps Andres Meneses was also there that evening - overheard Joran and Guido or saw them during one of their two absences from the casino?

          2.  Remember the witness identified only as "A.B."?    Could be him?


          Title: Challenges and the Nice then Blossoms
          Post by: IBE on May 10, 2007, 02:08:18 AM
          How many time have we been the ones who have had the problems or our friends;s parents children or our children are having
          he problems  and your right word was said, the virtue, the your right story was told and this lead to the blossoming, many not at that time but in the future of the one you ended up helping, It may have been a time you had remembered then, but not now, but the who who gained your help reminds you with the saying you did, or where you went, or how you did some thing for them

          It[ size=18]be came a pivitol  time in their lives and you were a part of it.[[/size]

          To me that's one of the best warm and fezzies in life that get the least PR.. you at lease you and your heart know.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: spooky112483 on May 10, 2007, 06:32:10 AM
          morning monkeys!
          I can't sleep. I have one of my final exams today. wish me luck.
          Ya'll have done some great work here the past couple of weeks. Keep it up. We will get justice for Natalee. I know it.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tibrogargan on May 10, 2007, 06:53:09 AM
          Hi Spooky.  It has been a busy couple of weeks here in the forum.  We are all hoping for a result from the new investigations.  Natalee's family deserve answers.
          Best of luck with your exam.  Call back and let us know how things go for you.   Hugs


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Leslie on May 10, 2007, 06:58:21 AM
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          Amigoe
          http://www.amigoe.com/english/
          BonDia
          http://www.cspnv.com/
          Solo di Pueblo
          http://www.solodipueblo.com/
          Aruba Today
          http://www.arubatoday.com/
          24ora
          http://www.24ora.com/
          Translator:
          http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: spooky112483 on May 10, 2007, 07:23:27 AM
          Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
          Hi Spooky.  It has been a busy couple of weeks here in the forum.  We are all hoping for a result from the new investigations.  Natalee's family deserve answers.
          Best of luck with your exam.  Call back and let us know how things go for you.   Hugs


          Thanks so much for the luck and the hug. I will let you know how it goes.

          Morning Leslie.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Mere on May 10, 2007, 07:39:46 AM
          Morning monkeys....computer stayed on all night...got caught up....missed Dana's show but thanks for the transcript, Angie...
          Thanks for the morning papers Leslie.  Good luck on your exam
          Spooky...!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Peaches on May 10, 2007, 07:53:09 AM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Something about that accident video made me think of Brother Dave Gardner’s Motorcycle Story.  Anyone remember that one? lol lol


          Yes.  

          I thought I was the only one who ever listened to Brother Dave.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Peaches on May 10, 2007, 08:13:06 AM
          Quote from: "Rob"
          Can that sonar really see through concrete?

          I think it can see beneath hard dirt and even some rocks.. but concrete?

          Does anyone know the answer to that?


          I believe what they need is Ground Penetrating Radar.   You can read about how it works here:

          http://www.archaeophysics.com/ellis/index.html

          "The chief disadvantage of the GPR is that its success is very dependent on specific site conditions, and is very difficult to predict. In general, sandy, homogeneous soils are ideal, while clays, silts, and rocky or heterogeneous soils greatly reduce the chances of success. "


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 08:15:40 AM
          I was speaking to one of my favorite monkeys on line and she said something that I agreed with about what Art Wood said last night.  She said when Art said that at least 5 people know what happened she thinks he was excluding the suspects.  We automatically thought of the prime suspects.  I don't think that is the case and she is right.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: tcumom on May 10, 2007, 08:18:10 AM
          Peaches ~ How are you?  Last night we were hoping you are okay~  Glad to see you here this morning!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 10, 2007, 08:19:43 AM
          Quote from: "Peaches"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Something about that accident video made me think of Brother Dave Gardner’s Motorcycle Story.  Anyone remember that one? lol lol


          Yes.  

          I thought I was the only one who ever listened to Brother Dave.


          Brother Dave was hilarious.  I had a couple of first cousins that were about 8-10 years older than me and they had all of his records.  I would listen to those things over and over.  I need to find a copy of some of those.

          ".... Miss Baby wuz jus fine 'til we turned her head around."  lol lol


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: spooky112483 on May 10, 2007, 08:23:44 AM
          Quote from: "San"
          I was speaking to one of my favorite monkeys on line and she said something that I agreed with about what Art Wood said last night.  She said when Art said that at least 5 people know what happened she thinks he was excluding the suspects.  We automatically thought of the prime suspects.  I don't think that is the case and she is right.


          I was waiting on someone to say this. This is what I thought last night too when I read what Art had said. I think this is what he meant too.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Peaches on May 10, 2007, 08:25:16 AM
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          Hi Monkeys

          Has anybody heard from Peaches?

          My thoughts have been with her all day.

          Janet

          She posted real early this morning before going in for her CT Scan.  I haven't seen her post since.  I don't know how long it should take or what her plans were after.  I'm hoping she checks in and let's us know how it went.


          THank you.  I'm fine.  I came home and took a nap.  Getting up at 3 am to drink contrast left me wanting a big nap.  I guess I never logged back in...... sorry....

          I don't know when they will call me with results.  I'm hoping for Friday but realistically I know, probably Monday......


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Peaches on May 10, 2007, 08:31:10 AM
          Quote from: "nonesuche"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Anyone here feeling the pain for OJ tonight?  He got kicked out of a steakhouse and is trying to play the race card.  Bless his cold, cold heart…..


          I am proud of this Jeff Ruby and proud he's in our country, one has to wonder why Aruba would so willingly allow the sporter and paulus as well as Anita and K2 to ramble about unfettered?  :roll:

          OJ has to deflect the truth, it's his ingrained modus operandi...


          I believe Mr. Ruby has a right to refuse service to anyone.  And somebody slap Yale Galanter!  This isn't about race.  It's about getting away with murder and then rubbing people's noses in it.  

          Good morning.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 10, 2007, 08:31:13 AM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "Peaches"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Something about that accident video made me think of Brother Dave Gardner’s Motorcycle Story.  Anyone remember that one? lol lol


          Yes.  

          I thought I was the only one who ever listened to Brother Dave.


          Brother Dave was hilarious.  I had a couple of first cousins that were about 8-10 years older than me and they had all of his records.  I would listen to those things over and over.  I need to find a copy of some of those.

          ".... Miss Baby wuz jus fine 'til we turned her head around."  lol lol


          Easy - when I was growing up my mom's baby sister lived with us for a while, and she was a big fan of Brother Dave. I remember the motorcycle story and how the unfortunate Miss Baby had the motorcycle jacket on backwards.  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: yapperz1 on May 10, 2007, 08:31:49 AM
          Morning Monkeys.
          Peaches I am still praying for ya!! Glad you got that CT scan out of the way. Will make sure I am listening for the "Whoop" from up your way when you get the all clear results.  :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 10, 2007, 08:33:00 AM
          Quote from: "Peaches"

          I believe Mr. Ruby has a right to refuse service to anyone.  And somebody slap Yale Galanter!  This isn't about race.  It's about getting away with murder and then rubbing people's noses in it.  

          Good morning.


          Agreed, Peaches. OJ was convicted in civil court of the wrongful death of two people. I don't think refusing to serve him has anything to do with his race - it has to do with the fact the the man is a vicious murderer.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Atlmetroguy on May 10, 2007, 08:33:48 AM
          Quote from: "Peaches"
          Quote from: "nonesuche"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Anyone here feeling the pain for OJ tonight?  He got kicked out of a steakhouse and is trying to play the race card.  Bless his cold, cold heart…..


          I am proud of this Jeff Ruby and proud he's in our country, one has to wonder why Aruba would so willingly allow the sporter and paulus as well as Anita and K2 to ramble about unfettered?  :roll:

          OJ has to deflect the truth, it's his ingrained modus operandi...


          I believe Mr. Ruby has a right to refuse service to anyone.  And somebody slap Yale Galanter!  This isn't about race.  It's about getting away with murder and then rubbing people's noses in it.  

          Good morning.

          ********************************
          There is always some jackass who wants to play the race card as soon as possible for any situation. I am sick of it...sick of it!!!

          Oh..good morning Monkeys...glad your feeling better Peaches


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 10, 2007, 08:36:25 AM
          Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
          There is always some jackass who wants to play the race card as soon as possible for any situation. I am sick of it...sick of it!!!

          Oh..good morning Monkeys...glad your feeling better Peaches


          Morning Metro. I can't believe you're not in some strange time zone where it's 3:00 am tomorrow.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 10, 2007, 08:37:37 AM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "Peaches"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Something about that accident video made me think of Brother Dave Gardner’s Motorcycle Story.  Anyone remember that one? lol lol


          Yes.  

          I thought I was the only one who ever listened to Brother Dave.


          Brother Dave was hilarious.  I had a couple of first cousins that were about 8-10 years older than me and they had all of his records.  I would listen to those things over and over.  I need to find a copy of some of those.

          ".... Miss Baby wuz jus fine 'til we turned her head around."  lol lol


          Easy - when I was growing up my mom's baby sister lived with us for a while, and she was a big fan of Brother Dave. I remember the motorcycle story and how the unfortunate Miss Baby had the motorcycle jacket on backwards.  :lol:


          When I watched that video on 24ora of those people pulling that guy out of the overturned car, I thought of Brother Dave and Miss Baby.  "Well, he was fine until we pulled him out of the car." lol lol


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Peaches on May 10, 2007, 08:38:21 AM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "robots"

          he wasnt buying the fact that i was on an active investigation


          That's because he's not cool enough to be familiar with the new robot investigators. :wink:


          Apparently, he didn't recognize an undercover operation.....


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Atlmetroguy on May 10, 2007, 08:38:40 AM
          Quote from: "BTgirl"
          Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
          There is always some jackass who wants to play the race card as soon as possible for any situation. I am sick of it...sick of it!!!

          Oh..good morning Monkeys...glad your feeling better Peaches


          Morning Metro. I can't believe you're not in some strange time zone where it's 3:00 am tomorrow.

          ************************
          Morning BT...me either!! Nice to be home for awhile....I'm sure that will all change soon enough...lol...


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 08:38:51 AM
          Quote from: "spooky112483"
          Quote from: "San"
          I was speaking to one of my favorite monkeys on line and she said something that I agreed with about what Art Wood said last night.  She said when Art said that at least 5 people know what happened she thinks he was excluding the suspects.  We automatically thought of the prime suspects.  I don't think that is the case and she is right.


          I was waiting on someone to say this. This is what I thought last night too when I read what Art had said. I think this is what he meant too.

          Good Morning Spooky and everyone else.

          Glad you agree Spooky.  I didn't think of it until she said it and it clicked.

          Good luck with your exam.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kimmy53 on May 10, 2007, 08:40:51 AM
          Quote from: "casa"


          Thanks, Angie!!! Some days they love me and some days they don't! haha  I really enjoy helping them.  I had a wonderful experience last year I would like to tell yall if you dont me being off topic for a minute.  I had a student with a learning disability who graduated a few years ago.  He was very quiet in class and didn't have much self confidence.  I worked with him to help him as much as I could and give him some confidence.  He graduated but I didn't know what had happend to him.  Last year he came to the school one day to see me.  He told me that he was now working with a big time youth pastor from Texas who travels around all over the country presenting programs to teenagers.  He was beginning to speak some  himself.  He said that as a student with a learning problem he never thought he could do anything like this.  He wanted to thank me for my help and for helping him to see that he could do something with his life!  He said i had encouraged him. I cried like a baby!


          I just had to bring this forward - casa - what a wonderful story.  How great it must feel to know you have made a difference in someone's life like this.  Thank you and all educators for your hard work.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 08:41:51 AM
          Quote from: "Peaches"
          Quote from: "nonesuche"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Anyone here feeling the pain for OJ tonight?  He got kicked out of a steakhouse and is trying to play the race card.  Bless his cold, cold heart…..


          I am proud of this Jeff Ruby and proud he's in our country, one has to wonder why Aruba would so willingly allow the sporter and paulus as well as Anita and K2 to ramble about unfettered?  :roll:

          OJ has to deflect the truth, it's his ingrained modus operandi...


          I believe Mr. Ruby has a right to refuse service to anyone.  And somebody slap Yale Galanter!  This isn't about race.  It's about getting away with murder and then rubbing people's noses in it.  

          Good morning.

          Hi Peaches.

          That is exactly one of the reasons why I am on this board.  Joran and Paulus have been rubbing it in everyone face for the past two years.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 10, 2007, 08:42:09 AM
          i really feel DELICIOUS today and have a real good feeling about
          this breaking wide open.

          i think that Paulus doesnt feel delicious, i think he feels like a rotten
          pumpkin that is about to get kicked into the TRASH CAN  

          he for some reason reminds me of a walking rotten FAT pumpkin that stinks from sweating so much

          NEWSFLASH for PAULUS


          take a shower, wash hair, use conditioner

          REPEAT

          REPEAT

          REPEAT

          thank you


          holy moses smell the roses, do something with that GREASE PIT  8)  :twisted:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 10, 2007, 08:43:15 AM
          ohhhhhhhhhhh  boy

          robots is ranting and its so early
           :lol:


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: BTgirl on May 10, 2007, 08:44:09 AM
          Quote from: "San"

          That is exactly one of the reasons why I am on this board.  Joran and Paulus have been rubbing it in everyone face for the past two years.


          Me too, San. Every time I think of OJ I get furious all over again, and I don't want to see any other murderers walking around free to enjoy themselves.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 08:55:04 AM
          Quote from: "robots"
          i really feel DELICIOUS today and have a real good feeling about
          this breaking wide open.

          i think that Paulus doesnt feel delicious, i think he feels like a rotten
          pumpkin that is about to get kicked into the TRASH CAN  

          he for some reason reminds me of a walking rotten FAT pumpkin that stinks from sweating so much

          NEWSFLASH for PAULUS


          take a shower, wash hair, use conditioner

          REPEAT

          REPEAT

          REPEAT

          thank you


          holy moses smell the roses, do something with that GREASE PIT  8)  :twisted:

          I'll settle if someone knocks him off.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kimmy53 on May 10, 2007, 08:59:59 AM
          robots:  holy moses smell the roses...ROFLMAO!!!!!!  I haven't heard that in a long time....  You make me laff and laff.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 10, 2007, 09:01:46 AM
          Quote from: "Kimmy53"
          robots:  holy moses smell the roses...ROFLMAO!!!!!!  I haven't heard that in a long time....  You make me laff and laff.


          yea, thats a good one

          aint it  :twisted:

          im even laughing over here myself  8)

          going to be 83 here today
          im glad paulus the SWEAT HOG aint around here

          he is disgusting


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 10, 2007, 09:03:28 AM
          i mean gooodness, im an ugly robot but at least i shower every day

          and showering for robots is dangerous,

          high voltage and water ..................YIKES  8)


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 09:05:22 AM
          Quote from: "robots"
          Quote from: "Kimmy53"
          robots:  holy moses smell the roses...ROFLMAO!!!!!!  I haven't heard that in a long time....  You make me laff and laff.


          yea, thats a good one

          aint it  :twisted:

          im even laughing over here myself  8)

          going to be 83 here today
          im glad paulus the SWEAT HOG aint around here

          he is disgusting

          He is disgusting robots.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: msmarple on May 10, 2007, 09:06:59 AM
          Morning Monkeys. Diario isn't updated yet for 05/10; I'll check it again later.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: robots on May 10, 2007, 09:07:51 AM
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "robots"
          Quote from: "Kimmy53"
          robots:  holy moses smell the roses...ROFLMAO!!!!!!  I haven't heard that in a long time....  You make me laff and laff.


          yea, thats a good one

          aint it  :twisted:

          im even laughing over here myself  8)

          going to be 83 here today
          im glad paulus the SWEAT HOG aint around here

          he is disgusting

          He is disgusting robots.


          he really is, not to mention just the sweaty stuff
          but the inside of him is HORRIBLE

          imagine, to TOP IT all,, he probably encouraged joran to write the piece of trash, garbage, cesspool paper item they call a book

          it is incredulous  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 09:12:23 AM
          Quote from: "robots"
          Quote from: "San"
          Quote from: "robots"
          Quote from: "Kimmy53"
          robots:  holy moses smell the roses...ROFLMAO!!!!!!  I haven't heard that in a long time....  You make me laff and laff.


          yea, thats a good one

          aint it  :twisted:

          im even laughing over here myself  8)

          going to be 83 here today
          im glad paulus the SWEAT HOG aint around here

          he is disgusting

          He is disgusting robots.


          he really is, not to mention just the sweaty stuff
          but the inside of him is HORRIBLE

          imagine, to TOP IT all,, he probably encouraged joran to write the piece of trash, garbage, cesspool paper item they call a book

          it is incredulous  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x

          Exactly robots.  Paulus had the power to say no.  But instead he encouraged him to write this POS book and he hurt even more people.  Look what he said about the girls on Aruba.  He called the boycott silly and he didn't care.  He brings everyone down in this book.  I BLAME PAULUS AND PAULUS WAS PROBABLY GETTING HIS THRILLS BY THIS.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Hotshot on May 10, 2007, 09:27:26 AM
          Go here to see video...  Horcamento na Kijkuit Post Bubali Plas ...Just another hanging in Aruba
          http://www.24ora.com/


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: greeneyedlady on May 10, 2007, 09:42:35 AM
          Don't know if this has been posted yet,but I see Ramm has finished translating ch. 7 of Joran's book:

          http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6913.0


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: IndyDan on May 10, 2007, 09:50:19 AM
          Quote from: "Peaches"
          Quote from: "nonesuche"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Anyone here feeling the pain for OJ tonight?  He got kicked out of a steakhouse and is trying to play the race card.  Bless his cold, cold heart…..


          I am proud of this Jeff Ruby and proud he's in our country, one has to wonder why Aruba would so willingly allow the sporter and paulus as well as Anita and K2 to ramble about unfettered?  :roll:

          OJ has to deflect the truth, it's his ingrained modus operandi...


          I believe Mr. Ruby has a right to refuse service to anyone.  And somebody slap Yale Galanter!  This isn't about race.  It's about getting away with murder and then rubbing people's noses in it.  

          Good morning.

          Good Morning Yall!
          Either this weekend or next, I’m driving down to Lancaster, KY to pick up some white cedar log furniture from Rocky Top Log Furniture for my screened porch.  To get there and back I have to drive thru Louisville.  I plan to stop by this restaurant to eat and shake this guys hand.


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Kimmy53 on May 10, 2007, 09:55:39 AM
          Quote from: "IndyDan"
          Quote from: "Peaches"
          Quote from: "nonesuche"
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Anyone here feeling the pain for OJ tonight?  He got kicked out of a steakhouse and is trying to play the race card.  Bless his cold, cold heart…..


          I am proud of this Jeff Ruby and proud he's in our country, one has to wonder why Aruba would so willingly allow the sporter and paulus as well as Anita and K2 to ramble about unfettered?  :roll:

          OJ has to deflect the truth, it's his ingrained modus operandi...


          I believe Mr. Ruby has a right to refuse service to anyone.  And somebody slap Yale Galanter!  This isn't about race.  It's about getting away with murder and then rubbing people's noses in it.  

          Good morning.

          Good Morning Yall!
          Either this weekend or next, I’m driving down to Lancaster, KY to pick up some white cedar log furniture from Rocky Top Log Furniture for my screened porch.  To get there and back I have to drive thru Louisville.  I plan to stop by this restaurant to eat and shake this guys hand.


          I'm telling you - I CHEER this fellow too.  It is all to often people are afraid to stand up for what they believe in this politically correct world.   Tell him us monkeys applaud him for his stance!!!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Easywriter on May 10, 2007, 09:55:48 AM
          Quote from: "Hotshot"
          Go here to see video...  Horcamento na Kijkuit Post Bubali Plas ...Just another hanging in Aruba
          http://www.24ora.com/


          Jossy tells me that the DIARIO has a good working relationship with 24ora and he has spoken with the owners very recently.  He also says that they keep about seven photographers in the streets of Aruba all the time.

          I think it would be worthwhile for people to email them (info@24ora.com) and let them know there is interest in an English version of their publication.  Registering with them will also get you news alerts, etc. (www.24ora.com)

          We have all been wanting something like this, right?


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Lifesong on May 10, 2007, 09:56:13 AM
          Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
          Don't know if this has been posted yet,but I see Ramm has finished translating ch. 7 of Joran's book:

          http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6913.0



          Good morning all!

          Can someone copy it over here?  I registered at BFN, but have to wait for approval so I can't read it.  Been waiting a couple of days for this one, eh?

          TYIA!!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Hotshot on May 10, 2007, 09:57:03 AM
          Quote from: "Easywriter"
          Quote from: "Hotshot"
          Go here to see video...  Horcamento na Kijkuit Post Bubali Plas ...Just another hanging in Aruba
          http://www.24ora.com/


          Jossy tells me that the DIARIO has a good working relationship with 24ora and he has spoken with the owners very recently.  He also says that they keep about seven photographers in the streets of Aruba all the time.

          I think it would be worthwhile for people to email them (info@24ora.com) and let them know there is interest in an English version of their publication.  Registering with them will also get you news alerts, etc. (www.24ora.com)

          We have all been wanting something like this, right?

          Excellent idea!


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2007, 09:57:11 AM
          Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
          Don't know if this has been posted yet,but I see Ramm has finished translating ch. 7 of Joran's book:

          http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6913.0

          Posted by Ramm at BFN:

          First this, this is going to be a pretty short chapter because most things are already well known to the avid followers of the case so there will not be a lot of surprises in it. The first part handles Natalee's life up to the trip and then there will be a short piece regarding the trip up to the point she meets Joran.

          CHAPTER 7 - NATALEE HOLLOWAY

          page 1:

          - most of this page is about where Natalee was born, where she grew up (Clinton Miss.), the fact that she has a brother, when her parents split up (1993), when Dave gets re-married (1995), it mentions Robin as his current wife and the fact that they have 2 kids (names are mentioned in the book but there are not of interest so I am going to forgo them), talks about the custody (when Natalee goes to stay with her father because they live with Beth).

          - then there is a part of an interview published in the Clinton View News on the 16th of June 2005 in which youth friend Mary Elizabeth Davis comments on her 15 year friendship with Natalee in which she says that Natalee was very sweet but also a bit gullible/naive/stupid and that she was an avid shopper

          - then more about Natalee's childhood, about them playing boardgames, painting nails, childlike mischief (messing with her brothers toy cars), her love of barbie dolls and especially barbie clothes, her later love of Lipgloss Lip Smackers, her getting to befriend Brooke Thomas (with whom Natalee shares the passion for dance).
          page 2 + 3:

          - Brooke mentions that Natalee often visited her house and that Natalee thought her big brother was cool

          - Mary Reeves (former babysitter) describes Natalee as vibrant and lively, it tells about Natalee's rich fantasy and about a button on a chest that would produce Kool aid when pressed

          - then it talks about Natalee joining a prayer group with some friends, it talks about Natalee always being the girl who had the most things to pray about (like boys she liked, boys she did not like, for the junior-high school dance performances, etc.).

          - then J. Reeves, principle of her former Junior High and a neighbor describes Natalee as bright with a good set of brains. She was always quiet at school and did not want the rest of the kids to know that she knew the headmaster.

          - it also mentions that Natalee's friends noticed the close bond of friendship that Beth and Natalee shared.

          - then comes the marriage of Beth and Jug and Natalee's move to Mountain Brook where Beth goes to teach. Natalee starts in the 8th grade of Junior High in MB and becomes friends with Madison (real name is mentioned but not important here for the summary), Madison and Natalee become inseparable and go on to MB high school together.

          - according to Beth Natalee is the typical American Teen: dancing in the MB dance team and with dancing lessons she achieves that goal, it also mentions Natalee and Madison are in advanced classes.

          - then an anecdote straight from Dave's book about Natalee when young breaking her arm while dancing (this to illustrate the passion for dance from a young age)

          - mentions Natalee's membership of the math club and spanish club, part-time job and volunteer work, mentions her joining the bible club at her new school and mentions her hobbies as dancing, swimming and shopping.

          - favorite movie = Wizard of Oz, talks about statuettes of the movie in her room and the Wizard of Oz cake given by her mom for her 18th. Natalee also likes Lynyrd Skynyrd

          - it mentions that Natalee was popular, has lot's of friends and is well respected by her peers. She is an intelligent and driven girl who wants to make something of her future. Also mentions the grant for after the summer.
          page 4 and 5:

          - talks about Natalee wanting to study medicine at the Uni of Alabama

          - talks about Beth having no problem with Natalee's trip to Aruba and then printed are some excerpts of the Vanity fair article in which it is written that Natalee had had a sheltered upbringing, that Natalee NEVER drank, never had a boyfriend and had never had sex. Beth wrote that Natalee was smart but also very naive.

          - then talks about Jug's son being on Aruba 2 years earlier, about the 2 stepnephews that were also going to be on the trip (mentions that Natalee was not close to them)

          - says that Dave was not happy with the planned trip. Talks about the fact that Dave wrote in his book that he tried to dissuade Natalee from going. It is written that Dave did not like the idea of so many students and so little supervision. He also thinks 985$ for that short a trip is a bit pricey but in the end relents and agrees to pay half the trip (even though he and Robin still had serious reservations about it) as a present for her graduation.

          - then comes the story about her graduation and the ceremony that comes 2 days before they leave. Talks about the extra effort Natalee made to find extra tickets so that her 2 sisters could also come (as there weren't enough tickets allocated to her to make that possible).

          - Dave, Robin, the kids and 3,000 other people go to this ceremony and it writes that Dave was unable to locate Natalee due to the excess amount of white robed graduates but that Natalee calls him on his cell and they meet up, Dave takes some pics and give her the cheque for 500$. Natalee thanks him and they said their goodbye's.

          - the day before departing for Aruba Natalee calls and speaks to Robin, she is very exited about the trip and Robin reminds her to be careful.

          - then on the 26th of May 2005 Beth drops her 18 year old daughter off at a friends house from where they will leave for the trip to Aruba.

          page 6 and 7:

          - talks about the number of students going (124) and the number of adults who will accompany them (7) and that Beth said she will pick Natalee up from the airport on the 30th

          - then it talks about an event that took place 5 days before the students arrived when a well groomed black guy tries to drag an American tourists into the bushes for what she expects will be an attempted rape. The man later is featured in Opsporing Verzocht (word of translator: we are talking about the guy of whom we got to see a composite drawing on Opsporing Verzocht). The man is described and it also mentions that when he failed he threatened the tourist by saying that he know in which hotel she was staying. The tourist goes to the police to file a report but she is refused by the police when she asks for a copy of her statement to the police.

          - then comes the trip proper, the FBI files show that Natalee and her friends said to the FBI that they did not do much more than swim, catch some rays and go out. It talks about the students being free to pair up and that Natalee shared with Ruth, Lee and Madison in room 7114 of the HI. They arrived Thursday afternoon. And although they were there with 4, only 3 slept there as Madison stayed in her boyfriends room (Trey) for all of the vacation.

          - then the story mentions the location of the room, the things in the room, the fact that Ruth and Natalee shared 1 twin bed.

          - it then mentions on interview with Ruth from the NY Post of the 17th of July in which it is said that the girls stayed up all night talking about the future and their dreams, about Natalee going to the Uni of Alabama with a scholarship and wanting to become a doctor.
           
           page 8 and 9:

          - Natalee said even though they would go to different Uni's they would remain friends.

          - the room they shared looked out on the Moomba bar, a popular place with locals. Next to the Moomba is an alleyway in which drugs are dealt, it talks about coke being cheap there

          - talks about Natalee hooking up with a dutch marine with blue eyes but it says that he shipped out prior to her going missing making him no suspect

          - talks about Dompig saying that Natalee called her mom from Aruba saying she had fallen in love with a blue eyed dutch boy. Beth supposedly also said this to a reporter from the island and to a HI employee. Something Beth strongly denies ever having said, she denies having talked with Natalee while she was on the island

          - talks about Dompig also stating that Natalee used and possessed drugs on the island and there there were witnesses claiming she had been using them (also mentioned in Peter R. de Vries's show). She is also said to have offered it twice to a fellow student.

          - Lee talks about their daily routine which consisted of starting to drink at ten in the morning, lying on the beach beds for some rays and swimming. Natalee's drink of choice was red fires (mix of bacardi 151 and cola light). Also mentions that bacardi 151 is very strong stuff. Lee says that her and Natalee drank pretty much throughout the day, they would return to their rooms at 5 for some rest, at approx. 6 they would get ready for dinner and after that going out

          - then Dompig is quoted from Vanity Fair that the students were very wild, they often swapped rooms and that their school would not be allowed back to the HI next year

          - goes on with witness statements. Dompig says Natalee drank so heavily she did not go to breakfast twice during the trip.

          - croupiers at the HI Excelsior have testified about Natalee's drinking habits. One of them (Sandy Dirks) called Natalee an alcoholic because Natalee asked for almost full glasses of rum with a bit of coca cola but this Sandy said she was only allowed double rum's in a glass and not full up rum in a glass with a sip of coca cola. The whole group drank a lot, but Natalee drank the most.

          - croupier Elzeline Tromp saw that on the 28th of May Natalee had been in the casino drinking heavily, she look drunk and her co-workers also noticed that
          page 10 and 11:

          - goes on with testimony of witness croupier Michael Cornes noting that Natalee drank full up rum with barely any coca cola and that she drank this all the nite while there. He also says that he had been told she would drink rum all day long

          - director of Housekeeping Milarca Wedervoort said to the police about the behavior of the MB kids: they swapped room all the time, men and women mixed, had more people to 1 room than allowed, rooms were a mess, Yard cups everywhere and 2 blocked toilets

          - goes on with the story that Madison and her friends teased Natalee with her unusually short skirt, Madison saying Natalee was a virgin and that she would not allow guys to touch her. To contradict this testimony of Madison it is then mentioned that family members of Natalee later testified that Natalee's former boyfriend Jeremy Brown was also there. Madison however is the short shirt wearing kind of person and it also mentions Madison saying that Natalee was not the ultimate party animal on the island, she partied just like all other students.

          - it says that at home Natalee was a social drinker in the weekend, although never more than 3 or 4 drinks. Natalee always got up early, she did not smoke and if she ever "blowed" then it would not have been more than once or twice.

          - Ruth never saw Natalee do drugs, Ruth says Natalee is the most responsible girl she knows and that Natalee has a strict daily routine and often goes to bed at nine PM

          - Friday the 28th: talks about Madison and Natalee chilling at the pool at the HI, chatting, sunning and swimming, going over to the next hotel when they hear music but coming back quickly. More of the daily routine, going for a nap in the afternoon, getting ready to party.

          - then the security guard trying to get into their room is mentioned (described as a light skinned man with dark security uniform). More talk about Lee having heard stuff was stolen off rooms of fellow MB students and one instance were a security guard was caught in the middle of a room when the occupants went into the room.

          - that night the girls went to C&C's, Madison got back in a cab, does not know how late Natalee returned.

          page 12 and 13:

          - Saturday 28th, goes on about the diving cruise (snorkling), there is some alcohol, some music and Natalee did not feel that well (maybe sea-sickness according to Madison). Natalee did not drink alcohol on the boat and Madison stayed in that night and can not tell about what Natalee did that night. Lee does know, Natalee got plastered that night and Kevin Broday had to escort her to her room

          - Sunday 29th: Natalee hits the red fires from an early hour. She is drunk soon after. Her friends tell her to take it back a notch but Lee and Natalee keep up their drinking routine while relaxing at the pool of the hotel.

          - between 6 and 7 getting ready for dinner, Natalee downed yet more red fires according to Madison but she did not consider Natalee to be drunk at that time. Natalee and her girlfriends talked during dinner as to whom they were going to hook up with. Madison believed Natalee would end up in the sack with Kevin Broday but Natalee was also said to be flirting seriously with Jack Noble.

          - After dinner Natalee, Madison, Lee, Ruth, Trey and a fellow student named Thorton go to the casino in the excelsior.

          - then talks about Ruth having lost money and wanting to win it back at the black jack table. Natalee did not play black jack, she was walking between her friends and talking constantly on a cellphone. At 20.40 hours Natalee starts drinking a vodka Mixer.

          - at the black jack table there are 2 men. One is white male, approx. 45 with dark hairs whom Madison had seen 2 days earlier at the HI casino. People later thought this guy resembled Paul van der Sloot, Joran's dad but he had already left at that time. The other is a quiet, white young man who said he was 19 and came from the Netherlands.

          END OF CHAPTER


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: Tamikosmom on May 10, 2007, 09:58:41 AM
          Quote from: "Peaches"
          Quote from: "klaasend"
          Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
          Hi Monkeys

          Has anybody heard from Peaches?

          My thoughts have been with her all day.

          Janet

          She posted real early this morning before going in for her CT Scan.  I haven't seen her post since.  I don't know how long it should take or what her plans were after.  I'm hoping she checks in and let's us know how it went.


          THank you.  I'm fine.  I came home and took a nap.  Getting up at 3 am to drink contrast left me wanting a big nap.  I guess I never logged back in...... sorry....

          I don't know when they will call me with results.  I'm hoping for Friday but realistically I know, probably Monday......


          Good Morning Peaches ... Good Morning Monkeys

          Janet

          7:00 AM PDST


          Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
          Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 09:58:46 AM
          Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
          Don't know if this has been posted yet,but I see Ramm has finished translating ch. 7 of Joran's book:

          http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6913.0

          Joran is truly a psycho.  He is giving a recap of what Natalee did on vacation.  What a bunch of bullshit.  He copied everything he has ever heard or read on the internet.

            Joran's book:

            - goes on with testimony of witness croupier Michael Cornes noting that Natalee drank full up rum with barely any coca cola and that she drank this all the nite while there. He also says that he had been told she would drink rum all day long.
            [/list]

            How the hell would this guy remember what Natalee drank.  He wasn't the one who got the drinks for her.  Did he taste her drink.  Notice how he says there was hardly any coca cola and it was full up run.


            Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
            Post by: Easywriter on May 10, 2007, 09:59:34 AM
            Quote from: "IndyDan"
            Quote from: "Peaches"
            Quote from: "nonesuche"
            Quote from: "Easywriter"
            Anyone here feeling the pain for OJ tonight?  He got kicked out of a steakhouse and is trying to play the race card.  Bless his cold, cold heart…..


            I am proud of this Jeff Ruby and proud he's in our country, one has to wonder why Aruba would so willingly allow the sporter and paulus as well as Anita and K2 to ramble about unfettered?  :roll:

            OJ has to deflect the truth, it's his ingrained modus operandi...


            I believe Mr. Ruby has a right to refuse service to anyone.  And somebody slap Yale Galanter!  This isn't about race.  It's about getting away with murder and then rubbing people's noses in it.  

            Good morning.

            Good Morning Yall!
            Either this weekend or next, I’m driving down to Lancaster, KY to pick up some white cedar log furniture from Rocky Top Log Furniture for my screened porch.  To get there and back I have to drive thru Louisville.  I plan to stop by this restaurant to eat and shake this guys hand.


            That's great!  Tell him he has a lot of people that support him and understand his outrage!


            Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
            Post by: Rob on May 10, 2007, 10:00:04 AM
            Quote from: "Easywriter"
            Quote from: "Hotshot"
            Go here to see video...  Horcamento na Kijkuit Post Bubali Plas ...Just another hanging in Aruba
            http://www.24ora.com/


            Jossy tells me that the DIARIO has a good working relationship with 24ora and he has spoken with the owners very recently.  He also says that they keep about seven photographers in the streets of Aruba all the time.

            I think it would be worthwhile for people to email them (info@24ora.com) and let them know there is interest in an English version of their publication.  Registering with them will also get you news alerts, etc. (www.24ora.com)

            We have all been wanting something like this, right?


            Hopefully they will catch the next pimp attack on a tourist and we won't have to go through this all again.. and a family wont be dragged through the mud for two years.

            Good Morning everyone.


            Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
            Post by: Rob on May 10, 2007, 10:03:54 AM
            *ALERT*

            Drivers searching lake for missing Illinois mom Lisa Stebic.


            Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
            Post by: greeneyedlady on May 10, 2007, 10:04:21 AM
            Quote from: "San"
            Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
            Don't know if this has been posted yet,but I see Ramm has finished translating ch. 7 of Joran's book:

            http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6913.0

            Joran is truly a psycho.  He is giving a recap of what Natalee did on vacation.  What a bunch of bullshit.  He copied everything he has ever heard or read on the internet.

              Joran's book:

              - goes on with testimony of witness croupier Michael Cornes noting that Natalee drank full up rum with barely any coca cola and that she drank this all the nite while there. He also says that he had been told she would drink rum all day long.
              [/list]

              How the hell would this guy remember what Natalee drank.  He wasn't the one who got the drinks for her.  Did he taste her drink.  Notice how he says there was hardly any coca cola and it was full up run.


              Yep-I've been thinking that same thing.


              Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
              Post by: greeneyedlady on May 10, 2007, 10:09:39 AM
              Easy-I still haven't got an answer for who Andre(s) Meneses is...this is what I got so far:
              MF wrote:
              Wow, finally someone noticed that there were a lot of other persons interrogated/interviewed by the ALE and not one but many times. That the HMI only used selected parts of mistranslated PV's says a lot.

              GEL wrote:
              Do you know who this person is and why he was questioned so many times?

              Charlierat wrote:
              What's the matter? Your MonKKKey sources run dry? I couldn't help but notice that the topic of discussion over at the Klan site is the significance of Meneses' detention.

              I guess since Jossy doesn't know, you expect MF to fill in the blanks for you.


              Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
              Post by: Peaches on May 10, 2007, 10:10:54 AM
              Quote from: "Rob"
              *ALERT*

              Drivers searching lake for missing Illinois mom Lisa Stebic.


              And the last person to see her is.............

              DING DING DING!

              her soon to be ex husband.

              And 85% of the time, the last person seen with the missing person is the culprit.
               
              If he's not a POI yet, I bet he will be soon.


              Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
              Post by: Dayhiker on May 10, 2007, 10:11:57 AM
              Quote from: "San"
              Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
              Don't know if this has been posted yet,but I see Ramm has finished translating ch. 7 of Joran's book:

              http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6913.0

              Joran is truly a psycho.  He is giving a recap of what Natalee did on vacation.  What a bunch of bullshit.  He copied everything he has ever heard or read on the internet.

                Joran's book:

                - goes on with testimony of witness croupier Michael Cornes noting that Natalee drank full up rum with barely any coca cola and that she drank this all the nite while there. He also says that he had been told she would drink rum all day long.
                [/list]

                How the hell would this guy remember what Natalee drank.  He wasn't the one who got the drinks for her.  Did he taste her drink.  Notice how he says there was hardly any coca cola and it was full up run.



                Morning San and all. If I want and account of what Natalee was doing that weekend I won't get it from a self-admitted pathological liar. Read between the lines and all Joran is doing is trying to plant seeds of doubt. That's what liars and defense attorneys who handle liars do.


                Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                Post by: Peaches on May 10, 2007, 10:12:34 AM
                GEL, apparently CHarlierat hasn't gotten the memo either or he would have popped off the answer just to show off.


                Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                Post by: greeneyedlady on May 10, 2007, 10:13:51 AM
                Quote from: "Peaches"
                GEL, apparently CHarlierat hasn't gotten the memo either or he would have popped off the answer just to show off.


                 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


                Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                Post by: Lifesong on May 10, 2007, 10:16:19 AM
                Thank you, Klaas!

                Wow - that chapter made me really mad!!  Joran's book telling the story of Natalee's life and the previous days of her trip.... as if he had a freakin' clue who she was and what made her so special -  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

                He didn't know and he didn't care.   :evil:   I feel sick.


                Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 10:16:35 AM
                I have to laugh when I read this:

                - then talks about Ruth having lost money and wanting to win it back at the black jack table. Natalee did not play black jack, she was walking between her friends and talking constantly on a cellphone. At 20.40 hours Natalee starts drinking a vodka Mixer.

                What happened to he won Natalee money back for her and she called him her lucky charm :roll: .

                Again he says Natalle is drinking and he gives exact times and knows what she is drinking.

                So far we have two different drinks he names.


                Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 10:19:51 AM
                Quote from: "Dayhiker"
                Quote from: "San"
                Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                Don't know if this has been posted yet,but I see Ramm has finished translating ch. 7 of Joran's book:

                http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6913.0

                Joran is truly a psycho.  He is giving a recap of what Natalee did on vacation.  What a bunch of bullshit.  He copied everything he has ever heard or read on the internet.

                  Joran's book:

                  - goes on with testimony of witness croupier Michael Cornes noting that Natalee drank full up rum with barely any coca cola and that she drank this all the nite while there. He also says that he had been told she would drink rum all day long.
                  [/list]

                  How the hell would this guy remember what Natalee drank.  He wasn't the one who got the drinks for her.  Did he taste her drink.  Notice how he says there was hardly any coca cola and it was full up run.



                  Morning San and all. If I want and account of what Natalee was doing that weekend I won't get it from a self-admitted pathological liar. Read between the lines and all Joran is doing is trying to plant seeds of doubt. That's what liars and defense attorneys who handle liars do.

                  I agree.  But it is so unbelievable to read this crap that I have to laugh at him.  He went on that interview he did like he was Joe Cool.  He is a moron.


                  Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                  Post by: Peaches on May 10, 2007, 10:20:56 AM
                  Quote from: "Lifesong"
                  Thank you, Klaas!

                  Wow - that chapter made me really mad!!  Joran's book telling the story of Natalee's life and the previous days of her trip.... as if he had a freakin' clue who she was and what made her so special -  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

                  He didn't know and he didn't care.   :evil:   I feel sick.


                  Welcome to the club.

                  Five visits to a psychiatrist won't fix what's wrong with that boy.


                  Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                  Post by: Easywriter on May 10, 2007, 10:21:31 AM
                  Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                  Easy-I still haven't got an answer for who Andre(s) Meneses is...this is what I got so far:
                  MF wrote:
                  Wow, finally someone noticed that there were a lot of other persons interrogated/interviewed by the ALE and not one but many times. That the HMI only used selected parts of mistranslated PV's says a lot.

                  GEL wrote:
                  Do you know who this person is and why he was questioned so many times?

                  Charlierat wrote:
                  What's the matter? Your MonKKKey sources run dry? I couldn't help but notice that the topic of discussion over at the Klan site is the significance of Meneses' detention.

                  I guess since Jossy doesn't know, you expect MF to fill in the blanks for you.


                  They obviously do not know their heads from their a$$holes, but thanks for giving it a shot.

                  None of those people have a real interest in the case of Natalee Holloway, they just want to bash someone, anyone.


                  Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                  Post by: Kimmy53 on May 10, 2007, 10:24:52 AM
                  Quote from: "Lifesong"
                  Thank you, Klaas!

                  Wow - that chapter made me really mad!!  Joran's book telling the story of Natalee's life and the previous days of her trip.... as if he had a freakin' clue who she was and what made her so special -  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

                  He didn't know and he didn't care.   :evil:   I feel sick.


                  Oh I know what you mean...I am really pissed off.  I hate to get this mad.  Does Joran really think this will make him look better?  That is the whole purpose of his book...to feed his ego.  POS...


                  Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                  Post by: Easywriter on May 10, 2007, 10:26:06 AM
                  Well, chapter 7 sux!  But, it seems like it would be incriminating for Joran at the same time.


                  Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                  Post by: Rob on May 10, 2007, 10:26:20 AM
                  Quote from: "Peaches"
                  Quote from: "Rob"
                  *ALERT*

                  Drivers searching lake for missing Illinois mom Lisa Stebic.


                  And the last person to see her is.............

                  DING DING DING!

                  her soon to be ex husband.

                  And 85% of the time, the last person seen with the missing person is the culprit.
                   
                  If he's not a POI yet, I bet he will be soon.


                  yes Peaches...I'm glad you are doing so well. :D


                  Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                  Post by: greeneyedlady on May 10, 2007, 10:27:15 AM
                  Quote from: "Easywriter"
                  Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                  Easy-I still haven't got an answer for who Andre(s) Meneses is...this is what I got so far:
                  MF wrote:
                  Wow, finally someone noticed that there were a lot of other persons interrogated/interviewed by the ALE and not one but many times. That the HMI only used selected parts of mistranslated PV's says a lot.

                  GEL wrote:
                  Do you know who this person is and why he was questioned so many times?

                  Charlierat wrote:
                  What's the matter? Your MonKKKey sources run dry? I couldn't help but notice that the topic of discussion over at the Klan site is the significance of Meneses' detention.

                  I guess since Jossy doesn't know, you expect MF to fill in the blanks for you.


                  They obviously do not know their heads from their a$$holes, but thanks for giving it a shot.

                  None of those people have a real interest in the case of Natalee Holloway, they just want to bash someone, anyone.


                  Yes that's true.Maybe they would answer if someone else that was liked over there asked..lol..I'm not very well liked there.Here's a post from frazerclan,didn't know I was part of a band. :lol:

                  frazerclan wrote:
                  Introducing that hot new band, The Derailers:

                  1. Doc
                  2. Awabbi
                  3. all10suspects
                  4. Libster
                  5. Wildcat
                  6. plhtx1
                  7. Chillin
                  8. Gel
                  9. Kimmy27
                  10. Janee
                  11. Dragon
                  12. Trixie

                  plus, we are taking nominations........


                  Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                  Post by: nonesuche on May 10, 2007, 10:28:26 AM
                  Quote from: "San"
                  Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                  Don't know if this has been posted yet,but I see Ramm has finished translating ch. 7 of Joran's book:

                  http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6913.0

                  Joran is truly a psycho.  He is giving a recap of what Natalee did on vacation.  What a bunch of bullshit.  He copied everything he has ever heard or read on the internet.

                    Joran's book:

                    - goes on with testimony of witness croupier Michael Cornes noting that Natalee drank full up rum with barely any coca cola and that she drank this all the nite while there. He also says that he had been told she would drink rum all day long.
                    [/list]

                    How the hell would this guy remember what Natalee drank.  He wasn't the one who got the drinks for her.  Did he taste her drink.  Notice how he says there was hardly any coca cola and it was full up run.


                    pretty sickening isn't it? How many Dutch will read this book and assume this is FACT???

                    yet the entire VDS family has had such outrage yet their son, the son of a wannabe judge remember who should respect the power of truth.........launches more lies and half-truth's in a book for the world to read.

                    Put Paulus in the Pokey, my new mantra/acronym. PPP !! Cut the disease off at the head !


                    Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                    Post by: Rob on May 10, 2007, 10:31:33 AM
                    Is this the same pimp that drinks a case of beer and buys 151 rum for girls writing this book?

                    Is this the same pimp that is so concerned about drug dealing at Moomba beach that when he arrived back on Aruba he had a tent party there all nite?

                    Is this the same pimp (fill in the blanks).....

                    Chapter 8-

                    I, Joran, was a virgin until Natalee came to Aruba and ruined my future. I never drank or smoked. I was an innocent sporter just trying to play tennis and teach my younger brothers how to respect our parents.

                    What a huge pile of bullshit!!!!


                    Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                    Post by: nonesuche on May 10, 2007, 10:35:19 AM
                    well even Greta promoted the double standard Rob, she's inclined to believe someone who openly said they had done this 20 times before?

                    A 17 year old??????


                    Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                    Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 10:35:55 AM
                    Quote from: "nonesuche"
                    Quote from: "San"
                    Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                    Don't know if this has been posted yet,but I see Ramm has finished translating ch. 7 of Joran's book:

                    http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6913.0

                    Joran is truly a psycho.  He is giving a recap of what Natalee did on vacation.  What a bunch of bullshit.  He copied everything he has ever heard or read on the internet.

                      Joran's book:

                      - goes on with testimony of witness croupier Michael Cornes noting that Natalee drank full up rum with barely any coca cola and that she drank this all the nite while there. He also says that he had been told she would drink rum all day long.
                      [/list]

                      How the hell would this guy remember what Natalee drank.  He wasn't the one who got the drinks for her.  Did he taste her drink.  Notice how he says there was hardly any coca cola and it was full up run.


                      pretty sickening isn't it? How many Dutch will read this book and assume this is FACT???

                      yet the entire VDS family has had such outrage yet their son, the son of a wannabe judge remember who should respect the power of truth.........launches more lies and half-truth's in a book for the world to read.

                      Put Paulus in the Pokey, my new mantra/acronym. PPP !! Cut the disease off at the head !

                      I agree.


                      Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                      Post by: Tamikosmom on May 10, 2007, 10:37:47 AM
                      Quote from: "San"
                      I have to laugh when I read this:

                      - then talks about Ruth having lost money and wanting to win it back at the black jack table. Natalee did not play black jack, she was walking between her friends and talking constantly on a cellphone. At 20.40 hours Natalee starts drinking a vodka Mixer.

                      What happened to he won Natalee money back for her and she called him her lucky charm :roll: .

                      Again he says Natalle is drinking and he gives exact times and knows what she is drinking.

                      So far we have two different drinks he names.


                      No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar ... Abraham Lincoln

                      First it is Natalee ... then it is Kathleen and now ... it is Ruth.


                      Charles Croes
                      On the Record w/ Greta
                      June 30, 2005


                      VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say?

                      C. CROES: He said that he had been gambling and that he met Natalee. And Natalee told him that she had lost some money and was trying to recuperate it before she went home. And he apparently was a good poker player, or blackjack player, whatever it is, and that he helped her recoup some of her monies, and gave it back to her. And she then considered him her lucky charm.


                      Joran Van der Sloot
                      On the Record w/ Greta
                      March 1, 2005


                      VAN DER SLOOT:  …… And I didn't even notice Natalee from that beginning, from that (INAUDIBLE). I didn't even pay any attention to her. There was a friend of hers that was sitting next to me that said she'd lost — she'd lost $100 or $120 of her father's money, and she wanted to win it back. And I said, You know what? I'll help you. I'll help you try and win back your money. I'll tell you when to hit and when to stay. And that's what I did.

                      <snipped>

                      VAN SUSTEREN: Do you remember her name?

                      VAN DER SLOOT: I don't — I didn't remember it, but I remember it now because I heard it afterwards. I think her name was Kathleen.


                      Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                      Post by: greeneyedlady on May 10, 2007, 10:43:14 AM
                      Tamikosmom-
                      Is anyone using this as a signature line?"No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar" ... Abraham Lincoln
                      I know I've seen it before.If not,could I borrow it and use it?


                      Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                      Post by: mishy on May 10, 2007, 10:44:24 AM
                      Quote from: "IndyDan"
                      Quote from: "Peaches"
                      Quote from: "nonesuche"
                      Quote from: "Easywriter"
                      Anyone here feeling the pain for OJ tonight?  He got kicked out of a steakhouse and is trying to play the race card.  Bless his cold, cold heart…..


                      I am proud of this Jeff Ruby and proud he's in our country, one has to wonder why Aruba would so willingly allow the sporter and paulus as well as Anita and K2 to ramble about unfettered?  :roll:

                      OJ has to deflect the truth, it's his ingrained modus operandi...


                      I believe Mr. Ruby has a right to refuse service to anyone.  And somebody slap Yale Galanter!  This isn't about race.  It's about getting away with murder and then rubbing people's noses in it.  

                      Good morning.

                      Good Morning Yall!
                      Either this weekend or next, I’m driving down to Lancaster, KY to pick up some white cedar log furniture from Rocky Top Log Furniture for my screened porch.  To get there and back I have to drive thru Louisville.  I plan to stop by this restaurant to eat and shake this guys hand.


                      Good going Indy!!! I hear everyone in the restaurant gave him a standing O after he asked OJ to leave...


                      Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                      Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 10, 2007, 10:44:32 AM
                      Tamikosmom,

                      Is the date of On The Record/Greta quote correct?


                      Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                      Post by: Dayhiker on May 10, 2007, 10:46:08 AM
                      Quote from: "San"
                      Quote from: "Dayhiker"

                      Morning San and all. If I want and account of what Natalee was doing that weekend I won't get it from a self-admitted pathological liar. Read between the lines and all Joran is doing is trying to plant seeds of doubt. That's what liars and defense attorneys who handle liars do.


                      I agree.  But it is so unbelievable to read this crap that I have to laugh at him.  He went on that interview he did like he was Joe Cool.  He is a moron.



                      This is what you call trying to have it both ways. He wants everybody to think she was drunk as a goat, but wait til the part when she leaves the bar. Then he will change his tune because fingering her when she was impaired by alcohol is rape.

                      We saw him change his tune on that one already, as did his bucketmouth lawyer. According Joran the only time she wasn't drunk out of her mind was when she left the bar with him.


                      Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                      Post by: BTgirl on May 10, 2007, 10:46:16 AM
                      Joran Vandersloot has been allowed for his entire life to get away with whatever form of misbehavior in which he has chosen to indulge himself.

                      His parents are complete failures at parenting, and are now adding insult to injury by attempting to help him get away with murder.

                      Hmmppfffff!!!!!!! :evil:


                      Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                      Post by: Kimmy53 on May 10, 2007, 10:46:27 AM
                      Quote from: "San"
                      Quote from: "Dayhiker"
                      Quote from: "San"
                      Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                      Don't know if this has been posted yet,but I see Ramm has finished translating ch. 7 of Joran's book:

                      http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6913.0

                      Joran is truly a psycho.  He is giving a recap of what Natalee did on vacation.  What a bunch of bullshit.  He copied everything he has ever heard or read on the internet.

                        Joran's book:

                        - goes on with testimony of witness croupier Michael Cornes noting that Natalee drank full up rum with barely any coca cola and that she drank this all the nite while there. He also says that he had been told she would drink rum all day long.
                        [/list]

                        How the hell would this guy remember what Natalee drank.  He wasn't the one who got the drinks for her.  Did he taste her drink.  Notice how he says there was hardly any coca cola and it was full up run.



                        Morning San and all. If I want and account of what Natalee was doing that weekend I won't get it from a self-admitted pathological liar. Read between the lines and all Joran is doing is trying to plant seeds of doubt. That's what liars and defense attorneys who handle liars do.

                        I agree.  But it is so unbelievable to read this crap that I have to laugh at him.  He went on that interview he did like he was Joe Cool.  He is a moron.


                        That is what LIARS do, they add a bunch of bull sh** details to their stories - to try and make them more believable.

                        Joran the Moron. :lol:


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Rob on May 10, 2007, 10:48:15 AM
                        Quote from: "klaasend"
                        Quote from: "crazymom"
                        Hey Monkeys!  In for a drive-by.  I am going to W Plains, MO. tomorrow for a candlelight vigil in Remembrance of Jaycee Hardin.  I have been trying to organize it long distance and it has kept me busy and not being able to post.

                        If you have the chance please light a candle for Jaycee at http://tinyurl.com/2a7u29 .

                        Thanks to Klaas for helping with the t-shirt design.  Did ya'll know Klaas rocks?

                        Klaas can you post tomorrow night to light candles for Jaycee?  TIA.  I hope to be back on Friday!  Maybe I won't get thrown in jail! Ha! Ha!

                        Peace to all you monkey friends!


                        I'm going to count on EVERYONE to remind me!


                        REMINDER


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 10:48:49 AM
                        Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
                        Quote from: "San"
                        I have to laugh when I read this:

                        - then talks about Ruth having lost money and wanting to win it back at the black jack table. Natalee did not play black jack, she was walking between her friends and talking constantly on a cellphone. At 20.40 hours Natalee starts drinking a vodka Mixer.

                        What happened to he won Natalee money back for her and she called him her lucky charm :roll: .

                        Again he says Natalle is drinking and he gives exact times and knows what she is drinking.

                        So far we have two different drinks he names.


                        No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar ... Abraham Lincoln

                        First it is Natalee ... then it is Kathleen and now ... it is Ruth.


                        Charles Croes
                        On the Record w/ Greta
                        June 30, 2005


                        VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say?

                        C. CROES: He said that he had been gambling and that he met Natalee. And Natalee told him that she had lost some money and was trying to recuperate it before she went home. And he apparently was a good poker player, or blackjack player, whatever it is, and that he helped her recoup some of her monies, and gave it back to her. And she then considered him her lucky charm.


                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        On the Record w/ Greta
                        March 1, 2005


                        VAN DER SLOOT:  …… And I didn't even notice Natalee from that beginning, from that (INAUDIBLE). I didn't even pay any attention to her. There was a friend of hers that was sitting next to me that said she'd lost — she'd lost $100 or $120 of her father's money, and she wanted to win it back. And I said, You know what? I'll help you. I'll help you try and win back your money. I'll tell you when to hit and when to stay. And that's what I did.

                        <snipped>

                        VAN SUSTEREN: Do you remember her name?

                        VAN DER SLOOT: I don't — I didn't remember it, but I remember it now because I heard it afterwards. I think her name was Kathleen.


                        Thanks Tamikosmom.

                        Greta owes the world to read a translation of his book and compare it to her interview.  She won't because she is probably embarrassed to death for what she said.

                        I bet even Joe Tacopina is embarrassed that he represented a psycho like this but he will never admit to it.  MONEY IS THE CURE FOR THE EVIL THAT TACOPINA REPRESENTED.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Anna on May 10, 2007, 10:49:20 AM
                        Quote from: "San"
                        I have to laugh when I read this:

                        - then talks about Ruth having lost money and wanting to win it back at the black jack table. Natalee did not play black jack, she was walking between her friends and talking constantly on a cellphone. At 20.40 hours Natalee starts drinking a vodka Mixer.

                        What happened to he won Natalee money back for her and she called him her lucky charm :roll: .

                        Again he says Natalee is drinking and he gives exact times and knows what she is drinking.

                        So far we have two different drinks he names.



                        Good Morning, Monkeys.

                        Busy day here so will be working and lurking, mostly lurking but I had to comment that we see a WATER BOTTLE in front of Natalee for most of that video.

                        Joran must have remembered that suddenly and so he changed to a clear drink.  I guess he expects us to believe Natalee poured vodka into her plastic water bottle.

                        I know she had drinks but not all kids just go wild when exposed to booze.  Mine are of age now and can do as they please.  I drink socially and do NOT think it is morally wrong.  I have never told them it was wrong, bad for them or anything really negative about drinking.  One of mine drinks socially and two are tee totalers or whatever you call people who will not touch alcohol.  I wish the middle one WOULD so he might loosen up and stop with that vegan crap all the time!

                        Sporter forgets we saw the video and those girls were behaving perfectly. Odd for someone so drunk. It was his own father hitting on those girls not the other way around.   And if Natalee was on a cell phone, it was so brief we are not even sure if she is talking or pushing back her hair!

                        Joran did tell the truth once in that interview and that was when he said he lies all the time and is still lying today because he is a liar.

                        .

                        .


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Tamikosmom on May 10, 2007, 10:49:47 AM
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Tamikosmom-
                        Is anyone using this as a signature line?"No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar" ... Abraham Lincoln
                        I know I've seen it before.If not,could I borrow it and use it?


                        Go for it!


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 10:50:11 AM
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Tamikosmom-
                        Is anyone using this as a signature line?"No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar" ... Abraham Lincoln
                        I know I've seen it before.If not,could I borrow it and use it?

                        That is a good line GEL.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Rob on May 10, 2007, 10:50:26 AM
                        Quote from: "Dayhiker"
                        Quote from: "San"
                        Quote from: "Dayhiker"

                        Morning San and all. If I want and account of what Natalee was doing that weekend I won't get it from a self-admitted pathological liar. Read between the lines and all Joran is doing is trying to plant seeds of doubt. That's what liars and defense attorneys who handle liars do.


                        I agree.  But it is so unbelievable to read this crap that I have to laugh at him.  He went on that interview he did like he was Joe Cool.  He is a moron.



                        This is what you call trying to have it both ways. He wants everybody to think she was drunk as a goat, but wait til the part when she leaves the bar. Then he will change his tune because fingering her when she was impaired by alcohol is rape.

                        We saw him change his tune on that one already, as did his bucketmouth lawyer. According Joran the only time she wasn't drunk out of her mind was when she left the bar with him.


                        Dayhiker- Joran looks like a flaccid douche bag to me.

                        Sorry to insult douche bags.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: BTgirl on May 10, 2007, 10:51:12 AM
                        Quote from: "Rob"

                        Dayhiker- Joran looks like a flaccid douche bag to me.

                        Sorry to insult douche bags.


                         :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2007, 10:51:44 AM
                        (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/threadlock.jpg)


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 10:52:09 AM
                        Quote from: "Dayhiker"
                        Quote from: "San"
                        Quote from: "Dayhiker"

                        Morning San and all. If I want and account of what Natalee was doing that weekend I won't get it from a self-admitted pathological liar. Read between the lines and all Joran is doing is trying to plant seeds of doubt. That's what liars and defense attorneys who handle liars do.


                        I agree.  But it is so unbelievable to read this crap that I have to laugh at him.  He went on that interview he did like he was Joe Cool.  He is a moron.



                        This is what you call trying to have it both ways. He wants everybody to think she was drunk as a goat, but wait til the part when she leaves the bar. Then he will change his tune because fingering her when she was impaired by alcohol is rape.

                        We saw him change his tune on that one already, as did his bucketmouth lawyer. According Joran the only time she wasn't drunk out of her mind was when she left the bar with him.

                        Exactly.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Tamikosmom on May 10, 2007, 10:52:47 AM
                        Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
                        Tamikosmom,

                        Is the date of On The Record/Greta quote correct?


                        It should be 2006 ...


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Rob on May 10, 2007, 10:53:49 AM
                        Quote from: "BTgirl"
                        Quote from: "Rob"

                        Dayhiker- Joran looks like a flaccid douche bag to me.

                        Sorry to insult douche bags.


                         :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


                        That was the cleaned up version BT.  :lol:


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Peaches on May 10, 2007, 10:54:12 AM
                        Quote from: "BTgirl"
                        Quote from: "Rob"

                        Dayhiker- Joran looks like a flaccid douche bag to me.

                        Sorry to insult douche bags.


                         :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


                        Brings to mind a bumper sticker I saw the other day.

                        John (flag here) Kerry
                        What a douche


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: greeneyedlady on May 10, 2007, 10:54:27 AM
                        Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Tamikosmom-
                        Is anyone using this as a signature line?"No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar" ... Abraham Lincoln
                        I know I've seen it before.If not,could I borrow it and use it?


                        Go for it!


                        Thanks and BTW-I love your posts,they always have the information I seem to be looking for st the time.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Anna on May 10, 2007, 10:54:45 AM
                        Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Tamikosmom-
                        Is anyone using this as a signature line?"No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar" ... Abraham Lincoln
                        I know I've seen it before.If not,could I borrow it and use it?


                        Go for it!


                        Yep, you can have anything in your sig line and we change them all the time.  It's OK if two have the same one, etc.  Just so it isn't obscene or hate message or something like that.

                        .


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Easywriter on May 10, 2007, 10:55:48 AM
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Easy-I still haven't got an answer for who Andre(s) Meneses is...this is what I got so far:
                        MF wrote:
                        Wow, finally someone noticed that there were a lot of other persons interrogated/interviewed by the ALE and not one but many times. That the HMI only used selected parts of mistranslated PV's says a lot.

                        GEL wrote:
                        Do you know who this person is and why he was questioned so many times?

                        Charlierat wrote:
                        What's the matter? Your MonKKKey sources run dry? I couldn't help but notice that the topic of discussion over at the Klan site is the significance of Meneses' detention.

                        I guess since Jossy doesn't know, you expect MF to fill in the blanks for you.


                        They obviously do not know their heads from their a$$holes, but thanks for giving it a shot.

                        None of those people have a real interest in the case of Natalee Holloway, they just want to bash someone, anyone.


                        Yes that's true.Maybe they would answer if someone else that was liked over there asked..lol..I'm not very well liked there.Here's a post from frazerclan,didn't know I was part of a band. :lol:

                        frazerclan wrote:
                        Introducing that hot new band, The Derailers:

                        1. Doc
                        2. Awabbi
                        3. all10suspects
                        4. Libster
                        5. Wildcat
                        6. plhtx1
                        7. Chillin
                        8. Gel
                        9. Kimmy27
                        10. Janee
                        11. Dragon
                        12. Trixie

                        plus, we are taking nominations........


                        If that is their chit list then it isn't a bad list to be on. lol  Some of those people at RU and FOB are crazier than Joran!  :shock:


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Dayhiker on May 10, 2007, 10:56:18 AM
                        Quote from: "Rob"


                        Dayhiker- Joran looks like a flaccid douche bag to me.

                        Sorry to insult douche bags.


                         :smt082  :smt082  :smt082  :smt082


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Rob on May 10, 2007, 10:56:32 AM
                        Quote from: "Peaches"
                        Quote from: "BTgirl"
                        Quote from: "Rob"

                        Dayhiker- Joran looks like a flaccid douche bag to me.

                        Sorry to insult douche bags.


                         :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


                        Brings to mind a bumper sticker I saw the other day.

                        John (flag here) Kerry
                        What a douche


                        (http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/JohnKerryMuntser1.jpg)


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 10:57:33 AM
                        Quote from: "Anna"
                        Quote from: "San"
                        I have to laugh when I read this:

                        - then talks about Ruth having lost money and wanting to win it back at the black jack table. Natalee did not play black jack, she was walking between her friends and talking constantly on a cellphone. At 20.40 hours Natalee starts drinking a vodka Mixer.

                        What happened to he won Natalee money back for her and she called him her lucky charm :roll: .

                        Again he says Natalee is drinking and he gives exact times and knows what she is drinking.

                        So far we have two different drinks he names.



                        Good Morning, Monkeys.

                        Busy day here so will be working and lurking, mostly lurking but I had to comment that we see a WATER BOTTLE in front of Natalee for most of that video.

                        Joran must have remembered that suddenly and so he changed to a clear drink.  I guess he expects us to believe Natalee poured vodka into her plastic water bottle.

                        I know she had drinks but not all kids just go wild when exposed to booze.  Mine are of age now and can do as they please.  I drink socially and do NOT think it is morally wrong.  I have never told them it was wrong, bad for them or anything really negative about drinking.  One of mine drinks socially and two are tee totalers or whatever you call people who will not touch alcohol.  I wish the middle one WOULD so he might loosen up and stop with that vegan crap all the time!

                        Sporter forgets we saw the video and those girls were behaving perfectly. Odd for someone so drunk. It was his own father hitting on those girls not the other way around.   And if Natalee was on a cell phone, it was so brief we are not even sure if she is talking or pushing back her hair!

                        Joran did tell the truth once in that interview and that was when he said he lies all the time and is still lying today because he is a liar.

                        .

                        .

                        You're right Anna it was Paulus the perve hitting on young kids.

                        Joran knows the drinks but forgot his father was sitting at the table. :roll:


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: greeneyedlady on May 10, 2007, 10:57:48 AM
                        Quote from: "San"
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Tamikosmom-
                        Is anyone using this as a signature line?"No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar" ... Abraham Lincoln
                        I know I've seen it before.If not,could I borrow it and use it?

                        That is a good line GEL.


                        It certainly is,San.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: greeneyedlady on May 10, 2007, 10:59:16 AM
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Easy-I still haven't got an answer for who Andre(s) Meneses is...this is what I got so far:
                        MF wrote:
                        Wow, finally someone noticed that there were a lot of other persons interrogated/interviewed by the ALE and not one but many times. That the HMI only used selected parts of mistranslated PV's says a lot.

                        GEL wrote:
                        Do you know who this person is and why he was questioned so many times?

                        Charlierat wrote:
                        What's the matter? Your MonKKKey sources run dry? I couldn't help but notice that the topic of discussion over at the Klan site is the significance of Meneses' detention.

                        I guess since Jossy doesn't know, you expect MF to fill in the blanks for you.


                        They obviously do not know their heads from their a$$holes, but thanks for giving it a shot.

                        None of those people have a real interest in the case of Natalee Holloway, they just want to bash someone, anyone.


                        Yes that's true.Maybe they would answer if someone else that was liked over there asked..lol..I'm not very well liked there.Here's a post from frazerclan,didn't know I was part of a band. :lol:

                        frazerclan wrote:
                        Introducing that hot new band, The Derailers:

                        1. Doc
                        2. Awabbi
                        3. all10suspects
                        4. Libster
                        5. Wildcat
                        6. plhtx1
                        7. Chillin
                        8. Gel
                        9. Kimmy27
                        10. Janee
                        11. Dragon
                        12. Trixie

                        plus, we are taking nominations........


                        If that is their chit list then it isn't a bad list to be on. lol  Some of those people at RU and FOB are crazier than Joran!  :shock:


                         :D  :lol:


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 10:59:31 AM
                        Quote from: "Anna"
                        Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Tamikosmom-
                        Is anyone using this as a signature line?"No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar" ... Abraham Lincoln
                        I know I've seen it before.If not,could I borrow it and use it?


                        Go for it!


                        Yep, you can have anything in your sig line and we change them all the time.  It's OK if two have the same one, etc.  Just so it isn't obscene or hate message or something like that.

                        .

                        But if it is hate towards the Sloots it's OK :lol:


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Dayhiker on May 10, 2007, 11:00:12 AM
                        Quote from: "Anna"

                        Sporter forgets we saw the video and those girls were behaving perfectly. Odd for someone so drunk.  



                        Yep. Hardly the drunk girl Joran makes her out to be. Sitting on a stool behaving herself drinking water, not even gambling like the rest of them.

                        Joran is so FOS it's coming out his ears.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Anna on May 10, 2007, 11:01:57 AM
                        Quote from: "San"
                        Quote from: "robots"
                        Quote from: "San"
                        Quote from: "robots"
                        Quote from: "Kimmy53"
                        robots:  holy moses smell the roses...ROFLMAO!!!!!!  I haven't heard that in a long time....  You make me laff and laff.


                        yea, thats a good one

                        aint it  :twisted:

                        im even laughing over here myself  8)

                        going to be 83 here today
                        im glad paulus the SWEAT HOG aint around here

                        he is disgusting

                        He is disgusting robots.


                        he really is, not to mention just the sweaty stuff
                        but the inside of him is HORRIBLE

                        imagine, to TOP IT all,, he probably encouraged joran to write the piece of trash, garbage, cesspool paper item they call a book

                        it is incredulous  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x

                        Exactly robots.  Paulus had the power to say no.  But instead he encouraged him to write this POS book and he hurt even more people.  Look what he said about the girls on Aruba.  He called the boycott silly and he didn't care.  He brings everyone down in this book.  I BLAME PAULUS AND PAULUS WAS PROBABLY GETTING HIS THRILLS BY THIS.


                        That's why I'm here too.  The vdSloots just can't resist rubbing people's noses in it as did the ALE to Dave Holloway.  Telling him to go to C&C but watch his drink?  I'd have gone to jail for what I would have done to somebody saying that to me with my child missing from that cesspool they call a bar.

                        The gloating of Joran like in that Greta interview and every interview I have ever seen him to just adds fuel to the fire and now this book is just too much, trying to make money off what they did.

                        The more they gloat and show their greed, the more determined I become.

                        .


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: JusticeforNatalee on May 10, 2007, 11:03:30 AM
                        Interesting FP comment about X-Plane:

                        "...Another site ‘someone’ went to that night –and seemingly stayed on for about a half an hour- was x-plane.com. This is interesting to me because x-plane is a flight simulator thing which more importantly offers accurate maps of just about anywhere on earth…even oceans where coordinates are given. Wind currents and such are given too, just as if you were really planning a flight, so checking currents to see where the proper place might be to drop a body in the ocean so it would not wash back to shore would be something a person might use this site for.
                        Joran mentioned in his book that he wanted to be a pilot when he was young. So it makes sense that he would have interest and knowledge of flight planning etc. As my own son is a pilot, I have some familiarity with flight planning and one thing I want to point out is that the date is important…wind currents change by day and projected weather conditions need to be considered so if Joran – or someone- were using x-plane to check on wind currents to find a suitable place to dump a body in the ocean without fear of it returning to shore, it would not necessarily have to be the day Natalee went missing or days shortly after. It could have been any time things worked out to when the currents were right in a particular area.
                        That said, I don’t think Joran is focused enough to keep all the cards in play enough to actually figure out and execute a safe ocean dropping. However, a more experienced pilot might certainly be more confident. So I’d ask, whom did Joran or PVDS know that had a plane/helicopter/or could have rented one for an outing in the days/weeks/or even months after Natalee went missing?
                        While I not sure if the x-plane site bothers with daily changes or just uses standards, getting a general idea of currents would be a good place to begin, thereafter a real pilot might check for a good day to make a drop.

                        Comment by disgustedmom | May 10, 2007, 10:45 am


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Rob on May 10, 2007, 11:03:58 AM
                        Guys- that letter from Paulus to Joran about his case being continued after the Judge rejects the request to remove Joran from suspect status says it all...

                        The 'drinking, gambling, whoremongering' father of the psycho rapist says at the end ~ Regards Paul.

                        What kind of father signs a letter to his son Regards and not LOVE?

                        What kind of father signs a letter to his son Paul and not DAD?

                        This is a major key into the psyche of Paulus.

                        They spit in the face off Justice and it PISSES me OFF BIGTIME!!!!!

                        I'd love to give Karma directions to Montanja 19... as it has obviously been having a hard time locating that dump.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: greeneyedlady on May 10, 2007, 11:06:51 AM
                        Quote from: "San"
                        Quote from: "Anna"
                        Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Tamikosmom-
                        Is anyone using this as a signature line?"No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar" ... Abraham Lincoln
                        I know I've seen it before.If not,could I borrow it and use it?


                        Go for it!


                        Yep, you can have anything in your sig line and we change them all the time.  It's OK if two have the same one, etc.  Just so it isn't obscene or hate message or something like that.

                        .

                        But if it is hate towards the Sloots it's OK :lol:


                        Thanks,Anna.

                        San-you wouldn't have any hate for the Sloots now,would ya? :shock:  :lol:


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Tamikosmom on May 10, 2007, 11:07:38 AM
                        No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar ... Abraham Lincoln


                        SEPTEMBER 26, 2005

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        A CURRENT AFFAIR


                        Joran van der Sloot: She told me a lot of things. One thing she told me was that her mother was Hitler’s sister's daughter. I don’t know what she was talking, a lot of strange things. She told me she wanted to go to the light house and see sharks, which we never went to. But, I don’t know, she talked a lot of things. Obviously, she was drunk. I had stuff to drink too.


                        JANUARY 2, 2006

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        VANITY FAIR


                        Bryan Burrough:  Under questioning, however, Joran did change his story. Instead of leaving Natalee at the Holiday Inn, he now said, the Kalpoes had dropped him and Natalee off at the beach beside the Marriott, a half-mile north of the Holiday Inn; the area is a lovers' lane of sorts. He said Natalee was so drunk she was drifting in and out of consciousness. Joran said he left her at the beach and walked home.


                        MARCH 1, 2006

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        On the Record w/ Greta


                        VAN SUSTEREN: Is there a way to describe her, I mean, and whether she seemed or appeared to be, you know, drinking? Did she seem to be drunk?

                        VAN DER SLOOT: Oh... she'd been drinking, but she wasn't drunk. I mean, she knew what she was doing.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Anna on May 10, 2007, 11:08:46 AM
                        GEL,
                        I mean something like a racial or ethnic hate message against other human beings.

                        Sloots don't qualify as that.

                        . :D


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 11:10:59 AM
                        Quote from: "Anna"
                        GEL,
                        I mean something like a racial or ethnic hate message against other human beings.

                        Sloots don't qualify as that.

                        . :D

                        Right Anna.  The Sloots aren't human they are evil :evil: .


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: JusticeforNatalee on May 10, 2007, 11:11:25 AM
                        Art Wood stated that someone on the inside has to talk in order for Natalee's case to be solved.

                        Well, no one is going to talk unless he/she feels PRESSURE.

                        I am stunned that NO charges have been filed. I think that any charges, whether related to Natalee's case or not, would get some tongues flapping.

                        How hard could it be to get Steve Croes talking if he knew that he would be headed to jail for either lying as a witness in Natalee's case or for some unrelated drug charge?


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Anna on May 10, 2007, 11:13:13 AM
                        So if Natalee wasn't drunk when she left with Joran, what is the point in discussing her drinking history, Joran?  Obviously, just to smear and denigrate.

                        When he told that Lucky Charms story about winning back money for Natalee, how did he know she wouldn't pop up and contradict him on the spot?  Same for all those nutty things he claimed she said?  How was he so confident his lies were not going to be refuted by an angry Natalee?  He knew because he knew what he did to her and that she was never going to reappear.  He knew this the first night when Beth arrived.

                        Joran himself was the one who was drunk when he said all that, not realizing it would haunt him the rest of his days.

                        JMO

                        .


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: greeneyedlady on May 10, 2007, 11:14:51 AM
                        Quote from: "Anna"
                        GEL,
                        I mean something like a racial or ethnic hate message against other human beings.

                        Sloots don't qualify as that.

                        . :D


                         :D  :lol:


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: IndyDan on May 10, 2007, 11:17:37 AM
                        Quote from: "Kimmy53"
                        Quote from: "IndyDan"
                        Quote from: "Peaches"
                        Quote from: "nonesuche"
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        Anyone here feeling the pain for OJ tonight?  He got kicked out of a steakhouse and is trying to play the race card.  Bless his cold, cold heart…..


                        I am proud of this Jeff Ruby and proud he's in our country, one has to wonder why Aruba would so willingly allow the sporter and paulus as well as Anita and K2 to ramble about unfettered?  :roll:

                        OJ has to deflect the truth, it's his ingrained modus operandi...


                        I believe Mr. Ruby has a right to refuse service to anyone.  And somebody slap Yale Galanter!  This isn't about race.  It's about getting away with murder and then rubbing people's noses in it.  

                        Good morning.

                        Good Morning Yall!
                        Either this weekend or next, I’m driving down to Lancaster, KY to pick up some white cedar log furniture from Rocky Top Log Furniture for my screened porch.  To get there and back I have to drive thru Louisville.  I plan to stop by this restaurant to eat and shake this guys hand.


                        I'm telling you - I CHEER this fellow too.  It is all to often people are afraid to stand up for what they believe in this politically correct world.   Tell him us monkeys applaud him for his stance!!!!

                        Great idea Kimmy, I will do that.  I'll give him the link to Monkeys.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Dayhiker on May 10, 2007, 11:19:21 AM
                        Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
                        No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar ... Abraham Lincoln


                        SEPTEMBER 26, 2005

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        A CURRENT AFFAIR


                        Joran van der Sloot: She told me a lot of things. One thing she told me was that her mother was Hitler’s sister's daughter. I don’t know what she was talking, a lot of strange things. She told me she wanted to go to the light house and see sharks, which we never went to. But, I don’t know, she talked a lot of things. Obviously, she was drunk. I had stuff to drink too.


                        JANUARY 2, 2006

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        VANITY FAIR


                        Bryan Burrough:  Under questioning, however, Joran did change his story. Instead of leaving Natalee at the Holiday Inn, he now said, the Kalpoes had dropped him and Natalee off at the beach beside the Marriott, a half-mile north of the Holiday Inn; the area is a lovers' lane of sorts. He said Natalee was so drunk she was drifting in and out of consciousness. Joran said he left her at the beach and walked home.


                        MARCH 1, 2006

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        On the Record w/ Greta


                        VAN SUSTEREN: Is there a way to describe her, I mean, and whether she seemed or appeared to be, you know, drinking? Did she seem to be drunk?

                        VAN DER SLOOT: Oh... she'd been drinking, but she wasn't drunk. I mean, she knew what she was doing.



                        There you have it Janet. His story changed when he found out he could be charged with rape, as did Tacopina's.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 10, 2007, 11:21:14 AM
                        Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
                        No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar ... Abraham Lincoln


                        SEPTEMBER 26, 2005

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        A CURRENT AFFAIR


                        Joran van der Sloot: She told me a lot of things. One thing she told me was that her mother was Hitler’s sister's daughter. I don’t know what she was talking, a lot of strange things. She told me she wanted to go to the light house and see sharks, which we never went to. But, I don’t know, she talked a lot of things. Obviously, she was drunk. I had stuff to drink too.


                        JANUARY 2, 2006

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        VANITY FAIR


                        Bryan Burrough:  Under questioning, however, Joran did change his story. Instead of leaving Natalee at the Holiday Inn, he now said, the Kalpoes had dropped him and Natalee off at the beach beside the Marriott, a half-mile north of the Holiday Inn; the area is a lovers' lane of sorts. He said Natalee was so drunk she was drifting in and out of consciousness. Joran said he left her at the beach and walked home.


                        MARCH 1, 2006

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        On the Record w/ Greta


                        VAN SUSTEREN: Is there a way to describe her, I mean, and whether she seemed or appeared to be, you know, drinking? Did she seem to be drunk?

                        VAN DER SLOOT: Oh... she'd been drinking, but she wasn't drunk. I mean, she knew what she was doing.


                        Ah, in September, 05, he says they both had been drinking & she was drunk...January, 06 comment 'in and out of consciousness'..he left her...March, 06...She wasn't drunk & knew what she was doing.... :roll:  :roll:  :evil:

                        Janet, you are amazing.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: IndyDan on May 10, 2007, 11:23:34 AM
                        Quote from: Rob
                        Quote from: Dayhiker
                        Quote from: San
                        Quote from: "Dayhiker"


                        Dayhiker- Joran looks like a flaccid douche bag to me.

                        Sorry to insult douche bags.

                        LMAO!!


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Tamikosmom on May 10, 2007, 11:30:11 AM
                        Quote from: "Dayhiker"
                        Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
                        No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar ... Abraham Lincoln


                        SEPTEMBER 26, 2005

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        A CURRENT AFFAIR


                        Joran van der Sloot: She told me a lot of things. One thing she told me was that her mother was Hitler’s sister's daughter. I don’t know what she was talking, a lot of strange things. She told me she wanted to go to the light house and see sharks, which we never went to. But, I don’t know, she talked a lot of things. Obviously, she was drunk. I had stuff to drink too.


                        JANUARY 2, 2006

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        VANITY FAIR


                        Bryan Burrough:  Under questioning, however, Joran did change his story. Instead of leaving Natalee at the Holiday Inn, he now said, the Kalpoes had dropped him and Natalee off at the beach beside the Marriott, a half-mile north of the Holiday Inn; the area is a lovers' lane of sorts. He said Natalee was so drunk she was drifting in and out of consciousness. Joran said he left her at the beach and walked home.


                        MARCH 1, 2006

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        On the Record w/ Greta


                        VAN SUSTEREN: Is there a way to describe her, I mean, and whether she seemed or appeared to be, you know, drinking? Did she seem to be drunk?

                        VAN DER SLOOT: Oh... she'd been drinking, but she wasn't drunk. I mean, she knew what she was doing.



                        There you have it Janet. His story changed when he found out he could be charged with rape, as did Tacopina's.



                        Joe Tacopina and Joran Van der Sloot have to get their stories straight.  On March 1, 2006 ... Joran conveys to Greta that Natalee was not drunk.  However ... on March 5, 2006 ... Tacopina publicly states on the LINEUP that Natalee was "over the top" intoxicated.

                        Janet


                        MARCH 5, 2006

                        Joe TacopinA
                        LINEUP

                        JOE TACOPINA, JORAN’S ATTORNEY: ... Listen to the witnesses,  She was over the top intoxicated.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Dayhiker on May 10, 2007, 11:33:07 AM
                        Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
                        Quote from: "Tamikosmom"

                        VAN SUSTEREN: Is there a way to describe her, I mean, and whether she seemed or appeared to be, you know, drinking? Did she seem to be drunk?

                        VAN DER SLOOT: Oh... she'd been drinking, but she wasn't drunk. I mean, she knew what she was doing.


                        Ah, in September, 05, he says they both had been drinking & she was drunk...January, 06 comment 'in and out of consciousness'..he left her...March, 06...She wasn't drunk & knew what she was doing.... :roll:  :roll:  :evil:

                        Janet, you are amazing.



                        Dompig says he has a statement where Joran says she was going in and out of consciousness. Joran says she was mildly drunk. So it must have been the drugs they gave put in her drink at Carlos & Charlies that made her go in and out of conciousness.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Dayhiker on May 10, 2007, 11:35:52 AM
                        Quote from: "Tamikosmom"


                        Joe Tacopina and Joran Van der Sloot have to get their stories straight.  On March 1, 2006 ... Joran conveys to Greta that Natalee was not drunk.  However ... on March 5, 2006 ... Tacopina publicly states on the LINEUP that Natalee was "over the top" intoxicated.

                        Janet

                        MARCH 5, 2006

                        Joe TacopinA
                        LINEUP

                        JOE TACOPINA, JORAN’S ATTORNEY: ... Listen to the witnesses,  She was over the top intoxicated.



                        What changed Joe Tacopina's mind? Did he find out Joran could be charged with rape for fingering her while she was incapacitated?


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Tylergal on May 10, 2007, 11:44:35 AM
                        Quote from: "San"
                        I was speaking to one of my favorite monkeys on line and she said something that I agreed with about what Art Wood said last night.  She said when Art said that at least 5 people know what happened she thinks he was excluding the suspects.  We automatically thought of the prime suspects.  I don't think that is the case and she is right.


                        Posner; Freddy; Anita; Guido; Melody.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Tylergal on May 10, 2007, 11:45:18 AM
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        Quote from: "Peaches"
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        Something about that accident video made me think of Brother Dave Gardner’s Motorcycle Story.  Anyone remember that one? lol lol


                        Yes.  

                        I thought I was the only one who ever listened to Brother Dave.


                        Brother Dave was hilarious.  I had a couple of first cousins that were about 8-10 years older than me and they had all of his records.  I would listen to those things over and over.  I need to find a copy of some of those.

                        ".... Miss Baby wuz jus fine 'til we turned her head around."  lol lol


                        Saw Brother Dave and Moms Mabley in Vegas.  I am telling how old I am, right?


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Tylergal on May 10, 2007, 11:50:37 AM
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Easy-I still haven't got an answer for who Andre(s) Meneses is...this is what I got so far:
                        MF wrote:
                        Wow, finally someone noticed that there were a lot of other persons interrogated/interviewed by the ALE and not one but many times. That the HMI only used selected parts of mistranslated PV's says a lot.

                        GEL wrote:
                        Do you know who this person is and why he was questioned so many times?

                        Charlierat wrote:
                        What's the matter? Your MonKKKey sources run dry? I couldn't help but notice that the topic of discussion over at the Klan site is the significance of Meneses' detention.

                        I guess since Jossy doesn't know, you expect MF to fill in the blanks for you.


                        I still think MF is the one who did the cement pond job at the Sloot murder compound.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Easywriter on May 10, 2007, 11:53:14 AM
                        For some reason I have been craving a nice, thick steak all morning.....   8)


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: greeneyedlady on May 10, 2007, 11:53:49 AM
                        Quote from: "Tylergal"
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Easy-I still haven't got an answer for who Andre(s) Meneses is...this is what I got so far:
                        MF wrote:
                        Wow, finally someone noticed that there were a lot of other persons interrogated/interviewed by the ALE and not one but many times. That the HMI only used selected parts of mistranslated PV's says a lot.

                        GEL wrote:
                        Do you know who this person is and why he was questioned so many times?

                        Charlierat wrote:
                        What's the matter? Your MonKKKey sources run dry? I couldn't help but notice that the topic of discussion over at the Klan site is the significance of Meneses' detention.

                        I guess since Jossy doesn't know, you expect MF to fill in the blanks for you.


                        I still think MF is the one who did the cement pond job at the Sloot murder compound.


                         :lol:


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Tamikosmom on May 10, 2007, 11:54:53 AM
                        Quote from: "Anna"
                        So if Natalee wasn't drunk when she left with Joran, what is the point in discussing her drinking history, Joran?  Obviously, just to smear and denigrate.

                        <snipped>



                        Right on Anna!!

                        From day one there has been an Aruban agenda to erect smokescreen to discredit Natalee Holloway and Beth Twitty.

                        Think about it ... if it had not been for the voice of Beth Twitty ... the disappearance of Natalee Holloway would have faded from media attention very quickly and ... Aruba could have closed the case without any justification.

                        It took Dave Holloway a while to "get it" but ... he finally came around.

                        Janet


                        APRIL 11, 2006

                        Dave Holloway
                        On the Record w/ Greta

                        VAN SUSTEREN: Did the media help or hurt you?

                        HOLLOWAY: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2007, 12:01:49 PM
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        For some reason I have been craving a nice, thick steak all morning.....   8)

                        Had a BBQ'd porterhouse last night  :wink:


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Easywriter on May 10, 2007, 12:06:03 PM
                        Quote from: "klaasend"
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        For some reason I have been craving a nice, thick steak all morning.....   8)

                        Had a BBQ'd porterhouse last night  :wink:


                        Yum!  I have not had a real steak in a while.  I checked out Jeff Ruby's Steak House and I am thinking it might require a second mortgage just to pay the dinner bill. lol

                        Is Ruth's Chris national, or regional?  I'm thinking the menu prices are probably comparable to Ruby's place.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2007, 12:08:45 PM
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        Quote from: "klaasend"
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        For some reason I have been craving a nice, thick steak all morning.....   8)

                        Had a BBQ'd porterhouse last night  :wink:


                        Yum!  I have not had a real steak in a while.  I checked out Jeff Ruby's Steak House and I am thinking it might require a second mortgage just to pay the dinner bill. lol

                        Is Ruth's Chris national, or regional?  I'm thinking the menu prices are probably comparable to Ruby's place.

                        Ruth Chris is national I believe


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: crazybabyborg on May 10, 2007, 12:09:26 PM
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        Quote from: "klaasend"
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        For some reason I have been craving a nice, thick steak all morning.....   8)

                        Had a BBQ'd porterhouse last night  :wink:


                        Yum!  I have not had a real steak in a while.  I checked out Jeff Ruby's Steak House and I am thinking it might require a second mortgage just to pay the dinner bill. lol

                        Is Ruth's Chris national, or regional?  I'm thinking the menu prices are probably comparable to Ruby's place.


                        Ruth Chris is national, and yeah, pricey but wonderful! Ruby's has hit my "Must Go" list whenever I have the chance!


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Easywriter on May 10, 2007, 12:11:02 PM
                        Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        Quote from: "klaasend"
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        For some reason I have been craving a nice, thick steak all morning.....   8)

                        Had a BBQ'd porterhouse last night  :wink:


                        Yum!  I have not had a real steak in a while.  I checked out Jeff Ruby's Steak House and I am thinking it might require a second mortgage just to pay the dinner bill. lol

                        Is Ruth's Chris national, or regional?  I'm thinking the menu prices are probably comparable to Ruby's place.


                        Ruth Chris is national, and yeah, pricey but wonderful! Ruby's has hit my "Must Go" list whenever I have the chance!


                        It is kind of a turn on when they bring that steak out and it is sizzlin' and poppin' and still dancin' on the plate! lol


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: crazybabyborg on May 10, 2007, 12:14:41 PM
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        Quote from: "klaasend"
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        For some reason I have been craving a nice, thick steak all morning.....   8)

                        Had a BBQ'd porterhouse last night  :wink:


                        Yum!  I have not had a real steak in a while.  I checked out Jeff Ruby's Steak House and I am thinking it might require a second mortgage just to pay the dinner bill. lol

                        Is Ruth's Chris national, or regional?  I'm thinking the menu prices are probably comparable to Ruby's place.


                        Ruth Chris is national, and yeah, pricey but wonderful! Ruby's has hit my "Must Go" list whenever I have the chance!


                        It is kind of a turn on when they bring that steak out and it is sizzlin' and poppin' and still dancin' on the plate! lol


                        Hear it here,,,,,,  :lol:
                        http://www.ruthschris.com/steak/steak.html


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 12:14:43 PM
                        Quote from: "Anna"

                        That's why I'm here too.  The vdSloots just can't resist rubbing people's noses in it as did the ALE to Dave Holloway.  Telling him to go to C&C but watch his drink?  I'd have gone to jail for what I would have done to somebody saying that to me with my child missing from that cesspool they call a bar.

                        The gloating of Joran like in that Greta interview and every interview I have ever seen him to just adds fuel to the fire and now this book is just too much, trying to make money off what they did.

                        The more they gloat and show their greed, the more determined I become.
                        .


                        Anna, I only have so much room in my signature line for all these quotes. :lol:

                        I would be in jail for what they said about my child.  Especially that fat pig Dennis Jacobs.  I hope he drops dead choking on his frosted flakes because you know no one wants to do mouth to mouth on him.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: sirensong on May 10, 2007, 12:17:28 PM
                        I just read that chapter 7 summary.  I am so disgusted.  Don't we all know that when a perpetrator trashes his victim, of course he is guilty.  Why is this POS still walking free and making money off his murder.  His mother was even there to "help" him with his book.  I get soooo mad when I read his crap.  UNbelievable :evil:


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: WidgetTheMidget on May 10, 2007, 12:25:26 PM
                        Quote from: "Rob"
                        Guys- that letter from Paulus to Joran about his case being continued after the Judge rejects the request to remove Joran from suspect status says it all...

                        The 'drinking, gambling, whoremongering' father of the psycho rapist says at the end ~ Regards Paul.

                        What kind of father signs a letter to his son Regards and not LOVE?

                        What kind of father signs a letter to his son Paul and not DAD?

                        This is a major key into the psyche of Paulus.

                        They spit in the face off Justice and it PISSES me OFF BIGTIME!!!!!

                        I'd love to give Karma directions to Montanja 19... as it has obviously been having a hard time locating that dump.


                        A Couple Of MORTAR Rounds In The Sloot Compound .........

                        Would Shake Things Up ..........

                         8)


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Rob on May 10, 2007, 12:25:45 PM
                        HA!

                        http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8P1K2100&show_article=1


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2007, 12:28:02 PM
                        Quote from: "Dayhiker"
                        Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
                        No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar ... Abraham Lincoln


                        SEPTEMBER 26, 2005

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        A CURRENT AFFAIR


                        Joran van der Sloot: She told me a lot of things. One thing she told me was that her mother was Hitler’s sister's daughter. I don’t know what she was talking, a lot of strange things. She told me she wanted to go to the light house and see sharks, which we never went to. But, I don’t know, she talked a lot of things. Obviously, she was drunk. I had stuff to drink too.


                        JANUARY 2, 2006

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        VANITY FAIR


                        Bryan Burrough:  Under questioning, however, Joran did change his story. Instead of leaving Natalee at the Holiday Inn, he now said, the Kalpoes had dropped him and Natalee off at the beach beside the Marriott, a half-mile north of the Holiday Inn; the area is a lovers' lane of sorts. He said Natalee was so drunk she was drifting in and out of consciousness. Joran said he left her at the beach and walked home.


                        MARCH 1, 2006

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        On the Record w/ Greta


                        VAN SUSTEREN: Is there a way to describe her, I mean, and whether she seemed or appeared to be, you know, drinking? Did she seem to be drunk?

                        VAN DER SLOOT: Oh... she'd been drinking, but she wasn't drunk. I mean, she knew what she was doing.



                        There you have it Janet. His story changed when he found out he could be charged with rape, as did Tacopina's.


                        You are so right dayhiker!


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Rob on May 10, 2007, 12:30:42 PM
                        Hi ya Widget and Kermit!


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2007, 12:32:39 PM
                        Hi-ho Rob
                        and monkeys.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: WidgetTheMidget on May 10, 2007, 12:37:01 PM
                        I Still Believe That Natalees Body Was Recovered In June 2005 ...

                        The Government Of Aruba Decided At This Time Because Of The

                        Brutality Suffered By Natalee That It Would Be Better To Make Her

                        Disappear For Good For The GOOD Of Aruba, Which In Turn Started

                        The Playhouse 90 Acting Theater Of Aruba.

                         8)


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: WidgetTheMidget on May 10, 2007, 12:37:59 PM
                        Quote from: "Rob"
                        Hi ya Widget and Kermit!


                        How You Stay Rob ...............

                         8)


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 12:39:48 PM
                        Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
                        I Still Believe That Natalees Body Was Recovered In June 2005 ...

                        The Government Of Aruba Decided At This Time Because Of The

                        Brutality Suffered By Natalee That It Would Be Better To Make Her

                        Disappear For Good For The GOOD Of Aruba, Which In Turn Started

                        The Playhouse 90 Acting Theater Of Aruba.

                         8)

                        I agree Widget.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: blah on May 10, 2007, 12:39:56 PM
                        Quote from: "klaasend"
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Don't know if this has been posted yet,but I see Ramm has finished translating ch. 7 of Joran's book:

                        http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6913.0

                        Posted by Ramm at BFN:


                        - then comes the trip proper, the FBI files show that Natalee and her friends said to the FBI that they did not do much more than swim, catch some rays and go out. It talks about the students being free to pair up and that Natalee shared with Ruth, Lee and Madison in room 7114 of the HI. They arrived Thursday afternoon. And although they were there with 4, only 3 slept there as Madison stayed in her boyfriends room (Trey) for all of the vacation.

                        END OF CHAPTER



                        How in the hell does he know what it says in the FBI files?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
                         :twisted:  :evil:


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Tamikosmom on May 10, 2007, 12:41:00 PM
                        Quote from: "klaasend"
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        Quote from: "klaasend"
                        Quote from: "Easywriter"
                        For some reason I have been craving a nice, thick steak all morning.....   8)

                        Had a BBQ'd porterhouse last night  :wink:


                        Yum!  I have not had a real steak in a while.  I checked out Jeff Ruby's Steak House and I am thinking it might require a second mortgage just to pay the dinner bill. lol

                        Is Ruth's Chris national, or regional?  I'm thinking the menu prices are probably comparable to Ruby's place.

                        Ruth Chris is national I believe


                        All of you are invited over to Tamikosmom's for BBQ Ribeye Steaks ... compliments of her husband.   Honestly ... my hubby has been told his steaks are comparable ... if not better ... than most steakhouses.  He seasons ... garlic/seasoned salt/pepper ... one/two hours prior to cooking and ... the grill has to be "very hot" before placing the steaks on it.

                        The Caesar salad, fried fresh mushrooms and loaded baked potatoes or rice are my responsibility and then there is the cleanup ... my responsibility also.  Hey ... I take back everything ... our local Keg steakhouse is where it is at.

                         :lol:

                        Janet


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 12:41:13 PM
                        Quote from: "San"
                        Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
                        I Still Believe That Natalees Body Was Recovered In June 2005 ...

                        The Government Of Aruba Decided At This Time Because Of The

                        Brutality Suffered By Natalee That It Would Be Better To Make Her

                        Disappear For Good For The GOOD Of Aruba, Which In Turn Started

                        The Playhouse 90 Acting Theater Of Aruba.

                         8)

                        I agree Widget.

                        Deepak Kalpoe "They will see that shit".

                        The shit is the beating Joran gave her.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Tamikosmom on May 10, 2007, 12:42:47 PM
                        Quote from: "Kermit"
                        Quote from: "Dayhiker"
                        Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
                        No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar ... Abraham Lincoln


                        SEPTEMBER 26, 2005

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        A CURRENT AFFAIR


                        Joran van der Sloot: She told me a lot of things. One thing she told me was that her mother was Hitler’s sister's daughter. I don’t know what she was talking, a lot of strange things. She told me she wanted to go to the light house and see sharks, which we never went to. But, I don’t know, she talked a lot of things. Obviously, she was drunk. I had stuff to drink too.


                        JANUARY 2, 2006

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        VANITY FAIR


                        Bryan Burrough:  Under questioning, however, Joran did change his story. Instead of leaving Natalee at the Holiday Inn, he now said, the Kalpoes had dropped him and Natalee off at the beach beside the Marriott, a half-mile north of the Holiday Inn; the area is a lovers' lane of sorts. He said Natalee was so drunk she was drifting in and out of consciousness. Joran said he left her at the beach and walked home.


                        MARCH 1, 2006

                        Joran Van der Sloot
                        On the Record w/ Greta


                        VAN SUSTEREN: Is there a way to describe her, I mean, and whether she seemed or appeared to be, you know, drinking? Did she seem to be drunk?

                        VAN DER SLOOT: Oh... she'd been drinking, but she wasn't drunk. I mean, she knew what she was doing.



                        There you have it Janet. His story changed when he found out he could be charged with rape, as did Tacopina's.


                        You are so right dayhiker!


                        CROAK!


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: WidgetTheMidget on May 10, 2007, 12:44:13 PM
                        Quote from: "San"
                        Quote from: "San"
                        Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
                        I Still Believe That Natalees Body Was Recovered In June 2005 ...

                        The Government Of Aruba Decided At This Time Because Of The

                        Brutality Suffered By Natalee That It Would Be Better To Make Her

                        Disappear For Good For The GOOD Of Aruba, Which In Turn Started

                        The Playhouse 90 Acting Theater Of Aruba.

                         8)

                        I agree Widget.

                        Deepak Kalpoe "They will see that shit".

                        The shit is the beating Joran gave her.


                        AGREED ..........

                        With Severe Head Trauma ...........

                         8)


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 12:45:23 PM
                        Quote from: "blah"
                        Quote from: "klaasend"
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Don't know if this has been posted yet,but I see Ramm has finished translating ch. 7 of Joran's book:

                        http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6913.0

                        Posted by Ramm at BFN:

                        - then comes the trip proper, the FBI files show that Natalee and her friends said to the FBI that they did not do much more than swim, catch some rays and go out. It talks about the students being free to pair up and that Natalee shared with Ruth, Lee and Madison in room 7114 of the HI. They arrived Thursday afternoon. And although they were there with 4, only 3 slept there as Madison stayed in her boyfriends room (Trey) for all of the vacation.

                        END OF CHAPTER


                        How in the hell does he know what it says in the FBI files?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
                         :twisted:  :evil:

                        Probably because when the Aruban authorities came here to question the MB kids he had access to their files.

                        I hope to god that the FBI wasn't stupid enough to give them access to everything.  How many times are the going to let Aruba make them look bad.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 12:46:24 PM
                        Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
                        Quote from: "San"
                        Quote from: "San"
                        Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
                        I Still Believe That Natalees Body Was Recovered In June 2005 ...

                        The Government Of Aruba Decided At This Time Because Of The

                        Brutality Suffered By Natalee That It Would Be Better To Make Her

                        Disappear For Good For The GOOD Of Aruba, Which In Turn Started

                        The Playhouse 90 Acting Theater Of Aruba.

                         8)

                        I agree Widget.

                        Deepak Kalpoe "They will see that shit".

                        The shit is the beating Joran gave her.


                        AGREED ..........

                        With Severe Head Trauma ...........

                         8)

                        Yes.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 12:50:33 PM
                        If Aruba is unwilling to give Natalee the justice she deserves because of the people involved in the coverup.  Then I will settle for vengeance.  Do to Paulus and Joran the same thing they did to Natalee.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Tamikosmom on May 10, 2007, 12:51:27 PM
                        Quote from: "blah"
                        Quote from: "klaasend"
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Don't know if this has been posted yet,but I see Ramm has finished translating ch. 7 of Joran's book:

                        http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6913.0

                        Posted by Ramm at BFN:


                        - then comes the trip proper, the FBI files show that Natalee and her friends said to the FBI that they did not do much more than swim, catch some rays and go out. It talks about the students being free to pair up and that Natalee shared with Ruth, Lee and Madison in room 7114 of the HI. They arrived Thursday afternoon. And although they were there with 4, only 3 slept there as Madison stayed in her boyfriends room (Trey) for all of the vacation.

                        END OF CHAPTER



                        How in the hell does he know what it says in the FBI files?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
                         :twisted:  :evil:


                        The New York lawsuit file against Paulus and Joran ....

                        Janet


                        Summons and Complaint
                        Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
                        vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot
                        February 16, 2006

                        Page 10 of 17

                        49. Joran and his Father obtained copies of files maintained by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation, and more than a thousand pages of interrogation documents prepared by the Aruban Police.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: WidgetTheMidget on May 10, 2007, 12:52:48 PM
                        Its Very Sad When Your Own Government Cant Help Get You Answers

                        About Your MIssing Daughter After ALL These Inconsistencies THat

                        Have Taken PLace Since DAY 1 ....................

                         :roll:


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Peaches on May 10, 2007, 12:53:19 PM
                        ""49. Joran and his Father obtained copies of files maintained by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation, and more than a thousand pages of interrogation documents prepared by the Aruban Police.""

                        Unbelievable.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Anna on May 10, 2007, 12:55:35 PM
                        O/T

                        Now BBQ is something totally different to us in the deep South.  It usually has to do with a pork shoulder roast and lots of secret sauces and secret preps.

                        Steak cooked on a grill is just steak grilled.

                        I had BBQ with extra hot sauce over the weekend,  ribs marinated in vodka and something secret and also pulled pork.  Was yummy.

                        But I also could go for one of Janet's grilled rib eye, my fav cut of steak.

                         :D

                        .


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: WidgetTheMidget on May 10, 2007, 12:56:07 PM
                        Quote from: "San"
                        If Aruba is unwilling to give Natalee the justice she deserves because of the people involved in the coverup.  Then I will settle for vengeance.  Do to Paulus and Joran the same thing they did to Natalee.


                        I Believe Paulus's Statement About KNowing What Happened Says It ...

                        ALL ................

                        Do Unto Others .........

                        Before They Do Unto You ...........

                         8)


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Rob on May 10, 2007, 12:56:09 PM
                        Quote from: "San"
                        If Aruba is unwilling to give Natalee the justice she deserves because of the people involved in the coverup.  Then I will settle for vengeance.  Do to Paulus and Joran the same thing they did to Natalee.


                        I'm normally not for vengeance. But for some reason, I wouldn't have a problem with this.

                        I guess that makes me a bad person.. oh well....::shrugs shoulders::...


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2007, 12:56:13 PM
                        DOMPIG re: the statment from Joran
                        "Once we got a statement from Joran that [Natalee] passed out several times while he was sexually fondling her, we thought we had something," Dompig says
                        Source: Vanity Fair Article
                        http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/060102roco01?print=true



                        DOMPIG:  So if the police chief says these guys are guilty as hell, but I need proof, why not take the forensic pieces?  Because this is an entirely circumstantial case that‘s going to be made up without a body, statements.  If there are forensic leads, those have to be followed.

                        Source:
                        http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9910586


                        ttp://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006...644_page5.shtml
                        March 26, 2006
                        Dompig laid out the latest scenario of what happened after Natalee was last seen driving off with van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers shortly after 1 a.m. He says investigators think the group did not go to the beach but that THEY POSSIBLY BROUGHT NATALIE BACK TO THE VAN DER SLOOTS' HOME.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2007, 12:58:05 PM
                        ACCORDING TO MICKEY JOHN - JORAN TEXT MSG DEEPAK FROM WHEREVER HE WAS AT - DEEPAK WAS AT HOME


                        JOHN: No. He only said that, while he was home, he went on his computer to chat with some friend. And the Dutch guy sent him a text message on his cell phone saying that when he got home he would also chat with him online. So he said automatically this guy was still out at the time he and his brother was home.

                        VAN SUSTEREN: Did he say what that message said?

                        JOHN: No, he didn't. He just said — the message said that, when he got home, he would talk to him online. He didn't say anything else.
                        http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,161044,00.html


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: blah on May 10, 2007, 12:58:28 PM
                        Quote from: "San"
                        Quote from: "blah"
                        Quote from: "klaasend"
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Don't know if this has been posted yet,but I see Ramm has finished translating ch. 7 of Joran's book:

                        http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6913.0

                        Posted by Ramm at BFN:

                        - then comes the trip proper, the FBI files show that Natalee and her friends said to the FBI that they did not do much more than swim, catch some rays and go out. It talks about the students being free to pair up and that Natalee shared with Ruth, Lee and Madison in room 7114 of the HI. They arrived Thursday afternoon. And although they were there with 4, only 3 slept there as Madison stayed in her boyfriends room (Trey) for all of the vacation.

                        END OF CHAPTER


                        How in the hell does he know what it says in the FBI files?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
                         :twisted:  :evil:

                        Probably because when the Aruban authorities came here to question the MB kids he had access to their files.

                        I hope to god that the FBI wasn't stupid enough to give them access to everything.  How many times are the going to let Aruba make them look bad.



                        MORE PROOF THAT THE ALE IS PART OF THE VAN DER SLOOT DEFENSE TEAM, DAM IT PISSES ME OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Rob on May 10, 2007, 12:58:46 PM
                        Quote from: "Peaches"
                        ""49. Joran and his Father obtained copies of files maintained by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation, and more than a thousand pages of interrogation documents prepared by the Aruban Police.""

                        Unbelievable.


                        sounds like the interviews the ALE did in Mount Brook in an attempt to frame them and give Joran a future book deal. Bastards.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: WidgetTheMidget on May 10, 2007, 12:58:59 PM
                        Quote from: "Rob"
                        Quote from: "San"
                        If Aruba is unwilling to give Natalee the justice she deserves because of the people involved in the coverup.  Then I will settle for vengeance.  Do to Paulus and Joran the same thing they did to Natalee.


                        I'm normally not for vengeance. But for some reason, I wouldn't have a problem with this.

                        I guess that makes me a bad person.. oh well....::shrugs shoulders::...


                        When The Vengence Takes Place ...........

                        I Hope Its Televised ..........

                        A New Reality Show ..........

                        See How Many Fingers Joran Loses Before He Spills His Guts ...

                         8)


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: blah on May 10, 2007, 01:01:32 PM
                        Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
                        Quote from: "blah"
                        Quote from: "klaasend"
                        Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
                        Don't know if this has been posted yet,but I see Ramm has finished translating ch. 7 of Joran's book:

                        http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6913.0

                        Posted by Ramm at BFN:


                        - then comes the trip proper, the FBI files show that Natalee and her friends said to the FBI that they did not do much more than swim, catch some rays and go out. It talks about the students being free to pair up and that Natalee shared with Ruth, Lee and Madison in room 7114 of the HI. They arrived Thursday afternoon. And although they were there with 4, only 3 slept there as Madison stayed in her boyfriends room (Trey) for all of the vacation.

                        END OF CHAPTER



                        How in the hell does he know what it says in the FBI files?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
                         :twisted:  :evil:


                        The New York lawsuit file against Paulus and Joran ....

                        Janet


                        Summons and Complaint
                        Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
                        vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot
                        February 16, 2006

                        Page 10 of 17

                        49. Joran and his Father obtained copies of files maintained by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation, and more than a thousand pages of interrogation documents prepared by the Aruban Police.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Rob on May 10, 2007, 01:01:56 PM
                        If Joran and Paulus are not the killers and body disposers, the real killer must be pissed off that Joran got the book deal and he didn't.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2007, 01:02:49 PM
                        http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/28/ng.01.html
                        September 28, 2005

                        TWITTY: ….. In one of his statements that he gave to the interrogators, he specifically stated that he took Natalee to his home, he wants her to come in, and he had sex with her. And he stamps it with a date and time.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2007, 01:04:28 PM
                        DOMPIG re: the statment from Joran
                        "Once we got a statement from Joran that [Natalee] passed out several times while he was sexually fondling her, we thought we had something," Dompig says
                        Source: Vanity Fair Article
                        http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/060102roco01?print=true


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: San on May 10, 2007, 01:04:43 PM
                        Quote from: "Rob"
                        Quote from: "San"
                        If Aruba is unwilling to give Natalee the justice she deserves because of the people involved in the coverup.  Then I will settle for vengeance.  Do to Paulus and Joran the same thing they did to Natalee.


                        I'm normally not for vengeance. But for some reason, I wouldn't have a problem with this.

                        I guess that makes me a bad person.. oh well....::shrugs shoulders::...

                        I do not believe people are bad who think like this.  I could think of a few other criminals that I would like to see them die just like they did to their victim.  John Couhey is a perfect example.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2007, 01:06:56 PM
                        (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/my_photos_/Paulus1.jpg)


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Observer on May 10, 2007, 01:08:58 PM
                        Quote from: "Kermit"
                        (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/my_photos_/Paulus1.jpg)


                        Yup PVDS was hittin that drink pretty good that night.. :wink: At least in that short clip.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: BTgirl on May 10, 2007, 01:09:11 PM
                        We've seen lots of photos of Paulus' hairline, but I don't remember seeing one that shows the top of his head. Does anyone have one that shows a bald spot matching the one in the casino?


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Tamikosmom on May 10, 2007, 01:09:15 PM
                        Quote from: "San"
                        If Aruba is unwilling to give Natalee the justice she deserves because of the people involved in the coverup.  Then I will settle for vengeance.  Do to Paulus and Joran the same thing they did to Natalee.


                        San ... those who participated in the events encompassing the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... those at all levels of the Aruba/Dutch administrations who participated in the coverup to distance Joran and Paulus from implication ... the sons of the elite who know and ... those who have discredited Natalee and her mother on internet forums in attempts to erect smokescreens to distance the truth ... may not receive their due justice here are earth but ... I believe with all my heart ... if there is not remorse or repetence ... justice will be prevail ... an ultimate justice.

                        Janet


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Anna on May 10, 2007, 01:09:28 PM
                        Quote from: "San"
                        Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
                        Quote from: "San"
                        Quote from: "San"
                        Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
                        I Still Believe That Natalees Body Was Recovered In June 2005 ...

                        The Government Of Aruba Decided At This Time Because Of The

                        Brutality Suffered By Natalee That It Would Be Better To Make Her

                        Disappear For Good For The GOOD Of Aruba, Which In Turn Started

                        The Playhouse 90 Acting Theater Of Aruba.

                         8)

                        I agree Widget.

                        Deepak Kalpoe "They will see that shit".

                        The shit is the beating Joran gave her.


                        AGREED ..........

                        With Severe Head Trauma ...........

                         8)

                        Yes.


                        Yep!  And now Joran thinks he is a celebrity, larger than life, and should be compared to OJ.  Yet he was just graduating from high school and has apparently never even had a job.

                        You'd think he was some kind of movie star from the arrogant manner in which he is acting.  It is not consistent with an innocent person who would NOT feel the need to trash the victim like this and would feel sad for Natalee and her family.  Reeks of his guilt and psychopathic personality.

                        .


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2007, 01:11:37 PM
                        ARUBA STOP THE COVER-UP

                        Aruban Law Enforcement  Van Der Straten

                        On 10-4 JUG told “CNN,” “Nancy, what happened -- well, I think it was probably about 30 days after, or so, maybe the 1st of July or something. I had a meeting with Van Der Straaten, who was the police chief in charge at that time. And I went in and sat down with him and told him and Officer Sambo, who was going to take over for Van Der Straaten. He was there, too. You know, I asked a question about, I understand that there was a statement made by Joran, where he talks about what he had done to Natalee and he described in very graphic detail, like, the stitching and embroidery and everything on Natalee`s underwear. And he goes, ‘Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not.’ Well, little did he know I had just read the statements where Joran describes that to the "T," you know, two days before. But of course, I didn't tell him that. But that`s just when I started to think something`s wrong here.”

                        http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Anna on May 10, 2007, 01:13:37 PM
                        Quote from: "San"
                        Quote from: "Rob"
                        Quote from: "San"
                        If Aruba is unwilling to give Natalee the justice she deserves because of the people involved in the coverup.  Then I will settle for vengeance.  Do to Paulus and Joran the same thing they did to Natalee.


                        I'm normally not for vengeance. But for some reason, I wouldn't have a problem with this.

                        I guess that makes me a bad person.. oh well....::shrugs shoulders::...

                        I do not believe people are bad who think like this.  I could think of a few other criminals that I would like to see them die just like they did to their victim.  John Couhey is a perfect example.



                        Most of us are taught forgiveness but in this instance I have no problem with an eye for an eye.  Just tolerating it is unacceptable and while I can only write letters, etc. I will do what I can to bring justice.

                        The Murder and Crime thread has had 22,500 views and Aruba no longer tells that whopper about being crime free, they say they are just like the rest of the region and that is one region that may have the hightest crime rate in the world right now, second at best.

                        So we have had an impact of sorts at the least and if we keep it up, sooner or later this bubble the Sloots live in is going to pop!

                        .


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2007, 01:14:43 PM
                        (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d110/Southern_belle1960/Natalee/abc.jpg)


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: BTgirl on May 10, 2007, 01:17:00 PM
                        Quote from: "Kermit"
                        (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d110/Southern_belle1960/Natalee/abc.jpg)


                        Thanks, Kermie!  :D


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Rob on May 10, 2007, 01:17:32 PM
                        Quote from: "Kermit"
                        ARUBA STOP THE COVER-UP

                        Aruban Law Enforcement  Van Der Straten

                        On 10-4 JUG told “CNN,” “Nancy, what happened -- well, I think it was probably about 30 days after, or so, maybe the 1st of July or something. I had a meeting with Van Der Straaten, who was the police chief in charge at that time. And I went in and sat down with him and told him and Officer Sambo, who was going to take over for Van Der Straaten. He was there, too. You know, I asked a question about, I understand that there was a statement made by Joran, where he talks about what he had done to Natalee and he described in very graphic detail, like, the stitching and embroidery and everything on Natalee`s underwear. And he goes, ‘Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not.’ Well, little did he know I had just read the statements where Joran describes that to the "T," you know, two days before. But of course, I didn't tell him that. But that`s just when I started to think something`s wrong here.”

                        http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html


                        Yeah Kerm- and don't forget that Sambo is involved in Max's case... along with Seute.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Anna on May 10, 2007, 01:17:39 PM
                        It's him.  What are the odds of some "guy who looked like Paulus" sitting at that table on that exact evening talking to Natalee?

                        .


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2007, 01:18:03 PM
                        STOP THE COVER-UP

                        Aruban Law Enforcement  Jacobs
                        I suddenly realized that Dennis Jacobs seemed to have a hand in
                        so many things that were unexplainable. I thought about Jacobs
                        asking me how much money I have and the statements the boys
                        gave with no follow-up questions. Then, I recalled how an FBI
                        agent had told Beth that when Dennis was conducting interviews,
                        she became so frustrated that she had walked out, because it
                        seemed  as though he did not want to do the interrogation. She
                        said there were no follow up questions asked regarding important
                        issues that were being raised so I was right about that.
                        Dave Holloway...Aruba.....page 181


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: BTgirl on May 10, 2007, 01:18:22 PM
                        Quote from: "Anna"
                        It's him.  What are the odds of some "guy who looked like Paulus" sitting at that table on that exact evening talking to Natalee?

                        .


                        Exactly!!


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2007, 01:18:30 PM
                        Quote from: "BTgirl"
                        Quote from: "Kermit"
                        (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d110/Southern_belle1960/Natalee/abc.jpg)


                        Thanks, Kermie!  :D


                        You are most welcome Miss BT.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2007, 01:19:14 PM
                        Quote from: "Rob"
                        Quote from: "Kermit"
                        ARUBA STOP THE COVER-UP

                        Aruban Law Enforcement  Van Der Straten

                        On 10-4 JUG told “CNN,” “Nancy, what happened -- well, I think it was probably about 30 days after, or so, maybe the 1st of July or something. I had a meeting with Van Der Straaten, who was the police chief in charge at that time. And I went in and sat down with him and told him and Officer Sambo, who was going to take over for Van Der Straaten. He was there, too. You know, I asked a question about, I understand that there was a statement made by Joran, where he talks about what he had done to Natalee and he described in very graphic detail, like, the stitching and embroidery and everything on Natalee`s underwear. And he goes, ‘Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not.’ Well, little did he know I had just read the statements where Joran describes that to the "T," you know, two days before. But of course, I didn't tell him that. But that`s just when I started to think something`s wrong here.”

                        http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html


                        Yeah Kerm- and don't forget that Sambo is involved in Max's case... along with Seute.


                        Ain't that interesting.


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Anna on May 10, 2007, 01:19:25 PM
                        Quote from: "*******"

                        Yup PVDS was hittin that drink pretty good that night.. :wink: At least in that short clip.


                        Looks like he has his own whole bottle in front of him, taking straight shots or whatever you call that.  Not the way a light, social drinker drinks.

                        JMO
                        .


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Anna on May 10, 2007, 01:20:26 PM
                        Quote from: "BTgirl"
                        Quote from: "Anna"
                        It's him.  What are the odds of some "guy who looked like Paulus" sitting at that table on that exact evening talking to Natalee?

                        .


                        Exactly!!


                        Wearing Paulus shirt.

                        .


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Peaches on May 10, 2007, 01:20:39 PM
                        Quote from: "Kermit"
                        DOMPIG re: the statment from Joran
                        "Once we got a statement from Joran that [Natalee] passed out several times while he was sexually fondling her, we thought we had something," Dompig says
                        Source: Vanity Fair Article
                        http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/060102roco01?print=true


                        And now they don't "have something"?  WHY NOT???


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: robots on May 10, 2007, 01:21:20 PM
                        i feel delicious with my new shoes on  :twisted:


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2007, 01:21:37 PM
                        VAN SUSTEREN: It's also, as I recall when you and I sat down with Joran's parents, I remember you and Joran's mother having a discussion about what Joran said about his sexual activity with Natalee, [/color]which is in stark contrast to this, as well.

                        TWITTY: Well, but the discussion was that they had had a sexual relationship of some sort, but that it was consensual, that it was not a straight-out denial, as we're now hearing in this statement
                        http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170558,00.html


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Peaches on May 10, 2007, 01:21:59 PM
                        Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
                        Quote from: "San"
                        If Aruba is unwilling to give Natalee the justice she deserves because of the people involved in the coverup.  Then I will settle for vengeance.  Do to Paulus and Joran the same thing they did to Natalee.


                        San ... those who participated in the events encompassing the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... those at all levels of the Aruba/Dutch administrations who participated in the coverup to distance Joran and Paulus from implication ... the sons of the elite who know and ... those who have discredited Natalee and her mother on internet forums in attempts to erect smokescreens to distance the truth ... may not receive their due justice here are earth but ... I believe with all my heart ... if there is not remorse or repetence ... justice will be prevail ... an ultimate justice.

                        Janet


                        Amen.  

                        I betcha Hell ain't even half full!


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2007, 01:22:05 PM
                        (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/nowlocked.jpg)

                        Please move to LCD# 617


                        http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1131


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2007, 01:22:07 PM
                        Quote from: "Peaches"
                        Quote from: "Kermit"
                        DOMPIG re: the statment from Joran
                        "Once we got a statement from Joran that [Natalee] passed out several times while he was sexually fondling her, we thought we had something," Dompig says
                        Source: Vanity Fair Article
                        http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/060102roco01?print=true


                        And now they don't "have something"?  WHY NOT???


                        COVER-UP


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: Anna on May 10, 2007, 01:22:14 PM
                        Quote from: "Peaches"
                        Quote from: "Kermit"
                        DOMPIG re: the statment from Joran
                        "Once we got a statement from Joran that [Natalee] passed out several times while he was sexually fondling her, we thought we had something," Dompig says
                        Source: Vanity Fair Article
                        http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/060102roco01?print=true


                        And now they don't "have something"?  WHY NOT???



                        Maybe this is the statement Dennis Jacobs tore up.

                         :evil:


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: robots on May 10, 2007, 01:22:37 PM
                        Quote from: "Peaches"
                        Quote from: "Kermit"
                        DOMPIG re: the statment from Joran
                        "Once we got a statement from Joran that [Natalee] passed out several times while he was sexually fondling her, we thought we had something," Dompig says
                        Source: Vanity Fair Article
                        http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/060102roco01?print=true


                        And now they don't "have something"?  WHY NOT???


                        i think that is when PAULUS did some MODIFYING to the statements

                         :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x


                        Title: Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007
                        Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2007, 01:22:49 PM
                        Quote from: "klaasend"
                        (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/nowlocked.jpg)

                        Please move to LCD# 617


                        http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1131