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Title: Lisa Irwin 10 Mo., KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11 #1 10/04/11 - 10/11/11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 04, 2011, 06:48:01 PM
There's an Amber Alert for a Kansas City, Missouri, baby named Lisa Irwin. The baby allegedly was taken from her crib in the middle of the night, on October 3rd and has not been seen since. The mother put her to bed around 10:30pm and when the father came from work at 4:00am, he went to check on her and she was not in the room.

Let's send our prayers and good thoughts for this baby to be found soon safe and sound.

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_lisa_irwin_jef_111004_wg.jpg ::MonkeyHaHa::)

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/neighbor-says-husband-saw-man-carrying-baby-wearing-only-a-diaper

http://abcnews.go.com/US/amber-alert-massive-search-underway-missing-kansas-city/story?id=14663097



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 04, 2011, 06:58:11 PM
The article on ABCNews says there is no hinky vibes to the family, and are cooperating.

However, there is something that is bothering me, and maybe it's just my critical thinking.

Quote
Police say Lisa’s father returned home from work around 4 a.m. to find the child missing and immediately started banging on neighbors’ doors asking if they had seen her.
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/neighbor-says-husband-saw-man-carrying-baby-wearing-only-a-diaper

What bothers me is that Lisa is 10 months old, maybe not even walking yet... and he's asking the neighbors if they have seen her?

So, I would like to know if he's thinking that she got out of her crib, opened the front or back door, walked to a neighbor and knocked on their doors... or something... so that they could've seen her in the middle of the night.

And if the neighbors had seen her after 10:30pm, wouldn't they have called the wife, the husband, or the police? So, why knock on the neighbors doors?

Unless the newspaper has it wrong, and we know they many times screw up, I would like clarification on that.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 04, 2011, 08:39:41 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/police-10-month-old-girl-abducted (http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/police-10-month-old-girl-abducted)

Search continues for missing 10-month-old girl

Posted: Oct 04, 2011 5:24 AM PDT Updated: Oct 04, 2011 5:15 PM PDT
By Chris Oberholtz, Multimedia Producer - email
By Bonyen Lee, Multi-Media Journalist - bio | email
By Heather Staggers, Reporter - bio | email
By DeAnn Smith, Digital Content Manager - email

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

Kansas City police say they have not identified a suspect in the case of a 10-month-old girl abducted from her Northland home.

Authorities say the suspect entered through a bedroom window and snatched the baby from her bed as she was sleeping.

Police were called to a residence located in the 3600 block of North Lister Ave. around 4 a.m. after Lisa Irwin's horrified parents discovered her missing.

She was last seen on Monday around 10:30 p.m. when her mother put her to bed in a crib, police said. Her father is an electrician and he arrived home from an overnight shift about 4 a.m. He discovered Lisa missing and frantically called police, friends and family tell KCTV5.

The father declined to speak to reporters. He became emotional at times as he waited outside his home Tuesday for answers about his daughter's disappearance. Friends and family came by to offer their support.

 ::snipping2::

(http://kctv.images.worldnow.com/images/15611288_BG2.jpg)

(http://kctv.images.worldnow.com/images/15611288_BG3.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 04, 2011, 08:45:15 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29381804/detail.html

Amber Alert Canceled; Search For Baby Continues
KC Police Say Lisa Irwin Last Seen In Crib Late Monday Night

POSTED: 7:12 am CDT October 4, 2011
UPDATED: 7:21 pm CDT October 4, 2011

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Kansas City police canceled an Amber Alert Tuesday evening for a missing 10-month-old girl, although the investigation and search for her continues.

Police issued the alert for Lisa Irwin early Tuesday morning. The baby was last seen at 10:30 p.m. Monday asleep in her crib at her parents' home in the 3600 block of North Lister Avenue.


At 7 p.m., as expected, police pulled the Amber Alert, saying the system was designed to raise awareness early in an investigation to alert the public.

"Although the investigation and search for Lisa Irwin continues, an active Amber Alert is no longer necessary in this case. Lisa Irwin is still considered a missing/endangered juvenile," police Sgt. Stacey Graves said in a news release.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 04, 2011, 08:46:29 PM
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old)

BREAKING: KCPD Sgt. just told me we have a homicide at 120th & Northeastern in the Northland.


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZrbR3OhJ


NOTE:  This may have nothing to do with Lisa Irwin


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: New Monkey on October 04, 2011, 08:54:42 PM
I'm having a hard time believing someone came in a window and took a 10 month old baby.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: New Monkey on October 04, 2011, 08:56:24 PM
Mahoney also pointed out that the location of the home is not a place where you can get to by accident. The street is on a windy complex of roads, and he reported that you really have to know where you're going to get to the house.

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1Zre3PYDv


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: New Monkey on October 04, 2011, 09:09:28 PM
It's about 13 miles from the home on N. Lister to the homicide mentioned in the article.  I'm from south of the area and to my knowledge, the area of the homicide is not a high crime area. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 04, 2011, 09:35:24 PM
Any abductors would have to know that (1) there was a baby living there, if they were looking for a baby to steal. They had to know (2) in which room the baby slept in, (3) which window to pry open without waking those in the home or the neighbors.

They would have to know (4) that the father was out working and wouldn't be coming back for many hours, (5) that the other neighbors wouldn't be out looking at him opening a window that faced the street, and (6) that the mother and other children in the home were in a different room.

Now, did the perp drive, or walk? Would someone go through the trouble of breaking in, kidnapping a kid, and then walk to his/her destination?

This is either someone who knows the home, the parents, and the neighborhood... or it is in my opinion, an inside job.

-------

There were reports of an eyewitness, a neighbor who swears he saw a man carrying a baby at midnight, the baby was wearing only diapers. The man pretended to go into a home, and the neighbor kept driving. I wonder if he's mistaken. The baby was wearing purple top and bottoms, and even if the perp tore off her clothes... did the searchers find any clothes laying around the home outside?

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There's another press conf at around 8:30pm.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 04, 2011, 10:24:18 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/04/3185712/amber-alert-issued-for-10-month.html

Posted on Tue, Oct. 04, 2011 07:21 PM

snipped:

Lisa’s father came home from his work with an electrical company about 4 a.m. and found his daughter missing. She was last seen about 10:30 p.m. Monday asleep in her crib. Evidence at the scene leads police to believe the child was abducted, police said.

Two other children, both boys age 10 or younger, also live in the home.

Young called the situation “unusual,” as many abductions involve a custody dispute or some other situation that can be confirmed quickly. In this case, both parents reside in the home.

Detectives and crime scene investigators were trying to determine how the kidnapper got into the house. As of early this afternoon, police had not determined the entry point.

_________________________________________

Some pictures of the neighborhood with houses in them appear to indicate rambler/rancher style homes.  Still windows are deceiving imo as to height unless I see a person standing next to one. 

I hope they find this baby fast.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 04, 2011, 10:35:09 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/04/ap/business/main20115736.shtml

October 4, 2011 9:51 PM  Kansas City police search for missing 10-month-old

snipped;

"Originally there was a window on the front of the house that appeared to be tampered with, that's something they were looking at, but we're not really sure if that's the entry point or not," Young said. "That's just a detail. The main point is there is a 10-month-old who isn't where she belongs and we're trying to find that child."

snipped;

I do know that somebody did contact us and say late last night, early this morning, she did see somebody walking down the street with a baby," he said. "That is something we've looked into. I don't know if it's necessarily led anywhere."

Crime scene tape was still stretched around the front yard of the girl's home, a light-green ranch-style dwelling in a quiet neighborhood on a winding road on the northeast side of the city, at 3 p.m. Tuesday.

snipped;

The front windows of the house — one large one on the left side decorated with Halloween decorations, and a smaller one on the right with no signs of curtains or a screen — are easily accessible from the ground. A large deck is attached to the rear of the home, which has a fenced-in backyard.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 04, 2011, 10:46:32 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/LookingForLisa-map

Link to map of neighborhood.  House 3600 block of North Lister Ave appears to back to park/golf area - Buckeye Greenway?  Not good. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cookie on October 04, 2011, 11:01:00 PM
darling little baby....I hope that she is found safe and sound..
but.....


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: LynneinMd. on October 04, 2011, 11:02:25 PM
I'm having a hard time believing someone came in a window and took a 10 month old baby.   ::MonkeyEek::

Yes, and wouldn't you have to know which room the baby was in?  After all, you sure wouldn't want to wake up the mom and other kids because they would catch you.  Something is wrong here.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cookie on October 04, 2011, 11:03:34 PM
I'm having a hard time believing someone came in a window and took a 10 month old baby.   ::MonkeyEek::

Yes, and wouldn't you have to know which room the baby was in?  After all, you sure wouldn't want to wake up the mom and other kids because they would catch you.  Something is wrong here.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 04, 2011, 11:36:52 PM
Police returned to the Irwin home and took two bags of baby items... though you gotta ask how does the reporter know that there were baby items in the bags.

So far no mention of fingerprints, hair, footprints, etc... left by the perpetrator.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/Police-search-home-of-Lisa-Irwin-and-carry-out-two-bags-full-of-baby-items



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 05, 2011, 12:10:30 AM
One of the facebook pages set up for little Lisa.

 https://www.facebook.com/find.lisa?sk=wall (https://www.facebook.com/find.lisa?sk=wall)

 ::MonkeyAngel:: May God keep you safe little one till you are reunited with your Mom and Dad ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 05, 2011, 12:29:00 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315550_2532761684840_1427460667_2961776_176356769_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2011, 12:35:33 AM
Police returned to the Irwin home and took two bags of baby items... though you gotta ask how does the reporter know that there were baby items in the bags.

So far no mention of fingerprints, hair, footprints, etc... left by the perpetrator.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/Police-search-home-of-Lisa-Irwin-and-carry-out-two-bags-full-of-baby-items



From the video at the above link:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6226/6213451854_74f9254dea_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 05, 2011, 12:57:40 AM
Even though they've canceled the Amber Alert, a crawl is still running across the screen.  I saw press briefings on different channels during the day and a couple of reporters at different times asked if they police were sure she hadn't just crawled from her crib and walked away.  The answer each time was (paraphrasing) it doesn't seem possible for a 10-month-old.  I don't know if the reporters felt they were on to something, or if they are just not that bright (probably the latter  ::MonkeyJnBox::).  Also, the father told a reporter that he wasn't going to say anything publicly until the police were done questioning the mother, he didn't want to jeopardize the investigation.  As for the homicide mentioned, I believe that is going to be an adult female.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 05, 2011, 01:31:33 AM
Police returned to the Irwin home and took two bags of baby items... though you gotta ask how does the reporter know that there were baby items in the bags.

So far no mention of fingerprints, hair, footprints, etc... left by the perpetrator.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/Police-search-home-of-Lisa-Irwin-and-carry-out-two-bags-full-of-baby-items



From the video at the above link:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6226/6213451854_74f9254dea_b.jpg)

Wow! The bags are bigger than I thought.  Most possibly bedding, and worn clothes that weren't washed.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Red on October 05, 2011, 09:11:28 AM
Missing Missouri Baby Lisa Irwin … 10 Month Old Infant Abducted from Her Crib in Kansas City, MO … Search Continues

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/10/05/missing-missouri-baby-lisa-irwin-10-month-old-infant-abducted-from-her-crib-in-kansas-city-mo-search-continues/

10 month old Lisa Irwin has been missing in Kansas City, MO since October 4, 2011. It is believed the infant was abducted from her crib. Initially an Amber Alert was issued on Tuesday for the missing baby; however, it has since been canceled even though the search continues for missing Lisa Irwin. She was last seen at 10:30 PM  on Monday asleep in her crib at her parents’ home.  When Lisa’s father arrived home from work at around 4 AM he went into her room to check on her and discovered she was missing. The family  immediately called police. According to investigators, they saw the window and the screen appeared that it was tampered with.
 ::snipping2::

Yet another apparent child abduction. Sounding a bit like Trenton Duckett. Let's hope this case turns out better than that one where there was never a conclusion.

Good to see that parents are cooperating with police, no lawyering up. At least not yet.

Always a strange case when a child is taken from a home. Let's pray for a positive outcome.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2011, 09:20:14 AM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story (http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story)

Authorities Continue Search for Missing Baby

ason Vaughn Interactive Content Producer

7:36 a.m. CDT, October 5, 2011
KANSAS CITY, Mo.—

Authorities are continuing the search on Wednesday morning for a missing baby allegedly taken from a crib in her Northland home.

Kansas City Missouri Police have canceled the Amber Alert for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin, whose parents say disappeared from their home at 3620 North Lister around 10:30 p.m. on Monday night. The girl's father called police around 4 a.m. Tuesday when he came home from work.

Police say that it appears that a window at the home had been tampered with.

On Tuesday, police interviewed both parents, and on Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 05, 2011, 09:20:55 AM
I hoped when I checked in here this morning baby Lisa would have been found safe.  I wonder if she was taken by someone that knew the family. Wherever she may be, I hope she's safe and will be returned soon.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2011, 09:24:39 AM
Google map view of their home at 3620 North Lister, KC, MO:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6056/6213803959_47d6a3c7d1_o.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6236/6214322110_fa7fd404aa_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 05, 2011, 09:29:30 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315550_2532761684840_1427460667_2961776_176356769_n.jpg)
What a doll!!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2011, 09:31:32 AM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/highway-patrol-lists-16-sex-offenders-living-within-one-mile-of-missing-baby%27s-home (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/highway-patrol-lists-16-sex-offenders-living-within-one-mile-of-missing-baby%27s-home)

Highway Patrol lists 16 sex offenders living within one mile of missing baby's home

Posted: 10/04/2011
Last Updated: 12 hours and 15 minutes ago

    By: Russ Ptacek By: Russ Ptacek

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - According to the Missouri State Highway Patrol Sex Offender Registry, 16 offenders live within one mile of 37th Street and Lister Avenue where an infant was reported missing Tuesday.

Ten-month-old Lisa Irwin was last seen in her crib at approximately 10:30 p.m. Monday night at a residence in the 3600 block of North Lister in the Northland.

Police have not identified any suspects or indicated that they are looking at sex offenders in the neighborhood.

The Highway Patrol's site identifies the closest sex offender as a 56-year-old woman living within 1,000 feet of the baby's home.

The woman was convicted in 2001 of statutory rape in Nodaway County, Missouri.

The report listed three men within a mile of the home with convictions for sex crimes against children.

The men each had one conviction of statutory sodomy, promoting child pornography, or sexual misconduct with a minor.

 ::snipping2::




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 05, 2011, 09:40:05 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-missouri-baby-amber-alert-cancelled-search-continues/story?id=14670008

Quote
Young also said that there have been no indications at this point that the parents' story is "hinky" or problematic. Lisa's mother was taken to police headquarters earlier today for questioning and her father was not, but Young could not say why.

"You can say they are being held, but you can also say they are being cooperative," Young said. "They're an essential part of the investigation, and we're continuing to talk to them."

Lisa's mother put her down to sleep at approximately 10:30 p.m. Monday night, according to police. When Lisa's father arrived home from work at around 4 a.m., he went into her room to check on her and discovered she was missing. The parents immediately called police.

"They saw the window and the screen appeared that it was tampered with," Officer Darin Snapp, public information officer for the Kansas City Police, told ABCNews.com. Authorities believe Lisa has been abducted and that the suspect entered and exited through the bedroom window. Police said there is no indication that anything else was taken from the house.
 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 05, 2011, 09:42:45 AM
There will be a 9am briefing.  Live feed at this link
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29392699/detail.html


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 05, 2011, 10:10:20 AM
Watching feed.  LE will search wooded area again just because they can (with dogs).  Nothing unusual about talking to mom.  LE has talked with extended family.  Haven't developed any hard suspect info.  Parents left LE office at 10:30pm last night.  Family never in custody and were cooperative.  National Center for M & E C will talk with family soon.  30 & 40 folks following leads, another 50 searching.  Fed agency helping.  LE not ruling anything out as they have next to nothing to go on.  Parents have been cooperative.  Not really encouraging public help in search as they may need to acct for everyone if something were to be found.  No plans to shut down the operation.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 05, 2011, 10:22:27 AM
I certainly hope that if this is true, someone in LE is made to answer for this decision. 

Quote
A friend of mine who lives in the neighborhood called police last night to report "blood curddling screams" coming from the woods. The police told her it was too dark to investigate. Apparently other neighbors heard the same thing and called 911 as well with no response. What's the problem with this picture? They shoudl have investigated.
by sma 6:09 PM yesterday


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZuuQ69ta


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 05, 2011, 10:40:03 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/05/3188249/second-day-of-searching-starts.html

Quote
Day 2 of search starts for missing Northland infant
Quote
The unmarried parents have two other children in the home, both boys age 10 or younger, from previous relationships, Young said.

Though Young confirmed the search being conducted in an area near 34th Terrace and North Myrtle Avenue, he declined to say whether anything of interest had been found or exactly what led authorities there.
 

Reading the comment of the neighbors, the family was known to several of them.  Seems like a friendly family.  So, was this a case of an ex being jealous and wanting to punish OR a neighborhood resident wanting a child? 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 05, 2011, 11:01:58 AM
I certainly hope that if this is true, someone in LE is made to answer for this decision. 

Quote
A friend of mine who lives in the neighborhood called police last night to report "blood curddling screams" coming from the woods. The police told her it was too dark to investigate. Apparently other neighbors heard the same thing and called 911 as well with no response. What's the problem with this picture? They shoudl have investigated.
by sma 6:09 PM yesterday


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZuuQ69ta

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WOW....that gave me chills and made me sick to my stomach.  I hope since they posted on the news site it will get the attention it deserves.  I wonder if the woods this poster is referring to is in the vicinity of the family home.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 05, 2011, 11:06:16 AM
baby lisa home
3620 North Lister kansas MO 64117

i did a 2m searh of offeders this doesnt look good,these are offenders that prey
on very young children,and they work/ed at the same co.


http://www.mshp.dps.mo.gov/CJ38/OffenderDetails?id=1182167

Nathan Steven Elam  Compliant
Home 4252 N Drury Ave  Kansas City, MO 64117  Clay
Work 4357 Ne Chouteau Trfy Kansas City, MO 64117 Clay
Offense: Prom Child Porno-2nd Deg
Victim Gender/Age:  Female/6-14 
Offense City/State:  Kansas City, MO 

Promoting child pornography in the second degree
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5730000035.htm
---------------

http://www.mshp.dps.mo.gov/CJ38/OffenderDetails?id=79146185

Patrick Michael Reynolds  Compliant
(First Middle Last)
Date of Birth:       05/25/1967
Home Address 2310 Ne 37th St
City:  Kansas City 
State: MO 
Zip Code:  64116 
Work 4357 Ne Chourteau Trfy Kansas City, MO 64117 Clay
 
 Offense:Entice Child <15-actor 21/over
Victim Gender/Age:  Female/1-13 
Offense City/State:  Kansas City, MO 

Enticement of a child, penalties
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5660000151.htm

gmap of
A:baby home
B:,C:offenders homes
D:work
http://tinyurl.com/6zmvj34






Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 05, 2011, 11:06:33 AM
I certainly hope that if this is true, someone in LE is made to answer for this decision. 

Quote
A friend of mine who lives in the neighborhood called police last night to report "blood curddling screams" coming from the woods. The police told her it was too dark to investigate. Apparently other neighbors heard the same thing and called 911 as well with no response. What's the problem with this picture? They shoudl have investigated.
by sma 6:09 PM yesterday


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZuuQ69ta

These screams could have also possibly been a screech owl.  I've lived in that region before and their calls are CREEPY and sound JUST like a woman or child screaming at the top of their lungs.  UGH.  BUT..regardless, given the circumstances, it should have been checked.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 05, 2011, 11:10:32 AM
I certainly hope that if this is true, someone in LE is made to answer for this decision. 

Quote
A friend of mine who lives in the neighborhood called police last night to report "blood curddling screams" coming from the woods. The police told her it was too dark to investigate. Apparently other neighbors heard the same thing and called 911 as well with no response. What's the problem with this picture? They shoudl have investigated.
by sma 6:09 PM yesterday


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZuuQ69ta

These screams could have also possibly been a screech owl.  I've lived in that region before and their calls are CREEPY and sound JUST like a woman or child screaming at the top of their lungs.  UGH.  BUT..regardless, given the circumstances, it should have been checked.
We have panthers and wildcats here.  The cats sound like an animal but the panthers sound just like a woman screaming.  It will raise the hair on your arms if you don't know what it is.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 05, 2011, 12:14:02 PM
here is a vid,that shows the BR window,doesnt looked tampered with to me
@56sec close up
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-missouri-baby-amber-alert-cancelled-search-continues/story?id=14670008


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 05, 2011, 01:55:16 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-missouri-baby-amber-alert-cancelled-search-continues/story?id=14670008
Missing Missouri Baby: Amber Alert Cancelled as Search Continues
By CHRISTINA NG and KEVIN DOLAK
Oct. 5, 2011


Police have cancelled an Amber Alert for a missing 10-month-old infant believed to have been abducted from her crib in Kansas City, Mo., though the investigation and search for her continues.

Over 100 Kansas City police officers and FBI agents are searching for Lisa Irwin, the missing infant who was last seen at 10:30 p.m. on Monday asleep in her crib at her parents' home. The massive search included canines, mounted patrol, a fugitive unit, and a narcotics and vice unit. Police issued the alert for Lisa Irwin early Tuesday morning.

At 7:30 p.m. Tuesday police pulled the Amber Alert, which is meant to immediately inform the public of a missing minor who is believed to be at risk of serious injury or death.

"Although the investigation and search for Lisa Irwin continues, an active Amber Alert is no longer necessary in this case. Lisa Irwin is still considered a missing/endangered juvenile," police Sgt. Stacey Graves said in a news release.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 05, 2011, 01:58:01 PM
here is a vid,that shows the BR window,doesnt looked tampered with to me
@56sec close up
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-missouri-baby-amber-alert-cancelled-search-continues/story?id=14670008
I agree.
FOX is reporting there will be a press conference and the parents will speak.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 05, 2011, 02:00:48 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/police-10-month-old-girl-abducted

parents to speak at 2pm presser today.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 05, 2011, 02:01:07 PM
The family of Lisa Irwin will be speaking to media at 2 p.m., at the Command Post, located at 210 Hwy and N. Brigh

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvnutzbH


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 05, 2011, 02:11:34 PM
Baby Lisa's parents names;

Kansas City Police Department spokesman Capt. Steve Young said the parents, Jeremy Irwin and Debbie Netz, are assisting detectives.

snipped from here; http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/police-10-month-old-girl-abducted

also snipped;

Neighbors tell KCTV5 they are upset about what has happened in their peaceful neighborhood and plan to keep windows closed and locked from now on. One neighbor described seeing a strange man walking through the neighborhood on Monday.

One neighbor told police that a stranger was seen walking a baby wearing only a diaper about 1 a.m. in the street by the baby's home. Young said police are investigating this tip and ask for any and all tips from the public.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 05, 2011, 02:30:21 PM
Those houses are so close together how would anyone feel comfortable breaking into a window?  And are there no dogs in the area that would bark at someone walking around after dark?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 05, 2011, 02:42:11 PM
The family of Lisa Irwin will be speaking to media at 2 p.m., at the Command Post, located at 210 Hwy and N. Brigh

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvnutzbH

From your link....
Quote
Investigators seemed to focus on a window the parents said could have been left open.

So, tampered with has turned into 'could have been left open'. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 05, 2011, 03:13:16 PM
Capt. Young: No one knows more than the parents. They were our original focus because they live there and they know the child.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 2:09 PM

Capt. Young: The longer the time goes without getting a conclusion, the more difficult it becomes. We're not giving up.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 2:09 PM

Capt. Young: This search is going nationwide.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 2:08 PM

Capt. Young: No ransom note was found at the scene or sent to family
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 2:08 P

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1Zw6Ae0SS


Capt. Young: FBI wearing special suits to avoid contaminating the scene, not unusual
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 2:07 PM

Capt. Young: The family has been cooperative since the beginning. But we're not ruling out anything
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 2:07 PM

Capt. Young: No plans of shutting command center down
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 2:06 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1Zw63UiFn


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 05, 2011, 03:14:07 PM
Capt. Young wraps up news conference
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 2:10 PM

Capt. Young: We (the police) can still hold the home, so why wouldn't we?
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 2:10 PM

Capt. Young: The home is still secure. We don't believe the family wants to go there.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 2:10 PM

Capt. Young: The parents are free to go where they like
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 2:09

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1Zw6O31Pg


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 05, 2011, 03:15:35 PM
trimm, did you catch what he said about the dogs?  I didn't quite catch it...thought he said that the dogs had searched 3 to 4 times and not picked up a scent.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 05, 2011, 03:27:37 PM
Thanks to all the monkeys for the updates and news conference updates ::MonkeyAngel::

This is the scanner feed:

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=7494  (http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=7494)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 05, 2011, 03:40:01 PM
I think there may be some confusion in the media regarding Mom's name. This article states the parents names as:

 ::snipping2::

Parents Plead For Missing Baby's Safe Return
10-Month-Old Disappeared From Her Parents' Home

POSTED: 6:58 am CDT October 5, 2011
UPDATED: 2:24 pm CDT October 5, 2011

 ::snipping2::
Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley read from a prepared statement and took no questions from the media.

(me: earlier it was reported that her name was Debbie Netz)  :smt102

 ::snipping2::
"We just want our baby back. Please, bring her home," said a tearful Deborah Bradley. "Our two other boys are waiting for her, please. Just drop her off anywhere. We don't care, just somewhere safe, where she can come home, please."

 http://www.kmbc.com/news/29392699/detail.html (http://www.kmbc.com/news/29392699/detail.html)






Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 05, 2011, 03:40:57 PM
I was checking the "helpfindlisairwin" page in Facebook, and I came across this guy's comment, his name is Robert Lee Beagley.

Reading people's time lines across the net, brings me to think that this guy should be in it, as he was someone who saw the  baby on the same day she disappeared.

I know people see high-profile cases, and they want to somehow inject themselves in them, regardless of what damage their statements cause to the case. The guy who swore he saw a guy with the baby in a diaper, to me, is an example.

So, this guy saw baby Lisa waving goodbye to him from the front door.

I gotta ask, could the baby see from the front door to the street out? Possibly, but I'm not sure.

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa01.jpg)



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 05, 2011, 03:44:45 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/05/3189103/parents-plead-for-return-of-child.html

Parents plead for return of child

Quote
Authorities also have conducted three shoulder-to-shoulder searches in wooded areas near the home and also have deployed police dogs several times.

“Unfortunately, none of those have really led us anywhere,” Young said.

 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 05, 2011, 03:47:08 PM
I was checking the "helpfindlisairwin" page in Facebook, and I came across this guy's comment, his name is Robert Lee Beagley.

Reading people's time lines across the net, brings me to think that this guy should be in it, as he was someone who saw the  baby on the same day she disappeared.

I know people see high-profile cases, and they want to somehow inject themselves in them, regardless of what damage their statements cause to the case. The guy who swore he saw a guy with the baby in a diaper, to me, is an example.

So, this guy saw baby Lisa waving goodbye to him from the front door.

I gotta ask, could the baby see from the front door to the street out? Possibly, but I'm not sure.

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa01.jpg)


I'd say it is liking that she can see passing cars from the glass door.
(http://kctv.images.worldnow.com/images/15611288_BG3.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 05, 2011, 03:49:00 PM
trimm, did you catch what he said about the dogs?  I didn't quite catch it...thought he said that the dogs had searched 3 to 4 times and not picked up a scent.
Phone rang,and I missed part of it.Here is the video.
Parents Plead For Return Of Daughter
POSTED: 2:28 pm CDT October 5, 2011
UPDATED: 2:30 pm CDT October 5, 2011


Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29397870/detail.html#ixzz1ZwF0ypBw



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 05, 2011, 03:54:28 PM
http://poststar.com/news/national/kc-police-say-parents-of-missing-baby-cooperative/article_a5c4670e-5def-5774-8a36-98aaccac736a.html
KC police say parents of missing baby cooperative
Associated Press | Posted: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 2:24 pm



 ::snipping2::
Police have said they are investigating the possibility that someone entered the home through a front window and snatched the baby, but they have not pointed to any sign of forced entry.

On Wednesday, FBI agents clad in white, plastic suits went into the family's home, a light-green ranch-style home in a cozy neighborhood along a winding street, with search dogs. Authorities told media at the scene that the suits were to hide the agents' scent from the dogs so they could pick up that of the girl.

An FBI spokeswoman acknowledged the agency was committing significant resources to the search, but declined to discuss why the agents entered the home or what they found.

City police meanwhile combed a nearby wooded area and knocked on doors in the neighborhood to find out what people saw.

Kansas City police Capt. Steve Young said investigators interviewed the girl's parents until about 10:30 p.m. Tuesday, but did not take them into custody. He declined to say where the parents are now.

"They were cooperative, but at this point we have next to nothing to go on," Young said.

Read more: http://poststar.com/news/national/kc-police-say-parents-of-missing-baby-cooperative/article_a5c4670e-5def-5774-8a36-98aaccac736a.html#ixzz1ZwGFQTrj


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 05, 2011, 04:20:17 PM
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/missing-missouri-babys-parents-1194734.html
Missing Missouri baby's parents make tearful plea
October 5, 2011

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The parents of a missing 10-month-old Kansas City girl are begging that she be dropped off someplace safe, no questions asked.
Jeremy Irwin and Debora Natz spoke to the media for the first time Wednesday, almost two days after their daughter Lisa disappeared. The couple made a tearful plea for information about their child and took no questions from reporters.

Police say the parents aren't suspects in the case, but investigators have no solid leads
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 05, 2011, 04:44:59 PM
I was checking the "helpfindlisairwin" page in Facebook, and I came across this guy's comment, his name is Robert Lee Beagley.

Reading people's time lines across the net, brings me to think that this guy should be in it, as he was someone who saw the  baby on the same day she disappeared.

I know people see high-profile cases, and they want to somehow inject themselves in them, regardless of what damage their statements cause to the case. The guy who swore he saw a guy with the baby in a diaper, to me, is an example.

So, this guy saw baby Lisa waving goodbye to him from the front door.

I gotta ask, could the baby see from the front door to the street out? Possibly, but I'm not sure.

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa01.jpg)


I'd say it is liking that she can see passing cars from the glass door.
(http://kctv.images.worldnow.com/images/15611288_BG3.jpg)

Thanks. I guess it is possible. Still, I think he should be  on the time line as one of the last few people who saw the baby before she disappeared.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 05, 2011, 05:04:46 PM
baby lisa home
3620 North Lister kansas MO 64117

i did a 2m searh of offeders this doesnt look good,these are offenders that prey
on very young children,and they work/ed at the same co.


http://www.mshp.dps.mo.gov/CJ38/OffenderDetails?id=1182167

Nathan Steven Elam  Compliant
Home 4252 N Drury Ave  Kansas City, MO 64117  Clay
Work 4357 Ne Chouteau Trfy Kansas City, MO 64117 Clay
Offense: Prom Child Porno-2nd Deg
Victim Gender/Age:  Female/6-14 
Offense City/State:  Kansas City, MO 

Promoting child pornography in the second degree
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5730000035.htm
---------------

http://www.mshp.dps.mo.gov/CJ38/OffenderDetails?id=79146185

Patrick Michael Reynolds  Compliant
(First Middle Last)
Date of Birth:       05/25/1967
Home Address 2310 Ne 37th St
City:  Kansas City 
State: MO 
Zip Code:  64116 
Work 4357 Ne Chourteau Trfy Kansas City, MO 64117 Clay
 
 Offense:Entice Child <15-actor 21/over
Victim Gender/Age:  Female/1-13 
Offense City/State:  Kansas City, MO 

Enticement of a child, penalties
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5660000151.htm

gmap of
A:baby home
B:,C:offenders homes
D:work
http://tinyurl.com/6zmvj34

I am checking Robert Beagley's website, it lists his sister as Dawna Elam. The reason, cause Elam is the last name of the perv discussed above, and it's a rare lastname. Could there be a connection?



Maybe it means nothing, but this guy said on his post in FB that he lived next door to the Irwins, and his mother's house is 2 doors down and he was visiting Monday.

http://www.facebook.com/bob.beagley (http://www.facebook.com/bob.beagley)



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 05, 2011, 05:30:47 PM
Sorry, I'm going paranoid again.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 05, 2011, 06:29:04 PM
Sorry, I'm going paranoid again.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Great catch about the last name Elam!!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Paranoid is okay....lol ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2011, 06:36:42 PM
Thanks to all for research, insights, images and updates.

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 05, 2011, 06:55:03 PM
http://www.newspressnow.com/localnews/29399595/detail.html
Police respond to alleged sighting
St. Joseph News-PressPOSTED: 5:14 pm CDT October 5, 2011

St. Joseph police have been notified of a couple traveling with a baby who looked similar to missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin.

Officials said an infant matching her description was seen Wednesday with a middle-aged white male and white female in an older model SUV at the Love’s Travel Stop at the intersection of Interstate 29 and U.S. Highway 169. Their direction of travel was not known.

Cmdr. Jim Connors, head of the St. Joseph Police Department’s detective division, said officials have contacted Kansas City Police, who have requested a copy of the store’s surveillance video.

Authorities believe Lisa Irwin was taken from her North Kansas City home sometime between 10:30 p.m. Monday and 4 a.m. Tuesday.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 05, 2011, 08:11:50 PM
Sorry, I'm going paranoid again.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Great catch about the last name Elam!!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Paranoid is okay....lol ::MonkeyCool::

Actually now you have me wondering and looking because I may be off my rocker but this guy looks like the neighbor who gave an interview and he had a negative vibe about him, towards the parents, and he was smiling/smirking inappropriatly in the interview if he is the same guy.  Looking for video now.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 05, 2011, 08:18:10 PM
Interview of neighbor's wife who saw man walking with baby the night Lisa went missing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0ueuIH63G8


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 05, 2011, 08:26:19 PM
Sorry, I'm going paranoid again.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Great catch about the last name Elam!!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Paranoid is okay....lol ::MonkeyCool::

Actually now you have me wondering and looking because I may be off my rocker but this guy looks like the neighbor who gave an interview and he had a negative vibe about him, towards the parents, and he was smiling/smirking inappropriatly in the interview if he is the same guy.  Looking for video now.

not the same guy but sure odd.  Maybe he's just stoned.  On page 2 of comments about half way down -  neighbor who lives behind Lisa's house.

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old?Page=3



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 05, 2011, 08:46:44 PM
Investigators continue intensive search for Lisa Irwin in and around her home

Video and Article..


Posted: 10/05/2011
Last Updated: 1 hour and 19 minutes ago

    By: Aaron Heintzelman

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Lisa Irwin’s parents were at their house Wednesday as investigators continue to search the area for clues into the girl’s disappearance. They addressed the public for the first time at a 2 p.m. news conference .

Lisa was discovered missing around 4 a.m. Tuesday when her father returned to their home in the 3600 block of North Lister Avenue from work to find her not in her crib.

NBC Action News reporter Chris Hernandez reported Lisa’s parents arrived to their home sometime around noon Wednesday, met with family and neighbors at a nearby home and then went with investigators into their back yard.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZxSAHJ8Z

Continued..


Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZxS0nflB


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 05, 2011, 08:52:55 PM
(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/LisaIrwin.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 05, 2011, 08:55:06 PM
(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/LisairwinSearch2.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 05, 2011, 08:57:10 PM
(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/LisaIrwinSearch.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 05, 2011, 08:58:13 PM
Thanks for the link, catlurker. This old computer fizzled up and won't play it. But if it's not the same guy, then it's fine. Hoping to catch it on the news tonight, cause I'm curious.

KMBC has a "Live Wire" blog going, but not much happening now. Has a few good pictures.

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old)



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 05, 2011, 09:15:42 PM
Missing baby baffles Kansas City investigators

 ::snipping2::
Police say they have no solid leads in the case. More than 300 investigators continue to look for answers. Many investigators are focused on the family's home.

"We've done three shoulder-to-shoulder searches there and we've sent dogs in three times. Three different dogs each time," said Police Capt. Steve Young, Kansas City, MO.

continued..

http://www.wthr.com/story/15626493/missing-baby-baffles-kansas-city-investigators


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: New Monkey on October 05, 2011, 10:38:29 PM
I wonder why the dogs aren't catching her scent? 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 05, 2011, 11:46:45 PM
Lisa Irwin was reported missing on Oct. 4, 2011. (NBC News: Photo courtesy of Lisa's grandparents - Rickey and Melanie Irwin

(http://media2.nbcactionnews.com//photo/2011/10/05/Movie_Clipping_5-0_20111005213751_640_480.JPG)

More photos at link:

 http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/grandparents-share-photos-of-lisa-irwin (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/grandparents-share-photos-of-lisa-irwin)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 05, 2011, 11:50:01 PM
(http://media2.nbcactionnews.com//photo/2011/10/05/Movie_Clipping_1-0_20111005213751_640_480.JPG)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 06, 2011, 12:04:50 AM
Grandparents speak out, video at link also

 ::snipping2::

Grandparents of Lisa Irwin say her parents have nothing to do with her disappearance


The grandparents said they're absolutely heartbroken and their son and daughter-in-law have nothing to do with Lisa’s disappearance.

"Absolutely not. I’m not a police officer. You have to have a custody battle…but you have a loving family, cloth knit family,” said Rick Irwin.

“That baby is everything to them," said Melanie Irwin.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/grandparents-of-lisa-irwin-say-her-parents-have-nothing-to-do-with-her-disappearance  (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/grandparents-of-lisa-irwin-say-her-parents-have-nothing-to-do-with-her-disappearance)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 12:22:36 AM
I wonder why the dogs aren't catching her scent? 

Good question.  If the sighting of the man with the baby at midnight is true she was seen only wearing her diaper and being carried close to his chest.  So did he removed her clothes and pocket them thus destroying her scent? 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 06, 2011, 01:33:38 AM
Does anyone remember hearing or reading something in regards to "Dad/Jeremy" (I think it was yesterday) saying he wouldn't be making any comments to the media until the "Mom/Debbie" returned from being interviewed by LE? I know I saw that somewhere yesterday when some of the media was showing an image of Dad/Jeremy sitting on steps in front of the house. I thought that was odd. I would be talking to anyone who wanted to talk to me if it meant finding my daughter. Every minute is critical. Then on the NBC local page, the Grandparents stated in an article that they wouldn't be speaking till "Dad/Jeremy" gave them the green light to speak. Again, odd and sounds like Dad is very controlling. Also during the statement the parents made today, the Mom/Debbie breaks down and makes a plea and "Jeremy" doesn't even put his arm around her and barely looked at her. He sort of looked miffed that she spoke out. I could be way off on that but it did appear odd to me. Mom did seem grief stricken, Dad.....hard to tell. Any thoughts?

below is a snip about not speaking until Jeremy gave the okay
 ::snipping2::
Investigators continue intensive search for Lisa Irwin in and around her home

Posted: 10/05/2011
Last Updated: 3 hours and 21 minutes ago

    By: Aaron Heintzelman


Lisa's grandparents and other family members have spoken off-camera, but have declined to speak on-camera until given a green light by Lisa's father.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin  (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin)



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 06, 2011, 02:22:31 AM
Just thinking.....

In the very beginning of this video, officers are at the bedroom window on the outside doing something with the window. I noticed the bottom of the window is about shoulder height or higher. How would someone get up into that window without something to climb up on and even if the perp was able to boost himself up, I would think he would make enough noise to wake someone up.

http://www.kmbc.com/video/29383532/detail.html  (http://www.kmbc.com/video/29383532/detail.html)



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cookie on October 06, 2011, 09:01:18 AM
this story reminds me of the case years ago..I believe it was Samantha Eissman or something like that? anyone help me out here? she was taken from her crib too..That mom was very suspicious acting..this mother reminded me so much of that mother when she was crying while on camera..dunno..I can't help myself anymore...I am suspicious of anyone who sets off my hinky..and for some reason this mother does..can't explain it, but she comes across as insincere to me..hope I am really really wrong and that baby is ok..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: labubske on October 06, 2011, 09:30:16 AM
this story reminds me of the case years ago..I believe it was Samantha Eissman or something like that? anyone help me out here? she was taken from her crib too..That mom was very suspicious acting..this mother reminded me so much of that mother when she was crying while on camera..dunno..I can't help myself anymore...I am suspicious of anyone who sets off my hinky..and for some reason this mother does..can't explain it, but she comes across as insincere to me..hope I am really really wrong and that baby is ok..

Sabrina Aisenberg
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/28/national/main4298623.shtml


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 11:35:55 AM
Baby Lisa Missing: Parents Growing Deperate as Search Continues..
 ::snipping2::

Speaking on "Good Morning America" this morning from outside their home in Kansas City, the girl's mother choked back tears and father Jeremy Irwin repeated their plea for anyone with information on their missing toddler to come forward.

Lisa's mother, Deborah Brandley, described to "GMA" exactly what happened the last time she saw her daughter:

"[She disappeared] between the time she went to bed and time I went to bed," she said through tears. "I gave her her bottle and put her to sleep, and that was the last when we last saw her."

continued.. Article and Video..

http://abcnews.go.com/US/baby-lisa-missing-parents-growing-deperate-search-continues/story?id=14679914


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 06, 2011, 11:41:50 AM
There's two new details this morning, from their interviews at GMA and Today show.

There were three cellphones stolen from the home, one of them not working. It is being said that Deborah was adding numbers to her contact list and they were sitting on a counter. No details of where the counter was, on which room?

Also, that when the father came home the lights were on inside the house. No mention of which particular rooms had the lights on.

This morning the search is on the woods behind the home, and in nearby manholes. Police is opening them and checking them out.

There was another "sighting" on a truck stop, in which a man was seen with a baby. Police is checking it out.

The blog which is best covering this:

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a0YENQcL



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 11:43:04 AM
(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/LisairwinSearch3.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 11:50:56 AM
(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/LisairwinSearch4.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 11:54:20 AM
(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/LisairwinSearch5.jpg)

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a0YENQcL


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 06, 2011, 12:04:30 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/baby-lisa-missing-parents-growing-deperate-search-continues/story?id=14679914
Baby Lisa Missing: Parents Growing Deperate as Search Continues
October 6, 2011

The Missouri parents of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin revealed this morning that their cell phones were missing when they fantically tried to call 911 after discovering that their "Pumpkin Pie" was not in her crib.
 ::snipping2::
"The windows were open and lights were on and she was nowhere to be found," Jeremy Irwin told "Good Morning America" today. He also said that his front door was unlocked when he returned home to find his daughter missing at 4:00 a.m. from a job as an overnight electrician.

"They took her and took all of our phones so we couldn't call anybody," Irwin said.

Lisa's mother, Deborah Bradley, said that she had left three cell phones on the kitchen counter where she had been re-programming the numbers.

"We were running around the house and were screaming for [Lisa] and she was nowhere," Bradley said. "Then I said, 'Call 911, call 911." But Jeremy couldn't find the cell phones. "They were gone."
 ::snipping2::
rwin, who lives with Deborah and her two other children from pervious relationships, described how he returned from work around 4 a.m.

"The windows were open and the lights were on, and she was no where to be found," he said. "We've been going over everything in our minds. We just don't have any idea."

Police Capt. Steve Young said there are no major leads in the case, while Kansas City police and FBI agents continued their investigation and search for the baby. More than 300 law officers have been using helicopters, all-terrain vehicles and door-to-door interviews in the search.
 ::snipping2::
Lisa was last seen at 10:30 p.m. Monday asleep in her crib at her parents' home. When her father arrived home at 4 a.m. from an overnight shift as an electrician, he discovered that Lisa was missing. The parents immediately called police.

While police initially fixated on a window and screen in the bedroom that appeared to have been tampered with and might have been where a kidnapper entered and exited, they are not certain such was the case.

"We are interviewing family and friends just to eliminate everyone's that close to the family as suspects," Officer Darin Snapp said.

He described the family's neighborhood as a "middle-class, very quiet neighborhood."

Ernie Allen of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children said that infant abduction cases are relatively rare. There have been 278 documented cases in which newborns or infants have been abducted since 1983.
Forty-six percent, or 128 cases, involved instances in which the children were taken from health care locations, hospitals, for instance. Forty percent, or 112 cases, involved children taken from homes. Of the total 278 cases, children were returned home safely in 266 instances.
"The typical profile of the abductor of an infant is a woman, usually an emotionally disturbed woman who has lost a child or wants a child for some reason," Allen told ABC News.
 ::snipping2::
Video at Link


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 12:07:44 PM
Chopper over Irwin Home..

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/chopperoverIrwinhome.jpg)
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a0YENQcL


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 06, 2011, 12:09:49 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44798732/ns/today-today_people/t/parents-missing-baby-well-do-anything-get-her/#.To3RQ7KVqT9
Parents of missing baby: 'We'll do anything to get her'
Video and transcript at link.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 12:11:58 PM
Police, FBI, Return to Irwin Home in Search of Baby Lisa

Web Staff

10:38 a.m. CDT, October 6, 2011
KANSAS CITY, Mo.—

Police and FBI returned to the Irwin home for the third day in search of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin. Police plan to search in areas they've already search, but what kind of evidence they're looking for is still unclear.

Baby Lisa, missing since early Tuesday morning, captured the nation's attention as her parents addressed the national media on Thursday morning. Jeremy Irwin and Debbie Bradley appeared exhausted. Through tears Debbie spoke about her missing daughter and pleaded for her safe return.

For the first time, the media learned from the parents that three cell phones were also missing from the home, however, police would not comment on this information. The parents also said the window that appeared tampered with, first believed to be Lisa's bedroom window, is actually a window in the family's computer room. FBI revisited the home on Wednesday and concentrated their efforts around the window, but investigators are not releasing any information as to what, if any, evidence was found.

continued...

http://www.kwch.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,5393490.story


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2011, 12:17:12 PM
Police, FBI, Return to Irwin Home in Search of Baby Lisa

Web Staff

10:38 a.m. CDT, October 6, 2011
KANSAS CITY, Mo.—

Police and FBI returned to the Irwin home for the third day in search of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin. Police plan to search in areas they've already search, but what kind of evidence they're looking for is still unclear.

Baby Lisa, missing since early Tuesday morning, captured the nation's attention as her parents addressed the national media on Thursday morning. Jeremy Irwin and Debbie Bradley appeared exhausted. Through tears Debbie spoke about her missing daughter and pleaded for her safe return.

For the first time, the media learned from the parents that three cell phones were also missing from the home, however, police would not comment on this information. The parents also said the window that appeared tampered with, first believed to be Lisa's bedroom window, is actually a window in the family's computer room. FBI revisited the home on Wednesday and concentrated their efforts around the window, but investigators are not releasing any information as to what, if any, evidence was found.

continued...

http://www.kwch.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,5393490.story

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Something is hinky.

Janet



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 12:18:37 PM
Police, FBI, Return to Irwin Home in Search of Baby Lisa

Web Staff

10:38 a.m. CDT, October 6, 2011
KANSAS CITY, Mo.—

Police and FBI returned to the Irwin home for the third day in search of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin. Police plan to search in areas they've already search, but what kind of evidence they're looking for is still unclear.

Baby Lisa, missing since early Tuesday morning, captured the nation's attention as her parents addressed the national media on Thursday morning. Jeremy Irwin and Debbie Bradley appeared exhausted. Through tears Debbie spoke about her missing daughter and pleaded for her safe return.

For the first time, the media learned from the parents that three cell phones were also missing from the home, however, police would not comment on this information. The parents also said the window that appeared tampered with, first believed to be Lisa's bedroom window, is actually a window in the family's computer room. FBI revisited the home on Wednesday and concentrated their efforts around the window, but investigators are not releasing any information as to what, if any, evidence was found.

continued...

http://www.kwch.com/news/wdaf-authorities-continue-search-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,5393490.story

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Something is hinky.

Janet



I agree...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 06, 2011, 12:21:30 PM
Okay, so these objects were taken from the home: one baby, and three cellphones.

Why would anyone take something from a home?
Because it is of value to that person. Obviously the baby is of value, but why the phones?

Maybe the perpetrator tried to delay a call to 911?
But, then why leave the lights on? Why turn the lights on in the first place?
A 911 call could be made from one of neighbor's, why take the phones?
Who made the phone call to 911, anyway?

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Could this have been a robbery that turned into a baby snatching? IF you were a thief... would you choose this home in the neighborhood to rob?

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Anyway, so far the events look like this (not necessarily in this order):

1.   Someone took baby
2.   Someone cut screen to make it appear that the point of entry was the window
3.   someone turned the lights on
4.   someone took the cellphones (1 not working)
5.   someone walked out the front door with a stolen baby and three cellphones
6.   someone who knew the man of the house would be away for hours
7.   someone not afraid to wake the mother or the kids inside the home
8.   someone not afraid to leave the lights on inside the home, but took the phones
9.   someone didn't mind that there were dogs in the neighborhood
10. someone didn't care that there is a lamp pole right in front of the house
11. someone not afraid of being seen if a neighbor came out to walk a dog

This, to me, says that the perp was someone VERY familiar with the neighborhood, the home, the people inside and their routines.

Of course, this could also be a family situation. We have seen this before in so many cases. The baby appears well cared for, and very much loved. But, maybe one of the parents lost it and hurt the child, then is trying to hide it the best way he/she can.

Not saying that this is the case, but it has happened before.

The next few days will tell, just hoping it's not the parents and that the baby is alive and well, and she's returned to her family.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/police-10-month-old-girl-abducted



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 12:27:22 PM
So the dad came home from work.. Where was his cell phone? He didn't take his cell phone with him to work??


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 12:34:39 PM
Frantic search underway for 10-month-old Kansas City girl apparently snatched from her crib.

 ::snipping2::

Lisa was last seen about 10:30 p.m. Monday night, asleep in her crib and wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with pictures of white kittens.

She was discovered missing five hours later after her father returned home from work to find an open window, unlocked front door and all the lights on.

In an emotional news conference Thursday, Lisa's dad, Jeremy Irwin, said he first checked on his 6- and 8-year old sons and then went to Lisa's room and discovered her gone.

Mom Deborah Bradley was asleep in the house, and woke only when Irwin came home.

"I said, 'What do you mean she is not in her crib?'" Bradley said. "I just knew, you know, that something was really wrong."

"We ran around the house screaming for her, but she was nowhere."

Also missing from the home were three cell phones, apparently taken to delay the family from contacting cops.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/10/06/2011-10-06_frantic_search_underway_for_10monthold_kansas_city_girl_apparently_snatched_from.html#ixzz1a1IjSgE0




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 12:42:12 PM
 Mo. Parents Describe Panic After Baby Disappeared

By BILL DRAPER and MARIA SUDEKUM FISHER Associated Press
KANSAS CITY, Mo. October 6, 2011 (AP)


::snipping2::

he child was last seen around 10:30 p.m. Monday when her mother checked on her in her crib. Her father discovered the baby missing about five hours later, when he got home from a late-night shift at work.

Police have said one possibility they were investigating was whether someone entered the home through a front window and snatched the baby, but they haven't pointed to any sign of forced entry.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/search-missing-mo-girl-generates-frustration-14679419


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 06, 2011, 01:16:46 PM
So the dad came home from work.. Where was his cell phone? He didn't take his cell phone with him to work??

Good question.

Agreed, even if it wasn't his first night on the job, bringing a cellphone in the truck makes sense if he has small kids (who can get sick), and a wife who may want to contact him in case of emergency.

And, most contractors I know have one in the truck in case the boss wants to call about the job.

I wish to know where the 911 call came from, and who made it.

Just to know.




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: LynneinMd. on October 06, 2011, 01:23:34 PM
The door was left unlocked and the lights were on?  It would seem to me that if I were going to take the baby, I would not turn lights on in case I could be seen.  I just don't know about this one.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 06, 2011, 01:28:04 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/06/justice/missouri-missing-girl/
Search for missing Missouri 10-month-old in third day
October 6, 2011

 ::snipping2::
Lisa Irwin was last seen around 10:30 p.m. Monday, asleep in her crib, Kansas City, Missouri, police said. Police were called to the home at about 4 a.m. Tuesday.

"It appears the suspect entered/exited through a bedroom window," authorities said in a statement. "Evidence at the scene leads police to believe the child has been abducted."
Jeremy Irwin told reporters he found Lisa missing when he returned home from work. "The front door was unlocked," he said Thursday. "Most of the lights were on in the house, and the window in front was open -- all very unusual."

Police have said the parents are not considered suspects in Lisa's disappearance. Police Capt. Steve Young on Wednesday told reporters the family has been cooperative from the beginning of the investigation, but "everything is still on the table. We haven't ruled anything out."

He said Wednesday investigators "really haven't developed any good, hard information that we can go forward with." Nearly 50 tips have been received through a tip hotline, he said, but not all of them have been pursued, as some of them have been vague -- a person calling to report a child seat seen in a car, for instance.

"I know everybody's hearts are in the right place, but that's not anything we can do anything with," Young said.

Police have conducted more than 300 "knock-and-talks" and searches of residences in the area, and more than 300 officers were searching for Lisa. There have been three searches of a wooded area near the family's home, he said.

"I promise you, if there's anything we think we can be doing, we've probably done it two or three times already," Young said.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 01:28:16 PM
Parents of missing baby: 'We'll do anything to get her' ..
Interview and Article..

 ::snipping2::

The parents are not currently suspects, according to the police. Irwin has provided federal authorities with the names of nine individuals he believes could have had some sort of connection to his daughter’s abduction. Police dogs have searched the family’s home, and federal investigators wearing sterile suits to avoid disturbing the crime scene removed several bags of evidence from the house on Wednesday.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44798732/ns/today-today_people/t/parents-missing-baby-well-do-anything-get-her/#.To3guxSIk8k


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 01:45:05 PM
Article and Video..
Eyes for LiesSM

 ::snipping2::
Many of you have likely seen the story of missing baby Lisa Irwin from Missouri. She is 10-months old.  The story being told to the press is that her father, Jeremy, discovered her missing from her bed at 4:00 a.m. this past Tuesday in the early morning after he came home from his work shift. He woke up his wife and they called police. At some point, they discovered an open window that was tampered with.

The couple claims that whoever abducted their daughter also stole three cell phones from the house from the kitchen counter.  I find this perplexing.  If the father goes to work, doesn't he carry his cell phone with him?  Or does he leave it home?  I would be curious why he wouldn't  have it with him at work.  Is there a logical reason for it?

In watching this video, the mother, Deborah, is displaying true sadness, which can support the truth or deception--so it has no other meaning than to tell us she is truly sad.  The father, however, shows no sadness, no oblique eyebrows--no emotions whatsoever.  He is stoic. It's notable.

In the very beginning of the interview Jeremy says, "...obviously all very unusual and I started checking on the kids.  Checked on the boys first, and then we checked on her and that's when we realized she was gone."

Continued..
http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2011/10/lisa-irwin-missing-hotspots.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EyesForLies+%28Eyes+for+Lies+Blog%29


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 06, 2011, 01:50:11 PM
Does anyone remember hearing or reading something in regards to "Dad/Jeremy" (I think it was yesterday) saying he wouldn't be making any comments to the media until the "Mom/Debbie" returned from being interviewed by LE? I know I saw that somewhere yesterday when some of the media was showing an image of Dad/Jeremy sitting on steps in front of the house. I thought that was odd. I would be talking to anyone who wanted to talk to me if it meant finding my daughter. Every minute is critical. Then on the NBC local page, the Grandparents stated in an article that they wouldn't be speaking till "Dad/Jeremy" gave them the green light to speak. Again, odd and sounds like Dad is very controlling. Also during the statement the parents made today, the Mom/Debbie breaks down and makes a plea and "Jeremy" doesn't even put his arm around her and barely looked at her. He sort of looked miffed that she spoke out. I could be way off on that but it did appear odd to me. Mom did seem grief stricken, Dad.....hard to tell. Any thoughts?

below is a snip about not speaking until Jeremy gave the okay
 ::snipping2::
Investigators continue intensive search for Lisa Irwin in and around her home

Posted: 10/05/2011
Last Updated: 3 hours and 21 minutes ago

    By: Aaron Heintzelman


Lisa's grandparents and other family members have spoken off-camera, but have declined to speak on-camera until given a green light by Lisa's father.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin  (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin)


As I recall, he didn't want to say anything until the police were done questioning her because he didn't want to jeopardize the investigation.  Unfortunately, I heard that in a local TV report and I cannot find an article to back it up.  There isn't much information here and what little there is the local press can't seem to agree about the details...for example, 1 outlet claims the 2 older boys are both her's and another has said 1 boy was his and 1 was her's, while another calls them a blended family.  The whole situation is strange and hinky.  Around here a missing baby is usually found very quickly. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 06, 2011, 01:52:06 PM
The parents have suddenly gone to the police command center, according to Fox News.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 06, 2011, 01:53:57 PM
The reporter states that the police told the parents that they were resuming the search in the woods, and there was animated conversation that followed. The parents then got in their car and left.

I don't know what on earth is going on.............


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 06, 2011, 01:57:55 PM
If those phones are not used in the next days or weeks, I would start to wonder about the reason for taking them.

Let's hope that anyone dumb enough to take them, is dumb enough to use them.

In case of family involvement, could it been that the phones pinged at a compromising location? Then again, the phone records could be gotten even if the cell phones are missing.

I don't get it.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 06, 2011, 01:58:17 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-parents-have-heated-discussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story (http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-parents-have-heated-discussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story)

 ::snipping2::
FOX 4's John Pepitone describes a heated conversation police had with the baby's parents at the location where police were walking shoulder-to-shoulder. According to witnesses, the parents, Jeremy Irwin and Debbie Bradley, were seen having an animated discussion with police before speeding off in their car.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 01:59:02 PM
Does anyone remember hearing or reading something in regards to "Dad/Jeremy" (I think it was yesterday) saying he wouldn't be making any comments to the media until the "Mom/Debbie" returned from being interviewed by LE? I know I saw that somewhere yesterday when some of the media was showing an image of Dad/Jeremy sitting on steps in front of the house. I thought that was odd. I would be talking to anyone who wanted to talk to me if it meant finding my daughter. Every minute is critical. Then on the NBC local page, the Grandparents stated in an article that they wouldn't be speaking till "Dad/Jeremy" gave them the green light to speak. Again, odd and sounds like Dad is very controlling. Also during the statement the parents made today, the Mom/Debbie breaks down and makes a plea and "Jeremy" doesn't even put his arm around her and barely looked at her. He sort of looked miffed that she spoke out. I could be way off on that but it did appear odd to me. Mom did seem grief stricken, Dad.....hard to tell. Any thoughts?

below is a snip about not speaking until Jeremy gave the okay
 ::snipping2::
Investigators continue intensive search for Lisa Irwin in and around her home

Posted: 10/05/2011
Last Updated: 3 hours and 21 minutes ago

    By: Aaron Heintzelman


Lisa's grandparents and other family members have spoken off-camera, but have declined to speak on-camera until given a green light by Lisa's father.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin  (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin)


As I recall, he didn't want to say anything until the police were done questioning her because he didn't want to jeopardize the investigation.  Unfortunately, I heard that in a local TV report and I cannot find an article to back it up.  There isn't much information here and what little there is the local press can't seem to agree about the details...for example, 1 outlet claims the 2 older boys are both her's and another has said 1 boy was his and 1 was her's, while another calls them a blended family.  The whole situation is strange and hinky.  Around here a missing baby is usually found very quickly. 

"We were running around the house and were screaming for [Lisa] and she was nowhere," Bradley said. "Then I said, 'Call 911, call 911.' But Jeremy couldn't find the cell phones. They were gone."

She also described to "Good Morning America" how the other two children from previous relationships who live in the house have been handling the situation.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-cell-phones-abduction/story?id=14679914


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 06, 2011, 02:02:09 PM
Megan Kelly on Fox will speak with the police at the command center; coming up.

Warning: "Coming Up" on Fox doesn't necessarily mean it's up next!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 06, 2011, 02:03:32 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-parents-have-heated-discussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story (http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-parents-have-heated-discussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story)

 ::snipping2::
FOX 4's John Pepitone describes a heated conversation police had with the baby's parents at the location where police were walking shoulder-to-shoulder. According to witnesses, the parents, Jeremy Irwin and Debbie Bradley, were seen having an animated discussion with police before speeding off in their car.
 ::snipping2::

Thanks, Yuknomenot! I'm sure that's the incident they were discussing a few minutes ago on America Live.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 06, 2011, 02:08:50 PM
Thanks JerseyGirl, still clear as mud isn't it.  And it sure won't help our local crackpot, er cracker jack local reporters figure anything out.  Who the boys parents are doesn't much matter to me, what does matter is that the reporters cant get something relatively minor correct. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 06, 2011, 02:10:24 PM
manhole covers: so the perp is carrying a crowbar,3Cphones and a baby
JMO,BS
this mornings interview,video

Baby Lisa's Parents Take Questions From Reporters
POSTED: 6:42 am CDT October 6, 2011
UPDATED: 6:45 am CDT October 6, 2011

http://www.kmbc.com/video/29404333/detail.html
Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29404333/detail.html#ixzz1a1gHhl6a
updated live
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 06, 2011, 02:10:32 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-parents-have-heated-discussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story (http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-parents-have-heated-discussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story)

 ::snipping2::
FOX 4's John Pepitone describes a heated conversation police had with the baby's parents at the location where police were walking shoulder-to-shoulder. According to witnesses, the parents, Jeremy Irwin and Debbie Bradley, were seen having an animated discussion with police before speeding off in their car.
 ::snipping2::

Thanks, Yuknomenot! I'm sure that's the incident they were discussing a few minutes ago on America Live.
You're welcome CBB  ::HelloKitty::, I'm sure it is.  I will keep the TV on local Fox this afternoon in case they break in with anything.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 02:16:05 PM
Thanks JerseyGirl, still clear as mud isn't it.  And it sure won't help our local crackpot, er cracker jack local reporters figure anything out.  Who the boys parents are doesn't much matter to me, what does matter is that the reporters cant get something relatively minor correct. 

The main reason I questioned the 2 older boys parents was if this abduction at this point of time was not by the parents was an disgruntle ex involved..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 06, 2011, 02:27:15 PM
I'm trying to figure the cell phones out. There were 3 phones and one didn't work, so there were actually 2 phones they used.

Maybe Mom had one, and used one to send with the boys when they were out playing? In that case, Dad might very well have had his own phone with him at work?

I don't know........... just speculating.

Well, Megyn Kelly AGAIN just said the police in this case are "Coming Up". Geeez.......


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 02:35:35 PM
I dont know if this was posted.. Article and interview video..

Home> U.S.
Missing Baby Lisa: Parents Say Abductor Took Their Cell Phones

By CHRISTINA NG and KEVIN DOLAK
Oct. 6, 2011

The distraught Missouri parents of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin revealed this morning that they their cell phones were missing when they fantically tried to call 911 after discovering that their "Pumpkin Pie" was not in her crib.

Lisa's visibly shaken father also told reporters about the "unusual" state he found his Kansas City home in Monday night.

 ::snipping2::

"The windows were open and lights were on and she was nowhere to be found," Jeremy Irwin told "Good Morning America" today. "We've been going over everything in our minds. We just don't have any idea."

The electrician also said that his front door was unlocked when he returned home from work at 4 a.m. to find his daughter missing.

"They took her and took all of our phones so we couldn't call anybody," Irwin said, according to ABC News' Kansas City affiliate KMBC.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-cell-phones-abduction/story?id=14679914


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 06, 2011, 02:38:15 PM
(this is not word for word)

Fox news: possible lead in search, supposed to interview Parents but they ran off to the police dept. (this from tv)

Mother and father saw le in the woods and thought there was a new development and rushed over to the command center. Family member is telling FOX that a "name" was provided that jogged someones memory"


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 06, 2011, 02:39:16 PM

I don't fully understand how the 'cell phone ping' thing works...  If someone calls your cell phone and it is on, will it still generate a ping even if you don't answer it?  Or is it only if it is answered? 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 06, 2011, 02:40:55 PM
FINALLY!

The parents heard the police were searching the woods again and rushed over thinking there was a new development.

There is no problem, and the parents continue to cooperate with the police.

A name refreshed the parent's memory today, but no other news regarding that. Megyn asked if the cell phones could help track the whereabouts. The policeman (sorry, didn't get his name) said that all was being done that is possible to be done. He goes on to say that they aren't discussing the possibility that Lisa is dead. They continue to be focused on finding her.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 06, 2011, 02:42:26 PM

I don't fully understand how the 'cell phone ping' thing works...  If someone calls your cell phone and it is on, will it still generate a ping even if you don't answer it?  Or is it only if it is answered? 

Hi wildmala!

My understanding is that as long as a cell phone is "on", it gives off pings capable of being traced from towers.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2011, 02:45:04 PM
Thanks for the updates all.

The disappearing cell phones causes me to suspect that the disappearance of little Lisa was no abduction.

Later, Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 06, 2011, 02:46:41 PM
 ::snipping2::

Pinging is done automatically, especially whenever a cell phone is turned on. It is the pinging technology that enables cell phones to work, and this makes it legal.

::snipping2::

http://www.sophisticatededge.com/how-to-ping-a-cell-phone.html


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 06, 2011, 02:46:51 PM
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/06/parents-of-missing-missouri-baby-lisa-irwin-rush-to-police-command-center-is-there-a-new-lead-in-the-case/
2:26 pm ET October 6, 2011
Parents of Missing Missouri Baby Lisa Irwin Rush to Police Command Center; Is There a New Lead in the Case?
by America Live Posted in: America Live, Baby Lisa, Lisa Irwin, Megyn Kelly, Missing Missouri Baby   

The parents of missing Missouri baby Lisa Irwin were scheduled to be on America Live moments ago, but according to a family member, they were rushed to the police command center to discuss a possible new lead in the case.

A reporter at the scene joined Megyn Kelly and said that a source at the command center says they saw the couple having an animated discussion with police. After it ended, the parents got in a car and sped away. Police say that the emotional conversation was in response to a report that police were beginning to search a wooded area near the home again.
 ::snipping2::
video at link.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 06, 2011, 02:48:32 PM
Thanks for the updates all.

The disappearing cell phones causes me to suspect that the disappearance of little Lisa was no abduction.

Later, Janet

I don't have a firm gut feeling yet, Janet, but it wouldn't surprise me at this point. We've seen so many cases where the family is the culprit...........   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 02:50:27 PM
Does anyone remember hearing or reading something in regards to "Dad/Jeremy" (I think it was yesterday) saying he wouldn't be making any comments to the media until the "Mom/Debbie" returned from being interviewed by LE? I know I saw that somewhere yesterday when some of the media was showing an image of Dad/Jeremy sitting on steps in front of the house. I thought that was odd. I would be talking to anyone who wanted to talk to me if it meant finding my daughter. Every minute is critical. Then on the NBC local page, the Grandparents stated in an article that they wouldn't be speaking till "Dad/Jeremy" gave them the green light to speak. Again, odd and sounds like Dad is very controlling. Also during the statement the parents made today, the Mom/Debbie breaks down and makes a plea and "Jeremy" doesn't even put his arm around her and barely looked at her. He sort of looked miffed that she spoke out. I could be way off on that but it did appear odd to me. Mom did seem grief stricken, Dad.....hard to tell. Any thoughts?

below is a snip about not speaking until Jeremy gave the okay
 ::snipping2::
Investigators continue intensive search for Lisa Irwin in and around her home

Posted: 10/05/2011
Last Updated: 3 hours and 21 minutes ago

    By: Aaron Heintzelman


Lisa's grandparents and other family members have spoken off-camera, but have declined to speak on-camera until given a green light by Lisa's father.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin  (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin)



The bolded part makes sense to me.  The key is not to PO the perp who has the baby so you want to control what you say/release to media in regards to everything.

the other missing items were noted on the facebook page I think a couple days ago.  Not the specific items ie;cell phones but just that something else was taken from the home besides Lisa from someone because I remember reading it.  

God I hope they get this person soon.  Prayers, Prayers.  


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 06, 2011, 02:54:53 PM
Nothing new yet.  I, too, am baffled by the 3 cell phones.  Perhaps they switched carriers or got new contracts and both of the old cells were on the counter along with her new phone (his was with him).  Or... the whole cell phone thing is made up.

Greg Smith (Kelsey Smith's dad) will be on local news tonight http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/Greg-Smith-can-feel-Irwin-familys-pain (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/Greg-Smith-can-feel-Irwin-familys-pain)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 06, 2011, 02:59:10 PM
Thanks JerseyGirl, still clear as mud isn't it.  And it sure won't help our local crackpot, er cracker jack local reporters figure anything out.  Who the boys parents are doesn't much matter to me, what does matter is that the reporters cant get something relatively minor correct. 

The main reason I questioned the 2 older boys parents was if this abduction at this point of time was not by the parents was an disgruntle ex involved..
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you had questions about them.  I was only using that as an example of how poor the reporting is around here. I haven't heard anything about a disguntled ex, but I could easily have missed something.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 03:01:46 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/baby-lisa-missing-parents-growing-deperate-search-continues/story?id=14679914
Baby Lisa Missing: Parents Growing Deperate as Search Continues
October 6, 2011

The Missouri parents of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin revealed this morning that their cell phones were missing when they fantically tried to call 911 after discovering that their "Pumpkin Pie" was not in her crib.
 ::snipping2::
"The windows were open and lights were on and she was nowhere to be found," Jeremy Irwin told "Good Morning America" today. He also said that his front door was unlocked when he returned home to find his daughter missing at 4:00 a.m. from a job as an overnight electrician.

"They took her and took all of our phones so we couldn't call anybody," Irwin said.

Lisa's mother, Deborah Bradley, said that she had left three cell phones on the kitchen counter where she had been re-programming the numbers.

"We were running around the house and were screaming for [Lisa] and she was nowhere," Bradley said. "Then I said, 'Call 911, call 911." But Jeremy couldn't find the cell phones. "They were gone."
 ::snipping2::
rwin, who lives with Deborah and her two other children from pervious relationships, described how he returned from work around 4 a.m.

"The windows were open and the lights were on, and she was no where to be found," he said. "We've been going over everything in our minds. We just don't have any idea."

Police Capt. Steve Young said there are no major leads in the case, while Kansas City police and FBI agents continued their investigation and search for the baby. More than 300 law officers have been using helicopters, all-terrain vehicles and door-to-door interviews in the search.
 ::snipping2::
Lisa was last seen at 10:30 p.m. Monday asleep in her crib at her parents' home. When her father arrived home at 4 a.m. from an overnight shift as an electrician, he discovered that Lisa was missing. The parents immediately called police.

While police initially fixated on a window and screen in the bedroom that appeared to have been tampered with and might have been where a kidnapper entered and exited, they are not certain such was the case.

"We are interviewing family and friends just to eliminate everyone's that close to the family as suspects," Officer Darin Snapp said.

He described the family's neighborhood as a "middle-class, very quiet neighborhood."

Ernie Allen of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children said that infant abduction cases are relatively rare. There have been 278 documented cases in which newborns or infants have been abducted since 1983.
Forty-six percent, or 128 cases, involved instances in which the children were taken from health care locations, hospitals, for instance. Forty percent, or 112 cases, involved children taken from homes. Of the total 278 cases, children were returned home safely in 266 instances.
"The typical profile of the abductor of an infant is a woman, usually an emotionally disturbed woman who has lost a child or wants a child for some reason," Allen told ABC News.
 ::snipping2::
Video at Link


There is a picture of Lisa on the web in a dark jumper sitting in a desk chair in front of a computer that appears to be taken from the outside of this computer room.  I have it on my desktop but cannot figure out how to add it....Help.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cookie on October 06, 2011, 03:02:35 PM
this story reminds me of the case years ago..I believe it was Samantha Eissman or something like that? anyone help me out here? she was taken from her crib too..That mom was very suspicious acting..this mother reminded me so much of that mother when she was crying while on camera..dunno..I can't help myself anymore...I am suspicious of anyone who sets off my hinky..and for some reason this mother does..can't explain it, but she comes across as insincere to me..hope I am really really wrong and that baby is ok..

Sabrina Aisenberg
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/28/national/main4298623.shtml

boy was I off on that one lol! good thing you get me and knew who I was trying to compare the story to...thanks friend!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 06, 2011, 03:02:39 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwins-parents-terrified-but-trying-to-stay-hopeful (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwins-parents-terrified-but-trying-to-stay-hopeful)
 ::snipping2::
Bradley and Lisa’s father, Jeremy Irwin, said during the brief news conference they did not know of anyone who would want to take his daughter.
 ::snipping2::
Jeremy Irwin provided investigators a list of nine individuals who the "family thought may have had something to do with their daughter's abduction."
 ::snipping2::
Bradley and Jeremy Irwin said the only other things that were missing from their home were three cell phones, one of which didn't even work. When asked to comment on the missing cell phones, Kansas City police would not confirm or deny that information.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 06, 2011, 03:05:32 PM
::snipping2::

Pinging is done automatically, especially whenever a cell phone is turned on. It is the pinging technology that enables cell phones to work, and this makes it legal.

::snipping2::

http://www.sophisticatededge.com/how-to-ping-a-cell-phone.html

Thanks for the info!  So...IF the batteries were still charged on these phone and they were on...if someone (LE) tried calling them, they should be able to gather ping info from them?  I'm sure LE has already thought of that, if so.  But was curious myself.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: labubske on October 06, 2011, 03:05:43 PM
this story reminds me of the case years ago..I believe it was Samantha Eissman or something like that? anyone help me out here? she was taken from her crib too..That mom was very suspicious acting..this mother reminded me so much of that mother when she was crying while on camera..dunno..I can't help myself anymore...I am suspicious of anyone who sets off my hinky..and for some reason this mother does..can't explain it, but she comes across as insincere to me..hope I am really really wrong and that baby is ok..

Sabrina Aisenberg
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/28/national/main4298623.shtml

boy was I off on that one lol! good thing you get me and knew who I was trying to compare the story to...thanks friend!

:) You were close enough for me to understand.  Plus, the Sabrina case was real close to home.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 03:10:59 PM
Thanks JerseyGirl, still clear as mud isn't it.  And it sure won't help our local crackpot, er cracker jack local reporters figure anything out.  Who the boys parents are doesn't much matter to me, what does matter is that the reporters cant get something relatively minor correct. 

The main reason I questioned the 2 older boys parents was if this abduction at this point of time was not by the parents was an disgruntle ex involved..
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you had questions about them.  I was only using that as an example of how poor the reporting is around here. I haven't heard anything about a disguntled ex, but I could easily have missed something.

No need to apologize.. I was just thinking out loud.. if the parents weren't involved could it been an disgruntle ex who (Parents)they a  child with.. Doesn't make sence to take cells phones, leave lights on and go down a hallway to Lisa' room to abduct her.. Open window was not to the Lisa bedroom but a computer room. Why the mention of not calling 911 right away because cell phones were missing your 1st thought would be to go to neighbors home to call. I would like to know how 911 was called in and what time and how much time had lapsed.. Where was dad's cell phone you would think he would of brought his to work with him..

Why take cells phones?

1. The perp wanted information on the cell phones
2. An alibi and evidence on cell phones


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: supersleuth99 on October 06, 2011, 03:11:31 PM
Go to case.net to look up Missouri court records.  Under Jeremy L. Irwin there is a case about paternity with a former girlfriend.  I think the former girlfriend once lived in that house.  So I'm thinking that the one boy belongs to Jeremy.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2011, 03:45:40 PM
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/06/parents-of-missing-missouri-baby-lisa-irwin-rush-to-police-command-center-is-there-a-new-lead-in-the-case/
2:26 pm ET October 6, 2011
Parents of Missing Missouri Baby Lisa Irwin Rush to Police Command Center; Is There a New Lead in the Case?
by America Live Posted in: America Live, Baby Lisa, Lisa Irwin, Megyn Kelly, Missing Missouri Baby   

The parents of missing Missouri baby Lisa Irwin were scheduled to be on America Live moments ago, but according to a family member, they were rushed to the police command center to discuss a possible new lead in the case.

A reporter at the scene joined Megyn Kelly and said that a source at the command center says they saw the couple having an animated discussion with police. After it ended, the parents got in a car and sped away. Police say that the emotional conversation was in response to a report that police were beginning to search a wooded area near the home again.
 ::snipping2::
video at link.

Thanks trimmonthelake.

Could the cancelling of the interview be the result of the discovery of the cell phones ... cell phones that could reveal activity that took place in the home the night little Lisa went missing?

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 03:47:17 PM
Best I can do - link to picture of Lisa in computer room.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/05/3190105/search-continues-for-lisa-irwin.html#slide-8


(http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2011/10/05/23/21/1k0Amp.SlMa.81.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2011, 03:56:09 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwins-parents-terrified-but-trying-to-stay-hopeful (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwins-parents-terrified-but-trying-to-stay-hopeful)
 ::snipping2::
Bradley and Lisa’s father, Jeremy Irwin, said during the brief news conference they did not know of anyone who would want to take his daughter.
 ::snipping2::
Jeremy Irwin provided investigators a list of nine individuals who the "family thought may have had something to do with their daughter's abduction."
 ::snipping2::
Bradley and Jeremy Irwin said the only other things that were missing from their home were three cell phones, one of which didn't even work. When asked to comment on the missing cell phones, Kansas City police would not confirm or deny that information.
 ::snipping2::


My daughter just arrived.  Lunch and a yak is where it is at.  With four home schooled kids ... it an event doesn't happen often.

Anyways ... I just asked her out of curiosity if one of her children went missing ... name ONE person that you could provide to investigators as possibly being involved.  Her response was that there was not ONE.

How is it that Jeremy Irwin could afford investigators with the names of NINE individuals who might possibly has taken little Lisa.

What in the heck was going on in the lives of this family that provided such an unsafe environment ... an unsafe environment that put this baby at risk of abduction?

Later, Janet
12:50 PM PT



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2011, 03:58:51 PM
Best I can do - link to picture of Lisa in computer room.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/05/3190105/search-continues-for-lisa-irwin.html#slide-8


(http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2011/10/05/23/21/1k0Amp.SlMa.81.jpg)

Thanks fatcatlurker

Lisa is a treasure ... a treasure beyond worth.

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 04:11:31 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwins-parents-terrified-but-trying-to-stay-hopeful (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwins-parents-terrified-but-trying-to-stay-hopeful)
 ::snipping2::
Bradley and Lisa’s father, Jeremy Irwin, said during the brief news conference they did not know of anyone who would want to take his daughter.
 ::snipping2::
Jeremy Irwin provided investigators a list of nine individuals who the "family thought may have had something to do with their daughter's abduction."
 ::snipping2::
Bradley and Jeremy Irwin said the only other things that were missing from their home were three cell phones, one of which didn't even work. When asked to comment on the missing cell phones, Kansas City police would not confirm or deny that information.
 ::snipping2::


My daughter just arrived.  Lunch and a yak is where it is at.  With four home schooled kids ... it an event doesn't happen often.

Anyways ... I just asked her out of curiosity if one of her children went missing ... name ONE person that you could provide to investigators as possibly being involved.  Her response was that there was not ONE.

How is it that Jeremy Irwin could afford investigators with the names of NINE individuals who might possibly has taken little Lisa.

What in the heck was going on in the lives of this family that provided such an unsafe environment ... an unsafe environment that put this baby at risk of abduction?

Later, Janet
12:50 PM PT



Just one thought - Emmanuel/Mitchell the roofer with the god complex who snatched Elizabeth Smart from her home after working there for I believe a total of 5 hours....leaving no forensic evidence of his journey thru their house and waking no one but the sister in the same room as Elizabeth.  Abducted her from her room after briefly meeting her the year before.

My fear is that this needs to be a two-pronged investigation for exactly that reason.  The bad guys are still out there in many shapes and forms and when I hear someone state they saw a man walking with a baby in a diaper after midnight I hear alarm bells.  Maybe I'm just a sucker....


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 04:16:31 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44798732/ns/today-today_people/t/parents-missing-baby-well-do-anything-get-her/#.To3RQ7KVqT9

with the irwin family's consent investigators in sterile suits to avoid contaminating the scene again searched the home. one focal point -- this window without a screen. law enforcement officials appear baffled at who could have climbed into the home, walked down the hall, snatched the baby, and then slipped out. late wednesday i spoke to jeremy irwin 's parents, baby lisa 's grandparents.

____________________________________________________________________

Could that picture of Lisa at the computer be the window in question and was the picture taken by a person standing outside that same window?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 06, 2011, 05:24:23 PM
I really hoped there would be a break in the case by now. 

I get a hinky feeling from dad.  Not so much with mom.  She seems genuinely upset.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 05:29:10 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/category/222182/search-for-lisa

another video of mom and dad and search.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 06, 2011, 05:36:25 PM
Has there been any mention of what the boys were doing when it was discovered Lisa was gone or if they've been questioned? 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 06, 2011, 05:43:06 PM
Go to case.net to look up Missouri court records.  Under Jeremy L. Irwin there is a case about paternity with a former girlfriend.  I think the former girlfriend once lived in that house.  So I'm thinking that the one boy belongs to Jeremy.
Thanks, I found that baby Lisa Renee Irwin is named after her Maternal Grandmother, Lisa A. Netz but I read somewhere that she was deceased. I will try to find where I saw that.

link to case net:

 https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name (https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 05:50:56 PM
Has there been any mention of what the boys were doing when it was discovered Lisa was gone or if they've been questioned? 

another article; http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/10/06/general-us-baby-missing_8721587.html

Snipped;

Irwin said he knew immediately that something was wrong when he returned home from work about 4 a.m. Tuesday. He checked on his 6-year-old and 8-year-old sons, then went to Lisa's room and discovered her gone."I said, `What do you mean she is not in her crib?'" said Bradley, who had checked on her daughter about five hours earlier. "I just knew, you know, that something was really wrong. We ran around the house and screaming for her, but she was nowhere."

Bradley said that's when they discovered the phones had been taken, guessing it was to delay them from calling police. As she hugged her crying sons, Bradley said, Irwin checked outside and eventually contacted police.

The couple didn't check to see if anything else had been taken, she said.

"I didn't care about any of that," Bradley said. "I still don't."

She added later: "All I can think of is that maybe somebody wanted a baby."

Also snipped for Janet;

Relatives say the parents of a missing 10-month-old Kansas City girl have given police several names as they try to think of potential suspects or people who paid especially close attention to the child.

Investigators are struggling to find solid leads in their search for Lisa Irwin, whose parents say was snatched from her crib sometime Monday night or early Tuesday.

Her mother's cousin said Thursday that the family is "scraping for anything" as they try to think of anyone who recently looked at the child strangely or paid her extra attention.

Family members said the parents are thinking more clearly about possible suspects and people with whom they may have come in recent contact, and gave police about a dozen names. Young said he wasn't aware of those conversations but said they would be typical is such cases.





Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 05:52:34 PM
I have not read anywhere about questioning the boys.  If I do I will post it.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 06, 2011, 06:01:24 PM
Since I'm relatively new here, this is the first time I've watched all you monkey super-sleuths take on a new case from the get-go.  Very impressive to watch y'all uncover stuff with all your resources.  My hat's off to all of you!

Regarding all those missing cell phones, I was thinking that IF the parents are involved, the cell phones were involved too.  As perhaps the mother fatally harmed the baby and made frantic calls to the father who then told her to sit tight until he got home to deal with the situation.  Then they got rid of the phones so that their phone activity would not be revealed.  However, this would only make sense if they do not know that phone records can be obtained by subpoena.  Hopefully the police are trying to obtain those records now.

This theory is kinda far-fetched, I know, but I just thought I'd throw it out there.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 06, 2011, 06:04:24 PM
 ::snipping2::
Irwin said..."We ran around the house and screaming for her, but she was nowhere."
::snipping2::

I wonder if the police have questioned the neighbors about hearing any screaming at that time.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 06, 2011, 06:17:06 PM

I, myself, don't have that gut 'hinky' feeling about these parents.  It's just my feeling, and could definitely be wrong, but...I just don't get that vibe with these parents.  With Aliayah...YES...definite HINK going on there...but not here.

I do have a feeling that this does involve someone close to them.  But who could be close to them, pull this off, and then not be suspected when they don't come around to visit any more.

I believe I saw it mentioned somewhere that when the dad got home, he thought it odd the lights were on ...or he noticed they were on.  Would this mean that the person that got into the house (if not one of the parents) was NOT familiar with the layout of the home thus turning on lights as they made their way out with the baby?  In this way they would avoid knocking into a wall or item in a hallway causing noise and waking someone up.  Just thoughts.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 06:17:35 PM
Missing baby Lisa Irwin: New details emerge as parents make second plea..

 ::snipping2::

It was the baby’s dad, Jeremy Irwin, who discovered Lisa was missing from her crib at around 4 a.m. Tuesday morning. He told police he had returned home after working a night shift as an electrician, went to check on the couple's children, saw their sons sleeping, and noticed the baby's crib was empty.

The couple said they ran around the house calling out the baby’s name and waking up their two young sons. The boys started crying as they scrambled to find a phone to call 911.

 ::snipping2::
“I came home from work and the front door was unlocked. Most of the lights were on in the house. The window in the front was open.

"Obviously that was all very unusual. Then I started checking on the kids – I checked on the boys first and then we checked on her [Lisa] and that’s when we realized she was gone,” Jeremy said.

 ::snipping2::

Nothing seemed out of place in the baby’s room, according to Deborah. Jeremy said, “They took her and took all of our phones so we couldn’t call anybody.”

Asked if the boys heard anything Jeremy said, “I don’t think so. The window that was open was nowhere near their bedroom so I don’t think they heard anything. They’re both pretty heavy sleepers.”

Deborah clarified that the window was in a computer room that’s also used as a second living room.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Missing baby Lisa Irwin: New details emerge as parents make second plea - National missing persons | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-new-details-emerge-as-parents-make-second-plea#ixzz1a2h4tt23




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 06:32:14 PM
Nothing seemed out of place in the baby’s room, according to Deborah. Jeremy said, “They took her and took all of our phones so we couldn’t call anybody.”


I just dont know about the phone comment..You can always go to a neighbors home to call 911 especially when it involves a missing child.. Maybe she in not thinking clearly.. Or..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 06:37:14 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby

snipped;

One neighbor told police that a stranger was seen walking a baby wearing only a diaper about 1 a.m. in the street by the baby's home. Young said this tip didn't pan out.

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also on livewire they are reporting the street is closed to thru traffic as well as this from the above article;

snipped;

The public is asked to avoid searching the area because "maintaining the integrity of the scene is paramount," Young said.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 06:39:54 PM
Just thinking Out Loud..

If someone came through the window wouldn't there be foot prints outside or some dirt leading into the room??


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2011, 06:41:11 PM
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/06/parents-of-missing-missouri-baby-lisa-irwin-rush-to-police-command-center-is-there-a-new-lead-in-the-case/
2:26 pm ET October 6, 2011
Parents of Missing Missouri Baby Lisa Irwin Rush to Police Command Center; Is There a New Lead in the Case?
by America Live Posted in: America Live, Baby Lisa, Lisa Irwin, Megyn Kelly, Missing Missouri Baby   

The parents of missing Missouri baby Lisa Irwin were scheduled to be on America Live moments ago, but according to a family member, they were rushed to the police command center to discuss a possible new lead in the case.

A reporter at the scene joined Megyn Kelly and said that a source at the command center says they saw the couple having an animated discussion with police. After it ended, the parents got in a car and sped away. Police say that the emotional conversation was in response to a report that police were beginning to search a wooded area near the home again.
 ::snipping2::
video at link.

Thanks trimmonthelake.

Could the cancelling of the interview be the result of the discovery of the cell phones ... cell phones that could reveal activity that took place in the home the night little Lisa went missing?

Janet


Jerseygirl345 makes a good point.

Could it be that cell phone activity would reveal communcation being Mom at home when something bad happened with Dad at work?

Is this way two working cells "disappeared".

Janet

+++++


So the dad came home from work.. Where was his cell phone? He didn't take his cell phone with him to work??


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2011, 06:44:35 PM
being s/b between

way s/b why

Tamikosmom is getting to that age when an afternoon nap is required.

Janet



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 06:46:28 PM
I wonder if they have dusted the place for prints.  


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 06:48:14 PM
The only thing I can contribute as to the missing phones is that a call was placed to 911 and it must of been in a timely manner to coincide with his work release time, otherwise?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2011, 06:48:21 PM
Just thinking Out Loud..

If someone came through the window wouldn't there be foot prints outside or some dirt leading into the room??

I agree.

Something does not add up.

Gotta go!  Daughter just got off her cell.  I hate those things.  I am thankful I have not bowed.  Anyways ... I am on the winning end of a game a Scrabble.

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2011, 06:49:54 PM
The only thing I can contribute as to the missing phones is that a call was placed to 911 and it must of been in a timely manner to coincide with his work release time, otherwise?

fatcatlurker

I believe cell phone records are going to provide answers regarding the happenings encompassing the disappearance of this little girl.

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 06:52:40 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby

snipped;

"The family is being cooperative with detectives," Young said. "If there were any holes in their story, we would know by now. There are no holes in their stories. There is a 10 month old who isn't where she belongs and we are trying to find her. We will keep going bigger as long as we need to."

__________________________________________________________________

ITA they will also Janet just not sure in what direction yet.  I actually am more than surprised that they don't already have this information at this point in time.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 06, 2011, 07:03:36 PM
First, keep in mind that the Dad came in at 4:00 a.m. and discovered the baby missing and then the cell phones missing.   Without the cell phones in the home, they would have to go out and find another phone, meaning waking up neighbors etc.  This would cause a delay in contacting the police.  

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/police-10-month-old-girl-abducted
 ::snipping2::
She was last seen on Monday around 10:30 p.m. when her mother put her to bed in a crib, police said. Her father is an electrician and he arrived home from an overnight shift about 4 a.m. He discovered Lisa missing and frantically called police, friends and family tell KCTV5.
 ::snipping2::  He must have gone to borrow a phone.



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12149.msg1474419#msg1474419
 ::snipping2::
There's two new details this morning, from their interviews at GMA and Today show.

There were three cellphones stolen from the home, one of them not working. It is being said that Deborah was adding numbers to her contact list and they were sitting on a counter. No details of where the counter was, on which room?
 ::snipping2::





Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 06, 2011, 07:06:48 PM
No way would someone come into my home turn on lights and me nor the kids wake up.  Wouldn't an abductor want it dark as they were leaving so as not to be seen?   Not buying this story.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 07:12:15 PM
Also in regards to cell phones - did they not have a landline?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 07:14:13 PM
Its pretty Brazon to break in and aduct a child from the front window of the home.. Notice the dirt on the ground in front of the window..

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/IrwinHome.jpg)



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 07:16:03 PM
No way would someone come into my home turn on lights and me nor the kids wake up.  Wouldn't an abductor want it dark as they were leaving so as not to be seen?   Not buying this story.


Good question.  No mention of if their bedroom doors were shut or what.  Me, I can sleep thru a war, when I sleep, so I can see it happening to me that's why I am last to bed so I can lock it all up before I go...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 07:19:04 PM
That's another thing JG.  Dad says he notices the window open and lights blazing...you'd think it would be a window by the front door?  right? 

One window with no screen...hmmm.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 07:19:59 PM
No way would someone come into my home turn on lights and me nor the kids wake up.  Wouldn't an abductor want it dark as they were leaving so as not to be seen?   Not buying this story.


Good question.  No mention of if their bedroom doors were shut or what.  Me, I can sleep thru a war, when I sleep, so I can see it happening to me that's why I am last to bed so I can lock it all up before I go...

I wonder if any of the neighbors notice the lights on that early in the morning? What time did the mom say she went to bed? Did anyone have a key to the home?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 07:23:22 PM
No way would someone come into my home turn on lights and me nor the kids wake up.  Wouldn't an abductor want it dark as they were leaving so as not to be seen?   Not buying this story.


Good question.  No mention of if their bedroom doors were shut or what.  Me, I can sleep thru a war, when I sleep, so I can see it happening to me that's why I am last to bed so I can lock it all up before I go...

I wonder if any of the neighbors notice the lights on that early in the morning? What time did the mom say she went to bed? Did anyone have a key to the home?

I only read she put baby Lisa down at 10:30 after a change with a bottle.  I have not read a bedtime for mom.  The previous girlfriend in the custody dispute for the one child has this address listed as her address - could have a key?  grandparents who appear to be neighbors?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 07:26:47 PM
No way would someone come into my home turn on lights and me nor the kids wake up.  Wouldn't an abductor want it dark as they were leaving so as not to be seen?   Not buying this story.


Good question.  No mention of if their bedroom doors were shut or what.  Me, I can sleep thru a war, when I sleep, so I can see it happening to me that's why I am last to bed so I can lock it all up before I go...

I wonder if any of the neighbors notice the lights on that early in the morning? What time did the mom say she went to bed? Did anyone have a key to the home?

I only read she put baby Lisa down at 10:30 after a change with a bottle.  I have not read a bedtime for mom.  The previous girlfriend in the custody dispute for the one child has this address listed as her address - could have a key?  grandparents who appear to be neighbors?

Hmmm...Interesting...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 07:32:45 PM
No way would someone come into my home turn on lights and me nor the kids wake up.  Wouldn't an abductor want it dark as they were leaving so as not to be seen?   Not buying this story.


Good question.  No mention of if their bedroom doors were shut or what.  Me, I can sleep thru a war, when I sleep, so I can see it happening to me that's why I am last to bed so I can lock it all up before I go...

I wonder if any of the neighbors notice the lights on that early in the morning? What time did the mom say she went to bed? Did anyone have a key to the home?

I only read she put baby Lisa down at 10:30 after a change with a bottle.  I have not read a bedtime for mom.  The previous girlfriend in the custody dispute for the one child has this address listed as her address - could have a key?  grandparents who appear to be neighbors?

Hmmm...Interesting...

I think it was posted here?  It was from 2005 and I gather he won custody.  I looked for her can't find her in any of the usual places.  Can't see someone holding a grudge that long but you never know.

someone somewhere else just pointed out another abduction where no family nor dog was awakened that I'd forgotten about...Jessica Lunsford.  It is hard to believe.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 07:37:19 PM
Police have announced a 7 p.m. news conference to provide an update on the search for Lisa Irwin. You can watch it LIVE right here on NBCActionNews.com

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/News_LiveVideo


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 07:52:01 PM
Police Talk To Missing Baby's Parents About Search..video

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29409565/detail.html#ixzz1a34gJU9M


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 08:05:18 PM
Police have announced a 7 p.m. news conference to provide an update on the search for Lisa Irwin. You can watch it LIVE right here on NBCActionNews.com

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/News_LiveVideo


Ugg According to conference Parents have stopped cooperating...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 06, 2011, 08:05:18 PM
Police have announced a 7 p.m. news conference to provide an update on the search for Lisa Irwin. You can watch it LIVE right here on NBCActionNews.com

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/News_LiveVideo
Thanks! So now the parents are not cooperating.........


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 06, 2011, 08:08:31 PM
Live press conference.

PARENTS HAVE STOPPED COOPERATING with the police.

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a2xKBfk1



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 06, 2011, 08:11:48 PM
From the previous link: "Capt. Young: "The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating""

-----

Okay, so now what?

I hope it's not just nerves and frustration.

 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 06, 2011, 08:16:40 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29412189/detail.html
Baby's Parents No Longer Cooperating With Police
10-Month-Old Lisa Irwin Disappeared From Parents' Home
POSTED: 6:48 pm CDT October 6, 2011
UPDATED: 7:07 pm CDT October 6, 2011

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Kansas City, Mo., police say the parents of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin are no longer cooperating with investigators.

The baby disappeared from her parents' home in the 3600 block of North Lister Avenue sometime between late Monday night and 4 a.m. on Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29412189/detail.html#ixzz1a3B2DfQG


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 06, 2011, 08:23:40 PM
We can assume then that what they have said was a lie.

Sheesh!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 08:32:05 PM
osted: 7:04 PM
Last Updated: 8 minutes ago

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Police announced Thursday evening that the parents of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with authorities.

"They live in the house. They have best bets on what's going on, our door is open and this doesn't help the investigation," Capt. Steve Young with the Kansas City Police Department said during a 7 p.m. news conference.

"We don't have enough suspects, if we had enough information to charge anyone, we would," Young added.

continued

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Police-Parents-of-Lisa-Irwin-quit-cooperating-with-authorities#ixzz1a3ExDGoW


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 06, 2011, 08:37:06 PM
Stopped cooperating?!?  Wow, guilty much?

Can someone explain to me one valid reason why the parents would do this?  I'm thinking perhaps LE were interrogating the parents relentlessly and they'd had enough.  However, if I had a child go missing, I'd do anything to help LE, even if it meant being asked the same questions over and over and over...

I don't see how their refusal to cooperate equates to anything less than their guilt in this awful situation.  I hope that poor baby is alright somewhere.

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2011, 08:37:54 PM
Thanks for the updates all.  I wonder if records of cell phone activity were obtained by investigators ... records that imply that there had been communication between Mom at home and Dad at work during the night ... the night that Lisa went missing.  In other words ... there is no reason for Dad's cell phone to be missing.

Is it only SM wannabe detectives who have learned that disappearing cell phones does not imply there is no record of activity?

Janet



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cookie on October 06, 2011, 08:38:05 PM
do we know if they have a landline?
we don't so I keep my cell phone on my night stand at night when we go to bed.
a mom alone while hubs is at work on the night shift would more than likely keep her cell near her in case of a break in or emergency or if hubs wanted to call her from work right?
but all 3 cells were supposedly together..and if someone breaks into a home to steal a baby, do they look around for cell phones to take with them which could track them with the pings? doesn't make sense to me..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cookie on October 06, 2011, 08:39:04 PM
also, have the parents taken lie detectors?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 06, 2011, 08:41:47 PM
Watching this video of the parents, the father is odd IMO  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Gypsy DD on October 06, 2011, 08:45:47 PM
Heartbreaking news to hear that they are not cooperating with LE..if they were innocent LE was their only chance of bringing the baby home.  No longer cooperating sounds as if they don;t like some of the questions the LE have posed and/or info LE may have gotten from the public, family and friends.

I pray that if the parents are not involved in her disappearance they come to their senses and work with LE to get their daughter home to them.  If they are involved in this I hope LE has evidence to arrest them..seems like parents are getting away with murder on a daily basis  lately.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 08:46:07 PM
Raw Video: Police Say Baby's Parents Not Cooperating

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29412662/detail.html#ixzz1a3IHTXhj


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: New Monkey on October 06, 2011, 08:52:35 PM
What would possess the parents to stop cooperating for the love of Mike?  Something is just not right.  And honestly, maybe I'm not jaded enough, but do people really abduct 10 month old babies for pedophilia?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 06, 2011, 08:54:25 PM
fatcatlurker, thanks for the info on the boys. I find it odd that we don't know more about their parts in the investigation.

Surely it wasn't that field being searched again today that made them stop cooperating.  I wonder if they wanted her to take a lie detector test.  Hopefully the police will be less inclined to protect the privacy of Debbie and Jeremy and we will start getting more/better details.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 06, 2011, 08:56:24 PM
What time did Dad leave for work?  I don't recall seeing.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 06, 2011, 08:58:55 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15637354/police-say-baby-lisas-parents-no-longer-cooperating-with-investigators
Quote
Less than 40 minutes later, police announced Thursday night that command post was folding.

 ::MonkeyShocked::  Not good, not good at all.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 08:59:17 PM
also, have the parents taken lie detectors?

Well wouldn't that clear up a lot on the parents involvement.. Maybe they were asked and declined.. Or they did take one and LE had other questions to ask them after the lie detector test results...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 09:03:08 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15637354/police-say-baby-lisas-parents-no-longer-cooperating-with-investigators
Quote
Less than 40 minutes later, police announced Thursday night that command post was folding.

 ::MonkeyShocked::  Not good, not good at all.

"They have always been free. They have been cooperative up to this point but earlier this evening they decided to stop cooperating with detectives," Young said. "It doesn't help the investigation."

He refused to say whether the parents had taken polygraph tests. He said police have no suspects.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 09:04:22 PM
wow walk the dog and everything changes...catching up now.

TY for the video JerseyGirl.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 09:07:29 PM
wow walk the dog and everything changes...catching up now.

TY for the video JerseyGirl.

Your welcome anytime...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 06, 2011, 09:10:35 PM
Watching this video of the parents, the father is odd IMO  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby

Noticed that, Klaas. That look is the same look Terri Horman had during her first interview.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 06, 2011, 09:12:16 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-desperate-parents-make-lists-suspects/story?id=14679914
Missing Baby Lisa: Parents Stop Cooperating After Making Lists of Possible Suspects
October 6, 2011

The parents of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin, missing since Monday, have stopped cooperating with authorities, according to police.

"The mother and father no longer want to talk to detectives," Kansas City, Mo., police Capt. Steve Young said. "From an investigative standpoint, we enjoyed their cooperation so far. [It] has been very beneficial to the case. But yeah, you can imagine it doesn't help the case" that the cooperation has ended.

The couple, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin of Kansas City, still are not considered suspects, Young said.

"The investigation is directed and led by hard information," Young added. "Again, we don't have any suspects. If we had enough to charge anybody with, we probably would be issuing charges."

The parents have not publicly given any reason for why they stopped cooperating, and the police won't say why either.

Earlier today, ABC News learned that Bradley and Irwin were trying to make lists of possible suspects for police by thinking about all of the people they cross paths with on a daily basis -- every grocer, utility worker who may have been in the house, former friend, classmate, neighbor or acquaintances who may have wanted a child.

They were trying to remember if anyone every took particular interest in their little girl who was last seen by Bradley on Monday night when she put Lisa to bed at the family home.

Little by little, details have emerged about the mysterious events of Monday night.

The parents revealed this morning that their cell phones were missing when they frantically tried to call 911 after discovering that their "Pumpkin Pie" was not in her crib.

Lisa's visibly shaken father also told reporters about the "unusual" state he found his home in Monday night.
"The windows were open and lights were on and she was nowhere to be found," Irwin told "Good Morning America" today. "We've been going over everything in our minds. We just don't have any idea."

Irwin said that his front door was unlocked when he returned home from work as an electrician at 4 a.m. to find his daughter missing.

"They took her and took all of our phones so we couldn't call anybody," Irwin said, according to ABC News' Kansas City affiliate KMBC.
Bradley said that she had left three cell phones on the kitchen counter, where she had been re-programming the numbers.


"We were running around the house and were screaming for [Lisa] and she was nowhere," Bradley said. "Then I said, 'Call 911, call 911.' But Jeremy couldn't find the cell phones. They were gone."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cookie on October 06, 2011, 09:15:42 PM
where was the 911 call placed from then?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: New Monkey on October 06, 2011, 09:16:10 PM
That poor mother seems absolutely genuine, imo.  She acts like I'd expect myself to act in her shoes.  I can't tell much about the father.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 06, 2011, 09:17:03 PM
So what is on the cell phones?  Pictures?  Texts?  What don't they want anyone to see?  What did they do to Lisa?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 06, 2011, 09:18:17 PM
That poor mother seems absolutely genuine, imo.  She acts like I'd expect myself to act in her shoes.  I can't tell much about the father.

I agree.  I was particularly watching the mom to see if anything seemed "off".  She seems real to me but also possible she knows her husband isn't acting right.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: New Monkey on October 06, 2011, 09:19:18 PM
That poor mother seems absolutely genuine, imo.  She acts like I'd expect myself to act in her shoes.  I can't tell much about the father.

I agree.  I was particularly watching the mom to see if anything seemed "off".  She seems real to me but also possible she knows her husband isn't acting right.
I agree with you.  It's almost like she's studying him as he is talking.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 09:19:43 PM
Just a quick thought...I wonder if the detectives wanted to talk to the boys(sons) and that put them over the edge for some reason?  


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cookie on October 06, 2011, 09:20:06 PM
they know at least 7 (?) people that they would be suspicious of taking their daughter? is that what I read?  hmmmmm....wonder if the cell phones would reveal suspicious behavior of the parents or of contacts on their phones? no reason to think so, but we have to look at every angle when a child is missing..things are just odd..I pray that these parents are innocent and that they get their child back safe! need another miracle here!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cookie on October 06, 2011, 09:20:46 PM
That poor mother seems absolutely genuine, imo.  She acts like I'd expect myself to act in her shoes.  I can't tell much about the father.

I agree.  I was particularly watching the mom to see if anything seemed "off".  She seems real to me but also possible she knows her husband isn't acting right.
I agree with you.  It's almost like she's studying him as he is talking.

it did appear that way to me too...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 09:21:36 PM
where was the 911 call placed from then?

Me Too .. Also I would  like to know what time the 911 call was made to see how much time lapsed since the father arrived home...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cookie on October 06, 2011, 09:22:18 PM
another thing that just came to me..when dad came into the house and checked all the kids..baby wasn't in her crib..did he check with mom to see if baby was in bed with her? or did he just panic right away after looking in her crib?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cookie on October 06, 2011, 09:22:50 PM
where was the 911 call placed from then?

Me Too .. Also I would  like to know what time the 911 call was made to see how much time lapsed since the father arrived home...

was wondering the same thing..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 06, 2011, 09:25:06 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15637354/police-say-baby-lisas-parents-no-longer-cooperating-with-investigators
Quote
Less than 40 minutes later, police announced Thursday night that command post was folding.

 ::MonkeyShocked::  Not good, not good at all.

"They have always been free. They have been cooperative up to this point but earlier this evening they decided to stop cooperating with detectives," Young said. "It doesn't help the investigation."

He refused to say whether the parents had taken polygraph tests. He said police have no suspects.

There was a case discussed here, Zahra Baker, I think... that the police in the beginning were publicly touting how immensely cooperative the parents were. But, they had their eyes on the stepmother from the beginning.

So MAYBE the police in this case was saying that so not to make the Irwins think they were on to them.

----

There's talk online about a relative of the family, who came from Texas, and is a lawyer. This lawyer person told the Irwins to stop talking to the police.

This is just talk, can't find official news on it... so not sure how much weight should it be given, if any at all.





Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 10:18:39 PM
This is so beyond weird imo.  LE made their statement and hauled their command post right out of there in no time flat.  Anybody else remember a case like this one?  Why would they do that?

The parents telling them they are no longer cooperating I get;

they are guilty
they are pissed
or unknown

But LE's part in this has me baffled. 

Prayers for Lisa being found and found safe.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 06, 2011, 10:22:21 PM
There's news on the live wire. The Irwins released a statement that says they never stopped cooperating with the police. They say their focus now is to find Lisa.

They will release another statement tomorrow morning.

Well, there you have it. How will THEY find lisa?

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3f0Y6SO




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 06, 2011, 10:27:43 PM
ohhhh here we go.  

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3eYAZIr

Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police


___________________________________________________________

see statement at link - http://www.kmbc.com/video/29413197/detail.html


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2011, 11:03:58 PM
Aunt of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin speaks out after police say parents stopped cooperating
Posted: 9:30 PM
Last Updated: 25 minutes ago


KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Ashley Irwin, an aunt of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin, spoke Thursday evening on behalf of Lisa’s parents after police said the parents have stopped cooperating with detectives.

“We have never stopped cooperating with the police. We’ve been cooperative from day one and we continue to assist the police with the investigation. The main goal has always been to find Lisa and bring her home. That remains the sole focus of the parents,” said Ashley Irwin.

<snipped>

Ashley Irwin said Lisa’s parents will be releasing a statement sometime Friday.

Video:
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/aunt-of-missing-10-month-old-lisa-irwin-speaks-for-family-after-police-news-conference



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 06, 2011, 11:08:29 PM
Just on local news, Debbie and Jeremy have signed a deal with a national network so they won't be talking (this according to a woman who came from the house where they are staying) and they may have also hired a lawyer.  

Edit to add link MB
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-no-new-clues-in-search-for-missing-baby-20111006,0,2371703.story


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 06, 2011, 11:09:26 PM
Sorry, here is a link to the story http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-no-new-clues-in-search-for-missing-baby-20111006,0,2371703.story (http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-no-new-clues-in-search-for-missing-baby-20111006,0,2371703.story)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 11:12:00 PM
During the conference tonight announcing the parents have stopped cooperating..

A reporter ask if this had anything to do with her flunking a polygraph test..
He responded to the reporter ..For 3 days he has not divulge details of this investigation
and he is not going to start now..

Listen to the mark points of video : .16 to .28

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15637354/police-say-baby-lisas-parents-no-longer-cooperating-with-investigators


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 06, 2011, 11:17:37 PM
Just on local news, Debbie and Jeremy have signed a deal with a national network so they won't be talking (this according to a woman who came from the house where they are staying) and they may have also hired a lawyer. 

So $$ and lawyering up   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 06, 2011, 11:18:33 PM
They need to get those cell phone records for the phones allegedly stolen.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 06, 2011, 11:25:45 PM
Just on local news, Debbie and Jeremy have signed a deal with a national network so they won't be talking (this according to a woman who came from the house where they are staying) and they may have also hired a lawyer. 

So $$ and lawyering up   ::MonkeyNoNo::
A hundred to one it is ABC again. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 11:36:43 PM
I hope i do this right.. On twitter.. Edit to add link.  MB  twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander)
PeterAlexander Peter Alexander

Irwin family says police told #LisaIrwin's mom she failed lie detector test, but says police offered no evidence.

@PeterAlexander  (http://@PeterAlexander)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2011, 11:37:38 PM
They need to get those cell phone records for the phones allegedly stolen.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 11:37:49 PM
I hope i do this right.. On twitter.. Edit to add link.  MB  twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander)
PeterAlexander Peter Alexander

Irwin family says police told #LisaIrwin's mom she failed lie detector test, but says police offered no evidence.

@PeterAlexander  (http://@PeterAlexander)

Peter Alexander
@PeterAlexander ÜT: 51.469447,-0.450387
NBC News Correspondent. Frequent flyer. Proud Brother. Northwestern Wildcat. RTs are not endorsements.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 11:39:31 PM
I hope i do this right.. On twitter..
PeterAlexander Peter Alexander

Irwin family says police told #LisaIrwin's mom she failed lie detector test, but says police offered no evidence.
Edit to fix link MB  twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander

Peter Alexander
@PeterAlexander ÜT: 51.469447,-0.450387

the link..
twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander) Edit to fix link MB

NBC News Correspondent. Frequent flyer. Proud Brother. Northwestern Wildcat. RTs are not endorsements.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 11:40:29 PM
twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander)

Edit to fix link.  MB


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 11:41:37 PM
Sorry.. I used to be able to post to the links on twitter.. For some reason i forgot how..LOL


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 06, 2011, 11:42:37 PM
I hope i do this right.. On twitter..
PeterAlexander Peter Alexander

Irwin family says police told #LisaIrwin's mom she failed lie detector test, but says police offered no evidence.
Edit to fix link MB  twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander)

Peter Alexander
@PeterAlexander ÜT: 51.469447,-0.450387
NBC News Correspondent. Frequent flyer. Proud Brother. Northwestern Wildcat. RTs are not endorsements.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6907171/ns/nightly_news-about_us/t/peter-alexander/#.To50VHLqJBk


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 06, 2011, 11:43:58 PM
Watching this video of the parents, the father is odd IMO  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby

Yeah....... you'd think he would at least be comforting his wife as upset as she was. She seemed sincere to me.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 06, 2011, 11:44:11 PM
I hope i do this right.. On twitter..
PeterAlexander Peter Alexander

Irwin family says police told #LisaIrwin's mom she failed lie detector test, but says police offered no evidence.

Edit to fix twitter link MB   twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander)


twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander)
Peter Alexander
@PeterAlexander ÜT: 51.469447,-0.450387
NBC News Correspondent. Frequent flyer. Proud Brother. Northwestern Wildcat. RTs are not endorsements.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6907171/ns/nightly_news-about_us/t/peter-alexander/#.To50VHLqJBk

Thx Klass. I was trying to post his tweets..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 06, 2011, 11:46:48 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6171/6219381864_2c108ec7a8_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 06, 2011, 11:48:34 PM
They need to get those cell phone records for the phones allegedly stolen.

 ::rhino::

Ditto Rhino.

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 06, 2011, 11:51:42 PM
Anybody think that maybe the police are trying to apply pressure to the parents hoping to help them determine if Mom or Dad are involved?

I was specifically thinking of the Peter Alexander tweet about Mom failing a lie detecter testing.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 06, 2011, 11:52:44 PM
Watching this video of the parents, the father is odd IMO  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby

Noticed that, Klaas. That look is the same look Terri Horman had during her first interview.


OMG< That was the first thing I thought of with Daddyo! Now stop with the games, where the hell is this baby?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 06, 2011, 11:58:43 PM
When this case first hit the news I had this feeling (can't explain it, just came to me) that they may be doing this for the money to be made.  Hearing that they've signed with a media organization just gave me chills.  As for mom failing a poly, well, I can see that happening.  I can also see dad passing with flying colors.  The man is not acting like the father of a missing baby, imo.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 06, 2011, 11:59:45 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315550_2532761684840_1427460667_2961776_176356769_n.jpg)
What a doll!!!
Bumped


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 07, 2011, 12:14:11 AM
Police: Family of Missing Baby No Longer Cooperating..Video....Update

With their lawyer a statement will be coming

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/12764007-7d2d-443f-8d1c-cd907f7fac1b/News/Police-Family-of-Missing-Baby-No-Longer-Cooperating





Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 12:14:13 AM
Watching this video of the parents, the father is odd IMO  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby

Yeah....... you'd think he would at least be comforting his wife as upset as she was. She seemed sincere to me.
Arm around her shoulder or something.  I wanted to comfort her and I'm a total stranger.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: beth1970 on October 07, 2011, 02:15:15 AM
Aunt of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin speaks out after police say parents stopped cooperating
Posted: 9:30 PM
Last Updated: 25 minutes ago


KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Ashley Irwin, an aunt of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin, spoke Thursday evening on behalf of Lisa’s parents after police said the parents have stopped cooperating with detectives.

“We have never stopped cooperating with the police. We’ve been cooperative from day one and we continue to assist the police with the investigation. The main goal has always been to find Lisa and bring her home. That remains the sole focus of the parents,” said Ashley Irwin.

<snipped>

Ashley Irwin said Lisa’s parents will be releasing a statement sometime Friday.

Video:
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/aunt-of-missing-10-month-old-lisa-irwin-speaks-for-family-after-police-news-conference



I don't know, if someone stole my precious angel it would take a whole heck of alot for me to stop cooperating especially this soon after Lisa disappeared.  I might go on tv to beg for her return but I could care less about "statements" and what people thought of me.  It just seems like people take advantage of even horrible tragedies to get five tiny minutes of fame/face time on tv.  Sad really.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: TnMuse on October 07, 2011, 02:29:24 AM
Watching this video of the parents, the father is odd IMO  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby

Yeah....... you'd think he would at least be comforting his wife as upset as she was. She seemed sincere to me.
Arm around her shoulder or something.  I wanted to comfort her and I'm a total stranger.
I break down in sobs myself everytime I hear Lisa's Mom try to speak.  This may only be some overzealous police work, desperate to find something, anything...because nobody has a clue...and then exhausted and broken over losing her child she just can't take any more pressure from the police.  Since the family announced they are going to speak to the media tomorrow, maybe they trust them more than the police right about now.

Now the Dad does seem strange, but could it be he is too much in shock to feel anything or to know what to do?  Some people are not able to show emotions. He talks kind of in monotone..but I thought I heard is voice waver just a little... or ?????


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 07, 2011, 06:41:26 AM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwins-parents-to-speak-with-today-show
Lisa Irwin's parents to speak with Today Show
Posted: 5:03 AM
Last Updated: 12 minutes ago

    By: Aaron Heintzelman


KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Lisa Irwin’s parents are planning to speak exclusively with NBC News Friday morning in an interview that will air on the Today Show.

Lisa was reported missing early Tuesday morning. Investigators have been working the case as abduction.

Police had said her parents were fully cooperating with the investigation, but on Thursday night, Kansas City police spokesman Capt. Steve Young said the parents have ceased their cooperation with police.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwins-parents-to-speak-with-today-show#ixzz1a5iGJOpd



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: islandmonkey on October 07, 2011, 07:47:23 AM
Thanks for the updates all.  I wonder if records of cell phone activity were obtained by investigators ... records that imply that there had been communication between Mom at home and Dad at work during the night ... the night that Lisa went missing.  In other words ... there is no reason for Dad's cell phone to be missing.

Is it only SM wannabe detectives who have learned that disappearing cell phones does not imply there is no record of activity?

Janet



This case has been fishy from the first day I read about it, then I read the parents made a list of NINE ppl who they thought might have taken her??? That in and of itself is really odd to me, and the fact all 3 phones were in the same place and taken so they couldn't call 911 ~ seriously I doubt the person that sneaks in a window and takes a baby would go out of the room the baby was in, much less to take phones when the parents can run next door to call 911......well it's just a bit too much for me to buy into. Add to that the front door was open and the light was on according to the parents (light by the door), this house isn't huge so that light stmt bothers me.....if the front door was 180 degrees from the other side of the window or it was some huge home where it was far from the window would be a "tad" bit more believable, but just barely. Smells like Trenton Duckett to me.....I pray she is alive but am cynical after all these yrs.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: islandmonkey on October 07, 2011, 07:52:55 AM
When this case first hit the news I had this feeling (can't explain it, just came to me) that they may be doing this for the money to be made.  Hearing that they've signed with a media organization just gave me chills.  As for mom failing a poly, well, I can see that happening.  I can also see dad passing with flying colors.  The man is not acting like the father of a missing baby, imo.

Signed with national media..........WTF?????  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 07, 2011, 07:56:33 AM
By KEVIN DOLAK
Oct. 7, 2011

The parents of missing Missouri baby Lisa Irwin are upset with "tough tactics" used by the police to extract information from them about what happened to their 10-month old.

The couple was displeased with how they were treated on Thursday during a day-long interrogation. Tactics allegedly used by the police included trying to turn the parents against one another, directly accused the mother of having failed a polygraph test, and accusing her of having something to do with the disappearance of her baby girl.

The parents say they are cooperating with the investigation but a statement from the Kansas City police claims the couple "no longer want to talk to detectives."

continued..

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-upset-police-tough-tactics/story?id=14688581


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: islandmonkey on October 07, 2011, 08:19:47 AM
Also in regards to cell phones - did they not have a landline?

I haven't had a landline in 10 yrs, but I keep the cell in my bedroom on the nightstand and charge it there....I'd want it close just in case I needed it in the middle of the night....again this is not adding up IMO, not by a long shot. Also, what time did the dad leave work, we don't know he arrived home right after unless LE knows something and is not sharing which I understand, and how much time elapsed between discovering Lisa missing until 911 was called. I think unless someone saw him come home around 4, right after work we only have their word to go by and I don't buy anything they stated at this point since there are too many unknowns, the info about the national media ($$$$$), and general behavoir. I do agree the mom seems more upset than the dad......but I would have a red puffy pace, swollen eyes and I would look like a wreck......she doesn't look that way IMO.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: islandmonkey on October 07, 2011, 08:23:43 AM
By KEVIN DOLAK
Oct. 7, 2011

The parents of missing Missouri baby Lisa Irwin are upset with "tough tactics" used by the police to extract information from them about what happened to their 10-month old.

The couple was displeased with how they were treated on Thursday during a day-long interrogation. Tactics allegedly used by the police included trying to turn the parents against one another, directly accused the mother of having failed a polygraph test, and accusing her of having something to do with the disappearance of her baby girl.

The parents say they are cooperating with the investigation but a statement from the Kansas City police claims the couple "no longer want to talk to detectives."

continued..

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-upset-police-tough-tactics/story?id=14688581

Tough tactics????? So FReaking what, that is norm in order to rule them out...cooperate even if your upset, otherwise they can't rule them out....surely they know the LE work from the inside out.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 07, 2011, 08:29:57 AM
Article and Interview on GMAVideo..

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The parents of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin appeared on ABC's "Good Morning America" on Friday to dispute claims that they are no longer cooperating with police.

“It’s not true we stopped cooperating,” Lisa’s mother Deborah Bradley told “Good Morning America” anchor Robin Roberts. “Since all this happened, we never stopped cooperating.”

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29415500/detail.html#ixzz1a69eJKjN


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 08:33:09 AM
Article and Interview on GMAVideo..

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The parents of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin appeared on ABC's "Good Morning America" on Friday to dispute claims that they are no longer cooperating with police.

“It’s not true we stopped cooperating,” Lisa’s mother Deborah Bradley told “Good Morning America” anchor Robin Roberts. “Since all this happened, we never stopped cooperating.”

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29415500/detail.html#ixzz1a69eJKjN

Well, given that LE is saying they are NOT cooperating, there is something that they aren't sharing with LE.  So, share.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 07, 2011, 08:36:00 AM
Article and Interview on GMAVideo..

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The parents of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin appeared on ABC's "Good Morning America" on Friday to dispute claims that they are no longer cooperating with police.

“It’s not true we stopped cooperating,” Lisa’s mother Deborah Bradley told “Good Morning America” anchor Robin Roberts. “Since all this happened, we never stopped cooperating.”

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29415500/detail.html#ixzz1a69eJKjN

Well, given that LE is saying they are NOT cooperating, there is something that they aren't sharing with LE.  So, share.

i had to listen to the interview 3 times.. Deborah was ask did she fail a polygraph.. She responded.. Yea ,,,then went off the subject..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: tcumom on October 07, 2011, 08:36:59 AM
Just saw GMA a few minutes ago.  Leaving for school.  Hope it's okay that I don't have a link.

On GMA, talking with parents, it was the first time the Dad had ever worked at night .   ::MonkeyShocked::

Hope I have that info correctly written .


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 08:37:28 AM
Ask Marc Klass and John Walsh about LE investigations into missing kids.  They can tell you about being interrogated.   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: beth1970 on October 07, 2011, 08:40:05 AM
Thanks for the updates all.  I wonder if records of cell phone activity were obtained by investigators ... records that imply that there had been communication between Mom at home and Dad at work during the night ... the night that Lisa went missing.  In other words ... there is no reason for Dad's cell phone to be missing.

Is it only SM wannabe detectives who have learned that disappearing cell phones does not imply there is no record of activity?

Janet



So the dad is off working in the middle of the night without his cell.  The mom leaves her cell on the counter and not in her bedroom despite the fact that an emergency may arise or something happen to the dad at work. And why didn't the mom have a monitor?  My daughter is 2 1/2 & I not only have a video monitor so I can actually see her but a backup one with sound only just in case she needs me.  Lastly, it seems they are enjoying the "spotlight" by going on tv so early on.  Appealing to the public for help or the perpetrator to bring the baby back is one thing but just to have your face on tv is another.   I'm not feeling good about this at all.

This case has been fishy from the first day I read about it, then I read the parents made a list of NINE ppl who they thought might have taken her??? That in and of itself is really odd to me, and the fact all 3 phones were in the same place and taken so they couldn't call 911 ~ seriously I doubt the person that sneaks in a window and takes a baby would go out of the room the baby was in, much less to take phones when the parents can run next door to call 911......well it's just a bit too much for me to buy into. Add to that the front door was open and the light was on according to the parents (light by the door), this house isn't huge so that light stmt bothers me.....if the front door was 180 degrees from the other side of the window or it was some huge home where it was far from the window would be a "tad" bit more believable, but just barely. Smells like Trenton Duckett to me.....I pray she is alive but am cynical after all these yrs.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: beth1970 on October 07, 2011, 08:40:44 AM
Thanks for the updates all.  I wonder if records of cell phone activity were obtained by investigators ... records that imply that there had been communication between Mom at home and Dad at work during the night ... the night that Lisa went missing.  In other words ... there is no reason for Dad's cell phone to be missing.

Is it only SM wannabe detectives who have learned that disappearing cell phones does not imply there is no record of activity?

Janet



So the dad is off working in the middle of the night without his cell.  The mom leaves her cell on the counter and not in her bedroom despite the fact that an emergency may arise or something happen to the dad at work. And why didn't the mom have a monitor?  My daughter is 2 1/2 & I not only have a video monitor so I can actually see her but a backup one with sound only just in case she needs me.  Lastly, it seems they are enjoying the "spotlight" by going on tv so early on.  Appealing to the public for help or the perpetrator to bring the baby back is one thing but just to have your face on tv is another.   I'm not feeling good about this at all.

This case has been fishy from the first day I read about it, then I read the parents made a list of NINE ppl who they thought might have taken her??? That in and of itself is really odd to me, and the fact all 3 phones were in the same place and taken so they couldn't call 911 ~ seriously I doubt the person that sneaks in a window and takes a baby would go out of the room the baby was in, much less to take phones when the parents can run next door to call 911......well it's just a bit too much for me to buy into. Add to that the front door was open and the light was on according to the parents (light by the door), this house isn't huge so that light stmt bothers me.....if the front door was 180 degrees from the other side of the window or it was some huge home where it was far from the window would be a "tad" bit more believable, but just barely. Smells like Trenton Duckett to me.....I pray she is alive but am cynical after all these yrs.

grrrr got in box sorry


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 08:43:47 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29415500/detail.html

From this link....seems LE suspects mom because from her own words, she can't fill in gaps in her story.

Watch dad.  The guy acts drugged.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2011, 08:46:23 AM
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/missing-mo-girls-mother-1196168.html
Missing Mo. girl's mother says police accused her
October 7, 2011

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The mother of a 10-month-old girl who went missing from their Kansas City home says police accused her of being involved in the baby's disappearance.
Deborah Bradley, who wept throughout the interview with ABC's "Good Morning America" Friday, says she understands such accusations are part of the investigation into the disappearance of her daughter, Lisa Irwin.

Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, Lisa's father, sidestepped a question about whether they have taken, or failed, polygraph tests. Kansas City police spokesman Steve Young meanwhile declined to tell KSHB-TV whether they have been tested, citing the ongoing investigation.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 08:48:20 AM
So, who is the last person, outside of that home, that has seen this child?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 08:49:54 AM
I just asked hubby how hard a list of nine would be...just to compare with what I thought and he said not at all.    Guess its a time and place kinda thing because its not like we are surrounded by criminals either...lol.  and geezzz we ar dinks hate to think of adding kids and all the peeps they bring to your life.

Anyway I am keeping the faith that this family will have a break today when they see no one looking for Lisa.  If they are true(not lying) that mom is going to go out of her mind very very soon.....infact I would expect a meltdown today!!

Failed ldt and a few quirks is one thing.....to go Terri horman, billy joe dunn is an entirely different matter.  They need to get over it or just admit the guilt.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2011, 08:52:30 AM
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/10/07/general-us-baby-missing_8722440.html
Missing Mo. girl's mother says police accused her
October 7, 2011

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The mother of a 10-month-old girl who went missing from their Kansas City home says police accused her of being involved in the baby's disappearance.

Deborah Bradley, who wept throughout the interview with ABC's "Good Morning America" Friday, says she understands such accusations are part of the investigation into the disappearance of her daughter, Lisa Irwin.
Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, Lisa's father, sidestepped a question about whether they have taken, or failed, polygraph tests. Kansas City police spokesman Steve Young meanwhile declined to tell KSHB-TV whether they have been tested, citing the ongoing investigation.
 ::snipping2::
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

The parents of a missing 10-month-old Missouri girl planned to make a public statement Friday after police announced that the couple had stopped talking with detectives investigating the baby's disappearance.
Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley didn't speak to the media Thursday night after a police news conference accusing them of no longer cooperating, but relatives read a statement insisting they never had stopped. The family said the couple would have more to say Friday.

"We've been cooperative from day one, and we continue to assist the police with the investigation," the family statement said.

After their Thursday night news conference, authorities announced they were shutting down the command post about a mile from the family home. Police spokesman Darin Snapp sent out a news release saying authorities believed they had done everything they could "regarding geographic searches.
Authorities released few other details and reiterated they still have no suspects in their search for Lisa Irwin, whose parents say was snatched from her crib sometime late Monday or early Tuesday. Kansas City police spokesman Steve Young declined to elaborate on what would happen to the investigation without the parents' cooperation.

"Tonight, they decided to stop talking to detectives, and I don't have to illustrate how that affects the investigation. That speaks for itself," Young said.
 ::snipping2::
But Young said the parents' claim that whoever took their daughter also stole their cellphones hadn't produced any leads.

"They told us three cellphones were missing. It hasn't produced anything we can go forward with," Young said. "The investigation is directed and handled by hard information."

Family members didn't take questions at their news conference Thursday night, and police didn't immediately return a call for comment about the family statement.
 ::snipping2::
Investigators focused their search Thursday on a heavily wooded area, sewers and an industrial park. About 100 officers scoured the industrial area and adjacent woods, while others were lifting drain covers and crawling inside.

Earlier in the day, a cousin of the baby's mother said Lisa's parents have given police more than a dozen names as they try to think of potential suspects or people who paid especially close attention to the child.

"We're scraping for anything, anyone who was at the house, who looked at her strange. Anything," said Mike Lerette.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Red on October 07, 2011, 08:53:59 AM
10 Month Old Lisa Irwin Still Missing in Kansas City, MO … Police Say Parents Not Cooperating, Searches End?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/10/07/10-month-old-lisa-irwin-still-missing-in-kansas-city-mo-police-say-parents-not-cooperating-searches-ended/

Quote
The family has denied that they have stopped coopering with police. As reported at ABC News, the family is upset with the tough tactic they are using to get information. WHAT! ARE YOU SERIOUS? RED FLAG. The mother of missing Lisa Irwin stated that the police accused her of the crime. No kidding, REALLY? states that the police  A family with a missing baby that was abducted from their home should only be concerned with find the child and the hell with how police are trying to do their job. That is unless they have something to hide? Any time a child/person goes missing from a home, of course those that live in the home are going to come under suspicion. Especially when the crime scene, the room of 10 month old Lisa Irwin, looked untouched with nothing out of place.

 ::snipping2::

Let's hope the family is still cooperating, if not ... that's an issue.

How any family would not think they would be eyed by police live in fantasy land. The crime occurred under their roof. They need to say, question me, i will prove i am innocent and look for the real criminal. If not, there might be something to hide. Just saying


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 08:57:09 AM
Just saw GMA a few minutes ago.  Leaving for school.  Hope it's okay that I don't have a link.

On GMA, talking with parents, it was the first time the Dad had ever worked at night .   ::MonkeyShocked::

Hope I have that info correctly written .
I've looked for this and can't find it.  the links I've seen are just clips.  Anyone know where the full interview can be found?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 09:01:29 AM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813949/ns/today-today_people/#.To73Jt4g_UA

Father of missing baby: 'I reached my boiling point'

Yikes


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2011, 09:09:38 AM


10 Month Old Lisa Irwin Still Missing in Kansas City, MO … Police Say Parents Not Cooperating, Searches End?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/10/07/10-month-old-lisa-irwin-still-missing-in-kansas-city-mo-police-say-parents-not-cooperating-searches-ended/

Quote
The family has denied that they have stopped coopering with police. As reported at ABC News, the family is upset with the tough tactic they are using to get information. WHAT! ARE YOU SERIOUS? RED FLAG. The mother of missing Lisa Irwin stated that the police accused her of the crime. No kidding, REALLY? states that the police  A family with a missing baby that was abducted from their home should only be concerned with find the child and the hell with how police are trying to do their job. That is unless they have something to hide? Any time a child/person goes missing from a home, of course those that live in the home are going to come under suspicion. Especially when the crime scene, the room of 10 month old Lisa Irwin, looked untouched with nothing out of place.


 ::snipping2::

Let's hope the family is still cooperating, if not ... that's an issue.

How any family would not think they would be eyed by police live in fantasy land. The crime occurred under their roof. They need to say, question me, i will prove i am innocent and look for the real criminal. If not, there might be something to hide. Just saying

Yes, I would think the family would be questioned and questioned hard and very closely because the baby was last seen in their home by them.  They must be eliminated as suspects.  The questioning could also reveal some detail that the parents may have forgotten or didn't realize would be important.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 09:12:27 AM
http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-baby-lisa-parents-upset-police-tough-tactics-104520095.html

Missing Baby Lisa: Parents Upset With Police Tough Tactics

This has a bit more of the text but no video.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Red on October 07, 2011, 09:21:36 AM
10 Month Old Lisa Irwin Still Missing in Kansas City, MO … Police Say Parents Not Cooperating, Searches End? (UPDATE: Mom Said to have Failed Lie Detector Test)

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/10/07/10-month-old-lisa-irwin-still-missing-in-kansas-city-mo-police-say-parents-not-cooperating-searches-ended/

Police continued to urge anyone with any information to call police or 816-474-TIPS (8477).

Quote
UPDATE I: The mother of missing Lisa Irwin, Deborah Bradley, said to have failed a lie detector -  polygraph earlier this week.

The mother of a 10-month-old girl who disappeared from their Kansas City home says police told her she failed a lie detector test.

Twenty-five-year-old Deborah Bradley told The Associated Press Friday that she took the polygraph earlier this week after her baby, Lisa Irwin, went missing late Monday or early Tuesday.
::snipping2::

Umm ...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: supersleuth99 on October 07, 2011, 09:21:51 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29415500/detail.html

From this link....seems LE suspects mom because from her own words, she can't fill in gaps in her story.

Watch dad.  The guy acts drugged.

The dad looks scared to death ...

I follow Peter Hyatt's blog who can tell if a person is being truthful or not by the words they use.  He thinks that the baby make have been shaken to death.


http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Red on October 07, 2011, 09:22:26 AM

Mom of missing tot says she took lie detector test


Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Mom-of-missing-tot-says-she-took-lie-detector-test-2207009.php#ixzz1a6MuB9gm


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 09:31:08 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29415500/detail.html

From this link....seems LE suspects mom because from her own words, she can't fill in gaps in her story.

Watch dad.  The guy acts drugged.

The dad looks scared to death ...

I follow Peter Hyatt's blog who can tell if a person is being truthful or not by the words they use.  He thinks that the baby make have been shaken to death.


http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/
http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2011/10/lisa-irwin-missing-hotspots.html
I follow Eyes for Lies.

If I were to assume she is deceased, I'd think she were over medicated since she was reported to have had a cold with cough. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 09:34:32 AM

Mom of missing tot says she took lie detector test


Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Mom-of-missing-tot-says-she-took-lie-detector-test-2207009.php#ixzz1a6MuB9gm

<snipped>

Lisa's father, Jeremy Irwin, says he has offered to take a lie detector test, but that police say that's not necessary.

<snipped>



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 09:36:40 AM

Mom of missing tot says she took lie detector test


Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Mom-of-missing-tot-says-she-took-lie-detector-test-2207009.php#ixzz1a6MuB9gm

<snipped>

Lisa's father, Jeremy Irwin, says he has offered to take a lie detector test, but that police say that's not necessary.

<snipped>



<snipped>

Twenty-five-year-old Deborah Bradley told The Associated Press Friday that she took the polygraph earlier this week after her baby, Lisa Irwin, went missing late Monday or early Tuesday.

Bradley says police told her she failed the test. She says they didn't show her any paperwork verifying the results.

<snipped>



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 09:40:37 AM
If the three phones allegedly taken were prepaid phones, is there any way to get records of numbers called, contacts, text messages sent?  I don't know that much about prepaid cells.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 07, 2011, 09:43:13 AM
http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-baby-lisa-parents-upset-police-tough-tactics-104520095.html
Missing Baby Lisa: Parents Upset With Police Tough Tactics
By KEVIN DOLAK | Good Morning America – 1 hour 0 minutes ago

 ::snipping2::
"From the start when they've questioned me, once I couldn't fill in gaps, it turned into 'you did it, you did it,'" Deborah Bradley told "Good Morning America" on Friday. "They took a picture down from the table and said 'look at your baby! And do what's right for her!' I kept saying I don't know ... I just sat there. I didn't even ask to leave - I just let them keep asking questions."

Jeremy Irwin said that he needed to take a break from the intensive questioning and soon saw a police press conference where they stated that the parents had ceased to work with police on the investigation.

"We were in interrogated for a really long time Tuesday there again, answering questions….I just couldn't' take it anymore," he said. "I told them I had to have a break -- no more questions today. I asked to be let go, and they let me go from police station. An hour late was when we saw the press conference from them."

Both parents vehemently denied on "GMA" that they had any involvement with their daughter's disappearance, and reiterated their willingness to cooperate.

"We continue to ask, answer all the questions the best we can and do everything they tell us to do and so I mean, we've done everything we can do," Bradley said.

That conflicted with what Kansas City, Mo., police Capt. Steve Young said earlier.

"The mother and father no longer want to talk to detectives," Young said. "From an investigative standpoint, we enjoyed their cooperation. So far, [it] has been very beneficial to the case. But yeah, you can imagine it doesn't help the case" [that the cooperation has ended].
 ::snipping2::

 ::snipping2::
The parents revealed this morning that their cell phones were missing when they frantically tried to call 911 after discovering that their "Pumpkin Pie" was not in her crib.

Lisa's visibly shaken father also told reporters about the "unusual" state he found his home in Monday night.

"The windows were open and lights were on and she was nowhere to be found," Irwin told "Good Morning America" today. "We've been going over everything in our minds. We just don't have any idea."

Irwin said that his front door was unlocked when he returned home from work as an electrician at 4 a.m. to find his daughter missing.

"They took her and took all of our phones so we couldn't call anybody," Irwin said, according to ABC News' Kansas City affiliate KMBC.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: labubske on October 07, 2011, 09:51:44 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29415500/detail.html

The above video says a lot to me...(it's the same one that Kittymom posted).  She skipped right over being asked the question of failing the polygraph...she went into an entirely different subject.  Who out there that is NOT guilty would worry about being questioned over and over by the police...WHO?  Someone guilty.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 09:58:02 AM
If the three phones allegedly taken were prepaid phones, is there any way to get records of numbers called, contacts, text messages sent?  I don't know that much about prepaid cells.

I have one paid for with cash, no id, bought a minutes card for it.  You basically use codes to do the calls.  I think they could probably be traced but not easily...

New phones do not allow you to turn off gps positioning for 911, older models did...I know because I turn off the gps except for 911 when I first get the phone.  


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 10:05:25 AM

Mom of missing tot says she took lie detector test


Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Mom-of-missing-tot-says-she-took-lie-detector-test-2207009.php#ixzz1a6MuB9gm

<snipped>

Lisa's father, Jeremy Irwin, says he has offered to take a lie detector test, but that police say that's not necessary.

<snipped>



hmmm.  Seems to me if he knows they could of asked that on the ldt (why did mom fail, do you think she did something with Lisa) so why not give one anyway.  I mean even if subconsciously he feels her guilt it might pick up on that...maybe.  Failed ldt don't bother me to much; it depends on what they do now but they could of compared the two at the least.  So I guess it's a wait and see...i hate this.

I hope they are out of there minds and run to LE or just do something/anything to find Lisa.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 10:15:06 AM
Just saw GMA a few minutes ago.  Leaving for school.  Hope it's okay that I don't have a link.

On GMA, talking with parents, it was the first time the Dad had ever worked at night .   ::MonkeyShocked::

Hope I have that info correctly written .

tcumom

The video that Red posted reveals that the night Lisa went missing was the first time he worked the night shift.

Janet

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10 Month Old Lisa Irwin Still Missing in Kansas City, MO … Police Say Parents Not Cooperating, Searches End? (UPDATE: Mom Said to have Failed Lie Detector Test)
 
Lisa Irwin still missing … police claim that parents are no longer cooperating. Where is and what happened to 10 month old Lisa Irwin?

Posted October 7, 2011 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/10/07/10-month-old-lisa-irwin-still-missing-in-kansas-city-mo-police-say-parents-not-cooperating-searches-ended/



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 10:17:55 AM
Just saw GMA a few minutes ago.  Leaving for school.  Hope it's okay that I don't have a link.

On GMA, talking with parents, it was the first time the Dad had ever worked at night .   ::MonkeyShocked::

Hope I have that info correctly written .

tcumom

The video that Red posted reveals that the night Lisa went missing was the first time he worked the night shift.

Janet

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10 Month Old Lisa Irwin Still Missing in Kansas City, MO … Police Say Parents Not Cooperating, Searches End? (UPDATE: Mom Said to have Failed Lie Detector Test)
 
Lisa Irwin still missing … police claim that parents are no longer cooperating. Where is and what happened to 10 month old Lisa Irwin?

Posted October 7, 2011 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/10/07/10-month-old-lisa-irwin-still-missing-in-kansas-city-mo-police-say-parents-not-cooperating-searches-ended/


Whoa....so, on the first night that the man of the house isn't in the house, the baby goes missing.  Well, no wonder LE is questioning the mom.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 10:21:33 AM
Has anyone seen Debbie Bradley's family speaking to media?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Gypsy DD on October 07, 2011, 10:22:53 AM
I don't know what to think at this point.  I can see parents being questioned to the point of exhaustion both physically and mentally and asking to take a break from the LE interrogations.  Taking a break doesn't mean you are not cooperating..it means you need a break..you are exhausted.  The LE obviously looked at that as not cooperating..the family says not true..they are and still want to cooperate with LE.

I would think that in this situation , if the lawyer is related to the family, they may have advised them they have a right to take a break after hours of questioning.

The failed lie detector test looks bad..but under the stress of the situation  and if the mother has been given any drugs to help her cope, it is useless...and most people are advised not to take an LD test when they are under so much stress.

I just don't know what to think...it bothers me that LE folded up their search and walked away.  Even if it is the family they still need to keep looking for this baby...and if it is someone else then they need to keep a prescence in the community.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: goodnmad on October 07, 2011, 10:30:54 AM
Trying to suspend judgment on the parents for the moment. I'll remind you of the Riley Fox case. 3 yr old raped and murdered. Police focused on dad to the exclusion of others ... missed clues. Dad even confessed under pressure. A RSO was later linked by DNA and he confessed to the crime ... said he was going to rob the house but when he saw the girl, he decided to take her. So, this is not necessarily someone plotting to take a baby. What I'm saying is -- you just never know.It is incredibly sad. And I imagine if this is truly a kidnapping, the parents are absolutely lost and their minds are spinning.  IMHO.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 10:34:57 AM
Just saw GMA a few minutes ago.  Leaving for school.  Hope it's okay that I don't have a link.

On GMA, talking with parents, it was the first time the Dad had ever worked at night .   ::MonkeyShocked::

Hope I have that info correctly written .
I've looked for this and can't find it.  the links I've seen are just clips.  Anyone know where the full interview can be found?

This would certainly narrow down the list of known suspects.  Who knew that he was on night shift for the first time that particular night?  Just my thoughts.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 10:43:05 AM
If the three phones allegedly taken were prepaid phones, is there any way to get records of numbers called, contacts, text messages sent?  I don't know that much about prepaid cells.

I have one paid for with cash, no id, bought a minutes card for it.  You basically use codes to do the calls.  I think they could probably be traced but not easily...

New phones do not allow you to turn off gps positioning for 911, older models did...I know because I turn off the gps except for 911 when I first get the phone.  

im not sure,but i think the phone can ping when turned off too,(last ping)
not sure how long that takes to get the ping info,by LE
and if the sim card is removed,i dont think gps or pings can be tracked
wish i could find the article that had info about ping and towers and LE using that info


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Sister on October 07, 2011, 10:43:06 AM
I don't know what to think at this point.  I can see parents being questioned to the point of exhaustion both physically and mentally and asking to take a break from the LE interrogations.  Taking a break doesn't mean you are not cooperating..it means you need a break..you are exhausted.  The LE obviously looked at that as not cooperating..the family says not true..they are and still want to cooperate with LE.

I would think that in this situation , if the lawyer is related to the family, they may have advised them they have a right to take a break after hours of questioning.

The failed lie detector test looks bad..but under the stress of the situation  and if the mother has been given any drugs to help her cope, it is useless...and most people are advised not to take an LD test when they are under so much stress.

I just don't know what to think...it bothers me that LE folded up their search and walked away.  Even if it is the family they still need to keep looking for this baby...and if it is someone else then they need to keep a prescence in the community.
ITA


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 10:44:31 AM
Trying to suspend judgment on the parents for the moment. I'll remind you of the Riley Fox case. 3 yr old raped and murdered. Police focused on dad to the exclusion of others ... missed clues. Dad even confessed under pressure. A RSO was later linked by DNA and he confessed to the crime ... said he was going to rob the house but when he saw the girl, he decided to take her. So, this is not necessarily someone plotting to take a baby. What I'm saying is -- you just never know.It is incredibly sad. And I imagine if this is truly a kidnapping, the parents are absolutely lost and their minds are spinning.  IMHO.
I think cases like Riley Fox are rare.  Most child abductions are by someone known to the family.  Given the info that a) it was the first night dad was working b) it was the first night mom left the front door unlocked        chances of a stranger deciding to break into the home (in the front window, in a close community) are slim. 

I can't say for certain what happened.  But I can say that I've got a strange feeling about this case truly being a stranger abduction.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: goodnmad on October 07, 2011, 10:46:38 AM
Trying to suspend judgment on the parents for the moment. I'll remind you of the Riley Fox case. 3 yr old raped and murdered. Police focused on dad to the exclusion of others ... missed clues. Dad even confessed under pressure. A RSO was later linked by DNA and he confessed to the crime ... said he was going to rob the house but when he saw the girl, he decided to take her. So, this is not necessarily someone plotting to take a baby. What I'm saying is -- you just never know.It is incredibly sad. And I imagine if this is truly a kidnapping, the parents are absolutely lost and their minds are spinning.  IMHO.
I think cases like Riley Fox are rare.  Most child abductions are by someone known to the family.  Given the info that a) it was the first night dad was working b) it was the first night mom left the front door unlocked        chances of a stranger deciding to break into the home (in the front window, in a close community) are slim. 

I can't say for certain what happened.  But I can say that I've got a strange feeling about this case truly being a stranger abduction.

In any case, I hope it is solved soon. Still holding on to hope that little Lisa is alive and well. We need some good news.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 10:51:03 AM
Trying to suspend judgment on the parents for the moment. I'll remind you of the Riley Fox case. 3 yr old raped and murdered. Police focused on dad to the exclusion of others ... missed clues. Dad even confessed under pressure. A RSO was later linked by DNA and he confessed to the crime ... said he was going to rob the house but when he saw the girl, he decided to take her. So, this is not necessarily someone plotting to take a baby. What I'm saying is -- you just never know.It is incredibly sad. And I imagine if this is truly a kidnapping, the parents are absolutely lost and their minds are spinning.  IMHO.
I think cases like Riley Fox are rare.  Most child abductions are by someone known to the family.  Given the info that a) it was the first night dad was working b) it was the first night mom left the front door unlocked        chances of a stranger deciding to break into the home (in the front window, in a close community) are slim. 

I can't say for certain what happened.  But I can say that I've got a strange feeling about this case truly being a stranger abduction.

In any case, I hope it is solved soon. Still holding on to hope that little Lisa is alive and well. We need some good news.
I totally agree.  Its time one of the lost ones is returned home and the world gets to see a happy ending. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 11:01:43 AM
If the three phones allegedly taken were prepaid phones, is there any way to get records of numbers called, contacts, text messages sent?  I don't know that much about prepaid cells.

I have one paid for with cash, no id, bought a minutes card for it.  You basically use codes to do the calls.  I think they could probably be traced but not easily...

New phones do not allow you to turn off gps positioning for 911, older models did...I know because I turn off the gps except for 911 when I first get the phone.  

im not sure,but i think the phone can ping when turned off too,(last ping)
not sure how long that takes to get the ping info,by LE
and if the sim card is removed,i dont think gps or pings can be tracked
wish i could find the article that had info about ping and towers and LE using that info


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http://nky-criminal-defense-lawyer.com/2010/10/how-can-police-track-location-by-a-cell-phone-ping/

snipped;

The best information available shows that if a phone is turned OFF, their will be no ping or ability to follow the person’s general whereabouts based on their cell phone location. That said, many smartphones and other advanced cell phones are difficult, if not impossible, to turn OFF. The best ability to track a person’s location is if calls or texts are made or received.
___________________________________________________________________________
BBM to reiterate what I previously stated about new phones....they are watching us; food for thought.

another site; http://blog.a1peoplesearch.com/2007/11/cell-phone-ping-is-it-legal.html

_______________
knowing that it would at the least be in LE's favor to investigate the phones imo.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 11:03:52 AM
thats the 1st time ive heard he came home early,wonder why

Earlier in the day, Irwin and Bradley spoke to the media about frantically searching their home for any sign of their daughter after her father came home from work early and she wasn't in her crib. They said they found an open window, an unlocked front door and house lights blazing, and later discovered that their three cellphones were gone.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813949/ns/today-today_people/t/father-missing-baby-i-reached-my-boiling-point/
 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 11:07:59 AM
CW618 you are correct about the last call being the best method of tracking from what I read.  I just re-read your post and saw that.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 07, 2011, 11:11:33 AM
So, what are the options as to what happened?

1. mother
2. father
3. brothers
4. other family member
5. neighbor
6. friend
7. co-worker
8. woman wanting a baby
9. pervert
10. stranger who wondered off during the day or night and decided to steal the baby
11. robbery turned into baby stealing

The mother could've done it. The baby was sick with a cold, maybe cranky. The mother was tired and husband was out working, so she couldn't ask him to calm the baby down. Mother looses it, hurts baby and then has five or six hours to get rid of the body. Which makes you wonder if they had a car parked at the home that she could use, or if she walked.

The father could've done it, also. He got home before the time he says he did, he was tired and hadn't sleep, baby was fuzzy, he lost it. Then he got rid of the body, came back and woke mother up.

The father says the brothers were sleeping, and if either of them did something to the baby they wouldn't be venturing outside in the middle of the night. So, unless father helped after the fact, they didn't do it.

The other family members don't seem to be part of it, since they look like nice people. Only Jeremy's ex, the mother of his son, could have enough reason to cause the family pain.

Could've been a neighbor, but there was thorough searches done by police. Doubt it, but you never know.

Same about friends. The parents would have an idea if they suspected a friend.

Since it was the first time he worked at night in that particular job, maybe a coworker took advantage of the situation and committed the crime while dad was at work. Someone here wrote about sex offenders who worked for the same employer. I hope police do check their alibis well.

If a woman wanted the baby, Deborah should have an idea. I mean, the perpetrator knew the schedule, that the father wouldn't be home, that neighbors wouldn't be walking their dogs, etc... if a woman wanting a baby was the culprit, then she would've been snooping or asking questions before it happened.

A stranger could've done it, or someone who just happened to ride or walk by. Still, the area is well lit, there is a lamp post right outside the house, the house is just like any other in the block, nothing sticks out.

If it was a robbery, why take the baby? Why only steal the three phones.

The more I look at it, the more likely that we don't know the whole story and that the parents may be keeping something secret. Of course, there is always the possibility that a stranger took her, I hope the police keep their minds open to that.

It's hard to tell what happened, but I hope we get to hear more from the mother as to what happened, with gaps filled in, please.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 11:21:26 AM
snipped from
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12149.msg1474739#msg1474739
Quote
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http://nky-criminal-defense-lawyer.com/2010/10/how-can-police-track-location-by-a-cell-phone-ping/

snipped;

The best information available shows that if a phone is turned OFF, their will be no ping or ability to follow the person’s general whereabouts based on their cell phone location. That said, many smartphones and other advanced cell phones are difficult, if not impossible, to turn OFF. The best ability to track a person’s location is if calls or texts are made or received.
___________________________________________________________________________
BBM to reiterate what I previously stated about new phones....they are watching us; food for thought.

another site; http://blog.a1peoplesearch.com/2007/11/cell-phone-ping-is-it-legal.html

_______________
knowing that it would at the least be in LE's favor to investigate the phones imo.

 
TY,agreed about LE,yet they say that missing phone info doesnt help them,so what are the LE
really saying,maybe the phones hadnt been used that day or not used since the morn of that day
or maybe turned off that morn or the day b4,there has to be a reason why that info doesnt help LE


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 07, 2011, 11:28:30 AM
I don't know what to think at this point.  I can see parents being questioned to the point of exhaustion both physically and mentally and asking to take a break from the LE interrogations.  Taking a break doesn't mean you are not cooperating..it means you need a break..you are exhausted.  The LE obviously looked at that as not cooperating..the family says not true..they are and still want to cooperate with LE.

I would think that in this situation , if the lawyer is related to the family, they may have advised them they have a right to take a break after hours of questioning.

The failed lie detector test looks bad..but under the stress of the situation  and if the mother has been given any drugs to help her cope, it is useless...and most people are advised not to take an LD test when they are under so much stress.

I just don't know what to think...it bothers me that LE folded up their search and walked away.  Even if it is the family they still need to keep looking for this baby...and if it is someone else then they need to keep a prescence in the community.
ITA

ITA, as well.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: 4 Donks on October 07, 2011, 11:41:42 AM
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/

Lisa Irwin's Parents Deceptive


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 11:48:12 AM
CW618 - true - but they should atleast check the last ping record to be sure?  I think atleast two phones had to be on as mom said she was transferring the numbers.  so they should have a last ping at the home.

Maybe they did and the phones have no value as evidence.  LE Young said that another dept had the phones and he did not know how that was going??  IIRC from presser yesterday.    

I think personally that this LE is trying everything as far as the family goes I am sure we are not the only ones jaded to child murdering parents unfortunatly.  and with no other evidence what more can they do.  jmo

I believe the focus is small due to the search area by LE, same area, repeated searches which also leads me to believe that they know mom did not leave the residence at the time she went missing.  Just a hunch based on LE's actions.  all jmo.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 11:51:18 AM
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/

Lisa Irwin's Parents Deceptive

well he did say wait and see after his first reading on them - which was not deceptive.  thank you for posting it.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 11:57:40 AM

RANDOM THOUGHTS

No Night Shift?

Could it be that:

1.  Lisa met an unintentional demise through a wrongful impulsive act by Mom?

2.  Dad was not working but throughout the night was in the process of a cover up pertaining to the demise of Lisa that had happened much earlier?

3.  Two working cell phones are missing because communication took place between Mom and Dad while a cover-up was in process?


Night Shift?

Could it be that:

1.  Lisa met an unintentional demise through a wrongful impulsive act by Mom while Dad was at work?

2.  In a panic Mom contacts Dad?

3.  Dad rushes home and a cover up begins.

4.  Two working cell phones are missing in an attempt to hide communication that took place between Mom and Dad that fateful night.

5.  Dad was working alone on the night shift and a confirmed timeline lapse cannot be established as to when he left work and the 911 call was placed.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 12:02:38 PM
I have a random question as a non parent;  Is it normal to nickname a baby and refer to said baby by nickname in a formal setting or investigation?  would it be normal to any of you parents out there?

It struck me as odd but could be the norm.  I thought more of a pet when they kept making references to her nickname...forgive me.  I am old school and a name is the first gift you give your baby and you should love it; the name.  So is it just me???


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 12:14:45 PM
IM and Janet;

I would say at this point you both could be right as LE certainly appears to have dumped the parents and are making no bones about it.  and there also appears to be no stranger evidence in the home at this point. 

Young did state IIRC that LE would maintain the house and kmbc livewire states local media attempted to approach the parents this morning at their hotel and got a no comment as they got in their car and left.

Left for where...what hell are these parents doing and thinking.  ???? If guilty I understand.  If innocent than color me confused.

LE's actions are still confusing to me tho when looking at other cases.  If they think they are guilty why leave....why stop searching the knowns....why not maintain a presence to keep them on their toes.  IDK.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 12:22:32 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3192222/intense-investigation-organized.html

snipped;

Every investigator is handed a distinct task. Some check cellphone records, computer records, credit card charges. Others check timelines and family’s stories, while still others conduct interviews. Who was in the house recently? Any suspicious people come to the door recently? Any strangers in the neighborhood? Where did you go with the baby recently? Stores? Markets? Schools? Buses? Hospital?

Depending on circumstances, the surveillance tapes of stores, banks, gas stations or traffic lights might be checked.

Meantime, inside and outside the home, investigators are searching for fingerprints, footprints, hair samples, flakes of skin, tire tracks, cups or glasses that might contain DNA. Others scour nearby properties.

“They may be looking for articles of clothing. It’s not beyond kidnappers to change a piece of clothes,” Lanza said. “As tragic as it sounds, they might be looking for a body.”

At the purported crime scene, Kobilinsky said, investigators will wear white disposable Tyvek coveralls, masks and gloves. They will use vacuums to suck up hair and fibers. In some cases they have equipment that can capture odors on clothing or fabrics that can be stored and used for months to help specially trained dogs track a suspect or victim’s whereabouts.

“One of the first things you do,” Kobilinsky said, “is look at the point of entry and the point of egress. We are assuming now that the person left the same way he or she came in. That point is critical.

“The first question is whether the window was jimmied open. Was glass broken? Was there some way the person might even have cut himself or herself? In burglaries, you often find people who cut themselves when they break glass. Or they might have left prints on the window. Or upon coming in, there might be stuff that they leave behind.”

Beyond dusting for prints, investigators also use high-energy light beams that cast different wavelengths. When used and viewed with glasses with red or orange filtering lenses, “sometimes you can see things that you cannot see with the naked eye,” Kobilinsky said.

Hill said it was of prime importance never to “stereotype a situation or go in with blinders on.”

“Always go in with a very open mind,” Hill said.

Certain assumptions come into play.

In general, baby abductors don’t tend to be burglars who happen upon a baby and decide to take it. Odds are, a person who abducts a baby knows the child is there, knows which room it is in, knows when the parents might be home or asleep.

Lanza said the use of media and public involvement can be crucial.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: flutter1 on October 07, 2011, 12:26:58 PM
Ask Marc Klass and John Walsh about LE investigations into missing kids.  They can tell you about being interrogated.   ::rhino::

Mark Lunsford, as well. 

BTW:  HI Monkeys -- had to take a break after the Caylee verdict.   ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 12:38:38 PM
Ask Marc Klass and John Walsh about LE investigations into missing kids.  They can tell you about being interrogated.   ::rhino::

Mark Lunsford, as well. 

BTW:  HI Monkeys -- had to take a break after the Caylee verdict.   ::boxingcasey2::
Yep, Mark Lunsford too!

Hi flutter1.  Caylee's injustice really took a lot out of all of us.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2011, 12:42:12 PM
Ask Marc Klass and John Walsh about LE investigations into missing kids.  They can tell you about being interrogated.   ::rhino::

Mark Lunsford, as well. 

BTW:  HI Monkeys -- had to take a break after the Caylee verdict.   ::boxingcasey2::

Hi flutter ::HelloKitty::  Good to see you.
Yes, Mark Lunsford came to mind for me too.  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 07, 2011, 12:49:32 PM
I have a random question as a non parent;  Is it normal to nickname a baby and refer to said baby by nickname in a formal setting or investigation?  would it be normal to any of you parents out there?

It struck me as odd but could be the norm.  I thought more of a pet when they kept making references to her nickname...forgive me.  I am old school and a name is the first gift you give your baby and you should love it; the name.  So is it just me???
For me (I have 2 boys) and we always had little nick names. We used them so much that even friends called them by that name. I still call my youngest "Kody Bear". It is endearing.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 07, 2011, 12:50:27 PM
Whoa Fox news is saying breaking news regarding baby Lisa


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2011, 12:52:15 PM
Hi Monkeys!

Well, here we go again with Megan Kelly......... geez.

She just said that there is "breaking news" at the top of the hour about a critical piece of information that may have focused police on the parents. She went on to say that you'll "only hear it here."

It may be nothing, but thought I'd pass it along.   :smt102


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 12:53:30 PM
thats the 1st time ive heard he came home early,wonder why

Earlier in the day, Irwin and Bradley spoke to the media about frantically searching their home for any sign of their daughter after her father came home from work early and she wasn't in her crib. They said they found an open window, an unlocked front door and house lights blazing, and later discovered that their three cellphones were gone.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813949/ns/today-today_people/t/father-missing-baby-i-reached-my-boiling-point/
 

Great Catch!!



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 12:54:03 PM
I have a random question as a non parent;  Is it normal to nickname a baby and refer to said baby by nickname in a formal setting or investigation?  would it be normal to any of you parents out there?

It struck me as odd but could be the norm.  I thought more of a pet when they kept making references to her nickname...forgive me.  I am old school and a name is the first gift you give your baby and you should love it; the name.  So is it just me???
For me (I have 2 boys) and we always had little nick names. We used them so much that even friends called them by that name. I still call my youngest "Kody Bear". It is endearing.



TU... I thought it would just be me.  It's hard not to find even little things hinky after so many of these cases.  I just watched this morning's video's again and they are referring to her everytime as Lisa.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2011, 12:56:55 PM
Hi cartfly and welcome back, flutter!   ::MonkeyDance::

You must have heard the same thing I did, cartfly!   ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyRoll::

(I keep the TV on low while I work, and peek in here whenever I can.)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 12:58:42 PM
Irwin house floor plan in this video if anyone's interested;

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813949/ns/today-today_people/t/father-missing-baby-i-reached-my-boiling-point/

at 3:01 mark


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 01:00:45 PM
Whoa Fox news is saying breaking news regarding baby Lisa


 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2011, 01:04:24 PM
FOX..........

Baby's Mom admits she failed lie detecter test.

Police say she failed "miserably"


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 01:05:11 PM
saying mother failed miserably and started sweating as detective told her that

and cell call at 2:30 in the morning????  did anyone else hear that?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2011, 01:05:14 PM
Police investigating whether Mom made a call on one of the cell phones at 2:30 am.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 07, 2011, 01:07:14 PM
Hopefully the fox news is not about the mother failing the polygraph and the police suspecting her for that.

I keep getting the smell of fresh washed clothes for the last two days. Sorry, OT, but it is driving me nuts.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 07, 2011, 01:07:25 PM
Hi cartfly and welcome back, flutter!   ::MonkeyDance::

You must have heard the same thing I did, cartfly!   ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyRoll::

(I keep the TV on low while I work, and peek in here whenever I can.)
I do the same thing, lol :)
Fox is saying police say MOm failed poly miserably and started sweating, she didn't want Dad to take a poly, Mom made a call around 2-2:30 ish AM. WOW, so sad


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2011, 01:08:11 PM
saying mother failed miserably and started sweating as detective told her that

and cell call at 2:30 in the morning????  did anyone else hear that?

 ::rhino::

Mark Fuhrman (sp?) up.

My thoughts: They'll nail down the call if it was made.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 01:08:47 PM
This does not make sense.

Janet

++++

Police tell mom of missing Mo. baby: ‘You did it’
Updated 06:34 a.m., Friday, October 7, 2011


<snipped>

Irwin, 28, said he also offered to take a test but that police said that was not necessary.

<snipped>

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Mom-of-missing-tot-says-she-took-lie-detector-test-2207009.php#ixzz1a6MuB9gm



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 01:10:58 PM
saying mother failed miserably and started sweating as detective told her that

and cell call at 2:30 in the morning????  did anyone else hear that?

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I suspect the call was made in a panic to Dad's cell phone.  Could this explain the missing cell phones.

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2011, 01:11:16 PM
Hopefully the fox news is not about the mother failing the polygraph and the police suspecting her for that.

I keep getting the smell of fresh washed clothes for the last two days. Sorry, OT, but it is driving me nuts.



 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

At 2:30 this morning I was trying to figure out where the STRONG smell of fresh laundry was coming from!  ::MonkeyShocked:: I even went down to the laundry room to see if maybe the washer was leaking!  WTH is up with that????? 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 07, 2011, 01:11:25 PM
Well, hell. If there was an accident or if Mom over reacted and hurt the baby somehow, why not just call 911? Why the elaborate kidnapping story?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 07, 2011, 01:13:07 PM
Police investigating whether Mom made a call on one of the cell phones at 2:30 am.

Dangit!!!

 I ain't getting nothing online, and the TV is not carrying it.

No wonder the cellphones got "stolen" from the home.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2011, 01:14:43 PM
Well, hell. If there was an accident or if Mom over reacted and hurt the baby somehow, why not just call 911? Why the elaborate kidnapping story?

OMG............... deja vu of Casey Anthony???


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2011, 01:15:54 PM
This much I'm sure of: If the Mom is lying.............. she's a GOOD liar!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 01:16:19 PM
Dad working at Starbucks in town?  


BOOOO - so bumped right now.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 01:19:00 PM
Well, hell. If there was an accident or if Mom over reacted and hurt the baby somehow, why not just call 911? Why the elaborate kidnapping story?

OMG............... deja vu of Casey Anthony???

not an accident.  can't be.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2011, 01:19:10 PM
saying mother failed miserably and started sweating as detective told her that

and cell call at 2:30 in the morning????  did anyone else hear that?

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I suspect the call was made in a panic to Dad's cell phone.  Could this explain the missing cell phones.

Janet

It could, Janet. It sure could. If she made a call and then realized she was in big trouble, she might have gotten rid of them all trying to hide the call.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: flutter1 on October 07, 2011, 01:19:26 PM
Well, hell. If there was an accident or if Mom over reacted and hurt the baby somehow, why not just call 911? Why the elaborate kidnapping story?

OMG............... deja vu of Casey Anthony???
::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 01:20:10 PM
This much I'm sure of: If the Mom is lying.............. she's a GOOD liar!!

YES she is very good if lying, ITA.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 07, 2011, 01:22:30 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/07/missing-missouri-infants-mother-says-police-accused-her/

"The main problem I think that we're facing is that everybody (else) has an alibi," Irwin said. "I was at work. I've been cleared. All these other people we were worried about ... the FBI said they've been cleared. The only one you can't clear is the mother that's at home when it happens `cause there's nobody else there."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/07/missing-missouri-infants-mother-says-police-accused-her/#ixzz1a7KsXEyP

 ::MonkeyNoNo::  This is not complicated.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 07, 2011, 01:22:39 PM
Hopefully the fox news is not about the mother failing the polygraph and the police suspecting her for that.

I keep getting the smell of fresh washed clothes for the last two days. Sorry, OT, but it is driving me nuts.



 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

At 2:30 this morning I was trying to figure out where the STRONG smell of fresh laundry was coming from!  ::MonkeyShocked:: I even went down to the laundry room to see if maybe the washer was leaking!  WTH is up with that????? 


::MonkeyHaHa::

It's a conspiracy, I tell yah!



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2011, 01:22:57 PM
FOX............. more news:

The police appear to be developing a theory of parent involvement. Police didn't want a poly from Dad because his story seems to match up.

Unconfirmed reports that the search dogs hit on Mom's scent but not baby's, but the reporter said there have been no hits at all.

Jeremy Irwin is speaking with police right now.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 01:23:08 PM
Family claims they do not have a lawyer and they will not talk to local media only national media per family spokesperson.

No hits on baby from tracking dogs.

Jeremy Irwin is talking to Police right now.  That's good.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 01:24:48 PM
wait --- detectives have not spoken to father today???  wth

I guess it's to be expected with breaking news.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2011, 01:25:42 PM
Hopefully the fox news is not about the mother failing the polygraph and the police suspecting her for that.

I keep getting the smell of fresh washed clothes for the last two days. Sorry, OT, but it is driving me nuts.



 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

At 2:30 this morning I was trying to figure out where the STRONG smell of fresh laundry was coming from!  ::MonkeyShocked:: I even went down to the laundry room to see if maybe the washer was leaking!  WTH is up with that????? 


::MonkeyHaHa::

It's a conspiracy, I tell yah!



Well, if it's going to be a fresh laundry smell, I wish the fresh laundry would APPEAR......... and nicely folded and ironed too!   ::MonkeyWink::

They just said the Dad was NOT speaking with police. It was mis-reported.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 01:25:55 PM
saying mother failed miserably and started sweating as detective told her that

and cell call at 2:30 in the morning????  did anyone else hear that?

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I suspect the call was made in a panic to Dad's cell phone.  Could this explain the missing cell phones.

Janet

It could, Janet. It sure could. If she made a call and then realized she was in big trouble, she might have gotten rid of them all trying to hide the call.

I have suspected from the getgo that the missing cell phones had everything to do with an attempt to cover up communication between Mom and Dad throughout the night.

Anyways ... Jerseygirl345 brought up a good point regarding Dad's cell phone.  Why was it missing?

+++++


So the dad came home from work.. Where was his cell phone? He didn't take his cell phone with him to work??


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: islandmonkey on October 07, 2011, 01:26:55 PM
saying mother failed miserably and started sweating as detective told her that

and cell call at 2:30 in the morning????  did anyone else hear that?

I did...but I thought she was asleep  ::MonkeyNoNo:: WRT nicknames, my son has one Karl Rove and I call him A-man BUT in a formal setting I wouldn't refer to him that way and certainly not if something happened to him, IMO only it's almost like a way to distance oneself from it, I call him his nickname every now and then at home but never EVER in a formal setting and Eli had a nickname, but as things went down hill we never used it, only his proper name.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 01:27:50 PM
Detectives have no desire to poly father because his story checks out???

So who was mom talking to that night?    More confusion for me!  Blaaaaaa!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2011, 01:30:19 PM
Janet, has it been reported that Dad didn't have his cell phone? I was thinking that maybe there were two working phones at the house and he may have had his.

How old are the boys?? I used to make my son take a cell phone with him if he was out playing so I could keep up with where he was.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wbaw0724 on October 07, 2011, 01:30:59 PM
Well, hell. If there was an accident or if Mom over reacted and hurt the baby somehow, why not just call 911? Why the elaborate kidnapping story?

OMG............... deja vu of Casey Anthony???
::rhino::
I hope I am posting right, I haven't posted for awhile. The cell phone at 2:30 this is MOO, but i have att, accused my husband of being on the phone, because every night att sends updates to his blackberry and doing that time it either shows phone or messaging, or internet being on, I called att and was told updates are sent, if you look on ur bill you will see it too........maybe they can tell it was being used but pin point how. Looks like to me if a call was placed they would have traced it already...and there would be no questions about who made the phone call.....................


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: tcumom on October 07, 2011, 01:31:15 PM
Just saw GMA a few minutes ago.  Leaving for school.  Hope it's okay that I don't have a link.

On GMA, talking with parents, it was the first time the Dad had ever worked at night .   ::MonkeyShocked::

Hope I have that info correctly written .

tcumom

The video that Red posted reveals that the night Lisa went missing was the first time he worked the night shift.

Janet

+++++
 ::snipping2::

Janet ~ yes.  Thanks so much.  That's what I was attempting to (feebly) say.  I think it's odd that the Dad had not worked the night shift *before* this particular night.  Am I making sense? 
At school, trying to post during lunch, so I'll check back this afternoon.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tracygirl on October 07, 2011, 01:33:29 PM
This much I'm sure of: If the Mom is lying.............. she's a GOOD liar!!

Hi everyone. I know you read the reports and you can easily think, "ya right she did it" then you see her and she is besides herself....Don't know what to think.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 07, 2011, 01:33:58 PM
The question is, which numbers did she call?

We can assume that the police has the phone records, and they know which numbers were called.

I THINK that if Debbie had called her husband, the police would've asked him.

If Jeremy denied the call, then they would know he was lying and then they would've pushed for the lie detector.

So, who did she call?




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 01:34:00 PM
Well, hell. If there was an accident or if Mom over reacted and hurt the baby somehow, why not just call 911? Why the elaborate kidnapping story?

An accidental death would have dictated a call placed to 911.

Could there have been a frantic rush to cover up an impulsive act of wrongdoing out of frustration such as shaking or beating the baby?

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2011, 01:35:18 PM
Janet, has it been reported that Dad didn't have his cell phone? I was thinking that maybe there were two working phones at the house and he may have had his.

How old are the boys?? I used to make my son take a cell phone with him if he was out playing so I could keep up with where he was.

Back in the posted articles, it was said there were three cellphones, and one of them wasn't working.  The mother said she was reprogramming or transferring over numbers from one phone to the other.  (I've seen it reported both ways).  I don't believe the father had a cell phone on him, because it was also said they were running around trying to find the phones to call the police.  If he had a cell phone on him or a land line at the home, they wouldn't have been worrying about finding the phones imo.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wbaw0724 on October 07, 2011, 01:35:37 PM
Well, hell. If there was an accident or if Mom over reacted and hurt the baby somehow, why not just call 911? Why the elaborate kidnapping story?

OMG............... deja vu of Casey Anthony???
::rhino::
I hope I am posting right, I haven't posted for awhile. The cell phone at 2:30 this is MOO, but i have att, accused my husband of being on the phone, because every night att sends updates to his blackberry and doing that time it either shows phone or messaging, or internet being on, I called att and was told updates are sent, if you look on ur bill you will see it too........maybe they can tell it was being used but pin point how. Looks like to me if a call was placed they would have traced it already...and there would be no questions about who made the phone call.....................also some phones when being programmed will connect to the other phone to pull information off of the old phone and store it on the new one( didnt she say she was programming a new phone?) .........MOO


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2011, 01:35:54 PM
Well, hell. If there was an accident or if Mom over reacted and hurt the baby somehow, why not just call 911? Why the elaborate kidnapping story?

OMG............... deja vu of Casey Anthony???
::rhino::
I hope I am posting right, I haven't posted for awhile. The cell phone at 2:30 this is MOO, but i have att, accused my husband of being on the phone, because every night att sends updates to his blackberry and doing that time it either shows phone or messaging, or internet being on, I called att and was told updates are sent, if you look on ur bill you will see it too........maybe they can tell it was being used but pin point how. Looks like to me if a call was placed they would have traced it already...and there would be no questions about who made the phone call.....................

Hi wbaw0724! It can take a while to get the ping reports from tower information, if that's what they are trying to do. They don't have the phones, so that may drag it out a little. I'm sure they'll get the call and all the info from it nailed down as soon a possible.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 07, 2011, 01:36:08 PM
Well, hell. If there was an accident or if Mom over reacted and hurt the baby somehow, why not just call 911? Why the elaborate kidnapping story?

OMG............... deja vu of Casey Anthony???
::rhino::
I hope I am posting right, I haven't posted for awhile. The cell phone at 2:30 this is MOO, but i have att, accused my husband of being on the phone, because every night att sends updates to his blackberry and doing that time it either shows phone or messaging, or internet being on, I called att and was told updates are sent, if you look on ur bill you will see it too........maybe they can tell it was being used but pin point how. Looks like to me if a call was placed they would have traced it already...and there would be no questions about who made the phone call.....................

Very interesting info...thank you forsharing!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 01:37:54 PM
The question is, which numbers did she call?

We can assume that the police has the phone records, and they know which numbers were called.

I THINK that if Debbie had called her husband, the police would've asked him.

If Jeremy denied the call, then they would know he was lying and then they would've pushed for the lie detector.

So, who did she call?




Considering Jeremy's cell is missing ... I believe that Debbie called him.

Could it be that these two thought by disappearing the cell phones ... communication could not be traced.

At one time that was my thought process.

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2011, 01:38:00 PM
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/10/06/general-us-baby-missing_8721587.html
The two boys at the house are aged six and eight,  CBB.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2011, 01:38:10 PM
This much I'm sure of: If the Mom is lying.............. she's a GOOD liar!!

Hi everyone. I know you read the reports and you can easily think, "ya right she did it" then you see her and she is besides herself....Don't know what to think.

I'm right there with you, Tracy! At this point, I'm beginning to lean toward her being a really good liar. I think the cell phone records will be key in this.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 01:40:02 PM
oh boy....stole it.

http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2011/10/06/news/doc4e8d126a97a3c717320879.txt

snipped;  not msm and could be false but still food for thought imo.

The heart-breaking ordeal involving a missing 10-month-old Kansas City, Mo., girl is weighing especially heavy on the minds of relatives here in Delaware County.

Deborah Netz Bradley, the mother of baby Lisa, is a second cousin to Donna Pretti, an investigator for the Delaware County Medical Examiner’s office, and Eddystone Patrolman Joseph Pretti. Donna and Joe are first cousins.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2011, 01:40:22 PM
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/10/06/general-us-baby-missing_8721587.html
The two boys at the house are aged six and eight,  CBB.

Thanks, Miss Bee!!

Well, it's possible that a second cell phone was obtained for the purpose of keeping up with them.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 01:40:47 PM
This much I'm sure of: If the Mom is lying.............. she's a GOOD liar!!

Hi everyone. I know you read the reports and you can easily think, "ya right she did it" then you see her and she is besides herself....Don't know what to think.

I'm right there with you, Tracy! At this point, I'm beginning to lean toward her being a really good liar. I think the cell phone records will be key in this.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tracygirl on October 07, 2011, 01:41:54 PM
Detectives have no desire to poly father because his story checks out???

So who was mom talking to that night?    More confusion for me!  Blaaaaaa!

Have to wonder if the mom is upset because her baby was kidnapped or because the baby cannot be found? Perhaps she was thinking the baby would be found that night.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 01:44:38 PM
Detectives have no desire to poly father because his story checks out???

So who was mom talking to that night?    More confusion for me!  Blaaaaaa!

Have to wonder if the mom is upset because her baby was kidnapped or because the baby cannot be found? Perhaps she was thinking the baby would be found that night.

Or was she on the phone with a third party she does not want her hubby/LE/public to know about?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 07, 2011, 01:44:56 PM
This much I'm sure of: If the Mom is lying.............. she's a GOOD liar!!

Hi everyone. I know you read the reports and you can easily think, "ya right she did it" then you see her and she is besides herself....Don't know what to think.
I am baffled as well. It is obvious that she loves this baby and the child appears to be well cared for. The only thing I can see is an accident of some kind that led to the death of the baby and Deborah panicked called Dad and they together cooked up this story. She is definitely an Emmy award candidate if she is lying. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 01:47:09 PM
Detectives have no desire to poly father because his story checks out???

So who was mom talking to that night?    More confusion for me!  Blaaaaaa!

Dad's story may check out for the night that Lisa allegedly went missing but ... what if something bad happened the previous day/evening and ... the stage was set prior to leaving for work?

Considering his relationship to Lisa and ... the possible senarios ...  somehow I do not believe that LE declined Dad's  offer to take a polygraph.

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2011, 01:50:11 PM
I've got a few things I need to attend to........... check back with you guys shortly!

I wish I had a better feeling about little Lisa's fate.............     ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 01:55:21 PM
This much I'm sure of: If the Mom is lying.............. she's a GOOD liar!!

Hi everyone. I know you read the reports and you can easily think, "ya right she did it" then you see her and she is besides herself....Don't know what to think.
I am baffled as well. It is obvious that she loves this baby and the child appears to be well cared for. The only thing I can see is an accident of some kind that led to the death of the baby and Deborah panicked called Dad and they together cooked up this story. She is definitely an Emmy award candidate if she is lying. 

Debbie's distraught appears to be genuine and ... this is why I believe a confession could be forthcoming ... a confession that imlies that Lisa met her demise ... not through an "accident" but ...  through an impulsive act of wrongdoing by her mother

Janet

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Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 07, 2011, 01:56:56 PM


I wonder if the mother not doing well on the poly has something to do more with something she is not disclosing about herself and not little Lisa.  What I mean by that is, what if perhaps, she was having an affair?  Could the middle of the night call (if a call was really made) been to this lover and she is trying to hide this from her husband...thus indicating deception on the poly?

And if this is the case, could there be a scenario where she was either preoccupied with this call, breifly left the home (GASP), etc that would have opened up the opportunity for someone to come in to the house after seeing SHE had left AND the hubby wasn't home?  OR could the lover themselves have taken the baby for some reason.

I know...probably far fetched, but just trying to understand why deception on the poly but what seems to honest emotions from the mom.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 01:58:00 PM
This much I'm sure of: If the Mom is lying.............. she's a GOOD liar!!

Hi everyone. I know you read the reports and you can easily think, "ya right she did it" then you see her and she is besides herself....Don't know what to think.
I am baffled as well. It is obvious that she loves this baby and the child appears to be well cared for. The only thing I can see is an accident of some kind that led to the death of the baby and Deborah panicked called Dad and they together cooked up this story. She is definitely an Emmy award candidate if she is lying. 

Yeah I am not set on much of anything at this point either other than a baby girl is missing and no one appears to be looking for her.  waaaaaaaaaa


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 07, 2011, 02:16:36 PM
Detectives have no desire to poly father because his story checks out???

So who was mom talking to that night?    More confusion for me!  Blaaaaaa!

Dad's story may check out for the night that Lisa allegedly went missing but ... what if something bad happened the previous day/evening and ... the stage was set prior to leaving for work?

Considering his relationship to Lisa and ... the possible senarios ...  somehow I do not believe that LE declined Dad's  offer to take a polygraph.

Janet

Good thinking, maybe something happened to her way before he left for work and they planned that kidnapping scheme. However, that would not explain the 2:30am call. There may be more than one call?

If it happened before it had to have happened at night, if this guy's (Robert Beagley) statement is true:

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa01.jpg)

Though we know how some people inject themselves into a popular news story.

This guy had seen Lisa during the day at the door while he was driving away, the door had to be open because not much can be seen with the door closed.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 02:25:23 PM
Than we have the smirking smiling (idk he appeared stoned to me on interview) neighbor behind them who is convinced they(parents) did something.  I hope that guys property was searched good. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 07, 2011, 02:32:50 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/News_LiveVideo (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/News_LiveVideo)

Landfill search now


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 02:38:58 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/video/29418736/detail.html

Irwin parents avoid local media video.

______________________________________________

New car?  someone has cash to burn, cheap but still.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 02:47:57 PM
Young on Faux news now.

He said no he is not reporting that she failed miserably.
Have not spoken to family at all today.
Does not know about 2:30 phone call and has not heard that from lead detectives.
Don't read to much into removal of mobile command post.
Not aware of father in regards to LDT.

Basically he is eye candy with no real answers imo.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: flutter1 on October 07, 2011, 02:50:06 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/News_LiveVideo (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/News_LiveVideo)

Landfill search now

Quote
::snipping2::SHAWNEE, Kan. - The FBI confirms a search of a Johnson County landfill is connected to the case of a 10-month-old missing Kansas City girl.

More than a dozen law enforcement officers are searching the Deffenbaugh Industries Johnson County landfill in white protective suits.

An FBI spokeswoman confirms the search is in connection to the case of Lisa Irwin, who was reported missing Tuesday morning. ::snipping2::

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Tip-Johnson-County-landfill-search-tied-to-Lisa-Irwin-case#ixzz1a7h6lyHx

Never a good thing to hear. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 02:51:35 PM
There were two  incidences why I made the decision over 40 years ago when disciplining children with spankings was considered acceptable to seek other methods.  I will share one.

When my daughter was six weeks old ... she had cried for six weeks.  I was barely twenty years old and utterly exhausted.  One night I had just drifted off to sleep when ... you guessed it ... the cry I had come to hate pierced the darkness.  I got up ... went to the crib ... looked down at this little red face screaming her lungs out and ... thought to myself ... "To think we wanted you".

I then got back into bed.  Considering I was breast feeding my husband questioned my actions.  I told him that he better do something because ... if I touched our beautiful baby ... I knew beyond a doubt I would do something I would regret.

Tamiko received glucose water out of a bottle that night and I didn't care.  All that mattered was that I was finally allowed to sleep.

The next day formula was purchased as a supplement and a card of Dum Dums.  Godsends!

My point.  What would have happened that night if I did not have back up?

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 07, 2011, 02:54:02 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/News_LiveVideo (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/News_LiveVideo)

Landfill search now

I think I just threw up a little ::MonkeyWaa::

Fox reporting this now too, they are there for a reason........so sad right now


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 02:55:38 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/News_LiveVideo (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/News_LiveVideo)

Landfill search now

I think I just threw up a little ::MonkeyWaa::

Fox reporting this now too, they are there for a reason........so sad right now

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 07, 2011, 02:59:37 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/News_LiveVideo (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/News_LiveVideo)

Landfill search now

I think I just threw up a little ::MonkeyWaa::

Fox reporting this now too, they are there for a reason........so sad right now
It's very sad.  The searchers looked mainly to be FBI.  I couldn't tell for certain, but it appears they didn't find anything.  The search is over.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 03:02:00 PM
one more than off to walk the dog.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/Greg-Smith-can-feel-Irwin-familys-pain

snipped;

Investigators used cell phone ping technology to track Kelsey Smith’s cell phone, which led them to her body just 45 minutes after it was accessed. But it was four days before they were able to attain the records

________________________________________________________

Kelsey's law has not passed in Missouri which would have allowed LEO to get cell phone records with pings asap.  Another Boooo for solving Lisa's case.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 07, 2011, 03:02:22 PM
There were two  incidences why I made the decision over 40 years ago when disciplining children with spankings was considered acceptable to seek other methods.  I will share one.

When my daughter was six weeks old ... she had cried for six weeks.  I was barely twenty years old and utterly exhausted.  One night I had just drifted off to sleep when ... you guessed it ... the cry I had come to hate pierced the darkness.  I got up ... went to the crib ... looked down at this little red face screaming her lungs out and ... thought to myself ... "To think we wanted you".

I then got back into bed.  Considering I was breast feeding my husband questioned my actions.  I told him that he better do something because ... if I touched our beautiful baby ... I knew beyond a doubt I would do something I would regret.

Tamiko received glucose water out of a bottle that night and I didn't care.  All that mattered was that I was finally allowed to sleep.

The next day formula was purchased as a supplement and a card of Dum Dums.  Godsends!

My point.  What would have happened that night if I did not have back up?

Janet

Some kids are more fuzzy than others.

I had three, and my second just about drove me crazy with her 2:00am cries.

I had a swing that someone gave me on her baby shower, and I would sit the baby in it (even at two weeks) to swing away in the middle of the night, cause if I put her down she would start crying again. That way I would get at least 15 minutes of sleep at a time.

Turned out she had a hernia, so I never blamed it, but it was VERY HARD to care for her the first six months.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 07, 2011, 03:06:02 PM
There were two  incidences why I made the decision over 40 years ago when disciplining children with spankings was considered acceptable to seek other methods.  I will share one.

When my daughter was six weeks old ... she had cried for six weeks.  I was barely twenty years old and utterly exhausted.  One night I had just drifted off to sleep when ... you guessed it ... the cry I had come to hate pierced the darkness.  I got up ... went to the crib ... looked down at this little red face screaming her lungs out and ... thought to myself ... "To think we wanted you".

I then got back into bed.  Considering I was breast feeding my husband questioned my actions.  I told him that he better do something because ... if I touched our beautiful baby ... I knew beyond a doubt I would do something I would regret.

Tamiko received glucose water out of a bottle that night and I didn't care.  All that mattered was that I was finally allowed to sleep.

The next day formula was purchased as a supplement and a card of Dum Dums.  Godsends!

My point.  What would have happened that night if I did not have back up?

Janet
Thanks for sharing that Janet.
OT-I think most breast feeding Mom's would probably admit to one of those moments. I loved breast feeding, but it was clearly exhausting (every 2 hours.) I know I had a moment or two and if it wasn't for my hubby and a brand new breast pump, I think I would have had a melt down from lack of sleep.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2011, 03:07:15 PM
(http://media2.nbcactionnews.com//photo/2011/10/07/landfill2_20111007133445_320_240.JPG)

FBI: Johnson County landfill search tied to Lisa Irwin case

Posted: 12:53 PM
Last Updated: 8 minutes ago

    By: Aaron Heintzelman

SHAWNEE, Kan. - The FBI confirms a search of a Johnson County landfill is connected to the case of a 10-month-old missing Kansas City girl.

More than a dozen law enforcement officers are searching the Deffenbaugh Industries Johnson County landfill in white protective suits.

An FBI spokeswoman confirmed what NBC Action News first reported, that  the search is in connection to the case of Lisa Irwin, who was reported missing Tuesday morning.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2011, 03:11:19 PM

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story (http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story)

Police Scour Landfill in Search of Baby Lisa

Sarah Clark Interactive Content Producer - Like her on Facebook

1:38 p.m. CDT, October 7, 2011
KANSAS CITY, Mo.—

Day four in the search for missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin led investigators to search Deffenbaugh Industries' landfill.  TheFBI says this is the second time authorities have searched the Johnson County, Kansas landfill.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 07, 2011, 03:12:24 PM
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=1526  (http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=1526)

last feed Kansas City


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 07, 2011, 03:15:29 PM
I may have missed it but was anything ever said again about the report of a man carrying a baby at 1 AM in the morning on a street near Lisa's home?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 07, 2011, 03:20:26 PM
Hmm.. this is weird.

"An early morning dumpster fire this week has lead investigators to search a Johnson County landfill for the third time in the Lisa Irwin case.

Police said there was a dumpster fire at an apartment complex at 4897 NE 37th Street at 2:27 a.m. on Tuesday, October 4.  The dumpster is less than a half a mile away from the Irwin home."

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 07, 2011, 03:21:43 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/NBCActionNews (http://twitter.com/#!/NBCActionNews)
NBCActionNews NBC Action News
FBI & KCPD leaving Johnson County landfill after search in #LisaIrwin case pub.vitrue.com/78Q (http://pub.vitrue.com/78Q)
25 minutes ago


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2011, 03:21:58 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15642798/authorities-search-joco-landfill-for-missing-baby-lisa (http://www.kctv5.com/story/15642798/authorities-search-joco-landfill-for-missing-baby-lisa)

Landfill - video at the link above

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6166/6220620089_a290957acc_o.jpg)


 ::MonkeyAngel::
(http://kctv.images.worldnow.com/images/562544_G.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 07, 2011, 03:32:11 PM
Hmm.. this is weird.

"An early morning dumpster fire this week has lead investigators to search a Johnson County landfill for the third time in the Lisa Irwin case.

Police said there was a dumpster fire at an apartment complex at 4897 NE 37th Street at 2:27 a.m. on Tuesday, October 4.  The dumpster is less than a half a mile away from the Irwin home."

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story



Forgot to add:

"Investigators examined the trash from the fire two times. On Friday they examined it again. Also on Friday, police returned to the Johnson County Deffenbaugh Industries' landfill for the second time."



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2011, 03:36:50 PM
http://www.ketv.com/r/29420108/detail.html
FBI, Police Search Landfill In Missing Baby Case
October 7, 2011

SHAWNEE, Kan. -- FBI agents, along with Kansas City police, searched a Johnson County, Kan., landfill Friday in connection with the case of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin, reported KMBC-TV.

FBI spokeswoman Bridget Patton said agents were conducting a secondary search at the landfill at Interstate 435 and Holliday Drive. Investigators were also there on Tuesday looking for evidence.

 ::snipping2::




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 03:38:01 PM
I may have missed it but was anything ever said again about the report of a man carrying a baby at 1 AM in the morning on a street near Lisa's home?

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby

snipped;

One neighbor told police that a stranger was seen walking a baby wearing only a diaper about 1 a.m. in the street by the baby's home. Young said this tip didn't pan out.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2011, 03:41:22 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story
Dumpster Fire Leads Police to Search Landfill
October 7, 2011

Dumpster Fire and Irwin Home Map
(http://*BLOCKED*/media/photo/2011-10/243543220-07123016.jpg)

KANSAS CITY, Mo.—

An early morning dumpster fire on Tuesday led investigators to search a Johnson County landfill in the Lisa Irwin case. Friday's search was the second time investigators visited the landfill.

Police said someone reported a dumpster fire at an apartment complex at 4897 NE 37th Street at 2:27 a.m. on Tuesday, October 4. The dumpster is less than a half a mile away from the Irwin home.

Ten-month-old Lisa Irwin was reported missing by her parents around 4 a.m. Tuesday.

Investigators examined the trash from the fire two times. On Friday they examined it again. Also on Friday, police returned to the Johnson County Deffenbaugh Industries' landfill for the second time
.
After four days of searching, the investigation into baby Lisa's disappearance has taken several twists and turns. On Thursday, police announced in a hastily-called press conference that 10-month-old Lisa's parents stopped cooperating with investigators, a claim the family denies.

On Friday afternoon, Kansas City Police Capt. Steve Young said they have not had contact with the parents since Thursday's announcement.

RetiredFBI Agent Jeff Lanza said the parents' definition of cooperation is probably different than police's.

"Police's definition of cooperation is to answer any questions that we post to you even if it focuses on you," Lanza said. "The couple's definition is, 'well, we'll cooperate, but not if it's focused on us."

Late Thursday evening, FOX 4 learned Lisa's parents, Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley, made a 'deal' with national news networks and would no longer be talking with local media.

On Friday's Today Show, Deborah said police told her she failed a polygraph test. Bradley adamantly claimed that's impossible because she doesn't know where her daughter is.

Lanza said failing a polygraph test doesn't mean someone is guilty.

"If you've registered some deception, that's an indicator that you're not telling the truth," Lanza said. "However, it doesn't mean you're guilty. It's just an indication that you're deceptive about a particular question or questions on the polygraph exam."

In the four-day search for Lisa, police have scoured the woods near the Irwin home, rappelled down embankments, looked in drainage ditches and on Friday, investigators turned their attention to Deffenbaugh's landfill.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 03:44:28 PM
thank you Klaas for the picture.

she is such a sweet little baby.  You can tell by her pictures and body language she was gonna be walking all over the place real soon.  I got a soft spot for baldy's.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2011, 03:47:13 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-fbi-searches-landfill/story?id=14688581
Missing Baby Lisa: FBI and Police Search Landfill
October 7, 2011

The search for missing toddler Lisa Irwin moved to a Missouri landfill today just hours after the girl's mother said police have accused her of doing something to her daughter.

Kansas City police and FBI agents began combing through the Johnson County landfill known officially as Deffenbaugh Industries.

"We were out there searching the landfill today," Bridget Patton, spokeswoman for the FBI's Kansas City Division, told ABCNews.com.

When asked if the search was related to the disappearance of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin, Patton said, "Yeah, it's related to that."

Patton said this was the second time this week the FBI has searched the landfill.

Earlier today, Lisa's mother said that police accused her of having done something to her child.

"From the start when they've questioned me, once I couldn't fill in gaps, it turned into 'You did it, you did it,'" Deborah Bradley told "Good Morning America." "They took a picture down from the table and said, 'Look at your baby! And do what's right for her!' I kept saying I don't know ... I just sat there. I didn't even ask to leave. I just let them keep asking questions."

Bradley also said police accused her of failing a polygraph test. Police said they could not comment on this claim, but said Bradley is "free to say whatever she wants."
 ::snipping2::
Bradley, who sobbed through her interview with "GMA," spoke out after Kansas City police said Bradley and the toddler's father Jeremy Irwin had stopped cooperating.

The parents told "GMA" they have not ended their cooperation with police.

"If they say they're willing to continue speaking with detectives, I say great. Our door is open," Police Capt. Steve Young told ABCNews.com this morning. "Their involvement in the case is the best thing for this case. Our only goal is to find this little girl."
Young said detectives would be happy to resume conversations with Lisa's parents, but added, "We still haven't heard from the mother or father as of this morning."
Irwin said that he needed to take a break from the intensive questioning and soon saw a police press conference where they stated that the parents had ceased to work with police on the investigation.

"We were in interrogated for a really long time Tuesday there again, answering questions….I just couldn't' take it anymore," he said. "I told them I had to have a break -- no more questions today. I asked to be let go, and they let me go from police station. An hour later was when we saw the press conference from them."

Both parents vehemently denied on "GMA" that they had any involvement with their daughter's disappearance, and reiterated their willingness to cooperate.
 ::snipping2::
That conflicted with what Kansas City, Mo., police Capt. Steve Young said earlier.

"The mother and father no longer want to talk to detectives," Young said. "From an investigative standpoint, we enjoyed their cooperation. So far, [it] has been very beneficial to the case. But yeah, you can imagine it doesn't help the case" [that the cooperation has ended].

"Like I've said before, the cooperation of the parents is -- they live in the house. They intimately have information of what's been going on. They know the child. They were maybe one of our best bets to help find this child," Young said. "This doesn't help the investigation."

Thursday night police also shut down their outdoor command post and removed that crime scene tape that had been surrounding the house since Lisa's disappearance, but police insist this was not related to their claim that the parents were no longer cooperating.

"It has nothing to do with the statement I made about the parents' cooperation," Young said. "We closed that down only because of geography."

Young said the investigation is continuing with the same force but has simply moved to the police station as a matter of convenience.

Police have said that they are still investigating what happened at the house Monday night when the baby, who the couple nicknamed "Pumpkin Pie," disappeared from her crib.

Young confirms what the police have said since their initial questioning of the parents earlier this week, that they are not suspects in their child's disappearance.
 ::snipping2::
The dispute over whether Bradley and Irwin were cooperating came after ABC News learned the couple was trying to make lists of possible suspects for police by thinking about all of the people they cross paths with on a daily basis. That meant they were listing every grocer, utility worker who may have been in the house, former friend, classmate, neighbor or acquaintances who may have wanted a child
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 07, 2011, 03:47:24 PM
Thanks FatCat for the update on the man with a baby.

Just saw this on FB (pretty bold statement):

Johnny Chiaravallotti:

In 2001 , My sister Lisa passed away from a suspicious 'accidental drug overdose'. Lisa was the mother of Debbie , the mother of this missing 10 month old. This missing baby was named after her deceased grandmother. I am the Uncle of the mother (Debbie) of this missing child. My sister Lisa had 3 kids and was estranged from her husband , who was thousands of dollars behind in back child support and was living in Delaware close to his estranged wife and his 3 kids. He did not like it on the east coast. He was from Kansas City. My 36 year old sister mysteriously died from what they called an 'accidental overdose'. After her death , her estranged husband who owed thousands in back child support and didn't like living in Delaware anyway , took his 3 kids and returned to Kansas City. Debbie , the mother of this missing child , is one of them 3 kids. Now here we are 10 years after the mysterious and suspicious death of my 36 year old sister Lisa ... and the 10 month old baby who was named after her is missing. I have no been in contact with them for a few years so I don't know what's been going on in Missouri. But I will say that I have always been suspicious about my sister Lisa's estranged husband and whether or not he was involved in her death. He had plenty of motive. And he left Delaware very fast. Lisa's death looked like an accident so it was ruled an accident. But I know my sister and she was smarter than that. And her death occurred on the 10th birthday of her youngest son who found her dead in bed on his birthday. Is the disappearance of this child and the suspicious death of my sister connected ? Is this just a coincidence ? We have one Lisa dead and another Lisa missing. I love my niece Debbie , the mother of this missing child. And I have no idea who her boyfriend is. Nor do I know what was going on in their lives in the past few years. But I do know that I lost my sister Lisa 10 years ago and I will always be very suspicious about her death. Now this poor child is missing. I am curious to know if her grandfather was around.
12 minutes ago · Like · 2 people

https://www.facebook.com/find.lisa?sk=wall  (https://www.facebook.com/find.lisa?sk=wall)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2011, 03:48:48 PM
There's a map of the location of the Irwin home and the dumpster that was on fire at this link:

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 03:52:04 PM
baby lisa home
3620 North Lister kansas MO 64117

i did a 2m searh of offeders this doesnt look good,these are offenders that prey
on very young children,and they work/ed at the same co.




http://www.mshp.dps.mo.gov/CJ38/OffenderDetails?id=79146185

Patrick Michael Reynolds  Compliant
(First Middle Last)
Date of Birth:       05/25/1967
Home Address 2310 Ne 37th St City:  Kansas City 
State: MO 
Zip Code:  64116 
Work 4357 Ne Chourteau Trfy Kansas City, MO 64117 Clay
 
 Offense:Entice Child <15-actor 21/over
Victim Gender/Age:  Female/1-13 
Offense City/State:  Kansas City, MO 

Enticement of a child, penalties
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5660000151.htm

_____________________________________________________________________

yikes - snipped cw618's post from day 1 or 2.  shot in the dark at this point I know but...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 07, 2011, 03:57:42 PM
NBCActionNews NBC Action News
#LisaIrwin update: FBI not saying what, if anything, found at landfill. Nothing seen from aerial video: pub.vitrue.com/Ogx (http://pub.vitrue.com/Ogx)
5 minutes ago  http://twitter.com/#!/NBCActionNews (http://twitter.com/#!/NBCActionNews)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: flutter1 on October 07, 2011, 04:06:05 PM
I don't understand why someone who kidnaps a baby would waste time stealing cell phones.  Surely the two cell phones were not in the baby's room.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 04:08:19 PM
There's a map of the location of the Irwin home and the dumpster that was on fire at this link:

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story

wonder what day trash pick up is in that hood


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 04:11:12 PM
Thanks to all for the updates, research, images and insights.

An early Canadian Thankgiving gathering is taking place at our home tomorrow.  Lots to do.  Hubby is out on the property cutting Maple leaves.

This case has grabbed my attention so I will be checking in often as well as having CNN blaring in the background.  I wish we received the FOX channel.

Later, Janet
1:05 PM PT


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 04:11:49 PM
I hope they atleast gave the SO on NE 37th street a shake down if he wasn't wearing a monitor with a reliable monitoring company.  jmo.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 07, 2011, 04:14:43 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story
Dumpster Fire Leads Police to Search Landfill
October 7, 2011

Dumpster Fire and Irwin Home Map
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KANSAS CITY, Mo.—

An early morning dumpster fire on Tuesday led investigators to search a Johnson County landfill in the Lisa Irwin case. Friday's search was the second time investigators visited the landfill.

Police said someone reported a dumpster fire at an apartment complex at 4897 NE 37th Street at 2:27 a.m. on Tuesday, October 4. The dumpster is less than a half a mile away from the Irwin home.

Ten-month-old Lisa Irwin was reported missing by her parents around 4 a.m. Tuesday.

Investigators examined the trash from the fire two times. On Friday they examined it again. Also on Friday, police returned to the Johnson County Deffenbaugh Industries' landfill for the second time
.
After four days of searching, the investigation into baby Lisa's disappearance has taken several twists and turns. On Thursday, police announced in a hastily-called press conference that 10-month-old Lisa's parents stopped cooperating with investigators, a claim the family denies.

On Friday afternoon, Kansas City Police Capt. Steve Young said they have not had contact with the parents since Thursday's announcement.

RetiredFBI Agent Jeff Lanza said the parents' definition of cooperation is probably different than police's.

"Police's definition of cooperation is to answer any questions that we post to you even if it focuses on you," Lanza said. "The couple's definition is, 'well, we'll cooperate, but not if it's focused on us."

Late Thursday evening, FOX 4 learned Lisa's parents, Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley, made a 'deal' with national news networks and would no longer be talking with local media.

On Friday's Today Show, Deborah said police told her she failed a polygraph test. Bradley adamantly claimed that's impossible because she doesn't know where her daughter is.

Lanza said failing a polygraph test doesn't mean someone is guilty.

"If you've registered some deception, that's an indicator that you're not telling the truth," Lanza said. "However, it doesn't mean you're guilty. It's just an indication that you're deceptive about a particular question or questions on the polygraph exam."

In the four-day search for Lisa, police have scoured the woods near the Irwin home, rappelled down embankments, looked in drainage ditches and on Friday, investigators turned their attention to Deffenbaugh's landfill.
 ::snipping2::

Thanks for this post.  And again why I feel like the deception from the poly may not have necessarily been regarding little Lisa but something personal about the mother.  An affair, or something else, that connected to a question they asked her.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 07, 2011, 04:15:42 PM
Thanks FatCat for the update on the man with a baby.

Just saw this on FB (pretty bold statement):

Johnny Chiaravallotti:

In 2001 , My sister Lisa passed away from a suspicious 'accidental drug overdose'. Lisa was the mother of Debbie , the mother of this missing 10 month old. This missing baby was named after her deceased grandmother. I am the Uncle of the mother (Debbie) of this missing child. My sister Lisa had 3 kids and was estranged from her husband , who was thousands of dollars behind in back child support and was living in Delaware close to his estranged wife and his 3 kids. He did not like it on the east coast. He was from Kansas City. My 36 year old sister mysteriously died from what they called an 'accidental overdose'. After her death , her estranged husband who owed thousands in back child support and didn't like living in Delaware anyway , took his 3 kids and returned to Kansas City. Debbie , the mother of this missing child , is one of them 3 kids. Now here we are 10 years after the mysterious and suspicious death of my 36 year old sister Lisa ... and the 10 month old baby who was named after her is missing. I have no been in contact with them for a few years so I don't know what's been going on in Missouri. But I will say that I have always been suspicious about my sister Lisa's estranged husband and whether or not he was involved in her death. He had plenty of motive. And he left Delaware very fast. Lisa's death looked like an accident so it was ruled an accident. But I know my sister and she was smarter than that. And her death occurred on the 10th birthday of her youngest son who found her dead in bed on his birthday. Is the disappearance of this child and the suspicious death of my sister connected ? Is this just a coincidence ? We have one Lisa dead and another Lisa missing. I love my niece Debbie , the mother of this missing child. And I have no idea who her boyfriend is. Nor do I know what was going on in their lives in the past few years. But I do know that I lost my sister Lisa 10 years ago and I will always be very suspicious about her death. Now this poor child is missing. I am curious to know if her grandfather was around.
12 minutes ago · Like · 2 people

https://www.facebook.com/find.lisa?sk=wall  (https://www.facebook.com/find.lisa?sk=wall)

Do we know the grandfather's name and where he resides?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 04:21:39 PM
There's a map of the location of the Irwin home and the dumpster that was on fire at this link:

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story

wonder what day trash pick up is in that hood

found it tuesday is the day
http://www.kcmo.org/CKCMO/Depts/PublicWorks/BulkyItemCollectionProgram/SolidWasteCollectionZones-North/index.htm


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 04:26:41 PM
I hope they atleast gave the SO on NE 37th street a shake down if he wasn't wearing a monitor with a reliable monitoring company.  jmo.



me too,hard to believe the two work/ed at same place and same type of perv


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 04:27:04 PM
There's a map of the location of the Irwin home and the dumpster that was on fire at this link:

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story

wonder what day trash pick up is in that hood

found it tuesday is the day
http://www.kcmo.org/CKCMO/Depts/PublicWorks/BulkyItemCollectionProgram/SolidWasteCollectionZones-North/index.htm

your good cw!  and all on the walk/drive home from your SO on 2310 NE 37th street.  may be nothing but I still hope they give him a visit.  atleast put him on notice even if he has nada to do with this cuz I'm evil minded like that...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2011, 04:27:11 PM
There's a map of the location of the Irwin home and the dumpster that was on fire at this link:

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story

wonder what day trash pick up is in that hood

found it tuesday is the day
http://www.kcmo.org/CKCMO/Depts/PublicWorks/BulkyItemCollectionProgram/SolidWasteCollectionZones-North/index.htm

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story
Dumpster Fire Leads Police to Search Landfill
October 7, 2011

Dumpster Fire and Irwin Home Map


KANSAS CITY, Mo.—

An early morning dumpster fire on Tuesday led investigators to search a Johnson County landfill in the Lisa Irwin case. Friday's search was the second time investigators visited the landfill.

Police said someone reported a dumpster fire at an apartment complex at 4897 NE 37th Street at 2:27 a.m. on Tuesday, October 4. The dumpster is less than a half a mile away from the Irwin home.

Ten-month-old Lisa Irwin was reported missing by her parents around 4 a.m. Tuesday.

Investigators examined the trash from the fire two times. On Friday they examined it again. Also on Friday, police returned to the Johnson County Deffenbaugh Industries' landfill for the second time.
After four days of searching, the investigation into baby Lisa's disappearance has taken several twists and turns. On Thursday, police announced in a hastily-called press conference that 10-month-old Lisa's parents stopped cooperating with investigators, a claim the family denies.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 04:29:10 PM
I hope they atleast gave the SO on NE 37th street a shake down if he wasn't wearing a monitor with a reliable monitoring company.  jmo.



me too,hard to believe the two work/ed at same place and same type of perv

oh I believe it.  I have a apt bdlg less than .25 miles from me that seems to be the relocation spot for all the newly released offenders in my county.  Nobody else wants them, so I'm always on the look out for them.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 04:37:45 PM
anybody here peaking over at JC?  they have a new very scarey fb post over there.  could be bunk, I have not looked at it yet.

it is here - somewhere. http://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 07, 2011, 04:50:41 PM


anybody here peaking over at JC?  they have a new very scarey fb post over there.  could be bunk, I have not looked at it yet.

it is here - somewhere. http://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall

https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall
Amie Lordi they don't need the phones to trace texts and cells most cell phone companies keep messages stored for up to a month...@barry can you tell us where you got that information?
47 minutes ago · LikeUnlike ·  1 personLoading....Barry Rosenlieb He is a well known KC activist. NOT saying this is true. Just saying it was leaked. Cell phone contains a text message from mothers brother @ 230 am that morning saying "I'm ready when you are", also the babies clothes were found in the burnt dumpster


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 04:54:52 PM
From KMBC's Mike Mahoney
From Mahoney: Also, the grandfather of Deb Bradley offered an explanation for the police statement on Thursday that the parents were no longer cooperating with police. A claim the family disputes.
David Netz, Sr says the couple objected to police questioning tactics.
"They would cone in and say, 'OK, Jeremy said this, and they'd go back to Jeremy and say Deb said this and this," Netz said.
"When you're tired and worried about your baby, you're bound to make itty bitty mistakes in time lines", Netz said.
"And they have been pouncing in every little, from what I understand, every little mistake that is made".

by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 3:21 PM


From Mahoney: He also says they are also watching developments in the search of a Johnson County landfill.
Lerette calls this a day where Irwin and Bradley, as well as other family members, are trying to get some sleep after a tension-filled week.
The couple's 10-month old daughter, Lisa disappeared Tuesday.

by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 3:19 PM

From KMBC's Mike Mahoney: A relative of Jeremy Irwin and Deb Bradley, the parents of the missing Kansas City baby, say they are hoping a tip from California pays off. Mike Lerette told KMBC's Micheal Mahoney the FBI may be looking at some surveillance video shown a couple in California with a very young child. He would not elaborate.

by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 3:19 PM

a lot of img of landfill
live updates
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: flutter1 on October 07, 2011, 04:56:55 PM
anybody here peaking over at JC?  they have a new very scarey fb post over there.  could be bunk, I have not looked at it yet.

it is here - somewhere. http://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall

FBI Moves Baby Lisa Search To Irwin Backyard

http://www.5newsonline.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,3128612.story (http://www.5newsonline.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,3128612.story)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 04:58:03 PM


anybody here peaking over at JC?  they have a new very scarey fb post over there.  could be bunk, I have not looked at it yet.

it is here - somewhere. http://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall

https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall
Amie Lordi they don't need the phones to trace texts and cells most cell phone companies keep messages stored for up to a month...@barry can you tell us where you got that information?
47 minutes ago · LikeUnlike ·  1 personLoading....Barry Rosenlieb He is a well known KC activist. NOT saying this is true. Just saying it was leaked. Cell phone contains a text message from mothers brother @ 230 am that morning saying "I'm ready when you are", also the babies clothes were found in the burnt dumpster

TY,hope the brother doesnt know the perv
that dang lawn needs mowed BBL


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 05:04:20 PM
Dear lord I think the family has stalkers now.  supposedly debbie's granddad from cartfly's above post just liked the page.

easy peasy to make fb pages...people are insane.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2011, 05:22:11 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/07/3193234/barb-shelly-did-police-suspect.html
Did police suspect Lisa Irwin's parents from the start?
Barb Shelly
October 7, 2011



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 07, 2011, 05:30:43 PM


anybody here peaking over at JC?  they have a new very scarey fb post over there.  could be bunk, I have not looked at it yet.

it is here - somewhere. http://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall

https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall
Amie Lordi they don't need the phones to trace texts and cells most cell phone companies keep messages stored for up to a month...@barry can you tell us where you got that information?
47 minutes ago · LikeUnlike ·  1 personLoading....Barry Rosenlieb He is a well known KC activist. NOT saying this is true. Just saying it was leaked. Cell phone contains a text message from mothers brother @ 230 am that morning saying "I'm ready when you are", also the babies clothes were found in the burnt dumpster

TY,hope the brother doesnt know the perv
that dang lawn needs mowed BBL

Again...could be bunk:

Barry Rosenlieb There is a kansas city activist that leaked the following. The cell phones were pinged and found in the woods behind the house. One contained a text from the mothers brother saying " I'm ready when you are". Time stamped 230 am the morning of the disappearance. The babies clothes were found in the burnt dumpster.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 05:34:49 PM
anybody here peaking over at JC?  they have a new very scarey fb post over there.  could be bunk, I have not looked at it yet.

it is here - somewhere. http://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall

FBI Moves Baby Lisa Search To Irwin Backyard

http://www.5newsonline.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,3128612.story (http://www.5newsonline.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,3128612.story)

TU, hate to say it but this is good.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 07, 2011, 05:36:50 PM


anybody here peaking over at JC?  they have a new very scarey fb post over there.  could be bunk, I have not looked at it yet.

it is here - somewhere. http://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall

https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall
Amie Lordi they don't need the phones to trace texts and cells most cell phone companies keep messages stored for up to a month...@barry can you tell us where you got that information?
47 minutes ago · LikeUnlike ·  1 personLoading....Barry Rosenlieb He is a well known KC activist. NOT saying this is true. Just saying it was leaked. Cell phone contains a text message from mothers brother @ 230 am that morning saying "I'm ready when you are", also the babies clothes were found in the burnt dumpster

TY,hope the brother doesnt know the perv
that dang lawn needs mowed BBL

Again...could be bunk:

Barry Rosenlieb There is a kansas city activist that leaked the following. The cell phones were pinged and found in the woods behind the house. One contained a text from the mothers brother saying " I'm ready when you are". Time stamped 230 am the morning of the disappearance. The babies clothes were found in the burnt dumpster.

Okay...apparantly, these rumors are coming from this guy - so only treat as rumor for now but will be interesting what 'tips' he claims to have: http://www.myspace.com/alonzo_washington/blog/544471290


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 05:39:50 PM
Posted by: wildmala
Quote
Okay...apparantly, these rumors are coming from this guy - so only treat as rumor for now but will be interesting what 'tips' he claims to have: http://www.myspace.com/alonzo_washington/blog/544471290

yea i fig rumor too


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: supersleuth99 on October 07, 2011, 05:40:23 PM
Maybe this has been posted already but I live in the area where there are updates every 30 minutes on the radio.  One report is that the police suspected the mother since Monday cause she called the father at work (Starbucks) about 2 am.  The police called in the Drug Enforcement Dept. & the FBI.  The FBI was called because there was a possibility that the baby was taken across the state line.  Kansas is a few miles from here.  Plus the police is suspicious of the dumpster that was set on fire about 2 am (reported at 2;27 am) just a mile from the Irwin's home.
The police searched a landfill in Johnson County Kansas on Monday and are going over that landfill again today.

If it's true that she called the father at 2am then she did lie when she said that she didn't wake up untill the father came home at 4 am.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 05:50:37 PM
Maybe this has been posted already but I live in the area where there are updates every 30 minutes on the radio.  One report is that the police suspected the mother since Monday cause she called the father at work (Starbucks) about 2 am.  The police called in the Drug Enforcement Dept. & the FBI.  The FBI was called because there was a possibility that the baby was taken across the state line.  Kansas is a few miles from here.  Plus the police is suspicious of the dumpster that was set on fire about 2 am (reported at 2;27 am) just a mile from the Irwin's home.
The police searched a landfill in Johnson County Kansas on Monday and are going over that landfill again today.

If it's true that she called the father at 2am then she did lie when she said that she didn't wake up untill the father came home at 4 am.

hi and WELCOME,do you have a link to the radio station


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2011, 05:51:51 PM
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/7ebd23b11d8c4ce79925a937823f8420/MO--Missing-Baby-Search/
FBI running metal detectors around backyard at Kansas City of missing 10-month-old baby
October 7, 2011

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — FBI agents have been using metal detectors outside the home of a 10-month-old Missouri girl who disappeared earlier this week.

Kansas City police Capt. Steve Young says federal agents have been running metal detector wands around the family's yard Friday. He said the search wasn't prompted by a tip, but was being done as part of a thorough sweep of the house where the baby, Lisa Irwin, was last reported seen late Monday.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: supersleuth99 on October 07, 2011, 05:55:52 PM
Maybe this has been posted already but I live in the area where there are updates every 30 minutes on the radio.  One report is that the police suspected the mother since Monday cause she called the father at work (Starbucks) about 2 am.  The police called in the Drug Enforcement Dept. & the FBI.  The FBI was called because there was a possibility that the baby was taken across the state line.  Kansas is a few miles from here.  Plus the police is suspicious of the dumpster that was set on fire about 2 am (reported at 2;27 am) just a mile from the Irwin's home.
The police searched a landfill in Johnson County Kansas on Monday and are going over that landfill again today.

If it's true that she called the father at 2am then she did lie when she said that she didn't wake up untill the father came home at 4 am.

hi and WELCOME,do you have a link to the radio station

Here is a link to listen.  There is a talk show going right now and they are discussing this case along with politics.

http://tunein.com/radio/News-Radio-980-s33977/


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 05:59:10 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/

snipped;

Parents of Missing Baby Lisa 'Appreciative' of Media Attention
Updated: 8 minutes ago  

The parents of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin arrived at a North Kansas City hotel on Friday evening, saying they appreciated the coverage of the case. An early morning dumpster fire on Tuesday led investigators to search a Johnson County landfill and by late afternoon Friday, the search had moved to the...



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 06:02:01 PM
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/7ebd23b11d8c4ce79925a937823f8420/MO--Missing-Baby-Search/
FBI running metal detectors around backyard at Kansas City of missing 10-month-old baby
October 7, 2011

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — FBI agents have been using metal detectors outside the home of a 10-month-old Missouri girl who disappeared earlier this week.

Kansas City police Capt. Steve Young says federal agents have been running metal detector wands around the family's yard Friday. He said the search wasn't prompted by a tip, but was being done as part of a thorough sweep of the house where the baby, Lisa Irwin, was last reported seen late Monday.
 ::snipping2::

i metal detect,was the baby wearing some kind of metal?
metal detectors only pick up metal,for those that arent sure what the machine does


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 07, 2011, 06:03:43 PM
Dumpster fire?  Landfill search?  Ugh, I don't even want to imagine.


This much I'm sure of: If the Mom is lying.............. she's a GOOD liar!!

Hi everyone. I know you read the reports and you can easily think, "ya right she did it" then you see her and she is besides herself....Don't know what to think.

She could be upset and crying for two different reasons:

1)  She's innocent and the tears and anguish are because she's truly broken up by the fact that her baby is missing.

2)  She's guilty but is able to cry because she's reliving, in her mind, what happened to the baby OR she's crying for herself; fearful of what's going to happen to her if she is exposed.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 06:03:45 PM
TY supersleuth99
http://tunein.com/radio/News-Radio-980-s33977/


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 06:07:02 PM
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/7ebd23b11d8c4ce79925a937823f8420/MO--Missing-Baby-Search/
FBI running metal detectors around backyard at Kansas City of missing 10-month-old baby
October 7, 2011

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — FBI agents have been using metal detectors outside the home of a 10-month-old Missouri girl who disappeared earlier this week.

Kansas City police Capt. Steve Young says federal agents have been running metal detector wands around the family's yard Friday. He said the search wasn't prompted by a tip, but was being done as part of a thorough sweep of the house where the baby, Lisa Irwin, was last reported seen late Monday.
 ::snipping2::

i metal detect,was the baby wearing some kind of metal?
metal detectors only pick up metal,for those that arent sure what the machine does

my guess would be cell phones?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 07, 2011, 06:08:26 PM
I don't know what to think at this point.  I can see parents being questioned to the point of exhaustion both physically and mentally and asking to take a break from the LE interrogations.  Taking a break doesn't mean you are not cooperating..it means you need a break..you are exhausted.  The LE obviously looked at that as not cooperating..the family says not true..they are and still want to cooperate with LE.

I would think that in this situation , if the lawyer is related to the family, they may have advised them they have a right to take a break after hours of questioning.

The failed lie detector test looks bad..but under the stress of the situation  and if the mother has been given any drugs to help her cope, it is useless...and most people are advised not to take an LD test when they are under so much stress.

I just don't know what to think...it bothers me that LE folded up their search and walked away.  Even if it is the family they still need to keep looking for this baby...and if it is someone else then they need to keep a prescence in the community.

Very good points.  I wonder, why would the police interrogate so fiercely and be so intimidating to a distraught couple who just lost their baby?  Maybe because they already have some incriminating evidence, such as cell phone records.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 06:17:28 PM
new clip of them walking into hotel;  gosh this mom is good.

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/2a3e15f3-ad58-4020-a882-df1241574f04/News/Irwin-Parents-Arrive-At-Hotel


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 06:21:09 PM
wonder if any video camera's were located at the burned dumpster site.

alright off for a bit before hubs grows horns.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 06:21:37 PM
Quote
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12149.msg1474915#msg1474915

Very good points.  I wonder, why would the police interrogate so fiercely and be so intimidating to a distraught couple who just lost their baby?  Maybe because they already have some incriminating evidence, such as cell phone records.
 


i think that is procedure,has hard as it is,it has to be done

fatcatlurker,i looked at google img of lisa i dont see earrings,must be the Cphones



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 06:26:17 PM
"About noon today, a team of federal agents came and they entered the landfill searching for a missing person. Yes, it has to do with Lisa Irwin," said Tom Coffman of Deffenbaugh.
 
FBI agents searched a 20-to- 30-acre section of the landfill, but came away with nothing. KMBC's Peggy Breit reported that the FBI told landfill executives that they were searching for a body.
 
Coffman said the trash agents searched came from the area of the Irwin home.

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a8ZScSB3


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 07, 2011, 06:27:32 PM

Do we know what the mother's brothers name is?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 07, 2011, 06:33:59 PM

Do we know what the mother's brothers name is?

Found it - I think it's Tony:

https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall#!/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall&filter=1

David Lee Netz Jr.
Jeremy also has a WORK phone which he uses for work so he left his cell phone on the table when he went to work. Moving ahead to Tuesday. Debbie was taken to the police station for questioning of course as a routine procedure and Jeremy stayed at the neighbors at that time. Debbie had Jeremy's work phone with her when she went to the police station thinking that she could be contacted once there i...f necessary. Well she had no idea what was going to happen and Jeremy's WORK cell phone was confiscated. Of course it still has not been returned. So today Tony her brother put Grandma's old phone on our cell plan so that Debbie and Jeremy would have a way to communicate with us. Just want to show people how jumping to conclusions is NOT the way to go. These words are the FACTS. Please, once again I ask, think before you post negative things. This is already hard enough for our family to endure.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 07, 2011, 06:34:44 PM

Do we know what the mother's brothers name is?

Found it - I think it's Tony:

https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall#!/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall&filter=1

David Lee Netz Jr.
Jeremy also has a WORK phone which he uses for work so he left his cell phone on the table when he went to work. Moving ahead to Tuesday. Debbie was taken to the police station for questioning of course as a routine procedure and Jeremy stayed at the neighbors at that time. Debbie had Jeremy's work phone with her when she went to the police station thinking that she could be contacted once there i...f necessary. Well she had no idea what was going to happen and Jeremy's WORK cell phone was confiscated. Of course it still has not been returned. So today Tony her brother put Grandma's old phone on our cell plan so that Debbie and Jeremy would have a way to communicate with us. Just want to show people how jumping to conclusions is NOT the way to go. These words are the FACTS. Please, once again I ask, think before you post negative things. This is already hard enough for our family to endure.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 07, 2011, 06:35:40 PM

Do we know what the mother's brothers name is?

Found it - I think it's Tony:

https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall#!/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall&filter=1

David Lee Netz Jr.
Jeremy also has a WORK phone which he uses for work so he left his cell phone on the table when he went to work. Moving ahead to Tuesday. Debbie was taken to the police station for questioning of course as a routine procedure and Jeremy stayed at the neighbors at that time. Debbie had Jeremy's work phone with her when she went to the police station thinking that she could be contacted once there i...f necessary. Well she had no idea what was going to happen and Jeremy's WORK cell phone was confiscated. Of course it still has not been returned. So today Tony her brother put Grandma's old phone on our cell plan so that Debbie and Jeremy would have a way to communicate with us. Just want to show people how jumping to conclusions is NOT the way to go. These words are the FACTS. Please, once again I ask, think before you post negative things. This is already hard enough for our family to endure.

More from same page:
David Lee Netz Jr.
Here is a quick note about the 3 missing cell phones. Debbie's cell phone had been acting up and the speakers and microphone on it were continually only working intermittently. So Sunday October 2 when Debbie, Jeremy, Blake, Michael, and Lisa came over to Debbie's grandparents (My Mom and Dad) house to celebrate Blake's birthday my Dad gave Debbie his old plain jane phone that has NO way to collec...t contact information on it. Debbie transferred the service from her old phone to the one that my Dad (her Grandpa) gave her. When she went home later that night she had both of her phones out and started coping numbers one by one into the phone she got from her Grandpa. She didn't get them all done of course so she left them on the table. Jeremy's PERSONAL cell phone was also on the table. These 3 phones were the ones that were stolen.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2011, 06:39:31 PM
 :scratch:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/10/fbi-explores-california-angle-in-missing-missouri-baby-case.html
FBI explores California angle in case of missing baby in Missouri
October 7, 2011 |  1:55 pm

A relative of the parents of a missing Kansas City, Mo., baby said Friday the family is hoping a tip from California will help them find her.

Mike Lerette told KMBC-TV in Kansas City that the FBI may be looking at some surveillance video of a couple in California with a very young child.

He did not say where in California the couple lived, and the TV station did not indicate how Lerette was related to the family.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 06:46:16 PM
live link to the Baby Lisa Irwin Updates FB pg


https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall#!/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall&filter=1 (https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall#!/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall&filter=1)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 06:51:30 PM
his name link went here, who is the baby

David Lee Netz Jr.
http://www.facebook.com/daveycrockett101 (http://www.facebook.com/daveycrockett101)
http://www.facebook.com/daveycrockett101 (http://www.facebook.com/daveycrockett101)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 07:00:04 PM
https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall&filter=1

Quote
David Lee Netz Jr.
Here is a quick note about the 3 missing cell phones. Debbie's cell phone had been acting up and the speakers and microphone on it were continually only working intermittently. So Sunday October 2 when Debbie, Jeremy, Blake, Michael, and Lisa came over to Debbie's grandparents (My Mom and Dad) house to celebrate Blake's birthday my Dad gave Debbie his old plain jane phone that has NO way to collect contact information on it. Debbie transferred the service from her old phone to the one that my Dad (her Grandpa) gave her. When she went home later that night she had both of her phones out and started coping numbers one by one into the phone she got from her Grandpa. She didn't get them all done of course so she left them on the table. Jeremy's PERSONAL cell phone was also on the table. These 3 phones were the ones that were stolen.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 07, 2011, 07:04:43 PM
Quote
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12149.msg1474915#msg1474915

Very good points.  I wonder, why would the police interrogate so fiercely and be so intimidating to a distraught couple who just lost their baby?  Maybe because they already have some incriminating evidence, such as cell phone records.
 


i think that is procedure,has hard as it is,it has to be done

That's ridiculous that they think it's OK to treat people in such a manner.  If I had a child who was truly kidnapped and investigators treated me that way I'd be livid and would also refuse to talk to them.  That doesn't imply guilt, it just shows frustration for being berated at a time when one needs comfort and support.

Gosh, I sure hope this sweet little baby is found soon.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 07, 2011, 07:41:16 PM
Just a word of caution re: Barry Rosenlieb the activist, I have lived here my entire life and I have never heard of him.  A quick search on 2 news websites turns up nothing on him.  Has it been said what organization he is with?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 07:56:05 PM
Back..can't stay away.

Here is video of the family being referred to in the facebook posts or the ones actually posting it I should say.  David Netz Sr and Mike LaRette

http://www.kmbc.com/video/29422271/detail.html#ixzz1a8nK1lJ6

KMBC's Micheal Mahoney talked with relatives of Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley on Friday about a West Coast tip and why the couple stopped talking with police.

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29422271/detail.html#ixzz1a8vgolPV


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2011, 08:08:28 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story (http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story)

FOX 4 Web Staff

6:07 p.m. CDT, October 7, 2011
KANSAS CITY, Mo.—

The parents of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin arrived at a North Kansas City hotel on Friday evening, saying they appreciated the coverage of the case. An early morning dumpster fire on Tuesday led investigators to search a Johnson County landfill and by late afternoon Friday, the search had moved to the Irwin backyard.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 07, 2011, 08:08:46 PM
Just a word of caution re: Barry Rosenlieb the activist, I have lived here my entire life and I have never heard of him.  A quick search on 2 news websites turns up nothing on him.  Has it been said what organization he is with?

The activist being referered to I believe is Alfonzo Washington (http://www.myspace.com/alonzo_washington/BLOG).  Barry is only the gentleman that was posting about him on Facebook.  Sorry for the confusion.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 07, 2011, 08:47:48 PM
Just a word of caution re: Barry Rosenlieb the activist, I have lived here my entire life and I have never heard of him.  A quick search on 2 news websites turns up nothing on him.  Has it been said what organization he is with?

The activist being referered to I believe is Alfonzo Washington (http://www.myspace.com/alonzo_washington/BLOG).  Barry is only the gentleman that was posting about him on Facebook.  Sorry for the confusion.
Thanks, I probably read it incorrectly trying to do too many things at once.  Alonzo Washington is well known and I would still be cautious.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 08:56:08 PM
video of inside Baby Lisa's home;

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/inside-baby-lisas-home-14693905

and more interview with parents.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 07, 2011, 09:57:10 PM
Finally caught up..

So the father had a work phone.. Why make a comment that couldn't call 911.. (lapsed Time calling 911).. besides that not being able to call 911 because of cell phones missing is unbelievable..

There is no way an intruder opens a front window , put the lights on, go down a hallway to retrieve cell phones,  kidnapped baby Lisa and then leave the home by front door. Its early
in the morning dark outside ..Why draw attention to the home with the lights on.. Did they have a front door light on?

Any traces of footprints inside or outside? Finger prints to turn the lights on? Finger prints by kitchen counter? Any DNA not known to anyone found in the home? Hair fibers?

Metal detector... Must be looking for missing cell phones...

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Amys Sister on October 07, 2011, 10:25:53 PM
In the Good Morning America clip one thing did bother me...

Lisa's mom was talking about the lie detector test, how it was impossible that she did not pass, and repeatedly stated she does not know where Lisa is.

Okay, maybe she does not know where Lisa is because she had assistance and someone else took Lisa.  But, and this is what bothers me, she never states that she has not hurt Lisa, or that she did not hurt her baby.

Then there is the scene... windows open, lights on, door not locked.  A kidnapper would not do those things, nor would a burglar.  No one except a person trying to hide evidence would be interested in stealing three cell phones.

The baby seems well cared for and loved in her pictures.  If her mother did this, it would seem it would have been done in an instant of extreme anger or frustration followed by efforts of covering her tracks, hiding evidence, and removal of the body before her husband-to-be arrived home.  I wonder if mom has exhibited poor coping skills in the past?

Stepdad seems distant, like in the back of his mind a small part of him feels Lisa's mom is responsible for the harm that came to her or he is angry that she has brought him into this and it's too late for him to bow out.

I think there are people who, if the love of their life accidentally murders one of their children, would help their mate hide the crime.  Child is already deceased, it can't be undone, and they might rationalize that any criminal charges would only upset the family more.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 07, 2011, 10:46:20 PM
Thanks to all for the updates, research, images and insights.

An early Canadian Thankgiving gathering is taking place at our home tomorrow.  Lots to do.  Hubby is out on the property cutting Maple leaves.

This case has grabbed my attention so I will be checking in often as well as having CNN blaring in the background.  I wish we received the FOX channel.

Later, Janet
1:05 PM PT
Well, Happy Thanksgiving Janet :)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: labubske on October 07, 2011, 10:46:51 PM
I think that we need to find out Deb's brothers name and more about him...just in case that call at 2:30 a.m. was to him. Has that information been posted yet?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 10:51:27 PM
I think that we need to find out Deb's brothers name and more about him...just in case that call at 2:30 a.m. was to him. Has that information been posted yet?
Already posted above.  David Lee Netz, Jr


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 07, 2011, 10:51:49 PM
Does 10 month old baby Lisa mattress in the crib look a little strange?

Mattress is High for a 10 month baby and wide for the crib ..

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/babyLisamattress.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 10:52:24 PM
i have MDed for over 35yrs,and something about LE using a MD bugs me.
did the LE find a MD in the house so they think a parent/s know how to
hide the hole,for whatever they buried, if you watch this vid you can see
what im talking about hiding your hole, it takes some practice to hide the
hole,if these people buried something the first place,i would look is in a
garden area,dug up soil is easier to hide  in that type of area

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj6-UfZJZ4Y&feature=related


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 07, 2011, 10:57:06 PM
Does 10 month old baby Lisa mattress in the crib look a little strange?

Mattress is High for a 10 month baby and wide for the crib ..

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/babyLisamattress.jpg)

I also noticed the black taping around the crib .. Same height of the mattress..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: labubske on October 07, 2011, 11:01:23 PM
I think that we need to find out Deb's brothers name and more about him...just in case that call at 2:30 a.m. was to him. Has that information been posted yet?
Already posted above.  David Lee Netz, Jr

OK, thanks KittyMom...I was thinking that David Lee Netz, Jr. is who posted on FB mentioning that a Tony was the brother...I just didn't know if Tony had the same last name of Bradley.  What do you think David or Tony? 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 11:03:13 PM
Does 10 month old baby Lisa mattress in the crib look a little strange?

Mattress is High for a 10 month baby and wide for the crib ..

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/babyLisamattress.jpg)

I also noticed the black taping around the crib .. Same height of the mattress..

a child that can stand even with assistance from a rail table ect,could fall out of that bed,
my nephew did at 10mo old,lucky there was plush carpet and he had tossed out a stuff toy
and landed on it,the fall scared him and he cried loudly,and brusied his arm from hitting the rail


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 07, 2011, 11:04:10 PM
Thanks FatCat for the update on the man with a baby.

Just saw this on FB (pretty bold statement):

Johnny Chiaravallotti:

In 2001 , My sister Lisa passed away from a suspicious 'accidental drug overdose'. Lisa was the mother of Debbie , the mother of this missing 10 month old. This missing baby was named after her deceased grandmother. I am the Uncle of the mother (Debbie) of this missing child. My sister Lisa had 3 kids and was estranged from her husband , who was thousands of dollars behind in back child support and was living in Delaware close to his estranged wife and his 3 kids. He did not like it on the east coast. He was from Kansas City. My 36 year old sister mysteriously died from what they called an 'accidental overdose'. After her death , her estranged husband who owed thousands in back child support and didn't like living in Delaware anyway , took his 3 kids and returned to Kansas City. Debbie , the mother of this missing child , is one of them 3 kids. Now here we are 10 years after the mysterious and suspicious death of my 36 year old sister Lisa ... and the 10 month old baby who was named after her is missing. I have no been in contact with them for a few years so I don't know what's been going on in Missouri. But I will say that I have always been suspicious about my sister Lisa's estranged husband and whether or not he was involved in her death. He had plenty of motive. And he left Delaware very fast. Lisa's death looked like an accident so it was ruled an accident. But I know my sister and she was smarter than that. And her death occurred on the 10th birthday of her youngest son who found her dead in bed on his birthday. Is the disappearance of this child and the suspicious death of my sister connected ? Is this just a coincidence ? We have one Lisa dead and another Lisa missing. I love my niece Debbie , the mother of this missing child. And I have no idea who her boyfriend is. Nor do I know what was going on in their lives in the past few years. But I do know that I lost my sister Lisa 10 years ago and I will always be very suspicious about her death. Now this poor child is missing. I am curious to know if her grandfather was around.
12 minutes ago · Like · 2 people

https://www.facebook.com/find.lisa?sk=wall  (https://www.facebook.com/find.lisa?sk=wall)

Do we know the grandfather's name and where he resides?
I am still catching up but I see that you found the answer to who Debbie's father is. After looking at his facebook, he appears to be a decent man. He has photos of all the grandchildren and seems to be very proud of his family. He also posted on someones page how much he loved being a Grandfather. My heart breaks for the extended family.
Debbie has a facebook too, but she has shut it down tight.
I don't know what thought is scarier.....the parents being responsible or an actual intruder taking baby Lisa.
I pray for answers and justice for little Lisa regardless of who is guilty. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: mizjay on October 07, 2011, 11:06:16 PM
Does 10 month old baby Lisa mattress in the crib look a little strange?

Mattress is High for a 10 month baby and wide for the crib ..

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/babyLisamattress.jpg)

I also noticed the black taping around the crib .. Same height of the mattress..

where is the black taping on crib? In the front there, looks like two strips? I'm blind!
Now I'm going to go neurotic.....if my sweet baby had been snatched from her crib and had been gone for days....that babybed would be pristine, arranged perfectly waiting for the glorious moment she returned home. this bed is a storage place in the pic . I'm weird that way. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 11:12:49 PM
these pictures of the room are after LE?  what strikes me is that LE did not strip the bed and instead have further allowed it to be contaminated with storage boxes?

I don't get it?

and the tape I think being referred to our bows in the video.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 07, 2011, 11:12:54 PM
Just Thinking Outloud...

The black tape is showing the width of the mattress.. I wonder if the original crib mattress was replaced to this one..

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Lisamattress.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: labubske on October 07, 2011, 11:14:36 PM
Okay, I understand it now...Anthony Netz is 24 year old brother from Independence, MO and David Netz is their dad.  Got it! Phewwhh...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 11:15:42 PM
who and when and why, did they put the baby tub in the bed,stange place for
a baby tub,germs yuck


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2011, 11:15:52 PM
Crib, bumper pad, looks like a ruffle under the mattress that is askew or tucked up on one side.  I don't understand putting the carrier inside the bed.  Somehow just doesn't seem right.

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6046/6222064778_acd36ed72c_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 07, 2011, 11:17:35 PM
Crib, bumper pad, looks like a ruffle under the mattress that is askew or tucked up on one side.  I don't understand putting the carrier inside the bed.  Somehow just doesn't seem right.

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6046/6222064778_acd36ed72c_b.jpg)

Klaas.. i think LE it the stuff in the crib when they were done investigating


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2011, 11:19:22 PM
Just Thinking Outloud...

The black tape is showing the width of the mattress.. I wonder if the original crib mattress was replaced to this one..

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Lisamattress.jpg)

I don't think that is black tape, I think it's brown ties to tie the bumper pad to the rail.  I know I'm older than dirt and it was a long time that i had to deal with a crib but that's how I remember it anyway  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 07, 2011, 11:20:22 PM
I think that we need to find out Deb's brothers name and more about him...just in case that call at 2:30 a.m. was to him. Has that information been posted yet?
I did look at them a couple of days ago at the case net site another smart monkey posted. He is about 20 years old and other than a moving violation he is clean as a whistle.

Also note that there are 5 generations, baby Lisa, Debbie, Debbie's father David, David's Mother and David's Grandmother. Debbie is only about 27 years old if I remember right. I also believe Debbie's maiden name is Nast. The Bradley name (from what I read) is from a prior marriage.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 11:21:38 PM
I wonder if they pulled the whole mattress out to look under?  than just stuffed it all back in there during a initial search?  



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 07, 2011, 11:23:39 PM
OK Klaas.. But I am keeping that image in my head of the height of the mattress and width with of that mattress..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2011, 11:23:42 PM
Thanks to all for the updates, research, images and insights.

An early Canadian Thankgiving gathering is taking place at our home tomorrow.  Lots to do.  Hubby is out on the property cutting Maple leaves.

This case has grabbed my attention so I will be checking in often as well as having CNN blaring in the background.  I wish we received the FOX channel.

Later, Janet
1:05 PM PT
Well, Happy Thanksgiving Janet :)

Thanks carfly.

House is cleaned and decorated and ... Turkey stuffed.  I'll be up early in the morning preparing vegies.  I am feeling a sad.  Son and family from the Island will not be able to make it.  DIL and my baby grandaughter are down with rotten colds.

Anyways ... I was hoping that there would be solution to this case today ... maybe tomorrow.  Where is baby Lisa?

Good Night All

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2011, 11:24:16 PM
Tying the bumper pad to the rail
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6113/6222079334_80aecb431e_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: labubske on October 07, 2011, 11:26:23 PM
I think that we need to find out Deb's brothers name and more about him...just in case that call at 2:30 a.m. was to him. Has that information been posted yet?
I did look at them a couple of days ago at the case net site another smart monkey posted. He is about 20 years old and other than a moving violation he is clean as a whistle.

Also note that there are 5 generations, baby Lisa, Debbie, Debbie's father David, David's Mother and David's Grandmother. Debbie is only about 27 years old if I remember right. I also believe Debbie's maiden name is Nast. The Bradley name (from what I read) is from a prior marriage.

Thanks cartfly...it doesn't seem to fit for me for some reason...calling brother in to get rid of the baby or something.  Just seems to go against lifestyle or something...I guess I really don't know a lot about him though.  He lives (if the address is still the same) approximately 13 miles from her from what I found.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 07, 2011, 11:28:34 PM
klaas~ you are right, that is the bumper ties for the bed. It seems odd that the storage boxes are sitting in the middle of it during an investigation. The way it appears now, it doesn't even look like baby Lisa still slept in it. I don't think she is old enough for a toddler bed unless she was walking already and they were worried she would fall out or try to climb out of the crib.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2011, 11:28:44 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-parents-of-lisa-irwin-we-only-want-our-daughter-back-home-20111007,0,4688281.story
Parents: We Only Want Lisa Home
October 7, 2011 9:29 p.m. CDT



 ::snipping2::
But despite the testy relationship between the parents and police, who say that Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin have stopped cooperating with investigators in the case, Bradley says that she knows that police are only doing their jobs, and that her only concern is bringing her daughter home.
Bradley says that she was the one who asked for the polygraph test, telling police on Tuesday that she would take one right away so they could get it over with and move on to whoever took her daughter.

"I said I'll take it right now. I said it the first day," said Bradley, who says that it just isn't possible that she failed the exam. "They showed me the picture and asked me a whole bunch of questions and I told them everything that I knew and I told them everything I remember to be correct."

Bradley says that Lisa Irwin was last seen in her crib in her home in the 3600 block of North Lister around 10:30 p.m. on Monday night. Bradley says that when Lisa's father, Jeremy Irwin, came home from work around 4:00 a.m. on Tuesday morning, he went into her room to check on her and she wasn't in her crib. They say that they searched the home, and then called 9-1-1.

Bradley says that there was a baby monitor in Lisa's room. She says the only thing that ever wakes her up is Lisa's cries and she did not hear anything coming from the room.

Lisa Irwin's father, Jeremy Irwin, says that Monday night was the first time he had ever worked an overnight shift at his job as an electrician. He says that he wonders who might have known his schedule.

"Who knew where I was? Who knew I wasn't home," said Irwin, who says that he has never wavered in his belief that Bradley has nothing to do with his daughter's disappearance, despite the polygraph exam...
 ::snipping2::
"She's just a good baby and if you pick her up when she's sleeping, she'll cuddle with you and I mean, she wont cry," said Bradley.

 ::snipping2::
Video at Link


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2011, 11:28:45 PM
You can see in this picture where the mattress is in comparison to the bumper pad.

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6095/6222088342_fe50737ee6_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 11:28:47 PM
Just Thinking Outloud...

The black tape is showing the width of the mattress.. I wonder if the original crib mattress was replaced to this one..

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Lisamattress.jpg)

the bed looks like it has another smaller mattress under the thick top mattress
look on the right you can see the board rail platform sorry dont remember what
to call it,and on the left you can see the board rail platform,and it looks like another
mat ,shorter in length,is under the thick top mat, its just to high,and doesnt look like
the  board rail platform,can go any lower,hope you understand what im trying to say


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 11:29:45 PM
Does 10 month old baby Lisa mattress in the crib look a little strange?

Mattress is High for a 10 month baby and wide for the crib ..

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/babyLisamattress.jpg)

I also noticed the black taping around the crib .. Same height of the mattress..
I'm not sure what you're referring to as black taping.  I see a bumper pad tied in place around the rails of the crib. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2011, 11:30:52 PM
Maybe that isn't electrical tape that's tying the bumper pad to the crib.  Look closely. There's a light colored satiny blanket folded over the back side of the crib and it's edged with the same color of cloth as the bumper pad ties.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2011, 11:32:44 PM
Did ya'll notice in my post above the pics that were just posted, the article says there was a baby monitor in the room?  And there's a comment from Bradley saying what a good baby she was and if she was asleep and you picked her up, she would cuddle and not wake up?  cry?

Edit to change wake up to cry.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 07, 2011, 11:36:01 PM
Maybe that isn't electrical tape that's tying the bumper pad to the crib.  Look closely. There's a light colored satiny blanket folded over the back side of the crib and it's edged with the same color of cloth as the bumper pad ties.

OK .. I surrender ..Its bumper pad ties..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 11:36:29 PM
Did ya'll notice in my post above the pics that were just posted, the article says there was a baby monitor in the room?  And there's a comment from Bradley saying what a good baby she was and if she was asleep and you picked her up, she would cuddle and not wake up? 


I'm not sure the same can be said for a stranger picking a baby up.  I remember mine going through separation anxiety around that time.  I couldn't leave line of sight or mine would scream bloody murder. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 07, 2011, 11:41:49 PM
baby monitor,and a sick baby that didnt cry


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: labubske on October 07, 2011, 11:42:45 PM
There is a Phillip Netz listed at their address on Lister.
http://radaris.com/p/Anthony/Netz/MO/


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: labubske on October 07, 2011, 11:44:37 PM
There is a Phillip Netz listed at their address on Lister.
http://radaris.com/p/Anthony/Netz/MO/

Uh oh...that may be one of the kids...sorry about that.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2011, 11:47:17 PM
I have to believe LE has reasons for doubting the mom's story.  I know I doubt it and I don't know what LE knows. I'm sick of parents harming their innocent babies.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: labubske on October 07, 2011, 11:47:20 PM
There is a Phillip Netz listed at their address on Lister.
http://radaris.com/p/Anthony/Netz/MO/

Uh oh...that may be one of the kids...sorry about that.

Ummm...well, I don't think he is a kid...unless it's okay that he is drinking with what appears to be Jeremy...can I post the FB link?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 11:48:20 PM
baby monitor,and a sick baby that didnt cry
A sick baby with a cough.  I remember mine being sick at 10 months.  They had a crib in my bedroom right beside my bed.  I heard every cough and sniffle.  I would get up many times during the night just to make sure they were still covered up, not running a temp or sweating, and just to pat their backs until they settled.  My oldest would get an ear ache with every cold.  Never failed.  And the crying would be so pitiful.  I hated when she'd get the ear ache. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: mizjay on October 07, 2011, 11:48:25 PM
Did ya'll notice in my post above the pics that were just posted, the article says there was a baby monitor in the room?  And there's a comment from Bradley saying what a good baby she was and if she was asleep and you picked her up, she would cuddle and not wake up? 


I'm not sure the same can be said for a stranger picking a baby up.  I remember mine going through separation anxiety around that time.  I couldn't leave line of sight or mine would scream bloody murder. 
Plus, if she had been sick and was apparently sleeping soundly (or else the mother says she'd wake up) if somebody picked her up, surely after sleeping that long, she would have been a little fussy. Guess the baby napper could have had a hand over her mouth?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 11:49:03 PM
Ok so if you have a missing child you call LE they should come in and search the whole house?  Than the investigators come in and take out any evidence  pertaining to the crime of a missing child.  and look for forensic evidence.

I want to know where the black fingerprint dust is and why that sheet was not taken for hair and fiber.  and further why are they letting media in there already?  I'd sure hate to be this LE if they FUBAR'ed this one.  

This is very disturbing to me.  


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 11:50:19 PM
Did ya'll notice in my post above the pics that were just posted, the article says there was a baby monitor in the room?  And there's a comment from Bradley saying what a good baby she was and if she was asleep and you picked her up, she would cuddle and not wake up? 


I'm not sure the same can be said for a stranger picking a baby up.  I remember mine going through separation anxiety around that time.  I couldn't leave line of sight or mine would scream bloody murder. 
Plus, if she had been sick and was apparently sleeping soundly (or else the mother says she'd wake up) if somebody picked her up, surely after sleeping that long, she would have been a little fussy. Guess the baby napper could have had a hand over her mouth?

It's also odd that mom mentions cough and stuffy nose but no meds? 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 07, 2011, 11:50:55 PM
I have to believe LE has reasons for doubting the mom's story.  I know I doubt it and I don't know what LE knows. I'm sick of parents harming their innocent babies.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
I think we all are.  Can you imagine being in LE and hearing this stuff first hand.  Having to talk with parents when you already know the answer and listening to them lie?  I couldn't be LE.  I'd be across the table with my hands wrapped around a perp's throat.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 07, 2011, 11:54:35 PM
I have to believe LE has reasons for doubting the mom's story.  I know I doubt it and I don't know what LE knows. I'm sick of parents harming their innocent babies.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

LE better or I see lawsuit here.  ITA on the parents; if only we could lock them up for longer or give them a sterilization option.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: mizjay on October 08, 2011, 12:01:41 AM
Ok so if you have a missing child you call LE they should come in and search the whole house?  Than the investigators come in and take out any evidence  pertaining to the crime of a missing child.  and look for forensic evidence.

I want to know where the black fingerprint dust is and why that sheet was not taken for hair and fiber.  and further why are they letting media in there already?  I'd sure hate to be this LE if they FUBAR'ed this one.  

This is very disturbing to me.  
Wow, good point fatcat,  where is all the evidence of fingerprint dust?  Maybe family cleaned it all up? I sure hope so...otherwise that seems bad


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 12:06:02 AM
thank you Muffy for the video.  So mom didn't take the LDT until Thursday?  I wonder if that is what the argument was about at the command post that day.

Mom should get an Oscar.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 12:17:09 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/r-slideshow/29423242/detail.html

new pictures taken Oct 2nd.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Pattianne on October 08, 2011, 12:22:17 AM
I understand how it is easy to feel sorry for mom Deborah in her interviews because she is crying so hard.  I can't put my finger on it but I think it's all an act.  If I was crying that hard I wouldn't be able to talk so clearly.  She defends herself loudly and aggressively but can turn on the tears like a faucet.  And the fiance, I can't figure him out - he just sits there all meek and mild.  They are both dressed in jeans and sweatshirts or hoodies yet Lisa is put to bed wearing shorts and a top.

When my son was an infant I had built in radar.  The beginning of a cry would wake my up.  So how can all the lights be on in the house and not wake a person up.  I would still wake up.  Wouldn't that scare you?  Lisa had a cold with a cough and that would make me even more alert.  He put Lisa to bed at 10:30 and laid down with her 6 year old son at 10:30 and fell asleep.  The story she is telling is just too down pat and convenient.  I'm just not buying it - it sounds and looks rehearsed to me.  Something is wrong. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 12:23:47 AM
There is a Phillip Netz listed at their address on Lister.
http://radaris.com/p/Anthony/Netz/MO/

Uh oh...that may be one of the kids...sorry about that.

Ummm...well, I don't think he is a kid...unless it's okay that he is drinking with what appears to be Jeremy...can I post the FB link?

did you post it and I missed it?  The children are B and M first initials I think.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: labubske on October 08, 2011, 12:30:07 AM
There is a Phillip Netz listed at their address on Lister.
http://radaris.com/p/Anthony/Netz/MO/

Uh oh...that may be one of the kids...sorry about that.

Ummm...well, I don't think he is a kid...unless it's okay that he is drinking with what appears to be Jeremy...can I post the FB link?

did you post it and I missed it?  The children are B and M first initials I think.

No, I wasn't sure about it...but it isn't one of the sons.  But, he has the same address on Lister...so I wonder if he lived there or if he still lives there?  I believe that I can post it since he isn't a minor...or he doesn't seem to be since he is drinking shots.  Here it is...https://www.facebook.com/phillynetz?sk=wall


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 12:32:51 AM
TU labubske. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 12:36:50 AM
I understand how it is easy to feel sorry for mom Deborah in her interviews because she is crying so hard.  I can't put my finger on it but I think it's all an act.  If I was crying that hard I wouldn't be able to talk so clearly.  She defends herself loudly and aggressively but can turn on the tears like a faucet.  And the fiance, I can't figure him out - he just sits there all meek and mild.  They are both dressed in jeans and sweatshirts or hoodies yet Lisa is put to bed wearing shorts and a top.

When my son was an infant I had built in radar.  The beginning of a cry would wake my up.  So how can all the lights be on in the house and not wake a person up.  I would still wake up.  Wouldn't that scare you?  Lisa had a cold with a cough and that would make me even more alert.  He put Lisa to bed at 10:30 and laid down with her 6 year old son at 10:30 and fell asleep.  The story she is telling is just too down pat and convenient.  I'm just not buying it - it sounds and looks rehearsed to me.  Something is wrong. 

this will sound strange but I try not to get into people's heads to much.  Most people are just to strange one way or another in normal situations much less a crisis.  How one person acts in any given situation is just to subjective for me to be objective unless I know them personally for a while imo. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 12:45:46 AM
They were on nightline tonight and I missed it - here's the link.

http://abcnews.go.com/watch/nightline/SH5584743/VD55146825/nightline-1006-missing-babys-parents-desperate-plea


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 08, 2011, 12:47:37 AM
Posted by: wildmala
Quote
Okay...apparantly, these rumors are coming from this guy - so only treat as rumor for now but will be interesting what 'tips' he claims to have: http://www.myspace.com/alonzo_washington/blog/544471290

yea i fig rumor too
If there isn't a reward he will quietly slither away  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: labubske on October 08, 2011, 12:57:21 AM
There is a Phillip Netz listed at their address on Lister.
http://radaris.com/p/Anthony/Netz/MO/

Uh oh...that may be one of the kids...sorry about that.

Ummm...well, I don't think he is a kid...unless it's okay that he is drinking with what appears to be Jeremy...can I post the FB link?

did you post it and I missed it?  The children are B and M first initials I think.

No, I wasn't sure about it...but it isn't one of the sons.  But, he has the same address on Lister...so I wonder if he lived there or if he still lives there?  I believe that I can post it since he isn't a minor...or he doesn't seem to be since he is drinking shots.  Here it is...https://www.facebook.com/phillynetz?sk=wall

Well Phillip is at least 20...here is Myspace:  http://www.myspace.com/moguy410  Wonder why his address is listed there on Lister with Deb and Jeremy?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 08, 2011, 01:26:43 AM
There is a Phillip Netz listed at their address on Lister.
http://radaris.com/p/Anthony/Netz/MO/

Uh oh...that may be one of the kids...sorry about that.

Ummm...well, I don't think he is a kid...unless it's okay that he is drinking with what appears to be Jeremy...can I post the FB link?

did you post it and I missed it?  The children are B and M first initials I think.

No, I wasn't sure about it...but it isn't one of the sons.  But, he has the same address on Lister...so I wonder if he lived there or if he still lives there?  I believe that I can post it since he isn't a minor...or he doesn't seem to be since he is drinking shots.  Here it is...https://www.facebook.com/phillynetz?sk=wall

Well Phillip is at least 20...here is Myspace:  http://www.myspace.com/moguy410  Wonder why his address is listed there on Lister with Deb and Jeremy?
I am not positive and I can not provide a source but I think Jeremy's parents live nearby, same street (?) Perhaps it is family property or propert


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 01:47:57 AM
Ok so if you have a missing child you call LE they should come in and search the whole house?  Than the investigators come in and take out any evidence  pertaining to the crime of a missing child.  and look for forensic evidence.

I want to know where the black fingerprint dust is and why that sheet was not taken for hair and fiber.  and further why are they letting media in there already?  I'd sure hate to be this LE if they FUBAR'ed this one.  

This is very disturbing to me.  

_____________________________________________________________________

Just wanted to note that I see now that the Irwin's let the media into the house not LE, my bad.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 08, 2011, 08:26:00 AM
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/national_world/2011/10/08/police-search-landfill-as-babys-mom-fends-off-accusations.html
Police search landfill as baby’s mom fends off accusations
By  Maria Sudekum Fisher
Associated Press Saturday October 8, 2011 7:17 AM
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — FBI agents searched a Kansas landfill yesterday in connection with the disappearance of a 10-month-old Missouri girl, just hours after the child’s mother said police accused her of being involved.

Agents and Kansas City police spent about two hours at the Deffenbaugh Industries landfill in the suburb of Shawnee, said FBI spokeswoman Bridget Patton, who confirmed that the activity was related to the search for Lisa Irwin.

The girl’s parents have said she was snatched from her crib in the night.

Patton said it was the second time the FBI had been at the landfill, which investigators also searched Tuesday — the day the baby was reported missing. Police said agents also used metal detectors to search the family’s yard.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 08, 2011, 09:13:33 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-california-tip/story?id=14695496
Missing Baby Lisa: Teen Questioned as Police Look Into California Tip
October 8, 2011

Authorities are looking into two new leads today in the case of a missing 10-month-old Missouri baby.
 ::snipping2::
On Friday, a teenage neighbor of Lisa's parents was questioned by investigators and forensic experts took a DNA sample, a source told ABC News. That neighbor was apparently at the home the day Lisa vanished and also knew the access code to the family's garage.

However, police said they still have no suspects.

Investigators are also looking into reports from the west coast, where a couple was seen with a small child fitting Lisa's description, relative Mike Lerette told ABC affiliate KMBC-TV.

"They're pursuing surveillance tape on a couple with the baby in California," said Lerette.
"I can tell you based on experience of working high profile abductions that you get leads from literally all over the world. Is that possible? Of course it's possible. Is it likely? I don't think so," Garrett said. "I think this situation is probably going to stay within the Kansas City area."

FBI Special agent and ABC News consultant Brad Garrett said the first of those leads is a more feasible possibility than the second from California.


 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 09:46:38 AM
DNA from a teen?  Interesting.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wbaw0724 on October 08, 2011, 09:59:13 AM
DNA from a teen?  Interesting.
They might be on to something, MOO might explain  how he got in to the home ( he knew access code to garage), neighbor sees man walking with baby in the middle of the night , fire at dumpster (with walking distance, I heard three min walk), it was reported the teenager was at the house the evening before....................And he wasnt a stranger to baby lisa...............wow I dont know what to think anymore..........


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 08, 2011, 10:07:14 AM
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/08/sneak-peek-judge-jeanines-exclusive-interview-with-baby-lisas-parents/
Sneak Peek: Judge Jeanine’s Exclusive Interview with Baby Lisa’s Parents
by Justice With Judge Jeanine Posted in: Baby Lisa, Lisa Irwin
9:39 am ET October 8, 2011


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 08, 2011, 10:24:29 AM


http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-retired-fbi-agent-hope-starting-to-fade-in-search-for-baby-lisa-20111007,0,7006989.story
Retired FBI Agent: Hope Starting to Fade in Search for Baby Lisa
October 7, 2011

 ::snipping2::
Michael Tabman spent 24 years with the FBI, and is now a private security consultant and author. He says that in the case of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin, he was initially optimistic that the child would soon be found. But now he says that he's not so sure.

6:27 Video at Link


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 08, 2011, 10:27:00 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/lisa-irwin-inside-search-14695172
Lisa Irwin: Inside Look Into the Search
Former FBI agent Brad Garrett gives an in-depth look into the case.
October 8, 2011

Video at Link


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2011, 10:45:04 AM
DNA from a teen?  Interesting.
They might be on to something, MOO might explain  how he got in to the home ( he knew access code to garage), neighbor sees man walking with baby in the middle of the night , fire at dumpster (with walking distance, I heard three min walk), it was reported the teenager was at the house the evening before....................And he wasnt a stranger to baby lisa...............wow I dont know what to think anymore..........

 ::MonkeyShocked::

wbaw0724 ... I realize that the neighbour's alleged observation has been mentioned on this thread but ... what was the source.  Media?  Facebook?

Thanks

BTW ... Welcome to the Cage!!

Janet



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 08, 2011, 10:48:31 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-california-tip/story?id=14695496
Missing Baby Lisa: Teen Questioned as Police Look Into California Tip
October 8, 2011

Authorities are looking into two new leads today in the case of a missing 10-month-old Missouri baby.
 ::snipping2::
On Friday, a teenage neighbor of Lisa's parents was questioned by investigators and forensic experts took a DNA sample, a source told ABC News. That neighbor was apparently at the home the day Lisa vanished and also knew the access code to the family's garage.

However, police said they still have no suspects.

Investigators are also looking into reports from the west coast, where a couple was seen with a small child fitting Lisa's description, relative Mike Lerette told ABC affiliate KMBC-TV.

"They're pursuing surveillance tape on a couple with the baby in California," said Lerette.
"I can tell you based on experience of working high profile abductions that you get leads from literally all over the world. Is that possible? Of course it's possible. Is it likely? I don't think so," Garrett said. "I think this situation is probably going to stay within the Kansas City area."

FBI Special agent and ABC News consultant Brad Garrett said the first of those leads is a more feasible possibility than the second from California.


 ::snipping2::

Was looking online for more news, but there's not much out this morning.

I'm assuming the teenager is male.

He would make a good suspect since he lives close by, also he was in the home the day Lisa disappeared, he knows the access code to the garage, and most possibly he learned that the father wouldn't be there that night, and he would've learned their schedule without raising red flags.

I would understand a teenager taking the cellphones, and leaving lights on and doors open. But, a male teenager taking a baby? The only reason I would think for a male teenager to steal a baby is mental illness.

The news said that police searched nearby homes three and four times, so IF he took the baby he didn't keep her home.

Wouldn't his parents have noticed something, he coming and going at odds hours of the night, specially if he brought home a screaming baby?



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 08, 2011, 10:52:54 AM
Maybe this neighbor can give LE some info on what was going on in the home that day.  Did the teen see these cells?  Did the teen view Lisa sick with a cold?



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wbaw0724 on October 08, 2011, 11:18:22 AM
DNA from a teen?  Interesting.
They might be on to something, MOO might explain  how he got in to the home ( he knew access code to garage), neighbor sees man walking with baby in the middle of the night , fire at dumpster (with walking distance, I heard three min walk), it was reported the teenager was at the house the evening before....................And he wasnt a stranger to baby lisa...............wow I dont know what to think anymore..........

 ::MonkeyShocked::

wbaw0724 ... I realize that the neighbour's alleged observation has been mentioned on this thread but ... what was the source.  Media?  Facebook?

Thanks

BTW ... Welcome to the Cage!!

Janet


http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/neighbor-says-husband-saw-man-carrying-baby-wearing-only-a-diaper


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 08, 2011, 11:19:28 AM
Maybe this neighbor can give LE some info on what was going on in the home that day.  Did the teen see these cells?  Did the teen view Lisa sick with a cold?



Good thinking. Maybe he saw the parents argue, or saw one of them loosing it...

The teen could serve as a witness to the ambiance at the house that day.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 11:37:49 AM
DNA from a teen?  Interesting.
They might be on to something, MOO might explain  how he got in to the home ( he knew access code to garage), neighbor sees man walking with baby in the middle of the night , fire at dumpster (with walking distance, I heard three min walk), it was reported the teenager was at the house the evening before....................And he wasnt a stranger to baby lisa...............wow I dont know what to think anymore..........

Welcome to SM!  No matter which way I look at this it does not look good for Lisa.  I'am totally heartbroken on this because she is a baby...they all matter but babies really get to me.  There are so few reasons for someone to take a baby. 

But atleast this lets us know that LE is looking at all angles instead of just zoning in on the parents and just maybe there was/is some DNA to be had in the house in an area where it should not be.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 11:39:15 AM
Maybe this neighbor can give LE some info on what was going on in the home that day.  Did the teen see these cells?  Did the teen view Lisa sick with a cold?



Good thinking. Maybe he saw the parents argue, or saw one of them loosing it...

The teen could serve as a witness to the ambiance at the house that day.



 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 11:48:09 AM
MAN WALKING WITH BABY.
I may have missed it but was anything ever said again about the report of a man carrying a baby at 1 AM in the morning on a street near Lisa's home?

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby

snipped;

One neighbor told police that a stranger was seen walking a baby wearing only a diaper about 1 a.m. in the street by the baby's home. Young said this tip didn't pan out.

________________________________________________________________________

I am not sure why they were so quick to dismiss this.  The only thing I could fathom is that it was seen at a distance and it was a man walking a foo foo dog than the man picks it up???  But they describe the person going to the front door of a house and pretending to be going home; watch video.  The wife says the guy was on a street "Perpendicular" to the Irwin's street when seen.  If I remember right from the map that could very well be NE 37th Street....IDK.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2011, 11:52:56 AM
DNA from a teen?  Interesting.
They might be on to something, MOO might explain  how he got in to the home ( he knew access code to garage), neighbor sees man walking with baby in the middle of the night , fire at dumpster (with walking distance, I heard three min walk), it was reported the teenager was at the house the evening before....................And he wasnt a stranger to baby lisa...............wow I dont know what to think anymore..........

 ::MonkeyShocked::

wbaw0724 ... I realize that the neighbour's alleged observation has been mentioned on this thread but ... what was the source.  Media?  Facebook?

Thanks

BTW ... Welcome to the Cage!!

Janet


http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/neighbor-says-husband-saw-man-carrying-baby-wearing-only-a-diaper

Thanks wbaw0724

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2011, 11:54:23 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby

snipped;

One neighbor told police that a stranger was seen walking a baby wearing only a diaper about 1 a.m. in the street by the baby's home. Young said this tip didn't pan out.

<Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom>


Thanks fatcatlurker


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 08, 2011, 12:07:03 PM
DNA from a teen?  Interesting.
They might be on to something, MOO might explain  how he got in to the home ( he knew access code to garage), neighbor sees man walking with baby in the middle of the night , fire at dumpster (with walking distance, I heard three min walk), it was reported the teenager was at the house the evening before....................And he wasnt a stranger to baby lisa...............wow I dont know what to think anymore..........

Okay...just wondering how old exactly this teen is...older?  Like 17?? 

This COULD be the source of deception in the mom's poly.  Was she alone in the house the evening Lisa disappeared?  If this teen was in the home with her and she was trying to hide that in fear of discovering an affair she is having with this teen...there's the deception.  May seem far-fetched...but these days, unfortunately, stories of women being involved with someone too young isn't impossible.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: mizjay on October 08, 2011, 12:10:45 PM
DNA from a teen?  Interesting.
They might be on to something, MOO might explain  how he got in to the home ( he knew access code to garage), neighbor sees man walking with baby in the middle of the night , fire at dumpster (with walking distance, I heard three min walk), it was reported the teenager was at the house the evening before....................And he wasnt a stranger to baby lisa...............wow I dont know what to think anymore..........

Okay...just wondering how old exactly this teen is...older?  Like 17?? 

This COULD be the source of deception in the mom's poly.  Was she alone in the house the evening Lisa disappeared?  If this teen was in the home with her and she was trying to hide that in fear of discovering an affair she is having with this teen...there's the deception.  May seem far-fetched...but these days, unfortunately, stories of women being involved with someone too young isn't impossible.
You're right about that, nowadays, nothing is too far fetched.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wbaw0724 on October 08, 2011, 12:29:55 PM
DNA from a teen?  Interesting.
They might be on to something, MOO might explain  how he got in to the home ( he knew access code to garage), neighbor sees man walking with baby in the middle of the night , fire at dumpster (with walking distance, I heard three min walk), it was reported the teenager was at the house the evening before....................And he wasnt a stranger to baby lisa...............wow I dont know what to think anymore..........

Okay...just wondering how old exactly this teen is...older?  Like 17?? 

This COULD be the source of deception in the mom's poly.  Was she alone in the house the evening Lisa disappeared?  If this teen was in the home with her and she was trying to hide that in fear of discovering an affair she is having with this teen...there's the deception.  May seem far-fetched...but these days, unfortunately, stories of women being involved with someone too young isn't impossible.
You're right about that, nowadays, nothing is too far fetched.
I was thinking the same thing, just didnt want to say it..............I have not read anywhere that LE has confirmed the 2:30 phone call, i am beginning to think that the LE was leaking information to try and turn the parents against each other, or family to start turning against the parents............You know how you can start thinking about what some one said and turn innocent comments into something that fits in with the story. Example Someone says I heard the mom say one time she wished the kids would just go away, that statement could be turned into something major, in a case like this........


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 01:15:43 PM
I don't know if this video was posted or not.  It shows the floor plan pretty well from front door area thru kitchen to the side/front computer/spare living room which is the window that was open.  It also shows that the house is smaller rooms and very dark imo.  Kitchen is galley style between front door and this computer room.  anyway the path would be dark imo for a stranger to go thru to get to Lisa's room which I gather is off the front door area towards the rear of the house.  There are also pics at the link but harder to figure out unless you know the floorplan imo.

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29427206/detail.html

 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Babybear on October 08, 2011, 01:45:03 PM
I don't know if this video was posted or not.  It shows the floor plan pretty well from front door area thru kitchen to the side/front computer/spare living room which is the window that was open.  It also shows that the house is smaller rooms and very dark imo.  Kitchen is galley style between front door and this computer room.  anyway the path would be dark imo for a stranger to go thru to get to Lisa's room which I gather is off the front door area towards the rear of the house.  There are also pics at the link but harder to figure out unless you know the floorplan imo.

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29427206/detail.html

 
Good afternoon Monkeys--I'm sorry guys, but I believe the mother is telling the truth. I would never accuse anyone of a crime, especially involving harm or murder of a child unless I have something to go on.  Nor would I speculate or accuse someone of having an affair and trying to cover it up without one iota of evidence. We each have to live with our own conscience.  And these are real people, not characters in a novel.

At this point, I think the mother is innocent.  Subsequent facts could  prove me wrong, but looking at her distress breaks my heart.  Lisa is a darling little baby.  I hope she's brought home safely but we all know how these abductions usually turn out.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Babybear on October 08, 2011, 01:46:13 PM
It appears that I got in someone's box.  I apologize.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 01:49:46 PM
It's ok Babybear.  I'm good just sitting here wishing they would find Lisa like everyone else.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 01:52:02 PM
And you guys up post talking about the teenager are saints.  I can think of many bad things a teenager would do with a baby....unfortunately.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: bebecat on October 08, 2011, 02:09:19 PM
I haven't seen where this teen is a male...it could be a babysitter, DNA provided for comparison purposes only.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 02:11:52 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/08/3194711/missing-girls-family-to-work-on.html
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Missing girl's family to work on generating tips for police, reward fund
By MARK MORRIS
The Kansas City Star
By MARK MORRIS The Kansas City Star
Updated: 2011-10-08T17:29:20Z

Orlin Wagner
Missing girl's family to work on generating tips for police, reward fund Supporters pray for missing infant  Family members of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin, missing since Tuesday, announced Saturday that they would scale back their media interviews for the time being and focus on generating tips for police.

Mike LeRette — a cousin of the baby's mother, Deborah Bradley, and a spokesman for the family — said lawyers are now working with the family to set up a trust fund that would accept donations for a reward fund.

That process is moving slowly, LeRette said, but he hopes to have an announcement soon. Family members sense that the volume of tips to authorities has fallen off in the last couple of days and they hope a generous reward fund will encourage more tips.

“It seems like they’re running out of good leads, so why not give them more?” LeRette asked. “We’re one phone call away. One person calls in and maybe she’s in our arms later today.”

Authorities issued an Amber Alert Tuesday after Irwin returned from work as an electrician about 4 a.m. and found that Lisa was gone. Police launched a massive search and questioned the couple closely about their activities that morning and the previous day.

On Friday, investigators ran metal detectors around the family’s Northland yard and FBI agents searched a landfill for the second time for trash that had been received from the family’s neighborhood.



Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/08/3194711/missing-girls-family-to-work-on.html#ixzz1aDNiTOve


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 02:16:33 PM
I haven't seen where this teen is a male...it could be a babysitter, DNA provided for comparison purposes only.

your right.   


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 08, 2011, 02:23:49 PM
Teen could mean 13 or 19.  Huge age difference and lots of possibilities of why teen could be on home from something very innocent to things that would not be.  But, I read that LE says person is not a suspect so I,m hoping for the best.  I'm just glad there is someone outside of a relative that saw Lisa in the hours before she disappeared.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 02:32:05 PM
Just thought of one more thing before I pop out of here for a while.

Didn't the facebook poster who said Lisa waved at him from her front door that day she went missing state it was from his "MOM'S" house across the street?  Could he be a teen still living at home?

Anybody recall who posted it here or remember it?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wbaw0724 on October 08, 2011, 03:02:32 PM
Just thought of one more thing before I pop out of here for a while.

Didn't the facebook poster who said Lisa waved at him from her front door that day she went missing state it was from his "MOM'S" house across the street?  Could he be a teen still living at home?

Anybody recall who posted it here or remember it?

Look on page 18 of this forum, little past halfway down...............


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: islandmonkey on October 08, 2011, 03:31:45 PM
Teen could mean 13 or 19.  Huge age difference and lots of possibilities of why teen could be on home from something very innocent to things that would not be.  But, I read that LE says person is not a suspect so I,m hoping for the best.  I'm just glad there is someone outside of a relative that saw Lisa in the hours before she disappeared.

I missed that part, so this teen actually saw the baby, and if so when...4 pm, 10 pm, that makes a difference IMO.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 08, 2011, 04:05:49 PM
It's not a teenager, it's an old guy (Beagley) whose mother lives two doors down from Lisa's home. He said he used to live next door to the Irwins.

Again, he may be lying and is just to feel important.

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa01.jpg)

He has another entry on lisairwinupdates.com in facebook, just talking about how good this family is.

-----

Now this picture, published by the UK Daily Mail:

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa02.jpg)

Doesn't it remind you of the Hormans? He cold and distant, she emotionally needy.

Just my sorryass opinion, sorry. Just it reminded me of them.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 08, 2011, 04:12:38 PM
It's not a teenager, it's an old guy (Beagley) whose mother lives two doors down from Lisa's home. He said he used to live next door to the Irwins.

Again, he may be lying and is just to feel important.

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa01.jpg)

He has another entry on lisairwinupdates.com in facebook, just talking about how good this family is.

-----

Now this picture, published by the UK Daily Mail:

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa02.jpg)

Doesn't it remind you of the Hormans? He cold and distant, she emotionally needy.

Just my sorryass opinion, sorry. Just it reminded me of them.


::rhino::
I see no feeling or emotion there at all.............awkward is all I see


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 08, 2011, 04:19:36 PM
Fox News tonight 9 PM EST Hour long special with Judge Jenine (?) on where is baby Lisa?
For those who do not have FOX News it may be available online at the FOX website after it airs.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: islandmonkey on October 08, 2011, 04:21:41 PM
It's not a teenager, it's an old guy (Beagley) whose mother lives two doors down from Lisa's home. He said he used to live next door to the Irwins.

Again, he may be lying and is just to feel important.

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa01.jpg)

He has another entry on lisairwinupdates.com in facebook, just talking about how good this family is.

-----

Now this picture, published by the UK Daily Mail:

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa02.jpg)

Doesn't it remind you of the Hormans? He cold and distant, she emotionally needy.

Just my sorryass opinion, sorry. Just it reminded me of them.


::rhino::
I see no feeling or emotion there at all.............awkward is all I see

ITA..I also don't see extreme emotion when she cries, when Eli died I cried so much I couldn't go out in public since I would have scared the He77 out of everyone, puffy eyes, snotty nose...but that's just my take on it, it does remind me of the Hormans wrt Jeremy's actions or lack of actions to her.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 08, 2011, 04:30:57 PM
Fox News tonight 9 PM EST Hour long special with Judge Jenine (?) on where is baby Lisa?
For those who do not have FOX News it may be available online at the FOX website after it airs.
You can also watch FOX on this link.I use it a lot.  ::rhino::
http://nowwatchtvlive.com/2011/07/foxnews-live-streaming-breaking-news-latest-news-current-news/


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: bebecat on October 08, 2011, 05:12:39 PM
That is not the first time I've seen someone see a similarity between this couple and the Hormans.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Pattianne on October 08, 2011, 05:40:47 PM
It's not a teenager, it's an old guy (Beagley) whose mother lives two doors down from Lisa's home. He said he used to live next door to the Irwins.

Again, he may be lying and is just to feel important.

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa01.jpg)

He has another entry on lisairwinupdates.com in facebook, just talking about how good this family is.

-----

Now this picture, published by the UK Daily Mail:

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa02.jpg)

Doesn't it remind you of the Hormans? He cold and distant, she emotionally needy.

Just my sorryass opinion, sorry. Just it reminded me of them.


::rhino::
I see no feeling or emotion there at all.............awkward is all I see

Posed is all I see.  These two are so insincere in my opinion.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 06:08:09 PM
Thank you all for tracking that down ; )..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 08, 2011, 06:33:13 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fbi-searches-missing-mo-baby-kan-landfill-14694823
Family of Missing Missouri Baby Setting up Reward
October 8, 2011

 ::snipping2::
Lisa's parents, Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley, reported their daughter missing early Tuesday. Their relationship with investigators chilled late Thursday, when police announced the parents were no longer talking to detectives. The parents quickly insisted they only needed a break from incessant police questioning.

On Saturday, police spoke with the couple on the phone but had not met with them in person, Kansas City police spokesman Capt. Steve Young said. He declined to comment on a broadcast report that a teenage neighbor had been questioned.

 ::snipping2::
Investigators said they have no solid leads or suspects despite an extensive search. Hundreds of local, state and federal agents spent days scouring the family's quiet northeast Kansas City neighborhood, nearby woods and a landfill. The landfill was searched for the second time Friday, but Young said it "didn't lead to anything."

The family announced Saturday they were organizing a reward, hoping it would lead to new information. A family spokesman also said Lisa's parents would be doing fewer media interviews so focus could stay on their daughter.
 ::snipping2::
Allen and Finkelhor said that with little to go on, it's natural for investigators to turn their focus to Bradley, who was the last person to see her little girl before she went missing.

Finkelhor noted that in some cases, parents have concocted stories about a kidnapping after accidentally killing their child instead of facing the tragedy.

"Sometimes what happens when the parent was involved, the death wasn't intentional but involved a kind of serious negligence," he said. "The responsible parent is so ashamed and maybe ashamed toward the spouse that they decide to dispose of the body and then report it as a missing child."

But Allen cautioned against jumping to conclusions, despite the long odds against a stranger abduction.

"Once the spotlight focuses on parental wrongdoing, the public perception is this is a murder. The focus goes away from the little girl and goes to the parent," he said. "That's why in these situations, police are doing exactly what they should do, pursuing every lead ... If Lisa is out there, we need to do whatever we can to find her."


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 08, 2011, 06:37:17 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/08/feds-scour-landfill-in-search-missing-missouri-baby/
Authorities Follow Leads in Case of Missing Missouri Baby, But No Suspects Yet
October 8, 2011

Authorities are looking into two new leads in the case of a missing 10-month-old Missouri girl, but there are not yet any definite suspects in the case.

A family spokesman said Saturday that Lisa Irwin's parents are working to establish a trust fund.
Spokesman Mike Lerette also says Lisa's parents will be giving fewer media interviews, because they want full attention on finding their daughter.
Authorities have taken a DNA sample from a teenage neighbor who also knew the pass code to her family’s garage, but was not named as a suspect in the case. ABC News also reported that a couple was spotted in California with a baby that looked like missing Lisa Irwin and that authorities were looking into the report.

The developments come just one day after FBI agents scoured a Kansas landfill for the second time this week. Agents and Kansas City police spent about two hours Friday at the Deffenbaugh Industries landfill in the suburb of Shawnee, FBI spokeswoman Bridget Patton said. She wouldn't discuss details but confirmed the activity was related to the search for Lisa Irwin, whose parents said was snatched from her crib in the middle of the night.

Patton said it was the second time the FBI had been at the landfill and it wasn't uncommon to search an area several times. Kansas City police spokesman Steve Young said Saturday the search "didn't lead to anything" and "the only thing that motivated that search was brainstorming of `What haven't we done yet?"'

Police also returned to the home of Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s parents, and used metal detectors to search the yard.
 ::snipping2::
Decades of statistics on infant abductions in the U.S. suggest one of the least likely scenarios in Lisa's disappearance is that a stranger broke into her home and took the child as her family slept.

But the numbers also lead national experts to believe that if the infant were snatched from her crib in the middle of the night, as her parents told investigators, she is likely still alive.

In an interview with Judge Jeanine Pirro to air Saturday night on Fox News, Lisa's parents said they didn't think of anyone in particular after they found out the baby was missing.

"It was just panic, panic. You don't think when something like that's happening. You don't think. your thoughts are everywhere. They're racing. Nothing makes sense in your head. You just -- it's like not real,. it's a dream. This is a nightmare," Deborah Bradley told Pirro.


 ::snipping2::







Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 07:46:15 PM
PeterAlexander Peter Alexander

#LisaIrwin parents meeting once again w/ #KansasCity PD detectives as we speak. #missingbaby

8 minutes ago
http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 07:51:37 PM
Article and Video..
Search for Lisa Irwin slows down...

KANSAS CITY, Missouri - Day five of the search for 10-month old Lisa Irwin started with her empty house in the 3600 block of North Lister, and no one searching for her.  A house, that for the past four days, has been surrounded by crime scene tape.

The crime scene tape is gone but yellow ribbons still adorn the home, to symbolize the family's hope of bringing baby Lisa home.

Kansas City police investigators called off the search of a wooded area near the home, and the search of a Johnson County landfill.  A change in course that makes Joseph Robinson think it's time for the community to take action.

Joseph Robinson stopped by the Irwin home on Saturday morning, to participate in a search.  He was surprised to learn that there were no organized searches underway.

"I just think as a community we need to come together and look for this baby," said Robinson

More than a decade ago, Robinson helped with the Precious Doe case, a girl who's dismembered body was found near 59th and Kensington in 2001. After her body was found, Robinson joined a team of volunteers who searched for child's head and found it days later.

continued..

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/search-for-lisa-irwin-comes-to-a-halt#ixzz1aElp7QsO


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 07:58:03 PM
I never heard of a garage door opening up without any sound as far as a teenager had the access code to the garage..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 08:02:51 PM
Police now interviewing parents of missing baby Lisa Irwin
By MARK MORRIS and EDWARD M. EVELD
The Kansas City Star 

Kansas City police confirmed Saturday evening that investigators were interviewing Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin about their missing daughter, 10-month-old Lisa Irwin.

Police spokesman Steve Young said police reached out to the parents Saturday to see if a “sit down” with the couple could happen. By 6 p.m., the interview was on.

It is the first time police have talked to both parents since Thursday, when police announced that the parents were no longer cooperating with investigators. A family member denied that, and Friday, Bradley and Irwin told national morning television shows that they were cooperating but that Irwin had simply asked for a break in questioning.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/08/3195138/police-now-interviewing-baby-lisa.html#ixzz1aEoYCOs7


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 08:11:17 PM

Kansas City 

Detectives questioning missing baby's parents.. Article and Video..

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

The parents of a missing 10-month-old baby are meeting with detectives, a Kansas City Police Department spokesman Steve Young said Saturday night.

"We think that's great," Young said. "We are sitting at the same table together now with the mother and father. No doubt about it, I think this is our best bet to help find this child."

This is the first time that Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, the parents of Lisa Irwin, have met with detectives since Thursday evening.

The questioning comes as detectives are again searching for clues at the family's Northland home.

A CSI van arrived at the Northland home after 5 p.m. Saturday. Detectives are again using metal detectors in the baby's yard. Young said this was not in response to a specific tip.

The police department has received more than 250 tips, but none of the tips have led to anything "good," Young said.

Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin had agreed to conduct a 10 a.m. interview Saturday with KCTV5 about the disappearance of their daughter, Lisa Irwin.

The interview was abruptly canceled because the parents had agreed to meet with detectives to talk about the disappearance of baby Lisa, a family spokesman told KCTV5.

continued..

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing-babys-parents


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 08:27:08 PM
Statistics: Mo. baby unlikely taken by stranger
BILL DRAPER, Associated Press

 ::snipping2::

Strangers who kidnap infants or young children, though rare, often do so because they want a child of their own, not because they intend to hurt or kill the child, said David Finkelhor, director of the Crimes Against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire.

"The recovery rate for infants is very, very high. There is real hope here," added Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children in Arlington, Va.

But the experts acknowledge that investigators often focus on close relatives when a baby goes missing, in part because statistics show that far more infants and young children are killed by a parent than a stranger.

"Suspicion almost always falls heavily on the parents, especially when it's young kids," Finkelhor said. "Fifteen hundred parents kill their kids every year, and that's heavily focused on the under 1 year of age category."

Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Statistics-Mo-baby-unlikely-taken-by-stranger-2208819.php#ixzz1aEuoB04q






Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Statistics-Mo-baby-unlikely-taken-by-stranger-2208819.php#ixzz1aEudLdPx


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 08:35:18 PM
Article and Video..

Missing Baby Lisa: Parents Once Again Cooperating With Investigation, Police Say.

On Friday, investigators questioned a teenage neighbor of Lisa's parents and forensic experts took a DNA sample, a source told ABC News. That neighbor apparently was at the home the day Lisa vanished and knew the access code to the family's garage.

Investigators are also looking into reports from the West Coast, where a couple was seen with a small child fitting Lisa's description, relative Mike Lerette told ABC affiliate KMBC-TV.

"They're pursuing surveillance tape on a couple with the baby in California," said Lerette.

FBI special agent and ABC News consultant Brad Garrett said the first of those leads is a more feasible possibility than the second from California.

"I can tell you based on experience of working high-profile abductions that you get leads from literally all over the world. Is that possible? Of course it's possible. Is it likely? I don't think so," Garrett said. "I think this situation is probably going to stay within the Kansas City area."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-cooperating-investigation-police/story?id=14695496


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 08:57:20 PM
JudgeJeanine Jeanine Pirro
20 minutes to showtime! Special edition of Justice: Where's Baby Lisa? Fox News 9pm ET. #justice

http://twitter.com/#!/JudgeJeanine (http://twitter.com/#!/JudgeJeanine)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 09:07:23 PM
Where's Baby Lisa?

another video where dad is showing no emotion while mom cries...

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1207459722001/wheres-baby-lisa/?playlist_id=87485



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 09:11:06 PM
(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/jeremyanddeborah.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 09:16:27 PM
Looks like dad has his suspicions..JMO

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Deborah.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 09:40:29 PM
On Judge Jeanine Police are looking on the roof and gutters..

Husband used his work phone to call 911..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 08, 2011, 09:41:39 PM
Why are the two older boys still up at 10:30 on a school night?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 09:45:35 PM
Why are the two older boys still up at 10:30 on a school night?

I think I heard them say Deborah son slept in her room in the same bed with Deborah.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 09:47:05 PM
Thank you JerseyGirl for all the updates!

From the way LE is investigating it seems like LE believes mom never left the house during the time period Lisa went missing?  I mean they just keep searching the house and around it like she never drove anywhere??  I wonder if she did not have access to a car or neighbors reported as being home?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 09:53:51 PM
Thank you JerseyGirl for all the updates!

From the way LE is investigating it seems like LE believes mom never left the house during the time period Lisa went missing?  I mean they just keep searching the house and around it like she never drove anywhere??  I wonder if she did not have access to a car or neighbors reported as being home?

i dont know.. But it is strange they keep checking the home like they are looking for something and metal detector.... the ground..the roof the gutters.. I hope they check the chimney pipe..  Maybe looking for phones..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 09:57:19 PM
They have a dog a lab mix.... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 09:58:32 PM
The dog sleeps in the back yard..  ::MonkeyEek::No barking... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 08, 2011, 10:04:09 PM
Looks like dad has his suspicions..JMO

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Deborah.jpg)
That is what I have thought since the beginning, that he is sticking around for any info he might glean.  I find her crying to be suspect, she has to squeeze her eyes tight to get the tears out. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 08, 2011, 10:17:44 PM
OT somewhat but strange things do happen, A woman in Milwaukee, WI was just found dead and her baby cut from her womb. Both have died, suspect in custody.

http://www.wisn.com/news/29426516/detail.html?source=mil  (http://www.wisn.com/news/29426516/detail.html?source=mil)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 08, 2011, 10:19:38 PM
Why are the two older boys still up at 10:30 on a school night?

I think I heard them say Deborah son slept in her room in the same bed with Deborah.
Yes, but at the beginning of the show she said something about the kids watching a video with the neighbor till 10 or 10:30. I will have to catch the replay to confirm again what I heard.....or thought I heard, lol


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 10:30:19 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/?watchId=12f29f7d-61f2-4f96-90cb-4994b922f830

New todays presser with LE spokesman Young.  You can hear the neighbors german shepherd barking in the background a couple times.  Metal detectors going in the frontyard behind him and canvassing of neighbors.

Check out the neighbors --- house on left has a couple of teens - and guy sitting on the front steps with his head hanging down in his hands while mom and younger female talking to detectives?? 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 10:31:42 PM
OT somewhat but strange things do happen, A woman in Milwaukee, WI was just found dead and her baby cut from her womb. Both have died, suspect in custody.

http://www.wisn.com/news/29426516/detail.html?source=mil  (http://www.wisn.com/news/29426516/detail.html?source=mil)

That's awful!   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 10:32:39 PM
OT somewhat but strange things do happen, A woman in Milwaukee, WI was just found dead and her baby cut from her womb. Both have died, suspect in custody.

http://www.wisn.com/news/29426516/detail.html?source=mil  (http://www.wisn.com/news/29426516/detail.html?source=mil)

Ugggg..What a Heartbreaking story..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 08, 2011, 10:41:32 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/?watchId=12f29f7d-61f2-4f96-90cb-4994b922f830

New todays presser with LE spokesman Young.  You can hear the neighbors german shepherd barking in the background a couple times.  Metal detectors going in the frontyard behind him and canvassing of neighbors.

Check out the neighbors --- house on left has a couple of teens - and guy sitting on the front steps with his head hanging down in his hands while mom and younger female talking to detectives?? 

I read somewhere the neighbor has a German Shepard.. I wonder if he was barkless that night too..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 10:42:49 PM
Deborah Bradley Netz still legally married to ex?  Ah ha now we know why they are only engaged.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-bradleys-family-talks-about-past-20111008,0,1316565.story


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 11:16:27 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/?watchId=12f29f7d-61f2-4f96-90cb-4994b922f830

New todays presser with LE spokesman Young.  You can hear the neighbors german shepherd barking in the background a couple times.  Metal detectors going in the frontyard behind him and canvassing of neighbors.

Check out the neighbors --- house on left has a couple of teens - and guy sitting on the front steps with his head hanging down in his hands while mom and younger female talking to detectives?? 

I read somewhere the neighbor has a German Shepard.. I wonder if he was barkless that night too..

You can bet he barked that night too but did anyone hear him?  I've grown immune to the regular barkers in my hood of about 300 houses, we have so many.  If the dog barks his  head off 24/7 it becomes a white noise after awhile imo.  I only notice them if they really go bonkers now or the close non-barker barks.  So glad my chow mix rarely barks.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 08, 2011, 11:29:29 PM
According to the Judge Janine Pirro Interview there are a few details coming up.

1. The father called 911 from his work phone, which he had in his pocket.

2. The family has a dog which is kept in the backyard, but didn't bark much that night.

3. The father provided a list of persons who he suspected, that included people who had miscarriages, people divorcing, having affairs, etc..

According to Fox news, the police is back at the home searching, and the search includes the roof and shingles.

The parents are at the police station answering questions. No mention of lawyer with them.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: TnMuse on October 08, 2011, 11:38:34 PM
Go to case.net to look up Missouri court records.  Under Jeremy L. Irwin there is a case about paternity with a former girlfriend.  I think the former girlfriend once lived in that house.  So I'm thinking that the one boy belongs to Jeremy.

I looked this stuff up, and I'm not sure I can read it right but what I see is:

1. 
05/31/2005  JEREMY L IRWIN, Plaintiff against RASLEEN RAIM , Defendant   
appears to be a custody hearing wrt BLAKE IRWIN Case was won by Jeremy.
 
2. 
07/17/2008  Jeremy sues Rasleen for child support,
they both file competing temporary custody motions,
10/21/2009  Jeremy requests the case be dismissed
Does Rasleen have Blake now?  He wasn't at the house...only Deborah's 2 older boys.

3. 
09/23/2010  City sues Jeremy for back taxes.  Does not appear to be paid, so maybe he has financial difficulties?

Is it at all possible that Jeremy's ex has hard feelings about him becoming a new father again?  The phones might also be of interest to a person angry with their ex.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: TnMuse on October 08, 2011, 11:46:38 PM
Deborah Bradley Netz still legally married to ex?  Ah ha now we know why they are only engaged.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-bradleys-family-talks-about-past-20111008,0,1316565.story

Oh wow!...so I was wrong on my post thinking both older boys were Debbie's kids...Jeremy DOES have Blake. Still...that might even be more reason for HIS ex to have hard feelings...or HERS?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 08, 2011, 11:59:32 PM
If LE is not finding anything around the house I guess mom had help otherwise what the heck did she do?  I wish we knew if she ever left the house.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 09, 2011, 12:00:29 AM
Deborah Bradley Netz still legally married to ex?  Ah ha now we know why they are only engaged.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-bradleys-family-talks-about-past-20111008,0,1316565.story

Oh wow!...so I was wrong on my post thinking both older boys were Debbie's kids...Jeremy DOES have Blake. Still...that might even be more reason for HIS ex to have hard feelings...or HERS?

The reporter said he spoke or had info on Jeremy's ex also and there should be another video on her tonight.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 09, 2011, 12:03:48 AM
According to the Judge Janine Pirro Interview there are a few details coming up.

1. The father called 911 from his work phone, which he had in his pocket.

2. The family has a dog which is kept in the backyard, but didn't bark much that night.

3. The father provided a list of persons who he suspected, that included people who had miscarriages, people divorcing, having affairs, etc..

According to Fox news, the police is back at the home searching, and the search includes the roof and shingles.

The parents are at the police station answering questions. No mention of lawyer with them.



No mention of a crawl space.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: TnMuse on October 09, 2011, 12:32:21 AM
Deborah Bradley Netz still legally married to ex?  Ah ha now we know why they are only engaged.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-bradleys-family-talks-about-past-20111008,0,1316565.story

Oh wow!...so I was wrong on my post thinking both older boys were Debbie's kids...Jeremy DOES have Blake. Still...that might even be more reason for HIS ex to have hard feelings...or HERS?

The reporter said he spoke or had info on Jeremy's ex also and there should be another video on her tonight.

That should be interesting.  The only reason I look for alternatives to the Mother doing something is because she seemed to cry from deep inside, like she was devastated...but other people have told me that some people are expert at fooling people, so I'm beginning to doubt my own judgment.  I really think Jeremy is weird though.  He seems SO unemotional, so detached from everything going on...could be suspicion, could be guilt?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 09, 2011, 12:33:56 AM
Deborah Bradley Netz still legally married to ex?  Ah ha now we know why they are only engaged.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-bradleys-family-talks-about-past-20111008,0,1316565.story
Wow, thanks. So Sean/Shawn Bradley is the father of the 6 year old and is in the army. Debbie and he are still legally married, high school sweet hearts......more at 10


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 12:48:51 AM
Searchers comb property for missing baby Lisa Irwin
By MARK MORRIS and EDWARD M. EVELD
The Kansas City Star


Crime scene investigators continued searching after dark Saturday inside and outside the home of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin, and her parents sat down with detectives Saturday for the first time since Thursday.

But Capt. Steve Young, a police spokesman, said that after looking into the best of 250 tips, police could report no breaks in the case.

“Unfortunately, none of them have led to anything good,” he said.

Detectives met with Lisa’s parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, late Saturday afternoon, a development that Young said was crucial.

“It’s the best thing for everybody in trying to find this child,” Young said. “We couldn’t be happier about it.”

The couple also consented to additional searches at the house, he said.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/08/3195138/police-now-interviewing-baby-lisa.html#ixzz1aFySlaIQ


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Fanta on October 09, 2011, 03:16:16 AM
Hello All - I just joined and I really just take my hat off to all of you - great stuff!

I've got a question - I've been looking through this link and the internet (of course) - Do we have a copy of the 911 call made by Jeremy/Deborah?  The 911 posted here isn't the one I was hoping to see, just sayin.  *wink*

Thanks!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 09, 2011, 08:18:07 AM
Welcome to Scared Monkeys Fanta!!    ::piggy::

The 911 calls that are posted in this thread are the only ones I've seen. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 09, 2011, 08:46:35 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-talk-police-reward-fund/story?id=14698959
Missing Baby Lisa: Parents Talk to Police, Reward Fund Set Up
By CLAYTON SANDELL (@Clayton_Sandell) and CHRISTINA NG
Oct. 9, 2011


A reward fund is being set up in hopes of generating new leads in the disppearance of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin while her parents are cooperating again with investigators, officials said.

Kansas City, Mo., police captain Steve Young announced Saturday that Lisa's parents Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley, are now talking to police.

"They're talking with us and that is absolutely the best thing," Young said.

Young said the parents are important because no one knows more about the case.

"Something may jog their memory, you never know. They may think of another person or whatever. Their involvement in this investigation is critical," Young said.
 ::snipping2::
Video at link.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Fanta on October 09, 2011, 08:47:22 AM
Welcome to Scared Monkeys Fanta!!    ::piggy::

The 911 calls that are posted in this thread are the only ones I've seen. 
Thank you!  It's great to be here, utterly lovely!  So sorry under these circumstances, but, there ya go.

Now about the 911 call.  Thank you, but, the problem is the 911 call posted here?  I don't think that's the 911 call from Lisa...  Unless I'm utterly confused.  Check and see what you think.

Thank you again! :)



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 09, 2011, 08:47:29 AM
Welcome to Scared Monkeys Fanta!  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 09, 2011, 08:52:34 AM
Welcome to Scared Monkeys Fanta!!    ::piggy::

The 911 calls that are posted in this thread are the only ones I've seen. 
Thank you!  It's great to be here, utterly lovely!  So sorry under these circumstances, but, there ya go.

Now about the 911 call.  Thank you, but, the problem is the 911 call posted here?  I don't think that's the 911 call from Lisa...  Unless I'm utterly confused.  Check and see what you think.

Thank you again! :)




It would appear the calls were made by Jeremy according to this:

According to the Judge Janine Pirro Interview there are a few details coming up.

1. The father called 911 from his work phone, which he had in his pocket.

2. The family has a dog which is kept in the backyard, but didn't bark much that night.

3. The father provided a list of persons who he suspected, that included people who had miscarriages, people divorcing, having affairs, etc..

According to Fox news, the police is back at the home searching, and the search includes the roof and shingles.

The parents are at the police station answering questions. No mention of lawyer with them.




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: supersleuth99 on October 09, 2011, 09:05:51 AM
Take a look at Statement analysis this morning.
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wbaw0724 on October 09, 2011, 09:36:40 AM
Nothing new this morning, but IMO the media has just killed this case for me, misleading headlines, I think the media should print only the truths.  Last night big headline lisa's mother has checkered past, the big news she was still married to her husband, not lisa dad. Fox breaking news, mother failed lie detector test, and phone call, no one in LE will confirm it. Oh and then the parents where having family day yesterday reported by KMBC, dont think thats what they meant say or the reporter choose those words..........people took them having"family day"as having ice cream and cake................you can go on on..........I am still on the fence on this one, alot of things don't seem to fit................but it could have been the "perfect storm"


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Fanta on October 09, 2011, 10:15:06 AM
It may not seem much to others - but - in one of the first interviews, when the amber alert was still in effect?  Lisa's mother said the '"Please. Bring her home. Our two other boys are waiting for her."   Our two 'other' boys, like little Lisa is a boy.  I'll tell ya when I heard her say that it just made me spin in place.  :(



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 10:15:52 AM
Posted on Sun, Oct. 09, 2011

By MARK MORRIS and EDWARD M. EVELD
The Kansas City Star

Crime scene investigators continued searching after dark Saturday inside and outside the home of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin, and her parents sat down with detectives Saturday for the first time since Thursday.

But Capt. Steve Young, a police spokesman, said that after looking into the best of 250 tips, police could report no breaks in the case.

"Unfortunately, none of them have led to anything good," he said.

 ::snipping2::

Just before 6 p.m. Saturday, investigators used metal detectors to scan the front and back yards of the home in the 3600 block of North Lister Avenue. Police continued their search through the evening, including calling for a fire department ladder so they could check the house's gutters and roof vents.

 ::snipping2::

LeRette sought to ease any apparent tensions that may have existed between Bradley, father Jeremy Irwin and police. The family is not unhappy with the police investigation and continues to pass along its leads and ideas, LeRette said, adding that Irwin spoke with police and the FBI a couple of times Friday.

"We don't get any feedback, but we're not dissatisfied," LeRette said. "We're in the dark like everyone else."

LeRette said lawyers are now working with the family to set up a trust fund for donations for a reward fund.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/10/09/2054762/missing-girls-parents-talk-with.html#ixzz1aIHPskuD


Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/10/09/2054762/missing-girls-parents-talk-with.html#ixzz1aIHD5SCd


Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/10/09/2054762/missing-girls-parents-talk-with.html#ixzz1aIH1yJuZ


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 09, 2011, 10:23:31 AM
Hello All - I just joined and I really just take my hat off to all of you - great stuff!

I've got a question - I've been looking through this link and the internet (of course) - Do we have a copy of the 911 call made by Jeremy/Deborah?  The 911 posted here isn't the one I was hoping to see, just sayin.  *wink*

Thanks!

Welcome Fanta!  I thought the 911 call was made by the dad from his cellphone which was the last I read yesterday.  


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 09, 2011, 10:25:30 AM
Nothing new this morning, but IMO the media has just killed this case for me, misleading headlines, I think the media should print only the truths.  Last night big headline lisa's mother has checkered past, the big news she was still married to her husband, not lisa dad. Fox breaking news, mother failed lie detector test, and phone call, no one in LE will confirm it. Oh and then the parents where having family day yesterday reported by KMBC, dont think thats what they meant say or the reporter choose those words..........people took them having"family day"as having ice cream and cake................you can go on on..........I am still on the fence on this one, alot of things don't seem to fit................but it could have been the "perfect storm"

Media miss words and exaggerates in all the cases.  You can't trust the media that's why it's best to get info from as many sources as possible and evaluate from there.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 09, 2011, 11:06:31 AM
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1208764392001/exclusive-parents-of-missing-baby-lisa-speak-out/?playlist_id=87485
Exclusive: Parents of Missing Baby Lisa Speak Out
Oct 9, 2011- 4:08 -
Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin sit down with Judge Jeanine Pirro

Video at link.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 09, 2011, 11:34:37 AM
Good morning Monkey's,

I saw the Judge's show last night, I think she is tops!

This is what bugs me...Mom shows no concern if Lisa is fed (hungary), bathed, diapered or cold...

I am not going to judge Mom, seems more than ODD, that she is self concerned, and not focused with the well-being of her baby.  IMO


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 09, 2011, 11:38:02 AM
Why are the two older boys still up at 10:30 on a school night?

I think I heard them say Deborah son slept in her room in the same bed with Deborah.
Yes, but at the beginning of the show she said something about the kids watching a video with the neighbor till 10 or 10:30. I will have to catch the replay to confirm again what I heard.....or thought I heard, lol

????  Hope it's not the neighbors to the left of Lisa's house.  I did not see anyone I would allow my young children sit and watch a video with at that location.  

I missed the judge interview trying to catch the full episode today...it appeared to have alot of info from the parents on it.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 09, 2011, 11:40:31 AM
From Judge video.

ok mom was talking with neighbor Maria while children watched fairytale video with neighbors 4 yr old daughter in her room?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 09, 2011, 11:53:49 AM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44822166/ns/today-today_news/t/parents-missing-baby-resume-talking-police/#.TpHCLrKVqT8
Oct. 9,2011
After spending hours searching on Saturday, officials pulled at least one bag of evidence from the property where a 10-month-old Missouri girl vanished five days ago. NBC's Jay Gray reports

Video at link.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 09, 2011, 11:57:30 AM
From Judge video.

ok mom was talking with neighbor Maria while children watched fairytale video with neighbors 4 yr old daughter in her room?

_______________________________________________________________________

this took place at Irwin's home, video watched in Irwin's boys room while mom's sat outside in front talking.

lisa put to bed first, than boys, everyone down by 10:30 according to mom.
Mom typically locks door but cannot recall this particular night?
first time ever dad worked night-dad typically comes home at 5pm from work, never works nights/overnight.
Mom says she left computer room open...corner of screen in computer room popped out - I am guessing easily visible from front exterior of home for dad to notice?
Dad checked mom, quizzed her on popped screen, than went to check Lisa who's door was open and they never leave it open.

Was that it or is there more? That's all I got from the 4 minute clip.





Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 09, 2011, 11:58:19 AM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwin%27s-reveal-new-details-about-night-baby-went-missing-
Lisa Irwin's parents reveal new details about night baby went missing
Posted: 10:56 PM
Last Updated: 6 minutes ago
    By: Amy Hawley By: Amy Hawley

(http://media2.nbcactionnews.com//photo/2011/10/08/5_days_in_no_sign_of_L9161f09f-093c-421f-800f-dab42739a4300000_20111008111358_320_240.JPG)



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 09, 2011, 12:27:19 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44822166/ns/today-today_news/t/parents-missing-baby-resume-talking-police/#.TpHCLrKVqT8
Oct. 9,2011
After spending hours searching on Saturday, officials pulled at least one bag of evidence from the property where a 10-month-old Missouri girl vanished five days ago. NBC's Jay Gray reports

Video at link.

now they dust the front door and check the roof as JerseyGirl said?!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 09, 2011, 12:42:00 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/mom-of-baby-lisa-irwin-admits-she-failed-a-polygraph-test--during-talks-with-kcpd-

polygraph video at link.

snipped:

   
NBC Action News wanted to know more about these tests and how they work so we spoke to several experts.

Alan Jennerich worked with the FBI for 25 years. He now administers polygraph tests.

He says there are different test formats that can be given. Some focus on one issue, some three or four, but they all measure the same thing how your body reacts.

“Just if you were out there running and you were running and you were all sweaty and your heart is racing and I order you to stop that you can’t stop it, it's your nervous system it's nothing you can control,” explained Jennerich.

Jennerich said the test measures your sweat, your breathing and your blood pressure.

“What makes the polygraph so accurate is there is a huge what I call a donut hole...one side of the hole is passing and one is failing and there is a big hole that is inconclusive and that is what makes it so accurate is the inconclusive area is very large. If you fail one relevant question, you fail all of the questions because the person is going to focus on what's bothering them the most,” said Jennerich.

He said it’s a science he believes in, but admits it’s not 100 percent accurate.

So when Mom Deborah Bradley said she failed, “If she passed it she didn't do it. She wasn't involved. The fact that she failed it doesn't mean that she is involved either it's just a tool for the police to go by along with the many other factors,” said Jennerich.

He said it should be looked at as tool.





Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 12:54:57 PM
KANSAS CITY, Missouri (CNN) -- Kansas City police said Saturday that they are glad the parents of a missing 10-month-old Missouri girl have resumed conversations with them.

"We couldn't be happier about it," police Capt. Steve Young said. "Their involvement in this investigation is critical."

A meeting was held Saturday evening.

Investigators have searched about 300 homes and apartments in the area around the home. Lisa Irwin hasn't been seen since Monday night.

Federal authorities joined police in the search effort this week -- which included an inspection of a landfill and a nearby creek -- speaking with neighbors and sweeping the area with metal detectors. Police said they have no suspects or solid leads.

Michael Lerette, a family spokesman for the parents of the missing infant, said police collected what could be forensic evidence in the case, but authorities have declined to comment on that claim.


continued..
http://www.kpax.com/news/missing-mo-girl-s-parents-resume-talks-with-police/


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 09, 2011, 12:59:06 PM
I was gleaning and JQ mentioned a few searches:


http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1002139#post1002139


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 01:26:48 PM
View of the backyard...

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/backofirwinHome.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 09, 2011, 01:33:05 PM
View of the backyard...

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/backofirwinHome.jpg)


A few more photos:
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58252&page=8


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 01:34:07 PM
From the backview  of this home looks like a front to back split level home..
In NJ the Front to Back Split looks like a rancher from the front but is actually 2 levels.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 09, 2011, 01:41:37 PM
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg640/scaled.php?tn=0&server=640&filename=6sxqsm.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)

http://twitter.com/#!/kshbphotog (http://twitter.com/#!/kshbphotog)

kshbphotog Brandon Billinger
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@BunnyNC I hear that the room is the computer room.
14 minutes ago
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Detectives appear to see if someone could have climbed through the window in #LisaIrwin home. @NBCActionNews yfrog.com/nxlagaej
16 minutes ago
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@BunnyNC @nbcactionnews they have been pushing the screen Ono the house almost trying to recreate why happened
21 minutes ago
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Detectives are now messing the window screens on the side of #LisaIrwin's home. @NBCActionNews
28 minutes ago
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Police detectives taking video of the outside of #LisaIrwin's home. @NBCActionNews yfrog.com/hs6sxqsmj
35 minutes ago
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@CaseSignal it's my normal day to work!
35 minutes ago
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@CaseSignal I honestly have no idea. Detectives aren't talking to us.
52 minutes ago
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It appears as though police detectives are searching #lisairwin's home again. @NBCActionNews @todayshow
1 hour ago
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Police are back out at #lisairwins home. Odd that they have their flashing lights on. @nbcactionnews
1 hour ago
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Very interesting to hear what people at the local Wendy's about baby Lisa. Sure they are loving all the business from the tv crews!
1 hour ago


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 01:52:51 PM
In  older homes  built in the late 50's early 60's the screens were put on and inserted into a track and a metal clip pushed over to lock and keep in place.. I wonder why the screen wasn't cut vs trying to put the screen in.. I think this is why the screen was bent trying to break in.. Would of been alot easier , less noise and less time consuming to just cut the screen.
Still interesting that it was a front window facing the street..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wbaw0724 on October 09, 2011, 01:56:45 PM
http://yfrog.com/nxlagaej

maybe they are having second thoughts of the window being the point of entry.............


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 02:03:52 PM
http://yfrog.com/nxlagaej

maybe they are having second thoughts of the window being the point of entry.............

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/windowview.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 09, 2011, 02:05:48 PM
In  older homes  built in the late 50's early 60's the screens were put on and inserted into a track and a metal clip pushed over to lock and keep in place.. I wonder why the screen wasn't cut vs trying to put the screen in.. I think this is why the screen was bent trying to break in.. Would of been alot easier , less noise and less time consuming to just cut the screen.
Still interesting that it was a front window facing the street..

I have bent many a screen in my life trying to get into my house (when I was a kid).  They were easy to bend.  Also the old louver windows were easy to remove and get into the house that way. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 02:08:54 PM
In  older homes  built in the late 50's early 60's the screens were put on and inserted into a track and a metal clip pushed over to lock and keep in place.. I wonder why the screen wasn't cut vs trying to put the screen in.. I think this is why the screen was bent trying to break in.. Would of been alot easier , less noise and less time consuming to just cut the screen.
Still interesting that it was a front window facing the street..

I have bent many a screen in my life trying to get into my house (when I was a kid).  They were easy to bend.  Also the old louver windows were easy to remove and get into the house that way. 

I know what you mean Klaas..  My kids bend many of my screens trying to get in because they lost their key..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 02:12:23 PM
Just Thinking Outloud..

I wonder if neighbors notice the screen before if it looked bent before and if LE  can tell
if this was an old issue with the screen rather than a new incident with bent window..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 02:13:07 PM
Just Thinking Outloud..

I wonder if neighbors notice the screen before if it looked bent before and if LE  can tell
if this was an old issue with the screen rather than a new incident with bent window.. screen.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 09, 2011, 02:14:16 PM
Sure looks to me like someone could fit thru that window...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 09, 2011, 02:15:38 PM
I read on JQ (unconfirmed) that little blue bins (recycle things) were removed from the front of the house.
Trying not to over-do on pasting their link :)   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 09, 2011, 02:17:03 PM
Just Thinking Outloud..

I wonder if neighbors notice the screen before if it looked bent before and if LE  can tell
if this was an old issue with the screen rather than a new incident with bent window.. screen.

also you'd think mom might of noticed a corner popped out the night before while she was out there with the neighbor mom?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 09, 2011, 02:18:57 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/detectives-back-at-irwin-home%2C-recreating-abduction (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/detectives-back-at-irwin-home%2C-recreating-abduction)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 09, 2011, 02:19:27 PM
Can anyone tell what the detective is standing on to get in the window?



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 02:21:54 PM
Just Thinking Outloud..

I wonder if neighbors notice the screen before if it looked bent before and if LE  can tell
if this was an old issue with the screen rather than a new incident with bent window.. screen.

also you'd think mom might of noticed a corner popped out the night before while she was out there with the neighbor mom?

IDK fatcatlurker..

Mom might not be so truthful if this was an old issue with the screen.. Still wondering why it took a couple of days coming out regarding the cells phones being stolen..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 02:24:52 PM
Can anyone tell what the detective is standing on to get in the window?



I had those size of windows before and you can get inside and outside climbing through..
When I sold my home it was not consider a fire issue because you could get out
from the windows..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 02:29:43 PM
http://yfrog.com/nxlagaej

maybe they are having second thoughts of the window being the point of entry.............

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/windowview.jpg)

I notice the front light by the front door.. Was the light on that evening?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 09, 2011, 02:39:29 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/detectives-back-at-irwin-home%2C-recreating-abduction (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/detectives-back-at-irwin-home%2C-recreating-abduction)

 ::snipping2::

Kansas City, Kan., at the Kansas Speedway, flyers were being given out by Irwin’s aunt, Ashley Irwin. T-shirts were also being sold for $15. The money from the shirts is supposed to go to a reward fund, which has not been officially set up yet.

 ::snipping2::





Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/detectives-back-at-irwin-home%2C-recreating-abduction#ixzz1aJLN9oWl


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wbaw0724 on October 09, 2011, 02:39:55 PM
Are we allowed to give our opinion on what we thought happened that night?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 09, 2011, 02:42:27 PM
Just Thinking Outloud..

I wonder if neighbors notice the screen before if it looked bent before and if LE  can tell
if this was an old issue with the screen rather than a new incident with bent window.. screen.

also you'd think mom might of noticed a corner popped out the night before while she was out there with the neighbor mom?

IDK fatcatlurker..

Mom might not be so truthful if this was an old issue with the screen.. Still wondering why it took a couple of days coming out regarding the cells phones being stolen..

waiting for the cell phones to be used? 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 09, 2011, 02:45:02 PM
Are we allowed to give our opinion on what we thought happened that night?

Yes as far as I know...let's have it.  I as usual have more than a few....covering both sides of the fence.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 09, 2011, 02:49:14 PM
Just Thinking Outloud..

I wonder if neighbors notice the screen before if it looked bent before and if LE  can tell
if this was an old issue with the screen rather than a new incident with bent window.. screen.

also you'd think mom might of noticed a corner popped out the night before while she was out there with the neighbor mom?

IDK fatcatlurker..

Mom might not be so truthful if this was an old issue with the screen.. Still wondering why it took a couple of days coming out regarding the cells phones being stolen..

waiting for the cell phones to be used? 

good point.  Because LE stated they knew about them from parents "that day" whatever that means.  They do not have Kelsey's law which could of gotten the phone info asap so I guess they should have it soon - atleast I hope.

They have dad's work cellphone right?  So they should have any info on that already imo.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: doselady51 on October 09, 2011, 02:57:23 PM
Are we allowed to give our opinion on what we thought happened that night?

Yes as far as I know...let's have it.  I as usual have more than a few....covering both sides of the fence.
Okay, I have a question that possibly has already been answered, but I cannot find it in any articles or interviews that I have reviewed.  Is the neighbor teenager that was interviewed male or female?  Was this teenager a sometimes babysitter?  thanks in advance for your assistance.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Pattianne on October 09, 2011, 03:00:07 PM
Are we allowed to give our opinion on what we thought happened that night?

I'd be interested. 

I don't have a 100% conclusion yet but there are two things I do know.

1.  Mom is crying crocodile tears. and...
2.  Dad is acting totally bizarre.

So my conclusion so far has to be if the two main people are acting this way - something is wrong here.  I know people all grieve in different ways but the mom seems to cry on cue but it can change in a flash when she is defending herself.  And the fiance might as well be hung on the wall as a stuffed trophy for all the emotion he gives for both his daughter and his fiance.  He can't even find the wherewithal to comfort the mom. 
   


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 09, 2011, 03:05:31 PM
Are we allowed to give our opinion on what we thought happened that night?

I'd be interested. 

I don't have a 100% conclusion yet but there are two things I do know.

1.  Mom is crying crocodile tears. and...
2.  Dad is acting totally bizarre.

So my conclusion so far has to be if the two main people are acting this way - something is wrong here.  I know people all grieve in different ways but the mom seems to cry on cue but it can change in a flash when she is defending herself.  And the fiance might as well be hung on the wall as a stuffed trophy for all the emotion he gives for both his daughter and his fiance.  He can't even find the wherewithal to comfort the mom. 
   

If someone took a pair of my shoes, I would be upset.  If someone took a baby of mine, I would be extremely mad, why is it
Dad and Mom are not angry?  Is that a fair question?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 09, 2011, 03:11:45 PM
Are we allowed to give our opinion on what we thought happened that night?

Yes as far as I know...let's have it.  I as usual have more than a few....covering both sides of the fence.
Okay, I have a question that possibly has already been answered, but I cannot find it in any articles or interviews that I have reviewed.  Is the neighbor teenager that was interviewed male or female?  Was this teenager a sometimes babysitter?  thanks in advance for your assistance.

Nothing I've read yet indicates sex of teen.  Nothing about babysitting noted either; just noted that they knew the codes to the garage door I think and I believe LE spokesman Young said that was put out by the family atleast I think that is what he said on last nights presser?  

Of course I have come to the theory that LE spokesman Young is only here to answer strict questions that the lead detectives intentionally want out there for public consumption/thought.  aka doing his job imo.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 09, 2011, 03:22:10 PM
Is there another window on the side of the building? IF that is a window, and I were a baby snatcher, I would've rather used the one on the side because it's almost invisible to other neighbors and the road after dark, unless someone knew that the computer room is an easier way to get in than the side window.

Regardless... if the screen was just a little bit bent... would it make sense that someone came in through that window and later on put the screen halfway back, but left the lights on, front door open... etc... ?

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa03.jpg)

-------

If the family is guilty of harming Lisa, they should be tried and convicted. But... I hope their rights are protected, as I see how the Sheriff's department is most possibly using the "cooperation" thing to build a case against the parents. All the searches and interrogations, hopefully are not UNREASONABLE. So far there has only been a rumor of advice by a lawyer, but no word if there is one with them at their new "interviews."

Just saying.





Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: mizjay on October 09, 2011, 03:23:34 PM
Are we allowed to give our opinion on what we thought happened that night?

I'd be interested. 

I don't have a 100% conclusion yet but there are two things I do know.

1.  Mom is crying crocodile tears. and...
2.  Dad is acting totally bizarre.

So my conclusion so far has to be if the two main people are acting this way - something is wrong here.  I know people all grieve in different ways but the mom seems to cry on cue but it can change in a flash when she is defending herself.  And the fiance might as well be hung on the wall as a stuffed trophy for all the emotion he gives for both his daughter and his fiance.  He can't even find the wherewithal to comfort the mom. 
   

If someone took a pair of my shoes, I would be upset.  If someone took a baby of mine, I would be extremely mad, why is it
Dad and Mom are not angry?  Is that a fair question?

here's another  'is it a fair question'.
In this interview @ http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/inside-baby-lisas-home-14693905?tab=9482931&section=1206833   Mom makes a plea to bring "baby Lisa" back. On the surface that sounds okay IF you normally called the baby, baby lisa.  If the family usually never referred to her that way, doesn't it seem like mom has started adopting a media type of wording?
I don't know if that makes a lick of sense to anybody but me.. ::MonkeyEek::     


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 09, 2011, 03:30:28 PM
Are we allowed to give our opinion on what we thought happened that night?

I'd be interested. 

I don't have a 100% conclusion yet but there are two things I do know.

1.  Mom is crying crocodile tears. and...
2.  Dad is acting totally bizarre.

So my conclusion so far has to be if the two main people are acting this way - something is wrong here.  I know people all grieve in different ways but the mom seems to cry on cue but it can change in a flash when she is defending herself.  And the fiance might as well be hung on the wall as a stuffed trophy for all the emotion he gives for both his daughter and his fiance.  He can't even find the wherewithal to comfort the mom. 
   

If someone took a pair of my shoes, I would be upset.  If someone took a baby of mine, I would be extremely mad, why is it
Dad and Mom are not angry?  Is that a fair question?

here's another  'is it a fair question'.
In this interview @ http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/inside-baby-lisas-home-14693905?tab=9482931&section=1206833   Mom makes a plea to bring "baby Lisa" back. On the surface that sounds okay IF you normally called the baby, baby lisa.  If the family usually never referred to her that way, doesn't it seem like mom has started adopting a media type of wording?
I don't know if that makes a lick of sense to anybody but me.. ::MonkeyEek::     

Savvy?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Pattianne on October 09, 2011, 03:33:06 PM
Are we allowed to give our opinion on what we thought happened that night?

I'd be interested. 

I don't have a 100% conclusion yet but there are two things I do know.

1.  Mom is crying crocodile tears. and...
2.  Dad is acting totally bizarre.

So my conclusion so far has to be if the two main people are acting this way - something is wrong here.  I know people all grieve in different ways but the mom seems to cry on cue but it can change in a flash when she is defending herself.  And the fiance might as well be hung on the wall as a stuffed trophy for all the emotion he gives for both his daughter and his fiance.  He can't even find the wherewithal to comfort the mom. 
   

If someone took a pair of my shoes, I would be upset.  If someone took a baby of mine, I would be extremely mad, why is it
Dad and Mom are not angry?  Is that a fair question?

here's another  'is it a fair question'.
In this interview @ http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/inside-baby-lisas-home-14693905?tab=9482931&section=1206833   Mom makes a plea to bring "baby Lisa" back. On the surface that sounds okay IF you normally called the baby, baby lisa.  If the family usually never referred to her that way, doesn't it seem like mom has started adopting a media type of wording?
I don't know if that makes a lick of sense to anybody but me.. ::MonkeyEek::     

It makes sense to me.  At first she was calling her "our pumpkin pie".


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: mizjay on October 09, 2011, 03:36:48 PM
@ Seahorse......ack...don't make me try and 'splain that!!!!

If you had a little one..named seahorsey.....seahorsey gets nabbed....the press dubbs her baby seahorsey.....when you make a plea, would you say "oh please bring seahorsey home"  or would you say "oh please bring baby seahorsey home" ???

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: mizjay on October 09, 2011, 03:40:25 PM
Pattiannne~  phew, at somebody got it!  Yeah, I forgot about pumkin pie.  I can't imagine what it would be like to have this happen. With people like me dissecting every word and past life..but it did kind of hit me funny the way she said it.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 09, 2011, 03:44:18 PM
Just Thinking Outloud..

I wonder if neighbors notice the screen before if it looked bent before and if LE  can tell
if this was an old issue with the screen rather than a new incident with bent window.. screen.

also you'd think mom might of noticed a corner popped out the night before while she was out there with the neighbor mom?

IDK fatcatlurker..

Mom might not be so truthful if this was an old issue with the screen.. Still wondering why it took a couple of days coming out regarding the cells phones being stolen..

waiting for the cell phones to be used? 

good point.  Because LE stated they knew about them from parents "that day" whatever that means.  They do not have Kelsey's law which could of gotten the phone info asap so I guess they should have it soon - atleast I hope.

They have dad's work cellphone right?  So they should have any info on that already imo.

A rumor is the cell phones were broken...(JQ)
If a 2:30 am call was made (on a cell phone), where would that cell phone be, IF the phones were all stolen?

 Who in the heck takes three cell phones and a baby, and nothing else? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 09, 2011, 03:48:59 PM
@ Seahorse......ack...don't make me try and 'splain that!!!!

If you had a little one..named seahorsey.....seahorsey gets nabbed....the press dubbs her baby seahorsey.....when you make a plea, would you say "oh please bring seahorsey home"  or would you say "oh please bring baby seahorsey home" ???

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Nope!  I would be bleeped, :) the news would never air anything, I would say (to the culprits), I would be
 beyond upset over little "Baby" seahorsie.  I see what you are saying...she is "mirroring" the press and going with the flow. T.Y.
 
 The dog was sleeping outside, I wonder if that was the place the dog slept every night?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: mizjay on October 09, 2011, 03:59:30 PM
@ Seahorse......ack...don't make me try and 'splain that!!!!

If you had a little one..named seahorsey.....seahorsey gets nabbed....the press dubbs her baby seahorsey.....when you make a plea, would you say "oh please bring seahorsey home"  or would you say "oh please bring baby seahorsey home" ???

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Nope!  I would be bleeped, :) the news would never air anything, I would say (to the culprits), I would be
 beyond upset over little "Baby" seahorsie.  I see what you are saying...she is "mirroring" the press and going with the flow. T.Y.
 
 The dog was sleeping outside, I wonder if that was the place the dog slept every night?

It must be or else it would probably been on high alert for any activity inside the house so that it could get back in to it's usual 'bedtime' spot.
I'm afraid I'd be in the same angry frame of mind as you're talking about after the initial trauma subsided.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wbaw0724 on October 09, 2011, 04:02:27 PM
Are we allowed to give our opinion on what we thought happened that night?

I'd be interested. 

I don't have a 100% conclusion yet but there are two things I do know.

1.  Mom is crying crocodile tears. and...
2.  Dad is acting totally bizarre.

So my conclusion so far has to be if the two main people are acting this way - something is wrong here.  I know people all grieve in different ways but the mom seems to cry on cue but it can change in a flash when she is defending herself.  And the fiance might as well be hung on the wall as a stuffed trophy for all the emotion he gives for both his daughter and his fiance.  He can't even find the wherewithal to comfort the mom. 
   

This is MOO I believe that the baby was taken before the mother went to bed, I also believe that there were some people over at the house after the husband left for work, that maybe she is not coming clean about, maybe this was the distraction of some sort. Maybe they smoked something, mom just went to bed after everyone left feelin the effects of the smoke, never checked nothing, whether the lights were off, doors locked, and she NEVER checked on the baby at all. Thats why i think she never heard nothing  or seen anything at all.............this is the only thing that can make sense of the whole thing to me....


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 09, 2011, 04:07:45 PM
Quote
"During the same interview on national news Saturday, the parents described how they compiled a list of people for police they believed could be involved.

They explained they considered everyone, especially those they knew who were either having marital problems, recently had a miscarriage and even friends they knew were cheating.

Police say they have followed up on all those leads - about 250 in all - but police say they continue to hit roadblocks. ""

-----

I don't see how a friend or neighbor would steal a baby, since sooner or later the kid has to go somewhere and can be seen... unless it's a depraved SOB like the Garrido guy.

----

There's the issue of Deborah still being married to her son's father, who is in the military.

Health insurance for the military is either free, or almost free. The dependents insurance is TriCare, which is one of the best, if not the best in the country, IMO. The dependents pay-allowance is also payed according to how many dependents there are... wife, number of kids.

Now, this makes me think that since these two are still married, maybe baby Lisa is being claimed as dependent by her still husband.

Maybe Jeremy agreed to it, so that the baby can have a good health plan, and maybe an allowance by the military.

Of course, that is fraud.

Maybe this is what have them all at odds end? Afraid of being discovered.

This is just conjecture on my part, nothing more. In lack of news, our minds wander... at least mine.

 ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 09, 2011, 04:09:44 PM
@ Seahorse......ack...don't make me try and 'splain that!!!!

If you had a little one..named seahorsey.....seahorsey gets nabbed....the press dubbs her baby seahorsey.....when you make a plea, would you say "oh please bring seahorsey home"  or would you say "oh please bring baby seahorsey home" ???

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Nope!  I would be bleeped, :) the news would never air anything, I would say (to the culprits), I would be
 beyond upset over little "Baby" seahorsie.  I see what you are saying...she is "mirroring" the press and going with the flow. T.Y.
 
 The dog was sleeping outside, I wonder if that was the place the dog slept every night?

It must be or else it would probably been on high alert for any activity inside the house so that it could get back in to it's usual 'bedtime' spot.
I'm afraid I'd be in the same angry frame of mind as you're talking about after the initial trauma subsided.



Good point. Thanks for keeping my mind open. ::rhino::

 I am a busy body today being outside the cage :) but it is getting a hairy... ::MonkeyHaHa::
Mom has a estranged hubby?  This is just too puzzling.  Who would think we need a "who's who" so soon?

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1002623#post1002623

I am going to refrain from "run away thinking" I will give the parents the benefit of the doubt.  Where are the grandparents?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 04:19:23 PM


Article and Video
KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

It is Day 6 in the search for missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin, and the baby's parents have reopened the lines of communication with police all in hopes of finding her soon and safe.

The Irwin home, off North Lister and 37th Street in Kansas City, was busy Sunday and all the increased activity comes as parents resume talks with police.

Detectives could be seen Sunday trying to recreate the alleged kidnapping scene, as they examined the interior and exterior of the home.

"We think that's great," Young said. "We are sitting at the same table together now with the mother and father. No doubt about it, I think this is our best bet to help find this child."

This is the first time that Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, the parents of Lisa Irwin, have met with detectives since Thursday evening.

The questioning comes as detectives are again searching for clues at the family's Northland home.

The Associated Press reported that police declined to comment on a report that a teenage neighbor had been questioned.

continued..

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/windowirwin.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: islandmonkey on October 09, 2011, 04:24:56 PM
Are we allowed to give our opinion on what we thought happened that night?

I'd be interested. 

I don't have a 100% conclusion yet but there are two things I do know.

1.  Mom is crying crocodile tears. and...
2.  Dad is acting totally bizarre.

So my conclusion so far has to be if the two main people are acting this way - something is wrong here.  I know people all grieve in different ways but the mom seems to cry on cue but it can change in a flash when she is defending herself.  And the fiance might as well be hung on the wall as a stuffed trophy for all the emotion he gives for both his daughter and his fiance.  He can't even find the wherewithal to comfort the mom. 
   

This is MOO I believe that the baby was taken before the mother went to bed, I also believe that there were some people over at the house after the husband left for work, that maybe she is not coming clean about, maybe this was the distraction of some sort. Maybe they smoked something, mom just went to bed after everyone left feelin the effects of the smoke, never checked nothing, whether the lights were off, doors locked, and she NEVER checked on the baby at all. Thats why i think she never heard nothing  or seen anything at all.............this is the only thing that can make sense of the whole thing to me....

I agree it makes no sense, but if it was all staged to look like a stranger abduction it wouldn't......I just can't see anyone who abducted an infant going thru the house, taking the cell phones which could even help track them, turning the lights on and opening the front door. Also, statistically speaking it is so rare that an infant is taken by anyone other than someone in the family except when the perp is trying to steal a baby to keep as their own and they are generally caught very quickly.......just my cynical 2 cents.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 09, 2011, 04:26:55 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

closer video of LE detectives doing re-enactment with sound.

****they used old satelite dish to step on and boost thru window in front???


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 04:28:16 PM
(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/IrwinHomewindow1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 04:36:40 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

closer video of LE detectives doing re-enactment with sound.

****they used old satelite dish to step on and boost thru window in front???

Yea... I notice they reenacted :

1 With something propped to step on to get into window
2.Nothing to help get into window
3.Someone helped to get into window   


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 09, 2011, 04:54:31 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

closer video of LE detectives doing re-enactment with sound.

****they used old satelite dish to step on and boost thru window in front???

Yea... I notice they reenacted :

1 With something propped to step on to get into window
2.Nothing to help get into window
3.Someone helped to get into window   

JerseyGirl did you see the picture of the other window on that site?  Do you think that is the window into Lisa's Room on the back of the house?  LE standing in front of it looking with no brick below it?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 05:11:18 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

closer video of LE detectives doing re-enactment with sound.

****they used old satelite dish to step on and boost thru window in front???

Yea... I notice they reenacted :

1 With something propped to step on to get into window
2.Nothing to help get into window
3.Someone helped to get into window   

JerseyGirl did you see the picture of the other window on that site?  Do you think that is the window into Lisa's Room on the back of the house?  LE standing in front of it looking with no brick below it?

No where is the link to pic of window baby Lisa room?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 05:19:47 PM
I found this fatcatluker..

A home that is designed like the Irwins home except it looks as thought the Irwins home might of converted the garage into a room..

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6035-N-Bellaire-Ave-Kansas-City-MO-64119/66435603_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-list-address}


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 09, 2011, 05:37:24 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

closer video of LE detectives doing re-enactment with sound.

****they used old satelite dish to step on and boost thru window in front???

Yea... I notice they reenacted :

1 With something propped to step on to get into window
2.Nothing to help get into window
3.Someone helped to get into window   

JerseyGirl did you see the picture of the other window on that site?  Do you think that is the window into Lisa's Room on the back of the house?  LE standing in front of it looking with no brick below it?

No where is the link to pic of window baby Lisa room?

I see that it is a window on the side of the house now.  It is at link above down to right of article.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 09, 2011, 05:41:11 PM
Hello All - I just joined and I really just take my hat off to all of you - great stuff!

I've got a question - I've been looking through this link and the internet (of course) - Do we have a copy of the 911 call made by Jeremy/Deborah?  The 911 posted here isn't the one I was hoping to see, just sayin.  *wink*

Thanks!
Welcome FANTA ::MonkeyAngel::

As far as I know, the 911 calls have not been released.....We have the ones on Alilayah Lunsford but not this one yet.

What troubles me is why were the two school age boys up this late on a school night? They should not have been still up at 10- 10:30. Are they home schooled? That is the only reason I could see for the two older boys still being up on a weeknight. And Mom can not remember if she locked the door on the first night that Dad is going to be gone....seriously? When my hubby worked away, the last thing I did before going to bed was to check that all of the doors were locked. Was she high?

If the "teenager" who had the garage code were to be the perp, I could see him/her turning on lights and taking cell phones, but someone older out to take a baby....no way are they going to go through the house turning on every flipping light.

Mom's story stinks and I think LE knows this and hubby knows this as well.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 09, 2011, 05:50:19 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iGSz1aswEZC9FZcht_BxnjC3XtRQ?docId=e0b84fb364ed4281aa48dd80f9f7c774
Missing Mo. baby's aunt reaches out to NASCAR fans
October 9, 2011

KANSAS CITY, Kan. (AP) — The family of a missing Missouri baby is reaching out to tens of thousands of NASCAR fans, hoping to spur efforts to locate the child.
 ::snipping2::
Her aunt, Ashley Irwin, handed out thousands of flyers Sunday in a parking lot at Kansas Speedway during a NASCAR Sprint Cup race. She's been working to raise awareness nationwide about her niece's disappearance and says she wants to get the message to the 80,000 fans attending Sunday's race.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 09, 2011, 05:51:33 PM
I found this fatcatluker..

A home that is designed like the Irwins home except it looks as thought the Irwins home might of converted the garage into a room..

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6035-N-Bellaire-Ave-Kansas-City-MO-64119/66435603_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-list-address}


Sorry,

After comparing the 2 pictures of the front of the homem there was no garage converted of the Irwins home.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 09, 2011, 05:57:13 PM
Go to case.net to look up Missouri court records.  Under Jeremy L. Irwin there is a case about paternity with a former girlfriend.  I think the former girlfriend once lived in that house.  So I'm thinking that the one boy belongs to Jeremy.

I looked this stuff up, and I'm not sure I can read it right but what I see is:

1. 
05/31/2005  JEREMY L IRWIN, Plaintiff against RASLEEN RAIM , Defendant   
appears to be a custody hearing wrt B**** Case was won by Jeremy.
 
2. 
07/17/2008  Jeremy sues Rasleen for child support,
they both file competing temporary custody motions,
10/21/2009  Jeremy requests the case be dismissed
Does Rasleen have Blake now?  He wasn't at the house...only Deborah's 2 older boys.

3. 
09/23/2010  City sues Jeremy for back taxes.  Does not appear to be paid, so maybe he has financial difficulties?

Is it at all possible that Jeremy's ex has hard feelings about him becoming a new father again?  The phones might also be of interest to a person angry with their ex.

I can not find anything on Jeremy's ex "Rasleen". In the video link below, the reporter says that Rasleen is living in Marshall, MO, Rasleen's family stated that "Jeremy" was relentless in getting custody of "son" and that the family was surprised that LE has not tried to contact them.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-bradleys-family-talks-about-past-20111008,0,1316565.story  (http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-bradleys-family-talks-about-past-20111008,0,1316565.story)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 09, 2011, 06:15:25 PM
I was asking where are the baby's grandparents? 

I now wonder if the grandparents aren't certain, who they are theirselves.  D. is not divorced, according to reports,  maybe no one is quite sure theirselves, who is who.  IMO.  Where is D.'s hubby?



Can LE retrived the phone cells records without the phone?




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 09, 2011, 06:20:20 PM
I don't see why not, as long as they have the paperwork.  Perhaps that's why they went to search the house again, to grab the phone bills.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 09, 2011, 06:25:04 PM
 ::snipping2::
here's another  'is it a fair question'.
In this interview @ http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/inside-baby-lisas-home-14693905?tab=9482931&section=1206833   Mom makes a plea to bring "baby Lisa" back. On the surface that sounds okay IF you normally called the baby, baby lisa.  If the family usually never referred to her that way, doesn't it seem like mom has started adopting a media type of wording?
I don't know if that makes a lick of sense to anybody but me.. ::MonkeyEek::     

Whether or not she called Lisa that, I'd say she's emphasizing the "baby" part to appeal to the abductor that she's just a helpless little baby. 

I still call my son "baby Chasie."  And he's about to turn 20.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 09, 2011, 06:30:24 PM
 ::snipping2::
Who in the heck takes three cell phones and a baby, and nothing else? ::MonkeyEek::

Do we know if the alleged abductor took any of Lisa's belongings or just Lisa?  Stuff like diapers, bottles, toys or a change of clothes?  If nothing was taken that would indicate she was taken by someone who wants a baby and already has that all stuff.  And if the parents are involved I would think they'd be smart enough to get rid of all that stuff and then claim it was taken along with the baby.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 09, 2011, 06:31:24 PM
Are we allowed to give our opinion on what we thought happened that night?

Sorry I was gone.  Sure as long as people realize it's opinion.  I give my opinion on stuff all the time but people usually ignore me  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: tcumom on October 09, 2011, 06:34:07 PM
For whatever it's worth ~ I can go to our Verizon cell account, and see who I called 5 minutes ago . . . surely the authorities have already checked that out. 

Anyone on our account, their records show also, virtually up to the minute . . . whether texting or talking, and I can see all activity if I'm interested .   ::MonkeyDevil::  When our son was in high school, he detested that we had this ability to check things out.  ha.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 09, 2011, 06:40:15 PM
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1208764392001/exclusive-parents-of-missing-baby-lisa-speak-out/?playlist_id=87485
Exclusive: Parents of Missing Baby Lisa Speak Out
Oct 9, 2011- 4:08 -
Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin sit down with Judge Jeanine Pirro

Video at link.

A few observations:

1)  It's amazing how quickly she is able to compose herself after she bursts into tears.
2)  She looks at him often, while she is telling her story, like she is looking for reassurance from him.  Why?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 09, 2011, 06:56:45 PM
I don't see why not, as long as they have the paperwork.  Perhaps that's why they went to search the house again, to grab the phone bills.

Good evening Monkey's,

 LE already may already know who she called at 2:30?


My understanding is the parents have zipped it, was the reenactment the deciding factor?

I heard through the grapevine :) the parents have a spokeman, and it was communicated that the parents will not
be giving so many interviews out.  I want to know how much money did Auntie make today, for Baby Lisa's award?  IMO


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 09, 2011, 06:59:02 PM
For whatever it's worth ~ I can go to our Verizon cell account, and see who I called 5 minutes ago . . . surely the authorities have already checked that out. 

Anyone on our account, their records show also, virtually up to the minute . . . whether texting or talking, and I can see all activity if I'm interested .   ::MonkeyDevil::  When our son was in high school, he detested that we had this ability to check things out.  ha.

Just one more thing the Irwin's should be happy to do if they are innocent....give LE the capability to access all their cell records asap....


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 09, 2011, 07:36:08 PM


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047200/Lisa-Irwin-missing-Mother-Deborah-Bradley-married-man.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


Baby Lisa's mother is 'still married to another man despite claims she is engaged to father of missing child'By John Stevens

Last updated at 9:50 PM on 9th October 2011


The mother of missing Lisa Irwin is still married to another man, despite claiming she is engaged to the father of the 10-month old baby, it has been revealed.

Kansas City parents Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin have talked about their engagement and wedding plans in interviews since their baby disappeared in Missouri on Monday.

But now the family of the father of her six-year-old son Michael have claimed that she is still married to their son.

Bradley and her husband Sean Bradley separated four years ago, but never got divorced, they say.

The family of Mr Bradley, who is currently away serving in the Army, said that their daughter-in-law was a good person who they do not think would be capable of harming a child


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047200/Lisa-Irwin-missing-Mother-Deborah-Bradley-married-man.html#ixzz1aKXS0600


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 09, 2011, 08:27:07 PM
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1208764392001/exclusive-parents-of-missing-baby-lisa-speak-out/?playlist_id=87485
Exclusive: Parents of Missing Baby Lisa Speak Out
Oct 9, 2011- 4:08 -
Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin sit down with Judge Jeanine Pirro

Video at link.

A few observations:

1)  It's amazing how quickly she is able to compose herself after she bursts into tears.
2)  She looks at him often, while she is telling her story, like she is looking for reassurance from him.  Why?
IMO, she is not looking at him for reassurance, she is looking at him to see if he believes what she is saying.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 09, 2011, 08:31:50 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/09/3197095/call-for-help-in-missing-baby.html
Call for help in missing baby case moves to Kansas Speedway
October 9, 2011


(http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2011/10/09/11/53/1cqJCO.Em.81.jpg)
JOE LEDFORD
Police and crime scene investigators activity was not evident Sunday morning but a kidnapped sign remained in front of the home of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin.

Family and friends of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin were at the Kansas Speedway today distributing flyers and raising awareness about her case.

Ashley Irwin, sister of Lisa’s father Jeremy, said she and a group of friends distributed thousands of flyers with pictures of the missing girl and sold T-shirts to raise money for a reward.

Irwin said they chose the Speedway because it attracts 100,000 fans and “people from all over the country.” She said they felt it was a worthwhile effort on a day when police reported no new progress in the search for the little girl.

Police spokesman Steve Young said detectives were again at the family home for several hours today, “just trying anything they can to figure out what happened.”

KCTV-5, The Star’s reporting partner, reported that detectives examined the interior and exterior of the home today and appeared to be trying to recreate a possible kidnapping by climbing through a window at the home, off North Lister and 37th Street in Kansas City, North.
 ::snipping2::
Young said the FBI has been assisting Kansas City police from the beginning of the investigation, as have numerous other police agencies.

Ashley Irwin said today the family has not determined its next move in the search for Lisa.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Fanta on October 10, 2011, 01:53:45 AM
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1208764392001/exclusive-parents-of-missing-baby-lisa-speak-out/?playlist_id=87485
Exclusive: Parents of Missing Baby Lisa Speak Out
Oct 9, 2011- 4:08 -
Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin sit down with Judge Jeanine Pirro

Video at link.

A few observations:

1)  It's amazing how quickly she is able to compose herself after she bursts into tears.
2)  She looks at him often, while she is telling her story, like she is looking for reassurance from him.  Why?
IMO, she is not looking at him for reassurance, she is looking at him to see if he believes what she is saying.

Exactly.  It makes me wonder if that's why he's so stoic and unfeeling towards her.  He knows something we don't.

How horrible.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 10, 2011, 04:20:43 AM
I would think that by now the FBI has run fingerprints and fiber on the window.  I also notice that the officer had to sort of 'crawl' into the window.  No way did he do that without making noise.

Personally, I never closed the door to my kids' rooms when they went down at night.  I always wanted to hear them even with a monitor.  I want to know if the neighbor ever saw Lisa, heard Lisa on the monitor, or saw Debbie go to check on Lisa.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 10, 2011, 05:25:49 AM
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/ap/legislative/ap-top-missouri-news-at-258-am-cdt/nD88C/
Updated: 5:01 a.m. Monday, Oct. 10, 2011 | Posted: 5:00 a.m. Monday, Oct. 10, 2011
The Associated Press
 
Missing Mo. baby's aunt reaches out to NASCAR fans

KANSAS CITY, Kan. (AP) — The family of a missing Missouri baby reached out to tens of thousands of NASCAR fans on Sunday, hoping to spur efforts to locate the child as investigators sifted through hundreds of tips that so far have led them to dead ends.

Ten-month-old Lisa Irwin hasn't been seen in nearly a week. Her parents reported her missing early Tuesday, saying she was snatched sometime overnight from their home in Kansas City, Mo.

Her aunt, Ashley Irwin, handed out thousands of flyers in a parking lot at Kansas Speedway during Sunday's NASCAR Sprint Cup race. She has been trying to raise awareness about her niece's disappearance, from prayer vigils to online social media, and said targeting the 80,000 fans attending the race would help.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 10, 2011, 08:00:23 AM
good morn,still no baby lisa   sad sad

wonder if the LE have checked the forsale/foreclosers,on the map there are a few,
in their hood
the irwin house is the 3rd house down/south from the corner of NE37th street and
N lister i see 2 foreclosed homes on N chelsea

map foreclosed homes
http://tinyurl.com/3gbplya


i watched these and other interviews,not sure how this could have happened,by a stranger,but
the person that was visiting the nite lisa went missing,would be high on my list of look at
saying the poi came through the window,and put the screen back,that says someone thought the
screen would be noticed by someone at that early hour,maybe the newspaper delivery,a neighbor
who has to walk the dog early,Bc they go to work early,or just a nosey neighbor across the st.
DB mentions the neighbor in the clip of,Exclusive: Parents of Missing Baby Lisa Speak Out
vids
What Happened to Baby Lisa?
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/justice-jeanine/index.html

Lisa Irwin: A Look Inside the Home
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/lisa-irwin-inside-home-14695353

Inside Baby Lisa's Home
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/inside-baby-lisas-home-14693905?tab=9482931&section=1206833


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 10, 2011, 08:15:55 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-police-stage-break-familys-home/story?id=14702680
Missing Baby Lisa: Police Stage 'Break In" at Family's Home
By CLAYTON SANDELL (@Clayton_Sandell) and KEVIN DOLAK
Oct. 10, 2011


Nearly a week since the mysterious disappearance of 10-month-old Missouri baby Lisa Irwin investigators searching for new clues have staged an unusual recreation of what could have been the kidnapping.

Detectives and FBI agents showed up on Sunday at the Kansas City, Mo., home of the missing girl's parents Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley to restage what may have happened on the night of October 3 when baby Lisa went missing

Pretending to be intruders, investigators climbed through a window in order to gain access to Irwin and Bradley's home. The "break-in" was no easy task, as the detectives climbing through the window needed to be boosted in, and afterwards the window slammed down on the detective's legs.
 ::snipping2::

Video at link.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: beth1970 on October 10, 2011, 08:51:29 AM
I would think that by now the FBI has run fingerprints and fiber on the window.  I also notice that the officer had to sort of 'crawl' into the window.  No way did he do that without making noise.

Personally, I never closed the door to my kids' rooms when they went down at night.  I always wanted to hear them even with a monitor.  I want to know if the neighbor ever saw Lisa, heard Lisa on the monitor, or saw Debbie go to check on Lisa.

Yep, and that's just on the outside, he's certain to make a "thump" on the inside.  There is definitely something up with this case, whether she was doing drugs while the baby was being taken or she did something to her herself clearly something stinks.

My daughter had colic and started teething at 3 weeks with two new little teeth at 1 month, 2 months, 3 months etc. until she was 7 months old.  To help with the colic we had sound machines, fans you name it and I finally put her in her own room at 12 months.  We have to shut her door.  The smallest distraction & my little wild woman is up.  I do however have a video monitor turned loud that's right by my bedside and then a second one that is sound only for a back up.  Slightest noise & I'm up and I glance over at the monitor a million times a night.  There are quite a few of us moms who shut the door.  We did a fun survey in one of my mommy & me groups and out of 35 moms with kids age 6 months - 4 yrs only 2 left the door open.  Her nursery door is literally 5 feet from my bedroom door.  I'm a light sleeper and if she turns over I hear her.  I wonder though if this woman is like my husband who can sleep through anything.  Even a screaming baby with colic in my arms walking around my master bedroom.  Sure we had a sound machine & fans on but even now when she wakes up in the middle of the night he sleeps right through it.  Maybe this woman doesn't have our "mom's ears".  I'm still betting something happened though.  Lisa had a cold & I wonder if she accidentally overdosed her.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 10, 2011, 08:59:14 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/missing-baby-lisa-irwins-parents-statements-picked-apart-201100839.html
Missing Baby Lisa Irwin's Parents' Statements Picked Apart by Internet Sleuths
By Carol Bengle Gilbert | Yahoo! Contributor Network – 16 hrs ago
Whenever the news reports a child's disappearance as happened with Kansas City, mo., baby Lisa Irwin last week, Internet sleuths set to speculating. The publicly known details of the case are passed around and dissected. Did the mother do it? Did the father do it? Was the kidnapping the work of a stranger? No matter the case, the thrust of much discussion is whether the parents who reported their child missing are trustworthy.

Internet sleuths are not privy to inside information. They parse through news reports and sometimes gossip repeated in the community where the disappearance took place, trying to ascertain the truth. One tool they use is statement analysis. That's a tool that's resulted in some pretty harsh criticism of grieving parents, including Lisa's parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: supersleuth99 on October 10, 2011, 09:00:46 AM
I see on Jeremy's court case that he had to take parenting class. (So did Ron Cummings javascript:void(0);)  There was a hearing on
10/20/2008 - a recording of the trial can be downloaded if you have a PC - Windows.  I have a Mac and wasn't able to get it.  It may cost a couple of bucks.

7CV105004561-01 - JEREMY IRWIN V RASLEEN RAIM         

Hearing Held
     Div by APA Hinson. Pet not. Resp in person and by atty. D Savory. State dismisses its cause of action in open court. SPR
        Scheduled For: 10/20/2008;  10:30 AM ;  SHERRILL PAGE ROBERTS;  Clay


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 10, 2011, 09:10:35 AM
The Today show 
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44842241#44842241
One week later, baby still missing


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 10, 2011, 10:15:09 AM
On NBC morning news... police reenactment proved it was very difficult to get into the home through the window, and it was noisy.

Also, the police is walking the neighborhood asking residents if they have seen a handyman who apparently disappeared at the same time that Lisa did. People have not seen him for a about a week.

---

Glad to see police seeking other suspects, so the rush to judgment don't bite them on the arse when this thing goes to trial.

MOO



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: labubske on October 10, 2011, 10:36:56 AM
On NBC morning news... police reenactment proved it was very difficult to get into the home through the window, and it was noisy.

Also, the police is walking the neighborhood asking residents if they have seen a handyman who apparently disappeared at the same time that Lisa did. People have not seen him for a about a week.

---

Glad to see police seeking other suspects, so the rush to judgment don't bite them on the arse when this thing goes to trial.

MOO



Neighbors told KCTV5 they are upset about what has happened in their peaceful neighborhood and plan to keep windows closed and locked from now on. One neighbor described seeing a strange man walking through the neighborhood on Monday.

I wonder if they have identified this "strange" man?

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby?redirected=true


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 10, 2011, 10:39:31 AM
Police searched an area in Edwardsville, Kansas, was based on a tip.

Detectives focused on a wooded area near the Kansas River where Lisa's father had a job recently. Police say they found nothing.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15655082/hope-does-not-fade-in-search-for-baby-lisa

-----

There was a candlelight vigil last night, about 50 people from the neighborhood attended, no sight of the parents (or it would've been on the news today.)



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 10, 2011, 10:41:32 AM


http://www.kmbc.com/r/29432684/detail.html

 ::snipping2::


Mike Lerette, a spokesman for the family of Lisa Irwin, said Saturday that they have been working to establish a trust fund for the reward fund and to raise awareness. He also said the family would give fewer media interviews in order to give full attention to finding Lisa.

 ::snipping2::

Lerette said in a text message to The Associated Press that the family didn't think the reward fund would be ready by this weekend, but they hope to have it organized soon.


Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29432684/detail.html#ixzz1aODcAbhG


 ::MonkeyTongue:: How soon will the award money be made available?  The baby has been missing for almost a week.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: 4 Donks on October 10, 2011, 11:05:04 AM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lisa-Irwin-Donation-Page/132632386837596?sk=wall

Lisa Irwin Donation Page


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 10, 2011, 11:09:56 AM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=1373&p=179700

A beautiful photo on Mom's FB who in my opinion is the two boys and baby Lisi.
http://facebook.com/DebiNetz


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: goodnmad on October 10, 2011, 11:16:09 AM
Still no news? I was hoping for a breakthrough over the weekend. I don't know why -- just my feeling -- I don't think mom did this. I'm trying not to be too jaded, though it is hard. Praying for Lisa and her family. Bring her home safe.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 10, 2011, 11:19:37 AM
Off Topic

This does not pertain to Mom....I knew a couple who stayed married (in the service) to collect $$, it was called (I believe)

BAQ.  This certain couple (not living together) illegally collected funds, but (one of them) would bank the $$ (in case) they were caught.  This means if you collect funds and are not living with the spouse, you may need to pay back all the money.  This has nothing to do with this situation :)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Sister on October 10, 2011, 11:33:47 AM
Still no news? I was hoping for a breakthrough over the weekend. I don't know why -- just my feeling -- I don't think mom did this. I'm trying not to be too jaded, though it is hard. Praying for Lisa and her family. Bring her home safe.
Yes, it is so hard not to feel jaded.  Hoping Lisa is found safe.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 10, 2011, 11:39:48 AM

Between an early Canadian Thanksgiving gathering at our home on Saturday and ... hubby and I preparing for another visit with Mickey and Minnie this week with two of our grandkids ... my computer time has been limited.  However ... I have been scanning the forum hoping for some conclusion to the disappearance of Baby Lisa.

Thanks to all for all the updates.

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 10, 2011, 12:03:29 PM
http://livewire.kmbc.com/


Live Events
Live Blog: Search Continues For Missing 10-Month Old
Continuous updates on the search for Lisa Irwin
10:05 AM EST


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/#ixzz1aOYk8L2m


Goodmorning Monkey's,

Photos of Love for Lisa vigil on the page, after you click the first link and scroll.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 10, 2011, 12:17:57 PM
Where is the grandmother of baby Lisa?  Baby Lisa is (supposedly) named after grandma, where the *ell is grandma?
I checked Legacy.com (apparently) grandma is still living.  

 ::MonkeyEek::

Off Subject:
Newpaper List


Missouri Newspapers 
Boonville Daily News 
Kansas City Star 
News-Leader 
SedaliaDemocrat.com 
St. Louis Post-Dispatch 
 
 



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 10, 2011, 12:20:47 PM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=1373&p=179700

A beautiful photo on Mom's FB who in my opinion is the two boys and baby Lisi.
http://facebook.com/DebiNetz

awww!  TU for sharing.  Inregards to BAQ now known as BAH(Basic Allowance Quarters/Housing - meaning no military base housing), when I was in the Navy...like the song ha ha ha.  I also knew people who would marry and cohabitate together just to enjoy this benefit...some had alternate lifestyles.  


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 10, 2011, 12:22:27 PM
Where is the grandmother of baby Lisa?  Baby Lisa is (supposedly) named after grandma, where the *ell is grandma?
I checked Legacy.com (apparently) grandma is still living.  

 ::MonkeyEek::

Off Subject:
Newpaper List


Missouri Newspapers 
Boonville Daily News 
Kansas City Star 
News-Leader 
SedaliaDemocrat.com 
St. Louis Post-Dispatch 
 
 



Huh?  Deborah's mom? 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 10, 2011, 12:36:12 PM
On NBC morning news... police reenactment proved it was very difficult to get into the home through the window, and it was noisy.

Also, the police is walking the neighborhood asking residents if they have seen a handyman who apparently disappeared at the same time that Lisa did. People have not seen him for a about a week.

---

Glad to see police seeking other suspects, so the rush to judgment don't bite them on the arse when this thing goes to trial.

MOO



Yep, ITA.  Parents are not going anywhere.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 10, 2011, 12:39:13 PM
Where is the grandmother of baby Lisa?  Baby Lisa is (supposedly) named after grandma, where the *ell is grandma?
I checked Legacy.com (apparently) grandma is still living.  

 ::MonkeyEek::

Off Subject:
Newpaper List


Missouri Newspapers 
Boonville Daily News 
Kansas City Star 
News-Leader 
SedaliaDemocrat.com 
St. Louis Post-Dispatch 

You must've missed it. There was a post that came out about the time that Fox news said that Lisa had a "checkered" past. Deborah's uncle said that Lisa Irwin was named after her grandma, Lisa Netz.

The uncle said that Deborah's mother died of an overdose (of something.) She died some years ago, can't remember how many.

Deborah's uncle sorta hinted that it was a somewhat "mysterious death in the family."



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 10, 2011, 12:44:40 PM
Do you think her family has lawyered-up?  ::MonkeyCool::

I am going to refrain from mentioning Deborah's mom, because it will cause confusion, sorry. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MOMDET on October 10, 2011, 12:45:32 PM
I feel like the mother is truly devastate.  REAL tears pour from her eyes and her sadness is sincere.  I realize that her sadness could be because she does know that child's fate, however I feel that her despair is real.   I am more concerned with the father's flat demeanor and would like to know what these "parenting" classes he took entailed and if they were ordered?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 10, 2011, 12:57:40 PM
Where is the grandmother of baby Lisa?  Baby Lisa is (supposedly) named after grandma, where the *ell is grandma?
I checked Legacy.com (apparently) grandma is still living.  

 ::MonkeyEek::

Off Subject:
Newpaper List


Missouri Newspapers  
Boonville Daily News  
Kansas City Star  
News-Leader  
SedaliaDemocrat.com  
St. Louis Post-Dispatch  

You must've missed it. There was a post that came out about the time that Fox news said that Lisa had a "checkered" past. Deborah's uncle said that Lisa Irwin was named after her grandma, Lisa Netz.

The uncle said that Deborah's mother died of an overdose (of something.) She died some years ago, can't remember how many.

Deborah's uncle sorta hinted that it was a somewhat "mysterious death in the family."



Thank-you Itaryl...
I checked google newspaper archives and this may be, not confirmed, my opinion I will try for an obit in the local paper
Edit to fix link.  MB
Kansas City Star, The : http://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&hl=en&gl=us&as_q=lisa+netz&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_scoring=r&btnG=Search&as_qdr=a&as_mindate=9%2F9%2F11&as_maxdate=10%2F9%2F11&as_drrb=a&as_nsrc=&as_nloc=&as_author=&as_occt=any&tbs=ar%3A1bits‎
$2.95 - Kansas City Star - Apr 13, 2001


 ::MonkeyEek::

Lisa was the daughter of the late John Chivalette Jr., who died in 1968. She is survived by her husband of 16 years, David L. Netz Jr., two sons, ...

A possible match.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 10, 2011, 12:57:52 PM
Still no news? I was hoping for a breakthrough over the weekend. I don't know why -- just my feeling -- I don't think mom did this. I'm trying not to be too jaded, though it is hard. Praying for Lisa and her family. Bring her home safe.

I am in the same boat as you.  I can't see her having done anything to Lisa herself...but there is still something...OFF.  I can't put my finger on it.  Could it be a situation was created by the mother that allowed Lisa to be taken withour her knowing...maybe that's the guilt I'm sensing?  Not sure.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 10, 2011, 01:00:03 PM
Do you think her family has lawyered-up?  ::MonkeyCool::

I am going to refrain from mentioning Deborah's mom, because it will cause confusion, sorry. ::MonkeyTongue::

I think whether guilty or not they would be stupid not to be atleast talking to one.  And I understand on her mom, I also heard she was dead from that guy and I thought you said she was alive.  That's why I said huh?  Dropped now.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 10, 2011, 01:12:54 PM
LISA ANN CHIVALETTE NETZ
Kansas City Star, The (MO) - April 13, 2001


 ::MonkeyEek::
Sorry, I should know by now search engines are not always up to date.

still looking....


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 10, 2011, 01:14:38 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/no-sign-of-lisa-irwin-7-days-into-search#ixzz1aOnKhQBt

snipped;

Police have not released any information about a potential suspect in the disappearance of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin, but a neighbor says investigators have questioned him about a man who has been seen riding his bike in the neighborhood.

The neighbor says authorities brought a picture of a man to his door and asked him if he had seen him.

He told police that he had seen the man, who he described as in his 20s, riding a bike and carrying a backpack.

The neighbor, who has lived in the neighborhood for 40 years and says he knows all of its residents, says he is sure the man does not live close by and was suspicious of the man even before Lisa disappeared.

_____________________________________________________________

Now how do you think the LE got a picture of this man riding a bike?  

He's a criminal that's how, probably got a SO record....



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 01:15:01 PM
Video and Article..
New Photos Released of Missing Missouri Baby Lisa Irwin..

Missouri police are stepping up the search for missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin. A week after she was first reported missing, her parents are once again cooperating with police after rumors circulated last week that they refused to work together with authorities.

Retired FBI Special Agent Jeff Lanza says, “Generally in this interim, a week, something happens and it hasn’t happened in this case yet and there’s been some strange twists and turns as well.” He goes on to say that it’s really hard to determine motive when a young baby like this is found missing.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/10/new-photos-released-of-missing-missouri-baby-lisa-irwin/

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/BabyLisa.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 10, 2011, 01:16:19 PM
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=23510022

I do not know if this is the mom or not, a very likely match :(

This is only an opinion that it could be or could not be the mom.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 01:32:19 PM
Police back at home of Kansas City missing baby
APAP – 7 mins ago

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — Investigators in Kansas City climbed through a window that parents said had been tampered with the night their 10-month-old daughter disappeared in an apparent attempt to re-enact an abduction.

Lisa Irwin's parents reported her missing early Tuesday after her father returned home from work. Her parents said someone must have crept into their home while the child's mother and brothers slept and snatched the baby girl.

The parents said a front window had been tampered with, and police were seen crawling through one Sunday. An officer was back at the house early Monday for about 10 minutes, walking around to the rear.

He did not speak to the media, and police haven't commented on any aspect of the investigation.

Capt. Steve Young, the police spokesman, said only that detectives have been pursuing leads but are "at the mercy of the next good idea."

Continued..

http://news.yahoo.com/police-back-home-kansas-city-missing-baby-162353525.html


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: labubske on October 10, 2011, 01:35:39 PM
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=23510022

I do not know if this is the mom or not, a very likely match :(

This is only an opinion that it could be or could not be the mom.

I do recall one of the Netz FB pages stating they were from Delaware I believe...I will go and look.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: labubske on October 10, 2011, 01:38:47 PM
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=23510022

I do not know if this is the mom or not, a very likely match :(

This is only an opinion that it could be or could not be the mom.

I do recall one of the Netz FB pages stating they were from Delaware I believe...I will go and look.

Yes, Phillips Myspace has his hometown as Delaware.
http://www.myspace.com/moguy410


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 01:39:49 PM
I wish for more currents pictures of Baby Lisa get out there..

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/BabyLisaIrwin2.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Pattianne on October 10, 2011, 01:48:15 PM


Article and Video
KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

It is Day 6 in the search for missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin, and the baby's parents have reopened the lines of communication with police all in hopes of finding her soon and safe.

The Irwin home, off North Lister and 37th Street in Kansas City, was busy Sunday and all the increased activity comes as parents resume talks with police.

Detectives could be seen Sunday trying to recreate the alleged kidnapping scene, as they examined the interior and exterior of the home.

"We think that's great," Young said. "We are sitting at the same table together now with the mother and father. No doubt about it, I think this is our best bet to help find this child."

This is the first time that Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, the parents of Lisa Irwin, have met with detectives since Thursday evening.

The questioning comes as detectives are again searching for clues at the family's Northland home.

The Associated Press reported that police declined to comment on a report that a teenage neighbor had been questioned.

continued..

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/windowirwin.jpg)

I wonder what is located directly under that window?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 02:15:43 PM
Article and Video
Police: No New Clues in Search for Baby Lisa..

Kathy Quinn, edited by Jason Vaughn

12:34 p.m. CDT, October 10, 2011
KANSAS CITY, Mo.—
A week after she was reported missing from her Northland home, police say that there are no new clues in the search for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin.

According to her parents, Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley, the child was last seen in her crib at her home in the 3600 block of N. Lister around 10:30 p.m. on Monday night. Her parents reported her missing to police early Tuesday morning.

continued..

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-police-say-they-have-no-new-leads-in-search-for-missing-baby-lisa-irwin-20111010,0,7444931.story


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Pattianne on October 10, 2011, 02:16:57 PM
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1208764392001/exclusive-parents-of-missing-baby-lisa-speak-out/?playlist_id=87485
Exclusive: Parents of Missing Baby Lisa Speak Out
Oct 9, 2011- 4:08 -
Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin sit down with Judge Jeanine Pirro

Video at link.

A few observations:

1)  It's amazing how quickly she is able to compose herself after she bursts into tears.
2)  She looks at him often, while she is telling her story, like she is looking for reassurance from him.  Why?

I keep watching this tape over and over because I'm confused.  At one point Deborah says that on that night she left the computer room window open.  At another point she says that they almost never leaves the windows open, except their bedroom because it's high off the ground and not often she leaves the windows cracked in the boys room.  When Jeremy comes home he asks her why is the screen popped out.  Wouldn't he first ask why the window is open? 

I could be totally confused about this point.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 10, 2011, 02:18:55 PM
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=23510022

I do not know if this is the mom or not, a very likely match :(

This is only an opinion that it could be or could not be the mom.

I do recall one of the Netz FB pages stating they were from Delaware I believe...I will go and look.

Yes, Phillips Myspace has his hometown as Delaware.
http://www.myspace.com/moguy410

Thank-you for looking up Phillips.  I want to put the pieces of the puzzle together. Where is the baby Lisa?
I hope family members offer the reward money soon while minds are still fresh.

 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 02:32:11 PM
Video and Article..

Police officer gets stuck in window during re-enactment of Baby Lisa kidnapping - casting new doubt on parents' story..

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047561/Police-officer-gets-stuck-window-enactment-Baby-Lisa-kidnapping--casting-new-doubt-parents-story.html#ixzz1aPA3qs9L

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Irwincase.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 10, 2011, 02:32:26 PM



Lisa Ann Chivalette Netz

Sep. 5, 1964
Death:  Apr. 10, 2001

Lisa Ann Chivalette Netz, 36, of New Castle, DE formerly of Delaware County.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSmid=47089125&GRid=23510022&

Memorial contributions in her name to the Sun East Federal Credit Union, c/o Margaret Chivalette Trust Fund, P. O. Box 2231, Aston, PA 19014 would be appreciated by the family.
 


 I see their was a trust fund set up in the late moms name for Margaret Chivalette. ::MonkeyAngel:: 


Family links:
 Parents:
  John Joseph Chivalette (1941 - 1968)

 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=23510009





http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSmid=47089125&GRid=23510009&




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Pattianne on October 10, 2011, 02:41:24 PM
Video and Article..

Police officer gets stuck in window during re-enactment of Baby Lisa kidnapping - casting new doubt on parents' story..

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047561/Police-officer-gets-stuck-window-enactment-Baby-Lisa-kidnapping--casting-new-doubt-parents-story.html#ixzz1aPA3qs9L

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Irwincase.jpg)

Jerseygirl345, a big thank you for keeping everyone so informed.  I have to give you credit - nothing gets by you.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 10, 2011, 02:45:43 PM
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aPOMsv8E
Search boats along the Missouri River. It was not known if these boats were involved in the search for baby Lisa.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 1:20 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aPDpiVqn


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 03:14:33 PM
YW Pattianne..

This type of window is hard to maneuver from the outside.. I had this type of windows.
The window track frame has 3 tracks. One for the upper window .. One for the lower window..
And one for the screen.. And they lock in place with a metal clip inside. It would of been a lot earlier to just cut the screen . Its hard to believe a break in from front window  facing the street . I notice a light next to the left side of the front door.. Was there a street light by the home also? I just wonder if this was a prior incident with the front window?

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Irwincase4.jpg)




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 10, 2011, 03:23:18 PM
LE should start checking any nearby businesses for video footage of the streets.  Maybe they could track the vehicles of the family coming and going in the neighborhood. 

I wonder if Jeremy has ever questioned the paternity of Lisa?  He did with his son. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 10, 2011, 03:33:36 PM
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aPOMsv8E
Search boats along the Missouri River. It was not known if these boats were involved in the search for baby Lisa.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 1:20 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aPDpiVqn


Trimm,

Do you know how far the river is from the parents house?   I do not have an addy for the house.  IDK if we can still post
maps. Curious if you can walk to the river or is the area open that a cell phone ping, could be picked up?  Thanks.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 10, 2011, 03:34:25 PM
LE should start checking any nearby businesses for video footage of the streets.  Maybe they could track the vehicles of the family coming and going in the neighborhood. 

I wonder if Jeremy has ever questioned the paternity of Lisa?  He did with his son. 

Interesting question.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 10, 2011, 03:40:08 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/LookingForLisa-map


•Key locations in Lisa Irwin search

Here is a map of key locations in the search for missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin who was last seen in her crib at approximately 10:30 p.m. Monday night at a residence in the 3600 block of North Lister in Kansas City, Missouri


Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/LookingForLisa-map#ixzz1aPRBi8V1

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/LookingForLisa-map


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 10, 2011, 03:42:16 PM
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aPOMsv8E
Search boats along the Missouri River. It was not known if these boats were involved in the search for baby Lisa.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 1:20 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aPDpiVqn


Trimm,

Do you know how far the river is from the parents house?   I do not have an addy for the house.  IDK if we can still post
maps. Curious if you can walk to the river or is the area open that a cell phone ping, could be picked up?  Thanks.
I do not know.....  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 10, 2011, 03:43:03 PM
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aPOMsv8E
KMBC's Peggy Breit: Jeremy's sister says she's heard of two instances where investigators have been checking reports of a family with a baby. One was a tip that a couple with a little boy was checking out at a store, but they were buying girls' clothes. The other was a friend who said police came to her door and asked her to prove that her 10-month old daughter was really hers. Police will not comment on specific tips, but will say that they've checked out tips about babies, and nothing has panned out.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... edited by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 2:37 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aPSEl66x


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 10, 2011, 03:45:17 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&cp=36&gs_id=30&xhr=t&q=3600+north+lister+kansas+city+missouri&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1280&bih=571&wrapid=tljp1318275475984058&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

A better and crisper map.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 10, 2011, 03:55:27 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&cp=36&gs_id=30&xhr=t&q=3600+north+lister+kansas+city+missouri&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1280&bih=571&wrapid=tljp1318275475984058&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

A better and crisper map.


About a four mile walk, in my opinion, to the water...I do not think anyone would walk that far.  Just curious...

 N Brighton Ave Kansas City, MO   

 1. Head south on N Brighton Ave toward NE 63 St/NE 63rd St   
  3.3 mi 
 2. Turn right onto NE 37 St/NE 37th St   
  0.2 mi 
 3. Turn left onto N Lister Ave
Destination will be on the right   
  0.2 mi 

 3600 N Lister AveKansas City, MO 64117


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 10, 2011, 03:59:08 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&cp=36&gs_id=30&xhr=t&q=3600+north+lister+kansas+city+missouri&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1280&bih=571&wrapid=tljp1318275475984058&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

A better and crisper map.
Thanks Seahorse  ::rhino::
(phone won't stop ringing over here)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 04:05:45 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&cp=36&gs_id=30&xhr=t&q=3600+north+lister+kansas+city+missouri&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1280&bih=571&wrapid=tljp1318275475984058&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

A better and crisper map.

Thanks for the map..

I am pretty sure I have the right home.. Street light directly across the street from the home...

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/streetlight.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 10, 2011, 04:14:24 PM
By seeing the re-creation of the window entry, we can eliminate 1/3 of the suspects.
The obese.
No way a fat person's butt can fit through the opening.

Also, the stature challenged.
The short people.
Unless the person had someone's help getting up there, or something to stoop on, there's no way a short person can climb in.

Also, those activity challenged.
The elderly, handicapped, couch potatoes.
The window is sort of narrow, and steep, only someone in good physical shape can get in.

We can assume the alleged intruder did NOT enter through the window.





Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 10, 2011, 04:15:27 PM
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/10/5e452fe3-9766-4bc7-932a-a080248ab353_400.jpg)
Another view of investigators searching the backyard.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 3:06 PM

(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/10/dc480e18-792e-4625-8879-0247d14fe095_400.jpg)
Police return to the Irwin home to search the backyard.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 3:06 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aPaRweiy


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 10, 2011, 04:32:11 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/no-sign-of-lisa-irwin-7-days-into-search (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/no-sign-of-lisa-irwin-7-days-into-search)

No sign of Lisa Irwin 7 days into search
Neighbor says he was questioned about man


Posted: 6:01 AM
Last Updated: 5 minutes ago

    By: Lindsay Shively By: Lindsay Shively

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Police have not released any information about a potential suspect in the disappearance of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin, but a neighbor says investigators have questioned him about a man who has been seen riding his bike in the neighborhood.

The neighbor said authorities brought a picture of a man to his door and asked him if he had seen him.

He told police that he had seen the man, who he described as in his 20s, riding a bike and carrying a backpack.

The neighbor, who has lived in the neighborhood for 40 years and says he knows all of its residents, said he is sure the man does not live close by and was suspicious of the man even before Lisa disappeared.

 ::snipping2::

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/no-sign-of-lisa-irwin-7-days-into-search#ixzz1aPeYpA4h


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 10, 2011, 04:32:50 PM
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1208764392001/exclusive-parents-of-missing-baby-lisa-speak-out/?playlist_id=87485
Exclusive: Parents of Missing Baby Lisa Speak Out
Oct 9, 2011- 4:08 -
Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin sit down with Judge Jeanine Pirro

Video at link.

A few observations:

1)  It's amazing how quickly she is able to compose herself after she bursts into tears.
2)  She looks at him often, while she is telling her story, like she is looking for reassurance from him.  Why?

I keep watching this tape over and over because I'm confused.  At one point Deborah says that on that night she left the computer room window open.  At another point she says that they almost never leaves the windows open, except their bedroom because it's high off the ground and not often she leaves the windows cracked in the boys room.  When Jeremy comes home he asks her why is the screen popped out.  Wouldn't he first ask why the window is open? 

I could be totally confused about this point.


She also appears to contradict herself regarding security and safety.  First, she says that they hardly ever leave the windows open at night.  Then she said she doesn't remember if the front door was locked or unlocked?  I know that in small towns people often leave their homes and cars unlocked.  That being said, the front door uncertainty is feasible.  However, if it is no biggie leaving it unlocked, why then make a big deal about the windows hardly ever being left open at night?  She actually states that they feel comfortable leaving their bedroom window open since it's high off the ground.  This would indicate that she has security concerns, but then she doesn't make sure the front door is locked?  That doesn't make any sense.  Very fishy that.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 04:40:39 PM
Thank Trimmonthelake for the picture of the backyard showing the Lamp Posts.
Front door had light.. Another picture of street light from other direct across the street from the home..

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/streetlight2.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 10, 2011, 04:48:11 PM
Thank Trimmonthelake for the picture of the backyard showing the Lamp Posts.
Front door had light.. Another picture of street light from other direct across the street from the home..

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/streetlight2.jpg)

I thought I saw it mentioned somewhere that the blue plastic recycling bin was missing (not sure if it was missing from the Irwin house or another house).  But you can clearly see one here in this photo.  And the birds eye view on Bing maps shows it sitting out at the end of the drive.  I'm curious if the bin was taken by a person when they took little Lisa if they used it to lay her in so no one would see them carrying a child?  This doesn't help with clues to find here really but just pondering...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 04:48:34 PM
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Investigators returned to the home of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin on Monday afternoon to search the backyard and nearby woods.

Officers arrived at the home just before 3 p.m. to conduct the search. It was not known what they were looking for, or if they found anything. Prior to the afternoon search, it was very quiet at the scene the rest of the day, KMBC's Peggy Breit reported.

continued..

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29437472/detail.html#ixzz1aPiiF1Gl


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 04:58:19 PM
PeterAlexander Peter Alexander

Detectives now combing #LisaIrwin garage & drainage ditch behind home for evidence. yfrog.com/j2mewfwj (http://yfrog.com/j2mewfwj)

http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 05:04:26 PM
Heycameraman HC Edit to add hyperlink to the links to make them clickable.  MB
Police search woody area behind neighbors home in the #LisaIrwin case. bit.ly/pbW7il (http://bit.ly/pbW7il)
23 minutes ago
HC
Heycameraman HC
@
@todjones Not sure. Could be just putting fresh eyes on the scene. Making sure they don't miss anything.
51 minutes ago
HC
Heycameraman HC
Police back at home of #LisaIrwin again searching woods in back of home. bit.ly/odp42S (http://bit.ly/odp42S)
54 minutes ago
HC
Heycameraman HC
@
@mikvogel damn my bad. Can I get an exclusive with him?? :)
4 hours ago
HC
Heycameraman HC
@
@Farzin21 long tough week for the family no doubt.
4 hours ago
HC
Heycameraman HC
Not alot of activity at #LisaIrwin home. bit.ly/oMWTh3 (http://bit.ly/oMWTh3)
4 hours ago

http://twitter.com/#!/heycameraman (http://twitter.com/#!/heycameraman)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 05:11:17 PM
Eric Chaloux
EricKCTV5 Eric Chaloux
Now a crime scene van has pulled up to #LisaIrwin home. Half dozen detectives in backyard. You can hear a clanging sound of glass bottles.
24 minutes ago
Eric Chaloux
EricKCTV5 Eric Chaloux
Cops back at #LisaIrwin home in KC. Detective back behind house. You can't see what he's doing.
1 hour ago
Eric Chaloux
EricKCTV5 Eric Chaloux
TIPS Hotline says about 1,000 phone calls on #LisaIrwin case. A couple hundred have turned into tips. Calls as far as Hawaii.

http://twitter.com/#!/EricKCTV5 (http://twitter.com/#!/EricKCTV5)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 10, 2011, 05:14:47 PM
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/10/5e452fe3-9766-4bc7-932a-a080248ab353_400.jpg)
Another view of investigators searching the backyard.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 3:06 PM

(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/10/dc480e18-792e-4625-8879-0247d14fe095_400.jpg)
Police return to the Irwin home to search the backyard.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 3:06 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aPaRweiy


I think thats a big pair of shoes he's carrying back there....hmmm wonder who has big feets...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 10, 2011, 05:17:43 PM
Thank you JerseyGirl for the tweets  ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 05:22:13 PM
NewsChopper back yard view of Irwins Home..

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aPOMsv8E

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/ViewfromNewChopper-backofirwinHome-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 10, 2011, 05:23:54 PM
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aPOMsv8E

pictures of search here; in Irwin's garage under house, backyard, and neighbors backyard.

There is some speculation on other sites that the teen neighbor who had dna taken lives there; if facing front of Irwin's to the left.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 10, 2011, 05:45:02 PM
http://www.facebook.com/JaneVelezMitchellHLN (http://www.facebook.com/JaneVelezMitchellHLN)
Issues with Jane Velez-Mitchell
Cops search a landfill and creek for a beautiful 10-month-old baby girl. Her parents claim she was kidnapped from her own bedroom! Where is baby Lisa? TONIGHT: We’ll talk to a women who knows the baby’s father!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 10, 2011, 05:49:18 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/10/3199043/kc-police-search-backyard-of-missing.html#ixzz1aPx7LRel
Posted on Mon, Oct. 10, 2011 04:32 PM
KC police search backyard of missing infant’s home
By GLENN E RICE and ROBERT A. CRONKLETON
The Kansas City Star

 ::snipping2::
Also Monday, reports surfaced of a homeless man seen in the area in the weeks leading up to the possible kidnapping of the 10-month-old Irwin from her Kansas City, North home in the 3600 block of North Lister Avenue.

Norval C. Nichols, who lives about a block from Lisa’s home, said that police showed him a photograph last week of the homeless man and asked about any possible connection to the missing child. Nichols described the homeless man as being in his 20s, with brownish blond hair and a clean appearance. The man once was seen in the neighborhood riding a red bicycle, he said.

Nichols said he also saw the man about a week or two before Lisa was reported missing but not afterward. The two men spoke briefly at a nearby park weeks ago. The man told Nichols that he was looking for a job or any handy jobs in the neighborhood.

“He made me feel real uncomfortable,” Nichols said. “Something was not right, so I eased off from him.”

Nichols said he recognized the man when police showed him the photograph.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/10/3199043/kc-police-search-backyard-of-missing.html#ixzz1aPy2bi28




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 05:55:45 PM
EricKCTV5 Eric Chaloux
#LisaIrwin CSI tech had a camera in backyard at family's home. He left. Detectives remain. Now searching neighbor's property.
3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

http://twitter.com/#!/EricKCTV5 (http://twitter.com/#!/EricKCTV5)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 06:15:26 PM
KCPhotog_Justin Justin Schmidt
About a half dozen investigators just left the #LisaIrwin home, didn't see any evidence being taken with them.
7 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

http://twitter.com/#!/KCPhotog_Justin (http://twitter.com/#!/KCPhotog_Justin)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 10, 2011, 06:17:56 PM
Going back to the man who claimed to have seen a man holding a baby at 1 AM in the morning with only a diaper:

I know LE stated that the story "did not pan out". I wish LE would say "why" that did not pan out. I watched the interview with the wife of this man. I want to know if they actually saw this or did they lie about it to insert themselves into the case. I gleaned some info about them and they are a normal young family with their own small children. I do not believe they would lie about something like that. Come on LE can't you elaborate if this had nothing to do with baby Lisa?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 10, 2011, 06:31:24 PM
Just thinking outloud:
I find it odd that if the "Irwin's" car had been broken into a month ago, that "MOM" and "DAD" would not be obsessed with making sure their own house was locked and secure before going to bed......


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Pattianne on October 10, 2011, 06:32:45 PM
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1208764392001/exclusive-parents-of-missing-baby-lisa-speak-out/?playlist_id=87485
Exclusive: Parents of Missing Baby Lisa Speak Out
Oct 9, 2011- 4:08 -
Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin sit down with Judge Jeanine Pirro

Video at link.

A few observations:

1)  It's amazing how quickly she is able to compose herself after she bursts into tears.
2)  She looks at him often, while she is telling her story, like she is looking for reassurance from him.  Why?

I keep watching this tape over and over because I'm confused.  At one point Deborah says that on that night she left the computer room window open.  At another point she says that they almost never leaves the windows open, except their bedroom because it's high off the ground and not often she leaves the windows cracked in the boys room.  When Jeremy comes home he asks her why is the screen popped out.  Wouldn't he first ask why the window is open? 

I could be totally confused about this point.


She also appears to contradict herself regarding security and safety.  First, she says that they hardly ever leave the windows open at night.  Then she said she doesn't remember if the front door was locked or unlocked?  I know that in small towns people often leave their homes and cars unlocked.  That being said, the front door uncertainty is feasible.  However, if it is no biggie leaving it unlocked, why then make a big deal about the windows hardly ever being left open at night?  She actually states that they feel comfortable leaving their bedroom window open since it's high off the ground.  This would indicate that she has security concerns, but then she doesn't make sure the front door is locked?  That doesn't make any sense.  Very fishy that.

That a great point about remembering specifically that she left the computer room window open but can't remember if she locked the front door.

I just don't like the explanations of the happenings of that night.  Though I'm aware that everyone acts differently, I can't see putting a 10 month old baby, who has a cough and a cold, to bed and shutting the door.  Even with a monitor in the room.  Given the fact that Lisa was sick, why not just leave the door open?  If all of the lights being on in the house didn't wake her up, I doubt that a noise from a monitor would.  I wonder if Lisa was taking any medication for her cold.  That can be easily checked by LE.  But that would be another worry to me if she was, in fact, kidnapped.  I would worry if she was being treated for her cold - I would be frantic with fear.

As for Jeremy, his baby daughter is allegedly kidnapped yet I have not once seen this man lift his eyes.  He doesn't look at Deborah, the camera or the interviewer. 

Also, the cell phones.  All three of them - how convenient.

I think there is a reason LE keeps returning to that house.  They are sure looking for something.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 10, 2011, 06:32:47 PM
Just thinking outloud:
I find it odd that if the "Irwin's" car had been broken into a month ago, that "MOM" and "DAD" would not be obsessed with making sure their own house was locked and secure before going to bed......

UGH......I meant "would be obsessed"


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 10, 2011, 06:37:42 PM
And the whole dog not barking is crazy unless they tune out all the neighborhood dogs barking.

Our black Lab barks if she hears a frog fart in the backyard.....lol ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 10, 2011, 07:34:57 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/clay-co.-subpoenas-nbc-action-news-footage-in-irwin-case (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/clay-co.-subpoenas-nbc-action-news-footage-in-irwin-case)

(http://media2.nbcactionnews.com//photo/2011/10/10/SUBPOENA_20111010181322_320_240.JPG)

Clay Co. subpoenas NBC Action News footage in Irwin case


Posted: 6:15 PM

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Early Monday evening NBC Action News received a grand jury subpoena in relation to the search for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin search.

The Clay County Prosecutor's Office is asking for specific footage.

The office has requested any raw video of any interviews given by family, friends of family and neighbors regarding the missing girl.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 10, 2011, 07:39:05 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15655082/hope-does-not-fade-in-search-for-baby-lisa (http://www.kctv5.com/story/15655082/hope-does-not-fade-in-search-for-baby-lisa)

Police searching backyard of neighbor to missing baby

Posted: Oct 10, 2011 4:42 AM PDT Updated: Oct 10, 2011 2:26 PM PDT
By Chris Oberholtz, Multimedia Producer - email
By Eric Chaloux, Reporter - bio | email
By Nima Shaffe, Multi-Media Journalist - email

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

The search for Lisa Irwin is now in its seventh day, and an entire neighborhood continues to hope for good news.

"Everybody is praying for her," said Jasmine Thach, who lives near Lisa Irwin's Northland home.

This comes as police investigating Lisa's disappearance searched a neighbor's backyard Monday.

A makeshift tribute to Lisa has sprung up at Chelsea Avenue and Lister Street near her home. Thach dropped off a stuffed bear Monday.

"It's sad," she said. "You need to go down there and give some love."

Lisa, who turns 11 months old on Tuesday, was last seen a week ago. Her mother, Deborah Bradley, says she put the baby down about 10:30 p.m. last Monday. Her father, Jeremy Irwin, reported her missing at 4 a.m. Tuesday. He said he found her crib empty when he came home for work.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: ospainter on October 10, 2011, 07:44:11 PM
EricKCTV5 Eric Chaloux
A grand jury will hear evidence in #LisaIrwin case.KCTV5 asked to provide interviews and video. twitpic.com/6yir5i (http://twitpic.com/6yir5i)
Edit to add hyperlink to twitpic to make it clickable.  MB

Hope I linked that correctly.

OS


Edit to add link MB http://twitter.com/#!/EricKCTV5 (http://twitter.com/#!/EricKCTV5)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Pattianne on October 10, 2011, 07:57:50 PM
EricKCTV5 Eric Chaloux Edit to add link MB: http://twitter.com/#!/EricKCTV5
A grand jury will hear evidence in #LisaIrwin case.KCTV5 asked to provide interviews and video. twitpic.com/6yir5i

Hope I linked that correctly.

OS


Here you go ospainter -

http://www.chathousenews.com/ Thank you for trying, but it was a twitter link that's needed. MB  http://twitter.com/#!/EricKCTV5
 (http://twitter.com/#!/EricKCTV5)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Gypsy DD on October 10, 2011, 07:58:43 PM
PeterAlexander Peter Alexander

Detectives now combing #LisaIrwin garage & drainage ditch behind home for evidence. yfrog.com/j2mewfwj (http://yfrog.com/j2mewfwj)

http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander)


I don't mean to be cynical and admit I am still catching up..but ...sin't this  just a tad stupid at this oint..why wasn't this done at the start..wouldn't you first check the family home, their backyard, the neighbors,,and any property inbetween...

Sorry ..I think that LE in this case lost it big time..too much time..too little effort in the search of the home and neighborhoos..while focusing on the parents..which it could be..but by now..whomever was involved has removed whatever evidence was left behind..just too sad and too ineffective of the LE for me..what were they thinking..the child would appear on her own..no wait one of the parents would confess...sloppy LE work in my opinion.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 10, 2011, 08:18:27 PM
CNN Headline news Jane: 1398 Sex Offenders in Kansas City, MO alone ::MonkeyEek::

Who in h*** would want to live in a city like that?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 10, 2011, 08:18:47 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/clay-co.-subpoenas-nbc-action-news-footage-in-irwin-case
Posted: 10/10/2011

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Early Monday evening NBC Action News received a grand jury subpoena in relation to the search for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin search.

The Clay County Prosecutor's Office is asking for specific footage.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/clay-co.-subpoenas-nbc-action-news-footage-in-irwin-case#ixzz1aQZ9dbvV

Subpoena   http://media2.nbcactionnews.com/NWT/pdf/20111010_KSHBIrwinSubpoena_1.pdf


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 10, 2011, 08:23:36 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/clay-co.-subpoenas-nbc-action-news-footage-in-irwin-case (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/clay-co.-subpoenas-nbc-action-news-footage-in-irwin-case)

(http://media2.nbcactionnews.com//photo/2011/10/10/SUBPOENA_20111010181322_320_240.JPG)

Clay Co. subpoenas NBC Action News footage in Irwin case


Posted: 6:15 PM

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Early Monday evening NBC Action News received a grand jury subpoena in relation to the search for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin search.

The Clay County Prosecutor's Office is asking for specific footage.

The office has requested any raw video of any interviews given by family, friends of family and neighbors regarding the missing girl.
 ::snipping2::


Is it normal/common for LE to request interview videos?  And why just NBC?  Why not the other networks?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 10, 2011, 08:29:48 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/clay-co.-subpoenas-nbc-action-news-footage-in-irwin-case (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/clay-co.-subpoenas-nbc-action-news-footage-in-irwin-case)

(http://media2.nbcactionnews.com//photo/2011/10/10/SUBPOENA_20111010181322_320_240.JPG)

Clay Co. subpoenas NBC Action News footage in Irwin case


Posted: 6:15 PM

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Early Monday evening NBC Action News received a grand jury subpoena in relation to the search for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin search.

The Clay County Prosecutor's Office is asking for specific footage.

The office has requested any raw video of any interviews given by family, friends of family and neighbors regarding the missing girl.
 ::snipping2::


Is it normal/common for LE to request interview videos?  And why just NBC?  Why not the other networks?
NBC had many exclusive interviews. I wonder if they want to review consistencies in the stories, maybe view people around the scene early while news crews were on scene. It is interesting.....

Another thing I wonder is how Mom was dressed when LE showed up after they called 911. Was she in PJs or street clothes. Might not mean anything but who knows....


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 09:14:06 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/clay-co.-subpoenas-nbc-action-news-footage-in-irwin-case (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/clay-co.-subpoenas-nbc-action-news-footage-in-irwin-case)

(http://media2.nbcactionnews.com//photo/2011/10/10/SUBPOENA_20111010181322_320_240.JPG)

Clay Co. subpoenas NBC Action News footage in Irwin case


Posted: 6:15 PM

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Early Monday evening NBC Action News received a grand jury subpoena in relation to the search for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin search.

The Clay County Prosecutor's Office is asking for specific footage.

The office has requested any raw video of any interviews given by family, friends of family and neighbors regarding the missing girl.
 ::snipping2::


Is it normal/common for LE to request interview videos?  And why just NBC?  Why not the other networks?
NBC had many exclusive interviews. I wonder if they want to review consistencies in the stories, maybe view people around the scene early while news crews were on scene. It is interesting.....

Another thing I wonder is how Mom was dressed when LE showed up after they called 911. Was she in PJs or street clothes. Might not mean anything but who knows....

The only thing I found with what Deborah was wearing.. Plaid cotton PJ's.. Screen shot not that good..
(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/deborahclothing.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Gypsy DD on October 10, 2011, 09:25:14 PM
What I find odd is two things..a grand jury requested the subpeone for the footage..is that normal in their state.it isn't in mine..normally a judgee is able to request that with enough evidence, like a search warrant so to speak, from the LE..no need to have a grand jury make that request.

Secondly..wouldn't LE have access tot hat already?  I just never heard of a grand jury requesting specific footage unless they were already convened and working on the case...not saying they are..and different states hold different reasons for GJ requests..but really..I would think someone in LE would be in charge of gathering all newscasts, interviews, articles etc...that it wouldn't take a GJ to get a copy.  The only thing I can come up with is that LE think there is more to the interview then just what was published in the news..meaning there was editorial work done and they want to hear and see the whole deal uncensored by the station.  Meaning they are looking for certain people or they just want to see who was there..and everything that was said.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 10, 2011, 09:26:18 PM
Thanks so much Jersey! ::MonkeyAngel::
I am assuming that was on the first day of baby Lisa missing.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 09:27:22 PM
Thanks so much Jersey! ::MonkeyAngel::
I am assuming that was on the first day of baby Lisa missing.

Yes 1st day..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 10, 2011, 09:28:06 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23LisaIrwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23LisaIrwin)



Michigangal30Anne Hillebrand

Chat House News: #LisaIrwin: A Look Inside the Home http://bit.ly/om5DzD video

5 minutes ago


francine069Francine Baranello
@

@EricKCTV5 Why are they waiting till October 18th to get this info for the grand jury. Seems a long wait to help #lisairwin

5 minutes ago
 


kshbphotogBrandon Billinger
@
@BroadcastKC can't speak on why the issues them but they are for all the raw video of the interviews we have done regarding #LisaIrwin

31 minutes ago
 


PeterAlexanderPeter Alexander

#BREAKING #KansasCity police say parents of missing 10-month-old girl, #LisaIrwin have stopped cooperating with police.

6 Oct

Retweeted 100+ times
 



Michigangal30Anne Hillebrand

Chat House News: Clay Co. subpoenas NBC Action News footage in Irwin case http://bit.ly/nPJWeM #LisaIrwin

37 minutes ago
 


SylkynStacey L
Rapidly obsessing over the #LisaIrwin missing child from Missouri scenario. I read way too many message boards.

46 minutes ago
 

»
 
kshbphotogBrandon Billinger

Spoke with Paul Morrison about what the subpeonas mean the tv stations received in the #LisaIrwin story this afternoon. @NBCActionNews

52 minutes ago
 



NimaKCTV5Nima Shaffe

#LisaIrwin...Day7 for missing baby #LisaIrwin and still no hard leads in the case. Continue to keep it on @KCTV5 and KCTV5.com 4 the latest.

1 hour ago
 



EricKCTV5Eric Chaloux

A grand jury will hear evidence in #LisaIrwin case.KCTV5 asked to provide interviews and video. http://twitpic.com/6yir5i

1 hour ago
 


HeycameramanHC

Done for the day covering #LisaIrwin. @kmbc for the latest info. Back at it 2morrow. Prayers for #BabyLisa

1 hour ago
 


CaseSignalCase Signal (BeanE)

Police Back at Home of Kansas City Missing Baby Lisa Irwin - ABC News #lisairwin >> http://abcn.ws/qXw9XS

2 hours ago


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 10, 2011, 09:35:02 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15661276/kctv5-receives-subpoeana-in-search-for-baby-lisa

KCTV5 receives grand jury subpoena in search for baby Lisa

By DeAnn Smith, Digital Content ManagerLIBERTY, MO (KCTV) -
 ::snipping2::
The Clay County Prosecutor's Office has served a grand jury subpoena on KCTV5 as part of the investigation into the disappearance of baby Lisa Irwin.
 
KCTV received the subpoena late Monday afternoon. Prosecutors asked KCTV5 for "all footage, including raw footage of any interviews or statements given by neighbors, family or friends of the family, regarding missing baby Lisa Irwin."
 ::snipping2::
KCTV5 was ordered to bring the footage to the "Grand Jury Room" at the Clay County Courthouse on 9 a.m. Oct. 18.
 
Management at KCTV5 has turned over the subpoena to our attorneys. We do not know what this development means in this case, including what a grand jury could be considering.
 
At least one other media outlet reported receiving on Monday a grand jury subpoena from the Clay County Prosecutor's Office.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 10, 2011, 09:35:37 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/video?clipId=6321859&autostart=true

Yep knew I saw black shoes in that detectives hands, in this video he has boots similar to the ones Dad has on in a video.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 09:54:34 PM
Thank Trimmonthelake for the picture of the backyard showing the Lamp Posts.
Front door had light.. Another picture of street light from other direct across the street from the home..

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/streetlight2.jpg)

I thought I saw it mentioned somewhere that the blue plastic recycling bin was missing (not sure if it was missing from the Irwin house or another house).  But you can clearly see one here in this photo.  And the birds eye view on Bing maps shows it sitting out at the end of the drive.  I'm curious if the bin was taken by a person when they took little Lisa if they used it to lay her in so no one would see them carrying a child?  This doesn't help with clues to find here really but just pondering...

It appears the blue bins in the front of the home were not missing.. See video..
Video 1.35 mark on the blue bins

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/family-keeps-watch-at-house-where-infant-was-last-seen%2C-fbi-searches-homes-in-neighborhood

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/BlueBins.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 10, 2011, 10:10:44 PM
PeterAlexander Peter Alexander

Detectives now combing #LisaIrwin garage & drainage ditch behind home for evidence. yfrog.com/j2mewfwj (http://yfrog.com/j2mewfwj)

http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander)


I don't mean to be cynical and admit I am still catching up..but ...sin't this  just a tad stupid at this oint..why wasn't this done at the start..wouldn't you first check the family home, their backyard, the neighbors,,and any property inbetween...

Sorry ..I think that LE in this case lost it big time..too much time..too little effort in the search of the home and neighborhoos..while focusing on the parents..which it could be..but by now..whomever was involved has removed whatever evidence was left behind..just too sad and too ineffective of the LE for me..what were they thinking..the child would appear on her own..no wait one of the parents would confess...sloppy LE work in my opinion.
We really don;'t know what LE has searched or the number of times certain areas were searched.  This may not be a first search.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 10:23:40 PM
KCTV5 receives grand jury subpoena in search for baby Lisa...

Posted: Oct 10, 2011 9:13 PM EDT Updated: Oct 10, 2011 9:22 PM EDT
By DeAnn Smith, Digital Content Manager -

LIBERTY, MO (KCTV) -

The Clay County Prosecutor's Office has served a grand jury subpoena on KCTV5 as part of the investigation into the disappearance of baby Lisa Irwin.

KCTV received the subpoena late Monday afternoon. Prosecutors asked KCTV5 for "all footage, including raw footage of any interviews or statements given by neighbors, family or friends of the family, regarding missing baby Lisa Irwin."

Lisa, who turns 11 months old on Tuesday, was reported missing by her parents at 4 a.m. last Tuesday. Her mother said she checked on Lisa about 10:30 p.m. Monday, Oct. 3. Her father said he discovered his daughter missing when he came home from an overnight job about 4 a.m. Oct. 4.

Her parents say a kidnapper snatched Lisa from her crib inside the family's home in the 3600 block of North Lister Avenue in the Northland. Kansas City police issued an Amber Alert three hours later, which was later canceled. The parents say police seem to believe they are responsible for their daughter's disappearance, which they have denied.

KCTV5 was ordered to bring the footage to the "Grand Jury Room" at the Clay County Courthouse on 9 a.m. Oct. 18.

Management at KCTV5 has turned over the subpoena to our attorneys. We do not know what this development means in this case, including what a grand jury could be considering.


http://www.kctv5.com/story/15661276/kctv5-receives-subpoeana-in-search-for-baby-lisa


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 10:33:08 PM
I dont under stand the certain news stations interviews, footages , statements being subpeona for Grand Jury?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 10:37:58 PM
DeAnnSmithkc DeAnn Smith
One thought on the grand jury....gives an opportunity to get people on the record with specifics under penalty of perjury
21 minutes ago

DeAnn Smith
DeAnnSmithkc DeAnn Smith
@
@storewide Don't know who Lisa Parscale is but re that tip...police say checked into it and didn't get anything on it to go on
22 minutes ago

DeAnn Smith
DeAnnSmithkc DeAnn Smith
Thank you @bhindepmo @nimakctv5 and @markvanbaale for #lisairwin RTs
43 minutes ago

DeAnn Smith
DeAnnSmithkc DeAnn Smith
@
@tarakcmo I think your question is answered in the story. Let me know if it's not! :)
48 minutes ago

DeAnn Smith
DeAnnSmithkc DeAnn Smith
@KrisColvin: the kctv5 subpoena is included in article I just sent out if you want to look at it.
55 minutes ago

DeAnn Smith
DeAnnSmithkc DeAnn Smith
BREAKING: Clay County grand jury will explore disappearance of baby #lisairwin bit.ly/oTElXf (http://bit.ly/oTElXf) Added hyperlink to this so it's clickable. MB
57 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/DeAnnSmithkc (http://twitter.com/#!/DeAnnSmithkc)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 10, 2011, 10:53:43 PM
The subpoenas for raw footage could be to compare what people have said in interviews, and what they have said under police interrogation.

I remember a news outlet quoting Jeremy saying that he discovered Lisa missing, and he went knocking on neighbors door asking them if they had seen her.

Which is weird, because if a neighbor had seen a baby crawling around, they would've contacted the parents or the police. Plus, Lisa is in no shape to get out of her crib, crawl to the door, open the door and craw out to a neighbor's.

Well, it's not probable, though possible.

This means a grand jury will overhear the case and recommend action, or not.

Not a peep from the parents today, maybe they are taking another rest day?



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on October 10, 2011, 11:14:13 PM
Tonight CNN reported that search # 2 was underway, directly behind the Irwin home. There is a creek located there.

IMO just speculating, I think that the Mother did something accidentally &
then disposed of the baby.

There can't be another Zanny in Kansas ??

My heart breaks for these children.
IF a parent does not want their child,
drop it off at Children's Services, a Fire Dept., a church, any place,
but do not harm them.

How many times have parents harmed their children & we blogged about
it, and how many more will there be ?  ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 10, 2011, 11:22:17 PM
Now there's news of a missing local handyman and the use of metal detectors.

Police re-enact possible kidnapping (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44843610/ns/today-today_news/t/police-re-enact-how-baby-could-have-been-taken-home/#.TpOxZq6unN4)

 ::snipping2::
Quote
Detectives also went door to door asking neighbors about a local handyman who hasn't been seen since the infant vanished, NBC News reported. In addition, investigators used metal detectors to scan the family's yard, and again searched a local landfill in a hunt for clues to the baby's disappearance.
::snipping2::

Sounds like they're onto something.  The handyman issue should be quick to sort out if folks have his number.  But since LE is asking about him, he must not be answering his calls.

Why metal detectors?  What kind of clue would result in the employment of that type of investigative tool?

*sigh*  I sure hope she's found soon.  A week with no sign of her lessens the chance that she was abducted.   ::MonkeyTears::


 ::MonkeyAngel::  God bless you little Lisa.  I wish you and all other missing persons a safe return home.   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 10, 2011, 11:28:06 PM
 ::snipping2::
There can't be another Zanny in Kansas ??
::snipping2::

No, but according to Spookeo err, Spokeo there's 78 or so ladies named "Zenaida Gonzales" scattered across the United States.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 10, 2011, 11:31:07 PM
Tonight CNN reported that search # 2 was underway, directly behind the Irwin home. There is a creek located there.

IMO just speculating, I think that the Mother did something accidentally &
then disposed of the baby.

There can't be another Zanny in Kansas ??

My heart breaks for these children.
IF a parent does not want their child,
drop it off at Children's Services, a Fire Dept., a church, any place,
but do not harm them.

How many times have parents harmed their children & we blogged about
it, and how many more will there be ?  ::MonkeyMad::



Good evening Monkey's,

A hospital is about three miles from the parents home, if baby Lisa had an accident or was being over medicated, she could have been saved, maybe.  I am speculating :(


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: 4 Donks on October 10, 2011, 11:36:23 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/clay-co.-subpoenas-nbc-action-news-footage-in-irwin-case

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Early Monday evening NBC Action News received a grand jury subpoena in relation to the search for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin search.

The Clay County Prosecutor's Office is asking for specific footage.

The office has requested any raw video of any interviews given by family, friends of family and neighbors regarding the missing girl.

Other media outlets have also been served including CNN.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/clay-co.-subpoenas-nbc-action-news-footage-in-irwin-case#ixzz1aRNUR717


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Pattianne on October 10, 2011, 11:36:33 PM
It's puzzling to me as to why LE is using metal detectors on the lawns surrounding the house.  The only thing I can possibly think they are looking for are the three missing cell phones.  But if they were buried on the property I would think that they could easily detect the dirt being disturbed.  So what could they be looking for with metal detectors?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 11:37:31 PM
MatthewKC MatthewKC
Interesting: Mother of #LisaIrwin seen buying wine with "unidentified male" afternoon before baby disappeared. tinyurl.com/3wo53kw
9 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/MatthewKC
 (http://twitter.com/#!/MatthewKC)

EricKCTV5 Eric Chaloux
Now a crime scene van has pulled up to #LisaIrwin home. Half dozen detectives in backyard. You can hear a clanging sound of glass bottles.

http://twitter.com/#!/EricKCTV5 (http://twitter.com/#!/EricKCTV5)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: ospainter on October 10, 2011, 11:49:10 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-review-grocery-surveillance-deborah-bradley-20111010,0,3702048.story

Police Review Surveillance Video of Missing Baby's Mother

Eric Burke, FOX 4 News Christie Walton Web Producer

9:30 p.m. CDT, October 10, 2011
KANSAS CITY, Mo.—
Monday marks the seventh day of the search for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin. Police found a receipt from the Festival Foods Store at I-35 & Chouteau during one of their searches. It gives investigators an idea of Lisa's mother, Deborah Bradley was doing hours before the child disappeared. FOX 4's Eric Burke has the latest on the search for the missing baby.

Video at link

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 10, 2011, 11:50:27 PM
Police Review Surveillance Video of Missing Baby's Mother.. Video and Article..

Eric Burke, FOX 4 News Christie Walton Web Producer

9:30 p.m. CDT, October 10, 2011
KANSAS CITY, Mo.—
Monday marks the seventh day of the search for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin. Police found a receipt from the Festival Foods Store at I-35 & Chouteau during one of their searches. It gives investigators an idea of Lisa's mother, Deborah Bradley was doing hours before the child disappeared. FOX 4's Eric Burke has the latest on the search for the missing baby.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-review-grocery-surveillance-deborah-bradley-20111010,0,3702048.story?track=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wdaf-news+%28FOX4KC+Local+News%29


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: yuknomenot on October 11, 2011, 12:05:04 AM
It's puzzling to me as to why LE is using metal detectors on the lawns surrounding the house.  The only thing I can possibly think they are looking for are the three missing cell phones.  But if they were buried on the property I would think that they could easily detect the dirt being disturbed.  So what could they be looking for with metal detectors?
SIM cards?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Pattianne on October 11, 2011, 12:08:05 AM
It's puzzling to me as to why LE is using metal detectors on the lawns surrounding the house.  The only thing I can possibly think they are looking for are the three missing cell phones.  But if they were buried on the property I would think that they could easily detect the dirt being disturbed.  So what could they be looking for with metal detectors?
SIM cards?

Very true.  I never thought of that.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 11, 2011, 12:19:51 AM
Just Thinking Outloud..

Was this unidentified male walking down street with a baby seen by neighbors the same  unidentified male with her in the store... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 11, 2011, 12:24:11 AM
Who was with the children when she was in the store with unidentified male.. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 11, 2011, 12:27:15 AM
Police Review Surveillance Video of Missing Baby's Mother.. Video and Article..

Eric Burke, FOX 4 News Christie Walton Web Producer

9:30 p.m. CDT, October 10, 2011
KANSAS CITY, Mo.—
Monday marks the seventh day of the search for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin. Police found a receipt from the Festival Foods Store at I-35 & Chouteau during one of their searches. It gives investigators an idea of Lisa's mother, Deborah Bradley was doing hours before the child disappeared. FOX 4's Eric Burke has the latest on the search for the missing baby.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-review-grocery-surveillance-deborah-bradley-20111010,0,3702048.story?track=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wdaf-news+%28FOX4KC+Local+News%29

The mother and an unidentified man were seen buying a BOX of wine?  On a Tuesday night?  On a night that her child is sick?  Not a bottle...a BOX. 

Do we know if she drank that night?  Why is the man unidentified?  Who was watching the kids?   ::MonkeyEek:: 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 11, 2011, 12:29:03 AM
Just Thinking Outloud..

Was this unidentified male walking down street with a baby seen by neighbors the same  unidentified male with her in the store... ::MonkeyEek::

Interesting thought.  Why are they calling this man unidentified?  Is it because they don't know who he is or because he does not want his name revealed?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 11, 2011, 12:29:30 AM
I'm a little confused here with this wine-buying trip.

I have read a few posts saying that Monday was the brother's birthday party and the family had a get-together. I assume a little wine is okay for the adults at a party.

In other posts I read that the birthday was two days before.

I have searched that and all articles I found spoke of the nice pictures of Lisa taken during her brother's birthday party, but no specific date.

Also... does the surveillance tape/receipt show a time when she was buying the stuff?

Could it be she was buying the stuff for the party?




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 11, 2011, 12:35:25 AM
I'm a little confused here with this wine-buying trip.

I have read a few posts saying that Monday was the brother's birthday party and the family had a get-together. I assume a little wine is okay for the adults at a party.

In other posts I read that the birthday was two days before.

I have searched that and all articles I found spoke of the nice pictures of Lisa taken during her brother's birthday party, but no specific date.

Also... does the surveillance tape/receipt show a time when she was buying the stuff?

Could it be she was buying the stuff for the party?




In the video 5 hours before Bradley said she put the baby to bed..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 11, 2011, 12:38:38 AM
Photo of back of property (hope I get this right..)

(http://gisweb.claycogov.com/realEstate/realEPhoto2?imgFullNm=181\150\014\005\00-05.jpg)

(http://gisweb.claycogov.com/realEstate/realEPhoto2?imgFullNm=181\150\014\005\00-04.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 11, 2011, 12:39:36 AM
I'm a little confused here with this wine-buying trip.

I have read a few posts saying that Monday was the brother's birthday party and the family had a get-together. I assume a little wine is okay for the adults at a party.

In other posts I read that the birthday was two days before.

I have searched that and all articles I found spoke of the nice pictures of Lisa taken during her brother's birthday party, but no specific date.

Also... does the surveillance tape/receipt show a time when she was buying the stuff?

Could it be she was buying the stuff for the party?




Baby Lisa birthday party was a couple of days before.. Deborah did not mention anything about her attending her brother's birthday party that dayor evening ..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 11, 2011, 01:29:08 AM
http://gisweb.claycogov.com/realEstate/realEPhoto2?imgFullNm=181\150\014\005\00-04.jpg (http://gisweb.claycogov.com/realEstate/realEPhoto2?imgFullNm=181\150\014\005\00-04.jpg)

http://gisweb.claycogov.com/realEstate/realEPhoto2?imgFullNm=181\150\014\005\00-05.jpg  (http://gisweb.claycogov.com/realEstate/realEPhoto2?imgFullNm=181\150\014\005\00-05.jpg)

*MODS* Can you please delete my last 2 attempts (above this post) to post these pics, I failed miserably... Done.  MB

http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff400/smonkjustice/Lisa%20Irwin/jirwinrealEPhoto2.jpg[/img]](http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff400/smonkjustice/Lisa%20Irwin/jirwinrealEPhoto2.jpg)  (http://[IMG)

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Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 11, 2011, 01:32:28 AM
MatthewKC MatthewKC
Interesting: Mother of #LisaIrwin seen buying wine with "unidentified male" afternoon before baby disappeared. tinyurl.com/3wo53kw
9 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/MatthewKC
 (http://twitter.com/#!/MatthewKC)

EricKCTV5 Eric Chaloux
Now a crime scene van has pulled up to #LisaIrwin home. Half dozen detectives in backyard. You can hear a clanging sound of glass bottles.

http://twitter.com/#!/EricKCTV5 (http://twitter.com/#!/EricKCTV5)





Looking for DNA to determine for sure who this unidentified man is?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 11, 2011, 01:41:12 AM
MatthewKC MatthewKC
Interesting: Mother of #LisaIrwin seen buying wine with "unidentified male" afternoon before baby disappeared. tinyurl.com/3wo53kw
9 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/MatthewKC
 (http://twitter.com/#!/MatthewKC)

EricKCTV5 Eric Chaloux
Now a crime scene van has pulled up to #LisaIrwin home. Half dozen detectives in backyard. You can hear a clanging sound of glass bottles.

http://twitter.com/#!/EricKCTV5 (http://twitter.com/#!/EricKCTV5)





Looking for DNA to determine for sure who this unidentified man is?

Yep.. That what is going around in tweeterland..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 11, 2011, 01:42:36 AM
Thanks cartfly.. Great pictures of backyard..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 11, 2011, 01:54:41 AM
The picture cartfly posted it likes as though there are 2 dogs in backyard..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: beth1970 on October 11, 2011, 02:00:54 AM
By seeing the re-creation of the window entry, we can eliminate 1/3 of the suspects.
The obese.
No way a fat person's butt can fit through the opening.

Also, the stature challenged.
The short people.
Unless the person had someone's help getting up there, or something to stoop on, there's no way a short person can climb in.

Also, those activity challenged.
The elderly, handicapped, couch potatoes.
The window is sort of narrow, and steep, only someone in good physical shape can get in.

We can assume the alleged intruder did NOT enter through the window.





well, we can rule me out!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: ISpy on October 11, 2011, 02:32:55 AM
Catching up on little Lisa Irwin.  Thinking out loud here, but if an intruder entered through the open computer room window, wouldn't there be soil particles/crushed grass residue on the computer room floor (or carpet)? How about a pattern of crushed grass/imprint of item used to climb on outside of that window too?  How about video surveillance footage from the commercial electrical job that Jeremy Irwin allegedly worked on the night of October 2nd-morning October 3rd?  Has the business owner/manager/employee who disarmed the business' security system and/or let Irwin in come forward to confirm his work alibi? Is Irwin self-employed or did he use a company vehicle?  Has it been checked?  Wonder if the boys remember the lights being on or off when they went to bed? Wonder if any of the neighbors noticed the lights being on or off when they went to bed?

Glad to see so many of you had the same logistical issues with an intruder: getting in that window; getting in noiselessly with a black lab mix; turning on all the lights; ferreting out the cell phones; and either getting Lisa out the same window or taking her out the suspiciously unlocked front door in full view of the street.  Kidnappers typically follow that M.O., don'tcha know...NOT. This story (and I do mean, story) seems to be taking on a life of its own the longer it goes.  The Irwins seem to have a ready answer for everything. Sorry, but I'm not buyin'. If this went down the way they say it did, the details would be clearly etched in both of their memories, due to the chemicals released in an emergency situation. The heightened senses of sight, smell, and hearing alone would inscribe the events on their brain.  They should be able to "see" it all perfectly, with their eyes closed and describe it coherently and fluidly. I'm not seeing that. I see and hear hemming, hawing, and lots of fumbling.

Why would Jeremy Irwin include on his list of suspects, people who cheated on their spouses? Is that a veiled message to Deborah? I get the "got to be strong for my wife" thing, but as another monkey pointed out, where's the anger?  There should be anger that someone stole their child.  Moreover, there should be significant worry that a kidnapper has their sick baby. Sick babies run fevers...kidnappers are usually a tad too paranoid to go buy Infant Tylenol or Motrin. Just sayin'

Waaaay more questions than details or viable answers in this case.  JMO


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: BabsKats on October 11, 2011, 02:42:50 AM
I'm a little confused here with this wine-buying trip.

I have read a few posts saying that Monday was the brother's birthday party and the family had a get-together. I assume a little wine is okay for the adults at a party.

In other posts I read that the birthday was two days before.

I have searched that and all articles I found spoke of the nice pictures of Lisa taken during her brother's birthday party, but no specific date.

Also... does the surveillance tape/receipt show a time when she was buying the stuff?

Could it be she was buying the stuff for the party?



Here is the info posted about the Birthday party:



 Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
« Reply #427 on: October 07, 2011, 06:00:04 PM » Quote 

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https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall&filter=1


Quote
David Lee Netz Jr.
Here is a quick note about the 3 missing cell phones. Debbie's cell phone had been acting up and the speakers and microphone on it were continually only working intermittently. So Sunday October 2 when Debbie, Jeremy, Blake, Michael, and Lisa came over to Debbie's grandparents (My Mom and Dad) house to celebrate Blake's birthday my Dad gave Debbie his old plain jane phone that has NO way to collect contact information on it. Debbie transferred the service from her old phone to the one that my Dad (her Grandpa) gave her. When she went home later that night she had both of her phones out and started coping numbers one by one into the phone she got from her Grandpa. She didn't get them all done of course so she left them on the table. Jeremy's PERSONAL cell phone was also on the table. These 3 phones were the ones that were stolen.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: ISpy on October 11, 2011, 02:55:57 AM
Is there another window on the side of the building? IF that is a window, and I were a baby snatcher, I would've rather used the one on the side because it's almost invisible to other neighbors and the road after dark, unless someone knew that the computer room is an easier way to get in than the side window.

Regardless... if the screen was just a little bit bent... would it make sense that someone came in through that window and later on put the screen halfway back, but left the lights on, front door open... etc... ?

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa03.jpg)

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If the family is guilty of harming Lisa, they should be tried and convicted. But... I hope their rights are protected, as I see how the Sheriff's department is most possibly using the "cooperation" thing to build a case against the parents. All the searches and interrogations, hopefully are not UNREASONABLE. So far there has only been a rumor of advice by a lawyer, but no word if there is one with them at their new "interviews."

Just saying.




Looking at pics of the back of the house, in conjunction with this side pic of the house, I think Deborah's got a big problem.  She states that the black Lab mix was sleeping outside on the deck in the back. The deck wraps around to the right side yard (as you're facing the front of the house).  There does not appear to be a gate that would contain the dog on the deck.  According to Deborah, the black Lab mix (that neighbors say does bark), not only didn't bark, but also stayed on the deck as an intruder crawled in an open front window and moved freely and leisurely about the house, turning on lights, collecting cell phones from the kitchen, and kidnapping Lisa. O.k., that's possible maybe if their dog is deaf and blind...neither of which it is.  Either that dog knew the "intruder/kidnapper" or there was none and it was staged.  Somebody ought to make Deborah aware of the penalties for filing a false police report, lying to LE, endangering a child, felony child neglect, etc. I'm kind of wondering at this point if Jeremy didn't do something to Lisa to get back at Deborah for something (like maybe an affair). Or perhaps I have it wrong...maybe a spurned or angry lover with knowledge of the layout, where the phones were regularly kept, and familiar to the dog, took Lisa. Maybe that's why Deborah is falling all over herself trying to spin a yarn and why Jeremy looks stiff and distant. Perhaps Deborah's been desperately trying to convince him and he's uncertain of her story (i.e. wants to believe her, trying to push aside persistent doubts, not quite trusting her 100% though, playing along to find Lisa). All MOO


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: ISpy on October 11, 2011, 03:03:09 AM
Got to be up in less than four hours-better quit playing arm chair detective. LOL Praying for Lisa, praying Deborah and Jeremy do the right thing..it's the only thing to do. Lying is like building on a shaky foundation...a little shaking brings the house down on you.  'Nite all!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 11, 2011, 07:33:12 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-mother-preparing-arrested/story?id=14709800
Missing Baby Lisa: Mother Preparing to be Arrested
By CLAYTON SANDELL (@Clayton_Sandell) and KEVIN DOLAK
Oct. 11, 2011

Video at link.
The mother of missing baby Lisa Irwin is preparing to be charged in connection with her baby's disappearance, according to a family member who says she thinks that an arrest is "inevitable."

Ashley Irwin, the aunt of the missing 10-month-old, said in an exclusive interview with ABC News that she believes police are spending more time focusing on the family -- in particular baby Lisa's mother Deborah Bradley -- than on finding viable suspects.

"It's what the police do," Ashley Irwin said. "They don't have any leads so they just have to pin it on somebody."
 ::snipping2::

 ::snipping2::
The relationship between police and the parents soured last week when police said the couple had stopped cooperating -- but by Saturday Jeremy and Deborah were again meeting with investigators.

In a separate development, Clay County grand jury subpoenas have begun arriving at least four local Kansas City network affiliate television stations who did interviewing in their coverage of the case. Investigators are demanding unedited "footage of any interviews… given by neighbors, family or friends of the family..."

Sources say that the police may want to compare the footage for inconsistent statements from witnesses or anyone else interviewed surrounded the baby's disappearance.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 11, 2011, 07:44:07 AM
KrisKetz Kris Ketz
@jrobb1 talking to @KCPolice Capt Steve Young "I haven't heard anything like this - seems like speculation reaction to Irwin family comments
5 minutes ago

Kris Ketz
KrisKetz Kris Ketz
@GMA #LisaIrwin's aunt says - an arrest of Baby Lisa's mother is "inevitable." #fb
9 minutes ago

Kris Ketz
KrisKetz Kris Ketz
(2) #LisaIrwin's aunt on @GMA says "they (@KCPolice) dont have any leads so they just have to pin it on somebody.." #fb
12 minutes ago

Kris Ketz
KrisKetz Kris Ketz
@GMA #LisaIrwin's mother preparing to be charged in her baby's disapprearance says family member. Developing... #fb
13 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: islandmonkey on October 11, 2011, 08:05:18 AM
I hate to say this, but this case reminds me of the HaLeigh Cummings case :(  Door unlocked, lights on and nobody knows WTH went on but seems to have an answer for how it went down, mom bothers me the was she can be crying and then turn it off (like Ronald C), dad is just bizarre and nothing makes sense in their theory.......I wonder if mom had a rendevous with someone -thus the cheating on spouse line dad tossed out because IMO that isn't the first thing that would come to my mind if my child were missing. Maybe and just a random theory, mom had company since Jeremy was out working (and who watched the kids when she went out to by the box of wine), was this unidentified man the one who maybe came over later?? Also, was this shared with LE before they found the receipt as it doesn't appear that way because I would think LE would have gone to get the video off that trip far sooner since those tapes are often recorded over. Also, is dad's alibi really solid? Was he seen the entire time he was away at work and lastly and this is just wild speculation but what if he took the baby to place her somewhere else on his way to work after an accident happened in the home? I so hate that I am cynical and the parents are the fist to come to mind when I heard this and watched the interviews, but statistically the odds that is was someone else taking a child under 1 yr old and the baby hasn't been found which is the norm for these cases when an infant is taken by someone who wants a child for their own, and just being jaded from past cases make me think the parents are involved.........who else here would think someone whom had cheated on their spouse but unknown or even known to them (no names just an idea tossed out by the dad) would come to that random conclusion??? I am so d@mn sick of these cases, and parents harming their kids.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: islandmonkey on October 11, 2011, 08:09:25 AM
I just read this an the timing is odd if true....

MarkKCTV5 Mark Boyle   Edit to fix twitter link.  MB  http://twitter.com/#!/MarkKCTV5 (http://twitter.com/#!/MarkKCTV5)
@kcpolice Captain Steve Young just showed up at the home of #lisairwin. Hoping to get some update from police and their inv. this morning.
12 minutes ago



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: islandmonkey on October 11, 2011, 08:11:23 AM
I just read this an the timing is odd if true....

MarkKCTV5 Mark Boyle Edit to fix twitter link MB   http://twitter.com/#!/MarkKCTV5 (http://twitter.com/#!/MarkKCTV5)
@kcpolice Captain Steve Young just showed up at the home of #lisairwin. Hoping to get some update from police and their inv. this morning.
12 minutes ago



Sorry to early for me, grrrr I forgot the link and time of this tweet:


4:31am and link from JQ

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58305&page=18


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Fanta on October 11, 2011, 08:17:40 AM
Missing Baby Lisa: Mother Preparing to be Arrested  (http://Missing Baby Lisa: Mother Preparing to be Arrested)

The mother of missing baby Lisa Irwin is preparing to be charged in connection with her baby's disappearance, according to a family member who says she thinks that an arrest is "inevitable."

Wow...  This is tough, even when, well, we had an idea it was coming...

:(


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: islandmonkey on October 11, 2011, 08:18:19 AM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyMad::

Another stolen post:

Ashley Irwin used the word "railroading" deborah. I'm glad Captain Young was on to refute that allegation.


Glad to see that material iHe gave a long interview on The Today Show and insinuated that detectives did want daddy to take a polygraph, imo. He also downplayed the involvement of the handyman, described as a homeless man in today's interviews being gathered for a Grand Jury.

I thought Jeremy stated the LE wasn't asked for a poly since he had an "alibi"...


http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58305&page=19



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Fanta on October 11, 2011, 08:18:29 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-mother-preparing-arrested/story?id=14709800 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-mother-preparing-arrested/story?id=14709800)

Let's see if the link works this time...



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: melisb on October 11, 2011, 08:21:21 AM
Amen IM!!!  Was watching her on that Fox Judge Pirro show and just as soon as Mom was asked a question other than about Lisa directly she was bright eyed and clear voiced.  No tears at all!  I believe Dad came home just a little too early for Mom to get all the lights back off and staging finished!  Yep, I think Mom has very dirty hands.  I do believe she was/is in cahoots with someone else to take baby but I don't know why.  Did she want to leave her fiance and keep baby away from him?  Was she tired of being a Mom?  I dunno and this is all MOO of course!  I think Dad may just be standing beside her to try to get info...maybe he had suspicions about her cheating and came home early to catch something but interrupted a not fully staged kidnapping????  She definitely does not have a problem going from one man to the other, divorced or not.  I'll be very surprised if she isn't guilty.  I apologize ahead of time if I am wrong but I think from day one LE has had a problem with the story of a kidnapping.  I think she either disposed of the baby earlier or someone walked in a carried the baby off with her permission.  I do believe the story of an unidentified man carrying a baby and the police were trying to keep that a secret.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Fanta on October 11, 2011, 08:28:13 AM
 http://www.kmbc.com/news/29447814/detail.html#ixzz1aTWQOcto
 (http://www.kmbc.com/news/29447814/detail.html#ixzz1aTWQOcto)

Baby Lisa's Aunt: Lisa's Mother Preparing To be Arrested
'They Have To Pin It On Somebody' Aunt Says

Quote
"It's what the police do, they don't have any leads, so they have to pin it on somebody," Irwin said.

So says the aunt...

Quote
"It's an absurd notion," Kansas City Police Capt. Steve Young said on "Good Morning America." "We're not offended by it because it's so far from reality. We're under pressure to find a child. We're not under pressure to pin this on anybody or wrap it up and make an arrest."

At least they're turning up the heat on the family...





Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: tcumom on October 11, 2011, 08:34:24 AM
Missing Baby Lisa: Mother Preparing to be Arrested  (http://Missing Baby Lisa: Mother Preparing to be Arrested)

The mother of missing baby Lisa Irwin is preparing to be charged in connection with her baby's disappearance, according to a family member who says she thinks that an arrest is "inevitable."

Wow...  This is tough, even when, well, we had an idea it was coming...

:(
Yes ~ this was just mentioned on GMA ~


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 11, 2011, 08:39:38 AM
This was posted on locked twitter. I dont have FB.. Can someone check it out.

It was about helping young mother coping with enormous responsiblities in raising children .

Johnny Chiaravallotti family member of Lisa Irwin talks about young moms mistakes on FB post
4 minutes ago


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: melisb on October 11, 2011, 08:47:36 AM
This was posted on locked twitter. I dont have FB.. Can someone check it out.

It was about helping young mother coping with enormous responsiblities in raising children .

Johnny Chiaravallotti family member of Lisa Irwin talks about young moms mistakes on FB post
4 minutes ago


Mornin', you have a link to it?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Fanta on October 11, 2011, 09:12:00 AM
This was posted on locked twitter. I dont have FB.. Can someone check it out.

It was about helping young mother coping with enormous responsiblities in raising children .

Johnny Chiaravallotti family member of Lisa Irwin talks about young moms mistakes on FB post
4 minutes ago


Mornin', you have a link to it?

I don't suppose you know what Lisa Irwin FB page it's on?  I'm looking through many of them but having no luck yet. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 11, 2011, 09:13:13 AM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44856319#44856319
Missing baby Lisa: What are police doing?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 11, 2011, 09:16:46 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15664079/day-8-police-sort-through-tips-rumors-in-search-for-lisa
Day 8: Police sort through tips, rumors in search for Lisa
Posted: Oct 11, 2011 7:36 AM CDT Updated: Oct 11, 2011 7:41 AM CDT
By Chris Oberholtz, Multimedia Producer - email
By Mark Boyle, Reporter - bio | email
    Tips pouring into call center
KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -


Neighbors in the Northland neighborhood where baby Lisa Irwin was taken from her crib one week ago say they have been questioned by police about a homeless man seen in the neighborhood about two weeks ago.

It is one of many leads police are following up on.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 11, 2011, 09:21:04 AM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-review-grocery-surveillance-deborah-bradley-20111010,0,3702048.story
Aunt: Arrest of Lisa Irwin's Mother is 'Inevitable'
Jason Vaughn Interactive Content Producer
7:52 a.m. CDT, October 11, 2011

KANSAS CITY, Mo.—
The aunt of missing 11-month-old baby Lisa Irwin says that authorities are trying to "pin" the child's disappearance on Lisa Irwin's mom, but police say that the claim just isn't true.

Ashley Irwin, sister of Lisa Irwin's father Jeremy Irwin, told ABC's Good Morning America program on Tuesday morning that it's clear that police don't have any leads, so they have to "pin it on someone," and that she believes that "someone" is Deborah Bradley, the child's mother.

She also told the program that she believes Bradley's arrest is "inevitable."

Capt. Steve Young of the Kansas City Missouri Police Department told FOX 4 News that Ashley Irwin's claims couldn't be, "further from the truth."

"That's not how it works," said Capt. Young.

That comes one day after police took their investigation of the child's disappearance to a nearby grocery store, Festival Foods near I-35 and Chouteau, where Deborah Bradley and an unidentified man were seen buying a box of wine, paper plates and napkins about five hours before Bradley told police she put Lisa Irwin in her crib for the night.
 ::snipping2::

Follow FOX 4 on Facebook http://www.fox4kc.com/about/facebook (http://www.fox4kc.com/about/facebook)



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 11, 2011, 09:29:11 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kiriblakeley/2011/10/11/when-your-baby-diappears-and-all-eyes-turn-to-you/2/
ForbesWoman
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10/11/2011 @ 8:47AM |68 views
When Your Baby Diappears -- And All Eyes Turn To You

 ::snipping2::
Lisa’s father, Jeremy, has not yet taken a polygraph test, though he has offered to. Bradley took one, but it’s unclear whether she truly failed it. Moore doesn’t see that as much of an indicator: “I don’t think polygraphs are necessarily good tools,” she says. “In fact, I have known of many cases where polygraphs have been wrong. There’s a reason they aren’t considered conclusive.”

However, Moore recommends taking one anyway, even if you think the results could be skewed: “I think if it’s your child at risk and you’re a parent who gives a damn, then you walk through whatever mountains they put in front of you because you’re not worried about looking guilty or innocent. I wouldn’t care what they did to me, as long as whatever I did helped put them on the right track.”

Lisa’s case has been national news almost from the second it happened. And Lisa’s parents have been on “Good Morning America.” Moore thinks blabbing to the press isn’t such a hot idea: “They’re stupid to talk to the press the way they are. The press can be very, very helpful at some point. Right now, all they’re doing is making it harder for the cops to do their jobs and providing fodder for the 24/7 cable news channels who, no matter how saddened their reporters and anchors appear on-air, really don’t give a da** about that case because they’re looking at the ratings.”
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 11, 2011, 09:29:50 AM
The picture cartfly posted it likes as though there are 2 dogs in backyard..

I wanted to make note that at the link (where the photos of the back of the house came from) you can enter an address and get the "owners name" among other information. I was curious who "Maria" was that Debbie mentioned in the Judge Jenine interview on FOX the other night. She said something to the effect that she was "talking to her neighbor Maria while Maria's 4 year old and the Irwin kids watched some fairy tale movie".
I did find the name names of the neighbors on each side and gleaned a little on facebook. One neighbor is a young couple with  a child but they "appear" normal. I did not bring over the names even though it is public information. If these names pop up in "main stream" media I will bring it over. I figured the lives of these residents have already been turned upside down. But if you monkeys would like to view the records the link is as follows:

http://gisweb.claycogov.com/realEstate/realEstate.jsp  (http://gisweb.claycogov.com/realEstate/realEstate.jsp)



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 11, 2011, 09:47:05 AM
This was posted on locked twitter. I dont have FB.. Can someone check it out.

It was about helping young mother coping with enormous responsiblities in raising children .

Johnny Chiaravallotti family member of Lisa Irwin talks about young moms mistakes on FB post
4 minutes ago


Mornin', you have a link to it?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12149.msg1474857#msg1474857


FYI - this post by Johnny was attributed to Facebook but nobody has found it on FB.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 11, 2011, 09:48:50 AM
It's puzzling to me as to why LE is using metal detectors on the lawns surrounding the house.  The only thing I can possibly think they are looking for are the three missing cell phones.  But if they were buried on the property I would think that they could easily detect the dirt being disturbed.  So what could they be looking for with metal detectors?
a key, a sim card, a bullet?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 09:55:25 AM
This was posted on locked twitter. I dont have FB.. Can someone check it out.

It was about helping young mother coping with enormous responsiblities in raising children .

Johnny Chiaravallotti family member of Lisa Irwin talks about young moms mistakes on FB post
4 minutes ago




Johnny Chiaravallotti family member of Lisa Irwin talks about young moms mistakes on FB post http://twitpic.com/6yr1kg
http://tinyurl.com/3mruxod




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 09:57:43 AM
This was posted on locked twitter. I dont have FB.. Can someone check it out.

It was about helping young mother coping with enormous responsiblities in raising children .

Johnny Chiaravallotti family member of Lisa Irwin talks about young moms mistakes on FB post
4 minutes ago


Mornin', you have a link to it?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12149.msg1474857#msg1474857
Hi Klass been a while since i posted but I always read here. I wonder why the Uncle of Deborah is concerned about her dad?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Cherry6905 on October 11, 2011, 10:02:39 AM
So if they find the man will they find Lisa? Was this an escape plan? Did Deb worry Jeremy would take her baby like he did his son? Pray Baby Lisa is alive. Anyone know who the guy is?

I have wondered about the strange looks on their faces. Deb "are you buying this honey?" and Jeremy, "Something is up."

Her FB page was under her maiden name  Debbie Netz, she may have taken it down. Her brother is Steve Netz, her father is David Lee Netz Jr. just go down the friends list.

Jeremy had his truck broken into a few months ago and there have been some break in in their neighborhood. If you go to Kansas City Police Department http://www.kcmo.org/police/Crime/CrimeMapping/index.htm

enter 3620 LISTER AVE, KANSAS CITY, MO 64117

Adjust the date to custom and go back to July.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: KittyMom on October 11, 2011, 10:04:48 AM
Maybe Debi has a new beau and sees the only way to get a clean break from Jeremy is if there is no child to tie them to each other.

or

Maybe Debi is worried that Jeremy isn't all that into a spring wedding and thinks a disappeared child might motivate him to commit. 

Anyone remember Jeremy saying something early on about not wanting to comment because he didn't want to jeopardize the investigation.  It was when Debi was being interviewed for hours by LE.  That particular comment really stuck with me.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 10:11:19 AM
Maybe Debi has a new beau and sees the only way to get a clean break from Jeremy is if there is no child to tie them to each other.

or

Maybe Debi is worried that Jeremy isn't all that into a spring wedding and thinks a disappeared child might motivate him to commit. 

Anyone remember Jeremy saying something early on about not wanting to comment because he didn't want to jeopardize the investigation.  It was when Debi was being interviewed for hours by LE.  That particular comment really stuck with me.

Hi, I do think that observing Jeremys Behavior he seems off standish to the Mom.. maybe he is suspicious of her. I think maybe the guy at the store was the homeless guy ? maybe.. why buy that much wine without a party husbands at work.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: BlueKYGirl on October 11, 2011, 10:21:35 AM
Maybe Debi has a new beau and sees the only way to get a clean break from Jeremy is if there is no child to tie them to each other.

or

Maybe Debi is worried that Jeremy isn't all that into a spring wedding and thinks a disappeared child might motivate him to commit. 

Anyone remember Jeremy saying something early on about not wanting to comment because he didn't want to jeopardize the investigation.  It was when Debi was being interviewed for hours by LE.  That particular comment really stuck with me.

Hi, I do think that observing Jeremys Behavior he seems off standish to the Mom.. maybe he is suspicious of her. I think maybe the guy at the store was the homeless guy ? maybe.. why buy that much wine without a party husbands at work.

Maybe the guy at the store WAS having a party--he was buying paper plates, too. It doesn't sound like the classiest party ever, but I don't think buying a box of wine and paper plates sounds suspicious AT ALL. I can't see what this has to do with Lisa's disappearance.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 11, 2011, 10:28:19 AM
Maybe Debi has a new beau and sees the only way to get a clean break from Jeremy is if there is no child to tie them to each other.

or

Maybe Debi is worried that Jeremy isn't all that into a spring wedding and thinks a disappeared child might motivate him to commit. 

Anyone remember Jeremy saying something early on about not wanting to comment because he didn't want to jeopardize the investigation.  It was when Debi was being interviewed for hours by LE.  That particular comment really stuck with me.
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That comment sent my hinky way up too


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 10:30:22 AM
Maybe Debi has a new beau and sees the only way to get a clean break from Jeremy is if there is no child to tie them to each other.

or

Maybe Debi is worried that Jeremy isn't all that into a spring wedding and thinks a disappeared child might motivate him to commit. 

Anyone remember Jeremy saying something early on about not wanting to comment because he didn't want to jeopardize the investigation.  It was when Debi was being interviewed for hours by LE.  That particular comment really stuck with me.

Hi, I do think that observing Jeremys Behavior he seems off standish to the Mom.. maybe he is suspicious of her. I think maybe the guy at the store was the homeless guy ? maybe.. why buy that much wine without a party husbands at work.

Maybe the guy at the store WAS having a party--he was buying paper plates, too. It doesn't sound like the classiest party ever, but I don't think buying a box of wine and paper plates sounds suspicious AT ALL. I can't see what this has to do with Lisa's disappearance.

are you nit picking me haha Well IMO she HID this info from LE and who watched the baby while she was at the store with the SUSPICIOUS Guy? FBI Pointed out


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 11, 2011, 10:31:45 AM
It's puzzling to me as to why LE is using metal detectors on the lawns surrounding the house.  The only thing I can possibly think they are looking for are the three missing cell phones.  But if they were buried on the property I would think that they could easily detect the dirt being disturbed.  So what could they be looking for with metal detectors?
a key, a sim card, a bullet?

Add knife, jewelry that fell off, a tool, bottle caps...




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 11, 2011, 10:31:49 AM
This was posted on locked twitter. I dont have FB.. Can someone check it out.

It was about helping young mother coping with enormous responsiblities in raising children .

Johnny Chiaravallotti family member of Lisa Irwin talks about young moms mistakes on FB post
4 minutes ago


Mornin', you have a link to it?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12149.msg1474857#msg1474857


FYI - this post by Johnny was attributed to Facebook but nobody has found it on FB.
I can no longer find it either. I believe Johhnny deleted his comment, his name is no longer searchable on FB either. For those who may not remember who he is, he is Debbie's maternal Uncle, the brother of Debbie's deceased Mother Lisa who was married to David Netz in Delaware. Someone had posted her obituary link upstream I think.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 10:32:28 AM
Maybe Debi has a new beau and sees the only way to get a clean break from Jeremy is if there is no child to tie them to each other.

or

Maybe Debi is worried that Jeremy isn't all that into a spring wedding and thinks a disappeared child might motivate him to commit. 

Anyone remember Jeremy saying something early on about not wanting to comment because he didn't want to jeopardize the investigation.  It was when Debi was being interviewed for hours by LE.  That particular comment really stuck with me.

Hi, I do think that observing Jeremys Behavior he seems off standish to the Mom.. maybe he is suspicious of her. I think maybe the guy at the store was the homeless guy ? maybe.. why buy that much wine without a party husbands at work.

Maybe the guy at the store WAS having a party--he was buying paper plates, too. It doesn't sound like the classiest party ever, but I don't think buying a box of wine and paper plates sounds suspicious AT ALL. I can't see what this has to do with Lisa's disappearance.

and just to point out that it was NOT the guys party because it was HER receipt she had at HER house FBI said SHE paid for it


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 10:33:30 AM
Maybe Debi has a new beau and sees the only way to get a clean break from Jeremy is if there is no child to tie them to each other.

or

Maybe Debi is worried that Jeremy isn't all that into a spring wedding and thinks a disappeared child might motivate him to commit. 

Anyone remember Jeremy saying something early on about not wanting to comment because he didn't want to jeopardize the investigation.  It was when Debi was being interviewed for hours by LE.  That particular comment really stuck with me.
[/b]
That comment sent my hinky way up too

maybe he is helping LE?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: BlueKYGirl on October 11, 2011, 10:34:17 AM
Maybe Debi has a new beau and sees the only way to get a clean break from Jeremy is if there is no child to tie them to each other.

or

Maybe Debi is worried that Jeremy isn't all that into a spring wedding and thinks a disappeared child might motivate him to commit. 

Anyone remember Jeremy saying something early on about not wanting to comment because he didn't want to jeopardize the investigation.  It was when Debi was being interviewed for hours by LE.  That particular comment really stuck with me.

Hi, I do think that observing Jeremys Behavior he seems off standish to the Mom.. maybe he is suspicious of her. I think maybe the guy at the store was the homeless guy ? maybe.. why buy that much wine without a party husbands at work.

Maybe the guy at the store WAS having a party--he was buying paper plates, too. It doesn't sound like the classiest party ever, but I don't think buying a box of wine and paper plates sounds suspicious AT ALL. I can't see what this has to do with Lisa's disappearance.

are you nit picking me haha Well IMO she HID this info from LE and who watched the baby while she was at the store with the SUSPICIOUS Guy? FBI Pointed out

No I did not mean to nitpick AT ALL!  :)  I think I read that wrong before as I skimmed the details of the case--I didn't realize that the mom was buying a box of wine with the unidentified guy. You're right--that's suspicious. I can't see how any good could come of that...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cookie on October 11, 2011, 10:34:59 AM
Buying the wine 5 hours before the baby goes missing may not be suspect,but where were the kids then? Were they home alone then and baby Lisa went missing at that time? Or something happened to the baby accidentally while mom was gone and mom came back and found Lisa dead? May be far fetched but who knows at this point.
I find mom suspicious..I hope that I am wrong. Dad seems distant perhaps because he is not buying her story either?
 
And if an intruder was going into the house,entering from the back of the house makes more sense...easier access and darker..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 11, 2011, 10:35:39 AM
I'm a little confused here with this wine-buying trip.

I have read a few posts saying that Monday was the brother's birthday party and the family had a get-together. I assume a little wine is okay for the adults at a party.

In other posts I read that the birthday was two days before.

I have searched that and all articles I found spoke of the nice pictures of Lisa taken during her brother's birthday party, but no specific date.

Also... does the surveillance tape/receipt show a time when she was buying the stuff?

Could it be she was buying the stuff for the party?



Here is the info posted about the Birthday party:



 Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
« Reply #427 on: October 07, 2011, 06:00:04 PM » Quote 

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https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall&filter=1


Quote
David Lee Netz Jr.
Here is a quick note about the 3 missing cell phones. Debbie's cell phone had been acting up and the speakers and microphone on it were continually only working intermittently. So Sunday October 2 when Debbie, Jeremy, Blake, Michael, and Lisa came over to Debbie's grandparents (My Mom and Dad) house to celebrate Blake's birthday my Dad gave Debbie his old plain jane phone that has NO way to collect contact information on it. Debbie transferred the service from her old phone to the one that my Dad (her Grandpa) gave her. When she went home later that night she had both of her phones out and started coping numbers one by one into the phone she got from her Grandpa. She didn't get them all done of course so she left them on the table. Jeremy's PERSONAL cell phone was also on the table. These 3 phones were the ones that were stolen.
Isn't Blake one of Debbie's sons? Those poor children. I can not imagine the confusion and fear they are feeling right now...so sad for these little guys  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 11, 2011, 10:36:32 AM
By seeing the re-creation of the window entry, we can eliminate 1/3 of the suspects.
The obese.
No way a fat person's butt can fit through the opening.

Also, the stature challenged.
The short people.
Unless the person had someone's help getting up there, or something to stoop on, there's no way a short person can climb in.

Also, those activity challenged.
The elderly, handicapped, couch potatoes.
The window is sort of narrow, and steep, only someone in good physical shape can get in.

We can assume the alleged intruder did NOT enter through the window.





well, we can rule me out!!

Haha!

It can rule 80 or 90 percent of the population.

Still, it's obvious the "intruder" didn't go in through that window.

MOO


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 10:39:51 AM
Maybe Debi has a new beau and sees the only way to get a clean break from Jeremy is if there is no child to tie them to each other.

or

Maybe Debi is worried that Jeremy isn't all that into a spring wedding and thinks a disappeared child might motivate him to commit. 

Anyone remember Jeremy saying something early on about not wanting to comment because he didn't want to jeopardize the investigation.  It was when Debi was being interviewed for hours by LE.  That particular comment really stuck with me.

Hi, I do think that observing Jeremys Behavior he seems off standish to the Mom.. maybe he is suspicious of her. I think maybe the guy at the store was the homeless guy ? maybe.. why buy that much wine without a party husbands at work.

Maybe the guy at the store WAS having a party--he was buying paper plates, too. It doesn't sound like the classiest party ever, but I don't think buying a box of wine and paper plates sounds suspicious AT ALL. I can't see what this has to do with Lisa's disappearance.

are you nit picking me haha Well IMO she HID this info from LE and who watched the baby while she was at the store with the SUSPICIOUS Guy? FBI Pointed out

No I did not mean to nitpick AT ALL!  :)  I think I read that wrong before as I skimmed the details of the case--I didn't realize that the mom was buying a box of wine with the unidentified guy. You're right--that's suspicious. I can't see how any good could come of that...
ok :) I really think Jeremy is working with LE and news said Mom will be arrested today wonder when? she lied to LE and failed 2 polys. I do think polys can be unrealible but i hear she had a big hole in hers. they can tell when someones nervous and flat out lying about certian questions IMO


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 10:43:29 AM
This was posted on locked twitter. I dont have FB.. Can someone check it out.

It was about helping young mother coping with enormous responsiblities in raising children .

Johnny Chiaravallotti family member of Lisa Irwin talks about young moms mistakes on FB post
4 minutes ago


Mornin', you have a link to it?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12149.msg1474857#msg1474857


FYI - this post by Johnny was attributed to Facebook but nobody has found it on FB.
I can no longer find it either. I believe Johhnny deleted his comment, his name is no longer searchable on FB either. For those who may not remember who he is, he is Debbie's maternal Uncle, the brother of Debbie's deceased Mother Lisa who was married to David Netz in Delaware. Someone had posted her obituary link upstream I think.

 I read most comments scanned through and someone commented admin on that site deleted Alot of comments over 40 just on one thread


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: BlueKYGirl on October 11, 2011, 10:45:11 AM
I don't think the act of buying wine in itself is suspicious. I am the mother of two young daughters and my husband and I are wine drinkers. We are responsible parents who love our girls and enjoy a glass of wine sometimes at night.

I DO think it's suspicious to buy wine with an unidentified man who's not your husband, on the same afternoon your baby goes missing.

(If nothing else, Debi is guilty of buying bad wine--unforgivable in my book).


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 10:48:32 AM
I don't think the act of buying wine in itself is suspicious. I am the mother of two young daughters and my husband and I are wine drinkers. We are responsible parents who love our girls and enjoy a glass of wine sometimes at night.

I DO think it's suspicious to buy wine with an unidentified man who's not your husband, on the same afternoon your baby goes missing.

(If nothing else, Debi is guilty of buying bad wine--unforgivable in my book).

she bought a whole Box of it haha bad wine lol .. I agree buying wine is ok nothing wrong with it but NOT telling LE where U been the last couple of days after talking with them 12 hrs and not telling where yur cell phone is .. there is something wrong with that


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 11, 2011, 10:50:01 AM
I'm a little confused here with this wine-buying trip.

I have read a few posts saying that Monday was the brother's birthday party and the family had a get-together. I assume a little wine is okay for the adults at a party.

In other posts I read that the birthday was two days before.

I have searched that and all articles I found spoke of the nice pictures of Lisa taken during her brother's birthday party, but no specific date.

Also... does the surveillance tape/receipt show a time when she was buying the stuff?

Could it be she was buying the stuff for the party?



Here is the info posted about the Birthday party:



 Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
« Reply #427 on: October 07, 2011, 06:00:04 PM » Quote 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall&filter=1


Quote
David Lee Netz Jr.
Here is a quick note about the 3 missing cell phones. Debbie's cell phone had been acting up and the speakers and microphone on it were continually only working intermittently. So Sunday October 2 when Debbie, Jeremy, Blake, Michael, and Lisa came over to Debbie's grandparents (My Mom and Dad) house to celebrate Blake's birthday my Dad gave Debbie his old plain jane phone that has NO way to collect contact information on it. Debbie transferred the service from her old phone to the one that my Dad (her Grandpa) gave her. When she went home later that night she had both of her phones out and started coping numbers one by one into the phone she got from her Grandpa. She didn't get them all done of course so she left them on the table. Jeremy's PERSONAL cell phone was also on the table. These 3 phones were the ones that were stolen.

Thanks.

So the birthday party was Sunday October 2nd. That was two days before Lisa was reported missing, and the day before Debbie bought the box of wine with the "unknown" gentleman.

So, the wine was not for the birthday party, but for some other private party. I doubt two people can drink a box of wine, or is wine coming in boxes instead of bottles nowadays?







Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: goodnmad on October 11, 2011, 10:50:34 AM
Sounding more and more like this will have another very sad ending.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: BlueKYGirl on October 11, 2011, 10:54:41 AM
So, the wine was not for the birthday party, but for some other private party. I doubt two people can drink a box of wine, or is wine coming in boxes instead of bottles nowadays?

It still comes in bottles.

Boxes of wine are for hobos and large groups of girls who want to get drunk in their sorority house. (I speak from experience).


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Cherry6905 on October 11, 2011, 10:58:58 AM
The tipline responder told me Jeremy's son Blake's mother Rasleem Raim age 32 had been deported. The custody issue was between the grandparents and Jeremy. The responder also said there was no evidence of domestic abuse.

There was a birthday party for Blake's 8th birthday 2 days prior to the abduction of Baby Lisa.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: BlueKYGirl on October 11, 2011, 10:59:31 AM
So the couple had two other children, right? Were they both the parents of the other children, or was Lisa their only child together?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 11:00:07 AM
So, the wine was not for the birthday party, but for some other private party. I doubt two people can drink a box of wine, or is wine coming in boxes instead of bottles nowadays?

It still comes in bottles.

Boxes of wine are for hobos and large groups of girls who want to get drunk in their sorority house. (I speak from experience).

maybe she bought it for the 20 + yr old Homeless guy? he was begging around the neighborhood... asked one neighbor if he could stay with him.whoever it was with her at the store is suspicious then LE passes a PIC of homeless guy around!? where did LE get a pic of him> maybe from the news camera


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 11:03:03 AM
The tipline responder told me Jeremy's son Blake's mother Rasleem Raim age 32 had been deported. The custody issue was between the grandparents and Jeremy. The responder also said there was no evidence of domestic abuse.

There was a birthday party for Blake's 8th birthday 2 days prior to the abduction of Baby Lisa.


wow interesting... so the mom was deported after being married in us and having a child? maybe she wasnt married long enough? I know she was staying in a church home during her custody battle. it seems Deborah got together with Jeremy Close to that time and I see the custody issue was in 2005 so that house they live in was his and his ex.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 11, 2011, 11:03:57 AM
So, the wine was not for the birthday party, but for some other private party. I doubt two people can drink a box of wine, or is wine coming in boxes instead of bottles nowadays?

It still comes in bottles.

Boxes of wine are for hobos and large groups of girls who want to get drunk in their sorority house. (I speak from experience).

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: BlueKYGirl on October 11, 2011, 11:05:02 AM
So, the wine was not for the birthday party, but for some other private party. I doubt two people can drink a box of wine, or is wine coming in boxes instead of bottles nowadays?

It still comes in bottles.

Boxes of wine are for hobos and large groups of girls who want to get drunk in their sorority house. (I speak from experience).

maybe she bought it for the 20 + yr old Homeless guy? he was begging around the neighborhood... asked one neighbor if he could stay with him.whoever it was with her at the store is suspicious then LE passes a PIC of homeless guy around!? where did LE get a pic of him> maybe from the news camera

My question is this: what does a homeless guy want with a 10-month-old baby? Babies are a lot of work and they cost a lot, too. I realize there are weird people out there who might want a baby for things I don't even want to think about, but most homeless people are harmless and just mentally ill, and I have to believe that the percentage of people who would do harm to a baby is very, very small. (If anyone is going to hurt a baby, it's a parent with a motive).

Trying to pin it on a homeless guy reminds me of Susan Smith's claim that she was carjacked by black people.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 11, 2011, 11:07:28 AM


Sorry to repost:


Lisa Ann Chivalette Netz

Sep. 5, 1964
Death:  Apr. 10, 2001


Lisa Ann Chivalette Netz, 36, of New Castle, DE formerly of Delaware County.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSmid=47089125&GRid=23510022&



Family links:
 Parents:
  John Joseph Chivalette (1941 - 1968)

 

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=23510009





http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSmid=47089125&GRid=23510009&




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 11, 2011, 11:13:27 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29448684/detail.html
Expert: Missing Baby's Mother's Failed Polygraph Means Nothing
Expert Stands By Polygraph Results Under Right Situations
POSTED: 8:22 am CDT October 11, 2011
UPDATED: 9:10 am CDT October 11, 2011

Video at link.
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- A former FBI agent and polygraph expert said a polygraph should not have been given to baby Lisa's mother, Deborah Bradley.

Allen Jennerich, who worked for the FBI for 25 years, said Bradley should not have been given a polygraph because of how emotional the situation is, the repeated police interviews and her lack of sleep.

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29448684/detail.html#ixzz1aUCxdgYG



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 11:15:03 AM
So, the wine was not for the birthday party, but for some other private party. I doubt two people can drink a box of wine, or is wine coming in boxes instead of bottles nowadays?

It still comes in bottles.

Boxes of wine are for hobos and large groups of girls who want to get drunk in their sorority house. (I speak from experience).

maybe she bought it for the 20 + yr old Homeless guy? he was begging around the neighborhood... asked one neighbor if he could stay with him.whoever it was with her at the store is suspicious then LE passes a PIC of homeless guy around!? where did LE get a pic of him> maybe from the news camera

My question is this: what does a homeless guy want with a 10-month-old baby? Babies are a lot of work and they cost a lot, too. I realize there are weird people out there who might want a baby for things I don't even want to think about, but most homeless people are harmless and just mentally ill, and I have to believe that the percentage of people who would do harm to a baby is very, very small. (If anyone is going to hurt a baby, it's a parent with a motive).

Trying to pin it on a homeless guy reminds me of Susan Smith's claim that she was carjacked by black people.



when my daughter was sick, we left the ER to go home in middle of night there was a homeless man asked me to hold her I said no LE was accross from me watching. they said he prob wanted to take her to BUY CRACK


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Cherry6905 on October 11, 2011, 11:15:22 AM
The tipline responder told me Jeremy's son Blake's mother Rasleem Raim age 32 had been deported. The custody issue was between the grandparents and Jeremy. The responder also said there was no evidence of domestic abuse.

There was a birthday party for Blake's 8th birthday 2 days prior to the abduction of Baby Lisa.


wow interesting... so the mom was deported after being married in us and having a child? maybe she wasnt married long enough? I know she was staying in a church home during her custody battle. it seems Deborah got together with Jeremy Close to that time and I see the custody issue was in 2005 so that house they live in was his and his ex.

How do you know that she stayed in a church home? Do you know why she was there?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 11:17:05 AM
the neighbor that the homeless GUY that was TRULY there and NOT made up said the guy was shady cutting an orange asking me to stay he was scary he said.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 11:18:33 AM
The tipline responder told me Jeremy's son Blake's mother Rasleem Raim age 32 had been deported. The custody issue was between the grandparents and Jeremy. The responder also said there was no evidence of domestic abuse.

There was a birthday party for Blake's 8th birthday 2 days prior to the abduction of Baby Lisa.


wow interesting... so the mom was deported after being married in us and having a child? maybe she wasnt married long enough? I know she was staying in a church home during her custody battle. it seems Deborah got together with Jeremy Close to that time and I see the custody issue was in 2005 so that house they live in was his and his ex.

How do you know that she stayed in a church home? Do you know why she was there?

I looked up the address she gave the court in 2005 and back then it was used for a church home to help ppl its an 8 bedroom facilty


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 11:20:41 AM
So, the wine was not for the birthday party, but for some other private party. I doubt two people can drink a box of wine, or is wine coming in boxes instead of bottles nowadays?

It still comes in bottles.

Boxes of wine are for hobos and large groups of girls who want to get drunk in their sorority house. (I speak from experience).

maybe she bought it for the 20 + yr old Homeless guy? he was begging around the neighborhood... asked one neighbor if he could stay with him.whoever it was with her at the store is suspicious then LE passes a PIC of homeless guy around!? where did LE get a pic of him> maybe from the news camera

My question is this: what does a homeless guy want with a 10-month-old baby? Babies are a lot of work and they cost a lot, too. I realize there are weird people out there who might want a baby for things I don't even want to think about, but most homeless people are harmless and just mentally ill, and I have to believe that the percentage of people who would do harm to a baby is very, very small. (If anyone is going to hurt a baby, it's a parent with a motive).

Trying to pin it on a homeless guy reminds me of Susan Smith's claim that she was carjacked by black people.


besides I was Not trying to pin it on the homeless guy I am going by what FBI are trying to piece together. they are showing a pic of him looking for him. the neighbor saw a GUY holding a a baby in middle of night. I want the baby found too!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 11:23:09 AM
Maybe LE wants to find the Homeless Guy to question Him IF he was indeed with Deborah Bradley the night in question.
MAYBE NOT.. maybe they are curious if he was the perp. who knows anything is possible, I am so glad they are following ALL leads!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: labubske on October 11, 2011, 11:26:02 AM
So, the wine was not for the birthday party, but for some other private party. I doubt two people can drink a box of wine, or is wine coming in boxes instead of bottles nowadays?

It still comes in bottles.

Boxes of wine are for hobos and large groups of girls who want to get drunk in their sorority house. (I speak from experience).

maybe she bought it for the 20 + yr old Homeless guy? he was begging around the neighborhood... asked one neighbor if he could stay with him.whoever it was with her at the store is suspicious then LE passes a PIC of homeless guy around!? where did LE get a pic of him> maybe from the news camera

My question is this: what does a homeless guy want with a 10-month-old baby? Babies are a lot of work and they cost a lot, too. I realize there are weird people out there who might want a baby for things I don't even want to think about, but most homeless people are harmless and just mentally ill, and I have to believe that the percentage of people who would do harm to a baby is very, very small. (If anyone is going to hurt a baby, it's a parent with a motive).

Trying to pin it on a homeless guy reminds me of Susan Smith's claim that she was carjacked by black people.


besides I was Not trying to pin it on the homeless guy I am going by what FBI are trying to piece together. they are showing a pic of him looking for him. the neighbor saw a GUY holding a a baby in middle of night. I want the baby found too!

I believe Susan Smith tried to pin the murder of her two beautiful boys on some phantom men that she claims carjacked her. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 11, 2011, 11:29:49 AM
Geeze could she be that desperate for attention....


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 11, 2011, 11:33:12 AM
Not sure if this has anything to do with Baby Lisa but scanner is talking about going into a "well" under a "deck". The deck needs to be disassembled for access.
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=1526  (http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=1526)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Cherry6905 on October 11, 2011, 11:35:04 AM
@ StarMonkey

Do you know anything more about the church home? Was it a shelter for homeless people, battered women or drug addicts.

Her parents still live here (they fought for custody) so I am wondering why she was deported.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MadMom on October 11, 2011, 11:35:09 AM
Has it been confirmed that the husband was in fact at work the entire evening as he stated?  Are there co-workers to corroborate his alibi?

It seems extremely coincidental that the only night he ever worked a night shift, the daughter is missing. 

Did he suspect his fiancee was having an affair and come home to find her having a party with the unnamed man from the store video? 

How old is the neighbor boy that was questioned?  Could he be the male from the store?





Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 11:36:46 AM
@ StarMonkey

Do you know anything more about the church home? Was it a shelter for homeless people, battered women or drug addicts.

Her parents still live here (they fought for custody) so I am wondering why she was deported.

I can check it out. I snapshot the info online with the address that it was a church home. so her parents live there wow. Im wondering why she was deported then too IF her parents live here thats strange.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Cherry6905 on October 11, 2011, 11:37:53 AM
Not sure if this has anything to do with Baby Lisa but scanner is talking about going into a "well" under a "deck". The deck needs to be disassembled for access.
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=1526  (http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=1526)
Remember the Handyman -


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 11, 2011, 11:38:03 AM
The tipline responder told me Jeremy's son Blake's mother Rasleem Raim age 32 had been deported. The custody issue was between the grandparents and Jeremy. The responder also said there was no evidence of domestic abuse.

There was a birthday party for Blake's 8th birthday 2 days prior to the abduction of Baby Lisa.


wow interesting... so the mom was deported after being married in us and having a child? maybe she wasnt married long enough? I know she was staying in a church home during her custody battle. it seems Deborah got together with Jeremy Close to that time and I see the custody issue was in 2005 so that house they live in was his and his ex.

How do you know that she stayed in a church home? Do you know why she was there?

I looked up the address she gave the court in 2005 and back then it was used for a church home to help ppl its an 8 bedroom facilty


  We know now why you are "star monkey"! :)  Which reverse search engine did you use, please?  TIA


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Cherry6905 on October 11, 2011, 11:39:38 AM
@ StarMonkey

Do you know anything more about the church home? Was it a shelter for homeless people, battered women or drug addicts.

Her parents still live here (they fought for custody) so I am wondering why she was deported.

I can check it out. I snapshot the info online with the address that it was a church home. so her parents live there wow. Im wondering why she was deported then too IF her parents live here thats strange.

Yes the tipline guy told me that was who was fighting for custody. And one of the TV stations went to her home. I spokeo'd her name and recognized the house.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 11, 2011, 11:43:39 AM
The LiveWire on KMBC says that a well has been discovered under a deck, which belongs to a neighbor. The helicopter will be taking shots and posting them on the blog.

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old)



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 11:44:47 AM
@ StarMonkey

Do you know anything more about the church home? Was it a shelter for homeless people, battered women or drug addicts.

Her parents still live here (they fought for custody) so I am wondering why she was deported.

heres one site that has the address listed under
Home and Garden >Home Relative >HOMES MENTAL RETARDATION & DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED
Home and Garden >Home Relative >HOMES RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES
http://us.56abc.cn/MO/Kansas-City/433639507/Special-Place-A.html


do you know what country she was deported too?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 11, 2011, 11:45:12 AM
I think Johnny Chivalette (Uncle) set up this FB page titled "In Loving Memory of Lisa Renee Irwin".

https://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Loving-Memory-of-Lisa-Renee-Irwin/300730869940449?sk=wall  (https://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Loving-Memory-of-Lisa-Renee-Irwin/300730869940449?sk=wall)

 ::snipping2::

   
Lisa was born on November 11th , 2010 and was reported missing on October 4th , 2011 in Kansas City , Missouri. Lisa Renee had blue eyes and blonde hair. She was just 30 inches tall and weighed between 26 and 30 pounds. She was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it. The baby is described as having two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough. Anyone with information is asked to call the TIPS Hotline at 816-474-8477.
Awards   
In Loving Memory of Lisa Ann Netz ( Chivalette ) , the deceased Grandmother of Lisa Renee Irwin who passed away on 4/10/01 at the age of 36 years old. Lisa Renee was named after her Grandmother Lisa.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 11, 2011, 11:46:26 AM
I believe to day is baby Lisa's 11 month birthday  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 11:49:17 AM
@ StarMonkey

Do you know anything more about the church home? Was it a shelter for homeless people, battered women or drug addicts.

Her parents still live here (they fought for custody) so I am wondering why she was deported.

I can check it out. I snapshot the info online with the address that it was a church home. so her parents live there wow. Im wondering why she was deported then too IF her parents live here thats strange.

Yes the tipline guy told me that was who was fighting for custody. And one of the TV stations went to her home. I spokeo'd her name and recognized the house.

 thats what it is for Homes - Mental Retardation & Development Disabled
Its called A special place...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 11, 2011, 11:50:37 AM
Copy of the backyard pictures posted before on this thread:

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa05.jpg)


(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa06.jpg)

Can't really see much of other neighbors' yards.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Cherry6905 on October 11, 2011, 11:51:33 AM
@ StarMonkey

Do you know anything more about the church home? Was it a shelter for homeless people, battered women or drug addicts.

Her parents still live here (they fought for custody) so I am wondering why she was deported.

heres one site that has the address listed under
Home and Garden >Home Relative >HOMES MENTAL RETARDATION & DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED
Home and Garden >Home Relative >HOMES RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES
http://us.56abc.cn/MO/Kansas-City/433639507/Special-Place-A.html


do you know what country she was deported too?

I would assume India by the name. The responder told me she was deported but if you been verify her she shows up at a few different address. I'll go check again. I wonder if she is handicapped? Maybe that's why parents wanted child?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 11:51:42 AM
@ StarMonkey

Do you know anything more about the church home? Was it a shelter for homeless people, battered women or drug addicts.

Her parents still live here (they fought for custody) so I am wondering why she was deported.

I can check it out. I snapshot the info online with the address that it was a church home. so her parents live there wow. Im wondering why she was deported then too IF her parents live here thats strange.

Yes the tipline guy told me that was who was fighting for custody. And one of the TV stations went to her home. I spokeo'd her name and recognized the house.

heres another site it has the # on it too
http://www.ibegin.com/directory/us/missouri/kansas-city/special-place-5900-noland-rd/


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 11, 2011, 11:53:19 AM
KMBC's Brenda Washington said an abandoned home and lot was also being searched at 3838 North Brighton
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 10:46 AM

NewsChopper 9 is flying to the scene, we'll provide a live streaming link once the chopper reaches the area
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 10:30 AM

Breaking: A well has been discovered under a deck in a backyard next to the Irwin home. It is being disassembled
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 10:26 AM

 http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aUI1cYFV (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aUI1cYFV)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 11:54:30 AM
I think Johnny Chivalette (Uncle) set up this FB page titled "In Loving Memory of Lisa Renee Irwin".

https://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Loving-Memory-of-Lisa-Renee-Irwin/300730869940449?sk=wall  (https://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Loving-Memory-of-Lisa-Renee-Irwin/300730869940449?sk=wall)

 ::snipping2::

   
Lisa was born on November 11th , 2010 and was reported missing on October 4th , 2011 in Kansas City , Missouri. Lisa Renee had blue eyes and blonde hair. She was just 30 inches tall and weighed between 26 and 30 pounds. She was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it. The baby is described as having two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough. Anyone with information is asked to call the TIPS Hotline at 816-474-8477.
Awards   
In Loving Memory of Lisa Ann Netz ( Chivalette ) , the deceased Grandmother of Lisa Renee Irwin who passed away on 4/10/01 at the age of 36 years old. Lisa Renee was named after her Grandmother Lisa.


the current husband Sean Bradley his MOMs middle name is Renee wonder if she named her after the current husbands mom ?and WHY?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: ospainter on October 11, 2011, 11:54:30 AM
LindsayShively Lindsay Shively Fixing the link.  MB  http://twitter.com/#!LindsayShively (http://twitter.com/#!LindsayShively)
At least a dozen people including FBI searching yard around vacant home at 38th & Brighton twitpic.com/6ytwlr

http://twitpic.com/6ytwlr

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 11:55:59 AM
LindsayShively Lindsay Shively Fixed links MB   http://twitter.com/#!LindsayShively (http://twitter.com/#!LindsayShively)
At least a dozen people including FBI searching yard around vacant home at 38th & Brighton twitpic.com/6ytwlr (http://twitpic.com/6ytwlr)

http://twitpic.com/6ytwlr

OS


didnt Deborah Post somewhere that she thinks the baby is buried in a family members yard? sorry if its rumored but I saw somewhere wondered if you knew? thanks!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 11, 2011, 11:59:03 AM
LindsayShively Lindsay Shively Fixed links MB    http://twitter.com/#!LindsayShively (http://twitter.com/#!LindsayShively)
At least a dozen people including FBI searching yard around vacant home at 38th & Brighton twitpic.com/6ytwlr (http://twitpic.com/6ytwlr)

http://twitpic.com/6ytwlr

OS

photo at the link above, I don't know how to bring it over


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: ospainter on October 11, 2011, 11:59:27 AM
LindsayShively Lindsay Shively  Fixed links MB    http://twitter.com/#!LindsayShively (http://twitter.com/#!LindsayShively)
At least a dozen people including FBI searching yard around vacant home at 38th & Brighton twitpic.com/6ytwlr (http://twitpic.com/6ytwlr)

http://twitpic.com/6ytwlr

OS


didnt Deborah Post somewhere that she thinks the baby is buried in a family members yard? sorry if its rumored but I saw somewhere wondered if you knew? thanks!

Sorry I haven't seen that post by a Deborah.

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 11, 2011, 12:02:41 PM
Live footage of chopper over the area now

 http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aUI1cYFV (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aUI1cYFV)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 12:07:35 PM
LindsayShively Lindsay Shively  Fixed links MB    http://twitter.com/#!LindsayShively (http://twitter.com/#!LindsayShively)
At least a dozen people including FBI searching yard around vacant home at 38th & Brighton twitpic.com/6ytwlr (http://twitpic.com/6ytwlr)

http://twitpic.com/6ytwlr

OS


ok thanks

didnt Deborah Post somewhere that she thinks the baby is buried in a family members yard? sorry if its rumored but I saw somewhere wondered if you knew? thanks!

Sorry I haven't seen that post by a Deborah.

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 11, 2011, 12:11:29 PM
LindsayShively Lindsay Shively  Fixed links MB    http://twitter.com/#!LindsayShively (http://twitter.com/#!LindsayShively)
At least a dozen people including FBI searching yard around vacant home at 38th & Brighton twitpic.com/6ytwlr (http://twitpic.com/6ytwlr)

http://twitpic.com/6ytwlr

OS

photo at the link above, I don't know how to bring it over

(http://s1.proxy03.twitpic.com/photos/large/421299279.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 11, 2011, 12:17:50 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29450328/detail.html
Crews Work To Access Well Found Under Deck Near Irwin Home
Stay With KMBC.com For Updates
POSTED: 10:28 am CDT October 11, 2011
UPDATED: 11:00 am CDT October 11, 2011

(http://www.kmbc.com/2011/1011/29450556_240X180.jpg)
Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29450328/detail.html#ixzz1aUT1ObEW


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 11, 2011, 12:19:11 PM
"KMBC's Brenda Washington said an abandoned home and lot was also being searched at 3838 North Brighton"

Helicopter photos:

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa07.jpg)

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa08.jpg)

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa09.jpg)

Someone will be pizzed when they return, if they don't know of police tearing down their porch.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Tolerance on October 11, 2011, 12:21:42 PM
How would someone put something in the well w/out dismantling the deck?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 11, 2011, 12:21:54 PM
I think Johnny Chivalette (Uncle) set up this FB page titled "In Loving Memory of Lisa Renee Irwin".

https://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Loving-Memory-of-Lisa-Renee-Irwin/300730869940449?sk=wall  (https://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Loving-Memory-of-Lisa-Renee-Irwin/300730869940449?sk=wall)

 ::snipping2::

   
Lisa was born on November 11th , 2010 and was reported missing on October 4th , 2011 in Kansas City , Missouri. Lisa Renee had blue eyes and blonde hair. She was just 30 inches tall and weighed between 26 and 30 pounds. She was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it. The baby is described as having two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough. Anyone with information is asked to call the TIPS Hotline at 816-474-8477.
Awards   
In Loving Memory of Lisa Ann Netz ( Chivalette ) , the deceased Grandmother of Lisa Renee Irwin who passed away on 4/10/01 at the age of 36 years old. Lisa Renee was named after her Grandmother Lisa.


the current husband Sean Bradley his MOMs middle name is Renee wonder if she named her after the current husbands mom ?and WHY?

What is Lisa's last name on her BC?  What hospital was she born at?  Military?  Speculation.

Was Mom covered on Dad's insurance policy?  Was the baby covered on his health care?  I wonder if $ was an issue, IMO.
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 11, 2011, 12:28:23 PM
North Brighton closed right now.

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 11, 2011, 12:28:31 PM
North Brighton is completely closed right now
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 11:21 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aUVrkbfh


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 11, 2011, 12:29:25 PM
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58305&page=26

Speculation from a poster that the property belongs to J.I. Uncomfimed.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 12:29:48 PM
I think Johnny Chivalette (Uncle) set up this FB page titled "In Loving Memory of Lisa Renee Irwin".

https://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Loving-Memory-of-Lisa-Renee-Irwin/300730869940449?sk=wall  (https://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Loving-Memory-of-Lisa-Renee-Irwin/300730869940449?sk=wall)

 ::snipping2::

   
Lisa was born on November 11th , 2010 and was reported missing on October 4th , 2011 in Kansas City , Missouri. Lisa Renee had blue eyes and blonde hair. She was just 30 inches tall and weighed between 26 and 30 pounds. She was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it. The baby is described as having two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough. Anyone with information is asked to call the TIPS Hotline at 816-474-8477.
Awards   
In Loving Memory of Lisa Ann Netz ( Chivalette ) , the deceased Grandmother of Lisa Renee Irwin who passed away on 4/10/01 at the age of 36 years old. Lisa Renee was named after her Grandmother Lisa.


the current husband Sean Bradley his MOMs middle name is Renee wonder if she named her after the current husbands mom ?and WHY?

What is Lisa's last name on her BC?  What hospital was she born at?  Military?  Speculation.

Was Mom covered on Dad's insurance policy?  Was the baby covered on his health care?  I wonder if $ was an issue, IMO.
 ::MonkeyEek::

I was thinking same thing why stay married and Pay? I wondered if the deborah had custody of Michael? I saw seans myspace with their sons pic.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cookie on October 11, 2011, 12:33:08 PM
Wow..wonder if they had a good tip to have that many LE out there and dismantling the deck.
I am thinking that LE is looking to the family as to this baby's disappearance.zeroing in on them..jmo


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Fanta on October 11, 2011, 12:35:03 PM
Buying the wine 5 hours before the baby goes missing may not be suspect,but where were the kids then? Were they home alone then and baby Lisa went missing at that time? Or something happened to the baby accidentally while mom was gone and mom came back and found Lisa dead? May be far fetched but who knows at this point.
I find mom suspicious..I hope that I am wrong. Dad seems distant perhaps because he is not buying her story either?
 
And if an intruder was going into the house,entering from the back of the house makes more sense...easier access and darker..


I'm going to quote you here and bump this up to save me the typing.  I was thinking hand in hand with your post - though I hope we're wrong - these are solid questions with no answers (that we know of).

peace


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: pharlap on October 11, 2011, 12:40:25 PM
I think Johnny Chivalette (Uncle) set up this FB page titled "In Loving Memory of Lisa Renee Irwin".

https://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Loving-Memory-of-Lisa-Renee-Irwin/300730869940449?sk=wall  (https://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Loving-Memory-of-Lisa-Renee-Irwin/300730869940449?sk=wall)

 ::snipping2::

   
Lisa was born on November 11th , 2010 and was reported missing on October 4th , 2011 in Kansas City , Missouri. Lisa Renee had blue eyes and blonde hair. She was just 30 inches tall and weighed between 26 and 30 pounds. She was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it. The baby is described as having two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough. Anyone with information is asked to call the TIPS Hotline at 816-474-8477.
Awards   
In Loving Memory of Lisa Ann Netz ( Chivalette ) , the deceased Grandmother of Lisa Renee Irwin who passed away on 4/10/01 at the age of 36 years old. Lisa Renee was named after her Grandmother Lisa.


the current husband Sean Bradley his MOMs middle name is Renee wonder if she named her after the current husbands mom ?and WHY?

What is Lisa's last name on her BC?  What hospital was she born at?  Military?  Speculation.

Was Mom covered on Dad's insurance policy?  Was the baby covered on his health care?  I wonder if $ was an issue, IMO.
 ::MonkeyEek::

I was thinking same thing why stay married and Pay? I wondered if the deborah had custody of Michael? I saw seans myspace with their sons pic.

Wonder if the father took the child, with the mother knowing, but not the stepfather?????    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 11, 2011, 12:42:52 PM
Apparently they will lower a person inside the well, they have brought equipment in and tested the air in the well.

According to KMBC, it was NOT a tip that brought them there, but something they needed to do.

Processing the well will take "some" time.

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: lanhawk on October 11, 2011, 12:45:42 PM
So is this the part of the story where Jose Baez   ::boxingbaez2::and Geraldo Rivera appear on the scene?  Sorry couldn't help myself, just added a little humor as this story makes me sick to my stomach. My prayers go out for this poor baby.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 11, 2011, 12:47:03 PM
We just received this statement from police, via email: Investigators received a tip about an abandoned house (3838 N Brighton) with a well in the area near Lisa Irwin's home. Detectives and KCFD are on scene checking the well in the rear of the residence.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 11:42 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aUaSY6pE


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 12:48:44 PM
(http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee509/Sallie1233/3838nbrighton.jpg)
http://gisweb.claycogov.com/realEstate/realEstateDetail.jsp?parcelid=18115000103200


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 11, 2011, 12:49:17 PM
Apparently they will lower a person inside the well, they have brought equipment in and tested the air in the well.

According to KMBC, it was NOT a tip that brought them there, but something they needed to do.

Processing the well will take "some" time.

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old



ABOUT THE TIP:

KMBC has changed its mind. Now it was REALLY about a tip:

"We just received this statement from police, via email: Investigators received a tip about an abandoned house (3838 N Brighton) with a well in the area near Lisa Irwin's home. Detectives and KCFD are on scene checking the well in the rear of the residence."

----

This may change later on today.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Gypsy DD on October 11, 2011, 12:49:32 PM
Apparently they will lower a person inside the well, they have brought equipment in and tested the air in the well.

According to KMBC, it was NOT a tip that brought them there, but something they needed to do.
Processing the well will take "some" time.

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old



BBM

Not quite understanding this whole thing..is the house with the deck being dismantled and the well ready to be searched the same house as they are isaying is abandoned..or are they searching two different properties?

Also..I think that Mom either left the kids alone while she went to the grocery store and something may have accidentaly happened to the baby then (although why she wouldn't have rushed her to the hospital or called 911 when she got home I don't quite get)  or  Mom brought the wine home and drank alittle too much and fell asleep with the lights on and the doors unlocked and someone took advantage of that situation.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Cherry6905 on October 11, 2011, 12:49:49 PM
Fox news is going to have a story on exactly what the police found inside home leading them to another man.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Gypsy DD on October 11, 2011, 12:52:07 PM
Fox news is going to have a story on exactly what the police found inside home leading them to another man.

Interesting..ty


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 12:54:19 PM
Fox news is going to have a story on exactly what the police found inside home leading them to another man.
Wow! do you know if it was the homeless man? I was thinking abandoned home- homesless man- fbi looking for homeless man they had a pic of him from ?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Cherry6905 on October 11, 2011, 12:56:14 PM
Streaming live http://emergencystream.com/video_streams/MO/KC1.html


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 11, 2011, 12:58:48 PM
Property records say the home is owned by MOORE, ORVILLE R
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 11:51 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aUdUDWpo


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 11, 2011, 12:59:55 PM
"KMBC's Brenda Washington said an abandoned home and lot was also being searched at 3838 North Brighton"

Helicopter photos:

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa07.jpg)

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa08.jpg)

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa09.jpg)

Someone will be pizzed when they return, if they don't know of police tearing down their porch.


Kind of like that old SNL skit of a group of guys watching "Cops" and one says "Hey, that looks like our house!!" And then the cops bust through the door, lol ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cookie on October 11, 2011, 01:00:54 PM
Fox news is going to have a story on exactly what the police found inside home leading them to another man.
Wow! do you know if it was the homeless man? I was thinking abandoned home- homesless man- fbi looking for homeless man they had a pic of him from ?

Could be any guy at this point.
It is strange that all these events happened on the first night that hubs worked the night shift..mom at a store buying wine with another man,children seem to not be with her, baby Lisa disappears....all too coincidental?
maybe the older children told LE some interesting tidbits?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 11, 2011, 01:01:46 PM
Streaming live http://emergencystream.com/video_streams/MO/KC1.html

Thanks Cherry, I hadn't come across that site before  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: islandmonkey on October 11, 2011, 01:01:55 PM
Fox news is going to have a story on exactly what the police found inside home leading them to another man.

'
I just heard that toom I am at work and couldn't get on SM fast enough..... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cartfly on October 11, 2011, 01:03:37 PM
The scanner at radioreference has gone off line completely......


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: islandmonkey on October 11, 2011, 01:04:23 PM
"KMBC's Brenda Washington said an abandoned home and lot was also being searched at 3838 North Brighton"

Helicopter photos:

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa07.jpg)

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa08.jpg)

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa09.jpg)

Someone will be pizzed when they return, if they don't know of police tearing down their porch.


Kind of like that old SNL skit of a group of guys watching "Cops" and one says "Hey, that looks like our house!!" And then the cops bust through the door, lol ::MonkeyDevil::
Brighton looks like it backs up to Lister................ ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 11, 2011, 01:04:40 PM
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/11/69c8aaa5-2efd-40d7-beb5-0530de4c6eb0_400.jpg)
Another view of the search from KMBC's Laz Abalos
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 11:58 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aUevZAma


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 11, 2011, 01:05:56 PM
http://twitter.com/#!LindsayShively (http://twitter.com/#!LindsayShively)

LindsayShively Lindsay Shively
@kcpolice say no tip led them to property, detectives just noticed house is vacant w/well under deck. Thought it search-worthy. #LisaIrwin
25 minutes ago
Lindsay Shively
LindsayShively Lindsay Shively
@
@dannyboi965 agreed. We're all hoping this isn't the right tip.
35 minutes ago
Lindsay Shively
LindsayShively Lindsay Shively
Looks like KCFD sending someone down into well, masked, down 25-30 feet
42 minutes ago
Lindsay Shively
LindsayShively Lindsay Shively
I'm seeing fire crews take ropes & equipment into backyard twitpic.com/6yu44l
1 hour ago
Lindsay Shively
LindsayShively Lindsay Shively
Watching KCFD set up a tripod on deck to lower someone down, being told they were testing air quality before they send someone down...
1 hour ago


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 11, 2011, 01:07:01 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/EricKCTV5 (http://twitter.com/#!/EricKCTV5)
EricKCTV5 Eric Chaloux
PD and FD searching a well at vacant home a few blocks away from #LisaIrwin home.
3 minutes ago
Mark Boyle
MarkKCTV5 Mark Boyle
by EricKCTV5
For an hour now #KCMO technical rescue crews have been searching this deep well for #lisairwin ... Chopper 5 is visible overhead
7 minutes ago


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 01:07:04 PM
Fox news is going to have a story on exactly what the police found inside home leading them to another man.
Wow! do you know if it was the homeless man? I was thinking abandoned home- homesless man- fbi looking for homeless man they had a pic of him from ?

Could be any guy at this point.
It is strange that all these events happened on the first night that hubs worked the night shift..mom at a store buying wine with another man,children seem to not be with her, baby Lisa disappears....all too coincidental?
maybe the older children told LE some interesting tidbits?


thats true very Odd that did happen while dad was gone and there is a mystery man. I think thats why the grand jury wants the news footage this guy is on it somewhere. I want to know who he is.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Cherry6905 on October 11, 2011, 01:11:19 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/?watchLive=wdaf-tivid-live-stream-content-item-1

Photos of abandoned home: http://www.kmbc.com/slideshow/news/29450718/detail.html?qs=1;s=1;p=news&dm=ss&tn=b

Google Map of House and Irwin home. If you zoom into street view you'll see house was overgrown with vines. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=206587506268968282998.0004af0809a4c6d9aca80&msa=0


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 11, 2011, 01:15:08 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/11/3200177/northland-well-being-searched.html
Northland well being searched as part of baby Irwin case
October 11, 2011 11:57 a.m.
(http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2011/10/11/11/26/tcSUz.Em.81.jpg)
JILL TOYOSHIBA
Kansas City Fire Department personnel searched a well under a deck at an unoccupied home 3800 block of North Brighton Avenue as the search for Lisa Irwin continued.

Kansas City firefighters are searching a Northland well in connection with the case of missing baby Lisa Irwin, who was born 11 months ago today.

Firefighters were sent to the backyard of a vacant home in the 3800 block of North Brighton Avenue about 10:30 this morning to search a 3-foot-wide well under a deck. The home is two blocks east and two blocks north of the Irwin home.

Workers set up a tripod and other equipment on the deck before lowering a firefighter into the well at 11:11 a.m. The firefighter reported feeling something but wasn’t sure what. Firefighters lowered a different person into the well at 11:45 a.m.

No one tip lead police to that location, but “it was the prudent thing to do,” said Capt. Steve Young, a police spokesman.

The house has been empty for several years, neighbors say, and has become an eyesore. The roof has holes in it.

Police shut down Brighton at Parvin Road during the search.

Also today, an aunt of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin told The Star that comments she gave on Good Morning America this morning were taken out of context and she had no knowledge of any police plan to arrest the girl’s mother.

“It is my fault because I did not choose my words carefully enough to articulate the point I was trying to convey,” said Ashley Irwin.

Hypothetically, Irwin said, police tend to focus their investigative efforts on the parents of a missing child if other leads fail to materialize.
“When they don’t have suspects, when they don’t have any leads, then it always circles back around to square one, which is the parents,” she told The Star.

Earlier, on television, she said: “It is what the police do; they don’t have any leads so they have to pin it on somebody.”

In response to the television interview, Young said any claim that police were trying to pin the disappearance on the child’s mother “was absolutely not true.”

“We don’t feel any pressure to accuse any body,” Young said. “We are under pressure to do what we can to find a child.”

He added that he hasn’t heard anything about a pending arrest in the case. He said is a “bit of a stretch” and “speculation” by the family that an arrest was coming soon.

 ::snipping2::
Norval C. Nichols, who lives about a block from Lisa’s home, said that police showed him a photograph last week of the homeless man and asked about any possible connection to the missing child. The man once was seen in the neighborhood riding a red bicycle, he said.

Nichols said he also saw the man about a week or two before Lisa was reported missing, but not afterward. The two men spoke briefly at a nearby park weeks ago. The man told Nichols that he was looking for a job or any handiwork in the neighborhood.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/11/3200177/northland-well-being-searched.html#ixzz1aUhchKpw

 ::snipping2::






Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 11, 2011, 01:17:49 PM
Don't forget dumpster fire is also on way to abandoned house.   May not be a part of this but sure odd that it happened that same morning.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 01:18:59 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/?watchLive=wdaf-tivid-live-stream-content-item-1

Photos of abandoned home: http://www.kmbc.com/slideshow/news/29450718/detail.html?qs=1;s=1;p=news&dm=ss&tn=b

Google Map of House and Irwin home. If you zoom into street view you'll see house was overgrown with vines. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=206587506268968282998.0004af0809a4c6d9aca80&msa=0

I googled and saw it wierd. eww and there is a real run down apt complex accross the way. it is approx 20 min from irwins home.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 11, 2011, 01:20:08 PM


Tip Leads Authorities to Search Well for Baby Lisa

FOX 4 Web Staff
 
11:45 a.m. CDT, October 11, 2011
KANSAS CITY, Mo.—
The Kansas City Missouri Fire Department confirmed on Tuesday morning that they were assisting in a search of a well on N. Brighton in the case of missing Lisa Irwin.

Police were disassembling a deck structure to search the well at 39th and N. Brighton, behind an empty house. Sgt. Stacey Graves said a tip led investigators to search the property of an abandoned house with an old well on the property

 ::snipping2::



http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-review-grocery-surveillance-deborah-bradley-20111010,0,3702048.story


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 11, 2011, 01:20:11 PM
A water truck has arrived on the scene, they are going to try to pump some water out of the well
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 12:16 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aUirvLbi


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Cherry6905 on October 11, 2011, 01:20:41 PM
Fox News just reported the tips came from criminal informants who kept encouraging the Police to look closely at the mother.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: islandmonkey on October 11, 2011, 01:22:57 PM
I was on the phone with a customer and missed the Fox Nes report about what was found in the home......anyone hear it?

Also watching the fire trucks arrive at the scene with the well/abandonded home, send shivers down my shine :(


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 01:23:13 PM
Don't forget dumpster fire is also on way to abandoned house.   May not be a part of this but sure odd that it happened that same morning.
thanks for the reminder! and what about screams in the woods and landfill checked 3 times? they obviously think shes dead and have thought this for some reason.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 01:25:41 PM
Fox News just reported the tips came from criminal informants who kept encouraging the Police to look closely at the mother.
WOWE and the criminals know her ? wow cant wait to hear whats all going on... if we ever do :)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 11, 2011, 01:27:35 PM
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/11/f456e543-ccd5-48f4-947c-d4295b14ca9c_400.jpg)
A truck has arrived on the scene to pump water out of the well.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 12:17 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aUkinS74


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 11, 2011, 01:28:42 PM
I was on the phone with a customer and missed the Fox Nes report about what was found in the home......anyone hear it?

Also watching the fire trucks arrive at the scene with the well/abandonded home, send shivers down my shine :(

The fire trucks may be there to "hose off" workers....J.Q.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: MuffyBee on October 11, 2011, 01:29:07 PM
http://twitter.com/#!LindsayShively (http://twitter.com/#!LindsayShively)

LindsayShively Lindsay Shively
2 huge trucks w/large water tanks & hose just pulled up to well twitpic.com/6yv5yl (http://twitpic.com/6yv5yl)
4 minutes ago


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 11, 2011, 01:31:30 PM
Fox News just reported the tips came from criminal informants who kept encouraging the Police to look closely at the mother.

MIL claims mom is a good person...right.  IMO 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wbaw0724 on October 11, 2011, 01:35:31 PM
Probably alonzo washington blogger, i heard some talking about him earlier


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 11, 2011, 01:37:09 PM
Probably alonzo washington blogger, i heard some talking about him earlier


me too.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 11, 2011, 01:42:47 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-review-grocery-surveillance-deborah-bradley-20111010,0,3702048.story

IDK if this was posted yet or not.  LE has the video footage of the shopping trip for box wine so I assume they probably know who the mystery man is.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cadillac on October 11, 2011, 01:47:51 PM
Remember when the authorities hauled Misty down to the river/water and observed her actions when they were looking for Haleigh?

Maybe they should haul Mommie over to this house/well while they search it?  hmmmm


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 11, 2011, 01:55:09 PM
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/11/da4e69c0-846f-40c6-ae6f-0111dfffe54a_400.jpg)

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aUkinS74


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 11, 2011, 01:56:57 PM
Where is the so called award money?   ::MonkeyEek::

The family (reportly) sold $15.00 t-shirts at Nascar, for a fundraiser? 
The fund was not set-up at the time, I realize, yesterday the banks were closed. 
How long does it take to set-up account for an award, for information?



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 11, 2011, 01:59:59 PM
Remember when the authorities hauled Misty down to the river/water and observed her actions when they were looking for Haleigh?

Maybe they should haul Mommie over to this house/well while they search it?  hmmmm

These are things I will never get about any parent of a missing child.  I would be there right now...so far up there (LE's) butts they would feel me.  I don't think...I know I could not stand around waiting to hear something/anything.

So I could easily see a sign of guilt with this so I just try to keep my trap shut about touchy feely because I am different.  So yeah I'd haul their butts there and make them watch.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: BlueKYGirl on October 11, 2011, 02:00:57 PM


when my daughter was sick, we left the ER to go home in middle of night there was a homeless man asked me to hold her I said no LE was accross from me watching. they said he prob wanted to take her to BUY CRACK

That is highly disturbing. And sad.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 11, 2011, 02:01:12 PM
This was posted on locked twitter. I dont have FB.. Can someone check it out.

It was about helping young mother coping with enormous responsiblities in raising children .

Johnny Chiaravallotti family member of Lisa Irwin talks about young moms mistakes on FB post
4 minutes ago


Thx star.. I didnt want to post as the twitter was locked and didnt think I had the right too..
Hugs..



Johnny Chiaravallotti family member of Lisa Irwin talks about young moms mistakes on FB post http://twitpic.com/6yr1kg
http://tinyurl.com/3mruxod





Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 11, 2011, 02:05:59 PM
(http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee509/Sallie1233/3838nbrighton.jpg)
http://gisweb.claycogov.com/realEstate/realEstateDetail.jsp?parcelid=18115000103200

I notice that the owner has a different mailing address, which usually means the house is a rental.  Wonder if the house was rented to Mr. Myster Wine Box Drinker man or if Mr. Homeless Man (who could be one and the same) was 'squatting' in this house?  Perhaps the tips that LE is receiving from 'criminal' type people involve knowing this man occupying this home and knowing about him being involved with the mother?

I read that the boys are staying with other family members.  I feel for them and what they must be going through.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 11, 2011, 02:08:20 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/?watchLive=wdaf-tivid-live-stream-content-item-1

live feed link.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 11, 2011, 02:09:51 PM


Tip Leads Authorities to Search Well for Baby Lisa

FOX 4 Web Staff
 
11:45 a.m. CDT, October 11, 2011
KANSAS CITY, Mo.—
The Kansas City Missouri Fire Department confirmed on Tuesday morning that they were assisting in a search of a well on N. Brighton in the case of missing Lisa Irwin.

Police were disassembling a deck structure to search the well at 39th and N. Brighton, behind an empty house. Sgt. Stacey Graves said a tip led investigators to search the property of an abandoned house with an old well on the property

 ::snipping2::



http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-review-grocery-surveillance-deborah-bradley-20111010,0,3702048.story

It could also be that the actual owner of this home, knowing it is vacant right now, thought it would be the responsible thing to do to contact LE to let them know its vacant in case they thought it should be checked.  Would make sense how LE would know about the well which obviously ownly an owner or occupant would be aware was even there. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 11, 2011, 02:12:03 PM
NewsChopper 9 has landed to refuel, we'll bring you live pictures again shortly
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 1:08 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aUvvjLoW


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Cherry6905 on October 11, 2011, 02:12:28 PM
Does anyone know who is running this page: https://www.facebook.com/find.lisa

They sure are busy and very defensive. I thought I heard news media speak about a reward fund being set up?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: BlueKYGirl on October 11, 2011, 02:14:30 PM
Out of curiosity, how old are Lisa's older brothers? (Just wondering if they'd be reasonably capable of taking care of a baby while their mom ran to the store).


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 11, 2011, 02:16:58 PM


From the Lisa Irwin Updates FB page under post regarding searching of abandoned well:

https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall&filter=1#!/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall (https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall&filter=1#!/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall)

Tovah Brewer - The text and clothes are a RUMOR!! So what about the wine, doesn't mean she got wasted that night, what's wrong with winding down with a glass.... And who's to say it wasn't for a get together they were planning. The 'unidentified' male is known by the family so get over it!!! I am not saying parents are innocent but what if they are??? We are not detectives and do not have all the details, let's not bash the family until its proven they had something to do with it!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: BlueKYGirl on October 11, 2011, 02:18:47 PM
Fox News just reported the tips came from criminal informants who kept encouraging the Police to look closely at the mother.

That's interesting. I wonder what their connection to the mother is.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 11, 2011, 02:21:53 PM
I wonder if they could sent a scope with a light or radar  down in the well like the plumbers do
to find a clog in an underground pipe?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Cherry6905 on October 11, 2011, 02:22:46 PM
In case you haven't seen the subpoena for Grand Jury on 18th: http://www.kctv5.com/story/15661276/kctv5-receives-subpoeana-in-search-for-baby-lisa

I guess they'll just let them hang themselves?

PS I heard they were turning off all power lines and trying to drain the cistern.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Pattianne on October 11, 2011, 02:24:19 PM
I wonder if they could sent a scope with a light or radar  down in the well like the plumbers do
to find a clog in an underground pipe?

I believe one of the broadcasts said they are going to lower a siphon pump down which will siphon up any debris in the well.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 11, 2011, 02:25:19 PM
Out of curiosity, how old are Lisa's older brothers? (Just wondering if they'd be reasonably capable of taking care of a baby while their mom ran to the store).

I think 6 and 8?  I know in my state 8 is latch key acceptable as my niece informed me when she was eight so I looked it up!!!  Not on my watch tho.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 11, 2011, 02:25:40 PM
I wonder if they could sent a scope with a light or radar  down in the well like the plumbers do
to find a clog in an underground pipe?

I believe one of the broadcasts said they are going to lower a siphon pump down which will siphon up any debris in the well.

Uggg.. This is so sad..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: BlueKYGirl on October 11, 2011, 02:27:00 PM
Out of curiosity, how old are Lisa's older brothers? (Just wondering if they'd be reasonably capable of taking care of a baby while their mom ran to the store).

I think 6 and 8?  I know in my state 8 is latch key acceptable as my niece informed me when she was eight so I looked it up!!!  Not on my watch tho.

Really!!

Still, I guess it's plausible that the mom thought the kids would be ok for a few minutes. Thanks for the info!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 11, 2011, 02:27:33 PM
Gotta go back to work.. Prayers for Baby Lisa..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: BlueKYGirl on October 11, 2011, 02:30:04 PM
I wonder if they could sent a scope with a light or radar  down in the well like the plumbers do
to find a clog in an underground pipe?

I believe one of the broadcasts said they are going to lower a siphon pump down which will siphon up any debris in the well.

Uggg.. This is so sad..

I know. I have a 6-month-old sleeping sweetly upstairs, and the thought of them dragging a well for little Lisa just breaks my heart.

Which brings me to another point: what parent in this day and age doesn't have a monitor on their baby at naptime and at night? That was the first thing that struck me odd about this case--where was the baby monitor? My baby can't sneeze or roll over without me knowing about it.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 11, 2011, 02:31:20 PM

Can someone help me find the link to photos or news video of the inside of Lisa's home?  I thought it was posted on here...hunting but cannot find it.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 11, 2011, 02:36:09 PM
sounds like they are finally pumping on the livefeed.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 11, 2011, 02:36:57 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-review-grocery-surveillance-deborah-bradley-20111010,0,3702048.story

IDK if this was posted yet or not.  LE has the video footage of the shopping trip for box wine so I assume they probably know who the mystery man is.



I think they do to and starting to think LE knows who he is and don't have concerns about him.  The mother had mentioned that the children were watching a movie that evening with the neighbor child.  Could it be that she and the neighbor child's father, went to the store to purchase the wine and either left the children with the neighbors older child or wife?  And then they came back to have a glass of wine while they were watchign the movie?  That doesn't sound very suspect to me.  Unless she for some reason was hiding this trip or the wine from LE on purpose.  Don't know why she would do that, though, if so.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: wildmala on October 11, 2011, 02:38:49 PM

Can someone help me find the link to photos or news video of the inside of Lisa's home?  I thought it was posted on here...hunting but cannot find it.

Found what I was looking for.  Sorry.

http://www.kmbc.com/r-slideshow/29427385/detail.html


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 11, 2011, 02:40:25 PM
whew i checked in today to see about the wine and guy,and now the LE
are ripping someones deck up

about the wine and man,the only thing i can think is,he is on vid with DB
getting in a car with her or V&V,is how the LE know they are friends

thanks for the live feed
http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/?watchLive=wdaf-tivid-live-stream-content-item-1

this link is still down
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=wp&feedId=7494

county is up
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=1502


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 02:46:13 PM
(http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee509/Sallie1233/3838nbrighton.jpg)
http://gisweb.claycogov.com/realEstate/realEstateDetail.jsp?parcelid=18115000103200

I notice that the owner has a different mailing address, which usually means the house is a rental.  Wonder if the house was rented to Mr. Myster Wine Box Drinker man or if Mr. Homeless Man (who could be one and the same) was 'squatting' in this house?  Perhaps the tips that LE is receiving from 'criminal' type people involve knowing this man occupying this home and knowing about him being involved with the mother?

I read that the boys are staying with other family members.  I feel for them and what they must be going through.



I was thinking along the same lines wonder if we will ever know...I too feel for those kids its very sad


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: seahorse on October 11, 2011, 02:50:11 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-review-grocery-surveillance-deborah-bradley-20111010,0,3702048.story

IDK if this was posted yet or not.  LE has the video footage of the shopping trip for box wine so I assume they probably know who the mystery man is.



I think they do to and starting to think LE knows who he is and don't have concerns about him.  The mother had mentioned that the children were watching a movie that evening with the neighbor child.  Could it be that she and the neighbor child's father, went to the store to purchase the wine and either left the children with the neighbors older child or wife?  And then they came back to have a glass of wine while they were watchign the movie?  That doesn't sound very suspect to me.  Unless she for some reason was hiding this trip or the wine from LE on purpose.  Don't know why she would do that, though, if so.

Unless she was havig a "ringy dingy" in the camper :)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 02:50:14 PM
In case you haven't seen the subpoena for Grand Jury on 18th: http://www.kctv5.com/story/15661276/kctv5-receives-subpoeana-in-search-for-baby-lisa

I guess they'll just let them hang themselves?

PS I heard they were turning off all power lines and trying to drain the cistern.
they said one of them men that went down there felt something in there


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 02:53:44 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-review-grocery-surveillance-deborah-bradley-20111010,0,3702048.story

IDK if this was posted yet or not.  LE has the video footage of the shopping trip for box wine so I assume they probably know who the mystery man is.



I think they do to and starting to think LE knows who he is and don't have concerns about him.  The mother had mentioned that the children were watching a movie that evening with the neighbor child.  Could it be that she and the neighbor child's father, went to the store to purchase the wine and either left the children with the neighbors older child or wife?  And then they came back to have a glass of wine while they were watchign the movie?  That doesn't sound very suspect to me.  Unless she for some reason was hiding this trip or the wine from LE on purpose.  Don't know why she would do that, though, if so.

she did say they were watching a movie with Marias kid she said she was talking outside with her neighbor Maria.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: cw618 on October 11, 2011, 02:55:43 PM
news man say cistern were common back in the 50-60s,wonder if irwin home has a cistern

fox report vid about an hour ago
http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/bc84ae9f-d2cb-4860-8c2e-14fcc8dabe20/News/Investigators-Search-Well-for-Missing-Baby-Lisa


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Cherry6905 on October 11, 2011, 02:56:44 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-review-grocery-surveillance-deborah-bradley-20111010,0,3702048.story

IDK if this was posted yet or not.  LE has the video footage of the shopping trip for box wine so I assume they probably know who the mystery man is.



I think they do to and starting to think LE knows who he is and don't have concerns about him.  The mother had mentioned that the children were watching a movie that evening with the neighbor child.  Could it be that she and the neighbor child's father, went to the store to purchase the wine and either left the children with the neighbors older child or wife?  And then they came back to have a glass of wine while they were watchign the movie?  That doesn't sound very suspect to me.  Unless she for some reason was hiding this trip or the wine from LE on purpose.  Don't know why she would do that, though, if so.

she did say they were watching a movie with Marias kid she said she was talking outside with her neighbor Maria.

Yes she did - a fairytale video


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 11, 2011, 02:58:20 PM
This was posted on locked twitter. I dont have FB.. Can someone check it out.

It was about helping young mother coping with enormous responsiblities in raising children .

Johnny Chiaravallotti family member of Lisa Irwin talks about young moms mistakes on FB post
4 minutes ago


Mornin', you have a link to it?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12149.msg1474857#msg1474857
Hi Klass been a while since i posted but I always read here. I wonder why the Uncle of Deborah is concerned about her dad?

Sorry, was gone for a few hours and just got back.  Not sure.

http://www.facebook.com/JohnnyChivalette


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 02:58:27 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-review-grocery-surveillance-deborah-bradley-20111010,0,3702048.story

IDK if this was posted yet or not.  LE has the video footage of the shopping trip for box wine so I assume they probably know who the mystery man is.



I think they do to and starting to think LE knows who he is and don't have concerns about him.  The mother had mentioned that the children were watching a movie that evening with the neighbor child.  Could it be that she and the neighbor child's father, went to the store to purchase the wine and either left the children with the neighbors older child or wife?  And then they came back to have a glass of wine while they were watchign the movie?  That doesn't sound very suspect to me.  Unless she for some reason was hiding this trip or the wine from LE on purpose.  Don't know why she would do that, though, if so.

she did say they were watching a movie with Marias kid she said she was talking outside with her neighbor Maria.

Yes she did - a fairytale video
yes those were her exact words


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: Gypsy DD on October 11, 2011, 02:58:56 PM
Surprised they just didn't send a camera down there..they use them for wells and septics all the time to examine the inside.

I still don't get the GJ requests..which means they must have this case..but why didn't they use the normal channels of going through a judge for the newscast review?

GJ's make me very nervous..they pan out sometimes..but most times not so much..Terri Horman never a peep, the recent case in Texas with Hailey I believe also involved the GJ..and still no arrests in either case ..nor body found.  Then Drew Peterson..atleast he was put in jail for the suspected murder of his third wife..but the GJ into his present and missing wife Stacey..still nothing....seems early in this case to bring in the GJ


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: klaasend on October 11, 2011, 03:01:21 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15666337/police-search-well-near-irwin-home (http://www.kctv5.com/story/15666337/police-search-well-near-irwin-home)

Tip leads crews to search well near Irwin home
Posted: Oct 11, 2011 8:52 AM PDT Updated: Oct 11, 2011 11:52 AM PDT
By Chris Oberholtz, Multimedia Producer - email
By DeAnn Smith, Digital Content Manager - email
By Mark Boyle, Reporter - bio | email
By Dave Pinter, Assignment Manager - email

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

Police and firefighters are searching a well underneath a deck at a vacant home located near Lisa Irwin's home in their continued search for missing baby Lisa Irwin.

A flurry of activity began before 11 a.m. Tuesday. Dozens of police, FBI agents and firefighters converged on the home in the 3800 block of North Brighton Avenue.

Kansas City Water Department crews are helping pump the well Tuesday afternoon.

Police have released few details about what led them to the vacant home, which is about a half mile from baby Lisa's home on North Lister Avenue.

Lisa's parents reported her missing a week ago. She turns 11 months old on Tuesday.

A neighbor tells KCTV5 that he did not even know the house had a deck because it was so overgrown with weeds.

Crews cut out a portion of the deck to gain access to the well.
 ::snipping2::

Video at the link above


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 Months, KC MO, Missing since 10-04-11
Post by: StarMonkey on October 11, 2011, 03:01:56 PM
This was posted on locked twitter. I dont have FB.. Can someone check it out.

It was about helping young mother coping with enormous responsiblities in raising children .

Johnny Chiaravallotti family member of Lisa Irwin