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From the previous thread:

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/11/3200177/northland-well-being-searched.html
Nothing found in well searched as part of baby Irwin case
By ROBERT A. CRONKLETON, GLENN E. RICE and BRIAN BURNES
The Kansas City Star

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/11/3200177/northland-well-being-searched.html#ixzz1aVWM0wom

Phew....I just panicked when I saw the thread was moved though in my heart I don't think this is going to end well. ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm still coming up empty handed.  Anyone else???  Thanks!

Good afternoon Monkey's,


I hope some newsy outlet asks about the "reward fund" that was being set-up for Baby Lisa.

This case sounds like Misty and Ronald Cummings, who were in no rush about setting up a reward...I believe their Church
set-up the funds, when they were in Tent City.  IMO.

This stints, sorry, what kind of friggin' age is this where the parents show pictures & videos?  Why arn't the parents searching
like Mr.Anthony, with a sandwich sign?  Sorry, this just stinks, where is the baby, someone should ask hard questions.  IMO

I believe CBB said she heard it on FoxNews.  I'll see if I can find it.

Video about the grocery store search.  They went there after finding a receipt in the house search:

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/?watchId=b375d909-2080-48aa-ba08-72d7cf2a98ec (http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/?watchId=b375d909-2080-48aa-ba08-72d7cf2a98ec)

The reports make is sound like they searched the grocery store only after finding a receipt and not because it was someplace Lisa's mom had told LE.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-police-search-abandoned-house/story?id=14709800
Missing Baby Lisa: Police Search Nearby Abandoned Well
By CLAYTON SANDELL (@Clayton_Sandell) , KEVIN DOLAK and CHRISTINA NG
Oct. 11, 2011
Video at link.
The search for missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin entered its second week today with Kansas City police searching the well of an abandoned house near the girl's home for several hours before hitting another dead end.

More than a dozen investigators and firefighters crowded around an opening created in the old wooden deck to access the well. A yellow and red tripod was set up to lower firefighters into the well. But several hours later, the well had been drained and nothing was found.

This was the latest attempt to make progress in a case that has baffled investigators and left them grasping for new ideas.
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Thank you Cherry6905 for the link to that fb account.  I brought it forward hope you don't mind.

quote from Cherry6905;
This is Deb's Aunt Cindy Chivalette LeRette, didn't I see her speaking for the family a few times. I think it was she who came out to the reporters and said the Irwins had a deal with a major network.
There are some photos that will break your heart. They look like they maybe from Irwin home, photo of Jeremy too. Looking like a pretty normal family. It's sad.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1371879346&sk=wall

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I think I know why the office window was accidently left opened by mom...I do believe she smokes...I wondered being a fellow smoker myself, now I see the way she is holding her hand in some of the pic's and the smokes in the background, imo.

I believe CBB said she heard it on FoxNews.  I'll see if I can find it.
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Video about the grocery store search.  They went there after finding a receipt in the house search:

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/?watchId=b375d909-2080-48aa-ba08-72d7cf2a98ec (http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/?watchId=b375d909-2080-48aa-ba08-72d7cf2a98ec)

The reports make is sound like they searched the grocery store only after finding a receipt and not because it was someplace Lisa's mom had told LE.
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That just burns me.  Not at you of course, lol, but the reporters.  Why can't they just come right out and say YES the mother told, or NO she did not.  It's this kind of half-truth reporting that muddying up the waters.

Like the report of the baby monitor.  'Yes, there was a baby monitor by Lisa's bed...'  But not one cop or reported said if it was turned on or working...

So yeah I'm a little frustrated.  Thanks tons for your help though!  :)

Here's the link to the report I heard today. The question of whether the Mom told police about the grocery store trip is not answered in it. The police spokesman does say that the trip and the cell phone records won't further the investigation:

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/america-live/index.html#/v/1213082996001/abandoned-well-searched-for-baby-lisa/?playlist_id=87651

Video about the grocery store search.  They went there after finding a receipt in the house search:

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/?watchId=b375d909-2080-48aa-ba08-72d7cf2a98ec (http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/?watchId=b375d909-2080-48aa-ba08-72d7cf2a98ec)

The reports make is sound like they searched the grocery store only after finding a receipt and not because it was someplace Lisa's mom had told LE.
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That just burns me.  Not at you of course, lol, but the reporters.  Why can't they just come right out and say YES the mother told, or NO she did not.  It's this kind of half-truth reporting that muddying up the waters.

Like the report of the baby monitor.  'Yes, there was a baby monitor by Lisa's bed...'  But not one cop or reported said if it was turned on or working...

So yeah I'm a little frustrated.  Thanks tons for your help though!  :)
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http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/america-live/index.html#/v/1213082996001/abandoned-well-searched-for-baby-lisa/?playlist_id=87651

I found this one that CBB fouund, it addresses  the video of store, so i guess the trip to the store was no big deal....

Home involved in the search for #LisaIrwin where focused their attention on a well behind the home is being torn down. #findbabylisa #KCTV5
https://twitter.com/#!/NimaKCTV5 (https://twitter.com/#!/NimaKCTV5)

so are they tearing the whole house down?

CBB thank you for the info you posted.. I dont know why they just dont say the guy at store was not involved or suspected. they keep us guessing, so good to know.too bad the cell phones turned up nothing too.

Trying to catch up..

Missing Baby Lisa Irwin: What Are Police Looking For?

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On Monday, Grand jury subpoenas were sent to multiple Kansas City television stations, requesting "all footage, including raw footage of any interviews or statements given by neighbors, family or friends of the family, regarding missing baby, Lisa Irwin."

Jim Roberts, a spokesman for the prosecutor's office, told the Associated Press that the subpoenas were needed to prevent broadcasters from destroying video in the event it might be needed at a future date.

R. Michael Cassidy, a professor at Boston College Law School, told MSNBC there could be several reasons for seeking the footage  -- including an attempt to identify inconsistencies in Lisa's parents' accounts of the events surrounding her disappearance.

"It could mean that they have one or both of the parents as suspects, and they are developing evidence of everything they said in the past and prior to the arrest," Cassidy told MSNBC Tuesday. "To show that someone's story has shifted over time can also be very damning."

continued..

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/229262/20111011/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-parents-police-fbi-search-disappear-investigate-kansas-city-well-reenactment.htm

JeaneneKCTV5 Jeanene Kiesling
by NimaKCTV5
Baby Lisa's family gathering at Northland home. yfrog.com/nyb33mtj
1 hour ago https://twitter.com/#!/NimaKCTV5 (https://twitter.com/#!/NimaKCTV5)
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House where the search for baby Lisa was conducted on Tuesday has been demolished. Not exactly sure why.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 4:16 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aWCgbART

Video on vacant torn down home..

Neighbors React To Vacant House Search
Nothing Found In Search Of Well Behind Home

POSTED: 5:40 pm CDT October 11, 2011
UPDATED: 5:59 pm CDT October 11, 2011

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29455319/detail.html#ixzz1aWDb67wx
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Once again I am going to say this because I said it in the other thread...I don't ever hold much hope in a case where they go to the GJ this early..they are grasping at straws, IMO.

Any case where they have gone to a GJ this early has always focused on a family member and come up empty.  Think Hailey in Texas, Kyron Horman in Oregon, and then Drew Peterson in Illinois..no arrest warrant surfaced...and they could have just used the regular judge issuing the search warrant or whatever they want.

I say that LE is in the nowhere zone..and therefore focused on the family..but I don't see a family problem here...as I did in the past three cases I mentioned.   I think that Mom fell asleep with the lights on and the door unlocked and someone who knows the family or has been watching the family took advantage of the situation.  Not everybody in suburbs locks their doors every night..and someone might have been watching and realized that the Dad was working overnight shift and the Mom was there alone..forget the unlocked doors and the lights..lots of crimes happen with locked doors and lights out..and still people go missing.

I was just reading alzona washington blog on myspace.....he does have emails on there between him in law enforcement about the kids being interviewed.................I don't take alot of stock in what he says..........but just thought i would share it.......
http://www.myspace.com/alonzo_washington/blog

Jane on HLN covering baby Lisa now

IMO LE should do a canine search along N. Brighton Avenue and Armour Road.  There are not too many street lamps and the proximity to the house is very convenient.  MOO.

This area HERE (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&gs_upl=1196l11169l0l11472l35l23l2l5l6l1l526l3978l8.8.4.1.1.1l29l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1253&bih=887&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=us+treasury+dept+kansas+city+mo&fb=1&gl=us&hq=us+treasury+dept&hnear=0x87c0f75eafe99997:0x558525e66aaa51a2,Kansas+City,+MO&cid=0,0,5486949358204951598&ei=PN2UTtCEB6rmiAK55YzoBA&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&ved=0CAQQ_BI) (Click on Satellite map)

From the other thread:


Sorry if this has been already asked, but what's with the wording here?  Lisa had, Lisa was???



Is this true or just a rumor?  LE can't do that, can they?  Charge someone without a shred of evidence?  What's the "connection?"

The part about charging Deborah, the mother, came from a mornign interview where an Aunt of hers speculated this was the case.  Since then LE has come out and said not true and the aunt backtracked and said she didn't explain things correctly in the interview.

However..with a GJ convened and looking at evidence..that usually involves LE trying to get the arrest of a family member without much evidence...I keep saying this..no response.   

Thanks Gypsy. 

Gypsy...responding...read your post earlier too.  Always read your posts even though I don't respond to each one...xxxxxxxx ::MonkeyKiss::

I hear you and agree about the rushing of the GJ.  I'm not convinced of anything yet except that a baby is missing.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-say-reports-of-inevitable-arrest-in-lisa-irwin-case-are-a-stretch (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-say-reports-of-inevitable-arrest-in-lisa-irwin-case-are-a-stretch)

Police say reports of inevitable arrest in Lisa Irwin case are a 'stretch'

Posted: 10/11/2011
Last Updated: 9 hours and 48 minutes ago

    By: Aaron Heintzelman

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Kansas City police spokesman says claims that the arrest of a missing 10-month-old girl’s mother is inevitable are “a stretch.”

In a live interview on NBC Action News Today, Capt. Steve Young told Lindsay Shively he had heard about the ABC News report that Lisa Irwin's mother was prepared to be charged in her daughter’s disappearance.

“I haven’t heard any of the discussion (amongst investigators in the case) in that regard,” Young said. “I think it’s a bit of a stretch.”

Lisa's aunt, Ashley Irwin, in an interview that aired on Good Morning America Tuesday morning, told ABC News that Lisa’s mother, Deborah Bradley, was prepared for charges to be filed against her and felt that an arrest was inevitable.
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Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-say-reports-of-inevitable-arrest-in-lisa-irwin-case-are-a-stretch#ixzz1aWkK02uu

::rhino::

Gypsy I read your posts...I appreciate your posts.  I just didn't know how to respond because I don't really have my mind made up.  At this moment I feel that someone inside the home knows something...maybe not guilty but is somehow connected to this either knowingly or unknowingly.  I am still at a point that I have great faith in LE and feel that they have their reasons for honing in on something for a reason.  All my opinion.  I enjoy reading everyone's view though...I am very open minded.

self edit...poor grammar...lol.

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Thanks for your reply!  And I'm sorry about not seeing or responding to your comment earlier.  Perhaps I did see it, but I'm not sure.  Sometimes I read posts and don't respond because they don't involve the particular information I'm looking for at the time.  I guess that means I should go back an re-read everything before I post!  (Which I sometimes do.) :D

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-family-hires-private-investigator-releases-statement-20111011,0,896224.story
Lisa Irwin Family Hires Private Investigator, Releases Statement

This is the new PI, he won't say who hired him.  IMO, he hired himself.  There is lots of info about him if you do a search.  This was the shortest and has a picture http://www.blogger.com/profile/16694009844381929642 (http://www.blogger.com/profile/16694009844381929642)

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Irwin-family-seeks-assistance-from-private-investigator (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Irwin-family-seeks-assistance-from-private-investigator)

Irwin family seeks assistance from private investigator

Posted: 9:59 PM
Last Updated: 2 minutes ago

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - In an Tuesday evening news conference, Bill Stanton, a private investigator, said he has been asked by the family to help find Lisa.

Surrounded by a sea of family and supporters wearing T-shirts bearing the image of the missing girl, Stanton, who worked on the Natalee Holloway case, asked for cooperation from the media in respecting the family's boundaries.

"We are here to cooperate with anyone and everyone that will help us find the guilty party to return Lisa home safely," Stanton said.

Stanton said he does not expect the FBI or law enforcement officials to share any information with him, however he said he will turn over anything he finds to them.

He asked that the citizens of Kansas City keep one eye open for Lisa.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Irwin-family-seeks-assistance-from-private-investigator#ixzz1aXGxFXVk
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I don't remember him from the NH case ::MonkeyCool::

OH, I see now....Bill Stanton was a "talking head" on some of the shows.  As far as I can tell he didn't work on the NH case any more than I worked on the NH case.

Exactly, and I watched his "press conference" where he was surrounded by the family minus Lisa's parents and he wouldn't say who hired him.  The assumption would be the family, but I feel he inserted himself for the publicity.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17422420/ns/dateline_nbc-wild_bill_watching_your_back/t/who-wild-bill/#.TpUNpd4r2sp

~~We’re more vulnerable, he says, because some simple rules aren’t followed. You may have seen him on the Today show as a paid NBC security consultant, showing how easy it is to snatch a child... or getting conned by crooked fortune tellers.~

My guess is that NBC is paying him. The family gets "help" , the tv network gets a chance at the golden mania and ratings from the flamboyant PI giving the blow by blow in searching for Lisa.  Deja vu'.....Caylee was a goldmine.
Maybe he'll find her, I hope so but I'm sick of television networks making news instead of reporting on it.

Bingo!

"Wild" Bill Stanton = east coast version of Leonard Padilla

I found the story I saw, forgot I watched this station (I normally don't) http://www.kmbc.com/news/29450328/detail.html (http://www.kmbc.com/news/29450328/detail.html)
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KMBC's Marcus Moore reported that the Irwins said they did not hire Stanton, but declined to say who asked him for assistance with the case.
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My turn  ::MonkeyDance:: ......... Exactly!

I swear I don't think I can stomach another saga of anonymous benefactors, daily talking heads regurgitating Wild Bill's ' city boy in the heartland ' exploits and probable jabs at the local LE.
I can't do it again.....waaaaaa

Good morning Monkeys--Gypsy, I agree with you.  Another example of a GJ not returning a true bill was the Ramsey case in Boulder CO.  Case is still open.  I agree that LE is grasping at straws, too.

I also think that the mother is heartbroken.  I don't see how anyone can say that they "Know" she's lying.  We don't have any way to "Know" anything about this lovely little missing baby as of now. I think, but have no evidence of it so it is just an opinion and not anything I know, that little Lisa was taken to sell or give to someone desperate for a baby. Maybe the person who wanted a baby took her. In fact, I doubt she will ever be found and I believe it is likely that there will never be an arrest and conviction of the perpetrator. From my viewpoint, I think the mother is sincere and her tears are real.

I know that the mother actually has a husband other than the father of Lisa and while this is certainly irregular, it is not an indication of guilt.  Unfortunately, our culture has changed to the point that this kind of thing isn't unusual.  We have no knowledge of the circumstances of these particular people.

Oh how I hear ya.

 ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino::

::rhino::

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141258996
Many Searches, Few Clues In KC Baby Disappearance
by The Associated Press
KANSAS CITY, Mo. October 12, 2011, 03:33 am ET
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Police spokesman Capt. Steve Young has said police are pursuing all leads and taking a no-holds barred approach to the investigation.

"I challenge you to name something, and I can assure you we have done it twice," Young said early in the investigation. But he has also said all along that he and other police can't comment on the investigation.

Lisa's parents appeared on television several times that first week but have since retreated from the media, saying they want to focus all their attention on finding Lisa. They declined to comment Tuesday.

A relative said family members had watched part of the well search on television.

John Hamilton, a former Kansas City police officer who now teaches criminal justice at Park University in nearby Parkville, Mo., said officers are as determined as anyone to find the child.

"If there is any pressure, it's to find the 10-month-old safe and bring her home," Hamilton said. "Another thing people don't realize, and this happens in a majority of big cases, is the prosecutor's office and police are working hand-in-hand on this."

The Clay County Prosecutor's office did not return a call seeking comment Tuesday afternoon.

As for Wednesday, the beginning of the search's second week, Young, the police spokesman, said police will carry on.

"It's fair to assume a small amount of frustration on behalf of everybody," he said. "But it doesn't change the direction at all. ... Tomorrow morning, I'm sure they'll get everybody back in the (command post) and hand out leads and keep people coming and going."

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29450328/detail.html
Lisa Irwin's Family Gets Help From Private Eye
Police: Non-Specific Tip Led Them To Search Abandoned Well
POSTED: 10:28 am CDT October 11, 2011
UPDATED: 6:33 am CDT October 12, 2011
Video at link.
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The family of Lisa Irwin said a New York-area private investigator will help in the case.

Bill Stanton stepped in front of cameras Tuesday evening and said he will work with authorities and the media to help find the missing 11-month-old.

"I want everyone to know I'm not here to defend or represent anyone," Stanton said. "I have been asked to come out here to find Lisa and to find the perpetrator or perpetrators."

KMBC's Marcus Moore reported that the Irwin family said they did not hire Stanton, but declined to say who asked him for assistance with the case.

While Stanton was surrounded by family members, the parents of Lisa Irwin were not there.

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29450328/detail.html#ixzz1aZDBgyG5

LindsayShively Lindsay Shively
Talked to @kcpolice who say PI's have NO more authority at crime scenes, etc than any other citizen. PI Bill Stanton also not licensed in MO
21 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/LindsayShively (http://twitter.com/#!/LindsayShively)

DeAnnSmithkc DeAnn Smith Edit to hyperlink the two links back to articles.  MB
RT @NimaKCTV5: Reading a lot about #wildbill #BillStanton Man has been handed to families paid for by the networks on more than 1 occasion.
7 hours ago

DeAnn Smith
DeAnnSmithkc DeAnn Smith
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@lazlothebuzz Again, working with and working for are important distinctions :)
8 hours ago

DeAnn Smith
DeAnnSmithkc DeAnn Smith
Latest developments in #lisairwin case including #wildbill #bill stanton  bit.ly/rnvXuZ (http://bit.ly/rnvXuZ)
8 hours ago

DeAnn Smith
DeAnnSmithkc DeAnn Smith
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@Heycameraman really? I'm missing that CBS reference. Can you share? :DD
8 hours ago

DeAnn Smith
DeAnnSmithkc DeAnn Smith
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@sony0613 The FBI is involved in the case. Story and video up now :)
8 hours ago

DeAnn Smith
DeAnnSmithkc DeAnn Smith
RT @KCTV5: Prominent PI joins search for missing #lisairwin A PI who has done work for national networks...  bit.ly/oAJMuE (http://bit.ly/oAJMuE)
8 hours ago

DeAnn Smith
DeAnnSmithkc DeAnn Smith
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@BHIndepMO How do you know he's not getting paid? He has apparently been on the networks payroll before in cases.
8 hours ago

DeAnn Smith
DeAnnSmithkc DeAnn Smith
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@dannyboi965 Again, working with the family, not for family. Important distinction
8 hours ago

DeAnn Smith
DeAnnSmithkc DeAnn Smith
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@amnewsboy @heycameraman more telling? He was listed as a security coordinator for Good Morning America #lisairwin
8 hours ago
DeAnn Smith

http://twitter.com/#!/DeAnnSmithkc (http://twitter.com/#!/DeAnnSmithkc)

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/private-investigator%3A-new-details-coming-in-lisa-irwin-case (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/private-investigator%3A-new-details-coming-in-lisa-irwin-case)

Private investigator: New details coming in Lisa Irwin case

Posted: 6:10 AM
Last Updated: 5 minutes ago

    By: Aaron Heintzelman

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - The family of a missing Kansas City girl has asked a private investigator to assist in the search , and he says he and the family will soon release new information in Lisa Irwin’s disappearance.

“We will be coming forth with information soon,” Bill Stanton said Tuesday night surrounded by Lisa’s family members. “We have some things we want to release, not at this time.”

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/private-investigator%3A-new-details-coming-in-lisa-irwin-case#ixzz1aZQ5ofH2
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So,  ::CowboySmiley::  aka Wild Bill was sent by media to 'protect' their investment?  This isn't a freakin' reality show.   ::MonkeyMad::

I hope they check with LE before releasing this new info.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44872173#44872173
Surveillance video of missing baby’s mom revealed10/12/2011

I can' take another Padilla.  ::MonkeyEek::

Wait a minute...Debi kept the ciggy butts from last month's car break in????  Why?

From KMBC's Jana Corrie, who just spoke to Bill Stanton over the phone: He says he's meeting with the family later this morning and going to try to talk with police and will let us know his plan after that. He says he will hold a news conference tomorrow - time and place TBD.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:24 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aZczW8rc

I know it sounds crazy, but someone keyed and tired to break in my daughter car, and broke the lock off of the gate one night, i called the police to make a report, and we found a cig butt and a skull lighter outside where the car/gate was.............the cops would not even take it, or look at it, and i know it wasnt there the day before because i mowed the grass that day..........so i kept it and i still have it, it has been three months now..............and from what i read, i'll try to find it, someone pulled a police log and there was a report of a someone breaking into a car on the 3600 block of lister.....

The obits were erased this morning from FindAGrave.com.  The two obits, were maintained by "Tony N."  perhaps the brother.
I will find the obits (public info) if they exist on the web.  OH!  if anyone has a membership at Ancestry.com her mothers
obit is in the Obituary section, forgot about that.

Lisa Ann Chivalette Netz Sep. 5, 1964. Death: Apr. 10, 2001

I was going help add the names to who is who (Muffy's thread) I am not nosey, just I do not like being B.S., by this family.

It is my opinion that the whole family is it on this secret of where little angel is, from judging the SIL interview, she is too cool, for my taste.


Deborah Netz Phone, Address, Profile | PeopleFinders www.peoplefinders.com/p/Deborah+Netz/Newark/DECached
Edit to fix peoplefinders link.  MB

Relatives: Lisa A Netz, David Lee Netz, Anthony Netz Previous Residences: Newark, DE | Independence, MO | Fort Bragg, NC Also Known As: Deborah Bradley ...
 Fort Bragg, NC, Jump school?

Her legal husband is in the military.  Probably stationed in NC.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20536151,00.html
Baby Lisa Disappearance: Police Question Mother

He may be out of Ft. Bragg, but I heard on NG last night that the estranged is reportedly deployed oversees. 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/11/ng.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/11/ng.01.html)

http://www.pitch.com/plog/archives/2011/10/12/bill-stanton-hotshot-pi-joins-the-search-for-lisa-irwin
Bill Stanton, hotshot P.I., joins the search for Lisa Irwin
::MonkeyDevil::

Right.  I thought you were questioning that she lived in NC at some point.  Sry, if I misunderstood.

I found a David Anthony Chivalette, Newark, Delaware.  1975

I did not copy the obits from findagrave.com (I thought it was against copyright law) I do not all the kin.

Who is DAC?  Thank-you.



http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=oalRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=iG0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4054,2856832&dq=david+chivalette&hl=en



http://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&hl=en&gl=us&as_q=+Lisa+Ann+Chivalette+&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_scoring=r&btnG=Search&as_qdr=a&as_mindate=9%2F11%2F11&as_maxdate=10%2F11%2F11&as_drrb=a&as_nsrc=&as_nloc=&as_author=&as_occt=any&tbs=ar%3A1#hl=en&gl=us&as_qdr=a&tbs=ar:1&tbm=nws&q=david+Chivalette&pbx=1&oq=david+Chivalette&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=24250l25735l0l27766l6l6l0l0l0l1l250l1157l0.3.3l6l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=719e17c37e418d7b&biw=1280&bih=571

I am sorry I am never crisp and clear.  Thank-you monkeys for clearing things for me. I am curious where she met her husband
How did the family move from Delaware, to where they are today?   


I was gleaning and browsing from Google newspaper archives, handy site for obits.
http://news.google.com/news/advanced_news_search?as_drrb=a

That guy on the video looks really young...could he be the teenage neighbor boy who has the garage door code? Why is she with him ? Hmmmmmmmm

Also,the baby must not have been 'missing' at that point to mom's knowledge otherwise she would not be buying baby items.

I thought the same.  Why buy wipes when planning a disappearance?  I'd like to know how much of the wine was still in the box?  Did she and the neighbor that sat on the porch drink the wine together?

I just spent 30 minutes in another message board, reading 26 pages (written in the last 24 hours) about the wine-buying trip that Deborah took on Monday the 3rd.

The users finally concluded this morning that there was no drama and no real evidence, and to not make much of  that wine-buying thing.

I could've told them that, since Mr. Young came out two days ago and said that there was no evidence gathered from the wine-buying trip, or the cellphones.

Just writing this here, so people don't make too much of the wine trip.

Now, what she did AFTER the trip...
Do you have a link to that message board Moosee?   Inquiring minds wanna know.    ::MonkeyWink::  MB

Or her and the teenage boy in the video? If indeed he is a teenager...
Sorry,,,,my mind is doing somersaults right about now...

Crap..I messed that up. Still have not mastered this IPad.


With respect to other message boards, they are merely surmising as to what happened just like we are. doesn't mean that their opinions are any more accurate than ours are.  The wine buying in it's self is not hanky, but who is the guy and why didn't she tell LE about it?

Self edit...darn Ipad

.....sure..blame it on the IPad! ::dogwag::

Lol Mizjay!  How are ya? Xxx

Hey!  Fine thanks & you?...I thought Caylee would be the last case I could stand to follow along with but here I am and Susan P's and....and..
Poor little Lisa, it ain't right and now it looks like it could turn into another freak show. eeek

People over there theorized that the guy on the wine trip is the same guy who appears wearing a green hooded shirt in one of the news reels that shows the parents getting in a car. Whether he is or not, I'm sure the police has his number by now.

It's assumable that once caught in the spot Deborah told police the details of the event, which made the police say that there was no useful evidence stemming from that trip.

My opinion only.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20536151,00.html
Baby Lisa Disappearance: Police Question Mother
By Sara Hammel
Wednesday October 12, 2011 07:50 AM EDT
(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2011/news/111024/lisa-irwin-440.jpg)
Baby Lisa

The Kansas City Star/AP

Ten-month-old Lisa has chubby cheeks, a sparkling smile and a heartbreaking pet name within her family: "Pumpkin Pie."

According to her parents, the night of Oct. 3 started out like any other at their Kansas City, Mo., home. While Lisa's dad Jeremy Irwin was working the graveyard shift as an electrician, Lisa's mom Deborah Bradley put the baby to bed in her crib.

But when Irwin returned home early the next morning, he found the front door unlocked, a window open, three cell phones missing – and Lisa's crib empty.

Her parents say they are devastated and desperate to find Lisa – and have hired a private investigator to aid the search. In one of several public pleas, Bradley held up a Barney stuffed animal and sobbed: "We just want our baby back. Please, bring her home."
 ::snipping2::

http://twitter.com/#!/BonyenKCTV5 (http://twitter.com/#!/BonyenKCTV5)
BonyenKCTV5 Bonyen Lee
Local private investigators say they've filed a complaint against Bill Stanton who is not a licensed PI in MO. More at noon.
53 minutes ago

Oh geeeezzzz.  This is getting ridiculous...really. 
 > Insert Episode 1 of Reality TV show here <. 
To media spin-meisters, PI's, etc: Oh ya!!! There is this little GIRL who is MISSING!!! Remember her!?!?

Exactly wildmala

Yup, some people are out to find Lisa... some are out for whatever fame and fortune they can get.

I mean, how good is this guy?

What can HE do that the police hasn't done already?

Will this PI come out and say "the mom did it", if he figures out she's done it?

Who is paying him? Not that it matters, but would be nice to know.

I just do not know what to think about this case.  I want to give the mom the benefit of the doubt, but there are a few points I can't let go.

The doors/ windows open & unlocked - especially on the 1st night dad was working all night.  I don't know the neighborhood, perhaps it is common to leave doors unlocked?

The window to the computer room, IF the intruder came thru that window, why leave the screen?  One would assume time would be of the essence if stealing a baby.  Is it safe to assume the perp would go out the same window they came in - not knowing any other exits???  Would the perp risk climbing in a window facing the street?

The phones are a BIG sticking point for me.... Why would an intruder take the phones?  To keep someone from calling 911?  Really doesn't make sense - If there were 3 phones, there could have been another phone somewhere.... Did the perp check to see that there were no landlines?  The phones could be a way of tracking - who would want to take that risk?

Baby Lisa not waking, that we are aware of... I know there are always differences in  children, but in most of my experiences with small children that age, especially when woken up and especially when they are sick, they are cranky when disturbed, even the most even tempered, friendly child.  A child can sense a stranger - their face, their smell, their way of holding them.   If someone did snatch Lisa, I would imagine getting out of that house as fast as possible would be their goal.  Can't see them stopping to pic up the phones and going all around the house to find their exit point.  They had to have planned which way to leave?

I sure would like some background info on Deborah.  Did she ever work outside the home?  What is she like?  Who are some of her friends?  Was she involved in the other children's school?  Could she have been doing a little somethin' somethin' on the side with "handyman"?

I really just want Lisa to be brought back home.  What a beautiful little girl. 
 ::MonkeyAngel:: Praying for Lisa  ::MonkeyAngel::

Did I miss someone posting the link for the video of the mother and "mystery man" buying the wine?  I haven't seen it and couldn't find it? 

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Surveillance-video-shows-Lisa-Irwins-mother-out-shopping-the-night-of-disappearance#ixzz1aaHgECA3
Surveillance video shows Lisa Irwin's mother out shopping the night of disappearance
Posted: 10:06 AM
Last Updated: 1 hour and 3 minutes ago



Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Surveillance-video-shows-Lisa-Irwins-mother-out-shopping-the-night-of-disappearance#ixzz1aaSrARMi

Hey, Muffy. Not sure if I can name it, cause I know some boards have a POS about linking to competitive boards. It's the one that starts with "web" and ends with "sleuths." They have split the thread to different topics. I can post it if you say so.

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There had seem to be a confusion between the teenager in the neighborhood who had been in the Irwin's home and knew the combination to the garage, and the homeless dude people had talked about. Some people thought it was the same guy, and it was the guy on the wine trip.

The teenager was DNAed last Friday, so the police talked to him on that Friday.

The homeless guy story came out Monday, and AFAIK he has not been talked to by police, since nobody can find him.

Source: The Kansas City Star

And, repeating this in case someone missed it:

"That comes one day after police took their investigation of the child's disappearance to a nearby grocery store, Festival Foods near I-35 and Chouteau, where Deborah Bradley and a man were seen buying a box of wine, paper plates and napkins about five hours before Bradley told police she put Lisa in her crib for the night.

Capt. Young said they have identified the man seen with Deborah in the grocery store, but that he is not key to their investigation and they are done pursuing that lead."

Also:
"Among the many leads police are chasing down are the name and whereabouts of a man seen in the area of the home before the child's disappearance. Neighbors told FOX 4 on Monday that police showed them a picture of the man, who some people are referring to as a "handyman.""

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-review-grocery-surveillance-deborah-bradley-20111010,0,3702048.story

So, these were three different guys.

Another search location in Northland.

(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/12/88853297-e750-4220-b884-918548d0ba58_400.jpg)

I for one, who in there right mind would leave a door unlocked at night is beyond me.
I don't care what kind of town/neighborhood anyone lives in.  This invites danger, especially with her husband working nights and small children involved.
Daaaaa..............
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

Look at the diagram of the house and help me out, here. Dad comes in front door which alarms him because it a many lights are on.  From there he goes to boys' bredroom, to check on them, which means he walked right passed Lisa's room.  Where were the 6 yo, Mom, and cat sleeping?  In master bedroom or in boys' room with other brother.  If they were in master bedroom, did he them walk down the hall by Lisa's door again and check on Mom and brother? 

Why would he not go to first door he saw which would have been Lisa's?  Does anyone know where Mom and 6 yo slept that night?  Did he check in the master bedroom before he checked on Lisa? 

Just doesn't make sense on many levels. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Great observation.  Great question.

there are 2,in the 1st link @ 0:38,you can see that DB only has a clutch wallet in hand,
and the Mguy has the car keys,i think he was her ride,so prob a neighbor kid,but maybe
the car they used should be checked anyway to eliminate it as part of a crime,i know it
was hrs b4,but....

link #1
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44872173#44872173
#2
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Surveillance-video-shows-Lisa-Irwins-mother-out-shopping-the-night-of-disappearance#ixzz1aaHgECA3

"Police are searching an area near North 34th Street and North Brighton Avenue.

Police said this recent search did not come from a tip, but it is just an area they have not covered yet."

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15677057/day-9-police-perform-new-search-for-baby-lisa

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This new detective looks like George Lopez. MOO

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Overhead view of the new search area:

(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/12/50e5efc0-a258-4019-8890-63d31daa4634_400.png)

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The Irwins are there:

(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/12/d418f1f7-036e-4d65-9872-04bcfd331c1f_400.jpg)

All these pics courtesy of:
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

I entertain everyone's theories and opinions here.  I like to say that I am very open minded.  I know the angle of dad being involved hasn't been discussed too much.  Though it has been mentioned.  I wonder if he planned/volunteered to work that night for some reason?  I am sure that his alibi has been checked out and cleared but you never know what is behind that.  Could he have been responsible?  I don't feel that way, but would like to look at it from that angle for a minute.  He had access.  He could have popped the screen out before waking Deb.  He could have walked somewhere with Lisa before announcing he was home without waking anyone.  He says lights were on when he arrived and door was unlocked...how long would it have taken to do something with her?  I am sure that he was at work but anyone pinpoint the EXACT time that it would take him to get home?  In that window of twenty minutes could he have done something?  Why?  Just a thought.  Not accusing this man...just looking in that direction.  That is all.

I'll definitely entertain that possible scenario Labubske. He seems a simmering personality to me. sheesh...where's the baby?

Itaryl Moosee - that map picture of the new search area is creepy in so many ways....OT I know but it just hit me that way...I see a face in it.

Maybe the family hired this guy more for his body guard abilities than his PI abilities?

I've made three mistakes above by not proofreading before pressing the "Post" button.

I missed a "that" when describing the three guys.

I meant "TOS" instead of "POS" in MuffyBee's response. Big difference. Sorry Muffy.

I said the Irwin's are there, but I'm not sure where they are. They met the new PI.

I'll go to the corner now.

 ::monkeywine2::

He knows how to handle the media, for once.

Maybe sending a message that the police is not doing a good job and they need a PI to come get it done?

I Agree! when My baby was a baby We had a Nice Gaurded community. Alarms on the house. I STILL would not let my daughter sleep in her room. Just me ..but i think 1 story.. Alarm goes off.. they can still break in that window take her an run! Most moms do watch their babies like a hawk hear everything.

 I FEEL IMO the mom knows what happened because the Dog was there she had a baby monitor.Unless drunk passed out ?
Who was watching Lisa when she went to store is what Id like to know.

  the boy in video at store is very unconformtable imo. she seems to Grab that wine quick! he had hands in pocket following her like a puppy. very odd.

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29463236/detail.html

New Search Under Way In Baby Lisa Case

Consultant Seen With Police At Baby's Grandparents' Home

POSTED: 11:40 am CDT October 12, 2011
UPDATED: 12:32 pm CDT October 12, 2011

snipped;

Police said they were prompted to make that search after neighbors reported seeing a man they believed to be homeless walking through the area about a week earlier. The house was later demolished.

snipped;

Also Tuesday, New York-area private investigator Bill Stanton arrived in the area and told reporters that he would work with authorities and the media to help find the child.

Stanton said he would hold a news conference on Thursday to offer new information in the case, including more information about who hired him.

Aurelia7..no, no, no...you are fine I only meant that no one  here or in the news is reallly talking about how early it is in the investigation to go to the GJ.  I just didn't expect that so soon in this case. 

that area is by the fed treasury someone mentioned in last thread,
you would think there would be some kind of  security cams,sensors
in that area

http://g.co/maps/2j7ww
close up,i see water
http://g.co/maps/sggs2
a street view
http://g.co/maps/mq6pm

g view of the fed
http://g.co/maps/4qfaz
looks like a fence
http://g.co/maps/jhv6x

wow thanks for the pics so wonder if they will drain that water

NewsChopper 9 over the search scene
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... edited by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 1:26 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aar57C4k

Me either Trimm.  It seems like there are so many people , of a certain type (media whores), who are like traveling circus performers who go from one tradegy to the next exploiting not only the tradegy itself, the family of the victim ..but the public's sensibility...enough already..

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Surveillance-video-shows-Lisa-Irwins-mother-out-shopping-the-night-of-disappearance#ixzz1aaHgECA3

Surveillance video shows Lisa Irwin's mother out shopping the night of disappearance


Police investigated and discovered the man was a neighbor who gave Bradley a ride to the grocery store

(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/12/a520aa8c-64a8-4372-83c5-c2b3206f33e3_400.jpg)
Aerial picture of the search area
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 1:30 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aasSeZWp

From KMBC's Maria Antonia re: the hiring of the private investigator: He said he has been retained by a person who wishes to remain anonymous, a person who cares about the child but has not been retained by anyone in Missouri.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 1:37 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aatoVcNs

The maternal grandmother's brother maybe?

We're pulling the NewsChopper 9 live feed down. Little could be seen from the air due to the trees in the area.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 1:42 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aavdsA9q

So, has the story of a man carrying a baby been ruled out?  Stranger things have happened in regards to coming into a home and taking a child.  Example:  Keinen Hebert.  She very well could have fallen asleep before locking the doors and turning out the lights.  What do we know about the neighbors (and anyone over there)?  Who was she drinking with?  Those around her knew how much she had and could have taken advantage of the situation like others have said.

"NBC Action News' Jake Peterson saw four or five officers knock on the front door of a building in the 4800-block of NE 34th Terrace.

The couple in the home said that police asked a lot of questions about a man who frequents a bar called One Eyed Jacks and goes by the nickname of "Jersey".

They also added that police were referencing a photograph of the man calling him a handyman.

The owner of the bar spoke off-camera and confirmed he knows the man who was a patron at his establishment.  The owner last saw him on Oct. 1 when he kicked the man out of the bar for being drunk.

He added that the man in question used to live near the house that was searched on Tuesday prior to being demolished."

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/investigators-in-lisa-irwin-case-re-search-wooded-area-near-her-home

And with two little boys in the house who just might get up and decide to go outside alone. 

The missing phones are totally hinky and someone is hiding with whom they were in contact with that night.

Looks bad. . . .

Sounds like this is the handyman ..homeless guy..who may or may not be homeless.

So much reminds me of the Haleigh Cummings case.  I wonder if the fact that was never solved has given someone else courage to do something they migjht  otherwise not do.

Nickname "Jersey."

So now that someone has let that cat out of the bag Jersey better be careful..there are lots of people who consider themselves above the law and that they are just helping the LE out when they decide to take the law into their own hands.

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

Another possibility is that someone was at the grocery store, saw her purchase baby items, followed her home and waited for an opportunity.

At this point, anything is possible. 

The phones missing bothers me!  Why would someone take them? Unless something is on the phone/phones that someone does not want discovered. 

The owner of the TV network who cares about the ratings...oh, so sorry, I meant child? ::MonkeyCool::

Take with a grain of salt:

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15677057/day-9-police-perform-new-search-for-baby-lisa (http://www.kctv5.com/story/15677057/day-9-police-perform-new-search-for-baby-lisa)

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Read it here Katrina not sure what is going on I am in another state following so all I can do is depend on you guys to get to the bottom of what I find.
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@ paigeoooo -and who said we are finding the mother GUILTY because she is a FAT ****?? I don't think we said that!!! Pkitty....help...LOL!!! I need a chix nuggett and PABST....hurry!
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Darla.... found who in woods??,...LISA??? / I dont see any breaking news????
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@ paige000000 The only one looking stupid here are the PARENTS of the missing girl...HELLOOOOOO.... doesn't everyone on here agree with me but paigeooooo
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If you go to abc kansas city it looks like they may have found her in a wood area in the water. Not totally sure but they are saying breaking news.

and the dad Jeremy accused her of cheating...
When interviewed about who "might" have done such a thing, Jeremy said, "a woman who cheated on her husband", stopping himself at the word "husband."  This reflects the notion of sexuality

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/10/q-lisa-irwin-missing-11-month-old.html


I think the dad had the PI hired. his sis on GMA then rumor GMA paid for him... then Jeremy meets him at scene

Yes, Kimmy.  I hadn't thought about that possibility.  Maybe the handyman was in the store that night?  That is possible too.  We have a man that hangs around the gas station hoping for some handouts.  I see him there quite a bit...maybe this handyman hung around the store that she was at that night and remembered her from the neighborhood that he had previously been in asking for work? 

I am in the same boat as you.  I am not completely convinced the mom DID anything...creeate a situation where something did happen...maybe.  What bugs ME about the phones is how did this person know taking these phones would remove the ability to call anyone?  ONLY someone who KNEW they didn't have a land line would know that...so either someone in the home or who knew them well.  An intruder wouldn't have looked around the house to make sure they didn't have a phone line...and then guess by just takin the cell phones on the counter would do the trick.  AND if the intruders motivation in taking the phones was just to steal phones...they would have stolen more material items...and NOT a baby.

A HANDYMAN would likely know that they did not have a land line if he had done work in their home.

Can't find nothing. Maybe the poster misunderstood?

What I notice is that while ABC, NBC, CBS are focusing on the search, FOX is focusing the PI and how a "wealthy Benefactor" brought Wild Bill to KCC.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hmmm.  I hope not!! :(  But this makes me think of the screams being reported in the woods that LE refused to investigate.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Link this for the latest news..

Live Blog: Search Continues For Missing 11-Month Old LIVE 861 watchers
Continuous updates on the search for Lisa Irwin


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1abBpaoRL

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old (http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old)

Good afternoon Monkey's,

I am now nosey :) 

Is JI still married?  Did he divorce the (deported) woman?  Did he have the marriage annulled?  TIA

Images: Baby Lisa Search Oct. 12
slide show
http://www.kmbc.com/slideshow/news/29463453/detail.html

so we know LE still looking for the Hanyman AKA Homeless Man
the bar is 6 min from Jeremy Irwins Home and near the search site today

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/investigators-in-lisa-irwin-case-re-search-wooded-area-near-her-home#ixzz1abEIil6D

divorced because they have a child I think he is 8? 7CV105004561-01 - JEREMY IRWIN V RASLEEN RAIM

Thank-you StarMonkey!

JP has the court paper, scroll six posts down: http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=994808

thanks Im curious too if this guy Jeremy is the dad since she named Lisa after her mom and Current husbands mom middle name!
this house was Jeremys as of 05.she moved in with him why?and when?why is she still married to Sean Bradley?

KCTVPhotog_Rob Rob Rhodes
by NimaKCTV5
2 ATVs are trailered while 2 canines start another round of searching 3600 N. Brighton woods. (http://yfrog.com/nzxrwmj)#LisaIrwin
1 hour ago  http://twitter.com/#!/hartfordcourant/lists/cheshire-trial (http://twitter.com/#!/hartfordcourant/lists/cheshire-trial)
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg863/scaled.php?tn=0&server=863&filename=xrwm.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29465841/detail.html
Missing Baby's Mom Shopped Hours Earlier
Deborah Bradley Seen On Store Surveillance Images
POSTED: 3:24 pm CDT October 12, 2011
UPDATED: 3:50 pm CDT October 12, 2011
 ::snipping2::
NBC's Today reported that Bradley was seen buying wine and baby wipes.

Clerk Rebecca Guerrero told CNN that investigators seemed to be interested in one thing in particular.

"They pretty much asked me, you know, if she was depressed. You know, if she seemed depressed and how she acted around the baby, you know. If she seemed stressed out," Guerrero said.

Guerrero said Bradley was a frequent customer and someone she has seen often.

"I pretty much told them she never looked depressed around me," Guerrero said. "She always seemed to have a smile on her face when her kids were around."

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29465841/detail.html#ixzz1abUZuoFw

KCTVPhotog_Rob Rob Rhodes
by NimaKCTV5
KCMO PD ends search in woods near 3600 N. Brighton. Nothing found. #LisaIrwin
3 minutes ago https://twitter.com/#!/NimaKCTV5 (https://twitter.com/#!/NimaKCTV5)

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/

A court docket of an extent member of the family, (scroll twenty percent down :) nothing jaw dropping.

Anna ~ I thought about that, too.
Copy-cats who feel confident because of others ability to succeed in *disappearing* a child.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I was looking into it today,
I do not want to post MIL name, she has also a middle initial "L" 
I think "Renee" may be the MIL surname. 

Why would you name your BF's baby after your husband's mother, unless she thought of the MIL as a mom?  That still does not sound right :)

Why would a police officer would say Jeremy's ex was deported and then a media reporter says she lives in Marshall, MO. Why no visitation with her child? Why no visitation with her family? The address she used on the family court cases was a 8 bed home for handicap persons.
I am surprised usually if a child is abducted the 1st thing you hear about is family. Why all the secrecy?
I'm beginning to think this family isn't all that far removed from the Cumming's.
DUI's, possesion and battery are pretty bad in my book.

I watch Jane sit in for Nancy Grace last night and she showed a photo of Sean M. Bradley. He looks part Asian. Much better looking then Jeremy. Maybe she doesn't want to divorce him.

http://www.intelius.com/results.php?ReportType=1&formname=name&qf=sean&qmi=M&qn=Bradley&qcs=Independence%2C+MO&focusfirst=1

This is where there is an "L".

I saw his Myspace he is Asian in the military has pics of his son on there too. I wonder if he will get custody now? I also wonder why the secrecy and why LE asking around about the handyman and asking if the mom was depressed around the baby!

that could be a mistake too the L

http://news.yahoo.com/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-inconsistencies-piling-174800193.html
Missing Baby Lisa Irwin -- Inconsistencies Piling Up
October 12, 2011

Benefits?   A friend of mine was married to a military man and wanted to divorce, but could not divorce him (at that time) because she needed the Health care benefits.

@ StarMonkey

Didn't one of the relatives says something about her being stressed prior to the abduction? An Uncle or her Dad or someone?

PS Great job on collecting info Thank you!

He may be adopted?  Where (please) is his website?  I realize you are thoughtful and careful about posting, could you give me
a hint?  I looked and there are so many Sean Bradleys, just a little hint....TIA

I agree Starmonkey is pretty hot on the computer, great job! 

When your life is scrambled eggs, you can not function properly, and I think her life was scrambled.  IMO

No one could live peacefully when you know your husband is overseas in the military and yet you have a BF :)

That is just too much on your mind, I do not care who you are...I would drink a box of wine, too!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Seahorse good point about benefits I never thought of that but have known of people doing that. If I was Sean I'd want custody. I wonder why his family doesn't see him (said in a news report).

http://www.myspace.com/sapperdaddy05/

 ::HelloKitty::

Here's another article about "Jersey."

"Meanwhile, detectives were near the Irwin home asking people about a guy called "Jersey." Neighbors said Jersey is an out-of-work handyman who rides his bike around the area.

"The cops came asked us if we had seen a person, the handyman or "Jersey." I've never seen him before don't know who he is," said neighbor Carissa Carda.

Officers searched Carda's home. They didn't find Jersey

The police also asked neighbors about Jersey. Barbara Hoy said she'd seen him before.

"He went down the street one day with a gallon of whiskey," said Hoy.

All the neighbors said they don't know Jersey's real name. They said he hasn't been seen since Lisa Irwin disappeared."

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-continue-asking-about-neighborhood-handyman

We have no problem with  people linking back to Websleuths (I know Tricia thinks otherwise and doesn't like links).  We always want the links back to the origin of the post if it's a news website, or twitter, or crime forum, or facebook, etc....including Websleuths.  Some areas of WS are member only but we still want the link for those members here that are members there. 

So even though Tricia banned me for life from posting at WS, I still know there are a lot of good members/posters there and enjoy reading their thoughts.   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good to know, Muffy. Will do in future posts. Thanks.

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In this picture the guy is carrying stuff, too. In others they have only shown her carrying the wine.

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Ooops! This is from the footage at the store.

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa11.jpg)

You know it is just really sad that it took something this horrible to get my mind off of Casey.  Hopefully we'll have a much better outcome and find this little angel!

 ::HelloKitty::  Thanks, Cherry!  SB - MS, nice page, he is a hunk of a man,    ::MonkeyDevil::
       IMO.
 The miltary has attorneys, SB could easily goes through the military, if he wanted a divorce and custody, maybe not right now.  I think it is smart that he isn't divorced, this way he can keep track of her and his son. 

The grandparents may just want to take one of children and not both, because only one is theirs, could that be it?

JI and her may not like the idea, that only one boy has grandparents...speculation ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks, again, for the link... I was "assuming" he was Irish  ::MonkeyHaHa::

W.S. are stingy :)  All the other sites give and take. WS operates like the KGB. IMO

how do u post a pic? thanks

you have to have photobucket to uplaod and then click the img link and copy past it in reply here
if you have photoshop you can copy pics off the videos.

awww thanks  ::CowboySmiley::  I do not remember anyone saying that. I do have one of those memories but I also havnt seen all the footage. If I do see it I will post it to you.

Maybe the mother was very irrisponsible and sean wanted to make sure her son had money and insurance through military .. dunno but even if they divorced he can provide this. she also can get emergency child support through a certain dept in the military.

 ::rhino::

She may be a good person (questionable) and flakey...I forgot about the emergency military fund, good thinking.

DON'T MISS THE DANA PRETZER SHOW TONIGHT AT 9PM ET

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6056/6239334942_ec7231626d_o.jpg)

did I see the boy in the video Hand over something -money ? to Deborah at the register? then hes carrying the wine? so I see on NG this young man went to the store with all of them before and has went several times.

ON JVM a reporter did an interview with store clerk.

Clerk was talking abt "guy" with DB, reporter referred to him as Phillip, clerk said yes.

So from that I take the guy with DB at the store was Phillip (no last name given).

Clerk said DB, Phillip and Jeremy were in the store often, sometimes with children sometimes without.

Might be a mystery at all if it's DB's brother Phillip.

OS

edited to fix mistake, should have put not in last line.

OS

Sorry OS.. Put post inside yours...

Hi Monkeys, is this guy a minor? why they do not show his face? is she buying alcohol to a minor? the cousin or family member of the mother is pretty sure that they know the boy and he is friend of both. I think he is a minor and she bought alcohol for the minor ....also the father has a creepy look!!! if the  dad saw the lights on why we ca not think that he took the baby with him when the mother was sleeping...honestly I saw her crying and you can see a mothe missing her baby... I see the father some kind of guiltiness on his face...i have bad feeling with him

That's ok, I do that also.

Thanks for the pic. I think it's him also.

OS

I did a side by side comparsion of the boy that was standing on the left(our left)(behind the PI) in the presser last night with the new private invest (PI), I am almost postive thats the boy in the video with her at the store. ...........

Yep thats the boy that was at the presser last night standing behind the PI.

Regarding the father is very weird that his first time working late his baby disappear.... is any windows in Lisa's room?

Also you can see him in a green sweatshirt by the truck (driver side) early on when Jeremy gets in back seat. IMO

OS

I didn't realize it was the first time hubby worked a night shift. ::MonkeyShocked::
Doors unlocked, lights on,baby gone.
Doesn't sound random to me. ::MonkeyNoNo::

me neither, the father could go home take the baby and come back without the baby.

That is the kid that is listed with their address that I mentioned the other night...wonder if he lives there still?

I def. think DB knows what happened to Lisa, wether it be accident or on purpose, I believe she knows.

Yeah, I agree

Members only?  Which areas?  And why?

(Sorry for so many questions.  Super curious monkey here!)

Any reports on what the parents have been doing since the alleged abduction?  Has the father returned to work?  What has the mother been doing during the day?  Have they been physically searching for baby Lisa?

O/T figured I would find most of you in here...OWN has a great segment on Sex Offenders with Lisa Ling.  Very insightful.

Thanks Starmonkey~
I watched that interview twice and I did not hear Jeremy say "a woman who cheated on her husband". ::MonkeyConfused::
 Just wondering if you or any other monkeys heard that also or is that just "seamusoriley?"
I was hoping for a transcript of the Judge Jenine interview but FOX apparently does not provide them.
I will go back and watch it again with the "closed captioning" on this time.....

I'm not sure why  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-continue-asking-about-neighborhood-handyman (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-continue-asking-about-neighborhood-handyman)

Police continue asking about neighborhood handyman

Posted: 10/12/2011
Last Updated: 29 minutes ago

    By: Jake Peterson By: Jake Peterson

About twelve K-9 officers searched a wooded area near the Brighton Town homes off Brighton Avenue. Investigators said they were looking for evidence in the Lisa Irwin case, but they didn't give details.

Meanwhile, detectives were near the Irwin home asking people about a guy called "Jersey." Neighbors said Jersey is an out-of-work handyman who rides his bike around the area.

"The cops came asked us if we had seen a person, the handyman or "Jersey." I've never seen him before don't know who he is," said neighbor Carissa Carda.
 ::snipping2::

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-continue-asking-about-neighborhood-handyman#ixzz1aczzlEdJ

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/neighbors-frustrated-with-the-lack-of-leads- (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/neighbors-frustrated-with-the-lack-of-leads-)

Neighbors frustrated with the lack of leads

Posted: 9:52 PM

    By: Christina Medina By: Christina Medina

KANSAS CITY, Missouri - People who don't even know 11-month-old Lisa Irwin continue to drop off stuffed animals and candles at a make shift memorial set up at Chelsea and North Lister in Kansas City just across the street from where the baby girl was reported missing.

Vickie Nichols a neighbor said, “It gets harder the longer it goes on the less hope we have I think."

She admits neighborhood's constant attention is getting is tough but Nichols said she'll put up with it to find Lisa.

“I think it will bring the baby back that's all we need to think about is what it takes to bring her home" said Nichols.

Meanwhile police continue to search wooded areas around the Northland home. They have even dug through dumpsters in nearby apartments looking for clues.
 ::snipping2::

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/neighbors-frustrated-with-the-lack-of-leads-#ixzz1ad0IphRn

Thanks Starmonkey~
I watched that interview twice and I did not hear Jeremy say "a woman who cheated on her husband". ::MonkeyConfused::
 Just wondering if you or any other monkeys heard that also or is that just "seamusoriley?"
I was hoping for a transcript of the Judge Jenine interview but FOX apparently does not provide them.
I will go back and watch it again with the "closed captioning" on this time.....
[/quote]

I have it on DVR just listened to it again, here is what he said.

Jeremy: After everything had calmed down a little bit, and we were able, we sat down just the two of us and started thinking of just anybody, any kind of clue, people that been in the house recently, people that have been in the house a long time ago, um people that have had miscarriages lately, people that have got divorces or cheating on their husband, er anything that might help us locate her.

Hope this helps

OS

Thanks so much OSPAINTER.....that is an odd response by Jeremy

Your welcome

I agree sure is odd.

OS

http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/12/ijvm.01.html

Issues 10/12/2011 transcript

 ::snipping2::

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GUERRERO: No, because they normally are around each other a lot. If it`s not her and him, it`s her fiancee and him and they`re just like really close friends.

LAVANDERA: With this Philip (ph) guy?

GUERRERO: Yes. Yes.

LAVANDERA: All right. So you had seen them together before?

GUERRERO: Yes, but they were not -- not just those two together, they would be with Jeremy as well.

LAVANDERA: Ok.

GUERRERO: Like they were really close friends.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

 ::snipping2::

OS

A news conference with the private investigator and Irwin family has tentatively been scheduled for Noon Thursday. We plan to carry it live on KMBC.com
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... via mobile 8:51 PM yesterday

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1adibnLqK

OS

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/12/3204103/baby-lisa-doesnt-need-a-sideshow.html
Baby Lisa doesn’t need a sideshow
By MARY SANCHEZ
The Kansas City Star
Posted on Wed, Oct. 12, 2011 10:40 PM
Cue the music and send in the clowns.

Oh, wait. Never mind. Curtain’s already up. The circus has begun.

The disappearance of Baby Lisa Irwin is strange. But with the appearance of “Wild Bill” Stanton, the case officially enters the land of bizarre.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/12/3204103/baby-lisa-doesnt-need-a-sideshow.html#ixzz1aeGRXarX

::rhino::

Hear Police Dispatch Tapes Moments After Baby Lisa Disappears Edit to fix link.  MB

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29471219/detail.html


"He noticed the screen is busted and 10-month-old daughter is missing," the dispatcher continues. "He advised he didn't witness anything. And they don't know how long she's been gone."

More to read and hear at the above link -

http://www.kmbc.com/r/29471219/detail.html  Thank you for posting corrected link JG.  MB

Good morning Monkey's,

You monkey's are so sharp, I did not catch "Phillip"...I did catch that the FBI is involved, let us see if they still cooperate.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to go out to Mike Brooks now and ask Mike, HLN law enforcement analyst, what is the significance of the FBI focusing in on this shopping spree where the mother buys wine out of a box, which I never even knew wine came in a box until yesterday --


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/12/ijvm.01.html

Very odd thing to say since his 'fiance' the mother of his missing baby is one of those women who is essentially cheating on her husband...
How do people get engaged when they are married to someone else?  Call me crazy....

No mention of the unlocked door. I guess that was added later.

Sean has already been ordered to pay Deborah child support
https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchDockets.do (https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchDockets.do)

Looks like he has a lead foot, too, from all the traffic tickets he has racked up.

 ::CowboySmiley::

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-lisa-irwin-day-10-what-you-may-have-missed-20111013,0,5815096.story
Lisa Irwin Day 10 - What You May Have Missed
Sarah Clark Interactive Content Producer - Like her on Facebook
6:38 a.m. CDT, October 13, 2011

Thanks, OS,

Will he announce an reward for information or where abouts for Baby Lisa?  Is he being paid by the Nascar fundraiser?  IMO

Deborah has had some issues herself -- possession of marijuana and revocation of her driver's license. 
https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/charges.do (https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/charges.do)

Camper?

Does anyone remember a camper on JI property?  Is the camper still there?  TIA

Taxes for house on Lister in default
https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/judgements.do (https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/judgements.do)

Yes, there's a photo posted somewhere that shows an older blue camper parked in back by the garage.  (in back of the house)  Maybe I can troll  trawl through and find it.

Edit to fix mah own post error.  MB

I'm looking for a closer picture of the camper that can be seen from the side, but you can see the camper in the picture next to the "A" on the aerial google map. (second photo)

Sorry, I don't know how I messed up the link - unheard of! :(  My apologies.

But now that I'm talking about links I have a question.  I read something on another forum in regards to Lisa Irwin (of course) and it's making me positively itch to share here.  What is the relationship between this lovely forum and Above Top Secret - if any?

Should I post a link from there?  Or no?

Muffy

Thank-you for aerial house photos': http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12179.0

Thank-you, Klaas and Muffy for the threads, it helps to connect the dots.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=139.0

 ::MonkeyEek::

Off Subject :)

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/10/13/lisa-irwin-case-more-searches-no-baby-pseudo-pi/#more-8194

Posted on October 13, 2011 by Valhall

 ::snipping2::
Fox4kc reports that law enforcement interviewed the parents again yesterday at a relatives home.  They then returned to the Irwin residence entering the home empty-handed, but leaving with one envelope and a brown paper bag with something in it.

 ::snipping2::

ME: I hate those brown bags, grrr...

Flutter,

Thank-you, how do I access the docket, please?  I am normally an idjet, :)

Fanta,
If you want to share something from another forum, we ask that you link back to it. 

And for your off-topic question:
When you ask "What is the relationship between this lovely forum and Above Top Secret - if any" are  you asking about Scared Monkeys?  If so, I'm not aware of any relationship between the two, but you could ask Klaas at smklaas@hotmail.com . 

Edit to add link back to Jersey Girls post: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12149.msg1475585#msg1475585
Camper.
(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/ViewfromNewChopper-backofirwinHome-1.jpg)

Thanks Flutter seems like her whole family has records.

Thank you for finding the picture of the camper, Trimmy!  ::bee::

Jeremy has some stuff on his too looks like drugs and lots of tickets too


SeaHorse..
 theres a dropdown box on the right top select litigant name then hit enter .. add name below after page loads

Im not seeing no MJ charges, I just see tickets.............

Thank-you Trimm and Muffy,

so the camper was not removed.

Off Subject, again.... ::MonkeyEek::

2800 Clay Edwards Drive, North Kansas City, MO 64116http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&cp=26&gs_id=2&xhr=t&q=3620+North+Lister,+KC,+MO:&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1280&bih=571&wrapid=tljp131851560628100&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl


The North Kansas Hospital is within walking distance from Lister, if I understand this map correctly.  My reasoning for mentioning
this fact is if the baby were overmedicated or if the baby were in a coma, the hospital was within minutes away.  IMO

North Kansas Hospital
2800 Clay Edwards Drive
North Kansas City, MO 64116


 ::MonkeyMad::

seahorse -  I don't really know what you mean about the camper not being moved.  The picture posted by Jersey Girl that Trimmy brought forward for us was posted 10/10.  I'm not sure what date the photo was taken, and I don't know if the camper is still there or not, unless someone has seen something  somewhere saying it's been moved. 

BTW, what's "off subject"?   :scratch:

your right I had to go back and look .. Im not good at all the codes either :)

Thank-you, Muffy, I do not like the crowd the thread up with my opinions, HA, so I want to create a boundry to state
another subject...

I hope I am not being obnoxious (right now) but I went over to bing.com for directions from Lister to the hospital just
8 minute's away, trying to clear-up the last map, that did not seem to load correctly.
 
 ::MonkeyBike::

Route:2.7 mi, 7 min

8 min in current traffic conditions

A2800 Clay Edwards Dr, Kansas City, MO 64116
1Depart Clay Edwards Dr toward Walker Rd
0.4 mi2Turn right onto Walker Rd
412 ft3Turn left onto MO-210 East
1.3 mi4Take ramp right for N Brighton Ave toward Searcy Creek Pkwy
0.3 mi5Turn left onto N Brighton Ave
0.2 mi6Turn left onto NE 34TH Terrace
0.1 mi7Road name changes to N Lister Dr
0.3 mi8Arrive at 3620 N Lister Dr, MO 64117 on the left
The last intersection is N Chelsea Ave
If you reach NE 37TH St, you've gone too far
If anything happened to little Lisa, crying out loud, a hospital was minutes away.






http://www.bing.com/maps/Default.aspx?encType=1&v=2&ss=ypid.YN474x8604337&style=r&FORM=LLDP#Y3A9MzkuMTUwOTYzMzE4MDg4Nzd+LTk0LjU0NTYzNjE3NzA2Mjk5Jmx2bD0xNSZzdHk9ciZydHA9cG9zLjM5LjE0OTU0Mzc2MjIwNzA0Xy05NC41NTI0NjczNDYxOTE0XzI4MDAlMjBDbGF5JTIwRWR3YXJkcyUyMERyJTJDJTIwS2Fuc2FzJTIwQ2l0eSUyQyUyME1PJTIwNjQxMTZfX19lX35wb3MuMzkuMTU5OTE5NzM4NzY5NTNfLTk0LjUyNTU4MTM1OTg2MzI4XzM2MjAlMjBOJTIwTGlzdGVyJTIwRHIlMkMlMjBNTyUyMDY0MTE3X19fZV8mbW9kZT1EJnJ0b3A9MH4wfjB+

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1Zvo3YEs8
We are waiting to hear when Bill Stanton plans to hold a news conference. We will let you know when we hear.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... via mobile 9:38 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1afpI3V7S

SEAHORSE

thats without speeding or rushing and an ambulance could get there quick too.

 I have sooo many scenarios flying around my head. I think Both Parents know something esp the mom.

Waiting for Wild Bill's news conference.

I see nothing was found on the woods searched yesterday. At least nobody can say that KCPD didn't try.

About Jersey... he's got a family somewhere. IF the PD passes out his sketch or picture, maybe he will be identified sooner than going door to door. My opinion.

Is the mystery man who is with Deborah on video her younger brother Phillip Netz. Is Deb buying booze for Phillip? Phillip appears to be underage.
https://www.facebook.com/phillynetz?sk=friends (https://www.facebook.com/phillynetz?sk=friends) the clerk remarked that the man was Phillip. He certainly likes to drink. Has Phil been using the Irwin address?

Is this Phil https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1068232403241&set=a.1006248093672.591.1749000701&type=3&theater

http://www.myspace.com/moguy410/photos (http://www.myspace.com/moguy410/photos) If you look at the photos on Phil's myspace the captions reads BEER pOnG & partyin at J's - is this the downstairs of Irwin house. Were they in the habit of hosting alcohol parties for underage kids?
Was someone living in the camper in the backyard?
(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/ViewfromNewChopper-backofirwinHome-1.jpg)
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6236/6214322110_fa7fd404aa_o.jpg)

I am sure that they have checked jails to see if anyone was arrested on public intoxication or any alcohol related charge...maybe he is there?  Surely they checked though.

I have been looking at him too.  Here he is listed as 20 ( http://pipl.com/search/?q=phillip+netz ).  I wonder if they had a get together that night with some of his buddies...surely they have checked this out though.

Cherry
I saw pics of phillip doing shots so he drinks so does the older brother has dwi's
Thy all seem to party..


Seahorse....
I said Jeremy was prob divorced but now I see he filed for paternity .. so thy weren't married.
Most guys don't file for paternity.

I wonder where rasleen raim is and if deported why? Sad

Another head scratcher based on this picture.  The driveway appears to go beside the house and around to the back.  Why would Jeremy not park in the back, as it appears they normally do and go in the back door as opposed to the front door? ::CowboySmiley::

The homeless guy thy are looking for is in his 20s maybe he's Phillips friend ? Maybe he was there that night partying ?

Thank-you for the correction, JI is a snake, IMO.

Thank-you for the steps for the dockets, worked well.

http://www.calhouncountymi.gov/assets/1/7/FOC302.pdf  ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&cp=10&gs_id=z&xhr=t&q=phil+netz%3A+BEER+pOnG+%26+partyin+at+J's+-&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=phil+netz:+BEER+pOnG+%26+partyin+at+J's+-&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=bc10a23150ae866b&biw=1280&bih=571

Star Monkey

I am not handy dandy on these dockets, if you would like to check it out.

I wonder if Phillip was staying in Camper or maybe homeless friend?

Jeremys behavior is odd .. I'm not sure if he's guilty or mad at the mom. However I can tell the mom is very deceptive.  So either he will help LE find his daughter or he won't if he helped the mom cover what she did. I'm just not sure.
Also Jeremy lived in different counties who knows what he has on him
U would have to spend all day digging

From KMBC's Michael Mahoney: Kansas city’s new Police Chief, Darryl Forte, says he has been updated on the Lisa Irwin case regularly during the transition. Forte was sworn in officially Thursday morning. He was selected by the Police Board last Friday. The baby girl was reported on Tuesday October 4, a few days before Forte’s appointment. Forte says he has been updated twice a day on the case. He refused comment on the case. He’s referring all questions to The police public affairs office.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 10:54 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ag6BSzX7


New Kansas City Police Chief Darryl Forte was sworn in this morning. He oversees the department currently investigating the disappearance of baby Lisa.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 10:48 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ag60ALfI

Bill Stanton says no news conference will be held today, likely will be held tomorrow.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... via mo

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ag5uHpx1

So, a safe theory could be that he went to work, finished early and went home to find his wife and a few friends wasted, so to "show her" he took Lisa to a relative and went on with turning on the lights, leaving door open, waking the wife and calling police when Lisa was not in her crib.

Could he be capable?

Not saying this is what happened, but another theory.

I wonder why wouldn't the police accept his offer to take a polygraph.

Me too .. there's a reason le desperate to find homeless guy.either thy suspect him or need him to fill in answers re that night. I bet he was there thy had a party.

Also I hear rumor the older bro text the mom at 230 am
Not sure if true..

There you go.

Wild Bill says there will be NO conference today, maybe tomorrow.

What a crock!

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

Guess we won't hear from "Wild Bill" today


http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58345&page=25


Bill Stanton says no news conference will be held today, likely will be held tomorrow.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... via mobile 10/13/2011 3:34:31 PM 10:34 AM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1agIIDhbI

Hat Tip Cat99 Justice Quest

Sorry, Itaryl...must be ESP
Too many questions we had for the PI  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Going with that theory.....once baby Lisa is "found" it would go a long way in proving what an unfit mom DB is.....ya know, maybe a quick condemnation from a judge, custody awarded to dad...done deal?????? Sounds like the custody battle for his older son was drawn out and contentious.
Still seems too insane to be a hoax but IDK????

I agree moosee that's a theory spinning in my head..
Or maybe he was angry thy fought baby was crying baby got hurt in the confrontation?

It's cool. The more the merrier.

Got yah beat by about a  minute, though.
 ::MonkeyTongue::

Police know who this man is--a neighbor.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Surveillance-video-shows-Lisa-Irwins-mother-out-shopping-the-night-of-disappearance#ixzz1aaHgECA3

He is not Lisa's minor brother for whom she is buying wine! 

I don't think that Lisa buying wine is scandalous.  Maybe she was buying it for herself and/or her husband.  Maybe they like to have a bit of boxed wine with dinner.  The only scandalous thing I see is the wine's container.  While I know many people who like a glass of wine with dinner, I can't say I know anyone who pours it from a box.  Perhaps it has a fruity bouquet with a cardboard undertone.  Maybe it goes well with a boxed dinner.

Folks, we don't know why she was buying the wine.  We don't know for whom she was buying the wine.  It was several hours before her baby was abducted.  She couldn't know the baby was going to be abducted. Even if she accidentally killed Lisa, she couldn't foretell an accident.  The baby appears to be very well cared for, unlike Haleigh Cummings and some others who have been murdered.  I have seen no evidence that she harmed her baby.  I have seen no evidence that her husband harmed the baby. 

While I personally Have never smoked, inhaled, injected or swallowed an illegal drug, it is certainly not unusual in today's world that many people have and do.  Many people smoke Marijuana. Some of them have been arrested. It isn't anything to be proud of, but it doesn't indicate that it turned you into a baby killer.

Huuhhh.  This poor baby.  Where are you little one?? 
Even with all the media-spin out there, I still haven't completely hopped on to the 'the mom did it' theory.  I guess call me 'on the fence'.  There may be something she has done that created a situation for Lisa to be taken but I'm not sold that she was directly involved with it.

I'm also under the thinking LE is pretty empty handed right now when it comes to hard evidence and scrounging for anything they can attempt to turn into evidence.  Anything they do have right now, I fear, is speculative.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Itaryl, do you think a new development could be breaking in this case for wild bill to zip it? (his mouth) :)

I read on HM, LE took a brown brown from the residence, yesterday, not known what was in the bag.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/10/13/lisa-irwin-case-more-searches-no-baby-pseudo-pi/#more-8194

Posted on October 13, 2011 by Valhall

 
Fox4kc reports that law enforcement interviewed the parents again yesterday at a relatives home.  They then returned to the Irwin residence entering the home empty-handed, but leaving with one envelope and a brown paper bag with something in it.


 

If LE is really interested in locating a homeless man that was in the area...wouldn't it make sense to get that photo out to the public so they can help with finding him?  Even just to question him? 

Interesting...where did I hear that his name was Phillip?  I will have to go back and look.  He also looks so much like her relative Phillip.  Will have to go back and look.  Thanks Babybear.  I agree that the pot smoking doesn't MAKE her a killer...or anyone a killer...it is something to look at though to see a behavior...a combination of illegal drugs with wine could lead to something...but all speculation...theories...that's all we have right now...that's it. 

Most wine comes in 24.3 ounce bottles.  The alchohol content is around 12%  Maybe two or three people could conceivably get a little buzzed sharing a bottle, but certainly a "group" of people wouldn't be falling down drunk or "wasted" on one box of wine, if a box is approximately equivalent to a bottle.  Sweet  dessert wine has a little more alchohol but still not nearly as much as liquor.

I still see nothing wrong with Deborah buying a box of wine, except the wine's container.  Maybe she should be arrested for that.

If Phillip lives inside camper, then he could qualify as a neighbor. I still want to know why are we all led to belive this is a small house? Why haven't we seen the basement? Is it a party den? The teen who had the access code to garage? Was she a girlfriend of Phillip's. Were they inside the camper and bathroom facilities inside of house?

Something happened they wanted to cover up, what? And why?

Also was baby Lisa crawling yet? Is it possible she did fall out of crib and got out of bedroom and fell downstairs? I always thought it was odd they said they always close her door. Why? I'd leave it open so I could hear her.

Something is hinkey here!

Yeah I agree nothing wrong with buying wine...unless she left that out.  If so, why?  That's it.  I think every bit of behavior is important to analyze...but one particular thing alone like this alone doesn't tell us she is guilty.  So true.

Edit to add hyperlinked twitterlink. MB   http://twitter.com/#!/SandraKCTV5 (http://twitter.com/#!/SandraKCTV5)
@SandraKCTV5

Right now Baby Lisa's dad is in backyard of this house sitting in chair under a tree talking with Private Det. twitpic.com/6zqkp4  (http://twitpic.com/6zqkp4)

(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/13/ce815025-4e45-47ca-be32-35c4b15bb953_400.jpg)

Jeremy Irwin, baby Lisa's father, talks to a private detective behind his parent's home.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 11:24 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1agES0eSe

Oops [/url]https://mobile.twitter.com/#!/SandraKCTV5[/url] http://twitter.com/#!/SandraKCTV5 (http://twitter.com/#!/SandraKCTV5)
Edit to fix link.  MB

The 'Handyman'

Neighbors near the Irwin family home on North Lister said police have knocked on doors, asking about a man who goes by the name “Jersey.” According to neighbors, he works as a handyman.

Capt. Steve Young said he cannot confirm that police are looking for the handyman, only that police continue to actively contact people who are "frequents" to the area near the Irwin home.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-lisa-irwin-day-10-what-you-may-have-missed-20111013,0,5815096.story

I am wondering the same thing! Maybe thy know he is not a suspect in any way but even so can't thy post his pic just for questioning? I dunno ?

sitting outside for fear of the  potential of bugged house by the evil LE ?  Color me cynical.

Trimmy,

T.Y. very cool

Is that a fridge tv! Cool!!!

 
Baby Lisa's mother is also speaking with private investigator Bill Stanton



Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1agI0Pcre

ME: No cool photos

(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/13/b055bef3-e7b1-4a9a-acb5-d49e9f6bf39a_400.jpg)
Deborah Bradley and Bill Stanton
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 11:44 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1agJsWLsX

(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/13/639fc23b-7a49-42fa-86e7-a9ea8ab307ee_400.jpg)
The family meets with a private investigator
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 11:44 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1agJfkWEF

Ok Duh dummy me I see now its a tv from news van haha!

Do you think Wild Bill is having "second thoughts" about this case?  IMO He should, his reputation is on the line.

I keep thinking baby Lisa did not ask to be born, and she not ask to be in this zoo-like family, IMO. :(

Some years ago I was on a forum dedicated to a child who had been murdered in her own home.  The prevailing opinion was that the parents had killed her, although she was greatly loved and well cared for and there was no reason whatsoever to believe they had murdered their daughter.  I joined the mob in accusing them of all kinds of terrible things, with no more evidence than we have in this case.  A couple of years passed, there were no arrests and through a strange set of circumstances I met the parents of the murdered child.  They were warm, lovely, people who were heartbroken.  I spoke to them at some length and I realized that they had nothing to do with the tragedy and that their lives were forever changed by losing their daughter.  I was ashamed of the things I had said about them with no evidence, just to be one of the crowd.  I discovered that they read that particular forum and I apologized to them for any grief I might have caused them.  They graciously accepted my apology.

I promised myself that I would never do anything like that again.  Cindy and George Anthony have proven by their actions that they deserve disdain.  Their daughter has proven by her actions that she murdered her daughter.  But these people did nothing that we know of to deserve the scorn heaped on them.  It was then I realized the harm I could do to innocent people and that these people are real people, not some phantom characters in a novel.  They laugh, they cry, they feel love for their children.  And until there is some evidence of guilt I will never do that again.  I have seen the harm it causes.

What others do is their own affair.  As for me, I will wait until their is cause to believe someone is guilty of a heinous crime such as child murderer and I see none here.  I believe that "Bearing false witness," doesn't only mean to not commit perjury in court.  It also means not to falsely accuse someone of a crime without evidence.

 I had to correct a mispelling and wanted to say I think I had better step back from this for a few days.

In correcting a misspelling I misspelled misspelling. LOL

Thanks for sharing your story.  I have always worried about putting too much out there or to outright accuse without proof.  I do understand however the need to at least throw some ideas around as long as it is stated that this is merely what is being done.  I believe that each one of us have something in our past that could look suspicious...example...a great interest in crime forums.  That would likely seem suspicious to others that are not interested in that.  So I completely understand where you are coming from.  Sorry that you have to step away for a few days...you bring great insight. 

From KMBC's Maria Antonia: The investigator leaves the house after talking this morning to what appeared to be both the mom and dad of the missing toddler. He didn't comment on his conversations with the family, and when I asked him about the team he's assembling he says some will be arriving and only said there would be several people.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 12:35 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1agZ4ljLG

Darryl, Darryl and Darryl.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

LindsayShively Lindsay Shively  twitter.com/#!/LindsayShively (http://twitter.com/#!/LindsayShively) Edit to add link.  MB
@PeterAlexander learned unknown man in security tape w/ #LisaIrwin's mom=mom's brother. Bought baby items, wine hours b4 Lisa last seen.

OS

I understand exactly where you are coming from and I agree.
It is so easy to put someone else's life under a microscope and see the flaws, but the truth is we all have them.  True, some are more glaring than others, but flaws just the same.
I too refrain from pointing or wagging the proverbial finger.  It is with deep interest for this baby to be found safely that I continue to follow this case (and others).

I also heard that today on Fox/Megyn Kelly. The surveillance video at the grocery store has been released and showed Mom indeed buying boxed wine........... and baby items.

I do not know WHAT to make of this case. I just want little Lisa home and alright. I know the odds aren't in her favor, but I'm praying this will be the exception!

Hi CBB

I don't know either. While imo it doesn't look good for baby Lisa, I am praying and hoping she is found healthy and well.

OS

Look people stop knocking the box wine ok...LMAO!  Box wine contains about 3 normal bottles of wine in it and the plastic bag inside is self sealing so if you don't drink it for long periods it does not turn to vinegar.  Lastly I have a few sugar water drinkers...that's White Zinfandel's for the novice...I buy them box wines because most sweet wines taste the same to me.  Now I could really use a glass myself right now but the rule for me is no drink until after 6pm except when fishing.

 ::monkeywine2::

 ::snipping2::
Parents of Missing Missouri Baby Lisa Irwin Rush to Police Command Center; Is There a New Lead in the Case?


The parents of missing Missouri baby Lisa Irwin were scheduled to be on America Live moments ago, but according to a family member, they were rushed to the police command center to discuss a possible new lead in the case.

A reporter at the scene joined Megyn Kelly and said that a source at the command center says they saw the couple having an animated discussion with police. After it ended, the parents got in a car and sped away. Police say that the emotional conversation was in response to a report that police were beginning to search a wooded area near the home again

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/06/parents-of-missing-missouri-baby-lisa-irwin-rush-to-police-command-center-is-there-a-new-lead-in-the-case/

There is nothing wrong with her buying wine....EXCEPT... she did not inform LE (according to reports) he found out by finding a
reciept.  Pass the wine:)

OT and I've kept quiet and this is all I will say:

I agree with fatcatluker on  the wine box issue.  There are some fairly decent wines in a box and even though I have a nice wine collection and refrigerated wine area in my home, my husband and I drink Black Box Cabernet (about $20 - $24.00 a box) and some others. We go to wine tastings and to wineries to buy from them.  We aren't  college kids having  a drink-a-thon,  :drunken:    and we can and do buy nice wines.  It's just very convenient when you want just a glass of wine or if we are over with friends and etc.   ::monkeywine2:: 

 ::monkeywine2:: 

 ::snipping2::  Edit to add link per StarMonkey.  MB  http://actualtraffic.net/Dating/lisa-irwin-missing-update-friends-and-family-pray-while-police-continue-search/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
military were called to Edwardsville, Kansas on a tip. Detectives searched a wooded area where it went into a Kansas River.

Lisa Irwin Missing Update: Friends and family urge while military continue search
Posted by Dating on October 13, 2011

(I have No idea what kind of website this is but wierd they say Military is called in for search by river)

I aree nothing wrong for some reason LE is on her waiting on her to crack IMO from what I observe

T.Y.
Speculation on JQ about DB...interesting, since nothing is conclusive, I will add a link:

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1017174#post1017174

Scroll from the bottom of page, IMO it is easier, (hint)chatting about Judge Janine

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-irwin-family-consultant-wild-bill-interviews-parents-separately-20111013,0,2189694.story
Wild Bill Stanton Digs Deep, Interviews Baby Lisa's Parents
Mitch Weber - Follow him on Twitter Sarah Clark, Interactive Content Producer - Facebook

1:32 p.m. CDT, October 13, 2011

since we're confessing.....I like the box of Margaritas...mmmmmmmmm so good ::monkeymargarita::

I totally forgot to post it sorry I have had 0 sleep and my brain is fried :)  Thanks!  I'll add it to your posts.  ::bee::
here it is sorry!
http://actualtraffic.net/Dating/lisa-irwin-missing-update-friends-and-family-pray-while-police-continue-search/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Store Manager watches video says:

 ::snipping2::
"I've seen the video and the baby's mother [Deborah Bradley] was seen with an unidentified man buying a box of wine. She did not buy paper plates or napkins," the store manager said

(bolded by me)

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/baby-lisa-missing-10-days-surveillance-911-tapes-obtained

Deborah Bradley did indeed buy OTHER items but store manager would not (for some reason) Elaborate on what they were but was not baby items or paper plates he said!

(from same artical above same link)  http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/baby-lisa-missing-10-days-surveillance-911-tapes-obtained

 :2thinky:  Was it baby wipes like this article said?  (Hat tip Trimmy)


http://www.kmbc.com/news/29465841/detail.html
Missing Baby's Mom Shopped Hours Earlier
Deborah Bradley Seen On Store Surveillance Images
POSTED: 3:24 pm CDT October 12, 2011
 ::snipping2::
NBC's Today reported that Bradley was seen buying wine and baby wipes.
 ::snipping2::

UPDATED: 3:50 pm CDT October 12, 2011

According to this report, the man with Mom at the store was her brother, and Mom bought wine and baby wipes. It shows the surveillance video:

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/america-live/index.html

 ::snipping2::
I don't know what to make of it either.  But I too hope she's OK.  Have the parents been searching at all for her?




I confess:  I used to buy boxed wine for my son's birthday parties when he was little.  Just because there were so many party attendees and I didn't want to deal with a bunch of glass bottles.  Clink clink.

Well, duh.  I should have read that closer, that it wasn't baby items.   ::MonkeyConfused::  (I'm really on edge and going back and forth looking at news in the second Petit Family murder trial)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Hi Muffy!!  ::MonkeyTongue::

I was looking for the link as you were posting!!  ::MonkeyWink::

BTW.......... I've been to many Christmas parties with a large guest list where boxed wine was informally served.............. and they were nice parties, in nice homes with nice people!

So there!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyJnBox::

 ::MonkeyKiss::

The Examiner is not the most relliable source in reporting..I'll go with NBC that it was wine and baby wipes....and her brother with her.  I also can see how she might not think to mention her grocery pit stop hours before the disappearance..because it probably has nothing to do with it....meaning she didn't think that her going to the grocery store had any connection to baby Lisa disappearing..and may not have at that.

MuffyBee This case is getting crazy and very confusing! I am wondering where they are searching again today or if was a bluff? why was parents upset speeding off?

CBB  I love wine I cannot afford real expensive I do buy Sangria the Best one I can get :)

BUT if I bought a WHOLE box My husband would be worried LOL

I really wonder if they could afford that whole box too with a baby and 2 older sons? the dad Just starting to work mom doesnt work..

Thank you CBB.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Have you seen a little bee with sparkly wings sitting on the curb with a bottle  (and not a box!!) of "Mad Dog" in a paper sack?      ::MonkeyTongue::

Live video...
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 2:27 PM
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1Zvo3YEs8

does anyone know if they took the screen as evidence? Can they tell if it was recently damaged I wonder?

 I know FBI said its almost impossible someone went through the window but Im wondering if maybe the screen was already damaged. (or if they think to ask ppl that)?

I hear they are doing a new search of an area now

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-911-surveillance-tape-14726992

Talks abt "brother" at store, confirmed by family member.

OS

Yes off 210 -Trimm posted an artical about it above heres the link :)

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1Zvo3YEs8

Forgot to mention 2 High powered attorneys coming in.

OS

Thank you OS. 

::MonkeyEek::
 ::MonkeyEek::Margaritas come in a box too???? Darn I need to get out more.....I am a really cheap drunk. Mostly, because I am always with the kids and I don't feel right drinking if hubby is away. Not that I haven't thought about it.... ::MonkeyCool::

Debbie buying wine is really not a big deal......unless her alcohol tolerance is like mine...
I am concerned if her brother was living with them on the property. If so, this opens up so many more options as to what may of happened to baby Lisa. Incidentally, this is the same brother who at the age of 10 years old had found his own Mother deceased. (this was posted in the first thread)

I am not a screen expert but usually, (here in a high humidity enviroment) I have noticed if our screen had become crimped or bent somehow that eventually it would show some corrosion/rust where it was bent. I believe the frame is made of aluminum. I don't know how long it takes for the rust/corrosion to show up but I imagine that humidity levels would be a factor. The Irwin's house was built sometime in the 50's and I would think the screens would have been replaced at some point.

Hold on a sec.  Let me see if I can find a post or article today where the police dispatcher mentioned a damaged screen.... 

Found it:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12185.0   
Police Dispatch Tapes & 911 Calls (if/when released)

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29471219/detail.html
Hear Dispatch Tapes Moments After Baby Lisa Disappears
October 13, 2011


KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- KMBC 9 News exclusively obtained more than 12 hours of police dispatch tapes that help outline the moments following 11-month-old Lisa Irwin's disappearance.

KMBC's Martin Augustine listened to several hours of the tapes and reported that the situation quickly escalates after the initial call.

"Report of a residential burglary in progress," one of the dispatchers said on the tapes. "3620 North Lister. Contact Jeremy. Respond code 1."

Code 1 tells officers to respond to the scene quickly. Jeremy refers to Jeremy Irwin, the father of baby Lisa, who called police after returning from an overnight work shift on Oct. 4 to find her daughter missing.

"He noticed the screen is busted and 10-month-old daughter is missing," the dispatcher continues. "He advised he didn't witness anything. And they don't know how long she's been gone."

In the minutes following the initial dispatch, officers can be heard canvassing the neighborhood.

"How are you on your area canvass," one officer asks another.

More...
Video at Link

I would assume that  LE knows this, but was Jeremy working with someone else or was he working by himself?  Just because he says he got home at 4 - is there proof of that?  Is there someone who was with him that can confirm he was where he said he was?

IF it was the "handyman"  would he have worn gloves as to not leave fingerprints?  We have not heard whether there are any fingerprints that cannot be identified... Do we know if the parents were fingerprinted to check against any that may have been collected at the scene?

Where is Lisa????

One more question...(or more)  Have we seen where any evidence has been removed from the house?  Like the computer, perhaps bedding from Lisa's crib?  Clothing? Etc.  SURELY LE processed the house - looking for fibers, grass/dirt from outside on the window ledge or floor at the window....

This was in the first thread, on page 2, which was fairly early in the investigation. The link will show you where they are carrying two bags of stuff out of the house.   If you read through that thread, you'll see the police have been doing a lot of investigative work, including climbing in the window and etc.   The police tore up a deck and drained a well at a nearby house and etc.  They've been working on solving the case imo.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12149.msg1474128#msg1474128

Self-edit to correct pg. #

Thank you Miss Bee!   

I sure wish we would get some more information.... Perhaps when the items taken are processed we will hear something.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: Praying for you little Lisa  ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi Kimmy!!
I know........... it's a haunting question............. WHERE is little Lisa??

Does anybody else wish that Dad had been polygraphed as well? It's not that I particularly suspect him or anything, it just seems that all stones need to be looked under. JMO.

ITA with you Kimmy.   ::rhino::  I wish we would get more information. 

 ::MonkeyAngel::  Lisa  ::MonkeyAngel::

Are you talking about Jeremy?  He offered to take a poly and LE said it wouldn't be necessary.  They seem to indicate they know where he was and can account for the time.  But still...

Has it crossed anyone's mind LE might be playing "divide and conquer"? 

Divide and Conquer has occurred to me, Miss Bee!   ::rhino::

Yes, I was referring to Jeremy. I was just hoping that maybe he could provide something!

Yep, I think Jeremy should be polyed too.  I was just commenting about LE saying it wasn't necessary.  Even though Jeremy may be able to account for his time that evening, what if there are other things that came into play?  Is that what you're thinking CBB?  Maybe the police really feel like Debbie is responsible.  But then, what if they are putting pressure on her hard, and it's not her, but Jeremy that had something to do with it?  Or maybe he either knows or has a good idea of what's happened and isn't telling? 

New YouTube videos of baby Lisa have been discovered
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 4:31 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ahTh1JXz

Lisa yelling at mommy lol
http://www.youtube.com/v/bs-ATML-Uew?version=3&amp;hl=en_US

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/windowirwin.jpg)
I doubt an intruder got in that window without leaving evidence. Look at FBI guy has to help him
get in.


(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/jeremyanddeborah.jpg)
something about the look on the mothers face like she can't face what it is
and the dad already knows what it is.

I just have a gut feeling they know something.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=674287#.Tpdwl7Ig-T8
Day 10 of search for missing baby Lisa Irwin
by Newsdesk KRCG
Posted: 38 mins ago
 ::snipping2::
Police returned Thursday to the area about one mile from the home where Lisa Irwin's parents reported her missing early Oct. 4. Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley said the baby was gone from her crib after Jeremy Irwin returned from a late shift at work. The parents say they believe someone abducted the child.
 
Police have said they have no suspects or leads.

The area that was searched Thursday had been checked the previous day by teams with all-terrain vehicles and tracking dogs, but police said they wanted to give the area a more complete search.

Posted: 3:15 PM
Last Updated: 23 minutes ago

    By: Lindsay Shively By: Lindsay Shively
    Contributor: Kevin Mitchell

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Kansas City police were back on the search for missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin Thursday. The FBI was also involved in the search.

Police searched a wooden area north of 210 Highway, west of Searcy Creek Pkwy., east of N. Brighton Ave., and south of N. 36th St.

They canvassed the wooded area on foot and also used ATV's and search dogs.

Police said that they have received almost 1,000 tips to their TIPS Hotline at 816-474-TIPS (8477). Of the 1,000 tips, they say that around 500 have been worthy of following up on, and of those 500 around 400 have been processed. They also said that between 30 to 50 officers are currently pursuing leads.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Police-search-wooded-area-near-210-Hwy.-and-Searcy-Creek-Pkwy.-for-Lisa-Irwin#ixzz1ahsFF8gv

continued..

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Police-search-wooded-area-near-210-Hwy.-and-Searcy-Creek-Pkwy.-for-Lisa-Irwin

I have not seen anything about taking their computer but I was wondering about it

New Baby Lisa Search Conducted In Field, Woods..Video

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29478438/detail.html#ixzz1ahvlvke3

mitchweber Mitch Weber
The CO man tells FOX 4 the family refuses to talk to him about helping find #BabyLisaIrwin
10 minutes ago

Mitch Weber
mitchweber Mitch Weber
A man from Colorado who claims he helps find missing children arrives to talk to #LisaIrwin family yfrog.com/nxvm4bvj (http://yfrog.com/nxvm4bvj)
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@kristineg4 the parents are supposed to talk to the media tomorrow. We'll see.
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Mitch Weber
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@peewitsunshine the parents are expected to talk the media again tomorrow. We will see. If they do talk to us, it will have been 1 week
30 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/mitchweber (http://twitter.com/#!/mitchweber)

about jeremy not taking a LTD/poly,i dont believe him,maybe he refused
if nothing else the LE would want to clear him of having knowledge of the
crime against baby lisa
i can think of a couple Qs

Q1. did you ask for the overtime at work

Q2.did you do something to your daughter

Q3.do you know where your daughter is

Q4.did your wife do something to lisa
 

NG said she heard through the grapevine that high profile Chicago attorney

Kathleen Zellner has been in contact with parents/family.

Guess that's 1, don't know who the other is.

OS

R both Jeremy and Deborah having separate attorney's like Ron Cummings and Misty Croslin did?

http://www.kathleentzellner.com/privilegedinformation.html

Kathleen Zellner

OS

Wouldn't suprise me.

OS

I could care less what kind of container Debi purchases wine in.  That she didn't think to mention to LE that she'd been shopping that day does bother me.  I'm sure they asked her to retrace her steps that day.  Also, if she bought items other than baby wipes and failed to mention them, that could be telling as well....like a gas card or matches.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15687317/day-10-private-investigator-interviews-baby-lisas-parents-family


Interesting...

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44888195#44888195

well in this video they say Kathleen Zellner is NOT representing the family.

She appears in it also.

Another don't know what to think..

OS

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
Please God bring this precious baby home

Well, Nancy Grace has wasted no time in implying that the parents are involved with baby Lisa's disappearance.  No big surprise there.  One thing she said that I found really stupid was that she questions the fact that the parents are grieving.  "Why are they grieving when the baby has not been declared dead?"  Ummm, really Nancy?  Perhaps they are grieving because the baby is MISSING.

I also saw footage on her show of some sort of structure being torn down by a backhoe.  Is this the abandoned home or something else?

 ::rhino::

I just love when babies do that, brings back memories and tears for little Lisa. I am so confused.
By the way, if you click on the "youtube" icon in the imbedded video Trimm posted, it brings you to youtube where there are 4 videos total of baby Lisa that appears Debbie uploaded.

Good evening Monkey's,

Baby Sabrina's parents moved after her disappearance, too. :(
I would stay in the house where I could hang onto good memories.

Here is Deborah's entire Youtube channel - 4 videos of Lisa however, they are all older, uploaded before March 7, 2011.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUcrZINiTFk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUcrZINiTFk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)

1,000 Reward

Glad to see an award but disppointed it is so meager.  Where are the car washes, bake sales, and making bracelets,
to sell them to up the reward? 

I just saw this, I don't recall seeing this posted yet:

Who Is the Man in Grocery Store Surveillence Video With Baby Lisa Irwin’s Mother?
by America Live
Oct 13, 2011

Judge Jeanine Pirro, who’s is Kansas City, Missouri to report on the case, tells Megyn Kelly that she’s learned from sources, “That video surveillance includes not only Deborah, the mother, but her brother, who apparently took her to the market to buy not just wine, but baby wipes. Our sources are telling us that this was cleared.” She adds that Lisa’s mother did not have a license to drive, which is why he drove her to the supermarket.

In discussing the case, Pirro says, “There’s no inconsistencies here, which is why many people are stumped.”

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/13/who-is-the-man-in-grocery-store-surveillence-video-with-baby-lisa-irwins-mother/#more-77591  (http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/13/who-is-the-man-in-grocery-store-surveillence-video-with-baby-lisa-irwins-mother/#more-77591)

Thanks cartfly...I wonder why she doesn't have a license? 

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=1380&p=181178#p181178

mixologist74  shared insight in the store outing.

We will live stream the news conference here on KMBC.com if it happens
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 6:22 AM

We're still expecting to hear from the family at 10:30 a.m.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 6:21 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1al090NoC

Article and Video

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- A private investigator consulting the family of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin spoke one-on-one with ABC on Thursday.

Bill Stanton spoke about the range of emotions the Irwin family is going through as the search continued for missing baby Lisa.

"I am seeing a family's heart literally torn out of its chest," Stanton told ABC on Thursday. "How do you deal with a heart torn out of your chest? How many tears can you cry?"

Stanton was asked whether he thought Lisa's mother had anything to do with the baby's disappearance.

"She wants to be looked at," Stanton said. "She wants to be vetted, and then once everyone feels she's not a suspect, let's move on and get the bad guy. In my opinion, she understands, look at me, question me, let's get this done."

Stanton said the Irwin family was expected to speak with the media on Friday morning. It was not known if Lisa's parents, Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley, would attend the news conference or if they would speak.

continued..

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29482161/detail.html#ixzz1al2fjfK6

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/754d1541-7779-432c-ae46-1db2da274735/News/Police-Investigate-So-Called-Handyman-Named-Jersey
Police Investigate So-Called Handyman Named Jersey

I guess they do want to find him if he lived right across the street from the Irwin's house...even if it is just to eleminate him.

Personally I am thinking Mom maybe had a little to much to drink and stuff happened...guess we will see.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Celebrity-security-consultant-may-unveil-team-of-experts-in-Lisa-Irwin-case (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Celebrity-security-consultant-may-unveil-team-of-experts-in-Lisa-Irwin-case)

Celebrity security consultant 'Wild Bill' may unveil team of experts in Lisa Irwin case

Posted: 7:22 AM
Last Updated: 3 minutes ago

    By: Chris Hernandez By: Chris Hernandez

KANSAS CITY, Missouri - A man known as "Wild Bill" has been in Kansas City for a few days, and says he is pulling together a team of experts to help the family of the missing baby, 11 month old Lisa Irwin.

Bill Stanton interviewed the baby's parents separately on Thursday.

Stanton is considered a celebrity security consultant who has appeared on national TV and helped with high profile cases.

But he is not licensed as a private investigator in Missouri, and local investigators have questioned his actions here.

Friday Stanton is expected to talk with reporters about the next stage of his investigation and perhaps we may also hear from the baby's parents, who have not talked with local reporters in about a week.

 ::snipping2::

My guess, based on the information from the MO website, is that her license has been revoked. 

As far as we know, plans are still on for a 10:30 a.m. news conference. I should mention that's 10:30 a.m. CT, 11:30 a.m. ET
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 8:07 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1alHLEsGh

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-baby-lisa-parents-names-cleared-14735959
Missing Baby Lisa: Parents Want Names Cleared
Legal analyst Dan Abrams discusses the investigation into the missing baby.
02:54 | 10/14/2011

I'm guessing this site was down last night from 9:00pm to 7:00am this morning?

I tried logging in four times and couldn't, it said there was a connection problem. I thought I had been given a time-out.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Glad to see it up and running.

Waiting to see what the family has to say. Maybe they want to change people's minds about the type of persons they are, and clear their names.

Which will be hard to do unless Lisa is found.

  ::MonkeyHaHa::   I thought the same thing at first!  lol  I tried to think of what I'd posted during the day to earn a place in the corner.

I was thinking about the call/text between Debi and her brother.  "I'm ready when you are." is something I've said to my husband in a couple of different circumstances...

1.  I'm ready to go to town for shopping or to eat out.
2.  We're at some event and I'm ready to go home.

If this call took place in the afternoon (IIRC, 2:30), maybe this was about the trip to the grocery.
If this call took place in the am, did Debi & her brother attend something while Jeremy was at work?  Did the kids go too or were they left home alone? 

I'm still holding out hope for baby Lisa ... but certainly they are not searching those sites for a live baby. I hate this. It makes me sick. I pray she is found soon.  ::MonkeyAngel::

If this call took place in the AM then we know she had her phone then. and maybe ALL the people, whoever was there, ran out of BOOZ?

 If it was afternoon then thats kinda early since he picked her up at 5pm

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15694576/private-detective-lisas-parents-grief-stricken-holding-onto-hope
Private detective: Lisa's parents grief stricken, holding onto hope
Posted: Oct 14, 2011 8:37 AM CDT Updated: Oct 14, 2011 8:42 AM CDT
By DeAnn Smith, Digital Content Manager - email
By Jeanene Kiesling, Reporter - bio | email
 
KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

Missing infant Lisa Irwin's parents are heartbroken but holding out hope that she will be returned home safe and sound, private investigator Bill Stanton says.

"This is something you don't prepare for, this is something you endure," Stanton said.

Stanton met with Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, Lisa's parents, on Thursday. The parents don't plan to speak publicly Friday, but a family member is expected to meet with the media Friday morning.

Stanton said the 11-month-old infant's parents are holding up as best as they can.

"No one can cry 24/7. It's all about hope," he said.
 ::snipping2::

::rhino::

He lives across the street to them, and the cops haven't talked to him yet??

IF the parents had nothing to do with the disappearance, then had to be someone that knew the house/neighborhood well.  Like a neighbor/mail person/delivery person or someone who mom just talked to a few times, maybe at a store that wanted a child...

The lights on in the house is still bothering me.
 ::MonkeyEek::

 ::snipping2::

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/13/ng.01.html

MCCONNELL: He lived down the street probably about a quarter of a mile from our place. He lived with some other guys and a gal. They lived there for several months. Never seen him before that. And then just here recently, a few weeks ago, they -- everyone moved out except him, and he had no place to go. And my understanding is he`s just been kind of wandering around the neighborhood.

 ::snipping2::

Has LE or FBI Questioned these people the homeless 20+ yr old was living with? Why did these people move? Why is the Homeless guy missing and no where to be found? I bet he knew Debbie or her brother.. debbies 25 Jeremy 29 brother PN is 20...
   LE wouldnt just tear down that house without a good tip would thy? It this same transcript and articals I have read before he was seen going in out of the torn down house.

What IF: the homeless guy took the baby gave it to the girl and guy he lived with that moved?
(please note that I said -(What IF) I hope the baby is found alive

Is this call/text a rumor? 

Could it have been her brother looking for a ride home at 2:30?

Also, wasn't around 2:30 when someone reportedly heard a "blood curdling" scream?   Could she have come home from picking up her brother and came home to Lisa missing (or not alive)n re-acted with a scream and then decided she needed to hide what had happened  because she was not home.... Or am I just dreaming the scream up?  Sorry I can't remember where I heard that, I have been perusing so many different places, I am afraid it is all running together now.

It could explain the missing phones, Mom thinking that she needed to get rid of evidence of the call/text, and to make it believable, just get rid of all 3 phones.  It could also explain the man with the baby only in a diaper - maybe her brother helped her in the cover up, and took Lisa somewhere (If she was indeed no alive

Also could the dumpster fire be a way for someone to get rid of evidence?  Are dumpster fires common place in that area?

Why no new recent Youtube videos? last one was from March!

Is it Possible Lisa has been missing since March or April?

And Why would they turn down Baby Chris's father? He is a retired Cop.

I really really think they are involved (At least DB is).

Chris's father is Gil Abeyta.

http://www.findchristopher.com/

Good morning Monkey's,



Maybe not sure if this is why...

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1016356

Hat Tip to "Sun"

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1016356



Post # 694

Hat tip again to SUN


 ::MonkeyEek::

We will stream it live on KMBC.com at 1 PM CT
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 9:55 AM

Hey everyone, the news conference is happening at 1 PM CT
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 9:55 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1alky46yT

Hi Seahorse!

Am I doing something wrong? The post I found numbered as 694 is by "sparkleberry" and talks about why media isn't interviewing neighbors. Is that the one you were referring to? Thanks!

thanks for bringing the info over seahorse,im still having a hard time with a stranger
kidnapping a 10 mo old baby,from her home not a pk or hospital,it just seems so unlikely
and if that did happen,you would think LE would have a lead on who did it,as it seems,it
would have to be someone the irwins know
O/T
seahorse i have a shortcut tip for you
if you want the link to go to a specific post,right click on the post #,in the case of justicquest forum
and on this forum the header of the post,like this
your post i quoted
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12175.msg1477194#msg1477194
post #694
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1016326&postcount=694

UPDATE: Private Investigator IS talking to the media at 10:30 AM CT
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:27 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1alr2CoGb

Bill Stanton: News conference is happening at 1 PM CT on Lister, home of baby Lisa's disappearance
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:37 AM

We'll plan on streaming the news conference at 1 PM
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:36 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1alrYfjHm

Cool. Thank-you, CW618 :)

Quote from: flutter1 on October 13, 2011, 08:55:10 AM

DB has had some issues herself -- possession of marijuana and revocation of her driver's license. 
https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/charges.do


This is Flutters post, I abbreviated the the name. I think the birth date is 1986,  more than one DB on the records.

I wish they published only recent pictures of Lisa.

Some of those pictures out there are from when she was 5 or 6 months.

Yesterday I saw a man with his 10 months old daughter, and in my mind I quickly said... hmm... let me refresh my memory of what a 10 months old baby looks like.

This baby was smaller than Lisa, but if I had to compare faces, there's no clear way to determine if it's Lisa, because most of her pictures available are not from when she was 10 months.

I don't know, maybe it's me being too bichy.

Great, a news conference to say the news conference will be at 1:00pm.

CBB  ::HelloKitty::

Sorry, I posted incorrectlly.  CW618 steered me in the right direction on how to post, I will need to practice:)

Did you ccess the dourt dockets? https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/base/welcome.do

I also read an issue regarding her license plate (unconfirmed)...on the link below:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=1380&p=181221

Is it true that Lisa's parents have refused to interview with local stations, and will only talk with National Media?  Did they sign an exclusive with one of the big networks?  Or is this another rumor?

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:50 am

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=1380&start=250

Re: Questions as to why Deb doesn't have a DL. When one loses their DL in MO.
and FL. before one can get another DL there are certain fees that must be paid.

Hat Tip to Seekingienwilkerson

(I need to practice on something so simple, CW618)

lol all sites/forums are diff,in this case/HM forum. it is the pg icon next to the post date time
right click it copy shortcut
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=181321&sid=90e8486a897786c78bcefaa6c55945f4#p181321

Kimmy,

IDK the answer to your question, I know I refuse to listen to them or their ding a ling PI / Consultant. 

Did the family member's thank all the searchers, YET?

I refuse to being manipulated:)

Please, CW618, is the shortcut icon on the left or right?  Is it a trueblue icon or do I need to imagine it? 

I turned gray just trying to sign out on FB  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I really needed my imagination on FB, to log out.

If no one knows, (FB) next to home an arrow to click  to sign-out.  I needed to read a message board and no one

seemed to know how to sign out, it isn't only me,  ::MonkeyEek::

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Members of the FBI come out of the woods near Lisa Irwin's house
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 11:01 AM



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The FBI is conducting another search near baby Lisa's home
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:52 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1am4FI2ON

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Family members are placing signs outside the house
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 11:17 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1am4ln8NB

Nancy Grace's facebook page just posted about a rock quarry being searched.  Off to verify with a media report.

http://www.heycameraman.net/?p=1429
#FBI Evidence response team searching again today in neighborhood.

    Written by Heycameraman
    Posted October 14, 2011 at 11:09 am

Another "Cobra"

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/14/3207180/family-thanks-kansas-city-for.html
Posted on Fri, Oct. 14, 2011 11:44 AM
Family members thanked the Kansas City community and authorities today for their continuing efforts to find missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin.

Mike Lerette, who said he was a cousin, was among three members of the family who placed signs and pictures in the yard of the baby’s home this morning in the 5200 block of North Walrond in the Northland.

Speaking for the family, Lerett said they wanted to everyone to know they appreciate the support of Kansas Citians, the coverage by the media, and the continuing efforts of the police department and the FBI to find the missing child.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/14/3207180/family-thanks-kansas-city-for.html#ixzz1am9KJvIh

Bill Stanton said, ""It is in their (the parents) best interests not to say anything...""

----

How about Lisa's best interests?

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15694576/private-detective-lisas-parents-grief-stricken-holding-onto-hope

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29484744/detail.html
Baby Lisa News Conference To Be Held At 1 P.M.
News Conference Will Be Streamed On KMBC.com
POSTED: 10:46 am CDT October 14, 2011
UPDATED: 11:26 am CDT October 14, 2011

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29484744/detail.html#ixzz1amAH0tUo

That's true...ask Felon CMA....keep your mouth closed, let paid reps speak for you....let them broker deals for the pix, meanwhile...baby is still missing , ugh

If you search the comments first ones down someone is saying the baby WAS home with the dad while Mom went to store..
 ::snipping2::
Jackie Cook Does anyone know where the baby was when the mother was at the grocery store?about an hour ago · LikeUnlike.Amy Burke ‎
@ady-posting the link would have been enough, but thanks.
about an hour ago · LikeUnlike ·  1 personLoading....Amy Burke ‎
@jackie-baby was home with Dad.
about an hour ago · LikeUnlike ·  3 peopleLoading....
Nick Wheeldon The baby was at home with dad!!
https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates/posts/186627341415743

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Press ready for the news conference. It's expected to start at 1 PM CT/2 PM ET
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 12:43 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1amOFFY4j

NBCActionNews NBC Action News
Bill Stanton about to provide update on #LisaIrwin, expected to name somebody assisting him; Watch LIVE here: pub.vitrue.com/Gff (http://pub.vitrue.com/Gff)
8 seconds ago http://twitter.com/#!/NBCActionNews (http://twitter.com/#!/NBCActionNews)

people around town talking about case. I realize these may be rumors but this info was mentioned here re the phones-the phone calls and the trash dumptser on fire phone texts and calls. now I see a time. who knows if its right?  AND the cell phones were found? if they were LE may have withold that Info for plea deals//

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I would like to know about all that wouldnt we all..

they searched the landfill 3 x must have been re something they found..and what about the screams in the woods!?

Stanton announces $100,000 reward for safe return of baby Lisa or conviction of person involved in abduction
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 1:07 PM

Stanton talking about the "wealthy benefactor" who hired him to go to Kansas City to help
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 1:06 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1amTS0fbO

where did he get that money?

The F.Members knows they will never ever need to give out the reward.  IMO.  Their cabooses are covered.
If someone finds baby Lisa, I do not believe that is included, in the reward money, I could be wrong.

I totally agree 100%

Mayble with the ding a ling dad,remember he worked the third shift. 

I seriously doubt if there is 100,000...be serious, :)

::rhino::

Megyn announced a press conference by the Jackson County prosecutor about Baby Lisa, I think she was incorrect and it is about Bishop Finn instead http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/Bishop-Finn-indicted-by-Jackson-Co.-grand-jury (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/Bishop-Finn-indicted-by-Jackson-Co.-grand-jury)

Someone suggested he worked or has worked for Starbucks.

Anyone who thinks the money might come from them? I mean, who can afford $100,000?

He said it was someone familiar with the family.

Why not offer a hefty award if a deceased Baby Lisa is found?  Isn't she important to find in any shape or form?

Those boobs are only offering the money for a live baby, because they know it won't happen. IMO

God bless you baby Lisa, she did not ask to be born in half baked family. IMO

•To wrap it up, Bill Stanton says $100,000 is being offered in the missing baby Lisa case
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/14/2011 6:16:06 PM 1:16 PM

•The live stream has ended
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/14/2011 6:15:45 PM 1:15 PM

•Stanton announces $100,000 reward for safe return of baby Lisa or conviction of person involved in abduction
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/14/2011 6:07:46 PM 1:07 PM

•Stanton talking about the "wealthy benefactor" who hired him to go to Kansas City to help
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/14/2011 6:06:40 PM 1:06 PM

•Stanton says he has a doctor who works in threat assessments who will be helping him, Dr. Marisa Randazzo
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/14/2011 6:05:19 PM 1:05 PM

•To help in the search
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/14/2011 6:05:01 PM 1:05 PM

•Stanton talking about a team he's assembling
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/14/2011 6:04:57 PM 1:04 PM

•Stanton: "I have connections with friends and people, a consortium."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/14/2011 6:04:12 PM 1:04 PM

•Stanton: "If I get anything of value, it will go from me to the police."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/14/2011 6:03:34 PM 1:03 PM

•Stanton: "My attitude is, all hands on deck in hoping we find this child, but hands off when it comes to interfering with police"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/14/2011 6:03:25 PM 1:03 PM

•Stanton: "They said the priority is the child"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/14/2011 6:02:55 PM 1:02 PM

•Stanton: "They reached out to me, I know these people, they called me and they said get out there and help"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/14/2011 6:02:48 PM 1:02 PM

•Stanton: "There is a benefactor who contacted me because there is a relationship with the family"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/14/2011 6:02:37 PM 1:02 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1amcYN52G

I wish I knew.....

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/14/geraldo-on-search-for-baby-lisa-irwin-%e2%80%9cit%e2%80%99s-virtually-impossible-this-is-not-an-inside-job%e2%80%9d/
2:40 pm ET October 14, 2011
Geraldo on Search for Baby Lisa Irwin: “It’s Virtually Impossible This Is Not an Inside Job”

Thank-you for your time and patience CW618.  I will try the techinque Monday  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29486176/detail.html
$100,000 Reward Offered In Missing Baby Case
Stay With KMBC.com For Baby Lisa Updates
POSTED: 1:10 pm CDT October 14, 2011
UPDATED: 1:34 pm CDT October 14, 2011
 ::snipping2::
Private investigator Bill Stanton said the $100,000 reward would also be given out in the event of a conviction in this case.

Stanton made the announcement during a 1 p.m. news conference in front of Lisa Irwin's Kansas City home.

In addition to announcing the reward, Stanton said he was assembling a team to help find baby Lisa. Stanton said one of the members of the team was Dr. Marisa Randazo, an expert on threat assessment and targeted violence according to the website, CampusThreatAssessment.org.

The news conference lasted approximately 15 minutes. Stanton gave little additional information about who brought him to Kansas City, other than to say it was a female benefactor.

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29486176/detail.html#ixzz1amfdOc3e

Must be lawyered up, Itaryl, the parent's are covering their big cabooses.  This is all a BS stunt, shame on all of them. IMO

Damn computer!!! It misspells all the words.

Anyway, the news says that the reward applies for Lisa's safe return, or for information leading to the conviction of those responsible for her disappearance.

So, if Lisa is not returned alive there is no reward, and if those who took her are not convicted, there is no reward.

I see no sense of urgency on part of Mr. Stanton. It took two days to speak one hour in person with the parents, and one whole day to say ten words on the mic.

Here's to answered prayers... that this baby is found safe, soon, and that the circus that this case has become is ended.

 ::rhino:: me too!

Thank-you for the link Trimm.

Why do I get a feeling that Bozo will be involved in this case? 

Is Bozo on that island?  I bet will see "Topo Gigio" face, sooner or later. IMO