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Here's the list of locked Lisa Irwin threads:

#1  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12149.0

#2  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12175.0

#3  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12176.0

#4  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12213.0

#5  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12236.0

#6  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12266.0

Various Lisa Irwin threads:

News Links  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12191.0

Timelines  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12352.0

Photos and Social Network links for people involved in this case  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12179.0

Area Maps, Videos, Youtubes & Tweets  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12180.0

Documents in the case  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12178.0

Who's Who in the case  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12177.0

Transcripts  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12184.0

Police Dispatch Tapes  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12185.0

I keep going back to this little bit of information bc, by his own account, he said he & Samantha decided to try a trial separation the night of Lisa's disappearance. He was gone all night. This guy has said he stayed at a friend's house but I also thought I read that he stayed at his parents' house. So which is it? Please note that he PASSED a poly (according to media reports)...

(http://truecrimeandastrology.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Lisa-Irwin.png)

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980729068

Snipped:
The person picked out of the police lineup is reported to be the husband of Samantha Brando. Deborah Bradley is reported to have been getting drunk with Samantha Brando the night baby Lisa vanished. These are just too many connections to ignore. It's strange that the person identified carrying a baby matching Lisa's description is the husband of someone who got inebriated with the child's mother that night.

Are any of these connections just coincidences?

Just because I LOVE this picture sooo much...Here ya go!

(http://www.urbanchristiannews.com/ucn/lisa-irwin-LAWYERS.jpg)

This article is from last month but the comparison given is pretty interesting:

(http://sharing.wptv.com/sharekshb//photo/2011/10/05/lisaIRWIN_20111005141849_320_240.JPG)

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/criminal-profiler-pat-brown-compares-baby-lisa-irwin-case-to-other-child-abductions

Criminal profiler Pat Brown compares Baby Lisa Irwin case to other child abductions
Posted: 10/21/2011
Chris Hernandez, KSHB

Snipped:
Brown also points to another blog post , comparing the Irwin case to a very similar one in 2007 at Fort Bragg, when Bradley was apparently living there with her first husband.

"That is very concerning, certainly she should have known about it," said Brown.

That case had an open window, with a missing screen, and an 11-month-old baby taken from its bedroom.


The blog post in reference in the snippet is this link: http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/10/missing-child-case-deja-vu.html

Thanks titch! 

Anytime Muffy!

Hmmm...

(http://cdn.newsoxy.com/2011/10/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-e1318424676131.jpg)

VS

(http://media.kval.com/images/100630_Terri_Horman.jpg)

Throw everything in to disorient an investigation in the future.
It worked...................................................for now.

This case will be solved..... ::rhino::

I really hope it comes to pass that Lisa Irwin's case will be solved, pharlap. 

One thing just dawned on me, we know that investigators took purple shorts in their search warrant, but what about the purple shirt with kittens on it? Somebody was spotted with a baby that was only in a diaper. If it were really Lisa, then where's the shirt? Remember that somebody found something in the woods with kittens on it, but it was said to maybe be a blanket...or no? It was said to be a light color, like white or ivory with kittens on it. Well could it have actually been a lavender shirt with kittens instead of a dark purple of sorts? Just speculating... Here's some old but useful info:

Something I noticed is that in this surveillance video, Debbie is NOT looking around at cameras trying to be seen as was previously stated in media articles. I feel stupid & should have looked at it myself instead of taking their word for it. Debra & her brother DON'T look upset at all, or even worried, like Brittany Smith did when that Walmart video caught her & the dude that she fled with after he killed her mother. Debbie, in this video & imo, doesn't look upset at all. If something had happened to Lisa before Deb went shopping, I'd think some sort of distress would show in her gait or facial appearance.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/baby-lisa-missing-10-days-surveillance-911-tapes-obtained-video


Link to article:
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/baby-lisa-missing-10-days-surveillance-911-tapes-obtained

Baby Lisa missing 10 days – surveillance, 911 tapes obtained
Isabelle Zehnder, Missing Persons Examiner
October 13, 2011

Snipped:
ABC News reports Thursday that Debbi was seen leaving the store with a young man smiling.

A family spokesperson said the young man is Debbi’s brother.

A Festival Foods store clerk said during an ABC News interview, “They seem very nice, always happy-go-lucky. Every time I asked about the kids they would always pop up with ‘Oh, yeah, they’re doing great, they’re doing good’.”

News Consultant and former FBI Special Agent Brad Garrett said, “She doesn’t look depressed. She seems to be walking with a normal gait.”

If anything, ABC News said, it exonerates her from the standpoint that she’s being normal and acting normal.


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The police dispatcher said: “He noticed his screen is busted and his 10-month-old daughter is missing. He advised that he didn’t witness anything and don’t know how long she’s been gone.”

The call was made 10 days ago and since then there have been few solid leads in the case. Police have scoured wooded areas and fields close to the family’s home. They search for baby Lisa has included hundreds of officers, some rappelling down steep embankments, searching from the air, water, and land. They’ve brought in search dog teams and have searched on ATVs, horseback, and on foot. They’ve gone door-to-door around the neighborhood multiple times. And yet they still have no solid lead as to where Lisa is or what happened the night she went missing.

ABC’s Abbie Bourdeau said the family home sits empty and Lisa’s family said they will never move back home.


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Lisa is described as a 30-inch tall, blonde hair, blue eyed baby girl with two front teeth who isn’t yet walking. She was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with kittens on it. She has a beauty mark on her right outer thigh.

Me too.

Ya know, this case is sort of like Kyron's case. I know this is just my opinion & it might not matter much, but every single time I try to play devil's advocate to search other routes or prospects, the road always leads back to Debra no matter how many forks are in the road.

Pharlap, you are sooo right honey...

Interesting I didn;t read much on this:

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16012022/interviews-with-brothers

Baby Lisa's half brothers interviewed about missing sister
Posted: Nov 10, 2011 5:36 PM EST
Updated: Nov 11, 2011 1:12 PM EST
By DeAnn Smith, Digital Content Manager
By Jeanene Kiesling, Reporter

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The boys, ages five and 8 years old, were first interviewed in the hours after their sister went missing. The younger boy was interviewed for 30 minutes while the older boy was interviewed for 50 minutes, police have said.

Snipped:
Police had then sought a second interview with the boys after investigators had gathered more information. They also sought their DNA to compare it to DNA in the home.

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Bill Stanton, a New York private detective who is serving as a spokesman for baby Lisa's parents, said Thursday night that Bradley and Irwin continue to cooperate with investigators. He said the interviews with the two boys occurred voluntarily.

He said he does not believe the boys will offer any critical information that could break the case open, but said the interviews could only help the case. He said one of the boys heard a "tapping" noise during the hours in question.

Bradley says the two boys fell asleep with her but Irwin's son went to his bed during the night. The older boy was in his bed when Irwin came home, he has said. The younger boy was with his mother who has said she drank five to 10 glasses of wine and passed out after 10:30 p.m. Oct. 3.

(http://www.lisa-irwin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/poster.jpg)

WAIT A MINUTE!

Does Lisa have reddish hair?

Debra has blonde hair & Jeremy has dark brown hair.

I'd like to know if it's a proven fact that Jeremy is the bio daddy...

It was said that a sighting of Lisa was approximately 3 houses away from her home. Who was the person / neighbor that made that call? Here's a neighbor search of 3620 N Lister, Kansas City, MO:

http://www.411.com/search/FindNeighbors?street=3620+N+Lister&where=Kansas+City%2C+MO

Sorry for not being up to speed on this case, but are the boys both back at the home with DB and JI?   TIA

No idea. I hope not...

Just to be thorough, I'd still like to know if there's a way to find out if anybody's lost a baby in utero or right after birth in the past 6 months to 1.5 years. Are there any negligence charges or suits against any area hospitals during this time? I'm wondering if there's a way to search perinatal deaths. Sometimes ppd related to perinatal death can be even harder the handle than a normal ppd...if any ppd would be considered normal. I'm just hoping beyond all hope that somebody really did take Lisa bc they wanted a baby so badly to love, cherish and care for.

Anyway, what would I search? Would it be obits? If so, I don't really think it lists the death as inutero...or does it? How would I be able to locate court cases without going through every single one individually?

Thanks, Titch!

Hmmm, this is a blog but it's pretty darn interesting. Any monkeys seen this yet?

List of who we know have been confirmed to have been over Deb's house Oct 3rd:
Debra
Jeremy
Lisa
Son 1
Son 1
Deb's brother Phillip
Samantha Brando
Samantha's child
the Beardsley dude

Please note Jeremy's "cheating wife" remark... Also note that Sharon didn;t text her husband til the morning after she woke up

http://digitaljournal.com/blog/13545

Since Samantha & her husband James seperated that night, doesn't anybody find it odd that she didn't just stay home with their kid to watch a movie, play a game, something that gives undivided attention to their child? When did Samantha text James saying "I love you"? Wasn't it a little after 10:00 pm? Well if she could text him that late & they were obviously on speaking terms, then why didn't she call or text him right away when Jeremy ran next doo to see if Lisa was at their house? Even though it was like 4:00 in the morning, with a missing child's life at stake who the heck thinks of the time? Make the freaking phone call! So, when did she let her husband know? Why would Jeremy answer that question like that, those choice of words? Did Deb cheat? Did Samantha cheat? If so, did they cheat with a man...or a woman? Does it even matter? Probably not, but if either are involved with the other then it could give credence to what Jeremy said. What an odd choice of words...

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1116796#post1116796

Michelle121, Post 394 - Post at the Bottom of Page 

Hat Tip to Michelle121!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

whoops! I meant son # 2.

Hi Monkey's,

Titch, I find it ODD!

I also find it odd to leave a five year old and a eight year old, alone, for the evening.  Boy's would tear down the house.

Holy Moly, to leave two boys alone for five minutes, it is chaos.  I do not believe the boys were unsupervised.

How did the boys get their baths, night time stories or a evening snack? 

Did they just go to school, in the same clothes they slept in?  I wonder...

The whole evening sounds bazaar. I would guess the baby was DOA by 6:30 PM, when she said she put the baby to bed.

Another addition... I think Samantha's daughter is Maria.

I guess she's not back with her husband bc she posted that she and maria "will be there"  for Thanksgiving dinner but omitted James' name...unless he has other plans that keep them apart?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Samantha-Rook-Brando/597638221#!/events/238325286226634/
http://www.facebook.com/events/238325286226634/
Quote:
Samantha Rook Brando
Maria and I will be there!
LikeUnlike ·  · Yesterday at 1:43pm

One more interesting thing and then I'm done bc I feel terrible as I don't believe any of these Brandos are involved in Lisa's disappearance, only trying to be thorough... I still keep going back to Debbie, just sayin'...

According to James' FB profile, he informs this:
Quote:
Work and Education
.Employers Sprint
Electronice Surveillance · Aug 2006 to present · Overland Park, Kansas.United States Air Force
Security Police/Security Forces · Jun 2002 to present.


According to Sprint's site, the job description is as follows:
http://www.aftercollege.com/job/41855817/
Quote:
Electronic Surveillance Technician,
Sprint | OVERLAND PARK, Kansas
Work Type Full time

Job Description

In this critical role of an Electronic Surveillance Technician, you will be responsible for ensuring compliance in this area, which includes 7x24 Law Enforcement Agency (LEA) hotlines used by LEAs for emergencies involving hostage situations, kidnappings and national emergencies. You will coordinate the receipt, processing and response to legal demands received from LEAs and courts for customer records, pen registers and wiretaps.



Your responsibilities will include analyzing law enforcement-generated court orders to determine completeness, assess validity and determine the nature and scope of the request. You will also assist in the implementation and maintenance of court ordered electronic surveillance (i.e. wiretap, pen-register, and trap and trace), handset location tracking a customer requested malicious call trace. You will provide appropriate data for billing law enforcement the cost of providing electronic surveillance. You may be required to provide after-hours call screening by handling non-emergency call requests as well as coordinate switch translation initiation for establishing electronic surveillance. You will report to a Supervisor.
? High school diploma or equivalent

? Experience in security, law or surveillance
Sprint is a great place to work for people who want to make a difference. We're at the center of a challenging and changing industry where every day is a growth opportunity. Diverse thought and backgrounds are highly valued. If you're up for a challenge, Sprint is the place to build your career and your character.

Sprint is an Equal Opportunity Employer and has been recognized for its commitment to diversity and creating an inclusive workplace where all employees' backgrounds, talents and contributions are valued.

We are proud to be a drug free employer.
 

Additional Information


Recruiter
Overland Park, KS 66251

So basically he has the knowledge base of cloning & gps, among other chit.

Has it been confirmed that the medicine Deborah was on was Effexor? If so, I stand by what I said previously, that even if she took it in the morning, the stronger effects might have tapered off by late afternoon but the drug would still be in her system, therefore she shouldn't be drinking any kind of alcohol at all until she's off her meds for 3 weeks or more. It could have caused an complete adverse reaction or compiled a normal side effect to the drug.

?  is this in regards to MW and Dane rumor of beings half siblings?  I only see yr of birth on case.net so curious which one - one for 1991 birth yr traffic violation?

And it is even more interesting that these are the characters that are not talking to media or talking very little at this point.  Shane, Samantha, Phil, James, and Jeremy are key imo to DB that night.

http://global.christianpost.com/news/baby-lisa-irwin-missing-essential-witness-returns-to-kansas-city-to-answer-police-questions-62145/
Thu, Nov. 17 2011 09:13 AM EDT
Baby Lisa Irwin Missing: Essential Witness Returns to Kansas City to Answer Police Questions
By Justin L. Ayoub | Christian Post Contributor
The man who allegedly had the phone that received a mysterious call from Lisa's mother's cellphone the night the toddler went missing returned to Kansas City.
Kansas City Private Investigator Ron Rugen told the Examiner that Dane Greathouse returned home after being away for a week.

Greathouse was away on a hunting trip and came back Wednesday night. He was not aware police wanted to question him, according to the report.

"We’d like to talk to him. He’s not a suspect, just another person we believe might have some information we can use," said Kansas City Police Capt. Steven Young of the witness on Monday. "Nothing more, or different from the long list of people we’ve spoken to."
 ::snipping2::

Levi_Page Levi Page
Tonight @ 9 ET Private Investigator Ron Rugen is on the show to discuss the #BabyLisa #LisaIrwin (#post_BabyLisa#LisaIrwin) case! Listen at: blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2011/… (http://blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2011/…)
3 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/17/baby-lisa-update-mystery-phone-call-to-megan-wright-reveals-new-twists-and-turns-that-could-hurt-familys-defense/
2:58 pm ET November 17, 2011
BABY LISA UPDATE: Mystery Phone Call to Megan Wright Reveals New Twists and Turns That Could Hurt Family’s Defense
by America Live Posted in: Baby Lisa, Deborah Bradley, Jeremy Irwin, Lisa Irwin, Megan Wright, Ron Rugen   

Video at link.

Let us see, if Levi comments on this tonight. His radio program can replayed the following day, I believe.  I was waiting for P.H. to bite onto this...it is questionable... ::MonkeyEek::

I really don't see the relevence in this phone call/number mumbo-jumbo.  Seeing as Megan may have only had said phone for a month LE still has the Irwin/Bradley phone records for at least year, wouldn't LE have tracked all numbers on said phones to and from where the calls were placed?

I realize said owners of the phones may have let others use and it would be a tedious job trying to connect the dots but if Megan does have a connection to the Bradleys her previous phone # may appear, or say a connection to Dane, Jersey or others.

If this was a random abduction and say Dane was the middle man for a trade-off it certainly seems the clowns weren't all that well prepared......had to steal a phone to make connections, perp had to walk out of the area in the middle of the night with supposed nearly un-clad baby, to what meet up with someone to hand the baby off to.  Maybe it is all that simple ........Just so many possiblities!

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/17/baby-lisa-update-mystery-phone-call-to-megan-wright-reveals-new-twists-and-turns-that-could-hurt-familys-defense/

The call that was placed from Deborah Bradley’s phone at 11:57 p.m. to Megan Wright prompted the Irwin family’s defense attorney to claim the call could prove Lisa’s parents’ innocence. According to defense counsel, neither Bradley nor fiancee Jeremy Irwin had called Wright’s number before that night. Therefore, they claim evidence strongly suggested that it was an intruder who made the mysterious call.

However, revelations discovered by private investigator Ron Rugen may prove otherwise. After speaking to several eyewitnesses and people residing in Wright’s home at the time of Lisa’s disappearance, Wright had only had that particular phone and phone number for about a month before the baby vanished. Rugen says this could mean that her number changed when she got the new phone, in which case, phone records would fail to reflect whether or not Bradley or Irwin had correspondence with Wright on her preceding line.

 ::snipping2::

RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
Working now on witness details-accurate b4 fast #babylisa #lisairwin @RussPtacek & like my Facebook to see it first: on.fb.me/vq5Ro9 (http://on.fb.me/vq5Ro9)
3 minutes ago
Case Signal (BeanE)
CaseSignal Case Signal (BeanE)
#lisairwin #babylisa Also continue to stay tuned breathlessly for @RussPtacek BOMBSHELL he promised four friggin' hours ago
17 minutes ago  http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


I love chocolate too, Trimm!  :)  I actually drink Chocolate Syrup, wine is fine, chocolate is better  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::piggy::
Just saw this...
http://www.facebook.com/KSHBRussPtacek
Russ Ptacek
I'm now in contact with the mystery phone man and his father, who lives in Platte City. The mystery phone man, Dane texted me: "I'm just being thrown into a mix of people trying to push blame off of themself to keep face." More to come. Dad said Megan Wright has story wrong. She claimed Dane had phone night mystery call was made by phone taken from Baby Lisa home.
Like · Comment · 9 minutes ago ·

RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
"Sure he did have the phone," says father of mystery phone man in Baby Lisa case. Details as they come: on.fb.me/vq5Ro9 (http://on.fb.me/vq5Ro9)
1 minute ago https://twitter.com/#!/RussPtacek (https://twitter.com/#!/RussPtacek)

Me, too, Trimm...must be the chocolate, we think alike  :)

https://www.facebook.com/KSHBRussPtacek


Russ Ptacek
Reporters notes: My interview with father was on family front porch. Comments from Dane came via text.
Like · Comment · 5 minutes ago · Sandy Caron likes this..

.Report/Mark as SpamRuss Ptacek
‎"Why don’t you investigate the girl, and her boyfriend," said Dane's father.
Like · Comment · 6 minutes ago ·

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/baby-lisa-mystery-phone-man-acknowledges-having-phone-that-received-call-from-irwin-family-cell
Baby Lisa mystery phone man acknowledges having phone that received call from Irwin family cell
Posted: 7:33 PM
Last Updated: 6 minutes ago
    By: Russ Ptacek By: Russ Ptace
 ::snipping2::
“The truth will rise to the top,” the mystery phone man, Dane said.  “I have no connection with Megan Wright or the missing child.”

 The NBC Action News Investigators spoke to the man’s father on the family’s front porch and exchanged texts messages by phone with Dane.

A woman with whom he was in a relationship accused the man of threatening to kill her in a restraining order issued in September.

“Every day I have been scared and terrified to go home at night,” the victim told the court in a written statement.  He says he has nothing to lose and he’ll be satisfied once I’m dead.”

The man declined to answer follow up questions, specifically whether he answered the 11:57 p.m. call the night Baby Lisa disappeared.

“Every day I have been scared and terrified to go home at night,” the victim told the court in a written statement.  He says he has nothing to lose and he’ll be satisfied once I’m dead.”

“Sure he did have the phone, yeah,” said the man’s father in a brief exchange with the NBC Action News Investigators.  “He was at the house (where the phone’s owner lived).  I’ll give you that.”

Dane said he had been out of town hunting until yesterday, but had been interviewed by police before that.

“The police have contact with me and have so the whole past month,” Dane texted.  “I just hope we can focus the important point of finding the missing child.”

“I used Megan’s cell phone to have my phone turned on and some rides lined up for the next days of moving into my new place,” Dane texted.

Megan Wright, the owner of the phone that received the call the night Baby Lisa disappeared, is Dane’s former roommate.

She had a onetime relationship with a handyman who worked in the neighborhood who is now in jail on unrelated charges.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/baby-lisa-mystery-phone-man-acknowledges-having-phone-that-received-call-from-irwin-family-cell#ixzz1e180dsAQ

CaseSignal Case Signal (BeanE)
PI Ron Rugen #lisairwin RT @Levi_Page: Chat room is open! Going on the air in 10 mins to discuss #BabyLisa! Listen at: tobtr.com/s/2563515 (http://tobtr.com/s/2563515)
1 minute ago  http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)

Good lord we have fallen down the rabbit hole. lmao.

Love it Titch!  There are many more similarities than just their "poor me" poses!

Thanks to you and Muffeybee for the maps to the archives. I was afraid they got lost.  There's no better place to reasearch what was said, done etc. than scared Monkeys...this team doesn't miss much.

I'm not real impressed with this Ron Rugen, PI guy. I get the feeling he's just trying to hit the spotlight for free advertising and doesn't really know what he is talking about.  We're likely to get more misinformation than dependable leads from him. We've got better investigators on Scared Monkeys.

Noooo,I can't take much more.
I say we  just sit at the edge and see what happens.   ::rhino::

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/baby-lisa-mystery-phone-man-acknowledges-having-phone-that-received-call-from-irwin-family-cell
Baby Lisa mystery phone man acknowledges having phone that received call from Irwin family cell
Posted: 7:33 PM
Last Updated: 5 hours and 56 minutes ago
    By: Russ Ptacek By: Russ Ptacek

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - In his first comments, the Baby Lisa mystery phone man said he has “no connection” to the missing baby, but he and his father acknowledge he did have the phone that received a call from one of the missing Irwin phones.

Police have said he is not a suspect, so we are not identifying him by his last name.

“The truth will rise to the top,” the mystery phone man, Dane said.  “I have no connection with Megan Wright or the missing child.”

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/baby-lisa-mystery-phone-man-acknowledges-having-phone-that-received-call-from-irwin-family-cell#ixzz1e3NoWg4M

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/16/3270248/attorneys-trade-barbs-over-baby.html
Posted on Fri, Nov. 18, 2011 01:13 AM
Attorneys trade barbs over baby Lisa’s brother
By MARK MORRIS
The Kansas City Star
A lawyer working on a custody issue smoldering at the margins of the missing baby Lisa Irwin case fired back Wednesday at comments made by another attorney the day before.

The back and forth started Tuesday, when a lawyer representing Lisa’s parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, complained about a custody petition filed by attorney Dorothy L. Savory.

Savory represents Rasleen Raim, the mother of Jeremy Irwin’s 8-year-old son, who is a half-brother to Lisa, the baby reported missing from her Northland home six weeks ago. Raim is seeking temporary custody of her son to care for his “safety, comfort and peace of mind.”

Attorney Joseph Tacopina, who represents Lisa’s parents, on Tuesday described the petition against Jeremy Irwin as “unbelieveable” and accused Raim of “trying to glom on to her 15 minutes” of fame in the high-profile case.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/16/3270248/attorneys-trade-barbs-over-baby.html#ixzz1e3PQtgDd

I'm clueless atm, just got on it's early morning.
How in the h@ll did he get the phone? ::MonkeyTongue::
Need LOTS of coffee................

Maybe I missed it but I still don't know how the missing Irwin phone was able to make a call.

I'd like to know 'which' phone made the call.  DB says two of them had no service and so she was using one her dad gave her.  If its true that two had no service, then the Daddy Netz phone has to be the one that made the call.  Only thing is...LE has never said which phone did the calling and that makes me go hmmmmmmmm.

In the OCT 6 interview titled "parents answer questions of local media", Bradley states, "ONE phone didn't work". I also want to know which phone made the call.

It is said the phone was within 1/3  mile radius of home. This puts those phones very close, if not, right at the Irwin Home. 1/3 mile is about 1700 ft or 570 yards...maximum distance from home.

My hunch is the phone call came from within the home.

It's possible the phones were passed off to somebody else for disposal (batteries removed) around 3:30am.

Or they were hidden (w/o batteries) till they could dispose of them.

 ::monkeywine2:: ::MonkeyCool::

He had Megan Wright's phone but more important he is stating that the phone received a call?  Well who was it Dane?  Who called Megan's phone?  Received implies that he spoke with someone?  No?

I don't think grandfather netz's phone had service either because Deborah was transferring her service (albeit it interrupted at the time) to his old phone.  Verizon, which I believe is the carrier for the Irwin/Bradley phones, will NOT let you change one phone for another without the past due amount being paid to reinstate the service.  I just called them and verified this information. 


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12177.msg1486774#msg1486774 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12177.msg1486774#msg1486774)

BBM - That could not have happened.  If there service was suspended, then all three phones were unusable. 
So now you can't believe what Lisa's father says either.  He is either lying or misinformed based on what Lisa has told him.   ::MonkeyShovel::

Why would grandfather netz's give a phone that wasn't working?
I bet it was under his contract till the turnover when deb gets minutes to use.

Deb only said  phones didn't work, never said she had a phone from Netz at that time, I believe.

Also I think LE is only releasing little bits at a time, maybe so they can get more led's, so they can connect the dots.

Deb and JI will trip up, karma............
 ::rhino::

Pharlap,

I think the phone was functional, but not activated under the grandfather's plan.  It maybe speculation on my part, but most people don't have unused activated lines and phones on their account that would just amount to extra monthly charge.  Again, that is just my interpretation.    It was David Netz who made the comments on his FB regarding how Deborah acquired the additional phone.  He then changed his FB status to private, so all that is available about the phone to my knowledge, is what I have cited. 

Tks, surely the cops were all over this and just waiting for someone to slip up.....
Where ever the body is, maybe will appear Thanksgiving, Christmas or Easter like in other cases... dreadful thought thou.
 ::MonkeyEek::

I speculate that Debra, Jeremy, Samantha and James collaborated together to stage/fabricate an abduction of little Lisa when she met an unintentional demise through an an action of wrongoing (rage/frustration).

Could it be that out of a misguided sense of friendship/loyalty the Brandos became participants in a coverup.

Think about it.

1.  The elusive thisclose neighbours have not stepped forward and taken advantage of the big network interview bucks that their 15 minutes of fame could afford.

2.  Samantha Brando could affirm all that Debra alleges between the hours of 6:40 PM and 10:00 PM but she has chosen to avoid any media questions.

3.  Samantha Brando could reveal if she oberved or heard a "live" lisa while she was allegedly spending "adult" time with Debra.

4.  Debra Bradley felt free to lie and omit certain details when initially questioned by LE in regards to certain happenings encompassing the hours between 6:40 PM and 10:00 PM while knowing there was a witness.

5.  The description provided by the 12:15 AM witnesses fits that of Jeremy Irwin.

6.  The description provided by the 4:00 AM witness fits that of James Brando.  It has been rumored that a photo of James Brando was picked from a photo lineup by Mike Thompson.  James Brando has been questioned several times by LE and has been given a polygraph.

7.  Was activity from the so-called "stolen" cell phones all about the furthering of the abduction staging/fabrication?

Could it be that a conscience will prevail and the Brandos will reveal at some point in time the truth and accept the consequences for their participation in the coverup?

Janet

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Baby Lisa's Parents Meet With New Lawyer
11-Month-Old Will Be Missing 1 Month On Thursday
POSTED: 5:42 pm CDT November 2, 2011
UPDATED: 5:53 pm CDT November 2, 2011

<snipped>

The neighbor, a woman named Samantha, has spent a lot of time with the couple since Lisa disappeared. She was at the home on North Walrond Avenue while Bradley and Irwin met with Picerno on Wednesday.

<snipped>

http://www.kmbc.com/r/29667881/detail.html


Backup
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12266.820

Debra Bradley - Jeremy Irwin

ITA

... or in the immediate neighborhood.

Could it be that the activity on the alleged "stolen" cell phone after midnight be about Debra, Jeremy, Samatha and James attempting to obstruct an imminent investigation by directing suspicion on the residents of that flop house thus furthering the abduction staging/fabrication.

In other words ... could it be that Dane and Meagan are innocent pawns being set up in regards to the happenings encompassing the demise and disappearance of baby Lisa.

TRUTH AND JUSTICE FOR LISA IRWIN!

Later, Janet
12:16 PM PT

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/18/baby-lisa-break-reports-suggest-handyman-jersey-bragged-about-being-paid-to-steal-lisa-irwin/
2:30 pm ET November 18, 2011
BABY LISA BREAK?: Reports Suggest Handyman “Jersey” Bragged About Being Paid to Steal Lisa Irwin
by America Live Posted in: America Live, Baby Lisa, Deborah Bradley, Jersey, John Picerno, Lisa Irwin, Megan Wright, Megyn Kelly   

video at link.

Megyn says this is triple hearsay  ::MonkeyCool::
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My opinion...
The cops would of been all over this from the beginning.
Why didn't these attorneys take her to the police right away, like drive her there.
This is just smoke & glasses to me.

Have to sit back and see what else is being thrown against  the wall by deb's attorneys..
 ::rhino::

Seems like that big reward money would bring her right back...........
We better get out our old well worn Anti-Anthony helmets so we don't get hit by any flying poo.   ::rhino::

http://fox4kc.com/2011/11/18/irwin-attorney-jersey-bragged-about-kidnapping-lisa/
Irwin Attorney: ‘Jersey’ Bragged About Kidnapping Lisa
2:20 pm, November 18, 2011, by Meagan Kelleher
FOX News reported Friday that according to Irwin family attorney John Picerno, the handy man known as “Jersey” bragged to someone that he was paid $300 to kidnap baby Lisa Irwin.

Picerno told FOX’s Megyn Kelly that an unidentified 17-year-old told them she overheard the conversation between John “Jersey” Tanko and an unknown person.  Picerno said police had been notified of this information, and that the attorneys were not sure of the credibility of the teen.

Picerno told FOX 4 that they found the unidentified teen “through their investigation.”
 ::snipping2::

BBM.. How dare she!   Everybody knows those 15 minutes belong to Tacky Joe.  He needs to spend less time on things he cannont control and more time on those he can, like forcing his clients to come clean.

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"We heard about it and are checking into it, " said KCPD about rumor handyman bragged about $300 payment in theft of #babylisa #lisairwin
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http://www.kctv5.com/story/16077691/picerno-witness-claims-handyman-paid-300-for-kidnapping
Picerno: Witness claims handyman paid $300 for kidnapping
Posted: Nov 18, 2011 3:39 PM CST Updated: Nov 18, 2011 3:43 PM CST
By DeAnn Smith, Digital Content Manager - email
KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

An attorney for the parents of missing baby Lisa Irwin said Friday that a witness claims a neighborhood handyman was paid $300 to kidnap her.

Kansas City attorney John Picerno said the information has been turned over to the authorities.

Picerno said he, New York attorney Joe Tacopina and private detective Bill Stanton met with the 17-year-old girl Tuesday. Picerno said the girl who claims the handyman bragged about the kidnapping to another man.

The teen said she was with the second man following a vigil for the baby and he claimed the handyman made the claim, Picerno contends.

"She didn't seem to have a car in the world one way or the other. I believe her when she told me that's what she heard," Picerno told Fox News' Megyn Kelly. "But obviously, without having interviewed that individual myself I can't attest to his credibility."

He said representatives for Lisa's parents, Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, are attempting to locate the man that the teen allegedly spoke to about the handyman. He said the man who spoke to the teen is part of a "transient/homeless group of people." He did admit that his claim involving Tanko is a "big if."

Kelly stressed that Picerno's allegation is "triple hearsay."
 ::snipping2::

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/KCPD-are-checking-into-rumor-handyman-bragged-about-300-Baby-Lisa--theft
KCPD are 'checking into' rumor handyman bragged about $300 Baby Lisa theft money
Posted: 4:02 PM
Video at link.
 ::snipping2::
"We heard about it and are checking into it, just like we have on all leads," said Kansas City Police Captain Steven Young.

The handyman, known as Jersey, has been in police custody since shortly after the disappearance of Baby Lisa on unrelated charges.

Neighbors said he was a regular in the neighborhood prior to the disappearance.

The woman whose phone received a call from one of the cells stolen from the Irwin home, Megan Wright, said she had dated Jersey shortly before the disappearance.

Police have repeatedly said he is not a suspect.

Lisa Irwin was reported missing on October 4, 2011.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/KCPD-are-checking-into-rumor-handyman-bragged-about-300-Baby-Lisa--theft#ixzz1e66e5vdV

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16077691/picerno-witness-claims-handyman-paid-300-for-kidnapping
 ::snipping2::
Lisa's parents and older half brothers primarily had been staying with Bradley's younger brother Phil Netz until Tuesday when they moved back to their home on North Lister Avenue.

"They are doing remarkably well," Picerno said.

He added that he spoke with Irwin Friday morning and that Irwin said "everyday has gotten better." He said Irwin plans to return to his job as an electrician next week and they are working to get "back 100 percent to their normal life."

As far as Lisa's room, the family has made few changes, Picerno said.

"Baby Lisa's room is pretty much as it was before she was taken. Police did not really take that much out of the home," he said.



I didn't know there was a normal after the loss of a child. ::MonkeyCool::

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Picerno: Witness claims handyman paid $300 for kidnapping
November 18, 2011

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

An attorney for the parents of missing baby Lisa Irwin said Friday that a witness claims a neighborhood handyman was paid $300 to kidnap her.

Kansas City attorney John Picerno said the information has been turned over to the authorities.

Picerno said he, New York attorney Joe Tacopina and private detective Bill Stanton met with the 17-year-old girl Tuesday. Picerno said the girl who claims the handyman bragged about the kidnapping to another man.

The teen said she was with the second man following a vigil for the baby and he claimed the handyman made the claim, Picerno contends.

"She didn't seem to have a car in the world one way or the other. I believe her when she told me that's what she heard," Picerno told Fox News' Megyn Kelly. "But obviously, without having interviewed that individual myself I can't attest to his credibility."

He said representatives for Lisa's parents, Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, are attempting to locate the man that the teen allegedly spoke to about the handyman. He said the man who spoke to the teen is part of a "transient/homeless group of people." He did admit that his claim involving Tanko is a "big if."

Kelly stressed that Picerno's allegation is "triple hearsay."
More...

If true, $300 would be quite a wind fall for a handy man. Again, if true, I would be looking in hollow trees, under logs, in drains and whistles, in unoccupied buildings of all kinds and sizes, every hidy-hole in the ping perimeter.

not sure if this has been mentioned
irwin 2 non working phones
dads phone works
the irwin lawyer, says they checked back and the # to MW had never been dialed from the irwin phone b4,
not  sure if he meant JI or DB phone or phones,but that doesnt mean the # wasnt accessed
 from a non working phone and dialed on the working phone ould it have been in dads
phone,prob not
i think the # was dialed from human memory,and still think the phones are not connected to
missing lisa, as inaccurate as the news is on missing lisa,im starting to think its 2 separate
crimes,you would have to be a dumb crook to leave that kind of evidence behind, but stranger
things have happened

If this 17yr old girl and this homeless guy were at a vigil for Lisa,then there should be video somewhere of the 2.

Could this be why LE wanted all media video/photo coverage (including raw coverage)? May be they are trying to id/verify what the said "17 year old girl" claims. Ugg....this who's who list is growing by the hour..... ::MonkeyNoNo::

i remember something about a text,IE: ready when/or im ready
IDR,the time of the text,or what day, 10-3/10-4,12ish hr
was that ever confirmed by LE,or lawyer

anyway why would someone wait this long to give up info on jersey
lawyer making leaks to cast doubt,if there would be an arrest of his
client,and prepping theories,me thinks

Is this 17-year-old girl be the neighbor from whom they took DNA?

Honest to gawd!!! What a bunch of idiots, liars, & freaks!!!  I can't take another scamthony circus under the big tent with gypsies, tramps & thieves, complete with @ssclowns!

Who's protecting our future, our CHILDREN??????

These parents are beyond despicable! We need penalties for parents/guardians who do not FULLY cooperate with LE when their child is missing. If they don't, it should be a felony, and they should be put behind bars until they answer every damn question asked of them! I'm so disgusted with the likes of these cretins.

We continue to allow parents like Terri Horman, skankanthony, Misty & Ron Cummings to get away with keeping their mouths shut, not cooperating with LE.....
and what do we end up with>>>>MORE CHILDREN MURDERED>>>with parents getting away with the murders! ::MonkeyMad:: and even worse, these baby killers make a boat load of money!!!

I am sick and disgusted with guilty people hiding behind criminal defense attorneys. How many times have we seen this now? The list is getting longer by the day. If you kill a child, hid the child well, hire a criminal defense attorney and don't speak, you are free.

When is this country going to stand up for the innocent? The prosecutors hands are tied. We have people sitting on a jury who have no idea what the term "Reasonable Doubt" means. This country is going so far liberal that we may never get it back.

Since when are parents rights more important than a child that is harmed or missing? We hear it over and over again on news show. We hear talking heads telling them not to speak with police. WTH? Let the police do their job! I am glad that the mother in St. Louis didn't get a chance to lawyer up before they found the baby. ::MonkeyMad::

LE are scared to death to use the word "Suspect" and will deny any one is under suspicion, thanks to criminal defense attorneys. Defense Lawyers are ruining this country by not allowing the perpetrators to be questioned in a manner to get to the truth. I am beyond disgusted!

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/252546/20111119/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-mystery-phone-man.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ibtimes%2Ftech+%28IBTimes.com+RSS+Feed+-+Technology%29
Missing Baby Lisa Irwin: Mystery Phone Man Comes Forward
By Drishya Nair | November 19, 2011 4:26 AM EST

So, we're back to blaming Jersey.  Sad that instead of talking with LE and trying to find their daughter, Lisas parents would rather spin thru their atty and wastemore time.  They don't want this baby found,  imp.

Dane and Meagan s/b Jersey, Dane and Meagan

Why have investigators instructed Dana not to discuss the call he intercepted on Megan's cell phone ... the call that originated from Debra's "stolen" cell phone?

Could it be that this call was an attempt by Debra, Jeremy, Samantha and James to cast suspicion on those residing in that flop house by creating a cell phone connection that could be traced?

Joe Tacopina stated that it was determined by investigators that there has never been cell phone communication between Debra/Jeremy and Megan.  However ... has there ever been cell phone communication between the Brandos and Megan?

Until proven otherwise ... I remain firm in my position that Debra, Jeremy, Samantha and James are the catalyst to the truth encompassing the demise and disappearance of baby Lisa.

Janet

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Missing Baby Lisa Irwin: Mystery Phone Man Comes Forward
November 19, 2011 4:26 AM EST

There are still a number of questions that remain unanswered, in the matter of Lisa Irwin's disappearance, including the fact that a phone call was made her parent's mobile phone, on the night of her disappearance. The call was made to a Megan Wright - a former girlfriend of John "Jersey" Tanko, a handyman who was working in the neighborhood of the Irwin residence. Tanko is currently in jail, on unrelated charges.

Wright claims she did not receive the call, which lasted 50 seconds. She further said that the phone in question was one shared by the seven co-residents of her house. Her former roommate Dane (his last name has not been disclosed for reasons of privacy), who admitted to having the phone in his possession on the night of the call in question. 

"The truth will rise to the top," said Dane, "I have no connection with Megan Wright or the missing child."

"I used Megan's mobile phone to have my phone turned on and some rides lined up for the next days of moving into my new place," said Dane, in a mobile message-based conversation with NBC ACTION News.

<snipped>

"I'm just being thrown in a mix of people trying to push blame off of them to keep face. It's sad my name could be involved in something so heartbreaking," commented Dane.

Dane declined to answer specific questions or meet in person. He told NBC investigators the police had asked him not contact the media, warning him that it would only lead to a "media frenzy of lies."

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/252546/20111119/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-mystery-phone-man.htm

NANCY GRACE
Aired November 1, 2011 - 20:00   ET

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SHERYL, CALLED FROM OHIO: My question would be, the -- the gentleman that Mr. Thompson saw carrying the baby, does his description fit either the uncle or Jersey?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We don`t know, but I`ll throw it out to Jim Spellman.

SPELLMAN: He does not resemble the brother at all.  The brother is much younger, different build, doesn`t match at all. There is some similarity between the other descriptions of sightings of people.

I just want to say, Jane, to be very clear that the man that Mike Thompson identified is not Jersey, is not Mike Tanko.  And I showed Mike Thompson a photograph of John Tanko, the man known as Jersey and he said no that`s the guy -- not the guy. I`ve never seen him before. I want to sure that nobody takes that implication away that it`s John Tanko that has been identified.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/01/ng.01.html

Could he have been paid 300? 

Could the ATTN be trying to spin this? 

Something is fishy, I wonder if we will hear more ::MonkeyEek::

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RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
Breaking development in baby Lisa coming soon @nbcactionnews
4 minutes ago

RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
4:34 pm Sat. Exclusive : Just spoke with witness at center of $300 baby theft rumor. Details soon @nbcactionnews #babylisa #lisairwin. .
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trimm - keep me posted - don't have a tv - but got my monkeys up and running - thanks - caddy

I'm skeptical on so many levels!

Janet

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Irwin Attorney: ‘Jersey’ Bragged About Kidnapping Lisa
2:20 pm, November 18, 2011

FOX News reported Friday that according to Irwin family attorney John Picerno, the handy man known as “Jersey” bragged to someone that he was paid $300 to kidnap baby Lisa Irwin.

Picerno told FOX’s Megyn Kelly that an unidentified 17-year-old told them she overheard the conversation between John “Jersey” Tanko and an unknown person.  Picerno said police had been notified of this information, and that the attorneys were not sure of the credibility of the teen.

Picerno told FOX 4 that they found the unidentified teen “through their investigation.”

<snipped>

http://fox4kc.com/2011/11/18/irwin-attorney-jersey-bragged-about-kidnapping-lisa/

Here ya go.  ::HelloKitty::
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I've updated my Facebook page...and will continue to add information as it is transcribed: on.fb.me/vq5Ro9 #babylisa #lisairwin (http://on.fb.me/vq5Ro9 #babylisa #lisairwin)
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http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/$300-baby-lisa-kidnap-rumor-denied-by-teen-who-supposedly-implicated-handyman-in-disappearance
$300 Baby Lisa kidnap rumor denied by teen who supposedly implicated handyman in disappearance
Posted: 5:10 PM
Last Updated: 2 minutes ago
    By: Russ Ptacek By: Russ Ptacek

A teen located by the NBC Action News Investigators denies ever saying a neighborhood handyman "bragged" about a $300 payday for kidnapping Baby Lisa Irwin.
 ::snipping2::

https://www.facebook.com/KSHBRussPtacek
Russ Ptacek
Teen says Jersey was wrongly accused.
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Russ Ptacek
‎NBC Action News "No," teen says rumor he said handyman bragged about Baby Lisa kidnapping is not true.
Like · Comment · 2 minutes ago ·

Thanks trimmonthelake

I don't do Facebook or Twitter.

Janet

YW Janet!  ::HelloKitty::

Russ Ptacek
Teen at center of rumor says he never said Jersey did do it, he said, he thought Jersey could do it. "I told someone, I was like (expletive), Jersey was the kind of person where you could say here, here’s $300, take care of this baby, and he would have done it," teen told me today. "That’s all I’ve said. I haven’t seen Jersey since weeks before all this happened actually."
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Following along with this case is like watching a tennis match.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Thank you to all who provide updates.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Janet, your theory makes a LOT of sense to me.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Russ Ptacek
Teen says a woman from either police or Irwin's legal team has already interviewed him:
"She came up asking the same (expletive). I told her the same thing."
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Hey Wyks,LTNS  ::HelloKitty::

See you monkeys later.Bath time for the doxie.  ::MonkeyBike::

Since Trimm is bathing the doxie.....


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Maybe the professional thing for the Bradley/Irwin attorneys and PI to do would be to refrain from media reporting prior to this witnesses affording LE a statement.

It appears there has been an effort from the getgo to distract attention away from Debra and Jeremy while attempting to implicate Jersey in the happening encompassing the demise and disappearance of baby Lisa.

Janet

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Picerno: Witness claims handyman paid $300 for kidnapping
Posted: Nov 18, 2011 1:39 PM PST
Updated: Nov 18, 2011 3:54 PM PST

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) - An attorney for the parents of missing baby Lisa Irwin said Friday that a witness claims a neighborhood handyman was paid $300 to kidnap her.

Kansas City attorney John Picerno said the information has been turned over to the authorities.

Picerno said he, New York attorney Joe Tacopina and private detective Bill Stanton met with the 17-year-old girl Tuesday. Picerno said the girl who claims the handyman bragged about the kidnapping to another man.

The teen said she was with the second man following a vigil for the baby and he claimed the handyman made the claim, Picerno contends.

"She didn't seem to have a care in the world one way or the other. I believe her when she told me that's what she heard," Picerno told Fox News' Megyn Kelly. "But obviously, without having interviewed that individual myself I can't attest to his credibility."

<snipped>

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16077691/picerno-witness-claims-handyman-paid-300-for-kidnapping

Wyks!!!

Where have you been?  You have been missed.

Off for the evening.  A paddlewheeler riverboat cruise on the might muddy Fraser River is where it is at tonight in celebration of friend's 65th birthday ... a celebration hosting by his grown kids.

Janet
4:00 PM PT

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/%24300-baby-lisa-kidnap-rumor-denied-by-teen-who-supposedly-implicated-handyman-in-disappearance
$300 Baby Lisa kidnap rumor denied by teen who supposedly implicated handyman in disappearance

Posted: 11/19/2011
Last Updated: 2 minutes ago
 ::snipping2::
Kansas City attorney John Picerno did not respond to our e-mail asking for comment.

Private investigator Bill Stanton said he had not spoken to the witness himself, and wasn't sure whether the Irwin legal team had interviewed the teen.

"Well, they might have, they may have," Stanton said.   I'm not sure, but then again.  It's the press that makes the headlines."

"Until there's further investigation,30  I'm going to take him at his word," Stanton said.  "I met his alleged girlfriend and she and her mother were giving this information.  While it's interesting, it may be people who are over zealous."

Editor's note: Since the person NBC Action News interviewed is a minor, we are not sharing his name.

Edit to correct link per trimm.  MB

What a SLIMEBALL that Stanton is, one lie begets another..just rolls off his forked tongue!  

Just popped in to see if there were any updates. Nada. Ridiculous. It's so sickening to think there's sooo many whack jobs out there. Doesn't it seem like they all swarm to each other? Just like the Anthony clan. Just like the Cummings & Croslin clans. Personally, I'm hoping for a miracle.

Hey Wyks! Omgosh we've missed ya honeybunches!  ::MonkeyAngel::

corrected link.
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Irwin Lawyer's key witness says he NEVER EVER claimed handyman admitted anything. #babylisa (#post_babylisa) #lisairwin (#post_lisairwin) @NBCActionNews (http://@NBCActionNews) bit.ly/rHab60 (http://bit.ly/rHab60)
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Let me get this straight.
Jersey kidnaps Lisa for 300.00.
So he takes Lisa without a blanket and walks around for what 4 hours in the cold weather?
Btw, leaving all the lights on in the house.

So WHO did he kidnap the baby for?
Wouldn't you think there would of been a car waiting for Jersey/Lisa some where soon after the kidnapping?
When was Jersey paid for this? 

This makes no sense to me at all...
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Another thing that bugs the hell out of me.
IF all 3 cell phones didn't work, where would you put them?
I have 2 that don't work and they are in a drawer.  New one that does which I keep in my pocket.
 ::CowboySmiley::

Teen denies $300 baby Lisa theft rumor Published on Nov 19, 2011 by NBCActionNews
http://www.youtube.com/v/JBboNDuzzEQ?version=3&amp;hl=en_US

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/252758/20111120/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-tough-month-kansas.htm
Missing Baby Lisa Irwin: Tough Month for Kansas City Police Chief
By Drishya Nair | November 20, 2011 7:12 AM EST

Investigations into the disappearance of 11-month-old Lisa Irwin are entering their 46th day, and there still has not been any useful information about either the child or her location since she went missing from her home in Kansas City, Mo.
According to FBI data as of 2010, Kansas City is the ninth most dangerous city in the United States in terms of crime rates. Along the same line, U.S. News & World Report lists the city's crime risk index as being more than three times higher than the national average.
 ::snipping2::

That's not encouraging for a return of Lisa.  My gut tells me this will be an unsolved case, with no arrests.  I hope I'm wrong.   Praying for Lisa.

I feel it will get solved, not as soon as we would like.  My guy says Lisa is dead.
Laci Peterson, it took what 4-6 months b4 they arrested scott?
 ::CowboySmiley::

ooops....gut  ::MonkeyJnBox::

True, it was roughly 4 months. SP wasn't arrested until Laci and Connor were found.  I hope you are right Pharlap. Baby Lisa needs to be found.....soon.  It would be nice to have a COD so we don't have that excuse from the jurors.

This FBI data is slightly misleading.  KCMO is probably 9th, but it is mostly certain areas and gang/drug related.  The average person is not going to be in those areas at those times.  The metropolitan area, on a whole, is quite safe.  I waver back and forth on if there will be an arrest.  Currently I am sitting at maybe and seriously considering advocating light torture to force DB to speak.  And I am only half kidding.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/252751/20111120/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-case-similar-precious.htm

Missing Baby Lisa Irwin: Is Case Similar to Precious Doe?

By Ankita Mehta | November 20, 2011 6:16 AM EST

Investigators have followed thousands of leads, over the past six weeks, in their search for Lisa Irwin. However, according to a recently retired Kansas City police officer, the chances of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin surviving are slim. Dave Bernard, the officer in question, has handled several major homicide-related cases.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/baby-lisa-s-disappearance-tightening-the-timeline
Baby Lisa’s disappearance: Tightening the timeline
Isabelle Zehnder, Missing Persons Examiner November 20, 2011


http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/teen-didn-t-say-jersey-was-paid-for-baby-lisa-legal-team-fumbles-for-words
Teen didn't say ‘Jersey’ was paid for Baby Lisa, legal team fumbles for words
Isabelle Zehnder, Missing Persons Examiner November 20, 2011

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/11/disgust-baby-lisa-propaganda-exposed.html
Sunday, November 20, 2011
Disgust: Baby Lisa Propaganda Exposed!

Comments from the above article:

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Kit Kat said...
Dispicable as they are, the false words & stories are still getting out there to the public which could potentially taint an intelligent jury or strike a prospective juror for "knowing too much about the case". Wish LE around the world would learn from the CA debacle coz the State of Florida was stuck with the 12 worst jurors that were from THE bottom of the juror pool barrel and look at that outcome. Could almost understand the OJ outcome since he was a famous athlete/movie star and then throw in the race card (oh & the murder victims were only an ex wife and waiter friend). CA was a big fat nothing other than a knocked up high school drop out lazy sponge that stole from her parents. She got off murdering her 2 year old baby Caylee by suffocating her with duc-tape (who she never reported missing for 31 days) & left in her car trunk for days festering in the hot Florida summer sun, than when the decomposition smell got so bad this "good mother" triple bagged Caylee and threw her "vessel" ( as her loving grandmother referred her) away in a bug & critter infested swamp. CA acquittal is largely in part to her unethical defense lawyer, media hype, an overly biased judge who was in fear of an overturned verdict, family members that lied with ease on the stand to further impress the world that CAYLEE meant nothing to them other than some cute pet they could dress up, and 12 ignorant jurors that were more concerned with dessert selection and their vacation plans.
So beware, Propaganda does work in some cases but only if the public and the Judicial System allows it to.
Sun Nov 20, 09:24:00 PM EST
 Anonymous said...
KIt Kat,

Perfectly stated and my sentiments exactly!!!

I would like to add we need to change the law. Parents who do not cooperate with an investigation into "missing" children cases should NEVER be making $$$$$ off such a case. Evil parents, like Casey, Deborah, and others lack conscience. They have no frantic worries for their babies. Instead in their twisted sick minds why not profit financially while covering up a crime!

We certainly know any parent whose child were truly missing would be sick with worry and doing everything in their power to find their child. These two (Deborah and partner) are doing NO such thing. jmho
Sun Nov 20, 10:01:00 PM EST

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Amen, sister!

so db and ji have been officially named suspects? sorry, I've been out of the loop.

No, not officially.

http://kansascitypi.blogspot.com/2011_11_01_archive.html
Monday, November 21, 2011
The Lisa Irwin Case: Mom's Phone Appears to Be the Key
Whether it be the 50 second cell phone call that was reportedly attempted from Deborah Bradley's phone or the alleged attempts to access her voice mail and/or internet some three hours later, it would appear her phone holds the key to many answers in the case of her missing baby, Lisa Irwin.

There are so many unanswered questions in this case and twists and turns, those of us who are watching it closely think about it all the time.  I was watching my Mizzou Tigers play football Saturday afternoon, trying to relax, and I was still sorting out some of the Baby Lisa information in my head.  I could not relax.

The number of people who may have used Deborah Bradley's phone that fateful night are far greater than the number of people who that 11:57 p.m. phone call could have been intended for.  So, rather than try to figure out who was using the phone, it seems more logical to work backwards from who may have been intended to receive the call.
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Logical, yes, except for the fact that no one will admit to anything.  Not MW and not Dane, or anyone else in that household.

The reason that they were on the kitchen counter, according to what I have read, was because they were charging.  My response to that is:

1.  Of course, because everyone knows that a phone that isn't working needs to be left on in case the good fairy should happen by and pay the phone bill.  And the chargers need to use up more electricity which JI was already stressed out about.

2.  Most wall sockets only have two receptacles which would make it impossible to charge all three cell phones at the same time in the same place. 

3.  If the only phone that I had was a cell phone, it would be by my bed when I went to sleep at night.  At least then I could dial 9-1-1 on my non-working phone or use it as a flashlight. 

4.  The BS in this cases is reaching hip-wader height and rising.  Nothing makes any sense, but JI/DB and their lawyers keep on throwing it out like it is the Golden Tablets.  ::CowboySmiley::

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/21/mobile-forensic-examiner-discusses-what-cell-phone-calls-may-reveal-in-case-of-lisa-irwin/
2:51 pm ET November 21, 2011
Mobile Forensic Examiner Discusses What Cell Phone Calls May Reveal in Case of Lisa Irwin
by America Live Posted in: Baby Lisa, Deborah Bradley, Deborah Irwin, Lisa Irwin, Megan Wright   
Video at link.

All 3 were charging....give me a brake.....
Not buying it..... ::MonkeyNoNo::

The internet inquiries were not discussed in this video.  Would there also be a message that it couldn't be connected or did they go through?  TIA

Tks Trim....
I still don't get it.
deb pays what 10.00 for wine and how much are cigs, 4-5 dollars a pack? And she can't buy a 20.00 phone card?
We can all see what deb's priorities are.   ::MonkeyMad::

Could there have been a charger used that can charge multiple items at the same time?

http://callpod.com/products/chargepod          http://www.geeksugar.com/6-Way-Charging-Chargepod-260439

Do we know yet if the boys are back in the Bradley/Irwin home?  If they are, LE has nothing, yet on them. If they aren't, could mean that LE will be charging DB with something, like child neglect.  Maybe?

Mostly just curious about this, I have both my phone and my computer air card through veriizon. I can send a text with my computer. It gets billed to the computer number but it all goes on the same bill.
Another thing is there are many sites that say using their system someone can send fake numbers to the recievers caller ID.
What I'm getting at is that even with no working phone I think I can send a text with the computer and make it look like my dead phone .
Probably nothing ,like I said ,just curious.

 ::rhino::

Didn't the father say he gave her one of his phones, so I would think if that is true, DB nor Jeremy would have gone out and bought a special charger considering their money crunch. Or maybe they did, just thinking outloud here.

idk, they had 2 phones originally, it's possible they already had a multiple unit charger.  I'm just trying to make sense out of something that makes no sense.  *sigh*

About the three phones on the counter...my understanding was that Deborah was in the process of transferring over numbers from one phone to the other, and that's why they were on the counter.  I'll see if I can go find a link.

Here's some links, but also IIRC, there are news article that noted it. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12177.msg1486774#msg1486774

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ttps://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=511485004&sk=wall
 
David Netz Jr: biological Father of Debbie Netz. Lives in Independence, MO. David posted this on a fb page early on regarding the cell phones:

David Lee Netz Jr.
"Here is a quick note about the 3 missing cell phones. Debbie's cell phone had been acting up and the speakers and microphone on it were continually only working intermittently. So Sunday October 2 when Debbie, Jeremy, Blake, Michael, and Lisa came over to Debbie's grandparents (My Mom and Dad) house to celebrate Blake's birthday my Dad gave Debbie his old plain jane phone that has NO way to collect contact information on it. Debbie transferred the service from her old phone to the one that my Dad (her Grandpa) gave her. When she went home later that night she had both of her phones out and started coping numbers one by one into the phone she got from her Grandpa. She didn't get them all done of course so she left them on the table. Jeremy's PERSONAL cell phone was also on the table. These 3 phones were the ones that were stolen."
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http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/lisa-irwin-megan-wright-responds-to-dan-s-claims

Lisa Irwin: Megan Wright responds to Dane's claims
Jerrie Dean, Missing Persons Examiner
November 21, 2011


Continue reading on Examiner.com Lisa Irwin: Megan Wright responds to Dane's claims - National missing persons | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/lisa-irwin-megan-wright-responds-to-dan-s-claims#ixzz1eO5kmiDW

The phone(s) issue is soooo hinky in so many ways.

Why would you spend all that time transferring contact info, let alone the service, when you know your service will end due to non payment by the next day or so?  Do they not pay attention to late bills with service cut off dates for non payment?  With their financial situation, they had to know that.     

Tupelo, I'm not sure what's the truth in this case. 

Dane admits to using MW's phone the night in question.  Others in the house relayed he used it for some time, was seen cowering in a corner and made the statement, "shhh, somebody's coming".  The he leaves to go on a "hunting trip" for how many days?  Did LE go to the hunting area to look for Lisa? They need to, imo. 

LE has to have all phone records and ping locations for all parties involved by now.  I wish they weren't so silent, for our sake, but I do understand why they are keeping quiet.

Will we go nuts by the time anything is disclosed???

I'm already feeling dizzy over it all... ::MonkeyEek::

According to that article, she was transferring (reprogramming) on Sunday Night, not Monday Night.

The Father acts as if he were with her when she got home Sunday Night, was he? How does he know what she did on Sunday Night? She implied that these phones were all together because she was reprogramming them on Monday. She sure knows how to muddy up the water. I take nothing she says as the truth.

What was happening all day on Monday? She also said (on video) that one phone wasn't working. Somehow all this evolved to none of the phones were working.

Good point Alagary, but you can't text from your computer account if your phone service is shut off.

Muffy, I was under the same understanding as you. I read that Deb got a phone from her father, an old plain phone, bc the service was shut off on her phone. So she had their old phones, nonworking, left on the counter bc she was on the process of transferring all the numbers from those phones memory into. The old phone of her father's. I thought the dad either added another line to his plan or had a line in place already and he let Deb use that in case an emergency arose. Her father didn't want her being without a working phone. She'd have to transfer numbers manually bc it may not have been compatible with her own phones for download to a computer. Makes sense to me but I'm personally not sure I believe their whole scenario.

Alagary, this brings me right back to a thought I had last week... My kids have each have an iTouch. My older children have the "textfree" app. Even though they have unlimited texting on out family plan, they still use the textfree sometimes. A person could use textfree on a smart device, even from a computer, but could also use a site or another app that makes their caller id show as something else. So, investigators

So, investigator's said the call to Meghan came from Irwin's phone. Well Deb's last name is Bradley. So was Jeremy's personal cell on him at work or was it left at the house? Is Deb on a different plan than Jeremy bc if not then his phone wouldn't work either for calling. His work cell, the one investigators found in a drawer I think in the computer room, is that in Irwin's name or his work's name? Investigators said whomever had the phones from Lisa's home tried to also access the internet as well as vm. Deb & Jeremy would know that they wouldn't be able to access their vm but if any of those phones were smartphones then they wouldn't need phone service to utilize the internet. For example, I have an i4. My old 3GS is basically an touch now, with all my apps, textfree, FaceTime, Safari, everything is still usable & in perfect shape. You just need a wireless connection, which we have, but even if we didn't there's an app that searches nearest hot spots.

So in other words, nothing eliminates Deb OR Jeremy right now, nothing at all...even though their defense lawyers want the public to think otherwise.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/11/22/lisa-irwin-case-picerno-loses-gossip-game/#more-8500
Lisa Irwin case: Picerno loses ‘gossip’ game

To use one of those services that "masks" your number, you first have to set up an account with the "masking" company and designate a number that you want to appear to the party you are calling.  After that is done you have to first call an 800 number and enter the phone number that you want displayed as the incoming call and the number you want to place the call tol.  The call is then completed and the 800 number will show up on your bill. 

And as someone already said, if your Verizon cell phone is disconnected for non-payment, so is your computer access. 

OK, was there computer on line at that time?
Should ask, do they have a pc service?
Is there a way we can find out???
 ::MonkeyTongue::

I don't think that the phone that DB got from her grandfather had service, and I don't think they added a line for her.  If that was the case, the why would her dad say that she [Debbie} transferred the service from her old phone to the one that my Dad (her Grandpa) gave her.

She may have wanted to transfer her numbers the the "plain jane" phone, but she couldn't have transferred her service because her service was discontinued.  She would have just continued using the phone under her grandfather or father's account which was active.  I talked to Verizon last week and they confirmed that they wouldn't allow a "new" phone to be activated on a line that was suspended due to non-payment. 

That means that this statement , Debbie transferred the service from her old phone to the one that my Dad (her Grandpa) gave her. is a lie.  Either David Netz, Jr., DB's father who made the statement is lying, or DB gave her father that false information and he posted it on his FB.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12177.msg1486774#msg1486774 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12177.msg1486774#msg1486774)

I had the same question because I thought the internet access attempted through the phone.  Verizon is only a wireless carrier in Kansas City, they don't offer home cable/internet access here.

Re my bold... This only holds true if that cell is not a smartphone. For instance, my old iPhone I now use as an itouch, especially when extra kids are over bc they all love those online games. My old iPhone 3GS has it's service shut off bc I bought an i4. I now use my 3GS as an extra for internet use if I'm laying in bed & I already have 8 pages opened on my i4. All a smartphone needs if it's service has been shut off but it's internet capable would be a wireless connection.

So that brings me to this question: The phone itself that called Meghan, it was said it came from Irwin's phone. Well was it his personal cell number that showed up or his cell identification number that showed up? Iow, were the FBI able to track the ip attached to that cell when it tried to connect to the internet?

Side note, when you sign up for a lot of these textfree accounts, you get a small amount if minutes for calling & talking for free. Plus textfree is just that, it's free.

I believe Deb's dad gave wrong info if he said she was transferring service. That wouldn't even make sense when they already have cell phones. There's nothing wrong with them, they just got their service shut off for not paying their bill. Plus the phone given to Aden was an old very very old model phone. It makes mire sense that she was transferring contacts into the phone given to her, not transferring service. I believe her brither's statement & think her father was just confused with emotions running high.

Nice to see you Flutter. I hope Hailey Dunn is found someday. Hugs to ya sweetie!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Deborah NOT Aden. My phone! Ugggh!

I'm changing my settings to not fix my words. This is ridiculous. This phone gets on my nerves, it goes right behind my typing!

I'm thinking when Debbie's dad said "transfer service", he was thinking service as being Debbie's information in her cell being transferred to the cell her gpop gave her.

 ::MonkeyEek::  Wait a sec. I think I must be wrong about the service being cut off. I'm sitting here thinking wow her dad went into great detail describing that their mics were going bad & the phones only worked sporadically, so their service couldn't have been cut off then.

Thanks for making me rethink monkeys.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Everything still points back to an occupant of that house that night. No?

Yeah, I'm rereading everything now. I definitely think I'm wrong. I believe Deb's dad. He wouldn't have gone into such great detail to explain something being wrong with their cell service.

Uick question...

Has it been reported whatbrands & model #'s are involved yet?

Supposedly 3 phones are missing. What are the make & model #'s?

Jeremy's work cell was in a drawer. What's the make & model # of that one?

Anybody know?

I just don't see this couple buying a multiply  charger for 2 phones when wine is a priority for DB and Jeremy worries about being able to pay electric bills.
This phone thing for me, is just another red flag that they are lying to cover up.

::rhino::  Everyone involved with the phone/calls is lying. Huge red flag.

Agree. Nothing makes sense unless the arrow points back to the inhabitants of the house that night. If you go with stranger theory, then there's even more questions with no answers that would have to happen only through a perfect storm scenario. There are plenty other babies to snatch besides a baby that had multiple people coming & going throughout that house that day. It has to be someone there that night, or someone that lived right near them to hear & see the partying going on outside.

Ok, do we know if the household has a working online computer?
Someone was saying you can make calls from the pc. 
 ::MonkeyBike::

Sure can make calls from your computer...anywhere in the world and its free. all you need is a headset with a mic. They charge a very small fee if you call land lines.

 ::rhino::  Skype & Vonage to name a couple

http://twitter.com/#!/jimspellmancnn (http://twitter.com/#!/jimspellmancnn)

jimspellmancnn jim spellman
interesting #babylisa stuff happening on FB right now. Lisa's uncle Johnny is updating facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdat… (http://facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdat…)
34 minutes ago

But there would have to be another carrier that had service.  If that was true, why would DB need another phone so urgently that grandpop would offer his hand-me-down.  It would also blow the the theory that the kidnapper took the phones to prevent the police from being called once Lisa was discovered to be missing.

The fb link is no good.  Drat

https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall&filter=1

  ::MonkeyNoNo::    I post too quickly sometimes.

@jimspellmancnn
jim spellman
interesting #babylisa stuff happening on FB right now. Lisa's uncle Johnny is updating facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdat…
53 minutes ago via web
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Michele_Hendrix Michele Hendrix
@
@jimspellmancnn he stated that Jeremy is being lied to, and knows nothing of this.
44 minutes ago

Here is the link,but now all of the uncle's posts are gone. ::MonkeyCool::
http://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall&filter=1

I don't think those details have been released.

(((((((To you)))))). Sadly I don't think Hailey will ever be found.

Thanks Trimm.  I was just reading that he hides his posts, brings them back, etc.  Why do that?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=309369075742125&set=o.184983831580094&type=1&theater

What he deleted, but someone got a screen shot

Tupelo,this is some of the stuff I saw posted on Facebook.I should have got a screenshot  instead of trying to read it all.Found it over at JusticeQuest. ::MonkeyTongue::
http://96.126.114.52/~toby/forums/showthread.php?t=59500&page=34
Johnny Chiaravallotti
My sister LISA passed away in 2001 at just 36 years old. LISA was 10 mos. younger than me. LISA was Debbie's mother and they were very close. LISA would've been Baby Lisa's Grandmother. Debbie named LISA after her mother , my sister Lisa. Now We are without both Lisa's ....

Johnny Chiaravallotti Michael contacted Stanton on Twitter. Stanton has nothing to do with Tacopina. Nobody paid for Tacopina.he came aboard for free. For publicity. They stymied Debbie. Lisa lays out there somewhere. We think the Missouri River. She was weighed down and will never be found. I am not alone with these thoughts. I have talked to Debbie several times. I know Debbie. She couldnt look me in the eye.

Johnny Chiaravallotti Debbie doesnt drive and was drunk. She called several people for help after the accident. I know who she called but didnt help. And so do the Police. The sightings and calls were about disposal.

Johnny Chiaravallotti We dont know for sure who helped. But we know who refused to help and told her to call the Police. The family is not really divided. We know but dont know who helped in the end. This is where the dopers come in. Family was contacted first.

Good!

Johnny Chiaravallotti
Call the cops on me weirdos ... tell them what I posted on FB. I spent hours with them. You are the last to know. 816 234 5000. Time to make love to my beautiful fiancee'....
Like ·  · about a minute ago ·

https://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall&filter=1

I don't know.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I will look again later,my connection keeps cutting out.

This case is just as bizzarre as Caylee's.  It sickens me that people are this way when there is a missing child....or anyone.

well wow,the latest post by

Johnny Chiaravallotti
 Call the cops on me weirdos ... tell them what I posted on FB. I spent hours with them. You are the last to know. 816 234 5000. Time to make love to my beautiful fiancee'....
Like · Comment · 12 minutes ago
http://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall&filter=1 (http://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall&filter=1)

i think these are sreen shots of what JC said,i tried to read these, the old bifocal eyes couldnt do it

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=o.184983831580094&type=1#!/photo.php?fbid=309406425738390&set=o.184983831580094&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=o.184983831580094&type=1#!/photo.php?fbid=309406425738390&set=o.184983831580094&type=1&theater)

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=o.184983831580094&type=1#!/photo.php?fbid=2665656360980&set=o.184983831580094&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=o.184983831580094&type=1#!/photo.php?fbid=2665656360980&set=o.184983831580094&type=1&theater)

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=o.184983831580094&type=1#!/photo.php?fbid=2665598719539&set=o.184983831580094&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=o.184983831580094&type=1#!/photo.php?fbid=2665598719539&set=o.184983831580094&type=1&theater)

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=o.184983831580094&type=1#!/photo.php?fbid=309369075742125&set=o.184983831580094&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=o.184983831580094&type=1#!/photo.php?fbid=309369075742125&set=o.184983831580094&type=1&theater)

album
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=o.184983831580094&type=1 (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=o.184983831580094&type=1)

TY,brandi

who ever runs the pg here just deleted a whole bunch of posts
dont they know someone prob has a copy,and its virile now
http://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall)

Wow!  Why is JI in on this mess?  ::MonkeyEek::  I am stumped. ::MonkeyNoNo::  I think the Uncle, knows more...IMO

Most likely a stupid question and 1 to which I should know the answer, why is he using the name Chiaravallotti instead of Chivalette?

TY,MB
 ::MonkeyCool::

YW CW  ::bee::

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/22/3281893/kc-police-disband-baby-lisa-command.html

Posted on Tue, Nov. 22, 2011 11:13 PM
Kansas City police disband command post in Lisa Irwin case
By CHRISTINE VENDEL
The Kansas City Star

Kansas City police have shut down the command post where investigators had been working exclusively on the Lisa Irwin case.

Detectives and FBI agents who had been working as a task force out of a room at Kansas City’s police training academy now are back in their usual offices, police said Tuesday. Police said the move reflected a necessary shift in resources as leads in the case have slowed and other crime cases have piled up.

 ::snipping2::

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/22/3281893/kc-police-disband-baby-lisa-command.html#ixzz1eVcJ4Qfp

Tks!!!............................. ::MonkeyShovel::

Deep breath deep breath deep breath... Ok here goes...

I think Deb was cheating.

I think Deb has an alcohol problem.

I think Deb may dabble in narcotics.

I think Deb knows what happened to Lisa.

I think Deb knows where Lisa is.

I think Lisa is deceased.

I think Jeremy is in the dark with all of this.

I think he believe's in Deb.

I think it's why Jeremy won't allow himself to be interviewed alone, bc he's believing too much in Deb.

I think Deb will keep her mouth shut & never talk, forever playing the victim.

All is jmo and "think" DOESN'T mean "know".

LISA IS THE VICTIM, EVERYONE ELSE IS SECONDARY BY ASSOCIATION. This I know.

I'm not sure in John's case, unless they're 2 different people ... but in my family some of our history goes way back, on THE boat.

After moving from Sicily or Italy many years ago, over time but sometimes right away, Ellis Island held names of our original immigrants. Some in my family came over as Toleriancino but it was changed to Tolerico, another is Luccianno which was changed to Luciano, yet another is Mastigliano which was changed to Mastiglione. A friend of mine had the last name of Pietro but his family converted their surname to just Pietro.

I have no idea truthfully but I think it stems back to either Italian discrimination in America or maybe they were trying to hide their "real" surnames from the mafia so as to not take a percentage of their money. Before you ask, YES, alot of what was on the Sopranos was real...still is.

Sorry, self edit.

I just clicked on that link & the people posting comments are saying that wasn't really him? I guess one of the people is an admin or owner of the page & said it's somebody playing games or something? Did you read this stuff today? I'm on there now. How sad if that's the case. People shouldn;t be playing games. There's a missing baby for crying out loud.

So, was it or wasn't it Johnny? Is it a fact or not? How can we find out?

Titch...You crack me up with those iPhone typos.
I've started using a stylus on mine and iPad and it helps.

This case is so convoluted it gives me a headache.
Today I'm leaning towards Deborah gave Lisa away.

OMG that's exactly what I'm going to do! I just tried to text my husband with my son's DSi stylus & it worked! I need to go buy one meant for an Apple. Thanks so much!

I swear I truly HOPE Debbie gave Lisa away.

This is a really long article. I don't recall seeing it before but it is a MUST read (apologies if someone already posted this):


From ‘mother hen’ to media villain: The life of baby Lisa Irwin's mom
Family members provide insights
By LEE HILL KAVANAUGH
The Kansas City Star
November 5, 2011

 http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/05/3250061/from-mother-hen-to-media-villain.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/05/3250061/from-mother-hen-to-media-villain.html)

Family histories are always fascinating, thanks for sharing your's!  A while back I had mentioned a name change in my family (due to a falling out) in relation to the similarities of names in this case.. Chivalette, LeRette, Leverette (from here http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12178.msg1486947#msg1486947 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12178.msg1486947#msg1486947)) and now this Chiaravallotti (fake?).  Change a couple letters and they all could be related  ::MonkeyEek::

I remember this article. I thought it was interesting that the kids were told Lisa (their mother) died of a sudden heart attack but Johnny Chiaravalotti says something else:

From the first thread...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12149.msg1474857#msg1474857

Quote from you cartfly:
Just saw this on FB (pretty bold statement):

Johnny Chiaravallotti:

In 2001 , My sister Lisa passed away from a suspicious 'accidental drug overdose'. Lisa was the mother of Debbie , the mother of this missing 10 month old. This missing baby was named after her deceased grandmother. I am the Uncle of the mother (Debbie) of this missing child. My sister Lisa had 3 kids and was estranged from her husband , who was thousands of dollars behind in back child support and was living in Delaware close to his estranged wife and his 3 kids. He did not like it on the east coast. He was from Kansas City. My 36 year old sister mysteriously died from what they called an 'accidental overdose'. After her death , her estranged husband who owed thousands in back child support and didn't like living in Delaware anyway , took his 3 kids and returned to Kansas City. Debbie , the mother of this missing child , is one of them 3 kids. Now here we are 10 years after the mysterious and suspicious death of my 36 year old sister Lisa ... and the 10 month old baby who was named after her is missing. I have no been in contact with them for a few years so I don't know what's been going on in Missouri. But I will say that I have always been suspicious about my sister Lisa's estranged husband and whether or not he was involved in her death. He had plenty of motive. And he left Delaware very fast. Lisa's death looked like an accident so it was ruled an accident. But I know my sister and she was smarter than that. And her death occurred on the 10th birthday of her youngest son who found her dead in bed on his birthday. Is the disappearance of this child and the suspicious death of my sister connected ? Is this just a coincidence ? We have one Lisa dead and another Lisa missing. I love my niece Debbie , the mother of this missing child. And I have no idea who her boyfriend is. Nor do I know what was going on in their lives in the past few years. But I do know that I lost my sister Lisa 10 years ago and I will always be very suspicious about her death. Now this poor child is missing. I am curious to know if her grandfather was around.
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https://www.facebook.com/find.lisa?sk=wall 
 
 
Me - so guess I should hit up newsjournal archives to see police activity. What did she die of? Heart attack or drug overdose or overdose that instigated heart failure.

Imagine being a kid that has parents with alcohol problems, drugs involved, a young boy turning 10 on the same day he found his mother dead from "something". My God.

However, Johnny's insinuations are apparent. I think he wonders if Debbie's dad was involved since he up & moved the kids back to MO where he grew up. IMO he did what any father I know would have done - move to where you're most comfortable, to where your family is so you can lean on them for support...but it seems like he casts blame toward David. Does he blame him for little Lisa's disappearance, also, considering it's the anniversiary of her grandmother's death? How ironic that he was several thousands of dollars behind in back child support & he skipped out really fast after Lisa died. Johnny says David moved near Lisa & their kids when she wanted to go back to DE but Debbie tells her mil that her mom lived on 1 floor while her father lived on another, a home that her father bought. Something doesn't seem right. I'm going to check records. I wonder, could David have told his kids a softer version of how their mother died so as to soften the blow? Could he have moved them back to MO after Lisa's death to get them away from her family? Was her family a bad influence? Was the Netz family a bad influence? Could this be the reason David lashed out at the media & public, maybe bc he doesn't want some things to surface?

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=23510022

Birth:  Sep. 5, 1964
Death:  Apr. 10, 2001

Lisa Ann Chivalette Netz, 36, of New Castle, DE formerly of Delaware County.

Lisa was born in Chester where she was reared and educated in Chichester School District. She attended Delaware Technical School earning a certificate in the computer field. She was a self-employed house cleaner for the last 8 years. She has been a member of Alcoholics Anonymous for the last 8 years. She was the daughter of the late John Chivalette, Jr. who died in 1968
She is survived by her husband of 16 years, David L. Netz, Jr.; 2 sons, Anthony and Phillip Netz both at home; 1 daughter, "Lil" Debbie Netz at home; her mother, Margaret Pretti Chivalette of Linwood; 2 brothers, John Chivalette of White Haven, PA and Vincent Chivalette of Linwood; 3 sisters, Cindy LeRette of Kansas City, MO, Debbie Shanko of Aston, PA and Kristin Mushinski of Linwood; many nieces, nephews and friends.

Relatives and friends are invited to attend her Funeral Service, 8 pm Monday at the WARD FUNERAL HOME, 1459 Market St., Linwood where friends may call from 6-8 pm. Interment will be private at the convenience of the family.

Memorial contributions in her name to the Sun East Federal Credit Union, c/o Margaret Chivalette Trust Fund, P. O. Box 2231, Aston, PA 19014 would be appreciated by the family.
 
Family links:
 Parents:
  John Joseph Chivalette (1941 - 1968)
 
Note: Buried with John J.
 
Burial:
Immaculate Heart of Mary Catholic Cemetery
Linwood
Delaware County
Pennsylvania, USA
 
Maintained by: Tony N
Originally Created by: Rockieg
Record added: Dec 21, 2007
Find A Grave Memorial# 23510022

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Ok, I found out where Chiaravalotti comes into play...Remember that story I told ya about my family coming over on the boat...I wonder if they did as well.

Keep following...

This is Lisa Netz/s father's findagrave site:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=23510009

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Birth:  Mar. 20, 1941
Death:  Mar. 30, 1968

Services and burial for John J. Chivalette Jr., 27, who was killed by an automobile Sat. night at 3rd and Wilson Sts., Chester, will be at the convenience of the family.
He lived at 401 Trenton Court, Nether Providence.
Mr. Chivalette attended St. Hedwig's School and was graduated from Upper Chichester High School. He served from 1959 to 1963 in the U.S. Marine Corps and had been a machine operator with Scott Paper Co. in Eddystone for the past five years.
Surviving are his widow, Margaret; three daughters, Cindy Lynn, Lisa Ann, and Deborah Lee all at home; two sons, John Joseph 3rd., and Vincent James at home; his parents, Mr. and Mrs. John J. Chivalette of Boothwyn, Upper Providence; four sisters, Mrs. Barbara Kelly of Boothwyn, Mrs. Darlene Salsgiver of Linwood, Lower Chichester; Mrs. Mary Bryant of Marcus Hook, and Louise Chivalette of Boothwyn; a brother, David of Boothwyn; his grandmother, Mrs. Mary Janusiewicz of Chester and his grandfather, Theodore Chivalette of Garden City.
 
 
Family links:
 Parents:
  John Joseph Chivalette (1914 - 2010)
 
 Children:
  Lisa Ann Chivalette Netz (1964 - 2001)*
 
*Point here for explanation
 
Inscription:
DAD
 
Note: Buried with Lisa Ann.
 
Burial:
Immaculate Heart of Mary Catholic Cemetery
Linwood
Delaware County
Pennsylvania, USA
 
Maintained by: Tony N
Originally Created by: Rockieg
Record added: Dec 21, 2007
Find A Grave Memorial# 23510009

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Here is John Joseph Chivalette Jr's parents' site:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=76218288

Info at that link is as follows:

Birth:  May 3, 1914
Pennsylvania, USA
Death:  Aug., 2010
Delaware, USA

 
Family links:
Parents:
  Theodore Chiaravalloti (1883 - 1979)
  Carmella Canestrá Chiaravalloti (1887 - 1966)
 Children:
  John Joseph Chivalette (1941 - 1968)*
  David Anthony Chivalette (1953 - 1975)*
 
*Point here for explanation
 
 
Burial:
Lawn Croft Cemetery
Linwood
Delaware County
Pennsylvania, USA
 
Created by: greatgrands
Record added: Sep 08, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 76218288
 
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OMG, they're ancestry goes back to Calabria, Italy. Some of my family's heritage is from the same area! Johnny is still using correct info on his surname. He can use Chivalette OR Chiaravalotti OR Chiaravalotti. After this I'm done with the heritage stuff, only trying to help make it clear why Johnny is using that last name. If you're not of Italian heritage, you may not have known this, so no disrespect meant, literally trying to be informative.

Here's this info, so hopefully it helps some that question the changing of the last name. Keep in mind, some surnames were shortened or Americanized, some surnames was a compilation of their Italian town and area...

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=76070430

Theodore "Theodore Chivalette" Chiaravalloti, Sr

Theodore Chivalette Sr., originally Teodoro Chiaravalloti from Satriano, Catanzaro, Calabria, Italy.

note: Italian vital records for the family show the name as Chiaravalloti spelled with two L's and one T. The name is a derivative of Chiaravalle Centrale, a town very close to Satriano, where Teodoro lived.

Thanks Titch for the great finds. I had never seen Deb's Mothers photo before. I had seen this awhile back. It is a facebook page that some of the Netz's are friends with. I don't know where it is. Perhaps Venezuela?

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1105008954&sk=wall  (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1105008954&sk=wall)

I noticed Puerto Suarez posted on the wall. That's Bolivia if I remember correctly. Is this person related to Debbie's dad David somehow?

"Volunteers are organizing a search of the area around Kansas City's old Sam's Town Casino on Saturday in hopes of finding evidence in the Lisa Irwin disappearance.
Dallas psychic Stephanie Almaguer said she has had visions that the baby was accidentally killed in her home and the body was dumped near the former casino near Interstate 435 and Missouri Highway 210. The site is just a couple of miles from the Irwin home."

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29845386/detail.html#ixzz1edlLF46a (http://www.kmbc.com/news/29845386/detail.html#ixzz1edlLF46a)

Interesting. While I don't usually put much stake into what psychics have to say, I do wonder if they're watching JI and DB with this annoucement? Just to see what their reaction is to this?

I went to Stephanie's site after reading this article and found this timeline, which interestingly enough, she includes the same characters as Tamikosmom does.   http://stephaniealmaguer.blogspot.com/2011/11/lisa-irwin-missing-my-very-detailed.html

At this point, everything needs to be checked out. It saddens me that LE won't give this idea a thought at all.  They have come up with nothing themselves, why not at least try.  I know, money, man power, take no stock in what psychics say......sometimes one just has to step outside of the box.  jmoo

Janet's timeline was so well done, but I am sure any similarities the the psychic's are purely coincidentlal -- NOT!   ::MonkeyMad::

Just read this...
KMBC posted on the 23rd about the search they were doing at Sams Town. LE was there last night (the 24th) but it was too dark to search (where 2 ladies smelled human de-comp VERY strongly, they couldnt go any closer due to the smell), Im assuming their going back today but dont know that for sure. Heres the link to the KMBC article regarding the search.
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29845386/detail.html


http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=1423&p=208386#p208386

Oh how wish Lisa would be found! It really upsets me to the Nth degree that by the time Lisa is found (if she is ever found) evidence will be gone! How many more people (whether it be parents or not!) are going to get away with murdering children!?

If this alleged psychic did swipe Janet's timeline, then shame on her...because Janet researches these cases and spends hours tirelessly putting together info and timelines to help find these children!

"where 2 ladies smelled human de-comp VERY strongly, they couldnt go any closer due to the smell"
Where are you getting this info? Thanks.

*edited because I accidently cut and pasted--rather than copied and pasted--the quote I wanted to refer to from the original post. Wanted to include the original post exactly as it was posted so it would be in context. Sorry mods. And thank you. :) - stayhomemommy

It was posted on that 2nd link from the hinky meter?  I am not sure where they got their info from, just wanted to bring it forward over here.
Edit to fix quotes.  MB

This appears to be the answer to the question about the source.


http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=1423&p=208386#p208386 (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=1423&p=208386#p208386)

I haven't gone to the second site, yet. 

Personally, I haven't seen a case where psychics really provide help in cracking these cases, but I am always hoping that the truth comes out however it is discovered.

 ::CowboySmiley::

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Ah. Yes, thank you. I agree with you. Also, I think if decomp were really smelled somewhere, it would have made at least the local news. And nothing I can find on the local news sites state anything about any decomp being smelled or such. So, I will take this all with a grain of salt until I can find it reported by a news source.

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#lisairwin RT @BetsyKCTV5: On my way to former Sam's Town casino. Community search for #BabyLisa based on vision of psychic.
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community members are searching a heavily wooded area near the old Sam's Town casino.#lisairwin pic.twitter.com/OTyNrfRC (#post_lisairwinpictwittercomOTyNrfRC)
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http://www.kctv5.com/story/16126108/volunteers-search
Volunteers search former casino property based on psychic's visions
Posted: Nov 26, 2011 11:09 AM CST Updated: Nov 26, 2011 11:23 AM CST
By Laura McCallister, Multimedia Producer - email
Video at link.
KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

About 25 volunteers are out in full force Saturday, despite the rain and cold temperatures, searching for any trace of missing child Lisa Irwin.

The search started at 9 a.m. from the Chouteau Bridge over to Highway 210, most of it on the Cerner property that was formerly Sam's Town Casino.

The search area was based on the vision of a psychic from Texas. She said she saw a river by a tower and other elements that locals connected to this property.

Police have conducted multiple searches in the seven weeks since Baby Lisa disappeared, but they said they will not be participating in this one.
 ::snipping2::

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-709034
"SEARCH for BABY LISA."
By kcjayhawk  |  Posted 7 minutes ago  |  Kansas City, Missouri
 ::snipping2::
The search is centered around the Old Sam's Town Casino, next to the BNSF Railroad tracks and Missouri River. So far the search has turned up nothing but the concern of the BSNF Railroad Police.

The Search may continue later today around the Choteau Bridge where Search Organizer Edith Fine-Duskin, says a psychic in Texas told her she saw a vision of a baby being thrown off a bridge.

http://www.kmbc.com/r-slideshow/29861944/detail.html
Images: Baby Lisa Search Near Sam's Town 11/26/2011

BBM, that's a pretty safe vision in KC and any city with a good-sized river.  As are bridges. That said, if they find her there then I will have to pay more attention to this psychics visions in the future.

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#babylisa #lisairwin - Baby Lisa Irwin searcher claims searchers were run off by RR police & threatened w/jail > on.fb.me/tIEAhH (http://on.fb.me/tIEAhH)
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::MonkeyNoNo:: Instead of running the people off WHO ARE SEARCHING FOR A MISSING BABY, they should be joining in as they know the areas around the tracks, like culverts, drainage pipes, etc.   ::MonkeyMad::

::rhino::

More photos.
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-709114
Unknown Well Just Found in Baby Lisa River Search!!!  11/26/2011
By kcjayhawk  |  Posted 3 minutes ago  |  Kansas City, Missouri


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#BabyLisa citizen searchers called PD about a well. Det went w them to identify area, then left saying he did not know if PD would return.
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I don't know.  Given the way the case has gone so far, I can see the attys crying foul over anything that was found by a volunteer.  Maybe LE is thinking that they need to control any evidence found to protect the integrity of the case?   

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So far baby Lisa Irwin search has turned up nothing but concern of BSNF Railroad Police #babylisa #lisairwin > bit.ly/uRvgvL
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KCMO Dectective Views Well in Baby Lisa River Search.
By kcjayhawk  |  Posted 3 minutes ago  |  Kansas City, Missouri
 

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Oops, sorry Muffy! I hate that I make more work for you! ::MonkeyNoNo::



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Baby Lisa Irwin searcher states earlier reports that permission was gained were false #babylisa #lisairwin > bit.ly/se5lIl
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http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/256429/20111126/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-volunters-search-closed.htm

Missing Baby Lisa Irwin: Volunteers Search Closed Casino, But Are Police Giving Up?
November 26, 2011 2:21 PM EST

 ::snipping2::

The search Saturday seems to be one of the few leads in the disappearance of baby Lisa Irwin in the past week. Although police have received over 1,000 tips and leads since the disappearance of the child, leads have begun to dry up. 

"It doesn't mean it can't warm up in the future," former FBI agent Jeff Lanza told KCTV 5. "It just means cold right now... As leads come in, they will take action when action is needed."

Police insist that they have not given up on baby Lisa Irwin, reports The Associated Press. However, a command post set up for police and FBI agents to investigate the disappearance of missing baby Lisa Irwin has been shut down, Kansas City police reported Wednesday. 

Detectives have been moved from their outpost back to their old offices. Young told KCTV 5 that, nonetheless, the case remains open and police continue to investigate.

"There is still work being done on the case," Young said Wednesday, reports the AP. "It's not to say there has been neglect on the other cases, but there has been a heavy workload for detectives who weren't assigned to the command post ... This will get things more back to normal."

Police also say they have to turn their attention to other child abuse and neglect cases that have come in since Lisa's disappearance. The Kansas City Crimes Against Children Unit currently has more than 200 cases, so it would be difficult to keep numerous local and federal agents focused on Lisa Irwin.

Still, Young insists that police will not push aside baby Lisa's case. Seven or eight detectives remain assigned to her investigation, but they will also be looking at other cases. 

"The people who are working this are not going to let this go," Young told the Kansas City Star. "But we have other cases and other victims."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kmbc.com/slideshow/news/29861944/detail.html     (  Note from Psychic  )

Stephanie Cagle Almaguer · Top Commenter · Waxahachie, Texas
OK- I posted a video, and then was told - NO! Remove video....so I did....As soon as I can figure out this WebCam (it's not working right) I will be Posting new video.....Also, From Today - forward, I will not be posting new information on my Blog in terms of Lisa Irwin. I in no way will hinder or sabotage this Investigation. Keep your eyes on the media for updates....They will be your best source of information, Now. THANK YOU to everyone who participated in today's search - Incredible! I will let you know.....as of now, there is no "NEW" information posted online from Media or anyone re: the search, that I have found other than this slide show & what has already been published, only indicating that there "would be" a search...Not sure when media will update status of today's search.....or at this point, if they will reveal an...See More
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anything, yet, other than the slide show of pictures..... sorry - ALSO, I am telling anyone & everyone....If you saw the video, before it was removed, you must know that it was removed for a reason...... Validating myself, or anything psychic, is absolutely of ZERO importance - So, if you care anything at all about Justice for Baby, Lisa Renee Irwin, please - do not show the video - period. If you did manage to get a copy & reveal it..... you are out to help her remain "lost", that indicates you are involved in this crime~IMO - and I'm sure LE will eventually catch up to you - THIS IN NO WAY IS SAYING B-LISA WAS FOUND, OR WILL BE FOUND - I'M JUST SAYIN....... That's all I have to say on this matter, for now - Thank you to all the searchers....... Great Job! ~ Stephanie Cagle Almaguer.

::MonkeyConfused::

Thank you for the updates.  

I wonder what she is on about...

Good grief   ::MonkeyHaHa::, that's a bunch of words to say nothing.  I wonder if the whole video thing is because they were on private property without permission or the video shows faces of the BNSF workers.

And thank you trimmonthelake for keeping us so well updated!

http://fox4kc.com/2011/11/26/volunteers-search-for-baby-lisa-after-tip-from-psychic/#.TtF0_Z1U7kI.twitter
Volunteers Search for Baby Lisa After Tip from Psychic
5:20 pm, November 26, 2011, by Carey Wickersham
Video report.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/police-say-no-reason-not-to-search-well-found-by-psychic-baby-lisa-case
Police say no reason not to search well found by psychic in Baby Lisa case
Isabelle Zehnder, Missing Persons Examiner November 27, 2011 -
KANSAS CITY, Missouri (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) -- Police say there's no reason not to search the well that was discovered during a search for missing Missouri baby Lisa Irwin Saturday.

The search was said to be based on a vision from Dallas, Texas psychic Stephanie Almaguer. Some two dozen members of the local Kansas City community searched an area, including a well, near the river Saturday.

The search began at 9 a.m., KCTV 5 News reports, from the Chouteau Bridge over to Hwy 210. Most of the search focused on the Cerner property that was formerly Sam's Town Casino.

The public questioned if police plan to conduct a professional search of the well. Kansas City Police spokesman Steve Young said in an email Sunday afternoon, "We are exploring the possibility of searching it soon. Numerous resources are needed to get it done, but no reason not to search it."

Continue reading on Examiner.com Police say no reason not to search well found by psychic in Baby Lisa case - National missing persons | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/police-say-no-reason-not-to-search-well-found-by-psychic-baby-lisa-case#ixzz1ewoIYo2k

To all this, police is holding on to facts and evidence that could help the public be of more help in solving the case.

But the silence is understandable, they can't give the defense any more ammunition in case of a trial.

But, there hasn't been any new information for the past two weeks, and everything is now at a stand still. These people involved in the crime are not geniuses or career criminals. They ought to have made mistakes before and after the crime. Somewhere there is a trail of what happened.

Maybe the right questions are not being asked.

yep i think if the LE could talk with DB,they would get some answers
DB saying the LE are trying to railroad her,just doesnt work,that was
DB excuse to get a lawyer,
LE lie twist what ever they have to, to get the truth,its not like the bad
guy will say sure i did it

Can't figure out if I got in Trimm's box in the post above, or just didn't successfully input what I was going to say.  I can't seem to get my Android to work well on websites, but it is probably the user.

What I meant to say was that just when I thought this case couldn't get in weirder, I does.  I am not sure what LE has or doesn't have, but they evidently don't have enough for an indictment against anyone.  At  this point they should have the forensics back, or at least the preliminary results.  I am wondering if they are playing the waiting game on this case, hoping, as  IMoose noted, that one of these non-Mensa candidates is going to blab something to someone who has enough conscience to go to the police.

Otherwise, we have Haleigh Cummings, Hailey Dunn, and all the rest of the missing and unaccounted for.  What ties the cases of the two Hailey's and Lisa together is the close accessibility of disposal sites.  The water, and what it contains is an amazingly efficient decomposition media; as far as Hailey Dunn, the hundreds of ponds in the area added to hundreds of abandoned water and petroleum wells make recovery impossible without the right information. 

Alas, maybe I am getting pessimistic, but I think parents who commit infanticide have learned from high profile cases and TV forensic shows that time is their best ally and silence is their best defense.   :smt078

I agree flutter. I also wondered if LE coming across as "eh, whatever" is a tactic by them. I would hope so; alas, like you accurately said, just look at all the children lost and not found. :(

What is wrong with the cops.
Any help is better the none....

Just heard on fox with Megan said the cops r going to search a well on private property...

OK, Karma is coming after  you Deb......you don't go past go, you go straight to jail...

 ::MonkeyMad::

With the utmost respect, I don't know if I totally agree with the theory that any help is better than none.  When we were hunting for Hailey Dunn, we were told specifically not to go on private property unless the owner had given us permission.  The coordinators of the search knew which property we had been given permission and which we had not.  Also, I am not sure if evidence found on property would be admissible as evidence.  I know that the police can not introduce evidence that was obtained without a legal warrant. 

I don't remember reading if someone actually obtained permission, but if not, those people were trespassing.  If it were my property, I would be a little concerned about a group of strangers converging on my property on the say so of a psychic in Texas.  What would have happened if someone had fallen down the well?  Any liability would have fallen upon the owner.   And I would be really be ticked off if something were damaged.   

Also, in all of the searches I have seen before, there has been some organization of where searches are performed.  That way a record is kept of what has been covered and what has not. 

Again, I am all for finding Lisa but I would like to make sure that the search is not only organized but legal.    Okay, I am going to hide in the rafters until the nanners stop flying at me.

No flying nanners coming from me. Once again, I agree with you. I would hate evidence that could convict to be left out because it wasn't admissable. That might even be worse than KC walking free. *sigh*

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@ProfilerPatB is on the show tonight at 9 PM ET to discuss #MichelleParker & #LisaIrwin! Listen here: blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2011/… (http://blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2011/…)
37 minutes ago

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2011/11/29/lisa-irwin-and-michelle-parker-cases
Lisa Irwin and Michelle Parker cases!
by Levi Page Show

I understand, who would go on private property? That diffidently is a no no.

You bought up casey A case. 
Was the cops that didn't do their jobs, for not looking when Crank called the 1st time in August, not a private citizen. 
If I remember correctly the cop that did come out, wouldn't go in far, because of a snake..... ::MonkeyShocked::

http://fox4kc.com/2011/11/28/custody-battle-for-jeremy-irwins-son-moves-forward/
Custody Battle for Jeremy Irwin’s Son Moves Forward
9:32 pm, November 28, 2011, by Abby Eden
Video at link.
KANSAS CITY, Mo.–Since October 4th, Jeremy Irwin’s life has been in the spotlight as investigators search for his missing baby girl, Lisa.  Among those caught in the glare of media coverage is his eight-year-old son, Lisa’s half brother.

The boy’s biological mother, Rasleen Raim, has gone to court,, saying she’s concerned for her son’s safety, comfort and peace of mind.  She’s asked the court to give her custody of the child.  Irwin’s attorney says, that would be a difficult case to make.

“They have to prove that there are changed circumstances of a continuing and substantial nature,” John Picerno says.

Picerno says the boy and his other half brother have been kept out of the spotlight, and he says Deborah and Jeremy are good parents, the only strike against them he says was October 4th.
 ::snipping2::

Yes, that is the way I remember it, and I also believe that deputy was eventually fired for his lack of diligence, to put it mildly.  But in this case, I believe that the citizen search has MADE the police due a thorough search of the property.  I pray that this will help to bring closure to this case and this poor baby can be brought "hoome." ::CowboySmiley::

http://www.facebook.com/LisaIrwinUpdates?sk=wall&filter=1
Edith Fine
Want to let everyone know tomorrows prayer vigil will be the last one. At 7 pm at Baby Lisa House 3620 N Lister KCMO Requested by Deborah Bradley Baby Lisa Mom to be the last one. Thank you everyone that has come to the many we have had.
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WTH - the mom wants the prayer vigils to stop? Sounds like she just wants to move on and forget this sweet little girl.

really!!!!

http://fox4kc.com/2011/11/28/custody-battle-for-jeremy-irwins-son-moves-forward/

Custody Battle for Jeremy Irwin’s Son Moves Forward

 ::snipping2::
The boy’s biological mother, Rasleen Raim, has gone to court,, saying she’s concerned for her son’s safety, comfort and peace of mind.  She’s asked the court to give her custody of the child.  Irwin’s attorney says, that would be a difficult case to make.

From Fox and Friends a few minutes ago:

Taco Joe is such a sleazeball.  The cadaver dog alerted on baby diaper.  The parents continue to hope and pray for a safe return.

Then why cancel the prayer vigils?

Attorneys are like proctologists -- they may be necessary but they sure are disgusting! ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/11/29/lisa-irwin-case-picerno-continues-to-jump-the-shark/
Lisa Irwin case: Picerno continues to jump the shark
Posted on November 29, 2011 by Valhall

There ARE changed circumstances of a continuing and substantial nature... like the baby sister being kidnapped from her own crib. How can the parents bring this young boy back to the same place where it happened? The anxiety and fear of it happening to himself must be overwhelming, something that should require therapy and counseling for a long time.

The stepmother drinking to the point of passing out, while caring for the children should be another change, if the court didn't know of it at custody time.

And... NOBODY can say that October 4th (or 3rd) was the first and last time that Deborah got drunk, and smoked the night away with her friends while in care of the young children.

After all... she has to have "grown up" time... even if nobody is caring for the children while she does it.

-----

I hope the local police don't get scared of the lawyers for the Irwins defense. The prosecutors can still successfully try this case if they bring a solid and tight case to court.

Even the best lawyers loose cases.

RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
Irwin attorney: hopeful Lisa will be found. Says Jeremy Irwin returned to work yesterday. #lisairwin #babylisa
11 minutes ago
Russ Ptacek
RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
Irwin attorney on custody battle: We are not opposed to gag order. Jeremy is great dad. Mother is a "deadbeat mom." #lisairwin #babylisa
14 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)

Itaryl Moosee,I agree with you.  ::rhino::

http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)
RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
Irwin gag order hearing today requested by appointed guardian for half-brother of #babylisa #lisairwin. Rescheduled til 7th. @nbcactionnews
5 minutes ago
Case Signal (BeanE)
CaseSignal Case Signal (BeanE)
Gag order discussed in custody battle over Lisa Irwin's half-brother - #babylisa #lisairwin - NBCActionNews> bit.ly/vllSPt
8 minutes ago

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Gag-order-discussed-in-custody-battle-over-Lisa-Irwin-s-half-brother#.TtUFuavyq6Y.twitter
Gag order discussed in custody battle over Lisa Irwin's half-brother
Posted: 10:16 AM
Last Updated: 8 minutes ago

LIBERTY, Mo. - A judge is mulling discussions regarding a gag order in the custody battle over one of Lisa Irwin’s half-brothers.

Jeremy Irwin, baby Lisa's father, did not appear for the 9 a.m. hearing Tuesday regarding the custody of his son, Blake.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Gag-order-discussed-in-custody-battle-over-Lisa-Irwin-s-half-brother#.TtUFuavyq6Y.twitter#ixzz1f72bT4V5

RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
Attorney for mother of half brother doesn't show in gag order hearing. case postponed #babylisa #lisairwin
5 minutes ago  http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)

HUH?  She appears to absent regarding her child in all aspects.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

CaseSignal Case Signal (BeanE)
Attorney Tacopina for Irwin family weighs in on Psychic Lead in Baby Lisa Case - #babylisa (#post_babylisa) #lisairwin (#post_lisairwin) Fox News Video > bit.ly/s4bK5D (http://bit.ly/s4bK5D)
1 minute ago http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1300232925001/psychic-lead-in-baby-lisa-case
Psychic Lead in Baby Lisa Case?
Nov 29, 2011
- 4:03 -
Attorney for Baby Lisa's family weighs in

It says her attorney was absent. Was she also not there?

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Gag-order-discussed-in-custody-battle-over-Lisa-Irwin-s-half-brother
Posted: 10:16 AM
Last Updated: 9 minutes ago
 ::snipping2::
Irwin's attorney, John Picerno, said Rasleen hasn't seen her son for six years and that Jeremy plans to fight the petition.

Picerno said his clients will not go through another round of separate interviews with police regarding Lisa, despite the standing request from KCPD.

He said Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin were interviewed for a total of 30 hours individually on October 4, Oct 6 and Oct 8.  He said the only time they were represented by an attorney was on October 8.

Picerno said his clients were interrogated during the meetings and that it wouldn't be "productive" or in "their best interest" to go through it again.

KCPD spokesperson Capt. Steve Young said, "Some of the questions may have made Deborah and Jeremy uncomfortable but we are trying to find a missing child."

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Gag-order-discussed-in-custody-battle-over-Lisa-Irwin-s-half-brother#ixzz1f7bDpgJu

RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
Neither parent appear in gag order hearing #babylisa #lisairwin @NBCActionNews shar.es/oCtzt
1 minute ago http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Gag-order-discussed-in-custody-battle-over-Lisa-Irwin-s-half-brother
Last Updated: 2 minutes ago
LIBERTY, Mo. - A hearing regarding a gag order in the custody battle over one of Lisa Irwin’s half-brothers has been delayed until Dec. 7.

Neither the boy's mother Rasleen Raim nor father Jeremy Irwin, who is also Baby Lisa's father, were in court for the 9 a.m. hearing Tuesday regarding the order in the court battle for custody of their son.

The attorney for Raim did not appear for the hearing.  Irwin was represented by Kansas City attorney John Picerno.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Gag-order-discussed-in-custody-battle-over-Lisa-Irwin-s-half-brother#ixzz1f7n6C71z

 ::snipping2::

BBM, Unfreakinbelievable. Is there not one person involved in this case who has even an ounce of humanity. The 'only strike'... it's the king of all 'only strikes'.  Maybe, just maybe and it sickens me to say this, Lisa is in better, healthier, happier, safer place.  It also sickens me that her creators and their relatives are running around free as birds, apparently without a care in the world while protected by their scumbag lawyers. 

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16148252/last-prayer-vigil-to-be-held?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Last prayer vigil to be held Tuesday night
Posted: Nov 29, 2011 4:18 PM CST Updated: Nov 29, 2011 4:21 PM CST
By Laura McCallister, Multimedia Producer - email
 ::snipping2::
Those who organize prayer vigils for baby Lisa said that Tuesday night will be the last vigil at the request of her mother, Debbie Bradley.  The vigil will be outside the family's home on North Lister Avenue at 7 p.m.

Anyone with information is asked to call the Tips Hotline at 816-474-TIPS.

CaseSignal Case Signal (BeanE)
#babylisa RT @zachteck: Headed up to what is supposed to be final vigil for #lisairwin (#post_lisairwin) at home on lister. Live report at ten.
1 minute ago
Zach Tecklenburg
zachteck Zach Tecklenburg
Headed up to what is supposed to be final vigil for #lisairwin (#post_lisairwin) at home on lister. Live report at ten.
25 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)

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I wonder if Jeremy got custody of his son, because Rasleen Raim did not have her papers,
and was not in the states legally. Maybe he threatened her with that. Thats the only reason
I can think for her caving in.??????

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/vigil-group-doesnt-understand-why-irwin-family-wants-them-gone
Vigil group doesn't understand why Irwin family wants them gone

Video at link.
 ::snipping2::
The group has held nightly vigils since Lisa's disappearance on Oct. 4. Fine-Duskin said she can't understand why the family wants the nightly gathering gone.

"I'm doing everything I can to bring that child back to her and her family," said Fine-Duskin.

Jeremy Irwin's father, Rick, said the family appreciates the support and hopes it will continue, just not in the front yard.

"Continuing to have them here in the yard is just overwhelming for them," said Rick Irwin.

He said while the family will never be back to normal, they are trying to recapture some of it, not only for Lisa's parents but also her two half brothers.

"Kids are resilient, but still under these kinds of circumstances, these kids are torn up inside too," said Rick Irwin.

Rick Irwin encourages people to keep praying, looking and supporting. Fine-Duskin said they will do just that.

"Because we haven't found baby Lisa. Why give up on a child?" she said.

Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley were not present at the final vigil. They left the property a few minutes prior. The group wishes Lisa's parents had participated more.

Fine-Duskin said the vigils will continue, but she is unsure where they will be held.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/vigil-group-doesnt-understand-why-irwin-family-wants-them-gone#ixzz1fBp3veGY

http://fox4kc.com/2011/11/29/irwin-family-wants-vigils-to-stop/
Irwin Family Wants Vigils to Stop
9:28 pm, November 29, 2011, by Macradee Aegerter
Video at link.
 ::snipping2::
The group that calls themselves Lisa’s Angels has conducted more than 20 searches.  FOX 4′s Macradee Aegerter talked to the group who says they don’t understand why the family doesn’t want the public’s support.

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https://twitter.com/#!/zachteck (https://twitter.com/#!/zachteck)
zachteck Zach Tecklenburg
Final vigil at home of #lisairwin (#post_lisairwin). A little more than a dozen in attendance. twitpic.com/7lud3x (http://twitpic.com/7lud3x)
13 hours ago

There are a couple of good things about the bio-mom going for custody, besides the obvious.  A home-study should be ordered for both residences and both parents.  Those are gone by CPS, or whatever agency the state has.  The second things is that the court should appoint a Ad Litem attorney for the children.  Both of these actions will shed light on the parenting skills  and living arrangements of the boys. 
 ::CowboySmiley::

Psychic discussing case on FOX right now.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/11/30/baby-lisa-update-psychic-believes-baby%E2%80%99s-body-is-near-casino/
3:28 pm ET November 30, 2011
Baby Lisa Update: Psychic Believes Baby’s Body Is Near Casino
by America Live Posted in: Baby Lisa, Deborah Bradley, Deborah Irwin, Lisa Irwin, Megan Wright, Stephanie Almaguer
Video at link.

This lady looked medicated to me.JMO

http://twitter.com/#!/vinniepolitan (http://twitter.com/#!/vinniepolitan)
VinniePolitan Vinnie Politan
What questions do YOU have for the psychic helping in the search for Baby Lisa? Let me know and I'll ask her tonight #HLN (#post_HLN) at 6pm.
3 hours ago

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/30/us-baby-missing-idUSTRE7AT2OC20111130
By Kevin Murphy

KANSAS CITY, Mo | Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:14pm EST

(Reuters) - Vigils held almost nightly to pray for missing Kansas City infant Lisa Irwin outside her home have ended at the family's request, their lawyers said on Wednesday.

Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, parents of Lisa, will continue private vigils but no longer want a group of people in their yard each night, the couples' attorneys said Wednesday.

"Vigils by a large number of people on their front lawn is a spectacle, disturbing to their neighbors, and disruptive, especially to their young sons, in their attempt to return to as normal a family life as possible under the circumstances," lawyers John Picerno of Kansas City and Joe Tacopina said an e-mail Wednesday.
 ::snipping2::

Oh, I see.  You want us to pray for baby Lisa's return, just not where you can see us.  Does anyone else find that just a tad hypocritical?   ::MonkeyEek::

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-710220?ref=feeds%2Flatest

snip;

Last Prayer Vigil For Baby Lisa?
By kcjayhawk  |  Posted 16 hours ago  |  Kansas City, Missouri

 
CNN PRODUCER NOTE     

iReport — Sources are telling the Organizer of the Baby Lisa Prayer Vigils that there will be no more Prayer Vigils at the Home of Baby Lisa.

Edith Fine-Duskin was told by family members of Baby Lisa that tonight’s Prayer Vigil is the last at the Irwin Home. The news upset some of the dozen or so citizens that showed up for tonight’s Vigil. Before the Prayer Vigil tonight, frustration and anger was prevalent after a white Lincoln Town Car sped away from the home of Baby Lisa with the mother and children in the car. A citizen yelled, "Sure, that's ok, just leave", a family member or friend of the Irwin family then yelled back, "Who said that?", "Come on, who said that?" No one answered. The female friend / family member then yelled,” Edith, was that you?". Edith Fine -Duskin, (Baby Lisa's Angel as I have named her), then yelled, "No! It wasn't me. You know better than that".

I can state uncatagorically that Ms. Edith Fine-Duskin was “NOT” the citizen who was yelling at the family as the car sped away. I will not say who the individual was, but as I have stated, it was “NOT” Baby Lisa’s Angel, Ms. Fine-Duskin.

Tempers calmed as a group of neighbors and family members stayed on one side of the driveway and citizens for the prayer vigil stood in the street in front of the Irwin home with media surrounding them. There is always this group of young and older men, women, teenagers, that always come out and gather in their own little click. Some of those people are neighbors, family and friends. These people very rarely will mingle with the citizens that are there to show their support. They just stand there and watch, whisper and judge, they are like the vultures that wait for a mistake so they can attack the citizens who care.

_____________________________________________________________

I would have asked them to stop and/or do it else where a long time ago but that is just me. 

Unfortunately it appears more and more that every loony tune in the world is latching onto these missing child cases.  JMO, of course.

http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23lisairwin)  Edit-fixed link.  MB
Levi_Page Levi Page
REPLAY: @ProfilerPatB confronts #LisaIrwin "psychic" on #LeviPageShow! Listen here: blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2011/… (http://blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2011/…)
2 minutes ago

Ashley Irwin's (JI's sister) FB page:
Edit to add link per cartfly.  MB https://www.facebook.com/ashley.irwin2010?sk=wall

Me: Hey Ashley, If your brother and his wife would show half the interest you have in finding Baby Lisa, maybe the rest of us wouldn't be so critical of their guilt! Debra and Jeremy have brought this scrutiny on themselves......period ~end of rant~

oops sorry, in my frustration with this family, I forgot the link:
(Added link to post.  MB)

https://www.facebook.com/ashley.irwin2010?sk=wall  (https://www.facebook.com/ashley.irwin2010?sk=wall)

BBM  ::rhino::

 ::rhino::  ITA Cartfly.  If you don't want to talk to LE you don't have to, if you don't want to talk to media you don't have to, if you don't want prayer vigils on your property you don't have to...but for the love of GOD and LISA get off your own asses go search and/or show some interest in finding your daughter to the public.

They have gone beyond the pale even for me at this point.  They can go sit their lame asses right next to Terri Horman now.

Fatcatlurker...   ::rhino::

I don't know if this is more hysteria or not, but the Justice for Baby Lisa FB site is heating up again.


https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-for-Lisa-Irwin/290185081005988 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-for-Lisa-Irwin/290185081005988)

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/259374/20111201/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-psychic-believes-toddler.htm (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/259374/20111201/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-psychic-believes-toddler.htm)

http://theklaasact.blogspot.com/2011/12/baby-lisa-and-loss-of-faith.html#!/2011/12/baby-lisa-and-loss-of-faith.html

Snipped;

How normal can life be if your home has been broken into, your infant has been kidnapped and remains missing and your other children are left to believe that an evil boogeyman who has already stolen your sister remains at large? If your lawyer and not your heart speak on your behalf then your sense of normal probably belongs in a courtroom, not a living room. If you can convince yourself that a return to normal means that there should be no more vigils on your front lawn then you are either in denial or something more sinister is afoot. It took many years after my daughter Polly’s tragedy before Violet and I were able to adjust to our new normal. We had lost a piece of our soul, our vision of the future as her tragic fate severely challenged our faith.
____________________________________________________________

 ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

For the Klaas Family.

http://theklaasact.blogspot.com/2011/12/baby-lisa-and-loss-of-faith.html#!/2011/12/baby-lisa-and-loss-of-faith.html (http://theklaasact.blogspot.com/2011/12/baby-lisa-and-loss-of-faith.html#!/2011/12/baby-lisa-and-loss-of-faith.html)
more
 ::snipping2::
Volunteers who are invested in the safe return of baby Lisa need support from the family, not indifference or condemnation, yet they have been blown off by Jeremy and Deborah. After all, it has been demonstrated time and time again that the recovery of an abducted child requires a full team effort that includes volunteers. But no: instead of assisting in baby Lisa’s recovery, the volunteers are told that they are making it impossible for the family to return to a normal routine.
_____________________________________
me
normal routine,hows that happen,now that your baby is missing
 ::MonkeyEek::

"Alia" This may be a mis-spelling. Just caught this report on HLN. Three-year-old, missing. Mommy goes to wake her up to take her temperature and she was missing. Instead of calling 911, she drives around for hours. Sound familiar?

This child looks so much like "Gracie" in the "Enough" movie. Gracie called herself Queen Elizabeth.

Similarities to Lisa's case, so close I feel like a profiler needs to do a comparative and give suggestions why these mothers feel they can just "disappeared" their children. Whew! ::MonkeyNoNo::

The Klaas family has been to hell and back. I can not imagine how horrific this has been for Mark and Polly's mother. I have allot of respect for Mark for becoming an advocate for other missing children. Prayers to all of Polly's loved ones ::MonkeyAngel::

~warning RANT coming on...~

Take note Debra, an innocent person doesn't give up looking for their missing child nor does that person return to a "normal" life after a couple of months. So, Deb are you going to have to get a job now that your precious baby Lisa is no longer in your home? The other children go to school, so what will you do all day long now? Are you expecting Jeremy to let you sit on your wine drinking ass while he goes back to work?  ::MonkeyMad::

Is this a new child missing or is this in reference to Aliayah Lunsford from Weston, WV missing for several months? Gosh, I hope we aren't looking at another missing child case....

You are correct. This is Aliayah...I had not followed the case and did not know the similarities until last night. Right down to the purple night clothes. Thanks for providing the information regarding the length of time she has been missing.
Edit to fix Aliayah's name.  MB

Link to Aliayah's thread here at Scared Monkeys. JM  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12125.0

ITA - ask John Walsh, Mark Lunsford, or Carrie McGonigle about life after a child goes missing.  There is no "normal" especially during the time when the fate of the missing innocent is still unknown. 

I despise people who cry for help and then hide when they become the object of scrutiny.  Everything they did after the birth of their children has directly impacted the lives of those children -- for the good or for the bad.  Whether their past history has directly caused Lisa to go missing, the "me first" attitude expressed by DB as her "adult time" indicates that she is self-absorbed and egotistical. 

For Example:  Her failure to get a divorce from her first husband before she established a familial relationship with another man and had a child by him, shows that she doesn't care about doing things right.  This is not me making a moral judgement . . . Who paid for her hospital stay with Lisa?  Was it Jeremy's insurance (the responsible party) or her husband's military benefits?  Some might say, "Who cares?"  I say that such behavior is an example of a person not caring about doing the right, i.e. legal, thing.  If she will rip off the government for her maternity benefits, what other transgressions does she see as unimportant?  Evidently driving without a license is one of them based on her published record.  Getting plastered while your children, including a sick baby, are under your care, is another.

Very rarely does the abduction of a child happen because of one indiscretion of the parents.   There is usually a pattern of other incidents of neglect and/or abuse.  If these parents aren't willing to open up their lives to the police in order to help get their child back, then they care more about their own skeletons than they do the return of their child.

As for them not wanting the candle vigils on their front lawn, to me that is a sign that their conscience is bothering them.  Too bad, I hope it continues to tear up the soul until they decide to do the "right" thing for their daughter.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyHang:: ::pullinghairout::

So well said, flutter1, I totally agree!

The psychic who offered info about the casino IMO is not creditable. JMO
I blogged where she did early in the Caylee Anthony case, &
she never gave any solid info or leads.

Isn't she a LE officer ? Or former and has had many issues emotionally ?

She commented about Haleigh Cummings


http://johnhgohdecommentator.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/misty-croslin-pee-theory/ (http://johnhgohdecommentator.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/misty-croslin-pee-theory/)

Looks like a lot of cat fighting over credibility.... :smt119 ::MonkeyCat::

and in Caylee 

http://www.cayleedaily.com/tag/casey-anthony-latest-news/ (http://www.cayleedaily.com/tag/casey-anthony-latest-news/)

Okay, I am ready to officially call her a crack pot trying to make a name for herself by solving missing children cases by her "visions."  Like a blind squirrel, keep at it long enough and she will eventually come across her acorn. 

 ::CowboySmiley::

Lisa's Angels should go and pray where the dumpster fire was. They should pray for two reasons: for finding out the truth and to hopefully, find Lisa, and also to bring attention and keep the story in the news.
 
Baby Lisa's story should never go away. God Bless Lisa's angels, for searching, more than her parents have done. IMO.

Keep up the vigils you wonderful Angels!!!

Stand in the middle of the road, on public property just over the line RIGHT IN FRONT OF the 'Brad-Win' home.

NEVER TURN DOWN THE HEAT!  EVER!

Give it time...Someone in that house - will break.

JMOO = Just MY OUTRAGED Opinion.

Thanks Yoder. I caught Nancy Grace when she aired a 2nd time and realized what you were talking about. I am just thankful that it wasn't another child missing. There have been way to many cases recently that it is difficult to follow all of them. Aliayah sure is a beautiful little girl. It is sad that her own mother was too self absorbed to see what special gift she had.

Ditto, beautifully said Flutter ::MonkeyAngel::

When my boys were 8 and 5, if such a tragedy had happened to their sister, they would have been so comforted (as would I) to look outside every night and see people right in front of my home...praying for her and praying for my family.

 I wonder why it sticks in DB's craw?

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=78835
Lisa Renee Irwin Possible Location(s):National
Latest Airing  December 02 2011

I am so glad I wasnt the only one to see the similarities of both Aliayah's and Lisa's case, I was seeing the similarities but was dealing with my mom being sick that I didnt have time to go back and check my facts out to see if I was right or wrong on them. So thanks for bringing this up.

As for the vigils I cant imagine a family asking people to stop praying for their missing child. with all the players in this case of Lisa I am wondering if baby Lisa wasnt used as a sacrifice or something. And DB and  JI along with neighbors werent in a cult of some kind.

I dont know but I pray each night and day for these two little ones who seems parents have no use in finding them.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16176773/americas-most-wanted-featuring-missing-baby-lisa-irwin
America's Most Wanted featuring missing baby Lisa Irwin
Posted: Dec 02, 2011 4:41 PM CST Updated: Dec 02, 2011 7:09 PM CST
By DeAnn Smith, Digital Content Manager - email
 ::snipping2::
Walsh has conducted several interviews with the national media about the search for Lisa, including Inside Edition. He urged Irwin and Bradley to work with the authorities.

"They should cooperate with police fully. They should do all the media they can and they should remember one thing - if they had nothing to do with their daughter's disappearance, they need to be the face of baby Lisa," Walsh told Inside Edition, which is carried on KCTV5.

Walsh said this week that parents have the right to get an attorney, but should do everything they can to find their missing baby including running the search effort from their home. He has thrown veiled criticism toward Irwin and Bradley for not doing more to find their missing child.

"You keep searching if you have nothing to do with the disappearance of your child. You are there every day at the police station saying what can I do to get this baby back," Walsh said.

America's Most Wanted is now airing on Lifetime and is celebrating its 25th season.

Click here to go to the show's website. http://www.amw.com/show_archive/tv_detail.cfm?id=1647

Has this been posted yet? Note Johnny is DB's maternal Uncle who has posted in the past about his family history/dysfunction

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 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=310677225623440&set=a.290677257623437.77907.290185081005988&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=310677225623440&set=a.290677257623437.77907.290185081005988&type=1&theater)

Wow, these people are really against Tony.  Interesting.  Because I don't believe that he has been anyone's focus.  Kind of odd.

Lab~ You are right about the focus on Tony....there hasn't been much if anything. I find his comments very interesting regarding Tony Netz.

Do we have a photo of Tony Netz? Most of all the talk was about Phillip, but I can not remember much other than DB's dad mentioning Tony in passing regarding the cell phones.

I want to say that there is a pic of Tony on here somewhere...I am thinking that he is standing with the family at a press conference.  But, I am not certain, it has been awhile. 

Thanks Labubske, I will look around more. I did a search in the very first thread but didn't come up with much. ::MonkeyAngel::

Ok.  I was looking too.  But, haven't come up with it yet either.  If you see one of the family standing in front of the house I think that he is in that picture with them.  It is a press conference.  My son is asking to use my laptop right now.  Be back later.

I did run across this that was posted in #5:

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 Missing Persons - High Profile / Missing Persons - High Profile - Archives / Re: Lisa Irwin #5 10/21/11 -
on: October 30, 2011, 04:06:47 PM
Started by Nut44x4, Message by StarMonkey
Relevance: 51.9%
Found a pic of Tony Netz. I'm positive this is the right one. When doing an image search this pic cones up and then takes me to his Facebook which his avi has changed but was this pic before

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 http://picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer#albumlist/109430035977883224323

He was not the one at store w Debbie it was phillip. Tony seems to be an outcast of the family. He also shared the same home # as Cindy lerette .

Thanks Labuske~ YOU ROCK ::MonkeyAngel:: You are quite the sleuth!! I couldn't find squat on him. On that Justice for Lisa FB site there is some speculation he set up this facebook page:
 https://www.facebook.com/pages/Think-About-It/273152616030438 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Think-About-It/273152616030438)

Thanks cartfly!  I haven't seen this FB page.  Hmmm...I remember seeing the post "think about it."  I didn't know what it meant, I guess now I do.  I am going to go read it now.

Little Lisa should be going to the mall to see the Christmas lights and have her picture taken with Santa.  I'd be insane if she were mine.

You are so right. It is so heart breaking knowing that baby Lisa is not out enjoying her first Christmas.  ::MonkeyAngel::
An innocent parent would be out there pleading in front of any camera regardless of the media and public scrutiny. Why care what anyone thinks of you? Why are you more worried about yourself than your own precious daughter Deb? This speaks volumes to me.

I agree with you Cartfly! Doesn't seem Deborah ever fought to find Lisa!
It's truly a shame she never lifted a finger to find her own daughter ..

I am sure beyond a shadow of a doubt that these "Mothers ??" who are a part of their child's demise, or who actually do the horrid act,
do NOT search. They wear the T Shirt with the missing child's face, but they do not search.

I rem. Casey Anthony, as well as Billie JUST sitting on the sofa watching tv, and probably thinking of more creative ways to gain attention to their selfish selves, not the child !

I have not heard nor seen Lisa's Mother search for her, nor her Dad. I recall how Haley Dunn's Dad walked with Naomi, and their new baby all over Texas in search of Hailey.

Karma is a biotch and Lisa's parents better watch out.

How many people cannot have a child, or lost a child to an early, unplanned death ? These people would kill to have such a lovely, sweet baby like Lisa, yet her bio Mother cannot get off her rump to search for her. Does she know there is no use in looking ? Does she realize she is dead, because she played a signifigant part in the act ? Lure her out with wine....I bet she would follow u ! She makes me ill !  ::MonkeyMad::

 ::rhino::  I definitely see the similarities between BJD and DB.  They both chose themselves over their children. 

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/261015/20111204/missing-baby-lisa-time-line-police-giving.htm
Missing Baby Lisa Irwin Timeline: Are Police Giving Up After Two Months?
By Julia Greenberg: Subscribe to Julia's RSS feed
December 4, 2011 10:06 PM EST
Lisa Irwin has now been missing for two months; however, many questions remain unanswered in her mysterious disappearance. The 1-year-old's parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, continue to maintain that baby Lisa disappeared from their home nearly a month ago. However, police insist that after following hundreds of leads, there are still no major suspects, and tips have started to dry up.
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http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/baby-lisa-psychic-stephanie-amalguer-pleads-attacks-stop-against-her-kids
Baby Lisa: Psychic Stephanie Almaguer pleads attacks stop against her kids
Isabelle Zehnder
, Missing Persons Examiner
December 4, 2011 -

IF Lisa was "taken" from her crib, in the middle of the night, I would fear for the safety of the remaining children. IF the boys "heard something" and could incriminate someone, they are in grave danger, especially resuming their routine lives. Everyone knows when and how they go to school and return home. The family's routine is an open document.

Either the Irwins are sitting ducks or they have absolutely nothing of which to fear.  OR they fear only the truth.

When those boys become old enough to ask questions and the answers given do not satisfy them...well, someday there will be a reckoning.

This family and their extended families have way too many secrets. Secrets they've kept silent about all their lives, perhaps this is just one more. If they could only realize the truth will truly, set them free.

Stephanie Almaguer's response to criticism of her involvement in this case is very interesting.   


http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/261360/20111205/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-psychic-accused-eyeing.htm (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/261360/20111205/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-psychic-accused-eyeing.htm)

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/12/05/former-homicide-detective-fact-that-baby-lisa%E2%80%99s-parents-have-asked-for-prayer-vigils-to-stop-is-a-tell-tale-sign/
3:05 pm ET December 5, 2011
Former Homicide Detective: Fact That Baby Lisa’s Parents Have Asked for Prayer Vigils to Stop Is a Tell-Tale Sign
by America Live Posted in: America's Most Wanted, Baby Lisa, Deborah Bradley, Jeremy Irwin, John Walsh, Lisa Irwin, Rod Wheeler   
Video at link.

This from the private PI's facebook:

Rugen Team Investigations, LLC Missouri Private Investigator

A source close to law enforcement tells me that cadaver dog in the Lisa Irwin missing baby case hit on a blanket, a toy, and her clothes last reported wearing. If true, that means the fluid that secretes from the body upon death were possibly on those items.
Like · · Share · 7 hours ago via mobile ·

https://www.facebook.com/KansasCityPI  (https://www.facebook.com/KansasCityPI)

This answers the question as to why the carpet in the master bedroom was not removed and taken away during the last search.   ::CowboySmiley::

Thank you for finding this. It is nice to be able to read this and be among people who think like I do about the case. I knew those clothes they found were the exact ones DB described her wearing. Seems like another Misty story. They found Haleigh's clothes in the house also.

Your welcome! ::MonkeyAngel::
This makes the story of the witness seeing a near naked/only a diaper on baby make more sense too.

Mods if this is inappropriate please delete ::MonkeyAngel::

From one of the facebook pages for finding Lisa:

 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150435681317856&set=o.184983831580094&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150435681317856&set=o.184983831580094&type=1&theater)

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I agree, however why leave the lights on in the house when you take a child and wonder around for hours???
 ::ElfMonkey::

That's the million dollar question....If this really was a stranger abduction, the only character mentioned so far that I can think of would be Tanko. Somehow I think Deb and Tanko were partners in what happened to baby Lisa. JMHO

No news brings out the FB feuds, frauds, and freaks. 

From Johnny Chiaravallotti, if you belief him, DB's uncle 


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150437577512856&set=o.184983831580094&type=1&permPage=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150437577512856&set=o.184983831580094&type=1&permPage=1)

 ::CowboySmiley::

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/12/06/watch-father-of-polly-klaas-who-was-abducted-killed-18-years-ago-says-lisa-irwins-parents-should-welcome-media-attention-brought-by-prayer-vigils/
3:36 pm ET December 6, 2011
WATCH: Father of Polly Klaas, Who Was Abducted, Killed 18 Years Ago Says Lisa Irwin’s Parents Should Welcome Media Attention Brought by Prayer Vigils
by America Live Posted in: Baby Lisa, Kansas City, Lisa Irwin, Mark Klaas, Megyn Kelly, Missing Missouri Baby, Polly Klaas

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/03/3303813/mother-who-knows-pain-of-an-unsolved.html#storylink=misearch
Posted on Tue, Dec. 06, 2011 12:15 AM
Mother who knows pain of an unsolved case tirelessly helps other causes
By TONY RIZZO
The Kansas City Star
The blue Mustang’s throaty rumble announces her arrival.

But it’s the hand-painted letters covering her car that announce Edith Fine-Duskin’s mission: “Bring Baby Lisa Home.”

“I will find that child,” the 44-year-old Kansas City woman asserts. “When I start something, I don’t stop.”

Fine-Duskin’s nervous energy is apparent in how she moves and talks, often unable to complete one rapid-fire sentence before launching into another one.

Missing child cases in particular draw her to action. Pamela Butler, Kara Kopetsky, Kelsey Smith and Erica Green are among the young victims whose cases she has embraced.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/03/3303813/mother-who-knows-pain-of-an-unsolved.html#storylink=misearch#ixzz1fqidBTUY

jimspellmancnn jim spellman
Thanks for the info. I'll be taking part in an @VinniePolitan (http://@VinniePolitan) #babylisa  (#post_babylisa)special taping tomorrow. Shoot me any thoughts you may have.
12 hours ago http://twitter.com/#!/jimspellmancnn (http://twitter.com/#!/jimspellmancnn)

From the Justice for Lisa Irwin FB


https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-for-Lisa-Irwin/290185081005988 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-for-Lisa-Irwin/290185081005988)

 ::CowboySmiley::

Hello monkeys  ::HelloKitty::

Every morning when I read the news I scroll down to the Nation section hoping to see the words, "Baby Lisa Irwin Found" yet I am disappointed daily.  This case has really saddened me.  What have the parents been doing lately?  They don't appear to be looking for their baby anymore.  Sad. 

Anyway, I found this article and I don't believe it's been posted here yet:

Lisa Irwin Update: Case Solved? (http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980867075)

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It's only a matter of time until the truth is revealed.

jimspellmancnn jim spellman
Sorry ya'll #babylisa special postponed due to some breaking news..i'll keep you posted. I touched based with KCPD..nothing new to report
2 hours ago http://twitter.com/#!/jimspellmancnn (http://twitter.com/#!/jimspellmancnn)

Gag order likely.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/gag-order-likely-in-baby-lisa-family-feud-as-jeremy-irwin%27s-attorney-agrees

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980873448
Lisa Irwin Exclusive: Famed Psychic Reveals Shocking Prediction
December 08, 2011 02:30 AM EST

Regarding the Lisa Irwin disappearance, famed psychic profiler Carla Baron has made a shocking revelation. She mentions that during a recent taping for a Dr. Phil special, she was asked about the high-profile case. Her revelation seems to differ from ones of recent characters emerging in this ongoing missing persons investigation.
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She was kind enough to share this quote exclusively with Gather News:

"I sense this child is alive. Those victims abducted, especially so young and precious, to still be alive after this length of time - it's very rare. But Baby Lisa is being loved, and cherished, nurtured, cared for ... this I do see. The couple loves her so. Yes, a serious crime has been committed here. Not saying this is right or fair for the family from which she was taken, but karmic ... perhaps. I psychically sensed that Elizabeth Smart was also alive one month after her disappearance - recounted in detail about it on a morning radio program here in Los Angeles. Like I said, it is rare. But blissful when proven to be true."
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RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
Jeremy Irwin's attorney agrees to child custody gag order - bit.ly/spy6Mr (http://bit.ly/spy6Mr) #babylisa (#post_babylisa) #lisairwin (#post_lisairwin)
11 hours ago https://twitter.com/RussPtacek (https://twitter.com/RussPtacek)

Just wanted to present the other side.
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"From the 14 cases that Carla Baron promotes as her best work, we can positively conclude that her claims of being a psychic detective are unsubstantiated."
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http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/carla_baron/carla_report.html (http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/carla_baron/carla_report.html)

Trim, I think the appropriate word here is "gag." And I am.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

::rhino::

HLN discussing the case right now.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/twisted-words-wreak-havoc-missing-baby-lisa-case?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150404209906347_19720024_10150405200701347&ref=notif&notif_t=open_graph_comment#f18a8bccb8
Twisted words wreak havoc in missing Baby Lisa case
Isabelle Zehnder&#039;s photo
, Missing Persons Examiner
December 8, 2011 -

Poor little Lisa.  She deserves justice. 

 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/09/3312107/family-of-similar-child-is-caught.html
Posted on Sat, Dec. 10, 2011 12:45 AM
Family of similar child is caught in baby Lisa nightmare
Since Northland girl vanished, police and strangers have demanded Overland Park parents prove identity of their child.
By CHRISTINE VENDEL
The Kansas City Star

Shortly after baby Lisa Irwin disappeared in October, Amy noticed other shoppers looking at her and her 10-month-old baby, Lucy, in the supermarket.

“I saw people peering down the aisles at me,” the Overland Park mother said. “But I convinced myself that they were probably just looking for a can of green beans or something.”

Then three older women surrounded her.

“How old is your baby?” they asked. One of them pulled down Lucy’s blanket and lifted the baby’s dress to inspect her legs.

Other shoppers whispered and pointed Amy’s way.

“They think this is baby Lisa,” she realized. The woman was checking Lucy’s leg for the birthmark on Lisa Irwin’s right thigh.

The incident — one of hundreds of potential baby Lisa sightings reported to police — ended with Overland Park officers following Amy home and leaving only after she presented Lucy’s vaccination records and insurance card

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/09/3312107/family-of-similar-child-is-caught.html#ixzz1gA3JR0eC

Love your avi trimm! thanks for the updates!!

what a sweetie , precious baby

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980894904#.Tuahos3mz-w.twitter
Is Lisa Irwin Still Alive? Some Speculate 'Yes'
December 12, 2011 02:36 PM EST
One Kansas City group is now speaking out on missing Lisa Irwin and they believe that the missing baby is still alive and well - the only question is who has her. The baby has been missing for over two months and volunteers in the local Kansas City area are passionate about finding her. They are so passionate about this little missing child that they have spoken out to the media, criticized Lisa's parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, and hold vigils and walks around the Kansas area.
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Bottom line, why aren't Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin looking themselves for there daughter Lisa?????
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wonder if DB, her brother or JI have been spotted at any liquor stores since the night Lisa went missing? Anyone with DB's history of alcohol abuse doesn't usually just quit cold turkey. Wonder if drinking was a problem while the family lived with other family members? How did DB handle that? Is lack of access to alcohol one reason they went back home, after saying they would never live there again? So many unanswered questions. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Might be a good idea to ask clerks at liquor store.

 ::rhino::

Same reason Casey Anthony didn't search for Caylee?

Deborah has not talked much,
so I cannot compare her to Casey A.
Casey A. was stupid and ran her mouth with $10. words,
and lied like a pro.

I thought by now that Lisa's Mom would break & give it up.
Maybe someone needs to befriend her, take her to a bar
and let her spill her gut.