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Title: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 - 11/02/11
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 21, 2011, 04:43:52 PM
(http://kctv.images.worldnow.com/images/15611288_BG3.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 27, 2011, 03:25:26 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/investigators-launch-new-search-for-lisa-irwin-about-10-miles-from-her-home
 ::snipping2::

uthorities with the FBI and Kansas City Police Department searched Chaumiere Woods Park, in the 3700 block of NE 43rd Terrace. That's near Interstate 35 and Chouteau Trafficway, about two miles north of Lisa’s home in the 3600 block of Lister Avenue in Kansas City.

NBC Action News reporter Lindsay Shively reports one boat was in a lake there, and two more ground crews were searching the area. All three had dogs.

Police say the search is not based off of any specific tip. Investigators had left the area, appearing to not have found anything by about 12:50 p.m.

Lisa was reported missing on Oct. 4. Her parents said Lisa’s father, Jeremy Irwin, came home around 4 a.m. and Lisa was not in her crib.

We’ll post more information here as it becomes available.

Editor's Note: A previously-published version of this story incorrectly stated the search area was about 10 miles. NBC Action News apologizes for this error.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/investigators-launch-new-search-for-lisa-irwin-about-10-miles-from-her-home#ixzz1c0mfrpsq


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2011, 03:25:33 PM
Thanks Klaas!!  That was a smooth & quick ride!!  (http://bestsmileys.com/cars/8.gif)



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2011, 03:31:52 PM
I think the Irwin's are feeling the heat of the investigation breathing down their necks.  Their attorney Ms. Short says the Irwin's and their supporters are stressed and need a rest.  What does Lisa Irwin need?  You have parents like Deborah and Jeremy Irwin and then there are parents like Morgan Harrington's and Natalee Holloway's mom Beth.  JMHO


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 27, 2011, 03:42:24 PM
I think the Irwin's are feeling the heat of the investigation breathing down their necks.  Their attorney Ms. Short says the Irwin's and their supporters are stressed and need a rest.  What does Lisa Irwin need?  You have parents like Deborah and Jeremy Irwin and then there are parents like Morgan Harrington's and Natalee Holloway's mom Beth.  JMHO

I agree. How can anyone rest when their child is missing? Maybe I'm just cynical.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on October 27, 2011, 03:44:11 PM
http://theklaasact.blogspot.com/2011/10/baby-lisa-and-loss-of-urgency.html

Baby Lisa and the Loss of Urgency!

Baby Lisa’s parents have circled the wagons, hired a platoon of lawyers and consultants, and cut off communications with media and law enforcement. Critical decisions are made by committee. Their other two children are off-limits to law enforcement, mommy’s story shifts and shudders, and her commentary reveals more questions than it answers. Access to the house is restricted and a cadaver dog picked up the scent of decaying human remains in the master bedroom.

The abysmal choices and questionable behavior of baby Lisa’s mom and dad have left them exposed. One result of their failure to eliminate themselves as suspects in baby Lisa’s disappearance is that her parents are being tried and convicted in the court of public opinion. They and their representatives claim that they are being scapegoated; that the authorities have to pin the crime on someone and that the parents are the obvious choices.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kimmy53 on October 27, 2011, 03:47:35 PM
I think the Irwin's are feeling the heat of the investigation breathing down their necks.  Their attorney Ms. Short says the Irwin's and their supporters are stressed and need a rest.  What does Lisa Irwin need?  You have parents like Deborah and Jeremy Irwin and then there are parents like Morgan Harrington's and Natalee Holloway's mom Beth.  JMHO

Rest my butt!  I have cared for my sick little ones and been lucky to get 2 hours total of sleep in  a day, pacing, bouncing, not eating, not fixing my hair (much less getting high lights) And they were right here in my arms.  IF my baby was missing I cannot fathom telling someone I need to rest for a week!

Time is critical!!  Why is the search for Lisa NOT urgent to them???????


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 27, 2011, 03:56:10 PM
I think the Irwin's are feeling the heat of the investigation breathing down their necks.  Their attorney Ms. Short says the Irwin's and their supporters are stressed and need a rest.  What does Lisa Irwin need?  You have parents like Deborah and Jeremy Irwin and then there are parents like Morgan Harrington's and Natalee Holloway's mom Beth.  JMHO

I agree. How can anyone rest when their child is missing? Maybe I'm just cynical.

No your not..If a child is missing you go to the end of the earth to find her/him/them.... 
However not in this case.....
My god, deb didn't even want to look out the back door, afraid of what she'd fine.  Now what's with that?
 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Blonde on October 27, 2011, 03:57:37 PM
Can someone bring over the new search pictures TY


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 27, 2011, 04:01:18 PM
Why bring that up, not wanting to look out the back door?
Was Lisa taken out of the back door???
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Pattianne on October 27, 2011, 04:01:19 PM
(http://kctv.images.worldnow.com/images/15611288_BG3.jpg)

These boys look like they love Lisa.  They have to be asking where she is.  I wonder what she's telling them.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2011, 04:01:59 PM
NBCActionNews NBC Action News

NBCActionNews NBC Action News
#breaking: At least 3 boats in water at Northland park in new search for #LisaIrwin pub.vitrue.com/pmR (http://pub.vitrue.com/pmR)
41 seconds ago
Investigators launch new search for #LisaIrwin about 10 miles from her home pub.vitrue.com/4gv (http://pub.vitrue.com/4gv)
13 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/NBCActionNews (http://twitter.com/#!/NBCActionNews)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2011, 04:03:09 PM
Does anyone have a google map of this location by any chance????
 ::MonkeyCool::
i am not too good at this.  ::MonkeyTongue::
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/29913172698.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/522886/3111196)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2011, 04:04:07 PM
Searching a Northland pond
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 12:20 PM
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/27/30fc3900-2e34-4797-8b43-6cee436ba643_400.jpg)
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c0JcztwX



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2011, 04:05:04 PM
Another picture of the search happening right now
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 12:20 PM
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/27/906182ce-5f56-40df-aa92-fdf325256b14_400.jpg)
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c0JyPAsG



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2011, 04:06:09 PM
Maybe the search today had something to do with Cynthia Short announcing there would be no tour of the Irwin's home and etc.


http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander)
PeterAlexander Peter Alexander
First search for #BabyLisa in 8 days leads investigators to local park & lake. yfrog.com/h3irinxj (http://yfrog.com/h3irinxj)
13 minutes ago

(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg615/scaled.php?tn=0&server=615&filename=irinx.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 27, 2011, 04:06:30 PM
Vinnie is on now...HLM....got the pic's up. ::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 27, 2011, 04:06:38 PM
Why bring that up, not wanting to look out the back door?
Was Lisa taken out of the back door???
 ::MonkeyEek::

I agree. It's a strange thing to say. There must be something to it. But what?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2011, 04:07:37 PM
KMBC's Peggy Breit says Goose, a border collie used to search, found nothing
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 12:46 PM
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/27/8bfc5322-3c73-4a3c-a037-6443dc2ddf84_400.jpg)
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c0P15GM0



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2011, 04:09:10 PM
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/27/b3974321-135c-4720-b689-139684c2d35e_400.jpg)
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/27/cf263bec-0cc6-456e-9841-f861ed4d6337_400.jpg)
Lacey also found nothing, KMBC's Peggy Breit reports.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 12:49 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c0PrxFIG



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2011, 04:11:26 PM
Can someone bring over the new search pictures TY

I've posted all the pictures from the last search.  It went pretty quickly, and of course nothing was found.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: darla on October 27, 2011, 04:15:38 PM
Good afternoon Monkeys and guest!

I have been reading about Lisa since this all started, but have not posted. I could reach through my screen and biotch slap both of these parents. They are the ones who called 911 to report their baby missing, but hey they don't want to talk to LE anymore. truth is THEY DO NOT WANT LISA FOUND RIGHT NOW. Why are Police being so mean to them? Has it not occurred to these imbeciles that they are just doing their job trying to find THEIR baby. Maybe the LE should take a week to rest. They are the ones busting their butts trying to find a baby that the parents don't want found. Just so fed up with parents and their live  in boy/girlfriends  harming  ::MonkeyMad::the babies.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Pattianne on October 27, 2011, 04:20:45 PM
Good afternoon Monkeys and guest!

I have been reading about Lisa since this all started, but have not posted. I could reach through my screen and biotch slap both of these parents. They are the ones who called 911 to report their baby missing, but hey they don't want to talk to LE anymore. truth is THEY DO NOT WANT LISA FOUND RIGHT NOW. Why are Police being so mean to them? Has it not occurred to these imbeciles that they are just doing their job trying to find THEIR baby. Maybe the LE should take a week to rest. They are the ones busting their butts trying to find a baby that the parents don't want found. Just so fed up with parents and their live  in boy/girlfriends  harming  ::MonkeyMad::the babies.

I know how you feel darla and I too need to step back from this case for a while.  I'm just furious that these people have put a missing Baby Lisa on the back burner so they can "rest".



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 27, 2011, 04:24:59 PM
Good afternoon Monkeys and guest!

I have been reading about Lisa since this all started, but have not posted. I could reach through my screen and biotch slap both of these parents. They are the ones who called 911 to report their baby missing, but hey they don't want to talk to LE anymore. truth is THEY DO NOT WANT LISA FOUND RIGHT NOW. Why are Police being so mean to them? Has it not occurred to these imbeciles that they are just doing their job trying to find THEIR baby. Maybe the LE should take a week to rest. They are the ones busting their butts trying to find a baby that the parents don't want found. Just so fed up with parents and their live  in boy/girlfriends  harming  ::MonkeyMad::the babies.

I know how you feel darla and I too need to step back from this case for a while.  I'm just furious that these people have put a missing Baby Lisa on the back burner so they can "rest".



Yeah, kinda makes you wonder why they even bothered to report her missing. Guess they learned from KC that an imaginary nanny story wouldn't work. Ack. If these parents are innocent, then I don't want to be hard on them. But their actions just keep putting suspicion back onto them.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 27, 2011, 04:29:10 PM
All caught up now and gosh, I think I need to rest, worked from 5am to 2pm and then went grocery shopping then home to unload and put away, but hey, I can still talk.....I can still think.....I can still remember things from last month.....wth....need to rest????   What the hell has made them tired, trying to remember what lies they last told, trying to convince the boys what to say and what not to during tomorows interview, these people are just plain mean and they are not one bit worried about baby Lisa, if they were they would talk until their damn head fell over and they passed out from exhaustion!!!   Guess that explains why Debra had to leave baby Lisa in her bedroom alone all night because she was too tired to take care of her, but yet she calls herself a good Parent....she wouldnt know a good parent if it came over and bit her on her butt!!......I hope the boys tell everything they have ever been through whle living ar that house with DB, they arre really making me sick!!!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2011, 04:36:45 PM
I contend that the observations that took place at 12:15 AM and 04:00 AM on the morning that baby Lisa went missing will be the smoking gun that will more this case forward.

I also contend that Jeremy and Deborah's recent low profile implies that both realize the writing is on the wall.

Could it be that Jeremy believed a false workplace alibi would distance him from implication in furthering an abduction fabrication in regards to being the person who was observed by witnesses carrying a baby at 12:15 AM and 4:00 AM on the morning his daughter went missing.

Think about it.  The description provided by 2:15 AM neighbor witnesses as well as the identification claim from an official photo lineup afforded by the 4:00 AM motorcyclist witness all points to Jeremy.

Janet
Edit to fix typo.  MB


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 27, 2011, 04:37:46 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/27/police-search-pond-for-missing-11-month-old-missouri-baby/
U.S. - US
Kansas City Police Search Pond for Missing Baby Lisa Irwin
Published October 27, 2011
| FoxNews.com

Video at link.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/27/police-search-pond-for-missing-11-month-old-missouri-baby/#ixzz1c14s96VH


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2011, 04:41:02 PM

(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg620/scaled.php?tn=0&server=620&filename=gg4eez.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
 


12:15 AM

NANCY GRACE
Aired October 24, 2011 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

VELEZ-MITCHELL:  ... Lisa, you claim you saw a man with the baby that night. Are you sure it was a man?

LISA, WITNESS WHO CLAIMS SHE SAW MAN WITH INFANT RESEMBLING BABY LISA: Yes, I am positive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is correct. You have no doubts that it was a man? How can you be so sure?

LISA: Yes. Correct. Based on the lighting. When it reflected off of the gentleman`s head, there was no long hair. To us it appeared as if the gentleman had a bald head.

<snipped>

LISA: The cops did offer to make a sketch for us. However, we didn`t have clear facial features to give them. We were able to describe the man, he was very slender. He was a tall gentleman. He was probably six-foot tall, maybe 5`8" to six-feet tall. So he was a really tall gentleman and he was very, very slender. He was wearing a white T-shirt and some sweat pants.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/24/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2011, 04:44:13 PM
#25

Jeremy and Lisa's recent low profile s/b Jeremy and Debbie's recent low profile
Fixed it.  MB


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2011, 04:51:00 PM
Brothers of Baby Lisa Irwin to be interviewed
updated 10/26/2011 3:51:08 PM ET


<snipped>

Some recent attention has focused on surveillance video from a gas station near the Irwin home that showed a person emerging from the woods early on October 4. It was unclear if the person was carrying anything.

That came on the heels of witnesses telling network news shows over the weekend they saw a man carrying a baby dressed only in a diaper outside on that same night. A couple on Irwin's street said they saw the man at about 12:15 am while another witness said he saw a man with a baby at about 4 am some three miles away.

Kansas City police spokesman Sergeant Stacey Graves said on Tuesday that police have reviewed the gas station video. Police have declined to comment on the witness reports.

<snipped>

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45051152/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 27, 2011, 05:03:08 PM
I just looked at the pictures of baby Lisa at a birthday party 2 days before she came up missing and she must have gotten sick really fast because she looks so adorable in those pictures and not sick at all...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Blonde on October 27, 2011, 05:06:23 PM
Can someone bring over the new search pictures TY

I've posted all the pictures from the last search.  It went pretty quickly, and of course nothing was found.

Thank you


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 27, 2011, 05:06:56 PM
Statement from attorney Cyndy Short on why this morning's news conference and house walk-through had been cancelled: "That last few weeks have been exhausting to everyone working on behalf of the Irwin family, it has exhausted Lisa's parents and her friends and family. Therefore, the consensus is we all need a rest until next week. Therefore the pool camera photo walk through and press conference scheduled for today and tomorrow are being postponed until next week."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 3:42 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c1CEg888


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 27, 2011, 05:09:23 PM
I contend that the observations that took place at 12:15 AM and 04:00 AM on the morning that baby Lisa went missing will be the smoking gun that will more this case forward.

I also contend that Jeremy and Lisa's recent low profile implies that both realize the writing is on the wall.

Could it be that Jeremy believed a false workplace alibi would distance him from implication in furthering an abduction fabrication in regards to being the person who was observed by witnesses carrying a baby at 12:15 AM and 4:00 AM on the morning his daughter went missing.

Think about it.  The description provided by 2:15 AM neighbor witnesses as well as the identification claim from an official photo lineup afforded by the 4:00 AM motorcyclist witness all points to Jeremy.

Janet

I tend to agree - and the 4:00 M motorcyclist stated in the latest TV interview  [ sorry I have no link ], that he had been shown six photos to see if any were who he saw - he then said that he did pick one out from the six,  paraphrasing here:  "  ... and the one I picked out is the one you have seen in this case already."    Let's think about that -- exactly who does he mean?
Very curious ...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 27, 2011, 05:12:21 PM
I just looked at the pictures of baby Lisa at a birthday party 2 days before she came up missing and she must have gotten sick really fast because she looks so adorable in those pictures and not sick at all...

Babies get sick quick -- high temps can come on in a flash.  Everything with babies happens quickly.   That is why no mother/caretaker has any business allowing themselves the luxury of getting drunk while on duty.   The height of irresponsibility.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 27, 2011, 05:15:39 PM
I just looked at the pictures of baby Lisa at a birthday party 2 days before she came up missing and she must have gotten sick really fast because she looks so adorable in those pictures and not sick at all...

Babies get sick quick -- high temps can come on in a flash.  Everything with babies happens quickly.   That is why no mother/caretaker has any business allowing themselves the luxury of getting drunk while on duty.   The height of irresponsibility.
Yep...your right...and in the birthday pictures her Mother is no where around....well not in the pictures anyways.....but Lisa sure is cute as a button........There is something seriously wrong with DB and I cant believe being exhausted even fell out her mouth while her baby is missing!!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2011, 05:16:46 PM
I contend that the observations that took place at 12:15 AM and 04:00 AM on the morning that baby Lisa went missing will be the smoking gun that will more this case forward.

I also contend that Jeremy and Deborahs's recent low profile implies that both realize the writing is on the wall.

Could it be that Jeremy believed a false workplace alibi would distance him from implication in furthering an abduction fabrication in regards to being the person who was observed by witnesses carrying a baby at 12:15 AM and 4:00 AM on the morning his daughter went missing.

Think about it.  The description provided by 2:15 AM neighbor witnesses as well as the identification claim from an official photo lineup afforded by the 4:00 AM motorcyclist witness all points to Jeremy.

Janet
Edit to fix typo.  MB

I tend to agree - and the 4:00 M motorcyclist stated in the latest TV interview  [ sorry I have no link ], that he had been shown six photos to see if any were who he saw - he then said that he did pick one out from the six,  paraphrasing here:  "  ... and the one I picked out is the one you have seen in this case already."    Let's think about that -- exactly who does he mean?
Very curious ...

When I compare that words of the 12:15 AM neighbour witness ... I assume that Mike Thompson ... the 4:00 AM motorcyclist ... picked Jeremy from the photo lineup.  I could be wrong.

Janet

++++

04:00 AM

Witnesses Claim They Saw Man Carrying Missing Baby Lisa
Updated: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 10:27 AM CDT
Published : Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 10:25 AM CDT


(NewsCore) - Three Kansas City residents said Friday that they saw a suspicious man walking the streets with an infant on the night that 11-month-old Lisa Irwin disappeared.

Mike Thompson told ABC's "Good Morning America" that he was heading home on his motorcycle around 4:00am when he noticed the man, who was dressed in a T-shirt, on a street near Baby Lisa's home.

"[It was] 4 o'clock in the morning, 45 degrees, the baby don't have a blanket or coat or nothin', and this guy's walking down the street," Thompson said. "I thought it was kind of weird."

Thompson claimed the infant -- who was only wearing a diaper -- resembled Baby Lisa and said that he would recognize the man if he saw him again.

He said he waited about a week to report the sighting to police because he did not immediately make the connection to Baby Lisa's disappearance.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpps/news/baby-lisa-witnesses-speak-dpgonc-20111021-fc_15585422


Baby Lisa Witness Re-Interviewed Witness claims he saw a man walking with a baby the night Lisa Irwin vanished.
02:47 | 10/25/2011


Re: Photo Lineup

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisa-police-interview-key-witness-14808369



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 27, 2011, 05:27:24 PM
I just looked at the pictures of baby Lisa at a birthday party 2 days before she came up missing and she must have gotten sick really fast because she looks so adorable in those pictures and not sick at all...

Have a feeling Lisa wasn't sick.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 27, 2011, 06:06:02 PM
Shirley Pfaff said she used to be one of Bradley's closest confidants, and her kids would play together nearly every day. The two would hang out together in various social settings.

Pfaff now lives in Erie, PA.


"We met each other in Ft. Bragg, NC. Both our husbands were stationed in the military, and they were young...new in the military. That was their first duty station and that is how we became friends," said Shirley Pfaff, a former friend of Bradley.

"She was definitely just an attention hound. It was just like I said, it was almost like I couldn't have other friends around her because she would just do things to try to cause a scene everywhere," Pfaff added. "She would go out with us. I mean me and my friend, Jamie, we would go out to the clubs and stuff. She would come with us just to the local clubs out there that she could get into. She was drinking yeah...She drank."

 ::snipping2::


I have a feeling that what this Lady is saying about DB always being an "attention hound"
is probably true........She has more then a few traits that coinside with Casey Anthony!!!

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15728409/former-friends-of-deborah-bradley-speak


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 27, 2011, 06:18:27 PM
The thing with Shirley Pfaff and the other lady is that - Deborah would of been 16 in 2002??

What children played together?  Deborah is 25 presently and her child with Bradley is presently 6 so what children is she talking about?  What drinking and husband stealing did 16 year old Deborah do?

Still confused on these friends from 2002 at Ft. Bragg and what they are saying about Deborah who was 16 in 2002?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 27, 2011, 06:21:56 PM
Maybe they have the dates wrong?  She has been with Jeremy for 4 years?   She had her 6 yr old with Bradley when she was 19?  Maybe it's just that the dates are wrong and Deborah was 18-19 so the year would be 2004-2005?  IDK.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 27, 2011, 06:26:57 PM
http://twitpic.com/71etfi


Another neighbor speaks out about Debra that use to live next door to her.......just something else to put into this tangled web......Where the heck is baby LISA!!!!!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 27, 2011, 06:57:09 PM
Did Jeremy and Deborah get their DNA taken? I don't remember if they did at the beginning, or not.

If they didn't, maybe by using the boys DNA the police can get a partial profile on the parents, without dealing with the parents' lawyers.

Knowing the family's DNA patterns can pinpoint any UNKNOWN DNA found in the home, so it would be useful if the Irwins get theirs in.

Not wanting to get their DNAs in may be proof that they do not want their child found because of evilness of their own doing (whatever that means.)

MOO.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 27, 2011, 06:57:14 PM
http://twitpic.com/71etfi


Another neighbor speaks out about Debra that use to live next door to her.......just something else to put into this tangled web......Where the heck is baby LISA!!!!!!

Holly cow.
Wonder if the cops talked to this person, get a background of what they are dealing with.
If true, wonder if DB has anything on the next door neighbor, that she would lie for her.
Unfortunately you can't believe everything you read.

Ya, just wish Lisa will/would be found soon!
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 27, 2011, 06:57:44 PM
Article and Video..
KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

Police conducted a new search for missing baby Lisa Irwin on Thursday.

Kansas City police conducted the search in the area of Interstate 35 and Chouteau Trafficway near a Target store. The search concluded just before 1 p.m. and no new clues were found, police said.

The area searched is just west of the Festival Foods where the missing baby's mother, Debbie Bradley, bought a box of wine and baby items just before 5 p.m. Oct. 3. Baby Lisa was reported missing about 4 a.m. Oct. 4. Her mother has admitted she drank enough wine to be drunk during those critical hours.

The search included boats and three cadaver dogs. One dog was inside a boat on a pond at Chaumiere Park.  The two other dogs sniffed the ground along the shoreline. The two-hour search began at 11 a.m. and included the Missouri Search and Rescue Canine Unit.

"We just let the dog work freely on the shore. We give it a command and we will search a grid, but we let them work freely," said Major Robin Houston of the Kansas City Police Department.

She said the dogs are trained to search for human remains both on land and in water.

Continued..

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15890133/attorney-postpones-media-tour-of-missing-babys-home


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 27, 2011, 07:03:25 PM
http://twitpic.com/71etfi


Another neighbor speaks out about Debra that use to live next door to her.......just something else to put into this tangled web......Where the heck is baby LISA!!!!!!

Holly cow.
Wonder if the cops talked to this person, get a background of what they are dealing with.
If true, wonder if DB has anything on the next door neighbor, that she would lie for her.
Unfortunately you can't believe everything you read.

Ya, just wish Lisa will/would be found soon!
 ::MonkeyEek::

Yikes! Those are heavy accusations--which I can only assume to be true, since they happened to her. If they are, then DB sounds like another manipulative liar. How disgusting.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 27, 2011, 07:06:45 PM
Pond at Chaumiere Park...

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/SearchbabyLisaOct272011.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 27, 2011, 07:08:50 PM

Search at pond at Chaumiere Park.

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/SearchbabyLisaOctober272011.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 27, 2011, 07:12:59 PM
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/10/baby-lisa-we-all-know.html


hmmm, he sums up the comments from DB's attorney pretty good!!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 27, 2011, 07:14:19 PM
Search for baby Lisa at pond at Chaumiere Park.

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/SearchDogOctober27-babyLisa.jpg)

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15890133/attorney-postpones-media-tour-of-missing-babys-home


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Blonde on October 27, 2011, 07:16:56 PM
I contend that the observations that took place at 12:15 AM and 04:00 AM on the morning that baby Lisa went missing will be the smoking gun that will more this case forward.

I also contend that Jeremy and Lisa's recent low profile implies that both realize the writing is on the wall.

Could it be that Jeremy believed a false workplace alibi would distance him from implication in furthering an abduction fabrication in regards to being the person who was observed by witnesses carrying a baby at 12:15 AM and 4:00 AM on the morning his daughter went missing.

Think about it.  The description provided by 2:15 AM neighbor witnesses as well as the identification claim from an official photo lineup afforded by the 4:00 AM motorcyclist witness all points to Jeremy.

Janet

I tend to agree - and the 4:00 M motorcyclist stated in the latest TV interview  [ sorry I have no link ], that he had been shown six photos to see if any were who he saw - he then said that he did pick one out from the six,  paraphrasing here:  "  ... and the one I picked out is the one you have seen in this case already."    Let's think about that -- exactly who does he mean?
Very curious ...

Jeremy  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 27, 2011, 07:19:40 PM
http://twitpic.com/71etfi


Another neighbor speaks out about Debra that use to live next door to her.......just something else to put into this tangled web......Where the heck is baby LISA!!!!!!

Holly cow.
Wonder if the cops talked to this person, get a background of what they are dealing with.
If true, wonder if DB has anything on the next door neighbor, that she would lie for her.
Unfortunately you can't believe everything you read.

Ya, just wish Lisa will/would be found soon!
 ::MonkeyEek::

Yikes! Those are heavy accusations--which I can only assume to be true, since they happened to her. If they are, then DB sounds like another manipulative liar. How disgusting.
I agree.....and if this is true then I dont doubt for one minute that DB did cause something to happen to Baby Lisa, either by accident or on purpose, dont know, but she seems like the type that would try to pull off a kidnap sort of thing and relish in the attention until she realizes that she is about to go to jail and no one believes her, then its...omg, now Im gonna hide behind my lawyer!!...Yep, something is up with her and her weird boyfriend~!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 27, 2011, 07:21:26 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15894625/police-building-their-presenceon-a-social-media-level
Police building their presence...on a social media level
Posted: Oct 27, 2011 4:56 PM CDT Updated: Oct 27, 2011 6:08 PM CDT
By Laura McCallister, Multimedia Producer - email

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

Social media like Twitter and Facebook have been used a lot in the missing baby Lisa Irwin case, and police are now recognizing they need to take advantage of the new tools. That was the motivation behind an experiment in downtown Thursday.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 27, 2011, 07:33:17 PM
I wouldn't put too much faith on the sightings.

Some people think that all things are about them, and they can't wait to inject themselves on a big story, even if their testimony can put the case in jeopardy. Some people do it out of the willingness to help, and innocently concoct stories just because they are convinced they saw something.

The times of the first sighting keep chancing. Some say 12:00am, some 12:15am, 12:30am, 12:35am, 1:15am, 1:30am, etc... The time discrepancies may have to do with who published the incident, the reporter who wrote down the story, and how each media outlet staff understood the story.

The first sighting facts are something else. On October 4th, the woman gave many interviews and each of her recollections was about her husband coming home from work and seeing the man with the baby. She at no time claimed to have seen the event, she recalled what her husband had told her.

Then in the latest interviews this woman is saying that both she and her husband saw the incident, and she gives details as if she saw it herself. She now says her husband was "going" to work, instead of coming home from work.

The 2:15am "sighting" could be put to rest, because the surveillance picture is so bad that even if a kidnapper was caught in the video, he/she could not be identified. It's hard to tell if the image is from a man, woman, and whether the person is carrying a baby or not. The captions said he was seen coming out of the woods, but there are many homes in all the streets around the area, he could've been out for any reason.

The 4:00am is also discountable. The gentleman claimed it was 45degrees that morning, when the temperature was quoted here being at around 60 degrees. The witness says he saw the man walking up Randolph Road, most possibly going North (Thompson said he exited on 48th St. coming South on Hwy 435). He was going West on the right lanes, the man walking up Randolph was on the other side of the road, so how well did he see the guy.

Yet, he gave LE a description and identified the person on the sketch as Jersey. He reported the incident a week after, and he identified the man after Jersey was in custody.

So, did he identify him as Jersey because he is convinced that Jersey has done it?

There hasn't been ONE person who has come out and said something that speaks of truthfulness. Even with the new $100,000 reward nobody is coming forth. The economy is bad and a few people who know what happened should be spilling their guts about what happened, even if just for the money. Yet, nobody is coming forth.

If I were LE, I may check all the alibis for the 24 hours BEFORE they reported Lisa missing.

MOO.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 27, 2011, 07:35:25 PM
If any of you guys have twitters.....this is there link...
 ::rhino::
https://twitter.com/#!/kcpolice (https://twitter.com/#!/kcpolice)

Kansas City Police


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 27, 2011, 08:00:46 PM
If any of you guys have twitters.....this is there link...
 ::rhino::
https://twitter.com/#!/kcpolice (https://twitter.com/#!/kcpolice)

Kansas City Police

Not that I have anything to hide, but... will they log all our IP numbers, our domains, and search our Twitter account profiles and stuff?

I'm paranoid about these things.

 ::ghost::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 27, 2011, 08:18:40 PM
If any of you guys have twitters.....this is there link...
 ::rhino::
https://twitter.com/#!/kcpolice (https://twitter.com/#!/kcpolice)

Kansas City Police

Not that I have anything to hide, but... will they log all our IP numbers, our domains, and search our Twitter account profiles and stuff?

I'm paranoid about these things.

 ::ghost::


Not sure, think only twitters does...
I have nothing on my profile pages on anything...
I also went to there fb page.....and hit like...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 27, 2011, 08:34:46 PM
Lisa Irwin: HLN 10/27/11
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/1/Lusfdm2hcek
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/0R4wC3L6wKE


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 27, 2011, 08:47:44 PM
http://empathysinsights.blogspot.com/




Very interesting to read...dont know if i believe any of it or not, but its interesting....


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: StarMonkey on October 27, 2011, 09:01:15 PM
check this out ...from Justice for Lisa Irwin Facebook!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-for-Lisa-Irwin/290185081005988

(http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee509/Sallie1233/ascscsv.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Catbert on October 27, 2011, 09:06:55 PM
http://empathysinsights.blogspot.com/




Very interesting to read...dont know if i believe any of it or not, but its interesting....

VERY!  Interesting


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cookie on October 27, 2011, 09:07:48 PM
strange..this family needs to 'rest' from all of this, the media attention etc..while we have another missing child, Jhessey Shockley whose grand mother would love all of the attention for her missing grand child..doesn't seem like this grandmother  is resting while Jhessey is missing..she is doing every thing she can to get the word out about her missing grand child.. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

and, why haven't any of the grand parents of Lisa spoken out? no one really has have they??? strange is all I can say..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: StarMonkey on October 27, 2011, 09:18:33 PM
check this out ...from Justice for Lisa Irwin Facebook!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-for-Lisa-Irwin/290185081005988

(http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee509/Sallie1233/ascscsv.jpg)

The person running this page must be in the family they have pics on there I've never seen of the kids and Debbie


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2011, 09:19:41 PM
I wouldn't put too much faith on the sightings.

Some people think that all things are about them, and they can't wait to inject themselves on a big story, even if their testimony can put the case in jeopardy. Some people do it out of the willingness to help, and innocently concoct stories just because they are convinced they saw something.

The times of the first sighting keep chancing. Some say 12:00am, some 12:15am, 12:30am, 12:35am, 1:15am, 1:30am, etc... The time discrepancies may have to do with who published the incident, the reporter who wrote down the story, and how each media outlet staff understood the story.

The first sighting facts are something else. On October 4th, the woman gave many interviews and each of her recollections was about her husband coming home from work and seeing the man with the baby. She at no time claimed to have seen the event, she recalled what her husband had told her.

Then in the latest interviews this woman is saying that both she and her husband saw the incident, and she gives details as if she saw it herself. She now says her husband was "going" to work, instead of coming home from work.

The 2:15am "sighting" could be put to rest, because the surveillance picture is so bad that even if a kidnapper was caught in the video, he/she could not be identified. It's hard to tell if the image is from a man, woman, and whether the person is carrying a baby or not. The captions said he was seen coming out of the woods, but there are many homes in all the streets around the area, he could've been out for any reason.

The 4:00am is also discountable. The gentleman claimed it was 45degrees that morning, when the temperature was quoted here being at around 60 degrees. The witness says he saw the man walking up Randolph Road, most possibly going North (Thompson said he exited on 48th St. coming South on Hwy 435). He was going West on the right lanes, the man walking up Randolph was on the other side of the road, so how well did he see the guy.

Yet, he gave LE a description and identified the person on the sketch as Jersey. He reported the incident a week after, and he identified the man after Jersey was in custody.

So, did he identify him as Jersey because he is convinced that Jersey has done it?

There hasn't been ONE person who has come out and said something that speaks of truthfulness. Even with the new $100,000 reward nobody is coming forth. The economy is bad and a few people who know what happened should be spilling their guts about what happened, even if just for the money. Yet, nobody is coming forth.

If I were LE, I may check all the alibis for the 24 hours BEFORE they reported Lisa missing.

MOO.


Itaryl Moosee

Up to the revelation that neighbor Maria watched the children when Debbie and her brother were at the store and ... up to the revelation that neighbor Maria was present when Debbie put baby Lisa to bed at 6:40 pm ... I embraced the theory that something bad happened in the hours prior to Jeremy leaving the residence for his workplace at 5:20 PM.

I now contend that three witness cannot be wrong in regards to observations that took place at 12:15 PM and 04:00 PM ... observations that a male of the same stature and appearance of Jeremy was walking the streets in a T-shirt with an unclothed baby in his arms.

Unless official confirmation is forthcoming which implies that Jeremy was at his workplace at the 2:15 AM and 04:00 AM sightings ... I cannot move on in my speculations.

Until the truth is revealed ... speculation is where it is at.

If I am wrong in my speculations that Debbie and Jeremy were participants in the demise and/or disappearance of baby Lisa ... I would eat an entire humble pie while rejoicing.

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cookie on October 27, 2011, 09:20:38 PM
interesting StarMonkey..thanks..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2011, 09:22:52 PM
#63

workplace at the 2:15 AM  s/b workplace at the 12:15 AM


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 27, 2011, 09:27:49 PM
I went and looked again at the pictures of baby Lisa that was taken two days before her disapearance at her step brothers 8th birthday party and I wish I knew how to post them here in the forum because it shows her alot better as far as her weight and stuff but sadly I dont know how to do that.....Anyway, God Bless baby Lisa wherever she is!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: StarMonkey on October 27, 2011, 09:28:30 PM
interesting StarMonkey..thanks..

I've been wondering about that 230 call,also wonder about the grand jury and if they will have parents arrested at some point.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 27, 2011, 09:28:44 PM
I just looked at the pictures of baby Lisa at a birthday party 2 days before she came up missing and she must have gotten sick really fast because she looks so adorable in those pictures and not sick at all...

Babies get sick quick -- high temps can come on in a flash.  Everything with babies happens quickly.   That is why no mother/caretaker has any business allowing themselves the luxury of getting drunk while on duty.   The height of irresponsibility.
Yep...your right...and in the birthday pictures her Mother is no where around....well not in the pictures anyways.....but Lisa sure is cute as a button........There is something seriously wrong with DB and I cant believe being exhausted even fell out her mouth while her baby is missing!!!

She may have been taking the pictures, and I agree, babies can wake up in the morning, or in the middle of the night with a high temp that was unexpected.   I am not defending DB, I do not know if she was involved, but I can certainly understand her being mentally, physically, and emotionally exhausted.  We are all different, and react differently.  She may have been advised to take a few days of rest to recharge.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 27, 2011, 09:32:44 PM
I just looked at the pictures of baby Lisa at a birthday party 2 days before she came up missing and she must have gotten sick really fast because she looks so adorable in those pictures and not sick at all...

Babies get sick quick -- high temps can come on in a flash.  Everything with babies happens quickly.   That is why no mother/caretaker has any business allowing themselves the luxury of getting drunk while on duty.   The height of irresponsibility.
Yep...your right...and in the birthday pictures her Mother is no where around....well not in the pictures anyways.....but Lisa sure is cute as a button........There is something seriously wrong with DB and I cant believe being exhausted even fell out her mouth while her baby is missing!!!

She may have been taking the pictures, and I agree, babies can wake up in the morning, or in the middle of the night with a high temp that was unexpected.   I am not defending DB, I do not know if she was involved, but I can certainly understand her being mentally, physically, and emotionally exhausted.  We are all different, and react differently.  She may have been advised to take a few days of rest to recharge.
Maybe she has been advised to do that but if my child was missing it wouldnt do a bit of good for anyone to advise me to rest....no way..not as long as my child wasnt in my arms there wouldnt be any resting...imo


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Catbert on October 27, 2011, 09:32:53 PM
I just looked at the pictures of baby Lisa at a birthday party 2 days before she came up missing and she must have gotten sick really fast because she looks so adorable in those pictures and not sick at all...

Babies get sick quick -- high temps can come on in a flash.  Everything with babies happens quickly.   That is why no mother/caretaker has any business allowing themselves the luxury of getting drunk while on duty.   The height of irresponsibility.
Yep...your right...and in the birthday pictures her Mother is no where around....well not in the pictures anyways.....but Lisa sure is cute as a button........There is something seriously wrong with DB and I cant believe being exhausted even fell out her mouth while her baby is missing!!!

She may have been taking the pictures, and I agree, babies can wake up in the morning, or in the middle of the night with a high temp that was unexpected.   I am not defending DB, I do not know if she was involved, but I can certainly understand her being mentally, physically, and emotionally exhausted.  We are all different, and react differently.  She may have been advised to take a few days of rest to recharge.

I do get what you are saying, but I can't imagine a mother who wouldn't be doing everything publically to get her baby back.  I'd risk going to jail forever because not finding my baby would be worse than that.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2011, 09:38:05 PM
Could it be that Debbie and Jeremy have seen the writing on the wall and ... that is the reason they are no longer speaking with the media and ... cancelled the media showing of their house and media conference scheduled for today.

In other words ... exhaustion is not the issue.

Janet

++++++


ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Aired October 25, 2011 - 19:00:00   ET


<snipped>

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is it true that you`re getting paid to avoid local reporters?

BRADLEY: Not at all.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then why won`t you talk to us?

BRADLEY: Because we`re grieving.
 
(END VIDEO CLIP)

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/25/ijvm.01.html


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2011, 10:06:52 PM
Thanks to all for posting updates, insights, research and images.

Somehow ... I believe that justice will prevail for baby Lisa.

Coult it be that investigators are behind the scenes connecting the dots and ... arrests will be forthcoming?

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
7:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 27, 2011, 10:08:11 PM
MuffyBee

Thanks for editing my typos.

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2011, 10:13:19 PM
MuffyBee

Thanks for editing my typos.

Janet

You're welcome Janet.  ::bee::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 27, 2011, 10:51:14 PM
I think the police said that they searched the area today because it's an area near Lisa's home that needed searching, but me thinks that it had to do more with the area being in the way to where mom bought he wine.

The article says the area is near Festival Foods, and two miles from the Irwin home.

So, does the police suspect that Lisa was disposed of while buying the wine?

Quote
Kansas City police conducted the search in the area of Interstate 35 and Chouteau Trafficway near a Target store. The search concluded just before 1 p.m. and no new clues were found, police said.

The area searched is just west of the Festival Foods where the missing baby's mother, Debbie Bradley, bought a box of wine and baby items just before 5 p.m. Oct. 3.
.... and...
Quote
Police said the search wasn't due to a tip and that it was an area near baby Lisa's home that needed to be checked off their list of sites to be searched. The search area is about two miles from the baby's home.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15890133/attorney-postpones-media-tour-of-missing-babys-home



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 27, 2011, 11:02:37 PM
I just looked at the pictures of baby Lisa at a birthday party 2 days before she came up missing and she must have gotten sick really fast because she looks so adorable in those pictures and not sick at all...

Babies get sick quick -- high temps can come on in a flash.  Everything with babies happens quickly.   That is why no mother/caretaker has any business allowing themselves the luxury of getting drunk while on duty.   The height of irresponsibility.
Yep...your right...and in the birthday pictures her Mother is no where around....well not in the pictures anyways.....but Lisa sure is cute as a button........There is something seriously wrong with DB and I cant believe being exhausted even fell out her mouth while her baby is missing!!!

She may have been taking the pictures, and I agree, babies can wake up in the morning, or in the middle of the night with a high temp that was unexpected.   I am not defending DB, I do not know if she was involved, but I can certainly understand her being mentally, physically, and emotionally exhausted.  We are all different, and react differently.  She may have been advised to take a few days of rest to recharge.

I do get what you are saying, but I can't imagine a mother who wouldn't be doing everything publically to get her baby back.  I'd risk going to jail forever because not finding my baby would be worse than that.

Thing here is that they may not want her baby found. Why publish pictures of when the baby was 5 or 6 months for her posters, when there were more recent pictures available? Why not post her more recent pictures if they want a fast and correct identification from the public?

All the procrastination having to do with what will happen if the baby is found.

MOO.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 27, 2011, 11:06:48 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/bradkctv5 (http://twitter.com/#!/bradkctv5)
BradKCTV5 Brad Stephens
New developments in the #LisaIrwin case concerning Joe Tacopina and a scheduled police intvw with Lisa's brothers. Details at 10
10 minutes ago


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 27, 2011, 11:07:14 PM
NBCActionNews NBC Action News
JUST IN | Police say Lisa Irwin’s family attorney has canceled Friday's interview with Lisa’s half-brothers pub.vitrue.com/61c (http://pub.vitrue.com/61c)
2 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/NBCActionNews (http://twitter.com/#!/NBCActionNews)



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 27, 2011, 11:09:01 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/bradkctv5 (http://twitter.com/#!/bradkctv5)
BradKCTV5 Brad Stephens
New developments in the #LisaIrwin case concerning Joe Tacopina and a scheduled police intvw with Lisa's brothers. Details at 10
10 minutes ago

I'm guessing the interview will not happen.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on October 27, 2011, 11:09:10 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/family-attorney-cancels-interview-with-lisa-irwins-half-brothers

Family attorney cancels interview with Lisa Irwin's half brothers

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Kansas City police say Joe Tacopina, attorney for Lisa Irwin’s family, has canceled the interview with Lisa’s half-brothers.

It was scheduled for Friday.

It will supposedly be rescheduled for sometime next week.


 ::snipping2::

OS





Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 27, 2011, 11:10:19 PM
NBCActionNews NBC Action News
JUST IN | Police say Lisa Irwin’s family attorney has canceled Friday's interview with Lisa’s half-brothers pub.vitrue.com/61c (http://pub.vitrue.com/61c)
2 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/NBCActionNews (http://twitter.com/#!/NBCActionNews)



Ooops! Should've read.

Anyway, I had suspected it right when the home tour was canceled.

I want to hear the reason why he canceled the boys interview.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 27, 2011, 11:11:53 PM
Hopefully is not that the boys need a rest, too.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 27, 2011, 11:12:55 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/bradkctv5 (http://twitter.com/#!/bradkctv5)
BradKCTV5 Brad Stephens
New developments in the #LisaIrwin case concerning Joe Tacopina and a scheduled police intvw with Lisa's brothers. Details at 10
10 minutes ago

I'm guessing the interview will not happen.


CliffJudy Cliff Judy
KCPD says #LisaIrwin family attorney asked the interview with Lisa's older brothers be moved back to next week. Interview tomorrow cancelled
9 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/cliffjudy (http://twitter.com/#!/cliffjudy)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 27, 2011, 11:15:52 PM
BradKCTV5 Brad Stephens
Atty for #LisaIrwins parents cancels police interview with her brothers.
23 seconds ago http://twitter.com/#!/bradkctv5 (http://twitter.com/#!/bradkctv5)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 27, 2011, 11:19:14 PM
Now that they've canceled everything for the weekend, I wonder if they are even still in town.  I won't be at all surprised to see the entire family on a national network sometime in the next 4 days.  IMO, their actions are not the actions of the innocent.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: mymonkey on October 27, 2011, 11:21:28 PM
The eight year boy must be missing a lot of school..maybe he is home schooled..have not heard anything about  them and school.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 27, 2011, 11:25:39 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/family-attorney-cancels-interview-with-lisa-irwins-half-brothers
Family attorney cancels interview with Lisa Irwin's half brothers
Posted: 9:58 PM
Last Updated: 7 minutes ago

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Kansas City police say Joe Tacopina, attorney for Lisa Irwin’s family, has canceled an interview with Lisa’s half-brothers.

It was scheduled for Friday. It will supposedly be rescheduled for sometime next week.

Lisa’s half-brothers were to be interviewed for the first time since the day the 11-month-old girl disappeared.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/family-attorney-cancels-interview-with-lisa-irwins-half-brothers#ixzz1c2jfvT5O


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 27, 2011, 11:26:04 PM
I don't want to bump my own message, but I'll repeat the theory in case someone missed it.

The search today was next door to the Festival Foods, and two miles from the Irwin residence. Police said it was an area close to the Irwin residence that needed to be searched, but it was closer to the place she bought the wine than to the home.

The underlying message being that police are being sneaky.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 27, 2011, 11:26:52 PM
 :2brickwall:


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: newfie on October 27, 2011, 11:30:04 PM
Hi all, it has been awhile since I have posted. School and bummed about the whole Casey Saga. One question keeps gnawing at me though, if the sightings were accurate, and baby Lisa was being carried around by a man in only a diaper, why would the abducter take the time to take her clothes off? She went to bed in clothing yet sightings claim other. Why were her clothes taken off and when? What happened that the clothes needed to be discarded? Also if someone was abducting a sleeping child wouldn't they have taken the blanket along with them? Have a good one!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 27, 2011, 11:32:11 PM
:2brickwall:

What happened?


My daughter used to have nightmares with this:
 ::witch2:: ::witch2:: ::witch2:: ::witch2:: ::witch2:: ::witch2:: ::witch2:: ::witch2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: BlueBob on October 27, 2011, 11:37:10 PM
Klaasend, I have been gone so long I don't know how to PM you - have something I would like to send you on this case.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 27, 2011, 11:37:58 PM
Hi all, it has been awhile since I have posted. School and bummed about the whole Casey Saga. One question keeps gnawing at me though, if the sightings were accurate, and baby Lisa was being carried around by a man in only a diaper, why would the abducter take the time to take her clothes off? She went to bed in clothing yet sightings claim other. Why were her clothes taken off and when? What happened that the clothes needed to be discarded? Also if someone was abducting a sleeping child wouldn't they have taken the blanket along with them? Have a good one!

Good questions.

Nobody has the correct answers to that.

The fire was a known fact since the morning of the disappearance. so, I think that when the sighters knew there had been a fire, the obvious thought is that the baby's clothes were burned, so the baby had no clothes.

Again, why burn her clothes? Even if she threw up, or was soiled, keeping her clothes instead of discarding them seems a better choice. I mean, the clothes could lead LE to the kidnappers route.

Just my opinion.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 27, 2011, 11:41:06 PM
Well, well, well, the interview between the cops and the boys is off.  Big surprise.
 ::MonkeyDevil2::

These parents have no intention of finding their child. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 27, 2011, 11:42:07 PM
Klaasend, I have been gone so long I don't know how to PM you - have something I would like to send you on this case.
I am not even 1% of her, but I believe her email is smklaasend@hotmail.com ... somebody should quickly correct me if I am wrong.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 27, 2011, 11:52:55 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/307804_290237544334075_290185081005988_1089972_1436760507_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on October 28, 2011, 12:02:29 AM
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/10/timeline-of-baby-lisa-case-by-is

abelle.html?m=1 (http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/10/timeline-of-baby-lisa-case-by-is

abelle.html?m=1)

Thursday, October 27, 2011
TimeLine of Baby Lisa Case by Isabelle Zehnder
The following is the result of hours of labor and will likely be a critical piece of information for the Grand Jury
:

Detailed Timeline Weeks 1-3: Missing Baby Lisa Irwin case


KANSAS CITY, Missouri (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) -- Below is a timeline of the first three weeks of Baby Lisa Irwin's disappearance from her home in Kansas City, Missouri.
Baby Lisa's parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, say their baby was abducted from her crib sometime between the time Deborah put her to bed at 6:40 p.m. Oct. 3 and the time Jeremy came home after working his first overnight shift at 4 a.m. Oct. 4.

 ::snipping2::

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 28, 2011, 12:08:48 AM
I just looked at the pictures of baby Lisa at a birthday party 2 days before she came up missing and she must have gotten sick really fast because she looks so adorable in those pictures and not sick at all...

Where can we view these pics?



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 28, 2011, 12:09:47 AM
I don't want to bump my own message, but I'll repeat the theory in case someone missed it.

The search today was next door to the Festival Foods, and two miles from the Irwin residence. Police said it was an area close to the Irwin residence that needed to be searched, but it was closer to the place she bought the wine than to the home.

The underlying message being that police are being sneaky.



Sneaky?  What do you mean?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2011, 12:23:41 AM
Klaasend, I have been gone so long I don't know how to PM you - have something I would like to send you on this case.

BlueBob
, good to see you!  You can't PM but you can email me at smklaas@hotmail.com



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on October 28, 2011, 02:02:18 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/27/3233889/interviews-of-baby-lisas-young.html

Interviews of Baby Lisa’s young brothers on hold

By ALAN BAVLEY and DONALD BRADLEY
The Kansas City Star
Mike Ransdell

Today’s planned interviews of Lisa Irwin’s two brothers has been postponed.

It may never happen now, because the case took a bizarre turn late Thursday as two attorneys for the family appeared to be in open conflict.

Kansas City attorney Cyndy Short said she had heard reports that New York lawyer Joe Tacopina had fired her from the case.


“He’s not in a position to fire anyone,” Short told The Star. “I work for the client, not him.”

Police told The Star’s reporting partner, KCTV-5, that Tacopina indicated the much-anticipated interviews with the brothers might happen next week.

Tacopina declined comment to The Star.

But Short said that if she has her way, the interviews with the brothers, ages 8 and 5, would likely never happen — for the sake of the boys and the case. The brothers were interviewed earlier, and she’s worried about additional trauma to them.

“I’ve done research and see more potential for harm than good with the interview,” Short said late Thursday. “It won’t happen tomorrow and maybe never.”

But if it does happen, the interviewer would face special challenges with subjects so young.

“You have to be very careful about the questions you ask and the words you use,” said Erin Miller Weiss, a social worker and forensic interviewer who is not involved in the Irwin case.

 ::snipping2::

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 28, 2011, 05:56:12 AM
NBCActionNews NBC Action News
JUST IN | Police say Lisa Irwin’s family attorney has canceled Friday's interview with Lisa’s half-brothers pub.vitrue.com/61c (http://pub.vitrue.com/61c)
2 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/NBCActionNews (http://twitter.com/#!/NBCActionNews)

Now why am I surprised....NOT
JMO, those boys hold the key to this investigation. :smt102
Like in Elizabeth Smarts case, her sister had info that cracked the case.

This is very upsetting.... :gaah:


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 28, 2011, 05:57:06 AM
Sorry, I got in your box....need more coffee... ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 28, 2011, 06:00:23 AM
morning monkeys,im going to try and catch up,but the last 6 pg are disturbing,
i sure hope monday dosent bring a, headline reading

irwins have left the state and moved to.....


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 28, 2011, 06:15:49 AM
i remember someone saying if DB harmed lisa the child would be within
3-5 mile of home,i looked at some pks awhile back,and this pk is 3m W
of home and a fairly,easy route

3620 N Lister Ave, Kansas City, MO 64117
to
river view greenway kansas city mo
NE Parvin Rd  3.0 mi, 10 mins
http://g.co/maps/ecs72


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 28, 2011, 06:36:14 AM
i remember someone saying if DB harmed lisa the child would be within
3-5 mile of home,i looked at some pks awhile back,and this pk is 3m W
of home and a fairly,easy route

3620 N Lister Ave, Kansas City, MO 64117
to
river view greenway kansas city mo
NE Parvin Rd  3.0 mi, 10 mins
http://g.co/maps/ecs72

Tks for the map.
If you make it bigger, you can see the Missouri River is SO close to there house.      ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Mary on October 28, 2011, 06:38:04 AM
This is not right! How can they cancel at the last minute. O.K. Can the Bio dad step into this.
Does the one bio dad have the right to step into this. I know that he pays for health care,
but does he also pay support. I can't help but think that bio dad and Armed forces can't help
step into this. Can they say she lost one child on her watch and the bio dad does not want to
lose another.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 28, 2011, 07:29:57 AM
a twit pic amber alert for lisa,under the pic it says...., so DB told LE the nite they reported
lisa missing it was 10:30pm,when she last saw lisa
so did she put her to bed at that time or was it the 6:40 time

twit pic text
Another image: Amber Alert. Lisa Irwin a 10-month infant abducted from her home in KC. Last seen 10/3 at 10:30pm.

http://twitpic.com/6v1mg6 (http://twitpic.com/6v1mg6)

kc LE twit
http://twitter.com/#!/kcpolice (http://twitter.com/#!/kcpolice)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 07:39:39 AM
Lisa's siblings were to be interviewed about her disappearance on Friday. The interview was abruptly cancelled by the Irwin's New York attorney, Joe Tacopina, on Thursday night.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 6:17 AM
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/28/dff937f3-1524-46c6-ae5b-3221d0e92e2f_400.jpg)

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c4jlI595


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 07:41:05 AM
Well, well, well, the interview between the cops and the boys is off.  Big surprise.
 ::MonkeyDevil2::

These parents have no intention of finding their child. 
I am furious with these people.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 07:46:04 AM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/10/28/lisa-irwin-case-brothers-to-be-interviewed-preempted-by-legal-catfight/
Lisa Irwin case: Brothers to be interviewed, preempted by legal catfight?
Posted on October 28, 2011 by Valhall


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 07:49:13 AM
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011/10/28/2247441/interviews-with-lisa-irwins-brothers.html
POSTED: Friday, Oct. 28, 2011
Interviews with Lisa Irwin's brothers postponed
Alan Bavley and Donald Bradley - The Kansas City Star

Today’s planned interviews of Lisa Irwin’s two brothers has been postponed.

It may never happen now, because the case took a bizarre turn late Thursday as two attorneys for the family appeared to be in open conflict.

Kansas City attorney Cyndy Short said she had heard reports that New York lawyer Joe Tacopina had fired her from the case.

He’s not in a position to fire anyone,” Short told The Star. “I work for the client, not him.”

Police told The Star’s reporting partner, KCTV-5, that Tacopina indicated the much-anticipated interviews with the brothers might happen next week.

Tacopina declined comment to The Star.

But Short said that if she has her way, the interviews with the brothers, ages 8 and 5, would likely never happen — for the sake of the boys and the case. The brothers were interviewed earlier, and she’s worried about additional trauma to them.

“I’ve done research and see more potential for harm than good with the interview,” Short said late Thursday. “It won’t happen tomorrow and maybe never.”


Read more: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011/10/28/2247441/interviews-with-lisa-irwins-brothers.html#ixzz1c4mJYwDZ




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 07:59:51 AM
ABC News: Kansas City attorney Cyndy Short has been forced off the case.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 6:5

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c4p32PJ4


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: suzyinpgh on October 28, 2011, 08:06:19 AM
I have GMA on in the background.  I'm trying to find a link, but I heard something about a woman who received a call from one of the missing phones.  I'm pretty sure that's what I heard.  I'm trying to find the video of that segment.  I hope this isn't old news.   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 08:06:46 AM
ABC News reported on Friday morning that Short was forced off the case overnight. No other details were released.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 6:59 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c4qqS5vG


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Serenity on October 28, 2011, 08:07:02 AM
Maybe DB wants to grill her sons first to see what they know.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Fanta on October 28, 2011, 08:10:07 AM
Maybe DB wants to grill her sons first to see what they know.
The word 'grill' in that sentence is very scary.
I'm so frustrated with that 'mother' and 'father' I'm about to throw logic out the window (screen dare I say) and lay suspicion on them for anything and everything.

:(


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 08:10:45 AM
I have GMA on in the background.  I'm trying to find a link, but I heard something about a woman who received a call from one of the missing phones.  I'm pretty sure that's what I heard.  I'm trying to find the video of that segment.  I hope this isn't old news.   ::MonkeyShocked::
::rhino::  Maybe the video will be up soon.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 08:14:52 AM
Saw this posted over at Justice Quest. #1016   http://96.126.114.52/~toby/forums/showthread.php?t=58880&page=34
on GMA:
parents will not let LE question boys
all family and attorneys are managing to do is duck the tough questions, per LE (says reporter)
boys were to be interviewed by specialist, not LEO
interview with megan wright who got call from one of the cellphones the night Lisa went missing
says she didn't know family, had been through neighborhood before but had never seen Lisa
she doesn't know who called or why.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2011, 08:16:17 AM
Klaasend, I have been gone so long I don't know how to PM you - have something I would like to send you on this case.

BlueBob
, good to see you!  You can't PM but you can email me at smklaas@hotmail.com



I see Klaasend has replied to your post BlueBob, but I wanted to say "Hi" and it's good to see you.  ::bee::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: suzyinpgh on October 28, 2011, 08:19:49 AM
Saw this posted over at Justice Quest. #1016   http://96.126.114.52/~toby/forums/showthread.php?t=58880&page=34
on GMA:
parents will not let LE question boys
all family and attorneys are managing to do is duck the tough questions, per LE (says reporter)
boys were to be interviewed by specialist, not LEO
interview with megan wright who got call from one of the cellphones the night Lisa went missing
says she didn't know family, had been through neighborhood before but had never seen Lisa
she doesn't know who called or why.

Thanks Trimm.  I'm glad you found it. because I couldn't.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: labubske on October 28, 2011, 08:22:05 AM
Saw this posted over at Justice Quest. #1016   http://96.126.114.52/~toby/forums/showthread.php?t=58880&page=34
on GMA:
parents will not let LE question boys
all family and attorneys are managing to do is duck the tough questions, per LE (says reporter)
boys were to be interviewed by specialist, not LEO
interview with megan wright who got call from one of the cellphones the night Lisa went missing
says she didn't know family, had been through neighborhood before but had never seen Lisa
she doesn't know who called or why.

Hmmm...that is interesting that this Megan received a call from one of the cellphones.  I wonder if her number is just similar to someone that the Irwin family knows...or if someone that knows Megan kidnapped Lisa?  Wow so many questions.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2011, 08:23:54 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander)

PeterAlexander Peter Alexander
KCPD: #LisaIrwin family atty cancels re-interviews w Lisa's brothers & JohnWalsh of @1800CRIMETV this am @TodayShow.
2 hours ago


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 08:26:51 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29612215/detail.html
Report: KC Attorney Forced Off Baby Lisa Case
Interviews With Lisa's Siblings Also Canceled
POSTED: 7:04 am CDT October 28, 2011
UPDATED: 7:09 am CDT October 28, 2011

 ::snipping2::
ABC News reported on Friday morning that Short was forced off the case overnight. No other details were released.

News of Short's firing came hours after Joe Tacopina, the New York attorney representing Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, abruptly canceled an interview that was supposed to take place with baby Lisa's siblings. The two boys were scheduled to be interviewed by a child expert on Friday. Deborah Bradley has said the boys were inside the home the night baby Lisa disappeared.

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29612215/detail.html#ixzz1c4vqPWj6



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 28, 2011, 08:27:38 AM
Saw this posted over at Justice Quest. #1016   http://96.126.114.52/~toby/forums/showthread.php?t=58880&page=34
on GMA:
parents will not let LE question boys
all family and attorneys are managing to do is duck the tough questions, per LE (says reporter)
boys were to be interviewed by specialist, not LEO
interview with megan wright who got call from one of the cellphones the night Lisa went missing
says she didn't know family, had been through neighborhood before but had never seen Lisa
she doesn't know who called or why.

Hmmm...that is interesting that this Megan received a call from one of the cellphones.  I wonder if her number is just similar to someone that the Irwin family knows...or if someone that knows Megan kidnapped Lisa?  Wow so many questions.

Hmmm.. I thought the cell phones were not working due to non payment..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2011, 08:27:44 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/28/justice/missouri-missing-girl/
Interview with missing Missouri baby's brothers canceled
October 28, 2011

KANSAS CITY, Missouri (CNN) -- Attorneys for the family of a missing Missouri toddler canceled a Friday interview between the police and her two older brothers, who were in the house the night she disappeared, authorities said.

The boys, ages 8 and 6, are the half-brothers of 11-month-old Lisa Irwin, who went missing from her home in Kansas City, Missouri, on October 4. They were previously interviewed just after she disappeared, both for under an hour, Kansas City police Capt. Steve Young said.

The "nonconfrontational" re-interview Friday would have been conducted by a child services specialist without a police officer in the room, Young said.

"(It's) not an interrogation," he said. "They are kids, after all."

It was unclear whether the attorneys will reschedule the boys' interviews.
 ::snipping2::
Police also said they are seeking tests on the boys in order to eliminate them from all the DNA found in the home during a police search.

A cadaver dog searching the family's Kansas City home indicated a positive "hit" for the scent of a body, police said.

On that information, Short said law enforcement typically begins such investigations inside the home then, if warranted, the probe moves outside the family.

"We don't know exactly what happened here, so we need to keep broadening the investigation," she said.

Between 30 and 50 investigators, including police and FBI personnel, were involved in the search as of Tuesday, the Kansas City Police Department said. Some 900 tips had been received by investigators, the department said.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 08:29:01 AM
Saw this posted over at Justice Quest. #1016   http://96.126.114.52/~toby/forums/showthread.php?t=58880&page=34
on GMA:
parents will not let LE question boys
all family and attorneys are managing to do is duck the tough questions, per LE (says reporter)
boys were to be interviewed by specialist, not LEO
interview with megan wright who got call from one of the cellphones the night Lisa went missing
says she didn't know family, had been through neighborhood before but had never seen Lisa
she doesn't know who called or why.

Thanks Trimm.  I'm glad you found it. because I couldn't.
YW  ::HelloKitty:: Curious to see what might come from this.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2011, 08:30:24 AM


http://www.kmbc.com/r/29612215/detail.html
Report: KC Attorney Forced Off Baby Lisa Case  
Interviews With Lisa's Siblings Also Canceled

October 28, 2011




KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- ABC News is reporting that Kansas City attorney Cyndy Short is no longer representing the parents of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin.

ABC News reported on Friday morning that Short was forced off the case overnight. No other details were released.

News of Short's firing came hours after Joe Tacopina, the New York attorney representing Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, abruptly canceled an interview that was supposed to take place with baby Lisa's siblings. The two boys were scheduled to be interviewed by a child expert on Friday. Deborah Bradley has said the boys were inside the home the night baby Lisa disappeared.


Tacopina said he would call police next week and reschedule the interview.


 ::snipping2::






Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2011, 08:32:10 AM
Well, well, well.  Now I'm wondering if we're ever going to know what happened to Lisa.  One name:  Joe Tacopina. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Red on October 28, 2011, 08:33:50 AM
Parents of Missing Lisa Irwin Cancel Interview with Baby’s Brothers and Police

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/10/28/parents-of-missing-lisa-irwin-cancel-interview-with-babys-brothers-and-police/

Quote
Why won’t the parents allow the two boys, Lisa’s half brothers, who were home at the time interviewee by police? Chances are, they were not drunk at the time Baby Lisa went missing.

Jeanine Pierro on Fox News reported this morning that attorney Cyndy Short is off the case. This is really starting to not look good. The so-called phone that did not work because the bill had not been paid turned out to be not true. No access to the boys, DNA or separate interviews of the parents. It looks like Joe Tacopina is circling the wagoner and its all about protecting Casey Anthony the parents, not little Lisa Irwin.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2011, 08:38:04 AM
Parents of Missing Lisa Irwin Cancel Interview with Baby’s Brothers and Police

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/10/28/parents-of-missing-lisa-irwin-cancel-interview-with-babys-brothers-and-police/

Quote
Why won’t the parents allow the two boys, Lisa’s half brothers, who were home at the time interviewee by police? Chances are, they were not drunk at the time Baby Lisa went missing.

Jeanine Pierro on Fox News reported this morning that attorney Cyndy Short is off the case. This is really starting to not look good. The so-called phone that did not work because the bill had not been paid turned out to be not true. No access to the boys, DNA or separate interviews of the parents. It looks like Joe Tacopina is circling the wagoner and its all about protecting Casey Anthony the parents, not little Lisa Irwin.

Thank you Red. Sadly I agree with you on all points. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2011, 08:41:00 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15896385/interivews-with-baby-lisas-brothers-scrapped
Interviews with Baby Lisa's brothers scrapped
October 27, 2011

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin have canceled plans for a trained specialist to interview their two sons about the disappearance of their missing daughter.

The 5- and 8-year-old half brothers were scheduled to be interviewed for a second time Friday. The specialist was also to take DNA samples from the boys.

But Kansas City police said about 10 p.m. Thursday that those interviews were off at the request of Joe Tacopina, the New York attorney who is representing Bradley and Irwin.

Darin Snapp, spokesman for the Kansas City Police Department, said that Tacopina did not give a reason. Tacopina indicated that the interviews would be rescheduled for next week and police hope that occurs, Snapp said.

Police have said they needed the two boys to answer questions about what they saw and heard in the hours in which their sister went missing from her Northland home more than three weeks ago. Police had sought the boys' DNA in an effort to compare it against DNA collected from the home.
 ::snipping2::
The boys were initially interviewed by a trained specialist in the hours immediately after their sister went missing and an Amber Alert was in place for the Kansas City area.

The cancellation of the interviews comes the same day that the Kansas City area attorney for the couple called off a news conference and a tour of their home. Kansas City police also helped lead a two-hour search of a nearby pond Thursday, but turned up nothing.
 ::snipping2::
No suspects have been identified publicly by police.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: monkalicious on October 28, 2011, 08:47:46 AM
Parents of Missing Lisa Irwin Cancel Interview with Baby’s Brothers and Police

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/10/28/parents-of-missing-lisa-irwin-cancel-interview-with-babys-brothers-and-police/

Quote
Why won’t the parents allow the two boys, Lisa’s half brothers, who were home at the time interviewee by police? Chances are, they were not drunk at the time Baby Lisa went missing.

Jeanine Pierro on Fox News reported this morning that attorney Cyndy Short is off the case. This is really starting to not look good. The so-called phone that did not work because the bill had not been paid turned out to be not true. No access to the boys, DNA or separate interviews of the parents. It looks like Joe Tacopina is circling the wagoner and its all about protecting Casey Anthony the parents, not little Lisa Irwin.

Thank you Red. Sadly I agree with you on all points. 
Ditto.   There is something horribly wrong with this picture.    The cell phone issue has always bothered me.   What a bizarre detail...3 cell phones taken, along with the baby?   Wine box drunkie Mom?    Let's hope the cancellation of interviews, lawyer firing, means that LE has something tangible.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: labubske on October 28, 2011, 08:52:18 AM
Saw this posted over at Justice Quest. #1016   http://96.126.114.52/~toby/forums/showthread.php?t=58880&page=34
on GMA:
parents will not let LE question boys
all family and attorneys are managing to do is duck the tough questions, per LE (says reporter)
boys were to be interviewed by specialist, not LEO
interview with megan wright who got call from one of the cellphones the night Lisa went missing
says she didn't know family, had been through neighborhood before but had never seen Lisa
she doesn't know who called or why.

Hmmm...that is interesting that this Megan received a call from one of the cellphones.  I wonder if her number is just similar to someone that the Irwin family knows...or if someone that knows Megan kidnapped Lisa?  Wow so many questions.

Hmmm.. I thought the cell phones were not working due to non payment..

Yes Jerseygirl...you are right.  I didn't even think about that.  WoW!  This stuff makes NO sense.  Surely they don't have people that they know but aren't close trying to set up a defense for them.  Or...are there really people out there trying to insert themselves into this circus?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Blonde on October 28, 2011, 08:59:02 AM
I went and looked again at the pictures of baby Lisa that was taken two days before her disapearance at her step brothers 8th birthday party and I wish I knew how to post them here in the forum because it shows her alot better as far as her weight and stuff but sadly I dont know how to do that.....Anyway, God Bless baby Lisa wherever she is!!
I found some for you crankycrankerson had some

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lisa%20Irwin%20%20-MO-/1002113.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lisa%20Irwin%20%20-MO-/1002112.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lisa%20Irwin%20%20-MO-/100211atbrothersBday.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lisa%20Irwin%20%20-MO-/1002111.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 09:04:06 AM
Well, well, well.  Now I'm wondering if we're ever going to know what happened to Lisa.  One name:  Joe Tacopina. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: Poor little Lisa...........


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 09:07:00 AM
The Today Show 10/28/2011
Interview with Baby Lisa’s half brothers cancelled
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45074400#45074400


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 09:12:26 AM
John Walsh on The Today Show 10/28/2011
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45074429#45074429


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 28, 2011, 09:15:38 AM
Saw this posted over at Justice Quest. #1016   http://96.126.114.52/~toby/forums/showthread.php?t=58880&page=34
on GMA:
parents will not let LE question boys
all family and attorneys are managing to do is duck the tough questions, per LE (says reporter)
boys were to be interviewed by specialist, not LEO
interview with megan wright who got call from one of the cellphones the night Lisa went missing
says she didn't know family, had been through neighborhood before but had never seen Lisa
she doesn't know who called or why.

Hmmm...that is interesting that this Megan received a call from one of the cellphones.  I wonder if her number is just similar to someone that the Irwin family knows...or if someone that knows Megan kidnapped Lisa?  Wow so many questions.

Wonder if db/ji know this person....
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 09:17:52 AM
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/thumb/10/30009131086.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/524226/636352)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 28, 2011, 09:21:52 AM
since this megan wright knows its the irwin phone im guessing it is from the
caller id feature,not looking good for DB IMO

i found a megan wright,if this is her, the local is near a big park with water
and 2.4m from DB

a Megan Wright @ white pgs
http://www.whitepages.com/name/Megan-Wright/Kansas-City-MO/6gz7hww
map home
http://g.co/maps/r24c7

map of pk near megan wright
http://www.recreationparks.net/MO/clay/lakewood-park-kansas-city



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: labubske on October 28, 2011, 09:26:49 AM
Saw this posted over at Justice Quest. #1016   http://96.126.114.52/~toby/forums/showthread.php?t=58880&page=34
on GMA:
parents will not let LE question boys
all family and attorneys are managing to do is duck the tough questions, per LE (says reporter)
boys were to be interviewed by specialist, not LEO
interview with megan wright who got call from one of the cellphones the night Lisa went missing
says she didn't know family, had been through neighborhood before but had never seen Lisa
she doesn't know who called or why.

Hmmm...that is interesting that this Megan received a call from one of the cellphones.  I wonder if her number is just similar to someone that the Irwin family knows...or if someone that knows Megan kidnapped Lisa?  Wow so many questions.

Wonder if db/ji know this person....
 ::MonkeyEek::

I am missing all of the obvious questions this morning...maybe I need to go back to bed. That should have been my first questions...do they know Megan?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 28, 2011, 09:40:15 AM
Taco Joe will have a difficult time spinning this, imo. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Fanta on October 28, 2011, 09:58:19 AM
since this megan wright knows its the irwin phone im guessing it is from the
caller id feature,not looking good for DB IMO

i found a megan wright,if this is her, the local is near a big park with water
and 2.4m from DB

a Megan Wright @ white pgs
http://www.whitepages.com/name/Megan-Wright/Kansas-City-MO/6gz7hww
map home
http://g.co/maps/r24c7

map of pk near megan wright
http://www.recreationparks.net/MO/clay/lakewood-park-kansas-city



The video said detectives 'tracked her down'???  I know nothing about cell phones just saying what I heard... 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Fanta on October 28, 2011, 10:01:45 AM
Sorry, I can't figure out how to post an image.  There's 2 from the Nancy Grace show I'd like to post.  I probably shouldn't they're so gross, but still.
Can I post from my computer or does it have to be another source?
If so, I'm lost, I captured the photos from the video here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/zmA79tAW5z8 (http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/zmA79tAW5z8)

Go to minute 21:22 and up.

It's horrible.  I can't even imagine how anyone could do this to the pic of poor little baby Lisa.  :(

Hold on.  Don't post any of the pictures.  It's okay to leave your youtube link for now.  Let's see what Klaasend says.  Keep in mind though that if you ever have any doubt about posting a victim's picture or you think it's "gross" you should wait and ask to see if they're appropriate to post.  Thanks.  MB


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: goodnmad on October 28, 2011, 10:12:11 AM
My thoughts this morning -- that when DB and JI say DB "jumped" out of bed when her asked where is Lisa -- maybe she rolled over on Lisa and when JI woke her she realized this and jumped out of bed. Tragic and still doesn't explain the need to lie. I hate to think this but more and more something isn't right.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 28, 2011, 10:21:38 AM
Sorry, I can't figure out how to post an image.  There's 2 from the Nancy Grace show I'd like to post.  I probably shouldn't they're so gross, but still.
Can I post from my computer or does it have to be another source?
If so, I'm lost, I captured the photos from the video here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/zmA79tAW5z8 (http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/zmA79tAW5z8)

Go to minute 21:22 and up.

It's horrible.  I can't even imagine how anyone could do this to the pic of poor little baby Lisa.  :(

Hold on.  Don't post any of the pictures.  It's okay to leave your youtube link for now.  Let's see what Klaasend says.  Keep in mind though that if you ever have any doubt about posting a victim's picture or you think it's "gross" you should wait and ask to see if they're appropriate to post.  Thanks.  MB

It appears to me it's the video replaying that's doing that.  It's distorted by replaying it.  Don't think anyone did anything to the picture on purpose. JMO
 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 28, 2011, 10:25:33 AM
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/thumb/10/30009131086.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/524226/636352)

video
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45074429#45074429 (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45074429#45074429)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: tbivens on October 28, 2011, 10:26:31 AM
I think our justice system is lacking on many of these cases.  Since when is it ok for anyone to refuse to talk to police?  Haul their butts in there and arrest them for being stupid.  Or arrest them for hindering a police investigation.  If they don't want to talk then leave there butts in there for a couple of days until they get hungry.  What is wrong with this world?   This is like saying you don't have to stop for a policeman that is trying to pull you over with his blue light going.  "Well, officer, I just didn't feel like pulling over, I was tired and needed to rest" 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Fanta on October 28, 2011, 10:28:39 AM
Sorry, I can't figure out how to post an image.  There's 2 from the Nancy Grace show I'd like to post.  I probably shouldn't they're so gross, but still.
Can I post from my computer or does it have to be another source?
If so, I'm lost, I captured the photos from the video here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/zmA79tAW5z8 (http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/zmA79tAW5z8)

Go to minute 21:22 and up.

It's horrible.  I can't even imagine how anyone could do this to the pic of poor little baby Lisa.  :(

Hold on.  Don't post any of the pictures.  It's okay to leave your youtube link for now.  Let's see what Klaasend says.  Keep in mind though that if you ever have any doubt about posting a victim's picture or you think it's "gross" you should wait and ask to see if they're appropriate to post.  Thanks.  MB

It appears to me it's the video replaying that's doing that.  It's distorted by replaying it.  Don't think anyone did anything to the picture on purpose. JMO
 ::MonkeyTongue::

I hope not.  I took a screen shot of both and they're horrible.
I so hope someone didn't do it on purpose for 'shock' effect.
Thank you!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2011, 10:29:04 AM
Sorry, I can't figure out how to post an image.  There's 2 from the Nancy Grace show I'd like to post.  I probably shouldn't they're so gross, but still.
Can I post from my computer or does it have to be another source?
If so, I'm lost, I captured the photos from the video here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/zmA79tAW5z8 (http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/zmA79tAW5z8)

Go to minute 21:22 and up.

It's horrible.  I can't even imagine how anyone could do this to the pic of poor little baby Lisa.  :(

Hold on.  Don't post any of the pictures.  It's okay to leave your youtube link for now.  Let's see what Klaasend says.  Keep in mind though that if you ever have any doubt about posting a victim's picture or you think it's "gross" you should wait and ask to see if they're appropriate to post.  Thanks.  MB

It appears to me it's the video replaying that's doing that.  It's distorted by replaying it.  Don't think anyone did anything to the picture on purpose. JMO
 ::MonkeyTongue::

I agree with your assessment pharlap.  I   just don't like to see a whole thread hijacked by sensationalism. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: flutter1 on October 28, 2011, 10:29:30 AM
Saw this posted over at Justice Quest. #1016   http://96.126.114.52/~toby/forums/showthread.php?t=58880&page=34
on GMA:
parents will not let LE question boys
all family and attorneys are managing to do is duck the tough questions, per LE (says reporter)
boys were to be interviewed by specialist, not LEO
interview with megan wright who got call from one of the cellphones the night Lisa went missing
says she didn't know family, had been through neighborhood before but had never seen Lisa
she doesn't know who called or why.

Thanks Trimm.  I'm glad you found it. because I couldn't.

If the call was made from one of the three cellphones and this Megan person doesn't know DB or JI, then why only one call?  Usually if you mis-dial (which most of us don't because we use the contacts list from the cell phone), the next thing you do is try the call again, hopefully correctly.  But there was only one call.  Could the person calling been calling from memory and then quit because they knew that the calls could possibly be used against them?  Was the person so stressed out that they forgot a number that they use often but had not saved?  That has happened to me.   ::witch2::  (only three more days is broom-flying season, I am taking advantage of it)



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: goodnmad on October 28, 2011, 10:32:36 AM
IMO - The pics in the NG youtube video have been treated with a photoshop effect -- making pic a negative or something like that. Agree. It is very eerie considering the subject.

Yep.  And I don't see any good from posting them here.  MuffyBee


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: goodnmad on October 28, 2011, 10:33:36 AM
Saw this posted over at Justice Quest. #1016   http://96.126.114.52/~toby/forums/showthread.php?t=58880&page=34
on GMA:
parents will not let LE question boys
all family and attorneys are managing to do is duck the tough questions, per LE (says reporter)
boys were to be interviewed by specialist, not LEO
interview with megan wright who got call from one of the cellphones the night Lisa went missing
says she didn't know family, had been through neighborhood before but had never seen Lisa
she doesn't know who called or why.

Thanks Trimm.  I'm glad you found it. because I couldn't.

If the call was made from one of the three cellphones and this Megan person doesn't know DB or JI, then why only one call?  Usually if you mis-dial (which most of us don't because we use the contacts list from the cell phone), the next thing you do is try the call again, hopefully correctly.  But there was only one call.  Could the person calling been calling from memory and then quit because they knew that the calls could possibly be used against them?  Was the person so stressed out that they forgot a number that they use often but had not saved?  That has happened to me.   ::witch2::  (only three more days is broom-flying season, I am taking advantage of it)



unless someone just called a random number to establish a ping from the "stolen" cellphone???


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: 4myjoey on October 28, 2011, 10:40:46 AM
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011/10/28/2247441/interviews-with-lisa-irwins-brothers.html
POSTED: Friday, Oct. 28, 2011
Interviews with Lisa Irwin's brothers postponed
Alan Bavley and Donald Bradley - The Kansas City Star

Today’s planned interviews of Lisa Irwin’s two brothers has been postponed.

It may never happen now, because the case took a bizarre turn late Thursday as two attorneys for the family appeared to be in open conflict.

Kansas City attorney Cyndy Short said she had heard reports that New York lawyer Joe Tacopina had fired her from the case.

He’s not in a position to fire anyone,” Short told The Star. “I work for the client, not him.”

Police told The Star’s reporting partner, KCTV-5, that Tacopina indicated the much-anticipated interviews with the brothers might happen next week.

Tacopina declined comment to The Star.

But Short said that if she has her way, the interviews with the brothers, ages 8 and 5, would likely never happen — for the sake of the boys and the case. The brothers were interviewed earlier, and she’s worried about additional trauma to them.

“I’ve done research and see more potential for harm than good with the interview,” Short said late Thursday. “It won’t happen tomorrow and maybe never.”


Read more: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011/10/28/2247441/interviews-with-lisa-irwins-brothers.html#ixzz1c4mJYwDZ





WHAT??  What she mean "More potential for harm than good with the interview"


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Fanta on October 28, 2011, 10:42:46 AM
IMO - The pics in the NG youtube video have been treated with a photoshop effect -- making pic a negative or something like that. Agree. It is very eerie considering the subject.

Yep.  And I don't see any good from posting them here.  MuffyBee
I just looked again.  I'll have to stand firm with the (two) pics definitely being 'retouched' especially with the ones before and after being completely normal with no effects at all.  Pretty much a dead giveaway that.

So no, I'll not post here (of course).  Just too disturbing.  Thanks for giving me the heads up.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 10:48:50 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisas-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-14833264?tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=14833092
Baby Lisa's Parents Refuse Sons' Questioning
Latest twist in standoff between Irwin family and police brings more tension.
02:31 | 10/28/2011


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: goodnmad on October 28, 2011, 10:50:21 AM
I have to say the NG show takes things too far too often for me.

And harming the boys? I see no reason why it should harm them to be asked questions. If it helped bring my baby home, there is nothing I would not do. Then again, I wouldn't have been drunk while caring for my baby ... just saying.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 10:52:58 AM
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30010482867.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/524393/716103)

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisas-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-14833264?tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=14833092


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 28, 2011, 11:14:14 AM
Saw this posted over at Justice Quest. #1016   http://96.126.114.52/~toby/forums/showthread.php?t=58880&page=34
on GMA:
parents will not let LE question boys
all family and attorneys are managing to do is duck the tough questions, per LE (says reporter)
boys were to be interviewed by specialist, not LEO
interview with megan wright who got call from one of the cellphones the night Lisa went missing
says she didn't know family, had been through neighborhood before but had never seen Lisa
she doesn't know who called or why.

Thanks Trimm.  I'm glad you found it. because I couldn't.

If the call was made from one of the three cellphones and this Megan person doesn't know DB or JI, then why only one call?  Usually if you mis-dial (which most of us don't because we use the contacts list from the cell phone), the next thing you do is try the call again, hopefully correctly.  But there was only one call.  Could the person calling been calling from memory and then quit because they knew that the calls could possibly be used against them?  Was the person so stressed out that they forgot a number that they use often but had not saved?  That has happened to me.   ::witch2::  (only three more days is broom-flying season, I am taking advantage of it)



Think I got it...
I've phone ppl when I didn't know it, by hitting numbers without knowing til later.  How do I know that, was the police I/phone did it on it's own(hehe) ::MonkeyHaHa::, and they stopped by to see what's up.  If I was ok.
Maybe that's what happened?
 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 28, 2011, 11:25:17 AM
megan wright; 2:38am phone call from Irwin phone.

http://gma.yahoo.com/video/news-26797925/baby-lisa-s-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-27089969.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fnews-26797925%252Fbaby-lisa-s-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-27089969.html

http://www.facebook.com/Juggalette.Skittles?sk=photos#!/Juggalette.Skittles?sk=wall              

????
Mods please remove if not appropriate.

Pink hair?  Jersey's girlfriend?  interviewed 4 x's by LE, pure speculation on my part.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 28, 2011, 11:33:27 AM
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30010482867.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/524393/716103)

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisas-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-14833264?tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=14833092

Good morning Monkey's,

Thank-you, Trimm, for the picture of Megan Wright and the link.

I listened twice, to the snippet with MW, she doesn't know who answered the phone or what was said, (paraphasing).

She mentions her ex BF and her, rode around the neighbor.  It is not clear, when they rode through the area.

Who is the "ex" BF?  TIA





Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Babybear on October 28, 2011, 11:38:35 AM
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30010482867.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/524393/716103)

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisas-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-14833264?tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=14833092

Good morning Monkey's,

Thank-you, Trimm, for the picture of Megan Wright and the link.

I listened twice, to the snippet with MW, she doesn't know who answered the phone or what was said, (paraphasing).

She mentions her ex BF and her, rode around the neighbor.  It is not clear, when they rode through the area.

Who is the "ex" BF?  TIA





Good morning, Monkeys---I had trouble understanding  what this woman was saying so thank you Seahorse for clarifying.  I know when someone answers the phone in my house.  Of course I live alone so I don't think one of my visitors would answer the phone without my knowing.  It just seems strange to me that she doesn't know who answered the phone.  I hope that LE has questioned everyone in her home and determined who actually did answer the phone and what was said.  This gets more strange by the minute.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 11:39:19 AM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/local-attorney-representing-parents-off-lisa-irwin-case#ixzz1c5KxlD5h
Local attorney representing parents off Lisa Irwin case
Posted: 8:38 AM
Last Updated: 24 minutes ago

    By: Aaron Heintzelman

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - The local attorney who had been representing Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin is off the case, her law firm said Friday.

No immediate reason was given for Cyndy Short’s removal, but the McCallister Law Firm said she would be issuing a statement later Friday morning.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/local-attorney-representing-parents-off-lisa-irwin-case#ixzz1c5iDFovG


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2011, 11:41:42 AM
Note:  This article was from 10/25, when Cynthia Short was still the Irwin's attorney.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/25/3229412/legal-dance-with-police-is-part.html 
Legal dance with police in Lisa Irwin case is part of the system
October 25, 2011
 ::snipping2::
...defense lawyers and former investigators said that ongoing negotiations between police and attorneys for the parents of a missing 11-month-old girl over the conditions for more interviews are a routine part of the system.

Last week Cyndy Short, a lawyer for Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, said she was setting boundaries for her clients’ cooperation with police and insisting on ground rules in exchange for additional interviews about the disappearance of Lisa Irwin in early October.

Police have issued public appeals to Bradley and Irwin for separate “unrestricted” interviews to follow up on issues raised at their last formal interrogation on Oct. 8.

Conducting separate interviews is a standard police procedure. Officers even do it at traffic accident scenes, where they pull drivers and witnesses apart to speak to them. So they certainly wouldn’t deviate from the practice in a missing-child case, said Capt. Steve Young, a Kansas City police spokesman.

“We want to know what they have to say on their own,” Young said.


The parents also have refused to allow police to have specially trained social workers reinterview their older children from previous relationships, boys ages 6 and 8 who were at the home when Lisa disappeared.

As a general rule, police do not interview children who are witnesses. Instead, they refer them to a child protection center, where social workers talk to the children. Police are not allowed in the room.

In the Irwin case, social workers talked to one boy for 30 minutes and the other boy for 50 minutes the day Lisa vanished. Police have not been able to send the boys back to the center.


Negotiations between lawyers and police on setting up witness interviews often result in interviews that are less than ideal for both sides, experts said.

Innocent parties may hesitate to be completely honest with police for fear that their statements may be used against them, defense lawyers said.

And with an attorney hovering in the interview room, the interrogation can be stilted and less spontaneous, former investigators said.

“It’s like having a filter between the detective and the person they want to talk to,” said Dave Bernard, a retired Kansas City police homicide detective. “You don’t get a true one-to-one conversation. You have to go through an attorney.”

That tension is a natural part of balancing the rights of those presumed innocent with the obligation of police to vigorously investigate crimes.

“There is a conflict between the role of the police to close a case and bring folks to justice and the rights of the innocent to avoid being railroaded,” said lawyer Dan Ross. “The legitimate purpose of an investigation can be met without threatening a client’s rights against self-incrimination.”

One condition that Short has set on the interviews is that two detectives who previously interviewed Bradley not sit in on any new sessions. That isn’t necessarily a deal-breaker, one former investigator noted.

Retired FBI agent Jeff Lanza said that fresh eyes and a new perspective might make an interview more productive.

“If she trusts someone and would rather speak with them, have at it,” Lanza said. “Let’s throw them in.”

Lanza said the only condition he would reject out of hand is a limitation on a necessary line of questioning.


“What the defense attorney and the couple has to realize is that they are viable suspects in the case,” Lanza said. “Even if they didn’t have anything to do with the disappearance, they are still suspects.”

Defense lawyer Pat Peters said that investigators could consider granting the couple so-called “use” immunity in future interviews. Under such immunity, the subject could not be prosecuted for anything she said during the session unless the investigators could support the charges with information “derived from a legitimate source wholly independent of” what she said during the interview, according to a 1972 Supreme Court ruling.

Without some kind of assurances, Peters said he’d be reluctant to advise Bradley and Irwin to speak with investigators again.

“You want to make sure it’s geared to finding your missing daughter and not so that you can be lambasted again,” Peters said.

But the use of such immunity is relatively rare in the state criminal justice system, Bernard said, and requires the support of prosecutors as well as police.

And investigators would be wary of using immunity unless they already had a clear idea of the subject’s role in the crime, Bernard said. If he was investigating a drive-by shooting, Bernard said he would want to know for certain whether the fellow he was investigating was the driver or the shooter.

“If you’re not sure, the guy could come up and say, ‘Hey, I’m the guy who pulled the trigger,’ and you can’t do anything with it,” Bernard said. “You must be sure about the exact role before you throw the immunity statute at it.”
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on October 28, 2011, 11:42:14 AM
The world focused intently on the Caylee Anthony murder and it went on for years. The principles in Lisa's case all know the longer it drags out the more likely evidence will erode. Every minute counts and now, weeks have gone by.

Every delay reduces the possibility that Lisa will be found AT ALL.

DB/JI's delay tactics remind me of a patient who simply goes from doctor to doctor until they find one that will tell them what they want to hear.

How many attorneys will DB/JI go through? They must have a local attorney of record.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 11:43:10 AM
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/28/baby-lisa-update-parents-cancel-interviews-of-irwins-brothers-lawyer-off-the-case/#more-78323
9:03 am ET October 28, 2011
Baby Lisa Update: Parents Cancel Interviews of Irwin’s Brothers; Lawyer Off the Case
by Fox and Friends Posted in: Baby Lisa, Fox and Friends, Joe Tacopina, Judge Jeanine Pirro, Lisa Irwin, Missing Baby, Missing Missouri Baby   


Judge Jeanine Pirro joined Fox and Friends this morning with the latest in the case of missing Missouri baby Lisa Irwin, who vanished from her crib on October 4.
 ::snipping2::
Video at link.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 28, 2011, 11:50:02 AM
I'm sure LE has by now talked to the lady who got the call, Meghan Wright. The time of the call is VERY close to the time when the text message was sent saying, "ready when you are". Or, was that message meant for Meghan, too?

Like someone said above, we sometimes dial wrong numbers when trying to remember numbers from memory, or when mentally too involved in something else while dialing, or a number dialed at random to create the impression someone else called a partner-in-crime, or something.

Anyone thinking that maybe Jeremy was having an affair, Debbie found out (cause the phone left behind to be programmed) and she got crazy?

One thing we gotta give credit to, if giving credit in a situation like this is conceivable, that whoever did the crime was smart enough to not leave much evidence behind.

Either that, or the evidence left behind is naturally-occurring in the crime scene.

JMO.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2011, 11:51:21 AM
megan wright; 2:38am phone call from Irwin phone.

http://gma.yahoo.com/video/news-26797925/baby-lisa-s-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-27089969.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fnews-26797925%252Fbaby-lisa-s-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-27089969.html

http://www.facebook.com/Juggalette.Skittles?sk=photos#!/Juggalette.Skittles?sk=wall              

????
Mods please remove if not appropriate.

Pink hair?  Jersey's girlfriend?  interviewed 4 x's by LE, pure speculation on my part.

Has Jersey's image appeared in the media.

Janet

++++++

Baby Lisa Witness Re-Interviewed Witness claims he saw a man walking with a baby the night Lisa Irwin vanished.
02:47 | 10/25/2011


Re: Photo Lineup

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisa-police-interview-key-witness-14808369



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 28, 2011, 11:51:29 AM
Did Jersey have a girlfriend?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Terri on October 28, 2011, 11:52:55 AM
Just my two cents worth;

I worked as an investigator for child protective services as well as a supervisor.  In that role I not only interviewed children, I was privy to detective interviews.   I honestly do not think I would ever allow that to happen to one of my children.   I have seen too much, know training and personal bias issues, etc.   I was once part of a specialized team and would not trust any of the specialist; not because they were bad people but because they each unknowingly brought personal bias' to the process.   Bias' influenced by personal history, educational experiences, and allegences to certain trains of thought.   Meetings afterward could be a mutual admiration society for a particluar person, or to oppose an opinion would be like world war three.   

I have also seen those videos on TV where they bring children to tears and lead them.  I have to turn those shows off.

With all that said, I know I would allow immediate interviews with me behind a glass partition IF I could stop the interview if my child was in distress.  I would then go in, comfort and encourage.   I just could not turn my child over to any "specialist"...seen too much.

I do think the parents are not doing enough, something is off.  But I am torn over the interveiwing of the children.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 11:56:38 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15898355/short-forced-off-the-baby-lisa-case
Posted: Oct 28, 2011 7:16 AM CDT Updated: Oct 28, 2011 9:39 AM CDT

Video at link.
 ::snipping2::
Neither Short or Tacopina have not responded to repeated requests for comment. Short has not arrived to her Kansas City office as of 9 a.m. Friday.

KCTV5's Jeanene Kiesling asked baby Lisa's parents, Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, about Short no longer representing them when they returned to a relative's home Thursday night.

"This is the first I've heard of it," Bradley replied. "You know as much as I do."

Short had planned to meet Thursday afternoon with local reporters to discuss the case but abruptly canceled the news conference Thursday morning. Police say Tacopina also scrapped today's interviews by a trained specialists with Lisa's older half brothers.

Lisa's parents called 911 about 4 a.m. Oct. 4 to report that someone had kidnapped their sleeping daughter from her crib in their Northland home.

Refresh this page for updates on this developing story.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 28, 2011, 12:01:29 PM
Well, well, well.  Now I'm wondering if we're ever going to know what happened to Lisa.  One name:  Joe Tacopina. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: Poor little Lisa...........

No kidding ... lost in the shuffle & confusion.   This case is mega - creepy.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 28, 2011, 12:03:00 PM
Taco Joe will have a difficult time spinning this, imo. 

But try he will.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2011, 12:08:01 PM

Has Jersey's image appeared in the media?  If not ... Mike Thompson is not referring to "Jersey" as the person he observed at 4:00 AM the morning baby Lisa was reported missing ... the person carrying an unclothed baby.

Janet

++++++

Baby Lisa Witness Re-Interviewed Witness claims he saw a man walking with a baby the night Lisa Irwin vanished.
02:47 | 10/25/2011


Re: Photo Lineup

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisa-police-interview-key-witness-14808369


Is "Jersey" still in custody?

Janet

+++++

JERSEY

'Jersey', man sought for questioning in Lisa Irwin case, in police custody
Posted: 10/15/2011


<snipped>

Meanwhile a "handyman" nicknamed "Jersey," who was often spotted around Lisa Irwin's neighborhood, is in police custody. "Jersey" was sought by police earlier this week.

He was arrested on an unrelated outstanding warrant.

Police have not charged "Jersey" with a crime, but do say that they are questioning him about Lisa Irwin's disappearance.

<snipped>

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/%22jersey%2C%22-man-sought-for-questioning-in-lisa-irwin-case%2C-in-police-custody



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2011, 12:13:03 PM
Short forced off the baby Lisa case
Posted: Oct 28, 2011 5:16 AM PDT
Updated: Oct 28, 2011 7:39 AM PDT


KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) - Cyndy Short, a Kansas City area attorney, is no longer representing the parents of missing baby Lisa Irwin.

Sources tell KCTV5 that Short was forced off the case Thursday. It is unclear Friday whether that came at the direction of Joe Tacopina, a New York attorney.

Tacopina joined the case last week.

Neither Short or Tacopina have not responded to repeated requests for comment. Short has not arrived to her Kansas City office as of 9 a.m. Friday.

KCTV5's Jeanene Kiesling asked baby Lisa's parents, Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, about Short no longer representing them when they returned to a relative's home Thursday night.

"This is the first I've heard of it," Bradley replied. "You know as much as I do."

<snipped>

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15898355/short-forced-off-the-baby-lisa-case





Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on October 28, 2011, 12:15:42 PM
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30010482867.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/524393/716103)

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisas-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-14833264?tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=14833092

Good morning Monkey's,

Thank-you, Trimm, for the picture of Megan Wright and the link.

I listened twice, to the snippet with MW, she doesn't know who answered the phone or what was said, (paraphasing).

She mentions her ex BF and her, rode around the neighbor.  It is not clear, when they rode through the area.

Who is the "ex" BF?  TIA





Good morning, Monkeys---I had trouble understanding  what this woman was saying so thank you Seahorse for clarifying.  I know when someone answers the phone in my house.  Of course I live alone so I don't think one of my visitors would answer the phone without my knowing.  It just seems strange to me that she doesn't know who answered the phone.  I hope that LE has questioned everyone in her home and determined who actually did answer the phone and what was said.  This gets more strange by the minute.



If the phone call lasted 50 seconds, that is more than enough time to say, "Sorry, wrong number."


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 12:16:04 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-interviews-brothers-canceled-attorney/story?id=14834151
Missing Baby Lisa: Interviews with Brothers Canceled, Attorney Dismissed
By CHRISTINA NG
Oct. 28, 2011

An overnight shake-up in the search for missing Missouri 11-month-old Lisa Irwin canceled interviews with her two half-brothers and forced one of the family's attorneys off the case.

Baby Lisa's 5 and 8-year-old brothers had been scheduled to sit down with child specialists today for interviews about the night Lisa disappeared and to have DNA samples collected, but those interviews were abruptly called off Thursday night by the Irwin family's attorney Joe Tacopina.

Tacopina said he would call police next week and reschedule the interview, according to ABC News' Kansas City affiliate KMBC. Attorneys will reportedly still allow DNA samples to be taken from the boys' cheeks.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 28, 2011, 12:20:38 PM
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/28/baby-lisa-update-parents-cancel-interviews-of-irwins-brothers-lawyer-off-the-case/#more-78323
9:03 am ET October 28, 2011
Baby Lisa Update: Parents Cancel Interviews of Irwin’s Brothers; Lawyer Off the Case
by Fox and Friends Posted in: Baby Lisa, Fox and Friends, Joe Tacopina, Judge Jeanine Pirro, Lisa Irwin, Missing Baby, Missing Missouri Baby   


Judge Jeanine Pirro joined Fox and Friends this morning with the latest in the case of missing Missouri baby Lisa Irwin, who vanished from her crib on October 4.
 ::snipping2::
Video at link.

A welcome voice of sanity!!!   [ Will definitely watch her show tomorrow evening! ]


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2011, 12:25:11 PM
Gyndy Short does not get it.  She is the puppet and ... Joe Tacopina is pulling the strings.

Janet

+++++

Lawyers in Baby Lisa Case Spar
Interviews, DNA tests put on hold
Updated: Friday, 28 Oct 2011, 9:04 AM CDT
Published : Friday, 28 Oct 2011, 9:04 AM CDT


(NewsCore) - Planned interviews and DNA tests of missing Missouri girl Lisa Irwin's young brothers were postponed Friday, perhaps indefinitely, as the Irwin family's two lawyers entered a bizarre public conflict over their handling of the case.

One of the lawyers, Cyndy Short, announced Wednesday that the boys, aged six and eight, would be re-interviewed by police about the night their sister disappeared from the family home in Kansas City, Mo.

But late Thursday, Short appeared to change her mind. "I've done research and see more potential for harm than good with the interview," she told the Kansas City Star. "It won't happen tomorrow and maybe never."

The Irwin family's other lawyer, New York-based Joe Tacopina, contradicted Short when he told KCTV late Thursday that the much-anticipated interviews with the brothers might happen next week.

Reports also emerged late Thursday that Tacopina had fired Short from the case.

"He's not in a position to fire anyone," Short responded. "I work for the client, not him."

<snipped>

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpps/news/baby-lisa-case-lawyers-spar-dpgonc-20111028-fc_15688815



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: StarMonkey on October 28, 2011, 12:29:23 PM
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30010482867.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/524393/716103)

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisas-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-14833264?tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=14833092

Good morning Monkey's,

Thank-you, Trimm, for the picture of Megan Wright and the link.

I listened twice, to the snippet with MW, she doesn't know who answered the phone or what was said, (paraphasing).

She mentions her ex BF and her, rode around the neighbor.  It is not clear, when they rode through the area.

Who is the "ex" BF?  TIA




Megan wrights MySpace

 http://m.myspace.com/home.wap?bfd=webnext&isredirected=true#friends.list/photoAlbums/409999052

Maybe her bf was jeresy I don't know ?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on October 28, 2011, 12:31:54 PM
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/28/baby-lisa-update-parents-cancel-interviews-of-irwins-brothers-lawyer-off-the-case/#more-78323
9:03 am ET October 28, 2011
Baby Lisa Update: Parents Cancel Interviews of Irwin’s Brothers; Lawyer Off the Case
by Fox and Friends Posted in: Baby Lisa, Fox and Friends, Joe Tacopina, Judge Jeanine Pirro, Lisa Irwin, Missing Baby, Missing Missouri Baby   


Judge Jeanine Pirro joined Fox and Friends this morning with the latest in the case of missing Missouri baby Lisa Irwin, who vanished from her crib on October 4.
 ::snipping2::
Video at link.

A welcome voice of sanity!!!   [ Will definitely watch her show tomorrow evening! ]


She says Megan phonecall went to her voice mail. Then what about the statement that she didn't know who answered the phone call? Is this more journalistic discrepany or did I maybe misunderstand?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2011, 12:38:51 PM
Gyndy Short does not get it.  She is the puppet and ... Joe Tacopina is pulling the strings.

Janet

+++++

Lawyers in Baby Lisa Case Spar
Interviews, DNA tests put on hold
Updated: Friday, 28 Oct 2011, 9:04 AM CDT
Published : Friday, 28 Oct 2011, 9:04 AM CDT


(NewsCore) - Planned interviews and DNA tests of missing Missouri girl Lisa Irwin's young brothers were postponed Friday, perhaps indefinitely, as the Irwin family's two lawyers entered a bizarre public conflict over their handling of the case.

One of the lawyers, Cyndy Short, announced Wednesday that the boys, aged six and eight, would be re-interviewed by police about the night their sister disappeared from the family home in Kansas City, Mo.

But late Thursday, Short appeared to change her mind. "I've done research and see more potential for harm than good with the interview," she told the Kansas City Star. "It won't happen tomorrow and maybe never."

The Irwin family's other lawyer, New York-based Joe Tacopina, contradicted Short when he told KCTV late Thursday that the much-anticipated interviews with the brothers might happen next week.

Reports also emerged late Thursday that Tacopina had fired Short from the case.

"He's not in a position to fire anyone," Short responded. "I work for the client, not him."

<snipped>

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpps/news/baby-lisa-case-lawyers-spar-dpgonc-20111028-fc_15688815



Janet-  it doesn't matter anymore what Cyndy Short thinks, because she's no longer the Irwin's attorney.



http://www.kmbc.com/r/29612215/detail.html
Report: KC Attorney Forced Off Baby Lisa Case 
Interviews With Lisa's Siblings Also Canceled

October 28, 2011




KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- ABC News is reporting that Kansas City attorney Cyndy Short is no longer representing the parents of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin.

ABC News reported on Friday morning that Short was forced off the case overnight. No other details were released.

News of Short's firing came hours after Joe Tacopina, the New York attorney representing Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, abruptly canceled an interview that was supposed to take place with baby Lisa's siblings. The two boys were scheduled to be interviewed by a child expert on Friday. Deborah Bradley has said the boys were inside the home the night baby Lisa disappeared.


Tacopina said he would call police next week and reschedule the interview.


 ::snipping2::







Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: tulips0312 on October 28, 2011, 12:41:39 PM


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then why won`t you talk to us?

BRADLEY: Because we`re grieving.
 



GRIEVING???  How telling...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 28, 2011, 12:44:27 PM
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/28/baby-lisa-update-parents-cancel-interviews-of-irwins-brothers-lawyer-off-the-case/#more-78323
9:03 am ET October 28, 2011
Baby Lisa Update: Parents Cancel Interviews of Irwin’s Brothers; Lawyer Off the Case
by Fox and Friends Posted in: Baby Lisa, Fox and Friends, Joe Tacopina, Judge Jeanine Pirro, Lisa Irwin, Missing Baby, Missing Missouri Baby   


Judge Jeanine Pirro joined Fox and Friends this morning with the latest in the case of missing Missouri baby Lisa Irwin, who vanished from her crib on October 4.
 ::snipping2::
Video at link.

A welcome voice of sanity!!!   [ Will definitely watch her show tomorrow evening! ]
The call went to voice mail.  Call was 50 seconds. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2011, 12:44:38 PM
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30010482867.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/524393/716103)

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisas-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-14833264?tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=14833092

Can investigators determine the location that the call originated?

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 28, 2011, 12:45:31 PM
I wonder if its possible that Short has a conscience and after hearing about some of the evidence that LE has decided to quit?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 28, 2011, 12:46:07 PM
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30010482867.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/524393/716103)

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisas-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-14833264?tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=14833092

Can investigators determine the location that the call originated?

Janet

Oh, you know that they can and probably already have.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Sister on October 28, 2011, 12:48:28 PM
I wonder if its possible that Short has a conscience and after hearing about some of the evidence that LE has decided to quit?
That's exactly what I was thinking.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 28, 2011, 12:51:02 PM
megan wright; 2:38am phone call from Irwin phone.

http://gma.yahoo.com/video/news-26797925/baby-lisa-s-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-27089969.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fnews-26797925%252Fbaby-lisa-s-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-27089969.html

http://www.facebook.com/Juggalette.Skittles?sk=photos#!/Juggalette.Skittles?sk=wall             

????
Mods please remove if not appropriate.

Pink hair?  Jersey's girlfriend?  interviewed 4 x's by LE, pure speculation on my part.

Has Jersey's image appeared in the media.

Janet

++++++

Baby Lisa Witness Re-Interviewed Witness claims he saw a man walking with a baby the night Lisa Irwin vanished.
02:47 | 10/25/2011


Re: Photo Lineup

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisa-police-interview-key-witness-14808369



This may have already been answered, since I'm running in and out of the computer, but here it goes anyways:

News of Jersey's (John Tanko's) arrest came out on October 15. His picture was all over the local and national news that day.

News of the man who saw Jersey at 4:00am at 48th and Randolph came out on October 21st, he said he reported the incident on October 11th. The sketch was presented to him on October 17th.

My question is, why did he say that he delayed notifying police because he hadn't made the connection between his sighting and Lisa's disappearance, and not that he had seen the man on the sketch (supposedly Jersey) on the news?

Quote
from: trimmonthelake on October 21, 2011, 06:40:46 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29547997/detail.html
Man Calls Police After Possible Baby Lisa Sighting
Stay With KMBC.com For Baby Lisa Updates
POSTED: 6:21 am CDT October 21, 2011
UPDATED: 6:27 am CDT October 21, 2011
Video at link.
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- A man driving home the night missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin disappeared said he saw a man carrying a baby in Lisa's neighborhood.

Mike Thompson said he saw the man wearing a t-shirt and carrying a baby near Lisa's home at about 4 a.m. on Tuesday Oct. 4. Thompson said he waited about a week before he called police because he didn't immediately make the connection between what he saw and Lisa's disappearance.
Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29547997/detail.html#ixzz1bPo9UaR2



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 28, 2011, 12:53:29 PM
Megan Wright says she has been questioned 4 times by LE.  WOW.  She better have been honest with them or they'll just nail her in the end for lying to LE.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Babybear on October 28, 2011, 12:54:26 PM
I wonder if its possible that Short has a conscience and after hearing about some of the evidence that LE has decided to quit?

I think Tacopino is in charge, he retained her services, and he terminated her services,IMO.  Most defense attorneys I've seen interviewed have said they would not allow their clients to talk to police at all.  Maybe Short arranged these interviews without consulting Tacopino and once he found out about it, he had her cancel them.  Then he cancelled her.  I don't know, of course.  Just seems logical to me. I do think that Bradley and Irwin would follow Tacopino's advice, though, since he is well-known. That doesn't mean he's a good attorney.  Baez is now well-known now and look at him.
Not that it matters what I'd like to know, but I would like to know who financed the reward and big-shot lawyer. And why?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2011, 12:54:37 PM

Can investigators determine the location that the call originated?

Janet


Oh, you know that they can and probably already have.


Thanks KittyMom

I want to believe that investigators are behind the scenes connecting the dots and ... arrests in the Lisa Irwin case are just around the corner.

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Babybear on October 28, 2011, 12:56:00 PM
Would anyone be surprised if Jose Baez showed up in this case?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: tulips0312 on October 28, 2011, 12:56:46 PM


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then why won`t you talk to us?

BRADLEY: Because we`re grieving.
 



GRIEVING???  How telling...


I don't know how to edit my post, but I wanted to add that I didn't think one grieved unless someone was gone forever or dead.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 28, 2011, 12:58:53 PM
Gyndy Short does not get it.  She is the puppet and ... Joe Tacopina is pulling the strings.

Janet

+++++

Lawyers in Baby Lisa Case Spar
Interviews, DNA tests put on hold
Updated: Friday, 28 Oct 2011, 9:04 AM CDT
Published : Friday, 28 Oct 2011, 9:04 AM CDT


(NewsCore) - Planned interviews and DNA tests of missing Missouri girl Lisa Irwin's young brothers were postponed Friday, perhaps indefinitely, as the Irwin family's two lawyers entered a bizarre public conflict over their handling of the case.

One of the lawyers, Cyndy Short, announced Wednesday that the boys, aged six and eight, would be re-interviewed by police about the night their sister disappeared from the family home in Kansas City, Mo.

But late Thursday, Short appeared to change her mind. "I've done research and see more potential for harm than good with the interview," she told the Kansas City Star. "It won't happen tomorrow and maybe never."

The Irwin family's other lawyer, New York-based Joe Tacopina, contradicted Short when he told KCTV late Thursday that the much-anticipated interviews with the brothers might happen next week.

Reports also emerged late Thursday that Tacopina had fired Short from the case.

"He's not in a position to fire anyone," Short responded. "I work for the client, not him."

<snipped>

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpps/news/baby-lisa-case-lawyers-spar-dpgonc-20111028-fc_15688815



Janet-  it doesn't matter anymore what Cyndy Short thinks, because she's no longer the Irwin's attorney.



http://www.kmbc.com/r/29612215/detail.html
Report: KC Attorney Forced Off Baby Lisa Case 
Interviews With Lisa's Siblings Also Canceled

October 28, 2011




KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- ABC News is reporting that Kansas City attorney Cyndy Short is no longer representing the parents of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin.

ABC News reported on Friday morning that Short was forced off the case overnight. No other details were released.

News of Short's firing came hours after Joe Tacopina, the New York attorney representing Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, abruptly canceled an interview that was supposed to take place with baby Lisa's siblings. The two boys were scheduled to be interviewed by a child expert on Friday. Deborah Bradley has said the boys were inside the home the night baby Lisa disappeared.


Tacopina said he would call police next week and reschedule the interview.


 ::snipping2::






Now, since she's been kicked on the mouth by the NY Attorney, if I were her, I would drop a sketch, or a map, or notes from the case in front of the police captain (with a wink) and walk off.




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: labubske on October 28, 2011, 12:59:00 PM
So then if this phone call is legit (and it appears so since LE questioned her 4 times) then WHO lied about the phones not being in service?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: labubske on October 28, 2011, 01:00:03 PM
Would anyone be surprised if Jose Baez showed up in this case?

Not in the least.  Unless he stays wrapped up in Aruba.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 28, 2011, 01:00:25 PM
Would anyone be surprised if Jose Baez showed up in this case?
Shut yer mouth!  Don't even think it.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 01:03:56 PM
The McCallister Law Firm just sent this news release: "Cyndy Short, Esq. has confirmed she is no longer working with the family of Lisa Irwin as their legal counsel."
by Karen Yancey/Staff 11:59 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c63dek00


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 28, 2011, 01:07:34 PM
The McCallister Law Firm just sent this news release: "Cyndy Short, Esq. has confirmed she is no longer working with the family of Lisa Irwin as their legal counsel."
by Karen Yancey/Staff 11:59 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c63dek00


So much for Cyndy saying yesterday that she works for the client and nobody is firing her.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2011, 01:08:24 PM

This may have already been answered, since I'm running in and out of the computer, but here it goes anyways:

News of Jersey's (John Tanko's) arrest came out on October 15. His picture was all over the local and national news that day.

News of the man who saw Jersey at 4:00am at 48th and Randolph came out on October 21st, he said he reported the incident on October 11th. The sketch was presented to him on October 17th.

<respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom>


Thank you Itaryl Moosee

I have read that John Tanko is Black.  I have read that John Tanko is white.  However ... no photo.

Could you or someone please provide a link to an image of Jersey (John Tanko).  I did attempt a search.

TIA

Janet

+++++++

'Jersey', man sought for questioning in Lisa Irwin case, in police custody
Posted: 10/15/2011


<snipped>

Meanwhile a "handyman" nicknamed "Jersey," who was often spotted around Lisa Irwin's neighborhood, is in police custody. "Jersey" was sought by police earlier this week.

He was arrested on an unrelated outstanding warrant.

Police have not charged "Jersey" with a crime, but do say that they are questioning him about Lisa Irwin's disappearance.

<snipped>

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/%22jersey%2C%22-man-sought-for-questioning-in-lisa-irwin-case%2C-in-police-custody



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 28, 2011, 01:10:00 PM
jersey - what I know.

Jersey's girlfriends landlord...geeze.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lisa%20Irwin%20%20-MO-/?action=view&current=InvestigatingJersey001.mp4

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/%22jersey%2C%22-man-sought-for-questioning-in-lisa-irwin-case%2C-in-police-custody#ixzz1awgCL8fT
snipped; in video he worked at Irwin neighbors home doing yardwork.

Meanwhile a "handyman" nicknamed "Jersey," who was often spotted around Lisa Irwin's neighborhood, is in police custody. "Jersey" was sought by police earlier this week.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-continue-asking-about-neighborhood-handyman
another article about Jersey.

__________________________________________________________
I'm just speculating...it could easily work with KISS and it is kind of weird with all the sightings and weird things going on in this case.  This is the kind of nut that would steal cellphones, leave lights on, call someone with the stolen cellphone imo.  He is in custody and a felon known for Breaking and Entering and last but not least people do break in and leave no forensic evidence.   Also as he was a parole violator he was supposed to be picked up by the local LE...wouldn't look good for them for sure.  Makes me wonder why they knocked down the abandoned house with the well so fast; it also was a Jersey connection.  So many odd things in this one who knows...I don't.

50 second phone call, interviewed 4 times by LE, walked thru neighborhood with ex-boyfriend....just sounds really crazy.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 28, 2011, 01:13:13 PM
Janet - 3 pictures this page of the one in custody.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12175.620


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2011, 01:22:13 PM
So then if this phone call is legit (and it appears so since LE questioned her 4 times) then WHO lied about the phones not being in service?

Exactly!!

Could it be that those cell phones disappearance because activity would reveal that Debbie was not in bed between 10:30 PM and 4:00 AM and ... Jeremy was not at work at the 12:15 PM neighbor witness sighting of a man carrying a baby and ... he was not home at the 04:00 AM motorcyclist witness sighting of a man carrying a baby?

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2011, 01:31:03 PM
Janet - 3 pictures this page of the one in custody.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12175.620

Thank you fatcatlurker

Janet

+++++

Northern Rose
Re: Lisa Irwin #2 10/11/11 -
« Reply #626 on: October 16, 2011, 01:39:13 AM »


Offender data is current as of 10/14/2011 09:00 PM.

DOC Id 1175445
Offender Name John S Tanko
Race White 
Sex Male 
Date of Birth 03/19/1969
Height/Weight 5'6" / 165
Hair/Eyes Brown /Brown 
WANTED - OUT OF CUSTODY
If you have any information in regards to this offender's whereabouts, please contact us at: 1-800-816-8199
 
https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/searchOffender.do

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12175.620


12:15 AM

NANCY GRACE
Aired October 24, 2011 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

VELEZ-MITCHELL:  ... Lisa, you claim you saw a man with the baby that night. Are you sure it was a man?

LISA, WITNESS WHO CLAIMS SHE SAW MAN WITH INFANT RESEMBLING BABY LISA: Yes, I am positive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is correct. You have no doubts that it was a man? How can you be so sure?

LISA: Yes. Correct. Based on the lighting. When it reflected off of the gentleman`s head, there was no long hair. To us it appeared as if the gentleman had a bald head.

<snipped>

LISA: The cops did offer to make a sketch for us. However, we didn`t have clear facial features to give them. We were able to describe the man, he was very slender. He was a tall gentleman. He was probably six-foot tall, maybe 5`8" to six-feet tall. So he was a really tall gentleman and he was very, very slender. He was wearing a white T-shirt and some sweat pants.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/24/ng.01.html




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 28, 2011, 01:33:11 PM
Was reading in the HinkyMeter, and found this which I found kinda funny:

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2m5mmbc.png)

With the captions:
I FOUND THE BALD MAN RUNNING AROUND MISSOURI ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT

-----

Of course, the man looks like cousin Mike from Texas.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 01:35:47 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/28/3234841/kc-attorney-confirms-shes-out.html
KC attorney confirms she’s out of Lisa Irwin case
Posted on Fri, Oct. 28, 2011 12:13 PM

(http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2011/10/24/22/52/uORC9.Em.81.jpg)
Kansas City attorney Cyndy Short confirmed shortly before noon today that she no longer is representing the parents of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin.

Her office released a one-sentence statement announcing that Short is no longer the local counsel for Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley, who also have been represented by New York lawyer Joe Tacopina. The statement did not say why Short is gone from the legal team.

Police are continuing to search for Lisa, who vanished from her home more than three weeks ago.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/28/3234841/kc-attorney-confirms-shes-out.html#ixzz1c6BM5I2n



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 28, 2011, 01:42:34 PM
Would anyone be surprised if Jose Baez showed up in this case?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::    No.    But seriously doubt he has a license to practice law in Missouri.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 28, 2011, 01:43:19 PM
So then if this phone call is legit (and it appears so since LE questioned her 4 times) then WHO lied about the phones not being in service?

My question is who placed it.
If db placed it, she's done.

Also maybe that's why short is gone, wanted to make a deal atm.
ALL jmo


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2011, 01:50:58 PM
The mug shots of October 14th that appear along with the description reveal that John Tanko is short and has long hair.  The 12:15 AM neighbor witness claims the contrary in regards to the man she and her husband observed carrying an unclothed baby on the morning that baby Lisa disappeared.

Janet

+++++r

Northern Rose
Re: Lisa Irwin #2 10/11/11 -
« Reply #626 on: October 16, 2011, 01:39:13 AM »


Offender data is current as of 10/14/2011 09:00 PM.

DOC Id 1175445
Offender Name John S Tanko
Race White 
Sex Male 
Date of Birth 03/19/1969
Height/Weight 5'6" / 165
Hair/Eyes Brown /Brown 
WANTED - OUT OF CUSTODY
If you have any information in regards to this offender's whereabouts, please contact us at: 1-800-816-8199
 
https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/searchOffender.do

Mug Shots
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12175.620


12:15 AM

NANCY GRACE
Aired October 24, 2011 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

VELEZ-MITCHELL:  ... Lisa, you claim you saw a man with the baby that night. Are you sure it was a man?

LISA, WITNESS WHO CLAIMS SHE SAW MAN WITH INFANT RESEMBLING BABY LISA: Yes, I am positive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is correct. You have no doubts that it was a man? How can you be so sure?

LISA: Yes. Correct. Based on the lighting. When it reflected off of the gentleman`s head, there was no long hair. To us it appeared as if the gentleman had a bald head.

<snipped>

LISA: The cops did offer to make a sketch for us. However, we didn`t have clear facial features to give them. We were able to describe the man, he was very slender. He was a tall gentleman. He was probably six-foot tall, maybe 5`8" to six-feet tall. So he was a really tall gentleman and he was very, very slender. He was wearing a white T-shirt and some sweat pants.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/24/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 28, 2011, 01:53:03 PM
So then if this phone call is legit (and it appears so since LE questioned her 4 times) then WHO lied about the phones not being in service?

My question is who placed it.
If db placed it, she's done.

Also maybe that's why short is gone, wanted to make a deal atm.
ALL jmo

Well we should know soon now that her (megan wight's) face is all over.  Somebody's will be calling the tip line for sure...



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 28, 2011, 01:59:42 PM
Was a text message, placed, first?   Are you ready?  This was rumored in the beginning.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 28, 2011, 02:05:23 PM
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30010482867.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/524393/716103)

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisas-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-14833264?tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=14833092

Good morning Monkey's,

Thank-you, Trimm, for the picture of Megan Wright and the link.

I listened twice, to the snippet with MW, she doesn't know who answered the phone or what was said, (paraphasing).

She mentions her ex BF and her, rode around the neighbor.  It is not clear, when they rode through the area.

Who is the "ex" BF?  TIA





Good morning, Monkeys---I had trouble understanding  what this woman was saying so thank you Seahorse for clarifying.  I know when someone answers the phone in my house.  Of course I live alone so I don't think one of my visitors would answer the phone without my knowing.  It just seems strange to me that she doesn't know who answered the phone.  I hope that LE has questioned everyone in her home and determined who actually did answer the phone and what was said.  This gets more strange by the minute.

Babybear, you are welcome, I listened twice, because it did not make any sense. 

She knows she has red hair and cleavage, she also  knows who answered the phone:)  IMO


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 28, 2011, 02:05:56 PM
Was a text message, placed, first?   Are you ready?  This was rumored in the beginning.

Humm, I'm wondering when did Le talk to megna(said 4 times).
Maybe Le is releasing info in small amounts for a reason.
They've had the phones from what day 1?
Le can/probably has it already, the text message.  Wonder what it says.
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 28, 2011, 02:15:31 PM
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30010482867.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/524393/716103)

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisas-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-14833264?tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=14833092

Good morning Monkey's,

Thank-you, Trimm, for the picture of Megan Wright and the link.

I listened twice, to the snippet with MW, she doesn't know who answered the phone or what was said, (paraphasing).

She mentions her ex BF and her, rode around the neighbor.  It is not clear, when they rode through the area.

Who is the "ex" BF?  TIA





Good morning, Monkeys---I had trouble understanding  what this woman was saying so thank you Seahorse for clarifying.  I know when someone answers the phone in my house.  Of course I live alone so I don't think one of my visitors would answer the phone without my knowing.  It just seems strange to me that she doesn't know who answered the phone.  I hope that LE has questioned everyone in her home and determined who actually did answer the phone and what was said.  This gets more strange by the minute.



If the phone call lasted 50 seconds, that is more than enough time to say, "Sorry, wrong number."

I agree with you or hang up. 

Who listens for more than five seconds, at 2:38 am?  I listen less than fifty seconds, to a telephone solicitor, includes me asking to be removed, from their phone list.  I doubt if a phone solicitor was calling at that time. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 28, 2011, 02:19:53 PM


Quote
from: labubskeRe: Lisa Irwin#3 10/17/11
« Reply #153 on: October 17, 2011, 10:27:07 PM

   
I know that they haven't listed John Tanko as a suspect...I am just adding this in case anything more is said of him and we need to look further.  Here is an arrest of his in New Jersey.


(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-tanko.jpg)
https://www6.state.nj.us/DOC_Inmate/details?x=1060349&n=0

John  Tanko

SBI Number:    000425490B
Sentenced as:    Tanko, John
Race:    White
Ethnicity:    N/A
Sex:    Male
Hair Color:    Black
Eye Color:    Brown
Height:    5'6"
Weight:    160 lbs.
Birth Date:    March 19, 1969
Admission Date:    May 26, 1998
Current Facility:    Released from RFSP
Current Max Release Date:    N/A
Current Parole Eligibility Date:    N/A
     
Maximum
Term
1 count of :
2C:17-1*2 Arson-Aggravated /2
   
1 count of :
2C:28-5*3 Tamper/Retaliate With Witness/Informnt/3
   


(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThj5VOSA5LaTqptxe__1zLTue2660btN29BHJPTQAulAHhhcgkshF-FR0N)
(https://image.prod.appriss.com/api_image_web_pkg.get_image?in_image_sid_encrypt=D6FDD45049B60D584E3A6F08FC9E40B4)
More recent ones, I guess.

This message for who asked to see a picture of Jersey.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 02:21:03 PM
Was a text message, placed, first?   Are you ready?  This was rumored in the beginning.
Saw this at JQ http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1065412#post1065412 #498

aw geez megan's ex's father is a freakin' electrician.

http://www.prosperityelectric.com/

Founder and owner of Prosperity Electric LLC , Steven Leverette Sr., is a licensed Master Electrician. He has over 2 decades of professional electrical experience including planning, design, consulting, training and installation. Steven has served at the union and non union level and understands the needs of clients from both perspectives.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 28, 2011, 02:50:15 PM
Was a text message, placed, first?   Are you ready?  This was rumored in the beginning.
Saw this at JQ http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1065412#post1065412 #498

aw geez megan's ex's father is a freakin' electrician.

http://www.prosperityelectric.com/

Founder and owner of Prosperity Electric LLC , Steven Leverette Sr., is a licensed Master Electrician. He has over 2 decades of professional electrical experience including planning, design, consulting, training and installation. Steven has served at the union and non union level and understands the needs of clients from both perspectives.

Trimm & Monkey's,

 JI worked a second job, (asking outloud) could his second job, be connected to this company? ::MonkeyTongue:: 

http://www.manta.com/c/mtczsvb/prosperity-electric-llc

Where doe his son work?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 28, 2011, 02:50:32 PM
Was a text message, placed, first?   Are you ready?  This was rumored in the beginning.
Saw this at JQ http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1065412#post1065412 #498

aw geez megan's ex's father is a freakin' electrician.

http://www.prosperityelectric.com/

Founder and owner of Prosperity Electric LLC , Steven Leverette Sr., is a licensed Master Electrician. He has over 2 decades of professional electrical experience including planning, design, consulting, training and installation. Steven has served at the union and non union level and understands the needs of clients from both perspectives.

Okay, two scenarios.

First, Megan is involved in some conspiracy involving her father in-law to kidnapp the baby.

Second, Jeremy has been having an affair, seeing the GF in the middle of the night when his family sleeps.

So, on that night Deborah is reprogramming the phones and drunk she receives a message on Jeremy's phone, "ready when you are."

Now, Jeremy was supposed to return from work at 10:00pm that night, but the job was harder than he thought and had to stay at work.

So, Deborah returns the call to that number (which is Megan's.) She doesn't speak, but notices it's a woman.

Deborah realizes her hubby is having an affair, gets in a rage, crying and cursing bloody hell. The baby cries, and Deborah looses it, and harms the baby. She then has about an hour and a half to set things up.

Did one of her family members help her, or she got into a car without a license and drove? Did she hide Lisa somewhere and later on that day, or the next day, disposed of it?

Okay, sounds crazy, but how else in the world would a loving mother harm her baby?



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2011, 02:50:35 PM
Thank to fatcatlurker for posting the SM link and thanks to Itaryl Moosee for posting the image.

Janet

+++++

OCTOBER 16TH

Northern Rose
Re: Lisa Irwin #2 10/11/11 -
« Reply #636 on: October 16, 2011, 02:08:59 AM »


Offender Name: JOHN S TANKO
Offender ID: 0068948 Date of Birth: 03/19/1969
Age: 42
Race: White
Gender: Male 
Custody Status: In Custody
Location of Offender: Clay County Jail

(https://image.prod.appriss.com/api_image_web_pkg.get_image?in_image_sid_encrypt=D6FDD45049B60D584E3A6F08FC9E40B4)

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=26000&agency=24&id=0068948&searchType=offender

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12175.620


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 28, 2011, 03:00:32 PM
Thank to fatcatlurker for posting the SM link and thanks to Itaryl Moosee for posting the image.

Janet

+++++

OCTOBER 16TH

Northern Rose
Re: Lisa Irwin #2 10/11/11 -
« Reply #636 on: October 16, 2011, 02:08:59 AM »


Offender Name: JOHN S TANKO
Offender ID: 0068948 Date of Birth: 03/19/1969
Age: 42
Race: White
Gender: Male 
Custody Status: In Custody
Location of Offender: Clay County Jail

(https://image.prod.appriss.com/api_image_web_pkg.get_image?in_image_sid_encrypt=D6FDD45049B60D584E3A6F08FC9E40B4)

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=26000&agency=24&id=0068948&searchType=offender

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12175.620


Weird part of this is that the neighbor who lived in the area 40 years, described Jersey as in his 20s and taller, same about other neighbors.

How can they confuse a 42 year old for a 20something guy?

Or, am i mistaken in this?

I know the news described a young teenager in the neighborhood who was questioned the week of the disappearance, so it's not him I'm confusing him with.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2011, 03:06:12 PM
Thank to fatcatlurker for posting the SM link and thanks to Itaryl Moosee for posting the image.

Janet

+++++

OCTOBER 16TH

Northern Rose
Re: Lisa Irwin #2 10/11/11 -
« Reply #636 on: October 16, 2011, 02:08:59 AM »


Offender Name: JOHN S TANKO
Offender ID: 0068948 Date of Birth: 03/19/1969
Age: 42
Race: White
Gender: Male 
Custody Status: In Custody
Location of Offender: Clay County Jail

(https://image.prod.appriss.com/api_image_web_pkg.get_image?in_image_sid_encrypt=D6FDD45049B60D584E3A6F08FC9E40B4)

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=26000&agency=24&id=0068948&searchType=offender

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12175.620


Weird part of this is that the neighbor who lived in the area 40 years, described Jersey as in his 20s and taller, same about other neighbors.

How can they confuse a 42 year old for a 20something guy?

Or, am i mistaken in this?

I know the news described a young teenager in the neighborhood who was questioned the week of the disappearance, so it's not him I'm confusing him with.



Where is Northern Rose?  It's been a while.

Janet

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Northern Rose
Re: Lisa Irwin #2 10/11/11 -
« Reply #626 on: October 16, 2011, 01:39:13 AM »


Offender data is current as of 10/14/2011 09:00 PM.

DOC Id 1175445
Offender Name John S Tanko
Race White 
Sex Male 
Date of Birth 03/19/1969
Height/Weight 5'6" / 165
Hair/Eyes Brown /Brown 
WANTED - OUT OF CUSTODY
If you have any information in regards to this offender's whereabouts, please contact us at: 1-800-816-8199
 
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12175.620


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2011, 03:13:19 PM
IMO - The pics in the NG youtube video have been treated with a photoshop effect -- making pic a negative or something like that. Agree. It is very eerie considering the subject.

Yep.  And I don't see any good from posting them here.  MuffyBee
I just looked again.  I'll have to stand firm with the (two) pics definitely being 'retouched' especially with the ones before and after being completely normal with no effects at all.  Pretty much a dead giveaway that.

So no, I'll not post here (of course).  Just too disturbing.  Thanks for giving me the heads up.



The photos in question are nothing more than making the images distorted and changing to photo negative.  I suspect it was done by someone in the media for a dramatic affect.  Certainly not worth us spending alot of time on.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 28, 2011, 03:14:30 PM
I do not like to make fun of anyone's hair...maybe, she is very hip, what does my face know? 

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Shannons-Hair-Say/157796874261545

Shannon's Hair Say - Beauty Salon - Kansas City, MO | Facebookwww.facebook.com/pages/Shannons-Hair-Say/157796874261545Cached


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http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=Megan+Wright+a+customer+was+congratulated+for+making+into+House+of+style+magazine..see+comments+in+March&btnK=Google+Search&psj=1&oq=&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=1c82949ca002f577&biw=1280&bih=571


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2011, 03:16:18 PM
OT Robbie Wood, the 8 yo boy from VA missing for the past 6 days has been found alive !!  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12262.0



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 28, 2011, 03:17:46 PM
Was a text message, placed, first?   Are you ready?  This was rumored in the beginning.
Saw this at JQ http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1065412#post1065412 #498

aw geez megan's ex's father is a freakin' electrician.

http://www.prosperityelectric.com/

Founder and owner of Prosperity Electric LLC , Steven Leverette Sr., is a licensed Master Electrician. He has over 2 decades of professional electrical experience including planning, design, consulting, training and installation. Steven has served at the union and non union level and understands the needs of clients from both perspectives.

Okay, two scenarios.

First, Megan is involved in some conspiracy involving her father in-law to kidnapp the baby.

Second, Jeremy has been having an affair, seeing the GF in the middle of the night when his family sleeps.

So, on that night Deborah is reprogramming the phones and drunk she receives a message on Jeremy's phone, "ready when you are."

Now, Jeremy was supposed to return from work at 10:00pm that night, but the job was harder than he thought and had to stay at work.

So, Deborah returns the call to that number (which is Megan's.) She doesn't speak, but notices it's a woman.

Deborah realizes her hubby is having an affair, gets in a rage, crying and cursing bloody hell. The baby cries, and Deborah looses it, and harms the baby. She then has about an hour and a half to set things up.

Did one of her family members help her, or she got into a car without a license and drove? Did she hide Lisa somewhere and later on that day, or the next day, disposed of it?

Okay, sounds crazy, but how else in the world would a loving mother harm her baby?




Sounds brilliant...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: flutter1 on October 28, 2011, 03:24:35 PM
Was a text message, placed, first?   Are you ready?  This was rumored in the beginning.
Saw this at JQ http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1065412#post1065412 #498

aw geez megan's ex's father is a freakin' electrician.

http://www.prosperityelectric.com/

Founder and owner of Prosperity Electric LLC , Steven Leverette Sr., is a licensed Master Electrician. He has over 2 decades of professional electrical experience including planning, design, consulting, training and installation. Steven has served at the union and non union level and understands the needs of clients from both perspectives.

Okay, two scenarios.

First, Megan is involved in some conspiracy involving her father in-law to kidnapp the baby.

Second, Jeremy has been having an affair, seeing the GF in the middle of the night when his family sleeps.

So, on that night Deborah is reprogramming the phones and drunk she receives a message on Jeremy's phone, "ready when you are."

Now, Jeremy was supposed to return from work at 10:00pm that night, but the job was harder than he thought and had to stay at work.

So, Deborah returns the call to that number (which is Megan's.) She doesn't speak, but notices it's a woman.

Deborah realizes her hubby is having an affair, gets in a rage, crying and cursing bloody hell. The baby cries, and Deborah looses it, and harms the baby. She then has about an hour and a half to set things up.

Did one of her family members help her, or she got into a car without a license and drove? Did she hide Lisa somewhere and later on that day, or the next day, disposed of it?

Okay, sounds crazy, but how else in the world would a loving mother harm her baby?




Sounds brilliant...

I would buy that story, but not the one that has been given to LE by JI/DB. 



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: flutter1 on October 28, 2011, 03:35:54 PM
OT Robbie Wood, the 8 yo boy from VA missing for the past 6 days has been found alive !!  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12262.0



Wonderful news, MB.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 03:40:51 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/28/3235010/barb-shelly-cyndy-shorts-exit.html
Cyndy Short's exit is bad news for baby Lisa Irwin
44 minutes ago

Barb Shelly

Cyndy Short’s abrupt exit from the Lisa Irwin saga strikes me as bad news for the missing baby and her family.

Short has gained respect as a lawyer by working tirelessly on behalf of her clients. She is smart and incredibly thorough. She doesn’t seek the limelight and she doesn’t seek a big paycheck, either. For years she worked for Missouri’s underfunded capital defense unit. Short always works for the best outcome for her clients.

Read more: http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/cyndy-shorts-exit-bad-news-baby-lisa-irwin/#ixzz1c6hA3GVr


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 28, 2011, 03:42:18 PM
http://www.facebook.com/HouseOfStyleMagazine?sk=info

http://houseofstylemag.com/
 Megan W. is (reportly) affiliated with the house of style magazine...(this is what) I found in gleaning ::MonkeyEek::

IDK if this is the MW or not.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 03:42:50 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/28/justice/missouri-missing-girl/?hpt=ju_c2
Attorney, family of missing Missouri baby cut ties
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 2:57 PM EST, Fri October 28, 2011

Kansas City, Missouri (CNN) -- The family of a missing Missouri baby continued to make news Friday, cutting ties with its attorney hours after canceling a police interview with the girl's two half-brothers.

Cyndy Short, the attorney who had been speaking for the family of 11-month-old Lisa Irwin, is no longer working with the family, her Kansas City, Missouri, law firm announced Friday in a statement. There was no immediate indication as to who, if anyone, will represent the family instead.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 28, 2011, 03:48:27 PM
Nothing to corroborate an affair, but I've read a few stories where the man seeks a woman who somewhat looks like his wife to have an affair.

Megan somewhat resembles Deborah, but looks spiffy. And, we know by the statements of her ex-friends in Ft. Bragg, that Deborah can't be crossed - lest there's hell to pay.

Of course, this is just theorizing and may have NOTHING to do with what really happened.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 28, 2011, 04:04:30 PM
Nothing to corroborate an affair, but I've read a few stories where the man seeks a woman who somewhat looks like his wife to have an affair.

Megan somewhat resembles Deborah, but looks spiffy. And, we know by the statements of her ex-friends in Ft. Bragg, that Deborah can't be crossed - lest there's hell to pay.

Of course, this is just theorizing and may have NOTHING to do with what really happened.


Revenge has been one of the many theories I have been mulling, only I hadn't thought of it from the affair standpoint.  I had thought she was angry with him for taking a night shift and harming Lisa was her retaliation, your affair theory makes loads more sense.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 28, 2011, 04:11:41 PM
Nothing to corroborate an affair, but I've read a few stories where the man seeks a woman who somewhat looks like his wife to have an affair.

Megan somewhat resembles Deborah, but looks spiffy. And, we know by the statements of her ex-friends in Ft. Bragg, that Deborah can't be crossed - lest there's hell to pay.

Of course, this is just theorizing and may have NOTHING to do with what really happened.


Revenge has been one of the many theories I have been mulling, only I hadn't thought of it from the affair standpoint.  I had thought she was angry with him for taking a night shift and harming Lisa was her retaliation, your affair theory makes loads more sense.

To think that LE has knowledge of these things, calls made, people questioned, alibis checked, etc... and we don't.

One thing that is odd in this case is that police has not allowed public searches.

In other child disappearances the whole town shows up for searches, but in this case there has only been LE-related searches.

I wonder if with public's help they would've found something by now. Yet, again, they know what they are dealing with.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2011, 04:15:23 PM
Our parents were right, you are judged by the people you hang around with.  Granted, it appears this happened a few years ago in 2008..comments by Samantha are from 2010 however.

Deborah's drinking buddy Samantha:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=597638221&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=597638221&sk=wall)

Samantha's friend Amanda:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1215498391&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1215498391&sk=wall)
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205589_1007183099263_1215498391_30023714_9083_n.jpg)

Amanda Louise Windle

my arm when i hurt it

Share · April 18, 2008

        Michelle Windle wow what the heck happened?
        May 11, 2010 at 9:16am
        Amanda Louise Windle got pissed and put my arm thru this chicks window cuz she wanter to run her money maker and hate on a playa so i went to kick her ass and she woodent answer the door
        September 29, 2010 at 5:03pm
        Samantha Rook Brando bhahahaha that's my Amanda! Dude you are crazy and that's why I love you!!!!!
        September 29, 2010 at 5:55pm

        Mindy Gardner STOP PLAYING PIN THE DART ON THE JUNKIE!! THIS MESSAGE BROUGHT TO YOU BY CAPTAIN OBVIOUS.
        October 28, 2010 at 1:38am
        Allen Isbell OMG IS THAT WHAT I THINK IT IS! SERIOUSLY!
        October 28, 2010 at 4:35am
        Amanda Louise Windle what u thank it is i put my arm thru leanne dills window to her front door cuz she wouldnt answer after she ran her mouth not cuz im a junkie dumb bitches
        October 28, 2010 at 5:17am · 2 people
        Mindy Gardner You've already admitted to me that you are. Dont go back into Denial now!! You are regressing!!! Baby steps......
        October 28, 2010 at 5:19am
        Amanda Louise Windle right you no so much i used a couple times but i didnt let it take over and get in my head it doesnt even get me high so u wouldnt no ur the junky for how many years sorry u dont and wont have it like me i dont thank of needles like you duh hater
        October 28, 2010 at 5:27am · 1 person
        Tony Maucelli Jr your supposed to throw things to break windows not use your elbows
        October 28, 2010 at 7:39pm · 1 person


FYI - Amanda just got done with a "treatment" program.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1215498391&sk=wall

Amanda Louise Windle
just got outta jail caught another case we will see if i go to clay county tomarrow gotta start probabtion in jackson county now ya
trying to get my head outta my ass
Share · Tuesday at 9:01pm ·


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 28, 2011, 04:23:13 PM
http://www.facebook.com/HouseOfStyleMagazine?sk=info

http://houseofstylemag.com/
 Megan W. is (reportly) affiliated with the house of style magazine...(this is what) I found in gleaning ::MonkeyEek::

IDK if this is the MW or not.
Could the pink hair have something to do with October being Breast Cancer Awareness month and not necessarily 'style'. 
 :smt102


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: alagary on October 28, 2011, 04:33:52 PM
Klaas, trying to read that reminds me of reading those translated Dutch articles. Gives me a headache.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: StarMonkey on October 28, 2011, 04:47:30 PM
Klaas seems Amanda Windle just got out of jail and has Drug problem too.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: flutter1 on October 28, 2011, 04:54:00 PM
Klaas seems Amanda Windle just got out of jail and has Drug problem too.


It also appears she has a real anger issue and a small child.  Not a good combination. ::witch2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2011, 05:16:33 PM
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30010482867.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/524393/716103)

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisas-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-14833264?tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=14833092


Missing Baby Lisa: Interviews with Brothers Canceled, Attorney Dismissed
Oct. 28, 2011


<snipped>
 
Shortly after Lisa vanished, Bradley said that three of the family's cell phones that had been sitting on the kitchen counter were taken along with her daughter. Police have been mum about the phones, but a Kansas City woman told "Good Morning America" today that she received a phone call from one of those phones on the night Lisa disappeared.

"I received a phone call, well my phone did, the night that baby Lisa went missing," Megan Wright said. "It was apparently a 50 second phone call. I don't know who answered it or what was said or who was on the other end of the phone."

Wright said investigators tracked her down and have questioned her four times.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-interviews-brothers-canceled-attorney/story?id=14834151
 



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2011, 05:16:56 PM
Klaas seems Amanda Windle just got out of jail and has Drug problem too.


Yes and it may mean nothing.  BUT....people are judged by the friends they keep.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2011, 05:20:48 PM
4101 Main st kansas city is where Jeremy was working
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=3620+N+Lister+Ave,+Kansas+City,+MO+64117&daddr=4101+Main+st+kansas+city&hl=en&ll=39.105554,-94.553833&spn=0.134805,0.22419&sll=39.103157,-94.516068&sspn=0.13481,0.22419&geocode=FdyIVQIdG6Zd-ikZCMRTg_nAhzE-9Hve-T8YMQ;FXrgUwIdXrtc-iktyfGpw-_AhzFRrIuXUFpYhw&vpsrc=0&mra=ls&t=h&z=12
http://g.co/maps/upk7c
credit to: Sins Angel
http://www.psychiccrimefighter.com/forum/general-2/lisa-irwin-missing-10-4-11-kansas-city-missouri/page_27/#post88968


Starbucks Coffee
4101 Main St, Kansas City, MO 64111

http://cbk2.google.com/cbk?output=thumbnail&cb_client=maps_sv&thumb=2&thumbfov=60&ll=39.051386,-94.586018&cbll=39.051385,-94.586422&thumbpegman=1&w=300&h=118
http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Starbucks.Coffee.816-960-4592


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2011, 05:22:23 PM
4101 Main st kansas city is where Jeremy was working

THIS IS A GREAT MAP, CLICK ON IT AND YOU CAN SEE THE IRWIN HOME FRONT YARD AND THEN WHERE JEREMY TRAVELED TO STARBUCKS FOR HIS OVER-NIGHT SHIFT


http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=3620+N+Lister+Ave,+Kansas+City,+MO+64117&daddr=4101+Main+st+kansas+city&hl=en&ll=39.105554,-94.553833&spn=0.134805,0.22419&sll=39.103157,-94.516068&sspn=0.13481,0.22419&geocode=FdyIVQIdG6Zd-ikZCMRTg_nAhzE-9Hve-T8YMQ;FXrgUwIdXrtc-iktyfGpw-_AhzFRrIuXUFpYhw&vpsrc=0&mra=ls&t=h&z=12
http://g.co/maps/upk7c
credit to: Sins Angel
http://www.psychiccrimefighter.com/forum/general-2/lisa-irwin-missing-10-4-11-kansas-city-missouri/page_27/#post88968


Starbucks Coffee
4101 Main St, Kansas City, MO 64111

http://cbk2.google.com/cbk?output=thumbnail&cb_client=maps_sv&thumb=2&thumbfov=60&ll=39.051386,-94.586018&cbll=39.051385,-94.586422&thumbpegman=1&w=300&h=118
http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Starbucks.Coffee.816-960-4592



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2011, 05:24:06 PM
2:38 phone call made to a Megan Wright from Irwin's phone. Lisa Irwin http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/28...se/#more-78323



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Megan Wright


“I’d been through the neighborhood with my ex-boyfriend”…Megan Wright

Megan Wright went from being "it's complicated" to "single."
October 23 at 12:35am
https://www.facebook.com/search.php?...=1319811861639


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2011, 05:27:53 PM
Deborah Bradley married name Netz

Deb Netz facebook
http://www.facebook.com/DebiNetz

POST on FB
Deborah Netz awww so cute!
October 27, 2009 at 6:13pm
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1146442984900&set=a.1125054250195.2019935.1342290411&type=3&theater


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2011, 05:29:03 PM
Irwins are staying here they are staying on N Walrond about 5200 block
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=3620+N+Lister+Ave,+Kansas+City,+MO+64117&daddr=39.1770601,-94.5394395+to:5200+North+Walrond+Avenue,+Kansas+City,+MO&hl=en&ll=39.174921,-94.534864&spn=0.039324,0.066175&sll=39.17403,-94.53131&sspn=0.039324,0.066175&geocode=FdyIVQIdG6Zd-ikZCMRTg_nAhzE-9Hve-T8YMQ%3BFWTLVQIdUXFd-in5v3MhufnAhzEIi9wr3UxQiw%3BFbr2VQIdZWld-imHjyhltfnAhzEiMo7aEBXxaw&vpsrc=0&mra=ls&via=1&t=m&z=14
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=3620+N+Lister+Av...
credit to: Ann Gay
http://www.psychiccrimefighter.com/forum/general-2/lisa-irwin-missing-10-4-11-kansas-city-missouri/page_27/#post88968


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Babybear on October 28, 2011, 05:36:37 PM
Would anyone be surprised if Jose Baez showed up in this case?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::    No.    But seriously doubt he has a license to practice law in Missouri.

Hi Ono--I didn't really mean that as a serious question, but in fact some states have reciprocity for those licensed in another state.  I was just being silly but don't tell one of the mods.




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 28, 2011, 05:41:07 PM
2:38 phone call made to a Megan Wright from Irwin's phone. Lisa Irwin http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/28...se/#more-78323



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Megan Wright


“I’d been through the neighborhood with my ex-boyfriend”…Megan Wright

Megan Wright went from being "it's complicated" to "single."
October 23 at 12:35am
https://www.facebook.com/search.php?...=1319811861639

Ok, so since this case is already crazy, let me throw this out there. What if Megan found out Lisa's real father wasn't JI, but her [Megan's] boyfriend was the father because she found out DB and he were having an affair? It's been said by others who knew DB that she liked to sleep with other people's husbands/boyfriends. That would give several people a motive to have Lisa disappear.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Stacey on October 28, 2011, 05:58:18 PM
Hello Monkeys,

On HLN Jean C said Megan said she was walking with her ex in Lisa's neighborhood. I haven't heard that I just heard her say she has been in the area but she never said when.

Monkey hugs


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Stacey on October 28, 2011, 06:00:03 PM
Also wanted to say I wish we knew where DB cell phone pinged at 2:38 am that night

monkey hugs


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 28, 2011, 06:07:26 PM
http://www.facebook.com/HouseOfStyleMagazine?sk=info

http://houseofstylemag.com/
 Megan W. is (reportly) affiliated with the house of style magazine...(this is what) I found in gleaning ::MonkeyEek::

IDK if this is the MW or not.
Could the pink hair have something to do with October being Breast Cancer Awareness month and not necessarily 'style'. 
 :smt102

A noble thought, Kitty Mom.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: wildmala on October 28, 2011, 06:10:47 PM
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30010482867.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/524393/716103)

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisas-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-14833264?tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=14833092


Missing Baby Lisa: Interviews with Brothers Canceled, Attorney Dismissed
Oct. 28, 2011


<snipped>
 
Shortly after Lisa vanished, Bradley said that three of the family's cell phones that had been sitting on the kitchen counter were taken along with her daughter. Police have been mum about the phones, but a Kansas City woman told "Good Morning America" today that she received a phone call from one of those phones on the night Lisa disappeared.

"I received a phone call, well my phone did, the night that baby Lisa went missing," Megan Wright said. "It was apparently a 50 second phone call. I don't know who answered it or what was said or who was on the other end of the phone."
Wright said investigators tracked her down and have questioned her four times.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-interviews-brothers-canceled-attorney/story?id=14834151
 



This comment hit me odd.  It seems the way she is phrasing this is to deny that SHE directly answered her phone when this call came in.  So that would make you think she didn't answer it and let it go to voicemail....until she STATES it was actually answered.  So it must have shown as a 'received' call on her phone/phone bill instead of a missed call. 

I'm sure that if Megan has her phone now (or did before LE took it, if they did), that she could account for where it was at 2:38 in the morning, and if it showed as a received ANSWERED call, she would likely know who it was that was answering it. 

I'm sure the ping info is something LE is holding close ...both on DB's phone AND Megan's.
BTW - does anyone know how long it takes for LE to typically receive ping reports from cell provider companies once requested?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2011, 06:26:57 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45014011#45014011

GOOD VIDEO that takes viewer inside the Irwin home, shows where cell phones were said to
have been
and fingerprinting and black plastic with duct tape on Baby Lisa's bedroom window.
And box of wine Deborah drank from, woman witness that saw a man with baby at 12:15 a.m.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: HopeForAll on October 28, 2011, 06:27:57 PM
2:38 phone call made to a Megan Wright from Irwin's phone. Lisa Irwin http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/28...se/#more-78323



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“I’d been through the neighborhood with my ex-boyfriend”…Megan Wright

Megan Wright went from being "it's complicated" to "single."
October 23 at 12:35am
https://www.facebook.com/search.php?...=1319811861639

Ok, so since this case is already crazy, let me throw this out there. What if Megan found out Lisa's real father wasn't JI, but her [Megan's] boyfriend was the father because she found out DB and he were having an affair? It's been said by others who knew DB that she liked to sleep with other people's husbands/boyfriends. That would give several people a motive to have Lisa disappear.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2011, 06:28:47 PM
2:38 phone call made to a Megan Wright from Irwin's phone. Lisa Irwin http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/28...se/#more-78323



(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/369864_673452540_678352713_n.jpg)
http://www.facebook.com/Juggalette.Skittles?sk=friends&v=friends
Megan Wright


“I’d been through the neighborhood with my ex-boyfriend”…Megan Wright

Megan Wright went from being "it's complicated" to "single."
October 23 at 12:35am
https://www.facebook.com/search.php?...=1319811861639

Ok, so since this case is already crazy, let me throw this out there. What if Megan found out Lisa's real father wasn't JI, but her [Megan's] boyfriend was the father because she found out DB and he were having an affair? It's been said by others who knew DB that she liked to sleep with other people's husbands/boyfriends. That would give several people a motive to have Lisa disappear.

This Megan Wright belongs to some group she posted about on her FB who commits crimes if I recall. So anything is possible.

Megan Wright: "I told them that I'd been through the neighborhood with my ex-boyfriend," Wright said. "I didn't know the family, didn't recognize the pictures, had never seen baby Lisa until I saw her picture on the news."
(http://i41.tinypic.com/24e2is1.png)
Megan Wright


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: HopeForAll on October 28, 2011, 06:28:59 PM
2:38 phone call made to a Megan Wright from Irwin's phone. Lisa Irwin http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/28...se/#more-78323



(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/369864_673452540_678352713_n.jpg)
http://www.facebook.com/Juggalette.Skittles?sk=friends&v=friends
Megan Wright


“I’d been through the neighborhood with my ex-boyfriend”…Megan Wright

Megan Wright went from being "it's complicated" to "single."
October 23 at 12:35am
https://www.facebook.com/search.php?...=1319811861639

Ok, so since this case is already crazy, let me throw this out there. What if Megan found out Lisa's real father wasn't JI, but her [Megan's] boyfriend was the father because she found out DB and he were having an affair? It's been said by others who knew DB that she liked to sleep with other people's husbands/boyfriends. That would give several people a motive to have Lisa disappear.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: StarMonkey on October 28, 2011, 06:30:34 PM
Sorry if this has been posted ....
 ::snipping2::
 Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that Wright has an association with an extended member of the family, but to their knowledge has never met Deborah, Jeremy, or the couples children

 http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/10/28/lisa-irwin-missing-cell-phone-call-made-from-moms-phone-at-230-am-taco-quotes-donald-trump-kids-under-subpoena/

Sooooo she DOES know someone in the family !

Thanks Blink


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2011, 06:31:08 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45014011#45014011

GOOD VIDEO that takes viewer inside the Irwin home, shows where cell phones were said to
have been
and fingerprinting and black plastic with duct tape on Baby Lisa's bedroom window.
And box of wine Deborah drank from, woman witness that saw a man with baby at 12:15 a.m.

Ribbit


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: HopeForAll on October 28, 2011, 06:32:25 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::   Notice Megan Wright's facebook addy  includes jugglette?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Stacey on October 28, 2011, 06:40:13 PM
Do we now where Megan lives ? Is it anywhere near the dumpster fire?

Monkey hugs


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Stacey on October 28, 2011, 06:43:21 PM
Do we know where Megan lives ? Is it anywhere near the dumpster fire?

Monkey hugs


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2011, 06:44:02 PM
Do we now where Megan lives ? Is it anywhere near the dumpster fire?

Monkey hugs



(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc419/Mixologist74/MeganWright1.png)
Megan Wright home & distance to Irwin home
(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc419/Mixologist74/MeganWright2.png)
credit: Mixologist74
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=1393&start=250


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 28, 2011, 06:44:49 PM
Sorry if this has been posted ....
 ::snipping2::
 Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that Wright has an association with an extended member of the family, but to their knowledge has never met Deborah, Jeremy, or the couples children

 http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/10/28/lisa-irwin-missing-cell-phone-call-made-from-moms-phone-at-230-am-taco-quotes-donald-trump-kids-under-subpoena/

Sooooo she DOES know someone in the family !

Thanks Blink

Interesting!!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2011, 06:44:56 PM
Sorry if this has been posted ....
 ::snipping2::
 Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that Wright has an association with an extended member of the family, but to their knowledge has never met Deborah, Jeremy, or the couples children

 http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/10/28/lisa-irwin-missing-cell-phone-call-made-from-moms-phone-at-230-am-taco-quotes-donald-trump-kids-under-subpoena/

Sooooo she DOES know someone in the family !

Thanks Blink

good job Blink



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 28, 2011, 06:47:40 PM
CUSTODY ISSUE
Rasleen Raim is the mother of Blake Irwin, who's father Jeremy, has custody of
IRWIN , JEREMY L , Plaintiff represented by ARNOLD , ROBERT E III , Attorney for Plaintiff
3620 N LISTER AVENUE
KANSAS CITY, MO 64117

ARNOLD PFANSTIEL LLC
525 E KANSAS CITY ROAD
OLATHE, KS 66061
Business: (913) 764-8500


RAIM , RASLEEN , Defendant represented by SAVORY , DOROTHY L , Attorney for Defendant
5900 SOUTH NOLAND AVENUE
KANSAS CITY, MO 64133
P O BOX 300282
KANSAS CITY, MO 64130
Business: (918) 448-3721
https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/parties.do



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 28, 2011, 06:52:04 PM
MW is acquainted with an extended family member?  I do not know what member. 

 ::MonkeyEek::

Could this be the brother to DB?  I apologize if this has been discussed.
http://www.myspace.com/search/people?q=tony+netz

I am curious about TN, his page is very private.  Philly's (MS)is open and very free, but not Tony N's.

http://www.myspace.com/tonizzle71


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 28, 2011, 06:54:35 PM
Megan Wright
the end of the road @ 4707 NE Winn Rd, Kansas City, MO 64117
http://g.co/maps/kb2ny


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Stacey on October 28, 2011, 06:59:41 PM
Do we now where Megan lives ? Is it anywhere near the dumpster fire?

Monkey hugs



(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc419/Mixologist74/MeganWright1.png)
Megan Wright home & distance to Irwin home
(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc419/Mixologist74/MeganWright2.png)
credit: Mixologist74
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=1393&start=250


Thanks Kermit so it's less then a mile  ::MonkeyEek:: makes ya stop and think doesn't it to close for comfort


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: wildmala on October 28, 2011, 07:00:00 PM
Sorry if this has been posted ....
 ::snipping2::
 Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that Wright has an association with an extended member of the family, but to their knowledge has never met Deborah, Jeremy, or the couples children

 http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/10/28/lisa-irwin-missing-cell-phone-call-made-from-moms-phone-at-230-am-taco-quotes-donald-trump-kids-under-subpoena/

Sooooo she DOES know someone in the family !

Thanks Blink

Interesting!!!

Okay...so now the ex-BF may be important here.  And was ex-BF not yet an 'ex' the night Lisa disappeared...And did BF take a phone call that night on the girlfriends phone?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Catbert on October 28, 2011, 07:03:02 PM
Sorry if this has been posted ....
 ::snipping2::
 Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that Wright has an association with an extended member of the family, but to their knowledge has never met Deborah, Jeremy, or the couples children

 http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/10/28/lisa-irwin-missing-cell-phone-call-made-from-moms-phone-at-230-am-taco-quotes-donald-trump-kids-under-subpoena/

Sooooo she DOES know someone in the family !

Thanks Blink

So the story is back to both boys were in bed with DB?!? Then how does JI explain his story of going to check on the boys first? ::ghost::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Aurelia7 on October 28, 2011, 07:06:11 PM
Crazy idea time:  What if all children (up to age 10 or so) were implanted with a microchip?  It would make kidnapping a lot harder.  Missing children could be found quickly.  Those who harm children would have a harder time doing so.  Imagine if Caylee had been implanted with one?  Or Kyron Horman?  It's a creepy idea but despite all the ethical arguments would it be a good idea?

(http://prosthetichead.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/chip1.gif)

Human microchip info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchip_implant_(human) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchip_implant_(human))

Specific RDIF info here:
http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/169 (http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/169)

It's a slippery slope, this subject.  If baby Lisa had been implanted with one she wouldn't still be missing.  If all infants were implanted with one the number of missing child cases would drop dramatically.  But on the other hand it would only be a matter of time until devices were created in order to scan the body for the chip so that it could be removed.  Or other technology would be developed to disable it.  Still, an interesting idea.  But I'm not sure if I like it.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 28, 2011, 07:07:11 PM
Would anyone be surprised if Jose Baez showed up in this case?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::    No.    But seriously doubt he has a license to practice law in Missouri.

Hi Ono--I didn't really mean that as a serious question, but in fact some states have reciprocity for those licensed in another state.  I was just being silly but don't tell one of the mods.





 ::MonkeyHaHa::   I know, BB --- I thought what you said  was funny ...  [ am Southern -- we don't take things literally. ]

 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 28, 2011, 07:17:47 PM
Crazy idea time:  What if all children (up to age 10 or so) were implanted with a microchip?  It would make kidnapping a lot harder.  Missing children could be found quickly.  Those who harm children would have a harder time doing so.  Imagine if Caylee had been implanted with one?  Or Kyron Horman?  It's a creepy idea but despite all the ethical arguments would it be a good idea?

(http://prosthetichead.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/chip1.gif)

Human microchip info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchip_implant_(human) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchip_implant_(human))

Specific RDIF info here:
http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/169 (http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/169)

It's a slippery slope, this subject.  If baby Lisa had been implanted with one she wouldn't still be missing.  If all infants were implanted with one the number of missing child cases would drop dramatically.  But on the other hand it would only be a matter of time until devices were created in order to scan the body for the chip so that it could be removed.  Or other technology would be developed to disable it.  Still, an interesting idea.  But I'm not sure if I like it.


i like the idea of tracking the offender better,im afraid it would make children more fearful
than they already are, the offender should feel the odd man out,and watched ect.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 28, 2011, 07:40:17 PM
i like the idea of tracking the offender better,im afraid it would make children more fearful
than they already are, the offender should feel the odd man out,and watched ect.

Me, too.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 28, 2011, 07:42:06 PM
http://www.facebook.com/HouseOfStyleMagazine?sk=info

http://houseofstylemag.com/
 Megan W. is (reportly) affiliated with the house of style magazine...(this is what) I found in gleaning ::MonkeyEek::

IDK if this is the MW or not.
Could the pink hair have something to do with October being Breast Cancer Awareness month and not necessarily 'style'. 
 :smt102
I am still way behind in reading and have to go out for awhile but I wanted to mention that "Megan" (look at the fb address link- it says "juggalette-skittles") If yall remember when the youtube videos were exposed in the Hailey Dunn case, there were videos of "juggalos" and "insane clown posse" content. This could be nothing but that music is extremely weird & graphic/violent content. I think it would tell you a little about someone who is into this stuff. (Megan is into these two groups, google juggalette) Just throwing this out there.... Catch up with yall later :)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: theboyzmom on October 28, 2011, 07:44:43 PM
Crazy idea time:  What if all children (up to age 10 or so) were implanted with a microchip?  It would make kidnapping a lot harder.  Missing children could be found quickly.  Those who harm children would have a harder time doing so.  Imagine if Caylee had been implanted with one?  Or Kyron Horman?  It's a creepy idea but despite all the ethical arguments would it be a good idea?

(http://prosthetichead.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/chip1.gif)

Human microchip info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchip_implant_(human) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchip_implant_(human))

Specific RDIF info here:
http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/169 (http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/169)

It's a slippery slope, this subject.  If baby Lisa had been implanted with one she wouldn't still be missing.  If all infants were implanted with one the number of missing child cases would drop dramatically.  But on the other hand it would only be a matter of time until devices were created in order to scan the body for the chip so that it could be removed.  Or other technology would be developed to disable it.  Still, an interesting idea.  But I'm not sure if I like it.


i like the idea of tracking the offender better,im afraid it would make children more fearful
than they already are, the offender should feel the odd man out,and watched ect.

I think they should both be done - the kids so we can find them and the same for the offender. Think about the ease in solving a case by proving the offender and the kid were in the same place at the same time! 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 28, 2011, 07:47:45 PM
behind a few pgs, looks like taco has an out



The second interviews with the children, like their first interviews, would be done with care and that the parents or lawyers would not be allowed in, he said.
 
"It will be set up just like all child interviews are," Young said. "Attorneys and parents will not be around to even watch them. That's just the way it is."
 
Jim Roberts, spokesman for the Clay County prosecutor's office, said his office would not compel the children to be interviewed a second time because the parents are their legal guardians, and as such the parents "are largely in the driver's seat as far as that goes."

Posted on Fri, Oct. 28, 2011 08:28 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/28/3234448/interviews-of-missing-mo-babys.html



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 28, 2011, 07:53:30 PM
i like the idea of tracking the offender better,im afraid it would make children more fearful
than they already are, the offender should feel the odd man out,and watched ect.

Me, too.

yea tracking the kid is good,but not tracking the offender,could end up with a deceased
child by the time you find the child,i didnt read all the lit,so not sure if its in real time tracking


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Terri on October 28, 2011, 08:01:18 PM
My two cents on putting a chip in children.  I for one would consider it for my own.   But I do not think it would be helpful if the child is taken by a parent or someone in the know.   The person would need to do something horrendous to get rid of the chip.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 28, 2011, 08:17:09 PM
Having children or pet GPS can be a good thing for most cases.

But, those of us who watch wicked programs, like "Fringe", know that the implants can be removed surgically if suspected.

Sad thought, but these animals can think of just about everything in committing crimes.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 08:22:17 PM
Sorry if this has been posted ....
 ::snipping2::
 Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that Wright has an association with an extended member of the family, but to their knowledge has never met Deborah, Jeremy, or the couples children

 http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/10/28/lisa-irwin-missing-cell-phone-call-made-from-moms-phone-at-230-am-taco-quotes-donald-trump-kids-under-subpoena/

Sooooo she DOES know someone in the family !

Thanks Blink

Interesting!!!

Okay...so now the ex-BF may be important here.  And was ex-BF not yet an 'ex' the night Lisa disappeared...And did BF take a phone call that night on the girlfriends phone?
I think they broke up around the 23rd of October,IIRC.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 08:24:07 PM
Would anyone be surprised if Jose Baez showed up in this case?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::    No.    But seriously doubt he has a license to practice law in Missouri.

Hi Ono--I didn't really mean that as a serious question, but in fact some states have reciprocity for those licensed in another state.  I was just being silly but don't tell one of the mods.





 ::MonkeyHaHa::   I know, BB --- I thought what you said  was funny ...  [ am Southern -- we don't take things literally. ]

 
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 28, 2011, 08:28:59 PM
http://www.facebook.com/HouseOfStyleMagazine?sk=info

http://houseofstylemag.com/
 Megan W. is (reportly) affiliated with the house of style magazine...(this is what) I found in gleaning ::MonkeyEek::

IDK if this is the MW or not.
Could the pink hair have something to do with October being Breast Cancer Awareness month and not necessarily 'style'. 
 :smt102

A noble thought, Kitty Mom.

I know I'm probably wrong, but I want to be positive.   :cat:


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 28, 2011, 08:29:04 PM
According to comments in this message board this afternoon, the relative of Ms. Wright who has a connection to the Irwins is supposed to be Ms. Wright's ex's father. He is Jeremy Irwin's boss.

So, it's Ms. Wright's ex common-law father-in-law, or something close if she wasn't married and they were bf/gf.

Long shot, but would explain a lot since Jeremy's boss would know his schedule, maybe?

I'm speaking out of my butt, cause this is unconfirmed.

 ::ghost2::

KMBC says, Tacopina may be returning to Kansas City.






Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 08:29:52 PM
kmbc KMBC
NY Consultant May Return To KC To Help In Irwin Case: KMBC's Peggy Breit reports on the dismissal of the Kansas ... bit.ly/uUaCcn (http://bit.ly/uUaCcn)
21 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/kmbc (http://twitter.com/#!/kmbc)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 08:31:49 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/video/29619617/detail.html
NY Consultant May Return To KC To Help In Irwin Case
POSTED: 6:30 pm CDT October 28, 2011
UPDATED: 6:32 pm CDT October 28, 2011

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29619617/detail.html#ixzz1c7sDpVO2


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 08:34:23 PM
http://www.facebook.com/HouseOfStyleMagazine?sk=info

http://houseofstylemag.com/
 Megan W. is (reportly) affiliated with the house of style magazine...(this is what) I found in gleaning ::MonkeyEek::

IDK if this is the MW or not.
Could the pink hair have something to do with October being Breast Cancer Awareness month and not necessarily 'style'. 
 :smt102

A noble thought, Kitty Mom.

I know I'm probably wrong, but I want to be positive.   :cat:
Be positive for both of us,I am all out of positive in this case........ ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 28, 2011, 09:12:51 PM
God this is getting confusing to me...hehehe.
The cell phone gal is a real hoot.... ::ghost::

Is anyone going to up date the who's who thread?  Maybe with a map of where they live, so we can refer back to it???? ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on October 28, 2011, 09:17:29 PM
MHO..All these people now being added to the mix, ex boyfriends, bosses semi daughter's  in law..however you want to phrase it..are all red herrings.

I do believe that something happened to baby Lisa in the home that night while only her mother and step brothers were present.  Since everything seemed fine at 10:30 when Debbie claims to have gone to bed herself..then that only leaves two options ..a stranger abduction..or Debbie is lying and the baby was already dead.

Sorry..I can't get around Debbie's story it is too pat..and now these other people thrown in..I just think that the baby died due to illness or over medication or over punishment for not sleeping and being fussy.  Debbie was drunk, didn't mean for that to happen ..and the rest takes it's course.  Maybe she called a friend to help ..maybe that call was to set up an excuse ..and set the friend up..who knows. 

What I do think is this baby is not with us anylonger..and Debbie knows what happened and what transpired after..they need to use a truth serium on her..lie detector test need to go..the technology is old and flawed..truth seriums work every time..too bad the government won't approve them for LE..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Catbert on October 28, 2011, 09:27:29 PM
MHO..All these people now being added to the mix, ex boyfriends, bosses semi daughter's  in law..however you want to phrase it..are all red herrings.

I do believe that something happened to baby Lisa in the home that night while only her mother and step brothers were present.  Since everything seemed fine at 10:30 when Debbie claims to have gone to bed herself..then that only leaves two options ..a stranger abduction..or Debbie is lying and the baby was already dead.

Sorry..I can't get around Debbie's story it is too pat..and now these other people thrown in..I just think that the baby died due to illness or over medication or over punishment for not sleeping and being fussy.  Debbie was drunk, didn't mean for that to happen ..and the rest takes it's course.  Maybe she called a friend to help ..maybe that call was to set up an excuse ..and set the friend up..who knows. 

What I do think is this baby is not with us anylonger..and Debbie knows what happened and what transpired after..they need to use a truth serium on her..lie detector test need to go..the technology is old and flawed..truth seriums work every time..too bad the government won't approve them for LE..

And I feel like DB is a no soul loser like CA ...  ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 28, 2011, 09:33:12 PM
Do we know if JI was working by himself that night?  Never heard.
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 28, 2011, 09:35:55 PM
MHO..All these people now being added to the mix, ex boyfriends, bosses semi daughter's  in law..however you want to phrase it..are all red herrings.

I do believe that something happened to baby Lisa in the home that night while only her mother and step brothers were present.  Since everything seemed fine at 10:30 when Debbie claims to have gone to bed herself..then that only leaves two options ..a stranger abduction..or Debbie is lying and the baby was already dead.

Sorry..I can't get around Debbie's story it is too pat..and now these other people thrown in..I just think that the baby died due to illness or over medication or over punishment for not sleeping and being fussy.  Debbie was drunk, didn't mean for that to happen ..and the rest takes it's course.  Maybe she called a friend to help ..maybe that call was to set up an excuse ..and set the friend up..who knows. 

What I do think is this baby is not with us anylonger..and Debbie knows what happened and what transpired after..they need to use a truth serium on her..lie detector test need to go..the technology is old and flawed..truth seriums work every time..too bad the government won't approve them for LE..

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::  I am all for waterboarding at this point ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2011, 09:44:25 PM
MHO..All these people now being added to the mix, ex boyfriends, bosses semi daughter's  in law..however you want to phrase it..are all red herrings.

I do believe that something happened to baby Lisa in the home that night while only her mother and step brothers were present.  Since everything seemed fine at 10:30 when Debbie claims to have gone to bed herself..then that only leaves two options ..a stranger abduction..or Debbie is lying and the baby was already dead.

Sorry..I can't get around Debbie's story it is too pat..and now these other people thrown in..I just think that the baby died due to illness or over medication or over punishment for not sleeping and being fussy.  Debbie was drunk, didn't mean for that to happen ..and the rest takes it's course.  Maybe she called a friend to help ..maybe that call was to set up an excuse ..and set the friend up..who knows. 

What I do think is this baby is not with us anylonger..and Debbie knows what happened and what transpired after..they need to use a truth serium on her..lie detector test need to go..the technology is old and flawed..truth seriums work every time..too bad the government won't approve them for LE..

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::  I am all for waterboarding at this point ::MonkeyMad::

Just let Debbie in a room with Tamikosmom for 15 minutes and the the truth will be forthcoming.  Ask my eldest son about his mother's interrogation techniques when was a teenager ... a teenager who humbled his parents.  It wasn't truth serium.  There was no physical torture.  It was THE LOOK that worked every time.

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 28, 2011, 09:45:42 PM
Good Night Monkeys ... Monkeys who care.

Janet
6:40 PM PT


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 28, 2011, 09:55:53 PM
After viewing video's this is what I am coming up for the layout of the home.

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/HomelayoutofIrwins3026-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: 4myjoey on October 28, 2011, 09:59:02 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15902698/tina-porter-turned-away-in-efforts-to-assist-baby-lisas-parents


Tina Porter turned away in efforts to assist baby Lisa's parents


Tina Porter's attempts to speak with the parents of missing baby Lisa Irwin were rebuffed Friday night.

Porter went to the home where Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin are staying in an attempt to offer her insight and assistance.

Porter was told to speak to an attorney for Irwin and Bradley about her desire to offer assistance. Porter left the home but then went back up to determine which attorney she should contact.

The police were then called. Porter had left the neighborhood by the time officers arrived, but Porter was outraged Friday night.





Call the cops because a Lady wants to help you but don't talk to the cops about finding your baby.




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 28, 2011, 10:00:03 PM
 ::MonkeyShovel:: somebody is about to get burried in  this investigation, seems like DB thought she was smart but in  reality, mistakes were made and now something is about to go down, thats why, IMO they arent giving interviews and they wont let the kids either, they know LE knows something, and you can bet its a lot more then we do, I believe within the next few days we will somebody take a ride in the backseat......


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Catbert on October 28, 2011, 10:00:43 PM
After viewing video's this is what I am coming up for the layout of the home.

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/HomelayoutofIrwins3026-1.jpg)

So they came in the computer room and turned all the lights on - stole the baby and 3 cell phones... r i g h t ::monkeydenied::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 28, 2011, 10:09:29 PM
After viewing video's this is what I am coming up for the layout of the home.

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/HomelayoutofIrwins3026-1.jpg)

So they came in the computer room and turned all the lights on - stole the baby and 3 cell phones... r i g h t ::monkeydenied::

Which faces the street........


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 28, 2011, 10:16:46 PM
After viewing video's this is what I am coming up for the layout of the home.

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/HomelayoutofIrwins3026-1.jpg)

So they came in the computer room and turned all the lights on - stole the baby and 3 cell phones... r i g h t ::monkeydenied::

Which faces the street........

Of course thats what happened..........just like their cell phones didnt work and so after the perp, stole their phones he paid their bill too so he could send out texts and make a phone call........just like she forgot she went to the store to buy some wine until video from the store reminded her.........just like she forgot what time she put the baby to bed........just like she doesnt know if she passed out or not......just like she put her sick baby in anothe room and closed the door, but allowed the 5 year old and a damn stray cat to sleep with her instead......yep.....believe every word of this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 28, 2011, 10:32:38 PM
Tina Porter turned away in efforts to assist baby Lisa's parents
www.kctv5.com
Tina Porter's attempts to speak with the parents of missing baby Lisa Irwin were rebuffed Friday night..
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kctv5.com%2Fstory%2F15902698%2Ftina-porter-turned-away-in-efforts-to-assist-baby-lisas-parents&h=JAQEBEHuNAQF7BLqAPe13blioSzCYw1yb_qWwhO_K3Yvm3Q



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 10:44:27 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-metro-families-weigh-in-on-behavior-of-baby-lisas-parents-20111028,0,2553210.story
Metro Families Weigh in on Behavior of Baby Lisa's Parents
Tess Koppelman, FOX 4 News - Facebook Sarah Clark, Interactive Content Producer - Facebook
5:05 p.m. CDT, October 28, 2011

KANSAS CITY, Mo.—
It really is a parent's worst nightmare when a child goes missing. It's hard to know how you'd react, but parents who have been through it say there are a few things about baby Lisa's parents' behavior that make them scratch their heads.

From the second 18-year-old Kelsey Smith got kidnapped by a stranger four years ago, her parents, Greg and Missey Smith, jumped into action, passing out fliers and making public pleas for help.

"I know it was extremely important to us to stay in front of the media and keep Kelsey's name out there," Greg said.

Kelsey's mother Missey said she's not the kind of person who likes attention, but when it came to her daughter, that didn't matter.

"I'm not a person who likes to be in front of the camera," she said, "but if it meant bringing my child home then that's what I did.  You stay out there and keep pushing."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 28, 2011, 10:45:55 PM
JeaneneKCTV5 Jeanene Kiesling
New York private investigator Bill Stanton is back in KC. The family is packing up a mini van- the latest on KCTV5 @10
9 minutes ago

Jeanene Kiesling
JeaneneKCTV5 Jeanene Kiesling
Tina Porter's husband killed their son and daughter. RT @drfessel: @JeaneneKCTV5 Who is Tina Porter?
59 minutes ago

Jeanene Kiesling
JeaneneKCTV5 Jeanene Kiesling
Baby Lisa's family calls the cops on Tina Porter- your help is not wanted! See Porters reaction tonight on KCTV5@10!
1 hour ago

http://twitter.com/#!/JeaneneKCTV5 (http://twitter.com/#!/JeaneneKCTV5)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: wildmala on October 28, 2011, 10:59:16 PM
Tina Porter turned away in efforts to assist baby Lisa's parents
www.kctv5.com
Tina Porter's attempts to speak with the parents of missing baby Lisa Irwin were rebuffed Friday night..
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kctv5.com%2Fstory%2F15902698%2Ftina-porter-turned-away-in-efforts-to-assist-baby-lisas-parents&h=JAQEBEHuNAQF7BLqAPe13blioSzCYw1yb_qWwhO_K3Yvm3Q



OT but WOW Tina Porter's story sounds VERY much like the story of the Skelton boys...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 28, 2011, 11:01:27 PM
woodsiecam Woodsie
The two "decoy cars" that were in the #LisaIrwin family caravan returned to the Walrond house within seconds of departing.
3 minutes ago

Woodsie
woodsiecam Woodsie
NY's Bill Stanton just packed up #LisaIrwin's family and took off in a caravan including what appeared to be two decoy cars. #BabyLisa
5 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 28, 2011, 11:05:06 PM
woodsiecam Woodsie
The two "decoy cars" that were in the #LisaIrwin family caravan returned to the Walrond house within seconds of departing.
3 minutes ago

Woodsie
woodsiecam Woodsie
NY's Bill Stanton just packed up #LisaIrwin's family and took off in a caravan including what appeared to be two decoy cars. #BabyLisa
5 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)

uhhh....you can bet if they do try to leave they wont make it far, Im sure they are being watched be LE and they will know right where they are, someone is about to get arrested and they know it!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 28, 2011, 11:07:25 PM
woodsiecam Woodsie
The two "decoy cars" that were in the #LisaIrwin family caravan returned to the Walrond house within seconds of departing.
3 minutes ago

Woodsie
woodsiecam Woodsie
NY's Bill Stanton just packed up #LisaIrwin's family and took off in a caravan including what appeared to be two decoy cars. #BabyLisa
5 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)

uhhh....you can bet if they do try to leave they wont make it far, Im sure they are being watched be LE and they will know right where they are, someone is about to get arrested and they know it!

Yep.. Something is about to go down...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 11:07:45 PM
#
The family packed up a minivan and left the area, we're not sure where they were heading
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:02 PM

#
Private Investigator Bill Stanton, who has represented the Irwin family in the past, returned to Kansas City tonight
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:02 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c8VZLthE


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 11:08:14 PM
woodsiecam Woodsie
The two "decoy cars" that were in the #LisaIrwin family caravan returned to the Walrond house within seconds of departing.
3 minutes ago

Woodsie
woodsiecam Woodsie
NY's Bill Stanton just packed up #LisaIrwin's family and took off in a caravan including what appeared to be two decoy cars. #BabyLisa
5 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)

uhhh....you can bet if they do try to leave they wont make it far, Im sure they are being watched be LE and they will know right where they are, someone is about to get arrested and they know it!

Yep.. Something is about to go down...
::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 28, 2011, 11:11:28 PM
woodsiecam Woodsie
Bill Stanton had been helping the family load pillows and blankets into the #LisaIrwin family van before the caravan took off #BabyLisa
1 minute ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 28, 2011, 11:13:57 PM
woodsiecam Woodsie
The two "decoy cars" that were in the #LisaIrwin family caravan returned to the Walrond house within seconds of departing.
3 minutes ago

Woodsie
woodsiecam Woodsie
NY's Bill Stanton just packed up #LisaIrwin's family and took off in a caravan including what appeared to be two decoy cars. #BabyLisa
5 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)


One has to wonder... who is paying for all that, and why?

I'm wondering what is a decoy car.





Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 28, 2011, 11:15:08 PM
woodsiecam Woodsie
The two "decoy cars" that were in the #LisaIrwin family caravan returned to the Walrond house within seconds of departing.
3 minutes ago

Woodsie
woodsiecam Woodsie
NY's Bill Stanton just packed up #LisaIrwin's family and took off in a caravan including what appeared to be two decoy cars. #BabyLisa
5 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)


One has to wonder... who is paying for all that, and why?

I'm wondering what is a decoy car.





Baazz had decoy cars for Casey Anthony..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 28, 2011, 11:16:01 PM
woodsiecam Woodsie
The two "decoy cars" that were in the #LisaIrwin family caravan returned to the Walrond house within seconds of departing.
3 minutes ago

Woodsie
woodsiecam Woodsie
NY's Bill Stanton just packed up #LisaIrwin's family and took off in a caravan including what appeared to be two decoy cars. #BabyLisa
5 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)


One has to wonder... who is paying for all that, and why?

I'm wondering what is a decoy car.




My guess would be Taco has a hand in it and a decoy car is so if someone is trying to follow them they can all go seperate ways and keep the person following them from knowing which vehicle they are in....its to fool someone so they can get away.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 28, 2011, 11:17:44 PM
woodsiecam Woodsie
Bill Stanton had been helping the family load pillows and blankets into the #LisaIrwin family van before the caravan took off #BabyLisa
1 minute ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)
Bill Stanton might be sitting in a jail cell next to the parents if he's trying to help them skip town.  I have a feeling LE is tightening the noose.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 28, 2011, 11:23:32 PM
Thanks Jerseygirl and Higherhopes.

Hope tells me that maybe Lisa was found and needs her parents.

Common sense tells me they may be going on a weekend trip for an out-of-town interview, or something.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 11:25:01 PM
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/28/2d6fe025-0d03-4dad-aab2-54d72122bfc2_400.jpg)
Private Investigator Bill Stanton leaves the home with the Irwins, whereabouts unknown
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com via mobile 10:08 PM

The family left in a convoy of several vehicles
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c8ZyfZGw


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 28, 2011, 11:25:55 PM
Thanks Jerseygirl and Higherhopes.

Hope tells me that maybe Lisa was found and needs her parents.

Common sense tells me they may be going on a weekend trip for an out-of-town interview, or something.


Your welcome.......and I think they are just trying to buy time.........no need to go anywhere if baby Lisa was found, that would be good news and would be broadcasted throughout the nation..........something is about to go down and I bet it will be soon.......someone is getting arrested!!!imo


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 28, 2011, 11:29:21 PM
woodsiecam Woodsie
Bill Stanton had been helping the family load pillows and blankets into the #LisaIrwin family van before the caravan took off #BabyLisa
1 minute ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)
Bill Stanton might be sitting in a jail cell next to the parents if he's trying to help them skip town.  I have a feeling LE is tightening the noose.

Bill Stanton reminds me of Emeril Lagasse. I wonder if he can cook.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2011, 11:32:14 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29621147/detail.html
Private Investigator Returns, Baby Lisa’s Family Leaves
Stay With KMBC.com For Baby Lisa Updates

POSTED: 10:16 pm CDT October 28, 2011


Stanton returned to the home on North Walrond Ave. just before 10 p.m. Shortly after arriving he left with the family in a convoy of at least four vehicles.

Their destination was not know.

Stanton's appearance came hours after Kansas City attorney Cyndy Short confirmed that she was no longer representing baby Lisa's parents. It appeared their only representation was Joe Tacopina out of New York.

Stay with KMBC 9 News for updates.

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29621147/detail.html#ixzz1c8bqjasm



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 28, 2011, 11:32:35 PM
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Moments after private investigator Bill Stanton returned to Kansas City to see the family of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin, the family left a relative’s home in a convoy of vehicles with Stanton.

Stanton returned to the home on North Walrond Ave. just before 10 p.m. Shortly after arriving he left with the family in a convoy of at least four vehicles.

Their destination was not know.

continued..

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29621147/detail.html#ixzz1c8bprK8g


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 28, 2011, 11:35:11 PM
I wish the parents would come clean with LE if it was an accident. No need to waste resources that can be used to help other people, if there is no need for it.

Though, anything that happened to Lisa may be the result of negligence or abuse and they can loose custody of the other two.

Maybe that is what's keeping them from talking.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 28, 2011, 11:39:01 PM
I wish the parents would come clean with LE if it was an accident. No need to waste resources that can be used to help other people, if there is no need for it.

Though, anything that happened to Lisa may be the result of negligence or abuse and they can loose custody of the other two.

Maybe that is what's keeping them from talking.


that and the jail time they are about to do...imo


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on October 28, 2011, 11:41:52 PM
woodsiecam Woodsie
Bill Stanton had been helping the family load pillows and blankets into the #LisaIrwin family van before the caravan took off #BabyLisa
1 minute ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)

Blankets and pillows? For a long road trip or maybe an RV or boat? Motels have those things.

Could something have happened in family dynamics where they are staying? Way too much info coming out at once. I wouldn't want them there, in my house.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on October 28, 2011, 11:43:26 PM
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Moments after private investigator Bill Stanton returned to Kansas City to see the family of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin, the family left a relative’s home in a convoy of vehicles with Stanton.

Stanton returned to the home on North Walrond Ave. just before 10 p.m. Shortly after arriving he left with the family in a convoy of at least four vehicles.

Their destination was not know.

continued..

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29621147/detail.html#ixzz1c8bprK8g



ARE THE BOYS WITH THEM?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 28, 2011, 11:44:58 PM
After viewing video's this is what I am coming up for the layout of the home.

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/HomelayoutofIrwins3026-1.jpg)

Jerseygirl345  i found this one,i dont know for sure if its right,looks pretty much like yours

http://media.photobucket.com/image/lisa%20irwin%20home/zed0101/lisa_floorplan_final.jpg


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 28, 2011, 11:45:21 PM
 ::snipping2::

Police asked FOX 4 crews what happened and they told them that Porter had left after trying two time to speak with the family. After the porch light was turned off on her, she was discouraged from any more attempts.

Police then left and shortly after, family consultant Bill Stanton Showed up. A few minutes later he and others packed up a minivan. Once that was done, Jeremy Irwin, Deborah Bradley, their two boys and other family members left in a caravan to an unknown location.

And that's how day 25 ended, and still no sign of baby Lisa.


(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/irwinsleaving.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 28, 2011, 11:46:27 PM
::snipping2::

Police asked FOX 4 crews what happened and they told them that Porter had left after trying two time to speak with the family. After the porch light was turned off on her, she was discouraged from any more attempts.

Police then left and shortly after, family consultant Bill Stanton Showed up. A few minutes later he and others packed up a minivan. Once that was done, Jeremy Irwin, Deborah Bradley, their two boys and other family members left in a caravan to an unknown location.

And that's how day 25 ended, and still no sign of baby Lisa.


(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/irwinsleaving.jpg)

Osppps forgot link..

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-baby-lisas-parents-call-cops-on-tina-porter-take-off-with-bill-stanton-20111028,0,1271688.story


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 28, 2011, 11:47:06 PM
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Moments after private investigator Bill Stanton returned to Kansas City to see the family of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin, the family left a relative’s home in a convoy of vehicles with Stanton.

Stanton returned to the home on North Walrond Ave. just before 10 p.m. Shortly after arriving he left with the family in a convoy of at least four vehicles.

Their destination was not know.

continued..

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29621147/detail.html#ixzz1c8bprK8g



ARE THE BOYS WITH THEM?

i was afraid that would happen,just like josh powell,get the out of dodge


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 28, 2011, 11:47:36 PM
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Moments after private investigator Bill Stanton returned to Kansas City to see the family of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin, the family left a relative’s home in a convoy of vehicles with Stanton.

Stanton returned to the home on North Walrond Ave. just before 10 p.m. Shortly after arriving he left with the family in a convoy of at least four vehicles.

Their destination was not know.

continued..

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29621147/detail.html#ixzz1c8bprK8g



ARE THE BOYS WITH THEM?
yes......they are just running scared, something is about to come down here soon........and it must have something to do with the breakin  news today about the cell phone call......they know they have been found out.....imo


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 28, 2011, 11:49:51 PM
After viewing video's this is what I am coming up for the layout of the home.

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/HomelayoutofIrwins3026-1.jpg)

Jerseygirl345  i found this one,i dont know for sure if its right,looks pretty much like yours

http://media.photobucket.com/image/lisa%20irwin%20home/zed0101/lisa_floorplan_final.jpg

As far as I could see there was no bathroom in between Parents an baby Lisa's room..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on October 28, 2011, 11:50:04 PM
::snipping2::

Police asked FOX 4 crews what happened and they told them that Porter had left after trying two time to speak with the family. After the porch light was turned off on her, she was discouraged from any more attempts.

Police then left and shortly after, family consultant Bill Stanton Showed up. A few minutes later he and others packed up a minivan. Once that was done, Jeremy Irwin, Deborah Bradley, their two boys and other family members left in a caravan to an unknown location.

And that's how day 25 ended, and still no sign of baby Lisa.


(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/irwinsleaving.jpg)

Osppps forgot link..

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-baby-lisas-parents-call-cops-on-tina-porter-take-off-with-bill-stanton-20111028,0,1271688.story
[/quote




Okay, the family of four plus other family members [note: plural]


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 28, 2011, 11:51:48 PM
IMO, pillows and blankets for a road trip to the lake where they will be housed by a national network and be paid for an interview. 

Turning Tina Porter away like that is contemptible, to call the police on her is abhorrent and all but screams guilt.  It's the Anthony clan all over again only this one seems more prepared.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: wildmala on October 28, 2011, 11:52:27 PM

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am so sad right now for those little boys.  Their little worlds are about to be turned upside down.  Just breaks my heart. 



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 28, 2011, 11:57:31 PM

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am so sad right now for those little boys.  Their little worlds are about to be turned upside down.  Just breaks my heart. 



I agree..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Spodie on October 28, 2011, 11:58:52 PM

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am so sad right now for those little boys.  Their little worlds are about to be turned upside down.  Just breaks my heart. 



And who can they go to for comfort if their own mother REFUSES to talk to them about it. Surely they have fears and questions.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 29, 2011, 12:04:44 AM
when i read this morn about the boys interview cancelled, i just knew the irwins
would prob leave,didnt think they would till sat. or sun.,guess the phone cal news
moved up the trip,what a shame,i feel so bad for the boys


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 29, 2011, 12:06:33 AM
MHO..All these people now being added to the mix, ex boyfriends, bosses semi daughter's  in law..however you want to phrase it..are all red herrings.

I do believe that something happened to baby Lisa in the home that night while only her mother and step brothers were present.  Since everything seemed fine at 10:30 when Debbie claims to have gone to bed herself..then that only leaves two options ..a stranger abduction..or Debbie is lying and the baby was already dead.

Sorry..I can't get around Debbie's story it is too pat..and now these other people thrown in..I just think that the baby died due to illness or over medication or over punishment for not sleeping and being fussy.  Debbie was drunk, didn't mean for that to happen ..and the rest takes it's course.  Maybe she called a friend to help ..maybe that call was to set up an excuse ..and set the friend up..who knows. 

What I do think is this baby is not with us anylonger..and Debbie knows what happened and what transpired after..they need to use a truth serium on her..lie detector test need to go..the technology is old and flawed..truth seriums work every time..too bad the government won't approve them for LE..

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::  I am all for waterboarding at this point ::MonkeyMad::

Just let Debbie in a room with Tamikosmom for 15 minutes and the the truth will be forthcoming.  Ask my eldest son about his mother's interrogation techniques when was a teenager ... a teenager who humbled his parents.  It wasn't truth serium.  There was no physical torture.  It was THE LOOK that worked every time.

Janet
::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 29, 2011, 12:08:56 AM
I really thought the Anthony family was the oddest things I'd ever seen.  I'm really afraid they were just the tip of the iceberg. 
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 29, 2011, 12:10:22 AM
 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::
I am mad as he77 and heartbroken for Tina Porter....here is the vid of the crap that went down today, I so wanna bit@ch slap the egg/sperm donor

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-baby-lisas-parents-call-cops-on-tina-porter-take-off-with-bill-stanton-20111028,0,1271688.story


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 29, 2011, 12:13:03 AM
IMO, pillows and blankets for a road trip to the lake where they will be housed by a national network and be paid for an interview. 

Turning Tina Porter away like that is contemptible, to call the police on her is abhorrent and all but screams guilt.  It's the Anthony clan all over again only this one seems more prepared.

I thought it might be to catch a red eye for a National (pay me $$$$$$$ for pictures of my child I refuse to call by name ) interview also. Do we have a bitch slapping monkey....pls ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 29, 2011, 12:15:19 AM
Not defending the family, but is it possible that they had no clue who she was?  Did she identify herself as being the mother of missing/murdered children?  Had someone in the home invited her to stop by? 

I think she and the atty that was interviewed had solid points.  This family is not endearing themselves to the community at all.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 29, 2011, 12:17:23 AM
IMO, pillows and blankets for a road trip to the lake where they will be housed by a national network and be paid for an interview. 

Turning Tina Porter away like that is contemptible, to call the police on her is abhorrent and all but screams guilt.  It's the Anthony clan all over again only this one seems more prepared.

I thought it might be to catch a red eye for a National (pay me $$$$$$$ for pictures of my child I refuse to call by name ) interview also. Do we have a bitch slapping monkey....pls ::HelloKitty::
::HelloKitty:: A red eye is also a good thought, the downtown airport is a short drive if they're taking a private plane.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 29, 2011, 12:17:47 AM
At the very least those little boys needs someone to talk to that can help with deal with the unknown and the fears that have.  Can you imagine being that young in this mess?  They probably think some bad guy is going to come in the night and take them away.  Those parents should be seeking counseling for the boys.  Common sense tells you that. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: wildmala on October 29, 2011, 12:22:01 AM
At the very least those little boys needs someone to talk to that can help with deal with the unknown and the fears that have.  Can you imagine being that young in this mess?  They probably think some bad guy is going to come in the night and take them away.  Those parents should be seeking counseling for the boys.  Common sense tells you that. 

I have a 7 yr old and this is exactly what he would be thinking.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 29, 2011, 12:22:42 AM
At the very least those little boys needs someone to talk to that can help with deal with the unknown and the fears that have.  Can you imagine being that young in this mess?  They probably think some bad guy is going to come in the night and take them away.  Those parents should be seeking counseling for the boys.  Common sense tells you that. 

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 29, 2011, 12:25:23 AM
Not defending the family, but is it possible that they had no clue who she was?  Did she identify herself as being the mother of missing/murdered children?  Had someone in the home invited her to stop by? 

I think she and the atty that was interviewed had solid points.  This family is not endearing themselves to the community at all.
There is very little, if any, community support for them.  In fact, I about hit a curb when tacky joe was here and one of the local radio guys called him a scumbag lawyer on air.  There wasn't much sympathy for them beyond the first few days and it got even worse when tacky joe and wild bill hit town and tried to play king.  Even people I was certain would take a wait and see attitude believe DB is guilty of killing Baby Lisa, the only question is intentionally or accidentally.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 29, 2011, 12:26:54 AM
Not defending the family, but is it possible that they had no clue who she was?  Did she identify herself as being the mother of missing/murdered children?  Had someone in the home invited her to stop by? 

I think she and the atty that was interviewed had solid points.  This family is not endearing themselves to the community at all.
I dont know for a fact but I can bet you she did introduce herself and what had happened to her children, after all she knows all about what goes on during this kind of investigation and so she most certainly let them know she was there because of her story....These people are just jackasses and they know something is about to happen and it aint gonna be good for them. I wish LE would Hurry up and make their move, poor baby Lisa, once again the missing baby is being pushed to the side because of the actions of these parents......makes me sick!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 29, 2011, 12:28:03 AM
Not defending the family, but is it possible that they had no clue who she was?  Did she identify herself as being the mother of missing/murdered children?  Had someone in the home invited her to stop by? 

I think she and the atty that was interviewed had solid points.  This family is not endearing themselves to the community at all.
There is very little, if any, community support for them.  In fact, I about hit a curb when tacky joe was here and one of the local radio guys called him a scumbag lawyer on air.  There wasn't much sympathy for them beyond the first few days and it got even worse when tacky joe and wild bill hit town and tried to play king.  Even people I was certain would take a wait and see attitude believe DB is guilty of killing Baby Lisa, the only question is intentionally or accidentally.

Not surprising....the first interview a red flag flew up in my face. I had no idea you were local...I can't imagine having Tacop@nis in my area, I would have to stay away from him, brakes on my car ar bad IYKWIM.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 29, 2011, 12:38:43 AM
Not defending the family, but is it possible that they had no clue who she was?  Did she identify herself as being the mother of missing/murdered children?  Had someone in the home invited her to stop by? 

I think she and the atty that was interviewed had solid points.  This family is not endearing themselves to the community at all.
There is very little, if any, community support for them.  In fact, I about hit a curb when tacky joe was here and one of the local radio guys called him a scumbag lawyer on air.  There wasn't much sympathy for them beyond the first few days and it got even worse when tacky joe and wild bill hit town and tried to play king.  Even people I was certain would take a wait and see attitude believe DB is guilty of killing Baby Lisa, the only question is intentionally or accidentally.

Not surprising....the first interview a red flag flew up in my face. I had no idea you were local...I can't imagine having Tacop@nis in my area, I would have to stay away from him, brakes on my car ar bad IYKWIM.
I know exactly WYM.  He knows it now too, I have a sneaking suspicion that he ran out of town so quickly the first time because LE let him know who was boss  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 29, 2011, 12:50:59 AM
kansas city kansas is 10m from the irwin home and there are plenty of small airports
for private planes
http://g.co/maps/5qkn2


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 29, 2011, 12:54:16 AM
kcpoliceKansas City Police

We have cleared 934 tips and leads in the Lisa Irwin case. We have received 1059.

11 hours ago
http://twitter.com/#!/kcpolice (http://twitter.com/#!/kcpolice)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Fanta on October 29, 2011, 03:01:33 AM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45014011#45014011

GOOD VIDEO that takes viewer inside the Irwin home, shows where cell phones were said to
have been
and fingerprinting and black plastic with duct tape on Baby Lisa's bedroom window.
And box of wine Deborah drank from, woman witness that saw a man with baby at 12:15 a.m.

Hi Kermit - I would REALLY appreciate it if you hear anything more about that black plastic that you'd let us (me) know.  I'm coming undone (well not really) trying to find out if that garbage bag was duct taped up there when the police first arrived - or - if they put it up or media put it up for some reason.  Thank you so much in advance!

:)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 29, 2011, 07:56:26 AM


Live Wire: Search Continues For Missing 11-Month Old LIVE Continuous updates on the search for Lisa Irwin


 ::MonkeyEek::

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cAeit8ou

Moments after private investigator Bill Stanton returned to Kansas City to see the family of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin, the family left a relative’s home in a convoy of vehicles with Stanton

Stanton returned to the home on North Walrond Ave. just before 10 p.m.  Shortly after arriving he left with the family in a convoy of at least four vehicles.

http://livewire.kmbc.com/


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cAeft9cl


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cAeZtQFv
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=1393&sid=ed49ad011c2c511da4f65d5b361357dc&start=700


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: theboyzmom on October 29, 2011, 09:23:52 AM
The part that confirms for me that something happened to Lisa that the parents know about is this turning away of Tina Porter. When I lost my son, I sought out other people that knew what I was feeling. Most people do seek out people that know their feelings. The fact that the family will not talk to someone that knows what it is like to be missing a child without knowing what happened, makes me think they do not feel a kinship with her. MOO.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 29, 2011, 09:25:54 AM
The part that confirms for me that something happened to Lisa that the parents know about is this turning away of Tina Porter. When I lost my son, I sought out other people that knew what I was feeling. Most people do seek out people that know their feelings. The fact that the family will not talk to someone that knows what it is like to be missing a child without knowing what happened, makes me think they do not feel a kinship with her. MOO.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 29, 2011, 09:33:43 AM
The part that confirms for me that something happened to Lisa that the parents know about is this turning away of Tina Porter. When I lost my son, I sought out other people that knew what I was feeling. Most people do seek out people that know their feelings. The fact that the family will not talk to someone that knows what it is like to be missing a child without knowing what happened, makes me think they do not feel a kinship with her. MOO.
Same here.  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 29, 2011, 09:44:20 AM
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpps/news/baby-lisa%27s-parents-call-police-on-visitor-dpgonc-km-20111029_15703735
Baby Lisa's Parents Call Police On Visitor
Updated: Saturday, 29 Oct 2011, 9:12 AM EDT
Published : Saturday, 29 Oct 2011, 9:12 AM ED
T
 ::snipping2::
Tina Porter, whose own children were missing for three years, twice knocked on Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin's door Friday, but was denied entry and told to contact the couple through its legal team.

"I said, 'I'm Tina Porter, I want to speak to Jeremy and Deborah'," Porter told reporters, adding that she was told, "Well, you can go through their attorney."

Porter's children, Sam and Lindsey, disappeared in 2004. Her ex-husband eventually confessed to killing the kids.

After her offer to help was rejected, Porter warned Lisa Irwin's parents they risk alienating the community following their daughter's Oct. 4 disappearance from her crib.

"When this is all over and said and done, and whatever happens with Lisa, if they expect the community to wrap their arms around them, I think they got another thing coming," she said.

Officers briefly attended the property after a call from Bradley and Irwin.

The family's consultant, former New York City police officer Bill Stanton, later whisked the family away to an unknown location in a minivan.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 29, 2011, 09:54:25 AM
I wish we would hurry and hear something about their location, it would make me feel alot better if I knew LE knew where they went to or the media or someone....this is makin me crazy, I know LE has to wait till al their ducks are in a row to move forward I just feel like something is up with DB and they need to go ahead and do whatever they are planning...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Rowanvamp0 on October 29, 2011, 10:10:46 AM
http://twitpic.com/71etfi


Another neighbor speaks out about Debra that use to live next door to her.......just something else to put into this tangled web......Where the heck is baby LISA!!!!!!
  I too had to take a break after the Caylee Anthony case but this case has me fired up just the same..but let me comment on the link that was posted about an Old Neighbor of hers back in Ft. Bragg I'm a military wife and let me just say this that if all this of what this woman claims happen to be true the MP's which stands for Military Police would have been involved.  I also have a personal feeling about this and that is saying that these claims are soooo outlandish not to say that I SUPPORT Lisa or Jeremy in any way just that this is just TO MUCH to be true feeling...anyways I"m ranting just wanted to point out that if claims were true MP's would have been involved and would have shared reports with the Police on this case and in turn sure would have been leaked to the press by now.  Okay back to my rafters..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 29, 2011, 10:26:39 AM
http://twitpic.com/71etfi


Another neighbor speaks out about Debra that use to live next door to her.......just something else to put into this tangled web......Where the heck is baby LISA!!!!!!
  I too had to take a break after the Caylee Anthony case but this case has me fired up just the same..but let me comment on the link that was posted about an Old Neighbor of hers back in Ft. Bragg I'm a military wife and let me just say this that if all this of what this woman claims happen to be true the MP's which stands for Military Police would have been involved.  I also have a personal feeling about this and that is saying that these claims are soooo outlandish not to say that I SUPPORT Lisa or Jeremy in any way just that this is just TO MUCH to be true feeling...anyways I"m ranting just wanted to point out that if claims were true MP's would have been involved and would have shared reports with the Police on this case and in turn sure would have been leaked to the press by now.  Okay back to my rafters..

It's good to see you post Rowanvamp!  You should come down from the rafters more often.  Thank you for your insight as a military wife. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 29, 2011, 10:30:25 AM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/10/28/lisa-irwin-missing-cell-phone-call-made-from-moms-phone-at-230-am-taco-quotes-donald-trump-kids-under-subpoena/#comments


Lisa Irwin Missing: Cell Phone Call Made From Mom’s Phone At 2:30 AM, Taco Quotes Donald Trump, Kids Under Subpoena


I was reading B's interesting comments....


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 29, 2011, 10:35:50 AM
woodsiecam Woodsie
Bill Stanton had been helping the family load pillows and blankets into the #LisaIrwin family van before the caravan took off #BabyLisa
1 minute ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)
Bill Stanton might be sitting in a jail cell next to the parents if he's trying to help them skip town.  I have a feeling LE is tightening the noose.

Bill Stanton reminds me of Emeril Lagasse. I wonder if he can cook.



 ::MonkeyDevil::     [ Emeril is cuter ]


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 29, 2011, 10:43:28 AM
I really thought the Anthony family was the oddest things I'd ever seen.  I'm really afraid they were just the tip of the iceberg. 
 ::MonkeyEek::

Isn't that the truth ???      ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 29, 2011, 10:43:51 AM
woodsiecam Woodsie
Bill Stanton had been helping the family load pillows and blankets into the #LisaIrwin family van before the caravan took off #BabyLisa
1 minute ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)
Bill Stanton might be sitting in a jail cell next to the parents if he's trying to help them skip town.  I have a feeling LE is tightening the noose.

Bill Stanton reminds me of Emeril Lagasse. I wonder if he can cook.



 ::MonkeyDevil::     [ Emeril is cuter ]

Judge Jeanine (Fox) will find out (tonight), where the canavan is located, IMO, she will find them.  :)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 29, 2011, 10:49:09 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/justice-jeanine/index.html


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 29, 2011, 11:01:47 AM
woodsiecam Woodsie
Bill Stanton had been helping the family load pillows and blankets into the #LisaIrwin family van before the caravan took off #BabyLisa
1 minute ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)
Bill Stanton might be sitting in a jail cell next to the parents if he's trying to help them skip town.  I have a feeling LE is tightening the noose.

Bill Stanton reminds me of Emeril Lagasse. I wonder if he can cook.



 ::MonkeyDevil::     [ Emeril is cuter ]

Judge Jeanine (Fox) will find out (tonight), where the canavan is located, IMO, she will find them.  :)


 ::MonkeyCool::   Yeah - I can hardly wait for her show.  She is as sharp as a tack!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: flutter1 on October 29, 2011, 11:04:52 AM
The part that confirms for me that something happened to Lisa that the parents know about is this turning away of Tina Porter. When I lost my son, I sought out other people that knew what I was feeling. Most people do seek out people that know their feelings. The fact that the family will not talk to someone that knows what it is like to be missing a child without knowing what happened, makes me think they do not feel a kinship with her. MOO.

At least Hailey Dunn's mother allowed Marc Klaas and Carrie McGonigle to come in and offer support and advice,  It is interesting to note that none of the major search groups, Texas Equusearch, Laura's Recovery, have not become involved at all in this case.

Hindsight is 20/20, but this is another reason why I questioned why CPS had not become involved in this case.  A grand jury can subpoena a witness, in this case the two boys, but it does no good if they can't be found.  

BTW - in support waterboarding the parents, too, and if that doesn't work, turn Tamikosmom loose on them.  Whatever it takes! ::witch2::
Edit-fix typo (Hailey) MB


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on October 29, 2011, 11:22:25 AM
 http://www.kmbc.com/video/29624432/detail.html

Local attorney was working for free.  Taco and Wild Bill, also?  Two donors put up $100,000 for reward?

Someone, up the power pyramid, has major connections. Maybe JI's boss?

I have an uncomfortable feeling some in KC do not want any more digging around by LE. You never know what or who you might dig up in the northland. Lots of skeletons buried there and not just for Halloween.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: flutter1 on October 29, 2011, 11:35:08 AM
The part that confirms for me that something happened to Lisa that the parents know about is this turning away of Tina Porter. When I lost my son, I sought out other people that knew what I was feeling. Most people do seek out people that know their feelings. The fact that the family will not talk to someone that knows what it is like to be missing a child without knowing what happened, makes me think they do not feel a kinship with her. MOO.

At least Hailey Dunn's mother allowed Marc Klaas and Carrie McGonigle to come in and offer support and advice,  It is interesting to note that none of the major search groups, Texas Equusearch, Laura's Recovery, have not become involved at all in this case.

Hindsight is 20/20, but this is another reason why I questioned why CPS had not become involved in this case.  A grand jury can subpoena a witness, in this case the two boys, but it does no good if they can't be found.  

BTW - in support waterboarding the parents, too, and if that doesn't work, turn Tamikosmom loose on them.  Whatever it takes! ::witch2::
Edit-fix typo (Hailey) MB
  TY MB  am workinf on a tablet and it is almost like reading braille.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 29, 2011, 11:58:45 AM
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58991&page=9

Minty Fresh  Post 265   A hat tip to Minty for her digging. :)



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 29, 2011, 12:09:42 PM
woodsiecam Woodsie
Bill Stanton had been helping the family load pillows and blankets into the #LisaIrwin family van before the caravan took off #BabyLisa
1 minute ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)
Bill Stanton might be sitting in a jail cell next to the parents if he's trying to help them skip town.  I have a feeling LE is tightening the noose.

Bill Stanton reminds me of Emeril Lagasse. I wonder if he can cook.



 ::MonkeyDevil::     [ Emeril is cuter ]

Judge Jeanine (Fox) will find out (tonight), where the canavan is located, IMO, she will find them.  :)


 ::MonkeyCool::   Yeah - I can hardly wait for her show.  She is as sharp as a tack!

Judge Jeanine is also tactful and lady-like.  I admire her, you don't need to be nasty, to get the job done.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 29, 2011, 12:29:47 PM
So, if the kids are subject to an investigative subpoena, and they've been taken into hiding (I'm sure LE is watching) can't the parents be charged with impeding an investigation?  But then again, maybe LE is getting their ducks in a row so that those taken into custody won't have any wiggle room.  It's time for the truth to come out and little Lisa to be found.  I start steaming thinking that there might be another little one throw out like garbage.   


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 29, 2011, 12:32:54 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/r-video/29624432/detail.html
Baby Lisa: Stanton's Back, Family Leaves
KC Attorney Removed From Case

POSTED: 9:32 am CDT October 29, 2011

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29624432/detail.html#ixzz1cBmErgAb


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 29, 2011, 12:39:23 PM
Does anyone recall the name of the website for tracking down airplane flight information?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 29, 2011, 12:41:32 PM
woodsiecam Woodsie
Bill Stanton had been helping the family load pillows and blankets into the #LisaIrwin family van before the caravan took off #BabyLisa
1 minute ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)
Bill Stanton might be sitting in a jail cell next to the parents if he's trying to help them skip town.  I have a feeling LE is tightening the noose.

Bill Stanton reminds me of Emeril Lagasse. I wonder if he can cook.



 ::MonkeyDevil::     [ Emeril is cuter ]

Judge Jeanine (Fox) will find out (tonight), where the canavan is located, IMO, she will find them.  :)


 ::MonkeyCool::   Yeah - I can hardly wait for her show.  She is as sharp as a tack!
I love Jenine too! I hate to "compare" this with another case but my bets are they are headed for the "Big Apple"......


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 29, 2011, 01:29:13 PM
On this facebook page it states that a relative of the Irwins has said he was gonna be in NY this weekend, also so has Ashley said that she would be Out of Town......guess it just might be true that the Irwins are gonna be in New York maybe doing and interview,.......this is about to make me mad if that is whats going on!!!!!

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Justice-for-Lisa-Irwin/290185081005988


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 29, 2011, 01:33:50 PM
Does anyone recall the name of the website for tracking down airplane flight information?

Perhaps if you google "flight itinerary" it may help...just guessing.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 29, 2011, 01:43:15 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/video/29624432/detail.html#ixzz1cBmErgAb
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30113314281.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/525926/9696510)

(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30113324363.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/525927/9983710)

(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30113330726.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/525928/2855456)

(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30113365147.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/525932/8804666)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2011, 01:46:41 PM
Phillip Netz (Debbie's younger brother
http://www.facebook.com/phillynetz?sk=photos
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41373_1749000701_8389_n.jpg)


David Lee Netz Jr.
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/211799_1093506753_436381070_n.jpg)
http://www.facebook.com/daveycrockett101

posted on David Lee Netz Jr. FB
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/199933_1861582294643_1093506753_2145953_5484518_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2011, 01:47:21 PM
POSTS UNDER PHOTO: (DEBORAH BRADLY IS DEBORAH NETZ) i posted her FB link on an earlier pg.



Deborah Netz Poor lil Lisa..knocked out before she can even get dressed lol
March 23 at 8:21pm

David Lee Netz Jr. yeah lol. Grandpas Little Angel. :)
March 23 at 9:23pm

Peggy Bradley Bowers a little salt & pepper & I could just eat her up!
April 13 at 7:17pm ·  1 person


(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/199018_1861582494648_1093506753_2145954_5307374_n.jpg)

POSTS:
Bill Roach OK. Who is the baby? ?
March 21 at 6:01pm

David Lee Netz Jr. It's my grand daughter Lisa. She is my daughter Debbie's baby. :)
March 21 at 6:10pm ·  1 person

Cindy Chivalette LeRette Precious! Are you boring her or is the sun in her eyes?! lol
March 22 at 9:35am

David Lee Netz Jr. lol. She was asleep after her Daddy feed her. Hehehe :)
March 22 at 10:24am

Deborah Netz Awww my mini me so tired after stuffing her face LOL! When are you gonna come over again and make me dinner?!



Cindy Chivalette LeRette
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1371879346


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 29, 2011, 01:48:26 PM
Does anyone recall the name of the website for tracking down airplane flight information?
::HelloKitty::
http://flightaware.com/


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2011, 01:50:02 PM
(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9102/babylisadeborahbradleya.jpg)
Deborah Bradley and Aunt Cindy Chivalette LeRette


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2011, 01:50:27 PM
On this facebook page it states that a relative of the Irwins has said he was gonna be in NY this weekend, also so has Ashley said that she would be Out of Town......guess it just might be true that the Irwins are gonna be in New York maybe doing and interview,.......this is about to make me mad if that is whats going on!!!!!

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Justice-for-Lisa-Irwin/290185081005988

higherhopes

I am not upset.  Everytime Debra and Jeremy open their mouths another inconsistency in regards to the hours between 10:30 PM and 4:00 AM on the night their daughter went missing is revealed.  It takes a mighty good memory to be a liar.

The blood money?  Believe me ... when lifestyles/charaters are considered ... it will only last a season.  Justice for baby Lisa is what it is all about.  Beth Holloway comprehended.

Janet

++++


Transcript: Beth (Holloway) Twitty Responds
Published March 21, 2006


<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, you and I have spent an awful lot of time together, talked together. You know my entire staff. Was it difficult for you that we sat down with him?

TWITTY: Oh, no. No, I mean, I think that any time that we can get Joran speaking, I think that he only incriminates himself every time.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188645,00.html


NANCY GRACE
Aired February 23, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: ... I`m just glad that he is coming out and speaking on camera because I heard a clip that you -- a sound bite earlier, and he does -- when he tells one lie, more evolve. And it just is mind-boggling how we are all just witnessing this from Joran.

<snipped>

http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2011, 01:55:30 PM
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6394/babylisaphilipnetzdebbi.jpg)
Phillip Netz




(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/199018_1861582494648_1093506753_2145954_5307374_n.jpg)

POSTS:
Bill Roach OK. Who is the baby? ?
March 21 at 6:01pm

David Lee Netz Jr. It's my grand daughter Lisa. She is my daughter Debbie's baby. :)
March 21 at 6:10pm ·  1 person

Cindy Chivalette LeRette Precious! Are you boring her or is the sun in her eyes?! lol
March 22 at 9:35am

David Lee Netz Jr. lol. She was asleep after her Daddy feed her. Hehehe :)
March 22 at 10:24am

Deborah Netz Awww my mini me so tired after stuffing her face LOL! When are you gonna come over again and make me dinner?!



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2011, 01:58:46 PM
Vince Chivalette is Deborahs uncle

Tony Netz


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2011, 02:01:02 PM
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6394/babylisaphilipnetzdebbi.jpg)
Phillip Netz

<Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom>


Phillip Netz on the left?  Who is on the right?

Janet

++++


(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg620/scaled.php?tn=0&server=620&filename=gg4eez.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2011, 02:06:40 PM
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4998/babylisaandjeremynextto.jpg)
Jeremy Irwin


(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9672/babylisadavidleenetzjur.jpg)
David Leenetz and Baby Lisa


(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/5876/babylisaplayingwithtoyf.jpg)


(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6755/babylisatoyandfrontwind.jpg)
you can see front windows in this pic


(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6724/babylisaandbothbrothers.jpg)
Baby Lisa, Aunt Cindy Chivalette LeRette and both brothers




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2011, 02:07:57 PM
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6394/babylisaphilipnetzdebbi.jpg)
Phillip Netz

<Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom>


Phillip Netz on the left?  Who is on the right?

Janet

++++


(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg620/scaled.php?tn=0&server=620&filename=gg4eez.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
 


Isn't that Bill Stanton "Wild Bill" and Ashley?



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2011, 02:11:48 PM
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/299586_129918223780788_125929840846293_112382_333534784_n.jpg)
Baby Lisa Irwin

(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/300298_217038031688715_100001475590715_666168_1506175118_n.jpg)

Aunt Cindy Cindy Chivalette LeRette
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1371879346

(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/304706_2382516006939_1371879346_2685094_6074185_n.jpg)
Deborah Bradley (Netz) and Aunt Cindy Chivalette LeRette



Is there a mod that can resize these photos please



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 29, 2011, 02:13:03 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/video/29624432/detail.html#ixzz1cBmErgAb
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30113314281.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/525926/9696510)

(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30113324363.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/525927/9983710)

(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30113330726.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/525928/2855456)

(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30113365147.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/525932/8804666)

Thank-you, Trimm, crisp and clear...you are considerate.

JI is pretty bald, yet?  What a bunch of Weasles, IMO


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 29, 2011, 02:13:34 PM
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58991&page=9

Minty Fresh  Post 265   A hat tip to Minty for her digging. :)


Phillip
(http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/main/10/30113365147.png)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2011, 02:13:36 PM
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6394/babylisaphilipnetzdebbi.jpg)
Phillip Netz

<Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom>


Phillip Netz on the left?  Who is on the right?

Janet

++++


(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg620/scaled.php?tn=0&server=620&filename=gg4eez.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
 


Isn't that Bill Stanton "Wild Bill" and Ashley?



No, the guy on the right is Deborah's biological dad who's name is evading me at the moment.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 29, 2011, 02:15:15 PM
Seahorse,posting at the same time.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2011, 02:15:54 PM
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6394/babylisaphilipnetzdebbi.jpg)
Phillip Netz

<Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom>


Phillip Netz on the left?  Who is on the right?

Janet

++++


(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg620/scaled.php?tn=0&server=620&filename=gg4eez.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
 


Isn't that Bill Stanton "Wild Bill" and Ashley?



(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3956/101111ashley.png)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2011, 02:18:36 PM
Deborah's father =  David L. Netz, Jr.

http://www.facebook.com/daveycrockett101 (http://www.facebook.com/daveycrockett101)

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/211799_1093506753_436381070_n.jpg)

(http://hphotos-iad1.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/229009_1970534378377_1093506753_2282023_6134549_n.jpg)
David Lee Netz Jr.

My Daughter, Mother, and Grandmother, and my grandson about 3 years ago
Share · May 4


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2011, 02:20:31 PM
(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/200/babylisadeborahnetzbrad.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2011, 02:22:08 PM
Klassend is Deborah Bradley (Netz)'s biological father's name Tony Netz?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2011, 02:24:15 PM
Thanks Klaas.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2011, 02:27:42 PM
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6394/babylisaphilipnetzdebbi.jpg)
Phillip Netz

<Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom>


Phillip Netz on the left?  Who is on the right?

Janet

++++


(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg620/scaled.php?tn=0&server=620&filename=gg4eez.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
 


Isn't that Bill Stanton "Wild Bill" and Ashley?




(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/9027_1247156374379_1093506753_746207_4391266_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: 4 Donks on October 29, 2011, 02:32:29 PM
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6394/babylisaphilipnetzdebbi.jpg)
Phillip Netz

<Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom>


Phillip Netz on the left?  Who is on the right?

Janet

++++


(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg620/scaled.php?tn=0&server=620&filename=gg4eez.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
 


On the far left is Mike LeRette the marine cousin.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2011, 02:45:06 PM

On the far left is Mike LeRette the marine cousin.

Thanks 4 Donks



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 29, 2011, 02:53:07 PM
JimLichtenstein Jim Lichtenstein
In Kansas City on Baby Lisa. Watch @AlisonKartevold on @msnbc in 3 min. #LisaIrwin pic.twitter.com/I0A7gwcb
3 hours ago http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein (http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein)
(http://p.twimg.com/Ac7p6xOCQAAh6xR.jpg)


I knew he would be showing up eventually.......


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 29, 2011, 02:54:39 PM
JimLichtenstein Jim Lichtenstein
In Kansas City on Baby Lisa. Watch @AlisonKartevold on @msnbc in 3 min. #LisaIrwin pic.twitter.com/I0A7gwcb
3 hours ago http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein (http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein)
(http://p.twimg.com/Ac7p6xOCQAAh6xR.jpg)


I knew he would be showing up eventually.......


Yep.  No big surprise was it? 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Sister on October 29, 2011, 02:54:42 PM
JimLichtenstein Jim Lichtenstein
In Kansas City on Baby Lisa. Watch @AlisonKartevold on @msnbc in 3 min. #LisaIrwin pic.twitter.com/I0A7gwcb
3 hours ago http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein (http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein)
(http://p.twimg.com/Ac7p6xOCQAAh6xR.jpg)


I knew he would be showing up eventually.......
ain't it the truth!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 29, 2011, 02:57:44 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45087058#45087058
The Today Show 10/29/2011


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 29, 2011, 02:58:26 PM
JimLichtenstein Jim Lichtenstein
In Kansas City on Baby Lisa. Watch @AlisonKartevold on @msnbc in 3 min. #LisaIrwin pic.twitter.com/I0A7gwcb
3 hours ago http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein (http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein)
(http://p.twimg.com/Ac7p6xOCQAAh6xR.jpg)


I knew he would be showing up eventually.......
ain't it the truth!
was this taken this morning?  If so, do they know something we dont know, like are the Irwins coming back today?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 29, 2011, 02:58:48 PM
Seahorse,posting at the same time.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

A "historical" snowstorm is hitting the eastern states, wonder, if this will effect the Caravan?
 ::MonkeyBike::

I thought they would go to Texas, (a relative was visiting, from Texas)...what do I know?:)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 29, 2011, 03:04:51 PM
Klassend is Deborah Bradley (Netz)'s biological father's name Tony Netz?


3 kids, 3 different fathers, right?
 ::witch2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2011, 03:05:32 PM
Klassend is Deborah Bradley (Netz)'s biological father's name Tony Netz?


David Lee Netz Jr. is her dad


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2011, 03:08:00 PM
Deborah's father =  David L. Netz, Jr.

http://www.facebook.com/daveycrockett101 (http://www.facebook.com/daveycrockett101)

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/211799_1093506753_436381070_n.jpg)

(http://hphotos-iad1.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/229009_1970534378377_1093506753_2282023_6134549_n.jpg)
David Lee Netz Jr.

My Daughter, Mother, and Grandmother, and my grandson about 3 years ago
Share · May 4



KERMIT


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 29, 2011, 03:11:30 PM
http://www.weather.com/

I have no clue, where (if anywhere) the (reported) four vehicle's went.  It would not be driving to NYC, in a storm.
Flying?   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 29, 2011, 03:11:43 PM
Does anyone recall the name of the website for tracking down airplane flight information?

Perhaps if you google "flight itinerary" it may help...just guessing.
Thanks  ::HelloKitty::, I always google and there were several choices.  I was looking for the specific one that many here have used successfully in the past.  Trimmonthelake supplied it here http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12236.msg1483369#msg1483369 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12236.msg1483369#msg1483369)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 29, 2011, 03:14:03 PM
Does anyone recall the name of the website for tracking down airplane flight information?
::HelloKitty::
http://flightaware.com/
::HelloKitty:: That's the one, thanks!  I was looking to see if any east coast flights had arrived or departed at the Wheeler downtown airport around the times the family was herded into vehicles.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 29, 2011, 03:15:59 PM
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4998/babylisaandjeremynextto.jpg)
Jeremy Irwin


(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9672/babylisadavidleenetzjur.jpg)
David Leenetz and Baby Lisa


(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/5876/babylisaplayingwithtoyf.jpg)


(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6755/babylisatoyandfrontwind.jpg)
you can see front windows in this pic


(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6724/babylisaandbothbrothers.jpg)
Baby Lisa, Aunt Cindy Chivalette LeRette and both brothers



Is Aunt Cindy LeRette possibly related to Stephen Leverette? 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2011, 03:21:47 PM
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4998/babylisaandjeremynextto.jpg)
Jeremy Irwin


<Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom>




12:15 AM

NANCY GRACE
Aired October 24, 2011 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

VELEZ-MITCHELL:  ... Lisa, you claim you saw a man with the baby that night. Are you sure it was a man?

LISA, WITNESS WHO CLAIMS SHE SAW MAN WITH INFANT RESEMBLING BABY LISA: Yes, I am positive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is correct. You have no doubts that it was a man? How can you be so sure?

LISA: Yes. Correct. Based on the lighting. When it reflected off of the gentleman`s head, there was no long hair. To us it appeared as if the gentleman had a bald head.

<snipped>

LISA: The cops did offer to make a sketch for us. However, we didn`t have clear facial features to give them. We were able to describe the man, he was very slender. He was a tall gentleman. He was probably six-foot tall, maybe 5`8" to six-feet tall. So he was a really tall gentleman and he was very, very slender. He was wearing a white T-shirt and some sweat pants.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/24/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 29, 2011, 03:32:02 PM
http://www.weather.com/

I have no clue, where (if anywhere) the (reported) four vehicle's went.  It would not be driving to NYC, in a storm.
Flying?   ::MonkeyEek::
My guess is The Lake of the Ozarks or Florida.  It would almost have to be somewhere rather secluded or word would be out by now.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 29, 2011, 03:40:16 PM

Good afternoon monkey;s,

Does anyone know where Jerry fits into the family tree?  TIA

Jerry Alan Netz

http://radaris.com/p/Anthony/Netz/MO/  (Jerry is listed as a relative)

http://www.intelius.com/results.php?ReportType=1&formname=name&qf=Jerry+&qmi=A&qn=Netz+&qcs=independence%2C+MO&focusfirst=1

I need to connect the dot's:)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 29, 2011, 03:47:03 PM
http://www.weather.com/

I have no clue, where (if anywhere) the (reported) four vehicle's went.  It would not be driving to NYC, in a storm.
Flying?   ::MonkeyEek::
My guess is The Lake of the Ozarks or Florida.  It would almost have to be somewhere rather secluded or word would be out by now.

Thank-you yuknow,  I did not think, the family is keeping a low profile, a secluded area would be the choice.
The kids could be home schooled on the computer.  Today, kids do not need to physically be in a classroom :(



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 29, 2011, 04:07:58 PM
http://www.weather.com/

I have no clue, where (if anywhere) the (reported) four vehicle's went.  It would not be driving to NYC, in a storm.
Flying?   ::MonkeyEek::
My guess is The Lake of the Ozarks or Florida.  It would almost have to be somewhere rather secluded or word would be out by now.

Thank-you yuknow,  I did not think, the family is keeping a low profile, a secluded area would be the choice.
The kids could be home schooled on the computer.  Today, kids do not need to physically be in a classroom :(


Im in Florida and if I se them I will let yall know...lol...but seriously, I dont think they would be allowed to leave the state without LE being aware of it!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 29, 2011, 04:10:43 PM
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/baby-lisa-public-asks-hard-questions-asks-why-won-t-parents-talk-to-police

Baby Lisa: Public asks hard questions, asks why won't parents talk to police?



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 29, 2011, 04:12:22 PM




http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/10/why-jeremy-irwin-refuses-to-be.html

The one comment:
Nancy Grace said that a Grand Jury can compel the boys to talk to LE. That should be done--

 ::ghost::

I did not hear NG mention the above comment. Could this could be the reason, for the great escape, taking those poor children
out in the dark of night?  IMO


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 29, 2011, 04:19:21 PM
Seahorse I think you already have the only Jerry.  Do you recall Mike's dad's first name? 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 29, 2011, 04:23:27 PM
http://www.weather.com/

I have no clue, where (if anywhere) the (reported) four vehicle's went.  It would not be driving to NYC, in a storm.
Flying?   ::MonkeyEek::
My guess is The Lake of the Ozarks or Florida.  It would almost have to be somewhere rather secluded or word would be out by now.

Thank-you yuknow,  I did not think, the family is keeping a low profile, a secluded area would be the choice.
The kids could be home schooled on the computer.  Today, kids do not need to physically be in a classroom :(


Im in Florida and if I se them I will let yall know...lol...but seriously, I dont think they would be allowed to leave the state without LE being aware of it!
LE might be aware of it, but I don't think there is any requirement for them to remain in the state at this point.  I doubt they would obey LE anyway.  I got to thinking and Orlando would be perfect for them to hide, with other people I doubt the boys would be easy to recognize in public.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2011, 04:57:07 PM
When is the Grand Jury in relation to the Lisa Irwin case suppose to convene?

Grand Jury Witnesses?

1.  Mother Debra Bradley = 10:30 PM - 04:00 AM
2.  Father Jeremy Bradley = 12:15 AM - 04:00 AM
3.  Neighbour Witness Maria - 6:30 PM - 10:30 PM
4.  Neighbour Witness Lisa - 12:15 AM
5.  Motorcyclist Witness Mike Thompson - 04:00 AM
6.  Cell Call Recipient Megan Wright - 02:40 AM

Janet

+++++

Clay Co. subpoenas NBC Action News footage in Irwin case
Posted: 10/10/2011


<snipped>

KANSAS CITY, Mo.- Early Monday evening NBC Action News received a grand jury subpoena in relation to the search for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin search.

The Clay County Prosecutor's Office is asking for specific footage.

The office has requested any raw video of any interviews given by family, friends of family and neighbors regarding the missing girl.

Other media outlets have also been served including CNN.

<snipped>

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/clay-co.-subpoenas-nbc-action-news-footage-in-irwin-case



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Curly on October 29, 2011, 05:07:22 PM
http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/2011/10/29/dr-lillian-glass-weighs-in-on-the-baby-lisa-case/
 ::snipping2::

2.The lack of cooperation with law enforcement or the on and off cooperation with law enforcement is another signal. When someone has nothing to hide, they tell ALL and they do EVERYTHING to help law enforcement help them.  No matter .how tough the police get with them, they always cooperate if they have nothing to hide.

 3.Another pattern is when a story ill. She changed. Debbie Bradley changed her story and that is a huge sign something foul must have happened.

4. The justification syndrome is another tell. Admitting she as drunk helps appease her guilt and may justify her actions in her own distorted mind as she may  think ”Well I was drunk- so I am not responsible if anything happened to the baby.”

5. The Adding Clue Syndrome. Debbie maintained all along that three cell phones were taken along with baby Lisa. When someone is trying to create an alibi and take the onus off of themselves  they will  often give out additional information in an attempt to distract.

First of all who would kidnap a child and take not one , not two, but three cell phones? Were the cell phone sall in one neat place or did they have to go around the house to search for  them. If they went around the house searching or cell phones, wouldn’t she or the boys have heard this? The answer is obviously yes.

 Debbie clearly did not think this all the way through when she mentioned the robbery of the  cell phones. Of course they went missing, She didn’t want any evidence on them.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: seahorse on October 29, 2011, 05:12:06 PM
Seahorse I think you already have the only Jerry.  Do you recall Mike's dad's first name? 

Thank-you, Yuknomenot

You refreshened my memory bank :)  I referred to SM "Who's Who", Trimm's, link to kmbc.com "Who's Who"  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.kmbc.com/slideshow/news/29518987/detail.html#ixzz1b9rxIezz

Mike Lerette?  Family spokesman?  Dad?  Hymmm.. ::MonkeyEek::  I do not have conclusive name for his father, yet.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 29, 2011, 05:20:21 PM
Seahorse I think you already have the only Jerry.  Do you recall Mike's dad's first name? 

Thank-you, Yuknomenot

You refreshened my memory bank :)  I referred to SM "Who's Who", Trimm's, link to kmbc.com "Who's Who"  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.kmbc.com/slideshow/news/29518987/detail.html#ixzz1b9rxIezz

Mike Lerette?  Family spokesman?  Dad?  Hymmm.. ::MonkeyEek::  I do not have conclusive name for his father, yet.
OK, thanks, I was hoping.  I have been trying to backtrack a name thru Aunt Cindy but not having much success although I did come up with some other names.  And since they haven't been in the news I will not put them here, but I am sure you've seen them also.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 29, 2011, 05:29:34 PM
Was just thinking, the only way I know how you can't trace where the cells phone are, is if they were put in water..

Why would you buy wine and not a cell phone card, with small children in the house?????

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2011, 05:33:49 PM
Was just thinking, the only way I know how you can't trace where the cells phone are, is if they were put in water..

Why would you buy wine and not a cell phone card, with small children in the house?????

 ::MonkeyEek::

Priorities. If you have a drinking problem your thinking isn't right.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 29, 2011, 06:34:01 PM
Was just thinking, the only way I know how you can't trace where the cells phone are, is if they were put in water..

Why would you buy wine and not a cell phone card, with small children in the house?????

 ::MonkeyEek::
For the same reason you'd drink 5 glasses of wine with small children in the house.  It's all about 'me time'. 
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2011, 07:11:40 PM

When is the Grand Jury in relation to the Lisa Irwin case suppose to convene?

Grand Jury Witnesses?

1.  Mother Debra Bradley = 10:30 PM - 04:00 AM
2.  Father Jeremy Bradley = 12:15 AM - 04:00 AM
3.  Neighbour Witness Maria - 6:30 PM - 10:30 PM
4.  Neighbour Witnesses Lisa and Husband - 12:15 AM
5.  Motorcyclist Witness Mike Thompson - 04:00 AM
6.  Cell Call Recipient Megan Wright - 02:40 AM

Janet

+++++

Clay Co. subpoenas NBC Action News footage in Irwin case
Posted: 10/10/2011


<snipped>

KANSAS CITY, Mo.- Early Monday evening NBC Action News received a grand jury subpoena in relation to the search for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin search.

The Clay County Prosecutor's Office is asking for specific footage.

The office has requested any raw video of any interviews given by family, friends of family and neighbors regarding the missing girl.

Other media outlets have also been served including CNN.

<snipped>

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/clay-co.-subpoenas-nbc-action-news-footage-in-irwin-case



Bumped


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 29, 2011, 08:30:06 PM
Maybe they have gone to Disney World to distract the children from the stress [ or something such as that ] ... Orlando ... because maybe they anticipate an arrest next week ???  Paid for by ???  Dr.Phil ???  ... or someone such as that.

" It' s deja vu all over again."  -- Yogi Berra


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 29, 2011, 08:31:10 PM
(http://media2.nbcactionnews.com//photo/2011/10/29/lisa_20111029142646_320_240.JPG)

Billboards Are An Useful Tool Against Crime
http://www.nbcactionnews.com

-------

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/scakeys-lisa281.jpg)

Gone for the weekend.
http://www.abcnews.com

Notice that nobody is asking the kidnapper for Lisa's safe return anymore.(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/smiley-ape.gif)




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 29, 2011, 08:49:48 PM
Maybe they have gone to Disney World to distract the children from the stress [ or something such as that ] ... Orlando ... because maybe they anticipate an arrest next week ???  Paid for by ???  Dr.Phil ???  ... or someone such as that.

" It' s deja vu all over again."  -- Yogi Berra
Maybe Casey is meeting them at the airport to give the family a tour of Universal Studios where she works........ ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2011, 08:51:37 PM
Klassend is Deborah Bradley (Netz)'s biological father's name Tony Netz?


David Lee Netz Jr. is her dad

Thank you. I wasn't sure if it was a step father.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2011, 08:52:02 PM
Maybe they have gone to Disney World to distract the children from the stress [ or something such as that ] ... Orlando ... because maybe they anticipate an arrest next week ???  Paid for by ???  Dr.Phil ???  ... or someone such as that.

" It' s deja vu all over again."  -- Yogi Berra
Maybe Casey is meeting them at the airport to give the family a tour of Universal Studios where she works........ ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2011, 08:54:58 PM
Is Aunt Cindy LeRette possibly related to Stephen Leverette? 

I noticed the spelling of Leverette in court documents, but the spelling is off from Cindy LeRette.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2011, 08:57:50 PM

Good afternoon monkey;s,

Does anyone know where Jerry fits into the family tree?  TIA

Jerry Alan Netz

http://radaris.com/p/Anthony/Netz/MO/  (Jerry is listed as a relative)

http://www.intelius.com/results.php?ReportType=1&formname=name&qf=Jerry+&qmi=A&qn=Netz+&qcs=independence%2C+MO&focusfirst=1

I need to connect the dot's:)


me too -
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/268/babylisajerrynetzfb.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 29, 2011, 08:58:25 PM
oops meant to add to seahorse that is a photo of Jerry Netz


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 29, 2011, 08:59:28 PM
woodsiecam Woodsie
Bill Stanton had been helping the family load pillows and blankets into the #LisaIrwin family van before the caravan took off #BabyLisa
1 minute ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)
Bill Stanton might be sitting in a jail cell next to the parents if he's trying to help them skip town.  I have a feeling LE is tightening the noose.

Bill Stanton reminds me of Emeril Lagasse. I wonder if he can cook.



 ::MonkeyDevil::     [ Emeril is cuter ]

Judge Jeanine (Fox) will find out (tonight), where the canavan is located, IMO, she will find them.  :)


 ::MonkeyCool::   Yeah - I can hardly wait for her show.  She is as sharp as a tack!
I love Jenine too! I hate to "compare" this with another case but my bets are they are headed for the "Big Apple"......

In a van?? no way


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2011, 09:01:36 PM

Somehow I believe that Debra and Jeremy are aware that investigators have clued in that the alleged abduction was a fabrication and staging to cover up what really happened to their daughter.

Could it be that baby Lisa's demise was unintended but ... resulted from an impulsive act of wrongdoing ... an impulsive act of rage/frustration ... an impulsive act that could not be taken back?

Considering Debra and Jeremy did not leave town on their own ... I doubt that the weekend getaway was about an interview with a network.  Could it be in anticipation of upcoming arrests.  In other words ... baby Lisa's parents can read the writing on the wall.

Could Ono have hit the nail on the head.  Is this extended family getaway being paid for by one of the major networks in anticipation of an exclusive?

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2011, 09:03:40 PM
Maybe they have gone to Disney World to distract the children from the stress [ or something such as that ] ... Orlando ... because maybe they anticipate an arrest next week ???  Paid for by ???  Dr.Phil ???  ... or someone such as that.

" It' s deja vu all over again."  -- Yogi Berra
Maybe Casey is meeting them at the airport to give the family a tour of Universal Studios where she works........ ::MonkeyDevil::

cartfly ... you are a hoot!

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 29, 2011, 09:04:18 PM
Judge Jenine on now- FOX


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2011, 09:09:07 PM
cartfly

I do not get the FOX channel ... just CNN/HLN.  When choosing ... hubby and I played "Rock, Paper, Sissors" and ... I lost big time.  He got the both the History and Discovery channels.

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 29, 2011, 09:12:54 PM

Somehow I believe that Debra and Jeremy are aware that investigators have clued in that the alleged abduction was a fabrication and staging to cover up what really happened to their daughter.

Could it be that baby Lisa's demise was unintended but ... resulted from an impulsive act of wrongdoing ... an impulsive act of rage/frustration ... an impulsive act that could not be taken back?

Considering Debra and Jeremy did not leave town on their own ... I doubt that the weekend getaway was about an interview with a network.  Could it be in anticipation of upcoming arrests.  In other words ... baby Lisa's parents can read the writing on the wall.

Could Ono have hit the nail on the head.  Is this extended family getaway being paid for by one of the major networks in anticipation of an exclusive?

Janet

"Thank you Thank you, I'll be here all week" (LOL, have to laugh a little this case is so sad)
~
Great post Janet!
I agree if baby Lisa died in her own home that it was unintentional.


This Megan Wright thing scares me a bit. Judge Jenines show that "Megan" was seen near the Irwin's house several times the day after Lisa disappeared. Neighbors recognized her. Maybe this is why the grand jury wants raw footage. I thought I had it all figured out and now I am questioning myself again.....ugh


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 29, 2011, 09:12:55 PM
Can someone give us highlights?  My kids are movie watching so I'm stuck.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 29, 2011, 09:18:00 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/JudgeJeanine (http://twitter.com/#!/JudgeJeanine)

JudgeJeanine Jeanine Pirro
going to talk about Lisa's brothers next. they're young, but kids can sometimes be important witnesses.
1 minute ago
Jeanine Pirro
JudgeJeanine Jeanine Pirro
in the studio,5 mins to showtime!grab the remote&click over to fox news!I'll be checking in during commercials-so tweet questions/feedback!
18 minutes ago
Jeanine Pirro
JudgeJeanine Jeanine Pirro
@
@Pudders99 9pm ET "justice" will be live on fox news.
2 hours ago
Jeanine Pirro
JudgeJeanine Jeanine Pirro
Bill Stanton will be on talking about baby Lisa case-- what questions do you want me to ask him?
2 hours ago


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 29, 2011, 09:20:47 PM
Nothing breaking, just what we know so far on Judge Janine. Mark Furhman and John picket a forenscic specialist who interviews children are guest.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2011, 09:21:30 PM
I love Jenine too! I hate to "compare" this with another case but my bets are they are headed for the "Big Apple"......

In a van?? no way


Considering four vans of extended family left on this getaway ... I agree AZSunny. 

How ya doing hon?  It has been a while.

Janet




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 29, 2011, 09:24:07 PM
Mark F: boys were interviewed in the preliminary interview before DB admitted to drinking and changing time line. Police need to interview kids again.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 29, 2011, 09:28:06 PM
Can someone give us highlights?  My kids are movie watching so I'm stuck.
Same here.   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: supersleuth99 on October 29, 2011, 09:28:37 PM
I wonder if this is THE Megan Wright - from casenet
Is this Deb's cousin Steve?  He may be Megan's ex boyfriend.

LEVERETTE , STEVEN L JR , Petitioner Acting Pro Se          
5234 GARFIELD AVE
KANSAS CITY, MO 64130

Year of Birth: 1983       

WRIGHT , MEGAN R , Respondent          
7022 WOODSON
KANSAS CITY, MO 64133


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 29, 2011, 09:31:48 PM
Jeanine Pirro: It took me five minutes to walk from Irwin house to dumpster where fire was reported. 2 minutes to drive.
Talking about the sightings of man carrying baby from 12-4

Discussing cops showing DB burned clothing with Dr Wecht


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2011, 09:37:54 PM
Jeanine Pirro: It took me five minutes to walk from Irwin house to dumpster where fire was reported. 2 minutes to drive.
Talking about the sightings of man carrying baby from 12-4

Discussing cops showing DB burned clothing with Dr Wecht

Thanks for the updates cartfly.

What time was the dumpster fire?

Janet



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 29, 2011, 09:38:36 PM
Bill Stanton on now. He is upset...."ks pd doing great job", he is avoiding the ? where is the family


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 29, 2011, 09:42:47 PM
Stanton attacking Furhman saying DB did it but won't say how. "It is fine to look at DB but what about the sightings" (Stanton)

Jenine: What are the parents doing?

Stanton: I took the family away, they are on a little break. They are under tremendous pressure. Stanton wants to know how DB did this?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 29, 2011, 09:46:28 PM
Bill: I will do what I need to keep eyes on this. But I will not interfere with KC PD

Judge J: Do they know Megan?

Bill: She may not know them, but maybe she (Megan) knows someone else in this picture.
"Why would someone take the phones if DB did it?"

Judge J is grilling Stanton and he is dancing around what he knows


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 29, 2011, 09:48:56 PM
Is Aunt Cindy LeRette possibly related to Stephen Leverette? 

I noticed the spelling of Leverette in court documents, but the spelling is off from Cindy LeRette.


Back a few generations in my family there was a slight spelling change in our last name and some members of the family use a completely different pronunciation.  I was looking at the possiblity that somewhere along the line there might have been a name change from Leverette to LeRette.  It strikes me as odd to have Chivalette, LeRette and now Leverette all associated  with the same case.   


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 29, 2011, 09:53:04 PM
Judge J: U still havent told me where you whisked them away.

Bill: They are not hiding.  It doesnt have anything to do with case. (family wear abouts)
Judge J: Do they know Megan?

Bill: She may know someone who is under this scope.

judge: will the children be interviewed?

Bill: That is a Tacopina question


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 29, 2011, 09:59:49 PM
uhh...MW changed her profile picture.....

https://www.facebook.com/Juggalette.Skittles?sk=wall

 https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 29, 2011, 10:11:30 PM
Maybe they have gone to Disney World to distract the children from the stress [ or something such as that ] ... Orlando ... because maybe they anticipate an arrest next week ???  Paid for by ???  Dr.Phil ???  ... or someone such as that.

" It' s deja vu all over again."  -- Yogi Berra
Maybe Casey is meeting them at the airport to give the family a tour of Universal Studios where she works........ ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeyJnBox::    CinCin is preparing chili by the quartload just in case they drop by.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 29, 2011, 10:14:45 PM
cartfly

I do not get the FOX channel ... just CNN/HLN.  When choosing ... hubby and I played "Rock, Paper, Sissors" and ... I lost big time.  He got the both the History and Discovery channels.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet~ I think y'all need to have a rematch :)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 29, 2011, 10:15:53 PM
I wonder if this is THE Megan Wright - from casenet
Is this Deb's cousin Steve?  He may be Megan's ex boyfriend.

LEVERETTE , STEVEN L JR , Petitioner Acting Pro Se          
5234 GARFIELD AVE
KANSAS CITY, MO 64130

Year of Birth: 1983       

WRIGHT , MEGAN R , Respondent          
7022 WOODSON
KANSAS CITY, MO 64133
Megan's address here is Raytown which is where it appears Aunt Cindy LeRette lives.  Here's a google map http://maps.google.com/maps?q=6107+northern+ave&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x87c0e3b9681bb215:0x7225d31ceda58e97,6107+Northern+Ave,+Raytown,+MO+64133&gl=us&ei=jbGsTq6cDbODsAKHs6iGDw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBsQ8gEwAA (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=6107+northern+ave&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x87c0e3b9681bb215:0x7225d31ceda58e97,6107+Northern+Ave,+Raytown,+MO+64133&gl=us&ei=jbGsTq6cDbODsAKHs6iGDw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBsQ8gEwAA)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2011, 10:21:22 PM
cartfly

I do not get the FOX channel ... just CNN/HLN.  When choosing ... hubby and I played "Rock, Paper, Sissors" and ... I lost big time.  He got the both the History and Discovery channels.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet~ I think y'all need to have a rematch :)

I was a graceful loser but ... I had a method in my madness. My thought process was ... when this guy is watching his History and Discovery Channels ... I can be on the computer guilt free.

Again ... thanks for the updates of tonights interview.  Lots of food for thought.  I will post my two bits later.

Janet



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 29, 2011, 10:24:34 PM
One thing I found curiously interesting is Judge Jeanine did not mention the dogs' hitting on decomposition in the bedroom -- even when Dr. Wecht was asked what his opinion was and he stated there was no evidence the baby was harmed - so it must have been a kidnapping.   Omitting that was interesting.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 29, 2011, 10:25:08 PM
Thank you for posting the action Cartfly!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on October 29, 2011, 10:36:40 PM
uhh...MW changed her profile picture.....

https://www.facebook.com/Juggalette.Skittles?sk=wall

 https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg)



Just the kind of gal you want to bring home to meet your family. cough


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 29, 2011, 10:49:48 PM
Maybe they have gone to Disney World to distract the children from the stress [ or something such as that ] ... Orlando ... because maybe they anticipate an arrest next week ???  Paid for by ???  Dr.Phil ???  ... or someone such as that.

" It' s deja vu all over again."  -- Yogi Berra
Maybe Casey is meeting them at the airport to give the family a tour of Universal Studios where she works........ ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeyJnBox::    CinCin is preparing chili by the quartload just in case they drop by.

If that happens they will all have "shizzel" by tomorrow!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 29, 2011, 10:51:44 PM
Thank you for posting the action Cartfly!   ::MonkeyKiss::
YW,  ::MonkeyAngel::

There really wasn't any new information other than M. Wright being in the neighborhood close to the Irwin's house. It was also fun to see Judge Jeanine grill Mr Bill....he was a good sport though. I wish her show would provide transcripts so we could have an accurate record of what was said.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 29, 2011, 10:55:04 PM
uhh...MW changed her profile picture.....

https://www.facebook.com/Juggalette.Skittles?sk=wall

 https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg)



Just the kind of gal you want to bring home to meet your family. cough
If my son came home with anyone resembling this, I believe I would have to call in reinforcements.......someone like Tamikosmom (Janet).  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 29, 2011, 10:59:24 PM
Thank you for posting the action Cartfly!   ::MonkeyKiss::
YW,  ::MonkeyAngel::

There really wasn't any new information other than M. Wright being in the neighborhood close to the Irwin's house. It was also fun to see Judge Jeanine grill Mr Bill....he was a good sport though. I wish her show would provide transcripts so we could have an accurate record of what was said.

I wish her show provided transcripts too.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/justice-jeanine/index.html
I see there are videos at this site, but no transcripts. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 29, 2011, 11:03:01 PM
One thing I found curiously interesting is Judge Jeanine did not mention the dogs' hitting on decomposition in the bedroom -- even when Dr. Wecht was asked what his opinion was and he stated there was no evidence the baby was harmed - so it must have been a kidnapping.   Omitting that was interesting.
Thanks for bringing that up. That was the biggest news of the week. It is interesting that they did not speak a word about that and what it could mean. Do you think the dog hit on an item near the bed, like a blanket? The hit must not have been directly on the carpet or LE surely would have cut it out or hauled the whole thing out right? Could LE be waiting or testing something in relation to where the dog hit on decomp?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 29, 2011, 11:04:55 PM
Have ya'll seen the poll at Justice with Judge Jeanine's Website?
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/justice-jeanine/index.html


The Judge's Poll
Does postponing interviews with Lisa Irwin's brothers cast suspicion on family?
(You can vote yes, no or not sure)

View Results (Current)

The Judge's Poll

Does postponing interviews with Lisa Irwin's brothers cast suspicion on family?
Yes  75.9%  (63 votes) 
 
No  18.07%  (15 votes) 
 
not sure  6.02%  (5 votes) 



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cookie on October 29, 2011, 11:09:34 PM
Lisa's little brothers have to be so confused and hurting.I feel so bad for them


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 29, 2011, 11:21:02 PM
Lisa's little brothers have to be so confused and hurting.I feel so bad for them


I agree, cookie. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 29, 2011, 11:36:31 PM
Was just thinking, the only way I know how you can't trace where the cells phone are, is if they were put in water..

Why would you buy wine and not a cell phone card, with small children in the house?????

 ::MonkeyEek::
For the same reason you'd drink 5 glasses of wine with small children in the house.  It's all about 'me time'. 
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::rhino::

AND, I just don't understand why, after your child is "missing", you wouldn't be self blaming for the disappearance because you were out of it at the time she went missing. Something just is not right about that.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 29, 2011, 11:42:52 PM
uhh...MW changed her profile picture.....

https://www.facebook.com/Juggalette.Skittles?sk=wall

 https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg)



Just the kind of gal you want to bring home to meet your family. cough
If my son came home with anyone resembling this, I believe I would have to call in reinforcements.......someone like Tamikosmom (Janet).  ::MonkeyCool::

I don't think I would be much help.  Prior to high school graduation eldest son did bring home a "doozie" to me us.  As there were other issues of concern in regard to attitude ... we decided we would pick my battles.  We welcomed the love of his life with open arms but ... secretly prayed that the infactuation would pass.  It didn't and today that "doozie" is my wonderful DIL ... a great wife to our son and ... a great mother to  our two beautiful grandkids.  Somehow I believe if drugs do not enter the scenario these young people who do not want to conform do mature ... grow a brain and ... turn their lives around.

I believe that there is a Jeremy/Megan connection.  Could it be that Jeremy called Megan to pick him up following the 12:15 AM observation by the neighbor couple of a male with a baby in his arms and then three hours later drove him 3 miles away where he was observed by the motorcyclist?  In other words ... furthering an abduction fabrication/staging.

What time was the dumpster fire?

Janet
 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 29, 2011, 11:44:20 PM
I wonder if this is THE Megan Wright - from casenet
Is this Deb's cousin Steve?  He may be Megan's ex boyfriend.

LEVERETTE , STEVEN L JR , Petitioner Acting Pro Se          
5234 GARFIELD AVE
KANSAS CITY, MO 64130

Year of Birth: 1983       

WRIGHT , MEGAN R , Respondent          
7022 WOODSON
KANSAS CITY, MO 64133
Megan's address here is Raytown which is where it appears Aunt Cindy LeRette lives.  Here's a google map http://maps.google.com/maps?q=6107+northern+ave&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x87c0e3b9681bb215:0x7225d31ceda58e97,6107+Northern+Ave,+Raytown,+MO+64133&gl=us&ei=jbGsTq6cDbODsAKHs6iGDw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBsQ8gEwAA (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=6107+northern+ave&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x87c0e3b9681bb215:0x7225d31ceda58e97,6107+Northern+Ave,+Raytown,+MO+64133&gl=us&ei=jbGsTq6cDbODsAKHs6iGDw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBsQ8gEwAA)

This was the first thought that came to mind after reading the website of the electrical business which employs Jeremy Irwin that someone posted here yesterday.

The Lerette and Leverette are spelled differently, so I assumed they are two different families.

There was rumor that the electrical company boss' son was the boyfriend of the red headed monster. Again, a rumor until confirmed.

The article in the message yesterday quoted Megan as saying that she and her ex boyfriend used to ride around in the area, not that they rode around in the area the night of the incident.

If the boss is related to the Lerettes, then there is no question. It's called inbreding.

 ::ghost::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 29, 2011, 11:59:31 PM
Has anyone heard or read of Bill Stanton doing any investigating?

Has he done interviews with witnesses? Has he been seen all over town doing research? Has he followed any leads from witnesses and done searches?

To me the only thing he seems to be doing is public relations - going on television talk show interviews not really answering questions, giving press releases of nothing...

He's earning his pay.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 30, 2011, 12:05:37 AM
Judge jeanine replay on FOX now for those who may have gained control of the remote control from your hubby/children


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 30, 2011, 12:08:50 AM
I wonder if this is THE Megan Wright - from casenet
Is this Deb's cousin Steve?  He may be Megan's ex boyfriend.

LEVERETTE , STEVEN L JR , Petitioner Acting Pro Se          
5234 GARFIELD AVE
KANSAS CITY, MO 64130

Year of Birth: 1983       

WRIGHT , MEGAN R , Respondent          
7022 WOODSON
KANSAS CITY, MO 64133
Megan's address here is Raytown which is where it appears Aunt Cindy LeRette lives.  Here's a google map http://maps.google.com/maps?q=6107+northern+ave&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x87c0e3b9681bb215:0x7225d31ceda58e97,6107+Northern+Ave,+Raytown,+MO+64133&gl=us&ei=jbGsTq6cDbODsAKHs6iGDw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBsQ8gEwAA (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=6107+northern+ave&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x87c0e3b9681bb215:0x7225d31ceda58e97,6107+Northern+Ave,+Raytown,+MO+64133&gl=us&ei=jbGsTq6cDbODsAKHs6iGDw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBsQ8gEwAA)

This was the first thought that came to mind after reading the website of the electrical business which employs Jeremy Irwin that someone posted here yesterday.

The Lerette and Leverette are spelled differently, so I assumed they are two different families.

There was rumor that the electrical company boss' son was the boyfriend of the red headed monster. Again, a rumor until confirmed.

The article in the message yesterday quoted Megan as saying that she and her ex boyfriend used to ride around in the area, not that they rode around in the area the night of the incident.

If the boss is related to the Lerettes, then there is no question. It's called inbreding.

 ::ghost::

Just remove the ve from Leverette. My family name was changed slightly years ago and some use the original spelling, some the newer version.  Also some pronounce it differently than others.  I imagine it might happen more often than we'd think.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 30, 2011, 12:14:16 AM
Was just thinking, the only way I know how you can't trace where the cells phone are, is if they were put in water..

Why would you buy wine and not a cell phone card, with small children in the house?????

 ::MonkeyEek::
For the same reason you'd drink 5 glasses of wine with small children in the house.  It's all about 'me time'. 
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::rhino::

AND, I just don't understand why, after your child is "missing", you wouldn't be self blaming for the disappearance because you were out of it at the time she went missing. Something just is not right about that.

Jmo
I don't think db was drunk.
How do we know db didn't go out after the kids were a sleep????

If clothes from db's house were indeed burned.  Who's/why?
Did Lisa's pajama's have blood on them?
I don't think Lisa went to bed with the cloths that db said.

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 30, 2011, 12:17:24 AM

When is the Grand Jury in relation to the Lisa Irwin case suppose to convene?

Grand Jury Witnesses?

1.  Mother Debra Bradley = 10:30 PM - 04:00 AM
2.  Father Jeremy Bradley = 12:15 AM - 04:00 AM
3.  Neighbour Witness Maria - 4:00 PM - 10:30 PM
4.  Neighbour Witnesses Lisa and Husband - 12:15 AM
5.  Cell Call Recipient Megan Wright - 02:40 AM
6.  Motorcyclist Witness Mike Thompson - 04:00 AM

Janet

+++++

Clay Co. subpoenas NBC Action News footage in Irwin case
Posted: 10/10/2011


<snipped>

KANSAS CITY, Mo.- Early Monday evening NBC Action News received a grand jury subpoena in relation to the search for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin search.

The Clay County Prosecutor's Office is asking for specific footage.

The office has requested any raw video of any interviews given by family, friends of family and neighbors regarding the missing girl.

Other media outlets have also been served including CNN.

<snipped>

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/clay-co.-subpoenas-nbc-action-news-footage-in-irwin-case



(Continued)

7.  Baby Lisa's Brothers - 10:30 PM - 12:15 AM




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 30, 2011, 12:18:53 AM
uhh...MW changed her profile picture.....

https://www.facebook.com/Juggalette.Skittles?sk=wall

 https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg)



Just the kind of gal you want to bring home to meet your family. cough
If my son came home with anyone resembling this, I believe I would have to call in reinforcements.......someone like Tamikosmom (Janet).  ::MonkeyCool::

I don't think I would be much help.  Prior to high school graduation eldest son did bring home a "doozie" to me us.  As there were other issues of concern in regard to attitude ... we decided we would pick my battles.  We welcomed the love of his life with open arms but ... secretly prayed that the infactuation would pass.  It didn't and today that "doozie" is my wonderful DIL ... a great wife to our son and ... a great mother to  our two beautiful grandkids.  Somehow I believe if drugs do not enter the scenario these young people who do not want to conform do mature ... grow a brain and ... turn their lives around.

I believe that there is a Jeremy/Megan connection.  Could it be that Jeremy called Megan to pick him up following the 12:15 AM observation by the neighbor couple of a male with a baby in his arms and then three hours later drove him 3 miles away where he was observed by the motorcyclist?  In other words ... furthering an abduction fabrication/staging.

What time was the dumpster fire?

Janet
 


If I remember correctly the dumpster fire was around 2:30 ish, about the same time as the "alleged" cell phone call from one of the phones. I still do not know where the "rumor" of the cellphone text originated from. The actual call (not a text) is new to me and I believe it was said on Jeanine's show that the call to Megan was in the 2:30 ish range as well.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 30, 2011, 12:22:51 AM

I believe that there is a Jeremy/Megan connection.  Could it be that Jeremy called Megan to pick him up following the 12:15 AM observation by the neighbor couple of a male with a baby in his arms and then three hours later drove him 3 miles away where he was observed by the motorcyclist?  In other words ... furthering an abduction fabrication/staging.

What time was the dumpster fire?

Janet
 


If I remember correctly the dumpster fire was around 2:30 ish, about the same time as the "alleged" cell phone call from one of the phones. I still do not know where the "rumor" of the cellphone text originated from. The actual call (not a text) is new to me and I believe it was said on Jeanine's show that the call to Megan was in the 2:30 ish range as well.
 

Thanks cartfly.

The 4:00 AM motorcyclist observation of a male carry a baby does not fit into a 2:30  dumpster fire timeline.

I hope the truth emerges.  I hope that justice prevails for baby Lisa.

Janet



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 30, 2011, 12:23:29 AM
Good Night All.

Janet
9:20 PM PT


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 30, 2011, 12:24:23 AM
uhh...MW changed her profile picture.....

https://www.facebook.com/Juggalette.Skittles?sk=wall

 https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/260623_673452540_692108192_n.jpg)



Just the kind of gal you want to bring home to meet your family. cough
If my son came home with anyone resembling this, I believe I would have to call in reinforcements.......someone like Tamikosmom (Janet).  ::MonkeyCool::

I don't think I would be much help.  Prior to high school graduation eldest son did bring home a "doozie" to me us.  As there were other issues of concern in regard to attitude ... we decided we would pick my battles.  We welcomed the love of his life with open arms but ... secretly prayed that the infactuation would pass.  It didn't and today that "doozie" is my wonderful DIL ... a great wife to our son and ... a great mother to  our two beautiful grandkids.  Somehow I believe if drugs do not enter the scenario these young people who do not want to conform do mature ... grow a brain and ... turn their lives around.

I believe that there is a Jeremy/Megan connection.  Could it be that Jeremy called Megan to pick him up following the 12:15 AM observation by the neighbor couple of a male with a baby in his arms and then three hours later drove him 3 miles away where he was observed by the motorcyclist?  In other words ... furthering an abduction fabrication/staging.

What time was the dumpster fire?

Janet
 


If I remember correctly the dumpster fire was around 2:30 ish, about the same time as the "alleged" cell phone call from one of the phones. I still do not know where the "rumor" of the cellphone text originated from. The actual call (not a text) is new to me and I believe it was said on Jeanine's show that the call to Megan was in the 2:30 ish range as well.

It was also rumored that the text message came from Deborah's brother's phone, saying "I'm ready when you are." Again, maybe just rumor, but many rumors are turning to be true lately.

About that picture, that girl is really smoking it in... thick white smoke...



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 30, 2011, 12:26:04 AM
Good Night All.

Janet
9:20 PM PT

Niters, Ms. Mom.

  ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 30, 2011, 12:35:42 AM
I wonder if this is THE Megan Wright - from casenet
Is this Deb's cousin Steve?  He may be Megan's ex boyfriend.

LEVERETTE , STEVEN L JR , Petitioner Acting Pro Se          
5234 GARFIELD AVE
KANSAS CITY, MO 64130

Year of Birth: 1983       

WRIGHT , MEGAN R , Respondent          
7022 WOODSON
KANSAS CITY, MO 64133

There are several interesting charges there on case net from protection orders to dissolution with children. I think DB's cousin is Steve Netz unless I am confused again.

Earlier, a smarter monkey said this is JI's boss' son unless I misunderstood. (so there is a Steve Jr and Steve Sr)
I am still behind in catching up. Is this the connection Bill Stanton was implying that Megan has with the Irwin family? Didn't JI have the only working cell phone in his pocket that he borrowed from someone at work? Could it had been Steve L. Jr.'s phone?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 30, 2011, 12:38:55 AM
Sorry, I meant to include the case net link for gleaning:

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name  (https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 30, 2011, 12:43:51 AM
Sweet dreams Janet~~

Your right about the rumors Itaryl Moosee! It is as if LE is dropping info to the public to elicit a response. (I have know idea if LE does this, but I do not recall so many rumors proving to be correct in a case before) coincidence?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 30, 2011, 04:16:59 AM
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/299763_142975029122374_100002296340511_259530_5366598_n.jpg)
Brenda K. Netz
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002296340511
married to David Netz Sr.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002804066081

POST:
Deborah Netz My beautiful MeMa! I love u!
August 18 at 8:12pm

(Deborah Netz is Deborah Bradley  Baby Lisa's mother)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Fanta on October 30, 2011, 07:11:44 AM
Question:  Do we have any report from the police, quote from the police that specifically states Deborah withheld information of her drinking the night of Lisa's disappearance from the police?  Or - did she keep this info from the media only - admitting to it only after the video of her buying wine was discovered?

???



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 30, 2011, 09:09:04 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/29/fbi-considers-juggalos-a-gang_n_1065110.html
FBI Considers Juggalos, Fans Of Insane Clown Posse, A Gang In Annual Report
First Posted: 10/29/11 12:20 PM ET Updated: 10/29/11 12:29 PM ET


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 30, 2011, 09:14:35 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15902780/day-26-thursday-will-mark-1-month-since-baby-was-last-seen
Day 26: Thursday will mark 1 month since baby was last seen


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2011, 09:34:04 AM
I was thinking about all that's gone on in Lisa Irwin's case this past few days, including the firing of Cynthia Short as the Irwin's attorney and bringing on board Joe Tacopina, the cancellation of interviews with local news, the cancellation of the interviews & dna gathering from the two boys, Bill Stanton's appearance on Justice with Judge Jeanine last night and of course the Irwin family taking a break due to stress and leaving.

I think when Joe Tacopina came on board, the whole defense situation got a reassessment.  There was so much negative going on, I think that's why the Irwin's are out of the picture for a few days.  Perhaps a few days of speculation of where the family is located is better than all the negatives that were coming about this past week.  JMHO  I think Joe Tacopina, along with Bill Stanton and others are working on damage control.  I expect to see a lot more changes as the week progresses.  I just wonder if we'll see some arrests.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2011, 09:42:03 AM
I'll be watching for for his tweets on the case tomorrow.


http://twitter.com/#!/heycameraman (http://twitter.com/#!/heycameraman)
Heycameraman HC
@
@kshbphotog ha! I'm off till Monday and will probably be back on the Irwin story. :/
9 hours ago



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 30, 2011, 10:06:03 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/29/fbi-considers-juggalos-a-gang_n_1065110.html
FBI Considers Juggalos, Fans Of Insane Clown Posse, A Gang In Annual Report
First Posted: 10/29/11 12:20 PM ET Updated: 10/29/11 12:29 PM ET


Scratching my head....... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on October 30, 2011, 10:06:48 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15902780/day-26-thursday-will-mark-1-month-since-baby-was-last-seen (http://www.kctv5.com/story/15902780/day-26-thursday-will-mark-1-month-since-baby-was-last-seen)

Day 26: Thursday will mark 1 month since baby was last seen

By Laura McCallister, Multimedia Producer - email
By Jeanene Kiesling, Reporter - bio | email
By Chris Oberholtz, Multimedia Producer

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

It is Day 26 in the search for baby Lisa, and once again, on Saturday, people gathered outside her home to pray for her safe return.

Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin were not there, and the family has been laying low all weekend.

Last week their local attorney, Cyndy Short, was fired.

No statements from any family members or their attorneys are expected until next week.

Thursday will mark one month since baby Lisa was last seen.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on October 30, 2011, 10:09:51 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/30/baby-lisa-billboard_n_1065701.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/30/baby-lisa-billboard_n_1065701.html)

Baby Lisa Search: Digital Billboards Raise Awareness Of Missing Missouri Infant

(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/389732/thumbs/r-BABY-LISA-BILLBOARD-large570.jpg)

By BILL DRAPER, Associated Press

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Nearly a decade ago, a suburban Kansas City man desperately searching for his teenage daughter's killer divined an idea: Place a "wanted" poster with the suspect's picture on a billboard.

A year later, Leawood, Kan., resident Roger Kemp got his wish and investigators got their man. Two anonymous tipsters who had seen the Kansas City billboards recognized the photo and contacted police.

Today, law enforcement agencies nationwide say billboards – especially digital ones – have become a valuable tool in their high-tech crime-fighting arsenal. This week, more than a dozen electronic billboards began flashing pictures of little Lisa Irwin, the missing Kansas City baby who was 10 months old when her parents reported her missing Oct. 4.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 30, 2011, 10:13:15 AM
One thing I found curiously interesting is Judge Jeanine did not mention the dogs' hitting on decomposition in the bedroom -- even when Dr. Wecht was asked what his opinion was and he stated there was no evidence the baby was harmed - so it must have been a kidnapping.   Omitting that was interesting.
Thanks for bringing that up. That was the biggest news of the week. It is interesting that they did not speak a word about that and what it could mean. Do you think the dog hit on an item near the bed, like a blanket? The hit must not have been directly on the carpet or LE surely would have cut it out or hauled the whole thing out right? Could LE be waiting or testing something in relation to where the dog hit on decomp?

Good question - who knows?   But another thing which seemed interesting was there was only one delivering heavy opinion
negative to Deborah, Mark Furhman, and the rest offered somewhat fluffy opinions in the opposite direction.  "We report, you decide" foremat certainly - which is a good thing.

Guessing this upcoming week might see some new action -- it's hard to tell.   This case is mind - bending and heartbreaking.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 30, 2011, 10:23:04 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/29/fbi-considers-juggalos-a-gang_n_1065110.html
FBI Considers Juggalos, Fans Of Insane Clown Posse, A Gang In Annual Report
First Posted: 10/29/11 12:20 PM ET Updated: 10/29/11 12:29 PM ET


Scratching my head....... ::MonkeyDevil::
I posted it that because of the juggalette reference in Megan Wright's Facebook contact info.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 30, 2011, 10:34:49 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/29/fbi-considers-juggalos-a-gang_n_1065110.html
FBI Considers Juggalos, Fans Of Insane Clown Posse, A Gang In Annual Report
First Posted: 10/29/11 12:20 PM ET Updated: 10/29/11 12:29 PM ET


Scratching my head....... ::MonkeyDevil::
I posted it that because of the juggalette reference in Megan Wright's Facebook contact info.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh boy, is she one of them?  Guess we know why the pink hair then. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 30, 2011, 10:37:31 AM
iridetinman Brooke
 by Pamj628
#babylisa Megan Wright's ex and his rich daddy who owns a lucrative electrical business in KC IMO will tie this up real soon.Did JI work for


https://twitter.com/#!/iridetinman (https://twitter.com/#!/iridetinman)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 30, 2011, 12:37:44 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-psychic-weighs-in-baby-lisa-case-20111030,0,463365.story
Psychic Weighs in on Baby Lisa Case
Gia Vang, FOX 4 News Christie Walton Web Producer
10:49 a.m. CDT, October 30, 2011

 ::snipping2::
Arachne has been a psychic for more than 30 years. She knows that people have a skewed perception especially with this high profile cast. Still, she offered to read Tarot cards related to this case.
Arachne's tarot card for law enforcement came out upside down.

"This would represent law enforcement," said Arachne. "If it were right side up, that would be one thing, but it's upside down, it means law enforcement really doesn't have a clue."

Arachne believes baby Lisa is alive and was taken by someone not connected to the family, but has been inside the home.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 30, 2011, 12:56:17 PM
Is this the person that is on here?
Hasn't posted much, her url of her homepage is reading Tarot cards.
Can't remember her name, had about total 400 post since she was a member.

Have no clue which thread, maybe 2-3 threads back.
 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on October 30, 2011, 01:04:03 PM
Is this the person that is on here?
Hasn't posted much, her url of her homepage is reading Tarot cards.
Can't remember her name, had about total 400 post since she was a member.

Have no clue which thread, maybe 2-3 threads back.
 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Not affiliated or a member of SM as far as I can tell  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: tcumom on October 30, 2011, 01:31:48 PM
Is this the person that is on here?
Hasn't posted much, her url of her homepage is reading Tarot cards.
Can't remember her name, had about total 400 post since she was a member.

Have no clue which thread, maybe 2-3 threads back.
 ::MonkeyJnBox::
I know who you're talking about . . . does she have the word *moon* in her screen name?   I'll try to look.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 30, 2011, 01:47:43 PM
Is this the person that is on here?
Hasn't posted much, her url of her homepage is reading Tarot cards.
Can't remember her name, had about total 400 post since she was a member.

Have no clue which thread, maybe 2-3 threads back.
 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Not affiliated or a member of SM as far as I can tell  ::MonkeyCool::

Found it........

Wildingheart
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Re: Lisa Irwin #4 10/21/11 -
« Reply #234 on: October 22, 2011, 02:51:36 PM »
I am not around that often, and am trying my best to keep my distance from this case...but when I am around...I am here reading. Even though I'm not a very faithful poster, I still admire you guys and all that you do.

I don't see how you stand it, and I know without a doubt the only reason you stay with it is because there is a chance you might do some good.

My heart is sick over this child...especially since it's coming on the heels of Caylee, Zahra and many other precious lives that have been so brutally cut short.

I am praying for Lisa and also all of you, because anyone who can do this day to day deserves prayers and praise.

I am literally shaking all over as I type this...I have no idea why it is affecting me this way. This isn't a healthy frame of mind, but I just can't seem to overcome it. Peace to you all and God Bless.

My Blog:
http://moonsmuse.blogspot.com/

Really a neat blog btw.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: tupelohoney on October 30, 2011, 01:54:50 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein (http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein)

JimLichtenstein Jim Lichtenstein
@
It's so sad. Doesn't seem like anybody's looking for her now. @acole918 hello jim! I live in KC. Welcome! Hope we find this little one soon
21 hours ago


I pray someone is out looking for her, it's way too soon to stop.  I hope JL doesn't know what he's talking about concerning this.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on October 30, 2011, 02:00:39 PM
Is this the person that is on here?
Hasn't posted much, her url of her homepage is reading Tarot cards.
Can't remember her name, had about total 400 post since she was a member.

Have no clue which thread, maybe 2-3 threads back.
 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Not affiliated or a member of SM as far as I can tell  ::MonkeyCool::

Found it........

Wildingheart
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Re: Lisa Irwin #4 10/21/11 -
« Reply #234 on: October 22, 2011, 02:51:36 PM »
I am not around that often, and am trying my best to keep my distance from this case...but when I am around...I am here reading. Even though I'm not a very faithful poster, I still admire you guys and all that you do.

I don't see how you stand it, and I know without a doubt the only reason you stay with it is because there is a chance you might do some good.

My heart is sick over this child...especially since it's coming on the heels of Caylee, Zahra and many other precious lives that have been so brutally cut short.

I am praying for Lisa and also all of you, because anyone who can do this day to day deserves prayers and praise.

I am literally shaking all over as I type this...I have no idea why it is affecting me this way. This isn't a healthy frame of mind, but I just can't seem to overcome it. Peace to you all and God Bless.

My Blog:
http://moonsmuse.blogspot.com/

Really a neat blog btw.... ::MonkeyWink::

Yes but as far as I can tell not the same people  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 30, 2011, 02:20:33 PM
I'm not into this stuff, however a good read.
Was done Oct 12, 2011..    ::MonkeyJnBox::

http://solarspectrumtarot.blogspot.com/2011/10/lisa-irwin.html (http://solarspectrumtarot.blogspot.com/2011/10/lisa-irwin.html)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 30, 2011, 02:21:12 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29630795/detail.html
Stanton, Baby Lisa's Family 'Laying Low'
Former KC Attorney Announces Monday News Conference
POSTED: 12:14 pm CDT October 30, 2011
UPDATED: 12:50 pm CDT October 30, 201

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Bill Stanton, the New York-based private investigator who is consulting the family of missing baby Lisa Irwin, said that he and the baby's family would be keeping a low profile this weekend.
 ::snipping2::

Kansas City attorney Cyndi Short, who confirmed on Friday that she was no longer representing parents Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, said Sunday that she would continue to search for the baby as a concerned citizen. Short scheduled a news conference on Monday, which will be carried live on KMBC.com.

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29630795/detail.html#ixzz1cI4CHEGN
 ::witch2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 30, 2011, 02:25:38 PM
#
We will also stream it live here
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/30/2011 5:02:40 PM 12:02 PM

#
We will stream the news conference live on KMBC.com
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/30/2011 5:02:33 PM 12:02 PM

#
Cyndy Short says her law firm will continue to help in the search for baby Lisa
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/30/2011 5:02:10 PM 12:02 PM

#
The Kansas City attorney who was representing baby Lisa's parents, and let go, says she is holding a news conference at 10:30 a.m. CT on Monday
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/30/2011 5:01:52 PM 12:01 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cI5LVAcL


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 30, 2011, 02:43:32 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-psychic-weighs-in-baby-lisa-case-20111030,0,463365.story
Psychic Weighs in on Baby Lisa Case
Gia Vang, FOX 4 News Christie Walton Web Producer
10:49 a.m. CDT, October 30, 2011

 ::snipping2::
Arachne has been a psychic for more than 30 years. She knows that people have a skewed perception especially with this high profile cast. Still, she offered to read Tarot cards related to this case.
Arachne's tarot card for law enforcement came out upside down.

"This would represent law enforcement," said Arachne. "If it were right side up, that would be one thing, but it's upside down, it means law enforcement really doesn't have a clue."

Arachne believes baby Lisa is alive and was taken by someone not connected to the family, but has been inside the home.

About law enforcement being stumped, does she need Tarot cards to come up with that?

About Lisa... we'll find out if she is correct on this, but if she knows that... why doesn't she have an idea of WHERE she is, or WHO has her?



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 30, 2011, 02:46:16 PM
This same news was already posted, but just to add this other source.

Quote
KANSAS CITY (KCTV) -

Cyndy Short, a Kansas City area attorney who is no longer representing the parents of baby Lisa Irwin, will continue in the search for the missing baby as a concerned citizen.

While Short and her team are no longer working as local counsel for Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, the local attorney will hold a news conference Monday at 10:30 a.m. at the McCallister Law Firm, 917 W. 43rd St. in Kansas City.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15908951/ex-local-attorney-continues-search-as-concerned-citizen

Short versus Stenton, who will find Lisa first?



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 30, 2011, 02:47:32 PM
So, is Short such a media hoe she's holding news conferences even though she is no longer representing the family?  hmmm....she might want to go get a paying client and leave well enough alone.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 30, 2011, 03:10:56 PM
So, is Short such a media hoe she's holding news conferences even though she is no longer representing the family?  hmmm....she might want to go get a paying client and leave well enough alone.

Maybe that's why Tacopina fired her.

Right before she was fired she planned weekly case status press releases, and a house tour.

A house tour... of a case that is still active.

Enough said, she IS a media ho ho ho seeking publicity for her law firm.

IMO.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2011, 03:43:38 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/kctv5 (http://twitter.com/#!/kctv5)


KCTV5 KCTV5 - Kansas City
Short off case, but will continue searching for missing baby: Cyndy Short, a Kansas City attorney who is no long... bit.ly/thzOS3 (http://bit.ly/thzOS3)
4 minutes ago
KCTV5 - Kansas City
KCTV5 KCTV5 - Kansas City
Ex-local attorney continues search as concerned citizen: Cyndy Short, a Kansas City area attorney who is no long... bit.ly/rL9f64 (http://bit.ly/rL9f64)
1 hour ago

KCTV5 KCTV5 - Kansas City
Day 26: Thursday will mark 1 month since baby was last seen: The family has been laying low all weekend.  No sta... bit.ly/uTRJqW (http://bit.ly/uTRJqW)
5 hours ago


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2011, 03:47:05 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15908951/local-attorney-continues-search-as-concerned-citizen?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Short off case, but will continue searching for missing baby
October 30, 2011

KANSAS CITY (KCTV) -

Cyndy Short, a Kansas City attorney who is no longer representing the parents of baby Lisa Irwin, said Sunday that she will continue searching for the missing baby.

Short was forced out as local counsel for Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin on Thursday reportedly at the direction of New York attorney Joe Tacopina. She confirmed her departure on Friday.

Short said she will hold a news conference at 10:30 a.m. Monday at the McCallister Law Firm, 917 W. 43rd St. in Kansas City.

In a statement issued Sunday, Short said she and "her team" will "continue in the search for baby Lisa as concerned citizens."

It was unknown Sunday whether Short will address Tacopina's involvement in the case on Monday. Short represented baby Lisa's parents for less than two weeks.
 ::snipping2::
KCTV5.com will livestream the press conference at 10:30 a.m. Monday.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 30, 2011, 03:53:56 PM
So, is Short such a media hoe she's holding news conferences even though she is no longer representing the family?  hmmm....she might want to go get a paying client and leave well enough alone.

Maybe that's why Tacopina fired her.

Right before she was fired she planned weekly case status press releases, and a house tour.

A house tour... of a case that is still active.

Enough said, she IS a media ho ho ho seeking publicity for her law firm.
IMO.



 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on October 30, 2011, 04:01:17 PM
Was just thinking, the only way I know how you can't trace where the cells phone are, is if they were put in water..

Why would you buy wine and not a cell phone card, with small children in the house?????

 ::MonkeyEek::

I totally agree!!!!  You need a phone with small kids in your home or while traveling in the car!!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 30, 2011, 04:05:23 PM
AlisonKartevold Alison Kartevold
Locals in Kansas City try to organize private search party for #BabyLisa (#post_BabyLisa) today, but only a handful of people show up.
1 hour ago http://twitter.com/#!/AlisonKartevold (http://twitter.com/#!/AlisonKartevold)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 30, 2011, 04:53:09 PM
Attorney vows to keep looking for missing Kansas City baby
Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:37pm EDT


KANSAS CITY, Mo (Reuters) - A former attorney for the parents of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin vowed on Sunday to keep looking for the child, even though the attorney is no longer on the case.

Cyndy Short had announced Friday she stopped representing Lisa's parents Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley, but she told the media in a brief news release Sunday she and her law firm "will continue to search for Baby Lisa as concerned citizens."

Short said she would hold a press conference on Monday morning at her Kansas City office, though she gave no specifics on what she would discuss.

Short had been brought into the case to work with prominent New York defense lawyer Joe Tacopina. That association ended Friday, the same day an interview scheduled with Lisa's brothers, ages 5 and 8, was canceled, along with a press conference Short scheduled on the case.

Tacopina has not responded to an email seeking comment on why Short is no longer working with the Irwin family. Short has also not commented on that.

<snipped>

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/30/us-baby-missing-idUSTRE79T2UH20111030


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: StarMonkey on October 30, 2011, 05:06:47 PM
Found a pic of Tony Netz. I'm positive this is the right one. When doing an image search this pic cones up and then takes me to his Facebook which his avi has changed but was this pic before

 (http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee509/Sallie1233/utf-8BbWUxLmpwZw.jpg)

 http://picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer#albumlist/109430035977883224323

He was not the one at store w Debbie it was phillip. Tony seems to be an outcast of the family. He also shared the same home # as Cindy lerette .


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 30, 2011, 05:57:50 PM
Saw this over at Justice Quest.....
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1070415#post1070415
Post 339
Last night, Judge Jeanine tweeted:

JudgeJeanine Jeanine Pirro
Bill Stanton will be on talking about baby Lisa case-- what questions do you want me to ask him?
22 hours ago

Someone immediately tweeted a question for Judge Jeanine to ask Bill Stanton.
That tweeted question was only there for a few minutes, before being removed from Judge Jeanines twitter page.

It said <paraphrasing>
Ask Bill how he knows Mike LeRette from BEFORE the Lisa Irwin case.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2011, 06:02:02 PM
Saw this over at Justice Quest.....
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1070415#post1070415
Post 339
Last night, Judge Jeanine tweeted:

JudgeJeanine Jeanine Pirro
Bill Stanton will be on talking about baby Lisa case-- what questions do you want me to ask him?
22 hours ago

Someone immediately tweeted a question for Judge Jeanine to ask Bill Stanton.
That tweeted question was only there for a few minutes, before being removed from Judge Jeanines twitter page.

It said <paraphrasing>
Ask Bill how he knows Mike LeRette from BEFORE the Lisa Irwin case.


 :2thinky:


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 30, 2011, 06:02:36 PM
Found a pic of Tony Netz. I'm positive this is the right one. When doing an image search this pic cones up and then takes me to his Facebook which his avi has changed but was this pic before

 (http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee509/Sallie1233/utf-8BbWUxLmpwZw.jpg)

 http://picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer#albumlist/109430035977883224323

He was not the one at store w Debbie it was phillip. Tony seems to be an outcast of the family. He also shared the same home # as Cindy lerette .
It looks like Anthonyhttp://www.whitepages.com/name/Anthony-Netz/Independence-MO/2jc9h22 (http://www.whitepages.com/name/Anthony-Netz/Independence-MO/2jc9h22) is living with Doris  http://www.whitepages.com/name/Doris-B-Netz/Independence-MO/2jcamfb (http://www.whitepages.com/name/Doris-B-Netz/Independence-MO/2jcamfb) now. Or he is using that only as his official address and living elsewhere.  Here is Phillip's info, interesting association.. why wouldn't it be DB http://www.whitepages.com/name/Phillip-Netz/Kansas-City-MO/3w4pxf8 (http://www.whitepages.com/name/Phillip-Netz/Kansas-City-MO/3w4pxf8)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 30, 2011, 06:08:00 PM
Has #3 at this link http://www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl.t2.7/search/web?fcoid=417&fcop=topnav&fpid=2&q=%22mike+lerette%22+new+york+-missing+-irwin+-lisa&ql= (http://www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl.t2.7/search/web?fcoid=417&fcop=topnav&fpid=2&q=%22mike+lerette%22+new+york+-missing+-irwin+-lisa&ql=) been checked?  I don't Facebook so I can't check it.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 30, 2011, 07:12:12 PM
Saw this over at Justice Quest.....
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1070415#post1070415
Post 339
Last night, Judge Jeanine tweeted:

JudgeJeanine Jeanine Pirro
Bill Stanton will be on talking about baby Lisa case-- what questions do you want me to ask him?
22 hours ago

Someone immediately tweeted a question for Judge Jeanine to ask Bill Stanton.
That tweeted question was only there for a few minutes, before being removed from Judge Jeanines twitter page.

It said <paraphrasing>
Ask Bill how he knows Mike LeRette from BEFORE the Lisa Irwin case.


 :2thinky:

Here we go.Actual tweet.(Still no baby Lisa.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: )
http://twitter.com/#!/drfessel
 (http://twitter.com/#!/drfessel)
 ::snipping2::
drfessel Penthouse Sidebar
@
@JudgeJeanine ask Bill how being the family chauffeur equals finding Lisa the thing he was hired for.
29 Oct
»
Penthouse Sidebar
drfessel Penthouse Sidebar
@
@JudgeJeanine Ask Bill why he said on Fox news that the boys were in bed with Deb. He has said this numerous times.
29 Oct
»
Penthouse Sidebar
drfessel Penthouse Sidebar
@
@JudgeJeanine Ask him if he had ever met Mike LeRette before the Lisa Irwin case.
29 Oct
»
Penthouse Sidebar
drfessel Penthouse Sidebar
@
@JudgeJeanine Ask him if the cousin Mike LeRette was in KC the day Lisa went missing.
29 Oct
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 30, 2011, 07:22:44 PM
Saw this over at Justice Quest.....
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1070415#post1070415
Post 339
Last night, Judge Jeanine tweeted:

JudgeJeanine Jeanine Pirro
Bill Stanton will be on talking about baby Lisa case-- what questions do you want me to ask him?
22 hours ago

Someone immediately tweeted a question for Judge Jeanine to ask Bill Stanton.
That tweeted question was only there for a few minutes, before being removed from Judge Jeanines twitter page.

It said <paraphrasing>
Ask Bill how he knows Mike LeRette from BEFORE the Lisa Irwin case.


 :2thinky:

Here we go.Actual tweet.(Still no baby Lisa.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: )
http://twitter.com/#!/drfessel
 (http://twitter.com/#!/drfessel)
 ::snipping2::
drfessel Penthouse Sidebar
@
@JudgeJeanine ask Bill how being the family chauffeur equals finding Lisa the thing he was hired for.
29 Oct
»
Penthouse Sidebar
drfessel Penthouse Sidebar
@
@JudgeJeanine Ask Bill why he said on Fox news that the boys were in bed with Deb. He has said this numerous times.
29 Oct
»
Penthouse Sidebar
drfessel Penthouse Sidebar
@
@JudgeJeanine Ask him if he had ever met Mike LeRette before the Lisa Irwin case.
29 Oct
»
Penthouse Sidebar
drfessel Penthouse Sidebar
@
@JudgeJeanine Ask him if the cousin Mike LeRette was in KC the day Lisa went missing.
29 Oct
 ::snipping2::

Debra Badley - In Her Own Words

"Michael" was in bed with Debra when Jeremy arrived home at 4:00 AM ... not both boys.

Is there a video of last night's Bill Stanton and Mark Fuhrman's interview with Jeanine Pirro>  Link please.

Janet

++++

Exclusive: Parents of Missing Baby Lisa Speak Out
Oct 9, 2011


http://video.foxnews.com/v/1208764392001/exclusive-parents-of-missing-baby-lisa-speak-out


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 30, 2011, 08:02:04 PM
Sam_Hartle Sam_Hartle
"Wild" Bill Stanton was back at the Irwin family home Sunday night on N. Lister. Our cameras were there to catch the lastest developments.
10 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/Sam_Hartle (http://twitter.com/#!/Sam_Hartle)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 30, 2011, 08:03:55 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-psychic-weighs-in-baby-lisa-case-20111030,0,463365.story
Psychic Weighs in on Baby Lisa Case
Gia Vang, FOX 4 News Christie Walton Web Producer
10:49 a.m. CDT, October 30, 2011

 ::snipping2::
Arachne has been a psychic for more than 30 years. She knows that people have a skewed perception especially with this high profile cast. Still, she offered to read Tarot cards related to this case.
Arachne's tarot card for law enforcement came out upside down.

"This would represent law enforcement," said Arachne. "If it were right side up, that would be one thing, but it's upside down, it means law enforcement really doesn't have a clue."

Arachne believes baby Lisa is alive and was taken by someone not connected to the family, but has been inside the home.

About law enforcement being stumped, does she need Tarot cards to come up with that?

About Lisa... we'll find out if she is correct on this, but if she knows that... why doesn't she have an idea of WHERE she is, or WHO has her?


thats what I want to know...I know they say they can only answer whatever the cards are telling them but it reminds me of those phychics that ask for money and then they say they will give you the winning lotto numbers, Im like......right.....if you knew the lotto numbers your butt would be playing them yourself... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 30, 2011, 09:16:47 PM
AlisonKartevold Alison Kartevold
Locals in Kansas City try to organize private search party for #BabyLisa (#post_BabyLisa) today, but only a handful of people show up.
1 hour ago http://twitter.com/#!/AlisonKartevold (http://twitter.com/#!/AlisonKartevold)
IMO, the parents are to thank for this.  If their baby were truly missing and they had no knowledge of it, they would be leading the group out looking for Lisa.  They'd be on local tv every chance they got.  They'd be begging for Lisa to be returned. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 30, 2011, 09:34:29 PM
I just dont get how these parents can just up and leave and not give a crap about being there in the town where their baby came up missing from. How in the heck can you carry a baby for 9 months ...give birth to it, take care of it and love it for 10 months and then just forget about it? I cant believe that Debbie is surprised that LE doesnt believe what she says....Good Lord, you lie, you change ur story around, you tell them you were drunk, you refuse to talk to them anymore and then wont let the boys talk to them either, but then question why they are looking at you and not somewhere else for your baby!! I hope and pray they find Lisa's body soon andn that they arrest DB and whoever else was involved in this and that she never see's freedom again. There are too many children being killed and thrown away by their parents and then the parents following the lead of other parents that have gotten away with the same type of crime. Something has to be done, some kind of law passed..  Its way outta hand IMO....


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on October 30, 2011, 10:58:50 PM
Don't know if this is the same family.

"Apart from the open bar by the swimming pool, the main attraction at parties held at the Houston home of John Schiller, an oil company executive, and his wife, Kristi, a Playboy model turned blogger, is the $50,000 playhouse the couple had custom-built two years ago for their daughter, Sinclair, now 4."

http://blogs.hbr.org/haque/2011/07/how_our_economy_was_overrun_by.html



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Lake Erie Princess on October 31, 2011, 12:39:29 AM
The longer this case drags  on, the MORE I sincerly feel it is
so much like another Casey Anthony.

Did Lisa follow the Anthony case & get "ideas ?" ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 31, 2011, 07:41:35 AM
The longer this case drags  on, the MORE I sincerly feel it is
so much like another Casey Anthony.

Did Lisa follow the Anthony case & get "ideas ?" ::MonkeyMad::

I was thinking the same thing last night...

A guy running around with a live/dead/doll(?) baby with just a diaper, beyond bazaar...

Why would the family have 3 cell phones?  I can see having 2, one for each parent.

Buying/drinking when JI is at work. No one to watch the kids when drinking.
Not buying a cell card for emergency.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 09:00:29 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisa-parents-questioning-sons-14848770?tab=9482931&section=1206833
Baby Lisa: Will Parents Allow Questioning of Sons?
Family lawyer Joe Tacopina, Dan Abrams discuss latest in search for Lisa Irwin.
05:01 | 10/31/2011



I can not stand this man.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 09:27:12 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29635756/detail.html#ixzz1cMhHHYAJ
Tacopina: Missing Baby's Family 'Fully Cooperating'
Attorney Says Police Frustrated Because They Can't Find Answers
POSTED: 7:34 am CDT October 31, 2011
UPDATED: 8:10 am CDT October 31, 2011
 ::snipping2::
"One of the issues I’m having right now with the way this case has been handled is we’re playing a little too much, with all due respect to you all, to the media. This is a search for an 11-month-old missing baby. We have two parents who are absolutely devastated and grieving. To me, notifying the press every time we have a meeting set up is not something I think is advantageous to either side or this investigation," Tacopina said. "I’m not going to give a date of an appointment or whether or not there is an appointment, I will tell you that there will be every necessary interview will be had with law enforcement. I’ve had a very good dialogue with the FBI."

Tacopina told legal analyst Dan Abrams that the boys were interviewed for several hours in the first days after the baby was reported missing.

"They were in there within days, Dan. But understand there are two things at play here: Of course this family wants answers, and they’ve consented to everything -- every search, every forensic swab, and everything else that needed to be done. But here at play are 6- and 8-year-old children -- two little boys -- and we want to make sure this questioning is done in a way that will not damage them and that there are child psychiatrists and forensic people involved in that," Tacopina said.

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29635756/detail.html#ixzz1cMihRpqL




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 09:29:30 AM
New York attorney Joe Tacopina talked to ABC's "Good Morning America" Monday about the investigation. See what he had to say: www.kmbc.com
by Karen Yancey/Staff 10/31/2011 1:09:20 PM 8:09 AM
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/31/8d7c4d71-d8c6-4e93-aa8d-b40ae6487e9e_400.jpg)
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cMjE39Cl


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: 4myjoey on October 31, 2011, 09:33:05 AM
Saw this over at Justice Quest.....
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1070415#post1070415
Post 339
Last night, Judge Jeanine tweeted:

JudgeJeanine Jeanine Pirro
Bill Stanton will be on talking about baby Lisa case-- what questions do you want me to ask him?
22 hours ago

Someone immediately tweeted a question for Judge Jeanine to ask Bill Stanton.
That tweeted question was only there for a few minutes, before being removed from Judge Jeanines twitter page.

It said <paraphrasing>
Ask Bill how he knows Mike LeRette from BEFORE the Lisa Irwin case.


 :2thinky:


I got Dr. Fessel's ok to re-post this here.



I believe this is the lady behind the reward and hiring Bill Stanton.

http://twitter.com/#!/kkschiller (http://twitter.com/#!/kkschiller)

She is the head of K9s4COPS http://www.k9s4cops.org/OurBoardMembers.aspx and her name is Kristi Hoss Schiller and lives in Texas and she is big, big oil money and Bill Stanton is on their board advisors. She has also been big in the media and somehow got the name Miss Internet.

Here is a post on twitter.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg216/kensaroo/lisa3.jpg

That is one of the reason I think she is involved.

Now just recently Bill Stanton said he actually met a relative of Lisa's through this wealthy benafactor before this case happened.

Now comes the cousin Mike LeRette cousin living in Texas http://twitter.com/#!/MikeLeRette (http://twitter.com/#!/MikeLeRette)

Scroll down to his tweets on 4 oct. He had not made a tweet since Mar 11th then gets on twitter the day Lisa goes missing and makes this post..

MikeLeRette FindBabyLisa.com
@schiller713 send me some worthy suppestions of ppl to follow. Its been a while...
4 Oct

This is the Schiller he made that post too. http://twitter.com/#!/schiller713 (http://twitter.com/#!/schiller713)

Then he makes this post:

MikeLeRette FindBabyLisa.com
@KCTV5Newsdesk Any news on the missing infant Lisa Irwin? I am a cousin living in Texas trying to find out anything new...
4 Oct Favorite Retweet Reply


No doubt in my mind Mike is the person Bill Stanton met before and I really wonder if Mike is married to one of Schillers daughters maybe.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: 4myjoey on October 31, 2011, 09:36:55 AM
I forgot to add Dr. Fessel's twitter page


http://twitter.com/#!/drfessel (http://twitter.com/#!/drfessel)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 31, 2011, 10:34:40 AM
It gets curiouser & curiouser ...    ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: flutter1 on October 31, 2011, 10:44:30 AM
From Brenda K. Netz FB, this picture looks like it was taken from a travel trailer, specifically the window.  Was this part of the caravan.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=105211522898725&set=a.105211516232059.15910.100002296340511&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=105211522898725&set=a.105211516232059.15910.100002296340511&type=3&theater)

If this doesn't work, I hope a mod either fixes it or deletes the post.  I can't access Photobucket from here, so I can't bring over the image itself.   ::witch2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: StarMonkey on October 31, 2011, 11:04:23 AM
Im wondering who Mike Thompson (motercycle guy at 4 am) picked from the photos?

http://news.yahoo.com/baby-lisa-irwin-case-huge-break-false-alarm-202200617.html

 ::snipping2::

Thompson picked the man out from a series of six photos Monday.

 ::ghost2::  ::MonkeyWitch1::  ::witch2::  ::ghost::   Happy Halloween!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 11:05:30 AM
The Today Show 10/31/2011

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45101045#45101045


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on October 31, 2011, 11:23:46 AM
From Brenda K. Netz FB, this picture looks like it was taken from a travel trailer, specifically the window.  Was this part of the caravan.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=105211522898725&set=a.105211516232059.15910.100002296340511&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=105211522898725&set=a.105211516232059.15910.100002296340511&type=3&theater)

If this doesn't work, I hope a mod either fixes it or deletes the post.  I can't access Photobucket from here, so I can't bring over the image itself.   ::witch2::



Looks like the inside of our motor-home.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 11:24:37 AM
News conference live stream. You will see color bars or a black screen until it starts.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/31/2011 3:16:24 PM 10:16 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cNCGGSgU


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 11:41:56 AM
#
and to listen to people
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:35 AM

#
Cyndy Short: We will continue to work for them, we will continue our grass roots efforts, we will continue to pay for and monitor the website we started to find baby Lisa
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:35 AM

#
Cyndy Short: We did it because it was the right thing to do, and we did it because we care
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:34 AM

#
Cyndy Short: They are caring parents
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:34 AM

#
Cyndy Short: Deborah and Jeremy are a loving couple
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:34 AM

#
Cyndy Short: I deeply care about this family
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:34 AM

#
Cyndy Short: This means I am no longer a lisason with the family and the police...the family and the media...and I am no longer the public's voice
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:34 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cNGghIGD


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 11:42:32 AM
#
Cyndy Short: I think Mr. Tacopina thought I would be less aggressive and less involved than I was
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:37 AM

#
Cyndy Short: If we were going to fight over our messages to the media, we weren't going to work together
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:36 AM

#
Cyndy Short: I was working the case while Tacopina was in Rome
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:36 AM

#
Cyndy Short: Our approaches (mine and Tacopina's) were very different
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:36 AM

#
Cyndy Short: I hope some question you ask, someone you listen to, will bring this to a happy ending
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:35 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cNGsl4ko


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 11:46:06 AM
RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
Short: "They could never afford to pay for me and I never asked them to do that. We did this all probono." #BabyLisa #LisaIrwin
1 minute ago
»
Russ Ptacek
RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
Short: "We will continue to update the website. Once I get tips, where it is appropriate, we pass them on law enforcement." #LisaIrwin
1 minute ago http://twitter.com/#!/russptacek (http://twitter.com/#!/russptacek)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 11:47:05 AM
#
Cyndy Short: I think she was stolen from her home
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:41 AM

#
Cyndy Short: I don't know anything about the reward
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:41 AM

#
Cyndy Short: I don't know anything about him or the benefactor
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:41 AM

#
Cyndy Short: I don't know Mr. Stanton, he is irrelevent as far as I'm concerned
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:41 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cNHzwQm3


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 11:48:59 AM
Cyndy Short: Tacopina cancelled all the media last Thursday
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:44 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cNITCCOa


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 31, 2011, 11:50:03 AM
News conference live stream. You will see color bars or a black screen until it starts.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/31/2011 3:16:24 PM 10:16 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cNCGGSgU


This media show is absurd.   [ Evidentially, her earlier "house tour" didn't sit well with old Joey. ]   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 11:51:49 AM
#
Cyndy Short: Someone was needed to say here are all the pros, here are all the cons
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:46 AM

#
Cyndy Short: I heard this morning that Tacopina said he wasn't an advocate. I was an advocate
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:45 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cNJCSUu5


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 31, 2011, 11:57:37 AM
I guess perhaps you could apply the old saying:  "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" ?????  to this scenario ... ???

Curiouser & curiouser ...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 11:59:09 AM
RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
Short on Tacopina: "We make difference choices. We have from beginning. He's in and I'm out. #BabyLisa #LisaIrwin
3 minutes ago
»
Russ Ptacek
RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
Short: "Someone came in their home and stole their baby." bit.ly/v9umNq
4 minutes ago
»
Russ Ptacek
RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
Short: "Someone cam in their home and stole their baby." bit.ly/v9umNq
4 minutes ago
NBCActionNews NBC Action News
by RussPtacek
Former attorney for #LisaIrwin family: I cannot just walk away pub.vitrue.com/8vK
4 minutes ago
»
Russ Ptacek
RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
Short: "I am hopeful. There are so many things we can see, but there are many, many more things we can not see." bit.ly/v9umNq
4 minutes ago
»
Russ Ptacek
RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
Short: "Mr. Tacopina and I have not spoken. My decision was I could not stay with Joe. " bit.ly/v9umNq
5 minutes ago
»
Russ Ptacek
RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
Short: "I think it's just sad. That's all I can say, it's just sad. " bit.ly/v9umNq "I move by waht I sense is right."
5 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/russptacek (http://twitter.com/#!/russptacek)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 11:59:41 AM
I guess perhaps you could apply the old saying:  "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" ?????  to this scenario ... ???

Curiouser & curiouser ...
::rhino:: ::witch2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on October 31, 2011, 12:01:22 PM
Is Wild Bill  "William E."?  Is his law practice in Stanfordville, NY? There are many William Stanton attorneys. Trying to find his wife's name.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Sister on October 31, 2011, 12:02:11 PM
I guess perhaps you could apply the old saying:  "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" ?????  to this scenario ... ???

Curiouser & curiouser ...
::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on October 31, 2011, 12:30:31 PM
New York attorney Joe Tacopina talked to ABC's "Good Morning America" Monday about the investigation. See what he had to say: www.kmbc.com
by Karen Yancey/Staff 10/31/2011 1:09:20 PM 8:09 AM
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/31/8d7c4d71-d8c6-4e93-aa8d-b40ae6487e9e_400.jpg)
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cMjE39Cl





This is criminal defense lawyer Joe Tacopina
talking about cross-examining witnesses.
 
"When I get into the well of a courtroom, I smell blood a mile away. And I will bring you right there. And I will do it slowly and methodically. And I will make sure the jury sees your innards coming out of you."

read more:     http://www.tacopinalaw.com/pdfs/westport1102.pdf (http://www.tacopinalaw.com/pdfs/westport1102.pdf)

It is too bad he is not representing baby Lisa, sounds like he could get to the truth pretty quick.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 12:42:11 PM
#
Cyndy Short: I think the KCPD is just as interested in finding baby Lisa as the rest of us
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/31/2011 3:49:12 PM 10:49 AM

#

Cyndy Short holds a news conference outside her office
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10/31/2011 3:47:34 PM 10:
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/31/3bf4ff9e-18f6-4de1-9942-32a543fa609d_400.jpg)Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cNVZVTbV


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on October 31, 2011, 12:44:36 PM
New York attorney Joe Tacopina talked to ABC's "Good Morning America" Monday about the investigation. See what he had to say: www.kmbc.com
by Karen Yancey/Staff 10/31/2011 1:09:20 PM 8:09 AM
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/31/8d7c4d71-d8c6-4e93-aa8d-b40ae6487e9e_400.jpg)
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cMjE39Cl





This is criminal defense lawyer Joe Tacopina
talking about cross-examining witnesses.
 
"When I get into the well of a courtroom, I smell blood a mile away. And I will bring you right there. And I will do it slowly and methodically. And I will make sure the jury sees your innards coming out of you."

read more:     http://www.tacopinalaw.com/pdfs/westport1102.pdf (http://www.tacopinalaw.com/pdfs/westport1102.pdf)

It is too bad he is not representing baby Lisa, sounds like he could get to the truth pretty quick.





Here is a little more from that same article:


"...Tacopina defends clients who are not eminently defendable, he is likely to employ a disarming strategy. He
will own up to the client's general badness. That way, the client is no longer on trial for being unsavory..."


Such as having a client admit, early on, on world-wide television, "I was a drunk and passed out", essentially, saying she was a terrible mother for doing this, but stupidly, then, adds her OWN little bit of rationalization, "I don't see anything wrong with that."

I wonder if we will only find out what else lurks in BD and JI lives when LE or social media discovers it first?



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on October 31, 2011, 12:52:26 PM
More of DB's relatives"


"Deborah Netz Bradley, the mother of baby Lisa, is a second cousin to Donna Pretti, an investigator for the Delaware County Medical Examiner’s office, and Eddystone Patrolman Joseph Pretti. Donna and Joe are first cousins."


Read More:
http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2011/10/06/news/doc4e8d126a97a3c717320879.txt (http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2011/10/06/news/doc4e8d126a97a3c717320879.txt)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 31, 2011, 12:59:40 PM
About Michael Larette, in the beginning of the case someone mentioned a cousin coming from Houston, Texas, who was a lawyer.

If cousin Mike is a lawyer, then Stanton and him may have common friends, I would think.

In one of the Lisa Facebook pages, he commented two or three days after Lisa disappeared that more than the baby was taken but he couldn't comment more. A few days later the phones were mentioned by Deborah in an interview.

---

The feud between Short and Tacopina is a bit of an embarrassment to the legal profession. I don't believe for a second that either of them is concerned for the parents, or the missing child. All that concerns them is publicity and fame that the case brings.

Right now Cyndy Short can't get enough of it, so she will continue in the case and bring updates in her Facebook page, even if she's not on the case.

Tacopina love the morning show interviews, to spill a little BS and say a lot of nothing.

They all want to be Baezes.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 31, 2011, 01:01:08 PM
Im wondering who Mike Thompson (motercycle guy at 4 am) picked from the photos?

http://news.yahoo.com/baby-lisa-irwin-case-huge-break-false-alarm-202200617.html

 ::snipping2::

Thompson picked the man out from a series of six photos Monday.

 ::ghost2::  ::MonkeyWitch1::  ::witch2::  ::ghost::   Happy Halloween!!!!!!!

StarMonkey

When the description that neighbor Lisa provides of 12:15 AM sighting is considered and ... then when the identification provided of motorcyclist Mike Thompson regarding the 4:00 AM sighting is considered ... could it be that the male carry the baby was Jeremy?

What was the actual time that Jeremy arrived home following neighbor Maria's departure.

Was Jeremy contacted by Debra after something bad happened to his daughter through an act of rage/frustration?  Could baby Lisa have been administered an overdose of medication?

Did Jeremy place himself in various locations in an attempt to further an abduction fabrication/staging?

Where does fit Megan Wright fit into the picture?

Janet

++++

(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4998/babylisaandjeremynextto.jpg)
Jeremy Irwin



12:15 AM

NANCY GRACE
Aired October 24, 2011 - 20:00   ET


VELEZ-MITCHELL:  ... Lisa, you claim you saw a man with the baby that night. Are you sure it was a man?

LISA, WITNESS WHO CLAIMS SHE SAW MAN WITH INFANT RESEMBLING BABY LISA: Yes, I am positive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is correct. You have no doubts that it was a man? How can you be so sure?

LISA: Yes. Correct. Based on the lighting. When it reflected off of the gentleman`s head, there was no long hair. To us it appeared as if the gentleman had a bald head.

<snipped>

LISA: The cops did offer to make a sketch for us. However, we didn`t have clear facial features to give them. We were able to describe the man, he was very slender. He was a tall gentleman. He was probably six-foot tall, maybe 5`8" to six-feet tall. So he was a really tall gentleman and he was very, very slender. He was wearing a white T-shirt and some sweat pants.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/24/ng.01.html
 
 
NANCY GRACE
Aired October 24, 2011 - 20:00   ET


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We seen a gentleman walking up the street, carrying a baby.  He was wearing, like, a dark-colored pants and what we believe was a T-shirt.  He had the baby in his arms, and he had the baby`s head kind of like this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/24/ng.01.html
 
 
04:00 AM

Witnesses Claim They Saw Man Carrying Missing Baby Lisa
Updated: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 10:27 AM CDT
Published : Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 10:25 AM CDT


(NewsCore) - Three Kansas City residents said Friday that they saw a suspicious man walking the streets with an infant on the night that 11-month-old Lisa Irwin disappeared.

Mike Thompson told ABC's "Good Morning America" that he was heading home on his motorcycle around 4:00am when he noticed the man, who was dressed in a T-shirt, on a street near Baby Lisa's home.

"[It was] 4 o'clock in the morning, 45 degrees, the baby don't have a blanket or coat or nothin', and this guy's walking down the street," Thompson said. "I thought it was kind of weird."

Thompson claimed the infant -- who was only wearing a diaper -- resembled Baby Lisa and said that he would recognize the man if he saw him again.

He said he waited about a week to report the sighting to police because he did not immediately make the connection to Baby Lisa's disappearance.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpps/news/baby-lisa-witnesses-speak-dpgonc-20111021-fc_15585422


Baby Lisa Witness Re-Interviewed Witness claims he saw a man walking with a baby the night Lisa Irwin vanished.
02:47 | 10/25/2011

 
Re: Photo Lineup

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisa-police-interview-key-witness-14808369



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 01:11:01 PM
http://www.plattecountylandmark.com/ifoley.htm
PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR HAS OBSERVATIONS ON BABY LISA
Posted 10/28/11


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 31, 2011, 01:11:20 PM
New York attorney Joe Tacopina talked to ABC's "Good Morning America" Monday about the investigation. See what he had to say: www.kmbc.com
by Karen Yancey/Staff 10/31/2011 1:09:20 PM 8:09 AM
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/31/8d7c4d71-d8c6-4e93-aa8d-b40ae6487e9e_400.jpg)
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cMjE39Cl





This is criminal defense lawyer Joe Tacopina
talking about cross-examining witnesses.
 
"When I get into the well of a courtroom, I smell blood a mile away. And I will bring you right there. And I will do it slowly and methodically. And I will make sure the jury sees your innards coming out of you."

read more:     http://www.tacopinalaw.com/pdfs/westport1102.pdf (http://www.tacopinalaw.com/pdfs/westport1102.pdf)

It is too bad he is not representing baby Lisa, sounds like he could get to the truth pretty quick.


He's huffing and puffing, trying to scare those who will go against him.

For all the grandstanding.. wouldn't it be grand if this case would turn around and bite him on the ass?

And, you got it. It would be nice if his energy were directed at finding Lisa.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 01:15:19 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/profilerpatb (http://twitter.com/#!/profilerpatb)
ProfilerPatB PAT BROWN
I wish #BabyLisa would be found and the lawyers would go missing. #LisaIrwin #CyndyShort #JoeTacopina
55 minutes ago


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 31, 2011, 01:48:58 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/profilerpatb (http://twitter.com/#!/profilerpatb)
ProfilerPatB PAT BROWN
I wish #BabyLisa would be found and the lawyers would go missing. #LisaIrwin #CyndyShort #JoeTacopina
55 minutes ago

Where's the "Like" button?  <click>


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 01:51:48 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29637763/detail.html
Ex-Attorney: 'Tacopina And I Couldn't Work As Team'
Cyndy Short Says Team Will Continue To Work To Find Lisa Irwin
POSTED: 11:04 am CDT October 31, 2011
UPDATED: 12:12 pm CDT October 31, 2011


Video at link.
 ::snipping2::
"My team, which is 17 people strong, is very saddened that we are no longer serving the family as we did the last 10 days. However, we still care very much about them and we will continue to be available to them, to support them emotionally and to help them rally the community support even if we are not allowed to see them or to talk to them," attorney Cyndy Short said.

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29637763/detail.html#ixzz1cNnQPWgO


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 31, 2011, 01:52:11 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/profilerpatb (http://twitter.com/#!/profilerpatb)
ProfilerPatB PAT BROWN
I wish #BabyLisa would be found and the lawyers would go missing. #LisaIrwin #CyndyShort #JoeTacopina
55 minutes ago

Where's the "Like" button?  <click>

Let's put that on our Christmas list.   :smt111


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 31, 2011, 02:01:48 PM
Quote
“When I got involved in this case, I did it to stand up for Jeremy and Deborah and to prevent any kind of wrongful arrest or conviction,” she said.
Not to help find Lisa, so now that she is no longer the parents lawyer she will look for Lisa?

Quote
When she contacted Lisa’s parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, they told her they thought it would be best for them to work with Tacopina, she said.
So, the parents had input in her firing?


Quote
She said her team had volunteered more than 700 hours developing leads, receiving tips and providing emotional support and legal services to Lisa’s parents.
Divide 700 hours in the two weeks she worked for the case... that's 50 hours per day.
Okay, so it was a team... still, too many hours per day to be correct.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/31/3240043/parents-former-attorney-talks.html


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 31, 2011, 02:03:00 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/profilerpatb (http://twitter.com/#!/profilerpatb)
ProfilerPatB PAT BROWN
I wish #BabyLisa would be found and the lawyers would go missing. #LisaIrwin #CyndyShort #JoeTacopina
55 minutes ago

Where's the "Like" button?  <click>

Let's put that on our Christmas list.   :smt111

YES...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 31, 2011, 02:03:49 PM
Could it be that Private Investigator Bill Stanton has not considered the possibility that Jeremy Irwin is the male the neighbours observed at 12:15 AM walking down the street with an unclothed baby while attempting to further an abduction fabrication/staging.

Janet

+++++

Investigator tours home of missing baby Lisa
updated 10/31/2011 10:49:03 AM ET


Kansas City police have not produced any suspects or strong leads, although a next-door neighbor of the Irwins told NBC News last week that she spoke to investigators about seeing a man carrying a diaper-clad baby in the neighborhood around 12:15 a.m. on the night Lisa Irwin disappeared.

“To me, that is imperative, that is glaring,’’ Stanton said of the claim. “This needs to be followed up by everyone.’’

<snipped>

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45103609




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 02:06:52 PM
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/mystery-call-to-mom-s-missing-cellphone-night-baby-lisa-went-missing
Mystery call from mom’s missing cellphone night baby Lisa went missing
Isabelle Zehnder
, Missing Persons Examiner
October 29, 2011
 ::snipping2::
Hear what Megan said during a KMBC interview Friday:

“I received a phone call - well my phone did, the night that Baby Lisa went missing, apparently a 50-second phone call. I don’t know who answered it, what was said, or who was on the other end of the phone.”

Megan said that the night baby Lisa vanished she and her ex-boyfriend were in the neighborhood, but that she did not know the baby’s family and had not heard of the baby until she saw reports on the news.

Asked what she told police Megan said, “I told them I’d been through the neighborhood with my boyfriend, I’d been through there. I didn’t know the family, I didn’t recognize the pictures. I had never seen Baby Lisa until I saw a picture on the news.”

Megan doesn’t explain how, if she didn’t answer the call, her cellphone would have received a call, and how her cellphone managed to stay on the line for 50 seconds.

She doesn’t say she suspects someone stole her phone, or that someone had borrowed her phone that night. Just that the phone received a call.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on October 31, 2011, 02:16:07 PM
http://www.plattecountylandmark.com/ifoley.htm
PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR HAS OBSERVATIONS ON BABY LISA
Posted 10/28/11



He's asking the same questions we are...as are most people following this case.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on October 31, 2011, 02:20:58 PM
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/mystery-call-to-mom-s-missing-cellphone-night-baby-lisa-went-missing
Mystery call from mom’s missing cellphone night baby Lisa went missing
Isabelle Zehnder
, Missing Persons Examiner
October 29, 2011
 ::snipping2::
Hear what Megan said during a KMBC interview Friday:

“I received a phone call - well my phone did, the night that Baby Lisa went missing, apparently a 50-second phone call. I don’t know who answered it, what was said, or who was on the other end of the phone.”

Megan said that the night baby Lisa vanished she and her ex-boyfriend were in the neighborhood, but that she did not know the baby’s family and had not heard of the baby until she saw reports on the news.

Asked what she told police Megan said, “I told them I’d been through the neighborhood with my boyfriend, I’d been through there. I didn’t know the family, I didn’t recognize the pictures. I had never seen Baby Lisa until I saw a picture on the news.”

Megan doesn’t explain how, if she didn’t answer the call, her cellphone would have received a call, and how her cellphone managed to stay on the line for 50 seconds.

She doesn’t say she suspects someone stole her phone, or that someone had borrowed her phone that night. Just that the phone received a call.
 ::snipping2::



Does the route from Megan's residence relate, in any way, to her needing to go down Lister, by DB and JI house? 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 31, 2011, 02:43:02 PM
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/mystery-call-to-mom-s-missing-cellphone-night-baby-lisa-went-missing
Mystery call from mom’s missing cellphone night baby Lisa went missing
Isabelle Zehnder
, Missing Persons Examiner
October 29, 2011
 ::snipping2::
Hear what Megan said during a KMBC interview Friday:

“I received a phone call - well my phone did, the night that Baby Lisa went missing, apparently a 50-second phone call. I don’t know who answered it, what was said, or who was on the other end of the phone.”

Megan said that the night baby Lisa vanished she and her ex-boyfriend were in the neighborhood, but that she did not know the baby’s family and had not heard of the baby until she saw reports on the news.

Asked what she told police Megan said, “I told them I’d been through the neighborhood with my boyfriend, I’d been through there. I didn’t know the family, I didn’t recognize the pictures. I had never seen Baby Lisa until I saw a picture on the news.”

Megan doesn’t explain how, if she didn’t answer the call, her cellphone would have received a call, and how her cellphone managed to stay on the line for 50 seconds.

She doesn’t say she suspects someone stole her phone, or that someone had borrowed her phone that night. Just that the phone received a call.
 ::snipping2::



Does the route from Megan's residence relate, in any way, to her needing to go down Lister, by DB and JI house? 

So, either she answered her phone and is lying, or someone else answered her phone, or (and I am not sure about this, but I hope the police can tell) that it went to voicemail and someone from Lisa's phone's end left a 50 sec voicemail. There is no way the phone would have said it was for 50 seconds otherwise. A lot can be said in 50 seconds.

Also, I don't think it's a coincidence she and her boyfriend went through that neighborhood that nightm, unless, as Yoder is wondering, that was a common or necessary route for them.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: StarMonkey on October 31, 2011, 02:43:10 PM
Im wondering who Mike Thompson (motercycle guy at 4 am) picked from the photos?

http://news.yahoo.com/baby-lisa-irwin-case-huge-break-false-alarm-202200617.html

 ::snipping2::

Thompson picked the man out from a series of six photos Monday.

 ::ghost2::  ::MonkeyWitch1::  ::witch2::  ::ghost::   Happy Halloween!!!!!!!

StarMonkey

When the description that neighbor Lisa provides of 12:15 AM sighting is considered and ... then when the identification provided of motorcyclist Mike Thompson regarding the 4:00 AM sighting is considered ... could it be that the male carry the baby was Jeremy?

What was the actual time that Jeremy arrived home following neighbor Maria's departure.

Was Jeremy contacted by Debra after something bad happened to his daughter through an act of rage/frustration?  Could baby Lisa have been administered an overdose of medication?

Did Jeremy place himself in various locations in an attempt to further an abduction fabrication/staging?

Where does fit Megan Wright fit into the picture?

Janet

++++

(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4998/babylisaandjeremynextto.jpg)
Jeremy Irwin



12:15 AM

NANCY GRACE
Aired October 24, 2011 - 20:00   ET


VELEZ-MITCHELL:  ... Lisa, you claim you saw a man with the baby that night. Are you sure it was a man?

LISA, WITNESS WHO CLAIMS SHE SAW MAN WITH INFANT RESEMBLING BABY LISA: Yes, I am positive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is correct. You have no doubts that it was a man? How can you be so sure?

LISA: Yes. Correct. Based on the lighting. When it reflected off of the gentleman`s head, there was no long hair. To us it appeared as if the gentleman had a bald head.

<snipped>

LISA: The cops did offer to make a sketch for us. However, we didn`t have clear facial features to give them. We were able to describe the man, he was very slender. He was a tall gentleman. He was probably six-foot tall, maybe 5`8" to six-feet tall. So he was a really tall gentleman and he was very, very slender. He was wearing a white T-shirt and some sweat pants.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/24/ng.01.html
 
 
NANCY GRACE
Aired October 24, 2011 - 20:00   ET


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We seen a gentleman walking up the street, carrying a baby.  He was wearing, like, a dark-colored pants and what we believe was a T-shirt.  He had the baby in his arms, and he had the baby`s head kind of like this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/24/ng.01.html
 
 
04:00 AM

Witnesses Claim They Saw Man Carrying Missing Baby Lisa
Updated: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 10:27 AM CDT
Published : Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 10:25 AM CDT


(NewsCore) - Three Kansas City residents said Friday that they saw a suspicious man walking the streets with an infant on the night that 11-month-old Lisa Irwin disappeared.

Mike Thompson told ABC's "Good Morning America" that he was heading home on his motorcycle around 4:00am when he noticed the man, who was dressed in a T-shirt, on a street near Baby Lisa's home.

"[It was] 4 o'clock in the morning, 45 degrees, the baby don't have a blanket or coat or nothin', and this guy's walking down the street," Thompson said. "I thought it was kind of weird."

Thompson claimed the infant -- who was only wearing a diaper -- resembled Baby Lisa and said that he would recognize the man if he saw him again.

He said he waited about a week to report the sighting to police because he did not immediately make the connection to Baby Lisa's disappearance.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpps/news/baby-lisa-witnesses-speak-dpgonc-20111021-fc_15585422


Baby Lisa Witness Re-Interviewed Witness claims he saw a man walking with a baby the night Lisa Irwin vanished.
02:47 | 10/25/2011

 
Re: Photo Lineup

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisa-police-interview-key-witness-14808369



HI Janet!  ::MonkeyAngel::

There alot of unanswered questions...


Mr Thompson NEVER said If the baby was ONLY in a diaper.
His sighting may be someone else as he never described the person to a "T"
Did neighbor Lisa Pick a photo out as well?
It could have been Jeremy at 12:15? We dont know his timeline and the 911 call has not been released.
Since he changed his story and the dispatcher said he 1st said the window was tampered with (not my babys missing) then said "I didnt witness anything"
who says that unless they are guilty!?

I also find it strange that Megan was in the neighborhood that night. Did Debbies phone call her or someone Megan knew stoled the phones (which I doubt)

Maybe Jeremys phone called Megan?

the dumpster fire had something to do with this I think IMO

the neighbor used to live there and they know people there..was it a drug deal gone bad?
Its all a mystery and LE probably knows more but cannot arrest anyone  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: StarMonkey on October 31, 2011, 02:48:43 PM

 Janet

 I meant the neighbor drinking with Debbie seems to have lived in the townhomes where the fire was.

the area near the dumpster was searched 4 times.

the landfill was searched a dozen times. Blink said something from the landfill was found linked from the dumpster.a solvent was used and the fire was 3 ft high.
I wonder if they linked the solvent to Jeremys home? were the phones burned? where did they ping? so many questions...



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 31, 2011, 02:57:54 PM

HI Janet!  ::MonkeyAngel::

There alot of unanswered questions...

Mr Thompson NEVER said If the baby was ONLY in a diaper.

His sighting may be someone else as he never described the person to a "T"
Did neighbor Lisa Pick a photo out as well?
It could have been Jeremy at 12:15? We dont know his timeline and the 911 call has not been released.
Since he changed his story and the dispatcher said he 1st said the window was tampered with (not my babys missing) then said "I didnt witness anything"
who says that unless they are guilty!?

I also find it strange that Megan was in the neighborhood that night. Did Debbies phone call her or someone Megan knew stoled the phones (which I doubt)

Maybe Jeremys phone called Megan?

the dumpster fire had something to do with this I think IMO

the neighbor used to live there and they know people there..was it a drug deal gone bad?
Its all a mystery and LE probably knows more but cannot arrest anyone  ::MonkeyEek::



04:00 AM

Witnesses Claim They Saw Man Carrying Missing Baby Lisa
Updated: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 10:27 AM CDT
Published : Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 10:25 AM CDT


<snipped>

Thompson claimed the infant -- who was only wearing a diaper -- resembled Baby Lisa and said that he would recognize the man if he saw him again.

<snipped>

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpps/news/baby-lisa-witnesses-speak-dpgonc-20111021-fc_15585422


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 31, 2011, 03:07:59 PM
If Mike Thompson did not pick Jeremy Irwin from the photo lineup ... who was it?  Who other than Jeremy was questioned by investigators multiple times?

Janet

++++

Baby Lisa Witness Re-Interviewed Witness claims he saw a man walking with a baby the night Lisa Irwin vanished.
02:47 | 10/25/2011

 
Re: Photo Lineup

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisa-police-interview-key-witness-14808369


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on October 31, 2011, 03:29:40 PM
Here is a question I have used and the way it is worded is important.

No one likes to believe that they are unliked by others, but no one is liked well by everyone. Can you think of someone who might have bad feelings about you or any one in your family?

This is a cue question when alcohol abuse or drugs are involved in a case.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 31, 2011, 03:30:01 PM

12:15 AM
 
NANCY GRACE
Aired October 24, 2011 - 20:00   ET


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We seen a gentleman walking up the street, carrying a baby.  He was wearing, like, a dark-colored pants and what we believe was a T-shirt.  He had the baby in his arms, and he had the baby`s head kind of like this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/24/ng.01.html
 
 
04:00 AM

Witnesses Claim They Saw Man Carrying Missing Baby Lisa
Updated: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 10:27 AM CDT
Published : Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 10:25 AM CDT


Mike Thompson told ABC's "Good Morning America" that he was heading home on his motorcycle around 4:00am when he noticed the man, who was dressed in a T-shirt, on a street near Baby Lisa's home.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpps/news/baby-lisa-witnesses-speak-dpgonc-20111021-fc_15585422




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: StarMonkey on October 31, 2011, 03:45:41 PM

  Thanks Janet I didnt see that artical where he said only a diaper.
 So many articals most do not have enough info or the correct info.

so if it was Jeremy, maybe he was running from someone? in a fight w debbie he took the baby? what was he doing in 2 seperate locations?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on October 31, 2011, 03:52:18 PM

 Janet

 I meant the neighbor drinking with Debbie seems to have lived in the townhomes where the fire was.

the area near the dumpster was searched 4 times.

the landfill was searched a dozen times. Blink said something from the landfill was found linked from the dumpster.a solvent was used and the fire was 3 ft high.
I wonder if they linked the solvent to Jeremys home? were the phones burned? where did they ping? so many questions...


Sorry Starmonkey, I am not Janet but was a little confused about what you said about the neighbor. Are you saying the neighbor (the one with the daughter "Maria" that was at the house viewing a video with the Irwin boys) lived "at one time" in the townhomes where the dumpster fire was? The reason I ask is because I thought they lived right next door .


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: StarMonkey on October 31, 2011, 04:11:00 PM

 Janet

 I meant the neighbor drinking with Debbie seems to have lived in the townhomes where the fire was.

the area near the dumpster was searched 4 times.

the landfill was searched a dozen times. Blink said something from the landfill was found linked from the dumpster.a solvent was used and the fire was 3 ft high.
I wonder if they linked the solvent to Jeremys home? were the phones burned? where did they ping? so many questions...


Sorry Starmonkey, I am not Janet but was a little confused about what you said about the neighbor. Are you saying the neighbor (the one with the daughter "Maria" that was at the house viewing a video with the Irwin boys) lived "at one time" in the townhomes where the dumpster fire was? The reason I ask is because I thought they lived right next door .

there was a post here that showed James Brando her husband was listed there yes in those same townhomes. also there is a comment on his facebook about the women at the townhomes sent a message to them (debbie and jeremy) that the Moms at the townhomes are freaking out for them.that the FBI searched that posters house in the woods.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 31, 2011, 04:12:25 PM

  Thanks Janet I didnt see that artical where he said only a diaper.
 So many articals most do not have enough info or the correct info.

so if it was Jeremy, maybe he was running from someone? in a fight w debbie he took the baby? what was he doing in 2 seperate locations?


Could it be that Jeremy Irwin did not anticipate the questioning of his workplace alibi.

Janet

+++++

THE STAGING OF AN ALLEGED ABDUCTION?


StarMonkey

When the description that neighbor Lisa provides of 12:15 AM sighting is considered and ... then when the identification provided of motorcyclist Mike Thompson regarding the 4:00 AM sighting is considered ... could it be that the male carry the baby was Jeremy?

What was the actual time that Jeremy arrived home following neighbor Maria's departure.

Was Jeremy contacted by Debra after something bad happened to his daughter through an act of rage/frustration?  Could baby Lisa have been administered an overdose of medication?

Did Jeremy place himself in various locations in an attempt to further an abduction fabrication/staging?

Where does fit Megan Wright fit into the picture?

Janet



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: StarMonkey on October 31, 2011, 04:14:30 PM
I also wanted to point out that I posted the wrong megan wrights myspace before. the correct Megan Wright is only 20 Underage.. hmmm

http://www.myspace.com/eyehaveanalteregoanditsme/blog

this megan wright went to benton high as well as the one on FB that is correct. I saw it on Justice for Lisa Irwins FB page

this megan has never been married so I am not sure if the tie to that electrician is correct ?
http://www.peekyou.com/megan_wright/4891914


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: wildmala on October 31, 2011, 04:16:38 PM
"Thank you Thank you, I'll be here all week" (LOL, have to laugh a little this case is so sad)
~
Great post Janet!
I agree if baby Lisa died in her own home that it was unintentional.


This Megan Wright thing scares me a bit. Judge Jenines show that "Megan" was seen near the Irwin's house several times the day after Lisa disappeared. Neighbors recognized her. Maybe this is why the grand jury wants raw footage. I thought I had it all figured out and now I am questioning myself again.....ugh

This is from a few pages back...trying to catch up.

Anyone remember seeing pink hair on any of the news/vigil footage?  She sure wouldn't be hard to miss....or forget.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 04:29:43 PM
Joe Tacopina told The Associated Press that Short's
comments Monday are a distraction from the search for the baby.

Tacopina says he asked Short to be his local counsel, but the
family later decided they didn't want her to be involved.

The family also issued a statement Monday saying Short's news
conference convinced them they were correct in their decision.
by Karen Yancey/Staff 3:05 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cOQdbXsH


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: 4myjoey on October 31, 2011, 04:30:11 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: 4myjoey on October 31, 2011, 04:39:55 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.


I haven't heard where HLN is getting this info from. The 8PM call was made on the 3rd and Lisa went missing on the 4th.  I'm getting confused on the time line.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: StarMonkey on October 31, 2011, 04:41:49 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.

wow I see deborah is denying that! I hope LE has Proof? how did they know it Megans # Written on her hand?

Why would DB have her # on her hand? hmmm


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 31, 2011, 04:45:05 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.

What!    ::MonkeyShocked::
Is this coming from police?  Can't get hln up atm....rats


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 31, 2011, 04:45:41 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.

wow I see deborah is denying that! I hope LE has Proof? how did they know it Megans # Written on her hand?

Why would DB have her # on her hand? hmmm

Yes, how does anyone know Megan's number was on DB's hand? However, if any of this is true, then it might suggest DB might have been involved with Megan's ex. In fact, I wonder if we are sure Lisa is even Jeremy's bio daughter? (Just thinking aloud here).


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 31, 2011, 04:47:09 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Stacey on October 31, 2011, 04:51:24 PM
Hello to all Monkeys

John Tanko aka Jersey is 5'6" and does have a little balding but I don't think I would describe 5'6" as tall and if he is 165 lbs I wouldn't think that was skinny. I just wonder who's picture Mike Thompson picked.


Monkey hugs


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 31, 2011, 04:53:02 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.


Debra's timeline implies that baby Liza has already been been put down for the night ... the boys and neighbor Maria's daughter are watching a movie while neighbor Maria and Debra are drinking wine on the stoop.

Did neighbor Maria actually see baby Lisa on the evening of October 3rd?

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: 4myjoey on October 31, 2011, 04:53:39 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.

What!    ::MonkeyShocked::
Is this coming from police?  Can't get hln up atm....rats


I can't find any where, where LE has released this info. HLN went back to the jackson trial.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 31, 2011, 04:58:39 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.

What!    ::MonkeyShocked::
Is this coming from police?  Can't get hln up atm....rats


I can't find any where, where LE has released this info. HLN went back to the jackson trial.


Megan was interviewed by some CNN reporter and she told him that police told her that DB had Megan's phone number written on her hand.  She claimed she didn't know anyone in that family.  She also said that 8 people lived in her house and had access to her phone, it was more of a communal phone at that time.  Who knows if anything she says is true.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 31, 2011, 05:01:51 PM
Woow.
Who know's if anyone is telling the truth atm.....

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 31, 2011, 05:02:50 PM
Hello to all Monkeys

John Tanko aka Jersey is 5'6" and does have a little balding but I don't think I would describe 5'6" as tall and if he is 165 lbs I wouldn't think that was skinny. I just wonder who's picture Mike Thompson picked.


Monkey hugs

Exactly!!!

Considering Mike's pick had been questioned by investigators multiple times ... my guess would be Jeremy Irwin.  John Tanko was not apprehended and interrogated until October 15th.

Janet

+++++


12:15 AM

NANCY GRACE
Aired October 24, 2011 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

LISA: ... Based on the lighting. When it reflected off of the gentleman`s head, there was no long hair. To us it appeared as if the gentleman had a bald head.

<snipped>

LISA: The cops did offer to make a sketch for us. However, we didn`t have clear facial features to give them. We were able to describe the man, he was very slender. He was a tall gentleman. He was probably six-foot tall, maybe 5`8" to six-feet tall. So he was a really tall gentleman and he was very, very slender. He was wearing a white T-shirt and some sweat pants.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/24/ng.01.html


04:00 AM

Baby Lisa Witness Re-Interviewed Witness claims he saw a man walking with a baby the night Lisa Irwin vanished.
02:47 | 10/25/2011

 
Re: Photo Lineup

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisa-police-interview-key-witness-14808369



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: 4myjoey on October 31, 2011, 05:05:21 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.

What!    ::MonkeyShocked::
Is this coming from police?  Can't get hln up atm....rats


I can't find any where, where LE has released this info. HLN went back to the jackson trial.


Megan was interviewed by some CNN reporter and she told him that police told her that DB had Megan's phone number written on her hand.  She claimed she didn't know anyone in that family.  She also said that 8 people lived in her house and had access to her phone, it was more of a communal phone at that time.  Who knows if anything she says is true.


and then HLN took what Megan said and ran with it as "breaking news".  FGS



hanging my head for jumping the gun..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 05:15:29 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.

What!    ::MonkeyShocked::
Is this coming from police?  Can't get hln up atm....rats
I can't get it either,right now...dagnabit.

Thanks so much for the updates 4myjoey!  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 31, 2011, 05:15:51 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.

What!    ::MonkeyShocked::
Is this coming from police?  Can't get hln up atm....rats


I can't find any where, where LE has released this info. HLN went back to the jackson trial.


Megan was interviewed by some CNN reporter and she told him that police told her that DB had Megan's phone number written on her hand.  She claimed she didn't know anyone in that family.  She also said that 8 people lived in her house and had access to her phone, it was more of a communal phone at that time.  Who knows if anything she says is true.


and then HLN took what Megan said and ran with it as "breaking news".  FGS



hanging my head for jumping the gun..
No need to hang your head, I think they get everyone often.  Besides, it was breaking news in a way... noone had heard that info before.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 31, 2011, 05:18:15 PM
N/p formyjoey, who know's some of what is said is true.
Just have to figure out what part..... ::MonkeyDevil::

Let me get those cards..... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 05:27:07 PM
N/p formyjoey, who know's some of what is said is true.
Just have to figure out what part..... ::MonkeyDevil::

Let me get those cards..... ::MonkeyDevil::
::MonkeyHaHa:: Me too!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 05:32:23 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/31/baby-lisa-lawyer-fired_n_1067954.html
Cyndy Short Fired: Joe Tacopina, Lawyer For Baby LIsa's Parents, Forces Out Local Attorney First Posted: 10/31/11 04:32 PM ET Updated: 10/31/11 04:32 PM ET
The axe fell on the local Kansas City attorney representing the parents of missing baby Lisa Irwin because of friction with the lead attorney from New York.

Cyndy Short told ABC News that she was fired on Monday, because she disagreed with Joe Tacopina on how to handle the investigation into Baby Lisa's Oct. 4 disappearance.

"Tacopina and I were not able to work as a team," attorney Cyndy Short told the network. "Our goals and our approaches are so different that one of us had to go."

In her time on the case, Short represented Deborah Bradley, 25 and Jeremy Irwin 29 for free. Irwin claims he came home late at night to find that someone had broken into their home and kidnapped Lisa, then 10 months old.

Police have not named any suspects in the case, but they are critical of Lisa's parents, describing them as uncooperative. Last week, cops expected to interview Lisa's brothers, but the parents nixed the appointment.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 05:34:09 PM
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/283748/3/Lisa-Irwins-parents-respond-to-local-attorneys-comments
Lisa Irwin's parents respond to local attorney's comments
3:27 PM, Oct 31, 2011

 ::snipping2::
Tacopina says he asked Short to be his local counsel, but the family later decided they didn't want her to be involved.

The family also issued a statement Monday saying Short's news conference convinced them they were correct in their decision.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 31, 2011, 05:40:26 PM
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/283748/3/Lisa-Irwins-parents-respond-to-local-attorneys-comments
Lisa Irwin's parents respond to local attorney's comments
3:27 PM, Oct 31, 2011

 ::snipping2::
Tacopina says he asked Short to be his local counsel, but the family later decided they didn't want her to be involved.

The family also issued a statement Monday saying Short's news conference convinced them they were correct in their decision.

Was she getting to close to whatever they are hiding???


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: tupelohoney on October 31, 2011, 05:45:19 PM
Hmmmm......could Megan be DB's "Zanny the Nanny", in a backward sort of way?   This case reeks just like Caylee's case, imo.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 31, 2011, 05:48:00 PM
Quote
stayhomemomm
Yes, how does anyone know Megan's number was on DB's hand? However, if any of this is true, then it might suggest DB might have been involved with Megan's ex. In fact, I wonder if we are sure Lisa is even Jeremy's bio daughter? (Just thinking aloud here).
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12236.msg1483941#msg1483941

my 15yr old brought that up the other day,she said what if the real bio dad
came an took the baby, and did something to the baby to P off DB
 




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 05:50:37 PM
Statement from baby Lisa's parents: After hearing there was a press conference and listening to Mrs. Short's statement we are further convinced that we made the correct decision. One of the reasons we relieved Mrs. Short was because she was holding her own press conferences, making statements to the media, and giving tours of the home that we were finding out about after the fact. Moreover, we learned the FBI felt Mrs. Short wasn't being productive in the relationship between the family and the agency.

We want the focus to remain where it should always have been which is on the search for Lisa. Mr Tacopina has secured very prestigious local lawyers to join the team representing the family.

We will not be answering any further question at this time regarding Mrs. Short.

Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 4:34 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cOlP5GAb


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 05:56:36 PM
Hmmmm......could Megan be DB's "Zanny the Nanny", in a backward sort of way?   This case reeks just like Caylee's case, imo.
::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on October 31, 2011, 05:59:20 PM
Here is the gist of the HLN's Special report

Mike Gelanos: Connecting the dots in the search for baby Lisa, she’s been missing  for almost a month and we have brand new developments.

Mike Gelanos: We’re learning more abt the women who said she rec’d a call from one of the phones that was stolen from baby Lisa’s home the night she disappeared. How is baby Lisa’s family linked to this women? I’m Mike Gelanos in for Vinnie P this is HLN special report.

Breaking news in the massive search for baby Lisa Irwin.  Huge new development that you will hear first right here on HLN Special Report.

Going back to that night when little baby Lisa vanished her mom Debra Bradley had claimed there were 3 cell phones that were swiped from the home. Friday we told you abt Megan Wright a women who said that she got a 50 second call from one of those stolen phones. Now she says she never met the family, never heard of them, never Debra Bradley, but get this we are finding out Debra Bradley possibly had Megan Wright’s phone number written in the palm of her hand the night the baby vanished.

(Megan talking to Jim Spellman) says: He is an ex boyfriend of mine we dated for about 5 mths, I met him when I lived at further down on Brighton, he was a friend of a friend, um he and I were together for like I said abt 5 mths. After I ended up moving here we broke up shortly right afterwards, and it was a couple weeks before baby Lisa went missing.

Jim Spellman: They called him Jersey right?

Megan: (shaking head yes) He goes by Jersey. They took me downtown on the 8th I was interrogated for abt 6 hrs by a couple different police officers. Um they told me my number was written on the palm of her hand, it was shown to a detective and they had looked at the call logs between my phone um as well as the families.

Jim Spellman: Do you know Debra Bradley?

Megan: No I’ve never met her or anyone else from that family that I am aware of.

Mike G: So there you go, so many questions you heard her mention John Tanko, street name “jersey” never called a suspect, he was picked up on unrelated warrant few weeks ago and at that time police cleared him. But we hear these things, alright a phone number on Mom’s hand, are we connecting the dots here? Lets take a look what we have as we take a look at this situation, (showing baby Lisa, DB MW and ?) there is mom Debra Bradley, could we have a connection? Phone number of Megan Wright on her hand,  connection here (drawing from MW to ?Jersey) you heard about it, these two dated there’s the heart, dated 5 months ah they broke up a few weeks before little baby Lisa went missing. Question is Is there a connection between Mom Debra Bradley and Jersey-John Tanko? Connecting the dots could that be a big key in solving this case.

Mike brings in guest..


Jim Spellman: Well look, we know that Jersey spent a lot of time in this neighborhood, he was an on and off homeless man, who did yard work and errands and things like that for people in this neighborhood. So he was well known to people from this neighborhood, when I first heard basically a rumor on Saturday, that this women Megan Wright had dated Jersey I didn’t believe it, I have to tell ya, but I did my research and I finally tracked MW down, and she confirmed it. Boy it really changed this whole scope of what this phone call could mean, we also have learned that, that very night this man John Tanko man known as Jersey, was in this neighborhood working for a household just around the corner moving some sprinklers around for them for a family that was out of town, so that places this man John Tanko here in the neighborhood according to witnesses that night, then we knew this phone call was made around 8:30 to this phone call. It’s all still very mysterious. What it may mean certainly sheds a new light on all of that information Mike.

Mike: Jim tons of questions, lets clarify, this guy Jersey cleared at this point, right? Cops talk to him, he’s cleared but again, any as you examine these details Jim your head is spinning at some point, any connection between Jersey and either Irwin or Debra Bradley Jeremy Irwin?

Jim: Not that we know of directly, but what MW told me, is that in the police interview they told her that Debra Bradley had her phone number written on her hand. Now we know police don’t have to tell the truth, in these interviews, in fact I ask Cindy Short, Att at the time, for DB, I ask her this last night and she told me she knew/was aware of this and that Debra deny’s that she had this phone number written on her hand. But keep in mind, that first night, DB did not have representation so Cindy Short, Taco, none of them would have actually seen her hand that night, Police won’t confirm or deny any of this.

Mike: lets bring in Mike Brooks.

That’s all I have..

Also, 8 people living in house, cell phone was a prepaid 1 that everyone used.

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 06:01:23 PM
HLNPrimeNews HLN Prime News
New clues in the search for Baby Lisa? Phone calls were made from those missing cell phones - tune in 2nt during breaks from #MurrayTrial
1 hour ago http://twitter.com/#!/hlnprimenews (http://twitter.com/#!/hlnprimenews)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 06:02:43 PM
ProfilerPatB PAT BROWN
I will be on #NancyGrace at 8 pm est talking about #BabyLisa. I think the truth of the matter is not far from coming out. #LisaIrwin
2 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)

http://twitter.com/#!/ProfilerPatB (http://twitter.com/#!/ProfilerPatB)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 31, 2011, 06:09:59 PM
MEGAN WRIGHT's HAIR or PINK SHIRT?

This is the video of what appears to be a pink shirt or hair that crosses
in front of the Lisa Poster @35 sec
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-vigil-held-for-missing-baby-lisa-20111005,0,551920.story
AND
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R8xTRjp ... ata_player
.

Pink hair or pink shirt?
(http://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a467/ATSGEL/Baby%20Lisa/Capture16.png)
credit: GEL
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=1393&start=350
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwiKnR4ltWE&feature=related
Also Mike LeRette in video @ 1:28


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: my2cents on October 31, 2011, 06:12:07 PM
Wow , now a bunch more questions

Was Jersey drinking with Db that night too?
Did Jersey use DB cell phone to call MW ?
Was DB looking for Jersey and called MW to find him?
Why lie about the cell phones having service?
Was the call made at 8:30 or 2:30?
Why was MW in the neighborhood that night?    ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 31, 2011, 06:12:41 PM
That looks like cloth to me.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: my2cents on October 31, 2011, 06:20:30 PM
Did MW ever say why her and Jersey broke up ?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 31, 2011, 06:27:11 PM
Here is the gist of the HLN's Special report

Mike Gelanos: Connecting the dots in the search for baby Lisa, she’s been missing  for almost a month and we have brand new developments.

Mike Gelanos: We’re learning more abt the women who said she rec’d a call from one of the phones that was stolen from baby Lisa’s home the night she disappeared. How is baby Lisa’s family linked to this women? I’m Mike Gelanos in for Vinnie P this is HLN special report.

Breaking news in the massive search for baby Lisa Irwin.  Huge new development that you will hear first right here on HLN Special Report.

Going back to that night when little baby Lisa vanished her mom Debra Bradley had claimed there were 3 cell phones that were swiped from the home. Friday we told you abt Megan Wright a women who said that she got a 50 second call from one of those stolen phones. Now she says she never met the family, never heard of them, never Debra Bradley, but get this we are finding out Debra Bradley possibly had Megan Wright’s phone number written in the palm of her hand the night the baby vanished.

(Megan talking to Jim Spellman) says: He is an ex boyfriend of mine we dated for about 5 mths, I met him when I lived at further down on Brighton, he was a friend of a friend, um he and I were together for like I said abt 5 mths. After I ended up moving here we broke up shortly right afterwards, and it was a couple weeks before baby Lisa went missing.

Jim Spellman: They called him Jersey right?

Megan: (shaking head yes) He goes by Jersey. They took me downtown on the 8th I was interrogated for abt 6 hrs by a couple different police officers. Um they told me my number was written on the palm of her hand, it was shown to a detective and they had looked at the call logs between my phone um as well as the families.

Jim Spellman: Do you know Debra Bradley?

Megan: No I’ve never met her or anyone else from that family that I am aware of.

Mike G: So there you go, so many questions you heard her mention John Tanko, street name “jersey” never called a suspect, he was picked up on unrelated warrant few weeks ago and at that time police cleared him. But we hear these things, alright a phone number on Mom’s hand, are we connecting the dots here? Lets take a look what we have as we take a look at this situation, (showing baby Lisa, DB MW and ?) there is mom Debra Bradley, could we have a connection? Phone number of Megan Wright on her hand,  connection here (drawing from MW to ?Jersey) you heard about it, these two dated there’s the heart, dated 5 months ah they broke up a few weeks before little baby Lisa went missing. Question is Is there a connection between Mom Debra Bradley and Jersey-John Tanko? Connecting the dots could that be a big key in solving this case.

Mike brings in guest..


Jim Spellman: Well look, we know that Jersey spent a lot of time in this neighborhood, he was an on and off homeless man, who did yard work and errands and things like that for people in this neighborhood. So he was well known to people from this neighborhood, when I first heard basically a rumor on Saturday, that this women Megan Wright had dated Jersey I didn’t believe it, I have to tell ya, but I did my research and I finally tracked MW down, and she confirmed it. Boy it really changed this whole scope of what this phone call could mean, we also have learned that, that very night this man John Tanko man known as Jersey, was in this neighborhood working for a household just around the corner moving some sprinklers around for them for a family that was out of town, so that places this man John Tanko here in the neighborhood according to witnesses that night, then we knew this phone call was made around 8:30 to this phone call. It’s all still very mysterious. What it may mean certainly sheds a new light on all of that information Mike.

Mike: Jim tons of questions, lets clarify, this guy Jersey cleared at this point, right? Cops talk to him, he’s cleared but again, any as you examine these details Jim your head is spinning at some point, any connection between Jersey and either Irwin or Debra Bradley Jeremy Irwin?

Jim: Not that we know of directly, but what MW told me, is that in the police interview they told her that Debra Bradley had her phone number written on her hand. Now we know police don’t have to tell the truth, in these interviews, in fact I ask Cindy Short, Att at the time, for DB, I ask her this last night and she told me she knew/was aware of this and that Debra deny’s that she had this phone number written on her hand. But keep in mind, that first night, DB did not have representation so Cindy Short, Taco, none of them would have actually seen her hand that night, Police won’t confirm or deny any of this.

Mike: lets bring in Mike Brooks.

That’s all I have..

Also, 8 people living in house, cell phone was a prepaid 1 that everyone used.
OS


BBM
wonder who the other people are
it seems every time there is new info,it just raises more QS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 06:30:00 PM
AmyKCTV5 Amy Anderson
Baby Lisa's parents react to Cyndy Short's media conference. Tacopina weighs in as well...at 5 & 6. #LisaIrwin
27 minutes ago
Amy Anderson
AmyKCTV5 Amy Anderson
Just watched Bill Stanton give another Irwin house tour to nat'l media. #LisaIrwin
28 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/amykctv5 (http://twitter.com/#!/amykctv5)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on October 31, 2011, 06:31:32 PM
The cops knew this on oct 8th, when pinky was talked to for 6 hours.
So they know who these other people are, we just don't...
 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 31, 2011, 06:33:22 PM
It sounds like LE has got lots of info.  I bet they'd love to have DB and JI on a national program talking again.  The more they talk, the more ammo they give LE.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 06:36:14 PM
http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/wrong-lawyer-representing-baby-lisa-irwins-parents/
Wrong lawyer is representing baby Lisa Irwin's parents
6 hours, 2 minutes ago

Read more: http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/wrong-lawyer-representing-baby-lisa-irwins-parents/#ixzz1cOwNniF6


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 31, 2011, 06:52:17 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.

Someone, anyone... please provide a valid reference that says that John Tanko was Megan's ex boyfriend.

I doubt a young cute thing like Megan would date a 42 year old man who lives in abandoned houses and eats out of dumpsters.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 31, 2011, 07:00:01 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-despite-searches-no-new-leads-in-search-for-baby-lisa-20111013,0,3018904.story (http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-despite-searches-no-new-leads-in-search-for-baby-lisa-20111013,0,3018904.story)
 ::snipping2::
Also getting attention on Thursday was a Northland bar, the location of the last known sighting of a "handyman" known by the name of "Jersey." The owner of One-Eyed Jack's Tavern says that "Jersey" was kicked-out of the bar on October 1st for rude, drunken behavior.

Northland resident Mike Hancock, who used to rent a room to Jersey's girlfriend, says that Jersey was an occasional guest until Hancock kicked the woman out of the home near 36th and North Brighton in August for not paying rent. The home is just two doors down from one with a backyard well searched by police on Wednesday.

"He was suppose to be at a halfway house for awhile and he hadn't reported into there and they were hunting him pretty hard because he had multiple charges against from Maccaluso's. I guess he had been stealing from there and breaking into homes around the neighborhoods is what they told me," said Hancock.

Another neighbor says that police visited her a few days ago with a picture of Jersey.

"I did take Jersey down on Lister one day he said to his buddy's house where he was staying," said neighbor Barbara Hoy. The home she took Jersey to visit is across the street from the Irwin family home in the 3600 block of N. Lister.
 ::snipping2::

BBM - I wish the artcle was clear on who he means by "they"



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 31, 2011, 07:01:36 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.

Someone, anyone... please provide a valid reference that says that John Tanko was Megan's ex boyfriend.

I doubt a young cute thing like Megan would date a 42 year old man who lives in abandoned houses and eats out of dumpsters.

Thanks.

ospainter posted it here, in Megan's own words http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12236.msg1483971#msg1483971 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12236.msg1483971#msg1483971)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 31, 2011, 07:03:20 PM
Here is the gist of the HLN's Special report

Mike Gelanos: Connecting the dots in the search for baby Lisa, she’s been missing  for almost a month and we have brand new developments.
 ::snipping2::


Oh no... I can't believe it.

This is HLN's theorizing with a few details... I guess what we are doing. Still... I don't see this homeless man being the town's stud.

No way.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 31, 2011, 07:09:38 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.

Someone, anyone... please provide a valid reference that says that John Tanko was Megan's ex boyfriend.

I doubt a young cute thing like Megan would date a 42 year old man who lives in abandoned houses and eats out of dumpsters.

Thanks.

ospainter posted it here, in Megan's own words http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12236.msg1483971#msg1483971 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12236.msg1483971#msg1483971)

Thanks.

I still don't believe it...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on October 31, 2011, 07:10:47 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.

Someone, anyone... please provide a valid reference that says that John Tanko was Megan's ex boyfriend.

I doubt a young cute thing like Megan would date a 42 year old man who lives in abandoned houses and eats out of dumpsters.

Thanks.



Megan said on HLN's that "Jersey" aka John Tanko was her ex boyfriend, they had dated for abt 5 mths and broke up abt 2 wks before Lisa went missing.

I tried my best to transcribe exactly what was said on HLN, see my previous post.

Maybe there will be a transcript online or video that you can read or watch..

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: stayhomemommy on October 31, 2011, 07:12:38 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.

Someone, anyone... please provide a valid reference that says that John Tanko was Megan's ex boyfriend.

I doubt a young cute thing like Megan would date a 42 year old man who lives in abandoned houses and eats out of dumpsters.

Thanks.

ospainter posted it here, in Megan's own words http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12236.msg1483971#msg1483971 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12236.msg1483971#msg1483971)

Thanks.

I still don't believe it...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well, it wasn't until I worked as a volunteer at a homeless shelter that I would have believed it. Drugs make people do strange things. Just saying. It's possible.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 07:14:10 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.

Someone, anyone... please provide a valid reference that says that John Tanko was Megan's ex boyfriend.

I doubt a young cute thing like Megan would date a 42 year old man who lives in abandoned houses and eats out of dumpsters.

Thanks.



Megan said on HLN's that "Jersey" aka John Tanko was her ex boyfriend, they had dated for abt 5 mths and broke up abt 2 wks before Lisa went missing.

I tried my best to transcribe exactly what was said on HLN, see my previous post.

Maybe there will be a transcript online or video that you can read or watch..

OS
I appreciate your notes!  ::HelloKitty::

Never fear,now Jane Velez Mitchell will break it down.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 07:15:23 PM
Pinky says she went with Tank/Jersey.  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on October 31, 2011, 07:16:10 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-despite-searches-no-new-leads-in-search-for-baby-lisa-20111013,0,3018904.story (http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-despite-searches-no-new-leads-in-search-for-baby-lisa-20111013,0,3018904.story)
 ::snipping2::
Also getting attention on Thursday was a Northland bar, the location of the last known sighting of a "handyman" known by the name of "Jersey." The owner of One-Eyed Jack's Tavern says that "Jersey" was kicked-out of the bar on October 1st for rude, drunken behavior.

Northland resident Mike Hancock, who used to rent a room to Jersey's girlfriend, says that Jersey was an occasional guest until Hancock kicked the woman out of the home near 36th and North Brighton in August for not paying rent. The home is just two doors down from one with a backyard well searched by police on Wednesday.

"He was suppose to be at a halfway house for awhile and he hadn't reported into there and they were hunting him pretty hard because he had multiple charges against from Maccaluso's. I guess he had been stealing from there and breaking into homes around the neighborhoods is what they told me," said Hancock.

Another neighbor says that police visited her a few days ago with a picture of Jersey.

"I did take Jersey down on Lister one day he said to his buddy's house where he was staying," said neighbor Barbara Hoy. The home she took Jersey to visit is across the street from the Irwin family home in the 3600 block of N. Lister.
 ::snipping2::

BBM - I wish the artcle was clear on who he means by "they"



Thank you,

Megan mentioned on HLN that she had lived on Brighton prior to moving to where she is now.

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 31, 2011, 07:16:57 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.

so if this is true,maybe when DB was programming the phones,she ran across MW#
and didnt recognize it,so she jotted it down on her hand to check it out and to write on 
paper later,but since DB was drunk she forgot,chit did i just give DB an explanation  for
the LE  LOL


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on October 31, 2011, 07:22:07 PM
spokeo has a megan r wright listed on cypress,IIRC,1 block from lister
http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=Megan Wright#Kansas City, MO:4122798611 (http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=Megan Wright#Kansas City, MO:4122798611)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on October 31, 2011, 07:23:21 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/jimspellmancnn (https://twitter.com/#!/jimspellmancnn)

jimspellmancnn
@
@JohnN916 @CaseSignal @dpdickison63 @SillyRamblings this ABC report is consistent with what i know...is there something i miss.
38 minutes ago

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@JohnN916 @CaseSignal @dpdickison63 @SillyRamblings and te make Mike the motorcyclist IDed is a different guy, name i can't report yet
50 minutes ago

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@JohnN916 @CaseSignal @dpdickison63 @SillyRamblings just to be clear NO ONE IDed Jersey for anything
51 minutes ago

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@JohnN916 @CaseSignal roger that
55 minutes ago

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@CaseSignal @JohnN916 ONe neighbor, lisa, said she couldnt tell the race through the blinds under the orange sodium vapor lights
57 minutes ago

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@JohnN916 @CaseSignal so far i don't think any of the people who have popped up are black.
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@jimspellmancnn hey jim, how do I get in contact with cnn ?

FWIW

I think Jim Spellman is the best reporter on this case, granted he is just reporting what he is told. But a very good journalist IMO.

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 07:28:51 PM
Lisa Irwin: Prime News 10/31/11- Very Short
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/ilajBFYeQoI


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on October 31, 2011, 07:36:37 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-despite-searches-no-new-leads-in-search-for-baby-lisa-20111013,0,3018904.story (http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-despite-searches-no-new-leads-in-search-for-baby-lisa-20111013,0,3018904.story)
 ::snipping2::
Also getting attention on Thursday was a Northland bar, the location of the last known sighting of a "handyman" known by the name of "Jersey." The owner of One-Eyed Jack's Tavern says that "Jersey" was kicked-out of the bar on October 1st for rude, drunken behavior.

Northland resident Mike Hancock, who used to rent a room to Jersey's girlfriend, says that Jersey was an occasional guest until Hancock kicked the woman out of the home near 36th and North Brighton in August for not paying rent. The home is just two doors down from one with a backyard well searched by police on Wednesday.

"He was suppose to be at a halfway house for awhile and he hadn't reported into there and they were hunting him pretty hard because he had multiple charges against from Maccaluso's. I guess he had been stealing from there and breaking into homes around the neighborhoods is what they told me," said Hancock.

Another neighbor says that police visited her a few days ago with a picture of Jersey.

"I did take Jersey down on Lister one day he said to his buddy's house where he was staying," said neighbor Barbara Hoy. The home she took Jersey to visit is across the street from the Irwin family home in the 3600 block of N. Lister.
 ::snipping2::

BBM - I wish the artcle was clear on who he means by "they"



Thank you,

Megan mentioned on HLN that she had lived on Brighton prior to moving to where she is now.

OS
::HelloKitty:: Thank you for transcribing all of that earlier!  I would love to see the raw footage of that interview with Megan. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on October 31, 2011, 07:47:37 PM
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-despite-searches-no-new-leads-in-search-for-baby-lisa-20111013,0,3018904.story (http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-despite-searches-no-new-leads-in-search-for-baby-lisa-20111013,0,3018904.story)
 ::snipping2::
Also getting attention on Thursday was a Northland bar, the location of the last known sighting of a "handyman" known by the name of "Jersey." The owner of One-Eyed Jack's Tavern says that "Jersey" was kicked-out of the bar on October 1st for rude, drunken behavior.

Northland resident Mike Hancock, who used to rent a room to Jersey's girlfriend, says that Jersey was an occasional guest until Hancock kicked the woman out of the home near 36th and North Brighton in August for not paying rent. The home is just two doors down from one with a backyard well searched by police on Wednesday.

"He was suppose to be at a halfway house for awhile and he hadn't reported into there and they were hunting him pretty hard because he had multiple charges against from Maccaluso's. I guess he had been stealing from there and breaking into homes around the neighborhoods is what they told me," said Hancock.

Another neighbor says that police visited her a few days ago with a picture of Jersey.

"I did take Jersey down on Lister one day he said to his buddy's house where he was staying," said neighbor Barbara Hoy. The home she took Jersey to visit is across the street from the Irwin family home in the 3600 block of N. Lister.
 ::snipping2::

BBM - I wish the artcle was clear on who he means by "they"



Thank you,

Megan mentioned on HLN that she had lived on Brighton prior to moving to where she is now.

OS
::HelloKitty:: Thank you for transcribing all of that earlier!  I would love to see the raw footage of that interview with Megan. 

Your welcome

Me too

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 31, 2011, 07:47:53 PM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.

(http://mimg.ugo.com/201012/6/7/3/134376/cuts/lost-charlie_528x297.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 31, 2011, 07:49:56 PM
Wonder how Taco Joe will respond to the claim that LE told MW that DB had her # written on her hand?  Almost sounds like LE is teasing ole Taco.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: my2cents on October 31, 2011, 07:50:22 PM
not to stereo type anyone but 8 people living in a house all sharing a prepaid cell phone one that used to live there homeless and breaking into houses stealing stuff ...riding a bicylce doing odd jobs but doesn't have any money and sleeps in vacant houses and has out burst in bars ...that just has drugs  written all over it !


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 31, 2011, 07:53:46 PM
not to stereo type anyone but 8 people living in a house all sharing a prepaid cell phone one that used to live there homeless and breaking into houses stealing stuff ...riding a bicylce doing odd jobs but doesn't have any money and sleeps in vacant houses and has out burst in bars ...that just has drugs  written all over it !
yes it does


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on October 31, 2011, 08:00:58 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2211/2138979083_a3cc7a40de_z.jpg)
Baby Lisa with grandfather Irwin


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 08:03:32 PM
bodylanguageuk CJB http://twitter.com/#!/bodylanguageuk (http://twitter.com/#!/bodylanguageuk)
youtu.be/MsQqWM5ewTQ - ★ #LisaIrwin - Megan Wright Interview. My Body Language Analysis - Parents - Joe Tacopina. CJB ★ Please RT.
12 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)
★ Lisa Irwin - Megan Wright Interview. My Body Language Analysis - Parents - Joe Tacopina. CJB ★
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsQqWM5ewTQ&feature=youtu.be


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 08:11:17 PM
Lisa Irwin: Issues 10/31/11
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/4WcZ3yQd3MU


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on October 31, 2011, 08:11:42 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2211/2138979083_a3cc7a40de_z.jpg)
Baby Lisa with grandfather Irwin
Are you sure?  That child has dark eyes and red hair.  It doesn't look like the photos of Lisa.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 31, 2011, 08:12:36 PM
not to stereo type anyone but 8 people living in a house all sharing a prepaid cell phone one that used to live there homeless and breaking into houses stealing stuff ...riding a bicylce doing odd jobs but doesn't have any money and sleeps in vacant houses and has out burst in bars ...that just has drugs  written all over it !

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::

Yet one more detail that reminds me of the HaLeigh Cummings case....WTH, why on earth would DB not wash her hand especially after she lied about the phones not even being able to make outgoing calls, makes me wonder if DB called for drugs since she forced Lisa to go to sleep way to early for a sick baby, especially if she thought she would sleep all night sick.....I would have had the sick baby in my room if I had any child period.  ::MonkeyMad::

O/T ~I'd pay a month's salary to see taco joe get greased by LE ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 31, 2011, 08:13:50 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2211/2138979083_a3cc7a40de_z.jpg)
Baby Lisa with grandfather Irwin
Are you sure?  That child has dark eyes and red hair.  It doesn't look like the photos of Lisa.

Also, it looks like Christmas and baby Lisa was only 4-6 weeks old..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on October 31, 2011, 08:15:22 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2211/2138979083_a3cc7a40de_z.jpg)
Baby Lisa with grandfather Irwin
Are you sure?  That child has dark eyes and red hair.  It doesn't look like the photos of Lisa.

Can't be Lisa unless someone had their Xmas tree early.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on October 31, 2011, 08:19:26 PM
Kermit - where did you find that photo?  Could it be an OLD photo, one of baby Lisa's namesake (when she was a baby) Deborah's mom that is deceased?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 31, 2011, 08:38:50 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2211/2138979083_a3cc7a40de_z.jpg)
Baby Lisa with grandfather Irwin

That can't be, she was only born last Christmas!  and she doesn't have bright red hair.  Unless they put up there tree really early, I think this is mislabeled.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 31, 2011, 08:40:40 PM
Kermit - where did you find that photo?  Could it be an OLD photo, one of baby Lisa's namesake (when she was a baby) Deborah's mom that is deceased?

The photo looks much more recent than that. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: my2cents on October 31, 2011, 09:06:47 PM
The more information that comes out in this case the more it confuses me...gonna call it a night ...fresh day tomorrow.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 31, 2011, 09:17:48 PM
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/10/jeremy-irwin-portrait-of-abdication.html
Monday, October 31, 2011
Jeremy Irwin: Portrait of Abdication


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on October 31, 2011, 09:48:27 PM
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/10/jeremy-irwin-portrait-of-abdication.html
Monday, October 31, 2011
Jeremy Irwin: Portrait of Abdication


BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO!!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 31, 2011, 10:23:25 PM
MW was Jerseys girlfriend .... huh...really thought we had that one all figured out already...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on October 31, 2011, 10:49:07 PM
MW was Jerseys girlfriend .... huh...really thought we had that one all figured out already...

I won't believe that Jersey was dating Megan or Debra (I mean Deborah) unless I see a reliable source of information.

I have combed CNN/HLN and there is nothing regarding that.

Of course, I can be wrong, but I wish to see an official source.

She can't be believed 100% either, because a few days ago that call was said to have came at 2:30am, and she gave details as to how it went to voice mail, etc... Now the time is 8:00-8:30pm on the 3rd.

Nope.

Someone is playing games... for a reason. And, I don't think it's funny.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 31, 2011, 11:23:37 PM
MW was Jerseys girlfriend .... huh...really thought we had that one all figured out already...

I won't believe that Jersey was dating Megan or Debra (I mean Deborah) unless I see a reliable source of information.

I have combed CNN/HLN and there is nothing regarding that.

Of course, I can be wrong, but I wish to see an official source.

She can't be believed 100% either, because a few days ago that call was said to have came at 2:30am, and she gave details as to how it went to voice mail, etc... Now the time is 8:00-8:30pm on the 3rd.

Nope.

Someone is playing games... for a reason. And, I don't think it's funny.



ITA with the games part but I do see MW dating Jersey...I'm not sure why that is such a leap for some but that is how I see it.  She is part of the game imo. 

But this strikes me on the media side of the game play out of all the crap they did say today;

snipped;

In return, Tacopina and Short has criticized the investigation.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-defense-attorneys-feuding/story?id=14849616

_____________________________________________

they agree on one thing.  Lots of strange stuff going on in this one and I am still not convinced one way or the other here.  Don't like the family, don't like LE, don't like the putrid inserters....uuuhhhhgggg....all imo of course.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on October 31, 2011, 11:27:37 PM
MW was Jerseys girlfriend .... huh...really thought we had that one all figured out already...

I won't believe that Jersey was dating Megan or Debra (I mean Deborah) unless I see a reliable source of information.

I have combed CNN/HLN and there is nothing regarding that.

Of course, I can be wrong, but I wish to see an official source.

She can't be believed 100% either, because a few days ago that call was said to have came at 2:30am, and she gave details as to how it went to voice mail, etc... Now the time is 8:00-8:30pm on the 3rd.

Nope.

Someone is playing games... for a reason. And, I don't think it's funny.



I'm not sure if u are saying you don't believe me or what but here is

Jim Spellman (reporter on HLN's, JVM and NG today) email, send him my transcript and ask him if that is what Megan Wright said in his interview with her. IF that don't work let me know, I will give you the phone number to call for official transcript.

jim.spellman@cnn.com

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on October 31, 2011, 11:34:41 PM
I dont think the Jersey guy had anything to do with Lisa coming up missing.  I think just maybe Debra was into taking alot more then anxiety med's, I have kinda come to my way of undersanding that the reason Debra had Megans, number had more to do with that she has probably had it for awhile and it was given to her several weeks earlier as a way to contact Jersey  when she wanted to buy a few pills, something else to help her get "high" and since she was drinking and partyin that night, she probably called that number to see if she could get ahold of Jersey so she could get a few pill, probably wasnt even aware that he and Megan had broken up,I mean really...if you think about it that makes more sense then anything else............The phone call was suposingly made around 8:00.....8:30pm....thats about what time the drinking and hanging out on the front stoops had just started and she wanted to get her buzz on and knew that this guy could get her a few pills so to me thats why she called him!.This Jersey guy IMO had no interest in a baby, he could barely keep himself going from day to day, I know the type, they live life free, do small illegal things, make a few dollars here and there, drink, take a few pills and live on...they are harmless, thats probably the only roll he and Megan have in this investigation..............In my way of thinking they are probably involved only because the Jersey guy knew Debra from being around the neighborhood, and he was also and ex of Megans and gave out her number to Debbie as a way to contact him should she need a couple pills........ To me thats the end of their invilvement......we will probably not find out anything about what happened to baby Lisa from this new news!!!.........IMO whatever happened to baby Lisa happened after the neighbor went home an Debra went back inside drunk and high as a kite and the bad happened and the cover up began!!!!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on October 31, 2011, 11:36:10 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15919668/womans-cell-phone-connected-to-search-for-missing-baby

Woman's cell phone connected to search for missing baby

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

A woman says investigators have questioned her four times about a cell phone call made from one of Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin's cell phones less than two hours before they reported their daughter missing.

Megan Wright told CNN Monday that the telephone call came in about 2:30 a.m. Oct. 4. Bradley and Irwin told police about 4 a.m. Oct. 4 that their daughter had been snatched was from her crib while she was sleeping. Bradley initially said she last saw her daughter at 10:30 p.m. Oct. 3, but later said she was drunk that night and last saw her daughter around 6:30 p.m.

Bradley and Irwin have repeatedly insisted that the kidnapper stole the family's three cell phones but the cell phones weren't working because of nonpayment. In court documents filed in mid-October, police said they have yet to recover the cell phones.

"I didn't have my phone at the time, but apparently there was a 50 second phone call from one of the family's phones to my cell phone. About 50 seconds long," she said. "I don't know what was said or who called or who answered my phone. But that's what the police have been questioning me about."

Wright, who has been residing in a home about a mile from baby Lisa's home on Lister Avenue in the Northland, said she does not know either Irwin or Bradley.

She said she and seven other people she lives with share the cell phone, which is why she doesn't know some of the details about the phone call.

"We have eight people that live here and only one cell phone at the time so it was pretty much community (property)," she said. "Whoever needed my phone."

But Bill Stanton, a New York private detective working on the case, told Fox News this weekend that Wright may know someone connected to the case.

Wright dated a neighborhood handyman known as "Jersey."

"He's an ex-boyfriend of mine," Wright said Monday. "We dated for about five months. I met him when I lived further down on Brighton. He was just a friend of a friend. He and I were together, for like I said, about five months. After I ended up moving in here, we broke up shortly afterwards and it was a couple of weeks before baby Lisa went missing."

Wright said she did not know whether "Jersey" knew Bradley or Irwin. She said as a drifter he went door to door looking for work and may have stopped at their home.

Whether "Jersey" or someone else received the 50 second phone call was unknown Monday night. It was also unclear Monday how Wright's cell phone could have received such a call from one of the Bradley-Irwin cell phones since the parents had said they were incapable of making phone calls.

Kansas City Police Department spokesman Steve Young said he could not discuss investigators interviews with Wright. However, Young did say the man known as "Jersey" has been interviewed and cleared of any involvement in the baby's disappearance.

"We spoke to him and are moving on," Young said.


 ::snipping2::

See the time of call is now changed to 2:30am again.

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 31, 2011, 11:36:45 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15919668/womans-cell-phone-connected-to-search-for-missing-baby

Wright dated a neighborhood handyman known as "Jersey."

"He's an ex-boyfriend of mine," Wright said Monday. "We dated for about five months. I met him when I lived further down on Brighton. He was just a friend of a friend. He and I were together, for like I said, about five months. After I ended up moving in here, we broke up shortly afterwards and it was a couple of weeks before baby Lisa went
____________________________________________________________________________

Not sure who said this.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on October 31, 2011, 11:36:47 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15919668/womans-cell-phone-connected-to-search-for-missing-baby

Woman's cell phone connected to search for missing baby

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

A woman says investigators have questioned her four times about a cell phone call made from one of Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin's cell phones less than two hours before they reported their daughter missing.

Megan Wright told CNN Monday that the telephone call came in about 2:30 a.m. Oct. 4. Bradley and Irwin told police about 4 a.m. Oct. 4 that their daughter had been snatched was from her crib while she was sleeping. Bradley initially said she last saw her daughter at 10:30 p.m. Oct. 3, but later said she was drunk that night and last saw her daughter around 6:30 p.m.

Bradley and Irwin have repeatedly insisted that the kidnapper stole the family's three cell phones but the cell phones weren't working because of nonpayment. In court documents filed in mid-October, police said they have yet to recover the cell phones.

"I didn't have my phone at the time, but apparently there was a 50 second phone call from one of the family's phones to my cell phone. About 50 seconds long," she said. "I don't know what was said or who called or who answered my phone. But that's what the police have been questioning me about."

Wright, who has been residing in a home about a mile from baby Lisa's home on Lister Avenue in the Northland, said she does not know either Irwin or Bradley.

She said she and seven other people she lives with share the cell phone, which is why she doesn't know some of the details about the phone call.

"We have eight people that live here and only one cell phone at the time so it was pretty much community (property)," she said. "Whoever needed my phone."

But Bill Stanton, a New York private detective working on the case, told Fox News this weekend that Wright may know someone connected to the case.

Wright dated a neighborhood handyman known as "Jersey."

"He's an ex-boyfriend of mine," Wright said Monday. "We dated for about five months. I met him when I lived further down on Brighton. He was just a friend of a friend. He and I were together, for like I said, about five months. After I ended up moving in here, we broke up shortly afterwards and it was a couple of weeks before baby Lisa went missing."

Wright said she did not know whether "Jersey" knew Bradley or Irwin. She said as a drifter he went door to door looking for work and may have stopped at their home.

Whether "Jersey" or someone else received the 50 second phone call was unknown Monday night. It was also unclear Monday how Wright's cell phone could have received such a call from one of the Bradley-Irwin cell phones since the parents had said they were incapable of making phone calls.

Kansas City Police Department spokesman Steve Young said he could not discuss investigators interviews with Wright. However, Young did say the man known as "Jersey" has been interviewed and cleared of any involvement in the baby's disappearance.

"We spoke to him and are moving on," Young said.


 ::snipping2::

See the time of call is now changed to 2:30am again.

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ETA: video at link

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Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 31, 2011, 11:59:25 PM
Jersey is a nutter and an alcoholic not a dealer; he does not have the brains left to do whats required, JMO.  I think his first lockup pic is atleast a decade old and he looked the same than as now.  Maybe someone who flew below the radar for alot of stuff unfortunately which is typical for some.  JMO.

Regardless I am glad he's in lock up for his "Felony" that has yet to be disclosed to the public IFYKWIM.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 12:15:02 AM
Random theory here than;

JI is the dealer and Jersey steals from his car(august auto theft report).  So they are hunting for him/them to seek retribution and put the word out.  MWakadipshit puts the ad in craigs list with some stolen goods(gps) other than the dope.  DI sees it and with it being "The party house" word passes thru the grapevine and they catch wind of her catch and steal Lisa?

See that just does not work for me at all but....


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on November 01, 2011, 12:25:11 AM
JVM transcript 10/31/11

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/31/ijvm.01.html

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, explosive developments in the missing Baby Lisa case. Reports claim the woman says she got a mystery phone call from a cell phone, allegedly stolen from the baby`s home, has a bizarre connection to the homeless man who was questioned in this case. And a witness IDs the man seen carrying a baby through the neighborhood the very night Baby Lisa vanished. Is there something that connects all these people? Reaction from a mother who endured the kidnapping and murder of her own child.

Also, reports of a breakup that has even jaded Hollywood insiders stunned. Only 72 days after their $10 million wedding, reality star Kim Kardashian is divorcing NBA player Kris Humphries. Are they spitting on the institution of marriage?

Plus, fireworks in court. It gets personal on all fronts in the Michael Jackson death trial. Reports claim a verdict could come down as early as next week. Has Dr. Conrad Murray`s defense team done their job or will he end up behind bars?

And we have a Halloween treat for you. We`re taking your calls.

ISSUES starts now.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Something is really wrong with Mom and Dad in this case. And I`m afraid that it probably is going to end up being something that led to the death of a child, I hate to say.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is putting puzzle pieces together here, you know. My suspicions, my own personal theories of what may or may not have happened that night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He turned and looked at me, and I looked at him. I could tell he had a baby with him. She had a T-shirt and either training pants or a diaper on. It was too cold for that, I thought.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hope they find whoever did it. I hope those parents weren`t involved.

MEGAN WRIGHT, RECEIVED PHONE CALL FROM MISSING PHONE: Apparently, there was a 50-second phone call made from one of the parents` phones to my cell phone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really just takes the one right nugget of information to kick this thing off in high gear, and that`s what we`re still looking and waiting for.

CYNDI SHORT, FORMER ATTORNEY FOR BABY LISA`S PARENTS: Lisa is the little girl that was going to hold this family together, that linked them together.

DEBORAH BRADLEY, BABY LISA`S MOTHER: She`s -- she`s everything. She`s our little girl. She`s completed our family, and she -- she means everything to my boys. And we -- we need her home. I can`t -- I can`t be without her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Shocking, extraordinary twists and turns in the hunt for missing Baby Lisa.

Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live from Los Angeles.

The 11-month-old vanished from her crib almost a month ago. Now there are a whole bunch of new clues and new leads. We hope they will lead to Baby Lisa. Has the man carrying a baby down the road at 4 a.m., less than four miles from Baby Lisa`s house, now been identified? Let`s listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was that the man you saw?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know who that is?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. I don`t know him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Music.

Now that man has been identified as a man who lives in the community. But he is not the homeless handyman who was originally questioned by police. That`s another individual. We`re going to get to him in a moment.

So who is this mystery man who was seen holding a baby? Now let`s speak about the handyman. There`s another shocking twist there. The woman who got a phone call, OK, from one of the stolen cell phones that was reportedly taken from the home of the missing child, that woman is not a random connection to this case, as we first believed. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WRIGHT: He`s an ex-boyfriend of mine. We dated for about five months. I met him when I lived further down on Brighton. He was just a friend of a friend. He and I were together for, less than five months. After I ended up moving in here, we broke up shortly afterwards, and at least a couple weeks before (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They call him Jersey, right?

WRIGHT: Yes, he goes by Jersey.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So let`s take a look at the connections. You have Deborah Bradley, the missing child`s mother. Her purportedly stolen cell phone was used to call the woman with the pink hair, Megan Wright.

Then have you a romantic relationship between Megan and this homeless man who does work in yards in the neighborhood, John Tanko (ph), who goes by the name Jersey. So can we connect the dots? Is there a relationship between Deborah and Jersey? This homeless man.

And then what about this other man who lives in the community, who a man who was driving his motorcycle at 4 a.m. said was a man holding a baby. Is there a connection? All of this happening in the same general area.

What do you think about this? There is really bizarre. Call me: 1- 877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to CNN reporter Jim Spellman, who is on the ground doing some fantastic reporting talking to all of these parties, really putting the pieces of the puzzle together. Can you spell it out briefly and simply, all these new people, and what their possible connections are?

JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I mean, they all connect right back here pretty much to this intersection, where Deborah Bradley, Jeremy Irwin lives and where Baby Lisa disappeared from.

We know that -- that this woman, Megan, and Jersey, spent time in this neighborhood. We know that Jersey cut through a yard often, a yard where we now know police have taken footprints, and it leads right from where one witness saw a man at 12:15 in this neighborhood lead straight to where there was a Dumpster fire reported at 2:30. So there`s a lot of geographic connections and a lot of interpersonal connections. But we`re just not able, really, to tie it back to Deborah Bradley or Jeremy Irwin directly at this point.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, let`s go through the time line, because it`s a very complicated story now. But here`s what we know from the night that Baby Lisa disappeared. Her mom, Deborah Bradley says she goes to the store and buys a box of wine and says she put the baby to sleep around 6:40 p.m. on October 3. Then she and a neighbor had been drinking. And the neighbor says that -- another neighbor says she and her husband saw a man with a baby, a man holding a baby, walking down the street at 12:15 in the morning.

Two hours later, 2:15 a.m., a gas station surveillance camera catches man, matching the same description with a white T-shirt walking down the road. Finally, a man on a motorcycle says he saw a man carrying a baby, a baby that was wearing only type diaper in 45 degrees temperature, walking down the street at 4 in the morning, just about three miles from Baby Lisa`s house.

Now, we have this bizarre connection about this woman with the pink hair who got the phone call having a relationship with the handyman that cops had questioned in the case.

And Jim Spellman, is it not true that the handyman was doing work just around the corner from where the baby disappeared, and that the place that he was doing work is very, very, in a direct line to a garbage dump that was set on fire at 4 in the morning -- Jim.

SPELLMAN: At 12:15, somebody walking up the street says that person then turned left off of the street and walked into a yard. In that yard, where this person walked, we know that this handyman, John Tanko, a.k.a., Jersey, was doing work that evening in that timeframe of about 9:30 to about 11. The next-door neighbor tells us that he was working for this family, moving sprinklers around on some fresh grass seed.

If you walk right through that backyard to the fence of that backyard, you are looking directly at the Dumpster that was set on fire. The geography is tricky, but it`s very important here, I think, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. And then, we have another suspicious fact. We`ve got to set it up, and then we`re going to get the analysis.

A 50-second phone call that the woman with the pink hair, Megan Wright, got from Deborah Bradley, the missing baby`s mother`s cell phone, that Deborah Bradley said was stolen from her house, Megan says she has in idea who called it or who answered it. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WRIGHT: I didn`t hear my phone in time, but apparently, there was a 50-second phone call made from one of the family`s phones to my cell phone. About 50 seconds in length. I don`t know what was said or who called or who answered my phone. But that`s what the police have been questioning me about.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So -- so the police told you that this happened?

WRIGHT: My phone -- we have eight people that live here and only one cell phone at the time, so it was pretty much community, whoever needed my phone.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Steve Moore, former FBI, house full of eight people and it`s a prepaid cell phone, because that`s cheaper. And then she tries to sell a GPS device, and she lists that same phone number, apparently, and a whole bunch of FBI agents swarm in to interview her for six hours. What do you make of this mess?

STEVE MOORE, FORMER FBI: Well, what I make of it is that the whole case is falling into place for Kansas City Police, for the FBI. You`re getting such an avalanche of clues coming in, of connections coming in, that I think it is collapsing.

And I think that the police in Kansas City have more than a hunch. They polygraphed the mother but then said that they didn`t need to polygraph the father, which to me says they`ve got more than a hunch. They`ve got a theory as to how it happened and when it happened. I think - - I think you`re going to see things moving fairly rapidly very soon.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And let`s remember, a couple of other facts. The mother admits she was drunk and had at least probably five glasses of wine and was taking anti-anxiety meds. And the cadaver dogs hit on the scent of a dead -- dead human in her bedroom.

We`re taking your calls: 1-877-JVM-SAYS.

On the other side of the break, we`re going to talk to one of my heroes, Erin Runnion. Her daughter was viciously murdered, and now Erin has taken her grief and turned it into action. She`s going to weigh in on this case, coming up in a moment.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JEREMY IRWIN, BABY LISA`S FATHER: I came home from work, the front door was unlocked. Most of the lights were on in the house. And the window was, in the front was open. Obviously, all very unusual. I started checking on the kids, checking on the boys first. And then went and checked on her and that`s when we realized she was gone.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRADLEY: He said, "She`s not in her crib."

I said, "What do you mean she`s not in her crib?" And I just knew, you know. I something was really wrong. And we were running around the house, and we were screaming for her, and she was nowhere. And then, I said, "Call 911. Call 911."

And he said, "Where are the phones?" And they weren`t on the counter where I left them. They were gone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Definitely, you could tell they were probably in drugs. She was shady (UNINTELLIGIBLE). But he was a nice guy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you heard the issue of drugs come into the equation. That`s a woman who lives in the neighborhood, who says she knows this handyman, Jersey, who by the way, cops say is not a suspect. He`s behind bars on some kind of burglary allegation. But he is not a suspect, they say, in this case. But he`s in the neighborhood, according to this woman, that night. She thinks so, because he`s turning on and off sprinklers for a home that he watches.

And he used to go out with the girl with the pink hair, who got the call from the phone that was purportedly stolen from the home along with the baby.

Edith Fine-Duskin, you are in touch with Baby Lisa`s family. What do you make of all these bizarre connections? All of these people coming out of the woodwork who have kind of odd stories?

EDITH FINE-DUSKIN, KNOWS BABY LISA`S FAMILY: I think, my personal opinion, is I think this should have been taken care of in the first days that it`s been, that she got reported missing. Then I believe, in my heart and in things I`ve been seeing since I`ve been out here day one, that if we had all of this in the beginning, we would have our little Baby Lisa back.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think the cops knew about a lot of this from the very beginning and I think that -- I want to bring in Erin Runnion for a second. I think you`ve worked with cops very, very closely. And they obviously solved the case of your precious, precious daughter`s murder. And again, my heart goes out to you, and you`re my hero.

ERIN RUNNION, MOTHER OF MURDERED GIRL: Thank you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What do you make of this story from a mother`s perspective?

RUNNION: Well, it is a mess, and my heart breaks for this baby. And I just don`t know what to make of the family. And I`m hesitant to jump to conclusions, because the investigation is continuing. But it seems to me that, with drugs and alcohol being involved, anything could have happened.

You know, one thing that pops out to me is there were two sightings of a baby barely clothed in 40-degree weather in the middle of the night. Call the police. That is child endangerment. It`s worth a phone call. It might have saved a life.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely.

Edith, what do you think, hearing about these connections between the woman who gets the phone call -- it`s hard to keep up. It`s complicated. She gets a phone call, OK, but there`s eight people living in the house. She doesn`t even answer. The phone goes on for 50 seconds. It`s a prepaid phone. When she get to it, she says, it`s -- the actual logs are erased.

She went out with this guy, named Jersey, nickname, who is doing yard work in the house. He was questioned by police, and apparently, he`s behind bars on a burglary allegation.

What could the explanation of this phone be? Could it be that -- that the mother, when she was drunk and passed out, somehow let other people into her house to party?

FINE-DUSKIN: No.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: People do that when they`re drunk sometimes, Edith. No? Why not?

FINE-DUSKIN: Well, that could happen, yes. But I don`t think -- I don`t think Debbie let anybody in the house. I think this is somebody out here that`s wanting it make a name for themselves. Because you know, I do believe in the sightings now. You know, from -- the ones from the street and the three sightings. But I believe this is just a -- just a thing, you know...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you don`t think the mother let anybody into the house?

FINE-DUSKIN: That was a no.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WRIGHT: They took me downtown on the 8th. I was interrogated for about six hours by a couple different police officers. They told me that my number was written on the palm of her hand, and it was shown to a detective. And they had looked at the call logs between my phones and as well as the families.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know Deborah Bradley?

WRIGHT: No, I`ve never met her or anyone else in that family that I`m aware of.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is the woman who got a call on her prepaid cell phone the night that Baby Lisa went missing, about 8 to 8:30, by the way, which is very early in the evening. And she`s saying that cops told her that the mother of the missing child had her number written on her hand. We don`t know if that`s true, because sometimes cops will make up stories to get information. But if it is true, if it is true, what does it say to you?

RUNNION: It says to me that she`s lying. And it ties all of it together. Really. I mean, if that number was on the mother`s hand, and she supposedly didn`t know this woman, who formally dated the handyman, all of it kind of ties them closer together.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And when you say she`s lying, you`re talking about who?

RUNNION: The mother.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s hard to say, I know.

RUNNION: It is.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We don`t know that for a fact, but...

RUNNION: I just know that if it were my baby, I would not be grieving yet. I would be hoping, and praying and begging for people to be looking for my baby.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. She did use that phrase, grieving. That was something a lot of people found interesting.

Sugar Lee Lewis, you were searching for Baby Lisa in Kansas City. What do you make of these developments, Sugar Lee?

SUGAR LEE LEWIS, SEARCHING FOR BABY LISA: Well, one of the things that I had been watching very closely, been out here on the run, looking for Baby Lisa and following the police and the FBI reports very, very closely. There`s many opinions here in Kansas City.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What do you make of the fact that there are now these other figures? The mystery man, with the baby, spotted by three people, in the area. When it`s 45 degrees, the baby is wearing almost nothing.

Then you have a handyman in the area, who is the former boyfriend of the woman who gets a call in the -- at 8 at night, the night the child disappears, from a cell phone that the mother said was taken, was stolen when whoever, the mystery abductor, took her child.

Do you see a connection that Erin Runnion is seeing, that all of these people may be connected, and that in Megan Wright`s case, she also has eight roommates, and the man who goes by Jersey, the neighbor, says that she thinks he might be on drugs. Right now, he`s behind bars on a burglary charge.

I want to go to Steve Moore -- Steve? OK. I`m going to go back to Sugar Lee. Your thoughts on it?

LEWIS: Well, what I really feel like, directly at the end, there`s all kinds of information that`s circulated. But I definitely feel like we have the best FBI and also the Kansas City, Missouri, Police Department in the world.

I think that, after all of this information, everything going to be put together. Sooner or later, everyone is going to know exactly what happened to Baby Lisa. That there is many things that are out here. There`s -- many people have seen and sighted. Probably not all of that information...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re going to have to leave it right there, Sugar Lee. But I just want to say that the mother and the father are not considered suspects. The police have made a point of...

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Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on November 01, 2011, 12:26:21 AM
HLN saying HUGE new developement in the Lisa Irwin case

Debra Bradley had megan wright's phone number written on her hand

Megan's ex BF was "Jersey", John Tanko, broke up a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing

HLN just said Megan said phone call from DB's phone came in between 8 & 8:30 pm.
I am still catching up but OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyShocked:: Okay, back to reading......


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2011, 12:28:09 AM
Thanks for all the updates.

We live in a semi-rural area but 70 munchkins managed to make it to our door for treats ... most by hopping a ride in trailers pulled by tractors.  Community fireworks display at the local gold course followed.  It was a good evening but ... I am beat.

Janet
9:24 PM PT


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on November 01, 2011, 12:31:51 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6405173

Video


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 12:35:36 AM
one last thought on MW...these are certainly the type who would want and take cell phones.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on November 01, 2011, 12:36:52 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6405542

Megan Wright video

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Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on November 01, 2011, 12:38:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkBinT-vlP0&feature=share

NG 10/31/11 video

Thanks Sierra1947

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Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 12:46:19 AM
TU OSpainter...OMG.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 12:47:54 AM
Skittles does not = candy for this one.  Prayers for Lisa...Lord help LE.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 01, 2011, 12:47:56 AM
Jersey is a nutter and an alcoholic not a dealer; he does not have the brains left to do whats required, JMO.  I think his first lockup pic is atleast a decade old and he looked the same than as now.  Maybe someone who flew below the radar for alot of stuff unfortunately which is typical for some.  JMO.

Regardless I am glad he's in lock up for his "Felony" that has yet to be disclosed to the public IFYKWIM.
Jersey could and would sell a couple pills if he could make a dime off them....Im not saying drug dealer like a crack addict or coke head....Im saying sell a few pills here and there......I have a friend that will drink like Debbie and if she can get a pill from someone....a vicoden or a percasets she will take it while drinking to up her high.....thats the kind of drug Im talking about....Debbie could afford a pill or two.....but no she couldnt afford some coke or crack, Im talking about 5 bucks for a pill and Jersey could definaitly sell one and probably would to make a few extra bucks.....Still dont think he is involved any further!!! The cops has said he has been cleared as far as baby Lisa goes!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on November 01, 2011, 12:59:58 AM
Skittles does not = candy for this one.  Prayers for Lisa...Lord help LE.


Teen Drug Slang: Dictionary for Parents
Understanding drug lingo gives parents a key tool in monitoring their teens for drug abuse.
Cold Medicine Abuse

Dextromethorphan (DXM): This is a drug contained in over-the-counter cough suppressants. After 900 milligrams, it becomes a hallucinogen. Synonyms for DXM include Candy, Dex, DM, Drex, Red Devils, Robo, Rojo, Skittles, Tussin, Velvet, Poor Man's X, and Vitamin D. "Tussin is a very popular name that’s has been catching on lately," says Pollock. "Cold medicine abuse is a very serious problem, from what I have seen, because it is so available."

 http://www.webmd.com/parenting/features/teen-drug-slang-dictionary-for-parents (http://www.webmd.com/parenting/features/teen-drug-slang-dictionary-for-parents)



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: tulips0312 on November 01, 2011, 01:21:33 AM
I dont think the Jersey guy had anything to do with Lisa coming up missing.  I think just maybe Debra was into taking alot more then anxiety med's, I have kinda come to my way of undersanding that the reason Debra had Megans, number had more to do with that she has probably had it for awhile and it was given to her several weeks earlier as a way to contact Jersey  when she wanted to buy a few pills, something else to help her get "high" and since she was drinking and partyin that night, she probably called that number to see if she could get ahold of Jersey so she could get a few pill, probably wasnt even aware that he and Megan had broken up,I mean really...if you think about it that makes more sense then anything else............The phone call was suposingly made around 8:00.....8:30pm....thats about what time the drinking and hanging out on the front stoops had just started and she wanted to get her buzz on and knew that this guy could get her a few pills so to me thats why she called him!.This Jersey guy IMO had no interest in a baby, he could barely keep himself going from day to day, I know the type, they live life free, do small illegal things, make a few dollars here and there, drink, take a few pills and live on...they are harmless, thats probably the only roll he and Megan have in this investigation..............In my way of thinking they are probably involved only because the Jersey guy knew Debra from being around the neighborhood, and he was also and ex of Megans and gave out her number to Debbie as a way to contact him should she need a couple pills........ To me thats the end of their invilvement......we will probably not find out anything about what happened to baby Lisa from this new news!!!.........IMO whatever happened to baby Lisa happened after the neighbor went home an Debra went back inside drunk and high as a kite and the bad happened and the cover up began!!!!!

 ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::  I think you might be right on the nose with this theory!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on November 01, 2011, 01:21:45 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/jimspellmancnn (https://twitter.com/#!/jimspellmancnn)
Fixed hyperlink.  MB

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@lexiechey thanks!
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@vlagay not sure if there is video of the whole interview in a link..more tomorrow beginning around 4p eastern
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@lexiechey phone call time: MW tells me it came at 8-8:30 per what police told her. Not sure where the 2:30 came from, not my reporting
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@jimspellmancnn @drfessel Do you know who's pic was shown to the motorcycle guy, and who he picked out ?
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jim spellman
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@CaseSignal i believe motorcyle mike has ID the same person consistently
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Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 01:24:41 AM
Jersey is a nutter and an alcoholic not a dealer; he does not have the brains left to do whats required, JMO.  I think his first lockup pic is atleast a decade old and he looked the same than as now.  Maybe someone who flew below the radar for alot of stuff unfortunately which is typical for some.  JMO.

Regardless I am glad he's in lock up for his "Felony" that has yet to be disclosed to the public IFYKWIM.
Jersey could and would sell a couple pills if he could make a dime off them....Im not saying drug dealer like a crack addict or coke head....Im saying sell a few pills here and there......I have a friend that will drink like Debbie and if she can get a pill from someone....a vicoden or a percasets she will take it while drinking to up her high.....thats the kind of drug Im talking about....Debbie could afford a pill or two.....but no she couldnt afford some coke or crack, Im talking about 5 bucks for a pill and Jersey could definaitly sell one and probably would to make a few extra bucks.....Still dont think he is involved any further!!! The cops has said he has been cleared as far as baby Lisa goes!!

Respectfully disagree here but it is awful hard for LE to get a word - any word from this Jersey guy that is valid or believable to bring to court no matter how its tossed IMO.  He's an insanity nightmare and his MO is Breaking and Entering, bad checks, petty theft, and public drunkenness...  I think they are trying to crack everyone else instead.

How many times is the felon already in jail or awaiting trial for a different crime when slammed with something else?  Lots IMO.

Back to Mom - now I have a drunk and drugged up Deborah who had the where with all to do that and hide it all after all LE's searches with no visible help or car...not sure I believe either yet - I'm still waiting for more real evidence.

IDK what to think but Jersey fits...he would leave the lights on, steal the phones and baby, leave little to no DNA IMO.  It's one possibility out of a few JMO.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 01:33:46 AM
Does Dr fessel post on WS?  One and the same?  Totally irrelevant but curious all the same.

If not Jersey who?  I think Mike Thompson is the mistaken witness but what do I know?  Biker guy sees someone in 5 mile radius to Irwin house.  Does he frequent one-eyed Jacks bar?  That would be my question cuz if he does than he knows this Jersey.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 01:36:51 AM
Oh yeah the fact that he came out with his sighting information a week later after the hunt for Jersey was hot and heavy in the Irwin neighborhood.  Just makes me wonder.  Anyway Goodnight Monkeys.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on November 01, 2011, 06:33:08 AM
IF deb did/does drugs, got them from jersey.

Did JI know that there were 3 phones before Lisa went missing?
Did deb just have the 3rd phone for calling jersey for drugs?

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 07:47:00 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/31/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE
Cell Phone Call Deepens Baby Lisa Mystery
Aired October 31, 2011 - 20:00   ET


Lisa Irwin: Nancy 10/31/11
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/LkBinT-vlP0


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on November 01, 2011, 07:50:14 AM
thanks all for the updates,the latest drug theory and hurting lisa seems plausible
considering DB thinks it is ok with children in her care

wondering if this is a subconsciousslip of the tpunge

@ about 3:04-3:06,DB starts to say when we woke up,then changed it to when he woke me up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0Lmy0Q5U_k&feature=related

time line
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/31/VkzXLidSpSM

some more replays
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6xAl6bUhng&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0Lmy0Q5U_k&feature=related





Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on November 01, 2011, 08:09:58 AM
 i need more caffine

wondering if this is a subconsciousslip of the tpunge

s/b
wondering if this is a subconscious slip of the tounge


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 08:34:20 AM
Good morning cw618, I hear you on the coffee.

So much new info to wade thru and what to believe when LE is not speaking.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 09:05:57 AM
My thoughts on new info;

If there is a drug connection found here between all these people (Deb, Megan, Jersey)...the Irwin's are the Dealers not the buyers/users.

JMO.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 09:17:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/LkBinT-vlP0

25:30 time mark - now Mike Thompson says baby with man had a t-shirt and diaper/training pants on????

Who did Mike ID?  "Someone who lives in the community" ????  ID'ed "MUGSHOT"  Cindy Short - Irwin's attorney took him to the LE???  Mike lives 90 miles away and has no connection to community.

Does JI have prior arrest/mugshot?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 09:24:38 AM
http://gma.yahoo.com/video/news-26797925/missing-baby-lisa-behind-the-scenes-drama-hurting-case-27122332.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fnews-26797925%252Fmissing-baby-lisa-behind-the-scenes-drama-hurting-case-27122332.html

Irwin's trick or treating last night.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 09:34:17 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29647602/detail.html
Brothers Of Missing Baby Go Trick-Or-Treating
ABC Cameras Follow Lisa Irwin's Brothers On Halloween

POSTED: 8:03 am CDT November 1, 2011

(http://www.kmbc.com/2011/1101/29647604_640X480.jpg)
Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29647602/detail.html#ixzz1cSalhojm


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: flutter1 on November 01, 2011, 09:46:10 AM
IF deb did/does drugs, got them from jersey.

Did JI know that there were 3 phones before Lisa went missing?
Did deb just have the 3rd phone for calling jersey for drugs?

 ::MonkeyEek::


Wasn't the original story that one of the three was a replacement for Deb's phone which was broken bought by her father.  If so, that would leave one supposedly for JI, who also had a work phone.  I think that was from an early NG story, but I would have to look it up. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 09:47:22 AM
http://gma.yahoo.com/video/news-26797925/missing-baby-lisa-behind-the-scenes-drama-hurting-case-27122332.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fnews-26797925%252Fmissing-baby-lisa-behind-the-scenes-drama-hurting-case-27122332.html

Irwin's trick or treating last night.
They didn't mind parading their boys around for the camera,huh?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on November 01, 2011, 09:54:35 AM
IF deb did/does drugs, got them from jersey.

Did JI know that there were 3 phones before Lisa went missing?
Did deb just have the 3rd phone for calling jersey for drugs?

 ::MonkeyEek::


Oh, didn't know one was broken.
Why didn't they throw it away IF broken.

We need Castles writers to look into this case.
Btw, last nights Castle was WooW...
 ::MonkeyTongue::

Wasn't the original story that one of the three was a replacement for Deb's phone which was broken bought by her father.  If so, that would leave one supposedly for JI, who also had a work phone.  I think that was from an early NG story, but I would have to look it up. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on November 01, 2011, 09:55:41 AM
IF deb did/does drugs, got them from jersey.

Did JI know that there were 3 phones before Lisa went missing?
Did deb just have the 3rd phone for calling jersey for drugs?

 ::MonkeyEek::


Oh, didn't know one was broken.
Why didn't they throw it away IF broken.

We need Castles writers to look into this case.
Btw, last nights Castle was WooW...
 ::MonkeyTongue::

Wasn't the original story that one of the three was a replacement for Deb's phone which was broken bought by her father.  If so, that would leave one supposedly for JI, who also had a work phone.  I think that was from an early NG story, but I would have to look it up. 

Sorry, got in your box... ::MonkeyDevil::


Oh, didn't know one was broken.
Why didn't they throw it away IF broken.

We need Castles writers to look into this case.   ::MonkeyWink::
Btw, last nights Castle was WooW...
 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 10:41:32 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15919668/womans-cell-phone-connected-to-search-for-missing-baby?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
Woman's cell phone connected to search for missing baby
Posted: Oct 31, 2011 9:33 PM CDT Updated: Nov 01, 2011 6:46 AM CDT
By DeAnn Smith, Digital Content Manager - email
By Betsy Webster, News Reporter - bio | email


Video at link.
KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

A woman says investigators have questioned her four times about a cell phone call made from one of Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin's cell phones just a few hours before they reported their daughter missing.

Megan Wright told CNN Monday that the telephone call came in between 8 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. Oct. 3.

Bradley and Irwin told police about 4 a.m. Oct. 4 that their daughter had been snatched was from her crib while she was sleeping. Bradley initially said she last saw her daughter at 10:30 p.m. Oct. 3, but later said she was drunk that night and last saw her daughter around 6:30 p.m.

Bradley and Irwin have repeatedly insisted that the kidnapper stole the family's three cell phones but the cell phones weren't working because of nonpayment. In court documents filed in mid-October, police said they have yet to recover the cell phones.

"I didn't have my phone at the time, but apparently there was a 50 second phone call from one of the family's phones to my cell phone. About 50 seconds long," she said. "I don't know what was said or who called or who answered my phone. But that's what the police have been questioning me about."

Wright said she received her phone back between 11 p.m. and 11:30 p.m. Oct. 3, just a few hours after the mysterious phone call was received.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cookie on November 01, 2011, 10:42:31 AM
IF deb did/does drugs, got them from jersey.

Did JI know that there were 3 phones before Lisa went missing?
Did deb just have the 3rd phone for calling jersey for drugs?

 ::MonkeyEek::


Oh, didn't know one was broken.
Why didn't they throw it away IF broken.

We need Castles writers to look into this case.
Btw, last nights Castle was WooW...
 ::MonkeyTongue::

Wasn't the original story that one of the three was a replacement for Deb's phone which was broken bought by her father.  If so, that would leave one supposedly for JI, who also had a work phone.  I think that was from an early NG story, but I would have to look it up. 

Sorry, got in your box... ::MonkeyDevil::


Oh, didn't know one was broken.
Why didn't they throw it away IF broken.

We need Castles writers to look into this case.   ::MonkeyWink::
Btw, last nights Castle was WooW...
 

yes..last nights Castle was really good!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 10:49:19 AM
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/fbi-gang-insane-clown-posse/?mbid=ob_ppc_dangerroom

credit to poster on JC for finding video and article below video, TU poster Cattoy;http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59056&page=28.

interesting snip from article;

Worse, “Juggalos’ disorganization and lack of structure within their groups, coupled with their transient nature, makes it difficult to classify them and identify their members and migration patterns.”

snip;


You might think Insane Clown Posse’s people — known as the Juggalos — are just a group of face-painting teenagers who wonder how magnets work. Not so, says the FBI’s 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment. To the feds, Juggalos are a “loosely-organized hybrid gang” that are “forming more organized subsets and engaging in more gang-like criminal activity.”

Consult page 22 of the FBI’s brand-new annual report on gang activity nationwide. (.PDF) Listed in the same breath as street gangs with ties to murderous Mexican drug cartels is the Juggalo threat.

“Although recognized as a gang in only four states,” reports the FBI’s National Gang Intelligence Center,” many Juggalos subsets exhibit gang-like behavior and engage in criminal activity and violence.”
___________________________________________________________

I wonder in what 4 states FBI thinks ICP is operating as an organized gang.  


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 10:54:14 AM
Muffy TU for fixing the link to JimSpellmancnn twitter link.  I tried it last nite and couldn't get it...I have twitter ID to read but it's been so long since I signed on I can't begin to guess what passwords I might of used...ha ha.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: 4myjoey on November 01, 2011, 10:56:18 AM
Does Dr fessel post on WS?  One and the same?  Totally irrelevant but curious all the same.

If not Jersey who?  I think Mike Thompson is the mistaken witness but what do I know?  Biker guy sees someone in 5 mile radius to Irwin house.  Does he frequent one-eyed Jacks bar?  That would be my question cuz if he does than he knows this Jersey.


Yes Dr. Fessel does post on WS.  Where ever he goes he uses the same nic.  (the picture he uses is a drunk FBI guy sitting on a park bench with his spit cup)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: flutter1 on November 01, 2011, 10:57:45 AM
IF deb did/does drugs, got them from jersey.

Did JI know that there were 3 phones before Lisa went missing?
Did deb just have the 3rd phone for calling jersey for drugs?

 ::MonkeyEek::


Oh, didn't know one was broken.
Why didn't they throw it away IF broken.

We need Castles writers to look into this case.
Btw, last nights Castle was WooW...
 ::MonkeyTongue::

Wasn't the original story that one of the three was a replacement for Deb's phone which was broken bought by her father.  If so, that would leave one supposedly for JI, who also had a work phone.  I think that was from an early NG story, but I would have to look it up.  

Sorry, got in your box... ::MonkeyDevil::


Oh, didn't know one was broken.
Why didn't they throw it away IF broken.

We need Castles writers to look into this case.   ::MonkeyWink::
Btw, last nights Castle was WooW...
 

yes..last nights Castle was really good!

Castle writers?  Have I missed a new member?  I am existing on a droid phone and tablet, so I can't read/write nearly as much as I have in the past.  ::witch2::

Actually, we all need to get back on topic.  "Castle" is a tv show.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on November 01, 2011, 11:07:04 AM
IF deb did/does drugs, got them from jersey.

Did JI know that there were 3 phones before Lisa went missing?
Did deb just have the 3rd phone for calling jersey for drugs?

 ::MonkeyEek::


Oh, didn't know one was broken.
Why didn't they throw it away IF broken.

We need Castles writers to look into this case.
Btw, last nights Castle was WooW...
 ::MonkeyTongue::

Wasn't the original story that one of the three was a replacement for Deb's phone which was broken bought by her father.  If so, that would leave one supposedly for JI, who also had a work phone.  I think that was from an early NG story, but I would have to look it up.  

Sorry, got in your box... ::MonkeyDevil::


Oh, didn't know one was broken.
Why didn't they throw it away IF broken.

We need Castles writers to look into this case.   ::MonkeyWink::
Btw, last nights Castle was WooW...
 

yes..last nights Castle was really good!

Castle writers?  Have I missed a new member?  I am existing on a droid phone and tablet, so I can't read/write nearly as much as I have in the past.  ::witch2::

Actually, we all need to get back on topic.  "Castle" is a tv show.   ::MonkeyWink::

You can watch free..Castle
http://www.hulu.com/watch/295045/castle-cops-and-robbers#s-p1-so-i0 (http://www.hulu.com/watch/295045/castle-cops-and-robbers#s-p1-so-i0)

I'm serous, with Castle's writers would look into this case. ::MonkeyWink::Now they think "out of the box" is an understatement...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 01, 2011, 11:10:03 AM
OT
Here's a link to a new thread I've opened for Castle.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12291.new#new


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cookie on November 01, 2011, 11:12:24 AM
OT
Here's a link to a new thread I've opened for Castle.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12291.new#new

thanks Muffy...


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 11:14:43 AM
Does Dr fessel post on WS?  One and the same?  Totally irrelevant but curious all the same.

If not Jersey who?  I think Mike Thompson is the mistaken witness but what do I know?  Biker guy sees someone in 5 mile radius to Irwin house.  Does he frequent one-eyed Jacks bar?  That would be my question cuz if he does than he knows this Jersey.


Yes Dr. Fessel does post on WS.  Where ever he goes he uses the same nic.  (the picture he uses is a drunk FBI guy sitting on a park bench with his spit cup)

TU.  I have been reading one particular poster on another forum who seems to have some inside info/insight as a local so I guess I should look into this poster also.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on November 01, 2011, 11:17:15 AM
Lisa Irwin: Issues 10/31/11
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/4WcZ3yQd3MU



Thanks Trim.

This is my take:  Jersey breaks into homes in neighborhoods. Nothing has been said of whether or not he "steals" things. Does he maybe unlock front doors and leave lights on?

Jersey is a handyman for several neighbors. One house, the night of Lisa's disappearance, has him rotating sprinkling system on newly sowed grass seed. The backyard fence of that home, faces the dumpster that burned. This is at the townhouses.

Megan included her phone # when attempting to sell a GPS. That is what made her prepaid phone # public.

If witnesses of baby Lisa sightings, the night of her disappearance, had notified LE regarding "unclothed baby" in cold night air, perhaps Lisa would have already been found. Referred to as "child endangerment."

Whew!  A lot to swallow all at once.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 11:22:53 AM
Lisa Irwin: Issues 10/31/11
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/4WcZ3yQd3MU



Thanks Trim.

This is my take:  Jersey breaks into homes in neighborhoods. Nothing has been said of whether or not he "steals" things. Does he maybe unlock front doors and leave lights on?

Jersey is a handyman for several neighbors. One house, the night of Lisa's disappearance, has him rotating sprinkling system on newly sowed grass seed. The backyard fence of that home, faces the dumpster that burned. This is at the townhouses.

Megan included her phone # when attempting to sell a GPS. That is what made her prepaid phone # public.

If witnesses of baby Lisa sightings, the night of her disappearance, had notified LE regarding "unclothed baby" in cold night air, perhaps Lisa would have already been found. Referred to as "child endangerment."

Whew!  A lot to swallow all at once.

Yes, I bet some people are kicking theirselves right now.  Very sad.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 11:24:33 AM
Could it get any weirder with all the strange happenings that night?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on November 01, 2011, 11:26:59 AM
Random theory here than;

JI is the dealer and Jersey steals from his car(august auto theft report).  So they are hunting for him/them to seek retribution and put the word out.  MWakadipshit puts the ad in craigs list with some stolen goods(gps) other than the dope.  DI sees it and with it being "The party house" word passes thru the grapevine and they catch wind of her catch and steal Lisa?

See that just does not work for me at all but....


Unfortunately, parts of it "work" too well. Parts of the northland have always been sewers. Stuff festers there and until it spills over, into nicer areas, the crime is generally ignored by the public at large. So very sad.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on November 01, 2011, 11:33:33 AM
Jersey is a nutter and an alcoholic not a dealer; he does not have the brains left to do whats required, JMO.  I think his first lockup pic is atleast a decade old and he looked the same than as now.  Maybe someone who flew below the radar for alot of stuff unfortunately which is typical for some.  JMO.

Regardless I am glad he's in lock up for his "Felony" that has yet to be disclosed to the public IFYKWIM.
Jersey could and would sell a couple pills if he could make a dime off them....Im not saying drug dealer like a crack addict or coke head....Im saying sell a few pills here and there......I have a friend that will drink like Debbie and if she can get a pill from someone....a vicoden or a percasets she will take it while drinking to up her high.....thats the kind of drug Im talking about....Debbie could afford a pill or two.....but no she couldnt afford some coke or crack, Im talking about 5 bucks for a pill and Jersey could definaitly sell one and probably would to make a few extra bucks.....Still dont think he is involved any further!!! The cops has said he has been cleared as far as baby Lisa goes!!

Respectfully disagree here but it is awful hard for LE to get a word - any word from this Jersey guy that is valid or believable to bring to court no matter how its tossed IMO.  He's an insanity nightmare and his MO is Breaking and Entering, bad checks, petty theft, and public drunkenness...  I think they are trying to crack everyone else instead.

How many times is the felon already in jail or awaiting trial for a different crime when slammed with something else?  Lots IMO.

Back to Mom - now I have a drunk and drugged up Deborah who had the where with all to do that and hide it all after all LE's searches with no visible help or car...not sure I believe either yet - I'm still waiting for more real evidence.

IDK what to think but Jersey fits...he would leave the lights on, steal the phones and baby, leave little to no DNA IMO.  It's one possibility out of a few JMO.



Just a thought. If you want something done right, you hire a professional. No fingerprints...no dna.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 11:39:08 AM
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/fbi-gang-insane-clown-posse/?mbid=ob_ppc_dangerroom

credit to poster on JC for finding video and article below video, TU poster Cattoy;http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59056&page=28.

interesting snip from article;

Worse, “Juggalos’ disorganization and lack of structure within their groups, coupled with their transient nature, makes it difficult to classify them and identify their members and migration patterns.”

snip;


You might think Insane Clown Posse’s people — known as the Juggalos — are just a group of face-painting teenagers who wonder how magnets work. Not so, says the FBI’s 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment. To the feds, Juggalos are a “loosely-organized hybrid gang” that are “forming more organized subsets and engaging in more gang-like criminal activity.”

Consult page 22 of the FBI’s brand-new annual report on gang activity nationwide. (.PDF) Listed in the same breath as street gangs with ties to murderous Mexican drug cartels is the Juggalo threat.

“Although recognized as a gang in only four states,” reports the FBI’s National Gang Intelligence Center,” many Juggalos subsets exhibit gang-like behavior and engage in criminal activity and violence.”
___________________________________________________________

I wonder in what 4 states FBI thinks ICP is operating as an organized gang.  

I see these states mentioned.....
Utah;[14] Arizona;[6] Monroe County, Pennsylvania;[15][16] and Modesto, California.[17]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggalo


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2011, 11:39:22 AM
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/10/jeremy-irwin-portrait-of-abdication.html
Monday, October 31, 2011
Jeremy Irwin: Portrait of Abdication


 :smt038


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on November 01, 2011, 11:46:09 AM
Just a video of another attorney weighing in on this case...

http://www.chathousenews.com/2011/11/local-attorney-weighs-in-on-lisa-irwin.html (http://www.chathousenews.com/2011/11/local-attorney-weighs-in-on-lisa-irwin.html)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on November 01, 2011, 11:49:29 AM
http://gma.yahoo.com/video/news-26797925/missing-baby-lisa-behind-the-scenes-drama-hurting-case-27122332.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fnews-26797925%252Fmissing-baby-lisa-behind-the-scenes-drama-hurting-case-27122332.html

Irwin's trick or treating last night.
They didn't mind parading their boys around for the camera,huh?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


DB and JI allowed cameras into their home to film their children and that film distributed enmass, but will not be interviewed to help find their missing baby Lisa. What is wrong with this?

Short was fired twice before? This is new to me.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on November 01, 2011, 11:55:09 AM
Jersey is a nutter and an alcoholic not a dealer; he does not have the brains left to do whats required, JMO.  I think his first lockup pic is atleast a decade old and he looked the same than as now.  Maybe someone who flew below the radar for alot of stuff unfortunately which is typical for some.  JMO.

Regardless I am glad he's in lock up for his "Felony" that has yet to be disclosed to the public IFYKWIM.
Jersey could and would sell a couple pills if he could make a dime off them....Im not saying drug dealer like a crack addict or coke head....Im saying sell a few pills here and there......I have a friend that will drink like Debbie and if she can get a pill from someone....a vicoden or a percasets she will take it while drinking to up her high.....thats the kind of drug Im talking about....Debbie could afford a pill or two.....but no she couldnt afford some coke or crack, Im talking about 5 bucks for a pill and Jersey could definaitly sell one and probably would to make a few extra bucks.....Still dont think he is involved any further!!! The cops has said he has been cleared as far as baby Lisa goes!!

Respectfully disagree here but it is awful hard for LE to get a word - any word from this Jersey guy that is valid or believable to bring to court no matter how its tossed IMO.  He's an insanity nightmare and his MO is Breaking and Entering, bad checks, petty theft, and public drunkenness...  I think they are trying to crack everyone else instead.

How many times is the felon already in jail or awaiting trial for a different crime when slammed with something else?  Lots IMO.

Back to Mom - now I have a drunk and drugged up Deborah who had the where with all to do that and hide it all after all LE's searches with no visible help or car...not sure I believe either yet - I'm still waiting for more real evidence.

IDK what to think but Jersey fits...he would leave the lights on, steal the phones and baby, leave little to no DNA IMO.  It's one possibility out of a few JMO.



Just a thought. If you want something done right, you hire a professional. No fingerprints...no dna.



Thought I had better explain this. These neighborhoods are full of thugs, alcoholics and drug abusers...so far, we've heard nothing of "murderers."  They are mainly out to accomplish two things, tunnel vision, if you will. They want drugs first and they money, second, to buy the drugs. They are generally not out there to murder anyone.

Here is where baby Lisa comes in. Unless of course, we buy into the DB cause theory.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 01, 2011, 11:56:24 AM
http://gma.yahoo.com/video/news-26797925/missing-baby-lisa-behind-the-scenes-drama-hurting-case-27122332.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fnews-26797925%252Fmissing-baby-lisa-behind-the-scenes-drama-hurting-case-27122332.html

Irwin's trick or treating last night.
They didn't mind parading their boys around for the camera,huh?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


DB and JI allowed cameras into their home to film their children and that film distributed enmass, but will not be interviewed to help find their missing baby Lisa. What is wrong with this?

Short was fired twice before? This is new to me.
This is the reason I have always thought these people are strange and guilty....who the HEll goes into hiding to keep people away from them and dont want their children qestioned but then all of a sudden the next thing we see are them and their boys on film trick or treating...wth is up with that, makes no sense........MONEY...thats what they are all about!!!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 12:19:41 PM
http://global.christianpost.com/news/baby-lisa-irwin-missing-neighbor-says-handyman-shady-60012/

Tue, Nov. 01 2011 10:58 AM EDT
Baby Lisa Irwin Missing: Neighbor Says Handyman 'Shady'
Neighbor Mary Hurt Talks About The Local Handyman, Jersey

snipped;

“Our neighbor told us that the night that baby went missing, the man who was seen coming up the street came and went on our property and through our next door neighbor’s gate,” Hurt told CNN’s Nancy Grace, in reference to Jersey, a handyman in the Irwin’s residential neighborhood.

Hurt described Jersey as “shady.”

Police have not confirmed Jersey as a suspect. The handyman is currently behind bars for an unrelated burglary charge.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 12:31:02 PM
http://gma.yahoo.com/video/news-26797925/missing-baby-lisa-behind-the-scenes-drama-hurting-case-27122332.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fnews-26797925%252Fmissing-baby-lisa-behind-the-scenes-drama-hurting-case-27122332.html

Irwin's trick or treating last night.
They didn't mind parading their boys around for the camera,huh?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


DB and JI allowed cameras into their home to film their children and that film distributed enmass, but will not be interviewed to help find their missing baby Lisa. What is wrong with this?

Short was fired twice before? This is new to me.
Me too.  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on November 01, 2011, 12:31:23 PM
http://global.christianpost.com/news/baby-lisa-irwin-missing-neighbor-says-handyman-shady-60012/

Tue, Nov. 01 2011 10:58 AM EDT
Baby Lisa Irwin Missing: Neighbor Says Handyman 'Shady'
Neighbor Mary Hurt Talks About The Local Handyman, Jersey

snipped;

“Our neighbor told us that the night that baby went missing, the man who was seen coming up the street came and went on our property and through our next door neighbor’s gate,” Hurt told CNN’s Nancy Grace, in reference to Jersey, a handyman in the Irwin’s residential neighborhood.

Hurt described Jersey as “shady.”

Police have not confirmed Jersey as a suspect. The handyman is currently behind bars for an unrelated burglary charge.





Wonder where that gate led?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on November 01, 2011, 12:35:21 PM
JVM transcript 10/31/11

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/31/ijvm.01.html

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, explosive developments in the missing Baby Lisa case. Reports claim the woman says she got a mystery phone call from a cell phone, allegedly stolen from the baby`s home, has a bizarre connection to the homeless man who was questioned in this case.
 ::snipping2::
OS

Thanks, Os, you for the transcript.

I have not watched Nancy Grace, and JVM for a couple of months. The hype gets to be too thick for my taste sometimes.

But, I know they sometimes do some decent reporting.

I will now move on, and believe that Megan had a five months relationship with Jersey (something that still seems odd to me) and that Mike Thompson identified someone other than Jersey as the man he saw at 4:00am on Oct. 4th.

Now, if he didn't identify Jersey, who DID he identify?



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 01, 2011, 12:37:56 PM
http://global.christianpost.com/news/baby-lisa-irwin-missing-neighbor-says-handyman-shady-60012/

Tue, Nov. 01 2011 10:58 AM EDT
Baby Lisa Irwin Missing: Neighbor Says Handyman 'Shady'
Neighbor Mary Hurt Talks About The Local Handyman, Jersey

snipped;

“Our neighbor told us that the night that baby went missing, the man who was seen coming up the street came and went on our property and through our next door neighbor’s gate,” Hurt told CNN’s Nancy Grace, in reference to Jersey, a handyman in the Irwin’s residential neighborhood.

Hurt described Jersey as “shady.”

Police have not confirmed Jersey as a suspect. The handyman is currently behind bars for an unrelated burglary charge.


I dont doubt for one second that this Jersey guy is "shady" but still say he has nothing to do with baby Lisa, he is just caught up in the middle of this investigation because if him being around that neighborhood and if Debra would tell what she did that night LE could find the real person that hurt baby Lisa!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on November 01, 2011, 12:39:13 PM
http://global.christianpost.com/news/baby-lisa-irwin-missing-neighbor-says-handyman-shady-60012/

Tue, Nov. 01 2011 10:58 AM EDT
Baby Lisa Irwin Missing: Neighbor Says Handyman 'Shady'
Neighbor Mary Hurt Talks About The Local Handyman, Jersey

snipped;

“Our neighbor told us that the night that baby went missing, the man who was seen coming up the street came and went on our property and through our next door neighbor’s gate,” Hurt told CNN’s Nancy Grace, in reference to Jersey, a handyman in the Irwin’s residential neighborhood.

Hurt described Jersey as “shady.”

Police have not confirmed Jersey as a suspect. The handyman is currently behind bars for an unrelated burglary charge.





Wonder where that gate led?



I re-listened to the video and Mary Hurt explained that at the back of their property there is a hill that leads up to the town houses where the dumpster fired occurred.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 01:03:45 PM
google map from earlier;

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&cp=36&gs_id=30&xhr=t&q=3600+north+lister+kansas+city+missouri&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1280&bih=571&wrapid=tljp1318275475984058&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 01:06:06 PM
google map from earlier;

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&cp=36&gs_id=30&xhr=t&q=3600+north+lister+kansas+city+missouri&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1280&bih=571&wrapid=tljp1318275475984058&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

dumpster fire address snipped;

Police said someone reported a dumpster fire at an apartment complex at 4897 NE 37th Street at 2:27 a.m. on Tuesday, October 4. The dumpster is less than a half a mile away from the Irwin home.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-police-search-landfill-police-scour-landfill-in-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: StarMonkey on November 01, 2011, 01:07:55 PM
In the few videos and several articals Megan W is in ... The key words stick out to me she says " I don't know who answered my phone" this tells me someone answered it and she knows that. Who were the 7 oth people she lives with ? Has LE been able to find all of them? Why was Deborah associating with these people. Drugs?
Also in some reports it says 830 was time of call and some 230.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 01, 2011, 01:16:44 PM
I don't know what exactly happened here to baby Lisa, but I do know what a parent who is innocently missing a child looks and behaves like. Beth and Dave Holloway qualify........ these two parents don't.

Victim parents search instead of Trick or Treating. Victim parents self blame even when there is no blame on them. Beth earnestly expressed regret that Natalie's international cell phone options weren't activated, while Baby Lisa's Mom argues that being drunk while the children were in her care, had nothing to do with the baby missing.

Victim parents are eager to do any and everything to get to the truth........... they don't lie and change their own version.

Lisa's parents are involved with this on some level......... JMO.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 01, 2011, 01:26:14 PM
I don't know what exactly happened here to baby Lisa, but I do know what a parent who is innocently missing a child looks and behaves like. Beth and Dave Holloway qualify........ these two parents don't.

Victim parents search instead of Trick or Treating. Victim parents self blame even when there is no blame on them. Beth earnestly expressed regret that Natalie's international cell phone options weren't activated, while Baby Lisa's Mom argues that being drunk while the children were in her care, had nothing to do with the baby missing.

Victim parents are eager to do any and everything to get to the truth........... they don't lie and change their own version.

Lisa's parents are involved with this on some level......... JMO.


AMEN......she should be appolagizing to everyone for drinking while she had those children in her care, she should be on every news channel begging for her child to be returned, she should be up at the police station every chance she gets to ask if there is anything new to report, but instead she is in hiding well, hiding from everyone except the news station that offered her the most money to let them film them on Halloween night, and this is just making me sick, another parent that has done something evil to their own child and is now reaping the benefits....yuk


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 01:31:00 PM
I don't know what exactly happened here to baby Lisa, but I do know what a parent who is innocently missing a child looks and behaves like. Beth and Dave Holloway qualify........ these two parents don't.

Victim parents search instead of Trick or Treating. Victim parents self blame even when there is no blame on them. Beth earnestly expressed regret that Natalie's international cell phone options weren't activated, while Baby Lisa's Mom argues that being drunk while the children were in her care, had nothing to do with the baby missing.

Victim parents are eager to do any and everything to get to the truth........... they don't lie and change their own version.

Lisa's parents are involved with this on some level......... JMO.


::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on November 01, 2011, 01:31:37 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29647602/detail.html
Brothers Of Missing Baby Go Trick-Or-Treating
ABC Cameras Follow Lisa Irwin's Brothers On Halloween

POSTED: 8:03 am CDT November 1, 2011

(http://www.kmbc.com/2011/1101/29647604_640X480.jpg)
Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29647602/detail.html#ixzz1cSalhojm


This is nuts.  They're exhausted from the media attention and investigation but trick or treating with the boys is news?  What about the missing baby?!

This is starting to look like Kate plus eight.   ::MonkeyMad::

I get that they need to keep things normalized as much as possible for the boys but none of us need to know about trick or treating and, frankly, I just don't care about it or the parents exhaustion or whatever.  I only want to hear about what they're doing to find Lisa.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on November 01, 2011, 01:33:23 PM
How much did ABC pay for those images and video??

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2011, 01:34:26 PM
I don't know what exactly happened here to baby Lisa, but I do know what a parent who is innocently missing a child looks and behaves like. Beth and Dave Holloway qualify........ these two parents don't.

Victim parents search instead of Trick or Treating. Victim parents self blame even when there is no blame on them. Beth earnestly expressed regret that Natalie's international cell phone options weren't activated, while Baby Lisa's Mom argues that being drunk while the children were in her care, had nothing to do with the baby missing.

Victim parents are eager to do any and everything to get to the truth........... they don't lie and change their own version.

Lisa's parents are involved with this on some level......... JMO.



Post of the Day!!!

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+++++

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Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 31:  Clutching both portraits, Jug and I drive to the private hangar at the far side of the Birmingham airport.  On the way I contact Cingular Wireless and have international calling activated on my cell.  I activate Natalee's too.  If she has hers with her, she can call me now.  If she had had international calling last night, she could have called someone for help.  Why didn't we do this before she left?  I feel such regret.


Others Might Learn

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 200:
  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

+++++

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Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on November 01, 2011, 01:35:56 PM
I don't know what exactly happened here to baby Lisa, but I do know what a parent who is innocently missing a child looks and behaves like. Beth and Dave Holloway qualify........ these two parents don't.

Victim parents search instead of Trick or Treating. Victim parents self blame even when there is no blame on them. Beth earnestly expressed regret that Natalie's international cell phone options weren't activated, while Baby Lisa's Mom argues that being drunk while the children were in her care, had nothing to do with the baby missing.

Victim parents are eager to do any and everything to get to the truth........... they don't lie and change their own version.

Lisa's parents are involved with this on some level......... JMO.


I totally agree with you!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 01:36:34 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/31/3240983/kc-lawyer-in-lisa-irwin-case-says.html
Posted on Tue, Nov. 01, 2011 12:05 AM
KC lawyer in Lisa Irwin case says differences with New York co-counsel led to split
By GLENN E. RICE
The Kansas City Star

 ::snipping2::
“Mr. Tacopina and I were not able to work as a team,” Short said at a Monday morning news conference outside her Westport office. “Our goals and approach were so different that one of us had to go. And that someone is me.”

Short said she thought the parents’ legal team should pay more attention to gathering support and information locally. Tacopina was more interested in national exposure of the case, she said.

“Our approaches were very different,” Short said. “I was here for 10 days working on the case, and Mr. Tacopina was in Rome.”

“After hearing there was a press conference and listening to Mrs. Short’s statement we are further convinced that we made the correct decision,” Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin said in a prepared statement. “One of the reasons we relieved Mrs. Short was because she was holding her own press conferences, making statements to the media, and giving tours of the home that we were finding out about after the fact.”

The statement said Tacopina had secured local lawyers to join the team representing the family.

Capt. Steve Young, a police spokesman, said Monday there were no new developments in the case.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/31/3240983/kc-lawyer-in-lisa-irwin-case-says.html#ixzz1cTZp11ov



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 01, 2011, 01:40:42 PM
I don't know what exactly happened here to baby Lisa, but I do know what a parent who is innocently missing a child looks and behaves like. Beth and Dave Holloway qualify........ these two parents don't.

Victim parents search instead of Trick or Treating. Victim parents self blame even when there is no blame on them. Beth earnestly expressed regret that Natalie's international cell phone options weren't activated, while Baby Lisa's Mom argues that being drunk while the children were in her care, had nothing to do with the baby missing.

Victim parents are eager to do any and everything to get to the truth........... they don't lie and change their own version.

Lisa's parents are involved with this on some level......... JMO.


AMEN......she should be appolagizing to everyone for drinking while she had those children in her care, she should be on every news channel begging for her child to be returned, she should be up at the police station every chance she gets to ask if there is anything new to report, but instead she is in hiding well, hiding from everyone except the news station that offered her the most money to let them film them on Halloween night, and this is just making me sick, another parent that has done something evil to their own child and is now reaping the benefits....yuk

Exactly. I hate to say it, but we all know that the chances of Baby Lisa being found alive are very slim. I fear the question will eventually be whether or not this parent, or parents, will walk just like Casey did. The telling behavior of the parent's reactions to a missing child had virtually no impact on Caylee's jury.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 01, 2011, 01:44:05 PM
I don't know what exactly happened here to baby Lisa, but I do know what a parent who is innocently missing a child looks and behaves like. Beth and Dave Holloway qualify........ these two parents don't.

Victim parents search instead of Trick or Treating. Victim parents self blame even when there is no blame on them. Beth earnestly expressed regret that Natalie's international cell phone options weren't activated, while Baby Lisa's Mom argues that being drunk while the children were in her care, had nothing to do with the baby missing.

Victim parents are eager to do any and everything to get to the truth........... they don't lie and change their own version.

Lisa's parents are involved with this on some level......... JMO.



Post of the Day!!!

Thanks CBB

Janet

+++++

I Feel Such Regret

Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 31:  Clutching both portraits, Jug and I drive to the private hangar at the far side of the Birmingham airport.  On the way I contact Cingular Wireless and have international calling activated on my cell.  I activate Natalee's too.  If she has hers with her, she can call me now.  If she had had international calling last night, she could have called someone for help.  Why didn't we do this before she left?  I feel such regret.


Others Might Learn

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 200:
  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

+++++

Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


Janet.............. you are a living, breathing resource center! Dang, you're good!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 01:46:25 PM
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/attorney-baby-lisa-s-parents-cooperating-every-way-public-not-seeing-it
Attorney: Baby Lisa's parents cooperating in every way, public not seeing it
Isabelle Zehnder
, Missing Persons Examiner
November 1, 2011


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on November 01, 2011, 01:49:32 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29647602/detail.html
Brothers Of Missing Baby Go Trick-Or-Treating
ABC Cameras Follow Lisa Irwin's Brothers On Halloween

POSTED: 8:03 am CDT November 1, 2011

(http://www.kmbc.com/2011/1101/29647604_640X480.jpg)
Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29647602/detail.html#ixzz1cSalhojm

I knew it! The minute it was reported that Stanton was back and taking them away, I said they would be on TV in the next 4 days, I was off by a few hours.  With that idiot and scumbag taco joe back in the picture it could only mean money from the press.  These people are despicable and the entire extended family should be jailed for life right next to the Anthonys...those who aren't on death row, that is. 

Since that appears to be someone's residence, could it be Aunt Cindy's in Raytown?  And who is that in the background in front of the tv?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 01:56:23 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15925815/deborahs-brother-leaves-with-detectives
Deborah's brother leaves with detectives
Posted: Nov 01, 2011 12:20 PM CDT Updated: Nov 01, 2011 12:31 PM CDT

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

Lisa Irwin's parents, Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, still have not sat down with authorities for an unrestricted interview since the second day of the investigation, police said.

But on Tuesday, two members of the Kansas City, MO police department came to the home on North Walrond where the family once stayed.

The two detectives left with Deborah's brother after half an hour inside the home.

Police have not said why they made the house visit.  ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 01:57:18 PM
CaseSignal Case Signal (BeanE)
RT @SantinaLeuci: Attorney for Joe Tacopina is back in Kansas City for the baby Lisa case. @giannatoboni what is going on today? #lisairwin
1 minute ago http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 02:01:20 PM
WooHoo movement in this case finally.  TU Trimm.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 01, 2011, 02:18:41 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15925815/deborahs-brother-leaves-with-detectives
Deborah's brother leaves with detectives
Posted: Nov 01, 2011 12:20 PM CDT Updated: Nov 01, 2011 12:31 PM CDT

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

Lisa Irwin's parents, Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, still have not sat down with authorities for an unrestricted interview since the second day of the investigation, police said.

But on Tuesday, two members of the Kansas City, MO police department came to the home on North Walrond where the family once stayed.

The two detectives left with Deborah's brother after half an hour inside the home.

Police have not said why they made the house visit.  ::snipping2::
hmmmm....now something is going forward....wonder what thats all about......did he leave in cuffs or what?  I hope he is about to spill the beans if he knows anything...Thank God


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 02:20:58 PM
no cuffs on video...hee hee.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 02:21:38 PM
no cuffs on video...hee hee.

Oh and me too on the spilling of the beans.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 01, 2011, 02:27:28 PM
no cuffs on video...hee hee.

Oh and me too on the spilling of the beans.
yea, I spoke before I watched the video..lol......now I wonder what he has to say? He looked like he was going willingly, maybe he has decided to tell all, I hope and pray that this is the beginning of the end for DB and her lies, he must know something, otherwise why take him anywhere, they could have questioned him right there at that house so this is indeed good news, now we just have to wait and see what is gonna happen next!!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 02:34:59 PM
Gone and back already;

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15925815/deborahs-brother-leaves-with-detectives

snipped;

The two detectives left with the maternal uncle after half an hour inside the home. The uncle was gone about two hours. He returned about 12:45 p.m. and was dropped off by two people inside a car registered to a rental car agency in Independence.

Police have not said why they made the house visit.  When asked about the visit, they told KCTV5 this is an active investigation and they are still conducting interviews. 




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 01, 2011, 02:35:24 PM
The brother the cops took in is Phil.....hmm...wonder what he knows..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 02:40:52 PM
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Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 02:46:24 PM
The brother the cops took in is Phil.....hmm...wonder what he knows..

He should know atleast one very important thing...did he see an alive Lisa that day and at what time did he last see her.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 02:47:03 PM
Phillips Netz
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41373_1749000701_8389_n.jpg)


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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2011, 02:49:25 PM

Janet.............. you are a living, breathing resource center! Dang, you're good!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks CBB

Lot to do outside the computer room this afternoon and I was sooo unmotivated.  Your smooch was a great pick-me-up.

Janet
11:45 PM PT



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2011, 02:50:56 PM

Janet.............. you are a living, breathing resource center! Dang, you're good!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks CBB

Lot to do outside the computer room this afternoon and I was sooo unmotivated.  Your smooch was a great pick-me-up.

Janet
11:45 PM PT



 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2011, 02:52:34 PM
Klaas/Mod

Please delete #757.  I messed up.

Thanks

Janet


Doing it now, Janet................ and I know you'll never ask again, right?   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 02:56:14 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2011/11/01/ng-baby-lisa-irwin-neighbor.hln?iref=allsearch
Added On November 1, 2011
A neighbor of Lisa Irwin talks about what happened the night of her disappearance.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 03:01:48 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15925815/deborahs-brother-leaves-with-detectives
comments........
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I just heard from the homeowner where Megan Wright was/is staying with the other 7 people that she had been verbally evicted from her residence some where on N Brighton and from there she was staying at the Irwins place and her vehicle was at one point there but broke down.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: stayhomemommy on November 01, 2011, 03:07:23 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15925815/deborahs-brother-leaves-with-detectives
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I just heard from the homeowner where Megan Wright was/is staying with the other 7 people that she had been verbally evicted from her residence some where on N Brighton and from there she was staying at the Irwins place and her vehicle was at one point there but broke down.

I'm sorry. I'm really trying to keep everything straight in this case, but it's all so confusing. What does this mean: that Megan Wright was at one point staying a the Irwin's place? Meaning, a rental? Or with the Irwim family? Thanks in advance for helping me clarify this in my mind.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on November 01, 2011, 03:09:11 PM
http://gma.yahoo.com/video/news-26797925/missing-baby-lisa-behind-the-scenes-drama-hurting-case-27122332.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fnews-26797925%252Fmissing-baby-lisa-behind-the-scenes-drama-hurting-case-27122332.html

Irwin's trick or treating last night.
They didn't mind parading their boys around for the camera,huh?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Unbelievable.   Shades of Anthony lack of good taste.  It's just stupid!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 03:09:19 PM
JHoltFox4KC John Holt
Breaking: John Picerno confirms to me he will represent family of missing Baby #LisaIrwin. Selected by NY firm led by Joseph Tacopina.
41 seconds ago http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 03:10:15 PM
http://www.johnpicerno.com/topics/picerno.html
John Anthony Picerno: Attorney at Law, Kansas City Missouri


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 03:16:33 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15925815/deborahs-brother-leaves-with-detectives
comments........
sh3d3vilinme
34 mins ago
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I just heard from the homeowner where Megan Wright was/is staying with the other 7 people that she had been verbally evicted from her residence some where on N Brighton and from there she was staying at the Irwins place and her vehicle was at one point there but broke down.

I'm sorry. I'm really trying to keep everything straight in this case, but it's all so confusing. What does this mean: that Megan Wright was at one point staying a the Irwin's place? Meaning, a rental? Or with the Irwim family? Thanks in advance for helping me clarify this in my mind.
I do not know,just assumed their home.Maybe we'll get more info.  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: stayhomemommy on November 01, 2011, 03:18:22 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15925815/deborahs-brother-leaves-with-detectives
comments........
sh3d3vilinme
34 mins ago
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I just heard from the homeowner where Megan Wright was/is staying with the other 7 people that she had been verbally evicted from her residence some where on N Brighton and from there she was staying at the Irwins place and her vehicle was at one point there but broke down.

I'm sorry. I'm really trying to keep everything straight in this case, but it's all so confusing. What does this mean: that Megan Wright was at one point staying a the Irwin's place? Meaning, a rental? Or with the Irwim family? Thanks in advance for helping me clarify this in my mind.
I do not know,just assumed their home.Maybe we'll get more info.  ::HelloKitty::

Okay, thanks. I hope we do hear more. It's very interesting.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 03:19:17 PM
http://shadplay.blogspot.com/2011/11/lisairwin-breaking-john-picerno-to.html?spref=tw
Tuesday, November 1, 2011
#LisaIrwin #BREAKING -#Mafia Moves In - John Picerno To Represent Irwin Family.
JHoltFox4KC Breaking: John Picerno confirms to me he will represent family of missing Baby #LisaIrwin. Selected by NY firm led by Joseph Tacopina.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: wildmala on November 01, 2011, 03:20:12 PM
I dont think the Jersey guy had anything to do with Lisa coming up missing.  I think just maybe Debra was into taking alot more then anxiety med's, I have kinda come to my way of undersanding that the reason Debra had Megans, number had more to do with that she has probably had it for awhile and it was given to her several weeks earlier as a way to contact Jersey  when she wanted to buy a few pills, something else to help her get "high" and since she was drinking and partyin that night, she probably called that number to see if she could get ahold of Jersey so she could get a few pill, probably wasnt even aware that he and Megan had broken up,I mean really...if you think about it that makes more sense then anything else............The phone call was suposingly made around 8:00.....8:30pm....thats about what time the drinking and hanging out on the front stoops had just started and she wanted to get her buzz on and knew that this guy could get her a few pills so to me thats why she called him!.This Jersey guy IMO had no interest in a baby, he could barely keep himself going from day to day, I know the type, they live life free, do small illegal things, make a few dollars here and there, drink, take a few pills and live on...they are harmless, thats probably the only roll he and Megan have in this investigation..............In my way of thinking they are probably involved only because the Jersey guy knew Debra from being around the neighborhood, and he was also and ex of Megans and gave out her number to Debbie as a way to contact him should she need a couple pills........ To me thats the end of their invilvement......we will probably not find out anything about what happened to baby Lisa from this new news!!!.........IMO whatever happened to baby Lisa happened after the neighbor went home an Debra went back inside drunk and high as a kite and the bad happened and the cover up began!!!!!

 ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::  I think you might be right on the nose with this theory!

YES!!!  I think you are spot on with this!!!  AND this scenario would definitely cause 'deception' to turn up on the poly of DB.  This is something she was likely hiding from her husband. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on November 01, 2011, 03:21:18 PM
I don't know what exactly happened here to baby Lisa, but I do know what a parent who is innocently missing a child looks and behaves like. Beth and Dave Holloway qualify........ these two parents don't.

Victim parents search instead of Trick or Treating. Victim parents self blame even when there is no blame on them. Beth earnestly expressed regret that Natalie's international cell phone options weren't activated, while Baby Lisa's Mom argues that being drunk while the children were in her care, had nothing to do with the baby missing.

Victim parents are eager to do any and everything to get to the truth........... they don't lie and change their own version.

Lisa's parents are involved with this on some level......... JMO.



Excellent post.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on November 01, 2011, 03:39:49 PM
http://shadplay.blogspot.com/2011/11/lisairwin-breaking-john-picerno-to.html?spref=tw
Tuesday, November 1, 2011
#LisaIrwin #BREAKING -#Mafia Moves In - John Picerno To Represent Irwin Family.
JHoltFox4KC Breaking: John Picerno confirms to me he will represent family of missing Baby #LisaIrwin. Selected by NY firm led by Joseph Tacopina.


Ok, why do they need 2(?) attorneys?
 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 01, 2011, 03:45:50 PM
http://shadplay.blogspot.com/2011/11/lisairwin-breaking-john-picerno-to.html?spref=tw
Tuesday, November 1, 2011
#LisaIrwin #BREAKING -#Mafia Moves In - John Picerno To Represent Irwin Family.
JHoltFox4KC Breaking: John Picerno confirms to me he will represent family of missing Baby #LisaIrwin. Selected by NY firm led by Joseph Tacopina.


Ok, why do they need 2(?) attorneys?
 ::MonkeyTongue::
maybe because ole Taco head really isnt licensed to practice law in Mi.....lol.....and he pcked this guy out for them because he is gonna work behind the scenes with him..lol


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 03:51:09 PM
CaseSignal Case Signal (BeanE)
RT @jimspellmancnn: New #babylisa interview with megan wright tune in to @VinniePolitan on @HLNTV shortly! #lisairwin
1 minute ago http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on November 01, 2011, 03:51:43 PM
Good afternoon

Heard HLN's will be covering the Lisa Irwin case at 4pm today.

Hope they are not preempted with all the CM stuff.

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 03:59:38 PM
JHoltFox4KC John Holt
@
@Rangeeni Local counsel pretty typical when out of state firm handles. This should be it...for now. #LisaIrwin
1 minute ago
John Holt
JHoltFox4KC John Holt
@
@Qaudrille Picerno solid attorney. Don't look for much media Short-style. #LisaIrwin
1 minute ago http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: flutter1 on November 01, 2011, 04:01:52 PM
Did DB last see Lisa at 6:30 or 10:30.
Did the cell call come in at 8:30 or 2:30
Did DB drink five glasses or wine or 10.

The only consistent fact in this story is the inconsistency.  The truth doesn't vary.  Where is LISA!

 ::monkeydenied::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 04:14:34 PM
Vinnie on HLN said the dumpster where the fire was reported has been hauled away by the law enforcement.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 04:15:43 PM
HLN link.
http://www.rentadrone.tv/hln-live-stream-feed/


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 01, 2011, 04:17:57 PM
Vinnie on HLN said the dumpster where the fire was reported has been hauled away by the law enforcement.
omg....wonder if he meant just now or earlier when they first investigated it......I wish they would just hurry up and find poor baby Lisa and find the truth about what happened....I Pray this doesnt end up like the HaLeigh case with no one ever knowing where this baby is, it seems to me that if a baby was burned in this dumpster then that would be a distinctive smell and the people around the area would have noticed that!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: stayhomemommy on November 01, 2011, 04:20:12 PM
Vinnie on HLN said the dumpster where the fire was reported has been hauled away by the law enforcement.
omg....wonder if he meant just now or earlier when they first investigated it......I wish they would just hurry up and find poor baby Lisa and find the truth about what happened....I Pray this doesnt end up like the HaLeigh case with no one ever knowing where this baby is, it seems to me that if a baby was burned in this dumpster then that would be a distinctive smell and the people around the area would have noticed that!

I was wondering the same thing! Surely they hauled it off before now? Right? Gosh, I really hope so!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 04:25:34 PM
Megan Wright says Jersey is a fire bug...

Neighbor says she saw MW in the neighborhood several time.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on November 01, 2011, 04:26:41 PM
not sure when this vid was done,but im guessing in the last 36hrs,as its about MW
@1:12,betsy is in front of irwin home,does anyone know whose car that is in the
driveway
http://www.kctv5.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6405542

about the dumpster,the CO. would have to get it for LE,bc of the way the dumpster
is made,to be hauled,by the CO. truck,and the  dump CO. may have hauled it away
bc of the fire in it,it would need to be repainted ect.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 04:31:40 PM
Mary Hart says the last time she say Jersey he had a white tshirt on and his head was shaved completely bald.

She could not see dumpster fire from her home.

Question is what was burned in the dumpster......


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 04:32:38 PM
RandomFlyer K
Gee, both neighbors allowed full searches of their homes,DB&JI limited them to #BabyLisa 's room until they got warrant? #LisaIrwin Odd??
6 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on November 01, 2011, 04:35:05 PM
Apologies if this was posted already, regarding John S. Tanko aka "Jersey" (these are the charges from when LE recently located him)

11CY-CR03875 - ST V JOHN S TANKO

TANKO , JOHN S , Defendant          
3718 N LISTER
KANSAS CITY, MO 64116

Year of Birth: 1969


Hearing Scheduled
Scheduled For: 11/15/2011;  9:00 AM ;  JANET SUTTON;  Clay County
Hearing Continued/Rescheduled
PD Determination. JS/lla

Description:    Tampering With Motor Vehicle - 1st Degree { Felony C RSMo: 569.080 }
Date:    10/13/2011    
Code:    2301300       
OCN:    F7030850    
Arresting Agency:    KANSAS CITY PD

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name  (https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on November 01, 2011, 04:40:54 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15925815/deborahs-brother-leaves-with-detectives
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I just heard from the homeowner where Megan Wright was/is staying with the other 7 people that she had been verbally evicted from her residence some where on N Brighton and from there she was staying at the Irwins place and her vehicle was at one point there but broke down.

I guess we gotta take the comments with a grain of salt, specially if the nickname of the person spells "she devil in me."  ::MonkeyDevil::

But, like someone said before, the rumors are turning to be facts in this case, so maybe we will read it on the local news today or tomorrow?

If it's true... why has Megan said that she doesn't know Deborah or Jeremy and never saw Lisa?

Why didn't she mention this in any of the interviews she's been on?

One of the other comments say her car was parked at the Irwins because it was in disrepair for a while.

This is one of the reasons why I'm so incredulous about the stories going on, cause they are so many, and coming from everywhere.

Still, hopefully the police had better luck with Deborah's brother today.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on November 01, 2011, 04:40:56 PM
Mary Hurt-neighbor on HLN said

Jersey had shaved his head, she saw and talked to him around 1-2pm when he was at the Watson house on Oct 3rd.
.
She also said Jersey was about 5'8 or taller.

Mary noted at around 9pm sprinkler at Watson's was still on and in same place and around 11pm it was off, she assumes Jersey turned it off since he is the 1 that the Watson's had working with sprinkler.

Jim Spellman said John "Jersey" Tanko appeared in court today on unrelated charges.

The map that Vinnie had on and the arrows pointing to the direction of sitings, Megan W (per Jim Spellman) said that she and Jersey took that route before.

OS









Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 04:42:54 PM
Vinnie on HLN said the dumpster where the fire was reported has been hauled away by the law enforcement.
omg....wonder if he meant just now or earlier when they first investigated it......I wish they would just hurry up and find poor baby Lisa and find the truth about what happened....I Pray this doesnt end up like the HaLeigh case with no one ever knowing where this baby is, it seems to me that if a baby was burned in this dumpster then that would be a distinctive smell and the people around the area would have noticed that!

I was wondering the same thing! Surely they hauled it off before now? Right? Gosh, I really hope so!
Earlier.  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on November 01, 2011, 04:44:48 PM
Personally LE interviewing Phillip today is the biggest news. Hope something comes of it.

Now waiting for DB and JI to talk to LE and allow the boys to be interviewed.
Won't hold my breath though..grrrr..

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 04:46:25 PM
Vinnie on HLN said the dumpster where the fire was reported has been hauled away by the law enforcement.
omg....wonder if he meant just now or earlier when they first investigated it......I wish they would just hurry up and find poor baby Lisa and find the truth about what happened....I Pray this doesnt end up like the HaLeigh case with no one ever knowing where this baby is, it seems to me that if a baby was burned in this dumpster then that would be a distinctive smell and the people around the area would have noticed that!

I was wondering the same thing! Surely they hauled it off before now? Right? Gosh, I really hope so!
Earlier.  ::rhino::
I could have heard wrong though cause it was kinda confusing.Gonna wait and get a definite update on that.  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 01, 2011, 04:48:45 PM
still dont think 'jersey' had anything to do with baby Lisa being gone.....I just think he is being looked at because of his being who he is an its all coming down on him, seems he has been in the neighborhood for some time now and as far as I can see hasnt really caused any trouble,why now? he should know the kids in the neighborhood, when someone s home and when their not, taking care of an elderly couples home and could probably rob them blind if he wanted to but he hasnt,thats the reason I dont think he is in any way responsible for what happened to baby Lisa.......I just dont. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on November 01, 2011, 05:17:01 PM
Vinnie on HLN said the dumpster where the fire was reported has been hauled away by the law enforcement.
omg....wonder if he meant just now or earlier when they first investigated it......I wish they would just hurry up and find poor baby Lisa and find the truth about what happened....I Pray this doesnt end up like the HaLeigh case with no one ever knowing where this baby is, it seems to me that if a baby was burned in this dumpster then that would be a distinctive smell and the people around the area would have noticed that!

I hope it was when the first investigated, cause it's been almost 4 weeks and anything of value may have been destroyed.

Sometimes the waste management people replace them, they take one out and later another truck delivers a new one.

Also, if they leak, any small traces of evidence is flushed out or mixed in with the garbage juice, specially if it has rained.



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 05:24:00 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15927416/tacopina-announces-new-local-counsel-in-baby-lisa-case
Tacopina announces new local counsel in baby Lisa case
Posted: Nov 01, 2011 2:57 PM CDT Updated: Nov 01, 2011 3:05 PM CDT
By DeAnn Smith, Digital Content Manager - email

 
KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

Tacopina announces new local counsel in baby Lisa case

New York attorney Joe Tacopina announced Tuesday that a Kansas City attorney will now serve as local counsel for Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, whose daughter was reported missing four weeks ago.

The following is the statement from Tacopina in its entirety:

"Please note that Kansas City Attorney John Picerno will be joining the team of attorneys representing Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin in their quest to bring home their baby girl, Lisa.

Neither Mr. Picerno nor I will be fielding any further press inquiries at this time. There will also be no further comments made to the media by either the attorneys, the investigators, or the family. That would include no other "media house tours" or "press conferences". This standing position may change at any moment as developments occur.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on November 01, 2011, 05:24:39 PM
still dont think 'jersey' had anything to do with baby Lisa being gone.....I just think he is being looked at because of his being who he is an its all coming down on him, seems he has been in the neighborhood for some time now and as far as I can see hasnt really caused any trouble,why now? he should know the kids in the neighborhood, when someone s home and when their not, taking care of an elderly couples home and could probably rob them blind if he wanted to but he hasnt,thats the reason I dont think he is in any way responsible for what happened to baby Lisa.......I just dont. 

I don't think he had anything to do with it, too. Problem being that if the case goes to trial, Jersey will be the new Kronk.

Jersey = reasonable doubt

 ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on November 01, 2011, 05:30:28 PM
RandomFlyer K
Gee, both neighbors allowed full searches of their homes,DB&JI limited them to #BabyLisa 's room until they got warrant? #LisaIrwin Odd??
6 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)

That sure says a lot to me!  Parents required a warrant!! 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on November 01, 2011, 05:31:35 PM
How much did ABC pay for those images and video??

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::



Probably a bunch;    Everything seems so staged, in my view.  It is beyond normalcy.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on November 01, 2011, 05:37:17 PM
still dont think 'jersey' had anything to do with baby Lisa being gone.....I just think he is being looked at because of his being who he is an its all coming down on him, seems he has been in the neighborhood for some time now and as far as I can see hasnt really caused any trouble,why now? he should know the kids in the neighborhood, when someone s home and when their not, taking care of an elderly couples home and could probably rob them blind if he wanted to but he hasnt,thats the reason I dont think he is in any way responsible for what happened to baby Lisa.......I just dont. 
I think I kind of agree with you on this.  If in fact when JI worked his first overnight shift.  Someone stalking them wouldn't not know he was going to be gone overnight unless someone told them.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on November 01, 2011, 05:39:05 PM
http://shadplay.blogspot.com/2011/11/lisairwin-breaking-john-picerno-to.html?spref=tw
Tuesday, November 1, 2011
#LisaIrwin #BREAKING -#Mafia Moves In - John Picerno To Represent Irwin Family.
JHoltFox4KC Breaking: John Picerno confirms to me he will represent family of missing Baby #LisaIrwin. Selected by NY firm led by Joseph Tacopina.


Ok, why do they need 2(?) attorneys?
 ::MonkeyTongue::

LOL --- one per person?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on November 01, 2011, 05:47:23 PM
http://www.johnpicerno.com/topics/caseresults.html (http://www.johnpicerno.com/topics/caseresults.html)

John Anthony Picerno

Case Results

John Anthony Picerno has been defending the rights of those accused of crimes in Missouri since 1993, and during that time, he has fought his way through several criminal jury trials.  Attorney Picerno got his first experience in the court room while working for The Special Public Defenders Office in Jackson County, Missouri.  The types of cases he has handled both with the public defender and in private practice include charges of homicide, drug crimes, domestic violence, dui, traffic law, white collar crimes, sexual assault, juvenile crimes, probation violations, and many other offenses.

Below is a look at some of the results achieved by John Anthony Picerno.  If you have been accused of a crime, contact his office today for a consultation.
NOT GUILTY VERDICTS
- Lead Attorney
NOT GUILTY - Murder 2, ACA - youngest person ever to stand trial as adult (14) in Jackson Co., MO
NOT GUILTY - Murder 2, Robbery 1, ACA (2 Cts)
NOT GUILTY - Assault 1, ACA
NOT GUILTY - Possession of Controlled Substance (prior\persistent offender)
NOT GUILTY - Burglary 1
NOT GUILTY - Robbery 1 (2 Cts), ACA (2 Cts), Tampering 1
NOT GUILTY - Robbery 1st, Assault 1st, ACA (2 Cts)
NOT GUILTY - Assault on a law enforcement officer
NOT GUILTY VERDICTS
- Co Counsel NOT GUILTY - Murder 2, Robbery 1, ACA (2 Cts)
NOT GUILTY - Rape (3 Cts), Sodomy (4 Cts), Robbery 1, Burglary 1, ACA (8 Cts) First DNA Jury Trial -
                          Jackson Co., MO

GREAT RESULTS
- Jury Trial - Lead Attorney

    Murder 1 - convicted of Murder 2
    Murder 2 - convicted of voluntary manslaughter
    Murder 2 - Hung Jury
    Murder 2, Robbery 1, ACA (2 Cts) - Hung Jury
    Felony Murder, Assault 1 (2 Cts), ACA (2 Cts), Attempted Robbery 1 - Not Guilty of Assaults and ACA's, Hung Jury, Defendant pled to CCW 1 yr concurrent with parole revocation
    Assault 1 (2 Cts), ACA (2 Cts) - Defendant plead during jury deliberations, 10 yrs suspended with 120 days of shock time
    Trafficking Drugs 2 - Hung Jury, Prosecutor Dismissed Charge
    Robbery 1 (2 Cts), ACA (2 Cts) - Hung Jury, Defendant pled to probation
    Robbery 1 - Hung Jury, Defendant received 12 yr suspended sentence Robbery 2, 120 days Shock time and probation
    Tampering 1 - Dismissed after Jury selection


OTHER GREAT RESULTS

    Murder 1 (2 Cts), ACA (2 Cts) - Defendant found guilty at 1st trial, appealed and conviction set aside, pled to 15 yrs concurrent on all charges just prior to retrial, First time state's immunity law used in a criminal case
    Murder 1 - Dismissed day of Prelimiary Hearing
    Sodomy (4 Cts) - Dismissed day of Trial




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on November 01, 2011, 05:48:12 PM
I have been following this off and on and sorry if this has been answered already. 

Do we know the name of who DB was drinking with? 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on November 01, 2011, 05:51:02 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29647602/detail.html
Brothers Of Missing Baby Go Trick-Or-Treating
ABC Cameras Follow Lisa Irwin's Brothers On Halloween

POSTED: 8:03 am CDT November 1, 2011

(http://www.kmbc.com/2011/1101/29647604_640X480.jpg)
Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29647602/detail.html#ixzz1cSalhojm

I knew it! The minute it was reported that Stanton was back and taking them away, I said they would be on TV in the next 4 days, I was off by a few hours.  With that idiot and scumbag taco joe back in the picture it could only mean money from the press.  These people are despicable and the entire extended family should be jailed for life right next to the Anthonys...those who aren't on death row, that is. 

Since that appears to be someone's residence, could it be Aunt Cindy's in Raytown?  And who is that in the background in front of the tv?


It looks like Casey.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 05:55:14 PM
Ha Ha LMAO Yoder1!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on November 01, 2011, 06:03:29 PM
Ha Ha LMAO Yoder1!

i thought KC too,on 1st look,maybe it was KC who put up the 100k reward
naw KC is cheap  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on November 01, 2011, 06:04:28 PM
I have been following this off and on and sorry if this has been answered already. 

Do we know the name of who DB was drinking with? 

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=597638221&sk=wall

Samantha Brando

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on November 01, 2011, 06:08:12 PM
I have been following this off and on and sorry if this has been answered already. 

Do we know the name of who DB was drinking with? 

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=597638221&sk=wall

Samantha Brando

OS
Thank you!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on November 01, 2011, 06:15:40 PM
HLN's showing pick of John (Jersey) Tanko in court today

White with bald head. Looks thinnish, not very tall, shorter than men and women that he walked by.

OS





Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Kermit on November 01, 2011, 06:16:00 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29647602/detail.html
Brothers Of Missing Baby Go Trick-Or-Treating
ABC Cameras Follow Lisa Irwin's Brothers On Halloween

POSTED: 8:03 am CDT November 1, 2011

(http://www.kmbc.com/2011/1101/29647604_640X480.jpg)
Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29647602/detail.html#ixzz1cSalhojm

I knew it! The minute it was reported that Stanton was back and taking them away, I said they would be on TV in the next 4 days, I was off by a few hours.  With that idiot and scumbag taco joe back in the picture it could only mean money from the press.  These people are despicable and the entire extended family should be jailed for life right next to the Anthonys...those who aren't on death row, that is. 

Since that appears to be someone's residence, could it be Aunt Cindy's in Raytown?  And who is that in the background in front of the tv?


It looks like Casey.

this seals it for me - THEY DID IT! THEY MURDERED THEIR OWN BABY AND ARE COVERING IT UP.

ARREST EM ALL!!!!!

NO ONE in their right mind would go out trick n' treating if they just had someone break into their home and kidnap their own child. ONLY A MONSTER would have no feelings about the loss of their baby.

MONSTERS ALL OF EM!!!!



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on November 01, 2011, 06:16:06 PM
I have been following this off and on and sorry if this has been answered already. 

Do we know the name of who DB was drinking with? 

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=597638221&sk=wall

Samantha Brando

OS
Thank you!

Your welcome

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 06:16:52 PM
HLN's showing pick of John (Jersey) Tanko in court today

White with bald head. Looks thinnish, not very tall, shorter than men and women that he walked by.

OS




::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on November 01, 2011, 06:18:50 PM
HLN Vinnie P.-video of Jersey in court today. Totally bald.

Just a thought.

If he had Lisa and was trying to creep out of the neighborhood, sneak through yards, exit from gate, up to dumpster, starts fire, then head on through path indicated in Vinnie's graphic, Jersey could have been sorta of crouching, carefully concealing Lisa, then the farther he walked, (he had no car) he could have been standing up straighter. Either because he was more comfortable with baby in his arms are feeling more secure as he slipped away from the neighborhood.

The closer, neighborhood witnesses said he was maybe 5' 8" tall. Maybe the further down witness saw him as taller because he was not hunched over.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on November 01, 2011, 06:19:11 PM
http://gma.yahoo.com/video/news-26797925/missing-baby-lisa-behind-the-scenes-drama-hurting-case-27122332.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fnews-26797925%252Fmissing-baby-lisa-behind-the-scenes-drama-hurting-case-27122332.html

Irwin's trick or treating last night.
They didn't mind parading their boys around for the camera,huh?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Unbelievable.   Shades of Anthony lack of good taste.  It's just stupid!
I can understand trying to keep life somewhat normal for the little boys but a family member or friend could have taken them out trick or treating and not with a camera crew following them around. 
This case is like the Anthony case but I hope that when and if it goes to trial that the jurors are more intelligent and are not bribed.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on November 01, 2011, 06:25:58 PM
HLN Vinnie P.-video of Jersey in court today. Totally bald.

Just a thought.

If he had Lisa and was trying to creep out of the neighborhood, sneak through yards, exit from gate, up to dumpster, starts fire, then head on through path indicated in Vinnie's graphic, Jersey could have been sorta of crouching, carefully concealing Lisa, then the farther he walked, (he had no car) he could have been standing up straighter. Either because he was more comfortable with baby in his arms are feeling more secure as he slipped away from the neighborhood.

The closer, neighborhood witnesses said he was maybe 5' 8" tall. Maybe the further down witness saw him as taller because he was not hunched over.



HLN: Megan says Jersey is 5' 8". Witness who gave explained description of how man held baby, says the man was 5' 8"


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 06:26:52 PM
John S Tanko appears to be 5'6" from his mugshot IMO.  

Here is some info from another site by a local poster in regards to the 2 John Tanko's aka Jerseys...just so you guys don't think I'm always off my rocker.

snipped from Poster Riverselah;http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59085&page=10

The black Jersey is cleared, he has an iron clad alibi compliments of the federal government. He is sitting in the federal detention under his REAL name, his Tanko Alias not withstanding.

The white jersey is not a suspect, he's not cleared- nor is anyone in this case per LE. Unfortunately, I can't comment on the white Jersey. Public info on him: Tanko- the white one- is in Clay County Detention, held on a parole warrant with no bond and stealing a motor vehicle with a bond of with 10K cash only. His warrant from Parole was entered on 10-08-11 for being an absconder from KCCRC. He is also being held on something else which is not going to show up in Casenet and has nothing to do with this case.

He has nada to do with Baby Lisa and even JVM stated he isn't a suspect- regarding the white Jersey.

Thus, neither Jersey is involved with this case. However, I totally understand if anyone thinks he's a viable suspect.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on November 01, 2011, 06:29:00 PM
HLN Vinnie P.-video of Jersey in court today. Totally bald.

Just a thought.

If he had Lisa and was trying to creep out of the neighborhood, sneak through yards, exit from gate, up to dumpster, starts fire, then head on through path indicated in Vinnie's graphic, Jersey could have been sorta of crouching, carefully concealing Lisa, then the farther he walked, (he had no car) he could have been standing up straighter. Either because he was more comfortable with baby in his arms are feeling more secure as he slipped away from the neighborhood.

The closer, neighborhood witnesses said he was maybe 5' 8" tall. Maybe the further down witness saw him as taller because he was not hunched over.



HLN: Megan says Jersey is 5' 8". Witness who gave explained description of how man held baby, says the man was 5' 8"



So how does this tie in to dog getting death hit in Lisa's bedroom? Not such a stretch. Jersey could have just taken Lisa or something happened to Lisa and DB had Jersey get "rid" of the deed for her.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 01, 2011, 06:34:44 PM
John S Tanko appears to be 5'6" from his mugshot IMO.  

Here is some info from another site by a local poster in regards to the 2 John Tanko's aka Jerseys...just so you guys don't think I'm always off my rocker.

snipped from Poster Riverselah;http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59085&page=10

The black Jersey is cleared, he has an iron clad alibi compliments of the federal government. He is sitting in the federal detention under his REAL name, his Tanko Alias not withstanding.

The white jersey is not a suspect, he's not cleared- nor is anyone in this case per LE. Unfortunately, I can't comment on the white Jersey. Public info on him: Tanko- the white one- is in Clay County Detention, held on a parole warrant with no bond and stealing a motor vehicle with a bond of with 10K cash only. His warrant from Parole was entered on 10-08-11 for being an absconder from KCCRC. He is also being held on something else which is not going to show up in Casenet and has nothing to do with this case.

He has nada to do with Baby Lisa and even JVM stated he isn't a suspect- regarding the white Jersey.

Thus, neither Jersey is involved with this case. However, I totally understand if anyone thinks he's a viable suspect.

ummm  WHAT??????  lol....but yea, I dont think "Jersey is guilty of anything but being in the neighborhood and having a less then desirable background...other then that, he didnt do anything to baby Lisa!!!imo


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on November 01, 2011, 06:35:09 PM
HLN Vinnie P.-video of Jersey in court today. Totally bald.

Just a thought.

If he had Lisa and was trying to creep out of the neighborhood, sneak through yards, exit from gate, up to dumpster, starts fire, then head on through path indicated in Vinnie's graphic, Jersey could have been sorta of crouching, carefully concealing Lisa, then the farther he walked, (he had no car) he could have been standing up straighter. Either because he was more comfortable with baby in his arms are feeling more secure as he slipped away from the neighborhood.

The closer, neighborhood witnesses said he was maybe 5' 8" tall. Maybe the further down witness saw him as taller because he was not hunched over.



HLN: Megan says Jersey is 5' 8". Witness who gave explained description of how man held baby, says the man was 5' 8"



So how does this tie in to dog getting death hit in DB's bedroom? Not such a stretch. Jersey could have just taken Lisa or something happened to Lisa and DB had Jersey get "rid" of the deed for her.

edited to read: DB's bedroom.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on November 01, 2011, 06:43:53 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29647602/detail.html
Brothers Of Missing Baby Go Trick-Or-Treating
ABC Cameras Follow Lisa Irwin's Brothers On Halloween

POSTED: 8:03 am CDT November 1, 2011

(http://www.kmbc.com/2011/1101/29647604_640X480.jpg)
Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29647602/detail.html#ixzz1cSalhojm

I knew it! The minute it was reported that Stanton was back and taking them away, I said they would be on TV in the next 4 days, I was off by a few hours.  With that idiot and scumbag taco joe back in the picture it could only mean money from the press.  These people are despicable and the entire extended family should be jailed for life right next to the Anthonys...those who aren't on death row, that is. 

Since that appears to be someone's residence, could it be Aunt Cindy's in Raytown?  And who is that in the background in front of the tv?


It looks like Casey.
::MonkeyJnBox:: And why not, Casey could be their "how to get away with murdering a baby" consultant.  DB and JI learned how to rake in the $$ quicker than the Anthony clan though. I can't decide who is more disgusting Baby Lisa's family, the attorneys or the news organizations who pay for this.  And I have a feeling it's only going to get worse since we are now into the November sweeps period, prime example of that is the new Kara Kopetsky "news investigation". 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: alagary on November 01, 2011, 06:49:41 PM
Right Yuknowmenot, there are new rules now for after your child goes missing;
Step 1; concoct alibis
Step 2; Get T-shirts printed


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Yoder1 on November 01, 2011, 06:50:19 PM
John S Tanko appears to be 5'6" from his mugshot IMO.  

Here is some info from another site by a local poster in regards to the 2 John Tanko's aka Jerseys...just so you guys don't think I'm always off my rocker.

snipped from Poster Riverselah;http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59085&page=10

The black Jersey is cleared, he has an iron clad alibi compliments of the federal government. He is sitting in the federal detention under his REAL name, his Tanko Alias not withstanding.

The white jersey is not a suspect, he's not cleared- nor is anyone in this case per LE. Unfortunately, I can't comment on the white Jersey. Public info on him: Tanko- the white one- is in Clay County Detention, held on a parole warrant with no bond and stealing a motor vehicle with a bond of with 10K cash only. His warrant from Parole was entered on 10-08-11 for being an absconder from KCCRC. He is also being held on something else which is not going to show up in Casenet and has nothing to do with this case.

He has nada to do with Baby Lisa and even JVM stated he isn't a suspect- regarding the white Jersey.

Thus, neither Jersey is involved with this case. However, I totally understand if anyone thinks he's a viable suspect.

ummm  WHAT??????  lol....but yea, I dont think "Jersey is guilty of anything but being in the neighborhood and having a less then desirable background...other then that, he didnt do anything to baby Lisa!!!imo



Nothing went on in that neighborhood that Jersey didn't know about. He was very active that particular night. Bet he knows everything that happened.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 06:53:15 PM
Lisa Irwin: Prime News 11/1/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK91LdOmE40&feature=channel_video_title


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Miss Lacey on November 01, 2011, 06:55:50 PM
Right Yuknowmenot, there are new rules now for after your child goes missing;
Step 1; concoct alibis
Step 2; Get T-shirts printed

And don't forget:

Step 3: Get your hair done.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 07:03:19 PM
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/11/comparing-susan-smith-to-deborah.html
Tuesday, November 01, 2011
Comparing Susan Smith to Deborah Bradley


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 07:06:10 PM
http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/new-lawyer-lisa-irwin-case-not-good-news-kc-police/
New lawyer in Lisa Irwin case not good news for KC police
Barb Shelly
2 hours, 54 minutes ago
Last week, a Kansas City Star reporter asked defense lawyer John Picerno for his thoughts on client interviews with police.

“My own view is that my clients should never talk to police,” Picerno told reporter Mark Morris, for a story that was published Saturday. “I tell them, ‘The prisons are full of people who talked to the police. The police are going to do what they are going to do, with or without your cooperation and your statement.”

Today, New York lawyer Joe Tacopina announced that Picerno would be his new partner in the high-profile case involving missing baby Lisa Irwin. Police have said they aren’t happy with the cooperation they’ve received from Lisa’s parents, Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley. They say they need the parents to consent to separate interviews. Based on what Picerno told The Star, that seems unlikely. In fact, my guess is that Picerno’s frank dislike of police interviews helped him get the job.

Read more: http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/new-lawyer-lisa-irwin-case-not-good-news-kc-police/#ixzz1cUuyymNS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 01, 2011, 07:06:15 PM
Right Yuknowmenot, there are new rules now for after your child goes missing;
Step 1; concoct alibis
Step 2; Get T-shirts printed

And don't forget:

Step 3: Get your hair done.
and   Step 4: always keep the spotlight on you!!!!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 01, 2011, 07:11:26 PM
John S Tanko appears to be 5'6" from his mugshot IMO.  

Here is some info from another site by a local poster in regards to the 2 John Tanko's aka Jerseys...just so you guys don't think I'm always off my rocker.

snipped from Poster Riverselah;http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59085&page=10

The black Jersey is cleared, he has an iron clad alibi compliments of the federal government. He is sitting in the federal detention under his REAL name, his Tanko Alias not withstanding.

The white jersey is not a suspect, he's not cleared- nor is anyone in this case per LE. Unfortunately, I can't comment on the white Jersey. Public info on him: Tanko- the white one- is in Clay County Detention, held on a parole warrant with no bond and stealing a motor vehicle with a bond of with 10K cash only. His warrant from Parole was entered on 10-08-11 for being an absconder from KCCRC. He is also being held on something else which is not going to show up in Casenet and has nothing to do with this case.

He has nada to do with Baby Lisa and even JVM stated he isn't a suspect- regarding the white Jersey.

Thus, neither Jersey is involved with this case. However, I totally understand if anyone thinks he's a viable suspect.

ummm  WHAT??????  lol....but yea, I dont think "Jersey is guilty of anything but being in the neighborhood and having a less then desirable background...other then that, he didnt do anything to baby Lisa!!!imo



Nothing went on in that neighborhood that Jersey didn't know about. He was very active that particular night. Bet he knows everything that happened.
Dont believe that for one second, he might have been active that night but how do we know this isnt completely normal for him, we dont, because this is the night that is being talked about, neighbors were use to seeing him out and about, so use to it in fact the Lady that was interviewed even stopped and chatted with him,they were not worried about him or suspitious about him being around, they dont seem like he worried them so..........dont think he had anything to do with baby Lisa or what happened!!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 07:53:38 PM
Lisa Irwin: Issues 11/1/11
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/k4a1JmisIvQ


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 08:00:19 PM
neighbor opinions of him must be differing from what I've read;

"http://global.christianpost.com/news/baby-lisa-irwin-missing-neighbor-says-handyman-shady-60012/
snipped;
“Our neighbor told us that the night that baby went missing, the man who was seen coming up the street came and went on our property and through our next door neighbor’s gate,” Hurt told CNN’s Nancy Grace, in reference to Jersey, a handyman in the Irwin’s residential neighborhood.

Hurt described Jersey as “shady.”


http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/%22jersey,%22-man-sought-for-questioning-in-lisa-irwin-case,-in-police-custody
snipped;
 The neighbor, who didn't want to be identified, has lived in the neighborhood for 40 years and says he knows all of its residents. He said he is sure that "Jersey" does not live close by and was suspicious of him even before Lisa disappeared.






Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on November 01, 2011, 08:02:48 PM
still dont think 'jersey' had anything to do with baby Lisa being gone.....I just think he is being looked at because of his being who he is an its all coming down on him, seems he has been in the neighborhood for some time now and as far as I can see hasnt really caused any trouble,why now? he should know the kids in the neighborhood, when someone s home and when their not, taking care of an elderly couples home and could probably rob them blind if he wanted to but he hasnt,thats the reason I dont think he is in any way responsible for what happened to baby Lisa.......I just dont. 

I don't think he had anything to do with it, too. Problem being that if the case goes to trial, Jersey will be the new Kronk.

Jersey = reasonable doubt

 ::MonkeyEek::


I can already smell the defense at work here, this is setting up quite nice for Taco head don't cha' think? lots of reasonable doubt flying around......ugh WHERE IS BABY LISA?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 01, 2011, 08:02:56 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/heycameraman (http://twitter.com/#!/heycameraman)

CaseSignal Case Signal (BeanE)
by Heycameraman
Family had to move to avoid media but brought ABC in for exclusive trick or treat pics LMAO! #lisairwin > reut.rs/um7zcy (http://reut.rs/um7zcy)
2 hours ago

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/01/us-baby-missing-idUSTRE7A072A20111101
Lawyer in missing Kansas City baby case spurns media
November 1, 2011

(Reuters) - The New York attorney for the parent's of missing Kansas City infant Lisa Irwin called a halt to media interviews on Tuesday and said the baby's family had to move to a new address to avoid the press.

Joe Tacopina said neither he nor a newly-appointed co-counsel, John Picerno of Kansas City, would be commenting on Lisa's disappearance.

"This standing position may change at any moment as developments occur," Tacopina said in a statement issued to the media through a relative of the baby.

Tacopina said the focus needs to return to finding Lisa, last seen the night of October 3 when Bradley said she put her to bed in her crib. Her father, Jeremy Irwin, said she was gone when he got home at 4 a.m the next morning.

Lisa's disappearance has generated intense media coverage, including interviews Tacopina and Lisa's parents gave on national television. Despite those appearances, Tacopina was critical of the former Kansas City-based lawyer for the couple, Cyndy Short, for calling a press conference for the local media and giving tours of the Irwin home.

Television trucks have been a mainstay outside the Irwin home and the nearby home of a relative, where the couple had been living.

"We were forced to relocate Deborah, Jeremy, and their two young sons out of a family home because members of the media (and some members of the public) continued to approach it with various requests," Tacopina stated.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Amys Sister on November 01, 2011, 08:04:07 PM
still dont think 'jersey' had anything to do with baby Lisa being gone.....I just think he is being looked at because of his being who he is an its all coming down on him, seems he has been in the neighborhood for some time now and as far as I can see hasnt really caused any trouble,why now? he should know the kids in the neighborhood, when someone s home and when their not, taking care of an elderly couples home and could probably rob them blind if he wanted to but he hasnt,thats the reason I dont think he is in any way responsible for what happened to baby Lisa.......I just dont. 

I don't think he had anything to do with it, too. Problem being that if the case goes to trial, Jersey will be the new Kronk.

Jersey = reasonable doubt

 ::MonkeyEek::



Unless Jersey had been there earlier that evening and knew Jeremy wasn't going to be home until late.  OR if DB called him for help after she realized Lisa was deceased, which would also explain the phone call on MW's phone.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 08:11:34 PM
CaseSignal Case Signal (BeanE)
RT @ProfilerPatB: I am on #NancyGrace at 8 pm est talking about missing #BabyLisa. #HLN #LisaIrwin #DeborahBradley
3 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on November 01, 2011, 08:17:56 PM
Right Yuknowmenot, there are new rules now for after your child goes missing;
Step 1; concoct alibis
Step 2; Get T-shirts printed

And don't forget:

Step 3: Get your hair done.
and   Step 4: always keep the spotlight on you!!!!!
Step 5: make an appeal to the sleaziest defense lawyer you can find, use Baez as a backup plan


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 01, 2011, 08:19:31 PM
neighbor opinions of him must be differing from what I've read;

"http://global.christianpost.com/news/baby-lisa-irwin-missing-neighbor-says-handyman-shady-60012/
snipped;
“Our neighbor told us that the night that baby went missing, the man who was seen coming up the street came and went on our property and through our next door neighbor’s gate,” Hurt told CNN’s Nancy Grace, in reference to Jersey, a handyman in the Irwin’s residential neighborhood.

Hurt described Jersey as “shady.”


http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/%22jersey,%22-man-sought-for-questioning-in-lisa-irwin-case,-in-police-custody
snipped;
 The neighbor, who didn't want to be identified, has lived in the neighborhood for 40 years and says he knows all of its residents. He said he is sure that "Jersey" does not live close by and was suspicious of him even before Lisa disappeared.





hmmm..well, they all knew him, well at least the ones that are saying they did and I dont hear them saying that they ever seen him do anything bad......just that he was "shady"????? what exactly does that mean...he didnt act like them, cause I havent heard a single one of them say they ever saw him getting into anything, the ederly couple felt well enough about him to have him come do their yard work....and continue to do it even with them being outta town, hmmm......I suspect alot of people in my nbeighborhood could be up to no good......but unless I see them or hear about them doing something bad its just my opinion......and none of them called the police and tried to get him removed from the heighborhood.....no they just stopped and chatted with him........


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on November 01, 2011, 08:19:49 PM
DON'T MISS THE DANA PRETZER SHOW AT 9PM ET TONIGHT!

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Pretzer110111.jpg)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on November 01, 2011, 08:21:17 PM
Right Yuknowmenot, there are new rules now for after your child goes missing;
Step 1; concoct alibis
Step 2; Get T-shirts printed

And don't forget:

Step 3: Get your hair done.
and   Step 4: always keep the spotlight on you!!!!!
Step 5: make an appeal to the sleaziest defense lawyer you can find, use Baez as a backup plan
Step 6: Hold a fancy dancy wedding in the front yard because that is what the child would want ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on November 01, 2011, 08:22:58 PM
Right Yuknowmenot, there are new rules now for after your child goes missing;
Step 1; concoct alibis
Step 2; Get T-shirts printed

And don't forget:

Step 3: Get your hair done.
and   Step 4: always keep the spotlight on you!!!!!
Step 5: make an appeal to the sleaziest defense lawyer you can find, use Baez as a backup plan
Step:  make sure you have the media paying you for pictures so you don't have to work!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 01, 2011, 08:23:10 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)
ProfilerPatB PAT BROWN
Bradley was HOME when a phone call was made from HER phone to a phone which had been used by Jersey. #BabyLisa #LisaIrwin #DeborahBradley
2 minutes ago


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on November 01, 2011, 08:23:35 PM
Right Yuknowmenot, there are new rules now for after your child goes missing;
Step 1; concoct alibis
Step 2; Get T-shirts printed

And don't forget:

Step 3: Get your hair done.
and   Step 4: always keep the spotlight on you!!!!!
Step 5: make an appeal to the sleaziest defense lawyer you can find, use Baez as a backup plan
Step 6:  make sure you have the media paying you for pictures so you don't have to work!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 01, 2011, 08:28:26 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15925815/missing-babys-uncle-leaves-with-detectives
Missing baby's uncle meets with detectives
November 1, 2011

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

A maternal uncle of missing baby Lisa Irwin voluntarily met Tuesday with Kansas City Police Department detectives.

Phil Netz is the brother of Debbie Bradley. He was with his sister on the afternoon of Oct. 3 when Bradley purchased a box of wine and food items at a Northland grocery store.


Bradley has said she drank enough that night to pass out drunk. Jeremy Irwin, Lisa's father, called 911 about 4 a.m. Oct. 4 to say that his daughter had been snatched from her crib by a kidnapper while he was on an electrical job and while Bradley was sleeping.

Police say they still want to re-interview Irwin and Bradley. Police last interviewed them on Oct. 8 and restrictions have been placed on all interviews since Oct. 5, authorities told KCTV5.

But on Tuesday, two members of the Kansas City, MO police department came to the home on North Walrond where the parents had been staying before leaving Friday night.

The two detectives left with Netz after half an hour inside the home. The uncle was gone about two hours. He returned about 12:45 p.m. and was dropped off by investigators.

Police have not said why they made the house visit.  When asked about the visit, they told KCTV5 this is an active investigation and they are still conducting interviews. 
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 08:33:18 PM
Right Yuknowmenot, there are new rules now for after your child goes missing;
Step 1; concoct alibis
Step 2; Get T-shirts printed

And don't forget:

Step 3: Get your hair done.
and   Step 4: always keep the spotlight on you!!!!!
Step 5: make an appeal to the sleaziest defense lawyer you can find, use Baez as a backup plan
Step 6:  make sure you have the media paying you for pictures so you don't have to work!
Step 7:  get memorial tat


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on November 01, 2011, 08:40:43 PM
Others have speculated this but do we know with certainty that JI is Baby Lisa's daddy?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: klaasend on November 01, 2011, 08:56:37 PM
DON'T MISS THE DANA PRETZER SHOW AT 9PM ET TONIGHT!

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Pretzer110111.jpg)

Click on the link below to listen now!

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: stayhomemommy on November 01, 2011, 09:12:12 PM
Others have speculated this but do we know with certainty that JI is Baby Lisa's daddy?

That's what I'm wondering, too. If he's not, I seriously doubt he knows he's not. Hope they can pull some of Lisa's DNA from something...anything...to get a full profile to check.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: monchichi on November 01, 2011, 09:21:33 PM
So JI/DB leave the home and not long after the brother is reinterviewed for 2 hrs.  I wonder if he had a disagreement with them.  Maybe he's remembered something about that night?  Changed his mind about supporting them?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on November 01, 2011, 09:27:39 PM
So JI/DB leave the home and not long after the brother is reinterviewed for 2 hrs.  I wonder if he had a disagreement with them.  Maybe he's remembered something about that night?  Changed his mind about supporting them?
I just hope they will find baby Lisa alive but it's not looking good at all!  I believe one of the parents had something to do with it. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on November 01, 2011, 09:28:47 PM
So JI/DB leave the home and not long after the brother is reinterviewed for 2 hrs.  I wonder if he had a disagreement with them.  Maybe he's remembered something about that night?  Changed his mind about supporting them?
I just hope they will find baby Lisa alive but it's not looking good at all!  I believe one of the parents had something to do with it. 
I also want to know who is paying for the high priced attorney!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 01, 2011, 09:41:11 PM
So JI/DB leave the home and not long after the brother is reinterviewed for 2 hrs.  I wonder if he had a disagreement with them.  Maybe he's remembered something about that night?  Changed his mind about supporting them?
I just hope they will find baby Lisa alive but it's not looking good at all!  I believe one of the parents had something to do with it. 
I also want to know who is paying for the high priced attorney!!

Oh Im sure he is getting his money, t.v. interviews......baby Lisa's pictures sold......publicity.....thats how he is gonna get paid........makes me sick.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on November 01, 2011, 09:47:06 PM
So JI/DB leave the home and not long after the brother is reinterviewed for 2 hrs.  I wonder if he had a disagreement with them.  Maybe he's remembered something about that night?  Changed his mind about supporting them?
I just hope they will find baby Lisa alive but it's not looking good at all!  I believe one of the parents had something to do with it. 
I also want to know who is paying for the high priced attorney!!

Oh Im sure he is getting his money, t.v. interviews......baby Lisa's pictures sold......publicity.....thats how he is gonna get paid........makes me sick.
Wendy had a good point.   I wonder when the last time baby Lisa was seen.  Was it before JI went to work that night?  Is that the reason for DB to drink?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 01, 2011, 09:59:23 PM
From video Irwin's coming back to Walrond house tomorrow, I guess we will see.
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15925815/deborahs-brother-leaves-with-detectives


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2011, 09:59:33 PM
Klaas/Mod

Please delete #757.  I messed up.

Thanks

Janet


Doing it now, Janet................ and I know you'll never ask again, right?   ::MonkeyTongue::

I promise. Cross my heart.  Never! Never! Never!

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on November 01, 2011, 10:09:12 PM
http://www.johnpicerno.com/topics/caseresults.html (http://www.johnpicerno.com/topics/caseresults.html)

John Anthony Picerno

Case Results

John Anthony Picerno has been defending the rights of those accused of crimes in Missouri since 1993, and during that time, he has fought his way through several criminal jury trials.  Attorney Picerno got his first experience in the court room while working for The Special Public Defenders Office in Jackson County, Missouri.  The types of cases he has handled both with the public defender and in private practice include charges of homicide, drug crimes, domestic violence, dui, traffic law, white collar crimes, sexual assault, juvenile crimes, probation violations, and many other offenses.

Below is a look at some of the results achieved by John Anthony Picerno.  If you have been accused of a crime, contact his office today for a consultation.
NOT GUILTY VERDICTS
- Lead Attorney
NOT GUILTY - Murder 2, ACA - youngest person ever to stand trial as adult (14) in Jackson Co., MO
NOT GUILTY - Murder 2, Robbery 1, ACA (2 Cts)
NOT GUILTY - Assault 1, ACA
NOT GUILTY - Possession of Controlled Substance (prior\persistent offender)
NOT GUILTY - Burglary 1
NOT GUILTY - Robbery 1 (2 Cts), ACA (2 Cts), Tampering 1
NOT GUILTY - Robbery 1st, Assault 1st, ACA (2 Cts)
NOT GUILTY - Assault on a law enforcement officer
NOT GUILTY VERDICTS
- Co Counsel NOT GUILTY - Murder 2, Robbery 1, ACA (2 Cts)
NOT GUILTY - Rape (3 Cts), Sodomy (4 Cts), Robbery 1, Burglary 1, ACA (8 Cts) First DNA Jury Trial -
                          Jackson Co., MO

GREAT RESULTS
- Jury Trial - Lead Attorney

    Murder 1 - convicted of Murder 2
    Murder 2 - convicted of voluntary manslaughter
    Murder 2 - Hung Jury
    Murder 2, Robbery 1, ACA (2 Cts) - Hung Jury
    Felony Murder, Assault 1 (2 Cts), ACA (2 Cts), Attempted Robbery 1 - Not Guilty of Assaults and ACA's, Hung Jury, Defendant pled to CCW 1 yr concurrent with parole revocation
    Assault 1 (2 Cts), ACA (2 Cts) - Defendant plead during jury deliberations, 10 yrs suspended with 120 days of shock time
    Trafficking Drugs 2 - Hung Jury, Prosecutor Dismissed Charge
    Robbery 1 (2 Cts), ACA (2 Cts) - Hung Jury, Defendant pled to probation
    Robbery 1 - Hung Jury, Defendant received 12 yr suspended sentence Robbery 2, 120 days Shock time and probation
    Tampering 1 - Dismissed after Jury selection


OTHER GREAT RESULTS

    Murder 1 (2 Cts), ACA (2 Cts) - Defendant found guilty at 1st trial, appealed and conviction set aside, pled to 15 yrs concurrent on all charges just prior to retrial, First time state's immunity law used in a criminal case
    Murder 1 - Dismissed day of Prelimiary Hearing
    Sodomy (4 Cts) - Dismissed day of Trial



I have to say...seeing this guy's track record makes me sick to my stomach.  How the $%&*&^ can he be proud of getting people off of rape and sodomy charges?  Hell has a special place for men willing to defend monsters.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Aurelia7 on November 01, 2011, 10:27:08 PM
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/11/comparing-susan-smith-to-deborah.html
Tuesday, November 01, 2011
Comparing Susan Smith to Deborah Bradley


This is was interesting and well written.  Thanks for sharing.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on November 01, 2011, 10:36:46 PM
http://www.kspr.com/news/local/kspr-the-uncle-of-missing-baby-lisa-irwin-voluntarily-talks-to-kansas-city-police-20111101,0,6422838.story

The Uncle of Missing Baby Lisa Irwin Voluntarily Talks to Kansas City Police
He backed up Lisa's mom's story that she was passed out drunk the night her daughter disappeared

Leigh Moody Anchor

8:19 p.m. CDT, November 1, 2011

An uncle of missing Kansas City baby Lisa Irwin voluntarily met with police for about two hours today. He's the brother of the baby's mother, Debbie Bradley.

He was with Bradley October third, the night her baby disappeared and said the mom had drank enough that night to pass out drunk, as she maintains. The family believe a kidnapper snatched the baby from her crib while the dad was working, the uncle was sleeping and the mom was passed out.

 ::snipping2::

WOW so now Phillip was at the house too.

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on November 01, 2011, 10:39:07 PM
How many freakin' people did this kidnapper walk by that night?  sheesh!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Aurelia7 on November 01, 2011, 10:45:27 PM
Others have speculated this but do we know with certainty that JI is Baby Lisa's daddy?

I think he is the father just based on her appearance. 

IMO, baby Lisa looks just like him -- especially the eyes and nose/nostrils:
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width_scaled/hash/f7/b3/Lisa%20Irwin%2010%20months%20old%20missing%20from%20Kansas%20City%20Kansas%20City%20Police%20Department_0.jpg)



O/T - I saw this pic today of Carl and Terry Probyn (Jaycee Dugard case)
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01470/parents_1470970c.jpg)

...and it reminded me of this photo:
(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2011/news/111024/deborah-bradley-300.jpg)

Startling similarities between those two pics.  I remember several monkeys speculating how "fishy" their body language is.  And it is.  Just as it is in the Probyn pic.  In the Probyn case their child was kidnapped.  As for the DB & JI, the truth remains to be seen.  But it's interesting to see two genuinely grieving parents (Probyns) not showing each other much physical support.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 01, 2011, 10:46:33 PM
How many freakin' people did this kidnapper walk by that night?  sheesh!
My thoughts exactly...good grief, come on people......this is getting to strange and crazy, no kidnapper would have felt like he could enter this home and steel a baby with this many people in the home.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: StarMonkey on November 01, 2011, 10:48:10 PM
http://www.kspr.com/news/local/kspr-the-uncle-of-missing-baby-lisa-irwin-voluntarily-talks-to-kansas-city-police-20111101,0,6422838.story

The Uncle of Missing Baby Lisa Irwin Voluntarily Talks to Kansas City Police
He backed up Lisa's mom's story that she was passed out drunk the night her daughter disappeared

Leigh Moody Anchor

8:19 p.m. CDT, November 1, 2011

An uncle of missing Kansas City baby Lisa Irwin voluntarily met with police for about two hours today. He's the brother of the baby's mother, Debbie Bradley.

He was with Bradley October third, the night her baby disappeared and said the mom had drank enough that night to pass out drunk, as she maintains. The family believe a kidnapper snatched the baby from her crib while the dad was working, the uncle was sleeping and the mom was passed out.

 ::snipping2::

WOW so now Phillip was at the house too.

OS

I wonder who else was in the house? Maybe there was a party...it does seem Megan is lying about that call too. All this can't be coincidence.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Aurelia7 on November 01, 2011, 10:50:35 PM
http://www.kspr.com/news/local/kspr-the-uncle-of-missing-baby-lisa-irwin-voluntarily-talks-to-kansas-city-police-20111101,0,6422838.story

The Uncle of Missing Baby Lisa Irwin Voluntarily Talks to Kansas City Police
He backed up Lisa's mom's story that she was passed out drunk the night her daughter disappeared

Leigh Moody Anchor

8:19 p.m. CDT, November 1, 2011

An uncle of missing Kansas City baby Lisa Irwin voluntarily met with police for about two hours today. He's the brother of the baby's mother, Debbie Bradley.

He was with Bradley October third, the night her baby disappeared and said the mom had drank enough that night to pass out drunk, as she maintains. The family believe a kidnapper snatched the baby from her crib while the dad was working, the uncle was sleeping and the mom was passed out.

 ::snipping2::

WOW so now Phillip was at the house too.

OS

Holy cow.  Why is this just NOW coming to light? 

And shame on DB for passing out with children and babies in the house.  It's one thing to drink and go to sleep, but to pass out?  Geez.  I feel sorry for those kids.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on November 01, 2011, 10:51:30 PM
Is Phillip the brother that liked to party?  Someone posted pics of him several threads back.  MAybe DB and PN had a party after JI left for work. 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2011, 11:00:57 PM
Inquiring minds want to know.

1.  Why has there never been any mention in interviews or by investigators of Debra's brother being present in the home on the night Lisa went missing?

2.  Why has neighbor Maria been so silent?  She could attest to Debra's level of intoxication when she left the Bradley/Irwin home at 10:30 PM.

3.  Did either Debra's brother and neighbor Maria actually see baby Lisa on the evening of October 3rd?

Janet

+++++


The Uncle of Missing Baby Lisa Irwin Voluntarily Talks to Kansas City Police
He backed up Lisa's mom's story that she was passed out drunk the night her daughter disappeared
8:19 p.m. CDT, November 1, 2011


An uncle of missing Kansas City baby Lisa Irwin voluntarily met with police for about two hours today. He's the brother of the baby's mother, Debbie Bradley.

He was with Bradley October third, the night her baby disappeared and said the mom had drank enough that night to pass out drunk, as she maintains. The family believe a kidnapper snatched the baby from her crib while the dad was working, the uncle was sleeping and the mom was passed out.

<snipped>

http://www.kspr.com/news/local/kspr-the-uncle-of-missing-baby-lisa-irwin-voluntarily-talks-to-kansas-city-police-20111101,0,6422838.story




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2011, 11:05:44 PM
Is there an image of Philip on this thread that someone could link me too?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: AZSunny on November 01, 2011, 11:15:54 PM
Inquiring minds want to know.

1.  Why has there never been any mention in interviews or by investigators of Debra's brother being present in the home on the night Lisa went missing?

2.  Why has neighbor Maria been so silent?  She could attest to Debra's level of intoxication when she left the Bradley/Irwin home at 10:30 PM.

3.  Did either Debra's brother and neighbor Maria actually see baby Lisa on the evening of October 3rd?

Janet

+++++


The Uncle of Missing Baby Lisa Irwin Voluntarily Talks to Kansas City Police
He backed up Lisa's mom's story that she was passed out drunk the night her daughter disappeared
8:19 p.m. CDT, November 1, 2011


An uncle of missing Kansas City baby Lisa Irwin voluntarily met with police for about two hours today. He's the brother of the baby's mother, Debbie Bradley.

He was with Bradley October third, the night her baby disappeared and said the mom had drank enough that night to pass out drunk, as she maintains. The family believe a kidnapper snatched the baby from her crib while the dad was working, the uncle was sleeping and the mom was passed out.

<snipped>

http://www.kspr.com/news/local/kspr-the-uncle-of-missing-baby-lisa-irwin-voluntarily-talks-to-kansas-city-police-20111101,0,6422838.story




Perhaps the brother was sleeping elsewhere, maybe at the neighbors?  it doesn't say where he was sleeping, only that he was sleeping.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on November 01, 2011, 11:21:54 PM
Is there an image of Philip on this thread that someone could link me too?

Thanks

Janet

Hi Janet

Here is his FB: https://www.facebook.com/phillynetz

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2011, 11:24:27 PM

Perhaps the brother was sleeping elsewhere, maybe at the neighbors?  it doesn't say where he was sleeping, only that he was sleeping.

You could be right AZSunny.  However ... the implication is that Philip was in the home at 10:30 PM when neighbor Maria left the home.  Philip affirms his sister's claim that she was inebriated.

I was wondering if Philip fit the description provided by neighbor Lisa ... the description of the 12:15 PM sighting of a many in the street carrying a baby wearing only a diaper.

Janet

+++++

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) - A maternal uncle of missing baby Lisa Irwin voluntarily met Tuesday with Kansas City Police Department detectives.

Phil Netz is the brother of Debbie Bradley. He was with his sister on the afternoon of Oct. 3 when Bradley purchased a box of wine and food items at a Northland grocery store.

Bradley has said she drank enough that night to pass out drunk. Jeremy Irwin, Lisa's father, called 911 about 4 a.m. Oct. 4 to say that his daughter had been snatched from her crib by a kidnapper while he was on an electrical job and while Bradley was sleeping.

<snipped>

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15925815/deborahs-brother-leaves-with-detectives


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2011, 11:26:29 PM
Is there an image of Philip on this thread that someone could link me too?

Thanks

Janet

Hi Janet

Here is his FB: https://www.facebook.com/phillynetz

OS

Thanks OS

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on November 01, 2011, 11:37:09 PM
Right Yuknowmenot, there are new rules now for after your child goes missing;
Step 1; concoct alibis
Step 2; Get T-shirts printed

And don't forget:

Step 3: Get your hair done.
and   Step 4: always keep the spotlight on you!!!!!
Step 5: make an appeal to the sleaziest defense lawyer you can find, use Baez as a backup plan
Step 6:  make sure you have the media paying you for pictures so you don't have to work!


Step 7 :  be open to accepting donations from every loon on the internet that has more money than sense.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on November 01, 2011, 11:43:01 PM
Is there an image of Philip on this thread that someone could link me too?

Thanks

Janet

Hi Janet

Here is his FB: https://www.facebook.com/phillynetz

OS
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/15744_1068227803126_1749000701_129914_3433052_n.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41373_1749000701_8389_n.jpg)
Hi Janet~ In the first interview with Judge Jenine DB mentioned the neighbor and her child but the way she said it "Maria" implied that she was speaking of the adult neighbor. Turns out when she said "Maria" she was saying the kids were watching a video with Maria who is the neighbors daughters name. The adult drinking with DB is actually "Samantha Brando". Her child "Maria" was watching videos with the boys that night. I thought I would clear that up because there was some confusion when DB first spoke of that night with the neighbor and the neighbors child.  ::MonkeyAngel::

This is Samantha:

(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/187544_597638221_8033498_n.jpg)


(If I mess of posting the photos, I will repost)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on November 01, 2011, 11:44:34 PM
http://fox4kc.com/2011/11/01/womans-cell-phone-confiscated-for-baby-lisa-investigation/

Video at link

Woman’s Cell Phone Confiscated for Baby Lisa Investigation

There are new developments in the search for Lisa Irwin. Megan Wright dated the man many know as “Jersey” the handyman. He worked in the Irwin family’s neighborhood.

Wright spent hours being questioned because of her phone and her ex-boyfriend John Tanko or Jersey. She says she has nothing to hide and wants to see Baby Lisa come home.

“He and I dated for approximately five months,” Wright said. “I met him when I lived down on Brighton.”

Tanko was a potential lead in the disappearance of Lisa Irwin. Their search led them to Megan Wright the first time. They they returned for her cell phone.

“Apparently a 50 second phone call came into my phone from one of the missing phones or supposedly stolen phones,” she said.

Wright told them she doesn’t know the Irwin family.

“They asked about phone call,” she said. “Primarily if I had answered my phone or who would have had access to it. If I knew what was said, the conversation that was held, anything about that particular phone call.”

Wright lives with several people who all used her phone but none of them said they knew the Irwin family either. When police gave her phone back, the call history had been erased. A few days later, the FBI asked for her phone and she signed a waiver. She hasn’t seen it since.

 ::snipping2::

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on November 01, 2011, 11:45:04 PM
Is there an image of Philip on this thread that someone could link me too?

Thanks

Janet

Hi Janet

Here is his FB: https://www.facebook.com/phillynetz

OS

Thanks OS

Janet

Your welcome

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on November 01, 2011, 11:50:09 PM
With so many details and people around, why is it that nobody knows where Lisa is?

Quote
Woman’s Cell Phone Confiscated for Baby Lisa Investigation
10:15 pm, November 1, 2011, by Eric Burke

 ::snipping2::
"Wright lives with several people who all used her phone but none of them said they knew the Irwin family either. When police gave her phone back, the call history had been erased. A few days later, the FBI asked for her phone and she signed a waiver. She hasn’t seen it since."

http://fox4kc.com/2011/11/01/womans-cell-phone-confiscated-for-baby-lisa-investigation/


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on November 01, 2011, 11:52:29 PM
http://www.kspr.com/news/local/kspr-the-uncle-of-missing-baby-lisa-irwin-voluntarily-talks-to-kansas-city-police-20111101,0,6422838.story

The Uncle of Missing Baby Lisa Irwin Voluntarily Talks to Kansas City Police
He backed up Lisa's mom's story that she was passed out drunk the night her daughter disappeared

Leigh Moody Anchor

8:19 p.m. CDT, November 1, 2011

An uncle of missing Kansas City baby Lisa Irwin voluntarily met with police for about two hours today. He's the brother of the baby's mother, Debbie Bradley.

He was with Bradley October third, the night her baby disappeared and said the mom had drank enough that night to pass out drunk, as she maintains. The family believe a kidnapper snatched the baby from her crib while the dad was working, the uncle was sleeping and the mom was passed out.

 ::snipping2::

WOW so now Phillip was at the house too.

OSh
This has gone beyond ridiculous now. Two adults in a house and a baby is stolen, right..... Did DB again with hold this information from LE?  Is this some sort of ploy by Taco boy? ::MonkeyMad::
Early on we speculated if Phillip lived there and if his friends were there too...why is this just coming out now? The truth continues to change.........
I think it is time Sargent Young makes a statement


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on November 01, 2011, 11:52:30 PM
OOps! Sorry Ospainter. We are beginning to think alike.

Weird that we both chose the same paragraph to quote.

 ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on November 01, 2011, 11:59:28 PM
While many think that being drunk to the point of passing out could be a very good defense if the case ever goes to trial, another way to think about it is being drunk to the point of being irrational and lacking good judgment.

Like a drunk driver, if a drunk driver runs over and kills someone it is still homicide.

Also, being really drunk could've made it possible for her to have lost control of anger and hurt her baby.




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 01, 2011, 11:59:36 PM
Is there an image of Philip on this thread that someone could link me too?

Thanks

Janet

Hi Janet

Here is his FB: https://www.facebook.com/phillynetz

OS
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/15744_1068227803126_1749000701_129914_3433052_n.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41373_1749000701_8389_n.jpg)
Hi Janet~ In the first interview with Judge Jenine DB mentioned the neighbor and her child but the way she said it "Maria" implied that she was speaking of the adult neighbor. Turns out when she said "Maria" she was saying the kids were watching a video with Maria who is the neighbors daughters name. The adult drinking with DB is actually "Samantha Brando". Her child "Maria" was watching videos with the boys that night. I thought I would clear that up because there was some confusion when DB first spoke of that night with the neighbor and the neighbors child.  ::MonkeyAngel::

This is Samantha:

(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/187544_597638221_8033498_n.jpg)


(If I mess of posting the photos, I will repost)

cartfly

Thank you for the images and thank you for clearing up my misunderstand regarding the neighbor's name ... the neighbor who was with Debra on the evening of October 3rd ... the neighbor who has not taken advantage of her 5 minutes of fame in the media.

Good Night All

Janet


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on November 02, 2011, 12:02:09 AM
IF Phillip was there, my guess he stayed in the basement. I did read somewhere he used Lister for his address or his name appeared at the address.

With Phillip there, there is now a car and a driver.

Can't wait to see what tomorrow brings.

One dang thing I won't believe if someone from there tries to say it and that is Phillip didn't have a cell phone or working cell phone.

Where is Lisa, time is passing.

OS

 


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on November 02, 2011, 12:07:12 AM
While many think that being drunk to the point of passing out could be a very good defense if the case ever goes to trial, another way to think about it is being drunk to the point of being irrational and lacking good judgment.

Like a drunk driver, if a drunk driver runs over and kills someone it is still homicide.

Also, being really drunk could've made it possible for her to have lost control of anger and hurt her baby.




Being drunk and passed out with 3 children in the house is child endangerment!!!!!!
They need to arrest her ass!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on November 02, 2011, 12:16:20 AM
If LE is only now learning that PN was in that home its time DB and JI face obstruction charges.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: islandmonkey on November 02, 2011, 12:29:15 AM
While many think that being drunk to the point of passing out could be a very good defense if the case ever goes to trial, another way to think about it is being drunk to the point of being irrational and lacking good judgment.

Like a drunk driver, if a drunk driver runs over and kills someone it is still homicide.

Also, being really drunk could've made it possible for her to have lost control of anger and hurt her baby.




Being drunk and passed out with 3 children in the house is child endangerment!!!!!!
They need to arrest her ass!

 ::MonkeyMad:: I am mad as hell *I know what is new*, but this is getting more absurd everyday, so the ninja kinapper just happened to come and steal a baby the night the dad happened to be moonlighting, sippy mom was passed out drunk from her grown up time and the brother was asleep??? Wow, I wish like hell I'd have known this ninja when I came home after curfew when I was growing up....do they seriously expect anyone to believe this? Then they pimp out Lisa's pics and the boys on Halloween because they are exhausted and grieving, bitch slap monkey plssssss. I am begging ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 02, 2011, 12:48:58 AM
While many think that being drunk to the point of passing out could be a very good defense if the case ever goes to trial, another way to think about it is being drunk to the point of being irrational and lacking good judgment.

Like a drunk driver, if a drunk driver runs over and kills someone it is still homicide.

Also, being really drunk could've made it possible for her to have lost control of anger and hurt her baby.




Being drunk and passed out with 3 children in the house is child endangerment!!!!!!
They need to arrest her ass!

 ::MonkeyMad:: I am mad as hell *I know what is new*, but this is getting more absurd everyday, so the ninja kinapper just happened to come and steal a baby the night the dad happened to be moonlighting, sippy mom was passed out drunk from her grown up time and the brother was asleep??? Wow, I wish like hell I'd have known this ninja when I came home after curfew when I was growing up....do they seriously expect anyone to believe this? Then they pimp out Lisa's pics and the boys on Halloween because they are exhausted and grieving, bitch slap monkey plssssss. I am begging ::MonkeyNoNo::
I know where you are coming from....Ill half the money for a trip to MI and we can make our own "bitch slap mokey"........it will look like you and I with a monkey body!!!!!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: islandmonkey on November 02, 2011, 12:57:13 AM
While many think that being drunk to the point of passing out could be a very good defense if the case ever goes to trial, another way to think about it is being drunk to the point of being irrational and lacking good judgment.

Like a drunk driver, if a drunk driver runs over and kills someone it is still homicide.

Also, being really drunk could've made it possible for her to have lost control of anger and hurt her baby.




Being drunk and passed out with 3 children in the house is child endangerment!!!!!!
They need to arrest her ass!

 ::MonkeyMad:: I am mad as hell *I know what is new*, but this is getting more absurd everyday, so the ninja kinapper just happened to come and steal a baby the night the dad happened to be moonlighting, sippy mom was passed out drunk from her grown up time and the brother was asleep??? Wow, I wish like hell I'd have known this ninja when I came home after curfew when I was growing up....do they seriously expect anyone to believe this? Then they pimp out Lisa's pics and the boys on Halloween because they are exhausted and grieving, bitch slap monkey plssssss. I am begging ::MonkeyNoNo::
I know where you are coming from....Ill half the money for a trip to MI and we can make our own "bitch slap mokey"........it will look like you and I with a monkey body!!!!!

You and I are on the same page on this one too sadly...reeks of HaLeigh's case :(  LOL about that specific monkey, let;s go for it! We will need bail money though ::piggy::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: ospainter on November 02, 2011, 01:14:39 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/ProfilerPatB (https://twitter.com/#!/ProfilerPatB)

ProfilerPatB PAT BROWN
A 'new' story from a "source." #BabyLisa #LisaIrwin kansascity.com/2011/11/01/324 (http://kansascity.com/2011/11/01/324)…

Night all

OS


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: higherhopes on November 02, 2011, 01:28:14 AM
While many think that being drunk to the point of passing out could be a very good defense if the case ever goes to trial, another way to think about it is being drunk to the point of being irrational and lacking good judgment.

Like a drunk driver, if a drunk driver runs over and kills someone it is still homicide.

Also, being really drunk could've made it possible for her to have lost control of anger and hurt her baby.




Being drunk and passed out with 3 children in the house is child endangerment!!!!!!
They need to arrest her ass!

 ::MonkeyMad:: I am mad as hell *I know what is new*, but this is getting more absurd everyday, so the ninja kinapper just happened to come and steal a baby the night the dad happened to be moonlighting, sippy mom was passed out drunk from her grown up time and the brother was asleep??? Wow, I wish like hell I'd have known this ninja when I came home after curfew when I was growing up....do they seriously expect anyone to believe this? Then they pimp out Lisa's pics and the boys on Halloween because they are exhausted and grieving, bitch slap monkey plssssss. I am begging ::MonkeyNoNo::
I know where you are coming from....Ill half the money for a trip to MI and we can make our own "bitch slap mokey"........it will look like you and I with a monkey body!!!!!

You and I are on the same page on this one too sadly...reeks of HaLeigh's case :(  LOL about that specific monkey, let;s go for it! We will need bail money though ::piggy::
I can handle bail money...we will just sell our story to the media, thenthat wont be a problem......bet ya if we smacked DB a couple times we could sell our story faster then they could get us to the jail..


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cartfly on November 02, 2011, 02:12:13 AM
Details emerge about the night baby Lisa Irwin disappeared
By GLENN E. RICE
The Kansas City Star

Posted on Tue, Nov. 01, 2011 10:15 PM

 ::snipping2::
Bradley became so intoxicated that she could not recall later whether she checked on Lisa Irwin in her crib before going to bed herself about 10:30 p.m., according to a source familiar with the family’s recollection of events from Oct. 3 and 4.

 ::snipping2::
According to the source:

Irwin came home from his day job as an electrician about 2:30 that afternoon, which was the first Monday in October. He stayed long enough to have dinner with his family and play with the children.

About 4:30 p.m., Bradley and her brother, Phillip Netz, left to go a neighborhood store to buy a box of wine and baby supplies. Irwin stayed with Lisa and her half-brothers, ages 8 and 5.

About 5 p.m., Netz and Bradley returned from the store. Netz soon left. About 30 minutes later, Irwin headed to work at a Starbucks, but he did not expect the work to keep him away from home as long as it did.

Samantha Brando, a next door neighbor in her 20s, came over to the Irwin house with her 4-year-old daughter. The daughter played with Lisa’s half-brothers.

Bradley put Lisa in her crib about 6:40 p.m., while Brando headed to a store to purchase liquor for herself.

Brando returned to the Irwin home about 7 p.m. and sat on the front stoop with Bradley. The two smoked cigarettes, talked and drank into the night.

By 10:30 p.m., Bradley, who had consumed five to 10 glasses of wine, was intoxicated. She told Brando that she was going to bed. Brando left.

The boys fell asleep in bed with Bradley. The door to Lisa’s bedroom already was closed to block out noise from the boys playing earlier.

Irwin finished his work at Starbucks at 3:45 a.m. and drove to his Northland home. Though he had worked through much of the night, he had not called home from Starbucks.

At home, he noticed the front door unlocked and the lights on, which was unusual. He walked to the computer room and realized the window was open. He tried to shut it but couldn’t because it wouldn’t work properly.

He walked to the boys’ room and saw that the older boy was in his bed on the top bunk. The younger boy still was in bed with Bradley.

A stray cat that Bradley had brought into the home was at the foot of their bed. Bradley awoke. Irwin asked her what was going on, why the front door was open and the lights were on. Bradley said she did not know.

Irwin then realized that he had not checked on Lisa. He went to her room. Her crib was empty. He went back to his bedroom and asked Bradley about the baby’s whereabouts. Bradley said she didn’t know.

Irwin ran to the Brando home and banged on the front door. He asked Brando if Lisa was there. She asked why Lisa would be there and not at home.

Panic ensued. Irwin called police on his work cellphone, after noticing that the home cellphones were missing.

Calling out the home’s address, a dispatcher told officers to respond on a “reported residential burglary in progress.”

Seconds later she said, “Contact Jeremy. … He noticed his screen is busted and his 10-month-old daughter is missing.

“He advises that he didn’t witness anything and doesn’t know how long she’s been gone.”

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/01/3243027/a-look-back-at-a-critical-night.html  (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/01/3243027/a-look-back-at-a-critical-night.html)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: clarice on November 02, 2011, 04:42:47 AM
At the Irwin House... Will the real "Alcoholic" please stand up...er..if you're not passed out?


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 02, 2011, 06:31:14 AM
http://www.bnd.com/2011/11/02/1925029/details-emerge-about-what-the.html
Wednesday, Nov. 02, 2011
0 Comments
Details emerge about what the family says happened on the night Lisa Irwin disappeared
By GLENN E. RICE - McClatchy Newspapers

 ::snipping2::
According to the source:

Irwin came home from his day job as an electrician about 2:30 that afternoon, which was the first Monday in October. He stayed long enough to have dinner with his family and play with the children.

About 4:30 p.m., Bradley and her brother, Phillip Netz, left to go a neighborhood store to buy a box of wine and baby supplies. Irwin stayed with Lisa and her half-brothers, ages 8 and 5.

About 5 p.m., Netz and Bradley returned from the store. Netz soon left. About 30 minutes later, Irwin headed to work at a Starbucks, but he did not expect the work to keep him away from home as long as it did.

Samantha Brando, a next door neighbor in her 20s, came over to the Irwin house with her 4-year-old daughter. The daughter played with Lisa's half-brothers.

Bradley put Lisa in her crib about 6:40 p.m., while Brando headed to a store to purchase liquor for herself.

Brando returned to the Irwin home about 7 p.m. and sat on the front stoop with Bradley. The two smoked cigarettes, talked and drank into the night.

By 10:30 p.m., Bradley, who had consumed five to 10 glasses of wine, was intoxicated. She told Brando that she was going to bed. Brando left.

The boys fell asleep in bed with Bradley. The door to Lisa's bedroom already was closed to block out noise from the boys playing earlier.

Irwin finished his work at Starbucks at 3:45 a.m. and drove to his Northland home. Although he had worked through much of the night, he had not called home from Starbucks.

Read more: http://www.bnd.com/2011/11/02/1925029/details-emerge-about-what-the.html#ixzz1cXhHMXK1




Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 02, 2011, 06:52:24 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/search-for-missing-lisa-becoming-a-circus-20111102-1muf9.html
Search for missing Lisa 'becoming a circus'
November 2, 2011 - 10:15AM


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/search-for-missing-lisa-becoming-a-circus-20111102-1muf9.html#ixzz1cXm5tIG4


http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/midwest/view/20111102new_lawyer_joins_team_helping_missing_infants_parents/srvc=home&position=recent
New lawyer joins team helping missing infant’s parents
By Mark Morris / McClatchy Newspapers
Wednesday, November 2, 2011 - Added 51 minutes ago


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 02, 2011, 07:12:57 AM
Second video at link says Deborah and Jeremy will return to the N. Waldron home today.
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/01/3243027/a-look-back-at-a-critical-night.html


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 02, 2011, 07:57:16 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-baby-lisa-irwins-uncle-forward-14863950
Missing Baby Lisa Irwin's Uncle Comes Forward
Police question the uncle of the girl missing for over a month.
02:28 | 11/02/2011


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 02, 2011, 08:33:52 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15930233/day-30-new-information-in-case-of-missing-baby
Day 30: New information in case of missing baby
By Chris Oberholtz, Multimedia Producer - email
By Jeanene Kiesling, Reporter - bio | email
By Bonyen Lee, Multi-Media Journalist - bio | email

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

Police have spoken to a northland handyman because of his history of home break-ins in Lisa Irwin's neighborhood, and say they have "moved on," stating that they have never called him or anyone else in the investigation a suspect.

John Tanko, 42, nicknamed "Jersey," appeared in Clay County court Tuesday on charges not related to the baby Lisa case. Early on in the investigation, police were anxious to find Tanko and question him about the night Lisa disappeared.

Neighbors near the baby's home said he would break into a house just a block from Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin's house and squat in the home while the owner lived out of state.

Thaer Alkhaezraji lives just a block up on North Lister from baby Lisa's home.

Alkhaezraji said he has called the police on Tanko two or three times, claiming Tanko was breaking into the house across the street.

"He caused a lot of problems," said Thaer Alkhaezraji.  "We chased him one time over here but he never lived here," said Alkhaezraji.

Alkhaezraji said Tanko would break into the house through a window which could be why police were wanting to talk to him.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 02, 2011, 08:55:08 AM
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15930233/day-30-new-information-in-case-of-missing-baby
John Tanko, 42, nicknamed "Jersey"
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/11/30508371724.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/531593/1043588)

Neighbor Thaer Alkhaezraji
(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/11/30508463639.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/531609/1017756)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cw618 on November 02, 2011, 08:59:56 AM
Phillips Netz
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41373_1749000701_8389_n.jpg)


the info about phill N is confusing,PN ,hangs out, eats whatever,then goes with DB buys wine,comes back to home,and leaves About 5 p.m. and he must have came back to sleep over,wonder why he came back and how Pwould know,( since he was sleeping ) how drunk DB was,and when DB went to bed, and JI or DB never mentions PN ever,not even after the wine buying video,and why wouldnt JI mention that he asked PN about the baby, thats if PN was still there when JI got home, JMO,a cover up for DB

Phil Netz sleeps over ?
 ::snipping2::
He was with Bradley October third, the night her baby disappeared and said the mom had drank enough that night to pass out drunk, as she maintains. The family believe a kidnapper snatched the baby from her crib while the dad was working, the uncle was sleeping and the mom was passed out.

http://www.kspr.com/news/local/kspr-the-uncle-of-missing-baby-lisa-irwin-voluntarily-talks-to-kansas-city-police-20111101,0,6422838.story

and he must have come back to sleep
 ::snipping2::
 About 5 p.m., Netz and Bradley returned from the store. Netz soon left. About 30 minutes later, Irwin headed to work at a Starbucks, but he did not expect the work to keep him away from home as long as it did.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/01/3243027/a-look-back-at-a-critical-night.html

maybe he slept in the bottom bunk
 ::snipping2::
He walked to the boys’ room and saw that the older boy was in his bed on the top bunk. The younger boy still was in bed with Bradley.
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/01/3243027/a-look-back-at-a-critical-night.html

maybe this slip is about DB and PN not DB and JI
wondering if this is a subconscious slip of the tongue

@ about 3:04-3:06,DB starts to say when we woke up,then changed it to when he woke me up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0Lmy0Q5U_k&feature=related


Phil Netz
FB: https://www.facebook.com/phillynetz


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on November 02, 2011, 09:36:41 AM
So I got this all correct.

Now we have the brother sleeping at the house with a car in the driveway.
Sister/deb drunk knocked out.  IF this is really true.
Dog doesn't bark at all.

Someone running around the neighborhood with a baby/doll with only a diaper on.
btw the people that saw this guy running around don't call the cops at once.

After Lisa is noticed gone,Deb doesn't want to go out the back door afraid what she'd find.
None of them go house to house to house  asking neighbors if they know/saw something. No searching period in the first week.

What's wrong with this picture?
 ::MonkeyQuestion::







Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 02, 2011, 09:38:58 AM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/modlock4.gif)


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 02, 2011, 09:42:20 AM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
Lisa Irwin case: Version 6.0, Uncle in house, Megan dated Jersey
Posted on November 2, 2011 by Valhall


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 02, 2011, 10:07:17 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29660981/detail.html
Witness Says Irwin Case Hits Close To Home For Her
Megan Wright's Phone Called By One Of Missing Cellphones In Irwin House
POSTED: 8:36 am CDT November 2, 2011
UPDATED: 8:47 am CDT November 2, 2011


Video at link.
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- A woman questioned by Kansas City police in the case of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin said she feels very close to the case.

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29660981/detail.html#ixzz1cYZk5cis



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on November 02, 2011, 10:12:27 AM
At the Irwin House... Will the real "Alcoholic" please stand up...er..if you're not passed out?


 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: cookie on November 02, 2011, 10:16:11 AM
circus about this case is for sure!  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on November 02, 2011, 10:22:50 AM
So I got this all correct.

Now we have the brother sleeping at the house with a car in the driveway.
Sister/deb drunk knocked out.  IF this is really true.
Dog doesn't bark at all.

Someone running around the neighborhood with a baby/doll with only a diaper on.
btw the people that saw this guy running around don't call the cops at once.

After Lisa is noticed gone,Deb doesn't want to go out the back door afraid what she'd find.
None of them go house to house to house  asking neighbors if they know/saw something. No searching period in the first week.

What's wrong with this picture?
 ::MonkeyQuestion::








This is beginning to make the Anthonys look normal.    ::MonkeyConfused::      Did I just say that???


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 02, 2011, 10:34:35 AM
http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/if-lisa-irwins-found-alive-who-gets-credit/
If Lisa Irwin's found alive, who gets credit?
Yael T. Abouhalkah

Read more: http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/if-lisa-irwins-found-alive-who-gets-credit/#ixzz1cYgcpJ4K


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 02, 2011, 10:36:47 AM
So I got this all correct.

Now we have the brother sleeping at the house with a car in the driveway.
Sister/deb drunk knocked out.  IF this is really true.
Dog doesn't bark at all.

Someone running around the neighborhood with a baby/doll with only a diaper on.
btw the people that saw this guy running around don't call the cops at once.

After Lisa is noticed gone,Deb doesn't want to go out the back door afraid what she'd find.
None of them go house to house to house  asking neighbors if they know/saw something. No searching period in the first week.

What's wrong with this picture?
 ::MonkeyQuestion::








This is beginning to make the Anthonys look normal.    ::MonkeyConfused::      Did I just say that???
Yep,care for an Advil? ::rhino::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: 4myjoey on November 02, 2011, 10:59:20 AM
Right Yuknowmenot, there are new rules now for after your child goes missing;
Step 1; concoct alibis
Step 2; Get T-shirts printed

And don't forget:

Step 3: Get your hair done.
and   Step 4: always keep the spotlight on you!!!!!
Step 5: make an appeal to the sleaziest defense lawyer you can find, use Baez as a backup plan
Step 6:  make sure you have the media paying you for pictures so you don't have to work!


Step 7 :  be open to accepting donations from every loon on the internet that has more money than sense.


Step 8: start up a minimum of 3 foundations

Step 9:  patent the name "Lisa"


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on November 02, 2011, 11:11:03 AM
Right Yuknowmenot, there are new rules now for after your child goes missing;
Step 1; concoct alibis
Step 2; Get T-shirts printed

And don't forget:

Step 3: Get your hair done.
and   Step 4: always keep the spotlight on you!!!!!
Step 5: make an appeal to the sleaziest defense lawyer you can find, use Baez as a backup plan
Step 6:  make sure you have the media paying you for pictures so you don't have to work!


Step 7 :  be open to accepting donations from every loon on the internet that has more money than sense.


Step 8: start up a minimum of 3 foundations

Step 9:  patent the name "Lisa"

Step 10: make a list of people you REALLY hate and turn it in to police headquarters as possible suspects in the abduction



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on November 02, 2011, 11:20:58 AM
So I got this all correct.

Now we have the brother sleeping at the house with a car in the driveway.
Sister/deb drunk knocked out.  IF this is really true.
Dog doesn't bark at all.

Someone running around the neighborhood with a baby/doll with only a diaper on.
btw the people that saw this guy running around don't call the cops at once.

After Lisa is noticed gone,Deb doesn't want to go out the back door afraid what she'd find.
None of them go house to house to house  asking neighbors if they know/saw something. No searching period in the first week.

What's wrong with this picture?
 ::MonkeyQuestion::








This is beginning to make the Anthonys look normal.    ::MonkeyConfused::      Did I just say that???
Yep,care for an Advil? ::rhino::

Three, please!


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: flutter1 on November 02, 2011, 11:28:11 AM
According to my interpretation of this last rendition of this fairy tale,http://www.bnd.com/2011/11/02/1925029/details-emerge-about-what-the.html#ixzz1cXhHMXK1 (http://www.bnd.com/2011/11/02/1925029/details-emerge-about-what-the.html#ixzz1cXhHMXK1) JI passed by Lisa's closed door three times, checking on sons and wife, before becoming alarmed enough to check on baby.  If that makes sense to anyone,  please seek serious mental help. 

BTW, John "Jersey" Tanko's address of record for his current and all previous bookings going back to 2007 is

3718 N LISTER
KANSAS CITY, MO 64116

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/nameSearch.do (https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/nameSearch.do)

Is that the house they refer to as the one in which he "squat"http://www.kctv5.com/story/15930233/day-30-new-information-in-case-of-missing-baby (http://www.kctv5.com/story/15930233/day-30-new-information-in-case-of-missing-baby)?  If so, he did more than squat, he received mail.  The post office will not deliver mail to an address until you fill out either a change of address to a new address or an occupancy form. 

For those better with Google Maps than I am, where is this house in relation to the Bradley/Irwin residence? ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on November 02, 2011, 11:29:13 AM
Okay, another confusing fact on the case...

First, the brother drops Deborah at her place and he drives away...
Second, he stays and drinks with Deborah and her friend, then goes to sleep while Debbie is dead drunk...

Today, in the Kansas City Star, the following:
Quote
About 5 p.m., Netz and Bradley returned from the store. Netz soon left.

So, did he stay or did he leave?

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/01/3243027/a-look-back-at-a-critical-night.html



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on November 02, 2011, 11:36:39 AM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
Lisa Irwin case: Version 6.0, Uncle in house, Megan dated Jersey
Posted on November 2, 2011 by Valhall



Valhall can really write!!!



Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on November 02, 2011, 11:41:02 AM
Right Yuknowmenot, there are new rules now for after your child goes missing;
Step 1; concoct alibis
Step 2; Get T-shirts printed

And don't forget:

Step 3: Get your hair done.
and   Step 4: always keep the spotlight on you!!!!!
Step 5: make an appeal to the sleaziest defense lawyer you can find, use Baez as a backup plan
Step 6:  make sure you have the media paying you for pictures so you don't have to work!


Step 7 :  be open to accepting donations from every loon on the internet that has more money than sense.


Step 8: start up a minimum of 3 foundations

Step 9:  patent the name "Lisa"

Step 10: make a list of people you REALLY hate and turn it in to police headquarters as possible suspects in the abduction



Step 11:    Find a good-hearted soul -- or anyone, who will donate a billboard, either mobile or stationary.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: Ono on November 02, 2011, 11:47:03 AM
Second video at link says Deborah and Jeremy will return to the N. Waldron home today.
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/01/3243027/a-look-back-at-a-critical-night.html

I bet the neighbors just can't wait.


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: pharlap on November 02, 2011, 11:51:12 AM
Okay, another confusing fact on the case...

First, the brother drops Deborah at her place and he drives away...
Second, he stays and drinks with Deborah and her friend, then goes to sleep while Debbie is dead drunk...

Today, in the Kansas City Star, the following:
Quote
About 5 p.m., Netz and Bradley returned from the store. Netz soon left.

So, did he stay or did he leave?

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/01/3243027/a-look-back-at-a-critical-night.html

OMG, this throws who's on 1st, what's on 2nd right out of the park.

Le has to be laughing under there breath when questioning these people.
Not meant to be funny, but come on.
The never ending story, which changes by the day...

If your telling the truth, the story doesn't keep on changing...JMO

 ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 02, 2011, 12:08:31 PM
Second video at link says Deborah and Jeremy will return to the N. Waldron home today.
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/01/3243027/a-look-back-at-a-critical-night.html

I bet the neighbors just can't wait.
I would have a hammer in one hand ...hose in the other.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 02, 2011, 12:09:14 PM
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KCPD has stated several times that Jersey is not a suspect. IMO is a re