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Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

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Naughty Robots,you are in the book.Catfish are pretty,with hushpuppies .I have eaten all kinds of fish

robots are good

hardly ever NAUGHTY  8)

If all we ever discussed was current news about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, we could check the LCD once a month and not miss a thing.  It just isn’t like it was in the first several months when something was happening all the time.  For some reason the LCD at SM has always been the place for active, real time conversations.  Not sure why that is, because other boards do have a multitude of topics that stay pretty busy.  It’s been that way as long as I remember and I doubt it will change.

Now, let’s all just feel the wub……..

My first page in book # 4 reads like this:


ROBOTS CHEATED, AGAIN.

ROBOTS CHEATED, AGAIN.

ROBOTS CHEATED, AGAIN.

ROBOTS CHEATED, AGAIN!!!

I think I am wasting my time.  :roll:

By almost 2 Hours .... :shock:

I still remember when things got so Heated... that we were all given a "Time Out" :lol:

:oops: Wrong cage... :oops:

Klaas locked my strawberry report in the last thread  :lol:  :lol:

I feel the wub Easy  :lol: you need to reach out and touch everybody with the wub

I made an incredibly profound post that got locked in on page 50, so I'm bringing over here. Lord knows it's probably so important that no one would want to miss it.  :roll:  :lol:

Y'all know I have my pet theory about what happened, and I'm sure 99% of people here think I'm wrong - which is okay. However, I need someone who is better at timelines than I am to tell me where the flaws are in this theory so I can work on it some more:

They take Natalee to the area of the painted rocks in order to rape her. Something bad happens, blood ends up on the rocks. They get Natalee back in the Kalpoe car, and blood ends up in the car. Deepak and Satish drop off Joran and the injured Natalee near McDonalds. Deepak goes home to clean the blood out of his car. Paulus picks up Joran and and the injured Natalee and takes them back to the VDS residence. Blood ends up on the mattress at the VDS house. Natalee dies. Paulus arranges for her body to be put in the fishtrap and taken out to sea. (Don't know why there isn't blood in Paulus' car.) The van that was photographed in the driveway takes away the old mattress and delivers a new one.

Well, I sure don't feel any wub and take that I am the offending party since I could not get an answer either way.

And I can be off topic with the best of you and have learned to do that well.

Here's an example:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,280074,00.html

Bodies of 2 Young Boys Found In Mother's Trunk

Horrible story!

That is a horrible story, Anna - so sad. Gosh, I wish there was some kind of safety mechanism that would prevent children from opening car trunks.

How horrible.  Wonder if they were just playing around or if someone put them in there?

BT,
I am surprised you are not under a ban for watering lawns!  We are, they are writing tickets as well as even having an open grill for cooking.

We are at Drought Level D-4, the worst on the scale now.  I am very fearful of fires now and am trying to think what to do in the event of one since I can't take all my dogs anywhere.  Or four horses.

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San

I'm always close to your thoughts.
 I think Natalee was sick or hurt (maybe trying to get away) at the VDS.  I think they decided it was time to get her to the beach (by the hotels).  They were spotted by the gardner so Joran was "stuck" with her, while Deepak took off to take Satish home.  Natalee took her last breath with Joran, on the way to the beach, or he saw the fishermen and decided to leave her hidden by the Racquet Club. Paulus either picked him up or heard him get home.  He told Paulus what happened.  Paulus told him to leave K2 out of it.  Paulus went to check and sure enough, Natalee was dead.  He told Anita he took care of everything but Joran still had a problem because he was the last one with her.

BT I believe that they could have taken a seriously injured Natalee to the VDS residence.  I also believe that Joran called Paulus and said he was coming home with her what should he do.  I believe Paulus never picked up Joran because there was no need to because he was at home.  He would never send Joran out alone to do a job that Paulus knows he would mess up.  Paulus was with Joran and that is when he made the ATM transactions.

My perception of Simian and Shango is that Simian was communicating with someone close to the investigation and Shango was a detractor, possibly arriving to distract and try to discredit Simian.  Simian was posting for about a week before Shango began posting.  Not until Simian was giving credible information about what was about to happen did we see a post from Shango.

Also, I see that Shango very often took one comment or concept posted by Simian and turned it into something very cryptic, which generated fast and furious postings by all of those seeking answers.  Shango sounded as though he knew something, but nothing Shango said was orginal in it's context, just in the delivery.

If you follow only the Real Simian posts they read just like what we later heard was going on in the investigation.  Shango may very well have been paid to disrupt Simian and you could tell Simian didn't like it.

FYI - "Bird on a wire" = inside ALE who was informing Simian, not some nefarious tipster to the ALE.  imo.

This sounded so yummy... I had to try to bring it here


Just wondering if the inside of the cupcake is dry or does it end up with the sweet / strawberry / syrup in it someway  :roll:

Here's a link to Jonothan45's old posts at SCRUX.  I haven't read through all them yet:

http://tinyurl.com/2773cj

Sounds about right to me BT. Happy BD to your hubby.

I am leaving for a nap right after this post but wanted to say we received one of those adds in the mail yesterday wanting to arial photograph our home. It got me to thinking about Andre Menses. I know Klaas and I have disagreed about this but since he is listed as an arial photographer it still makes me wonder if he is the one who took the photo of the delivery truck.

Those cupcakes sound so yummy, Nonesuche. I do wish I was up there with you right now to taste one!

I agree.  But the kick in the pants would be if Paulus was the last one to see Natalee take her final breath.  After Paulus going to check out what happened he could have said OMG this girl is still alive but she can never be found because of what Joran did to her.  Paulus could have made the decision that it would be better if they didn't find her alive.

Paulus Van der Sloot = I would do anything for my son.  Would this include murder.

Anna wrote;


I had hoped to end this discussion by start of the new thread, and had almost completed my reply when my computer acted up and I got some "this program is failing to respond" type message so I had to re-boot.

 :evil:
 
In summary of what I had written. Yes Anna despite how you intended your reponse last night to sound, it was not so much an attack, it was rather a verbal dissmissal IMO of what I posted. I know you are familiar with this instance, but others are not. Just as this morning on the previous thread S/S interpretaion was posted from long ago, and some posters were not familiar with it.

Have you guys confirmed that is the same Andre Meneses?? I am still skeptical as he lives in Costa Rica. I google the heck out of the name and one did pop up in Venezuela who is linked to owning a software company. To be interviewed that many times he has to be in Aruba or close by.

OldFart-

I used really fresh and not in the slightest mushy berries. Here is a link to where I found the recipe, it has a photo and I'd have to sharpen a knife all day to get a photo as clean as this one  :lol:

http://tinyurl.com/382wne  that is a mint sprig on top

It's not mushy, not at all but I also think these aren't cupcakes to leave out for long and to be consumed right away  :wink: now you have the recipe, you can make some OF  :D  :lol:

And the 17 yo who died from over use of sports cream like Ben Gay was a new one for me.  Who'd have thought that could be lethal?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,279895,00.html

And the pet foods are turning up to be full of Tylenol ingredient as well.

I wonder what we would find if a complete analysis was done on all food products.  Some pretty shocking things, I suspect.

Some things won't wash off veggies as it gets in little pockets on the underside of leaves.  The plant can even grow to close the pockets more and hold inside all kinds of germs.  Soaking as MsMarple said to do would be best method to get them out.

Total crop failure underway in this area so not possible to grow anything this year.  Price of beef dropping like a rock as cattle are slaughtered to keep from trucking water, etc.

Nonetheless, will try to have a good afternoon and encourage all monkeys to do the same!

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From the old Scrux forum:

Jonathan45

Joined: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 126

 Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:49 pm    Post subject: Joran van der Sloot  

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Al 2.40 am Joran called Deepak within half an hour three times to create an alibi, in which the Kalpoe brothers were in time accused by Joran of being involved in this crime.
Joran was and is the main suspect, but he caught these 2 guys in his web of lies [ because of the fact that they brought Joran & Natalee to the beach] to create more suspects en to misled the investigators.
Joran killed Natalee on the beach. He han no condom but his sexdrive overpowered his rational part. She accused him of sexual assault and rape and told him she was going to the police to charge him. That would be a disaster for his family [ ambitions, luxury, lifestyle] will explode if Joran was charged. He got mad and killed her [ drowning, strangling]
But where is the Natalee's body ?
Joran dumped her body in the trashcontainer nearby, which was emptied the same day. Thats why Natalee's body will never be found.

I don't think there has been any confirmation on Meneses yet.

Anna if only you knew the supplements that these athletes find and come up with, it's also not always something they are given either, with pressure to perform they find a lot of them all by themselves. No muscle cream should not cause death but FYI my ex once broke out in a horrible rash, a heat rash also. Well he had read somewhere that st john's wort was very good for you, so of course in his infinite wisdom he nearly overdosed on it - it truly made him pretty sick.

I find myself counseling son until I am blue in the face not to buy those protein powders that are full of additives and so far I think he's listening, what worries me is most coaches are 'too busy' to give a darn what their athletes are taking  :roll:

They haven't put us under any kind of ban yet, although I'm surprised they haven't. Actually, I haven't done any watering of the lawn. It's pretty much all brown and crunchy at this point. The only watering I'm doing is trying to keep my shrubs and flowers alive.

I'm the same about being fearful of forest fires, since I also live with lots of trees around me. I'm already worried about July 4th. The people who live on the other side of my woods always set off illegal fireworks on July 4th, and I'm so afraid that they will start of fire with them this year.

Anna this little girl was from Staten Island.  This girl was a track star and seemed to use a lot of that type of stuff.  The mother of the girl was waiting for two months for the results.  She was relieved that it wasn't anything that her daughter had done but it is still tragic.

what do you think Klaas? It's plausible one would guess but all of the trash did go into that donkey dump on Aruba, so WHY wouldn't the ALE allow that search to continue?  :roll:

the creation of the alibi could have worked too, plus explained the anger from Deepak in that car ride but his "your own father" still rings in my ears so Deepak knows more than he's telling.

Jonathan45 could be deepak for all we know  :roll:

I think that is a plausable theory. "She was acting crazy" So I am sure someone had to shut her up.

I wonder where all the trash goes from Aruba? Do they ship it all out to Venezuela??I have a friend that went to Aruba last year and two of the locals told them that is where NH went.

And what was my next post where I said I had read on the pages you posted and mentioned several of the psychics Dave discussed there?  I was really trying to discuss, BB, and am very sorry you took my stating I had read that before as an attack and bashing.
It wasn't intended that way and I really resent your claim that I attack everything you post.

You may be totally surprised to learn I don't even read everything you post!
It is a tremendous stretch to say what I said was attacking and bashing as you originally stated.  I was not being dismissive but trying to clarify that this did not take place at any TEMPLE as you originally stated either unless you consider what Dave described as like a strip joint a temple.

There were almost no posters left to discuss when you posted that is why it didn't go much of any where.  That is NOT my fault.[/b]

But I, too, feel attacked by your accusations and so am leaving for the day lest I offend.  There is nothing more I can do.

None,

If it's okay...I have some experience in this.  My son is a college athlete and I can tell you for certain that the powdered protein mixes are very safe.  Before my son would even touch them he contacted our physician to get all of the information he could get regarding this.  Other than this he refuses to consider anything else as a means to enhance athletic performance other than hard work.  The 'downside' (if you can call it a downside) is that he will never be a 'huge' guy.  He's fine with this and it has not hurt him at all...not being very big I mean.

I'm still behind but I'm telling you I'm sending hugs ... I love reading your posts ~ heck, think how embarrassed I am ... the only thing I contribute is a comment about Paris  :oops:  :oops: I can't even be on-topic.

but how often, toting trash by barge isn't so unusual but how often and exactly to what area in Venezuela?

I never followed Shango and Simian at the beginning. When I first got Dave's book, that was the part I read first, looking for a clue or two.
I haven't been able to figure out :
Who they were or what they were trying to tell us. Or WHY ???
I have pretty well dismissed anything they said at this point, but I still do read the S / S posts.  
Determining the identity of these posters is something that no one has ever been able to do with 100 % absolute certainty.

Thanks, Klaas. That should be interesting reading.

Anna, I know you know we wub you. I just seem to make it all worse whenever I utter one word regarding S&S so now my policy is that I can't respond or discuss it.

I am sorry this situation has occurred, very sorry. tcumom I've been smiling to see you posting more, please don't stop.

 :lol:  :lol:

Another O/T - It's been a really bad week again. (CNN site - forgot to copy link.)



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try isolating the Shango posts that refer to a "game", those who "played", and those who "won/lost"

gets very interesting.....apparently Simian prefered to overlook this and chose instead to post "......that's what many on the island are saying [happened]"

perhaps Simian has a vested interest in the island tourism

And, of course now that I sent that post to Anna, she's disappeared  :cry: ... thanks for the encouragement about posting, too  :D

I think your theory has a great deal of validity.  I would like for you to take it piece by piece and try to substantiate it.  That is as long as you can include Shango....I know.  :lol:  :lol:

I hate posting this but we got rain last night, fast and furious storm but some rain  :oops: I hope it heads to TN and bama, our city has no direct water source so we pay out the wazoo for water, my typical bill with no irrigation is at least $125/month and that's with just two people  :shock:

BT I have to let my lawn go brown and crunchy too but so are my neighbors, but like you I do worry about those fireworks. Maybe you could call the county and alert them without saying names that fireworks occur in your 'area' every year? good luck with it

mishy, taking some out the oven now, come have some and thanks to everyone for tolerating my off-topic posts. I appreciate it, sometimes I just think the mood needs some lifting around here but if I annoy anyone well just say so.

Another interresting post from the old Scrux forum:

Jonathan45



Joined: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 126

 Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:04 am    Post subject: The timeline.  

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@ to All

The timeline doesn't end at 3.10 am that night, when Joran got home and made contact with Deepak. The car of his mother was available. He drove in her car before without a driverslicence. So Joran could have ride to the beach to collect her body for dumping on a spot he thought Natalee's body will never been found. There are after the beachscene more possibilities.
I wrote also that PvdS and Rita his mother know that he was present when Natalee died. If you don't know what the impacts are of [pathological] double-binds in the social-genetic nest [ the family] you can find information
on the internet to look for the theory of double-bind [Gregory Bateson, 1956] This scientific theory is about behavior and communication.
If Joran has hidden the body on a spot till Anita, his mother, returned from Holland at june 2, she also can be involved in the disposal.
So after 3.10 am there is a timeline too to be considered.
At 6.40 am Joran told in a interview the schoolbus was coming.

I have stuff to do, but leaving with this Partheon shot --

I was disappointed that nothing positive happened on Aruba on May 29/30, but thought well, maybe, June 9 ... but that has passed too.  :cry:

Having serious doubts now that the Dutch will do anything.

(Sorry Robots!)

Have fun Monkeys
Got to run to the hardware store

While I'm there I think I'll check to see if they carry "Green sanding sugar"  for NoneS strawberry cupcake  recipe   :lol:

I hope Tim Miller is correct in doing a deep water search... but I'm still a landfill guy.  What did Aruba do to assist in the search there?  How much effeort would it take to discredit / buy off Junior?

SeeeYaaa

Or Simian's 'bird on a wire' was aware of a different game that was being played:

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The boy is no Ajax. He is too afraid of the consequences. He doesn’t want to be made a cafone.
The third act needs to be played and the cowboys will be heroes.
This is all a “lugubrious game” to them. They were all at the party and all of them are turning their heads. One of them needs to be pinched.
Posted Jun 26, 10:24 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post

"Lugubrious Game" is a Dali painting that promotes confusion and uses sexual references to do so.  

Dali's stated desire "to systematize confusion and contribute to the total discrediting of the world of reality" http://www.csulb.edu/~karenk/20thcwebsite/438final/ah438fin-Info.00047.html

Thanks Klaas!!  Been reading awhile.  I must have not read much, at scrux, in the early days.  Probably a good thing.  :roll:

Great observation!  I was thinking the same thing.  If however we decide that Simian most certainly was Clyde Burke, would he have vested interests that needed protecting?  Did Shango?

I will ask this again...do we have all the Shango posts?  Are there fake ones in those as well?  Until we know the genuine posts, there is no way to determine if they have any worth at all.  I know most will say they have no worth period...but if Simian turns out to be ALE, would that not make them viable?  Yes, I am stirring the pot a bit, but if you don't approve just pass me by. :roll:

Simian was in Aruba.  Shango was in Florida.  Not sure how significant this is, but it makes me wonder where Shango's 'sources' really were.  I don't buy the cryptic god reference he made regarding how he says he knows things.

No Idea..That was a pretty big landfill so probably not often. I admit I was a sucker for Junior's story and I am still torn about his story or she was put out to sea. I do think there is a connection of the items that were stolen from the fisherman huts area that day (boat cover, tape, rope,cage and an anchor)

So essentially you don't believe in anything Shango, just Simian.  And how do you know that Shango posted from Florida?  Did someone answer your question and not mine?  LOL

Shango:
All of Shango's information comes from the higher power, Olorum
Eyes of god may look from afar with great acuity (keeness of sight, hearing, intellect)
If a bird whispers an evil secret, the listener is not the sinner!
Not all messages come from a terrestrial origin.

Just revisiting a old article that I never read before...I found it interesting that men were digging in the dunes long after the police had left the scene.

http://www.ajr.org/article_printable.asp?id=3936


Some of the mistakes were harder to explain. Late one Friday night, CNN reported that at least one of the suspects had confessed. AP quickly followed with a report that he was leading police to the evidence. Moments later, a half dozen news crews sped down a pitch-dark dirt road toward an abandoned beach where police were supposedly digging up a body. Nothing. Officials ranging from the original source right up to the prime minister quickly denied the initial reports.

As guiltily competitive as the rest, I crept out later that night with a Birmingham television crew that was filming distant, spotty footage of men digging in the dunes – probably just local bootleggers pulling up their stash of booze.

I am not accusing. I was explaining[/b] my feelings regarding the posts I posted this day , as I was asked by you to do.


I did not say you bash everything I write. Hardly expect you can read everything I post.


 
It is your opinion only that this VIP club was not a temple. From sources I have there may have been more than one visit to the VIP Club. From the sources I have the man who exited  was dressed something akin to a priest, long flowing robe, I didn't  use the word Temple. I posted this encounter to demonstrate the possible existence of some sort of " secret society" (the discussion had been about S/S and the Skull and Bones reference). Someone  had also mentioned in the course of the discussion the possibility of an off- shoot of the Masons but certainly not the Masons as we know them in this country. This is how a discussion goes....exchanging ideas. As far as there not being any posters left to discuss the topic, I don't know, as I left. I do recall there being quite abit of traffic volume through this site last week. Did it have any relation to the discussions about S/S?

Anyway this on-going need to defend,and to be called on the carpet by certain posters whenever I post anything, be it my opinion or not, related to S/S is the reason I will no longer tango.

...........going for a canoe ride. See all you Monkeys later.

205. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The FBI is all up in this case. There is the simple point of JURISDICTION. The Dutch Kingdom is a sovereign country. It will hurt the case if the defense at some point in the future will suggest that the FBI interferred with the rights of the accused.

Simian was mistaken on this point...we now know that the FBI was allowed to do very little concerning this investigation.  Maybe he thought that just being there observing things was being involved.  :roll:

Shango:
If a bird whispers an evil secret, the listener is not the sinner!And who has the Elder SlanderFoot contacted in Babylon?
Hidden whispers, plans for the future.

85. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
What does the music man know? He was seen. He was mentioned by the boy.
Posted Jun 25, 8:37 PM

I take that to mean Joran...so wasn't Deepak the one that mentioned Steve first?

The location of Shango was identified long ago.  Reliable source.  Shango posted from Florida.

I was interested in Shango...at first.  In fact, after a while I was thoroughly convinced that Simian was Julia/Bondia.  Not anymore.  So...I guess I put a little more credence in Simian for what Simian claimed to be.  Simian never wanted anyone to infer that he knew anything other than what we can now find in many of the official statements made by suspects and witnesses.  Shango seemed to be playing more of a game with it all..

83. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The Babylonians might release the Hindus.
The boy knows his father knows the way. He’s been inside the palace for many years. It has worked before. This time too much is at stake. This time there was someone there to hear the tree fall.
The music man is singing. The Simian can’t understand the words.
A bloody tongue is a bloody tongue. Swollen and thick. This boy is lost.
Posted Jun 25, 8:57 PM |

Why doesn't Simian understand what the music man was singing?  Just exactly who is the music man?  Steve?  Paulus?

"Lugubrious Game" is a Dali painting that promotes confusion and uses sexual references to do so.

That is interesting.... a Simian who is familiar with S. Dali ?
When is the last post of the real Simian ?

Shango:
Shango has not danced with the lions.....

clue?

Maybe he meant the FBI knew all the facts but were not given the ok to act on them??  What day was this posted??

I think Simian believes just that.  I don't, but I think that is how Simian saw it.

If the lions are in Aruba and Shango is in Florida I would say the chances of there being some truth to that statement are pretty good.

lol TS2:

do lions really dance?

That is my point.  We all think Shango's location was identified long ago.  Just as we all thought Shango was Gabe Leo...no proof from the source as of yet. We all thought Simian was Albert Vrojlik too.  As sourced by the some as Shango.  No proof that I have ever seen.  I want to see it.  I want to see the Shango posts that belong only to the poster from Florida.  I want to know if all the Shango posts are from the same person or not.  Why are we still playing cloak and dagger with these two posters?  If we are going to rely on them for hints to happenings that took place why are we still not certain who posted from where?  I am not directing my last statements to any person in particular.  It's just time that we knew which Shango's were Gabe's and which were Jairo.  Now, Gabe claims not to have ever heard of Shango...so if that is true (not saying it is) then we have to rethink the Shango and Simian posts.  Since knowing the legit posts, we have made progress in several areas.  Now if we could determine the real Shango posts we might be able to do that with Shango as well.  

Also, the fake Simian's are who?  That could be important also.  Stick with me guys, I am just thinking out loud here and wondering about motives.

Truthseeker
My question is who is the reliable source that has identified Shango as being from Florida?

Yes, Deepak gave the ALE Steve's name.  Joran also mentions Steve's connection to Deepak in the back of the police car.  He was making fun of Deepak because he knew what Steve was saying was not true.

Joran: You two paid him off, right.
Brothers: ha ha ha ha ha ha
Joran: You said then via the telephone like, that I have the jackpot. You said now [?] through the phone , I have the fxxxing jackpot. You forget that the phone is tapped, right?
Satish or Deepak: Shut your trap [hou je bek]
Joran: You forget that, right +++++? Then you arrive home and you say how you arranged everything. You say "I have fixed it". Good for you [meaning your own fault]. because of you he is also in jail.
Deepak: Yeaaaaaaaaahhh! Yeahhhhhhhhh!

Well, Burke was right there seeing what was happening.  Why would he think the FBI was heavily involved when it was obvious they weren't?  Even the FBI said so.

Like J4N said..Gabe Leo never hearing of shango is not credible..

I agree..He has been on these blogs and posting since june 2005

Just the one on the Wizard of OZ.  hehe

Simian has an education.

..........and, quite possibly-Shango's.......

Klaas

And Shango reads comic books?  LOL

And where did she get her info...don't answer I already know the answer...proves my point.

This is the last post.  Klaas has identified this post as coming from the same location as the real Simian.

Name: Baboon | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The FBI was with a group in Aruba. Some left, some stayed.
There is no plea barganing in Aruba or the Dutch Kingdom. What they do is reduced sentences for the for the lesser crimes.
The case where the gentleman was “beheaded” was solved. The girl was picked up and she is awaiting for her charges and subsequent trial.
A case of a drive-by shooting was also solved and the involved have been arrested. Nobody was killed they just shot in the air. One is the son of really, really rich and influential people in Aruba. Not like Joran, which by Aruban standards is just the son of a judicial employee.
Some have to start coming to grips that maybe something else happened to the girl.
Posted Jul 1, 10:38 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post

Which point?

No proof.  Shango's IP was from Florida.

I think we know what type of person Steve Croes is..Look at the articles when he got arrested. His own boss at the tatoo said he is friends with Deepak. Deepak admits they are friends in the skeeters tape and on his PV'S. Still after all this Steve Croes still will lie on national TV and say he doesnt know deepak.

I have a feeling that the text msg/phone call from the sloots to Steve Croes is the real deal. He is much more involved then giving a fake alibi for the pimps. Wouldn't surprise me at all if PVDS withdrew money for Steve to help out that morning.

Never mind... :roll:  :roll:

Because Steve's story makes no sense.  He was questioned about his story after Deepak had already told the police that the HI story was a lie.  Dingbat Steve was still telling it.

Why do you not feel this is proof?  Are you thinking proxy IP?  If so, why use a proxy IP that leads to a location very near the ATA offices in Florida?

(first Shango post):
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

(next post in sequence):
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
The last hope rests on the shoulders of the cowboys. Ten days, two down, eight to go.
The elder knows the passages in the palace too well. The Babylonians are afraid they might not be able to stop him.
Don’t shake the wire, ‘cause the bird will fy away.


 Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:45 am
Shango finds it very humorous (and quite fitting) that a frenchman would assume the monniker of a Primate
 

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:50 am
As opposed to? Crack a book some time…

Another Jonathan45 post from the old Scrux forum:

Jonathan45



Joined: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 126

 Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:09 am    Post subject: AVDS  

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@Jessy

It was Anita who visited Joran every day when he was in prison for sealing his lips in this unsolved case.
Genetically a human being is his father and his mother.
I wrote already about this social genetic nest [family] and its web of [pathological] double-binds.
Joran's mother has never been focussed on. She has a solid alibi till midnight from june 2 to june 3. If Natalee is reburied, maybe even on their own property, she is involved deeply.
The double-bind with the mother is always a pathological one at that age.
Their lips are sealed and I know why.
The timeline, the facts, for me it all pointed out that Joran is the only suspect in this case during the night after they were dropped off at the beach. Later on his dad and mom took control over the confusion Joran spread and they succeeded till today.
Joran did it alone [ walked home, took Anita's car to collect the body after framing the Kalpoe boys.
Friendship between these three boys was also a pathological double bind.
We know how they become enemies.

I believe Shango was posting from Florida based upon his IP.  But because of the possibility of a proxy I can't be 100% sure.

Another Jonathan45 post from the old Scrux forum:

The beach ! The dunes! The area where NH was last seen and left alone by Joran as he stated.
What is so peculiar to the fact that Joran let almost all of us focus on the beach, the dunes ? Why created he a shoes saga later on during the investigation ?
Has Satish noticed the days after the missing that Joran didn't wear his new shoes anymore ? Did he use that fact when Joran dragged him into this unsolved case ? Didn't Deepak said " let my little brother out of it" ?
Did Joran had to explain that detail brought in by Satish because Joran knew Satish knew about the missing shoes ?
Why would Satish implicit confirm that he picked Joran up at the beach by bringing this item into the investigation ?
It made him for many of us also a main suspect ? Would a killer do that ?
Would a partner in crime do that ? Incriminating himself more then he already was ?
But why the beach, the dunes ?
Does it means that Natalee's body ain't there [anymore] ?
Did Joran dropped her body in a cave he knew from his childhood or somewhere else and covered it ?
Was there forensic evidence by wearing those lost shoes in an other geological area ?
If the search for Natalee's body would be intensivated there is, if Natalee is buried there, a big chance to find her remains. Would Joran take that risk or does he know her remains aren't in that area ? No body no case !
Joran's lies brought us to the beach area.
So he walked barefoot to home according to Satish.
About the shoes Joran said: I didn't want sand in my shoes, so I pulled them off and forgot them in his sexual driven flirt along the beach to a spot to f*** her.

If Shango used a proxy, still an if, the proximity to ATA is a little too close for my comfort.  Just my opinion, but I think Shango was part of the disinformation crowd that jumped on every site to defend Aurba...and Joran by extension.

Shango's first post seemed to be about Steve Croes.  Simian was becoming credible and was starting to post more info about PVDS and the boys that didn't make things in Aruba look very good.  Shango later posts some things that fell in line with the 'blame the victim' crowd.  At least that's how I interpreted those posts.

Klaas

Now I am a little more than intrigued.

Satish didn't introduce the missing shoes, Deepak did in his June 11 statement are 12:10:

He said he had left her there. He did not say to me where this took place. At that point I got angry at Joran and asked him, why he left that girl on the beach. After that he said that he was walking home barefoot. I then said, what do you mean, you are walking home barefoot and I asked him where his sneakers/sport shoes were. He answered that he had left his sneakers/sport shoes at the beach.

Maybe Simian is refering to someone else.  Maybe the "music man" is a producer or bandplayer, that actually saw Joran (?and Paulus) on the road or by McDonalds? that night.  Joran didn't know it so was not aware of the song?????

Isn't there someone who could find Simian just by the IP address ?

Maybe.  I guess the reason I do think he was referring to Seve is because he was trying to inform people about the progress of the investigation. imo.  Using a term like for someone people were not familiar with would not have served that purpose.

bbl.  I hope the Tango survives!!

I dont think this guy is connected at all..But there is a Andres Meneses out of chicago who is quite big in the world of latin street music and dancing. Appears he was in chicago on 4/8/05


http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/news/newsbyid.asp?id=22210

I think this is the "Music Man"

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/Dj_Diablo_na_Mambo_Jambo_28.jpg)

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/JoranDance.gif)

Where are all the Simian posts ?
TY

I'll throw a log on the fire-
coincidence????? Discuss......

Page 4:
Rules, Game, poison notes, $ control, old motel.....very interesting.....could this be the game Shango is alluding to?
www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks
The way is clouded for the sacrifice
Rules have changed, so has the maze
the way is lost for the pioneers who went to live among the indians

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
Arawaks want to make cowboys happy
Babylonians want to maintain integrity of Great House
Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The card of babylon was already played
if it sings, DirtyHand will bring down the Royal House on top of the Arawak Nation
the gods have handed down a pipe of peace, but a sacrifice will be made
Some elders of the game, not just of babylon walk in older circles
cowboys hear the singing, but the words are not understood
The gods and the babylonians are worried about the cowboys response

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Tribe knows all of the players, even the elders of the inner circle

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:09 pm
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles
DirtyHand knows this
Children of the Elders play in the maze,
but DirtyHand is afraid to rave


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:42 pm
The Lamb returned to the fold
Mary Rolled
And the lions played

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:18 pm
DirtyHand does not play with the lions
but he has entered the maze

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating
afraid to walk through the maze

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:50 am
The babylonian and the shivas did not build castles in the sand
they lost to the lions  
[note: NH is now 'loot']

Is Simian a DirtyHand too
Has the Simian played with the lions
in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes
where the innocent flies are lured?

Just peeking in
From Deepak's  June 13th statment...
When they were at the Sloots on the morning of May 31.. I am assuming the man was Charles Croes..  Would be great to see his Statement relating to 5/31 to see if this is true or just added in later  :roll:



SYB

OMG Anna....this is too close for comfort....I am checking on this one.... :(

Colombo

I remember you and Eleye? posting.  I, for one, would like to hear your interpretation of the postings.  It's kind of like a research study.  If I can read the abstract and conclusion,  and find it thought provoking, I may actually take the time to decipher the whole study.  I may or may not end up agreeing with the conclusion, but it gets me into the meat of the matter.
You seem to favor Shango, yet Simian posts from the island.  Why do you concentrate on Shango??

TIA

Bye monkeys,checking out,for the long walk.I hope to see justice,soon.I donät care who is right or wrong

OT...followup from article Anna provided:

The deaths of the two Kentucky boys (found in the trunk) appears to be
an accident.

http://tinyurl.com/2c6ogm

Hey y'all...

doing a drive by!  BUT anyone that talks with CRAZYMOM please tell her to check her emails... I need to talk to her.

TIA!!

Tylergal always said that Anita was the orchestrator.

Also, I always find it odd why the Sloots won't move from their home.  Anita said in an interview the other day that Joran was not safe there and he had to sleep with them.  Why would you want to stay there and not move?  Something is on that property.

What does that mean?

 :smt102

Another timeline..Not sure if it is true or not but the author says K2 passed all questions on a lie detector except for when they saw NH last. Must of been Dennis Jacobs asking the questions..
Also says that Mama Kalpoe had tickets for the two to depart back to suriname..If that was true I wonder why they never left?

http://crimeshots.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1254

KALPOE's each underwent lie detector testing and both Current Suspects KALPOE's were said to have passed all questions except for one of the most crucial questions of when they either were with, or saw NATALEE last. Judge also ruled on 7-4 that from now on all suspects will have the right to have their attorneys present during interrogations. (Reportedly, by 7-4 his mommy NADIRA had airline tickets already purchased to take the KALPOE brothers back to Suriname ((the judge did not confiscate the brothers passports))

I don't know, it sounds kinda skeeeerrrrrry (as Robots might say).  :twisted:

 I think you left already San.... I cant imagine my 17 yr old 6 ft 2 son sleeping in bed with myself and his stepdad..  Gross!
 I agree.. why not move ??

  LOL BB.. Maybe Tiger went out to walk his doggy?

Seems like people are a little tenses this weekend and I think it has to do with the complete lack of info coming out of these Dutch cops in Aruba.  Was wondering if Tiger was saying he was taking a break from this, or if he really was going to take a long walk.

Probably a long walk. I went for a long row and I feel better..

What is the latest easy..Still 3-5 KLPD on the island??They turned over the case to officials in Curacao to decide if they want to move fwd??

To be honest I am a bit dissapointed..I was hoping the KLPD was gonna make a bigger impact. I guess they ran into a wall of corruption??

Wasn't there something about Deepak's work visa and if he left, he wouldn't be let back in.  Not a problem for Satish because he was a student.

 IMO a walk Easy,.. I think he has posted before he has went out on walks or walked his doggy. I dunno?
 I been cleaning all dang day and doing laundry.. what fun.. NOT!  Still have a few things ro finish up. Sent hubby grocery shopping earlier  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll: ....and I had to go back and get the crap he didnt get that I wrote on the list.. :evil:
  Should of went myself to begin with.. lol

 :shock:  Michigan..  
 TY Blonde..

I haven't heard much of anything lately.  Some of the Dutch are still there, but no one hears anything out of them.  Could not get confirmation about the Curacao business except that it was doubtful.

Maybe they did find a bigger problem than the case of a missing girl.  I could see where it would take a long time to unravel something like that.

Who knows.....

If you are a fan of The Sopranos, go to the FP and give us your best guess as to what the outcome will be.

Tony whacked? Phil pushing up daisies? Carmela or Pauly the mole?

My thought is that terrorism will play a role. Just my opinion. Give us yours.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/10/sopranos-finale-what-will-the-conclusion-be-to-tony-soprano/

Anyone ever see this footage?? Makes me wonder if it wasnt the cleanup team that we saw at the rocks the next day??

http://www.ajr.org/article_printable.asp?id=3936


Some of the mistakes were harder to explain. Late one Friday night, CNN reported that at least one of the suspects had confessed. AP quickly followed with a report that he was leading police to the evidence. Moments later, a half dozen news crews sped down a pitch-dark dirt road toward an abandoned beach where police were supposedly digging up a body. Nothing. Officials ranging from the original source right up to the prime minister quickly denied the initial reports.

As guiltily competitive as the rest, I crept out later that night with a Birmingham television crew that was filming distant, spotty footage of men digging in the dunes – probably just local bootleggers pulling up their stash of booze.

I see some people are on the tense side today.. Maybee this will loosen you up a bit 8) Yes I know it is mostly women here :)


Now here are the rules from the male side.
These are our rules!
Please note... These are all numbered "1"
ON PURPOSE!

1. Men are NOT mind readers.

1. Learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl. If it's
up, put it down. We need it up, you need it down. You don't hear us
complaining about you leaving it down.

1. Sunday sports. It's like the full moon Or the changing of
the tides. Let it be.

1. Shopping is NOT a sport. And no, we are never going to
think of it that way.

1. Crying is blackmail.

1. Ask for what you want. Let us be clear on this one: Subtle
hints do not work! Strong hints do not work! Obvious hints do not work!
Just say it!

1. Yes and No are perfectly acceptable answers to almost every
question.

1. Come to us with a problem only if you want help solving it.
That's what we do. Sympathy is what your girlfriends are for.

1. A headache that lasts for 17 months is a Problem. See a
doctor.

1. Anything we said SIX months ago is inadmissible in an
argument. In fact, all comments become null and void after SEVEN Days.

1. If you won't dress like the Victoria 's Secret girls, don't
Expect us to act like soap opera guys.

1. If you think you're fat, you probably are. Don't ask us.

1. If something we said can be interpreted two ways , and one
of the ways makes you sad or angry, we meant the other one.

1. You can either ask us to do something Or tell us how you want it done.
Not both. If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself.

1. Whenever possible, Please say whatever you have to say
during commercials.

1. Christopher Columbus did NOT need directions and neither do
we.

1. ALL men see in only 16 colors, like Windows default
settings. Peach, for example, is a fruit, not A color. Pumpkin is also a fruit. We have no idea what mauve is.

1. If it itches, it will be scratched. We do that.

1. If we ask what is wrong, and you say, "nothing," We will act
like nothing's wrong. We know you are lying, but it is just not worth
the hassle.

1. If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, Expect an
answer you don't want to hear.

1. When we have to go somewhere, absolutely anything you wear
is fine... Really.

1. Don't ask us what we're thinking about unless you are
prepared to discuss such topics as baseball, the shotgun formation, Or golf.

1. You have enough clothes.

1. You have too many shoes.

1. I am in shape. Round IS a shape!  :D

Except that the footage in the aru-bay videos is clearly durring the day.

I normally only watch part of the show and listen to the rest.  Tonight I'm going to try to watch the entire thing  :wink:

*******

 ROFLMAO  !!

 :oops:  I have no clue at times who is a chick or a dude?

Sometimes I think more like a man than a woman.   :lol:

Klassend    :lol:  :lol:

Who is Tony and why should he be whacked?   :lol:  :P  :lol:

Men digging in the dunes ? At night ?

Well, the writer lives in the US. Birmingham. Close to Dave and Beth.
Think this is a thing that should be sent to Dave.

I just find it weird that they said nothing was there but later that night someone was digging in the same area. I seriously doubt they were Bootleggers diggin in the same area where they expected to find Natalee's body  right after the retracted confession. Wouldnt suprise me at all if it was the Visibilty team at work after all the news crews left the area.

That sounded really suspicious to me as well, FWIW...

Tiger is going to be on vacation for a couple of weeks. Maybe he was signing out to get ready for it.

Good point

Just looked at this on AOL news..   Curaco & Venezula are on the list..

Best Islands for doing nothing...


http://information.travel.aol.com/galleries/islands-for-doing-nothing?ncid=AOLCOMMtravDYNLprim0131

Do they have have bootleggers in Aruba ?
Drugs, si !

Anyone else watch the Sterling Spann case on Dateline tonight?  What a mess!

I'm watching House Hunters - again.  :oops:  :lol:

 Lucky Tiger! I need a vacation.. After looking at the link I posted from AOL I just posted.. the US Virgin Islands look so pretty.. and not far via plane.   sighhhhhhhhhh.. I need to win the lottery..  :wink:

Take me with you when you go? Going to look at old people in England every year is getting boring.  :roll:  :lol:

....and Aruba is nowhere in sight. I would choose Bay of Islands, New Zealand .

  LOl BT~! Id take anyone that wants to go.. I may not come back to PA though once I get out!  :lol:  :lol:

 :D  BB.... I was waiting to see if Aruba was on the list as I scrolled through.. but NOPE!   :lol:

Anyone got a iPhone?

Woo Hoo! Now all I have to do is get skinny enough to fit into a bikini.  :lol:

I've got itunes - does that count?  :P

 :oops:  Easy.. what is an iphone?

It was passed over for some fairly obscure places, but maybe that's the point, safe and obscure. I personally haven't heard of  Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

  :roll:  you are skinny dog gone it..   :D  :D

No..But I love my mac!! OSX is the best!! IMO

Apple iphone: http://www.apple.com/iphone/

I've lusted after one, but haven't bought one. (Yet)

 Me either.. I saw that photo and thought WTH?  Didn't impress me any..

  LOL Thanks BT..  Looks like a nice phone..

Maybe the confession was earlier in the day (we saw Joran devastated), the teams had already been deployed (with only Aruba Bay following) and then the info was leaked (when they reported they found the rocks). The news crews got late notice and it was dark?????

Not sure but it looks kewl. lol  I got a email notice to get a free one, but it looks like I will have to answer ten pages of junk before I get to the fine print.

 :wink:  I know what you mean I have received emails as such for different items.. free laptop etc..  and its all just a gimmick  :x

:smt006  I see Tiger is signed back on !!

Tiger.. where are you going and why arn't you taking us with yah on vacation?  :wink:  :wink:

Yeah, I bailed out after that stuff about giving them your first born and getting a number tatooed on your forehead.....   :wink:

I think service on those phones is something like $80.00 per month. At least, that's what I heard. I haven't checked it out yet.

E-mail: hwolfson@bhamnews.com

Here is the lady's email addy.

Don't want or need that!   :shock:

I am going a Haj.It is not a trip of pleasure,but if I bump into sporter,I will push in the Rhine.(just Kidding)I have been shopping all day and I don't to try to tell the difference in a shade/I have been activated.

  LOL Easy.. thats about it....  :wink:

What gets me is they say it was mis-information!! Jossy claims to have proof that Joran broke down crying and that he and deepak buried the girl..Same day..Same Time that Croes and Dompig said there was a confession and they were being lead to the body.

I dont think that reporter knew how important that footage may have been that night. If she knew what we know now she would have put on some bright lights. I have a feeling the video is dark and worthless. I really believe that was a very very suspicious area to be searched. Especially since Paulus himself was snooping around there early one AM. Wether it was Natalee or just evidence..I think they found it and got rid of it.

I did find a Hannah Wolfson in another directory... she's 35.
Do we know of any silver tounged devils who could charms the birds outta the trees ? It would be EASY for such a person.

I am going to my baby's wedding in Turkey

Rhine or talking,you make the call.

Tiger - where is Haj?  In the middle east?

 Well try to have a nice time Tiger . even if it is not a trip of pleasure.
be safe!

Wow, that is a long trip!  Hope you have a wonderful and safe trip!

Okay - I think I can interpret this. Let me give it a shot, Tiger, and you tell me if I'm right.

You're going on a Haj (trip to Turkey). It is not a pleasure trip (i.e. it's a family obligation), but if you bump into the Sporter you'll push him in the Rhine when you visit Europe on your way back from Turkey. You have been shopping with your wife all day and don't know the difference in shades of color in things. The only line that has me stumped is "I have been activated." Do you mean your wife has drawn you into shopping, even though you can't tell the difference in shades?

How'd I do?  :D

Yes,it a pilgramage to be Holy as required.I am going for the wedding

you are so correct,bt

 OH WOW~!!!!!!!!!!!  CONGRATS!!

TY  :D  :D  :D

 :?:  :?:  :?:  :roll:

 Kat.. not ignoring yah sweety.. just dunno the answers  :oops:

Tiger ~ Congratulations...know you're happy for your cub.  :D   You need to stay in touch while you're away being a proud Tiger

hear, hear!!

I wonder if the iphone is really going to take off...

PAULUS...OR FREDDY?  :arrow: Steve Croes Story

Luvslalom on RU referencing Joran book excerpts...

"What i am saying is Deepak did not ask to have Satish kept out of the loop. I am not saying that Joran wants to keep Satish out of the loop. I am saying that Joran only...says that Deepak wants to keep Satish out of the loop...according to info gleaned from the PVs."

"Deepak never said HE wanted to keep Satish out of the loop. When you read the book in English, you will see that those words came from Joran, as did many others that Joran credited Deepak with."

"Correct!!! Deepak at that point did not realize that Joran and others would screw him over bog time, and he used that to help Joran out."

"I have seen the written word, believe me. I have seen how Deepak was forced even to introduce Steve Croes story, which by the way, Deepak did not want to. TWO people were making sure that story was used!!! I have seen how Joran changed conversations he had with Deepak!!! They are in the Police files, and in the book too!!!"

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I think I've learned to speak Tiger.  :wink:

ROFL BT, that was my interpretation too...I don't know about the activated part either...

Paulus AND Freddy ??

I know of one such person, Kat  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: any takers?

Every story so far has Paulus' hands all over it.  So I will go with Paulus.  Freddy is an idiot.

I am curious if that video is worth looking at . Maybee it was put away and thought to have no importance. At the time the reporters probably thought it was all a big mixup.

Sounds right to me considering both Satish and Deepak filed the lawsuit against Dr Phil. Maybe I am totally wrong about this but I would have thought someone wanting to stay out of the public eye would avoid interjecting themselves in something such as a lawsuit.

I was thinking that one of the TWO was automatically Joran, but maybe. Will be interesting *when* that part of the book is translated.

Well congratulions Tiger on Girl Cub's wedding. Did you ever learn that there are 28 + shades of white ?

Yup Paulus!
Hello Monkeys!
Tiger, you lucky ducky ooops I mean Tiger, getting to go to Turkey.

I think it's a Boy Cub's wedding.

Me too. In the beginning of this case, I thought all three were involved in the demise.  As is has gone on, and a lot of info comes out....seems Joran is guiltier than ever. Do not get me wrong, I still think that the K2 brothers should be held accountable for getting Natalee in their car...kidnapping etc. But, were they there during the "something bad happened"?.. I dunno about that anymore.  I lean more toward Guido, and Paulus along w/Joran. But, that is just where I am at right now.

I agree on Paulus. And Freddy re: idiot. 8)

Just to show you all a reminder of what an assh**e  Joran is, you should see what he had the nerve to post on his fotolog page today! It is a picture , with the word spelled out on a fence
PENIS
And if you translate all the comments from Dutch to English, some of them say things such as: Penis rules! And :Penis is King
This page is Joran Van Der sloot's page, that has been verified, even though he took his name off, we have the screen capture, before he changed it.
http://www.fotolog.com/bananarepublik/

Let me add that I find it awfully strange that a suspect in a rape, kidnap, murder case, would plaster a picture w/ the word penis on the internet

Not odd for a sociopath. :twisted:

Off to watch Soprano's now.

True. Come back soon Klaass!

Unreal isnt it?? He is studying about graffitti/tagging and Natalee would be studying to be a doctor.(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/thbarf.gif)

Hi Monkeys,Angiex911dsptchr, bleachedblack, BTgirl, Buckeye, Kat_Gram, klaasend, MeMere, *******, San, sharon, tcumom, Easy and any others I missed.

Just finished watching the story of Pale Male. Have seen it before but it is so inspiring. Better than the Sopranos IMHO.
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Yup. And unreal that he is still walking around, like nothing ever happened.

My vote :  Paulus and Anita

The haj is a required visit to Mecca for the faithful.This as close as I get,to Mecca.It is a boy cub,a dragon

Hello Monkeys - Late today as I have been watching the Red Wolf Pups.  
No banana peels flying around over there. :wink:

BT sent you an email late yesterday

bb You at least got an answer!  I put forward a great theory on S/S a few days ago (so great that I cannot remember now what it was) and it got passed over completely.  That is the luck of the draw I suppose.

I agree we do get O/T a lot of times but if you put a comment in the lounge you have to wait ages for a reply, and I do not think all our monkeys check the lounge regularly.  Here in the LCD you can be lucky and get a immediate reply!

Easy They told that BB girl privately about her father just before her elimination.  Her brother was allowed in to talk to her first.

Kermit - for your collage:
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n151/IndyDan/Scared%20Monkeys/tedbundy.jpg)

I'm watching a Beach Boy special on PBS and I think a little over two years ago one of their songs was my introdution and also the extent of my knowledge about Aruba.

Tibro - Thanks for your email. I got it first time this time. Will be replying in the very near future.

Joran=Penis
(itsybitsyteenyweeny, IMHO)

dontcha know Joran loves the penis? Ask Guido  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  8)

Might explain his obsession with thinking everyone wants to give him  a BJ.  Delicious Sporter, his one and only BJ.  This family is beyond sick.

 :smt020 Aruba, Jamaica, oooh I wanna take you to Bermuda, Bahamas, come on pretty mama..... :smt020

 Hate for anyone to have nightmares .. but Elaine.. maybe you can post this there?   :lol:

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/SeeDickJK2Run.gif)


SAM  Good evening to you.. had to leave for a bit and finsh up cleaning here..  :roll:  Saved sons room for last.. <which he does clean himself.. but I have to do it myself sometimes.. lol>

 Lorenna Bobbit needs to get a hold of his thang!

Tibro
Please repeat your theory.  I remember you posting it, but I am certain I was dancing so fast I failed to comment...I really have to slow down.  :roll:

No worries Lala's.  I have forgotten what it was anyway so it could not have been earth shattering.  Will see if I can find it .... fossick..... fossick.....

Probably got the yellow polka dots by now also, Mishy

HUM,  my post evaporated.  Iwas sharing that I remember the song, and remember what beautiful Jamica was like in the 60's.  peaceful, beautiful, no major resorts with the exception of one far from Montego bay.  I spent 3 heavenly weeks there with my roomate.  I wouldn't step foot on Jamacia today.   so sad, it had such beauty and warmth.

LMAO!! I needed that Angie, thanks! :lol:  :lol:

That pink thing is skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrry.  That's a robotism...skeeeeery.  Where is that hunk o' metal anyway.  He sneaked into the cage early and then left.  Sneaky that Robots.

73 shades of white and 94 of black.Oh I have a special knife that can remove the vds from the gene pool.I think 41 chromosones are all they have.Nice picture of Ted

Hi Sam . I am lurking.........

Lala's - I cannot find it now  :roll:
Will post when I come across it again.
Beats me how Klaas finds things so fast. :shock:

I do not get Sopranos, I think it is on HBO, which I do not have.

Tibro wrote;



I must admit I am guilty of not frequenting the lounge on a regular basis. Sometimes I am good about it....then I slack off. I am better at checking out the missing perons thread. 8)

BB, you do a great job on that missing persons thread.

You find out how many shades of white and black there are when you have to match paintwork on a motor car  :lol:
Especially as they are not colours but absence of colour.

Envy you the trip to your boy cub's wedding.  Enjoy and stay safe.

I was just reading about Ted's background on the Crime Library thread yesterday. Nothing monumental about his past that I can say would have predicted such a monster......hhmmmm sounds familiar.  :evil:

That's alot of shades of black. Knew there were many Tiger as I wear alot of black . Also wear too many leopard and zebra prints. And shoes.
..
I don't get the Sopranos any more. They re arrange the channels here.
Used to, wow, was I shocked at the language at first.
..
Could rent the series, but it's a bit much all at once.
..

To Tiger:  Wishing you a very blessed, safe and easy Haj.  
INSHALLAH
Wasalom

Tibro - were you actually able to see the wolf cubs today? I didn't get a chance to check.

Thank you,if I see any of opps,I hope you can swim.I don't think he would be popular in Turkey,at all.They do not tolerate rapist.TeD was a smooth guy,who could talk,and escape from jail.Bad Driver,loved brown hair,Paris would be safe

i have never watched a complete show of the sopranos.....thought i would watch the series finale...figured it would really be good due to the big hype and all....omg....i just wasted an hour....i thought our cable or tv went out....do i see a movie in the future? :roll:

Yes I did see them and the mother wolf.  They were all about and not in a close group but seemed to keeping an eye on each other so they did not get out of sight.
The camera seems to be on an automatic set-up where it spends a few seconds on each different spot regardless of whether cubs are there or not.  Then you see the cubs and whoosh off it goes to the unattended water buckets and so on.   Makes for interesting viewing  :lol:  :lol:

See I told you the documentory on Pale Male was better than the Sopranos. :lol:

 Hi chicky..  :)

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Maybe they'll tweak that camera a bit and get more wolves in the picture. I'll have to take a look tomorrow.

Fly By! :)

Howdy BOC.

Any rain yet in your neck of the woods?

you were correct sam!
hey angie!....just doing a fly by since boc just brought it up
 :lol:  :lol:

You will see what I mean when you check it out.  Like one of those old time picture slide shows where they change the slides too quickly  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Where is Kermit with all these flies going by?

We have had some thunder storms which have helped!  Grandchildren spent last week here, but back in Cleveland now.

did i hear a ribbit? :wink:

sorry...for the fly by tib....feeling a little weary tonight!

Nothing here - still very, very dry.  :(

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Kermie is probably having a romantic evening with Miss Piggy.  :wink:

  LOL  
  I could have been at the Poconos today at the race..  shitty track.. but had free tickets and tryed my best to give them away all day yesterday.. Guess it was a good thing nobody took them..  due to the weather! We could not go.. too little notice!  :evil:

 Hey there BOC!

My daughter has several head of cattle which they say are in rough shape. They have two farms there at this time . Building a new home at hteir new farm.

:(  Feel better Cuz.. hugs to yah honey!

Hi Angie get your new catalog?

LMAO !   :wink:

I forgot to say- How are thongs?

Night monkeys. See you tomorrow. Mr. Toothbrush thanks everyone again for their birthday wishes.

Smoochies.

Later BT! :)

Hi Monkeys!  Just stopping in quickly, granson and daughter are still here and boy has he kept me on my toes!   We celebrated his 4th B-day today.

Anyways,  I happend to run across this and wasn't sure if anybody else had seen it, so if it's been posted, sorry.   I was reading on TMZ.com, when Natalee's name popped up.  I found it rather odd place for her name to appear.  So with further inspection, I found she's mentioned in the following book about victims.  No I will have to buy it, out of curiosity and it does look interesting

http://www.tmz.com
Did Secrets Screw Phil Spector?!
Posted Jun 10th 2007 2:56AM by TMZ Staff
Filed under: Celebrity Justice

Phil Spector had 'em. So did Scott Peterson and Natalee Holloway. In fact, some of the most sensational trials of the last several years can usually be traced back to one thing: secrets!

"We have secrets and we have the same secrets that criminals have," says Jane Velez-Mitchell, author of the new book "Secrets Can Be Murder." Jane tells TMZ, "Sometimes the only difference between a criminal and a law-abiding citizen is that somebody found out the criminal's secret."

In the book, Velez-Mitchell looks at cases of the likes of Spector, Holloway and Peterson -- and the secrets that made these stories so sensational. And Velez-Mitchell says there is an easy way to avoid having your secrets blow up in your face: "Honestly is always an option, even when you don't think it is." See, your mom was right!

Secrets Can Be Murder is available now. Jane will be signing copies of her book at Book Soup in West Hollywood on June 14 at 7:00 PM.

Book site:
http://www.secretscanbemurder.com/the_book.html

Respected television news journalist, Jane Velez-Mitchell, dissects our nation’s most fascinating recent trials and court cases, unearthing the disturbing secrets of criminals and victims and revealing how they mirror our own lives.
 
O.J. Simpson. JonBenet Ramsey. Robert Blake. Following sensational crimes has become a national pastime. Now veteran journalist Jane Velez-Mitchell goes behind the headlines to probe the dark secrets that lead to shocking crimes. Drawing on thirty years of experience as a reporter, Velez-Mitchell explores how many of us share the very same secrets as killers like Scott Peterson and Andrea Yates.

The author also illustrates how easily we can become victims like high schooler Natalee Holloway and honeymooner George Smith, both of whom mysteriously disappeared on vacation.

The secrets unearthed are about sex, class, pedigree, race, fetishes, family, religion, childhood trauma and abuse, money and addiction. But, as this book will continuously reveal, all these secrets have one thing in common: they’re poison. They make you sick inside. By seeing how and why the secrets in these cases turned so murderously toxic, we can learn how to extricate ourselves from the quicksand of secrecy and remind ourselves that honesty is always a viable option, even if it doesn’t feel that way.

Velez-Mitchell has weighed in on high-profile cases for CNN, Fox News, Court TV and MSNBC. Now, she goes deeper. Why can pregnancy trigger primal, violent urges in the father? Do we really know the depths of our spouse’s mental problems? When we accumulate debt do we become prone to desperate, unthinkable acts?

With never-before-seen photographs provided by victims’ families and friends, and court documents, search warrants and transcripts packed with shameful revelations, Secrets Can Be Murder will astound by showing us how little separates our so-called “normal” lives from that of a sociopath.

Nite Nite BT.  Tell Mr BT it will take a whole year before his next birthday  :lol:  (But the more birthdays you have, the faster the years go by)  :cry:

   :wink:  Things could be a hell of alot better BOC.. but TY for asking..lol
 Hope all is well with you and Mrs Boc!  :)

Nite BT and Mr. BT .

Thanks I will check that out!

Diana. TY !  Enjoy the grankids and hopw you are doing well~!  :wink:

Night to all monkeys and thank you for the wishes and blessing.All wedding are Secular in Turkey,so it will by a pool and have food and drink,lots of drink.I will taste the green fairy,so if i fly by,don't be suprised.Take care and have a blessed day,week,and month.Justice is coming,soon.special thanks to Muffy,Mishy,Bt,Klass,and mrs Red

G'night monkeys. Work and lurk/post is over...Blessings to you all...Have a safe pilgrimmage, Tiger and try and check in from time to time, if able...Shalom...

 Tiger.. Best wishes. have a safe trip~!!  Take pics!  We love pics!  :)
Congrats to the bride and groom to be!


I have a trivia question here  BUT.. does anyone recall which SM poster long ago.. posted to go eat a bug?   I was thinking about that for some reason. and dont recall.

Angie, I do believe that would be Justinsmama...take care fluffa!! Hugs til next time  :wink:

Also before I go, I wondered what the word INSHALLAH meant that Muffy posted to Tiger, so I looked it up. It's pretty cool, and IMHO says it all:

INSHALLAH

In ša? All?h (?? ??? ????) is an Arabic term evoked by Arabic speakers to indicate hope for an aforementioned event to occur in the future. The phrase translates into English as "God willing" or "If it is God's will".

I remember JustinsMama telling someone at one of the other sites to go eat a bug, Funny. I stole the expression. Use it once in a while.

Hi everybody

Tiger have  safe trip.

BB  Always read your post with interest.  Read everybody's.

Lala's  You have mail

 Hey Snoop Dawgy Dawg!  :)


KAT. Ty as well..  :)

Thank-you Snoopy .

Don't remember any bug eating requests from  posters.  :shock:

Have a great time!

  lol  :)  Its been awhile BB ..


Goodnight all.. and hugs to Nemo and Cp..

Hi Angie!!  Did your daughter have a wonderful birthday?

I think that was Justinsmama.

WW always had in her sig. line.......Do you want a ride......

That always ticked me off.  I told her a couple of times that no I did not want a gosh darn ride.

Goodnight Angie and anyone else I missed.

Are you sure?  I don't see any. Send it again, please.

Nite Snoopy and all others, as I am heading out too.

Oh tay. Dang I gotta type it again :lol:

Angie and Good Monkeys... O/T

Was hoping you'd be online now and here you are!!!! Had to take a neighbor without a car to TraderJoes near LAX and next door was a Crownbook Discount store!!!

The first book I found is a very nice $30 book I got for $1 and tomorrow I am going back and hopefully buy them all out of this Title" America's Heroes" Inspiring Stories of Courage, Sacrifice and Patriotism... all about Sept. 11

 Several pages on PA but does tell of the courage of the 911 operators and regular operators during the mission of Flight 93... it tells of a 911 operator :lol: who spoke with Todd Beamer. Her name is Lisa Jefferson. You might know here  :lol:  :lol:

Quotes of interest for we are here for Justice for Natalee: "This is the day when all Americans from every walk of life unite in our resolve for justice and peace" President Bush
and
"The time has come for us to re-establish the rights for which we stand---to re-assert our inalienable rights to human dignity, self-respect, self-reliance---to be again thekind of people who once made America great"--- J. Ollie Edmunds, poet

PS... I am a happy camper.. two of the books are on Sept 11 the rest are computer books.. got $300 worth of books including tax was $17.00 including 2 pair of sunglasses!!

Oh a customer told the checkout there was a bird in the back.. I told them I'd try to take it outside if they'd give me some plastic bags to bag it... it wasn't large and was trying to fly through the glass.. I did it and put in a safe area outside and then it tried to jump on the railing of the window and get back in.

Downside is most of the computer books have a CD and now I see they are only for Windows and I have Mac.. oh well..read on :lol:

Good night BB

Lala's I sent it again

Ibe  Good deal on the books!!   And from the story you shared with us the other day.......Thank God you are ok.  How scary.

Lala's  the email address I have for you is from long ago tds :wink:

That is correct. I will check it again.

Well hurry up woman!!  Just kidding.   :D

Gosh!  That's weird...I haven't got that one either.  Just like the one I sent Tylergal and she didn't get it.  Try this one...cindoal@yahoo.com

I keep getting the kaboom one for never cleaning your toilet again, but no Snoop Dawg.   :cry:

Oh diddly darn missed Angie.

I remember "go eat a bug" when I grew up in Indiana.

Well on to desert.. found some "Ginger Bread syrup" and putting it in milk.

anything happen over the weekend that I missed?  TIA

PS I found a $11 book for $ called "Civilization UNDER ATTACK" September 11. 2001  & beyond...an Astrolocial Perspective by Stephanie J. Clement, Ph.D.. if I find anything interesting I'll post it in the Lounge.

Snoopy
Is yours still the sbc one?  I have it still.

E-mail: hwolfson@bhamnews.com

Well g'night all. IBE don't wear your eyes out trying to read all those books at once !
And do not tell yer boss to go eat a bug !

I heard Monkeys were posting flies and bugs so I hurried over.

ribbit

ok

Thank you Indy for the picture.
 :wink:

I think Snoopy fell asleep.  :lol:

I messed up that post with my email.

cindoal@yahoo.com

Sorry. BTW I am not getting any email, would anyone that has time send me one at the one above so I can check it. TIA

Snoopy
I hope what ever it is you need isn't immediate. Doesn't look as if my email is working right now.  I promise when I get it I will answer you. Sorry.

Tiger,

Have a safe trip and wonderful time.

Yea, and I just sent it to the one you just posted above.  Emails are strange sometimes.  Klaas sent me one the other day and it took hours to get to me.

Good night Kat.  Usually I just tell me boss to kiss my arse.  He is my hubby though, and I'm his free cheap labor.   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Kermit If you ate fleas you could find a whole new career.

Oh I dab in reading.. switching between things.. Haven't read a whole book in a long time... spend time on the Internet and here.

Don't be making fun of my slowness  :roll:  :D

Lala... anything new lately with the Shango/Tango?

Did the Dutch sink back into the sunset?

I just sent you one also.  We will see who arrives first. LOL  I think I am going to hug Nemo and go read in the lounge and wait for my email from the Dawg.  :wink:

It's no big deal.  Just sumpin about who I think Simian is.  Who I always have thought.  Didn't want to post on the board cause I prolly ain't right :roll:  :lol:  :shock:  8)  (I think I am though)

Shango is from Florida and Simian could possibly be Clyde Burke in ALE.  The Dutch are missing in action and Robots is still cheating his way into the clean cages.  He just wants to be first all the time. I wrote him in my book.  I even have some new monkey pencils.

Well, don't you tell anyone else before I find out.  I think I should be first this time. LOL :wink:

Lala's got your email and replyed.  JMHO but the messenger is Clyde.  Simian is who Clyde contacts with information.

Snoopy
At this point in time anyone's guess is as good as the next.  What I want to know now is...who is Shango if it isn't Gabe Leo?

Good possibility.  So who do you think is Simian then?

Yes, yes, yes.  You are thinking what I am thinking...I just know it.

Don't know.  :roll:   8)

our friend..............

Skewwwwy.  :shock:  :shock:

I don't have much to say round here anymore, but I still work on things.  We want Natalee back.

Can you be more specific?  :lol:  If you would rather not I understand.  But it's not obvious to me who you are referring to.

um...........how many friends we got on that island?  I'll email ya if ya don't get it.

I can guess who you are thinking of but personally, I do not believe it.

Well, it doesn't look as if my email is coming anytime soon.  So I guess I will get to bed and check on it later.  If you want to tell Snoopy go ahead, if not I will get back to as soon as my email arrives and then we will discuss it and see what happens from there.

Aw come on man!!!!  I worked on this friggin thing forever  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:   JK

You have mail.

Klaas that is.  Geez.

Has Easy heard anything from Jossy lately?  We need some news.

If you were sending me an email I don't have anything yet. :wink:

hhhmmmm  maybe it's my email that is messed up.

I was reading over at BFN and there were 2 post from Jack (blue) about some theory on Shango as well as sayings I copied and brought them here because I found them so interesting.

jack
Hero Member

Posts: 2086


    Re: Simian on Janus.....
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Mary could be a married woman or boat.
The lamb NH
Croes has a wife, as does PVs
A consort can be a son of a queen or husband of the queenof or can be used as a friend
Drax is a destroyer
DNA could be Drugs and Alcohol
Writings done in nautical terminology and Biblical type English
maze can be a safe passageway to anchor or land a boat or ship
bouy toll is a warning
Shivas are body guards,
Babalu is like a host or DJ or court jester (MC type)
Post is in nautical and otherwise:  a place of duty, especially like on a ship or military duty.  A post can be made into a log book as well.
Rolling  movment on the waves usually in a boat of some sort.
Road not paved could easily be to a boat by water on a smaller watercraft.  Or a place such as a cave where the road that leads there is
hard to find or comes from a home or business that would allow entrance from their place. (rave cave)
If DRAX scores  It could mean there was a death, or the music scored another casualty by ensnaring them into the web.  Hopefully it is the later.
The lamb ran bleating  The lamb was made a goat.  The victim is blamed
There is not an adult Vandersloot there that would be a lamb.  We know that
The lamb went back into the fold.  She may have made it to what she thought was safety and the VS friends in PD and Security (cromvoits) turned her back over.
Maze  When surfing the threads you are in a boat or whatever going through the maze of dangers to get to an anchoring place or if small enough craft, on the beach where possibly another 'hidden from view' entrance to the cave is.
The Great House:  in Egypt a pyrimid, in Aruba, possibly the highest point on the island where well may be passageways and large enough to have cars inside. Also there is a term in Aruba for 'the great house' used to indicate the house where those in charge live surrounded by the small houses of those of service or slaves if they are hiding slaves there who serve those of the 'Great house"

There is something there.  What?  Someday we will know.        blue

This is the other post from Jack




jack
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Quote from: Aristotle on December 03, 2006, 10:01:02 AM
Yes but the rotten package never came from the Hague.  Shango took liberty in mocking Simian for being wrong -- makes you wonder whose side each was on?


Simian is a person.  Shango is not and does not care who is wrong or right.  According to the rule they go by.  Shango was summoned and told it as he could explain in his ageless speech.  The person getting the message gave it to someone to "get out."  For bothering this being there will be 46 sacrifices. There must be rules that those spiritualists go by to conjure up this being.  No doubt according to those rules Shango has to speak and tell the one summoning him what is asked of him.  Then the balance to that world has to be put in order.  Who the sacrifices or what they will be........good or bad is only a concern to those it happens too.  Shango is compelled to speak the truth to the summoner.  Shango cannot lie, but because he was disturbed it upset the balance of that world.  That is why people do not even need to try to communicate as the Bible warns against it.  Those in that religion do communicate at times but a price is paid.  They all need to get saved and be protected from all that force and learn the right way.  That is all for now on this.  

This does sound a bit odd, I suppose, but admit it:  This whole case is odd.
Those spiritual beings are bound to where they are for an eternity or until otherwise dealth with by the Father.  All that is so far older than we all are that it is impossible for us to see or understand, let alone deal with and control.  It is way beyond our earthly control and we have no business dabbling into it.  Just read and try to understand what you read, and if you cannot not, do not worry about it as we were not meant to.        jack

Thanks... there are only 6 huge books on Java, the iMac, IE, Dynamic HTML then the one on 9/11 and the astrology on on that date. Finished the 9/11 one already..(it had lots of great, sometimes sad pictures of courage)

Thanks Snoopy, I am happy to be here to and with the Monkeys too.

Sorry Lala... was reading a dab in the astrology book I found about Sept 11 found some things that go "hmmmm"

See like Robots and your pencils are the only things to count on. Do you pencils have monkeys on them too :lol:

Thanks for the update... I am behind in Thread reading.

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
24ora
http://www.24ora.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl

Muffy,Allaha Ismarladik,thanks to all monkeys.hope to be back,someday

Will miss you Tiger.....look for Internet Cafes....leave a message...!
Been to those week long weddings...they wear you out...but are lots of
fun.... :D

Never mind Tiger...don't be looking for Internet Cafes in Turkey.... :shock:

Need to read more of what I just googled.

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Hi BT....just googled another way and found good info on Internet Cafes...so strange...the first information talked about various countries that were banning internet cafes....sorry.... :?

Tiger - Have a safe trip and a fun time.. I know you wil

Good morning monkeys!

son has laptop,so i may be able to read.if i bump into the sporter,i will give him a hearty monkey welcome,like gth,you rapist

Good morning.

Thank god this guy had a bat and was able to defend himself or he may be dead right now.  Too bad he didnt have a gun and maybe the perp would be dead rightg now.

I hope they find the attacker before some innocent person gets killed....

http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070611/NEWS04/70611005

I just love that expression Go Eat a Bug
It's funny and to the point ! !

Morning, Monkeys!

Been really busy lately but have been lurking a bit!
I don't have much to contribute to the ShangoTango so I've just been reading!

Babalu is like a host or DJ or court jester (MC type)

..
In Dave's book, Babalu was a poster on the blogs. The Simian reference to Babalu opening a window, according to the book was that Babalu had guessed something correctly. Whatever that was.
Drax was also the name of a poster ?

I too am anxious for news. It must be the two year mark where we expected something ot have happened by this date.
..
There is the water search coming up.. that is a postive thing.
My concern was that Dompig was the source for quite a bit of the info, but all the info that the family has is not public for good reason ( future court proceedings, etc ) . Whenever Dave was interviewed he played his cards pretty close to the vest sometimes.
..
Whatever is happening with the KLPD and the NFI well, people are just guessing. Glenda, etc, they know nothing about what the NFI has done / is doing.  
.
I am going back to not looking at those other places, it is too upsetting ..the things they come up with. Could win a fiction award.

Morning monkeys.  

If you guys are going to tango with me....you have to keep your Simian and Shango straight. LOL

Shango and Babalu converse on the identity of dirty hand.  Not Simian...it's a slight mistake anyone could make that isn't familiar with all that riddle and verse.  I will forgive this once, besides I have misplaced my pencils this morning.  I think Snoopy hid them from me last night while I was waiting on her email...sneak!

Reposting ...

Posted by Richard on the front page of SM 5/23/07:




If you’re interested, go to:
SM ATA Travel Show thread, page 6 (scroll down) -
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1003&start=100

Hilton Neworleans – Riverside – web site:
http://www1.hilton.com/en_US/hi/hotel/MSYNHHH-Hilton-New-Orleans-Riverside-Louisiana/index.do
Two Poydras Street, New Orleans, Louisiana
Tel: 1-504-561-0500
The hotel faces the Mississippi River and is “right at” the French Quarter.

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Per Richard, a condo is available June 27 - June 29.

Per Vicki, a few people from BFN are going (two females that I know of). The signs from the Miami show are available.

Donations ($$) also are appreciated, for the cost of flyers, permit fee, maybe parking etc. (not travel/lodging).

* * *

Good morning, Monkeys. No news, I guess ...  :cry:

Red again?  Geez!! :roll:

I wonder if Glenda is a bit worried about what they ARE doing?

I see I ran everyone off...if promise not to tango will you guys come back?  I can talk videos if you want?  Or PV's?  

Please....don't tell Red everyone left me.

Hiya Lala's!  I am here, just working and lurking... I imagine there are others lurking too.

I just don't know what to say.  I wish I could tango with you, but I am not really good at that... I can only say Uh huh, Oh yeah?  Oh!   :D

Well Excuse Me she says in a Steve Martin fashion ! ! !  :lol:  :lol:
I am throwing myself at your mercy ! ! Not the pencils please !!! Oh No , the pencils ! !
Where are all the Simian posts ?

You are forgiven.  They are in Natalee Holloway thread about halfway down.  That is the real Simian posts.

I can't dance today.  Too depressed.  Shouldn't clutter the LCD with this but there's nothing going on anyway.

I have to have some surgery on Wednesday.  It turns out as I was busy having ovarian cancer, something else was busy expanding on my right adrenal gland.  Since I've had 3 CT scans, they've been watching it.  Now whatever it is is more than 6 cm which means it has to come out.  

Good news for me is we know it is not a pheochromocytoma.  You medical types know what that means.   And it's on the right and not the left (bigger structures in the way).  But it has to come out.

Ovarian cancer doesn't usually spread to the adrenal glands.  From my CT scan, it appears the ovarian cancer has gone packing.  And that's great.   But what is this thing on my adrenal gland?  

I guess I'll find out on Wednesday.  My surgeon's plan is to try to get this out laparoscopically.  If that doesn't work, then they will convert to an open procedure.   How exciting.  

Alrighty then.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Peaches
You know we are here for you.  You have become my hero in all that you have gone through.  Right this moment I am praying for a good outcome and I know everyone else is going to be doing the same.  You are not alone. We love you.

Oh Peaches, how disappointing for you.  It is good they found it however,  and can take a proactive stance though.  I know you are not looking forward to more surgery, so we will pray the laparoscopic technique will work for you.  I am sorry this is happening to you, you really have been through enough.

Sorry to hear that Peaches. Hope that it can be done the easier way and that they will get it all.

 Peaches,
 Ditto to Lalas post. We all love yah and you are going to be fine!!
Keeping you in my prayers sweety!
Have a good day everyone.. gotta get ready for work here shorlty.

What Lala's said Peaches.  I will say a prayer that your surgery will go well and I'm sure everything will be fine.

Peaches ... if you let Him ... God will grant you both strength and peace as he carries you through the storm.  Just reach up.

Sincerely, Janet


FOOTPRINTS IN THE SAND

One night a man had a dream. He dreamed
he was walking along the beach with the LORD.

Across the sky flashed scenes from his life.
For each scene he noticed two sets of
footprints in the sand: one belonging
to him, and the other to the LORD.

When the last scene of his life flashed before him,
he looked back at the footprints in the sand.

He noticed that many times along the path of
his life there was only one set of footprints.

He also noticed that it happened at the very
lowest and saddest times in his life.

This really bothered him and he
questioned the LORD about it:

"LORD, you said that once I decided to follow
you, you'd walk with me all the way.
But I have noticed that during the most
troublesome times in my life,
there is only one set of footprints.
I don't understand why when
I needed you most you would leave me."

The LORD replied:

"My son, my precious child,
I love you and I would never leave you.
During your times of trial and suffering,
when you see only one set of footprints,
it was then that I carried you."

Peaches!   (((hugs))).  Dag nab it.  Sometimes it seems like it is always something.  I am SURE everything will turn out just fine.  

I will hold you up in my prayers for a full recovery and good report.  I KNOW in my heart everything will be fine.

Thank you all.  I will have Mr. Peaches check in here on Wednesday nite.  I have to check in at 930a for an 11:30 a.m. surgery so by the time he leaves the hospital, he'll have some news.  

I hate to have to have surgery again.  My surgeon is a great guy.  He put in my chest port that I was using for chemo so it's not as if we're not acquainted.  Doesn't make it any better though.  It's still surgery and regular anesthesia.

Can somebody fill me in on Sunfreak's situation??

Peaches...prayers and hugs....you will do well....!

Sun talked to us recently....good news for her...localized to the area...needs surgery to clean up the edges....she is happy.  Will see if I can find the post.

Peaches ~ I'm just crushed to hear your news...but, with all of us behind you, you're gonna make thru just fine ~ With all of our positive thoughts and prayers to Him, you will be a-okay.  Thanks for having your hubby keep us posted Wednesday.  Many hugs.

From what I understand Sunfreak had good news.  The cancer is confined to her arm and that seems very treatable at this time.  I am so happy for her.  She has been through a lot lately also.

Peaches

From Sunfreak....her post on Friday....

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:06 pm    Post subject:    

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OFF TOPIC

I had my whole body pet scan and nothing lit up. YIPPEE! I'm a stage IIB confined to that one spot on my my right forearm near my elbow. The next step is to to go bcak to surgery and clear the margins. The ONC is looking into entering me in a vaccine trial for people at my stage. I am ECSTATIC over this news.

   ::::::doing the monkey happy dance::::::

I am headed to work now, so everyone can talk without me. LOL  Be back later...but I will be lurking at work.

Peaches!

What AZSunny said.

You sure have been through enough already.

Prayers that this goes as easily as possible for you.

{{{hugs}}}

Peaches - I'm so sorry to hear about this - {{{ Peaches }}}. Really hoping that the invasive surgery won't be required; that's half the battle right there ...

SunFreak had pretty good news; Stage IIB, apparently meaning it's contained to the area of the melanoma. Further surgery at the spot  (margins?) which will be fairly drastic, considering - a 3 or 4 inch diameter hole in her arm. Plus some further treatment, but that I'm not clear about. I talked to her Friday night and she sounded really upbeat.

Peaches I am truly upset by this news. However, I will pray that it is nothing serious and that all turns out well.

I'll be thinking of you.
With all us Monkeys saying our prayers for you, you should be just fine!

Peaches~
I'm so sorry to hear this afterall you've been thru'. Sending you lots of {{{{hugs}}}}  I'm joining the others and prayers are going up for you for all to go well with the laprascopic surgery. Hoping & praying for a complete recovery as well.

Roos~

Peaches -

Stay strong through the final turn.  Since you've known about this for a bit, the good news is you won't have to worry about it anymore once it's out.  Best wishes for a "light" surgery procedure...and a speedy recovery.

Annie.

p.s. Janet, I just LOVE your posts.  They calm my soul amidst my own trials and tribulations!   :wink:

Peaches,

Echoing what everyone else has said, I, too, am so sorry you have to go through this.  We all love you & your spirit, so don't let this get you down.  I'll be praying that the outcome will be a good one.

Annie ... we are all travelling down this road call life together and ... some of the bumps in the road are impossible to navigate on our own strength.  It is then that we reach out to other for support ... we reach out to God for the strength and peace that only He can give ... "the peace that passes all understanding".

Annie ... today you encouraged me with your words.  Thank you.

Janet

http://www.24ora.com/  06/11/2007



Online Pap translation:

tourist owing to fayece at the mill resort monday morning one person is come come across cu the curpa without life of one person. this owing to sosode at the mill resort. is deal here of one tourist cu nacionalidad americano cu inoficialmente we can compronde owing to die acausa natural. doctor owing to come at the sitio for so constata dead.

* * *
American tourist found dead at Mill Resort today (Monday 6/11/07). Unofficially understood to be natural causes.

Peaches,

I know this is disappointing and I wish I could give you a huge hug right now, but please remember because of all this vigilance and heads-up by your doctors they are catching this sooner than later. It's all about managing it, it doesn't make it any easier for you to endure, but they caught it and perhaps early enough to keep this laproscopic. God blessed you thusfar and God will again, I'm praying for that for you and your sweet family. Godspeed and we all are with you !

O/T but the Inverness country club in Tuscaloosa is on fire, these fires are spreading closer in AL to structures, all of our AL and TN monkeys along with GA please be safe and careful !

I really dont think she has the ability to "act smart"

Peaches

Prayers from this end, also.  Sounds like you are in good hands. You certainly have contributed your share to the medical profession, this last year.  :wink:

This is like Joran saying he will no longer lie (no can do).

Sunny!  It's good to see you!  How have you been?

Lively Case Discussion #638 * ~50 pages per thread * 20 posts per page = ~638,000 posts

 :shock:

or about 1,000...not sure what you mean by this...

there have been 638 lively's and they have each had about 1,000 posts each for a total of about 638,000 posts in the lively discussion threads alone.   I just felt that was a pretty large number.

Must have been the food chatter  :lol: .

Peaches  you know you are one of my heros=.  You really are.  We will be here for you.  Visualizing.....praying......whatever you need.  You are going to be fine.  I'm so sorry you have to go through this, b ut we are here standing with you.

SunnyinMO.........where ya been girl.  I never heard from you.  You was supposed to let me help you.  :wink:

 Hi Casa...I've been doing much better...after slowly recovering from fracturing my back and tailbone in Nov....we have now moved to just outside of St. Louis.....moved in on Wednesday....and are surrounded by boxes....I check in frequently to keep up with Natalee and with all the SM's...thanks for asking

Next think you know they will be giving rooms away!   :wink:

Shermans top 25 travel is offering 6 nights at the Westin in Aruba, including  airfare for $699.  (they say that is 50% off)   :lol:  :lol:

Keep talking Joran, you are doing a wonderful job representing stinkhole island  :lol:

Sunny...let me help you.  I will be gone until Saturday evening.  Sunday I need to have my father-in-law over for dinner after church, but then I can help you all you need.  I really mean that.  Actually that is one of the things we do for a living.  Pack people up, and then move them back in.    Well usually the've had a fire, but the principle is the same .   :D I'm quicker than lightning.  :D

met some folks (family of 4....mom and dad in their early 40's, 2 daughters 13 and 14) this past weekend who went to Aruba...HATED every minute of it.....said they were offered drugs nearly everyplace they went, males were hitting on the wife and their 2 teen age girls....husband even walked the girls to the restrooms, said the locals drove like they were nuts..the beaches were beautiful...but no more beautiful that many other caribbbean islands naming St. Kitts and Nevis...hated the desert part of the island....but more importantly they felt the locals were only friendly if you were spending $$$$'s..first and last trip for this family

Hi Snoopy!  I can't wait to hear about your cruise!!  We are doing pretty good actually.....the house was full this weekend.....the problem is trying to decided what we need and what wew don't need....moving 3,000 sq ft to 17oo is a challenge..will email you so as not to take up SM space..gotta meet for lunch at the Blue Owl soon!!

That sounds wonderful!! Can't wait to hear from you!!   Welcome neighbor!!   The Blue Owl is one of the best!! I can't even imagine downsizing.  I wouldn't know what to part with.  Especially having had 2 full kitchens.  I've gotton so spoilt. :oops:

GoodDay Monkeys :)

Just peeeeknnnn in for a bit..

Peaches
sorry you have to go through this and things will be fine
BTW  
Make sure Mr. Peaches knows how to check in here on Wednesday nite & POST  :shock:  an update for us..  Yes you are going to have to give him your password :lol:
You might want to have written directions & maybe even screen prints available OR  even have him make a "practice post" or two sometime (while you watch over his shoulder)  :roll:

Some waiting rooms have internet connections. (hint.. hint).
[[ Hugs]]
OldF

That would involve never opening her mouth again.   :roll:  She says she's found God and wants to be spiritual and do spiritual things.  Okeedokee.  Whether we want to or not, we'll see what she does when she gets out.  
I have to wonder if she'll have her "people" do it for her or if she do something spiritual and altruistic herself.  Ok, one last  :roll:

Peaches, prayers and healing thoughts and lots of love coming your way.  If there are times when you're scared or don't feel you can be strong, try imagining the "footprints in the sand" poem -- visualize God actually carrying you.  I do stuff like that sometimes and it often helps.

It would be slow season for Aruba, I think, so along with the downturn in travelers the low rates aren't surprising.  Glad to hear that someone besides Dave and his brothers will admit there are drug dealers approaching people in Aruba.  That's how Jamaica got its bad rep years ago and it got worse over the years.  

I hope our sources in Aruba are keeping us posted about the Dutch investigators.  The lack of activity makes me think they're going to put it on the cold case shelf and are waiting for a diversion in the US, like a hurricane or something to announce it.   :x

My feelings of Aruba exactly, but i didn't find the locals at all welcoming. But that was just one day a year and a half ago. I will not be returning ever.  

We are cruising in Nov. and going to St. Kitts and Nevis.  So beautiful there.

What SunnyTX  is now SunnyMO :shock:

And the St. Louis area as at least 3 Monkeys Snoopy, SunnyTX & LdStLou.  Sounds like a Monkey party in the making  :lol:

Are you considering crossing the border to join them?   :shock:

 :lol:

There used to be 3 monkeys in Chattanooga, but two of them disappeared. We haven't heard from Cochese in a long, long time, and once upon a time there was a teacher at our local university who used to post also.

I must say I'm not feeling too optimistic by the lack of any developments from Aruba.  I don't think they'll ever call the case "closed" - they'll just never say another word about it unless Tim Miller finds Natalee.  

The Kalpoes may have miscalculated against Dr. Phil - if they can't keep up their end of the lawsuit and decide to drop the charges, could Dr. Phil sue them for "frivolous lawsuit" or something like that?  Even if that occurred, not sure we would learn any more about anything.

FRUSTRATED IN CT!
BOYCOTT ARUBA FOREVER.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

LilPuma
I checked out where the "Blue Owl" is located..  and it is only about 120 miles away... almost all interstate miles ....So you just never know :wink:  :lol:

It’s getting very hard for many of us to maintain optimism about any of this.  At first it looked like the Dutch team had really done their homework and was in Aruba to follow-up some solid leads.  Then nothing!  They will probably issue a report saying that something happened, but the investigation was so screwed up in the first two weeks that there is nothing that they can do now.  Looks like Paulus had it all figured out from the get go……

We may not learn anymore if they drop the suit.. but i do hope they would have to at least pay for all atty.& court costs.    The K's may not be eligible for $ reward for providing information... but they may have someone they trust that would be ..  :roll:  (hopefull thinking here)

Lack of activity = they arent do anything until they see if Tim Miller finds anything.  If not, case will be declared cold and they will never speak of it again.

I think it is highly unlikely that TES will be able to find anything but they have to at least give it one last shot.

I know we've all said this a million times but I'd just like to reiterate that Paulus and Anita VanderSloot totally disgust me....even more so than the PIMPS.  I want them to go down even more than the others.  They ARE or WERE the adults after all.  

I was saying to my husband last night while watching DateLine about that guy imprisoned for rape/murder that the thing that keeps me here is wanting so very badly to see Ma and Pa VDS go down.  The PIMPS too, of course.  But particularly these disgusting, pathetic excuses for parents who are complicit in the cover-up of a crime.

OK...rant over.   :evil:  :evil:

This is the most brilliant thing I have seen posted in a week....

After TES concludes one way or the other, the investigation will be over. The KLPD are not going to close the case with Tim Miller on his way. If they did and TES found Natalee they would look even more incompetent. They'll wait for Tim and they decide after that.

It all comes down to this----

If Natalee is found... suspects are charged.

If Natalee is not found... case closed.

I wonder if Tim Miller's finding "THE FISH CAGE" will do anything, even if there are no remains left.  But won't there be skeletal remains?  I'm not sure she's out there, but I hope to God if she is, she's found.

Does Tim Miller have permission to be in Aruban waters - or will they be doing everything from just across the state lines?

Tim Miller seems optimistic that if she is in a cage in deep water that she would be preserved fairly well.   He said the cold water temp, lack of ultraviolet rays and limited fish life in the area would mean her remains have a good chance of being preserved.

On the other hand, he may have just been saying this to make certain suspects nervous.

Well Monkeys I'm out of here for a while...

something I'v been wondering about that maybe some of our more Legal minded Monkeys can kinda answer.

The names for the PV's (statements) that are part of the Dr. Phil case..
Why did these names appear?  Does it include all PV's or only those that presents a slanted argument?

Then... since my memory is failing more & more
What was the Gardener's and Junior's real name?
When did A.G. post the story of her friend seeing the K's car at 2:00am?

I know a lot of questions  Sorrry :oops:
TIA

SeeeYaaaByeeee

What did you think about that Dateline?  By the end of it I was still kind of scratching my head.

I agree Annie.  Paulus and Anita are disgusting.

Anita wants to say in an interview Joran is not safe in Aruba.  Well why not Anita.  How come Anita and Paulus are safe in Aruba.  What makes them different from their monster son.

Quite honestly I think Joran doesn't want to stay in his apartment because he is being haunted at what happened in there.  Anita is using a pity excuse and she is FOS.

Me too Easy!  The fact that the sperm DNA didn't rule him out left me wondering about him - but it didn't conclusively prove anything about his involvement either.

I will say that one big thing that has me believing he was innocent is that no black hairs - from the head or other areas(!) - were found anywhere.  One has to believe that after a violent rape and attack, there would be hair somewhere on the bed, floor, bathroom rug, etc.  So, I ended up thinking he was innocent.

San - We've seen eye to eye from Day 1.  :wink:

Lookout Sheriff - Sharpton is in town.  You better make a big enough donation or else......

I’m not the only one concerned about the deafening silence coming from these Dutch cops.  What else can we think?  As far as anyone knows they have not been re-interviewing any of the people we have seen listed and they have not been out digging in the sand.  So, if they are just going though the files again, why?  Those files were sent to the Netherlands a long time ago!

TES is the only hope right now and if Natalee was put into a container and taken out to sea, there is a chance something will be found.  But that is a big IF……

Oldfart you'll have to get together with us.  I can tell you that Sunny and LdStLou are a hoot!!

which is the most obvious thing that needs to be done - if they were REALLY conducting an investigation.

Besides, this case is really not that complicated - if they were really investigating, it would have bee over after the 1st 2 weeks.

Well there ya go.  Nice day trip!!!  :D

I was thinking he was innocent too, but at the end it left some questions.  At least the crazy guy is still locked up.   :shock:

I agree with whoever said it earlier - it is all in Tim's hands now.  If there is going to be any chance for justice for Natalee - only Tim Miller can bring it now.

That's what bothers me too.  The PV's we have seen looked like they were just left hanging.  My first thought would be to start calling people back in and ask what do you mean by this, this and this!  That whole thing with the car guy just creeps me for some reason and it was just dropped.

I don't get any of it anymore!

Peaches - hang in there girl.  You're one of the toughest ladies I know and hopefully you're finding strength in all the love and support behind you here.  You've certainly had your share of bad luck but you're a rock to all of us with your attitude and positive outlook.  Hurry back.

I'm still holding out for the Dutch to do what's right and the fact that they are still on the Island gives me hope.  When I hear they've left and nothing happens shortly thereafter, I'll throw in the towel that the VanDerSloots got away with Murder.
I have never hated people that I've never met so much as these savages.

Father guilty of "honor killing"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,280814,00.html

These sick bastards who commit these "honor murders" do not even deserve a friggen trial.  Gunshot to the back of the head on the spot and spare everyone the pain of a trial.  His own daughter. POS. Animal.

The Dutch team has not, repeat, HAS NOT done a definitive investigation until they interview the prime suspects: period.

There are so many inconsistancies in their statements and so many NEW inconsistancies from Joran alone since the last time he was officially interviewed, that need to be probed! If those statements are not picked apart and re-put to those who made them in an analytical manner, then this whole thing has been a sham.

The answers to revealing questions IS ENOUGH to indict on criminal charges, and that circumstantial case has grown tremendously in volume since the 3 were jailed, thanks primarily to Joran. If Joran's embellishments and conflicting accounts are left to just sit there, then it tells me that this whole "search for forensics, 2 years after the fact," is as much a front and cover-up as the original investigation.

I am not feeling so delicious about this dutch investigation either. :?
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/protest2.jpg)

that sign translates to "family Holloway go home and bury your head in the sand like the rest of us"

That photo makes my blood boil!
ARUBA: RESPECT HUMAN LIFE!!: ESPECIALLY IF IT"S AMERICAN!
Screw that Hell hole.  :twisted:

Right! Bury your head in the sand, 'cause we aren't going to give you back your loved ones we murdered, for burial! And we're not going to hold anyone accountable either! :twisted:
Screw that Hell Hole.

Turista a fayece na The Mill Resort      
Monday, 11 June 2007  

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/jun2007/jun%209%20-%2012/themill%20front.JPG)

Dialuna mainta un persona ta bin topa cu e curpa sin bida di un persona. Esaki a sosode na The Mill Resort. Ta trata aki di un turista cu nacionalidad Americano cu inoficialmente nos por compronde a muri acausa natural. Dokter a bini na e sitio pa asina constata morto.

Through pap translator - I think it says an American tourist is found dead at the Mill Resort from natural causes:

monday morning one person is come come across cu the curpa without life of one person. this owing to sosode at the mill resort. is deal here of one tourist cu nacionalidad americano cu inoficialmente we can compronde owing to die acausa natural. doctor owing to come at the sitio for so constata dead. come across

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/932/5/

I think the biotch is saying "Beth, don't rock the boat!"  I wonder if she has any daughters, or granddaughters that have been passed around on the island like a piece of chit for the use of a bunch of chit-heads?

we need to start having brain storming sessions to generate ideas of ways to kick the boycott up a notch or 2.

Do they name the American tourist?  Did the natural causes have anything to do with a rope and a balcony?

EASY - chances are this was a heart attack or something but who knows?  Maybe you could ask Jossy and see if he knows anything about it?

THey had some other great signs when they were protesting vs beth and the american media. Some of them said she was in brazil partying. Oduber went on record that he was initiating a group to protect there tourism just days after NH dissapeared.

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(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/protest1.jpg)
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Dumb bitch.  She reminds me of the woman cheering for Joran when he was coming out of the court going into the police van.

My God! Oh, My God!  :cry:
That's in Britain, from the Muslim invasion that has happened there!

I'm getting to the point that I want us to just assign all of our troops to our borders and leave no possible hole. Give all illegals 90 days to leave, then put 'em out. We don't need anymore cab drivers or 7/11 cashiers. Tell the rest of the world that we'll never "interfere" again...........with their insurgents, their needs, their anything: cut off all foreign aid and develop our own fuel sources...............the Caribou in Alaska will just have to cope.
We need the isolation time to reflect anyway, and remind ourselves that we have Moral and Spiritual foundations and fuel our light to burn a little brighter, The rest of the world can just watch the light in the distance and wish!

I know......I'm ranting, but this so angers me.............and breaks my heart!

where is Joran?

I've read on some of the other blogs where people were planning trips to Aruba and was just wondering if the name might be familiar.

Hi Monkeys!!
RU had the nerve to make fun of our boycott signs , Look at this nice sign Aruba has...ROFLMAO!! A box ripped open and inside out!! :smt044  :smt044

Easy ... further questioning of Joran, Deepak and Satish is not going to  happen.  In September 2005 an Aruban court reversed the conditions of Joran, Deepak and Satish's release which dictated that the suspects would have to be available for further question.  In December 2005 ... when Joran came home from Holland for Christmas break ... the planned further questioning of the suspects did not happen.  Somehow Steve Cohen and Gerold Dompig were not aware of the unconditional release.  However ... Antonios Carlo ... Joran's attorney .... clarified the situation and ... Natalee’s family was took another plunge while riding that emotional roller coaster from H---.

The prosecutor is going to have to decide whether or not to try Joran, Deepak and Satish or ... close the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

Until they dig up the newly poured concrete in the Sloot back yard I am not satisfied with this Dutch investigation.  I know they had their special equipment but to me it doesn't mean a thing until I see it with my own eyes.  Dig up the pool.

Look's like Aruba changed when the last american was murdered back in the late 90's. Ever since then it has been all suicides,accidents or they just vanished.

We know we won't get anything out of those three except for more confusion.  I was talking about the other PV's we have seen that just seem to stop.  Like the car guy.  Why was he talking to Deepak about how much money Natalee had with her?  Why were the cops asking a car guy if Deepak had a girlfriend?

That's just one example.

I'm trying to understand, but just don't get it. How could the Dutch team have authority to enter the VDS property, dig up their yard, presumably against their wishes, and not possess the authority to ask questions. They removed Deepak from his home temporarily while they entered his home.

If this Dutch investigation (and I use that term loosley) is not a farce - why have they not invited the FBI to participate in every aspect?  Why werent FBI forensic teams brought to van der sloot dump?

You would think they would want every available resource to help solve this crime, wouldnt you?

If they CAN'T question the 3 prime suspects, then they need to move on to charges and trial date, because the questions and conflicting statements are enough to make a trial worthy and conviction probable. Interrogate them in court while they are criminally charged.

I think this was just some bullshit Dompig made-up as an excuse as to why he didnt re-question Joran during the Christmas break like he promised to.  I find it very difficult to believe that the main suspects in a missing person's case cannot be questioned.

Osman Farouk Osman of Osman Automotive Enterprises N.V.
Interrogation was likely a result of the J2K recorded confrontation in the back of the Police car in which Joran refers to Automotive Enterprises.  

Are we missing Osman's original statement taken on July 20th?

While looking through various pictures, on line, I notice more and more  pics that appear NOT to be US people.  I don't want to stereotype, and I could be wrong, but I think a lot of their tourist numbers are S. American.

In this country there have been some successful “no body” cases, but there has usually been some type of forensic evidence.  Even with that those cases were tough for the prosecution, because reasonable doubt could be made abundant.

Aruba making that happen in front of one Dutch judge just doesn’t sound very likely to me and if they get off it is over, because they do have double jeopardy rules similar to the U.S.’s.

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uh ohhhh
Does Bill O'Rielly have some dirt on Hillary???

Probably relatives of Chavez...checking the place out :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:

Easy? I'm afraid that with a Dutch or Aruban investigation that is in charge of bringing charges, it's over anyway. Given a choice, I'd choose to at least put the questions to them in court and have the media expose the obvious, anyway.

I'm at work and heading out. I'll check back in later!

I think it is quite obvious who should have been question first. Everyone knows that Van Der Straaten and PVDS have been good friends for at least 20 years. Jan worked for PVDS back in the early 90's. PVDS literally has gotten away with murder with things like being allowed to change Joran's statements.

They weren't even truthfull when any of them were taken off the case. Lets look at Jan for a example. He was in the middle of this for a long long time as we were told he was retiring to holland. He currently is the Police Commissioner in Bonaire.

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You know, I guess I always thought that if the Dutch were serious and they really wanted to find these people guilty but yet just didn't have anything they could use in a court of Aruban law.  At least, at the very least they should have destroyed the VDS backyard, digging up concrete the whole nine yards.  At least send the message that we know you are murderers and your son is a rapist.  You may get away with it but here's the price you're gonna pay.

No media in the courts in Aruba, so we would just be where we are now.

They have a long time to charge them, if something turns up one of these days.  If they do it now, fail to convict and let them walk, that is that.....

Hurry back soon.