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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/17/us-baby-missing-idUSTRE79F06D20111017
Mother admits she was drunk when baby vanished
By Kevin Murphy
KANSAS CITY, Mo | Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:06pm EDT
(Reuters) - The mother of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin said she was drunk and may have blacked out the night of the baby's disappearance and has changed her story on what time she last saw her daughter.
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Thank you for the new thread  Klaas!  ::bee::

WOW Deborah said JUST What Casey said in the Part 3 interview
 
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“I [told them] I have no idea where my daughter is. If I knew where she is, she’d be with me.”



http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/17/part-three-mother-of-lisa-irwin-denies-killing-or-selling-her-baby-tells-megyn-kelly-which-questions-caused-her-to-fail-polygraph-test/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FoxNewsInsider+%28Fox+News+Insider%29

Headline News is saying that police have videotape of Jeremy working at Starbucks all night and that's why they didn't even ask him to take a polygraph.

seahorse, I have no idea why the FBI doesn't want photographers taking pictures of the bags of evidence.

Did Megyn Kelly just say that Deborah said she drinks like that almost every night?  I thought I heard that earlier but I'm not positive.  Did anyone else hear that?

Kimberly Guilfoyle Newsome is on with Megyn Kelly.  Kimberly just mentioned that the prescription is xanax.

Also, they couldn't use the cell phones because they weren't working because they hadn't paid the bill.

Kimberly is going to do a show at 5:00 on Fox (same station) on this case.

We're finding out a lot today and she reminds me of Casey Anthony also.

Oh no.

"“I [told them] I have no idea where my daughter is. If I knew where she is, she’d be with me.”"

Who does that remind us of?

*sigh*

Could it be that Lisa was missing prior to 6:40 PM ... the time Debbie claimed she put Lisa to bed.  A 6:40 PM bedtime seem earlier for a 10/11 month old.  IMO

Did the neighbour actually see Lisa?

Could it be that "drinking with the neighbour" was an attempt to provide an alibi up until 10:30 PM ... up until the time Debbie went to bed?

Why was Jeremy not given a polygraph?  Could possess knowledge.  Could he have had involvement prior to his departure for work?  Could Debbie be covering for Jeremy?

Janet

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THE NEIGHBOUR

Deborah Bradley Describes the Night Baby Lisa Went Missing
By Jeff Truesdell
Monday October 17, 2011 06:30 AM EDT

On the night her 10-month-old daughter disappeared, Lisa Irwin's mother drank enough wine at home while relaxing with a neighbor that she has no recollection of whether or not she checked on her daughter or turned off the house lights before she went to bed.

Did the alcohol cause her to black out? "It's a possibility," Deborah Bradley tells PEOPLE.

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With Irwin, an electrician, working late on the after-hours remodel of a Starbucks, Bradley settled down at home for dinner and drinking with a neighbor. She put Lisa down in her room around 6:40 p.m., she says. Only once more soon afterward did she check on Lisa, finding her standing in her crib before tucking her back in.

Then, as the other children of the two next-door-neighbor moms watched a movie inside, Bradley tapped the box of wine that she'd bought earlier that evening, and she and her friend spent much of the evening chatting outside on the front stoop.

"I had several glasses of wine," Bradley told PEOPLE. More than five? "Probably." Asked if she was concerned she might be drunk with her infant daughter inside, Bradley replied, "She was sleeping. I don't have a problem with me having adult time."

Her friend left for home about 10:30 p.m., and later told Bradley that she saw the lights in the house go dark. But Bradley herself can't say if she turned off those lights, or whether they may have been flipped on by an intruder whom she believes entered her home through the open front window and took her child.

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http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20537543,00.html

Anyone know what network, if any, will be covering the press conference live?

The family of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin is expected to talk to the media at 2:30 p.m.
by Karen Yancey edited by Karen Yancey 2:08 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1b4GBoJpZ

MontyDavisKC Monty Davis   http://twitter.com/#!/MontyDavisKC (http://twitter.com/#!/MontyDavisKC)
twitgoo.com/4r2fc7 (http://twitgoo.com/4r2fc7) Waiting with national and local media for #lisairwin family to speak. #kcnews
6 minutes ago
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Was Jeremy working as an electrician at Starbucks?

I have a BIG problem with her not letting LE interview the boys... How does she KNOW they have nothing to add?   How does she know that the LE/FBI might not mention something that may jog their memories as to the events of that night?

Or is she afraid of what they might remember or say????????

Agreed!

Live on HLN. Cameras and journalists are awaiting Irwin and Bradley.

I agree too.
I have a problem, I compare this case and did totmom to how Laci's mother reacted every time she was interviewed.  You could see she was VERY distraught every time.
I just hope the baby is found period..
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

::rhino::
http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.html?id=5519133&sponsor=
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The baby's father said he realized she was missing after returning from working the overnight shift at his job with an electrical company, reportedly working on renovations of a local Starbucks coffee house. He said the front door to the house was unlocked and a window had been tampered with.
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I hear he was working at a newly remolded starbucks or a new construction. it was in a news report. I heard he also had A work Van and a work cellphone

OMG Joe Tacopina  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Stanton talking..  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Oh my goodness. DB has on a "Find Lisa" t-shirt. She must have followed the Anthony trial.

ITA.  Why not?  If my baby was missing, I'd let LE do anything they asked of me.  Isn't it worth having the boys re-interviewed if it could possibly help find Lisa?  This is very suspicious IMO.

Also, Deborah said in the interview "I don't think alcohol changes a person enough to do something like that."

How would she know when she just admitted that she was drunk, that she blacked out and couldn't even if she turned out the lights.  She said the neighbors told her she turned out the lights.  What contradictions.  I think she's lying her face off. 

Does anyone know if you can even refuse to allow your children to be interviewed by police?

KrisKetz Kris Ketz
#LisaIrwin. Stanton leaving town. Still involved in case. Presenting NY Attorney to rep family. $100,000 reward is "valid. It is real." #fb
49 seconds ago  http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)

Taco sounds like mumbles and Bozo.

Joe Tacopino - DEFENDER OF MONSTERS including Joran van der Sloot
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KrisKetz Kris Ketz
#LisaIrwin. Attorney Joe Tacopina rep family during investigative process. "The truth will come out.". Has also secured local counsel.
1 minute ago http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)

"Tacopina: "I would not be representing these individuals if I thought they were involved""

And, everyone in jail is innocent, too.

Now the circus is complete, people!

Good grief, all this circus of lies needs now is for Jerry Rivers to show up.  Tacohead saying Lisa needs to be found, all he needs to do is have his client tell the truth.

Tacopina: "I'm not here to critique the police investigation...that being said, I am a little disappointed with hearing some of the things I heard."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 2:44 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1b4PKPJJF

I personally hate commercials.

Tacopina: "In my mind there's no question Lisa's parents had to do with the disappearance of this baby girl"

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1b4PmICQj


Yeah well in Tacopina's mind Joran van der Sloot is a good kid ::MonkeyNoNo::

JI made a face when Tacopina, said he knows she is alive.  It my opinion, LB, died before he went to verk.

KrisKetz Kris Ketz
RT @YaelTAbouhalkah: Joe Tacopina, of course, can't buy national media exposure like this.
1 minute ago http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)

All we need now is KC to show up as a "family advocate". That would make this circus complete. Blech!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Ted Bundy was a good son, according, to his mother.

KrisKetz Kris Ketz
#LisaIrwin Attorney Joe Tacopina based on what he's heard thinks arrest of Mom is possible but "can't see that happening."
55 seconds ago http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)

And more commercials.

Jeremy works for All Current Electric and he was working at Starbucks

KrisKetz Kris Ketz
RT @VinniePolitan: JOE TACOPINA ...joran van der sloot's atty... Now representing Baby Lisa's parents.
2 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)

Thanks

KrisKetz Kris Ketz
#LisaIrwin Tacopina: asked to explain Mom inconsistencies in what time she saw Lisa @FoxNews "has nothing to do with what happened."
1 minute ago http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)

I know hate is a strong word but I hate Joe Tacopina  ::MonkeyCool::

I thought the family was going to speak.

Someone here recognized Tacopina in the crowd this morning, I think it was Trimm. Good eye!

I bet a nickel that sinsin and ole Geo are watching. Kinda puts them on the burner way in the back of the stove. ::MonkeyJnBox::

What kind of a mother gets drunk while watching her baby

what kind of a mother gets drunk while watching her baby who is sick

what kind of a mother gets drunk while watching her baby who is sick & then LIES to police about it to make herself look good instead of helping with the investigation

AND lies about the times?  That is huge huge huge.  That may open up a whole new angle.

I hope they do arrest this woman.  She's a disgrace to all mothers

I think he's earned the moniker.

KrisKetz Kris Ketz
#LisaIrwin Tacopina says parents "have nothing to hide."
1 minute ago http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)

Jeremy party guy?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1068231883228&set=a.1006248093672.591.1749000701&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1068232403241&set=a.1006248093672.591.1749000701&type=3&theater

brother Phil in Jeremy's basement:
http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/78/998aefd12800d97c423d9fac8abab302/l.jpg
http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/17/a7f5454a20b3ab288ee588776395e5cf/l.jpg

Attorney is taking over, no more interviews, pulling back

I was imagining them pulling up with a rolling billboard..........

Not a tear, no emotion of any kind from DB. Just like Casey. Same MO.

I'm on the floor. ::MonkeyHaHa::

YaelTAbouhalkah Yael T. Abouhalkah
by KrisKetz
Joe Tacopina defends shutting out local media: National media get the story elsewhere. Nonsensical, I know.
3 minutes ago
Kris Ketz
KrisKetz Kris Ketz
#LisaIrwin Tacopina asked about why no local media access "there is not going to be anymore interviews" for now.
3 minutes ago  http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)

Right there with you on the hate.  He is going to be surprised to discover that KC is not Satsuma or Aruba. 

I kinda think Jeremy's acting strangely, too. I realize we can't convict on that. But it does make me step back and go, "hummmm."

The devils' advocate
Joe Tacopina defends the indefensible

By BRAD HAMILTON
Joe Tacopina could be the most hated lawyer in New York.

After securing an improbable acquittal in the rape case against ex-NYPD Officer Kenneth Moreno, following unlikely triumphs for accused cop-killer Lillo Brancato and alleged girlfriend-bashing pol Hiram Monserrate, the dapper smooth talker is facing a new round of barbs.

"I can't stand him," said one prosecutor, pointing out that Tacopina also sprung Natalee Holloway suspect Joran van der Sloot and Thomas Wiese, an Abner Louima cop.

"He's slick, he's got a big ego, and he'll represent any scumbag."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/the_devils_advocate_j4ywLTM11sbdWHvkn0KmgL#ixzz1b4ShBHuy

Isn't it interesting how some of these same people come crawling outta the woodwork?  Anything for fame or to make a buck.  JMHO

Now the defense will start attacking the police work.


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

YaelTAbouhalkah Yael T. Abouhalkah
by KrisKetz
Just gotta know the savvy New York investigator and smooth-talking lawyer think they're dealing with KC bumpkins.
4 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)

KrisKetz Kris Ketz
#LisaIrwin Tacopina: thinks focus on Mom has taken away from search for Lisa. People are "gonna be surprised" in the end.
55 seconds ago http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)

Huh?????

as long as they are high profile & he'll get lots of attention or they have money  - so your regular low level scum gang member or bad guy wouldn't get his help

A full bar in the basement; just what every alcoholic needs.

let me guess she drowned in the pool

an alcoholic

 ::rhino::

KrisKetz Kris Ketz
#LisaIrwin Tacopina: won't allow questions of parents at this "event" after recent interviews @GMA @todayshow @FoxNews @peoplemag
1 minute ago http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)

oh I hope they don't play the "she has a disease and can't help what she did to the baby".  No offense to alcoholics because I went through a dark patch many years ago and abused alcohol.

By Mary Waldron

If you turn on Court TV, you might see him conferring with his latest client, Melanie McGuire, the fertility nurse who allegedly killed her husband. Or if you tune in to CNN, you might hear about the latest developments in his case involving Harry Houdini's mysterious death and recent exhumation. This guy doesn't make $750 per hour for nothing.

Now, Joseph Tacopina is not some veteran lawyer with a 30-plus year career behind him; in fact, he is barely 40 years old. Do not be fooled, however, by Tacopina's finesse in the courtroom—he took a heck of a ride getting there. Today, with his two firms, Tacopina & Seigel and Tacopina & Arnold, and more than 80 cases under his belt, Tacopina is on a roll.

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''I don't worry about what people say,'' Joseph Tacopina said. ''I take cases that people say I can't win, and I win them.''... ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.lawcrossing.com/article/2841/The-Rocky-Balboa-of-Criminal-Defense-Law-Joseph-Tacopina/

Lacette says the family felt "most comfortable" with Tacopina
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 3:08 PM

Lacette explaining why they hired Joe Tacopina
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 3:08 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1b4VNROrC


Mike Lacette, Deborah's cousin, has approached the podium
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 3:08 PM

Tacopina says Jeremy and Deborah have been very cooperative with police, allowing two new searches today
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 3:06 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1b4VHpmxV

Hi all!! Thanks for the udates!
I just saw JoJo, Baez lite 2.0... at the newconference and had to drop in. Another circus, another town... makes me so sad

Are the family members searching?

right it took me an extra 2yr for my ba BC of alcohol
i got links for maps to see the creeks around the parents and DB parents or who ever live at
walrond give me a sec

NY Post: Joe Tacopina could be the most hated in New York...article: www.nypost.com (http://www.nypost.com)
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 3:11 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1b4WBvW65

What is this press conference doing to actually help find Lisa, to solve this mystery.  Absolutely nothing, this is simply huge amounts of advertising $$ to feed this scumbag's ego. 

waterways near homes,zoom each letter for a closer view

creek 2 blocks E & W of lisa home
A-H,B-W,C-E
http://tinyurl.com/3m6usqs

2 creeks near DB parents home is
D
http://tinyurl.com/3lyx9lo

KrisKetz Kris Ketz
RT @Sam_Hartle: For those keeping track, we're now at about 40 minutes in to this "event."
1 minute ago
The Pitch Plog
pitchplog The Pitch Plog
by KrisKetz
"He's slick, he's got a big ego, and he'll represent any scumbag," an unnamed prosecutor in Post story says of Tacopina #LisaIrwin
4 minutes ago  http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)

When was the last time that ANYONE other than Debbie and Jeremy saw baby Lisa prior to her disappearance?

Now that Joe Tacopina has entered the scenario ... Jeremy not submitting to a polygraph is a given.  Investigators should have requested one when they had the chance.

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Criminal defense attorney Joe Tacopina will represent Irwin family
Posted: 9:46 AM
Last Updated: 1 minute ago

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Monday-afternoon news conference was held by the family of Lisa Irwin to announce the hiring of a New York-based criminal defense attorney in the investigation into the disappearance of the now-11-month-old girl.

Lisa, who will turn 1 year old on Nov. 11, has not been seen since Monday, Oct. 3. Her parents initially said her mother, Deborah Bradley, put her to bed around 10:30 p.m., but NBC News reported Monday they are now saying she put Lisa to bed closer to 6:30 p.m.

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http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/lisa-irwin-family-to-hold-230-pm-news-conference

Joe Tacopina is a terrible speaker

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Family introduces Joe Tacopina as their new attorney
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 3:14 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1b4XX1GH5

I guess this is the way things are done.

It would've served us all better if the family had come to the podium and said, "we hired Mr. Tacopina as our lawyer."

The family attorney's reassurances that the parents are innocent, have been disseminated to the wind.

... not that everyone will change their minds about the facts, just because their attorney says so.

 

 :smt078

Wow....seeing TacoBelle on my screen makes me want to withdraw from following
this case.  Of course, it is not Lisa's fault that someone chose him.  I grabbed the clicker
and hit the mute button....just like during the NAH case.  I guess that is what one does
when a TV personality nauseates you.

Hello Monkeys.... ::MonkeyBike::

He is going to be shocked that he won't be able to browbeat local authorities into "respecting" him. 

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29510125/detail.html?treets=kc1&tid=2659121707813&tml=kc1_break&tmi=kc1_break_1_03210110172011&ts=H
NY Attorney Now Representing Irwin Family
11-Month-Old Lisa Irwin Reported Missing Oct. 4
POSTED: 2:46 pm CDT October 17, 2011
UPDATED: 3:25 pm CDT October 17, 2011

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29510125/detail.html#ixzz1b4b357Nt

yep and the facts are blurring more and more by the minute

KCTVPhotog_Rob Rob Rhodes
FBI searchers just headed back to the Creek south and west of #LisaIrwin home. They had taken a water/rest break.
23 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/KCTVPhotog_Rob (http://twitter.com/#!/KCTVPhotog_Rob)

I noticed also when one of the attorneys said something along the lines of "the family having something to do with this", DB reacted by sort of a defiant rolling of the eyes look and then looking down like she was peed. Her whole demeanor was defiant in that interview, imo. AND all of the sudden Mom and Dad are holding hands.....what a show  ::MonkeyMad::

Something to think about though very difficult. A friend of mine in LE posed a question to me. He said put your self in DB's shoes. Pretend you were drinking, then decided to bathe your baby and somehow in your drunken stupor, forgot about the baby and she drowned. This is a baby you love dearly and before now have taken very good care of. (Now most of us would of called 911 immediately at this point) My friend went on, okay you freak out, you are selfish, you are immature and do not want to lose your husband and kids. So you decide that you are going to pretend there was an abduction and dispose of this baby who you love dearly. In this state of mind, would you bury your child? Would you place your baby in a lake/river? Would you burn the body of your baby? Would you place the baby in a place where you can go to later (secretly) to mourn the loss of your baby? Would it be a random location of some place you are familiar with?
I just looked at my friend, speechless. I told him that a nauseous feeling came over me just thinking about something like that. The only thing I could answer really is that logically it would be somewhere familiar to me. I know I wouldn't burn the body because that really freaks me out. I also ventured to say that I would most likely place the body in a grave that I could go back to and mourn. And for the record, I would have called 911 as I know most people would have.

So, any thoughts on how, if guilty (DB), would dispose of this child she adored but because of her negligence is now deceased? Does LE believe she buried this child somewhere close?

I am just sick over this.   Once again, the innocent gets lost in the circus.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: Where are you Lisa?  ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyTears::

KrisKetz Kris Ketz
@
@vivid13 ...fairly certain money is coming from outside the family/Kansas City.
1 minute ago
Kris Ketz
KrisKetz Kris Ketz
#LisaIrwin. Local story that stopped being local about 12 days ago. Compelling story driven by cable/network am TV. No end in sight.
2 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)

http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/joe-tacopinas-bizarre-baby-lisa-irwin-appearance/
kansascity.com
1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Joe Tacopina's bizarre baby Lisa Irwin appearance

Read more: http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/joe-tacopinas-bizarre-baby-lisa-irwin-appearance/#ixzz1b4e3v1XS

Wow..cartfly, that whole scenario is so logical, thanks for sharing that.. I have been holding off on forming my opinion on the parents, just sitting back watching, listening.
I am asking myself, is it more likely than not that it is a family member than a stranger....
poor baby....

cartfly - I have had the same thoughts about what may have happened to Lisa.  Perhaps she put the baby in her bed with her and smothered her.  Perhaps she went to pick her up and dropped her. 

I have seen  children who only by the Grace of God have survived childhood because of parents behaviors.  The parents see nothing wrong with driving with kids after they have had a few drinks - nothing has happened before has it?  Obviously DB saw nothing wrong with drinking herself to the point of possibly blacking out - I would imagine she has done it before and nothing happened.  Well, this time it was different - something did happen.   What happened?  Why the inconsistancies? Why the high profile lawyer?  Taking a cue from the Anthony playbook?  They certainly won't tell now...

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She said that baby Lisa was ill --- I wonder if she gave her some of that alcohol as medicine to get the baby to sleep. I remember people use to do that with babies in the old days. The baby might have died from it and she panicked.

Yep, Joe Taco defends only the cream of the crop.  Anybody remember Joran VanderSloot? :smt078

May God help and guide those looking for baby Lisa; her parents sure aren't going to.   

I agree 100%. Did they have an animal they recently buried?

KCTVPhotog_Rob Rob Rhodes
FBI searchers call it a day. Finished with creek search just south and west of #LisaIrwin home.
1 minute ago http://twitter.com/#!/KCTVPhotog_Rob (http://twitter.com/#!/KCTVPhotog_Rob)

you know i dont mind the taxes money spent on finding the lost/murdered children. but what
i do mind is the perp not doing an extra 2=5 yr per 100k$ spent, way to many child deaths.being
covered up for whatever reason,and the perps think ok maybe ill get away with it

BS your crime by law says 5-10 yr + 2yr per 100k = 400k$=8yr flat + 5-10 yr

if i keep having to spend extra tax$ to look for the child death you caused/covered up
you shall pay extra too

i got to go im getting Ped,too many babies in the last month, or so that have to be looked for
and the last person to see the child was the parent

I always post this with each high profile missing person case...it has all of the latest news listed by hour. 

http://interceder.net/topic/lisa-irwin

The other day I was remembering how you said you met Mr. Veggie for the first time.......a relationship that has lasted. In spite of him tearing up the pond I like the man! Heh heh.

one has to wonder why these parents would hire a CRIMINAL ATTORNEY???

Investigators must be closing in..........

Missing baby Lisa's family hires Van der Sloot attorney

Part of today press conference.. Video

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15714115/missing-babys-family-hires-van-der-sloot-attorney

Police have investigated 550 tips in the #LisaIrwin case and are still looking for the one that will lead to #BabyLisa. 816-474-TIPS
by kcpolice via twitter 4:27 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1b4q79xTC

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-wild-bill-steps-down-hotshot-defense-attorney-steps-in-20111017,0,4340748.story?track=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wdaf-news+%28FOX4KC+Local+News
Baby Lisa Case: 'Wild' Bill Steps Down, Hot-Shot Defense Attorney Steps In
Sarah Clark Interactive Content Producer - Like her on Facebook
4:32 p.m. CDT, October 17, 2011
Video at link.

I need a stronger word when it comes to him.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

 ::MonkeyCool::

When "Veggie" assured me that my friend "Kermit" could use the guest room now that a pipe was layed and the pond on our property was filled in ... all was forgiven.  However ... my friend "Kermit" has yet to visit the Fraser Valley of British Coumbia ... God's country.

Janet

Tacopina probably contacted them after hearing Debbie's changing timeline regarding what time baby Lisa was put to bed ... regarding the admission of being drunk and possible passing out.

Tacopina realizes that the big bucks that are forthcoming from different avenues when defending clients of high profile cases.

IMO

Janet

To me, this says it all:


HER:  Believe me!  Believe what I say!!

HIM:  I don't know what to believe.

Why is he so stone faced?  Could it be that he's thinking?  Consider this: when you're not thinking, then you're going to be showing another emotion on your face.  He looks to be thinking, constantly reconsidering the story DB told him.  Take the 30 minutes that passed before they called the police...perhaps DB spent all that time convincing him of her story.  And he's still not sure about whether he believes her or not.  That sure would explain his face.

Good theory.  Why do people drink?  Mostly to relax.  Can you relax with a sick, crying baby?  No.  That would be a buzz kill.  And being drunk would make a sick, crying baby even more annoying.  It's a good possibility that she shook the baby out of frustration.  Shook her way too hard.  And who knows what else.  She didn't want to call police because she had been drinking.  She'd be held accountable for sure.  So, she made up the crazy kidnapping story.  This is just my opinion BTW.

Is it just me...the baby daddy looks very concerned and like he understands and feels the full weight of this..the baby mamma looks like she is surpressing a big ole smile...she doesn't look concerned, no furrowed forehead, no distraught facial expression..just like she is about to break out and smile but is holding this in..I think the little witch is enjoying this..

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/17/full-interview-megyn-kelly-presses-parents-of-baby-lisa-irwin-on-disappearance-asks-if-they-sold-or-killed-their-daughter/
1:27 pm ET October 17, 2011
FULL INTERVIEW: Megyn Kelly Presses Parents of Baby Lisa Irwin on Disappearance, Asks If They ‘Sold or Killed’ Their Daughter
by America Live Posted in: America Live, Baby Lisa, Deborah Bradley, Deborah Irwin, Jeremy Irwin, Megyn Kelly, Missing Baby, Missing Missouri Baby   

Could it be that whatever happened to little Lisa happened prior to Jeremy leaving for work.  In other words ... everything that allegedly happened following his departure was a fabrication collaborated to establish alibis?

Think about it.  Debbie was allegedly drunk when the neighbor left at approximately 10:30 PM.  The timeframe prior to Jeremy's return would not have allowed for Debbie's thought process to disappear the cell phones and baby Lisa following the demise of baby Lisa.  IMO

Janet

My thoughts are baby mama is guilty..and baby daddy didn't know anything about this ..and as the story changes and baby mamma can not keep it straight he is trying to support her but is losing faith in her and what she is saying.

Got to admit it is a convenient excuse, I got drunk with the neighbor lady and then I don't know what ahppened until my husband woke me up when he got home from work and the baby was missing. 

Only an alcoholic could come up with a story like that....I think it is possible she either harmed the baby not meaning to or the baby climbed out of the crib and landed on it's head and neck and with no one in the house..she was on the porch..the boys were watching DVD's ..then no one heard anything.  She came in found the baby dead and had ample time between 10:30 and 3:30 to hid what had happened and disappear the baby.  She didn't want anyone to think she was not attentive to the baby but that's all changed now..now it has become her excuse..people understand things happen ..you can't be with a child every minute..however you can remain sober enough and vigilant enough to atleast handle an emergency when it comes up...she didn't..she thought everyone would believe that her daughter was kidnapped, particularily after you add the homeless person.

 It's just to pat...I was drunk...I don't know anything...no way lady.  You should have stayed sober and when you didn't if you found your baby dead you should have called 911..if you accidentally harmed her..you should have called 911.  Shades of the A family..get that dysfunction out there immediately so everyone can comprehend the incomprehensible. 

 ::MonkeyMad::

Good evening Monkey's,

I am curious the items removed from the neighbor's house, today  ::MonkeyEek::

LE asked the media NOT to photograph the items.  Thinking back to Casey's neighbor, remember?

We remember was removed from the neighbor, who lived up from Casey.  Why the big deal keeping it secret?

He has that "death stare" in his eyes, IMO.  The same stare Misty had when she was inviewed. IMO

So this new lawyer, Joe Tacopants, why is he so hated?  I mean, other than the fact that he represented Van der Sloot?  <---- Did I spell that right?  (It's been awhile since I've seen that name.)

And another question:  How and when was DB's time frame changed from 10:30ish to 6:30ish?  When/where did she divulge this info and what was her explaination, if any?  TIA to any clever monkey who can shed some light on this.   ::HelloKitty::

 ::snipping2::

I agree.  His lack of any emotion is very odd.  If he truly believed the baby was kidnapped wouldn't he show more anger, sadness or desperation?  I know people grieve and deal with things differently, but his poker face makes me scratch my head.



I was thinking that they don't want the general public to see the items because they offer a clue as to where the investigation is headed.  But then I thought, "So what?"  So perhaps it's the parents who they don't want to see this evidence.  They want to keep it secret so that the parents are unaware of any new findings.

Baby Lisa’s Parents Now Represented by Former Van Der Sloot Attorney
October 17th, 2011

An attorney representing the parents of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin told reporters Monday that he is confident they will not be arrested in the case.

“Anything’s possible…but for the life of me, I can’t see that happening,” attorney Joe Tacopina said at an afternoon press conference with Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley standing behind him.

Tacopina, a New York-based defense attorney who once represented Joran van der Sloot, made the statement hours after NBC aired an interview with the couple in which Bradley said she was afraid she would be arrested for her daughter’s disappearance because she was the last person to see her.

Lisa Irwin has been missing for nearly two weeks, since her mother said she put her to bed in her crib in their Kansas City home around 6:40 pm on October 3. Lisa was gone when her father got home from work at 4:00 am on October 4.

While Tacopina insisted he did not want to critique the police investigation of Lisa’s disappearance, he said he was disappointed by some of the accusations “members of law enforcement” have made during questioning of the parents that he called “a little insensitive.” He declined to specify exactly what was said, but Bradley has stated in media interviews that detectives directly accused of her of harming Lisa.

Tacopina also pointed to the discovery of diapers in an abandoned house a few blocks from the Irwin home over the weekend, saying he wished things like that could have been found sooner. Kansas City police Capt. Steve Young told reporters Saturday that it did not appear that the diapers had any connection to this case.

Tacopina added that he was concerned the focus on the parents may have taken resources away from other aspects of the investigation. He praised the governor of Missouri for sending National Guard troops to assist with the search for Lisa on Sunday.

Although he repeatedly stated that Bradley and Irwin “have nothing to hide,” Tacopina said they would not be giving any more media interviews at this time and he did not let them answer any questions during the press conference.

NBC’s “Today Show” had reported Monday morning that the couple would not allow their other two children to be re-interviewed by police, but Tacopina said he was not closing the door to any options. As evidence of the parents’ cooperation with authorities, he pointed out that they had signed consent forms earlier in the day allowing additional searches of their home and of the relative’s house where they have been staying.

He urged the public to stay focused on Lisa and expressed optimism that she is alive. He also explained that he only agreed to represent Bradley and Irwin because he was certain that they were innocent.

“In my mind, there’s no question that Deborah, and Jeremy for that matter, had absolutely nothing to do with the disappearance of this baby girl,” Tacopina said.

<snipped>

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/17/baby-lisa%E2%80%99s-parents-now-represented-by-former-van-der-sloot-attorney/?hpt=ng_mid

.............hopefully one day
I'll even bring my mom's shoefly pie

parrain de la Mafia

to protect the evidence for trial maybe

danielabrams Dan Abrams
Heading to @nightline to do a piece tonight on #babylisa.
51 minutes ago https://twitter.com/#!/danielabrams (https://twitter.com/#!/danielabrams)

I agree.

I do not believe that Jeremy would be standing by Debbie considering the changing timeline and the drinking until drunk with young children under her care IF he was not a participant in the happenings encompassing the disappearance his daughter.

I could be wrong but ... for now I speculate that something bad happened to baby Lisa at some period in time PRIOR to Jeremy leaving for his FIRST night shift and then arriving home early to discover his daughter missing.  Somethng is hinky.

Inquiring minds want to know why was Jeremy required in the past to take parenting classes?

Inquiring minds want to know when was the last time ANYONE besides Jeremy and Debbie saw baby Lisa?

Janet

Janet

Aurelia, good thinking.  The G.J. is meeting tomorrow (or this week). LE may wish to keep the items quiet for evidence, also "Taco" may have been hovering, before the news conference.

The secretive items, ceased, were not to keep them from public view, but from the parents and Taco's knowledge :) 
Good thinking!  I agrree, I forgot about Taco ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::rhino::

more here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4838.msg998640#msg998640
ARUBA - PROTECTING THE HEROIN AND MONEY LAUNDERING RACKET

Their precious baby daughter is missing but Debbie and Jeremy will not allow investigators to question the older siblings.  Why?

Would the words of these two boys who are old enough to reveal the happenings in the home encompassing the disappearance of their sister as well as the related timeline compromise the statements of both parents?

Janet

++++

Baby Lisa’s Parents Now Represented by Former Van Der Sloot Attorney
October 17th, 2011

<snipped

NBC’s “Today Show” had reported Monday morning that the couple would not allow their other two children to be re-interviewed by police, but Tacopina said he was not closing the door to any options.

<snipped>

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/17/baby-lisa%E2%80%99s-parents-now-represented-by-former-van-der-sloot-attorney/?hpt=ng_mid

Evil personified.  IMO

Janet

Kermit, I'm confused.  You mentioned Paulus turned down an offer from Rizzo, Philadelphia attorney.  Who is Rizzo and who did he represent?

Sorry, never mind.  Chicago P.I. Rizzo.

Deborah said today that she put Lisa to bed around 6:40 and went to bed.  She also said Jeremy had to wake her after he got home from work at 4:00 a.m.  That's well over 9 hours she's saying she slept.

Any skilled graphics monkeys care to add a "face" to this TACO? (tee hee)


 http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff400/smonkjustice/Lisa%20Irwin/taco.jpg (http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff400/smonkjustice/Lisa%20Irwin/taco.jpg)

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff400/smonkjustice/Lisa%20Irwin/taco.jpg)

IIRC ... Debbie claimed on the TODAY SHOW that after she put baby Lisa to bed at 6:40 she drank wine with a neighbor until 10:30 PM and then went to bed.  She cannot remember if she checked on Lisa prior to retiring/passing out.

Janet

Since she did say (she didn't have to) she was drinking/drunk don't think she had anything to the taking of the baby.

However, I still feel it has to be someone who had been watching her, since she does probably drink a lot.
Hope LE still looks at that last video at the store.  Maybe someone followed them home.  Maybe she was saying at the store, oh my hubby is working a night shift.
She shouldn't of been drinking, but these are the facts we have to deal with.
 ::MonkeyEek::

I have read the posts about her drinking and I got a kooky idea. As an alcoholic, I often would drink until I did not remember what happened. I would have to ask people what happened. (not my proudest moment but was a long time ago). I wonder if this is why she failed the LD. Perhaps she DID do something to the baby but does not consciously remember. Her subconscious would remember though and she would fail any question asked about it.

I am not surprised she does not find her drinking to be a problem - until the bottom smacks you in the face most alcoholics don't realize it.

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6109/6255565217_b7c3ecda6e_o.gif)

Lmao........far out! ::MonkeyHaHa::

BBM

That's a REALLY good point.  Yes, if she drank to excess then she'd have blacked-out and would not be able to remember much.  And even if she just drank to the point of being drunk, her recollection of that evening would still be quite hazy.

Monkeys, I asked earlier but no one responded:  When did she change her timeline from 10:30ish to 6:30ish?  And what was her reasoning?  She forgot?  Or she lied the first time?  Any answer will be appreciated. 

Looking at the dad in this photo and others, IMO he either knows what happened or suspects his wife:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6033/6255607209_1041b5b0fa_b.jpg)

TV interview last night I believe is when she changed the timeline.  It came as a shock to LE.

Thanks, klaas!  As for that pic you just posted, I agree.  He sure does look suspicious of her. 


O/T - I had some time to kill today which allowed me to check out the SM forums a bit more throughly.  And I realized that there are just WAY TOO MANY missing child forums and threads here.  Makes me really sad.  I just don't understand people who harm little children.   ::MonkeyTears::

Interestingly and coincidentally, Kansas City actually has quite a mob past.  Here is a pretty good synopsis of it http://americanmafia.com/Cities/Kansas_City.html (http://americanmafia.com/Cities/Kansas_City.html).  I can't see that it would have anything to do with this case, although they do live in some of the old traditional mob stomping grounds.

::MonkeyBike::
OMG, Thank you so much for Klaas, I love his little dance......I am literally on the floor laughing!  ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree, Lisa is a beautiful baby and if their town is like many (gossip) and it was well known that DB has a drinking problem...someone may have considered taking Lisa away from there a favor to Lisa....and was just waiting for the right time.

That would hopefully mean she's safe somewhere.

I hope something terrible didn't happen and DB covered it up to keep her man and her son.

I just hope they find Lisa no matter what happened, I can't stand the thought of never knowing what happened to her.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa::

There's a hidden undercurrent of s.c.a.r.y. to this case.   The father's expressions are creepy, in my opinion.  Everything is very strange.

I agree, something is wrong.  Someone posted some photos of Jeremy from a facebook album from a couple years ago partying.  Looked like a totally different person.  He looks distant and disturbed now.  I understand their child is missing but he looks like he knows something but it's so bad he can't say it.

Holloway Suspect's Ex-Attorney Agress to Represent Missing Missouri Baby's Parents

 ::snipping2::
Joe Tacopina, who represented the prime suspect in the Natalee Holloway mystery in Aruba, traveled to Kansas City, Mo., on Monday to meet with Lisa's parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, for the first time at the home where they are now staying.

"In my mind, there is no question they had nothing to do with the disappearance of their little girl," Tacopina told reporters. "I'm optimistic and confident at the end of the day the truth will come out and speculation will be put to rest."

Tacopina said he's been in contact with Lisa's parents over the phone since last week.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/17/holloway-suspect-former-attorney-takes-case-missing-missouri-babys-parents/#ixzz1b67Ha4t8

KC mom admits she was drunk on night baby vanished..

 ::snipping2::

Bradley told police she last saw her daughter, Lisa Irwin, when she checked on her at 10:30 p.m. But Monday, she told NBC's "Today" show she actually last saw Lisa when she put her to bed at 6:40 p.m. She gave no explanation for the modified times.

Bradley told Fox News that she got drunk after she put her children to bed that night and may have blacked out. Asked how much she drank that night and whether it was more than five glasses of wine, she responded, "probably." She said she didn't have more than 10 glasses. Bradley said she frequently drinks heavily at home but only after her children are safely in bed. She also said she takes anxiety medication and had taken a dose that day.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/national_world&id=8394592

Hummm All this stuff came out today .. When she had contact by phone with Scumbag Joe
last week!!!!

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44927779/ns/today-today_people/#.Tpzp7ez5l8E  (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44927779/ns/today-today_people/#.Tpzp7ez5l8E)

Baby Lisa’s mom: I was drunk when she vanished

By Scott Stump
TODAY.com contributor
updated 10/17/2011 8:20:39 AM ET

Former district attorney Jeanine Pirro weighed in on Bradley’s inconsistencies on TODAY Monday. Pirro spent the last two weeks in Kansas City and has interviewed the parents at length.

“(Being drunk) would explain why she didn’t hear the baby monitor, she didn’t hear the dog barking,’’ Pirro told TODAY’s Ann Curry. “People were believing her because her story was consistent. Now she comes out with, ‘The last time I saw my baby was at 6:40 and by the way, I was drunk.’ This isn’t the kind of thing that you want to bring out after the fact when time is essential here.’’  ::rhino::

Me: Hey!! Deborah.....the TRUTH does NOT change!!

 ::snipping2::
The night of the child’s disappearance also marked the first time that Irwin worked a night shift as an electrician. He said that when he returned home at 4 a.m., he found the front door unlocked with several lights on and a window screen tampered with. Police have tried to recreate how the baby might have been abducted by an intruder entering through that window.

“Our bedroom is on the exact opposite corner of the house, and (Bradley) sleeps with the fan on high,’’ Irwin said.

“Yeah, they (the intruders) must have been doing it much quieter than police,’’ Bradley added.

Me: DB reminds me of an 8 year trying to conceal that he broke a window so he wouldn't get in trouble.
I wonder when DB when bat sh** crazy as LE was searching an area last week, "flailing her arms and speeding off", was because her daughter was in that area and she knew she was busted......

 ::snipping2::
“They said they heard noises, but I don’t know if that was before they went to sleep or after,’’ Bradley said about her two sons. “I have not sat down and talked to them about it, specifically to not have to put them through anything else.’’
 ::snipping2::

ME: BS, who wouldn't be grilling the other people in the house when your daughter is missing?
She is just covering her a**, all just my opinion. I think Det Young has your number Deborah....

I know that they haven't listed John Tanko as a suspect...I am just adding this in case anything more is said of him and we need to look further.  Here is an arrest of his in New Jersey.

https://www6.state.nj.us/DOC_Inmate/details?x=1060349&n=0

John  Tanko
(https://www6.state.nj.us/DOC_Inmate/photo?id=1060349)
SBI Number:    000425490B
Sentenced as:    Tanko, John
Race:    White
Ethnicity:    N/A
Sex:    Male
Hair Color:    Black
Eye Color:    Brown
Height:    5'6"
Weight:    160 lbs.
Birth Date:    March 19, 1969
Admission Date:    May 26, 1998
Current Facility:    Released from RFSP
Current Max Release Date:    N/A
Current Parole Eligibility Date:    N/A
     
Maximum
Term
1 count of :
2C:17-1*2 Arson-Aggravated /2
   
1 count of :
2C:28-5*3 Tamper/Retaliate With Witness/Informnt/3
   

When I saw Joe Taco on tv today, I thought to myself, "The circus came to town."
He seems to present his mug to defend anyone who is guilty by assumption,
and obvious reasons.

My gut tells me that this is not going to end positive.
Baby Lisa's parents smell like Anthony to me ! ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lawyers-discuss-lisa-irwin-case-20111017,0,7122811.story (http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lawyers-discuss-lisa-irwin-case-20111017,0,7122811.story)

Metro Lawyers Discuss Latest in Lisa Irwin Case

 

The father is flat and unemotional, that does not make sense.  I have such a hard time anymore.  I want to follow the cases, but it almost always ends up so sad.....

I've been reading a long time, Monkeys, but this is my first actual post.  My husband was a police investigator for many years and holds a phD in Criminal Justice and I am dispatcher.  I saw this comment and it piqued my interest.  I remember hubby took a class from Dr. Henry Lee on reading body language years ago.  I also remember him telling me about doing CSI, drug raids and car searches where they would be watching the suspect and as they got "warmer" to wherever the "goodies" were hidden, you could see the person get nervous.  He actually had one one time that started freaking and cussing as they got close to what they were looking for and then would relax if they'd move away.  I've seen this on tapes brought in to dispatch by other officers and in training myself.  He and I both would love to see video of DB's reaction if it's out there.  I haven't been able to find it.  My DH has said this was fishy from the moment he laid eyes on DB and JI.

Welcome Tulips!  I agree with you and your husband, something is definitely not right about Lisa's parents.  Hopefully someone will know where that video.  I'll take a look around and see if I can find it too.

Just thinking out loud here...

It's very suspicious that the parents will no longer let LE interview the boys.  Where's the harm in that?  But DB said that she didn't want to upset them further, or something like that.  Puh-leese.  If there's a chance that the boys heard or saw something, one would think that the parents would want LE to extract possibly crucial information from them.  In light of DB's drinking admission, is she afraid that LE might ask more invasive questions?  Like, "How often does your mommy drink Jesus Juice?" or "When your mommy drinks, does she become mean?"  Furthermore, since she changed the timeline regarding Lisa, that would mean that the boys' timeline could change as well, right?  Initially DB stated that she put Lisa down FIRST around 10:30 pm and a smart Scared Monkey here pointed out that that meant the young boys were put to bed after, which is very late for a school night.  So now, with the time change, what time did the boys go to bed?  Perhaps that's what LE would like to know.  Among many other things.  Sounds like someone has something to hide.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Also, this refusal to let LE question the boys, was it Tacopants idea or DB's?

The older boy, maybe even the younger boy are old enough to help care for Lisa.
Deborah stated she gets drunk a 'couple times' a week.
She also stated when she 'drinks' she goes to bed - even when at family gatherings - she goes to bed and passes out doesn't even bother to say 'goodbye'.

Remembering the above - the night in question Lisa is sick.  Her mother is passed out in bed.  The two boys hear the baby crying and fussing and are worried about her.  They try to help.  Something goes wrong.  Lisa is hurt or dead from a fall from the crib, any number of things the boy(s) might have done while trying to help her. 

Dad comes home and because he isn't the brightest nickle in God's pocket what does he do?  He covers up the problem while Mom is passed out.

Or, the kids finally wake up mom and in her drunken stupor does something to 'get rid of' the evidence of their boys (inadvertent) killing of little Lisa.

:(  Something to think about...

~ fanta

Exactly.  The parents clearly have moved to one side of the fence and embraced the desire for positive public opinion while protecting their own bumbums at the risk of their daughter never being found.  Though Joe wouldn't let the parents speak, he was sure to let the public know they have "allowed" two more searches today.  Really?  Did LE need the parents permission to drain and search the creek or the neighbors home?

Alchy mom wants to party so she forces her little girl down to sleep at an extremely early hour.  Baby wakes up, she's just not tired anymore and wants to play, mom is angry because she's drunk and only wants to sleep and the unthinkable happens. 

Funny thing is no matter how innebriated a person is, when something tragic or scary happens the buzz magically disappears, probably because of the adrenaline rush.  Mom pulls herself together and gets rid of the evidence and makes the house look like it was broken in to so Dad is none the wiser.

IMO, Dad knows, he's just playing along.  Mom's a fast talker.  She can lie and cry at will.   

Too many cases without closure.  I sure hope there is closure for Baby Lisa.

Welcome! 

What interesting information...thanks for sharing!  I hope that you'll contribute more here, especially with your experience and knowledge.

 ::HelloKitty::

Lawyer for Baby Lisa’s family makes a weak case for himself
By MARY SANCHEZ
The Kansas City Star

This is what I been saying... Also the parents had contact by phone to Joe Tacopina since last week!!!!

 ::snipping2::

Tacopina portrayed himself as a protective shield for Lisa’s parents. That’s the same soothing message Stanton gives.

So who was the brainiac who encouraged the mother to appear on the national morning news shows, admitting she was drunk the night her baby disappeared? She also spilled that police had shown her burned clothing and evidence of cellphone pings.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/17/3213686/lawyer-for-baby-lisas-family-makes.html#ixzz1b6cFAYnZ

 ::snipping2::

I just had a disturbing thought:  What if mom purposely gave the baby "extra" cold medicine so that she could party all night?  Or, what if she drunkenly over-medicated the baby?  Horrible scenarios, I know, but anything is possible at this point.

Hi Tulips and WELCOME! I will look around to see if I can find the video. I believe there were tweets also regarding this on the first thread. Again, Welcome and I look forward to reading your post and views.

I want to know what Mother puts her 11 month old to bed at 6:40 and thinks it's OK to go ahead and get drunk? Chances are very good that the baby will wake back up before the "drunk" wears off!   ::MonkeyMad::

Taco is just recycling himself through the high profile parade marchers of shame. I dread having to listen to him again......... 

Where is Lisa???

I agree with your DH, tulip.............. something's really fishy!

WELCOME to Scared Monkeys!! We're glad you're here!   ::MonkeyDance::

Tulips, I found this from the first thread that Trimm and Itaryl had brought over. I hope it helps. This was right before (if I remember right) that LE came out and said the parents were not cooperating anymore and LE were dismantling the command center. There was an interview (which I will keep looking for) where Deborah answers questions about why she was upset that LE was searching a particular area. It may have been on the first Judge Jenine (sp?) interview. I will keep looking.
 Here is one of the links regarding the above story (video at link also):

 http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/06/parents-of-missing-missouri-baby-lisa-irwin-rush-to-police-command-center-is-there-a-new-lead-in-the-case/ (http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/06/parents-of-missing-missouri-baby-lisa-irwin-rush-to-police-command-center-is-there-a-new-lead-in-the-case/)

Taco didn't "sprung* Natalee Holloway suspect Joran van der Sloot" as I recall it. He was never in danger of being held accountable for the death of Natalee. I think we now need a punch Joe T. icon

I think we need a "Taco" emoticon and theme song.... ::MonkeyCool::

ITA, a 10 month old put in bed at 6:40? And the embellishments to the story, like the "stray kitten" and the 3 cell phones.....
And the "holier than thou attitude" DB had regarding getting drunk, as if nothing was wrong with that. I could of gone through the TV when I saw her talking about that. And Dad thinks this is okay too? I say call in CPS, these are negligent parents that think it is okay to get drunk when they are the only adult in the house.
I bet DB is not a "happy drunk" either......jmo ::MonkeyMad::

Here is another Tulips:
 ::snipping2::
Baby Lisa's Parents Get in Heated Discussion with Police

John Pepitone, FOX 4 News - Facebook Sarah Clark, Interactive Content Producer - Facebook

2:33 p.m. CDT, October 6, 2011
KANSAS CITY, Mo.—

FOX 4's John Pepitone describes a heated conversation police had with the baby's parents at the wooded area where police were searching. According to witnesses, the parents, Jeremy Irwin and Debbie Bradley, were seen having an animated discussion with police before speeding off in their car.

Police told Pepitone they believe the parents' emotional exchange was in response to investigators returning to the woods to search for the third time.

Watch the video to hear Pepitone's account of what happened.
 ::snipping2::

 http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-parents-have-heated-discussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story (http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-parents-have-heated-discussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story)

P.S. MUFFYBEE has been moving video links/who's who etc to the subtopics of this topic. You can find allot of interesting early information there as well. (Hat tip to MUFFY BEE, Thanks for organizing and moving the links over) ::MonkeyAngel::

Parents (Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin) of Missing Baby Lisa Irwin Hire Attorney Joe Tacopina, Former Joran Van der Sloot Lawyer

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/10/18/parents-deborah-bradley-and-jeremy-irwin-of-missing-baby-lisa-irwin-hire-attorney-joe-tacopina-former-joran-van-der-sloot-lawyer/


I wonder if TACO Joe is getting paid or has be just missed the camera?

Shocker that Joe would represent a client who has troube telling the truth.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/18/lawyer-mom-of-missing-bab_n_1017199.html
Lawyer: Mom Of Missing Baby Has 'nothing To Hide'
MARIA SUDEKUM FISHER   10/18/11 07:11 AM ET
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The mother of a missing Missouri baby may not be casting herself in the best light by telling national media that she drank heavily the night her daughter disappeared and other unflattering details, but her honesty shows that she and her family "have nothing to hide," her attorney said.

Deborah Bradley told television audiences Monday that she may have blacked out in the hours before she and Jeremy Irwin reported that their 10-month-old daughter, Lisa Irwin, was missing from their Kansas City home early Oct. 4. Bradley also now says she last saw her daughter hours earlier than she originally told police.

"I don't recall in recent history anyone under this umbrella of suspicion be so open and forthright, warts and all, regarding the events. Because they have nothing to hide," said attorney Joe Tacopina, who held a press conference Monday to announce he had been hired to represent the couple.
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Good morning Monkey's,

IMO -

DB complexion is peaches and cream, if she were an alcoholic, she would have a bumpy complexion /circles, under her eyes.

My opinion, is the wine had noth' to do with anything. I wonder if LI had an accident, when dad was "watching" her.

I find it creepy, gma Irwin, has not made a plea for the "kidnappers" to return the baby.  IMO

 

So the mom was drunk as a skunk, unable to check on her baby for 10 hrs, the baby is now gone and we are not supposed to think that something happened to the child during those blacked out hrs.

Sure.

Has does anyone call themselves a fit mother when she could not have known if the baby was crying or in distress, SHE WAS OUT COLD. Yea, no negligence there.

TACO JOE to the rescue and to jump in front of the camera. Hey Joe, an Aruba cover up ain't going to help you on this one.

Does Xanax come in some type of time release capsule?  The stuff I take usually wears off after about 4 hours.  It's not a daily med.  Just something to settle nerves every now and then.  So, why did DB have to take it first thing in the am?  Was something going on?  Also, if the cell phones were cut off for non-payment, why was DB putting contact info into Daddy's old phone?  I mean, what was the point if there was no service on any of the 3 phones?  But wait, wasn't one phone broken?  Wow.  Lot's of useless excuses for 3 phones that can't be found.

Sorry to disagree but I've treated many an alcoholics with lovely skin.

As for the wine having nothing to do with Lisa's disappearance?  We just don't know.  But if someone truly broke in (which I highly doubt) she just might have heard them is she wasn't blacked out.

~ fanta

Well, I gave the mom the benefit of the doubt. Now there's no doubt she is responsible. By getting sh**-faced while caring for a 10 month old -- she is responsible for whatever happened.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: SAD. I'd like to know what the he** she was thinking. I'm sick over this.

Here is an interesting thought ...if LE really did tell DB that they have info on the cell pings, then they know where she was and where she wasn't. 

Not only a 10 month old, but a SICK 10 month old.  When mine were that small and sick, they slept with me so that I could keep a constant check on them during the night. 

I swear we need mandatory parenting classes before babies are allowed to leave a hospital.

If she was drunk enough to black out, then the wine (wine + pills?) has everything to do with it -- whether a stranger broke in or an accident occurred -- regardless she was DRUNK while caring for a helpless baby. She should have been sober and maybe whatever happened could have been prevented. Yeah, I'm damn tired and caring for my 4-month-old baby girl is stressful at times, but I do not drink or do drugs PERIOD. I am caring for a baby -- there is no room for that kind of indulgence.

http://www.kansas.com/2011/10/18/2066568/missing-babys-mother-offers-changing.html
Missing baby's mother offers changing stories


And that right there my monkey friends, says it all!

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44942594#44942594
Baby Lisa’s mom says she may have blacked out

I agree 100%.  ::HelloKitty::

Agree KittyMom. Shows their priorities.  ::MonkeyEek::

hi Trimm  ::MonkeyKiss::


So ... who was mom getting tanked with? Her brother? Herself?

I just can not stomach Tacopina....  ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/10/18/lisa-irwin-case-version-4-0-1-a-lawyer-still-no-baby/
Lisa Irwin case: Version 4.0.1, a lawyer, still no baby
Posted on October 18, 2011 by Valhall

Tks all for your input and this video.
I wanted to give the mom the benefit of doubt but doesn't look good at this point.
Why would the parents get mad at the police, unless like tulip stated look at reactions.
Hey they are searching, which doesn't seen like the parents are. 
The baby is not a live I fear.... ::MonkeyWaa::

PeterAlexander Peter Alexander
#BabyLisa's mom tells @peoplemag she may have blacked out nite of disappearance. Could that explain inconsistencies?
20 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/KCTVPhotog_Rob (http://twitter.com/#!/KCTVPhotog_Rob)

You just might be right.....

Val says it best.  ::rhino::

That would make sense Kitty Mom..but here's what I don't understand..if all three cell phones are not in service..1 broken, two turned off for non payment..why was she carrying a cell phone around that didn't work..and would it still ping if it had been turned off by the phone company?  Just so many inconsistencies here I don't know what to think...other Mom and Dad wouldn't need to embellish or change stories if the truth did not lead back to them

A neighbor supposedly on the porch....didn't the neighbor think it was odd on a school night this mother wasn't atleast checking on the boys to make sure they had their baths, teeth brushed, etc and in bed at a reasonable time if they had school the next morning?

I have a feeling that the jusband took care of the home front duties on a nightly basis..and she got drunk.  I think he went to work thinking she could handle it...and comes home to this tall tale of the baby disappeared out of her crib. 

http://www.kmbc.com/video/29516240/detail.html
Attorney: Baby Lisa Mom's Timeline Not Inconsistent
POSTED: 7:36 am CDT October 18, 2011
UPDATED: 7:51 am CDT October 18, 2011

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29516240/detail.html#ixzz1b8iqPrK9

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44943323/ns/today-today_people/#.Tp2AcrIg-T8
By Scott Stump
TODAY.com contributor
updated 2 hours 29 minutes ago
Grief over missing baby Lisa Irwin has caused inconsistencies in her mother’s story, according to a private investigator and prominent defense attorney who have been hired by the family.

They also maintain Deborah Bradley had nothing to do with the baby's disappearance.

“I do believe this baby is alive and in the hands of someone else,’’ private investigator Bill Stanton told TODAY’s Ann Curry Tuesday. “The fact that they haven’t found this child just reinforces my belief that the baby is alive. Who steals a puppy to do away with a puppy? You steal that puppy because you want it. I think it’s either trafficking or maybe an emotionally disturbed person that took this child.’’
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Yes very good read..thanks Trimm.

Welcome to the cage and thanks for your insight! ::CowboySmiley::

Well ... how about being DRUNK caused inconsistencies in her story? I have been that drunk (long ago) and trust me, I had no concept of time.

Me either.

I drank a bottle of wine last night after I put my infant down for the "night.
In the middle of the night I woke up, and she disappeared ?

Sounds like a negligent Mother to me !

She is a LIAR IMO, and her "fiance ?, boyfriend ?, whoever ?, looks
mentally disturbed, almost like a walking zombie out of the movies.
How can he be so SOBER faced during such a high emotion trauma ?
Hey bud, "Your daughter, disappeared, H E L L O !" ::MonkeyMad::

I agree with that too.  There is no excuse for drinking to excess when caring for children.  I don't know what happened to Lisa and I doubt we'll ever know, but Deborah is responsible for her fate, no matter if she actually harmed her or not.  When one becomes a parent, it's necessary to give up a lot of the "Adult time" while the children are young and dependent on their parents. She's a poor excuse for a mother, IMO.

Yes. I've said it before and I'll say it again: sick babies need their mamas. It is not the time to unwind with a bottle (or box) of wine.

Add my name to the list also !

Whatever happens with the investigation of Lisa's going missing, I think Deborah can be charged with child neglect and possibly child abandonment since she thinks she "Might have" blacked out that night.

I gave her every benefit of the doubt and I still am not sure she did anything to Lisa, but she is responsible for whatever happened because she failed to exercize the minimum required of a parent--protect her children.

If DB were black-out drunk, why did the neighbor leave 3 children alone in her care?  Why not contact a family member and tell them they need to come see about the kids?  Even if she were still up and just stumbling around, wouldn't this be a reason to call family?

totally agree  ::rhino::

neighbor male or female? just curious ...

Female. 

I was just thinking that there are cases where people are responsible for reporting potential abuse of kids (healthcare providers, teachers, ministers), so if you know that children are in danger because the supervising parent is black-out drunk, are you then liable (criminally or civilly) if you don't report the behavior and something happens to the chidlren?

WELCOME TULIPS!  Great insight - Please join us more!

I was going to say more likely IMO a woman would call for help for kids, but not if she too was drunk or also an irresponsible mom.

I have also been  thinking about the reference to Zanax.  DB made sure to mention that she had taken one that morning. Already making excuses in case of a test???  Perhaps she drank her wine and took a few pills to boot.  That could very well be why she blacked out.

I got so pi$$ed off when I saw her reaction to the questioning of her drinking....all defiant and smug.  IMO JI knew of her problem with drinking.  His expressions - or lack of -to me shows someone who knows something happened but may not want to believe it.  You can  be sure this was NOT the first time DB drank to the point of blacking out - even with the kids in her care.   IMO, LE needs to lean on JI.  he may well be the one to break.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/18/defense-attorney-joe-tacopina-and-investigator-bill-stanton-parents-were-not-involved-in-baby-lisa-irwin%e2%80%99s-disappearance/
8:56 am ET October 18, 2011
Defense Attorney Joe Tacopina and Investigator Bill Stanton: Parents Were Not Involved in Baby Lisa Irwin’s Disappearance
by Fox and Friends Posted in: Baby Lisa, Bill Stanton, Deborah Bradley, Deborah Irwin, Fox and Friends, Joe Tacopina, Lisa Irwin, Missing Missouri Baby   
Video at link.

Always a great read.  Thanks!

Yes, it is.  Right on target!

I have a feeling that someone will be in custody by end of day.  IMO, LE has enough to present to grand jury to show that DB is involved up to her teared up eyes in Lisa's 'kidnapping'. 

If you close your eyes and listen to DB's answers to Megyn Kelly, the words and attitude could be coming straight from Casey Anthony's mouth during the pre-arrest interviews. I said early on that if she's lying, she's a great liar.

IMO, at this point, she's a great liar.

::rhino::

 ::rhino::   Now that they've lawyered up, LE might as well do the arrest. Taco is going to be running interference anyway.

I'm waiting for the day that the likes of Taco Joe, Bozo, or Mumbles is standing beside their client waiting for an arrest and LE comes in and slaps the cuffs on the atty.

 :smt107   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Out of the blue ... a witness (neighbor) has emerged that can provide an alibi for Debbie from 6:30 PM - 10:30 PM ... 10:30 when he/she observed lights in the Irwin residence were turned off.  The neighbor can also attest to the truth of Debbie's admission of being drunk at 10:30 PM.

Considering Joe Tacopina has been in touch with Debbie and Jeremy for a week ... could yesterday's TODAY show interview have been all about establishng a defence?

Think about it.  A short time following the TODAY show broadcast  ... Tacopina emerges in a press conference and announces there will be no more interviews.

Think about it.

1.  Starbucks security cameras provide an alibi for Jeremy who worked night shift for the first time and arrived home prior to the end of his shift.

2.  A neighbour provides an alibi for Debbie ... Debbie who was not in any condition at 10:30 PM to have the mindset to disappear her daughter and the cellphones.

Inquiring minds want to know ... when was the last time that ANYBODY saw baby Lisa?  Inquiring minds want to know ... did the neighbor see 10 month old baby Lisa who was put to bed at 6:40 PM?

In other words ... did something bad happen to baby Lisa prior to prior to Debbie's drinking buddy arriving?  Did something bad happen to baby Lisa prior to her father's departure to work?

Janet

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Holloway Suspect's Ex-Attorney Agress to Represent Missing Missouri Baby's Parents
By Marla Cichowski
Published October 17, 2011

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Tacopina said he's been in contact with Lisa's parents over the phone since last week.

"They have nothing to hide. They are looking for answers. I believe these people, I really do," he said.

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/17/holloway-suspect-former-attorney-takes-case-missing-missouri-babys-parents/#ixzz1b67Ha4t8

Their daughter is missing.  Why would Jeremy and Debbie not allow Lisa's older siblings to be questioned by investigators.

Janet

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Mother: I was drunk when Missouri infant disappeared
By the CNN Wire Staff
October 17, 2011 -- Updated 1735 GMT (0135 HKT)

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Irwin and Bradley told NBC they have refused to let authorities re-interview Lisa's older brothers.

"They said they heard noises (the night Lisa disappeared)," Bradley said. "I don't know if that was before we went to sleep or after." She said she has not talked to her sons about it because she is reluctant to put them through "anything else."

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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/17/justice/missouri-missing-girl/

Welcome Tulip.
My husband and I have masters degrees in Administration of Justice and my husband taught CJ to police, highway patrolmen, probation/parole officers, correctional officers, M Squad officers, CSI, etc., in Kansas City. He was across the street from the River front when it was blown up.

The "nervousness" you mention during DB's confrontation at the third woods search is really a classic textbook scenario. My mind had been going in a different direction, probably a red herring, and I completely missed what you pointed out. Thanks.

My head is still wrapped around the Anthony case...having difficulty with that one. When profiling, one looks for similarities among cases and there are many between Anthony and Irwin cases.

Again, welcome and thanks for your help.

Female, named Samantha.

Is there any information at all out there concerning the parents use of the computer?

The first thing I thought of when the police asked for the new evidence not to be photographer was they were removing computer parts/laptop from the home.

What might that tell us? 

Pedophilia porn.

What if - and this would give another iron clad reason those phones were 'stolen' (or gotten rid of) - what is Jeremy or Deborah was filming Lisa.  Sending photos and vids via cell phone and computer. 

That leaves the door open for someone to steal the baby and the phones.  Plus a whole lot of other possibilities I can't even bring myself to think of.

God I hope and pray I'm wrong.

~ fanta

KCPD says officers will be out searching again today.
by Karen Yancey 10:35 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1b9FQDyqK

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/17/3213686/lawyer-for-baby-lisas-family-makes.html
Posted on Mon, Oct. 17, 2011 11:08 PM
COMMENTARY
Lawyer for Baby Lisa’s family makes a weak case for himself
By MARY SANCHEZ
The Kansas City Star
“Wild” Bill Stanton’s better-dressed sidekick just rolled into town.

Will someone please offer this family more appropriate guidance?

Their 11-month-old daughter, Lisa Irwin, has been missing for two weeks. And they seem to be adding characters as the mystery — and most certainly their trauma — grows.

Last week, New York private eye Stanton, known mostly for chasing the spotlight, showed up to aid parents Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin.

Now, their legal counsel is here.

New York lawyer Joe Tacopina greeted a People magazine reporter enthusiastically after a news conference Monday. Apparently, they had worked together after Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005 in Aruba.

Lisa’s parents stood sullen and silent behind Tacopina and Stanton as they held court for a slew of media. It was Tacopino’s introductory performance in Kansas City.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/17/3213686/lawyer-for-baby-lisas-family-makes.html#ixzz1b9GStehC

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[/quote]Interestingly and coincidentally, Kansas City actually has quite a mob past.  Here is a pretty good synopsis of it http://americanmafia.com/Cities/Kansas_City.html (http://americanmafia.com/Cities/Kansas_City.html).  I can't see that it would have anything to do with this case, although they do live in some of the old traditional mob stomping grounds.
[/quote]
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This is a good, condensed version of Kansas City's involvement in the underworld. Believe it or not, all those millions, skimmed from the Las Vegas casinos, changed hands at a fruit stand in Kansas City.

Perhaps things have not changed that much, the Irwin's live in an old crime family neighborhood. The only difference now is that they are importing the cronies from New York instead of paying off LE, judges and anyone needed to protect the evil doers. Oh, IMO, of course.

let's see her brothers may have information that could help police but her parents won't allow LE to talk to them. Yeah these people are innocent  ::MonkeyMad::

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/17/ddhln.01.html
DR. DREW
Latest Update on Search for Baby Lisa
Aired October 17, 2011 - 21:00   ET

Lawyer of missing baby Lisa Irwin's parents says on 'Today's Show' that they have 'nothing to hide'
Posted: 10:04 AM
Last Updated: 38 minutes ago

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On Monday, Tacopina said Bradley may not be casting herself in the best light by telling national media that she drank heavily the night her daughter disappeared and other unflattering details, but her honesty shows that she and her family "have nothing to hide.”

Bradley told television audiences Monday that she may have blacked out in the hours before she and Jeremy Irwin reported that Lisa was missing early Oct. 4. Bradley also now says she last saw her daughter hours earlier than she originally told police.

Bradley had said in previous days that she checked on Lisa at 10:30 p.m. on Oct. 3, but on Monday told NBC's "Today" show that she actually last saw Lisa when she put her to bed at 6:40 p.m.

Tacopina said Tuesday her story hasn’t changed, but instead upon further questioning, her recollection of the night has.

"I don't recall in recent history anyone under this umbrella of suspicion be so open and forthright, warts and all, regarding the events. Because they have nothing to hide," Tacopina said during a news conference Monday to announce he had been hired to represent the couple.

The parents reported their daughter missing after Irwin returned home from working a night shift and found the front door unlocked, the house lights on, a window tampered with and the baby gone. Bradley and their two sons were asleep elsewhere in the house.

Bradley told Fox News that she got drunk after she put her daughter to bed that night and may have blacked out. She said she "probably" drank more than five glasses of wine, and said she frequently drank at home after her children were safely in bed. She also said she had taken a dose of anti-anxiety medication that day.

In Monday’s “Today” show interview, Bradley told NBC that police accused her of killing Lisa, but she insisted again that she had not harmed her daughter.

"No, no. ... I don't think alcohol changes a person enough to do something like that," she said.

On Monday, Tacopina, who also defended Joran Van der Sloot, the Dutch man suspected in the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba, said Bradley detailing her drinking the night Lisa went missing "goes to her credibility."

"That's something she was willing to tell the truth about even if it didn't make her look good because she's got nothing to hide," said Tacopina, who refused to say who was paying him and would only say that he had been hired to counsel the parents through the investigation.

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Read More:
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/lawyer-of-missing-baby-lisa-irwin's-parents-says-on-'today's-show'-that-they-have-'nothing-to-hide'-

KMBC's Martin Augustine reports that police are searching a wooded area just east of 35th Street and North Brighton.
by Karen Yancey 11:22 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1b9RC9I00

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jim Spellman, police according to some published reports have removed bags of evidence from the home of the neighbor who was allegedly drinking with the mother at the time that the child disappeared or around the time that night. What do you know?

SPELLMAN: Yes, this afternoon they did another search of the home here and the area. They had dogs out. And the dogs were in that area, police tell us that was in evidence, that what they were bringing out was materials related to the dog search. We understand that sometimes they take materials that have scents out of -- out of homes or something that they fear may be a crime scene so that the dogs can use that on later searches.  

We`re not sure that that`s exactly what it was but police tells us it was something related to the dog search, not evidence, Jane.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/17/ng.01.html


 ::MonkeyEek::
ME:  I have no clue on why LE would not allow photographs for "scent" items, except, a few monkeys did have good ideas,
to keep the items secretive, for a possible trial?  I

Hi Tulips! I wish I was a Fly on the wall and heard what LE and Parents were discussing and why they were angry sped off!
I snapped a photo of the video that Cartfly Posted with the mom and a stuffed animal in her hand. Why do you think she had that in her hand?

(http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee509/Sallie1233/ono.jpg)

Deborah has stated on t.v. that with police focusing on her they are taking the focus off finding Lisa.  I don't see how she can possibly claim that the police aren't searching non stop.  Also, I don't see Deborah or Jeremy out searching.  I see them doing t.v. interviews defending themselves, staying at a hotel to get some rest and retaining a lawyer.

There's one issue I'm confused about so maybe some of you monkeys know.  In this interview, Deborah claims that her boys were watching a movie with "Maria"'s daughter.  But it's also been said that she was drinking with "Samantha".  I'm searching trying to find out exacting who she was drinking with and if it was Samantha, was Maria also there?

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/judge-jeanine-interview-with-parents-of-missing-baby-lisa-irwin-transcribed

Deborah said in her interview with Megyn Kelly that she put Lisa to bed at 6:40 because she was "fussy".  Well sure, she was fussy because she was sick.  It makes me sick to think of a sick 10 month old baby just being put in her crib, probably crying, because she was fussy.  That's not a solution.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-steve-marlene-aisenberg-offer-support-lisa/story?id=14737456

Missing Babies: Steve and Marlene Aisenberg Offer Support to Lisa Irwin's Parents

Deborah Bradley Describes the Night Baby Lisa Went Missing
By Jeff Truesdell

Monday October 17, 2011 06:30 AM EDT

On the night her 10-month-old daughter disappeared, Lisa Irwin's mother drank enough wine at home while relaxing with a neighbor that she has no recollection of whether or not she checked on her daughter or turned off the house lights before she went to bed.

Did the alcohol cause her to black out? "It's a possibility," Deborah Bradley tells PEOPLE.

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With Irwin, an electrician, working late on the after-hours remodel of a Starbucks, Bradley settled down at home for dinner and drinking with a neighbor. She put Lisa down in her room around 6:40 p.m., she says. Only once more soon afterward did she check on Lisa, finding her standing in her crib before tucking her back in.

Then, as the other children of the two next-door-neighbor moms watched a movie inside, Bradley tapped the box of wine that she'd bought earlier that evening, and she and her friend spent much of the evening chatting outside on the front stoop.

"I had several glasses of wine," Bradley told PEOPLE. More than five? "Probably." Asked if she was concerned she might be drunk with her infant daughter inside, Bradley replied, "She was sleeping. I don't have a problem with me having adult time."

Her friend left for home about 10:30 p.m., and later told Bradley that she saw the lights in the house go dark. But Bradley herself can't say if she turned off those lights, or whether they may have been flipped on by an intruder whom she believes entered her home through the open front window and took her child.

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http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20537543,00.html

MAY have either you do or you dont. I have blacked out before LONG ago I didnt remember a thing but I KNEW I blacked out.

I BET she did not black out and was not SO drunk she didnt know what was going on. With her attitude like Cartfly Said "the holier than thow" I wouldnt put it past her that she did something horrible pretending to herself and playing games with LE just to stay in her little crazy zone!

I am willing to concede that if I were in the parent's position and even if I had told the truth about everything, I would also hire an attorney.  I mean if she did black out and was drunk, she needs some kind of representation, as she has now confessed to child endangerment.  Also, if my baby were still missing and I was innocent and yet had made a mess of the investigation by lying to cover my own a** then yes, I would hire a lawyer too, probably even a PI, as these parents have.

However, the skill set would be much different.  Wouldn't you hire an attorney that had represented parents of missing children who were less then perfect, yet still innocent?  Why wouldn't you hire an attorney with a background in working with LE to find missing children, not freeing offenders.  I don't believe hiring an attorney at this point is the suspicious part, it is who they hired that mystifies me.  I would be furious, if my child were missing and someone who believed in my innocence spent that much time defending me instead of trying to vindicate me.  I mean where was the plea for help in finding Lisa, where was the plan?  I only heard a defense.  If anyone believes that TACO didn't have everything to do with the "last interview" the parents gave, they are kidding themselves.  I am appalled that the "press time" was an opening statement for a defense instead of a plea for help or a well devised investigative plan.  They should have recognized the parent's mistakes and moved on to what needs done next, instead it was defensive move.   Poor Baby Lisa, she will be lost in all of this just as Caylee was.   I am just grateful Baez was busy having dinner with Barbara Walters, or he surely would have jumped at the chance to be in the spotlight, afterall freeing killers is what he does best!

You CAN call 911 ON ANY CELL PHONE Debbie said they phones were one th counter thats where she charges them. She also said 1 was working she programmed #'s in it/ she never called the cell phones! Would you try if your baby was missin? I would!she changed stories about the cell phones.

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The cell phones:
■Three phones, one broken, one new.  Debbie was programming new numbers in the new phone manually.  All three phones missing because, Debbie says, that would slow them down on making a 911 call.
■Three phones, one broken, one given to them by grandpa.  Jeremy called 911 with his work cell phone he had in his pocket when he got home.
■Version 4.0.1: Three phones, one broken, one given to them by grandpa.  Debbie sh**-faced, so most likely not programming anything.  Doesn’t matter any way because you couldn’t call out on any of the phones! Because they hadn’t paid the bill (Debbie spent the phone money on a box of wine…lawlz, just kiddin, kind of).  Have no clue why you’d even bother programming a borrowed phone with numbers to call when you can’t use the darned thing.  But curiously, this revelation is at the same time we learn that Debbie has been confronted with cell phone activity from one of those phones on the night Lisa disappeared

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/10/18/lisa-irwin-case-version-4-0-1-a-lawyer-still-no-baby/

why Are they JUST now talking to her neighbor getting an alibi and info from her neighbors house. I wonder what they took from her home?

I haven't posted for a long time but I just can't stay quiet in this case. I live in Kansas City and I am disgusted that Taco has now become part of this mess. This clown always appears when he sees a chance for publicity. How does he live with himself, knowing that he defended Joran van der Sloot's "innocence", which Joran repaid by murdering another innocent girl? If I thought there was even a slight chance the parents really didn't know anything before, there is zero chance now. These parents know a lot more than they are sharing if they need the services of a high profile criminal defense attorney. Kansas City should not be at the center of this three ring circus. This baby needs to be found and THAT'S what's important right now. KC is a great place but having Taco here makes me feel dirty somehow.  :sad:

KMBC's Laz Abalos took this picture of the FBI preparing to search a wooded area near 35th Street and North Brighton.
by Karen Yancey 11:36 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1b9eKqO9E
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http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/10/18/lisa-irwin-case-version-4-0-1-a-lawyer-still-no-baby/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/10/18/lisa-irwin-case-version-4-0-1-a-lawyer-still-no-baby/)

There is no such thing as a coincidence in a criminal investigation. 
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My version:  Sick baby Lisa standing up in crib crying because she is congested, running fever, etc.  Inebriated mother picks her up and shakes her, throws her against the wall, covers her mouth with a pillow...whatever it takes to make the irritation of a wailing baby stop. 

Takes her to dumpster after calling a friend (2:30) and sets dumpster on fire. 

Maybe that's what happened; maybe not, but it is a plausible scenario.  Alcohol does change people and for many people the change isn't for the better.   

Please, God, let Lisa be brought home.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I read the "Samantha" thing on JQ last night. First time I  have heard it.

So where does "Maria" come into this? DB stated she was with "Maria" and Maria's 4 year old was in the house watching a fairy tale with the boys. I found a "Maria" on FB last week who is DB's neighbor and "Maria's" hubby/boyfriend works for KC PD. This thing is this "Maria" uses "Maria" as a middle name on FB. I did not bring the name over because I was not proof positive that this was DB's "Maria" and didn't want to put her name out there till MMedia did. But she does mention being DB's neighbor on her FB.

So are Maria and Samantha the same person?

It seemed the perp came through the Aisenbergs garage and laundry room door. the babies room was downstairs? I think? WHY dont people get an ALARM!?
 I know some areas are very good my area has hardly any crime no history of stuff like this ...I have alarms on every door even in the garage and on the garage. Im notified at home or not if any door or winow opens.
  These people will soon realize that Deborah HAS a Way different story than them and prob will stop supporting DB!

megyn kelley was just discussing the case on FOX..talking about Deborah Bradley being on Effexor.

Heycameraman HC
#FBI with search dogs getting ready to re-search woods Kcpd searched on Wednesday.. #lisairwin bit.ly/q8A3uy (http://bit.ly/q8A3uy)  Edit to hyperlink MB
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http://www.kctv5.com/story/15721746/day-15-still-no-word-on-where-lisa-irwin-might-be
Day 15: Still no word on where Lisa Irwin might be
Posted: Oct 18, 2011 11:40 AM CDT Updated: Oct 18, 2011 12:15 PM CDT
By Chris Oberholtz, Multimedia Producer - email
By Heather Staggers, Reporter - bio | email
 
KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

The parents of missing baby Lisa Irwin have been in and out of a home on North Walrond Street on Tuesday.

There is still no word on where their missing 11-month-old daughter might be.

She has been missing for nearly two weeks now, and parents say she was taken from her crib.

FBI agents near a wooded area just off North Brighton were seen with a canine Tuesday morning a little after 10 a.m., a few blocks away from the parent's home on North Lister Avenue.  They were looking through areas they have previously searched.

Police say the last "unrestricted conversation" police had with Lisa Irwin's parents was Oct. 6. After that, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin sought legal counsel from a local lawyer.
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http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/18/baby-lisas-mom-tells-megyn-kelly-she-doesnt-need-a-lawyer-before-hiring-prominent-attorney-joe-tacopina-is-wealthy-benefactor-picking-up-the-tab/
1:53 pm ET October 18, 2011
Baby Lisa’s Mom Tells Megyn Kelly She ‘Doesn’t Need’ a Lawyer Before Hiring Prominent Attorney Joe Tacopina; Is Wealthy Benefactor Picking Up the Tab?
by America Live Posted in: America Live, Baby Lisa, Deborah Bradley, Jeremy Irwin, Joe Tacopina, Lisa Irwin, Megyn Kelly, Missing Missouri Baby   
Video at link.

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Article and Video..

By CHRISTINA NG
Oct. 18, 2011

The parents of missing toddler Lisa Irwin haven't submitted to an interview with detectives for the last 10 days to answer questions about things "they might only know," police said today.

The 11-month-old girl vanished from her crib Oct. 3. Police have not named any suspects in the girl's disappearance, but the story of mother Deborah Bradley has altered somewhat and she has admitted to being drunk that night, possibly even blacking out.

Kansas City Police Capt. Steve Young expressed some frustration today with Bradley and the girl's father, Jeremy Irwin.

"The last time that the mom and dad sat down with detectives to answer questions about things they might only know was Oct. 8," Young told ABCNews.com.

"And that time, and previous times, there came a point when Deborah became uncomfortable and stopped the questioning," Young said.

Continued..

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-dodge-questions-police/story?id=14760706

Awwww ...so sweet and innocent...praying that baby will be found

Natalee Holloway's frustrated stepfather saw the writing on the wall over two years prior to the murder of Stephany Flores.  Why didn't Joe Tacopina?  Aruban "powers that be" may have Stephany's blood are their hands but so does Tacopina.

Janet

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NANCY GRACE
Aired February 15, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET

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JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S STEPFATHER:  ... I`ll tell you what really made me sick today to be honest with you is to see his U.S. attorney, Joe Tacopina, whoever, who has been kind of hiding for the last week because he didn`t know what was going to happen all of a sudden come on and he`s all over the TV now. And he is just saying, you know, with a smirk on his face, which just it makes me sick ... I told you so, nothing was going to happen. When he knows Joran is a time bomb just waiting to blow up.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html

http://www.kmbc.com/slideshow/news/29518987/detail.html
Who's Who In the Lisa Irwin Case
A look at the major figures in the disappearance of Lisa Irwin.

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/slideshow/news/29518987/detail.html#ixzz1b9rxIezz

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks trimmonthelake

Janet

it hurts seeing that pic of Lisa just kills my heart!

If my child was missing, I would become uncomfortable if they weren't asking me questions. This couple should be thankful that their missing daughter is getting all this attention. How many children go missing that are merely a blurb in the news?  If you have nothing to hide,be on the doorsteps of the police station!,, grrrrrrrrr!

I'm still trying to come to terms with who gets that drunk with 3 little kids to care for. 

Anything could happen in those circumstances and the mother is responsible regardless.

I wish we could get some media coverage of the grand jury meeting.  I no we can't have details.  But I'd love to know who's being seen at the courthouse and who's not.

Ugh...is this a case of a mother trying to cover up a wrongful deed by making up a kidnapping story?? 

If mom was drunk, as she admits she was, I can strongly see a case of accidentily overdosing little Lisa with cold medicine. 

As for being drunk while caring for children.  I hate to admit it...but I was an alcoholic...and there were times that I had alcohol after my kids had gone to bed in the evening when my husband was gone for the night.  Stupid...yes....but unfortunately, it happens too often these days.  I never got to the point I was slobbering drunk...but definitely tipsy...my children could have woken me up by calling for me, etc, still.  Glad those days are long behind me.  Also as an alcoholic, I can say I did have times where the next day I struggled to remember how/when I went to bed etc.  That didn't ever occur when I was home alone with the kids but know there were a couple times when my husband was home too that that was the case.  SO, I can see her NOT remembering the events of that evening.

Has it been confirmed yet whether the mom had a vehicle of her own or did they just have one car?

Megyn Kelly (Fox News channel) is carrying more of her 2 hour interview with Deborah and Jeremy.  Her guests are Kimberly Guilfoyle Newsom and Lis Wiehl again.  Megyn asked Deborah if she tried to call her cell phones just to see if anyone answered.  At first she said no, they didn't even know Lisa was missing until 4 a.m.  Then she said that she didn't because she didn't want to interfere with the police investigation.

When Megyn asked her about the lights she said the only way she knows she shut them off is because the neighbors told her.  Then she went into this whole thing about Jeremy always being on her about leaving lights on - she's only allowed to leave the one above the oven on.

part 1 & 2
LE took evidence from the neighbor,the drinking buddy,hmmmm

FULL INTERVIEW: Megyn Kelly Presses Parents of Baby Lisa Irwin on Disappearance, Asks If They ‘Sold or Killed’ Their Daughter

Megyn talks to the parents about the events leading up to the child’s disappearance, even asking point blank if they killed – or sold – their daughter.
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In part one of Megyn Kelly’s incredibly revealing interview, Deborah Bradley admitted to being drunk after consuming “several” glasses of wine on the night that Lisa disappeared. Bradley acknowledged that she drinks a couple of nights a week after putting her children to bed, saying, “I don’t see the problem with me having grown up time.”

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/17/full-interview-megyn-kelly-presses-parents-of-baby-lisa-irwin-on-disappearance-asks-if-they-sold-or-killed-their-daughter/

hi monkeys this is driving me crazy,10 mo old children just dont get abducted, unless...

theory 1 & 2 based on DB admission of drunk,on a side note 1, 4oz glass of wine is = to 1, 12oz beer
her timeline for the drinking is from around 6:30pm/7:00pm to 10:30pm,thats about more or less,3.5 hrs
to drink the equivalent of a six pack of beer,even though i had a prob in college with drinking,i still
have a drink or 2 once in a while,and only ale,but i do remember the effects of slamming a 6 pack in
 a short time frame
anyway on to theory 1 & 2,
1. DB says that lisa was standing up in bed,and from the pic of bed the mattress is too high,she could
have fallen out,and died or DB panicked in her drunkenness and thought lisa was dead,and i dont want to
guess anymore than that,on that theory
2.maybe DB is a rowdy drunk sometimes,and PoED someone off,and that person is just as drunk and out of
control,most of the time,and took lisa as a pay back
if lisa was abducted,i think the perp went through a door,bc they couldnt get the screen open,and DB prob
left the door/s open/unlocked,she was drunk and forgot

admits she was drunk
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20537543,00.html

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12179.msg1477177#msg1477177

I just thought of another scenario.  I could see little Lisa fussing in the middle of the night after waking and not feeling well.  Mom, laid her down, as she remembered and went back to bed.  It is very possible (as with most infants) Lisa didn't go back to sleep and continued to fuss or woke up again.  In frustration, Mom decided to just bring Lisa into the bed with her for the evening.  And if mom had had too much to drink, she could have forgotten Lisa was in the bed with her and accidentily rolled on top of her...

There is Chris and Alicia Maria at 3626.  He has himself listed as DFO with Kansas City Police Department as his employer since 2009.  I think they may be "the" neighbors. He also commented on Judge Jeanine's FB.  Should I post the FB link?  I hate to drag people into stuff if it is not important. 

Thanks labubske.  I'm confused because in an early t.v. interview Deborah says that her boys were watching a movie with Maria's 4 year old daughter.  But I've also seen where the person she was drinking with was Samantha.

And let's not forget that self professed crime fighter ? Washington? Just have Baez show up and that circle of nuts will be complete, lol :)

Yep, that's the "maria" I gleaned also from the clay county prperty records. Still confused about Samantha. And this Maria I think has a boy child, that's why I didn't bring it over.

Hmmm...well looking at Chris and Alicia's FB page there is a Samantha with his same last name that looks to have children.  Maybe she was over that day?  Just a thought and only speculating here.

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Police on N. Brighton. 2 crime scene vans pull up where missing baby search is going on.

That makes sense. 

A crime scene van has arrived at today's search area near Northeast 36th Street and North Brighton Avenue.
by Jeff Field/Staff edited by Jeff Field/Staff 2:28 PM
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KCMO crime scene van now at the 3600 N Brighton search area. #lisairwin bit.ly/pe5en2 (http://bit.ly/pe5en2) Edit to add hyperlink.  MB
7 minutes ago  http://twitter.com/#!/Heycameraman (http://twitter.com/#!/Heycameraman)

Sounds like something is happening.  Isn't this the same area that mom started flipping out about when they were searching there before?  Or am I wrong?

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Here is the Manhattan, Kan., deli where two women with a baby left abruptly without eating their food.
by Jeff Field/Staff 2:33 PM
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Out of the blue ... a witness (neighbor) has emerged that can provide an alibi for Debbie from 6:30 PM - 10:30 PM ... 10:30 PM when this witness observed lights in the Irwin residence were turned off.  This witness can also attest to the truth regarding Debbie's admission of being drunk at 10:30 PM.

Think about it.

1.  Starbucks security cameras provide an alibi for Jeremy who worked night shift for THE FIRST TIME and arrived home prior to the end of his shift.

2.  A neighbor provides an alibi for Debbie ... Debbie who was not in any condition at 10:30 PM to have the mindset to disappear her daughter and the cellphones.

Inquiring minds want to know ... when was the last time that ANYBODY seen baby Lisa?

Inquiring minds want to know ... did the neighbor actually see 10 month old baby Lisa who was allegedly put to bed at 6:40 PM?

In other words ... did something bad happen to baby Lisa prior to Debbie's drinking buddy arriving?  Did something bad happen to baby Lisa prior to her father's departure to work?

Could it be that Debbie being captured on security video purchasing wine and diapers was part of a plan to put into play her drinking alibi while giving the impression that baby Lisa had not already met her demise?

Why was a polygraph not requested of Jeremy Irwin?  Jeremy may have an alibi for the night baby Lisa allegedly went missing but ... at the very least ... this guy could have had knowledge and ... at the very most he could have been a participant in the demise and the disappearance of his daughter in the hours prior to his departure to work.

A red flag!  Jeremy and Debbie's baby is missing but ... permission to the questioning of baby Lisa's siblings is not afforded.  Could it be that the boys witnessed an unfortunate incident in that household regarding their little sister ... an unfortunate incident that happened ... not during the night but the day before?

lseabrookKFN Lauren Seabrook
Witnesses at McAlister's say the 2 women had a blonde, 11 month old baby with them. #LisaIrwin
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Lauren Seabrook
lseabrookKFN Lauren Seabrook
2 white women, 1 with pink shirt, witnesses say they were nervous, didn't eat their food then left. Small, dark car with MO plate #LisaIrwin
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lseabrookKFN Lauren Seabrook
We have a crew in Manhattan on a lead in the baby #LisaIrwin case. Possible sighting at McAlisters Deli
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http://www.kmbc.com/news/29520615/detail.html
Authorities Look Into Possible Baby Lisa Sighting
11-Month-Old Reported Missing Oct. 4

POSTED: 2:18 pm CDT October 18, 2011
UPDATED: 2:29 pm CDT October 18, 2011

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29520615/detail.html#ixzz1bAFMUiex

Mr. Congeniality and ?

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29520615/detail.html (http://www.kmbc.com/news/29520615/detail.html)

[ex]The Kansas Highway Patrol officials said Riley County police asked them to put out an alert about a small black car with Missouri tags with two women and a baby inside.

According to the Highway Patrol, the women were seen at a McAlister's Deli at 421 Tuttle Creek Blvd. on Tuesday. Investigators said the women were in a booth at the restaurant and left without eating their meals after people took notice of them.[/ex]

Oh please let this be Lisa!!!

~ fanta

You know, I just have this feeling that Tacopina is going to pull the "incompetent police investigation" theory which is really disgusting if he does because if his client hadn't lied to police about a big four hour difference as to when she put Lisa to bed, maybe the police would have looked in a different direction.  Since his clients are not really cooperating and refusing to let them re-interview their boys I hope he is aware that LE has already followed up on over 550 leads. 

OT.  Jeremy has reminded me of some from the beginning and I finally know who - Jeff Goldblum.

Would you go out with a stolen baby whose face is all over TV, newspapers, Billboards... if you live in the same town as the baby?

These two women probably freaked out when employees or other people started staring at them.

I would've walked out too.

Heycameraman HC
Kcmo pio's on the scene of earlier FBI search on 3600 n Brighton. Hope to have info soon. #lisairwin
3 minutes ago  http://twitter.com/#!/Heycameraman (http://twitter.com/#!/Heycameraman)

Riley County  Kansas
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=964

seabrookKFN Lauren Seabrook
The McAlister's in Manhattan does not have surveillance cameras. #babylisa
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http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/18/3214895/crime-scene-technicians-at-site.html#ixzz1bAJLq2TT
Crime scene technicians at site near Lisa Irwin’s home
By GLENN E. RICE
The Kansas City Star

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/18/3214895/crime-scene-technicians-at-site.html#ixzz1bAKWsCAW

Thanks trimmonthelake

All indications are that something is up.

Janet

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Kansas City Police have asked us to stop flying our helicopter in the area of 36th & N. Brighton while they search for #lisaIrwin
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I feel exactly the same way ... I mean if she was piloting an airplane --- she would have been fired a long time ago!
It is absolutely rediculous to try to rationalize this irresponsible behavior whatsoever! 

dispatch says the resteraunt has a credit card inf for the women in their 20s with the baby

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=964

http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/JOB-11-02-04.html

Forensic Specialist II (Crime Scene Technician)
Kansas City, MO Police Department

Essential Job Functions (Functions essential to attaining job objectives)
1.Assesses all crime scenes worked in a prompt manner, prioritizes calls, and gives proper notification to supervisor according to established procedures.
2.Collects and preserves evidence by implementing state of the art scientific and technical methods, and ensuring the proper chain of custody. Involves work with decomposing corpses, bodily fluids, contagious diseases, hazardous materials, heavy objects, equipment, tools, and other evidence. Responsible for care and maintenance of technical equipment. Must have knowledge of search/seizure case law.
3.Documents crime scenes using detailed written reports, photographs, and diagrams where appropriate; maintains photography equipment.
4.Coordinates crime scene responsibilities and directs patrol and investigative personnel in assessment of crime scene and collection of evidence.
5.Protects crime scenes from contamination by directing patrol personnel.
6.Provides expert testimony on the crime scene processing techniques utilized, evidence collection and preservation methodology, and prepares charts, photographs, diagrams and other visual aides as needed for presentation to the court.
7.Examines and unloads firearms.
8.Completes articles for publication in Forensic Forum or other peer-reviewed periodicals.
9.Performs related duties as required.

http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/JOB-11-02-04.html

The "scent" items ceased (yesterday) from the neighbors house, may have been helpful. IMO

Kansas City investigators are focusing their attention on a wooded area near 35th Street and North Brighton.
by Karen Yancey/Staff 3:18 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1bAOMeZtY

LE headed to McAlister's Deli‎ 421 Tuttle Creek Blvd , Manhattan, KS 66502.

From KCPD: Officers are searching the area near 210 Hwy and N Brighton. A no fly zone has been put in effect until 8 p.m.
by Karen Yancey/Staff 3:20 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1bAP2KAlJ

This doesn't sound good...... ::MonkeyShocked::

From KCPD: Officers are searching the area near 210 Hwy and N Brighton. A no fly zone has been put in effect until 8 p.m.

by Karen Yancey/Staff 4:20 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1bAPDBxTX

He reminds me of Aron Levy

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Police searching at 34th and North Brighton
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 3:28 PM

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Knowing that Deborah had no car, and no assistance from her hubby... one has to ask... did she get a ride from someone to get rid of the body?

Did she walk?

... if she harmed her daughter, that is... we can't be 100% sure she did.

So, can anyone see Deborah drunk, most possibly blinded by tears, in the dark, walking in the woods carrying a child in her arms?

If she walked on the street, why did nobody report her? Someone reported a man with a baby, police discounted that account. Was this a male acquaintance of Deborah helping her get rid of the baby? If it was, we can assume the man had no car? Why was he walking?

A neighbor came out to let the dog out, reported nothing out of the ordinary.

How far could Deborah travel on foot, in her condition, get rid of the baby and return before her husband got home?

If she got a ride from Phillip, or one of her female friends, sooner or later these accomplices will spill the beans.

We can always include the hubby in the situation, but IF there is any involvement, it had to be right before 911 was called. So he couldn't have traveled far.

Of course, things could've happened before in the day and the father maybe got rid of the body on his way to work. However, I couldn't believe this by the smile on Deborah's face on the surveillance picture. No way her daughter could've been harmed before that trip to buy wine. Her face looks too happy. Okay, so maybe the happiness is the wine, but how can someone smile if something had happened to her baby?

MOO.

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BREAKING NEWS | FAA officials close airspace over #LisaIrwin search area. More on NBCActionNews.com. pub.vitrue.com/lQl (http://pub.vitrue.com/lQl)
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NBC Action News Skytracker is outside the no fly zone. Watch LIVE VIDEO HERE - http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/News_LiveVideo (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/News_LiveVideo)

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Another view of a baby Lisa search happening off 34th and North Brighton. Many officers have been called to the area.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 3:34 PM

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Kcmo pio's on the scene of earlier FBI search on 3600 n Brighton. Hope to have info soon. #lisairwin
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RT @KrisKetz #LisaIrwin Manhattan KS deli - scene of possible baby sighting. (photo from our Karen Yancey) post.ly/3cdHt (http://post.ly/3cdHt)
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KCMO crime scene van now at the 3600 N Brighton search area. #lisairwin bit.ly/pe5en2 (http://bit.ly/pe5en2)
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Who's Who In the Lisa Irwin Case: A look at the major figures in the disappearance of #LisaIrwin. bit.ly/qF3GC6 (http://bit.ly/qF3GC6)
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#FBI with search dogs getting ready to re-search woods Kcpd searched on Wednesday.. #lisairwin bit.ly/q8A3uy (http://bit.ly/q8A3uy)
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Temp. flight restriction in effect over wooded area near #BabyLisa home during search. yfrog.com/oenhowj (http://yfrog.com/oenhowj)
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looks like the area last wk the LE searched
http://g.co/maps/kyddq

Did you see the video of Casey Anthony with her boyfriend in a video store on the day that Caylee disappearance?

Could it be that Debbie intended to be captured on security video purchasing winr and diapers to set the scene for the drinking binge alibi that would render her incompentent and ... to give the indication that little Lisa ... who had met her demise earlier ... was still alive?

When was the last time that ANYONE other than Jeremy and Lisa has seen baby Lisa?

Janet

Here's more on the report from earlier in Manhattan, Kan:

Baby Lisa Irwin was possibly seen at McAllister’s in Manhattan with two white females - one with very dark hair wearing a shell pink hooded sweat shirt, the other was the a slender female with mousy brown hair and dark eyes. Both women appeared to be in their 20’s. They left McAllister’s after they saw the reporting party observing them. They have in small black vehicle with unknown MO tags in an unknown direction of travel.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 3:52 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1bAX4WUBW

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-tacopina-irwin-attorney-returns-to-new-york-fbi-continues-searches-20111018,0,6724522.story
Irwin Attorney Returns To New York, FBI Continues Searches
October 18, 2011 3:25 CDT

KANSAS CITY—

FBI agents were searching an area again on Tuesday with some dogs in a wooded area off North Brighton Avenue and 34th Terrace. They said they were not acting on any one specific tip.
The area was declared a "no-fly zone."  Crime scene vans and canine units were also at the scene.
Lisa Irwin's parents left their home with a woman in a government vehicle Tuesday, after the woman met with them for a couple hours.

That meeting happening about noon at the house on North Walrond where Lisa's parents have been staying.  They left without speaking with the media.
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The lawyer hired to represent baby Lisa's parents, Joe Tacopina, says he believes Lisa Irwin is still alive.  He says the parents are being cooperative, despite a Kansas City Police statement that the parents' "level of cooperation hasn't been what it needs to be do help find Lisa."

Tacopina returned to New York Monday night after his news conference with the parents.  He appeared on Fox and Friends Tuesday morning on the FOX News channel, along with consultant "Wild Bill" Stanton.
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Video at Link

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/18/3214895/crime-scene-technicians-at-site.html#ixzz1bavinpns
Posted on Tue, Oct. 18, 2011 03:33 PM
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Two crime scene vans and multiple unmarked police cars and SUVs were on the scene.

Crime scene technicians were observed going into the woods with screens used to sift dirt.

The wooded area was one of many in the neighborhoods near the family’s home in the 3600 block of North Lister Avenue that had been searched since Lisa vanished Oct. 4.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/18/3214895/crime-scene-technicians-at-site.html#ixzz1bAXWuK8s

walking along the roads I am getting .42 mile(Mapquest), easy even if drunk - I hate to confess that I walk the dog some wkend evenings with a buzz and tasty beverage in hand very late greater distances with my super duper big mag light of course...

last sighting - either Oct 2nd picture release of party?  unless neighbor has claimed to see her that night and we are not privy to that info?

Live video from NewsChopper 9, which is flying over the baby Lisa search area
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com edited by Brian Foster - KMBC.co

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1bAY2BzDr

All the police and dog presence in this specific area right now indicates that someone gave searchers a heads up regarding something relevant to the Lisa Irwin case.  IMO.

Janet

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Irwin Attorney Returns To New York, FBI Continues Searches
3:35 p.m. CDT, October 18, 2011

KANSAS CITY— FBI agents were searching an area again on Tuesday with some dogs in a wooded area off North Brighton Avenue and 34th Terrace. They said they were not acting on any one specific tip.

The area was declared a "no-fly zone."  Crime scene vans and canine units were also at the scene.

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http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-tacopina-irwin-attorney-returns-to-new-york-fbi-continues-searches-20111018,0,6724522.story

Capt. Steve Young commenting on the increased police presence
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 4:00 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1bAYtMQ1c

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/18/high-profile-attorney-in-case-missing-missouri-girl-refuses-to-divulge-fee/
High-Profile Attorney in Case of Missing Missouri Girl Refuses to Say Who's Paying Legal Tab
October 18, 2011

A high-profile attorney, with offices in New York and Italy who is now representing a Missouri couple searching for their missing 10-month-old daughter, is refusing to divulge who is paying for his services while insisting his clients are innocent of any wrongdoing.

Joe Tacopina, a former New York City prosecutor who represented the prime suspect in Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba, confirmed to FoxNews.com early Tuesday that he is not working pro bono while representing Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin in the search for Lisa Irwin, who has been missing since Oct. 4.
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Tacopina declined to indicate how much he is being paid or by whom, but stressed that the Missouri couple -- who recently told Fox News they could not afford to pay their cellphone bills -- are cooperating with authorities in the case and are innocent of any wrongdoing.

"This is a mother's worst nightmare," Tacopina told a reporter following an appearance on Fox News. "There is absolutely no evidence pointing to their guilt."

Tacopina -- who has also represented late pop icon Michael Jackson, actor Lillo Brancato and an NYPD cop acquitted of raping a fashion executive -- traveled to Kansas City, Mo., on Monday to meet with Bradley and Irwin.

"In my mind, there is no question they had nothing to do with the
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Tacopina was joined by private investigator Bill Stanton during his appearance on Fox News. Stanton reiterated that a $100,000 reward for information leading to the girl or to a conviction remains in place. He also declined to indicate who is paying for his services.

Deborah Bradley's cousin, Michael Larette, has said that he and Lisa's parents chose Tacopina because he came highly recommended by several people, including Stanton, a New York-based private investigator who has been working with Bradley's family.
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Authorities and FBI officials launched new searches for the girl on Monday, including the drainage of a nearby creek. Investigators also brought tracking dogs to the yard of the home where the girl's parents have been staying since she was reported missing.

Sean O'Brien, associate professor of law at University of Missouri-Kansas City, said it was difficult to read anything into Bradley's remarks about her drinking or about what police told her. But he said it was wise for the parents to hire a lawyer, and they likely should have done so earlier given what Bradley has said about police accusing her of being involved in the baby's disappearance.

"When the questioning becomes accusatory ... it's time to shut up and lawyer up," O'Brien said.

But O'Brien said that police remain the family's "best hope" of finding the baby, so Bradley would want to continue cooperating.

Capt. Steve Young, commenting on the Manhattan sighting: One of many leads they are checking out
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 4:01 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1bAZ7XXSv


Capt. Steve Young: No tips have panned out
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 4:00 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1bAYxl6uw

Capt. Steve Young: Search along Brighton was just "another tip that didn't pan out."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 4:03 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1bAZdBtyc

Joseph Duncan

How far is this from the Irwin home?

http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander)
PeterAlexander Peter Alexander
#KansasCity police: Investigators again find nothing at wooded area search. Fourth time at this location.
2 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/heycameraman
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Heycameraman HC
KCMO PD Capt Steve Young: 'promising lead they we developed turns out to be nothing' #lisairwin
4 minutes ago

We have taken the live stream down, NewsChopper 9 has left the area
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 4:13 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1bAc836nn

All of these leads leading nowhere...
Sitings in CA, @ a kansas deli, possible they sold the baby.
And yes, Jeremy reminds me of Aron Levy...I couldn't put my finger on it until it was mentioned a few pages back.

1.  Could Lisa have met her demise sometime between the departure of the neighbour  and the return of Jeremy from work and then an inebriated Debbie immediately took her baby's body and disposed of her in the woods?  I could be wrong but ... I don't think so.

2.  If it is revealed that the neighbor saw or heard Lisa on the evening of October 3rd ... I will digress from my speculation that something bad happened sometime in the day/s prior to Jeremy's departure from the home on October 3rd for his first workplace night shift.

 

I think I actually agree with this.  I know there have been other cases where this turned out NOT to be the case...but for some reason, I don't see it with this one.  Could be wrong...but. 

I see, Manhattan, Kansas is about 120 miles West of metro Kansas City, Missouri.

I figured they were close towns, but that's about a two hour drive.

I see why the two women were stared at, one has dark hair, the other "mousy" brown. Still, maybe the father is blonde.

"Kansas Highway Patrol officials said Riley County police asked them to put out an alert on a small black car with Missouri license plates with two women both in their 20s and a baby inside. According to the Kansas Highway Patrol, the women were seen at a McAlister's Deli around 1 p.m. but left after witnesses said people took notice of them. Troopers are still looking for the small black car."

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15721746/day-15-still-no-word-on-where-lisa-irwin-might-be

Whatever the situation, Deborah knows what happened... but she ain't telling.

I can't recall...did LE state that K9's were not able to pick up any scent at all?  If not, I would think that she wouldn't have been walking with baby into woods.  Wouldn't it make sense that if there is no scent that either:

1. she is still within the area of the home, or
2. had been put directly in a car when taken?

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-search-area-near-lisa-irwin%27s-home-again
Investigators again find nothing at wooded area near home of missing Lisa Irwin
Posted: 1:39 PM
Last Updated: 13 minutes ago
KANSAS CITY, Mo. - More than 20 investigators re-searched a large wooded area off North Brighton Avenue and 34th Terrace, near the home of missing Lisa Irwin. The Tuesday afternoon search prompted officials with the Federal Aviation Administration to initiate a no fly zone over the search area for a radius of 1.15077945 miles.

Capt. Steve Young with Kansas City police said the search of the area was due to a developed lead in the case. Around 4:15 p.m., Young said investigators found nothing in the area.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-search-area-near-lisa-irwin%27s-home-again#ixzz1bAjzHsi8
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who would the BBM be?  Gov't car?  FBI?  Any guesses?

Ok, was VERY wied she said on national tv she was drunk.
What if she wasn't????
I don't think any of us have thought that.
What if the baby did die of an accidental overdose like one of us said earlier.
To me, this would make more sense IF the mom got rid of the body.

 ::MonkeyEek::

That is SO close to the river.....I am just now able to watch any news and I am almost sure someone mentioned this area and another dumpster fire, and how close it was to the river, now I am going to have to find it and get ready in 40 minutes....I pray they find Lisa today, this farce has gone on long enough  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm so glad the latest search did not result in a body found.  And I hope that those two ladies with a baby, I sure hope that's Lisa.  Wouldn't that be a great ending?

But, if it is her, would she be returned to her mother?  Would child services make a determination first to see if she is a fit parent?

@ 4:43 mark taco and bill,talk about the boy/s hearing a clicking noise,no time on
when they heard that noise
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-dodge-questions-police/story?id=14760706

I think this is what I recall also from the first time they brought the dogs in.  That there was no scent of Lisa leaving the house.  Seemed odd to me because I always thought babies had a lot of scent...

That's what I recall too.......   :(

Also...I'm not very 'in the know' when it comes to the talents of K9's.  Do they specifically have to use a cadaver dog to find a body or will a search & rescue K9 be able to find the same thing?  And have they specifically used cadavar dogs in this case?

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Police say the last "unrestricted conversation" police had with Lisa Irwin's parents was Oct. 6. After that, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin sought legal counsel from a local lawyer.

That was before their latest attorney, New York defender Joe Tacopina, was hired by an anonymous benefactor and introduced to the public on Monday.
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http://www.kctv5.com/story/15721746/...irwin-might-be


I could spit nails at the parents right now.......this is the way to obstruct an investigation (hoping that God forbid when she is found there is no evidence), and certainly NOT the way to help LE find your missing baby.

FWIW... Manhattan, Junction City, and Riley County are about 2 hours west of KC on I-70.  Kansas State University is in Manhattan.  Junction City is also right there and it is a big military town because of Ft. Riley, home of the Big Red One.  I take this sighting with a grain of salt because there would be a whole lot of women and babies who would fit the descriptions there.  Also, Missouri license plates would not be that uncommon in that area.

I agree.  I used to live in Manhattan and MO plates are common in this area.  Mostly with all the college students who attend both KSU and KU.

How many times did the searchers and investigators find NOTHING when they were searching for Caylee?

Good point.

Is LE still discouraging volunteers from helping at all with searches?  And if so...why???????

Missing Babies: Steve and Marlene Aisenberg Offer Support to Lisa Irwin's Parents
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-steve-marlene-aisenberg-offer-support-lisa/story?id=14737456 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-steve-marlene-aisenberg-offer-support-lisa/story?id=14737456)

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Wow, I would have liked to have heard those tapes.  It doesn't appear that there is a thread here for Sabrina Aisenberg.  Cookie made mention of this case recently but a search brought up no results.  Perhaps I'm just not searching in the right place?

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This is on of the dogs brought in to search
I have a family member who is a K-9 Police Officer and his dog is used only to take down perps. Different dogs are trained for different things.

That is exactly my thoughts because of the heavy density behind that house they could have missed a small baby's body. The longer it goes without finding her the worse it is for forensics.

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Two things struck me as odd. The dad worked this night shift and he comes home at 4 am
doesn't that mean that the dad went to work at 8 PM, (assuming he works an 8 hour shift)
then wouldn't he have known the time the baby was put to bed and wouldn't the neighbor
have seen him while Deborah and neighbor were drinking?

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Jeremy Irwin work van

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Cyber crimes unit on scene - maybe there is something on the computer????

Good question;   Also, it's entirely possible one of the other children in the house could have accidentially
hurt Baby Lisa - it is absurd to sequester these children from the authorities;  If only someone could hypnotize Deborah for clues.

I am hoping so - it has been strangely quiet in regards to computers so far.

link for search/cadaver dog - some info anyway.  

http://www.cadaverdog.com/searches/TRAILING/trailing_lost_child.htm

All I have seen in MSM regarding dogs in this case; KCPD dogs and FBI dogs not the types of dogs used.

Just thru my own personal research I can tell you that SAR/Cadaver has alot of grey areas as to the training of dogs.  Such as use of pseudo scent vs real scent for training and the actual point in time a dog first begans to smell decomp.

Family services ?...

JerseyGirl this article is so fricken wrong...when I followed the link it said "Defense Attorneys car".  I was so mad - wishing these parents were actually reaching out and talking to the FBI or having CPS talk to the boys about what they heard that night but no...fooled again.  They are looking worse and worse. 

Thanks for posting that.  (FYI - The video with that statement is now the second video, as there's a new one when you click that link.)  I wonder if the clicking noise was the sound of cigarette lighters?  If the boys were still up but in bed they may have heard their mom lighting up.

Also, it's interesting that Tacopants is trying to tie together DB's innocence with the fact that she offered up the information about her drinking that night.  He implies that since she told the truth about that, that she must be telling the truth about everything else.  Oh, OK.

I can't find it but Jerseygirl posted a link to video interview with Megyn Kelly where Jeremy states that he left for work at 5:20 PM.  Did Jeremy work a 10 hour shift?

Janet



Janet

I agree fatcatlurker.. Why is a criminal attorney involved.... I keep wondering who was the one
who took her out of the home.. Deborah had to have help...JMO

I am not positive but I thought during the Amber Dubose/Chelsea King case that the dogs LE had were capable of tracing a scent even while driving in a car and the dog would alert sometimes at an exit. I need to read up on what these dogs are capable of. Does anyone remember about dogs being able to follow a scent even if the victim was driven off in a car?
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The following are post here at scared monkeys that referenced the dogs hired by Amber's family.
 ::snipping2::

The report showed the dogs had followed Amber's trail from Escondido to the Pala area last August.

When the announcement was made this weekend that Amber's remains were found in the Pala area, it outraged Welch, who had hired the dog team from Virginia.

Welch said a full report was given to Escondido police six months ago.
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http://www.10news.com/news/22780380/detail.html  (http://www.10news.com/news/22780380/detail.html)

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Both dogs picked up Amber's scent at her north Escondido home and followed it to Interstate 15, Jones said.

The animals and their handlers walked part of the way, Jones said.

When it was clear they were following a freeway, they traveled by car.

At off-ramps, the dogs were let out to test whether the trail continued north, Jones said.

At Highway 76, the dogs picked up Amber's scent and headed steadily toward Pala, Jones said.

Around the Pala Mission, and for approximately three miles north on Pala Temecula Road, the dogs found Amber's scent in numerous locations, the handler said.

In the area Amber's remains were found, the dogs again followed a trail, Jones said.
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http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_7a7449b1-6a3d-5930-a68b-c0373e775ad1.html  (http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/escondido/article_7a7449b1-6a3d-5930-a68b-c0373e775ad1.html)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5361.msg1090406;topicseen#msg1090406  (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5361.msg1090406;topicseen#msg1090406)

IDK Janet.. It has never been released what his hours were that night.. All we know is according to Jeremy he left for work at 5:20pm and got home around 3:30pm..

You gotta account that he may or may not have worked 8 hours. IF he did, you add one hour for lunch, maybe breaks, and time to get back and forth from home.

Most possibly not accurate, but rounding up, he should've left around 7:00pm. That's 8 hours work, 1 hour lunch.

If he quoted 5:20pm, then he may not have a schedule.

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"Lisa Irwin's parents left their home with a local defense attorney Tuesday, after the woman met with them for a couple hours."

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-tacopina-irwin-attorney-returns-to-new-york-fbi-continues-searches-20111018,0,6724522.story

"Boehm said the reason the organization sometimes increases rewards beyond $1,000 is to generate tips when the case has grown cold. He said the Lisa Irwin case is still active and still generating potential leads.

Crimestoppers is still offering its standard $1,000 reward in the case, even though private investigator Bill Stanton offered up to $100,000 for Lisa Irwin's safe return.

Crimestoppers said it has not been in contact with Stanton, who announced Monday that he would be leaving the Kansas City area for now."

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29522792/detail.html

Janet~
I think this may be the post by Jerseygirl posted in thread #2.


1:27 pm ET October 17, 2011
FULL INTERVIEW: Megyn Kelly Presses Parents of Baby Lisa Irwin on Disappearance, Asks If They ‘Sold or Killed’ Their Daughter

VIDEO at this LINK:
 http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/17/full-interview-megyn-kelly-presses-parents-of-baby-lisa-irwin-on-disappearance-asks-if-they-sold-or-killed-their-daughter/ (http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/17/full-interview-megyn-kelly-presses-parents-of-baby-lisa-irwin-on-disappearance-asks-if-they-sold-or-killed-their-daughter/)

Thanks cartfly

Janet

KrisKetz Kris Ketz
#LisaIrwin Riley County KS Police confirm Baby Lisa sighting in Manhattan KS was NOT the missing 11 month old child. #fb
14 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)

Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight!  Tune in now!

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I think about Cindy Anthony bloodhounding after those supposed Caylee sightings.  If DB starts accusing LE of ignoring tips I'm going to scream.

Okay.  Here we have a PI comparing the disappearance of little Lisa Irwin to stealing a puppy.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  That's just wrong imo.  Damage control.  Minimizing.  There's such a big difference in the two, I can't even begin...!  And just how does Joe Tacopina know for sure Deborah Bradley's arrest is "absolutely not" going to happen.  Really?!  Here comes more damage control, more spin, more media, more bs.  JMHO  And during all this, where's Lisa?  I can't print the entire article, nor can I bold the entire thing, but this is making me crazy.   ::pullinghairout::


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44943323/ns/today-today_people/#.Tp4fwXJZrwI
Attorney: Baby Lisa's mother will 'absolutely not' be arrested
'I believe this baby is alive and in the hands of someone else, private investigator tells TODAY
October 18, 2011
(Transcript Available)
Grief over missing baby Lisa Irwin has caused inconsistencies in her mother’s story, according to a private investigator and prominent defense attorney who have been hired by the family.
They also maintain Deborah Bradley had nothing to do with the baby's disappearance.

“I do believe this baby is alive and in the hands of someone else,’’ private investigator Bill Stanton told TODAY’s Ann Curry Tuesday. “The fact that they haven’t found this child just reinforces my belief that the baby is alive. Who steals a puppy to do away with a puppy? You steal that puppy because you want it. I think it’s either trafficking or maybe an emotionally disturbed person that took this child.’’
Baby Lisa has been missing since Oct. 4, and although the Kansas City police have not named anyone a suspect, they have noted that the parents of the child, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, have not been as cooperative as they would like in the investigation of her disappearance. Bradley has also revealed discrepancies from the original story she told investigators, as she recently said she was drunk on the night of her baby’s disappearance and that the last time she saw her child was nearly four hours earlier than she originally told police.

She also revealed that she takes anti-anxiety medication and may have blacked out from drinking wine on the night that her daughter disappeared. Bradley admitted on Monday that she fears she will be arrested, which newly-hired defense attorney Joe Tacopina said is “absolutely not’’ going to happen.
People are making a little bit more that than it is,’’ Tacopina told Curry. “She’s not changing her story as to when she saw her baby last. She describes putting the baby to bed at a certain time of night. Obviously she wasn’t clocking that when she was putting the baby to bed. She wasn’t marking the time down.
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Clearly the parents’ level of cooperation has not been what it needs to be to find this child,’’ the Kansas City Police Department said in a statement. “Should they change their minds, our door is always open.’’

“It’s unbelievable to hear that,’’ Tacopina said. “They’ve cooperated as recently as yesterday. They want to cooperate, but they want to make sure the investigation is being done in good faith. When you’re cooperating, and you’re being interviewed, and a detective within an hour or two of the baby’s disappearance starts accusing you of murder, it really doesn’t do much for the cooperative spirit. These parents want more than anything to find out what happened.’’

Stanton and his team are re-examining the evidence the police have gathered as well as conducting their own investigation into the baby’s disappearance. The baby was first discovered missing, the parents have said, when Jeremy Irwin came home from his first night shift as an electrician at 4 a.m.
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I have a feeling that DB and JI left their house because they were afraid LE was going to bug the place and and listen in on their conversations. 

KrisKetz Kris Ketz
#LisaIrwin @CNN Headline News reporting @kcpolice obtain search warrant for Irwin home on N Lister. Developing. #fb
2 minutes ago  http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)

From KCTV - Police serve search warrant on baby Lisa's family home.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15721746/day-15-police-serve-search-warrant-on-baby-lisas-family-home

Wow, and the family is not allowed in the home.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15721746/day-15-police-serve-search-warrant-on-baby-lisas-family-home
Day 15: Police serve search warrant on baby Lisa's family home
KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -
Posted: Oct 18, 2011 11:40 AM CDT Updated: Oct 18, 2011 8:16 PM CDT
Police said Tuesday night they have a warrant to search the family home on North Lister Avenue of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin.  They also said the family is not allowed in the home.
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KrisKetz Kris Ketz
@
@melindamusil ...or acting on advice of counsel.
6 minutes ago
Kris Ketz
KrisKetz Kris Ketz
#LisaIrwin (3) ...makes one wonder if we're seeing Joe Tacopina in action here ?
7 minutes ago
Kris Ketz
KrisKetz Kris Ketz
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@tallen1984 I wouldn't hang there too long.
9 minutes ago
Kris Ketz
KrisKetz Kris Ketz
#LisaIrwin (2) Just a guess past searches were done w/parents consent but this time they either didn't get it or thought they wouldn't.
10 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)

This isn't "news" persey but I have a friend who got married on the 14th and Lisa's Aunt (JI's sister) was in her wedding.  She said the family is all hold up together - the girl showed up to walk down the isle only and went right back to where ever they are staying.

This whole thing stinks; now that CA got off how many sick breeders think they can too?

KrisKetz Kris Ketz
#LisaIrwin ...and a condition of the search warrant is the parents can't go inside their home. #fb
1 minute ago http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz (http://twitter.com/#!/KrisKetz)

JI is prob a journey man electrician,so he would only work how ever long his particular part 
of the job takes, and is paid by the co,by the hr or by the job,and that depends on the rules
for MO. code for contractors,JI could be a sub contractor through that co

his co website has a pop up lisa missing poster
http://www.allcurrentelectrickc.com/

Wow.  Not looking good at all at this point.    

TRANSCRIPT (apologies if already posted)

From NBC Baby Lisa’s mom says she may have blacked out

 http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44942594#44942594  (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44942594#44942594)

ANN CURRY, co-host: We turn now to the search for baby Lisa Irwin. Now her parents have a top criminal defense attorney and a private investigator working for them. We're going to talk to them in just a moment. But first, NBC's Peter Alexander has the latest. Peter, good morning.

PETER ALEXANDER reporting: And good morning to you. Investigators tell NBC News they have now received hundreds of tips from across this country and even overseas, as far away as Barbados and England. But the biggest twist just came here yesterday when we heard for the first time from a new criminal defense attorney, Joe Tacopina, who you will speak to in just a moment, who insists that his clients, baby Lisa's Irwin's parents, are innocent. However, there are new inconsistencies in their story that are drawing new scrutiny. Two full weeks into the baffling disappearance of baby Lisa Irwin the spotlight's on the shifting public statements by her mother, Deborah Bradley. Deborah first revealed to NBC News that she was drinking at home with a neighbor in the hours before she says Lisa vanished from her crib. Were you drinking that night?

Ms. DEBORAH BRADLEY: Yes.

ALEXANDER: How much?

Ms. BRADLEY: Enough to be drunk.

Ms. BRADLEY: Mm-hmm.

ALEXANDER: As seen on this surveillance tape, Deborah bought wine with her brother that evening. She now acknowledges taking anxiety medication and said in a separate interview she may have blacked out after drinking more than five glasses of wine that night. Deborah told People magazine she can't remember if she turned off the lights or checked on her daughter before going to bed around 10:30 PM. A lot of people are going to say, ' Deborah, you were drunk that night. Is there any chance you did anything that hurt your daughter that you're just not telling us?'

Ms. BRADLEY: No, no, no. And if I thought there was a chance I'd say it. No, no.

ALEXANDER: Meanwhile, the hunt for clues Monday included four separate searches at the Irwin home, outside the home where Lisa's parents have been staying with relatives. At a neighbor's home, where detectives were seen removing bags of items. And at this neighborhood park where crews even drained a creek.

Mr. JOE TACOPINA (Defense Attorney Hired By Irwin Family): And I'm optimistic and confident at the end of the day, the truth will come out.

ALEXANDER: On Monday, baby Lisa's parents introduced their new lawyer, high-profile criminal defense attorney Joe Tacopina, whose past clients include Joran van der Sloot. Tacopina says his heartbroken clients have nothing to hide.

Mr. TACOPINA: She's a mother who is in a high state of trauma, who trembles every day and cries. And if her recollection sometimes isn't what it should be regarding certain times of events, I don't think we could really be too harsh on that inconsistency, if it is in fact an inconsistency.

Ms. BRADLEY: I can't change what people think. Everybody is going to have an opinion. It is so easy to judge. It is so easy to point the finger. It is so easy to make assumptions when you don't know me as a person, you don't know me as a mother.

ALEXANDER: Authorities say they still have no suspects in this case, including the Irwins, whose attorney said their interview with us Sunday would be the last time they speak to the media for now. We also spoke to police late yesterday, who released this statement, and they say to us the following, " Clearly the parents' level of cooperation has not been what it needs to be to find this child. Should they change their mind, our door is always open."

Ann: Peter Alexander, thank you. Joe Tacopina is a top criminal defense attorney just hired by baby Lisa's parents and Bill Stanton is a private investigator also working with the family. Gentlemen, good morning to both of you.

CURRY: Good morning.

Mr. BILL STANTON (Private Investigator): Good morning.

Mr. TACOPINA: First of all, answer this question. Why has this family not cooperated fully, given that police say that that is what they need to find baby Lisa?

CURRY: Ann, it's unbelievable to hear that. They've cooperated. As early -- as recently as yesterday, they consented to a search of their car. They consented to these sniff dogs coming to the property and searching.

Mr. TACOPINA: For a time they didn't speak to investigators...

CURRY: No, no.
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/17/full-interview-megyn-kelly-presses-parents-of-baby-lisa-irwin-on-disappearance-asks-if-they-sold-or-killed-their-daughter/
Mr. TACOPINA: ...and they have not said that they -- they have said that they did not want their two young boys, the stepbrothers of baby Lisa, to be reinterviewed.

CURRY: Well, here's the deal, Ann. They've both been interviewed repeatedly for a total of 13 hours each, 13 hours each. They want to cooperate but they want to make sure the investigation is being done in good faith. When you're cooperating and you're being interviewed and a detective within an hour or two of the baby's disappearance starts accusing you of murder, it really doesn't do much for the cooperative spirit. And these parents want more than anything to find out what happened. I had a conversation with the police sergeant yesterday, where I said, 'Tell us what you need from us and we'll give it to you.' And there's this really stand-off mentality. And they need to understand, these people are victims.

The rest of the transcript can be read at the link but it is just Tacoboy running at the mouth.

Article and video..

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

Police said Tuesday night they have a warrant to search the family home on North Lister Avenue of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin.  They also said the family is not allowed in the home.

That new development comes shortly after Riley County police confirm the baby seen with two women in Manhattan, KS Tuesday afternoon was not baby Lisa.

They said they made contact with the two women after witnesses reported a possible sighting of a baby that fits 11-month-old Lisa Irwin's description about 120 miles west of the Kansas City metro.

Kansas Highway Patrol officials said Riley County police asked them to put out an alert on a small black car with Missouri license plates with two women both in their 20s and a baby inside. According to the Kansas Highway Patrol, the women were seen at a McAlister's Deli in Manhattan, KS just after 1 p.m. but left after witnesses said people took notice of them.

Meanwhile, in Kansas City, police activity picked up at a search area near the Irwin home on North Lister Avenue. Several detectives searched a wooded area just off North Brighton in hopes of a lead in finding baby Lisa, but that hope was deferred as the search turned up empty. The area searched was one that police said they have searched before but they said their investigation brought them back to the site. 

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http://www.kctv5.com/story/15721746/day-15-police-serve-search-warrant-on-baby-lisas-family-home

So is LE at the home now? 

Joe Tacopina is going to mess this case up worse than it already is imo.  Check this:  "He added later that Bradley's admissions about drinking "goes to her credibility."  More like Deborah fessed up before the person/persons she was drinking with told police she was drunk.  Having three small children in your care and drinking until you black out doesn't fit too well with the word "creditibility" imo.  The more I read about Deborah the less I can think of her as being credible.  Changing stories is NEVER good imo.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/lawyer-mom-missing-baby-hide-14758614
KC Police Want More From Parents of Missing Baby
October 18, 2011

ansas City police said Tuesday that the parents of a missing baby have not sat down face-to-face with investigators since Oct. 8, four days after the couple said someone must have entered their home and taken their baby as the mom and two other children slept.

It's been 10 days since the couple have answered police questions on "things that we believe only they would know about," Kansas City police spokesman Steve Young said.

The child's mother, Deborah Bradley, has given television interviews since then, including at least two in which she said she had been drinking the night Lisa disappeared and may have blacked out.

"Our focus has always been and remains to find this girl," Young said. "And as I said before, we strongly believe that their complete cooperation and communication with detectives is critical for that to happen."
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As the searches continue without any arrests, attention has turned to Bradley and her network interviews. She told NBC that she was drunk the night she last saw her baby and that she did not see the baby after putting her to bed at about 6:40 p.m. — roughly four hours earlier than the time she originally gave police. She didn't explain the difference.

Her lawyer, Joe Tacopina, did not return messages seeking comment Tuesday. On Monday, he said the parents were done giving media interviews, but he insisted they were innocent.

"I don't recall in recent history anyone under this umbrella of suspicion be so open and forthright, warts and all, regarding the events. Because they have nothing to hide," Tacopina said.

He added later that Bradley's admissions about drinking "goes to her credibility." Say what?!!!

"That's something she was willing to tell the truth about even if it didn't make her look good because she's got nothing to hide," he said.

Jeff Lanza, a retired FBI special agent, said the manner in which the child's disappearance has unfolded publicly has been "bizarre" and may have reduced public support for the parents.

"The fact that they've been on national TV so much ... the fact that they've been out there so much and then publicly changing their story, or she is publicly changing the story, is very surprising," Lanza said.
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http://adastrum.kansascity.com/?q=node/1306
More objections to Lisa Irwin coverage
Derek Donovan, The Star's readers' representative


A caller echoed sentiments I've heard from others today:

"Please tell The Star to resist turning the Lisa Irwin thing into more of a tabloid (story) instead of just sticking to the facts. It makes me sick to think we're going to be looking at another Casey Anthony here. And quit it with the Joe Tacopina (coverage). Don't put the cameras on them. Pay attention to the police and the searchers."

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Right - I'd like to see focus on finding Lisa

Article and Video..

KANSAS CITY, Mo.—
Police will return to the home where baby Lisa Irwin disappeared from 15 days ago. The family has been staying with other family members at a different residence. On Tuesday, police obtained a search warrant and plan to take a second look at Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin's home. Officers didn't say when that search will happen, but it's likely it will happen on Wednesday.

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http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-kcpd-new-search-irwin-home-missing-baby-20111018,0,794561.story

I did know the staying with family part and I also know the street is a media zoo.  I am from KC and my kids/family still live there and know family members and have friends who live in the neighborhood - but don't know DB or JI

No link on this, I just saw it on local news, KMBC, the police are at the Irwin house and it is lit up bright as day.  They are not going to seach until tomorrow, they are simply guarding it now.

Sorry Jerseygirl, you had that already. Isn't it nice to know when you're right  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sheesh...you think that the baby has been there all along?  Doesn't this home have a basement?  I wonder if there is any type of crawl space?

Transcription of Judge Jeanine's interview with Lisa's parents

Debbi: “Me and my neighbor were out front talking and the boys were and Maria – she has a  4-year-old daughter – was in the bedroom with them and they have a TV in there and bunk beds and stuff, and they were watching some sort of fairy tale movie and um, I mean everything was, everything was pretty normal. I mean Jeremy never works nights and never works overnight certainly so …”

Judge Jeanine: “So this is the first time you worked an overnight?”

Jeremy: “Yeah, this is the first time I’ve ever not been home at night, so …”

Judge Jeanine: “But that night, who went to bed first, Debbie?”

Debbi: “Um, Lisa. And then I put the boys to bed and I, I, I went to sleep.”

Judge Jeanine: “The neighbor was gone when you went to sleep?”

Debbi: “Yeah.”

Judge Jeanine: “And you think that was about 10:30?”

Debbi: “Yeah.”

Judge Jeanine: “Were the lights on or off when you went to bed?”

Debbi: “I turned them off.”

Judge Jeanine: “OK, was the front door locked or unlocked?”

Debbi: “I don’t remember. Typically I lock it. Um, I mean I left the computer room window open and …”

Judge Jeanine: “So the computer room is in the front of the house?”

Jeremy: “Yeah, that’s right.”

Debbi breaks down and weeps, hugging Jeremy.

Judge Jeanine: “I can’t imagine the pain you’re going through. Was there a screen on the computer room window?”

Debbie: “Yeah.”

Jeremy: “Yeah.”

Debbi: “And, um, when he came in it was, and he tried to shut the window because we, we, almost never, except for maybe our bedroom which is really far off the ground and maybe twice or every once in a while we’ll leave the boy’s window cracked, um, for them so they don’t get hot in the summer. But he knew that, you know, I’m sure there’s been a couple of times we’ve left it open but it’s not enough to when you walk by it’s a normal thing at 4 o’clock in the morning.”

Judge Jeanine: “What do you mean when you said ‘he knew’?”

Debbi: “Whenever he came in from work, I mean he’s – he came in …”

Judge Jeanine: “What time do you normally come home, Jeremy?”

Jeremy: “About 5 in the evening.”

Judge Jeanine: “The evening?”

Jeremy: “Yeah.”

Judge Jeanine: “But this night you were the last one to go to bed, you turn all the lights out, there was a screen in the window but the window was open?”

Debbi: “Yeah.”

Judge Jeanine: “OK, what’s the next thing that you remember?”

Debbi: “Him coming in the bedroom, um, I didn’t know what time it was until he later on had said it because I hadn’t checked but he came in and said, um, you know, ‘why are all the lights on?’ um, you know, ‘why is the screen popped out of the window. Part of, a quarter of it was popped out or something and um, I was, you know, I got up, I was ‘I don’t, I don’t, I don’t know what you’re talking about’ …

And um, my son was sleeping with me and um, sometimes, you know, I (inaudible) – my kids have always, when they were younger, little, slept in bed with me so I like to do that when I can. And, um, he asked why Michael was there and I was like, ‘you know, he’s just, he’s sleeping next to me’ and, um, I guess with everything he was saying out loud to me, you know, he thought ‘wait a minute, you know, Lisa’s bedroom door’s open’ and we always close it when she goes to sleep at night. And he ran back and checked and he said, he came in the room and said ‘Where’s Lisa, where’s she at?’ And I said ‘She’s, she’s in her crib. What are you, you know, and he says she’s not there and we just got up and screaming for her and looking everywhere and she wasn’t there.”

Judge Jeanine: “She’s 10 months old, Lisa’s 10 months old.”

Debbi said: “She’s almost 11 months old the 11th. Her birthday is next month.   

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/judge-jeanine-interview-with-parents-of-missing-baby-lisa-irwin-transcribed

I was thinking the same thing....

I think they are playing mind games with them and their new lawyer.  They couldn't have taken kindly to tacojoe's statements.  And yes it has a walk-out type basement with a garage underneath also.  It looks like a one-story from the front and a two-story from the back.

What if Lisa is found at the house?  Could the dogs have missed that?   From what we've read, there is no scent of Lisa leading from the home.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
Even if Lisa isn't found in the home, LE could be looking for evidence of crimes against her.  This could include checking drains, the washing machine, vacuum cleaners and etc.  It could include checking the walls, floor & ceilings for blood spatter or even other body fluid that was cleaned up and isn't visible to the naked eye but can be seen with special tools.   Things like that.  They could look at clothes, shoes, mattresses and all kinds of things checking for foul play. And some clothing items or shoes might have mud or pollen, bits of leaves and etc., that could give a clue where the clothes were worn in case the person wearing them went out to the woods.   I hope they go over the house with a fine tooth comb.  In my opinion, LE seems to think Lisa is no longer alive.  They've checked dumpsters, the dump and wooded areas, creeks.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Luminol spraying?

I think they may even know the who, what, why, how, but not the where.  They could easily be doing the search now, but there is a reason they aren't... wish I knew what it was.  I have been trying to think of where else she could be in that house and I thought about my basement.  The water shutoff valve is in my basement, but it's behind a wall not concrete.  If you remove the panel you see dirt and there might be enough space to 'bury' something.  Also above the concrete foundation in the unfinished portion there would be room to tuck something on top of the foundation and back far enough that you'd never know it was there.  Or even if they have walls that are more like glorified dividers, things can be hidden there.

They apparently aren't doing anything tonight, but wouldn't it be better to do luminol at night. 

I am still thinking of the post that said the boys described a "clicking" sound. I mean, what in a normal home would have a clicking sound?

Someone here suggested a lighter.

So, I made a list of things that could be considered sorta clicking:

1. a loud combination lock
2. a child proof medicine bottle cap
3. kids toys
4. computer keyboard
5. a ratchet wrench
6. wood chimes
7. turning of a revolver
8. baby swing gears
9. pen being clicked
10. any gadget being turned on/off

Can't think of anything else.

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About the search warrant, I hope LE searches each and every cranny in that place. She had to have hid evidence in the home, if things happened like they appear.

Even if a stranger went into her home, they had to leave something behind.

Any body catch on Joy Behar something being said about the Irwin's taking down or dismantling Lisa's room? Why would you do that?

If it's true, it sounds like they are resigned to the thought that she is not coming back.

I hope it is NOT because they want to get rid of evidence.

IF the info from the woman that allegedly knew her in Ft. Bragg is correct, this is scary and it was in 2007 when she was stated to live there:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1951731/

Spring Lake — Harnett County authorities said they located the remains of a missing 11-month-old girl in the attic of her house Saturday afternoon.

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Police said Harmony's mother, Johni Michelle Heuser, told investigators she found the girl dead in her crib several weeks ago. Police said Heuser concealed her daughter's death out of fear and did not tell anybody.

Heuser stayed behind at the house, police said. Heuser initially told police she last saw Harmony after putting her to bed Thursday night. She said Harmony was wearing pink pajamas with the words "Daddy's Girl" on them.

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When police arrived at the house Friday, they discovered that a pink bed sheet, a few bibs and most of Harmony's clothing were missing. Also, the window in the baby's room was open, and the screen had been removed. It was sitting outside the house.

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Could very well be the same situation. Except that in Lisa's case the mother was dead drunk when it happened.

If what happened was an accident, I don't see why she would lie about it. So, she had to have done something to her, or it was something that she knew would get her in trouble.

I believe that a search with permission from the homeowner, police can search but cannot be thorough. But, a warrant can give them more leeway.

I'm crossing my fingers and toes that Lisa is found soon.

More on my last post and how the baby was undetected for sooo long in the damn house.....

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6400083/

Deputies found the toddler's remains in her mother's attic on Oct. 20, 2007. The indictment states the child was killed between Aug. 31, 2007, and Sept. 30, 2007.


The child had been wrapped in a plastic bag and stuffed in an empty diaper box in a corner of the attic, authorities said. The body was so badly decomposed that medical examiners have never been able to determine a cause of death.

TOO MANY COINCIDENCES>>>>>>

Thanks for this layout picture, I can't tell if the computer room is that entire end of the house or if there is a room behind it.  I have been trying to determine if there was an exit from the home to the deck or if the only access to it was from the outside.  This is the best shot I have seen http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12179.msg1478014#msg1478014 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12179.msg1478014#msg1478014), but I can't tell if there is a door or not. 

I am not buying she was dead drunk.....maybe she had been drinking, then she heard the Judge and atty Zellner talk about how Riley Fox's dad was drunk and voila, the next day she is drunk? Sounds like it's a defense strategy to me.
 True WRT the SW, they can pretty much do any thing they want to.....sadly, I have no hope she is still with us:( The LE is not looking for a live child PERIOD, too many inconsistencies, no cooperation with LE except a phone call (which is not IMO cooperation) since Oct. 3rd, not allowing the kids to be interviewed, the writing is on the wall......I pray I am wrong, but from the moment I saw her on TV and JI, they exuded guilt....again JMO.

The storm glass/screen on the windows - could have been mom testing or staging as well as a perp sneaking in.  Did it click when it fell on cops legs attempting break in on video?  I don't remember but remember my parents old windows did that - the storm glass not the screen.

I realize that an 11 mo. old is small, but the child would still decompose, correct ?
How could a child be hidden in that attic for so long & no
awful odor to high heaven ?

video of LE's staged break in attempt.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-police-stage-break-familys-home/story?id=14702680

Absolutely........but, if wrapped in enough plastic and in a sealed box, maybe the odor wouldn't be so bad....how many bodies were in John Wayne Gacy's house ???? There are other instances of bodies within the home hidden, but this one freaked me out big time.

Good evening

Someone was asking about a back door, watching prime news with Vinnie, a reporter is in the back of the house. You can see a back door off the computer room and it looks like steps coming off the deck on the left side.

OS

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-kcpd-new-search-irwin-home-missing-baby-20111018,0,794561.story
Police Plan to Search Home of Lisa Irwin Again
Eric Burke, FOX 4 News Christie Walton Web Producer
9:12 p.m. CDT, October 18, 2011
KANSAS CITY, Mo.—
Police will return to the home where baby Lisa Irwin disappeared from 15 days ago. The family has been staying with other family members at a different residence. On Tuesday, police obtained a search warrant and plan to take a second look at Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin's home. That means the family can no longer go inside the home.

Officers didn't say when that search will happen, but it's likely it will happen on Wednesday.
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Video at link.

http://www.kmbc.com/video/29402334/detail.html
Missing Baby's Neighbors Worry About Other Kids
Concern Grows As Baby Lisa Case Lingers
POSTED: 10:40 pm CDT October 5, 2011
UPDATED: 11:36 pm CDT October 5, 2011

Video at link.
Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29402334/detail.html#ixzz1bD6JK36i

This woman really believes what she's saying. 

Opinions?

I'm not sure how to embed a video directly so I'll just post the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7jOT28jUY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7jOT28jUY)

~ fanta

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/19/justice/missouri-missing-girl/
Police obtain search warrant in 'Baby Lisa' case
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 5:55 AM EST, Wed October 19, 2011

Video at link.
(CNN) -- Authorities have obtained a search warrant for the home where a missing 11-month-old Missouri girl was reportedly last seen, Kansas City police said Tuesday.

The warrant allows investigators to comb the house in the coming days and also bars the family of Lisa Irwin from returning home. A patrol car has been posted outside.
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