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http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/investigators-launch-new-search-for-lisa-irwin-about-10-miles-from-her-home
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uthorities with the FBI and Kansas City Police Department searched Chaumiere Woods Park, in the 3700 block of NE 43rd Terrace. That's near Interstate 35 and Chouteau Trafficway, about two miles north of Lisa’s home in the 3600 block of Lister Avenue in Kansas City.

NBC Action News reporter Lindsay Shively reports one boat was in a lake there, and two more ground crews were searching the area. All three had dogs.

Police say the search is not based off of any specific tip. Investigators had left the area, appearing to not have found anything by about 12:50 p.m.

Lisa was reported missing on Oct. 4. Her parents said Lisa’s father, Jeremy Irwin, came home around 4 a.m. and Lisa was not in her crib.

We’ll post more information here as it becomes available.

Editor's Note: A previously-published version of this story incorrectly stated the search area was about 10 miles. NBC Action News apologizes for this error.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/investigators-launch-new-search-for-lisa-irwin-about-10-miles-from-her-home#ixzz1c0mfrpsq

Thanks Klaas!!  That was a smooth & quick ride!!  (http://bestsmileys.com/cars/8.gif)

I think the Irwin's are feeling the heat of the investigation breathing down their necks.  Their attorney Ms. Short says the Irwin's and their supporters are stressed and need a rest.  What does Lisa Irwin need?  You have parents like Deborah and Jeremy Irwin and then there are parents like Morgan Harrington's and Natalee Holloway's mom Beth.  JMHO

I agree. How can anyone rest when their child is missing? Maybe I'm just cynical.

http://theklaasact.blogspot.com/2011/10/baby-lisa-and-loss-of-urgency.html

Baby Lisa and the Loss of Urgency!

Baby Lisa’s parents have circled the wagons, hired a platoon of lawyers and consultants, and cut off communications with media and law enforcement. Critical decisions are made by committee. Their other two children are off-limits to law enforcement, mommy’s story shifts and shudders, and her commentary reveals more questions than it answers. Access to the house is restricted and a cadaver dog picked up the scent of decaying human remains in the master bedroom.

The abysmal choices and questionable behavior of baby Lisa’s mom and dad have left them exposed. One result of their failure to eliminate themselves as suspects in baby Lisa’s disappearance is that her parents are being tried and convicted in the court of public opinion. They and their representatives claim that they are being scapegoated; that the authorities have to pin the crime on someone and that the parents are the obvious choices.

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Rest my butt!  I have cared for my sick little ones and been lucky to get 2 hours total of sleep in  a day, pacing, bouncing, not eating, not fixing my hair (much less getting high lights) And they were right here in my arms.  IF my baby was missing I cannot fathom telling someone I need to rest for a week!

Time is critical!!  Why is the search for Lisa NOT urgent to them???????

No your not..If a child is missing you go to the end of the earth to find her/him/them.... 
However not in this case.....
My god, deb didn't even want to look out the back door, afraid of what she'd fine.  Now what's with that?
 ::MonkeyMad::

Can someone bring over the new search pictures TY

Why bring that up, not wanting to look out the back door?
Was Lisa taken out of the back door???
 ::MonkeyEek::

These boys look like they love Lisa.  They have to be asking where she is.  I wonder what she's telling them.

Vinnie is on now...HLM....got the pic's up. ::rhino::

I agree. It's a strange thing to say. There must be something to it. But what?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I've posted all the pictures from the last search.  It went pretty quickly, and of course nothing was found.

Good afternoon Monkeys and guest!

I have been reading about Lisa since this all started, but have not posted. I could reach through my screen and biotch slap both of these parents. They are the ones who called 911 to report their baby missing, but hey they don't want to talk to LE anymore. truth is THEY DO NOT WANT LISA FOUND RIGHT NOW. Why are Police being so mean to them? Has it not occurred to these imbeciles that they are just doing their job trying to find THEIR baby. Maybe the LE should take a week to rest. They are the ones busting their butts trying to find a baby that the parents don't want found. Just so fed up with parents and their live  in boy/girlfriends  harming  ::MonkeyMad::the babies.

I know how you feel darla and I too need to step back from this case for a while.  I'm just furious that these people have put a missing Baby Lisa on the back burner so they can "rest".

Yeah, kinda makes you wonder why they even bothered to report her missing. Guess they learned from KC that an imaginary nanny story wouldn't work. Ack. If these parents are innocent, then I don't want to be hard on them. But their actions just keep putting suspicion back onto them.

All caught up now and gosh, I think I need to rest, worked from 5am to 2pm and then went grocery shopping then home to unload and put away, but hey, I can still talk.....I can still think.....I can still remember things from last month.....wth....need to rest????   What the hell has made them tired, trying to remember what lies they last told, trying to convince the boys what to say and what not to during tomorows interview, these people are just plain mean and they are not one bit worried about baby Lisa, if they were they would talk until their damn head fell over and they passed out from exhaustion!!!   Guess that explains why Debra had to leave baby Lisa in her bedroom alone all night because she was too tired to take care of her, but yet she calls herself a good Parent....she wouldnt know a good parent if it came over and bit her on her butt!!......I hope the boys tell everything they have ever been through whle living ar that house with DB, they arre really making me sick!!!!

I contend that the observations that took place at 12:15 AM and 04:00 AM on the morning that baby Lisa went missing will be the smoking gun that will more this case forward.

I also contend that Jeremy and Deborah's recent low profile implies that both realize the writing is on the wall.

Could it be that Jeremy believed a false workplace alibi would distance him from implication in furthering an abduction fabrication in regards to being the person who was observed by witnesses carrying a baby at 12:15 AM and 4:00 AM on the morning his daughter went missing.

Think about it.  The description provided by 2:15 AM neighbor witnesses as well as the identification claim from an official photo lineup afforded by the 4:00 AM motorcyclist witness all points to Jeremy.

Janet
Edit to fix typo.  MB

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/27/police-search-pond-for-missing-11-month-old-missouri-baby/
U.S. - US
Kansas City Police Search Pond for Missing Baby Lisa Irwin
Published October 27, 2011
| FoxNews.com
Video at link.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/27/police-search-pond-for-missing-11-month-old-missouri-baby/#ixzz1c14s96VH

12:15 AM

NANCY GRACE
Aired October 24, 2011 - 20:00   ET

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VELEZ-MITCHELL:  ... Lisa, you claim you saw a man with the baby that night. Are you sure it was a man?

LISA, WITNESS WHO CLAIMS SHE SAW MAN WITH INFANT RESEMBLING BABY LISA: Yes, I am positive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is correct. You have no doubts that it was a man? How can you be so sure?

LISA: Yes. Correct. Based on the lighting. When it reflected off of the gentleman`s head, there was no long hair. To us it appeared as if the gentleman had a bald head.

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LISA: The cops did offer to make a sketch for us. However, we didn`t have clear facial features to give them. We were able to describe the man, he was very slender. He was a tall gentleman. He was probably six-foot tall, maybe 5`8" to six-feet tall. So he was a really tall gentleman and he was very, very slender. He was wearing a white T-shirt and some sweat pants.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/24/ng.01.html

#25

Jeremy and Lisa's recent low profile s/b Jeremy and Debbie's recent low profile
Fixed it.  MB

Brothers of Baby Lisa Irwin to be interviewed
updated 10/26/2011 3:51:08 PM ET

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Some recent attention has focused on surveillance video from a gas station near the Irwin home that showed a person emerging from the woods early on October 4. It was unclear if the person was carrying anything.

That came on the heels of witnesses telling network news shows over the weekend they saw a man carrying a baby dressed only in a diaper outside on that same night. A couple on Irwin's street said they saw the man at about 12:15 am while another witness said he saw a man with a baby at about 4 am some three miles away.

Kansas City police spokesman Sergeant Stacey Graves said on Tuesday that police have reviewed the gas station video. Police have declined to comment on the witness reports.

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http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45051152/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

I just looked at the pictures of baby Lisa at a birthday party 2 days before she came up missing and she must have gotten sick really fast because she looks so adorable in those pictures and not sick at all...

Statement from attorney Cyndy Short on why this morning's news conference and house walk-through had been cancelled: "That last few weeks have been exhausting to everyone working on behalf of the Irwin family, it has exhausted Lisa's parents and her friends and family. Therefore, the consensus is we all need a rest until next week. Therefore the pool camera photo walk through and press conference scheduled for today and tomorrow are being postponed until next week."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 3:42 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c1CEg888

I tend to agree - and the 4:00 M motorcyclist stated in the latest TV interview  [ sorry I have no link ], that he had been shown six photos to see if any were who he saw - he then said that he did pick one out from the six,  paraphrasing here:  "  ... and the one I picked out is the one you have seen in this case already."    Let's think about that -- exactly who does he mean?
Very curious ...

Babies get sick quick -- high temps can come on in a flash.  Everything with babies happens quickly.   That is why no mother/caretaker has any business allowing themselves the luxury of getting drunk while on duty.   The height of irresponsibility.

Yep...your right...and in the birthday pictures her Mother is no where around....well not in the pictures anyways.....but Lisa sure is cute as a button........There is something seriously wrong with DB and I cant believe being exhausted even fell out her mouth while her baby is missing!!!

When I compare that words of the 12:15 AM neighbour witness ... I assume that Mike Thompson ... the 4:00 AM motorcyclist ... picked Jeremy from the photo lineup.  I could be wrong.

Janet

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04:00 AM

Witnesses Claim They Saw Man Carrying Missing Baby Lisa
Updated: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 10:27 AM CDT
Published : Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 10:25 AM CDT

(NewsCore) - Three Kansas City residents said Friday that they saw a suspicious man walking the streets with an infant on the night that 11-month-old Lisa Irwin disappeared.

Mike Thompson told ABC's "Good Morning America" that he was heading home on his motorcycle around 4:00am when he noticed the man, who was dressed in a T-shirt, on a street near Baby Lisa's home.

"[It was] 4 o'clock in the morning, 45 degrees, the baby don't have a blanket or coat or nothin', and this guy's walking down the street," Thompson said. "I thought it was kind of weird."

Thompson claimed the infant -- who was only wearing a diaper -- resembled Baby Lisa and said that he would recognize the man if he saw him again.

He said he waited about a week to report the sighting to police because he did not immediately make the connection to Baby Lisa's disappearance.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpps/news/baby-lisa-witnesses-speak-dpgonc-20111021-fc_15585422


Baby Lisa Witness Re-Interviewed Witness claims he saw a man walking with a baby the night Lisa Irwin vanished.
02:47 | 10/25/2011

Re: Photo Lineup

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisa-police-interview-key-witness-14808369

Have a feeling Lisa wasn't sick.

Shirley Pfaff said she used to be one of Bradley's closest confidants, and her kids would play together nearly every day. The two would hang out together in various social settings.

Pfaff now lives in Erie, PA.


"We met each other in Ft. Bragg, NC. Both our husbands were stationed in the military, and they were young...new in the military. That was their first duty station and that is how we became friends," said Shirley Pfaff, a former friend of Bradley.

"She was definitely just an attention hound. It was just like I said, it was almost like I couldn't have other friends around her because she would just do things to try to cause a scene everywhere," Pfaff added. "She would go out with us. I mean me and my friend, Jamie, we would go out to the clubs and stuff. She would come with us just to the local clubs out there that she could get into. She was drinking yeah...She drank."

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I have a feeling that what this Lady is saying about DB always being an "attention hound"
is probably true........She has more then a few traits that coinside with Casey Anthony!!!

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15728409/former-friends-of-deborah-bradley-speak

The thing with Shirley Pfaff and the other lady is that - Deborah would of been 16 in 2002??

What children played together?  Deborah is 25 presently and her child with Bradley is presently 6 so what children is she talking about?  What drinking and husband stealing did 16 year old Deborah do?

Still confused on these friends from 2002 at Ft. Bragg and what they are saying about Deborah who was 16 in 2002?

Maybe they have the dates wrong?  She has been with Jeremy for 4 years?   She had her 6 yr old with Bradley when she was 19?  Maybe it's just that the dates are wrong and Deborah was 18-19 so the year would be 2004-2005?  IDK.

http://twitpic.com/71etfi


Another neighbor speaks out about Debra that use to live next door to her.......just something else to put into this tangled web......Where the heck is baby LISA!!!!!!

Did Jeremy and Deborah get their DNA taken? I don't remember if they did at the beginning, or not.

If they didn't, maybe by using the boys DNA the police can get a partial profile on the parents, without dealing with the parents' lawyers.

Knowing the family's DNA patterns can pinpoint any UNKNOWN DNA found in the home, so it would be useful if the Irwins get theirs in.

Not wanting to get their DNAs in may be proof that they do not want their child found because of evilness of their own doing (whatever that means.)

MOO.

Holly cow.
Wonder if the cops talked to this person, get a background of what they are dealing with.
If true, wonder if DB has anything on the next door neighbor, that she would lie for her.
Unfortunately you can't believe everything you read.

Ya, just wish Lisa will/would be found soon!
 ::MonkeyEek::

Article and Video..
KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

Police conducted a new search for missing baby Lisa Irwin on Thursday.

Kansas City police conducted the search in the area of Interstate 35 and Chouteau Trafficway near a Target store. The search concluded just before 1 p.m. and no new clues were found, police said.

The area searched is just west of the Festival Foods where the missing baby's mother, Debbie Bradley, bought a box of wine and baby items just before 5 p.m. Oct. 3. Baby Lisa was reported missing about 4 a.m. Oct. 4. Her mother has admitted she drank enough wine to be drunk during those critical hours.

The search included boats and three cadaver dogs. One dog was inside a boat on a pond at Chaumiere Park.  The two other dogs sniffed the ground along the shoreline. The two-hour search began at 11 a.m. and included the Missouri Search and Rescue Canine Unit.

"We just let the dog work freely on the shore. We give it a command and we will search a grid, but we let them work freely," said Major Robin Houston of the Kansas City Police Department.

She said the dogs are trained to search for human remains both on land and in water.

Continued..

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15890133/attorney-postpones-media-tour-of-missing-babys-home

Yikes! Those are heavy accusations--which I can only assume to be true, since they happened to her. If they are, then DB sounds like another manipulative liar. How disgusting.

Pond at Chaumiere Park...

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/SearchbabyLisaOct272011.jpg)

Search at pond at Chaumiere Park.

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/SearchbabyLisaOctober272011.jpg)

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/10/baby-lisa-we-all-know.html


hmmm, he sums up the comments from DB's attorney pretty good!!!

Search for baby Lisa at pond at Chaumiere Park.

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/SearchDogOctober27-babyLisa.jpg)

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15890133/attorney-postpones-media-tour-of-missing-babys-home

Jeremy  ::MonkeyEek::

I agree.....and if this is true then I dont doubt for one minute that DB did cause something to happen to Baby Lisa, either by accident or on purpose, dont know, but she seems like the type that would try to pull off a kidnap sort of thing and relish in the attention until she realizes that she is about to go to jail and no one believes her, then its...omg, now Im gonna hide behind my lawyer!!...Yep, something is up with her and her weird boyfriend~!!

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15894625/police-building-their-presenceon-a-social-media-level
Police building their presence...on a social media level
Posted: Oct 27, 2011 4:56 PM CDT Updated: Oct 27, 2011 6:08 PM CDT
By Laura McCallister, Multimedia Producer - email
KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

Social media like Twitter and Facebook have been used a lot in the missing baby Lisa Irwin case, and police are now recognizing they need to take advantage of the new tools. That was the motivation behind an experiment in downtown Thursday.
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I wouldn't put too much faith on the sightings.

Some people think that all things are about them, and they can't wait to inject themselves on a big story, even if their testimony can put the case in jeopardy. Some people do it out of the willingness to help, and innocently concoct stories just because they are convinced they saw something.

The times of the first sighting keep chancing. Some say 12:00am, some 12:15am, 12:30am, 12:35am, 1:15am, 1:30am, etc... The time discrepancies may have to do with who published the incident, the reporter who wrote down the story, and how each media outlet staff understood the story.

The first sighting facts are something else. On October 4th, the woman gave many interviews and each of her recollections was about her husband coming home from work and seeing the man with the baby. She at no time claimed to have seen the event, she recalled what her husband had told her.

Then in the latest interviews this woman is saying that both she and her husband saw the incident, and she gives details as if she saw it herself. She now says her husband was "going" to work, instead of coming home from work.

The 2:15am "sighting" could be put to rest, because the surveillance picture is so bad that even if a kidnapper was caught in the video, he/she could not be identified. It's hard to tell if the image is from a man, woman, and whether the person is carrying a baby or not. The captions said he was seen coming out of the woods, but there are many homes in all the streets around the area, he could've been out for any reason.

The 4:00am is also discountable. The gentleman claimed it was 45degrees that morning, when the temperature was quoted here being at around 60 degrees. The witness says he saw the man walking up Randolph Road, most possibly going North (Thompson said he exited on 48th St. coming South on Hwy 435). He was going West on the right lanes, the man walking up Randolph was on the other side of the road, so how well did he see the guy.

Yet, he gave LE a description and identified the person on the sketch as Jersey. He reported the incident a week after, and he identified the man after Jersey was in custody.

So, did he identify him as Jersey because he is convinced that Jersey has done it?

There hasn't been ONE person who has come out and said something that speaks of truthfulness. Even with the new $100,000 reward nobody is coming forth. The economy is bad and a few people who know what happened should be spilling their guts about what happened, even if just for the money. Yet, nobody is coming forth.

If I were LE, I may check all the alibis for the 24 hours BEFORE they reported Lisa missing.

MOO.

If any of you guys have twitters.....this is there link...
 ::rhino::
https://twitter.com/#!/kcpolice (https://twitter.com/#!/kcpolice)

Kansas City Police

Not that I have anything to hide, but... will they log all our IP numbers, our domains, and search our Twitter account profiles and stuff?

I'm paranoid about these things.

 ::ghost::

Not sure, think only twitters does...
I have nothing on my profile pages on anything...
I also went to there fb page.....and hit like...

Lisa Irwin: HLN 10/27/11
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/1/Lusfdm2hcek
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/0R4wC3L6wKE

http://empathysinsights.blogspot.com/




Very interesting to read...dont know if i believe any of it or not, but its interesting....

check this out ...from Justice for Lisa Irwin Facebook!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-for-Lisa-Irwin/290185081005988

(http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee509/Sallie1233/ascscsv.jpg)

VERY!  Interesting

strange..this family needs to 'rest' from all of this, the media attention etc..while we have another missing child, Jhessey Shockley whose grand mother would love all of the attention for her missing grand child..doesn't seem like this grandmother  is resting while Jhessey is missing..she is doing every thing she can to get the word out about her missing grand child.. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

and, why haven't any of the grand parents of Lisa spoken out? no one really has have they??? strange is all I can say..

The person running this page must be in the family they have pics on there I've never seen of the kids and Debbie

Itaryl Moosee

Up to the revelation that neighbor Maria watched the children when Debbie and her brother were at the store and ... up to the revelation that neighbor Maria was present when Debbie put baby Lisa to bed at 6:40 pm ... I embraced the theory that something bad happened in the hours prior to Jeremy leaving the residence for his workplace at 5:20 PM.

I now contend that three witness cannot be wrong in regards to observations that took place at 12:15 PM and 04:00 PM ... observations that a male of the same stature and appearance of Jeremy was walking the streets in a T-shirt with an unclothed baby in his arms.

Unless official confirmation is forthcoming which implies that Jeremy was at his workplace at the 2:15 AM and 04:00 AM sightings ... I cannot move on in my speculations.

Until the truth is revealed ... speculation is where it is at.

If I am wrong in my speculations that Debbie and Jeremy were participants in the demise and/or disappearance of baby Lisa ... I would eat an entire humble pie while rejoicing.

Janet

interesting StarMonkey..thanks..

#63

workplace at the 2:15 AM  s/b workplace at the 12:15 AM

I went and looked again at the pictures of baby Lisa that was taken two days before her disapearance at her step brothers 8th birthday party and I wish I knew how to post them here in the forum because it shows her alot better as far as her weight and stuff but sadly I dont know how to do that.....Anyway, God Bless baby Lisa wherever she is!!

I've been wondering about that 230 call,also wonder about the grand jury and if they will have parents arrested at some point.

She may have been taking the pictures, and I agree, babies can wake up in the morning, or in the middle of the night with a high temp that was unexpected.   I am not defending DB, I do not know if she was involved, but I can certainly understand her being mentally, physically, and emotionally exhausted.  We are all different, and react differently.  She may have been advised to take a few days of rest to recharge.

Maybe she has been advised to do that but if my child was missing it wouldnt do a bit of good for anyone to advise me to rest....no way..not as long as my child wasnt in my arms there wouldnt be any resting...imo

I do get what you are saying, but I can't imagine a mother who wouldn't be doing everything publically to get her baby back.  I'd risk going to jail forever because not finding my baby would be worse than that.

Could it be that Debbie and Jeremy have seen the writing on the wall and ... that is the reason they are no longer speaking with the media and ... cancelled the media showing of their house and media conference scheduled for today.

In other words ... exhaustion is not the issue.

Janet

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ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Aired October 25, 2011 - 19:00:00   ET

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is it true that you`re getting paid to avoid local reporters?

BRADLEY: Not at all.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then why won`t you talk to us?

BRADLEY: Because we`re grieving.
 
(END VIDEO CLIP)

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/25/ijvm.01.html

Thanks to all for posting updates, insights, research and images.

Somehow ... I believe that justice will prevail for baby Lisa.

Coult it be that investigators are behind the scenes connecting the dots and ... arrests will be forthcoming?

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
7:00 PM PT

MuffyBee

Thanks for editing my typos.

Janet

You're welcome Janet.  ::bee::

I think the police said that they searched the area today because it's an area near Lisa's home that needed searching, but me thinks that it had to do more with the area being in the way to where mom bought he wine.

The article says the area is near Festival Foods, and two miles from the Irwin home.

So, does the police suspect that Lisa was disposed of while buying the wine?

.... and...

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15890133/attorney-postpones-media-tour-of-missing-babys-home

Thing here is that they may not want her baby found. Why publish pictures of when the baby was 5 or 6 months for her posters, when there were more recent pictures available? Why not post her more recent pictures if they want a fast and correct identification from the public?

All the procrastination having to do with what will happen if the baby is found.

MOO.

http://twitter.com/#!/bradkctv5 (http://twitter.com/#!/bradkctv5)
BradKCTV5 Brad Stephens
New developments in the #LisaIrwin case concerning Joe Tacopina and a scheduled police intvw with Lisa's brothers. Details at 10
10 minutes ago

NBCActionNews NBC Action News
JUST IN | Police say Lisa Irwin’s family attorney has canceled Friday's interview with Lisa’s half-brothers pub.vitrue.com/61c (http://pub.vitrue.com/61c)
2 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/NBCActionNews (http://twitter.com/#!/NBCActionNews)

I'm guessing the interview will not happen.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/family-attorney-cancels-interview-with-lisa-irwins-half-brothers

Family attorney cancels interview with Lisa Irwin's half brothers

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Kansas City police say Joe Tacopina, attorney for Lisa Irwin’s family, has canceled the interview with Lisa’s half-brothers.

It was scheduled for Friday.

It will supposedly be rescheduled for sometime next week.

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OS

Ooops! Should've read.

Anyway, I had suspected it right when the home tour was canceled.

I want to hear the reason why he canceled the boys interview.

Hopefully is not that the boys need a rest, too.

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
KCPD says #LisaIrwin family attorney asked the interview with Lisa's older brothers be moved back to next week. Interview tomorrow cancelled
9 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/cliffjudy (http://twitter.com/#!/cliffjudy)

BradKCTV5 Brad Stephens
Atty for #LisaIrwins parents cancels police interview with her brothers.
23 seconds ago http://twitter.com/#!/bradkctv5 (http://twitter.com/#!/bradkctv5)

Now that they've canceled everything for the weekend, I wonder if they are even still in town.  I won't be at all surprised to see the entire family on a national network sometime in the next 4 days.  IMO, their actions are not the actions of the innocent.

The eight year boy must be missing a lot of school..maybe he is home schooled..have not heard anything about  them and school.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/family-attorney-cancels-interview-with-lisa-irwins-half-brothers
Family attorney cancels interview with Lisa Irwin's half brothers
Posted: 9:58 PM
Last Updated: 7 minutes ago

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Kansas City police say Joe Tacopina, attorney for Lisa Irwin’s family, has canceled an interview with Lisa’s half-brothers.

It was scheduled for Friday. It will supposedly be rescheduled for sometime next week.

Lisa’s half-brothers were to be interviewed for the first time since the day the 11-month-old girl disappeared.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/family-attorney-cancels-interview-with-lisa-irwins-half-brothers#ixzz1c2jfvT5O

I don't want to bump my own message, but I'll repeat the theory in case someone missed it.

The search today was next door to the Festival Foods, and two miles from the Irwin residence. Police said it was an area close to the Irwin residence that needed to be searched, but it was closer to the place she bought the wine than to the home.

The underlying message being that police are being sneaky.

 :2brickwall:

Hi all, it has been awhile since I have posted. School and bummed about the whole Casey Saga. One question keeps gnawing at me though, if the sightings were accurate, and baby Lisa was being carried around by a man in only a diaper, why would the abducter take the time to take her clothes off? She went to bed in clothing yet sightings claim other. Why were her clothes taken off and when? What happened that the clothes needed to be discarded? Also if someone was abducting a sleeping child wouldn't they have taken the blanket along with them? Have a good one!

What happened?


My daughter used to have nightmares with this:
 ::witch2:: ::witch2:: ::witch2:: ::witch2:: ::witch2:: ::witch2:: ::witch2:: ::witch2::

Klaasend, I have been gone so long I don't know how to PM you - have something I would like to send you on this case.

Good questions.

Nobody has the correct answers to that.

The fire was a known fact since the morning of the disappearance. so, I think that when the sighters knew there had been a fire, the obvious thought is that the baby's clothes were burned, so the baby had no clothes.

Again, why burn her clothes? Even if she threw up, or was soiled, keeping her clothes instead of discarding them seems a better choice. I mean, the clothes could lead LE to the kidnappers route.

Just my opinion.

Well, well, well, the interview between the cops and the boys is off.  Big surprise.
 ::MonkeyDevil2::

These parents have no intention of finding their child. 

I am not even 1% of her, but I believe her email is smklaasend@hotmail.com ... somebody should quickly correct me if I am wrong.

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http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/10/timeline-of-baby-lisa-case-by-is

abelle.html?m=1 (http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/10/timeline-of-baby-lisa-case-by-is

abelle.html?m=1)

Thursday, October 27, 2011
TimeLine of Baby Lisa Case by Isabelle Zehnder
The following is the result of hours of labor and will likely be a critical piece of information for the Grand Jury:

Detailed Timeline Weeks 1-3: Missing Baby Lisa Irwin case


KANSAS CITY, Missouri (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) -- Below is a timeline of the first three weeks of Baby Lisa Irwin's disappearance from her home in Kansas City, Missouri.
Baby Lisa's parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, say their baby was abducted from her crib sometime between the time Deborah put her to bed at 6:40 p.m. Oct. 3 and the time Jeremy came home after working his first overnight shift at 4 a.m. Oct. 4.

 ::snipping2::

OS

Where can we view these pics?

Sneaky?  What do you mean?

BlueBob, good to see you!  You can't PM but you can email me at smklaas@hotmail.com

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/27/3233889/interviews-of-baby-lisas-young.html

Interviews of Baby Lisa’s young brothers on hold

By ALAN BAVLEY and DONALD BRADLEY
The Kansas City Star
Mike Ransdell

Today’s planned interviews of Lisa Irwin’s two brothers has been postponed.

It may never happen now, because the case took a bizarre turn late Thursday as two attorneys for the family appeared to be in open conflict.

Kansas City attorney Cyndy Short said she had heard reports that New York lawyer Joe Tacopina had fired her from the case.

“He’s not in a position to fire anyone,” Short told The Star. “I work for the client, not him.”

Police told The Star’s reporting partner, KCTV-5, that Tacopina indicated the much-anticipated interviews with the brothers might happen next week.

Tacopina declined comment to The Star.

But Short said that if she has her way, the interviews with the brothers, ages 8 and 5, would likely never happen — for the sake of the boys and the case. The brothers were interviewed earlier, and she’s worried about additional trauma to them.

“I’ve done research and see more potential for harm than good with the interview,” Short said late Thursday. “It won’t happen tomorrow and maybe never.”

But if it does happen, the interviewer would face special challenges with subjects so young.

“You have to be very careful about the questions you ask and the words you use,” said Erin Miller Weiss, a social worker and forensic interviewer who is not involved in the Irwin case.

 ::snipping2::

OS

Sorry, I got in your box....need more coffee... ::HelloKitty::

morning monkeys,im going to try and catch up,but the last 6 pg are disturbing,
i sure hope monday dosent bring a, headline reading

irwins have left the state and moved to.....

i remember someone saying if DB harmed lisa the child would be within
3-5 mile of home,i looked at some pks awhile back,and this pk is 3m W
of home and a fairly,easy route

3620 N Lister Ave, Kansas City, MO 64117
to
river view greenway kansas city mo
NE Parvin Rd  3.0 mi, 10 mins
http://g.co/maps/ecs72

Tks for the map.
If you make it bigger, you can see the Missouri River is SO close to there house.      ::MonkeyShocked::

This is not right! How can they cancel at the last minute. O.K. Can the Bio dad step into this.
Does the one bio dad have the right to step into this. I know that he pays for health care,
but does he also pay support. I can't help but think that bio dad and Armed forces can't help
step into this. Can they say she lost one child on her watch and the bio dad does not want to
lose another.

a twit pic amber alert for lisa,under the pic it says...., so DB told LE the nite they reported
lisa missing it was 10:30pm,when she last saw lisa
so did she put her to bed at that time or was it the 6:40 time

twit pic text
Another image: Amber Alert. Lisa Irwin a 10-month infant abducted from her home in KC. Last seen 10/3 at 10:30pm.

http://twitpic.com/6v1mg6 (http://twitpic.com/6v1mg6)

kc LE twit
http://twitter.com/#!/kcpolice (http://twitter.com/#!/kcpolice)

Lisa's siblings were to be interviewed about her disappearance on Friday. The interview was abruptly cancelled by the Irwin's New York attorney, Joe Tacopina, on Thursday night.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 6:17 AM
(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/28/dff937f3-1524-46c6-ae5b-3221d0e92e2f_400.jpg)

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c4jlI595

I am furious with these people.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/10/28/lisa-irwin-case-brothers-to-be-interviewed-preempted-by-legal-catfight/
Lisa Irwin case: Brothers to be interviewed, preempted by legal catfight?
Posted on October 28, 2011 by Valhall

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011/10/28/2247441/interviews-with-lisa-irwins-brothers.html
POSTED: Friday, Oct. 28, 2011
Interviews with Lisa Irwin's brothers postponed
Alan Bavley and Donald Bradley - The Kansas City Star
Today’s planned interviews of Lisa Irwin’s two brothers has been postponed.

It may never happen now, because the case took a bizarre turn late Thursday as two attorneys for the family appeared to be in open conflict.

Kansas City attorney Cyndy Short said she had heard reports that New York lawyer Joe Tacopina had fired her from the case.

He’s not in a position to fire anyone,” Short told The Star. “I work for the client, not him.”

Police told The Star’s reporting partner, KCTV-5, that Tacopina indicated the much-anticipated interviews with the brothers might happen next week.

Tacopina declined comment to The Star.

But Short said that if she has her way, the interviews with the brothers, ages 8 and 5, would likely never happen — for the sake of the boys and the case. The brothers were interviewed earlier, and she’s worried about additional trauma to them.

“I’ve done research and see more potential for harm than good with the interview,” Short said late Thursday. “It won’t happen tomorrow and maybe never.”

Read more: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011/10/28/2247441/interviews-with-lisa-irwins-brothers.html#ixzz1c4mJYwDZ

ABC News: Kansas City attorney Cyndy Short has been forced off the case.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 6:5

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c4p32PJ4

I have GMA on in the background.  I'm trying to find a link, but I heard something about a woman who received a call from one of the missing phones.  I'm pretty sure that's what I heard.  I'm trying to find the video of that segment.  I hope this isn't old news.   ::MonkeyShocked::

ABC News reported on Friday morning that Short was forced off the case overnight. No other details were released.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 6:59 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c4qqS5vG

Maybe DB wants to grill her sons first to see what they know.

The word 'grill' in that sentence is very scary.
I'm so frustrated with that 'mother' and 'father' I'm about to throw logic out the window (screen dare I say) and lay suspicion on them for anything and everything.

:(

::rhino::  Maybe the video will be up soon.

Saw this posted over at Justice Quest. #1016   http://96.126.114.52/~toby/forums/showthread.php?t=58880&page=34
on GMA:
parents will not let LE question boys
all family and attorneys are managing to do is duck the tough questions, per LE (says reporter)
boys were to be interviewed by specialist, not LEO
interview with megan wright who got call from one of the cellphones the night Lisa went missing
says she didn't know family, had been through neighborhood before but had never seen Lisa
she doesn't know who called or why.

I see Klaasend has replied to your post BlueBob, but I wanted to say "Hi" and it's good to see you.  ::bee::

Thanks Trimm.  I'm glad you found it. because I couldn't.

Hmmm...that is interesting that this Megan received a call from one of the cellphones.  I wonder if her number is just similar to someone that the Irwin family knows...or if someone that knows Megan kidnapped Lisa?  Wow so many questions.

http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterAlexander)

PeterAlexander Peter Alexander
KCPD: #LisaIrwin family atty cancels re-interviews w Lisa's brothers & JohnWalsh of @1800CRIMETV this am @TodayShow.
2 hours ago

http://www.kmbc.com/r/29612215/detail.html
Report: KC Attorney Forced Off Baby Lisa Case
Interviews With Lisa's Siblings Also Canceled
POSTED: 7:04 am CDT October 28, 2011
UPDATED: 7:09 am CDT October 28, 2011
 ::snipping2::
ABC News reported on Friday morning that Short was forced off the case overnight. No other details were released.

News of Short's firing came hours after Joe Tacopina, the New York attorney representing Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, abruptly canceled an interview that was supposed to take place with baby Lisa's siblings. The two boys were scheduled to be interviewed by a child expert on Friday. Deborah Bradley has said the boys were inside the home the night baby Lisa disappeared.

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29612215/detail.html#ixzz1c4vqPWj6

Hmmm.. I thought the cell phones were not working due to non payment..

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/28/justice/missouri-missing-girl/
Interview with missing Missouri baby's brothers canceled
October 28, 2011

KANSAS CITY, Missouri (CNN) -- Attorneys for the family of a missing Missouri toddler canceled a Friday interview between the police and her two older brothers, who were in the house the night she disappeared, authorities said.

The boys, ages 8 and 6, are the half-brothers of 11-month-old Lisa Irwin, who went missing from her home in Kansas City, Missouri, on October 4. They were previously interviewed just after she disappeared, both for under an hour, Kansas City police Capt. Steve Young said.

The "nonconfrontational" re-interview Friday would have been conducted by a child services specialist without a police officer in the room, Young said.

"(It's) not an interrogation," he said. "They are kids, after all."

It was unclear whether the attorneys will reschedule the boys' interviews.
 ::snipping2::
Police also said they are seeking tests on the boys in order to eliminate them from all the DNA found in the home during a police search.

A cadaver dog searching the family's Kansas City home indicated a positive "hit" for the scent of a body, police said.

On that information, Short said law enforcement typically begins such investigations inside the home then, if warranted, the probe moves outside the family.

"We don't know exactly what happened here, so we need to keep broadening the investigation," she said.

Between 30 and 50 investigators, including police and FBI personnel, were involved in the search as of Tuesday, the Kansas City Police Department said. Some 900 tips had been received by investigators, the department said.
 ::snipping2::

YW  ::HelloKitty:: Curious to see what might come from this.

http://www.kmbc.com/r/29612215/detail.html
Report: KC Attorney Forced Off Baby Lisa Case  
Interviews With Lisa's Siblings Also Canceled
October 28, 2011




KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- ABC News is reporting that Kansas City attorney Cyndy Short is no longer representing the parents of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin.

ABC News reported on Friday morning that Short was forced off the case overnight. No other details were released.

News of Short's firing came hours after Joe Tacopina, the New York attorney representing Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, abruptly canceled an interview that was supposed to take place with baby Lisa's siblings. The two boys were scheduled to be interviewed by a child expert on Friday. Deborah Bradley has said the boys were inside the home the night baby Lisa disappeared.

Tacopina said he would call police next week and reschedule the interview.


 ::snipping2::

Well, well, well.  Now I'm wondering if we're ever going to know what happened to Lisa.  One name:  Joe Tacopina. 

Parents of Missing Lisa Irwin Cancel Interview with Baby’s Brothers and Police

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/10/28/parents-of-missing-lisa-irwin-cancel-interview-with-babys-brothers-and-police/

Thank you Red. Sadly I agree with you on all points. 

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15896385/interivews-with-baby-lisas-brothers-scrapped
Interviews with Baby Lisa's brothers scrapped
October 27, 2011

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin have canceled plans for a trained specialist to interview their two sons about the disappearance of their missing daughter.

The 5- and 8-year-old half brothers were scheduled to be interviewed for a second time Friday. The specialist was also to take DNA samples from the boys.

But Kansas City police said about 10 p.m. Thursday that those interviews were off at the request of Joe Tacopina, the New York attorney who is representing Bradley and Irwin.

Darin Snapp, spokesman for the Kansas City Police Department, said that Tacopina did not give a reason. Tacopina indicated that the interviews would be rescheduled for next week and police hope that occurs, Snapp said.

Police have said they needed the two boys to answer questions about what they saw and heard in the hours in which their sister went missing from her Northland home more than three weeks ago. Police had sought the boys' DNA in an effort to compare it against DNA collected from the home.
 ::snipping2::
The boys were initially interviewed by a trained specialist in the hours immediately after their sister went missing and an Amber Alert was in place for the Kansas City area.

The cancellation of the interviews comes the same day that the Kansas City area attorney for the couple called off a news conference and a tour of their home. Kansas City police also helped lead a two-hour search of a nearby pond Thursday, but turned up nothing.
 ::snipping2::
No suspects have been identified publicly by police.

Ditto.   There is something horribly wrong with this picture.    The cell phone issue has always bothered me.   What a bizarre detail...3 cell phones taken, along with the baby?   Wine box drunkie Mom?    Let's hope the cancellation of interviews, lawyer firing, means that LE has something tangible.    ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes Jerseygirl...you are right.  I didn't even think about that.  WoW!  This stuff makes NO sense.  Surely they don't have people that they know but aren't close trying to set up a defense for them.  Or...are there really people out there trying to insert themselves into this circus?

I found some for you crankycrankerson had some

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lisa%20Irwin%20%20-MO-/1002113.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lisa%20Irwin%20%20-MO-/1002112.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lisa%20Irwin%20%20-MO-/100211atbrothersBday.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lisa%20Irwin%20%20-MO-/1002111.jpg)

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: Poor little Lisa...........

The Today Show 10/28/2011
Interview with Baby Lisa’s half brothers cancelled
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45074400#45074400

John Walsh on The Today Show 10/28/2011
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45074429#45074429

Wonder if db/ji know this person....
 ::MonkeyEek::

(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/thumb/10/30009131086.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/524226/636352)

since this megan wright knows its the irwin phone im guessing it is from the
caller id feature,not looking good for DB IMO

i found a megan wright,if this is her, the local is near a big park with water
and 2.4m from DB

a Megan Wright @ white pgs
http://www.whitepages.com/name/Megan-Wright/Kansas-City-MO/6gz7hww
map home
http://g.co/maps/r24c7

map of pk near megan wright
http://www.recreationparks.net/MO/clay/lakewood-park-kansas-city

I am missing all of the obvious questions this morning...maybe I need to go back to bed. That should have been my first questions...do they know Megan?

Taco Joe will have a difficult time spinning this, imo. 

The video said detectives 'tracked her down'???  I know nothing about cell phones just saying what I heard... 

Sorry, I can't figure out how to post an image.  There's 2 from the Nancy Grace show I'd like to post.  I probably shouldn't they're so gross, but still.
Can I post from my computer or does it have to be another source?
If so, I'm lost, I captured the photos from the video here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/zmA79tAW5z8 (http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/zmA79tAW5z8)

Go to minute 21:22 and up.

It's horrible.  I can't even imagine how anyone could do this to the pic of poor little baby Lisa.  :(

Hold on.  Don't post any of the pictures.  It's okay to leave your youtube link for now.  Let's see what Klaasend says.  Keep in mind though that if you ever have any doubt about posting a victim's picture or you think it's "gross" you should wait and ask to see if they're appropriate to post.  Thanks.  MB

My thoughts this morning -- that when DB and JI say DB "jumped" out of bed when her asked where is Lisa -- maybe she rolled over on Lisa and when JI woke her she realized this and jumped out of bed. Tragic and still doesn't explain the need to lie. I hate to think this but more and more something isn't right.

It appears to me it's the video replaying that's doing that.  It's distorted by replaying it.  Don't think anyone did anything to the picture on purpose. JMO
 ::MonkeyTongue::

video
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45074429#45074429 (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45074429#45074429)

I think our justice system is lacking on many of these cases.  Since when is it ok for anyone to refuse to talk to police?  Haul their butts in there and arrest them for being stupid.  Or arrest them for hindering a police investigation.  If they don't want to talk then leave there butts in there for a couple of days until they get hungry.  What is wrong with this world?   This is like saying you don't have to stop for a policeman that is trying to pull you over with his blue light going.  "Well, officer, I just didn't feel like pulling over, I was tired and needed to rest" 

I hope not.  I took a screen shot of both and they're horrible.
I so hope someone didn't do it on purpose for 'shock' effect.
Thank you!

I agree with your assessment pharlap.  I   just don't like to see a whole thread hijacked by sensationalism. 

If the call was made from one of the three cellphones and this Megan person doesn't know DB or JI, then why only one call?  Usually if you mis-dial (which most of us don't because we use the contacts list from the cell phone), the next thing you do is try the call again, hopefully correctly.  But there was only one call.  Could the person calling been calling from memory and then quit because they knew that the calls could possibly be used against them?  Was the person so stressed out that they forgot a number that they use often but had not saved?  That has happened to me.   ::witch2::  (only three more days is broom-flying season, I am taking advantage of it)

IMO - The pics in the NG youtube video have been treated with a photoshop effect -- making pic a negative or something like that. Agree. It is very eerie considering the subject.

Yep.  And I don't see any good from posting them here.  MuffyBee

unless someone just called a random number to establish a ping from the "stolen" cellphone???

WHAT??  What she mean "More potential for harm than good with the interview"

I just looked again.  I'll have to stand firm with the (two) pics definitely being 'retouched' especially with the ones before and after being completely normal with no effects at all.  Pretty much a dead giveaway that.

So no, I'll not post here (of course).  Just too disturbing.  Thanks for giving me the heads up.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisas-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-14833264?tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=14833092
Baby Lisa's Parents Refuse Sons' Questioning
Latest twist in standoff between Irwin family and police brings more tension.
02:31 | 10/28/2011

I have to say the NG show takes things too far too often for me.

And harming the boys? I see no reason why it should harm them to be asked questions. If it helped bring my baby home, there is nothing I would not do. Then again, I wouldn't have been drunk while caring for my baby ... just saying.

(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/10/30010482867.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/524393/716103)

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisas-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-14833264?tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=14833092

Think I got it...
I've phone ppl when I didn't know it, by hitting numbers without knowing til later.  How do I know that, was the police I/phone did it on it's own(hehe) ::MonkeyHaHa::, and they stopped by to see what's up.  If I was ok.
Maybe that's what happened?
 ::MonkeyTongue::

megan wright; 2:38am phone call from Irwin phone.

http://gma.yahoo.com/video/news-26797925/baby-lisa-s-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-27089969.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fnews-26797925%252Fbaby-lisa-s-parents-refuse-sons-questioning-27089969.html

http://www.facebook.com/Juggalette.Skittles?sk=photos#!/Juggalette.Skittles?sk=wall              

????
Mods please remove if not appropriate.

Pink hair?  Jersey's girlfriend?  interviewed 4 x's by LE, pure speculation on my part.

Good morning Monkey's,

Thank-you, Trimm, for the picture of Megan Wright and the link.

I listened twice, to the snippet with MW, she doesn't know who answered the phone or what was said, (paraphasing).

She mentions her ex BF and her, rode around the neighbor.  It is not clear, when they rode through the area.

Who is the "ex" BF?  TIA

Good morning, Monkeys---I had trouble understanding  what this woman was saying so thank you Seahorse for clarifying.  I know when someone answers the phone in my house.  Of course I live alone so I don't think one of my visitors would answer the phone without my knowing.  It just seems strange to me that she doesn't know who answered the phone.  I hope that LE has questioned everyone in her home and determined who actually did answer the phone and what was said.  This gets more strange by the minute.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/local-attorney-representing-parents-off-lisa-irwin-case#ixzz1c5KxlD5h
Local attorney representing parents off Lisa Irwin case
Posted: 8:38 AM
Last Updated: 24 minutes ago

    By: Aaron Heintzelman

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - The local attorney who had been representing Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin is off the case, her law firm said Friday.

No immediate reason was given for Cyndy Short’s removal, but the McCallister Law Firm said she would be issuing a statement later Friday morning.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/local-attorney-representing-parents-off-lisa-irwin-case#ixzz1c5iDFovG

Note:  This article was from 10/25, when Cynthia Short was still the Irwin's attorney.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/25/3229412/legal-dance-with-police-is-part.html 
Legal dance with police in Lisa Irwin case is part of the system
October 25, 2011
 ::snipping2::
...defense lawyers and former investigators said that ongoing negotiations between police and attorneys for the parents of a missing 11-month-old girl over the conditions for more interviews are a routine part of the system.

Last week Cyndy Short, a lawyer for Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, said she was setting boundaries for her clients’ cooperation with police and insisting on ground rules in exchange for additional interviews about the disappearance of Lisa Irwin in early October.

Police have issued public appeals to Bradley and Irwin for separate “unrestricted” interviews to follow up on issues raised at their last formal interrogation on Oct. 8.

Conducting separate interviews is a standard police procedure. Officers even do it at traffic accident scenes, where they pull drivers and witnesses apart to speak to them. So they certainly wouldn’t deviate from the practice in a missing-child case, said Capt. Steve Young, a Kansas City police spokesman.

“We want to know what they have to say on their own,” Young said.

The parents also have refused to allow police to have specially trained social workers reinterview their older children from previous relationships, boys ages 6 and 8 who were at the home when Lisa disappeared.

As a general rule, police do not interview children who are witnesses. Instead, they refer them to a child protection center, where social workers talk to the children. Police are not allowed in the room.

In the Irwin case, social workers talked to one boy for 30 minutes and the other boy for 50 minutes the day Lisa vanished. Police have not been able to send the boys back to the center.

Negotiations between lawyers and police on setting up witness interviews often result in interviews that are less than ideal for both sides, experts said.

Innocent parties may hesitate to be completely honest with police for fear that their statements may be used against them, defense lawyers said.

And with an attorney hovering in the interview room, the interrogation can be stilted and less spontaneous, former investigators said.

“It’s like having a filter between the detective and the person they want to talk to,” said Dave Bernard, a retired Kansas City police homicide detective. “You don’t get a true one-to-one conversation. You have to go through an attorney.”

That tension is a natural part of balancing the rights of those presumed innocent with the obligation of police to vigorously investigate crimes.

“There is a conflict between the role of the police to close a case and bring folks to justice and the rights of the innocent to avoid being railroaded,” said lawyer Dan Ross. “The legitimate purpose of an investigation can be met without threatening a client’s rights against self-incrimination.”

One condition that Short has set on the interviews is that two detectives who previously interviewed Bradley not sit in on any new sessions. That isn’t necessarily a deal-breaker, one former investigator noted.

Retired FBI agent Jeff Lanza said that fresh eyes and a new perspective might make an interview more productive.

“If she trusts someone and would rather speak with them, have at it,” Lanza said. “Let’s throw them in.”

Lanza said the only condition he would reject out of hand is a limitation on a necessary line of questioning.

“What the defense attorney and the couple has to realize is that they are viable suspects in the case,” Lanza said. “Even if they didn’t have anything to do with the disappearance, they are still suspects.”

Defense lawyer Pat Peters said that investigators could consider granting the couple so-called “use” immunity in future interviews. Under such immunity, the subject could not be prosecuted for anything she said during the session unless the investigators could support the charges with information “derived from a legitimate source wholly independent of” what she said during the interview, according to a 1972 Supreme Court ruling.

Without some kind of assurances, Peters said he’d be reluctant to advise Bradley and Irwin to speak with investigators again.

“You want to make sure it’s geared to finding your missing daughter and not so that you can be lambasted again,” Peters said.

But the use of such immunity is relatively rare in the state criminal justice system, Bernard said, and requires the support of prosecutors as well as police.

And investigators would be wary of using immunity unless they already had a clear idea of the subject’s role in the crime, Bernard said. If he was investigating a drive-by shooting, Bernard said he would want to know for certain whether the fellow he was investigating was the driver or the shooter.

“If you’re not sure, the guy could come up and say, ‘Hey, I’m the guy who pulled the trigger,’ and you can’t do anything with it,” Bernard said. “You must be sure about the exact role before you throw the immunity statute at it.”
 ::snipping2::

The world focused intently on the Caylee Anthony murder and it went on for years. The principles in Lisa's case all know the longer it drags out the more likely evidence will erode. Every minute counts and now, weeks have gone by.

Every delay reduces the possibility that Lisa will be found AT ALL.

DB/JI's delay tactics remind me of a patient who simply goes from doctor to doctor until they find one that will tell them what they want to hear.

How many attorneys will DB/JI go through? They must have a local attorney of record.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/28/baby-lisa-update-parents-cancel-interviews-of-irwins-brothers-lawyer-off-the-case/#more-78323
9:03 am ET October 28, 2011
Baby Lisa Update: Parents Cancel Interviews of Irwin’s Brothers; Lawyer Off the Case
by Fox and Friends Posted in: Baby Lisa, Fox and Friends, Joe Tacopina, Judge Jeanine Pirro, Lisa Irwin, Missing Baby, Missing Missouri Baby   

Judge Jeanine Pirro joined Fox and Friends this morning with the latest in the case of missing Missouri baby Lisa Irwin, who vanished from her crib on October 4.
 ::snipping2::
Video at link.

I'm sure LE has by now talked to the lady who got the call, Meghan Wright. The time of the call is VERY close to the time when the text message was sent saying, "ready when you are". Or, was that message meant for Meghan, too?

Like someone said above, we sometimes dial wrong numbers when trying to remember numbers from memory, or when mentally too involved in something else while dialing, or a number dialed at random to create the impression someone else called a partner-in-crime, or something.

Anyone thinking that maybe Jeremy was having an affair, Debbie found out (cause the phone left behind to be programmed) and she got crazy?

One thing we gotta give credit to, if giving credit in a situation like this is conceivable, that whoever did the crime was smart enough to not leave much evidence behind.

Either that, or the evidence left behind is naturally-occurring in the crime scene.

JMO.

Has Jersey's image appeared in the media.

Janet

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Baby Lisa Witness Re-Interviewed Witness claims he saw a man walking with a baby the night Lisa Irwin vanished.
02:47 | 10/25/2011

Re: Photo Lineup

Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/baby-lisa-police-interview-key-witness-14808369

Did Jersey have a girlfriend?

Just my two cents worth;

I worked as an investigator for child protective services as well as a supervisor.  In that role I not only interviewed children, I was privy to detective interviews.   I honestly do not think I would ever allow that to happen to one of my children.   I have seen too much, know training and personal bias issues, etc.   I was once part of a specialized team and would not trust any of the specialist; not because they were bad people but because they each unknowingly brought personal bias' to the process.   Bias' influenced by personal history, educational experiences, and allegences to certain trains of thought.   Meetings afterward could be a mutual admiration society for a particluar person, or to oppose an opinion would be like world war three.   

I have also seen those videos on TV where they bring children to tears and lead them.  I have to turn those shows off.

With all that said, I know I would allow immediate interviews with me behind a glass partition IF I could stop the interview if my child was in distress.  I would then go in, comfort and encourage.   I just could not turn my child over to any "specialist"...seen too much.

I do think the parents are not doing enough, something is off.  But I am torn over the interveiwing of the children.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15898355/short-forced-off-the-baby-lisa-case
Posted: Oct 28, 2011 7:16 AM CDT Updated: Oct 28, 2011 9:39 AM CDT

Video at link.
 ::snipping2::
Neither Short or Tacopina have not responded to repeated requests for comment. Short has not arrived to her Kansas City office as of 9 a.m. Friday.

KCTV5's Jeanene Kiesling asked baby Lisa's parents, Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, about Short no longer representing them when they returned to a relative's home Thursday night.

"This is the first I've heard of it," Bradley replied. "You know as much as I do."

Short had planned to meet Thursday afternoon with local reporters to discuss the case but abruptly canceled the news conference Thursday morning. Police say Tacopina also scrapped today's interviews by a trained specialists with Lisa's older half brothers.

Lisa's parents called 911 about 4 a.m. Oct. 4 to report that someone had kidnapped their sleeping daughter from her crib in their Northland home.

Refresh this page for updates on this developing story.

No kidding ... lost in the shuffle & confusion.   This case is mega - creepy.

But try he will.

Is "Jersey" still in custody?

Janet

+++++

JERSEY

'Jersey', man sought for questioning in Lisa Irwin case, in police custody
Posted: 10/15/2011

<snipped>

Meanwhile a "handyman" nicknamed "Jersey," who was often spotted around Lisa Irwin's neighborhood, is in police custody. "Jersey" was sought by police earlier this week.

He was arrested on an unrelated outstanding warrant.

Police have not charged "Jersey" with a crime, but do say that they are questioning him about Lisa Irwin's disappearance.

<snipped>

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/%22jersey%2C%22-man-sought-for-questioning-in-lisa-irwin-case%2C-in-police-custody

Short forced off the baby Lisa case
Posted: Oct 28, 2011 5:16 AM PDT
Updated: Oct 28, 2011 7:39 AM PDT

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) - Cyndy Short, a Kansas City area attorney, is no longer representing the parents of missing baby Lisa Irwin.

Sources tell KCTV5 that Short was forced off the case Thursday. It is unclear Friday whether that came at the direction of Joe Tacopina, a New York attorney.

Tacopina joined the case last week.

Neither Short or Tacopina have not responded to repeated requests for comment. Short has not arrived to her Kansas City office as of 9 a.m. Friday.

KCTV5's Jeanene Kiesling asked baby Lisa's parents, Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, about Short no longer representing them when they returned to a relative's home Thursday night.

"This is the first I've heard of it," Bradley replied. "You know as much as I do."

<snipped>

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15898355/short-forced-off-the-baby-lisa-case

If the phone call lasted 50 seconds, that is more than enough time to say, "Sorry, wrong number."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-interviews-brothers-canceled-attorney/story?id=14834151
Missing Baby Lisa: Interviews with Brothers Canceled, Attorney Dismissed
By CHRISTINA NG
Oct. 28, 2011

An overnight shake-up in the search for missing Missouri 11-month-old Lisa Irwin canceled interviews with her two half-brothers and forced one of the family's attorneys off the case.

Baby Lisa's 5 and 8-year-old brothers had been scheduled to sit down with child specialists today for interviews about the night Lisa disappeared and to have DNA samples collected, but those interviews were abruptly called off Thursday night by the Irwin family's attorney Joe Tacopina.

Tacopina said he would call police next week and reschedule the interview, according to ABC News' Kansas City affiliate KMBC. Attorneys will reportedly still allow DNA samples to be taken from the boys' cheeks.
 ::snipping2::

A welcome voice of sanity!!!   [ Will definitely watch her show tomorrow evening! ]

Gyndy Short does not get it.  She is the puppet and ... Joe Tacopina is pulling the strings.

Janet

+++++

Lawyers in Baby Lisa Case Spar
Interviews, DNA tests put on hold
Updated: Friday, 28 Oct 2011, 9:04 AM CDT
Published : Friday, 28 Oct 2011, 9:04 AM CDT

(NewsCore) - Planned interviews and DNA tests of missing Missouri girl Lisa Irwin's young brothers were postponed Friday, perhaps indefinitely, as the Irwin family's two lawyers entered a bizarre public conflict over their handling of the case.

One of the lawyers, Cyndy Short, announced Wednesday that the boys, aged six and eight, would be re-interviewed by police about the night their sister disappeared from the family home in Kansas City, Mo.

But late Thursday, Short appeared to change her mind. "I've done research and see more potential for harm than good with the interview," she told the Kansas City Star. "It won't happen tomorrow and maybe never."

The Irwin family's other lawyer, New York-based Joe Tacopina, contradicted Short when he told KCTV late Thursday that the much-anticipated interviews with the brothers might happen next week.

Reports also emerged late Thursday that Tacopina had fired Short from the case.

"He's not in a position to fire anyone," Short responded. "I work for the client, not him."

<snipped>

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpps/news/baby-lisa-case-lawyers-spar-dpgonc-20111028-fc_15688815

Megan wrights MySpace

 http://m.myspace.com/home.wap?bfd=webnext&isredirected=true#friends.list/photoAlbums/409999052

Maybe her bf was jeresy I don't know ?

She says Megan phonecall went to her voice mail. Then what about the statement that she didn't know who answered the phone call? Is this more journalistic discrepany or did I maybe misunderstand?

Janet-  it doesn't matter anymore what Cyndy Short thinks, because she's no longer the Irwin's attorney.

GRIEVING???  How telling...

The call went to voice mail.  Call was 50 seconds. 

Can investigators determine the location that the call originated?

Janet

I wonder if its possible that Short has a conscience and after hearing about some of the evidence that LE has decided to quit?

Oh, you know that they can and probably already have.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

This may have already been answered, since I'm running in and out of the computer, but here it goes anyways:

News of Jersey's (John Tanko's) arrest came out on October 15. His picture was all over the local and national news that day.

News of the man who saw Jersey at 4:00am at 48th and Randolph came out on October 21st, he said he reported the incident on October 11th. The sketch was presented to him on October 17th.

My question is, why did he say that he delayed notifying police because he hadn't made the connection between his sighting and Lisa's disappearance, and not that he had seen the man on the sketch (supposedly Jersey) on the news?

Megan Wright says she has been questioned 4 times by LE.  WOW.  She better have been honest with them or they'll just nail her in the end for lying to LE.

I think Tacopino is in charge, he retained her services, and he terminated her services,IMO.  Most defense attorneys I've seen interviewed have said they would not allow their clients to talk to police at all.  Maybe Short arranged these interviews without consulting Tacopino and once he found out about it, he had her cancel them.  Then he cancelled her.  I don't know, of course.  Just seems logical to me. I do think that Bradley and Irwin would follow Tacopino's advice, though, since he is well-known. That doesn't mean he's a good attorney.  Baez is now well-known now and look at him.
Not that it matters what I'd like to know, but I would like to know who financed the reward and big-shot lawyer. And why?

Thanks KittyMom

I want to believe that investigators are behind the scenes connecting the dots and ... arrests in the Lisa Irwin case are just around the corner.

Janet

Would anyone be surprised if Jose Baez showed up in this case?

I don't know how to edit my post, but I wanted to add that I didn't think one grieved unless someone was gone forever or dead.

So then if this phone call is legit (and it appears so since LE questioned her 4 times) then WHO lied about the phones not being in service?

Not in the least.  Unless he stays wrapped up in Aruba.

Shut yer mouth!  Don't even think it.   ::MonkeyKiss::

The McCallister Law Firm just sent this news release: "Cyndy Short, Esq. has confirmed she is no longer working with the family of Lisa Irwin as their legal counsel."
by Karen Yancey/Staff 11:59 AM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c63dek00

So much for Cyndy saying yesterday that she works for the client and nobody is firing her.

Thank you Itaryl Moosee

I have read that John Tanko is Black.  I have read that John Tanko is white.  However ... no photo.

Could you or someone please provide a link to an image of Jersey (John Tanko).  I did attempt a search.

TIA

Janet

+++++++

'Jersey', man sought for questioning in Lisa Irwin case, in police custody
Posted: 10/15/2011

<snipped>

Meanwhile a "handyman" nicknamed "Jersey," who was often spotted around Lisa Irwin's neighborhood, is in police custody. "Jersey" was sought by police earlier this week.

He was arrested on an unrelated outstanding warrant.

Police have not charged "Jersey" with a crime, but do say that they are questioning him about Lisa Irwin's disappearance.

<snipped>

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/%22jersey%2C%22-man-sought-for-questioning-in-lisa-irwin-case%2C-in-police-custody

jersey - what I know.

Jersey's girlfriends landlord...geeze.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lisa%20Irwin%20%20-MO-/?action=view&current=InvestigatingJersey001.mp4

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/%22jersey%2C%22-man-sought-for-questioning-in-lisa-irwin-case%2C-in-police-custody#ixzz1awgCL8fT
snipped; in video he worked at Irwin neighbors home doing yardwork.

Meanwhile a "handyman" nicknamed "Jersey," who was often spotted around Lisa Irwin's neighborhood, is in police custody. "Jersey" was sought by police earlier this week.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-continue-asking-about-neighborhood-handyman
another article about Jersey.

__________________________________________________________
I'm just speculating...it could easily work with KISS and it is kind of weird with all the sightings and weird things going on in this case.  This is the kind of nut that would steal cellphones, leave lights on, call someone with the stolen cellphone imo.  He is in custody and a felon known for Breaking and Entering and last but not least people do break in and leave no forensic evidence.   Also as he was a parole violator he was supposed to be picked up by the local LE...wouldn't look good for them for sure.  Makes me wonder why they knocked down the abandoned house with the well so fast; it also was a Jersey connection.  So many odd things in this one who knows...I don't.

50 second phone call, interviewed 4 times by LE, walked thru neighborhood with ex-boyfriend....just sounds really crazy.

Janet - 3 pictures this page of the one in custody.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12175.620

Exactly!!

Could it be that those cell phones disappearance because activity would reveal that Debbie was not in bed between 10:30 PM and 4:00 AM and ... Jeremy was not at work at the 12:15 PM neighbor witness sighting of a man carrying a baby and ... he was not home at the 04:00 AM motorcyclist witness sighting of a man carrying a baby?

IMO

Janet

Thank you fatcatlurker

Janet

+++++

Northern Rose
Re: Lisa Irwin #2 10/11/11 -
« Reply #626 on: October 16, 2011, 01:39:13 AM »

Offender data is current as of 10/14/2011 09:00 PM.

DOC Id 1175445
Offender Name John S Tanko
Race White 
Sex Male 
Date of Birth 03/19/1969
Height/Weight 5'6" / 165
Hair/Eyes Brown /Brown 
WANTED - OUT OF CUSTODY
If you have any information in regards to this offender's whereabouts, please contact us at: 1-800-816-8199
 
https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/searchOffender.do

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12175.620


12:15 AM

NANCY GRACE
Aired October 24, 2011 - 20:00   ET

<snipped>

VELEZ-MITCHELL:  ... Lisa, you claim you saw a man with the baby that night. Are you sure it was a man?

LISA, WITNESS WHO CLAIMS SHE SAW MAN WITH INFANT RESEMBLING BABY LISA: Yes, I am positive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is correct. You have no doubts that it was a man? How can you be so sure?

LISA: Yes. Correct. Based on the lighting. When it reflected off of the gentleman`s head, there was no long hair. To us it appeared as if the gentleman had a bald head.

<snipped>

LISA: The cops did offer to make a sketch for us. However, we didn`t have clear facial features to give them. We were able to describe the man, he was very slender. He was a tall gentleman. He was probably six-foot tall, maybe 5`8" to six-feet tall. So he was a really tall gentleman and he was very, very slender. He was wearing a white T-shirt and some sweat pants.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/24/ng.01.html

Was reading in the HinkyMeter, and found this which I found kinda funny:

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2m5mmbc.png)

With the captions:
I FOUND THE BALD MAN RUNNING AROUND MISSOURI ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT

-----

Of course, the man looks like cousin Mike from Texas.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/28/3234841/kc-attorney-confirms-shes-out.html
KC attorney confirms she’s out of Lisa Irwin case
Posted on Fri, Oct. 28, 2011 12:13 PM
(http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2011/10/24/22/52/uORC9.Em.81.jpg)
Kansas City attorney Cyndy Short confirmed shortly before noon today that she no longer is representing the parents of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin.

Her office released a one-sentence statement announcing that Short is no longer the local counsel for Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley, who also have been represented by New York lawyer Joe Tacopina. The statement did not say why Short is gone from the legal team.

Police are continuing to search for Lisa, who vanished from her home more than three weeks ago.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/28/3234841/kc-attorney-confirms-shes-out.html#ixzz1c6BM5I2n

 ::MonkeyHaHa::    No.    But seriously doubt he has a license to practice law in Missouri.

My question is who placed it.
If db placed it, she's done.

Also maybe that's why short is gone, wanted to make a deal atm.
ALL jmo

The mug shots of October 14th that appear along with the description reveal that John Tanko is short and has long hair.  The 12:15 AM neighbor witness claims the contrary in regards to the man she and her husband observed carrying an unclothed baby on the morning that baby Lisa disappeared.

Janet

+++++r

Northern Rose
Re: Lisa Irwin #2 10/11/11 -
« Reply #626 on: October 16, 2011, 01:39:13 AM »

Offender data is current as of 10/14/2011 09:00 PM.

DOC Id 1175445
Offender Name John S Tanko
Race White 
Sex Male 
Date of Birth 03/19/1969
Height/Weight 5'6" / 165
Hair/Eyes Brown /Brown 
WANTED - OUT OF CUSTODY
If you have any information in regards to this offender's whereabouts, please contact us at: 1-800-816-8199
 
https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/searchOffender.do

Mug Shots
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12175.620


12:15 AM

NANCY GRACE
Aired October 24, 2011 - 20:00   ET

<snipped>

VELEZ-MITCHELL:  ... Lisa, you claim you saw a man with the baby that night. Are you sure it was a man?

LISA, WITNESS WHO CLAIMS SHE SAW MAN WITH INFANT RESEMBLING BABY LISA: Yes, I am positive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is correct. You have no doubts that it was a man? How can you be so sure?

LISA: Yes. Correct. Based on the lighting. When it reflected off of the gentleman`s head, there was no long hair. To us it appeared as if the gentleman had a bald head.

<snipped>

LISA: The cops did offer to make a sketch for us. However, we didn`t have clear facial features to give them. We were able to describe the man, he was very slender. He was a tall gentleman. He was probably six-foot tall, maybe 5`8" to six-feet tall. So he was a really tall gentleman and he was very, very slender. He was wearing a white T-shirt and some sweat pants.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/24/ng.01.html

Well we should know soon now that her (megan wight's) face is all over.  Somebody's will be calling the tip line for sure...

Was a text message, placed, first?   Are you ready?  This was rumored in the beginning.

Babybear, you are welcome, I listened twice, because it did not make any sense. 

She knows she has red hair and cleavage, she also  knows who answered the phone:)  IMO

Humm, I'm wondering when did Le talk to megna(said 4 times).
Maybe Le is releasing info in small amounts for a reason.
They've had the phones from what day 1?
Le can/probably has it already, the text message.  Wonder what it says.
 ::MonkeyEek::

I agree with you or hang up. 

Who listens for more than five seconds, at 2:38 am?  I listen less than fifty seconds, to a telephone solicitor, includes me asking to be removed, from their phone list.  I doubt if a phone solicitor was calling at that time. ::MonkeyEek::

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThj5VOSA5LaTqptxe__1zLTue2660btN29BHJPTQAulAHhhcgkshF-FR0N)
(https://image.prod.appriss.com/api_image_web_pkg.get_image?in_image_sid_encrypt=D6FDD45049B60D584E3A6F08FC9E40B4)
More recent ones, I guess.

This message for who asked to see a picture of Jersey.

Saw this at JQ http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1065412#post1065412 #498

aw geez megan's ex's father is a freakin' electrician.

http://www.prosperityelectric.com/

Founder and owner of Prosperity Electric LLC , Steven Leverette Sr., is a licensed Master Electrician. He has over 2 decades of professional electrical experience including planning, design, consulting, training and installation. Steven has served at the union and non union level and understands the needs of clients from both perspectives.

Trimm & Monkey's,

 JI worked a second job, (asking outloud) could his second job, be connected to this company? ::MonkeyTongue:: 

http://www.manta.com/c/mtczsvb/prosperity-electric-llc

Where doe his son work?

Okay, two scenarios.

First, Megan is involved in some conspiracy involving her father in-law to kidnapp the baby.

Second, Jeremy has been having an affair, seeing the GF in the middle of the night when his family sleeps.

So, on that night Deborah is reprogramming the phones and drunk she receives a message on Jeremy's phone, "ready when you are."

Now, Jeremy was supposed to return from work at 10:00pm that night, but the job was harder than he thought and had to stay at work.

So, Deborah returns the call to that number (which is Megan's.) She doesn't speak, but notices it's a woman.

Deborah realizes her hubby is having an affair, gets in a rage, crying and cursing bloody hell. The baby cries, and Deborah looses it, and harms the baby. She then has about an hour and a half to set things up.

Did one of her family members help her, or she got into a car without a license and drove? Did she hide Lisa somewhere and later on that day, or the next day, disposed of it?

Okay, sounds crazy, but how else in the world would a loving mother harm her baby?

Thank to fatcatlurker for posting the SM link and thanks to Itaryl Moosee for posting the image.

Janet

+++++

OCTOBER 16TH

Northern Rose
Re: Lisa Irwin #2 10/11/11 -
« Reply #636 on: October 16, 2011, 02:08:59 AM »

Offender Name: JOHN S TANKO
Offender ID: 0068948 Date of Birth: 03/19/1969
Age: 42
Race: White
Gender: Male 
Custody Status: In Custody
Location of Offender: Clay County Jail

(https://image.prod.appriss.com/api_image_web_pkg.get_image?in_image_sid_encrypt=D6FDD45049B60D584E3A6F08FC9E40B4)

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=26000&agency=24&id=0068948&searchType=offender

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12175.620

Weird part of this is that the neighbor who lived in the area 40 years, described Jersey as in his 20s and taller, same about other neighbors.

How can they confuse a 42 year old for a 20something guy?

Or, am i mistaken in this?

I know the news described a young teenager in the neighborhood who was questioned the week of the disappearance, so it's not him I'm confusing him with.

Where is Northern Rose?  It's been a while.

Janet

++++

Northern Rose
Re: Lisa Irwin #2 10/11/11 -
« Reply #626 on: October 16, 2011, 01:39:13 AM »

Offender data is current as of 10/14/2011 09:00 PM.

DOC Id 1175445
Offender Name John S Tanko
Race White 
Sex Male 
Date of Birth 03/19/1969
Height/Weight 5'6" / 165
Hair/Eyes Brown /Brown 
WANTED - OUT OF CUSTODY
If you have any information in regards to this offender's whereabouts, please contact us at: 1-800-816-8199
 
https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/searchOffender.do

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12175.620

The photos in question are nothing more than making the images distorted and changing to photo negative.  I suspect it was done by someone in the media for a dramatic affect.  Certainly not worth us spending alot of time on.

I do not like to make fun of anyone's hair...maybe, she is very hip, what does my face know? 

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Shannons-Hair-Say/157796874261545

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OT Robbie Wood, the 8 yo boy from VA missing for the past 6 days has been found alive !!  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12262.0

Sounds brilliant...

I would buy that story, but not the one that has been given to LE by JI/DB. 

Wonderful news, MB.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/28/3235010/barb-shelly-cyndy-shorts-exit.html
Cyndy Short's exit is bad news for baby Lisa Irwin
44 minutes ago
Barb Shelly

Cyndy Short’s abrupt exit from the Lisa Irwin saga strikes me as bad news for the missing baby and her family.

Short has gained respect as a lawyer by working tirelessly on behalf of her clients. She is smart and incredibly thorough. She doesn’t seek the limelight and she doesn’t seek a big paycheck, either. For years she worked for Missouri’s underfunded capital defense unit. Short always works for the best outcome for her clients.

Read more: http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/cyndy-shorts-exit-bad-news-baby-lisa-irwin/#ixzz1c6hA3GVr

http://www.facebook.com/HouseOfStyleMagazine?sk=info

http://houseofstylemag.com/
 Megan W. is (reportly) affiliated with the house of style magazine...(this is what) I found in gleaning ::MonkeyEek::

IDK if this is the MW or not.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/28/justice/missouri-missing-girl/?hpt=ju_c2
Attorney, family of missing Missouri baby cut ties
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 2:57 PM EST, Fri October 28, 2011

Kansas City, Missouri (CNN) -- The family of a missing Missouri baby continued to make news Friday, cutting ties with its attorney hours after canceling a police interview with the girl's two half-brothers.

Cyndy Short, the attorney who had been speaking for the family of 11-month-old Lisa Irwin, is no longer working with the family, her Kansas City, Missouri, law firm announced Friday in a statement. There was no immediate indication as to who, if anyone, will represent the family instead.
 ::snipping2::

Nothing to corroborate an affair, but I've read a few stories where the man seeks a woman who somewhat looks like his wife to have an affair.

Megan somewhat resembles Deborah, but looks spiffy. And, we know by the statements of her ex-friends in Ft. Bragg, that Deborah can't be crossed - lest there's hell to pay.

Of course, this is just theorizing and may have NOTHING to do with what really happened.

Revenge has been one of the many theories I have been mulling, only I hadn't thought of it from the affair standpoint.  I had thought she was angry with him for taking a night shift and harming Lisa was her retaliation, your affair theory makes loads more sense.

To think that LE has knowledge of these things, calls made, people questioned, alibis checked, etc... and we don't.

One thing that is odd in this case is that police has not allowed public searches.

In other child disappearances the whole town shows up for searches, but in this case there has only been LE-related searches.

I wonder if with public's help they would've found something by now. Yet, again, they know what they are dealing with.

Our parents were right, you are judged by the people you hang around with.  Granted, it appears this happened a few years ago in 2008..comments by Samantha are from 2010 however.

Deborah's drinking buddy Samantha:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=597638221&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=597638221&sk=wall)

Samantha's friend Amanda:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1215498391&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1215498391&sk=wall)
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205589_1007183099263_1215498391_30023714_9083_n.jpg)

Amanda Louise Windle

my arm when i hurt it
Share · April 18, 2008

        Michelle Windle wow what the heck happened?
        May 11, 2010 at 9:16am
        Amanda Louise Windle got pissed and put my arm thru this chicks window cuz she wanter to run her money maker and hate on a playa so i went to kick her ass and she woodent answer the door
        September 29, 2010 at 5:03pm
        Samantha Rook Brando bhahahaha that's my Amanda! Dude you are crazy and that's why I love you!!!!!
        September 29, 2010 at 5:55pm
        Mindy Gardner STOP PLAYING PIN THE DART ON THE JUNKIE!! THIS MESSAGE BROUGHT TO YOU BY CAPTAIN OBVIOUS.
        October 28, 2010 at 1:38am
        Allen Isbell OMG IS THAT WHAT I THINK IT IS! SERIOUSLY!
        October 28, 2010 at 4:35am
        Amanda Louise Windle what u thank it is i put my arm thru leanne dills window to her front door cuz she wouldnt answer after she ran her mouth not cuz im a junkie dumb bitches
        October 28, 2010 at 5:17am · 2 people
        Mindy Gardner You've already admitted to me that you are. Dont go back into Denial now!! You are regressing!!! Baby steps......
        October 28, 2010 at 5:19am
        Amanda Louise Windle right you no so much i used a couple times but i didnt let it take over and get in my head it doesnt even get me high so u wouldnt no ur the junky for how many years sorry u dont and wont have it like me i dont thank of needles like you duh hater
        October 28, 2010 at 5:27am · 1 person
        Tony Maucelli Jr your supposed to throw things to break windows not use your elbows
        October 28, 2010 at 7:39pm · 1 person


FYI - Amanda just got done with a "treatment" program.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1215498391&sk=wall

Amanda Louise Windle
just got outta jail caught another case we will see if i go to clay county tomarrow gotta start probabtion in jackson county now ya
trying to get my head outta my ass
Share · Tuesday at 9:01pm ·

Could the pink hair have something to do with October being Breast Cancer Awareness month and not necessarily 'style'. 
 :smt102

Klaas, trying to read that reminds me of reading those translated Dutch articles. Gives me a headache.

Klaas seems Amanda Windle just got out of jail and has Drug problem too.

It also appears she has a real anger issue and a small child.  Not a good combination. ::witch2::

Missing Baby Lisa: Interviews with Brothers Canceled, Attorney Dismissed
Oct. 28, 2011

<snipped>
 
Shortly after Lisa vanished, Bradley said that three of the family's cell phones that had been sitting on the kitchen counter were taken along with her daughter. Police have been mum about the phones, but a Kansas City woman told "Good Morning America" today that she received a phone call from one of those phones on the night Lisa disappeared.

"I received a phone call, well my phone did, the night that baby Lisa went missing," Megan Wright said. "It was apparently a 50 second phone call. I don't know who answered it or what was said or who was on the other end of the phone."

Wright said investigators tracked her down and have questioned her four times.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-interviews-brothers-canceled-attorney/story?id=14834151
 

Yes and it may mean nothing.  BUT....people are judged by the friends they keep.

4101 Main st kansas city is where Jeremy was working
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=3620+N+Lister+Ave,+Kansas+City,+MO+64117&daddr=4101+Main+st+kansas+city&hl=en&ll=39.105554,-94.553833&spn=0.134805,0.22419&sll=39.103157,-94.516068&sspn=0.13481,0.22419&geocode=FdyIVQIdG6Zd-ikZCMRTg_nAhzE-9Hve-T8YMQ;FXrgUwIdXrtc-iktyfGpw-_AhzFRrIuXUFpYhw&vpsrc=0&mra=ls&t=h&z=12
http://g.co/maps/upk7c
credit to: Sins Angel
http://www.psychiccrimefighter.com/forum/general-2/lisa-irwin-missing-10-4-11-kansas-city-missouri/page_27/#post88968


Starbucks Coffee
4101 Main St, Kansas City, MO 64111
http://cbk2.google.com/cbk?output=thumbnail&cb_client=maps_sv&thumb=2&thumbfov=60&ll=39.051386,-94.586018&cbll=39.051385,-94.586422&thumbpegman=1&w=300&h=118
http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Starbucks.Coffee.816-960-4592

2:38 phone call made to a Megan Wright from Irwin's phone. Lisa Irwin http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/28...se/#more-78323



(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/369864_673452540_678352713_n.jpg)
http://www.facebook.com/Juggalette.Skittles?sk=friends&v=friends
Megan Wright


“I’d been through the neighborhood with my ex-boyfriend”…Megan Wright

Megan Wright went from being "it's complicated" to "single."
October 23 at 12:35am
https://www.facebook.com/search.php?...=1319811861639

Deborah Bradley married name Netz

Deb Netz facebook
http://www.facebook.com/DebiNetz

POST on FB
Deborah Netz awww so cute!
October 27, 2009 at 6:13pm
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1146442984900&set=a.1125054250195.2019935.1342290411&type=3&theater

Irwins are staying here they are staying on N Walrond about 5200 block
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=3620+N+Lister+Ave,+Kansas+City,+MO+64117&daddr=39.1770601,-94.5394395+to:5200+North+Walrond+Avenue,+Kansas+City,+MO&hl=en&ll=39.174921,-94.534864&spn=0.039324,0.066175&sll=39.17403,-94.53131&sspn=0.039324,0.066175&geocode=FdyIVQIdG6Zd-ikZCMRTg_nAhzE-9Hve-T8YMQ%3BFWTLVQIdUXFd-in5v3MhufnAhzEIi9wr3UxQiw%3BFbr2VQIdZWld-imHjyhltfnAhzEiMo7aEBXxaw&vpsrc=0&mra=ls&via=1&t=m&z=14
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=3620+N+Lister+Av...
credit to: Ann Gay
http://www.psychiccrimefighter.com/forum/general-2/lisa-irwin-missing-10-4-11-kansas-city-missouri/page_27/#post88968

Hi Ono--I didn't really mean that as a serious question, but in fact some states have reciprocity for those licensed in another state.  I was just being silly but don't tell one of the mods.

Ok, so since this case is already crazy, let me throw this out there. What if Megan found out Lisa's real father wasn't JI, but her [Megan's] boyfriend was the father because she found out DB and he were having an affair? It's been said by others who knew DB that she liked to sleep with other people's husbands/boyfriends. That would give several people a motive to have Lisa disappear.

Hello Monkeys,

On HLN Jean C said Megan said she was walking with her ex in Lisa's neighborhood. I haven't heard that I just heard her say she has been in the area but she never said when.

Monkey hugs

Also wanted to say I wish we knew where DB cell phone pinged at 2:38 am that night

monkey hugs

A noble thought, Kitty Mom.

This comment hit me odd.  It seems the way she is phrasing this is to deny that SHE directly answered her phone when this call came in.  So that would make you think she didn't answer it and let it go to voicemail....until she STATES it was actually answered.  So it must have shown as a 'received' call on her phone/phone bill instead of a missed call. 

I'm sure that if Megan has her phone now (or did before LE took it, if they did), that she could account for where it was at 2:38 in the morning, and if it showed as a received ANSWERED call, she would likely know who it was that was answering it. 

I'm sure the ping info is something LE is holding close ...both on DB's phone AND Megan's.
BTW - does anyone know how long it takes for LE to typically receive ping reports from cell provider companies once requested?

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45014011#45014011

GOOD VIDEO that takes viewer inside the Irwin home, shows where cell phones were said to
have been and fingerprinting and black plastic with duct tape on Baby Lisa's bedroom window.
And box of wine Deborah drank from, woman witness that saw a man with baby at 12:15 a.m.

This Megan Wright belongs to some group she posted about on her FB who commits crimes if I recall. So anything is possible.

Megan Wright: "I told them that I'd been through the neighborhood with my ex-boyfriend," Wright said. "I didn't know the family, didn't recognize the pictures, had never seen baby Lisa until I saw her picture on the news."
(http://i41.tinypic.com/24e2is1.png)
Megan Wright

Sorry if this has been posted ....
 ::snipping2::
 Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that Wright has an association with an extended member of the family, but to their knowledge has never met Deborah, Jeremy, or the couples children

 http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/10/28/lisa-irwin-missing-cell-phone-call-made-from-moms-phone-at-230-am-taco-quotes-donald-trump-kids-under-subpoena/

Sooooo she DOES know someone in the family !

Thanks Blink

 ::MonkeyEek::   Notice Megan Wright's facebook addy  includes jugglette?

Do we now where Megan lives ? Is it anywhere near the dumpster fire?

Monkey hugs

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc419/Mixologist74/MeganWright1.png)
Megan Wright home & distance to Irwin home
(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc419/Mixologist74/MeganWright2.png)
credit: Mixologist74
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=1393&start=250

Interesting!!!

good job Blink

CUSTODY ISSUE
Rasleen Raim is the mother of Blake Irwin, who's father Jeremy, has custody of
IRWIN , JEREMY L , Plaintiff represented by ARNOLD , ROBERT E III , Attorney for Plaintiff
3620 N LISTER AVENUE
KANSAS CITY, MO 64117

ARNOLD PFANSTIEL LLC
525 E KANSAS CITY ROAD
OLATHE, KS 66061
Business: (913) 764-8500


RAIM , RASLEEN , Defendant represented by SAVORY , DOROTHY L , Attorney for Defendant
5900 SOUTH NOLAND AVENUE
KANSAS CITY, MO 64133
P O BOX 300282
KANSAS CITY, MO 64130
Business: (918) 448-3721
https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/parties.do

MW is acquainted with an extended family member?  I do not know what member. 

 ::MonkeyEek::

Could this be the brother to DB?  I apologize if this has been discussed.
http://www.myspace.com/search/people?q=tony+netz

I am curious about TN, his page is very private.  Philly's (MS)is open and very free, but not Tony N's.

http://www.myspace.com/tonizzle71

Megan Wright
the end of the road @ 4707 NE Winn Rd, Kansas City, MO 64117
http://g.co/maps/kb2ny

Thanks Kermit so it's less then a mile  ::MonkeyEek:: makes ya stop and think doesn't it to close for comfort

Okay...so now the ex-BF may be important here.  And was ex-BF not yet an 'ex' the night Lisa disappeared...And did BF take a phone call that night on the girlfriends phone?

So the story is back to both boys were in bed with DB?!? Then how does JI explain his story of going to check on the boys first? ::ghost::

Crazy idea time:  What if all children (up to age 10 or so) were implanted with a microchip?  It would make kidnapping a lot harder.  Missing children could be found quickly.  Those who harm children would have a harder time doing so.  Imagine if Caylee had been implanted with one?  Or Kyron Horman?  It's a creepy idea but despite all the ethical arguments would it be a good idea?

(http://prosthetichead.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/chip1.gif)

Human microchip info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchip_implant_(human) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchip_implant_(human))

Specific RDIF info here:
http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/169 (http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/169)

It's a slippery slope, this subject.  If baby Lisa had been implanted with one she wouldn't still be missing.  If all infants were implanted with one the number of missing child cases would drop dramatically.  But on the other hand it would only be a matter of time until devices were created in order to scan the body for the chip so that it could be removed.  Or other technology would be developed to disable it.  Still, an interesting idea.  But I'm not sure if I like it.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   I know, BB --- I thought what you said  was funny ...  [ am Southern -- we don't take things literally. ]

 

i like the idea of tracking the offender better,im afraid it would make children more fearful
than they already are, the offender should feel the odd man out,and watched ect.

Me, too.

I am still way behind in reading and have to go out for awhile but I wanted to mention that "Megan" (look at the fb address link- it says "juggalette-skittles") If yall remember when the youtube videos were exposed in the Hailey Dunn case, there were videos of "juggalos" and "insane clown posse" content. This could be nothing but that music is extremely weird & graphic/violent content. I think it would tell you a little about someone who is into this stuff. (Megan is into these two groups, google juggalette) Just throwing this out there.... Catch up with yall later :)

I think they should both be done - the kids so we can find them and the same for the offender. Think about the ease in solving a case by proving the offender and the kid were in the same place at the same time! 

behind a few pgs, looks like taco has an out



The second interviews with the children, like their first interviews, would be done with care and that the parents or lawyers would not be allowed in, he said.
 
"It will be set up just like all child interviews are," Young said. "Attorneys and parents will not be around to even watch them. That's just the way it is."
 
Jim Roberts, spokesman for the Clay County prosecutor's office, said his office would not compel the children to be interviewed a second time because the parents are their legal guardians, and as such the parents "are largely in the driver's seat as far as that goes."

Posted on Fri, Oct. 28, 2011 08:28 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/28/3234448/interviews-of-missing-mo-babys.html

yea tracking the kid is good,but not tracking the offender,could end up with a deceased
child by the time you find the child,i didnt read all the lit,so not sure if its in real time tracking

My two cents on putting a chip in children.  I for one would consider it for my own.   But I do not think it would be helpful if the child is taken by a parent or someone in the know.   The person would need to do something horrendous to get rid of the chip.

Having children or pet GPS can be a good thing for most cases.

But, those of us who watch wicked programs, like "Fringe", know that the implants can be removed surgically if suspected.

Sad thought, but these animals can think of just about everything in committing crimes.

I think they broke up around the 23rd of October,IIRC.

::MonkeyHaHa::

I know I'm probably wrong, but I want to be positive.   :cat:

According to comments in this message board this afternoon, the relative of Ms. Wright who has a connection to the Irwins is supposed to be Ms. Wright's ex's father. He is Jeremy Irwin's boss.

So, it's Ms. Wright's ex common-law father-in-law, or something close if she wasn't married and they were bf/gf.

Long shot, but would explain a lot since Jeremy's boss would know his schedule, maybe?

I'm speaking out of my butt, cause this is unconfirmed.

 ::ghost2::

KMBC says, Tacopina may be returning to Kansas City.

kmbc KMBC
NY Consultant May Return To KC To Help In Irwin Case: KMBC's Peggy Breit reports on the dismissal of the Kansas ... bit.ly/uUaCcn (http://bit.ly/uUaCcn)
21 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/kmbc (http://twitter.com/#!/kmbc)

http://www.kmbc.com/video/29619617/detail.html
NY Consultant May Return To KC To Help In Irwin Case
POSTED: 6:30 pm CDT October 28, 2011
UPDATED: 6:32 pm CDT October 28, 2011

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29619617/detail.html#ixzz1c7sDpVO2

Be positive for both of us,I am all out of positive in this case........ ::MonkeyNoNo::

God this is getting confusing to me...hehehe.
The cell phone gal is a real hoot.... ::ghost::

Is anyone going to up date the who's who thread?  Maybe with a map of where they live, so we can refer back to it???? ::MonkeyAngel::

MHO..All these people now being added to the mix, ex boyfriends, bosses semi daughter's  in law..however you want to phrase it..are all red herrings.

I do believe that something happened to baby Lisa in the home that night while only her mother and step brothers were present.  Since everything seemed fine at 10:30 when Debbie claims to have gone to bed herself..then that only leaves two options ..a stranger abduction..or Debbie is lying and the baby was already dead.

Sorry..I can't get around Debbie's story it is too pat..and now these other people thrown in..I just think that the baby died due to illness or over medication or over punishment for not sleeping and being fussy.  Debbie was drunk, didn't mean for that to happen ..and the rest takes it's course.  Maybe she called a friend to help ..maybe that call was to set up an excuse ..and set the friend up..who knows. 

What I do think is this baby is not with us anylonger..and Debbie knows what happened and what transpired after..they need to use a truth serium on her..lie detector test need to go..the technology is old and flawed..truth seriums work every time..too bad the government won't approve them for LE..

And I feel like DB is a no soul loser like CA ...  ::boxingcasey2::

Do we know if JI was working by himself that night?  Never heard.
 ::MonkeyEek::

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::  I am all for waterboarding at this point ::MonkeyMad::

Just let Debbie in a room with Tamikosmom for 15 minutes and the the truth will be forthcoming.  Ask my eldest son about his mother's interrogation techniques when was a teenager ... a teenager who humbled his parents.  It wasn't truth serium.  There was no physical torture.  It was THE LOOK that worked every time.

Janet

Good Night Monkeys ... Monkeys who care.

Janet
6:40 PM PT

After viewing video's this is what I am coming up for the layout of the home.

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/HomelayoutofIrwins3026-1.jpg)

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15902698/tina-porter-turned-away-in-efforts-to-assist-baby-lisas-parents


Tina Porter turned away in efforts to assist baby Lisa's parents


Tina Porter's attempts to speak with the parents of missing baby Lisa Irwin were rebuffed Friday night.

Porter went to the home where Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin are staying in an attempt to offer her insight and assistance.

Porter was told to speak to an attorney for Irwin and Bradley about her desire to offer assistance. Porter left the home but then went back up to determine which attorney she should contact.

The police were then called. Porter had left the neighborhood by the time officers arrived, but Porter was outraged Friday night.





Call the cops because a Lady wants to help you but don't talk to the cops about finding your baby.

 ::MonkeyShovel:: somebody is about to get burried in  this investigation, seems like DB thought she was smart but in  reality, mistakes were made and now something is about to go down, thats why, IMO they arent giving interviews and they wont let the kids either, they know LE knows something, and you can bet its a lot more then we do, I believe within the next few days we will somebody take a ride in the backseat......

So they came in the computer room and turned all the lights on - stole the baby and 3 cell phones... r i g h t ::monkeydenied::

Which faces the street........

Of course thats what happened..........just like their cell phones didnt work and so after the perp, stole their phones he paid their bill too so he could send out texts and make a phone call........just like she forgot she went to the store to buy some wine until video from the store reminded her.........just like she forgot what time she put the baby to bed........just like she doesnt know if she passed out or not......just like she put her sick baby in anothe room and closed the door, but allowed the 5 year old and a damn stray cat to sleep with her instead......yep.....believe every word of this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tina Porter turned away in efforts to assist baby Lisa's parents
www.kctv5.com
Tina Porter's attempts to speak with the parents of missing baby Lisa Irwin were rebuffed Friday night..
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kctv5.com%2Fstory%2F15902698%2Ftina-porter-turned-away-in-efforts-to-assist-baby-lisas-parents&h=JAQEBEHuNAQF7BLqAPe13blioSzCYw1yb_qWwhO_K3Yvm3Q

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-metro-families-weigh-in-on-behavior-of-baby-lisas-parents-20111028,0,2553210.story
Metro Families Weigh in on Behavior of Baby Lisa's Parents
Tess Koppelman, FOX 4 News - Facebook Sarah Clark, Interactive Content Producer - Facebook
5:05 p.m. CDT, October 28, 2011
KANSAS CITY, Mo.—
It really is a parent's worst nightmare when a child goes missing. It's hard to know how you'd react, but parents who have been through it say there are a few things about baby Lisa's parents' behavior that make them scratch their heads.

From the second 18-year-old Kelsey Smith got kidnapped by a stranger four years ago, her parents, Greg and Missey Smith, jumped into action, passing out fliers and making public pleas for help.

"I know it was extremely important to us to stay in front of the media and keep Kelsey's name out there," Greg said.

Kelsey's mother Missey said she's not the kind of person who likes attention, but when it came to her daughter, that didn't matter.

"I'm not a person who likes to be in front of the camera," she said, "but if it meant bringing my child home then that's what I did.  You stay out there and keep pushing."
 ::snipping2::

JeaneneKCTV5 Jeanene Kiesling
New York private investigator Bill Stanton is back in KC. The family is packing up a mini van- the latest on KCTV5 @10
9 minutes ago

Jeanene Kiesling
JeaneneKCTV5 Jeanene Kiesling
Tina Porter's husband killed their son and daughter. RT @drfessel: @JeaneneKCTV5 Who is Tina Porter?
59 minutes ago

Jeanene Kiesling
JeaneneKCTV5 Jeanene Kiesling
Baby Lisa's family calls the cops on Tina Porter- your help is not wanted! See Porters reaction tonight on KCTV5@10!
1 hour ago

http://twitter.com/#!/JeaneneKCTV5 (http://twitter.com/#!/JeaneneKCTV5)

OT but WOW Tina Porter's story sounds VERY much like the story of the Skelton boys...

woodsiecam Woodsie
The two "decoy cars" that were in the #LisaIrwin family caravan returned to the Walrond house within seconds of departing.
3 minutes ago

Woodsie
woodsiecam Woodsie
NY's Bill Stanton just packed up #LisaIrwin's family and took off in a caravan including what appeared to be two decoy cars. #BabyLisa
5 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)

uhhh....you can bet if they do try to leave they wont make it far, Im sure they are being watched be LE and they will know right where they are, someone is about to get arrested and they know it!

Yep.. Something is about to go down...

#
The family packed up a minivan and left the area, we're not sure where they were heading
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:02 PM

#
Private Investigator Bill Stanton, who has represented the Irwin family in the past, returned to Kansas City tonight
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:02 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c8VZLthE

::rhino::

woodsiecam Woodsie
Bill Stanton had been helping the family load pillows and blankets into the #LisaIrwin family van before the caravan took off #BabyLisa
1 minute ago

http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam (http://twitter.com/#!/woodsiecam)

One has to wonder... who is paying for all that, and why?

I'm wondering what is a decoy car.

Baazz had decoy cars for Casey Anthony..

My guess would be Taco has a hand in it and a decoy car is so if someone is trying to follow them they can all go seperate ways and keep the person following them from knowing which vehicle they are in....its to fool someone so they can get away.

Bill Stanton might be sitting in a jail cell next to the parents if he's trying to help them skip town.  I have a feeling LE is tightening the noose.

Thanks Jerseygirl and Higherhopes.

Hope tells me that maybe Lisa was found and needs her parents.

Common sense tells me they may be going on a weekend trip for an out-of-town interview, or something.

(http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/28/2d6fe025-0d03-4dad-aab2-54d72122bfc2_400.jpg)
Private Investigator Bill Stanton leaves the home with the Irwins, whereabouts unknown
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com via mobile 10:08 PM

The family left in a convoy of several vehicles
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 10:

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1c8ZyfZGw

Your welcome.......and I think they are just trying to buy time.........no need to go anywhere if baby Lisa was found, that would be good news and would be broadcasted throughout the nation..........something is about to go down and I bet it will be soon.......someone is getting arrested!!!imo

Bill Stanton reminds me of Emeril Lagasse. I wonder if he can cook.

http://www.kmbc.com/r/29621147/detail.html
Private Investigator Returns, Baby Lisa’s Family Leaves
Stay With KMBC.com For Baby Lisa Updates

POSTED: 10:16 pm CDT October 28, 2011

Stanton returned to the home on North Walrond Ave. just before 10 p.m. Shortly after arriving he left with the family in a convoy of at least four vehicles.

Their destination was not know.

Stanton's appearance came hours after Kansas City attorney Cyndy Short confirmed that she was no longer representing baby Lisa's parents. It appeared their only representation was Joe Tacopina out of New York.

Stay with KMBC 9 News for updates.

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29621147/detail.html#ixzz1c8bqjasm

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Moments after private investigator Bill Stanton returned to Kansas City to see the family of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin, the family left a relative’s home in a convoy of vehicles with Stanton.

Stanton returned to the home on North Walrond Ave. just before 10 p.m. Shortly after arriving he left with the family in a convoy of at least four vehicles.

Their destination was not know.

continued..

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29621147/detail.html#ixzz1c8bprK8g

I wish the parents would come clean with LE if it was an accident. No need to waste resources that can be used to help other people, if there is no need for it.

Though, anything that happened to Lisa may be the result of negligence or abuse and they can loose custody of the other two.

Maybe that is what's keeping them from talking.

that and the jail time they are about to do...imo

Blankets and pillows? For a long road trip or maybe an RV or boat? Motels have those things.

Could something have happened in family dynamics where they are staying? Way too much info coming out at once. I wouldn't want them there, in my house.

ARE THE BOYS WITH THEM?

Jerseygirl345  i found this one,i dont know for sure if its right,looks pretty much like yours

http://media.photobucket.com/image/lisa%20irwin%20home/zed0101/lisa_floorplan_final.jpg

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Police asked FOX 4 crews what happened and they told them that Porter had left after trying two time to speak with the family. After the porch light was turned off on her, she was discouraged from any more attempts.

Police then left and shortly after, family consultant Bill Stanton Showed up. A few minutes later he and others packed up a minivan. Once that was done, Jeremy Irwin, Deborah Bradley, their two boys and other family members left in a caravan to an unknown location.

And that's how day 25 ended, and still no sign of baby Lisa.


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Osppps forgot link..

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-baby-lisas-parents-call-cops-on-tina-porter-take-off-with-bill-stanton-20111028,0,1271688.story

i was afraid that would happen,just like josh powell,get the out of dodge

yes......they are just running scared, something is about to come down here soon........and it must have something to do with the breakin  news today about the cell phone call......they know they have been found out.....imo

As far as I could see there was no bathroom in between Parents an baby Lisa's room..

IMO, pillows and blankets for a road trip to the lake where they will be housed by a national network and be paid for an interview. 

Turning Tina Porter away like that is contemptible, to call the police on her is abhorrent and all but screams guilt.  It's the Anthony clan all over again only this one seems more prepared.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am so sad right now for those little boys.  Their little worlds are about to be turned upside down.  Just breaks my heart. 

I agree..

And who can they go to for comfort if their own mother REFUSES to talk to them about it. Surely they have fears and questions.

when i read this morn about the boys interview cancelled, i just knew the irwins
would prob leave,didnt think they would till sat. or sun.,guess the phone cal news
moved up the trip,what a shame,i feel so bad for the boys

::MonkeyDevil::

I really thought the Anthony family was the oddest things I'd ever seen.  I'm really afraid they were just the tip of the iceberg. 
 ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::
I am mad as he77 and heartbroken for Tina Porter....here is the vid of the crap that went down today, I so wanna bit@ch slap the egg/sperm donor

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-baby-lisas-parents-call-cops-on-tina-porter-take-off-with-bill-stanton-20111028,0,1271688.story

I thought it might be to catch a red eye for a National (pay me $$$$$$$ for pictures of my child I refuse to call by name ) interview also. Do we have a bitch slapping monkey....pls ::HelloKitty::

Not defending the family, but is it possible that they had no clue who she was?  Did she identify herself as being the mother of missing/murdered children?  Had someone in the home invited her to stop by? 

I think she and the atty that was interviewed had solid points.  This family is not endearing themselves to the community at all.

::HelloKitty:: A red eye is also a good thought, the downtown airport is a short drive if they're taking a private plane.

At the very least those little boys needs someone to talk to that can help with deal with the unknown and the fears that have.  Can you imagine being that young in this mess?  They probably think some bad guy is going to come in the night and take them away.  Those parents should be seeking counseling for the boys.  Common sense tells you that. 

I have a 7 yr old and this is exactly what he would be thinking.

 ::rhino::

There is very little, if any, community support for them.  In fact, I about hit a curb when tacky joe was here and one of the local radio guys called him a scumbag lawyer on air.  There wasn't much sympathy for them beyond the first few days and it got even worse when tacky joe and wild bill hit town and tried to play king.  Even people I was certain would take a wait and see attitude believe DB is guilty of killing Baby Lisa, the only question is intentionally or accidentally.

I dont know for a fact but I can bet you she did introduce herself and what had happened to her children, after all she knows all about what goes on during this kind of investigation and so she most certainly let them know she was there because of her story....These people are just jackasses and they know something is about to happen and it aint gonna be good for them. I wish LE would Hurry up and make their move, poor baby Lisa, once again the missing baby is being pushed to the side because of the actions of these parents......makes me sick!

Not surprising....the first interview a red flag flew up in my face. I had no idea you were local...I can't imagine having Tacop@nis in my area, I would have to stay away from him, brakes on my car ar bad IYKWIM.

I know exactly WYM.  He knows it now too, I have a sneaking suspicion that he ran out of town so quickly the first time because LE let him know who was boss  ::MonkeyGavel::

kansas city kansas is 10m from the irwin home and there are plenty of small airports
for private planes
http://g.co/maps/5qkn2

kcpoliceKansas City Police

We have cleared 934 tips and leads in the Lisa Irwin case. We have received 1059.

11 hours ago
http://twitter.com/#!/kcpolice (http://twitter.com/#!/kcpolice)

Hi Kermit - I would REALLY appreciate it if you hear anything more about that black plastic that you'd let us (me) know.  I'm coming undone (well not really) trying to find out if that garbage bag was duct taped up there when the police first arrived - or - if they put it up or media put it up for some reason.  Thank you so much in advance!

:)

Live Wire: Search Continues For Missing 11-Month Old LIVE Continuous updates on the search for Lisa Irwin


 ::MonkeyEek::

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cAeit8ou

Moments after private investigator Bill Stanton returned to Kansas City to see the family of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin, the family left a relative’s home in a convoy of vehicles with Stanton

Stanton returned to the home on North Walrond Ave. just before 10 p.m.  Shortly after arriving he left with the family in a convoy of at least four vehicles.

http://livewire.kmbc.com/


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cAeft9cl


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1cAeZtQFv
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=1393&sid=ed49ad011c2c511da4f65d5b361357dc&start=700

The part that confirms for me that something happened to Lisa that the parents know about is this turning away of Tina Porter. When I lost my son, I sought out other people that knew what I was feeling. Most people do seek out people that know their feelings. The fact that the family will not talk to someone that knows what it is like to be missing a child without knowing what happened, makes me think they do not feel a kinship with her. MOO.

 ::rhino::

Same here.  ::rhino::

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpps/news/baby-lisa%27s-parents-call-police-on-visitor-dpgonc-km-20111029_15703735
Baby Lisa's Parents Call Police On Visitor
Updated: Saturday, 29 Oct 2011, 9:12 AM EDT
Published : Saturday, 29 Oct 2011, 9:12 AM EDT
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Tina Porter, whose own children were missing for three years, twice knocked on Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin's door Friday, but was denied entry and told to contact the couple through its legal team.

"I said, 'I'm Tina Porter, I want to speak to Jeremy and Deborah'," Porter told reporters, adding that she was told, "Well, you can go through their attorney."

Porter's children, Sam and Lindsey, disappeared in 2004. Her ex-husband eventually confessed to killing the kids.

After her offer to help was rejected, Porter warned Lisa Irwin's parents they risk alienating the community following their daughter's Oct. 4 disappearance from her crib.

"When this is all over and said and done, and whatever happens with Lisa, if they expect the community to wrap their arms around them, I think they got another thing coming," she said.

Officers briefly attended the property after a call from Bradley and Irwin.

The family's consultant, former New York City police officer Bill Stanton, later whisked the family away to an unknown location in a minivan.
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I wish we would hurry and hear something about their location, it would make me feel alot better if I knew LE knew where they went to or the media or someone....this is makin me crazy, I know LE has to wait till al their ducks are in a row to move forward I just feel like something is up with DB and they need to go ahead and do whatever they are planning...

  I too had to take a break after the Caylee Anthony case but this case has me fired up just the same..but let me comment on the link that was posted about an Old Neighbor of hers back in Ft. Bragg I'm a military wife and let me just say this that if all this of what this woman claims happen to be true the MP's which stands for Military Police would have been involved.  I also have a personal feeling about this and that is saying that these claims are soooo outlandish not to say that I SUPPORT Lisa or Jeremy in any way just that this is just TO MUCH to be true feeling...anyways I"m ranting just wanted to point out that if claims were true MP's would have been involved and would have shared reports with the Police on this case and in turn sure would have been leaked to the press by now.  Okay back to my rafters..

It's good to see you post Rowanvamp!  You should come down from the rafters more often.  Thank you for your insight as a military wife. 

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/10/28/lisa-irwin-missing-cell-phone-call-made-from-moms-phone-at-230-am-taco-quotes-donald-trump-kids-under-subpoena/#comments


Lisa Irwin Missing: Cell Phone Call Made From Mom’s Phone At 2:30 AM, Taco Quotes Donald Trump, Kids Under Subpoena


I was reading B's interesting comments....

 ::MonkeyDevil::     [ Emeril is cuter ]

Isn't that the truth ???      ::MonkeyEek::

Judge Jeanine (Fox) will find out (tonight), where the canavan is located, IMO, she will find them.  :)

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/justice-jeanine/index.html

 ::MonkeyCool::   Yeah - I can hardly wait for her show.  She is as sharp as a tack!

At least Hailey Dunn's mother allowed Marc Klaas and Carrie McGonigle to come in and offer support and advice,  It is interesting to note that none of the major search groups, Texas Equusearch, Laura's Recovery, have not become involved at all in this case.

Hindsight is 20/20, but this is another reason why I questioned why CPS had not become involved in this case.  A grand jury can subpoena a witness, in this case the two boys, but it does no good if they can't be found.  

BTW - in support waterboarding the parents, too, and if that doesn't work, turn Tamikosmom loose on them.  Whatever it takes! ::witch2::
Edit-fix typo (Hailey) MB

 http://www.kmbc.com/video/29624432/detail.html

Local attorney was working for free.  Taco and Wild Bill, also?  Two donors put up $100,000 for reward?

Someone, up the power pyramid, has major connections. Maybe JI's boss?

I have an uncomfortable feeling some in KC do not want any more digging around by LE. You never know what or who you might dig up in the northland. Lots of skeletons buried there and not just for Halloween.

  TY MB  am workinf on a tablet and it is almost like reading braille.

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58991&page=9

Minty Fresh  Post 265   A hat tip to Minty for her digging. :)

Judge Jeanine is also tactful and lady-like.  I admire her, you don't need to be nasty, to get the job done.

So, if the kids are subject to an investigative subpoena, and they've been taken into hiding (I'm sure LE is watching) can't the parents be charged with impeding an investigation?  But then again, maybe LE is getting their ducks in a row so that those taken into custody won't have any wiggle room.  It's time for the truth to come out and little Lisa to be found.  I start steaming thinking that there might be another little one throw out like garbage.   

http://www.kmbc.com/r-video/29624432/detail.html
Baby Lisa: Stanton's Back, Family Leaves
KC Attorney Removed From Case

POSTED: 9:32 am CDT October 29, 2011

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/video/29624432/detail.html#ixzz1cBmErgAb

Does anyone recall the name of the website for tracking down airplane flight information?

I love Jenine too! I hate to "compare" this with another case but my bets are they are headed for the "Big Apple"......

On this facebook page it states that a relative of the Irwins has said he was gonna be in NY this weekend, also so has Ashley said that she would be Out of Town......guess it just might be true that the Irwins are gonna be in New York maybe doing and interview,.......this is about to make me mad if that is whats going on!!!!!

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Justice-for-Lisa-Irwin/290185081005988

Perhaps if you google "flight itinerary" it may help...just guessing.

http://www.kmbc.com/video/29624432/detail.html#ixzz1cBmErgAb
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Phillip Netz (Debbie's younger brother
http://www.facebook.com/phillynetz?sk=photos
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David Lee Netz Jr.
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http://www.facebook.com/daveycrockett101

posted on David Lee Netz Jr. FB
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POSTS UNDER PHOTO: (DEBORAH BRADLY IS DEBORAH NETZ) i posted her FB link on an earlier pg.



Deborah Netz Poor lil Lisa..knocked out before she can even get dressed lol
March 23 at 8:21pm

David Lee Netz Jr. yeah lol. Grandpas Little Angel. :)
March 23 at 9:23pm

Peggy Bradley Bowers a little salt & pepper & I could just eat her up!
April 13 at 7:17pm ·  1 person


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POSTS:
Bill Roach OK. Who is the baby? ?
March 21 at 6:01pm

David Lee Netz Jr. It's my grand daughter Lisa. She is my daughter Debbie's baby. :)
March 21 at 6:10pm ·  1 person

Cindy Chivalette LeRette Precious! Are you boring her or is the sun in her eyes?! lol
March 22 at 9:35am

David Lee Netz Jr. lol. She was asleep after her Daddy feed her. Hehehe :)
March 22 at 10:24am

Deborah Netz Awww my mini me so tired after stuffing her face LOL! When are you gonna come over again and make me dinner?!



Cindy Chivalette LeRette
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1371879346

::HelloKitty::
http://flightaware.com/

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Deborah Bradley and Aunt Cindy Chivalette LeRette