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More Than 150 Sign Petition Against Jose Baez
Posted: 11:44 pm EDT July 8, 2011

ORLANDO, Fla. -- There is no doubt that the Casey Anthony murder trial was contentious. Even Chief Judge Belvin Perry gave his opinion about the trial and the lawyers.

“There has been gamesmanship in the case, andit’s quite evident there is a friction between attorneys,”Judge Perry said.

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“I will reserve the decision to proceed with contempt proceedings at the conclusion of this trial,” Judge Perry warned.

Now the trial is over and some people want to see those contempt proceedings happen. They’ve launched an online petition asking Judge Perry to punish Baez. The same way he punished trial watcher, Matthew Bartlett who showed prosecutor Jeff Ashton his middle finger in the courtroom.

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So far, more than 160 people have signed the petition.

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/july/276382/Caylees-Law-gains-momentum
Caylee's Law gains momentum
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CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY -- Born August 9, 2005. Disappeared June 2008, weeks before her third birthday. Her remains were found on December 11, 2008, in a wooded area near her home.
By Stephanie Coueignoux, Reporter
Last Updated: Friday, July 08, 2011 11:28 PM
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"I think what everyone agrees on is that it is absolutely wrong for someone to -- for 31 days to prance around and party when their child is deceased or missing," Plakon said.

Plakon teamed up with Miami Rep. Jose Diaz to write the law.

Under this proposed law, the following would become felonies:

    failing to report a missing child
    failing to report the death of a child or the location of a child's body
    intentionally providing false information to law enforcement about a child's disappearance

"If this law would have been in place, Casey Anthony would not be walking out of the Orange County Jail in the next few days. She would be walking in the jail many, many years from now," Plakon said.
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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2011/07/09/anthony_verdict_stirs_call_for_laws/
Anthony verdict stirs call for laws
Penalties wanted for not reporting missing children
By Brent Kallestad
Associated Press / July 9, 2011
TALLAHASSEE - Lawmakers outraged over Casey Anthony’s acquittal have responded by proposing so-called Caylee’s laws that would allow prosecutors to bring felony charges against parents who do not quickly report missing children.
The new measures were triggered, at least in part, by an online petition that had more than 700,000 signatures yesterday. Some questioned whether a new law would do any good because the circumstances of the Anthony case were so rare, but lawmakers in at least a dozen states have already floated proposals reacting to the verdict.
“Casey Anthony broke new ground in brazenness,’’ said Scott Plakon, a Florida state representative who is sponsoring the proposal. “It’s very sad that we even need a law like this, but Casey Anthony just proved that we do as unfortunate as that is.’’
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Dr. William Weitz & Caylee's Law: Nancy 7/8/11
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/1/tR9FmqYQa0Q

Jose Beaz Needs To Be Held Accountable For His Actions

http://www.change.org/petitions/jose-beaz-needs-to-be-held-accountable-for-his-actions

the one thing about that juror number 3 wasnt it known after that she had some kind of not warrant but she was in trouble with the law...i wonder if that was wiped away by Bozo for her help in getting the jury to vote not guilty would be interesting to follow that and see what happens to her on whatever count i cant remember what she was in trouble for

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43691279/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#video-transcript


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"God forbid we ever run into a mother like Casey Anthony again," said Plakon, the Florida legislator. "If we do, that mother will be a felon."



Amen

 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::

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signed, sealed, hopefully delievered

Good morning!  Like everyone else, I've been mulling over like soundbites by Juror #3 and the alternate these past few days, astounded at the lack of critical thinking and logic.  Juror #3 said the jurors were unable to even determine who had physical custody of the child when the "accident" or whatever happened.  Uhmmm, Cindy was the phone pursuing Casey because she didn't know where Caylee was (numerous phone calls and messages over 31 days, MySpace, sending Lee to the bar scene to find Casey, showing up at Casey's "work", calling Amy after they picked up the car from the tow yard, etc.).  Lee, in both statements and depositions, clearly stated Cindy sent him looking for Casey because she hadn't seen Caylee.  Lee, in the jail video visits clearly ask Casey, "Is this like last time?"- as in clearly, Casey had taken Caylee away before in response to some grievance and not let Cindy & George see her.  George wasn't the techno-savvy one of the bunch, the closest one to Casey, nor was he allowed to handle things with Casey = so he wouldn't be in charge of the search effort.  Casey was the one claiming possession of Caylee, by her LE statements that she dropped Caylee off with the nanny.  She was also tied to that by her lies to Cindy that they (she & Caylee)were in Jacksonville. She also established herself as the primary guardian of Caylee with her numerous stories of where Caylee was because she was in contact with Zenaida, she knew where Zenaida and Caylee were in any given week.

Moreover, according to the same juror, the jury basically discounted all of Dr. Vass' testimony about the chloroform in the trunk.  Who best to believe, someone who has a lifetime of experience and an established, well-respected institute for studying dead bodies (causes of death, rate of decomposition in numerous environments, stages of decomposition,chemical processes of decompositions, etc.) or someone with far less experience?   Likewise, they did the same with the duct tape. In essence, the jury had already decided prior to deliberations, to discount Caylee's duct-taped toddler's skull solely because it didn't fit the drowning theory. Wow! IMO, they'd already decided to go with the drowning theory and so they had no questions about testimony, depositions, scientific process, and no need to further examine one shred of evidence.

Got to run-have a family function to go to.  Take good care everybody.   

I did.

I signed too!

-- Long Post Warning -- Disclaimer: No disrespect intended toward any political beliefs.

Everyone is puzzling over the odd remarks being made by jurors who have spoken out so far.  Were they stupid?  What can explain their baffling verdict that flew in the face of all common sense, the polls, the pundits' predictions, etc..?  Was there juror misconduct?  A planted "stealth juror" or two?  Jury tampering?  Why did Baez seem so chipper when the jury was sent to deliberate, when he should have been shaking in his shoes?  And so upbeat when court reconvened to hear their verdict?

Well, regarding the "Runaway Jury" Theory, and whether the jurors' actions will be, or should be, investigated, it really stands out to me that the stated goal of the DT was to "save Casey's life:"

The jury did not seem to even consider the lesser charges at all; it is almost as if they glossed right over them -- along with the ample evidence presented by the State -- in their rush to find Casey NOT GUILTY of the Death Penalty charge (1st Degree Murder):   

The jury did not follow the law, nor the judge's instructions... WHY NOT?

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Okay.  This is complicated.  But who knows, there may be a connection.  And if there is, I hope it is being investigated:

First, there is the concept of Jury Nullification, as explained by FIJA (Fully Informed Jury Association/Amendment)


Note that it's all about the Constitution -- remember how Jennifer Ford and Cheney Mason have both mentioned THE CONSTITUTION in the verdict's aftermath?

It's all about the Constitution, yep:

And here is FIJA:

FIJA is active in Florida:

And, regarding the Casey Anthony murder trial in particular --- Remember this, from January & February of this year?

Judge Perry issued an order against FIJA's activities to protect the case.  FIJA activists hired an ACLU attorney.  They claimed Judge Perry's order violated their First Amendment rights and the wording in his order was "unconstitutional."

BTW, you can Google it:  ACLU has a history of successfully fighting cases in which people are charged with misdemeanors for giving the single finger salute (i.e. "obscene gesture") and have won some big damage awards for those exonerated -- all in the name of the First Amendment.  That is the same gesture that Mr. Mason made during the DT's celebration, and the same defense he used when called out for his behavior.

Anyway, this is what Caylee blogger Niecey had to say about the FIJA activists fighting Judge Perry's order:


One more thing:

Remember the white-haired guy in the red shirt who was brought before a wrathful Judge Perry in the middle of the trial?  He was arrested after handing out pamphlets and refusing to leave.  Name is Mark Schmidter.

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Now, as to whether or not it is legal for a "runaway jury" to take the law into their own hands, against the judge's instructions; as to the question of whether that is indeed constitutional .... we'll leave that as a controversial argument.

However, there is no question about the illegality of jury tampering or juror misconduct.  Those are crimes.  So the important question would be whether jury tampering and/or jury misconduct was engaged in by attorneys, their 'investigators,' or jurors in this case, in order to create Bozo's big win through the secret weapon of jury nullification.
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BTW, I can't help but find it intriguing that Russell Huekler (alternate juror, first one to speak out after the verdict) teaches Social Studies at a school that boasts a very unusual Criminal Justice Academy.  He mentioned that he intended to transform his jury experience in the Casey trial into an educational lesson for his students.
http://www.cja.pinellas.k12.fl.us/ <--(check it out here.)

Oh, and on that note, did you know that "jury nullification" is a hot topic in some educational circles for student debates?
Please excuse me if none of this makes sense! 
(And please do not quote this super long post in its entirety, okay?)

Not only that but Casey claimed to have talked to Caylee that day or the day before on the phone.

you know if you step back from the situation and take all the emotion out of it - logic tells us either that jury was tampered with in one way or another OR 12 of the dumbest & most uneducated, unintelligent people voted that day.  Tough call but I sincerely believe something fishy went on!

Here in Columbus OH, we do hear about Casey, but we are also hearing about sanctions for OSU and their scandal (players getting free tattoos, etc).  Yesterday I was listening to the AM talk radio channel, and the guy said that Jim Tressel no longer having to pay $250k, but instead gets paid a monthly salary, etc..  is "just like the Casey Anthony trial".   We'll still hear about OJ I'm sure, but now that Casey is the new OJ, this tells me that the majority of people out there honestly believe that what happened in the case in Florida is a complete miscarriage of justice.

Klaas I think we need a thread  for "state by state" so to speak who is going forward in trying to pass Caylee's law. 
So we can refer back and update the DATE Caylee's Law HAS passed in each state.
It would be a no discussion thread, only info.

Pleaseeeee.. ::MonkeyAngel::

Has to be. 

Most of the jurors that have spoken out say they don't think she's innocent. However, they didn't know exactly how Caylee died, they thought George was unbelievable, and the state showed by at least a couple of their witnesses that Casey was a good mom.

1.) How Caylee died, considering the fact she wasn't reported dead or missing, is irrelevant.
2.) George having a mistress and being combative with Baez about that is also irrelevant (IMO)
3.) If Casey was such a good mom, then you still have to question #1. Why wasn't she reported dead? Why didn't Casey show any emotion? Why did she lie for so long? Why does all of the evidence take you back to Casey?  I'm sure lots of mothers who have killed their own children were "good" at some point. 

In my long post above, this link worked when I was typing it.  But I just noticed it doesn't work now.

Here is a cached version I found. At least for the present moment, this link works.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Qed4011JVrIJ:www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/june/271337/Man-accused-of-handing-out-pamphlets-outside-Casey-Anthony-jury-room+man+handing+out+pamphlets&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

Well put - makes total sense to me!  I hope & pray that someone somewhere is looking into this.  If the public feels this way then hopefully people who can do something about it do too.  I'm hoping they don't have the "why bother" attitude & step up to the plate for Caylee.  Even if the jurors weren't "tampered" with they certainly didn't reach their verdict by following the judges instructions and that would also garner an investigation.   I'm just so disgusted by this whole thing it saddens me to think that this Great country of ours lets child killers roam free to kill again.

I have followed this case and a few others yes internet makes it easier to follow them, my mom and son on the other hand doesnt really follow nothing if it isnt here and now type of situations. They both day after day watched court with me, we were all stunned with the verdict of NG. My mom said immediately when Bozo did his gun solute to the camera that something wasnt right, here you have your client facing death row and your all smiles and shooting fingers? She turned to me and said hun shes walking he got to the jury someway somehow, I know JP let them go home on friday after being picked from Friday to Sunday they were not guarded or anything. Why werent they?

Lawmakers outraged over Casey Anthony's acquittal from many, many States.
This speaks VOLUMES!

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43691279/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#video-transcript (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43691279/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#video-transcript)

"God forbid we ever run into a mother like Casey Anthony again," said Plakon, the Florida legislator. "If we do, that mother will be a felon."
This speaks VOLUMES!

I am wondering if Mr. George and Linda is investigating this due to JP, Linda or Mr. George has made any type of statements at all on this ruling?

http://www.wlfi.com/dpp/news/crime/professor-stands-by-his-evidence-in-casey-anthony-trial
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Professor stands by his evidence in Casey Anthony trial
Dr. Haskell "shocked" by verdict
Updated: Saturday, 09 Jul 2011, 12:08 AM EDT
Published : Friday, 08 Jul 2011, 11:52 PM EDT
RENSSELAER, Ind. (WLFI) - A forensic science professor from Rensselaer said he, like many others, were shocked at the outcome of the Casey Anthony trial this week.
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Can  this case be taken to The state Supreme Court  saying that the Jury and judge was wrong,
and get this  reversed?


It happed here
http://www.courant.com/community/hartford/hc-gould-supreme-court-0709-20110708,0,2876568.story

It doesnt seem it went in front of jury if there were a jury then it got overturned then I would say yes but not sure

According to an article I found recently, Linda is not allowed to speak on the case..  I'm guessing because she is still involved in getting compensation for the state, re: the search, etc..

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/valleynewsdispatch/lifestyles/s_745379.html

Cindy Drane, an Oakmont resident, exchanged e-mails with her older sister a short time after the verdict was rendered.

"She said she's OK and she'll call me later," Cindy Drane said. "She said she thought she did the best she could. She just wanted to do her job. You just can't predict what a jury is going to do."

She said Linda told her that the Florida State Attorney General's office has not permitted her to talk to the media, even after the verdict.

"Geraldo Rivera came up to her and introduced himself, but she told him she couldn't talk to him," Cindy Drane said.

"You'll find one thing out about Linda -- she plays by the rules, her ethics are high," said Don Drane, adding that while they spoke about once a week during the trial, the case was never discussed.

Once thing that is so disturbing about this verdict.. the state put on excellent witnesses who really know their stuff.  Baez put on a bunch of whack-a-doodles, and he still got his client off scott free.  How the hell does this happen?  I feel bad for this Dr. and the many others who took this case seriously.  They didn't spout of nonsense about coyotes, and act sloshed (or completely full of themselves) up on the stand. 

not sure if anybody else posted this, but Ohio wants to join in to support Caylee's Law.   ::MonkeyGavel::

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2011/07/09/story-columbus-casey-anthony-trial-inspires-law.html?sid=102
Caylee Anthony Case Inspires Law Proposal In Ohio


COLUMBUS, Ohio — Hundreds of Ohioans have e-mailed and called their state representatives after the recent Casey Anthony trial, many of them outraged that her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee, was not reported missing for a month.

Ohio State Rep. Michael Stinziano drafted "Caylee's Law" because he wants parents to work with police if a child vanishes, 10TV's Danielle Elias reported.

"If there's a missing child or concern of a missing child, or neglect, it would add a timeframe that doesn't currently exist in Ohio law," Stinziano said.

The proposed law would make it a felony for parents not to report the death of a child to police within an hour, or within 24 hours in the case of a missing child, Elias reported.

Stinziano said Ohio has one of the first pieces of legislation addressing the issue, though other states are beginning to draft theirs now, Elias reported.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/vp/43691488#43691488
Watch full episode: 'Inside the Verdict'
  After weeks of media captivation, the trial of Casey Anthony reaches a controversial conclusion. Dateline NBC's Dennis Murphy reports.
Part 1 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/vp/43691488#43691488
Part 2 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/vp/43691488#43691568

Supreme Court decisions can only be overturned in two ways:

Legitimate Methods
The US Supreme Court reverses a decision on an earlier case by making a contradictory decision on a current case.

Congress and the States can overturn a decision by amending the Constitution.

Illegitimate Methods (Passive Resistance)
Sometimes the Executive Branch obstructs or fails to enforce a decision.

Sometimes Congress rewrites legislation to bring it into compliance with constitutional guidelines.

Sometimes Congress strips the Supreme Court of its appellate jurisdiction over certain types of cases to deprive them of the ability to overturn a law or policy. ::snipping2::

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_can_US_Supreme_Court_decisions_be_overturned

Part 3. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/vp/43691488#43691895
Part 4. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/vp/43691488#43691737
Part 5. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/vp/43691488#43692073
Part 6. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/vp/43691488#43692092

What if they did not deliberate?  I question if they ever deliberated this case.  I wonder if they just took a vote while
eating dinner?  everything about this just does not add up. IMO  (they just wanted to get the hay out of the Hotel).

I still feel theres got to be a loop hole somewheres that will bring this case back into courts I have been praying on this since the verdict was read. Something is not right. I know I cant be wrong if the world feels the same way.

Desdemona your post should be copied and sent to every judge, Governor and Representatives of the 9th district circuit court Florida.


Really.  YOU layed it out PERFECTLY....

BRAVO..............
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It is like they just listened to Bozo OS and that was it, accident.  Who cares about duct tape.  Who cares about chloroform.  I have never seen anything like this in my life.  They listened to nobody.  I have hope that at least some of the jurors will have some compassion after they have a bit of time to get over this and make some concessions about there was too much to go through or they were bullied, which is what i think happened.  Even the foreman isn't talking.  What the heck is up with that?  How do you go from 10-2 for 1st degree murder and/or 6/6 manslaughter to 12 not guilty of anything but lying to police?  Judge should have stopped and brought the jury to a private room or something and spoke to them.  I bet he could not do that though. 

I also think the fact that every witness was pretty much arguing with Bozo had something to do with this.  He is so annoying, but maybe the jury felt sorry for him.  The putz. 

I cannot believe they all though she was so sweet and innocent.  I hate her. 

They never asked to see evidence, didn't ask the judge for clarification, apparently didn't ask for a read-back (although I'm assuming they had transcripts with them in the jury room?), never asked for any breaks as far as I recall. They didn't even take their notebooks with them, did they?  Some of them rarely (if ever) took notes.  It was just shy of 11 hours that they were actually in the jury room. This does not include time spent eating and going to the bathroom, much less picking a jury foreman, figuring out where they all stood, etc.  How does one justify so little time spent deliberating? 

So did I.

I posted this last night and brought it over from the other thread...Bill O'Reilly on a roll...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bill-oreilly-casey-anthony-juror-209259

Desdemona...Great post!  I recall that one of the jurors (at least) was on a prior jury...I wonder if that one ever received one of these pamphlets?

Desi...send your post to Bill O...he likes to get involved in that kind of stuff...especially when he is passionate about it..

I will not quote the long jury nullification explanation  by Des but I will say that I completely disagree with the allegation that jury nullification is a valid explanation for the outcome of this case. In its simplest form Jury Nullification is simply one of two things either 1) the law itself is a bad law or 2) the law was improperly applied.  Neither applies in this case.

My hubs happens to be active with FIJA - and gets regular updates from the guy that heads the Orlando chapter. Judge Perry has always been very nice to the group and has only restricted them from areas they should not be in. 

An example of jury nullification (which is illegal to tell a jury about once they are empathized) would be finding someone with medical marijuana not guilty of possession even when they have it because you feel the law is a bad law.

I am a very strong believer in jury nullification - IMO the jurors have not expressed the kind of sophistication that would be required to implement jury nullification. They do not seem to know the law nor the instructions. but that is JMO as a student of the concept.

deliberate - 

1. carefully weighed or considered; studied; intentional: a deliberate lie.
2. characterized by deliberation; careful or slow in deciding: a deliberate decision.
3. leisurely and steady in movement or action; slow and even; unhurried: a deliberate step.

Good morning Monkey's,

The jurors did not deliberate, IMO.  The jury did not weight this case, when it went to the jury.  They weighted their vacations, instead of Caylee Marie Anthony.  (anyone could figure out this).

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They simply ignored everything and voted to acquit her....fastest way to get out of there and get on with their lives...meanwhile Caylee's life was taken away from her..

Yes, send your WHOLE post to Bill too!!!!

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Very good post Desi.  At a minimum, they did not follow the instructions given to them.  Beyond that, they are all either incredibly stupid, or, there's some funny biz going on......

Bill O'Reilly was ranting about exactly what we are...they ignored everything and simply went on made up theories the defense presented in opening arguements and could never prove. As he said , if this is the case and can happen then our system is truly broken...

Juror #3 made statement she already had her mind made before deliberating. I feel she sold Caylee Marie Anthony for a trip to Disney World for her family. Now how in god's name did the jury give a verdict at 2:15pm, then go to Disney world with her family the rest of the day? Bought off sounds like it to me.MOO

Loved it!

I hate to say this because I dont have a link, but I read somewhere that ABC was denying paying for the Disney trip...Her own mother reported that ABC paid for it...tell me how a 32 yr old nursing student took her whole family including neices and nephews to Disney if someone else did not foot the bill...
The stupid stuff she said to O'Reilly really bothered me...she was talking about if they all three were there and stuff that was out of left field...

He is passionate about it!!!!

I have to work today...there will be alot of "I told you so's".... I am not in the mood !!!!

Why do we bother with juries, then?  Seriously, what's the point?  Somebody called in to NG last night, basically questioned the fact that we have judges and lawyers who have to go to school and get a degree to do their jobs.. but then they present their cases to people like this.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I really question why ABC would do that.  Were the tickets already bought because ABC felt the case was a slam dunk for a First Degree murder conviction, and that was supposed to be a "thank you" trip? Or what?  WHY.

What is so terribly disturbing is they went with a theory and ignored the FACTS in the case. There was no evidence presented whatsoever that this was an accident, those who have spoken seem to think it was, WHY?  Something is not right.

He sure is - I sent him an email thanking him for supporting Caylee and speaking the truth.

I have created a forum for Caylee's Law - by State.  I've added sub boards to it for each state.  No verbage or info has been posted but anyone who knows of what is being done in any state can go ahead and add a topic under that particular state.  I will add info as I have time but wanted to first get the boards set up (good idea Pharlap).  It is in the same area the archived trial posts are, up above in the main Caylee forum.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=82.0

I haven't heard anything from the jurors so far about Cindy, but I can only conclude they must believe that Cindy also knew about what happened to Caylee and that she helped cover it up as well.  Because instead of thinking "Gee, this woman lied for her daughter to save her from the death penalty",  she must have lied because everybody was in on it.  Family dysfunction doesn't excuse not reporting a child dead or missing for 31 days. The jurors (or at least #14) have said that there was no evidence to support the sexual abuse allegation, so if they really did their jobs here (and came to the most logical conclusion), what real basis do they/we have for dysfunction beyond what most families have as to why all of this happened?  ABSOLUTELY NONE. 

Thanks trimmonthelake

Janet

Thanks. I just added something to Ohio..  news article about the proposal here.  :)

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/

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The jury: WKMG-Channel 6’s Tony Pipitone said jurors had code names as “Rosen Student One,” “Rosen Student Two” and so on because they were booked into a hotel as the Rosen Transfer Students Conference. They stayed at the Rosen Shingle Creek at a rate of $112 a night for six weeks.

The jurors always traveled with deputies, court spokeswoman Karen Levey told Pipitone. Levey also explained: For the last 10 days, the jurors had no television because of the heavy Anthony trial promotion on channels such as even Cartoon Network and Syfy. Jurors had special meals at places ranging from the Citrus Club and the University Club to Tony Roma’s and Olive Garden. The food costs were nearly $25,000. The jurors went to movies, such as “Super 8″ and “Green Lantern.” The deliberating jurors declined to watch the Lake Eola fireworks but the alternates watched the holiday festivities.

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These brain dead jurors really thought they were special.......

Perfect!  I saw that and hope others do the same if they see something in their state.  Thank you!

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Desdemona ~ We are on the same page. Everything you painstakingly typed out & researched is exactly what I've been trying to say for weeks! ACLU, NCADP, Amnesty Intl, Amnesty USA, thelistgoesonandon!

I posted a link to the major media corps and all their companies on the last thread. Some, dare I say most, are anti dp. The head honcho for TruTV is also the bigwig for one of America's most influential anti dp groups. He also has most Time-Warner shares, Friends with ABC/Disney honchos, the list goes on & on.

We need to ask ourselves who benefitted the most from this case. Which station kept it at the forefront, above others that were missing? There were alot of missing children cases filed over the past few years, but this case always remained on top. Always. I believe it's bc Caylee is adorable & had a nice looking mother that exuded sexuality. It sells ratings. The dysfunctional Anthony family dynamics make the story addicting to reality tv viewing America. Casey's numerous relationships made this story salacious. The horrific despicable way Caylee was duct taped & discarded, while her mother was out galavanting for a month, brought out emotions in the majority of people world wide. The lies, oh the lies, they never stopped coming at us. Defamation ensued. It was a juicy story that everybody bought into for a plethora of reasons.

However, I am bitter bc our feelings were preyed upon while others reaped the reward of wealth. One cable tv news diva landed her own show bc of the ratings boost they got whenever she covered Caylee's case. This same cable company that is linked to one of the biggest anti dp advocates in our world.

These same groups of people, in my humble opinion, helped Casey's Defense. Anybody who was ever discreminated against, anybody with strong religious convictions, anybody with a criminal or salacious past could resonate with Casey. Their feelings & convictions were utilized.

I strongly believe if the death penalty wasn't brought to the table, Casey would be serving 25 years to life for the death & discard of her daughter. As much as any of us want Casey convicted for Caylee's death, and as heinous the crime scene was, there were still holes.

Most people that are pro dp are only for it if the evidence is 100% against the perp. In this case, while we all believe Casey & only Casey was involved in Caylee's demise, it couldn't be proven that George, Cindy or Lee didn't contribute to something. Anything. For that reason alone, I believe if the dp wasn't put on the table as punishment, Casey would be serving many years in prison, maybe members of her family too.

I loved the Rascal Flatts tribute to Caylee.  Someone may have already suggested this I cant keep up!  I know I am asking for a lot - I wish they would donate the money made on this to purchase that property where she was found and build a memorial park on it. 

I realize Wikipedia isn't the greatest source of information, but check this out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Peterson#Trial

"The only piece of forensic evidence identified was a single hair, thought to belong to Laci, found in a pair of pliers from Peterson's boat."[13]

"Autopsies were performed, but due to decomposition the specific cause of death could not be determined. The medical examiner did note that Laci had suffered some broken ribs (the 5th, 6th, and 9th ribs) prior to her death; these injuries were not caused by the body dragging along the rocks in the bay."

"In later press appearances, members of the jury stated that they felt that Peterson's demeanor—specifically, his lack of emotion, and the phone calls to Amber Frey in the days following Laci's disappearance—indicated that he was guilty. They based their verdict on "hundreds of small 'puzzle pieces' of circumstantial evidence that came out during the trial, from the location of Laci Peterson's body to the myriad lies her husband told after her disappearance." They also decided on the death penalty because they felt Peterson betrayed his responsibility to protect his wife and son.[26]"

I just ask myself..  when it come down to it, how is Casey's case any different? It's mostly circumstantial (though in Lacy's case there is evidence of trauma prior to death), but I believe the evidence here equally suggests Casey is as guilty as sin, and that these jurors didn't bother to do their due diligence. 

Just added what I know about TX.

 ::HelloKitty::

Forgot my manners... Good morning TexasBarMom, slowsouthernrain, Missiontoconvict, AZSunny, Airlinemonkey, chi-monkey, seemeatthebeach, lilme, codemonkey, mamolie, anothermonkey, klaasend, shutterblog, ladydi, michelete2, FormerFLGirl, Rosenut and 55 Guests.

good morning!

I've always loved his show! He's so intelligent, sarcastically funny, political...

He sure nailed that...!!!

Morning everyone!
(I'll confess to a lack of manners as well, but sometimes this thing moves so fast!)

good morning.. that is just another thing that has me shaking my head and sighing deeply.... it was the pros vs the clown show and the clowns prevailed.. wtf???

883,475
http://www.change.org/petitions/create-caylees-law

Klaas, Red, or someone, please delete the first two entries i made under Mississippi for caylee's law, they were the wrong ones! I am about to post there the correct links to the mississippi petition for everyone to sign, Thank You! Monken

Monken, go ahead and post what you need to.  See my moderator's note in the Mississippi thread.  Muffy

Great idea ... all contact info will be put in this so that we shall have the info needed for everyone to provide Justice for Caylee.

Do not let this little girl die in vane. We have not yet to fight Monkeys. This is not over by a long shot.

Agree with you!

http://m.dictionary.com/d/?q=Reasoning&submit-result-SEARCHD=Search
rea·son·ing
[ree-zuh-ning, reez-ning]
- noun 1. the act or process of a person who reasons 2. the process of forming conclusions, judgments, or inferences from facts or premises 3. the reasons, arguments, proofs, etc., resulting from this process
- Related Forms    non·rea·son·ing- adjective    rea·son·ing·ly- adverb
rea·son
[ree-zuhn]
- noun 1. cause for a belief, act, etc. 2. sound judgment 3. sanity - verb (used without object) 4. to think or argue logically - verb (used with object) 5. to infer
- Related Forms    sub·rea·son- noun    out·rea·son- verb (used with object)


http://m.dictionary.com/d/?q=Logic&submit-result-SEARCHD=Search
log·ic
[loj-ik]
- noun 1. science or method of reasoning


http://m.dictionary.com/d/?q=Common+sense&submit-result-SEARCHD=Search
common sense
- noun 1. sound practical judgment
- Related Forms    com·mon·sen·si·ble- adjective    com·mon·sen·si·bly- adverb


http://m.dictionary.com/d/?q=Judge&submit-result-SEARCHD=Search
judge
[juhj]
- noun 1. public officer who hears and decides cases in a court of law 2. person who decides who has won a contest 3. person able to pass critical judgment - verb (used with object)judgedjudging 4. to pass legal judgment on 5. to form an opinion about - verb (used without object)judgedjudging 6. to act as a judge
- Related Forms    well-judged- adjective    judg·ing·ly- adverb    un·der·judge- noun    re·judge- verb    un·der·judge- verb (used with object)


http://m.dictionary.com/d/?q=Jury&submit-result-SEARCHD=Search
ju·ry
[joor-ee]
- noun, plural-ries 1. group of persons selected to make a decision, esp. in a law court

Thank you Klaas.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you Muffy!  ::MonkeyKiss::

TRACY MCLAUGHLIN

DR. DREW
After the Anthony Verdict; Inside the Anthony Home
Aired July 8, 2011 - 21:00   ET

<snipped>

PINSKY: Well, you`re someone that has spent time with her and very few people have. What do you went down? What happened?

MCLAUGHLIN: What I think happened is she got in a fight with her mom. Cindy confronted her about stealing money from her grandmother. I think that`s coming out a little bit right now, but she got in a fight. I do believe she used chloroform. And in a fit of anger -- this is where I can`t guess if it was accidental. I mean, who should be putting chloroform to their child`s mouth in the first place? Accidental or on purpose. Put it in there.

PINSKY: And then, she, herself, disposed of the body?

MCLAUGHLIN: Yes. Well, she kept her in her trunk. To me, it`s so easy to figure out. Kept her in trunk, panicked, brought it back to the house, that`s when the duct tape went on, and that`s when the heart sticker - kidnapping, that`s what I`m going to do. That`s what she thought about. You know, had it in a trunk bag so it wasn`t smelling like, you know, people -- some friends had been by her car and they said they didn`t smell it. Well, OK, it didn`t smell yet.

When George almost got to the trunk with her gas cans, and she threw the gas cans out of -- I think she panicked then. Went down to her little spot, threw the body out, I think, the bag ripped, and that`s when that`s, you know, horrendous, smell was strong.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/08/ddhln.01.html

Good morning Peeps--- Well, Flamom, Everybody loves a circus, apparently the 12 clowns who were together and called a jury loves a circus a lot and wanted to join this one. 

As I recall, the judge said that he, Baez and Mason would get together and decide how many more days Casey Anthony would have to serve. He said it should take about an hour. They came up with July 13th.  Now they say July 17th.  Does anyone believe that a judge and two lawyers would make such an elementary mistake?  I don't.  I think changing the public date is another hoax among many in this case and she will not be released on the 17th, but earlier.  IMO it's just another example of bending over backwards to accommodate Casey Anthony and protect her from facing any unpleasantness.  After all, she's a million dollar baby now.  But to me, she will always be a piece of worthless trash and so will her family who cooked up the whole scheme, IMO.  Baez isn't that smart.  But it is just desserts that Casey will have nothing to do with them now that the plan worked.  Poetic justice.  Too bad, Cindy.  I think she's slipped out of your grasp. And she's gonna be very, very rich.  But Cindy won't get any.
I love to see chickens coming home to roost.   

Thank you Trimm!  ::MonkeyAngel::

If you have not yet contacted your representative and senator..here's 2 easy links...easy instructions


https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml house

http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm senate.

Why was Tracy McLaughlin not called as a prosecution witness to testify.  Tracy account is not hearsay.  Tracy was there.  She observed.  She heard.

Tracy's testimony could have disputed the defence's opening statement that alleged that George was present when Caylee drowned ... the defence's opening statement that alleged that George was a participant in the disposal of Caylee's remains.

Janet

+++++


TRACY MCLAUGHLIN

DR. DREW
After the Anthony Verdict; Inside the Anthony Home
Aired July 8, 2011 - 21:00   ET

<snipped>

MCLAUGHLIN: We had -- I`ll go back to -- the first morning I was there, I woke up to George screaming at Casey.

PINSKY: The first morning?

MCLAUGHLIN: The very first morning.

PINSKY: What was he screaming about?

MCLAUGHLIN: "Where is my granddaughter? What have you done with her? I know you`re lying. Quit lying."

It was just this huge deal. "Quit lying to me. Where`s my granddaughter?"

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/08/ddhln.01.html

I sent to house.  But looks like the senate link is not a good one. Edit -correction per lilme, the link works.

Thank You!!
Was on line trying to find this stuff......
Sent 2 letters out......
 ::CowboySmiley::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

BIG SIGH

oops my bad I really made a mess of that didn't I.  Link does work

I watched that last night.. didnt move, didnt type.. she had my total attention and it was chilling..she had Tracy put the wristwatch on her ankle so they would match..wtf???
I seem to be thinking and writing wtf alot lately

Babybear, Bobo fumbled, faked, lied and lazyassed his way to a 'win'... I despise him

Just posted on Alabama. A bill will be introduced in the next session.

I will be calling N.Carolina's Government office to see what we are doing on this law, I am also praying that if it is past they will be able to apply it to AB and EB for not reporting poor Zahra does anyone know if this will be possible?

I do agree with her wrt June 24th dumping Caylee's remains. When George was home and wanted his gas cans, KC panicked, drove down to Suburban Drive, threw the bags into the woods/swamp, drove back & threw the gas cans @ George and said "here's your *edit language* gas cans".

Ditto!

::rhino::

I just did in NY.

My question is: when are the next sessions?
I thought I read the other day that Florida's next session isn't until Feb. 2012.

Whatever. Some monkeys may find this interesting... I'll post the whole section since FIJA hands this stuff out all the time.

http://nowscape.com/fija/_conjur.htm

FACING CHARGES AND CONSIDERING TRIAL BY JURY?

The following is not intended to substitute for competent legal assistance, nor is it to be construed as specific legal advice. However, we offer some observations which may be of general interest.

Ask to sign the relevant paperwork for a jury trial immediately upon being charged. You can decide not to follow through later on, but it's not always possible to regain your right to trial by jury once it's been lost.

The prosecutor may pressure you to accept a plea bargain, perhaps by threatening to escalate or multiply charges if you do not accept, or by assuring you that if you go before a jury, and lose, the punishment will be much worse than if they make a deal.

You may wish to resist such intimidation, if you believe injustice is being done to you. Consider that if you plead guilty to breaking an unpopular law, you lengthen the time that you and everyone else will be subject to it, because neither you nor a jury will have an opportunity to express your opinion of it. And if your plea "bargain" includes a felony count, you're also giving up--without a fight--your right to vote, or serve on a jury, hold public office, or own a firearm.

The so-called "FIJA defense", in which activists make a deliberate attempt to educate your trial jurors in their right to judge the law itself, and to vote on the verdict according to conscience, is gaining in popularity and effectiveness. We see more and more "hung juries" and outright acquittals of individuals charged with violating unpopular (usually political, or victimless crime) laws, or who were subjected to unconstitutional police procedures.

The first phase is to create an awareness in the community about the real extent of the power that jurors wield; the next is to supply detailed information directly to the jurors who will actually hear your case. The first phase can be done by calling in to radio talk shows, writing letters to the editor, leafleting, advertising--whatever your time and money will permit. The second is best done by getting friends, family, or fellow FIJA activists to show up at the courthouse when your jury is being selected, to hand "True or False?" or other materials to the incoming jury pool--which usually means being there from about 7:30 to 9:00 am.

Occasionally, leafleters will be hassled by the authorities, but to date no one has been convicted of anything for passing out FIJA brochures. In US v. Grace, 1983, the Supreme Court determined that the sidewalks around a courthouse are a "free speech zone", and it seems that the word has gotten around to most of the nation's courts, punctuated by the fact that in those few cases where arrests have been made, the authorities are now facing lawsuits...ore perhaps it's merely that prosecutors have reasoned (correctly) that if they arrest FIJA leafleters, the leaflets will have to be given to the leafleter's own jury as evidence...

You can also spread information which argues that the law you're accused of breaking is a poor one, at the same time you inform people about jury power. FIJA "combines well" with many "causes", especially those which involve reforming laws, although FIJA doesn't itself take sides on any law. NOTE: Distributing material pertaining to a particular law or case may increase the chances of being charged with jury tampering, so proceed at your own risk. We recommend that you only distribute FIJA literature in front of the courthouse.

You may be accused of an offense which does not invoke your right to trial by jury itself. FIJA has future plans to deal with this gross violation of your individual rights, but for the moment there is little that can be done. If you plan to break a law of one kind or another and "fight for justice in the courts" on behalf of one cause or another, therefore, it will pay you to check ahead of time to see what kind of offense you'll have to commit in order to get a trial by jury--and then make sure that jury is fully informed.

And don't expect it to be easy to make your argument in court. You may not even be allowed to tell the jury why you did it, let alone what's wrong with the law or what the Constitution says. The jury will hear and see only the evidence and testimony allowed by the judge, and further restricted by the prosecutor. And you'll be facing jurors who have been both told and sworn by the judge to "follow the law as given", and told they "should" (sometimes even "must") find you guilty if the evidence supports a conviction.

Under these circumstances, about the only way to "inform" the jury, once in court, is to hint at their power during voir dire (jury selection), then explain it during closing arguments--at least until the gavel slams down and you're threatened with contempt of court if you or your attorney continues! Take heed: contempt of court charges do not entail a trial by jury, just a show-cause hearing and judgment by the bench!

You're not so likely to be stopped or threatened with contempt if you use part of your jury selection time, opening and especially closing remarks to remind your jurors about their role as the "conscience of the community", how the jury is an important player in our system of justice, that the jury stands as an important buffer between the accused person and the power of the government, and that these are the reasons America uses jurors, not computers, to judge a case.

In short, without hitting the nail on the head and therefore being silenced, you're saying things which can help the jurors gain self confidence and a sense of power and independence--and gambling that some of them may begin considering about why they're there. Besides, everything you're saying is not only true, it shows your respect for the jurors and the jury system, which is something the prosecution is not likely to do.

If you need more information on how to inform your jurors during the trial, FIJA stocks and sells tapes of talks on the subject by attorney Tony Serra and law professor Steve Herzberg. They're intended primarily for other attorneys, but that could include your attorney--or you, if you plan to defend yourself pro se or pro per. To order, call FIJA National Headquarters at 406-793-5550. Or, if time is not of the essence, call FIJA's toll-free introductory information line, 1-800-TEL-JURY. After a short taped message, leave your name and address, and you will receive hard copy of this and other articles contained in the FIJA "Jury Power Information Kit", complete with an order blank which includes not only the tapes mentioned above, but many other useful materials and supplies.

Finally, if what you want from your jury trial is justice, then FIJA wishes you every success!

'Caylee's Law' Bill Planned In Pa.

PHILADELPHIA - There is a push for a federal "Caylee's law" making it a felony for parents to not report a missing child.

In the wake of Casey Anthony's acquittal on the most serious charges related to her daughter's death, "Caylee's law" has gained over 330,000 signatures on Change.org.

The petition was created by Michelle Crowder, of Oklahoma. In addition to making prompt notification of missing children mandatory, the petition also calls for strict penalties when parents do not quickly report the death of a child.

There are some questions about constitutionality of it.

But Philadelphia state Sen. Larry Farnese said on Facebook he plans to introduce his own "Caylee's law" legislation right here in Pennsylvania.

thanks...I reported it....however if you go to the top right of the page...there's a box that says find you senators....there's a drop down ....find your state and then click GO...it will take you to your senator's link.....click where it says web form and that will take you to your senator's contact page...

The Rep introducing the bill in Alabama will introduce it in the next regular session in 2012 or if a special session is called before.

On my out to go do something positive for my family. See y'all later
Love you Monkeys!!  ::boxinggeraldo2::  ::boxingbaez2::  ::boxingcasey2::

Klaasend, would you please remove my post stating Senate link is not good.  It does state error 404 when you click on it but it works. I don't want others to be confused. Please.  Thank you!!!  Edited to correct. MB

This is why the former Juror (in Italy) missed the "fun" back in the jury Hotel.  She needs to pay for special meals on vacation.:)

I have not seen anything about my state but I did send my letters! 

I think I have some connection to some folks who know Rascal Flatts. I am making every effort to contact them to become the face of this effort for caylee's law. RF are just huge in the Country music industry, in the US and world.

Sadly, most laws like Caylee's law are done by the parents or family members like Megan's law, the Amber Alert and Jessica's law. However, in this case, it takes others outside the family to provide JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE as the Anthony family only appears to want to copyright the phrase, not actually do anything about it.

Monkeys, we need your perseverance more than ever. Turn that anger in what happened to Caylee and this misguided jury into something that will protect children an eternity.

We heart you too flamom. Have a beautiful day!

why would she stay with Cindy when her disability check isn't worth stealing?  She has Mason with a much bigger wallet & easier to get to!

I watched last night something on TV, I was so mesmerized - I did not pay attention to the station.
Did I hear granny say, "She must have hated her mother more than she loved her daughter"?
The statement stuck in my heart like a stake.

Titch,

I believe they wanted to go on vacation :)

The more i hear Jesse Grund's story of being on the coach with Casey when Cindy and Casey got into it where Cindy called her a failure ... "why would you ever want to be with someone who is a failure and can't even afford to pay me back ..."

It was Cindy who basically made Casey have Caylee. You cannot tell me that in some way Casey did not kill Caylee out of spite to get even with Cindy. She knew that Caylee was loved more than her by Cindy & George.

This is why she was so able to go out and party for 31 days and do nothing as we know now Casey knew all along that Caylee was dead and where she was. The fact that the jury could not figure this out defies logic.

Have to stay on top of them, put a fire under their butts....
Would they want to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on court cases in the future. 
PLUS this law would help cut down child trafficking.  How much is spent on that each year, I have no clue...

 ::CowboySmiley::

http://www.tmz.com/2011/07/09/casey-anthony-jerry-springer-show-million-dollar-offer/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/07/09/casey-anthony-jerry-springer-show-million-dollar-offer/)

"Jerry was his usual jovial self yesterday when he explained he thought Casey shouldn't profit from what she did (or didn't do). Jerry said very directly, "God as my witness, I would never interview her. You could pay me the million dollars, I wouldn't do it."

LOL  ::MonkeyDance::

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20110709/APA/1107090645
Anger over Casey Anthony verdict pours out online
By KYLE HIGHTOWER and MATT SEDENSKY
Associated Press
Published: Saturday, July 9, 2011 at 10:30 a.m.
Last Modified: Saturday, July 9, 2011 at 10:30 a.m.

Is it possible that Baez worked with ABC for the first juror interview in the event of a not guilty verdict?  The juror(s) were told (obviously I'm reaching here - but could still happen) after selected but before sequestered. That "trip" and others were in the back of their minds.  Or even someone working for ABC etc got to a juror.  Let's face it.  An interview with a "Not Guilty" juror pulls alot more viewers than a "Guilty" one.  I think someone should look into the time they were selected to the time they were sequestered.  Heck look into them all - bank accounts & everything.

 ::MonkeyMad::
Sorry, while FIJA may be interesting to a point, I do not agree with their organization. Edit to remove derisive remarks about some religious groups.  It's okay to disagree, but not okay to disparage them.  MB

I believe if someone needs to be convicted, then damn well do it. Jurors should not think it's ok to let people off simply bc they believe the punishment is too harsh. These imbecile jurors aren't even supposed to consider the punshment during deliberations! Deliberations take place to find if the Defendant is culpable of the crime(s) charged with!

Check out this link & snippet:
 ::MonkeyMad::

http://nowscape.com/fija/_cross.htm


TRANSCRIPT OF A PORTION OF "CROSSFIRE" SHOW, OCT. 1993.

Participants:

The hosts, Michael Kinsley and John Sununu

U.S. District Judge Stanley Sporkin, District of Columbia

Former Attorney General William Barr

Discussing the wisdom of mandatory minimum laws in drug cases...

KINSLEY: Are we getting folks that are being let off because the sentences are too

tough?

JUDGE SPORKIN: Absolutely. Every day in the District of Columbia. The juries

there who understand what's going on now are acquitting people that should be

convicted.

And that's another problem that you have. And there's nothing you can do

about it. There's no appeal to that. And it's happening every single day.

Look at your conviction rate. It's way down in the District of Columbia.

BARR: Jury nullification is a problem in many jurisdictions.

KINSLEY: Well what are you going to do about it?

BARR: Well, I, I...

KINSLEY: Isn't it an inevitable thing if... (Everyone talking at once)

SUNUNU: Isn't the jury taking care of the concerns you've raised? Aren't they, as

representatives of the people, doing what you want to do?

SPORKIN: No, nobody here is saying that these people ought not to go to jail. But

two years, three years, not 15, not 20 years...

Well anyone that bags,duct tap and throws their child in a swampy area to be eaten by animals, bugs, insects to me doesn't love her child at all...
Who does that.......
kc ONLY loves herself period..... ::MonkeyMad::

I'm having trouble finding links that aren't expired, but this can help you Google if you want more info...  Apparently at one time Fox 35 did a report about Tracy depositing money in Casey's jail account (one date was 3/24/09 under the name "Tracy Conroy").  The defense also had copies of letters Tracy wrote Casey in jail praising her, saying she was strong, admired her / wanted to help her, etc.   So between the connection to Padilla, and Tracy playing to both sides, it could have been a minefield for the prosecution.

As far as I am concerned on the jury is that they did not do their job. They only were sequestered and lived pretty good for 6 weeks. They were lazy, couldn't comprehend the experts information put before them. I was worried when the reporters in the courtroom would post they weren't taking notes. Sometimes a few would but I don't think they did during the scientific evidence testimony and that was the most important. They can be paid for interviews and defend themselves on media as much as they want but they did not do their job that they took an oath to do.

Red, I pray you are successful with RF.  I have never written letters or committed myself to anything like this before but I started writing two nights ago. 

Red, I DO have a contact with someone close to Rascal Flats.......they bought the home in Nashville owned by one of the band members, and this man (can't remember which band member it is but I can find out), anyway he helps her with her mixing, songwriting etc. Her name is Pearl Clarkin and they live here on the beach and split time between here and Nashville. If you want I can get in touch with her as I know her family well, her mom is a friend and her brother is in my son's class at school. Get my email addy from Klass and let me know what you want me to do, I can talk to him myself and/or hook him up with you. We MUST do something to protect our children, especially from those who have a "mother" for lack of a better word like poor Caylee, her death must not be in vain and it's up to all of us to make sure it is not!

No wonder the deliberations went so quickly.  Chik-Fil-A for lunch?  Totally unacceptable!   :smt013

I get it.

Thanks shutterblog

Janet

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28493987/index.html
1st Judge In Casey Anthony Case Discusses Trial
Judge Stan Strickland discusses the Casey Anthony murder trial.

Agree! I think Cindy talked her into keeping Caylee, instead of adopting out. I think it's one of the reasons Cindy kept it secret, even though she says she didn't. She didn't want to be "embarassed" if Casey gave her child up so she just kept it secret...until she talked her into keeping Caylee.

For those that don't know, I just created a separate sub forum (up by the trial archives) for Caylee's Law by State:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=82.0

yes and sadly the same can probably be said for several other witnesses who could have helped the state's case. 

Been working on it since I brought it up last night.

Any contact info you have, please send to my email ... red@scaredmonkeys.com

Better yet, I have your ... will contact you directly.

we do not want any addresses or tel #'s on line ... thanks.

AGREED!

It sickens me that Cindy would rush off to jail to see Casey. What a disgrace. What, she figured because she lied and perjured herself for Casey, that she would be back in the good graces of the sociopath?

Hey Muffy. I just wanted to say I'm sorry about my post on the last page. I have no problem at all with diversified religion, or even atheist groups. I was talking about that group that pickets outside of servicemen funerals & such. They add more pain to what the families & loved ones of the deceased are going through. I don't know their name, only their religion. Also, I know that not all of that certain denomination have those same beliefs. I was trying to think of that name but forgot, so that's why I wrote that.

Truly sorry, don't want anybody to think negative.

XOX!  ::MonkeyAngel::

You probably meant Westboro Baptist Church, Titch. 

I wonder if the (former) juror who is on vacation in Italy, if she tried to get a free meal (on vacation) by telling the chef that she served on the Anthony case?  I wonder if the chef tossed her out like a meatball.  How else would anyone know she served as a juror, unless she told people? Remember (reportly) she was afraid to leave her hotel, she commented that she had more “fun”back at the (jury) Hotel, than she did in Italy.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/07/casey-anthony-stan-strickland-calls-belvin-perry-the-best-judge-around.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+entertainment%2Ftv%2Ftvguy+%28TV+Guy%29
Casey Anthony: Stan Strickland calls Belvin Perry ‘the best judge around’
Caylee and Casey Anthony, Jose Baez, NBC, Today, WESH, WKMG — posted by halboedeker on July, 9 2011 9:53 AM
 ::snipping2::
But Pipitone sat down with Strickland, who raved over Perry.  ”Judge Perry is an institution,” Strickland told Pipitone. ” He’s, for my money, the best judge around. There’s a reason he’s the chief judge. He did a great job on this case.”
 ::snipping2::
In other Anthony news:

WFTV-Channel 9 legal analyst Bill Sheaffer is predicting that Judge Perry won’t follow through on threats, made during the trial, to hold Baez in contempt of court for trying to ask surprise questions of expert witnesses. Punishing Baez now might seem like penalizing the defense attorney for succeeding, Sheaffer said

Stations keep saying they will provide full coverage of Anthony’s release from the Orange County Jail on Sunday, July 17.  But many are speculating that date may be a decoy, Beth Karas of “In Session” told NBC’s “Today” this morning.

“I don’t know for sure,” Karas said. “I think the 17th indeed may be the date. They could get her out in the early morning hours any time after midnight. They could also sneak her out so the media that will be staking out all sorts of exits at the jail will miss it.”

WFTV’s Sheaffer predicted that the defense team will probably send in a hair stylist and makeup artist for Anthony’s exit.

Will Casey keep the Morticia Addams hair or not?

Westboro Baptist Church.

That's it! Thank you! Again, I apologize.  ::MonkeyWink::

901,000 and still counting..

Caylee's Law.................................

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Yes, Shirley Pleasea, Cindy's mother,  said that.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/07/casey-anthony-discussions-on-this-week-reliable-sources-sen-bill-nelson-on-face-the-nation.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+entertainment%2Ftv%2Ftvguy+%28TV+Guy%29
Casey Anthony discussions on ‘This Week,’ ‘Reliable Sources’; Sen. Bill Nelson on ‘Face the Nation’
ABC, CNN, Caylee and Casey Anthony, Face the Nation, Fox, Fox News Sunday, Meet the Press, NBC, Reliable Sources, State of the Union, This Week, WESH, WFTV, WKMG, WOFL — posted by halboedeker on July, 9 2011 11:42 AM

I have one more comment of the day :)

If Michael, supposedly, the father of Caylee Marie, (according, to claims from the new Grandma) if he supported his
Daughter, we may not be in this mess.  There are "two people" who make a baby, and the second one (if it is him), is at fault, too.

Caylee was a year and half, when Michael passed away, he had plenty of time to fight for his daughter in court, if he believed
he was her father.  The new grandma could and should have insisted that he pay child support, or she could have started a little savings for the child.

Please, remember, (hate me if you must), but their was a second person and that was the father and his mother who knew and
Did nothing to help Caylee.  IMO

If anybody has a question with regards to jury nullification, or jury tampering, you may find this link interesting...especially if you take into consideration the recent multiple interviews and their "choice" wording. Hmmm...I'm thinking Janet might love this bit of info...

http://nowscape.com/fija/_fija94.htm

WHAT, NEW FIJA BILL LANGUAGE?

After five years, you'd think we'd have settled by now on the "optimal" language for FIJA legislation. Frankly, we thought we had it down pretty pat, but then we read an academic article about our own efforts---constructive criticism--and put our thinking caps back on.

The article is by M. Kristine Creagan, and is titled "Jury Nullification: Recent Legislative Developments". It appeared in last winter's Case Western Reserve University Law Review. From it we excerpted and printed the conclusion, which consisted of new suggested wording, and printed that wording in the previous (the Spring, 1994) FIJActivist.

It contains several ideas which got our attention, some of which we accepted and built into the new bill language presented below, which we just recently sent, with accompanying commentary explaining why we changed the proposal as we did, to 60 state coordinators and other activists around the country. Have a look:

PROPOSED 1994-1995 FULLY INFORMED JURY BILL LANGUAGE

"An accused or aggrieved party's right to trial by jury, in all instances where the government or any of its agencies is an opposing party, includes the right to inform the jurors of their power to judge the law as well as the evidence, and to vote on the verdict according to conscience.

"This right shall not be infringed by any statute, juror oath, court order, or procedure or practice of the court, including the use of any method of jury selection which could preclude or limit the empanelment of jurors willing to exercise this power.

"Nor shall this right be infringed by preventing any party to the trial, once the jurors have been informed of their powers, from presenting arguments to the jury which may pertain to issues of law and conscience, including (1) the merit, intent, constitutionality or applicability of the law in the instant case; (2) the motives, moral perspective, or circumstances of the accused or aggrieved party; (3) the degree and direction of guilt or actual harm done; or (4) the sanctions which may be applied to the losing party.

"Failure to allow the accused or aggrieved party or counsel for that party to so inform the jury shall be grounds for mistrial and another trial by jury."

NOTES:

By couching its provisions in terms of the rights of the accused or aggrieved person, instead of the jury, this language avoids several problems inherent in earlier versions:

It makes presentation of the power of nullification an option of the accused or aggrieved person, not a mandate for the judge. This should assuage some of the opposition judges have voiced, to the effect that they would have to give nullification instructions whether or not desired by the defendant, whether or not relevant to the case at hand, and whether or not in the interest of justice, as they see it. In an era of mandatory sentencing guidelines and "three strikes you're out", judges have expectably come to resent loss of control and discretion in their courtrooms. To add one more thing they would "have to do", whether or not it makes sense, can only increase that resentment.

Additionally, as an option of the accused or aggrieved person, the "risk" of reminding the jury of its power is properly borne by the opponent of the government, but is no more forced upon him or her than upon the trial judge.

It avoids the issue of "right" versus "power": the accused or aggrieved person clearly has "rights", and the jury's prerogative to judge both law and fact in deciding a verdict can therefore be called a "power" without ruffling the sensitivities of those who insist that it is not a right, and that there is some kind of difference between a right and a power.

It deals with the issue of juror disqualification in terms that make good sense--by basing it on the defendant's right to a fair and impartial hearing, rather than insisting upon a juror's "right to be seated despite his views", an assertion which is harder to establish and defend, and which in practice might actually work against the accused or aggrieved person in some instances, to the dismay of his or her attorney.

I agree with you. I suspect that there was a deal made with him that if he stayed away and did not interfere he would not have to pay child support. Young (and some old) guys will often buy that BS.

OMG! This is amazing!
 ::MonkeyDance::

I agree with you.  Only we have no proof that this guy is the father, and he didn't tell his mother. She told NG that she only put 2-and-2 together after she heard about this on the news..  and that her son used to visit family down in the Orlando area, so its possible.  I don't know that she ever said she knew of Casey, much less that her son could have possibly fathered a child.  If he was the dad and knew about it, he's probably just like any number of young dads out there who could care less that they have offspring. They get a girl pregnant and are probably overjoyed when the mother tells them they don't need to provide help of any kind.  If he was the dad but didn't know, well, it's a shame.

It doesn't seem like the Anthonys will do anything to help this woman determine if Caylee is/was her granddaughter.

We don't know he wasn't and Casey was using the money else wheres, but then again Casey said the father didnt know about Casey.

Thanks, Babybear. 

I hear ya, but I don't understand why Casey wouldn't demand help, though.  Or why Cindy wouldn't have demanded Casey collect child support. It's not like Casey was a strong, independent woman with steady income. She lived off her parents, for crying out loud. 

 ::MonkeyCool::   Thank you for the long & informative post---very enlightening food for thought.   

Yes, and CA probably threatened to choke him if he ever reappeared. :) CA should have been the first to demand who the father was, she being a nursie, if Caylee would have needed a kidney donor or anything serious, to find the father for that reason alone.  Thanks for your response, Boyzmom.

I suppose it's cheaper not to go after a guy for child support.. Cindy and George couldn't have afforded a lawyer, and neither could Casey. 

I don't get this juror Dean was he an alterant or a juror? He said "WE" were waiting through the trial for the loaded gun.. how would he know through the trial what each juror was waiting for? If they hadnt talked to each other about the case?
He also said she was young and pretty, and didnt seem she was the type to kill her daughter. Then he said yes they believed she was a lier, but even though she partied for 31 days didnt mean she neglected Caylee,
How does a person think this way?

Paradigm Talent Agency Decides Not to Represent Casey Anthony Lawyer Jose Baez … Casey Anthony Cashing In Too?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/07/09/paradigm-talent-agency-decides-not-to-represent-casey-anthony-lawyer-jose-baez-casey-anthony-cashing-in-too/

Defense attorney Jose Baez just learned how much of a small fish he really is in the grand scope of things. Baez was cast aside by Paradigm as his client as easy as Casey Anthony case her 2 year old daughter away in a swamp. A little poetic justice if you ask me. Let’s face it, Jose Baez benefited from a jury that seems to be the only 12 people in America in one location that think Casey Anthony was not guilty of a felony crime.

Profiting off the death of Caylee Anthony might be also a difficult proposition for Casey as well. It was said that Casey was supposed to get $1 million from the Jerry Springer show. However, Jerry Springer has come back and made a statement that said in no way have they offered a deal to Casey to appear on their show with George and Cindy Anthony.As stated at TMZ (VIDEO) Springer said, “God as my witness, I would never interview her. You could pay me the million dollars, I wouldn’t do it.”

 ::snipping2::

Good question.

I'm sorry, but I really hate it when people talk about how young and beautiful Casey is.. and that people are less likely to convict people like that.  Really? She's that hot?  ::MonkeyEek::

The failure to understand or follow jury instructions is NOT jury nullification PER SE.  Jury nullification is much more than not following the rules. It is the conscious decision that the law is that the person is guilty, that the state has proved their case and yet, you find the law objectionable and therefore, acquit. In this case the jury has said that they did not feel the prosecution proved their case. They believed that there had to be a CAUSE of death proven. This was a mistake or failure to listen to the instructions on their part - not a thought out decision that the law was objectionable.  Therefore, it was NOT jury nullification. It was pure stupidity.

Currently, there is almost no jurisdiction you can argue jury nullification in to the jury. The courts have repeatedly ruled that the jury may not be told about being able to nullify. The simple fact is, however, jury nullification is and was designed to be, the last protection of the people from unjust government.  Remember too that this was not a case of anti death penalty since the jury had the right to give the sentencing recommendation to the court and knew this.

I know that many of you feel that this is a case of JN. I just really do not see it. I really do not believe that the jury gave enough thought to the verdict and the law to make that choice. I really really think it was pure and simply that they did not want to do the job and wanted to go home. I think a close second is that the jury was "gotten to" somehow.

Yes!!  Please do that!    ::MonkeyCool::

I have been trying to find out if this was a jury trial or just a judge trial anyone know?

I don't think Casey had any idea who the father was.  It could have been one of many.

Canal Winchester here;  HI!   ::HelloKitty::

I tend to agree..but things are dying down.  Initial outrage on FB then it was over.  Yesterday I posted this comment from an instructor at OSU;
A friend of mine just posted this on her page...You have to love Ohio State!!! Never at a loss for words!
my teacher just introduced the term chlorophyll in our bio class and followed it up with, "not be confused with chloroform, so if you go searching for chlorophyll on your computer, and chloroform comes up, don't click on it (80 times) unless you want to get away with murdering your child"--i love college....

http://www.wesh.com/r/18973853/detail.html
 ::snipping2::

Cindy Anthony's mother interviewed:

Investigators talked to Shirley Plesea, who is Cindy Anthony's mother on Aug. 21. Plesea said Cindy Anthony would give her life for Caylee. But Plesea agreed that Cindy Anthony changed her story during the investigation. Plesea said, "If she doesn't believe Casey then Caylee's dead. Honest to God that's my feeling." She also said about Casey, "I just wonder if she hated her mom more than she loved Caylee." Plesea said she got goose bumps when Cindy Anthony informed her Casey was in jail and Caylee had been missing for a month. Plesea said that, in June, Cindy Anthony made it clear that she wanted custody of Caylee. Then, she said, Casey Anthony promised day after day to bring Caylee home, but never did. Plesea said she thinks Casey Anthony did that to torment her mother. Pleasea said she believes the unemployed 22-year-old may have stolen as much as $45,000 from her parents, possibly by taking out credit cards in Cindy Anthony's name. The mounting bills forced Cindy Anthony to tap into her 401K, and nearly cost the Anthonys their home on Hopespring Drive. The grandmother said she first learned of Casey Anthony's thievery when she discovered she had stolen one of her checks and spent $54 to buy a cake and party favors for Caylee's 2nd birthday and then wrote another check from Plesea's account for $354 to pay her cell phone bill. Investigators talked with Plesea on the same day Casey Anthony bonded out of jail. Her grandmother told investigators she wasn't happy about that. In fact, to get to the truth, she suggested it might do Casey Anthony some good to get "beat up" behind bars. She said her last words to Casey Anthony were, "I love you, but I don't like you."


A person who lies and steals  (and apparently kills) like Casey does, won't change their spots.  We will see her in trouble in the future. 

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/news/18973853/detail.html#ixzz1Rd5UQobL

In Ohio, you can apply for public assitance and they will do the dna testing for free.

Afternoon everyone..........she did indeed sell out, trying to make people think they were sick at their stomachs and crying? And yet you can go to Disney World and have fun? Are you kidding me? The rest of us are still trying to cope with what we know happened to Caylee,speaking for myself, it's hard to function and concentrate on anything and sleep doesn't come easy either, to go to Disney World on the heels of their verdict shows they never once considered Caylee in any of this, I don't know how this juror can live with herself knowing she had fun because a little baby girl died by the hands of her mother and was thrown in the woods to rot like garbage, it is beyond my comprehension which I guess is a good thing because I never want to be able to think like any of them, the jurors, Casey, Cindy, George, Baez, Mason and all the rest that defend that baby killer, so maybe I should just stop trying to rack my brain since I'm never going to find the answer I want. JMO

::MonkeyDevil::  I think I like your professor. :P

(I'm near Easton.  ::HelloKitty:: )     

By the look of the pictures I think Bozo knew IMO
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Do you think Cindy would allow that? I don't Cindy would of been scared one of her co-workers, friends, family would of found out.  She had an image to uphold

I saw his face, and I took it as "God I hope you guys picked my version of events!"..  not sure if he knew or not, but I thought Simms looked like she thought Casey was going down.

http://nowscape.com/fija/_coord.htm

FIJA STATE COORDINATORS AND CONTACTS

FLORIDA *Bob Matthews (904) 489-4898  
      14888 SW 111th St.  
      Dunnelon, FL 34432  
 
     Ken Wise    (813)239-9557  
     Jon Asfour    (904)378-6370  
     James M. Ray  (305)667-2281  
     Michael Holland  (904)375-6121  
     Dr. Bruce Vinikas (407)869-9900

Bozo looks like the cat who ate the mouse :)

 ::MonkeyCool::

I thought of that, Jazzy.  She could have received money (under the table) for her daughter.  I should not assumed, and that he did not make payments.   ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/news2011/Baez-finger-guns-0705_rdax_676x456.BMP)

Yep, I agree! Nice pic of Baez the morning of the verdict. since this pic was taken before the NG verdict was read, I think he knew.

Something went wrong somewhere with this family. Cindy married this weak, wimpy man, Cindy earns the living and controls the money. FOLLOW THE MONEY. ::MonkeyShocked::

I think Baez and the others are throwing this crap around, start the bidding high and hope they get offered big bucks for interviews but I truly think they will all be surprised, America has spoken and we are disgusted and it's the whole country that says we will not tolerate money being made from Caylee's death, I truly think if we never thought our opinions or votes counted in the past, it will this time if we turn the channel every time they put on the defense team or anything to do with them, don't buy the mags, the books, don't watch the movies, nothing that greases the hands of these bottom feeders......JMO

Would you need to find out who the father was in case of a medical emergency?  I realize Caylee may
not have needed a kidney donor as a toddler, but would it be wise to have the fathers name, on the record?  I just can not
see Cindy being the tyrant (as claimed )to be just not pushing futher who the father was, in case of a dire emergency, even
I would do that. Unless, of coarse, it was Mr. Invisible :)

Certainly makes logical sense.   Add Geraldo to the mix tooting his horn.

What are these for???

Alabama was the first to announce, I believe.    ::MonkeyCool::

30 minutes ago, on HLN, Jane Valez said 99% of the anger is over, except for a few wing nuts.

I resent that, plus, she is just plain wrong. If I wasn't angry, I would not be signing petitions, researching legal issues, contact state officials, on and on.

It seems like every time she comes on she says something stupid and I don't know why. Vinnie Politan tries to coral her, but he's a nice guy, trying to walk a tight rope, so he can't just say, "Jane, you don't know what you're talking about."

Whew!    ::MonkeyMad::

I think SinSin made JoJo this weak wimpy man.

The dude that was arrested during jury selection was handing out FIJA pamphlets.

Casey "owned" her parents, but why?  Did she own the parents, because George and Cindy, wanted to keep Caylee in their care?

B has a link to anther Mrs Plesea earlier interview, but you need to click "yourself" to read one of them.  
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/23/caseycaylee-anthony-case-grams-shirley-plesea-is-our-hero/
Edit-fix quote MB

Some women are really good at emasculating their men.

As for Casey and this Matthew guy..  unless she had him sign away his parental rights, he could have come back to claim his child (or at least make the attempt) at any time, correct?   My sister is in CA, and her ex wasn't able to pay child support, so she never asked for it. But she also had him sign a document giving up any legal right to his child.  Casey risked having whoever the father might have been come back and perhaps sue for custody.

All jmo
I ususally take talk shows with a grain of salt so to speak, in less they have PROVEN facts..........
Well people do have life's however they are not forgetting...
Just putting their efforts towards Caylee's Law and hammering so no one profits off of Caylee's murder/death.

 ::CowboySmiley::

This is pretty common, actually. I have seen this happen first-hand with a family member.  Using the child to get money, place to live, etc..  while the grandparent is in constant threat of never being able to see that child again if they don't give their (daughter) what they want.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Untitled1b.gif)

Perjurer Cindy Anthony Writing Book Supporting Defense Claims About George

According to a cousin, Casey Anthony’s mother, Cindy, is writing a book in which she will explain how the defense claims about George in the opening statement are true.

A 2nd Cousin to Cindy called into a Houston, TX radio show (link below) stating how Cindy had a ”conference” call with only her side of the family giving details confirming to  them George’s participation as the Defense claimed in their opening statement at the murder trial.

Cindy will release these new details in a book already in the works ….  Cindy lied on the witness stand, can we believe her now ???  Is this another ploy of Cindy’s to save her daughter from the world’s hatred?

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/07/perjurer-cindy-anthony-writing-book-supporting-defense-claims-about-george/

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I had a feeling it was Cindy Anthony writing that book. ughhhhhhhhh  They all need to be locked away.

I agree, constructive anger is good, nothing would get done without passion. 

I am stunned that a law was not already in effect, I really am :)  I feel as thought, I lived in a cave, only to emerge and find out that a mother, could not be charged without reporting a child missing more than 24 hours, let alone 31 days. 

Caylee had to leave this earth to enact a Law, so sad.

Jane calling a wingnut a wingnut.... so terribly redundant. She needs to sit down, stfu, and have a nice carrot. ::MonkeyTongue::

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Ya right, come on....bunch of bull crap.
Why didn't ca throw him in jail, I sure would of.
It's not true period.....
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyJnBox::

I agree with you.  IMO-Messy relationships are nothing new, I suspect Casey's behavior escalated, until it was a point of no return.  The car Casey drove was her mothers?  If that was the case, CA should filed a report of a stolen car.
Perhaps it would have saved her grand daughter, but that would have been a bit embarrassing for A's, wouldn't it?

A jury is a body of persons selected according to the law and sworn to inquire into or determine the facts on a question or questions --- When the facts are added up in this case, I just don't see how common sense did not prevail.   That is what is making people angry--the obvious was ignored.   It is truly frustrating. 

The jury system is the best in the world and accepting a jury's verdict is what we have to do, but this verdict seemed non-sensical to the max.  The Prosecution presented a fine & intelligent case.  The Defense, on the other hand, was chaotic, sensate, and goofy.    Wondering about juryrigging isn't all that much of a leap, in my view.

There is a thing called free speech in this country. The MSM does not tell us when to begin or stop our outrage. Unlike the MSM, this is not about ratings. This is about justice for little Caylee, who got none from a Ship of Fools.

The anger we have is not to attack jurors physically, it is it get justice and be pissed that people charged with that duty did not feel it was their job to do so.

JVM can put a sock in it. Go about your sensationsit coverage of the next case ... WE THE PEOPLE will work for Justice for Caylee.

Cindy Anthony's book company - I have heard unconfirmed reports it is going to be Simon & Schuster

http://www.simonandschuster.com/about/contact_us

Right on!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Or it could be write on too!!

I was thinking that after the post that I read earlier about FIJA.

I agree. At the bottom of my business cards is printed, "The write word can make a difference."

Their a fb page, that is trying to stop the Caylee's Law.
Call team casey anthony..........

That won't last long. 
I'm got a feeling,  authorities might want to look at ALL these ppl.
 ::CowboySmiley::

It looks like they are going to get 'rolled on'

Should Florida pass 'Caylee's Law,' making failure to report a missing child a felony?

Yes (91%)

No (9%)

http://www.cfnews13.com/

It would appear to me that these 12 jurors who did not learn how to connect the dots in kindergarden are the types of people manufacturers have in mind when they put labels on my products like my hair dryer that says do not use in shower or my hot iron that says do not insert in any orifices, now I know there are really people out there who need these type of instructions, too bad the judge didn't realize that as well. JMO

Btw, if you find it please don't post on it...
Might get a virus, plus someone just wants it in the news..

Their's not one good reason NOT to want it passed.

In less you plan on killing/selling your kids or just plain out right don't want to watch them all the time.....

Do you mean the new grandma?  She claims that Caylee may  is her grand daughter?  A photo of Mr. Duggan is posted next to
Caylee.  I apologize if this has already been posted.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/28/caylee-anthony-s-daddy-solving-the-riddle.html


Is This Caylee's Daddy?

Diane Dimond

The great mystery of the Casey Anthony trial: Who fathered the 2-year-old she’s accused of murdering? Diane Dimond reveals the person whose DNA may finally solve the riddle.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/28/caylee-anthony-s-daddy-solving-the-riddle.html

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Have a good day Monkey's,

I am off the puter, I can not do two things at once :) 

Vinnie Politan always reminds us to hug the kids, good, hug the kids.  I find it is more important to watch our words to the kids.
They remember what was said and how it was used in what context.  IMO

As many people as Casey slept around with I would imagine she didn't tell him. She was engaged to Jesse at the time and had him believing he was the father until the DNA test. I would guess he didn't know.

My post was not meant to attack the idea of jury nullification.  It was to explore the possibility that someone may have unscrupulously used the idea of jury nullification to swing, seed, contaminate, or tamper with the jury in a criminal manner, which should be investigated. 

As for the death penalty bit, well -- Juror Jennifer Ford mentioned the jury not being willing to give a "punishment" if they were not 100% confident of Casey's guilt.  This is directly counter to the instructions Judge Perry gave the jury; they were advised that they were not to consider possible punishment in their deliberations.  They were to ONLY consider the facts and evidence and use their own reasoning.
 
On that note, Jennifer claimed that there was NO EVIDENCE from the State.  To most observers there did appear to be a preponderance of evidence that Casey was guilty indeed.  And yet, the jury does not seem to have examined or thoughtfully considered any of that evidence.
 
On the other hand, they do seem to have unanimously entertained and felt more able to very quickly accept the wild (and IMO untrue) theory JB unveiled in his opening statement... but which he did not present any evidence to prove!  IMO, it just does not make any sense, unless there was some explanation that has not yet been revealed. 

The jury pretty obviously did not follow the judge's instructions.  I was trying to figure out why a jury might do that, other than just stupidity, and my research led me to a controversial subject I was not familiar with:  jury nullification as a Constitutionally rendered and protected 'power' of a jury, along with the activism that could be exploited to "get to" a jury somehow.

Hope I did not offend you!  People certainly do have widely differing beliefs about this kind of thing.  In fact, I saw that several details and finer points in some of the explanations I'm finding online are not exactly the same as those you spelled out.  Thank you for providing your knowledge on this subject.

You suggested "stupidity" or "gotten to somehow" as possible explanations for the jury's baffling behavior and verdict.  In my earlier post, I was simply trying to explore that second possibility.  Grasping for an answer here.

Further to post #209, here's more...

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I wouldn't read a friggin postcard any of the Anthonys wrote.  I could never believe a thing from them.  I think we should write to the prosecutor's office and demand that Cindy faces charges.  The law is the law and she broke it!!

We all know Cindy is Queen liar. Hell, the State proved it in court ON THE RECORD!
Won't read any book Cindy writes as we know it will be pure FICTION!
This family is worse than evil!

In my long post on page 2 of this thread, there are links to arguments on the part of certain proponents of jury nullification who assert that violating the juror's oath is acceptable or justifiable perjury, or that the oath is taken under duress and is therefore invalid, or that the oath is illegally given or unconstitutional and is therefore moot.

So some people who endorse JN feel that the oath is meaningless and that their purpose or right to exercise their perceived constitutional 'power' outweighs the little white lie, or forgivable perjury of violating the jurors' oath.

Here is a snippet, but the question of whether it is illegal or unconscionable to violate the juror's oath is discussed in more detail at the link:

"If the wording of the oath poses some conflict with the jury's constitutional prerogative to nullify, it is clear which one must yield the right of way. ..."  http://www.lawandliberty.org/jurynul2.htm

If Cindy writes a book implicating George, supporting the DT opening statement, then IMHO she is as deranged as her daughter.  I have felt bad for both Cindy and George off and on throughout this whole ordeal - they may be enablers and liars but they're not killers. 

Somebody in Cindy's family needs to let her know that the game is over, and she needs to quit trying to protect and/or reconcile with Casey, and start telling the truth.   GAME OVER, CINDY!! GIVE IT UP!

Des - you did not offend me at all. I just would hate to see a very good concept - one that has a constitutional purpose - be blamed for a verdict like this. I feel strongly it was not jury nullification - but if I find out otherwise I will certainly admit I was wrong!  I love to take a time to explain to people what jury nullification is - for fun google the Scopes Monkey trial - interesting read!

Next thing we know, Cindy will be saying that she, too, is 'terrified' of George and that is why she kept it a secret.....until now (where are the :rolling eyes:) 


I don't think the public outrage is over. I think it will sustain through Zenaida's case, the states's potential suit for reimbursement, TES's potential suit for reimbursement, the IRS, the potential grandma's potential civil suit, maybe the Grund's for defamation, etc.....but I still hope that's just 'busy' stuff until something more earth shattering can be done against Casey (I do not mean any type of physical harm -- I'm referring to legal)

I have no legal cells in my brain chemistry, so I am not aware of all the possiblities that can provide the 'mistrial' opportunties, etc.,  so thanks to all of you that are educating me :-)

 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/how-a-casey-anthony-interview-209342#comments
How a Casey Anthony Interview Could Backfire on News Orgs
7:36 PM 7/8/2011 by Marisa Guthrie
"It’s complicated any time you’re paying somebody who everybody thinks is a killer,” says one booker.

Three days after being acquitted of capital murder charges in the 2008 death of her two-year-old daughter Caylee Anthony, Casey Anthony is officially a pariah.
 ::snipping2::

Most JN proponents would take offense at the implication that they are not obeying instructions. Rather, the constitutional power you speak of is the power to keep the government in check. That is the duty of a jury. It is not to get guilty people off the hook - rather it is nullify (or cancel) the laws that do not comport with the Constitution or when a prosecutor fails to charge correctly. JN is very important in today's world as the government, in many cases, has taken to working as if someone is guilty of something so we will charge them with something to put them in jail. It sounds like a noble idea but I strongly believe that charges should match crimes. Take the Leona Helmsley case - she paid 100% of her taxes (in fact more than she should have) but she did not designate them on the right line on the tax forms - so the government charged her with tax fraud - to me that is wrong. If you do not pay your taxes or try to defraud it is one thing, but to pay the right amount and have an accountant screw up and then you go to jail is WRONG.

925,000 and counting............................. ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyDance::

http://www.change.org/petitions/create-caylees-law?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&utm_term=own_wall (http://www.change.org/petitions/create-caylees-law?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&utm_term=own_wall)

http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey_anthony_trial/casey-anthony-cash-trial/story?id=14035804
Casey Anthony and Others May Cash in on the Trial, Incensing the Public
By OLIVIA KATRANDJIAN
July 9, 2011

For some reason I can't put up a post in PA and NJersey for caylee's law...both states have said, fueled by verdict anger, push for 'Caylee's Law' starts in Pa., N.J.

So what do I do with the link? and article?

 ::HelloKitty::

You need to start a new topic which will open the screen where you will have to put a subject, then you can post the link in the comment section just like a regular post.

From FB - This is a supposed interview with a second cousin of Cindy's in Texas who says that George killed her and there's proof? Hmmm.... I have no idea about the validity of it, but my question is if there is proof then why wasn't it given to police. This woman says Casey and Cindy may be coming to Texas.
http://krbe.com/portals/1/audi​o/rrshow/interviews/070611_CAS​EYANTHONY_familymember.mp3 (http://krbe.com/portals/1/audi​o/rrshow/interviews/070611_CAS​EYANTHONY_familymember.mp3)

http://drdrew.blogs.cnn.com/
Video with Tracy McLaughlin
Inside The Anthony Home
July 9th, 2011
01:59 PM ET

OMG......got to be a joke.........
NO one on earth is going to believe that...
How stupid do they think the american public is??????
Get out of town....... ::MonkeyHaHa::
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

as soon as my munchkin goes to sleep tonight I'm going to hit the web too Titch!  What are your thoughts?  Do you think the media got to them before they were sequestered? Baez?  Who else could have?  The Anthonys?

Unreal

Another thing, George can be arrested then for murder......
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

That's one way of getting rid of George so ca doesn't have to give him half of everything when he's in jail and ca divorces him.................
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh, and something else that sets my hinkey meter off about these jurors is the fact that the jurors didn't want to give a press conference immediately following the verdict! Why? The media room was all set up for them and included numbered & named seats for certain media that they approved of! We were told it's bc they didn't feel safe, or they were shaken & had to calm down, or JBP didn't think it was a good idea bc of the public opinion. My question is this: I understand some jurors may not have wanted to come forward, but the jurors that didn't mind going on national news stations immediately following the verdict didn't seem to have a problem...so...Why couldn't those jurors, including the alternates, go to the media room and allow the jurors that wanted to remain anonymous just go home?

Was it because they knew they weren't getting paid if they did the interview in the court's media room instead of by the various media networks?

too funny 

yeh, the word "incredible" comes to mind.
Like I said before, they need to GIVE IT UP! Now apparently Cindy has dragged some more family members into this poo....

Desi-I'm reading you loud and clear. Someone needs to investigate who knows who /who had contact with whom prior to jury selection and after selection, but prior to sequestration. Someone needs to investigate which way our jurors were leaning prior to being chosen, particularly Russell Huekler.  Let me clearly preface this by saying I am not accusing Mr. Huekler of anything.  I am saying that is it is not unheard of in educational circles for an emotionally vested educator to hijack a public event (such as a parade, Veteran's Memorial service, jury duty, court case, etc.) to further their cause or to provoke "public discourse" on a controversial subject.  It is also not unheard for sympathetic supporters of a cause to derail a case. Our constitution needs to be amended to include a law binding jurors to obey judicial instructions to the jury, complete with long-ranging penalties for failure to do so.  The Constitutional delegates, placing a premium on personal honor and integrity themselves, failed to foresee future generations lacking those same qualities (specifically in this case, future jurists). They incorrectly assumed that those same societal values would be taught by one generation to the next. The right to be tried by a jury of one's peers never included those peers deciding to let the offender go free simply because jury members did not want to be inconvenienced.  That's my opinion.

Desi- This was an A+ post!  Thank your for "doing your homework".  It is a pleasure reading your contributions, as always.

Sorry everybody for the drive-by post.  Just had a few minutes to check in.  I look forward to reading you later!  Have a good afternoon!

These are my opinions:

Why take an oath if it doesn't mean anything to the oath-taker.
Laws are crafted and passed in legislatures--state and federal. 

To deliberately falsely take an oath is lying.
Laws should be obeyed unless/until newer laws are replaced.
Nobody is above the law---state or federal.

My honest opinion, serious humble opinion, is that several advocates knew this would be a dp case. The media sensationalized this case and the public outcry was fierce. There were, still are, a ton of missing and/or murdered children, yet Caylee became the poster child. Because of how heinous the crime scene was, the dp was added. If the dp wasn't brought to the table, all these human rights groups & legal experts wouldn't have gotten involved to the extent that they did. I think it boils down to everything human rights. They do not believe in the dp no matter how horrific the murder. These activists believe the dp is murder, so they advocate against it.

I think there's more to Casey's dysfunction than what we've seen so far. This entire family gives me the heebie jeebies!  ::MonkeyDevil::

***   "...newer laws replace the older laws."    ***

http://twitter.com/#!/bobkealing (http://twitter.com/#!/bobkealing)
bobkealing bob kealing
Just passing along what Mark Lippman just told me“@Judy3113: @bobkealing and when do any of them tell the truth.”
50 minutes ago
bob kealing
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I got a text from #CindyAnthony attorney. When asked if she has a book deal w/Simon and Schuster he said "not my clients." Denies it.
53 minutes ago
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I've not heard that.“@freelancewoman: @bobkealing is it true simonschuster offers cindyanthony $3mill bookdeal?
1 hour ago

If Cinndy writes a book like that, I think that's grounds for divorce for George--LOL.

Or alimony since he hasn't maintained a job. Remember, they were going to divorce but Cindy couldn't afford to divorce him.

I am at a loss here..why is Time Warner included in anything to do with Simon Schuster or CBS? 

They have no affiliation with either..other then 50% ownership of the CW Network.  And lets face it the CW Network is never going to be putting anything to do this whole saga on their network..it's not what they do.

CNN does come under the TIME WARNER CORPORATE UMBRELLA..but is set up under Ted Turners holdings/previous holdings.  If you are mad at CNN and their business units then fire off an email to Ted Turner.

What I find interesting is all the money ABC..which is owned by Disney...has paid to the A's and Casey since 2008..and now they
may have her first interview?  No link just heard a blurb about that..which is totally rumor at this point.

I would be very surprised if Simon Schuster had anything to do with the A's..usually the bio's/autobio's they do are Presidents, positive impact people..and those are the ones that get the big $$$ advances.  I just can't see any major publisher giving Cindy big bucks to write anything or tell her story..especially after she lied on the stand.  It's not like she has become a beloved national figure.  If she got money it would be for telling Caylee's story..and really there is enough in the public domain to be able to do that without Cindy's cooperation. 

Please, no---Texas has enough problems! [  However, Texans wouldn't put up with all those Cindy/Casey shenanigans.  LOL ]

Absolutely ......... they were not being paid in the public press conference.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Hi all,

So I am not sure what he can do but our former governor Charlie Crist works at Morgan and Morgan. I know while he was governor he helped me out with an issue and pointed me in all the right directions. I emailed him last night to see if their really is anything that can be done about the jurors among other questions. If anyone else would like to email him his email is


Charlie@forthepeople.com

That's right, all have a big shot gun in their trucks....
 ::MonkeyKiss::

Gypsy, Not everything is as the public thinks it is. CBS is affiliated with TimeWarner on more ventures than just The CW. It's hard to explain. I remember going through the major share holders back when certain stations were profiting more off of Caylee as compared to others. I remember I found out this guys name that had something to do with both corps. He was big in TruTV, HLN, CNN and sat as a major shareholder on a human rights activist group.

Well, MOST of us don't have a truck or shotguns -- but it only takes a few that do to get the message across!  ::CowboySmiley:: ::CowboySmiley::

Anothermonkey
If no one clears this up for you I will when I get there....lol  I am behind today as had puter problems.

Paradigm Talent Agency Decides Not to Represent Casey Anthony Lawyer Jose Baez … Casey Anthony Cashing In Too?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/07/09/paradigm-talent-agency-decides-not-to-represent-casey-anthony-lawyer-jose-baez-casey-anthony-cashing-in-too/

I think the American public is going to take great exception to anyone trying to cash in on the death of a 2 year old. It offends everyone's sense of common decency's and sensability. Generally speaking when books are written and movies made of such a situation, foundations are created and effort are made to help the victims of crime.

Not with this family, Casey or a bunch of defense atty's who think they have hit gold.

Then again, how could Casey Anthony help sponsor Caylee's law when it would mean she would have been convicted of a felony.

Networks and Publishing Houses beware ... your advertisers will be boycotted. No one is going to throw Caylee in a swamp again, the American people are not going to allow it.

Serenity, please take heart. Be patient...all in God's time. May WAVES of love encircle you on this day.

Gypsy, I forgot to say hi!

Sorry, I just read the rest of your post. No, I don't have anything against CNN or TimeWarner, seriously not at all. I'm just trying to investigate where some of the "drive" came from. I watch CNN, HLN (including Nancy Grace) whenever I get a chance. Matter of fact, I have it on now.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm just saying, the more money a Corp makes, the more money a shareholder has to put towards his cause. I'm just being thorough.

I posted the CBS info bc Carpe posted a rumor that Cindy is writing a book for S&S.

I do think this boils down to it being a dp case. I myself am not sure I could impose the dp, but I certainly wouldn't have acquitted Casey. I have such a big stupid bleeding heart sometimes that I become a sucker for the underdog. I didn't even budge in this case, wasn't even tempted.

I e-mailed Simon & Schuster, yesterday, voicing my complaint, but probably won't hear back from them until Monday, if at all. 

Hey guys - Is anyone else getting the feeling that something big is going to happen that will result in justice for Caylee?

Between what I've been reading here, watching on TV and all of the various petitions started, I'm getting a slow burning HOPEFUL feeling that the tide is going to turn soon.  Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I'm thinking it's more a subconscious impression that I'm receiving based on the attitudes and opinions of those I've been reading/watching.  My feelings of doom have quelled and replaced with this new sense of hope.  I don't know if it will be a legal issue or a personal one, but I've a gut feeling the other proverbial shoe is about to drop.

Anyone else feeling this way?

 ::MonkeyCool::  And Texans are too real for Casey & CinCin--they would see right through that merinque of a facade...  Aruba should be their destination of choice---where lying is an art form.

Also, I heard tge same thing about Disney/ABC.

Want me to post their Corp info?

*** meringue ***

Please don't think I am offended by yurpost Titch and please don't take offense to mine.

I am against the DP..for religious reasons..not political reasons..and I think there are many people oout there like myself that feel the same.  I would never clasify myself as an anti DP advocate, I can't abide A lyons or the ACLU..just someone that on a jury would not vote for the DP...not even in this case.

That being said..I still would have found Casey Guilty of Murder 1..and during sentencing voted LWOP.  Although I do not agree with the DP..I do agree that people like Casey should never be free in our society again because of two things..we need to be protected from them and they need to pay for the life they have taken through the accountability of being found guilty and serving the rest of their days in prison locked away from free society.

I think what we have here is 12 people who were not about accountability in the first place..they were not accountable in the way they reached the verdict nor the verdict they rendered.  They didn't follow the judges guidelines..they became uncomfortable it would seem with the task before them. 

I'm a day late and a $ short, as I'm still catching up on threads from days ago and just read this:

BBM

Excellent post.  The most concise and precise explanation of the Anthony family that I've read to date.  The part I've bolded is one thing that's always bothered me about this case.  TWO YEARS and no one ever met the nanny?  Impossible to imagine.  You think that Casey would have wanted, at some point, to introduce the nanny to the family, being that she spoke so favorably about her.  And...in all that time, IF there had been a nanny, there would have been at least one time where Casey could not pick Caylee up on time and would have to call Cindy to do so.  And you'd think that Cindy would at least have wanted the nanny's phone number in case of emergency.  Either Cindy is just one naive person or she suspected all along that there wasn't a nanny but didn't want to press the issue.

Are there any theories as to why Cindy never questioned the nanny's existence?

Just surprised they are included because I worked for them in their publishing division 10 years ago..and because of that had access to all their corporations..like getting discounted tickets, etc.  I know that CNN came from Ted Turners corporations..and I have no idea who handles that branch now.  It was a huge rivalry between CNN and Fox with Rupert Murdoch at the helm of Fox.

you (not you, pharlap, but the general "you" LOL) have to be a total a$$hole to think that it's a good idea to stop a law like this. Even if a person is addle-brained enough to believe she's innocent, there is no reason why a parent shouldn't be held responsible for not reporting a missing child or the death of a child.   ::MonkeyMad::

The car, the missing/dead grandchild, the $45k plus stolen..  they should be REALLY embarrassed. but apparently not, because Cindy's all hopped up to write a tell-all book about it.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

::MonkeyEek::a second cousin's of Cindy who somehow knows the proof?  ::MonkeyEek::

Awww, no offense at all! I was worry I may have offended you...

Also, you typed out everything that I've been thinking and feeling regarding the dp. Though I wonder how I'd feel if something heinous happened to one of my children, purposely killed for no other reason than gratification, then I'm not sure how I'd feel. I would do the same as you: convict on murder 1 then vote lwop, if the dp was granted instead then it was out of my hands.

I'm investigating...

I was going to ask how not giving somebody the DP is more of a sensation, but in this case, when everybody and their dog thought she'd get the max sentence AND penalty, NOT convicting her was about as sensational as they could possibly get. 

In my family circle ... church circle ... there are divisions regarding the death penalty issue.

Personally ... I believe that justice for for a premeditated murder demands the death penalty.  The scales of justice must balance or the victim's life has been devalued.

Nevertheless in the Casey Anthony case there were charges that the jury could have found Casey guilty ... charges where the death penalty was not an option ... charges that implied Casey would not have had a taste of freedom for a very long time.

In less than eleven hours of deliberation ...twelve jurors chose to give Casey a walking  pass.  Why?

In less than eleven hours of deliberation ALL twelve jury members made the choice to embrace ONLY the defence's opening and closing statements ... hook, line and sinker.  Why?

Janet

++++++


Jury instuctions + charges in the Casey Anthony murder trial

http://www.zimbio.com/Casey+Anthony/articles/Q6sfyR2oKyr/Jury+instuctions+charges+Casey+Anthony+murder

::MonkeyAngel::  You're sweet!  TY, Karen.  :)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/07/us/07casey.html

Quote:
In an interview at her home on Wednesday night, Lynn Ford, Jennifer Ford’s mother, said ABC did not pay Ms. Ford but treated her and four others to a trip to Disney World. ABC is a unit of the Walt Disney Company.

Why say anything at all now.
Caylee's dead.....It doesn't matter at all now.
I for one don't care who he is. 
I still say it's that black dude in a few of those pictures....

my 2 cents..... ::MonkeyDevil::

ITA..They couldn't have caused more of a hullabaloo if they tried..nothing, nada, so the defense confused them..what in the world was confusing about the prosecutions case.  It was linear..it started at day 1 June 15 and progressed through the 31 days until today really.  How could they feel George had something to do with this ie they thought he lied and make that a sticking point to not doing something to her?  This wasn't George's trial ..this was her trial..even when you have more then 1 person involved it doesn't just discount what the other has done to find the person on trial guilty. 

They really were stupid beyond belief and I would like to hear how the other jurors spin this..I think the more they talk the more we will find out.  Of course now if they think they will be paid to talk then it could be a wating game.

I been saying that something is going to happen on this case I just have a strong feeling this isnt over yet, I dont know if the jury will be investigated or what but something will be. It could have something to do with politics which as long as someone makes Casey stand up for her crime and spend 25 to 80 yrs in prison I dont care if it is politics, think on this a killer is or will be free in just a few days, with the world feeling like they do, whoever put her in jail again would be American's hero they would get put in office they were running for hands down.

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The opening day for the new Winnie the Pooh movie is July 15.

When exactly did Cindy dial 911 to report Caylee missing? Was it July15, 2008...or the 16th?

Oh how I hope they both come to Texas.  ::MonkeyCool:: Once they get here they might as well run to the border and cross into Mexico. Not one person I have talked to (including men, my coaches, friends, coworkers, and people I over hear talking about this case) would ALL slap the crap out of them if they saw them on the street.  ::MonkeyMad::

I was saying originally that this was a more shocking verdict than the OJ case. The OJ case pretty much split down racial lines. This case has outraged almost EVERYONE. It is not liberal/conservative, it is not black/white/brown. If there is one thing Caylee may always be remembered for, maybe is that it united America - even for one brief period in time. Maybe we can all come together to enact more stringent laws to prevent this from happening again. Maybe it will make all future juries more cognizant of their responsibilities.

Oh right..I knew that right away..that's why I said that day the jurors think they won the Super Bowl cause now they're going to Disney.  I guess the others got different parting gifts from Disney/ABC.  If I was Glenn Selig (sp) I wouldn't hold out much hope of jurors coming to me when Disney Corp is knocking at their door.

ABC has had this case wrapped up in the money angle since they bought off Casey and the A's for pics back in 2008.

So how many of these jurors families were contacted by Disney while they were still in Orlando?  I am sure that would be a fun fact to know.  So they didn't take the free trip..what did they take..or did they just say go away..yeah right.


And I still don't trust J Lyons on bit.  If there was a way for him to tamper without being caught he would do it in a heartbeat.

July 15th

July 15 Caylee was reported missing by Cindy.  Cindy last saw Caylee June 15th 2008

INTERESTING! Cindy called 911 on July 15, 2008! Why of all days does Disney have to use this exact day to open this movie in theaters? W...T...F?

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/31/cindy-anthony-cries-as-911-calls-played-to-jury/

Quote:
Before getting to the 911 calls made on July 15, 2008, prosecutor Linda Drane-Burdick asked Cindy Anthony about the events that occurred in the weeks leading up to that point. Cindy explained that, when she wrote in a MySpace post on July 3, 2008 that “Caylee is missing,” it was just an expression and she did not actually know the girl was not with Casey Anthony.

Thanks Gypsy!   ::MonkeyAngel::

AnotherMonkey...I had a long story typed out for you explaining the story from Donna MacKlean.  I lost it when gd came into the room.
Will try again when I am not so tired.
Wish I could remember the date of that NG show...then we would have it word for word.
karen

As with the OJ Simpson case ... I do not believe that anything will change the outcome in the Casey Anthony case.  However ... I pray that Casey Anthony case will be a catalyst for change in the jury process ... something called accountability.

Janet

+++++

"If you don't pay your light bill for 31 days.. no power! If you don't pay your water bill for 31 days.. no water! If you don't return a movie you rented for 31 days.. you pay for that movie! If you dont pay a ticket for 31 days you go to jail. If you don't report your child missing for 31 days, what happens?? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! - repost if you agree.|

KCJackie's Friend

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt1449283
Winnie the Pooh (2011) Oh Pooh.

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Release Date
15 Jul 2011
Genre
Animation, Family
Run time
1 hr 9 mins
Rated
G

I have no theory--only have always thought that the indifference Cindy displayed regarding the nanny before this became public, [ re: testimony ] was in sharp contrast to her displayed hysterics after this all became public.   Who in their right mind doesn't find out everything about a nanny who supposedly has charge of their grandchild/family member ???  Especially since the grandchild lived in the same home with them?  That does not add up.  All adults living in that house were responsible for the welfare of Caylee and should have made it their number one priority.   Cindy was indifferent until it became the unpopular posture due to the event and to the cameras.

Oh it's ok, but I appreciate your wanting to share the info.  No worries.   :smt060

.... except 12 jurors and 2 alternates who came from all walks of life ... who were randomly selected to serve.  What were the chances?

Janet

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NANCY GRACE
Jury Clears Casey Anthony of all Charges in Caylee`s Death
Aired July 5, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

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SUSAN MOSS, CHILD ADVOCATE: We`ve been O.J.`d! This is the worst thing to happen to Florida since the hanging chads! How did this jury miss the 31 days that this child was not reported? How did they miss the duct tape over this child`s mouth, this child`s nose? You don`t wear duct tape to go swimming! And in the early morning, this little girl didn`t put duct tape on herself! How did they miss the chloroform searches, the chloroform evidence found in a car that only she had access to? How about the fact that she also searched breaking necks? How about the fact that there was the smell of death in this car?

I mean, come on! This jury ignored the scientific evidence! Apparently, they found the only 12 people who still think the world is flat!

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/05/ng.01.html


Romans 1:22
Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools.

Probably the best analysis of this debacle.. this travesty.. that I've heard.  What she said.. I'd like to play it back in a continuous loop over the Disney World loud speakers, so they can hear it while they're cavorting about as if nothing ever happening in their boring little lives.  ::MonkeyMad::

::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino::

Shouldn't we also start a petition that those related to a murder case should NOT be able to profit from it...especially if found guilty of ANY aspect, including lying to LE...also the jurors should NOT be allowed to profit. 

I also feel like something big is going to happen in this case, unless we shut up.  I am also afraid though that the media is going to stop talking about it (per request) and then people will start losing the anger and lose Justice for Caylee. Once the anger dies down then the jurors will start coming out making money off of this (for sure) and the Anthony's and then KC.

Can someone please explain what this means..For example, in the United States someone acquitted of a state murder charge can be retried for the same actions on a federal charge of violating civil rights.

Wow, A different take on this verdict...one which I haven't seen worded like this yet. Very interesting... Please note: This is not meant to defame, it is an observation.


http://wwwgagnonart.blogspot.com/2011/07/jennifer-ford-nursing-student-to.html

Thursday July 7, 2011
Jennifer Ford – Nursing Student to graduate from St Petersburg College

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One of the Jurors was Jennifer Ford, a Nursing Student, who also went with the other Jurors and found Casey Anthony not guilty of Child Abuse and Child Neglect. The Jury deliberated extremely fast; as if they just wanted to get it over with and go home. Jennifer Ford is planning on going into Nursing; the helping profession. Nurses, as well as Teachers are expected and required to report suspected victims of child abuse and child neglect. Casey Anthony probably would not have served much time for abuse and neglect. It is more of the principal though. What type of Society have we become? People are asking me from other parts in the country, who are these people down here.

well said!  I totally agree - thanks for helping me understand!  Titch if you think of anything specific you need help with on your searches can you email me?  cayleejustice@yahoo.com

I'm still out here in left field, trying to follow the money.

I can't find an exact replica of the playhouse. The one I found does have a bay window and looks quite similar. It sells for $400. What two year old needs a $400 toy?

Casey holds the purse strings and always has.

I think that is how Cindy's mother kept Cindy under control. The "do what I say and I will share my money with you." AND I think she always has. I imagine, IMO, George was nice enough fellow, but a big disappointment as a provider for her daughter.

Cindy has done fairly well, nothing special and as her mother has always done...held on to the purse strings...that is her control over George, Lee and Casey.

She spoiled them all with her checkbook and then when she demanded their loyalty they sometimes bolted, but always came back.

Lee, on the other hand, has become his own man, fending for himself. I don't know how far his loyalty goes, if it has not already gone.

Link doesn't work for me....

The alternate who spoke out and said we can to this conclusion..we decided this because..we..we..we..is a teacher of government in P County schools.

He said he was going to use this class in his classroom..and do what fail the kids that have a brain cell still functioning if they disagree with him.

If I was a taxpayer in that county I would be in the school boards face to make sure this man does not teach anything to do with this trial since he did such a lousy job of being an alternate.  All the we's and the agreement means that he too did not listen nor comprehend the prosecutions case, nor understand his duty as an alternate juror. 

It should not be a stretch for a teacher to connect the fact that chloroform was looked up 84 times on a computer and a toddler ends up being transported in the trunk of her mother's car that reeks of chloroform and human decomp.  It should not be a stretch for a teacher to know that duct tape never belongs over the nose and mouth of a toddler.  It should not be a stretch for a teacher to know that all the things found with that toddler were from her home and her mother's car. 

Since he couldn't connect those simple dots..as the State had done that for him..is he really capable of teaching and adding new info to his classes in a common sense way?

And as a mandated reporter of child abuse I find his lack of intelligence and worldliness astounding...as I do the nurses on the jury.  They are not worthy to work in their professions if they are that stupid and unable to grasp facts and pay attention to detail to draw the correct conclusions.  They had all the info they needed to and they wimped out.

I imagine these people wimp out often in life ..George would make a good best friend for him and the rest of the jury.

Link dont work?

I can't really explain it, but I do know that OJ Simpson was found guilty in a civil case and had to pay back the Goldman family (he hasn't voluntarily given them anything, I believe).. not sure if Nicole's family was supposed to get money from him as well.  I would assume (?) that you have to be a spouse or immediate family member.. or perhaps a family as a collective group, to sue, though.  The only person I see suing Casey is this possible grandmother who wants a DNA test done.  Don't really know. 

  I couldn't get it to work either (even by copying and pasting the link right off this page).. but the whole thing sounds bizarre.  I doubt it's true.

I found this...not really explaining clearly though:

Dear Judge Eaton: Many people are prosecuted both by the federal government and the state for the same crime, and this is not considered double jeopardy. This often happens with drug crimes. Is it possible for this to happen to Casey Anthony? -- Robbie


Very unlikely. Most federal crimes involve some federal interest such as interstate commerce or incidents occurring on federal land. Bank robberies and some drug crimes can be prosecuted in state and federal courts because the charges are brought by two separate sovereigns, The United States of America and the state of Florida. The federal interest in bank robberies is the fact that the banks are regulated by the federal government. The federal interest in drug cases is grounded on interstate commerce. -- Judge O.H. Eaton

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/28475339/detail.html#ixzz1ReZXiweP

I doubt its true too.. I clicked it and it said its been removed and whatever else it said. LOL

Well, that's payment in my book.

I had not read this post yet when I posted mine..but your's came first.

That is what has me outraged..these ARE MANDATED REPORTERS ..they are supposed to be able to cut through the crap and protect abused children..ah..this is why I got out of social services to begin with..between the people that didn't report that should have and the judges that refuse to break up a bio family it just lost it's appeal and burnt me out big time.

Wasn't there a nursing student and a retired nurse  and a nurses aid and a teacher.  I think the retired nurse and teacher were alternates..

I found this also.  This wasn't asked prior to being found not guilty (which doesn't mean innocent) anyhow, does this mean she cannot mention the lies or cannot profit at all?

Looking to the future, is there any way to keep the entire family from profiting off of books, movies, interviews, etc.? -- Lois, Dunnellon


Florida law prohibits a person convicted of a crime from profiting from the case. Any money or royalties received by the convicted criminal must be paid to the Crimes Compensation Trust Fund. Anyone else can profit without government interference. I plan on playing myself in the movie. -- Judge O.H. Eaton

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/28441900/detail.html#ixzz1RebwP4nU

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I have a Mimi Cooper and a .22....and I could get my message across ::MonkeyWink::

Me too Brandi.  ::MonkeyMad::  Wasn't it enough to be spoiled the hell put of in a luxury hotel, all expenses paid including food, extra curricular activities, etc for weeks? WEEKS! My husband & I purchase Premium Annual Passes for Disney every single year! 5 of them! All above 9 so they're $650+ a piece!

I doubt Caylee ever really went to Disney World ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::

I haven't read back, been feeling sick.  But watching a rerun of Dr. Drew, interviewing Tracy Mclaughlin of Padilla, living in the house for 9 days.  She just went through what she observed and experienced first hand in the Anthony house.  She was very credible on the show.  Why in God's name did the Pros. use her on during the trial.  It was first hand and very eery.  I think she would have clinched the guilty virdect.  ::MonkeyEek::

I forget. I'll have to check out the thread with the jurors descriptions.

The Nurse's Aide was the lady with the 11th grade ed that you & I discussed before. She's the one that's retired, has a son & a grandson that were/are involved in drugs, plus this lady had a DUI in 1998. She's in her 60's now.

I remember there's a teacher, I think he was an alternate, taught health & phys ed. He may be the dunce that gave some of those initial interviews.

I cannot believe how deeply this has affected me. It's one of those things that will stay with me for the rest of my life. What a severe injustice. It sickens me.

First let me preface this that we support Caylee's Law and have signed the petition - but if you're interested in the other side's POV - my husband sent me this earlier today:

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/08/shep-smith-cmon-do-we-really-need-a-new-law-aimed-at-casey-anthony-situations/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/08/shep-smith-cmon-do-we-really-need-a-new-law-aimed-at-casey-anthony-situations/)

Personally I think hotair.com is a fitting URL...but there you have it...

I think bc if they used her, they'd have to use Leonard, and they didn't want to.

I know it's just words....but KC NEVER REPORTED CAYLEE MISSING.....Cindy did....but KC didn't report chit!!  I just wish some of these talking heads would get it right....

...I know...Right?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/os-casey-anthony-what-it-means-20110708,0,742775,full.story
THE STATE VS. CASEY ANTHONY
Why did Casey Anthony case rivet us?
By Anthony Colarossi, Orlando Sentinel
6:01 p.m. EDT, July 9, 2011

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Donna Marini, from Altamonte Springs, sat in on the trial for most of the six-week span, but she was drawn to the case long before the jury was picked.

"I lived with it for the last three years," Marini said. "It was like your favorite TV show, but live, so I was really interested in seeing how it was drawn out."

Marini was one of many left disillusioned with the jury's verdict, finding Casey Anthony not guilty of the most serious charges involving her daughter's death, including first-degree murder.

"I don't think we learned anything," she said. "We learned we can get away with murder."
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The way I understand it she wouldnt of been able to tell what Casey said.

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ABC's freebie is not going to look like such a freebie when this gal finds out she has to pay taxes on the tickets. This is considered income and she will be held accountable for ALL the tickets. Wonder how many she had in her group

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/opinion/sunday/10bruni.html?_r=1
A Sordid Cast Around Casey Anthony
By FRANK BRUNI
Published: July 9, 2011
AS a reflection of the criminal justice system, the not guilty verdict for Casey Anthony — who in all likelihood bore responsibility for her 2-year-old daughter’s death, but will never pay for that particular crime — was reassuring. Juries are supposed to presume the innocence of even the vilest defendants. Evidence must outweigh emotion. And in the end there simply wasn’t enough lucid, specific proof that Anthony had murdered her little girl.
But as a mirror of people’s opportunism, avarice, hypocrisy and hysterics, the case was galling. In the Anthony trial a system that worked almost too well met a cast of characters almost too bad to be believed, and that’s true not merely, or even mainly, of the Anthonys. It applies just as much to the rogues’ gallery around them
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IMO, Casey's NANNY deposition is going to be a repeat of "I work at Universal Studios. When finally confronted and cornered she flips off the lies like they were nothing. She is going to look at Gonzales and say, "I don't know this woman." As she said, "I don't work here."

Nothing=nothing-nothing. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I appreciate the link!  ::MonkeyAngel::

This is very important.  It means that if Casey tried to profit from this case in the form of interviews or books about the case or a Lifetime movie deal she could not.

However I am sure Mason and Baez will make it a caveat that she is not allowed to talk about the case.  Her life before..her life after..but not the case itself.  There are loopholes and they will find them.  Also they may try to set up a dummy corp that would funnel the profits through it to her. 

This maybe the reason that Jerry Springer backed out..what would he talk about with the A's and Casey ..they are only famous because of this case. 

I hope the State gets Cindy for perjury then she couldn't talk about the case either. 

Keep in mind, this article was posted before the verdict was handed down, which means everyone still thought she'd be convicted of "something".  She was acquitted of everything but lying to police.  "Florida law prohibits a person convicted of a crime from profiting from the case."  She was not convicted of murder, manslaughter, or child abuse / neglect.  It will be perfectly legal for her to discuss and profit off these charges.

This might seem silly to ask, but isn't lying to police a "crime"? She was convicted and had to serve jail time..  why doesn't that count?  ::MonkeyEek::  Does the law specifically state which crimes a person has to be convicted of?

sorry i got in your box
Thanks that was a good read, I still cant accept that somehow she will not  be back in court for this crime

I don't think she did either Sunny.

In one of the earlier interviews of Cindy and George they talked about the fact Caylee was just getting to the age where they would be able to take her to Disney or Sea World , etc and they had been looking forward to taking her. 

Even with this law that can be fixed easily she can put it in another person's name, but wonder who she could trust that good

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Florida law prohibits a person convicted of a crime from profiting from the case. Any money or royalties received by the convicted criminal must be paid to the Crimes Compensation Trust Fund. Anyone else can profit without government interference. I plan on playing myself in the movie. -- Judge O.H. Eaton

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/28441900/detail.html#ixzz1RebwP4nU
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This is very important.  It means that if Casey tried to profit from this case in the form of interviews or books about the case or a Lifetime movie deal she could not.

However I am sure Mason and Baez will make it a caveat that she is not allowed to talk about the case.  Her life before..her life after..but not the case itself.  There are loopholes and they will find them.  Also they may try to set up a dummy corp that would funnel the profits through it to her. 

This maybe the reason that Jerry Springer backed out..what would he talk about with the A's and Casey ..they are only famous because of this case. 

I hope the State gets Cindy for perjury then she couldn't talk about the case either. 
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At first I thought "no" the only thing Casey could NOT talk about were charges for which she has been convicted; the lies. Duh, the entire trial was based on her lies. Sorry I am so slow.

I could not write the non-fiction or shoot a film about the trail WITHOUT presenting the lies...it would be an impossibility.

http://m.ibtimes.com/casey-anthony-casey-anthony-verdict-cnn-nancy-grace-twitter-nancy-grace-casey-anthony-trial-casey-an-175889.html (http://m.ibtimes.com/casey-anthony-casey-anthony-verdict-cnn-nancy-grace-twitter-nancy-grace-casey-anthony-trial-casey-an-175889.html)

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Future Millionaire

On the contrary, analysts say Anthony could be the future millionaire as she could profit from the extraordinary publicity of the case.

Anthony is expected to be approached by TV channels, magazines for interviews and she may earn big bucks as such offers will pay her millions.

 "I would not be surprised, given the notoriety and infamy of the case, if Casey gets $1 million to give a full interview," California defense attorney and legal analyst David Wohl told Fox News.

Even the Florida law may not be able to stop Anthony from profiting from her crime. Typically, Florida law prohibits a person convicted of a crime from profiting from that crime. But in the Anthony case, law couldn't prohibit her as she wasn't convicted of murder.  Moreover, nothing stops her from writing a book or signing a movie deal that may earn her more money.
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There is a solid chance that Casey Anthony's memoir could be a best-seller as people may buy it to know what exactly happened to Caylee. If any company wants to make a movie out of it, then Anthony could really strike gold.

On the other hand, public may boycott interviews, books, or movies of Casey Anthony due to the emotional response people have expressed to the verdict.

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This is very important.  It means that if Casey tried to profit from this case in the form of interviews or books about the case or a Lifetime movie deal she could not.

However I am sure Mason and Baez will make it a caveat that she is not allowed to talk about the case.  Her life before..her life after..but not the case itself.  There are loopholes and they will find them.  Also they may try to set up a dummy corp that would funnel the profits through it to her. 

This maybe the reason that Jerry Springer backed out..what would he talk about with the A's and Casey ..they are only famous because of this case. 

I hope the State gets Cindy for perjury then she couldn't talk about the case either. 
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At first I thought "no" the only thing Casey could NOT talk about were charges for which she has been convicted; the lies. Duh, the entire trial was based on her lies. Sorry I am so slow.

I could not write the non-fiction or shoot a film about the trail WITHOUT presenting the lies...it would be an impossibility.
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Casey is free to do anything she wants come July 17th. She was found Not Guilty, so she can sign a contract for a movie, book, interview, etc. The only thing she was found guilty of was the check fraud which was time credited, and guilty on those 4 counts of lying to cops which is a misdemeanor.

Sickening isn't it?

Me too---I don't think Casey would have ever reported it.

Well, there can only be hope that the public treats her the same way they treat OJ.  Now, people are pi$$ed and it's to be expected.  I'm talking long-term..   I don't want it ever to be glamorous to do what she did and to get away with it. 

Anybody catch Bill O'Reilly the other night, when Dennis Miller talked about how heinous a crime you have to commit now days for a person to be found guilty?   (I'm not much a fan of Bill, and wish Dennis would have stayed out of politics.. well, not showing up on these shows, that is).. but he has a point.  I guess what happened to Caylee wasn't disturbing enough for these jurors.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

  not if she hadn't been caught and had no choice but to do so. And the way she spoke over the phone to the police.. it was like she lost her dog or something.. not a child.

Makes my eyes wet...  ::MonkeyNoNo::

No one will want to interview her or make a movie about lying to the police.  Any offers will concern the murder.

I have wondered the same thing.  The only thing I can come up with is they were working for Casey and may have signed a confidentiality agreement with Baez..which goes to work product.  Infact I thought Baez made a big deal about that with LP..that they had a contract of some sort.

So she may have talked to LE willingly..but they couldn't use her testimony in court due to Baez work product issue..IDK. 

She was not convicted of murder, so she can still profit from it. The injustice never ends, the whore never stops pole-dancing for big bucks. ::boxingcasey2::

Casey will NEVER talk about the murder. She won't even say Caylee's name. She just changes the subject. Boy will the big bucks be disappointed.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_Mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0944/Sec512.htm&StatuteYear=2004 (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_Mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0944/Sec512.htm&StatuteYear=2004)

944.512  State lien on proceeds from literary or other type of account of crime for which convicted.--

(1)  A lien prior in dignity to all others shall exist in favor of the state upon royalties, commissions, proceeds of sale, or any other thing of value payable to or accruing to a convicted felon or a person on her or his behalf, including any person to whom the proceeds may be transferred or assigned by gift or otherwise, from any literary, cinematic, or other account of the crime for which she or he was convicted. A conviction shall be defined as a guilty verdict by a jury or judge, or a guilty or nolo contendere plea by the defendant, regardless of adjudication of guilt. The lien shall attach at the time of the conviction in county or circuit court. In the event of an appeal, the funds will be held in the Revolving Escrow Trust Fund of the Department of Legal Affairs until the appeal is resolved.

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So even though she was a convicted felon from the check charges, the law here for this trial applies to the crimes she was not convicted of (murder, manslaughter, child neglect / abuse) - and as mentioned previously, the lying to police charges were just misdemeanors - not felonies.
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Sooo...Who were the fricken jurors that wouldn't vote Casey guilty no matter what?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/07/07/2305907_p2/casey-anthony-juror-says-the-jury.html
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But Juror No. 2 didn’t buy that.

“The six that voted guilty said it didn’t matter at what point in time she came home and found out her daughter was missing,” he said. “She had to report it in some way, shape or form, and that’s where the negligence came in.”

But some jurors, he said, had decided not to convict Casey Anthony of any charge in the girl’s death. By lunch Tuesday, the guilty side started to lose votes.

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So even though she was a convicted felon from the check charges, the law here for this trial applies to the crimes she was not convicted of (murder, manslaughter, child neglect / abuse) - and as mentioned previously, the lying to police charges were just misdemeanors - not felonies.
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Didn't want to see this. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes very..and even more sickening that not only she ..but the people willing to produce these shows, movies or books will be making a profit off of a dead child.

Even though she is found guilty of lying..couldn't the State of Florida say that  lying was part of this case..and since she was guilty in that part of this case she can not profit from any part of the case.

If he felt that strongly I would of never changed my vote of guilty to manslaughter or child neglect, I dont feel sorry for him at all due to he had crumbled fast and gave in to the others, If they didnt want to do the job a hung jury would of at least got it to be retried in court.

I wish the law was like that, Gypsy, unfortunately it isn't.

Stinks worse than third world sewage.

Hey Everyone!  ::MonkeyKiss::
I found this in my legal question & answer book. Why would this not apply to this case or would it?



Question:
Can a person be put on trial for the same crime in both federal and state courts?

Answer:
Yes. If a person is accused of something that is a crime under both state and federal law, he can be tried in both a state and a federal court. The state and federal governments are seperate entities, and a conviction or acquittal in one court does not prevent a subsequent prosecution in th other. The same holds true for the punishment imposed. However, the sentence in one court might be taken into consideration in fixing the punishment in the other court-----for example, one sentence might be suspended. Being prosecuted for violating the laws of two different governments (federal and state) does not result in double jeopardy(being tried twice for the same crime), which is forbidden by the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The prohibition of double jeopardy is aimed solely at preventing prosecutors from bringing someone to trial again in the same court system for the same offense.

I agree. A hung jury would have made a mistrial & she would have remained in jail & tried again.

Incompetent gutless fools.

Monkeys, I need help if you would be so kind.  On another forum I visit (not crime - more music related) someone posted this:

The jury did their job. There simply wasn't enough evidence to place it "beyond a reasonable doubt." She's obviously a terrible mother, but there needed to be more to prove murder.

I want to respond, but not only am I angry to the point of seizure, but when I try to think of the best way to state what I feel, my head is a tornado of thoughts.  I can't pull it together to come up with a concise argument.  I really like that analogy from NG in which she said that if you were to go outside and see puddles and people walking with umbrellas, it would be obvious that it had rained and there'd be no reason to ask for proof of rain.  (Or something like that).

Again, my head is spinning; I can't corral my thoughts!  Is there a post here or an article that really sums things up?  This is embarrassing, my having a brain-fart like this.  I've read so many opinions about the jury that I agree with, but I can't organize them.  I feel so lame.

Casey Anthony was found guilty as charged of FALSE INFORMATION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT.  Does that imply Casey cannot include her lies to law inforcement in her story to the major networks?

Janet

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Jury instuctions + charges in the Casey Anthony murder trial
Jul-4-11 10:23am

JURY INSTRUCTIONS

INTRODUCTION TO FINAL INSTRUCTIONS

Members of the jury, I thank you for your attention during this trial. Please pay attention to the instructions I am about to give you.

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FALSE INFORMATION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT

§ 837.055,Fla.Stat.

To prove the crime of False Information to Law Enforcement, the State must prove the following five elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. Yuri Melich was conducting a missing person investigation.

2. Yuri Melich was a law enforcement officer.

3. Casey Marie Anthony knew that Yuri Melich was a law enforcement officer.

4. Casey Marie Anthony knowingly and willfully gave false information to Yuri Melich.

5. Casey Marie Anthony intended to mislead Yuri Melich or impede the investigation.

“Willfully” means intentionally, knowingly and purposely.

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http://www.zimbio.com/Casey+Anthony/articles/Q6sfyR2oKyr/Jury+instuctions+charges+Casey+Anthony+murder