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Title: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 - 1/13/12
Post by: MuffyBee on October 16, 2011, 05:02:56 PM
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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862
Post by: klaasend on October 16, 2011, 05:06:42 PM
Thanks for the new thread Muffy!  ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 23, 2011, 02:39:17 PM
 ::santawink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 23, 2011, 05:55:43 PM
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Merry Christmas to all    ::ElfMonkey::    ::santawink::     ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: snoopy on December 23, 2011, 06:21:05 PM
Merry Christmas Magnolia and all the monkeys.  Wishing you all the very best.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on December 24, 2011, 12:22:59 AM
Merry Christmas to all monkeys and guests who are here to support Natalee and Stephany!  ::ElfMonkey::  ::DancingSantaMonkey1::  ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on December 24, 2011, 12:36:36 AM
Picture at link

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/bulletin/amerikaanse-toerist-verdronken-op-aruba

Google translation

American tourist drowned in Aruba
Published on December 24, 2011 - 4:33 pm

SAN NICOLAS - A 48-year-old American tourist was Friday afternoon at Baby Beach in southeastern Aruba drowned. CPR by bystanders, also happens to be medically trained, to no avail.

The victim was on vacation with her husband and was part of a tour group led by a local tour operator. Snorkeling at Baby Beach was by the group.

 ::snipping2::

The investigation, the case study, but police stressed that there is no indication that a crime has been committed. In August, disappeared or drowned American Robyn Gardner after a snorkeling trip to Baby Beach.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Lifesong on December 24, 2011, 12:29:53 PM

Listen up, people!

If your significant other stuffs your stocking with tickets for an Aruban vacation  ::MonkeyEek::


... well ... let's just say Baby Beach snorkeling tours seem to be quickly overtaking the "hand in the pocket" system of disposal on One Happy Island.

DON'T GO PEOPLE ... sheesh. 

Speaking of the Hidden Hand cabal, oh that's right - it's Christmas.   ::santawink::  Maybe its best I left that for after the Holidays.

Love and Peace to the Monkeys, and to Red, and to Klaas, and to the AmazingMods.

 ::DancingSantaMonkey1::      ::DancingSantaMonkey1::      ::DancingSantaMonkey1::     ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on December 24, 2011, 12:38:12 PM
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Merry Christmas to all    ::ElfMonkey::    ::santawink::     ::ElfMonkey::

very cute Miss Magnolia.
Happy Holidays to you & your little friends - the animals.
ribbit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on December 24, 2011, 01:08:30 PM
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Merry Christmas to all    ::ElfMonkey::    ::santawink::     ::ElfMonkey::

Awwww, I love it Magnolia!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Merry Christmas to you and yours too!    ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on December 24, 2011, 01:20:36 PM
Wishing love, joy, peace, and all the magic of Christmas to everyone here at Scared Monkeys!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

Thoughts of all the families who are missing loved ones, prayers of comfort and peace to them this Christmas.   ::MonkeyAngel::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on December 24, 2011, 01:21:32 PM
It looked better in the preview.   ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 24, 2011, 01:24:06 PM
It looked better in the preview.   ::snowmanlaugh::

It's lovely!  Merry Christmas!!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on December 24, 2011, 01:29:05 PM
It looked better in the preview.   ::snowmanlaugh::

It's lovely!  Merry Christmas!!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

Thank you MuffyBee!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 24, 2011, 05:30:48 PM
The Reason for the Season

Luke 2:8-11
And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.  And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.  And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.  For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord
.



REDEEMING LOVE
From God's heaven to a manger,
From great riches to the poor,
Came the holy Son of God, a little child.
From the azure halls of heaven,
To a lowly manger stall,
Jesus came and here He gave His life for all.

Redeeming love, a love that knows no limit.
Redeeming love, a love that never dies.
My soul shall sing through-out the endless ages,
With choirs exalting of this great love on high.

From a loving heavenly Father,
To a world that knew Him not,
Came a man of sorrow, Christ, the Lord.
In my wandering He found me,
Touched my life with His great love,
And this Babe has grown to be my sovereign Lord.

Redeeming love, a love that knows no limit.
Redeeming love, a love that never dies.
My soul shall sing through-out the endless ages,
With choirs exalting of this great love on high.

The Gaithers


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: San on December 24, 2011, 07:34:36 PM
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Merry Christmas to all    ::ElfMonkey::    ::santawink::     ::ElfMonkey::

Thanks Magnolia.  Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Here is one of my favorite Christmas songs sung by my favorite recording artist.  She did this live in concert over 40 years ago in Central Park.

MERRY CHRISTMAS


http://www.youtube.com/v/qqrvtUz5MkI?version=3&hl=en_US


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 24, 2011, 07:58:12 PM
MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR MONKEYS

I WONDER HOW URINE IS DOING THIS TIME OF YEAR?

 ::santawink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on December 24, 2011, 08:38:41 PM
MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR MONKEYS

I WONDER HOW URINE IS DOING THIS TIME OF YEAR?

 ::santawink::

Last we heard he's doing some cocaine!   ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on December 24, 2011, 08:39:59 PM
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Merry Christmas to all    ::ElfMonkey::    ::santawink::     ::ElfMonkey::

Thanks Magnolia.  Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Here is one of my favorite Christmas songs sung by my favorite recording artist.  She did this live in concert over 40 years ago in Central Park.

MERRY CHRISTMAS


http://www.youtube.com/v/qqrvtUz5MkI?version=3&hl=en_US

I love her too!  Thanks San!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: sharon on December 25, 2011, 07:28:00 AM
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Merry Christmas to my Monkey friends

Best wishes for a blessed Holiday Season


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Red on December 25, 2011, 08:34:43 AM
To all the Monkeys and our Guest Monkeys ... MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL FROM SCARED MONKEYS …

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/12/25/merry-christmas-2011-from-scared-monkeys-glory-to-the-new-born-king/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 25, 2011, 06:50:14 PM
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Merry Christmas to my Monkey friends

Best wishes for a blessed Holiday Season


DITTO--I am a Monkey of few words. I must be in the 'speak no evil' catagory!  ::MonkeyDevil::  ::MonkeyDevil2::
THANK YOU RED!  ::MonkeyKiss::  ::justice2NJ::  ::boxingjoran:: ::MonkeyHang::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on December 25, 2011, 07:23:27 PM
To all the Monkeys and our Guest Monkeys ... MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL FROM SCARED MONKEYS …

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/12/25/merry-christmas-2011-from-scared-monkeys-glory-to-the-new-born-king/

Thanks Red, Merry Christmas!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on December 26, 2011, 11:36:19 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/41333-buskeda-intensivo-panort-di-aruba.html

Papiamentu translation:

bulto cu much drugs at mouth wariruri

sunday, 25 december 2011 15:42

diadomingo pasco nightfall police owing to wordo send in the area panort of aruba caminda have bultonan of drugs is drief. at once owing to saca helicopter also for so police can haci one buskeda in the area in lama. the patrol on ground owing to come across cu hendenan cu owing to mustranan where the bulto of drugs was. polisnan uniforma owing to as the area one bit sigura for so the buskeda can owing to wordo haci. departamento of drugs also owing to present at the lugar. they did take one bulto cu more or less one overall of 25 kilo of cocaina in various package. on lama the helicopter of police not owing to come across nothing more. here algo owing to go robez in the dropping cu was have. do not first trip cu is achieve bultonan cu is arrive ground. in pasado till even owing to detene person hour cu they owing to fly cu the bultonan mara cu cabuya y swim come ground. kizas have more bulto cu owing to come ground but eseynan if not owing to being achieve. as esun cu owing to come trece the go cune or others owing to happen hand pe y descend at water without calling police. on the photograph can achieve one view of the bulto of drugs carga for two acolyte of the departamento seccion crimen organiza cu is atende cu drugs.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Sleuth on December 26, 2011, 08:33:49 PM
I hope everyone had a Merry Christmas, and has a great new year.   January should be interesting. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 26, 2011, 08:35:38 PM
I hope everyone had a Merry Christmas, and has a great new year.   January should be interesting. 

 ::MonkeyDance::  Sleuth!  It's good to see you!  ITA, January should be interesting indeed~  ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on December 27, 2011, 01:23:56 AM
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Saturday Night @ Confession 24dec'11

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This one's just creepy imo...I think that's Valentijn...top left...   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: 

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on December 27, 2011, 01:42:55 AM
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Ladies night @ Confession 21dec'11

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on December 27, 2011, 09:12:01 AM
Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

01/03/2012 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (THIRD MOTION TO DISMISS ANDREQUEST FOR TERMINATING SANCTIONS)


04/16/2012 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Strike (PLAINTIFFS' EXPERT WITNESSROBERT A. LEONARD)

04/18/2012 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 4-23-2012)

04/23/2012 at 08:33 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on December 27, 2011, 10:47:15 AM
Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on December 27, 2011, 12:44:37 PM
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/dec/25/gift-of-life/

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Vivian Marx is shown on her island cruise shortly before her near-drowning experience.

Gift of life

What began as a dream cruise for Spokane’s Vivian Marx became a medical nightmare after a near-drowning accident

Rebecca Nappi The Spokesman-Review

Jeannine Marx Fruci of Spokane almost died when she was born in 1955. She now knows why she didn’t.

“I was supposed to live to save her,” she says, touching the arm of her mother, Vivian Marx.

And then Fruci cries. Her mom does, too.

This Christmas day tale is part tear-jerker, part horror story – and many parts miracle.

It began the second week in October when Marx, 81, along with a dozen friends from Fairwood Retirement Village in north Spokane, boarded a cruise ship in Florida headed for the Panama Canal. On Oct. 13, the ship docked in Aruba. Marx signed up for an island excursion that included snorkeling.

But Marx had never snorkeled before. Yes, she says now, even 81-year-olds feel peer pressure.

“My mouthpiece didn’t fit, and I didn’t know how to work the fins,” she said. “I got saltwater in (the mouthpiece). That panicked me. Finally, I just got exhausted. The last thing I remembered was looking down and here was this fish and it was like looking into a fishbowl.”

A few hours later, Fruci, 56, who visiting a friend in Oakland, Calif., received a phone call from the Fairwood activities director. She told her that Marx was found floating face-down, her snorkeling equipment beside her.

An off-duty emergency room nurse and doctor who happened to be on the beach that day did CPR for 25 minutes. It finally worked.

Marx sat up on the beach and asked, “What’s going on?”

She was taken by ambulance to the hospital in Aruba. When Fruci talked to her mother by phone “she sounded normal,” Fruci said.

Marx’s travel companions returned to the cruise ship. The ship waited an extra hour so Marx’s belongings could be taken off the ship for later transport to the hospital.

Marx’s companions thought she would be kept under observation for a day or two, and then somehow catch up to the cruise ship.

But when people experience a near drowning, complications don’t often present for several hours. Saltwater insidiously irritates and compromises the lungs; infections set in. The body retains fluid. Organs can shut down.

Within 24 hours, the Marx siblings – Michael, Marie, Martin and Jeannine – knew their mom was in deep trouble. She could barely breathe when she spoke with them on the phone.

Fruci caught a red-eye from Oakland to Atlanta and then onto Aruba, landing on the Caribbean Sea island Oct. 16.

The nurses had warned Fruci that she would not be allowed to see her mother until the evening visiting hour. But the on-duty doctor took mercy on her, and Fruci was secreted into the room.

Marx was on a ventilator, heavily sedated and swollen from fluid retention.

“My mother looked like the Michelin man,” Fruci said. “I didn’t recognize her. I absolutely thought she was going to die.

“I just started whispering in mom’s ear: ‘I’m here. I’m taking you home.’ She started crying, so I knew she heard me.”

Next mission: Get Mom out of Aruba.

Fruci’s sister, Marie, is a former flight attendant whose friends own an air medical evacuation company in the Southwest. The company grandfathered Marx a membership, which slashed the cost of the air evacuation from $35,000 to $18,000.

Fruci’s mom became the talk of Aruba. A taxi driver begged Fruci not to tell the near-drowning story, because “tourism is our only industry.”

The owner of the snorkeling company tracked down Fruci, worried that family members would sue. (They won’t.)

By Oct. 18, all was ready for the air evacuation to Miami. A nurse handed Fruci a bill.

Fruci said, “No, you have to bill my mom’s insurance.”

An administrator then appeared.

“She explained that I have to pay my mother’s bill in full, or they cannot release (her),” Fruci said.

“I said, ‘What would happen if I couldn’t pay?’ She said, ‘Your mother would stay here.’ ”

Fruci called her husband in Spokane. Dave Fruci said, “Pay the bill.”

Fruci handed the administrator a credit card. The charge? Nearly $14,000.

 ::snipping2::

Marx weaned off the ventilator quickly. She and Fruci flew home to Spokane on Oct. 27, two weeks after the near drowning.

Marx then recovered at the Fruci’s home in north Spokane and moved back to her Fairwood apartment just a week ago. Lingering symptoms? A nagging cough and physical balance issues.

Mother and daughter are counting blessings this holiday.

 ::snipping2::

Fruci is grateful for those friends’ prayers, and for her husband, Dave, who handled many of the logistics stateside with his usual competent calm.

She is grateful for her two grown daughters who kept her laughing. (They have nicknamed the adventure: “Aruba Gone Wild.”)

Fruci is also grateful for her siblings.

“Even though I was the only one physically there in Aruba, they were all living it and going through it, too,” she said.

The family greatly appreciates the excellent medical care in Miami, as well as the long-distance help Marx’s doctors provided from Spokane.

Marx is grateful that she doesn’t really remember anything from the fishbowl moment until “waking up” in Miami.

“In Aruba, just faintly, I remember Jeannine,” Marx said. “I knew then I was going to fight to live.”

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 27, 2011, 03:29:11 PM
Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

01/03/2012 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (THIRD MOTION TO DISMISS ANDREQUEST FOR TERMINATING SANCTIONS)


04/16/2012 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Strike (PLAINTIFFS' EXPERT WITNESSROBERT A. LEONARD)

04/18/2012 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 4-23-2012)

04/23/2012 at 08:33 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)



Thanks Klaas.

The same Robert A. Leonard?

Between the outcomes of the Stephany Flores murder case and the Kalpoes defamation lawsuit ... the New Year will prove to be very interesting for those following the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

+++++

ROBERT A. LEONARD, Ph.D

Robert A. Leonard, Ph.D. is Professor of Linguistics at Hofstra University. His specialty is Forensic Linguistics as applied to U.S. law. He directs the Linguistics Program and the Forensic Linguistics Internships. A Fulbright Fellow for his Ph.D. research, he received his B.A. from Columbia College, where he was elected to Phi Beta Kappa, and his M.A., M.Phil., and Ph.D. from Columbia Graduate School, where he was a Faculty Fellow. He is lead researcher at Robert Leonard Associates, a consulting firm.

Leonard’s linguistic specialty of Forensic Linguistics applies the science of linguistic investigation to issues of U.S. law. Forensic Linguistics augments legal analysis by applying rigorous, scientifically accepted principles of analysis to legal evidence like contracts, confessions, and recorded speech.

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http://people.hofstra.edu/robert_a_leonard/


Lawsuit Claim

Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


LOS ANGELES - Two brothers who filed an $800 million defamation suit against Dr. Phil McGraw and CBS over a broadcast concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are already too tarnished to claim libel, according to attorneys for the defendants.

<snipped>

A lawsuit filed in December 2006 by Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe maintains they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil" show, when it was alleged they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her. They also contend the episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body.

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges. In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645

s.t.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on December 27, 2011, 07:17:20 PM
Texasmom, thank you for the article, "Gift of Life."

If not for her family, Vivian could have died in Aruba.  How disappointing that the taxi driver was so concerned about their tourism-based economy over the health and safety of a guest on their island.  Also, it might be a good idea for the hospital and the staff to reevaluate procedures involved in the treatment of accident victims and the bill collections.

Making a note to myself to add medical evacuation to my travel insurance.  That had to be a frightening experience for Vivian and her family!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on December 27, 2011, 07:21:52 PM
http://arubaherald.com/politics/1860-minister-mike-de-meza-on-valero-shut-down-rumor.html

Minister Mike de Meza on Valero shut down rumor       
Monday, 26 December 2011 21:16

In a newspaper interview, Minister of Finance and Energy Mike de Meza said Valero Refinery has not decided to close the Aruba refinery, but the government knows that Valero, like other international corporations, is going through difficulties. He said there were two parallel crises affecting the industry: the financial economic crisis and the energy crisis.

This is causing imbalance on the world market and is a major challenge, he said. The crude prices are affecting product prices, the dynamics are not what they used to be in the past. Different corporations are closing refineries and Valero also has its challenges dealing with the world market situation, according to the minister. He explained that while in the past refineries would purchase crude three to six months in advance, they are at present only making purchases for one month at a time, since forecasts cannot be made for a few months in advance anymore. The minister said that this brings speculation, but he did not want to say that the information is not true, because a decision has not been taken yet. The government is aware that Valero has big challenges, and they are in daily contact with Valero as well as other countries to keep a tab on what is taking place and what the government can possibly do to help and guarantee that the Aruba refinery remains active.   ::snipping2::
 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on December 28, 2011, 11:29:37 PM
 ::justice2NJ::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Anna on December 29, 2011, 01:11:21 AM
That near-drowning story is a horror one!  Imagine holding a person hostage if they can't pay their bill at the hospital.  And imagie if we did that in this country, the money we would save by duress on those who are not citizens here.  That is made worse by the fact that tourists are how Aruba makes its living unlike in this country where we are usually just stuck with the bill anyway.

Obviously, tourists are to be used for income only and if one of them needs something, well make them pay at all costs.

Aruba has learned nothing.


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Post by: grace-land on December 29, 2011, 11:45:07 AM
That near-drowning story is a horror one!  Imagine holding a person hostage if they can't pay their bill at the hospital.  And imagie if we did that in this country, the money we would save by duress on those who are not citizens here.  That is made worse by the fact that tourists are how Aruba makes its living unlike in this country where we are usually just stuck with the bill anyway.

Obviously, tourists are to be used for income only and if one of them needs something, well make them pay at all costs.

Aruba has learned nothing.

 ::rhino::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 29, 2011, 02:33:16 PM
The Beth Holloway Interview
by Rachel Cohen


What prompted you to write the book “Loving Natalee: A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith”?

The writing of the book actually evolved over a period of time. Shortly after this happened to Natalee, I made a pledge that I would share her story with every high school I could, because I hoped that no other family would have to endure the challenges that we faced during our first few weeks in Aruba. I lived in Aruba for about four months while I was searching for her, and during the fifth month, I thought it was time for me to make good on my pledge as Natalee’s case was now in the hands of John Kelly, attorney at law. I began traveling and, over the course of two years, presented personal safety messages to over 20,000 high school and college students in 22 states. During this time I thought, “How could I reach more travelers?” and I started thinking about writing a book.

++++

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament Of Hope And Faith

The True Story of the Aruba Kidnapping and Its Aftermath


By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Publisher: Harperone; 1 edition (Sep 27 2007)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0061452270
ISBN-13: 978-0061452277


s.t.

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway/the-beth-holloway-interview


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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 29, 2011, 02:37:47 PM

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 29, 2011, 02:38:21 PM
 ::justice2NJ::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 29, 2011, 02:40:17 PM
Self Edit - Post #37

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway/the-beth-holloway-interview


Fixed = San


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on December 29, 2011, 07:47:49 PM
That near-drowning story is a horror one!  Imagine holding a person hostage if they can't pay their bill at the hospital.  And imagie if we did that in this country, the money we would save by duress on those who are not citizens here.  That is made worse by the fact that tourists are how Aruba makes its living unlike in this country where we are usually just stuck with the bill anyway.

Obviously, tourists are to be used for income only and if one of them needs something, well make them pay at all costs.

Aruba has learned nothing.

Hi Anna!   ::HelloKitty::

I agree.

I read something in the Aruban papers a while ago about regulations on health care costs.  IIRC something changed at that time that relaxed regulations that had been in place on what tourists could be charged for medical services.  I remember thinking that those costs would probably be determined by how much they thought the particular person would be able to pay...which is scary.  I've looked around a little, but haven't found what I recall reading yet.  If I find it, I'll post it.


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Post by: grace-land on December 30, 2011, 02:27:32 PM
http://noticias.lainformacion.com/mundo/semana-del-lunes-2-al-domingo-8-de-enero-de-2012_vcOs1kvR3MDEMZsOoJ6pB/

Google translation

Week of Monday 2 to Sunday, January 8, 2012
15:10 h | lainformacion.com

 ::snipping2::

FRIDAY, 6

State Funeral of Panama .- three-time president of Panama and the three ousted Arnulfo Arias Madrid, with the transfer of his remains to the Metropolitan Cathedral.

Lima .- begins trial against the Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot, indicted as the alleged perpetrator of the murder of young Peruvian Stephany Flores Ramirez.

Havana .- Press Conference 53 House Literary Prize of the Americas, to be held from 16 to 26 January.

New York .- The New York Hispanic community celebrates the traditional Three Kings parade in downtown Manhattan.

Paris .- IV Symposium New World, with the Italian prime minister, Mario Monti, and finance ministers of Chile, Felipe Larrain, and France, François Baroin.

Vatican City Pope Benedict XVI .- officiating traditional Mass of the Epiphany of the Lord.
Barcelona (Spain) .- Failure Nadal Prize novel.

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Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2011, 03:09:46 PM
http://www.dvdreleases.org/drama/justice-for-natalee-holloway/

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Home » Drama » Justice For Natalee Holloway

Justice For Natalee HollowayBuy DVD

Movie Details:

Release Date: December 6, 2011
Run time: 86 Minutes
Starring: Tracy Pollan, Stephen Amell, Scott Cohen, Grant Show, Amy Gumenick

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Synopsis

As a follow-up to the original movie “Natalee Holloway,” the Lifetime Original Movie “Justice for Natalee Holloway” closes in on the ongoing mystery of what exactly happened to the Alabama teenager who in 2005 mysteriously disappeared during her senior class trip to Aruba.

Four years after Natalee went missing, Joran van der Sloot, the last person to see her alive, continues to torment her grieving mother Beth by providing false information about Natalee’s fate, yet denying any responsibility for what happened to her.




I love that this video was included on the page.   ::MonkeyCool::

I hope everyone will take a few minutes to watch it, even though I know most of us have seen it before...imo it's a great reminder.

 :cry:

We won't give up either!   ::justice2NJ:: for Natalee!

http://youtu.be/G1wkagbyqv4

Uploaded by shonyakay on Apr 5, 2010
Missing since 1:00 a.m. May 30th, 2005

http://www.youtube.com/v/G1wkagbyqv4?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 30, 2011, 05:43:40 PM
Self Edit - Post #37

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway/the-beth-holloway-interview


Fixed = San

Thanks San

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 30, 2011, 05:57:46 PM

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament Of Hope And Faith

The True Story of the Aruba Kidnapping and Its Aftermath


By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Publisher: Harperone; 1 edition (Sep 27 2007)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0061452270
ISBN-13: 978-0061452277



May 26, 2005

I DROVE AWAY WITHOUT KNOWING

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 14-15:  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005.

While Natalee was going to be out of town, Jug was going to his lake house to visit with his family and friends. In our marriage, the second for both of us, we rarely vacationed together. My son, Matt, had made his own plans with friends for the weekend, so it was the perfect time for me to take a much-needed, overdue trip to my family's lake house in Hot Springs, Arkansas. I had not been there in a very long time. Birmingham is about nine hours away, so it was just too long a drive since moving here to make the trip on a regular basis. I was very much looking forward to visiting with my family. Everyone's plans were made.

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things in the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house. It was very dark at that hour, and we were both only half awake. But we did talk some. Small talk. We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, sunscreen, and the like. When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life. The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin. She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag. I got out and walked around the car to help her. She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you! Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied, "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side. I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door. Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked back over my shoulder to see her go inside. The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in. I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside. The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely. It was pitch-black again. I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.


May 30, 2005

THE PROVERBIAL DREADED PHONE CALL

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 23:  Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her.  I take the backseat.  We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon.  Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures.  Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these.  Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi.  Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl.  "Mrs. Twitty?  My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you."  It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent.  She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba.  They are in Birmingham.  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive.  The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever.

s.t.

 :smt049


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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 30, 2011, 05:59:38 PM

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Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2011, 09:02:46 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/95984-financial-setback-tourism-fund-tpef-less-than-expected


Financial setback tourism fund TPEF less than expected         

TUESDAY, 27 DECEMBER 2011 11:59

ORANJESTAD — The parliament continued their discussion today of the supplements and changes in the budget of 2011. From the first question round and answers it appears that the financial setback for the tourism fund Tourism Product Enhancement Fund (TPEF) was less then expected. In addition, more money is needed for the Producto Aruba Program because contractors presented higher quotations for the various infrastructural projects.Minister of Infrastructure Benny Sevinger (AVP) said the aforementioned after answering questions in the first round. The cost estimates of the various contracts appeared too low because contractors presented ‘less competitive prices’, according to him. This is partly due to the government policy to award work to all contractors, said Sevinger. On the other hand, the quotations were higher because several requirements had changed in projects, for instance the streetcar project whereby the clinkers had to meet Dutch standards and were only available in The Netherlands. We also needed to find the correct method to weld the rails, which eventually turned out to be the ‘Haagse method’, and subsequently raising the costs, said Sevinger. For that matter, the extra money for Producto Aruba – 2.3 million florins – comes from the budget that was initially reserved for the aviation.
 

After questions about the setback for the Tourism Product Enhancement Fund (TPEF), Minister of Tourism Otmar Oduber (AVP) said this was less then mentioned in the supplementary budget, which states that the government had expected 1.9 million florins less on revenues. That expectation is based on 2 percent of the tourism tax on time share. There were some problems with the calculation of those revenues, Oduber says now; the setback therefore only appeared to be half the amount, namely 800,000 less than estimated. He eventually expects that the revenues for the privatized tourism bureau ATA this year will also be higher than expected. This means a beginning can be made this year with the so-called contingency fund, an emergency fund for situations or developments that are less favorable. 

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Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2011, 09:53:16 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/95823-om-disclaims-imputations-on-mistakes-made

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Quote
“Although I did not have contact with him on a daily basis, Poentje had always phoned me if something was bugging him. We had maintained contact during his divorce proceedings and immediately after the debacle with the laptop from Claudius Philips. I had a talk with a mutual friend shortly before Castro was shot dead. Poentje was supposedly pressed for money. I also heard that someone in his family had ties with the drug world. I’m not the only one who suspects this could have been a settling of scores linked to this”, says Daryanani.

http://www.24ora.com/den-ambiente/41476-ripitishon-pa-ultimo-biaha-qrecordando-poentje-castroqhopi-interes-na-islanan-bes-via-tds-13-curacao-y-tambe-na-hulanda-via-rtv-7.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.Poentje_Un_Dia_den_Bida.jpg)

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/41304-a-recorda-un-ana-di-asesinato-di-poentje-castro.html

Papiamentu translation:

owing to recorda one year of asesinato of poentje castro

friday, 23 december 2011 21:54

amigonan y family of difunto poentje castro owing to uni in oracion diabierna night at home of his parents in apollostraat where past owing to being throw kill also. his amigonan owing to take away word y at end owing to as one minuut of silencio. his good coleganan of telearuba was present, owing to count ; cu presencia of minister of turism, transporte y job otmar oduber. at the door of the cura, where owing to achieve his curpa without life owing to place some candle. "brother where cu are you, good pasco" was the desire of all his amigonan at end of the night cu the symbolo of "peace" owing to despidi of another.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on December 30, 2011, 10:05:36 PM
Totally off topic ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 30, 2011, 10:30:44 PM
 ::teddybear::

Thanks Klaas.  The clip of this precious baby made my day.

My son and DIL left on Tuesday to return home to the Island after staying for us over Christmas.  I miss them but I reeeaaally miss the my five year old grandson and five month granddaughter.  The baby in the video clip reminded me of NM and ... my arms are aching to hold her once again.

Janet



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Post by: Nut44x4 on December 31, 2011, 12:20:31 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: as I have said every year since Dec 31, 2005 -- May 2012 bring forth the truth for Natalee and bring her home.

Happy New Year everyone..........


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on December 31, 2011, 03:30:10 PM
Justice for Natalee and Stephany in 2012!

Happy New Year to All!  (http://bestsmileys.com/fireworks/5.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 31, 2011, 04:14:34 PM
My wish for 2012 is that justice will be realized for Stephany Flores and the outcome of the defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw implies that that the Kalpoes lose big time.

Happy New Year All!!

:smt041


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2011, 05:32:04 PM
::MonkeyNoNo:: as I have said every year since Dec 31, 2005 -- May 2012 bring forth the truth for Natalee and bring her home.

Happy New Year everyone..........

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Happy New Year!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Lifesong on December 31, 2011, 09:02:35 PM


Happy New Year, Monkeys!

 ::justice2NJ::


 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 31, 2011, 11:31:51 PM


Happy New Year to All.

 ::MonkeyKiss2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2012, 12:38:34 AM
Thank you Red.   ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/12/31/in-memoriam-celebrities-we-lost-in-2011-liz-taylor-james-arness-peter-faulk-steve-jobs-and-our-own-2njsons_mom/

In Memoriam …Celebrities We Lost in 2011: Liz Taylor, James Arness, Peter Faulk, Steve Jobs and our own 2NJSons_Mom

In Memoriam of celebrities we lost in 2011, and one of our own celebs … We say goodbye, but you will never be forgot.  So many of these celebs put a smile on our face and made us enjoy life, especially 2NJSons_Mom.

1.  2NJSons_Mom-  In Loving Memory of 2NJSons_Mom … Sadly in 2011, Scared Monkeys lost one of our own.Loss is always difficult and saying goodbye is especially hard when it is one of your own. She was loved by so many, read the many prayers & tributes. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9480.0
Until we meet again, God Bless.Sadly, we learned over the weekend that 2NJSons_Mom, a long time beloved Scared Monkey and moderator had passed away. The shock of the news was only outdone by the tears. Our hearts and prayers go out to the family and friends of 2NJSons_Mom as we all at Scared Monkeys deal with her loss. As news spread of her passing, Scared Monkeys members expressed their sorrow, tears, condolences and prayers for 2NJSons_Mom and her family. Scared Monkeys would like to thank the family of 2NJSons_Mom for sharing her with us. She was a special person who touched many lives.  You touched so many of us with your character and just being you. The pain of letting you go is only comforted by knowing that Heaven just became a better place and that you are no longer in pain and in eternal peace with The Father.
It is with our deepest sympathies that we say goodbye to 2NJSons_Mom, a special person who helped make Scared Monkeys a special place and the world a better place.  Please know dear God that the memory and spirit of 2NJ’s Son Mom will forever be in our hearts and a part of Scared Monkeys. Until we meet again dear 2NJ’s Son Mom, I only say good bye for now, until we meet again my friend … thank you for making a difference and this world a better place.

With all of our profound sadness and love,

Your family at Scared Monkey … God Bless You and Rest in Peace my Friend.

 ::snipping2::

I still miss her so...  :cry:

::MonkeyAngel::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2012, 02:44:15 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



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Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2012, 02:48:42 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

Justice for Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



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Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2012, 02:52:36 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



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Post by: can on January 01, 2012, 11:10:20 AM
Thank you Red.   ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/12/31/in-memoriam-celebrities-we-lost-in-2011-liz-taylor-james-arness-peter-faulk-steve-jobs-and-our-own-2njsons_mom/

In Memoriam …Celebrities We Lost in 2011: Liz Taylor, James Arness, Peter Faulk, Steve Jobs and our own 2NJSons_Mom

In Memoriam of celebrities we lost in 2011, and one of our own celebs … We say goodbye, but you will never be forgot.  So many of these celebs put a smile on our face and made us enjoy life, especially 2NJSons_Mom.

1.  2NJSons_Mom-  In Loving Memory of 2NJSons_Mom … Sadly in 2011, Scared Monkeys lost one of our own.Loss is always difficult and saying goodbye is especially hard when it is one of your own. She was loved by so many, read the many prayers & tributes. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9480.0
Until we meet again, God Bless.Sadly, we learned over the weekend that 2NJSons_Mom, a long time beloved Scared Monkey and moderator had passed away. The shock of the news was only outdone by the tears. Our hearts and prayers go out to the family and friends of 2NJSons_Mom as we all at Scared Monkeys deal with her loss. As news spread of her passing, Scared Monkeys members expressed their sorrow, tears, condolences and prayers for 2NJSons_Mom and her family. Scared Monkeys would like to thank the family of 2NJSons_Mom for sharing her with us. She was a special person who touched many lives.  You touched so many of us with your character and just being you. The pain of letting you go is only comforted by knowing that Heaven just became a better place and that you are no longer in pain and in eternal peace with The Father.
It is with our deepest sympathies that we say goodbye to 2NJSons_Mom, a special person who helped make Scared Monkeys a special place and the world a better place.  Please know dear God that the memory and spirit of 2NJ’s Son Mom will forever be in our hearts and a part of Scared Monkeys. Until we meet again dear 2NJ’s Son Mom, I only say good bye for now, until we meet again my friend … thank you for making a difference and this world a better place.

With all of our profound sadness and love,

Your family at Scared Monkey … God Bless You and Rest in Peace my Friend.

 ::snipping2::

I still miss her so...  :cry:

::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/GroupHug-1.jpg)

 ::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::justice2NJ::


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Post by: can on January 01, 2012, 11:14:30 AM
texasmom - Happy New Year to you and yours!

Thank you for your steadfast work here and the information you bring!
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: can on January 01, 2012, 11:15:40 AM
Happy New Year Monkeys!

Justice is coming!!!!

 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 01, 2012, 11:54:37 AM
http://www.rnw.nl/espanol/bulletin/per%C3%BA-anuncia-el-juicio-contra-joran-van-der-sloot

Google translation

Peru announced the lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot
Posted on January 1, 2012 - 2:48 pm

LIMA (ANP / RNW) - The Peruvian justice said the case against Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, charged with the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores, will begin next Friday in Lima. Prosecutors said 30 years in prison asked for the defendant and the payment of a fine of around 50 000 euros.

This case is closely followed in Peru, the Netherlands and the United States. In addition to the suspect in the murder of young Flores, Joran van der Sloot also appears as a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway American teenager in Aruba, in May 2005. To date Holloway remains missing.

In his first Van der Sloot confessed to killing Stephany Flores in a hotel room in Lima. As he did in a fit of rage when he saw that she was reading documents Peruvian Natalee Holloway on his laptop.
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 01, 2012, 11:59:34 AM
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/Article/Detail.aspx?articleid=DMF20120101_046

Google translation

Joran van der Sloot in Lima Friday for Judge
Sunday, January 1, 2012, 4:06 p.m.

And a half years after the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores Friday begins the trial of the Dutch suspect Joran van der Sloot. The prosecutor in Lima was already known that he is 30 years imprisonment claims against the 24-year-old. Justice also wants that Van der Sloot pay a fine of 50,000 euros.

The first hearing in the case of Van der Sloot begins at 10 am local time. The media attention will undoubtedly be very large.

In Peru, the Netherlands and the United States, developments surrounding the murder closely followed. Van der Sloot is not only suspect in the murder of 21-year-old Flores, but was rather too emphatically into view as a suspect of involvement in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba on May 30, 2005, exactly five years before the violent death of Flores. Holloway is still missing trace.
 
In previous hearings, Van der Sloot confessed that he has slain Stephany Flores in his hotel room in Lima. He would have acted in a violent emotion, after he saw Flores in his laptop looked at documents on the Holloway case. The trial of Van der Sloot is held in the Lurigancho prison in Lima. This detention center is in the same district where the Castro prison is where Van der Sloot in custody.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 01, 2012, 01:13:31 PM
Grace

Thanks for all the heads ups from Peruvian sources that you afford the Natalee Holloway forum.

Five more sleeps!  I wonder how many more sleeps until a verdict is forthcoming against Joran van der Sloot for the brutal murder of Stephany Flores ... the brutal murder that would not have happened if a corrupt Aruban investigation had not prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

Janet

++++++


THE WRITING WAS ON THE WALL

February 13, 2008

Monkeys Media Reminder … Beth Holloway & Peter R. DeVries on Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio
February 13th, 2008


Beth Holloway:

47:50 - "I feel strongly that he (Joran) is a time bomb that is waiting to go off.  He will strike again.  It is not just for Natalee that I would like to see him behind bars.  I think he has shown us all he has no control over himself or his actions."

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/monkeys-media-reminder-beth-holloway-peter-r-devries-on-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio/


June 11, 2010

Natalee Holloway Suspect Wanted in Peru
Published: 06/11/2010


LATEST DETAILS FROM CBS NEWS:

NEW YORK (CBS) Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch national who has been detained several times in the Natalee Holloway case, has now been named the prime suspect in the murder of a Peruvian girl, according to local reports.

Crimesider has been told that an Aruban prosecutor described van der Sloot as being on the run, but we have been unable to independently confirm it.

Early Wednesday morning, Stephany Flores Ramirez, 21, was found dead in a hotel room in Peru located on the avenue Miraflores district of Lima, Peruvian newspaper El Comercio reports. According to police reports, the girl was brutally stabbed and was found wrapped in a blanket in a pool of blood.

Ramirez was the daughter of racecar driver and well-known businessman Ricardo Flores.

According to Peruvian police, she was last seen with van der Sloot, who has not been located.

According to the Peruvian newspaper, the hotel room where Ramirez's body was found was registered under van der Sloot's name. Hotel employees also told police that they saw him with the girl over the weekend.

Five years ago, in May 2005, Alabama high school student Natalee Holloway disappeared during a senior class trip to Aruba. She was 18 when she was last seen leaving a bar with Joran van der Sloot, who was 17 at the time. He was detained in the case several times but Aruban authorities have said they don't have enough evidence to charge him.

<snipped>

UPDATE: BNO News is reporting the Prosecutor's Office in Aruba has confirmed that Joran Van Der Sloot is a suspect in the death of a Peruvian woman. Interpol has reportedly issued an international arrest warrant.

UPDATE: A police news conference is expected in Peru within the hour to confirm or clarify reports concerning Joran Van Der Sloot's alleged involvement in this murder case. CBS42 will update the story as soon as that information comes in.   

An international news agency is reporting Joran Van Der Sloot is a suspect in the murder of a 21 year old woman in Peru. Van Der Sloot was the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba five years ago.  According to BNO News the victim in this new case is Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez who was found dead this morning after disappearing Friday. Her family says she was last seen leaving a casino with Van Der Sloot.

CBS 42 News will continue to follow this developing story.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Natalee-Holloway-Suspect-Wanted-in-Peru/aX4VxsGyFkiLkrg1pW-65g.cspx

s.t.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 01, 2012, 01:30:28 PM
 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 01, 2012, 02:13:35 PM
Janet    ::HelloKitty:: 

It was good to read that you had an enjoyable Christmas with your family, especially your grand kids!  Our Christmas season doesn't end until the Three Kings come bringing presents to the Infant Jesus this coming Sunday.  So, I have one more Christmas get-together this coming week--the fourth one!

Now, regarding the verdict for Joran.  It seems that the trial will take anywhere from 6 to 18 months! (http://bestsmileys.com/fainting/1.gif)

Quote
The chief of the Superior Court for Peru's capital says the murder trial of Joran van der Sloot should take about six months. An independent expert says it actually might take 18.
 
Van der Sloot is charged with murdering student Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room on May 30.  He also remains the sole suspect in the unresolved 2005 disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba.

Judge Cesar Vega told reporters today that Peruvian laws allow up to six months for murder trial. But legal expert Mario Amoretti tells the Associated Press that in practice, cases like Van der Sloot's can last 18 months.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/peru_court_official_says_van_d.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2012, 02:58:26 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/joran-van-der-sloot-murder-trial-start

Joran van der Sloot murder trial to start

Published on 1 January 2012 - 6:41pm

More about: Joran van der Sloot Natalee Holloway Stephany Flores

Dutchman Joran van der Sloot is to go on trial in the Peruvian capital Lima on Friday. He is accused of murdering Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room on 30 May 2010.

Lima’s Public Prosecutor has announced he will seek a 30-year prison term and a fine of 50,000 euros. The trial, which is expected to attract considerable media coverage, will begin at 10.00 hours local time. The trial will be held in Lima’s Lurigancho prison near the Castro Castro prison where Mr Van der Sloot is on remand.

Questioned by the Peruvian authorities, Mr Van der Sloot admitted killing Ms Flores in his Lima hotel room. He said he acted on a violent impulse when he saw her read documents on his laptop relating to the disappearance of US teenager Natalee Holloway.

The 24-year-old Dutchman is the main suspect in the disappearance Ms Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba in May 2005. He has never been charged due to lack of evidence. Ms Holloway was 18 when she went missing. Ms Flores was 21 when she was killed.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 01, 2012, 03:04:45 PM
Janet    ::HelloKitty:: 

It was good to read that you had an enjoyable Christmas with your family, especially your grand kids!  Our Christmas season doesn't end until the Three Kings come bringing presents to the Infant Jesus this coming Sunday.  So, I have one more Christmas get-together this coming week--the fourth one!

Now, regarding the verdict for Joran.  It seems that the trial will take anywhere from 6 to 18 months! (http://bestsmileys.com/fainting/1.gif)

Quote
The chief of the Superior Court for Peru's capital says the murder trial of Joran van der Sloot should take about six months. An independent expert says it actually might take 18.
 
Van der Sloot is charged with murdering student Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room on May 30.  He also remains the sole suspect in the unresolved 2005 disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba.

Judge Cesar Vega told reporters today that Peruvian laws allow up to six months for murder trial. But legal expert Mario Amoretti tells the Associated Press that in practice, cases like Van der Sloot's can last 18 months.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/peru_court_official_says_van_d.html


6 - 18 months!!!

(http://bestsmileys.com/fainting/1.gif)

One more traditional gathering for us too.  It takes place today in Vancouver at the home of one of hubby's sisters  Eldest son, wife and children left with friends this morning for a Mexican vacation so they will be missing.

I must be getting old.  I am looking forward to life returning to normal.  I wish I could blink ... wiggle my nose and ... the Christmas tree and decorations were instantly in their respective bins in the our storage area.

Grace ... I hope your last Christmas gathering goes well next Sunday.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet
11:55 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 02, 2012, 12:48:21 AM
The articles from the NL state the trial will be followed closely in Peru, Netherlands, and the United States.  It will be interesting to see how much coverage is given in Aruba.  ::MonkeyCool::

http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=10332

Joran van der Sloot murder trial to start
Posted by Aruba Daily on January 1st, 2012

Dutchman Joran van der Sloot is to go on trial in the Peruvian capital Lima on Friday. He is accused of murdering Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room on 30 May 2010. Lima’s Public Prosecutor has announced he will seek a 30-year prison term and a fine of 50,000 euros. The trial, which is expected to attract considerable media coverage, will begin at 10.00 hours local time. The trial will be held in Lima’s Lurigancho prison near the Castro Castro prison where Mr Van der Sloot is on remand.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 02, 2012, 01:33:38 AM
The articles from the NL state the trial will be followed closely in Peru, Netherlands, and the United States.  It will be interesting to see how much coverage is given in Aruba.  ::MonkeyCool::

http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=10332

Joran van der Sloot murder trial to start
Posted by Aruba Daily on January 1st, 2012

Dutchman Joran van der Sloot is to go on trial in the Peruvian capital Lima on Friday. He is accused of murdering Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room on 30 May 2010. Lima’s Public Prosecutor has announced he will seek a 30-year prison term and a fine of 50,000 euros. The trial, which is expected to attract considerable media coverage, will begin at 10.00 hours local time. The trial will be held in Lima’s Lurigancho prison near the Castro Castro prison where Mr Van der Sloot is on remand.

 ::snipping2::


 :scratch:

Definition

remand - the act of sending an accused person back into custody to await trial (or the continuation of the trial)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Anna on January 02, 2012, 01:36:40 AM
HAPPY NEW YEAR!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::monkeywine2:: ::MonkeyDance::


I notice that Aruba continues to call Joran "Dutchman" in their lame attempt to distance from him.  At long last, we will actually see him in a court of law even if for a different crime, one that never would have happened had Aruba done the right thing.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 02, 2012, 02:03:09 AM
The articles from the NL state the trial will be followed closely in Peru, Netherlands, and the United States.  It will be interesting to see how much coverage is given in Aruba.  ::MonkeyCool::

http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=10332

Joran van der Sloot murder trial to start
Posted by Aruba Daily on January 1st, 2012

Dutchman Joran van der Sloot is to go on trial in the Peruvian capital Lima on Friday. He is accused of murdering Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room on 30 May 2010. Lima’s Public Prosecutor has announced he will seek a 30-year prison term and a fine of 50,000 euros. The trial, which is expected to attract considerable media coverage, will begin at 10.00 hours local time. The trial will be held in Lima’s Lurigancho prison near the Castro Castro prison where Mr Van der Sloot is on remand.

 ::snipping2::


 :scratch:

Definition

remand - the act of sending an accused person back into custody to await trial (or the continuation of the trial)

No worry.  He is being held in prison in custody awaiting trial/continuation of the trial until he is sentenced to 30 years in prison.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 02, 2012, 02:05:56 AM
HAPPY NEW YEAR!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::monkeywine2:: ::MonkeyDance::


I notice that Aruba continues to call Joran "Dutchman" in their lame attempt to distance from him.  At long last, we will actually see him in a court of law even if for a different crime, one that never would have happened had Aruba done the right thing.

 ::rhino::

Happy New Year to you and your family!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2012, 02:51:07 AM
HAPPY NEW YEAR!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::monkeywine2:: ::MonkeyDance::

I notice that Aruba continues to call Joran "Dutchman" in their lame attempt to distance from him.  At long last, we will actually see him in a court of law even if for a different crime, one that never would have happened had Aruba done the right thing.

And this trial would have never happened if this crime had been committed in Aruba, Stephany's brutal murder probably would have been ruled suicide.

jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2012, 02:52:47 AM
This comment was posted to one of the Robyn Gardner articles from August.

http://arubaherald.com/court/779-attorney-michael-lopez-and-client-did-not-expect-the-case-to-become-so-complicated.html

 ::snipping2::

written by Len Galli , November 29, 2011
On Nov 10th I was staying at the RIU hotel when I was attached in my hotel by 2 burglars. The police came to investigate the incident. The hotel is not doing anything at this point. I am a US citizen and would like to contact an attorney to find out my rights.

Any help would appeciated.

Thank You
Len Galli   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2012, 04:48:11 AM
Happy New Year!! I was in Las Vegas over the new year and saw that there is a Carlos & Charlie's going in at the Flamingo...It might be worth some research.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 02, 2012, 09:37:43 AM
Happy New Year!! I was in Las Vegas over the new year and saw that there is a Carlos & Charlie's going in at the Flamingo...It might be worth some research.

Hi KTF!  I'm rather surprised because CnC isn't as upscale as Vegas usually does things.  The Flamingo is a dying hotel/casino though IMO and are likely unable to attracted a higher quality nightclub.

http://lasvegasblog.harrahs.com/las-vegas-restaurant/first-look-inside-carlosn-charlies-at-flamingo-vegas/ (http://lasvegasblog.harrahs.com/las-vegas-restaurant/first-look-inside-carlosn-charlies-at-flamingo-vegas/)

http://www.vegastripping.com/news/news.php?news_id=4129 (http://www.vegastripping.com/news/news.php?news_id=4129)

 RockChickX51 posted on Thursday, 30th June 2011 - 6:51 am

Hahahaha both times I've been to Mexico the day has ended at Senor Frogs and/or Carlos and Charlies. Lets just say on my Mexico trip back in February I ended up with no pants at Senor Frogs (which I didn't know TI had one of). This should be great, bring tacky Mexican flare (you don't go for the food you go for the atmosphere) to the Vegas strip. Hopefully they'll hire REAL Mexicans to work it and not some lame white guy trying his best to hold a Mexican accent.

http://www.vegashotelnews.com/2011/07/carlosn-charlies-coming-to-flamingo.html (http://www.vegashotelnews.com/2011/07/carlosn-charlies-coming-to-flamingo.html)

 ::snipping2::

Carlos'n Charlie's is owned by the same company as another premiere Mexican watering hole, Señor Frog's, which is also opening a location in Las Vegas later this year at Treasure Island.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 02, 2012, 12:04:34 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.nieuwsvannederland.nl/nieuws/46290/entertainment/bijzonder_interview_van_der_sloot_bij_rtl_crime.html

Google translation

Van der Sloot special interview with RTL Crime
January 2, 2012

AMSTERDAM (NEWS OF THE NETHERLANDS) - Following the trial of Joran van der Sloot on Friday, January 6 starts, sends RTL Crime Tuesday, January 3 at 20:00 the interview that crime reporter John van den Heuvel in September 2010 with the 24-year-old Dutchman accused of killing him. Van den Heuvel said Van der Sloot back in the maximum security prison in Lima, Peru. It was the first time that a journalist managed to the world famous Van der Sloot extensively to speak on camera. John van den Heuvel of the interview: "As a crime reporter, I speak frequently with people of serious crimes are suspected. Yet it was the interview with Joran van der Sloot special, especially because so much attention to the murders he had committed. In the prison I found someone who barely seemed to understand what he had done. the compassion he spoke to the family of the murdered girl Stephany Flores was not sincere, but seemed rather whispered through his lawyer. "Van der Sloot is suspected of involvement in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the murder of Stephany Flores. on Friday, January 6 start the process against Van der Sloot in the Lurigancho prison in Lima. is it 'murder followed by robbery, "was charged. John van den Heuvel: "I expect him for the murder of Stephany Flores receives at least twenty years. Or the mystery surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will ever be solved is very questionable. Joran alone knows the answer."   ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 02, 2012, 07:23:23 PM
Four more sleeps!!

 ::piggy::
Will the American media be in Peru covering this trial will it be relying on released updates by the Peruvian press?

It appears that for some time ... Dutch and American media reports in English on recent happenings encompassing the Stephany Flores case are repeats of the googled translation of Pervian publications that Grace has provided.

Janet

+++++ 



Van der Sloot trial Friday
Published: 1/01 5:01 pm
Updated: 1/01 5:19 pm

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-trial-Friday/oc3OEdRGJke6t6ARN0kFiQ.cspx


Joran van der Sloot murder trial to start
Published on 1 January 2012 - 6:41pm

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/joran-van-der-sloot-murder-trial-start


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 02, 2012, 09:44:18 PM
Reminder - tomorrow:

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

01/03/2012 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (THIRD MOTION TO DISMISS ANDREQUEST FOR TERMINATING SANCTIONS)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 02, 2012, 10:00:26 PM
Reminder - tomorrow:

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

01/03/2012 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (THIRD MOTION TO DISMISS ANDREQUEST FOR TERMINATING SANCTIONS)

Thanks Klaas.

Considering the judge has failed to comply with past motions to dismiss the defamation lawsuit over the years ... past motions that were filed by Phil McGraw's attorneys ... I have a sinking feeling that the Kalpoes' attorneys have convinced the court that related Natalee Holloway case documents are not relevant to the the lawsuit.  In other words ... the disputed segment of the Dr. Phil recording will stand alone.

I could be wrong and ... if I am ... tomorrow I will be rejoicing while I wolf down an entire humble pie.

Janet

++++++

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


<snipped>

KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2012, 10:57:13 PM
Reminder - tomorrow:

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

01/03/2012 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (THIRD MOTION TO DISMISS ANDREQUEST FOR TERMINATING SANCTIONS)

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 03, 2012, 12:41:41 PM
Barack Obama & Eric Holder Make Judicial Watch’s 2011 List of 10 Most Corrupt Washington, DC Politicians

<snipped>

TOP 10 LIST that One Does Not Want to be On

Rep. Spencer Bachus (R-AL)
•Former Senator John Ensign (R-NV)
•Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-FL)
•Attorney General Eric Holder
•Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-IL)
•President Barack Obama
•Rep. Laura Richardson (D-CA)
•Rep. David Rivera (R-FL)
•Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA)
•Rep. Don Young (R-AK)

Posted January 3, 2012 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/01/03/barack-obama-eric-holder-make-judicial-watchs-2011-list-of-10-most-corrupt-washington-dc-politicians/

++++++

Spencer Bachus - The Natalee Holloway Case

February 11, 2009 6:55 PM
U.S. Rep. Discusses Natalee


(AP) Rep. Spencer Bachus said he came away from a Friday meeting with Aruban officials with the sense that they plan to vigorously pursue leads in the disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway.

Bachus, R-Ala., whose district includes Mountain Brook, where Holloway is from, divulged little about the substance of the meeting, saying only it was a "frank and open discussion" and that Aruban authorities have devoted "tremendous resources" to the case.

"Their intention going forward ... is not to shut this case down, but to continue to pursue it vigorously," Bachus told reporters. "They do not consider it a closed case nor do they consider that they have a dead end. They continue to develop information and pursue leads."

Bachus and Alabama officials would not comment on exactly what Richardson, Aruban police analyst Renato Emerencia and Aruban attorney Arlene Ellis Schipper told them about.

<snipped>

Holloway's family initially praised Aruban authorities for their work on the case, but they recently turned critical, alleging incompetence and conflicts of interest. The governors of Alabama, Arkansas and Georgia have called for a boycott of travel to Aruba to protest the way the case has been handled.

John Quinlan Kelly, a New York-based attorney for the Holloway family, said Natalee Holloway's parents wanted him to attend the meeting, but the lawmaker's office told Holloway's family the Arubans objected to that.

"They've (Aruban authorities) indicated they're still investigating," Kelly said by telephone Friday. "We'll wait to see if there are any answers or prosecution resulting from that investigation."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/16/politics/main1134653.shtml


On the Record w/ Greta - December 16, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Your gut reaction from the meeting?  Do you feel confident this is the right team to be leading the investigation or would you like to see some changes?

SPENCER BACHUS: It’s a small island and they are handicapped by their experience.  But I was impressed with what they had done…at least the work product.  I have seen cases…I’ve been to hired to prosecute murder cases where there is almost no file. I will say that the resources that have been devoted to this case are really probably more substantial than most murder cases here in the United States.

<snipped>

BACHUS: I don’t have any criticism of them...

Transcript: sunmoonstars

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2012, 01:22:00 PM
http://www.countercurrents.org/hamer030112.htm   

Someone needs to Baker act that beotch, SERIOUSLY!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

She doesn't have a clue.

His ISSUES were there LONG BEFORE he ever laid eyes on Natalee Holloway.

THEY STARTED AT HOME.

That's why Joran van der Sloot felt ENTITLED to rob Natalee Holloway of her inalienable HUMAN RIGHTS.  And then TORMENT her parents FOR YEARS after his crimes against her.

If she wants to blame anyone for the obvious hatred of Joran in society, she needs to blame everyone that "helped" him and the others involved in Natalee's disappearance escape Justice, and HIS OWN CHOICES afterward; including the brutal murder of another innocent victim.

ANITA NEEDS TO TELL MARY THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH; and stop this madness.

She is not helping her son.

If Mary Hamer has ANY true sense of HUMANITY, she will be instrumental in NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S return to her family and her country.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT HAS THE ANSWERS, MARY; TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT!
But as you are surely aware, the price has probably gone up.


 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

jmho




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 03, 2012, 04:18:25 PM
Reminder - tomorrow:

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

01/03/2012 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (THIRD MOTION TO DISMISS ANDREQUEST FOR TERMINATING SANCTIONS)

I have been checking the forum, on-line media sources and my email and ... nothing regarding the outcome of this morning's hearing.

 :smt026

Janet
1:15 PM PT





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 04, 2012, 12:31:56 AM
http://pulitzerandthompson.com/joran-van-der-sloot-trial-to-begin-on-january-6-2012/

Joran van der Sloot trial to begin on January 6, 2012

The long awaited murder trial of Joran van der Sloot is finally upon us.  On Friday, January 6, the young Dutchman will stand judgment before a three judge panel in a special courtroom within the walls of Lima’s Lurigancho Prison.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2012, 03:11:22 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 04, 2012, 01:20:47 PM
http://www.revu.nl/2012/01/04/de-suikertante-van-joran-van-der-sloot/

Google translation

The aunt of Joran van der Sloot
Written on January 4, 2012 by New Revue

Next Friday is "her" Joran up in Lima. The perpetual suspect Joran van der Sloot is suspected of robbery. Sugar Aunt Mary Hammer supports van der Sloot with money, equipment and visits during his stay in prison. New Revue in Hammer talks this week about its influence on the matter. "When I talk with the media, Joran is punished." Hamer says that Van der Sloot would receive drugs that are administered not good for him.

According to Van der Sloot's lawyer, the Tag a lot different. Jose Jimenez believes that Hammer's book goes beyond its various accusing fingers. Moreover, he claims that Van der Sloot well treated in prison. "Statements by Mary Hamer cause an uncomfortable feeling, not only with Joran, but also to the prison."

And Van der Sloot himself? Is he happy with the actions of his mysterious sugarmommy? According to Jose Jimenez did. "Recently he said to me that I had to do her best regards."


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Post by: grace-land on January 04, 2012, 01:28:24 PM
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/2707166/joran-wordt-goed-behandeld-in-gevangenis.html

Google translation

"Joran is treated well in jail '
Last Updated: January 4, 2012 1:28 p.m.

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot in his new lawyer Jose Jimenez exactly well treated in Castro Castro prison.

Van der Sloot is caught in the infamous prison in Peru on suspicion of murdering the Peruvian Stephany Flores. And a half years after the murder Friday begins the trial of the 24-year-old Dutchman.

According to his lawyer Van der Sloot behave calmly in prison and he shows good behavior. "It's also not true that drug dealing in jail." This tells the magazine Nieuwe Revu Jimenez, which he reacts to statements by Joran American admirer Mary Hammer.

Poisoned

According to Hammer, Van der Sloot in jail is not properly treated. So he would be poisoned. They also find that his rights are violated. Hammer came in October last year emerged as the "aunt" Van der Sloot.

She would help him financially for his defense and his toiletries, vitamins and medication control.

 ::snipping2::

Friday begins the thing really, with an unchanged charge: against Van der Sloot will be 30 years imprisonment and a fine of 50,000 euros converted are required, because premeditated murder.

During his trial, several witnesses will be heard, including the owners of the hotel in which Van der Sloot would have killed the girl.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 04, 2012, 02:30:26 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Van der Sloot "guardian angel" conjures up crime of "humanocide"
Published: 6:22 am
Updated: 6:46 am


Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  Officially the trial scheduled to start in Lima, Peru on Friday is pretty straight forward...after all a corpse was found in Joran van der Sloot's hotel room and he confessed to killing the young woman.

But if little is straightforward in the van der Sloot saga, it gets even more strange when some of his supporters get involved.

We've told you about Mary Hamer, the American radiologist who considers herself van der Sloot's "guardian angel".

Not content with financial and emotional supprt, the Florida doctor with Alabama ties has come up with an new international crime and claims van der Sloot is the classic victim.

Hamer calls the crime "Humanocide."  Writing on the website Countercurrents.org Hamer defines humanocide as  "2 or more People in power who conspire to destroy a targeted person, either mentally &/or physically."

Hamer goes on to a lengthy list of alleged "humanocide" grievances visited upon van der Sloot.  Here are just a few. ....

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-guardian-angel-conjures-up-crime-of/Zggq3_cyUUyHZMejefM6tg.cspx


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Post by: klaasend on January 04, 2012, 05:36:13 PM
Motion denied BUT    ::justice2NJ::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/MotionFiled0103121.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/MotionFiled0103122.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/MotionFiled0103123.jpg)

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Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2012, 05:53:08 PM
Thanks Klaas, and anonymous monkey that purchases the documents for us!   ::MonkeyKiss::



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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 04, 2012, 06:18:14 PM
Thanks Klaas.

I wish that ... at the very least ... the Los Angeles media sources afforded this lawsuit some coverage.

I am thankful that the Kalpoes received monetary sanction to the tune of $52,500 but ... I hope that this time around the judge is serious and the defamation lawsuit will be dismissed on Friday if the Kalpoes' attorneys fail to comply with the court's instructions.  I cannot comprehend why this lawsuit was not dismissed a long times ago if the failure to produce Natalee Holloway case documents was the issue.

Klaas ... thanks again.

Janet

++++++


Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
Date: Wednesday Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET


LOS ANGELES — A California judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, lawyer for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward Ferns. "I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

<snipped>

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and disposed of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, lawyers for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling.

"There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

<snipped>

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206/

s.t.


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Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2012, 06:49:09 PM
I don't think there are any LUCKY CHARMS at the end of the rainbow for those two leprechauns..




 ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 04, 2012, 07:07:05 PM
I don't think there are any LUCKY CHARMS at the end of the rainbow for those two leprechauns..




 ::MonkeyShovel::

Hi Keepthefaith

 ::HelloKitty::

I know beyond a doubt that there will be a day of reckoning at "the end of the rainbow" for all those who participated in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 as well as those who were involved in the coverup ... the coverup that has prevented earthly justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.  However ... I also desire another day of reckoning to take place on this side of the rainbow.

Janet

++++++


CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Aired August 18, 2005


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  TWITTY: Well, I mean, we've known from day one that Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this crime with Natalee.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/18/lkl.01.html
 



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Post by: Keepthefaith on January 04, 2012, 07:11:07 PM
How are you Tamikosmom? Their day of reckoning will come when they are of no value to anyone anymore. I still laugh at these Law offices that actually took this case. They must be getting some GREAT BANKING down on devils island. No other way to cut it...Offshore accounts are where it's at. Ask our green friend the frog :-) Ribbit.. ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: grace-land on January 04, 2012, 10:40:39 PM
Video at link ... breaking news

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2012/01/04/exp-spr-joran-van-der-sloot-strategy.hln

Joran van der Sloot to plead guilty?

Added On January 4, 2012
Joran van der Sloot's attorney says his client will plead guilty to simple homicide in the death of Stephany Flores.
www.HLNtv.com/PrimeNews


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Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2012, 11:10:05 PM
Video at link ... breaking news

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2012/01/04/exp-spr-joran-van-der-sloot-strategy.hln

Joran van der Sloot to plead guilty?

Added On January 4, 2012
Joran van der Sloot's attorney says his client will plead guilty to simple homicide in the death of Stephany Flores.
www.HLNtv.com/PrimeNews


I hope they don't accept his pleas if that's what the plan is.

It wasn't just robbery and simple homicide.

That's not Justice for Stephany.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

jmo


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 04, 2012, 11:36:38 PM
Video at link ... breaking news

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2012/01/04/exp-spr-joran-van-der-sloot-strategy.hln

Joran van der Sloot to plead guilty?

Added On January 4, 2012
Joran van der Sloot's attorney says his client will plead guilty to simple homicide in the death of Stephany Flores.
www.HLNtv.com/PrimeNews


Thanks Grace.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Could it be that by pleading guilty to the lesser charges put forward by the prosecutor at the getgo ... Joran will avoid a trial ... a trial that could possibly result higher charges as implied by the family attorney?

Janet

++++++
 

November 22, 2011
Joran van der Sloot indicted on murder and robbery
Posted: 01:40 PM ET


<snipped>

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro tells In Session this was a big win for his client. If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

The Flores family remains hopeful this will not be the case. An attorney for the family tells In Session under the Peruvian justice system the charges could change once the trial begins.

"We can ask the Prosecutor to modify the indictment as new facts come out during the trial, but on the first day of trial we expect Van der Sloot to plead guilty to both charges. It seems this will be in his best interest,“ the attorney said.

<snipped>

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/22/joran-van-der-sloot-indicted-on-murder-and-robbery/


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Post by: grace-land on January 05, 2012, 12:57:11 AM
Video at link (in Spanish).  Also, I'm unable to access the entire article.

http://diariocorreo.pe/ciudad/lima/

Google translation

January 4, 2012 | 11:03 p.m.Ciudad
Van Der Sloot asked to annul Commission investigation against

Lima - The defense of Dutch citizen Joran Van Der Sloot appeared before the Human Rights Commission a request to cancel the police investigation into the murder of the student Stephany Flores, 2010.De occurred in May according to (...)


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Post by: grace-land on January 05, 2012, 01:32:29 AM
Home Page of Inter-American Commission of Human Rights, Organization of American States.  Provides an explanation and many links.

http://www.cidh.oas.org/DefaultE.htm

Inter-American Commission of Human Rights
1889 F Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C., 20006
U.S.A.


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Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2012, 01:53:15 AM
Video at link (in Spanish).  Also, I'm unable to access the entire article.

http://diariocorreo.pe/ciudad/lima/

Google translation

January 4, 2012 | 11:03 p.m.Ciudad
Van Der Sloot asked to annul Commission investigation against

Lima - The defense of Dutch citizen Joran Van Der Sloot appeared before the Human Rights Commission a request to cancel the police investigation into the murder of the student Stephany Flores, 2010.De occurred in May according to (...)


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01042012.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 05, 2012, 01:57:59 AM
Thank you, Texasmom.  ::MonkeyKiss::


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Post by: grace-land on January 05, 2012, 02:37:09 AM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/11240786/__Joran_naar_gevreesde_inrichting__.html?sn=binnenland

Google translation

January 5, 2012, 05:30
Joran feared to design
by John van den Heuvel

LIMA - The Prisons Service in Peru prepares for a transfer Joran for the dreaded Challapalcagevangenis, also known as the "Siberia of Peru" mentioned.

 ::snipping2::

The infamous Challapalcagevangenis lies in a desolate, barely accessible area near the border with Bolivia. The prison stands next to a military base, at an altitude of 4500 meters, and to the icy climate or the "Siberia of Peru" mentioned.

During the trial, in which Van der Sloot on the advice of his attorney fails to appear very likely, given the Dutchman also told that the United States last month a formal request for extradition have done. The Americans want to sue Joran at home scams on the Holloway family. Justice in the U.S. is negotiating with Peru to him immediately after his trial in Lima to America and try him there.

After the American Joran process would then be returned to Peru to where his sentence for the murder of Stephany to sit. Subsequently, Van der Sloot therefore probably a year long sentence in America to undergo.


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Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2012, 02:52:57 AM
Thank you, Texasmom.  ::MonkeyKiss::


You're welcome grace-land!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2012, 03:03:54 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2012, 03:09:20 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2012, 09:25:32 AM
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyGavel::

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/dutch-press-review-thursday-5-january-2012 (http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/dutch-press-review-thursday-5-january-2012)

Joran sent to Peru’s Siberia
Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who is being held in Peru for the murder of Peruvian woman Stephany Flores, can expect a couple of unpleasant surprises, writes De Telegraaf. The prison authorities have requested a transfer from the notorious prison in Lima to the even more notorious Challapalca prison.

This prison lies at an altitude of 4,500 meters in an inhospitable region near the Bolivian border - Peru’s Siberia. There is a little light at the end of the tunnel. When his trial - which begins tomorrow - ends, he will return to Lima to sit out what is expected to be a long sentence.

In addition, the US authorities have officially filed for his extradition for the extortion of the parents of US teenager Natalee Holloway who disappeared over five and a half years ago. So once he has sat out what is expected to be a long sentence, he can look forward to a taste of American justice.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 05, 2012, 10:05:16 AM
::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyGavel::

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/dutch-press-review-thursday-5-january-2012 (http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/dutch-press-review-thursday-5-january-2012)

Joran sent to Peru’s Siberia
Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who is being held in Peru for the murder of Peruvian woman Stephany Flores, can expect a couple of unpleasant surprises, writes De Telegraaf. The prison authorities have requested a transfer from the notorious prison in Lima to the even more notorious Challapalca prison.

This prison lies at an altitude of 4,500 meters in an inhospitable region near the Bolivian border - Peru’s Siberia. There is a little light at the end of the tunnel. When his trial - which begins tomorrow - ends, he will return to Lima to sit out what is expected to be a long sentence.

In addition, the US authorities have officially filed for his extradition for the extortion of the parents of US teenager Natalee Holloway who disappeared over five and a half years ago. So once he has sat out what is expected to be a long sentence, he can look forward to a taste of American justice.


I'm picturing Joran in a freezing cold cell in Callapalca prison.  (http://bestsmileys.com/cold/7.gif)  This is a far cry from lolling around poolside and at the beach with a smirk on his face.   If Joran gets moved to Callapalca prison, wouldn't this possibly make it more costly, time consuming and all around more difficult for visitors or even media to go there?


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Post by: trimmonthelake on January 05, 2012, 11:47:19 AM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-to-U-S-after-trial-in-Peru/T_Uj6V4ml0qkYGmkLUlFZA.cspx
Van der Sloot to U.S. after trial in Peru?
Published: 8:02 am Updated: 8:15 am

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  Will a murder conviction for Joran van der Sloot lead to an icy cell in an area known as the Siberia of Peru...or to an even less hospitable extradition to face legal charges in Alabama? ::snipping2::
 ::boxingjoran::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2012, 12:05:09 PM
Lima ready for Joran van der Sloot trial
Published on : 5 January 2012 - 4:17pm


The trial of Dutchman Joran van der Sloot in the Peruvian capital Lima is scheduled to begin on Friday. The 24-year-old is on trial for the murder and robbery of Stephany Flores. If found guilty, he faces a 30-year prison sentence.

Right up until the last minute the parents of the murdered woman tried to get the charges changed to “premeditated murder”, so he would be put away for life. The court, however, has rejected their requests.

At 10 a.m. local time, the trial will convene in a court room of the former Lurigancho prison, where Van der Sloot has been held on remand since his arrest in June. This jail, which used to hold gangsters, terrorists and political prisoners, has now been renamed the San Pedro prison.

The trial is being seen as one of the many cases against serious criminals. As a result, the gutter press has gone to town on the “monster of Holland” story, while the serious media have given the case little or no coverage.

Premeditated murder
Van der Sloot has admitted to picking the 21-year-old Stephany Flores up in a casino in Lima and killing her in May 2010. He could be jailed for 28 years for the killing. For taking the young woman’s credit cards and money, the court may add another two years.

Under the Peruvian legal system Van der Sloot could be released from prison after sitting out one third of his sentence, so the parents of the victim tried to force the Public Prosecution Office to charge him with premeditated murder.

Unlawful deportation?
A possible complication in the trial is the role Chile played in the case. Immediately after the killing, Van der Sloot fled in a car to Peru’s southern neighbour, where he was soon arrested and deported back to Peru. His lawyer Aldo Cotrino – who operates from New York – says the deportation was unlawful and “contravened human rights”.

A few weeks ago, he filed a complaint against the Chilean authorities at the Inter-American Commission for Human Rights in Washington, demanding 13 million US dollars in compensation.

<snipped>

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/lima-ready-joran-van-der-sloot-trial


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Post by: grace-land on January 05, 2012, 12:06:04 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/lima-ready-joran-van-der-sloot-trial

Lima ready for Joran van der Sloot trial
Published on : 5 January 2012 - 4:17pm | By RNW News Desk

The trial of Dutchman Joran van der Sloot in the Peruvian capital Lima is scheduled to begin on Friday. The 24-year-old is on trial for the murder and robbery of Stephany Flores. If found guilty, he faces a 30-year prison sentence.

Right up until the last minute the parents of the murdered woman tried to get the charges changed to “premeditated murder”, so he would be put away for life. The court, however, has rejected their requests.

At 10 a.m. local time, the trial will convene in a court room of the former Lurigancho prison, where Van der Sloot has been held on remand since his arrest in June. This jail, which used to hold gangsters, terrorists and political prisoners, has now been renamed the San Pedro prison.

The trial is being seen as one of the many cases against serious criminals. As a result, the gutter press has gone to town on the “monster of Holland” story, while the serious media have given the case little or no coverage.

Premeditated murder
Van der Sloot has admitted to picking the 21-year-old Stephany Flores up in a casino in Lima and killing her in May 2010. He could be jailed for 28 years for the killing. For taking the young woman’s credit cards and money, the court may add another two years.

Under the Peruvian legal system Van der Sloot could be released from prison after sitting out one third of his sentence, so the parents of the victim tried to force the Public Prosecution Office to charge him with premeditated murder.

Unlawful deportation?
A possible complication in the trial is the role Chile played in the case. Immediately after the killing, Van der Sloot fled in a car to Peru’s southern neighbour, where he was soon arrested and deported back to Peru. His lawyer Aldo Cotrino – who operates from New York – says the deportation was unlawful and “contravened human rights”.

A few weeks ago, he filed a complaint against the Chilean authorities at the Inter-American Commission for Human Rights in Washington, demanding 13 million US dollars in compensation.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: grace-land on January 05, 2012, 12:11:20 PM
Sorry for duplicate of the article, Janet.  Lima is ready to deal with Joran!  Let's hope for the best sentence!  Justice for Stephany!  ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2012, 12:16:03 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-to-U-S-after-trial-in-Peru/T_Uj6V4ml0qkYGmkLUlFZA.cspx
Van der Sloot to U.S. after trial in Peru?
Published: 8:02 am Updated: 8:15 am

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  Will a murder conviction for Joran van der Sloot lead to an icy cell in an area known as the Siberia of Peru...or to an even less hospitable extradition to face legal charges in Alabama? ::snipping2::
 ::boxingjoran::

trimmonthelake

Could it be that CBS42 something go lost in translation?

Janet

+++++

Dutch Press Review Thursday 5 January 2012
Published on : 5 January 2012 - 10:55am


<snipped>

In addition, the US authorities have officially filed for his extradition for the extortion of the parents of US teenager Natalee Holloway who disappeared over five and a half years ago. So once he has sat out what is expected to be a long sentence, he can look forward to a taste of American justice.

<snipped>

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/dutch-press-review-thursday-5-january-2012


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Post by: KittyMom on January 05, 2012, 12:18:24 PM
I keep hoping that he'll finally find a place where he can't bribe his way into comfort.  I'd love to hear that he gets fed one cold meal a day, has worms, and is treated the way he's always treated females.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2012, 12:28:32 PM
Sorry for duplicate of the article, Janet.  Lima is ready to deal with Joran!  Let's hope for the best sentence!  Justice for Stephany!  ::justice2NJ::



Grace

If Joran van der Sloot pleads guilty to the lesser charges tomorrow ... the lesser charges brought forward by the Peruvian prosecution ... serving ten years out of a thirty year sentence cannot be considered real justice for Stephany.  Thankfully ... the extortion charges await in the States at the end of that period.

Janet

+++++++ 

November 22, 2011
Joran van der Sloot indicted on murder and robbery
Posted: 01:40 PM ET


<snipped>

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro tells In Session this was a big win for his client. If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

The Flores family remains hopeful this will not be the case. An attorney for the family tells In Session under the Peruvian justice system the charges could change once the trial begins.

"We can ask the Prosecutor to modify the indictment as new facts come out during the trial, but on the first day of trial we expect Van der Sloot to plead guilty to both charges. It seems this will be in his best interest,“ the attorney said.

<snipped>

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/22/joran-van-der-sloot-indicted-on-murder-and-robbery/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2012, 12:33:43 PM
I keep hoping that he'll finally find a place where he can't bribe his way into comfort.  I'd love to hear that he gets fed one cold meal a day, has worms, and is treated the way he's always treated females.

 ::rhino::


Ricardo Flores

November 10, 2010

Google Translation

FLORES FAMILY SAY JORAN LIVES LIKE KING


Stepahany Flores was murdered on 30 May in a hotel room, which hosts the Dutch Joran Van derSloot. Who is the prime suspect in the death of the young.

Everything indicates that the murderer would derSloot Van Stephany, because a video shows that he was the last to see her alive and enter the room where he was brutally murdered.

However, the family of the victim shows his great reproach to the Peruvian justice system, noting that Joran lives "like a king in jail."

"It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals," said Ricardo Flores outraged father of the girl killed.

He added that it's been six months since the detention of the Dutch and "until this day refuses to give his statement to the judge," he said to a local television station in Lima.

"Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them." Flores said indignantly.

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8719.msg1259600;topicseen#msg1259600


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Post by: grace-land on January 05, 2012, 12:46:32 PM
Just a friendly reminder regarding the charge against Joran as explained by a Peruvian lawyer specializing in criminal law.

Quote
Mario Amoretti, a Peruvian lawyer specializing in criminal law, said the public had expected prosecutors would try for a stiffer sentence against Van der Sloot but had to scale back their plans because of sentencing guidelines for murders in which robbery could be the primary motive.
 
"In the Van der Sloot case, the Supreme Court has arranged the following - that he be tried and get no more than 30 years for premeditated homicide. And that he not be tried for aggravated robbery resulting in death, which would merit life in prison. Because under our laws, something incredible, says that if I kill someone to rob them the penalty carries minimum of 15 years and a maximum of 35. If I rob someone and as a result of the robbery someone is killed [by accident], the penalty is life imprisonment. It is unbelievable but that is how our legislation is. And, according to the investigation that has been carried out, it concludes that Van der Sloot only did what we call a premeditated homicide. He killed in order to rob," Amoretti said.

http://www.ntn24.com/news/videos/experts-say-van-der-sloot-may-only-serve-10-years-peru-murder-7766


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Post by: grace-land on January 05, 2012, 01:10:32 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1356970/noticia-juicio-van-der-sloot-deudos-insistiran-cadena-perpetua-holandes

Google translation

Van der Sloot trial: the key process that begins tomorrow
The Flores family's lawyer said the strategy used against the Dutch. There are five tests to sink shafts poker player
Thursday January 5, 2012 - 8:28 a.m.
SEBASTIAN MARTINEZ ORTIZ @ Shebas07

 ::snipping2::

Although the fiscal Miriam Castellares Riveros, head of the Ninth Criminal Lima Senior Prosecutor, asked for 30 years in prison for crimes Dutch homicide and simple theft, the defense of Flores Ramirez's family asked the Public Prosecutor in the last part of the process to amend the definition of robbery followed by death.

Under these charges, said Flores' lawyer, Edward Alvarez, Van der Sloot would receive life imprisonment. "We aim to present evidence after the trial, the prosecutor change the definition of the crime and murder becomes robbery followed by death. This will not be 30 years in prison, but life imprisonment, "he said in a conversation with elcomercio.pe.

Alvarez said that they as the aggrieved party can not require you to school "B" of the Third Criminal Court for Inmates in Jail, now presiding Judge Victoria Montoya Peraldo, life imprisonment for the Dutch, but this is in the hands of the Attorney General .

"According to our criminal justice system, the role falls to pursue the prosecution. What we do is help presenting evidence, but not for me to call penalties. We'll give inputs to the fiscal and she should also take into account these items so you can modify the charge, "he said.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FIRST HEARING?
At the hearing on Friday, marking the beginning of the trial, both parties, the aggrieved and the Van der Sloot, present new evidence in their possession and then the room will inform the accused of the charges against him by asking if accept it.

If assumed, the judiciary ruling issued in about 48 hours, but the Dutchman denies the charge, will be moved to stage presentation folders, witnesses and allegations, all this will develop in different sessions.

EVIDENCE AGAINST THE DUTCH
The defense of the Flores family has based its strategy on five tests in shafts and key testimony considered. Alvarez explained that the pillar of his argument are the images of the hotel security camera Tac, showing van der Sloot leave and return to her room scene, with two cups of coffee to simulate continued Stephany life when he was already dead.

Another point, perhaps the most important part of the evidence, are the conversations held poker player over the Internet with his friend Stan Pluijmen, who said he was in Lima without money and would be capable of anything, even prostitution, to get some money to allow him to return to their country.

Analysis Division of the Police High Technology held at the defendant's laptop will also be taken into account, because this indicates that searches the case of Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in Aruba in 2005, took place a day before the murder of Peruvian student, so the Dutch hypothesis violent crime fell by emotion.

The fourth axis, according to Alvarez told us is that the poker player during his escape to Chile confided to the three drivers who transported them he was running because he had killed someone and the last test is the statement that Van der Sloot gave in which he confessed to the murder.

"These statements (confession) have not been crossed in the process. His lawyers have not taken even the work of applying for annulment of that document, so you have any legal validity and use it at the trial, "he added.

THE KEY WITNESS
Among the witnesses to be cited by the Third Criminal Court to Jail Defendants include Atlantic City casino workers and the Hotel Tac and friends of the victim, including Carola Sanguinetti Espinosa, who was with Stephany hours before he lost life at the hands of Van der Sloot.

In his statement to the judiciary, she said Flores Ramirez possessed a day before his death the 7 thousand suns that had won at the casino this week.

"In the afternoon, when we went to the cookout and Markham going to get off the car, gave me my wallet and I saw that it was a big wad of money, all notes of 100 soles, then when exiting of this activity put it in your car and remained there throughout the time that we stayed together in the hotel Pacific to 11 at night, "said the girl.

For Alvarez this testimony is crucial to determine the motive of the murder of Flores Ramirez was the money and not a backlash, as it tries to make believe Van der Sloot.

Finally, counsel stated that the Flores family will not exert any pressure on the judges who will be in charge of the trial, but said that its members expect the judiciary and especially the Attorney General to meet a responsible role "allows them to obtain justice ".


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2012, 01:37:52 PM
Van der Sloot trial scheduled to begin this Friday in Peru
PeruthisWeek.com
January 5, 2012


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Prosecutor Miriam Castellares is asking for 30 years in prison, on charges of murder and simple theft; however, Flores’ family is asking the public prosecutor to amend the charges to “robbery followed by murder.”

According to Edwar Alvarez, the Flores family’s lawyer, under these charges Van der Sloot could receive life imprisonment.

"We aim to present evidence during the trial that will lead the prosecutor to change the classification of the crime, so that it becomes robbery followed by murder. This will not be 30 years in prison, but life imprisonment,” he said to El Comercio.

The prosecution is scheduled to present its case in court on Friday, and will present the evidence and inform Van der Sloot of the charges against him.

The hearing will take place at the courtroom of the Lurigancho prison.

If Van der Sloot declares pleads guilty, the judiciary would issue a ruling in about 48 hours, according to El Comercio.

If he pleads not guilty, the trial would proceed with the presentation of evidence and witnesses.

http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-1311-Van-der-Sloot-trial-scheduled-to-begin-this-Friday-in-Peru/



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Post by: grace-land on January 05, 2012, 02:07:59 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/peruaanse-proces-tegen-joran-van-start/

Google translation

Thursday, January 5, 2012, 13:24 hours
Peruvian new trial against Joran started
America wants Van der Sloot then try

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extortion
During the trial Joran will also hear that the United States last month a formal extradition request submitted by Peru. The Americans want Joran after the Peruvian process to persuade the U.S. to prosecute him for fraud by the family of the missing Natalee Holloway.

Van der Sloot said Holloway family for 25,000 euros that he could tell where she supposedly buried. After payment, he pointed to a house in Aruba, where no body was found. Later it appeared that the property at the time of disappearance Natales not even been built.

overwhelming evidence
Peter said earlier confidence in a successful outcome of the Stephany Flores case: "All the speculation about a sentence of five years and even release his nonsense. Joran's lawyer made ​​it appear he had a winning case ... a hoot! The evidence is overwhelming. Joran is fixed and stays fixed. The last word on the right, but I predict that Joran at least fifteen years, but down. "
 


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2012, 03:29:00 PM
Joran van der Sloot to Begin Peru Murder Trial
Published January 05, 2012


<snipped

Prosecutors are seeking a 30-year prison sentence for Van der Sloot on murder and theft charges in a trial that will be held at Lima's Lurigancho prison. He is accused of murdering Flores with "ferocity and great cruelty," and prosecutors say he also stole 600 soles, about $220, from the victim.

<snipped>

The defense will argue that Van der Sloot killed Flores in a state of emotional distress.

"We will challenge the aggravating factors (charged by the prosecution) and seek to reduce the charge from first-degree murder to simple homicide," Jimenez said. That charge carries a prison sentence of from eight to 20 years.

He said his client, whose prominent lawyer father died of a heart attack on an Aruba tennis court in February 2010, was in a fragile state from years of being under suspicion for Holloway's presumed death and other legal problems stemming from that case.

"The killing was impromptu. There was no planning to carry it out," Jimenez said.

Lawyers for Flores' family, who are allowed to participate in the trial under Peruvian law, will try to show that Van der Sloot killed the woman to steal money she won at the casino.

If the court finds that to be true, a conviction could result in Van der Sloot being sentenced to life in prison.

"This guy wanted to take the money of the girl because he, in communications he had with his friends in Holland through Facebook and email, stated that he had no money, that he had no money or food, that his stay in Peru was hard and he told them: 'I am on the verge of prostitution,"' family lawyer Edward Alvarez said in an interview.

Alvarez predicted Van der Sloot would plead guilty Friday in an effort to get a reduced sentence.

Jimenez, the defense attorney, ruled out that possibility.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/05/joran-van-der-sloot-to-begin-peru-murder-trial/


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Post by: Kermit on January 05, 2012, 04:43:41 PM

(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1268/joranvanderslootfaceboo.jpg)
Joran's Facebook photos


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Post by: Kermit on January 05, 2012, 04:44:15 PM
WHAT JORAN WAS DOING THE DAY BEFORE HE MURDERED STEPHANY FLORES
(Playing Farmville and Mafia Wars)

AND

ANITA POSTED TO JORAN MAY 31, 2010 AT 6:18 PM - THE DAY JORAN MURDERED
STEPHANY FLORES RAMIREZ

(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9933/whatjoranwasdoingdaybef.jpg)


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Post by: Kermit on January 05, 2012, 04:54:38 PM
MAY 25, 2010 – Joran contacted John Q. Kelly for the last time.

MAY 25, 2010 – JORAN RESPONDS TO  POSTS ON HIS FACEBOOK

Jaime Carrasquilla 
Awo cu Mourinho ta bai join Real Madrid e worst nightmare di Barca Ta bai cuminsa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AYO Barca!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Yesterday at 9:21am 

Joran Van Der Sloot 
pfff you wish 
Yesterday at 3:06pm


Romy Hoeksma 
Hey Joran, 
How are you doing? long time no speak..woon je nog in thailand?Yesterday at 11:40am 

Joran Van Der Sloot 
Hey Romy, 
Ja zoizo lang geleden. Nee zit niet meer in thailand ben nu in een ander land. Hoe gaat alles met jou? 
Yesterday at 11:45am 

Romy Hoeksma 
ja top:) 
Binnekort weer lekker naar de caribean:) daarna ga ik door naar seoel voor me study..wat doe je nu allemaal? 
Yesterday at 11:47am 

Joran Van Der Sloot 
Doe je goed welk eiland ga je naartoe? Ik ben bezig met werk heb me bedrijf in thailand verhuurd en heb nu gewoon een betaalde baan dus ben daar ook druk mee bezig. Hoop dat alles goed met jou is en veel geluk gewenst in seoel ik ben er een keer geweest met wat thaise vrienden en was super leuk uiteraad well een cultuur shock maar daar doe je het voor tog . Groetjes. 
Yesterday at 11:52am 

Translated: 

Romy Hoeksma 
Hey Joran, 
How are you doing? long time no speak...yet you live in thailand? 

Joran: 
Yes zoizo long ago. No is no longer in Thailand am in another country. How's everything with you? 

Romy: 
yes top:) 
Soon again went to the Caribbean:) then I go on to Seoul to study me .. what do you all now? 

Joran: 
Do you look what island are you going? I'm doing work, I let my business in Thailand and have now just a paid job so am too busy working. Hope all is well with you and good luck in Seoul, I been here once with some Thai friends and was super nice uiteraad a culture shock but well done for the tog:). Greetings.

JORAN EMAIL TO JOHN LUDWIG:
May 26:

Hey,
Just so you know I will be coming back to Aruba on Sunday."

May 29:
"Happy birthday man I hope you had a good day & remember how imortant family & friends are.  I won't bother you today but send me some money through Western Union tomorrow.  The only information of mine you is my name Joran van der Sloot, the country Peru & the city Lima.  I need this man for my ticket back so di it for me.  Take care & enjoy your b-day."

05/29/2010
Stephany Flores meets Joran van der Sloot in the Atlantic City Casino in Lima, Peru

May 30/31, 2010 – Joran leaves Casino with Stephany and returns to his hotel R 5:16 and 8:45 am Joran leaves his hotel room.http://www.diariolaprimeraperu.com/online/policial/holandes-es-principal-sospechoso_63588.html
Approx. 5:16am:     Joran van der Sloot and Stephany Flores leave the Atlantic City Casino
Approx. 5:40am:     Joran van der Sloot and Stephany Flores arrive at TAC hotel and enter Joran's room
Approx. 8:10-8:30am:     Joran leaves the hotel room, crosses the street, purchases two cups of coffee & breakfast bread, returns to the hotel room
Approx. 9:45am:     Joran leaves the hotel room a second time carrying a duffel bag and backpack.

05/31/2010
Natalee Holloway, Missing in Aruba 5 Years Later … Beth Holloway Fights on for Missing Persons

Joran Has Fled to Chile


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 05, 2012, 05:00:59 PM
(http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/5844/joranfbposttosebastiana.jpg)


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2012, 07:01:11 PM
Joran van der Sloot's Defence in a Nutshell?

Van der Sloot to go on trial for murder of young woman in Peru
By the CNN Wire Staff
January 5, 2012


<snipped>

Van der Sloot was charged last September with "qualified murder" and simple robbery, which together could carry a sentence of up to 30 years in prison. Flores' family later tried -- unsuccessfully -- to convince three judges from the superior court of Lima to impose an even more serious slate of charges that could have included a life sentence.

His attorney, Luis Jimenez Navarro, told InSession on Wednesday that his client "will accept at trial the charge of simple homicide.... What he will not accept are the aggravated charges."

"We are sure that -- with support from ... experts -- it will be determined that Joran was living in a post-traumatic state during the attack," Navarro said, adding that "psychologists and psychiatrists" will testify at van der Sloot's upcoming trial.

He pointed to the Holloway case, noting that the fatal attack on Flores occurred exactly five years after the Alabama girl went missing. It has been widely reported that van der Sloot killed the woman after he believed she saw something on the Internet relating to Holloway.

"He is a young man ... who has practically lived persecuted for a crime he says he did not commit ... or for a disappearance that he cannot explain," the lawyer said of van der Sloot. "Movies and books have been made ... At that age, and with other characteristics of his psychological profile,... in that moment, he felt threatened and reacted in a brutal manner."

Jimenez said that he' and his client will ask the judges for a 7- to 20-year sentence, "which are the legal sentencing parameters for homicide." He contended his client never planned to "entrap ... the future victim in a casino where there are more than 30 cameras" while he was staying in a room registered under his legal name, and then kill her.

"There was no premeditation," the lawyer argued.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/05/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot-trial/


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2012, 07:09:34 PM
The Trial Proceedings?

Van der Sloot to go on trial for murder of young woman in Peru
By the CNN Wire Staff
January 5, 2012


<snipped>

Three judges will preside over Van der Sloot's trial, starting Friday, and there is no jury.

The proceedings will begin with the prosecutor stating the "facts" that have been proven in the case, as well as detailing the alleged crimes committed, according to Peruvian lawyer and University of Oklahoma professor Giovanna Gismondi. Then the lead judge will talk generally about the crime, after which van der Sloot's side will have the floor.

This round of the case could include testimony from the accused, though Navarro said that van der Sloot likely wouldn't give a statement Friday though he may answer questions from judges. The other scheduled trial dates are next Tuesday and Thursday, though the judges could adjust the plans at any time.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/05/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot-trial/


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Post by: MuffyBee on January 05, 2012, 07:10:54 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-trial-Friday/oc3OEdRGJke6t6ARN0kFiQ.cspx
Van der Sloot trial Friday
January 1, 2012

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Two macabre ironies....Flores' corpse was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room on the fifth anniversary of Natalee's disappearance.  And many believe he traveled to Peru on money he got from Natalee's family after promising information on her fate.  A federal grand jury here in Birmingham indicted him on fraud and extortion charges when no information was given

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Van der Sloot ought to be acquitted. Gary Giordano was in Aruba when both Holloway and Gardner went missing. Flores is collateral damage in the persecution of an innocent man.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 05, 2012, 07:24:23 PM
Joran van der Sloot - In His Own Words

Confession: Joran van der Sloot describes killing Stephany Flores
Published: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 2:51 PM
Updated: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 4:11 PM


<snipped>

Asked for a detailed description of the killing:

"She was on the bed when I hit her hard with my right elbow and I think her head went back and hit the wall, then she begins to bleed, immediately I get on top of her and with both hands I begin to strangle her, keeping her that way for a minute. After that, I throw her to the floor but she keeps breathing. At that moment I take off my shirt and put it on her face, pressing on it. I don't remember for how long but she stops breathing, in this way I think I caused her death."

<snipped>

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/confession_joran_van_der_sloot.html



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Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2012, 08:03:23 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight at 9pm ET!

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Click on the link below:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


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Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2012, 03:23:06 AM
For those who may not have read

Portrait of a Monster
Joran van der Sloot, A Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery

By:  Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson

I've posted portions of Chapter Nine, that includes the examination of Stephany's remains in the coroner's office after she was taken from the Hotel Tac.

WARNING:  It is very graphic, and sad.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=11854.msg1500700#msg1500700


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Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2012, 03:30:17 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

Justice for Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::


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Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2012, 03:31:09 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::


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Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2012, 04:23:57 AM
http://travel.usatoday.com/destinations/dispatches/post/2012/01/drowned-aruba-tourist-was-a-wake-forest-university-staffer/597495/1


Drowned Aruba tourist was a Wake Forest University staffer

By Kitty Bean Yancey, USA TODAY
Updated 8h 20m ago Comments   

Jing Wei, who drowned in late December while snorkeling with her husband in Aruba, has been identified as employee of North Carlina's Wake Forest University, according to a Thursday report in the Winston-Salem Journal.

China-born Wei, 48 and a well-regarded instructional technology staffer at the university, died as a tour group ended the day at Baby Beach, which is the same place U.S. tourist Robyn Gardner was reported missing in August.

Yaochun Zhang, Wei's husband, told the Journal his wife's drowning is unexplained, though he said she was not a strong swimmer. He said she was in 15-foot water when she was discovered to be in trouble.

Two friends, a doctor and a physician assistant, assisted Aruba paramedics in trying to revive Wei, Zhang said. They couldn't. "We were shocked. We couldn't believe it," he told the newspaper.

 ::snipping2::

REMINDER:

http://arubaherald.com/local/774-us-reporting-of-alleged-snorkeling-site-incorrect.html

US reporting of alleged snorkeling site incorrect         
Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:04
 
 
Many US media have been reporting that the alleged area where the suspect in the dissaperance of the American woman Robyn Gardner says is Baby Beach. This information is incorrect. The suspect says that they went snorkeling behind the Nanki Country Club area. This is close to the Baby Beach area but is located between Baby Beach and Rodgers Beach.

(http://arubaherald.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b_800_600_0_1___images_stories_news_2011_aug_aug10_arubabeach.jpg)



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Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2012, 04:36:40 AM
I'm pretty sure the KIA prison is also near where Robyn Gardner supposedly disappeared.

http://arubaherald.com/911/1879-police-conduct-search-for-woman-screaming-for-help.html

Police conduct search for woman screaming for help         
Tuesday, 03 January 2012 08:23
 
Monday evening around 8 o'clock KIA prison personnel heard a woman screaming for help. Police found a Chevy Aveo with the key in the ignition, but no sign of the woman. Witnesses heard the screams and what sounded like a few gunshots immediately thereafter. The helicopter was used in the search.

Police did find a man "under the influence" and detained and took him to the precinct since there is an ongoing search and investigation. The woman was not found; the car was confiscated pending investigation.


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Post by: trimmonthelake on January 06, 2012, 06:22:34 AM
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/01/natalee_holloway_case_federal.html
Natalee Holloway case: Federal authorities in Alabama have a hold on Joran van der Sloot if he's released after his trial in Peru
Published: Thursday, January 05, 2012, 9:39 PM     Updated: Thursday, January 05, 2012, 9:59 PM

BIRMINGHAM, Alabama -- If Joran van der Sloot is released after his trial on charges of killing a young Peruvian woman, which begins Friday, federal officials in Alabama have a plan in place that could give them a chance to bring him to the state to face charges related to the investigation into the 2005 disappearance of Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway while she was on a trip to Aruba.

"For months the government has had a detainer filed through Interpol that would result in van der Sloot being held if, for any reason, he were to be released on charges in Peru," according to a statement emailed from Peggy Sanford, spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorneys Office in Birmingham.
 ::snipping2::
 ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2012, 08:51:43 AM
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1357397/noticia-hoy-se-inicia-juicio-contra-holandes-joran-van-der-sloot (http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1357397/noticia-hoy-se-inicia-juicio-contra-holandes-joran-van-der-sloot)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/SlootTrial1.jpg)

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Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2012, 09:03:13 AM
http://www.larepublica.pe/06-01-2012/hoy-empieza-juicio-oral-contra-joran-van-der-sloot (http://www.larepublica.pe/06-01-2012/hoy-empieza-juicio-oral-contra-joran-van-der-sloot)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/SlootTrial3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: EURobert on January 06, 2012, 10:11:44 AM
Hi there! Long time no see...

Livestream of proces (only today?): http://nos.nl/nieuws/live/journaal24/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: EURobert on January 06, 2012, 10:15:31 AM
'Trial' that is...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 10:26:22 AM
Hi there! Long time no see...

Livestream of proces (only today?): http://nos.nl/nieuws/live/journaal24/

Hello EURobert, it's good to see you again!  Thank you for the link.  Unfortunately, English is the language I understand with just a smattering of other languages.  Would you please be so good as to post your comments on what is going on in the trial if you're able?  Thank you ::bee:: 


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Post by: trimmonthelake on January 06, 2012, 10:30:28 AM
Vandersloot on InSession.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: pinkbanana on January 06, 2012, 10:33:27 AM
Good Morning!

Watching  ::boxingjoran::  ::boxingjoran::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: EURobert on January 06, 2012, 10:33:50 AM
Trial continues here: http://nos.nl/nieuws/livestream/stream/195/

Sorry MuffyBee: don't understand Spanish either.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 10:38:40 AM
Trial continues here: http://nos.nl/nieuws/livestream/stream/195/

Sorry MuffyBee: don't understand Spanish either.

That's okay Robert, maybe Cecilita or one of our other Spanish speaking monkeys will come by and help us out.  I'm sure there will be translations on the news as we go, but I think it's very interesting to hear what's being said from our members. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 06, 2012, 10:38:42 AM
Good Morning!

Watching  ::boxingjoran::  ::boxingjoran::

pb
What a pig.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 10:40:30 AM
Good morning trimmonthelake, EURobert, pinkbanana, kcrn, orchidfae and our 7 Guests are viewing this topic.   (http://bestsmileys.com/coffee/2.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 10:44:12 AM
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Van-der-Sloot-may-plead-guilty-in-Peru-killing-2443633.php
Joran van der Sloot enters court for murder trial
January 6, 2012

LIMA, Peru (AP) — Joran van der Sloot has entered the court where a panel of three female judges will try him in the 2010 murder of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman.

The 24-year-old Dutchman entered in a blue blazer and faded blue jeans with a bullet-proof vest beneath the jacket.

His has a close-cut crew cut and is wearing a long-sleeve gray shirt.

An interpreter is being sworn in. The Dutchman's attorney said his client may enter a guilty plea.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 10:46:20 AM
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/06/lawyer-van-der-sloot-to-plead-guilty-in-peruvian-womans-death/
Lawyer: Van der Sloot to plead guilty in Peruvian woman's death
January 6, 2012

In a last-minute defense strategy change, Joran van der Sloot is expected to plead guilty to all the charges against him in connection with the killing of a Peruvian woman, his lawyer told CNN Friday.

The original plan going into the trial, which was set to begin Friday, was to admit to killing 21-year-old Stephany Flores, but to fight more stringent charges that could land him more time in prison, attorney Luis Jimenez said.

Jimenez said the intention of the new strategy is to give a "sincere confession," which under Peruvian law can qualify him for a more lenient sentence.

If van der Sloot goes forward with this approach, he could be sentenced as early as next week.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: pinkbanana on January 06, 2012, 10:51:06 AM
He seems to be bored  ::MonkeyNoNo::
He looks like a druggie too.  ::boxingjoran::  ::boxingjoran::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 10:52:15 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57353649-504083/joran-van-der-sloot-peru-murder-trial-set-to-begin-friday/
Joran van der Sloot Peru murder trial set to begin Friday
January 6, 2012

(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/01/06/AP120106114131_244x183.jpg)
A shaman performs a ritual for the spiritual punishment of Joran van der Sloot, in poster top center, and for justice for Stephany Flores, in poster at left, before Van der Sloot's trial outside the prison where the trial will be held in Lima, Peru, Friday Jan. 6, 2012.
(Credit: AP Photo/Karel Navarro)

(Gallery of 64 photos at link)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 10:59:30 AM
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2012/0106/Van-der-Sloot-murder-trial-set-to-open-in-Peru-video
Van der Sloot murder trial set to open in Peru (+video)
The trial of Joran van der Sloot opens today in Lima, Peru. He is accused of killing a Peruvian woman in 2010 and was suspected in the murder of Natalee Holloway in Aruba five years earlier.
By Lucien Chauvin, Correspondent /
January 6, 2012


2 Page Article
 ::snipping2::
Parole possibility?

While the trial, which could drag on for months given the evidence in the Flores murder as well as the circumstance surrounding the Holloway case, will be about van der Sloot's culpability, the real issue appears to be how long he will spend in prison.

The state prosecutor’s office is asking for van der Sloot to be found guilty of first-degree murder that was premeditated and “cruelly and ferociously” carried out. The maximum sentence is 30 years, but there is the possibility of parole. The prosecutor had originally asked that the charge be aggravated robbery followed by murder, which carries a life sentence without parole. The court rejected that option in November.

Peru’s legal system does allow for the defense or prosecution to request a change in the charges when trial gets under way. Van der Sloot could plead out during the opening hearing, accepting the charge, but that would mean the maximum sentence.
Defense strategy

His defense attorney, José Luis Jiménez, said that while there is no disputing the murder charge, he will fight for the aggravating circumstances to be dropped.
“Our job is to show that this was a tragic event that my client did not intend to happen. It was not done out of cruelty and certainly was not premeditated. No one makes the kinds of clumsy mistakes my client made if they had planned a murder,” he said on Thursday outside a Lima courtroom.

If Jiménez successfully convinces the three-judge panel with his arguments, van der Sloot could be convicted of manslaughter, which carries a seven- to 20-year sentence.

“He would likely get the maximum sentence, but the law allows for parole after one-third of the sentence is served,” said Jimenez, who took over the case last June after meeting van der Sloot in prison.

Under this scenario, Jiménez said van de Sloot could technically be out of prison in 2017.
More...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 11:03:44 AM
http://www.newsday.com/news/world/joran-van-der-sloot-enters-court-for-murder-trial-1.3432977
Joran van der Sloot enters court for murder trial
January 6, 2012

(http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.3432979.1325865259!/httpImage/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.JPG)
Photo credit: AP | Joran Van der Sloot, center, enters the courtroom for the start of his murder trial held at the San Jorge prison in Lima, Peru. (Jan. 6, 2012)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2012, 11:05:01 AM
http://www.facebook.com/InSession


‎#JoranvanderSloot is requesting for the prosecutor to speak slowly because he is having a hard time understanding.


The prosecutor wants to introduce new evidence including an overheard conversation b/w #JoranvanderSloot and Stephany Flores.

..
‎#JoranvanderSloot's translators are for English and Dutch.


The panel is talking to #JoranvanderSloot about the use of the interpreters.


6 minutes ago..In Session
Interpreters for #JoranvanderSloot are taking the oath.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on January 06, 2012, 11:09:44 AM
They might put a vest on him, but that big head is open, I'm just sayin!

He's a pig. Can't even stay awake for his own murder trial. Here's hoping it's a great day for Stephanie and Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 11:15:00 AM
They might put a vest on him, but that big head is open, I'm just sayin!

He's a pig. Can't even stay awake for his own murder trial. Here's hoping it's a great day for Stephanie and Natalee.


IMO, Joran is thumbing his nose at his victim and her family by acting like he's nodding off.  I continue to hold hope there will be justice for both Stephany and for Natalee. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 11:18:05 AM
http://www.newsday.com/news/world/joran-van-der-sloot-enters-court-for-murder-trial-1.3432977
Joran van der Sloot enters court for murder trial
January 6, 2012

(http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.3432979.1325865259!/httpImage/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.JPG)
Photo credit: AP | Joran Van der Sloot, center, enters the courtroom for the start of his murder trial held at the San Jorge prison in Lima, Peru. (Jan. 6, 2012)



 :smt078


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2012, 11:22:37 AM
live stream

http://video.foxnews.com/video-live-streaming.html?video_id=1155606982001


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 06, 2012, 11:25:06 AM
Adjourn to January 11th at 11 am.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: pinkbanana on January 06, 2012, 11:26:35 AM
Trial has been postponed until Jan. 11th  ::boxingjoran::  ::boxingjoran::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2012, 11:28:01 AM
http://www.facebook.com/InSession

BREAKING NEWS: #JoranvanderSloot's trial was suspended. The panel says court will resume January 11.
Like · Comment · @InSession on Twitter · a few seconds ago via Twitter.


‎#JoranvanderSloot's potential fine is $200,000 soles, which is over $74,000 in US currency.


The prosecution requests a 30 year sentence for #JoranvanderSloot


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 11:28:02 AM
Thank you everyone for the links, articles and info!  I'm holding onto hope there will be justice.   ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: EURobert on January 06, 2012, 11:31:27 AM
What I understand from comments on other sites is that Joran wants time to consider if wants to plea guilty or not.
I understand that he wanted to confess but not at the exact complaint of the prosecutor.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 06, 2012, 11:31:42 AM
Postponed.................. geez...........


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 11:32:46 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/InSession (http://twitter.com/#!/InSession)

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#JoranvanderSloot's potential fine is $200,000 soles, which is over $74,000 in US currency.
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The prosecution requests a 30 year sentence for #JoranvanderSloot
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#JoranvanderSloot is standing while the prosecutor gives his opening statement.
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#JoranvanderSloot is requesting for the prosecutor to speak slowly because he is having a hard time understanding.
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The prosecutor wants to introduce new evidence including an overheard conversation b/w #JoranvanderSloot and Stephany Flores.
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Interpreters for #JoranvanderSloot are taking the oath.
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The panel of judges just entered court and trial is underway for #JoranvanderSloot
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#JoranvanderSloot in court NOW! Tune in! If he pleads guilty today, sentencing occurs next week.
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Less than 10 MINS until we're LIVE from Peru hlntv.com/article/2012/0…
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StephanyFlores fam told @InSession“The family will be content with whatever the outcome is today,and whatever sentence the judges decide.”
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Tune in now! #JoranvanderSloot's interpreter talks about his confession, police interrogation.
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Giovanna Gismondi says #JoranvanderSloot will face a panel of three judges. The judges will determine if this is a “sincere confession.”
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#JoranvanderSloot's trial may be a no go! His attorney says he will plead guilty to all charges against him for strangling a Peruvian girl
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 11:33:45 AM
What I understand from comments on other sites is that Joran wants time to consider if wants to plea guilty or not.
I understand that he wanted to confess but not at the exact complaint of the prosecutor.

Hmmm.   :2thinky:  I wonder what Joran's up to  now. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 11:34:44 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/InSession (http://twitter.com/#!/InSession)

VinniePolitan Vinnie Politan
by InSession
Joran van der Sloot does NOT plead guilty...given more time - back in court Jan 11...
3 minutes ago
In Session
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Stephany Flores' family is holding a press conference. Tune in NOW!
3 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 11:35:22 AM
Postponed.................. geez...........

I know what you mean CBB.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  But it's a Sloot, so no surprise really.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 11:35:27 AM
What I understand from comments on other sites is that Joran wants time to consider if wants to plea guilty or not.
I understand that he wanted to confess but not at the exact complaint of the prosecutor.

 ::rhino::

Joran van der Sloot to Begin Peru Murder Trial
Published January 05, 2012


<snipped

Prosecutors are seeking a 30-year prison sentence for Van der Sloot on murder and theft charges in a trial that will be held at Lima's Lurigancho prison. He is accused of murdering Flores with "ferocity and great cruelty," and prosecutors say he also stole 600 soles, about $220, from the victim.

<snipped>

The defense will argue that Van der Sloot killed Flores in a state of emotional distress.

"We will challenge the aggravating factors (charged by the prosecution) and seek to reduce the charge from first-degree murder to simple homicide," Jimenez said. That charge carries a prison sentence of from eight to 20 years.

He said his client, whose prominent lawyer father died of a heart attack on an Aruba tennis court in February 2010, was in a fragile state from years of being under suspicion for Holloway's presumed death and other legal problems stemming from that case.

"The killing was impromptu. There was no planning to carry it out," Jimenez said.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/05/joran-van-der-sloot-to-begin-peru-murder-trial/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: pinkbanana on January 06, 2012, 11:36:59 AM
What I understand from comments on other sites is that Joran wants time to consider if wants to plea guilty or not.
I understand that he wanted to confess but not at the exact complaint of the prosecutor.

Hmmm.   :2thinky:  I wonder what Joran's up to  now. 

He is up to something...he was all smiles as he was leaving the courtroom.
He knew the outcome of the day before he entered the courtroom.
 ::boxingjoran::  ::boxingjoran::


pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 11:38:01 AM
Postponed.................. geez...........

 :2brickwall:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 11:39:20 AM
What I understand from comments on other sites is that Joran wants time to consider if wants to plea guilty or not.
I understand that he wanted to confess but not at the exact complaint of the prosecutor.

Hmmm.   :2thinky:  I wonder what Joran's up to  now. 

He is up to something...he was all smiles as he was leaving the courtroom.
He knew the outcome of the day before he entered the courtroom.
 ::boxingjoran::  ::boxingjoran::


pb

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 06, 2012, 11:40:21 AM
Postponed.................. geez...........

I know what you mean CBB.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  But it's a Sloot, so no surprise really.

I know, Muffy. I'm not discouraged, really. Joran stepped in it this time and he's not going anywhere but back to prison. Whether it's for 30 years or to serve a life sentence, it will be for the duration of his life, IMO.

I have to believe that after the trial, his prison experience will change drastically. I still believe that the Flores family, if nothing else, have enough influence to insure that his time spent there is to their liking.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: EURobert on January 06, 2012, 11:41:23 AM
What I understand from comments on other sites is that Joran wants time to consider if wants to plea guilty or not.
I understand that he wanted to confess but not at the exact complaint of the prosecutor.

 ::rhino::

Joran van der Sloot to Begin Peru Murder Trial
Published January 05, 2012


<snipped

Prosecutors are seeking a 30-year prison sentence for Van der Sloot on murder and theft charges in a trial that will be held at Lima's Lurigancho prison. He is accused of murdering Flores with "ferocity and great cruelty," and prosecutors say he also stole 600 soles, about $220, from the victim.

<snipped>

The defense will argue that Van der Sloot killed Flores in a state of emotional distress.

"We will challenge the aggravating factors (charged by the prosecution) and seek to reduce the charge from first-degree murder to simple homicide," Jimenez said. That charge carries a prison sentence of from eight to 20 years.

He said his client, whose prominent lawyer father died of a heart attack on an Aruba tennis court in February 2010, was in a fragile state from years of being under suspicion for Holloway's presumed death and other legal problems stemming from that case.

"The killing was impromptu. There was no planning to carry it out," Jimenez said.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/05/joran-van-der-sloot-to-begin-peru-murder-trial/


So now he says something like 'the police and prosecuters on Aruba and the press made me do it???!!!11???

OMG!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 11:42:21 AM
Vinnie Politan often gets it right, but in this tweet he made earlier, I don't think he really understood WHY it's not such a good think for Joran to plead guilty.  Joran isn't doing this out of the goodness of heart, he's trying cut years off his sentence!

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/06/lawyer-van-der-sloot-to-plead-guilty-in-peruvian-womans-death/
Lawyer: Van der Sloot to plead guilty in Peruvian woman's death
January 6, 2012

Quote
In a last-minute defense strategy change, Joran van der Sloot is expected to plead guilty to all the charges against him in connection with the killing of a Peruvian woman, his lawyer told CNN Friday.

The original plan going into the trial, which was set to begin Friday, was to admit to killing 21-year-old Stephany Flores, but to fight more stringent charges that could land him more time in prison, attorney Luis Jimenez said.

Jimenez said the intention of the new strategy is to give a "sincere confession," which under Peruvian law can qualify him for a more lenient sentence.

If van der Sloot goes forward with this approach, he could be sentenced as early as next week.

http://twitter.com/#!/vinniepolitan (http://twitter.com/#!/vinniepolitan)

VinniePolitan Vinnie Politan
Joran Van der Sloot's atty says he will plead guilty to all charges as presented! Sounds like good news... We'll see what happens
2 hours ago




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 06, 2012, 11:46:01 AM
I could be wrong BUT, I think Joran's smiles were about being arrogant and being forced in a situation where there will actually be consequences. IMO, he's very aware of the satisfaction most people will get out of seeing him held accountable and the smiles and nodding off were a feeble attempt to portray that he's not really effected by what goes on around him.

It's a thin facade.............. he hates this and is probably jelly inside. He's a coward at heart.

JMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: pinkbanana on January 06, 2012, 11:50:21 AM
I could be wrong BUT, I think Joran's smiles were about being arrogant and being forced in a situation where there will actually be consequences. IMO, he's very aware of the satisfaction most people will get out of seeing him held accountable and the smiles and nodding off were a feeble attempt to portray that he's not really effected by what goes on around him.

It's a thin facade.............. he hates this and is probably jelly inside. He's a coward at heart.

JMO.

I agree!! He must NOT show that he is scared...which I believe he is! He must put up a front!
COWARD he is!  ::boxingjoran::  ::boxingjoran::


pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2012, 11:50:37 AM
I could be wrong BUT, I think Joran's smiles were about being arrogant and being forced in a situation where there will actually be consequences. IMO, he's very aware of the satisfaction most people will get out of seeing him held accountable and the smiles and nodding off were a feeble attempt to portray that he's not really effected by what goes on around him.

It's a thin facade.............. he hates this and is probably jelly inside. He's a coward at heart.

JMO.


 ::rhino::  In the court room, he is not in charge/control of the situation.  A coward!  ::MonkeyNoNo::  jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 11:50:51 AM
I could be wrong BUT, I think Joran's smiles were about being arrogant and being forced in a situation where there will actually be consequences. IMO, he's very aware of the satisfaction most people will get out of seeing him held accountable and the smiles and nodding off were a feeble attempt to portray that he's not really effected by what goes on around him.

It's a thin facade.............. he hates this and is probably jelly inside. He's a coward at heart.

JMO.

I agree!! He must NOT show that he is scared...which I believe he is! He must put up a front!
COWARD he is!  ::boxingjoran::  ::boxingjoran::


pb

 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 11:51:30 AM
I could be wrong BUT, I think Joran's smiles were about being arrogant and being forced in a situation where there will actually be consequences. IMO, he's very aware of the satisfaction most people will get out of seeing him held accountable and the smiles and nodding off were a feeble attempt to portray that he's not really effected by what goes on around him.

It's a thin facade.............. he hates this and is probably jelly inside. He's a coward at heart.

JMO.


 ::rhino::  In the court room, he is not in charge/control of the situation.  A coward!  ::MonkeyNoNo::  jmo


Yep!   ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2012, 11:55:03 AM
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-to-plead-guilty-in-peru-killing/1

Van der Sloot murder trial postponed in Peru
Jan 06, 2012

The murder trial of Joran van der Sloot, a central figure in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, was postponed for five days by a judge in Peru today.

Update at 11:29 a.m. ET: A Peruvian judge has postponed the murder trial for Joran van der Sloot until Jan. 11.

Update at 11:20 a.m. ET: Van der Sloot entered the courtroom today in a blue blazer and faded blue jeans with a bulletproof vest beneath the jacket,the Associated Press reports. He sported a crew cut and wore a long-sleeved gray shirt.

His defense attorney, Jose Luis Jimenez, tells the AP that is a 70% chance Van der Sloot will plead guilty to killing Stephany Flores in Lima in 2010, which could help him get a reduced sentence.

Flores' father, Ricardo Flores, tells the AP today that the family would participate in the trial in hopes of ensuring that Van der Sloot is also accused of robbery in connection with the killing.

Prosecutors are seeking a 30-year prison sentence on murder and theft charges.

Jimenez has said he would seekto get a reduced charge by arguing that his client was in a state of emotional distress when he killed Flores. A lesser sentence would be from eight to 20 years in prison.

Police and Flores' family dispute Van der Sloot's version of her death. They say he was hard up for cash and knew the Peruvian business student had been winning at the casino.

"We hope that throughout this process our attorneys can demonstrate the true motives for the killing of my daughter," Ricardo Flores says, the AP reports.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: pinkbanana on January 06, 2012, 11:56:31 AM
Will be back later.

 ::boxingjoran::  ::boxingjoran::

 ::justice2NJ:: for Natalee

 ::justice2NJ:: for Stephany

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 11:57:37 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If a 30 year sentence requested by the prosecutor is forthcoming ... the implication is that Joran can be released after serving only a third of his sentence.

If the court excepts a "simple" murder plea ... the implication is that an 8 - 20 year sentence implies that Joran could be released in 3 years.

Janet

+++++


Joran van der Sloot to Begin Peru Murder Trial
Published January 05, 2012


<snipped

Prosecutors are seeking a 30-year prison sentence for Van der Sloot on murder and theft charges in a trial that will be held at Lima's Lurigancho prison. He is accused of murdering Flores with "ferocity and great cruelty," and prosecutors say he also stole 600 soles, about $220, from the victim.

<snipped>

The defense will argue that Van der Sloot killed Flores in a state of emotional distress.

"We will challenge the aggravating factors (charged by the prosecution) and seek to reduce the charge from first-degree murder to simple homicide," Jimenez said. That charge carries a prison sentence of from eight to 20 years.

He said his client, whose prominent lawyer father died of a heart attack on an Aruba tennis court in February 2010, was in a fragile state from years of being under suspicion for Holloway's presumed death and other legal problems stemming from that case.

"The killing was impromptu. There was no planning to carry it out," Jimenez said.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/05/joran-van-der-sloot-to-begin-peru-murder-trial/


November 22, 2011
Joran van der Sloot indicted on murder and robbery
Posted: 01:40 PM ET


<snipped>

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro tells In Session this was a big win for his client. If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

The Flores family remains hopeful this will not be the case. An attorney for the family tells In Session under the Peruvian justice system the charges could change once the trial begins.

"We can ask the Prosecutor to modify the indictment as new facts come out during the trial, but on the first day of trial we expect Van der Sloot to plead guilty to both charges. It seems this will be in his best interest,“ the attorney said.

<snipped>

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/22/joran-van-der-sloot-indicted-on-murder-and-robbery/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Sister on January 06, 2012, 11:57:47 AM
Postponed.................. geez...........

I know what you mean CBB.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  But it's a Sloot, so no surprise really.

I know, Muffy. I'm not discouraged, really. Joran stepped in it this time and he's not going anywhere but back to prison. Whether it's for 30 years or to serve a life sentence, it will be for the duration of his life, IMO.

I have to believe that after the trial, his prison experience will change drastically. I still believe that the Flores family, if nothing else, have enough influence to insure that his time spent there is to their liking.
CBB, I agree.  I think the Flores family has influence and will use it.
 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 12:06:21 PM
Postponed.................. geez...........

I know what you mean CBB.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  But it's a Sloot, so no surprise really.

I know, Muffy. I'm not discouraged, really. Joran stepped in it this time and he's not going anywhere but back to prison. Whether it's for 30 years or to serve a life sentence, it will be for the duration of his life, IMO.

I have to believe that after the trial, his prison experience will change drastically. I still believe that the Flores family, if nothing else, have enough influence to insure that his time spent there is to their liking.
CBB, I agree.  I think the Flores family has influence and will use it.
 ::justice2NJ::

 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2012, 12:09:46 PM
http://www.cronicaviva.com.pe/index.php/crimen/52-crimen/33839-padre-de-stephany-flores-espera-justicia-para-su-hija-video

Google translation

Stephany Father Flores expects justice for his daughter [video]
Friday, January 6, 2012 11:14

The businessman Ricardo Flores, father of the girl Stephany Flores Ramirez, allegedly killed by the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot in May 2010, today expressed confidence that judges do justice for her daughter.

Minutes before the start of the trial, taking place in San Pedro prison (ex Lurigancho), Flores said the defense is giving van der Sloot distorted versions of what really happened, so he asked the judges to be firm and transparent.

He was surprised, for example, the statements of the defendant's attorney Cotrina Aldo, who hinted that the Peruvian justice system is plotting against van der Sloot to convict him of crimes against him.

"It is shameful what he has argued, everyone has their way of defense, but the Peruvian justice system has made it clear that we have not any pressure exerted on the court," he said.

Noting that the suffering that it causes the disappearance of her daughter last for life, Flores reported that family members expect the trial to end the cycle of death of his daughter.

"(Stephany's death) is a wound that will never be closed. When you bring a child into the world bring an illusion, she was my only daughter, who had great future, but the Lord wanted me to be at his side. We want this cycle will end once and never again talk to the media about this issue but on others, "he said.

He said he would have preferred not to attend the beginning of the process, but that was cited by the Third Criminal Court for inmates in jail. "I would rather not come. We would not be necessary, but I was called and I am respectful of the laws. Judges have called me today and I would ask you not to do it again, because they cause harm to my family, "he said.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 12:14:52 PM
Joran's arrogance?  Does Joran have knowledge of the the outcome.

Janet

+++++


Ricardo Flores

Van der Sloot to go on trial for murder of young woman in Peru
By the CNN Wire Staff
January 6, 2012 -- Updated 0126 GMT (0926 HKT)


<snipped>

The victim's family, including her father Ricardo Flores, had pushed for stiffer charges and claimed that van der Sloot hasn't looked "remorseful" in court appearances.

"He had an indifferent and prideful attitude. He looks as if he has everything under control. He looks better than when he appeared on TV after he was arrested," Ricardo Flores told CNN last year.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/05/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot-trial/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 12:18:08 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/06/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot-trial/?hpt=wo_c2
Van der Sloot postpones plea
January 6, 2012

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120106040943-joran-van-der-sloot-trial-story-top.jpg)
Joran van der Sloot, right, appears in court Friday in Lima, Peru, to face charges in the death of a Peruvian woman.

Tune in to HLN's "Nancy Grace" at 8 and 10 p.m. ET Friday for reaction and analysis in the Joran van der Sloot case.

(CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot on Friday asked for more time to "reflect" on what plea he will make during his murder trial.

Earlier in the day, his attorney said van der Sloot was expected to plead guilty to all charges, but when it came time to tell the court, he asked instead for more time.

When asked for a plea by the magistrates, van der Sloot said he wanted to give a "sincere confession" -- a type of guilty plea that can qualify him for a reduced sentence -- but did not agree with all of the charges against him. When the judge asked for clarification, he said he needed more time to decide his plea.

The trial is postponed until Wednesday, when van der Sloot is expected to finally give his plea. He is charged with "qualified murder" and simple robbery in the killing of 21-year-old Stephany Flores.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2012, 12:24:00 PM
Video at link

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/06/van-der-sloot-may-plead-guilty-in-peru-killing/

Joran van der Sloot Declines to Enter Plea in Killing of Peruvian Woman
Published January 06, 2012

LIMA, Peru-- A Peruvian judge has postponed the murder trial for Joran van der Sloot to Jan. 11.

The 24-year-old Dutchman entered the court Friday in a blue blazer and faded blue jeans with a bullet-proof vest beneath the jacket.

His has a close-cut crew cut and is wearing a long-sleeve gray shirt.

 ::snipping2::

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/06/van-der-sloot-may-plead-guilty-in-peru-killing/#ixzz1ihQoK0ft


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: San on January 06, 2012, 12:25:48 PM
What I understand from comments on other sites is that Joran wants time to consider if wants to plea guilty or not.
I understand that he wanted to confess but not at the exact complaint of the prosecutor.

Thanks EURobert and everyone else for the links.

Seems like Joran wants to confess on his own terms.  I guess he doesn't like that 30 year sentence and wants propose his own terms that he likes better (which will be 5 years with times served).

Sorry Joran you don't get to make your own rules.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 06, 2012, 12:26:36 PM
Joran's going to have a difficult time making the case that Stephany's murder was "spur of the moment". His computer browsing history proves that he was very aware of the 5 year anniversary of Natalee's death. It also shows that there was no search on his laptop related to Natalee for the duration of time Stephany was with Joran.

It's far more plausible that Joran targeted another young girl to commemorate Natalee's murder. Stephany was in the wrong place at a predestined and orchestrated wrong time.

The "coincident" of the 5 year anniversary is way too far a stretch.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 12:33:33 PM
The brutal murder of Stephany Flores would not have happened if a corrupt Aruban investigation had not prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

Janet

++++++


THE WRITING WAS ON THE WALL

Monkeys Media Reminder … Beth Holloway & Peter R. DeVries on Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio
February 13th, 2008


Beth Holloway:

47:50 - "I feel strongly that he (Joran) is a time bomb that is waiting to go off.  He will strike again.  It is not just for Natalee that I would like to see him behind bars.  I think he has shown us all he has no control over himself or his actions."

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/monkeys-media-reminder-beth-holloway-peter-r-devries-on-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: cadillac on January 06, 2012, 12:35:21 PM
I hope Joran remembers that whatever the length of time he ultimately serves for Stephanie's death, he will be headed to Alabama.

He really doesn't want to come here.  No matter how old he is.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 06, 2012, 12:35:41 PM
Yes, Joran.............. Beth is watching you as you face the consequences of your actions. Yes Joran, all of Natalee's supporters are watching as well.

We all saw you remove the bullet proof vest and the yawns and the smiles. You are a tiny fish in a glass bowl and all eyes are laughing at your feeble attempt to show the world you don't care. Someone has put a lid on the fishbowl and there's no way out.

Toto? You aren't in Aruba anymore.


 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2012, 12:43:25 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1357472/noticia-juicio-van-der-sloot-se-suspendio-holandes-evalua-acogerse-conclusion-anticipada

Google translation

Van der Sloot trial was discontinued: Dutch evaluates eligible for early termination
The process will continue on Wednesday, the day the poker player pleads guilty to state whether or not the crime of Stephany Flores

Friday January 6, 2012 - 11:20 am

After nearly two-hour hearing in which the Attorney General explained the scope of his indictment on the murder of Stephany Flores Ramírez, the Dutch defense Joran Van der Sloot asked to School "B" of the Third Criminal Court for Defendants time in prison for his client to assess if you elect early termination of the process.

The request was accepted by the prosecution and by the Flores family's lawyer, Edward Alvarez, so that Judge Victoria Montoya Peraldo suspended the trial until next Wednesday, the day the poker player must state whether you plead guilty or no.

During the hearing, the Dutchman said it intends to make a sincere confession, but said he did not agree with some parts of the indictment which the prosecution asked to be sentenced to 30 years in prison for the crimes of homicide and simple theft.

"I want to take me to my sincere confession, but I do not agree with all the aggravating circumstances of the Public Ministry," he said.

The other defendants John William Aparcana Pisconte, John Oswald and Carlos Alberto Aparcana Euribe Pisconte Pretil-who drove the car in which the Dutch fled the country bound for Chile, where he was captured, also asked for time to see if they make the conclusion in advance. The public prosecutor had requested five years in prison for them.

 ::snipping2::

Vizcarra Beatriz, spokeswoman for the Superior Court of Lima, said that if Van der Sloot is guilty, the court will issue its ruling within 48 hours.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 12:47:53 PM
Yes, Joran.............. Beth is watching you as you face the consequences of your actions.

Yes Joran, all of Natalee's supporters are watching as well.

We all saw you remove the bullet proof vest and the yawns and the smiles. You are a tiny fish in a glass bowl and all eyes are laughing at your feeble attempt to show the world you don't care. Someone has put a lid on the fishbowl and there's no way out.

Toto? You aren't in Aruba anymore.


 ::justice2NJ::

 ::rhino::

If justice prevails for Stephany Flores ... it will be measure of justice for Natalee Holloway and ... a measure of closure for her family.

Janet

+++++


Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY: And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

<snipped

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Medical mystery tour brings (Beth) Holloway to Okoboji
Saturday, June 11, 2011


<snipped>

"For me, I have a perpetrator in prison, so I can't ask for anything more right now," Beth Holloway said. "That's where he belongs and now I'm able to focus and move onward in the help that I can do for others who have missing loved ones -- maybe they don't have recovery of their loved one's remains or they don't have a perpetrator in prison, so my hope is to shed enough light and to help them."

<snipped>

http://www.spencerdailyreporter.com/story/1735599.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: San on January 06, 2012, 12:52:22 PM
Joran's going to have a difficult time making the case that Stephany's murder was "spur of the moment". His computer browsing history proves that he was very aware of the 5 year anniversary of Natalee's death. It also shows that there was no search on his laptop related to Natalee for the duration of time Stephany was with Joran.

It's far more plausible that Joran targeted another young girl to commemorate Natalee's murder. Stephany was in the wrong place at a predestined and orchestrated wrong time.

The "coincident" of the 5 year anniversary is way too far a stretch.

Exactly CBB.  The date alone will hang Joran.  His lies have finally caught up with him and he can't wiggle out of it.  If he does then there is something corrupt going on.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2012, 12:56:04 PM
http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-1320-Van-der-Sloot-trial-suspended-to-resume-January-11/

Van der Sloot trial suspended, to resume January 11
By Manuel Vigo
January 6, 2012

 ::snipping2::

He asked for more time to decided whether he would plead guilty or not.

Despite pleas from the prosecutor, the trial was postponed until Wednesday January 11, at 11:00 AM.

The prosecution asked for a 30-year sentence and a 200 thousand soles fine (US $74,000) .

After the trial Ricardo Flores, Stephany's father, thanked everyone for their support, and thanked the media for respecting his family’s privacy.

He said his family looked forward to obtaining closure, and said he would not be making any more public comments regarding the case.

"I'm not surprised ... they have suspended the hearing so they can have it clear. I think it is good for my family, for the peace, that this should come to a quick conclusion. I hope that the Peruvian authorities do not make a joke of the sentence. I think they should allow my family to have some peace, to be able to close this issue.”


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2012, 01:09:19 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/97167-aanklager-eist-30-jaar-joran-vraagt-bedenktijd

Google translation

Prosecutor demands 30 years, Joran asks reflection Prosecutor demands 30 years
Friday, January 6, 2012 8:38

ORANGE CITY / LIMA - Joran was in court today in Lima, Peru, in order to account for the murder of Stephany Flores (21) on May 30, 2010. He heard 30 years in prison to her demands. His appearance before the court was short lived. When the judges asked him if he wanted to admit guilt on all charges, he would "think about it." The case was then suspended until next Wednesday.

If Joran decides to confess, then the court then 48 hours to come to a decision. Confesses he does not, then the process. The trial is held in the Lurigancho prison, a prison complex in the same neighborhood as the Castro Castro prison where Joran been stuck nineteen months.

The media coverage of the case is great. Journalists from around the world, the Netherlands and the United States to Japan, have traveled to the country to report on the lawsuit. Joran got about four hours in the afternoon local time an armored car and was under police escort brought into the courtroom. Moreover, he wore a bulletproof vest under his clothing.

 ::snipping2::

Upon his arrest and extradition from Chile were human rights violations, says Joran. His lawyers have therefore the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights filed a complaint. Joran would also complain about the subsequent police interrogation in the Peruvian capital Lima. The lawyer and the translator were present at the hearing, would not have been neutral. Observers of this committee this morning were expected in court.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 01:13:40 PM

Joran van der Sloot to Begin Peru Murder Trial
Published January 05, 2012


<snipped

Prosecutors are seeking a 30-year prison sentence for Van der Sloot on murder and theft charges in a trial that will be held at Lima's Lurigancho prison. He is accused of murdering Flores with "ferocity and great cruelty," and prosecutors say he also stole 600 soles, about $220, from the victim.

<snipped>

The defense will argue that Van der Sloot killed Flores in a state of emotional distress.

"We will challenge the aggravating factors (charged by the prosecution) and seek to reduce the charge from first-degree murder to simple homicide," Jimenez said. That charge carries a prison sentence of from eight to 20 years.

He said his client, whose prominent lawyer father died of a heart attack on an Aruba tennis court in February 2010, was in a fragile state from years of being under suspicion for Holloway's presumed death and other legal problems stemming from that case.

"The killing was impromptu. There was no planning to carry it out," Jimenez said.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/05/joran-van-der-sloot-to-begin-peru-murder-trial/



Joran van der Sloot - In His Own Words

Confession: Joran van der Sloot describes killing Stephany Flores
Published: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 2:51 PM
Updated: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 4:11 PM


<snipped>

Asked for a detailed description of the killing:

"She was on the bed when I hit her hard with my right elbow and I think her head went back and hit the wall, then she begins to bleed, immediately I get on top of her and with both hands I begin to strangle her, keeping her that way for a minute. After that, I throw her to the floor but she keeps breathing. At that moment I take off my shirt and put it on her face, pressing on it. I don't remember for how long but she stops breathing, in this way I think I caused her death."

<snipped>

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/confession_joran_van_der_sloot.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 01:21:57 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/06/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot-trial/?hpt=wo_c2
Van der Sloot postpones plea
January 6, 2012

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120106055813-joran-van-der-sloot-trial-02-story-top.jpg)
Joran van der Sloot appears in court Friday in Lima, Peru, to face charges in the 2010 death of a Peruvian woman.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 01:41:49 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/06/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot-trial/?hpt=wo_c2
Van der Sloot postpones plea
January 6, 2012

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120106055813-joran-van-der-sloot-trial-02-story-top.jpg)
Joran van der Sloot appears in court Friday in Lima, Peru, to face charges in the 2010 death of a Peruvian woman.




Joran van der Sloot's Mother - The Natalee Holloway Case

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Published June 23, 2005


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S MOTHER: Joran is a very outgoing person. He's a sweetheart.

<snipped

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Any drug use or alcohol use by him?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I'm a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you're used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You're so alert. And I think you're even more alert with your own children.

<snipped>

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare, too, but our life is a nightmare, too.

<snipped>

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT:   And he was telling me, Mommy, look at me, I'm reading the Bible. Did you ever think about that? And I think it's great. It's difficult to read.

<snipped>

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Something he told me last night, that he still didn't believe it was true. And he said, Mom, don't worry, because I was crying and he was really hugging me. He said, The truth will come forward, and I know that I didn't do anything to the girl. And the truth will come forward. And he was so strong.  And I believe in him. I believe so in him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 02:04:39 PM
Stephany Flores death was the direct result of enabling ... the enabling of Joran van der Sloot.  Natalee Holloway's uncle comprehended.

Janet

+++++

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #367 on: April 27, 2008, 12:38:30 PM »


I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of the rest of Joran's life? .... 

It is very telling that Beth's life is getting brighter every day, considering her loss, yet Joran the boy who "got away with it" is descending deeper and deeper into a self convicted sentence of life without parole unless he confesses. He will never, never be able to move on from this without repentance. Corny, yes, self serving, yes I want him to tell the truth, but is it the absolute truth, the absolute gospel, yes. Surprise, no, it is as the Bible teaches.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377586#msg377586


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 06, 2012, 02:48:26 PM
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/01/06/joran-van-der-sloot-declines-to-enter-plea-in-murder-of-peruvian-woman-trial-postponed-until-january-11/
1:32 am ET January 6, 2012
Joran van der Sloot Declines to Enter Plea in Murder of Peruvian Woman; Trial Postponed Until January 11
by Fox News Insider Posted in: Joran van der Sloot   



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on January 06, 2012, 02:48:57 PM
I was reading Insessions FB, I read a post from a person, who knows of a heroin user and what she said made sense to me.  With his attitude, smiling, acting oblivious, nonchalant and nodding off, etc. are signs of drug use, especially in heroin users.  I do believe drugs come easily in that prison and widely used, so wouldn't be surprised if that was the case while in court.  He probably went their higher than a kite, for the same reason some said here, his is a COWARD! 

I most certainly pray the judges take his lack of respect of them and the court system seriously and use that to give him the max possibleI

 ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2012, 03:11:05 PM
I was reading Insessions FB, I read a post from a person, who knows of a heroin user and what she said made sense to me.  With his attitude, smiling, acting oblivious, nonchalant and nodding off, etc. are signs of drug use, especially in heroin users.  I do believe drugs come easily in that prison and widely used, so wouldn't be surprised if that was the case while in court.  He probably went their higher than a kite, for the same reason some said here, his is a COWARD! 

I most certainly pray the judges take his lack of respect of them and the court system seriously and use that to give him the max possibleI

 ::boxingjoran::

Agree with all that you said, Dihannah1.   ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2012, 03:19:23 PM
Video at link

http://www.larepublica.pe/06-01-2012/padre-de-stephany-flores-espera-que-caso-van-der-sloot-no-termine-en-la-cidh

Google translation

January 6, 2012
Stephany Father Flores expected to Van der Sloot case does not end at the Commission

 ::snipping2::

Ricardo Flores, father of the murdered young Stephany Flores said he expected the case involving the alleged murderer of his daughter, the Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot does not end at the Human Rights Court, as requested by a Peruvian lawyer in America.

"We will throughout the process we hope that today the Lord will not accept what the prosecutor asked, and go to the process itself, there is another possibility that today accept the charges and read next week the sentence, I hope that the trial continue, and that this is not considered a homicide, "said Ricardo Flores.

Former race car driver made ​​it clear in this way, he hopes the Peruvian justice system is responsible for judging the murder a few months ago confessed to Van der Sloot.

At another point, the girl's father urged President Ollanta Humala not to be surprised and sign a prisoner exchange treaty with Holland, which, the alleged murderer of his daughter can finish serving his sentence at home.

"I invoke the executive to be careful not to be surprised and will sign the permission for this man to go to Holland," he said on Channel 2.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2012, 03:34:02 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1357498/noticia-padre-stephany-flores-conclusion-anticipada-permitira-que-mi-familia-tenga-paz

Google translation

Friday January 6, 2012 - 01:14 pm
Stephany Father Flores: "foregone conclusion that my family will have peace"
 ::snipping2::

Ricardo Flores, father of Stephany Flores Ramirez said after the first hearing in the trial against Joran Van der Sloot was not surprised that the Dutchman has requested time to assess whether to accept the charges imputed to the prosecution for the crime of her daughter.

"I'm not surprised with the agreement that they have raised to accept the indictment. We sensed that this would happen and it's good for my family to complete the process quickly, "he said at a news conference.

The victim's father, who at times was about to break, said the early termination of the process will "so my family can have some peace and close this issue."

Before leaving the Lurigancho Flores again urged the judiciary and the Public Ministry to accomplish a task transparent.

FEARS FOR BENEFITS PRISON
For his part, counsel for Flores, Edward Alvarez, said that if the Dutch hosts the early termination of the process will have access to a more lenient sentence to 30 years in prison sought by prosecutors.

Alvarez said the family of the victim is afraid that when the case profile and lost with the passing of the years, Van der Sloot has access to prison benefits when added to a conviction under 30 years allowed his release from prison in short time.


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Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2012, 03:57:51 PM
Video at link

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-peru-crime-vandersloottre805125-20120106,0,6525951.story

Van der Sloot to "sincerely confess" to murder in Peru
11:24 a.m. CST, January 6, 2012

 ::snipping2::

On the first day of his trial in Lima, he told the court he should not be charged with aggravating circumstances of the murder that could lengthen his sentence.

Under Peruvian law, a prison term for a "sincere confession" to a murder is normally much shorter than one for an outright guilty plea. Prosecutors have said Van der Sloot robbed and killed Flores before fleeing the scene of a crime toChile.

If Van der Sloot formally enters a "sincere confession" to the judges on Wednesday, the trial would quickly enter a sentencing phase and he could spend less than a decade behind bars.

His defense lawyer had said earlier on Friday Van der Sloot would plead guilty.

Van der Sloot's plea strategy prompted the panel of three judges to suspend the trial, which started on Friday, until Wednesday, when his defense team will provide a detailed response to charges presented by prosecutors.

The defense has complained that the panel of three judges is made up exclusively of women and might be biased against him.

Van der Sloot smiled nervously as the trial opened, at times closed his eyes, snoozed or yawned, and stumbled over his own words in Spanish as he told the judges of his plea plans.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: nonesuche on January 06, 2012, 04:03:25 PM
Once again the Sloot devil-spawn shows what he's made of - or how little he's made of?

Anita must be soooo proud that he is keeping up the family tradition of absolutely no accountability for any of the horrors they commit. Makes me physically ill to even hear any of them speak.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 04:03:51 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1357498/noticia-padre-stephany-flores-conclusion-anticipada-permitira-que-mi-familia-tenga-paz

Google translation

Friday January 6, 2012 - 01:14 pm
Stephany Father Flores: "foregone conclusion that my family will have peace"
 ::snipping2::

Ricardo Flores, father of Stephany Flores Ramirez said after the first hearing in the trial against Joran Van der Sloot was not surprised that the Dutchman has requested time to assess whether to accept the charges imputed to the prosecution for the crime of her daughter.

"I'm not surprised with the agreement that they have raised to accept the indictment. We sensed that this would happen and it's good for my family to complete the process quickly, "he said at a news conference.

The victim's father, who at times was about to break, said the early termination of the process will "so my family can have some peace and close this issue."

Before leaving the Lurigancho Flores again urged the judiciary and the Public Ministry to accomplish a task transparent.

FEARS FOR BENEFITS PRISON
For his part, counsel for Flores, Edward Alvarez, said that if the Dutch hosts the early termination of the process will have access to a more lenient sentence to 30 years in prison sought by prosecutors.

Alvarez said the family of the victim is afraid that when the case profile and lost with the passing of the years, Van der Sloot has access to prison benefits when added to a conviction under 30 years allowed his release from prison in short time.


 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Could it be if Joran van der Sloot convinces the court to apply the "simple" murder charge which translates into 8 - 20 years in prison the implication will be that with "reduction credits" Joran would be eligible to be transferred to the Netherlands to serve his sentence?

1.  30 years = 10 years

2.  8 - 20 years = 3+ years

Janet

+++++

November 22, 2011
Joran van der Sloot indicted on murder and robbery
Posted: 01:40 PM ET


<snipped>

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro tells In Session this was a big win for his client. If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

<snipped>

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/22/joran-van-der-sloot-indicted-on-murder-and-robbery/





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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 04:05:16 PM
Once again the Sloot devil-spawn shows what he's made of - or how little he's made of?

Anita must be soooo proud that he is keeping up the family tradition of absolutely no accountability for any of the horrors they commit. Makes me physically ill to even hear any of them speak.



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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 04:16:53 PM
Video at link

http://www.larepublica.pe/06-01-2012/padre-de-stephany-flores-espera-que-caso-van-der-sloot-no-termine-en-la-cidh

Google translation

January 6, 2012
Stephany Father Flores expected to Van der Sloot case does not end at the Commission

 ::snipping2::

Ricardo Flores, father of the murdered young Stephany Flores said he expected the case involving the alleged murderer of his daughter, the Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot does not end at the Human Rights Court, as requested by a Peruvian lawyer in America.

"We will throughout the process we hope that today the Lord will not accept what the prosecutor asked, and go to the process itself, there is another possibility that today accept the charges and read next week the sentence, I hope that the trial continue, and that this is not considered a homicide, "said Ricardo Flores.

Former race car driver made ​​it clear in this way, he hopes the Peruvian justice system is responsible for judging the murder a few months ago confessed to Van der Sloot.

At another point, the girl's father urged President Ollanta Humala not to be surprised and sign a prisoner exchange treaty with Holland, which, the alleged murderer of his daughter can finish serving his sentence at home.

"I invoke the executive to be careful not to be surprised and will sign the permission for this man to go to Holland," he said on Channel 2.


If Joran van der Sloot is permitted to serve a reduced sentence in the Netherlands as Stephany Flores' father fears ... what are the implications in regards to being extradicted to the States to face extortion charges?

Janet


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 04:25:40 PM
Why was Joran van der Sloot afford more time to consider his plea?  The prosecutions charges were revealed over two months ago.

Janet

+++++

Joran van der Sloot hints he'll plead guilty
updated 8 minutes ago


LIMA, Peru — Joran van der Sloot appears ready to accept responsibility for the killing of a Peruvian woman five years to the day after the disappearance in Aruba of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway, for which he remains the prime suspect.

The Dutch citizen sought and received more time to decide how to plead as his trial opened Friday in the May 30, 2010, murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores, whom he met at a Lima casino.

He said he was inclined to confess but doesn't accept the aggravated murder charges the prosecution seeks.

The presiding magistrate of the three-judge panel, Victoria Montoya, said the trial would resume Jan. 11.

When asked moments earlier by Montoya to enter a plea, Van der Sloot answered in Spanish:

"I want to give a sincere confession but I don't agree with all the aggravating factors the prosecutor is putting on me. Can I have more time to think about this?"

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45901809




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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 04:32:53 PM
Joran van der Sloot - In His Own Words

Confession: Joran van der Sloot describes killing Stephany Flores
Published: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 2:51 PM
Updated: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 4:11 PM


<snipped>

Asked for a detailed description of the killing:

"She was on the bed when I hit her hard with my right elbow and I think her head went back and hit the wall, then she begins to bleed, immediately I get on top of her and with both hands I begin to strangle her, keeping her that way for a minute. After that, I throw her to the floor but she keeps breathing. At that moment I take off my shirt and put it on her face, pressing on it. I don't remember for how long but she stops breathing, in this way I think I caused her death."

<snipped>

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/confession_joran_van_der_sloot.html




Joran van der Sloot hints he'll plead guilty
updated 8 minutes ago


<snipped>

The 24-year-old Dutch citizen had repeatedly shaken his head as the prosecutor described for the judges how Van der Sloot allegedly "brutally" beat and strangled the victim in his Lima hotel room, intending to rob her.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45901809


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 06, 2012, 04:41:39 PM
Once again the Sloot devil-spawn shows what he's made of - or how little he's made of?

Anita must be soooo proud that he is keeping up the family tradition of absolutely no accountability for any of the horrors they commit. Makes me physically ill to even hear any of them speak.


Ditto, Nonesy! (Great to see you, BTW!)

It's very different this time, isn't it? No Papa running interference, no Mama petting him as he is released.............. no release period! 

I hope all of Aruba is watching and I hope the entire world is reminded that Natalee never received justice because Aruba protected this "Golden Boy".  Stephany is dead because of that island and his family.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 04:51:41 PM
It appears that Stephany Flores' family's strength and determination may be what it takes for justice to prevail.  It ain't over until its over!!

Janet

+++++

Ricardo Flores

Van der Sloot asks for more time to decide plea in 2010 murder, trial postponed
The Associated Press
Jan 06, 2012 12:10:00 PM


<snipped>

Flores' father, Ricardo Flores, told the AP Friday that the family would participate in the trial in hopes of ensuring that Van der Sloot is also accused of robbery in connection with the killing,

Prosecutors are seeking a 30-year prison sentence on murder and theft charges.

But Jimenez has said he would argue that his client was in a state of emotional distress when he killed Flores and "seek to reduce the charge from first-degree murder to simple homicide." The latter carries a prison sentence of from eight to 20 years.

Police and Flores' family dispute Van der Sloot's version of her death. They say the defendant was hard up for cash and knew the Peruvian business student had been winning at the casino.

"We hope that throughout this process our attorneys can demonstrate the true motives for the killing of my daughter," Ricardo Flores said.

<snipped>

http://www.680news.com/news/world/article/316871--trial-of-joran-van-der-sloot-in-2010-gets-under-way-with-panel-of-3-woman-judges


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 04:52:03 PM
 ::justice2NJ::


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Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2012, 05:56:36 PM
I was reading Insessions FB, I read a post from a person, who knows of a heroin user and what she said made sense to me.  With his attitude, smiling, acting oblivious, nonchalant and nodding off, etc. are signs of drug use, especially in heroin users.  I do believe drugs come easily in that prison and widely used, so wouldn't be surprised if that was the case while in court.  He probably went their higher than a kite, for the same reason some said here, his is a COWARD! 

I most certainly pray the judges take his lack of respect of them and the court system seriously and use that to give him the max possibleI

 ::boxingjoran::

Sounds like something he would do, if for no other reason...to brag about doing it.

He has no respect for authority and he's a coward; through and through.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 06:18:32 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

Jan 6, 2012 3:34pm
Joran Van Der Sloot Seeks Murder Deal in Peru


<snipped>

Today’s hourlong courtroom session appeared to set up a situation where van der Sloot will plead guilty by reason of temporary insanity, which, under Peruvian law, carries a sentence of three to five years.

If he pleads guilty to temporary insanity and the court accepts that plea, he could be set free, according to statements his lawyers have made to ABC News.

They state that Peru has a two-for-one stipulation in its judicial system, meaning a prisoner’s time spent in jail awaiting trial is computed doubly. Van der Sloot has completed more than three years of jail time — the minimum of the three- to five-year term if found guilty.

If given the maximum sentence of five years, he would finish that term in less than two years.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/01/natalee-holloways-suspected-killer-seeks-deal-in-peru/




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Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2012, 06:26:23 PM
I didn't get to watch the trial live today.  I'm watching Vinnie Politan and just saw where the judge made Joran stand up and reminded him that he IS in a court of law and that he needed to sit up and behave appropriately.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Anita and Mary Hamer must be so proud. 

Seems like Mary could have spent some time at the goodwill looking for him something decent to wear to court.  Blue jeans?  Seriously?

But I guess if he wasn't going to behave with any respect it doesn't matter what he wears either.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Have to wonder if he would have been so disrespectful if the three judge panel had been made up of men?

 ::MonkeyMad::





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Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2012, 06:50:44 PM
If cecilita comes by maybe she can tell us what Ricardo Flores is saying in this video, I think it was from today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQxW6mJ_krA

Uploaded by buenosdiasperutv on Jan 6, 2012
El padre de Stephany Flores manifestó su sorpresa e incomodidad por la citación de los jueces. "Lo que quisiera es que este ciclo ya se acabe", indicó tras señalar que las heridas por la muerte de su hija se abren aún más. Buenos Días Perú.

Google translation

Stephany Flores's father expressed surprise and discomfort for the summons of the judges. "What I want is that this cycle is over," he said noting that the wounds on the death of her daughter even more open. Buenos Dias Peru.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2012, 07:01:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX98bq1GiYI

Google translation

Shamans perform strange rituals of punishment against Van Der Sloot spiritual

Uploaded by buenosdiasperutv on Jan 6, 2012
A group of witches have been installed outside the headquarters of Lurigancho to perform a ritual to condemn the young Dutchman. "Stephany Flores calls for justice from the grave," said one of them.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 06, 2012, 07:13:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX98bq1GiYI

Google translation

Shamans perform strange rituals of punishment against Van Der Sloot spiritual

Uploaded by buenosdiasperutv on Jan 6, 2012
A group of witches have been installed outside the headquarters of Lurigancho to perform a ritual to condemn the young Dutchman. "Stephany Flores calls for justice from the grave," said one of them.


Cool.  ::MonkeyWitch1::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 06, 2012, 08:35:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX98bq1GiYI

Google translation

Shamans perform strange rituals of punishment against Van Der Sloot spiritual

Uploaded by buenosdiasperutv on Jan 6, 2012
A group of witches have been installed outside the headquarters of Lurigancho to perform a ritual to condemn the young Dutchman. "Stephany Flores calls for justice from the grave," said one of them.


Cool.  ::MonkeyWitch1::
::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2012, 09:19:44 PM
http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-06-senalan-que-no-se-aplica-confesion-sincera-para-joran-van-der-sloot-noticia_438422.html

Google translation

They say that honest confession does not apply to Joran Van der Sloot
Friday, January 6, 2012 | 8:20 pm

Family Lawyer Stephany Flores, Jose Camarena said the Dutchman can only accept the charges of the prosecution or continue oral proceedings.

At this stage of proceedings against Joran Van der Sloot for the murder of Stephany Flores can not speak of sincere confession and why the Dutch only have until next Wednesday January 11 to decide whether to accept the charges prosecutors.

"I think at this stage of the process, talk about sincere confession technically no longer applies. We must not forget that he has had all the stage-level statements and tried to provide and clarify the facts, "said Jose Camarena, a lawyer for the Flores family.

Speaking to RPP News, noted that Van der Sloot requested time to assess whether early termination welcomed the process, but "more than a foregone conclusion he would have to do is to accept the charges Mr. (...) or else not accept the charges and proceed to trial. "

"The room has raised these alternatives and asked him the time to coordinate details and Wednesday will give its final opinion," he said.

Camarena said that if the Dutch can accept the charges that the College "B" of the Third Criminal Court reduced the 30 years requested by the prosecution, but if you continue with the trial "runs the risk that vary the type and therefore go to life imprisonment. "
 ::snipping2::
Finally, if the room reflected that imposes the maximum sentence of 30 years on Van der Sloot would go to jail for 52 years, not counting prison benefits, and "will remain a very dangerous not only for Peru but for humanity ".


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 10:07:52 PM
http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-06-senalan-que-no-se-aplica-confesion-sincera-para-joran-van-der-sloot-noticia_438422.html

Google translation

They say that honest confession does not apply to Joran Van der Sloot
Friday, January 6, 2012 | 8:20 pm

Family Lawyer Stephany Flores, Jose Camarena said the Dutchman can only accept the charges of the prosecution or continue oral proceedings.

At this stage of proceedings against Joran Van der Sloot for the murder of Stephany Flores can not speak of sincere confession and why the Dutch only have until next Wednesday January 11 to decide whether to accept the charges prosecutors.


"I think at this stage of the process, talk about sincere confession technically no longer applies. We must not forget that he has had all the stage-level statements and tried to provide and clarify the facts, "said Jose Camarena, a lawyer for the Flores family.

Speaking to RPP News, noted that Van der Sloot requested time to assess whether early termination welcomed the process, but "more than a foregone conclusion he would have to do is to accept the charges Mr. (...) or else not accept the charges and proceed to trial. "

"The room has raised these alternatives and asked him the time to coordinate details and Wednesday will give its final opinion," he said.

Camarena said that if the Dutch can accept the charges that the College "B" of the Third Criminal Court reduced the 30 years requested by the prosecution, but if you continue with the trial "runs the risk that vary the type and therefore go to life imprisonment. "
 ::snipping2::
Finally, if the room reflected that imposes the maximum sentence of 30 years on Van der Sloot would go to jail for 52 years, not counting prison benefits, and "will remain a very dangerous not only for Peru but for humanity ".


Thanks Grace.  This makes sense.  It was my understanding until today when various articles implied that Joran could plea a lesser charge than the prosecution put on the table.  However ... I don't comprehend why the judge afforded Joran another five days to think about whether he was going to plead guilty or non-guilty to the Prosecution's charges.  He and the world have known about those charges for over two months.

Janet

++++++


Van der Sloot trial scheduled to begin this Friday in Peru
PeruthisWeek.com
January 5, 2012


<snipped>

Prosecutor Miriam Castellares is asking for 30 years in prison, on charges of murder and simple theft; however, Flores’ family is asking the public prosecutor to amend the charges to “robbery followed by murder.”

According to Edwar Alvarez, the Flores family’s lawyer, under these charges Van der Sloot could receive life imprisonment.

"We aim to present evidence during the trial that will lead the prosecutor to change the classification of the crime, so that it becomes robbery followed by murder. This will not be 30 years in prison, but life imprisonment,” he said to El Comercio.

The prosecution is scheduled to present its case in court on Friday, and will present the evidence and inform Van der Sloot of the charges against him.

The hearing will take place at the courtroom of the Lurigancho prison.

If Van der Sloot declares pleads guilty, the judiciary would issue a ruling in about 48 hours, according to El Comercio.

If he pleads not guilty, the trial would proceed with the presentation of evidence and witnesses.

http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-1311-Van-der-Sloot-trial-scheduled-to-begin-this-Friday-in-Peru/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 10:12:13 PM
Motion denied BUT    ::justice2NJ::

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I wonder if the Kalpoes' attorneys compiled with the judges instructions.

Janet


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Post by: wreck on January 06, 2012, 10:13:42 PM
Justice is coming for Stephany!  ::MonkeyCool:: Natalee is still awaiting hers -- but this is a small step for her family as well.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Anna on January 06, 2012, 10:15:53 PM
I didn't get to watch the trial live today.  I'm watching Vinnie Politan and just saw where the judge made Joran stand up and reminded him that he IS in a court of law and that he needed to sit up and behave appropriately.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Anita and Mary Hamer must be so proud. 

Seems like Mary could have spent some time at the goodwill looking for him something decent to wear to court.  Blue jeans?  Seriously?

But I guess if he wasn't going to behave with any respect it doesn't matter what he wears either.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Have to wonder if he would have been so disrespectful if the three judge panel had been made up of men?

 ::MonkeyMad::





That's it, TxMom.  Joran is totally incapable of showing respect to women.  I have to wonder what in his life caused him to hate women so.  I wonder if Anita wonders the same thing.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 06, 2012, 10:20:20 PM
Motion denied BUT    ::justice2NJ::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/MotionFiled0103121.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/MotionFiled0103122.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/MotionFiled0103123.jpg)

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I wonder if the Kalpoes' attorneys compiled with the judges instructions.

Janet

The hearing was January 3rd and they are given 5 days (I suspect normal court days) so that would be until Jan 10th I believe.  We won't know if they complied (which I highly doubt) until some time after January 10th.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Anna on January 06, 2012, 10:24:40 PM
Video at link

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-peru-crime-vandersloottre805125-20120106,0,6525951.story

Van der Sloot to "sincerely confess" to murder in Peru
11:24 a.m. CST, January 6, 2012

 ::snipping2::

On the first day of his trial in Lima, he told the court he should not be charged with aggravating circumstances of the murder that could lengthen his sentence.

Under Peruvian law, a prison term for a "sincere confession" to a murder is normally much shorter than one for an outright guilty plea. Prosecutors have said Van der Sloot robbed and killed Flores before fleeing the scene of a crime toChile.

If Van der Sloot formally enters a "sincere confession" to the judges on Wednesday, the trial would quickly enter a sentencing phase and he could spend less than a decade behind bars.

His defense lawyer had said earlier on Friday Van der Sloot would plead guilty.

Van der Sloot's plea strategy prompted the panel of three judges to suspend the trial, which started on Friday, until Wednesday, when his defense team will provide a detailed response to charges presented by prosecutors.

The defense has complained that the panel of three judges is made up exclusively of women and might be biased against him.

Van der Sloot smiled nervously as the trial opened, at times closed his eyes, snoozed or yawned, and stumbled over his own words in Spanish as he told the judges of his plea plans.

 ::snipping2::


And then he would come to Alabama to face Federal Extortion Charges.

No matter how it turns out, I do believe Joran's life for all practical purposes is pertty much over.  I mean his life of freedom.

It couldn't happen to a more deserving lout.


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Post by: Anna on January 06, 2012, 10:32:17 PM
I hope Joran remembers that whatever the length of time he ultimately serves for Stephanie's death, he will be headed to Alabama.

He really doesn't want to come here.  No matter how old he is.


I agree!  No, Joran doesn't want to come to Alabama at all.

And federal crimes carry huge penalties like this one I think is 25 years.  That is also about the penalty for robbing an armoured car.  I don't think they get breaks for good time and so forth in federal prison.  At least not so much as lesser ones.

I, on the other hand, want very much for him to come to Alabama.

 ::MonkeyShovel::


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Post by: Ono on January 06, 2012, 10:33:46 PM
I hope Joran remembers that whatever the length of time he ultimately serves for Stephanie's death, he will be headed to Alabama.

He really doesn't want to come here.  No matter how old he is.

You are so right, in my view.  In fact, I think the thought of having to come to Alabama has been terrifying him from the very beginning ... his worst nightmare. lol  Love it.    ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: Anna on January 06, 2012, 10:40:45 PM
They might put a vest on him, but that big head is open, I'm just sayin!

He's a pig. Can't even stay awake for his own murder trial. Here's hoping it's a great day for Stephanie and Natalee.


Yes, Tylergal always commented on his enormous head. 

Well, I'm just saying, too. . . .


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2012, 10:50:41 PM
I wonder if Joran's demeanor in court today wasn't intentional as just another part of his crazy helper's plan to try to get him out of everything he's done.

She has already claimed that he is being drugged by the prison officials.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I wouldn't put anything past him, to try to get this trial overturned down the road.

I hope they're testing him regularly.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2012, 10:52:56 PM
I wonder if Joran's demeanor in court today wasn't intentional as just another part of his crazy helper's plan to try to get him out of everything he's done.

She has already claimed that he is being drugged by the prison officials.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I wouldn't put anything past him, to try to get this trial overturned down the road.

I hope they're testing him regularly.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


self edit   :2redman:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 06, 2012, 11:07:58 PM

I wonder if the Kalpoes' attorneys complied with the judges instructions.

Janet

The hearing was January 3rd and they are given 5 days (I suspect normal court days) so that would be until Jan 10th I believe.  We won't know if they complied (which I highly doubt) until some time after January 10th.

Thanks Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2012, 11:13:34 PM
I wonder if Joran's demeanor in court today wasn't intentional as just another part of his crazy helper's plan to try to get him out of everything he's done.

She has already claimed that he is being drugged by the prison officials.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I wouldn't put anything past him, to try to get this trial overturned down the road.

I hope they're testing him regularly.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



self edit   :2redman:

Or....maybe he's playing macho, macho man (disrespectful and arrangant to the court and 3 female judges) to show off to his prison "friends." 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2012, 11:17:18 PM
I'm listening to the replay of Nancy Grace with jinkasauras.

John Ludwick, another total loser looking for his five minutes of fame. 

You know he's got to be desperate for it to get on national television and blame Stephany for her BRUTAL murder. 

 :smt021

Joran's never done anything wrong if you believe him!   ::MonkeyRoll:: 

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::boxingjoran::

He knew Joran five minutes, but he's on TV defending him?

Michael Griffith called him a first class idiot among other things.    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 06, 2012, 11:20:40 PM
I wonder if Joran's demeanor in court today wasn't intentional as just another part of his crazy helper's plan to try to get him out of everything he's done.

She has already claimed that he is being drugged by the prison officials.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I wouldn't put anything past him, to try to get this trial overturned down the road.

I hope they're testing him regularly.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



self edit   :2redman:

Or....maybe he's playing macho, macho man (disrespectful and arrogant to the court and 3 female judges) to show off to his prison "friends." 


 :2redman:  self-edited  And I used spell check--really!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2012, 11:30:44 PM
I wonder if Joran's demeanor in court today wasn't intentional as just another part of his crazy helper's plan to try to get him out of everything he's done.

She has already claimed that he is being drugged by the prison officials.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I wouldn't put anything past him, to try to get this trial overturned down the road.

I hope they're testing him regularly.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



self edit   :2redman:

Or....maybe he's playing macho, macho man (disrespectful and arrangant to the court and 3 female judges) to show off to his prison "friends." 


Maybe that too, but he usually tries to turn things so that he appears to be the victim.  I wouldn't put it past him to already be planning points for his appeal if the sentence isn't what he thinks it should be.  I foresee reasons being given for his inappropriate behavior today that will imply that it wasn't his fault.  On Showbiz Tonight someone just said exactly what I've been thinking, he's constantly toying with the judicial system; and always seems to get away with it!

 :smt096 :smt093

I guess time will tell. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2012, 11:32:22 PM
I wonder if Joran's demeanor in court today wasn't intentional as just another part of his crazy helper's plan to try to get him out of everything he's done.

She has already claimed that he is being drugged by the prison officials.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I wouldn't put anything past him, to try to get this trial overturned down the road.

I hope they're testing him regularly.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



self edit   :2redman:

Or....maybe he's playing macho, macho man (disrespectful and arrogant to the court and 3 female judges) to show off to his prison "friends." 


 :2redman:  self-edited  And I used spell check--really!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2012, 11:40:22 PM
I didn't get to watch the trial live today.  I'm watching Vinnie Politan and just saw where the judge made Joran stand up and reminded him that he IS in a court of law and that he needed to sit up and behave appropriately.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Anita and Mary Hamer must be so proud. 

Seems like Mary could have spent some time at the goodwill looking for him something decent to wear to court.  Blue jeans?  Seriously?

But I guess if he wasn't going to behave with any respect it doesn't matter what he wears either.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Have to wonder if he would have been so disrespectful if the three judge panel had been made up of men?

 ::MonkeyMad::


That's it, TxMom.  Joran is totally incapable of showing respect to women.  I have to wonder what in his life caused him to hate women so.  I wonder if Anita wonders the same thing.

JMO

She won't ever admit it, but she knows why he's that way; and it's something to do with her!
If it were because of anyone else, I think she would have already thrown them under the bus.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 07, 2012, 12:36:36 AM
Uggggghhhh... the return of 'Sporter' ... or as I like to call him 'Bony Maroonie'

I predicted many moons ago (2006/2007) that Joron the Moron won't live to see his 25th birthday. I certainly could be wrong, but I'm holding firm.

I was surfing Joran and his astrology birth chart the other day. (just for fun)

The astrologer did a write up on Joran... how he had Jupiter stuck in Uranus in the seventh house with a Yod finger... and all that bubbledy zubbbbb!

I just remember the astrologer's final conclusion on Joran, though.

Painful death made to look like an accident. He will never get out alive to stalk the good people of Earth ever again.

So, I've got that to be looking forward to for the 2012, ya know? ::monkeywine2::

HAPPY NEW YEAR MY MONKEY FAMILY! Love you all. We've stuck together through thick and thin. That's what friends are for. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 12:49:43 AM
Uggggghhhh... the return of 'Sporter' ... or as I like to call him 'Bony Maroonie'

I predicted many moons ago (2006/2007) that Joron the Moron won't live to see his 25th birthday. I certainly could be wrong, but I'm holding firm.

I was surfing Joran and his astrology birth chart the other day. (just for fun)

The astrologer did a write up on Joran... how he had Jupiter stuck in Uranus in the seventh house with a Yod finger... and all that bubbledy zubbbbb!

I just remember the astrologer's final conclusion on Joran, though.

Painful death made to look like an accident. He will never get out alive to stalk the good people of Earth ever again.

So, I've got that to be looking forward to for the 2012, ya know? ::monkeywine2::

HAPPY NEW YEAR MY MONKEY FAMILY! Love you all. We've stuck together through thick and thin. That's what friends are for. ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyHeart::

I was just thinking about you earlier...wondering where you were!   ::MonkeyKiss::

No matter how disgusted I may be about the latest, you always make me laugh.

Thank you!   ::monkeywine2::

P. S. Jeff Ashton said George is not tot dad, I'll find the interview if you didn't see it.  We need to find you another avi, that one gives me the creeps.

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 07, 2012, 01:23:00 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/07/van-der-sloot-hints-in-court-that-he-might-plead-guilty-to-murder.html

Van der Sloot Hints in Court that He Might Plead Guilty to Murder
Jan 7, 2012 4:45 AM EST

 ::snipping2::

“My client asked for a time of reflection,” Jose Luis Jimenez, Van der Sloot’s attorney told the Daily Beast later. “He’s considering the possibility of giving a sincere confession, accepting the homicide charges and this in turn, may bring about a reduction of his sentence.”

 ::snipping2::

There is a widely held belief in Peru that Van der Sloot is guilty of killing Flores and in this case there is a body, and a confession. He may have few options other than to plead guilty. A videotape of his confession leaked to the local press shows the investigating prosecutor interrogating Van der Sloot with his responses in broken but intelligible Spanish. At one point the prosecutor asks: “Did you kill Stephany Flores?” Van der Sloot replies: “Yes.” Then the prosecutor repeats the question: “So you did kill Stephany Flores?” Van der Sloot again says: “Yes.”

The proceedings yesterday lasted just over an hour. As he listened to the prosecutor read the charges, Van der Sloot nodded and shook his head at different moments.

Over 70 journalists attended the first day of the trial. Stephany Flores’s older brother Enrique and father Ricardo arrived to face the sea of correspondents. Watery eyed and visibly upset, Ricardo Flores shielded himself behind dark sunglasses. “No matter how much time he is sentenced to, be it 1, 10, 20 or 50 years,” he said, “it will not return my daughter to me.”



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 01:45:34 AM
I know it's not perfect, so please forgive any errors or typos. 

Tonight's Dr. Drew

Dr. Drew  John Q. Kelly, you know I’m looking at this guy and I know Beth has just been through just awful experiences with him, I don’t believe he’s capable of a sincere anything, what are Natalee’s mom’s thoughts?

John Q. Kelly  She’s been down this road with him, she knows that he’s certainly not capable of a sincere confession or any sort of truthful answer or truthful statement.  I think everybody’s over reading his body language and things.  He went into court today to telegraph his aloofness, sort of a first shot over the bow like I don’t care what you do to me, we’re going to do this on my terms or we’re not going to do it.  He went in there; it was a form of poker.  He had the prosecution play their hand; he wanted to hear exactly what they were going to say.  And now he wants to go back and craft whatever he’s going to say in court on Wednesday.  And doctor, you’re not going to hear a sincere confession on Wednesday either.  He’s going to push, he’s going to give the minimum he can get, he’s going to engage in brinkmanship and this won’t get done Wednesday either.  He doesn’t want to admit to the intentional murder and he doesn’t want to admit to the robbery.  Those things were conveyed today when he’d shake his head and look away when they’d bring up certain facts, you could see what he’s going to contest.  He and I circled each other for five years and I know him very well.


(Dr. Drew asks John to give everyone a brief sketch of what it was like in the past with Joran promising things, promising confessions, promising to tell the Holloway’s what happened to their daughter and then nothing, unless it served his needs.)


John Q. Kelly Well of course I mean, he’s scammed so many people out of so much money with so many stories.  I spent a rather lengthy amount of time with him one on one a couple of times in the last month before he went to Peru in this murder, (?) he told me how he had hoodwinked everybody, how he had made fools of everybody; and I can tell you when he was in that courtroom today, there is no doubt that he thinks he’s the smartest person in that courtroom.  He thinks he’s much smarter than those judges, he thinks he’s much smarter than the prosecutor, and he thinks he’s much smarter than his own attorney.  He’s relying on himself and he thinks he’s going to get the better of everybody.

(Dr Drew agrees and refers to Joran being a different quality of criminal than say a Casey Anthony...not good person, mass liar, distorts, doesn’t understand how she’s perceived versus this guy...who gets off on manipulating, taking things from people and murdering people.  He apologizes, but tells John he has one minute.)

John Q. Kelly Casey Anthony wasn’t born and raised to engage in whatever happened with she and her daughter it was probably a short term thing where she made certain bad decisions and is moving on with her life.  Joran van der Sloot was born a self absorbed, attention seeking, control freak who lives in a world of fiction he’s created from his youth where he’s always right, everybody else is wrong, anything that happens it’s not his fault, it’s the other person.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 01:50:59 AM
o.k. Carpe... I guess I deserved that!   ::MonkeyDevil::

I knowwwwww...be careful what you ask for!   ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::piggy::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 02:04:09 AM
Carpe, don't know if you've seen this.   ::MonkeyWink::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=10724.msg1477730#msg1477730



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 07, 2012, 02:11:53 AM
Carpe, don't know if you've seen this.   ::MonkeyWink::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=10724.msg1477730#msg1477730






No, I hadn't seen it. Thanks for the link! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 07, 2012, 02:22:08 AM
Hi Carpe!  Long time, no see! ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 02:29:26 AM
Carpe, don't know if you've seen this.   ::MonkeyWink::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=10724.msg1477730#msg1477730



No, I hadn't seen it. Thanks for the link! ::MonkeyCool::

You're welcome!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 07, 2012, 02:32:06 AM
Hi Carpe!  Long time, no see! ::bee::

hIYA MuffyBee, good to see you! I am still hanging around to see the MONGOL get what he deserves.  ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 02:57:41 AM
In Sessions coverage of the trial on Friday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1mtzGjbiF8


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 04:32:25 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

Justice for Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 04:33:19 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

Justice for Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 04:34:02 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: nonesuche on January 07, 2012, 06:01:17 AM
Once again the Sloot devil-spawn shows what he's made of - or how little he's made of?

Anita must be soooo proud that he is keeping up the family tradition of absolutely no accountability for any of the horrors they commit. Makes me physically ill to even hear any of them speak.


Ditto, Nonesy! (Great to see you, BTW!)

It's very different this time, isn't it? No Papa running interference, no Mama petting him as he is released.............. no release period! 

I hope all of Aruba is watching and I hope the entire world is reminded that Natalee never received justice because Aruba protected this "Golden Boy".  Stephany is dead because of that island and his family.

 ::MonkeyKiss:: I've missed all of you CBB !

I just pray he never sees the outside world again.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: can on January 07, 2012, 07:25:15 AM
Joran is playing them again, just as he did w/interrogators in Aruba.  This time he will lose, its only a matter of time! 
 ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Frijole on January 07, 2012, 08:01:08 AM
Hello all and thanks to everyone for staying the course and providing updates.  That interview with John Kelley was great.  He has Joran pegged.  Smart man.  I bet the judges in Peru have him figured out as well.  May 2012 be the year that JVS pays. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2012, 11:39:33 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/06/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot-trial/?hpt=wo_c2
Van der Sloot postpones plea
January 6, 2012

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120106055813-joran-van-der-sloot-trial-02-story-top.jpg)
Joran van der Sloot appears in court Friday in Lima, Peru, to face charges in the 2010 death of a Peruvian woman.




THE WRITING WAS ON THE WALL

Monkeys Media Reminder … Beth Holloway & Peter R. DeVries on Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio
February 13th, 2008


Beth Holloway:

47:50 - "I feel strongly that he (Joran) is a time bomb that is waiting to go off.  He will strike again.  It is not just for Natalee that I would like to see him behind bars.  I think he has shown us all he has no control over himself or his actions."

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/monkeys-media-reminder-beth-holloway-peter-r-devries-on-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2012, 11:46:04 AM
NANCY GRACE
Van Der Sloot Trial Postponed in Peru
Aired January 6, 2012 - 20:00   ET


JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST: Joran Van Der Sloot - - he took control of that courtroom today, beyond anybody, the prosecution, the judges. It was believed he was going to accept the responsibility for killing Stephany Flores, but no. No, he said, I`ve got to think about it a while. He`s had a year-and-a-half in solitary confinement to think about it.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/06/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 12:32:33 PM
If anyone else missed this show and is interested, the podcast is up!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/01/05/daily-commentary-thursday-january-5-2012-a-preview-of-tonights-dana-pretzer-show/

The Dana Pretzer Show – Thursday, January 5, 2012 – 2011 a Year in Review

 ::snipping2::

Dana welcomes special guests:

From our sister site, Blink from BlinkonCrime
Our own RED, owner of Scared Monkeys

 ::snipping2::

 The Dana Pretzer Show – Thursday, January 5, 2012: Download Podcast


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 12:38:55 PM
Once again the Sloot devil-spawn shows what he's made of - or how little he's made of?

Anita must be soooo proud that he is keeping up the family tradition of absolutely no accountability for any of the horrors they commit. Makes me physically ill to even hear any of them speak.


Ditto, Nonesy! (Great to see you, BTW!)

It's very different this time, isn't it? No Papa running interference, no Mama petting him as he is released.............. no release period! 

I hope all of Aruba is watching and I hope the entire world is reminded that Natalee never received justice because Aruba protected this "Golden Boy".  Stephany is dead because of that island and his family.

 ::MonkeyKiss:: I've missed all of you CBB !

I just pray he never sees the outside world again.

 ::rhino::

I'd missed your post yesterday, but I see we were thinking alike as I'm sure most of us that have followed this were.

It's always good to see you!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 12:49:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8KsSpi7310

From The Early Show

Will van der Sloot trial be tied to Holloway?

Published on Jan 7, 2012 by CBS
Joran Van der Sloot asked for more time to enter a plea in Peru in his trial for allegedly killing a woman there. A guilty plea might drastically shorten his sentence. Will the tactic work? And prosecutors could try to link any plea deal to info on Natalee Holloway. Betty Nguyen reports, then John Miller speaks with famed defense lawyer Barry Slotnick about the trial.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: wreck on January 07, 2012, 02:01:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8KsSpi7310

From The Early Show

Will van der Sloot trial be tied to Holloway?

Published on Jan 7, 2012 by CBS
Joran Van der Sloot asked for more time to enter a plea in Peru in his trial for allegedly killing a woman there. A guilty plea might drastically shorten his sentence. Will the tactic work? And prosecutors could try to link any plea deal to info on Natalee Holloway. Betty Nguyen reports, then John Miller speaks with famed defense lawyer Barry Slotnick about the trial.

What if they made a plea deal that linked Natalee?? Could the U.S. then up their own charges to murder when they get Joran over here for extortion??


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2012, 02:34:24 PM
John Q. Kelly

DR. DREW
Aired January 6, 2012 - 21:00:00   ET


<snipped>

PINSKY: He said he wanted to make a, quote, "sincere confession," unquote, which could potentially qualify him for a reduced sentence.

John Q. Kelly, you know, I`m looking at this guy, and I know Beth has just been through just awful experiences with him. I`m not - I don`t believe he`s capable of a sincere anything. What are Natalee`s mom`s thoughts?

JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR BETH HOLLOWAY: Well, she has been down this road with him. She knows that he`s certainly not capable of a sincere confession or any sort of a truthful answer, truthful statement.

I mean, I think everybody is over reading his body language and things. He went into court today to telegraph his aloofness, sort of a first shot over the bow that I don`t care what you do to me, we`re going to do this on my terms or we`re not going to do it. He went in there. He was a former poker. He had the prosecution play their hand and want to hear exactly what they were going to say.

Now he wants to go back and craft whatever he`s going to say in court Wednesday, and Doctor, you`re not going to hear a sincere confession Wednesday either. He`s going to push. He`s going to give the minimum he can get. He`s going to engage in brinkmanship. And this wouldn`t get done Wednesday either. He doesn`t want to admit to the intentional murder and he doesn`t want to admit to the robbery.

Those things were conveyed today when he shook his head and looked away when they bring up certain facts, you could see what he was going to contest.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/06/ddhln.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2012, 02:37:36 PM
John Q. Kelly

DR. DREW
Aired January 6, 2012 - 21:00:00   ET


<snipped>

KELLY: He`s scammed so many people out of so much money with so many stories, and I spent a rather lengthy amount of time with him one on one a couple of times in the last month before he went to Peru on this murder. He told me how he, you know, hood winked everybody, how he made fools of everybody.

And I can tell you when he was in that courtroom today, there`s no doubt that he thinks he is the smartest person in that courtroom. He thinks he is much smarter than those judges. He thinks he`s much smarter than the prosecutor and he thinks he`s much smarter than his own attorney. He is relying on himself and he thinks he is going to get the better of everybody.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/06/ddhln.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2012, 02:39:15 PM
John Q. Kelly

DR. DREW
Aired January 6, 2012 - 21:00:00   ET


<snipped>

KELLY: Joran van der Sloot was born a self absorbed, attention-seeking, control freak who lives in a world of fiction he`s created from his youth where he`s always right, everybody else is wrong. Anything that happens, it`s not his fault, it`s the other person.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/06/ddhln.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 07, 2012, 02:41:12 PM
Hello Carpe, we're still here ! Amazing.
....
Saw NG last night or whatever program it was on CNN. The one where Michael Griffin called John Ludwig an idiot. Made my evening.
..
I think he will plead guilty, but then have a back story of how it was everyone else's fault.
Don't think he is going to admit to any intent beforehand. It's going to be just one of those things, Stephanie enraged him, he got angry and killed her. And it it going to be the fault of
what has been going on for the past five years, the hounding in the Holloway case. He just snapped when it was brought up again. He probably has to consult with the persons who are supporting him to find a " guilty " story that doesn't make him look so bad for a lesser sentence. He is after all smarter than everyone else, that is why he is in Peru in prison and
99.999% of the rest of the world isn't.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2012, 02:47:07 PM
Dave Holloway

NANCY GRACE
Van Der Sloot Trial Postponed in Peru
Aired January 6, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

DAVE HOLLOWAY, FATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well, I really felt sorry for the Flores family after they gave a statement. And I knew that they were really expecting justice today. And we have been in that situation many times before where we expect the best, and then you get -- your emotions are down on the ground. So I`m sure they`ll pick themselves up and, Wednesday morning, hope for the best.

CASAREZ: You know, Dave Holloway, what you just made me realize is that the modus operandi, the way Joran Van Der Sloot goes about this was repeated in the courtroom today. How many times did he say, I will tell everyone what happened to Natalee Holloway, and the expectation has built, and then it doesn`t happen, or it`s a lie.

And today the expectation was there that he would accept the responsibility, and once again, it didn`t happen. He didn`t come through.

HOLLOWAY: No, he`s done this many times before. And he didn`t come into that courtroom unprepared. I think this was all planned out. And I was kind of surprised when he was coming into the court saying that he was going to plead guilty, and then when the judge asked him to behave in court, his behavior got worse. And I was thinking, you know, he`s just -- you know, killing himself in front of the judge by acting in the manner he was acting in.

I said, I was thinking, you know, if he continues the judge is going to slap him for the full 30. And then when he asked for more time, I thought, well, he`s intentionally angered the judge. Hopefully she won`t react out of emotion rather than rationality. And they did give him the extra time. I thought well, he`s trying to do what he did in our case, is try to cause enough issues and problems where he can get this to appeal to a higher court and possibly out of the country of Peru.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/06/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2012, 02:52:43 PM
[ ::MonkeyShocked::

b]John Ludwick[/b]

NANCY GRACE
Van Der Sloot Trial Postponed in Peru
Aired January 6, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

JOHN LUDWICK, FRIEND OF JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: One thing that doesn`t sit right with me is the clip we keep hearing of Stephany Flores` father saying that he`s glad that his daughter, you know, gave her life to lock up a killer. As far as we know, his daughter created a killer by going on his laptop and looking up stuff about Natalee and then -- when he came back the room confronting him about, you know, what did you do to the girl?

And you know that`s when, I guess, the altercation happened and Stephany lost her life. If she hadn`t have been nosey and confronted him about that, and maybe she would have died. If she -- if she was worried, she should have just left the room and not made a confrontation like that. She created a killer as far as I`m concerned. We don`t know if he was a killer before that.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/06/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 02:54:25 PM
I know it's not perfect, so please forgive any errors or typos. 

Tonight's Dr. Drew

Dr. Drew  John Q. Kelly, you know I’m looking at this guy and I know Beth has just been through just awful experiences with him, I don’t believe he’s capable of a sincere anything, what are Natalee’s mom’s thoughts?

John Q. Kelly  She’s been down this road with him, she knows that he’s certainly not capable of a sincere confession or any sort of truthful answer or truthful statement.  I think everybody’s over reading his body language and things.  He went into court today to telegraph his aloofness, sort of a first shot over the bow like I don’t care what you do to me, we’re going to do this on my terms or we’re not going to do it.  He went in there; it was a form of poker.  He had the prosecution play their hand; he wanted to hear exactly what they were going to say.  And now he wants to go back and craft whatever he’s going to say in court on Wednesday.  And doctor, you’re not going to hear a sincere confession on Wednesday either.  He’s going to push, he’s going to give the minimum he can get, he’s going to engage in brinkmanship and this won’t get done Wednesday either.  He doesn’t want to admit to the intentional murder and he doesn’t want to admit to the robbery.  Those things were conveyed today when he’d shake his head and look away when they’d bring up certain facts, you could see what he’s going to contest.  He and I circled each other for five years and I know him very well.


(Dr. Drew asks John to give everyone a brief sketch of what it was like in the past with Joran promising things, promising confessions, promising to tell the Holloway’s what happened to their daughter and then nothing, unless it served his needs.)


John Q. Kelly Well of course I mean, he’s scammed so many people out of so much money with so many stories.  I spent a rather lengthy amount of time with him one on one a couple of times in the last month before he went to Peru in this murder, (?) he told me how he had hoodwinked everybody, how he had made fools of everybody; and I can tell you when he was in that courtroom today, there is no doubt that he thinks he’s the smartest person in that courtroom.  He thinks he’s much smarter than those judges, he thinks he’s much smarter than the prosecutor, and he thinks he’s much smarter than his own attorney.  He’s relying on himself and he thinks he’s going to get the better of everybody.

(Dr Drew agrees and refers to Joran being a different quality of criminal than say a Casey Anthony...not good person, mass liar, distorts, doesn’t understand how she’s perceived versus this guy...who gets off on manipulating, taking things from people and murdering people.  He apologizes, but tells John he has one minute.)

John Q. Kelly Casey Anthony wasn’t born and raised to engage in whatever happened with she and her daughter it was probably a short term thing where she made certain bad decisions and is moving on with her life.  Joran van der Sloot was born a self absorbed, attention seeking, control freak who lives in a world of fiction he’s created from his youth where he’s always right, everybody else is wrong, anything that happens it’s not his fault, it’s the other person.


All in one post, and pretty dang close to the transcript that has now obviously been published!  Of course watching and hearing is always better than just reading imo.  John Q. Kelly definitely has Joran's "number" imo.

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::monkeywine2::

This is another part of the show last night that I found interesting, but didn't take the time to type out and share...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/06/ddhln.01.html

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PINSKY: Joran van der Sloot tells a Peruvian court he needs more time to think before pleading guilty to having murdered 21-year-old Stephany Flores.

Joining me now is attorney for Beth Holloway, John Q. Kelly, and body language expert Susan Constantine.

Susan, I`m going to ask you first. What did you make of his behavior in court today? We`re going to look at some images where he`s dozing off - we`re trying to get that up on the screen here as we`re going to look at this. He`s dozing off. He`s yawning. He seems insolent.

This guy - this guy really bothers me, and I`m not sure IO can put my finger on why, just looking at his body language, but maybe you can put a little fine point on that for us.

SUSAN CONSTANTINE, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Well, if you could imagine that everything that goes on inside of us, our thoughts and all of our emotion is exhibited through our nonverbal communication, I am certain that all night long he probably tossed and turned, thought, tossed and turned more, and what we`re seeing is of course part of his personality. He really doesn`t care. So he`s got that detachment.

But in addition to that, you can see his long eye closures, the darkening around his eyes and you could also see his eyes shift. So when you`re seeing these shifts, he has almost kind of like a lazy eye. I think that, you know, he`s sleep deprived. That`s what it appears to me, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: It`s as simple as sleep deprivation or is it sleep deprivation. And you`re saying the shifty eyes, to me, that`s just - that means that he`s like trying to manipulate his way out of this.

CONSTANTINE: No, that`s not what I`m saying.

PINSKY: OK. Go ahead.

CONSTANTINE: That`s not what I`m saying. What I`m saying is that, you know, it`s like someone has a lazy eye, where their eyes sometimes shift very lazily over to one side and come back because he`s trying to refocus. You could also see more clouding around his eyes, because he`s not real fresh looking. I mean, he looks tired.

So in addition to that is about his attitude. That`s also plays into it. And, you know, well, he is very arrogant. He has no empathy. We know that he is also a sociopath. What`s new? We already know that already.

But the one thing that I would like you to see what every one may be missing is that how he is answering those questions, even though it`s in another language, it really doesn`t matter. Because when he`s talking about giving a sincere confession, at that exact time, his eyes become very narrowed. His eyes become very squinted. His mouth becomes more horizontal and his lips get very tightened. That`s anger, OK?


So he is feeling more anger. He is very sinister in a lot of his expressions, and, see, that`s what I`m seeing in his body language.

PINSKY: I love the word "sinister" because that feels right with what I`m looking at here.

CONSTANTINE: Right.


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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2012, 03:00:31 PM
Hello Carpe, we're still here ! Amazing.
....
Saw NG last night or whatever program it was on CNN. The one where Michael Griffin called John Ludwig an idiot. Made my evening.  ..

I think he will plead guilty, but then have a back story of how it was everyone else's fault.
Don't think he is going to admit to any intent beforehand. It's going to be just one of those things, Stephanie enraged him, he got angry and killed her. And it it going to be the fault of
what has been going on for the past five years, the hounding in the Holloway case. He just snapped when it was brought up again. He probably has to consult with the persons who are supporting him to find a " guilty " story that doesn't make him look so bad for a lesser sentence. He is after all smarter than everyone else, that is why he is in Peru in prison and
99.999% of the rest of the world isn't.


Hi Kat_Gram

 ::HelloKitty::

The comment made my evening too!!

Janet

+++++


NANCY GRACE
Van Der Sloot Trial Postponed in Peru
Aired January 6, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

MICHAEL GRIFFITH, INTERNATIONAL LAW ATTORNEY/CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY (via phone):  Jean, I want to say something to you. This Mr. Ludwick, I don`t know what`s wrong with this man. This is a first class idiot. For him to go on national television and to say because she looked into his computer that this was her fault, and that he was entrapped. OK. When Van Der Sloot accepted $25,000 -- now I can see why this man is friends with Joran Van Der Sloot. This guy is a complete cretin. And for him to go on national TV to say this I think disgusting. OK? I mean how dare him.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/06/ng.01.html







Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 03:01:36 PM
Hello Carpe, we're still here ! Amazing.
....
Saw NG last night or whatever program it was on CNN. The one where Michael Griffin called John Ludwig an idiot. Made my evening.
..
I think he will plead guilty, but then have a back story of how it was everyone else's fault.
Don't think he is going to admit to any intent beforehand. It's going to be just one of those things, Stephanie enraged him, he got angry and killed her. And it it going to be the fault of
what has been going on for the past five years, the hounding in the Holloway case. He just snapped when it was brought up again. He probably has to consult with the persons who are supporting him to find a " guilty " story that doesn't make him look so bad for a lesser sentence. He is after all smarter than everyone else, that is why he is in Peru in prison and
99.999% of the rest of the world isn't.


Mine too Kat_gram, I was screaming much worse!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyMad::

And yes, his lawyer is already using the "under duress" excuse that they're hoping will contribute to a lesser sentence.  I hope the judges don't fall for that crap and give him the maximum they can.  Regardless of what sentence he gets, I just hope it's true and they send him to the prison deemed the "Siberia" of prisons in Peru.  I'm tired of him living the good life in Castro Castro.  At least if he's there, if his admirer from Florida goes to see him maybe there won't be members of the press there interested in anything she has to say.

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 07, 2012, 03:35:16 PM
Hello Miss Janet. I think of you when I go to Tim's and get an old fashioned plain. Funny how stuff sticks in my brain.
Joran is the way he is because he has always been that way. Some sort of a personality disorder or a brain issue or a mental health issue that was never acknowleded by his parents. They let him rule the roost and they gave into him every time. If anyone created a killer, it was them. Having Anita as staff at his school, well she contiuned to enable him. Paulus being the legal person in the family further gave Joran permission to act the way he did as they were going to get him out of anything he ever did. Val seemed to have turned out ok, the other one seems to be headed in the same direction as Joran. In all these years, my opinion him and the Sloots hasn't changed one bit.       


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2012, 03:47:07 PM
Hello Miss Janet. I think of you when I go to Tim's and get an old fashioned plain. Funny how stuff sticks in my brain.
Joran is the way he is because he has always been that way. Some sort of a personality disorder or a brain issue or a mental health issue that was never acknowleded by his parents. They let him rule the roost and they gave into him every time. If anyone created a killer, it was them. Having Anita as staff at his school, well she contiuned to enable him. Paulus being the legal person in the family further gave Joran permission to act the way he did as they were going to get him out of anything he ever did. Val seemed to have turned out ok, the other one seems to be headed in the same direction as Joran. In all these years, my opinion him and the Sloots hasn't changed one bit.       

I have taken a risk in the last six months and diverted from an "old fashion plain".  A stop at Tim Hortons implies an "apple fritter" with a cuppa tea.

Kat_Gram ... I agree 100% with your take on why Joran's journey in life has led him down the road to where he is today.  Although Joran knows right from wrong and must take responsibility for his actions ... the enablers in his life pave the way.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 04:01:15 PM
http://issuu.com/themorningnews/docs/january_7__2012

The Morning News (Aruba)
January 7, 2012 Page 6

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 04:23:37 PM
Another suicide...   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.diario.aw/2012/01/a-confisca-curpa-di-venezolano-cu-a-comete-suicidio/

Papiamentu translation:

owing to confisca curpa of venezolano cu owing to comete suicidio

publication: friday, 6 january 2012.

categoria: general

oranjestad (aan); autoridad owing to confisca curpa of one muher venezolano yesterday morning. in transcurso of diahuebs morning, police owing to ricibi one calling y is ask presencia of patrol at one direccion at pos diminutive complex 9-c. patrol owing to bay at the cas y they owing to achieve one cumpra of a muher cu do not reacciona. at once the will other autoridad owing to worde notifica for present at the direccion. recherche, docer, police uniforma fuera fiscal also owing to worde poni at height of the sucedido. owing to resulta cu is deal of the madam for some time end will is deprimi y will have intencion less good cu his self. doctor van der linden owing to constata dead of the madam. the victima naci at venezuela owing to bay at the these direccion upstairs menciona close his amigo. for one or another motibo for cual also fiscal owing to consulta cu doctor y recherche owing to dicidi y ordena for her curpa worde confisca y practica autopsia for determina kico owing to conduci dead of the madam 47 year of edad. do not conoci cu will can owing to drink cantidad of pildora cu owing to consecuencia of overdosis past owing to enter in coma y fayece, but autopsia will determina his dead. is deal of the madam maria cloud tanqueva naci at venezuela 28 of august 1965 y was life at one direccion situa at kudawecha. at family of maria word of deep condolencia y for her sosega at paz.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 05:01:37 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/11252392/___Joran_gaat_schuld_bekennen___.html

Google translation

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2012, 05:11:19 PM
Once again the Sloot devil-spawn shows what he's made of - or how little he's made of?

Anita must be soooo proud that he is keeping up the family tradition of absolutely no accountability for any of the horrors they commit. Makes me physically ill to even hear any of them speak.




Ditto, Nonesy! (Great to see you, BTW!)

It's very different this time, isn't it? No Papa running interference, no Mama petting him as he is released.............. no release period! 

I hope all of Aruba is watching and I hope the entire world is reminded that Natalee never received justice because Aruba protected this "Golden Boy".  Stephany is dead because of that island and his family.

 ::MonkeyKiss:: I've missed all of you CBB !

I just pray he never sees the outside world again.

Happy New Year!

You have been missed to.  I watched in Musings for posts of your Christmas cookies.  Could it be that you have finally met that tall, good looking European?

None ... how is Peaches' husband and daughter doing.  I think of them often.  I think of Peaches often.

Anyways ... I agree that the brutal murder of Stephany Flores would not have happened if enablers and a corrupt Aruban investigation had not prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

Janet

 :smt060




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 07, 2012, 05:15:01 PM
More of the same:

http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=10582 (http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=10582)

Joran van der Sloot hints he’ll plead guilty
Posted by Aruba Daily on January 6th, 2012

LIMA, Peru — Joran van der Sloot asked for more time Friday to decide how to plead as his trial opened in the murder of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman. The Dutch citizen said he was inclined to confess but doesn’t accept the aggravated murder charges sought by the prosecution.

The presiding magistrate of the three-judge panel ordered the trial to resume on Jan. 11.

When he was asked moments earlier by presiding judge Victoria Montoya to enter a plea, Van der Sloot answered:

“I want to give a sincere confession, but I don’t agree with all the charges that have been placed on me by the prosecutor. Can I have more time to think about this?”

The 24-year-old defendant, who is also the prime suspect in the unsolved 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway, had repeatedly shaken his head as the prosecutor described for the three judges how Van der Sloot allegedly beat and strangled the victim, intending to rob her.

Van der Sloot long ago admitted to police that he killed Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room on May 30, 2010.

But he claimed in that confession that he did it in a fit of rage after she discovered Van der Sloot’s connection to Holloway’s disappearance on Aruba, the Caribbean island where he was raised. Police forensic experts have disputed that version of events.

Defense attorney Jose Luis Jimenez told The Associated Press before the hearing that there was a 70 percent chance Van der Sloot would plead guilty, which could help him get a reduced sentence.

Prosecutors are seeking a 30-year prison sentence on murder and theft charges.

Jimenez contends his client was in a state of emotional distress when he killed Flores and would “seek to reduce the charge from first-degree murder to simple homicide.”

The latter carries a prison sentence of from eight to 20 years.

Van der Sloot entered the courtroom in Lurigancho prison in Lima Friday morning in a blue blazer and faded blue jeans with a bulletproof vest beneath the jacket. He sported a crew cut and wore an untucked long-sleeved gray shirt.

He took off the vest in the courtroom, which lacked air conditioning, and fidgeted, yawning several times and slouching in his chair.

That drew Judge Montoya’s reproach.

“Sit up straight and show some respect for the court,” she told him.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2012, 05:27:48 PM
More of the same:

http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=10582 (http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=10582)

Joran van der Sloot hints he’ll plead guilty
Posted by Aruba Daily on January 6th, 2012

LIMA, Peru — Joran van der Sloot asked for more time Friday to decide how to plead as his trial opened in the murder of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman. The Dutch citizen said he was inclined to confess but doesn’t accept the aggravated murder charges sought by the prosecution.

The presiding magistrate of the three-judge panel ordered the trial to resume on Jan. 11.

When he was asked moments earlier by presiding judge Victoria Montoya to enter a plea, Van der Sloot answered:

“I want to give a sincere confession, but I don’t agree with all the charges that have been placed on me by the prosecutor. Can I have more time to think about this?”

The 24-year-old defendant, who is also the prime suspect in the unsolved 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway, had repeatedly shaken his head as the prosecutor described for the three judges how Van der Sloot allegedly beat and strangled the victim, intending to rob her.

Van der Sloot long ago admitted to police that he killed Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room on May 30, 2010.

But he claimed in that confession that he did it in a fit of rage after she discovered Van der Sloot’s connection to Holloway’s disappearance on Aruba, the Caribbean island where he was raised. Police forensic experts have disputed that version of events.

Defense attorney Jose Luis Jimenez told The Associated Press before the hearing that there was a 70 percent chance Van der Sloot would plead guilty, which could help him get a reduced sentence.

Prosecutors are seeking a 30-year prison sentence on murder and theft charges.

Jimenez contends his client was in a state of emotional distress when he killed Flores and would “seek to reduce the charge from first-degree murder to simple homicide.”

The latter carries a prison sentence of from eight to 20 years.

Van der Sloot entered the courtroom in Lurigancho prison in Lima Friday morning in a blue blazer and faded blue jeans with a bulletproof vest beneath the jacket. He sported a crew cut and wore an untucked long-sleeved gray shirt.

He took off the vest in the courtroom, which lacked air conditioning, and fidgeted, yawning several times and slouching in his chair.

That drew Judge Montoya’s reproach.

“Sit up straight and show some respect for the court,” she told him.
 ::snipping2::

No remorse!  No conscience!  Arrogant!  Disrespectful!

If any justice is to prevail for Stephany Flores ... the Peruvian judge will afforded Joran van der sloot the 30 year maximum sentence on Wednesday if he pleads guilty to the prosecution's charges.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 05:36:16 PM
http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

Awe Mainta (Aruba)
January 7, 2012

Front Page

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Page 2

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 07, 2012, 07:04:33 PM
In Natalee's Room

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 1-2:
  It's early morning, and the house is quiet.  I'm still lying in bed, eyes closed.  I don't want to open them, because when I do, I'll have to face the day I've dreaded the most for the past twenty months.  Today I have to pack up Natalee's things for the last time.  Today I will have to say the final good-bye.  And I'm not ready.

Eyes still closed, I hear an occasional car pass in front of the house.  Another one stops across the street, and I hear the car door open, letting music and cheerful muffled voices escape for a moment.  Then close again.  The stillness in the house is interrupted by the harmonious tapping of little paws as Macy the dog and Carl the cat move across the hardwood floors.  Stopping for a moment.  Then tapping again.  The cold morning brings the sounds of life's activities as people step into another day of their routines.

Maybe if I don't open my eyes this day will just pass and I won't have to face what I have to do.  The painful inevitable chore that has been looming over me since my beautiful daughter, Natalee disappeared on the last night of her senior high school trip to Aruba.  The day has come to take her room apart and box it up.  I have to go through her belongings, which have remained untouched since she left home on May 26, 2005.  The movers will be here day after tomorrow.

Nothing of my life before Natalee disappeared in Aruba has remained intact.  Not my career.  Not my home.  Not my marriage.  My husband, Jug, and I are divorcing after six years.  My son, Natalee's younger brother, Matt, and I are moving in two days.  I have a lot to do.

I manage to swing my legs off the bed and sit up.  Reluctantly, I open my eyes and sit on the edge for a few moments.  I feel like concrete.  Heavy.  Very heavy.  Finally I stand up and slowly walk a half dozen steps or so down the short hall and turn right at Natalee's bedroom doorway ...

Page 16:  I'm glad I'm alone to recount the events that have brought me to this place on this morning, preparing to pack up and leave this house and Mountain Brook. Standing in the doorway of Natalee's room, I unwillingly step inside to the center of it, look around slowly, take it all in. In what feels like slow motion, I bend my knees until they touch the floor, rest my hands on the light cream-colored rug in front of me, and roll over onto my right side. Curling up in a fetal position, my head tucked down, arms crossing over my chest, I close my eyes again. And the cry I have fought off for almost two years finally comes. The final good-bye cry. And it comes hard. From somewhere deep, deep inside me. And it feels as if it will never stop. As if the pain can never be contained again.


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carpe - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2012, 10:30:52 PM
http://peru21.pe/2012/01/07/impresa/holandes-joran-van-der-sloot-se-burla-justicia-peruana-2006369

Google translation

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Sleuth on January 07, 2012, 11:16:59 PM

I know it's not perfect, so please forgive any errors or typos. 

Tonight's Dr. Drew
 ::snipping2::
All in one post, and pretty dang close to the transcript that has now obviously been published!  Of course watching and hearing is always better than just reading imo.  John Q. Kelly definitely has Joran's "number" imo.

Thank you TM for taking the time to transcribe.  Even though I watched/heard it I've come back to your post twice to catch something.  Your layout was easy to read, imo

He is so arrogant!  I agree - John Q Kelley has him pegged.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 07, 2012, 11:27:04 PM
Good to see you Sleuth!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2012, 12:04:34 AM

I know it's not perfect, so please forgive any errors or typos. 

Tonight's Dr. Drew
 ::snipping2::
All in one post, and pretty dang close to the transcript that has now obviously been published!  Of course watching and hearing is always better than just reading imo.  John Q. Kelly definitely has Joran's "number" imo.

Thank you TM for taking the time to transcribe.  Even though I watched/heard it I've come back to your post twice to catch something.  Your layout was easy to read, imo

He is so arrogant!  I agree - John Q Kelley has him pegged.

Thank you Sleuth!   ::MonkeyCool::

Good to see you!   



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 08, 2012, 12:25:41 AM
I swear this punk doesn't know how to do anything but play games.  I just wish there was an island somewhere for the likes of him and KC Anthony.  All those self-serving monsters could thin out their own herd. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2012, 01:28:02 AM
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1357797/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-no-puede-acogerse-confesion-sincera

Google translation

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01072012_05.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2012, 01:33:08 AM
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1357731/noticia-mas-70-periodistas-extranjeros-cubren-lima-caso-van-der-sloot

Google translate

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01072012_06.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 08, 2012, 01:53:02 AM
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2103945,00.html?xid=gonewsedit

Waiting for the Sentence: Joran van der Sloot's Slow Road to Justice
By Lucien Chauvin / Lima Friday, Jan. 06, 2012

 ::snipping2::
The prosecution wants van der Sloot found guilty of first degree murder, which carries a maximum sentence of 30 years — with the possibility of parole. The prosecution had initially wanted a different charge — aggravated robbery with death — which could impose a life sentence, but the court rejected the request last November.
 ::snipping2::
Van der Sloot's attorney, José Luis Jiménez, says Dutchman's defense is not about proving innocence, but trying to wrangle a lighter sentence than the 30 years requested by the prosecution. "Joran has never denied his involvement in Stephany Flores' death, but he disagrees with the charges formulated by the state," Jiménez told TIME outside Lurigancho.

Van der Sloot and his lawyer object to the "aggravating circumstances" in the first-degree murder charge and that Flores' death was accidental. The defense argument is that van der Sloot should be convicted on manslaughter charges, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years.�It allows for parole after one-third of the sentence is served.

(MORE: From Aruba to Lima: The Case of Joran van der Sloot)

The prosecution maintains that the maximum sentence is justified, because the murder was premeditated and "cruelly and ferociously" carried out.�One of the reasons for the premeditation argument is the fact that Holloway disappeared on May 30 and van der Sloot, the prosecutors alleged, marked the anniversary with a second murder.
 ::snipping2::
The Flores case, on the other hand, is loaded with what seems to be a weight of evidence.�Prosecutor Jose Santisteban told the court that van der Sloot and Flores fought after returning to his hotel room to play on-line poker.�He said she received a message from someone who had been at the poker tournament, warning her of van der Sloot's alleged murder of Holloway. The prosecutor said that Flores had been brutally beaten and that van der Sloot strangled her with a bloody shirt. The police report from the murder scene at the Hotel Tac, a nondescript box next to a gas station, states that Flores' skull was fractured and she suffered significant blows to the face.

Jimenez argues van der Sloot did not set out to kill Flores. He also objects to the idea that the murder was somehow premeditated, because the two had just met.  ::snipping2::

Van der Sloot's could gamble and enter a "not guilty" plea on Jan. 11 in the hope that Montoya and the two other female judges hearing the case lean toward a manslaughter verdict.�If he lets stand the charge as filed, he will automatically receive the 30-year sentence with the chance of parole in 10 years. He will have the right to appeal that sentence.
 ::snipping2::

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2103945,00.html#ixzz1iqUJfLIu


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2012, 03:05:38 AM
From the video...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45889216/ns/world_news-americas/t/natalee-holloway-suspect-joran-van-der-sloot-begin-murder-trial/#.TwlGsaXwtQ0

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01072012_08.png)

Holding back tears Stephany's father says he hasn't been able to mourn his daughter's death, a year and a half later.  "I hope when this is over I will finally be able to cry."




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2012, 03:08:13 AM
Also from the video...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45889216/ns/world_news-americas/t/natalee-holloway-suspect-joran-van-der-sloot-begin-murder-trial/#.TwlGsaXwtQ0

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01072012_09.png)

"Both of our daughters met their fate at the hands of the same killer."

"I would have done anything in order to have this day for Natalee's case."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2012, 03:14:16 AM
From the video...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45889216/ns/world_news-americas/t/natalee-holloway-suspect-joran-van-der-sloot-begin-murder-trial/#.TwlGsaXwtQ0

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01072012_08.png)

Holding back tears Stephany's father says he hasn't been able to mourn his daughter's death, a year and a half later.  "I hope when this is over I will finally be able to cry."


Also from the video...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45889216/ns/world_news-americas/t/natalee-holloway-suspect-joran-van-der-sloot-begin-murder-trial/#.TwlGsaXwtQ0

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01072012_09.png)

"Both of our daughters met their fate at the hands of the same killer."

"I would have done anything in order to have this day for Natalee's case."



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 08, 2012, 04:27:56 AM
After all these years, watching Beth on that video can still break my heart.  God Bless you Beth and I hope you gain some peace from a successful outcome of this trial, along with Stephany's family.

I do not understand the need for a delay while the charges to be faced have to be thought about.  Surely Joran has had ample time over the past 19 months sitting on his butt in a jail cell to know what he plans to plead.

TexasMom thank you for the transcripts as I do not get many of the interviews on our TV channels here.  I appreciate what you do to keep us all up to date.

It is so good to see so many monkeys posting again that have stayed with this case over the years.  May we all be rejoicing at the outcome.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 08, 2012, 04:46:02 AM
I wonder if Joran ever thinks about his life before Natalee? I so hope he misses the sound of the ocean, or the feel of family around him. Maybe he doesn't even think about those things, but I'd bet he misses the feeling that he is in control of his life. I don't think even Joran can look around him at this point and maintain that cocky feeling............. he works hard at trying to look like he still feels that way, but it's pretty transparent.

I think that "need a little more time" move in court is the result of that. He's got to know that life in prison will change after the trial, and I think he just choked. He's afraid, more afraid than he's ever been in his life and there's no way out this time. He's trapped, just as surely as he trapped Natalee and Stephany. He can't get away, just as they could not. His duration of anticipation is far longer than his victims. His anxiety build up from realizing coming and certain death, has been slow and drawn out, but I do believe he knows.

This is it, Monkeys. While this trial is not Natalee's trial, Natalee's case will seal his fate and Natalee's case will be the cause of his failure to reduce the charges and sentence. It will be Natalee that removes the last hope of ever walking free or walking out of prison alive. That pesky fact of the 5th anniversary and the searches about Natalee made by Joran, are going to shut down his best efforts. I even believe that one Beth Holloway had more to do with his arrogant posture in court than any other person on earth, and she can be proud of that. He hates that Beth might view his circumstances with satisfaction.

This is Natalee's justice. We're going to see it and there is nowhere for Joran to run except back within those prison walls to his death. I believe the Flores Family's influence will assure that Joran's experience in prison, post trial, will be to their liking.

We are about to see Justice's path intersect with Joran's, and that scale she's holding has his name on it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 08, 2012, 11:12:47 AM
http://trome.pe/actualidad/1358230/noticia-martin-nizama-joran-tiene-perfil-psicopata

Google translation

Sunday January 8, 2012 - 09:50
Nizama Martin: 'Joran has the profile of a psychopath'
Psychiatrist analyzed gestures and attitudes of Dutch killed Stephany Flores.

The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (24) is cold, calculating and not regret anything, so has the profile of a psychopath, the psychiatrist concluded Nizama Martin.

The specialist examined the attitudes of the murderer of Stephany Flores (21), during his presentation at the Third Criminal Chamber Defendants Jail, where he was defiant, threw himself into a chair, yawned and scratched his head, so that the judge caught his attention.

"Mark the area as saying" I am the owner of the room, "but then comes anxiety. He scratches the body, touch, takes off his clothes, because at heart he is a coward, "said Nizam.

Van der Sloot added that has the profile of a "primary psychopath". "Inability to feel values ​​have to respect rules, to feel guilt or regret," he said.

To Nizama, that the defendant seeks to benefit from a sincere confession, accepting that killed Stephany, is just a legal strategy (to receive fewer years in prison), "but he does not feel guilty."

NO BENEFITS

In turn, José Camarena, an attorney for Ricardo Flores, the victim's father, said that the EU does not qualify for the figure of a sincere confession.

"At this stage of the process, this benefit does not apply technically. The Chamber raised him and he asked those alternatives term to coordinate details. On Wednesday give its final opinion, "he said.

 ::snipping2::

If the Dutch accepted the charges, the penalty may be reduced to 15 years or less.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 08, 2012, 11:25:07 AM
http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2012/01_januari/08/binnenland/joran-van-der-sloot-spontaan-en-optimistisch-advocaat-jimenez.xml

Google translation

RTL News | January 8, 2012, 16:01
Lawyer: Joran optimistic

Joran is spontaneous and makes fast friends in prison in Peru. Navarro Jimenez says that his lawyer in an interview with Nina Jurna for RTL News
 ::snipping2::
Jose Jimenez Navarro, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, was world-famous overnight. One after another camera crew comes to his home, an office for the inexperienced lawyer yet. Jimenez took over the business from his uncle, who stepped down as attorney of Joran after dispute over money.

Jiménez makes the best of Joran in prison. "He is sitting with three prisoners in a cell, where he has entered into friendship. He uses all the possibilities out there, he works in the prison and is optimistic."

A fair trial
Joran attorney doubts whether his client a fair trial. "He has from the outset had no interpreter, he just had to sign documents and Stephany's family is very influential and has great power here." Tomorrow will discuss with his lawyer, Van der Sloot's strategy for the next meeting. Scheduled for Wednesday at 16:00 hours Dutch time.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2012, 12:07:31 PM
After all these years, watching Beth on that video can still break my heart.  God Bless you Beth and I hope you gain some peace from a successful outcome of this trial, along with Stephany's family.

I do not understand the need for a delay while the charges to be faced have to be thought about.  Surely Joran has had ample time over the past 19 months sitting on his butt in a jail cell to know what he plans to plead.

TexasMom thank you for the transcripts as I do not get many of the interviews on our TV channels here.  I appreciate what you do to keep us all up to date.

It is so good to see so many monkeys posting again that have stayed with this case over the years.  May we all be rejoicing at the outcome.



Hi Tibro!   ::HelloKitty::

It is still heartbreaking to watch Beth especially knowing how long she and all of Natalee's loved ones have waited for Justice and answers.  It's just not right.  That's why it makes me so mad when the defender's of Joran try to blame his being hounded and questioned about Natalee all these years as a reason for his madness and actions.  Natalee's family has only done what any family should do in their situation...never give up!  Fortunately they have had help from many in the media to keep searching for the answers they need and deserve.  And Joran has PUT HIMSELF back in the spotlight MANY TIMES when he needed money; and has only added to the torment he's put Natalee's loved ones through.  But his defender's don't seem to have a problem with that!

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Joran has had ample time to know what he wanted to do; as John Q. Kelly said this delay is just one more way of his trying to have control.  He thinks he's smarter than them all!  I think the judges only granted it so it wouldn't be a point for appeal; so I'm glad they did.  jmo

He is just trying to manipulate the system in Peru like his father taught him so well.  All of the complaints he's filed are part of that, and I'm sure we'll see more before this is over.

I can just imagine what attorneys will join him to try to manipulate the justice system here when he is eventually extradited to Alabama to face charges.  I feel sure that work is already in progress.

You're welcome Tibro.  I have kind of spread myself thin (with the time I have) following more than just Natalee and Stephany's cases so I don't transcribe as much as I usually would.  But there are some things I see or hear that stand out that I want to share with everyone right away.

It does my heart good to see so many monkeys back and posting too!  And I hope we can all rejoice together here soon as well.  As Beth has said many times, justice comes in many forms.  And although this trial is about Stephany's murder in particular; justice for her will also be some justice for Natalee.  I'll still continue to pray for the day when Natalee and her family receive the answers and ultimate justice they all deserve. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2012, 12:17:01 PM
I wonder if Joran ever thinks about his life before Natalee? I so hope he misses the sound of the ocean, or the feel of family around him. Maybe he doesn't even think about those things, but I'd bet he misses the feeling that he is in control of his life. I don't think even Joran can look around him at this point and maintain that cocky feeling............. he works hard at trying to look like he still feels that way, but it's pretty transparent.

I think that "need a little more time" move in court is the result of that. He's got to know that life in prison will change after the trial, and I think he just choked. He's afraid, more afraid than he's ever been in his life and there's no way out this time. He's trapped, just as surely as he trapped Natalee and Stephany. He can't get away, just as they could not. His duration of anticipation is far longer than his victims. His anxiety build up from realizing coming and certain death, has been slow and drawn out, but I do believe he knows.

This is it, Monkeys. While this trial is not Natalee's trial, Natalee's case will seal his fate and Natalee's case will be the cause of his failure to reduce the charges and sentence. It will be Natalee that removes the last hope of ever walking free or walking out of prison alive. That pesky fact of the 5th anniversary and the searches about Natalee made by Joran, are going to shut down his best efforts. I even believe that one Beth Holloway had more to do with his arrogant posture in court than any other person on earth, and she can be proud of that. He hates that Beth might view his circumstances with satisfaction.

This is Natalee's justice. We're going to see it and there is nowhere for Joran to run except back within those prison walls to his death. I believe the Flores Family's influence will assure that Joran's experience in prison, post trial, will be to their liking.

We are about to see Justice's path intersect with Joran's, and that scale she's holding has his name on it.


Thank you CBB.

Janet

+++++


Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY: And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

<snipped

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2012, 12:18:47 PM
 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2012, 12:23:59 PM
Waiting for the Sentence: Joran van der Sloot's Slow Road to Justice
By Lucien Chauvin / Lima
Friday, Jan. 06, 2012


http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2103945,00.html?xid=gonewsedit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2012, 01:10:56 PM
I wonder if Joran ever thinks about his life before Natalee? I so hope he misses the sound of the ocean, or the feel of family around him. Maybe he doesn't even think about those things, but I'd bet he misses the feeling that he is in control of his life. I don't think even Joran can look around him at this point and maintain that cocky feeling............. he works hard at trying to look like he still feels that way, but it's pretty transparent.

I think that "need a little more time" move in court is the result of that. He's got to know that life in prison will change after the trial, and I think he just choked. He's afraid, more afraid than he's ever been in his life and there's no way out this time. He's trapped, just as surely as he trapped Natalee and Stephany. He can't get away, just as they could not. His duration of anticipation is far longer than his victims. His anxiety build up from realizing coming and certain death, has been slow and drawn out, but I do believe he knows.

This is it, Monkeys. While this trial is not Natalee's trial, Natalee's case will seal his fate and Natalee's case will be the cause of his failure to reduce the charges and sentence. It will be Natalee that removes the last hope of ever walking free or walking out of prison alive. That pesky fact of the 5th anniversary and the searches about Natalee made by Joran, are going to shut down his best efforts. I even believe that one Beth Holloway had more to do with his arrogant posture in court than any other person on earth, and she can be proud of that. He hates that Beth might view his circumstances with satisfaction.

This is Natalee's justice. We're going to see it and there is nowhere for Joran to run except back within those prison walls to his death. I believe the Flores Family's influence will assure that Joran's experience in prison, post trial, will be to their liking.

We are about to see Justice's path intersect with Joran's, and that scale she's holding has his name on it.

ITA CBB!   ::MonkeyKiss::

I'm sure he does miss having control over his life whether he'd want anyone to know it or not.    He knew he'd be on television everywhere and just look at him at his trial.  He looked pale, clammy, really bad hair cut, a glaring zit that was very prominent in one picture I saw (hehe) , dressed poorly...and his behavior was horrible but that was all he had control over so he used that.  If I could have captured it I would have but there was a point right after the judges were seated that there was a look in his eyes of the disdain he had for the women judges...like yeah right they're going to judge ME!  Well IMO that is justice in one form too.  It disgusted me to hear some of the commentators question whether Joran would captivate these women judges...since he is such a ladies man...and influence their decision in this case!  GMAFB! 

But you're right CBB, Natalee will be in the minds of all who judge Joran.  And he played as much a role in that as anyone.  He used Natalee in his lies to his mother and the Chilean authorities in the BS story he made up about "what really happened".  That story was pathetic, and just goes to show how much help Joran had in Aruba from his father.  But Joran didn't have him there to "get the story straight" this time.  His lies were pathetic, and they didn't fool anyone...except maybe his mother and some of her cronies?  And then when Chile expelled him back to Peru instead of allowing him to go back to Aruba...he wants to talk to the Aruban authorities about Natalee?  Now why would he want to do that if he was innocent in Natalee's case?  So even without a trial or conviction in Natalee's case, I feel confident that Joran himself has left little if any doubt in the minds of those in Peru, who may not have known about the events in Aruba when they happened...but who know what went on after his arrest in Stephany's case; that he was GUILTY in Natalee's case as well!  He didn't have a clean up crew in Peru either, and the evidence of many kinds speaks of his desperation and proves exactly who murdered Stephany!

Joran's meeting face to face with Justice has been a long time coming; he has only delayed the inevitable.

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 08, 2012, 01:22:40 PM
Well said, TM!!  ::MonkeyGavel::

We're going to see it............. justice for Natalee. How incredibly tragic that another young girl has lost her life and another family is left to cope with the loss because Joran was allowed to walk free.

Those cigars can be lit. The ticking clock is about to chime.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2012, 02:04:38 PM
Well said, TM!!  ::MonkeyGavel::

We're going to see it............. justice for Natalee. How incredibly tragic that another young girl has lost her life and another family is left to cope with the loss because Joran was allowed to walk free.

Those cigars can be lit. The ticking clock is about to chime.

Absolutely CBB, tragic indeed.   ::MonkeyNoNo::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: San on January 08, 2012, 07:23:52 PM
I wonder if Joran ever thinks about his life before Natalee? I so hope he misses the sound of the ocean, or the feel of family around him. Maybe he doesn't even think about those things, but I'd bet he misses the feeling that he is in control of his life. I don't think even Joran can look around him at this point and maintain that cocky feeling............. he works hard at trying to look like he still feels that way, but it's pretty transparent.

I think that "need a little more time" move in court is the result of that. He's got to know that life in prison will change after the trial, and I think he just choked. He's afraid, more afraid than he's ever been in his life and there's no way out this time. He's trapped, just as surely as he trapped Natalee and Stephany. He can't get away, just as they could not. His duration of anticipation is far longer than his victims. His anxiety build up from realizing coming and certain death, has been slow and drawn out, but I do believe he knows.

This is it, Monkeys. While this trial is not Natalee's trial, Natalee's case will seal his fate and Natalee's case will be the cause of his failure to reduce the charges and sentence. It will be Natalee that removes the last hope of ever walking free or walking out of prison alive. That pesky fact of the 5th anniversary and the searches about Natalee made by Joran, are going to shut down his best efforts. I even believe that one Beth Holloway had more to do with his arrogant posture in court than any other person on earth, and she can be proud of that. He hates that Beth might view his circumstances with satisfaction.

This is Natalee's justice. We're going to see it and there is nowhere for Joran to run except back within those prison walls to his death. I believe the Flores Family's influence will assure that Joran's experience in prison, post trial, will be to their liking.

We are about to see Justice's path intersect with Joran's, and that scale she's holding has his name on it.

ITA CBB!   ::MonkeyKiss::

I'm sure he does miss having control over his life whether he'd want anyone to know it or not.    He knew he'd be on television everywhere and just look at him at his trial.  He looked pale, clammy, really bad hair cut, a glaring zit that was very prominent in one picture I saw (hehe) , dressed poorly...and his behavior was horrible but that was all he had control over so he used that.  If I could have captured it I would have but there was a point right after the judges were seated that there was a look in his eyes of the disdain he had for the women judges...like yeah right they're going to judge ME!  Well IMO that is justice in one form too.  It disgusted me to hear some of the commentators question whether Joran would captivate these women judges...since he is such a ladies man...and influence their decision in this case!  GMAFB! 

But you're right CBB, Natalee will be in the minds of all who judge Joran.  And he played as much a role in that as anyone.  He used Natalee in his lies to his mother and the Chilean authorities in the BS story he made up about "what really happened".  That story was pathetic, and just goes to show how much help Joran had in Aruba from his father.  But Joran didn't have him there to "get the story straight" this time.  His lies were pathetic, and they didn't fool anyone...except maybe his mother and some of her cronies?  And then when Chile expelled him back to Peru instead of allowing him to go back to Aruba...he wants to talk to the Aruban authorities about Natalee?  Now why would he want to do that if he was innocent in Natalee's case?  So even without a trial or conviction in Natalee's case, I feel confident that Joran himself has left little if any doubt in the minds of those in Peru, who may not have known about the events in Aruba when they happened...but who know what went on after his arrest in Stephany's case; that he was GUILTY in Natalee's case as well!  He didn't have a clean up crew in Peru either, and the evidence of many kinds speaks of his desperation and proves exactly who murdered Stephany!

Joran's meeting face to face with Justice has been a long time coming; he has only delayed the inevitable.

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::

I totally agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: San on January 08, 2012, 07:25:20 PM
Well said, TM!!  ::MonkeyGavel::

We're going to see it............. justice for Natalee. How incredibly tragic that another young girl has lost her life and another family is left to cope with the loss because Joran was allowed to walk free.

Those cigars can be lit. The ticking clock is about to chime.

Because Aruba allowed him to get away with murder.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: San on January 08, 2012, 07:27:10 PM
Aruba's new slogan.  If you need to get away with murder come and enjoy the sun and we will take care of the rest.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2012, 07:31:37 PM
Psalm 28:
The LORD is my strength and my shield; in him my heart trusts, and I am helped.


Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Pages 100:
He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years.  Now I must trust Him to care for her.  So I never ask Him why.  Why Natalee?  Why me?  I don't ask.  To do that undermines faith.  Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside.
 
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.


He Will Carry You
 
There is no problem too big
God cannot solve
There is no mountain too tall
He cannot move
There is not storm too dark
God cannot calm
There is no sorrow too deep
He cannot soothe

If He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
I know, my brother that He will carry you
If He carried the weight of the world upon His shoulders
I know, my sister that He will carry you

He said come on to me all who are weary
And I will give you rest

Scott Wesley Brown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9JEsJJYjyI


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 08, 2012, 08:24:56 PM
http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2012/januari/08/-overplaatsing-joran-is-fabeltje

Google translation

Sunday hours 08-01-201218:49
"Transfer Joran's fable"

Reports that the prison service in Peru INPE plans to Joran to be transferred to the notorious prison Challapalca are pure fantasy. That says Van der Sloot's lawyer, Jose Jimenez Navarro. He said there has never been the case for his client to the "Siberia of Peru" would be sent, as the prison in the Andes Mountains is also called.

 ::snipping2::

The Challapalca prison, located in the district of Tacna in southern Peru, was opened in 1996 in particular members of terrorist groups like the Shining Path to close. The human rights situation in these prisons is controversial. This includes, but less so for the Miguel Castro Castro Prison.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 08, 2012, 10:23:25 PM
Video at link (Spanish)

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1357733/noticia-conoce-tres-mujeres-que-juzgaran-joran-van-der-sloot

Google translation

Meet three women who judge Joran van der Sloot
Victoria Montoya, Martha Vargas, Pilar Carbonell should confirm or deny the request for 30 years against the Dutch
Saturday January 7, 2012 - 12:13 am

Three judges make up the third criminal division for inmates in jail. They will be up to them to confirm or deny the request of 30 years in prison did the prosecution against Joran van der Sloot for aggravated homicide of the young Stephany Flores.

 ::snipping2::

The judge who presides over the room, Victoria Montoya Peraldo was who ruled last year against FAP instructors Vicente Mendoza Jorge Gutierrez, Abraham Rojas Marcos Gaitan Cave and Narro, confirming that tortured the Air Force recruits Frank Romero Arrieta .

In 2010, Judge Martha Vargas Gonzales integrated the fourth room for inmates in jail penalty which gave freedom to the folk singer Abencio Meza, when the artist was six months in the Women's Criminal Chorrillos. Also sentenced to 25 years to three barristers Alianza Lima that killed a worker stoned to steal the phone.

Pilar Carbonell, meanwhile, was investigated by the OCMA to release two books counterfeiters just a couple of days after they were captured.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Frijole on January 08, 2012, 10:47:12 PM
Interesting that ole Joran will be judged by 3 women.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I watched the video and they all 3 look very serious and appear to be taking their job seriously.  I'd think his pompass attitude would do him no favors. 

Time for justice to prevail.  Hang him.   ::MonkeyHang:: ::MonkeyHang::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2012, 10:50:05 PM
Interesting that ole Joran will be judged by 3 women.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I watched the video and they all 3 look very serious and appear to be taking their job seriously.  I'd think his pompass attitude would do him no favors. 

Time for justice to prevail.  Hang him.   ::MonkeyHang:: ::MonkeyHang::

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 09, 2012, 01:48:57 AM
Interesting that ole Joran will be judged by 3 women.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I watched the video and they all 3 look very serious and appear to be taking their job seriously.  I'd think his pompass attitude would do him no favors. 

Time for justice to prevail.  Hang him.   ::MonkeyHang:: ::MonkeyHang::

ITA, Frijoli! It's just perfect that women will judge Joran. Something tells me his charm has waned.   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2012, 02:21:14 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/stephany_mariaelena.jpg)

Justice for Stephany! 

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2012, 02:27:17 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: IBE on January 09, 2012, 02:40:42 AM
The good monkey family is still here! See you all on the 11th! Wish he'd come here and the good ole boys from Ala. would show him how it is. OK, it will be done lawfully! then maybe Aruba will understand our system! (remembering a quote from Arline Schippers (sp)

 ::justice2NJ:: and Peaches


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 09, 2012, 06:50:51 AM
Interesting that ole Joran will be judged by 3 women.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I watched the video and they all 3 look very serious and appear to be taking their job seriously.  I'd think his pompass attitude would do him no favors. 

Time for justice to prevail.  Hang him.   ::MonkeyHang:: ::MonkeyHang::

That did not escape me, either. What a kick in his egg basket... to be a stark raging psychopath with a white hot 'hate-on' for women... and then be forced to stand in front of them and basically beg for his life.

You know he has to be hating that... which of course means that I'm loving it.

Furthermore, I hope they are three of the meanest ol' hens in all of Peru.

In the end, after they have sentenced him to life in prison, when asked why they made the decision that they did...

I hope one of those ol' girls says "I think he looks like a jerk and acts like a jerk... and if you ask me, I think he was ASKING FOR IT!"

I want to live to see this thing come full circle. No story has ever touched me as much as Natalee's and Stephany's.

No innocent should ever have to suffer the way I know they did. It's the year 2012. 12 in the Bible symbolizes AUTHORITY.

I'd love to see Joran get a good ol' fashion down home azz whoopin' and be forced to answer to authority.

This better be that year that we finally get to witness it. It's time to put that man-boy out of business.

Body= Man
Brain= Mischievous Little Boy
Heart = Coward
Soul = Only remnants remain where one used to live, long ago. A soul must be fed to keep it alive - it's a living thing like a tree, it needs food, water, and air for sustenance.
His looks like a burnt out barbecue grill. Nothing left. It was poisoned by himself and a family who claimed to "love" him. It's odd how one person's definition of love can be
another person's definition of hate.

Paul and Miss Clown Shoes must have hated Joran the Moron to death.

Ya see, love should never hurt you or your family. If it does - then it has become hate with a fake 'love mask' on.

Learn how to discern it - recognize as quickly as possible, and get away from hate/fake love. Nothing ever good comes from it.

It's like stepping down a spiral staircase in to a dungeon. There is always a point of no return, where you wish you could change it, but it's too late.


Joran is doomed - yet like a fool, he still has the energy to laugh & smirk. There is little time left for Joran in this world. The clock ticking just keeps getting faster and louder for him.

God Bless the Holloways & the Flores families through this dark time. They need our real love and prayers to see this thing through to THE END.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Frijole on January 09, 2012, 08:28:24 AM
Good one Carpe - as always spot on.  Meanest old hens in Peru. ::MonkeyDevil::

Hope they peck his eyes out. He is overdue.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: sharon on January 09, 2012, 08:28:31 AM
I'm still intrigued by Anita's name change back to her maiden name. You do that when you get divorced - NOT when you are widowed?

Much more behind that, IMO.

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Sister on January 09, 2012, 11:43:47 AM
The good monkey family is still here! See you all on the 11th! Wish he'd come here and the good ole boys from Ala. would show him how it is. OK, it will be done lawfully! then maybe Aruba will understand our system! (remembering a quote from Arline Schippers (sp)

 ::justice2NJ:: and Peaches
o/t good to see you IBE -- have been concerned.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2012, 11:51:10 AM
I'm still intrigued by Anita's name change back to her maiden name. You do that when you get divorced - NOT when you are widowed?

Much more behind that, IMO.

 ::justice2NJ::


 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2012, 11:56:40 AM
The good monkey family is still here! See you all on the 11th! Wish he'd come here and the good ole boys from Ala. would show him how it is. OK, it will be done lawfully! then maybe Aruba will understand our system! (remembering a quote from Arline Schippers (sp)

 ::justice2NJ:: and Peaches

Hi IBE

 ::HelloKitty::

It has been a while.  I hope all is well.  See ya on the 11th.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 09, 2012, 01:38:58 PM
Eight offshore banks are the subject of United States federal grand jury investigations examining whether they helped Americans evade taxes, a sign that authorities may be ready to issue subpoenas to those banks as part of a crackdown on offshore tax cheating.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/20/us-offshorebanks-idUSTRE78J30E20110920


The latest turn in the Wegelin case comes amid a broad criminal probe by the U.S. Justice Department of 11 Swiss and Swiss-style banks, including Wegelin, suspected of selling offshore tax evasion services to tens of thousands of wealthy Americans. Inquiries, growing out of scrutiny of UBS, are focused on Credit Suisse AG and Basler Kantonalbank among others.
http://news.yahoo.com/u-moves-toward-legal-action-against-swiss-bank-060210358.html


The Aruban economy is very open and is highly dependent on tourism and offshore financial services.


FOLLOW THE MONEY
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4554.360
Part 2
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4554.400


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 09, 2012, 02:02:31 PM
You Murdered Stephany Flores
Joran: Si

(http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/01/06/213499-dutch-citizen-van-der-sloot-stands-in-front-of-a-judge-during-his-tria.jpg)

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120106063959-peru-van-der-sloot-yawns-story-top.jpg)

(http://kfmb.images.worldnow.com/images/16466230_BG1.jpg)

(http://www.abc6onyourside.com/shared/newsroom/top_stories/videos//images/sloot_0rMrx.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2012, 07:06:55 PM
The good monkey family is still here! See you all on the 11th! Wish he'd come here and the good ole boys from Ala. would show him how it is. OK, it will be done lawfully! then maybe Aruba will understand our system! (remembering a quote from Arline Schippers (sp)

 ::justice2NJ:: and Peaches

I'm so glad to see your post IBE, I've been worried about you!   ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2012, 07:14:59 PM
Interesting that ole Joran will be judged by 3 women.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I watched the video and they all 3 look very serious and appear to be taking their job seriously.  I'd think his pompass attitude would do him no favors. 

Time for justice to prevail.  Hang him.   ::MonkeyHang:: ::MonkeyHang::

That did not escape me, either. What a kick in his egg basket... to be a stark raging psychopath with a white hot 'hate-on' for women... and then be forced to stand in front of them and basically beg for his life.

You know he has to be hating that... which of course means that I'm loving it.

Furthermore, I hope they are three of the meanest ol' hens in all of Peru.

In the end, after they have sentenced him to life in prison, when asked why they made the decision that they did...

I hope one of those ol' girls says "I think he looks like a jerk and acts like a jerk... and if you ask me, I think he was ASKING FOR IT!"

I want to live to see this thing come full circle. No story has ever touched me as much as Natalee's and Stephany's.

No innocent should ever have to suffer the way I know they did. It's the year 2012. 12 in the Bible symbolizes AUTHORITY.

I'd love to see Joran get a good ol' fashion down home azz whoopin' and be forced to answer to authority.

This better be that year that we finally get to witness it. It's time to put that man-boy out of business.

Body= Man
Brain= Mischievous Little Boy
Heart = Coward
Soul = Only remnants remain where one used to live, long ago. A soul must be fed to keep it alive - it's a living thing like a tree, it needs food, water, and air for sustenance.
His looks like a burnt out barbecue grill. Nothing left. It was poisoned by himself and a family who claimed to "love" him. It's odd how one person's definition of love can be
another person's definition of hate.

Paul and Miss Clown Shoes must have hated Joran the Moron to death.

Ya see, love should never hurt you or your family. If it does - then it has become hate with a fake 'love mask' on.

Learn how to discern it - recognize as quickly as possible, and get away from hate/fake love. Nothing ever good comes from it.

It's like stepping down a spiral staircase in to a dungeon. There is always a point of no return, where you wish you could change it, but it's too late.


Joran is doomed - yet like a fool, he still has the energy to laugh & smirk. There is little time left for Joran in this world. The clock ticking just keeps getting faster and louder for him.

God Bless the Holloways & the Flores families through this dark time. They need our real love and prayers to see this thing through to THE END.




 ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino::

 ::boxingjoran::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2012, 07:17:37 PM
Good one Carpe - as always spot on.  Meanest old hens in Peru. ::MonkeyDevil::

Hope they peck his eyes out. He is overdue.

Absolutely!   ::CowboySmiley::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2012, 07:19:18 PM
I'm still intrigued by Anita's name change back to her maiden name. You do that when you get divorced - NOT when you are widowed?

Much more behind that, IMO.

 ::justice2NJ::


I agree.   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2012, 07:59:38 PM
From Anita's facebook.  Valentijn and Sebastian both scare me, mostly Sebastian.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/AnitaHugen.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=582598335&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=582598335&sk=wall)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 09, 2012, 09:03:52 PM
Anita scares me 

 ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2012, 09:17:16 PM
They're all pretty scary to me!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2012, 09:26:44 PM
Valentijn's facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563135080 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563135080)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/valentijnslootfb.jpg)

Looks like he's "trunkless" to me


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2012, 09:44:34 PM
Sebastian's facebook ( he really scares me).

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=759158169 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=759158169)

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/372063_759158169_1776801198_n.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 09, 2012, 10:06:11 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Latest-on-van-der-Sloot/_llFbqJPwUu3Xl3aC6UCYQ.cspx

Latest on van der Sloot
January 9, 2012 - 8:53 PM

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WIAT) -- Van der Sloot has confessed to killing Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room. The killing occurred after Flores found material related to Holloway on his laptop.

 ::snipping2::

"We've been told it will go to trial later this month," U.S. Attorney Joyce White Vance says. "We still do have detainers in place at this time and our expectation is that as soon as he returns to Alabama, we'll try him here."

Those Federal charges claim van der Sloot took money from Natalee's family after promising to tell them where her body could be found.

He took the money but didn't give them the information.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 09, 2012, 10:09:48 PM
Good to see you again, IBE!  We were worried about you.

We're still here for Natalee!   ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: IBE on January 09, 2012, 10:11:49 PM
BBQ grill, now that's funny!
Sabatian, IMO, is on steroids
I been ill for 4 mos. sinus, flu, lost ability to walk and in Dec, type 2 diabetes; am building strength; tomorrow is my "debut" for cleaning and gardening.

Good to know we are together again! ::MonkeySlide::  ::MonkeySkate::

If my name were Van der Sloot, I'd change it too, for survival!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: IBE on January 09, 2012, 10:14:30 PM
sorry, meant "I have been"


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: IBE on January 09, 2012, 10:16:31 PM
meant "I have been".


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2012, 10:20:39 PM
Valentijn's facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563135080 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563135080)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/valentijnslootfb.jpg)

Looks like he's "trunkless" to me

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Wouldn't surprise me at all.

Like Joran, I don't think he's got much to worry about anyone seeing...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2012, 10:24:38 PM
BBQ grill, now that's funny!
Sabatian, IMO, is on steroids
I been ill for 4 mos. sinus, flu, lost ability to walk and in Dec, type 2 diabetes; am building strength; tomorrow is my "debut" for cleaning and gardening.

Good to know we are together again! ::MonkeySlide::  ::MonkeySkate::

If my name were Van der Sloot, I'd change it too, for survival!

Soooo glad you are on the mend IBE - I was worried about you!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2012, 10:26:10 PM
IBE - take your time cleaning and gardening.  Just to a little at a time then take a break.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2012, 10:27:26 PM
Sebastian's facebook ( he really scares me).

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=759158169 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=759158169)

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/372063_759158169_1776801198_n.jpg)



Me too, he's not normal.  Not even close imo.   ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2012, 10:31:31 PM
BBQ grill, now that's funny!
Sabatian, IMO, is on steroids
I been ill for 4 mos. sinus, flu, lost ability to walk and in Dec, type 2 diabetes; am building strength; tomorrow is my "debut" for cleaning and gardening.

Good to know we are together again! ::MonkeySlide::  ::MonkeySkate::

If my name were Van der Sloot, I'd change it too, for survival!

I'm so glad you're getting better IBE, I've been praying for you.  Please ease back into your housework and gardening, don't overdo it!

It made my day to see you back here and feeling better!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyKiss::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 09, 2012, 10:32:22 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-to-U-S-after-trial-in-Peru-UPDATE/T_Uj6V4ml0qkYGmkLUlFZA.cspx

Van der Sloot to U.S. after trial in Peru? (UPDATE)
January 9, 2012 - 9:16 PM

UPDATE:   The U.S. Attorney's office here in Birmingham has confirmed the Justice Department has a detainer filed thru Interpol that would allow for van der Sloot to be held for trial here in Birmingham if he were to be released for any reason in Peru.

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  Will a murder conviction for Joran van der Sloot lead to an icy cell in an area known as the Siberia of Peru...or to an even less hospitable extradition to face legal charges in Alabama?

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 09, 2012, 11:07:09 PM
Sebastian's facebook ( he really scares me).

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=759158169 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=759158169)

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/372063_759158169_1776801198_n.jpg)



Me too, he's not normal.  Not even close imo.   ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo::


 ::MonkeyEek:: At first glance, I thought that pic of Sea-bass was Chaz Bono   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2012, 11:47:08 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2012, 11:49:11 PM
I know Magnolia's happy where ever she watched the game tonight!

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: IBE on January 09, 2012, 11:58:21 PM
IBE - take your time cleaning and gardening.  Just to a little at a time then take a break.  ::MonkeyCool::

OK thanks Klaas and everyone!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2012, 12:51:12 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06032010_Funeral1-1.jpg)

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GScid=2234804&GRid=53226497&

Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez

Birth:    Jul. 22, 1988, Peru
Death:    May 30, 2010, Peru

Crime Victim. Stephany Flores Ramirez was a business student less than a year from graduation at the University of Lima. Her father was Peruvian businessman, Ricardo Flores and her mother was Marielena Ramirez. Ricardo Flores, a former race car driver and politician, buried his daughter in the famous Jardines de la Paz cemetery. A suspect Joran van der Sloot was arrested in Chile and was returned to Peru as of June 4, 2010. Earlier, Joran van der Sloot was a suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teen, Natalee Ann Holloway, in Aruba. Stephany Flores met her fate five years to the day after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba.
Ricardo Flores called on authorities to bring van der Sloot to Peru to face justice.
 
Burial:
Jardines de la Paz
Lima
Lima Province, Peru
Plot: Flores

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanysGrave.jpg)

Justice for Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2012, 12:57:51 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)


Justice for Natalee!


 ::justice2NJ::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 10, 2012, 02:12:42 AM
Sebastian's facebook ( he really scares me).

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=759158169 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=759158169)

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/372063_759158169_1776801198_n.jpg)



He's got that Van der sloot smirk, swagger & bloated puffery. In his mind he is saying:

"Look at how big I am, listen to the big scary bass drum sounds as I fervently beat on my pasty white man boobies, just like big silverback gorilla!"

" I is big boy and eat ALL THE pannekoeken my mommy ever fed me. I, SEABAS, new King of Aruba."


From my perspective, he is over-compensating. You do not need to pose to be a tough guy, if you do, it expresses worry and fear. Maybe he's missing something?

Protesting too much - stinks of lack of self confidence and fear of something, to those that know the stench of flop sweat... they will pop his balloon in seconds flat.

Real Ones - never have to PUFF UP. That's a lame exercise from boyhood youth - it takes extra wasted seconds putting on a big show... while those same wasted seconds would

be best used on Sebas' face, sticking him into the ground like a lawn dart.

Lesson 1 for Seabas =  Real men, no puffie up stickie out. They explode on you like it came from out of nowhere. No need for those silly little MAN FLAGS.

Sillyness from youth - most times, is best left behind. A lot of times it will get you put right on your CAN.

...and wouldn't it be embarrassing if you had to run home to Anita for a kissie on your boo-boo, now that you're the size of a Peterbilt dump hauler? ::MonkeyKiss:: ...just sayin'


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 10, 2012, 02:31:27 AM
I know Magnolia's happy where ever she watched the game tonight!

 ::MonkeyDance::

Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer....give em hell Alabama.
I was pleased and pleasantly surprised.  Roll Tide!!

 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 10, 2012, 02:33:05 AM
IBE - take your time cleaning and gardening.  Just to a little at a time then take a break.  ::MonkeyCool::

OK thanks Klaas and everyone!

 ::MonkeyHeart::

Love ya IBE... stay strong... but listen to klaas.... don't over-do it. Build that energy back up in manageable steps. So glad to hear you feel so much better!!! You're a true survivor,lady ::HelloKitty::

We're lucky to still have you here on SM! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: San on January 10, 2012, 05:51:21 AM
Sebastian's facebook ( he really scares me).

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=759158169 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=759158169)

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/372063_759158169_1776801198_n.jpg)



Me too, he's not normal.  Not even close imo.   ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree.  Something is very wrong with him.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 10, 2012, 09:20:34 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/10/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn (http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/10/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn)

Van der Sloot back in Peruvian court to face murder charge

By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 6:46 AM EST, Tue January 10, 2012

CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot returns to a Peruvian courtroom on Wednesday, five days after requesting more time to "reflect" on what plea he will make in his murder trial.

The 24-year-old Dutch national indicated on Friday that he was willing to make a "confession" in the 2010 killing of Stephany Flores, but that he did "not agree with the aggravating factors" as defined in the murder charge levied against him.

Given this statement, the panel of three judges decided to give van der Sloot until Wednesday to make a final decision. There is no jury.

This was the latest twist in a case that has made international headlines, in part because of the circumstances of the killing but also because van der Sloot was arrested twice, but never charged, in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway.
 ::snipping2::

On Wednesday, van der Sloot is expected to finally give his plea in the Lima courtroom. He is charged with "qualified murder" and simple robbery in the killing of 21-year-old Flores.

If it is not guilty, then the trial will resume before the all-female judicial panel. If he pleads guilty, the sentencing phase would begin.

On Friday, prosecutors went over all the evidence and witnesses they had and gave a summation of the case against van der Sloot.
 ::snipping2::
If found guilty on all counts, van der Sloot could face a sentence of up to 30 years in prison.

Besides the Flores murder trial, van der Sloot also faces possible extradition to the United States. In June 2010, a federal grand jury in Alabama indicted him on charges of wire fraud and extortion after allegations surfaced that he tried to extort $250,000 from Holloway's mother, Beth.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 10, 2012, 12:23:37 PM
http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2012/januari/10/-moeder-joran-boycot-zaak-om-media

Google translation

posted:
01/10/2012 - 9.30
last updated:
01/10/2012 - 9.30
Author:
AP

"Mother Joran thing to boycott media '
 
Anita van der Sloot, mother of Joran van der Sloot, was not present at the trial of her son in Peru because the media attention her too much. Joran's lawyer, Jose Navarro Jiménez, this has nothing to do with the relationship between mother and son, which the lawyer is excellent.

"A few weeks ago, Joran received a card from her," says Jimenez. Shortly after Van der Sloot was arrested in June 2010 for the death of Peruvian Stephany Flores, left his mother out to break contact with him if it turned out that he is guilty. Jimenez says now that both Joran and the good counsel and structural contact with Anita van der Sloot maintained.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2012, 12:47:03 PM

Exclusive: Joran van der Sloot's Mom: 'He Is Not a Murderer'
June 18, 2010


Joran van der Sloot's mother still believes her son is innocent, insisting in an email obtained exclusively by ABC News that "he is not a murderer."

Anita van der Sloot hasn't spoken publicly since her son's arrest in Peru, until now.

"I am not giving interviews to any American media station because I don't trust them. Stay safe and pray for Joran. He is not the monster they like the world to see. he is traumatized, depressed an has an addiction. He is not a murderer. It stinks and feels like a big trap set up for him."

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/article/exclusive-joran-van-der-sloots-mother-speaks-time/story?id=10935217


Joran van der Sloot - In His Own Words

Confession: Joran van der Sloot describes killing Stephany Flores
Published: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 2:51 PM
Updated: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 4:11 PM


<snipped>

Asked for a detailed description of the killing:

"She was on the bed when I hit her hard with my right elbow and I think her head went back and hit the wall, then she begins to bleed, immediately I get on top of her and with both hands I begin to strangle her, keeping her that way for a minute. After that, I throw her to the floor but she keeps breathing. At that moment I take off my shirt and put it on her face, pressing on it. I don't remember for how long but she stops breathing, in this way I think I caused her death."

<snipped>

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/confession_joran_van_der_sloot.html




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 10, 2012, 12:58:56 PM
Joran's down to 24 hours. Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock.

MONKEYS:     
                            (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/kittycorn.gif)






JORAN:   
                       (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/valium-kitty3.gif)


::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 10, 2012, 01:04:55 PM
Sebastian's facebook ( he really scares me).

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=759158169 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=759158169)

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/372063_759158169_1776801198_n.jpg)



Me too, he's not normal.  Not even close imo.   ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree.  Something is very wrong with him.


Okay. New Natalee Thread rule:

This photo cannot be the first post on a page. I pulled it up and jumped so high, I fell outta my chair.       ::MonkeyTongue::

He's skeeeeery!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 10, 2012, 01:06:52 PM
Anybody think Sebastian looks like John Candy's evil twin?    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 10, 2012, 01:15:07 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/09/joran-van-der-sloot_n_1194547.html

Joran Van Der Sloot's Peru Murder Trial Delay 'Not Surprising,' Expert Says
First Posted: 1/10/12 08:48 AM ET Updated: 1/10/12 09:13 AM ET

Joran van der Sloot's recent request to postpone his murder trial in Peru isn't surprising and may not affect his reported plans to plead guilty, an international defense expert said.

"It is my feeling he is going to go through with the guilty plea," said Michael Griffith, senior partner at the International Legal Defense Counsel. "I don't think he is going to go to trial.

"The prosecutor presented some new information in court and I think van der Sloot felt he needed some time to put together a guilty speech to address the concerns of the prosecutor," Griffith told The Huffington Post.

"The atmosphere in court there was not conducive of a one-on-one situation like lawyers in the states are accustomed to," Griffith said. "His lawyer did not have his client next to him at a table where he could talk to him. The continuance allows them to meet privately to discuss the issues."
 ::snipping2::
Regardless of what happens in Peru, Griffith said van der Sloot will eventually be extradited to the U.S. for the alleged extortion plot.

According to Griffith, the passive personality principle of international law allows a country to prosecute someone who has killed or injured an American citizen in a foreign country. In essence, jurisdiction is based on the nationality of the victim and not the location of the crime. Griffith said one example of that would be the Leon Klinghoffer case.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Frijole on January 10, 2012, 02:11:53 PM
Anybody think Sebastian looks like John Candy's evil twin?    ::MonkeyEek::
I don't know but what are the chances that two out of three sons would be sociopathic monsters?  Looks like one to me!  Just plain scary.  Kid is a mess.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2012, 04:05:58 PM
Peruvian justice is not justice when the brutal murder of Stephany Flores is considered.

Even if Joran van der Sloot received the maximum sentence afforded by the prosecution's charges ... according to his attorney the implication is that with "reduction credits" the 30 year sentence translates into 10 years.  With double time "reduction credits" for time already served ... the 10 year sentence translates into 7 years.

Does a 7 year sentence imply that Joran is eligible for a transfer to the Netherlands/Aruba to serve out his sentence?  Will the Netherlands/Aruba extradict this monster to the States to face extortion charges when his sentence is complete?

Anyways ... IF Joran pleads guilty to the prosecution's charges tomorrow ... it is my understand that the world will be privy to the outcome within 48 hours.

Janet

+++++

Joran van der Sloot back in court Wednesday
updated 3:15 PM EST, Tue January 10, 2012


<snipped>

On Wednesday, the trial could pick up where it left off, with van der Sloot admitting to “qualified murder” and “simple robbery” as charged. Then he would go on to recount the night of May 29, 2010 and the early morning hours of May 30. A so-called “sincere” confession could potentially go a long way in helping him reduce the 30 years of incarceration asked for by prosecutors by half or even more.

<snipped>

http://joybehar.blogs.cnn.com/article/2012/01/10/what-expect-joran-van-der-sloot-back-court-wednesday




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2012, 04:09:15 PM
Self-Edit - Last Post

guilding s/b guilty


Fixed = San


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 10, 2012, 05:40:34 PM
http://noticias.univision.com/america-latina/peru/article/2012-01-10/van-der-sloot-holandes-aceptaria-declararse-culpable-asesinato?ftloc=channel1460:wcmWidgetUimStage&ftpos=channel1460:wcmWidgetUimStage:1#axzz1j5vI9o1B

Google translation

Dutch agree to plead guilty in Peru
AFP | Date: 01/10/2012

Peruvian youth crime

LIMA - Dutchman Joran van der Sloot will come on Wednesday to the Peruvian court trying him and is likely to accept killing in May 2010 a young woman, after last week asked for time to reflect, his lawyer said Tuesday.

"You can say that things are designed," said his lawyer, Jose Luis Jiménez.

The defender said van der Sloot would be willing to accept in full the prosecution who blame him for killing Stephany Flores (21 years) with cruelty and ferocity in a hotel in Lima on May 30, 2010 after the two met in a casino playing poker, so it asks to be sentenced to 30 years in prison.
 ::snipping2::
The plea would allow Van der Sloot (24 years) to benefit from the "early termination" of the process, which would authorize a reduction of sentence and also to enjoy benefits after leaving prison to prison, according to Peruvian law .
 ::snipping2::
For his part, Edward Alvarez, a lawyer for the family of the victim, told AFP that "at least to him (Van der Sloot) would be that (accept his guilt) because it could have a sentence reduction of 30 to 29 or 28 years ".

Crimes

Alvarez said that if Van der Sloot does not accept the charge would go to a process in which the defendant not only exposed to a sentence of 30 years. "If evidence emerges at trial that it was robbery with death row could be charged with robbery followed by death, which is punishable by life imprisonment."

Counsel disagreed with the lawyer Jimenez, who estimated days ago that the reduction of sentence for the defendant could be up to fifteen years. "That's absurd," said Alvarez, who said that the reduction of the sentence is "at the discretion of the court."

Counsel for the family of the victim also said the accused could hardly receive Dutch prison privileges because it is a "psychopath" according to the examinations he underwent, so that their freedom would be a danger to society.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2012, 09:09:01 PM
Dutchman ready to admit killing Peruvian woman: attorney
(AFP) – 4 hours ago


LIMA — Dutchman Joran van der Sloot is scheduled for a hearing Wednesday before a Peruvian court where he is likely to admit having killed a young woman in May 2010, according to his attorney.

Last week, he told the court he needed more time to think about his plea.

"It can be said that things are on track," Jose Luis Jimenez, Van der Sloot's attorney, told AFP.

The defense attorney said Van der Sloot would be ready to fully admit the prosecution's charges that blame him for killing Stephany Flores, 21, "with cruelty and ferocity" in a Lima hotel on May 30, 2010 after they met playing poker in a casino.

She was found dead after being beaten and strangled.

The prosecution is asking that Van der Sloot be sentenced to 30 years in prison.

<snipped>

So far, we are headed in that direction (of a guilty plea), nothing special has changed," said Jimenez, who said he would have a final meeting with the accused before the hearing Wednesday.

"You don't have to be very smart to know where it's going," he said.

Admitting guilt would allow Van der Sloot, 24, to qualify for an "early termination" of his case, which comes with benefits under Peruvian law such as a reduced sentence and authorized leave from prison.

If he pleads guilty, the court has jurisdiction to sentence him within 48 hours.

<snipped>

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5joumUsXsR68wrC8S3AdSaLE6iI7g?docId=CNG.4b7ab4b02d9b30a080640aed4f7b015d.591





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2012, 09:11:58 PM
Dutchman ready to admit killing Peruvian woman: attorney
(AFP) – 4 hours ago


<snipped>

Edward Alvarez, lawyer for the family of the victim, told AFP that a guilty plea by Van der Sloot would most likely result in "a reduction in penalty from 30 to 29 or 28 years."

If Van der Sloot denies the charges, he would be go through a legal process that could make him subject to potential life imprisonment.

"If during the trial evidence arises that it was a robbery with death consecutively, he could be charged with robbery followed by death, which is punishable by life imprisonment," Alvarez said.

He disagreed with Van der Sloot's attorney, who estimated days ago that his client could have his sentence reduced by 15 years with a guilty plea.

"That's absurd," said Alvarez, who said a reduced sentence is "at the discretion of the court."

He also said Van der Sloot was unlikely to receive the kinds of prison privileges granted in the Netherlands because examinations of him determined he was a "psychopath" who represented a danger to society if he was freed.

<snipped>

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5joumUsXsR68wrC8S3AdSaLE6iI7g?docId=CNG.4b7ab4b02d9b30a080640aed4f7b015d.591



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2012, 09:13:38 PM
Van der Sloot likely to admit killing Peruvian woman, his attorney says
AFP / NEWSCORE
Last Updated: 6:28 PM, January 10, 2012

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/says_der_sloot_likely_attorney_admit_EQd5Abmeq1sWAjKccBzN7K


Van der Sloot due to plea in murder case
Published: 6:46 pm
Updated: 6:58 pm

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-due-to-plea-in-murder-case/8_CFBUaR7UGKdv8L7BI6kQ.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2012, 09:16:11 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/06/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot-trial/?hpt=wo_c2
Van der Sloot postpones plea
January 6, 2012

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120106055813-joran-van-der-sloot-trial-02-story-top.jpg)
Joran van der Sloot appears in court Friday in Lima, Peru, to face charges in the 2010 death of a Peruvian woman.




THE WRITING WAS ON THE WALL

Monkeys Media Reminder … Beth Holloway & Peter R. DeVries on Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio
February 13th, 2008


Beth Holloway:

47:50 - "I feel strongly that he (Joran) is a time bomb that is waiting to go off.  He will strike again.  It is not just for Natalee that I would like to see him behind bars.  I think he has shown us all he has no control over himself or his actions."

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/monkeys-media-reminder-beth-holloway-peter-r-devries-on-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio/




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 10, 2012, 09:17:26 PM
 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2012, 12:30:24 AM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/peruaanse-proces-tegen-joran-van-start/

Google translation

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01102012_PRDV1.png)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2012, 12:40:06 AM
http://twitter.com/peterrdev (http://twitter.com/peterrdev)

Google translation:

 ::snipping2::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01102012_PRDV2.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2012, 12:45:38 AM
http://twitter.com/peterrdev (http://twitter.com/peterrdev)

Google translation:

 ::snipping2::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01102012_PRDV3.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 11, 2012, 01:23:31 AM
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1359220/noticia-luchamos-sentencia-que-le-permita-van-der-sloot-rehacer-su-vida

Google translation

We fought for a ruling that will allow Joran van der Sloot rebuild their lives"
To counsel the Dutch murderer, "things are designed" so that his client now makes use of the early termination of the process for the death of Stephany Flores
Wednesday January 11, 2012 - 12:30 am

 ::snipping2::
"We changed strategy"
The Dutch lawyer admitted that the surprising attitude of Van der Sloot at the start of trial against him, where he assumed responsibility for the crime, was due to a change in strategy at the last minute before what he called "media pressure" in this case.

"(The early conclusion of the process) was always latent especially seeing the situation as there is media around the case. This also goes for the head of Van der Sloot, "he said.

Jimenez also noted that another reason to have the Dutch to qualify for the early termination of the trial "* is to obtain a ruling that allowed some time to rebuild his life" *, because if convicted to 30 years in prison " will be difficult you might have a future. "

"I expect a sentence of 20 years"
Although the former lawyer Max Highness poker player repeatedly argued that the confession made by Van der Sloot to the National Police had no validity, Jimenez said that these statements are the sincere confession of his client. The lawyer said that the Board should take this into account when issuing his ruling.

In that sense, he considered that "the characteristics of the process," the Dutchman could be sentenced to 20 years in prison, that is, ten less to what the prosecution calls for him for the murder of Flores Ramirez, which occurred on May 30 2010.

"If we do not get a reduction that allows you to rebuild their lives, we will appeal to the Supreme Court," he said.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2012, 01:57:11 AM
More threats, if Joran isn't given the sentence they think will enable him to "rebuild" his life...they will appeal.

SERIOUSLY?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

What about Stephany's life? 

No breaks for the monster!  He doesn't have anything to "rebuild".

 ::boxingjoran::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ:: 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2012, 02:15:33 AM
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/joran_van_der_sloot/1.html

 ::snipping2::

"Van der Sloot is someone who likes to live on the edge, who likes to believe that he is brighter, smarter, bigger, and better than other people," Clint van Zandt, a former FBI profiler, told truTV. "He thinks he has outfoxed the criminal justice system for five years and has gotten away with murder in Aruba, which has made him believe that he could get away with anything.

 ::snipping2::

In Aruba, Joran began to express a violent side; during his early teen years counseling was sought after he pilfered money from his father and allegedly behaved violently towards his brother, Kees van der Spek, a Dutch investigative news reporter, told truTV. While taking a violent child to see a therapist is a rational thing to do, it would later become clear that the parents, especially his father, not only exerted little control over the youth, but even seemed to condone illegal behavior. His father on one occasion gave money to a casino to let Joran gamble, and routinely let him drive, although driving and gambling are illegal activities in Aruba for those under the age of 18, van der Spek related.

Peter R. DeVries

In a revealing set of circumstances years during the investigation of Holloway's disappearance, van der Sloot was confronted on a talk show in the Netherlands about his notorious self-implication, caught on a hidden camera, in the hiding of Holloway's body.

Backstage, after the show, van der Sloot threw a glass of wine in the face of investigative reporter Peter R. DeVries, according to van der Spek, a colleague of DeVries. Witnesses said that the reaction of the parents, who were on hand, was strange, in that they immediately began consoling their son without any apology to DeVries. This then prompted van der Sloot's younger brother to begin shouting that the parents only paid attention to Joran and his needs while ignoring him, van der Spek told truTV. Anita van der Sloot declined to speak with truTV when contacted by phone.

"What I do know is that Joran was the boss of his father and mother," van der Spek told truTV. "He would tell them what to do and not the other way around."

 ::snipping2::

Outside of school, van der Sloot's extracurricular activities soon came to the attention of the police; his father may have used his connections to keep his son out of jail even before Natalee's disappearance. Police officials told van der Spek that it was rumored that that van der Sloot began frequenting Internet forums soon after arriving at Aruba in which he solicited couples visiting the island on cruise ships to have sex for money. Van der Spek also reported that van der Sloot had pushed a classmate through a plate-glass window when he was 16, about a year before Natalee's disappearance, and that, while drunk, van der Sloot had assaulted a homeless man and thrown him in the ocean

On a typical night leading up to Natalee's disappearance, van der Sloot, when not playing poker, frequented late-night bars and was suspected on several occasions of slipping date-rape drugs into unsuspecting women's drinks, although the local police have yet to explain what, if any, investigation these suspicions received. Harold Copus, a former FBI investigator who specializes in missing persons cases, told truTV that at least one young woman was willing to come forward to offer proof about these allegations and rumors before changing her mind and declining to be interviewed.

 ::snipping2::

For many, it seemed Joran in all likelihood got away with murder, and they felt that he apparently felt little or no shame for any involvement in cutting the young and promising life of Natalee short. Many of his detractors also believe that the incident seemed to have fed his already oversized ego, making him think he was invincible after outmaneuvering authorities.

"Something in him snapped," Byars told truTV. "He probably then felt like nothing could stop him."


 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2012, 02:58:16 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06302010_StephanyMemorial_2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/12042011Stephany1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/12042011Stephany2-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/stephany_mariaelena.jpg)

Justice for Stephany! 

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Frijole on January 11, 2012, 07:19:16 AM
 ::MonkeyHang::

Hang him - he doesn't deserve to rebuild anything.  He doesn't deserve life.  He had many chances.  Too late.

Justice for those he hurt and those he WOULD hurt if allowed to roam free.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 07:54:49 AM
Time is Joran's unwelcomed companion he can no longer ignore. IMO, it doesn't matter how much time he gets, his miserable life is ticking away on it's own personal clock and he knows it. Today's proceedings remove his ability to push that clock behind him and pull him up to have to look it in the eye. Natalee will be there today and her presence will assure that he doesn't get a sentence he can squeeze any hope from. He searched for her just before he commemorated his murderous actions toward her with yet another, and that record will take away his hope of somehow getting by, until he can walk free. This was no crime of passion........ Natalee will tell them.

Tick Tock, Joran.   (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/clock2.gif)   Tick Tock. (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/clock3.gif)   


The Bell is Tolling.   (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/clock.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 11, 2012, 08:10:44 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/11/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/index.html?eref=rss_latest&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+Most+Recent%29
Van der Sloot returns to court to face murder charge
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 2:21 AM EST, Wed January 11, 2012

(CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot returns to a Peruvian courtroom on Wednesday, five days after requesting more time to "reflect" on what plea he will make in his murder trial.

The 24-year-old Dutch national indicated on Friday that he was willing to make a "confession" in the 2010 killing of Stephany Flores, but that he did "not agree with the aggravating factors" as defined in the murder charge levied against him.

Given this statement, the panel of three judges decided to give van der Sloot until Wednesday to make a final decision. There is no jury.
 ::snipping2:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 11, 2012, 08:22:42 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/11/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/index.html?eref=rss_latest&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+Most+Recent%29
Van der Sloot returns to court to face murder charge
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 2:21 AM EST, Wed January 11, 2012

(CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot returns to a Peruvian courtroom on Wednesday, five days after requesting more time to "reflect" on what plea he will make in his murder trial.

The 24-year-old Dutch national indicated on Friday that he was willing to make a "confession" in the 2010 killing of Stephany Flores, but that he did "not agree with the aggravating factors" as defined in the murder charge levied against him.

Given this statement, the panel of three judges decided to give van der Sloot until Wednesday to make a final decision. There is no jury.
 ::snipping2:: ::boxingjoran::

It is time to get this show on the road!  This scum deserves to rot in hell---30 years to life, no more, no less. THEN he needs to be turned over to the great state of Alabama so JUSTICE FOR NATALEE will finally be paid.

I hope he rots in hell.   ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::  ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 08:34:57 AM
Anybody know where to get live coverage? I'm looking but haven't found a source. Thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 11, 2012, 08:35:34 AM
Tomorrow is the hearing in Birmingham to declare Natalee legally dead per Dave's petition.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Red on January 11, 2012, 08:49:52 AM
Joran Van der Sloot Back in Court in Peru to Face Murder Charges in Death of Stephany Flores … Plea or More Game Playing by Van der Sloot?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/01/11/joran-van-der-sloot-back-in-court-in-peru-to-face-murder-charges-in-death-of-stephany-flores-plea-or-more-game-playing-by-van-der-sloot/

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Sorry, but “SINCERE” and Joran Van der Sloot cannot be used in the same sentence, let alone a legal sentence.

Today, Joran Van der Sloot will head back to court in Peru, just five days after the Dutch national requested more time to decide on a plea deal in the murder of 21 year old Stephany Flores in a Lima, Peru hotel. Last week Joran Van der Sloot continued to play games in this murder trial, no different that the one’s that he has played ever since the disappearance and death of Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005. It had been reported that last week Van der Sloot would make a plea and confess to the murder of Flores. Instead, Joran acted with complete contempt for the court.
::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 11, 2012, 09:21:56 AM
Anybody know where to get live coverage? I'm looking but haven't found a source. Thanks!
They are showing repeat from the other day on InSession,and discussing the case. 
 ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 09:26:08 AM
Anybody know where to get live coverage? I'm looking but haven't found a source. Thanks!
They are showing repeat from the other day on InSession,and discussing the case. 
 ::HelloKitty::

Thanks, Trimm! That's a good indication they'll cover it, I hope!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 09:30:59 AM
The correspondent from Peru is saying that no extradition to the Netherlands is currently in effect but that eventually it will be. However, in order for extradition to take place, Peru would have to AGREE to release him to them. I'm not worried about that happening!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 09:45:22 AM
Yeah................ In Sessions has live pictures. They said Joran should be there in about 20 minutes.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 09:51:38 AM
They are talking about a 20 year investigator that heard Joran's confession. He said that Joran is a seasoned killer and a classic psychopath. The investigator says Stephany's murder (the violence of it and the way he left her suffering and gurgling while he showered and then took a shirt and smothered her) was a crime that one builds up to through multiple murders. The investigator believes there are other victims besides Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 09:56:31 AM
It's about 10 minutes before it starts............ I'm going to grab some coffee and make a quick instant oatmeal!  I hope Joran can't eat this morning, but I sure can!!  ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 09:58:27 AM
AH!! He's early!!! I'm gonna have to stay hungry!

He looks a little more subdued............ I think he's been told to behave. Thumbs working. Judges not there yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 11, 2012, 10:00:18 AM
It's about 10 minutes before it starts............ I'm going to grab some coffee and make a quick instant oatmeal!  I hope Joran can't eat this morning, but I sure can!!  ::justice2NJ::
::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2012, 10:03:55 AM
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 11, 2012, 10:04:42 AM
::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::
::MonkeyGavel:: ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 11, 2012, 10:12:59 AM
watching him on InSession...he is so arrogant.
waiting for his attorney..traffic is blamed for the delay..


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 11, 2012, 10:16:31 AM
So, has the trial started yet?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: EURobert on January 11, 2012, 10:21:17 AM
Here is a dutch livestream

http://nos.nl/nieuws/live/journaal24/

if that ends it probably continues here: http://nos.nl/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 11, 2012, 10:24:22 AM
Thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 10:25:33 AM
So, has the trial started yet?


Sorry............ I was wolfing down breakfast!

Joran and his lawyer are having a conference outside the courtroom.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 10:26:38 AM
::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::

SUNNY!!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Wow........... have we waited a while for this or what?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: EURobert on January 11, 2012, 10:27:08 AM
Thanks!

You're welcome!

They're consulting together at this moment.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 11, 2012, 10:30:51 AM
Is that a cross on the Judges table?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: EURobert on January 11, 2012, 10:31:48 AM
Thanks!

You're welcome!

They're consulting together at this moment.

I think Joran doesn't like the prospect of 'life in prison'...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2012, 10:31:56 AM
::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::

SUNNY!!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Wow........... have we waited a while for this or what?

YES!!!  We have waited too long! 

InSession In Session
Giovanna Gismondi is an expert on Peruvian law.She says if #JoranvanderSloot pleads not guilty today, the prosecution can question him.

https://twitter.com/#!/InSession (https://twitter.com/#!/InSession)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2012, 10:33:12 AM
::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::

SUNNY!!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Wow........... have we waited a while for this or what?

YES!!!  We have waited too long! 

InSession In Session
Giovanna Gismondi is an expert on Peruvian law.She says if #JoranvanderSloot pleads not guilty today, the prosecution can question him.

https://twitter.com/#!/InSession (https://twitter.com/#!/InSession)

Joran van der Sloot is back in court, but it’s anybody’s guess what will happen http://on.hln.tv/91mifm Watch live coverage on @InSession

same link as above


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 11, 2012, 10:35:27 AM
He seems nervous.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 10:35:41 AM
Is that a cross on the Judges table?

Yes. They said it was customary.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 10:37:58 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2012, 10:41:13 AM
CBB, KittyMom, EURobert, SunnyinTX and 19 Guests are viewing this topic.

 ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: EURobert on January 11, 2012, 10:42:39 AM
Not guilty!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 10:43:16 AM
Not guilty!

???


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2012, 10:43:30 AM
He plead GUILTY!! Accepting all charges...did I hear that right?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: EURobert on January 11, 2012, 10:43:32 AM
So we're going to get a trial!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 10:44:13 AM
Joran has declared he considers himself guilty.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2012, 10:45:02 AM
He plead GUILTY!! Accepting all charges...did I hear that right?

Yes he plead GUILTY!!  the cab drivers are pleading not guilty........... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 10:45:57 AM
I don't understand. Joran Pled Guilty. Where are you guys getting your information? I'm confused.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2012, 10:46:07 AM
nSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot says he wants to give a sincere confession and feels regret for what he has done.

https://twitter.com/#!/InSession (https://twitter.com/#!/InSession)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 10:46:32 AM
He plead GUILTY!! Accepting all charges...did I hear that right?

Yes he plead GUILTY!!  the cab drivers are pleading not guilty........... ::MonkeyDance::


Right, Sunny.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2012, 10:46:44 AM
I don't understand. Joran Pled Guilty. Where are you guys getting your information? I'm confused.

I hear GUILTY and InSession did too!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 11, 2012, 10:47:00 AM
Am I alone in thinking that that was too easy?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: EURobert on January 11, 2012, 10:47:11 AM
He plead GUILTY!! Accepting all charges...did I hear that right?

Yes he plead GUILTY!!  the cab drivers are pleading not guilty........... ::MonkeyDance::


Guilty??? Sorry, then I misunderstood what he was saying!!!  GREAT!!!  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 10:48:10 AM
His lawyer is talking trying to influence the sentence, but Joran has plead guilty.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2012, 10:48:44 AM
He plead GUILTY!! Accepting all charges...did I hear that right?

Yes he plead GUILTY!!  the cab drivers are pleading not guilty........... ::MonkeyDance::


Right, Sunny.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::  his attorney is claiming PTSD...LOL...his attorney said for 5 years he had been persecuted for something he didn't ......now the pros is objecting


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 10:50:39 AM
Am I alone in thinking that that was too easy?

They've got him dead to rights, Kitty. There's no way out and I think Joran knows it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 11, 2012, 10:51:39 AM
Am I alone in thinking that that was too easy?

They've got him dead to rights, Kitty. There's no way out and I think Joran knows it.
I know.  But I can't help but think that he's tried to bribe his way into a lesser sentence or something. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 10:55:11 AM
Am I alone in thinking that that was too easy?

They've got him dead to rights, Kitty. There's no way out and I think Joran knows it.
I know.  But I can't help but think that he's tried to bribe his way into a lesser sentence or something. 

Agreed............. he would if he could. He tried to be slick but he tore his britches this time. He even signed the confession in a different handwriting thinking he could claim he didn't. I don't know what the idiot thought about the witnesses watching him sign it!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 11, 2012, 10:55:34 AM
If anyone has PTSD its Beth.  I guess defense attys are the same the world over.  Blame the victims to get their clients off.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 11, 2012, 10:56:00 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/11/joran-van-der-sloot-trial_n_1197704.html
Joran Van Der Sloot Expected To Enter Plea: Murder Trial (LIVE UPDATES)
January 11, 2012

Live Blog with updates


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2012, 10:56:41 AM
Am I alone in thinking that that was too easy?

They've got him dead to rights, Kitty. There's no way out and I think Joran knows it.

Yep!!  and he is looking for as few years as possible...and the only way to get a reduction, or a chance of a reduction, he had to plead guilty


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 11, 2012, 11:00:33 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/InSession (https://twitter.com/#!/InSession)
InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot's attorney says his client has been cooperative with police and gave a "sincere confession" to his crimes.
3 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot's attorney says he developed PTSD due to being persecuted for Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and his father’s death.
7 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
The prosecution objects to #JoranvanderSloot's attorney talking about the Natalee Holloway case in Aruba.
9 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot's attorney is now addressing the court.
15 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot says he wants to give a sincere confession and feels regret for what he has done.
17 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
BREAKING NEWS! #JoranvanderSloot pleads guilty to killing Stephany Flores in Lima, Peru.
17 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 11, 2012, 11:03:07 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/11/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/?hpt=hp_t2
Van der Sloot returns to court to face murder charge
January 11, 2012

(This snippet is about when Joran was in the courtroom previously.)

 ::snipping2::
During the hearing, a judge criticized van der Sloot for yawning, slouching and showing disrespect to the court.

What people don't know is that he had been transferred to the courthouse at six in the morning and kept in a hot holding cell for four hours, wearing a bulletproof vest and jacket the whole time, Jimenez said. He hadn't slept well because he was nervous about the process and was handcuffed the entire time, he said.

The lawyer asked the court to handle van der Sloot's arrival differently Wednesday, but there were no assurances of that, he said.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2012, 11:04:04 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/InSession (https://twitter.com/#!/InSession)
InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot's attorney says his client has been cooperative with police and gave a "sincere confession" to his crimes.
3 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot's attorney says he developed PTSD due to being persecuted for Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and his father’s death.
7 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
The prosecution objects to #JoranvanderSloot's attorney talking about the Natalee Holloway case in Aruba.
9 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot's attorney is now addressing the court.
15 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot says he wants to give a sincere confession and feels regret for what he has done.
17 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
BREAKING NEWS! #JoranvanderSloot pleads guilty to killing Stephany Flores in Lima, Peru.
17 minutes ago

thanks Anna ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 11, 2012, 11:04:35 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/11/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/?hpt=hp_t2
Van der Sloot returns to court to face murder charge
January 11, 2012

(This snippet is about when Joran was in the courtroom previously.)

 ::snipping2::
During the hearing, a judge criticized van der Sloot for yawning, slouching and showing disrespect to the court.

What people don't know is that he had been transferred to the courthouse at six in the morning and kept in a hot holding cell for four hours, wearing a bulletproof vest and jacket the whole time, Jimenez said. He hadn't slept well because he was nervous about the process and was handcuffed the entire time, he said.

The lawyer asked the court to handle van der Sloot's arrival differently Wednesday, but there were no assurances of that, he said.
 ::snipping2::
So, it was the judges' fault for his disrespect.  Well, this creep isn't responsible for any of his actions, ever. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 11, 2012, 11:07:06 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/11/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/?hpt=hp_t2
Van der Sloot returns to court to face murder charge
January 11, 2012

(This snippet is about when Joran was in the courtroom previously.)

 ::snipping2::
During the hearing, a judge criticized van der Sloot for yawning, slouching and showing disrespect to the court.

What people don't know is that he had been transferred to the courthouse at six in the morning and kept in a hot holding cell for four hours, wearing a bulletproof vest and jacket the whole time, Jimenez said. He hadn't slept well because he was nervous about the process and was handcuffed the entire time, he said.

The lawyer asked the court to handle van der Sloot's arrival differently Wednesday, but there were no assurances of that, he said.
 ::snipping2::
So, it was the judges' fault for his disrespect.  Well, this creep isn't responsible for any of his actions, ever. 

Joran hadn't slept well.  I suppose Peru should have put him up at a fine hotel, with a chocolate on his pillow.... ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 11:08:16 AM
The sentence comes down Friday.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 11:09:38 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/11/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/?hpt=hp_t2
Van der Sloot returns to court to face murder charge
January 11, 2012

(This snippet is about when Joran was in the courtroom previously.)

 ::snipping2::
During the hearing, a judge criticized van der Sloot for yawning, slouching and showing disrespect to the court.

What people don't know is that he had been transferred to the courthouse at six in the morning and kept in a hot holding cell for four hours, wearing a bulletproof vest and jacket the whole time, Jimenez said. He hadn't slept well because he was nervous about the process and was handcuffed the entire time, he said.

The lawyer asked the court to handle van der Sloot's arrival differently Wednesday, but there were no assurances of that, he said.
 ::snipping2::
So, it was the judges' fault for his disrespect.  Well, this creep isn't responsible for any of his actions, ever. 

Joran hadn't slept well.  I suppose Peru should have put him up at a fine hotel, with a chocolate on his pillow.... ::MonkeyMad::

Yeah............. room 103 is cleaned up by now.    ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 11, 2012, 11:11:16 AM
Ri------gggght!!!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-01-11/peru-murder/52496812/1
Van der Sloot pleads guilty to Peru murder
January 11, 2012

 ::snipping2::
LIMA, Peru (AP) – Joran van der Sloot pleaded guilty on Wednesday to the 2010 murder of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman he met at a Lima casino who was killed five years to the day of the unsolved disappearance in Aruba of an American teen in which he remains the main suspect.
"Yes, I want to plead guilty. I wanted from the first moment to confess sincerely," he told the court. "I truly am sorry for this act. I feel very bad."
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: pinkbanana on January 11, 2012, 11:11:30 AM
Good Day Monkeys

 ::boxingjoran::  ::boxingjoran::

Glad to hear the POS pleaded guilty!!

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 11, 2012, 11:13:33 AM
InSession In Session
During the break, #JoranvanderSloot exited the courtroom. Stephany Flores' family was not present at the hearing.
6 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
The judge says court is suspended until they come to a conclusion on #JoranvanderSloot's sentence.Sentencing is scheduled for Friday.
9 minutes ago https://twitter.com/#!/InSession (https://twitter.com/#!/InSession)
 ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 11, 2012, 11:14:41 AM
 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 11, 2012, 11:15:07 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/11/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/?hpt=hp_t2
Van der Sloot returns to court to face murder charge
January 11, 2012

(This snippet is about when Joran was in the courtroom previously.)

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During the hearing, a judge criticized van der Sloot for yawning, slouching and showing disrespect to the court.

What people don't know is that he had been transferred to the courthouse at six in the morning and kept in a hot holding cell for four hours, wearing a bulletproof vest and jacket the whole time, Jimenez said. He hadn't slept well because he was nervous about the process and was handcuffed the entire time, he said.

The lawyer asked the court to handle van der Sloot's arrival differently Wednesday, but there were no assurances of that, he said.
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aaawwwww poor baby.....he'd better get used to the heat..... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 11:16:45 AM
http://globovision.com/news.php?nid=214783 VIDEO

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When asked about his guilt, van der Sloot told the judges he wanted to make a "sincere confession", a type of plea that lets you qualify for a reduced sentence, but that does not agree with all charges against him.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 11, 2012, 11:17:35 AM
I think he and KC should be locked in a glass room together and observed by the medical community.  Can you imagine?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 11:19:27 AM
(http://diariocorreo.pe/media/versions/uploads/joran-van-der-sloot1_note_principal.jpg)

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After accepting the prosecution of having killed the young Dutchman who preferred to speak Spanish without the support of the translator who was assigned, filed for attorney's fees and therefore the "early termination" of the process, that would allow a reduction of sentence and also enjoy benefits after leaving prison to prison.

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The hearing started late, so that the president of the courtroom, Judge Victoria Montoya, called attention to the defendants for not arriving promptly at the courtroom of Lurigancho.

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http://diariocorreo.pe/nota/62221/joran-van-der-sloot-se-declara-culpable-de-la-muerte-de-stephany-flores/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 11:21:33 AM
Lima - After today the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot pleaded guilty to the death of the young Stephany Flores (21), the president of the College "B" of the Third Criminal Court for Prison Inmates in the Court of Lima, Victoria Montoya announced that the sentence against the alien shall be made on Friday January 13th at 10:30 hours.

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Psychopath. Meanwhile, the Flores family lawyer defending the family, Edward Alvarez, called for life imprisonment for Van der Sloot also asked how can they release a psychopath to the streets. "

 "There comes a psychopath benefits because it is a risk to society," he said.

http://diariocorreo.pe/nota/62230/este-viernes-dictaran-sentencia-a-van-der-sloot/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 11, 2012, 11:21:52 AM
I suppose you could say three men judges might be unfair too...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45954171/ns/world_news-americas/
Natalee Holloway suspect Joran van der Sloot admits killing woman in Peru
January 11, 2012

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Under Peruvian law, a prison term for a "sincere confession" to a murder is normally much shorter than one for an outright guilty plea. Prosecutors have said van der Sloot robbed and killed Flores before fleeing the scene of a crime to Chile.

But on the first day of his trial in Lima on Friday, he told the court he should not be charged with aggravating circumstances of the murder that could lengthen his sentence.

The 24-year-old Dutch citizen had repeatedly shaken his head as the prosecutor described for the judges how van der Sloot allegedly "brutally" beat and strangled the victim in his Lima hotel room, intending to rob her.

A "sincere confession" to the judges means the trial would quickly enter a sentencing phase and he could spend less than a decade behind bars.

Women judges biased?
The defense has complained that the panel of three judges is made up exclusively of women and might be biased against him.

Peruvian prosecutors were initially expected to try for a sentence of life in prison against van der Sloot. But they had to scale back their plans and are expected to ask for a 30-year term because of sentencing guidelines for murders in which robbery could be the primary motive. The victim's family wants a life sentence.
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 11:23:48 AM
Joran Van der Sloot admitted to having murdered Stephany Flores and filed for early termination
VIDEO
http://www.larepublica.pe/11-01-2012/joran-van-der-sloot-acepto-haber-asesinado-stephany-flores


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 11:26:57 AM
(http://www.rpp.com.pe/cache/q_85_g_8_c_n_p__picnewsa_787519.jpg)

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"I want to welcome my prior confession. I thought from the beginning always give an honest confession, and I am truly sorry for what I've done. I feel very bad, "Van der Sloot when the judge asked him if he is guilty or innocent.

 The other defendants John Williams, John and Carlos Oswaldo Aparcana Euribe Pretil Pisconte not accept the charges against him and the trial will continue for them.

 They were indicted for the crime against the public administration, judicial capacity, staff cover against the State, asking for the three penalty of five years in prison for freedom and to pay civil damages soles 10.000 for the state.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-11-tribunal-dictara-sentencia-a-joran-van-der-sloot-este-viernes-13-noticia_439686.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on January 11, 2012, 11:34:58 AM
This is a great day. What say you now Anita? All you other Aruba denial/cover up creeps? I think these judges will give him enough years to satisfy the people of Peru. Sure, it might be reduced a bit, but I don't think much. And remember, we get him next!
Didn't the press say that the judge would read in court that the United States has filed the paperwork to have him brought here after Peru? Wonder if they will read that on Friday...
FRIDAY THE 13TH!!!!
Going down Joran!
God Bless Stephanie, Natalee, and all their loved ones, included in that, all the Monkeys!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 11:35:31 AM
(http://static0.hln.be/static/photo/2012/16/9/10/20120111171817/media_l_4561840.jpg)

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According to his lawyer feels Joran himself persecuted by the world. The lawyer said his client "is subject to a deep emotional trauma because of what happened." Van der Sloot refers to the day he killed Flores.

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http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/2161/Zaak-Holloway/article/detail/1377001/2012/01/11/Joran-van-der-Sloot-pleit-op-proces-schuldig-aan-alles.dhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 11:38:59 AM
(http://static1.ad.nl/static/photo/2012/14/9/9/20120111170055/media_l_1071519.jpg)

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http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1012/Binnenland/article/detail/3115964/2012/01/11/Liveblog-Joran-bekent-schuld-en-betuigt-spijt.dhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 11:41:07 AM
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16:55
The judge said to have heard enough and want to recess until a ruling. This Friday at 10 hours they will decide.

Hours 4:51 p.m.
Joran, according to his lawyer worked well with the police.

Hours 4:47 p.m.
The defense urges to take the post-traumatic disorder that Joran has accumulated. According to his lawyer feels Joran himself persecuted by the world.

Hours 4:44 p.m.
Joran's lawyer takes the case Natalee Holloway there, but the family lawyer Flores does not want to know. "That's not an issue.

Hours 4:40 p.m.
Joran agreed to the indictment. This means that the process probably very soon will come to an end.

Hours 4:39 p.m.
The drivers say three accused to be innocent.

Hours 4:38 p.m.
"Will you at your last confession?, Asks the judge. Yes, Joran says.

Hours 4:37 p.m.
The judges ask him in Spanish or Dutch will respond. Joran says he wants to try it in Spanish.

Hours 4:34 p.m.
The court asks if the next time you want to be on time.

Hours 4:23 p.m.
Consultation between Joran and his lawyer takes an unusually long.

Hours 4:12 p.m.
At the prison in Lima where the trial of Joran van der Sloot resumes, are people with banners bearing the text: "murderer" and "he should get life."

Hours 4:10 p.m.
The lawyer has now arrived. He goes to Joran to separate room for consultation.

Hours 4:03 p.m.
The trial begins 10 to 15 minutes later. Joran's lawyer is not because of traffic problems. There were many demonstrations in Lima today.

Hours 4:01 p.m.
You are asked if anyone wants to turn off his mobile phone.

Hours 3:55 p.m.
Joran enters the room. He looks better than last week. This time, he has no bulletproof vest.

Hours 3:46 p.m.
According to GPD correspondent Jan-Albert Hootsen is all quieter than in the Lurigancho prison last Friday. The family of Stephany Flores is currently not present in the courtroom.

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http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1012/Binnenland/article/detail/3115964/2012/01/11/Liveblog-Joran-bekent-schuld-en-betuigt-spijt.dhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2012, 11:50:53 AM
Is that a cross on the Judges table?


It is.  So isn't a "sincere confession" one that begins "I have sinned through MY OWN FAULT" and not try to blame everybody else in the whole world?  Mea culpa!  That is all.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2012, 11:55:22 AM
Also noted he is not wearing the hot bullet proof vest.  Shirt not tucked in when leaving the courtroom either.  It's not as though he is not used to the heat from Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 11:57:20 AM
(http://cdn.versgeperst.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Joran-van-der-Sloot-in-de-rechtbank-van-Lima-445x313.jpg)

http://www.versgeperst.com/nieuws/136550/joran-van-der-sloot-heeft-bekend.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 12:00:26 PM
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"Murder result of" extreme psychological trauma
Van der Sloot was a calm impression, but his confession and apology to the assembled press were poorly understood. According to AP Van der Sloot said in court today:

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His lawyer Jimenez Navarro said the judges today on account of the circumstances, such as the media attention around the person of Van der Sloot has been. The counsel expressed the wish that the judges take this into account when they consider the sentences in which Van der Sloot confession to his eligibility.

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http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2012/01/11/joran-van-der-sloot-zal-schuld-niet-ontkennen-in-ruil-voor-strafvermindering/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 12:03:43 PM
(http://content.nos.nl/data/image/xxl/2012/01/11/329900.jpg)

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Flores family
The Flores family lawyer said after the hearing that the confession of Van der Sloot nothing. "He still has not said how and under what circumstances he has slain her. Moreover, the cooperation is also not so bad, because in the beginning, he has greatly frustrated the investigation."

"We will never accept it if he gets a sentence of 20 years," said the lawyer.

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http://nos.nl/artikel/329897-joran-van-der-sloot-bekent-schuld.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 12:07:19 PM
(http://www.standaard.be/Assets/Images_Upload/2012/01/11/559718-01-06.jpg.h380.jpg.568.jpg)

(http://www.standaard.be/Assets/Images_Upload/2012/01/11/559782-01-06.jpg.h380.jpg.568.jpg)

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(http://www.standaard.be/Assets/Images_Upload/2012/01/11/20120111_LIM102_AP.jpg.h380.jpg.568.jpg)

http://www.standaard.be/artikel/detail.aspx?artikelid=DMF20120111_140#


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 12:10:05 PM
(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea2f3w_700.jpg)

(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea0142_700.jpg)

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2712848/joran-van-sloot-bekent.html#


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 12:10:35 PM
A Timeline

Van der Sloot pleads guilty, says he is 'really sorry' for Peru woman's murder
January 11th, 2012
11:00 AM ET


http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/11/van-der-sloot-in-court-for-murder-trial-will-he-plead-guilty-to-charges/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 12:17:29 PM
LIMA (Reuters) - Joran is a psychopath who can not return to society. That is lawyer Edward Alvarez of the Flores family. He said in a press conference immediately following the session in which Van der Sloot declared guilty of the charges.

 According to Alvarez, it was clear that Van der Sloot Stephany Flores killed in order to rob her of her money. , And that's what life, "he said emphatically. When asked whether he would appeal if Van der Sloot sentences given, he would not respond. But he argued that a sentence of 20 years is enough. The 20 year option as mentioned in the verdict that the three judges eventually sheets.

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In an emotional speech, Van der Sloot's lawyer tried after his confession to prove that he was the day of the murder was dominated by a deep psychological trauma. Apparently the judges to move to a lighter punishment. But he did not get much space as this type of argument in the court today passed a station. Van der Sloot is guilty of the charges.

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/bulletin/advocaat-flores-joran-een-psychopaat


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: blah on January 11, 2012, 12:19:58 PM
Ri------gggght!!!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-01-11/peru-murder/52496812/1
Van der Sloot pleads guilty to Peru murder
January 11, 2012

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LIMA, Peru (AP) – Joran van der Sloot pleaded guilty on Wednesday to the 2010 murder of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman he met at a Lima casino who was killed five years to the day of the unsolved disappearance in Aruba of an American teen in which he remains the main suspect.
"Yes, I want to plead guilty. I wanted from the first moment to confess sincerely," he told the court. "I truly am sorry for this act. I feel very bad."
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Sorry Joran you POS, that statement isn't consistent with someone who fled the scene, and country


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2012, 12:22:18 PM
Well, regardless of his sentence, the only place Joran will go is straight to Alabama to face a federal charge of extortion which if I remember correctly carries a sentence of 25 years.  If he EVER gets out, he is going to be a very old man should he survive prison conditions which I doubt.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 12:22:34 PM
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After the hearing, Van der Sloot spoke briefly with his lawyer. She smiled and looked unconcerned, as television footage showed.

 The prosecution had asked for 30 years in prison for murdering Van der Sloot with cruelty in May 2010 at the University Stephany Flores 21.

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Upon acceptance of the prosecution's charges, Van der Sloot will be sentenced for murder, punishable with 15 to 35 years in prison.

http://www.elcolombiano.com/BancoConocimiento/H/holandes_se_declaro_culpable_de_asesinar_a_peruana/holandes_se_declaro_culpable_de_asesinar_a_peruana.asp?CodSeccion=189


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2012, 12:24:28 PM
Ri------gggght!!!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-01-11/peru-murder/52496812/1
Van der Sloot pleads guilty to Peru murder
January 11, 2012

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LIMA, Peru (AP) – Joran van der Sloot pleaded guilty on Wednesday to the 2010 murder of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman he met at a Lima casino who was killed five years to the day of the unsolved disappearance in Aruba of an American teen in which he remains the main suspect.
"Yes, I want to plead guilty. I wanted from the first moment to confess sincerely," he told the court. "I truly am sorry for this act. I feel very bad."
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Sorry Joran you POS, that statement isn't consistent with someone who fled the scene, and country

Blah!! Great to see you!!

I'm at work and work keeps getting in my way!

Joran looked really bad this morning! Jinkasaurus said that when he went to prison, he had some good looking clothes. Wonder what happened to them?

Thanks for all the articles, NR!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: blah on January 11, 2012, 12:30:46 PM
::snipping2::
......
Hours 4:47 p.m.
The defense urges to take the post-traumatic disorder that Joran has accumulated. According to his lawyer feels Joran himself persecuted by the world.
.....


I dont know how it works in Peru, but if his lawyer wants to bring up the Natalee case, the judges should be able to use all the evidence available about the multiple lies he admitted to telling in that case.  They should be able to use that to weigh against the sincerity of his "sincere confession"

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: blah on January 11, 2012, 12:34:47 PM

(http://www.standaard.be/Assets/Images_Upload/2012/01/11/559642-01-06.jpg.h380.jpg.568.jpg)




Geez his head looks like a giant zit about to burst sitting on top of his shoulders, what a freak


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: nonesuche on January 11, 2012, 12:35:02 PM
(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea2f3w_700.jpg)

(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea0142_700.jpg)

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2712848/joran-van-sloot-bekent.html#

the face of a cold-blooded conniving narcissistic killer!

It will be interesting to see how Aruba spins this confession too - of course liar island will work overtime to deflect.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: blah on January 11, 2012, 12:38:46 PM
Blah!! Great to see you!!

I'm at work and work keeps getting in my way!

Joran looked really bad this morning! Jinkasaurus said that when he went to prison, he had some good looking clothes. Wonder what happened to them?

Thanks for all the articles, NR!!

Hiya CBB  :smt047


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Sister on January 11, 2012, 12:53:22 PM
Well, regardless of his sentence, the only place Joran will go is straight to Alabama to face a federal charge of extortion which if I remember correctly carries a sentence of 25 years.  If he EVER gets out, he is going to be a very old man should he survive prison conditions which I doubt.

I believe you're right Anna.  I have a feeling the judges will not want to be perceived as being like Aruba!
 ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: snoopy on January 11, 2012, 01:09:16 PM
Judged by 3 women. 
Priceless.

I hope he gets the maximum time in that hell hole and survives to come to America and die in an Alabama prison.  Then I will be satisfied.
What a POS. 

Justice for Natalee. 
Justice for Stephany.

Carry on and come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 11, 2012, 01:17:22 PM
(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea2f3w_700.jpg)

(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea0142_700.jpg)

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2712848/joran-van-sloot-bekent.html#

the face of a cold-blooded conniving narcissistic killer!

It will be interesting to see how Aruba spins this confession too - of course liar island will work overtime to deflect.
Wonder how he got that cut above his eyebrow?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 01:41:08 PM
I suppose you could say three men judges might be unfair too...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45954171/ns/world_news-americas/
Natalee Holloway suspect Joran van der Sloot admits killing woman in Peru
January 11, 2012

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Under Peruvian law, a prison term for a "sincere confession" to a murder is normally much shorter than one for an outright guilty plea. Prosecutors have said van der Sloot robbed and killed Flores before fleeing the scene of a crime to Chile.

But on the first day of his trial in Lima on Friday, he told the court he should not be charged with aggravating circumstances of the murder that could lengthen his sentence.

The 24-year-old Dutch citizen had repeatedly shaken his head as the prosecutor described for the judges how van der Sloot allegedly "brutally" beat and strangled the victim in his Lima hotel room, intending to rob her.

A "sincere confession" to the judges means the trial would quickly enter a sentencing phase and he could spend less than a decade behind bars.

Women judges biased?
The defense has complained that the panel of three judges is made up exclusively of women and might be biased against him.

Peruvian prosecutors were initially expected to try for a sentence of life in prison against van der Sloot. But they had to scale back their plans and are expected to ask for a 30-year term because of sentencing guidelines for murders in which robbery could be the primary motive. The victim's family wants a life sentence.
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I contend that the women who are attracted to Joran van der Sloot while being aware of his history are women who have serious self-esteem issues.

If Joran receives a sentence substantially less than the maximum 30 years afforded by the prosecution charges ... the maximum 30 year sentence that could translate in substantially less with "reduction credits" ... I suspect that Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" are working behind the scenes with the judges ... the "Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" who have vested interest to assure that Joran does not retaliate and expose those behind the corrupt investigation that prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

Could it be that the Peruvian objective is to pacify the Flores' family and the court of public opinion while at the same time assuring that a minimum sentence implies that Joran will be transferred to Aruba/Holland to serve his sentence.

If this happens ... will Aruba/Holland cooperate in regards to Joran's extradition to the States to face extortion charges?  Is there a current extradition agreement in place?

A little research regarding the Peruvian justice system encompassing bribes that range  from the issuing of a traffic ticket all the way up to the judges residing over the outcome of criminal cases is very informative.

Janet

+++++


NANCY GRACE
Van Der Sloot Trial Postponed in Peru
Aired January 6, 2012 - 20:00   ET


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CASAREZ: You know, to Jane Velez-Mitchell, host of "ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL," I`ve been in the courtrooms in Lima, and I think you can see it, too, but he is facing the three-judge panel. So as they are believing and thinking that he`s going to offer a sincere confession for the murder of Stephany Flores, they`re watching him do all of this. Your thoughts, Jane?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think, on a conscious level, they`re angry with him. He was scolded and told to comport himself more properly. But on a subconscious level, I wonder, with fear and consternation, whether, as women, they might be swayed by his perverse, bad boy charm.

He is a notorious ladies` man. Women keep writing him in prison. He has a woman who in the past has been his guardian angel, some middle-aged woman. So I hope, unconsciously, these women judges do not get swayed by - - I don`t find him charming. He doesn`t rock my boat, that`s for sure. But apparently, he does have certain je ne sais quoi that works on women. And I hope it doesn`t work on these female judges!

CASAREZ: Oh, Jane, I hope you`re right. Do you know that I saw him look at his female translators and smile at both of them, and they smiled back.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/06/ng.01.html

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 01:50:52 PM
Ricardo Flores

November 10, 2010

FLORES FAMILY SAY JORAN LIVES LIKE KING


Stepahany Flores was murdered on 30 May in a hotel room, which hosts the Dutch Joran Van derSloot. Who is the prime suspect in the death of the young.

Everything indicates that the murderer would derSloot Van Stephany, because a video shows that he was the last to see her alive and enter the room where he was brutally murdered.

However, the family of the victim shows his great reproach to the Peruvian justice system, noting that Joran lives "like a king in jail."

"It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals," said Ricardo Flores outraged father of the girl killed.

He added that it's been six months since the detention of the Dutch and "until this day refuses to give his statement to the judge," he said to a local television station in Lima.

"Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them." Flores said indignantly.

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8719.msg1259600;topicseen#msg1259600


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 01:55:29 PM
Joran van der Sloot - In His Own Words

Confession: Joran van der Sloot describes killing Stephany Flores
Published: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 2:51 PM
Updated: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 4:11 PM


<snipped>

Asked for a detailed description of the killing:

"She was on the bed when I hit her hard with my right elbow and I think her head went back and hit the wall, then she begins to bleed, immediately I get on top of her and with both hands I begin to strangle her, keeping her that way for a minute. After that, I throw her to the floor but she keeps breathing. At that moment I take off my shirt and put it on her face, pressing on it. I don't remember for how long but she stops breathing, in this way I think I caused her death."

<snipped>

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/confession_joran_van_der_sloot.html




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 11, 2012, 02:16:14 PM
(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea2f3w_700.jpg)

(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea0142_700.jpg)

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2712848/joran-van-sloot-bekent.html#

the face of a cold-blooded conniving narcissistic killer!

It will be interesting to see how Aruba spins this confession too - of course liar island will work overtime to deflect.
Wonder how he got that cut above his eyebrow?

Joran is well known for banging his head against walls... especially when angry and frustrated.

It's a shame I can't be there to help him with his problem... he does a fair job, but I think I could really give him an assist by shoving his head from the back right as he knocks it against the wall. I like to help people.

The 13th (Friday) - 13, a terribly unlucky number. Roughly 85% of all buildings in the world lack a floor #13. Have you ever noticed that? I think 13 will be unlucky for Joran. Just a feeling.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 02:22:23 PM
O/T

Hi Snoopy

 ::HelloKitty::

I can now truly relate to your pain when you lost your beloved Snoopy.  Between Christmas and New Years our youngest son make the heartbreaking decision along with his father and I that the timing was right release 17 year old Brandi from her ongoing struggle to walk.  The hurt is more than I could ever have imagined.

Janet 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 02:36:14 PM
 ::snipping2::

The Van der Sloot's lawyer, Jose Luis Jiménez, argued that his client suffered from "traumatic stress disorder" in committing the crime, because in the days before the murder, a wave of online publications and articles accused him responsible for the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

 ::snipping2::

While conducting the hearing, outside the prison about twenty people shouting "murderer, murderer" and on posters claimed the life sentence imposed.

http://noticias.terra.com.co/internacional/latinoamerica/holandes-se-declara-culpable-del-asesinato-de-peruana-ante-tribunal-en-lima,d67a281d82ec4310VgnVCM20000099f154d0RCRD.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 11, 2012, 02:37:58 PM
BBQ grill, now that's funny!
Sabatian, IMO, is on steroids
I been ill for 4 mos. sinus, flu, lost ability to walk and in Dec, type 2 diabetes; am building strength; tomorrow is my "debut" for cleaning and gardening.

Good to know we are together again! ::MonkeySlide::  ::MonkeySkate::

If my name were Van der Sloot, I'd change it too, for survival!

Good to see you, IBE!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 02:40:27 PM
Van der Sloot attorney: "Obviously it has to receive medical treatment"
 José Luis Jiménez said that "what is most suited" to his client was eligible for early termination of the process followed by the death of

 ::snipping2::

Speaking to the press, Jimenez reiterated his position and said that Van der Sloot confessed to having victimized Flores Ramirez to the National Police "when he thought he had all the guarantees."

 ::snipping2::

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1359615/noticia-abogado-van-der-sloot-obvio-que-tiene-que-recibir-tratamiento-medico


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 11, 2012, 02:44:56 PM
I know Magnolia's happy where ever she watched the game tonight!

 ::MonkeyDance::

Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer....give em hell Alabama.
I was pleased and pleasantly surprised.  Roll Tide!!

 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Hey Mags, Congrats!

 ::dogwag::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 02:46:17 PM
 ::snipping2::

The judge asked whether he agreed with all "the ends of the indictment," which stated that the Dutch had killed with "cruelty" and "ferocity" university student Stephany Flores, to which Van der Sloot said "yes" shaking his head.

In last Friday's hearing, the alien had expressed to the court to accept his guilt but disagreed with the prosecution stated aggravating. However, for a defendant is eligible for the so-called early termination of the process must accept all terms of the indictment.

 ::snipping2::

The audience did not attend Flores's father, businessman and former race car driver, Ricardo Flores, who told the AP that not even attend the sentencing hearing.

"To us it hurts this issue, we do not like right now," he said.

The Flores' lawyer, Edward Alvarez, told reporters that the plea was what suited the Dutch, and urged the court to issue a fair sentence.

"I think if they were 20 years do not accept," he said, but added that accept or challenge the hypothetical sentence will depend on the family.

In Peru you can get out of jail before their full sentence by the existence of a system of prison privileges, such as the exchange of days of a conviction for study or work in prison.

But Alvarez questioned whether it was applicable in the case of Van der Sloot.

"There comes a psychopath benefits because it is a danger to society," he said.

 ::snipping2::

Alvarez said there is some evidence that Van der Sloot killed Flores to steal and mentioned that the file existed in foreign communications with their friends in Holland in which he told them he had met a girl with money in the casino.

"It (the crime) was premeditated," said Alvarez.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/elsentinel/fl-es-peru0112012,0,6791477.story


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 02:48:24 PM
 ::snipping2::

Not only local media and made ​​Peruvian tweeters Sloot and Stephany Flores global Trending Topic, different international media also broadcast this information from your accounts on Twitter.

 ::snipping2::

http://peru21.pe/2012/01/11/reportuit/caso-van-der-sloot-se-convierte-tema-mundial-2007030


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 11, 2012, 02:49:34 PM
(http://static1.ad.nl/static/photo/2012/14/9/9/20120111170055/media_l_1071519.jpg)

Here is the perfect pic to use.... along with the perfect headline.

"I am truly very sorry for what I have done. I feel very bad." -Joran Van der sloot

--------

He needs finishing.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 02:51:24 PM
Van der Sloot Lawyer: He is dissocial and has pathology

 Lima. Jose Luis Jimenez, Dutch lawyer Joran Van der Sloot, who claimed to be guilty for the murder of Stephany Flores, said his client, according to medical records, is a "person dissocial and is pathology."

 "He is a person dissocial. It pathology. I can tell you that much of this is related to the prosecution for five years at a young age. Do not expect it to be a normal person. He has to be treated (clinically), "he told reporters.

 He also argued that a person who kills another, "is definitely not someone who is clinically well. Obviously it has to be evaluated clinically. "

 ::snipping2::

On the other hand, said his client has had a "collaborationist attitude from the outset."

 "He, when he saw that it had guarantees of law, as it was pointed out at the police stage, working with the judiciary and has details how it happened," he said.

 He said that the minimum penalty Van der Sloot could receive is 15 years.

http://peru.com/actualidad/abogado-van-der-sloot-disocial-y-tiene-patologia-noticia-37542a


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 02:54:33 PM
Foreign media closely followed trial of Joran van der Sloot
 

 Lima, Jan.. 11 (ANDINA). A score of journalists from foreign media covered the incident in Lima today's trial against the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, charged with the murder of the young Stephany Flores, which occurred in May 2010.


 Among the Dutch media was observed at GPD news agency and RTL, whose reporters and cameramen followed minute by minute the process in which Van der Sloot pleaded guilty to the crime.

 John Albert Houlsen, GPD, and Alex Tielemam, RTL, agreed that the process is carried out in a fair and clean, and highlighted the professional work of the judges who make up the college.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.andina.com.pe/Espanol/noticia-prensa-extranjera-siguio-cerca-juicio-oral-joran-van-der-sloot-394724.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 02:59:42 PM
 ::snipping2::

Asked if he felt guilty for the death of Flores Ramirez and whether to accept the entire contents of the indictment by Judge Victoria Peraldo Montoya, head of the tribunal trying him, Van de Sloot said, "I welcome the early conclusion."

Attorney Miriam Castellares Riveros, head of the Ninth Criminal Lima Senior Prosecutor has requested a sentence of 30 years in prison for Van der Sloot on charges of murder and theft perpetrated against Flores simple Ramirez.

PENALTY ORDERED BENIGN
In their arguments before the court, the Dutch lawyer, Jose Luis Jiménez, recalled the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba U.S. in 2005. He justified that after this, his client was marked by a psychological stress on the day said Flores killed Ramirez.

Immediately, the family lawyer of the victim, Edward Alvarez, asked the room Jiménez urge to stick to the crime of the young Peruvian.

After the wake-up call, the defense of Van der Sloot said his "sponsored is deeply sorry for the facts against him." He even said that the poker player collaborated from the outset with the preliminary investigations.

"In the research stage at the front of the Fourth Judicial Court Jail Criminal Defendants had also confessed. However, it was silent because they violate his right not to provide an official translator accredited for this function (...) The court must assess the sincere confession of my client, "he said.

Finally, Jimenez said the court should evaluate the benefits foregone conclusion the day Van der Sloot. "They could reduce the penalty assessed to the minimum," he added.

DRIVERS pleads not guilty
The other defendants John William Aparcana Pisconte, John Oswald and Carlos Alberto Aparcana Euribe Pisconte Pretil-who drove the car in which the Dutch fled the country bound for Chile, where he was captured, pleaded not guilty to the charges against him. The public prosecutor had requested five years in prison for them.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1359533/noticia-van-der-sloot-se-declaro-culpable-crimen-stephany-flores

If this article is correct Urine never admitted anything, he only said he looks forward to the trial being over.  It was his lawyer that then put words out there that Urine was sorry. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 11, 2012, 03:00:45 PM
I am home today by happenstance, turn on the TV just for some noise, and caught it.
........................
In his confession, he didn't admit to the robbery aspect did he ?
........................
I just knew that he " trauma" he suffered was going to be brought up.
Glad that he confessed and is waiting sentencing but no so glad that his lawyer tried to turn it into Joran's trauma. He got a freebie from Aruba, I just hope he doesn't get a reduced sentence because of his trauma. Or a transfer to elsewhere after a few years, like Holland or Aruba.
......................
Hello to all. Long time in the cage waiting.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 03:02:11 PM
 ::snipping2::

Consulted by the magistrates of Collegiate 'B' of the Third Criminal Court for Prison Inmates in on whether to accept all the terms of the indictment, Van der Sloot said only that "home to the early termination" without specifying if it rejects the aggravating , as pointed out by his defense last week.

 ::snipping2::

http://peru21.pe/2012/01/11/actualidad/van-der-sloot-se-declaro-culpable-2007025


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 03:06:28 PM
Van der Sloot took charge to avoid imprisonment "
 So said the Flores family's lawyer, Edward Alvarez, who said the Dutch defense fell into serious contradictions

 The lawyer for the family of Stephany Flores, Edward Alvarez said the Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot filed for early termination of the process by the young Peruvian crime to avoid a penalty of more than 30 years and a possible life sentence.

 "He has accepted this charge, knowing that the penalty could be higher, because I knew even when the penalties act could be the assumption that the charge be changed. We were going to show that this was not a homicide, but robbery followed by death and this is life imprisonment. There is a police report stating that Van der Sloot was intended to take the money of Stephany Flores, "he said at a news conference.

 Alvarez said that the early termination does not in any way a sincere confession by the Dutch. "He has only agreed to the terms of the charge, but has never told how they were given the fact how he killed Stephany, you can not accept that as a confession," he added.

Contradictions
 Moreover, the defense of the victim considered that Van der Sloot's lawyer, Jose Luis Jiménez, fell into serious contradictions in the allegations that led to the College 'B' of the Third Criminal Court for Inmates in Jail.

Considered as a "terrible mistake" to say that the Dutch collaborated with the research, because he tried to void the confession he gave to the police, did not testify at the stage instructive and even sought to break the process by means of a habeas corpus petition in the Constitutional Court.

 Finally, Alvarez said if the court ruling is 20 years old, he will appeal this decision to the Superior Court.


http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1359580/noticia-van-der-sloot-acepto-acusacion-evitar-cadena-perpetua


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 03:08:53 PM
Defense of the Flores family: Van der Sloot is not repentant VIDEO

 Lima - The lawyer for the family of the girl murdered by Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot, Edewar Alvarez said that the attitudes of the accused during the trial show that it is sorry but he accepted the charge because it knew that the penalty would not more.

 ::snipping2::

http://diariocorreo.pe/nota/62241/defensa-de-la-familia-flores-van-der-sloot-no-esta-arrepentido/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 03:10:54 PM
Lawyer asks convict Joran van der Sloot with minimum penalty
 Speaking to RPP Noticias, Jose Luis Jimenez said the young Dutchman 25 years of age has always collaborated with the law to clarify the crime of Stephany Flores.

Jose Luis Jimenez's lawyer asked that his client, the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, is sentenced to the minimum sentence established by the Penal Code for the crime of murder, which is 15 years imprisonment.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-11-abogado-pide-condenar-a-joran-van-der-sloot-con-la-minima-pena-noticia_439704.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 03:15:13 PM
Video: Joran Van der Sloot smiles after accepting his guilt

 Lima. After Joran Van der Sloot pleaded guilty for the crime of Stephany Flores, the Dutch went to his lawyer Jose Luis Jiménez and started smiling.

http://peru.com/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-sonrie-aceptar-su-culpa-noticia-37531


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 03:23:26 PM
(http://content.nos.nl/data/image/xxl/2012/01/11/329900.jpg)

Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom


I could be wrong but ... I suspect that Joran van der Sloot's utter lack of respect to the court on so many level on January 6th and today implies that his guilty plea was a given and Friday's outcome is a given ... a given arrived at prior to the prosecution handing down the charges two months ago that implied a maximum 30 year sentence ... a maximum 30 year sentence that in actuality translates into a much lighter sentence rather than charges that would have demanded a life sentence.

Janet

Janet




  that ... tran in all probability ... translates through "reduction credits" into


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 11, 2012, 03:29:19 PM
Judged by 3 women. 
Priceless.

I hope he gets the maximum time in that hell hole and survives to come to America and die in an Alabama prison.  Then I will be satisfied.
What a POS. 


Justice for Natalee. 
Justice for Stephany.

Carry on and come across

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 11, 2012, 03:44:07 PM
Just got home.  Thanks for the links, pictures, comments, and articles! 

I hope that his luck runs out on Friday, January 13!   ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 04:03:37 PM
VIDEO Family Lawyer Stephany Flores explained that qualify for early termination, Van der Sloot eliminated the possibility of a trial and it can be demonstrated that there was premeditation in the death due to robbery.

Edward Alvarez, a lawyer for the family of Stephany Flores said the Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot to benefit from the legal figure of the early termination eliminated the possibility that trial could prove that there was premeditation in the death due to robbery, which would have merited a life sentence and not just 30 years in prison.

Questioned on that line from the investigation stage of the process, the prosecution has shown "weakness" for having accused of simple homicide and theft when, as he said the police investigation and court of first instance showing that the purpose of Van der Sloot was to take the money from the young Peruvian, but she resisted and killed her. "That in Peruvian law is robbery followed by death, and if she (the prosecutor) had been accused by these facts, we are talking 30 years but not life imprisonment," he told RPP Noticias.

He criticized the attorney holder of the Ninth Criminal Prosecutor's Office, Miriam Zully Castellares Riveros, has dismissed a report establishing that the Dutch police sent to Peru via the mechanism of international judicial assistance, and regretted not be made public because there will be no trial or presentation of witnesses.

He said that this material was referred to wiretapping by court-phones-to two friends of the Dutch, whose talks with Van der Sloot, say explicitly that the latter had no money and Stephany Flores killed because she did not give money.


::snipping2::

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-11-van-der-sloot-anulo-toda-posibilidad-de-una-condena-a-cadena-perpetua-noticia_439770.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 11, 2012, 04:15:59 PM
http://www.gadsdentimes.com/article/20120111/APN/1201111228

Judge asked to declare Natalee Holloway dead
By PHILLIP RAWLS
Associated Press
Published: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.
Last Modified: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.

A judge holds a hearing Thursday on whether to sign a court order declaring Natalee Holloway dead more than six years after she disappeared in Aruba. The hearing comes one day after a suspect questioned in her disappearance, Joran van der Sloot, pleaded guilty to killing a woman in Peru.
 ::snipping2::
Attorneys say both parents plan to attend.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 04:21:21 PM
VIDEO Family Lawyer Stephany Flores explained that qualify for early termination, Van der Sloot eliminated the possibility of a trial and it can be demonstrated that there was premeditation in the death due to robbery.

Edward Alvarez, a lawyer for the family of Stephany Flores said the Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot to benefit from the legal figure of the early termination eliminated the possibility that trial could prove that there was premeditation in the death due to robbery, which would have merited a life sentence and not just 30 years in prison.

Questioned on that line from the investigation stage of the process, the prosecution has shown "weakness" for having accused of simple homicide and theft when, as he said the police investigation and court of first instance showing that the purpose of Van der Sloot was to take the money from the young Peruvian, but she resisted and killed her. "That in Peruvian law is robbery followed by death, and if she (the prosecutor) had been accused by these facts, we are talking 30 years but not life imprisonment," he told RPP Noticias.

He criticized the attorney holder of the Ninth Criminal Prosecutor's Office, Miriam Zully Castellares Riveros, has dismissed a report establishing that the Dutch police sent to Peru via the mechanism of international judicial assistance, and regretted not be made public because there will be no trial or presentation of witnesses.

He said that this material was referred to wiretapping by court-phones-to two friends of the Dutch, whose talks with Van der Sloot, say explicitly that the latter had no money and Stephany Flores killed because she did not give money.


::snipping2::

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-11-van-der-sloot-anulo-toda-posibilidad-de-una-condena-a-cadena-perpetua-noticia_439770.html

Thanks Northern Rose

I suspect the Pervian Justice System attempted a balancing act ... a balancing act that would appease a weary Flores' family and ... the court of public attention.  Edward Alvarez' words imply it didn't work.

What prevented the Peruvian prosecutor from handing down the greater charges ... the greater charge that dictated a life sentence?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 04:28:55 PM
http://www.gadsdentimes.com/article/20120111/APN/1201111228

Judge asked to declare Natalee Holloway dead
By PHILLIP RAWLS
Associated Press
Published: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.
Last Modified: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.

A judge holds a hearing Thursday on whether to sign a court order declaring Natalee Holloway dead more than six years after she disappeared in Aruba. The hearing comes one day after a suspect questioned in her disappearance, Joran van der Sloot, pleaded guilty to killing a woman in Peru.
 ::snipping2::
Attorneys say both parents plan to attend.


Thanks Grace

Both my DIL and I have been watching for a media report regarding Thursdays hearing.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 04:34:17 PM
VIDEO
'Van der Sloot is a person dissocial and should be treated'
 Wednesday January 11, 2012 | 4:13
 Attorney murderer of Stephany Flores referred to a person who kills another is not clinically well. He said that qualify for the early conclusion was what most suited his client.

 ::snipping2::

http://peru21.pe/2012/01/11/actualidad/van-der-sloot-persona-disocial-y-tratado-2007061


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 04:38:34 PM
Van der Sloot Lawyer: "It has to be treated"

 Discuss Jose Luis Jimenez, counsel for the Dutch Joran Van der Sloot, the young offender Stephany Ramirez Flores, said his client is not a psychopath, as we pointed out the defense of the victim, Edward Alvarez.

 "They should analyze the file, it says it is a psychopath. He is a dissocial person has a disease, much of this is related to the persecution suffered for six years by the Holloway case, "he added.

 However, counsel conceded that "obviously" the Dutchman "has to be treated," because a person "who takes the life of another is not clinically well." Jimenez added that Van der Sloot expected to receive a lesser sentence to 30 years requested by prosecutors.

http://noticias.terra.com.pe/nacional/abogado-de-van-der-sloot-tiene-que-recibir-tratamiento,3f23fb45d5ec4310VgnVCM3000009af154d0RCRD.html

 ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 04:42:53 PM
 ::snipping2::

In consultation with his lawyer, Joran has now chosen to agree with the accusation of the prosecutor. Not because he wants to provide clarity to the family of Stephany Flores, and not because he is really sorry, but for the simple reason that the punishment likely will turn out better for him. Maybe he gets just a little less than the required 30 years. And if he ensures that he keeps a low profile during his detention, he was less the case for a reduced sentence and sometimes past midnight on the streets. Well, on the street ...

 Because then begins almost certainly the next chapter in the criminal career of Joran van der Sloot: extradition to the U.S. for extortion of the Holloway family ...

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/volledige-bekentenis-joran-van-der-sloot/


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Post by: grace-land on January 11, 2012, 05:07:11 PM
It looks like the courtroom drama is going to continue.  It seems that the defense will appeal to the Supreme Court if the sentence is more than 20 years; the family's lawyer will appeal the sentence if it is less than 28 years.   ::boxingjoran::

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gXnuMb0qT5pZ2tJp4E8ObRMVNdgA?docId=CNG.0fe739f1f49df34b937ed993417cb269.ab1

Dutchman pleads guilty in Peru murder trial
(AFP) – 5 hours ago

 ::snipping2::
Van der Sloot's lawyer said Wednesday that, had the trial lasted longer, he would have argued that the murder was the result of "an emotional reaction to an extreme psychological shock" linked to numerous articles slandering the Dutchman on the fifth anniversary of Holloway's disappearance, in May 2010.

The accelerated trial means no further mention will likely be made of the Holloway case.

Van der Sloot's rapid admission of guilt will allow him to qualify for an "early termination" of his case, which comes with benefits under Peruvian law such as a reduced sentence and authorized leave from prison.

Had he denied the charges, he would have faced a legal process that could have potentially led to life imprisonment.

The sentence reduction is at the discretion of the court. The Dutchman's lawyer, Jose Luis Jimenez, said the sentence could be lowered from 30 to 20 or even 15 years.

The lawyer for the victim's family, Edwar Alvarez, aimed for a minimal reduction, to 28 or 29 years.

"We'd refuse a sentence of 20 years," Alvarez told journalists.

 ::snipping2::
 


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Post by: Kermit on January 11, 2012, 05:09:25 PM
(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/6780/jorangoon.jpg)

GUILTY OF MURDER



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Post by: Kermit on January 11, 2012, 05:14:53 PM
MAY 25, 2010 – Joran contacted John Q. Kelly for the last time.

MAY 25, 2010 – JORAN RESPONDS TO  POSTS ON HIS FACEBOOK

Jaime Carrasquilla 
Awo cu Mourinho ta bai join Real Madrid e worst nightmare di Barca Ta bai cuminsa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AYO Barca!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Yesterday at 9:21am 

Joran Van Der Sloot 
pfff you wish 
Yesterday at 3:06pm


Romy Hoeksma 
Hey Joran, 
How are you doing? long time no speak..woon je nog in thailand?Yesterday at 11:40am 

Joran Van Der Sloot 
Hey Romy, 
Ja zoizo lang geleden. Nee zit niet meer in thailand ben nu in een ander land. Hoe gaat alles met jou? 
Yesterday at 11:45am 

Romy Hoeksma 
ja top:) 
Binnekort weer lekker naar de caribean:) daarna ga ik door naar seoel voor me study..wat doe je nu allemaal? 
Yesterday at 11:47am 

Joran Van Der Sloot 
Doe je goed welk eiland ga je naartoe? Ik ben bezig met werk heb me bedrijf in thailand verhuurd en heb nu gewoon een betaalde baan dus ben daar ook druk mee bezig. Hoop dat alles goed met jou is en veel geluk gewenst in seoel ik ben er een keer geweest met wat thaise vrienden en was super leuk uiteraad well een cultuur shock maar daar doe je het voor tog . Groetjes. 
Yesterday at 11:52am 

Translated: 

Romy Hoeksma 
Hey Joran, 
How are you doing? long time no speak...yet you live in thailand? 

Joran: 
Yes zoizo long ago. No is no longer in Thailand am in another country. How's everything with you? 

Romy: 
yes top:) 
Soon again went to the Caribbean:) then I go on to Seoul to study me .. what do you all now? 

Joran: 
Do you look what island are you going? I'm doing work, I let my business in Thailand and have now just a paid job so am too busy working. Hope all is well with you and good luck in Seoul, I been here once with some Thai friends and was super nice uiteraad a culture shock but well done for the tog:). Greetings.

JORAN EMAIL TO JOHN LUDWIG:
May 26:

Hey,
Just so you know I will be coming back to Aruba on Sunday."

May 29:
"Happy birthday man I hope you had a good day & remember how imortant family & friends are.  I won't bother you today but send me some money through Western Union tomorrow.  The only information of mine you is my name Joran van der Sloot, the country Peru & the city Lima.  I need this man for my ticket back so di it for me.  Take care & enjoy your b-day."

05/29/2010
Stephany Flores meets Joran van der Sloot in the Atlantic City Casino in Lima, Peru

May 30/31, 2010 – Joran leaves Casino with Stephany and returns to his hotel R 5:16 and 8:45 am Joran leaves his hotel room.http://www.diariolaprimeraperu.com/online/policial/holandes-es-principal-sospechoso_63588.html
Approx. 5:16am:     Joran van der Sloot and Stephany Flores leave the Atlantic City Casino
Approx. 5:40am:     Joran van der Sloot and Stephany Flores arrive at TAC hotel and enter Joran's room
Approx. 8:10-8:30am:     Joran leaves the hotel room, crosses the street, purchases two cups of coffee & breakfast bread, returns to the hotel room
Approx. 9:45am:     Joran leaves the hotel room a second time carrying a duffel bag and backpack.

05/31/2010
Natalee Holloway, Missing in Aruba 5 Years Later … Beth Holloway Fights on for Missing Persons

Joran Has Fled to Chile


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 11, 2012, 05:21:01 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/11/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/?hpt=hp_t2

Van der Sloot pleads guilty to Peruvian woman's murderBy the CNN Wire Staff
January 11, 2012 -- Updated 2007 GMT (0407 HKT)

 ::snipping2::
The Peruvian murder case garnered global attention in part because of the circumstances of the killing, but also because van der Sloot was arrested twice but never charged in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

"I was just happy to see that the Flores family finally got justice," Dave Holloway, Natalee Holloway's father, told HLN's Nancy Grace. "I just hope that on Friday that he gets the proper sentence that he deserves."
 ::snipping2::
Dave Holloway said he was "kind of surprised" that van der Sloot's defense attorney used the Holloway case and the death of van der Sloot's father in an attempt to reduce his sentence, saying they created stress for him.

"He created all this -- if he has any stress -- created all this stress himself," Holloway said. "I just don't buy it."
 ::snipping2::
Dave Holloway said Wednesday he doesn't believe Aruban authorities will ever be able to prosecute van der Sloot in his daughter's disappearance.

"To some extent, you try to hold in your mind that this sentencing coming up Friday will help out, and just knowing he's behind bars will help out," he said. "... You've just got to, you know, take a step back and say, 'He's behind bars and that's probably as good as we're going to get.'"


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 05:43:26 PM
(http://content.nos.nl/data/image/xxl/2012/01/11/329900.jpg)

Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom


I could be wrong but ... I suspect that Joran van der Sloot's utter lack of respect to the court on so many level on January 6th and today implies that his guilty plea was a given and Friday's outcome is a given ... two givens that were arrived at prior to the prosecution handing down the charges two months ago that implied a maximum 30 year sentence ... a maximum 30 year sentence that in actuality translates into a much lighter sentence .... rather than charges that would have demanded a life sentence.

Janet

In other words ... Joran van der Sloot was not on a mission to impress the judges ... the judges who held his fate in their hands.

Janet


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Post by: snoopy on January 11, 2012, 05:46:33 PM
Janet  I'm sorry to hear about Brandi.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 11, 2012, 05:50:34 PM
(http://content.nos.nl/data/image/xxl/2012/01/11/329900.jpg)

Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom


I could be wrong but ... I suspect that Joran van der Sloot's utter lack of respect to the court on so many level on January 6th and today implies that his guilty plea was a given and Friday's outcome is a given ... two givens that were arrived at prior to the prosecution handing down the charges two months ago that implied a maximum 30 year sentence ... a maximum 30 year sentence that in actuality translates into a much lighter sentence .... rather than charges that would have demanded a life sentence.

Janet

In other words ... Joran van der Sloot was not on a mission to impress the judges ... the judges who held his fate in their hands.

Janet

reduced sentence or not he's a walking tick tock.

Kalpoe's are next.

Jan. 24th is the date Skeeters died.







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Post by: Kermit on January 11, 2012, 05:51:14 PM
Janet  I'm sorry to hear about Brandi.

what happened to Brandi?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 05:53:12 PM
Janet  I'm sorry to hear about Brandi.

Thanks snoopy.  I am told the sting will lessen with time.  However ... right now I have such guilt that I betrayed the one who never failed to give unconditional love.

Janet


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Post by: Anna on January 11, 2012, 05:53:43 PM
(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea2f3w_700.jpg)

(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea0142_700.jpg)

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2712848/joran-van-sloot-bekent.html#

the face of a cold-blooded conniving narcissistic killer!

It will be interesting to see how Aruba spins this confession too - of course liar island will work overtime to deflect.
Wonder how he got that cut above his eyebrow?


I hope it's a rat bite!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2012, 05:56:22 PM
BBQ grill, now that's funny!
Sabatian, IMO, is on steroids
I been ill for 4 mos. sinus, flu, lost ability to walk and in Dec, type 2 diabetes; am building strength; tomorrow is my "debut" for cleaning and gardening.

Good to know we are together again! ::MonkeySlide::  ::MonkeySkate::

If my name were Van der Sloot, I'd change it too, for survival!

Good to see you, IBE!




Let em add my Roll Tide to that as well.

First Alabama won it then Auburn and now Alabama again all in three years.  Doesn't get any better than that and think how Natalee would have enjoyed this along wth the rest of us.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 05:56:44 PM
Maybe one of the confessions of Joran van der Sloot ... the main suspect in the case ... should be taken into consideration prior to declaring Natalee Holloway dead against the wishes of her mother.  Is this confession the "sliver of hope" that John Q. Kelly is referencing?

Janet

+++++


Father's Attorney

Judge asked to declare Natalee Holloway dead
2:00 PM, Jan 11, 2012


<snipped>

The judge ruled in September that Dave Holloway had met the legal presumption of death and it was up to someone to prove Natalee didn't die on a high school graduation trip. The father's attorney, Mark White, said no new evidence has come forward and he will ask the judge to rule Natalee dead.

<snipped>

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/221660/40/Judge-asked-to-declare-Natalee-Holloway-dead


The Selling of Natalee

Transcript:  Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story

Tuesday, November 25, 2008[/b]
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html

Transcript:  Fallout From Joran van der Sloot's 'On the Record' Interview
Wednesday, November 26, 2008

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html


Sliver of Hope

Natalee Holloway's Mom Still Hoping She Is Alive
Sept. 23, 2011


"Even if it's a one in a million chance, she wants to always have that sliver of hope," said Beth Holloway's attorney, John Q. Kelly, after a court hearing today over the contentious petition.

"She doesn't want to be in the position where Natalee could show up one day and ask, 'Why did you give up on me?'" he said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/natalee-holloways-mom-clings-hope-daughter-alive/story?id=


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 05:57:33 PM
Klaas ... please delete post 514.  I messed up with the hilighting.

Thanks

Janet

Edit:  Done (klaas)


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Post by: Kermit on January 11, 2012, 06:02:54 PM
(http://elcomercio.e3.pe/66/ima/0/0/4/3/4/434878.jpg)
http://peru-rara.blogspot.com/2012/01/padre-de-stephany-flores-conclusion.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Anna on January 11, 2012, 06:03:17 PM
Should Joran be extradited to Alabama, he would likely die during that sentence for extortion.  Doesn't look too healthy and never has.  By then, the law will likely require cremation for prisoners to save space and so the thought of Joran burning in Alabama kind of makes me smile.

Anite won't be around to pay to have the body returned to Aruba and his brothers will have forgotten he even existed.

It could happen.


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Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2012, 07:07:22 PM
Judged by 3 women. 
Priceless.

I hope he gets the maximum time in that hell hole and survives to come to America and die in an Alabama prison.  Then I will be satisfied.
What a POS. 

Justice for Natalee. 
Justice for Stephany.

Carry on and come across

 ::rhino::         ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 07:11:09 PM
Her Position has not Changed

Wednesday, Jan. 11, 2012
Judge asked to declare Natalee Holloway dead


<snipped>

Attorneys for the Holloway family said both of Natalee Holloway's parents plan to be in the Birmingham courtroom on Thursday.

Beth Holloway's attorney, John Q. Kelly, said, "Our thoughts and prayers are with the Flores family during these extraordinarily painful and public proceedings. We hope they find some measure of privacy, inner strength and peace as time goes by."

Kelly said that once van der Sloot is sentenced on Friday, he expect U.S. authorities to try to bring him to Alabama to face pending federal charges accusing him of extorting $25,000 from Beth Holloway to reveal the location of her body daughter's body in Aruba. Kelly went to Aruba for the revelation, but van der Sloot did not deliver.

Natalee Holloway's parents were divorced in 1993. She was raised by her mother in Mountain Brook, but spent every other weekend with her father, an insurance agent in Meridian, Miss.

At a court hearing in September, Beth Holloway sent a lawyer to oppose her husband's efforts to have their daughter declared dead. Kelly said Wednesday that Beth Holloway's position has not changed.

<snipped>

http://www.sunherald.com/2012/01/11/3680932/judge-asked-to-declare-natalee.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2012, 07:16:27 PM
(http://static1.ad.nl/static/photo/2012/14/9/9/20120111170055/media_l_1071519.jpg)

Here is the perfect pic to use.... along with the perfect headline.

"I am truly very sorry for what I have done. I feel very bad." -Joran Van der sloot

--------

He needs finishing.

Yes, sir...he does.   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::


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Post by: snoopy on January 11, 2012, 08:22:16 PM
Joran doesn't look so good.  Dead man walking.

Janet.....you didn't fail.  You did the right thing as hard as it was.  And yes time does heal.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 08:35:34 PM
Dave Holloway is on Nancy Grace right now!!  CNN/HLN

Janet
5:30 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 08:40:19 PM
Maybe one of the confessions of Joran van der Sloot ... the main suspect in the case ... should be taken into consideration prior to declaring Natalee Holloway dead against the wishes of her mother.  Is this confession the "sliver of hope" that John Q. Kelly is referencing?

Janet

+++++


Father's Attorney

Judge asked to declare Natalee Holloway dead
2:00 PM, Jan 11, 2012


<snipped>

The judge ruled in September that Dave Holloway had met the legal presumption of death and it was up to someone to prove Natalee didn't die on a high school graduation trip. The father's attorney, Mark White, said no new evidence has come forward and he will ask the judge to rule Natalee dead.

<snipped>

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/221660/40/Judge-asked-to-declare-Natalee-Holloway-dead


The Selling of Natalee

Transcript:  Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html


Transcript:  Fallout From Joran van der Sloot's 'On the Record' Interview
Wednesday, November 26, 2008

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html


Sliver of Hope

Natalee Holloway's Mom Still Hoping She Is Alive
Sept. 23, 2011


"Even if it's a one in a million chance, she wants to always have that sliver of hope," said Beth Holloway's attorney, John Q. Kelly, after a court hearing today over the contentious petition.

"She doesn't want to be in the position where Natalee could show up one day and ask, 'Why did you give up on me?'" he said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/natalee-holloways-mom-clings-hope-daughter-alive/story?id=


Then there is the other confession that could afford Beth Holloway a "sliver of hope" ... the confession when Joran van der Sloot claimed he left a live Natalee Holloway on the beach.

Janet

+++++++

I Left Natalee at the Beach

Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 1
Published March 01, 2006

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186581,00.html


Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 2
Published March 03, 2006

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html


Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 3
Published March 06, 2006

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186880,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 08:41:02 PM
Uncertainty about van der Sloot's extradition to U.S.

 ::snipping2::
So what are the chances van der Sloot ever ends up in Alabama to face charges he extorted money from Holloway's family in exchange for leading them to Natalee's body?

"We're really at the mercy of the Peruvian government," said former federal Judge John Carroll, Dean of Samford's Cumberland Law School. "International extradition is based on treaties, and we have a treaty that was signed in 1901."

Carroll says that 1901 treaty lists specific charges that would allow prosecutors to extradite van der Sloot and wire fraud isn't one of them, that could make it even more difficult to bring van der Sloot here.

"This goes through diplomatic channels, the state department has to be involved," Carroll said. "They could well say, come back and talk to us when he's served his five years. Now there could be some negotiations where they say, 'We'll let him come to the U.S.' I think the odds are good, eventually at some point. I think the problem is the Peruvian government, who has custody of him, we'll say, 'Look, come talk to us after his sentence is over.'"

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/16500148/uncertainty-about-van-der-sloots-extradition-to-us


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 08:42:39 PM
Joran doesn't look so good.  Dead man walking.

Janet.....you didn't fail.  You did the right thing as hard as it was.  And yes time does heal.

 :smt060


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: San on January 11, 2012, 09:07:11 PM
(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea2f3w_700.jpg)

(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea0142_700.jpg)

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2712848/joran-van-sloot-bekent.html#

These pictures are just chilling to me.  Looking right into the eyes of a multi murderer.  He is evil.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Ono on January 11, 2012, 09:07:14 PM
Is that a cross on the Judges table?


It is.  So isn't a "sincere confession" one that begins "I have sinned through MY OWN FAULT" and not try to blame everybody else in the whole world?  Mea culpa!  That is all.

Roman Catholicism is the official religion of  Peru. [ Heritage of the conquest by Spain--circa 1530. ]


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: San on January 11, 2012, 09:10:56 PM
I wanted to thank everyone for their pictures and links today.  I don't have much time to read and reading your comments helps.

Magnolia, I find it very ironic that Natalee's hearing to be declared dead is the day before the monster gets sentenced.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2012, 09:25:05 PM
I'd recorded In Session so I'm just now watching today's proceedings.

After Joran pleads guilty...

Then his lawyer makes a statement, and most of it is about Natalee's case.  His father's death is mentioned...post traumatic stress disorder...blah blah blah.

The prosecution (lets him talk some) and then objects.

The judge agrees that Natalee's case is not the subject of the proceedings.

So then he makes a statement contradicting the prosecution's charges against Joran, regarding the areas of Stephany's body that were injured.

The judge stops him again, and starts saying something about if he starts arguing the prosecutions charges...but then In Session interrupts so I couldn't hear the rest.

Seems to me that they wanted to argue the case after the guilty plea!

And it was very obvious by Joran's reactions and body language that this is exactly how he expected his attorney to proceed.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

From the commentator he continued to speak about Joran's cooperation with the authorities etc.  He also stated that his client had a right to a reduction of the sentence.

The judge said this was the conclusion of the oral debate...and was about to suspend the hearing until the judges determine the sentence for Joran.

The prosecution spoke up and said (from the translator) there was an omission in light of international law and human rights...we must say that the victim has a right to the truth.

When they pan over to Joran as the prosecutor is speaking of Stephany's rights... he has his head down shaking it "no".   ::boxingjoran::

(The prosecutor continues) So the right to a defense does not only pertain to the defendant but also to the victim.  So in view of human rights I ask for just one minute for a clarification.

The judge stops everything and confers with the other judges...

When she comes back on the microphone, she says that since the defendant has pleaded guilty he may only speak regarding civil reparations.

The prosecutor states that one element to consider is the damage, and that therefore is the acceptance in all its extremes by the defendant, this is the life projection of a 21 year old girl who was successfully completing higher education and then had her life taken from her...

I wish In Session would have let us hear the whole statement of both the lawyers!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

I haven't finished watching, but I'm glad at least this much was said for Stephany!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2012, 09:27:18 PM
(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea2f3w_700.jpg)

(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea0142_700.jpg)

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2712848/joran-van-sloot-bekent.html#

These pictures are just chilling to me.  Looking right into the eyes of a multi murderer.  He is evil.

Yes, he is evil.  And he should NEVER be free to harm anyone again.  EVER.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Ono on January 11, 2012, 09:28:03 PM
Uncertainty about van der Sloot's extradition to U.S.

 ::snipping2::
So what are the chances van der Sloot ever ends up in Alabama to face charges he extorted money from Holloway's family in exchange for leading them to Natalee's body?

"We're really at the mercy of the Peruvian government," said former federal Judge John Carroll, Dean of Samford's Cumberland Law School. "International extradition is based on treaties, and we have a treaty that was signed in 1901."

Carroll says that 1901 treaty lists specific charges that would allow prosecutors to extradite van der Sloot and wire fraud isn't one of them, that could make it even more difficult to bring van der Sloot here.

"This goes through diplomatic channels, the state department has to be involved," Carroll said. "They could well say, come back and talk to us when he's served his five years. Now there could be some negotiations where they say, 'We'll let him come to the U.S.' I think the odds are good, eventually at some point. I think the problem is the Peruvian government, who has custody of him, we'll say, 'Look, come talk to us after his sentence is over.'"

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/16500148/uncertainty-about-van-der-sloots-extradition-to-us

I am so in hopes that somehow, some way, through diplomatic channels & proper legalistic maneuvering, that Joran will be swiftly extradited here to Alabama, post haste, after his sentencing in Peru.   To have to answer for his behaviors in Alabama's court system has always been his phobia and his worst nightmare, in my view.  Alabama scares him silly!!!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 09:30:10 PM
Is that a cross on the Judges table?


It is.  So isn't a "sincere confession" one that begins "I have sinned through MY OWN FAULT" and not try to blame everybody else in the whole world?  Mea culpa!  That is all.

Roman Catholicism is the official religion of  Peru. [ Heritage of the conquest by Spain--circa 1530. ]

Another one of Anita van der Sloots bubbles has burst.

Janet

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Waiting for the Sentence: Joran van der Sloot's Slow Road to Justice
By Lucien Chauvin / Lima Friday, Jan. 06, 2012


<snipped>

Already infamous as the main suspect in the disappearance and likely death of the young American Natalee Holloway in Aruba on May 30, 2005, van der Sloot was in court for the first day of his long-delayed trial for the murder of a Peruvian woman on the exact same day in 2010.

He fidgeted in his seat, fanning himself and tapping his jeans-clad leg while the court reporter read through a long list of legal nuts and bolts. He seemed to nod off a few times, slouching in his seat to the consternation of Judge Victoria Montoya. She called on him to stand, reminding him that he was in a court of law and needed to respect protocol. He listened to most of the proceedings in Spanish, turning only once to a court-appointed translator for her to clarify a point for him in Dutch. The translator provided the only bit of levity in the courtroom, stunning the judge when she responded "no" to the question, "Do you believe in God?" It is a question put before anyone who has a role in a trial in deeply Catholic Peru.

<snipped>

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2103945,00.html?xid=gonewsedit


Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Published June 23, 2005


<snipped>

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare, too, but our life is a nightmare, too.

<snipped>

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT:   And he was telling me, Mommy, look at me, I'm reading the Bible. Did you ever think about that? And I think it's great. It's difficult to read.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 09:37:50 PM

Consider the outcomes are unknown ... the next two days will be difficult in the lives of Beth Holloway as well as the parents of Stephany Flores.  My prayers are with them.

Janet

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Thursday, January 12, 2012

- The Hearing to Declare Natalee Holloway dead.

Friday, January 13, 2012

- Joran van der Sloot's Sentencing in the Stephany Flores case.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 11, 2012, 10:02:43 PM
I wanted to thank everyone for their pictures and links today.  I don't have much time to read and reading your comments helps.

Magnolia, I find it very ironic that Natalee's hearing to be declared dead is the day before the monster gets sentenced.


I do too, San.   The hearing is at 9:30AM, CST in the Jefferson County Courthouse, in Birmingham.
I think it is a sad day to declare Natalee dead for $2,000.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2012, 10:08:44 PM
I wanted to thank everyone for their pictures and links today.  I don't have much time to read and reading your comments helps.

Magnolia, I find it very ironic that Natalee's hearing to be declared dead is the day before the monster gets sentenced.


I do too, San.   The hearing is at 9:30AM, CST in the Jefferson County Courthouse, in Birmingham.
I think it is a sad day to declare Natalee dead for $2,000.

I know how you feel Magnolia.

I've thought about that a lot, and I truly hope there is more to it than that.

If there's not, it is sad indeed. 

My guess would be that the lawyers alone cost more than that to get it done.  jmo



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: San on January 11, 2012, 10:25:05 PM
I wanted to thank everyone for their pictures and links today.  I don't have much time to read and reading your comments helps.

Magnolia, I find it very ironic that Natalee's hearing to be declared dead is the day before the monster gets sentenced.


I do too, San.   The hearing is at 9:30AM, CST in the Jefferson County Courthouse, in Birmingham.
I think it is a sad day to declare Natalee dead for $2,000.

I do too.  Hopefully there is something behind all of this.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: San on January 11, 2012, 10:26:10 PM
I wanted to thank everyone for their pictures and links today.  I don't have much time to read and reading your comments helps.

Magnolia, I find it very ironic that Natalee's hearing to be declared dead is the day before the monster gets sentenced.


I do too, San.   The hearing is at 9:30AM, CST in the Jefferson County Courthouse, in Birmingham.
I think it is a sad day to declare Natalee dead for $2,000.

I know how you feel Magnolia.

I've thought about that a lot, and I truly hope there is more to it than that.

If there's not, it is sad indeed. 

My guess would be that the lawyers alone cost more than that to get it done.  jmo


Exactly.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: AZSunny on January 11, 2012, 10:28:38 PM
(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea2f3w_700.jpg)

(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea0142_700.jpg)

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2712848/joran-van-sloot-bekent.html#

These pictures are just chilling to me.  Looking right into the eyes of a multi murderer.  He is evil.

Yes, he is evil.  And he should NEVER be free to harm anyone again.  EVER.

He is paying.  He looks like he is 45 years old.  Life in that jail must be a little harder than he expected.  Let him rot there.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2012, 10:30:19 PM
Jean Casarez said she received an email from Stephany's brother Enrique, he said the family has decided they will be present in court on Friday for the sentencing.

The family also told her that Joran's dna was under Stephany's fingernails.

Nancy Grace has gone over the injuries to Stephany and the scene of the crime again tonight.

Poor Stephany. 

IMO...The sentence should have been life in prison for this crime, ONLY because Peru doesn't have the DEATH PENALTY!

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2012, 10:40:17 PM
(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea2f3w_700.jpg)

(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fz4eea0142_700.jpg)

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2712848/joran-van-sloot-bekent.html#

These pictures are just chilling to me.  Looking right into the eyes of a multi murderer.  He is evil.

Yes, he is evil.  And he should NEVER be free to harm anyone again.  EVER.

He is paying.  He looks like he is 45 years old.  Life in that jail must be a little harder than he expected.  Let him rot there.

True, but think about it...a lot of people didn't think he'd live to see his trial!

Only this evil POS! 

I would have felt better if he'd had some obvious injuries...like an eyeball hanging out or something!

Sure it's punishment that he can't be out conning people, gambling, etc.

I know that it's wrong of me, but honestly... I want him to really suffer!

I'm so tired of HIM proclaiming to be the VICTIM no matter what he's done!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

It's TIME for him to KNOW what it feels like to actually BE a VICTIM!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 11, 2012, 10:48:43 PM
Her Position has not Changed

Wednesday, Jan. 11, 2012
Judge asked to declare Natalee Holloway dead


<snipped>

Attorneys for the Holloway family said both of Natalee Holloway's parents plan to be in the Birmingham courtroom on Thursday.

Beth Holloway's attorney, John Q. Kelly, said, "Our thoughts and prayers are with the Flores family during these extraordinarily painful and public proceedings. We hope they find some measure of privacy, inner strength and peace as time goes by."

Kelly said that once van der Sloot is sentenced on Friday, he expect U.S. authorities to try to bring him to Alabama to face pending federal charges accusing him of extorting $25,000 from Beth Holloway to reveal the location of her body daughter's body in Aruba. Kelly went to Aruba for the revelation, but van der Sloot did not deliver.

Natalee Holloway's parents were divorced in 1993. She was raised by her mother in Mountain Brook, but spent every other weekend with her father, an insurance agent in Meridian, Miss.

At a court hearing in September, Beth Holloway sent a lawyer to oppose her husband's efforts to have their daughter declared dead. Kelly said Wednesday that Beth Holloway's position has not changed.

<snipped>

http://www.sunherald.com/2012/01/11/3680932/judge-asked-to-declare-natalee.html


It is not over until it is over.

Janet

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Beth Holloway opposes petition to declare Natalee dead
Posted: Sep 22, 2011 12:42 PM PDT
Updated: Sep 22, 2011 12:47 PM PDT


BIRMINGHAM, AL (WBRC) - Beth Holloway will oppose the petition filed by Dave Holloway to declare their daughter Natalee legally dead, said Beth Holloway's spokesperson Sunny Tillman on Thursday.

Dave Holloway filed a petition in a Jefferson County probate court in June 2011 to have his daughter declared legally dead. The petition will be heard in probate court in Birmingham tomorrow.

"Beth intends to oppose Dave's inexplicable effort to have Natalee declared dead," her attorney John Q. Kelly said today, according to a release sent by Tillman.

"Beth gave birth to and raised Natalee, and will always hope and pray for Natalee's safe return. If Dave seeks closure on such a personal and sensitive matter, it should be respected, but not imposed upon Beth in such an adversarial and public manner," Kelly said

<snipped>

http://www.wsfa.com/story/15526985/beth-holloway-opposes-petition-to-declare-natalee-dead



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2012, 10:57:50 PM
Sorry...I shouldn't have said all of that in my prior post.  I am just very angry after watching him in court, and then seeing again what he did to Stephany...hearing Dave Holloway's voice...and everyone talk about the injustice in Aruba...and then John Ludwick blaming Stephany for provoking Joran!

I'm just so sad and ANGRY!

It was one of those posts I should have typed and erased without posting...

 :sad: :smt091 :2brickwall:

At least Nancy Grace told John Ludwick how CRAZY he sounds!   ::MonkeyCool::

I hope she won't give him air time again.  Period.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 11, 2012, 11:06:13 PM
http://ksax.com/article/stories/S2449022.shtml?cat=10230

Van der Sloot Pleads Guilty to Killing Peru Woman
Updated: 01/11/2012 6:48 PM KSAX.com 
By: Jennie Olson

 ::snipping2::
The victim's father, circus impresario and former race car driver Ricardo Flores, attended the opening of the trial but not Wednesday's hearing.

Reached by phone before Van der Sloot's plea, he said he wasn't watching the trial on TV but would await word from his lawyer.

"This matter hurts us," he told The Associated Press.
 ::snipping2::
Ricardo Flores said he doesn't think Van der Sloot is at all contrite over his daughter's death and wants to see the defendant placed in conditions of greater deprivation.

That could include being extradited to the United States to stand trial there once he's been sentenced in Peru.

Peru's Foreign Ministry says it has no U.S. extradition request for Van der Sloot.

U.S. authorities have requested his arrest through Interpol "should he be released on the charges there" so he could be brought to Birmingham, Alabama, for trial, said Peggy Sanford, a spokeswoman the U.S. Attorney's office there.


No members of Van der Sloot's family have attended the trial.

His lawyer said his client's mother, Anita, did not want the media attention. The defendant's father, a prominent lawyer, died of a heart attack at age 57 in February 2010.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 11, 2012, 11:10:46 PM
Sorry...I shouldn't have said all of that in my prior post.  I am just very angry after watching him in court, and then seeing again what he did to Stephany...hearing Dave Holloway's voice...and everyone talk about the injustice in Aruba...and then John Ludwick blaming Stephany for provoking Joran!

I'm just so sad and ANGRY!

It was one of those posts I should have typed and erased without posting...

 :sad: :smt091 :2brickwall:

At least Nancy Grace told John Ludwick how CRAZY he sounds!   ::MonkeyCool::

I hope she won't give him air time again.  Period.
 

BBM

Texasmom    :smt056
So am I!   ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 11, 2012, 11:32:21 PM
http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=10764

Joran van der Sloot pleads guilty to killing Peru woman
Posted by Aruba Daily on January 11th, 2012

Joran van der Sloot pleaded guilty on Wednesday to the 2010 murder of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman he met at a Lima casino who was killed five years to the day of the unsolved disappearance in Aruba of an American teen in which he remains the main suspect.

“Yes, I want to plead guilty. I wanted from the first moment to confess sincerely,” he told the court. “I truly am sorry for this act. I feel very bad.”

Van der Sloot’s lawyer argued after his client’s brief statement that the defendant killed Stephany Flores as a result of “extreme psychological trauma” he suffered from the fallout of the 2005 disappearance on the Caribbean island of Aruba of Natalee Holloway.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 11, 2012, 11:37:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/97714-joran-pleit-schuld-in-hoop-op-strafvermindering

Google translation

Joran pleads guilty hope of remission
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:17

ORANGE CITY / LIMA - Joran himself in court this morning in Lima, Peru guilty of the murder and robbery of Stephany Flores (21) on May 30, 2010. He says that his earlier confession is true and lay down reluctantly in charge of the prosecution. Moments later he expressed his regret. Three co-defendants in the case declared innocent.
 ::snipping2::
With this confession Joran hopes thus reduced sentence. It is because a maximum sentence of 30 years and a fine of 200,000 soles (converted about 130,000 florins) overhead. With a "sincere confession", it is customary that the judge sentences will apply. After the confession his lawyer Jimenez was a brief plea to keep. It asked the court to take into account the "psychological state" of his client. Joran would - when he killed Flores brought - from post-traumatic stress suffered because of the death of his father. And, says Jimenez, Joran has always cooperated with the law. Finally, counsel requests to the Natalee Holloway disregard the verdict.
 ::snipping2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 11, 2012, 11:42:27 PM
I wanted to thank everyone for their pictures and links today.  I don't have much time to read and reading your comments helps.

Magnolia, I find it very ironic that Natalee's hearing to be declared dead is the day before the monster gets sentenced.


I do too, San.   The hearing is at 9:30AM, CST in the Jefferson County Courthouse, in Birmingham.
I think it is a sad day to declare Natalee dead for $2,000.

I do too.  Hopefully there is something behind all of this.

I think it's a legal move. If Natalee is declared dead, then it opens the possibility to go after Joran for her murder whereas no body no crime.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 11, 2012, 11:47:25 PM
Sorry...I shouldn't have said all of that in my prior post.  I am just very angry after watching him in court, and then seeing again what he did to Stephany...hearing Dave Holloway's voice...and everyone talk about the injustice in Aruba...and then John Ludwick blaming Stephany for provoking Joran!

I'm just so sad and ANGRY!

It was one of those posts I should have typed and erased without posting...

 :sad: :smt091 :2brickwall:

At least Nancy Grace told John Ludwick how CRAZY he sounds!   ::MonkeyCool::

I hope she won't give him air time again.  Period.
 

No apology needed.
although, I still hold out hope that we'll watch him in an Alabama court room too for justice on American soil!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 12, 2012, 12:01:19 AM
The lawyer for the family responds to the statements made by the defense lawyer after Joran's confession.

http://peru21.pe/2012/01/11/actualidad/van-der-sloot-no-esta-arrepentido-nada-2007067

Google translation

'Van der Sloot is not sorry'
Wednesday January 11, 2012 | 5:13

Edward Alvarez Flores family lawyer Ramírez criticized the statements of the Dutch, who said he felt very bad about killing Stephany, and he was seen smiling in the audience today
 ::snipping2::
"That man (Van der Sloot) is not sorry for anything. These things (too cheerful attitude) must take into account the room and not risk putting a minimum sentence or less listening to the arguments, I would say poor and without support of the defense (...) That man is a psychopath ", said Alvarez told reporters.

He noted that it is contradictory for the defense of Van der Sloot stated that this has worked with the justice, who questioned the statement to the police, reported the interpreter to the Dutch embassy and recommended because you filed a habeas corpus which alleged that there had violated the rights of his client.

"During the whole process was silent, although it is a right, but on the grounds that there was no interpreter. However, there comes the trial and says it needs a translator because he understands and speaks Spanish. So what was that? A filibuster, "said Alvarez.

Finally, he recalled that the main suspect in the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway was investigated by the police of his country by extortion, and the United States requested his extradition for the same offense.

"In Holland lifted the secrecy of communications and two friends of Van der Sloot. There he discovered that he told them he met a girl who had money and that she was his goal. So how can we speak of a sudden it was an act (the murder of Flores), this it was premeditated, "said the lawyer.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: wreck on January 12, 2012, 12:02:03 AM
I wanted to thank everyone for their pictures and links today.  I don't have much time to read and reading your comments helps.

Magnolia, I find it very ironic that Natalee's hearing to be declared dead is the day before the monster gets sentenced.


I do too, San.   The hearing is at 9:30AM, CST in the Jefferson County Courthouse, in Birmingham.
I think it is a sad day to declare Natalee dead for $2,000.

I do too.  Hopefully there is something behind all of this.

I think it's a legal move. If Natalee is declared dead, then it opens the possibility to go after Joran for her murder whereas no body no crime.

I think you are correct on this. I know this is against Beth's wishes -- but, there must be some compelling reason for Dave to do this. I'm just sorry there is such acrimony between Beth and Dave. I would like to side with Beth here -- but I just don't know enough to take sides.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 12:03:48 AM
There is no requirment that compells Dave Holloway to "prove" that Natalee is deceased to obtain a declaration of death but ... Beth Holloway is required to "prove" that Natalee is alive for the judge to deny Dave's motion.  Maybe there is something I am not getting but ... the playing field does not appear to be even.

Anyways ... what will be will be.  Whatever the outcome Natalee's Mom will take the high road.

Janet

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Natalee Holloway's parents prepare for death declaration hearing
January 11, 2012


<snipped>

Dave Holloway's attorneys say both of her parents are preparing for hopefully a final hearing.

"All of the legal T's have been crossed and the I's have been dotted. No one has come forward with any evidence that Natalee Holloway is alive," White said.

A judge gave about a 3 and a half month window to prove otherwise.

Attorney Mark White says he's spoken with Beth Holloway's counsel and his client.

White says if the court declares Holloway deceased it will provide the family -- an end to years of turmoil.

"You can never heal from something like this the most you can probably do is scar, but at least that process of closure is underway," White said.

<snipped>

http://www2.alabamas13.com/news/2012/jan/11/natalee-holloways-parents-prepare-death--ar-3027287/

s.t.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2012, 12:10:27 AM
I wanted to thank everyone for their pictures and links today.  I don't have much time to read and reading your comments helps.

Magnolia, I find it very ironic that Natalee's hearing to be declared dead is the day before the monster gets sentenced.


I do too, San.   The hearing is at 9:30AM, CST in the Jefferson County Courthouse, in Birmingham.
I think it is a sad day to declare Natalee dead for $2,000.

I do too.  Hopefully there is something behind all of this.

I think it's a legal move. If Natalee is declared dead, then it opens the possibility to go after Joran for her murder whereas no body no crime.


I've wondered about that too.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 12, 2012, 12:40:44 AM
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2012/0112/Van-der-Sloot-plea-may-lead-Judge-to-declare-Natalee-Holloway-dead

Van der Sloot plea may lead Judge to declare Natalee Holloway dead
Van der Sloot accepted the Peruvian murder charges against him, Wednesday, which may allow a Judge in Alabama to declare Natalee Holloway dead based on the adjudication of Van der Sloot, the only suspect in her killing.
By PHILLIP RAWLS, Associated Press / January 12, 2012

 ::snipping2::
Jefferson County Probate Judge Alan King is hearing a request by Natalee Holloway's father to have her declared dead. Her mother originally objected, but will not contest a ruling Thursday, her attorney said.
 ::snipping2::
The father's attorney, Mark White, said no new evidence has emerged, and he will ask the judge to rule her dead.

"We intend to point out the fact that the person who we believe is responsible for this tragedy is now an adjudicated killer," White said Wednesday.
 ::snipping2::
Attorneys for the Holloway family said both of Natalee Holloway's parents plan to be in the Birmingham courtroom on Thursday.

Beth Holloway's attorney, John Q. Kelly, said, "Our thoughts and prayers are with the Flores family during these extraordinarily painful and public proceedings. We hope they find some measure of privacy, inner strength and peace as time goes by."

Kelly said that once van der Sloot is sentenced on Friday, he expect U.S. authorities to try to bring him to Alabama to face pending federal charges accusing him of extorting $25,000 from Beth Holloway to reveal the location of her body daughter's body in Aruba. Kelly went to Aruba for the revelation, but van der Sloot did not deliver.
 ::snipping2::
At a court hearing in September, Beth Holloway sent a lawyer to oppose her husband's efforts to have their daughter declared dead.

The attorney, Charlie DeBardelaben, said Wednesday evening she no longer objects and she understands the reasons her ex-husband wants a ruling. "She is ready to put an end to this chapter," he said.

At that court hearing, Dave Holloway's attorney said a court order declaring her dead would allow her father to use her $2,000 college fund for her younger brother and allow the father to stop paying hospital insurance for her.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: wreck on January 12, 2012, 12:52:47 AM
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2012/0112/Van-der-Sloot-plea-may-lead-Judge-to-declare-Natalee-Holloway-dead

Van der Sloot plea may lead Judge to declare Natalee Holloway dead
Van der Sloot accepted the Peruvian murder charges against him, Wednesday, which may allow a Judge in Alabama to declare Natalee Holloway dead based on the adjudication of Van der Sloot, the only suspect in her killing.
By PHILLIP RAWLS
, Associated Press / January 12, 2012

 ::snipping2::
Jefferson County Probate Judge Alan King is hearing a request by Natalee Holloway's father to have her declared dead. Her mother originally objected, but will not contest a ruling Thursday, her attorney said.
 ::snipping2::
The father's attorney, Mark White, said no new evidence has emerged, and he will ask the judge to rule her dead.

"We intend to point out the fact that the person who we believe is responsible for this tragedy is now an adjudicated killer," White said Wednesday.
 ::snipping2::
Attorneys for the Holloway family said both of Natalee Holloway's parents plan to be in the Birmingham courtroom on Thursday.

Beth Holloway's attorney, John Q. Kelly, said, "Our thoughts and prayers are with the Flores family during these extraordinarily painful and public proceedings. We hope they find some measure of privacy, inner strength and peace as time goes by."

Kelly said that once van der Sloot is sentenced on Friday, he expect U.S. authorities to try to bring him to Alabama to face pending federal charges accusing him of extorting $25,000 from Beth Holloway to reveal the location of her body daughter's body in Aruba. Kelly went to Aruba for the revelation, but van der Sloot did not deliver.
 ::snipping2::
At a court hearing in September, Beth Holloway sent a lawyer to oppose her husband's efforts to have their daughter declared dead.

The attorney, Charlie DeBardelaben, said Wednesday evening she no longer objects and she understands the reasons her ex-husband wants a ruling. "She is ready to put an end to this chapter," he said.

At that court hearing, Dave Holloway's attorney said a court order declaring her dead would allow her father to use her $2,000 college fund for her younger brother and allow the father to stop paying hospital insurance for her.

Good to hear!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: wreck on January 12, 2012, 12:54:10 AM
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2012/0112/Van-der-Sloot-plea-may-lead-Judge-to-declare-Natalee-Holloway-dead

Van der Sloot plea may lead Judge to declare Natalee Holloway dead
Van der Sloot accepted the Peruvian murder charges against him, Wednesday, which may allow a Judge in Alabama to declare Natalee Holloway dead based on the adjudication of Van der Sloot, the only suspect in her killing.
By PHILLIP RAWLS
, Associated Press / January 12, 2012

 ::snipping2::
Jefferson County Probate Judge Alan King is hearing a request by Natalee Holloway's father to have her declared dead. Her mother originally objected, but will not contest a ruling Thursday, her attorney said.
 ::snipping2::
The father's attorney, Mark White, said no new evidence has emerged, and he will ask the judge to rule her dead.

"We intend to point out the fact that the person who we believe is responsible for this tragedy is now an adjudicated killer," White said Wednesday.
 ::snipping2::
Attorneys for the Holloway family said both of Natalee Holloway's parents plan to be in the Birmingham courtroom on Thursday.

Beth Holloway's attorney, John Q. Kelly, said, "Our thoughts and prayers are with the Flores family during these extraordinarily painful and public proceedings. We hope they find some measure of privacy, inner strength and peace as time goes by."

Kelly said that once van der Sloot is sentenced on Friday, he expect U.S. authorities to try to bring him to Alabama to face pending federal charges accusing him of extorting $25,000 from Beth Holloway to reveal the location of her body daughter's body in Aruba. Kelly went to Aruba for the revelation, but van der Sloot did not deliver.
 ::snipping2::
At a court hearing in September, Beth Holloway sent a lawyer to oppose her husband's efforts to have their daughter declared dead.

The attorney, Charlie DeBardelaben, said Wednesday evening she no longer objects and she understands the reasons her ex-husband wants a ruling. "She is ready to put an end to this chapter," he said.


At that court hearing, Dave Holloway's attorney said a court order declaring her dead would allow her father to use her $2,000 college fund for her younger brother and allow the father to stop paying hospital insurance for her.

Good to hear!!
OOPS!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 12, 2012, 01:27:26 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/natalee-holloway-mother-takes-comfort-joran-van-der-sloot-courtroom-admission-killed-stephany-flores-article-1.1004922

Natalee Holloway’s mother takes little comfort in Joran van der Sloot’s courtroom admission that he killed Stephany Flores
Claim of post-traumatic stress 'outrageous and unfathomable,' Beth Holloway's lawyer says
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 By Nancy Dillon / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Thursday, January 12 2012, 12:19 AM

Natalee Holloway’s mom found little comfort Wednesday in Joran van der Sloot’s courtroom admission that he killed a Peruvian gal pal in 2010, her lawyer told the Daily News.

“It doesn’t bring her any closer to any resolution of Natalee’s disappearance,” lawyer John Q. Kelly said, calling the mother’s ongoing pain “immeasurable.”

Kelly said his still-grieving client, Beth Holloway, scoffed at Van der Sloot’s so-called “sincere confession.”

Particularly offensive to the mother was the 24-year-old Dutchman’s claim he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder due to accusations that he killed Natalee Holloway during the teen’s 2005 graduation trip to Aruba, Kelly said.

“It’s just outrageous and unfathomable that he’s using his torment of the Holloway family, his refusal to cooperate and his extortion and fraudulent behavior as a reason why he deserves sympathy,” Kelly told The News.
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“Obviously, she’d like to see him as miserable and suffering as much as possible in a jail somewhere for the immeasurable pain and misery he’s inflicted on her and her family,” Kelly said.

“She has not one iota of sympathy or forgiveness.”
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Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/natalee-holloway-mother-takes-comfort-joran-van-der-sloot-courtroom-admission-killed-stephany-flores-article-1.1004922#ixzz1jDpkyA31


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2012, 01:47:17 AM
http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=10764

Joran van der Sloot pleads guilty to killing Peru woman

Posted by Aruba Daily on January 11th, 2012

Joran van der Sloot pleaded guilty on Wednesday to the 2010 murder of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman he met at a Lima casino who was killed five years to the day of the unsolved disappearance in Aruba of an American teen in which he remains the main suspect.

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Van der Sloot entered the plea in hopes of a reduced sentence. The panel of three judges has 48 hours to render a sentence.

Prosecutors sought 30 years in prison on first-degree murder and theft charges. The defense claimed the killing was manslaughter, whose minimum sentence is 5 years.

Van der Sloot claimed in a confession shortly after the May 30, 2010, murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores that he killed her in a fit of rage after she discovered on his laptop his connection to the disappearance of Holloway.

But prosecutors say Van der Sloot killed Flores, a business student from a prominent family, in order to rob her after learning she had won money at the casino where the two met. They say he killed her with “ferocity” and “cruelty,” beating then strangling her in his Lima hotel room.

Holloway, an Alabama teen, disappeared a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island of Aruba where Van der Sloot grew up.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 12, 2012, 01:49:20 AM
I'm glad to hear that Beth has no sympathy or forgiveness............ neither do I.

Joran hasn't sought forgiveness, repented, repaired all he could, changed his ways, or even so much as said or felt sorry! He's got some uncomfortable feelings right now, but that's still all about him....... he's scared of consequences. He's had so few in his life, thanks to Anita, Paulus and Aruba and I do add to that list, his own choices.

He's already dead in every way that counts, IMO. The problem is that he keeps taking vibrant, beautiful, innocent and unsuspecting girls with him!

I know this sounds weird, but I have more sympathy for Joran if what's in front of him isn't hard and cruel enough to make him look up for help. I can't see any indication at all that will ever happen. He's soul is dead. What faces him will just put things in better sync.

The love and empathy required for sympathy and forgiveness is extended, by me, to those who can receive it. Beth and Natalee's family and Stephany's family have all of mine, along with my prayers for comfort.

Good riddance to Joran


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2012, 02:11:41 AM
http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

January 12, 2012 Awe Mainta (Aruba)
Front Page

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Page 2

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2012, 02:33:12 AM
http://www.diario.aw/

Diario (Aruba)

January 12, 2012 Front Page

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http://www.diario.aw/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-a-declara-su-mes-culpable-di-mata-stephany-flores/

Papiamentu translation:

joran van der sloot owing to declara his self culpable of kill stephany flores

publication: thursday, 12 january 2012.

categoria: general

peru: joran van der sloot owing to declara his self culpable diaranzon, for asesinato of stephany flores of 21 year of peru. the asesinato at peru did take lugar at 2010, exactly 5 year after of desaparicion of natalee holloway for of aruba, for cual van der sloot also was the sospechoso principal. “si my wanted declara my self culpable”. “for of first instant my wanted owing to confesa sinceramente”, past owing to tell corte. “di berdad i am lamenta thing owing to sosode y i am feel my self much malo”.

this according the dutch fast of one panel of 3 huez, kendenan owing to tell cu sentencia will is diabierna end.

van der sloot can achieve till cu 30 year of castigo for asesinato of the young peruvian, but the motibo for declara his self culpable is for look at if the can achieve one castigo less high.

van der sloot his advocate in corte owing to tell cu joran owing to kill stephany door of one trauma psicologico extremo.

the will owing to abide of all the circunstancia y hechonan relaciona cu the caso of desaparicion of natalee holloway for of aruba at 2005.

fiscalnan owing to exigi one castigo of 30 year for asesinato of first categoria, while cu defence of joran is boga but homicidio, of cual the castigo minimo is 5 year.

joran just after cu past owing to worde deteni owing to tell cu past owing to kill stephany door cu past owing to angry hour cu the child muher in laptop of joran owing to descubri the conexion of joran in desaparicion of natalee holoway. fiscalnan sinembargo owing to acusa the dutch of asesina stephany for can steal his coin for of dje.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2012, 02:38:28 AM
Let us keep in mind that none of us know who, or what exactly took Paulus out of the game of life.... ::MonkeyCool::...Coincidence? I think not! Urines life is ticking and tocking on a clock he has no control over. From reading a bit about history, politics, international relations, treaties, human rights, and many other things this past year or two, the one thing I've learned is that JUSTICE in cases such as Urines, take time................. ::MonkeyCool:: It will come when we least expect it...... ::MonkeyShovel::


JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED FOR ALL INVOLVED

URINE AND THE LEPRECHAUNS WILL MEET THEIR MAKER

AND NOT ON THEIR TIME


 ::monkeywine2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2012, 02:39:02 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-a-declara-su-mes-culpable-di-mata-stephany-flores/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01122012_Diario.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 12, 2012, 02:41:58 AM
I wanted to thank everyone for their pictures and links today.  I don't have much time to read and reading your comments helps.

Magnolia, I find it very ironic that Natalee's hearing to be declared dead is the day before the monster gets sentenced.


I do too, San.   The hearing is at 9:30AM, CST in the Jefferson County Courthouse, in Birmingham.
I think it is a sad day to declare Natalee dead for $2,000.

I do too.  Hopefully there is something behind all of this.

I think it's a legal move. If Natalee is declared dead, then it opens the possibility to go after Joran for her murder whereas no body no crime.


I really hope that is the case.   According to CBS 42 in Birmingham, Dave said that he is ready to put Natalee's
death behind him and move on with his life.  He also said that he wants to give Matt a $2000 college fund that he had for Natalee and he wanted to be able to quit paying her health insurance.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 12, 2012, 02:46:36 AM
I'm glad Beth will never forgive him, too - same as you CBB.  It would be fruitless.

Joran is incapable of accepting any 'gift'. Gift of forgiveness, sympathy, common sense, 3 Musketeer candy bars, etc.

He is a big dumb animal.

However, isn't interesting that even animals have more common sense than Joran?

Walking my chihuahua yesterday... after she finished her business, she did what she always does. She, in typical chihuahua ladylike fashion, kicked the dirt about 4-6 times to cover up the mess.

She never had to go to school for the knowledge. I never hired a doggie guru to come and teach her how. She just knows, it's a good idea. It's what you do. Being tidy makes sense to her.

Joran creates a mess everywhere he goes - with everything he touches. He is clueless. He couldn't clean up after himself, even if he tried.

He's been to school. He's been to prison, with endless chances handed to him for rehabilitation. Still nothing.

It will never change. He's an empty pit.

Rarely do I say another human being is worthless, I always try to find something to like, but with Joran, the effort is futile. Joran actually is devoid of all value.

My chihuahua has a brain about the size of my thumb. Joran has a brain roughly the size of a milk jug - as you can see, it is encased in his thick cro-magnon man sized head.

I guess it's true what they say; 'size is not important'


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2012, 02:59:16 AM
I'm sure Natalee would have been an awesome college student, IF she'd made it home from her HS graduation trip to Aruba...

And I don't see Joran getting "authorized leave" from prison either...they don't offer that for psychopaths.  They are considered a danger to their citizens.

jmo   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://issuu.com/themorningnews/docs/january_12__2012

The Morning News (Aruba)
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2012, 03:05:52 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/joran-por-fabor-basha-abao-pa-caba/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/joran.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2012, 03:09:04 AM
Good night all!   ::MonkeyCool::

Justice for Natalee and Stephany!   ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 12, 2012, 03:11:30 AM
Good night all!   ::MonkeyCool::

Justice for Natalee and Stephany!   ::justice2NJ::




good night texasmom.... and thanks for all the cool pictures! I always enjoy them. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 12, 2012, 03:40:11 AM
TICK TOCK


::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: thecuz on January 12, 2012, 05:49:55 AM
Woke in the middle of the night and could not quit reflecting back over the last 6 years! So where do I go for comfort? To my dear Scared Monkey friends! Been a long monks! Thanks for always being here and standing for Natalee and Stephany! Kind of fitting Joran is facing all of this alone...nobody to bail him out this time! Hoping for a at least a 20 year sentence!  Nite and love you guys!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Frijole on January 12, 2012, 07:20:36 AM
Good morning Cuz!  We never left the case.  Dude will never be free.  Look at him - he looks like crap.  Skin is awful - he looks like a much older man.  He smirks like the devil he is.  Those 3 women can't help but see it.  Bama justice standing by.  He will never have a life.  And he has earned this.  We are with you always Cuz.  Hugs, Bean


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 12, 2012, 08:19:06 AM
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2012/0112/Van-der-Sloot-plea-may-lead-Judge-to-declare-Natalee-Holloway-dead

Van der Sloot plea may lead Judge to declare Natalee Holloway dead
Van der Sloot accepted the Peruvian murder charges against him, Wednesday, which may allow a Judge in Alabama to declare Natalee Holloway dead based on the adjudication of Van der Sloot, the only suspect in her killing.
By PHILLIP RAWLS, Associated Press / January 12, 2012

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Jefferson County Probate Judge Alan King is hearing a request by Natalee Holloway's father to have her declared dead. Her mother originally objected, but will not contest a ruling Thursday, her attorney said.
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The father's attorney, Mark White, said no new evidence has emerged, and he will ask the judge to rule her dead.

"We intend to point out the fact that the person who we believe is responsible for this tragedy is now an adjudicated killer," White said Wednesday.
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Attorneys for the Holloway family said both of Natalee Holloway's parents plan to be in the Birmingham courtroom on Thursday.

Beth Holloway's attorney, John Q. Kelly, said, "Our thoughts and prayers are with the Flores family during these extraordinarily painful and public proceedings. We hope they find some measure of privacy, inner strength and peace as time goes by."

Kelly said that once van der Sloot is sentenced on Friday, he expect U.S. authorities to try to bring him to Alabama to face pending federal charges accusing him of extorting $25,000 from Beth Holloway to reveal the location of her body daughter's body in Aruba. Kelly went to Aruba for the revelation, but van der Sloot did not deliver.
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At a court hearing in September, Beth Holloway sent a lawyer to oppose her husband's efforts to have their daughter declared dead.

The attorney, Charlie DeBardelaben, said Wednesday evening she no longer objects and she understands the reasons her ex-husband wants a ruling. "She is ready to put an end to this chapter," he said.

At that court hearing, Dave Holloway's attorney said a court order declaring her dead would allow her father to use her $2,000 college fund for her younger brother and allow the father to stop paying hospital insurance for her.


I have mixed emotions concerning this--declaring her dead for just $2000.  But if Beth agrees to it then I will support her decision.  (can't help but feel Dave's current wifey is behind this--JMO)

 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 09:56:21 AM
Natalee death declaration in court today
Published: 5:49 am
Updated: 6:18 am


Birmingham, Ala (WIAT) Natalee Holloway will be the focus of another court case today as her father Dave tries to get a death declaration here in Birmingham.

Jefferson County Probate Judge Alan King ruled three months ago Dave Holloway had met the legal presumption of death for his daughter.   Although Beth Holloway opposed the motion at the time, she’s now willing to let the declaration go forward.

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http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Natalee-death-declaration-in-court-today/aFQEWVVnCU6zyX5lB5GDIw.cspx
 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 09:57:53 AM
Woke in the middle of the night and could not quit reflecting back over the last 6 years! So where do I go for comfort? To my dear Scared Monkey friends! Been a long monks! Thanks for always being here and standing for Natalee and Stephany! Kind of fitting Joran is facing all of this alone...nobody to bail him out this time! Hoping for a at least a 20 year sentence!  Nite and love you guys!

Hi cuz

 ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 10:08:08 AM
Beth Holloway opposes petition to declare Natalee dead
Posted: Sep 22, 2011 12:42 PM PDT
Updated: Sep 22, 2011 12:47 PM PDT


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"Beth gave birth to and raised Natalee, and will always hope and pray for Natalee's safe return. If Dave seeks closure on such a personal and sensitive matter, it should be respected, but not imposed upon Beth in such an adversarial and public manner," Kelly said

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http://www.wsfa.com/story/15526985/beth-holloway-opposes-petition-to-declare-natalee-dead



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 10:27:05 AM
Judge to rule today on Holloway death declaration
12:15 AM, Jan. 12, 2012


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At a court hearing in September, Beth Holloway sent a lawyer to oppose her husband's efforts to have their daughter declared dead.

The attorney, Charlie DeBardelaben, said Wednesday evening she no longer objects and she understands the reasons her ex-husband wants a ruling.

"She is ready to put an end to this chapter," he said.

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http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20120112/NEWS02/201120316/Judge-rule-today-Holloway-death-declaration


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on January 12, 2012, 10:34:15 AM
I was just reading Renee Gielen's facebook page. When I translate what she says I get,  "that he is responsible for the disappearance of Natalee, we all  believe". I thought she was one who said he didn't do it? Changing her story?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2012, 10:54:32 AM
Yesterday he pleaded guilty. "I'm sorry, I feel bad ...", said unconvincingly, after eligible for early termination of trial. Tomorrow Criminal Court sentenced him Friday.

Ernesto Guerrero L.

He had no alternative, incriminating evidence would have been useless to continue lying. Joran Van der Sloot accepted yesterday, in its entirety, the prosecutor's charge assigned to the murder of Peruvian student Stephany Flores Ramirez and asked the Collegiate 'B' of the Third Criminal Court in Jail Inmates eligible for early termination of the trial that follows for the horrendous crime committed in Lima on May 30, 2010.

"I'm sorry for what I did, I feel very bad ..." said 25-year Dutch fluent in Castilian, although during the first stage of not knowing the language said, seeking to annul the judges made the confession to the police for not having had a translator.

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The prosecution has asked for him 30 years of prison and payment of civil damages of 200 thousand dollars. Jose Luis Jimenez, Dutch lawyer explained that the law empowers judges 28,122 to reduce the penalty to a defendant who receives a sincere confession. "I received no more than 15 years," he said.

If this were the case, Van der Sloot may request parole in 2018, benefiting from prison benefits, according to other lawyers consulted.

The criminal Estremadoyro Enrique explained that the version of the defense attorney is not accurate. "If the Board considers the fiscal demand will remain unchanged. There is case law in this regard," he said recalling that the offender Hendelbert Dolphin Parra, a member of the band left the girl Romina quadriplegic Cornejo, also welcomed the confession sincere and sentenced to life imprisonment.

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http://www.larepublica.pe/12-01-2012/joran-van-der-sloot-pasaria-30-anos-en-prision-por-asesinar-stephany-flores


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2012, 10:57:35 AM
Joran Van der Sloot could get eight or ten years in prison
 For the crime of homicide, it is estimated that the Dutch will get 30 years in prison, but would enjoy the benefit of the two for one

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The early termination is a legal institution that can occur after the indictment. Is that the defendant accepts the charges, the penalty and civil damages. There is nothing to negotiate

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For the crime of homicide, it is estimated that Van der Sloot will receive 30 years in prison. However, you can then qualify for the benefit of two to one.

 This means that if I work 100 days I believe additional 50 days in jail.

 You can only ask for the benefit of parole when he turns one third of his sentence. That is, 8 or 10 years and could be free.

 It is very serious in a homicide case I get this kind of benefit, but it's the law.

 The honest confession has nothing to do with the foregone conclusion. This occurs before the prosecution and may reduce the penalty to a third.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1359948/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-podria-salir-ocho-diez-anos-prision


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2012, 10:59:38 AM
EnglishSpanishArabicThe Dutch press devotes a few lines to the trial of Van der Sloot
 The Dutch press today devotes little space to trial in Peru of Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch being processed by the May 2010 murder of 21 young Peruvian Stephany Flores.

 The newspaper "De Volkskrant" is limited to a small column publish information from agencies that include the conviction yesterday of the Dutch before the court.

 The newspaper "NRC Next" ventures into a more interpretive holder notes that the finding of guilt responds to "the hope of a normal life" in the future.

 "Joran van der Sloot has admitted killing Stephany Flores with the intention of receiving a lower sentence," picks up the newspaper said.

 The newspaper "De Telegraaf" only speaks of the trial of Van de Sloot in digital, while the newspaper "Dagblad Algemeene (AD)" is the only space devoted to the topic featured on the cover.

 The latter newspaper said in its inside pages the impression of "desperation" that yesterday gave the defendant in the courtroom trying him in Lima.

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http://noticias.terra.com.pe/internacional/la-prensa-holandesa-dedica-pocas-lineas-al-juicio-de-van-der-sloot,edad10bcf01d4310VgnVCM4000009bf154d0RCRD.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2012, 11:03:14 AM
Pleads guilty to avoid 30 years in prison

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KNOW

- The three drivers who covered up to Van der Sloot to leak away to Chile pleaded not guilty. For them, the prosecution has asked for five years in prison and payment of 10 000 suns.

- The public prosecutor had requested 30 years in prison for the Dutch and the payment of S/.200 thousand for the relatives of Stephany Flores.

- The European lawyer said he filed a habeas corpus because his statement to the police did not have an official translator. Neither worked in the Fourth Criminal Court because the translator had no credentials.

- The mother of Dutch had planned to come to Peru. She communicates via the Internet with your child's attorney.

- A few months ago, the alien filed a complaint with the Commission to annul the investigation into the murder of Stephany.

http://peru21.pe/2012/01/12/impresa/se-declara-culpable-evitar-30-anos-carcel-2007124


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2012, 11:06:18 AM
Is declared Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch Homicide card up his sleeve  VIDEO

http://www.24horas.com.pe/24horasc/locales/99211-joran-van-der-sloot-homicida-holandes-con-una-carta-bajo-la-manga


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2012, 11:10:07 AM
Joran aunt, American Mary Hammer, wants her money back. In total, she gave Joran $ 75,000 to bail out, but now no longer possible, she demands the entire amount.

 This report nu.nl. The doctor from Florida has thousands of dollars for months to Van der Sloot, his mother and his Peruvian lawyers made ​​in the hope that he could get bail. She also sent him stuff and a few visits in prison. Three weeks ago, Hamer would have submitted a request for reimbursement, but so far she had not returned her money.


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http://www.powned.tv/nieuws/buitenland/2012/01/jorans_suikertante_wil_geld_zi.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2012, 11:13:02 AM
"Aunt Sugar" Joran wants deposit back
 AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot got $ 75,000 from a U.S. to bail out. Now he no longer wants bail may be she wants her money back.
 Reported that RTL Boulevard Thursday morning on its website. "Sugar Aunt Mary Hammer want to return it to Van der Sloot's lawyer about it.

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It would also Van der Sloot's mother and his Peruvian lawyers are paid by Hamer.

 Hammer it payback would request three weeks ago did, but she still received no response.

http://www.nu.nl/achterklap/2713442/suikertante-joran-van-sloot-wil-borg-terug.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2012, 11:17:44 AM
Penalty Van der Sloot is probably not much lower

"Listen, we all know that a lot of traffic in the morning. This must be taken into account." Judge Victoria Montoya was visibly irritated when she Peraldo yesterday had to wait half an hour before the second session of the trial of Joran van der Sloot in the Lurigancho prison in Lima finally began.

Reason for the delay? File. The three Peruvian co-defendants of the Dutch were trapped in the hellish morning of Lima. The trio is accused Joran flight in 2010, having facilitated by him to the border in Chile, whilst he would have told them that he was "something terrible" had done.

Despite all traffic yesterday was the meeting quickly. As expected, said Van der Sloot, a nervous and depressed impression, agree to the full charge of premeditated murder of Stephany Flores in May 2010. Tomorrow the judges ruling

 ::snipping2::

The ball now lies with the three judges, who expected little from the required thirty years cell cuts. Peraldo Montoya, who presides the trial, has extensive experience in large business and is known as strict but fair. Taking its decision does not necessarily end the case, Joran mean, both parties can still appeal.

http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/4496/Buitenland/article/detail/3117130/2012/01/12/Straf-Van-der-Sloot-valt-vermoedelijk-niet-veel-lager-uit.dhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2012, 11:22:25 AM
Aunt Sugar Joran wants her money back
 Mary Hammer, the aunt of Joran van der Sloot, she wants $ 75,000 to Joran's lawyer made ​​his deposit to pay back.

  ::snipping2::

 That says John van den Heuvel on RTL Boulevard.

 Mary Hammer, a wealthy American doctor from Florida, has been making thousands of dollars over ten months to Joran, his mother Anita and his Peruvian lawyers Altez and Jimenez. Similarly, the $ 75,000, which was intended to help pay the deposit.

 Given the now no longer an issue that Joran was released on bail, Mary wants her money back happy. She did three weeks ago to tell Joran's lawyer Jimenez, but the best man has given no response to this request. For now it seems, then, that Mary could whistle for her money.

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlboulevard/crime/articleview/)/components/actueel/rtlboulevard/2012/01_januari/crime/suikertante_joran_stopt_met_financieren.xml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 12, 2012, 11:45:22 AM
TICK TOCK


::MonkeyCool::

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)  (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)  (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 01:01:03 PM
Natalee Holloway Death Hearing Today
Jan. 12, 2012


<snipped>

A court hearing in Birmingham this afternoon will determine whether Holloway, who has not been seen or heard from since she disappeared on an Aruba beach in 2005, is officially considered dead in the eyes of the law. Dave Holloway, the teen's father, claimed in the court papers that because there is no evidence Natalee is alive, the time has come to declare her legally dead.

Natalee's mother, however, opposes the court proceeding.

"Beth's position is she has no proof or indication that Natalee is still alive, but absent any proof or indication that she is dead, she always wants to hang onto that slight glimmer of hope," said Beth Holloway's attorney, John Q. Kelly. "No mother likes to, without evidence, have her daughter declared dead. She wants to carry around her around in her heart."

Kelly noted that the hearing today is likely a foregone conclusion, as the judge will ask to see any evidence that Natalee is still alive and, absent any, will declare her dead. She will either be declared dead today or after another formal waiting period, he said.

Neither he nor Holloway would attend the hearing, he said.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/News/judge-pronounce-natalee-holloway-dead-today/story?id=15346993



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 12, 2012, 01:20:21 PM
http://www2.alabamas13.com/news/2012/jan/12/natalee-holloway-death-declaration-hearing-ar-3032320/

Natalee Holloway death declaration hearing
By: Paris Jackson | Alabama's13.com
Published: January 12, 2012

 ::snipping2::

Thursday afternoon Birmingham Judge Alan King will decide whether to legally declare Holloway dead during a hearing.

Attorneys for Dave Holloway, Natalee's father, say he will be in attendance, as well as, her mother Beth Holloway.

The main suspect in her disappearance Joran Van der Sloot plead guilty Wednesday to killing another woman in Peru.

The hearing starts at 1:30 p.m.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 12, 2012, 01:25:38 PM
OWENS: You know, there`s a little known law that could possibly allow America to indict him for murder because Natalee Holloway was a United States citizen
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/11/ng.01.html
 The diving death near Australia is going to be prosecuted in Alabama.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 12, 2012, 01:38:27 PM
(http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/3248/crossw.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 12, 2012, 01:41:56 PM
I hope Beth is OK with Dave's decision to have Natalee declared dead. The news reports say she is, and if she's OK, then I'm Ok too, I suppose. I think the reason Dave is doing it are just what Magnolia said and no more......... Dave wants to stop paying her insurance and wants to access the money.

If Dave's actions cause Beth one little pang of more distress, then I'm not OK with it; not that it matters to anybody, but I wouldn't be pleased for anything on earth to hurt her further around anything Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 12, 2012, 01:46:52 PM
Aunt Sugar Joran wants her money back
 Mary Hammer, the aunt of Joran van der Sloot, she wants $ 75,000 to Joran's lawyer made ​​his deposit to pay back.

  ::snipping2::

 That says John van den Heuvel on RTL Boulevard.

 Mary Hammer, a wealthy American doctor from Florida, has been making thousands of dollars over ten months to Joran, his mother Anita and his Peruvian lawyers Altez and Jimenez. Similarly, the $ 75,000, which was intended to help pay the deposit.

 Given the now no longer an issue that Joran was released on bail, Mary wants her money back happy. She did three weeks ago to tell Joran's lawyer Jimenez, but the best man has given no response to this request. For now it seems, then, that Mary could whistle for her money.

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlboulevard/crime/articleview/)/components/actueel/rtlboulevard/2012/01_januari/crime/suikertante_joran_stopt_met_financieren.xml

 ::MonkeyWhistle::

A fool & her money,
 be soon at debate:
 which after with sorrow,
 repents her too late.


Whistle me a good one, honey! I love a good tune. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 12, 2012, 01:59:19 PM
I wonder how Aunt Sugar Sugar (Mary Hamer) feels now that her new Ghandi figure said - I did it and I feel very bad?

Joran is much like psycho zombie bait... keep him on television long enough, all of them come out of their hidey holes. :smt117


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2012, 02:19:21 PM
Van der Sloot would seek to serve their sentences in their country.

 Lima - For Urquizo Jose criminal lawyer, Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot, who yesterday pleaded guilty to the death of the young Stephany Flores (21) - seek to serve the sentence in their country, because in the Netherlands could benefit from other prison benefits that Peruvian law does not address.

 ::snipping2::

Van der Urquizo said Sllot should qualify for the benefit of the 2x1 in Peru, but "I think the approach of his defense that he intended to serve the sentence in their country of origin, because there could be eligible for other benefits, plus that way, Peru loses control of the case, which would be assumed by Dutch law ", said the lawyer in Capital Radio.

http://diariocorreo.pe/nota/62470/van-der-sloot-pretenderia-cumplir-condena-en-su-pais/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 12, 2012, 02:21:31 PM
 ::snipping2::

School at the trial presided over by Judge Teresa Montoya Victoria and composed Peraldo Otilia Gonzales and Martha Vargas Luisa Pilar Vilchez Carbonel, scheduled a public hearing in the courtroom of Lurigancho.

 It is noteworthy that again the president of the Chamber asked the accused if he wanted to hear what was said at the hearing, in their native language or English, to which the defendant said he agreed with listening and speaking Spanish, not it would seek to understand something translated.

 A Joran Van Der Sloot is charged with crimes against Life and Health Body - Against Murder and Heritage - Simple Larceny detriment of Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez requested 30 years of deprivation of liberty and the payment of 200 000 new soles to the legal heirs of the victim.

http://aeronoticias.com.pe/noticiero/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=23304:tercera-sala-penal-dictara-sentencia-a-joran-van-der-sloot-&catid=49:49


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 12, 2012, 02:33:36 PM
Van der Sloot would seek to serve their sentences in their country.

 Lima - For Urquizo Jose criminal lawyer, Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot, who yesterday pleaded guilty to the death of the young Stephany Flores (21) - seek to serve the sentence in their country, because in the Netherlands could benefit from other prison benefits that Peruvian law does not address.

 ::snipping2::

Van der Urquizo said Sllot should qualify for the benefit of the 2x1 in Peru, but "I think the approach of his defense that he intended to serve the sentence in their country of origin, because there could be eligible for other benefits, plus that way, Peru loses control of the case, which would be assumed by Dutch law ", said the lawyer in Capital Radio.

http://diariocorreo.pe/nota/62470/van-der-sloot-pretenderia-cumplir-condena-en-su-pais/


Joran brutally murdered a young Peruvian girl in her country.  He can very well serve his sentence in Peru.  I hope this will be the case.  Don't do the crime in Peru if you can't do the time-in Peru! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 12, 2012, 02:58:49 PM
 ::MonkeyWaa::

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/judge-hell-sign-order-declaring-natalee-holloway-teen-15348560

Judge Says He'll Sign Order Declaring Natalee Holloway, Teen Missing in Aruba, Legally Dead
 January 12, 2012 (AP)

Judge says he'll sign order declaring Natalee Holloway, teen missing in Aruba, legally dead


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 12, 2012, 03:02:57 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/breaking/story/Natalee-Holloway-declared-legally-dead/mvn7d2gnCECtFNLUxOJfXA.cspx

Natalee Holloway declared legally dead

Birmingham, AL (WIAT) CBS 42's Scott Packard reports that a Jefferson County judge has declared missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway legally dead, over 6 years after she disappeared in Aruba.

Natalee's father Dave Holloway asked the judge for this ruling, and attorneys for her mother Beth did not object.

The judge presiding said that this is a "sad occasion" and his heart goes out to the family.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 12, 2012, 03:05:20 PM
Please light a candle remembering Natalee and her family.  Since two were created, you may use one or both.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 03:08:37 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/breaking/story/Natalee-Holloway-declared-legally-dead/mvn7d2gnCECtFNLUxOJfXA.cspx

Natalee Holloway declared legally dead

Birmingham, AL (WIAT) CBS 42's Scott Packard reports that a Jefferson County judge has declared missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway legally dead, over 6 years after she disappeared in Aruba.

Natalee's father Dave Holloway asked the judge for this ruling, and attorneys for her mother Beth did not object.

The judge presiding said that this is a "sad occasion" and his heart goes out to the family.

 ::snipping2::


 ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 12, 2012, 03:09:14 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g9I-V80sIk3GkcPQ72lfCBinKGqw?docId=2e406bb32a1249d3a2f17731d83a0004
Judge to declare Natalee Holloway legally dead
By PHILLIP RAWLS, Associated Press – 8 minutes ago

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) — An Alabama judge says he'll sign an order declaring Natalee Holloway legally dead, more than six years after the teenager vanished on the Caribbean island of Aruba.

Judge Alan King announced that at a hearing Thursday requested by the teen's father, David Holloway. The father told the judge in September he believed his daughter had died and he wanted to stop paying her medical insurance and use her college fund for her brother.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 12, 2012, 03:09:55 PM
CARPE            LMAO at your AVY HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa omg


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 12, 2012, 03:10:21 PM
Please light a candle remembering Natalee and her family.  Since two were created, you may use one or both.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Muffy.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 03:30:01 PM
The Reward

Aruba case reward rises to $1 million
July 26, 2005


The mother of Natalee Holloway on Monday announced a reward of $1 million for the safe return of her 18-year-old daughter, who disappeared in Aruba nearly two months ago.

"We are just doing everything we possibly can in helping to further the search for Natalee," Beth Holloway Twitty told reporters in Aruba as she clutched a reward poster bearing her daughter's photograph.

She said "a group of friends" came forward to offer the additional money for the reward, which had been set at $200,000.

<snipped>

http://articles.cnn.com/2005-07-25/justice/aruba.missing_1_aruban-fbi-agents-natalee-holloway?_s=PM:LAW


The Threat

A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 197: There is apparently no amount of money in the world that can get us the answer to what happened to Natalee. When I asked an Aruban attorney about this, his response was chilling: “The threat is bigger than the money,” he says. The Threat. That dark influence. The evil that nothing and no one can pierce.


A Price to Pay

Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise
By Dave Holloway

Page 117:
I also find it hard to believe that with all of the press that Natalee’s disapppearance has attracted, there is not one person anywhere who knows what happened to her. I can only surmise that those who do know something are too afraid to come forward. Maybe there would be a price to pay if they tell, a price so high and so threatening that not even the $1,000,000 reward money is enough of an enticement for someone to bring us the truth.

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 12, 2012, 03:34:44 PM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20560770,00.html
Natalee Holloway Declared Legally Dead
By Tim Nudd and Jeff Truesdell
Thursday January 12, 2012 03:05 PM EST

Six and a half years after she vanished in Aruba, Natalee Holloway was declared legally dead Thursday by a judge in Alabama
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Titch on January 12, 2012, 03:35:28 PM
Time on here is very sporadic lately. Was coming here to give this same info that of course you awesome monkeys already have. Thinking of Natalee's family & loved ones. May peace be with them.

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 03:41:15 PM
(http://content.nos.nl/data/image/xxl/2012/01/11/329900.jpg)

Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom


I could be wrong but ... I suspect that Joran van der Sloot's utter lack of respect to the court on so many level on January 6th and today implies that his guilty plea was a given and Friday's outcome is a given ... a given arrived at prior to the prosecution handing down the charges two months ago that implied a maximum 30 year sentence ... a maximum 30 year sentence that in actuality translates into a much lighter sentence rather than charges that would have demanded a life sentence.

In other words ... Joran was not on a mission to impress the judges.  Why?

Janet



NANCY GRACE
Joran Pleads Guilty to Murder in Peru
Aired January 11, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: ... Van Der Sloot yawning and laughing in court. What about it, Jane?

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST, "ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL": Well, I think that this was all highly orchestrated and it was a big farce, and he knew exactly what was going to happen when he walked into court. And there was some kind of behind-the-scenes deal.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/11/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 03:58:30 PM
Time on here is very sporadic lately. Was coming here to give this same info that of course you awesome monkeys already have. Thinking of Natalee's family & loved ones. May peace be with them.

::MonkeyAngel::


Hi Titch

A very sad day indeed for Natalee Holloway's family and friends as well as those who have faithfully followed the case.  However ... considering that almost seven years have passed since Natalee's went missing and ... except words spewing from the the lips of a pathological liar ... there is no indication that she is alive ... the writing was on the wall.

Janet

++++++


This is the Truth - I Left Natalee at the Beach

Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 1
Published March 01, 2006
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186581,00.html

Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 2
Published March 03, 2006
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html

Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 3
Published March 06, 2006
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186880,00.html
 

This is the Truth - I Sold Natalee

Transcript:  Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html
 
Transcript:  Fallout From Joran van der Sloot's 'On the Record' Interview
Wednesday, November 26, 2008
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 04:07:41 PM
John Ludwick

NANCY GRACE
Joran Pleads Guilty to Murder in Peru
Aired January 11, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: So to you, John Ludwick, friend of Joran Van Der Sloot, he used powerful, almost super human force, to murder a defenseless woman. And you`re saying you hope for the best?

LUDWICK: It was a crime of passion, a heat of the moment type struggle, and you -- stuff happens so.

GRACE: What do you mean, stuff happens? He robbed her and took her money and then killed her so she wouldn`t be able to testify to it. That is what he told his lawyer. What`s heat of the moment?

LUDWICK: I believe it just still happened when she confronted him about being involved. It just -- it spiraled out of control.

GRACE: So you`re saying that what happened was just simply everything going out of control?

LUDWICK: Yes. She shouldn`t have confronted him the way she did. She should have left the room.

GRACE: You keep saying over and over that Stephany Tatiana, quote, "created a killer." How can a woman, a defenseless woman, create a killer out of a hulking Dutchman like Joran Van Der Sloot? Why does she create the killer? That`s what I want to hear from you, Ludwick.

LUDWICK: Well, she put herself in the situation, Nancy. As soon as she found out who he was, she should have left. She shouldn`t have started an argument and fighting with him. And be in an isolated area where -- you know --

GRACE: Why did she start an argument? All she did was say, even by his own words, hey, you`re the guy suspected with Natalee Holloway? How is that starting a fight, Ludwick?

LUDWICK: If I was a woman in -- I was in her situation, I surely wouldn`t have stood around asking him that question. I would have got out of there.

GRACE: OK. So John Ludwick, I am speaking now not as a lawyer but as a victim of violent crime myself, you`re saying that the murder victim who endured a brutal beating, a super human strangulation where her neck bone was actually crushed, the room covered in blood, her clothes ripped off of her post-mortem, and left that way to be found, it`s her fault?

Sir, you know what, cut his mic.

John Ludwick, I reserve this for very, very few people, but you, sir, are a fool and what you have said sets victims rights back maybe a couple of hundred years.

Take him off the screen. I don`t want to look at him anymore.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/11/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 04:15:05 PM
THE PERSISTENCE BETRAYAL

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 04:28:33 PM
Surely I Am Wrong

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


Irresponsible Investigating

private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


Additional Evidence for the Arubans to Destroy

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: pinkbanana on January 12, 2012, 04:45:38 PM
Praying for Beth and Family!

 ::MonkeyAngel::

 pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: snoopy on January 12, 2012, 05:06:28 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/breaking/story/Natalee-Holloway-declared-legally-dead/mvn7d2gnCECtFNLUxOJfXA.cspx

Natalee Holloway declared legally dead

Birmingham, AL (WIAT) CBS 42's Scott Packard reports that a Jefferson County judge has declared missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway legally dead, over 6 years after she disappeared in Aruba.

Natalee's father Dave Holloway asked the judge for this ruling, and attorneys for her mother Beth did not object.

The judge presiding said that this is a "sad occasion" and his heart goes out to the family.

 ::snipping2::


I know that Natalee is most likely gone, but to see these words just made me cry.  God Bless Natalee's family.  It never crossed my mind that Dave had to pay health insurance on Natalee all these years knowing that she was gone.  Can you imagine the pain month after month when he wrote that check out?  Wow.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Titch on January 12, 2012, 05:32:23 PM
8-10 is what I've stuck with since the arrest. I sincerely believe that he'll be out in no time, maybe 10. Never in my life have I wish somebody dead, like really to die a painful death & just leave this world. With Joran, I honestly wish the worst for him. I know Janet, I need to pray for forgiveness...but not yet. This world would be a much much much better place without him in it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Ono on January 12, 2012, 05:32:49 PM
Natalee Holloway's dad:  ' I've been preparing myself for this day for the last 6 1/2 years"
                             (slideshow and video)

blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/01/natalee_holloway.html


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Post by: Ono on January 12, 2012, 05:34:52 PM
Natalee Holloway's dad:  ' I've been preparing myself for this day for the last 6 1/2 years"
                             (slideshow and video)

blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/01/natalee_holloway.html

Just go to al.com and click :Birmingham      Great photos--Beth is so lovely.   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Titch on January 12, 2012, 05:46:53 PM
Natalee Holloway's dad:  ' I've been preparing myself for this day for the last 6 1/2 years"
                             (slideshow and video)

blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/01/natalee_holloway.html

Just go to al.com and click :Birmingham      Great photos--Beth is so lovely.   

Beautiful. I'm crying. Simply beautiful. Thank you for sharing, Ono.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 05:50:06 PM
8-10 is what I've stuck with since the arrest. I sincerely believe that he'll be out in no time, maybe 10. Never in my life have I wish somebody dead, like really to die a painful death & just leave this world. With Joran, I honestly wish the worst for him. I know Janet, I need to pray for forgiveness...but not yet. This world would be a much much much better place without him in it.

Titch

My sentiments exactly!!  I believe that thoughts reflecting anything less would be a betrayal to Stephany and Natalee.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 12, 2012, 06:01:06 PM
nSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot says he wants to give a sincere confession and feels regret for what he has done.

https://twitter.com/#!/InSession (https://twitter.com/#!/InSession)


HAHAHAHAHA.... impossible  ::MonkeyNoNo::  NOW WHERE IS NATALEE, you punk! Do you regret what you did to her?  ::MonkeyMad:: Where is a true confession for Natalee  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 12, 2012, 06:01:06 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/breaking/story/Natalee-Holloway-declared-legally-dead/mvn7d2gnCECtFNLUxOJfXA.cspx

Natalee Holloway declared legally dead

Birmingham, AL (WIAT) CBS 42's Scott Packard reports that a Jefferson County judge has declared missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway legally dead, over 6 years after she disappeared in Aruba.

Natalee's father Dave Holloway asked the judge for this ruling, and attorneys for her mother Beth did not object.

The judge presiding said that this is a "sad occasion" and his heart goes out to the family.

 ::snipping2::


I know that Natalee is most likely gone, but to see these words just made me cry.  God Bless Natalee's family.  It never crossed my mind that Dave had to pay health insurance on Natalee all these years knowing that she was gone.  Can you imagine the pain month after month when he wrote that check out?  Wow.

My heart is breaking for this family.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 06:03:00 PM
Over two thousand years ago there was a line drawn in the sand in regards to the issue of forgiveness.  Forgiveness is not freely afforded ... not even by God.  Genuine repentence is a condition.

1 John 1:9
IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness


I have no difficulty affording forgiveness to another who has wronged me … caused me grieve ... IF there is genuine repentence.  However ... without genuine repentance … I just have to work at letting it go ... giving the burden to my Heavenly Father along with all the other areas of my life for which I have no control and ... move on.  The hurt is ongoing but in time it does lessen.

In other words ... forgiveness and genuine repentance is a package deal.

Janet

++++++

Joran van der Sloot verdict: Natalee Holloway’s mother takes little comfort in courtroom admission he killed Stephany Flores
Published: Thursday, January 12 2012, 12:19 AM


<snipped>

Kelly said his client wants Van der Sloot to get the maximum prison sentence of 30 years when he is sentenced Friday.

“Obviously, she’d like to see him as miserable and suffering as much as possible in a jail somewhere for the immeasurable pain and misery he’s inflicted on her and her family,” Kelly said.

“She has not one iota of sympathy or forgiveness.”

<snipped>

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/natalee-holloway-mother-takes-comfort-joran-van-der-sloot-courtroom-admission-killed-stephany-flores-article-1.1004922#ixzz1jG9rpcFf


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 12, 2012, 06:05:19 PM
If anyone has PTSD its Beth.  I guess defense attys are the same the world over.  Blame the victims to get their clients off.

Yes, it is their job. A pathetic job at that.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 12, 2012, 06:10:43 PM
We all knew, but I feel sick in my tummy. RIP sweet Natalee, RIP. I still hope someday you will be brought home to rest and justice will be served, although unlikely, I can still hope.

From my local paper
http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/mainetoday-morningsentinel/guestbook.aspx?n=natalee-holloway&pid=155442249&cid=full


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 12, 2012, 06:43:31 PM
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/breaking-news/missing-american-teen-natalee-holloway-declared-legally-dead/story-e6freonf-1226243175243

Missing American teen Natalee Holloway declared legally dead

    From: NewsCore
    January 13, 2012 6:54AM

NATALEE Holloway, the Alabama teenager who vanished on a high school trip to the Caribbean island of Aruba in 2005, was declared legally dead today, just 24 hours after the chief suspect in her disappearance pleaded guilty to killing a young woman in Peru.

Jefferson County Probate Judge Alan King granted the request by Holloway's father to have his daughter, who was 18 when she disappeared, declared dead, WBRC-TV reported.

Holloway's body was never found.

The ruling came just one day after the prime suspect in the case, Dutch national Joran van der Sloot, pleaded guilty in a Peruvian court to killing 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room in 2010.

 ::snipping2::

This and the following story are making headlines in our newspapers today.  This report is presently number 10 in the "most popular" articles in the CM.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 12, 2012, 06:45:11 PM
http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/dutchman-very-sorry-for-murder/story-fn6ck55c-1226242231858

Dutchman 'very sorry' for murder

    From: NewsCore
    January 12, 2012 3:24AM

JORAN van der Sloot has pleaded guilty in a Peruvian court to killing a young woman in Lima in 2010.

Prosecutors are seeking 30 years in prison for the 24-year-old Dutchman, who is also the prime suspect in the disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005.

Wearing a light blue, untucked shirt and blue jeans, van der Sloot fidgeted and twiddled his thumbs as he waited for the start of the court session, which was delayed by his lawyer's late arrival.

"Yes, he said, standing at a microphone, "I want to accept the anticipated conclusion and as I was thinking from the first moment always to give my sincere confession," FOX News Channel reported.

"I am truly very sorry for what I have done. I feel very bad."

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 12, 2012, 06:47:16 PM
We all knew, but I feel sick in my tummy. RIP sweet Natalee, RIP. I still hope someday you will be brought home to rest and justice will be served, although unlikely, I can still hope.

From my local paper
http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/mainetoday-morningsentinel/guestbook.aspx?n=natalee-holloway&pid=155442249&cid=full

BBM   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you for the link, Nut44x4.  Many thoughtful entries for Natalee and her family.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Ono on January 12, 2012, 06:50:38 PM
Natalee Holloway's dad:  ' I've been preparing myself for this day for the last 6 1/2 years"
                             (slideshow and video)

blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/01/natalee_holloway.html

Just go to al.com and click :Birmingham      Great photos--Beth is so lovely.   

Beautiful. I'm crying. Simply beautiful. Thank you for sharing, Ono.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: cadillac on January 12, 2012, 06:51:53 PM
Is it possible now that Natalee is declared legally dead, that Beth and Dave can have him charged with her murder?  Does that make sense, as to what I am asking? It kind of goes against the " no body, no crime" mentality of Papa Sloot, now doesn't it?  If she is dead, then she was murdered and someone needs to be tried - don't ya think?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 12, 2012, 06:55:23 PM
Lest we not forget the beautiful song by Ericka Harvey

http://mysite.verizon.net/lls.fm1/natalee.mp3

Natalee
I know your out there, somewhere
I can feel your presence
Pulling me, closely
Now even more than ever
I promise, to find you
I will never stop until I do

Cause everytime my heart beats
I want to cry
And everytime I take a breath
I long for you by my side
Needing just to hold you if even for awhile
Someway, somehow….Natalee where are you now?

Lord can you hear me, calling
Seeking out your face
To see you, shine through
Every cold dark place
I pray for and wait for
You to take me in your sweet embrace

Chorus ...
Someway, somehow...Oh Lord stay here with me now!

Bridge:
Oh my precious child be still and know
I’m holding on to hope and I won’t let go
I need to have you here with me
This is my prayer…this is my plea

Chorus

Oh I need you with me now…………..


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 12, 2012, 06:56:43 PM



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/12/natalee-holloway-legally-dead_n_1202737.html?&ncid=webmail1


An Alabama judge has signed a declaration of death for missing teen Natalee Holloway, last seen almost seven years ago vacationing in Aruba.

Probate Judge Alan King made his decision public during a hearing in Birmingham late Thursday afternoon. The parents of Holloway, who were both present at the proceeding, have been at odds over the petition. Her father, Dave Holloway, filed it in September. His ex-wife, Beth Holloway, has been against it from the start.

In September, King ruled that Dave Holloway had met the legal presumption of death for his daughter. The decision was delayed to allow interested parties sufficient time to prove that Natalee Holloway was still alive. The father's attorney, Mark White, told the Associated Press Thursday that no new evidence had emerged.

"She was not able to, nor has she ever been able to, produce any evidence that Natalee was alive," Beth Holloway's attorney, John Q. Kelly, told People magazine. "Nor has there ever been any evidence produced that she was dead. Beth's position is that if there's that one sliver of hope that she can carry in her heart that Natalee might be alive somewhere, she wants to do that."

The couple divorced in 1993. Their daughter was 18 years old when she disappeared on May 30, 2005, while on a trip to Aruba to celebrate her high school graduation. Her body has never been found.

Dave Holloway's attorney, Karen Hennecy, said her client wanted his daughter declared dead so that his family could have closure. The father had also previously told ABC News that he wants to be able to use Natalee's $2,000 college fund to help her younger brother.

Alabama law requires a waiting period of five years before a person can be declared legally dead if his or her body has not been recovered and no death certificate has been issued.

 ::snipping2::  More at the link


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 12, 2012, 06:58:16 PM
Is it possible now that Natalee is declared legally dead, that Beth and Dave can have him charged with her murder?  Does that make sense, as to what I am asking? It kind of goes against the " no body, no crime" mentality of Papa Sloot, now doesn't it?  If she is dead, then she was murdered and someone needs to be tried - don't ya think?

Highly unlikely, IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 12, 2012, 06:58:51 PM
Lest we not forget the beautiful song by Ericka Harvey

http://mysite.verizon.net/lls.fm1/natalee.mp3

Natalee
I know your out there, somewhere
I can feel your presence
Pulling me, closely
Now even more than ever
I promise, to find you
I will never stop until I do

Cause everytime my heart beats
I want to cry
And everytime I take a breath
I long for you by my side
Needing just to hold you if even for awhile
Someway, somehow….Natalee where are you now?

Lord can you hear me, calling
Seeking out your face
To see you, shine through
Every cold dark place
I pray for and wait for
You to take me in your sweet embrace

Chorus ...
Someway, somehow...Oh Lord stay here with me now!

Bridge:
Oh my precious child be still and know
I’m holding on to hope and I won’t let go
I need to have you here with me
This is my prayer…this is my plea

Chorus

Oh I need you with me now…………..



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 12, 2012, 07:18:46 PM
http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-12-madre-de-natalee-holloway-comento-caso-van-der-sloot-noticia_440118.html

Google translation

Mother of Natalee Holloway case, Van der Sloot said
Thursday, January 12, 2012 | 1:15 pm

Beth Holloway showed some relief after learning that the Dutch citizen will not be free in Peru. However, do not lose hope that he be extradited to the U.S. for the murder of his daughter.

Beth Holloway, Natalee Holloway's mother, showed some relief after learning that the Dutch citizen Joran Van der Sloot admitted killing the young Peruvian Stephany Flores.

"This provides no resolution to the case of Natalee's disappearance," said John Q. Kelly, attorney for the family, the Daily News.

The lawyer said his sponsor is comfortable knowing that Van der Sloot will not be free in Peru, but still has hope that the U.S. Justice Department the extradition of Dutch.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 12, 2012, 07:32:57 PM
http://noticias.terra.com/eeuu/juez-firmara-orden-declararando-a-natalee-holloway-muerta,c981d2db893d4310VgnVCM20000099f154d0RCRD.html

Google translation

Judge said that Natalee Holloway is dead
January 12, 2012 • 3:33 PM • updated at 6:09 PM

An Alabama judge released at a hearing on Thursday signed an order declaring that Natalee Holloway dead, more than six years after the teenager disappeared in the Caribbean island of Aruba. According to family lawyer, the order has already been signed.
 ::snipping2::
Natalee Holloway disappeared on a graduation trip May 30, 2005, in Aruba. The last time you saw her, leaving a bar with Van der Sloot. His body was never found and the case generated much media attention worldwide.

When David asked the judge in September 2010 to declare her dead daughter, the girl's mother, Beth, objected. But this time, according to Beth's lawyer said the woman had no objection, but admitted to feeling 'sad' for the decision.

Mark White, David's lawyer, told the judge before he announced his decision, that there was no evidence that Natalee could be alive.

Beth's lawyer, John Kelly, said that once Van Der Sloot has the sentence of his trial in Peru, expects U.S. authorities to bring to Alabama to get face federal charges accusing him of extorting money from the mother Natalee. The Dutch have asked the woman $ 25,000 in exchange for revealing the whereabouts of the body of the girl.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 07:43:42 PM
http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/dutchman-very-sorry-for-murder/story-fn6ck55c-1226242231858

Dutchman 'very sorry' for murder

    From: NewsCore
    January 12, 2012 3:24AM

JORAN van der Sloot has pleaded guilty in a Peruvian court to killing a young woman in Lima in 2010.

Prosecutors are seeking 30 years in prison for the 24-year-old Dutchman, who is also the prime suspect in the disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005.

Wearing a light blue, untucked shirt and blue jeans, van der Sloot fidgeted and twiddled his thumbs as he waited for the start of the court session, which was delayed by his lawyer's late arrival.

"Yes, he said, standing at a microphone, "I want to accept the anticipated conclusion and as I was thinking from the first moment always to give my sincere confession," FOX News Channel reported.

"I am truly very sorry for what I have done. I feel very bad."

 ::snipping2::


(http://static1.ad.nl/static/photo/2012/14/9/9/20120111170055/media_l_1071519.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 12, 2012, 08:27:21 PM
http://www.kpic.com/news/national/Judge-declares-missing-teen-Natalee-Holloway-dead--137203768.html

Judge declares missing teen Natalee Holloway dead
Story Published: Jan 12, 2012 at 12:49 PM PST

 ::snipping2::

"We've been dealing with her death for the last six and a half years," he said.

He added that the judge's order closes one chapter in a long story, but added: "We've still got a long way to go to get justice.

Authorities have long worked from the assumption that the young woman was dead in Aruba, where the case was officially classified as a homicide investigation.

That investigation remains open, though there has been no recent activity, said Solicitor General Taco Stein, an official with the prosecutor's office on the Dutch Caribbean island.

"The team that was acting in that investigation still is functioning as a team and they get together whenever there is information or things are needed in the case or a new tip arrives," Stein said in a phone interview Thursday.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Serenity on January 12, 2012, 08:29:55 PM
Read that one of the reasons Dave wanted to declare her dead is so that he would not have to pay insurance on her anymore.Being in the medical billing field I am confused by this. When a person pays for their childs insurance it is the same for 1 child or 10.If he is paying for his son's insurance,then that amount paid would cover all the children in the family.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 12, 2012, 08:32:12 PM
I can't imagine how difficult this day must've been for Beth. 
 :smt009


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2012, 08:40:29 PM
Read that one of the reasons Dave wanted to declare her dead is so that he would not have to pay insurance on her anymore.Being in the medical billing field I am confused by this. When a person pays for their childs insurance it is the same for 1 child or 10.If he is paying for his son's insurance,then that amount paid would cover all the children in the family.

I agree.  That's why I'm thinking it had to be some kind of life insurance and not health. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 12, 2012, 08:45:49 PM
Read that one of the reasons Dave wanted to declare her dead is so that he would not have to pay insurance on her anymore.Being in the medical billing field I am confused by this. When a person pays for their childs insurance it is the same for 1 child or 10.If he is paying for his son's insurance,then that amount paid would cover all the children in the family.

I agree.  That's why I'm thinking it had to be some kind of life insurance and not health. 

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Serenity on January 12, 2012, 08:51:10 PM
Still breaks my heart.I can't imagine how Beth feels.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 12, 2012, 09:44:03 PM
Still breaks my heart.I can't imagine how Beth feels.

I saw a clip of her earlier tonight being followed by a throng of reporters who were asking how she feels about it. I think this is a quote of her answer, if not, it's close; "Natalee's Father felt this was something he needed to see through (pause) and it makes me sad."

Her demeanor was very strained and the last part of her answer was said haltingly.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 12, 2012, 09:53:36 PM
Picture from the clip I saw:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Bethhearing.jpg)

 ::snipping2::
Beth Holloway is pursued by reporters following a hearing in Birmingham, Ala.,Thursday, Jan. 12, 2012. An Alabama probate judge disclosed at the hearing that he will sign an order declaring Natalee Holloway dead
 ::snipping2::

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/beth-holloway-pursued-reporters-following-hearing-birmingham-ala-photo-014556806.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 12, 2012, 10:41:16 PM
CBB, snoopy, texasmom, tesfan, Frijole, Magnolia, MAca, Magic Eyes, San and 13 Guests are viewing this topic.

Group hug, guys.   ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: snoopy on January 12, 2012, 10:46:32 PM
{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}} to you too CBB.

I just can't believe it's been this long.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 12, 2012, 10:50:07 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/Natbird2.gif)


Justice will come for Natalee. The emptiness she left behind will never be filled.


(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/candle/candle2.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 12, 2012, 10:52:20 PM
{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}} to you too CBB.

I just can't believe it's been this long.

Me either, Snoopy.


Just have to say that I feel so honored to have passed this "vigil" with you wonderful and caring people.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 11:17:27 PM
Judge has declared Natalee Holloway legally dead
sted: Jan 12, 2012 4:03 AM PST
Updated: Jan 12, 2012 2:10 PM PST


<snipped>

FOX6 was told that Beth Holloway wouldn't address the media after today's hearing, but she did tell Jonathan Hardison, "Natalee's father wanted to see this through, and of course it makes me very sad."

<snipped>

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/16503840/judge-may-decide-on-declaring-natalee-holloway-legally-dead


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on January 12, 2012, 11:18:45 PM
http://www.myfoxal.com/story/16500148/uncertainty-about-van-der-sloots-extradition-to-us

Uncertainty about van der Sloot's extradition to U.S.

 ::snipping2::

"We're really at the mercy of the Peruvian government," said former federal Judge John Carroll, Dean of Samford's Cumberland Law School. "International extradition is based on treaties, and we have a treaty that was signed in 1901."

Carroll says that 1901 treaty lists specific charges that would allow prosecutors to extradite van der Sloot and wire fraud isn't one of them, that could make it even more difficult to bring van der Sloot here.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2012, 11:23:58 PM
CBB, snoopy, texasmom, tesfan, Frijole, Magnolia, MAca, Magic Eyes, San and 13 Guests are viewing this topic.

Group hug, guys.   ::MonkeyTears::

 
::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/GroupHug-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2012, 11:40:28 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/01/12/alabama-judge-decides-today-whether-natalee-holloway-will-be-declared-dead-aruba-remains-silent-provides-no-justice/#comments

 ::snipping2::

Steve Holloway on January 12th, 2012 10:48 am

Natalee passed on that night with Joran in Aruba. Can’t prove it in their courts, but in directly Joran said he did it on video tape and without checking or knowing if she was dead, dumped her at sea. That’s pretty clean to me.

After all these’s years it keeps coming back again and again, just when you are healing its starts up again and the wound opens once more. I’m all for this and I believe Natalee would have wanted it too. For everyone to come together and talk about her life and say goodbye. We will see her again in heaven. God bless


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 12, 2012, 11:46:55 PM
Picture from the clip I saw:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Bethhearing.jpg)

 ::snipping2::
Beth Holloway is pursued by reporters following a hearing in Birmingham, Ala.,Thursday, Jan. 12, 2012. An Alabama probate judge disclosed at the hearing that he will sign an order declaring Natalee Holloway dead
 ::snipping2::

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/beth-holloway-pursued-reporters-following-hearing-birmingham-ala-photo-014556806.html
This is just heart-breaking.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 12:23:20 AM
Woke in the middle of the night and could not quit reflecting back over the last 6 years! So where do I go for comfort? To my dear Scared Monkey friends! Been a long monks! Thanks for always being here and standing for Natalee and Stephany! Kind of fitting Joran is facing all of this alone...nobody to bail him out this time! Hoping for a at least a 20 year sentence!  Nite and love you guys!

So glad to see your post here cuz!   ::MonkeyCool:: 

We're here, not going anywhere.  Sad day today, but hopefully Stephany's family will see Justice in the morning, and I'm still hopeful that Justice for Natalee will come too eventually.  Seeing Joran alone and with no choice other than to finally admit (at least in part) to what he's done for once in his life has been good.  That would have never happened in Aruba.  It's truly sad that another young innocent girl had to die for the eyes of some to be opened to what this monster is really capable of.  Another family in indescribable pain, and he still mocks the court.  I hope all of those who have stood by Joran, promoted the lies to protect him and others, and only caused more pain for Natalee's family all these years; have at least lost a little sleep over this.  In was inevitable, and I can't help but believe many of them knew that.  jmo

     


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 13, 2012, 12:35:33 AM
 ::MonkeyMad::

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1360283/noticia-revelan-privilegios-joran-van-der-sloot-penal-castro-castro

Google translation

Privileges reveal Joran van der Sloot in Castro Castro prison
The confessed murderer of the young Stephany Flores has in his cell with access to Internet and mobile
Friday January 13, 2012 - 12:04 am

Joran van der Sloot, the confessed murderer of the young Stephany Flores, would enjoy more privileges in Castro Castro prison cell, such as Internet access, mobile phones and other common facilities that a defendant does not have.

The pictures on their cell taken by the same Dutch citizen show that has a 42 inch LCD TV, speakers and a Blu-ray player to watch movies in 3D, according to a report from the TV show "At Once".

They pointed out that would have a cell phone with Internet access to chat with friends through the account "Sidney Ewing" and in the emails you receive from your lawyer Luis Jimenez.

In an email from his lawyer, it is clear that the U.S. citizen Mary Hamer, benefactor of Van der Sloot, Jimenez asked to return the $ 74 000 for bail, after learning the outcome of the process. In addition, e-mails also show the contract to rent an apartment in the district of Magdalena, conducted by Van der Sloot from prison.   ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:55:11 AM
::MonkeyMad::

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1360283/noticia-revelan-privilegios-joran-van-der-sloot-penal-castro-castro

Google translation

Privileges reveal Joran van der Sloot in Castro Castro prison
The confessed murderer of the young Stephany Flores has in his cell with access to Internet and mobile
Friday January 13, 2012 - 12:04 am

Joran van der Sloot, the confessed murderer of the young Stephany Flores, would enjoy more privileges in Castro Castro prison cell, such as Internet access, mobile phones and other common facilities that a defendant does not have.

The pictures on their cell taken by the same Dutch citizen show that has a 42 inch LCD TV, speakers and a Blu-ray player to watch movies in 3D, according to a report from the TV show "At Once".

They pointed out that would have a cell phone with Internet access to chat with friends through the account "Sidney Ewing" and in the emails you receive from your lawyer Luis Jimenez.

In an email from his lawyer, it is clear that the U.S. citizen Mary Hamer, benefactor of Van der Sloot, Jimenez asked to return the $ 74 000 for bail, after learning the outcome of the process. In addition, e-mails also show the contract to rent an apartment in the district of Magdalena, conducted by Van der Sloot from prison.   ::snipping2::



I have to believe that Joran will be stripped of these perks after he is sentenced. Pre-trial, the world would be watching and waiting for his day in court and the Flores family, I'm sure, wanted him alive and well to face a guilty verdict. After the sentence, I honestly believe the Flores family will make their own arrangements more to thier own likings........... not Joran's.

It's my opinion that Joran will not come to America. I don't think Peru will give him up and I don't think he'll live long enough to be extradited after his sentence. His sentence ends with Joran dead. I'd bet a lot on that.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 13, 2012, 01:24:25 AM
::MonkeyMad::

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1360283/noticia-revelan-privilegios-joran-van-der-sloot-penal-castro-castro

Google translation

Privileges reveal Joran van der Sloot in Castro Castro prison
The confessed murderer of the young Stephany Flores has in his cell with access to Internet and mobile
Friday January 13, 2012 - 12:04 am

Joran van der Sloot, the confessed murderer of the young Stephany Flores, would enjoy more privileges in Castro Castro prison cell, such as Internet access, mobile phones and other common facilities that a defendant does not have.

The pictures on their cell taken by the same Dutch citizen show that has a 42 inch LCD TV, speakers and a Blu-ray player to watch movies in 3D, according to a report from the TV show "At Once".

They pointed out that would have a cell phone with Internet access to chat with friends through the account "Sidney Ewing" and in the emails you receive from your lawyer Luis Jimenez.

In an email from his lawyer, it is clear that the U.S. citizen Mary Hamer, benefactor of Van der Sloot, Jimenez asked to return the $ 74 000 for bail, after learning the outcome of the process. In addition, e-mails also show the contract to rent an apartment in the district of Magdalena, conducted by Van der Sloot from prison.   ::snipping2::



I have to believe that Joran will be stripped of these perks after he is sentenced. Pre-trial, the world would be watching and waiting for his day in court and the Flores family, I'm sure, wanted him alive and well to face a guilty verdict. After the sentence, I honestly believe the Flores family will make their own arrangements more to thier own likings........... not Joran's.

It's my opinion that Joran will not come to America. I don't think Peru will give him up and I don't think he'll live long enough to be extradited after his sentence. His sentence ends with Joran dead. I'd bet a lot on that.

BBM
You might be right; he was detained in prison awaiting his trial---but still...   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 01:31:53 AM
I'm with you grace-land, and would echo your "but still".    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 13, 2012, 01:32:54 AM
A YouTube of the TV show, "At Once," that showed his "toys" at Castro Castro.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZEclxcKEQc&feature=player_embedded

Uploaded by americatvweb on Jan 12, 2012



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 01:33:28 AM
Picture from the clip I saw:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Bethhearing.jpg)

 ::snipping2::
Beth Holloway is pursued by reporters following a hearing in Birmingham, Ala.,Thursday, Jan. 12, 2012. An Alabama probate judge disclosed at the hearing that he will sign an order declaring Natalee Holloway dead
 ::snipping2::

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/beth-holloway-pursued-reporters-following-hearing-birmingham-ala-photo-014556806.html
This is just heart-breaking.

Another picture. I can't find the video, but I'm sure it will surface:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/bethcourt2.jpg)

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/beth-holloway-center-pursued-reporters-following-hearing-birmingham-photo-012751933.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 01:35:51 AM
Why am I in the least bit surprised?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

About an hour ago...

http://www.facebook.com/LimboAruba?sk=wall

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01132012_Anita_MommieDearest.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 01:50:33 AM
CBB, did you see this link that Ono posted earlier today?

Not the video you're looking for, but pictures of Beth and Dave from the hearing.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/01/natalee_holloway.html

(http://media.al.com/birmingham-news/photo/2012/01/10440731-standard.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 13, 2012, 02:01:24 AM
A YouTube of the TV show, "At Once," that showed his "toys" at Castro Castro.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZEclxcKEQc&feature=player_embedded

Uploaded by americatvweb on Jan 12, 2012



Don't get too mad, grace. He's just enjoying for a brief moment what he will never get to see in real life again. imo   In a way - it's torture, he's just too stupid to know it. Which I find very funny. That twisted gene must have come from my father.  ::MonkeyTongue:: My humor, is a tad warped, and sometimes not well received.

The other thing I got tickled at in that video that you linked to, was the close up email from Aunt Sugar Sugar Mary Hamer begging for her 74,910.00 USD back.

JORAN

POR FAVOR DEVUELVA DE DINERO

PLEASE RETURN THE MONEY

Good luck on that, Mary. Your money is GONE LIKE THE WIND. I believe the younger generations refer to as 'getting pwned'?


 ::boxingjoran::

F DIS GUY!

Tomorrow, I hope he gets nailed with a sentence that will blow his mind. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 02:07:38 AM
(http://media.al.com/birmingham-news/photo/2012/01/-d49654b3e9f29db1.JPG)
Beth in court for Natalee being declared dead

(http://media.al.com/birmingham-news/photo/2012/01/10440731-standard.jpg]/img][img]http://media.al.com/birmingham-news/photo/2012/01/10440722-standard.jpg)
Dave in court to declare Natalee dead.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 02:08:17 AM

(http://media.al.com/birmingham-news/photo/2012/01/10440731-standard.jpg)

(http://media.al.com/birmingham-news/photo/2012/01/10440722-standard.jpg)
Dave in court to declare Natalee dead.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 02:10:06 AM
]quote]

Tomorrow, I hope he gets nailed with a sentence that will blow his mind. ::MonkeyHaHa::
[/quote]

Wouldn't that be funny Carpe.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 02:12:28 AM
CBB, did you see this link that Ono posted earlier today?

Not the video you're looking for, but pictures of Beth and Dave from the hearing.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/01/natalee_holloway.html

(http://media.al.com/birmingham-news/photo/2012/01/10440731-standard.jpg)

Thanks, TM! No, I missed it, so I appreciate the link!   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 02:18:00 AM
A YouTube of the TV show, "At Once," that showed his "toys" at Castro Castro.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZEclxcKEQc&feature=player_embedded

Uploaded by americatvweb on Jan 12, 2012



Don't get too mad, grace. He's just enjoying for a brief moment what he will never get to see in real life again. imo   In a way - it's torture, he's just too stupid to know it. Which I find very funny. That twisted gene must have come from my father.  ::MonkeyTongue:: My humor, is a tad warped, and sometimes not well received.

The other thing I got tickled at in that video that you linked to, was the close up email from Aunt Sugar Sugar Mary Hamer begging for her 74,910.00 USD back.

JORAN

POR FAVOR DEVUELVA DE DINERO

PLEASE RETURN THE MONEY

Good luck on that, Mary. Your money is GONE LIKE THE WIND. I believe the younger generations refer to as 'getting pwned'?


 ::boxingjoran::

F DIS GUY!

Tomorrow, I hope he gets nailed with a sentence that will blow his mind. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yeah, Carpe. If snickering over Mary loosing her money to her little lamb makes you twisted, scoot over and make room for me. I'm proud to be a twisted twin with you. Reading about that was the only involuntary grin I've had on this thread, but I'm hoping to actually laugh tomorrow at Joran's sentence!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 02:19:56 AM
]quote]

Tomorrow, I hope he gets nailed with a sentence that will blow his mind. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wouldn't that be funny Carpe.


[/quote]

Joran being nailed to anything seems like a good idea to me; the desk, the floor, I'm not picky.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 02:25:33 AM
Why am I in the least bit surprised?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

About an hour ago...

http://www.facebook.com/LimboAruba?sk=wall

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01132012_Anita_MommieDearest.jpg)

I can't say this often, but I'm just speechless. How does she celebrate the days he kills someone......... with a bloody mary? Geeez.......


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 13, 2012, 02:28:27 AM
 :smt049

I still heart both Beth and Dave. The way they handle themselves on the public stage is commendable. They have helped me in my own life through witnessing their leadership in action.

I doubt that I am the only one.

What happened to Natalee was a tragedy - but even in tragedy, Beth & Dave make a positive difference.

So, even though a piece of crap like Joran gets spit out into the world to try and destroy and demoralize people...

I thank God everyday, that he sends people like Beth, Dave, and everyone on this message board, to take wrong bend it back around again and turn it into right.

It keeps me going. ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 13, 2012, 02:30:36 AM
]quote]

Tomorrow, I hope he gets nailed with a sentence that will blow his mind. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wouldn't that be funny Carpe.


[/quote]

Kermit & CBB - ::MonkeyDance::

It would be!!! ...and it would be long overdue.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 02:34:31 AM
:smt049

I still heart both Beth and Dave. The way they handle themselves on the public stage is commendable. They have helped me in my own life through witnessing their leadership in action.

I doubt that I am the only one.

What happened to Natalee was a tragedy - but even in tragedy, Beth & Dave make a positive difference.

So, even though a piece of crap like Joran gets spit out into the world to try and destroy and demoralize people...

I thank God everyday, that he sends people like Beth, Dave, and everyone on this message board, to take wrong bend it back around again and turn it into right.

It keeps me going. ::MonkeyBike::

HEAR, HEAR!   :smt038 :smt041 :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 02:36:08 AM
A YouTube of the TV show, "At Once," that showed his "toys" at Castro Castro.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZEclxcKEQc&feature=player_embedded

Uploaded by americatvweb on Jan 12, 2012



Don't get too mad, grace. He's just enjoying for a brief moment what he will never get to see in real life again. imo   In a way - it's torture, he's just too stupid to know it. Which I find very funny. That twisted gene must have come from my father.  ::MonkeyTongue:: My humor, is a tad warped, and sometimes not well received.

The other thing I got tickled at in that video that you linked to, was the close up email from Aunt Sugar Sugar Mary Hamer begging for her 74,910.00 USD back.

JORAN

POR FAVOR DEVUELVA DE DINERO

PLEASE RETURN THE MONEY

Good luck on that, Mary. Your money is GONE LIKE THE WIND. I believe the younger generations refer to as 'getting pwned'?


 ::boxingjoran::

F DIS GUY!

Tomorrow, I hope he gets nailed with a sentence that will blow his mind. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yeah, Carpe. If snickering over Mary loosing her money to her little lamb makes you twisted, scoot over and make room for me. I'm proud to be a twisted twin with you. Reading about that was the only involuntary grin I've had on this thread, but I'm hoping to actually laugh tomorrow at Joran's sentence!   ::MonkeyWink::

Make room for me too!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 02:41:00 AM
]quote]

Tomorrow, I hope he gets nailed with a sentence that will blow his mind. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wouldn't that be funny Carpe.



Kermit & CBB - ::MonkeyDance::

It would be!!! ...and it would be long overdue.
[/quote]

Absolutely!   ::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 02:43:54 AM
OK, TM............ the twisted triplets it is! 


 ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike::   ( We're waving buh bye to Mary's Money )     :smt040


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 02:49:18 AM
HOT DIGGITY DOG! I just went to cut the coffee pot off and saw that the deck is white........... it's snowing! That means I can find an excuse to watch Joran's demise tomorrow at home uninterrupted!

It's in the morning, right?  ::MonkeyEek::

I can only delay the inevitable, not cancel it altogether!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 02:56:47 AM
I have to get to bed.  Have a wonderful night, Monkeys. God Bless and may smiling angels watch over you when you sleep!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Frijole on January 13, 2012, 07:09:56 AM
{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}} to you too CBB.

I just can't believe it's been this long.

Me either.. we were young things when this started.... Natalee would have graduated from college and maybe even be married by now.  It is time for some justice.  It is past time for justice.  Joran should not be allowed to smile.   ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 13, 2012, 07:10:11 AM
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2104377,00.html
Natalee Holloway Declared Legally Dead
By AP / Phillip Rawls Thursday, Jan. 12, 2012
 ::snipping2::
Dave Holloway said he hopes van der Sloot, who is awaiting sentencing, gets a 30-year prison term sought by Peruvian prosecutors.

"Everybody knows his personality. I believe he is beyond rehabilitation," Holloway said.

Attorneys said both parents expressed hope that van der Sloot's next stop is Birmingham, where he faces federal charges accusing him of extorting $25,000 from Beth Holloway to reveal the location of her daughter's body. Prosecutors said the money was paid, but nothing was disclosed about the missing woman's whereabouts.

"I expect to see him in Birmingham," Dave Holloway said Thursday.


I hope this happens.  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: can on January 13, 2012, 07:43:28 AM
Thoughts and prayers to Natalee's family.   ::MonkeyAngel:



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: can on January 13, 2012, 07:49:38 AM
May the Flores family find strength today as they bear witness to Joran's sentencing.

May the monster never smile again.   ::MonkeyMad::

R. I. P Stefany.   ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: can on January 13, 2012, 07:57:08 AM
Please light a candle remembering Natalee and her family.  Since two were created, you may use one or both.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Thank you Muffy!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 13, 2012, 08:29:47 AM
::MonkeyMad::

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1360283/noticia-revelan-privilegios-joran-van-der-sloot-penal-castro-castro

Google translation

Privileges reveal Joran van der Sloot in Castro Castro prison
The confessed murderer of the young Stephany Flores has in his cell with access to Internet and mobile
Friday January 13, 2012 - 12:04 am

Joran van der Sloot, the confessed murderer of the young Stephany Flores, would enjoy more privileges in Castro Castro prison cell, such as Internet access, mobile phones and other common facilities that a defendant does not have.

The pictures on their cell taken by the same Dutch citizen show that has a 42 inch LCD TV, speakers and a Blu-ray player to watch movies in 3D, according to a report from the TV show "At Once".

They pointed out that would have a cell phone with Internet access to chat with friends through the account "Sidney Ewing" and in the emails you receive from your lawyer Luis Jimenez.

In an email from his lawyer, it is clear that the U.S. citizen Mary Hamer, benefactor of Van der Sloot, Jimenez asked to return the $ 74 000 for bail, after learning the outcome of the process. In addition, e-mails also show the contract to rent an apartment in the district of Magdalena, conducted by Van der Sloot from prison.   ::snipping2::



This absolutely blows my mind!  HOW can they give a cold-blooded killer access to the internet?  You know he has been using it to talk to AnitaPig. 

Yesterday was a tuff day.  My heart broke for Beth and Dave (I can't help but be a little resentful of Dave for doing this but in my heart I know it had to have been so hard for him to do it).  Beth just lost Natalee again and I could see the hurt in her face.  Dave looked like he was about to cry as he was leaving the courthouse. 

NOW, let's get justice for Stephany today and hopefully he will get the max for this.

 ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 13, 2012, 09:28:02 AM
It looks like he didn't waste any time with that internet connection.

Extortion boy strikes again!

Mary is yammering about him given back roughly 74 - 75 thousand dollars, right?

The fine for Stephany's murder is 200,000 soles which comes to 74,294 usd according to today's Google currency calculator.

Joran will have the money... thanks a bunch, Mary. You really are saving the world. (sarc) ::MonkeyKiss::

UN.... believable!

I am pretty sure he won't be going free anytime soon, though. What... me worry? Never.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 09:55:51 AM
Morning Monkeys!

InSessions said Joran's due in court in about 10 minutes!

Anybody want to guess what the sentence will be?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 09:59:21 AM
Jinkasaurus: Joran will be there for sentencing. She doesn't believe Joran will have an opportunity to speak.

He's there........... in a green T-shirt. He's sitting next to the cab drivers who are charged with obstruction.

The sentencing should take about an hour.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 13, 2012, 10:01:08 AM
 Anna, blah, Puzzler, trimmonthelake, CBB, carpe noctem and 13 Guests ...Morning to all!

the beast is in the court room.....CBB, I hope he gets the maximum ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 10:03:29 AM
Can someone refresh my memory............ who is gwen over at RU ( I mean other than a putrid pile of steaming shyte). Is that Julia (redundant, I know)?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 10:07:26 AM
Me too, texasmom, me too!

From InSessions:
Cole (author of "Portrait of a Monster"): "I don't think Joran even knows where Natalee's body is, probably out at sea."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: antunym on January 13, 2012, 10:09:50 AM
I'm here with all of you to see this sentence go down for this POS  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 10:12:30 AM
Joran's first atty (according to Jinkasaurus): received volumes of psychological reports done for Joran throughout his life. His problems have been evident since childhood. The contents of those reports have not been revealed.


Way to go, Anita and Paulus. I seem to recall you both were quick to define him as an angelic sporter after Natalee went missing.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on January 13, 2012, 10:13:23 AM
Joran's expressing his stupid smirk!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 10:13:53 AM
I'm here with all of you to see this sentence go down for this POS  ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::  Great to see you, antunym!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: antunym on January 13, 2012, 10:16:45 AM
I'm here with all of you to see this sentence go down for this POS  ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::  Great to see you, antunym!!

Great to be seen. I been here everyday but just up in the rafters. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 13, 2012, 10:16:46 AM
Joran's expressing his stupid smirk!



Yes, he really looks pleased with himself. Other times, he's been closing his eyes and fighting off sleep.

Then sometimes he rocks himself back and forth... kind of like he's waiting on a bus. Like he is thinking,

hurry up and get here, already.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 13, 2012, 10:17:45 AM
Can someone refresh my memory............ who is gwen over at RU ( I mean other than a putrid pile of steaming shyte). Is that Julia (redundant, I know)?

IDK....I only remember her as glenda


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 13, 2012, 10:19:53 AM
Who are those 3 guys?

 ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on January 13, 2012, 10:21:53 AM
Who are those 3 guys?

 ::boxingjoran::

taxi drivers - that drove Joran out of Peru


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on January 13, 2012, 10:22:42 AM
Is Joran going to try to serve his time in Holland?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 10:24:06 AM
 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 13, 2012, 10:27:16 AM
Is Joran going to try to serve his time in Holland?

That ragamuffin is probably going to try ANYTHING he can.

I hope he is getting reamed, Peruvian style!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 13, 2012, 10:28:49 AM
That's one UGLEE MF'er!

 ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on January 13, 2012, 10:33:42 AM
He sure doesn't look like he's as young as he is!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 13, 2012, 10:33:53 AM
Good mornin'    ::boxingjoran::



 InSession In Session
Stephany Flores' father just arrived to the courthouse. Will he make a statement in court? Stay tuned! Sentencing should start soon.
4 minutes ago »
 InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot is returning to the courtroom.
7 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/InSession


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 10:35:29 AM
Something to read while we wait...

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reading-between-the-headlines/201201/the-twisted-mind-joran-van-der-sloot
The Twisted Mind Of Joran van der Sloot
Joran van der Sloot pleads guilty to murdering Flores. Why?
Published on January 11, 2012 by Dr. Dale Archer in Reading Between The (Head)Lines



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on January 13, 2012, 10:36:22 AM
Joran looks like he's going to cry! 

I hope so!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 10:42:20 AM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot is listening to his Dutch interpreter while the judge reads his sentence.
1 minute ago
In Session
InSession In Session
The panel of judges have entered court and the sentencing is underway. #JoranvanderSloot
8 minutes ago
Christi Paul
Christi_Paul Christi Paul
by InSession
Author cole thompson just told me an authority in peru said he believes flores was NOT VDS's 1st kill based on VDS's reax during questioning
9 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
Stephany Flores' father just arrived at the courthouse. Will he make a statement in court? Stay tuned! Sentencing should start soon.
13 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot is returning to the courtroom.
16 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
During the break: #JoranvanderSloot exited the courtroom to speak with his attorney.
25 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 13, 2012, 10:46:00 AM
He's having an Immodium moment.... hee hee


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on January 13, 2012, 10:46:17 AM
Joran's sweating!  hee hee


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 10:46:59 AM
Live Stream

http://video.foxnews.com/video-live-streaming.html?video_id=1155606982001


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 13, 2012, 10:48:24 AM
Another Live Stream with translation:

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream4&hpt=hp_t3#/video/cvplive/cvpstream3


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 13, 2012, 10:48:30 AM
Joran's sweating!  hee hee
He sure does.Acts like he is ready to have a come apart.  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 10:49:10 AM
Joran has to keep wiping the sweat off.  Sweats just like his old man did.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 10:50:47 AM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
The clerk is describing what happened the day of Stephany Flores' murder. #JoranvanderSloot
1 minute ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: AZSunny on January 13, 2012, 10:51:11 AM
Joran has to keep wiping the sweat off.  Sweats just like his old man did.

LOL,  you are right Muffy!  I think he is swaying because he is about to faint, or flash. He is not handling this well.   ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 10:57:00 AM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
The clerk says Stephany Flores struck #JoranvanderSloot after learning he was associated with the Natalee Holloway case.
22 seconds ago
In Session
InSession In Session
The clerk says #JoranvanderSloot removed his shirt and placed it over Stephany Flores' head.Then he cleaned the room, changed his clothes...
1 minute ago
In Session
InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot is constantly wiping his face and swaying while the clerk reads the details of the case.
5 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: AZSunny on January 13, 2012, 10:57:16 AM
Joran has to keep wiping the sweat off.  Sweats just like his old man did.

LOL,  you are right Muffy!  I think he is swaying because he is about to faint, or flash. He is not handling this well.   ::justice2NJ::

He is trying to hold back the tears.  SOB...hope is absorbing this for is brutal hellish behavior. he is probably just feeling sorry for himself.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Sdb on January 13, 2012, 10:58:15 AM
Please, please, please throw the book at him. I can not believe this has been over six years in the making. We've had so little justice, please let this be time for justice.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 10:58:23 AM
It is a pleasure to watch him so uncomfortable.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 10:58:51 AM
Joran has to keep wiping the sweat off.  Sweats just like his old man did.

LOL,  you are right Muffy!  I think he is swaying because he is about to faint, or flash. He is not handling this well.   ::justice2NJ::

He's not liking it too much from what I can see.  No smirk at the moment....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: AZSunny on January 13, 2012, 11:00:27 AM
Joran has to keep wiping the sweat off.  Sweats just like his old man did.

LOL,  you are right Muffy!  I think he is swaying because he is about to faint, or flash. He is not handling this well.   ::justice2NJ::

He's not liking it too much from what I can see.  No smirk at the moment....
and as you said, sweating like his father.  Hope Anita is enjoying watching her delicious sporter. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:00:51 AM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot took nearly $850 PEN or $315 in US currency from Stephany Flores after he killed her.
1 minute ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: nonesuche on January 13, 2012, 11:01:54 AM
Joran has to keep wiping the sweat off.  Sweats just like his old man did.

LOL,  you are right Muffy!  I think he is swaying because he is about to faint, or flash. He is not handling this well.   ::justice2NJ::

He's not liking it too much from what I can see.  No smirk at the moment....

About time he finally sweats !! Thanks for the updates MuffyBee, with work demands I can't keep up online or TV so much appreciated!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:03:25 AM
In this screen cap from the live feed, you can see the sweat coming through his tee shirt.

(http://i.imgur.com/rB1b9.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:06:21 AM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot is starting to sweat more as the clerk explains how Stephany Flores was discovered in the hotel room with blood,bruises...
2 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 11:10:51 AM
Joran has to keep wiping the sweat off.  Sweats just like his old man did.

LOL,  you are right Muffy!  I think he is swaying because he is about to faint, or flash. He is not handling this well.   ::justice2NJ::

He's not liking it too much from what I can see.  No smirk at the moment....
and as you said, sweating like his father.  Hope Anita is enjoying watching her delicious sporter. 

She was having rumshots last night. Maybe it's frozen daiquiris for sentencing day and bloody mary's for days he kills someone.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:11:08 AM
I was away on the phone for a couple minutes, but it looks like they let Sloot sit down.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:12:15 AM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
After getting permission from the judge to sit, #JoranvanderSloot starts to drink water. The court clerk continues...
1 minute ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 11:14:09 AM
Joran is really, really antsy. It reminds me of how he was before he threw the wine at Peter.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:15:30 AM
Joran is really, really antsy. It reminds me of how he was before he threw the wine at Peter.

Must be needing his "fix".  He's rubbing his elbows and arms and scratching around on his chest.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:16:59 AM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
The court clerk says Stephany Flores was discovered 2-3 days after her murder. This made the autopsy more difficult. #JoranvanderSloot
1 minute ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 11:17:15 AM
Joran going abruptly from closing eyes, licking lips, rubbing ears, neck, slightly nodding, working thumbs.

He's settled on closing eyes and blinking now.

He's a hot mess.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:17:54 AM
Is Joran nodding off?!!  He's keeping his eyes closed and his head is down a little.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:18:56 AM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
Court clerk: Stephany Flores was found with a skull fracture, severe bruising, signs of asphyxiation. #JoranvanderSloot
1 minute ago
In Session
InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot is hanging his head with his eyes closed...
2 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 11:19:00 AM
A body language expert would have a field day with this, but IMO, he is churning inside.    ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:20:03 AM
Joran then started scratching and rubbing the back of his neck.

My live feed is gone ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 11:20:42 AM
I hope he feels as trapped as Stephany felt!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 11:21:15 AM
Joran then started scratching and rubbing the back of his neck.

My live feed is gone ::MonkeyEek::

InSessions has it live, Muffy!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:22:53 AM
Joran then started scratching and rubbing the back of his neck.

My live feed is gone ::MonkeyEek::

InSessions has it live, Muffy!

Thanks CBB.  The live feed has resumed.  Back to guilty man sweating....   ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:23:46 AM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
The court clerk is describing the details around #JoranvanderSloot's guilty plea.
2 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:25:07 AM
We're seeing a lot of the top of Joran's big, fat head, because his head is down.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 11:25:22 AM
They're going through the defense's case now. Joran's sitting through this part sitting, leaning forward, head bowed toward his lap. 


(Maybe trying to kiss his arse goodbye?)   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:26:12 AM
Guilty, sweating sloot knocking back another slug of water.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 11:27:47 AM
We're seeing a lot of the top of Joran's big, fat head, because his head is down.

Yeah.......... he was wringing his hands from that position. He's sitting upright now.

You know, the lady going through all this and speaking is right next to him. I'd be worried to sit next to him during this. Just sayin'.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:27:53 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/YDLbr.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 11:29:12 AM
InSessions cut away!!!  ::MonkeyShocked::

GEEZ!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:29:48 AM
Another drink of water, and the sweaty, guilty sloot looks a little more attentive as the judges speak


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:31:34 AM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
The court clerk highlighted key points in #JoranvanderSloot's previous hearing, including the def. atty.'s claim that he suffered from PTSD.
1 minute ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 11:32:10 AM
Interesting how no one else in the room is sweating.  Mr Flores is in a suit and not sweating.  He needs to suck it up and get used to the heat as it will be a lot hotter where he is going eventually.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 11:34:11 AM
He licks his lips and rocks a lot. Joran has entered the gates of Hell.

FINALLY!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:36:03 AM
He licks his lips and rocks a lot. Joran has entered the gates of Hell.

FINALLY!!!

He's twisted around a couple of times, wiped at his face and etc.  Yep, he's just a bit uncomfortable.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 13, 2012, 11:37:32 AM
He licks his lips and rocks a lot. Joran has entered the gates of Hell.

FINALLY!!!

He's twisted around a couple of times, wiped at his face and etc.  Yep, he's just a bit uncomfortable.

Daddy dearest cannot save him this time.  Wonder how it feels?  He's helpless, just like Stephany and Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 11:37:44 AM
Please give him life.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 13, 2012, 11:38:29 AM
Oh, that one judge had her lips pursed while she was talking.  No good for the sporter.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:38:56 AM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
In Peru, the timeline of the case must be read in court and recorded. So far, the court clerk has read over 20 key points. #JoranvanderSloot
2 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:40:21 AM
Another screen cap from the live feed:

(http://i.imgur.com/hoI2Z.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 11:42:36 AM
It is sounding like his confession gamble is rolling him a pair of snake eyes right now.  Not sounding good for him.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: EURobert on January 13, 2012, 11:42:54 AM
Murder without motive? But his personality is m.o.l evil which will enlarge the penalty.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:43:23 AM
I just saw Stepany's Dad, Ricardo watching.  He turned away when the cameras caught him.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 11:44:09 AM
Oh, that one judge had her lips pursed while she was talking.  No good for the sporter.


YEP!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Joran2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:44:47 AM
I cannot imagine how this must be for the family of Stephany to be in the courtroom hearing all this.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I pray there will be justice for her and her family.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 11:45:22 AM
What's the matter, Joran? A little dry are you? He licks his lips a lot!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Joran1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:46:12 AM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
Some of Stephany Flores' family members are present in the courtroom. #JoranvanderSloot
1 minute ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 13, 2012, 11:46:21 AM
Oh, that one judge had her lips pursed while she was talking.  No good for the sporter.


YEP!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Joran2.jpg)

Thats the look, CBB.  She is not happy with him.  She is disgusted with him.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kimmy53 on January 13, 2012, 11:47:56 AM
I cannot listen to the proceedings, but I can watch.  I am glad to see the SOB sweating and figiting - I'd love to see the POS go bizerk and have to be tased.  There were a few times while he was standing that I thought he was going to.... I swear he had the look of Satan on his face.

I wonder if Mr. Floures will address the court. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:49:30 AM
Looks like a corrected tweet.  The family are outside the courtroom, not inside as was first tweeted.

http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
Some of Stephany Flores' family members are present outside the courtroom, including her father. #JoranvanderSloot
2 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:50:58 AM
I cannot listen to the proceedings, but I can watch.  I am glad to see the SOB sweating and figiting - I'd love to see the POS go bizerk and have to be tased.  There were a few times while he was standing that I thought he was going to.... I swear he had the look of Satan on his face.

I wonder if Mr. Flores will address the court. 


I don't know if Mr. Flores will address the court, but I believe it would be a very powerful statement if he did. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 11:52:06 AM
He's running out of things to fidget. Squeezing a zit?

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Joran4.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:52:08 AM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

HLNTV HLN News and Views
#JoranvanderSloot murder trial in pictures on.hln.tv/7DmW1W (http://on.hln.tv/7DmW1W) Follow @InSession for live updates on his sentencing
2 minutes ago
Retweeted by InSession
Ryan Smith
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#JoranvanderSloot judges says sentence. can't be greater than 30yrs
3 minutes ago
Retweeted by InSession


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 11:53:29 AM
They are going through the options for considerations the court can consider when sentencing.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 11:55:29 AM
I think they just threw out his PTSD BS his lawyer was spewing


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:55:55 AM
They are going through the options for considerations the court can consider when sentencing.

I wonder if they include allowing 42" flat screen tv's, blu ray and etc. in the cell?   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 11:56:23 AM
I think they just threw out his PTSD BS his lawyer was spewing

I hope so!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 11:58:06 AM
He sure perked up when they said the information they received from the police in Arooba


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 11:58:40 AM
An incomplete University Education? I'd forgotten he went to school for a little while.

The court is relaying that Joran is sane according to their examinations. No circumstances that would have prevented him from acting sanely.

Criminal background: Sent from Thailand: no criminal reports. Aruba: no criminal reports.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 11:59:18 AM
I think they just threw out his PTSD BS his lawyer was spewing

Yep!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:00:30 PM
I think they just threw out his PTSD BS his lawyer was spewing

Yep!

But, but who or what can he blame all this on?!!!  Himself.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:02:15 PM
Man, he's really wringing his hands!

Biting his nails, too.

Head in hands.

Ohhhhhhh, suffer you SOB!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:02:48 PM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
Court clerk: We are aware of the investigation that began in Aruba in 2005 into Natalee Holloway's disappearance. #JoranvanderSloot
51 seconds ago
In Session
InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot faces a max of 30 years in prison for Stephany Flores' murder. Stay with @InSession for live updates. hlntv.com/article/2012/0… (http://hlntv.com/article/2012/0…)
3 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:03:59 PM
Man, he's really wringing his hands!

Biting his nails, too.

Head in hands.

Ohhhhhhh, suffer you SOB!!

Blinking eyes rapidly


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: blah on January 13, 2012, 12:04:08 PM
Man, he's really wringing his hands!

Biting his nails, too.

Head in hands.

Ohhhhhhh, suffer you SOB!!


His arms are so pale the skin almost looks transparent - you can see his veins - very weird


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:05:01 PM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
Earlier the court clerk said a psych evaluation concluded #JoranvanderSloot lacks any major disorder that would separate him from reality.
51 seconds ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:05:20 PM
Man, he's really wringing his hands!

Biting his nails, too.

Head in hands.

Ohhhhhhh, suffer you SOB!!


His arms are so pale the skin almost looks transparent - you can see his veins - very weird

Hi Blah!
Makes me yearn to see a lethal injection.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 12:05:23 PM
Sounding like they are throwing out his sincere confession as he gave no details of his actions during the preliminary phase


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:06:13 PM

Man, he's really wringing his hands!

Biting his nails, too.

Head in hands.

Ohhhhhhh, suffer you SOB!!



His arms are so pale the skin almost looks transparent - you can see his veins - very weird

I guess his angel Mary Hamer didn't include a sun lamp in her care packages. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 12:07:18 PM
He now looks pizzed and is throwing the 3 judges death eyes


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: blah on January 13, 2012, 12:07:47 PM
Man, he's really wringing his hands!

Biting his nails, too.

Head in hands.

Ohhhhhhh, suffer you SOB!!


His arms are so pale the skin almost looks transparent - you can see his veins - very weird

Hi Blah!
Makes me yearn to see a lethal injection.

Hi CBB, yes that would be perfect


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 12:07:54 PM
Yup, sincere confession tossed out. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: AZSunny on January 13, 2012, 12:08:10 PM
look at his pasty arms and pot belly. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:08:20 PM
Sounding like they are throwing out his sincere confession as he gave no details of his actions during the preliminary phase

yep.

http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
Court clerk: #JoranvanderSloot's confession only has a relative or limited influence on the sentence.
1 minute ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 13, 2012, 12:08:41 PM
He now looks pizzed and is throwing the 3 judges death eyes
::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:08:49 PM
Sentence cannot be lowered due to the "sincere confession".

I think that's the court determination. Is that what they said?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:10:35 PM
Screen cap from the live feed.  He's slumping

(http://i.imgur.com/zxXNZ.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:12:15 PM
Sporter's beginning to "sport" Paulus's bald spot:


(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Joran6.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:12:32 PM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

ryansmithtv Ryan Smith
#JoranvanderSloot shaking head "no" as they discuss confession! He doesn't get it - show respect to the family, people judging your fate
4 minutes ago
Retweeted by InSession


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:15:49 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: CarolF on January 13, 2012, 12:15:53 PM
Does anyone have an online feed? Thanks in advance. The commercials are killing me on In Session!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: AZSunny on January 13, 2012, 12:17:06 PM
Does anyone have an online feed? Thanks in advance. The commercials are killing me on In Session!

Watching on fox newsfeed without commericals


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:17:08 PM
200,000 soles (sp?) Joran must pay to the closest reletive of his victim.

Joran told to stand.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:17:48 PM
live feed:

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream4&hpt=hp_t3#/video/cvplive/cvpstream3


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 13, 2012, 12:17:58 PM
Does anyone have an online feed? Thanks in advance. The commercials are killing me on In Session!
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream4&hpt=hp_t3#/video/cvplive/cvpstream3


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:18:00 PM
http://video.foxnews.com/video-live-streaming.html?video_id=1155606982001


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:19:18 PM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot is standing in court...
2 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:21:21 PM
Screen cap from live feed.

(http://i.imgur.com/YBZh9.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: EURobert on January 13, 2012, 12:21:47 PM
28 years!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:22:16 PM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot must pay 200,000 PEN or $74,000 in US currency for civil reparations to Stephany Flores’ family.
2 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:24:05 PM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot's sentence will end in June 10, 2038.
58 seconds ago
In Session
InSession In Session
BREAKING NEWS: #JoranvanderSloot sentenced to 28 years for the murder of Stephany Flores.
1 minute ago
In Session
InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot must pay 200,000 PEN or $74,000 in US currency for civil reparations to Stephany Flores’ family.
3 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: CarolF on January 13, 2012, 12:24:30 PM
TY all for live feed links! 26 years is great!  Would have liked life but this is so much better than 10 years!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:24:39 PM
28 years.

He keeps shaking his head "no".


UH.....................That would be a BIG YES, Joran!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: EURobert on January 13, 2012, 12:24:48 PM
28 years!

lessened with remand?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:25:12 PM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
After completing his sentence in 2038, #JoranvanderSloot must leave Peru.
1 minute ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:26:45 PM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot is now addressing the court.
1 minute ago
In Session
InSession In Session
After completing his sentence in 2038, #JoranvanderSloot must leave Peru.
2 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot's sentence will end in June 10, 2038.
4 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
BREAKING NEWS: #JoranvanderSloot sentenced to 28 years for the murder of Stephany Flores.
5 minutes ago
»
In Session
InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot must pay 200,000 PEN or $74,000 in US currency for civil reparations to Stephany Flores’ family.
6 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot is standing in court...
9 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:27:43 PM
June 10 2038 is his release date.

He won't make it that long.

If he does, the court imposed a mandatory expulsion from the country AFTER he serves the sentence.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:28:16 PM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
#JoranvanderSloot leaves court after being sentenced to 28 years for the murder of Stephany Flores!
1 minute ago

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:29:08 PM
TY all for live feed links! 26 years is great!  Would have liked life but this is so much better than 10 years!

It'll be life, IMO. He's not walking out. He'll be carried out.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: blah on January 13, 2012, 12:29:45 PM
I hope he leaves sooner and in a body bag


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:31:10 PM
Ricardo Flores addressing the media...........


They're making the point on InSessions that Joran looked about to cry when the court was discussing his charges; not when discussing the injuries and crime against Stephany.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: AZSunny on January 13, 2012, 12:31:42 PM
I hope he leaves sooner and in a body bag

I wonder if he will stay in his little protected area, or be moved to the general population.  I hope he is moved, like today! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: cookie on January 13, 2012, 12:32:09 PM
joran looked like he was gonna cry when he was walking back...wah wah... ::boxingjoran::
he also looked pizzed off...wonder why he is not in shackles..


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:32:18 PM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
Stephany Flores' family is now addressing the media. #JoranvanderSloot
2 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:33:00 PM
Ricardo Flores making the point that jail should be something to make you reflect, not a five star hotel.

I'm very sure............ very sure, that Joran's perks are coming to an abrupt END!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 13, 2012, 12:33:26 PM
Pleading "guilty" helped him--the 2 year reduction from 30 years.  Therefore, 28 year sentence.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:33:42 PM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
Stephany Flores' father thanks the media for the support they have given his family. #JoranvanderSloot
1 minute ago
In Session
InSession In Session
Stephany Flores' family is now addressing the media. #JoranvanderSloot
3 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:35:31 PM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)


InSession In Session
Ricardo Flores: Jail should be a time of reflection. #JoranvanderSloot
1 minute ago
In Session
InSession In Session
Stephany Flores' father thanks the media for the support they have given his family. #JoranvanderSloot
3 minutes ago
In Session
InSession In Session
Stephany Flores' family is now addressing the media. #JoranvanderSloot
5 minutes ago




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:35:59 PM
Joran, as the sentence comes down:


(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Joran8.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 13, 2012, 12:36:13 PM
Ricardo Flores making the point that jail should be something to make you reflect, not a five star hotel.

I'm very sure............ very sure, that Joran's perks are coming to an abrupt END!

 ::boxingjoran::  ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 12:36:48 PM
Joran van der Sloot sentenced to 28 years for murder of Peruvian woman
Published January 13, 2012


Joran van der Sloot has been sentenced to 28 years in prison after pleading guilty to the 2010 murder of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman he had met at a casino in Lima.

Van der Sloot was also fined roughly $74,000 by a three-judge panel in Lima for the murder that took place exactly five years to the day after the disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-to-be-sentenced-for-murder-peruvian-woman/?test=latestnews


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:37:06 PM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
Ricardo Flores:Hopes authorities,country makes reforms not b/c of this case, but for the sake of the whole country. #JoranvanderSloot
1 minute ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:38:02 PM
Ricardo Flores making the point that jail should be something to make you reflect, not a five star hotel.

I'm very sure............ very sure, that Joran's perks are coming to an abrupt END!

 ::boxingjoran::  ::justice2NJ::


 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 13, 2012, 12:39:20 PM
"Jail should not be a 5 star hotel." -Mr. Flores


Amen!

28 years!!!! Love it.

Joran folded his arms and totally shut down as that figure started to sink into his fat head.

The math was too much for him.  ::monkeydenied:: ::boxingjoran:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 12:39:42 PM
Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY: And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

<snipped

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 12:40:08 PM
 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:40:10 PM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
Ricardo Flores: Jail for #JoranvanderSloot is a life that is perhaps too easy of a life.
3 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: EURobert on January 13, 2012, 12:41:00 PM
Congratulations to you all!

I don't think his ego can take this; he'll probably kill himself (his last killing...). Or he will be killed.

Unfortunately there will never be a real closure for the family of Natalee; he will never tell where her body is; if Natalee would be found that would incriminate him even more.

But this is the end of the Urine van der Ditch-story... Hopefully



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:41:35 PM
"Jail should not be a 5 star hotel." -Mr. Flores


Amen!

28 years!!!! Love it.

Joran folded his arms and totally shut down as that figure started to sink into his fat head.

The math was too much for him.  ::monkeydenied:: ::boxingjoran:: ::justice2NJ::

Anita probably switched to long island tea on hearing that one. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:42:36 PM
Why am I in the least bit surprised?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

About an hour ago...

http://www.facebook.com/LimboAruba?sk=wall

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01132012_Anita_MommieDearest.jpg)

Bumping this up.  "Rumshop" indeed.    ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Puzzler on January 13, 2012, 12:43:10 PM
It's said that whatever the sentence is, doesn't mean that he won't necessarily be imprisoned for that long.

I say that 28 years is not enough for murder!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Ono on January 13, 2012, 12:44:12 PM
"Jail should not be a 5 star hotel." -Mr. Flores


Amen!

28 years!!!! Love it.

Joran folded his arms and totally shut down as that figure started to sink into his fat head.

The math was too much for him.  ::monkeydenied:: ::boxingjoran:: ::justice2NJ::

Anita probably switched to long island tea on hearing that one. 


She's prolly saying : "Joran ... Joran who ??? "


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Ono on January 13, 2012, 12:45:42 PM
It's said that whatever the sentence is, doesn't mean that he won't necessarily be imprisoned for that long.

I say that 28 years is not enough for murder!

Not long enough is right.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:45:45 PM
Congratulations to you all!

I don't think his ego can take this; he'll probably kill himself (his last killing...). Or he will be killed.

Unfortunately there will never be a real closure for the family of Natalee; he will never tell where her body is; if Natalee would be found that would incriminate him even more.

But this is the end of the Urine van der Ditch-story... Hopefully



We've got Stephany's trial behind us now, but there's still so much left in regard to justice for Natalee.  I hope you continue to stay with us EuRobert in the quest for justice.  There's more to come, imo.

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:47:14 PM
http://twitter.com/InSession (http://twitter.com/InSession)

InSession In Session
The prosecution held a presser after Ricardo Flores. They said they respect the decision of court. #JoranvanderSloot
5 minutes ago


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Sdb on January 13, 2012, 12:47:16 PM
It's said that whatever the sentence is, doesn't mean that he won't necessarily be imprisoned for that long.

I say that 28 years is not enough for murder!

Refresh my memory please. Why was life not on the table?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:47:38 PM
He can request to be released after 9 years (1/3 of sentence).

If he has good behavior and works, he can earn one day reduction of sentence for every 2 days of work.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 12:47:56 PM
(http://www.fncstatic.com/static/all/img/article/slideshow_397x224.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 13, 2012, 12:50:29 PM
Congratulations to you all!

I don't think his ego can take this; he'll probably kill himself (his last killing...). Or he will be killed.

Unfortunately there will never be a real closure for the family of Natalee; he will never tell where her body is; if Natalee would be found that would incriminate him even more.

But this is the end of the Urine van der Ditch-story... Hopefully



A big thank you to you EURobert... all the videos you uploaded... all of those lengthy translations. You were very giving of your time!

You give the Dutch a great name.

Joran being the ass that he is has nothing to do with being Dutch. A murderer is a murderer no matter which country he comes from.

Again, thank you for all the news transmitted from Holland. I hope you still hang out here when you can, friend.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:52:12 PM
Jinkasaurus was explaining that the Peruvian attitude is that the crime is outside the prison and the life inside is a new life of your own creating. If you have the money to buy things, etc. then you have them.

That doesn't exactly square with what I've heard about Peruvian prisons, but regardless of that, I suppose there are a lot of prisoners who would be pleased to take money toward their "inside" life to make Joran's "inside" life miserable!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 12:53:14 PM
Congratulations to you all!

I don't think his ego can take this; he'll probably kill himself (his last killing...). Or he will be killed.

Unfortunately there will never be a real closure for the family of Natalee; he will never tell where her body is; if Natalee would be found that would incriminate him even more.

But this is the end of the Urine van der Ditch-story... Hopefully



A big thank you to you EURobert... all the videos you uploaded... all of those lengthy translations. You were very giving of your time!

You give the Dutch a great name.

Joran being the ass that he is has nothing to do with being Dutch. A murderer is a murderer no matter which country he comes from.

Again, thank you for all the news transmitted from Holland. I hope you still hang out here when you can, friend.

 ::rhino::   ::justice2NJ::


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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 12:55:14 PM
AH! There was the video clip of Beth I saw last night! InSessions just played it!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: EURobert on January 13, 2012, 12:58:33 PM
Congratulations to you all!

I don't think his ego can take this; he'll probably kill himself (his last killing...). Or he will be killed.

Unfortunately there will never be a real closure for the family of Natalee; he will never tell where her body is; if Natalee would be found that would incriminate him even more.

But this is the end of the Urine van der Ditch-story... Hopefully



A big thank you to you EURobert... all the videos you uploaded... all of those lengthy translations. You were very giving of your time!

You give the Dutch a great name.

Joran being the ass that he is has nothing to do with being Dutch. A murderer is a murderer no matter which country he comes from.

Again, thank you for all the news transmitted from Holland. I hope you still hang out here when you can, friend.

 ::rhino::   ::justice2NJ::

Thank you all too. I can hardly stand in your shadows.., all your effort to keep eachother and me updated. I always felt very welcome here. Thanks again. Bye!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 01:00:06 PM
It's said that whatever the sentence is, doesn't mean that he won't necessarily be imprisoned for that long.

I say that 28 years is not enough for murder!

I agree.  Then when you consider Peru's liberal "reduction credits" ... the actual sentence will be much less.  However ... the realization that Joran will be held in a Peruvian lockup for the foreseeable future is a measure of justice for Stephany Flores.  At this moment in time "other" Stephanys and Natalees are not at risk.

Janet


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Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 01:01:55 PM
(http://cdn2.dailycaller.com/2012/01/dd03c08827d64728af3bb83e28ed4a2b.jpg)

THANK YOU PERU JUSTICE SYSTEM

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 01:02:59 PM
It's said that whatever the sentence is, doesn't mean that he won't necessarily be imprisoned for that long.

I say that 28 years is not enough for murder!

I agree.  Then when you consider Peru's liberal "reduction credits" ... the actual sentence will be much less.  However ... the realization that Joran will be held in a Peruvian lockup for the foreseeable future is a measure of justice for Stephany Flores.  At this moment in time "other" Stephanys and Natalees are not at risk.

Janet


Just remember sweet Alabama has nabs on him next!!!!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 01:06:47 PM
(http://www.rpp.com.pe/pict.php?a=1&g=8&c=n&p=multimedia.rpp.com.pe!files!]f|!fotos!actualidad!130112_joranvander!juciovander_slot007.jpg)

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-13-la-sentencia-a-joran-van-der-sloot-en-imagenes-foto_440464_7.html#swfplayer


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Ono on January 13, 2012, 01:07:11 PM
It's said that whatever the sentence is, doesn't mean that he won't necessarily be imprisoned for that long.

I say that 28 years is not enough for murder!

I agree.  Then when you consider Peru's liberal "reduction credits" ... the actual sentence will be much less.  However ... the realization that Joran will be held in a Peruvian lockup for the foreseeable future is a measure of justice for Stephany Flores.  At this moment in time "other" Stephanys and Natalees are not at risk.

Janet


Just remember sweet Alabama has nabs on him next!!!!




 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 01:11:34 PM
(http://s1.gva.be/ahimgpath/assets_img_gvl/2012/01/13/2119133/joran-van-der-sloot-28-jaar-naar-de-gevangenis-id2473151-460x0.jpg)

http://www.gva.be/nieuws/buitenland/aid1106696/joran-van-der-sloot-28-jaar-naar-de-gevangenis.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 01:11:44 PM
It's said that whatever the sentence is, doesn't mean that he won't necessarily be imprisoned for that long.

I say that 28 years is not enough for murder!

Refresh my memory please. Why was life not on the table?


My take is that the prosecution determined that the murder of Stephany Flores was not premeditated.  Premeditation would have implied a charged that carried a life sentence.

Janet

+++++

Prosecution Charges

Peru to beef up Joran van der Sloot charges
Published on 17 September 2011 - 3:38pm


At the first public hearing, on 12 September 2011, Mr Van der Sloot was charged with murder and robbery. The Public Prosecutor called for a 30-year jail sentence and damages of 50,000 euros.

The lawyer for the victim’s family said the charges should not be “murder followed by robbery” but “robbery followed by murder”, which carries a life sentence. He also rejected the 50,000 euro compensation as insufficient.

The judge hearing the case has instructed the Public Prosecutor to reformulate the charges, which will delay the trial.

<snipped>

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/peru-beef-joran-van-der-sloot-charges


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 01:14:06 PM
Screen cap I took from live feed after they had Joran stand up for his sentence reading:

(http://i.imgur.com/hmmQb.png)


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 01:14:50 PM
(http://s1.gva.be/ahimgpath/assets_img_gvl/2012/01/13/2119133/joran-van-der-sloot-28-jaar-naar-de-gevangenis-id2473151-460x0.jpg)

http://www.gva.be/nieuws/buitenland/aid1106696/joran-van-der-sloot-28-jaar-naar-de-gevangenis.aspx

Good Shot, Northern. That captures what I saw after the sentence came down!

Joran's not having a good day. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 01:15:03 PM
(http://data.rtl.nl/_internal/gridimage_v3!0/p9f74ea67gyor72mg9gut1kot3m7mwc/joranproces_800.jpg)

hours 6:31 p.m.
 The live blog has been closed.

 hours 6:26 p.m.
 The father of Stephany Flores gives a press conference. He says that an inquiry into the privileges that would have Joran in jail. "A prison is not a five star hotel".

 hours 6:21 p.m.
 Joran must leave the court. The judge later suspended for the case against the taxi drivers to continue.

 18:20
 Joran consults briefly with his lawyer.

 hours 6:18 p.m.
 Joran is immediately after serving his sentence deported to the Netherlands.

 hours 6:16 p.m.
 The sentence: 28 years in prison. He is due on June 10, 2038 Fri deduction of custody.

 hours 6:11 p.m.
 Joran to 200,000 soles (Peruvian currency) to pay compensation to the family of Stephany. That's more than 58,000 euros.

 hours 6:07 p.m.
 Joran Peru may be expelled if his sentence has been served, the clerk said.

 18:05
 Correspondent Nina Jurna:

 "Joran Confession can not lead to reduction of sentence, the court says"

 hours 5:58 p.m.
 The reading takes some eighteen hours.

 hours 5:52 p.m.
 It is obvious that Joran not really listen to what the interpreter says. Her translations are not very easy to follow.

 hours 5:46 p.m.
 The clerk said that reductions in the penalty legally possible.

 hours 5:44 p.m.
 It is at least a minimum of 15 years in prison.

 hours 5:43 p.m.
 The punishment is certainly not over 30 years, says the clerk.

 hours 5:40 p.m.
 Joran is now primarily looking at the ground.

 hours 5:37 p.m.
 The judges also keep in mind that Joran has a personality, and therefore easier to kill someone than others.

 hours 5:35 p.m.
 It seems that the judges find that Joran acted on impulse, and not premeditated.

 hours 5:33 p.m.
 The interpreter of Joran gradually gets difficult.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2012/01_januari/13/binnenland/liveblog-uitspraak-joran.xml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 01:16:10 PM
It's said that whatever the sentence is, doesn't mean that he won't necessarily be imprisoned for that long.

I say that 28 years is not enough for murder!

I agree.  Then when you consider Peru's liberal "reduction credits" ... the actual sentence will be much less.  However ... the realization that Joran will be held in a Peruvian lockup for the foreseeable future is a measure of justice for Stephany Flores.  At this moment in time "other" Stephanys and Natalees are not at risk.

Janet


Just remember sweet Alabama has nabs on him next!!!!



Ribbit!!

In 28 years ... I may be pushing up daisies but the event will cause my family to sit back and reflect on Mama's addiction to the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 01:16:39 PM
Screen cap I took from live feed after they had Joran stand up for his sentence reading:

(http://i.imgur.com/hmmQb.png)

Yeah, and he kept shaking his head "no" shortly after it was read.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 01:16:49 PM
(http://content.nos.nl/data/image/xxl/2012/01/13/330522.jpg)

http://nos.nl/artikel/330444-joran-van-der-sloot-krijgt-28-jaar-cel.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 13, 2012, 01:17:24 PM
Joran finally has a criminal record--murderer!  ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 01:19:54 PM
Screen cap I took from live feed after they had Joran stand up for his sentence reading:

(http://i.imgur.com/hmmQb.png)

Yeah, and he kept shaking his head "no" shortly after it was read.

He sure did.  Reality bites!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 01:20:12 PM
(http://static3.ad.nl/static/photo/2012/8/9/4/20120113165729/media_l_1074154.jpg)

(http://static1.ad.nl/static/photo/2012/6/0/7/20120113170227/media_l_1074247.jpg)

(http://static3.ad.nl/static/photo/2012/6/7/2/20120113164328/media_l_1074152.jpg)

(http://static2.ad.nl/static/photo/2012/16/13/4/20120113164215/media_l_1074124.jpg)

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3120242/2012/01/13/Liveblog-Buitenlander-Joran-moet-na-zijn-straf-Peru-uit.dhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 01:21:00 PM
(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/1931/joranmomentheheard28yea.jpg)
Joran's reaction the moment he heard he was sentenced to 28 years in a Peru prison


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 01:23:00 PM
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1931/joranmomentheheard28yea.jpg)
Joran began shaking his head back and forth NO NO as if in disbelief that he is being sentenced to 28 YEARS



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 01:26:26 PM
Joran finally has a criminal record--murderer!  ::justice2NJ::


MOORDENAAR - the dutchman Joran van der Sloot


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 01:26:57 PM
Some good images in this slideshow

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/nederland/2012/28-jaar-cel-voor-joran-van-der-sloot/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Curly on January 13, 2012, 01:27:08 PM
Does anyone think that he'll actually "work"?
I'm sure he'll request parole after 9 yrs., but work, I don't think so.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 01:29:00 PM

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/modlock4.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 01:30:27 PM
(http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00947/Van_der_Sloot_4_REU_947548i.jpg)

(http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00947/Van_der_Sloot_5_REU_947547i.jpg)

(http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00947/Van_der_Sloot_8_REU_947544i.jpg)

http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/11299916/__28_jaar_cel_voor_Joran__.html?sn=buitenland


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 13, 2012, 01:30:33 PM
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THANK YOU PERU JUSTICE SYSTEM

 ::justice2NJ::

Holy Moly Kermit you gotta issue a warning before you do that again...I nearly wet my pants!! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 01:30:35 PM
I can't help but wonder if Joran's mother, Anita had been there in the court room -  if the 3 women judges would have had some simpatico for Joran.
Anita going out to the bars in Aruba may have nailed Joran's coffin shut!!!!




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 01:31:04 PM
[
THANK YOU PERU JUSTICE SYSTEM

 ::justice2NJ::

Holy Moly Kermit you gotta issue a warning before you do that again...I nearly wet my pants!! ::MonkeyWink::

HA HA HA HA
 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 13, 2012, 01:38:50 PM
I can't help but wonder if Joran's mother, Anita had been there in the court room -  if the 3 women judges would have had some simpatico for Joran.
Anita going out to the bars in Aruba may have nailed Joran's coffin shut!!!!




I thought the same thing.....I have not kept up with her comings and goings....but I know she dropped the vandersloot name and seems to try to look younger.....she forgets this is a product of her and daddy o...the nut doesn't fall far from the tree!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Port Valerie on January 13, 2012, 01:38:59 PM
Great pictures. No stupid gang signs this time. Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 01:39:39 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1360472/noticia-van-der-sloot-fue-condenado-28-anos-carcel-crimen-stephany-flores

Video as they read the sentance and he shakes his head and says "No"


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 01:45:12 PM
(http://static2.volkskrant.nl/static/photo/2012/10/10/8/20120113172114/media_xl_1074308.jpg)

http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2686/Binnenland/article/detail/3120785/2012/01/13/Joran-van-der-Sloot-in-Peru-veroordeeld-tot-28-jaar-cel.dhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: pinkbanana on January 13, 2012, 01:49:52 PM
  ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::

 ::justice2NJ::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 01:50:16 PM
(http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/World/660/372/Joran%20van%20der%20Sloot%20head%20down.jpg)

(http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/World/660/371/Van%20der%20Sloot%20Sentencing%20Tears.jpg)

http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/world/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot/#slide=2


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: snoopy on January 13, 2012, 01:52:04 PM
Who will weep for you Joran when the bell tolls?  Heck they wouldn't even ring the bell.  You just ain't worth it.  Certainly no one will weep.  Heck ya own mama is at the bar drinkin. 

The thought of him working in order to reduce his sentance made me laugh out loud.  What a POS. 

Like I said before I hope he lives through that hell hole in order to be brought to Alabama.  Natalee's Sweet Home Alabama.

  ::MonkeyJustice::

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Port Valerie on January 13, 2012, 01:52:54 PM
Joran finally has a criminal record--murderer!  ::justice2NJ::


Yes. Truth.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: snoopy on January 13, 2012, 01:52:59 PM
Deepak and Satish you're next.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Port Valerie on January 13, 2012, 01:55:19 PM
I hope he doesn't get sent to Alabama for more legal procedures. At this point, he would appreciate the trip and more media coverage. Let him stay where he is and may the world forget his name.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on January 13, 2012, 02:08:20 PM
I've updated the case archive with sentencing pics.

I hope no one minds if I come back later to grab your pics from here too. TYVM for staying on this case so diligently and for the entire time.

Case Archive for Natalee and Stephany:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Natalee%20Holloway%20-Aruba%20---%20Stephany%20Flores%20-Peru/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: cadillac on January 13, 2012, 02:23:37 PM
Who will weep for you Joran when the bell tolls?  Heck they wouldn't even ring the bell.  You just ain't worth it.  Certainly no one will weep.  Heck ya own mama is at the bar drinkin. 

The thought of him working in order to reduce his sentance made me laugh out loud.  What a POS. 

Like I said before I hope he lives through that hell hole in order to be brought to Alabama.  Natalee's Sweet Home Alabama.

  ::MonkeyJustice::

 ::justice2NJ::
They just said on TV that he is working in his cell.  Uhhh...making rosaries.

Yes, that is what they said. A murderer making rosaries...I' ll get back to you on that one.

I hope I see the day he does come to Alabama to face the Holloway family.  I will report on that story as I plan to be there, if I am allowed.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 13, 2012, 02:30:45 PM
http://www.larepublica.pe/13-01-2012/padre-de-stephany-flores-expreso-su-malestar-por-privilegios-de-joran-van-der-sloot

Google translation

Friday, January 13, 2012 | 1:47 pm
Sentence would not comment on the Dutch.
Stephany Father Flores expressed his dissatisfaction with privileges Joran Van der Sloot

 ::snipping2::
 
"From the first day is being held have demanded excessive privileges had. One day he made ​​a seizure, he found a cell phone chip and even today has not been investigated," said something annoying employer.

Flores hopes that the authorities of the country, represented by President Ollanta Humala and the Ministry of Justice, made ​​a reform in the case of her daughter, but for the benefit of the country.

"It is pointless if a person is sentenced in jail is better than in the street. Has free food, comfort, money, has it all. A prison is not a five star hotel. I wish to take corrective measures in case us and in all cases in the country, "he said at a news conference.

He noted that his lawyers are about to conclude an investigation into illegal things and everything that happened during this legal process.
------------------

It's not over yet in my opinion.  It looks like the defense lawyers are planning to file an appeal--probably on the length of the sentence since he pleaded "guilty" on the charges.  We'll see.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 02:37:40 PM
I've updated the case archive with sentencing pics.

I hope no one minds if I come back later to grab your pics from here too. TYVM for staying on this case so diligently and for the entire time.

Case Archive for Natalee and Stephany:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Natalee%20Holloway%20-Aruba%20---%20Stephany%20Flores%20-Peru/

Thank you!  Help yourself to any images I've posted from screen caps.  ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2012, 02:44:09 PM
::MonkeyAngel::  ::justice2NJ::  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2012, 02:51:33 PM
I don't like that sometimes justice isn't doled out in the time frame I think it should, but I always have faith that our father understands that with every tick, and every tock, we always move closer to it. We must all keep in mind that the hands of the clock never stop. I'm going to ponder whether I will start to save money and begin sending Urine, Deepak, and Satish, my favorite little friend...THE CLOCK.. ::MonkeyShovel:: You can never stop the hands of father time.. ::MonkeyCool::

THE HANDS OF TIME AREN'T FINISHED YET,

URINE

DEEPAK

STATISH

ANITA


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 02:54:25 PM
I don't like that sometimes justice isn't doled out in the time frame I think it should, but I always have faith that our father understands that with every tick, and every tock, we always move closer to it. We must all keep in mind that the hands of the clock never stop. I'm going to ponder whether I will start to save money and begin sending Urine, Deepak, and Satish, my favorite little friend...THE CLOCK.. ::MonkeyShovel:: You can never stop the hands of father time.. ::MonkeyCool::

THE HANDS OF TIME AREN'T FINISHED YET,

URINE

DEEPAK

STATISH

ANITA




(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)
 
(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 13, 2012, 03:00:08 PM
http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-13-abogado-de-la-familia-flores-sentencia-a-van-der-sloot-fue-ejemplar-noticia_440500.html

Google translation

Flores family attorney: Van der Sloot Judgement was exemplary
Friday, January 13, 2012 | 1:59 pm

 ::snipping2::
Edward Alvarez, a lawyer for the family of Stephany Flores, the young woman murdered by Joran Van der Sloot, considered that the sentence of 28 years imprisonment imposed on the Dutch citizen has been exemplary.

"You can not change the Supreme neither crime nor punishment, and Mr. Flores acknowledged the work of Room B, which has been an exemplary sentence, a process premunity all warranties," he told RPP Noticias.

"Mr. (Richard) Flowers accepts the decision (the decision) and, for him, reparation is something that is of interest, always said so," added the lawyer.

Alvarez said that the conviction against Van der Sloot was "within the framework of the predictable," given that the prosecution was 30 years.

"Now we would have liked this to be life imprisonment, but this happens for the prosecution, which was to blame for robbery followed by death and not murder," he said.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2012, 03:03:03 PM
The result of Aruba covering up the murder of Natalee is this.  Stephany murdered and Joran 28 years in a Peruvian prison.   Is that the cost of protecting tourism?

(http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/0/0/vandersloot28years_20120113_124315.jpg)

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-to-be-sentenced-for-murder-peruvian-woman/?test=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-to-be-sentenced-for-murder-peruvian-woman/?test=latestnews)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 13, 2012, 03:05:12 PM
I wonder how long Juran will spend in that mountainous Peruvian prison before he starts begging to be sent to the US for trial.  Who knows, he may even confess to Natalie's murder and tell authorities where to find her.  Would that not be rich? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 13, 2012, 03:05:26 PM
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THANK YOU PERU JUSTICE SYSTEM

 ::justice2NJ::

Holy Moly Kermit you gotta issue a warning before you do that again...I nearly wet my pants!! ::MonkeyWink::

Yup!!

Same here!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: cecilita on January 13, 2012, 03:08:49 PM
 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 03:11:45 PM
I've updated the case archive with sentencing pics.

I hope no one minds if I come back later to grab your pics from here too. TYVM for staying on this case so diligently and for the entire time.

Case Archive for Natalee and Stephany:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Natalee%20Holloway%20-Aruba%20---%20Stephany%20Flores%20-Peru/

Thank you!  Help yourself to any images I've posted from screen caps.  ::bee::

Ditto for my screen caps!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2012, 03:12:25 PM
The result of Aruba covering up the murder of Natalee is this.  Stephany murdered and Joran 28 years in a Peruvian prison.   Is that the cost of protecting tourism?

(http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/0/0/vandersloot28years_20120113_124315.jpg)

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-to-be-sentenced-for-murder-peruvian-woman/?test=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-to-be-sentenced-for-murder-peruvian-woman/?test=latestnews)

Natalee wasn't the first to perish on DANGER ISLAND,  and she won't be the last. It has been documented by many Monkey's that Aruba puts absolutely no value on human life. That outpost is a cesspool for drug trafficking, human trafficking, money laundering, and offshore banking. Again, it is a cesspool, and why anybody would want to go there at this point is beyond me. You go there, and you get what's coming to you becuase it is NOT A SAFE PLACE!!
Edit to change color red to navy.  MB


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 13, 2012, 03:12:52 PM
http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=10884

court sentences Joran van der Sloot to 28 years
Posted by Aruba Daily on January 13th, 2012

A Peruvian court on Friday sentenced Joran van der Sloot to 28 years in prison for murder of a young woman he met at a Lima casino, even as the family of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway sought to have him prosecuted in the U.S. over her disappearance in 2005. The decision comes two days after the young Dutchman pleaded guilty to killing Stephany Flores, a 21-year-old business student. The court also ordered him to pay $75,000 in reparations to the family of the 21-year-old victim. He said he reserves the right to appeal the conviction and sentence, the first ever imposed on him despite prosecutors’ repeated efforts to prove he was involved in Holloway’s apparent death on the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 13, 2012, 03:14:37 PM
The result of Aruba covering up the murder of Natalee is this.  Stephany murdered and Joran 28 years in a Peruvian prison.   Is that the cost of protecting tourism?

(http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/0/0/vandersloot28years_20120113_124315.jpg)

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-to-be-sentenced-for-murder-peruvian-woman/?test=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-to-be-sentenced-for-murder-peruvian-woman/?test=latestnews)


EXACTLY!! 
  Worth repeating, Klaas: Is that the cost of protecting tourism??


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 13, 2012, 03:14:45 PM
I wonder how long Juran will spend in that mountainous Peruvian prison before he starts begging to be sent to the US for trial.  Who knows, he may even confess to Natalie's murder and tell authorities where to find her.  Would that not be rich? 

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Grey on January 13, 2012, 03:17:15 PM
Sheesh! With all the noise coming from this cage, one would think there's a party going on!

 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::

That's 28 monkey cheers for the sentence of 28 years!

 ::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: grace-land on January 13, 2012, 03:20:31 PM
::monkeywine2::

  ::monkeywine2::   ::justice2NJ::   ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: cecilita on January 13, 2012, 03:25:43 PM
well I was expecting to see the monster crying!! anyway he will do it alone in his 2 x 2 meter cell hahahahhahahah. Now her crazy supporter should find a part time job in order to support this monster in jail for at least 15 years hahahah


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 03:30:03 PM
I don't remember if I posted this screen cap or not. 

(http://i.imgur.com/y1394.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 03:38:07 PM
I don't like that sometimes justice isn't doled out in the time frame I think it should, but I always have faith that our father understands that with every tick, and every tock, we always move closer to it. We must all keep in mind that the hands of the clock never stop. I'm going to ponder whether I will start to save money and begin sending Urine, Deepak, and Satish, my favorite little friend...THE CLOCK.. ::MonkeyShovel:: You can never stop the hands of father time.. ::MonkeyCool::

THE HANDS OF TIME AREN'T FINISHED YET,

URINE

DEEPAK

STATISH

ANITA



ExpartExtD court records state:

Arlene Ellis-Shipper will be deposed again on Jan. 12, 2012 10 am at Hyatt Hotel in Aruba.


WE WANT NATALEE RETURNED TO THE USA!!!!!!!!!!!!


tick tock





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2012, 03:43:41 PM
The face of Aruba

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/FaceofArubaJoran.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Blonde on January 13, 2012, 04:04:37 PM
(http://cdn2.dailycaller.com/2012/01/dd03c08827d64728af3bb83e28ed4a2b.jpg)

THANK YOU PERU JUSTICE SYSTEM

 ::justice2NJ::

It's a good day ..too bad Aruba didn't give Natalee Justice


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Blonde on January 13, 2012, 04:20:27 PM
(http://www.rpp.com.pe/pict.php?a=1&g=8&c=n&p=multimedia.rpp.com.pe!files!]f|!fotos!actualidad!130112_joranvander!juciovander_slot007.jpg)

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-13-la-sentencia-a-joran-van-der-sloot-en-imagenes-foto_440464_7.html#swfplayer

He  Looks like he on Heroin


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Blonde on January 13, 2012, 04:22:14 PM
(http://static3.ad.nl/static/photo/2012/8/9/4/20120113165729/media_l_1074154.jpg)

(http://static1.ad.nl/static/photo/2012/6/0/7/20120113170227/media_l_1074247.jpg)

(http://static3.ad.nl/static/photo/2012/6/7/2/20120113164328/media_l_1074152.jpg)

(http://static2.ad.nl/static/photo/2012/16/13/4/20120113164215/media_l_1074124.jpg)

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3120242/2012/01/13/Liveblog-Buitenlander-Joran-moet-na-zijn-straf-Peru-uit.dhtml


I love this
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 13, 2012, 04:23:40 PM
I don't like that sometimes justice isn't doled out in the time frame I think it should, but I always have faith that our father understands that with every tick, and every tock, we always move closer to it. We must all keep in mind that the hands of the clock never stop. I'm going to ponder whether I will start to save money and begin sending Urine, Deepak, and Satish, my favorite little friend...THE CLOCK.. ::MonkeyShovel:: You can never stop the hands of father time.. ::MonkeyCool::

THE HANDS OF TIME AREN'T FINISHED YET,

URINE

DEEPAK

STATISH

ANITA



ExpartExtD court records state:

Arlene Ellis-Shipper will be deposed again on Jan. 12, 2012 10 am at Hyatt Hotel in Aruba.


WE WANT NATALEE RETURNED TO THE USA!!!!!!!!!!!!


tick tock





Thanks Kermit. I would love to be present watching her attempt to wiggle around the questions. That would be better than Disneyland in my opinion. I'm slowly developing a keen eye towards public and foreign policy.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Blonde on January 13, 2012, 04:25:39 PM
(http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/World/660/372/Joran%20van%20der%20Sloot%20head%20down.jpg)

(http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/World/660/371/Van%20der%20Sloot%20Sentencing%20Tears.jpg)

http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/world/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot/#slide=2
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 04:38:28 PM
I don't like that sometimes justice isn't doled out in the time frame I think it should, but I always have faith that our father understands that with every tick, and every tock, we always move closer to it. We must all keep in mind that the hands of the clock never stop. I'm going to ponder whether I will start to save money and begin sending Urine, Deepak, and Satish, my favorite little friend...THE CLOCK.. ::MonkeyShovel:: You can never stop the hands of father time.. ::MonkeyCool::

THE HANDS OF TIME AREN'T FINISHED YET,

URINE

DEEPAK

STATISH

ANITA



ExpartExtD court records state:

Arlene Ellis-Shipper will be deposed again on Jan. 12, 2012 10 am at Hyatt Hotel in Aruba.


WE WANT NATALEE RETURNED TO THE USA!!!!!!!!!!!!


tick tock





Thanks Kermit. I would love to be present watching her attempt to wiggle around the questions. That would be better than Disneyland in my opinion. I'm slowly developing a keen eye towards public and foreign policy.  ::MonkeyCool::

me too.
remember this:

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Well how about a bit of proof that particular Swiss bank is participating with our IRS?     

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Rich Americans who have evaded taxes by hiding their foreign holdings have about a week to decide whether to turn themselves in to an Internal Revenue Service amnesty program or gamble that they will not be caught.

<snip>
Lawyers say their clients include UBS holders but also those with funds at HSBC Holdings PLC Credit Suisse Group AG and in other offshore locations such as the Cayman Islands.

(Reporting by Kim Dixon, editing by Dave Zimmerman)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090914/us_nm/us_ubs_tax_evasion


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 04:42:14 PM
Eight offshore banks are the subject of United States federal grand jury investigations examining whether they helped Americans evade taxes, a sign that authorities may be ready to issue subpoenas to those banks as part of a crackdown on offshore tax cheating.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/20/us-offshorebanks-idUSTRE78J30E20110920


The latest turn in the Wegelin case comes amid a broad criminal probe by the U.S. Justice Department of 11 Swiss and Swiss-style banks, including Wegelin, suspected of selling offshore tax evasion services to tens of thousands of wealthy Americans. Inquiries, growing out of scrutiny of UBS, are focused on Credit Suisse AG and Basler Kantonalbank among others.
http://news.yahoo.com/u-moves-toward-legal-action-against-swiss-bank-060210358.html


The Aruban economy is very open and is highly dependent on tourism and offshore financial services.


FOLLOW THE MONEY
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4554.360
Part 2
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4554.400


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Anna on January 13, 2012, 05:01:36 PM
Finally, after all this time, I have lived to see that smirk taken off Joran's face!  He was NOT smirking today.

It's not funny to him any more.

When Joran told the judge/clerk first thing that reading the numbers was not important and she said that it was, I loved it.  She enumerated each and every thing possible, even license plates, ages, legal statutes, numbers numbers numbers.  I could visibly see it pushing him nearer and nearer the edge and yet he didn't dare react.

Of course, I have no doubt this would be a death penalty case here in Alabama, today is a very good day for justice just the same.

I would like for him to stand trial for the extortion charges as that is yet another crime he committed.  To have him come here much later in his life to serve a lengthy sentence where he would likely die of old age in prison and be buried in a lonely pauper's prison grave in the land of Natalee seems like justice to me.

But there is no price he can pay that is equal to the lives he took and the lives he destoryed. 

But I am very pleased with his sentence today. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Anna on January 13, 2012, 05:07:45 PM
He can request to be released after 9 years (1/3 of sentence).

If he has good behavior and works, he can earn one day reduction of sentence for every 2 days of work.


Exactly, CBB.  There is no guarnatee he would get it and something tells me Joran would have lots of trouble.  Plus if he is bribing guards, they won't want to lose their gravy train by having him get out early now would they?

And I am sure the Flores family would have something to say about any early release.

Doesn't matter--just the sooner he gets to Alabama.  If he even survives, that is.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: blah on January 13, 2012, 05:31:18 PM
I don't like that sometimes justice isn't doled out in the time frame I think it should, but I always have faith that our father understands that with every tick, and every tock, we always move closer to it. We must all keep in mind that the hands of the clock never stop. I'm going to ponder whether I will start to save money and begin sending Urine, Deepak, and Satish, my favorite little friend...THE CLOCK.. ::MonkeyShovel:: You can never stop the hands of father time.. ::MonkeyCool::

THE HANDS OF TIME AREN'T FINISHED YET,

URINE

DEEPAK

STATISH

ANITA



ExpartExtD court records state:

Arlene Ellis-Shipper will be deposed again on Jan. 12, 2012 10 am at Hyatt Hotel in Aruba.


WE WANT NATALEE RETURNED TO THE USA!!!!!!!!!!!!


tick tock





Kermit - I have not been around for a while - is this true about Shipper?   What is that about?  thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2012, 05:35:31 PM
Hi Blah - yes she is being deposed in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case which is set to go to trial in April of this year (keeps being delayed)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: blah on January 13, 2012, 05:36:15 PM
Hi Blah - yes she is being deposed in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case which is set to go to trial in April of this year (keeps being delayed)

Holy crap - that mess is still going on???


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 13, 2012, 05:36:29 PM
First I want to thank you for allowing me to be part of this celebration.

Next I want to add that 28 years is a great start in what I hope will be many sentences to come. He needs to be buried below the jail.  ::MonkeyShovel::

I hope Mr Flores has the political clout to have Joran's current prison perks removed.  I want Joran to wish he could be extradited to Alabama.  Joran deserves some true justice, American style, and in particular good old boy Alabammer Slammer style

It's only the beginning...... ::MonkeyJustice::.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: blah on January 13, 2012, 05:36:40 PM
Hi Blah - yes she is being deposed in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case which is set to go to trial in April of this year (keeps being delayed)

Holy crap - that mess is still going on???

Ps -  Hi Klaas  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2012, 05:37:54 PM
First I want to thank you for allowing me to be part of this celebration.

Next I want to add that 28 years is a great start in what I hope will be many sentences to come. He needs to be buried below the jail.  ::MonkeyShovel::

I hope Mr Flores has the political clout to have Joran's current prison perks removed.  I want Joran to wish he could be extradited to Alabama.  Joran deserves some true justice, American style, and in particular good old boy Alabammer Slammer style

It's only the beginning...... ::MonkeyJustice::.

Welcome Jamcakes! - see you found your way in?   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2012, 05:39:19 PM
Hi Blah - yes she is being deposed in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case which is set to go to trial in April of this year (keeps being delayed)

Holy crap - that mess is still going on???

Ps -  Hi Klaas  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Yep still going on.  I'm keeping a lose eye because the Kalpoes had to turn in a bunch of stuff by the 11th of January and if they don't the case might end up getting thrown out  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2012, 05:40:34 PM
As of right now:

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

04/18/2012 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 4-23-2012)

04/23/2012 at 08:33 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 13, 2012, 05:47:06 PM
Finally, after all this time, I have lived to see that smirk taken off Joran's face!  He was NOT smirking today.

It's not funny to him any more.

When Joran told the judge/clerk first thing that reading the numbers was not important and she said that it was, I loved it.  She enumerated each and every thing possible, even license plates, ages, legal statutes, numbers numbers numbers.  I could visibly see it pushing him nearer and nearer the edge and yet he didn't dare react.

Of course, I have no doubt this would be a death penalty case here in Alabama, today is a very good day for justice just the same.

I would like for him to stand trial for the extortion charges as that is yet another crime he committed.  To have him come here much later in his life to serve a lengthy sentence where he would likely die of old age in prison and be buried in a lonely pauper's prison grave in the land of Natalee seems like justice to me.

But there is no price he can pay that is equal to the lives he took and the lives he destoryed. 

But I am very pleased with his sentence today. 

Anna~

I HATE to burst your bubble, but it is what it is.  You can't change what you are deep inside- an evil murdering bastard:

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Natalee%20Holloway%20-Aruba%20---%20Stephany%20Flores%20-Peru/41.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: cecilita on January 13, 2012, 05:48:34 PM
First I want to thank you for allowing me to be part of this celebration.

Next I want to add that 28 years is a great start in what I hope will be many sentences to come. He needs to be buried below the jail.  ::MonkeyShovel::

I hope Mr Flores has the political clout to have Joran's current prison perks removed.  I want Joran to wish he could be extradited to Alabama.  Joran deserves some true justice, American style, and in particular good old boy Alabammer Slammer style

It's only the beginning...... ::MonkeyJustice::.
I believe that Alabama will do a better job than Florida regarding murderers!!! I dint want to see him free like Casey or baby Lisa's mom!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2012, 05:50:06 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/13/article-2086373-0F7333FC00000578-429_634x426.jpg)

Demonstration: A man holds posters of Joran Van der Sloot, left, and Peruvian girl Stephany Flores outside the Lurigancho prison where Van der Sloot was being read his sentence for murdering the woman

Note that the photo of Stephany also has a photo of Natalee.  I think the Peruvians understand.  ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 13, 2012, 06:00:48 PM
Alabama - #1 at college football, even better at JUSTICE.   ::MonkeyFootball::

He can check in anytime, but he will never leave. Alive, that is.   ::MonkeyHang::

::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 13, 2012, 06:06:47 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/13/article-2086373-0F7333FC00000578-429_634x426.jpg)

Demonstration: A man holds posters of Joran Van der Sloot, left, and Peruvian girl Stephany Flores outside the Lurigancho prison where Van der Sloot was being read his sentence for murdering the woman

Note that the photo of Stephany also has a photo of Natalee.  I think the Peruvians understand.  ::boxingjoran::

This chokes me up.  I like these Peruvians.

 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 13, 2012, 06:13:40 PM
I posted this on another forum~

Since JVS has to pay restitution to the family of Stephany Flores, can they not confiscate monies he receives in jail?

It seems to me, JVS is ego driven, needs to be number 1. We've heard stories of him attacking a prison guard, shanking at least 3 fellow inmates, stories of JVS having cell phones, flat screen tv's.
 :smt033 :smt030 :smt024 :smt020 :smt058 ::monkeymargarita::

We've also heard if you have money, you could buy protection.  :smt067

Ricardo Flores is supposed to have an upcoming press conference discussing the privleges JVS is afforded. I have to say, I don't blame him at all.    ::MonkeyMad:: :2brickwall:

Now that JVS has been sentenced as a convicted murderer and thief, I'd like to think they'll either transport him to another facility or keep him there without all the privleges he's been granted.   ::monkeydenied:: ::boxingjoran::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 06:24:34 PM
Finally, after all this time, I have lived to see that smirk taken off Joran's face!  He was NOT smirking today.

It's not funny to him any more.

When Joran told the judge/clerk first thing that reading the numbers was not important and she said that it was, I loved it.  She enumerated each and every thing possible, even license plates, ages, legal statutes, numbers numbers numbers.  I could visibly see it pushing him nearer and nearer the edge and yet he didn't dare react.

Of course, I have no doubt this would be a death penalty case here in Alabama, today is a very good day for justice just the same.

I would like for him to stand trial for the extortion charges as that is yet another crime he committed.  To have him come here much later in his life to serve a lengthy sentence where he would likely die of old age in prison and be buried in a lonely pauper's prison grave in the land of Natalee seems like justice to me.

But there is no price he can pay that is equal to the lives he took and the lives he destoryed. 

But I am very pleased with his sentence today. 

I'm behind, but your post sums it up pretty well for me too.  I was able to listen and watch some while I worked today.  Everyone that I work with was interested in the outcome too.

I thought Joran was going to faint at times...or blow up at times.  It was the most tedious and long reading of a sentence that I've ever heard, I thoroughly enjoyed watching him sweat and be so uncomfortable!   

From my understanding I think the only thing that took time off of his sentence was the time he has already served.

I am pleased with the sentence. 

I hope now that his funding dwindles so he finds out what life is really like in prison there.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: cecilita on January 13, 2012, 06:25:10 PM
For safety issues i believe that he will be protected. He may have computers, flat TVs, etc in jail but he still in jail ...lets see who will financially support this monster for so many years... Anita needs to stop playing Bingo and save all her money to protect her monster ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 06:27:57 PM
Hi Blah - yes she is being deposed in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case which is set to go to trial in April of this year (keeps being delayed)

Holy crap - that mess is still going on???

Hi blah,
good to see you.
Yes it is very true - as Klassend posted, it's for the Dr. Phil/Kalpoe case. She's been busy trying to get rid of documents that dr. phils attorney's have requested.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 06:29:09 PM
Congratulations to you all!

I don't think his ego can take this; he'll probably kill himself (his last killing...). Or he will be killed.

Unfortunately there will never be a real closure for the family of Natalee; he will never tell where her body is; if Natalee would be found that would incriminate him even more.

But this is the end of the Urine van der Ditch-story... Hopefully



We've got Stephany's trial behind us now, but there's still so much left in regard to justice for Natalee.  I hope you continue to stay with us EuRobert in the quest for justice.  There's more to come, imo.

 ::justice2NJ::

It's not over, and I hope EuRobert will stay with us too!   ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Red on January 13, 2012, 06:30:41 PM
HEY ARUBA ... take a good look at what justice looks like.

Joran van der Sloot had no Aruba, no pappa Sloot, no connections, no cronyism, no Tourism board more concerned with their tourism than human life. Look what happens when the "Little Sporter" was just tried for a crime and the LE, prosecutors and Judges did their jobs unimpeded.

When 30 was the max ... 28 years is damn good. There is no way JVDS will be able to keep his nose clean and get out on good behavior. He could not do so when he was out in the free world, wait until the anniversary arrises of May 30.

Hey Aruba ... you could have prevented all this. Thank you so little.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 06:33:19 PM
(http://s1.gva.be/ahimgpath/assets_img_gvl/2012/01/13/2119133/joran-van-der-sloot-28-jaar-naar-de-gevangenis-id2473151-460x0.jpg)

http://www.gva.be/nieuws/buitenland/aid1106696/joran-van-der-sloot-28-jaar-naar-de-gevangenis.aspx

Good Shot, Northern. That captures what I saw after the sentence came down!

Joran's not having a good day. 

Yes, he didn't like it one bit!  I loved it!   ::monkeywine2::

When I started telling the others at work how he was reacting, they all came and gathered around my computer to watch!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 13, 2012, 06:33:46 PM
Can someone determine what his tattoo says?

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k584/Guccijbd/joran-vandersloot-mag.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 13, 2012, 06:35:42 PM
HEY ARUBA ... take a good look at what justice looks like.

Joran van der Sloot had no Aruba, no pappa Sloot, no connections, no cronyism, no Tourism board more concerned with their tourism than human life. Look what happens when the "Little Sporter" was just tried for a crime and the LE, prosecutors and Judges did their jobs unimpeded.

When 30 was the max ... 28 years is damn good. There is no way JVDS will be able to keep his nose clean and get out on good behavior. He could not do so when he was out in the free world, wait until the anniversary arrises of May 30.

Hey Aruba ... you could have prevented all this. Thank you so little.

Hi Red!!

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t267/Sig-I-Tis/Emoticons/clapping.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 06:37:26 PM
Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

01/03/2012 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (THIRD MOTION TO DISMISS ANDREQUEST FOR TERMINATING SANCTIONS)


04/16/2012 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Strike (PLAINTIFFS' EXPERT WITNESS ROBERT A. LEONARD)

04/18/2012 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 4-23-2012)

04/23/2012 at 08:33 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)



The same Robert A. Leonard?

Janet

+++++

ROBERT A. LEONARD, Ph.D

Robert A. Leonard, Ph.D. is Professor of Linguistics at Hofstra University. His specialty is Forensic Linguistics as applied to U.S. law. He directs the Linguistics Program and the Forensic Linguistics Internships. A Fulbright Fellow for his Ph.D. research, he received his B.A. from Columbia College, where he was elected to Phi Beta Kappa, and his M.A., M.Phil., and Ph.D. from Columbia Graduate School, where he was a Faculty Fellow. He is lead researcher at Robert Leonard Associates, a consulting firm.

Leonard’s linguistic specialty of Forensic Linguistics applies the science of linguistic investigation to issues of U.S. law. Forensic Linguistics augments legal analysis by applying rigorous, scientifically accepted principles of analysis to legal evidence like contracts, confessions, and recorded speech.

<snipped>

http://people.hofstra.edu/robert_a_leonard/


Lawsuit Claim

Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


LOS ANGELES - Two brothers who filed an $800 million defamation suit against Dr. Phil McGraw and CBS over a broadcast concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are already too tarnished to claim libel, according to attorneys for the defendants.

<snipped>

A lawsuit filed in December 2006 by Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe maintains they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil" show, when it was alleged they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her. They also contend the episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body.

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges. In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: cecilita on January 13, 2012, 06:39:49 PM
Can someone determine what his tattoo says?

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k584/Guccijbd/joran-vandersloot-mag.jpg)
I think is the bella vita  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I can't see what it says...I think it says june 10?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 13, 2012, 06:43:17 PM
Can someone determine what his tattoo says?

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k584/Guccijbd/joran-vandersloot-mag.jpg)
I think is the bella vita  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I can't see what it says...I think it says june 10?
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Bella Vita!!  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Red on January 13, 2012, 06:45:03 PM
Can someone determine what his tattoo says?

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k584/Guccijbd/joran-vandersloot-mag.jpg)

I think i read it as "GUILTY AS SIN"


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: cadillac on January 13, 2012, 06:45:12 PM
Can someone determine what his tattoo says?

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k584/Guccijbd/joran-vandersloot-mag.jpg)
I think is the bella vita  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I can't see what it says...I think it says june 10?
Or Mommie and Daddy (where are you?)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 06:45:38 PM
HEY ARUBA ... take a good look at what justice looks like.

Joran van der Sloot had no Aruba, no pappa Sloot, no connections, no cronyism, no Tourism board more concerned with their tourism than human life. Look what happens when the "Little Sporter" was just tried for a crime and the LE, prosecutors and Judges did their jobs unimpeded.

When 30 was the max ... 28 years is damn good.  There is no way JVDS will be able to keep his nose clean and get out on good behavior. He could not do so when he was out in the free world, wait until the anniversary arrises of May 30.

Hey Aruba ... you could have prevented all this. Thank you so little.

Great post Red!   ::MonkeyCool::

SO TRUE!  Joran has FINALLY faced JUSTICE, but there are MANY others with blood on their hands in ARUBA.  Natalee's as well as Stephany's and any other victims we may not even know about.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 06:46:58 PM
The result of Aruba covering up the murder of Natalee is this.  Stephany murdered and Joran 28 years in a Peruvian prison.   Is that the cost of protecting tourism?

(http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/0/0/vandersloot28years_20120113_124315.jpg)

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-to-be-sentenced-for-murder-peruvian-woman/?test=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-to-be-sentenced-for-murder-peruvian-woman/?test=latestnews)

Joran van der Sloot - In His Own Words

Confession: Joran van der Sloot describes killing Stephany Flores
Published: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 2:51 PM
Updated: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 4:11 PM


<snipped>

Asked for a detailed description of the killing:

"She was on the bed when I hit her hard with my right elbow and I think her head went back and hit the wall, then she begins to bleed, immediately I get on top of her and with both hands I begin to strangle her, keeping her that way for a minute. After that, I throw her to the floor but she keeps breathing. At that moment I take off my shirt and put it on her face, pressing on it. I don't remember for how long but she stops breathing, in this way I think I caused her death."

<snipped>

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/confession_joran_van_der_sloot.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 06:47:54 PM
(http://media.nj.com/ledgerupdates_impact/photo/10443816-large.jpg)

(http://*BLOCKED*/media/alternatethumbnails/story/2012-01/60878663-13092817.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 06:52:12 PM
HEY ARUBA ... take a good look at what justice looks like.

Joran van der Sloot had no Aruba, no pappa Sloot, no connections, no cronyism, no Tourism board more concerned with their tourism than human life. Look what happens when the "Little Sporter" was just tried for a crime and the LE, prosecutors and Judges did their jobs unimpeded.

When 30 was the max ... 28 years is damn good. There is no way JVDS will be able to keep his nose clean and get out on good behavior. He could not do so when he was out in the free world, wait until the anniversary arrises of May 30.

Hey Aruba ... you could have prevented all this. Thank you so little.



The Writing was on the Wall

Monkeys Media Reminder … Beth Holloway & Peter R. DeVries on Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio
February 13th, 2008


Beth Holloway:

47:50 - "I feel strongly that he (Joran) is a time bomb that is waiting to go off.  He will strike again.  It is not just for Natalee that I would like to see him behind bars.  I think he has shown us all he has no control over himself or his actions."

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/monkeys-media-reminder-beth-holloway-peter-r-devries-on-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 06:53:19 PM
Can someone determine what his tattoo says?

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k584/Guccijbd/joran-vandersloot-mag.jpg)

I think i read it as "GUILTY AS SIN"

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 06:54:01 PM
Can someone determine what his tattoo says?

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k584/Guccijbd/joran-vandersloot-mag.jpg)

I think i read it as "GUILTY AS SIN"

the tattoo interpretation says, "no worries"



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 06:55:13 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/13/article-2086373-0F7333FC00000578-429_634x426.jpg)

Demonstration: A man holds posters of Joran Van der Sloot, left, and Peruvian girl Stephany Flores outside the Lurigancho prison where Van der Sloot was being read his sentence for murdering the woman

Note that the photo of Stephany also has a photo of Natalee.  I think the Peruvians understand.  ::boxingjoran::

This chokes me up.  I like these Peruvians.

 ::monkeywine2::

This gave me chills...I'm so proud of them! I knew that many there may not know a lot about Natalee's case and wasn't sure if they really understood since I've seen some of the "disinformation" being shared as well as the truth.

I haven't been able to watch the coverage I recorded today yet.  I'm hoping there's footage of the people in the streets today.  I'm anxious to see what all was happening.

I love that they included Natalee on the poster with Stephany.   ::MonkeyHeart:: :smt022


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Red on January 13, 2012, 06:55:15 PM
FINALLY, JUSTICE SERVED!!! Joran Van der Sloot Sentenced to 28 Year in Prison for Murder of Stephany Flores in Peru (VIDEO)

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/01/13/finally-justice-served-joran-van-der-sloot-sentenced-to-28-year-in-prison-for-murder-of-stephany-flores-in-peru/

Quote
FINALLY … JUSTICE FOR STEPHANY … JORAN VAN DER SLOOT SENTENCED TO 28 YEARS!!!

Peru just did what Aruba refused to do … charged, tried and sentenced Joran Van der Sloot to prison for murder!

Joran Van der Sloot has been sentenced to 28 years in prison for the murder Stephany Flores in Peru. The three judge panel did not buy Van der Sloot’s act of a sincere apology when he plead guilty last week to Flores’ murder. Joran will also have to pay $75,000 in reparations to Stephany’s family. The three judge panel deemed the Stephany Flores’ murder to be “cruel” and “ferocious”  and nixed Joran’s “sincere” confession.
::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 06:56:54 PM
HEY ARUBA ... take a good look at what justice looks like.

Joran van der Sloot had no Aruba, no pappa Sloot, no connections, no cronyism, no Tourism board more concerned with their tourism than human life. Look what happens when the "Little Sporter" was just tried for a crime and the LE, prosecutors and Judges did their jobs unimpeded.

When 30 was the max ... 28 years is damn good. There is no way JVDS will be able to keep his nose clean and get out on good behavior. He could not do so when he was out in the free world, wait until the anniversary arrises of May 30.

Hey Aruba ... you could have prevented all this. Thank you so little.

Well said Red................take note ARUBA - GIVE NATALEE BACK!!!!!
We are willing to wait out our entire lives........



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 13, 2012, 06:58:38 PM
Can someone determine what his tattoo says?

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k584/Guccijbd/joran-vandersloot-mag.jpg)

I think i read it as "GUILTY AS SIN"

the tattoo interpretation says, "no worries"



Thank you, Kermit.

What a cocky bastard, huh?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #862 12/23/11 -
Post by: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 06:59:13 PM
(http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.3449906.1326469232!/httpImag