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Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

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robots you stink :lol:

I'm here! Thanks for a good landing Klaas!

Nite San

Robots - you are sneaky  :wink:

 :twisted:

good night pal  8)  :lol:  :D

naw...........just fast  8)

I made sure it was really locked...Robots had the perimeter. :lol:

Actually, I forgot to unlock this thread ahead of time, lol  :lol:

 :wink:

CURIOUS:

GLENDA/JULIA = MIA (since May 3rd

JR DUTCH ATTY = MIA (since May 5th)

BOUCHERON (JR'S MOM) = MIA (since May 4th)

DAN RIEHL - Thinking about shutting down the NH section and maybe even not blogging????

SANDRAK - MIA after posting Joran's "notes" (although possibly do to health reasons?)

LAZLO/VICTOR - has not posted at RU (since May 14) and that was to say that Joran does not say Freddy admits later that he had the dates wrong.  Has not posted at FOB (since May 3rd)

I don't think I have the steam to hang out, but may be back...never know.

If not, have a good night.  I'll read when I can tomorrow.

Nite 2NJ

I must say I am hoping for this one too.

3. At home but unable to access the internet because her PC has been confiscated by KLPD and her online activity is being monitored?

Seeing that we are full of crap on the amount of murders there is in Aruba, maybe she is out in a cave somewhere doing other things. :D

Hi Glenda, oops  I mean Julia!

 :lol:

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I am encouraged a little by that decision in the money laundering case. A DUTCH judge actually found someone guilty of something LOL... Actually, though, it shows that the Dutch are willing to flex their muscles on the island and not just let it slide off into Chavezdom without a fight. That has relevance to our case and maybe to this new investigation.

Although I suspect one phone call from a highly-placed person at the Hague could provide a different result in our case.

Thanks everyone for your help and advice about the bird. Everytime I come back inside I scrub my hands.

Yes, Animal Control said they will come and pick up the bird in the brown paper bag but it will be four hours. I was almost going to staple it closed when I realized the bird cannot fly.

I'm a recluse so I didn't go outside today until 5 p.m. when I went to dump trash. That's when I saw the bird. I went running to Aram's wife and told her about the bird. She said, yes the bird has been there since early this morning. I wish they had told me this morning.

I prayed over the bird and turned it on its back so I could see the breathing. It was fascinating. Each leg has four digits with long curved nails. They seem to have a third eye like cats. I went inside to wash up and then went back out to peer into the bag. The bird stopped breathing. And the strangest thing, the bird looks very different now that it died. Death is a very quiet thief.

The Animal Control called me 10 minutes ago and said they will be here soon. All this fuss about a bird! Since I got elderly, I cannot stand to see animals in distress. My day will be ruined to see a dead animal in the road. Animals chained up in the snow. Etc. I really had a hard emotional time with this bird as I'm not bird friendly. But I cannot stand for animals having to suffer.

silence is golden

Glenda/Bondia/Julia/whatever is probably over on that private island off the coast with some toothless choller for a "romantic getaway".  :wink:

At this stage in her life she is probably paying THEM, not the other way around.  :x

You did all you could do.  The bird may have been sick or may have fallen and broken something not obvious to you.  

{{hugs}}

LOL  :lol:

you are the type of person that make the world a nice place

Needless to say, birds have been dying of a number of infections lately, all around the country. Be careful Louise, and do wash up thoroughly.  It is very unlikely that anything else could have been done. I took a bird in a situation like that to a wildlife rescue place here in town, a number of years ago, and they could do nothing but euthanize it.

Louise, just think, that poor little bird got a special prayer from a human right before he died.  I like to think God heard, and took him up to alleviate his suffering.  You did a wonderful thing!  God bless.

OK, headed out for the night... I am expecting a busy Monday so y'all keep it down to a mere 25 pages or so tomorrow, so I can get caught up early tomorrow night before I run out of gas LOL!   :wink:

Nite SB

And.....

All translations of Joran's book have ceased.  Things that make you go hmmmm.....

something stinks in ARUBA

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besides PAULUS

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and ANITA  8)

and the rest of the GANG

ROFL! :lol:  :lol:  Hello Monkeys, just caught up.

Louise, sorry you went through that with the bird. He is in peace now, and you helped him to feel cared about at the end.

Yes, they did all stop, but I thought we had our own interpritor for the book, which is none of those names.  Why is that person also quiet?  And he has the book.  Not in Aruba either :roll:   Makes you wonder doesnt it?  Sorry I went to take a shower also.

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Sounds like something is cooking somewhere. :smt036

When is the 2 year mark? June 9th? Something should happen this week, or next.

Odd, no mention of scheduled court dates...or anything.

I beleive it is around that time, June 9th (2 years from when they were arrested). I know, we have to hear something soon i guess one way or another.

Yes, I believe so but who knows.  I thought the Dutch ruled that the 2yr time limit no longer pertains and they can remain suspects indefinately?

Well, all we can do is wait as we have been for the last 2 years I guess.

Yes, thats one good thing.

Hotshot,

Who is our own interpretor of the book?  I thought Ramm's version was what was brought here?...

And J2K's lawyers made a lot of noise before their last hearing. How there was no evidence and it was only fair to release them as suspects.

6 months later...gagged. Is there evidence this time?

I know...unreal huh?. The end of May another sad anniversary for her family.

Yes, Ramm is over at BFN.  but at least we were getting his point of veiw.

I'm not Hotshot but I believe that's who she is referring to.

I wonder if Joe T is making threats to people translating the book?  The book certainly does not help Joran, IMO.

I get it, now...just thought Hotshot was referring to someone other than Ramm when I posted.....

I don't know, but I'd bet money someone from one of those dark sites called him about it. :roll:

Hiya 2NJsons-mom, you know I was banned from fotolog....LMAO

Yes, I was.

Maybe. I do think Ramm is taking some heat, from the usual suspects, for just doing the transcriptions. Frustrating that we got all that island boy, pimp crap and now that the actual *case* part of the book is next...it all stops.

Yep, I'm sure Ramm is taking some heat.  I find it more curious that Dugo hasn't continued.  Wasn't Dugo and HannieC supposed to be part of a "team" of people translating?

I meant to say did you know

It's weird.  Maybe they are all just clamming up because real people are in aruba investigating, and they have to be on their best behavior, or else.

Dugo was supposed to do it at Scrux. That has obviously been shelved.

I have the feeling the reason they stopped, was just so we couldn't see it?

But why should that bother JR Dutch Atty?  The Dutch have been in Aruba since about April 16th, that didn't stop Julia from posting until May 3rd.  Something is up, IMO.

The Anita/Fro rumor, and the Paulus rumor...think there is any truth to them?

I thought Siddalee was Renho's mother?

Yes. JR in this post is JR Dutch Attorney.

That rumor that Toots posted at T4N?  I hope so!  :lol:

What rumor?

And thanx for the clarification, iggy.

A poster by the name of Toots posted this one message at T4N:

Toots wrote:

Rumors ta bisando the friends di anita van der sloot are being questioned den e afer nathalie holloway. It is ansia esei anita moved things from her home in brought na su amigunan homes for safe keeping.. Her amigunan do include otro teachers an include bon dia editor julia renfro. Searches at scheduled for di homes di amigunan di anita

Toots!!! :lol:    ...from outta nowhere!

eta: Profiler appears to be standing behind his Paulus rumor. Hard to read that one.

I find that one harder to believe.  Could be Paul went to meet up with Joran in the Netherlands and then they went to that soccer game in Wembley Stadium yesterday or the day before..whenever it was.  That I wouldn't be surprised about.

And the Paulus rumor is? hehe

Posted at BFN by a poster by the name of Profiler:

That Paulus was taken to the Netherlands for questioning.  Profiler said he was told this by one of his Aruban sources.  Profiler has referenced his Aruban sources in the past.

Ah, this could be so...

Saw your other posts...didn't know you were banned at the photo site...I signed off and then came back....don't know what to think.....sorry, Elaine, I shoold have gone to sleep when I said I was.  

I'll be back tomorrow, my friend.

Well, I certainly hope both rumors are true!

Ramm would not stop posting translations to prevent us from reading them, though.

G'nite, all!

So you actually were banned?  OMG, too funny.  Why, for that train photo?

Nite Justins

I am so hoping you are right.  They need to be broken

Julia stops posting on May 3rd - on May 12th she goes on the air with Fox and reports that the Dutch team went to the Kalpoe home with dogs and sonar and that the Kalpoes were still detained.  This was after it had already been reported that the Kalpoes were only held for about 1 hour and that the KLPD was only doing an inspection.  No word from Julia since then.  

Someone said, wouldn't be interresting if the Dutch team leaked BAD information to see who would blab it?  LOL  :lol:

interesting.....and yes good night to you all too.

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
24ora
http://www.24ora.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl

Page 2 of Bon Dia:  http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/May/19/A-19-5-07.pdf
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Article headline mentions Joran - translating now.

Good morning.
Working and lurking.

Looks like the big news out of Aruba over the weekend according to 24ora is a total suprise :twisted:
....accident, accident, accident accident accident, accident and the Subway opening it's doors again in Savaneta.

Thank-you Leslie for posting the news links, I always read, somedays there is less content. You deserve a hand for being there first thing each morning with the links. :)

Leslie - me too, what bleached said.

This must have been a record number of auto accidents - I think 8?

There are a couple of things in Diario but I can't make heads or tails out of them. Don't look like murder or suicide ...

Am headed to work so don't have time to read the Joran article ... it appears that in Joran's book he mentions corruption in the prison KIA... How's that for the pot calling the kettle black?  Specifically he is talking about the availability of drug.

I think that island is one big mess.  That's what the deal is with the awful car accidents and the knifings etc.  It's all about drugs.  They have a big problem.

Sorry I couldn't spend more time deciphering the article.  Have a great day.

HEHE Coruption ! What a suprise! Mathew case, Holloway case and on and on
I'm sure .....but can JVDS dig his grave any deeper?

Hold the press ,Joran finds Drugs and corruption in Aruba Jail.Where is the Enquirer,when you need them.

"Enquiring minds want to know..."   :D  :D

Ain't that the truth.  A drug dealer ratting on other drug dealers.  He is trying to make himself look like a saint and act like he is horrified that drugs are in the prison because he would never touch drugs.

http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/May/19/A-19-5-07.pdf





Way to go Joran!  Bite the hand that fed you - love it!!  
Joran's going to expose the corruption on the island...give me a freakin' break!!

So is this supposed to be some kinda bombshell that one can find reefer in jail?  And does the Big Goon think he's gonna be a big hero for pointing that out?   :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  

Squealing ought to ensure a big but well-deserved buttkicking next time one is in the pokey....... something to think about.

I just love Iwabwu (Wabbi).She is quick with the questions alright.Even her answers are questions. :lol:  :wink:Here's an example taken from RU:

DiamondDot wrote:
Beth knows what happened every moment of Natalee's stay in Aruba.

Wabbi wrote:
Does this mean that J2K are guilty of everything Beth has indicated?

DiamondDot wrote:
The continued effort to convict J2K is ridiculous, now.

Wabbi wrote:
Have J2K been charged with a crime? Just what exactly?

DiamondDot wrote:
She also knows, as I suspect you do too, that Natalee was alive and willing to meet as late as June 03, 2005.

Wabbi wrote:
Uncle Jossy said, on Scared Monkey's radio (podcast) that Natalee disappeared while in the company of J2K. Poof! JMHO & memory.

I'm glad people in Aruba have finally taken notice of Joran's book.  He will have that whole island PO's before it is all said and done.

What is that last paragraph about?  A girl his age came to visit, etc.

Not sure if this is old/bad info - but I do remember at one time we were told or at least we thought that Ben King was the supervisor over the jail.  Do we know if that's true?  And if so......

Wth is Joran doing?  Throwing Daddy's friend and his protector under the bus?  Did this freak's so-called parents even read this book before he put it out there?  

I can't grasp the logic here.  Does he think this will support his thesis of being completely honest?  I just don't get it.   :roll:

In plain english Joran doesn't give a shit who he hurts and neither does Paulus.  Because if Paulus did he would have put a stop to this book. He just shit on the whole island of Aruba.  After what he did to that island he should have been grateful but no he is bashing the island, his girlfriends, Natalee.

Someone should have stabbed him to death when he was in prison.  Now he is hiding in the Netherlands.  Know what I say go get Paulus and do what you have to do to him and send a message to Joran and let's see how Joran handles that one.

WHERE ARE THE PROTESTERS NOW THAT SUPPORTED JORAN.  MAYBE THEY SHOULD HOLD A FEW SIGNS UP IN FRONT OF PAULUS' OFFICE.

Exactly.  Drug dealers know how to find drug dealers.

He will never do that and that is because I truly believe one of the Judges is related to Paulus.  JMO.

IIRC it was Mark Furman that said on Fox a while back"If you want to murder someone or commit a murder Aruba's the place to go"(not exact quote.) :twisted:

Posted by Also_Dutch at RU:

Also_Dutch Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 1:29 am  


 

The above quote is taken from page 165 of Joran's book. This cleares the matter of Judges at the Van der Sloot residence. Ben King is a civil servant and not a lawyer, judge or (A)DA.

I think I don't ahve to explain further

What is that position, anyway? It's all a "good 'ole boy network" but I don't understand what Ben King's job description is.

Good Morning!

Klaas,
I have read accounts of that search that say both Ben Vocking AND Judge Witt were present and it was then that Witt limited the scope of the search.

JMO but I do think both of them were present.

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STILL

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As is:

JR DUTCH ATTY

Ben Vocking was over the jails and prison system during the Alex Matthews scandal which Aruba lost in the International Court of Human Rights.  Matthews didn't get much money but it was a moral victory.  He allegedly broke Ben Vocking's jaw fighting in prison was why he was treated so badly.  

Marianne Croes admitted that whatever that strange title is, Vocking was a member of the Office of the Prosecution and that he took off vacation time to be there to support his good friend Paulus.  Guess he was returning the favor Paulus did him when Paulus was in charge of evidence on Matthews, etc.  

How's that for conflict of interest?  A member of the Prosecution on hand to obfuscate a search.  That would get a person fired in this country in a heartbeat but this is Aruba.

So Joran says the ALE is totally corrupt and this is who investigated Natalee's disappearance.

Does that last paragraph say something about getting a small cell phone in past the metal detectors?  I just see something about celular and metal detector.  Could say most anything.

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Would not surprise me at all.

Well in some drug cultures,the cartels give a presant for ratting on them,like in the jail.Joran,we need you alive untill after you tell the truth and you go to jail.Then,who cares

He took 2 weeks off from work to avoid "private-work" to mix up?
Of course he did. The lofty ethics in Aruba would never allow for even the appearance of inpropriety!  :roll: That's why Paulus drove himself to the police station when they came to arrest him. That's why Ben King took the trouble to take a leave of absence and then "visit" at Paulus' house to coincide with the search warrant!

We should have such stellor public servants!!!  :evil:

But don't they want to support Joran in his saying that ALE is corrupt?  KIA was built to offset the tremendous international scandal of keeping Alex Matthews in solitary with only half a roof over his head for nine months.  It is suppose to be the State of the Art and the Model of the Entire Caribbean as far as a prison system goes.

Don't tell me there is corruption there!  I am shocked, just shocked!   :roll:

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 :wink:

Tiger,
Yes, I hope we get the truth out of Joran before he is presented with new neckwear!  

Can anyone shed any light on that last paragraph?  Anyone read Spanish?  That might be close.

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Yes you are correct Anna.  Both Peter De Vries and Beth said it one night on TV.  Joran is trying to debunk the story about Judge Wit being there.

Anna, I too, remember Judge Witt's name being given as present when the search warrant team came to Paulus' house. I cannot remember the exact source. Klaas? You're the best at that sort of recall............do you remember where that came from?

I believe as San just posted it was the DeVries show.

 :lol:  :lol: A good question is always worth repeating!
Sorry, San. I was typing as you were answering, and I would have included your recall as well if I had known you were here.  :wink:

Remember Paulus is alleged to have hid the evidence exonerating Mathew for about two years. And in which kept Mathew in solitary where he almost dies.

Janet is also excellent on finding things so perhaps she will come on and post something verifying both were present.  I do recall someone saying Ben Vocking actually opened the door to Joran's shed.

You don't suppose he had been doing a bit of professional tidying-up in there do you?

In my dreams, Natalee has always been in a professional body bag.   :(

Have they searched the Vocking household for any of those items Anita is alleged to have stashed away, those things she apparently deemed incriminating???  Well, since he is such a long-term member of LE, I guess he is immune to search and seizure laws.  And surely by now, they have all gotten rid of anything they were holding.

Instead of asking Jamie if he was holding something for Joran, maybe they should have been asking Vocking if he was holding anything for Paulus!  Or Anita!  What did she ask people to hold?  And why?

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Rob: I must say, you may have my favorite avatar. It's the only one that addresses the frustration I feel over this case with just a touch of vengence!  :lol:  :lol:

Posted by Paul at FOB:

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BFN began a thread yesterday claiming that profilers "sources inform him or her" that Paulus Van Der Sloot has been secreted to Holland by Dutch police.

I asked Joe Tacopina last night by email. His response is a definite no.

From on the Record with Greta 11/27/06:

Peter:  Well the search in the home address of the family Van der Sloot is very strange because the search warrant was made by Head Prosecutor Karin Janssen and contained an allowance to search the whole address Mon 19.  But when the police was on the spot another high ranking employee of the Justice Office it was Mr. Bob Witt reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran and that’s very strange.  The police was extremely frustrated about this because they had some clues that something might have happened to Natalee elsewhere in the garden or in the house of the parents because Joran admits that he has been with Natalee and Deepak and Satish at the home of his parents.

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Beth:  Well I think now we have the names and faces of people who were obstructing justice, who were derailing and investigation, who were protecting suspects.  So now it’s time to depose these individuals and they need to get Bob Witt and these are the personal who were working in the Justice Department and they are the ones who have evidently they have information as to what happened or they would not have be outlining and planning the execution of the derailment of the investigation.

If what happened to Natalee is truly as it appears, the whole Van Der Sloot family shares in the guilt!  And, they should all do equal time in prison!   :evil:

I'd reduce the sentence of the youngest Sloot kid to half time,  :wink:   But some time should be served just for being a Sloot!

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That's it. Thank you for posting that, San!

I'd put DeVries investigative findings up in the "truth" catagory. Anything out of the Aruban sources has been "spin dried".

Medley must be so jealous......  Taco emailing with someone else.... 8)

Sweaty Sloot could be in Holland. How else could he speak to Joran ?
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Probably typing up a lawsuit too against the KLPD.
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The Judge of Instruction plus Ben Vocking were a the Sloots for their play act search. DeVries was the source for that. And Vocking was placed on  " administrative leave " after as there was an appearance of a conflict of interest once ppl found out about his presence.
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Aruba to me seems like once of those Balkan countries that were run by criminals and probably still are. IMO

?Medley Relay threatening anyone who will not personally translate it for her so she can give her own version? We never heard much about the Arkansas/Aruba mailings to Paulus that were forged.

San,
Is Judge Witt the one who resembles Paulus?  

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Anna...you have a wonderful way with words...."Joran's shed"... :D

Bob Witt – Dutch Judge ruled on 6-17-05 that Paulus van der Sloot cannot visit Prime Suspect J. Sloot in jail, but that Joran’s Mother may do so (and she did on 6-1. Extended J2K custody on 6-17-05, and OK’d the transfer to KIA.


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MeMere,
You know that's what we call them in the South.
What it looks like to me.  Concrete block and concrete floor, etc.  One mattress on floor.  I expect to see a food dish on the floor in the corner.  My dogs have vinyl tile in one and wood laminate in the other.  Only one pair on raw concrete.


 :D

I believe it's in a Natalee Freebird's Doc that might be Corruption and Collusion.

They were both there.. it's a fact.

Too cool.  Now the drug dealing prisoners will be after Mr. Talk-all-the-time Joran.  Isn't Ben King his godfather, who took him out of KIA each evening to visit in his home with Paulus and Anita, so that he did not have to spend time with any "slaves."

I still think some of the most damning evidence against Paulus and the bogus timeline is the question of exactly how many sloots were on the flight back to Aruba with Anita.  I still believe that the two younger brothers weren't even on the island.  We've never gotten confirmation either way on the airline records, right?

Thank you CBB  :wink:  :D

Yeah!  What he said.  I totally agree with that.  I particularly want to see Anita interrogated (not interviewed) by the Dutch.

Oh please...it was perfect.... :D

From the beginning...when I saw his "apartment", I pictured what it would have been like to be sent to my family's garage with a mattress...and
have them call it an apartment....I wonder if it started out has some kind
of punishment....???

I wouldn't think about reducing anything until the whole sordid story came out-JMO

That's what I recall also, Anna.  Whodathunk Paulus' own best friend is now on the Sporter's list of corrupt islanders.  LOL.  Paulus and Joran have to be the most corrupt of all the corrupt after Anita.

Yep exactly!  (FYI - I just copied the photo and information above it from Sunfreak's Aruban who's who thread)

Anna- I found a blog that deals with crime and this guy that writes it said ~

There are no innocent Sloots', just one that haven't been caught yet!

It might be my favorite line ever. I should have saved the site. He writes about all kinds of stuff and the Sloots were just a small blurb.

Yes Anna, to me he resembles Paulus.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/BobWit.jpg)(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Paulus13.jpg)

Woo hoo, let's start checking his hairline against the casino video's.  Joran might have been getting Natalee for one of the lions -- this freaking creep.

CORRUPTION AND COLLUSION INHIBITED SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY


Department of Justice official and Dutch Judges drastically limited the search of the Van Der Sloot property as a favor to Joran van der Sloot’s father.


Despite what Aruban government officials led the U.S. media to believe, there was never a full search made of the Van Der Sloot property in order to find evidence in the case of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway.

Dompig: That is correct. The fact is that we as a law enforcement agency always try to get the maximum. Meaning that we want to search as much places as possible. We were not granted by the judge a search warrant for the complete house, we only received the warrant for the apartment.

Reporter: But what about after Paul Van der Sloot was arrested, couldn’t you get a warrant to search the house then?

Dompig: It was also denied, we were a bit disappointed with that. The judge was coming from another island I must point out. He said we didn’t make a good enough case to get a warrant.

10-9-05 Big Story Dompig no search warrant

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1730#more-1730

Although a warrant for a search was originally requested and granted to the prosecutor, officers were blocked from searching the main residence and grounds by Justice Department official Ben King (Voking) and Dutch Judge Bob Witt, who were waiting at the Van Der Sloot’s premises when the search team arrived.

11/27/06

VAN SUSTEREN: What about the search of the van der Sloot property? Was that ever done, and was, you know--including, sort of, the cabana area where Joran lives?

DE VRIES: Well, the search in the home address of the family van der Sloot was very strange because the search warrant was made by head prosecutor Karin Janssen, and contained an allowance to search the whole address, “Montanja nineteen.”
So, the gardens, the buildings--everything.

But, when the police was on the spot, another high-ranking employee of the Justice office--it was Mr. Bob Witt--reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran--and that was very strange.

11/28/06
Robert Jensen show

PRdVries: Yes the police missed several changes to do things right: when they wanted to searche the house the door was opened by mr. Ben King, an assistent of the Procurements Gen. office.: the highest justice-office on the island and a friend of the family who wanted to support the VdSloots in these difficult times… So clearly the search of the house hadn’t been a surprise to the VdSloots. And the police had a warrant for the complete estate but a judge - Bob Wit - who was at the house as well said only Jorans room could be searched. These are things a Dutch crime-reporter is of course totaly astonnished about.


Justice Department official Ben King, who later admitted to the media that he was a close friend of Paulus Van der Sloot, claimed he was on vacation and therefore not acting on behalf of the Justice department. It was King who personally informed the search team they could only search the small apartment of Joran Van Der Sloot, located in the back yard of the property just behind the main residence, when they arrived.

Also present at the Van Der Sloot residence was Dutch Judge Bob Witt from Curacao, who was one judge presiding over the case. It should be noted that Paulus Van der Sloot was a Dutch judge-in-training at the time of Natalee Holloway’s disappearance.

Although Joran Van Der Sloot was arrested on June 9, 2005 the Aruba Prosecutor Karin Janssen did not execute a search of the Van Der Sloot residence until nearly a week later on June 15th with members of her office, the Aruba Police department, and Dutch forensics specialists from Holland in tow.

The search itself of the Van Der Sloot apartment looks now to be nothing more than a “mock raid” for media consumption purposes. The search lasted only four hours and was conducted in the middle of the day, quite a contrast to the early morning raid the same Prosecutor ordered on the residences of two black security guards on June 5th.

The two security guards were arrested at 6:30 am and “perp walked” for the mainstream media who also got to witness their residences being ransacked. It was later proven both guards had alibis for the night Ms. Holloway and no evidence was found at either of their homes which ultimately led to their release.

The fact that the Van Der Sloot residence and grounds were not searched was kept hidden from the media until mid-October when acting Police Chief Gerold Dompig revealed his department was denied a full search of the Van der Sloot property on not one, but two occasions. In addition to being denied a full search on June 15th, a second request to search the main residence was flatly denied by a Dutch judge when Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested on June 23rd.

Judicial rulings in the Natalee Holloway case have been riddled with questionable decisions, leading many to believe Paulus Van der Sloot’s personal and professional connections to the Justice Department, Aruba Police Department, and the Dutch judges have deliberately tried to keep the case from being solved.

It now appears there has finally been a proper decision made in this case by Judge Rick Smid. The decision to retain three of Natalee's attackers as official suspects is the first positive step in a very long time.

Will Aruban officials take their cue from this Judge and finally do the right thing for Natalee Holloway?

We will not let up until this victim and her family receive justice.

Natalee's Freebirds
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 :batman: I think these peeps are posting in a new area we do not know about/have access to. I can't believe they have all SHUT UP, lol. They certainly did not drop off the face of the earth.......unless, many of them are actually other posters (diff. names that we have all seen b4)....anyone get what I am trying to say? I don't know...just a thought. Keep on truckin' Monkeyssssss.....love ya all!!
Nut44x4

And another


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Justice Jacob “Bob” Wit


Jacob “Bob” Wit was the judge present at the van der Sloot property on June 15, 2005 who reduced the scope of that search to only the apartment occupied by Joran van der Sloot. His actions that day lead us to wonder why he would risk his career by aiding his good friend, Paulus. Why did Justice Wit wait for the prosecutor at the van der Sloot home to limit her search areas? Why didn’t he simply make that ruling from the bench in the courtroom? Why did he feel the need to do that from the van der Sloot home?

Justice Wit is a judge for the Caribbean Court of Justice. As such, he has a stringent Code of Ethics he must follow at all times – both in and outside the courtroom, as you will read below.

What could his relationship with Paulus van der Sloot have provided this judge in order for him to put his career on the line?

This is a short list of the Code of Ethics Justice Wit obviously violated. We wonder if the Caribbean Court of Justice is aware of Justice Wit’s actions?


Propriety

This code was violated by Wit as seen by his presence at the van der Sloot home prior to the searchers arriving. Both Ben (Voc)King and Paulus van der Sloot are members of the legal profession.

1.3 A judge shall avoid close personal association with individual members of the legal profession, particularly those who practice in the judge’s court, where such association might reasonably give rise to the suspicion or appearance of favoritism or partiality.

Justice Wit used not his home, but that of a suspect in a criminal investigation as a meeting place for himself, said suspect, and a prosecution official.

1.4 A judge shall avoid the use of the judge’s residence by a member of the legal profession to receive clients or other members of the legal profession in circumstances that might reasonably give rise to the suspicion or appearance of impropriety on the part of the judge.

Was there any official reason given, in writing, for Wit’s verbal order at the van der Sloot home for curbing the areas of the search? Or did he merely do this to help his friend Paulus?

1.9 A judge shall not allow the judge’s family, social or other relationships improperly to influence the judge’s judicial conduct and judgment as a judge.

Was the mere presence of Justice Wit at the van der Sloot property enough to dissuade Karin Janssen from arguing the merits of her search warrant granted by the Joint Court? Did Wit use the prestige of his office to intimidate the searchers?

1.10 A judge shall not use or lend the prestige of the judicial office to advance the private interests of the judge, a member of the judge’s family or of anyone else, nor shall a judge permit others to convey the impression that anyone is in a special position improperly to influence the judge in the performance of judicial duties.



Integrity



Justice Wit’s conduct here was certainly not above reproach – as even the acting Chief of Police was distraught at the limits set by Wit on their search of the van der Sloot property.

3.1 A judge shall ensure that his or her conduct is above reproach in the view of reasonable, fair-minded and informed persons.


Wit’s actions assured that not only would justice not be done, but failed to even attempt to create the appearance of justice.

3.2 The bahaviour and conduct of a judge must reaffirm the people’s faith in the integrity of the judiciary. Justice must not merely be done but must also be seen to be done.

How could Justice Wit ever again require others to uphold this Code of Ethics, when he himself ignored them to aid his friend and colleague, Paulus van der Sloot?

3.3 A judge, in addition to observing personally the standards of this Code, shall encourage and support their observance by others.



Impartiality

By reducing the scope of the search of the property of his friend and colleague, Justice Wit blatantly disregarded all thoughts of bias, favour, and prejudice.

4.1 A judge shall perform his or her judicial duties without favour, bias or prejudice.

Not only did Justice Wit lose the confidence of the public with his curtailing of the search, he lost the confidence of the Aruban prosecutor, and law enforcement – as evidenced by the public statements made by Chief Dompig in October 2005.

4.2 A judge shall ensure that his or her conduct, both in and out of court, maintains and enhances the confidence of the public, the legal profession and litigants in the impartiality of the judge and of the judiciary.

Justice Wit should have disqualified and excused himself from making any rulings in this case, as his actions showed he was clearly unable to decide any matters in this case impartially.

4.5 A judge shall disqualify himself or herself from participating in any proceedings in which the judge is unable to decide the matter impartially or in which a reasonable, fair-minded and informed person might believe that the judge is unable to decide the matter impartially.

Paulus van der Sloot, being an attorney and a substitute Judge, continues to be a member of the same fraternal body as Justice Wit. This fact alone should have caused Justice Wit to disqualify himself from making any decisions in this case. They both served on the Joint Court at the same time.

4.5.1 A judge must be sensitive to the fact that fraternal bodies are shrouded in mystery and clothed with a perception of secrecy and of providing unconditional assistance to members in times of need, trouble and distress. Persons who are not members of such bodies are likely to conclude that a litigant, belonging to the same fraternal body as a judge, enjoys an unfair advantage. In such circumstances, it would be appropriate for a judge to disqualify himself or herself in any proceeding in which the impartiality of the judge might reasonably be questioned.

There has been no transparency regarding Justice Wit’s decision to limit the scope of the search. Quite the contrary. His actions even took the Prosecutor by surprise, as this decision by Wit was only made known to Janssen the day of the search, when she arrived to execute the warrant.

4.5.2 A judge should therefore recognize that transparency assists in combating corruption and suspicions, and he or she should encourage judicial colleagues and the court staff to assist in promoting the intrinsic merits of transparent conduct and infusing public confidence in the role, functions and operations of the court.




4.6 A judge shall disqualify himself or herself in any proceedings in which there might be a reasonable perception of a lack of impartiality of the judge including, but not limited to, instances where:


Did Justice Wit become aware that evidence could very well have been obtained through the forensic search of the van der Sloot home and property? Is that the reason he tied the hands of the Prosecutor?

4.6.1 The judge has actual bias or prejudice concerning a party or personal knowledge of disputed evidentiary facts concerning the proceedings;



Equality


Did Justice Wit have discussions with Paulus van der Sloot, unbeknownst to the Prosecutor and law enforcement officials, that led him to understand the involvement of his friend in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?

5.7 Without authority of law and notice to, and consent of, the parties and an opportunity to respond, a judge shall not engage independent, personal investigation of the facts of a case before him or her.



Accountability



7.1 Institutions and procedures for the implementation of this Code shall provide a publicly credible means for considering and determining complaints against judges. This is to be pursued without prejudice or hindrance to the universally recognized and hallowed principle of judicial independence.

7.2 By the very nature of their judicial office, judges are not, except in accordance with the law, accountable for their decisions to any organ or entity within the jurisdiction of the Caribbean Court of Justice or elsewhere, but are accountable for their conduct to institutions that are specifically established to implement and administer this Code.

7.3 The implementation of this Code shall take into account the legitimate needs of a judge, by reason of the nature of the judicial office, to be afforded protection from vexatious or unsubstantiated accusations and due process of law in the resolution of complaints against the judge.


We can’t help but wonder what the Caribbean Court of Justice would have to say about Justice Wit’s actions in the Holloway case.

Has the institution charged with implementing this Code been made aware of Justice Wit’s conduct?

Perhaps they should be………………..

http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/codeofethics.html

We will not let up until this victim and her family receive justice.



Natalee’s Freebirds

He made that ruling against Paulus just to make it look good for the viewing audience.  When you think about he what was the big deal about the ruling when fat head Anita was able to visit him anyway.  No big deal.  I can see them now discussing what they did.

Wit:  Hey Paulus do you think they fell for it.

Paulus:  Yes Yes you did a great job.  Those fools will never know we are related.

FOB Paul should email Taco and ask him for a critique of his favorite client’s book.  The one that starts out with “I am a lying POS.  Always have been and always will be.”

Woo hoo, Angie to the rescue.  Now who said you are the typo queen?  You are the righto queen.

The private heated discussion area.  There you go.  What I have been thinking.  SandraK serving drinks while they argue.

I expect to see a food dish on the floor in the corner
Anna ...too funny... :lol:
I have kats, litter box in the other... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Mattress on the floor... like the drunk/ shelter places. so if they fall out of bed, not far to fall..

I found it.

Aruba Police Dig Aruba-Sized Hole in Search for Holloway Clues

You've almost got to feel sorry for the Aruba police.  One American disappears, and they're condemned to spend the next 50 years digging holes all over their island.  No doubt we'll soon be seeing headlines like "Aruba Digs Holes in Deep Space in Search for Holloway Clues" and "Aruba Hopes Digging Up Entire Ocean Floor Will Provide Solution to Holloway Mystery."

Then again, this series of holes appears more promising even than the last 4,000 series of holes, as this series is being dug in the yard of a guy named Joran van der Sloot.  We do not know about you, but we think that when it comes to a guy named Joran van der Sloot we can safely throw the presumption of innocence out the window.

Everybody knows there are no innocent Sloots.  Just guilty Sloots who haven't been caught yet.

Still, we can rest easy knowing they're not going to find anything in the Sloot series of holes either.  Which means they're going to have to dig more holes, and still more holes, and still more holes after that.

And soon, if everything goes according to plan, Aruba will be nothing but one big hole without an American in it.



http://futility.typepad.com/futility/2007/04/index.html

I tend to agree with this line!

when it comes to a guy named Joran van der Sloot we can safely throw the presumption of innocence out the window.

What is known about Playa Linda?  Do we know anyone that works there?

And this should definately be the final outcome:

...Aruba will be nothing but one big hole without an American in it.

After the convictions and sentencing, of course.   :wink:

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COOPERATIEVE VERENIGING PLAYA LINDA BEACH RESORT  
 
Business address J.E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD. 87, ORANJESTAD WEST  
Legal form  COOPERATIVE SOCIETY  
Name of the COOPERATIEVE VERENIGING PLAYA LINDA BEACH RESORT  
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat  ARUBA  
Date of 11 SEPTEMBER 1981  
incorporation/commencement:
Last amendment in the articles  12 SEPTEMBER 2002  
     
   
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS  
 
BOTBOL DE GABRIEL, SILVANA MONICA;  
Residing in  12-A AVENIDA ENTRE 79-89, TRANSVERSAL, QTA. SAN MARTIN-ARGRIA 79-89, ALTAMIRA, CARACAS, VENEZUELA  
Born in  VENEZUELA on 26 JULY 1965  
Nationality  VENEZUELAN  
Position  SECRETARY  
Effective  2 APRIL 2003  
Authority  RESTRICTED  
   
CAGGIANO, JOSEPH;  
Residing in  268 KISWICK STREET , STATEN ISLAND, NEW YORK 10306-5444, U.S.A.  
Born in  U.S.A., RICHMOND on 13 SEPTEMBER 1935  
Nationality  AMERICAN  
Position  BOARD-MEMBER  
Effective  2 APRIL 2003  
Authority  RESTRICTED  
   
MASSER, JACK IRA;  
Residing in  7360 GREEK VIEW, OHIO, U.S.A.  
Born in  U.S.A., OHIO on 14 OCTOBER 1936  
Nationality  AMERICAN  
Position  BOARD-MEMBER  
Effective  22 FEBRUARY 2005  
Authority  RESTRICTED  
   
RUTHERFORD, ROBERT;  
Residing in  77 LAWTON BLVD, CANADA, U.S.A.  
Born in  CANADA, TORONTO on 9 JANUARY 1939  
Nationality  CANADIAN  
Position  BOARD-MEMBER  
Effective  22 FEBRUARY 2005  
Authority  RESTRICTED  
   
PARKAS, NICOLE ANDREE;  
Residing in  3151 N 47TH AVE. HOLLYWOOD, FLA. 33021, U.S.A.  
Born in  U.S.A., OHIO on 6 AUGUST 1971  
Nationality  AMERICAN  
Position  BOARD-MEMBER  
Effective  22 JANUARY 2006  
Authority  RESTRICTED  
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY  
 
TO PROMOTE MATERIAL INTERESTS OF THE MEMBERS BY PROVIDING RESORT-ACCOMODATIONS IN ARUBA ON A TIME-SHARING BASIS. TO PROMOTE THIS OBJECTIVE THE CORPORATIVE SOCIETY CAN UNDERTAKE TO THEIR OWN THINK FIT NECESSARY RESPECTED LEGAL STEPS, INCLUDING TO ACQUIRE PERSONAL RIGHTS AND BUSINESS RIGHTS IN THE PLAYA LINDA BEACH RESORT

If anyone has not done so yet.. please take out a few minutes to read the document by the Freebirds about   Justice "Jacob" Bob Wit.
Hopefully people will take that info about the Caribbean Court/Justice Wit and run with it.  !!!!  

Got to leave for work. Have a nice day everyone.

Great article-he says it all!  A big hole without an American in it!

mathews has a website where he is trying to expose King, the prison system and RENFRO for the screwing he took, have you seen it?

One big arsehole ex-patriot still MIA

Yes, but by all means -- post the link here so that everyone else can find out what happens to those who oppose the powers-that-be on Aruba, especially minorities.

No, but I'd like to.......

I dont have the link on this computer.

If someone can find it and post it, it is VERY interesting, even talks about the discrimination/bigotry by Refro's rag paper....

I thought this was the link but it looks like the website expired:

http://www.savesannicolas.com/

Notice: This domain name expired on 05/12/07 and is pending renewal or deletion

thats the one, and I was just reading it maybe a week or 2 ago...

That is what I remember also, K.  Looks like there was a tidal wave around/about 5/12/07, silencing and deleting anyone who might expose or speak out about the corruption in and around Aruba.

after reading about the bigotry from Renfro on that site, I started thinking that maye the "slave" and "hitler" line came from renfro when she was helping joran get a story together

"Slave" equal Renfro.
"Hitler" equal Scubajap.

The most interesting things about the supposed use of these two words by Natalee are (1) that would not have entered her mind to say either one of those for more than one reason --- (2) that would have to be a stretch as that is not teenage-speak in this decade.  The person(s) who entered that into the mix apparently have not lived in the USA in a very long while and are living in the past in a third-world country, Aruba.

Natalee would more than likely said, "What do you think the K2 are, your chauffeurs?  How do they put up with your bossing them around?"

My mother is very controlling, think Hillary Clinton.

Yes.

This makes infinitely more sense than any other ridiculous explanation we have been given.    Teenagers do not talk about Hitler.  Or slaves.  How ridiculous.

And do not realize the Chief of Police in Birmingham is most likely to always be black and I believe at present is female, isn't she?  Would love to have seen the look on the faces of those ALE who went to MB to take statements, LOL.  The joke was on them big time!  

We got off to a rocky start with Civil Rights but now have fewer probs than prolly 90% of the nation.  We moved on long ago.
 :roll:

Also many even in this country don't realize we in Alabama have 5-7 counties with a black majority.   :D A person would have to be an utter fool to make slave jokes casually.  Or suicidal.   :D  :D  :D

It just isn't done for many reasons not the least of which is that it is wrong and we do teach our children that from birth!  Believe it or not, Julia.  They are taught at home, at school and at church and all segments of society get along better than in many other places with less of a bad rep in race relations.  Not an issue and certainly not something she would say particularly about two Asians.  

Yes, sounds like something a committee came up with for Joran to fill in details of his fantasy account.  I really don't recall anyone of her generation making racial jokes ever and I have been around more of that age than I can even begin to count.  It would be totally shocking for one to do that.

 :shock:

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I have long been of the opinion that trash comes in many colors.

Anna, I think that the areas in Northwest/Northeast Alabama are more likely predominantly Hispanic now.  Jefferson (Birmingham), Montgomery (Montgomery) are predominantly black; Green, Lowndes, Tuskegee, et al, are definitely predominantly black.  Very few counties save for perhaps Dale, Barbour, Coffee and Houston are predominantly white and that is because two are military communies.  Madison, which is home to Redstone Arsenal boasts more minorities, yet not black, because of the demand for bright minds, i.e., Indians, etc.  For those who do not know, Enterprise High which recently suffered the tornado and lost eight, produces the highest number of military academy appointments of any school in the country.  Dale is probably somewhere there right along with them and Barbour is more tourist/holiday oriented secondary to Lake Eufaula and many people retiring there with its great climate, access to good hospitals in Dothan, Birmingham and Columbus, Georgia.  It is about 50 miles away from the heavy traffic and noisy crowds but close enough that it is convenient.  Jefferson County (Birmingham) has one of the best research universities in the world ,UAB, which boasts a large minority community.  Mobile and Baldwin, more resort areas on the white silver sands of Alabama, and I believe home to Easy, Truman Capote, Harper Lee, Jimmy Buffet, etc.

Hi All  :)

I see Bon Dia has a Article on Joran and his book on page 2. I am on my PC so I dont have a clue how to copy it and bring it here??. I think they are talking about what he said about his time in KIA. It talks about the corruption in KIA..Anyone else see the article?

check it out, the web archives has Mathews site, its a little slow to load

http://web.archive.org/web/20060205184109/http://savesannicolas.com/

3 version you can click on here(under 2006):
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.savesannicolas.com/

******* - Yes, was posted earlier today

http://web.archive.org/web/20051213230608/www.savesannicolas.com/articles.php?news_id=1

Thanks Blah

Interresting that the website is down all of a sudden now though, don't you think?

 Another MIA with the tidal wave of Taco "relays" orders to get it done.  De gustibus non est disputandum

Ahh..Thanks Klaas..

especially I dont see that part where he was tearing into Renfros rag

Does anyone else other than me see this as a consciencous effort on the part of the Taco crowd to become little lambs and expose Aruba as corrupt while playing up to the Matthews crowd and tearing down Jossy's family.  I see this as organized smear campaign that involves Renfro, Anita, Taco and his little "relay" carrier pigeons.

I do......and I also have NEVER agreed that Natalee ever mentioned 'Hitler'.....ever. I do not believe it. These were NOT her words.

YES!!!!! we must have been separated at birth. We see so much the exact same way! :D  :wink:

In Joran's PV he says that Natalee repeated herself 5 times about her Mom being Hitlers sister. :? All a bunch of lies to have certain people despise Natalee and her family...As far as Taco goes he is trying to make the ALE out to be idiots. Like when he mentioned that the Kalpoe car was never forensicly tested.

They must have had the gun to her head at that point saying, "My mother is Hitler's sister; repeat after us five times before we slit your throat."

Interesting how Mathews website had a paragraph or 2 about how renfro's paper slammed him and his family much the same way she slammed Beth and Natalee and now none of that can be found.....

Rob, I think they placed all the race cards against Natalee they could and now they are going to try to make the connection between Natalee and Jossy's family who have been known to participate in drug dealing.  This is the only plausible explanation for their far-fetched stupid scenario.  I think if Cohen was going to make a movie about the south that is honest, he should spend at least an hour here so that he knows the demographic of Alabama is as diverse as any state.  While our governor was not afraid to speak out for Natalee, he still has very broad support amongst all races and religions and and the reason he remains very popular here and is being considered as a potential running mate for some presidential candidates, some whose knees buckle when they need to stand up for their country.

Just boggles my mind..KJ actually inquired to our justice dept about there trip to Austria and being related to Hitler. Dompig on National TV saying she did drugs and probably caused her own death by OD. Renfro worked behind the scenes spreading as much garbage as she could think of.

No one ever mentioned what these Pimps did every weekend. Not once did they mention the possibilty of her being drugged at C&C by predaters. Clear and precise who they were protecting.

http://tinyurl.com/27ar4g


If this our Ernesto -- looks like his divorce was finalized in January of this year. In the Miami courts.

Renfro started working this thing immediately.  At first I thought she was just taking her shot at getting into the international spotlight, but now I am not so certain of that.  It looks more like she was running interference for someone from the start, beginning with the posters and the cell number.

If that is true, she should spend time sitting in jail right next to the rest of them!  :evil:

Another article of interest at the same San Nicholas site, has everyone read this?Notice the contact at the bottom.

http://web.archive.org/web/20051213230608/www.savesannicolas.com/articles.php?news_id=1

Note the new tone in her rag, is no longer about massage-parlor and beach activity, places to eat.  It is about Joran's book and the corruption therein.  Did she decide it was time she go after the other guys and help clean up the island from those who have helped it and turn herself into a cinderella.  What a media prostitute, who finds the issue of the day as her own.

Sorry not sure why that link blew the margins  :oops:  :roll:

There is no doubt she is paid to create "mis-information campaigns"

Someone was already attacking NH and her Family within a few days on every blog. Alot of the comments were deleted like at Trip Advisor..Let's hope the KLPD have a duplicate of Renfro's HD as well..Hopefully she kept her dirty work on the same HD.

Dayhiker, as someone who lives in the Northeast and also as someone that had family members that were exterminated by the Nazi's and relatives (the few there are still alive) were imprisoned by the Nazi's, very few of us ever even talk about Hitler. We do talk about Nazi's in general. It's a sorry chapter most of us would like to forget. We can not forget however, because right now in Iran we are facing a similar threat.

When Hitler is mentioned, it's only in the vilest terms and not associated with a strict mother.

Your absolutely right!! However NH snorting cocaine?? Last thing she would be doing is falling a sleep. Dompig should have got Buti to say he saw her with heroin instead..It would have at least fit the lie.

OT - Pakistan’s woman tourism minister tendered her resignation today after hardline Islamic clerics accused her of obscenity for hugging her instructor after a charity parachute jump.

Just when you think the world has come a long way, we read stuff like this!

Obscene Hug!

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h122/EasyWriter/1_62_hug1.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/Freddyshouse2.jpg)

I found this photo in Chicago's bucket.... is this the same car that was parked in front of the Kalpoes? That pic is from Freddy's house.

look here....Hyro Oduber .. the guy from Aruba Aviation. He looks a lot younger than I imagined.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/HyroOduber.jpg)

more on Ernesto

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/ErnestoArambatzismarriagelicense.jpg)

Hmmmm.

Tyler- Klaas has posted that photo before. I just noticed the car since we finally have a new pic of the outside of the Kalpoe residence.. looks similar.

Yup..We have seen 2 examples of this recently in India as well involving american celebrities.. Not to mention the outrageous stoning of the kurdish girl who associated with a  sunni muslim man. :evil: Not one person tried to save her. I did see however that they arrested 4 family members and were hunting down others.

I wish we could see the wheels better.  Hubs might be the same as the other one.  Do you suppose?  Nah, I don't know what to think.  Too many lies in this case.  Kalpoes took Joran and Natalee to Freddy's car (that stop that they made that has so aluded us).

Thats a old picture..You can see what he looks like in his photo album
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/hyrooduber

GMAB!  I'm assuming this was a 'tandem' jump?  Meaning the guy had been strapped to her back all the way down to the ground?   :shock:   And they're having a problem with the hug, lol???  Wow.  And she's showing so much skin too.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/air51037.jpg)

you guys remeber this shot from one of the Arubay videos? I wonder if this has anything to do with Meneses?????

Rob,

If you can get a clear read on the tail number, we can probably track it down.

LIES LIES LIES.

It all started with lies, Joran lied to MB'ers about who he was, to win their trust.  He lied about the drop off at the Holiday Inn.  Then afterwards, countless other lies to throw suspicion other places, to confuse, to save his sorry arse.

Julia lied about her intentions - fooling the family into believing she was on their side - All the while forcing the knife squarely into their backs.

Kalpoes - lies, and even Moma Kalpoe says hey - big deal, everybody lies.

Even those in the media, - Arlene, lied.  

The list is HUGE of those that were involved in one way or another - lying about any and everything.

Funny thing is, there is a deafening silence... WHY?  

Could it be because the lies are being debunked by someone other than bloggers?  Perhaps the Dutch are putting together the list of lies, and the puzzle pieces are falling into place.

Ya see, when it was just bloggers listing all of the lies and inconsistancies, they figured it was no big deal...what did they have to worry about?  All they needed to do was to have a few flunkies dispute what was found to be lies.

But now, perhaps they are feeling the tightness of the web of lies they have spun for themselves.  They are stuck in that web, and the more they wriggle the tighter it becomes.

Soon the pressure will be put on the right person and someone will sing like a canary.  

The end is coming.

The deafening silence speaks volumes.  JMHO

Sorry about the margins on the last page. I can re-size it, bc it's not from my bucket.

Lifesong- I might be able to get a screen capture of it... but It will prolly come out all fuzzy.

Too fuzzy... cant even get a clear shot of it.

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Not sure:

FV-37350P  ??

All American aircraft are preceded with serial N.

If it's in the aru-bay videos I'm sure it's an Aruban aircraft, probably the one taking the aerial photos.

V= Venezuela?  I have no idea how aviation numbers work.

V2 - Antigua
V5 - Namiba
V7 - Marshall Islands
V8 - Brunei
VH - Australia
VN - Vietnam
VP-F - Falklands
VR-B - Bermuda
VR-C - Cayman Islands
VR-H - Hong Kong
VT - India

Mnt.Brook has a large Jewish population,so I can and do not think Natalee would ever use that phrase.I think of this story as one of Homeric Ethos,Natalee was at the high point of her life,when was killed.Dancing,honors to go to college with her Comrades,and then she was taken.what is joran's ethos,betrayal,lies,rape and murder,some legacy.Godspeed to Tim

All American aircraft are preceded with serial N.

Crap, I thought it was an V, and I did V's.  The only F is this:  F-O - French West Indies.

It seems like I recall that as being teaching aircraft from NATO< but am probably wrong.

The Cutty Shark sank and burned today,no more Scotch,damn what a day to quit single malt.Time for G&T

Just an update - I'm having zero luck so far linking Hugen (Anita's maiden name) to anyone in a position of power in the Hague.  A lot of folks to research though, so I'm not done, just nothing obvious popping up so far.

I have no idea what the identifier is on Aruban aircraft, but you can look it up on the site.  N means North America.  I listed the V's and there is only one F which is French Indes, but I think NATO used that as a training aircraft identifier.  It does not matter what numbers are, they are international "alpha numbers."  Any plane without one according to that requirement,  would probably be shot down.

Got any I's?

I couldn't find that link either.. and I don't think Chicago could either... I'm not sure what the link actually is.

Pilot son is out of pocket today or I would ask.  I would have to call on cell phone and he is probably in meeting and besides you all know how I feel about cell phones.

Go Fish! :lol:  :lol:

http://www.aahs-online.org/articles/N-number.htm

JUst a FYI..967 miles from San Jose Costa Rica ro Aruba.
http://www.mapcrow.info/cgi-bin/cities_distance_airpt.cgi?city3=-1891800%2C01&city4=-1639566%2C01

An R on any airplane in that position means "restricted..."

Found this:  http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0257.shtml

Prefix for private aircraft registered in Aruba is P4-, and will be followed by 3 letters.

Maybe I should talk about the Bard and Shakespeare,it fits anita,so well.

So this is not an Aruban Aircraft.  I only know that "F" is for France.  Could the FX be a fighter aircraft or a FedX aircraft with new designations.  My son did pilot thing in the 1980s and it is hard for me to recall what they all meant, but if there is one in the air that is not designated, it is considered enemy and could be shot down or escorted into nearest airport, etc.  I am sure there are new designations but if "P" is for Aruba, then they should all be under that same alpha designation.

Are we sure that is an 'F'?

I can't tell for sure.

?F-ZAW

YES!!!  She did just that.  No telling what tips she destroyed by posting her own private cell phone number.  Jug was on to her when she said that spiel straight from Anita about Joran going to school and acing his test when he did no such thing.  No tests that day were given and later when he took the AP English test, I heard he made a 1 out of 5 but think he did not even take it until later in the week.  When she went on TV and repeated Anita verbatim, I knew but also more importantly Jug knew they had been double crossed by her, stabbed in the back.

Also remember she is the one who found them in a store and said to get ot the courthouse they had found Natalee's body, etc.  That is one of the most cruel hoaxes I have ever heard of.  Who would do such a thing?

The video of this "stoning" is on youtube and is one of the most disturbing things you will see.  This whole town beat this woman to death in the street.  The whole town was involved and seemed to be happy to beat this woman to death.  Totally disgusting.

This is the mentality the "religion of peace" wants to force on us and the rest of the world - pure evil.

I can't tell either.  TI- is Costa Rica, followed by 3 letters.

I just made the colors inverted. I screen captured the numbers only blew them to 200% and inverted the colors.. best I could do.


I get ?F 2???

does anyone know which video that plane is on? I'll grab some new shots.

Sunny, I think you are closest.

looks like video 37 in the Chicago numbering format.

Which video does that correspond to? I know there is a list some where that breaks them up and correlates them.

TF- followed by 3 letters is Iceland.  That's the only _F I can find.

This shows P4-AVE
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/hyrooduber/photo/294928803308333107/209

could it be a P?  who are the P's?  LOL

ROB - I can't find the movie in the index now.  There is a photo sun.jpg that was uploaded to the aru-bay site in March 2005.  So this plane probably has nothing to do with the case.

Remember there are several movies prior to May 2005 when Natalee arrived.

Hi Monkeys,   Keep up the Good Works

As usual behind a few pages in reading.

Will post in the Lounge the fund raising idea after I finish eBay/Paypal glitches and the Poppy week donations. Poppies for the Veterans. PS.. they are still made by hand at the VA hospital just like you and I remember as a child, except then it had the name of the local American Legion Auxiliary Unit printed on it... now it  says "In Memory" and the year with the name of the ALA on it. We have to open each one by hand!!! and still have some left.

The Salvation Army Kettle and these poppies bring back pleasant memories for many of us.

From the Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_sign

See "Aviation"

So PP is Brazil.

The website AmericanDaughter.com has an archive of various methods of punishment used by extreme Muslims such as stoning, removing an eye, chopping off hands, etc.  I can't watch that stuff as my eyes just close involuntarily when it gets to the nitty gritty.

Stoning is one of the most barbaric things I have ever encountered in my life, however, from what little I did see of that.  And these honor killings are just pure base animalistic attacks.  I read of one girl being raped by all the men in the village and made to parade naked through the streets afterward.  I think some man just wanted an excuse to rape her and so that make up stuff.  

If left unchecked by civilization, it seems that men often hate women.  Not all men for some of them really, really love us but many don't.  I don't understand this.  It is horrible.  It is the opposite of how things should be.  Men should be protecting us and not stoning us to death.  I understand the battle of the sexes but the last thing I would want to really do is kill somebody for basically being of the opposite sex.  

Why do they hate women so much?  Is it resentment because they lust after them or what?  I don't understand it and it is just too barbaric to be happening in this day and age but it is and daily, all the time, lots of it.   Every day young girls are being killed for basically being human.  This just has to stop.  It is happening on OUR WATCH, too. We are sitting by and letting it happen.

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Oh, please fix a G&T for me, too!  It's been that kind of a day!  

I will be so glad when tail docking of puppies is considered mutilation and outlawed in this country so I no longer have to try to explain to a mother dog why I just had her pups tails cut off!  She is totally traumatized and so am I!  I hate this ordeal.

Make that a double G&T!

 :(

Another link

http://www.airodyssey.net/reference/airlines.html

yes, I realize that.. I just wondering if it has anything to do with Meneses.

after our weak-ass congress forces a surrender in Iraq, it will happen alot more!

Anna,A Sapphire Blue,one twist of lime and yes,it is that type of day.

I will bring it up Sat.morning,as I need to work tonight.

I can't find any link with that Andres Meneses from Costa Rica .Except for flight simulation and x-plane being visited on the VDS computer. I would have to guess and say it is another Andres Meneses in Aruba.

Anna,
thanks for sharing that website http://americandaughter.com/, very interesting site.

I can't find any Andres Meneses in Aruba..But there are a few elsewhere..

Andres Meneses-President Latin Street Music Chicago Ill
http://www.laboriqua.com/dancingevents/events_live.asp

Andres Meneses-World Bank Works in Publishing

Bingo Anna.  Those first few days were crucial and Renfro got just what she wanted by giving her cell phone number out.  I bet there were a lot of call that she gave to the ALE to take care off and make sure these people shut up.

Julia Renfro is an American traitor.  She withheld evidence in the kidnapping/rape/murder of an American girl.

just popping in to say hi and have faith monkeys.......
it all comes out in the wash

Regarding those MIA

What if the Sloot computer (taken during last search) had the email correspondance between Anita and the group missing.  Well we know Glenda had been receiving, and probably posting, from ATA because she posted the email she (as Julia) received.  I don't know how the Arubans define obstruction, maybe there is no such term, but seems Anita and the gang could be laying low.  Hope he had a big thank you, in the book, for all of them.

Hi FOM.  This is true.  We might not like the outcome but the truth will come out.

Two for one day at the Tigers den,Anna.

Well, now we all know the police budget was low...so caring for stoned inmates might cut back on overtime.  Gosh, did Joran use any of those cocaine balls the KIA guys were hording??  I didn't even know what a cocaine ball was until Aruba news. :?

Ah...quite possible

I bet my life Joran was using drugs in prison.

Was there another installment of Joran's book translations posted somewhere?  It seemed like Monkeys were referencing new info - but I may just be confused!

AH!  That really hits the spot and is a tremendous help on a day like today!

Thank you Tiger!

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Klaas is there a link to the Google Chicago_510 videos?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4099719971643396692&q=Chicago_510_1

There was an article on one of the papers.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=165289#165289

No, no new installments posted that I'm aware of.  We are just going over different things.

You might know one of the writers there, too, Blah, just under a different name.   :wink:   Not lately but in the last few months.

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Klaas,
How about the snippet about the drugs in KIA?  I think that is new.

Hi, Annie!  I love it when you are back with us!   :D

Annie,
This is what has the cage all worked up!  Joran is saying the cops at KIA are CORRUPT and allow drugs inside the prison, things like that.  He is actually now turning on those who covered up so well for him!!!

I think that is pretty darned nervy of him and interesting.
.

Just stopped in to see if there was news.  Monkeys usually scoop Greta and friends.   :D   Thought I'd bring something over that caught my eye during my forays into junk e-mail.  This is from Pillsbury.com/recipes and it's obvious why it caught my eye.  

Grands!® Monkey Bread
Prep Time: 25 min ; Start to Finish: 1 hr 5 min  
Makes: 12 servings  Nutrition Information

There's no monkey business involved in making this cinnamon-scented pull-apart.
 

 
1/2 cup sugar
1 teaspoon cinnamon
2 cans (16.3 oz each) Pillsbury® Grands!® Homestyle refrigerated buttermilk biscuits
1/2 cup chopped walnuts, if desired
1/2 cup raisins, if desired
1 cup firmly packed brown sugar
3/4 cup butter or margarine, melted

 

1 .   Heat oven to 350°F. Lightly grease 12-cup fluted tube pan.  
2 .   In large plastic food-storage bag, mix sugar and cinnamon. Separate dough into 16 biscuits; cut each into quarters. Shake in bag to coat. Arrange in pan, adding walnuts and raisins among the biscuit pieces.
3 .   Mix brown sugar and butter; pour over biscuit pieces.  
4 .   Bake 28 to 32 minutes or until golden brown and no longer doughy in center. Cool in pan 10 minutes. Turn upside down onto serving plate; pull apart to serve. Serve warm.
 

This seems easy enough for Monkeys and Robots, even those of us who are Emerilly-challenged!   :wink:

You mean a GD Dutchie??


 :lol:

Thanks San & Klaas.   That's what I missed!  

Hi Anna.  I've always been here...every day.  I can't wait until San and I march on over to Westport and take care of Tacopina - that's of course AFTER the Sloots all go to prison.

BRING ON THE CUFFS!   :twisted:

O/T




There is a section in the archives there just on various Sharia punishments and smuggled out actual videos that someone risked their life to get to Nan, the woman who owns the site.  They are of actual killings and mutilations for various alleged crimes under radical Islamic law.  Everything from pushing people off buildings to surgical procedures.  I can't look at them but know they are authentic.

Oh, yeah..forgot about that snippet that was in Bondia.

Anna - Joran just can't lay low and that will be his undoing, I hope.

Is the youngest son the one who posted that terrible riddle on the Internet about Natalee being in their bathtub with lots of his friends seeing her and part of her forehead, I think, is missing?

TIA  Still pages behind if this has been answered. :lol:

No, it was the middle son Valentijn

thank you.. I have already been through that... there doesn't seem to be a link to video 37.

Oh well, I'm not gonna waste anymore time on it.

Lying DJ Diablo still crankin out the tunes at singles night. How Involved is this guy? He lied about the Alibi then he continues to lie about knowing Deepak. Deepak in his PV and in the Skeeters tape tells us the opposite. Was he at C&C and in touch sloots as well when NH dissapeared?

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_wrapper/Itemid,9/


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A bad boy :lol:  8)

You have to wonder why any of these guys were raping girls on Aruba.  Every picture we see of them partying involves women of all stripes, both Arubans and tourists, throwing themselves at guys as unattractive as Mr. DJ.

Steve Croes is a Skank of all Skanks.  He needs to cut his fingernails also that puke face that he is.

I hope someone cuts his fingers off. :evil:

San, do you always have to beat around the bush?  Make your point girlfriend and move on!

:lol:

because their predators.

guy

Well, it must be about the domination and violence - and likely the thrill of group gang bang, 'cause it ain't about just plain ole sex.  They're all SO disgusting.

http://www.sockmonkeylady.com/

I found BT's soul mate ! !
I am sure BT has heard of her, but take at look at the Munkees.
I can email her the link later.
Back to the recipe posted.

 :lol:

That is a nice recipe that GD could do easy with me. I saved it, TY L'il.
The Munkees are into everything, I even have a hand knit " Ugly Monkey " that the child gave to me, so I had to keep it.

Exactly.

LOL, KatGram. I just finished dinner and decided to check on any news at SM and saw this. I have heard of Dee Lindner, and I think she is a very talented lady. I actually didn't have her site listed in my favorites, though, so thanks for the link!  :D

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2084331,00.html

Danny Glover kissing Chavez's ass.

LOL!!  He's BAD BAD, but we luv 'em anyway.  


Hello, all you fabulous monkeys!  What's happening?  I'm still going in a million different directions at a million mph trying to catch up to myself.  All these medical problems and tests have really thrown me for a loop.  Did I tell y'all I fell at Walmart?  Then they gave me the wrong medicine in a vial labeled with my name and the drug it was supposed to be.  Hmmm....   I've stopped my WallyWorld adventures to say the least.  Please folks, look what this one corporation has single handedly done to America. Take heed.  They've gone the way of Home Despots, and I remember shopping at the very first one thinking what a great idea it was.  How many individual Mom & Pop stores did they run out of business?  Now, if you go into HD, you can't find anything or anyone to help you. Another place I stay out of.  I also won't set foot in a Macy's either.

Anyway, just dropping in to say howdy, still fussin' & cussin'.

Don't forget to sign up for the prayer vigil in the lounge.  If someone has powerpoint and the time to make it look presentable, I would gladly apprecciate the help with organizing it.  People are starting to sign up.  It's only a little more than a week away now.

I have read that people addicted to porn have to keep upping the ante so to speak, finding things more and more titillating and stimulating as the thrill quickly fades and I think the same is true with sexual predators, they keep wanting to take things to yet another level.  One that not even the local girls are willing to go to so they drug tourists to do things they don't dare with the girls they have to continue to live with on their tiny fly speck of an island.  Drugged = totally submissive and helpless.  Guess they like that.   :roll:

French Indies.

Its time to start trying these asswipes with treason.  They can start with this POS and Michael fatass Moore.  After they are done with the Hollywood jerkoffs they can move on to Pelosi

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


 :twisted:

And Murtha!  Chavez I heard is financing a movie for GLover.  Now isn't that conveeeniet!

what did i do...now ???

 :oops:

That was my understanding when it was posted.

Robots - you can be as bad as you want to, as long as you continue to feel delicious.  :wink:

oh,,,ok

i feel like a warm apple pie with a soop of ice creem

 8)  :lol:

yeah, and lets not forget Jimmy Carter either!!!

You know - you look a little bit like that too.  :lol:

 :smt006  :smt003

ok one more offtopic and I will quit..

I see Aljazeera is using the same photoshopped/doctored photo's they used the last time Israel retaliated against the terrorists in Lebonnon


 :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :twisted:

Is this what you are looking for:

http://www.aru-bay.com/images/

Hi Monkeys!

Jeesh, Sunfreak
You need to ride around in one of those "bumper car" thingies they have in Wallyworld!!!!

Other than that...how are you doing? I sure hope you get to feeling better soon, seems like you are going through an awful lot lately. :cry:

I dislike WalMart. I did boycott it for several years, then my daughter told me they had embroidery thread in every color that existed. Cheap. So I made a trip there and ran into one of my left wing associates ( they were on to Wally World ages ago ). I was embarassed because that store was on the " list " . Along with any businesses who were in South Africa.
I am not really left wing either / anymore / don't know if I ever was, but I still do not do WalMart. Once in a while, I go if I am with others who are going there.

Hi Debbie!!!

Um, after much digging around, I managed to find my pw to BFN! :oops:

seeeeeeeeee..

i am delicious  8)

I did not know Easy had so many relatives  :lol:  :lol:

It seems that here in the States, Wallyworld is gradually doing away with their crafts/fabric departments. Some stores have already done so and I hear it will be "across the board" soon.
I HOPE not. I like their crafts department.

Its a very large family, doncha know :lol:

Thanks Debbie but I have that.  That's why I was suggesting the video was uploaded prior to Natalee being in Aruba.

Drug a person enough and they will do anything, or nothing -- death will ensue.  If you abuse them when they are in an unwilling, drugged state, you will probably kill them.  You listening, Anita?  We gotcha sporter's number.  He's a raping, drugging, lying murderer.

Hello Monkeys.

Working and Lurking today.

SunFreak - you need to slow down and take it easy - it will all still be there tomorrow.  How long before you know something about little Cherokee?

Artcolley - how are you and how is SeaMonkey? Hope she is feeling better.   Say hello to her from me.

Hey, Danny Glover is an ass himself.  Maybe they can do the nasty to each other.

Tibro I am fine, how are you doing?
Seamonkey is doing fine..still a little out of sorts..groggy from meds, but doing fine physically!

I'm beginning regular routines and managing to get out in the car alone. I WAS scared to death at first. ONce I got used to going in the ditch, I was fine! 8)

They are going to have docs-in-the-box so your hubby can shop while you are having bypass surgery. :lol:

This whole bunch of traitorous morons make me sick to my stomach.

Yes and if you struggle to defend yourself the sporter doesn't like that you would say no so he kills because how dare you fight him off.

Or takes Natalee to Paulus where he in turn finishes the job for his demented son.

Pillsbury® Grands!® Homestyle refrigerated buttermilk biscuits

OK who can translate this for me please.  :lol:  :lol:
I know what you call biscuits we call scones, so I take it these are prepared scone dough maybe frozen or chilled ready to bake????

Apart from that the recipe looks interesting and I can substitute for the "biscuits".   Thank you LilPuma

Tylergal
Woops. Somehow I got my "smilies" into your message box!

 :shock:  :lol:

Monkey Bread is what I used to make for Christmas Eve brunch when all the kids came home and we would sleep in and I had it already to pop in the oven at the first stirring of big sleepy boys.  Then we would leave all the dishes, wrap presents and grudgingly to clean the kitchen before Santa came around the neighborhood at dusk.

:lol:  :lol:

Wheel of Fortune just gave away a trip to Aruba.  I am watching it now.

Glad to hear you are both well.  It is frightening to go out alone in a car after a long break.  Take care.  DH's N/S told him that if he drove a car before getting official clearance and he had or caused an accident the N/S would be liable.

I was sitting here and wondering if we will ever know what really happened to Natalee? The whole story. Of course, we "know" what happened, but I guess I mean, will the Dutch actually come forth, bring charges and have a trial.

We've been here for a couple of years now..through sicknesses, deaths of family members, births of babies, and on and on.
We've been sitting vigil for a long time and I think it is quite time for these authrorities to DO something about this case.

Its very maddening to me. They say, "no evidence"...I say there is PLENTY of evidence. Many have gotten life sentences for much less evidence.
:Only a fool cannot see what happened here. OR a person that is covering up.

Was that the booby prize?

Hi Casa - still balancing I see.   Gee you are going to be tired by 4 July  :lol:

HOpe they include a bullet proof vest and a gun. :twisted:

Yep, I'm still going strong!  Hope I can make it until the 4th!

WOW!  N/S=neurosurgeon?

We need clearance here too, but I got that right away. Had an eye test and can turn my neck so I am good to go! :shock:

But..it is scarey. THe hardest thing is getting the confidence back.
I was lucky to not have some of the side effects that would prevent driving or operating machinery, etc.

OT - Delta and Dawn are on their way back to the ocean!

Al is still quiet in Aruba today.   :?

Or an instruction book on where not to go and who not to talk to!

YEs, that too!!! By all means! :lol:

I actually met Glover on a plane ride to Florida about 3 years ago. He looked like hell and still agreed to take a pic with me. I really regret that now. I could scan it in and post it, but the RU idiots would plaster my face all over the net...

cant say I don't have that coming...LOL

Yes N/S = neurosurgeon.  The official clearance was his medical certificate giving the all clear.  Not sure if reason was the chance of a seizure or the anti-seizure medication he was on for a few weeks afterwards.  He was tentative for a while when he first started driving again.

I guess "gave away" is key here.

Ok 1 more off topic just because I cannot take it anymore....


have y'all seen the video of this illegal punk POS doing the interview where he is saying (and this is not an exact quote)"they sell the papers and you guys know that, they sell the fake ID's and you guys know that, they have everything you need to work in this country and you guys know that, we are going to get the jobs here no matter what"

This is so dam infuriating, they are laughing at us and spitting in our face saying there is nothing we can do to stop them.

Good evening, Monkeys.   :D

In a few years the only tourists still going to Aruba will be staying in those self enclosed resorts where you do not venture outside the perimeter of the resort and do not sight-see or otherwise interact with the locals.  Might as well stay home

The other night I saw an ad for Aruba while watching Nancy Grace.

That is called throwing bad money after bad.
You are a true cat - always napping.  :lol:

If the gooberheads on these pro-Joran blogs knew how much money was going to some, others would be so pi**ed, they would tell all.  :lol:  Of course, there are a couple who once posted here that would do it for air fare to Aruba, so they could meet the WITCH, who is their heroine.  Trash begats trash, or something like that.

Casa, I heard there will be another give-away:  The contestants will all be females and the prize a date with Joran.  The losers got three dates with him.  It will be a new reality show.  "Surviving in Aruba."

OMG.. great idea!!!.. I'll take you up on that one Dayhiker.

Right, Tylergal! I didn't think about it that way! :D

Yes, in fact, I believe that Easy might even be a long lost brother of my sock monkey family.  :lol:

Aw, don't feel bad, Rob
I actually lived with one of the head moonbats daughters for a time. Talk about an experience! THat old moonbat needs to hug her Grandchildren and get a seat on the porch in her rocker instead of mouthing off all over the place! :lol:  :roll:
NOw I hear she is going to have a movie about "mothering".
She used to call me up and ask advice on how to BE a MOTHER. Period.
Cripes.
Buncha nuts.
Odd, since I was a conservative, lol! Guess a lot of them actually want our values...(in the closet , of course..wouldn't dare let any of her cronies know)
And her famous "cookbook"! THe beach can't even cook, roflmao!

Okay, I am gettin on a rant here..time to shut me mouth. :twisted:

Evening Monkeys, been reading along through-out the day, seems nothing in new.   :cry:

Hello tidy how are you.

Hi Tibro - they're just big scones that are refrigerated and ready to bake - not cookies.  :lol:

HI Tidycat!!!
How are you tonight? :lol:

I agree. Why spend all that money to "hide".
After learning about the legal systems on some of those islands, I won't be visiting any of them soon. Too risky and no protection.

Tibro, flour, buttermilk,  a little lard (or butter), made into a thick tea-cake like thingie, no sugar added.  Does that help.  Do you have tea-cakes?

We need to get Tibro over to the Cracker Barrel. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

OMG, ROFLMAO!!!!!

NO, BB, no new news, dern it.  :cry:

I'll bet Tibro would absolutely love Cracker Barrel! :wink:

Thanks BT - I guess I am learning "Americanese".  Said something the other day to DH and he said WHAT?  Must have been an expression I picked up here  (like Rats Patootie) :lol:  :lol:

Will email the book details today - was like a zombie yesterday after all the weekend activities.  :roll:

Yes we have tea cakes.

TY, Tibro.

I know what you mean about picking up expressions. I say sometimes that I'm bilingual - I speak both English and American.  :lol:

When I'm with Simon's family I use the British words for things, and then when I get home I forget and use them here too, and people look at me like I've lost my mind.   :roll:  :lol:

I just love the expressions the Bristish and Australians use for things!!!!

OK - I will bite again :roll:  What is the Cracker Barrel?

There you go:

http://www.crackerbarrel.com/

That is so interesting.  I have bookmarked it to read more later.

It's a chain of old-fashioned restaurants combined with gift shops. They have great food, and on your way out you can buy a rocking chair.  :lol:

Hi Tibro, San, and ArtColley!!!   :D  :D

I apologize.  I signed on, then my hubby yelled at me that Jack Bauer was just coming on!  So I missed your posts.  I'm always doing that.  

And Yes, Tibro, I'm always napping.  This avatar is very true to life!!

I came in to check and see what's going on.  I forgot 24 was doing a double header tonight.  I'll check back a little later to see what I missed here.  
See ya later!   :D  :D  :shock:

By the look of some of their meals that is all you would be able to manage - sit and rock  :lol:  :lol:

Oh my goodness, yes! Only go to Cracker Barrel when you're REALLY hungry.  :lol:

Y'all must be talking about a different Cracker Barrel than the ones we have around here cuz the ones around here are nasty   :puker:

Well, it is good old southern country cooking. Are you not from the south? :lol:

originally, yes.  But these cracker barrels they have around here (Michigan) are not good old southern country cooking, they are nasty instead :puker:


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I guess yankees don't know how to cook southern.  :lol:

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Enjoy your show, Tidycat!
I had to run off for a bit too, the Bichon wanted "monkey time" with her toy monkey! She is wound up today..too much fresh air I guess! :lol:

actually, you are right.  Southern folks are better cooks than yankees



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Oh, lordy mercy - I'm shocked that someone born a southern gentleman would use such an expression.  :shock:  :lol:  :lol:

Gosh - it's easy to tell there's no news today!

Monkey bread, Cracker Barrel - next we'll be discussing crochet patterns or something.  :lol:

cant we just cuss about the libs instead??
 :lol:

I’m not a big Cracker Barrel fan either.  The breakfast menu is okay.  One thing I noticed on their menu was chicken fried chicken and I always wonder WTH?  What is fried chicken if it is not chicken fried chicken?  I understand chicken fried steak, because you fry steak the way you would chicken, but chicken fried chicken???   :roll:

Might as well - I don't have any good crochet patterns anyway.  :P

My British grandmother make teacakes.

Well, exactly! I've asked that my whole life, and no one has ever had an answer!

I'm in!!! :D

BT - email in orbit headed your way  :lol:  :lol:

Blah, in traveling recently, I have found them to be that way, too, but not in our area.  I think it depends on the management.

Got it, thanks, and I will definitely be on the lookout for the books you mentioned.  :D

Since we're off topic and talking about food!  I am making homemade salsa.  One of my students gave me her mom's recipe and it is GREAT!  My children eat it like it was water!!!

COOL!!!

We cab start with this one
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/dean_kitten.jpg)



and then move on to this one....
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/ScaryHillaryClinton.jpg)

Anybody had any good glutens lately?  I find myself craving a gluten tonight with chocolate icing...  :shock:

Ah, several observations here:

1. I have yet to find anything that yankees are good AT, period. :wink:

2. liberals are UGLY. On many levels.

3. Cracker Barrel makes good food but to me, the meals are not big ENOUGH, I always leave there hungry. Their portions are not always adequate.

It would be great if we could travel that quickly and easily  :lol:  :lol:

heres a couple for ya.....

(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/rainforestman.jpg)

Well Casa - don't just tell us about it - Share it!!!  :lol:  :lol:

IF WE ARE GOING TO BE OFF-TOPIC SINCE THERE IS NO NEWS, CAN WE STAY AWAY FROM POLITICS AND RELIGION PLEASE?

 :wink:

I'm sure if I look around the kitchen I can find some for you that have been removed from Simon's food.  :lol:

Yeah, like the transporter on the Star Ship Enterprise.  :lol:

HMMMM

talking about the libs is more like comedy so I guess we need a ruling....





 :lol:



Just Kidding  :wink:

Beam me up, Scotty.
See they sent his remains into orbit......

Very OT..
I am watching a show about a fellow that stutters terribly (on the Health Channel)
It reminds me of a young man I knew many years ago that stuttered horribly, but could sing opera with the most beautiful voice and NO stutter!

Oh well, just sharing a memory! :lol:

I would love to share with you Tibro!   :D

 :salut:   Aye aye Klaas.

I stay off US politics as I can barely understand our own politics  :lol:  :lol:

woops. POsted in someone else's message box again.
Guess its time to go and have a cup of tea! :lol:

Hey, I wasnt the one picking on the Yanks, I'm one too !!!

Mel Tillis stutters very badly too.  It has something to do with the rhythm, foot and brain, etc., that stops stuttering when singing.  I don't remember it exactly but I stuttered very badly after chemo once (something I had never done before) and had some therapy for it.  It was splained to me by the speech pathology person how that works, but to tell you the truth, I had chemo brain so bad, I just glazed over it.  I don't stutter as bad anymore, but sometimes under durress I will.

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Artcolley knows I love her.  :wink:

That is interesting - I have heard that they can sing perfectly when they stutter talking.  I think they have found they can stop the stuttering by using ear muffs (where is Lala's?) so they cannot hear themselves speak.

you got me in trouble!!


but I guess I had it comming for flipping you the bird  :lol:  :lol:

Its so interesting to me. I am amazed at how the human brain reacts to certain stimuli.

Art, you do not have to answer me if you do not want to, but sometimes I think surgery and/or therapy in and around the brain can make one stutter.  I always suspected Rainman in the movie (in real life) had undergone ECT which made him stutter.  No proof of anything I say, but I have a friend whose brother stuttered after AVM surgery.  It is amazing how we even make it through these procedures, muchless ever walk or talk again.  The brain is a delicate little creature.

OKay, okay. To tell the truth, I just wanted to see how it felt to be "offended" by something!  :lol:
Actually, people that get offended easily "offend" me! Har har har!

I think by drugging and raping them, they get to do things to them that even a whore wouldn't do, plus there's the filming part of it.  Aruban girls are EASY, according to the young VDS.  These are increditably sick young boys way beyond what most of us can fathom. They weren't brought up with the same morals most all of us are familiar with.

LOL, I see you already responded.  Yes, it is an amazing thing.

Time to revive the recipe thread in the Lounge    :wink:  :wink:

my brain is low on memory.

I have to forget something in order to learn something new :x

LOL!! Never looked at it that way but boy, you brought that home.  WTF

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aint that the truth though, people who run around playing the "I'm offended card" just so they can gain some tiny piece of control over others is getting way out of hand.  People running around being offended all the time should have to go to a stick and stones may break my bones class or something

Thank You!!!!!!!!!!

LOL, Cracker Barrels in Ohio are good, at least to me.  My DH isn't crazy about it.  But the best southern cooking us Yankees can get!  :lol:

I'll make a thread in the Lounge and post the recipe.  It is really easy!  You can make a BIG batch and put it up in jars and store it in the pantry.

Tylergal What you say is very true. AVM surgery can be devastating to some people..it depends on where in the brain it is as to what is effected and how deep. Also, your state of mind, family support, and the expertise of te doctor all make a huge difference in the recovery. I was fortunate to have one of the best teams in this area of Brain Surgery..AVM's are my doctor's specialty and area of interest. He also teaches this at Harvard.
I was left with none of the serious things for which I am eternally grateful. BUT, I was warned these things could occur before going into surgery. There are some that go into a coma and never wake up, for instance. Some have seizures, some never regain the ability to walk or talk.
I have 99% of my old self back. My only deficits now are that I do tend to need a nap in the afternoon sometimes and I do get cluster headaches that are lessening to the point where I haven't had one for a week now.
Those headaches only come on when sleeping (rem sleep) and last about 3 hours. Then go away til the next night and one eye bothers me at times. But hard to tell if it is sinus problems or from the surgery.

However, other things "woke" up.  I have realized I have gained some uncanny abilities that I can't explain, but that is a whole "nother story! :wink:

Tib, I would love to see some Aussie recipes!  But you might have to translate some things...  :wink:

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Earthquake is California :lol:  :lol: IBE's have a Cracker Barrel attack!!! :lol:

One more off topic response.  Go here to get your own fold out Flat Fatima that you can put in any photo at any time.  Makes photoshopping those pics a breeze!

http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=798


Yes, I am a few pages behind due to nap!

Otherwise I get cranky, so I am told.   :roll:

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I wanna hear the whole "nother story." Please?

Speaking of MIA - fork RenHO and her ilk, has anyone heard from CarNut lately???

I don't know what I would identify as "Yankee" cooking, actually... it doesn't seem to have  any specific food or taste associated with it, like fried chicken, etc.

I guess if you could consider something like Maine lobster as authentic Yankee cooking, I say BRING IT ON!!! I could DEFINITELY enjoy the seafood and such that you find up in New England.

Your right, You make me try to think.  All I can say, is OH is very diverse, but cannot think of "Yankee" food either.

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How do you find these websites?????

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Thanks all for the Cracker Barrel convo.  I can't think straight and almost drowned in my own saliva thinking of their chicken, mashed potatoes and biscuits smothered in gravy with a side of mashed potatoes and biscuits smothered in gravy!
Thank God their lines are always too long, and yes I know the line goes quick, but shhhhh, don't tell me that.


IBE I hope you read this post. I always think of you when I wear my SM t-shirts! And I feel like a super Monkey!


SunFreak, I will give PowerPt a try tomorrow if you still need someone.


SB, Yankees are good at baseball :P
At 14 yrs, I traveled to FL w/ my family, we stopped in a small dinner in VA. The waitress, said, you're all yankees. I said no. We are from Philly. She looked at me like, Is Philly on Mars?, then I said We are Phillies fans.
My parents had to explain to me what a yankee was. :lol:

Hey Monkeys!

Dihannah - yes I will find some Australian recipes and post in the lounge as time permits.  Will try to translate where I can.  Measurements are usual metric though, and they are hard to convert especially in the small amounts.
I do have a cookbook that explains some of the differences such as all purpose flour etc.

Goodnite, be back tomorrow. Death to the VanDerSloots!!!

I still like Gumbo,hot water corn bread and Brunswick stew.Mixed inside/outside sliced is good and a good Greek salad.Thank Klass.

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Nite Indy

Ok, I posted my salsa recipe in the Lounge!  If anyone trys it let me know what you think!  My family loves it!

Nite, IndyDan.