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Missing Persons - High Profile => Susan Powell 28yrs old, missing 12/6/09 West Valley City, Utah => Topic started by: MuffyBee on August 20, 2011, 03:40:07 PM



Title: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 - 5/07/12
Post by: MuffyBee on August 20, 2011, 03:40:07 PM
(http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID22460/images/susan_powell_missing_poster2.jpg)


(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width_scaled/hash/3f/dd/susan%20and%20boys%20hardman%20photography.jpg)::MonkeyAngel::


*my edit to include the children with Susan... R.I.P., all three...

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/susan20powell20with20son20shortly20before20his20death.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/24966015.jpg)

My edit to add 2 more photos of the boys (klaasend)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 07, 2012, 10:35:22 AM
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_charles_braden_powell_dm_120205_wg.jpg)
::MonkeyAngel:: REST IN PEACE CHARLIE AND BRADEN   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 07, 2012, 11:26:01 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/KSLSharaPark (https://twitter.com/#!/KSLSharaPark)
Shara Park @KSLSharaPark
@Kiirs (http://@Kiirs) Wells Fargo, Chuck says it will be under the Charlie and Braden Memorial Fund. #findsusan
 (#post_findsusan)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 07, 2012, 11:57:05 AM
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/02/07/disturbing-new-details-autopsy-reveals-josh-powell-attacked-sons-with-hatchet/
10:45 am ET February 7, 2012
Disturbing New Details: Autopsy Reveals Josh Powell Attacked Sons With Hatchet
by America's Newsroom Posted in: Dan Springer, Josh Powell, Susan Powell   

Video at link.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Sister on February 07, 2012, 12:02:58 PM
I am so angry I think I could spit nails.
I haven't felt this rage since momster got off.
 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 07, 2012, 12:35:32 PM
I am so angry I think I could spit nails.
I haven't felt this rage since momster got off.
 ::MonkeyMad::

And the autopsy reports just make it worse.  Why take physical vengeance out on the boys?  What had they done?   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: BabsKats on February 07, 2012, 12:48:31 PM
I am so angry I think I could spit nails.
I haven't felt this rage since momster got off.
 ::MonkeyMad::
Sister I feell the same and with all that is coming out now about that monster I just will never understand how or why they weren't protected. 

The grandparents did everything possible to keep them safe, why the courts allowed him anywhere near them, I feel is the main reason that  this happened.

This man was sick and evil, from the day Susan disappeared action should have been taken to remove the boys. 

The boys would have been able to tell what they knew immediately and the monster would have been locked up.  Instead they lived with him to be tormented with the loss of there mother and not allowed to even mention her name.   

Wake up America, time to turn things around.....The children come first, not the so called rights of these horrible monsters that  should have no rights.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 07, 2012, 12:54:06 PM
Did court order for psycho-sexual evaluation push Powell over the edge?

by Elisa Hahn / KING 5 News
NWCN.com
Posted on February 6, 2012 at 11:36 PM
Updated yesterday at 11:41 PM
SNIPPED throughout

During Josh Powell's custody hearing last week, a judge took issue with a disturbing picture found during a search of his Utah home two years ago.

It was "a picture, depicting the torso of a woman with a sword from her vagina up to her heart," says Steve Downing, the Cox family attorney.

So instead of allowing him to regain custody of his children, Judge Kathryn Nelson ordered a psycho-sexual evaluation for Powell.

"They are highly intrusive," says Pierce Co. Prosecutor Mark Lindquist. "They go on for several hours. The subject's entire life history is studied. The subject's entire sexual history is studied. The subject undergoes a personality test and all of this is done with a polygraph."
Lindquist says the court-ordered evaluation was a "lose-lose" for Powell.

"Either he refuses to take to take it and he loses custody of his children, or he takes it and reveals information that will cost him custody of his children," says Lindquist.

MORE>>

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http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=138831984&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10212


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 07, 2012, 01:05:02 PM
Jailed father of Josh Powell now a person of interest in Susan Cox Powell’s disappearance; placed on suicide watch

TACOMA, Wash. — Steven Powell, the jailed father of Josh Powell and grandfather of Charles and Braden Powell, has been named a person of interest in the disappearance of Susan Cox Powell.

On Sunday, Steven Powell was placed on suicide watch.

 ::snipping2::

Pierce County deputies said Steven was uncooperative with questions about the explosion and was not overly emotional.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.yakima-herald.com/stories/2012/02/07/jailed-father-of-josh-powell-now-a-person-of-interest-in-susan-cox-powells-disappearance-placed-on-suicide-watch


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 07, 2012, 01:07:14 PM
Did court order for psycho-sexual evaluation push Powell over the edge?

by Elisa Hahn / KING 5 News
NWCN.com
Posted on February 6, 2012 at 11:36 PM
Updated yesterday at 11:41 PM
SNIPPED throughout

During Josh Powell's custody hearing last week, a judge took issue with a disturbing picture found during a search of his Utah home two years ago.

It was "a picture, depicting the torso of a woman with a sword from her vagina up to her heart," says Steve Downing, the Cox family attorney.

So instead of allowing him to regain custody of his children, Judge Kathryn Nelson ordered a psycho-sexual evaluation for Powell.

"They are highly intrusive," says Pierce Co. Prosecutor Mark Lindquist. "They go on for several hours. The subject's entire life history is studied. The subject's entire sexual history is studied. The subject undergoes a personality test and all of this is done with a polygraph."
Lindquist says the court-ordered evaluation was a "lose-lose" for Powell.

"Either he refuses to take to take it and he loses custody of his children, or he takes it and reveals information that will cost him custody of his children," says Lindquist.

MORE>>

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http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=138831984&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10212

Well, My God! That says it all, doesn't it???? If the only two results were that Josh couldn't pass the evaluation or that he would refuse to take it because he couldn't pass it, then WHY the he** were those children allowed to be in his company??? Add to that, the HUGE and KNOWN probability that he had murdered his wife and mother to those children, then how could the judge have allowed the visits at all, much less in Josh's home??


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 07, 2012, 01:11:05 PM
The way I see it, the picture depicts torture and violence.  What was the judging thinking?  The poor babies never had a chance!  The judge should have ordered a safe "neutral" location with strict supervision.  Unbelievable!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 07, 2012, 01:13:00 PM
A recording of Graham firefighters and emergency dispatchers responding to Sunday's fire

Triple Fatal Fire Audio Graham Washington 2/6/12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMdhw1urgEQ


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 07, 2012, 01:16:47 PM
Susan Powell's parents: Kids didn't want to visit Josh that day

Chuck and Judy Cox, the parents of Susan Cox Powell and grandparents of Charlie and Braden Powell, appeared on NBC's Today show Tuesday morning, talking about murder of their grandsons and the disappearance of their daughter. The following are excerpts from their interview.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Susan-Powells-parents-Kids-didnt-want-to-visit-Josh-that-day-138851739.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 07, 2012, 01:31:40 PM
Will Susan Powell’s Body Be Found After Josh Powell Killed His Sons?
 
::snipping2::

It may have been Powell’s intent to silence a murder’s only witnesses. As his sons, 5-year-old Braden and 7-year-old Charles, have grown older, they’ve said some revealing things about their mom and dad and the day she disappeared.

Susan Powell’s father, Charlie Cox, told reporters on Monday that he believes his grandchildren could have helped investigators find their mother, even if it took some time.
 
“I do think they knew something,” Cox said, “and I do think [police] would have eventually have been able to find out what they knew and find my daughter.”

The summer after Susan Powell went missing, the boys were at a day camp, and Braden drew pictures of a minivan with three people inside, Cox said.

“That’s, me, Daddy, and Charlie,” the boy said. “But Mommy’s in the trunk.”

Braden didn’t say why Mommy was in the trunk. He was only 2 at the time

It’s too soon to tell whether Josh Powell succeeded in hiding his sons’ secrets, though. Cox’s attorney and others who spoke with The Daily Beast on Monday said they are hopeful that if anything good could come out of the killings, it’s new information about Susan Powell’s whereabouts.

The deaths may allow investigators to press harder, said Chuck and Judy Cox’s Seattle attorney, Anne Bremner.

“It’s likely we’ll find out more about her disappearance now,” Bremner told The Daily Beast. “Even though police are saying this is an ongoing investigation, there’s a court order requiring confidentiality. If someone is dead who’s the subject of that investigation, they’ll have a harder time keeping that information in.”

Bremner has long suspected the boys had information, she said; they made comments about Mommy being “in the mine” and “if we can find the mine, we can find Mommy.” One of the places policed searched was in the remote central Utah desert, around Topaz Mountain, a popular spot for rock and gem hunters, 30 miles south of where Josh Powell told police he went camping when his wife disappeared.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/07/will-susan-powell-s-body-be-found-after-josh-powell-killed-his-sons.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 07, 2012, 01:32:01 PM
We, as a society, are not doing enough to protect our children. Period.

I believe that at the point children are removed from a parent, special legal circumstances should kick in. I believe that parent's "rights" to that child/children should not be equal to the well being and safety of the child....... and right now, make no mistake, the rights of a biological parent ARE balanced with the children's well being.

I believe that a parent, who has had their child removed, should not be allowed to even petition a court for a path toward re-gained custody without demonstrable evidence of change. In this case, Josh should have been mandated to prove that the child porn was not his and that he was unaware of it's existence. The judge, basically, was searching for that proof when he ordered Josh undergo the evaluation and polygraph; but he allowed visitation in the meantime. That's the problem.

There is application in any circumstance I can think of, whether it be where children are removed because of parental drug use, or physical abuse, or neglect, etc. Parents should have to come to court prepared with drug free screenings for 6 months, or perfect attendance in parenting/anger management classes, or proof they were wrongly accused, or whatever would demonstrate the change from what caused the child to be removed in the first place. That evidence should have to be present before they can even get a hearing to request visitation. Show me the job and the work record....... show me the home and the means to support.......... show me the drug/alcohol drug screenings and AA attendance. I have seen first hand the way it is right now and I can attest that parents who have had a child removed can walk into court fresh from jail and simply say, "I've changed, judge, and that's my kid and I have a right to see him" and guess what? Visitation is granted.

It's wrong. Maybe children should be appointed an attorney to represent them and be their advocate automatically when they've been removed from their parents. Children are falling through the cracks and sometimes; too often, the fall is a tragic one.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 07, 2012, 01:51:33 PM
Susan’s Powell sister says Josh was about to be arrested for murder

In an interview with CNN on Tuesday morning,  Denise Cox, the sister of missing woman Susan Cox Powell, said Utah police were about to arrest Josh Powell for murdering Susan.

“I was told from my family that they were working on a case without a body to go after him for murder, and it was within a few weeks the arrest was going to take place, and we were all excited that something was going to happen, and that we might be able to bully Josh or make a deal or something to tell us where Susan is. Unfortunately, that won't happen,” said Cox.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/susans-powell-sister-says-josh-was-about-be-arrest/nHW4Z/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 07, 2012, 01:54:24 PM
 ::snipping2::

The blaze began about three minutes after the boys went inside.

Tom Poste, fire marshal for Pierce County, said Tuesday he believes the fire was fueled by gasoline. He said samples of an accelerant were taken and turned over to police.

Josh Powell spread the gasoline throughout the house. One empty, destroyed gas can was found inside the front door. The second 5-gallon gas can was found intact. It was protected by Josh’s body when he fell on it, Poste said.

"It had some liquid left in it but it was very close to [empty]," he said.

Poste believes the gasoline was already spread when the boys arrived.

"The time line was way too fast for him to spend any time dousing gasoline," Poste said.

There is a fire station one-quarter mile from the house, but the house was too far ablaze for firefighters to do any good when they arrived, he said.

Neighbors said they heard and felt and violent shaking. Poste said that was likely from the force of the gasoline igniting.

"That would be an indicator of an explosion to me," Poste said. "Where we found some of the roof materials and such indicate it was a violent explosion."

 ::snipping2::

http://**/sltrib/news/53463749-78/powell-josh-cox-chuck.html.csp


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: amom2 on February 07, 2012, 01:57:59 PM
This whole thing is about as bad as it gets. How very, very, very sad. My prayers are for the family members who are grieving, and have been through far too much already.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 07, 2012, 02:04:24 PM
We, as a society, are not doing enough to protect our children. Period.

I believe that at the point children are removed from a parent, special legal circumstances should kick in. I believe that parent's "rights" to that child/children should not be equal to the well being and safety of the child....... and right now, make no mistake, the rights of a biological parent ARE balanced with the children's well being.

I believe that a parent, who has had their child removed, should not be allowed to even petition a court for a path toward re-gained custody without demonstrable evidence of change. In this case, Josh should have been mandated to prove that the child porn was not his and that he was unaware of it's existence. The judge, basically, was searching for that proof when he ordered Josh undergo the evaluation and polygraph; but he allowed visitation in the meantime. That's the problem.

There is application in any circumstance I can think of, whether it be where children are removed because of parental drug use, or physical abuse, or neglect, etc. Parents should have to come to court prepared with drug free screenings for 6 months, or perfect attendance in parenting/anger management classes, or proof they were wrongly accused, or whatever would demonstrate the change from what caused the child to be removed in the first place. That evidence should have to be present before they can even get a hearing to request visitation. Show me the job and the work record....... show me the home and the means to support.......... show me the drug/alcohol drug screenings and AA attendance. I have seen first hand the way it is right now and I can attest that parents who have had a child removed can walk into court fresh from jail and simply say, "I've changed, judge, and that's my kid and I have a right to see him" and guess what? Visitation is granted.

It's wrong. Maybe children should be appointed an attorney to represent them and be their advocate automatically when they've been removed from their parents. Children are falling through the cracks and sometimes; too often, the fall is a tragic one.
BBM

In many states children are appointment an attorney (Guardian ad litem is sometimes the term used) during custody issues between parents.  I guess Washington isn't one of those.  CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocate) also are sometimes assigned to children to represent the best interest and when appropriate wishes, of the child.  Those who are able and have an interest in helping to protect children should look into becoming a CASA volunteer. 

I don't know if Superman could have protected these kids once maggot man realized that his dirty little secrets were getting ready to be revealed to the world.  He must have become absolutely enraged that he was cornered, especially by a woman judge.  He is a hater and he chose to "show" the judge and the rest of the world how mad he was.  He would get his final revenge on the Cox's for there continuing to cause him trouble and standing up for their daughter.  In the end he got his revenge, at least in his mind, on the world who refused to show him the respect that he deserved.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 07, 2012, 02:09:40 PM
We, as a society, are not doing enough to protect our children. Period.

I believe that at the point children are removed from a parent, special legal circumstances should kick in. I believe that parent's "rights" to that child/children should not be equal to the well being and safety of the child....... and right now, make no mistake, the rights of a biological parent ARE balanced with the children's well being.

I believe that a parent, who has had their child removed, should not be allowed to even petition a court for a path toward re-gained custody without demonstrable evidence of change. In this case, Josh should have been mandated to prove that the child porn was not his and that he was unaware of it's existence. The judge, basically, was searching for that proof when he ordered Josh undergo the evaluation and polygraph; but he allowed visitation in the meantime. That's the problem.

There is application in any circumstance I can think of, whether it be where children are removed because of parental drug use, or physical abuse, or neglect, etc. Parents should have to come to court prepared with drug free screenings for 6 months, or perfect attendance in parenting/anger management classes, or proof they were wrongly accused, or whatever would demonstrate the change from what caused the child to be removed in the first place. That evidence should have to be present before they can even get a hearing to request visitation. Show me the job and the work record....... show me the home and the means to support.......... show me the drug/alcohol drug screenings and AA attendance. I have seen first hand the way it is right now and I can attest that parents who have had a child removed can walk into court fresh from jail and simply say, "I've changed, judge, and that's my kid and I have a right to see him" and guess what? Visitation is granted.

It's wrong. Maybe children should be appointed an attorney to represent them and be their advocate automatically when they've been removed from their parents. Children are falling through the cracks and sometimes; too often, the fall is a tragic one.
BBM

In many states children are appointment an attorney (Guardian ad litem is sometimes the term used) during custody issues between parents.  I guess Washington isn't one of those.  CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocate) also are sometimes assigned to children to represent the best interest and when appropriate wishes, of the child.  Those who are able and have an interest in helping to protect children should look into becoming a CASA volunteer. 

I don't know if Superman could have protected these kids once maggot man realized that his dirty little secrets were getting ready to be revealed to the world.  He must have become absolutely enraged that he was cornered, especially by a woman judge.  He is a hater and he chose to "show" the judge and the rest of the world how mad he was.  He would get his final revenge on the Cox's for there continuing to cause him trouble and standing up for their daughter.  In the end he got his revenge, at least in his mind, on the world who refused to show him the respect that he deserved.

BBM above....

A report on the Powell children

Meanwhile, Julio Serrano, the guardian ad litem in the case, said he noticed improvement in the two boys since the last time he met with them.

"The children are doing very well in the Cox home," he said. "My recommendation is to remain in that environment."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=19086889



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 07, 2012, 02:29:15 PM
Video at link

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/josh-powells-voice-mail-explosion-killed-kids-15527878

Powell's Voice Mail: 'I Am Not Able to Go On' ABC News has obtained one of the last messages from Josh Powell.
03:10 |02/07/2012


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 07, 2012, 03:15:56 PM
There is an appointed guardian ad litem in the state of Virginia too, but their role is not to be solely an advocate for the child, or at least that was what expressed to me. She told me that she must be impartial toward all parties. I'm advocating for a blatantly partial representative for the child with no eyes for anything other than where the child is safest and has opportunity and best expectation to thrive, without consideration for parental rights or desires of any other party.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 07, 2012, 03:25:23 PM
There is an appointed guardian ad litem in the state of Virginia too, but their role is not to be solely an advocate for the child, or at least that was what expressed to me. She told me that she must be impartial toward all parties. I'm advocating for a blatantly partial representative for the child with no eyes for anything other than where the child is safest and has opportunity and best expectation to thrive, without consideration for parental rights or desires of any other party.

CBB - I only have experience with the ad litems I have worked with in Texas.  They are appointed for the child whether it be in a case of conservatorship issues in a divorce or whether it is a CPS removal case.  The judges here put a great deal of weight on the suggestions and recommendations of the ad litem attorney.  Once the children become verbal, the ad litem will speak with them, as well as the parents and/or CPS, when making decisions based on the "best interest of the child."  ::CowboySmiley::



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 07, 2012, 03:39:20 PM
Powell's cousin wants FBI probe of 'cyberbullying' of father

SALT LAKE CITY - A cousin of Josh Powell is imploring the FBI to launch an investigation into Facebook postings that he claims "cyberbullied" Josh Powell and possibly contributed to the man's decision to kill himself and his children in a dramatic Washington house fire over the weekend.

Nathan Leach contacted the Seattle division of the FBI with screen shots taken from the "Where is Susan Powell?" and "Friends and Family of Susan Powell" Facebook pages in recent months.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/67248


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 07, 2012, 04:18:05 PM
Charlie recently wanted his picture taken with his mommy  ::MonkeyTears::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/susan20powell20with20son20shortly20before20his20death.jpg)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Green Eyes on February 07, 2012, 04:28:58 PM
Charlie recently wanted his picture taken with his mommy  ::MonkeyTears::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/susan20powell20with20son20shortly20before20his20death.jpg)

OH Klaas  ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 07, 2012, 05:28:30 PM
May have already been posted:

http://**/breaking-news/ci_19912471 (http://**/breaking-news/ci_19912471)

Funeral for Powell boys to be Saturday in Wash.
The Associated Press
Posted:   02/07/2012 01:42:32 PM PST
Updated:   02/07/2012 01:42:32 PM PST

PUYALLUP, Wash.—The funeral for the two sons of missing Utah woman Susan Powell has been scheduled for Saturday in Washington state.

The service will be held at 1 p.m. at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Stake Center in Puyallup (Pyoo-AL'-up), south of Seattle.

 ::snipping2::

Steve Downing, an attorney for Susan Powell's parents, said the public is welcome at the service. The address is 13420 94th Ave. East in Puyallup.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 07, 2012, 06:19:01 PM
Susan Powell case called a murder

Authorities have been investigating the disappearance of Susan Powell as a murder for at least several months, while they publicly left open the possibility that the Utah mother might be found alive.

A search warrant obtained by The Associated Press through a public records request Tuesday shows that police were investigating three felonies in Utah: first-degree murder, kidnapping and obstructing a public servant.

Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill acknowledged for the first time that they believe Powell is dead, saying in an AP interview that the case is being handled as a murder investigation.

Investigators are now reassessing the case after her husband and "person of interest" in her disappearance, Josh Powell, torched his home this weekend, killing himself and their two young children.

 ::snipping2::

http://mynorthwest.com/174/532540/APNewsBreak-Susan-Powell-case-called-a-murder


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 07, 2012, 06:32:03 PM
Charlie recently wanted his picture taken with his mommy  ::MonkeyTears::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/susan20powell20with20son20shortly20before20his20death.jpg)

 ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on February 07, 2012, 06:33:28 PM
The judge that allowed this murderer to have visitation in his own home is an ass!  I hope that he/she has trouble sleeping at night! 

I was very upset when I read this but when I talked to my sister and she told me what he did to the boys I almost threw up!  I'm at a loss for words as to how a parent could do this to his own kids. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on February 07, 2012, 06:36:33 PM
Powell's cousin wants FBI probe of 'cyberbullying' of father

SALT LAKE CITY - A cousin of Josh Powell is imploring the FBI to launch an investigation into Facebook postings that he claims "cyberbullied" Josh Powell and possibly contributed to the man's decision to kill himself and his children in a dramatic Washington house fire over the weekend.

Nathan Leach contacted the Seattle division of the FBI with screen shots taken from the "Where is Susan Powell?" and "Friends and Family of Susan Powell" Facebook pages in recent months.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/67248
I hate to tell his cousin but this guy was a nut case even before this happened so I doubt that had anything to do with it if indeed it happened.  I think he did it cause he felt he may lose his boys and if he couldn't have them then Susan's parents weren't going to get them either.  Plus, the boys were starting to open up more to the grandparents. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 07, 2012, 06:46:16 PM
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/apnewsbreak-susan-powell-case-1334485.html
National / World News 6:16 p.m. Tuesday, February 7, 2012
APNewsBreak: Susan Powell case called a murder

By MIKE BAKER

The Associated Press

OLYMPIA, Wash. — Authorities have been investigating the disappearance of Susan Powell as a murder for at least several months, while they publicly left open the possibility that the Utah mother might be found alive.

A search warrant obtained by The Associated Press through a public records request Tuesday showed that police were investigating three felonies in Utah: first-degree murder, kidnapping and obstructing a public servant.

Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill acknowledged for the first time that they believe Powell is dead, saying in an AP interview that the case is being handled as a murder investigation.

Gill wouldn't discuss the evidence, but said authorities don't have enough information to file charges in the case.

"I think when I talk about it as a missing persons case, that's because we haven't located the body of Susan Powell," Gill said. "Do we think that she may have met harm? Sure.

"I think that's been an ongoing assumption with law enforcement," he said, adding that the case remains "open and active."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 07, 2012, 07:36:36 PM
Father-in-law considered a 'person of interest' in Susan Powell disappearance

GRAHAM, Wash. — West Valley Police have confirmed that Steven Powell is a person of interest in the disappearance of Susan Powell.

According to West Valley Police Chief Buzz Nielsen, Powell is considered a person of interest because of the information he may know, but they are not calling him a suspect at this time. Nielsen said he does not know if Powell had a role in Susan's disappearance, but may know something about what happened to her.

"They lived together in the house," Chief Nielsen said. "There are things he should want to talk to us, we hope."

Chief Nielsen said the police department's interest level with Powell has grown since a case began building against him in Washington. However, he also said several other people have peaked their interest about Susan's disappearance.

"They'll be some friends, family friends, family members," he said. "We'll go back and talk to some of the family members that would be related."

After Sunday's double murder-suicide involving Josh Powell and his two sons Charlie and Braden, Chief Nielsen said their department has been flooded with new leads related to Susan's disappearance. He said they're also getting threats.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19153551


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 07, 2012, 08:40:33 PM
http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-lawmakers-call-for-dshs-supervision-changes-20120207,0,1127948.story
Attorney: Powell visitation circumstances 'very unusual'
State Rep. Goodman to question DSHS about practices
Dana Rebik Q13 FOX News Reporter
4:54 p.m. PST, February 7, 2012

 ::snipping2::
Engel said in his experience that when a parent loses custody, supervised visits are almost always at a neutral site like an office, mall or restaurant.

“If you're going to go from neutral visitation to home visitation, there's going to be a swing to where one parent is going to get custody back, but given what I know about this case, that wasn't going to happen at all,” Engel said.

DSHS’ decision has now drawn the attention of state lawmakers.

“Here we have a guy who is a person of interest in the disappearance of his wife,” said state Rep. Roger Goodman, D-Kirkland. “You have the guy's father who's in jail for some other disgusting stuff related to children. The supervised visits are OK, but a visitation at the home is just not appropriate.”

Goodman sits on the Early Learning and Human Services Committee, which oversees the DSHS, and said he has a lot of questions for the agency.

“The visit to the home was a big risk -- we ought to take a look at how supervised visits are conducted in the future,” Goodman said. “On the committee, we're going to be able to take a look at what DSHS procedures are and also the courts. This is one of those extreme situations where we want to do everything we can to prevent it [from happening again].”

When DSHS was contacted to comment, a spokesperson said the agency believed the home visits were appropriate and that there was no indication Powell was a threat to his kids.


Meanwhile,as anyone in authority tries to pull their head out of their collective azzes there is a funeral being planned for Charlie and Braden.
I am just absolutely disgusted. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Babybear on February 07, 2012, 09:02:49 PM
Hello Monkeys.....This sorry excuse for a human being was absolutely evil.  It was apparent that Josh Powell had murdered his wife.  There was a lot of evidence; the camping in frigid cold, the wet spot on the carpet with a fan running to dry it out, the child drawing a picture and saying "Mommie was in the trunk," and "She's in the mine." Just too much to have let it go on long enough for him to butcher the two children.  Nancy Grace is very critical of LE in this instance. I don't often agree with Nancy Grace and perhaps I don't know everything, but what I know tells me that Josh Powell should have been in jail.  At the very least, after his father was arrested for child porn and living in the same house with Josh and the boys, even if Josh were innocent of Susan's disappearance and probable death, he should not have been allowed to see the boys, IMO.  Also the picture of the woman with a sword in her body which I understand to have been on Josh's computer, which caused the judge to order the psychological and sexual tests, should have been enough to keep him away from the boys until or if it had been cleared up.  There are a lot of people who have something to regret in this case, but ultimately Josh was evil and came from an evil father.  It is shocking that people do things like this. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flamom on February 07, 2012, 09:10:24 PM
I feel same sense of sadness, disbelief, disgust and shock similar to the day the monster was acquitted.. When children die, I cannot get in the frame of mind that they are in a better place. Their place is having fun, growing up, new experiences, graduations, girlfriends............   ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 07, 2012, 09:16:46 PM
Hello Monkeys.....This sorry excuse for a human being was absolutely evil.  It was apparent that Josh Powell had murdered his wife.  There was a lot of evidence; the camping in frigid cold, the wet spot on the carpet with a fan running to dry it out, the child drawing a picture and saying "Mommie was in the trunk," and "She's in the mine." Just too much to have let it go on long enough for him to butcher the two children.  Nancy Grace is very critical of LE in this instance. I don't often agree with Nancy Grace and perhaps I don't know everything, but what I know tells me that Josh Powell should have been in jail.  At the very least, after his father was arrested for child porn and living in the same house with Josh and the boys, even if Josh were innocent of Susan's disappearance and probable death, he should not have been allowed to see the boys, IMO.  Also the picture of the woman with a sword in her body which I understand to have been on Josh's computer, which caused the judge to order the psychological and sexual tests, should have been enough to keep him away from the boys until or if it had been cleared up.  There are a lot of people who have something to regret in this case, but ultimately Josh was evil and came from an evil father.  It is shocking that people do things like this. 
::rhino::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 07, 2012, 09:17:34 PM
I feel same sense of sadness, disbelief, disgust and shock similar to the day the monster was acquitted.. When children die, I cannot get in the frame of mind that they are in a better place. Their place is having fun, growing up, new experiences, graduations, girlfriends............   ::MonkeyTears::
I feel the same way.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flamom on February 07, 2012, 09:25:39 PM
Trimm, as always, thank you so much for all you do to keep us up to date!!
Babybear, you always are the voice of common sense and I read all of your posts!
It seems there have been so many women and children murdered just within the past 10 yrs. I pray for this young generation that they focus on growing some men who have a conscience, morals and values...sometimes it seems society is starting to collapse


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 07, 2012, 09:29:01 PM
Trimm, as always, thank you so much for all you do to keep us up to date!!
Babybear, you always are the voice of common sense and I read all of your posts!
It seems there have been so many women and children murdered just within the past 10 yrs. I pray for this young generation that they focus on growing some men who have a conscience, morals and values...sometimes it seems society is starting to collapse
YW.  ::HelloKitty::
Here are the 911 calls.I do not know if I can even listen to them right now.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
http://www.mediafire.com/?mddmft14ht0jq


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on February 07, 2012, 09:36:53 PM
This tragic event is very sad.
I have read news articles and here also.

The ONLY sense I can make out this entire
tragedy is that Susan is with the Lord, and her boys are
safe, happy, and healthy with their Mother.

That is the only consolation I can grasp for such an evil act of selfishness by their Dad.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 07, 2012, 09:50:45 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/07/district-attorney-missing-utah-mom-is-most-likely-dead/
District attorney: Missing Utah mom is likely dead
February 7, 2012



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 07, 2012, 09:52:23 PM
http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/APNewsBreak-Susan-Powell-case-called-murder-3050798.php
APNewsBreak: Susan Powell case called 'murder'
BRIAN SKOLOFF, Associated Press, MIKE BAKER, Associated Press
February 7, 2012



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Samarie on February 07, 2012, 09:53:12 PM
Police: Powell withdrew $7K day before killings

http://news.yahoo.com/police-powell-withdrew-7k-day-killings-011944636.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 07, 2012, 10:00:18 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/komonews (https://twitter.com/#!/komonews)
komonews.com @komonews
Air 4 currently flying over Josh Powell's storage unit where investigators are serving a search warrant. pic.twitter.com/F0MiJjpl (http://pic.twitter.com/F0MiJjpl)
(https://p.twimg.com/AlGOOZSCEAEoCTA.jpg)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 07, 2012, 10:00:45 PM
Now what could this POS have done with 7K? 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Samarie on February 07, 2012, 10:09:55 PM
Now what could this POS have done with 7K? 

 A rental car and quick camping trip somewhere? I wonder if the 7k has anything to do with the storage unit? I can only begin to imagine what he has stored in there and whether there's any evidence of the crimes he's committed. Maybe they'll find Susan after all...


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 07, 2012, 10:16:57 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/komonews (https://twitter.com/#!/komonews)
komonews.com @komonews
Air 4 currently flying over Josh Powell's storage unit where investigators are serving a search warrant. pic.twitter.com/F0MiJjpl (http://pic.twitter.com/F0MiJjpl)
(http://scaredmonkeys.net//p.twimg.com/AlGOOZSCEAEoCTA.jpg)
Let's pray they find something useful!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flamom on February 07, 2012, 10:17:09 PM
Now what could this POS have done with 7K? 
I heard earlier tonight on the TV that he sent his money to a relative.
I think he was a real estate agent but not sure.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Babybear on February 07, 2012, 10:39:41 PM
Trimm, as always, thank you so much for all you do to keep us up to date!!
Babybear, you always are the voice of common sense and I read all of your posts!
It seems there have been so many women and children murdered just within the past 10 yrs. I pray for this young generation that they focus on growing some men who have a conscience, morals and values...sometimes it seems society is starting to collapse

Thanks, flamom--Several years ago I was on a forum where a young man who called himself Bob would say, "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras." I try not to think zebras.  We hear a lot about young people who do really awful things, but on the whole, and I hope it isn't wishful thinking, young people will grow up to be honorable men with a conscience and morals.  And sometimes it is overwhelming.  John Kennedy had a saying on a plaque on his desk which said, "Oh God, the ocean is so large and my ship is so small."  And I feel that way sometimes too.  I guess the only thing we can do is try to do our best and hope it all turns out well.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 07, 2012, 11:34:46 PM

SEATTLE -- Josh Powell withdrew $7,000 in cash from a Pierce County bank account on Saturday, according to a search warrant served on Josh Powell's financial documents.

The warrant sought surveillance video footage and Powell's records from the Bank of America branch where he made the withdrawal.

Authorities were also serving another search warrant Tuesday afternoon at a storage unit that was rented by Powell. It was not known what investigators looking for.

Also on Tuesday, deputies released recordings of 911 calls made moments preceding and following the fatal explosion. Among the recordings is a call made by the state case worker assigned to the Powell boys.

"I smell gasoline, but he won't let me in. He's got the kids in the house, and he won't let me in," the case worker said. "I think I need help right away. He's on a very short leash with DSHS, and CPS has been involved. And this is the craziest thing."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/Warrant-Josh-Powell-withdrew-7-000-day-before-3131867.php


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 07, 2012, 11:41:52 PM
The social worker’s first 911 call, before the fire
http://extras.sltrib.com/audio/powell/powell7-clean.mp3

The social worker’s 911 call after the fire
http://extras.sltrib.com/audio/powell/powell1-clean.mp3

A neighbor’s 911 call
http://extras.sltrib.com/audio/powell/powell2.mp3

A neighbor’s 911 call
http://extras.sltrib.com/audio/powell/powell3.mp3

Alina Powell’s 911 call
http://extras.sltrib.com/audio/powell/powell4-clean.mp3

Josh Powell’s boss’s 911 call
http://extras.sltrib.com/audio/powell/powell5-clean.mp3

Josh Powell’s lawyer’s 911 call
http://extras.sltrib.com/audio/powell/powell6-clean.mp3



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flamom on February 07, 2012, 11:45:29 PM
Trimm, as always, thank you so much for all you do to keep us up to date!!
Babybear, you always are the voice of common sense and I read all of your posts!
It seems there have been so many women and children murdered just within the past 10 yrs. I pray for this young generation that they focus on growing some men who have a conscience, morals and values...sometimes it seems society is starting to collapse

Thanks, flamom--Several years ago I was on a forum where a young man who called himself Bob would say, "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras." I try not to think zebras.  We hear a lot about young people who do really awful things, but on the whole, and I hope it isn't wishful thinking, young people will grow up to be honorable men with a conscience and morals.  And sometimes it is overwhelming.  John Kennedy had a saying on a plaque on his desk which said, "Oh God, the ocean is so large and my ship is so small."  And I feel that way sometimes too.  I guess the only thing we can do is try to do our best and hope it all turns out well.
BBM Babybear.. odd you used that phrase  ::MonkeyWink::  I recently told my Dr to step out of the box and look for a zebra.....
Thank you


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flamom on February 07, 2012, 11:55:39 PM
I listened to the 911 call from the CPS worker.. She did not even know the darned address.. She wasted so much time with ridiculous bull and the 911 operator is just not getting it.
What a mess..everyone but the Cox's failed these kids  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 12:18:33 AM
 ::snipping2::

Alina Powell told the dispatcher, who recognized Josh Powell's name, that there had been "a lot of abuse" against her brother and that the "abuse is extremely difficult."


She said she received several emails, possibly some starting before Sunday, about how to pay for his property and utilities. She said they "started awhile ago" and she didn't think anything much of them.

Outside the home of Steven Powell Tuesday, where Alina and brother Michael still live, reporters waited outside Tuesday hoping to talk to the family. As Alina Powell took her trash can to the curb, she walked briskly as she tried to avoid reporters' questions. When one reporter said he was "sorry for what you are going through," she responded: "No, you're not. You caused this," before slamming the door of her gate.

Earlier, she released a statement to ABC News, saying her brother and two nephews spent more than two years being "crushed alive by hate, harassment and abuse. None of us could have anticipated the devastating tragedy that took place Sunday. What this unimaginable loss shows is that hate will never end well. Hate kills."

 ::snipping2::

The search warrant, filed in Pierce County Superior Court on Sept. 1, was for a laptop computer, photographs and video of the inside and outside of the home, and "documents demonstrating dominion and control."

 ::snipping2::

For months, Josh Powell and his father-in-law Chuck Cox had been locked in a bitter feud over custody of the two boys. Monday, Cox's attorney filed a motion in court to make sure the family had the legal right to make funeral arrangements for the boys, according to West Valley police. The motion was granted.

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=19146682


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 12:27:54 AM
Police want to interview uncooperative elder Powell

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/07/2016830/police-want-to-interview-uncooperative.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 12:33:06 AM
Communities join together in support after Powell tragedy

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705398957/Communities-join-together-in-support-after-Powell-tragedy.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 12:35:07 AM
The family who owns Josh Powell's rental home are devastated

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/state/story/josh-powell-susan-powell-explosion/EEIOFDYqr0CxM9rnkzFPdQ.cspx


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 08, 2012, 12:35:47 AM
::snipping2::

Alina Powell told the dispatcher, who recognized Josh Powell's name, that there had been "a lot of abuse" against her brother and that the "abuse is extremely difficult."


She said she received several emails, possibly some starting before Sunday, about how to pay for his property and utilities. She said they "started awhile ago" and she didn't think anything much of them.

Outside the home of Steven Powell Tuesday, where Alina and brother Michael still live, reporters waited outside Tuesday hoping to talk to the family. As Alina Powell took her trash can to the curb, she walked briskly as she tried to avoid reporters' questions. When one reporter said he was "sorry for what you are going through," she responded: "No, you're not. You caused this," before slamming the door of her gate.

Earlier, she released a statement to ABC News, saying her brother and two nephews spent more than two years being "crushed alive by hate, harassment and abuse. None of us could have anticipated the devastating tragedy that took place Sunday. What this unimaginable loss shows is that hate will never end well. Hate kills."

 ::snipping2::

The search warrant, filed in Pierce County Superior Court on Sept. 1, was for a laptop computer, photographs and video of the inside and outside of the home, and "documents demonstrating dominion and control."

 ::snipping2::

For months, Josh Powell and his father-in-law Chuck Cox had been locked in a bitter feud over custody of the two boys. Monday, Cox's attorney filed a motion in court to make sure the family had the legal right to make funeral arrangements for the boys, according to West Valley police. The motion was granted.

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=19146682

Thanks, NorthernRose.

Alina, hate doesn't kill, honey... Josh was the only one doing the killing. Reality check! ::HelloKitty::

 ::snipping2::
Alina Powell told the dispatcher, who recognized Josh Powell's name, that there had been "a lot of abuse" against her brother and that the "abuse is extremely difficult."
 ::snipping2::

Also difficult... getting hit with a hatchet. I mean, c'mon. Stop drinking the poison punch. Alina must be the bright one in the family? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 12:39:56 AM
Powell put through so-called 'hell week' last summer .

http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=138901439&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10212


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 12:44:12 AM
They have some evidenced bagged in a few of the pictures

Images from Josh Powell's destroyed home

http://www.kirotv.com/gallery/news/images-josh-powells-destroyed-home/gPyP/#1126306


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 12:56:47 AM
Husband of social worker: She wasn't scared of Josh Powell .

http://www.king5.com/video/featured-videos/Husband-of-social-worker-She-wasnt-scared-of-Josh-Powell-138903464.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 08, 2012, 01:31:23 AM
http://**/sltrib/jazz/53467329-78/dispatcher-powell-griffin-hall.html.csp

Text of 911 calls concerning the Josh Powell house explosion
First published 2 hours ago
Updated 7 minutes ago Updated Feb 7, 2012 10:47PM
 
• First call from social worker Elizabeth Griffin-Hall

Griffin-Hall: I’m on a supervised visitation for a court-ordered visit and something, really weird has happened. The kids went in the house and the biological parent, Josh Powell, will not let me in the door. What should I do?
Dispatcher: What’s the address
 ::snipping2::
Griffin-Hall: 8119 and I think it’s 89th, I don’t know what the address is, let me get in the car nothing like this has happened like this before. I’m really shocked, and I could hear one of the kids crying, and he still won’t let me in, OK, it’s 1, just a minute I have it here, you can’t find me by GPS?
Dispatcher: No
Griffin-Hall: OK, it is... I still can’t find it. He’s on a very short leash with DHSH, he looked right at me and closed the door.
It’s 8119 189th Street Court East Puyallup.
I’d like to pull out of the driveway because I smell gasoline, and he won’t let me in.
Dispatcher: He won’t let you out of the driveway?
Griffin-Hall: He won’t let me in the house.
Dispatcher: Whose house is it?
Griffin-Hall: Josh Powell
Dispatcher: You don’t live there?
Griffin-Hall: No, I’m contracted by the state to provide supervised visitation.
[Confusion about who Griffin-Hall is ensues, then gets cleared up]
Griffin-Hall: He’s the husband of Susan Powell, this is a high-profile case. I was one step in back of them.
Dipatcher: So they went in the house and locked you out?
Griffin-Hall: Yes, he shut the door in my face.
Dispatcher: What is your name?
Griffin-Hall: My name is Elizabeth Griffin-Hall.
Dispatcher: And what’s you’re phone number?
Griffin-Hall gives number.
Dispatcher: What agency are you with?
Griffin-Hall: Foster Care Resource Network, and the kids have been in there by now approximately 10 minutes, and he knows it’s a supervised visit. Braden is 5 and Charlie is 7.
Dispatcher: And the dad’s last name?
Griffin-Hall: Powell.
Dispatcher: Two L’s at the end of Powell?
Griffin-Hall: Yes.
Dispatcher: And his first name?
Griffin-Hall: His first name is Josh. [She gives physical description of him].
Dispatcher: Is he alone, or was anyone with him?
Griffin-Hall: I don’t know, I couldn’t get in the house
Dispatcher: Are you in a vehicle now or on foot?
Griffin-Hall: I’m in a 2010 Prius with the doors locked. He won’t let me in. I rang the doorbell and everything. I begged him to let me in.
Dispatcher: Elizabeth, please listen to my questions. What color is the Toyota Prius?
Griffin-Hall: Gray, dark gray.
Dispatcher: And the licence number?
Griffin-Hall: I don’t know, I can look. (Gets out of car) 750 ZMH
Dispatcher: OK, we’ll have someone look for you there.
Griffin-Hall: Do you know how long it will be?
Dispatcher: They have to respond to emergencies , life-threatening situations first.
Griffin-Hall: This could be life-threatening. He was in court on Wednesday and he didn’t get his kids back and this is really... I’m afraid for their lives.
Dispatcher: Has he threatened the lives of the children previously?
Griffin-Hall: I have no idea
Dispatcher: OK we’ll have the first available deputy contact you.
Griffin-Hall: Thank you
Dispatcher: Bye.

» Second call from social worker Elizabeth Griffin-Hall

Dispatcher: Hello. Were you calling about the fire on 189th street?
Griffin-Hall: Yes, he exploded the house. He exploded the house.
Dispatcher: Ma’am, do you know the exact address?
Griffin-Hall: It’s 8119 189th Court East in Puyallup
Dispatcher: What are you calling about?
Griffin-Hall: It exploded, the house.
Dispatcher: Do you know where you are?
Griffin-Hall: 8119 189th Street Court East in Puyallup
Dispatcher: Do you know if there’s anyone in the house?
Griffin-Hall: Yes, there was a man and two children. I just dropped off the children and he wouldn’t let me in the door.
Dispatcher: Stay on the line with me. I’m going to get the fire department. Hang on. Don’t hang up. Stay on the phone here with me ma’am. Fire this is Rose. I’m transferring the lady who has the exact address.
Griffin-Hall: I can hear the fire trucks, but they’re not here yet. It’s 8119
Dispatcher: We have an engine there.
Griffin-Hall: People are saying there is not somebody here, but there’s a couple of boys, 5 and 7, he has supervised visitation and he blew up the house and the kids.
Dispatcher: The kids and the father were in the house?
Griffin-Hall: Yes, he slammed the door in my face so I kept knocking. I thought it was a mistake, I kept knocking and then I called 911.
Dispatcher: You saw him go back in the house?
Griffin-Hall: He didn’t ever leave the house, he just opened the door, the kids were one step ahead of me, they are 5 and 7, they were one step ahead of me and he slammed the door in my face.
Dispatcher: Do you think he might have done this intentionally?
Griffin-Hall: Yes.
Dispatcher: County, go ahead with what you need.
Dispatcher: What is your name, ma’am?
Griffin-Hall: I’m Elizabeth Griffin-Hall, I’m the supervisor visitation (incoherent noises and crying)
Dispatchers: What is your last name?
Griffin-Hall calmly spells it.
Dispatcher: Where are you at right now?
Griffin-Hall: I’m at 8112 on the same court,
Dispatcher: So you are at 8112 189th Street Court East
Griffin-Hall: Yes
Dispatcher: Are you in the car?
Griffin-Hall: I was in it I’m standing outside it right now
Dispatcher: Is that your home address?
Griffin-Hall: No, I’m the supervised visitation coordinator.
Dispatcher: What is the person’s name
Griffin-Hall: His name is Josh Powell. Just a minute the sheriff is here.
Dispatcher: Go ahead and talk to the officer, ma’am
END OF CALL
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 08, 2012, 01:35:42 AM
 ::snipping2::

Just last week, in the latest of an ongoing custody battle between himself and Susan's parents Chuck and Judy Cox, Josh Powell made a declaration to the court that he was the best and safest person to be raising his two sons, saying he had proven to be "a fit and loving father."

Days later, he had donated the boys' belongings to Goodwill, seemingly preparing to murder the family he told ABC News in August he would always protect.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powells-final-message-live-sons/story?id=15527487&page=2#.TzIM9-XPGHg

----
It seems like they would have had him under tighter surveillance.... the donation of the toys, the withdrawing of 7K, the rented storage shed.

I wonder if he spread these activities out over enough time that it did not raise flags? Or did he do it in one lump?

It is bothersome
... with the scrutiny he was under, that he was able to do it undetected.... and with such ease.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 08, 2012, 01:51:51 AM
social worker Elizabeth Griffin-Hall



Oh, Elizabeth. Don't you know - you are one of the luckiest women on the planet?

Because I would bet you anything, Josh had a backup plan if he could not get Charles and Braden into the house without you.

God is definitely watching over you. You are lucky to be alive today. What happened was not your fault.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 08, 2012, 02:04:37 AM
::snipping2::

Just last week, in the latest of an ongoing custody battle between himself and Susan's parents Chuck and Judy Cox, Josh Powell made a declaration to the court that he was the best and safest person to be raising his two sons, saying he had proven to be "a fit and loving father."

Days later, he had donated the boys' belongings to Goodwill, seemingly preparing to murder the family he told ABC News in August he would always protect.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powells-final-message-live-sons/story?id=15527487&page=2#.TzIM9-XPGHg

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It seems like they would have had him under tighter surveillance.... the donation of the toys, the withdrawing of 7K, the rented storage shed.

I wonder if he spread these activities out over enough time that it did not raise flags? Or did he do it in one lump?

It is bothersome
... with the scrutiny he was under, that he was able to do it undetected.... and with such ease.

bbm in blue

Not only that...but he was able to rent a car when he was in Utah and put a lot of mileage on it.  I wonder if he moved Susan's body at that time?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Green Eyes on February 08, 2012, 02:11:39 AM
::snipping2::

Just last week, in the latest of an ongoing custody battle between himself and Susan's parents Chuck and Judy Cox, Josh Powell made a declaration to the court that he was the best and safest person to be raising his two sons, saying he had proven to be "a fit and loving father."

Days later, he had donated the boys' belongings to Goodwill, seemingly preparing to murder the family he told ABC News in August he would always protect.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powells-final-message-live-sons/story?id=15527487&page=2#.TzIM9-XPGHg

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It seems like they would have had him under tighter surveillance.... the donation of the toys, the withdrawing of 7K, the rented storage shed.

I wonder if he spread these activities out over enough time that it did not raise flags? Or did he do it in one lump?

It is bothersome
... with the scrutiny he was under, that he was able to do it undetected.... and with such ease.

carpe I was wondering the same thing. If he was being watched so closely how was he able to go do these things without someone noticing and like you said raise a red flag. I just don't get how these professionals didn't see that he was a danger to the boys. We keep hearing they all figured he killed Susan. If they thought that why wouldn't the boys be in danger for him killing them. So many people saw the danger and yet not one professional stepped up and acted on it.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 08, 2012, 02:37:22 AM
GreenEyes -

It is strange.

Granny takes a plane ride for Christmas... she gets shaken down for trying to bring more than 4.5 oz of shampoo with her...

Yet, a psycho like Josh Powell runs around withdrawing 7 grand, donating all the kids toys to charity, buying a wazoo load of gas in multiple cans... hey man, no problem! I didn't see anything? Did you see anything?

He's just preparing a Superbowl party. It just does not make sense. Things seem uneven.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 08, 2012, 05:49:04 AM
To me, this call made, before the fire, is excruciating to listen to. I want to throttle the 911 operator. She tells him, "I can smell gasoline", "the kids are inside, he slammed the door in my face and won't let me in", " I can hear the kids crying but he won't let me in", "They've been in there approximately 10 minutes" ..... I want to scream, JUST GET SOME HELP TO THOSE KIDS!!!

http://extras.sltrib.com/audio/powell/powell7-clean.mp3

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 08, 2012, 06:34:23 AM
To me, this call made, before the fire, is excruciating to listen to. I want to throttle the 911 operator. She tells him, "I can smell gasoline", "the kids are inside, he slammed the door in my face and won't let me in", " I can hear the kids crying but he won't let me in", "They've been in there approximately 10 minutes" ..... I want to scream, JUST GET SOME HELP TO THOSE KIDS!!!

http://extras.sltrib.com/audio/powell/powell7-clean.mp3

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Jmo, that whole police department should be tarred and feathered!!
This whole case has been mishandled from the get go. ::MonkeyMad::
The kids might/could of been saved, maybe.
I'm still sick about this, can't think straight when I think about it.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: theboyzmom on February 08, 2012, 07:05:11 AM
To me, this call made, before the fire, is excruciating to listen to. I want to throttle the 911 operator. She tells him, "I can smell gasoline", "the kids are inside, he slammed the door in my face and won't let me in", " I can hear the kids crying but he won't let me in", "They've been in there approximately 10 minutes" ..... I want to scream, JUST GET SOME HELP TO THOSE KIDS!!!

http://extras.sltrib.com/audio/powell/powell7-clean.mp3

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree, I kept waiting for the dispatcher to say that help was on the way. He seemed to be completely clueless. Sad to think that the outcome may have been different if it had been dispatched immediately.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 08, 2012, 07:31:24 AM
We all need to make note of that 911 call and if we ever have a real emergency, we need to say it's life threatening before we say anything further, and don't bother to call if you don't have the address. I'd like to have the address of Josh's house engraved on fine linen and delivered to that operator!

It's not his fault, I know that, I'm just so frustrated and enraged that those kids had "adults" making decisions for them and they all failed them so miserably and so tragically!

While listening to her repeat over and over again Josh's name, and explaining over and over again the circumstances of the supervised visit, my mind was hovering on what Josh did to those kids before the fire, and I'm cringing at the adults that are having the conversation. She is yards away, and the operator holds the power to send help and he's not doing it!

This case is awful.

Call I'm referring to:
http://extras.sltrib.com/audio/powell/powell7-clean.mp3


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flamom on February 08, 2012, 08:34:52 AM
I found the 911 taped difficult to listen to not only because now I know he was attacking the boys while the adults were failing to communicate. There was one woman operator who sounded rather snippy too. They need to retrain the operators. A CPS person on a supervised visit without the tel no. and address in her pocket isnt too bright. I did that before I ever entered a patients home just in case i found them injured or dead.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: labubske on February 08, 2012, 08:40:03 AM
I agree that the 911 call was awful to listen to...I kept thinking of what the boys were going through as they talked.  I was yelling at the dispatcher, just get help.  However, I believe that the outcome for the boys and him would have been the same and others would have died too if help had gotten there sooner.  Josh was determined to kill them and himself that day and didn't really care if anyone else went along with him.  Now, if help would have been sent to protect the boys way before this day they could have been saved.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 08, 2012, 08:58:47 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/todayshow (https://twitter.com/#!/todayshow)
TODAY @todayshow
Social worker's 911 call in Josh Powell case. Video: on.today.com/xG5Af0 (http://on.today.com/xG5Af0)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: labubske on February 08, 2012, 09:07:53 AM
I agree that the 911 call was awful to listen to...I kept thinking of what the boys were going through as they talked.  I was yelling at the dispatcher, just get help.  However, I believe that the outcome for the boys and him would have been the same and others would have died too if help had gotten there sooner.  Josh was determined to kill them and himself that day and didn't really care if anyone else went along with him.  Now, if help would have been sent to protect the boys way before this day they could have been saved.

I was also so sad to hear that more than ten minutes went by...the image that I had in my head is he got the boys in the house, and about three minutes later the house exploded.  It is so sad that they had to experience such a horrible thing...I just don't understand this stuff.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 08, 2012, 09:09:44 AM
I agree that the 911 call was awful to listen to...I kept thinking of what the boys were going through as they talked.  I was yelling at the dispatcher, just get help.  However, I believe that the outcome for the boys and him would have been the same and others would have died too if help had gotten there sooner.  Josh was determined to kill them and himself that day and didn't really care if anyone else went along with him.  Now, if help would have been sent to protect the boys way before this day they could have been saved.

I was also so sad to hear that more than ten minutes went by...the image that I had in my head is he got the boys in the house, and about three minutes later the house exploded.  It is so sad that they had to experience such a horrible thing...I just don't understand this stuff.
::rhino::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 08, 2012, 09:24:16 AM
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kcpq-powell-family-blames-legal-system-media-for-tragedy-20120208,0,2845415.story
Powell family blames legal system, media for tragedy
Couple identifies themselves only as Uncle Maurice, Aunt Patti

Web reporter Q13 FOX News Online

6:21 a.m. MST, February 8, 2012
SEATTLE—
A couple who identified themselves as Josh Powell's aunt and uncle released a statement Wednesday blaming, in part, the legal system, religious bias and the news media for the tragic events that resulted in the murder of 7-year-old Charlie and 5-year-old Braden Powell.
 ::snipping2::

Statement. *BLOCKED*/media/acrobat/2012-02/300156000-08043300.pdf


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flamom on February 08, 2012, 09:26:42 AM
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kcpq-powell-family-blames-legal-system-media-for-tragedy-20120208,0,2845415.story
Powell family blames legal system, media for tragedy
Couple identifies themselves only as Uncle Maurice, Aunt Patti

Web reporter Q13 FOX News Online

6:21 a.m. MST, February 8, 2012
SEATTLE—
A couple who identified themselves as Josh Powell's aunt and uncle released a statement Wednesday blaming, in part, the legal system, religious bias and the news media for the tragic events that resulted in the murder of 7-year-old Charlie and 5-year-old Braden Powell.
 ::snipping2::

Statement. *BLOCKED*/media/acrobat/2012-02/300156000-08043300.pdf
too bad we couldnt switch and put his crazy assed family in the house with him instead of the boys. these people all deserve each other.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 10:20:30 AM
Family of Josh Powell releases statement

 ::snipping2::

Complete statement from family members of Josh Powell:

Statement From: Maurice and Patti Leach    2-7-2012


We are grievously saddened at the loss that the Cox and Powell
families have suffered.  There is no justification for the loss of two
innocent children, Charles and Braden.

Josh had asked us to step in and offer our support in helping him as
the next patriarchs of the family with the absence of Steve, his
father. We were also asked by Josh if we would offer a safe haven for
his sons should the need arise; our answer was absolutely yes.

We felt that Josh represented himself using a great deal of restraint
with patience and dignity at his children's custody hearing, even
though it did not work out in his favor. Our family’s suggestions to
Josh both before and after the hearing were that if he had any
credible facts, no matter how disturbing, he should present it so that
due process would be possible. We believe that Josh continued to use
this restraint because of the fear of losing his sons and the love he
had for all of his family members that he so desperately tried to
protect.

When we arrived in the state of Washington we believed in America's
legal system. After witnessing how broken the system was and the
events that took place before our eyes, both inside the court room and
outside, we left for home in disillusionment of the legal system and
concern for our family's posterity.

In our hearts and minds we feel that this family tragedy was set into
motion from the beginning due in part to the various questionable
government agencies' practices, religious bias, the internet kangaroo
courts, and sensationalized news media, all of whom have circumvented
the laws that protect all of our rights to due process. We believe
that the stewardship of the responsibilities that have been entrusted
to those organizations and individuals has been completely
compromised.

America, this is not only a tragedy, Sunday was a dark day for all of
our families.

Uncle Maurice, Aunt Patti

P.S.  Josh, Susan, Charles, and Braden, you will always remain in our hearts.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/breaking-news/family-josh-powell-releases-statement/nHXbh/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on February 08, 2012, 10:41:15 AM
OMG! I think the stupid operator needs to be fired!!!

How many times did she ask for the address? How many times did she ask for her name? How many times did Griffin-Hall explained the situation?

Why didn't she get the FIRST time that the lady was there guarding the children and the guy acted against a COURT ORDER and kidnapped the kids?

Why didn't the operator send someone right away if the situation the caller described included the smell of gas and the name Powell?

She wasted time, VALUABLE time, in which the children could've been saved. There is the talk of 10 MINUTES for the calls!!!

I haven't heard the interview and I can't tell the urgency on Griffin-Hall's voice. But, the very few times I have called 911 (like the time a guy stopped his car in the median and started to beat up his wife) the operator only needed (once) the address, and my name. They were there in two minutes.



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on February 08, 2012, 10:44:39 AM
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kcpq-powell-family-blames-legal-system-media-for-tragedy-20120208,0,2845415.story
Powell family blames legal system, media for tragedy
Couple identifies themselves only as Uncle Maurice, Aunt Patti

Web reporter Q13 FOX News Online

6:21 a.m. MST, February 8, 2012
SEATTLE—
A couple who identified themselves as Josh Powell's aunt and uncle released a statement Wednesday blaming, in part, the legal system, religious bias and the news media for the tragic events that resulted in the murder of 7-year-old Charlie and 5-year-old Braden Powell.
 ::snipping2::

Statement. *BLOCKED*/media/acrobat/2012-02/300156000-08043300.pdf

ANYONE but Josh. It's the way the whole family is, pass the buck. That's why Josh grew up to be what he's today.



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Babybear on February 08, 2012, 10:46:49 AM
Good morning, Monks.......
Every single one of us knows the name, "Josh Powell."  The dispatcher didn't.  How could LE in Pullayap not know his name?  And everyone was too busy at a life-threatening situation to send help immediately?  While the social worker wasn't very helpful in giving the address, she did stress that she smelled gasoline and one of the kids was crying.  To me, that in itself should have told the dispatcher that this is a life threatening situation, but it took some time to even find out where the emergency was.

Since I live alone, I have a new kind of call button to summon help if needed.  It has a small transmitter which calls the company via wireless telephone.  They can tell not only where I am, but where my car is if I am in it.  In fact, they can tell which room in my house I am in.  It's inconceivable to me that LE, at least in Pullayap, can't find a cellphone with GPS.  The same thing can be done with the new smart phones.  While I am sure the social worker is devastated, she should have known the address of Josh Powell's house.  Hindsight is 20/20.

But even with all of this incompetentcy, I don't think there was any hope for the boys once they were in the house with Josh.  He had everything ready to immediately butcher them and blow them up.  Lucky no one else was killed.   As far as his family trying to blame everyone but Josh, they are idiots.  Josh did it.  Only he is to blame.

 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cadillac on February 08, 2012, 10:46:51 AM

SEATTLE -- Josh Powell withdrew $7,000 in cash from a Pierce County bank account on Saturday, according to a search warrant served on Josh Powell's financial documents.

The warrant sought surveillance video footage and Powell's records from the Bank of America branch where he made the withdrawal.

Authorities were also serving another search warrant Tuesday afternoon at a storage unit that was rented by Powell. It was not known what investigators looking for.

Also on Tuesday, deputies released recordings of 911 calls made moments preceding and following the fatal explosion. Among the recordings is a call made by the state case worker assigned to the Powell boys.

"I smell gasoline, but he won't let me in. He's got the kids in the house, and he won't let me in," the case worker said. "I think I need help right away. He's on a very short leash with DSHS, and CPS has been involved. And this is the craziest thing."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/Warrant-Josh-Powell-withdrew-7-000-day-before-3131867.php
They never served a warrant on this storage unit until NOW?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 08, 2012, 10:52:54 AM
As much as we question why the visitation took place at the home rather than a public place, I think that in the end, it would not have mattered.  Maggot man was determined to show the world just how mad and bad he was.  He could have met the kids and social worker at a mall, took out a semi-automatic weapon and killed the boys, social workers, bystanders and then himself.  People bent on self-destruction usually find a way to carry it out. 

The only "safe" situation would have been one that used a metal detector and had armed guards on duty.  Even then, there always seems to be a way to beat the system -- just ask the guards that work in prisons. 

Maggot man, I refuse to even acknowledge that he had a name, was so manipulative that he fooled all of his family into believing that he was the victim in this tragedy.  Their support is almost cult-like.

The sadness I feel is beyond words but I just don't believe that reasonable people can ever imagine the heights to which an unreasonable person will go to achieve their intended goal.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Sister on February 08, 2012, 11:05:33 AM
As much as we question why the visitation took place at the home rather than a public place, I think that in the end, it would not have mattered.  Maggot man was determined to show the world just how mad and bad he was.  He could have met the kids and social worker at a mall, took out a semi-automatic weapon and killed the boys, social workers, bystanders and then himself.  People bent on self-destruction usually find a way to carry it out. 

The only "safe" situation would have been one that used a metal detector and had armed guards on duty.  Even then, there always seems to be a way to beat the system -- just ask the guards that work in prisons. 

Maggot man, I refuse to even acknowledge that he had a name, was so manipulative that he fooled all of his family into believing that he was the victim in this tragedy.  Their support is almost cult-like.

The sadness I feel is beyond words but I just don't believe that reasonable people can ever imagine the heights to which an unreasonable person will go to achieve their intended goal.   ::MonkeyAngel::
well said, Flutter.  Thank you!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cadillac on February 08, 2012, 11:12:28 AM
Maybe Radiactive Mary will help out ole Papa Powell?

Just sayin... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 08, 2012, 11:13:42 AM
http://**/sltrib/jazz/53467329-78/dispatcher-powell-griffin-hall.html.csp

Text of 911 calls concerning the Josh Powell house explosion
First published 2 hours ago
Updated 7 minutes ago Updated Feb 7, 2012 10:47PM
 
• First call from social worker Elizabeth Griffin-Hall

Griffin-Hall: I’m on a supervised visitation for a court-ordered visit and something, really weird has happened. The kids went in the house and the biological parent, Josh Powell, will not let me in the door. What should I do?
Dispatcher: What’s the address
 ::snipping2::
Griffin-Hall: 8119 and I think it’s 89th, I don’t know what the address is, let me get in the car nothing like this has happened like this before. I’m really shocked, and I could hear one of the kids crying, and he still won’t let me in, OK, it’s 1, just a minute I have it here, you can’t find me by GPS?
Dispatcher: No
Griffin-Hall: OK, it is... I still can’t find it. He’s on a very short leash with DHSH, he looked right at me and closed the door.
It’s 8119 189th Street Court East Puyallup.
I’d like to pull out of the driveway because I smell gasoline, and he won’t let me in.
Dispatcher: He won’t let you out of the driveway?
Griffin-Hall: He won’t let me in the house.
Dispatcher: Whose house is it?
Griffin-Hall: Josh Powell
Dispatcher: You don’t live there?
Griffin-Hall: No, I’m contracted by the state to provide supervised visitation.
[Confusion about who Griffin-Hall is ensues, then gets cleared up]
Griffin-Hall: He’s the husband of Susan Powell, this is a high-profile case. I was one step in back of them.
Dipatcher: So they went in the house and locked you out?
Griffin-Hall: Yes, he shut the door in my face.
Dispatcher: What is your name?
Griffin-Hall: My name is Elizabeth Griffin-Hall.
Dispatcher: And what’s you’re phone number?
Griffin-Hall gives number.
Dispatcher: What agency are you with?
Griffin-Hall: Foster Care Resource Network, and the kids have been in there by now approximately 10 minutes, and he knows it’s a supervised visit. Braden is 5 and Charlie is 7.
Dispatcher: And the dad’s last name?
Griffin-Hall: Powell.
Dispatcher: Two L’s at the end of Powell?
Griffin-Hall: Yes.
Dispatcher: And his first name?
Griffin-Hall: His first name is Josh. [She gives physical description of him].
Dispatcher: Is he alone, or was anyone with him?
Griffin-Hall: I don’t know, I couldn’t get in the house
Dispatcher: Are you in a vehicle now or on foot?
Griffin-Hall: I’m in a 2010 Prius with the doors locked. He won’t let me in. I rang the doorbell and everything. I begged him to let me in.
Dispatcher: Elizabeth, please listen to my questions. What color is the Toyota Prius?
Griffin-Hall: Gray, dark gray.
Dispatcher: And the licence number?
Griffin-Hall: I don’t know, I can look. (Gets out of car) 750 ZMH
Dispatcher: OK, we’ll have someone look for you there.
Griffin-Hall: Do you know how long it will be?
Dispatcher: They have to respond to emergencies , life-threatening situations first.
Griffin-Hall: This could be life-threatening. He was in court on Wednesday and he didn’t get his kids back and this is really... I’m afraid for their lives.
Dispatcher: Has he threatened the lives of the children previously?
Griffin-Hall: I have no idea
Dispatcher: OK we’ll have the first available deputy contact you.
Griffin-Hall: Thank you
Dispatcher: Bye.

» Second call from social worker Elizabeth Griffin-Hall

Dispatcher: Hello. Were you calling about the fire on 189th street?
Griffin-Hall: Yes, he exploded the house. He exploded the house.
Dispatcher: Ma’am, do you know the exact address?
Griffin-Hall: It’s 8119 189th Court East in Puyallup
Dispatcher: What are you calling about?
Griffin-Hall: It exploded, the house.
Dispatcher: Do you know where you are?
Griffin-Hall: 8119 189th Street Court East in Puyallup
Dispatcher: Do you know if there’s anyone in the house?
Griffin-Hall: Yes, there was a man and two children. I just dropped off the children and he wouldn’t let me in the door.
Dispatcher: Stay on the line with me. I’m going to get the fire department. Hang on. Don’t hang up. Stay on the phone here with me ma’am. Fire this is Rose. I’m transferring the lady who has the exact address.
Griffin-Hall: I can hear the fire trucks, but they’re not here yet. It’s 8119
Dispatcher: We have an engine there.
Griffin-Hall: People are saying there is not somebody here, but there’s a couple of boys, 5 and 7, he has supervised visitation and he blew up the house and the kids.
Dispatcher: The kids and the father were in the house?
Griffin-Hall: Yes, he slammed the door in my face so I kept knocking. I thought it was a mistake, I kept knocking and then I called 911.
Dispatcher: You saw him go back in the house?
Griffin-Hall: He didn’t ever leave the house, he just opened the door, the kids were one step ahead of me, they are 5 and 7, they were one step ahead of me and he slammed the door in my face.
Dispatcher: Do you think he might have done this intentionally?
Griffin-Hall: Yes.
Dispatcher: County, go ahead with what you need.
Dispatcher: What is your name, ma’am?
Griffin-Hall: I’m Elizabeth Griffin-Hall, I’m the supervisor visitation (incoherent noises and crying)
Dispatchers: What is your last name?
Griffin-Hall calmly spells it.
Dispatcher: Where are you at right now?
Griffin-Hall: I’m at 8112 on the same court,
Dispatcher: So you are at 8112 189th Street Court East
Griffin-Hall: Yes
Dispatcher: Are you in the car?
Griffin-Hall: I was in it I’m standing outside it right now
Dispatcher: Is that your home address?
Griffin-Hall: No, I’m the supervised visitation coordinator.
Dispatcher: What is the person’s name
Griffin-Hall: His name is Josh Powell. Just a minute the sheriff is here.
Dispatcher: Go ahead and talk to the officer, ma’am
END OF CALL
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HAT TIP AmandaReckonwith from HFTM

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Susan%20Cox%20Powell%20%20-UT-/Murder-Suicide-%20A%20cowards%20way%20out/

Quote from: AmandaReckonwith;937824
I've uploaded all the 911 calls (that I know of). Including the social workers calls, Alina, JP atty, JP boss, a couple of neighbors.

Murder/Suicide album is separate because there is just so much info.
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Main archive:
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From the main you can get to all the sub-albums.
Everything is current as of midnight last night.



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 08, 2012, 11:21:26 AM
wtf is it?  (http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/02/07/2e/df/Missing_Mom_Utah_Smit_1_t615.jpg?9d74a679772b302cd354e1e6e54b2855e904d640)

http://www.kirotv.com/gallery/news/images-josh-powells-destroyed-home/gPyP/#1126308


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Samarie on February 08, 2012, 11:33:24 AM
wtf is it?  (http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/02/07/2e/df/Missing_Mom_Utah_Smit_1_t615.jpg?9d74a679772b302cd354e1e6e54b2855e904d640)

http://www.kirotv.com/gallery/news/images-josh-powells-destroyed-home/gPyP/#1126308

A red plastic 5gallon gas can....melted?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 08, 2012, 11:34:33 AM
To me, this call made, before the fire, is excruciating to listen to. I want to throttle the 911 operator. She tells him, "I can smell gasoline", "the kids are inside, he slammed the door in my face and won't let me in", " I can hear the kids crying but he won't let me in", "They've been in there approximately 10 minutes" ..... I want to scream, JUST GET SOME HELP TO THOSE KIDS!!!

http://extras.sltrib.com/audio/powell/powell7-clean.mp3

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Jmo, that whole police department should be tarred and feathered!!
This whole case has been mishandled from the get go. ::MonkeyMad::
The kids might/could of been saved, maybe.
I'm still sick about this, can't think straight when I think about it.


10 Minutes??? and she could hear one kid crying...  ::MonkeyNoNo:: How did she stay so calm after smelling the gas and hearing the crying, holy crap! 10 minutes be4 the house exploded....he had to be chasing those kids around the house with that hatchet....jesushchrist  ::MonkeyNoNo:: :smt091 :smt089 omg


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 08, 2012, 11:35:51 AM
I am thinking and hoping it wasn't really that long and that it just seemed that long to her.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 08, 2012, 12:04:18 PM
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kcpq-powell-family-blames-legal-system-media-for-tragedy-20120208,0,2845415.story
Powell family blames legal system, media for tragedy
Couple identifies themselves only as Uncle Maurice, Aunt Patti

Web reporter Q13 FOX News Online

6:21 a.m. MST, February 8, 2012
SEATTLE—
A couple who identified themselves as Josh Powell's aunt and uncle released a statement Wednesday blaming, in part, the legal system, religious bias and the news media for the tragic events that resulted in the murder of 7-year-old Charlie and 5-year-old Braden Powell.
 ::snipping2::

Statement. *BLOCKED*/media/acrobat/2012-02/300156000-08043300.pdf

ANYONE but Josh. It's the way the whole family is, pass the buck. That's why Josh grew up to be what he's today.


::rhino::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 08, 2012, 12:08:16 PM
To me, this call made, before the fire, is excruciating to listen to. I want to throttle the 911 operator. She tells him, "I can smell gasoline", "the kids are inside, he slammed the door in my face and won't let me in", " I can hear the kids crying but he won't let me in", "They've been in there approximately 10 minutes" ..... I want to scream, JUST GET SOME HELP TO THOSE KIDS!!!

http://extras.sltrib.com/audio/powell/powell7-clean.mp3

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Jmo, that whole police department should be tarred and feathered!!
This whole case has been mishandled from the get go. ::MonkeyMad::
The kids might/could of been saved, maybe.
I'm still sick about this, can't think straight when I think about it.


10 Minutes??? and she could hear one kid crying...  ::MonkeyNoNo:: How did she stay so calm after smelling the gas and hearing the crying, holy crap! 10 minutes be4 the house exploded....he had to be chasing those kids around the house with that hatchet....jesushchrist  ::MonkeyNoNo:: :smt091 :smt089 omg
Nut,it is horrible.
I think a lot of us would have tried to claw our way in.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: theboyzmom on February 08, 2012, 01:01:20 PM
The letter from Josh's family is terrible. While I agree the legal system is broken - it if for the opposite reason they cite. I feel that if the legal system worked, Josh would have been in jail or at the least not able to see the kids especially in his own house. It certainly does set forth how self centered the entire family is. No wonder Josh ended up a POS.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 08, 2012, 01:48:17 PM
The transcript of that call ( http://extras.sltrib.com/audio/powell/powell7-clean.mp3 ) does not do justice to it. There are things that are skipped over in the transcript. I guess the transcriber grew frustrated at the redundancy too! 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 08, 2012, 01:52:00 PM
I am thinking and hoping it wasn't really that long and that it just seemed that long to her.

i think it could have been longer bc at the point of her statement the player says
4:16 on the players timer,and the whole play time is 6:49
 
The social worker’s first 911 call, before the fire
http://extras.sltrib.com/audio/powell/powell7-clean.mp3


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 08, 2012, 01:54:36 PM
I haven't wanted to say this, because honestly, I don't blame the Social Worker. It's a miracle she survived and I would guess that if she tried breaking a window or something, Josh would have lit the match quicker, but...........

If she was fearful enough to want to move her car out of the driveway because she had smelled gas in the house, she was rightly fearful of exactly what was about to happen. I wish her demeanor and personality had come across when she called 911. I'm not sure that thick headed operator would have responded differently, but I wish there had been something that would have screamed "URGENT", "IMMEDIATE DANGER"!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 01:57:57 PM
wtf is it?  (http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/02/07/2e/df/Missing_Mom_Utah_Smit_1_t615.jpg?9d74a679772b302cd354e1e6e54b2855e904d640)

http://www.kirotv.com/gallery/news/images-josh-powells-destroyed-home/gPyP/#1126308

I thought it was a chair seat from this other photo of it

(http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/02/07/27/43/Missing_Mom_Utah_Smit_13_t615.jpg?9d74a679772b302cd354e1e6e54b2855e904d640)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 02:01:39 PM
Funeral for Powell boys moved to Tacoma church

TACOMA, Wash. — The funeral for the two sons of missing Utah woman Susan Powell has been moved to a larger church.
The Curnow Funeral Home in Sumner says the funeral for 7-year-old Charlie and 5-year-old Braden was moved "due to overwhelming response from the community."

It's now scheduled for 11 a.m. Saturday at Life Center Church, 1717 S. Union Ave. Tacoma.

A private family interment will take place on Monday at Woodbine Cemetery, Puyallup.

::snipping2::

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/08/2017620/funeral-for-powell-boys-moved.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 02:04:09 PM
Charlie and Braden Powell
(Died February 5, 2012)

SERVICE INFORMATION ANNOUNCEMENT:

Due to the overwhelming response from the community the funeral service for Charlie and Braden has been changed to:

Saturday February 11, 11 a.m. at Life Center Church, 1717 S. Union Ave. Tacoma, WA. 98405. Services will conclude at the church.

A private family interment will take place on Monday at Woodbine Cemetery, Puyallup.

Memorial contributiotns may be made to any Wells Fargo Bank to the Charles and Braden Powell Memorial Fund. Arrangements by Curnow Funeral Home & Cremation Service, 1504 Main St. Sumner, WA. 98390. 253-863-2800.

View/Sign Guest Book
http://www.legacy.com/link.asp?i=gb000155782777


http://www.meaningfulfunerals.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=1389639&fh_id=10210


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: oldhippychik on February 08, 2012, 02:22:57 PM
As much as we question why the visitation took place at the home rather than a public place, I think that in the end, it would not have mattered.  Maggot man was determined to show the world just how mad and bad he was.  He could have met the kids and social worker at a mall, took out a semi-automatic weapon and killed the boys, social workers, bystanders and then himself.  People bent on self-destruction usually find a way to carry it out. 

The only "safe" situation would have been one that used a metal detector and had armed guards on duty.  Even then, there always seems to be a way to beat the system -- just ask the guards that work in prisons. 

Maggot man, I refuse to even acknowledge that he had a name, was so manipulative that he fooled all of his family into believing that he was the victim in this tragedy.  Their support is almost cult-like.

The sadness I feel is beyond words but I just don't believe that reasonable people can ever imagine the heights to which an unreasonable person will go to achieve their intended goal.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Flutter1, I agree with you wholeheartedly. He was so bound and determined to kill those poor babies that he would have done it where ever the visitation took place. I agree also that more lives would have been lost if visitation was in a public location. You use words much better than I can and I thank you.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 08, 2012, 02:24:01 PM
I haven't wanted to say this, because honestly, I don't blame the Social Worker. It's a miracle she survived and I would guess that if she tried breaking a window or something, Josh would have lit the match quicker, but...........

If she was fearful enough to want to move her car out of the driveway because she had smelled gas in the house, she was rightly fearful of exactly what was about to happen. I wish her demeanor and personality had come across when she called 911. I'm not sure that thick headed operator would have responded differently, but I wish there had been something that would have screamed "URGENT", "IMMEDIATE DANGER"!

BBM
the only thing i can see/hear is her first statement,should have been i need the fire dpt i smell
gas,a very strong odor of gas,and im outside the building and there are 3 people in the building
and they aren't,answering the door...or something to that effect


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 02:28:14 PM
Sheriff's office unhappy with 911 dispatcher in caseworker's call

The Pierce County Sheriff's department says a dispatcher's extensive questioning of a caseworker who tried to summon help to Josh Powell's home was inappropriate.

The Pierce County Sheriff's Department is unhappy with the way a 911 dispatcher handled a call from the caseworker who tried to summon deputies to Josh Powell's home just before he killed his children and himself.

The caseworker's call resulted in nearly seven minutes of questioning by the dispatcher before he said he would send a deputy. A short time later, the Graham house erupted in flames, killing everyone inside.

"We're not happy with the way that dispatcher is bantering [with the caseworker]," sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Ed Troyer said Wednesday morning. "We understand that could have been handled better."

Troyer said that it's likely sheriff's deputies could have arrived at the home sooner had the 911 call been handled differently. He also noted that the caseworker could not immediately provide Powell's address, making it difficult to dispatch deputies.

However, he said he doubts the children could have been saved.

"Once that fire started, it was all over," he said.

 ::snipping2::

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017455002_dispatcher09m.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 02:30:55 PM
Deputies seize cell phone of Josh Powell’s sister

Pierce County sheriff’s detectives confiscated the cell phone of Josh Powell’s sister after she refused to give emails and voicemails he left for her before he killed his sons Sunday, newly filed court records show.

Alina Powell called 911 on Sunday to report she’s received four emails and a message from her brother that made her concerned for his safety. Detectives contacted her later in the day and requested copies.

“During the interview, Alina became upset and refused to allow Det. Sanders to copy the emails and refused to provide the phone to Det. Sanders,” the search warrant states.
The detectives later got a court order and seized the phone.

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/08/deputies-seize-cell-phone-of-josh-powells-sister/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 02:33:14 PM
UPDATED: Makeshift memorial for Powell boys moved

One of our reporters reports that the makeshift memorial in front of Carson Elementary School has been moved.
Some items have been taken inside; others have been taken to a covered area.
The memorial sprung up Sunday within hours of the deaths of Charlie and Braden Powell. Seven-year-old Charlie was a first-grade student at Carson Elementary in South Hill.

 ::snipping2::

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/08/makeshift-memorial-for-powell-boys-cleaned-up/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 02:36:54 PM
Police want to interview uncooperative elder Powell

A search warrant affidavit filed in Pierce County Superior Court on Tuesday showed Josh Powell withdrew $7,000 from a South Hill bank branch Saturday.

A teller at the Bank of America branch at 176th Street and Meridian contacted Pierce County sheriff’s detectives Sunday to notify them of the withdrawal, the affidavit states.

The teller did not ask Powell why he was making the withdrawal.

Detectives seized transaction records and photographs of Powell taken by bank security cameras, the affidavit states.

Powell killed his young sons, Charlie, 7, and Braden, 5, about 24 hours later.

In other developments Tuesday:

Sheriff’s detectives served a search warrant at a storage unit believed to belong to Josh Powell.
“We’re not looking for anything specific in it,” sheriff’s spokesman Ed Troyer said.

He declined to provide a location but said the storage unit was discovered after the fire.

Detectives from West Valley City, Utah, assisted with the warrant. The Utah agency is investigating the murder of Powell’s wife, Susan Cox Powell, who disappeared from the couple’s home in 2009.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2012/02/07/2385179/police-want-to-interview-uncooperative.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 02:40:36 PM
Attorney: Police tactics were used to 'ruffle the feathers' of Josh Powell

PUYALLUP, Wash. — An attorney for the parents of missing Utah woman Susan Cox Powell say police enlisted them to "ruffle the feathers of Josh Powell" throughout their investigation.

One such instance involved an August honk and wave that was staged in the neighborhood where Josh Powell was living with his father, Steven Powell. There Steven Powell confronted Susan's father, Chuck Cox, which pushed Josh Powell to file a restraining order against the Coxes.

A judge later ordered Chuck Cox and Josh Powell to stay at least 500 feet away from each other at all times.

"Obviously it was a bit odd for all of us to be taking a number of directions from West Valley City police on a number of things they wanted done," Steve Downing, attorney for Chuck and Judy Cox, said Wednesday.

The same weekend as the honk and wave confrontation, West Valley police were conducting a search of abandoned mine shafts in the desert near Ely, Nev. Investigators said they had new information in the Powell case that prompted the searches, but have never said what that evidence was.

Downing added that prior to conducting that two-day search, police had received statements from individuals involved with Puyallup's Gem and Mineral Club about a bag of rocks at an exhibition.

"Josh and one of the boys seemed to be particularly interested, almost excessively interested, in a rock from Ely, Nev.," Downing said. The subsequent actions of West Valley police were referred to by Josh Powell as "a circus."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705398977/Attorney-Police-tactics-were-used-to-ruffle-the-feathers-of-Josh-Powell.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 08, 2012, 02:42:40 PM
TY, Sister and Oldhippychik.  As much as I want to find fault with others, there is only one person responsible for the deaths of Susan and her precious boys.    ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 08, 2012, 02:45:14 PM
Deputies seize cell phone of Josh Powell’s sister

Pierce County sheriff’s detectives confiscated the cell phone of Josh Powell’s sister after she refused to give emails and voicemails he left for her before he killed his sons Sunday, newly filed court records show.

Alina Powell called 911 on Sunday to report she’s received four emails and a message from her brother that made her concerned for his safety. Detectives contacted her later in the day and requested copies.

“During the interview, Alina became upset and refused to allow Det. Sanders to copy the emails and refused to provide the phone to Det. Sanders,” the search warrant states.
The detectives later got a court order and seized the phone.

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/08/deputies-seize-cell-phone-of-josh-powells-sister/

My god the whole family are evil.. :smt097
Have to wait till LE releases what's on that phone & e-mail.
She probably deleted them so LE will have to get the phone messages from the phone company and net provider.
I brain is running wild... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 02:54:43 PM
Deputies seize cell phone of Josh Powell’s sister

Pierce County sheriff’s detectives confiscated the cell phone of Josh Powell’s sister after she refused to give emails and voicemails he left for her before he killed his sons Sunday, newly filed court records show.

Alina Powell called 911 on Sunday to report she’s received four emails and a message from her brother that made her concerned for his safety. Detectives contacted her later in the day and requested copies.

“During the interview, Alina became upset and refused to allow Det. Sanders to copy the emails and refused to provide the phone to Det. Sanders,” the search warrant states.
The detectives later got a court order and seized the phone.

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/08/deputies-seize-cell-phone-of-josh-powells-sister/

My god the whole family are evil.. :smt097
Have to wait till LE releases what's on that phone & e-mail.
She probably deleted them so LE will have to get the phone messages from the phone company and net provider.
I brain is running wild... ::MonkeyEek::

Great family. 
Pops in jail arrested on child porn and voyeurism charges
Brother sets up a nasty website days before last court date with wild claims
Now Sis is refusing to allow the Police access to her cell phone
Joshy is a murderer of innocent children that trusted him.


 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 08, 2012, 02:55:53 PM
Deputies seize cell phone of Josh Powell’s sister

Pierce County sheriff’s detectives confiscated the cell phone of Josh Powell’s sister after she refused to give emails and voicemails he left for her before he killed his sons Sunday, newly filed court records show.

Alina Powell called 911 on Sunday to report she’s received four emails and a message from her brother that made her concerned for his safety. Detectives contacted her later in the day and requested copies.

“During the interview, Alina became upset and refused to allow Det. Sanders to copy the emails and refused to provide the phone to Det. Sanders,” the search warrant states.
The detectives later got a court order and seized the phone.

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/08/deputies-seize-cell-phone-of-josh-powells-sister/

My god the whole family are evil.. :smt097
Have to wait till LE releases what's on that phone & e-mail.
She probably deleted them so LE will have to get the phone messages from the phone company and net provider.
I brain is running wild... ::MonkeyEek::

Drinking the Kool-Aid by the gallons.  This family sure puts the "dys" in dysfunctional.  I just wonder how deep and dark the abuse from PapaLoon goes.  For everybody to by into this circle the wagons concept, it must be very pervasive.   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 02:57:13 PM
No deal on table, but prosecutors would 'listen' to Steven Powell

Prosecutors in Pierce County say they would listen to any information that Steven Powell has about the disappearance of his daughter-in-law Susan Powell, but have not offered him any kind of plea deal.
Pierce County Prosecutor Mark Lindquist told 97.3 KIRO FM in an email Tuesday that his office would "listen" if Steven Powell, his attorney or Utah law enforcement "proposes something" in exchange for information about her whereabouts.

"No deal has been proposed," Lindquist said. "We are not offering any deal but if information is brought forward we would listen."

"You have to weigh what's best for everybody involved in the case and if that works out, that would be great," said Ed Troyer with the Pierce County Sheriff's Office. "But I would not have everybody put their hopes on it because I've had enough dealings with Steve to know that he's playing a game and he might jerk everybody around for a couple years and enjoy doing it. Not that we wouldn't try, but not that he'd be cooperative."

 ::snipping2::

http://mynorthwest.com/11/623968/No-deal-yet-but-prosecutors-would-listen-to-Steven-Powell


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 02:57:59 PM
Deputies seize cell phone of Josh Powell’s sister

Pierce County sheriff’s detectives confiscated the cell phone of Josh Powell’s sister after she refused to give emails and voicemails he left for her before he killed his sons Sunday, newly filed court records show.

Alina Powell called 911 on Sunday to report she’s received four emails and a message from her brother that made her concerned for his safety. Detectives contacted her later in the day and requested copies.

“During the interview, Alina became upset and refused to allow Det. Sanders to copy the emails and refused to provide the phone to Det. Sanders,” the search warrant states.
The detectives later got a court order and seized the phone.

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/08/deputies-seize-cell-phone-of-josh-powells-sister/

My god the whole family are evil.. :smt097
Have to wait till LE releases what's on that phone & e-mail.
She probably deleted them so LE will have to get the phone messages from the phone company and net provider.
I brain is running wild... ::MonkeyEek::

Drinking the Kool-Aid by the gallons.  This family sure puts the "dys" in dysfunctional.  I just wonder how deep and dark the abuse from PapaLoon goes.  For everybody to by into this circle the wagons concept, it must be very pervasive.   ::CowboySmiley::

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 08, 2012, 03:09:48 PM
 ::snipping2::
On Tuesday, Texas relatives of Josh and Steven Powell issued a statement pointing fingers at police practices, as well as activities of the media, which they say played a part in Sunday's tragic ending. Josh Powell murdered his children and killed himself after igniting gasoline he'd spread throughout his home. Investigators say the killings were planned and intentional.

Maurice and Patti Leach said they had become disillusioned with the legal system after watching the events of the more than 2-year-old case unfold.

"In our hearts and minds, we feel this family tragedy was set into motion from the beginning due in part to the various questionable government agencies' practices, religious bias, the Internet kangaroo courts, and sensationalized news media, all of whom have circumvented the laws that protect all of our rights to due process," they wrote. "Stewardship of the responsibilities that have been entrusted to those organizations and individuals has been completely compromised.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705398977/Attorney-Police-tactics-were-used-to-ruffle-the-feathers-of-Josh-Powell.html?pg=1

-----

Have you ever noticed stupid people usually have the most to say? Hey Maurice & Patti - I got your "statement" right here. It's the goverment's fault... yeah, ok, good one. Add Mo & Patti Leach to
the Knuckle Dragger's Club of America. ::lookie::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 03:19:17 PM
 ::snipping2::


Tuesday night police searched a storage locker rented by Powell.

Items were removed, but police would not be specific.

Meantime, Washington state lawmakers are raising questions about the handling of the case.

They want to know why DSHS allowed the visitations to take place at Powell’s house. Initially, the visitations were done at a neutral location.

“Here you have a guy who’s a person of interest in the disappearance of his wife,” says state Rep. Roger Goodman, “you have the guy’s father who’s in jail for some other disgusting stuff related to children. The supervised visits are okay, but a visitation at the home is just not appropriate.”

In another development, the Lake County, Utah, prosecutor told reporters Wednesday the missing persons case surrounding Susan Powell’s disappearance had actually become a murder investigation six months ago.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/08/powell-1-1-tapes-released/?test=latestnews


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 08, 2012, 04:22:41 PM
TO THE BROTHERS, SISTERS AND FATHER OF JOSH POWELL WHO CONTINUE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIM.....

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR MURDERING HIS CHILDREN!  WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON, WHAT RELIGION DO YOU PRACTICE WHERE MURDERING YOUR CHILDREN BY CHOPPING THEIR NECKS WITH A HATCHET THEN BURNING THEM TO DEATH IS OK? 

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS.  IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS THEN YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN YOUR MURDERING BROTHER/SON!




Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: scooters mommy on February 08, 2012, 04:24:19 PM
I've got a statement for Maurice, Patti and Nathan Leach...... :smt097 :smt097 :smt097 :smt097

::snipping2::
On Tuesday, Texas relatives of Josh and Steven Powell issued a statement pointing fingers at police practices, as well as activities of the media, which they say played a part in Sunday's tragic ending. Josh Powell murdered his children and killed himself after igniting gasoline he'd spread throughout his home. Investigators say the killings were planned and intentional.

Maurice and Patti Leach said they had become disillusioned with the legal system after watching the events of the more than 2-year-old case unfold.

"In our hearts and minds, we feel this family tragedy was set into motion from the beginning due in part to the various questionable government agencies' practices, religious bias, the Internet kangaroo courts, and sensationalized news media, all of whom have circumvented the laws that protect all of our rights to due process," they wrote. "Stewardship of the responsibilities that have been entrusted to those organizations and individuals has been completely compromised.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705398977/Attorney-Police-tactics-were-used-to-ruffle-the-feathers-of-Josh-Powell.html?pg=1

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Have you ever noticed stupid people usually have the most to say? Hey Maurice & Patti - I got your "statement" right here. It's the goverment's fault... yeah, ok, good one. Add Mo & Patti Leach to
the Knuckle Dragger's Club of America. ::lookie::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 04:24:35 PM
TO THE BROTHERS, SISTERS AND FATHER OF JOSH POWELL WHO CONTINUE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIM.....

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR MURDERING HIS CHILDREN!  WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON, WHAT RELIGION DO YOU PRACTICE WHERE MURDERING YOUR CHILDREN BY CHOPPING THEIR NECKS WITH A HATCHET THEN BURNING THEM TO DEATH IS OK? 

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS.  IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS THEN YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN YOUR MURDERING BROTHER/SON!




What she said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 04:25:51 PM
Grandfather of slain boys responds to Powell family’s statement

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/grandfather-slain-boys-responds-powell-familys-sta/nHXxd/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: scooters mommy on February 08, 2012, 04:27:25 PM
TO THE BROTHERS, SISTERS AND FATHER OF JOSH POWELL WHO CONTINUE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIM.....

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR MURDERING HIS CHILDREN!  WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON, WHAT RELIGION DO YOU PRACTICE WHERE MURDERING YOUR CHILDREN BY CHOPPING THEIR NECKS WITH A HATCHET THEN BURNING THEM TO DEATH IS OK? 

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS.  IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS THEN YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN YOUR MURDERING BROTHER/SON!





 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 08, 2012, 04:27:34 PM
TO THE BROTHERS, SISTERS AND FATHER OF JOSH POWELL WHO CONTINUE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIM.....

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR MURDERING HIS CHILDREN!  WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON, WHAT RELIGION DO YOU PRACTICE WHERE MURDERING YOUR CHILDREN BY CHOPPING THEIR NECKS WITH A HATCHET THEN BURNING THEM TO DEATH IS OK? 

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS.  IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS THEN YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN YOUR MURDERING BROTHER/SON!




What she said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ITA!!!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2012, 04:42:12 PM
Deputies seize cell phone of Josh Powell’s sister

Pierce County sheriff’s detectives confiscated the cell phone of Josh Powell’s sister after she refused to give emails and voicemails he left for her before he killed his sons Sunday, newly filed court records show.

Alina Powell called 911 on Sunday to report she’s received four emails and a message from her brother that made her concerned for his safety. Detectives contacted her later in the day and requested copies.

“During the interview, Alina became upset and refused to allow Det. Sanders to copy the emails and refused to provide the phone to Det. Sanders,” the search warrant states.  The detectives later got a court order and seized the phone.

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/08/deputies-seize-cell-phone-of-josh-powells-sister/

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Alina's nephews are dead.  Why will she not cooperate?  What a warped sense of loyalty.

Nevertheless ... it would be interesting to know the time period between Alina's call to 911 regarding Josh's communication and when Josh did the unthinkable happened.  Was there an immediate response attempt by LE?

Thanks Northern Rose

Janet



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 04:46:34 PM
Did the 911 operator mishandle social worker's call in Powell case?

 ::snipping2::

Pierce County Sheriff's Detective Ed Troyer said Wednesday that his department is still waiting to receive a copy of the "call-and-dispatch" log from the 911 center to see exactly how long it took for deputies to respond. The center did not immediately respond to a public records request from The Associated Press for the document.

 ::snipping2::

http://mynorthwest.com/11/624515/Did-the-911-operator-mishandle-social-workers-call-in-Powell-case


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 04:48:48 PM
Powell boys’ grandfather: “I just couldn’t fathom it”

 ::snipping2::

For the full interview with Chuck and Judy Cox, watch “Nancy Grace” Wednesday at 8 p.m. and 10 p.m. EST on HLN.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/08/powell-boys-grandfather-i-just-couldnt-fathom-it/?hpt=ng_mid


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 08, 2012, 04:56:15 PM
TO THE BROTHERS, SISTERS AND FATHER OF JOSH POWELL WHO CONTINUE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIM.....

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR MURDERING HIS CHILDREN!  WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON, WHAT RELIGION DO YOU PRACTICE WHERE MURDERING YOUR CHILDREN BY CHOPPING THEIR NECKS WITH A HATCHET THEN BURNING THEM TO DEATH IS OK? 

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS.  IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS THEN YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN YOUR MURDERING BROTHER/SON!




What she said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ITA!!!

 ::rhino:: ::CowboySmiley:: ::rhino::

Would somebody in that family please show an iota of grief over the deaths of 5 and 7 year old angels who wanted nothing more than to be loved?  Quit trying to protect and sanitize the reputation of a piece of rubbish that didn't deserve the title of father.  And those of you who live in Texas, if you can't figure this out, I make house calls. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2012, 05:06:51 PM
My heart goes out to the social worker in her attempt to convince the 911 operator the seriousness of the situation.

Janet

++++

Social worker's 911 call from Josh Powell's home
The Associated Press – 3 hours ago


Police have released a series of recordings from 911 calls made Sunday when authorities in Washington state say Josh Powell locked himself and his two young sons in his house and lit it on fire. The following transcript comes from a social worker who had just arrived at the home with the boys for a court-ordered supervise visit. The transcript has been edited to remove personal information.

DISPATCHER: Good morning.

<snipped>

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hu3YZxVj8ZLUP9ij_0IpIXhZ6GaA?docId=ffe38b8eec9b4d50810e9fd3d61b8973



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2012, 05:10:02 PM
911 audio from Josh Powell’s sister, boys’ caseworker
Posted by Lauren Rabaino on February 7, 2012 at 9:12 PM


The files below contain 911 audio from calls placed by both the Powell boys’ casework and Josh Powell’s sister during Sunday’s deadly fire. Warning: This audio contains intense and disturbing material and may not be appropriate for all listeners.

<snipped>

http://today.seattletimes.com/2012/02/911-audio-from-josh-powells-sister-boys-caseworker/




Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 05:16:02 PM
Brooke4Trib Brooke Adams
Josh Powell's family just told me they will delay a service for him so the focus stays on the children. #JoshPowell #susancoxpowell

https://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib (https://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 05:18:30 PM
DISGUSTING! Westboro Haters to Picket Funeral of Boys Killed by Father

The Westboro Baptist Church just announced they will picket the funeral of Charlie and Braden Powell, who were killed earlier this week by their father. From the Twitter feed of Margie Phelps, daughter of the haters' founder Fred Phelps:

 ::snipping2::

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/07/1062711/-DISGUSTING-Westboro-Haters-to-Picket-Funerals-of-Boys-Killed-by-Father

 ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2012, 05:27:11 PM
DISGUSTING! Westboro Haters to Picket Funeral of Boys Killed by Father

The Westboro Baptist Church just announced they will picket the funeral of Charlie and Braden Powell, who were killed earlier this week by their father. From the Twitter feed of Margie Phelps, daughter of the haters' founder Fred Phelps:

 ::snipping2::

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/07/1062711/-DISGUSTING-Westboro-Haters-to-Picket-Funerals-of-Boys-Killed-by-Father

 ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 08, 2012, 05:34:49 PM
TO THE BROTHERS, SISTERS AND FATHER OF JOSH POWELL WHO CONTINUE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIM.....

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR MURDERING HIS CHILDREN!  WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON, WHAT RELIGION DO YOU PRACTICE WHERE MURDERING YOUR CHILDREN BY CHOPPING THEIR NECKS WITH A HATCHET THEN BURNING THEM TO DEATH IS OK? 

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS.  IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS THEN YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN YOUR MURDERING BROTHER/SON!




What she said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ditto!!!!!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 08, 2012, 05:35:45 PM
DISGUSTING! Westboro Haters to Picket Funeral of Boys Killed by Father

The Westboro Baptist Church just announced they will picket the funeral of Charlie and Braden Powell, who were killed earlier this week by their father. From the Twitter feed of Margie Phelps, daughter of the haters' founder Fred Phelps:

 ::snipping2::

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/07/1062711/-DISGUSTING-Westboro-Haters-to-Picket-Funerals-of-Boys-Killed-by-Father

 ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyNoNo:: 
::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 06:04:19 PM
Dispatch organization responds to criticism over Powell 911 calls

 ::snipping2::

The following is Law Enforcement Support Agency (LESA) director Tom Orr's statement:

"We at the Law Enforcement Support Agency are deeply saddened by the deliberate, heinous and evil actions of Josh Powell. Our thoughts and prayers go out to the family.

All of us at LESA take our citizens’ safety very seriously and we have begun a full investigation of how these calls were handled. We know that seconds count and we are committed to providing the fastest response possible. Our entire focus is to improve procedures to increase citizen safety and the safety of our officers.

Things that we now know about this evil tragedy are not always so clear to those involved in the initial moments. What happened with this call first comes to us blindly on the other side of a phone; it is only in hindsight that we see things that are not apparent to the call takers.

Having said that, it is critical that the citizens of this county know that we understand our responsibility and that we live by the principle of accountability. We will investigate all aspects of this incident, and if there is a need to refine our processes (as we do continually) we will do so. If there is a need to investigate from a disciplinary perspective and assign individual responsibility, we will do that as well. That process cannot be accomplished overnight – nor should it.

Our primary interest is determining best practices for the critical function that we perform hundreds of thousands of times each year – and get it right well over 99 percent of the time. But we will not be satisfied until we are as close to perfect as we can be. We do this for a simple reason – so that the Pierce County community has confidence in how we perform our mission.

There are no words that adequately express the sorrow we feel for the family of Charlie and Braden. Nor can we dismiss the incredibly evil acts that Josh Powell committed, and his responsibility for the outcome. We will focus on those things that we can do to make our citizens and residents feel safe and be safe."

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/Dispatch-organization-responds-to-criticism-over/skqe6WWdmUuJgDi65KJHJA.cspx


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: alagary on February 08, 2012, 06:05:45 PM
DISGUSTING! Westboro Haters to Picket Funeral of Boys Killed by Father

The Westboro Baptist Church just announced they will picket the funeral of Charlie and Braden Powell, who were killed earlier this week by their father. From the Twitter feed of Margie Phelps, daughter of the haters' founder Fred Phelps:

 ::snipping2::

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/07/1062711/-DISGUSTING-Westboro-Haters-to-Picket-Funerals-of-Boys-Killed-by-Father

 ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyNoNo::    ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

They hardly ever show up, just a bunch of freaks looking for headlines.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: alagary on February 08, 2012, 06:12:22 PM
Maybe the dispatchers should read a newspaper once in a while so they have a better understanding about current events in their community. Are they preparing to be Florida jurors?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 08, 2012, 06:57:28 PM
Pastor spoke with Powell days before murder and saw no sign of a problem .

PUYALLUP, Wash. – Josh Powell’s pastor says he spoke with Powell on the phone last Thursday night – just days before Powell killed his two sons and himself - and there was no indication of a problem or a “change in his outlook.”

“Josh spoke with me during that phone conversation about seeing him Sunday evening following the Sunday afternoon visit with his sons,” Pastor Timothy Atkins of First Bible Church said in a statement.

Just after noon on Sunday, Powell set fire to his home, killing his sons, Charlie and Braden, and himself. Powell was a person of interest in the disappearance of his wife two years ago.

“Although we had questions about the disappearance of Susan Powell, we made efforts to minister to (Josh) through giving counsel in making needed changes in his life…,” said Atkins.

Atkins said in October of 2011, he helped Powell move from Puyallup into the house in Graham, and in November, Powell asked him to assist with child visitation by supervising visits with his sons. 

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nwcn.com/news/Pastor-spoke-with-Powell-days-before-murder-and-saw-no-sign-of-a-problem-138971879.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 08, 2012, 07:15:58 PM
http://gma.yahoo.com/cps-worker-pleaded-cops-come-powell-blew-house-032332551--abc-news.html
CPS Worker Pleaded for Cops to Come Before Powell Blew Up House
By DEAN SCHABNER and MICHAEL S. JAMES | Good Morning America – 6 hours ago


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 08, 2012, 07:19:13 PM
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19166158&title=powells-sister-angry-says-she-never-thought-josh-could-kill-his-sons&s_cid=featured-2 (http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19166158&title=powells-sister-angry-says-she-never-thought-josh-could-kill-his-sons&s_cid=featured-2)

Powell's sister angry, says she never thought Josh could kill his sons
By Sam Penrod
February 8th, 2012 @ 5:01pm

HOLLADAY — Jennifer Graves is feeling all the emotions: sadness over the loss of her nephews, anger at her brother, and the questions of why and what if?

On Sunday, Feb. 5, her brother Josh Powell murdered his children and killed himself after igniting gasoline he'd spread throughout his home. Investigators say the killings were planned and intentional.

On Wednesday, Graves spoke with reporters for the first time since the tragedy. While she admits she would not have been surprised if Josh had kidnapped his sons, she never imagined he was capable of killing them.
 ::snipping2::

"People always have a choice. You do not have to murder someone to make your statements, to make your point."
–Jennifer Graves


 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 08, 2012, 07:23:47 PM
I remember at the beginning of this case, Jennifer and her husband stood side by side with Josh.  It wasn't long before Josh's story didn't add up and they also believed he had something to do with Susan's disappearance.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: BabsKats on February 08, 2012, 07:24:38 PM
TO THE BROTHERS, SISTERS AND FATHER OF JOSH POWELL WHO CONTINUE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIM.....

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR MURDERING HIS CHILDREN!  WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON, WHAT RELIGION DO YOU PRACTICE WHERE MURDERING YOUR CHILDREN BY CHOPPING THEIR NECKS WITH A HATCHET THEN BURNING THEM TO DEATH IS OK? 

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS.  IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS THEN YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN YOUR MURDERING BROTHER/SON!




What she said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ITA!!!

 ::rhino:: ::CowboySmiley:: ::rhino::

Would somebody in that family please show an iota of grief over the deaths of 5 and 7 year old angels who wanted nothing more than to be loved?  Quit trying to protect and sanitize the reputation of a piece of rubbish that didn't deserve the title of father.  And those of you who live in Texas, if you can't figure this out, I make house calls. 

Speaking for Green Eyes, JSM, CC and myself, we've got your back, Flutter!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 08, 2012, 07:45:48 PM
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19166158

Powell's sister angry, says she never thought Josh could kill his sons
By Sam PenrodFebruary 8th, 2012 @ 5:01pm

 ::snipping2::

She does think that her father, Steven Powell, knows what happened to Susan. But knowing him as she does, Graves doesn't think Steven Powell be willing to cooperate with police unless there is something in it for him — and because he is in jail, she hopes something will be offered, to bring closure for Susan's family.

Meanwhile, funeral services for Charlie and Braden Powell are planned for Saturday, Feb. 11, at the Life Center Church in Tacoma, Wash. Services begin at 11 a.m. and will be streamed live on ksl.com.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2012, 07:56:45 PM
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19166158

Powell's sister angry, says she never thought Josh could kill his sons
By Sam PenrodFebruary 8th, 2012 @ 5:01pm

 ::snipping2::

She does think that her father, Steven Powell, knows what happened to Susan. But knowing him as she does, Graves doesn't think Steven Powell be willing to cooperate with police unless there is something in it for him — and because he is in jail, she hopes something will be offered, to bring closure for Susan's family.

Meanwhile, funeral services for Charlie and Braden Powell are planned for Saturday, Feb. 11, at the Life Center Church in Tacoma, Wash. Services begin at 11 a.m. and will be streamed live on ksl.com.


Thanks Grace.

Jennifer Graves is one member of the Powell family who has refused to enable her father and brother in wrongdoing.  Jennifer has been an advocate for Susan and her nephews from the getgo.

Janet


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2012, 08:15:31 PM
Nancy Grace (HLN) is on right now!  Chuck and Judy Cox are guests.  Nancy is playing all the 911 tapes.

Janet
5:10 PM PT


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 08, 2012, 09:09:14 PM
ive only had to call 911 a handful of times,and IIRC the dispatcher said
whats your emergency,and sometimes would add police,fire,medical
not good morning
i found this info on the dispatchers job description,sorry i lost the link
i think it was a job recruitment site

Police, fire and ambulance dispatchers, or 911 operators, are the first points of contact for the public. They receive public complaints, monitor location of emergency services personnel, dispatch units, stay in contact with service providers, record details of emergency, and medically certified dispatchers may give first-aid instructions. See below for staffing agencies and job search companies in Puyallup, WA to help you launch your administrative/clerical career.

just some info

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall
Recruitment and Development
FOSTER CARE RESOURCE NETWORK
http://www.fostercareresourcenet.org/index_files/Page1670.htm

source for name of co.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hu3YZxVj8ZLUP9ij_0IpIXhZ6GaA?docId=ffe38b8eec9b4d50810e9fd3d61b8973
-----------------------
article on the dispatch call center
Police, Fire and Ambulance Dispatcher Puyallup WA
http://bonneylake-sumner.patch.com/articles/look-inside-puyallup-emergency-dispatch-call-center#photo-4999718
--------------------------------


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 08, 2012, 09:47:39 PM
I want to know where that 7K is.  I believe that it should be seized and used to cover the expenses of burying Josh's victims.  It sure doesn't need to be used on anyone in the Powell family.

Also, those poor people that owned his rental home are now out of a property and have a terrible legacy on that lot. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 08, 2012, 10:36:26 PM
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/feb/08/apnewsbreak-8-minutes-to-send-cops-to-powell-home/?page=1#article

APNewsBreak: 8 minutes to send cops to Powell home
6:09 p.m., Feb. 8, 2012

 ::snipping2::

The logs show the social worker called 911 from her cellphone at 12:08 p.m. Sunday. Five minutes later, the man who took her call transferred the information to a dispatcher, who alerted two deputies about 2 1/2 minutes later, at 12:16.

But at precisely that time, calls began pouring in to report explosions at the house - apparently from the gas-fueled inferno blowing out windows.

Deputies arrived on scene at 12:30 to find the home engulfed in flames.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2012, 10:54:38 PM
My heart goes out to the social worker in her attempt to convince the 911 operator the seriousness of the situation.

Janet

++++

Social worker's 911 call from Josh Powell's home
The Associated Press – 3 hours ago


Police have released a series of recordings from 911 calls made Sunday when authorities in Washington state say Josh Powell locked himself and his two young sons in his house and lit it on fire. The following transcript comes from a social worker who had just arrived at the home with the boys for a court-ordered supervise visit. The transcript has been edited to remove personal information.

DISPATCHER: Good morning.

<snipped>

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hu3YZxVj8ZLUP9ij_0IpIXhZ6GaA?docId=ffe38b8eec9b4d50810e9fd3d61b8973



Maybe this is procedure but ... the procedure has to change.  During the five minutes of questions asked by the 911 operator ... two little boys were being hacked to death inside the home.  Again ... my heart goes out to the frantic social worker ... the frantic social worker who tried her best to make the the 911 operator understand the seriousness of the situation.

Janet


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2012, 10:55:29 PM
911 audio from Josh Powell’s sister, boys’ caseworker
Posted by Lauren Rabaino on February 7, 2012 at 9:12 PM


The files below contain 911 audio from calls placed by both the Powell boys’ casework and Josh Powell’s sister during Sunday’s deadly fire. Warning: This audio contains intense and disturbing material and may not be appropriate for all listeners.

<snipped>

http://today.seattletimes.com/2012/02/911-audio-from-josh-powells-sister-boys-caseworker/





Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 08, 2012, 11:15:51 PM
TO THE BROTHERS, SISTERS AND FATHER OF JOSH POWELL WHO CONTINUE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIM.....

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR MURDERING HIS CHILDREN!  WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON, WHAT RELIGION DO YOU PRACTICE WHERE MURDERING YOUR CHILDREN BY CHOPPING THEIR NECKS WITH A HATCHET THEN BURNING THEM TO DEATH IS OK? 

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS.  IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS THEN YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN YOUR MURDERING BROTHER/SON!




ITA! 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 09, 2012, 12:22:08 AM
TO THE BROTHERS, SISTERS AND FATHER OF JOSH POWELL WHO CONTINUE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIM.....

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR MURDERING HIS CHILDREN!  WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON, WHAT RELIGION DO YOU PRACTICE WHERE MURDERING YOUR CHILDREN BY CHOPPING THEIR NECKS WITH A HATCHET THEN BURNING THEM TO DEATH IS OK? 

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS.  IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS THEN YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN YOUR MURDERING BROTHER/SON!





 :smt041 :smt041 :smt041

<sarcasm alert> Josh would have made such a good prison roomie for Joran. They have so much in common! Both were wrongly accused of murder and then went on to murder due to the pressure of being accused of murder.

Geez.......... I can't even type that with a straight face............

 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 09, 2012, 12:33:19 AM
Brooke4Trib Brooke Adams
Josh Powell's family just told me they will delay a service for him so the focus stays on the children. #JoshPowell #susancoxpowell

https://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib (https://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib)

No need, IMO. I say throw him back in the wreckage and light another match. He obviously chose to be cremated, well, there you go..... be the poster child for "scorched earth policy".  I just wish he had limited his choices to HIMSELF!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 09, 2012, 02:11:53 AM
Brooke4Trib Brooke Adams
Josh Powell's family just told me they will delay a service for him so the focus stays on the children. #JoshPowell #susancoxpowell

https://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib (https://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib)

No need, IMO. I say throw him back in the wreckage and light another match. He obviously chose to be cremated, well, there you go..... be the poster child for "scorched earth policy".  I just wish he had limited his choices to HIMSELF!

CBB - It should be the shortest funeral in history. Dearly Beloved... we are gathered here today for a jive turkey limp pickle sniveling little hiney bucket named Josh Powell. Would anybody like to say a word or share a favorite memory? No? Ok... reception is at Denny's, see you there.

The pic they could use to remember him by should be a screen grab from the Blue Ski Cap interview. Why? Because he just looked so special in it.

 http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/susan-cox-powell-police-update-and-josh-powell-s-infamous-blue-cap-interview-video

God, please look after those kids... and I sure am glad that creep Josh no longer walks among us. He was awful. Lower than the belly of a snake.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: theboyzmom on February 09, 2012, 06:47:17 AM
TO THE BROTHERS, SISTERS AND FATHER OF JOSH POWELL WHO CONTINUE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR HIM.....

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR MURDERING HIS CHILDREN!  WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON, WHAT RELIGION DO YOU PRACTICE WHERE MURDERING YOUR CHILDREN BY CHOPPING THEIR NECKS WITH A HATCHET THEN BURNING THEM TO DEATH IS OK? 

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS.  IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS THEN YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN YOUR MURDERING BROTHER/SON!




Amen Klaas - If I have to hear one more time how poor Joshy was pushed into murder by the big mean police I will vomit.  I MIGHT feel something if he just did away with himself - but taking the kids - selfish SOB gets NOTHING from me except anger.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 09, 2012, 08:19:31 AM
Powell's Sister: 'I Wish It Had Been Different'
Alina Powell speaks exclusively to ABC News about her family's tragedy.
02:54 | 02/09/2012

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/josh-powells-sister-interview-15545562?tab=9482931&section=1206833


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 09, 2012, 08:38:11 AM
Powell's Sister: 'I Wish It Had Been Different'
Alina Powell speaks exclusively to ABC News about her family's tragedy.
02:54 | 02/09/2012

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/josh-powells-sister-interview-15545562?tab=9482931&section=1206833

Barf To the  :smt097 :smt013  sister....

(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l145/pharlap_9999/tobed.gif)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 09, 2012, 08:57:12 AM
Powell's Sister: 'I Wish It Had Been Different'
Alina Powell speaks exclusively to ABC News about her family's tragedy.
02:54 | 02/09/2012

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/josh-powells-sister-interview-15545562?tab=9482931&section=1206833

Alina, you can wish all you want, the two innocent boys died a horrific, premeditated death at the hands of your own brother Josh Powell.  Wishing after the fact it had been different?  How about if you'd gotten off your keister and taken action to help protect them?  And even after the childrens death, you didn't cooperate by giving police your cell phone.  They had to get a warrant.  That speaks volumes!!  With a family like the Powell's the boys never had a chance.  Josh, Steve, Alina and Michael and even Terrica.  Sick. 

If Wishes were Horses...

If wishes were horses then beggars would ride,
If turnips were swords I'd have one by my side.
If 'ifs' and hands were pots and pans
There would be no need for tinkers hands!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 09, 2012, 08:58:48 AM
Powell's Sister: 'I Wish It Had Been Different'
Alina Powell speaks exclusively to ABC News about her family's tragedy.
02:54 | 02/09/2012

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/josh-powells-sister-interview-15545562?tab=9482931&section=1206833

Alina, you can wish all you want, the two innocent boys died a horrific, premeditated death at the hands of your own brother Josh Powell.  Wishing after the fact it had been different?  How about if you'd gotten off your keister and taken action to help protect them?  And even after the childrens death, you didn't cooperate by giving police your cell phone.  They had to get a warrant.  That speaks volumes!!  With a family like the Powell's the boys never had a chance.  Josh, Steve, Alina and Michael and even Terrica.  Sick. 

If Wishes were Horses...

If wishes were horses then beggars would ride,
If turnips were swords I'd have one by my side.
If 'ifs' and hands were pots and pans
There would be no need for tinkers hands!

 ::rhino:: That video really made me mad.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 09, 2012, 09:07:59 AM
Powell's Sister: 'I Wish It Had Been Different'
Alina Powell speaks exclusively to ABC News about her family's tragedy.
02:54 | 02/09/2012

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/josh-powells-sister-interview-15545562?tab=9482931&section=1206833

Alina, you can wish all you want, the two innocent boys died a horrific, premeditated death at the hands of your own brother Josh Powell.  Wishing after the fact it had been different?  How about if you'd gotten off your keister and taken action to help protect them?  And even after the childrens death, you didn't cooperate by giving police your cell phone.  They had to get a warrant.  That speaks volumes!!  With a family like the Powell's the boys never had a chance.  Josh, Steve, Alina and Michael and even Terrica.  Sick. 

If Wishes were Horses...

If wishes were horses then beggars would ride,
If turnips were swords I'd have one by my side.
If 'ifs' and hands were pots and pans
There would be no need for tinkers hands!

 ::rhino:: That video really made me mad.

How can anyone justify what this man did especially with the additional detail of the hatchet.  This man wanted everyone to suffer the same "pain" he was feeling.  He has no conscience which makes him a sociopath.  His whining voice makes me want to retch. 

Just imagine a scenario where he would have gotten custody of the boys.  What kind of he77 would he have put them through.  We already know that they were forbidden to even ask about her.  How long would it have been until one or both of them "disappeared" like Susan did?   ::MonkeyMad::  Maggot Man is one of those people that I would like to bring back to life to torture over and over again, but I know that God is taking care of that for me.   ::MonkeyAngel::

BTW - Thx Trimm for the quote, I love that saying.   ::CowboySmiley::
 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: goodnmad on February 09, 2012, 09:10:01 AM
Powell family tragedy? No, it was caused by Josh and only Josh (possibly skeevy dad too). Josh did not have to MURDER his wife. He chose to. He was just pissed he couldn't get away with it and move on with his life. Josh chose to MURDER his two children solely to HURT Susan's parents and to retain control. What a selfish, cowardly, lying, low-down piece of sh**. Thrown him in the trash like he threw his family away and be done with it.

Where have we gone so wrong that a human life seems to have NO VALUE?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am deeply sorry for the COX family's tragedy. My prayers go out to them.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cecilita on February 09, 2012, 09:37:12 AM
My heart goes out to the social worker in her attempt to convince the 911 operator the seriousness of the situation.

Janet

++++

Social worker's 911 call from Josh Powell's home
The Associated Press – 3 hours ago


Police have released a series of recordings from 911 calls made Sunday when authorities in Washington state say Josh Powell locked himself and his two young sons in his house and lit it on fire. The following transcript comes from a social worker who had just arrived at the home with the boys for a court-ordered supervise visit. The transcript has been edited to remove personal information.

DISPATCHER: Good morning.

<snipped>

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hu3YZxVj8ZLUP9ij_0IpIXhZ6GaA?docId=ffe38b8eec9b4d50810e9fd3d61b8973



Maybe this is procedure but ... the procedure has to change.  During the five minutes of questions asked by the 911 operator ... two little boys were being hacked to death inside the home.  Again ... my heart goes out to the frantic social worker ... the frantic social worker who tried her best to make the the 911 operator understand the seriousness of the situation.

Janet

the two kids could be alive now if the first dispatcher could send an officer when one of he monster's sister called 911, 20 minutes before the monster killed the kids. I bet the dispatcher could understand that it was a suicide treat and if it was the monster or another crazy man trying to comit suicide


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 09, 2012, 09:41:08 AM
Powell's Sister: 'I Wish It Had Been Different'
Alina Powell speaks exclusively to ABC News about her family's tragedy.
02:54 | 02/09/2012

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/josh-powells-sister-interview-15545562?tab=9482931&section=1206833
I hope to h3ll they didn't pay her. 
 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 09, 2012, 09:46:01 AM
Powell family tragedy? No, it was caused by Josh and only Josh (possibly skeevy dad too). Josh did not have to MURDER his wife. He chose to. He was just pissed he couldn't get away with it and move on with his life. Josh chose to MURDER his two children solely to HURT Susan's parents and to retain control. What a selfish, cowardly, lying, low-down piece of sh**. Thrown him in the trash like he threw his family away and be done with it.

Where have we gone so wrong that a human life seems to have NO VALUE?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am deeply sorry for the COX family's tragedy. My prayers go out to them.

IMO, Josh shouldn't even rate the trash bin - after all, he would contaminate the groundwater.  He chose to die by fire, he should be buried by fire, and then he will be ready for his eternal reward, in Hellos fire.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 09, 2012, 09:48:55 AM
I want to know where that 7K is.  I believe that it should be seized and used to cover the expenses of burying Josh's victims.  It sure doesn't need to be used on anyone in the Powell family.

Also, those poor people that owned his rental home are now out of a property and have a terrible legacy on that lot. 

Indeed  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 09, 2012, 09:53:47 AM
Maybe this is 20/20 hindsight, but if the social worker felt the children were in imminent danger and if she didn't know the house address, why didn't she run next door to one of the houses and ask for help and/or the address?  All she had to do was run over there with her cell phone in hand, knock on the door and ask for the address.  If no one was home, go to next house.  Also, I noticed in one of the photos, there is a house number on the front of the house.  That might have at least been a start.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powell-missing-woman-susan-powells-husband-kills/story?id=15518478
Missing Woman Susan Powell's Husband Kills Kids, Himself, in House Explosion
By OLIVIA KATVRANDJIAN, DEAN SCHABNER and COLLEEN CURRY
February 5, 2012

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ap_abc_powell_explosion_dm_120205_wg.jpg)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 09, 2012, 09:53:55 AM
Posted: February 9
Updated: Today at 10:03 PM

Agency to investigate 911 call in Powell fire
BY MIKE BAKER AND GENE JOHNSON, Associated Press



SEATTLE -- A social worker pleaded with a 911 dispatcher throughout a nearly seven-minute call to quickly get police to Josh Powell's house after he locked himself inside with his two sons.



It took almost two minutes from the start of the call for the dispatcher to learn Powell's address and more than three minutes to understand that she was there to supervise a child custody visit. Near the end of the call, she asked how long before officers could get there.

"I don't know, ma'am," he said. "We have to respond to emergency life-threatening situations first."

She responded: "This could be life-threatening ... I'm afraid for their lives!"

Authorities said the call could have been handled better, and that it was unfortunate for the dispatcher to leave the social worker with the impression no help was immediately on the way. The agency that runs the call center said it would review the matter and start a disciplinary investigation if necessary.

Still, the recordings raised questions about an emergency response to a custody visit that ended with Powell killing himself and his boys.

Pierce County Sheriff's Detective Ed Troyer said deputies appeared to have been dispatched during the call, and he did not believe the conversation caused unnecessary delays.

"Are we unhappy with the etiquette and the manner? Yes," Troyer said. "Did it affect the response time? No. Dispatchers are typing information and addresses while they're on the phone with callers."

Troyer said his department is waiting for a copy of the "call-and-dispatch" log from the 911 center to see exactly how long it took for deputies to respond.

The details of the emergency calls emerged in audio recordings released by the sheriff's office late Tuesday. They did not include time stamps, and the call center did not immediately respond to a public records request from The Associated Press for the dispatch log.

SNIPPED
http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/agency-to-investigate911-call-in-powell-fire_2012-02-08.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 09, 2012, 09:56:48 AM
Brooke4Trib Brooke Adams
Josh Powell's family just told me they will delay a service for him so the focus stays on the children. #JoshPowell #susancoxpowell

https://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib (https://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib)

No need, IMO. I say throw him back in the wreckage and light another match. He obviously chose to be cremated, well, there you go..... be the poster child for "scorched earth policy".  I just wish he had limited his choices to HIMSELF!

CBB - It should be the shortest funeral in history. Dearly Beloved... we are gathered here today for a jive turkey limp pickle sniveling little hiney bucket named Josh Powell. Would anybody like to say a word or share a favorite memory? No? Ok... reception is at Denny's, see you there.

The pic they could use to remember him by should be a screen grab from the Blue Ski Cap interview. Why? Because he just looked so special in it.

 http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/susan-cox-powell-police-update-and-josh-powell-s-infamous-blue-cap-interview-video

God, please look after those kids... and I sure am glad that creep Josh no longer walks among us. He was awful. Lower than the belly of a snake.

CBB ITA
Carpe, even in the midst of agony and horror  ::MonkeyTears:: , you can still make me chuckle and I thank you.  ::MonkeyKiss2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 09, 2012, 10:10:49 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powell-threatened-mother-knife-90s-era-court/story?id=15544558#.TzPgbFwS2Ag

Josh Powell Threatened His Mother With Knife, '90s-Era Court Documents Allege
Quote
Terrica Powell wrote that her son once tried to commit suicide and also threatened her with a butcher knife. On other occasions, he and one of his brothers pushed and hit her, she wrote.

"I felt extreme fear when Josh made a veiled threat at me with a butcher knife in his hand. His demeanor was menacing for a moment as he said, 'Don't push it, mom,'" Powell wrote. "… I was terrified and left the room to go downstairs…"

Terrica Powell worried that Josh and another teenage brother could destroy their family, which included younger siblings, she wrote in a statement filed in court.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cecilita on February 09, 2012, 10:30:52 AM
Maybe this is 20/20 hindsight, but if the social worker felt the children were in imminent danger and if she didn't know the house address, why didn't she run next door to one of the houses and ask for help and/or the address?  All she had to do was run over there with her cell phone in hand, knock on the door and ask for the address.  If no one was home, go to next house.  Also, I noticed in one of the photos, there is a house number on the front of the house.  That might have at least been a start.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powell-missing-woman-susan-powells-husband-kills/story?id=15518478
Missing Woman Susan Powell's Husband Kills Kids, Himself, in House Explosion
By OLIVIA KATVRANDJIAN, DEAN SCHABNER and COLLEEN CURRY
February 5, 2012

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ap_abc_powell_explosion_dm_120205_wg.jpg)
because she went to move her car away from the driveway because she smelled gas


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 09, 2012, 10:40:24 AM
I want to know where that 7K is.  I believe that it should be seized and used to cover the expenses of burying Josh's victims.  It sure doesn't need to be used on anyone in the Powell family.

Also, those poor people that owned his rental home are now out of a property and have a terrible legacy on that lot. 

Talk about a red flag alert.  If a family member of mine sent me a sizeable chunk of cash and gave me instructions for turning off the utilities, I would be making lots of calls as I flew down the road to find out what was going on. 

For Alina, evidently, it was just a curiosity until his house blows up with him and her nephews in it.  And she wants sympathy for her brother?  What an enabler.   ::MonkeyHang::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 11:04:35 AM
Timeline of 911 log in Josh Powell response .

Highlights of the 911 log detailing the police and fire response to Josh Powell's home on Sunday:

12:08:21 p.m. — Social worker makes initial call to 911 to alert authorities that Josh Powell has locked her out of his home while his two young sons are inside.

12:13:20 — Operator transfers information from social worker to a dispatcher.

12:16:02 — First calls come in to 911 from people reporting a "house just exploded."

12:16:03 — Sheriff's deputies are dispatched to the home.

12:21:45 — Josh Powell's sister, Alina Powell, is on phone with dispatchers, telling them she received disturbing emails from her brother.

12:29:59 — Deputies arrive at the Powell home.

http://www.kvue.com/news/national/138985309.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 11:07:07 AM
Facebook effort launched to block Westboro Baptist picket

NorthWest Music Scene has launched a Facebook effort to keep a notoriously anti-gay church from picketing the funeral service for two young brothers killed Sunday in a violent house fire.

“We will be out in full force to help create a buffer so this memorial can take place peacefully,” the group wrote on the “Keep Westboro Church away from Powell Memorial” Facebook page.

 ::snipping2::

Margie Phelps, daughter of the Topeka, Kan.-based Westboro Baptist Church’s founder, tweeted Wednesday night that the church will attend the boys’ memorial service. The protest is to “remind” Gov. Chris Gregoire “they died because of her rebellion,” a reference to her support of same-sex marriages.

Occupy Seattle has announced a counterprotest.

NorthWest Music Scene encourages Facebook users to join them at Life Center Church at 10 a.m. Saturday.

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/09/facebook-effort-launched-to-block-westboro-baptist-picket/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 11:13:28 AM
Agency set to investigate handling of 911 call about Josh Powell
The Pierce County Sheriff's Department says a dispatcher's extensive questioning of a caseworker who tried to summon help to Josh Powell's home was inappropriate.

The Pierce County Sheriff's Department is unhappy with the way a 911 call taker handled a call from the caseworker who tried to summon deputies to Josh Powell's home in the agonizing minutes before he killed his children and himself.

The caseworker's call resulted in nearly seven minutes of questioning by the call taker — who even asked how to spell Powell's name — and about one additional minute before Pierce County sheriff's deputies were dispatched. A short time later, the Graham house erupted in flames, killing everyone inside.

"We're not happy with the way that (call taker) is bantering (with the caseworker)," sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Ed Troyer said Wednesday. "We understand that could have been handled better."

But more than twice that time elapsed between the time deputies were dispatched and their arrival at the home.

 ::snipping2::

Kris Dessen, spokeswoman for the Law Enforcement Support Agency, said that Pierce County has enhanced 911 services, which allows GPS tracking. But, she said, the tracking system is not always accurate. She said that call takers always ask a caller for the address of the incident location, as well as use GPS technology to track the location. Dessen said whether the 911 technology was able to track Sunday's call is under investigation.

 ::snipping2::

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017455002_dispatcher09m.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 11:16:58 AM
Josh Powell Threatened Mother with Knife, Court Documents Allege

GRAHAM, Wash.) -- Josh Powell, the husband of a missing Utah woman who killed himself and his two young sons last week, was a disturbed adolescent who threatened and hit his mother, according to 1992 court documents obtained by ABC News.

The documents, filed in Washington State during the divorce of Josh Powell's parents Steven and Terrica Powell, include several statements by Terrica Powell describing her son's disturbing behavior.

Terrica Powell wrote that her son once tried to commit suicide and also threatened her with a butcher knife.  On other occasions, he and one of his brothers pushed and hit her, she wrote.

The butcher knife incident, Terrica Powell wrote, was the result of her asking her son to do the dishes.

"I felt extreme fear when Josh made a veiled threat at me with a butcher knife in his hand.  His demeanor was menacing for a moment as he said, 'Don't push it, mom,'" Powell wrote.  "… I was terrified and left the room to go downstairs…"

Terrica Powell has declined an interview request with ABC News.

A lawyer for Chuck and Judy Cox, the parents of Powell's missing wife, Susan Powell, echoed the allegations about the butcher knife and the suicide attempt.  Lawyer Stephen Downing told 20/20 co-anchor Chris Cuomo that Josh Powell tried to kill himself by hanging.

"He was very troubled," Downing said.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.wtma.com/rssItem.asp?feedid=118&itemid=29797551


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 11:25:02 AM
Josh Powell Was Victim, His Sister Claims

 ::snipping2::

"I think he must have just felt that there was only one way left for him to protect his sons, from the pain, from all the emotional and physical pain they've been experiencing," Alina Powell said.

 ::snipping2::

http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powells-sister-believes-innocent-wifes-disappearance/story?id=15545887


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 11:27:45 AM
'Pinwheel vigil' for Powell boys today in Ogden

OGDEN -- Prevent Child Abuse Utah is holding a Community Pinwheel Vigil for the Powell boys at 4 p.m. today (Thursday) in the Municipal Gardens Playground.

The playground is located at 343 25th St. Pinwheels will be provided to attendees.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/02/09/pinwheel-vigil-powell-boys-today-ogden


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 11:31:54 AM
NANCY GRACE

Susan Powell`s Parents Break Their Silence

Aired February 8, 2012 - 20:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

 ::snipping2::

GRACE: With us tonight, breaking their silence in a primetime exclusive interview are the boys` grandparents, Susan`s parents, Chuck and Judy Cox, still struggling, struggling, trying to accept what has happened.

Mr. and Ms. Cox, I just keep looking back at all the giant road signs saying, No, no, no, stop, don`t let him have visitation, don`t let him have the boys alone, don`t let them go to his home. I mean, it`s just -- it`s so many things.

I mean, all along, I don`t know if Susan shared this with you, there was -- where he attempted suicide when he was younger, where he killed a pet when he was younger, just constant threats of suicide, threats that we have learned he made against Susan herself.

I just don`t understand. It seems like Wednesday`s hearing would have been the tipping point for him, and yet he still had visitation with the boys. I don`t understand, Mr. Cox!

CHUCK COX: It is just hard to believe. We made every effort. We found -- we found -- went over ourselves to Spokane County and looked at the -- at the divorce documents and pulled up the pages that -- on there, and we saw it. That explained so much and showed us more of his true character of him. And we warned -- we had been warning the police and DSHS and everybody that he was capable of hurting those children. And we were very concerned. And we -- but still a visitation was allowed, and I believe the laws required it. So I don`t know what we could -- I don`t think we could have done anything more.

 ::snipping2::

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1202/08/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 09, 2012, 11:32:04 AM
Brooke4Trib Brooke Adams
Josh Powell's family just told me they will delay a service for him so the focus stays on the children. #JoshPowell #susancoxpowell

https://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib (https://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib)

No need, IMO. I say throw him back in the wreckage and light another match. He obviously chose to be cremated, well, there you go..... be the poster child for "scorched earth policy".  I just wish he had limited his choices to HIMSELF!

CBB - It should be the shortest funeral in history. Dearly Beloved... we are gathered here today for a jive turkey limp pickle sniveling little hiney bucket named Josh Powell. Would anybody like to say a word or share a favorite memory? No? Ok... reception is at Denny's, see you there.

The pic they could use to remember him by should be a screen grab from the Blue Ski Cap interview. Why? Because he just looked so special in it.

 http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/susan-cox-powell-police-update-and-josh-powell-s-infamous-blue-cap-interview-video

God, please look after those kids... and I sure am glad that creep Josh no longer walks among us. He was awful. Lower than the belly of a snake.

CBB ITA
Carpe, even in the midst of agony and horror  ::MonkeyTears:: , you can still make me chuckle and I thank you.  ::MonkeyKiss2::

I know, Nut........... Carpe's that spoonful of sugar that makes the medicine go down when there's no choice but to swallow it. I'm particularly fond of his apt description of Josh as  "a jive turkey limp pickle sniveling little hiney bucket named Josh Powell."

SPOT ON!!     ::rhino::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 09, 2012, 11:35:35 AM
Northern........... thank you so much for keeping us all so well informed! The articles are a big help, and I appreciate them being right here for a quick catch up. Thanks to you and all the monkeys that make sure we have the latest!      ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 09, 2012, 11:37:08 AM
i think the 7k,would be part of JPs estate so it would be put in escrow,until
JPs estate is probated,and the sister can be jailed and fined,for withholding
the $$,im guessing she doesnt care,she already obstructed justice,with the
phone an emails,so one more charge shouldnt matter to her


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 09, 2012, 11:37:49 AM
Northern........... thank you so much for keeping us all so well informed! The articles are a big help, and I appreciate them being right here for a quick catch up. Thanks to you and all the monkeys that make sure we have the latest!      ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 09, 2012, 12:48:39 PM
Josh Powell Was Victim, His Sister Claims

 ::snipping2::

"I think he must have just felt that there was only one way left for him to protect his sons, from the pain, from all the emotional and physical pain they've been experiencing," Alina Powell said.

 ::snipping2::

http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powells-sister-believes-innocent-wifes-disappearance/story?id=15545887

Actually, I can understand her protecting her brother.  She's the product of the same sick gene pool and environment as Josh.  IMO, she'll become "a victim" of all this and play the part to the hilt.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 01:06:00 PM
Brooke4Trib Brooke Adams
Josh Powell's family just told me they will delay a service for him so the focus stays on the children. #JoshPowell #susancoxpowell

https://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib (https://twitter.com/#!/Brooke4Trib)

No need, IMO. I say throw him back in the wreckage and light another match. He obviously chose to be cremated, well, there you go..... be the poster child for "scorched earth policy".  I just wish he had limited his choices to HIMSELF!

CBB - It should be the shortest funeral in history. Dearly Beloved... we are gathered here today for a jive turkey limp pickle sniveling little hiney bucket named Josh Powell. Would anybody like to say a word or share a favorite memory? No? Ok... reception is at Denny's, see you there.

The pic they could use to remember him by should be a screen grab from the Blue Ski Cap interview. Why? Because he just looked so special in it.

 http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/susan-cox-powell-police-update-and-josh-powell-s-infamous-blue-cap-interview-video

God, please look after those kids... and I sure am glad that creep Josh no longer walks among us. He was awful. Lower than the belly of a snake.

Thank you Carpe.  That was classic.  I was waiting for the reference to his doo-lolly clackers   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 01:08:16 PM
Northern........... thank you so much for keeping us all so well informed! The articles are a big help, and I appreciate them being right here for a quick catch up. Thanks to you and all the monkeys that make sure we have the latest!      ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::

It's the least I can do to work out some of my anger through this.  You are all welcome.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 01:12:33 PM
Pam Roach seeks info sent by Utah about Powell children

State Sen. Pam Roach is asking the state Department of Social and Health Services to provide information sent to the agency by Utah police related to the custody of Braden and Charlie Powell.

On Feb. 1, West Valley City, Utah, police  issued a news release indicating the agency had sent information to Washington regarding the placement of Charles and Braden Powell. Four days later, the two boys were killed in a fire set by their father, Josh Powell, who was also killed in the blaze.

 ::snipping2::

http://today.seattletimes.com/2012/02/roach-seeks-info-on-powell-brothers-sent-to-dshs/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 01:16:56 PM
A history of violence: Josh Powell's mother filed papers saying he threatened her with a butcher knife as a teen

Josh Powell's mother said in 1992 that he tried to kill himself and threatened her with a butcher knife saying 'Don't push it, Mom'

Emergency dispatcher under fire for waiting 8 minutes to alert police

Investigation continues into warning signs about crazed father Josh Powell's behaviour before he 'hacked up' and killed his two sons, aged 5 and 7

 ::snipping2::

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2098876/A-history-violence-Josh-Powells-mother-filed-papers-saying-threatened-butcher-knife-teen.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 01:27:45 PM
Powell's sister says family members defending Josh 'in denial' .

One of Josh Powell's sisters spoke publicly for the first time Wednesday, saying she wasn't surprised that Josh kidnapped his sons, but she said she never imagined he was capable of killing them.

 ::snipping2::

KSL TV in Utah reports that Graves said she had witnessed a gradual decline in her brother's behavior over the years and called him "a bit of an odd duck." Graves said the controlling behavior of their father, Steven Powell, contributed to his son's downfall. When Josh Powell lived in Utah, Graves said he would spend hours on the phone with his father, multiple times a week.

"If anyone knows anything, it would be Steve," Kirk Graves said, regarding the disappearance of Susan Powell, Josh's wife. "When he finds a motive, then he'll talk."

 ::snipping2::

Both Jennifer and Kirk Graves plan to travel to Washington state this weekend for the funeral services for Charlie and Braden Powell, planned for Saturday, February 11, at the Life Center Church in Tacoma. Services will begin at 11 a.m.

http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=139021029&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10212


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 01:29:50 PM
Josh Powell as victim? Relatives' claim outrages almost everyone

Relatives of Josh Powell -- the man suspected in his wife's 2009 disappearance in Utah, the man who took an axe to his two young sons this weekend, the man who then killed the boys and himself in a house explosion -- has released a statement portraying him as a victim driven to horrific extremes.

The court of public opinion begs to differ.

 ::snipping2::

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/02/family-portrays-josh-powell-as-the-victim-driven-to-kill-his-two-sons.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 01:33:27 PM
911 logs: More than 20 minutes for deputies to get to Powell's home

TACOMA —
The 911 call logs show how long it took help to arrive at Josh Powell's house and what was happening in the meantime.

The logs show that nearly eight minutes elapsed between the time a social worker called 911 to report that  Powell's children were in danger and when deputies were dispatched, and it took another 14 minutes for a deputy to arrive on scene.   

  ::snipping2::

 It was deemed a priority two call.

“The priority is determined by the call type.  This was a custodial interference situation.  In the normal custodial interference, this was not, obviously, we know that now,” said Tom Orr of LESA.

KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Michelle Millman talked with a retired couple who trained more than 100 dispatchers here in Pierce County.

Retired firefighter David Blauvelt said after the social worker told dispatch she smelled gas, the call should have been given top priority.

“I was very angry at that point, because that’s the indication that this is a serious matter. You send the world,” said Blauvelt.

LESA said the man who took that original 911 call has years of experience, but LESA will launch a full investigation into how the calls were handled

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/logs-more-20-minutes-deputies-get-josh-powells-hom/nHYBy/



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 01:36:18 PM
Anti-gay church plans to protest Powell children funeral

SEATTLE – A notorious anti-gay church known for protesting military funerals says members will be at Saturday’s memorial service for Charlie and Braden Powell, claiming their deaths are payback from God over the state Legislature's support of gay marriage

 ::snipping2::

Josh Powell's sister, Alina, responded to the threatened Westboro protest.

"This is a horrible, disdainful act that serves no purpose other than to continue the years-long objectification of those little boys.  Charlie and Braden were not trophies to be won and paraded around; they were not bait to ferret out "guilt" in a man; they were not "evidence" in a "crime"; and they most certainly are not political pawns to be used by a church to spread yet more messages of HATE!  They are only little boys and they deserve better!  I am LIVID that my nephews continue to be used as a tactical maneuver, and I am LIVID that their service will be besmirched by an event a loving God would never approve!  Please let my nephews rest in peace!!" said Alina.

"Hate has taken far too great a toll on us ALL already!--Please, STOP THE HATE!"

 ::snipping2::

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Westboro-baptist-chuch-powell-funeral-139011374.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 09, 2012, 01:44:51 PM
Anti-gay church plans to protest Powell children funeral

SEATTLE – A notorious anti-gay church known for protesting military funerals says members will be at Saturday’s memorial service for Charlie and Braden Powell, claiming their deaths are payback from God over the state Legislature's support of gay marriage

 ::snipping2::

Josh Powell's sister, Alina, responded to the threatened Westboro protest.

"This is a horrible, disdainful act that serves no purpose other than to continue the years-long objectification of those little boys.  Charlie and Braden were not trophies to be won and paraded around; they were not bait to ferret out "guilt" in a man; they were not "evidence" in a "crime"; and they most certainly are not political pawns to be used by a church to spread yet more messages of HATE!  They are only little boys and they deserve better!  I am LIVID that my nephews continue to be used as a tactical maneuver, and I am LIVID that their service will be besmirched by an event a loving God would never approve!  Please let my nephews rest in peace!!" said Alina.

"Hate has taken far too great a toll on us ALL already!--Please, STOP THE HATE!"

 ::snipping2::

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Westboro-baptist-chuch-powell-funeral-139011374.html
She should've preached that message to her brother.  HATE made him kill his wife.  HATE made him move his children away from their home and grandparents just weeks after Susan's murder.  HATE had him spewing lies in court about Susan's family.  HATE made him murder Susan's children in such a calculated and vile manner.  Aline needs to shut the F up.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 09, 2012, 03:26:51 PM
I was just watching Shep on Fox News. He said that when the operator FINALLY dispatched the call for response, he categorized the call as "routine" rather than urgent or life threatening.

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 09, 2012, 03:31:38 PM
I was just watching Shep on Fox News. He said that when the operator FINALLY dispatched the call for response, he categorized the call as "routine" rather than urgent or life threatening.

 ::MonkeyEek::

Wasn't that a kicker..... ::MonkeyMad::
I thought I couldn't get any madder, WRONG!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 09, 2012, 03:49:41 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/09/10364954-anti-gay-westboro-baptist-church-to-protest-at-slain-powell-boys-funeral
Anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church to protest at slain Powell boys' funeral
February 9, 2012

EATTLE – Westboro Baptist Church, an anti-gay church best known for protesting military funerals, says its members will be at Saturday’s memorial service for Charlie and Braden Powell, the two children who died when their father allegedly set fire to his house.

The small Topeka, Kan.-based church, known for its extreme opposition to homosexuality, claims the boys' deaths are payback from God over the Washington state Legislature's support of gay marriage.


Hundreds of people have already vowed online to show up to keep the Westboro Baptist Church from disrupting the funeral, which will be at Life Center Church in Tacoma at 11 a.m.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2012, 04:12:08 PM
I was just watching Shep on Fox News. He said that when the operator FINALLY dispatched the call for response, he categorized the call as "routine" rather than urgent or life threatening.

 ::MonkeyEek::


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Routine!!!


Social worker's 911 call from Josh Powell's home
By The Associated Press – 1 day ago


Police have released a series of recordings from 911 calls made Sunday when authorities in Washington state say Josh Powell locked himself and his two young sons in his house and lit it on fire. The following transcript comes from a social worker who had just arrived at the home with the boys for a court-ordered supervise visit. The transcript has been edited to remove personal information.

DISPATCHER: Good morning.

<snipped>

SOCIAL WORKER: OK. It's 8119 189th St. Court East, Puyallup, 98375. And I'd like to pull out of the driveway because I smell gasoline and he won't let me in.

911 OPERATOR: You want to pull out of the driveway because you smell gasoline but he won't let you --

<snipped>

911 OPERATOR: I don't know ma'am. They have to respond to emergencies, life-threatening situations first. The first available deputy will respond.

SOCIAL WORKER: This could be life-threatening. He went to court on Wednesday, and he didn't bring his kids back and this is really — I'm afraid for their lives.

<snipped>

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hu3YZxVj8ZLUP9ij_0IpIXhZ6GaA?docId=ffe38b8eec9b4d50810e9fd3d61b8973



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 09, 2012, 04:20:24 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/09/10364954-anti-gay-westboro-baptist-church-to-protest-at-slain-powell-boys-funeral
Anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church to protest at slain Powell boys' funeral
February 9, 2012

EATTLE – Westboro Baptist Church, an anti-gay church best known for protesting military funerals, says its members will be at Saturday’s memorial service for Charlie and Braden Powell, the two children who died when their father allegedly set fire to his house.

The small Topeka, Kan.-based church, known for its extreme opposition to homosexuality, claims the boys' deaths are payback from God over the Washington state Legislature's support of gay marriage.


Hundreds of people have already vowed online to show up to keep the Westboro Baptist Church from disrupting the funeral, which will be at Life Center Church in Tacoma at 11 a.m.
 ::snipping2::



Oh, isn't that rich.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: That's exactly what this case needs...........

There are few things on earth that anger me more than idiots wrapping themselves in false or "plucked" teachings and pretending to be a mouthpiece for Almighty God.

The picture that emerges from a whole study of scripture is one written and read most clearly on your own heart, and that God has a consistent and loving and just nature. Our God did not exact judgment on those children for anything, you morons. Our God has mercifully provided the only comfort possible from the events that Josh Powell caused. I know that the day will come when those Westboro Baptists will learn first hand all they care to and much more about God's justice, and they'll be on the receiving end of the wisdom.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 09, 2012, 04:57:25 PM
Every time I think this can't get any worse, it does!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powell-told-sons-surprise/story?id=15549745
Josh Powell Told Sons He Had 'Surprise' For Them, Social Worker
February 9, 2012

Josh Powell told his sons he had a "big surprise" for them as they ran toward his home Sunday, just moments before he attacked them with a hatchet and then blew them up, social worker Elizabeth Griffin Hall told ABC News today.

"He caught my eye, his shoulders were slumped. He had a sheepish look," Hall told "20/20" in an exclusive interview. "He just shrugged his shoulders and slammed the door."

Hall said she had been taking the boys, Charles, 7, and Braden, 5, on supervised visits to Powell's house for three months.

Powell, who was the sole suspect in his wife Susan Cox's disappearance in 2009, had lost custody of the children in September and lost an appeal to get his children back just four days before he decided to kill them.
 ::snipping2::
On Sunday, the children bounded out of her car and took off running for their father's house with Hall a few steps behind. Powell let them in, gave Hall his odd look, and locked the door.

As Hall banged on the door, "I heard him say, 'Charlie, I've got a big surprise for you'... And then I heard Braden cry out."

Powell often had surprises for the boys, Hall said, and the younger boy had a sore foot that Hall thought he had banged into something, but police later determined that Powell had used a hatchet to chop at his sons' heads and necks.

"I'm saying, 'Let me in, Josh, let me in,'" Hall said. "I realized I didn't have my phone in my hand and I could smell gas. Too much time had passed and I could smell gas."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 09, 2012, 04:58:36 PM
yes CBB,the only person to blame is josh powell
and this poster feels the same way i do,about what will happen at the service


Quote
Wrapper98439

Feb. 9, 2012 at 1:01 pm   


It has been announced as a public welcome event. They will get in. Keeping them out is discrimination. Once they disrupt the service, they can he removed, causing the circus. Sad.

Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/09/facebook-effort-launched-to-block-westboro-baptist-picket/#storylink=misearch#storylink=cpy


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Samarie on February 09, 2012, 05:00:59 PM
.
Josh Powell Told Sons He Had 'Surprise' For Them, Social Worker
By CHRIS CUOMO, HARRY PHILLIPS and COLLEEN CURRY | ABC News – 1 hr 46 mins ago.

 ::snipping2::
Josh Powell told his sons he had a "big surprise" for them as they ran toward his home Sunday, just moments before he attacked them with a hatchet and then blew them up, social worker Elizabeth Griffin Hall told ABC News today.
 ::snipping2::
Hall told the story of what happened over and over again to authorities as they arrived and assured her she could not have done anything differently. She blames Powell fully for what happened, and said she never thought he would hurt the boys. But now, she said, she knows he would have done anything to kill them, even if they had the supervised visitation somewhere else.
 
"How this happened is that Josh Powell was really, really evil. I couldn't have stopped him," she said.
 
"I did everything I was supposed to do. I did everything right and the boys are still dead," Hall said. "It took just a second. When I close my eyes I see him and he was so normal. He did not look like a monster."
 ::snipping2::
Hall said she loves working with children. "God called me to do this," she said.
 
"I am not going to be his victim. He's not going to destroy my passion for children. He's not going toss top me from working with children," she said.
 
But the memory of Charlie and Braden will stay with her forever, Hall said.

"The world lost two beautiful boys to a monster."

http://news.yahoo.com/josh-powell-told-sons-had-surprise-them-social-200053788--abc-news.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 09, 2012, 05:20:49 PM
Every time I think this can't get any worse, it does!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powell-told-sons-surprise/story?id=15549745
Josh Powell Told Sons He Had 'Surprise' For Them, Social Worker
February 9, 2012

Josh Powell told his sons he had a "big surprise" for them as they ran toward his home Sunday, just moments before he attacked them with a hatchet and then blew them up, social worker Elizabeth Griffin Hall told ABC News today.

"He caught my eye, his shoulders were slumped. He had a sheepish look," Hall told "20/20" in an exclusive interview. "He just shrugged his shoulders and slammed the door."

Hall said she had been taking the boys, Charles, 7, and Braden, 5, on supervised visits to Powell's house for three months.

Powell, who was the sole suspect in his wife Susan Cox's disappearance in 2009, had lost custody of the children in September and lost an appeal to get his children back just four days before he decided to kill them.
 ::snipping2::
On Sunday, the children bounded out of her car and took off running for their father's house with Hall a few steps behind. Powell let them in, gave Hall his odd look, and locked the door.

As Hall banged on the door, "I heard him say, 'Charlie, I've got a big surprise for you'... And then I heard Braden cry out."

Powell often had surprises for the boys, Hall said, and the younger boy had a sore foot that Hall thought he had banged into something, but police later determined that Powell had used a hatchet to chop at his sons' heads and necks.

"I'm saying, 'Let me in, Josh, let me in,'" Hall said. "I realized I didn't have my phone in my hand and I could smell gas. Too much time had passed and I could smell gas."
 ::snipping2::

There is a part of the above that makes no sense to me.........
"and the younger boy had a sore foot that Hall thought he had banged into something, but police later determined that Powell had used a hatchet to chop at his sons' heads and necks."  What does the sore foot on Braden's foot have to do w/ the hatchet being used...?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 09, 2012, 05:27:52 PM
Every time I think this can't get any worse, it does!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powell-told-sons-surprise/story?id=15549745
Josh Powell Told Sons He Had 'Surprise' For Them, Social Worker
February 9, 2012

Josh Powell told his sons he had a "big surprise" for them as they ran toward his home Sunday, just moments before he attacked them with a hatchet and then blew them up, social worker Elizabeth Griffin Hall told ABC News today.

"He caught my eye, his shoulders were slumped. He had a sheepish look," Hall told "20/20" in an exclusive interview. "He just shrugged his shoulders and slammed the door."

Hall said she had been taking the boys, Charles, 7, and Braden, 5, on supervised visits to Powell's house for three months.

Powell, who was the sole suspect in his wife Susan Cox's disappearance in 2009, had lost custody of the children in September and lost an appeal to get his children back just four days before he decided to kill them.
 ::snipping2::
On Sunday, the children bounded out of her car and took off running for their father's house with Hall a few steps behind. Powell let them in, gave Hall his odd look, and locked the door.

As Hall banged on the door, "I heard him say, 'Charlie, I've got a big surprise for you'... And then I heard Braden cry out."

Powell often had surprises for the boys, Hall said, and the younger boy had a sore foot that Hall thought he had banged into something, but police later determined that Powell had used a hatchet to chop at his sons' heads and necks.

"I'm saying, 'Let me in, Josh, let me in,'" Hall said. "I realized I didn't have my phone in my hand and I could smell gas. Too much time had passed and I could smell gas."
 ::snipping2::

There is a part of the above that makes no sense to me.........
"and the younger boy had a sore foot that Hall thought he had banged into something, but police later determined that Powell had used a hatchet to chop at his sons' heads and necks."  What does the sore foot on Braden's foot have to do w/ the hatchet being used...?

Nut, I think what the social worker was trying to say was, Braden had a sore foot before he went for the visit to Josh.  After the boys ran into the house, the social worker heard Braden cry out and  she thought perhaps he had hurt his already sore foot by banging it on something, but what really caused Braden to cry out was Josh hitting him with the axe.  Does that make sense? 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Samarie on February 09, 2012, 05:29:51 PM
Every time I think this can't get any worse, it does!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powell-told-sons-surprise/story?id=15549745
Josh Powell Told Sons He Had 'Surprise' For Them, Social Worker
February 9, 2012

Josh Powell told his sons he had a "big surprise" for them as they ran toward his home Sunday, just moments before he attacked them with a hatchet and then blew them up, social worker Elizabeth Griffin Hall told ABC News today.

"He caught my eye, his shoulders were slumped. He had a sheepish look," Hall told "20/20" in an exclusive interview. "He just shrugged his shoulders and slammed the door."

Hall said she had been taking the boys, Charles, 7, and Braden, 5, on supervised visits to Powell's house for three months.

Powell, who was the sole suspect in his wife Susan Cox's disappearance in 2009, had lost custody of the children in September and lost an appeal to get his children back just four days before he decided to kill them.
 ::snipping2::
On Sunday, the children bounded out of her car and took off running for their father's house with Hall a few steps behind. Powell let them in, gave Hall his odd look, and locked the door.

As Hall banged on the door, "I heard him say, 'Charlie, I've got a big surprise for you'... And then I heard Braden cry out."

Powell often had surprises for the boys, Hall said, and the younger boy had a sore foot that Hall thought he had banged into something, but police later determined that Powell had used a hatchet to chop at his sons' heads and necks.

"I'm saying, 'Let me in, Josh, let me in,'" Hall said. "I realized I didn't have my phone in my hand and I could smell gas. Too much time had passed and I could smell gas."
 ::snipping2::

There is a part of the above that makes no sense to me.........
"and the younger boy had a sore foot that Hall thought he had banged into something, but police later determined that Powell had used a hatchet to chop at his sons' heads and necks."  What does the sore foot on Braden's foot have to do w/ the hatchet being used...?

When she heard crying behind the locked door she thought the younger boy, with the injured foot, had banged his foot on something. Now she realizes the crying she heard was likely due to the hatchet injuries josh was inflicting on the boys with the hatchet...at least, that's what I got out of it.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Samarie on February 09, 2012, 05:31:11 PM
Muffy...you are some fast on the puter!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2012, 05:36:12 PM
I was just watching Shep on Fox News. He said that when the operator FINALLY dispatched the call for response, he categorized the call as "routine" rather than urgent or life threatening.

 ::MonkeyEek::


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Routine!!!


Social worker's 911 call from Josh Powell's home
By The Associated Press – 1 day ago


Police have released a series of recordings from 911 calls made Sunday when authorities in Washington state say Josh Powell locked himself and his two young sons in his house and lit it on fire. The following transcript comes from a social worker who had just arrived at the home with the boys for a court-ordered supervise visit. The transcript has been edited to remove personal information.

DISPATCHER: Good morning.

<snipped>

SOCIAL WORKER: OK. It's 8119 189th St. Court East, Puyallup, 98375. And I'd like to pull out of the driveway because I smell gasoline and he won't let me in.

911 OPERATOR: You want to pull out of the driveway because you smell gasoline but he won't let you --

<snipped>

911 OPERATOR: I don't know ma'am. They have to respond to emergencies, life-threatening situations first. The first available deputy will respond.

SOCIAL WORKER: This could be life-threatening. He went to court on Wednesday, and he didn't bring his kids back and this is really — I'm afraid for their lives.

<snipped>

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hu3YZxVj8ZLUP9ij_0IpIXhZ6GaA?docId=ffe38b8eec9b4d50810e9fd3d61b8973




Social worker's 911 call from Josh Powell's home
By The Associated Press – 1 day ago


<snipped>

911 OPERATOR: What's the address?

SOCIAL WORKER: 8119 and I think it's 89th -- I don't know what the address is.

911 OPERATOR: OK, that's pretty important for me to know.

SOCIAL WORKER: I'm sorry, just a minute. Let me get in my car and see if I can find it. Nothing like this has ever happened before in these visitations, so, I'm really shocked and I can hear one of the kids crying but he still wouldn't let me in. OK, it is one, uh, one ... Oh, just a minute I have it here. You can't find me by GPS?

<snipped>

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hu3YZxVj8ZLUP9ij_0IpIXhZ6GaA?docId=ffe38b8eec9b4d50810e9fd3d61b8973





Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 09, 2012, 05:38:53 PM
Muffy...you are some fast on the puter!


Samarie, you and I  seem to agree on what we think the social worker was saying in the article on hearing little Braden cry out after he ran in the house.  How horrible!!  I had to read it a couple of times to understand what she meant.

I think any speed to my posting can be attributed to high speed internet.   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KCJackie on February 09, 2012, 05:58:59 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/09/10364954-anti-gay-westboro-baptist-church-to-protest-at-slain-powell-boys-funeral
Anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church to protest at slain Powell boys' funeral
February 9, 2012

EATTLE – Westboro Baptist Church, an anti-gay church best known for protesting military funerals, says its members will be at Saturday’s memorial service for Charlie and Braden Powell, the two children who died when their father allegedly set fire to his house.

The small Topeka, Kan.-based church, known for its extreme opposition to homosexuality, claims the boys' deaths are payback from God over the Washington state Legislature's support of gay marriage.


Hundreds of people have already vowed online to show up to keep the Westboro Baptist Church from disrupting the funeral, which will be at Life Center Church in Tacoma at 11 a.m.
 ::snipping2::



 :gaah: ::pullinghairout:: Sick, sick, sick!! :gaah: ::pullinghairout::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 09, 2012, 06:14:29 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/09/10364954-anti-gay-westboro-baptist-church-to-protest-at-slain-powell-boys-funeral
Anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church to protest at slain Powell boys' funeral
February 9, 2012

EATTLE – Westboro Baptist Church, an anti-gay church best known for protesting military funerals, says its members will be at Saturday’s memorial service for Charlie and Braden Powell, the two children who died when their father allegedly set fire to his house.

The small Topeka, Kan.-based church, known for its extreme opposition to homosexuality, claims the boys' deaths are payback from God over the Washington state Legislature's support of gay marriage.


Hundreds of people have already vowed online to show up to keep the Westboro Baptist Church from disrupting the funeral, which will be at Life Center Church in Tacoma at 11 a.m.

 ::snipping2::



According to a Dateline episode that I watched ... the membership of the Westboro Baptist Church is VERY small ... mostly one family.  Considering the online response ... I do not believe there will be any disruption of the service ... the service that will be held to honor the lives of Braden and Charlie.

Janet


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Anna on February 09, 2012, 06:14:45 PM
One child may have cried out seeing his brother being chopped with a hatchet. 

Totally premeditated also as evidenced by giving away the childrens' belongings.

Hell . . . special place. . .for Josh and those who supported and defended him and refused to do anything about him and his porno father.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 09, 2012, 06:57:30 PM
http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/boys-murders-local-authorities-not-told-utah-polic/nHYtM/

Posted: 2:28 p.m. Thursday, Feb. 9, 2012
Before boys’ murders, local authorities not told that Utah police believed Susan Powell was killed

OLYMPIA, Wash. —
Though Utah authorities believed six months ago that missing mother Susan Cox Powell had been murdered, authorities in Washington state were not notified.
 ::snipping2::
Though a Utah court issued a gag order related to information that Utah police sent to the custody hearing last Wednesday, the Assistant Attorney General, who was handling the custody case, said that information was about disturbing images and not the information that said Susan Powell was believed to have been killed.

“I think the social worker would have liked to have known that, if Utah had chosen to share that information,” McKenna said. “There’s going to be a lot of second-guessing there, and I’m sure in Utah, officials are wondering whether they should have done things differently.”


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: akmom on February 09, 2012, 06:58:21 PM
Every time, when more comes out, I keep thinking it can't get any worse.  I don't know how the Cox family can go on.  I feel so bad for them.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 09, 2012, 06:59:38 PM
Probably already posted:

http://**/sltrib/news/53480923-78/powell-police-roach-washington.html.csp (http://**/sltrib/news/53480923-78/powell-police-roach-washington.html.csp)

Washington police search landfill based on tip in Powell case

 
By nate carlisle

The Salt Lake Tribune
First published 5 hours ago
Updated 34 minutes ago

Puyallup, Wash. • Police here are searching a landfill after receiving a tip that Josh Powell may have taken papers there shortly before he murdered his children and committed suicide in the fire he set at his home.

Investigators from the Pierce County Sheriff’s Office search a cordoned off area of a waste disposal site and recycling center near Powell’s Graham area home on Thurday, but the effort has so far failed to yield anything relevant to the case, said office spokesman Ed Troyer.

Search efforts will resume Sunday, Troyer said. Investigators had received a tip that Powell may have taken office paper to the recycling center on Saturday, according to Don Taylor, assistant district manager for LRI Hidden Valley, which owns the landfill.

Taylor said there are no security cameras on site, and Saturday was one of the site’s busiest days on record as people disposed of debris from a recent storm.

As investigators continue their search for clues that could complete a timeline of Powell’s activities leading up to the Sunday blaze or solve the case of his wife’s 2009 disappearance, one lawmaker was calling for a review of the custody case involving the Powell children.
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Post by: grace-land on February 09, 2012, 07:01:01 PM
One child may have cried out seeing his brother being chopped with a hatchet.   
Totally premeditated also as evidenced by giving away the childrens' belongings.

Hell . . . special place. . .for Josh and those who supported and defended him and refused to do anything about him and his porno father.

bbm in blue

That's what a was thinking, Anna.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 09, 2012, 07:05:21 PM
One child may have cried out seeing his brother being chopped with a hatchet.   
Totally premeditated also as evidenced by giving away the childrens' belongings.

Hell . . . special place. . .for Josh and those who supported and defended him and refused to do anything about him and his porno father.

bbm in blue

That's what I  was thinking, Anna.


Edit


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 09, 2012, 07:14:07 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2012/02/powell-family-tragedy-on-2020-dr-phil-on-friday.html

Powell family tragedy on ‘20/20,’ ‘Dr. Phil’ on Friday
20/20, ABC, Dr. Phil, WFTV, WOFL — posted by halboedeker on February, 9 2012 6:23 PM

The Powell family tragedy that stunned the nation will be explored on “Dr. Phil” and ABC’s “20/20,” both airing Friday

In an interview with Dr. Phil McGraw, Susan Powell’s parents talk about the loss of their grandsons.
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On “20/20,” anchor Chris Cuomo looks at the story in a report called “Sins of the Father.” The program airs at 10 p.m. Friday on WFTV-Channel 9.

ABC News said, “Cuomo explores the lingering questions in the case: Did Josh kill his wife Susan back in 2009? If so, where is she? And is Josh’s father, Steve Powell, the key to the case?”

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Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 09, 2012, 07:19:53 PM
http://**/sltrib/news/53474647-78/wadagnolo-powell-business-josh.html.csp
Josh Powell’s boss says he was a good programmer
By nate carlisle
The Salt Lake Tribune
First published 5 hours ago
Updated 4 minutes ago

Kent, Wash. • When Ed Wadagnolo posted a job opening for his small software company last year, he received an application from an experienced programmer named Josh Powell.

“He told me his name,” Wadagnolo recalled Wednesday, “and he told us to look him up. ‘I am that Josh Powell.’ ”

Powell became the “No. 1 candidate,” Wadagnolo said, because of his technical abilities. When deciding on whether to offer him a position, Powell’s forthrightness about how he was under suspicion for the disappearance of his wife, Susan Cox Powell, worked in his favor.

“There’s a couple things you look for when you hire somebody,” Wadagnolo said. “Is he honest? On [the disappearance] he wasn’t just honest. He shared.”

“We made a decision,” Wadagnolo added, “that we believe in our justice system and he has not been charged with anything.”
More...

Self-edit to add:  Interesting comments. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 09, 2012, 07:20:21 PM
One child may have cried out seeing his brother being chopped with a hatchet.   
Totally premeditated also as evidenced by giving away the childrens' belongings.

Hell . . . special place. . .for Josh and those who supported and defended him and refused to do anything about him and his porno father.

bbm in blue

That's what a was thinking, Anna.

When I read that she could hear the children crying I thought the same. 

What kind of SOB tells his child he has a surprise for him and then does what he did?  Pure evil.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 09, 2012, 07:23:24 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/josh-powell-case-argues-neutral-location-visits-235000341.html

Josh Powell Case Argues for Neutral Location Visits


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 09, 2012, 07:25:23 PM
I'm sick of hearing from his pastor and boss.  So he sounded normal and honest.  Guess what????  Most sociopaths do.  That's what makes them sociopaths. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 09, 2012, 07:37:38 PM
I'm sick of hearing from his pastor and boss.  So he sounded normal and honest.  Guess what????  Most sociopaths do.  That's what makes them sociopaths. 

ITA KittyMom. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 09, 2012, 07:47:49 PM
Every time, when more comes out, I keep thinking it can't get any worse.  I don't know how the Cox family can go on.  I feel so bad for them.
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Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 09, 2012, 08:04:15 PM
(http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/on-deadline/2012/02/09/Powellx-wide-community.jpg)By Chuck and Judy Cox via AP


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 09, 2012, 08:44:21 PM
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19178763

Utahns gather to remember Powell boys with pinwheel vigil
By Andrew WittenbergFebruary 9th, 2012 @ 5:57pm

OGDEN -- As authorities sort out the details of how that tragedy came to be, communities near and far are still mourning the deaths of Charlie and Braden Powell.

Thursday afternoon, Ogden residents gathered to remember the Powell boys with a special symbol of hope - a toy pinwheel.

Some 400 of the blue and silver child's toys were distributed among approximately 100 attendees at the vigil.

They did not know Susan Cox Powell, Josh Powell or Charlie and Braden, but nevertheless, they came to mourn and to speak out against child abuse.
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-------------------------

Photo Gallery   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 09, 2012, 09:10:20 PM
http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=139039289&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10212

DSHS spokesman pushes back at critics, defends handling of Powell case
Posted on February 9, 2012 at 4:34 PM

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Washington state Sen. Pam Roach, R-Auburn, requested that DSHS hand over all the information it received from Utah police about the investigation into Josh Powell, his missing wife, Susan Cox Powell, and their children.

Roach sent a letter to DSHS Secretary Robin Arnold-Williams, asking the agency to provide the records, citing news reports that police in Utah had been conducting a murder investigation into Susan Powell’s disappearance for at least six months.

Shapley said DSHS remains under a court order preventing the disclosure of the Utah information, but the agency is working with the Utah courts to obtain some flexibility in releasing more information.

"Sen. Roach seems to think we drug our feet or we failed to act on the information out of Utah," Shapley told KING 5 News. "We acted on it."

Earlier on Thursday, Roach issued a statement urging DSHS "to come clean" with what it knew about Josh Powell in the days leading up to Sunday's murder-suicide.

"It appears DSHS was forewarned about information regarding Joshua Powell and the treatment of his boys. ...  Having information pertinent to the welfare of the Powell children, and not acting on it, may have actually contributed to their deaths," said Roach.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 09, 2012, 09:31:55 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Grandparents-lawyer-didn-t-see-Powell-images-3216527.php

Grandparents' lawyer didn't see Powell images
Published 05:47 p.m., Thursday, February 9, 2012

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But a lawyer for Powell's in-laws, who had custody of the boys, wasn't invited to see the materials before the hearing — even though a Utah judge had specified in a sealed court order that he was one of the few people allowed to see them.

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Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Grandparents-lawyer-didn-t-see-Powell-images-3216527.php#ixzz1lwSMygEk


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 09, 2012, 09:43:26 PM
So, another missed opportunity.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 09, 2012, 10:33:01 PM
http://**/sltrib/news/53480923-78/powell-police-roach-thursday.html.csp
Washington police search landfill based on tip in Powell case
By nate carlisle

The Salt Lake Tribune
First published Feb 09 2012 11:35AM
Updated 17 minutes ago

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Police here are searching the recycling center at a landfill after receiving a tip that Powell may have taken papers there shortly before he ignited a fire at his home to kill himself and his two young sons.

Investigators from the Pierce County Sheriff’s Office visited the recycling center Wednesday, conducting a brief search of the area where the papers might be. The effort failed to yield anything relevant, and efforts will resume there this coming Sunday, said office spokesman Ed Troyer.

Investigators had received a tip that Powell may have taken office paper to the recycling center on Saturday, according to Don Taylor, assistant district manager for LRI Hidden Valley, which operates the landfill.

Taylor said there are no security cameras on site, and Saturday was one of the site’s busiest days on record as people disposed of debris from a recent storm. The landfill is a 3-mile drive from Powell’s Graham rental home.
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(2 pg. article)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 10:52:54 PM
APNewsBreak: Powell had 'incestuous' images

SEATTLE (WTW) — Authorities say a computer in Josh Powell's home had animated images that depicted "incestuous" sex.

Pierce County Sheriff's Detective Ed Troyer said Thursday night that the images collected by investigators from Powell's home computer in Utah two years ago were realistic computer-generated depictions of "incestuous" parent-child relations. The images were disconcerting enough that they prompted a psychologist to recommend last week that Powell undergo an intensive psychosexual evaluation.

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http://www.sheboyganpress.com/usatoday/article/38541531?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cp


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 10:57:55 PM
Detective: Josh Powell computer depicted parent-child sex

SEATTLE -- A computer in Josh Powell's former home in Utah had animated images that depicted "incestuous" sex between parent and child, Pierce County authorities said, and a state official said the material prompted a judge to order Powell to undergo a psycho-sexual evaluation just days before he killed his children and himself.

Pierce County Sheriff's Detective Ed Troyer told The Associated Press on Thursday night that the images collected by investigators in Utah two years ago were realistic computer-generated depictions of "incestuous" parent-child relations.

The documents and images were recovered by police in West Valley, Utah, and sent to the Pierce County Sheriff's Department under a restrictive court order on Feb. 1, NBC station KING 5 reported. According to Washington's Department of Social and Health Services Public Affairs Senior Director Thomas Shapley, the material prompted the court to stop a process that likely would have returned Charlie, 7, and Braden, 5, to their father's custody.

Shapley said the material found on the computer was so disturbing that it prompted the state psychologist consulting in the custody case to change his opinion and recommend that the court prevent the return of the children.

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http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/09/10366586-detective-josh-powell-computer-depicted-parent-child-sex


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 11:07:34 PM
Lawmaker: 'Red flags' were there throughout Josh Powell's life

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Court documents reveal Powell had a troubled adolescence filled with tension and violence. Longtime friends cite examples of behavior called both callous and selfish. Interviews and evidence gathered following the disappearance of his wife pointed to bizarre actions. And most recently, an "alert" sent to the Washington courts from authorities in Utah citing pornographic material found in his home have lawmakers and others asking why Powell was allowed near his children.

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The Troubling questions and search for understanding has put the focus on Josh Powell and his father, Steven. Trouble appeared long before Josh ever met Susan Cox.

It was in Nov. 1992, when Powell was 16, that his mother expressed concerns about her sons and what she felt they were learning from her Steven Powell, her husband.

"To see them becoming so hardened toward others and scornful of law and order is very frightening to me," Terrica Powell wrote in a court declaration. "I feel that they are being victimized by Steve's distorted teachings. I am hoping that they will be able to receive the kind of help they need in time to prevent them from destroying their lives, or others' lives around them."

The disturbing details of Josh Powell's adolescence can be found in close to 200 pages of court documents filed as part of a divorce proceeding. They include threats he allegedly made to his mother with a butcher knife,  and his killing of a pet hamster. Terrica Powell wrote numerous times about Josh Powell, who apparently followed his father's lead in harassing and abusing their mother, according to the documents.

"With the kind of disrespect the kids have learned to have regarding laws, I worry about what they will do," Terrica Powell wrote. "It seems like there is a sickness pervading my family and I have been powerless to stop it."

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Terrica Powell said many of her son's issues at the time might have stemmed from a turbulent relationship with his father. Steven Powell would "pointedly attack" Josh Powell, she stated in the documents.

"I think that much of Josh's difficulties through the years has stemmed from not knowing where the boundaries are — what are the limits of acceptable behavior," she said .

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Rachel Marini, who knew Josh Powell before he married Susan Cox, said she and her husband, Tim, became good friends with the couple in Washington. But she eventually started to take issue with the way Josh Powell treated his wife.

"Every restaurant we ate at, Susan could have one thing from the dollar menu, but he could have whatever he wanted," Marini said, recalling a road trip the group took. "He just had to be in control of every situation and the one who called all of the shots."

Marini said she was also concerned about the callousness with which he treated his children. He wouldn't extend his hand to keep a young Charlie from falling down the stairs, instead calling Susan Cox Powell in from another room to help the child. At one point, the boy appeared malnourished because Josh Powell said he wasn't "wasting his table food" on the child.

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705399102/Lawmaker-Red-flags-were-there-throughout-Josh-Powells-life.html?pg=1


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 09, 2012, 11:07:44 PM
Detective: Josh Powell computer depicted parent-child sex

SEATTLE -- A computer in Josh Powell's former home in Utah had animated images that depicted "incestuous" sex between parent and child, Pierce County authorities said, and a state official said the material prompted a judge to order Powell to undergo a psycho-sexual evaluation just days before he killed his children and himself.

 ::snipping2::

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/09/10366586-detective-josh-powell-computer-depicted-parent-child-sex

OMG, this case just gets more horrendously twisted!!   ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 11:12:05 PM
Divorce documents shed light on Josh Powell’s troubles

Puyallup, Wash. » If there are any clues to the terrible events that culminated in the disappearance of a Utah mom, a dead father and two murdered children, they may lie in documents filed two decades ago.

Long before Josh Powell killed himself and his 7 and 5-year-old sons in a fire on Sunday, the pages of his parents’ divorce file portrayed him as a seriously troubled teen who attempted suicide, killed pet gerbils, once threatened his mother with a butcher knife and early on adopted his father’s allegedly disparaging view of women.

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The divorce of Steve and Terrica Powell involved allegations of mental unfitness, pornography, polygamy and even witchcraft. There were serious conflicts over religion and parenting, and a tug-of-war ensued over the children, who at the time ranged in age from 18 to 7. Josh, the second oldest child, was 16.

http://**/sltrib/news/53483190-78/josh-terrica-steve-powell.html.csp


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: akmom on February 09, 2012, 11:12:20 PM
Each new thing makes me want to scream.  I just can't help wondering how much more can those poor grandparents take?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 11:13:11 PM
Detective: Josh Powell computer depicted parent-child sex

SEATTLE -- A computer in Josh Powell's former home in Utah had animated images that depicted "incestuous" sex between parent and child, Pierce County authorities said, and a state official said the material prompted a judge to order Powell to undergo a psycho-sexual evaluation just days before he killed his children and himself.

 ::snipping2::

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/09/10366586-detective-josh-powell-computer-depicted-parent-child-sex

OMG, this case just gets more horrendously twisted!!   ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Yup. Not just incest images, but animated images   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: akmom on February 09, 2012, 11:17:10 PM
I want to know if those boys were taken to see a Dr ever??  I swear to God, if he weren't dead already, I would kill him myself.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 11:17:44 PM
APNewsBreak: Powell had 'incestuous' images

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Pierce County Sheriff's Detective Ed Troyer told The Associated Press on Thursday night that the images collected by investigators from Powell's home computer in Utah two years ago were realistic computer-generated depictions of "incestuous" parent-child relations.

"It's family-oriented in nature," Troyer said. "It is incestuous."

Troyer said the images couldn't be legally defined as pornography because they don't involve real people. Troyer said the judge in last week's custody hearing was apprised of the images at the proceeding.

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Chuck Cox, Susan Powell's father, said the images were just another indicator of problems with Josh Powell. Cox said he did not know the details of the images. He believed the kids should have been fully taken away from Powell long ago and that they raised concerns about allowing him continued contact.

"How much does it take for them to figure out that he should not have the children?" he said. "It's just wrong. They needed to be taken out of that environment."

http://mynorthwest.com/174/625381/APNewsBreak-Powell-had-incestuous-images


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 11:22:13 PM
Statement from Josh Powell's employer

The following is a statement from Josh Powell's employer:


First, our prayers and sympathies go out to the families, friends, and all those affected by this horrific event. There is not a caring person in the world that has heard the details and hasn’t been touched by sadness.

We understand the need for answers. However, we are not really a part of the story... Our company is very small and Josh Powell was simply one of our employees. He worked for us remotely from his home for less than a year, and there was not a lot of personal interaction. He was a hard worker and completed the tasks requested. We had no idea he was capable of anything like this, and of course, had anything occurred that raised our suspicion, we would have reported it to the police immediately.

Last Sunday afternoon, I received the same email that others had, it stated, “I’m sorry. Goodbye.” After I heard the news of what happened, I called 911 to report receiving the email.

I have cooperated fully with the investigation and will continue to do so.

I’ve told you everything I know. I wish there was something more that I could say to help understand this terrible tragedy. I am at a loss. We’re all at a loss.

— Ed Wadagnolo

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700223682/Statement-from-Josh-Powells-employer.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 11:26:46 PM
Concerns about Josh Powell dated back to 1990s .

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The records, part of his parents' divorce proceeding, show that Josh's mother worried about her son's potential for violence.

Terrica Powell wrote at the time that she "felt extreme fear when Josh made a threat with a butcher knife in his hand."

She also recalled how Josh killed baby hamsters by throwing them against the side of their cages.

And she said Josh's father, Steven Powell, "has totally stripped away all respect in Josh ... for fidelity in marriage and loyalty to one's spouse."

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Concerns-about-Josh-Powell-dated-back-to-1990s-139046924.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 11:53:29 PM
The Powell Tragedy: Reporting from Utah . Video

http://www.king5.com/news/local/The-Powell-Tragedy-Reporting-from-Utah-139063119.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 10, 2012, 12:09:45 AM
Concerns about Josh Powell dated back to 1990s .

 ::snipping2::

She also recalled how Josh killed baby hamsters by throwing them against the side of their cages.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Concerns-about-Josh-Powell-dated-back-to-1990s-139046924.html

Wow - he was a ticking time bomb just waiting to go off!

And....he had an enabling Mother who just did nothing, much like Anita van der Sloot.

IMO, if these Mothers truly loved their sons, they would have ensured their sons got the psychological help they so obviously needed, so they wouldn't end up being Jorans and Joshes, destroying everyone in their path with their horrendous actions.  These Mothers are spineless creatures who ARE responsible for their sons!

I could chew up a bag of 10 penny nails and spit out a barbed wire fence!!!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 10, 2012, 12:16:54 AM
Detective: Josh Powell computer depicted parent-child sex

SEATTLE -- A computer in Josh Powell's former home in Utah had animated images that depicted "incestuous" sex between parent and child, Pierce County authorities said, and a state official said the material prompted a judge to order Powell to undergo a psycho-sexual evaluation just days before he killed his children and himself.

Pierce County Sheriff's Detective Ed Troyer told The Associated Press on Thursday night that the images collected by investigators in Utah two years ago were realistic computer-generated depictions of "incestuous" parent-child relations.

The documents and images were recovered by police in West Valley, Utah, and sent to the Pierce County Sheriff's Department under a restrictive court order on Feb. 1, NBC station KING 5 reported. According to Washington's Department of Social and Health Services Public Affairs Senior Director Thomas Shapley, the material prompted the court to stop a process that likely would have returned Charlie, 7, and Braden, 5, to their father's custody.

Shapley said the material found on the computer was so disturbing that it prompted the state psychologist consulting in the custody case to change his opinion and recommend that the court prevent the return of the children.

 ::snipping2::

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/09/10366586-detective-josh-powell-computer-depicted-parent-child-sex

bbm in blue

Which discription is the correct one Det. Troyer?  ::MonkeyMad::

Quote


Pierce County Sheriff's Detective Ed Troyer said Thursday that the materials included nothing that could legally be defined as pornography, but animations of people having sex.

"There were some little cartoon characters and big cartoon characters," he said. "There was nothing that would have changed the judge's mind about custody or anything like that."

Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Grandparents-lawyer-didn-t-see-Powell-images-3216527.php#ixzz1lx7yY4GG


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 10, 2012, 12:37:05 AM
So many people scrambling to cover their own asses!

I wonder how accurate & sincere this really is...

Graves family planned to raise lost nephews, Charlie, Braden


By melinda Rogers

The Salt Lake Tribune
First published Feb 08 2012 07:21PM
Updated Feb 9, 2012 07:29AM

It was only a matter of time until Jennifer and Kirk Graves believed they would call Charlie and Braden Powell their own.

Shortly after the 2009 disappearance of the boys’ mother, Susan Cox Powell, the West Jordan couple took steps to become the adoptive parents of their nephews, with the blessing of the boys’ maternal grandparents, Chuck and Judy Cox.

The Graveses met with a family-law attorney to discuss procedures. They bought a 15-passenger van to accommodate a larger family. And they spoke to their own five children about new bedroom arrangements, preparing the kids for the arrival of their "brothers."

They visited the boys in Washington, most recently at Thanksgiving with the Coxes, where they bonded with the children. The encounters were encouraging to the Graveses, who in recent months believed their nephews — sullen and hurting while living with their father, Josh Powell — had finally started to blossom again after losing their mother and living in an unstable environment at their grandfather’s house, Kirk Graves said.

As the Graveses begin the long drive Thursday to Puyallup, Wash., to bury the 5- and 7-year-old nephews they expected to raise into adulthood, they won’t only mourn the children’s unthinkable murders plotted by Josh Powell, they will grieve the melded family they were ready to embrace but will never see.

"All our plans revolved around the eventuality of getting those boys," Jennifer Graves said during a Wednesday interview.

"We had talked with the Coxes. They would much rather be a grandparent than a parent," Kirk Graves added.

The couple praised the Coxes parenting efforts since taking custody of the boys from Josh Powell in September. The Coxes planned to take care of Charlie and Braden through what the family presumed would be Josh Powell’s eventual arrest and conviction for the murder of his missing wife, the Graveses said.

The families agreed that once the boys were in a good place emotionally, the Graveses were in a better position to raise them full-time.
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The Graveses continued to pour out grief over their lost nephews on Wednesday and compared Josh Powell’s behavior to that of his father, Steven Powell, who is in the Pierce County jail in Washington awaiting trial on voyeurism and child pornography charges.

Like his father, Josh Powell weathered a nasty divorce as a child, Kirk Graves said. Like his father, Josh Powell had problems with pornography and used his children as a tool to hurt other family members, he added.

"The mental history of both of them is not a history of mental illness, but of an inability to really function right within a relationship. They both didn’t do that well. Steve never killed his wife, but he did everything he could to make her life hell," Kirk Graves said.

" When it came down to the separation, Steve used the kids as a tool to hurt Terri [Josh’s mother] and everything else. Josh did the same thing, but it wasn’t with Susan, it was with anyone else. It is all about control. We keep saying that word, but it fits both of them very well. They just want control."

The Graveses said Wednesday they are confident Josh Powell killed his wife, perhaps because she planned to leave him and take the children away. They said he repeated his behavior when it appeared the Coxes would take full custody of Charlie and Braden.

The Graveses also offered a response to a statement issued by Powell’s aunt and uncle, Patti and Maurice Leach, which suggested Powell was a victim of bullying and an unfair portrayal in the media and on Internet sites, which led him to his breaking point.

"They blame it on a broken system. They blame the government, the government agencies, the police, the media. There is no one to blame here. The only one who is responsible for this is Josh," Jennifer Graves said. "I don’t care what kind of pressure you are under, you always have a choice. You don’t have to take someone else’s life."

She said she won’t attend her brother’s funeral, if a service is held. Although she spent a lifetime knowing Josh Powell, she said she can’t mourn his loss or focus on happier times from her brother’s life.

"The last two years have opened my eyes a lot to what he has become," Graves said. "After hearing the brutal manner that he killed his children, though, it’s really tough to feel any sorrow for him. It might come eventually.

"Right now, I am just disgusted that he would do this to his own children. To these two little boys that he professed to love."


~~~~~

My apologies if this was posted previously.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 10, 2012, 12:39:27 AM
Concerns about Josh Powell dated back to 1990s .

 ::snipping2::

The records, part of his parents' divorce proceeding, show that Josh's mother worried about her son's potential for violence.

Terrica Powell wrote at the time that she "felt extreme fear when Josh made a threat with a butcher knife in his hand."

She also recalled how Josh killed baby hamsters by throwing them against the side of their cages.

And she said Josh's father, Steven Powell, "has totally stripped away all respect in Josh ... for fidelity in marriage and loyalty to one's spouse."

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Concerns-about-Josh-Powell-dated-back-to-1990s-139046924.html

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If I ever threatened my momma with a knife... I would have lost my life at a very young age. She ruled with an iron pot holder!

I knew better than to pull a punk move like that. Physically I could take her.... but I like to sleep peacefully and keep my head

in its naturally nice round state. She wasn't abusive, but I knew she meant business and would flatten my head with a frying pan.

She drew THE LINE. I knew exactly where it was.

Josh should have been dealt with long ago. Little monsters just grow into big ones.

Dead hamsters eventually turn into dead human beings. We see it time and time again. It's like you could make a check list.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: BabsKats on February 10, 2012, 12:50:51 AM
Concerns about Josh Powell dated back to 1990s .

 ::snipping2::

The records, part of his parents' divorce proceeding, show that Josh's mother worried about her son's potential for violence.

Terrica Powell wrote at the time that she "felt extreme fear when Josh made a threat with a butcher knife in his hand."

She also recalled how Josh killed baby hamsters by throwing them against the side of their cages.

And she said Josh's father, Steven Powell, "has totally stripped away all respect in Josh ... for fidelity in marriage and loyalty to one's spouse."

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Concerns-about-Josh-Powell-dated-back-to-1990s-139046924.html

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If I ever threatened my momma with a knife... I would have lost my life at a very young age. She ruled with an iron pot holder!

I knew better than to pull a punk move like that. Physically I could take her.... but I like to sleep peacefully and keep my head

in its naturally nice round state. She wasn't abusive, but I knew she meant business and would flatten my head with a frying pan.

She drew THE LINE. I knew exactly where it was.

Josh should have been dealt with long ago. Little monsters just grow into big ones.

Dead hamsters eventually turn into dead human beings. We see it time and time again. It's like you could make a check list.
Once again Carpe a fantastic post!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Green Eyes on February 10, 2012, 12:54:07 AM
Concerns about Josh Powell dated back to 1990s .

 ::snipping2::

The records, part of his parents' divorce proceeding, show that Josh's mother worried about her son's potential for violence.

Terrica Powell wrote at the time that she "felt extreme fear when Josh made a threat with a butcher knife in his hand."

She also recalled how Josh killed baby hamsters by throwing them against the side of their cages.

And she said Josh's father, Steven Powell, "has totally stripped away all respect in Josh ... for fidelity in marriage and loyalty to one's spouse."

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Concerns-about-Josh-Powell-dated-back-to-1990s-139046924.html

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If I ever threatened my momma with a knife... I would have lost my life at a very young age. She ruled with an iron pot holder!

I knew better than to pull a punk move like that. Physically I could take her.... but I like to sleep peacefully and keep my head

in its naturally nice round state. She wasn't abusive, but I knew she meant business and would flatten my head with a frying pan.

She drew THE LINE. I knew exactly where it was.

Josh should have been dealt with long ago. Little monsters just grow into big ones.

Dead hamsters eventually turn into dead human beings. We see it time and time again. It's like you could make a check list.
Once again Carpe a fantastic post!
::rhino::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 10, 2012, 06:22:35 AM
Concerns about Josh Powell dated back to 1990s .

 ::snipping2::

The records, part of his parents' divorce proceeding, show that Josh's mother worried about her son's potential for violence.

Terrica Powell wrote at the time that she "felt extreme fear when Josh made a threat with a butcher knife in his hand."

She also recalled how Josh killed baby hamsters by throwing them against the side of their cages.

And she said Josh's father, Steven Powell, "has totally stripped away all respect in Josh ... for fidelity in marriage and loyalty to one's spouse."

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Concerns-about-Josh-Powell-dated-back-to-1990s-139046924.html

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If I ever threatened my momma with a knife... I would have lost my life at a very young age. She ruled with an iron pot holder!

I knew better than to pull a punk move like that. Physically I could take her.... but I like to sleep peacefully and keep my head

in its naturally nice round state. She wasn't abusive, but I knew she meant business and would flatten my head with a frying pan.

She drew THE LINE. I knew exactly where it was.

Josh should have been dealt with long ago. Little monsters just grow into big ones.

Dead hamsters eventually turn into dead human beings. We see it time and time again. It's like you could make a check list.
Right on Carpe.Great post.  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 10, 2012, 06:28:27 AM
http://columbustelegram.com/news/national/social-worker-recounts-minutes-before-powell-fire/article_3541a11b-fbfd-5648-b88e-d37ff3394684.html
Social worker recounts minutes before Powell fire
Associated Press | Posted: Friday, February 10, 2012 3:09 am

Josh Powell told his 7-year-old son he had a "surprise" for him moments before attacking and killing him and his 5-year-old brother, according to the state social worker who was supposed to supervise a visit between Powell and his sons.

In an interview to air Friday on ABC's "20/20," Elizabeth Griffin-Hall said that Powell slammed the door on her after the children were inside the house on Sunday. Hall said she banged on the door and heard Powell tell his son Charlie: "I've got a big surprise for you."

She also heard Braden, Charlie's younger brother, crying.
 ::snipping2::

 ::snipping2::
On Sunday, the social worker drove the boys from their maternal grandparents' home to their father's house outside Puyallup, about 35 miles from Seattle. Josh Powell lost custody of the boys last fall, after his father, with whom they lived, was arrested in a child pornography and voyeurism investigation.

Griffin-Hall said Charlie and Braden loved being with their father.

"One of them said what he wanted to do was go home and live with his daddy," she told ABC, adding that the boys would "light up" during visits with Josh Powell.

After Powell locked her out of the house, Griffin-Hall called 911 and her supervisor. Logs show deputies weren't dispatched until eight minutes after Griffin-Hall's initial contact with authorities, though police say any delay would not have stopped what ultimately happened to the boys.

The 911 dispatcher's handling of that call has been criticized, and an investigation has been launched into the emergency response.

The social worker said she told her boss "something terrible is happening here, and I was on the phone with ... when the house exploded.

"I wanted to get to the kids," she said. "I wanted to get to the kids. I would have broken in if I could."

But Griffin-Hall told ABC she doesn't think she could have saved them.

"How this happened is that Josh Powell was really, really evil. I couldn't have stopped him," she said. "I did everything I was supposed to do. I did everything right and the boys are still dead."

She said she loved the boys and was like a "grandma" to them.

"They are not going to grow up," Griffin-Hall said. "The world lost two beautiful boys to a monster."





Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: theboyzmom on February 10, 2012, 07:08:32 AM
Concerns about Josh Powell dated back to 1990s .

 ::snipping2::

The records, part of his parents' divorce proceeding, show that Josh's mother worried about her son's potential for violence.

Terrica Powell wrote at the time that she "felt extreme fear when Josh made a threat with a butcher knife in his hand."

She also recalled how Josh killed baby hamsters by throwing them against the side of their cages.

And she said Josh's father, Steven Powell, "has totally stripped away all respect in Josh ... for fidelity in marriage and loyalty to one's spouse."

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Concerns-about-Josh-Powell-dated-back-to-1990s-139046924.html

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If I ever threatened my momma with a knife... I would have lost my life at a very young age. She ruled with an iron pot holder!

I knew better than to pull a punk move like that. Physically I could take her.... but I like to sleep peacefully and keep my head

in its naturally nice round state. She wasn't abusive, but I knew she meant business and would flatten my head with a frying pan.

She drew THE LINE. I knew exactly where it was.

Josh should have been dealt with long ago. Little monsters just grow into big ones.

Dead hamsters eventually turn into dead human beings. We see it time and time again. It's like you could make a check list.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 10, 2012, 07:58:10 AM
Detective: Josh Powell computer depicted parent-child sex

SEATTLE -- A computer in Josh Powell's former home in Utah had animated images that depicted "incestuous" sex between parent and child, Pierce County authorities said, and a state official said the material prompted a judge to order Powell to undergo a psycho-sexual evaluation just days before he killed his children and himself.

 ::snipping2::

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/09/10366586-detective-josh-powell-computer-depicted-parent-child-sex

OMG, this case just gets more horrendously twisted!!   ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

 ::rhino::
My question is, why didn't the court force the cops to look at his computer sooner when he lost custody of the children...? Especially since he was the prime suspect in Susan's murder/disappearance.
And who in the h*ll goes camping at midnight when it's what 20/30 out?
 ::MonkeyHang::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 10, 2012, 08:27:27 AM
Detective: Josh Powell computer depicted parent-child sex

SEATTLE -- A computer in Josh Powell's former home in Utah had animated images that depicted "incestuous" sex between parent and child, Pierce County authorities said, and a state official said the material prompted a judge to order Powell to undergo a psycho-sexual evaluation just days before he killed his children and himself.

 ::snipping2::

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/09/10366586-detective-josh-powell-computer-depicted-parent-child-sex

OMG, this case just gets more horrendously twisted!!   ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

 ::rhino::
My question is, why didn't the court force the cops to look at his computer sooner when he lost custody of the children...? Especially since he was the prime suspect in Susan's murder/disappearance.
And who in the h*ll goes camping at midnight when it's what 20/30 out?
 ::MonkeyHang::


Seems to me, there are a lot of things that need 'splaining!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 10, 2012, 08:32:41 AM

If I ever threatened my momma with a knife... I would have lost my life at a very young age. She ruled with an iron pot holder!

I knew better than to pull a punk move like that. Physically I could take her.... but I like to sleep peacefully and keep my head

in its naturally nice round state. She wasn't abusive, but I knew she meant business and would flatten my head with a frying pan.

She drew THE LINE. I knew exactly where it was.

Josh should have been dealt with long ago. Little monsters just grow into big ones.

Dead hamsters eventually turn into dead human beings. We see it time and time again. It's like you could make a check list.

ITA!  Whatever happened to love and respect?  We'd have had our block knocked off if we acted like Josh. Josh learned at the feet of his sicko father, but his mother enabled him.

Shades of Joran, Paulus & Anita.




Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 10, 2012, 11:15:44 AM
Surveillance Photo Shows Powell At Bank On Eve Of Deadly Fire

(http://khq.images.worldnow.com/images/16907273_BG1.jpg)

SEATTLE, Wash. - A surveillance camera photo that shows Josh Powell at his bank the day before he killed his two sons and himself was released Friday.

The image, which is the last known photo of Powell alive, was taken at a Pierce County Bank of America at 11:19 a.m. Saturday, Feb. 4. About 25 hours later Powell would fill his Graham house with gas and attack his two sons with an ax before blowing up the residence.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.khq.com/story/16907273/chill


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 10, 2012, 11:18:06 AM
Either go to funeral to celebrate Powell boys' lives or stay home

If, on Saturday, you plan to celebrate the lives of Charlie and Braden Powell at their memorial service, please, come and be welcome.
If you plan to protest a few hate group members who have said they’re coming in from Kansas, please, reconsider.
Chuck and Judy Cox, the boys’ grandparents, ask this of you. The Rev. Dean Curry, pastor of Life Center church, asks this of you. He has volunteered the sanctuary at 1717 S. Union Ave., for the 11 a.m. service.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/09/2019907/either-go-to-funeral-to-celebrate.html?storylink=mrc


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 10, 2012, 11:24:28 AM
Video: Police work on timeline in Powell case

http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/video-police-work-on-timeline-in-powell-case/vF3Td/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 10, 2012, 11:25:54 AM
Funeral to be carried on KIRO 7.2, kirotv.com

KIRO 7 Eyewitness News will provide live coverage of the funeral for Charlie and Braden Powell on Saturday.

The funeral begins at 11 a.m. at Life Center Church, 1717 S. Union Ave. Tacoma.

Watch coverage beginning at 10:30 a.m. on KIRO 7's digital channel, 7.2 -- on Comcast channel 117 -- or here on kirotv.com.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/funeral-be-carried-kiro-72-kirotvcom/nHZLT/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 10, 2012, 11:30:18 AM
Susan's best friend reacts to boys' deaths .

SALT LAKE CITY -- Many people in Salt Lake City came to know and love Charlie and Braden Powell when they lived there as toddlers.  Their murders have deepen the sense of loss that Salt Lake City has endured for over two years since the boys' mother disappeared.

Looking back, Kiirsi Hellewell wonders how she and Susan Powell became so close, they were so different.

 ::snipping2::

And it was pretty when Susan and her husband Josh and their son moved into the neighborhood.  The families became fast friends, but when Susan got pregnant agan, Josh changed. 
 
“He had a really weird thing thing about germs…wouldn’t touch her...go near her,” said Hellewell.  "She kept a lot of it from her parents."
 
They appeared happy, but Hellewell says over the next four years Josh grew cold, angry and emotionally abusive.  Susan’s pretty world was growing dark.

 ::snipping2::

“Everytime, I see their faces, I see Susan in them, sweet and innocent...they did not deserve that,” said Hellewell.
 
Hellewell plans to attend the boys' funeral on Saturday and after that she plans on rededicating herself to finding her missing friend.  She says she has no doubt Josh killed his wife and knows this won't be over until Susan is buried with her sons.

http://www.king5.com/home/Powell-139074544.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Babybear on February 10, 2012, 11:55:54 AM
Lawmaker: 'Red flags' were there throughout Josh Powell's life

 ::snipping2::

Court documents reveal Powell had a troubled adolescence filled with tension and violence. Longtime friends cite examples of behavior called both callous and selfish. Interviews and evidence gathered following the disappearance of his wife pointed to bizarre actions. And most recently, an "alert" sent to the Washington courts from authorities in Utah citing pornographic material found in his home have lawmakers and others asking why Powell was allowed near his children.

 ::snipping2::

The Troubling questions and search for understanding has put the focus on Josh Powell and his father, Steven. Trouble appeared long before Josh ever met Susan Cox.

It was in Nov. 1992, when Powell was 16, that his mother expressed concerns about her sons and what she felt they were learning from her Steven Powell, her husband.

"To see them becoming so hardened toward others and scornful of law and order is very frightening to me," Terrica Powell wrote in a court declaration. "I feel that they are being victimized by Steve's distorted teachings. I am hoping that they will be able to receive the kind of help they need in time to prevent them from destroying their lives, or others' lives around them."

The disturbing details of Josh Powell's adolescence can be found in close to 200 pages of court documents filed as part of a divorce proceeding. They include threats he allegedly made to his mother with a butcher knife,  and his killing of a pet hamster. Terrica Powell wrote numerous times about Josh Powell, who apparently followed his father's lead in harassing and abusing their mother, according to the documents.

"With the kind of disrespect the kids have learned to have regarding laws, I worry about what they will do," Terrica Powell wrote. "It seems like there is a sickness pervading my family and I have been powerless to stop it."

 ::snipping2::

Terrica Powell said many of her son's issues at the time might have stemmed from a turbulent relationship with his father. Steven Powell would "pointedly attack" Josh Powell, she stated in the documents.

"I think that much of Josh's difficulties through the years has stemmed from not knowing where the boundaries are — what are the limits of acceptable behavior," she said .

 ::snipping2::

Rachel Marini, who knew Josh Powell before he married Susan Cox, said she and her husband, Tim, became good friends with the couple in Washington. But she eventually started to take issue with the way Josh Powell treated his wife.

"Every restaurant we ate at, Susan could have one thing from the dollar menu, but he could have whatever he wanted," Marini said, recalling a road trip the group took. "He just had to be in control of every situation and the one who called all of the shots."

Marini said she was also concerned about the callousness with which he treated his children. He wouldn't extend his hand to keep a young Charlie from falling down the stairs, instead calling Susan Cox Powell in from another room to help the child. At one point, the boy appeared malnourished because Josh Powell said he wasn't "wasting his table food" on the child.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705399102/Lawmaker-Red-flags-were-there-throughout-Josh-Powells-life.html?pg=1

I don't mean to be critical of Ms. Marini and after the fact it's easy to say what one would have done in the situation, but I truly believe if I were friends with someone who had a child who appeared malnourished and the father said he didn't want to waste food on the child, I'd call the police.  And if that didn't work I'd have my attorney see if there would be any legal step I could take to force government agencies to do their duty. There's a lot I don't understand about many people involved in this tragedy but Susan was a grown up, a mother, a stockbroker, and she allowed Josh to dictate the $1.00 meal?  I know for sure that if my husband did that (And of course he wouldn't.  He was the kindest man I ever knew.) I would have said, "Honey you have the dollar meal if you want someone to have it, I'm having the steak."  It is my belief that in many cases you can be a victim only if you agree to be a victim.  This doesn't apply to children, of course.  But children are victims only if an adult allows it.  Last night on Nancy Grace someone said that Josh forced Susan to grow their own food and she wasn't allowed to buy anything.  "Forced?"  How do you force someone to do anything, short of putting a gun to their head?  And if he did put a gun to her head, there are remedies for that in the law.

Susan is dead through no fault of her own, but I wish women like her would wake up and understand that they are not chattels of their husbands but they are equal in every way and entitled to make their own decisions and refused to be "Allowed" to do anything. They are free to do it or not as they wish.

Josh Powell was evil through and through and everyone knew it.  He is the guilty party here and no one else.  Everyone knew it.  Everyone.  Why was nothing done to help Susan and her children?

I'm just really sick and tired of children being hurt and killed at the hands of some monster and a lot of people knew what could happen and no one doing anything about it.  Too late now.




Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 10, 2012, 12:28:30 PM
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/296709/20120210/anonymous-hacks-westboro-baptist-church-lulzfinancial-powell.htm
Anonymous Group LulzFinancial Hacks Westboro Baptist Church Over Powell Funeral
By Melanie Jones: Subscribe to Melanie's RSS feed
February 10, 2012 11:40 AM EST

An off-shoot of "hacktivist group" Anonymous went after Westboro Baptist Church on Thursday after the controversial congregation announced that it would picket the funeral of Charlie and Braden Powell, the two boys murdered by father Josh Powell earlier this week.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 10, 2012, 12:34:17 PM
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Westboro-Baptist-Church-may-not-protest-Powell-funeral-139096364.html
Honor Powell kids or don't come to funeral, grandparents say
by KING 5 News
Posted on February 10, 2012 at 8:58 AM
Updated today at 9:11 AM


SEATTLE – The anti-gay church group that threatened to protest at the funeral of Charlie and Braden Powell Saturday may not be coming after all. The possible turn of events comes after more than 1,800 people vowed on Facebook to block the protest, along with Occupy Seattle.

Whether the Westboro Baptist Church shows up or not, the boys’ grandparents have a message for everyone: Come to honor Charlie and Braden or don’t come at all.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 10, 2012, 01:44:46 PM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/02/josh-powell-murder-suicide-young-sons.html
'Josh Powell was really, really evil,' social worker says
February 10, 2012

(http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef016301254731970d-600wi)

 ::snipping2::
With law enforcement officials and the court system facing allegations that they failed to recognize the danger that Powell posed to his children, Charlie, 7, and Braden, 5, the case continues to unfold on several fronts:

--Disturbing new details have emerged about "incestuous" sexual drawings discovered on Powell's computer, dating back to when he still lived in Utah, before moving to Washington state, according to the Associated Press.

The images led a court-appointed psychologist to call for Powell to submit to a psycho-sexual evaluation and a polygraph test, tests that a judge approved last week when denying Powell's request to regain full custody of his children. Powell was said to be devastated by the judge's ruling, and it may have been the trigger for his deadly actions.

The discovery of the disturbing images, however, was not made known to all the parties in the case, including the attorney for the children's maternal grandparents, who could have used the images as grounds to bar Powell from having any access to the boys.

--The investigation into Susan Powell's disappearance is taking on new urgency and led authorities this week to rope off a portion of a recycling center in Graham, Wash. They were following up on a tip that Josh Powell had discarded some paper there shortly before he set his home on fire, the News Tribune of Tacoma reported.

Authorities in Utah have also reported a new flood of tips coming in about Susan Powell's disappearance.

--Washington state Sen. Pam Roach told the Salt Lake City Tribune it was "outrageous" for a judge to give Powell visitation with his sons, and wants to know precisely what the Washington agency in charge of child welfare knew and when officials knew it. She has sent a public records request to Washington's Department of Social and Health Services.

"This material should be made public," she told the newspaper. Her district includes the Graham, Wash., home where Powell killed the children.

--The case worker who was escorting the children for a court-mandated supervised visit with their father said that Powell coaxed the children into the house on Sunday by saying "I've got a big surprise for you!" and then slammed the door on her to keep her from entering.

The worker, Elizabeth Griffin-Hall, told ABC News about those final, frightening moments -- and her realization that Powell was setting the house on fire with all inside. "How this happened is that Josh Powell was really, really evil. I couldn't have stopped him," she said.

--In a bid to understand what may have been driving Josh Powell long before Sunday's inferno, the Salt Lake City Tribune unearthed Washington state records relating to the bitter divorce of Powell's parents. The documents portray a dysfunctional family ruled by father Stephen Powell, who allegedly abused his wife and children -- emotionally, physically and verbally -- and whose penchant for porn contributed to his divorce. The documents also portray Josh Powell as an emotionally disturbed teen who killed family pets, threatened his mother with a butcher knife and attempted suicide.

--Finally, Chuck and Judy Cox, the parents of Susan Powell and the grandparents of the boys killed in the fire, are pleading with protesters and counter-protesters to stay away from Saturday's scheduled funeral for the boys.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 10, 2012, 01:51:01 PM
Video: Police work on timeline in Powell case

http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/video-police-work-on-timeline-in-powell-case/vF3Td/

Jmo, I wouldn't be surprised if the $7000.00 went up in flames at the house.
Might not of wanted anyone to have anything of his.    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 10, 2012, 02:01:48 PM
Video: Police work on timeline in Powell case

http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/video-police-work-on-timeline-in-powell-case/vF3Td/

Jmo, I wouldn't be surprised if the $7000.00 went up in flames at the house.
Might not of wanted anyone to have anything of his.    ::MonkeyEek::

I thought that, too.  I just can't imagine him giving a flip whether his utilities were paid or not.   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 10, 2012, 02:23:26 PM
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700223934/Susan-Powells-father-interview-I-didnt-know-about-son-in-laws-porn.html
Susan Powell’s father interview: I didn’t know about son-in-law’s porn
Published: Friday, Feb. 10, 2012 11:24 a.m

 ::snipping2::
Speaking with Lester Holt just after TODAY aired a report on the pornography investigation, Cox said it was the first time he’d heard about it. At a court hearing last week, Powell was ordered to undergo a psychosexual evaluation, but the Cox family and its attorneys were not aware of the root cause.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 10, 2012, 03:00:00 PM

Anti-gay church cancels protest at Powell boys' funeral


A rabidly anti-gay church has canceled its plans to picket Saturday's funeral for the two sons of missing mom Susan Powell, who died in a raging house fire Sunday.

Fred Phelps Jr., founder of the Topeka, Kan.-based Westboro Baptist Church, sent out a tweet Friday morning saying the hate group had canceled the protest after getting an interview on a syndicated radio show.

"Just finished interview with @BobbyDshow. Bobby D. was a real gentleman. Washington trip now cancelled," Phelps' tweet said. Margie Phelps of the Westboro church group later sent out another tweet confirming the cancellation.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/Anti-gay-church-cancels-protest-at-Powell-boys-3241871.php


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 10, 2012, 03:02:06 PM
Schram: Utah police share the blame for Powell boys' deaths

The sadness, grief and anger that have gripped so many over the deaths of Charlie and Braden Powell has also led to frustration about how things seemed to spiral out of everyone's control.

From the 911 dispatcher who was so condescending while talking with the social worker taking the two boys for a regular visit with their father, to the judgment of DSHS in allowing those visits to take place in Josh Powell’s home, to the judge that inexplicably kept the visitation schedule intact.

These are all questions born of hindsight that have no easy or immediate answers.

But I am left to wonder why Utah authorities have escaped any real criticism and scrutiny.

Late last summer Utah police determined that Susan Powell had been murdered.

That information was never provided to authorities here.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.komonews.com/opinion/kenschram/Schram-Utah-police-share-the-blame-for-Powell-boys-deaths-139104634.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 10, 2012, 03:06:25 PM
Steve Powell may not attend his grandsons’ funeral

As family and friends of Charlie and Braden Powell prepare for Saturday funeral services, there is one family member who is not expected to attend.

The children’s paternal grandfather, Steve Powell, has not been granted a transport from the Pierce County Jail to attend the funeral, said Pierce County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Ed Troyer Friday morning. Steve Powell, 61, is being held in the Pierce County jail awaiting trial on counts of voyeurism and child pornography.

The Powell boys, ages 7 and 5, died Sunday at the hand of their father, Josh Powell, who attacked them with a hatchet and then set a fire in his home which killed all three. A funeral service for the boys will be held on Saturday at 11 a.m. at Life Center Church, 1717 S. Union Ave. Tacoma, Wash. A private family interment will follow at Woodbine Cemetery in Puyallup on Monday.

Criminal defendants are able to ask a judge to attend funerals of family members, but a judge must grant such requests. Troyer said as of Friday morning, there were no transport orders on file for Steve Powell at the jail.

 ::snipping2::

http://**/sltrib/news/53489043-78/powell-steve-family-susan.html.csp


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 10, 2012, 03:08:08 PM
Susan Powell's friend: Josh Powell threatened loss of his kids would be over his dead body

Friends and family of missing woman Susan Powell and her late sons Charles and Braden reportedly had some new information to share in interviews with Dr. Phil McGraw on a show that will air on Friday.
In an appearance on 97.3 KIRO FM Seattle's Morning News, McGraw said Kiirsi Hellewell, Susan Powell's best friend in Utah, said Susan had told her of threats Josh had made that now appear to be an eerie foreshadowing of what actually occurred.

"Two years ago, Susan told her best friend Kiirsi who is on the show, that he [Josh Powell] told her then, when they were having trouble, that if he ever lost his children, it would be over his dead body," said McGraw. "That has come to such a tragic reality."

McGraw also spoke to Susan Powell's parents, Chuck and Judy Cox.

 ::snipping2::

http://mynorthwest.com/11/625771/Susan-Powells-friend-Josh-Powell-threatened-loss-of-his-kids-would-be-over-his-dead-body


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 10, 2012, 03:53:19 PM
I can see why the authorities picked the word disturbing to use, when referring to the incestuous drawings found on the computer.

That's just a whole bowl full of SAD, isn't it?

Hey, look at the funny stick man, wooohooo! ::bananadance:: C'mon man. The dude had some real problems.

He shouldn't have been allowed to even see Charlie and Braden, after that discovery. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 10, 2012, 04:08:35 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/KevinKIRO (https://twitter.com/#!/KevinKIRO)

Kevin McCarty @KevinKIRO

Source: Gas station surveillance video showing someone filling gas cans not #JoshPowell. #FindSusan

Kevin McCarty @KevinKIRO

 

Search of #JoshPowell storage also yields family photos. No specifics on what those show in the return. #FindSusan
5m Kevin McCarty Kevin McCarty @KevinKIRO

   

Search of #JoshPowell storages unit recovers toys and kids clothes. Stained comforter to undergo tests #FindSusan (http://pic.twitter.com/RAcHav00)



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 10, 2012, 04:10:39 PM
Father-in-law dragged deeper into Powell saga

OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - In a folder on his work computer labeled "Personal Pics," Steve Powell maintained a peculiar collection of photos: 55 depicting his daughter-in-law Susan but few if any showing his son.

Thousands of images and emails on his Washington state government-issued laptop provide a small glimpse into his increasingly scrutinized world. Authorities said this week that he is a person of interest in her 2009 disappearance in Utah.

The files, obtained by The Associated Press as part of a public records request, portray Steve Powell as a meticulous worker who gathered photos by the thousands and had his life upended by the constant inquiries that ensued after Susan vanished.

He is now in jail on voyeurism and child pornography charges - and on suicide watch.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.valleynewslive.com/story/16909661/father-in-law-dragged-deeper-into-powell-saga


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 10, 2012, 04:13:43 PM
komonews.com @komonews
 Police have found a stained comforter in Josh Powell's storage unit that will be tested for blood - details to come ...

https://twitter.com/#!/komonews (https://twitter.com/#!/komonews)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 10, 2012, 04:19:08 PM
Comforter, kids’ toys and clothes found in Powell storage unit

Pierce County sheriff’s investigators took a soiled comforter for a “presumptive test” from a storage unit rented by Josh Powell.

They also found kids’ blocks, toys and clothes in the storage bin, according to a search warrant returned this afternoon.

The kids items were returned to the Cox family. Meanwhile, the gray-blue-pink comforter will be sent for testing.

 ::snipping2::

Detectives have been retracing Powell’s movements and conducting related searches in the days since. Powell went to the Sumner storage shed the day before the house fire, the search warrant states.

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/10/comforter-kids-toys-and-clothes-found-in-powell-storage-unit/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 10, 2012, 04:19:27 PM
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700223934/Susan-Powells-father-interview-I-didnt-know-about-son-in-laws-porn.html
Susan Powell’s father interview: I didn’t know about son-in-law’s porn
Published: Friday, Feb. 10, 2012 11:24 a.m

 ::snipping2::
Speaking with Lester Holt just after TODAY aired a report on the pornography investigation, Cox said it was the first time he’d heard about it. At a court hearing last week, Powell was ordered to undergo a psychosexual evaluation, but the Cox family and its attorneys were not aware of the root cause.
 ::snipping2::

Weren't they aware of Josh & the boys living with his father, and what his father was charged with when he went to jail?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 10, 2012, 04:21:29 PM
Search warrant.  Can someone please do a screen grab of this and post?

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2012/02/10/DocumentView.cfm.pdf


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 10, 2012, 04:23:48 PM
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700223934/Susan-Powells-father-interview-I-didnt-know-about-son-in-laws-porn.html
Susan Powell’s father interview: I didn’t know about son-in-law’s porn
Published: Friday, Feb. 10, 2012 11:24 a.m

 ::snipping2::
Speaking with Lester Holt just after TODAY aired a report on the pornography investigation, Cox said it was the first time he’d heard about it. At a court hearing last week, Powell was ordered to undergo a psychosexual evaluation, but the Cox family and its attorneys were not aware of the root cause.
 ::snipping2::

Weren't they aware of Josh & the boys living with his father, and what his father was charged with when he went to jail?

I believe they are referring to the incest animation that was found on Josh's PC from Utah that the Judge in Utah sealed until the court hearing on Weds when they sent the Judge the info which spured the psychosexual evaluation.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 10, 2012, 04:25:53 PM
Comforter found at Powell storage unit to be tested

GRAHAM, Wash. —
A copy of a search warrant served on a storage unit rented by Joshua Powell shows detectives recovered several bags with children's toys, and a comforter with a stain that will undergo "presumptive testing."

 ::snipping2::

The return lists several items including a plastic bin with toys, a blue, yellow and green box with toy blocks, white garbage bags with linens and children's clothing, and a grey, blue and pink comforter.

Investigators told KIRO 7's Kevin McCarty they're focusing on the comforter because of an unidentified stain. At this point it is not known if any of the items will be useful in the murder investigation of Powell's wife, Susan Cox Powell, who disappeared from the couple's home in West Valley City, Utah, in December 2009.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/comforter-found-powell-storage-unit-be-tested/nHZZJ/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 10, 2012, 04:27:02 PM
Video: Police work on timeline in Powell case

http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/video-police-work-on-timeline-in-powell-case/vF3Td/

Jmo, I wouldn't be surprised if the $7000.00 went up in flames at the house.
Might not of wanted anyone to have anything of his.    ::MonkeyEek::

I thought that, too.  I just can't imagine him giving a flip whether his utilities were paid or not.   ::CowboySmiley::

He paid the electric/gas right?  I thought that was said.
Maybe it was about to be turned off.
JMO..he wanted it on, so it would make a bigger boom.burn faster.
 ::MonkeyMad:: 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 10, 2012, 04:39:27 PM
Search warrant.  Can someone please do a screen grab of this and post?

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2012/02/10/DocumentView.cfm.pdf

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/PowellSearchWarrant1.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/PowellSearchWarrant2.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/PowellSearchWarrant3.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/PowellSearchWarrant4.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/PowellSearchWarrant5.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/PowellSearchWarrant6.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/PowellSearchWarrant7.jpg)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 10, 2012, 04:41:03 PM
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700223934/Susan-Powells-father-interview-I-didnt-know-about-son-in-laws-porn.html
Susan Powell’s father interview: I didn’t know about son-in-law’s porn
Published: Friday, Feb. 10, 2012 11:24 a.m

 ::snipping2::
Speaking with Lester Holt just after TODAY aired a report on the pornography investigation, Cox said it was the first time he’d heard about it. At a court hearing last week, Powell was ordered to undergo a psychosexual evaluation, but the Cox family and its attorneys were not aware of the root cause.
 ::snipping2::



Weren't they aware of Josh & the boys living with his father, and what his father was charged with when he went to jail?

I believe they are referring to the incest animation that was found on Josh's PC from Utah that the Judge in Utah sealed until the court hearing on Weds when they sent the Judge the info which spured the psychosexual evaluation.

I'm still confused a bit over this.  Josh was living with his father when the porn was found on Josh's computer.  I'm aware that Josh's father had a company or state issued computer on which the porn that he is awaiting trial on was found, but did Josh's father have access to Josh's computer too?  Isn't that part of why Josh lost custody in 2011? 

Did Josh and his father have an incestuous relationship when Josh was younger?  If father was into child parent incest, it wouldn't be surprising for Josh to be suspect of furthering that into incest with his own sons.

What am I missing here?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 10, 2012, 04:50:28 PM
Comforter found at Powell storage unit to be tested

GRAHAM, Wash. —
A copy of a search warrant served on a storage unit rented by Joshua Powell shows detectives recovered several bags with children's toys, and a comforter with a stain that will undergo "presumptive testing."

 ::snipping2::

The return lists several items including a plastic bin with toys, a blue, yellow and green box with toy blocks, white garbage bags with linens and children's clothing, and a grey, blue and pink comforter.

Investigators told KIRO 7's Kevin McCarty they're focusing on the comforter because of an unidentified stain. At this point it is not known if any of the items will be useful in the murder investigation of Powell's wife, Susan Cox Powell, who disappeared from the couple's home in West Valley City, Utah, in December 2009.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/comforter-found-powell-storage-unit-be-tested/nHZZJ/

Wasn't a comforter from the master bedroom missing when Susan was reported missing? 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 10, 2012, 04:51:28 PM
http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-blood-found-on-comforter-in-powells-storage-unit-20120210,0,4871467.story
Blood found on comforter in Powell's storage unit
Investigators will conduct a test to determine the source of the blood
Web reporter Q13 FOX News Online
1:33 p.m. PST, February 10, 2012

SUMNER —
A search of Josh Powell’s storage unit has uncovered a comforter that has initially tested positive for blood. Investigators will conduct further testing to determine the source of the blood.

Friday, Pierce County deputies searched a storage unit that Powell had leased. In addition to the comforter they found a plastic bin, some children’s toys and clothing, and framed photographs.

Items that were not being tested or held for investigation were returned to the Cox family.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 10, 2012, 04:55:10 PM
Video: Police work on timeline in Powell case

http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/video-police-work-on-timeline-in-powell-case/vF3Td/

Jmo, I wouldn't be surprised if the $7000.00 went up in flames at the house.
Might not of wanted anyone to have anything of his.    ::MonkeyEek::

I thought that, too.  I just can't imagine him giving a flip whether his utilities were paid or not.   ::CowboySmiley::

He paid the electric/gas right?  I thought that was said.
Maybe it was about to be turned off.
JMO..he wanted it on, so it would make a bigger boom.burn faster.
 ::MonkeyMad:: 


Phar,

I think this is what I was remembering:

Quote
Alina Powell told the dispatcher, who recognized Josh Powell's name, that there had been "a lot of abuse" against her brother and that the "abuse is extremely difficult."

She said she received several emails, possibly some starting before Sunday, about how to pay for his property and utilities. She said they "started awhile ago" and she didn't think anything much of them.
BBM

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=19146682 (http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=19146682)

But $7,000 is a big utility bill even in Washington State. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cadillac on February 10, 2012, 04:56:08 PM
Dr. Phil about to come on about the Powell story.   I am on CST.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 10, 2012, 05:12:23 PM
Video: Police work on timeline in Powell case

http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/video-police-work-on-timeline-in-powell-case/vF3Td/

Jmo, I wouldn't be surprised if the $7000.00 went up in flames at the house.
Might not of wanted anyone to have anything of his.    ::MonkeyEek::

I thought that, too.  I just can't imagine him giving a flip whether his utilities were paid or not.   ::CowboySmiley::

He paid the electric/gas right?  I thought that was said.
Maybe it was about to be turned off.
JMO..he wanted it on, so it would make a bigger boom.burn faster.
 ::MonkeyMad:: 


Phar,

I think this is what I was remembering:

Quote
Alina Powell told the dispatcher, who recognized Josh Powell's name, that there had been "a lot of abuse" against her brother and that the "abuse is extremely difficult."

She said she received several emails, possibly some starting before Sunday, about how to pay for his property and utilities. She said they "started awhile ago" and she didn't think anything much of them.
BBM

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=19146682 (http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=19146682)

But $7,000 is a big utility bill even in Washington State. 

Thanks...mt brain is going in circles... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 10, 2012, 05:16:34 PM
One of those things that makes us go  ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyEek:: and  ::MonkeyNoNo::
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57374907/powell-father-kept-dozens-of-pics-of-sons-wife/
Powell father kept dozens of pics of son's wife
February 10, 2012

(CBS/AP)

OLYMPIA, Wash. - In a folder on his work computer labeled "Personal Pics," Steve Powell maintained a peculiar collection of photos: 55 depicting his daughter-in-law Susan but few if any showing his son.


Thousands of images and emails on his Washington state government-issued laptop provide a small glimpse into his increasingly scrutinized world. Authorities said this week that he is a person of interest in her 2009 disappearance in Utah.

The files, obtained by The Associated Press as part of a public records request, portray Steve Powell as a meticulous worker who gathered photos by the thousands and had his life upended by the constant inquiries that ensued after Susan vanished.
 ::snipping2::
Until this week, authorities have only publicly discussed Steve Powell in relation to the charges he now faces. But a warrant and emails indicate that he has been dragged deeply into the Utah investigation surrounding his son, and police say they want to interview him to see if he knows anything about his daughter-in-law's disappearance.

"He may or may not have information that may be beneficial to us," said Sgt. Mike Powell in West Valley City, Utah, where Josh and Susan Powell lived at the time of her disappearance. Sgt. Powell is not related to the family.

According to the Salt Lake City Tribune, Powell claimed his daughter-in-law made sexual advances toward him, and made national television appearances where he professed his feelings for his daughter-in-law and his desire for sexual intimacy.

"Susan was very sexual with me," Steve Powell told ABC's Good Morning America. "We interacted in a lot of sexual ways because Susan enjoys doing that."

Susan Powell's friends and family have denied that she had any feelings of the sort or made advances towards Steve Powell.

In a search of Steve Powell's Washington state home last year, authorities found explicit images on his computers and images of people being photographed without their knowledge. Among them were pictures of Susan Powell.

Those findings led to the charges of voyeurism and child porn, to which he has pleaded not guilty. The state took custody of Josh Powell's boys and turned them over to Susan's parents, Chuck and Judy Cox.

Powell's work computer has a batch of photos of Susan Powell, though none appear to be sexual. They depict her and the kids opening Christmas presents and out during Halloween. A few show Susan Powell and the kids more formally dressed. It's not clear who the photographer is.
 ::snipping2::
Pierce County Prosecutor Mark Lindquist, who is overseeing the voyeurism prosecution, said it's his understanding from the images collected that Susan Powell is the subject of much of Steve Powell's photographic attention.

He said the many images of Susan Powell might be of some interest to Utah authorities, but he has seen no evidence connecting Steve Powell to what he calls Susan Powell's murder.

Emails show that Powell was actively working in the days around when Susan Powell disappeared on Dec. 6, 2009. He responded to emails the next morning, even drawing praise from a manager for pointing out an oversight related to holiday cards.
 ::snipping2::





Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 10, 2012, 05:18:43 PM
Thanks for the search warrant screen grab, Klaas!

It says in it he used accelerant on the boys.

So, he tells Charlie he has a big surprise for him. Then hatchets the two boys.

Pours gas on them... and then lit whatever he had that ignited the house.

I pray I got my wish... that the boys didn't suffer long. Knocked out.

I could care less about Josh. Even if he roasted like a pig... I just do not care.

He was like something straight out of the movie 'The Shining'

I could spend the rest of my life thinking... and never come up with such an awful plan. It's not in me. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 10, 2012, 05:26:51 PM
P.S.   I really appreciated Josh's boss telling us what a good little programmer he was, though.

That was worth the breath and ink expended. (sarcasm)

That's like saying... but Hitler was a very good dancer. WHO CARES!?!?! ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 10, 2012, 05:44:01 PM
it seems to just get worse,as time goes on

Police say images on Josh Powell's computer depicted incest
 ::snipping2::
Roach this week sent a public records request to the Department of Social and Health Services asking for the materials West Valley City police sent the agency before the fire. A social worker told dispatchers Charlie, 7, and Braden, 5, were a single step ahead of her on Sunday when they entered Powell’s home for a supervised visit and Powell locked her out.

 West Valley City police, who continue to investigate the disappearance of Susan Powell, last week confirmed they sent information related to the welfare of the Powell children to Washington authorities. A department spokesman declined to elaborate on what that information was, but on Thursday, Troyer told The Associated Press that the images collected by investigators in 2009 from Powell’s home computer in Utah were realistic computer-generated depictions of "incestuous" parent-child relations.

 Troyer said the images couldn’t be legally defined as pornography because they don’t involve real people.

http://**/sltrib/news/53480923-78/powell-roach-police-custody.html.csp

PLEASE DO NOT OVERRIDE THE FILTER IN THE LINKS!!! 
Edit to return link as should be.  MuffyBee


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 10, 2012, 05:53:02 PM
did susan find this stuff,and was going to get out with the boys
 ::snipping2::
Powell’s home computer in Utah were realistic computer-generated depictions of "incestuous" parent-child relations.
 Troyer said the images couldn’t be legally defined as pornography because they don’t involve real people.

http://**/sltrib/news/53480923-78/powell-roach-police-custody.html.csp

PLEASE DO NOT OVERRIDE THE FILTER IN THE LINKS!!! 
Edit to return link as should be.  MuffyBee


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 10, 2012, 06:09:39 PM
So everyone understands this:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9451.msg1303911#msg1303911
Please read the link below.  There are a number of websites that we are now blocking.  If you see a http:/** or a ** when you try and post a website then it has been blocked.  Please read the entire article at this link:

http://righthavenvictims.blogspot.com/p/participating-newspapers.html

Thank you!  ::bee::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 10, 2012, 06:17:02 PM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/02/10/national/a141736S22.DTL
Comforter in Powell unit tests positive for blood
By MANUEL VALDES and MIKE BAKER, Associated Press
February 10, 2012

Police in Washington state who searched a storage unit rented by Josh Powell found a stained comforter that tested positive for blood in initial exams, according to documents filed in court Friday.

Pierce County detectives reported finding a gray-blue comforter with a stain. The search warrant documents say the comforter tested positive for blood. Investigators planned to perform further tests.
 ::snipping2::
Pierce County Prosecutor Mark Lindquist said presumptive tests are conducted with a field kit and that a determination of blood won't be confirmed until the item is examined in the lab. "Field tests are not infallible," he said.

Lindquist said he expects the finding will be something law enforcement will share with colleagues in Utah who have been investigating Susan Powell's disappearance. The comforter was the only item police kept.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 10, 2012, 06:18:20 PM
So everyone understands this:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9451.msg1303911#msg1303911
Please read the link below.  There are a number of websites that we are now blocking.  If you see a http:/** or a ** when you try and post a website then it has been blocked.  Please read the entire article at this link:

http://righthavenvictims.blogspot.com/p/participating-newspapers.html

Thank you!  ::bee::

 ::rhino::
Holly sh*t  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::, there's a lot of them....I book marked the list site.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 10, 2012, 06:22:42 PM
Let me refine my confusion:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700223934/Susan-Powells-father-interview-I-didnt-know-about-son-in-laws-porn.html
Susan Powell’s father interview: I didn’t know about son-in-law’s porn
Published: Friday, Feb. 10, 2012 11:24 a.m

 ::snipping2::
Speaking with Lester Holt just after TODAY aired a report on the pornography investigation, Cox said it was the first time he’d heard about it. At a court hearing last week, Powell was ordered to undergo a psychosexual evaluation, but the Cox family and its attorneys were not aware of the root cause.
 ::snipping2::



Weren't they aware of Josh & the boys living with his father, and what his father was charged with when he went to jail?

I believe they are referring to the incest animation that was found on Josh's PC from Utah that the Judge in Utah sealed until the court hearing on Weds when they sent the Judge the info which spured the psychosexual evaluation.

I'm still confused a bit over this.  Josh was living with his father when the porn was found on Josh's computer.  I'm aware that Josh's father had a company or state issued computer on which the porn that he is awaiting trial on was found, but did Josh's father have access to Josh's computer too?  Isn't that part of why Josh lost custody in 2011?  

Did Josh and his father have an incestuous relationship when Josh was younger?  If father was into child parent incest, it wouldn't be surprising for Josh to be suspect of furthering that into incest with his own sons.

What am I missing here?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57374907/powell-father-kept-dozens-of-pics-of-sons-wife/
 ::snipping2::
In a search of Steve Powell's Washington state home last year, authorities found explicit images on his computers and images of people being photographed without their knowledge. Among them were pictures of Susan Powell.

Those findings led to the charges of voyeurism and child porn, to which he has pleaded not guilty. The state took custody of Josh Powell's boys and turned them over to Susan's parents, Chuck and Judy Cox.
 ::snipping2::


http://**/sltrib/news/53480923-78/powell-roach-police-custody.html.csp

PLEASE DO NOT OVERRIDE THE FILTER IN THE LINKS!!! 
Edit to return link as should be.  MuffyBee
 ::snipping2::
 West Valley City police, who continue to investigate the disappearance of Susan Powell, last week confirmed they sent information related to the welfare of the Powell children to Washington authorities. A department spokesman declined to elaborate on what that information was, but on Thursday, Troyer told The Associated Press that the images collected by investigators in 2009 from Powell’s home computer in Utah were realistic computer-generated depictions of "incestuous" parent-child relations.
 ::snipping2::

~~~~~
In 2009 , computer generated depictions of "incestuous" parent-child relations were found on Josh's computer following investigation of disappearance of Susan.  Why were the boys allowed to remain in Josh's custody?

Then in 2011, Josh lost custody, when his father was found to have voyeuristic pictures of girls and women, and child pornography on his computer.  But Josh was allowed to have supervised visits in his home.

I understand now that, the Coxes were aware of the grandfathers computer images, but not of Josh's computer images.

Why weren't the children removed from Josh's custody following the finding on his own computer?  B/c they were computer generated cartoon-type images?

Something is very wrong here!  The court denies custody b/c of what is on the GF's computer, but not over what was on the Josh's computer! And the issue doesn't arise again, until Josh files to get full custody again?

IMO, the courts dropped the ball back in 2009!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 10, 2012, 06:23:03 PM
So everyone understands this:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9451.msg1303911#msg1303911
Please read the link below.  There are a number of websites that we are now blocking.  If you see a http:/** or a ** when you try and post a website then it has been blocked.  Please read the entire article at this link:

http://righthavenvictims.blogspot.com/p/participating-newspapers.html

Thank you!  ::bee::

 ::rhino::
Holly sh*t  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::, there's a lot of them....I book marked the list site.


It's really nothing to worry about pharlap, it's been that way for a long time now.  You don't really need to worry about the list, since Klaasend fixed us up so when a link is posted from the list, it is automatically filtered.  It's just an issue if someone changes the filtered link in their post.  See?  ::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 10, 2012, 06:23:33 PM
sorry MB thanks for the notice


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 10, 2012, 06:26:21 PM
Please edit the links in my post above as I used the overwritten link.  Thanks!

Done!  MB


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 10, 2012, 06:26:47 PM
sorry MB thanks for the notice

Okay cw.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 10, 2012, 06:34:02 PM
josh has left a terrible legacy,ive been several places in the last few days and the
topic is josh and his horror story,people seem to find it incomprehensible,that
another human could do what he did,to anyone much less his children

boys and susan
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 10, 2012, 06:36:52 PM
josh has left a terrible legacy,ive been several places in the last few days and the
topic is josh and his horror story,people seem to find it incomprehensible,that
another human could do what he did,to anyone much less his children

boys and susan
 ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 10, 2012, 06:51:22 PM
Powell tragedy on Dateline tonight.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 10, 2012, 06:54:06 PM
http://**/sltrib/news/53463676-78/powell-mommy-ceci-cox.html.csp
What might the Powell boys have known about their mother’s disappearance?
By melinda Rogers
The Salt Lake Tribune
February 10, 2012



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 10, 2012, 08:01:54 PM
CW and others - even though it looks like RightHaven has lost most of it's cases, I still don't want to take a chance with anything.  So if for any reason we have a word filtered out or a website filtered out, like Muffy said, please don't override the filter.

Thanks..I know you guys understand. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 10, 2012, 08:36:04 PM
I wish some hackers looking for something to do would hack the dootie out of that SusanPowell dot org website that Skeeve Sr. and Skeeve Jr. set up to make Susan look bad. I had missed that lovely piece of handiwork, until I spent some time checking it out last night. I ran into by accident.

The sheer lengths a murderer will go to, to try and spin a story in their favor... it's UNREAL. Also, a huge waste of time and resources.

Someone needs to replace the whole website with the $1 menu board from McDonald's. Makes me so mad! ::MonkeyMad::

*** Dateline Special: Powell coming up tonight on NBC. 10/9 central


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 10, 2012, 08:38:31 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/dispatcher-who-took-911-powell-call-tells-dateline-he-wishes-hed-recognized-urgency/2012/02/10/gIQA783s4Q_story.html

Dispatcher who took 911 Powell call tells ‘Dateline’ he wishes he’d recognized ‘urgency’
Updated: Friday, February 10, 5:23 PM

SEATTLE — The dispatcher who took a much-criticized 911 call from a social worker trying to alert authorities to danger at Josh Powell’s house before he killed himself and his children says the case has been “a nightmare.”

The dispatcher says in an interview with “Dateline NBC” airing Friday that he didn’t realize who the social worker was talking about when she mentioned Powell’s name. Powell was a person of interest in his wife’s 2009 Utah disappearance and had lost custody of his two sons.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 10, 2012, 08:39:27 PM
I wish some hackers looking for something to do would hack the dootie out of that SusanPowell dot org website that Skeeve Sr. and Skeeve Jr. set up to make Susan look bad. I had missed that lovely piece of handiwork, until I spent some time checking it out last night. I ran into by accident.

The sheer lengths a murderer will go to, to try and spin a story in their favor... it's UNREAL. Also, a huge waste of time and resources.

Someone needs to replace the whole website with the $1 menu board from McDonald's. Makes me so mad! ::MonkeyMad::

*** Dateline Special: Powell coming up tonight on NBC. 10/9 central


 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 10, 2012, 09:41:20 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/dispatcher-who-took-911-powell-call-tells-dateline-he-wishes-hed-recognized-urgency/2012/02/10/gIQA783s4Q_story.html

Dispatcher who took 911 Powell call tells ‘Dateline’ he wishes he’d recognized ‘urgency’
Updated: Friday, February 10, 5:23 PM

SEATTLE — The dispatcher who took a much-criticized 911 call from a social worker trying to alert authorities to danger at Josh Powell’s house before he killed himself and his children says the case has been “a nightmare.”

The dispatcher says in an interview with “Dateline NBC” airing Friday that he didn’t realize who the social worker was talking about when she mentioned Powell’s name. Powell was a person of interest in his wife’s 2009 Utah disappearance and had lost custody of his two sons.
 ::snipping2::


The dispatcher couldn't have done anything.  Other than not allowing visitation in his home, I'm not sure what could have been done differently.  It's not the Social Workers fault but I do think the system failed.  Josh should never have been allowed the opportunity to do what he did. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 10, 2012, 10:03:02 PM
Klaas - looky what I found stumbling through some old posts. This was one of yours.

I hope the quilt that they found, with the initial tests showing human blood, will answer some more questions for the Cox family.
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http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=8986844


Neighbor: Husband acted oddly during conversation Wednesday night
December 10th, 2009 @ 5:58pm

WEST VALLEY CITY -- While police continue their investigation into the case of a missing West Valley woman, her neighbor is opening up about a conversation he had with her husband Wednesday night.

Susan Powell, 28, disappeared Sunday. Her father, Charles Cox, told KSL News her husband, Josh Powell, said he took the couple's children camping Sunday night and came home Monday to find his wife missing.

Neighbor talks about conversation with Josh Powell

The couples' neighbor Tim Peterson told KSL News that Josh asked him for a ride Wednesday night to pick up his van, which police had searched. He said Josh's behavior was odd and he didn't know what to make of it.

She's a friend of ours, and this is tearing us up," Peterson said.

Like many others, Peterson has a lot of questions about Susan's disappearance, and he didn't get any answers from Josh.

"He'd only had like six hours of sleep in two days, and so he was just kind of in a haze. He just really wasn't himself," Peterson said. "Anytime we mentioned Susan, he didn't, he wouldn't respond. He wouldn't talk about her."

But Peterson said Josh did talk about having to buy new clothes and a new quilt. ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flamom on February 10, 2012, 10:14:28 PM
20/20 and Dateline have the Powell story on. It is giving me the creeps, I cannot stand to look at the monster.  ::crymonkey2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 10, 2012, 10:26:09 PM
Klaas - looky what I found stumbling through some old posts. This was one of yours.

I hope the quilt that they found, with the initial tests showing human blood, will answer some more questions for the Cox family.
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http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=8986844


Neighbor: Husband acted oddly during conversation Wednesday night
December 10th, 2009 @ 5:58pm

WEST VALLEY CITY -- While police continue their investigation into the case of a missing West Valley woman, her neighbor is opening up about a conversation he had with her husband Wednesday night.

Susan Powell, 28, disappeared Sunday. Her father, Charles Cox, told KSL News her husband, Josh Powell, said he took the couple's children camping Sunday night and came home Monday to find his wife missing.

Neighbor talks about conversation with Josh Powell

The couples' neighbor Tim Peterson told KSL News that Josh asked him for a ride Wednesday night to pick up his van, which police had searched. He said Josh's behavior was odd and he didn't know what to make of it.

She's a friend of ours, and this is tearing us up," Peterson said.

Like many others, Peterson has a lot of questions about Susan's disappearance, and he didn't get any answers from Josh.

"He'd only had like six hours of sleep in two days, and so he was just kind of in a haze. He just really wasn't himself," Peterson said. "Anytime we mentioned Susan, he didn't, he wouldn't respond. He wouldn't talk about her."

But Peterson said Josh did talk about having to buy new clothes and a new quilt. ::snipping2::
Oh, I'll bet LE has put a rush on the testing of the quilt Josh stored.  Funny how some killers like their 'trophies' .


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 10, 2012, 10:28:41 PM
Can I just say, if some dumb judge allows SP out to attend the funeral of Susan's boys, I'll be ready to jump a flight to WA and lay in the road to keep him from getting there. 

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 10, 2012, 10:39:49 PM
Can I just say, if some dumb judge allows SP out to attend the funeral of Susan's boys, I'll be ready to jump a flight to WA and lay in the road to keep him from getting there. 

 ::MonkeyMad::

I couldn't believe when Steve said Susan would ask him to feel her freshly waxed legs...

Interviewer: How did you respond?

Steve: I just sort of ENJOYED THE MOMENT. ::MonkeyEek::

He actually said that on network television about his own son's wife.

>We passed the barf bag around the room at my house. The man has no shame, he doesn't even know what it is.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 10, 2012, 10:43:19 PM
I watched Dateline. Of all the horrible, unthinkable things we know about in this case, I cannot get these words out of my head, "I have a surprise for you......"

It makes me shutter.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 10, 2012, 10:46:23 PM
Can I just say, if some dumb judge allows SP out to attend the funeral of Susan's boys, I'll be ready to jump a flight to WA and lay in the road to keep him from getting there. 

 ::MonkeyMad::

I'm betting he won't show, but who knows, who knows anything when it comes to those warped people!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 10, 2012, 10:49:23 PM
Klaas - looky what I found stumbling through some old posts. This was one of yours.

I hope the quilt that they found, with the initial tests showing human blood, will answer some more questions for the Cox family.
----

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=8986844


Neighbor: Husband acted oddly during conversation Wednesday night
December 10th, 2009 @ 5:58pm

WEST VALLEY CITY -- While police continue their investigation into the case of a missing West Valley woman, her neighbor is opening up about a conversation he had with her husband Wednesday night.

Susan Powell, 28, disappeared Sunday. Her father, Charles Cox, told KSL News her husband, Josh Powell, said he took the couple's children camping Sunday night and came home Monday to find his wife missing.

Neighbor talks about conversation with Josh Powell

The couples' neighbor Tim Peterson told KSL News that Josh asked him for a ride Wednesday night to pick up his van, which police had searched. He said Josh's behavior was odd and he didn't know what to make of it.

She's a friend of ours, and this is tearing us up," Peterson said.

Like many others, Peterson has a lot of questions about Susan's disappearance, and he didn't get any answers from Josh.

"He'd only had like six hours of sleep in two days, and so he was just kind of in a haze. He just really wasn't himself," Peterson said. "Anytime we mentioned Susan, he didn't, he wouldn't respond. He wouldn't talk about her."

But Peterson said Josh did talk about having to buy new clothes and a new quilt. ::snipping2::


Thanks for finding the article, Carpe.  Maybe the blood stained quilt found in storage will bring answers.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 10, 2012, 11:17:00 PM
Klaas - looky what I found stumbling through some old posts. This was one of yours.

I hope the quilt that they found, with the initial tests showing human blood, will answer some more questions for the Cox family.
----

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=8986844


Neighbor: Husband acted oddly during conversation Wednesday night
December 10th, 2009 @ 5:58pm

WEST VALLEY CITY -- While police continue their investigation into the case of a missing West Valley woman, her neighbor is opening up about a conversation he had with her husband Wednesday night.

Susan Powell, 28, disappeared Sunday. Her father, Charles Cox, told KSL News her husband, Josh Powell, said he took the couple's children camping Sunday night and came home Monday to find his wife missing.

Neighbor talks about conversation with Josh Powell

The couples' neighbor Tim Peterson told KSL News that Josh asked him for a ride Wednesday night to pick up his van, which police had searched. He said Josh's behavior was odd and he didn't know what to make of it.

She's a friend of ours, and this is tearing us up," Peterson said.

Like many others, Peterson has a lot of questions about Susan's disappearance, and he didn't get any answers from Josh.

"He'd only had like six hours of sleep in two days, and so he was just kind of in a haze. He just really wasn't himself," Peterson said. "Anytime we mentioned Susan, he didn't, he wouldn't respond. He wouldn't talk about her."

But Peterson said Josh did talk about having to buy new clothes and a new quilt. ::snipping2::

You know I keep thinking about how this all could have been avoided.  He showed all the signs when he was a kid (just like Joran).  Killing hamsters, threatening his mom, etc.  NOBODY TAKES 2 TODDLERS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT DURING A SNOW STORM CAMPING

So did he hit her in the head with a hatchet too?  Did he wrap her in the quilt and put her in the trunk?  He's been "hiding/moving" that quilt around with him when he moved?  Was it a trophy of his kill? 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 10, 2012, 11:51:47 PM
Klaas - looky what I found stumbling through some old posts. This was one of yours.

I hope the quilt that they found, with the initial tests showing human blood, will answer some more questions for the Cox family.
----

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=8986844


Neighbor: Husband acted oddly during conversation Wednesday night
December 10th, 2009 @ 5:58pm

WEST VALLEY CITY -- While police continue their investigation into the case of a missing West Valley woman, her neighbor is opening up about a conversation he had with her husband Wednesday night.

Susan Powell, 28, disappeared Sunday. Her father, Charles Cox, told KSL News her husband, Josh Powell, said he took the couple's children camping Sunday night and came home Monday to find his wife missing.

Neighbor talks about conversation with Josh Powell

The couples' neighbor Tim Peterson told KSL News that Josh asked him for a ride Wednesday night to pick up his van, which police had searched. He said Josh's behavior was odd and he didn't know what to make of it.

She's a friend of ours, and this is tearing us up," Peterson said.

Like many others, Peterson has a lot of questions about Susan's disappearance, and he didn't get any answers from Josh.

"He'd only had like six hours of sleep in two days, and so he was just kind of in a haze. He just really wasn't himself," Peterson said. "Anytime we mentioned Susan, he didn't, he wouldn't respond. He wouldn't talk about her."

But Peterson said Josh did talk about having to buy new clothes and a new quilt. ::snipping2::

You know I keep thinking about how this all could have been avoided.  He showed all the signs when he was a kid (just like Joran).  Killing hamsters, threatening his mom, etc.  NOBODY TAKES 2 TODDLERS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT DURING A SNOW STORM CAMPING

So did he hit her in the head with a hatchet too?  Did he wrap her in the quilt and put her in the trunk?  He's been "hiding/moving" that quilt around with him when he moved?  Was it a trophy of his kill?  

Maybe. Or maybe he was stuck with the quilt and thought he'd have more time to get rid of it, did not know what to do.

Susan's friends verify for me that she really was not feeling very well.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705350711/West-Valley-police-neighbors-call-Susan-Powells-disappearance-suspicious.html
Edit to add link per Carpe.  MB
West Valley police, neighbors call Susan Powell's disappearance 'suspicious'

Police search missing mom's home for clues

By Emiley Morgan

Deseret News
Published: Thursday, Dec. 10, 2009 11:40 p.m. MST

Close friend and neighbor Kiirsi Hellewell, who has become the self-appointed advocate for Susan Powell because the woman's family lives in Washington, has pieced together a detailed timeline of events. She said she walked home from church with Susan Powell and her sons around noon Sunday. Another friend from her LDS ward ate dinner with the Powells Sunday evening. That friend told Hellewell she left the home shortly after Susan Powell said she wasn't feeling well and Josh Powell announced that he was going to take the boys sledding and then go eat. ::snipping2::
-----
Perhaps Jennifer Graves theory is right on the mark... that he slipped her drugs. (or poison, I think) Made her sick.

Remember, he's a King Coward that likes to tell 7 year old boys I HAVE A SURPRISE FOR YOU!

Perhaps he had a surprise for Susan, too. When she was asleep and couldn't defend herself?

I think you may have hit the nail on the head, Klaas. He wrapped her up in the comforter.

Put mommy in the trunk and went camping.

Why did he kill her? She was going to leave him.

He was in charge of everything and he was driving them into the ground. 200K in the hole. 2007 Bankruptcy.

I think she told him where to go stuff his DOLLAR MENU... and I don't blame her! ::HelloKitty:: She was the one with a J-O-B.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 10, 2012, 11:54:58 PM
Am I remembering this correctly?

On the day after the camping trip, when nobody went to work, and the kids weren't taken to day care, somebody asked Josh if Susan went on the camping trip (or something to that effect).  He replied, that no, she stayed home to scrub a RED stain out of the carpet.  Susan's parents remember going to Susan's house and seeing fans trying to dry the spot.

Was this not a big tipoff?  Did the police test the spot for blood? 

That and the quilt comment are just too weird!  And telling.   ::MonkeyShocked::

Did the neighbor tell the police about the quilt comment?  And why didn't the police search for it then?  Did he have the storage unit in 2009 and was it searched then?



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 11, 2012, 12:02:20 AM
Link for snip-it... from the article where her friend said she wasn't feeling well.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705350711/West-Valley-police-neighbors-call-Susan-Powells-disappearance-suspicious.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2012, 12:15:25 AM
Am I remembering this correctly?

On the day after the camping trip, when nobody went to work, and the kids weren't taken to day care, somebody asked Josh if Susan went on the camping trip (or something to that effect).  He replied, that no, she stayed home to scrub a RED stain out of the carpet.  Susan's parents remember going to Susan's house and seeing fans trying to dry the spot.

Was this not a big tipoff?  Did the police test the spot for blood? 

That and the quilt comment are just too weird!  And telling.   ::MonkeyShocked::

Did the neighbor tell the police about the quilt comment?  And why didn't the police search for it then?  Did he have the storage unit in 2009 and was it searched then?



I don't remember Josh saying that she stayed home to scrub the stain.  I do know they did find josh with fans trying to dry a spot in the carpet.  I'm not sure Josh had that same storage unit then. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 12:25:38 AM
Am I remembering this correctly?

On the day after the camping trip, when nobody went to work, and the kids weren't taken to day care, somebody asked Josh if Susan went on the camping trip (or something to that effect).  He replied, that no, she stayed home to scrub a RED stain out of the carpet.  Susan's parents remember going to Susan's house and seeing fans trying to dry the spot.

Was this not a big tipoff?  Did the police test the spot for blood? 

That and the quilt comment are just too weird!  And telling.   ::MonkeyShocked::

Did the neighbor tell the police about the quilt comment?  And why didn't the police search for it then?  Did he have the storage unit in 2009 and was it searched then?



Ok, here's the link:

This one says Josh said it, in another it was attributed to Steve.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/08/25/susan-powell-disappearance-sources-say-arrest-imminent-father-in-law-is-a-perv/

 ::snipping2::
Josh alleges Susan disappeared on December 9, 2009 when he took the couples children on an impromptu camping trip, 2 hours away, in a blizzard, with a generator, while forgetting to call his employer when he did not show up two days later.

He admitted that Susan stayed behind to clean a red stain on the carpet, which police witnessed two fans drying, three days later.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 12:31:50 AM
here's the article where Steve says the red stain was koolaide:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/break-missing-mom-susan-powell-case/story?id=14333638#.TzX7fXpdCSo

 ::snipping2::
Steven Powell also spoke to the Tribune, saying that the curious wet spot found by police on the carpet in his son and daughter-in-laws home after her disappearance was from a clean-up that Susan Powell had done on a red stain that he said was "probably juice or something."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2012, 12:32:40 AM
Thanks, I didn't remember that. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 11, 2012, 12:38:33 AM
He must have cleaned that spot with something really good... or it was not blood at all. If they found her blood, he would have been picked up immediately. Don't you think?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 12:49:42 AM
He must have cleaned that spot with something really good... or it was not blood at all. If they found her blood, he would have been picked up immediately. Don't you think?

Yes, I agree.  But was the spot even tested or was the LE terribly inept here too?  I guess it was juice , b/c it wasn't mentioned much in the media.

A bit suspicious to have a big wet spot in the carpet right after your wife goes missing, and then it's just juice that she bothered to clean before she ran off!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 11, 2012, 01:16:19 AM
http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/02/10/main-purpose-editorial-cartoon-visual-comment-issues

Main purpose of an editorial cartoon is visual comment on issues

Quote
Grondahl's cartoon showed Susan Powell and her two young sons, Charlie and Braden. The cartoon accompanied an editorial about Josh Powell and his actions Sunday in killing himself and the two boys.

Those that I talked to who objected to Grondahl's work felt the cartoon showed a lack of respect for Susan Powell and her children.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 11, 2012, 01:19:49 AM
He must have cleaned that spot with something really good... or it was not blood at all. If they found her blood, he would have been picked up immediately. Don't you think?

Yes, I agree.  But was the spot even tested or was the LE terribly inept here too?  I guess it was juice , b/c it wasn't mentioned much in the media.

A bit suspicious to have a big wet spot in the carpet right after your wife goes missing, and then it's just juice that she bothered to clean before she ran off!
It could be that a cleaning agent was used that destroyed the dna.  Or maybe LE was just keeping that part close to the vest to see if Josh would slip up and say it was blood.  I'm thinking we'll find out when they've got definite results on the quilt.

Who keeps a bloody quilt?   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 11, 2012, 01:24:29 AM
I've read the 911 operator's comments about wishing he'd recognized the name of JP.  But the thing is, this could've been any visitation of any family.  If 911 receives a call from a case worker in this manner, 911 needs to give importance to the call.  Kids' lives are always important.  This being a high profile case is irrelevant. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 11, 2012, 01:24:29 AM
He must have cleaned that spot with something really good... or it was not blood at all. If they found her blood, he would have been picked up immediately. Don't you think?

Yes, I agree.  But was the spot even tested or was the LE terribly inept here too?  I guess it was juice , b/c it wasn't mentioned much in the media.

A bit suspicious to have a big wet spot in the carpet right after your wife goes missing, and then it's just juice that she bothered to clean before she ran off!

I sure hope police tested it... or the taxpayers are wasting their money. Another thing that is suspicious to me:

I have been alive for a pretty long time. Not once have I ever discussed buying quilts with any of my buddies!!!!

Not even if I found a BARGOON - or the best quilt sale ever!!!! The guys I hang out with --- quilts never come up. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Add in - a wife missing, and your focus is on a new quilt? My head is spinning.

Jennifer Graves is dead on about her bro, Josh.  >>> odd duck, she called him.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 11, 2012, 01:32:18 AM
http://www.theolympian.com/2012/02/10/1985530/powells-mundane-hours-before-atrocity.html (http://www.theolympian.com/2012/02/10/1985530/powells-mundane-hours-before-atrocity.html)

Powell's mundane hours before atrocity spent running errands
 


Quote
Pierce County sheriff’s spokesman Ed Troyer said the comforter was turned over to West Valley City, Utah, police, who are investigating the disappearance and presumed murder of Powell’s wife, Susan Cox Powell.

West Valley City police will test the comforter to see whether it’s relevant to their investigation, Troyer said. It was too early to tell Friday.

Read more here: http://www.theolympian.com/2012/02/10/1985530/powells-mundane-hours-before-atrocity.html#storylink=cpy

So the WA LE have turned over the comforter to Utah.  sheesh...I hope they didn't mail it.  The way this case has gone, it would get lost in transit.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 01:32:49 AM
Here's another reference to leaving Susan behind to clean the red carpet stain...

 ::snipping2::
Dec. 7, 2009: Josh and Susan Powell failed to drop off their two sons at a day care in Utah, and Susan failed to show up for work that day, sparking family members to start a search for her. Josh later told police that he left with his sons, then ages 4 and 2, in the middle of the night (a 12:30 a.m. departure, he said) and didn’t return until late in that day, well after Susan had gone missing. He said he took the boys camping at Simpson Springs Recreation Area, leaving his wife at home, where she was busily working to remove a red stain from the carpet. Temperatures reached freezing that night.
 ::snipping2::

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/02/07/timeline-the-powell-familys-tragic-two-years/

I just find it odd that Josh would try to explain the carpet being wet by saying Susan didn't go on the camping trip to stay home and clean the carpet.  It Susan was running away why would she clean the carpet before she left?

It makes no sense, IMO.  If you killed your wife, why would you bother to stop to clean the carpet if it was only red juice? Maybe if it was blood it would be important to clean the carpet  during this time frame.  But even if it was juice, why clean it then, during the time when your wife has disappeared? And you later try to convince the world that she ran away with another man.

I find it odd that we heard about the wet carpet, but never that the police investigated why the carpet was wet or that it was even tested to determine what had been cleaned.

 ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyShocked::



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 11, 2012, 01:39:45 AM
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=19191136 (http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=19191136)

Funeral services to celebrate happiness Powell children brought to family

Quote
"We'd like to recapture some of the innocence that was taken, not just from those kids but from the whole community because we really feel like this could be a healing moment.
–Dean Curry, funeral director
   ::MonkeyTears::

Quote
A movement on Facebook is encouraging everyone to wear blue Saturday in honor of the boys. During the funeral service, a children's choir will sing "Amazing Grace," the boys' schoolteachers will remember them in talks, as will the pastor who was with the boys during the custody battle. Chuck and Judy Cox will follow with remarks and are expected to thank the community for its support.

Quote
The sheriff's office said Powell had not made any special requests to attend the funeral, nor would they honor such a request unless they received a court order.



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 11, 2012, 01:42:23 AM
http://www.bing.com/videos/browse/source?tag=msnbc%3Adateline+nbc

Dateline NBC "A Family's Story"
Friday, February 10, 2012

-------------------

At link--Video selections of a series of 16 short segments of the program.  Three of the segments are of the 911 Powell dispatcher.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 01:44:44 AM
He must have cleaned that spot with something really good... or it was not blood at all. If they found her blood, he would have been picked up immediately. Don't you think?

Yes, I agree.  But was the spot even tested or was the LE terribly inept here too?  I guess it was juice , b/c it wasn't mentioned much in the media.

A bit suspicious to have a big wet spot in the carpet right after your wife goes missing, and then it's just juice that she bothered to clean before she ran off!
It could be that a cleaning agent was used that destroyed the dna.  Or maybe LE was just keeping that part close to the vest to see if Josh would slip up and say it was blood.  I'm thinking we'll find out when they've got definite results on the quilt.

Who keeps a bloody quilt?   ::MonkeyEek::


OK!

In Aruba we had blood that turned into cleaning fluid and chocolate.

Here we have cleaning fluid that turns into juice.

I hope that Carpe is correct in that the police just didn't release the results of any testing as a tactical reason.

Aside - wouldn't whatever the substance that made the red spot have seeped into the padding under the carpet and maybe the subfloor depending how much was spilled and whether the excess was sopped up right away?  And Josh must have had this all planned out to have a cleaning fluid on hand that removes all traces of blood.  I wonder what that magical cleaning fluid is called?  I bet a lot of murderers and would be murderers and cleaning fanatics would like to know.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 11, 2012, 01:53:51 AM
He must have cleaned that spot with something really good... or it was not blood at all. If they found her blood, he would have been picked up immediately. Don't you think?

Yes, I agree.  But was the spot even tested or was the LE terribly inept here too?  I guess it was juice , b/c it wasn't mentioned much in the media.

A bit suspicious to have a big wet spot in the carpet right after your wife goes missing, and then it's just juice that she bothered to clean before she ran off!
It could be that a cleaning agent was used that destroyed the dna.  Or maybe LE was just keeping that part close to the vest to see if Josh would slip up and say it was blood.  I'm thinking we'll find out when they've got definite results on the quilt.

Who keeps a bloody quilt?   ::MonkeyEek::


OK!

In Aruba we had blood that turned into cleaning fluid and chocolate.

Here we have cleaning fluid that turns into juice.

I hope that Carpe is correct in that the police just didn't release the results of any testing as a tactical reason.

Aside - wouldn't whatever the substance that made the red spot have seeped into the padding under the carpet and maybe the subfloor depending how much was spilled and whether the excess was sopped up right away?  And Josh must have had this all planned out to have a cleaning fluid on hand that removes all traces of blood.  I wonder what that magical cleaning fluid is called?  I bet a lot of murderers and would be murderers and cleaning fanatics would like to know.
From our own files... and thank you  Blonde!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3354.0
Quote
Most professional villains already know that a dilute solution of household bleach or hydrogen peroxide will destroy the DNA molecules within most types of trace evidence left at a crime scene.


http://www.scandals.org/articles/pk021129.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 11, 2012, 02:01:28 AM
http://home.howstuffworks.com/how-to-remove-blood-stains6.htm

This site gives tips on removing blood stains from lots of surfaces.

How to Remove Blood Stains
Quote
Carpet
Follow these steps to remove blood stains from Carpet/Synthetic, Carpet/Wool, or Foam Rubber:
Mix 1 teaspoon of a mild, non-alkali detergent with 1/2 pint lukewarm water.
Add a small amount to the stain and blot the liquid. Do not force the stain further into the fibers.
Continue blotting until no more stain is removed.
If stain remains, add 1 tablespoon ammonia to 1 cup water (do not use on wool), sponge stain, and blot liquid.
Continue until no more stain is removed.
Place an absorbent pad over the damp area and weight it down.
When no more liquid is drawn out, remove the pad and allow it to air dry thoroughly.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 02:27:12 AM
He must have cleaned that spot with something really good... or it was not blood at all. If they found her blood, he would have been picked up immediately. Don't you think?

Yes, I agree.  But was the spot even tested or was the LE terribly inept here too?  I guess it was juice , b/c it wasn't mentioned much in the media.

A bit suspicious to have a big wet spot in the carpet right after your wife goes missing, and then it's just juice that she bothered to clean before she ran off!
It could be that a cleaning agent was used that destroyed the dna.  Or maybe LE was just keeping that part close to the vest to see if Josh would slip up and say it was blood.  I'm thinking we'll find out when they've got definite results on the quilt.

Who keeps a bloody quilt?   ::MonkeyEek::


OK!

In Aruba we had blood that turned into cleaning fluid and chocolate.

Here we have cleaning fluid that turns into juice.

I hope that Carpe is correct in that the police just didn't release the results of any testing as a tactical reason.

Aside - wouldn't whatever the substance that made the red spot have seeped into the padding under the carpet and maybe the subfloor depending how much was spilled and whether the excess was sopped up right away?  And Josh must have had this all planned out to have a cleaning fluid on hand that removes all traces of blood.  I wonder what that magical cleaning fluid is called?  I bet a lot of murderers and would be murderers and cleaning fanatics would like to know.
From our own files... and thank you  Blonde!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3354.0
Quote
Most professional villains already know that a dilute solution of household bleach or hydrogen peroxide will destroy the DNA molecules within most types of trace evidence left at a crime scene.


http://www.scandals.org/articles/pk021129.html

First, I want to apologize for attributing your thoughts to Carpe on the tactical reasoning of not mentioning the results of testing the stain.

Second, police testing seems to find microscopic traces of blood not visible to the naked eye.  I would imagine this would also apply especially to padding under most carpets.  And LE say that even though crime scenes are often cleansed by the perpetrators, that they often cannot/ do not remove all trace evidence.  Even cleaning companies that specialize in cleaning up crime scenes, accidents and suicides say cleaning up all traces is extremely difficult.  That's what I meant by magical cleaning fluid.
 
Third,  Josh seemed to be the type of guy who wouldn't know about things domestic as they were things best allotted to women. 

JMO.  Again, a big red stain, whatever it was, needing to be cleaned/ or being cleaned during the time when your wife mysteriously disappears or runs away is a big RED flag!  That was the point I've tried to make.  That and why it wasn't mentioned anymore.

I've probably made too big a deal out of the carpet stain/cleaning - so I won't say anything more on it, for awhile at least.



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 02:31:34 AM
http://home.howstuffworks.com/how-to-remove-blood-stains6.htm

This site gives tips on removing blood stains from lots of surfaces.

How to Remove Blood Stains
Quote
Carpet
Follow these steps to remove blood stains from Carpet/Synthetic, Carpet/Wool, or Foam Rubber:
Mix 1 teaspoon of a mild, non-alkali detergent with 1/2 pint lukewarm water.
Add a small amount to the stain and blot the liquid. Do not force the stain further into the fibers.
Continue blotting until no more stain is removed.
If stain remains, add 1 tablespoon ammonia to 1 cup water (do not use on wool), sponge stain, and blot liquid.
Continue until no more stain is removed.
Place an absorbent pad over the damp area and weight it down.
When no more liquid is drawn out, remove the pad and allow it to air dry thoroughly.

Thanks for the info.

I notice it says to blot not scrub.  Blotting would produce the need for towels or another absorbent fabric - say a quilt or something.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 05:30:39 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501363_162-57375220/911-call-worker-says-josh-powell-exploded-home/

February 10, 2012 9:55 PM

(AP)  OLYMPIA, Wash. — Utah authorities have for at least six months investigated the disappearance of Susan Powell as a murder case. But without a body, they publicly held out hope that she would be found alive.

So what evidence did they have that the mother of two was dead? And was there anything to identify her killer?

There was the damp spot on the floor in their Utah home and a curious late-night camping trip described by her husband. There were also the recollections of their young son Braden about a camping trip and his mother being "in the trunk."

That could strike some as a clue, or the ramblings of a boy who was then just 2.

For authorities in Utah, none of it was enough to bring charges.

The man identified by investigators as a "person of interest" — Powell's husband Josh — had already moved from Utah to Washington state, taking with him their two young sons. On Sunday, he torched his house, killing himself and the boys. A 911 call released by police late Tuesday revealed a social worker's frantic attempts to alert authorities that Josh Powell had locked himself and his two young sons in his home moments before he set the house on fire, killing everyone inside.

 ::snipping2::

Now, as authorities try to determine what led him to take such a drastic measure, many questions remain about the status of the investigation into Susan Powell's 2009 disappearance and how close they were to bringing charges.

A Washington state search warrant obtained by The Associated Press through a public records request Tuesday showed that police were investigating three felonies in Utah: first-degree murder, kidnapping and obstructing a public servant.

Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill acknowledged for the first time that investigators believe Powell is likely dead, but he said in an interview with the AP that the case remains a missing persons probe for now.

Gill wouldn't discuss the evidence but said authorities didn't have enough information to file charges.

"I think when I talk about it as a missing persons case, that's because we haven't located the body of Susan Powell,"
Gill said. "Do we think that she may have met harm? Sure. I think that's been an ongoing assumption with law enforcement."

Investigators said Josh Powell withdrew $7,000 in cash from a bank the day before he killed himself and his two young sons in the house fire.

Pierce County Prosecutor Mark Lindquist said detectives obtained Powell's bank records Monday, and on Tuesday they searched a storage unit he rented. It isn't clear what happened to the money.

Josh Powell claimed that on the night Susan Powell vanished, he took sons Charlie and Braden from their home in West Valley City, Utah, on a late-night camping trip. Authorities eventually searched the central Utah desert but found nothing.

Susan Powell's father said that when police went to the family home after she was reported missing, they found a wet spot in the house being dried by two fans. Police have not commented further on what they found.


When Utah authorities traveled to Washington following the blaze Sunday that killed 7-year-old Charlie and 5-year-old Braden, they didn't specifically address what the boys may have said.

West Valley, Utah, Police Chief Buzz Nielsen said authorities needed concrete evidence to move forward.

"When you charge on criminal cases, especially if it ends up being a homicide ... without a body, it's just more difficult. You have to have a stronger case to make those arguments in court," Nielsen said Monday.

"We have circumstantial evidence that I'm not allowed to talk about it," he said. "On a criminal case of this nature you've got one shot, beyond a reasonable doubt in court."

Last September, authorities got a warrant to search the home of Josh Powell's father, Steve. Josh Powell and his sons were living there at the time. The documents obtained by the AP did not specify a suspect.

In addition to the charges, the warrant listed Steve Powell's work laptop computer as well as cars that he used.

Authorities found explicit images on his computers during the search, and he was jailed on voyeurism and child porn charges. The boys were later sent to live with Susan Powell's parents.

 ::snipping2::

The boys had not recently made more comments about what may have happened to their mother, Charles Cox said, though he related what Braden said nearly two years ago.

Cox said: "The four ladies that were supervising that activity said, 'Well, what's this?' 'That's us going camping.' 'Who's in the car?' And Braden said, 'That's Daddy, that's Charlie, that's me.' Then he said, 'Well, mommy's in the trunk.'

"Well if Mommy's in the trunk, why is she in the trunk?' He didn't know, he didn't say, I guess. Then, he said we stopped somewhere and mommy and daddy got out and mommy didn't come back," Cox said.

Nielsen said despite the death of the young boys and Josh Powell, the probe would continue.

"Our case is not closed," the police chief said.

Lindquist, who is overseeing the voyeurism prosecution of Steve Powell but is not directly involved in the Susan Powell case, said it's clear to him that it's a homicide case.

"I don't think at this point I'm going to call this a missing person case," he said. "It's reasonable to call Josh Powell's decision to kill himself and his kids a confession to the murder of Susan Powell."

___



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 05:48:12 AM
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11491958-josh-powell-latest-comforter-found-with-blood-stain

 ::snipping2::


In Dec. of 2009, Josh Powell offered to cook for the family. One of their Latter Day Saints guests said it took him four hours to prepare the meal, and after Susan ate, she went to bed saying she wasn't feeling well even before her girlfriend left the house.

In hindsight the friend said it was completely out of character for her to behave in that way. Some speculate Powell put something in his wife's food and that is also why he passed out the plated up food instead of serving it family style.

Just after the meal, with his wife in bed, Josh took off in the van to take the kids sledding, returning home after 8:00 p.m. Neighbors say they heard the car alarm go off for at least 2 minutes in their garage that same night at around 11:00 p.m. when he told authorities he was preparing to take the kids camping in the freezing temperatures.

The next day when the kids were not dropped off at day care, Susan didn't show up at Well's Fargo where she was a stockbroker and Josh missed his work and didn't call in, friends called the police. When law enforcement showed up at the house, they broke in thinking the family must have died inside from carbon monoxide poisoning.

Instead of finding the family
they found two fans blowing on a wet spot on the floor in the Powell's Utah residents. Later when Josh Powell came home from his "camping" trip he told authorities he thought it was Sunday, not Monday.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 06:28:24 AM
Sign guest book for Charlie and Braden Powell.


http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/tribnet/guestbook.aspx?n=charlie-and-braden-powell&pid=155808480&cid=view


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 11, 2012, 06:37:37 AM
20/20 2/10: Sins of the Father
http://abc.go.com/watch/2020/SH559026/VD55170303/2020-210-sins-of-the-father


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 11, 2012, 07:13:52 AM
http://www.patriotledger.com/topstories/x50590549/WENDY-J-MURPHY-Memo-to-judges-First-do-no-harm
WENDY J. MURPHY: Memo to judges: First do no harm!
By Wendy J. Murphy
For The Patriot Ledger
Posted Feb 11, 2012 @ 06:00 AM


Read more: http://www.patriotledger.com/topstories/x50590549/WENDY-J-MURPHY-Memo-to-judges-First-do-no-harm#ixzz1m4fxoQpe




Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 11, 2012, 07:44:18 AM
Here's another reference to leaving Susan behind to clean the red carpet stain...

 ::snipping2::
Dec. 7, 2009: Josh and Susan Powell failed to drop off their two sons at a day care in Utah, and Susan failed to show up for work that day, sparking family members to start a search for her. Josh later told police that he left with his sons, then ages 4 and 2, in the middle of the night (a 12:30 a.m. departure, he said) and didn’t return until late in that day, well after Susan had gone missing. He said he took the boys camping at Simpson Springs Recreation Area, leaving his wife at home, where she was busily working to remove a red stain from the carpet. Temperatures reached freezing that night.
 ::snipping2::

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/02/07/timeline-the-powell-familys-tragic-two-years/

I just find it odd that Josh would try to explain the carpet being wet by saying Susan didn't go on the camping trip to stay home and clean the carpet.  It Susan was running away why would she clean the carpet before she left?

It makes no sense, IMO.  If you killed your wife, why would you bother to stop to clean the carpet if it was only red juice? Maybe if it was blood it would be important to clean the carpet  during this time frame.  But even if it was juice, why clean it then, during the time when your wife has disappeared? And you later try to convince the world that she ran away with another man.

I find it odd that we heard about the wet carpet, but never that the police investigated why the carpet was wet or that it was even tested to determine what had been cleaned.

 ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyShocked::



How many times had the family gone camping in the middle of the night(just to return hours later) with/without Susan?  Did cops ever ask?
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 11, 2012, 08:16:03 AM

Geesh!  How could Josh Powell have been too busy working at home to take Susan to the hospital to give birth to her first son? ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.skyvalleychronicle.com/FEATURE-NEWS/HAD-A-BAD-FEELING-EVERY-TIME-I-SAW-HIM-br-Josh-Powell-s-mother-in-law-br-I-New-interview-reveals-portrait-of-a-troubled-young-man-I-905284
“HAD A BAD FEELING
EVERY TIME I SAW HIM”

Josh Powell’s mother in law.
New interview reveals portrait
of a troubled young man
February 11, 2012

NATIONAL) -- Judy Cox, the mother in-law of the late Josh Powel who murdered his two sons and took his own life near Puyallup last Sunday, says she long had harbored bad feelings about the young man her daughter married, according to an interview broadcast Friday evening on NBC's “Dateline” news magazine program.

“I had a bad feeling every time I saw him. I even asked my daughter why are you marrying him?” said Judy Cox Friday night in an interview broadcast on NBC that attempted to find some answers to the nagging question of why a man who professed love for his two young boys would kill them in such a horrible act of violence.
 ::snipping2::
When Susan and Josh Powell’s first child Charlie, was born Josh Powell, then working from home, said he was too busy to drive his wife to the hospital to give birth, said Susan’s parents who also told NBC they ended up driving their daughter to the hospital.

And when Josh Powell finally arrived, “He sits in the back of the room working on his computer (while she was in labor),” said Chuck Cox. “It was a really odd experience,” he added.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 11, 2012, 08:51:28 AM
http://www.faofwa.com/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=1389639&fh_id=10210

Obituaries
Charlie and Braden Powell

(Died February 5, 2012)



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 08:58:47 AM

Geesh!  How could Josh Powell have been too busy working at home to take Susan to the hospital to give birth to her first son? ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.skyvalleychronicle.com/FEATURE-NEWS/HAD-A-BAD-FEELING-EVERY-TIME-I-SAW-HIM-br-Josh-Powell-s-mother-in-law-br-I-New-interview-reveals-portrait-of-a-troubled-young-man-I-905284


He was a reviling POS.  I can't imagine how that must have hurt Susan.  She may have been caught up in that "battered woman" syndrome to stay with him. The syndrome where they stay b/c they don't feel worthy enough to deserve better and are too afraid to leave.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 11, 2012, 10:39:19 AM

Geesh!  How could Josh Powell have been too busy working at home to take Susan to the hospital to give birth to her first son? ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.skyvalleychronicle.com/FEATURE-NEWS/HAD-A-BAD-FEELING-EVERY-TIME-I-SAW-HIM-br-Josh-Powell-s-mother-in-law-br-I-New-interview-reveals-portrait-of-a-troubled-young-man-I-905284


He was a reviling POS.  I can't imagine how that must have hurt Susan.  She may have been caught up in that "battered woman" syndrome to stay with him. The syndrome where they stay b/c they don't feel worthy enough to deserve better and are too afraid to leave.

 ::rhino::  Or maybe she thought he would change?  And sometimes women stay with their men for the children's sake.  I know of someone that stayed with a verbally abusive and controlling husband until the kids got out of high school and then she left him.  In Susan Powell's case, I wonder if she stayed with him hoping things would get better and when they didn't and maybe she even had concerns for her sons, that she wanted to get the boys and get away from him, especially for the the children's sake and safety and that's why he killed her.  Maybe Susan stood up for her sons when she had never stood up for herself and that rankled Josh.  I just don't know.  In my opinion, Josh was all about control.  JMHO


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 10:57:54 AM

Geesh!  How could Josh Powell have been too busy working at home to take Susan to the hospital to give birth to her first son? ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.skyvalleychronicle.com/FEATURE-NEWS/HAD-A-BAD-FEELING-EVERY-TIME-I-SAW-HIM-br-Josh-Powell-s-mother-in-law-br-I-New-interview-reveals-portrait-of-a-troubled-young-man-I-905284


He was a reviling POS.  I can't imagine how that must have hurt Susan.  She may have been caught up in that "battered woman" syndrome to stay with him. The syndrome where they stay b/c they don't feel worthy enough to deserve better and are too afraid to leave.

 ::rhino::  Or maybe she thought he would change?  And sometimes women stay with their men for the children's sake.  I know of someone that stayed with a verbally abusive and controlling husband until the kids got out of high school and then she left him.  In Susan Powell's case, I wonder if she stayed with him hoping things would get better and when they didn't and maybe she even had concerns for her sons, that she wanted to get the boys and get away from him, especially for the the children's sake and safety and that's why he killed her.  Maybe Susan stood up for her sons when she had never stood up for herself and that rankled Josh.  I just don't know.  In my opinion, Josh was all about control.  JMHO

I agree, Muffy. Many women think they can change the man.  Josh was all about control, as was evidenced in his "over my dead body" comment.  Control is a major component of the battered woman syndrome, too.  Mind control through verbal, emotional and/or physical abuse.  So is ownership/ possessions. The ultimate act of abuse is murder, with the mindset of if I can't have you, nobody will.  He definitively showed that in the murder of his two sons.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 11, 2012, 11:33:56 AM
I've read that Ted Bundy was a real charmer.  Maybe Josh was able to fool Susan for a little while.  Once they were wed, maybe she was too embarrassed to admit she'd been fooled.

I'm not sure how the carpet/cleaning fluid became such an issue in previous posts.  I was simply trying to point out that there are ways to clean blood and a simple google search can produce results.  Josh was competent enough to use a computer and devious enough to clean up a spill if it served his purposes.  As for it being a red flag...well, we don't know that LE wasn't holding any info from testing back.  They don't always tell media everything they know.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 11, 2012, 11:39:23 AM
http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/139150414.html
1st responders to Powell explosion struggling with grief, anger

Quote
Hundreds of neighbors, first responders, and complete strangers turned out en masse to a Puyallup benefit Friday night, raising more than $15,000 for the grandparents of two boys killed by their father in a fire Sunday.

Friday was the first day back on the job for the firefighters who responded to Sunday's blaze. The department held what's called a "critical incident stress debrief," Franz said, in which firefighters discussed the physical and emotional impact the incident had.

Poor folks.  This will stay with them forever.  And I can't imagine how the neighbors deal with getting up every day and seeing the charred remains of the house.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 11, 2012, 11:51:41 AM
http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/139150414.html
1st responders to Powell explosion struggling with grief, anger

Quote
Hundreds of neighbors, first responders, and complete strangers turned out en masse to a Puyallup benefit Friday night, raising more than $15,000 for the grandparents of two boys killed by their father in a fire Sunday.

Friday was the first day back on the job for the firefighters who responded to Sunday's blaze. The department held what's called a "critical incident stress debrief," Franz said, in which firefighters discussed the physical and emotional impact the incident had.

Poor folks.  This will stay with them forever.  And I can't imagine how the neighbors deal with getting up every day and seeing the charred remains of the house.


It's just so utterly heartbreaking. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 11, 2012, 11:52:25 AM
Tomball cousin of Josh Powell's 911 call released .

http://www.khou.com/news/Josh-P-139133389.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 11, 2012, 11:56:38 AM
Today's service will focus on two happy boys, good memories

Charlie Powell loved to create art and couldn’t get enough of bugs.
His little brother, Braden, liked the movie “Cars” and dressed as the Transformer Bumblebee for Halloween.
Family and friends of the little boys will be focusing on memories such as those Saturday when they gather to remember the two brothers.
“(The family) said we want there to be reinserted some happiness about these children,” said Dean Curry, pastor of Life Center Church, where Saturday’s memorial service will be held.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/10/2021304/service-will-focus-on-two-happy.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 11, 2012, 11:58:30 AM
Funeral coverage for Charlie and Braden Powell begins at 10:30 a.m.

http://www.kirotv.com/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 11, 2012, 12:01:53 PM
Service for Powell boys will be 'about who they were, not how they died'

The pastor speaking at Saturday's memorial service for Charlie and Braden said he intends to make it about the "best moment" in the slain boys' lives and not about the "wickedness" that led their father to kill them.

“I think it’s healthy to grieve," Pastor Dean Curry said Friday. "If you hear a story like this and you’re not heartbroken, go see a professional immediately. This is as dark and as sad as it gets."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-purple-bows-line-streets-near-charlie-powells-elementary-school-20120210,0,3682030.story


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 12:11:41 PM
I've read that Ted Bundy was a real charmer.  Maybe Josh was able to fool Susan for a little while.  Once they were wed, maybe she was too embarrassed to admit she'd been fooled.

I'm not sure how the carpet/cleaning fluid became such an issue in previous posts.  I was simply trying to point out that there are ways to clean blood and a simple google search can produce results.  Josh was competent enough to use a computer and devious enough to clean up a spill if it served his purposes.  As for it being a red flag...well, we don't know that LE wasn't holding any info from testing back.  They don't always tell media everything they know.

ITA, KittyMom.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501363_162-57375220/911-call-worker-says-josh-powell-exploded-home/
 ::snipping2::
Susan Powell's father said that when police went to the family home after she was reported missing, they found a wet spot in the house being dried by two fans. Police have not commented further on what they found.
 ::snipping2::
"We have circumstantial evidence that I'm not allowed to talk about it," he said. (
West Valley, Utah, Police Chief Buzz Nielsen)
 ::snipping2::

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Josh probably did Google how to clean it up, but that would be on his computer too.

So nJosh cooks, Susan gets sick and goes to bed after dinner.  He takes the kids and goes camping, and said Susan stayed home to clean up a RED stain.  But she disappears before he gets home.  And meanwhile the police find the stain before he gets home.

So either she gets up from being sick, cleans the stain and then runs away.

Or, Josh cleans the stain before he goes on the camping trip.

And why say it is RED, why not orange,pink or purple?

To me, this is as telling as J2K saying Natalee fell out of the car at the HI and hit her head!

I can see why the police might hold back evidence of blood in the carpet.  Susan could have bled onto the carpet near the spot at anytime - she did live there.  Her blood on the carpet would be circumstantial - unable to prove a crime was committed and/ or when the blood was spilled there.

Anyway it went down, it (the carpet stain/cleaning)  just seemed odd to me and even odder that it wasn't mentioned much again.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 11, 2012, 12:19:15 PM
 ::snipping2::

The service will be at 11 a.m. at Life Center Church. A private family interment will take place on Monday at Woodbine Cemetery, Puyallup.

KOMO News will stream the memorial service live online, starting at 11 a.m.


http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Community-readies-to-say-goodbye-to-Powells-children-139152069.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 11, 2012, 12:43:50 PM
not sure if this has been posted,geezze a sorta bribe,just for some common
respect,for 2 little boys who  prob  knew nothing, about  our worlds, probs
 with crazies and eccentrics

Posted at 10:58 AM ET, 02/10/2012
Josh Powell’s sons’ funeral protest cancelled by Westboro Church in exchange for air time

By Elizabeth Flock
The Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is standing down.
 ::snipping2::
The Topeka-Kansas hate group had planned to picket Saturday’s funeral of Charlie and Braden Powell, murdered Sunday by their father Josh Powell. But hours after a Seattle-based Catholic talk radio show offered the church a segment in exchange for not picketing the funeral, a leader of the WBC said they would “stand down
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/josh-powell-funeral-protest-cancelled-by-westboro-church/2012/02/10/gIQAf7S73Q_blog.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 11, 2012, 12:46:53 PM
live local stream of braden and charlie service
http://www.komonews.com/live


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 11, 2012, 01:14:12 PM
Why did Josh's doorbell work? I figured he took more care in his diabolical plan than that. The electric should have been cut at the breaker box.

When someone plugs in a laptop transformer, the AC/Heat kicks on, or rings a doorbell it creates a tiny spark. Sometimes you can see it, sometimes you can't, depends on the lighting. But be sure it is there.

I wonder if the social worker thought she heard it because she was just pushing the button? Or she actually did? (doorbell)

With all those fumes around... I'm surprised the UPS guy didn't light his short hairs. I know about gas fumes all too well. In the 80's
one of my uncles went to start a bonfire. He threw the match in, but was standing down wind in the fumes. It burnt off all his
chest hair. It took weeks before we could tell he was surprised again.... cause he had no eye brows.

He is actually an intelligent guy with a degree and everything... although, you wouldn't know it on that specific day.
I guess we all drop a clanger every now and again.... but I do like to take notes from others. I find it to be good for
my health and safety.
::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 11, 2012, 01:41:46 PM
Charlie and Braden Powell Funeral Program
http://www.scribd.com/doc/81300082/Charlie-and-Braden-Powell-Funeral-Program


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 11, 2012, 01:46:36 PM
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/2/4104382699.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/745780/2576989)

(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/2/4104390459.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/745781/4337630)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 11, 2012, 01:52:59 PM
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/11/10382339-thousands-expected-to-mourn-powell-boys-killed-in-arson
Thousands expected to mourn Powell boys killed in arson


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 11, 2012, 01:57:04 PM
KIRO has their chopper up and the parking lot is packed

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/funeral-coverage-braden-and-charlie-powell-begins-/nHZsx/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 11, 2012, 01:59:41 PM
Charlie and Braden will be buried together in one blue casket according to KIRO

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/funeral-coverage-braden-and-charlie-powell-begins-/nHZsx/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 11, 2012, 02:00:24 PM
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/full/514890397.jpg?Expires=1328987458&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=qa408oCfaE9mC2q9owRHzVSxHX6jkdETF7uw8z7KRk-IhhY-XWY-LsdFcr4BGWZYwLyPoixYTCnAzuzdtrMR05UhZuS6EMqufVimazdhyqIvLTL9mp~pHDp5LO0MDoDsEl6w6Za83xzX8yrFfWCK-HZq0LqeLWB1Um2YrCnfUXI_)
http://twitpic.com/photos/Brooke4Trib (http://twitpic.com/photos/Brooke4Trib)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 11, 2012, 02:11:53 PM
A motorcycle group has shown up on their own and created a human shield to prevent people from taking pictures of the casket.  They seem to be staying outside to ensure nothing will disrupt the services.  God Bless them  ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/funeral-coverage-braden-and-charlie-powell-begins-/nHZsx/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 11, 2012, 02:13:22 PM
(https://p.twimg.com/AlY9yCFCQAAFYCu.jpg)
https://twitter.com/#!/ksl_sandrayi (https://twitter.com/#!/ksl_sandrayi)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2012, 02:15:25 PM
http://www.ksl.com/

(http://www.ksl.com/emedia/slc/2496/249671/24967132.jpg)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 11, 2012, 02:16:08 PM
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc.com/46352505/?ocid=twitter#46352505 (http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc.com/46352505/?ocid=twitter#46352505)

Live now on here too.
They need a bigger church.......
So sad!!!!!!!!          ::crymonkey2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 11, 2012, 02:17:15 PM
local live inside the life center
http://www.komonews.com/live


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 11, 2012, 03:04:02 PM
Edit-
Trimm, you will need to  upload images to photobucket, image shack and etc. if you want to use images from the site where you had tried to use an image.  They don't allow hot linking.  I believe it's a bandwidth issue. MB


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 11, 2012, 03:33:06 PM
Had to google hotlinking.

Did anyone say how many people attended?
Looked like standing room was full too..
 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 11, 2012, 03:57:13 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel::

http://**/sltrib/news/53493836-78/powell-charlie-cox-family.html.csp?page=1

Thousands attend funeral for Susan Powell’s boys
By nate carlisle, Melinda Rogers and Brooke Adams
The Salt Lake Tribune
First published 2 hours ago
Updated 1 minute ago Updated Feb 11, 2012 01:40PM

Tacoma, Wash. • Amid tight security, a huge line snaked from the entrance through the parking lot of Life Center Church here Saturday as friends, family members and dozens of people who never even knew Charlie and Braden Powell gathered to pay final respects to the boys murdered last Sunday by their father.

Opening the memorial service, Dean Curry, lead pastor of Life Center Church, said it was a time of remembering "two beautiful boys, works of art," and to set aside the anger and acrimony associated with the circumstances of their deaths.
 ::snipping2::
The boys’ grandparents, Chuck and Judy Cox, briefly took the platform to thank the thousands of people who had reached out to them "through this trial that we’ve endured" with "support and prayers of people of all faiths." Those sentiments helped "us to be strong, and helps us to know that there are good people in the world."

Chuck Cox closed by saying he and his wife were comforted by believing that the boys "are with their mother" in heaven.

Charlie Powell’s kindergarten teacher remembered the 7-year-old’s wit, intelligence and love of nature. "He was an amazing young man. He had an appreciation of nature I had never seen in someone so young," she said, recalling he loved to collect bugs, rocks and plants. Charlie even helped produce a book on "How to Grow Plants," the teacher said, going so far as to design a cover with "a detailed bar code" and offering "free seeds to the first 100 people who purchased the book."

Braden Powell’s teachers recalled the 5-year-old as having "a sharp mind and big imagination," illustrated with his creations from Tinker Toys and Legos. He was also described as a "budding puzzle master . ... with contagious, joyful energy."
 ::snipping2::
Tim Sloan, a friend of the Cox family, underscored the memorial service’s theme as "a celebration of life," though he acknowledged that, "We still at times feel an emptiness and sorrow for why and how this tragedy could happen."

Addressing both "friends and family knit together" in their grief, Sloan said all shared the question: "Where do we go from here when we hurt so badly ... is there no balm in Gilead? Oh God where art thou, we may ask. ... Where can we anchor our hope and longing for comfort?"

The answer, he said, was to "trust God for what we cannot comprehend," and to know that "God’s plan for us is one of happiness. . . . for all that is broken, all that is hurting, all that is unfair ... we can trust him [as an] anchor of faith and hope [to help us] get through the sorrow we feel for Charlie and Braden."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2012, 04:00:34 PM
Edit-
Trimm, you will need to  upload images to photobucket, image shack and etc. if you want to use images from the site where you had tried to use an image.  They don't allow hot linking.  I believe it's a bandwidth issue. MB

That's exactly what the issue is and really you should save the image to your PC then upload to photobucket or flickr or one of those.  I haven't seen this problem in a long time but it is perfectly understandable.

It's not always a problem but when they have bandwidth issues it becomes a problem for them.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 11, 2012, 04:07:06 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hCOgu-jqhT7i2xV40hoR3P6dgpew?docId=634ed372f46945f19944dd2f7368ef93

Family, teachers remember Powell boys in Tacoma
By RACHEL LA CORTE, Associated Press – 4 minutes ago

 ::snipping2::
More than 1,000 people attended Saturday's public funeral at Life Center Church in Tacoma, Wash. Many of those attending wore purple and blue ribbons in memory of Charlie and Braden.

At the service, two teachers shared their memories and read letters from other instructors who had interacted with the boys.

Charlie was remembered as a kid fascinated with science and insects, often trying to sneak worms or caterpillars into the classroom. He was about to get glasses and loved to write, dreaming up plans to market his books.

"He is safe in his mother's arms," said Tammy Ougheon, Charlie's kindergarten teacher in Utah.

His younger brother, Braden, preferred cars and trains, teachers remembered, and last Halloween got to dress up as a Transformer. Braden, teachers said, loved to be tickled.

"His little spirit lives on in the hearts of all who knew him," said Kristie King, an instructor at a YMCA that Braden attended.
 ::snipping2:: 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: ISpy on February 11, 2012, 04:07:49 PM
Reading at Blink On Crime this afternoon and the generator story Josh told is bothering Blink.  It's bothering me too.  Josh gave specific directions to shut off the utilities. Why do we use utilities? For heat, water, and light where we live. This is probably wishful thinking on my part, but I wouldn't put it past the Powells to have a live Susan stashed somewhere. Josh was very methodical in his planning.  People bent on committing suicide (much less a double murder-suicide) aren't worrying about utilities. The utilities are important to Josh for a reason and Sister Dearest knows where those utilities are located and how to shut them off.  Both Steve and Josh seem so vindictive, killing Susan seems almost too easy. The only other thing that comes to mind for utilities, is that the Powells have cartoon-caricature incest or real child porn (maybe involving the boys) somewhere in their possession.  I would not be surprised if Steve/Josh weren't producing it and it "stars" family members. I'd like to know who Michael and Alina Powell have been communicating with in the last two years, as well as Nathan Leake.  Since the Powell adult children lived in Steven's house and Josh supposedly lived in the totally destroyed rental, Josh wouldn't need any utilities turned off at either of those two locations. So, giving Alina instructions to turn off the utilities means she'd have to know where.  Doesn't that make her an accessory after the fact, knowing Josh was violating the terms of custodial visits with respect to establishing a residence, independent of Steve?  Considering she was the recipient of his bank funds, he would have had to have known in advance her bank routing & transit # and account#. So, when did she give it or deposit tickets to him? Was the money deposited via teller, ATM, Night Depository, or Automatic Transfer?  I'm just not buying her whole story-waaay to many holes, inconsistencies, inexplicable answers to simple questions like Josh's address.  Why would a soon-to-be dead man need $7K?  The $7k, plus the utilities comment, almost sounds like someone being paid the final installment for keeping someone to me.  Just my opinions.

BBM

Edit to add link.  MB    http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/02/05/susan-powell-husband-josh-powell-murders-kids-commits-suicide-during-supervised-visitation/comment-page-10/#comments  Blink's comment on the generator is comment #35.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 11, 2012, 04:13:59 PM
I have been wracking my small brain for 1 or 2 days. There is just no good reason to have a comforter lying around with blood stains on it.

Wash it, pitch it, get a new one... is my motto. If you hang on to one... you either have hygiene issues, are a nut, or perhaps both at the same time?

The worst I had on mine was slobber once... when I was really tired... I try never to bleed on it.

I think that might add up to something. I can't wait until they announce the results.
---------
Stained comforter in Powell unit tests positive for blood
By KOMO Staff and Associated Press Published: Feb 10, 2012 at 1:29 PM PST
Last Updated: Feb 10, 2012 at 3:29 PM PST

 ::snipping2::
According to a search warrant document obtained by KOMO News, the green-blue-and-pink comforter was found in a storage unit that Josh Powell had rented in the Tacoma area.

A stain was found on the comforter that tested positive for blood in field tests.

Pierce County Prosecutor Mark Lindquist said the presumptive test was conducted with a field kit and that a determination of blood won't be confirmed until the item is examined in the lab. "Field tests are not infallible," he said. ::snipping2::

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Stained-comforter-in-Powell-storage-unit-to-be-tested-for-blood-139117619.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cadillac on February 11, 2012, 04:51:40 PM
I have been wracking my small brain for 1 or 2 days. There is just no good reason to have a comforter lying around with blood stains on it.

Wash it, pitch it, get a new one... is my motto. If you hang on to one... you either have hygiene issues, are a nut, or perhaps both at the same time?

The worst I had on mine was slobber once... when I was really tired... I try never to bleed on it.

I think that might add up to something. I can't wait until they announce the results.
---------
Stained comforter in Powell unit tests positive for blood
By KOMO Staff and Associated Press Published: Feb 10, 2012 at 1:29 PM PST
Last Updated: Feb 10, 2012 at 3:29 PM PST

 ::snipping2::
According to a search warrant document obtained by KOMO News, the green-blue-and-pink comforter was found in a storage unit that Josh Powell had rented in the Tacoma area.

A stain was found on the comforter that tested positive for blood in field tests.

Pierce County Prosecutor Mark Lindquist said the presumptive test was conducted with a field kit and that a determination of blood won't be confirmed until the item is examined in the lab. "Field tests are not infallible," he said. ::snipping2::

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Stained-comforter-in-Powell-storage-unit-to-be-tested-for-blood-139117619.html
Carpe- ITA with you about why would anyone keep a comforter that is stained- and blood stained at that.  He obviously had no intention of trying to clean it now, did he? (with it being packed up and all).

But with all due respect, women do bleed.  It will be interesting to see how much blood and the stain pattern? And of course, whose blood.

He was sick - who can reason with what he did.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 11, 2012, 04:55:51 PM
i think the utilities,josh is talking about are the software utilities
that run the susanpowell.org site

it looks funny on the pg now,and no more links to the other pgs
http://susanpowell.org/Home


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 05:02:52 PM
I have been wracking my small brain for 1 or 2 days. There is just no good reason to have a comforter lying around with blood stains on it.

Wash it, pitch it, get a new one... is my motto. If you hang on to one... you either have hygiene issues, are a nut, or perhaps both at the same time?

The worst I had on mine was slobber once... when I was really tired... I try never to bleed on it.

I think that might add up to something. I can't wait until they announce the results.
---------
Stained comforter in Powell unit tests positive for blood
By KOMO Staff and Associated Press Published: Feb 10, 2012 at 1:29 PM PST
Last Updated: Feb 10, 2012 at 3:29 PM PST

 ::snipping2::
According to a search warrant document obtained by KOMO News, the green-blue-and-pink comforter was found in a storage unit that Josh Powell had rented in the Tacoma area.

A stain was found on the comforter that tested positive for blood in field tests.

Pierce County Prosecutor Mark Lindquist said the presumptive test was conducted with a field kit and that a determination of blood won't be confirmed until the item is examined in the lab. "Field tests are not infallible," he said. ::snipping2::

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Stained-comforter-in-Powell-storage-unit-to-be-tested-for-blood-139117619.html

The comforter issue bothers me too!  As well as all the papers Josh allegedly took to the dump on Saturday.

He supposedly visited the storage unit that Saturday.  If he's going to kill the boys and himself the next day, why did he leave the bloody comforter that may link him to the murder of Susan behind to be found? Or maybe he wanted it found?

Why take the papers to the dump, when you plan on destroying yourself and the house by fire?  A fire would destroy evidence better than dumping it!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 05:06:55 PM
Reading at Blink On Crime this afternoon and the generator story Josh told is bothering Blink.  It's bothering me too.  Josh gave specific directions to shut off the utilities. Why do we use utilities? For heat, water, and light where we live. This is probably wishful thinking on my part, but I wouldn't put it past the Powells to have a live Susan stashed somewhere. Josh was very methodical in his planning.  People bent on committing suicide (much less a double murder-suicide) aren't worrying about utilities. The utilities are important to Josh for a reason and Sister Dearest knows where those utilities are located and how to shut them off.  Both Steve and Josh seem so vindictive, killing Susan seems almost too easy. The only other thing that comes to mind for utilities, is that the Powells have cartoon-caricature incest or real child porn (maybe involving the boys) somewhere in their possession.  I would not be surprised if Steve/Josh weren't producing it and it "stars" family members. I'd like to know who Michael and Alina Powell have been communicating with in the last two years, as well as Nathan Leake.  Since the Powell adult children lived in Steven's house and Josh supposedly lived in the totally destroyed rental, Josh wouldn't need any utilities turned off at either of those two locations. So, giving Alina instructions to turn off the utilities means she'd have to know where.  Doesn't that make her an accessory after the fact, knowing Josh was violating the terms of custodial visits with respect to establishing a residence, independent of Steve?  Considering she was the recipient of his bank funds, he would have had to have known in advance her bank routing & transit # and account#. So, when did she give it or deposit tickets to him? Was the money deposited via teller, ATM, Night Depository, or Automatic Transfer?  I'm just not buying her whole story-waaay to many holes, inconsistencies, inexplicable answers to simple questions like Josh's address.  Why would a soon-to-be dead man need $7K?  The $7k, plus the utilities comment, almost sounds like someone being paid the final installment for keeping someone to me.  Just my opinions.

BBM

Edit to add link.  MB    http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/02/05/susan-powell-husband-josh-powell-murders-kids-commits-suicide-during-supervised-visitation/comment-page-10/#comments  Blink's comment on the generator is comment #35.

I thought I read or heard recently that Josh was using the rental house (burned residence) as a front only for visitation, and that he was really living elsewhere.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 05:14:05 PM
Klaas - could you/ would you make a Whack-A-Mole game,  with heads of Joran, Josh, Drew and a few others being beat by the hammer?  Or a version where Joran is the mole, and Mary Hamer is whacking him back into his hole?  Or maybe both?   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2012, 05:17:44 PM
Did Josh Powell replace the new quilt with the one investigators found in the storage locker?  Could it be that Josh overlooked the blood when he put it into storage?  Could it be that investigators will have a difficult time proving that any blood/DNA detected on the comforter was part of a crime scene even if it is determined to belong to Susan?

Janet

++++

Friends and neighbors hold vigil for missing West Valley woman
December 10th, 2009 @ 10:15pm


<snipped>

Neighbor talks about conversation with Josh Powell

Earlier in the day Thursday, the Powells' neighbor talked to KSL News about a conversation he had with Josh Powell Wednesday night.

Tim Peterson said Josh asked him for a ride to pick up his van, which police had searched. He said Josh's behavior was odd and he didn't know what to make of it.

<snipped>

"He'd only had like six hours of sleep in two days, and so he was just kind of in a haze. He just really wasn't himself," Peterson said. "Anytime we mentioned Susan, he didn't, he wouldn't respond. He wouldn't talk about her."

But Peterson said Josh did talk about having to buy new clothes and a new quilt. He said Josh also told him he last saw Susan just after midnight Monday, when he left with his two young boys to go camping  ...

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=8986844


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: akmom on February 11, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
Ugh, when you put together the utilities and the $7k.....I read a book not long ago called "Room" where a man had kept a woman captive for years in a building and she had a child while there.  It was fictional, but brought to mind Jaycee Dugard.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2012, 05:32:55 PM
Reading at Blink On Crime this afternoon and the generator story Josh told is bothering Blink.  It's bothering me too.  Josh gave specific directions to shut off the utilities. Why do we use utilities? For heat, water, and light where we live. This is probably wishful thinking on my part, but I wouldn't put it past the Powells to have a live Susan stashed somewhere. Josh was very methodical in his planning.  People bent on committing suicide (much less a double murder-suicide) aren't worrying about utilities. The utilities are important to Josh for a reason and Sister Dearest knows where those utilities are located and how to shut them off.   Both Steve and Josh seem so vindictive, killing Susan seems almost too easy. The only other thing that comes to mind for utilities, is that the Powells have cartoon-caricature incest or real child porn (maybe involving the boys) somewhere in their possession.  I would not be surprised if Steve/Josh weren't producing it and it "stars" family members. I'd like to know who Michael and Alina Powell have been communicating with in the last two years, as well as Nathan Leake.  Since the Powell adult children lived in Steven's house and Josh supposedly lived in the totally destroyed rental, Josh wouldn't need any utilities turned off at either of those two locations. So, giving Alina instructions to turn off the utilities means she'd have to know where.  Doesn't that make her an accessory after the fact, knowing Josh was violating the terms of custodial visits with respect to establishing a residence, independent of Steve?  Considering she was the recipient of his bank funds, he would have had to have known in advance her bank routing & transit # and account#. So, when did she give it or deposit tickets to him? Was the money deposited via teller, ATM, Night Depository, or Automatic Transfer?  I'm just not buying her whole story-waaay to many holes, inconsistencies, inexplicable answers to simple questions like Josh's address.  Why would a soon-to-be dead man need $7K?  The $7k, plus the utilities comment, almost sounds like someone being paid the final installment for keeping someone to me.  Just my opinions.

BBM

Edit to add link.  MB    http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/02/05/susan-powell-husband-josh-powell-murders-kids-commits-suicide-during-supervised-visitation/comment-page-10/#comments  Blink's comment on the generator is comment #35.

BINGO!!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 11, 2012, 05:35:55 PM
Reading at Blink On Crime this afternoon and the generator story Josh told is bothering Blink.  It's bothering me too.  Josh gave specific directions to shut off the utilities. Why do we use utilities? For heat, water, and light where we live. This is probably wishful thinking on my part, but I wouldn't put it past the Powells to have a live Susan stashed somewhere. Josh was very methodical in his planning.  People bent on committing suicide (much less a double murder-suicide) aren't worrying about utilities. The utilities are important to Josh for a reason and Sister Dearest knows where those utilities are located and how to shut them off.  Both Steve and Josh seem so vindictive, killing Susan seems almost too easy. The only other thing that comes to mind for utilities, is that the Powells have cartoon-caricature incest or real child porn (maybe involving the boys) somewhere in their possession.  I would not be surprised if Steve/Josh weren't producing it and it "stars" family members. I'd like to know who Michael and Alina Powell have been communicating with in the last two years, as well as Nathan Leake.  Since the Powell adult children lived in Steven's house and Josh supposedly lived in the totally destroyed rental, Josh wouldn't need any utilities turned off at either of those two locations. So, giving Alina instructions to turn off the utilities means she'd have to know where.  Doesn't that make her an accessory after the fact, knowing Josh was violating the terms of custodial visits with respect to establishing a residence, independent of Steve?  Considering she was the recipient of his bank funds, he would have had to have known in advance her bank routing & transit # and account#. So, when did she give it or deposit tickets to him? Was the money deposited via teller, ATM, Night Depository, or Automatic Transfer?  I'm just not buying her whole story-waaay to many holes, inconsistencies, inexplicable answers to simple questions like Josh's address.  Why would a soon-to-be dead man need $7K?  The $7k, plus the utilities comment, almost sounds like someone being paid the final installment for keeping someone to me.  Just my opinions.

BBM

Edit to add link.  MB    http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/02/05/susan-powell-husband-josh-powell-murders-kids-commits-suicide-during-supervised-visitation/comment-page-10/#comments  Blink's comment on the generator is comment #35.

I thought I read or heard recently that Josh was using the rental house (burned residence) as a front only for visitation, and that he was really living elsewhere.

I heard that last night on Dateline as well.  The Police man from Seattle they had on said that the rental was only a front and was staged for the vistitation with the children to make it look like he lived there but in fact when he did not have the kids he was still living at Papa Steve's house.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 06:03:07 PM

I thought I read or heard recently that Josh was using the rental house (burned residence) as a front only for visitation, and that he was really living elsewhere.

I heard that last night on Dateline as well.  The Police man from Seattle they had on said that the rental was only a front and was staged for the vistitation with the children to make it look like he lived there but in fact when he did not have the kids he was still living at Papa Steve's house.

YES!  Thank you!
Edit-fix quotes.  MB




Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 11, 2012, 06:33:19 PM
Might the bloody comforter have been used in a another crime?  What if Susan wasn't his only murder?   :scratch:


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2012, 06:38:33 PM
Reading at Blink On Crime this afternoon and the generator story Josh told is bothering Blink.  It's bothering me too.  Josh gave specific directions to shut off the utilities. Why do we use utilities? For heat, water, and light where we live. This is probably wishful thinking on my part, but I wouldn't put it past the Powells to have a live Susan stashed somewhere. Josh was very methodical in his planning.  People bent on committing suicide (much less a double murder-suicide) aren't worrying about utilities. The utilities are important to Josh for a reason and Sister Dearest knows where those utilities are located and how to shut them off.   Both Steve and Josh seem so vindictive, killing Susan seems almost too easy. The only other thing that comes to mind for utilities, is that the Powells have cartoon-caricature incest or real child porn (maybe involving the boys) somewhere in their possession.  I would not be surprised if Steve/Josh weren't producing it and it "stars" family members. I'd like to know who Michael and Alina Powell have been communicating with in the last two years, as well as Nathan Leake.  Since the Powell adult children lived in Steven's house and Josh supposedly lived in the totally destroyed rental, Josh wouldn't need any utilities turned off at either of those two locations. So, giving Alina instructions to turn off the utilities means she'd have to know where.  Doesn't that make her an accessory after the fact, knowing Josh was violating the terms of custodial visits with respect to establishing a residence, independent of Steve?  Considering she was the recipient of his bank funds, he would have had to have known in advance her bank routing & transit # and account#. So, when did she give it or deposit tickets to him? Was the money deposited via teller, ATM, Night Depository, or Automatic Transfer?  I'm just not buying her whole story-waaay to many holes, inconsistencies, inexplicable answers to simple questions like Josh's address.  Why would a soon-to-be dead man need $7K?  The $7k, plus the utilities comment, almost sounds like someone being paid the final installment for keeping someone to me.  Just my opinions.

BBM

Edit to add link.  MB    http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/02/05/susan-powell-husband-josh-powell-murders-kids-commits-suicide-during-supervised-visitation/comment-page-10/#comments  Blink's comment on the generator is comment #35.

BINGO!!

According to Dateline ... Josh withdrew $7,000.00 but transferred "thousands" to who is thought to be Alina.  Could it be that Josh has a "deceased" Susan hidden in a another storage locker and ... shutting off utilities was his way of instructing his sister to keep paying the associated fees for that unit?

Janet
Edit-fix typo.  MB


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2012, 06:39:58 PM
SELF EDIT

"thousand" s/b "thousands"
Fixed.  MB


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 11, 2012, 07:00:22 PM
i posted this a pg or 2 back,and if you look at the pg,it looks like it
is going to shut down,i went to the pg the day josh killed the boys
and it was still working links to other pgs worked too,now there are
no links to the other pgs and the pg.or script for pg,is messed up
or maybe someone hacked it
i think the utilities,josh is talking about are the software utilities
that run the susanpowell.org site

it looks funny on the pg now,and no more links to the other pgs
http://susanpowell.org/Home


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 07:09:34 PM
Could the $7K and transfer of thousands be simply to avoid taxation and probate?

And the "cut off utilities" be that the utilities at Steve's house were in Josh's name?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: yuknomenot on February 11, 2012, 07:56:37 PM
Reading at Blink On Crime this afternoon and the generator story Josh told is bothering Blink.  It's bothering me too.  Josh gave specific directions to shut off the utilities. Why do we use utilities? For heat, water, and light where we live. This is probably wishful thinking on my part, but I wouldn't put it past the Powells to have a live Susan stashed somewhere. Josh was very methodical in his planning.  People bent on committing suicide (much less a double murder-suicide) aren't worrying about utilities. The utilities are important to Josh for a reason and Sister Dearest knows where those utilities are located and how to shut them off.  Both Steve and Josh seem so vindictive, killing Susan seems almost too easy. The only other thing that comes to mind for utilities, is that the Powells have cartoon-caricature incest or real child porn (maybe involving the boys) somewhere in their possession.  I would not be surprised if Steve/Josh weren't producing it and it "stars" family members. I'd like to know who Michael and Alina Powell have been communicating with in the last two years, as well as Nathan Leake.  Since the Powell adult children lived in Steven's house and Josh supposedly lived in the totally destroyed rental, Josh wouldn't need any utilities turned off at either of those two locations. So, giving Alina instructions to turn off the utilities means she'd have to know where.  Doesn't that make her an accessory after the fact, knowing Josh was violating the terms of custodial visits with respect to establishing a residence, independent of Steve?  Considering she was the recipient of his bank funds, he would have had to have known in advance her bank routing & transit # and account#. So, when did she give it or deposit tickets to him? Was the money deposited via teller, ATM, Night Depository, or Automatic Transfer?  I'm just not buying her whole story-waaay to many holes, inconsistencies, inexplicable answers to simple questions like Josh's address.  Why would a soon-to-be dead man need $7K?  The $7k, plus the utilities comment, almost sounds like someone being paid the final installment for keeping someone to me.  Just my opinions.

BBM

Edit to add link.  MB    http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/02/05/susan-powell-husband-josh-powell-murders-kids-commits-suicide-during-supervised-visitation/comment-page-10/#comments  Blink's comment on the generator is comment #35.

I thought I read or heard recently that Josh was using the rental house (burned residence) as a front only for visitation, and that he was really living elsewhere.

I heard that last night on Dateline as well.  The Police man from Seattle they had on said that the rental was only a front and was staged for the vistitation with the children to make it look like he lived there but in fact when he did not have the kids he was still living at Papa Steve's house.
But why spend all of that money to rent the house and not live in it.  With the 7k and the utilities weirdness, they need to thoroughly search wherever he has been living.  Where have his siblings (except Jennifer) been living, have they all been holed up at Steve's?  I hope they actually ran DNA after the explosion and didn't simply assume it was Josh.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 11, 2012, 08:09:39 PM
Maybe the utilities are for some other place no one knows about but his sister???? His sister got the money???
Guess we just have to wait to see what utilites were paid....
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 11, 2012, 08:24:38 PM
Pierce County sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Ed Troyer said Josh Powell sent long emails to some people, including his cousin and pastor, with instructions such as where to find his money and how to shut off his utilities.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2097449/Josh-Powell-explosion-Husband-missing-woman-Susans-words-killing-sons-hatchet.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2012, 08:27:01 PM

According to Dateline ... Josh withdrew $7,000.00 but transferred "thousands" to who is thought to be Alina.  Could it be that Josh has a "deceased" Susan hidden in a another storage locker and ... shutting off utilities was his way of instructing his sister to keep paying the associated fees for that unit?

Janet
Edit-fix typo.  MB

According to Jennifer Graves on Dateline ... Josh and Steve were thisclose.  Susan apparently had issues with the amount of time the two spent communicating.

Could it be that Steve was involved "at the very least" in the coverup?  Has all storage companies been investigated between Utah and Washington for a rental unit in Steve or Atina's name?

Somehow I believe that there were some expectations in regards to the funds suspected of being transferred to Atina.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 11, 2012, 08:33:09 PM
Powell also sent long emails detailing what to do with his money, house utilities, and other aspects of his life to cousins, his pastor, and friends just minutes before he ignited the explosion that killed himself and his children and left his house a charred ruin, Pierce County, Wash., Sheriff's Department Det. Ed Troyer said today.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powell-kill-sons-hatchet-fatal-explosion/story?id=15520394


Dispatcher: "Alina, I need you to calm down, okay? What else did the e-mails say?"

Sister: "Nothing. He just... He just... He sent several e-mails saying stuff about how to handle his properties and how to handle his utilities. I don't know. It was just an e-mail"

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/911-recording-released-from-Josh-Powells-worried/W9bZsNdV2E6AG7HpJxfE8Q.cspx

Alina tells the 911 operator propertie"S", which means there was more than one property.  The house in Utah was being rented out but Josh still owned it, Josh rented the house he blew up but was still supposedly living in Daddy's house.  What other properties?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 08:50:41 PM
$7K => money to bury him?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 11, 2012, 08:56:12 PM
$7K => money to bury him?

Now how much does it take to put him in a F'g can and throw it away.
::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 09:00:27 PM
$7K => money to bury him?

Now how much does it take to put him in a F'g can and throw it away.
::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyLaugh::   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil2:: 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2012, 10:49:12 PM
Powell also sent long emails detailing what to do with his money, house utilities, and other aspects of his life to cousins, his pastor, and friends just minutes before he ignited the explosion that killed himself and his children and left his house a charred ruin, Pierce County, Wash., Sheriff's Department Det. Ed Troyer said today.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powell-kill-sons-hatchet-fatal-explosion/story?id=15520394


Dispatcher: "Alina, I need you to calm down, okay? What else did the e-mails say?"

Sister: "Nothing. He just... He just... He sent several e-mails saying stuff about how to handle his properties and how to handle his utilities. I don't know. It was just an e-mail"

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/911-recording-released-from-Josh-Powells-worried/W9bZsNdV2E6AG7HpJxfE8Q.cspx

Alina tells the 911 operator propertie"S", which means there was more than one property.  The house in Utah was being rented out but Josh still owned it, Josh rented the house he blew up but was still supposedly living in Daddy's house.  What other properties?

Storage locker?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 11, 2012, 10:50:20 PM
Klaas - could you/ would you make a Whack-A-Mole game,  with heads of Joran, Josh, Drew and a few others being beat by the hammer?  Or a version where Joran is the mole, and Mary Hamer is whacking him back into his hole?  Or maybe both?   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::
I would if I had the time.  Maybe later tomorrow  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 11, 2012, 11:27:29 PM

According to Jennifer Graves on Dateline ... Josh and Steve were thisclose.  Susan apparently had issues with the amount of time the two spent communicating.

Could it be that Steve was involved "at the very least" in the coverup?  Has all storage companies been investigated between Utah and Washington for a rental unit in Steve or Atina's name?

Somehow I believe that there were some expectations in regards to the funds suspected of being transferred to Atina.

Janet

 

Properties?  Utilities?

911 audio: Powell’s sister reports disturbing emails

In this audio from a February 5, 2012 call to 911, Alina Powell reports that her brother, Josh Powell, has sent her disturbing emails and that she is worried about his safety.

http://today.seattletimes.com/2012/02/911-audio-from-josh-powells-sister-boys-caseworker/
http://video.seattletimes.com/1439543778001/911-audio-powells-sister-reports-disturbing-emails/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 12, 2012, 12:12:23 AM
I wanted to clear up some things that had been bugging me. So, I went over the search warrant again and some other things.

==========

*correct colors of comforter (per official WA State Search Warrant)


gray/pink/blue comforter with initial testing showing blood.

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2012/02/10/DocumentView.cfm.pdf

---

KIRO TV

"Our test just shows that it has blood markers," Pierce County Sheriff's Detective Ed Troyer said. "It doesn't tell you sex, it doesn't tell you whose blood it is, or even if it's human or not."

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/comforter-found-powell-storage-unit-be-tested/nHZZJ/

----

Excerpt from search warrant:

THROUGH A PRIOR INVESTIGATION - with the West Valley Police Dept. (UTAH), Det. Sanders

had knowledge about a storage unit rented by Powell at Western Self Storage in Sumner, WA

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2012/02/10/DocumentView.cfm.pdf

---

KIRO TV

More information about 'incestuous' images on Powell computer

 

Investigators said Friday that images found on Josh Powell's computer more than two years ago were initially in a file format difficult to open, but once that was accomplished, officials found realistic-looking animations that depicted incestuous scenarios and child pornography.

 

"It's of adults and kids, and it appears to be a family setting, but it becomes sexually involved with all the characters," Troyer said.

 

Those images came up during a custody hearing a week and a half ago, when the 29-year-old Powell was ordered to undergo a psychosexual evaluation and lie detector test.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/comforter-found-powell-storage-unit-be-tested/nHZZJ/

-----

Rough time line: (still fuzzy - order may not be right)


Bank of America in Puyallup at 11:20 a.m. on Saturday when Powell withdrew $7,000.  It is not yet clear what he did with the money.

* SEARCH WARRANT READS - $6,500

Detectives said that also on Saturday, Powell may have taken papers to the recycling center at a landfill.

Powell also visited a Goodwill store and donated his sons’ toys and other items

Western Self Storage, Sumner,WA

Fred Meyers store - purchases gas can(s) and a pack of sterno. (Dateline NBC)

Filled two gas cans at a local gas station.

 He then left voice messages and sent emails to several people, saying goodbye.


MULTIPLE SOURCES:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/police-piecing-together-timeline-powells-movements/nHZKB/

SEARCH WARRANT

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2012/02/10/DocumentView.cfm.pdf

Dateline NBC


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: 4getUnot on February 12, 2012, 12:59:27 AM
Carpe, I tried to quote and highlight in your above post but alas I must be doing something wrong.  Anyway in the above post where you are talking about the timeline and you are showing

" Fred Meyers store - purchases gas can(s) and a pack of sterno. (Dateline NBC)"

Do you or any other monkeys have any idea what the pack of sterno was for.  Any spark would set the gas in the house on fire so it doesn't seem possible that he could even light the sterno, so what do you think it was for?  This is another thing that makes me go hmmmmmm. Anybody else???




Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 12, 2012, 01:52:14 AM
Carpe, I tried to quote and highlight in your above post but alas I must be doing something wrong.  Anyway in the above post where you are talking about the timeline and you are showing

" Fred Meyers store - purchases gas can(s) and a pack of sterno. (Dateline NBC)"

Do you or any other monkeys have any idea what the pack of sterno was for.  Any spark would set the gas in the house on fire so it doesn't seem possible that he could even light the sterno, so what do you think it was for?  This is another thing that makes me go hmmmmmm. Anybody else???




4getUnot -

I wondered that myself. The only thing I could come up with was that if anyone asked him what he was planning, he could simply say
a backyard cookout for the Superbowl... or something along those lines. To not raise any suspicion.

I still can't wrap my head around the fact that the social worker said he had a working doorbell. If that worked, he most likely had power
still on in the house. If she could smell gas from the door - then that means he had already distributed much of it through out the house.

Without cutting the power? Holy mackerel.

If that is the case - dude is a psycho from a whole different solar system. I wouldn't even THINK the word spark in that house.

I thought of lighting the sterno and throwing it... but... he'd never have to worry about the throwing it part. ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 12, 2012, 03:43:14 AM
Carpe, I tried to quote and highlight in your above post but alas I must be doing something wrong.  Anyway in the above post where you are talking about the timeline and you are showing

" Fred Meyers store - purchases gas can(s) and a pack of sterno. (Dateline NBC)"

Do you or any other monkeys have any idea what the pack of sterno was for.  Any spark would set the gas in the house on fire so it doesn't seem possible that he could even light the sterno, so what do you think it was for?  This is another thing that makes me go hmmmmmm. Anybody else???




4getUnot -

I wondered that myself. The only thing I could come up with was that if anyone asked him what he was planning, he could simply say
a backyard cookout for the Superbowl... or something along those lines. To not raise any suspicion.

I still can't wrap my head around the fact that the social worker said he had a working doorbell. If that worked, he most likely had power
still on in the house. If she could smell gas from the door - then that means he had already distributed much of it through out the house.

Without cutting the power? Holy mackerel.

If that is the case - dude is a psycho from a whole different solar system. I wouldn't even THINK the word spark in that house.

I thought of lighting the sterno and throwing it... but... he'd never have to worry about the throwing it part. ::HelloKitty::


IMO:

Gasoline was used to burn the house very quickly. 

Gasoline is a flammable liquid as defined by the Department of Transportation in 49 CFR.  A flammable liquid is a liquid having a flash point below 141 degrees Fahrenheit.  The flash point is the minimum temperature of a liquid where it will give off sufficient vapors to form an ignitable mixture in air.  The flash point of gasoline (depending on grade) is about -44 degrees F.  An explosive functions either by detonation (rate of decomposition faster than the speed of sound) or deflagration (very rapid burning). 

Sterno used to explode the house.
"UNUSUAL FIRE AND EXPLOSION HAZARD: Closed cans exposed to flame and heat may erupt, scattering"
http://www.sterno.com/retail/PDFs/Sterno%20Consumer%20MSDS-Gel%20Fuel.pdf


~~~~~
I know a doorbell or flipped switch can explode a house filled with Natural gas.  But would they ignite a gasoline fire? Are there enough gas fumes present?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 12, 2012, 04:09:29 AM
Carpe, I tried to quote and highlight in your above post but alas I must be doing something wrong.  Anyway in the above post where you are talking about the timeline and you are showing

" Fred Meyers store - purchases gas can(s) and a pack of sterno. (Dateline NBC)"

Do you or any other monkeys have any idea what the pack of sterno was for.  Any spark would set the gas in the house on fire so it doesn't seem possible that he could even light the sterno, so what do you think it was for?  This is another thing that makes me go hmmmmmm. Anybody else???




One more thought - He may have wrapped it and presented it to Charlie as a gift... or handed it to him in a store bag... to give the boys something to focus on.

He was that sick. ::MonkeyTears:: 

Jamcakes -

Static electricity can set off gas fumes.

You could be right though, seeing how she rang the doorbell repeatedly and lived to talk about it!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 12, 2012, 07:01:20 AM
http://www.nwherald.com/2012/02/12/family-teachers-remember-powell-boys-in-tacoma/a3m3d3m/
Family, teachers remember Powell boys in Tacoma
By RACHEL LA CORTE - The Associated Press Created: Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:30 a.m. CST


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 12, 2012, 11:28:48 AM
since the doorbell worked,and the sparking didnt ignite the house,maybe thats
what the sterno was for a ready made Molotov cocktail

can the LE get a search warrant, to search dads house again,if josh was using
the house he blew up as a front,for the DHS,ill bet he still had what ever was
important to him stored at dads

i dont get the animation thing not being porn,in penthouse, playboy,and other
more hard core mags,the cartoons are considered porn,at least i think they are


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 12, 2012, 12:02:18 PM
Jmo, the pack of sterno's were to guarantee(they would ignite) that nothing would be left after everything went up in flames.
 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 12, 2012, 12:16:17 PM
SternoBomb                                                                                                                                                                
 One of the simplest bombs to make is the converted sterno can. It will provide some bang and a widely dispersed spray of jellied fire. Remove the lid from a standard, commercially purchased can and punch a hold in the center big enough for the firecracker fuse. Take a large spoonful of jelly out of the center to make room for the firecracker. Insert the firecracker and pull the fuse up through the hole in the lid. When in place, cement around the hole with epoxy glue. Put some more glue around the rim of the can and reseal the lid. Wipe the can and wash off excess with rubbing alcohol. A cancerette [sic] fuse should be used. The can could also be taped around a bottle with Molotov mixture and ignited.

http://onlosthighway.tripod.com/id4.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 12, 2012, 12:23:56 PM
Hazardous Classifications

U.N. CLASSES & DIVISIONS - Definitions & Examples

1.1 A detonating or otherwise maximum explosion hazard. Example: TNT.

1.2 An explosive charge with a projection hazard Example: Cannon shells. Bombs.

1.3 An explosive device described as a rapid combustion as opposed to a violent detonation.Examples: Rocket motors, special fireworks (a la Fourth of July), flash powders (used by rock groups in concerts.)

1.4 Certain manufactured articles that may contain component parts that are division 1.1 or 1.3 Explosives but in such limited quantities and packaged in such a way as to be considered a minor hazard. Examples: small arms ammunition, rivet gun charges, common fireworks, such as sparklers, toy torpedoes, etc.

1.5 Explosive material tested and found to so insensitive that there is very little probability of accidental initiation to explosion. Example: Construction and demolition explosives - NOTE: VERY RIGID TESTING AND APPROVAL PROCESS REQUIRED.

1.6 Extremely insensitive explosives that do not have a mass explosion hazard and Demonstrate a negligible probability of accidental initiation or propagation. These materials are designated by the National Competent Authority of the country of manufacture.

2.1 FLAMMABLE GAS - A compressed gas that ignites when subjected to a source of ignition in a mixture of 13% or less with air, or produces a flame projection from an open valve when exposed to an ignition source, or causes a flame propagation when exposed to open fire. Examples: Propane, Butane, and LPG.

2.2 NON-FLAMMABLE GAS - Any compressed gas other than a flammable gas (2.2) or a toxic gas (2.3). Examples: Helium, Nitrogen, Argon.

2.3 TOXIC GAS - A gas that can cause death due to very small exposure to the gas. Example: Phosgene (gas),


3 FLAMMABLE LIQUID - Any liquid with a flash point 140°F (60°C) Examples: Ethanol, Perfumes, Nail Polish.Gasoline

4.1 FLAMMABLE SOLID - Any solid material, other than an explosive, which is liable to cause fires through friction or which can be ignited readily and when ignited it burns so vigorously and persistently as to create a serious transportation risk. This division also includes self-reactive substances that can undergo strong exothermic reactions and desensitized explosives that may explode if not diluted sufficiently (wetted).Examples: Aluminum Powder (friction); Solidified Alcohol (STERNO) (easily ignitable); Benzene Sulpho-hydrazide (self-reactive) Zirconium Powder, wetted (desensitized explosive)

4.2 SUBSTANCES LIABLE TO SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION - materials that are liable to heat up during transportation or in contact with air and liable to catch fire. Examples: Wet Rags or Wet Cotton or Activated Charcoal or PYROPHORIC LIQUIDS.


4.3 SUBSTANCES WHICH, IN CONTACT WITH WATER, EMIT FLAMMABLE GASES (DANGEROUS WHEN WET MATERIALS) - by interaction with water, the materials are liable to become spontaneously flammable or give off flammable gases. Examples: Sodium (explodes on contact with water); Lithium (gives off flammable gases upon contact with water)

5.1 OXIDIZERS - A substance such as chlorates or nitrates that yields oxygen in a fire causing more intense flame and heat. Examples: Food Additives and Food in Powder Form (grain mills and silos that explode); OXYGEN GENERATORS - ValuJet!. Pool chemicals - chlorine powder.

5.2 ORGANIC PEROXIDES - An organic compound containing bivalent -O-O- structure and which may be considered a derivative of hydrogen peroxide where one or more of the hydrogen atoms have been replaced by organic radicals. Example: Dibenzoyl Peroxide -
used for treating acne - in it's purest form it is an explosive!

6.1 TOXIC SUBSTANCES - Liquids or solids that are known or presumed to cause death by either by absorption through the skin or through ingestion or by inhalation of dusts or mists. Examples: Cyanide Solid and Cyanide Solutions.

6.2 INFECTIOUS SUBSTANCES - Viable micro-organisms or their toxins that may cause human or animal diseases; genetically engineered micro-organisms. Examples: Measles and Smallpox; HIV (aids).

7 RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL - Any material that spontaneously emits ionizing radiation and has a specific activity greater than 74 Bq. per gram (0.002 microcuries per gram). Note curies are no longer used to measure activity. The not-so-new International Standard is
"BECQUERELS (Bq)".

8 CORROSIVE MATERIAL - Any liquid or solid that causes destruction of skin or a liquid that has a severe corrosion rate on steel (quarter inch per year). Examples: Nitric Acid (liquid), Sodium Hydroxide Solid.

9 Miscellaneous Dangerous Goods - Materials that do not meet the definition of hazard classes 1 through 8 but may present a hazard during transportation; or, materials that have anesthetic, noxious or similar properties, that can cause extreme annoyance or discomfort to crewmembers so as to prevent the correct performance of their duties in the event of a spill on an aircraft; or, materials shipped at elevated temperatures; or, materials that are hazardous substances, or hazardous wastes, or marine pollutants that can adversely affect the environment over a period of time.

ORM-D* CONSUMER COMMODITIES - Small quantities of hazardous materials that meet the definition of CONSUMER COMMODITY and qualify as LIMITED QUANTITIES for the hazard class. Examples: most aerosols, cosmetics.

COMBUSTIBLE LIQUIDS* - Any liquid with a flash point at or above 100 degrees F. and below 200 degrees F. Examples: diesel fuel, home heating fuel, kerosene and other high flashpoint liquids that represent a minor flammable risk.

* THESE CLASSIFICATIONS ONLY EXIST IN THE U.S.A.

http://www.r-a-specialists.com/hazlibrary/haz.shtml


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: 4getUnot on February 12, 2012, 03:54:09 PM
Thank you Carpe and All Monkeys who jumped in to give your thoughts on the Sterno.  IMO the sterno goes over the top when the gasoline everywhere is probably enough.  Just like the hatchet when he knew they would all die from fire and smoke. 

I found this article that only increases my suspicions when I wonder why he seemingly went over the top on a few things and then concerned himself with other things like the utilities, WTH if he is dead why does that matter?
 
http://gonebutnotforgotten.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/police-calling-powell-house-explosion-crime-scene-ksl-com/
::snipping2::
(CNN) — Josh Powell and his two young sons — whose wife and mother, respectively, went missing more than two years ago — were killed early Sunday afternoon in an explosion at their home in Washington state, a sheriff’s spokesman said.

Pierce County Sheriff’s Department spokesman Ed Troyer said that a medical examiner has not definitively identified the bodies, but “we believe it is the three of them.”
::snipping2::

I would definitely make sure that is Josh and his sons and not some other poor souls that Josh used to cover his tracks.  Don't under estimate anyone or anything.



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: 4getUnot on February 12, 2012, 03:57:33 PM
oops I probably should have included this link as well
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/05/us/washington-powell-explosion/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 12, 2012, 04:58:58 PM
Some doorbells are battery powered and continue to work when the electricity is cut off or there is a power outage.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 12, 2012, 05:25:52 PM
Thank you Carpe and All Monkeys who jumped in to give your thoughts on the Sterno.  IMO the sterno goes over the top when the gasoline everywhere is probably enough.  Just like the hatchet when he knew they would all die from fire and smoke. 

I found this article that only increases my suspicions when I wonder why he seemingly went over the top on a few things and then concerned himself with other things like the utilities, WTH if he is dead why does that matter?
 
http://gonebutnotforgotten.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/police-calling-powell-house-explosion-crime-scene-ksl-com/
::snipping2::
(CNN) — Josh Powell and his two young sons — whose wife and mother, respectively, went missing more than two years ago — were killed early Sunday afternoon in an explosion at their home in Washington state, a sheriff’s spokesman said.

Pierce County Sheriff’s Department spokesman Ed Troyer said that a medical examiner has not definitively identified the bodies, but “we believe it is the three of them.”
::snipping2::

I would definitely make sure that is Josh and his sons and not some other poor souls that Josh used to cover his tracks.  Don't under estimate anyone or anything.



What a devious plan.....!

I hope the boys are/were positively ID'd before interment tomorrow.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: yuknomenot on February 12, 2012, 05:57:59 PM
Thank you Carpe and All Monkeys who jumped in to give your thoughts on the Sterno.  IMO the sterno goes over the top when the gasoline everywhere is probably enough.  Just like the hatchet when he knew they would all die from fire and smoke. 

I found this article that only increases my suspicions when I wonder why he seemingly went over the top on a few things and then concerned himself with other things like the utilities, WTH if he is dead why does that matter?
 
http://gonebutnotforgotten.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/police-calling-powell-house-explosion-crime-scene-ksl-com/
::snipping2::
(CNN) — Josh Powell and his two young sons — whose wife and mother, respectively, went missing more than two years ago — were killed early Sunday afternoon in an explosion at their home in Washington state, a sheriff’s spokesman said.

Pierce County Sheriff’s Department spokesman Ed Troyer said that a medical examiner has not definitively identified the bodies, but “we believe it is the three of them.”
::snipping2::

I would definitely make sure that is Josh and his sons and not some other poor souls that Josh used to cover his tracks.  Don't under estimate anyone or anything.


Thanks for catching that about the IDs, it was one of the concerns I posted a page or 2 back. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 12, 2012, 06:47:19 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/12/search-resumes-at-recycling-center-in-case-josh-powell/

Search resumes at recycling center in case of Josh Powell
Published February 12, 2012

PUYALLUP, Wash. –  The Pierce County sheriff's office says a search has resumed at a recycling center near Puyallup, Wash., for papers that Josh Powell is believed to have dumped before he killed himself and his two sons in a house fire last week.

Detective Ed Troyer says the search is expected to last all day Sunday.

 ::snipping2::

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/12/search-resumes-at-recycling-center-in-case-josh-powell/#ixzz1mDKpdR00


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 12, 2012, 07:31:53 PM
Did you get a chance to read THE POTENTATE'S CPS filing? (just endless rambling - reminds me of Blagojevich)

http://www.seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2012/02/josh-powell-affidavit-of-killer.html

Susan must have walked around with her eyeballs permanently crossed living with this. It is quite a shame she did not have
it in her to send Mr. Rocky Raccoon eyes out into the backyard hunting for some quartz rocks. Kablap'd him with a shotgun!

If I were on her jury... she would not only get a free walk pass... She would also receive expensive gift certificates at the town's
best steakhouse, beauty salon, and massage parlor. She definitely deserved "a break today!" Know what I mean? ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 12, 2012, 08:16:35 PM
I was just watching Shep on Fox News. He said that when the operator FINALLY dispatched the call for response, he categorized the call as "routine" rather than urgent or life threatening.

 ::MonkeyEek::


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Routine!!!


Social worker's 911 call from Josh Powell's home
By The Associated Press – 1 day ago


Police have released a series of recordings from 911 calls made Sunday when authorities in Washington state say Josh Powell locked himself and his two young sons in his house and lit it on fire. The following transcript comes from a social worker who had just arrived at the home with the boys for a court-ordered supervise visit. The transcript has been edited to remove personal information.

DISPATCHER: Good morning.

SOCIAL WORKER: Hey, I'm on a supervised visitation for a court ordered exhibit  and something really weird is happened. The kids went into the house and the parent, biological parent, his name is Josh Powell, will not let me in the door. What should I do?

911 OPERATOR: What's the address?

SOCIAL WORKER: 8119 and I think it's 89th -- I don't know what the address is.

911 OPERATOR: OK, that's pretty important for me to know.

SOCIAL WORKER: I'm sorry, just a minute. Let me get in my car and see if I can find it. Nothing like this has ever happened before in these visitations, so, I'm really shocked and I can hear one of the kids crying but he still wouldn't let me in. OK, it is one, uh, one ... Oh, just a minute I have it here. You can't find me by GPS?

<snipped>

SOCIAL WORKER: OK. It's 8119 189th St. Court East, Puyallup, 98375. And I'd like to pull out of the driveway because I smell gasoline and he won't let me in.

911 OPERATOR: You want to pull out of the driveway because you smell gasoline but he won't let you --

<snipped>

911 OPERATOR: Alright, we'll have somebody look for you there.

SOCIAL WORKER: OK. How long will it be?

911 OPERATOR: I don't know ma'am. They have to respond to emergencies, life-threatening situations first. The first available deputy will respond.

SOCIAL WORKER: This could be life-threatening. He went to court on Wednesday, and he didn't bring his kids back and this is really — I'm afraid for their lives.

<snipped>

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hu3YZxVj8ZLUP9ij_0IpIXhZ6GaA?docId=ffe38b8eec9b4d50810e9fd3d61b8973



In all probability ... the time frame implies that those little boys could not have been saved no matter how quickly authorities responded and ... maybe more lives would have been lost in the process.  However ... for a 911 operator to classify this call as "routine" is beyond comprehension.  All the red flags were there.  My heart goes out to the frantic social worker who desperately attempted without success to convince the first emergency responder at the other end of the line the seriousness of the situation.  What a nightmare for this poor woman ... a nightmare that I am sure she will relive over and over again for the rest of her life.

Janet


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 12, 2012, 10:41:06 PM
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=19209943
Quote
Police say Josh Powell killed his two sons by dousing them and his house with gasoline and then setting the house on fire on Feb.

He not only intended to kill his own sons, he also meant that the Coxes would not have their bodies to mourn over.  The chopping of their necks and burning them was over the top and meant to ensure that they absolutely wouldn't survive his attack.



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 12, 2012, 11:38:53 PM
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=19209943
Quote
Police say Josh Powell killed his two sons by dousing them and his house with gasoline and then setting the house on fire on Feb.

He not only intended to kill his own sons, he also meant that the Coxes would not have their bodies to mourn over.  The chopping of their necks and burning them was over the top and meant to ensure that they absolutely wouldn't survive his attack.



He wanted it quick and out of anyone's control but his own. From the email at 12:05p saying goodbye to his lawyer and employer
to the first call reporting the house explosion... 10 minutes. I think he did what he did in about 5 minutes or less. I Dream of Jeannie couldn't
have blinked herself there in 5 minutes. Nobody had a prayer.

 ::snipping2::
Sunday 2/5/2012 12:05 Emails sent from Josh Powell to his employer and attorney stating I'm sorry and goodbye.

Sunday 2/5/2012 12:08 First 911 call from Foster Car Resource Network employee stating Josh Powell locked her out of his house during a supervised visit with Powell's sons.  Caller reports smelling gasoline.

Sunday 2/5/2012 12:15 911 call from neighbor stating on a house exploded and is on fire.

http://www.connect2utah.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_270.shtml
 ::snipping2::

It's crazy that a walking dead man would waste so much time on being "thoughtful."

-donating toys to Goodwill
-recycling

It sure makes everyone feel better that he was a 'green' psycho. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyQuestion::

What a waste of time & brain power for what he was planning to do.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 13, 2012, 12:02:07 AM
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=19209943
Quote
Police say Josh Powell killed his two sons by dousing them and his house with gasoline and then setting the house on fire on Feb.

He not only intended to kill his own sons, he also meant that the Coxes would not have their bodies to mourn over.  The chopping of their necks and burning them was over the top and meant to ensure that they absolutely wouldn't survive his attack.



IMO, the chopping with the ax was done to immobilize the kids so they couldn't try to escape.  I hope the chops to the head rendered them unconscious so they didn't have to suffer the fear and pain of being burned alive. Hopefully all they realized was that Daddy was being mean and hurtful to them.  But what a horrendous betrayal for them in their last moments.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr....!!!!!

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::





Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 13, 2012, 10:18:53 AM
I find it curious that JP donated some of the boys' toys to a charity and yet kept some in the storage locker.  Why keep some?  What was he importance of keeping those toys?

Frankly, where I the Coxes, I'd not want those toys.  He might have laced them with acid or poison.  He was so evil, I wouldn't put that type of thing past him.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 13, 2012, 10:24:05 AM

Search resumes at recycling center in case of Josh Powell


Volunteers sifted through tons of paper at a recycling center Sunday, hoping to find items that Josh Powell may have dumped before killing himself and his two sons in a house fire last week.

The search, involving about 20 people from Pierce County Search and Rescue, was expected to last all day.

"What happened last weekend really affected me. I could see smoke from the home from here," the recycling center's manager, Don Taylor, told KOMO News. "It would make me feel good if they found something here that could help answer questions about this whole terrible thing."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/12/search-resumes-at-recycling-center-in-case-josh-powell/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 13, 2012, 10:25:30 AM

Volunteers dig through garbage, looking for Susan Powell clues VIDEO

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/Volunteers-dig-through-garbage-looking-for-Susan-3311177.php


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Anna on February 13, 2012, 10:54:32 AM
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=19209943
Quote
Police say Josh Powell killed his two sons by dousing them and his house with gasoline and then setting the house on fire on Feb.

He not only intended to kill his own sons, he also meant that the Coxes would not have their bodies to mourn over.  The chopping of their necks and burning them was over the top and meant to ensure that they absolutely wouldn't survive his attack.



He wanted it quick and out of anyone's control but his own. From the email at 12:05p saying goodbye to his lawyer and employer
to the first call reporting the house explosion... 10 minutes. I think he did what he did in about 5 minutes or less. I Dream of Jeannie couldn't
have blinked herself there in 5 minutes. Nobody had a prayer.

 ::snipping2::
Sunday 2/5/2012 12:05 Emails sent from Josh Powell to his employer and attorney stating I'm sorry and goodbye.

Sunday 2/5/2012 12:08 First 911 call from Foster Car Resource Network employee stating Josh Powell locked her out of his house during a supervised visit with Powell's sons.  Caller reports smelling gasoline.

Sunday 2/5/2012 12:15 911 call from neighbor stating on a house exploded and is on fire.

http://www.connect2utah.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_270.shtml
 ::snipping2::

It's crazy that a walking dead man would waste so much time on being "thoughtful."

-donating toys to Goodwill
-recycling

It sure makes everyone feel better that he was a 'green' psycho. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyQuestion::

What a waste of time & brain power for what he was planning to do.

Carpe, I think it's just another of his mind games.  He wants everybody to know HE was in CONTROL the whole time with his little sicko plans.  It's his ultimate way of taking absolute control of those kids.  Control freak until the end, literally.

But I totally disliked this psycho at first sight so I do think first impressions are often right.  I think "wormy" was the word that came to my mind as he is all in pallor and totally wouldn't speak to the public or camera and so forth.

Any member of LE that believed toddlers out after midnight in near zero weather to "make smores" needs to turn in his badge as he is in the wrong line of work!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Anna on February 13, 2012, 10:57:45 AM

Volunteers dig through garbage, looking for Susan Powell clues VIDEO

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/Volunteers-dig-through-garbage-looking-for-Susan-3311177.php


I wonder if they are looking for clues or for Susan herself.  I would imagine remians would freeze in a car trunk in that kind of weather.

I don't normally like law suits if taxfunded agencies but I think the Cox family may have a case with LE refusing to act to protect their grandchildren.  Maybe this is the only way to get their attention and insure that they take cases seriously and as life threatening if they are held legally responsible.

Rant over.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 13, 2012, 11:58:23 AM
Was it ever said how many times the family actually went camping since the boys were born?
Bet the cops didn't ask, is my take.
Is Utah a state that women and children are on the bottom of the chain?
 ::MonkeyEek:: :smt102


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 13, 2012, 12:05:22 PM




Quote
Carpe, I think it's just another of his mind games.  He wants everybody to know HE was in CONTROL the whole time with his little sicko plans.  It's his ultimate way of taking absolute control of those kids.  Control freak until the end, literally.

But I totally disliked this psycho at first sight so I do think first impressions are often right.  I think "wormy" was the word that came to my mind as he is all in pallor and totally wouldn't speak to the public or camera and so forth.

Any member of LE that believed toddlers out after midnight in near zero weather to "make smores" needs to turn in his badge as he is in the wrong line of work!

Hi Anna - WORMY... good word. It fits. Speaking about his control:




 ::snipping2::
Friends said Josh Powell became so controlling of his wife, it became legendary among those who knew them. She had to get his permission just to use the family car and had to follow a strict procedure in order to spend any money.

"He would give Susan an amount of money -- and on grocery shopping, he also had a spreadsheet that she was to look at through ads and find the cheapest price of things," said a friend, Michelle Oreno. "When she went shopping, she came home and she had to enter every single item into that spreadsheet. And if she spent more than a couple of cents more on a can of beans, Josh would really yell at her and get angry."

Josh Powell wouldn't even let his wife spend money on socks, insisting she knit them instead, said Denise Cox.

She said her sister considered leaving Josh Powell but didn't do so for fear of what would happen to the couple's two children, Charles and Braden.

"When I told her to leave with the kids, she told me that he had told her, 'Over my dead body will you have those boys. They're mine,'" Denise Cox said. "The boys were a possession to him. They were his possessions."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/inside-marriage-josh-susan-powell/story?id=15552031
 ::snipping2::

Someone needed to print that spreadsheet on a 2x4 and teach him the Kathy Bates method of Accounting. Don't ya think?

HE WAS A WORM.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 13, 2012, 12:19:20 PM




Quote
Carpe, I think it's just another of his mind games.  He wants everybody to know HE was in CONTROL the whole time with his little sicko plans.  It's his ultimate way of taking absolute control of those kids.  Control freak until the end, literally.

But I totally disliked this psycho at first sight so I do think first impressions are often right.  I think "wormy" was the word that came to my mind as he is all in pallor and totally wouldn't speak to the public or camera and so forth.

Any member of LE that believed toddlers out after midnight in near zero weather to "make smores" needs to turn in his badge as he is in the wrong line of work!

Hi Anna - WORMY... good word. It fits. Speaking about his control:




 ::snipping2::
Friends said Josh Powell became so controlling of his wife, it became legendary among those who knew them. She had to get his permission just to use the family car and had to follow a strict procedure in order to spend any money.

"He would give Susan an amount of money -- and on grocery shopping, he also had a spreadsheet that she was to look at through ads and find the cheapest price of things," said a friend, Michelle Oreno. "When she went shopping, she came home and she had to enter every single item into that spreadsheet. And if she spent more than a couple of cents more on a can of beans, Josh would really yell at her and get angry."

Josh Powell wouldn't even let his wife spend money on socks, insisting she knit them instead, said Denise Cox.

She said her sister considered leaving Josh Powell but didn't do so for fear of what would happen to the couple's two children, Charles and Braden.

"When I told her to leave with the kids, she told me that he had told her, 'Over my dead body will you have those boys. They're mine,'" Denise Cox said. "The boys were a possession to him. They were his possessions."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/inside-marriage-josh-susan-powell/story?id=15552031
 ::snipping2::

Someone needed to print that spreadsheet on a 2x4 and teach him the Kathy Bates method of Accounting. Don't ya think?

HE WAS A WORM.


Josh held the lives and safety of the children over Susan's head for total control.  Just sick!!!  It sounds like Susan's life was a living hell. She had to walk a fine line constantly or face Josh's threats and wrath. And all the time she was bowing and scraping to Josh's demands she must have had such fear for the safety of her sons.  She knew what was he capable of, imo. Josh treated another human being as described in the above article http://abcnews.go.com/US/inside-marriage-josh-susan-powell/story?id=15552031 and he still had rights to the children?  He was a sick SOB.  JMHO


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 13, 2012, 12:22:09 PM
I personally think it is time for Tricia Powell to grow a backbone and stand up for her daughter-in-law and grandsons. She failed to do so when she could have saved their lives.  The least she can do is speak out now so that others in this type situation can be saved.  I'm sure there are lots of psychologists out there that would love to better understand how to treat people subjected to abusers like JP.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 13, 2012, 01:51:02 PM




Quote
Carpe, I think it's just another of his mind games.  He wants everybody to know HE was in CONTROL the whole time with his little sicko plans.  It's his ultimate way of taking absolute control of those kids.  Control freak until the end, literally.

But I totally disliked this psycho at first sight so I do think first impressions are often right.  I think "wormy" was the word that came to my mind as he is all in pallor and totally wouldn't speak to the public or camera and so forth.

Any member of LE that believed toddlers out after midnight in near zero weather to "make smores" needs to turn in his badge as he is in the wrong line of work!

Hi Anna - WORMY... good word. It fits. Speaking about his control:




 ::snipping2::
Friends said Josh Powell became so controlling of his wife, it became legendary among those who knew them. She had to get his permission just to use the family car and had to follow a strict procedure in order to spend any money.

"He would give Susan an amount of money -- and on grocery shopping, he also had a spreadsheet that she was to look at through ads and find the cheapest price of things," said a friend, Michelle Oreno. "When she went shopping, she came home and she had to enter every single item into that spreadsheet. And if she spent more than a couple of cents more on a can of beans, Josh would really yell at her and get angry."

Josh Powell wouldn't even let his wife spend money on socks, insisting she knit them instead, said Denise Cox.

She said her sister considered leaving Josh Powell but didn't do so for fear of what would happen to the couple's two children, Charles and Braden.

"When I told her to leave with the kids, she told me that he had told her, 'Over my dead body will you have those boys. They're mine,'" Denise Cox said. "The boys were a possession to him. They were his possessions."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/inside-marriage-josh-susan-powell/story?id=15552031
 ::snipping2::

Someone needed to print that spreadsheet on a 2x4 and teach him the Kathy Bates method of Accounting. Don't ya think?

HE WAS A WORM.

BBM - Tawanda!!!!  Different movie; same sentiment.  And, yes, worm is the appropriate term for that meglomaniac.   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 13, 2012, 06:26:03 PM
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/13/books-map-turn-up-during-powell-related-search-at-recycling-center/?storylink=twt
Books, map turn up during Powell-related search at recycling center
Post by Stacey Mulick / The News Tribune on Feb. 13, 2012 at 2:44 pm wit

 ::snipping2::
Searchers found a testament with Powell’s name on it, some paperback books with his wife’s name on them and the Utah map, the Sheriff’s Department reported.

Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/13/books-map-turn-up-during-powell-related-search-at-recycling-center/?storylink=twt#storylink=cpy


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on February 13, 2012, 07:03:43 PM
I have been reading the news articles posted here, & other places as well.
This entire situation is very disturbing to me.

All monkeys are effected. How could u not be ??

E V I L = Josh Powell

I do not wish harm to anyone,
but in Josh's case it is hard not to.
He has to be the MOST dispicable person who has lived,
but 1st place goes to Elisa Baker. She was the top loon IMO ! ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cadillac on February 13, 2012, 07:16:52 PM
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/13/books-map-turn-up-during-powell-related-search-at-recycling-center/?storylink=twt
Books, map turn up during Powell-related search at recycling center
Post by Stacey Mulick / The News Tribune on Feb. 13, 2012 at 2:44 pm wit

 ::snipping2::
Searchers found a testament with Powell’s name on it, some paperback books with his wife’s name on them and the Utah map, the Sheriff’s Department reported.

Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/13/books-map-turn-up-during-powell-related-search-at-recycling-center/?storylink=twt#storylink=cpy
What exactly is a "testament "?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 13, 2012, 07:46:35 PM
I wish they allowed me to knit Josh some socks. Everything I try to make like that comes out lopsided as a mother.

That moron would have had a whopper of a podiatrist bill.

I just can't believe she had the talent and concentration power needed to make her own socks...

Yet, couldn't find a way  to escape Josh Jong Il. It must have been the fear of that squirt-pip-squeak

hurting the kids... like MuffyBee ::bee:: pointed out earlier today. He must have been a terror...

especially when nobody else could see, when they were at home together, nobody else around.

That sock thing has been sticking in my craw all day! ::MonkeyMad::

Yet --- in every pic she managed a beautiful smile like nothing was wrong. Even one that I

have seen from the last day she was ever seen again.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cadillac on February 13, 2012, 07:57:20 PM
I wish they allowed me to knit Josh some socks. Everything I try to make like that comes out lopsided as a mother.

That moron would have had a whopper of a podiatrist bill.

I just can't believe she had the talent and concentration power needed to make her own socks...

Yet, couldn't find a way  to escape Josh Jong Il. It must have been the fear of that squirt-pip-squeak

hurting the kids... like MuffyBee ::bee:: pointed out earlier today. He must have been a terror...

especially when nobody else could see, when they were at home together, nobody else around.

That sock thing has been sticking in my craw all day! ::MonkeyMad::

Yet --- in every pic she managed a beautiful smile like nothing was wrong. Even one that I

have seen from the last day she was ever seen again.
Yes I noticed that sweet Susan always had a smile on her face. What a wonderful attribute for a loving Mother.  Her two buys saw that contagious smile every day...


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cadillac on February 13, 2012, 07:58:06 PM
**boys


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Ono on February 13, 2012, 08:43:22 PM
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=19209943
Quote
Police say Josh Powell killed his two sons by dousing them and his house with gasoline and then setting the house on fire on Feb.

He not only intended to kill his own sons, he also meant that the Coxes would not have their bodies to mourn over.  The chopping of their necks and burning them was over the top and meant to ensure that they absolutely wouldn't survive his attack.



He wanted it quick and out of anyone's control but his own. From the email at 12:05p saying goodbye to his lawyer and employer
to the first call reporting the house explosion... 10 minutes. I think he did what he did in about 5 minutes or less. I Dream of Jeannie couldn't
have blinked herself there in 5 minutes. Nobody had a prayer.

 ::snipping2::
Sunday 2/5/2012 12:05 Emails sent from Josh Powell to his employer and attorney stating I'm sorry and goodbye.

Sunday 2/5/2012 12:08 First 911 call from Foster Car Resource Network employee stating Josh Powell locked her out of his house during a supervised visit with Powell's sons.  Caller reports smelling gasoline.

Sunday 2/5/2012 12:15 911 call from neighbor stating on a house exploded and is on fire.

http://www.connect2utah.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_270.shtml
 ::snipping2::

It's crazy that a walking dead man would waste so much time on being "thoughtful."

-donating toys to Goodwill
-recycling

It sure makes everyone feel better that he was a 'green' psycho. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyQuestion::

What a waste of time & brain power for what he was planning to do.

Carpe, I think it's just another of his mind games.  He wants everybody to know HE was in CONTROL the whole time with his little sicko plans.  It's his ultimate way of taking absolute control of those kids.  Control freak until the end, literally.

But I totally disliked this psycho at first sight so I do think first impressions are often right.  I think "wormy" was the word that came to my mind as he is all in pallor and totally wouldn't speak to the public or camera and so forth.

Any member of LE that believed toddlers out after midnight in near zero weather to "make smores" needs to turn in his badge as he is in the wrong line of work!


I so totally agree with your last statement, Anna---why on earth wasn't he arrested & charged with child endangerment then?
That just floored me---perhaps things would have turned out differently had LE used some common sense way back when.  Unbelievable.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Ono on February 13, 2012, 09:01:44 PM
I personally think it is time for Tricia Powell to grow a backbone and stand up for her daughter-in-law and grandsons. She failed to do so when she could have saved their lives.  The least she can do is speak out now so that others in this type situation can be saved.  I'm sure there are lots of psychologists out there that would love to better understand how to treat people subjected to abusers like JP.


Agree.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Ono on February 13, 2012, 09:10:44 PM
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/13/books-map-turn-up-during-powell-related-search-at-recycling-center/?storylink=twt
Books, map turn up during Powell-related search at recycling center
Post by Stacey Mulick / The News Tribune on Feb. 13, 2012 at 2:44 pm wit

 ::snipping2::
Searchers found a testament with Powell’s name on it, some paperback books with his wife’s name on them and the Utah map, the Sheriff’s Department reported.

Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/13/books-map-turn-up-during-powell-related-search-at-recycling-center/?storylink=twt#storylink=cpy
What exactly is a "testament "?

I am assuming they were Mormon and perhaps this refers to a copy of the Book of Mormon ???  I don't know, though.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 13, 2012, 10:29:53 PM
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/13/books-map-turn-up-during-powell-related-search-at-recycling-center/?storylink=twt
Books, map turn up during Powell-related search at recycling center
Post by Stacey Mulick / The News Tribune on Feb. 13, 2012 at 2:44 pm wit

 ::snipping2::
Searchers found a testament with Powell’s name on it, some paperback books with his wife’s name on them and the Utah map, the Sheriff’s Department reported.

Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/13/books-map-turn-up-during-powell-related-search-at-recycling-center/?storylink=twt#storylink=cpy
What exactly is a "testament "?

I am assuming they were Mormon and perhaps this refers to a copy of the Book of Mormon ???  I don't know, though.

First things I thought of when I read that - will or last statement. It wouldn't surprise me if he left something behind.

Lord knows that boy liked to talk and write. Said not a damn thing, but always took up 10 pages or more, to not say it.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 14, 2012, 09:19:14 AM
Yes I noticed that sweet Susan always had a smile on her face. What a wonderful attribute for a loving Mother.  Her two buys saw that contagious smile every day...

I'm amazed that she was able to refrain from killing Josh!  I'd have had to HURT that boy BAAAD,myself.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2012, 09:29:36 AM
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/13/books-map-turn-up-during-powell-related-search-at-recycling-center/?storylink=twt
Books, map turn up during Powell-related search at recycling center
Post by Stacey Mulick / The News Tribune on Feb. 13, 2012 at 2:44 pm wit

 ::snipping2::
Searchers found a testament with Powell’s name on it, some paperback books with his wife’s name on them and the Utah map, the Sheriff’s Department reported.

Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/13/books-map-turn-up-during-powell-related-search-at-recycling-center/?storylink=twt#storylink=cpy
What exactly is a "testament "?

I am assuming they were Mormon and perhaps this refers to a copy of the Book of Mormon ???  I don't know, though.

I agree Testament = Book of Mormon but I thought Josh had moved away from the church to the point that he didn't want the boys going to the LDS church with the Cox's.  I do know that Josh WAS Mormon when he and Susan met.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 14, 2012, 10:44:36 AM
I'm curious if there were any markings on that map.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 14, 2012, 10:56:14 AM
 
A search at a recycling center recovered some papers, books and a map of Utah that Josh Powell dropped off the day before he killed his two young sons and himself in an explosive fire, the Pierce County sheriff's office said.

Volunteers who combed through more than 10 tons of paper over the weekend found what the sheriff's office called a "testament" with Powell's name on it, some paperback books with his wife's name on them and the Utah map. The office did not elaborate on what the testament contains.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kirotv.com/ap/ap/environment/powell-papers-found-at-recycling-site-near-graham/nHcNc/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 14, 2012, 11:13:43 AM
http://mynorthwest.com/11/627311/Search-of-landfill-in-Powell-case-turns-up-books-map
Quote
Troyer said they were led to the landfill by someone who knew Powell, and told police he dropped off a box of items there the day before he killed his children in a gas-fueled blaze at his Graham rental home.

Interesting.  I wonder who's talking.  I can't imagine its anyone from his family.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 14, 2012, 11:20:22 AM
http://**/sltrib/news/53506757-78/powell-casket-family-cox.html.csp

Powell boys laid to rest in single casket

Quote
The Cox family departed and several members of the Powell family — including the boys’ aunt, Alina Powell, uncle John Powell, aunt Jennifer Graves, grandmother, Terrica Powell — held their own private gathering at the burial site a short time later.

I assumed that Jennifer would attend the service with the Coxes.  I guess she was at the Powell gathering for her mom.  I'm glad Michael wasn't there.  I have a feeling he's as evil as his father and brother. 

I have so much sympathy for the Cox family and for Jennifer.  I have no sympathy for the Powells.  They could have protected those boys and they refused to do so.  Shame on them.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 14, 2012, 11:51:10 AM
Utah woman says she saw Powell, father in mountains before Susan disappeared

PUYALLUP, Wash. —
A Utah woman said she saw Josh Powell and his father Steven in the mountains three months before Powell’s wife, Susan Cox Powell, was reported missing.
 
She told KTVX-TV they were in the Topaz Mountains and that they not looking for crystals.

The woman, who asked to remain anonymous, said the two were not dressed for the outdoors.

“They were not friendly at all.  It was obvious they had their agenda and everyone else be damned. Their behavior was so out of the ordinary,” she said.

 ::snipping2::

Another Utah woman said she saw Powell and his two young boys the day after Powell’s wife disappeared.

A hotel employee at a Comfort Inn in Sandy, Utah, said she saw Josh Powell and his sons getting breakfast and talked to one of Powell’s sons briefly.

Robin Snyder was in charge of free breakfast at the hotel.

"I was standing right behind Charlie.  Charlie looked right up at me and said, 'Do you know what happened to my mom?" and I went to say, ‘No, what happened to your mom?’” said Snyder.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/utah-woman-says-she-saw-powell-father-mountains-su/nHcTd/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 14, 2012, 11:53:53 AM
http://**/sltrib/news/53506757-78/powell-casket-family-cox.html.csp

Powell boys laid to rest in single casket

Quote
The Cox family departed and several members of the Powell family — including the boys’ aunt, Alina Powell, uncle John Powell, aunt Jennifer Graves, grandmother, Terrica Powell — held their own private gathering at the burial site a short time later.

I assumed that Jennifer would attend the service with the Coxes.  I guess she was at the Powell gathering for her mom.  I'm glad Michael wasn't there.  I have a feeling he's as evil as his father and brother. 

I have so much sympathy for the Cox family and for Jennifer.  I have no sympathy for the Powells.  They could have protected those boys and they refused to do so.  Shame on them.

And even now the Powell's continue to blame any and everyone except maggot man.  God protect me from ever having to go through something like what happened to Susan, Charlie, and Braden, but if it did, I hope I would be able to put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the responsible party. ::MonkeyHang::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on February 14, 2012, 12:44:40 PM
Utah woman says she saw Powell, father in mountains before Susan disappeared

PUYALLUP, Wash. —
A Utah woman said she saw Josh Powell and his father Steven in the mountains three months before Powell’s wife, Susan Cox Powell, was reported missing.
 
She told KTVX-TV they were in the Topaz Mountains and that they not looking for crystals.

The woman, who asked to remain anonymous, said the two were not dressed for the outdoors.

“They were not friendly at all.  It was obvious they had their agenda and everyone else be damned. Their behavior was so out of the ordinary,” she said.

 ::snipping2::

Another Utah woman said she saw Powell and his two young boys the day after Powell’s wife disappeared.

A hotel employee at a Comfort Inn in Sandy, Utah, said she saw Josh Powell and his sons getting breakfast and talked to one of Powell’s sons briefly.

Robin Snyder was in charge of free breakfast at the hotel.

"I was standing right behind Charlie.  Charlie looked right up at me and said, 'Do you know what happened to my mom?" and I went to say, ‘No, what happened to your mom?’” said Snyder.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/utah-woman-says-she-saw-powell-father-mountains-su/nHcTd/

Let's hope that these people who are going public now with their accounts of having seen the maggot boys out in the mountains, or having breakfast in a motel, around the time Susan disappeared had already spoken to police way back then, instead of waiting until now for making their revelations.



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 14, 2012, 12:48:28 PM
Utah woman says she saw Powell, father in mountains before Susan disappeared

PUYALLUP, Wash. —
A Utah woman said she saw Josh Powell and his father Steven in the mountains three months before Powell’s wife, Susan Cox Powell, was reported missing.
 
She told KTVX-TV they were in the Topaz Mountains and that they not looking for crystals.

The woman, who asked to remain anonymous, said the two were not dressed for the outdoors.

“They were not friendly at all.  It was obvious they had their agenda and everyone else be damned. Their behavior was so out of the ordinary,” she said.

 ::snipping2::

Another Utah woman said she saw Powell and his two young boys the day after Powell’s wife disappeared.

A hotel employee at a Comfort Inn in Sandy, Utah, said she saw Josh Powell and his sons getting breakfast and talked to one of Powell’s sons briefly.

Robin Snyder was in charge of free breakfast at the hotel.

"I was standing right behind Charlie.  Charlie looked right up at me and said, 'Do you know what happened to my mom?" and I went to say, ‘No, what happened to your mom?’” said Snyder.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/utah-woman-says-she-saw-powell-father-mountains-su/nHcTd/

When did LE know about this??
JMO, if from the beginning, then why wasn't 2sswipe arrested? Should of.
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Babybear on February 14, 2012, 01:15:17 PM
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/13/books-map-turn-up-during-powell-related-search-at-recycling-center/?storylink=twt
Books, map turn up during Powell-related search at recycling center
Post by Stacey Mulick / The News Tribune on Feb. 13, 2012 at 2:44 pm wit

 ::snipping2::
Searchers found a testament with Powell’s name on it, some paperback books with his wife’s name on them and the Utah map, the Sheriff’s Department reported.

Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/13/books-map-turn-up-during-powell-related-search-at-recycling-center/?storylink=twt#storylink=cpy

"The Book of Mormon--A New TESTAMENT of Jesus Christ," as dictated by their founder, Joseph Smith. Mormons believe that after Christ was crucified in Jerusalem, he came to North America and converted the indigenous peoples.  They also believe the Garden of Eden was in Missouri.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 14, 2012, 02:30:45 PM
Utah woman says she saw Powell, father in mountains before Susan disappeared

PUYALLUP, Wash. —
A Utah woman said she saw Josh Powell and his father Steven in the mountains three months before Powell’s wife, Susan Cox Powell, was reported missing.
 
She told KTVX-TV they were in the Topaz Mountains and that they not looking for crystals.

The woman, who asked to remain anonymous, said the two were not dressed for the outdoors.

“They were not friendly at all.  It was obvious they had their agenda and everyone else be damned. Their behavior was so out of the ordinary,” she said.

 ::snipping2::

Another Utah woman said she saw Powell and his two young boys the day after Powell’s wife disappeared.

A hotel employee at a Comfort Inn in Sandy, Utah, said she saw Josh Powell and his sons getting breakfast and talked to one of Powell’s sons briefly.

Robin Snyder was in charge of free breakfast at the hotel.

"I was standing right behind Charlie.  Charlie looked right up at me and said, 'Do you know what happened to my mom?" and I went to say, ‘No, what happened to your mom?’” said Snyder.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/utah-woman-says-she-saw-powell-father-mountains-su/nHcTd/

Don't you have to be checked in to the hotel in order to get the "free breakfast"?  One of two things is happening in this scenario.  Either maggot man is ripping the hotel off for the comp breakfasts or he and the boys stayed in the hotel for no apparent reason. 

I sure wish the woman had been able to continue the conversation with Charlie a little longer but don't you know that daddy dearest was busily stuffing his son's mouth with a sock before anything more could have been revealed about "what happened to mom."   ::CowboySmiley:: 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 14, 2012, 02:40:17 PM
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865550088/Search-of-landfill-uncovers-Powell-map.html

Search of landfill uncovers Powell map
By Pat Reavy, Deseret News
Published: Tuesday, Feb. 14 2012 12:18 p.m. MST

 ::snipping2::
Pierce County Sheriff's Sgt. Ed Troyer said the map is of Utah. He did not know immediately if the map was of the entire state or a specific area. Troyer said there were no extra markings on the map, such as pen or pencil marks, that weren't already printed on the map when it was sold.

Meanwhile, West Valley police said they had not received any test results back as of Tuesday on a comforter with a blood stain found in Josh Powell's Washington storage shed. The stain on the pink comforter was not large, Troyer said. Although it was confirmed to be blood, investigators did not know whose blood it was or even if it was human or animal blood.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 14, 2012, 02:44:08 PM
Utah woman says she saw Powell, father in mountains before Susan disappeared

PUYALLUP, Wash. —
A Utah woman said she saw Josh Powell and his father Steven in the mountains three months before Powell’s wife, Susan Cox Powell, was reported missing.
 
She told KTVX-TV they were in the Topaz Mountains and that they not looking for crystals.

The woman, who asked to remain anonymous, said the two were not dressed for the outdoors.

“They were not friendly at all.  It was obvious they had their agenda and everyone else be damned. Their behavior was so out of the ordinary,” she said.

 ::snipping2::

Another Utah woman said she saw Powell and his two young boys the day after Powell’s wife disappeared.

A hotel employee at a Comfort Inn in Sandy, Utah, said she saw Josh Powell and his sons getting breakfast and talked to one of Powell’s sons briefly.

Robin Snyder was in charge of free breakfast at the hotel.

"I was standing right behind Charlie.  Charlie looked right up at me and said, 'Do you know what happened to my mom?" and I went to say, ‘No, what happened to your mom?’” said Snyder.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/utah-woman-says-she-saw-powell-father-mountains-su/nHcTd/

Don't you have to be checked in to the hotel in order to get the "free breakfast"?  One of two things is happening in this scenario.  Either maggot man is ripping the hotel off for the comp breakfasts or he and the boys stayed in the hotel for no apparent reason. 

I sure wish the woman had been able to continue the conversation with Charlie a little longer but don't you know that daddy dearest was busily stuffing his son's mouth with a sock before anything more could have been revealed about "what happened to mom."   ::CowboySmiley:: 
Good catch.  Now, I wonder...was there any record of Josh and the boys checking into that hotel?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 14, 2012, 03:15:54 PM
Utah woman says she saw Powell, father in mountains before Susan disappeared

PUYALLUP, Wash. —
A Utah woman said she saw Josh Powell and his father Steven in the mountains three months before Powell’s wife, Susan Cox Powell, was reported missing.
 
She told KTVX-TV they were in the Topaz Mountains and that they not looking for crystals.

The woman, who asked to remain anonymous, said the two were not dressed for the outdoors.

“They were not friendly at all.  It was obvious they had their agenda and everyone else be damned. Their behavior was so out of the ordinary,” she said.

 ::snipping2::

Another Utah woman said she saw Powell and his two young boys the day after Powell’s wife disappeared.

A hotel employee at a Comfort Inn in Sandy, Utah, said she saw Josh Powell and his sons getting breakfast and talked to one of Powell’s sons briefly.

Robin Snyder was in charge of free breakfast at the hotel.

"I was standing right behind Charlie.  Charlie looked right up at me and said, 'Do you know what happened to my mom?" and I went to say, ‘No, what happened to your mom?’” said Snyder.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/utah-woman-says-she-saw-powell-father-mountains-su/nHcTd/

Don't you have to be checked in to the hotel in order to get the "free breakfast"?  One of two things is happening in this scenario.  Either maggot man is ripping the hotel off for the comp breakfasts or he and the boys stayed in the hotel for no apparent reason. 

I sure wish the woman had been able to continue the conversation with Charlie a little longer but don't you know that daddy dearest was busily stuffing his son's mouth with a sock before anything more could have been revealed about "what happened to mom."   ::CowboySmiley:: 


I've never yet had to show  I was checked in at hotels that offer the "free breakfast", unless it was a very fancy one, and I was  issued a breakfast voucher and it was a real restaurant setting.  Josh could have gone in an noshed without checking in, imo.  I hope he did check in, because it might give some validity with the lead, through check in or credit card records and I wonder how long they keep videos?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 14, 2012, 04:32:40 PM
Well, I guess I've never stayed in a hotel that offered breakfast and been given a voucher.  Most of hotels I've eaten in haven't offered a free meal and I just used my credit card to pay or charged it to the room.  And I have never walked into the dining area from outside the hotel.  So, I guess if you've got the nerve, you might just breeze past the lobby and walk into the dining area.  And if we know anything about JP, he's pretty nervy when need be. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 14, 2012, 04:41:30 PM
Well, I guess I've never stayed in a hotel that offered breakfast and been given a voucher.  Most of hotels I've eaten in haven't offered a free meal and I just used my credit card to pay or charged it to the room.  And I have never walked into the dining area from outside the hotel.  So, I guess if you've got the nerve, you might just breeze past the lobby and walk into the dining area.  And if we know anything about JP, he's pretty nervy when need be. 

ITA!

A lot of hotels offer free or complimentary breakfast including LaQuinta, Comfort Inn, Super8, Holiday Inn, econolodge etc.  Free or complimentary breakfast can mean anything from basic coffee and donuts, juice & tea (continental breakfast)  to a  buffet with a do it yourself waffle maker, juice, fresh fruit, yogurt, bacon, scrambled eggs etc.  Just depends.   The ones that had a voucher had a full service restaurant setting. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 14, 2012, 05:57:01 PM
Police getting new tips in Susan Powell murder case
Updated: 2/13 10:21 pm | Published: 2/13 9:08 pm
Reported by: Marcos Ortiz
vid

SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) - Steve Powell won't talk
He's facing voyeurism charges in Washington state but refuses to meet with police who are continuing to investigate Susan Powell's murder.
Police say he is part of the ongoing investigation.
 ::snipping2::
In Utah, police say tips are coming in that could help with the investigaiton.
Robin Snyder claims she recently met with police. She claims she saw Josh Powell and his two sons the day after Susan went missing in 2009.

"And Charlie looked right up at me and he says 'do you know what happened to my mom?' so I say 'no what happened to your mom?'"
Before getting an answer Snyder was called to the kitchen.
When she came back she says they were gone
 ::snipping2::
A spokesman for West Valley police, Sgt. Mike Powell says "they've done an incredible job" of returning calls.  But could not go into detail about this particular person because of a court order that prevents them from talking openly about the investigation.
And now a Salt Lake woman is telling police she saw Steve and Josh in the Topaz Mountains three-months before Susan went missing in 2009.
 It's where police conducted a massive search this summer.  There, they uncovered a shallow grave.   But police won't won't discuss their findings.
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc/story/Police-getting-new-tips-in-Susan-Powell-murder/OO8aMVY0gku92ZTkRNmtyA.cspx

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total mi from west V to sandy = 274mi a straight drive thru,in good
weather would be roughly 9.25-9.5 hrs
josh said he left between 11pm to 12am,12/6-7/2009
not sure if it was the start of BKF,or end of BKF,IIRC
BKF is usually 7am-10am
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A thru D
west valley city
40.68344 -112.01686
tooele county,simpson springs 86.4 mi, 2 hours 53 mins
UT-36 S
40.03714 -112.78247

topaz MT topaz valley 34.6 mi, 2 hours 15 mins
Simpson Springs-Callao Rd
39.68807 -113.08897

Sandy, Utah-- comfort inn 153 mi, 2 hours 58 mins
US-6 E and I-15 N
40.57250 -111.85972
west valley city  15.9 mi, 28 mins
I-215 W
40.68344 -112.01686
map
http://tinyurl.com/8xxxcpf
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more info
•Utah - Crossroads of the West
http://www.nps.gov/cali/planyourvisit/upload/UT_ATRIG_Final2-Web.pdf
•Utah Auto Tour Route Regional Map
http://www.nps.gov/cali/planyourvisit/upload/UTAH-ATR-map-final.pdf


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2012, 06:13:59 PM
http://**/sltrib/news/53511742-78/powell-cox-braden-susan.html.csp

Powell family video: Happy moments weeks before killings



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 14, 2012, 08:12:00 PM
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/14/2026058/investigators-josh-powell-used.html?storylink=mrc

Investigators: Josh Powell used house in Graham area as ruse
Published: 02/14/12 2:24 pm | Updated: 02/14/12 3:35 pm

 ::snipping2::
Detectives believe Powell created a fake home to use for supervised visits with the boys.
"He set it up like a rental place, with pictures of the family," Wood said. "I think it was staged so when CPS (Child Protective Services) came, it would look like a loving family."
It would look like a loving home, they said, but it would be a bomb.
Detectives believe that when Powell did not regain custody of the boys at a court hearing Feb. 1, he put a plan to kill them into motion. He had $6,500, and left instructions for his sister to pay bills with it and give the rest to his lawyer. He also told her how to turn off the utilities at the house he would detonate.
"That shows you his mind-set," Wood said.
After the explosion, detectives searched a Powell family storage unit. In it, they found water and sealed buckets of dried foods, including beans.
"Tons of food," Sanders said.
"Also gas cans," Wood said. "We believe he got the gas from the storage shed."
The two cans found at the house were like the cans in the shed, he said, and there is evidence Powell had researched the explosive properties of gasoline.
"One gallon of gas vaporized is the equivalent of three sticks of dynamite," Wood said.
On that Sunday, the boys and the woman who supervised the court-ordered visit arrived at noon. The boys were happy, she has said, because their father told them he had something special for them.
Wood outlined the chain of events after Powell shut the door in the supervisor’s face:
"The little boys come in. He takes them to the back and hits them with the hatchet. Josh Powell scatters gas. He walks around the house, tossing it on the walls and floor. He puts the five-gallon gas can by the front door. He sits with the other can between his knees."
He lit a flame.
"It was an explosion, not a fire," Wood said.
Powell’s determination was fixed, he said.
"If we had gotten someone there, firefighters or police officers, we’d have dead firefighters or police officers,” Wood said. "If the court had done something different and awarded custody to the grandparents, we’d have dead kids and dead grandparents."
The residents wanted to know that the boys did not suffer.
There was soot in their windpipes, Wood said, which meant they were still breathing at the time of the explosion. But he believes they were unconscious after their father hit them, and did not suffer.
Powell was fully aware when he triggered the explosion, and died where he sat.
"He committed the most evil act," Sanders said. "And he gave them the greatest gift, which is to be in their mother’s arms."

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/14/2026058/investigators-josh-powell-used.html?storylink=mrc#storylink=cpy


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 14, 2012, 08:30:51 PM
What a heck of a way to go... 15 sticks of dynamite wrapped to your doo-dads.

I hope his little buddy was whistling Dixie! That dirty old Powell was FOUL.

God Bless Charlie and Braden! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 14, 2012, 08:52:34 PM
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/14/2026058/investigators-josh-powell-used.html?storylink=mrc

Investigators: Josh Powell used house in Graham area as ruse
Published: 02/14/12 2:24 pm | Updated: 02/14/12 3:35 pm

 ::snipping2::
Detectives believe Powell created a fake home to use for supervised visits with the boys.
"He set it up like a rental place, with pictures of the family," Wood said. "I think it was staged so when CPS (Child Protective Services) came, it would look like a loving family."
It would look like a loving home, they said, but it would be a bomb.
Detectives believe that when Powell did not regain custody of the boys at a court hearing Feb. 1, he put a plan to kill them into motion. He had $6,500, and left instructions for his sister to pay bills with it and give the rest to his lawyer. He also told her how to turn off the utilities at the house he would detonate.
"That shows you his mind-set," Wood said.
After the explosion, detectives searched a Powell family storage unit. In it, they found water and sealed buckets of dried foods, including beans.
"Tons of food," Sanders said.
"Also gas cans," Wood said. "We believe he got the gas from the storage shed."
The two cans found at the house were like the cans in the shed, he said, and there is evidence Powell had researched the explosive properties of gasoline.
"One gallon of gas vaporized is the equivalent of three sticks of dynamite," Wood said.
On that Sunday, the boys and the woman who supervised the court-ordered visit arrived at noon. The boys were happy, she has said, because their father told them he had something special for them.
Wood outlined the chain of events after Powell shut the door in the supervisor’s face:
"The little boys come in. He takes them to the back and hits them with the hatchet. Josh Powell scatters gas. He walks around the house, tossing it on the walls and floor. He puts the five-gallon gas can by the front door. He sits with the other can between his knees."
He lit a flame.
"It was an explosion, not a fire," Wood said.
Powell’s determination was fixed, he said.
"If we had gotten someone there, firefighters or police officers, we’d have dead firefighters or police officers,” Wood said. "If the court had done something different and awarded custody to the grandparents, we’d have dead kids and dead grandparents."
The residents wanted to know that the boys did not suffer.
There was soot in their windpipes, Wood said, which meant they were still breathing at the time of the explosion. But he believes they were unconscious after their father hit them, and did not suffer.
Powell was fully aware when he triggered the explosion, and died where he sat.
"He committed the most evil act," Sanders said. "And he gave them the greatest gift, which is to be in their mother’s arms."
Edit to change red to navy.  MB
Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/14/2026058/investigators-josh-powell-used.html?storylink=mrc#storylink=cpy

Why store all the food and water?  May be as someone here pointed out, there may be some subterfuge, and Josh's plan was to disappear with the boys by faking their deaths.

I had to laugh at Carpe's imagery of 15 sticks of dynamite strapped to his doo-dads!  That needed a spew alert! LOL.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 14, 2012, 09:06:03 PM
Was he living in the storage unit?  Why keep food there in buckets???? 

I do think the detectives are right.  Had he not been given visitation, he'd have devised a way to kill the boys and the Coxes.

I guess that he left the money to his sister???  Is that what LE is saying above?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 14, 2012, 09:24:57 PM
Was he living in the storage unit?  Why keep food there in buckets???? 

I do think the detectives are right.  Had he not been given visitation, he'd have devised a way to kill the boys and the Coxes.

I guess that he left the money to his sister???  Is that what LE is saying above?


Josh may have stored water and food supplies in case he wanted to go hide,  But there are reasons some stockpile food and supplies.

https://www.lds.org/family/family-well-being/emergency-preparedness?lang=eng
Emergency Preparedness and Response
Members of the Church have been counseled for many years to be prepared for adversity.
 ::snipping2::

Family Emergency Planning

Church members are encouraged to prepare a simple emergency plan. Items to consider may include:

    Three-month supply of food that is part of your normal daily diet.
    Drinking water.
    Financial reserves.
    Longer-term supply of basic food items.
    Medication and first aid supplies.
    Clothing and bedding.
    Important documents.

    Ways to communicate with family following a disaster.
***************************************
As to why food is stored in buckets?  It's a great way to store food to keep it dry.  The buckets are also useful after the food is gone, to carry water, makeshift toilets, seats to sit on and etc.

You can buy food in buckets from places like Costco.  These can be good to have in the event of disasters.
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11622359&search=emergency+food+supply&Mo=49&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-US&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Sp=S&N=5000043&whse=BC&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ne=4000000&D=emergency+food+supply&Ntt=emergency+food+supply&No=1&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1
(http://content.costco.com/Images/Content/Product/566423.jpg)

Food For Health™ Vegetarian Emergency Food Supply
275 Servings, Up to a 20 Year Shelf Life, Weather Proof Bucket
Item # 566423
$99.00

 ::snipping2::
Making a healthy meal has never been so easy or affordable. Just add boiling water, and in 25 minutes, a mouth-watering meal is ready to serve; priced under 35 cents, Food For Health's Food Supply Kit easily fits into any budget.

Although recommended for daily use, the 275 serving Food Kit is still the best choice for any outdoor activity and stocking your shelves with a long-term food supply.

    Easy to Prepare Nutritional and preparation information
    Up to a 20 Year Shelf Life*
    Must have water and heat source
    275 servings – 55 pouches per kit (5 servings each pouch)
        25 Servings of Cheesy Broccoli & Rice
        30 Servings of Vegetable Rice
        35 Servings of Creamy Potato Soup
        25 Servings of Italian Tomato Pasta
        25 Servings of Tuscan Butter Pasta
        35 Servings of Barley Vegetable Soup
        50 Servings of Maple Brown Sugar Oatmeal
        50 Servings of Whey Milk
    Sealed in convenient Weather-Proof pail for easy transport
    100% Vegetarian – no hydrogenated oils, added MSG or Trans Fats
    Total Weight 23 lbs.
 ::snipping2::




Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 14, 2012, 09:29:36 PM
Thanks, muffy  ::bee:: ,

I had no idea you could get a yrs supply of groceries in a bucket.  Next time hubs is complaining about the grocery bill I might just pop one of those buckets on the table and tell him I've solved the problem.  lol


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 14, 2012, 10:38:06 PM
Thanks, muffy  ::bee:: ,

I had no idea you could get a yrs supply of groceries in a bucket.  Next time hubs is complaining about the grocery bill I might just pop one of those buckets on the table and tell him I've solved the problem.  lol

You're welcome KittyMom.  A "mouthwatering meal priced under 35 cents"... would be hard to beat price wise.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 15, 2012, 01:50:36 AM
Thanks, muffy  ::bee:: ,

I had no idea you could get a yrs supply of groceries in a bucket.  Next time hubs is complaining about the grocery bill I might just pop one of those buckets on the table and tell him I've solved the problem.  lol

You're welcome KittyMom.  A "mouthwatering meal priced under 35 cents"... would be hard to beat price wise.   ::MonkeyWink::

You could always use a Comfort Inn GRift Card. Cinnamon Bums ::MonkeyTongue:: (sic) sounds more like it... I knew they weren't making S'Mores.
I believe that Robin. It fits. He was desperately cheap, and there was probably a very good reason behind that. I think they were
in terrible financial shape. jmo ...and like who hasn't had those same problems before? It's not worth detonating YOUR FAMILY over!
People can get help. You can recover.  "and this too shall soon pass." Remember?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 15, 2012, 12:03:24 PM
Steven Powell won't cooperate with police Susan Powell investigation

SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) -Josh Powell's father, Steven Powell has made a surprise move in court. He has filed paperwork in Washington stating that he will not speak or cooperate with police in any way.

He simply will not help in the investigation into Susan Powell’s disappearance.

The notice was filed at the Pierce County clerk's office in Washington on Sunday, just a week after his son, Josh Powell and his two grandchildren were found dead in the home explosion in Graham, Washington.

Powell is invoking his 5th Amendment right to not say a word to West Valley Police Department, according to the court documents.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc/story/Steven-Powell-wont-cooperate-with-police-Susan/1-Ja9GzBz0qjndee7T-6aw.cspx


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 15, 2012, 12:06:15 PM
Secret computer files may hold clues about Susan Powell's disappearance

Detectives investigating the Josh Powell case believe he may have left behind some information about Susan Powell's disappearance hidden in computer files, but they don't have the expertise to find it, KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reported.

Detective Gary Sanders of the Pierce County Sheriff's Department said Josh Powell was good with computers and "a very calculated individual."

Sanders said a search last August of the home where Powell lived with his father revealed nothing about Susan Powell's fate, but it did provide insight into Powell's personality.

"He kept birthday cards all categorized. He had bills categorized from years back, and I think that's just kind of his personality," Sanders said. "He was very meticulous about what he did."

Investigators said precision played into Josh Powell's final plot to kill his two sons and then himself.

Sanders said Powell studied the combustible properties of gasoline and determined how much he'd need to explode his home in Graham.

Then, he meticulously settled his finances, "sending notices to cancel all his utilities, shutting off Comcast -- all those things," Sanders said.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/secret-computer-files-may-hold-clues-about-susan-p/nHdGb/




Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 15, 2012, 12:08:25 PM
Josh Powell never lived in Graham house

Josh Powell did not live in the rental house at the end of the cul-de-sac where he murdered his boys and then killed himself.
Neighbors never saw him. They never saw the kids. Everyone in the neighborhood thought the house was abandoned. Powell was still living at his father's home, though he rented the home he eventually blew up three months ago.

Ed Troyer with the Pierce County Sheriff's Office says the house appeared to be set up only as a place where Powell could see his kids on supervised visits.

"There was no furniture," Troyer said. "There were some kids toys, a little bit of clothing, some pictures of Susan [Powell] on the wall, and that was about it. It was very, very sparse, not like it was set up for anybody to actually live in."

 ::snipping2::

http://mynorthwest.com/11/628204/Josh-Powells-house-was-sham-to-fool-social-workers


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 15, 2012, 12:11:16 PM
Possible clues, no quick answers in Powell case

A hotel worker in Utah said Tuesday she saw Josh Powell and his boys the morning his wife was reported missing in 2009 — and when the older child asked a question about his mom, they left immediately.

"He didn't even give the kids time to eat their sweet rolls — each had a small bite on them," said the worker, Robin Leanne Snyder.

 ::snipping2::

Snyder, 53, said she oversaw the free continental breakfast for guests at the Comfort Inn in Sandy, about 16 miles south of where the Powells lived in West Valley City. When she showed up for work at 6:30 that morning, she said, Josh Powell and the boys were there.

"Charlie looked right up at me and he says, 'Do you know what happened to my mom?' So I say, 'No, what happened to your mom?'" Snyder said.

She never got an answer. She was called away to fetch coffee for guests, and when she came back, Powell and the boys were gone, she said.

Josh Powell kept his face down as his older boy spoke up unexpectedly, she said.

Snyder recalled the encounter days later, after Susan Powell's disappearance began to make news. She said she called a tip line set up by police, but didn't hear back at the time.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765550834/Possible-clues-no-quick-answers-in-Powell-case.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 15, 2012, 12:14:23 PM
 ::snipping2::


The worker, Robin Leanne Snyder, 53, oversaw the free breakfast for guests at the Comfort Inn there. She called a tip line set up by police after Susan Powell's disappearance began to make news, but at the time, she never heard back, she said.

"Charlie looked right up at me and he says, 'Do you know what happened to my mom?' So I say, 'No, what happened to your mom?"' Snyder told The Associated Press on Tuesday.

She never got an answer. She was called to fetch coffee for guests and when she returned, Josh Powell had left with his boys.

"He didn't even give the kids time to eat their sweet rolls -- each had a small bite on them," she said.

Snyder said Josh Powell kept his face down as his older boy spoke up unexpectedly.

It wasn't until two weeks ago that a West Valley detective interviewed her, she said. By then, the hotel's security tapes for the day had long been recycled.

It was unclear if the interview took place before or after the deaths of Powell and the two boys.

Snyder learned from her bosses that Josh Powell hadn't taken a room in his name, although he was in the breakfast room when she arrived for work about 6:30 a.m.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/14/josh-powell-papers-found-at-washington-recycling-site/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: 4getUnot on February 15, 2012, 12:15:44 PM
Secret computer files may hold clues about Susan Powell's disappearance

Detectives investigating the Josh Powell case believe he may have left behind some information about Susan Powell's disappearance hidden in computer files, but they don't have the expertise to find it, KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reported.

Detective Gary Sanders of the Pierce County Sheriff's Department said Josh Powell was good with computers and "a very calculated individual."

Sanders said a search last August of the home where Powell lived with his father revealed nothing about Susan Powell's fate, but it did provide insight into Powell's personality.

"He kept birthday cards all categorized. He had bills categorized from years back, and I think that's just kind of his personality," Sanders said. "He was very meticulous about what he did."

Investigators said precision played into Josh Powell's final plot to kill his two sons and then himself.

Sanders said Powell studied the combustible properties of gasoline and determined how much he'd need to explode his home in Graham.

Then, he meticulously settled his finances, "sending notices to cancel all his utilities, shutting off Comcast -- all those things," Sanders said.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/secret-computer-files-may-hold-clues-about-susan-p/nHdGb/




As you have bolded above Northern, my question is, why did he leave instructions for someone to turn off utilities if he sent notices to cancel?  We seem to be getting conflicting stories here or for some reason both are true.  This is very puzzling to me.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 15, 2012, 12:19:10 PM
 ::snipping2::

When detectives got a search warrant for Steven Powell’s home, they found enough child pornography and evidence of voyeurism to put Steven Powell in jail.

In Josh Powell's room, they found 15 to 20 boxes of records, down to minor sales receipts, including gasoline purchases.

"He was a very meticulous, thoughtful person. This guy doesn't work on emotion," Wood said. “We have been working since that day to get those kids away from him."

That level of detail and control, combined with other evidence in the case, concerned investigators, and led a judge to take the boys from Josh Powell and place them with their mother’s parents, Chuck and Judy Cox of Puyallup.

Josh Powell would have to move out if he wanted the boys to be with him at his home.

To that end, he rented a house on a cul-de-sac in the Graham area.

But those who live on the same circle said they had no idea anyone lived in the house, which had been empty for some time. People who live across the street, up the street and behind the house’s backyard said Monday they thought the place was abandoned. They had never seen Powell or the boys there.

Detectives believe Powell created a fake home to use for supervised visits with the boys.
"He set it up like a rental place, with pictures of the family," Wood said. "I think it was staged so when CPS (Child Protective Services) came, it would look like a loving family."

It would look like a loving home, they said, but it would be a bomb.

Detectives believe that when Powell did not regain custody of the boys at a court hearing Feb. 1, he put a plan to kill them into motion. He had $6,500, and left instructions for his sister to pay bills with it and give the rest to his lawyer. He also told her how to turn off the utilities at the house he would detonate.

"That shows you his mind-set," Wood said.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/14/2026058/investigators-josh-powell-used.html?storylink=twt


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 15, 2012, 12:21:01 PM
Secret computer files may hold clues about Susan Powell's disappearance

Detectives investigating the Josh Powell case believe he may have left behind some information about Susan Powell's disappearance hidden in computer files, but they don't have the expertise to find it, KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reported.

Detective Gary Sanders of the Pierce County Sheriff's Department said Josh Powell was good with computers and "a very calculated individual."

Sanders said a search last August of the home where Powell lived with his father revealed nothing about Susan Powell's fate, but it did provide insight into Powell's personality.

"He kept birthday cards all categorized. He had bills categorized from years back, and I think that's just kind of his personality," Sanders said. "He was very meticulous about what he did."

Investigators said precision played into Josh Powell's final plot to kill his two sons and then himself.

Sanders said Powell studied the combustible properties of gasoline and determined how much he'd need to explode his home in Graham.

Then, he meticulously settled his finances, "sending notices to cancel all his utilities, shutting off Comcast -- all those things," Sanders said.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/secret-computer-files-may-hold-clues-about-susan-p/nHdGb/




As you have bolded above Northern, my question is, why did he leave instructions for someone to turn off utilities if he sent notices to cancel?  We seem to be getting conflicting stories here or for some reason both are true.  This is very puzzling to me.


I know.  He may have sent out the emails and then left Alaina instructions on who to pay? 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 15, 2012, 12:22:31 PM
Secret computer files may hold clues about Susan Powell's disappearance

Detectives investigating the Josh Powell case believe he may have left behind some information about Susan Powell's disappearance hidden in computer files, but they don't have the expertise to find it, KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reported.

Detective Gary Sanders of the Pierce County Sheriff's Department said Josh Powell was good with computers and "a very calculated individual."

Sanders said a search last August of the home where Powell lived with his father revealed nothing about Susan Powell's fate, but it did provide insight into Powell's personality.

"He kept birthday cards all categorized. He had bills categorized from years back, and I think that's just kind of his personality," Sanders said. "He was very meticulous about what he did."

Investigators said precision played into Josh Powell's final plot to kill his two sons and then himself.

Sanders said Powell studied the combustible properties of gasoline and determined how much he'd need to explode his home in Graham.

Then, he meticulously settled his finances, "sending notices to cancel all his utilities, shutting off Comcast -- all those things," Sanders said.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/secret-computer-files-may-hold-clues-about-susan-p/nHdGb/



JP was no computer genius.  If Pierce County doesn't have the resources to hack his files then find someone who can.  I mean come on already!

If he was so anal to keep receipts for years then he kept something pertaining to his disappearance of Susan.  It's there.  LE just has to find someone to help them sort the info. 

It really sounds like the authorities in Utah screwed this up.  If this witness from the hotel called in the tip and they are only now interviewing her that is horrible.  Those boys might have been saved.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 15, 2012, 12:24:47 PM
Steven Powell invokes right to remain silent in Susan Powell case

PUYALLUP, Washington— In a newly filed court document, Steven Powell re-invokes his right to remain silent and makes it apparent he will not be cooperating with authorities investigating his daughter-in-law's disappearance.

The document filed Tuesday in Piece County Superior Court is addressed to the FBI, Utah law enforcement and West Valley City police.

"The undersigned asserts his right to remain silent pursuant to Washington and Federal Law," the document states.

Steven Powell also reasserted that any contact by any law enforcement is to go through his attorney. Police in Washington state have sought to question him about the Feb. 5 murder-suicide involving his son, Josh Powell, and his grandkids, Charlie and Braden. West Valley City police have also wanted to question Steven Powell about anything he might know related to the 2009 disappearance of Susan Cox Powell.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-steven-powell-cites-5th-amendment-not-help-to-police-20120215,0,528597.story


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 15, 2012, 12:26:34 PM
Steven Powell won't cooperate with police Susan Powell investigation

SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) -Josh Powell's father, Steven Powell has made a surprise move in court. He has filed paperwork in Washington stating that he will not speak or cooperate with police in any way.

He simply will not help in the investigation into Susan Powell’s disappearance.

The notice was filed at the Pierce County clerk's office in Washington on Sunday, just a week after his son, Josh Powell and his two grandchildren were found dead in the home explosion in Graham, Washington.

Powell is invoking his 5th Amendment right to not say a word to West Valley Police Department, according to the court documents.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc/story/Steven-Powell-wont-cooperate-with-police-Susan/1-Ja9GzBz0qjndee7T-6aw.cspx
OK.  I'm all for basic human rights, but this guy has behaved in a way that I think cancels those out.  Time to make him talk.  As someone mentioned days ago...bust his family jewels till he tells what he knows.  SP is as much a coward as JP.  He can dish out the abuse but he wouldn't be able to handle it himself.  It would only take a little pain and he'd be crying like a girl ready to spill all his dirty secrets.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 15, 2012, 12:27:12 PM
 ::snipping2::


On Sunday, volunteers combed through more than 10 tons of paper at a recycling center after detectives received a tip that Powell might have dumped papers there before the killings.

They found paperback books with his wife's name on them and a Utah map. An item described by detectives as a "testament" with Powell's name on it turned out to be a Mormon religious book, Troyer said.

::snipping2::

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/14/josh-powell-papers-found-at-washington-recycling-site/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: 4getUnot on February 15, 2012, 12:36:58 PM
Below is a clipping from a link provided by graceland -

 ::snipping2::
"Also gas cans," Wood said. "We believe he got the gas from the storage shed."
The two cans found at the house were like the cans in the shed, he said, and there is evidence Powell had researched the explosive properties of gasoline.
 ::snipping2::
Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/14/2026058/investigators-josh-powell-used.html?storylink=mrc#storylink=cpy

Then there was this provided by carpe -

Fred Meyers store - purchases gas can(s) and a pack of sterno. (Dateline NBC)

So were the gas cans purchased at Fred Meyers the same as in the shed or what?  The reason I question this is because where is the generator and also the sterno packs?  IMO Josh did not wait until the boys were there to douse the house he was ready when he pulled them inside and locked the door.

Also another reason I think they should positively identify the body of Josh Powell is because Steven Koecher is still missing and I know it seems a stretch but isn't it possible if Josh were faking his own death that the burned body in the house may be that of Koecher who disappeared the same week that Susan did?
Here is a link about Steven Koecher - http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/koecher_steven.html
There is also another link about Steven Koecher and Susan here -
http://susanpowell.org/Susan-Powell-missing-person/Steven-Koecher-Susan-Powell-connection/Parallel-disappearances-Utah-Steven-Koecher-Susan-Powell

If you remember how Steven attacked Susan's character and then the above website, which some believe that Josh and his dad may have set up, seems to implicate Steven's disappearance with that of Susan.  Could it be that Josh Powell and Steven Powell hatched some diabolical plan before Susan ever went missing? 

 




Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on February 15, 2012, 12:39:40 PM
(A little OP)
I bought a bucket of emergency food in 2005, the expiration date was 2015. For 6 years I kept the unopened thing in the garage, wondering what was inside that would have a shelf life of 10 years. It didn't have much of a list of the contents on the outside, only that it served a family of four for one month.

The bucket was made of plastic, and was taking some space in the garage. I had bought it because of the hurricanes of 2004, which closed the stores for weeks, and the loss of power prevented stoves and fridges from working.

Anyway, last year I got tired of the bucket sitting in the corner gathering dust for years, so I decided to open it and finally find out what was inside. When I opened I got quite a surprise.

Half of the bucket was brandless ramen noodles, the other half was dry macarroni. There were a few little envelopes with salt and pepper, but that was it. I paid $85 dollars for the darned thing.

I could've gotten the same amount of macarroni and ramen noodles with $20, and they would've been brandname. Though, there was a paper inside the bucket that said that the bucket was buoyant, and could be used as a floating device in case of emergency.

------

About the stuff in Josh's storage, maybe it was the LDS prepareness for doomsday thing. But, it could also be that he was preparing to run in case police figured out what happened to Susan. Having the stuff there 24/7 would be convenient for him.

Either way, he planned things. So, it is reasonable to think that he planned Susan's demise, too. Inviting the friend over and maybe drugging Susan so someone could witness Susan not feeling well, the ice skating trip with the boys, the "camping" in a blizzard, the new generator, etc...



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on February 15, 2012, 12:48:53 PM
::snipping2::

Then there was this provided by carpe -

Fred Meyers store - purchases gas can(s) and a pack of sterno. (Dateline NBC)

So were the gas cans purchased at Fred Meyers the same as in the shed or what?  The reason I question this is because where is the generator and also the sterno packs?  IMO Josh did not wait until the boys were there to douse the house he was ready when he pulled them inside and locked the door.

Also another reason I think they should positively identify the body of Josh Powell is because Steven Koecher is still missing and I know it seems a stretch but isn't it possible if Josh were faking his own death that the burned body in the house may be that of Koecher who disappeared the same week that Susan did?
Here is a link about Steven Koecher - http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/koecher_steven.html
There is also another link about Steven Koecher and Susan here -
http://susanpowell.org/Susan-Powell-missing-person/Steven-Koecher-Susan-Powell-connection/Parallel-disappearances-Utah-Steven-Koecher-Susan-Powell

 ::snipping2::


That's some intriguing thinking. Let's hope that the body is identified by DNA or dental records to prove it is Josh, and that he is not sitting in some Caribbean island sipping Margaritas. Steven Koecher was never proven to have been in contact with Susan, no emails, phone calls, witness who saw them together, nothing.

I do wonder if Koecher ever crossed the Powell's path.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: 4getUnot on February 15, 2012, 01:19:30 PM
::snipping2::

Then there was this provided by carpe -

Fred Meyers store - purchases gas can(s) and a pack of sterno. (Dateline NBC)

So were the gas cans purchased at Fred Meyers the same as in the shed or what?  The reason I question this is because where is the generator and also the sterno packs?  IMO Josh did not wait until the boys were there to douse the house he was ready when he pulled them inside and locked the door.

Also another reason I think they should positively identify the body of Josh Powell is because Steven Koecher is still missing and I know it seems a stretch but isn't it possible if Josh were faking his own death that the burned body in the house may be that of Koecher who disappeared the same week that Susan did?
Here is a link about Steven Koecher - http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/koecher_steven.html
There is also another link about Steven Koecher and Susan here -
http://susanpowell.org/Susan-Powell-missing-person/Steven-Koecher-Susan-Powell-connection/Parallel-disappearances-Utah-Steven-Koecher-Susan-Powell

 ::snipping2::


That's some intriguing thinking. Let's hope that the body is identified by DNA or dental records to prove it is Josh, and that he is not sitting in some Caribbean island sipping Margaritas. Steven Koecher was never proven to have been in contact with Susan, no emails, phone calls, witness who saw them together, nothing.

I do wonder if Koecher ever crossed the Powell's path.


I do believe he did cross paths with a Powell but I don't believe it was Susan Powell as has been suggested.  The authorities do know what they are dealing with and i can see contradictions in Josh's thought patterns.  For instance some of the articles have said that he seemed to be thoughtful in giving the toys away, making sure the utilities would be turned off and paid, but the elephant in the room is WTH would he burn down completely someone else's property when he could have committed homicide/suicide without the blazing fire.  To me the blazing fire means one thing and that was to destroy the DNA that could identify the bodies and allow him to make a getaway.  IMO he was too much of a coward to take his own life!  Think about it, they find 3 charred bodies in the house and automatically make the assumption it was Josh and his boys. Don't you think this is what he was counting on?  Why would he hatchet the boys if they were gonna die anyway unless it was two other boys he had to make sure were found instead of his boys?  I just want to know for sure that he and his father didn't commit a "perfect crime" KWIM!
 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: 4getUnot on February 15, 2012, 01:32:27 PM
Something I noticed about the house he burned down was there was a road behind it.  Someone could have been waiting out back to pick him up and if the neighbors didn't know anyone lived there then he could probably leave out the back unnoticed.  The blazing house on fire would also have everyones attention directed away from him.  As methodical as he was I believe everything I've stated here could be possible IMO.  I have a pretty long house and I can Walk from front to back in less that one minute.  In the time it took for the worker to make a call he could have been out the back with the boys and throw the igniter in to blow it up.  In five minutes he could have been on his way away from the area. 

I'm glad I have the monkeys to share these thoughts with, it helps to get them off my mind.





Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 15, 2012, 01:33:35 PM
I think the parallels of the Steven Koecher to Susan Powell came from Josh and his pappy
sitting around in their bathrobes and bonnets acting like a couple of Gossiping Gertrudes,
much like Aunt Bea & Miss Clara! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Steve & Joshie "brain-storming-farting" over coffee and tea cookies.

It makes me just want to go fetch his alphabetized b'day card collection and throw them up in the air!

I hope they land helter skelter and every which-a-way. Fine line between 'detail oriented' and 'whackadoodle'!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: 4getUnot on February 15, 2012, 01:38:22 PM
I think the parallels of the Steven Koecher to Susan Powell came from Josh and his pappy
sitting around in their bathrobes and bonnets acting like a couple of Gossiping Gertrudes,
much like Aunt Bea & Miss Clara! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Steve & Joshie "brain-storming-farting" over coffee and tea cookies.

It makes me just want to go fetch his alphabetized b'day card collection and throw them up in the air!

I hope they land helter skelter and every which-a-way. Fine line between 'detail oriented' and 'whackadoodle'!


Where would we be without your humor? ROFL LOL



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: sailcat on February 15, 2012, 01:47:26 PM
I think the parallels of the Steven Koecher to Susan Powell came from Josh and his pappy
sitting around in their bathrobes and bonnets acting like a couple of Gossiping Gertrudes,
much like Aunt Bea & Miss Clara! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Steve & Joshie "brain-storming-farting" over coffee and tea cookies.

It makes me just want to go fetch his alphabetized b'day card collection and throw them up in the air!

I hope they land helter skelter and every which-a-way. Fine line between 'detail oriented' and 'whackadoodle'!


Insult Aunt Bee all you want, but leave Clara out of it!!!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 15, 2012, 02:22:59 PM
Josh Powell's Family Wants Burial Near Slain Boys


A lawyer for the parents of missing Utah woman Susan Powell says her husband's relatives are trying to have him buried at the same cemetery as the two sons he murdered.

Attorney Anne Bremner says the city manager of Puyallup informed her Wednesday that Josh Powell's relatives want him buried at the city-owned Woodbine Cemetery, where his boys were laid to rest last weekend.

Bremner says she will seek a temporary restraining order to block the burial, but the city manager told her that because it's a public cemetery, the city may have no choice.

 ::snipping2::

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/josh-powells-family-burial-slain-boys-15640919


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 15, 2012, 02:24:31 PM
Steven Powell tells police he won't talk to them

Like his son, Steven Powell says he has no interest talking to police.

On Tuesday, Powell, currently in the Pierce County Jail awaiting trial on 14 counts of voyeurism and one count of possession of child pornography, filed a notice in Pierce County Superior Court invoking his right to remain silent.

In the one page notice addressed to seven different agencies from Utah and Washington — including West Valley police, the FBI, all of Utah law enforcement and the Pierce County Sheriff's Office — Powell said he "does not wish to discuss or make statements of any kind regarding any subject matter including, but not limited to, statements pertaining to any alleged or suspected criminal activity."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865550183/Steven-Powell-tells-police-he-wont-talk-to-them.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 15, 2012, 02:55:39 PM
Josh Powell's Family Wants Burial Near Slain Boys


A lawyer for the parents of missing Utah woman Susan Powell says her husband's relatives are trying to have him buried at the same cemetery as the two sons he murdered.

Attorney Anne Bremner says the city manager of Puyallup informed her Wednesday that Josh Powell's relatives want him buried at the city-owned Woodbine Cemetery, where his boys were laid to rest last weekend.

Bremner says she will seek a temporary restraining order to block the burial, but the city manager told her that because it's a public cemetery, the city may have no choice.

 ::snipping2::

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/josh-powells-family-burial-slain-boys-15640919

 ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyMad::

Quote
The city manager in Puyallup (pyoo-AL'-up), Ralph Dannenberg, tells The Associated Press that Powell's relatives visited the public Woodbine Cemetery and selected a plot about 25 feet from the boys. They haven't paid for it yet, and Dannenberg says any sale will be put on hold because the parents of Powell's missing wife have threatened legal action.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/josh-powells-family-burial-slain-boys-15640919


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 15, 2012, 02:56:52 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/family-of-missing-utah-woman-hopes-to-block-josh-powell-from-being-buried-near-boys-he-killed/2012/02/15/gIQA2wP5FR_story.html
Family of missing Utah woman hopes to block Josh Powell from being buried near boys he killed
February 15, 2012

SEATTLE — Josh Powell’s surviving relatives want him buried at the same cemetery as the two sons he murdered.

The city manager in Puyallup (pyoo-AL’-up), Ralph Dannenberg, tells The Associated Press that Powell’s relatives visited the public Woodbine Cemetery and selected a plot about 25 feet from the boys. They haven’t paid for it yet, and Dannenberg says any sale will be put on hold because the parents of Powell’s missing wife have threatened legal action.
 ::snipping2::
The boys were laid to rest at Woodbine on Saturday. Attorney Anne Bremner says she will seek a temporary restraining order to block Josh Powell from being buried there.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 15, 2012, 03:10:02 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/family-of-missing-utah-woman-hopes-to-block-josh-powell-from-being-buried-near-boys-he-killed/2012/02/15/gIQA2wP5FR_story.html
Family of missing Utah woman hopes to block Josh Powell from being buried near boys he killed
February 15, 2012

SEATTLE — Josh Powell’s surviving relatives want him buried at the same cemetery as the two sons he murdered.

The city manager in Puyallup (pyoo-AL’-up), Ralph Dannenberg, tells The Associated Press that Powell’s relatives visited the public Woodbine Cemetery and selected a plot about 25 feet from the boys. They haven’t paid for it yet, and Dannenberg says any sale will be put on hold because the parents of Powell’s missing wife have threatened legal action.
 ::snipping2::
The boys were laid to rest at Woodbine on Saturday. Attorney Anne Bremner says she will seek a temporary restraining order to block Josh Powell from being buried there.

Oh goody, NOT.   ::MonkeyMad::
Where ever @sswipe is buried, put a  stone hatchet for a grave marker with "son of evil" or " the devil himself" written on it.
Do they have any caves to bury it in?? 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 15, 2012, 03:11:07 PM
It is a big cemetery.  He doesn't have to be that close to the boys' graves even if there is no policy against his interment. Too bad I am not in charge of his burial.  ::MonkeyShovel::

http://www.cityofpuyallup.org/services/cemetery/ (http://www.cityofpuyallup.org/services/cemetery/)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 15, 2012, 03:36:31 PM
Steven Powell Declaration
http://www.scribd.com/doc/81720854/Steven-Powell-declaration


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 15, 2012, 03:56:49 PM
Josh Powell's Family Wants Burial Near Slain Boys


A lawyer for the parents of missing Utah woman Susan Powell says her husband's relatives are trying to have him buried at the same cemetery as the two sons he murdered.

Attorney Anne Bremner says the city manager of Puyallup informed her Wednesday that Josh Powell's relatives want him buried at the city-owned Woodbine Cemetery, where his boys were laid to rest last weekend.

Bremner says she will seek a temporary restraining order to block the burial, but the city manager told her that because it's a public cemetery, the city may have no choice.

 ::snipping2::

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/josh-powells-family-burial-slain-boys-15640919
Oh, no.  NO NO NO NO NO.  Let the buzzards have him.  No wait.  They'd get sick.  Just throw his crispy carcass out in those mountains he likes so much.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 15, 2012, 03:59:31 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/KIROTVPierceCo
KIRO TV Pierce Co @KIROTVPierceCo
#CityofPuyallup says that unless a judge blocks #joshpowell burial, they will have no choice in allowing his burial near boys.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 15, 2012, 04:04:22 PM
Maybe this is what the 7K was for?

I pray a judge blocks it or citizens of the community go invest in burial plots surrounding those babies.  No part of him deserves to be anywhere near those kids in life or in death.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 15, 2012, 04:10:22 PM
Maybe this is what the 7K was for?

I pray a judge blocks it or citizens of the community go invest in burial plots surrounding those babies.  No part of him deserves to be anywhere near those kids in life or in death.

His family might want to rethink this.  Anyone visiting the boys' grave might be easily inclined to take out their frustrations on the "resting place" of their father.  For example, the grave of Lee Harvey Oswald had to be moved and the marker removed because of the vandalization that took place.   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 15, 2012, 04:11:17 PM
I don't know of any way Josh Powell's burial by his family not only in the same cemetery but 25 feet away from the children can be legally stopped.  I don't know where influence or pressure could come from to discourage them from it.  I think it's just another terrible, lasting affront to the Cox family, their missing daughter and mother of Charlie and Braden.  Instead of quietly burying Josh somewhere they have to shove it in the Cox's faces.  What a terrible, terrible thing to bury the one that terrrorized and brutally murdered the children in close proximity to them.  No one can hurt the boys anymore, but it is like rubbing the Cox's nose in it and a travesty to the memory of two innocent boys murdered at the hand of their own father.  Why?  Why?  The Powell's must all be vile, hateful people.  Two little innocent brothers murdered by a maniac and now they may have to rest in eternity near him.  When the Cox's come to visit the boys grave site, the evil one will be close by if it can't be stopped. 

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  Every time I think it can't get any worse, it does.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 15, 2012, 04:11:57 PM
Maybe this is what the 7K was for?

I pray a judge blocks it or citizens of the community go invest in burial plots surrounding those babies.  No part of him deserves to be anywhere near those kids in life or in death.

ITA KittyMom!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 15, 2012, 04:14:37 PM
The Powell's are just totally warped to even consider burying Josh in the same cemetery, let alone 25 feet from Charlie and Braden's grave site.  JMHO  Don't they have a shred of consideration or decency for the two boys?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: yuknomenot on February 15, 2012, 04:19:42 PM
The Powell's are just totally warped to even consider burying Josh in the same cemetery, let alone 25 feet from Charlie and Braden's grave site.  JMHO  Don't they have a shred of consideration or decency for the two boys?
The answer is no, they don't.  If they had any decency at all Susan and the boys would not have been murdered by that piece of excrement.  If they had any decency at all they would have made certain that that piece of excrement would have gotten the help they knew he needed years ago and he would have been locked away like all pieces of excrement should be. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 15, 2012, 05:10:06 PM
The Powell's are just totally warped to even consider burying Josh in the same cemetery, let alone 25 feet from Charlie and Braden's grave site.  JMHO  Don't they have a shred of consideration or decency for the two boys?
Who is behind this, Alina or Michael?  Sick, twisted bunch of freaks.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 15, 2012, 05:41:52 PM
I don't know of any way Josh Powell's burial by his family not only in the same cemetery but 25 feet away from the children can be legally stopped.  I don't know where influence or pressure could come from to discourage them from it.  I think it's just another terrible, lasting affront to the Cox family, their missing daughter and mother of Charlie and Braden.  Instead of quietly burying Josh somewhere they have to shove it in the Cox's faces.  What a terrible, terrible thing to bury the one that terrrorized and brutally murdered the children in close proximity to them.  No one can hurt the boys anymore, but it is like rubbing the Cox's nose in it and a travesty to the memory of two innocent boys murdered at the hand of their own father.  Why?  Why?  The Powell's must all be vile, hateful people.  Two little innocent brothers murdered by a maniac and now they may have to rest in eternity near him.  When the Cox's come to visit the boys grave site, the evil one will be close by if it can't be stopped. 

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  Every time I think it can't get any worse, it does.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 
::rhino::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 15, 2012, 06:04:57 PM


Snyder recalled the encounter days later, after Susan Powell's disappearance began to make news. She said she called a tip line set up by police, but didn't hear back at the time.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765550834/Possible-clues-no-quick-answers-in-Powell-case.html

This is reassuring to know, that LE followed up on every lead!!   2+ years later!   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 15, 2012, 06:13:57 PM
I don't know of any way Josh Powell's burial by his family not only in the same cemetery but 25 feet away from the children can be legally stopped.  I don't know where influence or pressure could come from to discourage them from it.  I think it's just another terrible, lasting affront to the Cox family, their missing daughter and mother of Charlie and Braden.  Instead of quietly burying Josh somewhere they have to shove it in the Cox's faces.  What a terrible, terrible thing to bury the one that terrrorized and brutally murdered the children in close proximity to them.  No one can hurt the boys anymore, but it is like rubbing the Cox's nose in it and a travesty to the memory of two innocent boys murdered at the hand of their own father.  Why?  Why?  The Powell's must all be vile, hateful people.  Two little innocent brothers murdered by a maniac and now they may have to rest in eternity near him.   When the Cox's come to visit the boys grave site, the evil one will be close by if it can't be stopped. 

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  Every time I think it can't get any worse, it does.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

are the brother and sister mormon?
BBM
well according to the mormon doctrine......more at link

What do Mormons believe happens to us after we die? What do Mormons believe about life after death?
Quote
Boley answered
When we die our spirits leave our physical bodies and pass into the spirit world. There they find themselves in one of two circumstances. Either they are in paradise--a state of rest, a place of peace free from the cares and worries of mortality, or they are in a type of "spiritual prison." This is not a prison with locks and bars per se, but it is a place where spirits dwell who lack the necessary covenant blessings to be able to proceed on their eternal path. These are matters that must be addressed before they can progress forward. We believe that we can help provide a way forward for these individuals through vicarious temple work on their behalf. Through these temple covenants we believe that we can make availabe to individuals in the spirit world completed covenants which if accepted will allow them to continue along their eternal path. These principles are taught in the New Testament (Isaiah 61:1; 1Cor 15:12-29; 1Pet 3:18-22) and further expouned in the Doctrine & Covenants (D&C 128:16-18; D&C 138:47-54). We believe that during the three days that Christ's body lay in the tomb, His spirit went to the spirit world and there He organized the preaching of the gospel to the spirits in prison. We labor in the holy temples to bring the blessings of baptism and of temple covenants to our ancestors so that they might have a hope and faith in the atonement of Christ as well. Ultimately, we will resurrect and our bodies and spirits will be reunited and we will live immortally forever as families sealed together in eternal family organizations if we are faithful in keeping the covenants we make during this life.
http://mormon.org/faq/life-after-death/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 15, 2012, 06:16:20 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/PierceSheriff (https://twitter.com/#!/PierceSheriff)
Detective Ed Troyer @PierceSheriff
Crime Stoppers just purchased the cemetary plots next to the Powell boys. We own the plots on both sides of the single grave the boys are in


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: labubske on February 15, 2012, 06:25:27 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/PierceSheriff (https://twitter.com/#!/PierceSheriff)
Detective Ed Troyer @PierceSheriff
Crime Stoppers just purchased the cemetary plots next to the Powell boys. We own the plots on both sides of the single grave the boys are in


Amazing...I love when people pull together.  How dare that family even consider burying that evil next to or close to those precious boys.  How dare them. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 15, 2012, 06:28:27 PM
sorry i missed a line or 2 in the cut and paste of this post
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12009.msg1509338#msg1509338

if the Cox's are mormon,they will have to seek council,from the temple,to deal
with the tragedy that josh created,to stay on their path to eternal life,according
to mormon doctrine
at least thats what im getting out of the reading
http://mormon.org/faith/
http://mormonbeliefs.org/index


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 15, 2012, 06:29:19 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/PierceSheriff (https://twitter.com/#!/PierceSheriff)
Detective Ed Troyer @PierceSheriff
Crime Stoppers just purchased the cemetary plots next to the Powell boys. We own the plots on both sides of the single grave the boys are in


Amazing...I love when people pull together.  How dare that family even consider burying that evil next to or close to those precious boys.  How dare them. 
::rhino::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: labubske on February 15, 2012, 06:31:05 PM
Maybe this is what the 7K was for?

I pray a judge blocks it or citizens of the community go invest in burial plots surrounding those babies.  No part of him deserves to be anywhere near those kids in life or in death.

That is what I was thinking, his sister had instructions to bury them close together.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Green Eyes on February 15, 2012, 06:37:05 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/PierceSheriff (https://twitter.com/#!/PierceSheriff)
Detective Ed Troyer @PierceSheriff
Crime Stoppers just purchased the cemetary plots next to the Powell boys. We own the plots on both sides of the single grave the boys are in


Alright !!!!!! Thank You Crime Stoppers.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 15, 2012, 06:44:35 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/PierceSheriff (https://twitter.com/#!/PierceSheriff)
Detective Ed Troyer @PierceSheriff
Crime Stoppers just purchased the cemetary plots next to the Powell boys. We own the plots on both sides of the single grave the boys are in


Alright !!!!!! Thank You Crime Stoppers.
   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 15, 2012, 06:57:10 PM
i knew josh was lying in the begining,about going to simpson camp,
with the time, he was sighted at the inn (6:30am),he could not have
killed susan and disposed of her,and drive the distance,in a snowstorm
i think the LE should look closer to home,for mines,holes in the ground
for susan,josh gave the same time every time he was asked,12:30 am,he
could be lying about that too,but IIRC,a neighbor said the car alarm went
off at around 11:30pm
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WV to simpson camp
86.2 mi, 2 hours 52 mins
UT-36 S
using hwy
http://g.co/maps/chs93

simpson camp to sandy
not useing a hwy
77.6 mi, 3 hours 7 mins
UT-73 E
http://g.co/maps/ucta9

WV to simpson camp to sandy
using hwy
187 mi, 5 hours 58 mins
UT-36 N
http://g.co/maps/5kz8q
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12:30 a.m., Monday, Dec. 7 — Josh Powell reports last seeing his wife as she goes to bed and he leaves with children for late-night camping trip in the west desert near Tooele.
Monday, Dec. 7 — Police respond to the couple's West Valley home, 6254 W. Sarah Circle, after Susan failed to show up at work and drop their kids off at daycare.
5 p.m. Dec. 7 — Josh returns home with the boys, is informed the family was feared missing and meets with police.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705398807/Josh-Powell-Susan-Cox-Powell-timeline-Tragic-two-year-odyssey-ends-in-more-tragedy.html
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Among the new information detectives have received lately: A hotel worker in Sandy, Utah, 17 miles south of Salt Lake City, told them Josh Powell and the boys showed up for a continental breakfast the day Susan Powell was reported missing.

Snyder learned from her bosses that Josh Powell hadn't taken a room in his name, although he was in the breakfast room when she arrived for work about 6:30 a.m.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/14/josh-powell-papers-found-at-washington-recycling-site/


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 15, 2012, 07:29:42 PM
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/15/10418602-police-buy-cemetery-plots-to-block-josh-powell-from-being-buried-next-to-his-boys
Police buy cemetery plots to block Josh Powell from being buried next to his boys
February 15, 2012

A sheriff and his sergeant in Washington state have bought burial plots next to Josh Powell's boys in order to block family members from burying him next to them, according to a media report Wednesday.

"The bottom line is, Josh Powell will not be near those two boys," Pierce County Sheriff's Sgt. Ed Troyer said in an interview with a Seattle-area radio program called the Ron and Don Show.

Josh Powell's surviving relatives wanted him to buried at the same cemetery as the two sons he killed, the city manager in Puyallup said earlier Wednesday.

But that does not look like it is going to happen.

Troyer and Sheriff Paul Pastor used their personal money and funds from Crimestoppers Tacoma-Pierce County to buy plots that are on either side of the boys, according to a report on the radio station's website that was confirmed by Troyer on Twitter: See Tweet in article at link.

Crimestoppers is soliciting money on its website for the purchase of the plots.

Powell's relatives visited the public Woodbine Cemetery and selected a plot about 25 feet from the boys, City Manager Ralph Dannenberg told The Associated Press earlier Wednesday. They haven't paid for it yet, and any sale is being put on hold because the parents of Powell's missing wife have promised legal action.

"We don't have any rules or procedures regarding refusing plots to anyone," Dannenberg said. "We're going to wait to see what the outcome is in court."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 15, 2012, 09:28:15 PM
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/15/10418602-police-buy-cemetery-plots-to-block-josh-powell-from-being-buried-next-to-his-boys
Police buy cemetery plots to block Josh Powell from being buried next to his boys
February 15, 2012

A sheriff and his sergeant in Washington state have bought burial plots next to Josh Powell's boys in order to block family members from burying him next to them, according to a media report Wednesday.

"The bottom line is, Josh Powell will not be near those two boys," Pierce County Sheriff's Sgt. Ed Troyer said in an interview with a Seattle-area radio program called the Ron and Don Show.

Josh Powell's surviving relatives wanted him to buried at the same cemetery as the two sons he killed, the city manager in Puyallup said earlier Wednesday.

But that does not look like it is going to happen.

Troyer and Sheriff Paul Pastor used their personal money and funds from Crimestoppers Tacoma-Pierce County to buy plots that are on either side of the boys, according to a report on the radio station's website that was confirmed by Troyer on Twitter: See Tweet in article at link.

Crimestoppers is soliciting money on its website for the purchase of the plots.

Powell's relatives visited the public Woodbine Cemetery and selected a plot about 25 feet from the boys, City Manager Ralph Dannenberg told The Associated Press earlier Wednesday. They haven't paid for it yet, and any sale is being put on hold because the parents of Powell's missing wife have promised legal action.

"We don't have any rules or procedures regarding refusing plots to anyone," Dannenberg said. "We're going to wait to see what the outcome is in court."
 ::snipping2::
Men of honor and integrity.   :smt041


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 15, 2012, 10:35:26 PM
Pierce Co. Crime Stoppers buys cemetery plots next to Powell boys

In an effort to prevent the possible burial of Josh Powell next to the two young sons he killed, the nonprofit group Crime Stoppers of Tacoma-Pierce County quickly purchased cemetery plots on each side of the boys Wednesday.

"Crime Stoppers of Tacoma-Pierce County has purchased the plots surrounding Charlie and Braden Powell's place of rest to create a memorial site for the boys," a statement on the group's website said. It asked the public for donations.

 ::snipping2::

When the local Crime Stoppers group got wind of the news, Pierce County Sheriff Paul Pastor and Sgt. Ed Troyer each donated $100 to help purchase the plots, expected to cost about $4,000 to $5,000.

 ::snipping2::

Crime Stoppers of Tacoma-Pierce County has no paid employees, and is made up of 20 citizen volunteer board members, a program coordinator and an executive director.  Board members are responsible for fundraising for rewards, approving and paying rewards, and promoting the program to the community.

The group said the public can make a donation for the memorial here. http://tpcrimestoppers.com/


http://www.fox13now.com/news/kcpq-josh-powells-family-wants-him-buried-next-to-his-sons-20120215,0,1938194.story



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 15, 2012, 11:37:16 PM
 ::snipping2::

The Powell family had asked that a casket similar to the one the boys were buried in be used for Josh Powell and placed near the boys' burial location.

"Just when you think it couldn't get any worse, it does," Anne Bremner, an attorney for the boys' grandparents Chuck and Judy Cox, said Wednesday.

Bremner said she was preparing a temporary restraining order and planned to file it with the court if necessary.

"When I first heard this, I couldn't believe it. I still can't believe it. I've just been sick to my stomach. I'm just kind of speechless," she told the Deseret News. "You shouldn't have the murderer be there with the victims for time and eternity

 ::snipping2::

Adding more salt to the situation, Bremner said the Cox family has bought a plot of land next to the children that they were hoping to use when missing Utahn Susan Cox Powell's body is found.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=19241512


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 15, 2012, 11:56:25 PM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/02/no-burial-next-to-sons-for-josh-powell-police-buy-plots.html

Josh Powell won't be buried next to sons; officers buy plots
February 15, 2012 |  7:51 pm

To keep Josh Powell from being buried near the sons he killed, Crime Stoppers of Tacoma-Pierce County purchased the plots around Charles and Braden Powell's grave.

Josh Powell's family reportedly wanted him interred in the same cemetery on a hill overlooking his sons, whom he attacked with a hatchet before killing them and himself in a gas-fueled explosive fire Feb. 5.
 ::snipping2::
Powell's relatives had selected a plot at Woodbine Cemetery 80 to 100 feet from the plot where Charles, 7, and Braden, 5, were interred Monday, the AP reported. More than 1,000 people attended the boys' funeral on Saturday.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 15, 2012, 11:57:59 PM
::snipping2::

The Powell family had asked that a casket similar to the one the boys were buried in be used for Josh Powell and placed near the boys' burial location.
::snipping2::

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=19241512

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Are these people condoning what Josh did to his family or are they just all CRAZY, insensitive, crass and plain stupid?
 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 16, 2012, 12:05:08 AM
If Steve wants to go to Josh's funeral, the prison system should allow it on only one condition - that Steve answer any and all questions under a lie detector test prior to being allowed to go.

 ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 16, 2012, 12:05:56 AM
::snipping2::

The Powell family had asked that a casket similar to the one the boys were buried in be used for Josh Powell and placed near the boys' burial location.
::snipping2::

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=19241512

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Are these people condoning what Josh did to his family or are they just all CRAZY, insensitive, crass and plain stupid?
 

My guess is they blame LE and others for driving Josh to it, instead of laying the blame where it squarely belongs and that's on Josh himself.  He and he alone planned and executed the murder of two young, innocent boys. As far as CRAZY, insensitive, crass and plain stupid, I would say yes to all and lots more.  Warped minds and black hearts. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 16, 2012, 12:21:06 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-washington-explosion-deathstre81f09a-20120215,0,1793530.story

Group moves to stop Powell from being buried next to sons
Katherine Luck
Reuters
9:58 p.m. CST, February 15, 2012

 ::snipping2::
Puyallup City Manager Ralph Dannenberg said the move came amid outcry in the community over the proximity of the burial sites.

"I can't tell you the number of emails I've gotten about this," Dannenberg said.

Dannenberg reported that the sale of the adjacent burial plot to Powell's family had already been suspended through Friday pending the filing of a temporary restraining order by the Cox family.

But Bremner said the purchase of the burial plots would end the need for further legal action by the Cox family.

"They need to rest in peace," Bremner said of the two boys.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 16, 2012, 01:33:28 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57378951/controversy-surrounds-josh-powell-burial/

February 16, 2012 12:27 AM 
Controversy surrounds Josh Powell burial

(AP)  SEATTLE - Josh Powell's surviving relatives want him buried at the same cemetery as the two young sons he killed, in a plot just overlooking their grave, the city manager in Puyallup said Wednesday.

Powell's relatives visited the public Woodbine Cemetery and selected a plot just up a hill from the boys, about 80 to 100 feet away, City Manager Ralph Dannenberg told The Associated Press.

The grave, which is in clear view of the boys' plot, has already been dug and was covered with plywood Wednesday. The Powells haven't paid for it yet, and any sale is being put on hold because the parents of Powell's missing wife have promised legal action, Dannenberg said.
 ::snipping2::
Attorney Anne Bremner, who represents Susan Powell's parents, Charles and Judy Cox, says she will seek a temporary restraining order to block Josh Powell from being buried there. She said she could pursue claims against the city for emotional wrongs and outrage on behalf of the Coxes if the burial goes forward.

"For him to be buried near those kids is just unthinkable," Bremner said. "For God's sake, for them to lose Susan first, and then the boys, and now this? Just give these people a break."

Powell's sister Alina did not return an email from The Associated Press seeking comment


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 16, 2012, 02:49:19 AM
::snipping2::

The Powell family had asked that a casket similar to the one the boys were buried in be used for Josh Powell and placed near the boys' burial location.
::snipping2::

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=19241512

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Are these people condoning what Josh did to his family or are they just all CRAZY, insensitive, crass and plain stupid?
 

My guess is they blame LE and others for driving Josh to it, instead of laying the blame where it squarely belongs and that's on Josh himself.  He and he alone planned and executed the murder of two young, innocent boys. As far as CRAZY, insensitive, crass and plain stupid, I would say yes to all and lots more.  Warped minds and black hearts. 

Exactly!

This is beyond infuriating. I can only imagine how horrible this must be to the already added grief the Cox family is enduring. I pray that God puts His foot down and puts a stop to this sick torture the Powell's have been putting the Cox family through. Today, please Lord, make it stop today.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 16, 2012, 03:23:18 AM
Maybe this is what the 7K was for?

I pray a judge blocks it or citizens of the community go invest in burial plots surrounding those babies.  No part of him deserves to be anywhere near those kids in life or in death.

That is what I was thinking, his sister had instructions to bury them close together.

That may very well be. Either it was his idea or theirs, or they more than agree with his last wishes. No one with a working heart and decent mind would even consider carrying out such wishes. If it were his last wishes and they had working hearts, they would find another cemetery. I agree with MuffyBee, this was intentionally meant to hurt the Cox family.

These people are perverse monsters. I am very concerned that they will put the Cox family through more hell, always looking for more opportunities. It's some sick war that they intend to keep raging to no end. Lord please make it stop.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 16, 2012, 07:32:35 AM
Maybe this is what the 7K was for?

I pray a judge blocks it or citizens of the community go invest in burial plots surrounding those babies.  No part of him deserves to be anywhere near those kids in life or in death.

That is what I was thinking, his sister had instructions to bury them close together.

That may very well be. Either it was his idea or theirs, or they more than agree with his last wishes. No one with a working heart and decent mind would even consider carrying out such wishes. If it were his last wishes and they had working hearts, they would find another cemetery. I agree with MuffyBee, this was intentionally meant to hurt the Cox family.

These people are perverse monsters. I am very concerned that they will put the Cox family through more hell, always looking for more opportunities. It's some sick war that they intend to keep raging to no end. Lord please make it stop.
IF that 7K is being used to bury the killer, then Michael, Alina, or both knew beforehand of Josh's plan to kill himself and the boys.  Wouldn't that make them responsible for the crime?  I remember that Alina initially refused to give her cell phone to LE to see Josh's texts.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 16, 2012, 08:17:51 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/PierceSheriff (https://twitter.com/#!/PierceSheriff)
Detective Ed Troyer @PierceSheriff
Crime Stoppers just purchased the cemetary plots next to the Powell boys. We own the plots on both sides of the single grave the boys are in


This speaks volumes about the perceived level of Josh's guilt by these 2 men.

May God bless them and everyone who donates to help them in this beautifully selfless tribute to Charlie and Brandon.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 16, 2012, 08:25:23 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57378951/controversy-surrounds-josh-powell-burial/

February 16, 2012 12:27 AM 
Controversy surrounds Josh Powell burial

(AP)  SEATTLE - Josh Powell's surviving relatives want him buried at the same cemetery as the two young sons he killed, in a plot just overlooking their grave, the city manager in Puyallup said Wednesday.

Powell's relatives visited the public Woodbine Cemetery and selected a plot just up a hill from the boys, about 80 to 100 feet away, City Manager Ralph Dannenberg told The Associated Press.



Uphill of the boys grave - Josh still trying to be in control by being buried overlooking and UPHILL.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: nicubird on February 16, 2012, 07:43:43 PM
Powell family backs off burial plans for killer dad

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Powell-family-backing-off-gravesite-plans--139446858.html


SEATTLE (AP) - The man who killed his two sons in an explosive house fire in Washington state will not be buried in the same cemetery as the children, his family said Thursday.

Josh Powell's mother, Terri Powell, issued a written statement confirming that the family had given up a plot tentatively reserved at Woodbine Cemetery overlooking the boys' grave.

"We have tried so hard to be loving and considerate and respectful in making Josh's burial arrangements," she said. "We love our little Charlie and Braden and want their resting place to be a place of peace and comfort."
 ::snipping2::

Terri Powell, wracked by grief, realized early this week that no one else was planning for what to do with Josh Powell's remains, said her son-in-law, Kirk Graves. She visited a funeral home and a few cemeteries, he said, and she "cluelessly" picked a gravesite just up the hill from where the boys are buried.
 ::snipping2::
"We felt very strongly that it wasn't appropriate to put him anywhere near the boys, and we did our best over the last 48 hours to convince her to do something different," Graves said. "It wasn't that hard to convince her - she just got started off on the wrong path."

Attorney Steve Downing, who represents Susan Powell's parents, Charles and Judy Cox, said they were immensely relieved.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 16, 2012, 07:53:27 PM
Powell family backs off burial plans for killer dad

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Powell-family-backing-off-gravesite-plans--139446858.html


SEATTLE (AP) - The man who killed his two sons in an explosive house fire in Washington state will not be buried in the same cemetery as the children, his family said Thursday.

Josh Powell's mother, Terri Powell, issued a written statement confirming that the family had given up a plot tentatively reserved at Woodbine Cemetery overlooking the boys' grave.

"We have tried so hard to be loving and considerate and respectful in making Josh's burial arrangements," she said. "We love our little Charlie and Braden and want their resting place to be a place of peace and comfort."
 ::snipping2::

Terri Powell, wracked by grief, realized early this week that no one else was planning for what to do with Josh Powell's remains, said her son-in-law, Kirk Graves. She visited a funeral home and a few cemeteries, he said, and she "cluelessly" picked a gravesite just up the hill from where the boys are buried.
 ::snipping2::
"We felt very strongly that it wasn't appropriate to put him anywhere near the boys, and we did our best over the last 48 hours to convince her to do something different," Graves said. "It wasn't that hard to convince her - she just got started off on the wrong path."

Attorney Steve Downing, who represents Susan Powell's parents, Charles and Judy Cox, said they were immensely relieved.
 ::snipping2::

Bless Terri's heart, she is clueless. Remember, she let that little twinkie threaten her with a BUTCHER KNIFE and didn't give him a little attitude adjustment with a frying pan. It amazes me that twit lived to almost kiss 40 years. Jive friggin turkey. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 16, 2012, 08:11:27 PM


http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Powell-family-backing-off-gravesite-plans--139446858.html
I think it was a lot more than a case of Terrica just "cluelessly" picked a gravesite just up the hill from where the boys are buried.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  I believe it was the outrage and the threat by the Cox family to move the boys grave that got the Powell's to pow-wow and convince Terrica to not bury Josh in the same cemetery overlooking the boys grave site.  I don't believe it was a minor oopsie.  Not at all!! She was thinking about her poor Joshie-poo and not her two innocent grandsons dead by his hand.  JMHO

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/02/josh-powell-no-burial-near-sons.html
Facing outrage, Josh Powell's family gives up on burial near sons
February 16, 2012

 ::snipping2::
Kirk Graves, the brother-in-law of Josh Powell, told the Associated Press that the family had been divided over the plan and ultimately succeeded in convincing Powell's mother, Terrica, to reverse course.

"We felt very strongly that it wasn't appropriate to put him anywhere near the boys, and we did our best over the last 48 hours to convince her to do something different," he told the news service. "It wasn't that hard to convince her -- she just got started off on the wrong path."

Terrica Powell later released the following statement to the media:

    "We have tried so hard to be loving and considerate and respectful in making Josh’s burial arrangements," Terrica Powell wrote in the statement posted by the Salt Lake City Tribune. "We love our little Charlie and Braden and want their resting place to be a place of peace and comfort.

    "We have made the determination that Josh will not be buried at Woodbine Cemetery, but are in the process of making other arrangements.

    "Thank you to all who have so lovingly supported us in this time of inexpressible anguish. Our hearts go out to all of you who -- like us -- are reeling with shock and grief."

An uproar had followed the revelation that Powell's family was trying to buy a cemetery plot that would allow him to be buried near sons Charles, 7, and Braden, 5. The city of Puyallup put any such purchase on hold after the maternal grandparents, Chuck and Judy Cox, said they would take legal action to keep that from happening.

Then, Crime Stoppers of Tacoma-Pierce County, a nonprofit group dedicated to helping law enforcement fight crime, purchased the plotsaround the single grave shared by Charles and Braden Powell. Until Terrica Powell's announcement Thursday, it still remained a possibility that the family would try to bury Powell someplace else inside the cemetery.

Even if Powell's family managed to purchase the plot, his grave would not see any peace: Threats of vandalism and worse were already being rumored amid the outraged public. Still to be determined, however, is where Josh Powell will ultimately be laid to rest.
 ::snipping2::


 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cadillac on February 16, 2012, 08:12:29 PM
::snipping2::

The Powell family had asked that a casket similar to the one the boys were buried in be used for Josh Powell and placed near the boys' burial location.
::snipping2::

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=19241512

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Are these people condoning what Josh did to his family or are they just all CRAZY, insensitive, crass and plain stupid?
 
Yes, the latter.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 16, 2012, 08:18:08 PM
Terrica would have buried Josh on the hill overlooking the boys graves site but the Cox's threatened to
 move the boy's casket.  It wasn't out of the goodness of her heart that she changed the burial site imo.  And see the sentence I highlighted in green!  I love this Anne Bremer!!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/15/josh-powells-family-wants-him-buried-near-sons/
Josh Powell's family backs away from decision to bury killer near sons
February 16, 2012

SEATTLE –  Just hours after two Washington police officers bought cemetery plots next to two boys to prevent their killer father Josh Powell from being buried near them, the killer's family announced that his body will not be placed in the same cemetery as the boys.

Attorney Steve Downing said he was informed by Josh Powell's estranged sister, Jennifer Graves, that her mother would put out a statement Thursday announcing the decision.

Downing represents Charles and Judy Cox, the parents of Josh Powell's missing wife, Susan Powell.
The Coxes had threatened to move the boys' casket if Josh Powell were interred nearby.
Josh Powell’s relatives had visited the Woodbine Cemetery and initially selected a plot near where 7-year-old Charlie and 5-year-old Braden Powell are buried.

The decision set off a barrage of public anger and prompted two Washington police officers to intervene and buy surrounding plots.

"The bottom line is, Josh Powell will not be near those two boys," Pierce County Sheriff's Sgt. Ed Troyer told Seattle-based radio station KIRO-FM on Wednesday.

Troyer and Sheriff Paul Pastor used their own money and dipped into funds from Crime Stoppers Tacoma-Pierce County to pay for plots two and four at Woodbine Cemetery in Puyallup, Wash.

Pastor told FoxNews.com that it was "a good idea" that Josh Powell's family decided to bury him elsewhere.

"It was completely unacceptable that the killer be buried right next to his victims," he said.

The police officers said they weren’t “too worried” about the nearly $5,000 price tag and encouraged the public to donate to the Crime Stoppers fund. Poster reportedly said he will personally send thank-you notes to anyone who contributes.
 ::snipping2::
Troyer went on to say that if the boys' mother Susan – who vanished in December 2009, with her husband named a person of interest in the case – is found dead, she could be buried in one of the two plots next to her sons.

Anne Bremmer, an attorney for Susan’s parents, praised the police officers’ initiative and reaffirmed the importance of keeping Powell away from his sons.

"It's so important to stand up for what's right here and not let Josh Powell anywhere near those boys that he murdered, that he coaxed in there, and that he said 'I have a surprise for you,'” she said, according to MyNorthwest.com. “Well here's a surprise for his family: you can't do this anymore. You can't make every day worse than the last for this family and those boys.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 16, 2012, 08:29:46 PM
Ship him to me Terri! I'll bury him out at the lake near the 'gators. I know how to play Amazing Grace on the kazoo! Free of charge. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 16, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
Those excuses given by JP's family is a steaming pile of horse hockey! 
 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 16, 2012, 09:24:49 PM
Those excuses given by JP's family is a steaming pile of horse hockey! 
 ::MonkeyMad::

 ::rhino::

didnt they go to the boys funeral,grief..more like good grief


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 16, 2012, 09:54:02 PM
Video from GMA of the grave site of the Powell boys and the selected burial location for Josh on the hill.

To view it, select the video, "Police Fight Josh Powell Burial Location."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/police-fight-josh-powell-burial-location-near-sons-15674151

Police Fight Josh Powell Burial Location Police are trying to stop Powell from being buried near his two sons. 02:03 | 02/16/2012



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: akmom on February 16, 2012, 09:59:03 PM
I'm pretty sure that we could find a swamp for what is left of that piece of crap.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 16, 2012, 10:50:07 PM
I'm pretty sure that we could find a swamp for what is left of that piece of crap.

Why contaminate the ground water? Even alligators and snakes deserve better than to be near JP!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: 4getUnot on February 17, 2012, 12:26:04 AM
I don't know if any one caught this or not but I just wanted to post it in case any monkeys are still wondering -

http://**/sltrib/lifestyle/53520152-78/powell-josh-steve-county.html.csp
 ::snipping2::
Wood said dental records have positively identified Josh and Charlie Powell’s remains. There are no dental records for Braden, Wood said, but detectives were able to recognize his remains at the scene.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: 4getUnot on February 17, 2012, 12:31:05 AM
I don't know if any one caught this or not but I just wanted to post it in case any monkeys are still wondering -

http://**/sltrib/lifestyle/53520152-78/powell-josh-steve-county.html.csp
 ::snipping2::
Wood said dental records have positively identified Josh and Charlie Powell’s remains. There are no dental records for Braden, Wood said, but detectives were able to recognize his remains at the scene.
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Don't know what happened to the link above I hope it is not blocked but I didn't notice the astericks until after I posted.  If a mod can fix or tell me what to do I'll be glad to fix or it can be deleted if necessary.
The link is okay as it is, please don't alter it.  You did fine by only posting a snippet of the article. MB


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: CarolF on February 17, 2012, 07:06:05 AM
I really don't know why they are even bothering with a funeral and burial. I say they should just finish what he started when he killed his little boys and cremate him because that was what he was trying to do anyways. His wonderful sister and clueless mother can trade off keeping his ashes. Sorry if this sounds harsh but enough is enough.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 17, 2012, 08:10:02 AM
I really don't know why they are even bothering with a funeral and burial. I say they should just finish what he started when he killed his little boys and cremate him because that was what he was trying to do anyways. His wonderful sister and clueless mother can trade off keeping his ashes. Sorry if this sounds harsh but enough is enough.

ITA, CarolF!

He died by fire.  His eternal soul must surely be burning in Hades.  Finish out the set with cremation of the corporal body!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 17, 2012, 08:24:50 AM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2017522364.html
Friday, February 17, 2012 - Page updated at 05:00 a.m.
Josh Powell won't be buried in Wash. near sons he killed
By GENE JOHNSON
Associated Press


The man who killed his two sons in an explosive house fire in Washington state will not be buried in the same cemetery as the children, his family said Thursday.

Josh Powell's mother, Terri Powell, issued a written statement confirming that the family had given up a plot tentatively reserved at Woodbine Cemetery overlooking the boys' grave.

"We have tried so hard to be loving and considerate and respectful in making Josh's burial arrangements," she said. "We love our little Charlie and Braden and want their resting place to be a place of peace and comfort."

Powell, the husband of missing Utah woman Susan Powell, killed his 5- and 7-year-old sons and himself in a gas-fueled blaze Feb. 5 at a home he was renting in Graham.

More than 1,000 mourners attended the boys' funeral Saturday. They were later buried in a single casket at Woodbine, a municipal cemetery in Puyallup.

Terri Powell, wracked by grief, realized early this week that no one else was planning for what to do with Josh Powell's remains, said her son-in-law, Kirk Graves. She visited a funeral home and a few cemeteries, he said, and she "cluelessly" picked a gravesite just up the hill from where the boys are buried.

The decision prompted a public firestorm. The parents of Susan Powell threatened legal action to keep Josh Powell from being buried so close, and the anti-crime organization Crime Stoppers of Tacoma-Pierce County purchased the plots on either side of the boys to ensure that he didn't wind up next to them. Crime Stoppers raised about $20,000 in donations for the effort in less than a day.
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Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 17, 2012, 10:45:48 AM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2017522364.html
Friday, February 17, 2012 - Page updated at 05:00 a.m.
Josh Powell won't be buried in Wash. near sons he killed
By GENE JOHNSON
Associated Press


The man who killed his two sons in an explosive house fire in Washington state will not be buried in the same cemetery as the children, his family said Thursday.

Josh Powell's mother, Terri Powell, issued a written statement confirming that the family had given up a plot tentatively reserved at Woodbine Cemetery overlooking the boys' grave.

"We have tried so hard to be loving and considerate and respectful in making Josh's burial arrangements," she said. "We love our little Charlie and Braden and want their resting place to be a place of peace and comfort."

Powell, the husband of missing Utah woman Susan Powell, killed his 5- and 7-year-old sons and himself in a gas-fueled blaze Feb. 5 at a home he was renting in Graham.

More than 1,000 mourners attended the boys' funeral Saturday. They were later buried in a single casket at Woodbine, a municipal cemetery in Puyallup.

Terri Powell, wracked by grief, realized early this week that no one else was planning for what to do with Josh Powell's remains, said her son-in-law, Kirk Graves. She visited a funeral home and a few cemeteries, he said, and she "cluelessly" picked a gravesite just up the hill from where the boys are buried.

The decision prompted a public firestorm. The parents of Susan Powell threatened legal action to keep Josh Powell from being buried so close, and the anti-crime organization Crime Stoppers of Tacoma-Pierce County purchased the plots on either side of the boys to ensure that he didn't wind up next to them. Crime Stoppers raised about $20,000 in donations for the effort in less than a day.
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BBM

Clueless?  Has she been on Mars?  To say she tried so hard to be loving and considerate and respectful in making Josh's burial arrangements is the most laughable assertion I have heard.  People all over the country are up in arms over what her son, the maggot man, did to his children and his wife before them.  I think he will be one of the most vilified individuals this country has ever seen.   

And she is "clueless."  Maybe she needs to quit listen to the tripe the defenders are spewing and come back to reality.  Terri:  Your son killed his wife and then he took a hatchet to your grandchildren before he blew up the house and incinerated them.  Normal people don't like monsters who do things like that so take your miserable son's crispy remains to the farthermost corner of the earth and drop him down a hole.  Oh, and don't forget to make s'mores.   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 17, 2012, 01:45:36 PM
I'm thinking that JP's mom is taking for the fall for the actions of her children.  The arrogance of the burial plan sounds like something Michael, Alina, and Josh would do.  TP has always struck me as whipped. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 17, 2012, 01:59:29 PM
I'm thinking that JP's mom is taking for the fall for the actions of her children.  The arrogance of the burial plan sounds like something Michael, Alina, and Josh would do.  TP has always struck me as whipped. 

Maybe so, but the victim persona doesn't work for me.  If she had taken those kids the first time SP laid a hand on her and left, I don't things would have turned out the way they did.  But she continued to live under the maniacal deviant ways of her husband and that's what her children learned. 

As someone said earlier, she needs to grow a backbone because crawling around like a worm isn't any kind of life. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 17, 2012, 02:07:13 PM
I'm thinking that JP's mom is taking for the fall for the actions of her children.  The arrogance of the burial plan sounds like something Michael, Alina, and Josh would do.  TP has always struck me as whipped. 

Maybe so, but the victim persona doesn't work for me.  If she had taken those kids the first time SP laid a hand on her and left, I don't things would have turned out the way they did.  But she continued to live under the maniacal deviant ways of her husband and that's what her children learned. 

As someone said earlier, she needs to grow a backbone because crawling around like a worm isn't any kind of life. 
Don't get me wrong.  I'm NOT defending her.  I'm just saying that she's taking the fallout for what I think are the actions of her kids.  She's lived all this time without a backbone, I can't imagine her suddenly growing one now. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 17, 2012, 02:18:05 PM
KittyMom - I know you are not defending her, but I just can't stand it when women play the victim card.  From the moment she became pregnant, Terri had a responsibility to protect her children and she didn't do it.  I know it is hard for a woman to get out of that kind of a relationship, but it is sure as heck easier than what she is going through now.  Women have an obligation to their children that I feel is even greater than a man's.  I they can't stand up for their children, then they need to make sure that the child is in a place of safety.  If she wants to stick around with the sperm-donor, that's fine, just don't make that decision for a child.   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 17, 2012, 02:39:57 PM
KittyMom - I know you are not defending her, but I just can't stand it when women play the victim card.  From the moment she became pregnant, Terri had a responsibility to protect her children and she didn't do it.  I know it is hard for a woman to get out of that kind of a relationship, but it is sure as heck easier than what she is going through now.  Women have an obligation to their children that I feel is even greater than a man's.  I they can't stand up for their children, then they need to make sure that the child is in a place of safety.  If she wants to stick around with the sperm-donor, that's fine, just don't make that decision for a child.   ::CowboySmiley::
ITA.  We wouldn't see the child murder rate or abuse rate as high as it is if women took their role as caregiver more seriously.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: 4 Donks on February 17, 2012, 03:38:58 PM
Terri also sent a letter to the court during the custody hearings extolling JP's great parenting skills and how happy the boys were and how much they loved their dad. I don't think anyone was forcing her into this.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 17, 2012, 04:52:50 PM
Josh Powell Had 400 Cartoon Sex and Incest Images

Josh Powell had hundreds of images of disturbing cartoon sex and graphic depictions of incest on his home computer, something Utah authorities investigating his wife's disappearance kept private for more than two years.

A psychologist who had previously said Powell's strong parenting skills should allow him to continue supervised visits altered her assessment after reviewing the images, calling them a "great concern" and suggesting a more intense evaluation of the father. That conclusion came just six days before he killed himself and two sons in an explosive house fire two weeks ago.

Social services files released under state public records laws Friday say many of the images included sexual depictions of popular cartoons, including child-focused characters such as Rugrats, Dennis the Mennis and SpongeBob SquarePants. Another 15 images showed 3-D depictions of sex involving parents and their children.

Powell had initially told the psychologist that he visited only pornography sites featuring adults.

"Given the gaps of information about Mr. Powell there seems reason to conclude he may not presently be a stable and appropriate resource for his children," wrote Dr. James Manley in a follow-up report.

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/josh-powell-400-cartoon-sex-incest-images-15727935


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 17, 2012, 04:54:00 PM
The Grandparents Speak -- Tonight at 11 .

http://www.king5.com/home/related/Chuck-Judy-Cox-Interview-Jean-Enersen-139485113.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 17, 2012, 05:24:19 PM
Josh Powell Had 400 Cartoon Sex and Incest Images

Josh Powell had hundreds of images of disturbing cartoon sex and graphic depictions of incest on his home computer, something Utah authorities investigating his wife's disappearance kept private for more than two years.

 ::snipping2::

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/josh-powell-400-cartoon-sex-incest-images-15727935

I don't know why they kept silent and didn't share this info with Washington State authorities.  They knew JP had those 2 little kids.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 17, 2012, 06:27:52 PM
Josh Powell Had 400 Cartoon Sex and Incest Images

Josh Powell had hundreds of images of disturbing cartoon sex and graphic depictions of incest on his home computer, something Utah authorities investigating his wife's disappearance kept private for more than two years.

 ::snipping2::

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/josh-powell-400-cartoon-sex-incest-images-15727935

I don't know why they kept silent and didn't share this info with Washington State authorities.  They knew JP had those 2 little kids.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

this was the puter from the utah home?,what the H.. was going on in that home
wondering if susan became aware of that stuff on the puter,and said divorce now
and im taking the boys,and JP wasnt having that
when SP was arrested for porn,the WVP,should have spoke up,turned the stuff over
to the DHS/CPS in wa.,one of those keep it close to vest,that ended in a double
murder and suicide,those boys were failed by all the state authorities
 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cookie on February 17, 2012, 06:34:16 PM
Josh Powell Had 400 Cartoon Sex and Incest Images

Josh Powell had hundreds of images of disturbing cartoon sex and graphic depictions of incest on his home computer, something Utah authorities investigating his wife's disappearance kept private for more than two years.

 ::snipping2::

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/josh-powell-400-cartoon-sex-incest-images-15727935

I don't know why they kept silent and didn't share this info with Washington State authorities.  They knew JP had those 2 little kids.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

this was the puter from the utah home?,what the H.. was going on in that home
wondering if susan became aware of that stuff on the puter,and said divorce now
and im taking the boys,and JP wasnt having that
when SP was arrested for porn,the WVP,should have spoke up,turned the stuff over
to the DHS/CPS in wa.,one of those keep it close to vest,that ended in a double
murder and suicide,those boys were failed by all the state authorities
 ::MonkeyMad::

very disturbing to find all this out


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 17, 2012, 06:53:53 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/BenWinslow (https://twitter.com/#!/BenWinslow)
Ben Winslow @BenWinslow

@strawberrypsu Maybe some things. Some are pretty GRAPHIC.
In reply to Someone
8m Ben Winslow Ben Winslow @BenWinslow

We've got copies of the #JoshPowell documents here @fox13now. A HUGE stack of papers, very revealing. More @ 5. #findsusan #Utah


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 17, 2012, 07:05:52 PM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MISSING_MOM_UTAH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-02-17-17-08-47
Josh Powell had 400 cartoon sex and incest images
By MIKE BAKER
Associated Press
February 17, 2012

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In other documents released under Washington public records laws, social workers detailed how they were concerned that Josh Powell would speak disparagingly of his in-laws, Chuck and Judy Cox, in front of his children.

The documents also state that Charlie Powell was beginning to remember about his mother, and that he said "he remembers she left because grandpa was mean to her." Caseworkers believed that Charlie was repeating what his father had been saying.

In interviews with mental health professionals, Powell said he feared a "militant faction" of the Mormon church might kidnap his two sons. Braden and Charlie were overheard saying that "Mormons" were "trying to steal" them and "harm" them. DSHS notes that that given the children's ages, these opinions were probably not their own.

Charlie once told school personnel how to bury an animal so it wouldn't be discovered. Personnel only noted this because of their mother's disappearance.
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Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 17, 2012, 07:26:07 PM
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/17/psychologists-report-on-josh-powell-released/
psychologists-report-on-josh-powell, 34 pgs


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 17, 2012, 07:32:36 PM
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/17/psychologists-report-on-josh-powell-released/
psychologists-report-on-josh-powell, 34 pgs

there is also a pdf
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/293327/powellpsycheval.pdf

and in the fullscreen mode/link a text ver.
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/293327-powellpsycheval.html#document/p33


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 17, 2012, 07:45:29 PM
DSHS documents reveal disturbing statements from Powell boy .

Hundreds of pages of reports from the Department of Social and Human Services regarding Charlie and Braden Powell reveal details about living conditions inside the Puyallup house they temporarily lived in with their father and grandfather.

Multiple times, counselors and administrators at Carson Elementary notified DSHS, concerned about statements Charlie, 7, made while at school.

In one instance on February 18, 2011, an administrator reported Charlie told a group of kids, "The Mormons killed my brother and my mom."

In June, administrators said Charlie told a little boy he was going to "come to [his] house at night and kill [him]" because he "hated Mormons" and made other similar statements about hating Jews and Christians. The counselor noted this wasn't the first time Charlie made that sort of statement.

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Around this time, a DSHS agent documented Charlie telling him the best way to bury a bear. Charlie said it included digging a hole, putting the bear in the hole, covering it with rocks, a tree, and then planting raspberries because they would taste the best

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During a September 27 supervised visit with Josh Powell, Braden told a social worker he did not want to see his father. After agreeing to the visit, the agent observed Josh Powell telling the boys, "Make sure you tell people how much fun we have every weekend."

The foster parents who took care of Charlie and Braden also provided DSHS with information about what the boys said. They noted Charlie made several statements regarding his hatred for the church, God and Jesus. They said Charlie stated, "Do you know God gave the church to a man in Utah and he is trying to get me, Utah is in the desert and he wants to take me to the desert. That's why we moved here."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.king5.com/news/local/DSHS-documents-reveal-disturbing-statements-from-Powell-boy-139542398.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 17, 2012, 08:00:01 PM
DSHS documents reveal disturbing statements from Powell boy .

Hundreds of pages of reports from the Department of Social and Human Services regarding Charlie and Braden Powell reveal details about living conditions inside the Puyallup house they temporarily lived in with their father and grandfather.

Multiple times, counselors and administrators at Carson Elementary notified DSHS, concerned about statements Charlie, 7, made while at school.

In one instance on February 18, 2011, an administrator reported Charlie told a group of kids, "The Mormons killed my brother and my mom."

In June, administrators said Charlie told a little boy he was going to "come to [his] house at night and kill [him]" because he "hated Mormons" and made other similar statements about hating Jews and Christians. The counselor noted this wasn't the first time Charlie made that sort of statement.

 ::snipping2::

Around this time, a DSHS agent documented Charlie telling him the best way to bury a bear. Charlie said it included digging a hole, putting the bear in the hole, covering it with rocks, a tree, and then planting raspberries because they would taste the best

 ::snipping2::

During a September 27 supervised visit with Josh Powell, Braden told a social worker he did not want to see his father. After agreeing to the visit, the agent observed Josh Powell telling the boys, "Make sure you tell people how much fun we have every weekend."

The foster parents who took care of Charlie and Braden also provided DSHS with information about what the boys said. They noted Charlie made several statements regarding his hatred for the church, God and Jesus. They said Charlie stated, "Do you know God gave the church to a man in Utah and he is trying to get me, Utah is in the desert and he wants to take me to the desert. That's why we moved here."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.king5.com/news/local/DSHS-documents-reveal-disturbing-statements-from-Powell-boy-139542398.html

Why the heck didn't social workers intervene if all this was going on?  JP was really working a number on his sons' psyches brainwashing them with this crap.  I hope each one of those caseworkers gets investigated and punished for failing to do something to stop this abuse.  If people can sue doctors for failing to diagnose, then people (the Coxes) can sue caseworkers for failing to protect.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: pharlap on February 17, 2012, 08:12:21 PM
I totally agree with you Northern.
This is unbelievable why the boys were allowed to see Josh period.
The more we find out the worse it's getting....
 ::MonkeyMad::
 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 17, 2012, 08:24:04 PM
I hope the good Lord drops a house on me... the day it should ever occur to me to look at Sponge Bob nekkid!!!

That's sick, man. That Powell, was foul. :smt100


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 17, 2012, 08:45:25 PM
Unbelieveable!!!  Utah investigators knew those little boys were living with Josh at his father's home in Seattle yet failed to inform Washington authorities of the dispicable images found on Josh's computer.  WHY!!

Janet

+++++

Murder-suicide dad Josh Powell had cartoon sex, incest images on computer
Published February 17, 2012


Josh Powell had hundreds of images of disturbing cartoon sex and graphic depictions of incest on his home computer, something Utah authorities investigating his wife's disappearance kept private for about two years, according to files released Friday.

A Washington state psychologist who had previously said Powell's strong parenting skills should allow him to continue supervised visits altered his assessment after reviewing the images, calling them a "great concern" and suggesting a more intense evaluation of the father. That conclusion came just six days before he killed himself and two sons in an explosive house fire two weeks ago.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/17/murder-suicide-dad-josh-powell-had-cartoon-sex-incest-images-on-computer/



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 17, 2012, 08:52:49 PM
The Grandparents Speak -- Tonight at 11 .

http://www.king5.com/home/related/Chuck-Judy-Cox-Interview-Jean-Enersen-139485113.html

I hope these wonderful grandparents are angry enough to sue Utah authorities in regards to the latest revelation.  There has to be accountability.  Heads should roll.

Janet


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 17, 2012, 09:30:10 PM
Police found 400 cartoon sex images on Josh Powell's computer but kept it hidden for TWO YEARS from social services who would never have given him access to sons he murdered

Authorities knew for TWO YEARS that Josh Powell had hundreds of images of disturbing cartoon sex and graphic depictions of incest on his home computer, it has emerged.

And in a tragic twist, social services have said they would never have given him access to his two sons - whom he killed in an explosion at his Washington home - if they were aware of the pictures.

It was Utah authorities investigating Powell's wife's disappearance kept the discovery private, according to files released Friday.

 ::snipping2::

Washington officials overseeing the care of Powell's children first got word of the graphic content in November, when a Utah investigator wrote in an email that they were looking to disclose to social workers about 5-6 images recovered in 2009 shortly after Susan Powell's disappearance.

But two months later, social worker Forest Jacobson wrote that the images weren't received until mid-January and told the psychologist 'it is now clear there are many more images than initially indicated.'

 ::snipping2::

In other documents released under Washington public records laws, social workers detailed how they were concerned that Josh Powell would speak disparagingly of his in-laws, Chuck and Judy Cox, in front of his children.

The documents also state that Charlie Powell was beginning to remember about his mother, and that he said 'he remembers she left because grandpa was mean to her'. Caseworkers believed that Charlie was repeating what his father had been saying.

In interviews with mental health professionals, Powell said he feared a 'militant faction' of the Mormon church might kidnap his two sons. Braden and Charlie were overheard saying that 'Mormons' were 'trying to steal' them and 'harm' them. DSHS notes that that given the children's ages, these opinions were probably not their own.

 ::snipping2::

The records indicate that Susan Powell remained a focal point in the family. Charlie talked about how her favorite color was purple. Powell talked about how she made tasty pumpkin pies from pumpkins that they had grown themselves.

As they ate pancakes, bacon and orange juice one day in early November, Braden looked at Powell and said: 'I wish mommy was here.' Powell said he did, too.


 ::snipping2::

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102901/Josh-Powell-explosion-Police-400-cartoon-sex-images-kept-hidden-TWO-YEARS.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 17, 2012, 09:35:32 PM
WARNING GRAPHIC!

ABC 4 News has obtained Josh Powell's last and very disturbing psychological evaluation. I want to warn you - before you read on - this is adult themed, graphic in nature and will most likely make you angry, sick and possibly offended.

Dr. James Manley with Pacific Psychology Services in Tacoma, Washington wrote the confidential psychological review. As part of that review he was to look at "approximately 400 images" that were found on Josh Powell's computers. Many were cartoon characters we all know, but what they were doing was nothing to laugh at.

The images included characters from The Simpsons, The Flintstones, Jungle Book, Superman, The Rugrats, Cat Woman and Spongebob - just to name a few. The characters were shown in sexual activities like sodomy, fisting, incest and group sex. Many of the images depicted adult on children sex acts. Dr. Manley called Josh's possession and approval of the images "concerning."

A few images included captions. One between a girl and a man reads, "Come on Daddy, come on, let me finish what I started." And another between a mother and a son says, "Mommy it feels good." Dr. Manley says the "collection of images" suggests Josh has "a high degree of interest" in this type of activity.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/josh-powell-sex-cartoons-psychological-evaluation/NmenyYk77EG_guKSR1j3Zw.cspx


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 17, 2012, 10:03:09 PM
 ::snipping2::

Arturo Gonzalez, a principal at Emma Carson Elementary School in Puyallup where Charlie attended first grade contacted caseworkers after Charlie acted out in class, the documents state.

Gonzalez wrote in an incident report passed along to caseworkers that students were discussing siblings during a class, during which Charlie told a teacher and classmates he didn’t have a brother. "You don’t have a brother?" a student asked.

"No, not anymore. The Mormons killed my brother and my mom," Charlie said, according to the documents. "Yeah, it’s just me and my dad."

A school counselor contacted Josh Powell to speak to him about his son’s remark, but Powell never returned the counselor’s call, the documents state.

In another report filed by Gonzalez on June 10, 2011, Charlie had threatened to kill a classmate and made disparaging comments about Mormons and Jews at school.

When a little boy sat next to Charlie in class and asked to be his friend, Charlie replied "No, I do not want you to sit by me. I am going to come to your house at night and kill you," documents state. Charlie then stated, "I hate Mormons," according to the documents.

Charlie was removed from the class and sent to a counselor. He told the school counselor that his mom lived a mile away from him but he couldn’t see her because her parents are Mormon and had abused her, documents state.

Charle proceeded to tell the counselor that he wanted to kill the boy who wanted to be his friend because he is Mormon and that Mormons "kill people; they are ordered to kill people and all scientists who believe in Jesus," the documents state.

http://**/sltrib/news/53537666-78/powell-charlie-documents-sons.html.csp


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: akmom on February 17, 2012, 10:23:41 PM
Please, please tell me this is the end of it.  Is is possible for it to get any worse?  I am not sure how the poor Cox family can retain their sanity....


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 17, 2012, 10:47:19 PM
there should be a lot of people,having a hard time sleeping,for a mistake
that word is to light,but if i say what i really want to say,i would be banned

yep the porno info from JP puter should have been,made known to the DHS in
wa, alot sooner than the date stated in the documents,that date is 11.16.11
by a DET, E. Maxwell,on pg 9 of the pdf counter,and pg 4 of 22,on the doc
last par,at this link
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/293327/powellpsycheval.pdf


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 17, 2012, 10:59:55 PM
Josh Powell spent January peppering state Child Protective Services officials about everything from a proposed guest list to his son's 7th birthday party to information about his kids' health-care coverage. But those social workers, as well as police, were impatiently waiting for crucial evidence from Utah to determine if he was a fit parent.

 ::snipping2::

The boys were removed from Josh Powell's custody Sept. 22, the same day Powell's father, Steven Powell, with whom the three were living, was arrested and charged with voyeurism and possessing child pornography. A month earlier, police investigating Susan Powell's case seized 15 computers from Josh Powell's Pierce County home.

 ::snipping2::

The DSHS case file shows that the state took custody of the boys out of concern for Powell's ability to shield his children from sexually graphic images.

The day police arrested Steven Powell, a CPS social worker noted that hanging on the wall of the home was an image of a woman being raped. Questioned by CPS, Josh Powell said he enjoyed taking photographs of the legs of random people in the park.

 ::snipping2::

Powell appears as a Mary Poppins character, cheerful, patient and eager to play games and make crafts with his boys. There is little hint of anger or violence.

"The children are affectionate with Dad and frequently hug him and stand close to him," according to the notes of a Jan. 29 visit.

At the end of the visit, "he told them he loved them and would see them as soon as he could," the worker wrote. That was the last documented visit before Powell killed his sons.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017537439_powell18m.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 17, 2012, 11:19:13 PM
WARNING GRAPHIC!

ABC 4 News has obtained Josh Powell's last and very disturbing psychological evaluation. I want to warn you - before you read on - this is adult themed, graphic in nature and will most likely make you angry, sick and possibly offended.

Dr. James Manley with Pacific Psychology Services in Tacoma, Washington wrote the confidential psychological review. As part of that review he was to look at "approximately 400 images" that were found on Josh Powell's computers. Many were cartoon characters we all know, but what they were doing was nothing to laugh at.

The images included characters from The Simpsons, The Flintstones, Jungle Book, Superman, The Rugrats, Cat Woman and Spongebob - just to name a few. The characters were shown in sexual activities like sodomy, fisting, incest and group sex. Many of the images depicted adult on children sex acts. Dr. Manley called Josh's possession and approval of the images "concerning."

A few images included captions. One between a girl and a man reads, "Come on Daddy, come on, let me finish what I started." And another between a mother and a son says, "Mommy it feels good." Dr. Manley says the "collection of images" suggests Josh has "a high degree of interest" in this type of activity.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/josh-powell-sex-cartoons-psychological-evaluation/NmenyYk77EG_guKSR1j3Zw.cspx

As bad as this may sound, at least the sicko sexual images were depicting hetero sex, and not same sex activities.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

So hopefully the boys were spared being raped by their father.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 17, 2012, 11:56:35 PM
The Grandparents Speak -- Tonight at 11 .

http://www.king5.com/home/related/Chuck-Judy-Cox-Interview-Jean-Enersen-139485113.html

Reminder!

Janet
8:51 PM PT


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 18, 2012, 12:16:03 AM
Documents reveal disturbing influence Josh Powell had on his children

 ::snipping2::

On Sept. 22, 2011, the children were taken into protective state custody after Steven Powell, Josh Powell's father, was arrested and charged with voyeurism and possession of child pornography. Six days later, the Coxes were granted temporary custody of the children.

Child welfare officials noted at that time from police reports that pornography was found lying openly in Steven Powell's room, another relative "runs around the home nude and in a diaper" and has greeted police at the door naked.

In a November report, a welfare worker noted that "Josh and his siblings appear to be circling the wagons around his father."

 ::snipping2::

"Do you know what I hate? I hate Jesus. He is made up and fake," Charlie Powell, the older boy, said at one point. The boys explained to the social worker that these were sentiments shared by their father.

 ::snipping2::

In another visit while at the Cox home, the Coxes noted that Charlie was making comments like, "some police are bad" and "my daddy is a little bad."

 ::snipping2::

In one report, the social worker noted that Chuck Cox was having trouble getting the boys to bed because "they like to sleep without any PJs or underwear on" and that they "insist their dad lets them sleep without any clothes and walk around their house without clothes and they want to go by their dad's rules."

The Coxes also noted that the boys were making sexualized comments.

 ::snipping2::

On Sept. 23, 2011, the day after Steven Powell was arrested, Josh Powell asked to file a dependency action regarding his boys, calling their maternal grandparents "the most dangerous people on the planet to my sons."

 ::snipping2::

It wasn't until January that counselors working with the boys noted they were starting to get along and making reference to their mother. Charlie said, "I miss my mom," but added that she was lost and wouldn't be found "until we go camping again."

 ::snipping2::

More documents from Washington in the Powell case are expected to be released early next month.


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865550403/Documents-reveal-disturbing-influence-Josh-Powell-had-on-his-children.html?pg=1


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 18, 2012, 12:27:14 AM
Social workers had worred that Josh Powell would harm 2 sons

That Josh Powell might harm his children one day lingered in the minds of state social workers even as they took the steps to reunite him with his two young sons.

Notes dropped into the voluminous records they kept on Powell show they were wary of Charlie and Braden’s father from the moment Pierce County sheriff’s deputies took the boys into protective custody Sept. 22.

“I don’t want to sound alarmist or alarm you, but this is a highly sensitive case, and we want to cover our bases for the ‘just in case’ possibilities,” state social worker Forest Jacobson wrote in a Sept. 29 email to the company chosen to supervise the court-ordered visits between Powell and his sons.

Jacobson had advice for visit supervisors: “911 is first call if there is any type of emergency, including fleeing with the kids.”

Jacobson’s intuition proved sadly prophetic.

 ::snipping2::

Three days before he killed his sons, a pastor who’d been supervising some of Powell’s visits with Charlie, 7; and Braden, 5, told social workers he did not want to do so anymore.

“It is evident to us at this time that the investigation by police departments involved with the Susan Powell case are presently and actively building a criminal case against Josh,” the Rev. Timothy Atkins wrote. “We have spoken at length with Josh about this in recent days.”

 ::snipping2::

During a visit Nov. 27, Griffin-Hall noted Braden told Powell, “They found Mommy in the desert.” When Powell asked the boys who said that, neither answered.

“Dad became agitated and turned red,” the report noted. “He asked the boys again and they did not respond. I changed the subject back to eating dessert.”

 ::snipping2::

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/17/2030939/social-workers-had-worred-that.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 18, 2012, 12:28:57 AM
I'm so sick.  The Utah authorities really messed up.  There are just no other words.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: ISpy on February 18, 2012, 02:18:11 AM
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/17/psychologists-report-on-josh-powell-released/
psychologists-report-on-josh-powell, 34 pgs

O.k., reading through the entire 34 page report, I am struck by the fact that Josh Powell is the splitting image of Steve Powell:
  • control freak
  • hatred of women (per the violent nature of the porn images in the Powell home and on Josh's computer)
  • abnormal and consuming sexual obsessions involving the degradation and dehumanization of women
  • above average cognitive ability, excellent memory, attention to detail
  • both overt and covert use of manipulation (guilt-"You going to make me sad..."; overly solicitous-"winning" the boys over with fun activities/gifts/surprises; concerted effort to appear friendly and engage when it suited- social workers, contract visitation worker, psychologists; self-adulation/narcissism- "Make sure you tell everyone what a good time we had together.")
  • intimidation, subtle threats, violence when angered
  • rampant narcissism; viewing people as possessions used to make oneself look better
  • both father and son started out in the Mormon church, married a committed Mormon, and left the church during the marriage
  • both father and son were in danger of losing their possessions and therefore, their control- their family members they manipulated, intimidated, abused, and controlled- the subjects in their self-created kingdom
  • both father and son were threatened with public exposure of their dirty little secrets and would "lose", as well as lose face-their carefully built persona would crumble into dust- they'd be exposed as the narcissistic perverts they were
I'm no therapist, but it seems to me that Josh had already been through this particular custody war once before. Susan's supposed ultimatum, with a deadline, to Josh to get back in Church and man-up or she would take the boys and leave likely ignited a firestorm (not to be trite).  Unfortunately, Susan had no idea what she was dealing with (nor did her counselor, as Josh likely played Mr. Congeniality-evasive/hedging/elusive/unwilling to accept responsibility/minimizing).  It's safe to assume that neither Susan, nor the counselor, knew Josh's complete history. IMO, Josh wasn't about to let Susan "win" and Steve Powell fortified his position, as well as aided and abetted. I believe the ongoing hours of phone calls between Steve and Josh were spent with Steve manipulating/warping/"encouraging" Josh.  Josh lied and denied he'd ever been abused, but he got his perverted sense of "manhood" straight from Steve. It was that "manhood" Susan was threatening, just as Terrica had threatened Steve's. IMO, Steve viewed his children as an extension of himself and did whatever necessary to get custody. His children (Jennifer excluded) came to view themselves as an extension of their father. The difference was that Susan, unlike Terrica, had self-esteem/self-worth and a support system advising her. She wasn't going to back down or just hand the children over to him and slink away. In essence, Steve's "war" became Josh's "war".

Timeline-wise, there appears to be at least a 4-5 hour gap between supper-the boys bedtime until the time Josh Powell left on his "camping trip"...plenty of time for 2 small boys to be sedated, while Josh or Steve did whatever.  Charlie described his picture as "Mommy's in the trunk."  He didn't say, "She came with us." or "Mommy got in the the trunk.".  He also said "Daddy and Mommy went..."-not "Mommy got out of the trunk (or car) and...".  So, that tells me Susan was either impaired, wounded, or dead at that point (with Josh "walking" her). The report also states that Josh had a campfire going at daybreak and the boys played.  There's a distinct lack of details from 11:30p.m. until daybreak though-apparently no one was tucked in, no diapers were changed, no one woke up, no one needed to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night in the frozen desert, no one ate breakfast, no one talked about how loud the generator was, etc.  Maybe because they weren't camping? I'm not 100% convinced that Josh didn't hand Susan off to Steve somewhere for him to abuse and kill her. Josh Powell was that vindictive and Steve is that perverse. Any man who would hatchet his small children in the manner he did, is that vengeful.  Which reminds me...
 
Repeatedly, in the 34 page report, there are references to Braden not wanting to interact with Josh, defying Josh, resisting Josh.  There is also a reference to Braden liking the Coxes (a.k.a. the enemy). Coupled with Braden reportedly loving the visitation worker, Josh was very aware that he was losing control of "his" boys. They were beginning to trust the very people Josh hated and tried to poison them against. Josh couldn't afford that, personally or criminally. That might explain why Braden received 2 blows, as Charlie was more compliant and trusting of Josh.  The report is chilling in that the psychologist accurately pegged Josh as: controlling; outgoing (as in trying to win over an evaluator); trying too hard to put up a perfect Dad front; too firm/unyielding ("the affectionate facial expressions did not match his tone of voice"); viewing his children as possessions; putting his needs above his sons; consumed with hatred for the Coxes; deceptive; angry; narcissistic; manipulative; and blatantly using his children to make himself look good. All that before the computer child porn, bestiality, and incest too! Both Utah and Washington appear to have failed Braden and Charlie in a big way.  Granted, Josh likely heavily encrypted those porn images and it took some time to retrieve them, but 2 years??!!!

As sad as I am that Charlie and Braden were killed, I am thankful that they are forever safe from the twisted, perverse, warped Powell group (Jennifer excluded). Josh would not have stopped-it wasn't in his nature.  Even if Josh had killed himself only, I'm not sure that Alina and company wouldn't have requested some form of visitation and furthered the family agenda. I'm also not sure any of them would not have assaulted, kidnapped, or killed the boys or the Coxes at some point to "win".  All my own opinions.   


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: ISpy on February 18, 2012, 02:33:56 AM
Documents reveal disturbing influence Josh Powell had on his children

 ::snipping2::


 ::snipping2::

It wasn't until January that counselors working with the boys noted they were starting to get along and making reference to their mother. Charlie said, "I miss my mom," but added that she was lost and wouldn't be found "until we go camping again."

 ::snipping2::

More documents from Washington in the Powell case are expected to be released early next month.


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865550403/Documents-reveal-disturbing-influence-Josh-Powell-had-on-his-children.html?pg=1
Northern Rose-When I read your post, I felt sicker. In the 34-page document, it details Josh taking the boys into the garage on one of their supervised visits and surprising them with new camping gear. I felt sick when I read that in the documents, as I'm convinced he had planned this for some time.  IMO, it was his escape hatch, contingency plan. When he said he "needed his boys", he meant it- he needed to be in control of his boys.  IMO, being controlled felt familiar to him and he needed to control, to feel in control. In other words, he only felt in control when he was controlling everyone and everything around him.  That's why he isolated Susan and attempted to isolate the boys from the Coxes. It's also why he readily agreed to supervised visits-staged house + highly structured supervised visits, designed to wow the boys (crafts they'd like, food they'd like, remote controlled airplanes, steady stream of surprises,etc.) and win over the social/visitation worker...controlled. Not everyone was as easily fooled though, as we see in the report. Just my opinions.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: CarolF on February 18, 2012, 03:16:13 AM
What else makes me angry with Washington State Social Workers and especially the person that is in charge of what they do and do not do. After the Cox's reported about what the boys were saying and not wanting to wear anything to bed they still did nothing to stop the home visits. The school calling CPS more than once voicing all their concerns too.  It is as if all their concerns were just in one ear and out the other with the Social Workers and the powers that be. Makes me angry. The Cox's are very special loving people  I can be angry for them!!

It almost takes an act of Congress to bring a lawsuit against that agency. I believe they are protected personally by law from lawsuits no matter what their actions are or are not. I feel very sorry for the Case Worker that took the boys to that house that day. She was only doing what she was told to do.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 18, 2012, 03:19:09 AM
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/02/17/psychologists-report-on-josh-powell-released/
psychologists-report-on-josh-powell, 34 pgs

O.k., reading through the entire 34 page report, I am struck by the fact that Josh Powell is the splitting image of Steve Powell:
  • control freak
  • hatred of women (per the violent nature of the porn images in the Powell home and on Josh's computer)
  • abnormal and consuming sexual obsessions involving the degradation and dehumanization of women
  • above average cognitive ability, excellent memory, attention to detail
  • both overt and covert use of manipulation (guilt-"You going to make me sad..."; overly solicitous-"winning" the boys over with fun activities/gifts/surprises; concerted effort to appear friendly and engage when it suited- social workers, contract visitation worker, psychologists; self-adulation/narcissism- "Make sure you tell everyone what a good time we had together.")
  • intimidation, subtle threats, violence when angered
  • rampant narcissism; viewing people as possessions used to make oneself look better
  • both father and son started out in the Mormon church, married a committed Mormon, and left the church during the marriage
  • both father and son were in danger of losing their possessions and therefore, their control- their family members they manipulated, intimidated, abused, and controlled- the subjects in their self-created kingdom
  • both father and son were threatened with public exposure of their dirty little secrets and would "lose", as well as lose face-their carefully built persona would crumble into dust- they'd be exposed as the narcissistic perverts they were
I'm no therapist, but it seems to me that Josh had already been through this particular custody war once before. Susan's supposed ultimatum, with a deadline, to Josh to get back in Church and man-up or she would take the boys and leave likely ignited a firestorm (not to be trite).  Unfortunately, Susan had no idea what she was dealing with (nor did her counselor, as Josh likely played Mr. Congeniality-evasive/hedging/elusive/unwilling to accept responsibility/minimizing).  It's safe to assume that neither Susan, nor the counselor, knew Josh's complete history. IMO, Josh wasn't about to let Susan "win" and Steve Powell fortified his position, as well as aided and abetted. I believe the ongoing hours of phone calls between Steve and Josh were spent with Steve manipulating/warping/"encouraging" Josh.  Josh lied and denied he'd ever been abused, but he got his perverted sense of "manhood" straight from Steve. It was that "manhood" Susan was threatening, just as Terrica had threatened Steve's. IMO, Steve viewed his children as an extension of himself and did whatever necessary to get custody. His children (Jennifer excluded) came to view themselves as an extension of their father. The difference was that Susan, unlike Terrica, had self-esteem/self-worth and a support system advising her. She wasn't going to back down or just hand the children over to him and slink away. In essence, Steve's "war" became Josh's "war".

Timeline-wise, there appears to be at least a 4-5 hour gap between supper-the boys bedtime until the time Josh Powell left on his "camping trip"...plenty of time for 2 small boys to be sedated, while Josh or Steve did whatever.  Charlie described his picture as "Mommy's in the trunk."  He didn't say, "She came with us." or "Mommy got in the the trunk.".  He also said "Daddy and Mommy went..."-not "Mommy got out of the trunk (or car) and...".  So, that tells me Susan was either impaired, wounded, or dead at that point (with Josh "walking" her). The report also states that Josh had a campfire going at daybreak and the boys played.  There's a distinct lack of details from 11:30p.m. until daybreak though-apparently no one was tucked in, no diapers were changed, no one woke up, no one needed to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night in the frozen desert, no one ate breakfast, no one talked about how loud the generator was, etc.  Maybe because they weren't camping? I'm not 100% convinced that Josh didn't hand Susan off to Steve somewhere for him to abuse and kill her. Josh Powell was that vindictive and Steve is that perverse. Any man who would hatchet his small children in the manner he did, is that vengeful.  Which reminds me...
 
Repeatedly, in the 34 page report, there are references to Braden not wanting to interact with Josh, defying Josh, resisting Josh.  There is also a reference to Braden liking the Coxes (a.k.a. the enemy). Coupled with Braden reportedly loving the visitation worker, Josh was very aware that he was losing control of "his" boys. They were beginning to trust the very people Josh hated and tried to poison them against. Josh couldn't afford that, personally or criminally. That might explain why Braden received 2 blows, as Charlie was more compliant and trusting of Josh.  The report is chilling in that the psychologist accurately pegged Josh as: controlling; outgoing (as in trying to win over an evaluator); trying too hard to put up a perfect Dad front; too firm/unyielding ("the affectionate facial expressions did not match his tone of voice"); viewing his children as possessions; putting his needs above his sons; consumed with hatred for the Coxes; deceptive; angry; narcissistic; manipulative; and blatantly using his children to make himself look good. All that before the computer child porn, bestiality, and incest too! Both Utah and Washington appear to have failed Braden and Charlie in a big way.  Granted, Josh likely heavily encrypted those porn images and it took some time to retrieve them, but 2 years??!!!

As sad as I am that Charlie and Braden were killed, I am thankful that they are forever safe from the twisted, perverse, warped Powell group (Jennifer excluded). Josh would not have stopped-it wasn't in his nature.  Even if Josh had killed himself only, I'm not sure that Alina and company wouldn't have requested some form of visitation and furthered the family agenda. I'm also not sure any of them would not have assaulted, kidnapped, or killed the boys or the Coxes at some point to "win".  All my own opinions.   

Thanks for your post, ISpy! Good stuff.

Steve passed the torch on to Josh. Josh was working overtime to pass the torch on to Charlie & Braden. It chilled me when I read that little biddie Charlie, at the ripe old age of 7, had been lobbing 'I'm going to kill you' threats at another boy who'd asked to be his friend.
Also interesting, he chose to throw in the added detail of waiting until night time to do it. He was taking notes from his pa! Already!

It's terribly sad. There is no excuse for the waiting of 2 years to go by, before telling the right people that he had the 400 wormy images on his computer. It was a mistake to withhold that detail, I think. Even if they dropped it in the media... not being able to chase him legally. It would have applied more pressure.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Green Eyes on February 18, 2012, 03:34:44 AM
Carpe & ISpy both very good posts.

CarolF you are not alone being angry for the Cox family.

Our system has to start really putting the children first. Not just giving lip service. The sadness I felt reading how at age 7 Charlie was learning to hate and say hateful things.  ::MonkeyTears::

After reading the report it makes me wish they could have brought the POS back to life so they could do away with him again. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 18, 2012, 03:35:20 AM
Social workers had worred that Josh Powell would harm 2 sons

That Josh Powell might harm his children one day lingered in the minds of state social workers even as they took the steps to reunite him with his two young sons.

Notes dropped into the voluminous records they kept on Powell show they were wary of Charlie and Braden’s father from the moment Pierce County sheriff’s deputies took the boys into protective custody Sept. 22.

“I don’t want to sound alarmist or alarm you, but this is a highly sensitive case, and we want to cover our bases for the ‘just in case’ possibilities,” state social worker Forest Jacobson wrote in a Sept. 29 email to the company chosen to supervise the court-ordered visits between Powell and his sons.

Jacobson had advice for visit supervisors: “911 is first call if there is any type of emergency, including fleeing with the kids.”

Jacobson’s intuition proved sadly prophetic.

 ::snipping2::

Three days before he killed his sons, a pastor who’d been supervising some of Powell’s visits with Charlie, 7; and Braden, 5, told social workers he did not want to do so anymore.

“It is evident to us at this time that the investigation by police departments involved with the Susan Powell case are presently and actively building a criminal case against Josh,” the Rev. Timothy Atkins wrote. “We have spoken at length with Josh about this in recent days.”

 ::snipping2::

During a visit Nov. 27, Griffin-Hall noted Braden told Powell, “They found Mommy in the desert.” When Powell asked the boys who said that, neither answered.

“Dad became agitated and turned red,” the report noted. “He asked the boys again and they did not respond. I changed the subject back to eating dessert.”


 ::snipping2::

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/17/2030939/social-workers-had-worred-that.html

They'll probably find "Mommy in the desert" one day. I will remember your words my dear little brave Braden Powell.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 18, 2012, 05:06:26 AM
Isn't it illegal o haved the kid of images that maggot man had on his computer illegal?  Why hadn't he been arrested? So many opportunities missed to save those boys. ::monkeydenied:: 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 18, 2012, 08:09:34 AM
OMG!  OMG!

How much more outrageous stuff are we going to have to find out about JP that LE knew and basically did nothing about?  (LE is Utah and Washington investigators and child protection services)

I can only imagine the stuff that will come out at SP trial!!

It just sickens me that if the authorities had acted with the children's best interests at heart, they might still be alive today.

I hope the Coxes and the good people of Utah and Washington will hold their LE accountable.  They might not be able to sue, but maybe their outrage can effect some internal changes that might help some children in the future.  I hope all Americans and all the states can join as one voice to make stronger standards/laws for child protection.

I am thoroughly sickened by all this!  I have to go gather some reserve before I can come back and take in more of this horror.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 18, 2012, 09:04:06 AM
http://www.courierherald.com/news/139552478.html
Chuck and Judy Cox to join Sen. Pam Roach in a press conference and hearing Feb. 23
February 17, 2012 · 4:33 PM

Editor's note: the following is a release issued Friday afternoon by the office of Sen. Pam Roach of the 31st District.

Chuck and Judy Cox will join Sen. Pam Roach (R-Auburn) in a press conference and hearing this Thursday.
The purpose of the meeting will be to explore the serious problems within Child Protective Services and offer solutions to actions that may cause children harm.

Attorneys for the Cox family, Anne Bremner and Steve Downing will also be in attendance.
“CPS needs to directly hear from the public,” said Roach. A public comment period will be held after the press conference.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 18, 2012, 09:04:42 AM
I'm so sick.  The Utah authorities really messed up.  There are just no other words.
::rhino::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 18, 2012, 09:06:15 AM
Thinking about Charlie's conversation with his teacher where he insisted that he didn't have a brother and it was just him and his dad made me wonder if Josh may have planned at some to kill Braden (he wasn't bonding with Josh but seemed to be bonding with the Coxes and others) and run away with Charlie.  Considering Braden's age, Josh may have viewed him as being more Susan's son than his. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cookie on February 18, 2012, 09:30:28 AM
I had no ideal that there was cartoon porn out there! Who thinks of stuff like that?. Sickos!

There is no telling what happened to those little boys while with Josh and his father...I am thinking that Susan found out and was going to expose them, as others on here have thought.



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 18, 2012, 09:36:18 AM
I had no ideal that there was cartoon porn out there! Who thinks of stuff like that?. Sickos!

There is no telling what happened to those little boys while with Josh and his father...I am thinking that Susan found out and was going to expose them, as others on here have thought.


I remember reading about it during another case....can't remember which one.  Anyhooo, the cartoon stuff was being used in place of photos because criminals thought that they couldn't be prosecuted if it were cartoon figures, as the 'people' weren't real and it could be considered 'art'.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 18, 2012, 09:39:23 AM
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20120218/OPINION/202180301/Let-s-never-forget-Charlie-Braden-Powell-keep-asking-why-

Let's never forget Charlie and Braden Powell and keep asking 'why?'

Quote
What kind of lifetime mental images created someone who could come up with such a terrifying final ending?

Study Steve Powell and you'll find your answer.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 18, 2012, 10:28:27 AM
http://www.courierherald.com/news/139552478.html
Chuck and Judy Cox to join Sen. Pam Roach in a press conference and hearing Feb. 23
February 17, 2012 · 4:33 PM

Editor's note: the following is a release issued Friday afternoon by the office of Sen. Pam Roach of the 31st District.

Chuck and Judy Cox will join Sen. Pam Roach (R-Auburn) in a press conference and hearing this Thursday.
The purpose of the meeting will be to explore the serious problems within Child Protective Services and offer solutions to actions that may cause children harm.

Attorneys for the Cox family, Anne Bremner and Steve Downing will also be in attendance.
“CPS needs to directly hear from the public,” said Roach. A public comment period will be held after the press conference.
 ::snipping2::

Thank you Trimonthelake for posting this article.

I hope the public outcry is so loud, it's heard around the world!!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: ISpy on February 18, 2012, 10:52:32 AM
Thinking about Charlie's conversation with his teacher where he insisted that he didn't have a brother and it was just him and his dad made me wonder if Josh may have planned at some to kill Braden (he wasn't bonding with Josh but seemed to be bonding with the Coxes and others) and run away with Charlie.  Considering Braden's age, Josh may have viewed him as being more Susan's son than his. 
KittyMom- That remark spoke volumes to me too. Normal sibling rivalry doesn't "off" a brother, even verbally. I'm thinking Braden, being younger and more emotionally needing Mommy, wasn't going along with the program too well (lots of crying, asking questions, missing Susan, etc.).  All of the those would have angered Josh, who would have attributed it to betrayal, hated Susan even more, and likely acted out on Braden in some fashion (likely making him feel disloyal and guilty for missing his mom). Josh turned this into a fight to the death for the children; Susan just wanted a good husband and father; the Coxes just wanted a good son-in-law and father for their grands. Josh, on the other hand, needed to be their world. We see from the report that Josh put all the blame on Susan's being missing squarely on Susan.  He clearly brainwashed those sweet little guys into thinking their mom abandoned them, to solidify their loyalty to him. He systematically attempted to make them afraid of the Coxes, the police, and everyone but himself and the Powell groupies ( I refuse to refer to them as a family-they have no concept of what a family is and how it behaves). IMO, Braden sensed that Josh wasn't on the level and he didn't fully trust him. He likely was weighing what he'd known of his mother and what the Coxes said against what he was hearing Josh and the Powells say.

All the signs were there, as we see repeatedly in the report.  IMO, Josh was likely grooming Charlie, as the more compliant one. Cartoon porn with children's favorite characters was probably not for Josh, given the violent porn he'd grown up with and had on his computer already, as well as the number of downloads from a multitude of of different incest sites (per the psychologist's report). IMO, he was encouraging Charlie to be a loner, as Josh basically stated in his assessment of Charlie. Josh said Charlie had friends, but also liked to be alone-that's not what the teachers were seeing. Charlie was exhibiting abnormal antisocial behavior, combined with specific death threats, and killing/death was on his little mind (his drawing, how to bury a dead animal so no one will find it, etc.). Seriously, most little boys who don't want to be friends just scuffle at that age. They don't threaten to come to someone's house, in the middle of the night, and kill them. Josh was working overtime to isolate the boys from the Coxes and instill in them distrust of anyone outside of the Powells. The report also highlighted Josh's pattern of "wow-ing" the boys, a known grooming technique. Given the Powell divorce information about Josh's adolescent behaviors and home life, along with a missing (and supposed dead Susan), followed by Steve Powell and the family culture, there should have been zero contact with Josh Powell.  My opinions.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: ISpy on February 18, 2012, 10:54:32 AM
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20120218/OPINION/202180301/Let-s-never-forget-Charlie-Braden-Powell-keep-asking-why-

Let's never forget Charlie and Braden Powell and keep asking 'why?'

Quote
What kind of lifetime mental images created someone who could come up with such a terrifying final ending?

Study Steve Powell and you'll find your answer.
So true! If I were LE, I'd be dogging the rest of the Powell family (Jennifer excluded).  Where there's smoke, there's fire.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 18, 2012, 11:05:49 AM
JMO

Carpe & ISpy thank you,its just hard for me to retype that sickening info
im still angry that the ball was dropped and it resulted in the murders
of 2 innocent boys.

just wondering how many of those,that had the power of decision in this
case were,are mormon
i have some concerns,as to whether the ball was dropped bc of the mormon
influence,in the lives of those involved in the decisions they made,or an
overall political mormon influence regarding all the decisions made.

in other words not shinning the light on the negative actions,of mormons
or former mormons,as the mormons have been in the news the last few yrs
due to some political office seekers,who happen to be Mormon,and others
trying to bring negative attention,to those political aspirations,saying
mormonism is a cult/cultish.for some reason,i dont think the laws regarding
this case were followed to the T.

one more thought on the house of powell, SP got his sick values,attitude
from somewhere (IE:his father?),i will never as long as i live,understand
the sick need to make your offspring,into a vile corrupt sick individual.
im hoping someone in that fam breaks,and exposes the sickness that has went
on for yrs,in hopes that it will shed light and understanding,on the mind
of these type of individuals,i know this is about a missing susan,but i cant
to wonder if there is an SP relative,committing the same atrocities
its time to get this type of sick BS,from behind closed doors and into the open

JOSH POWELL YOU LEFT A VILE CAN OF WORMS AS A LEGACY


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: yuknomenot on February 18, 2012, 01:11:03 PM
I should know this answer, but I don't.  Are there any other Powell grandchildren who should be protected from what remains of that hellish family group (Jennifer excluded, of course)?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Ono on February 18, 2012, 01:38:06 PM
Isn't it illegal o haved the kid of images that maggot man had on his computer illegal?  Why hadn't he been arrested? So many opportunities missed to save those boys. ::monkeydenied:: 

My questions exactly!!!   The inertia displayed is just stunning.  Where was common sense in all of this?  Child endangerment is just all over this case from Day One. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on February 18, 2012, 01:38:49 PM
This case hopefully will offer lessons to authorities dealing with the same type of situation.

There are many children who are left in the care of a parent because the other died or disappeared under mysterious circumstances.

It is hard to predict what a murderer would do if put against a corner.



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 18, 2012, 02:10:03 PM
Thinking about Charlie's conversation with his teacher where he insisted that he didn't have a brother and it was just him and his dad made me wonder if Josh may have planned at some to kill Braden (he wasn't bonding with Josh but seemed to be bonding with the Coxes and others) and run away with Charlie.  Considering Braden's age, Josh may have viewed him as being more Susan's son than his. 
KittyMom- That remark spoke volumes to me too. Normal sibling rivalry doesn't "off" a brother, even verbally. I'm thinking Braden, being younger and more emotionally needing Mommy, wasn't going along with the program too well (lots of crying, asking questions, missing Susan, etc.).  All of the those would have angered Josh, who would have attributed it to betrayal, hated Susan even more, and likely acted out on Braden in some fashion (likely making him feel disloyal and guilty for missing his mom). Josh turned this into a fight to the death for the children; Susan just wanted a good husband and father; the Coxes just wanted a good son-in-law and father for their grands. Josh, on the other hand, needed to be their world. We see from the report that Josh put all the blame on Susan's being missing squarely on Susan.  He clearly brainwashed those sweet little guys into thinking their mom abandoned them, to solidify their loyalty to him. He systematically attempted to make them afraid of the Coxes, the police, and everyone but himself and the Powell groupies ( I refuse to refer to them as a family-they have no concept of what a family is and how it behaves). IMO, Braden sensed that Josh wasn't on the level and he didn't fully trust him. He likely was weighing what he'd known of his mother and what the Coxes said against what he was hearing Josh and the Powells say.

All the signs were there, as we see repeatedly in the report.  IMO, Josh was likely grooming Charlie, as the more compliant one. Cartoon porn with children's favorite characters was probably not for Josh, given the violent porn he'd grown up with and had on his computer already, as well as the number of downloads from a multitude of of different incest sites (per the psychologist's report). IMO, he was encouraging Charlie to be a loner, as Josh basically stated in his assessment of Charlie. Josh said Charlie had friends, but also liked to be alone-that's not what the teachers were seeing. Charlie was exhibiting abnormal antisocial behavior, combined with specific death threats, and killing/death was on his little mind (his drawing, how to bury a dead animal so no one will find it, etc.). Seriously, most little boys who don't want to be friends just scuffle at that age. They don't threaten to come to someone's house, in the middle of the night, and kill them. Josh was working overtime to isolate the boys from the Coxes and instill in them distrust of anyone outside of the Powells. The report also highlighted Josh's pattern of "wow-ing" the boys, a known grooming technique. Given the Powell divorce information about Josh's adolescent behaviors and home life, along with a missing (and supposed dead Susan), followed by Steve Powell and the family culture, there should have been zero contact with Josh Powell.  My opinions.
I agree with everything you've stated.  Sadly, I think poor little Charlie was being successfully influenced by his sick father.  If he'd lived much longer under that influence, he may have crossed a line from which he could never turn back.  Authorities failed these kids.  Hopefully, changes can be made that will prevent this type thing happening again.  There should be lots of people finding it difficult to sleep at night.

I, too, feel that a family study should be done with the Powells.  There has to be a history of abuse that goes further back than just SP.  How Jennifer escaped is God's blessing. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: clarice on February 18, 2012, 08:20:47 PM
When are they going to arrest Ayla's father? are they waiting for another Josh Powell to emerge?

Between the Criminal Defense attorneys going after LE for lack of evidence and LE being scared of getting sued for millions by attorneys, these precious children are being murdered...and dangerous people are walking around.

I am sick and tired of criminal defense attorneys and their sound bytes of "Constitutional rights". Blah, blah, blah. We may need to write to our representatives on this one. When it comes to children, no parent should be hiding behind the Constitution and not talking to LE. I am fed up with it.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 18, 2012, 08:27:43 PM
'Place that needs healing': Powell boys mourned

Nobody used the word “exorcism,” but it seemed to apply.

About 30 people, including religious leaders from a half-dozen faiths, gathered Saturday morning at the house where Josh Powell killed himself and his two sons, seeking to use prayer and symbolic ritual to rid the place of whatever evil might remain.

“Father, this is a place that needs healing,” Pierce County Sheriff’s Chaplain Rick Bulman prayed. “We ask that you turn this into hallowed ground.”

The small group, huddled under umbrellas and shivering from the cold, shared personal reflections about the deaths of the Powell family and chanted in unison, “Save us, Oh God, from all evil.”

 ::snipping2::

During the symbolic cleansing, Rev. Heidi Calhoun sprinkled “holy” water over the site, using a branch from a nearby holly bush to shake droplets over the six-foot cyclone security fence set up by authorities to keep the curious away.

As Calhoun worked her way partway around the perimeter, the Rev. Chris Morton, the executive director of Associated Ministries, called out, “Come, Spirit, to this place. As we sprinkle this water, come, Spirit, and redeem this space and people from the violence and death that has occurred here.”

Associated Ministries has been conducting similar blessing ceremonies at murder sites in Pierce County for 12 years.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/18/2032092/place-that-needs-healing-powell.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: clarice on February 18, 2012, 08:28:40 PM
I don't think it is that difficult to predict behavior. I had worked in the system and I can tell you that most just don't want to say it. They do not want to held accountable...and they don't have to.

I have seen custody approach the SWs and ask what they think the chances of the inmate who is paroling will repeat and they refuse to answer.

In my experience whoever was taking the children to visit him had ample opportunity to record his behavior and lend an opinion. In this type of case, this should and would be done (at least by me).  I am betting it wasn't done in this case. They just routinely did their Sunday job, got paid overtime and never charted the behavior of the father. Many do not go that extra step. I know, I've been there and I've seen it.

When you do go the extra step, sometime you have to go to court and defend it; sometimes you may experience the anger of the person and sometimes you have to argue your point to the lawyer in a court of law.

Typically, employes are afraid of the POI;afraid of lawyers and afraid of getting physically hurt so they do nothing but the bare minimum that their job states.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: clarice on February 18, 2012, 08:36:12 PM
Isn't it illegal o haved the kid of images that maggot man had on his computer illegal?  Why hadn't he been arrested? So many opportunities missed to save those boys. ::monkeydenied:: 

My questions exactly!!!   The inertia displayed is just stunning.  Where was common sense in all of this?  Child endangerment is just all over this case from Day One. 

Sadly, it will continue. The system is broken. Their is no accountability and you can't teach them, warn them or do anything with the people that work in Government. We cannot depend on the Government to take care of our children. We have seen this go on for years. They give the children to the parent that squeaks the loudest or has the most money or is the bio. It isn't fair or right. The judges and Social Workers sleep just fine. I know. I'be been there. They can rationalize what they do by just referring to the law or their job description (which never includes your gut feeling or investigate).

As long as we put a limit and a strong arm on Law Enforcement and what they can do to get the parents to talk, this will continue. The nation has become soft and it's getting worse. Personally, if I hear one more poster proclaim the parents hare their Cons. rights, I am going to throw up.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Green Eyes on February 19, 2012, 01:46:40 AM
Isn't it illegal o haved the kid of images that maggot man had on his computer illegal?  Why hadn't he been arrested? So many opportunities missed to save those boys. ::monkeydenied:: 

My questions exactly!!!   The inertia displayed is just stunning.  Where was common sense in all of this?  Child endangerment is just all over this case from Day One. 

Sadly, it will continue. The system is broken. Their is no accountability and you can't teach them, warn them or do anything with the people that work in Government. We cannot depend on the Government to take care of our children. We have seen this go on for years. They give the children to the parent that squeaks the loudest or has the most money or is the bio. It isn't fair or right. The judges and Social Workers sleep just fine. I know. I'be been there. They can rationalize what they do by just referring to the law or their job description (which never includes your gut feeling or investigate).

As long as we put a limit and a strong arm on Law Enforcement and what they can do to get the parents to talk, this will continue. The nation has become soft and it's getting worse. Personally, if I hear one more poster proclaim the parents hare their Cons. rights, I am going to throw up.

Sadly what have said is true. Our legal system has given everybody but the victims Their Con. rights.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 19, 2012, 09:43:30 AM
http://susanpowell.org/Outsiders/Chuck-Cox-official-spokespersons/Jennifer-Kirk-Graves-ousted-from-family-hysterical-behavior

This is a page of mis-information from SusanPowell.org about Jennifer Graves.

Apparently,  Jennifer disowned her father 20 years prior.  And Terri Powell was still co-dependent with her ex and her children.

Lots of pictures and what looks to be one of Steve & Terri Powell and 2 young children.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: strayze on February 19, 2012, 12:04:18 PM
Hopefully, I shall never ever have to deal with  "social" worker again in my life.  My experience at the university where my specialist doctor worked, was disastrous.  The "social" worker harassed  both my husband and me mercilously.  I am not a criminal nor is my husband.  It became too difficult to make my appointments there.  I shall never know what happened, but I believe the doctor's clerk typist was up to no good for the extremely petty reason that I did not remember her middle name.  I don't know what the interpersonal relations were in that doctor's practice.  All I could do was to run as fast as I could and seek a specialist at an out of state university, requiring driving long distances.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: strayze on February 19, 2012, 12:14:17 PM
I do hope that "social" workers help bring resolution to some situations.  I do know that hospitals use them to clear out the place of patients to make room for new ones.  But in my case I was not a hospital patient, but rather a routine outpatient.   Perhaps the social worker received false instructions.  The behavior was so bad that I had to go out of state for outpatient visits.  I can't imagine how the hospitalized patients are treated.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cadillac on February 19, 2012, 01:33:11 PM
http://susanpowell.org/Outsiders/Chuck-Cox-official-spokespersons/Jennifer-Kirk-Graves-ousted-from-family-hysterical-behavior

This is a page of mis-information from SusanPowell.org about Jennifer Graves.

Apparently,  Jennifer disowned her father 20 years prior.  And Terri Powell was still co-dependent with her ex and her children.

Lots of pictures and what looks to be one of Steve & Terri Powell and 2 young children.
Interesting to read this now, in light of what Josh has done - to his children.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: akmom on February 19, 2012, 01:52:34 PM
A murderer backed into a corner, murders.  1+1=2


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 19, 2012, 02:54:21 PM
http://susanpowell.org/Outsiders/Chuck-Cox-official-spokespersons/Jennifer-Kirk-Graves-ousted-from-family-hysterical-behavior

This is a page of mis-information from SusanPowell.org about Jennifer Graves.

Apparently,  Jennifer disowned her father 20 years prior.  And Terri Powell was still co-dependent with her ex and her children.

Lots of pictures and what looks to be one of Steve & Terri Powell and 2 young children.

Now that the sicko is imprisoned and Josh has done what he's done... I cannot help but wonder why the site is still up. I mean, who is helping SP keep it up or if it's just him doing it, how is he able to do it? I hope someone strong arms whoever is behind it to take it down.

I hope Jennifer plans to stay far away from that scary bunch for safety's sake. No one is safe around those people.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 19, 2012, 03:05:54 PM
http://susanpowell.org/Outsiders/Chuck-Cox-official-spokespersons/Jennifer-Kirk-Graves-ousted-from-family-hysterical-behavior

This is a page of mis-information from SusanPowell.org about Jennifer Graves.

Apparently,  Jennifer disowned her father 20 years prior.  And Terri Powell was still co-dependent with her ex and her children.

Lots of pictures and what looks to be one of Steve & Terri Powell and 2 young children.
Interesting to read this now, in light of what Josh has done - to his children.   ::MonkeyMad::

Lots of uber creepy crap on there. One thing that made me really cringe was reading this part...
Grandpa Steve commented, "It warms my heart to come home from work and be greeted at the door by two beautiful and affectionate little boys
It's on this page http://susanpowell.org/Who-is-Susan-Powell/Wife-and-mother

The words disgusting vile monster just doesn't come anywhere near describing him.

I'd love to have five minutes alone with that sicko in his cell. I could make him talk. His voice would be high pitched and filled with painful groans, but he'd be talking to the police!!!! Just five minutes!!!! ::MonkeyMad::

~Nora


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Wyks on February 19, 2012, 08:29:52 PM
In light of all that has been made public, that Utah LE 'held back' from Washington LE, knew about, yet allowed Josh to leave the state with those two boys.. (because they didn't have enuff evidence to prevent that.. BS!).. am thinking that Susan's parents have plenty to stand on if they were to bring wrongful death charges etc against Utah LE.  And seeing that Washington LE did (even if after 2 years) finally receive what Utah LE had been holding back for so long... yet still allowed Josh to have "supervised" visits with his sons... Susan's parents could file wrongful death charges etc against Washington LE and Family Services as well.  IMO. 

And as heartwarming as it appears to be, that this has caught the attention of a Senator in Washington, who is 'looking into' the whole matter... one just has to wonder if she is only doing so because the whole world is watching.  Here's hoping she would still have investigated things even if the media wasn't relaying her every move and concern. 

One also has to wonder how many OTHER children in that area and elsewhere have slipped thru the cracks of the system, being further abused and perhaps have died.. all due to the inaction and/or carelessness of LE and/or Family Services. 

I am a survivor of severe childhood abuse, born and living in the Pacific NW, while Oregon/Washington LE and Family Services knew, but looked the other way.  Not only that, but 'part of' the abuse itself.  Which is why they looked the other way.  Perhaps there are 'good cops', 'good social workers', 'good doctors/lawyers/clergy/etc', in Portland and Washington.  There must be.  But I wouldn't trust leaving a goldfish into their care.  Nope.  For one thing, there is a huge major cult in that area, and others, that LE knows about, yet does nothing.  Things haven't changed much in the last 55 years.  Children still go missing, are still being abused, are still dying.  And those of us who do survive, by one miracle or another, continue to cringe, as each new child is abused/killed and LE either does nothing meaningful to either prevent it, or bring justice for them. 

This will keep happening until society as a whole gets sick and tired of children being treated this way.  One survivor alone cannot bring change.  WE all, across America and beyond, need to take a stand together, and say....... Enough! 

IMO. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 19, 2012, 09:41:26 PM
http://susanpowell.org/Outsiders/Chuck-Cox-official-spokespersons/Jennifer-Kirk-Graves-ousted-from-family-hysterical-behavior

This is a page of mis-information from SusanPowell.org about Jennifer Graves.

Apparently,  Jennifer disowned her father 20 years prior.  And Terri Powell was still co-dependent with her ex and her children.

Lots of pictures and what looks to be one of Steve & Terri Powell and 2 young children.

Now that the sicko is imprisoned and Josh has done what he's done... I cannot help but wonder why the site is still up. I mean, who is helping SP keep it up or if it's just him doing it, how is he able to do it? I hope someone strong arms whoever is behind it to take it down.

I hope Jennifer plans to stay far away from that scary bunch for safety's sake. No one is safe around those people.
Brother Michael is behind that sick site, imo.  He and Alina are going to defend the monsters as long as they have breath.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 19, 2012, 11:54:54 PM
Psychologist: Josh Powell had adjustment disorder, narcissistic personality disorder

 ::snipping2::

Powell told Manley that his wife was "OK with it," when he decided to take his children camping the night his wife disappeared, claiming her biggest concern was that the children be kept warm.

"He referenced that prior to leaving the family home he had 'washed' the couch and placed a fan nearby to dry it," Manley wrote. "He noted 'Susan did not like running machines. She would rather use scissors to trim the lawn instead of a weed whacker. We made an agreement, that I would wash the couch and she would shovel the walkway.' Mr. Powell was uncertain about what his wife had been doing the last time he saw her but that she was 'on her way to bed.' "

 ::snipping2::

In the documents, Josh Powell also spoke about his father's obsession with Susan, telling CPS caseworkers he'd known about it for eight years, "but was only upset with his father for approximately two weeks after Steven Powell told him information about his obsession would be seen in the seized computers."

Josh called his father's attraction "not acceptable."

 ::snipping2::

In another encounter with a social worker, Powell choked back tears as he said "it isn't normal for a husband to lose his wife."

Manley, who evaluated Powell at the request of the courts, diagnosed him with an adjustment disorder with anxiety and a narcissistic personality disorder. He wrote that Powell has anxiety because of his wife's disappearance, Steven Powell's arrest and "obsession" with Susan, his separation from his children and the media circus surrounding the case.

"Psychological testing suggests Mr. Powell approached the tested administrations defensively. The resulting pattern of responses portrays someone free of common shortcomings to which most individuals will admit, and is somewhat reluctant to recognize faults or problems in himself."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 20, 2012, 08:45:31 AM
Psychologist: Josh Powell had adjustment disorder, narcissistic personality disorder

 ::snipping2::

Powell told Manley that his wife was "OK with it," when he decided to take his children camping the night his wife disappeared, claiming her biggest concern was that the children be kept warm.

"He referenced that prior to leaving the family home he had 'washed' the couch and placed a fan nearby to dry it," Manley wrote. "He noted 'Susan did not like running machines. She would rather use scissors to trim the lawn instead of a weed whacker. We made an agreement, that I would wash the couch and she would shovel the walkway.' Mr. Powell was uncertain about what his wife had been doing the last time he saw her but that she was 'on her way to bed.' "

 ::snipping2::

In the documents, Josh Powell also spoke about his father's obsession with Susan, telling CPS caseworkers he'd known about it for eight years, "but was only upset with his father for approximately two weeks after Steven Powell told him information about his obsession would be seen in the seized computers."

Josh called his father's attraction "not acceptable."

 ::snipping2::

In another encounter with a social worker, Powell choked back tears as he said "it isn't normal for a husband to lose his wife."

Manley, who evaluated Powell at the request of the courts, diagnosed him with an adjustment disorder with anxiety and a narcissistic personality disorder. He wrote that Powell has anxiety because of his wife's disappearance, Steven Powell's arrest and "obsession" with Susan, his separation from his children and the media circus surrounding the case.

"Psychological testing suggests Mr. Powell approached the tested administrations defensively. The resulting pattern of responses portrays someone free of common shortcomings to which most individuals will admit, and is somewhat reluctant to recognize faults or problems in himself."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story


http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story
 ::MonkeyNoNo::
Reading between the lines, this tells me Josh made Susan do heavy work, like shoveling the driveway.  I wonder if she had to cut the lawn by hand?  Somewhere in the statements is some truth, I think.  There are lies, but some truths in there.   I don't believe Susan would have okayed Josh taking the boys out camping that cold wintry night

Isn't it just sick about the part where Josh says he knew about Steve's obsession with Susan for eight years, but was only upset with him for two weeks because evidence of his obsession would be seen on the seized computers?!  Sick!!  


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: can on February 20, 2012, 10:02:49 AM
Psychologist: Josh Powell had adjustment disorder, narcissistic personality disorder

 ::snipping2::

Powell told Manley that his wife was "OK with it," when he decided to take his children camping the night his wife disappeared, claiming her biggest concern was that the children be kept warm.

"He referenced that prior to leaving the family home he had 'washed' the couch and placed a fan nearby to dry it," Manley wrote. "He noted 'Susan did not like running machines. She would rather use scissors to trim the lawn instead of a weed whacker. We made an agreement, that I would wash the couch and she would shovel the walkway.' Mr. Powell was uncertain about what his wife had been doing the last time he saw her but that she was 'on her way to bed.' "

 ::snipping2::

In the documents, Josh Powell also spoke about his father's obsession with Susan, telling CPS caseworkers he'd known about it for eight years, "but was only upset with his father for approximately two weeks after Steven Powell told him information about his obsession would be seen in the seized computers."

Josh called his father's attraction "not acceptable."

 ::snipping2::

In another encounter with a social worker, Powell choked back tears as he said "it isn't normal for a husband to lose his wife."

Manley, who evaluated Powell at the request of the courts, diagnosed him with an adjustment disorder with anxiety and a narcissistic personality disorder. He wrote that Powell has anxiety because of his wife's disappearance, Steven Powell's arrest and "obsession" with Susan, his separation from his children and the media circus surrounding the case.

"Psychological testing suggests Mr. Powell approached the tested administrations defensively. The resulting pattern of responses portrays someone free of common shortcomings to which most individuals will admit, and is somewhat reluctant to recognize faults or problems in himself."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story


http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story
 ::MonkeyNoNo::
Reading between the lines, this tells me Josh made Susan do heavy work, like shoveling the driveway.  I wonder if she had to cut the lawn by hand?  Somewhere in the statements is some truth, I think.  There are lies, but some truths in there.   I don't believe Susan would have okayed Josh taking the boys out camping that cold wintry night

Isn't it just sick about the part where Josh says he knew about Steve's obsession with Susan for eight years, but was only upset with him for two weeks because evidence of his obsession would be seen on the seized computers?!  Sick!!  

Very sick Muffy ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 20, 2012, 10:44:44 AM
Sick and scary.  It sounds like that house was a living horror for Susan and the boys.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 20, 2012, 11:22:09 AM
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story

 ::snipping2::
Josh Powell was denied custody of his children for another six months and ordered to take a polygraph and psychosexual evaluation. Less than a week later, he killed himself and his sons.
::snipping2::

i think the testing ordered threw Josh over the threshold b/c he knew he would never get the boys back after the polygraph test.

Not only would he be questioned about Susan, but questioned about any incestuous relationships he might have had with his boys and/or within his own family.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Babybear on February 20, 2012, 11:56:02 AM
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story

 ::snipping2::
Josh Powell was denied custody of his children for another six months and ordered to take a polygraph and psychosexual evaluation. Less than a week later, he killed himself and his sons.
::snipping2::

i think the testing ordered threw Josh over the threshold b/c he knew he would never get the boys back after the polygraph test.

Not only would he be questioned about Susan, but questioned about any incestuous relationships he might have had with his boys and/or within his own family.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think you're right about Josh's motivation to kill the boys and himself at the particular time that he did.  He must have known that he was on the verge of being found out--his whole ugly, obscene life.

I wonder why most social services dealing with children have the philosophy that the goal should always be to reunite the child with his/her biological family.  In most cases it is the action of the biological family which put the child at risk in the first place.  I think the goal should be to place a child where they are safest and happiest, even if it be with strangers.  I think these two beautiful children were not considered as most important, but some abstract goal was what was important, the goal being to reunite them with their father.  I wonder what ever became of common sense.  I miss it.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 20, 2012, 11:59:50 AM
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Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Sister on February 20, 2012, 12:34:43 PM
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story

 ::snipping2::
Josh Powell was denied custody of his children for another six months and ordered to take a polygraph and psychosexual evaluation. Less than a week later, he killed himself and his sons.
::snipping2::

i think the testing ordered threw Josh over the threshold b/c he knew he would never get the boys back after the polygraph test.

Not only would he be questioned about Susan, but questioned about any incestuous relationships he might have had with his boys and/or within his own family.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think you're right about Josh's motivation to kill the boys and himself at the particular time that he did.  He must have known that he was on the verge of being found out--his whole ugly, obscene life.

I wonder why most social services dealing with children have the philosophy that the goal should always be to reunite the child with his/her biological family.  In most cases it is the action of the biological family which put the child at risk in the first place.  I think the goal should be to place a child where they are safest and happiest, even if it be with strangers.  I think these two beautiful children were not considered as most important, but some abstract goal was what was important, the goal being to reunite them with their father.  I wonder what ever became of common sense.  I miss it.
I agree Babybear.  The goal was not what was best for the children.  This reuniting philosophy has got to stop as it often turns deadly for the children.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: yuknomenot on February 20, 2012, 12:51:49 PM
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story

 ::snipping2::
Josh Powell was denied custody of his children for another six months and ordered to take a polygraph and psychosexual evaluation. Less than a week later, he killed himself and his sons.
::snipping2::

i think the testing ordered threw Josh over the threshold b/c he knew he would never get the boys back after the polygraph test.

Not only would he be questioned about Susan, but questioned about any incestuous relationships he might have had with his boys and/or within his own family.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
::rhino:: And to add more horror to the mountain of horrors, it would mean he was fully aware that whatever he/they were doing to Susan and the boys (and probably many others) was sick , deviant, perverted, etc.  It also would mean that he chose to be that way.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 20, 2012, 03:05:46 PM
 ::snipping2::

Powell told Manley that his wife was "OK with it," when he decided to take his children camping the night his wife disappeared, claiming her biggest concern was that the children be kept warm.

"He referenced that prior to leaving the family home he had 'washed' the couch and placed a fan nearby to dry it," Manley wrote. "He noted 'Susan did not like running machines. She would rather use scissors to trim the lawn instead of a weed whacker. We made an agreement, that I would wash the couch and she would shovel the walkway.' Mr. Powell was uncertain about what his wife had been doing the last time he saw her but that she was 'on her way to bed.' "

Susan Cox Powell's parents have taken issue with Powell's version of events.

"I think everybody knows you don't go camping in the middle of the night in a snowstorm," Chuck Cox told FOX 13 the day after the murder-suicide. "And when the husband fixes a meal for the family and all of a sudden, somebody's sick..."

Asked if he believed Susan was poisoned, Chuck and Judy Cox said "anything's possible."

"Or drugged," Chuck Cox said. "Or something."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story

Josh's story has holes big enough to climb through.

Now, the RED stain on the carpet that Susan stayed home to clean becomes a stained couch that Josh cleaned before he went camping.

Other reports note that Susan went to bed after dinner b/c she became sick at dinner. But Josh says here Susan was going to go to bed and let him take the kids camping.  And she agreed to shovel the snow, even though she was ill?

And IMO, not only was Josh scared of taking a polygraph test b/c of sexual perversions with his family, and abuse of Susan and the kids, he was scared because they would question him about Susan's disappearance/murder.

He was damned if he told the truth, and caught lying if he didn't.  There was no way he was going to get his boys back.

Why didn't CPS restrict his privileges until after the testing was complete?  Couldn't they see they had him in the glare of the headlights?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on February 20, 2012, 05:41:29 PM
Of course, the only evidence to prove that Josh went camping is his own word. Was there camping equipment anywhere in that van? If so, was it wet and slushy because of the snow all over the place that night?

I remember the winter of 2009 started early and was extremely cold. Snow and freezing alerts were issued due to storms in the area. Storms that lasted for at least two whole days. Where did he REALLY go that he ended up with frostbitten nose/cheeks and hands, but the children did not. Where were the children when they were supposed to be camping?

The van he drove that night, and any of his cars, should've had dirt and mud on wheels and undercarriage to point to where he really had been that night.

It would be nice for the sheriff's office to release all that is known in the case, since it should be considered closed. Steve may have helped after the fact, but we know who in the family was crazy enough to do what was done.

Maybe with the released information more witnesses will come out.



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 20, 2012, 09:12:10 PM
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/josh-powell-dshs-documents-what-they-reveal-part-2-josh-was-narcicistic
Josh Powell DSHS documents: What they reveal (Part 2 – Child porn, dysfunction)
Isabelle Zehnder
February 19, 2012



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 20, 2012, 10:10:53 PM
more at the links

Listen: DSHS defends the handling of Josh Powell case
http://kiroradio.com/listen/38928/#

Dori Monson
97.3 KIRO FM reporter Brandi Kruse live from Chuck & Judy Cox's house
http://kiroradio.com/listen/38789/



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 20, 2012, 10:14:24 PM
DSHS defends its handling of Josh Powell case
http://mynorthwest.com/11/625067/Senator-Roach-Utah-warned-DSHS-about-Powell

 ::snipping2::
Did police in Utah warn authorities in Washington that Josh Powell's children were in danger?
 State Senator Pam Roach, R-Auburn, wants to know specifically what information police in West Valley City, Utah provided to Washington's Department of Social and Health Services, but DSHS says there is nothing they could have done to stop Josh Powell from seeing his two boys.
  ::snipping2::
"We would have taken action if there would have been any information about physical harm toward the children by Joshua Powell or any suicidal thoughts," Sherry Hill with DSHS, told 97.3 KIRO
 ::snipping2::
Senator Roach has submitted a request for communication between Utah police and DSHS under public disclosure laws.
 
"I think we need to know what was sent from the state of Utah to Washington state and we will determine by the content whether or not there was a warning that was disregarded," said Roach.
 
The police chief in West Valley City, Utah issued a news release on Feb. 1, 2012, the day a judge in Tacoma denied Powell's latest request for custody of his two children. The press release stated, in part, that while investigating the disappearance of Powell's wife Susan in 2009, the department "discovered information specifically related to their children's welfare."
 more @link


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 20, 2012, 10:45:12 PM
Brent Hunsaker - Debate over documents released in Powell case
 ::snipping2::
"Mr Hunsaker, at this point, what was the reasoning for reporting on the images found on Powell's computer? What was the point of sharing that information, especially at this point? What were you trying to trying to prove? He was unstable? That was obvious when he made the horrible choice to blow up his house with himself and his two boys in it, I didn't see the point of your piece. It was sensationalistic, in bad taste and you are continuing to tear off the band-aid on a wound many people need to start healing. What the images were would have had no bearing on where Susan may be and that's the only issue left now. Your piece was in poor taste, very 'seedy,' and left a bad taste in my mouth."

- Julie
Julie, here's my response:

"The point" is actually a question: Could the deaths of Charlie and Braden Powell have been prevented?
 ::snipping2::
What's more, when were those images discovered on Josh Powell's computer? Were they from a computer confiscated by West Valley police during the initial searches in December of 2009, or more recently in the September 2011 raid on Steven Powell's house in Puyallup, Washington?

The "when" is important. It will help answer the question of why the boys were allowed to stay with their father up to a year and a half after their mother had disappeared under suspicious circumstances.
http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/blogs/story/Brent-Hunsaker-Debate-over-documents-released-in/ly47hwrAIEelbZmB_YQWIQ.cspx


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 21, 2012, 02:49:35 AM
Brent Hunsaker - Debate over documents released in Powell case
 ::snipping2::
"Mr Hunsaker, at this point, what was the reasoning for reporting on the images found on Powell's computer? What was the point of sharing that information, especially at this point? What were you trying to trying to prove? He was unstable? That was obvious when he made the horrible choice to blow up his house with himself and his two boys in it, I didn't see the point of your piece. It was sensationalistic, in bad taste and you are continuing to tear off the band-aid on a wound many people need to start healing. What the images were would have had no bearing on where Susan may be and that's the only issue left now. Your piece was in poor taste, very 'seedy,' and left a bad taste in my mouth."

- Julie
Julie, here's my response:

"The point" is actually a question: Could the deaths of Charlie and Braden Powell have been prevented?
 ::snipping2::
What's more, when were those images discovered on Josh Powell's computer? Were they from a computer confiscated by West Valley police during the initial searches in December of 2009, or more recently in the September 2011 raid on Steven Powell's house in Puyallup, Washington?

The "when" is important.
It will help answer the question of why the boys were allowed to stay with their father up to a year and a half after their mother had disappeared under suspicious circumstances.
http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/blogs/story/Brent-Hunsaker-Debate-over-documents-released-in/ly47hwrAIEelbZmB_YQWIQ.cspx

KIRO TV

More information about 'incestuous' images on Powell computer

 

Investigators said Friday that images found on Josh Powell's computer more than two years ago were initially in a file format difficult to open, but once that was accomplished, officials found realistic-looking animations that depicted incestuous scenarios and child pornography.

 

"It's of adults and kids, and it appears to be a family setting, but it becomes sexually involved with all the characters," Troyer said.

 

Those images came up during a custody hearing a week and a half ago, when the 29-year-old Powell was ordered to undergo a psychosexual evaluation and lie detector test.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/comforter-found-powell-storage-unit-be-tested/nHZZJ/
 ::snipping2::

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: Still makes me mad! Their deaths were positively preventable.



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 21, 2012, 08:41:53 AM
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-susan-powell-susan-powells-family-contemplates-lawsuit-20120220,0,3408817.story
Susan Powell's family contemplates lawsuit
Ben Winslow FOX 13 News
9:47 p.m. MST, February 20, 2012
PUYALLUP, Washington—
Video at link.

The family of missing West Valley City mother Susan Cox Powell acknowledged Monday they were contemplating a lawsuit against Washington authorities over the child custody case that led to the murder-suicide involving her children.

"Right now, we need to figure out exactly where the blame lays," Chuck Cox told FOX 13.

Cox cautioned that talk of a lawsuit is premature and there were no immediate plans for any litigation.

"There's a lot of questions about how they could have allowed visitation, knowing what they knew about Josh," he said.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 21, 2012, 09:01:35 AM
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-susan-powell-susan-powells-family-contemplates-lawsuit-20120220,0,3408817.story
Susan Powell's family contemplates lawsuit
Ben Winslow FOX 13 News
9:47 p.m. MST, February 20, 2012
PUYALLUP, Washington—
Video at link.

The family of missing West Valley City mother Susan Cox Powell acknowledged Monday they were contemplating a lawsuit against Washington authorities over the child custody case that led to the murder-suicide involving her children.

"Right now, we need to figure out exactly where the blame lays," Chuck Cox told FOX 13.

Cox cautioned that talk of a lawsuit is premature and there were no immediate plans for any litigation.

"There's a lot of questions about how they could have allowed visitation, knowing what they knew about Josh," he said.
 ::snipping2::
If it leads to changes in the system and prevents this type of thing from happening again, I say more power to them.  The Coxes are now the poster family for system failure. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 21, 2012, 09:04:38 AM
I'd like to see answers to the following?

So, who exactly hacked the files and when? 

The sad fact is that both WA & UT agencies knew those kids were in danger.  Did the Coxes have any legal right (as grandparents and as interested parties to the custody of the kids) to know what the investigation turned up?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 21, 2012, 10:24:11 AM
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-psychologist-josh-powell-had-adjustment-disorder-narcissistic-personality-disorder-20120219,0,5021310.story

 ::snipping2::
Josh Powell was denied custody of his children for another six months and ordered to take a polygraph and psychosexual evaluation. Less than a week later, he killed himself and his sons.
::snipping2::

i think the testing ordered threw Josh over the threshold b/c he knew he would never get the boys back after the polygraph test.

Not only would he be questioned about Susan, but questioned about any incestuous relationships he might have had with his boys and/or within his own family.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think you're right about Josh's motivation to kill the boys and himself at the particular time that he did.  He must have known that he was on the verge of being found out--his whole ugly, obscene life.

I wonder why most social services dealing with children have the philosophy that the goal should always be to reunite the child with his/her biological family.  In most cases it is the action of the biological family which put the child at risk in the first place.  I think the goal should be to place a child where they are safest and happiest, even if it be with strangers.  I think these two beautiful children were not considered as most important, but some abstract goal was what was important, the goal being to reunite them with their father.  I wonder what ever became of common sense.  I miss it.
I agree Babybear.  The goal was not what was best for the children.  This reuniting philosophy has got to stop as it often turns deadly for the children.

The mantra of family unification comes from the laws of the state.  According to that statute, parents of children have primary (almost absolute) control of their offspring.  To take this right away, it must be proven that the children are in "immediate" danger.  For example, a parent may threaten to kill his child, however, unless the parent is standing over the child with a butcher knife, the child is not in immediate danger. Yes, I know it is crazy and I have fought this Idiotic premise more than one. 

Also the DHFS, or whatever it is called in your state, works from the bottom up.  The caseworker sees a perceived problem.  They cannot do anything on their own, the must call their supervisor.  Depending on the action that the caseworker wants to take, the supervisor may have to call their supervisor and so on and so on. 

And finally, DCFS always has to get approval from the court to take the child from the parent, unless it is a voluntary placement.  Under emergency circumstances, they may remove the child and then get the judge's approval, but they always have to get the judge's signature.  That means the parents have a right to present their case in court and if they don't have the money for an attorney, one will be provided for them.  DCFS hates to get involved in these types of cases because there are three attorney's being paid for by the state:  DCFS's attorney, the child's attorney ad litem, and  the parent's attorney. 

The DCFS system sucks even though there are a few good workers, especially at the lowest end of the spectrum.  Unfortunately most of these people get fed up with the bureaucracy, low pay, and general bs, and leave with 18 months.  So this is the way the most precious and vulnerable of our population is treated.  Sad but true.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 21, 2012, 01:11:01 PM
In light of all that has been made public, that Utah LE 'held back' from Washington LE, knew about, yet allowed Josh to leave the state with those two boys.. (because they didn't have enuff evidence to prevent that.. BS!).. am thinking that Susan's parents have plenty to stand on if they were to bring wrongful death charges etc against Utah LE.  And seeing that Washington LE did (even if after 2 years) finally receive what Utah LE had been holding back for so long... yet still allowed Josh to have "supervised" visits with his sons... Susan's parents could file wrongful death charges etc against Washington LE and Family Services as well.  IMO. 

And as heartwarming as it appears to be, that this has caught the attention of a Senator in Washington, who is 'looking into' the whole matter... one just has to wonder if she is only doing so because the whole world is watching.  Here's hoping she would still have investigated things even if the media wasn't relaying her every move and concern. 

One also has to wonder how many OTHER children in that area and elsewhere have slipped thru the cracks of the system, being further abused and perhaps have died.. all due to the inaction and/or carelessness of LE and/or Family Services. 

I am a survivor of severe childhood abuse, born and living in the Pacific NW, while Oregon/Washington LE and Family Services knew, but looked the other way.  Not only that, but 'part of' the abuse itself.  Which is why they looked the other way.  Perhaps there are 'good cops', 'good social workers', 'good doctors/lawyers/clergy/etc', in Portland and Washington.  There must be.  But I wouldn't trust leaving a goldfish into their care.  Nope.  For one thing, there is a huge major cult in that area, and others, that LE knows about, yet does nothing.  Things haven't changed much in the last 55 years.  Children still go missing, are still being abused, are still dying.  And those of us who do survive, by one miracle or another, continue to cringe, as each new child is abused/killed and LE either does nothing meaningful to either prevent it, or bring justice for them. 

This will keep happening until society as a whole gets sick and tired of children being treated this way.  One survivor alone cannot bring change.  WE all, across America and beyond, need to take a stand together, and say....... Enough! 

IMO. 


As another survivor, I stand with you Wyks and offer you *hugs*


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 21, 2012, 01:14:32 PM
http://susanpowell.org/Outsiders/Chuck-Cox-official-spokespersons/Jennifer-Kirk-Graves-ousted-from-family-hysterical-behavior

This is a page of mis-information from SusanPowell.org about Jennifer Graves.

Apparently,  Jennifer disowned her father 20 years prior.  And Terri Powell was still co-dependent with her ex and her children.

Lots of pictures and what looks to be one of Steve & Terri Powell and 2 young children.

Now that the sicko is imprisoned and Josh has done what he's done... I cannot help but wonder why the site is still up. I mean, who is helping SP keep it up or if it's just him doing it, how is he able to do it? I hope someone strong arms whoever is behind it to take it down.

I hope Jennifer plans to stay far away from that scary bunch for safety's sake. No one is safe around those people.
Brother Michael is behind that sick site, imo.  He and Alina are going to defend the monsters as long as they have breath.

Is there any way we can have it removed? Anyone know? I know nothing about this area. How do we find out who is allowing them to keep that ugly site up? Maybe we can petition their server? I'm technically challenged as you can tell. That site has got to go.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
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Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 21, 2012, 01:34:33 PM
This reuniting philosophy has got to stop as it often turns deadly for the children.

ITA...especially when the father is a suspect in a "disappearance". This one was simple as far as decisions about what is best for the children... the mother is missing, the father can't get his story straight...that alone is enough to be VERY concerned about the safety of the children... but when you add on everything else too and later he was still getting supervised visitation at a place of his choosing? And during these visits that are supervised he's somehow managing to try to delude the children's minds with things to tell others? It just gets worse and worse and yet that monster still had rights to those babies?

I'm beyond tired of it taking something very tragic like the death of children to change things, i.e Caylee's law, but I hope that at least that happens here so that other children are protected properly. Like Wyks said, it's enough! Children first and foremost, always always always! It's just as you said, this philosophy is seriously flawed.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
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Created on: 19-Jul-06



Why was this domain created 3 1/2 years before Susan went missing?
   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 21, 2012, 01:40:56 PM

Created on: 19-Jul-06


Good Lord!

Was there any way he could have revamped a different site turning into SusanPowell.org? Or did the sicko have a website dedicated to her back then?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 21, 2012, 02:12:12 PM


Why was this domain created 3 1/2 years before Susan went missing?[/b]   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I did a google search and I'm reading over at JQ and they're discussing the same thing. Should I post a link? I don't know since it's another message board site. Someone over there found that josh bought a domain name for Susan and one for each of the kids back in 06. I know a lot of people do things like that but I can't help but wonder why this sicko did it. There's always something underhanded going on with this guy and some of his family.

Why his family hasn't removed that disgusting site yet doesn't help them look any better. It makes them look even more like Josh and Steve. They need to remove it.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 21, 2012, 02:16:02 PM
Here's an article about him purchasing the sites long ago...

http://www.examiner.com/headlines-in-seattle/friends-and-family-weigh-on-new-memorial-website-for-susan-powell-susanpowell-org

He told my husband and myself that he has owned susanpowell.org for years and had, in the past, bought domains for all of his family members for privacy reasons

Privacy reasons?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 21, 2012, 02:29:08 PM
http://www.change.org/petitions/take-down-susan-powellorg-her-memory-is-all-we-have-left-of-her

A website and petition to have susanpowell.org taken off the net.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Babybear on February 21, 2012, 02:33:45 PM
It seems to me that many, maybe not most, but many, children who are murdered have been the subject of state child services who either leave them there or put them back in an abusive home on the premise that the biological family is the best place. Perhaps it's harsh, but I don't think children who have been abused by their parents, or their mother's boyfriend, (Which is often the case)or anyone else, should ever be placed back in that environment.  Yet it happens all the time.  There's Hayleigh Dunn, Zahra Baker, so many of them which I can't enumerate off the top of my head, but many.  Sometimes we read of children services losing a child altogether--a child who is never again found.  I don't know the answer, but I know this isn't working.

I'm so sorry about those who were abused as children.  You are incredibly strong people to have lived through that and to  have become responsible, caring adults.  God bless you.

Wyks, I've missed your sweet monkey with the banana.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 21, 2012, 02:34:08 PM
I found a petition...

Snip...

Take Down Susan Powell.org. Her memory is all we have left of her.

http://www.change.org/petitions/take-down-susan-powellorg-her-memory-is-all-we-have-left-of-her


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 21, 2012, 02:34:32 PM


Why was this domain created 3 1/2 years before Susan went missing?[/b]   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I did a google search and I'm reading over at JQ and they're discussing the same thing. Should I post a link? I don't know since it's another message board site. Someone over there found that josh bought a domain name for Susan and one for each of the kids back in 06. I know a lot of people do things like that but I can't help but wonder why this sicko did it. There's always something underhanded going on with this guy and some of his family.

Why his family hasn't removed that disgusting site yet doesn't help them look any better. It makes them look even more like Josh and Steve. They need to remove it.

I'd like a link, even if you PM or IM me. Thanks!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 21, 2012, 02:34:36 PM
http://www.change.org/petitions/take-down-susan-powellorg-her-memory-is-all-we-have-left-of-her

A website and petition to have susanpowell.org taken off the net.

I owe you a coke.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 21, 2012, 02:41:05 PM


Why was this domain created 3 1/2 years before Susan went missing?[/b]   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I did a google search and I'm reading over at JQ and they're discussing the same thing. Should I post a link? I don't know since it's another message board site. Someone over there found that josh bought a domain name for Susan and one for each of the kids back in 06. I know a lot of people do things like that but I can't help but wonder why this sicko did it. There's always something underhanded going on with this guy and some of his family.

Why his family hasn't removed that disgusting site yet doesn't help them look any better. It makes them look even more like Josh and Steve. They need to remove it.

I'd like a link, even if you PM or IM me. Thanks!

We don't have PM here at SM and I don't have IM. Let me ask one of the mods if I can link it or if you'd like I can email it to you?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 21, 2012, 02:47:51 PM
 As soon as I figure out how to contact the mods. I'm very technically challenged. Do we hit the report to moderator link under a post to contact a mod with a question?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 21, 2012, 03:00:26 PM
I think you can just email Klaasend@scaredmonkeys.com


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 21, 2012, 03:10:54 PM
I think you can just email Klaasend@scaredmonkeys.com

Thanks. I've been looking for that.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: scooters mommy on February 21, 2012, 03:13:52 PM

I found a petition...

Snip...

Take Down Susan Powell.org. Her memory is all we have left of her.

http://www.change.org/petitions/take-down-susan-powellorg-her-memory-is-all-we-have-left-of-her

I signed it!  Hopefully this will work!  Susan deserves better than this.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 21, 2012, 03:18:04 PM

Registered through: The Polished Web
Domain Name: CHARLESPOWELL.ORG
Created on: 04-Dec-07
Expires on: 04-Dec-18
Last Updated on: 23-Jan-12

Registered through: The Polished Web
Domain Name: JOSHPOWELL.ORG
Created on: 04-Dec-07
Expires on: 04-Dec-19
Last Updated on: 23-Jan-12


Registered through: The Polished Web
Domain Name: BRADENPOWELL.ORG
Created on: 04-Dec-07
Expires on: 04-Dec-18
Last Updated on: 23-Jan-12


Registered through: The Polished Web
Domain Name: SUSANPOWELL.ORG
Created on: 19-Jul-06
Expires on: 19-Jul-19
Last Updated on: 17-Jul-10
http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?domain=susanpowell.org&prog_id=GoDaddy

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Why Susan's domain 1 1/2 years before Josh, Braden and Charlies?  Unless someone else originally owned the domain, and Josh bought it later.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 21, 2012, 03:18:10 PM
There is no problem at all with posting a link from a "message board" or another forum, and as a matter of fact, posters need to post a link back to where they are bringing articles & discussion from.  Here are a couple of the rules that may apply. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8844.msg1251553#msg1251553
TOP  10 13 SCARED MONKEYS FORUM RULES   ::MonkeyCool::

5.  You may not link, in any manner, to sites or images containing pornography, sexually explicit, gross violence, or are determined by moderators to be detrimental to the community.

9.  Whenever possible, post a link back to the origin of your article/information (media web page or forum)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 21, 2012, 03:28:12 PM
There is no problem at all with posting a link from a "message board" or another forum, and as a matter of fact, posters need to post a link back to where they are bringing articles & discussion from.  Here are a couple of the rules that may apply. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8844.msg1251553#msg1251553
TOP  10 13 SCARED MONKEYS FORUM RULES   ::MonkeyCool::

5.  You may not link, in any manner, to sites or images containing pornography, sexually explicit, gross violence, or are determined by moderators to be detrimental to the community.

9.  Whenever possible, post a link back to the origin of your article/information (media web page or forum)


Thanks Muffy. Ignore my email Klaas. Sorry.

As long as they aren't porn sites or disgusting places like that, any other forum is okay?

Here's the link to the discussion at JQ. http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1281672 

I'm relieved to find the petition site and that something is going on to pull down that Susanpowell.org site.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 21, 2012, 03:38:23 PM
 ::snipping2::
Registered through: The Polished Web
Domain Name: SUSANPOWELL.US
Created on: 06-Dec-07
Expires on: 05-Dec-21
Last Updated on: 20-Jan-12
Administrative Contact:
Powell, M
whois_2399898237@susanpowell.org
PO Box 73238
Puyallup, Washington 98373-0238
United States
 ::snipping2::

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1281672

~~~~~
Michael Powell?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 21, 2012, 03:49:47 PM
Something that strikes me odd.....

We were shown in previous posts that JP was extremely frugal, requiring Susan to shop within a well defined budget.

Now we're seeing that JP or someone bought multiple domains and funded them for 10+ years into the future! JP had multiple domains names for Susan, himself and the boys besides the .org ones.

I guess we're just seeing more of JP's strange thought processes.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 21, 2012, 04:39:01 PM
A domain name, just like any other piece of property, has an owner.  Who paid for this?  Josh or Steven?  If it were Josh, then when his will is probated, tje asset will belong to who ever he left as his beneficiary.  Is Washington a community property state.  If so, that would mean that Susan's half of the estate would go into a trust, as would be boys until she is declared dead.  Then, the courts would have to decide whose death preceded whose. 

The owner of the entity that is hosting the domain could have much pressure put on it to take down the website.  Without some company to host your domain name, then you are without a venue for people to see tripe such as what this is purporting.



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 21, 2012, 05:38:26 PM
http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?domain=susanpowell.org&prog_id=GoDaddy


Registrant:
Domains By Proxy, LLC

DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: The Polished Web
Domain Name: SUSANPOWELL.ORG
Created on: 19-Jul-06
Expires on: 19-Jul-19
Last Updated on: 17-Jul-10

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration SUSANPOWELL.ORG@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains By Proxy, LLC
DomainsByProxy.com
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Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598

Technical Contact:
Private, Registration SUSANPOWELL.ORG@domainsbyproxy.com
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United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598

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 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Created on: 19-Jul-06


I bet LE can find out who originally obtained this website.  Looks like it wasn't active until early 2010 according to the internet archives. 


There is a Joshpowell.org as well that appears to have never been used:

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/joshpowell.org (http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/joshpowell.org)

Domain ID:D150178700-LROR
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Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 21, 2012, 07:28:18 PM
A 3-page article

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865550552/Cox-family-exploring-solutions-to-prevent-incidents-like-the-murder-of-their-grandsons.html

Cox family exploring solutions to prevent incidents like the murder of their grandsons
By Pat Reavy, Deseret News
Published: Tuesday, Feb. 21 2012 4:14 p.m. MST

PUYALLUP, Wash — Pam Roach has been a longtime advocate for changes in the policies and procedures of the state's Child Protective Services.

With the world's attention focused on the case of Josh Powell, who killed his two young sons and himself during a supervised visit, the Washington state senator is again calling for changes.

On Thursday, in Olympia, Wash., Roach will hold a public hearing.

"The purpose of the meeting will be to explore the serious problems within Child Protective Services and offer solutions to actions that may cause children harm," Roach said in a prepared statement.

Before public comment is taken, she will be joined by Chuck and Judy Cox, the grandparents of Charlie and Braden Powell and parents of Susan Cox Powell, the boys' mother who has been missing since 2009 and is presumed dead.

Josh Powell is the key person of interest in his wife's disappearance. Tuesday, Powell's death certificate was released. It showed that his body was cremated on Friday in Sumner, Wash., a short drive from Puyallup.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 21, 2012, 07:46:05 PM
Josh Powell Death Certificate (PDF) at link


http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-josh-powell-josh-powells-death-certificate-released-by-washington-health-department-20120221,0,7297723.story

Josh Powell's death certificate released by Washington health department
Aaron Vaughn, Web Producer
 
FOX 13 News
4:34 p.m. MST, February 21, 2012

PUYALLUP, Washington—
 
Josh Powell’s death certificate indicates he was cremated last Friday.

The certificate, released Tuesday, does not say where his family took his remains. The cause of death is listed as carbon monoxide poisoning resulting from the house fire he started by allegedly igniting canisters of gasoline.

 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 21, 2012, 07:54:41 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight at 9pm ET:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Pretzer022112.jpg)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 21, 2012, 07:56:53 PM

Cox family exploring solutions to prevent incidents like the murder of their grandsons
Published: Tuesday, Feb. 21 2012 4:14 p.m. MST

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865550552/Cox-family-exploring-solutions-to-prevent-incidents-like-the-murder-of-their-grandsons.html

++++++


My Pledge

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 189:
    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.
 
Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.  I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge. It's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professionals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.


The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)

Mother of missing student in Aruba creates missing persons resource center at DC museum
By Associated Press
10:04 AM CDT, May 28, 2010


WASHINGTON (AP) — The mother of an Alabama teen who disappeared five years ago in Aruba is opening a resource center to help families of missing persons.

Beth Holloway has created the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, named for her daughter who went missing during a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island. The center will be based at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment in downtown Washington.

The nonprofit center aims to provide families with an action plan, examples of missing person posters, contacts, media liaisons and other services to guide families during crises. Officials also say they will provide educational programs on safe traveling and crime prevention and encourage careers in forensic science and law enforcement.

http://www.whnt.com/news/sns-ap-dc--missingpersonscenter,0,5675542.story

The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC


"TRAGEDY CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE"
Beth Holloway, 2010



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 21, 2012, 08:26:38 PM
I have forgotten.
What did Josh do for a living ? ( sounds funny now )
What did Steve do for a living ?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 21, 2012, 08:29:43 PM

NHRC Fundraiser Events
 
"After experiencing the abduction and murder of my son, I know the incredible pain that a loss like this brings, and so I commend Beth for channeling her pain into something positive and creating this foundation in conjunction with the National Museum of Crime and Punishment. It is my sincere hope that Beth and her family will get justice in Natalee's case. I always say that one person can make a difference. This foundation, in Natalee's memory and honor, will help protect other young adults from danger." - John Walsh

Running For Justice, Hosted by Maggie and Amanda

Come to Augusta Preparatory Day School, located in August, Georgia, for a 5k run. 100% of the proceeds go to the NHRC!

When: Saturday, February 25th
Donation: Entrance fee of $20 includes a t-shirt!
Registration Deadline: Saturday, February 11th.

*Beth Holloway will be speaking on Friday, February 24th at 2:30pm
 
REGISTER NOW as space is limited!

If you can't attend the run, but would still like to donate:

Read More:
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC_events




Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 21, 2012, 08:39:35 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight at 9pm ET:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Pretzer022112.jpg)

Click on the link below to listen!

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 21, 2012, 08:39:54 PM
http://**/sltrib/news/53561249-78/cox-powell-case-rule.html.csp
Powell case will be turned into crime book
By melinda rogers
The Salt Lake Tribune
First published 40 minutes ago Updated 1 minute ago


The bizarre twists and turns in the case of missing West Valley City mother Susan Powell have all the makings of a true crime novel.

And now, the case will become just that: Renowned crime writer Ann Rule — who has tackled the stories of serial murderer Ted Bundy and the Green River Killer, Gary Leon Ridgway, during her 35-year career— plans to publish a book on the story of Susan Powell, who disappeared two years ago, and her husband, Josh, who killed himself and his two sons in a fiery blaze earlier this month.

Chuck Cox, Susan Powell’s father, confirmed Tuesday that he and his wife Judy will meet with Rule on Thursday as the Seattle-based author continues work on a project about his daughter and son-in-law.

Cox said it’s unclear whether the family will profit from Rule’s latest venture, but said the writer made a contribution to the Susan Cox Powell Foundation, and any other money entitled to the family would be used to advance the foundation’s mission.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 21, 2012, 08:40:30 PM
Janet - regarding the 5K link etc,  Red says thanks for the heads up and he will be doing a SM front page post promoting the event.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 21, 2012, 09:19:24 PM
I have forgotten.
What did Josh do for a living ? ( sounds funny now )
What did Steve do for a living ?


Kat_Gram, Josh worked as a Database Administrator.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: BabsKats on February 21, 2012, 09:26:27 PM
I have forgotten.
What did Josh do for a living ? ( sounds funny now )
What did Steve do for a living ?


Kat_Gram, Josh worked as a Database Administrator.


Wasn't Steven a furniture salesman, or some such?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 21, 2012, 10:00:40 PM
I have forgotten.
What did Josh do for a living ? ( sounds funny now )
What did Steve do for a living ?


Kat_Gram, Josh worked as a Database Administrator.


He (Josh) was also a Realtor in Utah but that website no longer works:

http://www.joshpowellrealtor.com/about/AboutJoshPowell.aspx


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 21, 2012, 10:07:33 PM
Janet - regarding the 5K link etc,  Red says thanks for the heads up and he will be doing a SM front page post promoting the event.  Thanks!

Thanks Klaas!  Thanks Red!

Janet


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 21, 2012, 10:11:29 PM
Ty  for letting me know what these perverts did for work.
It has always disturbed me about how people operate, put on some sort of pubic face and then have these disturbing and criminal activities going on in their lives and some of the  persons closest to them are clueless. Not just this case, but in ones here and ones that I have interests in closer to home.
Where someone lives as a functioning member of society and not in isolation.
This Powell family system is almost cult like ?? A small cult but the same type of mind control. I watched the John Bradshaw tapes years ago on the family and family systems and
there is something systemic and generational at work here in the Powell family.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 21, 2012, 10:59:57 PM
Ty  for letting me know what these perverts did for work.
It has always disturbed me about how people operate, put on some sort of pubic face and then have these disturbing and criminal activities going on in their lives and some of the  persons closest to them are clueless. Not just this case, but in ones here and ones that I have interests in closer to home.
Where someone lives as a functioning member of society and not in isolation.
This Powell family system is almost cult like ?? A small cult but the same type of mind control. I watched the John Bradshaw tapes years ago on the family and family systems and
there is something systemic and generational at work here in the Powell family.

something like perverted co-dependent incestual sex?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 22, 2012, 09:55:11 PM
Steven Powell was involved in daughter-in-law's disappearance, his family says
Published February 22, 2012


Kirk Graves, who is married to Josh Powell's sister Jennifer, said he believes that Steven Powell at the "very least" knows what happened to his daughter-in-law.

I believe that, at a minimum, Steven knew something about what happened to Susan," he told the website. "At the very least, Josh told him what he did."

Graves believes Steven Powell did not want Susan involved in the raising of his grandchildren.

"She was a threat for his control over the family. She was too strong to have around," he said.

<snipped>

Meanwhile, Susan Powell's father, Chuck Cox, plans to hold a public meeting Thursday to call for a review, both into the investigation of his daughter's disappearance and into possible child-welfare failings that led to the deaths of his grandsons, The Salt Lake Tribune reported.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/22/steven-powell-was-involved-in-daughter-in-laws-disappearance-his-family-says/?test=latestnews=latestnews#ixzz1nAYEVQ7X


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 23, 2012, 10:00:46 AM
Josh Powell poisoned my sister, Susan Cox Powell’s sibling says: report
She claims she was told that husband Josh made dinner for family, which was unusual for him


By Nina Mandell / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Thursday, February 23, 2012, 9:33 AM

 ::snipping2::
Susan Powell's sister said the proof that Josh Powell killed the Utah mom could be in the pudding.

Or whatever else he made for dinner that night.

According to a report in the tabloid the National Enquirer, Denise Cox said that Josh Powell cooked dinner — and must have poisoned her sister before dumping her body in one of the nearby mineshafts.

"Before she went missing, she told me that Josh cooked dinner for the family. I didn't think much of it at the time, but he never did that," she reportedly told the tabloid. "He believed women are inferior and should always be the ones to cook and clean."
 ::snipping2::




http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/josh-powell-poisoned-sister-susan-powell-sibling-report-article-1.1027408?localLinksEnabled=false


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: labubske on February 23, 2012, 10:21:46 AM
One thought that keeps running through my mind is how someone that planned everything and was so detailed and meticulous would leave running fans on a wet spot the day that his wife disappeared...among other things.  I believe that Susan's sister may be correct and he poisoned her and hid her body.  He then made it appear that he was covering something (like blood) and so when they went to test the stain it came back negative...or when they went and looked in the place that he took the boys "camping" she was no where and so on.  Even this was planned, even the comforter with the pink stain was planned. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 23, 2012, 10:35:57 AM
One thought that keeps running through my mind is how someone that planned everything and was so detailed and meticulous would leave running fans on a wet spot the day that his wife disappeared...among other things.  I believe that Susan's sister may be correct and he poisoned her and hid her body.  He then made it appear that he was covering something (like blood) and so when they went to test the stain it came back negative...or when they went and looked in the place that he took the boys "camping" she was no where and so on.  Even this was planned, even the comforter with the pink stain was planned. 

Yep! I knew it when I read an article some moons ago. Susan's friend was saying how that Sunday instead of serving the food family style, where everyone fixes their own plates... Josh insisted on serving.

HELLOOOOOOOO!??!?!?!?!? Josh didn't do for anybody else unless he was working an angle on something --- or something in it for himself.

All of a sudden he has a woody to be Manny the Maitre' D?... get the heck out of here.

On the creep scale, that dude was a 15 out of 10. When Josh is doing the cooking --- it's a good time to call for take-out!


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 23, 2012, 12:09:07 PM
One thought that keeps running through my mind is how someone that planned everything and was so detailed and meticulous would leave running fans on a wet spot the day that his wife disappeared...among other things.  I believe that Susan's sister may be correct and he poisoned her and hid her body.  He then made it appear that he was covering something (like blood) and so when they went to test the stain it came back negative...or when they went and looked in the place that he took the boys "camping" she was no where and so on.  Even this was planned, even the comforter with the pink stain was planned. 

Yep! I knew it when I read an article some moons ago. Susan's friend was saying how that Sunday instead of serving the food family style, where everyone fixes their own plates... Josh insisted on serving.

HELLOOOOOOOO!??!?!?!?!? Josh didn't do for anybody else unless he was working an angle on something --- or something in it for himself.

All of a sudden he has a woody to be Manny the Maitre' D?... get the heck out of here.

On the creep scale, that dude was a 15 out of 10. When Josh is doing the cooking --- it's a good time to call for take-out!

The friend reported that Susan went to bed after dinner that night, after becoming sick.  When did Susan talk to her sister about this?

Maybe the spot on the couch or the carpet was Susan's vomitus, which would contain the poison and her DNA.  Not something you want anyone to find when your wife mysteriously disappears.

It is very odd, that Josh would stop to clean up a "spot" after he cooked dinner, served the dinner, took the boys out after dinner, and in between taking the boys camping. A lot to do in such little time.  Why would he take the time with a spot, if it wasn't important to cover up or divert attention.

I wonder too about how much a 2 year old can remember? Could it be Josh was brainwashing his sons? Or is seeing your Mom in the trunk traumatic enough for a 2yo to remember?



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 23, 2012, 12:51:24 PM
http://www.fox13now.com/news/local/kstu-chuck-cox-chuck-cox-says-no-susan-powell-memorial-site-chosen-20120222,0,6571057.story

Chuck Cox says no Susan Powell memorial site chosen
Aaron Vaughn, Web Producer
FOX 13 News
9:20 p.m. MST, February 22, 2012

 ::snipping2::
The following statement was released from the Susan Cox Powell Foundation on Wednesday:

I would like to thank those in Utah, and Washington State who have stepped forward to volunteer to donate property, materials, time and talents to create a memorial to honor Susan Charlie and Braden Powell, we are thankful for your generosity and enthusiasm.

However, no specific site or artist have been chosen, as was reported yesterday.  In fairness to all those wishing to support a memorial Kiirsi Hellewell, one of Susan’s closest and dearest friends, is forming a committee to study all alternatives including location(s) and art.  We feel it is important to consider all options in order to respectfully honor our loved ones and make the best use of all resources.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Sister on February 23, 2012, 12:59:30 PM
http://www.fox13now.com/news/local/kstu-chuck-cox-chuck-cox-says-no-susan-powell-memorial-site-chosen-20120222,0,6571057.story

Chuck Cox says no Susan Powell memorial site chosen
Aaron Vaughn, Web Producer
FOX 13 News
9:20 p.m. MST, February 22, 2012

 ::snipping2::
The following statement was released from the Susan Cox Powell Foundation on Wednesday:

I would like to thank those in Utah, and Washington State who have stepped forward to volunteer to donate property, materials, time and talents to create a memorial to honor Susan Charlie and Braden Powell, we are thankful for your generosity and enthusiasm.

However, no specific site or artist have been chosen, as was reported yesterday.  In fairness to all those wishing to support a memorial Kiirsi Hellewell, one of Susan’s closest and dearest friends, is forming a committee to study all alternatives including location(s) and art.  We feel it is important to consider all options in order to respectfully honor our loved ones and make the best use of all resources.
 ::snipping2::

How gracious they are.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 23, 2012, 01:18:28 PM
http://www.fox13now.com/news/local/kstu-chuck-cox-chuck-cox-says-no-susan-powell-memorial-site-chosen-20120222,0,6571057.story

Chuck Cox says no Susan Powell memorial site chosen
Aaron Vaughn, Web Producer
FOX 13 News
9:20 p.m. MST, February 22, 2012

 ::snipping2::
The following statement was released from the Susan Cox Powell Foundation on Wednesday:

I would like to thank those in Utah, and Washington State who have stepped forward to volunteer to donate property, materials, time and talents to create a memorial to honor Susan Charlie and Braden Powell, we are thankful for your generosity and enthusiasm.

However, no specific site or artist have been chosen, as was reported yesterday.  In fairness to all those wishing to support a memorial Kiirsi Hellewell, one of Susan’s closest and dearest friends, is forming a committee to study all alternatives including location(s) and art.  We feel it is important to consider all options in order to respectfully honor our loved ones and make the best use of all resources.
 ::snipping2::

How gracious they are.

 ::rhino:: 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 23, 2012, 03:59:51 PM
While I appreciate art and creativity, I personally would use the resources in a more practical manner.  Why not establish a home for abused women and children so that when faced with a situation like Susan found herself in, they would have a place to run to and someone to counsel them and help them get away from the monster and reconnect with family.

My thoughts only.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 23, 2012, 09:28:38 PM
http://www.auburn-reporter.com/news/140239863.html

Sen. Roach, Powell grandparents question Child Protective Services
February 23, 2012 · 5:22 PM

 ::snipping2::
Cox and his wife emphasized the need for grandparents to be given the same level of credence as a biological parent, pointing out that the boy's father was able to say anything during the custody process without having to back it up with proof.
 ::snipping2::
On Wednesday, Roach filed several bills to address the concerns in the Powell case and will be introducing legislation similar to what she offered in 2010, which gives grandparents standing in dependency proceedings.

Roach's new bills include:

• Senate Bill 6602 – creating child welfare transparency committees within each of the six DSHS regions. The four legislative caucuses, the attorney general and governor would appoint the six members.

• Senate Bill 6603 – preventing a child custody award to someone considered a suspect in an active murder investigation.

• Senate Bill 6604 – establishing what is to be contained in background information for guardians ad litem. The list includes a statement of financial affairs, number of years of experience, level of formal education and founded allegations of child abuse.

• Senate Bill 6605 – requiring Child Protective Services workers to be licensed social workers and bonded.

• Senate Bill 6606 – breaking the Department of Social and Health Services into the Department of Children and Family Services, Department of Public Welfare, and Department of Medical and Rehabilitative Services.

Roach announced at the hearing that Sen. Randi Becker, R-2nd District and Sen. Jim Kastama, D-Puyallup, have been appointed by DSHS to the Child Fatality Review Team. The complete case records will be provided to team members for their review and study.

The department will make the Child Fatality Review report available upon completion to appropriate committees of the Legislature and on the DSHS website.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 23, 2012, 09:39:22 PM
http://kuow.org/northwestnews.php?storyID=147313739

New Task Force Will Investigate Powell Deaths
Azusa Uchikura
02/23/2012

 ::snipping2::
OLYMPIA, Wash. – It’s been two weeks since Josh Powell allegedly killed himself and his two children in a house fire near Graham, Washington. A new task force announced Thursday will investigate the deaths. Meanwhile, the grandparents of the two Powell boys are pushing for changes in Child Protective Services.

It’s standard practice in Washington that a Fatality Review Team investigates when a child dies because of suspected abuse or neglect. Its members include police officers, attorneys and legislators among others. They’ll review the case and report any problems.
 ::snipping2::
“And we have, all along, voiced many times that we felt something was going to happen," Cox said. "But I knew I had to follow the law because that’s the right thing to do.”

She and her husband Chuck are working with Republican state Senator Pam Roach to introduce changes at Child Protective Services. Meanwhile, a spokesman for the task force expects the report to be done before a six-month deadline.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 24, 2012, 12:10:48 AM
I think they had to get rid of Susan because :
a.) she came from a normal family 
b.) she wasn't going to let her boys be harmed in any way by the Powell cult
c.) she knew the difference between normal and Powell
Once she was gone Steve, Josh and the rest of them had almost unlimited access to the boys. Her parents must have been very strong people to continue to fight for the boys and try to get the boys back.   


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 24, 2012, 12:19:34 AM
While I appreciate art and creativity, I personally would use the resources in a more practical manner.  Why not establish a home for abused women and children so that when faced with a situation like Susan found herself in, they would have a place to run to and someone to counsel them and help them get away from the monster and reconnect with family.

My thoughts only.
Both are good ideas. If there was some public art persons walking by might give some thought to their own situations or think about their own families. Or abused women
in general.
I don't think Susan realized what she was up against and how deep it went in Josh. I've read maybe 25 % of the reports recently released and can't read any more of it. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 24, 2012, 09:41:39 AM
I think they had to get rid of Susan because :
a.) she came from a normal family 
b.) she wasn't going to let her boys be harmed in any way by the Powell cult
c.) she knew the difference between normal and Powell
Once she was gone Steve, Josh and the rest of them had almost unlimited access to the boys. Her parents must have been very strong people to continue to fight for the boys and try to get the boys back.   

Can I add to your list that she wouldn't give in to Steve and be the family 'wife'.  I really think that is what Steve (if not Josh) had in mind.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 26, 2012, 11:31:55 AM
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19354800&autostart=y
Susan Powell memorial may not end up in Magna after all
By Alex Cabrero
February 24, 2012

AGNA — The views are amazing, and it certainly is peaceful, but the Pleasant Green Cemetery in Magna just might not be the place for a Susan Powell memorial.

The announcement of a planned statue of the missing West Valley mother and her two sons was made at a West Valley City Council meeting Tuesday. Now, her family and friends are saying they knew nothing about it.


"It was very kind of them to offer, and we are considering that location among many others," Kiirsi Hellewell, Susan Powell's best friend, said Friday.
Hellewell said she first heard about the memorial earlier this week. She's been involved in almost every aspect of Susan Powell's story.

"(The announcement) was a bit premature," Hellewell said.

She wants everyone to know nothing has officially been decided. It's a decision Susan Powell's parents and a committee want to make together.

"That's one thing we would like to emphasize, is that absolutely nothing has been decided at this point," Hellewell said.

Hiram Bertoch, president of the Pleasant Green Cemetery, said he only donated the land because he wanted a peaceful place for people to reflect.
 ::snipping2::
Video at Link

(Interesting comments, imo)


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Sister on February 26, 2012, 09:17:19 PM
So generous of Mr. Bertoch.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 26, 2012, 11:26:05 PM
I'd love to know if there is anything going on behind the scenes with Steve.  Are prosecutors and LE working together to try to get him to tell them where Susan's body is in exchange for a lighter sentence in the child porn crimes? 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 27, 2012, 11:20:53 AM
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/crime-writer-ann-rule-plans-to-write-susan-cox-powell-s-story
Crime writer Ann Rule plans to write Susan Cox Powell’s story
Isabelle Zehnder
February 25, 2012

PUYALLUP, Washington (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) -- Crime writer Ann Rule announced last week that she will be publishing a book about Susan Cox Powell, the young West Valley City, Utah mom who went missing in Dec. 2009.
 ::snipping2::
Susan’s father, Chuck Cox, wants to make it clear that he and his wife do not wish to profit from the book. Rule made a contribution to the Susan Cox Powell Foundation, and any other money entitled to the family will be used to advance the foundation’s mission, Chuck said.
 ::snipping2::
Chuck says he is in support of the book because he believes it will bring attention to his daughter’s case. He wants people to know what went wrong during the investigation into Susan’s disappearance as well as shortcomings by Washington child welfare agencies. He believes those shortcomings include emphasis on family reunification over the safety of children.
More...


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 27, 2012, 11:33:41 AM
I'd love to know if there is anything going on behind the scenes with Steve.  Are prosecutors and LE working together to try to get him to tell them where Susan's body is in exchange for a lighter sentence in the child porn crimes? 

I have been reading a book recently about the Spanish Inquisition.  Those dudes knew how to make someone talk without shedding a drop of blood or even touching the "family jewels".  Ah to have Steve subjected to just the first step of the process. 

 ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 27, 2012, 12:25:56 PM
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/crime-writer-ann-rule-plans-to-write-susan-cox-powell-s-story
Crime writer Ann Rule plans to write Susan Cox Powell’s story
Isabelle Zehnder
February 25, 2012

PUYALLUP, Washington (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) -- Crime writer Ann Rule announced last week that she will be publishing a book about Susan Cox Powell, the young West Valley City, Utah mom who went missing in Dec. 2009.
 ::snipping2::
Susan’s father, Chuck Cox, wants to make it clear that he and his wife do not wish to profit from the book. Rule made a contribution to the Susan Cox Powell Foundation, and any other money entitled to the family will be used to advance the foundation’s mission, Chuck said.
 ::snipping2::
Chuck says he is in support of the book because he believes it will bring attention to his daughter’s case. He wants people to know what went wrong during the investigation into Susan’s disappearance as well as shortcomings by Washington child welfare agencies. He believes those shortcomings include emphasis on family reunification over the safety of children.
More...

bbm

Go Chuck go! We're with you 100%!

~Nick and Nora


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on February 27, 2012, 12:31:50 PM
So generous of Mr. Bertoch.

 ::rhino::

Sounds like a wonderful community of big hearted people.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 27, 2012, 12:36:53 PM
I'd love to know if there is anything going on behind the scenes with Steve.  Are prosecutors and LE working together to try to get him to tell them where Susan's body is in exchange for a lighter sentence in the child porn crimes? 

I have been reading a book recently about the Spanish Inquisition.  Those dudes knew how to make someone talk without shedding a drop of blood or even touching the "family jewels".  Ah to have Steve subjected to just the first step of the process. 

 ::CowboySmiley::
I'm all for whatever it takes. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 27, 2012, 07:15:18 PM
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/crime-writer-ann-rule-plans-to-write-susan-cox-powell-s-story
Crime writer Ann Rule plans to write Susan Cox Powell’s story
Isabelle Zehnder
February 25, 2012

PUYALLUP, Washington (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) -- Crime writer Ann Rule announced last week that she will be publishing a book about Susan Cox Powell, the young West Valley City, Utah mom who went missing in Dec. 2009.
 ::snipping2::
Susan’s father, Chuck Cox, wants to make it clear that he and his wife do not wish to profit from the book. Rule made a contribution to the Susan Cox Powell Foundation, and any other money entitled to the family will be used to advance the foundation’s mission, Chuck said.
 ::snipping2::
Chuck says he is in support of the book because he believes it will bring attention to his daughter’s case. He wants people to know what went wrong during the investigation into Susan’s disappearance as well as shortcomings by Washington child welfare agencies. He believes those shortcomings include emphasis on family reunification over the safety of children.
More...

bbm

Go Chuck go! We're with you 100%!

~Nick and Nora

If anyone can do it and do it right---Ann can.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: ISpy on February 27, 2012, 08:35:11 PM
Steven Powell is foolish in taking the 5th.  In his arrogance, he thinks he's "protected", but fellow prisoners aren't going to see it that way. His offenses don't warrant solitary confinement for his own protection either. He's up a creek without a canoe, much less a paddle. In the court of jailhouse justice, he's likely already been pronounced guilty and sentenced to death.  His best bet is to give up Susan's remains or the location, in exchange for a lighter sentence. General population inmates serving life without parole have little to lose. It would be considered a notch in someone's belt to "take care of Steven Powell".  Steven thinks he's so smart, playing his little game. In reality, he's likely signing his own death warrant. Hopefully, he'll be put in a cell with a number of inmates who will prevent any and all suicide attempts. I wouldn't want him to take the easy way out, leaving Susan out there, like his cowardly offspring.  Just my own opinions.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 28, 2012, 08:34:06 AM
because JP was so self centered,among other perverse personality
traits,and i always believed,he never went as far as he said he
did,and the sighting in sandy utah,seems to prove that,JP could
not have gone to tooele camp and kill,bury,or hide in a mine and
show up for BKF at 6am
anyway ive been looking and found this,a 98 and a 08 map of(large
mines and permits and plants in utah),there is a mine above utah
lake named powell,the 98 map says no letter after name so it was
active in 98,the 08 map shows the mine inactive,the mine was mined
for precious metals,ive not found it on a map yet,and a mine named
old susan mine

1998
http://utah.ptfs.com/Data/Library2/publications/lr000128.pdf
2008
http://geology.utah.gov/online/ofr/ofr-515.pdf

old susan mine
http://itouchmap.com/?d=1430991&s=UT&f=mine

drive to west valley from mine
76.5 mi (about 1 hour 45 mins)
http://itouchmap.com/?
t=west+valley+utah&l=en&submit=Get+Directions&st=l2&m=y&f=Old+Susan+Mine&ml
f=39.8580057&mgf=-112.1118891 (http://itouchmap.com/?
t=west+valley+utah&l=en&submit=Get+Directions&st=l2&m=y&f=Old+Susan+Mine&ml
f=39.8580057&mgf=-112.1118891)

WV to old susan mine
http://tinyurl.com/7f6cxn3

close up of mine
http://tinyurl.com/7ydgm8v

more mines
http://itouchmap.com/?f=mine&s=UT&a1=&start=1


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Sister on February 28, 2012, 08:34:11 AM
Steven Powell is foolish in taking the 5th.  In his arrogance, he thinks he's "protected", but fellow prisoners aren't going to see it that way. His offenses don't warrant solitary confinement for his own protection either. He's up a creek without a canoe, much less a paddle. In the court of jailhouse justice, he's likely already been pronounced guilty and sentenced to death.  His best bet is to give up Susan's remains or the location, in exchange for a lighter sentence. General population inmates serving life without parole have little to lose. It would be considered a notch in someone's belt to "take care of Steven Powell".  Steven thinks he's so smart, playing his little game. In reality, he's likely signing his own death warrant. Hopefully, he'll be put in a cell with a number of inmates who will prevent any and all suicide attempts. I wouldn't want him to take the easy way out, leaving Susan out there, like his cowardly offspring.  Just my own opinions.
::rhino::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: flutter1 on February 28, 2012, 09:45:57 AM
because JP was so self centered,among other perverse personality
traits,and i always believed,he never went as far as he said he
did,and the sighting in sandy utah,seems to prove that,JP could
not have gone to tooele camp and kill,bury,or hide in a mine and
show up for BKF at 6am
anyway ive been looking and found this,a 98 and a 08 map of(large
mines and permits and plants in utah),there is a mine above utah
lake named powell,the 98 map says no letter after name so it was
active in 98,the 08 map shows the mine inactive,the mine was mined
for precious metals,ive not found it on a map yet,and a mine named
old susan mine

1998
http://utah.ptfs.com/Data/Library2/publications/lr000128.pdf
2008
http://geology.utah.gov/online/ofr/ofr-515.pdf

old susan mine
http://itouchmap.com/?d=1430991&s=UT&f=mine

drive to west valley from mine
76.5 mi (about 1 hour 45 mins)
http://itouchmap.com/?
t=west+valley+utah&l=en&submit=Get+Directions&st=l2&m=y&f=Old+Susan+Mine&ml
f=39.8580057&mgf=-112.1118891 (http://itouchmap.com/?
t=west+valley+utah&l=en&submit=Get+Directions&st=l2&m=y&f=Old+Susan+Mine&ml
f=39.8580057&mgf=-112.1118891)

WV to old susan mine
http://tinyurl.com/7f6cxn3

close up of mine
http://tinyurl.com/7ydgm8v

more mines
http://itouchmap.com/?f=mine&s=UT&a1=&start=1

Interesting.  I wonder if those places have been searched.  I agree with you that maggot man probably didn't go where he told LE.  He lied about everything else, why would he be honest on this point.   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 28, 2012, 09:50:42 AM
Steven Powell is foolish in taking the 5th.  In his arrogance, he thinks he's "protected", but fellow prisoners aren't going to see it that way. His offenses don't warrant solitary confinement for his own protection either. He's up a creek without a canoe, much less a paddle. In the court of jailhouse justice, he's likely already been pronounced guilty and sentenced to death.  His best bet is to give up Susan's remains or the location, in exchange for a lighter sentence. General population inmates serving life without parole have little to lose. It would be considered a notch in someone's belt to "take care of Steven Powell".  Steven thinks he's so smart, playing his little game. In reality, he's likely signing his own death warrant. Hopefully, he'll be put in a cell with a number of inmates who will prevent any and all suicide attempts. I wouldn't want him to take the easy way out, leaving Susan out there, like his cowardly offspring.  Just my own opinions.

ITA


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 28, 2012, 09:54:26 AM
Steven Powell is foolish in taking the 5th.  In his arrogance, he thinks he's "protected", but fellow prisoners aren't going to see it that way. His offenses don't warrant solitary confinement for his own protection either. He's up a creek without a canoe, much less a paddle. In the court of jailhouse justice, he's likely already been pronounced guilty and sentenced to death.  His best bet is to give up Susan's remains or the location, in exchange for a lighter sentence. General population inmates serving life without parole have little to lose. It would be considered a notch in someone's belt to "take care of Steven Powell".  Steven thinks he's so smart, playing his little game. In reality, he's likely signing his own death warrant. Hopefully, he'll be put in a cell with a number of inmates who will prevent any and all suicide attempts. I wouldn't want him to take the easy way out, leaving Susan out there, like his cowardly offspring.  Just my own opinions.

ITA
I don't want any inmate taking him out before he tells what he knows about Susan's whereabouts.  Let;s hope that the inmates can get the truth out of him.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 28, 2012, 09:54:36 AM

anyway ive been looking and found this,a 98 and a 08 map of(large
mines and permits and plants in utah),there is a mine above utah
lake named powell,the 98 map says no letter after name so it was
active in 98,the 08 map shows the mine inactive,the mine was mined
for precious metals,ive not found it on a map yet,and a mine named
old susan mine

JP may have been arrogant enough to have placed Susan in either of these mines!

Have you turned your research over to authorities?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on February 28, 2012, 03:28:15 PM
Quote
jamcakes
JP may have been arrogant enough to have placed Susan in either of these mines!
Have you turned your research over to authorities?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12009.msg1511320#msg1511320

i did,not sure if LE will look,who knows,they didnt give the needed info, quick enough to
  prevent the boys death,i stll cant get over them,keeping that info,even after SP was
busted. i think SP helped josh with susan too,JP had 2 small boys,and maybe a dead susan
at the time,seems some help was needed,thats prob why SP,pleads the 5th


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: Babybear on February 28, 2012, 03:59:35 PM
because JP was so self centered,among other perverse personality
traits,and i always believed,he never went as far as he said he
did,and the sighting in sandy utah,seems to prove that,JP could
not have gone to tooele camp and kill,bury,or hide in a mine and
show up for BKF at 6am
anyway ive been looking and found this,a 98 and a 08 map of(large
mines and permits and plants in utah),there is a mine above utah
lake named powell,the 98 map says no letter after name so it was
active in 98,the 08 map shows the mine inactive,the mine was mined
for precious metals,ive not found it on a map yet,and a mine named
old susan mine

1998
http://utah.ptfs.com/Data/Library2/publications/lr000128.pdf
2008
http://geology.utah.gov/online/ofr/ofr-515.pdf

old susan mine
http://itouchmap.com/?d=1430991&s=UT&f=mine

drive to west valley from mine
76.5 mi (about 1 hour 45 mins)
http://itouchmap.com/?
t=west+valley+utah&l=en&submit=Get+Directions&st=l2&m=y&f=Old+Susan+Mine&ml
f=39.8580057&mgf=-112.1118891 (http://itouchmap.com/?
t=west+valley+utah&l=en&submit=Get+Directions&st=l2&m=y&f=Old+Susan+Mine&ml
f=39.8580057&mgf=-112.1118891)

WV to old susan mine
http://tinyurl.com/7f6cxn3

close up of mine
http://tinyurl.com/7ydgm8v

more mines
http://itouchmap.com/?f=mine&s=UT&a1=&start=1

CW--That's really good research.  JP is perverse enough to place Susan in the "Old Susan" mine or the "Powell" mine.  I hope LE is as sharp as you are and has searched both locations.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 29, 2012, 09:48:38 AM
Quote
jamcakes
JP may have been arrogant enough to have placed Susan in either of these mines!
Have you turned your research over to authorities?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12009.msg1511320#msg1511320

i did,not sure if LE will look,who knows,they didnt give the needed info, quick enough to
  prevent the boys death,i stll cant get over them,keeping that info,even after SP was
busted. i think SP helped josh with susan too,JP had 2 small boys,and maybe a dead susan
at the time,seems some help was needed,thats prob why SP,pleads the 5th

I'm glad you gave the info to LE.  They'd be remiss not to follow up in it.

What about also sending the info to the Cox family?  Maybe they could pressure a search or have it searched on their own.  I wonder if TES would be interested in this info?


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 29, 2012, 12:15:57 PM
This old NG transcript about the mine search is interesting to reread in light of what we now know.....

Utah Cops and Volunteers Search Abandoned Mine Shaft for Susan Powell

Aired October 7, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Utah, the mystery surrounding the sudden disappearance of a gorgeous young stockbroker, mother of two, 28-year-old Susan Powell, last seen when Daddy suddenly announces, midnight on a Sunday night, he`s taking her boys, ages 4 and 2, camping in the snow. Repeat, camping, midnight, freezing temperatures. Then Daddy says when they get back home Mommy`s gone, vanished.

Bombshell tonight. The search for Susan Powell back on after explosive reports a 4-year-old boy says, quote, "Mommy`s in the mine, looking for crystals." At this hour, as we go to air, search teams scouring abandoned mine shafts near the family home, as we learn husband/Daddy was obsessed with TV crime shows. He informs a key witness that a deep, dark mine shaft is the single best place to dispose of a body. Is the body of 28-year-old mother of two Susan Powell waiting to be discovered, buried deep in one of the thousands of abandoned mines in just a few miles radius of the family`s Utah home?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A search.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A search.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Search teams have been scouring.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An abandoned mine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twelve-hundred-foot drop.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Searching for a missing mom of two.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Susan Cox Powell.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The 28-year-old Powell.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Susan Powell simply disappeared without a trace.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The husband said.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Josh`s story.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He and their two kids.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Camping.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were on a camping trip.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is that where you were camping?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say the case is very suspicious.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) suspicious.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t do anything. I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know where she`s at.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We just miss her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you have any idea what happened to her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

 ::snipping2::


GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Live, Utah, the search for mother of two 28- year-old Susan Powell back on after explosive reports her 4-year-old little boy says, quote, "Mommy`s in the mine, looking for crystals."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you have any idea what happened to her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She just went to bed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Searches for Susan Powell now in high gear.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) close to West Valley.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Volunteer searchers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Carefully inspecting old silver mines.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say it`s a likely place where Susan Cox Powell may be.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Crawling through smaller tunnels, doing small rapels.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twelve hundred feet down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve got some other shafts we need to search.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twenty-eight-year-old Powell simply disappeared from her home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the middle of the night.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A lot of times, I just go camping with my boys overnight.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) confused.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "The National Enquirer" reports one of Susan Powell`s young sons allegedly blurted out, Mommy is in the mine, looking for crystals.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My boys love her. They`ve been doing good, as far as I can tell.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Reports also reveal Josh Powell allegedly told a friend.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The best place to dispose of a body would be a deep, dark mine shaft.

 ::snipping2:: ::snipping2::


But right now, we are headed back, headed back to Susan Powell. Is there finally a break in the case? We all know that she is reported missing when her husband gets back from a, let me say, impromptu camping trip at midnight, in freezing temperatures. He says he gets home and she`s gone.

Now we learn a neighbor, a key witness in this case, says the husband is a crime story freak and has often discussed the best way to hide a dead body. Now the 4-year-old little boy, in an explosive revelation, says that, "Mommy is in the mine, looking for crystals."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The 28-year-old Powell simply disappeared from her home, leaving her cell phone and car behind.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While there are reports the couple was in marriage counseling, family and friends say Susan would never leave her children. Police executed a search warrant on the home and say they`re conducting forensic testing on items taken during the alleged search.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight out to the calls. And first to Jim Kirkwood with KTKK News Radio. What can you tell me, Jim?

JIM KIRKWOOD, KTKK NEWS RADIO (VIA TELEPHONE): Nancy, you`re quite right. This is a bombshell. The police have been holding this one close to their vest, and finally it`s leaked out. There is a group here, the Mojave Group, that has been searching some of these caves. But some of these things are really deep, Nancy, I mean, really -- half a mile or more.

GRACE: OK, how many -- you`re seeing video -- well, you were seeing video of the mine shafts in which searchers are looking right now. This is after the 4-year-old little boy announces, "Mommy is in the mine, looking for crystals. We are just learning about this. The search is ongoing right now, search teams looking at mines within a few miles radius of Susan Cox Powell`s home.

To you, Jim Kirkwood, joining us, KTKK News Radio out of Salt Lake City. When did the little boy say this?

KIRKWOOD: Apparently, he said it right after everything happened. December 7th was when she went missing last year, so about 10 months ago. And he said it to police, but they -- they`ve done some searching, but I don`t think they have the budget to really look like they should.

GRACE: Everyone, right now, search teams going down in mines a few miles radius from Susan Cox Powell`s home. This is after her 4-year-old little boy announces, "Mommy is in the mine, looking for crystals." Is her body waiting to be discovered buried deep in one of these mines?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New developments in the Susan Powell investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twenty-eight-year-old Powell.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Susan.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Susan.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Simply disappeared from her home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nowhere to be found.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Without a trace.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New searches take place deep inside Utah mines.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So far, the group has looked inside abandoned mines near Dugway and Eureka.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re close to West Valley. They`re centered around the area of Susan, where she went missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Reports also reveal Josh Powell.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We just miss her and we want her back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Allegedly told a friend at a 2008 Christmas party.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The best place to dispose of a body would be a deep, dark mine shaft.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The latest mine searches using high-tech video.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ve been trying to figure out what I can do, so I don`t sit idle.

CHUCK COX, MISSING WOMAN`S FATHER: It`s also frustrating that he`s not talking with the police and helping them find our daughter. I do believe he knows something he`s not telling us. And at this point, the -- the pointing the fingers at Joshua -- I don`t want to do that. At the same time, the person -- all his actions are inconsistent with somebody who cares about his wife, and so it gives me great pause.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: At this hour, search teams are scouring mines, mine shafts in the radius surrounding Susan Cox Powell`s home. This after her 4-year-old little boy says, "Mommy is in the mine, looking for crystals." Where did he get that?

Joining me right now and taking your calls, a very special guest, Chuck Cox. This is Susan Cox Powell`s father. He`s joining us from Puwalla (ph), Washington. Mr. Cox, thank you for being with us. What do you make of the mine searches?

COX (via telephone): Thank you, Nancy. Well, I`m glad they`re being done. I know the police have searched some mines, but I am glad people are willing to take the extra effort and take a really good look down the mines.

GRACE: Mr. Cox, is it true that the father, Joshua Powell, is not letting you see the children?

COX: Well, he`s asked that we only contact him via e-mail. We`ve requested to see the children. He hasn`t responded to our e-mail. The last time we saw them was on April 10th.

GRACE: That`s quite a while. Where are they living now?

COX: They`re still living with Joshua Powell, and I believe he`s living with his father.


GRACE: What about the home that he shared with Susan? Has it been sold?

COX: I don`t know.

GRACE: Do you have any contact with the little boys at all? Do you get to talk to them on the phone?

COX: No, not at all. They`ve asked that we don`t call the house and we don`t come by.

GRACE: Why?

COX: I don`t know. All I can think is, he doesn`t want us talking to them and he doesn`t want to face us or talk to us about anything.

GRACE: OK. Unleash the lawyers. We are taking your calls live. With me, Eleanor Odom, felony prosecutor, death penalty-qualified, Mickey Sherman, criminal defense attorney, author of "How Can You Defend Those People?" and Peter Odom, defense attorney, Atlanta.

Weigh in, Eleanor.

ELEANOR ODOM, PROSECUTOR: Well, Nancy, it`s really awful that the grandparents can`t see their child. They could go to superior court and ask for some visitation, and at the very least, have supervised visitation through the Department of Family and Children`s Services.

GRACE: OK, Peter Odom, get this picture. A Christmas party. Think about the Christmas parties that have you every year, everybody standing around, having punch, little cheese balls. And suddenly, Joshua Powell starts talking about the best place to hide a dead body, down a mine shaft. Ever heard that brought up at a Christmas party? Have you, Peter?

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, I haven`t, Nancy. But let`s not condemn this man. If the police had enough evidence to arrest him for anything, they would have arrested him.

GRACE: Now, that`s not what I asked you!

PETER ODOM: Now, I`ll grant you...

GRACE: That`s not what I asked you!

PETER ODOM: And I answered your question. The answer is no. Now, this man`s actions are suspicious, I grant you that. But there`s not enough to arrest him for anything. And he has...

GRACE: Not yet.

PETER ODOM: ... no obligation to talk to the police.

GRACE: Mickey Sherman, a crime show aficionado spouting off where to hide a dead body -- you know, Mickey, in all the times you and I have ever discussed murder cases, crime cases on and off the air -- and it`s been more than I can count -- I don`t think there`s one time we sat down and said, Let`s plan the perfect murder and the perfect disposal of a body. That just doesn`t come up in normal conversation.

MICKEY SHERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It depends on how much alcohol we`ve had, frankly. But you know...

GRACE: I`m not kidding, Mickey!

SHERMAN: Well, you know, the problem is, talking about crime show stuff is not enough for an arrest warrant, and nor is the 4-year-old`s comment. It makes it a good starting point, but it doesn`t make you guilty.

 ::snipping2::

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Josh Powell says he took his two young sons camping in the middle of the night in freezing temperatures.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just go camping with my boys, you know, not anything big. I just go overnight.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When they left the house, that`s the last time Powell says he saw his wife, Susan.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t do anything.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search for Susan Powell is now in high gear.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know where she`s at.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Volunteer searchers carefully inspecting old silver mines. Police have yet to find Susan.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Out to Clark Goldband, our producer on the story. What more can you tell me about this mine search?

CLARK GOLDBAND, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, the two mines that we know that have been searched are silver mines. They`re about 20 to 50 miles away from where Powell went camping. We know they dropped a camera down these mine shafts, over 1,000 feet, searching for any clues that could potentially point to where Susan may be.

GRACE: Back to Jim Kirkwood, KTKK News Radio, joining us out of Salt Lake. Jim, at the time she went missing, did cops use canine, cadaver, bloodhound dogs? What, if anything, did they find?

KIRKWOOD: What they did was that -- if you remember, the carpet was up. It was wet, and they had fans on it and they took samples. They were looking for blood, arterial blood, that sort of thing. And they`ve never released what they found. Obviously, they didn`t find anything because they haven`t been able to proceed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Speculation comes from Josh`s story that he took his 2 and 4-year-old sons camping in the freezing cold of the West Deserts on the night Susan disappeared from their West Valley home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We just miss her, and we want her back and -- and...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Do you have any idea what happened to her?

JOSHUA POWELL, HUSBAND OF MISSING MOM SUSAN COX-POWELL: No. Thank you. Any help to try to find her would be appreciated.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: West Valley Police say Joshua Powell remains their only person of interest in Susan`s disappearance.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Speculation comes from Josh`s story that he took his 2- and 4-year-old sons camping in the freezing cold of the west deserts on the night Susan disappeared from their West Valley home.

POWELL: A lot of times I just go camping with my boys. (INAUDIBLE), I just go overnight. And we do S`mores and stuff like that.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: I know there was quite a huge effort out in the west desert looking for any sign of her. Is that where you were camping?

POWELL: I just have to go get my boys.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: It was at the vigil, Susan and Josh`s hometown of (INAUDIBLE) that Josh arrived with one of their sons. Friends surprised he`d leave Utah during the investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would like to hear a credible story about -- I`d like to know the facts, what happened. What does he know, what does he not know. And if it clears him, that`s great because now we can get on to the main focus, which is where`s my daughter at?

POWELL: I didn`t do anything. I mean, I -- I don`t know where she`s at. I don`t even know where to start looking.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: As we go to air, tonight searchers scouring mine shafts within a radius, a small radius around the family`s home. Why? Because one of the little boys, the 4-year-old, says mommy is in the mine looking for crystals.

This explosive revelation has set searchers back into motion for Susan Cox-Powell, a gorgeous 28-year-old stockbroker, the mother of two.

Out to Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "Dealbreakers."

Dr. Bethany, what does it mean that a child would say this? So far nothing that the twins -- my twins have said, who are almost 3, nothing that they say comes out of left field. There`s always a shred of a story, something they`ve seen, something they heard behind everything they say.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": It tells me that this little boy`s dad Josh is trying to explain where mommy went after she died. It`s like the wife killer`s version of explaining death and heaven.

It seems like the dad was trying to explain his version of mommy`s somewhere else, she`s in heaven, she`s on a cloud. She`s overlooking you. When you see the stars twinkle, think about mommy.

Only because this dad had had homicidal ideation for so long, and we see it in his comments about the mine shaft, his love of crime shows, his love of camping, that he had thought about this for so long that it slipped out in the explanation to the child.

And I`m actually surprised given that they were in marital therapy that the therapist did not pick up on this homicidal ideation and issue a terror soft warning to the victim. Because as therapists we are required to do that. If a patient has homicidal ideation and there`s a reasonable threat, we must contact the police and the victim and issue a warning.

GRACE: To Susan`s father joining us tonight, Chuck Cox. Were they having marital problems? What do we know now?

CHUCK COX, FATHER OF MISSING MOM SUSAN POWELL: What we know now is confirmed basically that yes, they were having marital problems, but to everyone that I talked to, the last few months or so, or last month or so, it appeared that things were going to get better.

GRACE: Why?


COX: Well, because apparently at -- Susan had been trying very hard. And what we had heard that all of a sudden Josh had made some motions towards reconciliation or towards, OK, I want to be the husband you want me to be.

He started coming back to church. He started interacting more with Susan, but a little bit but it wasn`t -- right now in the wake of everything, we`re not sure that was just -- it wasn`t just a show.

GRACE: What were their problems, Mr. Cox? What were they fighting over?

COX: Well, I know they had financial difficulties for a while. That was an issue. My daughter could work any job and take care of herself financially. She was basically providing the financial support for the family.


And Josh just wanted to do what he wanted to do, and then towards even raising the kids, you know, when do they go to bed? When -- how late can they stay up and taking care of them, because all I ever observed, my daughter was the only one that provided care for the children. And with absolutely no help from her husband.

So if he had made any motion toward, you know, helping, she would have welcomed that with open arms and considered that he was going to make a change in the way the relationship was.

GRACE: Mr. Cox, when you say Josh, you`re referring to Josh Powell.

COX: Yes.


GRACE: He has not been charged in this case as of now. When you said Josh did -- he would do what he wanted to do, what did he want to do all the time?

COX: Just working on his computer most of the time, or whatever his latest idea was. I mean, he would --

GRACE: What do you mean by that, his latest idea?

COX: Well, he would get involved in things. He would be interested in building a computer or maybe if he was going to -- when they were going to purchase a car, he would do a lot of research and work on that.


One time he wanted to be an accountant and he was on that. And he likes taking pictures, and all of a sudden he was into that. So whatever his current thing he was interested in, that`s what he would focus on.

GRACE: Mr. Cox, can I ask you something? Was he making any money at any of this?

COX: Well, the only thing I know of that was a possibility he was doing fairly well, I thought, coming along as a real estate agent for a while. And then recently he did get the job through a temporary agency working -- maintaining a Web site, and then evidently he got hired on by a trucking firm there in Utah full time, maintaining their Web site. So -- and then I understand he was actually -- had a potential of a stable job, an income.


GRACE: Yes, because all this being on the computer all day and night, unless you`re bringing home a paycheck, forget about it.

 ::snipping2::


As a matter of fact, I`ve got Susan`s father with me.

Mr. Cox, has he ever divulged exactly where he went camping?

COX: No, he hasn`t. Not at all.

GRACE: Well, see, right there, that doesn`t make any sense. And isn`t it true, Mr. Cox, that you have been back to the area and Boy Scouts have stated they tried to go camping in that area that very weekend they could not go because of the weather?

COX: Yes, we have -- I happened to be out there at the site where allegedly he went, the Pony Express trail site -- campsite. And while we were there, it so happened some Boy Scouts came along from another trip, and they said, yes, we were out there that night and it was so cold that you couldn`t -- they had to -- their milk and things, they had to sleep with them in their sleeping bags, and in the morning before they could pour the milk, it was frozen again inside.


It was the worst night they`d ever seen. And they just gave up and came home early. And so -- and they had not seen anybody out there, and they were out there supposedly the night before he -- on Saturday night. And --

GRACE: Tonight, where is Susan Powell? Her 4-year-old little boy announces mommy is in the mine looking for crystals. This touches off a new search for the 28-year-old stockbroker mother of two.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Utah authorities continue to investigate the disappearance of 28-year-old, mom of two, Susan Powell who alleged vanished from her own home. Susan`s husband Joshua Powell said he decided to take the couple`s two young sons on a late-night camping trip. Something he says they do frequently.

Powell`s sister not hearing from the family for almost two days calls to report the whole family missing.

 ::snipping2::

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1010/07/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 29, 2012, 04:56:17 PM
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/27/2044363/call-taker-in-josh-powell-case.html?storylink=mrc
Call-taker in Powell case praised, rebuked in the past
Stacia Glenn/Staff Writer
Posted February 28, 2012, Updated February 29, 2012

Everybody has their off days, and David Lovrak has had his.

The Pierce County Law Enforcement Support Agency call-taker recently was lambasted for not recognizing the severity of a 911 call he handled from a case worker standing outside Josh Powell’s house before the Puyallup man killed himself and his two young sons in a gasoline-fueled inferno Feb. 5.

LESA is still investigating how the call was handled and whether its procedures need to be changed.

On Monday, LESA released hundreds of pages in Lovrak’s personnel file in response to a public records request made by The News Tribune after the incident.

The documents include 32 glowing letters, commendations and awards that date to 1997. They describe a highly valued worker praised for his community involvement and quick thinking.

The file also includes a few reprimands for tardiness, trying to handle a call on his own rather than immediately passing it to dispatchers, and repeatedly sending sexually offensive comments through the agency’s computer-aided dispatch system.
More...



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on March 01, 2012, 07:05:26 AM
i lost the link to this info,i think i read it on a state
utah site about the abandoned mines,anyway they have been
closing the mines since 1983,and when more funds were
available in 93 they got aggressive,now its slow again since
2005

i think one of these roads leads to
old susan mine
http://g.co/maps/b6dw7
http://g.co/maps/q99hw

found A powell mine, its a pit mine,and near utah lake
prob is the same in the pdf reports
A.WV utah
B. old susan mine
C. powell mine
D.sandy utah,BKF sighting
http://tinyurl.com/7myn436

info on the powell mine
user/pass is same=ogmguest
http://linux1.ogm.utah.gov/WebStuff/wwwroot/minerals/mineralsfilesbypermit.php?M0490004
source
http://linux1.ogm.utah.gov/WebStuff/wwwroot/minerals/mineralsfilesbypermitinfo.php


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on March 02, 2012, 06:19:49 PM
I started following micki during the height of the Michelle Parker case.

https://twitter.com/#!/orlandomicki (https://twitter.com/#!/orlandomicki)

Ben Winslow ‏ @BenWinslow  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
This is disturbing. A drawing included in the #JoshPowell file. @fox13now #findsusan twitpic.com/8r51ei (http://twitpic.com/8r51ei)
Retweeted by micki



Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 02, 2012, 06:54:14 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/02/documents-show-josh-powell-took-pictures-strangers-legs/
Documents show Josh Powell took pictures of strangers' legs
March 2, 2012

SEATTLE –  Josh Powell told social workers in Washington he liked to take pictures of strangers' legs in public places, documents released Friday show.

The admission came one day after his father was arrested on voyeurism charges as law enforcement officials put more pressure on Powell regarding the 2009 disappearance of his wife in Utah.

The Social Services files, released under state public records laws, say Powell seemed to understand the laws around taking voyeur pictures. Powell said that he didn't take pictures of people's faces.
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Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on March 02, 2012, 10:26:51 PM
when i read this crap,i just cant believe it,its like a never ending
bad movie.do i hear the $ passing imgs & video,some docs too at link

More Josh Powell docs released
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SEATTLE — Child welfare authorities released nearly 1,700 pages of documents in the custody case involving Josh Powell and his children.

The documents, given to FOX 13 on Friday by Washington’s Department of Social and Health Services under a public records request, reveal the inner turmoil the children were under in the face of their mother’s disappearance and losing their father after their grandfather was arrested
He reported that to both CPS and West Valley City police in an e-mail included in the massive file.
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Josh Powell wrote his children almost daily, telling them that he loved them and could not wait to be together with them again. West Valley City police expressed deep concern about the children being in Powell’s custody.
 
But in notes, CPS caseworkers appeared to be pushing to reunite Josh with his sons. They noted that because of Susan’s disappearance, her parents would most certainly oppose it.

 
http://fox13now.com/2012/03/02/more-josh-powell-docs-to-be-released-today/


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Post by: KittyMom on March 02, 2012, 10:44:55 PM
I started following micki during the height of the Michelle Parker case.

https://twitter.com/#!/orlandomicki (https://twitter.com/#!/orlandomicki)

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This is disturbing. A drawing included in the #JoshPowell file. @fox13now #findsusan twitpic.com/8r51ei (http://twitpic.com/8r51ei)
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Oh, wow.  Why were his children not in counseling?  The system really failed them.


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: cw618 on March 02, 2012, 10:46:42 PM
 sorry read some and got PeOd ,something good had better come from
the release of JPs docs,i just cant see 2 sweet boys dying,and it turns
into shuffle the $,and more paperwork

pervs do you  hear the gavel,life in a 2.5x3x7,im just so  ::MonkeyMad::

the docs link,
http://localtvkstu.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/new-powell-documents-2012-03-02.pdf


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Post by: KittyMom on March 02, 2012, 10:50:34 PM
when i read this crap,i just cant believe it,its like a never ending
bad movie.do i hear the $ passing imgs & video,some docs too at link

More Josh Powell docs released
 ::snipping2::
SEATTLE — Child welfare authorities released nearly 1,700 pages of documents in the custody case involving Josh Powell and his children.

The documents, given to FOX 13 on Friday by Washington’s Department of Social and Health Services under a public records request, reveal the inner turmoil the children were under in the face of their mother’s disappearance and losing their father after their grandfather was arrested
He reported that to both CPS and West Valley City police in an e-mail included in the massive file.
 ::snipping2::
Josh Powell wrote his children almost daily, telling them that he loved them and could not wait to be together with them again. West Valley City police expressed deep concern about the children being in Powell’s custody.
 
But in notes, CPS caseworkers appeared to be pushing to reunite Josh with his sons. They noted that because of Susan’s disappearance, her parents would most certainly oppose it.

 
http://fox13now.com/2012/03/02/more-josh-powell-docs-to-be-released-today/

I think the Coxes should sue and I think they would win.  Anyone with common sense can see that the guy was twisted and trying his best to manipulate those poor kids.  The social workers should have been looking out for the best interest of the children. 


Title: Re: Susan Powell #3 2/07/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on March 03, 2012, 04:57:59 PM
when i read this crap,i just cant believe it,its like a never ending
bad movie.do i hear the $ passing imgs & video,some docs too at link

More Josh Powell docs released
 ::snipping2::
SEATTLE — Child welfare authorities released nearly 1,700 pages of documents in the custody case involving Josh Powell and his children.

The documents, given to FOX 13 on Friday by Washington’s Department of Social and Health Services under a public records request, reveal the inner turmoil the children were under in the face of their mother’s disappearance and losing their father after their grandfather was arrested
He reported that to both CPS and West Valley City police in an e-mail included in the massive file.
 ::snipping2::
Josh Powell wrote his children almost daily, telling them that he loved them and could not wait to be together with them again. West Valley City police expressed deep concern about the children being in Powell’s custody.
 
But in notes, CPS caseworkers appeared to be pushing to reunite Josh with his sons. They noted that because of Susan’s disappearance, her parents would most certainly oppose it.

 
http://fox13now.com/2012/03/02/more-josh-powell-docs-to-be-released-today/

I think the Coxes should sue and I think they would win.  Anyone with common sense can see that the guy was twisted and trying his best to manipulate those poor kids.  The social workers should have been looking out for the best interest of the children. 

ITA!!! This blindly wanting to reunify with a parent is bs...very very old bs!  ::MonkeyMad::


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Post by: grace-land on March 04, 2012, 12:59:25 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/kcpq-powell-boys-remembered-more-about-mothers-disappearance-20120302,0,2515409.story

Powell boys talked about mother's disappearance
DSHS case notesdetail boys' interactions with their father
Dana Rebik
Q13 FOX News reporter
8:31 p.m. EST, March 2, 2012

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On Nov. 29, 2011, Forest Jacobsen, the Washinton Department of Social and Health Services  worker assigned to the case, asked the woman who supervised the visits for more details about the children’s comments about their mother.

In the months before their murder, Charlie and Braden starting talking about their mom a lot, including during a brief stay with foster parents. One of the foster parents said one of the boys  talking about a graveyard, saying, “Of course they’re going to find bones there. I’m talking about Susan."

There is also evidence DSHS had growing concerns abou