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Title: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 - 2/07/12
Post by: MuffyBee on December 23, 2011, 02:29:06 PM
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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 08:44:09 PM
 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::
 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 08:45:49 PM
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::


Joran's BS was  ::monkeydenied:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/2012 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2012, 08:45:53 PM
Thanks Muffy I wasn't paying attention  ::MonkeyDevil::  ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/2012 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 08:46:49 PM
Anderson has some of the clips up from his conversation with Sugar Mary

http://www.andersoncooper.com/videos/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/2012 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 13, 2012, 08:47:43 PM
Thanks Muffy I wasn't paying attention  ::MonkeyDevil::  ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::
 
I just got home from an out of town trip and thought I'd check the forum.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/2012 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2012, 08:53:25 PM
Thanks Muffy I wasn't paying attention  ::MonkeyDevil::  ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::
 
I just got home from an out of town trip and thought I'd check the forum.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

You put me to shame!  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 13, 2012, 08:54:42 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 13, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
800+ pages of mental health/school records accumulated on Joran prior to his murdering Stephany.

His parents knew. Aruba knew. No one did anything to stop him or help him.  They all enabled him to kill Natalee and then Stephany.

He’s a monster – get him out of the house.  We’ll give him his own apartment in the backyard, pay his bills, set up gambling accounts, let him have girls spend the night, and he can come and go at his own will without us knowing…. WTF were they thinking?  Why didn’t somebody do something, anything? Aruba didn’t want him either.  Get him out of their prison and country by letting him go to college in the NL.  He strikes out there so he moves onto a truly perverted, unregulated country by the name of Thailand.  He involves himself in selling prostitutes to the NL.  Anybody want to bet he didn’t practice his new found love of murder amongst the myriad throwaway prostitutes of Thailand? Who would know? Who would miss a few?

 ::MonkeyMad::


Mommy knew. Daddy knew.  His brothers knew. Arubans knew. ALE knew  And they all did nothing.

Simian knew. And tried to warn us.

Beth & Dave knew. We knew.  But were forced to just stand by and watch and wait…

Stephany knew, but by then it was too late…


Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:37 pm
It’s horrible. He is a sociopath.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:44 pm
Killing his own dogs. Dumping them is the reservoir. Harrassing his schoolmates.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:16 pm
The water reservoir in Noord is very busy. The boy is not right. There is so much stuff on him. I don’t know what I should relay to you people. I fear the worst.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2012, 09:00:57 PM
Jamcakes - we all knew.  I blame Joran's family and the people in Aruba (and the internet) that fought to coverup Joran's crimes for the death of Stephany. They have blood on their hands.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 09:22:31 PM
The Enabling of Joran van der Sloot

Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot

 
12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of “date rape” perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices.
 
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp5.html


Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot

 
81. Defendant Paulus van der Sloot knew his minor child, Joran van der Sloot, had a long history of sexual assaults on young women.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp15.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 09:23:43 PM
Joran van der Sloot's Mother - The Natalee Holloway Case

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Published June 23, 2005


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S MOTHER: Joran is a very outgoing person. He's a sweetheart.

<snipped

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Any drug use or alcohol use by him?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I'm a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you're used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You're so alert. And I think you're even more alert with your own children.

<snipped>

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare, too, but our life is a nightmare, too.

<snipped>

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT:   And he was telling me, Mommy, look at me, I'm reading the Bible. Did you ever think about that? And I think it's great. It's difficult to read.

<snipped>

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Something he told me last night, that he still didn't believe it was true. And he said, Mom, don't worry, because I was crying and he was really hugging me. He said, The truth will come forward, and I know that I didn't do anything to the girl. And the truth will come forward. And he was so strong.  And I believe in him. I believe so in him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 13, 2012, 09:25:41 PM
Jamcakes - we all knew.  I blame Joran's family and the people in Aruba (and the internet) that fought to coverup Joran's crimes for the death of Stephany. They have blood on their hands.

That was my point. They knew and did nothing, even though they knew we knew and could do nothing.  I totally lay the blame for both Natalee and Stephany on Anita & Paulus, and all the Arubans who purposely enabled him to save one "happy" island.

By the time Peru realized it, they had already lost a daughter. Finally, someone who knew could do something about it.  And they did.  28 years.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on January 13, 2012, 09:38:31 PM
Joran knows that he is on camera; therefore, probably tries to resist showing emotion.

While back in his cell, though, reality crosses his mind. His goose has been cooked (and he knows it)...
He will have 10,220 days (in time out) to reflect on the transgressions in his life.

Hopefully, as others have mentioned, the US will be able to indict him on its own charges.

Will be interested to see the outcome of the Kalpoe circus, and what additional information is ascertained.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 09:38:38 PM
GMAB!

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
Published June 24, 2005


<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: What has been seized from this house?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: The first time it was one computer that we all use. There's no lock on it so we can see what the kids are doing, one laptop of my husband that he only uses for his work, my digital camera what was on my desk, not in Joran's room on my desk.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 09:46:00 PM
John Q. Kelly is on Dr. Drew tonight.

Dr. Drew states that Dave Holloway said today that Joran is beyond rehabilitation, Dr. Drew agrees.

Dr. Drew asks JQK what Beth's reaction was to the sentencing today.

JQK says that Beth definitely had reactions, it's been a difficult three days for her but she wants to keep her emotions private at this time.  She sees it as a time for the Flores family to grieve, to mourn, to absorb and digest what went on in the legal process concerning their daughter today; and let them address the situation.

Dr. Drew describes the decision yesterday by a judge in Alabama legally declaring Natalee dead.  He shows Beth's reaction to that.  They show the clip of Beth that CBB has mentioned  here where Beth says "Natalee's father wanted to see this through and...of course it makes me very sad."

 ::MonkeyTears::

Dr. Drew asks JQK why Beth was resisting doing that and why was Natalee's father so intent on having her declared dead?

JQK says Dave's reasons were more legal and financial from his point of view.  From Beth's point of view she saw no reason to have a legal declaration of Natalee's death.  She always wants to be able to hold on to that dream, that possible miracle that one day she might see her daughter again.

Dr. Drew says his understanding was that Dave was still paying Natalee's health insurance and things like that and that (he says she but I think he meant "he") preferred to set that money aside for some of the other children's education.  He asks JQK if this is correct?

JQK says yes, there were very practical reasons that Dave wanted to proceed down that path and Beth's position is that she understands it, and any declaration signed by the court doesn't make any difference in her heart.  She's holding on to that dream, still holding Natalee dear and if there's ever a sliver of hope that she could ever see Natalee again.  She also wants to reinforce her beliefs with other families, never to give up hope.

Dr. Drew asks JQK to send Beth his regards...(and makes a few other comments)

JQK says Beth is a brave, strong, and incredible woman.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 09:47:53 PM
Jamcakes - we all knew.  I blame Joran's family and the people in Aruba (and the internet) that fought to coverup Joran's crimes for the death of Stephany. They have blood on their hands.

Me too Klaas, absolutely!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 09:58:32 PM
Dr. Drew's transcript will be a good one, they are discussing the psych evaluation next.

I've been going back and forth so I'm not sure how much time is left in the show.

ZERO evidence of PTSD per Dr. Drew.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 10:00:30 PM
Cole Thompson is the one who obtained the report from a source that he won't name in Peru.

Cole co-authored the book with Lisa Pulitzer.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 13, 2012, 10:04:45 PM
                            " Paint Me A Birmingham"
He was sittin? there, his brush in hand
Paintin? waves as they danced, upon the sand
With every stroke, he brought to life
The deep blue of the ocean, against the mornin? sky
I asked him if he only painted ocean scenes
He said for twenty dollars, I?ll paint you anything.

Chorus:

Well could you Paint Me A Birmingham
Make it look just the way I planned
A little house on the edge of town
Porch goin? all the way around
Put her there in the front yard swing
Cotton dress make it, early spring
For awhile she?ll be, mine again
If you can Paint Me A Birmingham.

He looked at me, with knowing eyes
Then took a canvas from a bag there by his side
Picked up a brush, and said to me
Son just in this picture, would you like to me
I said if there?s any way you can
Could you paint me back into her arms again.

Paint Me A Birmingham
Make it look just the way I planned
A little house on the edge of town
Porch goin? all the way around
Put her there in the front yard swing
Cotton dress make it, early spring
For awhile she?ll be, mine again
If you can Paint Me A Birmingham.

Put her there in the front yard swing
Cotton dress make it, early spring
For awhile she?ll be, mine again
If you can Paint Me A, Birmingham.

...Indulge me. This is the song I associate with Natalee.
I think of Natalee's parents and Family & Friends and those who never knew her, but tried to help to find her. Red,  Tim Miller, Peter DeVries, so many persons were touched by Natalee. And the Zoo Keeper.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 13, 2012, 10:06:44 PM
I may have been a bit over melodramatic in my post.  This has been a very emotional few days for all us, especially for Natalee's and Stephany's loved ones.  Even though I'm new to the forum, I've been following this case very closely since May 2005.

I'm still wrought up with emotion, anger, grief, anxiety, elation, disappointment. I'll say good night and hope my emotions don't run the extreme gambit tomorrow.

Buona notte



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 10:07:34 PM
Dr. Drew read a few short passages from the report.

Cole Thompson had summarized somewhat too, about the problems starting in his teens, rumors of Joran's beating one of his brothers nearly to death etc.

I'll look for the transcript in a while.

They didn't go as in depth as I hoped they would.

I think we've pretty much heard all of it before from others.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2012, 10:11:30 PM
Thru translator:

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-13-trasladaran-a-joran-van-der-sloot-al-penal-de-piedras-gordas-noticia_440623.html (http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-13-trasladaran-a-joran-van-der-sloot-al-penal-de-piedras-gordas-noticia_440623.html)

Move to Joran Van der Sloot to criminal BBW Stones

Friday, January 13, 2012 | 7:09 pm

The head of INPE, José Luis Pérez Guadalupe, said he 'has seen the need to change the penalty to increase security measures. "

The head of INPE, José Luis Pérez Guadalupe, according to RPP Noticias that Joran Van der Sloot was transferred to maximum security prison BBW Stone. "The Classification Board and the Regional Directorate of Lima determined to be transferred to criminal BBW Piedras" he said.

He said that will take the strictest security measures during the transfer. "We have seen the need to change the penalty to increase security measures. All society we take steps in an exemplary manner for this not happen again," he added.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 10:13:31 PM
Thanks Kat_Gram

The poem is beautiful.

Janet

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 10:15:46 PM
I may have been a bit over melodramatic in my post.  This has been a very emotional few days for all us, especially for Natalee's and Stephany's loved ones.  Even though I'm new to the forum, I've been following this case very closely since May 2005.

I'm still wrought up with emotion, anger, grief, anxiety, elation, disappointment. I'll say good night and hope my emotions don't run the extreme gambit tomorrow.

Buona notte



I thought your posts were fine.  But I get pretty emotional here too sometimes, so I understand wanting to take a step back if that's what you need to do.

Good night!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: San on January 13, 2012, 10:16:35 PM
Dr. Drew read a few short passages from the report.

Cole Thompson had summarized somewhat too, about the problems starting in his teens, rumors of Joran's beating one of his brothers nearly to death etc.

I'll look for the transcript in a while.

They didn't go as in depth as I hoped they would.

I think we've pretty much heard all of it before from others.

Thanks for the recap TM.  I missed Dr. Drew and would have liked to have seen the show.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2012, 10:19:11 PM
Thru translator:

http://peru.com/actualidad/van-der-sloot-trasladado-al-penal-piedras-gordas-noticia-37936 (http://peru.com/actualidad/van-der-sloot-trasladado-al-penal-piedras-gordas-noticia-37936)

Friday January 13, 2012 - 07:48

Van der Sloot was taken to Fat Piedras criminal

The Dutchman will not stay in the Castro Castro prison. "We want to avoid any problems regarding his life," said the head of INPE.

Lima. The Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot , who was sentenced to 28 years in prison for the murder of Stephany Flores , did not stay in the Castro Castro prison and was taken to Fat Stone, said the head of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE), Jose Perez Guadalupe.

"The board of the regional classification of Lima have determined that (the Dutch), and with the conviction of 28 years, will be transferred to the prison of Piedras Gordas. I've already been warned on which cell is, "said Guadalupe Perez RPP.

He added that both the regional director of the prison and announced that they will take the strictest security measures with this procedure.

"We have seen the need to change the penalty to increase security measures. We believe this is an exemplary sentence. (...) We want to avoid any problems regarding his life, "he said.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 10:19:52 PM
                            " Paint Me A Birmingham"
He was sittin? there, his brush in hand
Paintin? waves as they danced, upon the sand
With every stroke, he brought to life
The deep blue of the ocean, against the mornin? sky
I asked him if he only painted ocean scenes
He said for twenty dollars, I?ll paint you anything.

Chorus:

Well could you Paint Me A Birmingham
Make it look just the way I planned
A little house on the edge of town
Porch goin? all the way around
Put her there in the front yard swing
Cotton dress make it, early spring
For awhile she?ll be, mine again
If you can Paint Me A Birmingham.

He looked at me, with knowing eyes
Then took a canvas from a bag there by his side
Picked up a brush, and said to me
Son just in this picture, would you like to me
I said if there?s any way you can
Could you paint me back into her arms again.

Paint Me A Birmingham
Make it look just the way I planned
A little house on the edge of town
Porch goin? all the way around
Put her there in the front yard swing
Cotton dress make it, early spring
For awhile she?ll be, mine again
If you can Paint Me A Birmingham.

Put her there in the front yard swing
Cotton dress make it, early spring
For awhile she?ll be, mine again
If you can Paint Me A, Birmingham.

...Indulge me. This is the song I associate with Natalee.
I think of Natalee's parents and Family & Friends and those who never knew her, but tried to help to find her. Red,  Tim Miller, Peter DeVries, so many persons were touched by Natalee. And the Zoo Keeper.


Tracy Lawrence sings it IIRC, and I always think of Natalee (and shed a few tears) when I hear it.

Thanks for the reminder Kat_gram...I haven't heard it in a while.  I think I'll make my way over to youtube later and listen if it's still there.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 10:24:54 PM
Dr. Drew read a few short passages from the report.

Cole Thompson had summarized somewhat too, about the problems starting in his teens, rumors of Joran's beating one of his brothers nearly to death etc.

I'll look for the transcript in a while.

They didn't go as in depth as I hoped they would.

I think we've pretty much heard all of it before from others.

Thanks for the recap TM.  I missed Dr. Drew and would have liked to have seen the show.

You're welcome San!  It was good.  They had a body language expert on there too, I didn't listen closely to everything he said.  One thing I remember (summarizing) is that someone like Joran is hard to read because they don't think like we do...



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: San on January 13, 2012, 10:32:49 PM
Dr. Drew read a few short passages from the report.

Cole Thompson had summarized somewhat too, about the problems starting in his teens, rumors of Joran's beating one of his brothers nearly to death etc.

I'll look for the transcript in a while.

They didn't go as in depth as I hoped they would.

I think we've pretty much heard all of it before from others.

Thanks for the recap TM.  I missed Dr. Drew and would have liked to have seen the show.

You're welcome San!  It was good.  They had a body language expert on there too, I didn't listen closely to everything he said.  One thing I remember (summarizing) is that someone like Joran is hard to read because they don't think like we do...



So true.  He has never had one normal thought in his life.  I saw in one picture his head get really red like when he was talking to Greta and his ears got red.  To me that is a sign that he is nervous because he wants people to believe his lies.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Frijole on January 13, 2012, 10:35:31 PM
Thru translator:

http://peru.com/actualidad/van-der-sloot-trasladado-al-penal-piedras-gordas-noticia-37936 (http://peru.com/actualidad/van-der-sloot-trasladado-al-penal-piedras-gordas-noticia-37936)

Friday January 13, 2012 - 07:48

Van der Sloot was taken to Fat Piedras criminal

The Dutchman will not stay in the Castro Castro prison. "We want to avoid any problems regarding his life," said the head of INPE.

Lima. The Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot , who was sentenced to 28 years in prison for the murder of Stephany Flores , did not stay in the Castro Castro prison and was taken to Fat Stone, said the head of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE), Jose Perez Guadalupe.

"The board of the regional classification of Lima have determined that (the Dutch), and with the conviction of 28 years, will be transferred to the prison of Piedras Gordas. I've already been warned on which cell is, "said Guadalupe Perez RPP.

He added that both the regional director of the prison and announced that they will take the strictest security measures with this procedure.

"We have seen the need to change the penalty to increase security measures. We believe this is an exemplary sentence. (...) We want to avoid any problems regarding his life, "he said.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVI7bsJTcRo

Home Sweet Home - Joran's new prison.  Enjoy your stay Joran!  ::monkeywine2:: ::justice2NJ:: ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 13, 2012, 10:48:45 PM
http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-13-van-der-sloot-puede-salir-de-prision-en-ocho-anos-por-beneficios-noticia_440667.html

Google translation

Van der Sloot can get out of prison in eight years by profit
Friday, January 13, 2012 | 9:45 pm

 ::snipping2::
While Joran Van der Sloot was sentenced to 28 years in prison, in the "best scenario" would leave prison with only serving eight years of the sentence, said criminal lawyer Roberto Miranda.

"In the best scenario that could have Van der Sloot, could be talking about eight years of deprivation effectively," he told RPP Noticias.

Counsel explained that the crime of murder for which he was sentenced Dutch is not restricted to the benefits of redemption prison sentence for work and day release. However, he said that to get out of prison will have to pay civil damages of S /. 200 000 imposed by the College "B" of the Third Criminal Court for Prison Inmates in Lima Court and show good behavior.

"You will have to prove that has made payments-even split payments, but civil repair, have good conduct and have not caused any other criminal incident," he said.

Averaging the south, the Dutch listened to the sentence against him for the murder of the young Stephany Flores Ramirez (21), which occurred on May 30, 2010 at a hotel in Miraflores. At night he ordered his transfer of the San Pedro (ex Lurigancho) at the Piedras Gordas.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 13, 2012, 10:49:37 PM
Tracey Lawerence does sing the song, but it is the lyrics that are powerful.
..
Sad week, not about JVDS, but just the finality. He will never talk the truth and they will never know for sure what happened to her. Bad English, should take an ESL class.
Hugs to everyone who is here and also to those who are not.   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 10:54:29 PM
http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-13-van-der-sloot-puede-salir-de-prision-en-ocho-anos-por-beneficios-noticia_440667.html

Google translation

Van der Sloot can get out of prison in eight years by profit
Friday, January 13, 2012 | 9:45 pm

 ::snipping2::
While Joran Van der Sloot was sentenced to 28 years in prison, in the "best scenario" would leave prison with only serving eight years of the sentence, said criminal lawyer Roberto Miranda.

"In the best scenario that could have Van der Sloot, could be talking about eight years of deprivation effectively," he told RPP Noticias.

Counsel explained that the crime of murder for which he was sentenced Dutch is not restricted to the benefits of redemption prison sentence for work and day release. However, he said that to get out of prison will have to pay civil damages of S /. 200 000 imposed by the College "B" of the Third Criminal Court for Prison Inmates in Lima Court and show good behavior.

"You will have to prove that has made payments-even split payments, but civil repair, have good conduct and have not caused any other criminal incident," he said.

Averaging the south, the Dutch listened to the sentence against him for the murder of the young Stephany Flores Ramirez (21), which occurred on May 30, 2010 at a hotel in Miraflores. At night he ordered his transfer of the San Pedro (ex Lurigancho) at the Piedras Gordas.


Well if they still have the money they swindled from psycho Mary for "bail", he can pay the civil damages off with that.  Wonder if that was the plan, or if they've spent it on "attorney fees" instead or other things?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: klaasend on January 13, 2012, 10:59:25 PM
Tracey Lawerence does sing the song, but it is the lyrics that are powerful.
..
Sad week, not about JVDS, but just the finality. He will never talk the truth and they will never know for sure what happened to her. Bad English, should take an ESL class.
Hugs to everyone who is here and also to those who are not.   

You too Kat_Gram


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 11:01:08 PM
 ::MonkeyWink::
Dr. Drew read a few short passages from the report.

Cole Thompson had summarized somewhat too, about the problems starting in his teens, rumors of Joran's beating one of his brothers nearly to death etc.

I'll look for the transcript in a while.

They didn't go as in depth as I hoped they would.

I think we've pretty much heard all of it before from others.

Thanks for the recap TM.  I missed Dr. Drew and would have liked to have seen the show.

You're welcome San!  It was good.  They had a body language expert on there too, I didn't listen closely to everything he said.  One thing I remember (summarizing) is that someone like Joran is hard to read because they don't think like we do...



So true.  He has never had one normal thought in his life.  I saw in one picture his head get really red like when he was talking to Greta and his ears got red.  To me that is a sign that he is nervous because he wants people to believe his lies.

Or he's getting angry because he thinks they don't believe him?

Probably depends on if that interview was one where she was still "inclined" to believe him or not?    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 11:01:48 PM
I wondered where that other "winking" monkey went...I didn't see it in the preview!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 13, 2012, 11:02:46 PM
John Q. Kelly is on Dr. Drew tonight.

Dr. Drew states that Dave Holloway said today that Joran is beyond rehabilitation, Dr. Drew agrees.

Dr. Drew asks JQK what Beth's reaction was to the sentencing today.

JQK says that Beth definitely had reactions, it's been a difficult three days for her but she wants to keep her emotions private at this time.  She sees it as a time for the Flores family to grieve, to mourn, to absorb and digest what went on in the legal process concerning their daughter today; and let them address the situation.

Dr. Drew describes the decision yesterday by a judge in Alabama legally declaring Natalee dead.  He shows Beth's reaction to that.  They show the clip of Beth that CBB has mentioned  here where Beth says "Natalee's father wanted to see this through and...of course it makes me very sad."

 ::MonkeyTears::

Dr. Drew asks JQK why Beth was resisting doing that and why was Natalee's father so intent on having her declared dead?

JQK says Dave's reasons were more legal and financial from his point of view.  From Beth's point of view she saw no reason to have a legal declaration of Natalee's death.  She always wants to be able to hold on to that dream, that possible miracle that one day she might see her daughter again.

Dr. Drew says his understanding was that Dave was still paying Natalee's health insurance and things like that and that (he says she but I think he meant "he") preferred to set that money aside for some of the other children's education.  He asks JQK if this is correct?

JQK says yes, there were very practical reasons that Dave wanted to proceed down that path and Beth's position is that she understands it, and any declaration signed by the court doesn't make any difference in her heart.  She's holding on to that dream, still holding Natalee dear and if there's ever a sliver of hope that she could ever see Natalee again.  She also wants to reinforce her beliefs with other families, never to give up hope.

Dr. Drew asks JQK to send Beth his regards...(and makes a few other comments)

JQK says Beth is a brave, strong, and incredible woman.



Dave did say on CBS42 yesterday (and it has been replayed today) that there was life
insurance.  He threw it in with the health and dental insurance sorta nonchantly.
It was the first I had heard him mention life insurance.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 11:18:01 PM
Family reacts to Natalee Holloway death certificate
Published: 1/12 11:01 pm
Updated: 2:24 am


BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WIAT) - The death certificate will allow Dave Holloway to move forward and deal with financial and legal responsibilities related to Natalee that have been stuck in limbo since her disappearance.

"Finally got down to just taking care of some needs. Medical, dental, life insurance, health insurance and college funds and things of that sort," said Dave Holloway.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Family-reacts-to-Natalee-Holloway-death/si37CD7pr0u7OY46xvqQhA.cspx




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Post by: grace-land on January 13, 2012, 11:35:04 PM
http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-13-van-der-sloot-puede-salir-de-prision-en-ocho-anos-por-beneficios-noticia_440667.html

Google translation

Van der Sloot can get out of prison in eight years by profit
Friday, January 13, 2012 | 9:45 pm

 ::snipping2::
While Joran Van der Sloot was sentenced to 28 years in prison, in the "best scenario" would leave prison with only serving eight years of the sentence, said criminal lawyer Roberto Miranda.

"In the best scenario that could have Van der Sloot, could be talking about eight years of deprivation effectively," he told RPP Noticias.

Counsel explained that the crime of murder for which he was sentenced Dutch is not restricted to the benefits of redemption prison sentence for work and day release. However, he said that to get out of prison will have to pay civil damages of S /. 200 000 imposed by the College "B" of the Third Criminal Court for Prison Inmates in Lima Court and show good behavior.

"You will have to prove that has made payments-even split payments, but civil repair, have good conduct and have not caused any other criminal incident," he said.

Averaging the south, the Dutch listened to the sentence against him for the murder of the young Stephany Flores Ramirez (21), which occurred on May 30, 2010 at a hotel in Miraflores. At night he ordered his transfer of the San Pedro (ex Lurigancho) at the Piedras Gordas.


Well if they still have the money they swindled from psycho Mary for "bail", he can pay the civil damages off with that.  Wonder if that was the plan, or if they've spent it on "attorney fees" instead or other things?

It must be the "bail" money, because she wants the money returned.  Maybe this issue will be a turning point for her...maybe.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 13, 2012, 11:42:10 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/joran-van-der-sloot-28-years-now-us/story?id=15353765

Joran Van Der Sloot Gets 28 Years in Peru, Now US Wants Him
By COLLEEN CURRY
Jan. 13, 2012

Joran van der Sloot was sentenced today to 28 years in a Peruvian prison for strangling a woman there, and American officials are now expected to bring him to Alabama to face charges in connection with the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway.

The attorney for Holloway's mother, John Q. Kelly, said after today's sentencing that he hopes van der Sloot will be extradited to the U.S. within "a couple of months."

Van der Sloot is charged with extorting $25,000 from Holloway's grieving mother Beth Holloway in exchange for information about the location of Natalee's body. After receving the money, van der Sloot admitted lying about where the girl's body was buried.

"We anticipate that U.S. authorities will move quickly to bring him to Alabama to face pending federal charges and to answer for his past conduct in Aruba," Kelly had said prior to the sentencing.

The U.S. District Attorney in Birmingham, where the case against van der Sloot will be prosecuted, did not immediately return calls for comment. They had previously told ABC News that they had made arrangements with Interpol to have van der Sloot extradited to the U.S.

Any sentence he might receive in the U.S. would be served in conjunction with the 28 years he was sentenced in Peru, Kelly said.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2012, 11:47:10 PM
http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

Awe Mainta (Aruba)
January 13, 2012

Front Page

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/01132012_AweMainta_FrontPage.png)


Page 2

 ::snipping2::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/01132012_AweMainta_Pg2.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: cecilita on January 14, 2012, 12:00:46 AM
When the judge asked the monster to go talk to his lawyer to ask him if he will accept the sentence. The lawyer seems to be scared of his possible reaction(we know the monster reactions when he gets mad, he hits noses and murder people) i have noticed that the lawyer looked down when the monster approached him ::MonkeyShocked:: like he was covering his nose ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: cecilita on January 14, 2012, 12:05:12 AM
Talked to family in Peru and all of them watched the monster going to jail for very long time..... they were scared that somebody could buy his freedom.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 12:13:30 AM
http://issuu.com/themorningnews/docs/january_14__2012?mode=window&pageNumber=1

The Morning News (Aruba)
January 14, 2012

Front Page

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01142012_TMN_FrontPage.png)

Page 5

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01142012_TMN_Pg5.png)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01142012_TMN_Pg5a.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: thecuz on January 14, 2012, 12:20:29 AM
Just wanted to thank everybody for the blow by blow description! I had to work today so missed the coverage!sure helps to come to the cage to get the scoop! I am watching the repeat of dr drew right now so I can see it for myself! I am pleased with the sentence and am glad the Flores family will have their justice!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 12:26:49 AM
When the judge asked the monster to go talk to his lawyer to ask him if he will accept the sentence. The lawyer seems to be scared of his possible reaction(we know the monster reactions when he gets mad, he hits noses and murder people) i have noticed that the lawyer looked down when the monster approached him ::MonkeyShocked:: like he was covering his nose ::MonkeyShocked::

It was the lawyers job to defend Joran, but he'd seen all the evidence too...the pictures of poor Stephany.  He knew how dangerous Joran is.  He probably was scared of him...especially when he knew he was not happy about that sentence.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 12:33:02 AM
Talked to family in Peru and all of them watched the monster going to jail for very long time..... they were scared that somebody could buy his freedom.

Do you mean they were afraid someone would pay off the judges to set him free today?

Or are they afraid someone would be able to do that now, after he was sentenced?

TIA



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 14, 2012, 12:36:35 AM
I was checking out the new prison amenities.

Wow!

State of the art cement Sealy posturepedic bed. 1 sleep setting, so it's easy to remember. Hard as rock.

Also, a nice new 'squatty pottie'

Boy, if Joran has tummy troubles... he's quite in a pickle. ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 12:52:53 AM
Just wanted to thank everybody for the blow by blow description! I had to work today so missed the coverage!sure helps to come to the cage to get the scoop! I am watching the repeat of dr drew right now so I can see it for myself! I am pleased with the sentence and am glad the Flores family will have their justice!

Good to see you!   ::HelloKitty::

IMO it was a huge breath of fresh air to see that Joran could not manipulate the court in Lima, and his attempts to do so only cost him!

 ::MonkeyCheer4::

Thanks to everyone from me too!  Wish I could have been here the whole time!  But I did get to listen and see some of it, and check in here occasionally. 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 12:55:34 AM
I was checking out the new prison amenities.

Wow!

State of the art cement Sealy posturepedic bed. 1 sleep setting, so it's easy to remember. Hard as rock.

Also, a nice new 'squatty pottie'

Boy, if Joran has tummy troubles... he's quite in a pickle. ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::

I didn't see anything nearby for him to get take out, so he just might have some tummy troubles!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 14, 2012, 01:30:08 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501715_162-57358653/peru-court-sentences-van-der-sloot-to-28-years/

January 13, 2012 10:41 AM
Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years

 ::snipping2::
Late Friday, prison authorities told the AP that Van der Sloot had been transferred to the high-security Piedras Gordas prison in northern Lima in response to reports that he had enjoyed privileges like television, internet access and a cell phone in Castro Castro prison. Piedras Gordas holds local crime bosses and terrorism convicts, including Shining Path guerrillas.

"He will be in an individual cell at Piedras Gordas to give authorities greater control of him and cut off some of the facilities he has had in Castro Castro," said prison service spokeswoman Janeth Sanchez.
 ::snipping2::
Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cell phone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 01:41:52 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2012/01/aruba-henter-pendiente-di-sentencia-contra-joran/

Papiamentu translation:

aruba all pendiente of sentencia contra joran!

publication: saturday, 14 january 2012.

categoria: general

oranjestad (aan) – yesterday morning for of 11’ or of morning, can tell cu all people of aruba, at home y at trabao, owing to stay pendiente of the sentencia contra joran van der slot.

comentarionan arrive at daily paper is much diverso. have personanan cu is believe cu berdad past owing to arepenti, others is think cu do not so, y cu is believe cu the have to owing to achieve condena of can life.

can owing to saca afo if, cu in we comunidad have enough person cu is convenci cu past owing to kill natalee holloway, y cu they does not for her wordo extradita for aruba.

also have person cu is feel tristeza for her mother y rumannan of van der sloot. assure for none family will have to is facil for happen over of one situation so, y although they're one family much reserva, have person cu wanted show they sentimentonan of solidaridad cu the family, because berdad is cu none person is god for judge for locual one acolyte of one family can owing to haci.

for all comunidad of aruba the caso here is uno cu we all is lamenta. much trip can see in news cosnan hororoso cu is sosode in exterior, cu is seems far away for of we door.

sinembargo the caso here is show cu none people, none country, for more trankil cu the is, is scapa at sucesonan cu can cause dolor at all one comunidad, as this, y worse still if in future will come leave at cla cu the destiny of the young peruvian is the same destiny cu natalee owing to core, some year first y at aruba self.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 14, 2012, 01:42:37 AM
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-technology/peru-court-sentences-van-der-sloot-to-28-years-20120114-1q06o.html

Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years

FRANK BAJAK
January 14, 2012 - 2:05PM

Joran van der Sloot knew his guilty plea in the strangulation death of a young woman he met at a Lima casino was a big gamble as he tried to get a reduced sentence. On Friday, the poker-loving Dutchman lost.

A three-judge panel sentenced him to 28 years in prison, discarding his claims of contrition in a killing his lawyer said was triggered by trauma from being the prime suspect in the unsolved 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway.

Asked if he accepted the sentence, Van der Sloot, standing in a green T-shirt and faded jeans in a hot Lima courtroom, said he would appeal.

 ::snipping2::

The deserved jail sentence of 28 years for this monster has made our national media, and was the best news to read first thing this morning.

So great to see so many familiar monkey names from years past.  Hugs to Cuz and family. 

Busy time at the moment so I have not been able to post as much as I would have liked but my thanks to those who have provided transcripts and screen shots of the trial.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: IBE on January 14, 2012, 02:13:11 AM
I am so proud to be part of the Scared Monkey Family!

Scared Monkeys are doing Good Works!

couldn't resist these smileys ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

dedicated to
 ::justice2NJ:: and Peaches             ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 14, 2012, 02:27:25 AM
I just want to say hello to Billb, Hotping, Robots, Rob, Jen3560, and all the other Monkey's that we haven't seen in quite sometime. We may jump out of the virtual world to attend to our daily lives, but all you Monkey's are never far from my mind because of the compassion we all show for those who have no voices left to speak up for justice. We come together to continue to keep their spirit and hope alive that it does come, and it is come incrementally.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 14, 2012, 03:00:38 AM
I just want to say hello to Billb, Hotping, Robots, Rob, Jen3560, and all the other Monkey's that we haven't seen in quite sometime. We may jump out of the virtual world to attend to our daily lives, but all you Monkey's are never far from my mind because of the compassion we all show for those who have no voices left to speak up for justice. We come together to continue to keep their spirit and hope alive that it does come, and it is come incrementally.

"A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history."

MOHANDAS GANDHI

That reminds me of those Peruvian judges.

They did a fantastic job and didn't buy into the "Oh, I'm really sorry" b/s coming from JVS.  Unlike the Aruban authorities, they saw him for what he is and didn't let anything interfere with their decision process.

Kudos to the judges!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 14, 2012, 03:08:54 AM
I just want to say hello to Billb, Hotping, Robots, Rob, Jen3560, and all the other Monkey's that we haven't seen in quite sometime. We may jump out of the virtual world to attend to our daily lives, but all you Monkey's are never far from my mind because of the compassion we all show for those who have no voices left to speak up for justice. We come together to continue to keep their spirit and hope alive that it does come, and it is come incrementally.

"A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history."

MOHANDAS GANDHI

That reminds me of those Peruvian judges.

They did a fantastic job and didn't buy into the "Oh, I'm really sorry" b/s coming from JVS.  Unlike the Aruban authorities, they saw him for what he is and didn't let anything interfere with their decision process.

Kudos to the judges!!

We just need to let the lights go away and justice will start happening on a daily basis for Urine. Those judges are women and could easily understand that Stephany could have been any of their daughters. I applaud those wonderful women. To have Urine be served up like that buy three women judges is the Lord working magic. Ya gotta love it!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 14, 2012, 03:43:05 AM
This is how well Ahata/ATA/ASSRUBA knows how to handle PR in the tourism industry. This only took me five minutes and you can find a few articles on a myriad of diffirent continents talking about Assrubas finest export! URINE BAN DER SL*T..Keep up the good work IDIOTS!! Ahh hell might as well keep it going with the two leprechauns and their circus of a lawsuit.. ONE DUMB ISLAND KEEPS STEPPING IN THEIR OWN SH*T...WHY EXPECT ANYTHING LESS?


United Kingdom

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16554872

Niger

http://niger1.com/?paged=2

Japan

http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/peru-court-sentences-van-der-sloot-to-28-years-for-murder-of-american-girl

Australia

http://www.news.com.au/world/dutch-killer-handed-28-years/story-fn6sb9br-1226244161364



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Lifesong on January 14, 2012, 07:32:31 AM
I just want to say hello to Billb, Hotping, Robots, Rob, Jen3560, and all the other Monkey's that we haven't seen in quite sometime. We may jump out of the virtual world to attend to our daily lives, but all you Monkey's are never far from my mind because of the compassion we all show for those who have no voices left to speak up for justice. We come together to continue to keep their spirit and hope alive that it does come, and it is come incrementally.

"A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history."

MOHANDAS GANDHI

That reminds me of those Peruvian judges.

They did a fantastic job...  Kudos to the judges!!


I'd like to "second" both of those postings.  KTF its always good to see you! 



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

Quote

Please light a candle remembering Natalee and her family's quest for answers.  Since two were created, you may use one or both.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s



 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 14, 2012, 07:34:43 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/13/ddhln.01.html
DR. DREW
Van Der Sloot Sentenced to 28 Years; Unbuckling the Bible Belt
Aired January 13, 2012 - 21:00   ET


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Lifesong on January 14, 2012, 07:45:41 AM

I read a point on the last thread, I think by EURobert, regarding the trial of Joran's get-away cab drivers.  Aren't you all wondering what they could have talked about during that long drive?

I am.

Testimony, anyone?   ::MonkeyGavel::


Remember when Joran told Greta van Sustern that he had a documented, signed deal to be paid out of the Kalpoe's lawsuit winnings?


Remember how they have his laptop now?   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Hey Deepak Kalpoe                    It hasn't been a good week for you.              ::MonkeyEek::              




::MonkeyBike::


Edit to change maroon to navy.  MB




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 14, 2012, 07:53:52 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: LIFESONG LIVES  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 14, 2012, 09:06:54 AM
Hey,

Is it just me... or did anyone else notice Mary Hamer's freaky deaky left index finger in the Anderson Cooper interview?

oooo weeeee!!! Get behind thee, Satan. It was skeery. The woman has many issues.

---

Still pleased with Joran's sentence! Like some others, I don't think he's going to be able to cope with it. His time is short.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 14, 2012, 10:28:54 AM
I was checking out the new prison amenities.

Wow!

State of the art cement Sealy posturepedic bed. 1 sleep setting, so it's easy to remember. Hard as rock.

Also, a nice new 'squatty pottie'

Boy, if Joran has tummy troubles... he's quite in a pickle. ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::

LOL.  I hope Joran's first night as a convicted murderer sentenced to 28 years was filled with many uncomfortable hours,and not just from the bed.  I hope he couldn't sleep b/c he has to keep a watchful eye, b/c he is haunted by all his victims, & b/c his new reality is all he's going to have for many years to come.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/2012 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 10:39:38 AM
Anderson has some of the clips up from his conversation with Sugar Mary

http://www.andersoncooper.com/videos/

Thanks Northern Rose!

http://www.allthingsandersoncooper.com/

There's a short clip of Anderson's addendum to the show with Mary where he talks about her sending him a copy of the email she sent asking for her money back.

You will have to scroll down...it's right under this

"As the program was taped, there was an addendum concerning van der Sloot at the end ~"


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 11:05:18 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/13/ddhln.01.html
DR. DREW
Van Der Sloot Sentenced to 28 Years; Unbuckling the Bible Belt
Aired January 13, 2012 - 21:00   ET


Thanks Trimm!   ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2012, 11:26:13 AM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranCam28Yrs.jpg)


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Post by: Red on January 14, 2012, 11:26:45 AM
What Did the News Papers in Aruba Have to Say About Joran Van der Sloot and his 28 Year Sentnce in Prison for the Death of Stephany Flores

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/01/14/what-did-the-news-papers-in-aruba-have-to-say-about-joran-van-der-sloot-and-his-28-year-sentnce-in-prison-for-the-death-of-stephany-flores/

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Yesterday justice was finally provided in Peru in the murder of Stephany Flores. Joran Van der Sloot was finally held accountable for his actions for the first time in his life. Joran Van der Sloot was sentenced to 28 years in prison.  Joran Van der Sloot was the primary suspect in the death and disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway when she went missing in Aruba in 2005. A question to those in Aruba … how does it feel to know you could have prevented Stephany’s murder and instead allowed a predator to walk free and murder again?

 
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Mr. Mansur has been a guest numerous times on Scared Monkeys radio discussing Joran van der Sloot during the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba and the murder of Stephany Flores in Peru.

I followed the Joran affair pretty closely in Peru, and think the panel of 3 female judges did what was right.

Joran got what he deserved. The way he behaved in court must have convinced whomever still doubted his culpability that this man has absolutely no feelings, less of all remorse. Stefanie’s death was in the utmost degree cruel and I fear a paralell in Natalee’s case.

I think his next move will be to try to serve his sentence in Holland, depending on whatever treaty Peru may have with Holland in that respect.

Best regards to all of you


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Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 11:30:44 AM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/28-jaar-cel-voor-joran-van-der-sloot/

Google translation

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01142012_PRDV_jvds.png)




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Post by: MuffyBee on January 14, 2012, 11:34:58 AM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranCam28Yrs.jpg)


 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


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Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 11:35:21 AM
What Did the News Papers in Aruba Have to Say About Joran Van der Sloot and his 28 Year Sentnce in Prison for the Death of Stephany Flores

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/01/14/what-did-the-news-papers-in-aruba-have-to-say-about-joran-van-der-sloot-and-his-28-year-sentnce-in-prison-for-the-death-of-stephany-flores/

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Yesterday justice was finally provided in Peru in the murder of Stephany Flores. Joran Van der Sloot was finally held accountable for his actions for the first time in his life. Joran Van der Sloot was sentenced to 28 years in prison.  Joran Van der Sloot was the primary suspect in the death and disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway when she went missing in Aruba in 2005. A question to those in Aruba … how does it feel to know you could have prevented Stephany’s murder and instead allowed a predator to walk free and murder again?

 
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Mr. Mansur has been a guest numerous times on Scared Monkeys radio discussing Joran van der Sloot during the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba and the murder of Stephany Flores in Peru.

I followed the Joran affair pretty closely in Peru, and think the panel of 3 female judges did what was right.

Joran got what he deserved. The way he behaved in court must have convinced whomever still doubted his culpability that this man has absolutely no feelings, less of all remorse. Stefanie’s death was in the utmost degree cruel and I fear a paralell in Natalee’s case.

I think his next move will be to try to serve his sentence in Holland, depending on whatever treaty Peru may have with Holland in that respect.

Best regards to all of you


Thanks Red!   ::MonkeyCool::

Unless something changed with that extradition treaty as it went through the approval process, the reports back in May 2011 indicated that it was basically designed for those criminals convicted on drug charges to serve their sentences in their home country.  It was stated that the treaty was not intended for those criminals convicted of more serious offenses such as kidnapping and murder; which would exclude Joran from being eligible under the treaty.  I guess we'll see...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 11:36:59 AM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranCam28Yrs.jpg)


 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I LOVE IT!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

Good job Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::


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Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 11:50:37 AM
Looking for something else, and came across this good one by Klaas!   ::MonkeyJnBox::

 ::MonkeyDance::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5147/5685746434_608f2aef0c_o.gif)


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Post by: MuffyBee on January 14, 2012, 11:57:58 AM
Looking for something else, and came across this good one by Klaas!   ::MonkeyJnBox::

 ::MonkeyDance::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5147/5685746434_608f2aef0c_o.gif)

"..good one by Klaas"  is right!!   ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::  ::bee::


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Post by: Monkey King on January 14, 2012, 12:00:05 PM
What Did the News Papers in Aruba Have to Say About Joran Van der Sloot and his 28 Year Sentnce in Prison for the Death of Stephany Flores

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/01/14/what-did-the-news-papers-in-aruba-have-to-say-about-joran-van-der-sloot-and-his-28-year-sentnce-in-prison-for-the-death-of-stephany-flores/

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Yesterday justice was finally provided in Peru in the murder of Stephany Flores. Joran Van der Sloot was finally held accountable for his actions for the first time in his life. Joran Van der Sloot was sentenced to 28 years in prison.  Joran Van der Sloot was the primary suspect in the death and disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway when she went missing in Aruba in 2005. A question to those in Aruba … how does it feel to know you could have prevented Stephany’s murder and instead allowed a predator to walk free and murder again?

 
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Mr. Mansur has been a guest numerous times on Scared Monkeys radio discussing Joran van der Sloot during the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba and the murder of Stephany Flores in Peru.

I followed the Joran affair pretty closely in Peru, and think the panel of 3 female judges did what was right.

Joran got what he deserved. The way he behaved in court must have convinced whomever still doubted his culpability that this man has absolutely no feelings, less of all remorse. Stefanie’s death was in the utmost degree cruel and I fear a paralell in Natalee’s case.

I think his next move will be to try to serve his sentence in Holland, depending on whatever treaty Peru may have with Holland in that respect.

Best regards to all of you


Thanks Red!   ::MonkeyCool::

Unless something changed with that extradition treaty as it went through the approval process, the reports back in May 2011 indicated that it was basically designed for those criminals convicted on drug charges to serve their sentences in their home country.  It was stated that the treaty was not intended for those criminals convicted of more serious offenses such as kidnapping and murder; which would exclude Joran from being eligible under the treaty.  I guess we'll see...

I hope that still stands!!!

It's about time someone knocked that silver spoon out of his mouth!


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Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 12:08:01 PM
From May 2011

(I know there are more articles about this, I'm looking)

http://peru21.pe/noticia/756260/acuerdo-beneficiaria-van-der-sloot

Google translation

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05122011_Peru21_Joran.jpg)


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Post by: Monkey King on January 14, 2012, 12:28:18 PM
The Daily Beast

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...r-in-peru.html

Snipped ...

This morning, the news broke in Peru’s local media that van der Sloot had access to a cellular phone and that he was in constant communication with his attorney and his benefactor: Dr. Mary Hamer, a radiologist from Florida. Hamer had made public her request to Peruvian president Ollanta Humala to release van der Sloot to her care, offering what she calls a “10-year Ghandi program” to rehabilitate him from his gambling and drug addictions.

After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores. Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

Hat tip to Simplicity.



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Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 12:32:53 PM
Guardian Angel' of Van der Sloot demanded her money back
 Mary Hamer's attorney had asked the murderer of Stephany Flores you back U.S. $ 72 000 which gave bail

 The news of the condemnation of Joran Van der Sloot for the murder of Stephany Flores also reached Mary Hamer, the self-styled "guardian angel" of the Dutch. She would have demanded that he return the money to the process.

 "Mary Hamer wants to hire me to denounce me for fraud Jimenez because he asked for U.S. $ 80 000 diciédole that (Joran van der Sloot) was out on bail. She wants his money back because she says she has not paid for it, "said attorney Max Highness, one of the defenders of Van der Sloot.

 According to the report of the "At eleven o'clock," another of the lawyers of the Dutch, Luis Jimenez, had received a total of U.S. $ 72 thousand of Hamer to pay the bail of the confessed murderer, but in Peru there is no such process as collateral court.

According to the emails presented in the TV program, the lawyer would have responded to Mary Hamer that money invested in the cost of Van der Sloot. This paper revealed that the murderer of Stephany Flores purchased an apartment in the district of Magdalena for rent $ 1,500 per month.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1360813/noticia-angel-guardian-van-der-sloot-exigio-que-le-devuelvan-dinero


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Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 12:34:59 PM
Van der Sloot could get out of jail in 8 years

 ::snipping2::

 The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot could get out of jail in 8 years, if one takes into account that you can order probation once it meets one third of the sentence.

 "To this we may deduct one year prison benefits that you can access for work or education. Theoretically you can go at 8 years in prison," said criminal lawyer Mario Amoretti to Diario 16.

 Amoretti said that under the Criminal Procedure Code the judge will have to evaluate in advance if this is not a dangerous individual, if you are able to reintegrate into society and if he shows good behavior.

http://noticias.terra.com.pe/nacional/van-der-sloot-podria-salir-de-prision-en-8-anos,229158beeacd4310VgnVCM4000009bf154d0RCRD.html


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Post by: Monkey King on January 14, 2012, 12:36:11 PM
Guardian Angel' of Van der Sloot demanded her money back
 Mary Hamer's attorney had asked the murderer of Stephany Flores you back U.S. $ 72 000 which gave bail

 The news of the condemnation of Joran Van der Sloot for the murder of Stephany Flores also reached Mary Hamer, the self-styled "guardian angel" of the Dutch. She would have demanded that he return the money to the process.

 "Mary Hamer wants to hire me to denounce me for fraud Jimenez because he asked for U.S. $ 80 000 diciédole that (Joran van der Sloot) was out on bail. She wants his money back because she says she has not paid for it, "said attorney Max Highness, one of the defenders of Van der Sloot.

 According to the report of the "At eleven o'clock," another of the lawyers of the Dutch, Luis Jimenez, had received a total of U.S. $ 72 thousand of Hamer to pay the bail of the confessed murderer, but in Peru there is no such process as collateral court.

According to the emails presented in the TV program, the lawyer would have responded to Mary Hamer that money invested in the cost of Van der Sloot. This paper revealed that the murderer of Stephany Flores purchased an apartment in the district of Magdalena for rent $ 1,500 per month.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1360813/noticia-angel-guardian-van-der-sloot-exigio-que-le-devuelvan-dinero

He rented an apartment???


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Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 12:40:37 PM
(http://img.kiosko.net/2012/01/14/pe/pe_primera.750.jpg)

(http://cdn.larepublica.pe/sites/default/files/imagecache/img_impreso_380x456/imagen/2012/01/14/imagen_impreso-pagina1.jpg)


http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/137883/vea-portadas-principales-diarios-peruanos-hoy-sabado-14-enero


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Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 12:45:12 PM
Natalee Holloway's family Van der Sloot asked to be extradited

 His lawyer asked to answer for the crime of the young and the crime of extortion

 The murder charges against Joran Van der Sloot did not finish his sentence of 28 years in prison in Peru. On Friday the family of the girl Natalee Holloway, who disappeared six years ago on a beach in Aruba, announced that the Dutch extradition request to answer charges of extortion and suspected crime against a U.S. citizen.

 John P. Kelly, attorney Beth Twitty (mother of the disappeared), told reporters shortly initiate legal action to bring Joran Van der Sloot to justice in Birmingham, Alabama.

 "We hope the U.S. authorities extradite him to act fast. He has to answer federal charges pending and that the truth of what happened to Natalee in Aruba, "said the lawyer to the ABC television network.

 ::snipping2::

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1360812/noticia-familia-natalee-holloway-pedira-que-van-der-sloot-sea-extraditado


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 12:46:15 PM
Guardian Angel' of Van der Sloot demanded her money back
 Mary Hamer's attorney had asked the murderer of Stephany Flores you back U.S. $ 72 000 which gave bail

 The news of the condemnation of Joran Van der Sloot for the murder of Stephany Flores also reached Mary Hamer, the self-styled "guardian angel" of the Dutch. She would have demanded that he return the money to the process.

 "Mary Hamer wants to hire me to denounce me for fraud Jimenez because he asked for U.S. $ 80 000 diciédole that (Joran van der Sloot) was out on bail. She wants his money back because she says she has not paid for it, "said attorney Max Highness, one of the defenders of Van der Sloot.

 According to the report of the "At eleven o'clock," another of the lawyers of the Dutch, Luis Jimenez, had received a total of U.S. $ 72 thousand of Hamer to pay the bail of the confessed murderer, but in Peru there is no such process as collateral court.

According to the emails presented in the TV program, the lawyer would have responded to Mary Hamer that money invested in the cost of Van der Sloot. This paper revealed that the murderer of Stephany Flores purchased an apartment in the district of Magdalena for rent $ 1,500 per month.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1360813/noticia-angel-guardian-van-der-sloot-exigio-que-le-devuelvan-dinero

He rented an apartment???

That is the way it translated.  Would not surprise me that he thought he was getting out with his confession that did not work so well for him.


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Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 01:41:27 PM
http://www.hartvannederland.nl/nederland/2012/webredacteurs-blog-proces-joran-de-finale/

(http://www.hartvannederland.nl/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/demo.jpg)


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Post by: jamcakes on January 14, 2012, 01:42:57 PM
The Passive Personality Principle of International Law

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-sentencing_n_1204663.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl2|sec3_lnk3%26pLid%3D127582

Joran Van Der Sloot Sentencing: Dutchman Slapped With 28 Years For Murder Of Stephany Flores

 ::snipping2::

Earlier this week, Michael Griffith, senior partner at the International Legal Defense Counsel, told The Huffington Post that regardless of what van der Sloot was sentenced to in Peru, he would eventually be extradited to the U.S. for the alleged Holloway extortion plot and possibly her murder.

According to Griffith, the passive personality principle of international law allows a country to prosecute someone who has killed or injured an American citizen in a foreign country. In essence, jurisdiction is based on the nationality of the victim and not the location of the crime.

Griffith said that van der Sloot's alleged statements about Holloway, along with his previous confessions, are enough for U.S. authorities to bring a circumstantial murder case against him.

"There is no statute of limitations," Griffith said. "So even if he serves the max, he can still go on trial in the U.S."

Whether authorities in the U.S. will invoke the passive personality principle has yet to be decided.

 ::snipping2::

~~~~~~

I had heard the talking heads speak of this, but never knew what is was actually called. Now I do.

*note*  over 2000 comments on this article, most of which are glad Joran is behind bars.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 14, 2012, 01:57:21 PM
In conjunction:  Concurrent or Consecutive?

Anyone know what is meant by JQK's comment "in conjunction with"? Is he saying, in addition to?

I hope any sentence Joran might receive if he is tried, convicted and sentenced for in the US would be served consecutively (following) and not concurrently (at the same time as)

http://abcnews.go.com/US/joran-van-der-sloot-28-years-now-us/story?id=15353765#.TxHMRnrNmdm

 ::snipping2::

"We anticipate that U.S. authorities will move quickly to bring him to Alabama to face pending federal charges and to answer for his past conduct in Aruba," Kelly had said prior to the sentencing.

The U.S. District Attorney in Birmingham, where the case against van der Sloot will be prosecuted, did not immediately return calls for comment. They had previously told ABC News that they had made arrangements with Interpol to have van der Sloot extradited to the U.S.

Any sentence he might receive in the U.S. would be served in conjunction with the 28 years he was sentenced in Peru, Kelly said.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2012, 02:04:08 PM
THERE IS MUCH TO BE DONE

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 103: I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit.  Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible.  Mom is right; God is good.  All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over.  Not the work that has to be done.  Just the burden.  I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained.  And I am renewed, resilient.  Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me.  I will pick up one foot and put it down.  Then the other one will follow.  I will breathe.  There is much to be done.


Beth Holloway to speak at Bristol Public Library
Published: January 14, 2012
Updated: January 14, 2012 - 1:03 PM


Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee Holloway, will kick off this year’s Discovery Series at the Bristol Public Library, library officials are expected to announce Tuesday.

The Bristol Herald Courier has learned Holloway is slated to speak at the library in March. A private meet and greet session will be held before the lecture.

Holloway is expected to speak about keeping courage in times of adversity, as she dealt with the disappearance of her daughter, Natalee, during Natalee’s high school graduation trip to Aruba in 2005, library officials said Saturday.

<snipped>

http://www2.tricities.com/news/2012/jan/14/beth-holloway-speak-bristol-public-library-ar-1611887/


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2012, 02:11:27 PM
Natalee Holloway declared legally dead
January 12, 2012 -- Updated 2241 GMT (0641 HKT)


<snipped>

On Thursday, she (Beth) told reporters while leaving the courtroom that she was upset by the judge's decision.

"Natalee's father wanted to see this through, and of course it makes me very sad,"  said Beth Holloway, who now works with groups and families of missing children.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/12/justice/alabama-natalee-holloway/index.html




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 02:12:34 PM
Very interesting articles jamcakes!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::


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Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 02:37:59 PM
Joran van der Sloot to tougher prison

 Joran van der Sloot has been moved to a tougher prison in Peru. The 24-year-old Dutchman was Friday sentenced to 28 years in prison for the murder of Peruvian millionaire daughter Stephany Flores. Her father had protested against the 'privileges' that Van de Sloot in jail would enjoy, like a cell phone and internet. He is now transferred to the prison Piedras Gordas, nicknamed "the Fat Stones", in the north of the capital Lima.
 
 These include jail mafia bosses and those convicted of terrorism, there is a stricter regime. Van der Sloot comes to sit alone in a cell: he can be better controlled and no longer have such a phone, notify the authorities.

http://wereldnieuws.blog.nl/nederland/2012/01/14/joran-van-der-sloot-naar-strengere-gevangenis


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 02:40:28 PM
 ::snipping2::

"Many privileges in cell '
 Usually are prisoners in Peru after their conviction of their sentence in prison where they already stuck. For the conviction of Van der Sloot's father of the victim complained about the privileges of his daughter's killer in his cell in the Castro Castro prison would have. Through his phone so he would have Internet access. Also, in his cell, a large TV and a Blu-ray player have reported the Peruvian television program A Las Once yesterday. The program claims the iPhone Van der Sloot in possession from which it would appear.

 The heavily guarded Piedras Gordas prison located in the far north of the Peruvian capital Lima. Although the modern prison in Peru would be, the establishment has fallen into disrepute, because among other things, there would be drugs. Also captured were mobile phones and could include local media interviews.

http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2012/01/14/joran-van-der-sloot-overgeplaatst-naar-strengere-gevangenis/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 02:45:36 PM
(http://www.nrc.nl/inbeeld/files/2012/01/1401webapp8-980x735.jpg)

(http://www.nrc.nl/inbeeld/files/2012/01/1401webapp11-980x735.jpg)

http://www.nrc.nl/inbeeld/2012/01/14/joran-voor-de-rechter/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 02:48:40 PM
Joran transferred  VIDEO

http://www.zie.nl/video/algemeen/Joran-van-der-Sloot-overgeplaatst/m1fz4lkfstt9
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 02:51:20 PM
 ::snipping2::

The Dutch citizen Joran Van der Sloot, sentenced to 28 years in prison for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores, was transferred to the prison Ancon I (Ex Piedras BBW), according to the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE).

 In a statement, the institution said that Van der Sloot was taken "under strict security measures" at approximately 20:05 hours. "Security personnel went to the prison INPE target with said internal unreported occurrences novelty or on the way", says the document.

 "Right now, Joran Van der Sloot is located in the observation area until the Board of Ancon prison classification I determine the final location, according to the assessment that you do," he concludes.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-14-trasladan-a-joran-van-der-sloot-a-piedras-gordas-noticia_440804.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2012, 02:59:09 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks Jamcakes

Why was The Passive Personality Principle not invokes in the Natalee Holloway case a long time ago.  What is the criteria?

Janet

++++++


The Passive Personality Principle

Joran Van Der Sloot Sentencing: Dutchman Slapped With 28 Years For Murder Of Stephany Flores
First Posted: 1/13/12 01:02 PM ET
Updated: 1/13/12 06:08 PM ET


<snipped>

Earlier this week, Michael Griffith, senior partner at the International Legal Defense Counsel, told The Huffington Post that regardless of what van der Sloot was sentenced to in Peru, he would eventually be extradited to the U.S. for the alleged Holloway extortion plot and possibly her murder.

According to Griffith, the passive personality principle of international law allows a country to prosecute someone who has killed or injured an American citizen in a foreign country. In essence, jurisdiction is based on the nationality of the victim and not the location of the crime.

Griffith said that van der Sloot's alleged statements about Holloway, along with his previous confessions, are enough for U.S. authorities to bring a circumstantial murder case against him.

"There is no statute of limitations," Griffith said. "So even if he serves the max, he can still go on trial in the U.S."

Whether authorities in the U.S. will invoke the passive personality principle has yet to be decided.

<snipped>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-sentencing_n_1204663.html?icid=maing-grid7


Jurisdiction and Extradiction

NANCY GRACE
Judge Dismisses Holloway Suit
Aired August 11, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, the facts still remain that those are the last suspects known to be seen with Natalee alive. And everybody knows of their repeated lies that they told the authorities, even their father, Paulus Van Der Sloot. That`s why he was arrested. There was a reason that he was arrested in Natalee`s disappearance. It was not unwarranted whatsoever.

And you know -- and being dismissed in New York, it was on a procedure ruling.  Here again, jurisdiction.  We have faced that issue since May 30 of 2005.  Jurisdiction and extradition hve hit us in the face every time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html

 
Homeland Security?
 
Does Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez have his Eye on Aruba? Talk about bad for their Economy

 
If anyone wants to wonder why the US government never got more involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and why they did not take Aruba to task, they need only to look to the unstable leader of Venezuela for their answer. Hugo’s actions directly affect American's homeland security decisions.

Posted February 23, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/23/does-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez-have-his-eye-on-aruba-talk-about-bad-for-their-economy/

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 03:08:26 PM
Joran’s Guardian Angel: ‘Mr. Van Der Sloot Will Present His Thesis Of Peace To The Peruvian People And The World’

In light of Wednesday's confession to the murder of Stephany Flores, Joran van der Sloot now faces a prison sentence that could be far less than if he had gone to trial, but his self-professed "guardian angel" wants him to be released all together, claiming that in 2022 Joran will be presenting “his thesis of peace to the world.”

Mary Hamer, of Lake City, Florida, who has been paying the Dutchman's legal fees during his incarceration in Lima's Castro Castro prison, wrote a letter of appeal on Thursday to Peruvian President Ollanta Humala asking for Joran to be placed in her care.

"My humble request for clemency and mercy for honest and sincere statement of confession of Joran van der Sloot. Please release Mr. van der Sloot to me for 10 years Gandhi Nonviolence Program," wrote Hamer, in Spanish.

"In 2022, Mr. van der Sloot will present his thesis of peace to the Peruvian people and the world."

 ::snipping2::

Joran’s Guardian Angel: ‘Mr. Van Der Sloot Will Present His Thesis Of Peace To The Peruvian People And The World’Joran’s Guardian Angel: ‘Mr. Van Der Sloot Will Present His Thesis Of Peace To The Peruvian People And The World’ 18 25

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PolarisBy Debbie Emery - Radar Reporter

In light of Wednesday's confession to the murder of Stephany Flores, Joran van der Sloot now faces a prison sentence that could be far less than if he had gone to trial, but his self-professed "guardian angel" wants him to be released all together, claiming that in 2022 Joran will be presenting “his thesis of peace to the world.”

Mary Hamer, of Lake City, Florida, who has been paying the Dutchman's legal fees during his incarceration in Lima's Castro Castro prison, wrote a letter of appeal on Thursday to Peruvian President Ollanta Humala asking for Joran to be placed in her care.

"My humble request for clemency and mercy for honest and sincere statement of confession of Joran van der Sloot. Please release Mr. van der Sloot to me for 10 years Gandhi Nonviolence Program," wrote Hamer, in Spanish.

EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS: Joran Van Der Sloot's Bloody Clothing

"In 2022, Mr. van der Sloot will present his thesis of peace to the Peruvian people and the world."

As RadarOnline.com previously reported, the Florida-based radiologist believes that van der Sloot was suffering from post traumatic stress disorder when he killed Flores in a hotel room on May 30, 2010, the five-year anniversary of the date an Alabama teen went missing in Aruba, for which van der Sloot was arrested twice in connection with, but never charged.

PHOTOS: Joran Van Der Sloot In Custody

In another startling message, Hamer asks the Peruvian president if there is a plot to kill 24-year-old Joran before he is sentenced.

"Is it true that a prison official INPE Castro ordered the assassination of Joran Van der Sloot on Friday January 13 to January 17?" she wrote in an e-mail that she then sent to RadarOnline.com.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-guardian-angel-appeal-release-prison-assassination-plot


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 03:13:41 PM
 ::snipping2::

Hamer traveled to Lima in December and was able to visit the prison on one occasion, but was turned away on the following days. She pays for van der Sloot’s legal fees and sends him money regularly, although today she sent an email to a handful of journalists in which she demanded that Jimenez reimburse the money she had put forward for what she calls “bail”—except van der Sloot was never given a bail option. She may be referring to the civil reparation fine, which matches the amount she wired. In all exchanges, van der Sloot used an email address in the name of Sidney Ewing. Hamer was unavailable for comment.

 ::snipping2::


Today’s local news reported that van der Sloot enjoys “special privileges” behind bars, specifically a 42-inch television, a Wii or Nintendo game system, and a cellphone with Internet connection.
After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores. Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

 ::snipping2::

Despite the long sentence, of which van der Sloot has already served two years, about a dozen Peruvians rallied outside the courthouse, shouting, “Let him rot! Life imprisonment!” One sign read: “JVDS if you had committed this crime in the U.S., you would have gotten the electric chair.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/13/van-der-sloot-gets-28-years-for-murder-in-peru.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 03:16:45 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/11/van-der-sloot-pleads-guilty-to-killing-peru-woman/

(http://cdn2.dailycaller.com/2012/01/a3df4169c5fc487f88c4b75f63040db9.jpg)

Men protest against Joran van der Sloot outside San Pedro prison where his murder trial is held in Lima, Peru, Wednesday Jan. 11, 2012. Van der Sloot pleaded guilty on Wednesday to the 2010 murder of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman he met at a Lima casino who was killed five years to the day of the unsolved disappearance in Aruba of an American teen in which he remains the main suspect. (AP Photo/Karel Navarro)

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/11/van-der-sloot-pleads-guilty-to-killing-peru-woman/#ixzz1jSuvtDLM


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2012, 03:17:20 PM
Could it be that the reason The Passive Personality Principle has not be invoked in the Natalee Holloway case is the same reason that the Phil McGraw's defence attorneys are not being afforded documentation in the defamation lawsuit?  The reason?  The Natalee Holloway case is not officially closed.

Janet

+++++


STILL SUSPECTS in Holloway case

(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8063/16490008.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 03:26:29 PM
This video is intersesting as it has a caption in one part that says "Van Der Sloot Cell" and they start showing the TV, DVD, and many messages on an iPhone between Sidney/Urine and Mary.  Just wish I could understand what they are saying. 

http://www.tvo-peru.com/2012/01/13/indignante-joran-van-der-sloot-tiene-privilegios-en-la-carcel/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2012, 03:26:32 PM
To avoid an outside investigation ... somehow I do not believe that Aruba is ever going to officially close the Natalee Holloway case.  It will be classified as forever ongoing/open.

Janet

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When the Case is Closed

Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005


<snipped>

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: Well, the way the system works down here, when the case is closed, we will have all that information, and we can release it to the world.

<snipped

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 12/2/2005 10:37:47 AM ET


ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: There's a lot that Americans can do through the State Department. I want to remind everybody that Natalee Holloway was a U.S. citizen. Once the Aruban authorities are done investigating this case, the FBI can still conduct an investigation, and they could extradite these suspects to the United States. Let me point out that there's a ton of circumstantial evidence in this case to convict these kids.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


DANA PRETZER
July 2, 2006 - Part 1
July 8, 2006 - Part 2


Art Wood:

The family of Natalee needs to put pressure on the US attorney in Birmingham to push the FBI to conduct an investigation after ALE close the case. We have a treaty that allows the FBI to pursue a violation of civil rights of an American citizen there.

s.t.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 03:30:45 PM
 ::snipping2::

They pointed out that would have a cell phone with Internet access to chat with friends through the account "Sidney Ewing" and in the emails you receive from your lawyer Luis Jimenez.

 In an email from his lawyer, it is clear that the U.S. citizen Mary Hamer, benefactor of Van der Sloot, Jimenez asked to return the $ 74 000 for bail, after learning the outcome of the process. In addition, e-mails also show the contract to rent an apartment in the district of Magdalena, conducted by Van der Sloot from prison. Today will be handed his sentence for the murder of the young Stephany Flores occurred in May 2010.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.tvo-peru.com/2012/01/13/indignante-joran-van-der-sloot-tiene-privilegios-en-la-carcel/

I guess he did rent an apt if they found the contract on his iPhone   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on January 14, 2012, 03:43:49 PM
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deeds/201201/joran-casey-and-psychopathic-narcissism-forensic-commentary?page=3
Joran, Casey and Psychopathic Narcissism: A Forensic Commentary
What do Casey Anthony and Joran van der Sloot have in common?
Published on January 13, 2012 by Dr. Stephen A. Diamond, Ph.D. in Evil Deeds


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 14, 2012, 03:47:27 PM
Jan 13, 2012
Joran Van der Sloot gets 28 years for Peru killing


<snipped>

The victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the verdict that Van der Sloot was enjoying favorable conditions in a Lima prison, where he has been living apart from the general population and foreigners with money can buy superior treatment, the Associated Press reports.

"A jail isn't a 5-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Let's hope the authorities take that into account and not just in our case."

"Since the first day we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" that Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail. He said he would present evidence of this at a news conference on Monday.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-gets-xx-year-sentence-for-peru-killing/1?csp=34news


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 03:48:18 PM
Screen Capture of the contract to rent an Apt.  I underlined his name and the fact he lives in Castro Castro   ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss174/northernrose/image1-1.jpg)

http://www.tvo-peru.com/2012/01/13/indignante-joran-van-der-sloot-tiene-privilegios-en-la-carcel/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 03:52:52 PM
(http://www.tvo-peru.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/joran-online.jpg)

http://www.tvo-peru.com/2012/01/13/indignante-joran-van-der-sloot-tiene-privilegios-en-la-carcel/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 04:32:19 PM
 
 ::snipping2::
The benefits that the Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot in his cell of the Miguel Castro Castro, has aroused the indignation of many as they believe it is a mockery of the judicial system of our country and therefore the murderer of Stephanie Flores looks calm and unconcerned.

 However, his lawyer defended him and reported that Van der Sloot made ​​a statement asking for input of the equipment. "All prisoners have the same," he said. However, the Dutch monetary transactions using your cell phone, and so pays the rent in Magdalena department for $ 1500 a month.

 One of his lawyers, Maximum Highness said that since the Dutch were seeking their freedom from excess jail terms, had the legal address requirement and due to its status as a foreigner, had to submit the lease of a department to enforce your request.

 In addition, HRH reported that the Van der Sloot's benefactor, Mary Hammer, has requested his services for another lawyer to sue the Dutch for fraud because he had given $ 80,000 bail for the confessed murderer of Stephanie Flores, but before reading sentencing, demands his money back.

 Through social networks, Joran Van der Sloot also maintains contact with friends and family, send them pictures of him in jail and up to a dog and a cat that pets be in prison. The victim's father, businessman Ricardo Flores, has publicly called for the judiciary deprived of these privileges to Joran Van der Sloot "to benefit the country."

http://www.americatv.com.pe/portal/programas/entretenimiento/magazin/las-11-empieza-la-noche/multimedia/130112-las-11-los-privilegios-d


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 04:35:27 PM
Wonder who is looking after his pet dog and cat now that they moved him?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 14, 2012, 05:36:51 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks Jamcakes

Why was The Passive Personality Principle not invokes in the Natalee Holloway case a long time ago.  What is the criteria?

Janet

++++++



The reason I heard on one of the talk shows is because now she has been declared legally dead.  Before she was missing & presumed dead.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 14, 2012, 05:46:56 PM
Wonder who is looking after his pet dog and cat now that they moved him?

He had a dog & cat in Castro Castro?  I wonder how the pets ever survived?

I wonder WHY he rented an apartment, and HOW he can afford it/  Maybe Mary Hamer is relocating!

I am outraged that he has a cell phone and a computer and all these other perks!  It must be a hoax of some sort, especially since he just changed prisons and is supposedly in observation to determine classification.

If he had TV, computer, pets, etc - what kind of prison is this place?  What did they do? Hook up the U-Haul and move all his stuff?

I'm looking forward to Mr Flores press conference on Monday to hear more.  Anyone know what time and will it be covered live on any US TV station?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 06:07:36 PM
Wonder who is looking after his pet dog and cat now that they moved him?

He had a dog & cat in Castro Castro?  I wonder how the pets ever survived?

I wonder WHY he rented an apartment, and HOW he can afford it/  Maybe Mary Hamer is relocating!

I am outraged that he has a cell phone and a computer and all these other perks!  It must be a hoax of some sort, especially since he just changed prisons and is supposedly in observation to determine classification.

If he had TV, computer, pets, etc - what kind of prison is this place?  What did they do? Hook up the U-Haul and move all his stuff?

I'm looking forward to Mr Flores press conference on Monday to hear more.  Anyone know what time and will it be covered live on any US TV station?

The cat and dog are reported in the article a few posts above.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 06:08:55 PM
I think this is his new home

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVI7bsJTcRo&feature=player_embedded#!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 14, 2012, 06:33:14 PM
 ::snipping2::

The mail traffic shows that the aunt's money for his deposit back and demands that Joran from his cell a lease for an apartment close. Furthermore, they found his phone also pictures of ex-girlfriends to.

 ::snipping2::


http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/2161/Zaak-Holloway/article/detail/1378499/2012/01/13/Joran-van-der-Sloot-heeft-iPhone-42-inch-LCD-tv-en-internet-in-zijn-cel.dhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 14, 2012, 07:37:49 PM
::snipping2::

The mail traffic shows that the aunt's money for his deposit back and demands that Joran from his cell a lease for an apartment close. Furthermore, they found his phone also pictures of ex-girlfriends to.

 ::snipping2::


http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/2161/Zaak-Holloway/article/detail/1378499/2012/01/13/Joran-van-der-Sloot-heeft-iPhone-42-inch-LCD-tv-en-internet-in-zijn-cel.dhtml


I watched one of the videos showing the pics of ex-girlfriends on the cell phone.  I think one of them is Fabienne Maessen, the blonde from Spring Break on the Marriott Beach.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 14, 2012, 07:50:37 PM
Wonder who is looking after his pet dog and cat now that they moved him?

He had a dog & cat in Castro Castro?  I wonder how the pets ever survived?

I wonder WHY he rented an apartment, and HOW he can afford it/  Maybe Mary Hamer is relocating!

I am outraged that he has a cell phone and a computer and all these other perks!  It must be a hoax of some sort, especially since he just changed prisons and is supposedly in observation to determine classification.

If he had TV, computer, pets, etc - what kind of prison is this place?  What did they do? Hook up the U-Haul and move all his stuff?

I'm looking forward to Mr Flores press conference on Monday to hear more.  Anyone know what time and will it be covered live on any US TV station?

Man, it just gets more and more bizarre!

He's lucky they didn't have him on a bread and water diet!

I'm glad Mr Flores is stepping up to the plate and bringing attention to this.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 08:28:57 PM
http://pulitzerandthompson.com/joran-van-der-sloots-never-before-seen-psych-report/

(http://pulitzerandthompson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Joran-in-court-multimedia-box.jpg)

Joran van der Sloot’s Never Before Seen Psych Report

On Friday the 13th, 2012, Van der Sloot was sentenced to a prison term of twenty-eight years. How much time he actually serves is now up to Peruvian prison officials. Under the Peruvian system he could be eligible for release in as little as ten years.

When Joran does eventually come up for parole we can only hope the Peruvian authorities will take into account Joran’s never before released psychiatric report. A report which clearly indicates Van der Sloot is a menace to society who should never be free to kill again.

Our hearts and prayers are with the Flores and Holloway families.

What follows is the full psychiatric exam taken just days after Van der Sloot’s arrest for a chilling murder that rocked the world. The report was obtained exclusively by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson while researching the book Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru and the Natalee Holloway Mystery.

http://pulitzerandthompson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Joran-van-der-Sloot-psych-report-page-one.jpg

Joran van der Sloot Psych Report:

Peruvian National Police Department (DIRINCRI)

Psychological Report


A.  Origin:  DIRINCRI PNP

 B.  Background :  #2103-10 DIRINCRI Homicide Division

 C.  Exam

1)  NAME :  Joran Petrus van der Sloot 22

2) REASON:  He is implicated in the alleged crime against the life, body and health of Stephany Flores 21.  Body found on June 2nd at aprox 4:40 am inside room 309 of the Hotel Tac.

3) PLACE AND DATE Division of Homicide June 7th 2010

4) METHOD  Psychological interview, Mental exam, Psychological tests

 D.  Results

1)   Description of the physical appearance and attitude of the examinee

The examinee presents himself as a detainee in regular state of physical cleanliness and appearance.  Light skinned, of white race, tall in stature, slim, hair neatly cut and dyed blonde.  Has a tattoo in the Thai language that translated means “No problem,” in the left pectoral muscle.  His facial expression reflects serenity and stiffness, at times pensive and introspective, his gaze is fixed and sad, but making eye contact.  The language comprehensible, although at times it is difficult because of the translation into Spanish.  His accent being that of a foreigner.  His posture is somewhat stooped, his walk coordinated without any visible physical disorder.

During the evaluation he looks tense and preoccupied, he seems passive, communicative, accessible and given to dialogue, on occasion he is anxious moving his lower extremities constantly, and exhibiting a tremor in his hands.  He recounts the events of the investigation coherently, responding clearly to the questions asked  and accepting  the blame for the criminal events for which he is being investigated; however from time to time (beginning of aggression) offers answers in his favor, where it can be perceived the incoherence between the statement and his emotional responses, which reflects the hiding of information. While offering information of his family life he turns volatile and cries, showing that he is affected by the consequences of his legal situation. He assists partially with the process of the psychological examination.

2. Verbatim account of the reason for his detention

“I met Stephany on May 28th at the Atlantic City casino at approximately 6pm, she approached me, I was playing poker, she knew there was a Dutchman, she said ‘You are the Dutchman that plays poker.  I am a poker amateur.’  I had bought a telephone chip in Wong and we exchanged telephone numbers, I chatted with her for a while, five minutes and she said, ‘Tomorrow I am going to call you to do something together’ and the following day she called me in the morning of May 29th, and she said, ‘I am going to have coffee and I am going to play poker.’  I said I’ll see you later, and around 6pm I went to the Atlantic City Casino alone, from 6pm until two in the morning  I was playing blackjack and I went upstairs to the poker game and Stephany arrived at the table where I was playing, I spoke with her and she asked me if I had a girlfriend and I told her that I am single and she said ‘I have a girl, I am a lesbian,’  I said, it doesn’t matter, in Holland I have homosexual friends, lesbians, afterwards I said to her let’s go to my room to play poker on my laptop, I had drank whisky cola at the Atlantic City Casino, later on I drank 4 or 5 pisco sours, I don’t know if she drank a lot, but she did drink wine.  We were there up until 5:30 in the morning.  After playing poker the two of us lost $1,000 USD, which is not a lot of money, I had arrived with money in cash, on May 28th I won $1,500.  We went to the room, she went of her own accord, we entered the room and we sat on the bed, I opened my Facebook account and I had received a message where they said, ‘I’m going to kill you,’ It was because of the Aruba case, they insulted me, there were always those messages and I was chatting with Stephany, telling her about the Aruba case, that I hadn’t done anything wrong, and at a certain point I reacted with a strike on the nose (he makes a gesture with his elbow) and there was a lot of blood and I struck her head against the wall and I didn’t know what I was thinking.  I had n impulsive reaction, she struck first with her hand on my head (he closes his hand forming a fist) and we began hitting each other, she had strength or she was strong, then I grabbed her from the neck (he shows with his hands that he grabs her tightly about the neck) and she bled a lot.  I didn’t want to see a lot of blood and I wanted to remove the sheet, and I was a little frightened, blood spilled on my clothing and I covered her face, I do not remember what she was saying, she began to breath heavily and I took her pants off and I covered her face, until I couldn’t hear anything else, I changed my t-shirt, I didn’t take a shower, I took her keys and her cards and money that there was, 850 soles, I left the room and I saw a person and I said nothing, I wanted to leave that place, I left in the car, I don’t know the streets of Lima, I wanted to go as far as possible, I left the car anywhere, I threw the keys and the cards away in a garbage bin, I paid for a cab and I went to the airport, but I was afraid and I went to a bus company, then I asked a cabbie to take me to another city, farther away and in the direction of Chile.”

“I left the hotel at eight am more or less, I was with Stephany for two hours, we went to my room as friends, nothing about sexual relations.”

3. Relevant data of his personal history

Born in Holland, Aug 6th 1987.  The eldest of three brothers.

The family is comprised of his father who was Paul van der Sloot, a judge in Aruba (deceased) His mother Anita van der Sloot, professor, the family relationship was good, he remembers that there was better communication with his father than with his mother, he travelled frequently to different countries with his parents and brothers.  His brothers are Valentino (19) and Sebastian (15), he was closer to the youngest brother and as he remembers he turns unstable.  He does not manifest any violence or maltreatment on the part of his family.

He lived with his parents until age 17, when he was accused of the death of a young woman in Aruba and after three months, the time that it took to process the investigation, of which he was absolved, he traveled to Holland with views to “forget the events, especially the time he spent in prison,” resides there for two years, while he studies international business, and receiving 800 Euros per month from the Dutch government, however he indicates that “I didn’t take my studies very seriously,” playing poker instead, tennis, and enjoying himself.  Also indicated that he did not have any productive activities that would have helped in his personal development.

He abandons Holland because he is filmed through a hidden camera in an interview with a “friend” about the death of the girl in Aruba, which is then broadcast on Dutch TV, which was the reason he traveled to Thailand, where he resided until Feb of 2010 in that country he had a restaurant were pizza and coffee were sold   across from the university; said business was left in the care of a friend, in exchange for a rent of $1,500 USD, in Feb of 2010 he comes back to Aruba due to his father’s death and to keep his mother company.

School, indicates having been a good student, restless as a child, but doing well in school.  He reports not having skipped school, because his school was private and everything was communicated to the parents.  He did not have fights with his friends or problems with his teachers.  His schoolwork was good, for which he was accepted to several universities in the United States, but he had to reject those due to the problem of the girl who disappeared in Aruba.

He reports having masturbated since he was 14 years old, which was done alone or with his male friends, watching porn videos on the Internet, on only one instance a male friend gave him oral sex.  At age 14 he had his first girlfriends and his first sexual experience, the relationship lasted for a year and a half. He has had two girlfriends and several casual relationships for short periods of time; it wasn’t difficult to establish relationships. Nowadays he masturbates two to three times a week.  He doesn’t exhibit sexual problems.  His girlfriend in Thailand liked to use sex toys and objects.

In reference to work, he has not had a stable job, until two and a half years ago when he opened his business in Thailand (pizza and coffee).

He has consumed alcohol since he was 18.  When in prison in Aruba he used marijuana; said consumption has become more frequent; after his father’s death alcohol consumption has increased; in Peru he drank whisky cola and pisco sours almost daily.  He says he uses marijuana “when I don’t want to think.  It hardens me. It does not make me sentimental.”

He reports to be a person who enjoys sports such as tennis and soccer; as well as poker, a game that in some instances has made him a lot of money, and also “cheating” in the company of his friends.

In addition, he indicates that when he agreed to interviews he would charge between fifty and one hundred thousand dollars.

4  Evaluation of cognitive functions:

Consciousness level  Lucid and conscience of time, place and person

Attention and concentration level:  Slightly diminished due to current stress

Memory  Intact

Language:  Exhibits difficulty in expressing himself in the Spanish language, however, he is understood with adequate association of ideas.

Thought process : Logical and coherent.  His thought process is abstract, he is capable of conceptualizing and perceiving stimuli beyond what is concrete and evident.

Social judgment:  Exhibits normal capacity to analyze and solve common situations of everyday life, proceeding in an impulsive manner when confronted with conflict or unpleasant situations, as well as driven by his personal satisfaction and fancies.

Cultural and intellectual level: He exhibits an information and general cultural level that corresponds to his instruction level (superior incomplete international business). Average intellectual level, with the potential to broaden his intellectual efficiency

5.  Personality traits and characteristics

He faces regular stimuli with anxiety and insecurity, he strives to control, however, when he recalls the family unit he tends to become emotional and cries.

He is sociable and finds it easy to establish interpersonal relationships through friendly and charismatic conduct in order to captivate others, even though he can be indifferent when it comes to the well being of others; has the capacity to maintain a fraudulent social style, because of this he constantly watches out for only his own personal gain.

He exhibits a deficient social conscience as is observed through the violation of rules and the involvement in actions that affect others, without regard for the rights of others, looking only to satisfy his own interests (Money), and through withholding of information and/or distortion of facts in order to project a good self image.

He leans towards social irresponsibility, the absence of achievement and the enjoyment of superficial activities, games of chance, and in general a libertine lifestyle.

He has low tolerance for frustration, does not tolerate inconveniences, he resents and offends easily, which engenders a feeling of revenge.   If the situation calls for it he resorts to verbal and physical aggression when necessary.

He is prone to emotional immaturity, he shows sudden changes in behavior, from simple irony, impatience, and impulsive mordacity, indignation, excessive irritability and incontrollable emotions, that makes him prone to behavior that is excessively aggressive, without regard to injury of third parties, because he rarely complies with established rules of reason and prudence.

He identifies with his masculine role.  Exhibits certain dominance over the opposite sex, minimizing and devaluing the feminine image.

E: Conclusions

Joran van der Sloot (22) at the time of this exam does not exhibit psychopathological disorders, which would impede his ability to evaluate reality.

Exhibits an average intellectual level, which potentially could broaden his intellectual efficiency.  The examinee presents an anti-social personality characterized by the ease with which he establishes superficial interpersonal relationships, indifference when it comes to others’ well being and the capacity to maintain a fraudulent social style; deficient social conscience that shows in the violation of rules and the mixing in events that affect others’ rights, looking only to advance his own interests.  He shows social irresponsibility, the enjoyment of superficial activities, in general a libertine and hedonistic lifestyle in search of new sensations in order to be stimulated. Low tolerance to frustration, unable to stand inconveniences and a tendency to generate a vengeful attitude.  Emotionally immature which prompts sudden changes in his behavior that can go from simple criticism, to out of control emotions, which make him prone to commit acts against the lives of others.  Shows certain dominance over the opposite sex with the devaluation of the feminine figure.
-Lima, June 7, 2010

Interview conducted by: Silvia Rojas Regalado, Forensic Psychologist with the Peruvian National Police (Also a professor at the Escuela Iberoamericana de Desarrollo Social)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 08:36:27 PM
Quote
He has consumed alcohol since he was 18.
   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Now why would he lie about that when it would be so easy for them to figure that one out?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::boxingjoran::


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Post by: cecilita on January 14, 2012, 08:37:58 PM
The monster deserves to go to the prison San Juan de lurigancho!!!


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Post by: cecilita on January 14, 2012, 08:39:26 PM
Screen Capture of the contract to rent an Apt.  I underlined his name and the fact he lives in Castro Castro   ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss174/northernrose/image1-1.jpg)

http://www.tvo-peru.com/2012/01/13/indignante-joran-van-der-sloot-tiene-privilegios-en-la-carcel/
that document must have something fishy.....the rent for a house in Magdalena del mar can't go more that 500 dollars... ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 09:05:41 PM
From the psych report:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12557.msg1503299#msg1503299

 ::snipping2::

Quote
He lived with his parents until age 17, when he was accused of the death of a young woman in Aruba and after three months, the time that it took to process the investigation, of which he was absolved, he traveled to Holland with views to “forget the events, especially the time he spent in prison,” resides there for two years, while he studies international business, and receiving 800 Euros per month from the Dutch government, however he indicates that “I didn’t take my studies very seriously,” playing poker instead, tennis, and enjoying himself.  Also indicated that he did not have any productive activities that would have helped in his personal development.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

For what?  Just for being a student?  That's about a thousand dollars a month!

Geez! 


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Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 09:10:44 PM
Absolved of the investigation...

O M G

I need to quit reading. 

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::boxingjoran:: ::MonkeyMad::


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Post by: carpe noctem on January 14, 2012, 09:11:27 PM
Thanks texasmom!


I'm sure glad the forensic psychologist cleared up that part about Joran and his lil' buddies gathering together in the guest house to have 'sword fights'. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I could have gone the rest of my life without suffering that visual.

...and they wonder why he has a tremor in his hands. Creep! ::snipping2:: ::boxingjoran::



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Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 09:17:00 PM
Thanks texasmom!


I'm sure glad the forensic psychologist cleared up that part about Joran and his lil' buddies gathering together in the guest house to have 'sword fights'. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I could have gone the rest of my life without suffering that visual.

...and they wonder why he has a tremor in his hands. Creep! ::snipping2:: ::boxingjoran::



THANK YOU CARPE, I needed that!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sword fights...   ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyKiss::   ::monkeywine2::


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Post by: Kermit on January 14, 2012, 09:46:08 PM
In all exchanges, van der Sloot used an email address in the name of Sidney Ewing
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4387/joranprivlegesa.jpg)
(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5990/joranprivlegesb.jpg)
(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3793/joranprivlegesanitaandb.jpg)


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Post by: jamcakes on January 14, 2012, 10:16:48 PM
http://pulitzerandthompson.com/joran-van-der-sloots-never-before-seen-psych-report/

(http://pulitzerandthompson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Joran-in-court-multimedia-box.jpg)

Joran van der Sloot’s Never Before Seen Psych Report

On Friday the 13th, 2012, Van der Sloot was sentenced to a prison term of twenty-eight years. How much time he actually serves is now up to Peruvian prison officials. Under the Peruvian system he could be eligible for release in as little as ten years.

When Joran does eventually come up for parole we can only hope the Peruvian authorities will take into account Joran’s never before released psychiatric report. A report which clearly indicates Van der Sloot is a menace to society who should never be free to kill again.

Our hearts and prayers are with the Flores and Holloway families.

What follows is the full psychiatric exam taken just days after Van der Sloot’s arrest for a chilling murder that rocked the world. The report was obtained exclusively by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson while researching the book Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru and the Natalee Holloway Mystery.

http://pulitzerandthompson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Joran-van-der-Sloot-psych-report-page-one.jpg

Joran van der Sloot Psych Report:

Psychological Report[/b]
 Has a tattoo in the Thai language that translated means “No problem,” in the left pectoral muscle.

 however from time to time (beginning of aggression) offers answers in his favor, where it can be perceived the incoherence between the statement and his emotional responses, which reflects the hiding of information. While offering information of his family life he turns volatile and cries, showing that he is affected by the consequences of his legal situation. He assists partially with the process of the psychological examination.

 After playing poker the two of us lost $1,000 USD, which is not a lot of money, I had arrived with money in cash, on May 28th I won $1,500. 

$1,000 USD is not a lot of money?  He murdered and robbed Stephany for less than that!!

How dare he cry for himself when he thinks of his family unit.  He had no regard for what he did to Natalee's, Stephany's and his own family.  What a POS!


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Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 10:45:57 PM
http://pulitzerandthompson.com/will-joran-van-der-sloot-return-to-us-to-face-trial/

Will Joran van der Sloot return to US to face trial?

Last night, before appearing on the Dr. Drew Show on HLN I had a chance to speak with John Q. Kelly, the attorney for the mother of Natalee Holloway.

Kelly, a no-nonsense and brilliant former Federal prosecutor, filled me in on a plan to return Joran to the US to face wire fraud and extortion charges related to the Dutchman’s alleged attempt to sell the location of Natalee’s body for $250,000.

According to Kelly a plan is already in the works to bring Van der Sloot to Alabama within the next several months. Kelly told me that after the US trial and hopeful conviction on charges carrying a sentence of thirty years, he would then be returned to Peruvian custody.

I have to admit the plan seemed a little hair-brained when I first heard of it, but then I thought of the William Trickett Smith case. Smith is an American accused of murdering his wife in Peru. The US sent Smith back to Peru after authorities here felt Peru had accumulated enough evidence for a conviction. After all our two countries do have extradition treaties.

It is Kelly’s hope that after a trial in Alabama, van der Sloot would be sent back to Peru to serve his entire sentence there. That’s fifty-eight years in prison folks.

Whether this plan will pan out remains to be seen. But it would explain the calm demeanor of Stephany’s father, Ricardo Flores, in court during Van der Sloot’s sentencing. Was he aware of a secret legal strategy that could have Joran in prison for the rest of his life?


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Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 10:52:40 PM
http://pulitzerandthompson.com/joran-van-der-sloots-never-before-seen-psych-report/

(http://pulitzerandthompson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Joran-in-court-multimedia-box.jpg)

Joran van der Sloot’s Never Before Seen Psych Report

On Friday the 13th, 2012, Van der Sloot was sentenced to a prison term of twenty-eight years. How much time he actually serves is now up to Peruvian prison officials. Under the Peruvian system he could be eligible for release in as little as ten years.

When Joran does eventually come up for parole we can only hope the Peruvian authorities will take into account Joran’s never before released psychiatric report. A report which clearly indicates Van der Sloot is a menace to society who should never be free to kill again.

Our hearts and prayers are with the Flores and Holloway families.

What follows is the full psychiatric exam taken just days after Van der Sloot’s arrest for a chilling murder that rocked the world. The report was obtained exclusively by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson while researching the book Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru and the Natalee Holloway Mystery.

http://pulitzerandthompson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Joran-van-der-Sloot-psych-report-page-one.jpg

Joran van der Sloot Psych Report:

Psychological Report[/b]
 Has a tattoo in the Thai language that translated means “No problem,” in the left pectoral muscle.

 however from time to time (beginning of aggression) offers answers in his favor, where it can be perceived the incoherence between the statement and his emotional responses, which reflects the hiding of information. While offering information of his family life he turns volatile and cries, showing that he is affected by the consequences of his legal situation. He assists partially with the process of the psychological examination.

 After playing poker the two of us lost $1,000 USD, which is not a lot of money, I had arrived with money in cash, on May 28th I won $1,500. 

$1,000 USD is not a lot of money?  He murdered and robbed Stephany for less than that!!

How dare he cry for himself when he thinks of his family unit.  He had no regard for what he did to Natalee's, Stephany's and his own family.  What a POS!

It is a lot of money to me.

But I'm not so sure that the amount Joran admits having taken from Stephany is ALL that he got.

I think if the case had gone to trial the testimony of one of Stephany's friends may have been that Stephany had a lot more money on her than that; and it was not recovered in the room or in her vehicle.

I think there are still a lot of unanswered questions about the whole thing.  Several I can think of anyway...

jmo


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Post by: Monkey King on January 14, 2012, 11:12:56 PM
TexasMom~

How did you come up with the 58 year figure and are you suggesting JVS could possibly complete the US sentence in Peru?  ::bananadance::


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Post by: jamcakes on January 14, 2012, 11:17:25 PM
http://pulitzerandthompson.com/joran-van-der-sloots-never-before-seen-psych-report/

Joran van der Sloot Psych Report:

 "After playing poker the two of us lost $1,000 USD, which is not a lot of money, I had arrived with money in cash, on May 28th I won $1,500."

$1,000 USD is not a lot of money?  He murdered and robbed Stephany for less than that!!

It is a lot of money to me.

But I'm not so sure that the amount Joran admits having taken from Stephany is ALL that he got.

I think if the case had gone to trial the testimony of one of Stephany's friends may have been that Stephany had a lot more money on her than that; and it was not recovered in the room or in her vehicle.

I think there are still a lot of unanswered questions about the whole thing.  Several I can think of anyway...

jmo

$1000 USD is a lot of money to me too!  IIRC, it was said on TV, that he allegedly told the translator after his original confession that he got $5000. Of course that could have been a braggadocio exaggeration. If not, what did he do with the money as it was not on him when he was arrested?  The money was not in the car when it was found either, but the car was found in a low rent district and could have been vandalized before it was located.  Another mystery we will probably never know the truth of.

So in essence, he murdered her and robbed her for about $300 USD. And he considers $1000 USD not a lot of money.  Clearly he had no value for Stephany's life.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 14, 2012, 11:22:35 PM
TexasMom~

How did you come up with the 58 year figure and are you suggesting JVS could possibly complete the US sentence in Peru?  ::bananadance::

Perhaps...?

28 years for Stephany's murder

plus

25 years for wire fraud and extortion in Alabama

equals

53 years


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 14, 2012, 11:26:26 PM
Oops, reread the original

28 years for murder
+
30 years for wire fraud and extortion (I had heard 25 years, but the article says 30 yrs)
___
58 years


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2012, 11:32:42 PM
The information about the 58 years was from Cole Thompson and Lisa Pulitzer's website about the book they co-authored.

http://pulitzerandthompson.com/will-joran-van-der-sloot-return-to-us-to-face-trial/



But...58 years sounds good to me too!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 12:03:41 AM
http://pulitzerandthompson.com/joran-van-der-sloots-never-before-seen-psych-report/

Joran van der Sloot Psych Report:

 "After playing poker the two of us lost $1,000 USD, which is not a lot of money, I had arrived with money in cash, on May 28th I won $1,500."

$1,000 USD is not a lot of money?  He murdered and robbed Stephany for less than that!!

It is a lot of money to me.

But I'm not so sure that the amount Joran admits having taken from Stephany is ALL that he got.

I think if the case had gone to trial the testimony of one of Stephany's friends may have been that Stephany had a lot more money on her than that; and it was not recovered in the room or in her vehicle.

I think there are still a lot of unanswered questions about the whole thing.  Several I can think of anyway...

jmo

$1000 USD is a lot of money to me too!  IIRC, it was said on TV, that he allegedly told the translator after his original confession that he got $5000. Of course that could have been a braggadocio exaggeration. If not, what did he do with the money as it was not on him when he was arrested?  The money was not in the car when it was found either, but the car was found in a low rent district and could have been vandalized before it was located.  Another mystery we will probably never know the truth of.

So in essence, he murdered her and robbed her for about $300 USD. And he considers $1000 USD not a lot of money.  Clearly he had no value for Stephany's life.

All jmo...

I don't think all of his time on the run is accounted for; or where some of his belongings ended up.  I think there's a whole night that he spent somewhere...and we don't know where that was.

We know he was in contact with his mother by her own admissions.

I think this is a relative of Anita's in Santiago, Chile.  I connected her and other relatives to Anita through facebook a while back.  I wish I had my research more organized, but there is so much of it...

http://www.facebook.com/celestedenboer

There are also other Aruban friends of the Van der Sloot's that have connections in the area in Chile that Joran seemed to be trying to get to...so I think there are a lot of possibilities; that we may never know the whole truth about.

This map was in his backpack when he was arrested:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06062010_Santiago.jpg)


This post shows more of the family relations, it's the one I could find quickly...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.msg1330375#msg1330375


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 15, 2012, 12:11:25 AM
I don't get the part about bail and why Mary Hamer paid the lawyer the money for bail and why an apartment was rented in Joran's name. it all makes no sense. Unless he was going to plead not guily thinking he would be released until trial. Or she was spun that tale.
Mary must be an easlily hooped person with too much spare change around.
Was she in Peru during the trial ?
Why would she pick him to rehabilitate ?  Plenty of persons in her own backyard who could have used the help, like parents who have sick kids or geeze, cat shelters.
Ghandi and Joran in the same sentence, crazy-axxed thinking, she must have some other agenda to do with her healing powers.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 15, 2012, 12:19:37 AM
The information about the 58 years was from Cole Thompson and Lisa Pulitzer's website about the book they co-authored.

http://pulitzerandthompson.com/will-joran-van-der-sloot-return-to-us-to-face-trial/



But...58 years sounds good to me too!   ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you for the link!!


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2012, 12:25:28 AM
I don't get the part about bail and why Mary Hamer paid the lawyer the money for bail and why an apartment was rented in Joran's name. it all makes no sense. Unless he was going to plead not guily thinking he would be released until trial. Or she was spun that tale.
Mary must be an easlily hooped person with too much spare change around.
Was she in Peru during the trial ?
Why would she pick him to rehabilitate ?  Plenty of persons in her own backyard who could have used the help, like parents who have sick kids or geeze, cat shelters.
Ghandi and Joran in the same sentence, crazy-axxed thinking, she must have some other agenda to do with her healing powers.

Kat_Gram

I am somewhat confused too.

Could it be that Joran's attorney was anticipating his client's release from Peruvian lockup on the 18 month deadline at the beginning of December to serve the month prior to trial in an apartment?  Considering Joran is obviously a flight risk ... could it be that bail would of been required ... bail that Mary Hamer was willing to post?

Janet

++++

Original murder charge against van der Sloot will stand
November 22, 2011


<snipped>

Meanwhile, van der Sloot's lawyer said that he plans to file a motion with the court, requesting his client be set free.

As of early next month, van der Sloot will have spent 18 months in Peruvian prison. Jimenez will argue that under Peruvian law, it is considered excessive imprisonment when a person has been jailed for more than 18 months without having had his day in court.

"The delay is not his fault. We have been acting in good faith. He has been cooperating with the authorities. And they still don't have a translator," said Jimenez.

It will be up to the court to decide whether van der Sloot is freed. Because of the case's complexity, a judge could rule to keep him behind bars. Once Jimenez presents his habeas corpus motion, a panel of judges will meet to interview van der Sloot and make a determination.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/22/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2012, 12:31:49 AM
Published on : 11 January 2012 - 5:00pm
Guardian angel pulls out


The woman known as Joran van der Sloot's guardian angel, US radiologist Mary Hamer, has said she wants her money back. Hamer spent 75,000 dollars trying to get Van der Sloot released on bail, because she is convinced that he is innocent. With the chance of bail gone after Van der Sloot's murder confession, the American doctor has asked Joran van der Sloot, his mother and his lawyers for a full refund.

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/joran-van-der-sloot-pleads-guilty-flores-murder





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 15, 2012, 12:43:41 AM

All jmo...

I don't think all of his time on the run is accounted for; or where some of his belongings ended up.  I think there's a whole night that he spent somewhere...and we don't know where that was.

We know he was in contact with his mother by her own admissions.

I think this is a relative of Anita's in Santiago, Chile.  I connected her and other relatives to Anita through facebook a while back.  I wish I had my research more organized, but there is so much of it...

http://www.facebook.com/celestedenboer

There are also other Aruban friends of the Van der Sloot's that have connections in the area in Chile that Joran seemed to be trying to get to...so I think there are a lot of possibilities; that we may never know the whole truth about.

This map was in his backpack when he was arrested:

This post shows more of the family relations, it's the one I could find quickly...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.msg1330375#msg1330375

Thanks for the info. You're right, he had opportunity to pass it off to someone, stash it somewhere, even wire it to someone.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Something else I heard was that allegedly in his possessions were maps of the tides around Peru.  If that is true, that seems very telling to me.  Sounds like he might have been considering burying Stephanie at sea ala' shades of Natalee.  Only he didn't have any posse or Daddy to help him.  Any info on that?


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2012, 12:50:07 AM
Jan 13, 2012
Joran Van der Sloot gets 28 years for Peru killing


<snipped>

The victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the verdict that Van der Sloot was enjoying favorable conditions in a Lima prison, where he has been living apart from the general population and foreigners with money can buy superior treatment, the Associated Press reports.

"A jail isn't a 5-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Let's hope the authorities take that into account and not just in our case."

"Since the first day we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" that Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail. He said he would present evidence of this at a news conference on Monday.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-gets-xx-year-sentence-for-peru-killing/1?csp=34news


Kat_Gram

Could it be that a Peruvian panel of judges did comply with Joran's attorney habeas corpus motion and ... Joran was quietly released on bail and spent the month prior to the trial at a rented apartment?

Could this be the revelation that Ricardo Flores is about to release on Monday in regards to his investigation encompassing the privileges afforded Joran by the Peruvian prison system?

Could it be I should just go back into the living room and finish watching Kung Fu Panda II with hubby and the grandkids?

Good Night

Janet
9:45 PM PT

++++++


Original murder charge against van der Sloot will stand
November 22, 2011


<snipped>

It will be up to the court to decide whether van der Sloot is freed. Because of the case's complexity, a judge could rule to keep him behind bars. Once Jimenez presents his habeas corpus motion, a panel of judges will meet to interview van der Sloot and make a determination.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/22/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2012, 01:46:32 AM
Letter to aunt Joran Joran is angry with his aunt Mary Hammer. This he writes in a letter our team in Lima with his consent should have been allowed to see and photograph. From this letter, written on January 13, 2012, also shows that Joran would appeal against the ruling of the court. He was in Lima Friday to 28 years in prison convicted of the murder of Stephany Flores.

 Joran writes:

 "Mary,

 I want you to know that my satisfaction with Mr. Jimenez and his work. We will appeal against the ruling and it will be less. Plus, remember that in Peru only 1 / 3 of your sentence having to sit. You will always have a place in my heart, but what you doing to me now I do not understand. Why do you hurt me? In all that time that I know, I never expected of you. I asked Mr. Jimenez, the money you sent me is not to your return. He wanted to send it right back when you were asked. I want to share with you a statement: "Do not wait for the Last Judgement, it happens every day." You will always have a place in my heart, but what you did is not something I can handle. I love you, but I have so much pain that you can not imagine. Give me the time, until it is over. I am being punished because I had a phone, because you emails sent me to the press. I still can not believe it, but you got me worried more problems than you can imagine, and my fellow prisoners feel the situation. I am exhausted and am now trying to sleep. I hope everything is well with you and I wish you nothing but the best.

 Lovingly, Joran "

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/top-nieuws/2012/brief-joran-aan-suikertante/

Images of the letter at link. There is one line he has crossed out I am trying to figure out what was there. How does he know that Sugar Mary sent the emails to the press? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2012, 01:50:15 AM
Even better question, how did the Dutch media get the letter and "his consent should have been allowed to see and photograph".  I thought he was in an observation ward by himself until they evaluate where to put him?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2012, 02:13:31 AM
In the letter Urine wrote- I want to share with you a statement: "Do not wait for the Last Judgement, it happens every day."

The statement is actually a quote from the book called The Fall.

The Fall (French: La Chute) is a philosophical novel written by Albert Camus. First published in 1956, it is his last complete work of fiction. Set in Amsterdam, The Fall consists of a series of dramatic monologues by the self-proclaimed "judge-penitent" Jean-Baptiste Clamence, as he reflects upon his life to a stranger. In what amounts to a confession, Clamence tells of his success as a wealthy Parisian defense lawyer who was highly respected by his colleagues; his crisis, and his ultimate "fall" from grace, was meant to invoke, in secular terms, The Fall of Man in the Garden of Eden. The Fall explores themes of innocence, imprisonment, non-existence, and truth.

 ::snipping2::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fall_(Albert_Camus_novel)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 15, 2012, 02:36:26 AM
::snipping2::

 Joran writes:

 "Mary,

 ::snipping2:: I am being punished because I had a phone, because you emails sent me to the press. I still can not believe it, but you got me worried more problems than you can imagine, and my fellow prisoners feel the situation.  ::snipping2::


Oh, I like this.  He's caused problems for the other prisoners.  Translating to - he's no longer a golden boy in prison.  The other prisoners don't like him causing problems for them, even if at a different prison. Hmmm, he may be facing "bubba-hermano" and/or a shiv sooner than later.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2012, 02:55:55 AM
Dutchman sought by police in Thailand gets 28 years in jail in Peru

 ::snipping2::

During his stay in Bangkok in 2008, police, in addition suspecting Van Der Sloot of sex trafficking, also wanted to question him over the disappearance of several young Thai women.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.phuketgazette.net/archives/articles/2012/article12007.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 15, 2012, 03:35:07 AM
Dutchman sought by police in Thailand gets 28 years in jail in Peru

 ::snipping2::

During his stay in Bangkok in 2008, police, in addition suspecting Van Der Sloot of sex trafficking, also wanted to question him over the disappearance of several young Thai women.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.phuketgazette.net/archives/articles/2012/article12007.html

OMG - I just found this on the internet too!  I knew it!!  We ALL knew it!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 15, 2012, 03:42:45 AM
Dutchman sought by police in Thailand gets 28 years in jail in Peru

 ::snipping2::

During his stay in Bangkok in 2008, police, in addition suspecting Van Der Sloot of sex trafficking, also wanted to question him over the disappearance of several young Thai women.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.phuketgazette.net/archives/articles/2012/article12007.html

OMG - I just found this on the internet too!  I knew it!!  We ALL knew it!!


 ::MonkeyShocked::  We sure did wonder this all along!!!

Looks like the cows are coming home!   ::CowWave:: ::CowWave:: ::CowWave:: ::CowWave:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 15, 2012, 03:58:39 AM


Looks like the cows are coming home!   ::CowWave:: ::CowWave:: ::CowWave:: ::CowWave:: ::boxingjoran::



Anita and Aruba must be very proud of there international serial killer!

I hope he never sets foot out of another prison again except to shuffle into another.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 15, 2012, 04:02:07 AM
Letter to aunt Joran Joran is angry with his aunt Mary Hammer. This he writes in a letter our team in Lima with his consent should have been allowed to see and photograph. From this letter, written on January 13, 2012, also shows that Joran would appeal against the ruling of the court. He was in Lima Friday to 28 years in prison convicted of the murder of Stephany Flores.

 Joran writes:

 "Mary,

 I want you to know that my satisfaction with Mr. Jimenez and his work. We will appeal against the ruling and it will be less. Plus, remember that in Peru only 1 / 3 of your sentence having to sit. You will always have a place in my heart, but what you doing to me now I do not understand. Why do you hurt me? In all that time that I know, I never expected of you. I asked Mr. Jimenez, the money you sent me is not to your return. He wanted to send it right back when you were asked. I want to share with you a statement: "Do not wait for the Last Judgement, it happens every day." You will always have a place in my heart, but what you did is not something I can handle. I love you, but I have so much pain that you can not imagine. Give me the time, until it is over. I am being punished because I had a phone, because you emails sent me to the press. I still can not believe it, but you got me worried more problems than you can imagine, and my fellow prisoners feel the situation. I am exhausted and am now trying to sleep. I hope everything is well with you and I wish you nothing but the best.

 Lovingly, Joran "

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/top-nieuws/2012/brief-joran-aan-suikertante/

Images of the letter at link. There is one line he has crossed out I am trying to figure out what was there. How does he know that Sugar Mary sent the emails to the press? 

Thanks for that article, NorthernRose. Typical Joran!

All of his problems... always  the other person's fault. Nat had to die because she made him mad. Same thing with Stephany. He lied and extorted money from Beth... because she and Dave had been 'meanies' to him for 5 years. Now, Mary you can't have your money back because you've hurt Joran. (by paying for his cell phone & decking out his cell with loads of cool stuff none of the other prisoners have a prayer of getting)

That is his big brush off to her. She'll probably never be acknowledged by him again.

He's going to be defiant and appeal. (Just like Paulus always taught him to - and because those tactics always worked in Aruba)

...and he's already looking for loopholes like 1/3 of prison time.

Joran will never stop being Joran.

Good thing the FBI charged him with two distinct separate crimes.

1. Extortion = 20 years

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 95 > § 1951
Prev | Next
§ 1951. Interference with commerce by threats or violence

2. Bank fraud = 30 years

§ 1344. Bank fraud

-----
http://media.al.com/bn/other/Affidavit%20in%20U.S.%20government%20extortion%20case%20against%20Joran%20van%20der%20Sloot.pdf
-----

I think he will come to the US... and I think he will have a lot more years added. The days of being terrorized by 'Joran the Pud'

are OVER. ...AND DANG IT MARY, if you would stop sending him your 401K, perhaps he would be stuck writing his notes with a crayon?

 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 15, 2012, 04:16:20 AM
So, she sent the money right to Joran. Think she will see five cents ? Probably used it for drugs and ppker in jail and gave some to his lawyer for an Appeal. 
I too have to maybe go study Max and Ruby or Beauty and the Beast.
.............
So the other prisoners got wind of the windfall and want a cut ? And he gets to sleep with one eye open ? She gives him the money and she caused the problem.

Hey Mary, adopt me. I am an orphan and all of my aunties and uncles have passed. Almost eveyone is gone. And I would ne nice and appreciate you.   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 15, 2012, 04:21:49 AM
Carpe, you are a scream and very entertaining.  I have insomnia tonite. All quiet here, except for me laffing.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 15, 2012, 04:27:27 AM

Anita and Aruba must be very proud of there international serial killer!


Aruba really screwed their own pooch when they chose to protect this fledgling international serial killer. It will be interesting to see how they spin this one!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 15, 2012, 05:12:50 AM

That is his big brush off to her. She'll probably never be acknowledged by him again.


I wonder if she will still believe her "Buddha/Gandhi" is worth saving once she finds out about Thailand.  She ought to be glad he's locked up, and didn't get a chance to kill her too!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 15, 2012, 05:45:58 AM
Letter to aunt Joran Joran is angry with his aunt Mary Hammer. This he writes in a letter our team in Lima with his consent should have been allowed to see and photograph. From this letter, written on January 13, 2012, also shows that Joran would appeal against the ruling of the court. He was in Lima Friday to 28 years in prison convicted of the murder of Stephany Flores.

 Joran writes:

 "Mary,

 I want you to know that my satisfaction with Mr. Jimenez and his work. We will appeal against the ruling and it will be less. Plus, remember that in Peru only 1 / 3 of your sentence having to sit. You will always have a place in my heart, but what you doing to me now I do not understand. Why do you hurt me? In all that time that I know, I never expected of you. I asked Mr. Jimenez, the money you sent me is not to your return. He wanted to send it right back when you were asked. I want to share with you a statement: "Do not wait for the Last Judgement, it happens every day." You will always have a place in my heart, but what you did is not something I can handle. I love you, but I have so much pain that you can not imagine. Give me the time, until it is over. I am being punished because I had a phone, because you emails sent me to the press. I still can not believe it, but you got me worried more problems than you can imagine, and my fellow prisoners feel the situation. I am exhausted and am now trying to sleep. I hope everything is well with you and I wish you nothing but the best.

 Lovingly, Joran "

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/top-nieuws/2012/brief-joran-aan-suikertante/

Images of the letter at link. There is one line he has crossed out I am trying to figure out what was there. How does he know that Sugar Mary sent the emails to the press? 

Thanks for that article, NorthernRose. Typical Joran!

All of his problems... always  the other person's fault. Nat had to die because she made him mad. Same thing with Stephany. He lied and extorted money from Beth... because she and Dave had been 'meanies' to him for 5 years. Now, Mary you can't have your money back because you've hurt Joran. (by paying for his cell phone & decking out his cell with loads of cool stuff none of the other prisoners have a prayer of getting)

That is his big brush off to her. She'll probably never be acknowledged by him again.

He's going to be defiant and appeal. (Just like Paulus always taught him to - and because those tactics always worked in Aruba)

...and he's already looking for loopholes like 1/3 of prison time.

Joran will never stop being Joran.

Good thing the FBI charged him with two distinct separate crimes.

1. Extortion = 20 years

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 95 > § 1951
Prev | Next
§ 1951. Interference with commerce by threats or violence

2. Bank fraud = 30 years

§ 1344. Bank fraud

-----
http://media.al.com/bn/other/Affidavit%20in%20U.S.%20government%20extortion%20case%20against%20Joran%20van%20der%20Sloot.pdf
-----

I think he will come to the US... and I think he will have a lot more years added. The days of being terrorized by 'Joran the Pud'

are OVER. ...AND DANG IT MARY, if you would stop sending him your 401K, perhaps he would be stuck writing his notes with a crayon?

 ::monkeywine2::

Technically, Mary is another victim of Joran the Pud.

She defended him publically, visited him numerous times, supported him emotionally and fianancially.

To the world, she looked like a fool.

Now, she's out $74,000.00 and wants it back.

I wonder what finally sunk in for her to realize what she was doing was a waste of time and effort?

I'm amazed she was that intelligent to have had that much money to put up for him, and stoopid enough to squander it away on him.

Oh well.  Live and Learn, I guess.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 15, 2012, 06:55:53 AM
new calling cards for Aruba's new claim to fame

(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/onehappyisland.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 15, 2012, 07:18:11 AM
Notification of a Defense Fund for Joran in 2006

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Natalee%20Holloway%20-Aruba%20---%20Stephany%20Flores%20-Peru/jorantacopinadefensefund.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 15, 2012, 07:21:49 AM
More from Thailand

Thai police investigating jailed Dutchman
Associated Content

Law enforcement officials in Thailand have been investigating 22-year-old Dutch national Joran Van Der Sloot’s connection with sex trafficking and the possible disappearance of several young Thai women in 2008.

According to Thai police sources, several young women went missing while Van Der Sloot resided in Bangkok in 2008. The police are investigating to see if he may have been involved.
There is no indication as yet whether any of the trafficked women were from Phuket.

Van Der Sloot is currently in a Peruvian prison after being arrested last month on suspicion of murdering 21-year-old Stepahnie Flores Ramirez in May.

He had set up shop in Bangkok after Aruban authorities failed to charge him in the disappearance of 18-year-old Alabama high school student Natalee Holloway.

Although arrested twice, Van Der Sloot was released both times due to lack of evidence.

http://www.phuketgazette.net/archives/articles/2010/article8942.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on January 15, 2012, 08:43:04 AM
Just my opinion, the crosses out part of the Joran letter says: I will make sure you get it (back asap?).
The first part seems readable, I will make sure you get it
the "back asap" part is what I see. Others might see something different.
Makes since why he would cross that part off, he isnt returning money to anyone


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 15, 2012, 11:35:31 AM
Even better question, how did the Dutch media get the letter and "his consent should have been allowed to see and photograph".  I thought he was in an observation ward by himself until they evaluate where to put him?

This might answer your question, Northern Rose.

Google translation

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlboulevard/crime/articleview/)/components/actueel/rtlboulevard/2012/01_januari/crime/joran_boze_brief_suikertante.xml

 ::snipping2::  The letter was photographed with his permission by Heart of the Netherlands, in Lima when the team was to report on his trial. The Dutchman was on Friday sentenced to 28 years imprisonment for the murder of Peruvian millionaire daughter Stephany Flores.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 12:58:05 PM
Letter to aunt Joran Joran is angry with his aunt Mary Hammer. This he writes in a letter our team in Lima with his consent should have been allowed to see and photograph. From this letter, written on January 13, 2012, also shows that Joran would appeal against the ruling of the court. He was in Lima Friday to 28 years in prison convicted of the murder of Stephany Flores.

 Joran writes:

 "Mary,

 I want you to know that my satisfaction with Mr. Jimenez and his work. We will appeal against the ruling and it will be less. Plus, remember that in Peru only 1 / 3 of your sentence having to sit. You will always have a place in my heart, but what you doing to me now I do not understand. Why do you hurt me? In all that time that I know, I never expected of you. I asked Mr. Jimenez, the money you sent me is not to your return. He wanted to send it right back when you were asked. I want to share with you a statement: "Do not wait for the Last Judgement, it happens every day." You will always have a place in my heart, but what you did is not something I can handle. I love you, but I have so much pain that you can not imagine. Give me the time, until it is over. I am being punished because I had a phone, because you emails sent me to the press. I still can not believe it, but you got me worried more problems than you can imagine, and my fellow prisoners feel the situation. I am exhausted and am now trying to sleep. I hope everything is well with you and I wish you nothing but the best.

 Lovingly, Joran "

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/top-nieuws/2012/brief-joran-aan-suikertante/

Images of the letter at link. There is one line he has crossed out I am trying to figure out what was there. How does he know that Sugar Mary sent the emails to the press? 

I've been looking at the line he crossed out and I think it says:

"I will make sure you get it back, asap."

Guessing on the "asap", I can only really see the "p".

She'd better not count on it.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

jmo



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: cecilita on January 15, 2012, 01:00:56 PM
Good Morning Monkeys,
I think that this crazy woman and Mr. Jimenez were trying to buy the judges but it didn't happen. Joran expenses don't justify the 74,000 dollars. I bet they tried to buy the judges before his sentence but it didn't work out!! i noticed that bc the judges were women. In Peru women are considered not easy to be corrupted. Now she is claiming that she didn't expected that sentence? why was she expecting? what was she told? that the judges will be paid for a reduced sentence? more emails to come ..lets wait ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 01:04:27 PM
Just my opinion, the crosses out part of the Joran letter says: I will make sure you get it (back asap?).
The first part seems readable, I will make sure you get it
the "back asap" part is what I see. Others might see something different.
Makes since why he would cross that part off, he isnt returning money to anyone

I actually did look to see if anyone had responded before I just posted what I think it says, and I didn't see your post until AFTER I'd posted.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: :2redman:

I can see the first part of the sentence better, so I think we're right about what it says.

 ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 15, 2012, 01:07:13 PM
Letter to aunt Joran Joran is angry with his aunt Mary Hammer. This he writes in a letter our team in Lima with his consent should have been allowed to see and photograph. From this letter, written on January 13, 2012, also shows that Joran would appeal against the ruling of the court. He was in Lima Friday to 28 years in prison convicted of the murder of Stephany Flores.

 Joran writes:

 "Mary,

 I want you to know that my satisfaction with Mr. Jimenez and his work. We will appeal against the ruling and it will be less. Plus, remember that in Peru only 1 / 3 of your sentence having to sit. You will always have a place in my heart, but what you doing to me now I do not understand. Why do you hurt me? In all that time that I know, I never expected of you. I asked Mr. Jimenez, the money you sent me is not to your return. He wanted to send it right back when you were asked. I want to share with you a statement: "Do not wait for the Last Judgement, it happens every day." You will always have a place in my heart, but what you did is not something I can handle. I love you, but I have so much pain that you can not imagine. Give me the time, until it is over. I am being punished because I had a phone, because you emails sent me to the press. I still can not believe it, but you got me worried more problems than you can imagine, and my fellow prisoners feel the situation. I am exhausted and am now trying to sleep. I hope everything is well with you and I wish you nothing but the best.

 Lovingly, Joran "

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/top-nieuws/2012/brief-joran-aan-suikertante/

Images of the letter at link. There is one line he has crossed out I am trying to figure out what was there. How does he know that Sugar Mary sent the emails to the press? 

Ohhhhh, this is rich. To be as educated as Mary is, you'd think she would have run across this old fable:

A young girl was trudging along a mountain path, trying to reach her grandmother's house.
It was bitter cold, and the wind cut like a knife.
When she was within sight of her destination, she heard a rustle at her feet.

Looking down, she saw a snake.
Before she could move, the snake spoke to her.
He said, "I am about to die.
It is too cold for me up here, and I am freezing.
There is no food in these mountains, and I am starving.
Please put me under your coat and take me with you."

"No," replied the girl. "I know your kind. You are a rattlesnake.
If I pick you up, you will bite me, and your bite is poisonous."

"No, no," said the snake. "If you help me, you will be my best friend.
I will treat you differently."

The little girl sat down on a rock for a moment to rest and think things over.
She looked at the beautiful markings on the snake and had to admit that it was the most beautiful snake she had ever seen.

Suddenly, she said, "I believe you. I will save you.
All living things deserve to be treated with kindness."

The little girl reached over, put the snake gently under her coat and proceeded toward her grandmother's house.

Within a moment, she felt a sharp pain in her side.
The snake had bitten her.

"How could you do this to me?" she cried.
"You promised that you would not bite me, and I trusted you!"

"You knew what I was when you picked me up," hissed the snake as he slithered away.


Yep, Mary. That would be Joran's tail you're viewing as he slithers away. I don't see her as a victim. She would have provided an avenue to let Joran hurt someone else if she could have. I put her in a similar category as Anita and Paulus. They have all been enablers, no matter what the motives were.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2012, 01:11:20 PM
 ::snipping2::

Joran was Friday sentenced to 28 years in prison and wrote the letter that same day. Because the woman emails leaked to the press was best known in his cell that Dutchman enjoyed special privileges. Partly as a result he was transferred to a tougher prison, much to the annoyance of Van der Sloot.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3122261/2012/01/15/Joran-schrijft-beschermengel-Mary-Hamer-boze-brief.dhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 01:11:28 PM
Good Morning Monkeys,
I think that this crazy woman and Mr. Jimenez were trying to buy the judges but it didn't happen. Joran expenses don't justify the 74,000 dollars. I bet they tried to buy the judges before his sentence but it didn't work out!! i noticed that bc the judges were women. In Peru women are considered not easy to be corrupted. Now she is claiming that she didn't expected that sentence? why was she expecting? what was she told? that the judges will be paid for a reduced sentence? more emails to come ..lets wait ::MonkeyShocked::

Good morning cecilita,

It's interesting (or maybe ironic) to me that the amount of money that Mary gave them is the amount of the civil damages Joran will have to pay the Flores family.

Do any of your friends or family in Peru have any idea if Joran had been released before the trial how much bail might have been?  You know after the eighteen months passed, they were going to try to get him out of jail until the trial.  My understanding is that he would have been required to stay there in Peru, so maybe that's why he had the apartment?  I'm just wondering if it was fair to assume that bail may have been that same amount?

Thanks in advance!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2012, 01:13:34 PM
Just my opinion, the crosses out part of the Joran letter says: I will make sure you get it (back asap?).
The first part seems readable, I will make sure you get it
the "back asap" part is what I see. Others might see something different.
Makes since why he would cross that part off, he isnt returning money to anyone

I actually did look to see if anyone had responded before I just posted what I think it says, and I didn't see your post until AFTER I'd posted.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: :2redman:

I can see the first part of the sentence better, so I think we're right about what it says.

 ::MonkeyCool::



Thank you all!  I was disappointed he did not close the letter with "Come Across"


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: wreck on January 15, 2012, 01:22:49 PM
Hi everyone!! I've been here -- just reading mostly. I guess it all now boils down to how we can extract where Natalee is from Joran before he is "offed" in Peru. I'm afraid that window is rapidly closing.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2012, 01:26:38 PM
Beyond luxury for Joran
 Joran van der Sloot after his conviction has not said a word. Also he would hardly eat. He was transferred to a strict prison, without privacy and luxury.
 
 ::snipping2::

 He was immediately transferred to the much stricter, Piedras Gordas prison. As in the past with the luxury. It is 24 hours a day being watched by two guards. For safety, he still has his own cell, but it is small. He can occasionally airing on a patio of three by four meters. Four times a week he may receive immediate family, with whom he is separated by glass.

 Not eaten and spoken
 Joran allowed four hours a day on the patio stays, along with other prisoners. He will be well protected because it is feared that other inmates do to him something. According to the Dutch news Trome killer has not spoken since he arrived Friday. He would also take no food.

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2012/01_januari/15/binnenland/joran-eet-niet-praat-niet-luxe-voorbij.xml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 01:28:31 PM
Letter to aunt Joran Joran is angry with his aunt Mary Hammer. This he writes in a letter our team in Lima with his consent should have been allowed to see and photograph. From this letter, written on January 13, 2012, also shows that Joran would appeal against the ruling of the court. He was in Lima Friday to 28 years in prison convicted of the murder of Stephany Flores.

 Joran writes:

 "Mary,

 I want you to know that my satisfaction with Mr. Jimenez and his work. We will appeal against the ruling and it will be less. Plus, remember that in Peru only 1 / 3 of your sentence having to sit. You will always have a place in my heart, but what you doing to me now I do not understand. Why do you hurt me? In all that time that I know, I never expected of you. I asked Mr. Jimenez, the money you sent me is not to your return. He wanted to send it right back when you were asked. I want to share with you a statement: "Do not wait for the Last Judgement, it happens every day." You will always have a place in my heart, but what you did is not something I can handle. I love you, but I have so much pain that you can not imagine. Give me the time, until it is over. I am being punished because I had a phone, because you emails sent me to the press. I still can not believe it, but you got me worried more problems than you can imagine, and my fellow prisoners feel the situation. I am exhausted and am now trying to sleep. I hope everything is well with you and I wish you nothing but the best.

 Lovingly, Joran "

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/top-nieuws/2012/brief-joran-aan-suikertante/

Images of the letter at link. There is one line he has crossed out I am trying to figure out what was there. How does he know that Sugar Mary sent the emails to the press? 

Ohhhhh, this is rich. To be as educated as Mary is, you'd think she would have run across this old fable:

A young girl was trudging along a mountain path, trying to reach her grandmother's house.
It was bitter cold, and the wind cut like a knife.
When she was within sight of her destination, she heard a rustle at her feet.

Looking down, she saw a snake.
Before she could move, the snake spoke to her.
He said, "I am about to die.
It is too cold for me up here, and I am freezing.
There is no food in these mountains, and I am starving.
Please put me under your coat and take me with you."

"No," replied the girl. "I know your kind. You are a rattlesnake.
If I pick you up, you will bite me, and your bite is poisonous."

"No, no," said the snake. "If you help me, you will be my best friend.
I will treat you differently."

The little girl sat down on a rock for a moment to rest and think things over.
She looked at the beautiful markings on the snake and had to admit that it was the most beautiful snake she had ever seen.

Suddenly, she said, "I believe you. I will save you.
All living things deserve to be treated with kindness."

The little girl reached over, put the snake gently under her coat and proceeded toward her grandmother's house.

Within a moment, she felt a sharp pain in her side.
The snake had bitten her.

"How could you do this to me?" she cried.
"You promised that you would not bite me, and I trusted you!"

"You knew what I was when you picked me up," hissed the snake as he slithered away.


Yep, Mary. That would be Joran's tail you're viewing as he slithers away. I don't see her as a victim. She would have provided an avenue to let Joran hurt someone else if she could have. I put her in a similar category as Anita and Paulus. They have all been enablers, no matter what the motives were.

 ::MonkeyDance::

Hear, hear!

ABSOLUTELY, CBB!

Perfect.  I have no sympathy for her, she had no compassion for Natalee, Stephany, or their families regardless of what she says.  And as you have stated, if she'd had her way there may have been other victims...more than likely HER being one of them IMO.

If you didn't see Anderson Cooper's show with her on it, he told her how the cookie crumbles.

I just saw some short clips, but he told her off imo.  I loved it!   ::rhino::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 01:29:35 PM
Just my opinion, the crosses out part of the Joran letter says: I will make sure you get it (back asap?).
The first part seems readable, I will make sure you get it
the "back asap" part is what I see. Others might see something different.
Makes since why he would cross that part off, he isnt returning money to anyone

I actually did look to see if anyone had responded before I just posted what I think it says, and I didn't see your post until AFTER I'd posted.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: :2redman:

I can see the first part of the sentence better, so I think we're right about what it says.

 ::MonkeyCool::



Thank you all!  I was disappointed he did not close the letter with "Come Across"

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 01:41:00 PM
Hi everyone!! I've been here -- just reading mostly. I guess it all now boils down to how we can extract where Natalee is from Joran before he is "offed" in Peru. I'm afraid that window is rapidly closing.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

As always, Joran's not going to give anything that doesn't result in a major benefit for him.

I think our best bet for any information will be when he faces the charges in the U. S.  He took the money, but didn't give the information.  Now the information could save him from a significant amount of additional years possibly being tacked on to the 28 he's already facing in prison. 

The only thing that worries me about that is that he has seemingly been so comfortable in prison! 

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 15, 2012, 01:46:21 PM
Even tho he isn't speaking, he still has his iPhone.
Wonder what kind of apps he has. He could be playing on line poker with Mary's money in there. As Simon Ewing.
I don't understand why any of his old friends are still in contact with him, would you ?
He would be blocked.
..
If you google Mary Hamer, you will see that she comments for a site based in India and cared very much for life in all of its forms, not just human. Why she glommed onto to Joran as being the messenger for world peace or whatever she had in her mind, is enough in my books for her to be Baker Acted. Yet, she is a radiologist. Granted, the education was obtained when younger and as a SWM she can do what she wants with it.     


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: cecilita on January 15, 2012, 01:47:41 PM
Texasmom, It is very well known that some ex politicians are in jail now, were caught in cameras leaving prison and taking taxis to go to do their business. I don't believe that joran was allow to do that for his own safety. I think the lawyer bought the apartment to have some income with the rent. I am 99% sure that the lawyer tried to buy the judges but it didn't workout...then he bought the apartment. The location of the property is a ok area, i better say I don't like it ::MonkeyShocked:: for that location nobody will pay $1500 per month. My dad has a house 900 square meters in one of the nicest area in Lima and he lease the property to a private company and they pay my dad around $2000 a month. The lawyer may BS joran for him to sign the documents and we know that at the end the monster will not be able to pay the lawyer and he will take joran's property hahahhahah. I hope that the letter of the crazy woman will help to alabama to probe that this boy is a scam also


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: cecilita on January 15, 2012, 01:53:32 PM
Texasmom, It is very well known that some ex politicians are in jail now, were caught in cameras leaving prison and taking taxis to go to do their business. I don't believe that joran was allow to do that for his own safety. I think the lawyer bought the apartment to have some income with the rent. I am 99% sure that the lawyer tried to buy the judges but it didn't workout...then he bought the apartment. The location of the property is a ok area, i better say I don't like it ::MonkeyShocked:: for that location nobody will pay $1500 per month. My dad has a house 900 square meters in one of the nicest area in Lima and he lease the property to a private company and they pay my dad around $2000 a month. The lawyer may BS joran for him to sign the documents and we know that at the end the monster will not be able to pay the lawyer and he will take joran's property hahahhahah. I hope that the letter of the crazy woman will help to alabama to probe that this boy is a scam also
I forgot to say that the real estate in Peru is very expensive way too expensive...an old small house and ugly can cost between 150,000 to 300,000 dollars, With that money he probably got something really ugly or a very small apartment. and the rent at that location can't exceed more than 600 dollars/month for a ok house.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 15, 2012, 01:58:48 PM
Texasmom and everyone, here is the clip of Mary on the Anderson Cooper's show.


Select the videio "Anderson takes Mary to Task..."   ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.andersoncooper.com/videos/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 15, 2012, 02:05:48 PM
Joran in the same courtyard as 'Cholo Payet'
 Dutch murderer is in the observation area and is guarded 24 hours a day for two agents.

Joran van der Sloot is now a prisoner in the prison Ancon 1 (formerly "fat Stones"). The confessed murderer of Stephany Flores was placed in the observation area of the prison or Meditation. They shared courtyard with the famous Jorge Chávez Montoya, "Polish" and José Roque Alejos, "Payet Cholo."

 According to prison sources, the Dutchman remains guarded 24 hours a day by two security officers and can only move in a courtyard of 3 × 4 square meters.

 "He came last Friday, at 8:00 pm. It has a room for him, but shares a patio, do not talk to anyone and avoid eating things that give "the source told.

 Joran will stay in this area until the prison board and transfer it to classify a pavilion and also specify the special scheme to be submitted. This will depend on the degree of danger and crime.

 It also emerged that it is more likely that the Dutch to stay in the observation area to avoid any conflicts with other inmates.

 Under the rules, Joran should be subjected to the regime, ie, have only four hours in the yard, four visits a week, only immediate family and through call centers.

 REQUISITION

 Meanwhile, yesterday morning made ​​a surprise one requisition in the maximum security prison.

 Inpe agents found in the possession of David Sánchez-Manrique Pancorvo, "Crazy David", iPhone, and colleagues at the venusterio had two phones with which they communicated with the outside. These devices were seized.

http://trome.pe/actualidad/1361232/noticia-joran-mismo-patio-quecholo-payet

Looks like the prison is on a cell phone hunt.  Wonder if that was due to Urine and Sugar Mary?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 02:30:41 PM
Texasmom, It is very well known that some ex politicians are in jail now, were caught in cameras leaving prison and taking taxis to go to do their business. I don't believe that joran was allow to do that for his own safety. I think the lawyer bought the apartment to have some income with the rent. I am 99% sure that the lawyer tried to buy the judges but it didn't workout...then he bought the apartment. The location of the property is a ok area, i better say I don't like it ::MonkeyShocked:: for that location nobody will pay $1500 per month. My dad has a house 900 square meters in one of the nicest area in Lima and he lease the property to a private company and they pay my dad around $2000 a month. The lawyer may BS joran for him to sign the documents and we know that at the end the monster will not be able to pay the lawyer and he will take joran's property hahahhahah. I hope that the letter of the crazy woman will help to alabama to probe that this boy is a scam also
I forgot to say that the real estate in Peru is very expensive way too expensive...an old small house and ugly can cost between 150,000 to 300,000 dollars, With that money he probably got something really ugly or a very small apartment. and the rent at that location can't exceed more than 600 dollars/month for a ok house.

Thanks for the information cecilita!   ::MonkeyCool::

Trying to buy off the judges in this case, with the obvious affluence of the victim's family would almost seem ridiculous, or it would seem it would have taken a lot more money than that at least!  And it also seems that the Flores family is as well respected as they are affluent, so it would have surely been found out eventually...

But then if you think about that decision to not go for the higher charges that would have made the life sentence possible (the charges that the Flores family wanted Joran charged with), I don't recall now who made that call.  Was it another group of judges?  I think if the case had gone to trial with all of the evidence presented, it would have qualified for the higher charge and sentence; but that's just my opinion.  Is it possible that there was interference in this process?

 ::MonkeyQuestion::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 02:31:54 PM
Texasmom and everyone, here is the clip of Mary on the Anderson Cooper's show.


Select the videio "Anderson takes Mary to Task..."   ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.andersoncooper.com/videos/



Thanks grace-land!  I had just gone back and watched it again.   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on January 15, 2012, 02:37:27 PM
Texasmom, I'm glad you posted what you read under the crossed out part of Joran's letter. Helps knowing what others see as well.

Boy, Idiot boy sure picked the wrong girls. Beth was/is a pitbull who will never stop trying to find Natalee. Stephanie's family has influence. Just look how fast he got moved to another prison after the mention of a press conference. It does how ever make me wonder if there are other victims who families were not there to fight so hard.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: wreck on January 15, 2012, 02:41:57 PM
So....... what's the opinion here? Will the U.S. get Joran extradited immediately for trial -- or will he have to serve his sentence in Peru completely first?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: cadillac on January 15, 2012, 02:42:01 PM
Hi everyone!! I've been here -- just reading mostly. I guess it all now boils down to how we can extract where Natalee is from Joran before he is "offed" in Peru. I'm afraid that window is rapidly closing.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
Two opinions of mine:

First, I don't think Joran knows what happened to Natalee's remains. I think Papa Sloot took that to the grave with him.  If that was her in the trap in the bottom of the ocean, then some Aruban authorities have the answer as well.

Second, I personally think that the timing of Natalee being declared legally dead in Birmingham has a lot to do with how and when he will be brought back to Alabama for that trial. Before she was missing and now she is dead - legally- wouldn't that allow for a murder trial?

My opinions only.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: wreck on January 15, 2012, 02:45:51 PM
Hi everyone!! I've been here -- just reading mostly. I guess it all now boils down to how we can extract where Natalee is from Joran before he is "offed" in Peru. I'm afraid that window is rapidly closing.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
Two opinions of mine:

First, I don't think Joran knows what happened to Natalee's remains. I think Papa Sloot took that to the grave with him.  If that was her in the trap in the bottom of the ocean, then some Aruban authorities have the answer as well.

Second, I personally think that the timing of Natalee being declared legally dead in Birmingham has a lot to do with how and when he will be brought back to Alabama for that trial. Before she was missing and now she is dead - legally- wouldn't that allow for a murder trial?

My opinions only.
I think both are quite possible as well!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 15, 2012, 02:49:11 PM
I wonder if Joran was warned not to eat the food b/cit could be poisoned.  When googling Cholo Payet, it seems one of his alleged crime partners was afraid to eat the prison food for fear of being poisoned. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 02:58:56 PM
Texasmom, I'm glad you posted what you read under the crossed out part of Joran's letter. Helps knowing what others see as well.

Boy, Idiot boy sure picked the wrong girls. Beth was/is a pitbull who will never stop trying to find Natalee. Stephanie's family has influence. Just look how fast he got moved to another prison after the mention of a press conference. It does how ever make me wonder if there are other victims who families were not there to fight so hard.

ITA Roxibalboa.  Think about it, Aruba...where even there own "missing" don't seem to matter at all so how many girls supposedly "ran away" never to be seen or heard from again; or if they survived never said anything because they knew he would never be held accountable...but they and their family would be ruined in the process!  Thailand...where Joran lived for what about TWO YEARS and they supposedly wanted to question him about some missing Thai girls...but never had the opportunity?  jmo

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on January 15, 2012, 03:02:45 PM
Sorry if this has already been posted. It's more talk after the Anderson show. Mary talks about Joran telling her about being spit on in prison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQa2FjhUCuw


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 03:11:13 PM
So....... what's the opinion here? Will the U.S. get Joran extradited immediately for trial -- or will he have to serve his sentence in Peru completely first?

Hopefully they're working on that now.   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 15, 2012, 03:12:41 PM
Mary might not get her money back--a strategy by Joran or a misunderstanding by her?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-15-benefactora-de-van-der-sloot-pide-devolucion-de-su-dinero-noticia_441028.html

Google translation

Van der Sloot benefactor refund requests
Sunday, January 15, 2012 | 24:48

Maria Hammer said that having been sentenced to prison, the Dutch did not have to pay a deposit, which is a legal guarantee for free but processed in Peru is not covered.

U.S. citizen Maria Hammer, benefactor of Joran Van der Sloot, asked to be reimbursed the $ 74,000 he donated to the 'bond' of the now convicted for the murder of Stephany Flores.

Hammer said that having been sentenced to prison, Van der Sloot will not pay a deposit, which is a legal guarantee for free but processed in Peru is not covered.

Jose Luis Jimenez's lawyer says Hammer donated the money and gave the Dutch freedom to use as it sees fit.

In a letter to Hammer, released by Panamericana TV, Joran Van der Sloot highlights the performance of his attorney, and regrets that she asks for the return of that money.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 15, 2012, 03:14:17 PM

Second, I personally think that the timing of Natalee being declared legally dead in Birmingham has a lot to do with how and when he will be brought back to Alabama for that trial. Before she was missing and now she is dead - legally- wouldn't that allow for a murder trial?

My opinions only.

I think there have been some behind the scenes manuevering that the public has not been privy to.

Under the Passive Personality Principle of International Law, if harm to or a murder of a US citizen occurs on foreign soil, then the suspect can be tried in the USA.  Now that NAH is legally declared dead, it's possible that a circumstantial murder charge could be filed.

According to key players and some sources that are much more in the know than I, much more will be coming down the pike and soon.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 15, 2012, 03:26:54 PM
Here's my original post on the Passive Personality Principle from 1/14/2012

The Passive Personality Principle of International Law

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-sentencing_n_1204663.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl2|sec3_lnk3%26pLid%3D127582

Joran Van Der Sloot Sentencing: Dutchman Slapped With 28 Years For Murder Of Stephany Flores

  ::snipping2::

Earlier this week, Michael Griffith, senior partner at the International Legal Defense Counsel, told The Huffington Post that regardless of what van der Sloot was sentenced to in Peru, he would eventually be extradited to the U.S. for the alleged Holloway extortion plot and possibly her murder.

According to Griffith, the passive personality principle of international law allows a country to prosecute someone who has killed or injured an American citizen in a foreign country. In essence, jurisdiction is based on the nationality of the victim and not the location of the crime.

Griffith said that van der Sloot's alleged statements about Holloway, along with his previous confessions, are enough for U.S. authorities to bring a circumstantial murder case against him.

"There is no statute of limitations," Griffith said. "So even if he serves the max, he can still go on trial in the U.S."

Whether authorities in the U.S. will invoke the passive personality principle has yet to be decided.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: cecilita on January 15, 2012, 04:07:15 PM
I wonder if Joran was warned not to eat the food b/cit could be poisoned.  When googling Cholo Payet, it seems one of his alleged crime partners was afraid to eat the prison food for fear of being poisoned. 
Hi Jamcakes, the Peruvian food is one of the most delicious foods I have ever eat in my hole life, their cuisine is very well appreciated by the tourists, even the food is poisoned believe me they will eat it, once you tried their food, you will want to eat more::MonkeyGavel:: He will probably receive special food... I believe that now he has been sentenced, lets wait for one or two years to hear in the news that he is not any longer alive .....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Lifesong on January 15, 2012, 04:24:18 PM
Texasmom, I'm glad you posted what you read under the crossed out part of Joran's letter. Helps knowing what others see as well.

Boy, Idiot boy sure picked the wrong girls. Beth was/is a pitbull who will never stop trying to find Natalee. Stephanie's family has influence. Just look how fast he got moved to another prison after the mention of a press conference. It does how ever make me wonder if there are other victims who families were not there to fight so hard.

ITA Roxibalboa.  Think about it, Aruba...where even there own "missing" don't seem to matter at all so how many girls supposedly "ran away" never to be seen or heard from again; or if they survived never said anything because they knew he would never be held accountable...but they and their family would be ruined in the process!  Thailand...where Joran lived for what about TWO YEARS and they supposedly wanted to question him about some missing Thai girls...but never had the opportunity?  jmo

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::




It was an Anniversary Killing.

That means there are at least 6 including Natalee.

As Robots would say:  "Bet the farm."



JMO and only MO.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 04:26:08 PM
http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/41946-joran-van-der-sloot-condena-na-28-ana-di-prison.html

Whether or not it was really him...   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::snipping2::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01132012_24ora_comments.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 15, 2012, 04:38:26 PM
Frankly, I don't know how they could file muder charges in the USA as the evidence of the
" investigation" and all the rest of the paperwork is in Aruba and some possibly in NL. Unless there is something I am not comprehending. Or missed. Or as was suggested is going on behind the scenes. Last I read, Aruba still had the investigation open. I could see a civil suit if they can get him in the USA when and if they can get him to Alabama to serve him.
..
I just get tired of him and his schemes to make money from information or exclusive interviews regarding two murders. Never mind how much persons donated willingly to him.
What kind of life path is this that is rewarded by the strange world we live in.?
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 15, 2012, 04:38:44 PM
 ::snipping2::

This morning, the news broke in Peru’s local media that van der Sloot had access to a cellular phone and that he was in constant communication with his attorney and his benefactor: Dr. Mary Hamer, a radiologist from Florida. Hamer had made public her request to Peruvian president Ollanta Humala to release van der Sloot to her care, offering what she calls a “10-year Ghandi program” to rehabilitate him from his gambling and drug addictions.

Hamer traveled to Lima in December and was able to visit the prison on one occasion, but was turned away on the following days. She pays for van der Sloot’s legal fees and sends him money regularly, although today she sent an email to a handful of journalists in which she demanded that Jimenez reimburse the money she had put forward for what she calls “bail”—except van der Sloot was never given a bail option. She may be referring to the civil reparation fine, which matches the amount she wired. In all exchanges, van der Sloot used an email address in the name of Sidney Ewing. Hamer was unavailable for comment.

 ::snipping2::

Despite the long sentence, of which van der Sloot has already served two years, about a dozen Peruvians rallied outside the courthouse, shouting, “Let him rot! Life imprisonment!” One sign read: “JVDS if you had committed this crime in the U.S., you would have gotten the electric chair.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/13/van-der-sloot-gets-28-years-for-murder-in-peru.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 15, 2012, 04:51:34 PM
I wonder if Joran was warned not to eat the food b/cit could be poisoned.  When googling Cholo Payet, it seems one of his alleged crime partners was afraid to eat the prison food for fear of being poisoned. 
Hi Jamcakes, the Peruvian food is one of the most delicious foods I have ever eat in my hole life, their cuisine is very well appreciated by the tourists, even the food is poisoned believe me they will eat it, once you tried their food, you will want to eat more::MonkeyGavel:: He will probably receive special food... I believe that now he has been sentenced, lets wait for one or two years to hear in the news that he is not any longer alive .....

I was not implying anything against Peruvian food or even prison food not being nutritious, tasty or making one sick.

I was suggesting that a reason for Joran not eating was that he might believe that someone in prison could poison his particular food in order to kill him. Joran's new "room-mate's" co-conspirator believes the same thing about being killed in prison by poisoned food.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Ono on January 15, 2012, 05:04:00 PM
http://pulitzerandthompson.com/will-joran-van-der-sloot-return-to-us-to-face-trial/

Will Joran van der Sloot return to US to face trial?

Last night, before appearing on the Dr. Drew Show on HLN I had a chance to speak with John Q. Kelly, the attorney for the mother of Natalee Holloway.

Kelly, a no-nonsense and brilliant former Federal prosecutor, filled me in on a plan to return Joran to the US to face wire fraud and extortion charges related to the Dutchman’s alleged attempt to sell the location of Natalee’s body for $250,000.

According to Kelly a plan is already in the works to bring Van der Sloot to Alabama within the next several months. Kelly told me that after the US trial and hopeful conviction on charges carrying a sentence of thirty years, he would then be returned to Peruvian custody.

I have to admit the plan seemed a little hair-brained when I first heard of it, but then I thought of the William Trickett Smith case. Smith is an American accused of murdering his wife in Peru. The US sent Smith back to Peru after authorities here felt Peru had accumulated enough evidence for a conviction. After all our two countries do have extradition treaties.

It is Kelly’s hope that after a trial in Alabama, van der Sloot would be sent back to Peru to serve his entire sentence there. That’s fifty-eight years in prison folks.

Whether this plan will pan out remains to be seen. But it would explain the calm demeanor of Stephany’s father, Ricardo Flores, in court during Van der Sloot’s sentencing. Was he aware of a secret legal strategy that could have Joran in prison for the rest of his life?


Sounds like a plan to me!!!    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 15, 2012, 05:06:12 PM
Frankly, I don't know how they could file muder charges in the USA as the evidence of the
" investigation" and all the rest of the paperwork is in Aruba and some possibly in NL. Unless there is something I am not comprehending. Or missed. Or as was suggested is going on behind the scenes. Last I read, Aruba still had the investigation open. I could see a civil suit if they can get him in the USA when and if they can get him to Alabama to serve him.
..
I just get tired of him and his schemes to make money from information or exclusive interviews regarding two murders. Never mind how much persons donated willingly to him.
What kind of life path is this that is rewarded by the strange world we live in.?
 

In the article I posted about the Passive Personality Principle, an expert spoke on the possibility of a circumstantial murder case being constructed on Joran's own statements through the years and known facts.

They may not need the Aruban's case notes and, whatever evidence they manipulated, lost, destroyed or kept.

I remember hearing one of Natalee's loved ones (Jug I think) saying that the public would be surprised at all that they (NAH's loved ones) knew but couldn't say b/c of Aruban law regarding evidence admissability.  But since Aruba has done nothing, and the statute of limitations on the case is soon expiring in Aruba, this information could also be used in the construction of a circumstantial case in America.

They may not get a conviction on a circumstantial case, but in having to defend himself, some of the unanswered questions might be resolved.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Ono on January 15, 2012, 05:25:23 PM
Texasmom and everyone, here is the clip of Mary on the Anderson Cooper's show.


Select the videio "Anderson takes Mary to Task..."   ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.andersoncooper.com/videos/



Thanks for the link!   Mary is nuts.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on January 15, 2012, 05:28:14 PM
If this file is too large, mods please fix it for me, TY.

It's a collage of the prison, more or less. Hopefully he won't enjoy the priviledges he has become accostomed to at Castro Castro. We shall see.

(http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Natalee%20Holloway%20-Aruba%20---%20Stephany%20Flores%20-Peru/?action-view&current=Penal-de-Piedras-Gordas.jpg)

Link:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Natalee%20Holloway%20-Aruba%20---%20Stephany%20Flores%20-Peru/?action=view&current=Penal-de-Piedras-Gordas.jpg


Jamcakes, I am adding your fork pic to the archive, love it!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2012, 05:28:54 PM
Apparently Cole Thompson (Portrait of a Monster) is a member of Webslueth.

Janet

+++++

Yesterday, 04:54 PM 
Cole Thompson 
Registered User
 
While I'm online I might as well share the email forwarded to me by Joran's former attorney, Max Altez. The email was sent to Joran's current attorney, Jose Luis Jimenez, by his "Guardian Angel," Mary Hamer.

This is the same woman who has accused my co-author and I of "Humanicide." (Apparently our book made Joran sad and exacerbated his post traumatic stress syndrome.)

In the email, Hamer demands that she be paid back the cash she allegedly paid out for Joran's defense. I did the math and it is almost exactly the same amount Joran was ordered to pay in restitution to the Flores family. Coincidence? I'll let you decide.

Thanks again for welcoming me on board.

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:09:10 AM
Subject: Public Declaration of Default on Returning Bail Money.

Dear Attorney Jimenez,

*I asked you to return my $74,910. bail money by today January 12th, 2012 by 3 PM. I just checked my Bank of America account on January 13th at 12 AM & there is no bail money in my account. I will now make a public declaration that the bail money is in default.

Thank you. Respectfully, Mary Hamer

Source: WEBSLEUTHS


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Ono on January 15, 2012, 05:30:17 PM
So....... what's the opinion here? Will the U.S. get Joran extradited immediately for trial -- or will he have to serve his sentence in Peru completely first?

In my view---it will happen pretty quickly.  He'll be "Alabammy Bound!!" in no time.    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 15, 2012, 05:36:15 PM
"But since Aruba has done nothing, and the statute of limitations on the case is soon expiring in Aruba"Can't see Aruba turning over anything as that would expose the non investigation they did.
On this one, murder charges in the US, there are too many unknowns for me to hang on to any hope that it would happen, ever. A civil case, I think could fly and be won.
Too many international conventions between the USA, Aruba, Holland and now Peru for me to think that he could or would be held responsible for anything in the USA except the wire fraud.
The only thing that has kept this going is Beth and now Mr. Flores, both persons who
are not going to give up and who have the means and the respect and the visibility in their own countries to make something happen. Plus persons like JQK and Peter DeVries.   
I can't wait for Mr. Flores to have his press conference tomorrow.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: klaasend on January 15, 2012, 05:38:48 PM
If this file is too large, mods please fix it for me, TY.

It's a collage of the prison, more or less. Hopefully he won't enjoy the priviledges he has become accostomed to at Castro Castro. We shall see.

(http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Natalee%20Holloway%20-Aruba%20---%20Stephany%20Flores%20-Peru/?action-view&current=Penal-de-Piedras-Gordas.jpg)

Link:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Natalee%20Holloway%20-Aruba%20---%20Stephany%20Flores%20-Peru/?action=view&current=Penal-de-Piedras-Gordas.jpg


Jamcakes, I am adding your fork pic to the archive, love it!

Great prison pics Amanda - thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2012, 05:41:18 PM
To avoid an outside investigation ... somehow I do not believe that Aruba is ever going to officially close the Natalee Holloway case.  It will be classified as forever ongoing/open.

Janet

++++++


When the Case is Closed

Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005


<snipped>

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: Well, the way the system works down here, when the case is closed, we will have all that information, and we can release it to the world.

<snipped

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 12/2/2005 10:37:47 AM ET


ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: There's a lot that Americans can do through the State Department. I want to remind everybody that Natalee Holloway was a U.S. citizen. Once the Aruban authorities are done investigating this case, the FBI can still conduct an investigation, and they could extradite these suspects to the United States. Let me point out that there's a ton of circumstantial evidence in this case to convict these kids.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


DANA PRETZER
July 2, 2006 - Part 1
July 8, 2006 - Part 2


Art Wood:

The family of Natalee needs to put pressure on the US attorney in Birmingham to push the FBI to conduct an investigation after ALE close the case. We have a treaty that allows the FBI to pursue a violation of civil rights of an American citizen there.

s.t.



Could it be that Jug Twitty and Art Woods are referencing the The Passive Personality Principle of Internation Law ... an action that could be implemented by the United States if Aruba were to officially declare the Natalee Holloway case closed.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2012, 05:47:06 PM
Could it be that the reason The Passive Personality Principle of International has not be invoked in the Natalee Holloway case is the same reason that the Phil McGraw's defence attorneys are not being afforded case documentation in the defamation lawsuit?  The reason?  The Natalee Holloway case is not officially closed.

Janet

+++++


STILL SUSPECTS in Holloway case

(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8063/16490008.jpg)


s.t.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 15, 2012, 05:52:12 PM
"But since Aruba has done nothing, and the statute of limitations on the case is soon expiring in Aruba"Can't see Aruba turning over anything as that would expose the non investigation they did.
On this one, murder charges in the US, there are too many unknowns for me to hang on to any hope that it would happen, ever. A civil case, I think could fly and be won.
Too many international conventions between the USA, Aruba, Holland and now Peru for me to think that he could or would be held responsible for anything in the USA except the wire fraud.
The only thing that has kept this going is Beth and now Mr. Flores, both persons who
are not going to give up and who have the means and the respect and the visibility in their own countries to make something happen. Plus persons like JQK and Peter DeVries.   
I can't wait for Mr. Flores to have his press conference tomorrow.

I don't expect Aruba to turn anything over to the US either.  I was suggesting that if/when the case expires in Aruba, then the US could be free to use what info it has free of "spoiling" it for use in an Aruban trial.  The FBI supposedly has some evidence, like the examination of Skeeter's harddrive and whatever else was reportedly sent to the FBI.

A circumstantial murder case or a civil case or just the federal wire fraud/extortion case - any or all are fine by me. Hopefully, a conviction on any or all would result in more years for Joran to serve.

I also think that Dave Holloway has done whatever he could to find Natalee and the truth.

I look forward to the Flores press conference too.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 15, 2012, 06:03:05 PM

It was an Anniversary Killing.

That means there are at least 6 including Natalee.

As Robots would say:  "Bet the farm."



JMO and only MO.

I believe there are more murder victims of Joran out there.  I just never thought of it being an annual thing.
What if Natalee wasn't his first?   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 06:09:34 PM
 :smt049 Peter R. DeVries was on Pauw & Witteman last week. 

Interesting to watch imo even though it's in Dutch.   ::MonkeyCool:: 

Wish we knew what was said!

I could understand Peter say "control" when referring to Joran in the beginning...and Aruba and FBI mentioned several times.  At the end when something was asked about Beth, Peter repeated Beth's comment about wanting to peel the skin off his face.

There is also a clip of Peter with Beth talking about the extortion by Joran just after 13:00 in the video.

Peter R. de Vries in Pauw & Witteman 11-01-2012

http://youtu.be/e-AqZFKiDUY

Google translation:


Uploaded by penwtv on January 12, 2012

Here's a few screen shots from it.


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01112012_PRDV_01.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01112012_PRDV_03.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01112012_PRDV_05.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 15, 2012, 06:11:48 PM
http://pulitzerandthompson.com/will-joran-van-der-sloot-return-to-us-to-face-trial/

Will Joran van der Sloot return to US to face trial?

Last night, before appearing on the Dr. Drew Show on HLN I had a chance to speak with John Q. Kelly, the attorney for the mother of Natalee Holloway.

Kelly, a no-nonsense and brilliant former Federal prosecutor, filled me in on a plan to return Joran to the US to face wire fraud and extortion charges related to the Dutchman’s alleged attempt to sell the location of Natalee’s body for $250,000.

According to Kelly a plan is already in the works to bring Van der Sloot to Alabama within the next several months. Kelly told me that after the US trial and hopeful conviction on charges carrying a sentence of thirty years, he would then be returned to Peruvian custody.

I have to admit the plan seemed a little hair-brained when I first heard of it, but then I thought of the William Trickett Smith case. Smith is an American accused of murdering his wife in Peru. The US sent Smith back to Peru after authorities here felt Peru had accumulated enough evidence for a conviction. After all our two countries do have extradition treaties.

It is Kelly’s hope that after a trial in Alabama, van der Sloot would be sent back to Peru to serve his entire sentence there. That’s fifty-eight years in prison folks.

Whether this plan will pan out remains to be seen. But it would explain the calm demeanor of Stephany’s father, Ricardo Flores, in court during Van der Sloot’s sentencing. Was he aware of a secret legal strategy that could have Joran in prison for the rest of his life?


Sounds like a plan to me!!!    ::MonkeyCool::


This is what I fully expect to happen.  They have to try him now on the federsal extortion charges because if they were to wait until his sentence in Peru is over, most of the witnesses could be dead!

So it must take place now or within the next year or so at the most.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 15, 2012, 06:13:02 PM
Oh, Peter deVries! 

I am here at just the right time!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 06:13:38 PM
If this file is too large, mods please fix it for me, TY.

It's a collage of the prison, more or less. Hopefully he won't enjoy the priviledges he has become accostomed to at Castro Castro. We shall see.

(http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Natalee%20Holloway%20-Aruba%20---%20Stephany%20Flores%20-Peru/?action-view&current=Penal-de-Piedras-Gordas.jpg)

Link:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Natalee%20Holloway%20-Aruba%20---%20Stephany%20Flores%20-Peru/?action=view&current=Penal-de-Piedras-Gordas.jpg


Jamcakes, I am adding your fork pic to the archive, love it!

Great work, thank you for sharing!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 06:16:36 PM
Oh, Peter deVries! 

I am here at just the right time!

I thought of you when I saw it!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyKiss::

I wish someone would translate it for us, I'd love to know what was said.   :2doh:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 15, 2012, 06:18:08 PM
So....... what's the opinion here? Will the U.S. get Joran extradited immediately for trial -- or will he have to serve his sentence in Peru completely first?

In my view---it will happen pretty quickly.  He'll be "Alabammy Bound!!" in no time.    ::MonkeyCool::

Yeppers, where he won't be the biggest one on his cell block for a change, lol. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2012, 06:27:12 PM
Flores family accept Joran's sentence
Published on 13 January 2012 - 8:44pm


<snipped>

The Peruvian Foreign Minister says the United States has not requested the extradition of Van der Sloot. A court in Alabama has charged him with extortion of Natalee Holloway’s mother. He is accused of asking money in exchange for information on the whereabouts of her body. Natalee Holloway went missing in May 2005, exactly five years before the murder of Stephany Flores. Her body has never been found, but court in Alabama declared her dead only yesterday.

<snipped>

http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/flores-family-accept-jorans-sentence


Joint Statement by United States Attorney Joyce White Vance and FBI Special Agent in Charge Patrick Maley Regarding the Joran van der Sloot Investigation
FBI Birmingham
June 09, 2010


http://www.fbi.gov/birmingham/press-releases/2010/bh060910.htm


 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 15, 2012, 06:29:45 PM
Well, I understood mother, father, Natalee Holloway, probation and random words.  I do get the impression that they said there was no proof Stephany was ever on Joran's laptop looking for anything.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 15, 2012, 06:31:30 PM
Frankly, I don't know how they could file muder charges in the USA as the evidence of the
" investigation" and all the rest of the paperwork is in Aruba and some possibly in NL. Unless there is something I am not comprehending. Or missed. Or as was suggested is going on behind the scenes. Last I read, Aruba still had the investigation open. I could see a civil suit if they can get him in the USA when and if they can get him to Alabama to serve him.
..
I just get tired of him and his schemes to make money from information or exclusive interviews regarding two murders. Never mind how much persons donated willingly to him.
What kind of life path is this that is rewarded by the strange world we live in.?
 


This is what I thought as well until murder charges were filed for that man who killed his wife on their honeymoon in Australia.  Charges were filed here even though the crime happened in Australia and he was convicted.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 15, 2012, 06:33:46 PM
Texasmom, I'm glad you posted what you read under the crossed out part of Joran's letter. Helps knowing what others see as well.

Boy, Idiot boy sure picked the wrong girls. Beth was/is a pitbull who will never stop trying to find Natalee. Stephanie's family has influence. Just look how fast he got moved to another prison after the mention of a press conference. It does how ever make me wonder if there are other victims who families were not there to fight so hard.

ITA Roxibalboa.  Think about it, Aruba...where even there own "missing" don't seem to matter at all so how many girls supposedly "ran away" never to be seen or heard from again; or if they survived never said anything because they knew he would never be held accountable...but they and their family would be ruined in the process!  Thailand...where Joran lived for what about TWO YEARS and they supposedly wanted to question him about some missing Thai girls...but never had the opportunity?  jmo

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::




It was an Anniversary Killing.

That means there are at least 6 including Natalee.

As Robots would say:  "Bet the farm."



JMO and only MO.


Good to see you and all the monkeys!

Lifesong, I have thought the same thing!  Did he kill one each year on the anniversary?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 15, 2012, 06:38:42 PM
http://www.curacao-law.com/2007/11/26/aruba-criminal-law/

ARUBAN Statute of Limitations

ARUBA CRIMINAL LAW

Holloway case raises questions

I received several questions from US news channels about the legal system of Aruba. Basic information can be found on this official website: click here.

From another source (about Dutch law, to a large extent similar to Aruban law): The criminal justice legal process is divided into pretrial and trial phases. In the pretrial phase, intrusive measures such as telephone taps, searches of the person or premises are conducted to secure evidence. This is tempered through the provision of an attorney and notification to the suspect of the development of the case. The trial phase can be described as an accusatorial process. The purpose of the trial is to discover the truth. The court trial lacks some elements of a purely adversarial process in that while it is the judge who asks questions at the trial, attorneys are only allowed to ask supplementary questions, cross-examination does not exist.

All prohibited acts are classified either as crimes or felonies (misdrijven), infractions or transgressions (overtredingen). The legislature determines whether an offense constitutes a crime or an infraction. Imprisonment is only imposed for serious crimes. The minimum sentence is 1 day, the maximum is 15 years. Murder sentences can be extended to 20 years. A life sentence may be imposed for murder or manslaughter with aggravating circumstances, although this is rare.

According to the Aruba Penal Code (Article 72) with respect to adults (18 years and older):

    There is a 6 year statute of limitations on crimes with a maximum term of imprisonment of 3 years (involuntary manslaughter: max. 9 months imprisonment)
    There is a 12 year statute of limitations on crimes with a term of imprisonment of at least 3 years (voluntary manslaughter: max. 15 years and murder: max. 20 years imprisonment)
    There is a 18 year statute of limitations on crimes which result in a life sentence (e.g. murder committed by terrorists / kidnapping resulting in the death of the kidnapped person / killing someone to hide a crime: life sentence)

If you need anything further, please feel free to contact me at: Karel.Frielink@Spigthoff.com.

Karel Frielink
Curacao-based Attorney (lawyer) / Partner


~~~~~~

IIRC, they were arrested on suspicion of voluntary manslaughter, but ruled they didn't have enough evidence to support this.

The statute for the lesser crime of involuntary manslaughter has, surprise, already expired.

I would imagine the statute of limitations to be less for a juvenile, as it was specified that those statutes were for someone 18 or older.

I thought I had read 7 and 10 years, a while back, when I researched this last year, but I am wrong.  Sorry if I mislead anyone.

Further, I have no idea if the US HAS to wait for the Aruban statute of limitations  to expire in order to file a murder case in the US. They might if they were trying to extradite him specifically for that purpose, but since he would be "visiting" the US on other legal matters, he could be served with other suits.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 06:44:11 PM

Hey,

Is it just me... or did anyone else notice Mary Hamer's freaky deaky left index finger in the Anderson Cooper interview?

oooo weeeee!!! Get behind thee, Satan. It was skeery. The woman has many issues.

---

Still pleased with Joran's sentence! Like some others, I don't think he's going to be able to cope with it. His time is short.



It's not just you...something is wrong with that finger...maybe a fungus?   

::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/MH_AC_01.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/MH_AC_03.jpg)

Almost looks like a face on it in this one!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/MH_AC_02.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/MH_AC_04.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 15, 2012, 07:14:54 PM

 


This is what I thought as well until murder charges were filed for that man who killed his wife on their honeymoon in Australia.  Charges were filed here even though the crime happened in Australia and he was convicted.

Hi Anna I thought those pics of Peter would bring you out of lurking   ::HelloKitty::

That Gabe Watson was charged here in Australia for manslaughter and served 18 months and then extradited to Alabama where he was tried and convicted again.

Some interesting points in the following article :

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/02/honeymoon_killer_gabe_watson_t.php

"Honeymoon Killer" Gabe Watson Tried Again For Australian Scuba Death of Newlywed Wife


By Chris Parker in homicide
Friday, February 4, 2011 at 9:00 am

A dream come true turned into a nightmare for Tina Watson, who died for no apparent reason while diving in the Great Barrier Reef. On the verge of going to trial in Australia, her husband Gabe Watson plead guilty to manslaughter and served 18 months. Now he's in Alabama, where he's standing trial for murder...

There are no international rules about double jeopardy, so it's possible to try him here in America, so long as prosecutor can prove that Watson planned the murder before they left on their honeymoon

 ::snipping2::

He was extradited from Australia only after Alabama promised not to seek the death penalty.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2012, 07:16:41 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot Gets 28 Years in Peru, Now US Wants Him
Jan. 13, 2012


<snipped>

The attorney for Holloway's mother, John Q. Kelly, said after today's sentencing that he hopes van der Sloot will be extradited to the U.S. within "a couple of months."

Van der Sloot is charged with extorting $25,000 from Holloway's grieving mother Beth Holloway in exchange for information about the location of Natalee's body. After receving the money, van der Sloot admitted lying about where the girl's body was buried.

"We anticipate that U.S. authorities will move quickly to bring him to Alabama to face pending federal charges and to answer for his past conduct in Aruba," Kelly had said prior to the sentencing.

The U.S. District Attorney in Birmingham, where the case against van der Sloot will be prosecuted, did not immediately return calls for comment. They had previously told ABC News that they had made arrangements with Interpol to have van der Sloot extradited to the U.S.

Any sentence he might receive in the U.S. would be served in conjunction with the 28 years he was sentenced in Peru, Kelly said.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/US/joran-van-der-sloot-28-years-now-us/story?id=15353765



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 07:23:14 PM
Well, I understood mother, father, Natalee Holloway, probation and random words.  I do get the impression that they said there was no proof Stephany was ever on Joran's laptop looking for anything.

I got that impression too.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: cadillac on January 15, 2012, 07:24:14 PM
Frankly, I don't know how they could file muder charges in the USA as the evidence of the
" investigation" and all the rest of the paperwork is in Aruba and some possibly in NL. Unless there is something I am not comprehending. Or missed. Or as was suggested is going on behind the scenes. Last I read, Aruba still had the investigation open. I could see a civil suit if they can get him in the USA when and if they can get him to Alabama to serve him.
..
I just get tired of him and his schemes to make money from information or exclusive interviews regarding two murders. Never mind how much persons donated willingly to him.
What kind of life path is this that is rewarded by the strange world we live in.?
 


This is what I thought as well until murder charges were filed for that man who killed his wife on their honeymoon in Australia.  Charges were filed here even though the crime happened in Australia and he was convicted.
And that was in Alabama - just so you know.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 15, 2012, 08:05:39 PM

 


This is what I thought as well until murder charges were filed for that man who killed his wife on their honeymoon in Australia.  Charges were filed here even though the crime happened in Australia and he was convicted.

Hi Anna I thought those pics of Peter would bring you out of lurking   ::HelloKitty::

That Gabe Watson was charged here in Australia for manslaughter and served 18 months and then extradited to Alabama where he was tried and convicted again.

Some interesting points in the following article :

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/02/honeymoon_killer_gabe_watson_t.php

"Honeymoon Killer" Gabe Watson Tried Again For Australian Scuba Death of Newlywed Wife


By Chris Parker in homicide
Friday, February 4, 2011 at 9:00 am

A dream come true turned into a nightmare for Tina Watson, who died for no apparent reason while diving in the Great Barrier Reef. On the verge of going to trial in Australia, her husband Gabe Watson plead guilty to manslaughter and served 18 months. Now he's in Alabama, where he's standing trial for murder...

There are no international rules about double jeopardy, so it's possible to try him here in America, so long as prosecutor can prove that Watson planned the murder before they left on their honeymoon

 ::snipping2::

He was extradited from Australia only after Alabama promised not to seek the death penalty.

 ::snipping2::


Thanks, Trib

I see that part about planned in the U.S. before he left and wonder if the charge was predicated on that.  I hope not and that this would apply to the murder of an American where no charges were brought in the country in which it happened.  Guess I am just dreaming.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 15, 2012, 08:08:02 PM
Well, I understood mother, father, Natalee Holloway, probation and random words.  I do get the impression that they said there was no proof Stephany was ever on Joran's laptop looking for anything.

I got that impression too.   ::MonkeyCool::



So is it our Dutch or Spanish that's getting better, lol!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 15, 2012, 08:09:01 PM
Frankly, I don't know how they could file muder charges in the USA as the evidence of the
" investigation" and all the rest of the paperwork is in Aruba and some possibly in NL. Unless there is something I am not comprehending. Or missed. Or as was suggested is going on behind the scenes. Last I read, Aruba still had the investigation open. I could see a civil suit if they can get him in the USA when and if they can get him to Alabama to serve him.
..
I just get tired of him and his schemes to make money from information or exclusive interviews regarding two murders. Never mind how much persons donated willingly to him.
What kind of life path is this that is rewarded by the strange world we live in.?
 


This is what I thought as well until murder charges were filed for that man who killed his wife on their honeymoon in Australia.  Charges were filed here even though the crime happened in Australia and he was convicted.
And that was in Alabama - just so you know.


It surely was!  So that means they know all about how to do it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Ono on January 15, 2012, 08:25:01 PM

 


This is what I thought as well until murder charges were filed for that man who killed his wife on their honeymoon in Australia.  Charges were filed here even though the crime happened in Australia and he was convicted.

Hi Anna I thought those pics of Peter would bring you out of lurking   ::HelloKitty::

That Gabe Watson was charged here in Australia for manslaughter and served 18 months and then extradited to Alabama where he was tried and convicted again.

Some interesting points in the following article :

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/02/honeymoon_killer_gabe_watson_t.php

"Honeymoon Killer" Gabe Watson Tried Again For Australian Scuba Death of Newlywed Wife


By Chris Parker in homicide
Friday, February 4, 2011 at 9:00 am

A dream come true turned into a nightmare for Tina Watson, who died for no apparent reason while diving in the Great Barrier Reef. On the verge of going to trial in Australia, her husband Gabe Watson plead guilty to manslaughter and served 18 months. Now he's in Alabama, where he's standing trial for murder...

There are no international rules about double jeopardy, so it's possible to try him here in America, so long as prosecutor can prove that Watson planned the murder before they left on their honeymoon

 ::snipping2::

He was extradited from Australia only after Alabama promised not to seek the death penalty.

 ::snipping2::


Thanks, Trib

I see that part about planned in the U.S. before he left and wonder if the charge was predicated on that.  I hope not and that this would apply to the murder of an American where no charges were brought in the country in which it happened.  Guess I am just dreaming.

Anna---I did not follow his case to the final Alabama conclusion, but I remember that, yes, it was predicated on his premeditating her murder prior to their marriage/honeymoon---I remember her father was very adamant in his belief of this, early on.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Ono on January 15, 2012, 08:27:53 PM
Well, I understood mother, father, Natalee Holloway, probation and random words.  I do get the impression that they said there was no proof Stephany was ever on Joran's laptop looking for anything.

I got that impression too.   ::MonkeyCool::



So is it our Dutch or Spanish that's getting better, lol!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 15, 2012, 09:00:10 PM
Jan 13, 2012
Joran Van der Sloot gets 28 years for Peru killing


<snipped>

The victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the verdict that Van der Sloot was enjoying favorable conditions in a Lima prison, where he has been living apart from the general population and foreigners with money can buy superior treatment, the Associated Press reports.

"A jail isn't a 5-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Let's hope the authorities take that into account and not just in our case."

"Since the first day we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" that Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail. He said he would present evidence of this at a news conference on Monday.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-gets-xx-year-sentence-for-peru-killing/1?csp=34news


I am anticipating what Ricardo Flores will reveal at tomorrow's media conference in regards to his investigation encompassing Joran van der Sloots privileges within the Peruvian prison system.

A serious game of Scrabble awaits with daughter.  The loser treats the other to the movie "War Horse" later this evening.

Good Night.

Janet
5:55 PM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 09:38:05 PM
I've wondered if this is an old article...a mistake...or what...   ::MonkeyConfused::

but this is what it says.

According to this article Joran wasn't planning on showing up in court on Friday!

You think he thought it might be bad luck?    ::MonkeyDevil::

Looks like they may have been trying to pull another fast one, but apparently his plan failed.  I wondered why he wore that simple green T-shirt to his sentencing after he'd at least worn a dress shirt to the other proceedings...  Maybe because he wasn't planning on going?  But the guards showed up and took him anyway?

Anita confirmed the information that Joran was not going to court.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

I'd wondered from what I could understand of the article what was "according to the mama of Joran" so I typed it out and ran it through the translator.

http://issuu.com/boletinextra/docs/diabierna_13_januari_2012?mode=window&pageNumber=1

Solo di Pueblo (Aruba)

January 13, 2012 Page 12

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01132012_SDP_Pg12.png)

Papiamentu translation:  

according mother of joran van der sloot: joran will do not present for his caso today in corte at peru

sta. cruz – joran van der sloot will is the great ausente (missing person) today diabierna hour cu his caso come fast one huez peruvian. only the abogadonan, fiscal y huez will is present in the caso cu will wordo deal in jail self. the irony is cu in the caso here while cu the is wordo deal in the jail where cu joran is close, the self will do not present. this owing to stay confirma for mother of joran vd sloot. according mother of joran, the intencion is cu the advocate of joran, jimenez will haci one presentacion y will have one proposicion at huez for cu his cliente joran vd sloot. do not conoci kico the proposicion here is. thing is haci the caso more interesting here is cu while cu the week here is cuminsa cu tratamento of the caso, the same hueznan cu is cuminsa cu the caso, is wordo reemplaza end of the same month here. esey is place cu will can surgi one retraso again for continuacion of owing to tratamento of the caso y advocate of joran, jimenez wanted earn time in this. the encuentro here will is the first for her caso of joran vd sloot fast hueznan y is the intencion for her fiscalnan in the caso asi ask one cantidad of ana for joran vd sloot for thing the is wordo acusa of dje. this is the asesinato on the peruvian stephany flores. have informacion cu is circula cu the cantidad of ana cu is wordo ask for joran is 30 ana.
apparently have one cantidad of journalist internacional is viahando for peru for is present for her caso here. the mature cu joran v.d. sloot self will do not present, do not haci this less interesting for they. can count ; cu have assure one cantidad big of journalist dutch y americano cu is on plane for they can presencia today diabierna for they can raporta the caso here. self instant owing to comprende cu have one battalion of journalist at caminda or at peru end for her caso, cu according the advocate jimenez, do not wait for great cos today diabierna. is one simple proceso cu will take lugar where cu neither joran will is present. do not conoci pakico joran do not present. this is cortesia of la prensa of corsou! come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 09:41:49 PM
Well, I understood mother, father, Natalee Holloway, probation and random words.  I do get the impression that they said there was no proof Stephany was ever on Joran's laptop looking for anything.

I got that impression too.   ::MonkeyCool::



So is it our Dutch or Spanish that's getting better, lol!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::   

Come across!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 09:47:06 PM
http://issuu.com/boletinextra/docs/diabierna_13_januari_2012?mode=window&pageNumber=1

Solo di Pueblo (Aruba)

January 13, 2012

Front Page

 ::snipping2::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01132012_SDP_FP.png)

Page 4

 ::snipping2::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 09:58:44 PM
It stated in that article that it was courtesy of La Prensa in Curacao...they ran it too.

But they ran it on the 3rd of January.

http://www.laprensacur.com/aruba/23-aruba/27308-su-mama-a-confirma-noticia-ayera-joran-vd-sloot-lo-no-ta-presente-pa-su-caso-diabierna-na-peru.html

his mother owing to confirma news ayera; joran vd sloot will do not present for his caso diabierna at peru

tuesday, 03 january 2012 19:27

administrator oranjestad – joran van der sloot will is the great ausente diabierna now hour cu his caso come fast one judge peruvian y wordo deal. is only the abogadonan, fiscal y judge will is present in the caso here cu will wordo deal in jail self. the irony is cu in the caso here while cu the is wordo deal in the jail where cu joran is close, the self will do not present. this owing to stay confirma yesterday for own mother of joran vd sloot. according mother of joran, the intencion is cu the advocate of joran, jimenez will haci one presentacion y haci in this one proposicion at judge for cu his cliente joran vd sloot. do not conoci if kico the proposicion here is. thing is haci the caso more interesting here is cu while cu the week here is ‘cuminsa’ cu the tratamento of the caso, the same huesnan cu is cuminsa cu the caso, is wordo remplasa end of the same month here. that is place cu will can surgi one retraso again for continuacion of the tratamento of the caso, y jimenez wanted earn time in this. the ‘encuentro’ here will is the first for her caso of joran vd sloot fast huesnan, y is the intencion for her fiscalnan in the caso here ask one cantidad of year substancial for joran vd sloot for her thing the is wordo acusa of dje, cu is asesinato on the peruvian stephany flores. have informacion cu is circula cu the cantidad of year cu is wordo ask for vd sloot is 30 year. mirando the desaroyo of the week here, can owing to compronde also cu have one cantidad of journalist internacional is biahando for peru the week here for is present for her caso here. the mature cu vd sloot self will do not present, do not haci this less interesting for they. can count ; cu have assure one cantidad big of journalist dutch y mericano cu is on plane end cu owing to confirma they presencia for diabierna now for they can raporta the caso here. self instant owing to compronde cu have one battalion of journalist at caminda or at peru end for her caso, cu according the advocate jimenez, do not wait for great cos diabierna now. is one simple proceso cu will take lugar where cu neither joran will is present. do not conoci pakico joran do not present if.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 09:59:50 PM
Only in Aruba...   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 15, 2012, 10:45:24 PM
Piedras Gordas holds local crime bosses and terrorism convicts.

Do you think they care that the Dutchruban Playboy candyass is refusing to eat his duck jerky rice and carrots? ::MonkeyTongue::

No... uh uh. They don't care.

You know who also doesn't care? Me.

I wish Stephany could eat today... I wish Natalee could eat today.

Go ahead, Joran.... punish them for taking away your toys and sticking you in a new scary place.

It no worky, in Peru, bro. Your PETULANCE is so 2005. Welcome to the real world.

It began for you on January 13, 2012. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 10:53:38 PM
http://issuu.com/boletinextra/docs/diasabra_14_januari_2012

Solo di Pueblo (Aruba)

January 14, 2012

Front Page

 ::snipping2::

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Page 2

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 11:05:05 PM
Piedras Gordas holds local crime bosses and terrorism convicts.

Do you think they care that the Dutchruban Playboy candyass is refusing to eat his duck jerky rice and carrots? ::MonkeyTongue::

No... uh uh. They don't care.

You know who also doesn't care? Me.

I wish Stephany could eat today... I wish Natalee could eat today.

Go ahead, Joran.... punish them for taking away your toys and sticking you in a new scary place.

It no worky, in Peru, bro. Your PETULANCE is so 2005. Welcome to the real world.

It began for you on January 13, 2012. ::MonkeyCool::


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/nail.gif) ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::

Spoiled brat tactics   ::monkeydenied::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 11:23:13 PM
Well, I understood mother, father, Natalee Holloway, probation and random words.  I do get the impression that they said there was no proof Stephany was ever on Joran's laptop looking for anything.

I forgot it earlier, but I also understood them mention Joran's father smuggling a cellphone into him while he was in jail in Aruba.

(Peter R. DeVries on Pauw & Witteman Jan 11th)

http://youtu.be/e-AqZFKiDUY


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2012, 11:47:13 PM
http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/131503/joran_van_der_sloots_sentence

Joran van der Sloot's Sentence Isn't Justice for All (PHOTOS)

Posted by Cynthia Dermody on January 13, 2012 at 1:38 PM

."Joran van der Sloot, you may leave the hall," the Peruvian tribunal said today right after it was determined he would serve 28 years in jail for killing Stephany Flores. Of course, this sentence also gave us here in America a very deep satisfaction in knowing that in some small, indirect way, he is finally going to pay for what most of us believe he did to Natalee Holloway.

The verdict today, two years short of the maximum (which is baffling), had nothing to do with the Holloway case. Her name was invoked in the sentencing, however, when the judge made mention of van der Sloot's suspicion in her disappearance, to which van der Sloot just sat there with his cold, expressionless face. This is not meant to take away from the vindication of Flores' family and her spirit today. This is a victory for the people of Peru and for the Flores family for the horrible crime that was committed against her. But Natalee's presence was there in that courtroom today, too.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 16, 2012, 12:03:06 AM
Frankly, I don't know how they could file muder charges in the USA as the evidence of the
" investigation" and all the rest of the paperwork is in Aruba and some possibly in NL. Unless there is something I am not comprehending. Or missed. Or as was suggested is going on behind the scenes. Last I read, Aruba still had the investigation open. I could see a civil suit if they can get him in the USA when and if they can get him to Alabama to serve him.
..
I just get tired of him and his schemes to make money from information or exclusive interviews regarding two murders. Never mind how much persons donated willingly to him.
What kind of life path is this that is rewarded by the strange world we live in.?
 


This is what I thought as well until murder charges were filed for that man who killed his wife on their honeymoon in Australia.  Charges were filed here even though the crime happened in Australia and he was convicted.
Anna, Australia a civilized country unlike the other place Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 16, 2012, 12:07:43 AM

 


This is what I thought as well until murder charges were filed for that man who killed his wife on their honeymoon in Australia.  Charges were filed here even though the crime happened in Australia and he was convicted.

Hi Anna I thought those pics of Peter would bring you out of lurking   ::HelloKitty::

That Gabe Watson was charged here in Australia for manslaughter and served 18 months and then extradited to Alabama where he was tried and convicted again.

Some interesting points in the following article :

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/02/honeymoon_killer_gabe_watson_t.php

"Honeymoon Killer" Gabe Watson Tried Again For Australian Scuba Death of Newlywed Wife


By Chris Parker in homicide
Friday, February 4, 2011 at 9:00 am

A dream come true turned into a nightmare for Tina Watson, who died for no apparent reason while diving in the Great Barrier Reef. On the verge of going to trial in Australia, her husband Gabe Watson plead guilty to manslaughter and served 18 months. Now he's in Alabama, where he's standing trial for murder...

There are no international rules about double jeopardy, so it's possible to try him here in America, so long as prosecutor can prove that Watson planned the murder before they left on their honeymoon

 ::snipping2::

He was extradited from Australia only after Alabama promised not to seek the death penalty.

 ::snipping2::


Thanks, Trib

I see that part about planned in the U.S. before he left and wonder if the charge was predicated on that.  I hope not and that this would apply to the murder of an American where no charges were brought in the country in which it happened.  Guess I am just dreaming.

Found this summary of happenings and it seems the insurance money being increased and made out to Gabe as sole beneficiary before their marriage was the catalyst for the preplanned theory :

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Tina_Watson

Death of Tina Watson

This article is about the death of Christina Mae Watson née Thomas, known as Tina to her family and often called Christina in Australia. She was a 26-year- old American woman from Alabama. She died on her honeymoon on the Great Barrier Reef in Queensland, Australia in 2003. She had only been married to her husband, David Gabriel "Gabe" Watson, for 11 days when she died. The doctor who performed the autopsy said she drowned in a scuba diving accident.[1] Six years later, Gabe Watson was charged for murder and manslaughter. He pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sent to prison for a year by an Australian court.[2] Six months were added to the prison sentence after an appeal that took place just six weeks later. The appeal was held as soon after the trial as possible because of concerns raised by Tina's father with the trial itself. However, the appeal judges agreed with the trial judge on most of the issues except the six month increase in the prison sentence.

 ::snipping2::

Tina's father testified that, immediately before their wedding, Gabe had asked Tina to increase her life insurance policy to the maximum possible and make him the sole beneficiary. He also said that several hundreds of thousands of dollars of insurance money after Tina's death until they named him as a possible murder suspect

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2012, 12:12:22 AM
http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=10884

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01142012_ArubaDaily.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 16, 2012, 12:12:46 AM
Frankly, I don't know how they could file muder charges in the USA as the evidence of the
" investigation" and all the rest of the paperwork is in Aruba and some possibly in NL. Unless there is something I am not comprehending. Or missed. Or as was suggested is going on behind the scenes. Last I read, Aruba still had the investigation open. I could see a civil suit if they can get him in the USA when and if they can get him to Alabama to serve him.
..
I just get tired of him and his schemes to make money from information or exclusive interviews regarding two murders. Never mind how much persons donated willingly to him.
What kind of life path is this that is rewarded by the strange world we live in.?
 


This is what I thought as well until murder charges were filed for that man who killed his wife on their honeymoon in Australia.  Charges were filed here even though the crime happened in Australia and he was convicted.
Anna, Australia a civilized country unlike the other place Aruba.

 ::australiaflag::

And we are not pushovers either as we denied Joran's application to enter Australia some time after he left Aruba following Natalee's disappearance

::koaladancing::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 16, 2012, 12:23:51 AM
It should be an interesting meeting.  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/98090-om-mogelijk-naar-peru-voor-ondervraging-joran

Google translation

OM possible to Peru for questioning Joran
Saturday, January 14, 2012 6:50

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) in Aruba plans to travel to Peru for Joran back to question about the evening in 2005 when Natalee Holloway disappeared. Joran is possible, now that he has a long prison sentence, but the truth.

This Taco Stein, Advocate General of the Public Amigoe to let you know. Certainly it's not a date, and is certainly not punctured. "For now just let him stew in his," says Stein. The Advocate General thinks Joran, he is now a long imprisonment for the murder of Stephany Flores, may decide to be honest about what happened on that fateful night when Natalee vanished. Joran was the last person seen with her. He was repeatedly arrested and detained and later made ​​several confessions on that evening but then pulled back. Due to lack of physical evidence was Joran never charged for this. However, he still considered the prime suspect.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2012, 12:36:50 AM
It should be an interesting meeting.  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/98090-om-mogelijk-naar-peru-voor-ondervraging-joran

Google translation

OM possible to Peru for questioning Joran
Saturday, January 14, 2012 6:50

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) in Aruba plans to travel to Peru for Joran back to question about the evening in 2005 when Natalee Holloway disappeared. Joran is possible, now that he has a long prison sentence, but the truth.

This Taco Stein, Advocate General of the Public Amigoe to let you know. Certainly it's not a date, and is certainly not punctured. "For now just let him stew in his," says Stein. The Advocate General thinks Joran, he is now a long imprisonment for the murder of Stephany Flores, may decide to be honest about what happened on that fateful night when Natalee vanished. Joran was the last person seen with her. He was repeatedly arrested and detained and later made ​​several confessions on that evening but then pulled back. Due to lack of physical evidence was Joran never charged for this. However, he still considered the prime suspect.

 ::snipping2::


He'll probably give him an ultimatum, bring him some take out food or he won't see him.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I won't get my hopes up on this one.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2012, 12:37:31 AM
Frankly, I don't know how they could file muder charges in the USA as the evidence of the
" investigation" and all the rest of the paperwork is in Aruba and some possibly in NL. Unless there is something I am not comprehending. Or missed. Or as was suggested is going on behind the scenes. Last I read, Aruba still had the investigation open. I could see a civil suit if they can get him in the USA when and if they can get him to Alabama to serve him.
..
I just get tired of him and his schemes to make money from information or exclusive interviews regarding two murders. Never mind how much persons donated willingly to him.
What kind of life path is this that is rewarded by the strange world we live in.?
 


This is what I thought as well until murder charges were filed for that man who killed his wife on their honeymoon in Australia.  Charges were filed here even though the crime happened in Australia and he was convicted.
Anna, Australia a civilized country unlike the other place Aruba.

 ::australiaflag::

And we are not pushovers either as we denied Joran's application to enter Australia some time after he left Aruba following Natalee's disappearance

::koaladancing::

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 16, 2012, 12:57:52 AM
It should be an interesting meeting.  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/98090-om-mogelijk-naar-peru-voor-ondervraging-joran

Google translation

OM possible to Peru for questioning Joran
Saturday, January 14, 2012 6:50

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) in Aruba plans to travel to Peru for Joran back to question about the evening in 2005 when Natalee Holloway disappeared. Joran is possible, now that he has a long prison sentence, but the truth.

This Taco Stein, Advocate General of the Public Amigoe to let you know. Certainly it's not a date, and is certainly not punctured. "For now just let him stew in his," says Stein. The Advocate General thinks Joran, he is now a long imprisonment for the murder of Stephany Flores, may decide to be honest about what happened on that fateful night when Natalee vanished. Joran was the last person seen with her. He was repeatedly arrested and detained and later made ​​several confessions on that evening but then pulled back. Due to lack of physical evidence was Joran never charged for this. However, he still considered the prime suspect.

 ::snipping2::


He'll probably give him an ultimatum, bring him some take out food or he won't see him.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I won't get my hopes up on this one.




BBM

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Yeah, that's it!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 16, 2012, 01:13:37 AM
http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2715979/advocaat-joran-van-sloot-verwacht-hoger-beroep.html

Google translation

Joran lawyer expects appeal
Last Updated: January 16, 2012 6:35

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot is almost certainly going to appeal against his sentence of 28 years in prison for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores.

"I expect that Joran will walk this road," said his lawyer Jose Jimenez Navarro. Monday is a decision on, does the lawyer.

The lawyer, Van der Sloot was last Friday after the meeting said. Subsequently, the Dutch moved from the Miguel Castro Castro prison to Piedras Gordas prison in northern Lima.
 ::snipping2::

According to Jimenez, there is not much difference in the new regime in prison. Well this weekend was the lawyer until Monday to hear that he could go along with his client because the current regime in Piedras Gordas visitors.

Jimenez is Monday morning (local time) with Van der Sloot discuss a possible appeal. "The punishment he got was exaggerated," says the lawyer.

It may also take months before the appeal, which has no public hearings, to start.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2012, 02:28:27 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01132012_Stephany-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 16, 2012, 03:13:15 AM
It should be an interesting meeting.  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/98090-om-mogelijk-naar-peru-voor-ondervraging-joran

Google translation

OM possible to Peru for questioning Joran
Saturday, January 14, 2012 6:50

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) in Aruba plans to travel to Peru for Joran back to question about the evening in 2005 when Natalee Holloway disappeared. Joran is possible, now that he has a long prison sentence, but the truth.

This Taco Stein, Advocate General of the Public Amigoe to let you know. Certainly it's not a date, and is certainly not punctured. "For now just let him stew in his," says Stein. The Advocate General thinks Joran, he is now a long imprisonment for the murder of Stephany Flores, may decide to be honest about what happened on that fateful night when Natalee vanished. Joran was the last person seen with her. He was repeatedly arrested and detained and later made ​​several confessions on that evening but then pulled back. Due to lack of physical evidence was Joran never charged for this. However, he still considered the prime suspect.

 ::snipping2::


Anybody can ask him anything they want, but unless he thinks he can benefit from telling the truth, he won't. I'm not sure he knows where Natalee ended up. Maybe Paulus was stupid enough to tell him, maybe not. I still say, the best we could hope for is for someone to orchestrate a deal with the prisoners and/or guards at the prison to convincingly threaten Joran in this way: "You tell where Natalee's body is and you live. You don't tell, you die. You have one week for some remains to be recovered from the information you give, or you die. You have ONE false start and that costs you a testicle." That might work, but if it didn't, then I'd want them to follow through with the "arrangement." Actually, even if it did work, following through is a good idea, IMO.   ::piggy::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Sgt.York on January 16, 2012, 04:21:57 AM
I knew it.
When I head there were three female judges, I knew this would be a disaster.

He got 28 years but will likely serve much less due to Peru's statutory good time credits. Those convicted of murder are eligible for parole after serving 1/3 of their sentence. In addition, if they work or take educational programs, they get one day off for every two days spent in the program.

A trollish-faced 6-foot-4 rapist murdering psychopath? How could any woman resist? Women love psychopaths; they find them endearing. And "OMG-GIGGLE!" he's 6-foot-4 and a "bad-boy!" I'm amazed one the female judges didn't sentence him to house-arrest and offer to let him stay with her. In addition to the ridiculously light sentence from these female judges, he has received hundreds of love letters from adoring women. Reportedly, when he was in Asia, women were chasing him like he was a rock star. A florida medical doctor - Dr. Mary Hamer, a divorced radiologist - has become smitten with him and has been paying for his lawyers, sending him care packages, visiting him in prison, buying him clothes. From the way women wet their panties over this guy, Joran is apparently God's gift to women. It would be amusing if there weren't two dead girls (that we know of). I only hope that the USA will extradite him for wire fraud - when he gets out of jail 8 years - and that he gets a judge of the masculine persuasion and not some giggling blushing affirmative action appointment.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 16, 2012, 05:17:47 AM
I knew it.
When I head there were three female judges, I knew this would be a disaster.

He got 28 years but will likely serve much less due to Peru's statutory good time credits. Those convicted of murder are eligible for parole after serving 1/3 of their sentence. In addition, if they work or take educational programs, they get one day off for every two days spent in the program.

A trollish-faced 6-foot-4 rapist murdering psychopath? How could any woman resist? Women love psychopaths; they find them endearing. And "OMG-GIGGLE!" he's 6-foot-4 and a "bad-boy!" I'm amazed one the female judges didn't sentence him to house-arrest and offer to let him stay with her. In addition to the ridiculously light sentence from these female judges, he has received hundreds of love letters from adoring women. Reportedly, when he was in Asia, women were chasing him like he was a rock star. A florida medical doctor - Dr. Mary Hamer, a divorced radiologist - has become smitten with him and has been paying for his lawyers, sending him care packages, visiting him in prison, buying him clothes. From the way women wet their panties over this guy, Joran is apparently God's gift to women. It would be amusing if there weren't two dead girls (that we know of). I only hope that the USA will extradite him for wire fraud - when he gets out of jail 8 years - and that he gets a judge of the masculine persuasion and not some giggling blushing affirmative action appointment.




Sgt. York -

In 2008, he was judged by 3 panel of men. They threw Joran back in the sea to grow into a bigger monster and kill once again!

When I say these guys did absolutely nothing. I don't think I'm exaggerating.

I think these 3 women in Peru did a pretty thorough job. They laid a nice thick foundation for the US courts to conduct a second
fly over to drop a couple of nice big fat poop bombs on him.

He's been charged with two more crimes. Extortion and bank fraud, 20 years and 30 years, respectively.

He will be getting many more years.imo

In Joran's latest psych profile from Peru, the doctor says Joran likes to diddle himself three times a week. I'm thinking that number is going to be revised? ::MonkeyBath2::

The took away his X-Box.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Sgt.York on January 16, 2012, 05:40:55 AM
He will be getting many more years.imo

Not in peru. People are doing the math and I'm reading... with good-time and the 2:1 work/study benefit he could be out in 5 1/2 years. I'm angry.

28 years sentence
- 18 years (serves 1/3 sentence)
- 2 years (participates in education program first four years of sentence)
- 18 months pre-trial confinement
======================
5 1/2 years


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 16, 2012, 06:45:27 AM
Sexist comments usually come from those who have no comprehension on how to make judgements in the first place. How ironic. That's how much time I'll spend on that! Now moving on to the more important part of how URINE is, and was STUPID ENOUGH to put the first NAIL IN HIS OWN COFFIN.

KEEP DIGGIN URINE...THE HOLE KEEPS GETTIN BIGGER

SWEET HOME ALABAMA

KEEPTHEFAITH



 ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 16, 2012, 06:46:22 AM
::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 16, 2012, 08:23:53 AM
::HelloKitty::

 ::HelloKitty::

Hi KTF!

I think this will come full circle and shape up nicely.

Wouldn't it be great if Joran's new home for the rest of his pathetic days was at...

William E Donaldson Facility
www.alabama.gov/
100 Warrior Lane  Bessemer, AL 35023-7228

If Joran was owned by Natalee's Alabama.

I think the Flores family would be okay with it... because Joran will never get out, even if he's a good boy.

Anita would like it because they have meditation classes where Joran could get in touch with his inner anger.

I think Beth might like it... because from time to time... she can run over to Bessemer and torture Joran with a 3 Muskateers. (love her spirit)

Yes, yes, I like it when things come full circle. I hope it happens soon. I would choose April 2012, if I could.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: cadillac on January 16, 2012, 09:14:26 AM
It should be an interesting meeting.  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/98090-om-mogelijk-naar-peru-voor-ondervraging-joran

Google translation

OM possible to Peru for questioning Joran
Saturday, January 14, 2012 6:50

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) in Aruba plans to travel to Peru for Joran back to question about the evening in 2005 when Natalee Holloway disappeared. Joran is possible, now that he has a long prison sentence, but the truth.

This Taco Stein, Advocate General of the Public Amigoe to let you know. Certainly it's not a date, and is certainly not punctured. "For now just let him stew in his," says Stein. The Advocate General thinks Joran, he is now a long imprisonment for the murder of Stephany Flores, may decide to be honest about what happened on that fateful night when Natalee vanished. Joran was the last person seen with her. He was repeatedly arrested and detained and later made ​​several confessions on that evening but then pulled back. Due to lack of physical evidence was Joran never charged for this. However, he still considered the prime suspect.

 ::snipping2::


He'll probably give him an ultimatum, bring him some take out food or he won't see him.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I won't get my hopes up on this one.



Send him a Snickers bar along with an airline ticket to Birmingham, Alabama. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: cadillac on January 16, 2012, 09:24:30 AM
I knew it.
When I head there were three female judges, I knew this would be a disaster.

He got 28 years but will likely serve much less due to Peru's statutory good time credits. Those convicted of murder are eligible for parole after serving 1/3 of their sentence. In addition, if they work or take educational programs, they get one day off for every two days spent in the program.

A trollish-faced 6-foot-4 rapist murdering psychopath? How could any woman resist? Women love psychopaths; they find them endearing. And "OMG-GIGGLE!" he's 6-foot-4 and a "bad-boy!" I'm amazed one the female judges didn't sentence him to house-arrest and offer to let him stay with her. In addition to the ridiculously light sentence from these female judges, he has received hundreds of love letters from adoring women. Reportedly, when he was in Asia, women were chasing him like he was a rock star. A florida medical doctor - Dr. Mary Hamer, a divorced radiologist - has become smitten with him and has been paying for his lawyers, sending him care packages, visiting him in prison, buying him clothes. From the way women wet their panties over this guy, Joran is apparently God's gift to women. It would be amusing if there weren't two dead girls (that we know of). I only hope that the USA will extradite him for wire fraud - when he gets out of jail 8 years - and that he gets a judge of the masculine persuasion and not some giggling blushing affirmative action appointment.



One comment to this...I thought the maximum sentence that could be given by these "Chickas" was 30 years. They gave him 28. Seems pretty strong to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 16, 2012, 09:55:35 AM
I knew it.
When I head there were three female judges, I knew this would be a disaster.

He got 28 years but will likely serve much less due to Peru's statutory good time credits. Those convicted of murder are eligible for parole after serving 1/3 of their sentence. In addition, if they work or take educational programs, they get one day off for every two days spent in the program.

A trollish-faced 6-foot-4 rapist murdering psychopath? How could any woman resist? Women love psychopaths; they find them endearing. And "OMG-GIGGLE!" he's 6-foot-4 and a "bad-boy!" I'm amazed one the female judges didn't sentence him to house-arrest and offer to let him stay with her. In addition to the ridiculously light sentence from these female judges, he has received hundreds of love letters from adoring women. Reportedly, when he was in Asia, women were chasing him like he was a rock star. A florida medical doctor - Dr. Mary Hamer, a divorced radiologist - has become smitten with him and has been paying for his lawyers, sending him care packages, visiting him in prison, buying him clothes. From the way women wet their panties over this guy, Joran is apparently God's gift to women. It would be amusing if there weren't two dead girls (that we know of). I only hope that the USA will extradite him for wire fraud - when he gets out of jail 8 years - and that he gets a judge of the masculine persuasion and not some giggling blushing affirmative action appointment.



One comment to this...I thought the maximum sentence that could be given by these "Chickas" was 30 years. They gave him 28. Seems pretty strong to me.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 16, 2012, 10:23:15 AM

Hey,

Is it just me... or did anyone else notice Mary Hamer's freaky deaky left index finger in the Anderson Cooper interview?

oooo weeeee!!! Get behind thee, Satan. It was skeery. The woman has many issues.

---

Still pleased with Joran's sentence! Like some others, I don't think he's going to be able to cope with it. His time is short.



It's not just you...something is wrong with that finger...maybe a fungus?   

::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

snipped

Perhaps it is Hammer Finger  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 16, 2012, 10:27:54 AM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranCam28Yrs.jpg)

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 16, 2012, 10:36:53 AM

It should be an interesting meeting.  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/98090-om-mogelijk-naar-peru-voor-ondervraging-joran

Google translation

OM possible to Peru for questioning Joran
Saturday, January 14, 2012 6:50

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) in Aruba plans to travel to Peru for Joran back to question about the evening in 2005 when Natalee Holloway disappeared. Joran is possible, now that he has a long prison sentence, but the truth.

This Taco Stein, Advocate General of the Public Amigoe to let you know. Certainly it's not a date, and is certainly not punctured. "For now just let him stew in his," says Stein. The Advocate General thinks Joran, he is now a long imprisonment for the murder of Stephany Flores, may decide to be honest about what happened on that fateful night when Natalee vanished. Joran was the last person seen with her. He was repeatedly arrested and detained and later made ​​several confessions on that evening but then pulled back. Due to lack of physical evidence was Joran never charged for this. However, he still considered the prime suspect.

 ::snipping2::


This is, imo, just another bluster tactic by Aruba.  Taco said the same thing right after Joran was arrested in Peru in 2010.  Aruba already knows and has the answers.  I even think they have Natalee's remains. Maybe now Aruba will find some way for some of those remains to be found, so they can untarnish their reputation in light of the new circumstances.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 16, 2012, 10:48:14 AM
He will be getting many more years.imo

Not in peru. People are doing the math and I'm reading... with good-time and the 2:1 work/study benefit he could be out in 5 1/2 years. I'm angry.

28 years sentence
- 18 years (serves 1/3 sentence)
- 2 years (participates in education program first four years of sentence)
- 18 months pre-trial confinement
======================
5 1/2 years


The legal analysts all said he couldn't even apply for parole until after he serves at least 1/3 of his sentence - so he could apply after 8 years. 

Of course Joran would have to behave himself.  And that is beyond Joran's capability if we look at his past actions and read his psych profile.

He got into altercations all his life.  And in KIA we heard of his fighting.  We heard rumors of him fighting in Castro Castro too.

I seriously doubt Joran can behave. And I seriously Joran would be paroled after 8 years (it is an application process that can be denied) even if he lives that long.

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 16, 2012, 11:04:07 AM
The Final Judgement of Joran van der Sloot
 
 Most notorious example was the trial held in the prison Miguel Castro Castro, earlier this year is the case of Dutch murderer Joran van der Sloot, who is sentenced to 28 years in prison, and apparently live in a golden prison surrounded by other psychopaths blinding enjoy that as he lives.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.24horas.com.pe/panorama/locales/99409-el-juicio-final-de-joran-van-der-sloot

Video with article has footage I have not seen before



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 16, 2012, 11:10:43 AM
Joran lawyer expects appeal

 Last Updated: January 16, 2012 9:32 info. AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot is almost certainly going to appeal against his sentence to 28 years in prison for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores.

 "I expect that Joran will walk this road," said his lawyer Jose Jimenez Navarro. Monday is a decision on, does the lawyer.

 The lawyer, Van der Sloot was last Friday after the meeting said. Subsequently, the Dutch moved from the Miguel Castro Castro prison to Piedras Gordas prison in northern Lima.

 Here, according to the Peruvian department of the prison regime a stricter rule than in his old stomping ground. As Van der Sloot would have had privileges.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2715979/advocaat-joran-van-sloot-verwacht-hoger-beroep.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 16, 2012, 11:23:55 AM
"When I talk with the media, Joran is punished"

 ::snipping2::

"I want to process, but I do not know when. I can not be gone forever because of my work, "let Mary know Hamer by telephone from her home in Florida Amerilcaanse. Hammer radiologist in Lake City. She received her patients in a practice that she shares with several doctors, if shows you the number of her work rotates. That number is fairly easy to detect if you google on Mary Hammer, radiologist and Lake City, Florida. Mary Hammer Revue is to speak from her office and gives her home phone for an interview. But then there is a hitch: the talk show star of CNN reporter Anderson Cooper's agreement to sign them until January 15 with no other journalist talk, she tells the agreed time for the interview. Im so sorry, "it sounds on the other side of the line. And she means it. She rattles on five journalists who had promised them an interview and she loves it, all this attention. But not all goes through. Revu that a Dutch medium, Anderson Cooper has also not relent, said a disappointed Hamer. Apparently it pays the prestigious talk show and therefore stipulates exclusivity. If we are reports of recent times to be believed, is welcome, because Mary Hamer was broke because of the thousands of dollars they have for Joran van der Sloot's defense spending. Mary Hamer's articulate and very friendly. It is a somewhat ethereal woman who does not quickly loses control. Joran knows them since the Natalee Holloway case, but how they met Van der Sloot has said she did not. She is undoubtedly the mysterious woman - which Peruvian media at the beginning of Van der Sloot's detention scurried - who visited him in his cell and took things for him.

 ::snipping2::

Mary Hammer was based on her meetings with Van der Sloot could tell you more, but it does not. "Joran is punished when I talk with the media. In the Peruvian media, I can not say any more anyway. That his lawyer has told me. This is very much to be. "When it is all over, there is at least time for her thorough Gandhi therapy.

http://www.revu.nl/2012/01/16/archief-als-ik-met-de-media-praat-wordt-joran-gestraft/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 16, 2012, 11:28:31 AM
"Extradition to U.S. Joran is difficult '
 Joran van der Sloot was in Peru Friday sentenced to a term of 28 years for the murder of Stephany Flores. Beth Holloway, mother of missing Natalee from Alabama, hoping like many other Americans that Van der Sloot is now rapidly being extradited to the U.S. so he can be tried in America. Whether this will happen is another matter.

 ::snipping2::

"We are totally at the mercy of the benevolence of the Peruvian government," says former Judge John Carroll from the American news WBRC. "The extradition can now only be settled through diplomatic channels through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs," said Carroll. The court is likely that the Peruvian government only wants to talk to as Van der Sloot has served his sentence. "

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3123488/2012/01/16/Uitlevering-Joran-van-der-Sloot-aan-VS-wordt-lastig.dhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 16, 2012, 11:30:44 AM
Joran lawyer expects appeal

 Last Updated: January 16, 2012 9:32 info. AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot is almost certainly going to appeal against his sentence to 28 years in prison for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores.

 "I expect that Joran will walk this road," said his lawyer Jose Jimenez Navarro. Monday is a decision on, does the lawyer.

 The lawyer, Van der Sloot was last Friday after the meeting said. Subsequently, the Dutch moved from the Miguel Castro Castro prison to Piedras Gordas prison in northern Lima.

 Here, according to the Peruvian department of the prison regime a stricter rule than in his old stomping ground. As Van der Sloot would have had privileges.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2715979/advocaat-joran-van-sloot-verwacht-hoger-beroepht.html

Appeal coming right up!

(http://photo-dictionary.com/photofiles/list/3273/4354banana_peel.jpg)
Credit:  Shutterstock


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 16, 2012, 11:33:11 AM
Joran lawyer expects appeal

 Last Updated: January 16, 2012 9:32 info. AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot is almost certainly going to appeal against his sentence to 28 years in prison for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores.

 "I expect that Joran will walk this road," said his lawyer Jose Jimenez Navarro. Monday is a decision on, does the lawyer.

 The lawyer, Van der Sloot was last Friday after the meeting said. Subsequently, the Dutch moved from the Miguel Castro Castro prison to Piedras Gordas prison in northern Lima.

 Here, according to the Peruvian department of the prison regime a stricter rule than in his old stomping ground. As Van der Sloot would have had privileges.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2715979/advocaat-joran-van-sloot-verwacht-hoger-beroepht.html

Appeal coming right up!

(http://photo-dictionary.com/photofiles/list/3273/4354banana_peel.jpg)
Credit:  Shutterstock


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 16, 2012, 11:34:24 AM
Joran come away with extortion Holloway family?

According to Algemeen Dagblad could Joran extradition to the United States ever escape. Extremely bad news, of course.

Indeed, when he is extradited is particularly likely to be a good number of years to get his pants for extortion by the family of Natalee Holloway. Although he is sentenced to 28 years cell in Peru, but he's probably only a part of it (something with good behavior, etc.).

Should he be tried in the U.S., then he launched when he was undoubtedly a very old man that no one - especially innocent women - can cause harm.

But so could sometimes be problematic. Very difficult even. The reason? They want him in America not prosecute for the murder of Holloway, but to blackmail her parents.

 ::snipping2::

This would really be a great shame. Not only because Van der Sloot should be locked up as long as possible, but also because he simply has to be punished for his crimes. He has the parents of a murdered girl (or at least: a missing girl [before we receive emails from his lawyers]), extorting, he promised to them to ease their worries if they would give him some barrels. This gave them hope, hope that this chapter in their lives, they finally were able to close, they could have security and their daughter were appropriate (re-) burial.

http://www.dagelijksestandaard.nl/2012/01/komt-joran-weg-met-afpersing-familie-holloway


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2012, 11:49:52 AM
Where did the funds originated ... the funds to underwrite Joran van der Sloot's lifestyle within the walls of Miguel Castro Castro since June, 2010?  Maybe Ricardo Flores own investigation will shed some light on the issue today.

Janet

+++++


Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM


<snipped>

The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.

"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.

<snipped>

http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 16, 2012, 12:37:39 PM
http://www.jdjournal.com/2012/01/16/joran-van-der-sloot-sentenced-to-28-years-in-prison/

Joran van der Sloot Sentenced to 28 Years in Prison
Monday, January 16, 2012

 ::snipping2::

“Losing the person that one loves most is not fair,” Ricardo Flores, the father of the victim, said. “On Monday, through our attorneys, we will be calling a press conference to let you know all the irregularities and all the things that have occurred during this trial [and] from the day this person has been arrested.”

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2012, 12:49:26 PM
http://www.jdjournal.com/2012/01/16/joran-van-der-sloot-sentenced-to-28-years-in-prison/

Joran van der Sloot Sentenced to 28 Years in Prison
Monday, January 16, 2012

 ::snipping2::

“Losing the person that one loves most is not fair,” Ricardo Flores, the father of the victim, said. “On Monday, through our attorneys, we will be calling a press conference to let you know all the irregularities and all the things that have occurred during this trial [and] from the day this person has been arrested.”

 ::snipping2::


Thanks Grace.

What is revealed in this press conference should be very interesting.  The question is what forces with power and finances are behind the "irregularities" that are benefiting Joran van der Sloot?  Inquiring minds want to know.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2012, 12:53:28 PM
http://www.jdjournal.com/2012/01/16/joran-van-der-sloot-sentenced-to-28-years-in-prison/

Joran van der Sloot Sentenced to 28 Years in Prison
Monday, January 16, 2012

 ::snipping2::

“Losing the person that one loves most is not fair,” Ricardo Flores, the father of the victim, said. “On Monday, through our attorneys, we will be calling a press conference to let you know all the irregularities and all the things that have occurred during this trial [and] from the day this person has been arrested.”

 ::snipping2::






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2012, 01:14:06 PM
He will be getting many more years.imo

Not in peru. People are doing the math and I'm reading... with good-time and the 2:1 work/study benefit he could be out in 5 1/2 years. I'm angry.

28 years sentence
- 18 years (serves 1/3 sentence)
- 2 years (participates in education program first four years of sentence)
- 18 months pre-trial confinement
======================
5 1/2 years



NANCY GRACE
Joran Pleads Guilty to Murder in Peru
Aired January 11, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: ... Van Der Sloot yawning and laughing in court. What about it, Jane?

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST, "ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL": Well, I think that this was all highly orchestrated and it was a big farce, and he knew exactly what was going to happen when he walked into court. And there was some kind of behind-the-scenes deal.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/11/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 16, 2012, 02:14:56 PM
http://www.jdjournal.com/2012/01/16/joran-van-der-sloot-sentenced-to-28-years-in-prison/

Joran van der Sloot Sentenced to 28 Years in Prison
Monday, January 16, 2012

 ::snipping2::

“Losing the person that one loves most is not fair,” Ricardo Flores, the father of the victim, said. “On Monday, through our attorneys, we will be calling a press conference to let you know all the irregularities and all the things that have occurred during this trial [and] from the day this person has been arrested.”

 ::snipping2::


Thanks Grace.

What is revealed in this press conference should be very interesting.  The question is what forces with power and finances are behind the "irregularities" that are benefiting Joran van der Sloot?  Inquiring minds want to know.

Janet

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2012, 02:21:16 PM
Joran van der Sloot is evil personified.  How many more broken lives will this monster tidal wave leave in his wake before actual justice prevails ... actual justice that demands that that the scale balances.

Janet

+++++


Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST


<snipped>

After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

“Mr. Flores wants peace for his family. The damage is done and it is beyond repair,” he continued.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;topic=12557.260;num_replies=274


Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 1:  It's early morning, and the house is quiet.  I'm still lying in bed, eyes closed.  I don't want to open them, because when I do, I'll have to face the day I've dreaded the most for the past twenty months.  Today I have to pack up Natalee's things for the last time.  Today I will have to say the final good-bye.  And I'm not ready.

Eyes still closed, I hear an occasional car pass in front of the house.  Another one stops across the street, and I hear the car door open, letting music and cheerful muffled voices escape for a moment.  Then close again.  The stillness in the house is interrupted by the harmonious tapping of little paws as Macy the dog and Carl the cat move across the hardwood floors.  Stopping for a moment.  Then tapping again.  The cold morning brings the sounds of life's activities as people step into another day of their routines.

Maybe if I don't open my eyes this day will just pass and I won't have to face what I have to do.  The painful inevitable chore that has been looming over me since my beautiful daughter, Natalee disappeared on the last night of her senior high school trip to Aruba.  The day has come to take her room apart and box it up.  I have to go through her belongings, which have remained untouched since she left home on May 26, 2005.  The movers will be here day after tomorrow.

Nothing of my life before Natalee disappeared in Aruba has remained intact.  Not my career.  Not my home.  Not my marriage.  My husband, Jug, and I are divorcing after six years.  My son, Natalee's younger brother, Matt, and I are moving in two days.

s.t. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2012, 02:29:15 PM
Continued

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 1:  I have a lot to do.  I manage to swing my legs off the bed and sit up.  Reluctantly, I open my eyes and sit on the edge for a few moments.  I feel like concrete.  Heavy.  Very heavy.  Finally I stand up and slowly walk a half dozen steps or so down the short hall and turn right at Natalee's bedroom doorway ...

Page 16:  I'm glad I'm alone to recount the events that have brought me to this place on this morning, preparing to pack up and leave this house and Mountain Brook. Standing in the doorway of Natalee's room, I unwillingly step inside to the center of it, look around slowly, take it all in. In what feels like slow motion, I bend my knees until they touch the floor, rest my hands on the light cream-colored rug in front of me, and roll over onto my right side. Curling up in a fetal position, my head tucked down, arms crossing over my chest, I close my eyes again. And the cry I have fought off for almost two years finally comes. The final good-bye cry. And it comes hard. From somewhere deep, deep inside me. And it feels as if it will never stop. As if the pain can never be contained again.

s.t.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2012, 02:54:48 PM
http://youtu.be/gGti1JjBKb4

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01152012_YT_01a.png)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01152012_YT.png)

Estimado Jimenez:
Si usted necesita el dinero de la fianza $74,000 a pagar una multa a la corte en nombre de Joran, por favor utilice ese dinero para pagar la multa.

Google translation:

Dear Jay:
If you need bail money to pay a $ 74,000 fine to the court on behalf of Joran, please use that money to pay the fine.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01152012_YT_02.png)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01152012_YT_02a.png)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01152012_YT_02b.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 16, 2012, 02:56:17 PM
Joran van der Sloot is evil personified.  How many more broken lives will this monster tidal wave leave in his wake before actual justice prevails ... actual justice that demands that that the scale balances.

Janet




"We've been dealing with her death for the last six and a half years," her father, Dave Holloway, said after Thursday's hearing in Birmingham, Alabama.

He said the judge's order there on his daughter's death closes one chapter in the ordeal, but added: "We've still got a long way to go to get justice."

http://www.caribbeanbusinesspr.com/news03.php?nt_id=66811&ct_id=4

It ain't over until the COWBOYS say its over, Joran.  You can bet the ranch on that!

Come to Alabama, we have a nice little hell-hole, errrr, cell, all ready and waiting to serve you up some justice, Alabammy style.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 16, 2012, 03:04:25 PM
]

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01152012_YT_02b.png)

Mary Hamer seems to e as volatile and unstable as Joran.  First she sends the money and tells them to use the money for bail, or in any way they see fit.  Then she demands it back, giving them an ultimatum, that if it is not returned by a certain date/time, she will notify the media.  And she does just that - tells the media all about the money and the perks Joran had at Castro Castro.

Tell us more Auntie Mary...



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2012, 03:08:57 PM
I have put my entire day on hold.  Turned down an invite for a cuppa tea and an apple fritter at our Tim Hortons.  It is 3:00 PM in Peru.  Any Peruvian media reports in regards to a press conference by Ricardo Flores (attorney)?  Grace?  Northern Rose?

Janet
1:00 PM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on January 16, 2012, 03:19:34 PM
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Natalee%20Holloway%20-Aruba%20---%20Stephany%20Flores%20-Peru/?action=view&current=1-marynutz12-1.jpg

Not quite sure how to add a huge picture here, probably just best to click this link. From that vid, I made a collage of the emails.

I don't know what to make of this woman. Well, besides unbalanced.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2012, 03:33:12 PM
It was a given prior to the sentencing that Mary Hamer would never see her $75,000 again.  A $75,000 judgement against Joran van der Sloot?  Coincidence?  I don't think so.

Mary Hamer who obviously has issues was taken advantage of big-time and ... it will happen again if there is no professional counselling.

Janet

+++++

Van der Sloot Sentenced to 28 Years
Friday, Jan. 13, 2012


(LIMA, Peru) — A Peruvian court on Friday sentenced Joran van der Sloot to 28 years in prison for murder of a young woman he met at a Lima casino, even as the family of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway sought to have him prosecuted in the U.S. over her disappearance in 2005.

The decision comes two days after the young Dutchman pleaded guilty to killing Stephany Flores, a 21-year-old business student.
 
The court also ordered him to pay $75,000 in reparations to the family of the 21-year-old victim.

<snipped>

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2104447,00.html


NANCY GRACE
Joran Pleads Guilty to Murder in Peru
Aired January 11, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: ... Van Der Sloot yawning and laughing in court. What about it, Jane?

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST, "ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL": Well, I think that this was all highly orchestrated and it was a big farce, and he knew exactly what was going to happen when he walked into court. And there was some kind of behind-the-scenes deal.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/11/ng.01.html




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 16, 2012, 03:45:54 PM
http://www.wptmag.com/news.php?articleID=337
“Professional Poker Player” Van Der Sloot Gets 28 Year Sentence
January 16, 2012

Self-described professional poker player Joran Van Der Sloot has been sentenced to 28 years in prison after he was found guilty of the murder of Stephany Flores, who he met while travelling in Peru.

It has been speculated that Van Der Sloot had travelled to Lima to play in the Latin American Poker Tour and had met Flores in the Peruvian capital’s main casino shortly before the time of her death.

Though listing poker as a full-time occupation, Van Der Sloot does not have any major live tournament results listed in any online database, though he has been known to travel around the world to take part in events.

He is also no stranger to police inquiry, having previously been listed as the prime suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway in 2005 and been held by detectives twice for questioning during the investigation.
More...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2012, 03:53:02 PM
http://www.jdjournal.com/2012/01/16/joran-van-der-sloot-sentenced-to-28-years-in-prison/

Joran van der Sloot Sentenced to 28 Years in Prison
Monday, January 16, 2012

 ::snipping2::

“Losing the person that one loves most is not fair,” Ricardo Flores, the father of the victim, said. “On Monday, through our attorneys, we will be calling a press conference to let you know all the irregularities and all the things that have occurred during this trial [and] from the day this person has been arrested.”

 ::snipping2::


Waiting for Justice...

(Ricardo and Enrique Flores)

http://noticias.terra.es/fotos/actualidad/fichafoto.aspx?itemurl=/2012/mundo/0106/fotos-media/peru-justicia-juicio-contra-el-holandes-joran-van-der-sloot-15

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01062012_FloresFamilyWaitsForJustice.png)

(Screen shot I took from live feed outside the court)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01052012aa-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 16, 2012, 03:57:54 PM
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/Article/Detail.aspx?articleid=DMF20120116_195

Google translation

Joran Van der Sloot would be declared void sentence
Monday, January 16, 2012, 9:12 p.m.

Joran is the verdict of the Peruvian court, who sentenced Friday to 28 years in prison for the murder of Stephany Flores, be declared invalid. His lawyer, Jose Navarro Jiménez, said that he agreed with Van der Sloot has come.
 The need for counsel to the Peruvian Supreme Court annulled. Therefore he founded a letter within ten days to the highest legal authority for this type of control in Peru. "The judges have not his first confession valued," the lawyer argues.

The lawyer is expected by April confirmation as to get the Supreme Court. The annulment is different from an appeal that Jimenez also considered. This would serve the same court and could only lead to a lower punishment.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: klaasend on January 16, 2012, 04:08:18 PM
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/Article/Detail.aspx?articleid=DMF20120116_195

Google translation

Joran Van der Sloot would be declared void sentence
Monday, January 16, 2012, 9:12 p.m.

Joran is the verdict of the Peruvian court, who sentenced Friday to 28 years in prison for the murder of Stephany Flores, be declared invalid. His lawyer, Jose Navarro Jiménez, said that he agreed with Van der Sloot has come.
 The need for counsel to the Peruvian Supreme Court annulled. Therefore he founded a letter within ten days to the highest legal authority for this type of control in Peru. "The judges have not his first confession valued," the lawyer argues.

The lawyer is expected by April confirmation as to get the Supreme Court. The annulment is different from an appeal that Jimenez also considered. This would serve the same court and could only lead to a lower punishment.

 ::snipping2::


 ::justice2NJ::  FAT CHANCE  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 16, 2012, 04:09:23 PM
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/Article/Detail.aspx?articleid=DMF20120116_195

Google translation

Joran Van der Sloot would be declared void sentence



Obviously, Joran is unhappy!   ::MonkeyDance::

At least he can't appeal his own decision to plead guilty!

His ship is sinking and he's scrambling to get off.  I don't expect anything to come out of these appeals, except to keep his name in the media, and delay his extradition to the US.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2012, 04:13:04 PM
It appears that this delusional/lonely woman whose past involvements/activities indicate she is desperately seeking a sense of self-worth in life has been dispicably used/taken advantaged by Joran and his enablers.  Maybe this experience which has cost Mary Hamer on so many levels will be the catalyst to a new beginning ... a new beginning that includes professional counselling.  It is my hope that Mary Hamer will be reconciled with her family.  At this point in time ... she desperately needs advocates looking out for her best interest.

Janet

+++++


Florida Radiologist Champions Suspect in Holloway, Flores
Dec. 13, 2011


<snipped>

Sheila Eisenberg, the author of Women Who Love Men Who Kill, writes "These women are willing to sacrifice everything for the sake of a love without hope or promise, or consummation, and they welcome the sacrifice because it means that they and their feelings are worthy."

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-doctor-champions-natalee-holloway-suspect-joran-van/story?id=15145035



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 16, 2012, 04:13:58 PM
http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2012/januari/16/familie-flores-tevreden

Google translation

Flores family happy
posted:
 16.01.2012 - 21.30
 last updated:
 16.01.2012 - 21.30

The family of Stephany Flores welcomed the transfer of Joran van der Sloot to the Piedras Gordas prison. That said their lawyer Edward Alvarez. The family wanted to announce to the press Monday in what 'luxury' conditions Joran lived in his former prison. This does not make it through.

Van der Sloot was Friday, after his sentence of 28 years in prison had listened to the heavily guarded prison in Piedras Gordas northern Lima transferred. According to the department for the Peruvian prison he going to face a stricter regime. The Peruvian press reports had come out that he was an iPhone, a Blu-ray player and a flat screen television in his cell in the Miguel Castro Castro prison had.

Local media reported this weekend that Van der Sloot 24 hours a day guarded by two officers in the new jail. He was in an area of ​​three by four meters several hours a day can walk around. Four times a week he can receive visitors. This regime would apply until a cell block is assigned by the prison authorities.

 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2012, 04:21:35 PM
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/Article/Detail.aspx?articleid=DMF20120116_195

Google translation

Joran Van der Sloot would be declared void sentence
Monday, January 16, 2012, 9:12 p.m.

Joran is the verdict of the Peruvian court, who sentenced Friday to 28 years in prison for the murder of Stephany Flores, be declared invalid. His lawyer, Jose Navarro Jiménez, said that he agreed with Van der Sloot has come.
 The need for counsel to the Peruvian Supreme Court annulled. Therefore he founded a letter within ten days to the highest legal authority for this type of control in Peru. "The judges have not his first confession valued," the lawyer argues.

The lawyer is expected by April confirmation as to get the Supreme Court. The annulment is different from an appeal that Jimenez also considered. This would serve the same court and could only lead to a lower punishment.

 ::snipping2::


 ::justice2NJ::  FAT CHANCE  ::MonkeyCool::

I agree, they "devalued" that first confession from the time he made it...the usual Joran MO.  Well he can't have it both ways.  Besides that confession was not complete, it was not a "sincere confession" since he LIED; and the computer analysis would have proven that if he had not chosen the speedy route (the route that wouldn't prove ALL OF HIS LIES with the evidence brought forward in a trial) and pleaded guilty.  He knew when he pleaded guilty that he could receive 30 years, and he should just be thankful that he was given two years less!  I really believe a trial may have brought him a life sentence and that's really what he deserved.  POS!

jmo



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 16, 2012, 04:25:46 PM
]

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01152012_YT_02b.png)

Mary Hamer seems to e as volatile and unstable as Joran.  First she sends the money and tells them to use the money for bail, or in any way they see fit.  Then she demands it back, giving them an ultimatum, that if it is not returned by a certain date/time, she will notify the media.  And she does just that - tells the media all about the money and the perks Joran had at Castro Castro.

Tell us more Auntie Mary...



By Mary Hamer

03 February, 2009
Countercurrents.org

THE QUESTION about HOMO SAPIENS:

Has the human race been “wise” -- as the name Homo Sapiens suggests?

 ::snipping2::

I think the human race has been batting them outta the park compared to I. Mary Hamer lately. Joran, use the money in any way that you and Mr. Jiminez see fit? ::MonkeyNoNo::

When I hear wind chimes, I will think of your money, I. Mary Hamer. ::MonkeyAngel::

She is so lonely and in need of attention. Such a pity. So, she injects herself as a savior... of kittens, doggies, cows, Indians, and Joran.

The same Joran that killed his own dog.

The same Joran that killed a itty bitty sweet Natalee.

The same Joran that killed a itty bitty sweet Stephany.

She has the intelligence to be a doctor. She is articulate. She has her own recording studio. Yet, no common sense.

Feel sorry for her? Forget it. My pencil needs sharpening. I've got stuff to do. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 16, 2012, 04:29:50 PM

I agree, they "devalued" that first confession from the time he made it...the usual Joran MO.  Well he can't have it both ways. 

The first confession, the one he tried to have thrown out anyway?  The one he supposedly signed with a small J as he winked at the translator?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2012, 04:37:47 PM

I agree, they "devalued" that first confession from the time he made it...the usual Joran MO.  Well he can't have it both ways. 

The first confession, the one he tried to have thrown out anyway?  The one he supposedly signed with a small J as he winked at the translator?

Yeppers, he thought the same type tricks he and his Papa pulled in Aruba would work in Peru.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 16, 2012, 04:53:46 PM

I agree, they "devalued" that first confession from the time he made it...the usual Joran MO.  Well he can't have it both ways. 

The first confession, the one he tried to have thrown out anyway?  The one he supposedly signed with a small J as he winked at the translator?

Yeppers, he thought the same type tricks he and his Papa pulled in Aruba would work in Peru.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Bit him in the butt this time.  I'm lovin' it!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 16, 2012, 04:57:40 PM


When I hear wind chimes, I will think of your money, I. Mary Hamer. ::MonkeyAngel::


I will have to remember that when I hear the wind chimes too.

A fool and their money are soon parted.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 16, 2012, 05:09:27 PM

I agree, they "devalued" that first confession from the time he made it...the usual Joran MO.  Well he can't have it both ways. 

The first confession, the one he tried to have thrown out anyway?  The one he supposedly signed with a small J as he winked at the translator?

Yeppers, he thought the same type tricks he and his Papa pulled in Aruba would work in Peru.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Bit him in the butt this time
.  I'm lovin' it!!

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 16, 2012, 06:10:21 PM
How unusual for judges to not be baffled by a liar.  If there is more than one confession, than go with the evidence and ignore the liar.  Maybe they should send their "I'm no dummy" outline to Aruba.  Silence followed by many lies does not equal innocent.  He didn't confuse me one bit.  I don't know how he baffles Aruba....unless of course they were looking for an out.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 16, 2012, 06:15:01 PM
You've probably seen this before, but it bears being seen again.
Edit to snip the article.  We can only post the link and partial article.  MB

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627/ns/today-today_people/t/holloway-attorney-details-van-der-sloot-sting/#.TxSqCXrNmdk

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting

By Mike Celizic
TODAY.com contributor
updated 6/11/2010 12:58:39 PM ET

Joran van der Sloot was so desperate for money that $100 — with only a promise of more to come — was all he needed to further an FBI sting operation and spark a chain of events that ended with him confessing to a Peruvian woman's savage death, according to the lawyer who provided the funds.

In a TODAY exclusive, John Q. Kelly, an attorney for Natalee Holloway's mother, offered new details about the sting operation that likely allowed van der Sloot to flee Aruba for Peru.

Van der Sloot has been suspected almost from the beginning of being responsible for Natalee Holloway’s disappearance in Aruba five years ago, and Thursday, Peruvian police told NBC News that he admitted knowing the location of Holloway’s remains. They added that he was willing to tell authorities in Aruba where to find the Alabama teenager’s remains.

In March, van der Sloot reached out to Kelly, demanding $250,000 from Holloway’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, in exchange for leading Kelly to the teenager’s remains, Kelly told TODAY.

Kelly said that when van der Sloot contacted him, he did not think he was going to learn the truth. His feelings, he said, were, “skepticism, caution, assuming everything he was going to tell me was false — but I had to understandably think that it might be true, also; so approach it very carefully and keep communicating.”

Kelly agreed to meet van der Sloot alone and brought no money — angering the suspect. Kelly then called the FBI to set up a sting, telling TODAY it only took $100 to convince van der Sloot to start talking with him again.

'A win-win situation'
Kelly said he ultimately decided he couldn’t lose by playing along with van der Sloot's demands for money in exchange for revealing the location of Holloway's remains.

“It was a win-win situation. He was either going to pay the money, and if the information turned out to be true, Beth would get closure, she’d bring Natalie home. Assuming it was false, it would be extortion and wire fraud once falsehoods are proven. Either way, he’d be boxed in,” Kelly told TODAY. Kelly said van der Sloot wanted $25,000 up front, with the rest to be provided when the remains were recovered and proven to be Holloway’s, Kelly said.

So Kelly went to Aruba in April to meet with van der Sloot without telling anyone but his own wife and Twitty. He met van der Sloot for about two hours in a hotel.

 ::snipping2::
~~~~~

I believe that Joran does know where Natalee is.  Taco said Aruba would go to Lima, but they never did.  Now, since his sentencing, Aruba says they are going to interview him.  I believe Aruba already knows where Natalee is.

JQK has been indispensable in helping Beth in her fight for Justice for Natalee.  God Bless Him!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 16, 2012, 06:16:26 PM
Mary Hamer is old enough to learn that not all people return love and respect.  The two items do not heal those players.  Some people do not play by the social rule book.  She needs to listen to Anderson Cooper.

I thought it interesting that Joran quoted Camus' The Fall. I believe Paulus described his situation as the same.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 16, 2012, 06:38:30 PM
http://www.elsevier.nl/web/Nieuws/Nederland/327886/Joran-van-der-Sloot-wil-vonnis-nietig-laten-verklaren.htm

Google translation

Joran will be declared invalid verdict
Monday, January 16, 2012 11:24 p.m.

Dutchman convicted for the murder Joran is the verdict of the court in the Peruvian capital Lima to declare null and void. The court sentenced him Friday to 28 years in prison for the murder of Stephany Flores
 ::snipping2::
confession
Jiménez to the Peruvian Supreme Court to annul. He must be made within ten days a reasoned letter to the highest legal authority in the South American country. The lawyer says that the courts first confession Van der Sloot never estimated value.

Jimenez is expected by April to get conclusive on the request of Van der Sloot. The annulment is no appeal. It has also considered the lawyer, but he sees it from there. An appeal would prevent the same court and can only lead to reduced sentence.

visits
The lawyer says his client is well established and is always positive. He visited him in prison Pierdas Gordas. He wanted Van der Sloot earlier visits, but this was denied him in their own words.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 16, 2012, 08:03:15 PM
http://www.brabantsdagblad.nl/algemeen/bdbinnenland/10278383/Schuldigverklaring-Joran-onhandig.ece

Google translation

"Joran guilty clumsy '
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 | 1:20

LIMA (Reuters) - Joran van der Sloot was not guilty of the charge of the prosecution. That is his former Peruvian lawyer Máximo Altez Monday against the ANP said.

According Altez is unlikely that the complaint is assigned to the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights, now he has declared himself guilty. Joran rights as a suspect in Peru would be harmed.

However Altez still sees opportunities for the complaint that Joran rights as a suspect in the arrest and expulsion from Chile have been violated. ,, Chile to extradite him, and that takes five or six months. They had him just over the border may move, "said Altez.

The lawyer believes that Van der Sloot has been misled, even by the pressure of the media, who had been convicted. ,, He was afraid he could get 35 years or more if he would declare himself not guilty, because they might condemn him for murder.  ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2012, 08:14:33 PM
How unusual for judges to not be baffled by a liar.  If there is more than one confession, than go with the evidence and ignore the liar.  Maybe they should send their "I'm no dummy" outline to Aruba.  Silence followed by many lies does not equal innocent.  He didn't confuse me one bit.  I don't know how he baffles Aruba....unless of course they were looking for an out.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2012, 08:40:08 PM
O/T

RE:  Robyn Gardner missing in Aruba

Richard Forester is supposed to be on Levi Page's show in about 25 minutes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12030.msg1503755#msg1503755


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 16, 2012, 08:52:47 PM
O/T

RE:  Robyn Gardner missing in Aruba

Richard Forester is supposed to be on Levi Page's show in about 25 minutes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12030.msg1503755#msg1503755

Thank you texasmom. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 16, 2012, 09:18:04 PM
Well, the commnets on that link that Janet psoted were pretty bad about Mary.
..
Regardless, she is enabling him. She gave him the money, he has a fine that a portion had to be paid for before he is released. She wanted to do a ten year Ghandi program with him, whatever that is. Was she going to keep him in her prison because Joran would have no respect for Ghandi unless he was the best poker player in the world. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 16, 2012, 09:18:50 PM
Mary "nutso" Hamer needs to sign herself up for some serious counselling.  She obviously has more money than sense and I do wonder about the professionals who have to work with her and their version of her personality.

Adding that IMO Mahatma Gandhi would be turning over in his grave at the thought of his name and beliefs being used to support a cold blooded murderer.

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 16, 2012, 09:35:32 PM
http://www.brabantsdagblad.nl/algemeen/bdbinnenland/10278383/Schuldigverklaring-Joran-onhandig.ece

Google translation

"Joran guilty clumsy '
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 | 1:20

LIMA (Reuters) - Joran van der Sloot was not guilty of the charge of the prosecution. That is his former Peruvian lawyer Máximo Altez Monday against the ANP said.

According Altez is unlikely that the complaint is assigned to the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights, now he has declared himself guilty. Joran rights as a suspect in Peru would be harmed.

However Altez still sees opportunities for the complaint that Joran rights as a suspect in the arrest and expulsion from Chile have been violated. ,, Chile to extradite him, and that takes five or six months. They had him just over the border may move, "said Altez.

The lawyer believes that Van der Sloot has been misled, even by the pressure of the media, who had been convicted. ,, He was afraid he could get 35 years or more if he would declare himself not guilty, because they might condemn him for murder.  ::snipping2::



Oh  puhleeze!

At trial is for the truly innocent to show they are innocent b/c the prosecutors lack enough evidence to prove them guilty.

He plead guilty of his own free will, and that  was because he thought he could manipulate his way into a lighter sentence.  If he was listening to any bad advice, it was the little monsters in his head.

He doesn't appear to have ever listened to anyone his whole life, so why start right before his trial? He's always  done whatever Joran wanted to do. And when it didn't work out, he blamed it on everyone else.  So now he's blaming us???


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 17, 2012, 01:11:26 AM
Joran Van Der Sloot, by his own actions, put himself where he is. I'm sick of his constant crybaby victimization line.

You break the law, you suffer the consequences, you big jerk.  He needs to stop thinking he is smarter than everyone else, and then crying victim.

Mary Hamer, technically a victim, in reality, a stupid ass, dumb broad.  You need mental help, chick.

I'm very interested in what Ricardo Flores was able to uncover at Castro Castro.  Has there been any word yet?





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 17, 2012, 01:50:13 AM
Joran Van Der Sloot, by his own actions, put himself where he is. I'm sick of his constant crybaby victimization line.

You break the law, you suffer the consequences, you big jerk.  He needs to stop thinking he is smarter than everyone else, and then crying victim.

Mary Hamer, technically a victim, in reality, a stupid ass, dumb broad.  You need mental help, chick.

I'm very interested in what Ricardo Flores was able to uncover at Castro Castro.  Has there been any word yet?





BBM

Monkey King, look at Reply #290 post.  The family is happy that he was transferred to another prison without his "toys" and privileges!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 17, 2012, 02:47:00 AM
Joran Van Der Sloot, by his own actions, put himself where he is. I'm sick of his constant crybaby victimization line.

You break the law, you suffer the consequences, you big jerk.  He needs to stop thinking he is smarter than everyone else, and then crying victim.

Mary Hamer, technically a victim, in reality, a stupid ass, dumb broad.  You need mental help, chick.

I'm very interested in what Ricardo Flores was able to uncover at Castro Castro.  Has there been any word yet?





I was with you until you started employing  Zerzetzen Psycho-Terror & Bullying/Mobbing techniques. Mary Hamer, M.D. inked a new international law that went into effect on Jan. 3, 2012. She did this all by herself, in her house!

I believe you have committed HUMANOCIDE, not once, but twice. Both on Joran and Mary.

----------
Humanocide: A New International Crime
And Human Rights Violation

By Mary Hamer

03 January, 2012
Countercurrents.org
-----------
You will be arrested by two people in tin hats with a pair of pink fuzzy handcuffs and driven away in a Chevy Volt.

You will be driven to Mary's house. (International Court)

You will have the right to watch a 42 inch lcd flatscreen tv.

You will be supplied with an I-Phone.

You will have complete access to her 401k and ten cartons of peppermint soap.

tee hee hee ::MonkeyHaHa::

Her door is not only off its hinges... I believe she has propped it up on two saw horses and is currently using it as a DESK.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2012, 02:51:00 AM
 ::MonkeyDevil::   ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 17, 2012, 02:57:11 AM
Joran Van Der Sloot, by his own actions, put himself where he is. I'm sick of his constant crybaby victimization line.

You break the law, you suffer the consequences, you big jerk.  He needs to stop thinking he is smarter than everyone else, and then crying victim.

Mary Hamer, technically a victim, in reality, a stupid ass, dumb broad. You need mental help, chick.

I'm very interested in what Ricardo Flores was able to uncover at Castro Castro.  Has there been any word yet?





I was with you until you started employing  Zerzetzen Psycho-Terror & Bullying/Mobbing techniques. Mary Hamer, M.D. inked a new international law that went into effect on Jan. 3, 2012. She did this all by herself, in her house!

I believe you have committed HUMANOCIDE, not once, but twice. Both on Joran and Mary.

----------
Humanocide: A New International Crime
And Human Rights Violation

By Mary Hamer

03 January, 2012
Countercurrents.org
-----------
You will be arrested by two people in tin hats with a pair of pink fuzzy handcuffs and driven away in a Chevy Volt.

You will be driven to Mary's house. (International Court)

You will have the right to watch a 42 inch lcd flatscreen tv.

You will be supplied with an I-Phone.

You will have complete access to her 401k and ten cartons of peppermint soap.

tee hee hee ::MonkeyHaHa::

Her door is not only off its hinges... I believe she has propped it up on two saw horses and is currently using it as a DESK.

That dog won't hunt   ::dogwag::

Hee hee!!

We need one of these with Mary in a dunce cap:  ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 17, 2012, 05:43:41 AM
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2823387/posts

(POST #42)

To: vetvetdoug
 

Unfortunately, this woman’s patients are veterans. She is a radiologist at the Lake City Florida VAMC. In the VA, physicians are given 5 weeks of vacation which comes in handy with her Peru trips.
 Interestingly, Dr. Hamer has no disciplinary violations. Her active license is in Florida and she has an inactive one in Alabama and a lapsed one in Michigan.
 
http://www.va.gov/providerinfo/NORTHFLORIDA/detail.asp?providerid=1382

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 17, 2012, 11:03:25 AM
http://www.refdag.nl/nieuws/binnenland/aruba_opgelucht_na_veroordeling_1_616280

Google translation

Aruba relieved after conviction
01.17.2012 11:37 | Armand Snijders

ORANGE CITY - In Aruba is great relief that the trial in Peru against Joran Friday after one week ended with a conviction. For Van der Sloot is especially big news in the United States by the disappearance of the teen Nathalee Holloway, five years ago. And that has huge implications for tourism on the Caribbean island.

"Fortunately, the circus temporarily over again," sighs Isaac Mansur, owner of a luxury apartment complex just outside the Aruban capital Oranjestad. Last week, he has disturbed the huge U.S. media attention for Joran van der Sloot. "There were even American journalists on the island to see how we Arubans, glances at the trial in Peru. Especially to find out if we have not forgotten Nathalee Holloway. "
 ::snipping2::
According to Mansur, the effects of the "American overreaction" reaching. "I've been back a few days heard of cases where American tourists do not dare to go on the cruise because they are afraid and Aruba island to find a murder. That sounds ridiculous, but anyone who puts a foot on the island, makes no money. And feels that the tourism sector. In the months after the disappearance of Holloway, now five years ago, it was much worse. Americans canceled their trip or en masse decided a planned vacation to spend elsewhere. I took that tens of thousands of dollars turnover. "

By the court in Peru the issue was raked up again Nathalee Holloway, the Aruban extra bad. "We are experiencing the last two or three years, the impact of the crisis in the United States," says the owner of a souvenir shop in the heart of Oranjestad. The tourists will stay the well, but they have less money to spend. Previously they ran the store with bags full, now you can be happy if they take a cheap thing. You see it in the rental cars that they drive, which are small family cars instead of SUVs. Too much focus on Joran van der Sloot and Holloway Nathalee may be the final blow mean for businesses in the tourism sector. "

For now, however, the American media storm died down here. Al Mansur fears whether he intends to Van der Sloot to challenge his conviction. "Hopefully it blows over. Attention to Joran van der Sloot and the health of our tourism not just go together. "


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 17, 2012, 11:30:39 AM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627/ns/today-today_people/t/holloway-attorney-details-van-der-sloot-sting/#.TxSqCXrNmdk

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting

 ::snipping2::

He gave van der Sloot $10,000 in cash, establishing extortion, then had $15,000 of Twitty's personal money wired to van der Sloot’s bank account in the Netherlands, establishing wire fraud.


 ::snipping2::

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627/ns/today-today_people/t/holloway-attorney-details-van-der-sloot-sting/#.TxWXg3rNmdl

Video: Van der Sloot to reveal Holloway remains?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The beginning of the END for Joran.

Papa Sloot no longer alive to advise his son of the legalities, Joran stoopidly commits extortion and wire fraud.
Unfortunately, Aruba, aware of the sting operation, allows Joran to again go free.  And even more unfortunately, free to kill again.

So Peru knew early in Jorans incarceration, that Joran was responsible for not only Stephany but for NAH as well, and that he was a dangerous, manipulative, lying, murdering POS.

28 years reduced from the max of 30. Just enough shaved off to hopefully be upheld on appeal.

jmo





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 17, 2012, 11:39:54 AM
http://www.refdag.nl/nieuws/binnenland/aruba_opgelucht_na_veroordeling_1_616280

Google translation

Aruba relieved after conviction


Sounds like Aruba is still only concerned with their tourism.  They don't get that if they had done the right thing to start with, that the story may have never garnered the international spotlight it did.

They better buck up b/c more headlines are yet to come.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 17, 2012, 11:51:24 AM
http://www.hartvannederland.nl/nederland/2012/joran-van-der-sloot-wil-strafvermindering/

Joran wants reduced sentence
Updated: 17:00 pm

Joran wants sentences Joran has used the opportunity to appeal to, let his lawyer know. That does not mean that he formally appealed, because he must submit reasoning for this and he has ten days to do so.

His lawyer explains: "Joran said on Friday that he would retain the right to go against the punishment. Thus he could think about it this weekend, after everything that happened. And Monday was seen as 24 hours after delivery, because Saturday and Sunday do not count. 24 hours after delivery, we have a written request for appeal filed. "

 ::snipping2::

The filing of an appeal does not mean that the case appears again: "The hearings are not held again. It looked back to the punishment. We would not bring down the whole sentence. We only disagree with some points and we want it to be looked at. "


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 17, 2012, 11:54:59 AM
http://www.refdag.nl/nieuws/binnenland/aruba_opgelucht_na_veroordeling_1_616280

Google translation

Aruba relieved after conviction


Sounds like Aruba is still only concerned with their tourism.  They don't get that if they had done the right thing to start with, that the story may have never garnered the international spotlight it did.

They better buck up b/c more headlines are yet to come.

BBM

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Ono on January 17, 2012, 12:11:08 PM
http://www.refdag.nl/nieuws/binnenland/aruba_opgelucht_na_veroordeling_1_616280

Google translation

Aruba relieved after conviction


Sounds like Aruba is still only concerned with their tourism.  They don't get that if they had done the right thing to start with, that the story may have never garnered the international spotlight it did.

They better buck up b/c more headlines are yet to come.

Their indifference is just so insulting and mind-numbing.   There isn't even any surface pretense of caring for the welfare of tourists. Only their tourism stats.   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 17, 2012, 12:27:20 PM
Ricardo Flores: I think the sentence was not fair but we accept  VIDEO

brucevalladEl father of Stephany Flores also said it is very difficult to defend in Peru, he urged the authorities to provide better facilities for others not go through what he went
 The father of Stephany Flores, Ricardo Flores, said that the sentence the murderer of his daughter, Joran Van der Sloot, 'was not fair "but" we accept it anyway.' Similarly, said he "never felt he had lost his daughter '.

  ::snipping2::

He indicated that the first time I saw van der Sloot during the trial, was affected and had to retire. "I thought I'd beaten him again, lean, as anyone who thinks that happens to a man in jail. But there was more fat and proud, and would not listen to the authorities, "he said.

 He said 'never felt he had lost his daughter'. "What I feel I have lost is the body of my daughter. The soul of my daughter I have it with me, "he said.

 Finally, he asked reporters not to follow call to provide statements on the subject. Similarly, urged the authorities to 'other people do not go through what happened'. "It's very difficult to defend in Peru," said

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-17-ricardo-flores-creo-que-la-sentencia-no-fue-justa-pero-la-aceptamos-noticia_441503.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 17, 2012, 12:29:24 PM
Stephany Father Flores: "The sentence has not been the fairest"
 
 ::snipping2::

Although he confessed that he saw the Dutch indignant pride and selfless attitude, as if it were not affected by its previous closure now expected to go on a trip Flores with his family and close together wounds. Indeed, announced in the news TV show "90 Seconds" that I'm not talking about it with reporters.

 I'm not going to talk anymore about it with the press, I thank the support they have given me. Please do not call me again for this issue, "he said.

 Even he said, has asked his friends to not re-refer the case. "Let's pretend that did not happen, because it upsets me that I always come to me and my family, trying to support us, but we do more damage," said the businessman.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1362017/noticia-padre-stephany-flores-sentencia-no-ha-sido-mas-justa


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 17, 2012, 12:31:31 PM
Case against Joran Van der Sloot
 Stephany Father Flores: 'I've never felt I lost my daughter'

 Ricardo Flores gave his last statement to the media.

Ricardo Flores, father of Stephany Flores, believes that he does not feel the loss of her daughter. "What I feel I have lost is the body of my daughter. The soul of my daughter I have it with me, "he said.

 ::snipping2::

Similarly, he said that when he saw Van der Sloot thought him again beaten and skinny. "But I was more fat and proud, and would not listen to the authorities," he told news 90 seconds'.
 
 Finally, thanks for the support that the press had given the case and asked them not to continue calling for comment on the issue because you want to start mourning her daughter. He also called on the authorities to do a better job so that other people do not go through what he has passed. "It's very difficult to defend in Peru," he said.

http://www.larepublica.pe/17-01-2012/padre-de-stephany-flores-nunca-he-sentido-que-perdi-mi-hija


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2012, 01:53:11 PM
Case against Joran Van der Sloot
 Stephany Father Flores: 'I've never felt I lost my daughter'

 Ricardo Flores gave his last statement to the media.

Ricardo Flores, father of Stephany Flores, believes that he does not feel the loss of her daughter. "What I feel I have lost is the body of my daughter. The soul of my daughter I have it with me, "he said.

 ::snipping2::

Similarly, he said that when he saw Van der Sloot thought him again beaten and skinny. "But I was more fat and proud, and would not listen to the authorities," he told news 90 seconds'.
 
 Finally, thanks for the support that the press had given the case and asked them not to continue calling for comment on the issue because you want to start mourning her daughter. He also called on the authorities to do a better job so that other people do not go through what he has passed. "It's very difficult to defend in Peru," he said.

http://www.larepublica.pe/17-01-2012/padre-de-stephany-flores-nunca-he-sentido-que-perdi-mi-hija

What happened?

Janet

++++++

Monday's Press Conference

Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST

 
<snipped>

After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

“Mr. Flores wants peace for his family. The damage is done and it is beyond repair,” he continued.

<snipped>

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/13/van-der-sloot-gets-28-years-for-murder-in-peru.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2012, 01:54:48 PM
Northern Rose

Thanks for giving the forum a heads-up by posting the Peruvian articles.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2012, 02:55:27 PM

Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST

 
<snipped>

After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

“Mr. Flores wants peace for his family. The damage is done and it is beyond repair,” he continued.

<snipped>

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/13/van-der-sloot-gets-28-years-for-murder-in-peru.html


Monday's anticipated press conference did not happen ... the anticipated press conference that was to be held by Ricardo Flores regarding Joran van der Sloot's special privileges afforded by the Peruvian prison system from getgo.

Nevertheless ... it is my hope that Stephany Flores's father will take advantage of his unimaginable heartbreak ... take advantage of his influencial position in Peruvian society ... to be a voice for his daughter by exposing what he perceives as corruption within the Peruvian Justice System that has nothing to do with justice prevailing for the victim.

Janet

++++++++


My Pledge

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 189:    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.
 
Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.  I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

Pages 230:  I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not.  I know it doesn't look good.  But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss.  And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith.  It won't ever be the same.  But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.  The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.

s.t.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 17, 2012, 03:02:12 PM
Ricardo Flores: I think the sentence was not fair but we accept  VIDEO

brucevalladEl father of Stephany Flores also said it is very difficult to defend in Peru, he urged the authorities to provide better facilities for others not go through what he went
 The father of Stephany Flores, Ricardo Flores, said that the sentence the murderer of his daughter, Joran Van der Sloot, 'was not fair "but" we accept it anyway.' Similarly, said he "never felt he had lost his daughter '.

  ::snipping2::

He indicated that the first time I saw van der Sloot during the trial, was affected and had to retire.  "I thought I'd beaten him again, lean, as anyone who thinks that happens to a man in jail. But there was more fat and proud, and would not listen to the authorities, "he said

 He said 'never felt he had lost his daughter'. "What I feel I have lost is the body of my daughter. The soul of my daughter I have it with me, "he said.

 Finally, he asked reporters not to follow call to provide statements on the subject. Similarly, urged the authorities to 'other people do not go through what happened'. "It's very difficult to defend in Peru," said

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-17-ricardo-flores-creo-que-la-sentencia-no-fue-justa-pero-la-aceptamos-noticia_441503.html

Ricardo Flores really is a classy guy.  This had to break his heart to have to go through this.  Knowing this creep is living the life of leisure after destroying his family, has to be tough.



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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2012, 03:02:55 PM
The anticipated Monday press conference did not happen but ... I believe in time it will.  Could it be that something akin to Beth Holloway and Aruba ... Ricardo Flores will become a force for Peru to reckon with.

Janet

+++++

Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM


<snipped>

The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.

"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.

<snipped>

http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html


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Post by: Monkey King on January 17, 2012, 03:13:40 PM
The anticipated Monday press conference did not happen but ... I believe in time it will.  Could it be that something akin to Beth Holloway and Aruba ... Ricardo Flores will become a force for Peru to reckon with.

Janet

+++++

Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM


<snipped>

The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.

"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.

<snipped>

http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html


I hope Ricardo Flores gets the support he needs to get some changes enacted. 

I wonder how soon after the sentencing was JVS moved to the other prison....

I would imagine, if whisked away, all his stuff, 42" LCD tv, gaming console, internet access, were all left behind and were up for grabs by the guards and his fellow inmates.    ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


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Post by: jamcakes on January 17, 2012, 04:40:53 PM

I wonder how soon after the sentencing was JVS moved to the other prison....


I can't remember the exact time they said he was moved, but it was that Friday nite, 1/13/2012 at between 6-10 pm.  I'll see if I can find the article again.


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Post by: akmom on January 17, 2012, 04:52:51 PM
Unfortunately, unless someone takes Urine out, he will live like a king.  He is clever and manipulative.  A complete psychopath, he will control his prison world.  I pray someone will be paid off to end it all.....


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Post by: Monkey King on January 17, 2012, 05:04:49 PM
Unfortunately, unless someone takes Urine out, he will live like a king.  He is clever and manipulative.  A complete psychopath, he will control his prison world.  I pray someone will be paid off to end it all.....

Ok, ok, reality check here!!!

You're probably right, the vile, spawn of satan, will probably be running things as desperate and hard up women will continue to fund this chithead's lifestyle. 

*cough, cough, Mary Hamer, cough cough, comes to mind*


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2012, 05:05:45 PM

I hope Ricardo Flores gets the support he needs to get some changes enacted. 

I wonder how soon after the sentencing was JVS moved to the other prison....
I would imagine, if whisked away, all his stuff, 42" LCD tv, gaming console, internet access, were all left behind and were up for grabs by the guards and his fellow inmates.    ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Peru Court Sentences Van Der Sloot to 28 Years
LIMA, Peru January 13, 2012 (AP)


<snipped>

Late Friday, prison authorities told the AP that Van der Sloot had been transferred to the high-security Piedras Gordas prison in northern Lima in response to reports that he had enjoyed privileges like television, internet access and a cell phone in Castro Castro prison. Piedras Gordas holds local crime bosses and terrorism convicts, including Shining Path guerrillas.

"He will be in an individual cell at Piedras Gordas to give authorities greater control of him and cut off some of the facilities he has had in Castro Castro," said prison service spokeswoman Janeth Sanchez.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/court-sentence-van-der-sloot-murder-15354004




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2012, 05:09:49 PM
Unfortunately, unless someone takes Urine out, he will live like a king.  He is clever and manipulative.  A complete psychopath, he will control his prison world.  I pray someone will be paid off to end it all.....

I agree akmom.

Joran van der Sloot has the knowledge regarding who in high places in Holland/Aruba  participated in various aspects of the coverup/corrupt investigation that prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.  Joran holds the ace ... the ace if played could cause the Aruban/Dutch house of cards to collapse.  This guy needs to be pacified or taken out to assure his silence.  IMO   

Janet

+++++++

The House of Cards

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


<snipped>

ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: ... The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee's disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they're going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 17, 2012, 05:24:20 PM
@Tamikosmom~

 ::HelloKitty::

I sure hope Art Wood is correct!!   ::boxingjoran::


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Post by: jamcakes on January 17, 2012, 05:48:46 PM
I agree akmom.

Joran van der Sloot has the knowledge regarding who in high places in Holland/Aruba  participated in various aspects of the coverup/corrupt investigation that prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.  Joran holds the ace ... the ace if played could cause the Aruban/Dutch house of cards to collapse.  This guy needs to be pacified or taken out to assure his silence.  IMO   

Janet


There has been much speculation as to whether Joran, Paulus and 2K, were playing in the big leagues, and have had the protection of the same in order to protect their operations.  I firmly believe that if what J2KP know could take down the house, then the house would make a preemptive move, and take them out simultaneously before they would have the chance to sing. Look at the history of mobsters. If they felt threatened they would've been taken out already, not wait 6+ years

I do think that Joran will be taken out while he is in custody and we won't know whether it will be a silence hit, a revenge killing or simply a pizzed off fellow prisoner.


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Post by: Puzzler on January 17, 2012, 06:13:12 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-childhood-history

The 'Personal Story' Of A Killer, Handwritten By Joran Van Der

(snip)   Titled 'My Personal Story,' van der Sloot was asked to write the text by forensic psychologist Silvia Rojas Regalado as part of a handwriting examination and it is part of an official police document.  (snip)


A copy of the handwritten document is available at the link above.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2012, 06:14:54 PM
@Tamikosmom~

 ::HelloKitty::

I sure hope Art Wood is correct!!   ::boxingjoran::

Hi Monkey King

 ::HelloKitty::


Janet

+++++


At Any Give Moment

Beth Holloway's Story
The Oprah Winfrey Show  |  March 14, 2008


<snipped>

Despite what authorities have said, Beth says the case of her daughter's disappearance remains open for her family. "We've never really relied on an investigative approach to finding an answer," she says. "I think what we've relied on more heavily is at any given moment something unexpected could happen, and we really feel like someone could talk at any moment."

<snipped>

http://www.oprah.com/world/Beth-Holloways-Story/3


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Post by: carpe noctem on January 17, 2012, 06:26:55 PM
I feel sorry (sort of) for the cab driver apprentice that drove Joran to Chile. The dude that rode shotgun.

Could you imagine having to call your mother and tell her you helped try to get the murderer to freedom

and your cut of the deal was only 12 bucks and a used pair of doo-lolly clackers? ::MonkeyDevil::

Man, I bet his momma was tearing up that phone line!

"I told you - you would never amount to much! You should have gone to tech school like your brother!!!"

When Joran bites the dust... we need to compile a list of all the people he has mowed over along the way. All the lives he's ruined.

It'll be a very long list. Of that, I am positive.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 17, 2012, 06:40:15 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-childhood-history

The 'Personal Story' Of A Killer, Handwritten By Joran Van Der

(snip)   Titled 'My Personal Story,' van der Sloot was asked to write the text by forensic psychologist Silvia Rojas Regalado as part of a handwriting examination and it is part of an official police document.  (snip)


A copy of the handwritten document is available at the link above.
Why did the Peruvian psychologist have Urine write this in English?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: klaasend on January 17, 2012, 06:58:55 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-childhood-history

The 'Personal Story' Of A Killer, Handwritten By Joran Van Der

(snip)   Titled 'My Personal Story,' van der Sloot was asked to write the text by forensic psychologist Silvia Rojas Regalado as part of a handwriting examination and it is part of an official police document.  (snip)


A copy of the handwritten document is available at the link above.
Why did the Peruvian psychologist have Urine write this in English?

From www.RadarOnline.com

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranLife1.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranLife2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 17, 2012, 07:01:10 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-childhood-history

The 'Personal Story' Of A Killer, Handwritten By Joran Van Der

(snip)   Titled 'My Personal Story,' van der Sloot was asked to write the text by forensic psychologist Silvia Rojas Regalado as part of a handwriting examination and it is part of an official police document.  (snip)


A copy of the handwritten document is available at the link above.
Why did the Peruvian psychologist have Urine write this in English?

Don't know why he wrote it in English. I found it odd that he doesn't even get his father's death date correct. Paulus died on Feb 10th, 2010. Even I can remember that. Joran moved it to Valentine's day Feb 14th.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2012, 07:16:50 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-childhood-history

The 'Personal Story' Of A Killer, Handwritten By Joran Van Der

(snip)   Titled 'My Personal Story,' van der Sloot was asked to write the text by forensic psychologist Silvia Rojas Regalado as part of a handwriting examination and it is part of an official police document.  (snip)


A copy of the handwritten document is available at the link above.
Why did the Peruvian psychologist have Urine write this in English?

Don't know why he wrote it in English. I found it odd that he doesn't even get his father's death date correct. Paulus died on Feb 10th, 2010. Even I can remember that. Joran moved it to Valentine's day Feb 14th.

I noticed that too.  It affected him so much he can't even remember the date?  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 17, 2012, 07:31:34 PM
I noticed how he glossed over the facts of Natalee, and the PTSD he suffered as a result of being wrongly suspected.  @@

It's also scary that he claims he traveled all over Asia playing cards.  (And killing/disappearing how many more young women?)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 17, 2012, 07:39:10 PM
I feel sorry (sort of) for the cab driver apprentice that drove Joran to Chile. The dude that rode shotgun.

Could you imagine having to call your mother and tell her you helped try to get the murderer to freedom

and your cut of the deal was only 12 bucks and a used pair of doo-lolly clackers? ::MonkeyDevil::

Man, I bet his momma was tearing up that phone line!

"I told you - you would never amount to much! You should have gone to tech school like your brother!!!"

When Joran bites the dust... we need to compile a list of all the people he has mowed over along the way. All the lives he's ruined.

It'll be a very long list. Of that, I am positive.

Hey Carpe!

Although I like to consider myself educated and street smart, what, praytell, is a doo-lolly clackers?

Hahaha!

Thanks, in advance, for expanding my vocabulary.


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Post by: jamcakes on January 17, 2012, 07:52:52 PM


Hey Carpe!

Although I like to consider myself educated and street smart, what, praytell, is a doo-lolly clackers?

Hahaha!

Thanks, in advance, for expanding my vocabulary.

I googled it.  LOL.  I'm looking forward to Carpe explaining it.


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Post by: grace-land on January 17, 2012, 08:34:27 PM
Video at link

http://pulitzerandthompson.com/father-of-joran-van-der-sloot-murder-victim-speaks-out/

Father of Joran Van der Sloot Murder Victim Speaks Out
The father of murdered Peruvian girl Stephany Tatiana Flores spoke out today about his feelings about his daughter’s killer, Joran van der Sloot. In an interview with the Peruvian news program “90 Segundos,”   ::snipping2::

RICARDO: Yes, I appreciate the support that you all gave us from the first day we committed to stay.

Everything that has happened, I didn’t think it was going to be like that. We worked hard. There were many people working on this case, doing all the investigations, giving all the facts to the Prosecutor’s Office, so they could take the right decision.

Just to give you an example: In the process, they didn’t include the hotel, or any of the guest records. A weird topic. Three days the TV turned up full blast, they didn’t include all the people. They didn’t take statements from all the people, but well….

REPORTER: I wanted to ask you from the moment that I’ve seen you face to face with your daughter’s murderer.  What did you feel seeing his face?

RICARDO: The first time I was shocked because I expected to see a skinny, beaten person because that is how I can imagine a person in jail.  But he got fat, arrogant, haughty, cross-legged, ignoring authorities. I didn’t like that.

REPORTER: Did you and members of your family want this case to be over?

RICARDO: No, no, no. My son, Ricardo, feels a little mortified. I tell you because I can’t hide things.

REPORTER: Is this your last statement?

RICARDO: Yes, definitely. I will not talk to the press, so please don’t ask me about this topic. (HE SAID, DIRECTING HIS COMMENT AT THE PRESS CORPS.) But like I said, I thank the press for their support.

REPORTER: So today, through this interview, and for the press that are waiting for you, do you go into mourning starting today?

RICARDO: Yes, today. I hold on to myself. But I hope this subject won’t be discussed any more. So my family can rest. And even my friends, I ask them: ‘Let’s act like nothing happened.’  Because I feel bad every time they come to me or my family trying to support us, but that they hurt us even more.

REPORTER: So what you want to do is cry with your family and discuss this subject?

RICARDO: Yes, let’s not discuss this subject. Let’s have my daughter here like she is here with us. Since we all met her and enjoy her soul.  That is most important.


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Post by: Monkey King on January 17, 2012, 08:42:07 PM
Video at link

http://pulitzerandthompson.com/father-of-joran-van-der-sloot-murder-victim-speaks-out/

Father of Joran Van der Sloot Murder Victim Speaks Out
The father of murdered Peruvian girl Stephany Tatiana Flores spoke out today about his feelings about his daughter’s killer, Joran van der Sloot. In an interview with the Peruvian news program “90 Segundos,”   ::snipping2::

RICARDO: Yes, I appreciate the support that you all gave us from the first day we committed to stay.

Everything that has happened, I didn’t think it was going to be like that. We worked hard. There were many people working on this case, doing all the investigations, giving all the facts to the Prosecutor’s Office, so they could take the right decision.

Just to give you an example: In the process, they didn’t include the hotel, or any of the guest records. A weird topic. Three days the TV turned up full blast, they didn’t include all the people. They didn’t take statements from all the people, but well….

REPORTER: I wanted to ask you from the moment that I’ve seen you face to face with your daughter’s murderer.  What did you feel seeing his face?

RICARDO: The first time I was shocked because I expected to see a skinny, beaten person because that is how I can imagine a person in jail.  But he got fat, arrogant, haughty, cross-legged, ignoring authorities. I didn’t like that.

REPORTER: Did you and members of your family want this case to be over?

RICARDO: No, no, no. My son, Ricardo, feels a little mortified. I tell you because I can’t hide things.

REPORTER: Is this your last statement?

RICARDO: Yes, definitely. I will not talk to the press, so please don’t ask me about this topic. (HE SAID, DIRECTING HIS COMMENT AT THE PRESS CORPS.) But like I said, I thank the press for their support.

REPORTER: So today, through this interview, and for the press that are waiting for you, do you go into mourning starting today?

RICARDO: Yes, today. I hold on to myself. But I hope this subject won’t be discussed any more. So my family can rest. And even my friends, I ask them: ‘Let’s act like nothing happened.’  Because I feel bad every time they come to me or my family trying to support us, but that they hurt us even more.

REPORTER: So what you want to do is cry with your family and discuss this subject?

RICARDO: Yes, let’s not discuss this subject. Let’s have my daughter here like she is here with us. Since we all met her and enjoy her soul.  That is most important.


I really admire him.  Faith has kept him strong.
He's a blessing to his family.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 17, 2012, 09:01:23 PM
It seems that --

The investigation was inadequate.

The prosecution wanted a winable indictment--Modified Murder with Simple Theft.

The 3 judges (in November, 2011) accepting the prosecutor's indictment over the families' request for Robbery followed by Murder.  Even the defense attorney said that they won a major victory that day.

The family worked so hard to put Joran away for life.  What courage and determination! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2012, 09:12:03 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-childhood-history

The 'Personal Story' Of A Killer, Handwritten By Joran Van Der

(snip)   Titled 'My Personal Story,' van der Sloot was asked to write the text by forensic psychologist Silvia Rojas Regalado as part of a handwriting examination and it is part of an official police document.  (snip)


A copy of the handwritten document is available at the link above.
Why did the Peruvian psychologist have Urine write this in English?

From www.RadarOnline.com

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranLife1.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranLife2.jpg)

February 14th?


Natalee Holloway:Paulus van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot, dead of cardiac arrest

<snipped>

Jossy Mansur, the managing editor of Diario also provided us with the following:

“Justice has a strange way of correcting irregularities committed in its name. In this particular case, Paul had the necessary information we needed to solve the case, but decided to take it with him to his tomb. His version (the true one) we will never know. And we can never depend on Joran to come clean with what happened to Natalee.

Yes, Paul died playing tennis yesterday afternoon. God forgive him!"

<snipped>

Posted February 11, 2010 by Klaasend

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/02/11/paulus-van-der-sloot-father-of-joran-van-der-sloot-dead-of-cardiac-arrest/


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Post by: jamcakes on January 17, 2012, 09:21:02 PM
Doesn't Peru's life sentence max out @ 35 years, unlike ours which means life?

I think the Flores family is relieved that Joran rec'd at least 28 years. I believe they are satisfied now, also, that Joran's perks have been dealt with too.

Now that the Flores family has done what they had to do at the most horrendous time in their lives, and do in the glass fishbowl, it seems that they just want to be left alone.

I respect that. I wouldn't be surprised that after some time has passed, that we will hear from them championing some cause having to do with Stephany's life and/or death.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 17, 2012, 09:24:07 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-childhood-history

The 'Personal Story' Of A Killer, Handwritten By Joran Van Der

(snip)   Titled 'My Personal Story,' van der Sloot was asked to write the text by forensic psychologist Silvia Rojas Regalado as part of a handwriting examination and it is part of an official police document.  (snip)


A copy of the handwritten document is available at the link above.
Why did the Peruvian psychologist have Urine write this in English?

From www.RadarOnline.com

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranLife1.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranLife2.jpg)

February 14th?


Natalee Holloway:Paulus van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot, dead of cardiac arrest

<snipped>

Jossy Mansur, the managing editor of Diario also provided us with the following:

“Justice has a strange way of correcting irregularities committed in its name. In this particular case, Paul had the necessary information we needed to solve the case, but decided to take it with him to his tomb. His version (the true one) we will never know. And we can never depend on Joran to come clean with what happened to Natalee.

Yes, Paul died playing tennis yesterday afternoon. God forgive him!"

<snipped>

Posted February 11, 2010 by Klaasend

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/02/11/paulus-van-der-sloot-father-of-joran-van-der-sloot-dead-of-cardiac-arrest/

Tamikosmom~

Very good question.

Is it possible the Peruvians had JVS write this in English because they vowed to help the USA with it's Natalee Holloway case, when he was first arrested, and this document shows he is intelligent, understands the English language and expresses himself very good.

He's made numerous pitches about not having a translator.

This document shows he can read and write English.

I understand what you mean from the Peruvian side of things, but, I'm sure they have other documents in their own language written by him.  After all, he had to be efficient in their language as he was heading to Peru to gamble. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2012, 09:30:26 PM
He will be getting many more years.imo

Not in peru. People are doing the math and I'm reading... with good-time and the 2:1 work/study benefit he could be out in 5 1/2 years. I'm angry.

28 years sentence
- 18 years (serves 1/3 sentence)
- 2 years (participates in education program first four years of sentence)
- 18 months pre-trial confinement
======================
5 1/2 years



NANCY GRACE
Joran Pleads Guilty to Murder in Peru
Aired January 11, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: ... Van Der Sloot yawning and laughing in court. What about it, Jane?

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST, "ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL": Well, I think that this was all highly orchestrated and it was a big farce, and he knew exactly what was going to happen when he walked into court. And there was some kind of behind-the-scenes deal.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/11/ng.01.html


Big Win!

November 22, 2011
Joran van der Sloot indicted on murder and robbery
Posted: 01:40 PM ET


<snipped>

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro tells In Session this was a big win for his client. If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

<snipped>

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/22/joran-van-der-sloot-indicted-on-murder-and-robbery/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2012, 09:42:51 PM
It seems that --

The investigation was inadequate.

The prosecution wanted a winable indictment--Modified Murder with Simple Theft.

The 3 judges (in November, 2011) accepting the prosecutor's indictment over the families' request for Robbery followed by Murder.  Even the defense attorney said that they won a major victory that day.

The family worked so hard to put Joran away for life.  What courage and determination! 


 ::rhino::

Could it be that Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" were negotiating behind the scenes with the Peruvian prosecutor and ... the panel of judges to create an outcome that would be beneficial to Joran van der Sloot but at the same time appease to some extent the family of Stephany Flores?

Think about it.  Can 28 years translated into less than 9 years be considered justice for Stephany?  In Tamikosmom's world ... justice implies the scale balances.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 17, 2012, 10:02:39 PM
We don't have the DP in Canada. In fact, we suck at giving violent criminals what they deserve, like one murder and you're done for good.
If he was sentenced in Canada, he would be out in about 7 years provided he didn't get into any more trouble in jail. But, the inmates do not run the guards here and don't have all the toys Joran had.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: wreck on January 17, 2012, 10:13:55 PM
It seems that --

The investigation was inadequate.

The prosecution wanted a winable indictment--Modified Murder with Simple Theft.

The 3 judges (in November, 2011) accepting the prosecutor's indictment over the families' request for Robbery followed by Murder.  Even the defense attorney said that they won a major victory that day.

The family worked so hard to put Joran away for life.  What courage and determination! 


 ::rhino::

Could it be that Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" were negotiating behind the scenes with the Peruvian prosecutor and ... the panel of judges to create an outcome that would be beneficial to Joran van der Sloot but at the same time appease to some extent the family of Stephany Flores?

Think about it.  Can 28 years translated into less than 9 years be considered justice for Stephany?  In Tamikosmom's world ... justice implies the scale balances.

Janet

Please stop it. Aruba and the Dutch have NO influence over Peru. No one but Joran's lawyer is saying 9 years. 35 years is life in Peru.
If somehow he does get out in 9 years -- it won't be because of the "powers that be" in Aruba. Joran will either be on trial in the U.S. or dead. I prefer the latter.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2012, 10:15:50 PM
We don't have the DP in Canada. In fact, we suck at giving violent criminals what they deserve, like one murder and you're done for good.
If he was sentenced in Canada, he would be out in about 7 years provided he didn't get into any more trouble in jail. But, the inmates do not run the guards here and don't have all the toys Joran had.


SEVEN YEARS?

Joran van der Sloot - In His Own Words

Confession: Joran van der Sloot describes killing Stephany Flores
Published: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 2:51 PM
Updated: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 4:11 PM


<snipped>

Asked for a detailed description of the killing:

"She was on the bed when I hit her hard with my right elbow and I think her head went back and hit the wall, then she begins to bleed, immediately I get on top of her and with both hands I begin to strangle her, keeping her that way for a minute. After that, I throw her to the floor but she keeps breathing. At that moment I take off my shirt and put it on her face, pressing on it. I don't remember for how long but she stops breathing, in this way I think I caused her death."

<snipped>

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/confession_joran_van_der_sloot.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2012, 10:31:47 PM
We don't have the DP in Canada. In fact, we suck at giving violent criminals what they deserve, like one murder and you're done for good.
If he was sentenced in Canada, he would be out in about 7 years provided he didn't get into any more trouble in jail. But, the inmates do not run the guards here and don't have all the toys Joran had.


I agree the scale of justice does not balance but ... in Canada it does appears that Joran would have received at least 20 years in the slammer without the possibility of parole ... twenty years when no Stephanys and Natalees would be at risk.

Janet

+++++


Killer has no chance of parole for 20 years
Posted: 01/10/2012 1:00 AM


HE choked his friend unconscious, sexually assaulted her and then snuffed out any remaining signs of life by slitting her throat.

Yet Maxwell Zavitz can't provide any explanation beyond "I just snapped" for the brutal killing of a young woman in August 2010. He pleaded guilty Monday to second-degree murder and received a life sentence with no chance of parole for at least 20 years.

Jennifer Paraton, 25, died of her injuries inside her Carlton Street apartment block. Zavitz admitted to the attack, which ended when he calmly phoned 911 to report what he had done. Zavitz then gave a full confession to police as they arrived on the scene.

"I killed her. I'm guilty. I want to go to jail forever," he told officers.

Zavitz, 23, was initially charged with first-degree murder, which carries a mandatory life sentence with no parole eligibility for at least 25 years upon conviction. But the Crown agreed to the lesser plea in exchange for doubling the minimum parole eligibility of 10 years for second-degree murder.

<snipped>

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/killer-has-no-chance-of-parole-for-20-years-136997403.html




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2012, 11:08:59 PM
It seems that --

The investigation was inadequate.

The prosecution wanted a winable indictment--Modified Murder with Simple Theft.

The 3 judges (in November, 2011) accepting the prosecutor's indictment over the families' request for Robbery followed by Murder.  Even the defense attorney said that they won a major victory that day.

The family worked so hard to put Joran away for life.  What courage and determination! 


 ::rhino::

Could it be that Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" were negotiating behind the scenes with the Peruvian prosecutor and ... the panel of judges to create an outcome that would be beneficial to Joran van der Sloot but at the same time appease to some extent the family of Stephany Flores?

Think about it.  Can 28 years translated into less than 9 years be considered justice for Stephany?  In Tamikosmom's world ... justice implies the scale balances.

Janet

Please stop it. Aruba and the Dutch have NO influence over Peru. No one but Joran's lawyer is saying 9 years. 35 years is life in Peru.
If somehow he does get out in 9 years -- it won't be because of the "powers that be" in Aruba. Joran will either be on trial in the U.S. or dead. I prefer the latter.

Thank you wreck, I agree.  And I prefer the latter too.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2012, 11:24:14 PM
Joran attended the International School in Aruba from the 2nd grade through graduation.  He supposedly graduated with honors.  He speaks and understands English and obviously has no problem writing it as well.  I have no doubt he used his fluency in English to gain the attention of many "last night on the island" American girls in Aruba, and probably in many other situations too.  He girlfriend in Thailand was American.

We'll see if he "claims" to have any problems with the English language when he gets to Alabama to face charges.  All of his communications (emails) that I've seen in the case were in English.  Maybe he'll cry for a Dutch translator, but if he does he's only doing it to be a pain in the azz.

jmo

http://www.isaruba.com/About_isa/index.html

About ISA

The International School of Aruba is a private, nonprofit, co-educational, English language school.

 ::snipping2::

The school curriculum is modeled on that of a U.S. university preparatory school. English is the primary language of instruction. The testing program includes the ITBS (IOWA) tests, PSAT, ACT, SAT and AP examinations. Advanced Placement classes are offered in English, Spanish, and Studio Art. Ninety percent of graduates go on to universities in North America and other countries. The school year is from August to June. Dutch and Spanish are offered at levels from Beginner to Native speaker.  Dutch exams for CITO, MAVO, HAVO/VWO can be arranged.

 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2012, 11:30:47 PM
Joran van der Sloot brutally murdered the daughter of an influential Peruvian citizen  yet ... this monster was receiving perferential treatment within the prison system from the getgo.  Why?  Where was the pressure originating?

Janet

++++++

Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM


<snipped>

The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.

"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.

<snipped>

http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: wreck on January 17, 2012, 11:41:11 PM
Joran van der Sloot brutally murdered the daughter of an influential Peruvian citizen  yet ... this monster was receiving perferential treatment within the prison system from the getgo.  Why?  Where was the pressure originating?

Janet

++++++

Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM


<snipped>

The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.

"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.

<snipped>

http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html

I suspect ANY prisoner with money can bribe guards in a poor country like Peru. If Joran had these perks -- it was from his money -- NOT Aruba's influence.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: wreck on January 17, 2012, 11:52:59 PM
Joran van der Sloot brutally murdered the daughter of an influential Peruvian citizen  yet ... this monster was receiving perferential treatment within the prison system from the getgo.  Why?  Where was the pressure originating?

Janet

++++++

Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM


<snipped>

The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.

"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.

<snipped>

http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html

I suspect ANY prisoner with money can bribe guards in a poor country like Peru. If Joran had these perks -- it was from his money -- NOT Aruba's influence.
Answers your own question


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 18, 2012, 12:57:51 AM
Joran van der Sloot brutally murdered the daughter of an influential Peruvian citizen  yet ... this monster was receiving perferential treatment within the prison system from the getgo.  Why?  Where was the pressure originating?

Janet

++++++

Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM


<snipped>

The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.

"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.

<snipped>

http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html



Broke?

NANCY GRACE
Van Der Sloot Confession Transcript Released
Aired June 14, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Here is an e-mail exchange between you and Joran Van Der Sloot where he says, happy birthday, I hope you had a good day. This is May 29.

And remember how important family and friends are. By the way, can you send me some money through Western Union tomorrow? Remember that?

JOHN LUDWICK, FRIEND OF JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I do.

GRACE: Did you send him money?

LUDWICK: No, I didn`t. He had told me -- that was the evening of May 29th and I guess the alleged event happened later -- a few hours later into the 30th. But he told me he needed money to get back to Aruba. So, I mean, before I had a chance to help him out, I couldn`t get ahold of him. And then the news said what it said.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/14/ng.01.html


Dutch Involvement?

Official: Van der Sloot confesses to Peru slaying
updated 6/8/2010 11:17:34 AM ET


<snipped>
 
Dutch Embassy chief consular officer Angela Lowe said her government was providing van der Sloot with "regular consular assistance, which means an occasional consular visit, and we will make sure he is being treated decently, just like any other inmate."  She said Peruvian authorities have assured the Dutch government they are treating him well. "They are taking this case very seriously," she added. "The world is watching."

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37542848/ns/world_news-americas/t/official-van-der-sloot-confesses-peru-slaying/


ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Van Der Sloot Captured on Murder Charge
Aired June 3, 2010 - 19:00:00   ET


<snipped>

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Vinda De Sousa is on the line. She is the Aruban attorney for Natalee Holloway`s dad, Dave.  Vinda, we have just learned that a delegation from the Dutch embassy visited Joran minutes ago in a Chilean jail. ...

OK. What are your thoughts of the fact that the Dutch embassy visited him in jail in Chile?

DE SOUSA: Well, you know, that`s -- that`s not unusual. Whenever a Dutch citizen is jailed abroad, either the embassy or the consul general will visit the person detained or in custody, being a Dutch citizen, to offer assistance, it`s part of the Dutch policy.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/03/ijvm.01.html


carpe noctem
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #836 6/8/10 -
« Reply #916 on: June 10, 2010, 12:57:31 AM »


Those rusty Dutch buggers just can`t keep their hands off that boy, can they?

It`s built in to their DNA.

As was learned, the Dutchman would have the advice of a private lawyer had been hired by diplomats from the embassy.

http://www.ojo.com.pe/ojo/nota.php?txtSecci_id=25&txtNota_id=368861

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8078.msg1153576#msg1153576


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2012, 02:35:37 AM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/NatbirdStephany2.gif)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!

::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 18, 2012, 02:48:55 AM


Hey Carpe!

Although I like to consider myself educated and street smart, what, praytell, is a doo-lolly clackers?

Hahaha!

Thanks, in advance, for expanding my vocabulary.

I googled it.  LOL.  I'm looking forward to Carpe explaining it.

Sorry!

Benwa balls. :smt069 :smt069

The Peruvian guy thought they were for self-defense. A tiny pair of leprechaun nunchuks. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2012, 03:44:05 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Frijole on January 18, 2012, 07:25:25 AM

We'll see if he "claims" to have any problems with the English language when he gets to Alabama to face charges.  All of his communications (emails) that I've seen in the case were in English.  Maybe he'll cry for a Dutch translator, but if he does he's only doing it to be a pain in the azz.



 ::MonkeyDevil::  Doesn't our Anna speak Dutch?  I am sure she'd be glad to help out.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 18, 2012, 08:00:42 AM


Hey Carpe!

Although I like to consider myself educated and street smart, what, praytell, is a doo-lolly clackers?

Hahaha!

Thanks, in advance, for expanding my vocabulary.

I googled it.  LOL.  I'm looking forward to Carpe explaining it.

Sorry!

Benwa balls. :smt069 :smt069

The Peruvian guy thought they were for self-defense. A tiny pair of leprechaun nunchuks. ::MonkeyHaHa::



Hey Carpe!

Although I like to consider myself educated and street smart, what, praytell, is a doo-lolly clackers?

Hahaha!

Thanks, in advance, for expanding my vocabulary.

I googled it.  LOL.  I'm looking forward to Carpe explaining it.

Sorry!

Benwa balls. :smt069 :smt069

The Peruvian guy thought they were for self-defense. A tiny pair of leprechaun nunchuks. ::MonkeyHaHa::

OH....... ::piggy:: :smt112 :smt110 :smt081
'dem balls!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 18, 2012, 10:39:09 AM


Hey Carpe!

Although I like to consider myself educated and street smart, what, praytell, is a doo-lolly clackers?

Hahaha!

Thanks, in advance, for expanding my vocabulary.

I googled it.  LOL.  I'm looking forward to Carpe explaining it.

Sorry!

Benwa balls. :smt069 :smt069

The Peruvian guy thought they were for self-defense. A tiny pair of leprechaun nunchuks. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I googled benwa balls.  @@

First one up said buy at AdamEve.

Eewwhhh, the 3rd taxi driver took the used sex toy as partial payment?  Or is this a joke?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 18, 2012, 11:35:22 AM
http://larevista.aqpsoluciones.com/2012/01/18/caso-stephany-flores-ricardo-flores-dice-que-es-muy-dificil-pedir-justicia/

Google translation

Case Stephany Flores, Ricardo Flores said it was very difficult to ask for justice
January 18, 2012 7:33 pm

"It's very difficult to ask for justice in Peru. It is not easy to defend in the country, so we want the judiciary to be more fair. With the lawyers could have asked for the annulment of the sentence that was the murderer of my daughter Stephany by gaps that exist and so mishandled the case, "said businessman Ricardo Flores.

"Seeing (the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot) more fat and arrogant seems that is not in jail. I think the sentence has not been the fairest, but accept it. What else can my family make that achieves a higher penalty, "he added.

In relation to his missing daughter, Ricardo Flores said she is not physically, but talk every day. I have many memories of her and we just have a lot of strength and trust in God. We ask everyone to the press, never again to talk about it anymore, because we feel that we do more damage.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 18, 2012, 11:48:01 AM
To prevent an outside investigation ... to prevent the release of case documents ...   somehow I do not believe that Aruba is ever going to officially close the Natalee Holloway case.  It will be classified as forever ongoing/open.

Janet

++++++


When the Case is Closed

Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005


<snipped>

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: Well, the way the system works down here, when the case is closed, we will have all that information, and we can release it to the world.

<snipped

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 12/2/2005 10:37:47 AM ET


ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: There's a lot that Americans can do through the State Department. I want to remind everybody that Natalee Holloway was a U.S. citizen. Once the Aruban authorities are done investigating this case, the FBI can still conduct an investigation, and they could extradite these suspects to the United States. Let me point out that there's a ton of circumstantial evidence in this case to convict these kids.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


DANA PRETZER
July 2, 2006 - Part 1
July 8, 2006 - Part 2


Art Wood:

The family of Natalee needs to put pressure on the US attorney in Birmingham to push the FBI to conduct an investigation after ALE close the case. We have a treaty that allows the FBI to pursue a violation of civil rights of an American citizen there.

s.t.




Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years
Friday, January 13, 2012


<snipped>

A homicide investigation into Holloway's death remains open in Aruba though there has been no recent activity, said Solicitor General Taco Stein, an official with the prosecutor's office in Aruba.

<snipped>

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/national_world&id=8503911



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 18, 2012, 12:07:07 PM
What is Aruba's stance on murder investigations?

Can/will they ever close a murder investigation without having it solved?

Seems like a "catch 22" with no catch.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 18, 2012, 12:27:20 PM
What is Aruba's stance on murder investigations?

Can/will they ever close a murder investigation without having it solved?

Seems like a "catch 22" with no catch.


 ::rhino::

A catch which implies that case documents will never be turned over to the FBI and ... justice for Natalee Holloway will forever remain elusive.

Janet

++++++


Never Passed the Ball

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 184
: Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing." he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 18, 2012, 12:36:28 PM
What is Aruba's stance on murder investigations?

Can/will they ever close a murder investigation without having it solved?

Seems like a "catch 22" with no catch.


 ::rhino::

A catch which implies that case documents will never be turned over to the FBI and ... justice for Natalee Holloway will forever remain elusive.

Janet

++++++


Never Passed the Ball

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 184
: Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing." he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute




Wow, how heartbreaking is that?

I can honestly say I don't know how I would have reacted put in Beth's shoes. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Ono on January 18, 2012, 01:07:06 PM
What is Aruba's stance on murder investigations?

Can/will they ever close a murder investigation without having it solved?

Seems like a "catch 22" with no catch.

There are no murders in Aruba--only suicides ...........................

.....just kidding. lol


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Sister on January 18, 2012, 01:29:51 PM
It seems that --

The investigation was inadequate.

The prosecution wanted a winable indictment--Modified Murder with Simple Theft.

The 3 judges (in November, 2011) accepting the prosecutor's indictment over the families' request for Robbery followed by Murder.  Even the defense attorney said that they won a major victory that day.

The family worked so hard to put Joran away for life.  What courage and determination! 


 ::rhino::

Could it be that Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" were negotiating behind the scenes with the Peruvian prosecutor and ... the panel of judges to create an outcome that would be beneficial to Joran van der Sloot but at the same time appease to some extent the family of Stephany Flores?

Think about it.  Can 28 years translated into less than 9 years be considered justice for Stephany?  In Tamikosmom's world ... justice implies the scale balances.

Janet

Please stop it. Aruba and the Dutch have NO influence over Peru. No one but Joran's lawyer is saying 9 years. 35 years is life in Peru.
If somehow he does get out in 9 years -- it won't be because of the "powers that be" in Aruba. Joran will either be on trial in the U.S. or dead. I prefer the latter.

Thank you wreck, I agree.  And I prefer the latter too.   ::MonkeyCool::
::rhino::  I prefer the latter also!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 18, 2012, 01:32:52 PM
What is Aruba's stance on murder investigations?

Can/will they ever close a murder investigation without having it solved?

Seems like a "catch 22" with no catch.

There are no murders in Aruba--only suicides ...........................

.....just kidding. lol

Oh yeah, I forgot about that!!  Tsk, Tsk! 

My mind hasn't been right since the doo-lolly clackers!
 
::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 18, 2012, 01:33:43 PM

Wow, how heartbreaking is that?

I can honestly say I don't know how I would have reacted put in Beth's shoes.
 

Monkey King

Fifteen years ago friends lost one son (20) in a motorcycle accident and two years later they lost their second son (25) when the helicopter he was piloting while fighting forest fires in the interior went down.  This couple conceded if they had been forewarned that after raising a family for 25 years they would again be on their own ... it would have been a burden too much to bear.  However ... when the strength to endure was required ... in their grief God did not fail them.  Out of the tragedies a God-given purpose was realized ... a God-given purpose to provide comfort and support to other parents who have experienced the loss of children.

Janet

+++++


Psalm 28:
The LORD is my strength and my shield; in him my heart trusts, and I am helped.


Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Pages 100:
He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years.  Now I must trust Him to care for her.  So I never ask Him why.  Why Natalee?  Why me?  I don't ask.  To do that undermines faith.  Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside.

Page 103: I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit.  Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible.  Mom is right; God is good.  All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over.  Not the work that has to be done.  Just the burden.  I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained.  And I am renewed, resilient.  Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me.  I will pick up one foot and put it down.  Then the other one will follow.  I will breathe.  There is much to be done.
 
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 18, 2012, 01:33:52 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088207/Joran-van-der-Sloot-My-Personal-Story-Convicted-murderers-chilling-life-story.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Wednesday, Jan 18 2012
'My Personal Story': Convicted murderer Joran van der Sloot's chilling handwritten life story

 ::snipping2::

VAN DER SLOOT'S NOTE TO FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST
- Born in Arnhem on the 6th of August 1987.
- Moved to Aruba when I was 2 years old.
- Went to the International School of Aruba from 2nd to 12th grade. Graduated with honors.
- from 8 years old played tennis almost daily even represented Aruba in the Queens games, also played soccer.
- always had a lot of friends and even girlfriends when I was 14 I had my first serious relationship.
- started playing poker when I was 16. When I was 17 I got arrested by the police on Aruba. They suspected me of the disappearance of an American girl. I was in jail for three months and then released.
- After this my dream of studying in the United States was impossible. I went to Holland and returned to my home town to study IBMS at the HAN. I studied there for 2 years and had 1 serious relationship before I decided to go to Thailand to continue my study and play poker in Asia.
- I studied in Thailand for 2 years as well as opened my own business that sells pizza, bread, baguettes, coffee, liquor and beer. I had a good staff and travelled all over Asia playing cards.
- I lived together with my girl in Thailand for two years she was from the U.S. and I met her their (sic)
- My father died on the 14th of February 2010 and I returned to Aruba to be with my mother and help her with things.

He finishes the letter with:

- On the 14th of May 2010 I came to Peru to play a poker tournament for the LAPT

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088207/Joran-van-der-Sloot-My-Personal-Story-Convicted-murderers-chilling-life-story.html#ixzz1jpsJwQSE


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 18, 2012, 01:44:28 PM

Wow, how heartbreaking is that?

I can honestly say I don't know how I would have reacted put in Beth's shoes.
 

Monkey King

Fifteen years ago friends lost one son (20) in a motorcycle accident and two years later they lost their second son (25) when the helicopter he was piloting while fighting forest fires in the interior went down.  This couple conceded if they had been forewarned that after raising a family for 25 years they would again be on their own ... it would have been a burden too much to bear.  However ... when the strength to endure was required ... in their grief God did not fail them.  Out of the tragedies a God-given purpose was realized ... a God-given purpose to provide comfort and support to other parents who have experienced the loss of children.

Janet

+++++


Psalm 28:
The LORD is my strength and my shield; in him my heart trusts, and I am helped.


Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Pages 100:
He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years.  Now I must trust Him to care for her.  So I never ask Him why.  Why Natalee?  Why me?  I don't ask.  To do that undermines faith.  Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside.

Page 103: I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit.  Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible.  Mom is right; God is good.  All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over.  Not the work that has to be done.  Just the burden.  I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained.  And I am renewed, resilient.  Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me.  I will pick up one foot and put it down.  Then the other one will follow.  I will breathe.  There is much to be done.
 
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.



That is pretty intense.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you for sharing.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 18, 2012, 02:43:44 PM
What is Aruba's stance on murder investigations?

Can/will they ever close a murder investigation without having it solved?

Seems like a "catch 22" with no catch.

Here in America, if they fail to prosecute before the statute of limitations expire, then they are SOL and the case is closed automatically. We don't have a statute of limitations on murder cases. But Aruba does!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 18, 2012, 03:32:15 PM
What is Aruba's stance on murder investigations?

Can/will they ever close a murder investigation without having it solved?

Seems like a "catch 22" with no catch.

Here in America, if they fail to prosecute before the statute of limitations expire, then they are SOL and the case is closed automatically. We don't have a statute of limitations on murder cases. But Aruba does!

What is Aruba's statute of limitations on murder?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 18, 2012, 03:45:12 PM
BUMPED

http://www.curacao-law.com/2007/11/26/aruba-criminal-law/

ARUBAN Statute of Limitations

ARUBA CRIMINAL LAW

Holloway case raises questions

I received several questions from US news channels about the legal system of Aruba. Basic information can be found on this official website: click here.
 ::snipping2::

All prohibited acts are classified either as crimes or felonies (misdrijven), infractions or transgressions (overtredingen). The legislature determines whether an offense constitutes a crime or an infraction. Imprisonment is only imposed for serious crimes. The minimum sentence is 1 day, the maximum is 15 years. Murder sentences can be extended to 20 years. A life sentence may be imposed for murder or manslaughter with aggravating circumstances, although this is rare.

According to the Aruba Penal Code (Article 72) with respect to adults (18 years and older):

    There is a 6 year statute of limitations on crimes with a maximum term of imprisonment of 3 years (involuntary manslaughter: max. 9 months imprisonment)
    There is a 12 year statute of limitations on crimes with a term of imprisonment of at least 3 years (voluntary manslaughter: max. 15 years and murder: max. 20 years imprisonment)
    There is a 18 year statute of limitations on crimes which result in a life sentence (e.g. murder committed by terrorists / kidnapping resulting in the death of the kidnapped person / killing someone to hide a crime: life sentence)

If you need anything further, please feel free to contact me at: Karel.Frielink@Spigthoff.com.

Karel Frielink
Curacao-based Attorney (lawyer) / Partner




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 18, 2012, 04:10:38 PM
BUMPED

http://www.curacao-law.com/2007/11/26/aruba-criminal-law/

ARUBAN Statute of Limitations

ARUBA CRIMINAL LAW

Holloway case raises questions

I received several questions from US news channels about the legal system of Aruba. Basic information can be found on this official website: click here.
 ::snipping2::

All prohibited acts are classified either as crimes or felonies (misdrijven), infractions or transgressions (overtredingen). The legislature determines whether an offense constitutes a crime or an infraction. Imprisonment is only imposed for serious crimes. The minimum sentence is 1 day, the maximum is 15 years. Murder sentences can be extended to 20 years. A life sentence may be imposed for murder or manslaughter with aggravating circumstances, although this is rare.

According to the Aruba Penal Code (Article 72) with respect to adults (18 years and older):

    There is a 6 year statute of limitations on crimes with a maximum term of imprisonment of 3 years (involuntary manslaughter: max. 9 months imprisonment)
    There is a 12 year statute of limitations on crimes with a term of imprisonment of at least 3 years (voluntary manslaughter: max. 15 years and murder: max. 20 years imprisonment)
    There is a 18 year statute of limitations on crimes which result in a life sentence (e.g. murder committed by terrorists / kidnapping resulting in the death of the kidnapped person / killing someone to hide a crime: life sentence)

If you need anything further, please feel free to contact me at: Karel.Frielink@Spigthoff.com.

Karel Frielink
Curacao-based Attorney (lawyer) / Partner



Technically, he'd be considered a "lifer" in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 18, 2012, 04:45:36 PM
Monkey King

Joran van der Sloot was a 17 year old minor ... when Natalee Holloway went missing ... a 17 year old minor whose father abetted him in illegal activities..

Janet

++++++

NANCY GRACE
Aired August 29, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, NATALEE`S STEPFATHER Well, I hope they haven`t. I mean -- but you know, the way this whole investigation`s going it seems that way. You know, what I wish, Nancy, is I wish what should have happened in this thing is Paul Van Der Sloot should have been a man, he should have stepped forward in the beginning. He should have talked to Joran that night. They should have admitted that something went wrong out there, which I know he knows that happened.

And if he would have come forward and said Joran did this, it`s a terrible mistake, it`s an accident, he`s still underage, he`s a minor, even if they killed Natalee he probably would have gotten off with about five years. Paul could have held -- kept his job, and we could have gone on with our lives, you know, or whatever.

But this guy, Paul Van Der Sloot is so thick in this thing it`s unbelievable. And you know, my mission is to keep pressure for them to keep asking questions of Paul because he knows more than he`s saying.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/29/ng.01.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006


<snipped>

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 18, 2012, 04:56:14 PM
continued


DANA PRETZER- July 23, 2007

Dana Pretzer: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy Mansur:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.    I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Ono on January 18, 2012, 05:18:13 PM
What is Aruba's stance on murder investigations?

Can/will they ever close a murder investigation without having it solved?

Seems like a "catch 22" with no catch.

There are no murders in Aruba--only suicides ...........................

.....just kidding. lol

Oh yeah, I forgot about that!!  Tsk, Tsk! 

My mind hasn't been right since the doo-lolly clackers!
 
::piggy::


 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 18, 2012, 06:05:02 PM

Technically, he'd be considered a "lifer" in Aruba.

Joran was first arrested on June 9, 2005, under  “reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence” but released b/of lack of evidence to prosecute.

Joran was arrested a 2nd time on November 21, 2007, for "suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Natalee Holloway." The Aruban authorities still couldn't find enough evidence to make a murder charge stick; they released Van Der Sloot about three weeks later.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 18, 2012, 06:33:57 PM
Monkey King

Joran van der Sloot was a 17 year old minor ... when Natalee Holloway went missing ... a 17 year old minor whose father abetted him in illegal activities..

Janet

++++++

NANCY GRACE
Aired August 29, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, NATALEE`S STEPFATHER Well, I hope they haven`t. I mean -- but you know, the way this whole investigation`s going it seems that way. You know, what I wish, Nancy, is I wish what should have happened in this thing is Paul Van Der Sloot should have been a man, he should have stepped forward in the beginning. He should have talked to Joran that night. They should have admitted that something went wrong out there, which I know he knows that happened.

And if he would have come forward and said Joran did this, it`s a terrible mistake, it`s an accident, he`s still underage, he`s a minor, even if they killed Natalee he probably would have gotten off with about five years. Paul could have held -- kept his job, and we could have gone on with our lives, you know, or whatever.

But this guy, Paul Van Der Sloot is so thick in this thing it`s unbelievable. And you know, my mission is to keep pressure for them to keep asking questions of Paul because he knows more than he`s saying.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/29/ng.01.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006


<snipped>

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


I know, I forgot he was 17~


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: klaasend on January 18, 2012, 08:02:42 PM
Nothing new posted at the court website for the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  Remember, the Kalpoes had like 5 days to produce documents.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/MotionFiled0103122.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 18, 2012, 11:12:58 PM
Thank you, Klaas.  And thank you to the person who paid for the document.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 19, 2012, 12:35:36 AM
Video at link

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-lawyer-ripped-claims-guardian-angel

Van Der Sloot's Lawyer Ripped Me Off, Says Joran’s ‘Guardian Angel’Van Der Sloot's Lawyer Ripped Me Off, Says Joran’s ‘Guardian Angel’
Posted on Jan 18, 2012 @ 07:00PM
By Debbie Emery - Radar Reporter

As Joran van der Sloot faces 28 years in prison for murder, the woman who has been paying his legal bills is fighting a battle of her own as she embarks in a bitter stand-off with the convicted killer's lawyer, RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal.

Mary Hamer, who has described herself as van der Sloot's "guardian angel," claims that his Pervuian attorney Jose Luis Jimenez has swindled $75,000 from her that he said was going towards the Dutchman's bail.
 ::snipping2::
Upon learning that it was impossible for van der Sloot to get bail, the Florida-based radiologist asked his attorney to return her hard-earned money. Not only does she want a refund, she also thinks that Jimenez's actions justify a mistrial.

"I consider it unprofessional conduct so I am asking the Peruvian legal system to vacate Joran van der Sloot's sentence of Friday, January 13," said Hamer, who claimed to RadarOnline.com that the lawyer had violated attorney-client privilege repeated times by telling her details of the case.
 ::snipping2::
It is not only Jimenez that has been ripping off the well-meaning 55-year-old, who revealed the convicted killer's mother also took money from her.

"In the second part of 2010, I sent Anita van der Sloot about $20,000 for Joran's care - for food, clothes, legal fees and other expenses. He said he'd never seen any of that money," said Mary.

PHOTOS: Celebrity Mugshots

"Where did that money go? I don't know."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 19, 2012, 12:52:30 AM
Also, from the article above --

Quote
"The key concern of mine is the unprofessional conduct of Attorney Jimenez," said Hamer from the Lake City, Florida, in an exclusive interview with filmmaker Albert Harris, Jr of Whitelight Productions and cameraman Kell Ramos, that was recorded as part of their upcoming documentary on van der Sloot.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-lawyer-ripped-claims-guardian-angel


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 19, 2012, 01:14:28 AM
Also, from the article above --

Quote
"The key concern of mine is the unprofessional conduct of Attorney Jimenez," said Hamer from the Lake City, Florida, in an exclusive interview with filmmaker Albert Harris, Jr of Whitelight Productions and cameraman Kell Ramos, that was recorded as part of their upcoming documentary on van der Sloot.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-lawyer-ripped-claims-guardian-angel


 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 19, 2012, 01:22:35 AM
Video at link

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-lawyer-ripped-claims-guardian-angel

Van Der Sloot's Lawyer Ripped Me Off, Says Joran’s ‘Guardian Angel’Van Der Sloot's Lawyer Ripped Me Off, Says Joran’s ‘Guardian Angel’
Posted on Jan 18, 2012 @ 07:00PM
By Debbie Emery - Radar Reporter

As Joran van der Sloot faces 28 years in prison for murder, the woman who has been paying his legal bills is fighting a battle of her own as she embarks in a bitter stand-off with the convicted killer's lawyer, RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal.

Mary Hamer, who has described herself as van der Sloot's "guardian angel," claims that his Pervuian attorney Jose Luis Jimenez has swindled $75,000 from her that he said was going towards the Dutchman's bail.
 ::snipping2::
Upon learning that it was impossible for van der Sloot to get bail, the Florida-based radiologist asked his attorney to return her hard-earned money. Not only does she want a refund, she also thinks that Jimenez's actions justify a mistrial.

"I consider it unprofessional conduct so I am asking the Peruvian legal system to vacate Joran van der Sloot's sentence of Friday, January 13," said Hamer, who claimed to RadarOnline.com that the lawyer had violated attorney-client privilege repeated times by telling her details of the case.
 ::snipping2::
It is not only Jimenez that has been ripping off the well-meaning 55-year-old, who revealed the convicted killer's mother also took money from her.

"In the second part of 2010, I sent Anita van der Sloot about $20,000 for Joran's care - for food, clothes, legal fees and other expenses. He said he'd never seen any of that money," said Mary.

PHOTOS: Celebrity Mugshots

"Where did that money go? I don't know."
 ::snipping2::


 ::MonkeyDevil:: :smt082  I'm sorry but, how many people do you suppose told her NOT to get involved, to keep her money?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: can on January 19, 2012, 05:40:24 AM
Thank you, Klaas.  And thank you to the person who paid for the document.


 ::rhino::  thank you.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: can on January 19, 2012, 06:08:35 AM
Attny says his fees are  $1,500. per month and that he is 3 months in arrears.  Guardian angel sends $16,000.   ::MonkeyEek::  talk about overkill!
I'll bet Jiminez hasn't got a signed agreement that Mary is responsible for Joran's legal costs.  Just a very willing (former) Guardian angel and gravy train.
There's a sucker born every minute.   

We'll hear lots more from Mary I'm sure. . . she's not going away and I expect she has everything documented. 
Her marbles have been spent and she's not getting them back.

Sad, really.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 19, 2012, 06:26:29 AM
It seems that --

The investigation was inadequate.

The prosecution wanted a winable indictment--Modified Murder with Simple Theft.

The 3 judges (in November, 2011) accepting the prosecutor's indictment over the families' request for Robbery followed by Murder.  Even the defense attorney said that they won a major victory that day.

The family worked so hard to put Joran away for life.  What courage and determination! 


 ::rhino::

Could it be that Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" were negotiating behind the scenes with the Peruvian prosecutor and ... the panel of judges to create an outcome that would be beneficial to Joran van der Sloot but at the same time appease to some extent the family of Stephany Flores?

Think about it.  Can 28 years translated into less than 9 years be considered justice for Stephany?  In Tamikosmom's world ... justice implies the scale balances.

Janet

Please stop it. Aruba and the Dutch have NO influence over Peru. No one but Joran's lawyer is saying 9 years. 35 years is life in Peru.
If somehow he does get out in 9 years -- it won't be because of the "powers that be" in Aruba. Joran will either be on trial in the U.S. or dead. I prefer the latter.


Agree, Wreck.  Drug dealers are often able to buy small amenities in jail as well.  It's the money that counts where guards are paid so little.  However, the stench, rats, chaos, filth and disease are still ever present no matter and so I am quite pleased that Joran is behind bars in such a dreadful place where his life can be snuffed out any minute and he knows it.

He'd better learn to quit picking at his pimples in such a place, too, as most disease is spread hand to face.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I do hope he survives to stand trial in Alabama on the extortion charges even if he doesn't make it back alive to serve out the 25-30 year sentence that carries. 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 19, 2012, 06:30:38 AM
I don't follow Mary Hamer's thought that because she was stupid enough to send money has anything to do with Joran's sentence. 

I mean we are talking two cold blooded murders here and she thinks a little thievery is out of the question? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 19, 2012, 08:05:53 AM
Oh, boy!

1) Mary Hamer wants to use Jiminez as a reason to get a mistrial for Joran

2) If Joran allows Jiminez to file his sentencing appeal, wouldn't that negate any request for a mistrial by implying continued trust?

3) Why an apartment?

4) Why bring up the Anita money now after 1 1/2 years?

5)  Why am I enjoying this so much?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 19, 2012, 08:08:37 AM
I don't follow Mary Hamer's thought that because she was stupid enough to send money has anything to do with Joran's sentence. 

I mean we are talking two cold blooded murders here and she thinks a little thievery is out of the question? 

I think this is like the second time I've laughed about this case.  The first time after JVS pled guilty and then said he would appeal the sentence, and now with this chick, Mary Hamer. 

She needs to be locked up and evaluated.

Between requesting the Peruvian president remand JVS into her custody for 10 years so he can write a thesis to requesting the judges vacate their sentence on JVS for Stephany Flores's murder, because his lawyer (and his mother allegedly) took her money, that she willingly gave for "whatever", she's off her rocker!

She still doesn't see JVS as anything but a victim- since he allegedly didn't see any of that $20,000.00 Hamer allegedly sent Anita for JVS's creture comforts.

She ought to count her blessings, be glad she's still alive and go into seclusion or take up some worthy cause.  IF she has all that money to piss away, then perhaps her finances should be managed and allocated  on an as needed basis.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 19, 2012, 08:15:44 AM
Oh, boy!

1) Mary Hamer wants to use Jiminez as a reason to get a mistrial for Joran

2) If Joran allows Jiminez to file his sentencing appeal, wouldn't that negate any request for a mistrial by implying continued trust?

3) Why an apartment?

4) Why bring up the Anita money now after 1 1/2 years?

5)  Why am I enjoying this so much?

I wonder if she stayed in the apt when she went to visit JVS in Castro Castro?

I wonder if JVS was able to sneak out of Castro Castro and have sexy times in the apartment?  I imagine you can get a lot of millage out of $75,000.00.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 19, 2012, 08:32:48 AM


I wonder if she stayed in the apt when she went to visit JVS in Castro Castro?

I wonder if JVS was able to sneak out of Castro Castro and have sexy times in the apartment?  I imagine you can get a lot of millage out of $75,000.00.



And buy more doo-lolly clackers!   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 19, 2012, 09:12:46 AM
(http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/monkeyking0956/Joran%20Vander%20Sloot/joranvanderslootjpblarge.png)

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 19, 2012, 10:00:24 AM
(http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/monkeyking0956/Joran%20Vander%20Sloot/joranvanderslootjpblarge.png)

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Love it!!

Now he's the perk!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 19, 2012, 12:28:34 PM
The saga continues ....


Joran Van Der Sloot Begs His 'Guardian Angel' For More Money, Read His Handwritten Letter
Posted on Jan 19, 2012 @ 11:11AM
 

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-begs-guardian-angel-handwritten-letter


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 19, 2012, 01:35:00 PM
Video at link

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-lawyer-ripped-claims-guardian-angel

Van Der Sloot's Lawyer Ripped Me Off, Says Joran’s ‘Guardian Angel’Van Der Sloot's Lawyer Ripped Me Off, Says Joran’s ‘Guardian Angel’
Posted on Jan 18, 2012 @ 07:00PM
By Debbie Emery - Radar Reporter

As Joran van der Sloot faces 28 years in prison for murder, the woman who has been paying his legal bills is fighting a battle of her own as she embarks in a bitter stand-off with the convicted killer's lawyer, RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal.

Mary Hamer, who has described herself as van der Sloot's "guardian angel," claims that his Pervuian attorney Jose Luis Jimenez has swindled $75,000 from her that he said was going towards the Dutchman's bail.
 ::snipping2::
Upon learning that it was impossible for van der Sloot to get bail, the Florida-based radiologist asked his attorney to return her hard-earned money. Not only does she want a refund, she also thinks that Jimenez's actions justify a mistrial.

"I consider it unprofessional conduct so I am asking the Peruvian legal system to vacate Joran van der Sloot's sentence of Friday, January 13," said Hamer, who claimed to RadarOnline.com that the lawyer had violated attorney-client privilege repeated times by telling her details of the case.
 ::snipping2::
It is not only Jimenez that has been ripping off the well-meaning 55-year-old, who revealed the convicted killer's mother also took money from her.

"In the second part of 2010, I sent Anita van der Sloot about $20,000 for Joran's care - for food, clothes, legal fees and other expenses. He said he'd never seen any of that money," said Mary.

PHOTOS: Celebrity Mugshots

"Where did that money go? I don't know."
 ::snipping2::


 ::MonkeyDevil:: :smt082  I'm sorry but, how many people do you suppose told her NOT to get involved, to keep her money?

 ::rhino::

Mary is her own worst enemy.  She is delusional.  She is a lonely women looking for self worth in all the wrong places.  At some period in time ... most have been forced to stand back helplessly ... stand back in frustration while a loved one is being used by another who has only selfish motives ... a loved who refuses to listen those who really care.

Grace ... thanks for posting this article/video.  Mary's every word cased me to shake my head in disbelief.

Janet

Florida Radiologist Champions Suspect in Holloway, Flores
Dec. 13, 2011


<snipped>

Sheila Eisenberg, the author of Women Who Love Men Who Kill, writes "These women are willing to sacrifice everything for the sake of a love without hope or promise, or consummation, and they welcome the sacrifice because it means that they and their feelings are worthy."

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-doctor-champions-natalee-holloway-suspect-joran-van/story?id=15145035


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 19, 2012, 01:35:20 PM
The saga continues ....


Joran Van Der Sloot Begs His 'Guardian Angel' For More Money, Read His Handwritten Letter
Posted on Jan 19, 2012 @ 11:11AM
 

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-begs-guardian-angel-handwritten-letter

From page 3:

It looks as if Joran has been spending Mary's money playing on-line poker in the final days of his trial (1-9, 1-11, and 1-14) and LOSING to the tune of $1400.

Perdido Joran -translates into Joran LOST





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 19, 2012, 01:37:23 PM
 ::snipping2::

Later in his letter, Joran asked Mary for more money. "I need apart from the balance of $69,000 I need $1,000 for a new phone so I will be able to communicate with you again.

"Please don't take any action until we are able to speak again which if everything goes well will be within a couple of days.

 ::snipping2::

"P.S. I love you but what you are doing to Mr. Jimenez is not fair. Altez stole over $80,000 of your and my money. Mr. Jimenez has everything documented."

 ::snipping2::

In an exclusive e-mail to RadarOnline.com, Jimenez confirmed that the letters were written by van der Sloot, he went on to claim that he has returned the $75,000 to Hamer (she denies she has received it at time of this posting), and said his client is now upset with him.

"[Joran] is very upset with me for returning the money, I did it [Monday]. Mary Hamer asked me to return it to her after listening to Joran admit to his crime," the lawyer told RadarOnline.com.

"That upset him very much and he saw me as a traitor."
 ::snipping2::

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-begs-guardian-angel-handwritten-letter


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 19, 2012, 01:55:43 PM
::snipping2::

Later in his letter, Joran asked Mary for more money. "I need apart from the balance of $69,000 I need $1,000 for a new phone so I will be able to communicate with you again.

"Please don't take any action until we are able to speak again which if everything goes well will be within a couple of days.

 ::snipping2::

"P.S. I love you but what you are doing to Mr. Jimenez is not fair. Altez stole over $80,000 of your and my money. Mr. Jimenez has everything documented."

 ::snipping2::

In an exclusive e-mail to RadarOnline.com, Jimenez confirmed that the letters were written by van der Sloot, he went on to claim that he has returned the $75,000 to Hamer (she denies she has received it at time of this posting), and said his client is now upset with him.

"[Joran] is very upset with me for returning the money, I did it [Monday]. Mary Hamer asked me to return it to her after listening to Joran admit to his crime," the lawyer told RadarOnline.com.

"That upset him very much and he saw me as a traitor."
::snipping2::

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-begs-guardian-angel-handwritten-letter

Jimenez can be thankful that he was not alone with Joran on a beach or in a hotel room when this monster perceived a betrayal ... this monster who is unable to control his ragel.

Janet

+++++


Monkeys Media Reminder … Beth Holloway & Peter R. DeVries on Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio
February 13th, 2008


Beth Holloway:

47:50 - "I feel strongly that he (Joran) is a time bomb that is waiting to go off.  He will strike again.  It is not just for Natalee that I would like to see him behind bars.  I think he has shown us all he has no control over himself or his actions."

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/monkeys-media-reminder-beth-holloway-peter-r-devries-on-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio/




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: yuknomenot on January 19, 2012, 01:56:05 PM
Also, from the article above --

Quote
"The key concern of mine is the unprofessional conduct of Attorney Jimenez," said Hamer from the Lake City, Florida, in an exclusive interview with filmmaker Albert Harris, Jr of Whitelight Productions and cameraman Kell Ramos, that was recorded as part of their upcoming documentary on van der Sloot.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-lawyer-ripped-claims-guardian-angel


 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
So is all this screaming about the money nothing more than a publicity stunt? Since they interviewed crazy Mary, it's probably a safe assumption that they are telling urine's version of events. There is a Whitelight Productions in Johnson City, TN.  Makes me think of that Todd Black/Gil Cabot person for some reason.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 19, 2012, 01:57:01 PM
The saga continues ....


Joran Van Der Sloot Begs His 'Guardian Angel' For More Money, Read His Handwritten Letter
Posted on Jan 19, 2012 @ 11:11AM
 

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-begs-guardian-angel-handwritten-letter

From page 3:

It looks as if Joran has been spending Mary's money playing on-line poker in the final days of his trial (1-9, 1-11, and 1-14) and LOSING to the tune of $1400.

Perdido Joran -translates into Joran LOST


It is interesting that according to page 3 he has $69,001.07 in his bank account.  Lawyer states he returned Sugar Mary's money on Monday which was the 16th.  Too bad the bank statement only goes to the 14th.  Lots of ATM withdrawls (retiro por cajero)

27 Dec 500
28 Dec 100
30 Dec  40
03 Jan 500
09 Jan 500
10 Jan  40
11 Jan 400
14 Jan 500
_______________
       2,580  in CASH in just over two weeks


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 19, 2012, 02:35:31 PM
I just noticed that the account is a US savings account.  So the $2580 US cash converts to $6,794 Peruvian Sols. 

Mary Mary Sugar Plum mentioned that the monthly legal fees were $1600.  Not sure if that was US or Sols but Urine is chewing through the $7500 faster than termites can eat pinocchio's nose   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 19, 2012, 02:40:30 PM
Also, from the article above --

Quote
"The key concern of mine is the unprofessional conduct of Attorney Jimenez," said Hamer from the Lake City, Florida, in an exclusive interview with filmmaker Albert Harris, Jr of Whitelight Productions and cameraman Kell Ramos, that was recorded as part of their upcoming documentary on van der Sloot.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-lawyer-ripped-claims-guardian-angel


 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
So is all this screaming about the money nothing more than a publicity stunt? Since they interviewed crazy Mary, it's probably a safe assumption that they are telling urine's version of events. There is a Whitelight Productions in Johnson City, TN.  Makes me think of that Todd Black/Gil Cabot person for some reason.

BINGO!!

However ... I suspect that Mary Hamer may be a willing participant ... a willing participant attempting to regain her losses through Whitelight Productions.

$75,000?  In the past couple of days I think there was a copy of an email from Mary Hamer posted on the forum ... an email released by Joran van der Sloots attorney where Mary authorizes Joran's fine to be paid with the $75,000 "bail" moneys she sent.

Janet

+++++


Peru to beef up Joran van der Sloot charges
Published on 17 September 2011 - 3:38pm


At the first public hearing, on 12 September 2011, Mr Van der Sloot was charged with murder and robbery. The Public Prosecutor called for a 30-year jail sentence and damages of 50,000 euros.

The lawyer for the victim’s family said the charges should not be “murder followed by robbery” but “robbery followed by murder”, which carries a life sentence. He also rejected the 50,000 euro compensation as insufficient.

The judge hearing the case has instructed the Public Prosecutor to reformulate the charges, which will delay the trial.

<snipped>

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/peru-beef-joran-van-der-sloot-charges


Joran van der Sloot sentenced to 28 years for murder of Peruvian woman
Published January 13, 2012


<snipped>

Joran van der Sloot has been sentenced to 28 years in prison after pleading guilty to the 2010 murder of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman he had met at a casino in Lima.

Van der Sloot was also ordered to pay $75,000 in reparations by a three-judge panel in Lima for the "cruel" and "ferocious" murder that took place exactly five years to the day after the disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba. He showed no emotion as the court clerk read the sentence, describing how he elbowed Flores in the face then beat and strangled her with his bloodied shirt

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-to-be-sentenced-for-murder-peruvian-woman/?test=latestnews

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 19, 2012, 04:19:59 PM
Joran van der Sloot brutally murdered the daughter of an influential Peruvian citizen  yet ... this monster was receiving perferential treatment within the prison system from the getgo.  Why?  Where was the pressure originating?

Janet

++++++

Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM


<snipped>

The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.

"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.

<snipped>

http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html



Broke?

NANCY GRACE
Van Der Sloot Confession Transcript Released
Aired June 14, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Here is an e-mail exchange between you and Joran Van Der Sloot where he says, happy birthday, I hope you had a good day. This is May 29.

And remember how important family and friends are. By the way, can you send me some money through Western Union tomorrow? Remember that?

JOHN LUDWICK, FRIEND OF JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I do.

GRACE: Did you send him money?

LUDWICK: No, I didn`t. He had told me -- that was the evening of May 29th and I guess the alleged event happened later -- a few hours later into the 30th. But he told me he needed money to get back to Aruba. So, I mean, before I had a chance to help him out, I couldn`t get ahold of him. And then the news said what it said.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/14/ng.01.html



Who or what forces were underwriting Joran van der Sloots lifestyle within the walls of Castro Castro prior to Mary Hamer's entrance on the scene?  Ricardo Flores was concerned from the getgo.  I wish he had followed through on Monday's press conference ... Monday's press conference that may have afforded an answer to my question.  Nevertheless ... I trust that whatever the reason it did not happen ... it was valid.  The roller coaster of emotions that Stephany's family is currently experiencing must be a literal h---.

Can it be assumed that all Dutch citizens who are detain on suspicion of a crime in a foreign country can expect immediate visits by delegates from the Dutch Embassy ... visits to assure they are being treated well ... visits to provide consultation? 

Janet

++++++

Dutch Embassy - Peru

Official: Van der Sloot confesses to Peru slaying
updated 6/8/2010 11:17:34 AM ET


<snipped>
 
Dutch Embassy chief consular officer Angela Lowe said her government was providing van der Sloot with "regular consular assistance, which means an occasional consular visit, and we will make sure he is being treated decently, just like any other inmate."  She said Peruvian authorities have assured the Dutch government they are treating him well. "They are taking this case very seriously," she added. "The world is watching."

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37542848/ns/world_news-americas/t/official-van-der-sloot-confesses-peru-slaying/


Dutch Embassy - Chile

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Van Der Sloot Captured on Murder Charge
Aired June 3, 2010 - 19:00:00   ET


<snipped>

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Vinda De Sousa is on the line. She is the Aruban attorney for Natalee Holloway`s dad, Dave.  Vinda, we have just learned that a delegation from the Dutch embassy visited Joran minutes ago in a Chilean jail. ...

OK. What are your thoughts of the fact that the Dutch embassy visited him in jail in Chile?

DE SOUSA: Well, you know, that`s -- that`s not unusual. Whenever a Dutch citizen is jailed abroad, either the embassy or the consul general will visit the person detained or in custody, being a Dutch citizen, to offer assistance, it`s part of the Dutch policy.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/03/ijvm.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 19, 2012, 06:10:33 PM
Joran van der Sloot brutally murdered the daughter of an influential Peruvian citizen  yet ... this monster was receiving perferential treatment within the prison system from the getgo.  Why?  Where was the pressure originating?

Janet

++++++

Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM


<snipped>

The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.

"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.

<snipped>

http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html


Could the "immediate" involvement by the Dutch Consulate as an advocate for Joran van der Sloot be what Ricardo Flores is referencing in the above statement.

Janet

++++++


June 6, 2010

Van der Sloot arrives at Lima police headquarters
June 6, 2010 -- Updated 1916 GMT (0316 HKT)


<snipped>

The Dutch Consulate is now involved in the case and has volunteered a defense attorney for van der Sloot, according to Carlos Neyra, a spokesman for the Peruvian Investigative Police.

The Dutch Consulate has told Peruvian authorities that it is not comfortable with the way van der Sloot has been presented to the media, Neyra said. The Peruvian Minister of the Interior is asking authorities not to talk about the case without his authorization.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/05/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T2


What to do if you are arrested abroad

More than 2,500 Dutch nationals are in prison abroad, mostly for smuggling drugs. The embassy and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will assist them, for instance by contacting a lawyer and providing information about criminal justice in the country concerned. ....

<snipped>

Legal assistance

If you have broken the law abroad, you will be subject to that country’s legal system. Having a Dutch passport makes no difference to this fact. You will be treated in the same way as anyone else who is arrested.

The embassy cannot ensure that you will be released or receive preferential treatment. But it can help you find:
• a (new) lawyer. The embassy will not pay for the lawyer. It may ask your relatives for money to pay for legal assistance;
• information about the country’s judicial system, such as how long you may be kept in custody awaiting trial, whether you can be released on bail, and how you can appeal;
• an interpreter;
• information about whether it is possible to serve your sentence in the Netherlands.

<snipped>

Complaints about detention
 
Do you have any complaints about the conditions or your treatment in prison? Every prison has a complaints procedure. First, report your complaint to the prison. If that doesn’t help, discuss your complaint with the embassy.

The embassy or consulate can only complain to the prison on your behalf if you are being treated worse than your fellow inmates. If that is the case, the embassy will – after discussions with you – insist that you be treated humanely. If your human rights are being violated – for instance, if you are being tortured – the Netherlands will hold the country detaining you responsible.

<snipped>

Read more:

http://lebanon.nlembassy.org/services/emergencies/emergencies/minbuza%3Ashare/what-to-do-if-you-are-arrested-abroad.html

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 19, 2012, 06:34:14 PM
FLASHBACK - SEPTEMBER, 2005

Who Can We Trust?

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 182: September 1 Helen calls to say the court is asking for DNA from the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot and that their attorneys are fighting this.  She also says the suspects are pointing the finger at one another.

Page 183: Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says.  Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information.  So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

Natalee's handwriting on her immigration card states that the duration of her stay here would be four nights.  It has been ninety-five.  And I have painstakingly counted every one of them.

When Helen calls, I stand in a corner of the hotel room, phone to my ear, tapping my head against the wall over and over.  Tears fall hard.  "I'm done, Helen.  I'm done.  No justice for Natalee in Aruba.  I'm done."

Page 185: The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a restaurant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 19, 2012, 09:25:49 PM
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/shadow-boxing/201201/cant-touch

Can't Touch This!
Why did van der Sloot yawn?
Published on January 18, 2012 by Katherine Ramsland in Shadow Boxing

Joran van der Sloot, scheduled to plead guilty to murder earlier this month, wanted more time to "reflect" on the deal he would make. He seemed to think that the court should accommodate him, and even yawned widely to punctuate his arrogance. Certain offenders display a perplexing resilience. It's called narcissistic immunity, or "Teflon narcissism." They think they're special.

You might see this attitude in a risk-taking CEO, a celebrity athlete, even a musician, but you'll definitely find it in many extreme or repeat offenders. They rebound easily from setbacks, because they're confident of their invulnerability - even when evidence is clearly against them. That's because narcissistic immunity is entrenched in their personality; it's a survival mechanism that's devoted to blind self-protection. Van der Sloot said he wanted to give a "sincere confession," which he knew was a doorway to a reduced sentence. It was another ploy in a life of manipulation.
 ::snipping2::
Narcissistic immunity is akin to magical thinking, a distorted belief about how the world will - must -- support them. They believe they're "protected" due to their special status: something will always save them. They have a "destiny." They won't get caught, but if they do, then they won't be convicted. If they are, then they'll win an appeal. If they don't, then they'll escape. Their self-investment is so certain in their minds that they cannot conceive of paying the same price for their deeds as "ordinary people" do.
 ::snipping2::
The irony is that while they believe they're set apart from others, they desperately need others to affirm their superiority. Unlike the myth that features the self-loving Greek figure Narcissus, isolated mirror-gazing is not sufficient. They must hear from others how great they are. Their egos are quite fragile, so they respond badly to being challenged or humiliated. They harbor grudges and fiercely defend their perception of themselves.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 19, 2012, 10:27:30 PM
FLASHBACK - SEPTEMBER, 2005

Who Can We Trust?

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 182: September 1 Helen calls to say the court is asking for DNA from the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot and that their attorneys are fighting this.  She also says the suspects are pointing the finger at one another.

Page 183: Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says.  Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information.  So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

Natalee's handwriting on her immigration card states that the duration of her stay here would be four nights.  It has been ninety-five.  And I have painstakingly counted every one of them.

When Helen calls, I stand in a corner of the hotel room, phone to my ear, tapping my head against the wall over and over.  Tears fall hard.  "I'm done, Helen.  I'm done.  No justice for Natalee in Aruba.  I'm done."

Page 185: The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a restaurant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?



How is in the heck is this possible?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 20, 2012, 04:42:57 AM
Janet, Jamcakes, MonkeyKing...

Mary had to work really hard to get Joran and Anita Van der Piggles all that money.

I read it in her own words, how she described some banks would not cooperate. Some said "We don't like Joran"

She was really hacked she kept being turned down to wire them cash. It takes hard work to be a horse's kazoo.

Has she learned in anything from it? I will not hold my breath. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 20, 2012, 05:50:55 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

ARUBA
URINE
ANITA
DEEPAK
SATISH


JUSTICE NEVER SLEEPS...IT IS COMING FOR YOU




 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 20, 2012, 07:53:50 AM
Janet, Jamcakes, MonkeyKing...

Mary had to work really hard to get Joran and Anita Van der Piggles all that money.

I read it in her own words, how she described some banks would not cooperate. Some said "We don't like Joran"

She was really hacked she kept being turned down to wire them cash. It takes hard work to be a horse's kazoo.

Has she learned in anything from it? I will not hold my breath. ::MonkeyNoNo::

It certainly does seem she kept running into people with "horse sense". 

 ::MonkeyReindeer::  (Hay, get it, that's the closest I could come to a horse at the moment!!)

You'd think some of it would have rubbed off!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 20, 2012, 11:59:21 AM
Janet, Jamcakes, MonkeyKing...

Mary had to work really hard to get Joran and Anita Van der Piggles all that money.

I read it in her own words, how she described some banks would not cooperate. Some said "We don't like Joran"

She was really hacked she kept being turned down to wire them cash. It takes hard work to be a horse's kazoo.

Has she learned in anything from it? I will not hold my breath. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe that is why Joran's account is at an American bank.  I don't think American banks can discriminate and not cooperate.

It's sad.  Joran had to buy his friends and it seems so does Mary Hamer.  2 peas in a pod.  They deserve each other.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 20, 2012, 12:42:04 PM
Janet, Jamcakes, MonkeyKing...

Mary had to work really hard to get Joran and Anita Van der Piggles all that money.

I read it in her own words, how she described some banks would not cooperate. Some said "We don't like Joran"

She was really hacked she kept being turned down to wire them cash. It takes hard work to be a horse's kazoo.

Has she learned in anything from it? I will not hold my breath. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe that is why Joran's account is at an American bank.  I don't think American banks can discriminate and not cooperate.

It's sad.  Joran had to buy his friends and it seems so does Mary Hamer.  2 peas in a pod.  They deserve each other.

I don't either.  Banks are there to make money, same as everyone else.

I think her claims are more for attention.   :2boohoo:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 20, 2012, 08:02:45 PM
2-page article

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/21/joran-van-der-sloot-loses-support-of-guardian-angel-mary-hamer.html

Joran Van Der Sloot Loses Support of ‘Guardian Angel’ Mary Hamer
Jan 21, 2012 5:58 PM EST Sentenced to 28 years in the killing of Peruvian student Stephany Flores, Joran Van der Sloot has been moved to a maximum-security prison—and cut off from Dr. Mary Hamer, who says she wants her money back.

 ::snipping2::

The Lake City, Fla.-based Hamer now says she was swindled out of her $75,000 and accuses Van der Sloot’s attorney, Jimenez, of unprofessional conduct.

But in late December, Hamer hinted in an email to Jimenez that he could use the money to bribe prison authorities not to transfer Van der Sloot to a prison over two hours north of Lima. “Joran can use the money however he wants,” she wrote. “For example, if the director threatens to send him to [another prison, Piedras Gordas], to use this money to negotiate with the director and keep Joran safe.”

“She proclaims his innocence through incoherent arguments and has discredited me in the process,” said Jimenez.

The attorney says he returned the money to her over Van der Sloot’s objections, though she says she has not received it.

As Van der Sloot tries to win Hamer over once more, two more notes show how desperately he has been pleading for her support. One contains an accounting summary of the money he had tucked away in his attorney’s savings account, and a note on the bottom begs her to continue supporting him. He says he not only needs $69,000, but also another $1,000 to buy a new phone.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: wreck on January 20, 2012, 08:24:41 PM
anyone watching the Joran Vander Sloot story on "Biography Channel??  Well done so far -- starring "Aline" (who is delusional)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: GrnLizrd on January 20, 2012, 08:30:32 PM
Hi Monkeys!  You know I'm always here!  Just a quick note that Bio has on a repeat of "Who is the Real Joran van der Sloot?"  I'm guessing it will be updated as they usually do if anyone is interested.  It's dated 2010.  Sorry just found it a sec ago or would have put info up sooner


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: GrnLizrd on January 20, 2012, 08:32:14 PM
anyone watching the Joran Vander Sloot story on "Biography Channel??  Well done so far -- starring "Aline" (who is delusional)

 ::monkeywine2::
 I type Much slower since the accident Wreck ::MonkeyTongue:: you musta posted this as I was loggin in to post


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 20, 2012, 08:41:24 PM
anyone watching the Joran Vander Sloot story on "Biography Channel??  Well done so far -- starring "Aline" (who is delusional)

 ::monkeywine2::
 I type Much slower since the accident Wreck ::MonkeyTongue:: you musta posted this as I was loggin in to post

I don't get the "Biography Channel."  Please share if you hear something new.  TIA

GrnLizrd, get well soon.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: GrnLizrd on January 20, 2012, 09:12:42 PM
Hi Grace,
I think it was well done covered most everything from start to finish.  They did update but it was just typed at the end about the conviction.  Maybe you will be able to find it on the bio chan. online not sure.  Thanks for the well wishes and hope all is well with you.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 20, 2012, 09:15:08 PM
Oh, boy!

1) Mary Hamer wants to use Jiminez as a reason to get a mistrial for Joran

2) If Joran allows Jiminez to file his sentencing appeal, wouldn't that negate any request for a mistrial by implying continued trust?

3) Why an apartment?

4) Why bring up the Anita money now after 1 1/2 years?

5)  Why am I enjoying this so much?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe because there is a real sense of "justice" to what's happening to Mary and until recently there has been no justice at all in this case!

I'm having a good time with it too, Jamcakes!     ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 20, 2012, 09:26:51 PM
anyone watching the Joran Vander Sloot story on "Biography Channel??  Well done so far -- starring "Aline" (who is delusional)

 ::monkeywine2::
 I type Much slower since the accident Wreck ::MonkeyTongue:: you musta posted this as I was loggin in to post


It's good see you GrnLizrd!  I'm sorry to hear you've had an accident.  Get well soon!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 20, 2012, 09:36:29 PM


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe because there is a real sense of "justice" to what's happening to Mary and until recently there has been no justice at all in this case!

I'm having a good time with it too, Jamcakes!     ::MonkeyJnBox::

Personally, I have never understood how some women find Joran attractive/and or charming and/or believable.  We all watched in horror how Greta got sucked in during her 3-part interview with him. And we wondered how an educated woman like Mary Hamer could be so duped. Thank God the Peruvian judges saw straight through him!

I bet his ex-girlfriends are counting their blessings that they are still alive. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 20, 2012, 09:36:34 PM
Also, from the article above --

Quote
"The key concern of mine is the unprofessional conduct of Attorney Jimenez," said Hamer from the Lake City, Florida, in an exclusive interview with filmmaker Albert Harris, Jr of Whitelight Productions and cameraman Kell Ramos, that was recorded as part of their upcoming documentary on van der Sloot.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-lawyer-ripped-claims-guardian-angel


 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
So is all this screaming about the money nothing more than a publicity stunt? Since they interviewed crazy Mary, it's probably a safe assumption that they are telling urine's version of events. There is a Whitelight Productions in Johnson City, TN.  Makes me think of that Todd Black/Gil Cabot person for some reason.

Doesn't look like Johnson City..........
The two persons that are mentioned at the link seem to be New York/New Jersey based.

http://kellramos.com/2012/01/19/mary-hamer/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 20, 2012, 09:40:57 PM
Hi Grace,
I think it was well done covered most everything from start to finish.  They did update but it was just typed at the end about the conviction.  Maybe you will be able to find it on the bio chan. online not sure.  Thanks for the well wishes and hope all is well with you.

YW, GrnLizrd.  Welcome back and post more often--as much as you can, of course.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 20, 2012, 09:46:47 PM
Sorry! I should have mentioned that I live in one of the "Tri-Cities" that include Johnson City, TN and am aware of White Light Productions. They do weddings, high school productions, and some local commercials. It seemed unlikely they'd be producing a documentary around Mary so I went digging.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 20, 2012, 09:52:10 PM
Joran wants $1,000 so that he can "buy" a new cellphone and talk to Mary--Good luck with that idea; the prison has a cellphone jammer!

Quote
On Jan. 14, Van der Sloot was transferred to the maximum security prison Ancon I, once known as “Piedras Gordas” or “Fat Rocks,” which holds the country’s highest-profile criminals and is considered the most modern penitentiary in Peru. It has a cellphone jammer installed that may hinder further communications with Hamer

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/21/joran-van-der-sloot-loses-support-of-guardian-angel-mary-hamer.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 20, 2012, 10:21:22 PM
Joran wants $1,000 so that he can "buy" a new cellphone and talk to Mary--Good luck with that idea; the prison has a cellphone jammer!

Quote
On Jan. 14, Van der Sloot was transferred to the maximum security prison Ancon I, once known as “Piedras Gordas” or “Fat Rocks,” which holds the country’s highest-profile criminals and is considered the most modern penitentiary in Peru. It has a cellphone jammer installed that may hinder further communications with Hamer

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/21/joran-van-der-sloot-loses-support-of-guardian-angel-mary-hamer.html


a Hamer jammer - sounds like lyrics in a rap song!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 20, 2012, 10:40:39 PM

On Jan. 14, Van der Sloot was transferred to the maximum security prison Ancon I, once known as “Piedras Gordas” or “Fat Rocks,” which holds the country’s highest-profile criminals and is considered the most modern penitentiary in Peru. It has a cellphone jammer installed that may hinder further communications with Hamer

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/21/joran-van-der-sloot-loses-support-of-guardian-angel-mary-hamer.html


Keeping Cell Phones Out of Jail Cells

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_18/b4226042114325.htm

 ::snipping2::

Cell phone jammers are already used by prisons in Mexico, France, Australia, and elsewhere. In the U.S., though, phone jamming is illegal (except when done by a federal agency) under a 1934 law that prohibits deliberately interfering with radio signals. A bill that would have allowed prisons to jam cell phone signals was passed by the U.S. Senate in 2009 but died in a House committee. Representative Kevin Brady (R-Tex.) plans to reintroduce a similar measure this spring. "We have the technology to block illegal cell phone calls," Brady says. "We just need to remove government roadblocks to be able to use it."

 ::snipping2::

Why am I not surprised the US doesn't allow cell phone jammers?

I wonder what the ACLU will have to say if the law ever changes in the USA?




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 20, 2012, 11:23:52 PM
Joran wants $1,000 so that he can "buy" a new cellphone and talk to Mary--Good luck with that idea; the prison has a cellphone jammer!

Quote
On Jan. 14, Van der Sloot was transferred to the maximum security prison Ancon I, once known as “Piedras Gordas” or “Fat Rocks,” which holds the country’s highest-profile criminals and is considered the most modern penitentiary in Peru. It has a cellphone jammer installed that may hinder further communications with Hamer

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/21/joran-van-der-sloot-loses-support-of-guardian-angel-mary-hamer.html


It is my hope that Ricardo Flores does not learn that Joran van der Sloot is being afforded privileges at Piedras Gordas Prison which equate those he received at Castro Castrol Prison.

It appears that Joran has already been afforded letter contact with Mary Hamer since his arrival at Piedras Gordas last Friday afternoon ... letter contact requesting $70,000 ... letter contact that implies cell phone service is imminent.   

Janet

++++++

Miguel Castro Castro Prison

Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM


<snipped>

The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.

"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters.  "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.

<snipped>

http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html


Piedras Gordas Prison

Peru Court Sentences Van Der Sloot to 28 Years
LIMA, Peru January 13, 2012 (AP)


<snipped>

Late Friday, prison authorities told the AP that Van der Sloot had been transferred to the high-security Piedras Gordas prison in northern Lima in response to reports that he had enjoyed privileges like television, internet access and a cell phone in Castro Castro prison. Piedras Gordas holds local crime bosses and terrorism convicts, including Shining Path guerrillas.

"He will be in an individual cell at Piedras Gordas to give authorities greater control of him and cut off some of the facilities he has had in Castro Castro," said prison service spokeswoman Janeth Sanchez.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/court-sentence-van-der-sloot-murder-15354004


Joran Van Der Sloot Begs His 'Guardian Angel' For More Money
Read His Handwritten Letter

Posted on Jan 19, 2012 @ 05:30PM

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-begs-guardian-angel-handwritten-letter





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 20, 2012, 11:26:01 PM
Joran wants $1,000 so that he can "buy" a new cellphone and talk to Mary--Good luck with that idea; the prison has a cellphone jammer!

Quote
On Jan. 14, Van der Sloot was transferred to the maximum security prison Ancon I, once known as “Piedras Gordas” or “Fat Rocks,” which holds the country’s highest-profile criminals and is considered the most modern penitentiary in Peru. It has a cellphone jammer installed that may hinder further communications with Hamer

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/21/joran-van-der-sloot-loses-support-of-guardian-angel-mary-hamer.html



It is my hope that Ricardo Flores does not learn that Joran van der Sloot is being afforded privileges at Piedras Gordas Prison which equate those he received at Castro Castrol Prison.

It appears that Joran has already been afforded letter contact with Mary Hamer since his arrival at Piedras Gordas last Friday afternoon ... letter contact requesting $70,000 ... letter contact that implies cell phone service is imminent.   

Janet

++++++

Miguel Castro Castro Prison

Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM


<snipped>

The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.

"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters.  "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.

<snipped>

http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html


Piedras Gordas Prison

Peru Court Sentences Van Der Sloot to 28 Years
LIMA, Peru January 13, 2012 (AP)


<snipped>

Late Friday, prison authorities told the AP that Van der Sloot had been transferred to the high-security Piedras Gordas prison in northern Lima in response to reports that he had enjoyed privileges like television, internet access and a cell phone in Castro Castro prison. Piedras Gordas holds local crime bosses and terrorism convicts, including Shining Path guerrillas.

"He will be in an individual cell at Piedras Gordas to give authorities greater control of him and cut off some of the facilities he has had in Castro Castro," said prison service spokeswoman Janeth Sanchez.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/court-sentence-van-der-sloot-murder-15354004


Joran Van Der Sloot Begs His 'Guardian Angel' For More Money
Read His Handwritten Letter

Posted on Jan 19, 2012 @ 05:30PM

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-begs-guardian-angel-handwritten-letter




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 20, 2012, 11:26:58 PM
Grace

I apologize for getting into your space.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 20, 2012, 11:53:28 PM
Grace

I apologize for getting into your space.

Janet

No problem.   ::piggy::   If Joran gets a cell phone, he'll probably use it as a paper weight.  ::MonkeyCool::
 


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Post by: grace-land on January 21, 2012, 12:17:58 AM
Joran wants $1,000 so that he can "buy" a new cellphone and talk to Mary--Good luck with that idea; the prison has a cellphone jammer!

Quote
On Jan. 14, Van der Sloot was transferred to the maximum security prison Ancon I, once known as “Piedras Gordas” or “Fat Rocks,” which holds the country’s highest-profile criminals and is considered the most modern penitentiary in Peru. It has a cellphone jammer installed that may hinder further communications with Hamer

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/21/joran-van-der-sloot-loses-support-of-guardian-angel-mary-hamer.html


a Hamer jammer - sounds like lyrics in a rap song!

Yep, it sure does; however, I think that Joran will probably be singing some down home Blues.   :)


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Post by: wreck on January 21, 2012, 01:29:48 AM
I only want Joran in the U.S.A. if the Peruvian system fails. We treat prisoners too nice here.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 21, 2012, 01:58:16 AM
I only want Joran in the U.S.A. if the Peruvian system fails. We treat prisoners too nice here.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 21, 2012, 02:14:46 AM
jamcakes

Sorry for getting into your box--got distracted by the music!  I visualized MH doing a rap outside by the prison gates, and Joran sitting in his cell singing the blues!  lol


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 21, 2012, 02:22:12 AM
I only want Joran in the U.S.A. if the Peruvian system fails. We treat prisoners too nice here.

I agree.  He'd enjoy it too much. 


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Post by: crazybabyborg on January 21, 2012, 03:59:16 AM
I started counting how many times Mary says, "Attorney "Ye-ma-nez", and couldn't count that high. Geeez........... personally, I don't think this chick is really upset about the money loss. I think she just wants to get the sentence thrown out. She's making a public declaration that Anita took advantage of her, too? Who asked her to send Anita money in the first place; particularly when Mary says that Anita's response to her was that "Some people aren't for saving!"

Mary's a real piece of work. Here's the video (prolly already posted, but I hadn't seen it):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fau7rc1uSV8


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 21, 2012, 07:58:20 AM
jamcakes

Sorry for getting into your box--got distracted by the music!  I visualized MH doing a rap outside by the prison gates, and Joran sitting in his cell singing the blues!  lol


Grace -

No problem.  I had already messed up the quote stack by posting in someone elses box.

I love the music visuals you suggest.
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 21, 2012, 09:04:45 AM
I started counting how many times Mary says, "Attorney "Ye-ma-nez", and couldn't count that high. Geeez........... personally, I don't think this chick is really upset about the money loss. I think she just wants to get the sentence thrown out. She's making a public declaration that Anita took advantage of her, too? Who asked her to send Anita money in the first place; particularly when Mary says that Anita's response to her was that "Some people aren't for saving!"

Mary's a real piece of work. Here's the video (prolly already posted, but I hadn't seen it):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fau7rc1uSV8

Hadn't seen the video.

She really thinks she's got something there with that JVS.

Dellusional and Dumb! (AND has money!  What a deal for JVS!)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 21, 2012, 11:43:18 AM
Could it be that Joran's attorney was anticipating his client's release from Peruvian lockup on the 18 month deadline at the beginning of December to serve the month prior to trial in an apartment?  Considering Joran is obviously a flight risk ... could it be that something akin to "bail" would have been required that Mary Hamer was willing to post?

Janet

++++

Original murder charge against van der Sloot will stand
November 22, 2011


<snipped>

Meanwhile, van der Sloot's lawyer said that he plans to file a motion with the court, requesting his client be set free.

As of early next month, van der Sloot will have spent 18 months in Peruvian prison. Jimenez will argue that under Peruvian law, it is considered excessive imprisonment when a person has been jailed for more than 18 months without having had his day in court.

"The delay is not his fault. We have been acting in good faith. He has been cooperating with the authorities. And they still don't have a translator," said Jimenez.

It will be up to the court to decide whether van der Sloot is freed. Because of the case's complexity, a judge could rule to keep him behind bars. Once Jimenez presents his habeas corpus motion, a panel of judges will meet to interview van der Sloot and make a determination.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/22/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/



Failed Habeas Corpus

Joran Van Der Sloot Loses Support of ‘Guardian Angel’ Mary Hamer
Jan 21, 2012 4:45 AM EST

 
On the day Joran Van der Sloot pleaded guilty to killing Peruvian college student Stephany Flores and was sentenced to 28 years in prison, he wrote his benefactor, Dr. Mary Hamer, a series of letters designed to persuade her to continue supporting him. The divorced radiologist, 55, had decided to cut him off after hearing his guilty plea, and she demanded that his attorney give back the $75,000 she had sent him for what she described as bail money.

<snipped>

Hamer wants the money returned immediately, she told attorney Jose Jimenez, who received the funds in November and was supposed to hand them over to Van der Sloot. Jimenez said he never used the term “bail” with Hamer, “because it was never an option,” he said. “I said many times that we would file for habeas corpus, being that my client had been imprisoned for over 18 months without a trial. If we would have been successful, he would have had expenses to cover, like an apartment we were setting up for him, just in case.”

<snipped>

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/21/joran-van-der-sloot-loses-support-of-guardian-angel-mary-hamer.html

s.t.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 21, 2012, 11:57:42 AM

Joran Van Der Sloot Loses Support of ‘Guardian Angel’ Mary Hamer
Jan 21, 2012 4:45 AM EST


<snipped>

The Lake City, Fla.-based Hamer now says she was swindled out of her $75,000 and accuses Van der Sloot’s attorney, Jimenez, of unprofessional conduct.

But in late December, Hamer hinted in an email to Jimenez that he could use the money to bribe prison authorities not to transfer Van der Sloot to a prison over two hours north of Lima. “Joran can use the money however he wants,” she wrote. “For example, if the director threatens to send him to [another prison, Piedras Gordas], to use this money to negotiate with the director and keep Joran safe.”

“She proclaims his innocence through incoherent arguments and has discredited me in the process,” said Jimenez.

The attorney says he returned the money to her over Van der Sloot’s objections, though she says she has not received it.

<snipped>

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/21/joran-van-der-sloot-loses-support-of-guardian-angel-mary-hamer.html

s.t.



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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 21, 2012, 12:08:22 PM

Joran Van Der Sloot Loses Support of ‘Guardian Angel’ Mary Hamer
Jan 21, 2012 4:45 AM EST


<snipped>

As Van der Sloot tries to win Hamer over once more, two more notes show how desperately he has been pleading for her support. One contains an accounting summary of the money he had tucked away in his attorney’s savings account, and a note on the bottom begs her to continue supporting him. He says he not only needs $69,000, but also another $1,000 to buy a new phone.

”Please don’t take any action until we are able to speak again,” he writes. “I beg you to hold on until that time so I can explain everything to you. I will show you that you have always been right about me.”

<snipped>

“What me and Jimenez did was the best and now I still have my appeal to a higher court, which is much more serious,” Van der Sloot writes.

<snipped>

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/21/joran-van-der-sloot-loses-support-of-guardian-angel-mary-hamer.html


Joran Van Der Sloot Begs His 'Guardian Angel' For More Money
Read His Handwritten Letter
Posted on Jan 19, 2012 @ 05:30PM


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-begs-guardian-angel-handwritten-letter

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 21, 2012, 12:23:40 PM
A Midnight Express Prison Anywhere

Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY: And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

<snipped

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Piedras Gordas Maximum Security Prison

Joran Van Der Sloot Loses Support of ‘Guardian Angel’ Mary Hamer
Jan 21, 2012 4:45 AM EST


<snipped>

On Jan. 14, Van der Sloot was transferred to the maximum security prison Ancon I, once known as “Piedras Gordas” or “Fat Rocks,” which holds the country’s highest-profile criminals and is considered the most modern penitentiary in Peru.

<snipped>

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/21/joran-van-der-sloot-loses-support-of-guardian-angel-mary-hamer.html



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Post by: grace-land on January 21, 2012, 12:42:00 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-Guardian-Angel-flying-away/Sqx9n0qB2EqvdT9fD60EFg.cspx

Van der Sloot "Guardian Angel" flying away
January 21, 2012 - 11:25 AM
Published: 8:21 am Updated: 9:11 am

 ::snipping2::

But apparently his guilty plea to killing Flores after the Peruvian student found information about Natalee Holloway on his laptop has jolted Hamer a bit closer to reality.

According to The Daily Beast, Hamer has demanded that van der Sloot and his Lima attorney, Jose Jimenez, return $75,000 she sent them.

Hamer says the money was to be used for bail. Jimenez says he never discussed bail, which was impossible in a murder case. He says he and Hamer discussed a habeus corpus claim and living expenses for van der Sloot if they won that claim. It was denied by the Peruvian Courts.

Jimenez is pretty clearly fed up with Hamer and claims he has returned her money. “She proclaims his innocence through incoherent arguments and has discredited me in the process,” said Jimenez.


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Post by: grace-land on January 21, 2012, 01:09:56 PM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2012/01/sundance-2012-simon-killer-antonio-campos-natalee-holloway-joran-van-der-sloot.html

Sundance 2012: An independent film, by way of Natalee Holloway
January 21, 2012 |  8:30 am

If you've surfed cable news over the last several years, you've probably had one of numerous reactions to the discussion of missing American blondes. Making a film probably wasn't one of them.

Not so, however, for Antonio Campos. A man who represents a part of the Brooklyn producing collective Borderline Films (which yielded the 2011 Sundance breakout "Martha Marcy May Marlene"),  Campos was moved to direct his new movie -- a story titled "Simon Killer," about an American tourist in Paris traveling down a dark path -- when he came across a group of stories about Joran van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot is, of course, the Dutch citizen suspected in the murder of Alabama teenager Natallee Holloway in Aruba six years ago.

"[The] thing that struck us was of a guy who'd been in the news again and again," Campos said after the Park City, Utah, premiere of "Killer" on Friday, referring to the accused Holloway killer who later confessed to the murder of a young woman in Peru.  (Holloway was pronounced legally dead last week after years of fruitless searching; the details of her death remain murky.)

Among the elements Campos noted, he said Friday, was a quote from  Van der Sloot that "'If I had to describe myself as an animal I'd say I was a snake, but I'd like to be a lion, and a lion I will be one day.'" A variation of that line made it into the movie, and the generally disturbing nature of the details was enough to prompt and inform "Simon" writer-director Campos, who produced "Martha Marcy May Marlene" for friend Sean Durkin.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 21, 2012, 02:45:08 PM
I started counting how many times Mary says, "Attorney "Ye-ma-nez", and couldn't count that high. Geeez........... personally, I don't think this chick is really upset about the money loss. I think she just wants to get the sentence thrown out. She's making a public declaration that Anita took advantage of her, too? Who asked her to send Anita money in the first place; particularly when Mary says that Anita's response to her was that "Some people aren't for saving!"

Mary's a real piece of work. Here's the video (prolly already posted, but I hadn't seen it):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fau7rc1uSV8

Hadn't seen the video.

She really thinks she's got something there with that JVS.

Dellusional and Dumb! (AND has money!  What a deal for JVS!)

I know, Monkey King. How does he attract them?  I swear, when I watched the video, I had the firm impression that she didn't care about the money as long as it could provide her a tortured argument that it should allow his sentence to be thrown out.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 21, 2012, 03:19:35 PM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2012/01/sundance-2012-simon-killer-antonio-campos-natalee-holloway-joran-van-der-sloot.html

Sundance 2012: An independent film, by way of Natalee Holloway
January 21, 2012 |  8:30 am

If you've surfed cable news over the last several years, you've probably had one of numerous reactions to the discussion of missing American blondes. Making a film probably wasn't one of them.

Not so, however, for Antonio Campos. A man who represents a part of the Brooklyn producing collective Borderline Films (which yielded the 2011 Sundance breakout "Martha Marcy May Marlene"),  Campos was moved to direct his new movie -- a story titled "Simon Killer," about an American tourist in Paris traveling down a dark path -- when he came across a group of stories about Joran van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot is, of course, the Dutch citizen suspected in the murder of Alabama teenager Natallee Holloway in Aruba six years ago.

"[The] thing that struck us was of a guy who'd been in the news again and again," Campos said after the Park City, Utah, premiere of "Killer" on Friday, referring to the accused Holloway killer who later confessed to the murder of a young woman in Peru.  (Holloway was pronounced legally dead last week after years of fruitless searching; the details of her death remain murky.)

Among the elements Campos noted, he said Friday, was a quote from  Van der Sloot that "'If I had to describe myself as an animal I'd say I was a snake, but I'd like to be a lion, and a lion I will be one day.'" A variation of that line made it into the movie, and the generally disturbing nature of the details was enough to prompt and inform "Simon" writer-director Campos, who produced "Martha Marcy May Marlene" for friend Sean Durkin.
 ::snipping2::


Joran will never be a lion. Lions have great courage.

 A tortured Peruvian cell rat is where it's at, for him.

A very demented one, with a buggy eye, frayed whiskers and a couple of good teeth left. ::lookie::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 21, 2012, 04:05:06 PM

My Pledge

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.  I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.


Mother of Natalee Holloway to speak in Bristol
Published: January 15, 2012


BRISTOL, Va. -- A mother with a story to tell will appear in Bristol this spring, as the first speaker for the Bristol Public Library’s 2012 Discovery Series, library officials will announce Tuesday.

The Bristol Herald Courier has learned that Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway, is expected to speak at 7 p.m. March 22.

“She’s current news and everyone wants to hear her story,” Sarah Hutchinson, the library’s marketing director, said Saturday afternoon. “Instead of hearing her on the news, people will hear from her.”

Holloway’s appearance is timely, as it will come just months after her daughter, Natalee Holloway, was officially pronounced dead by an Alabama judge. That declaration came Thursday – a day after the suspect in the case, Joran van der Sloot, pleaded guilty in Peru to the 2010 murder of another woman.

Van der Sloot is suspected in Holloway’s death but has not been charged in the case.

Beth Holloway is expected to speak about keeping courage in times of adversity, as she dealt with the disappearance during her daughter Natalee’s high school graduation trip to Aruba in 2005.

“She also has something to teach about travel safety,” Hutchinson said. “Really her event will be not only to tell her story but also to teach – obviously safety but also courage through difficult times.”

Hutchinson said Holloway has reached out to the family of the Peruvian girl who was killed. She said the event will be both informative and entertaining.

“It’s something more current, not something forgotten,” she said. “It’s [Natalee Holloway’s case] is something everyone knows about.”

Hutchinson said a private meet and greet will be held before Holloway’s evening lecture.

<snipped>

http://www2.tricities.com/news/2012/jan/15/mother-natalee-holloway-speak-bristol-ar-1612251/

s.t.

 :smt060


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 21, 2012, 04:12:49 PM


Hadn't seen the video.

She really thinks she's got something there with that JVS.

Dellusional and Dumb! (AND has money!  What a deal for JVS!)

I know, Monkey King. How does he attract them?  I swear, when I watched the video, I had the firm impression that she didn't care about the money as long as it could provide her a tortured argument that it should allow his sentence to be thrown out.

When Mary Hamer fell out of the dumb sucker tree, she hit every branch on the way down.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: yuknomenot on January 21, 2012, 06:04:19 PM
Sorry! I should have mentioned that I live in one of the "Tri-Cities" that include Johnson City, TN and am aware of White Light Productions. They do weddings, high school productions, and some local commercials. It seemed unlikely they'd be producing a documentary around Mary so I went digging.   ::MonkeyWink::
Thanks CBB! 


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Post by: Monkey King on January 22, 2012, 03:03:42 AM
I started counting how many times Mary says, "Attorney "Ye-ma-nez", and couldn't count that high. Geeez........... personally, I don't think this chick is really upset about the money loss. I think she just wants to get the sentence thrown out. She's making a public declaration that Anita took advantage of her, too? Who asked her to send Anita money in the first place; particularly when Mary says that Anita's response to her was that "Some people aren't for saving!"

Mary's a real piece of work. Here's the video (prolly already posted, but I hadn't seen it):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fau7rc1uSV8

Hadn't seen the video.

She really thinks she's got something there with that JVS.

Dellusional and Dumb! (AND has money!  What a deal for JVS!)

I know, Monkey King. How does he attract them?  I swear, when I watched the video, I had the firm impression that she didn't care about the money as long as it could provide her a tortured argument that it should allow his sentence to be thrown out.

That's about the craziest thing!

Since the lawyer really wasn't able to get him off, she's trying to make HIM look bad!  I can't help but wonder what excuses JVS gave Mary for murdering Stephany.  You know in his version, I'm sure he made himself out to look like the victim.

I'm amazed just how badly she wants him out. 
What is the benefit to her?  Granted, there's been talk of a movie deal, but what about in the long term, long run?  I'm thinking there's some sort of ulterior movitve that we haven't seen come into play yet.

She's like a mother hen wanting to nuture this bad boy.  I wonder what her ex husband/boyfriends were like in comparison. (I'm not aware of any of the above or children coming forward.)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 22, 2012, 03:06:57 AM


Hadn't seen the video.

She really thinks she's got something there with that JVS.

Dellusional and Dumb! (AND has money!  What a deal for JVS!)

I know, Monkey King. How does he attract them?  I swear, when I watched the video, I had the firm impression that she didn't care about the money as long as it could provide her a tortured argument that it should allow his sentence to be thrown out.

When Mary Hamer fell out of the dumb sucker tree, she hit every branch on the way down.
:smt075 :smt064
I KNEW there was a reasonable explanation!


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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 22, 2012, 09:20:42 PM
THE FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY ALUMNI ASSOCIATION

Sunny Tillman
   

Natalee Holloway is a name most people know and remember. We remember the struggle her family went through when she went missing in Aruba during the summer of 2005. We also recall the tsunami of news coverage surrounding the case. In 2007, Beth Holloway, Natalee’s mom, was approached by Harper Collins Publishers in New York about telling her story. When that time came, she reached out to her longtime friend and media consultant Sunny Tillman for help.

Sunny Tillman is a 1979 graduate of The Florida State University. She has had a very strong media career since graduation. Sunny explains that when she looks back, her career in media and communication had a fortuitous beginning. It all began when a guy stopped her in the mall for an interview for a public affairs radio show. After the interview, the guy told her, “Hey, why don’t you take this job for me?” He was graduating and needed a replacement. Sunny looked into it and ended up getting the job. That one moment changed the course of her professional future. Little did she know how helpful her career in media would become for her friend, Beth Holloway.

Beth Holloway and Sunny Tillman became friends about ten years ago when Beth began dating one of Sunny’s husband’s golf and hunting buddies. Their children grew up together. When Natalee went missing, Sunny and her husband, Hal, decided to jump in with both feet and do everything they could to help. Sunny quit working for almost three years and dedicated her time to helping Beth. As soon as Beth arrived on the island, she called upon Sunny to help her get the story of Natalee’s disappearance on the news. Beth set up the first news story with a FOX affiliate in their local town of Birmingham. She then set up daily press conferences presented by Beth’s sister-in-law. It took only three days for the story to make national news. Sunny and Beth talked everyday about the reports coming in on the island and state side. During this time, Sunny describes Beth as being “heroic and remarkably poised.”  As the whole world watched, Sunny explains, “Everyone could feel Beth’s anguish. She’s the most courageous woman I’ve ever known. I’m still incredibly proud of her bravery and her determination to get answers.”

Throughout this entire endeavor, both Beth Holloway and Sunny Tillman kept journals. Sunny also recorded and saved as many TV interviews as possible. Sunny says it took about two months before the thought, “We might not get Natalee back,” ever crossed her mind. However, Sunny kept journaling simply to help her peace of mind. It was these journals and TV interviews that Beth and Sunny referred to in order to write Loving Natalee.

Loving Natalee is now on the New York Times Best Seller list and has been made into a Lifetime movie. It has been written in Dutch and is printed in both hardback and paperback editions. In spite of the book’s success, Sunny still explains, “I would have rather not written this book. I’d prefer it if none of this had EVER come about. I’d rather Natalee were here getting ready to graduate from college and looking at medical schools. I’d rather Beth and I were still just girlfriends. But everything has changed. I’m just thankful I was able to lend a hand to my friend and pray that in some small way it helped.”

When asked what main message she and Beth wished to convey with this book, Sunny had this to say in response, “The preface says it all.”

“Messages of personal safety, travel safety, and strength of faith are clear in “Loving Natalee.” It’s about hope. It’s about rising from victim to victor. It’s the story of one woman’s courage to fight for her daughter. Every parent and every young adult must read the book.”
 
Beth Holloway now travels and gives safety speeches in an effort to help others and educate people on the reality of her situation. With this work, she hopes to help prevent the experience with Natalee from happening to another family.  If you are interested in learning more about Loving Natalee, please visit this web site.

http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

https://one.fsu.edu/community/Page.aspx?pid=2212&srctid=1&erid=3719399


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 22, 2012, 09:25:06 PM

(http://leadercall.com/archive/x563625244/g00025800000000000029374d63c8ae6630c18d59f5eb785cd45dc76353.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 22, 2012, 09:30:37 PM
 ::snipping2::

On Jan. 14, Van der Sloot was transferred to the maximum security prison Ancon I, once known as “Piedras Gordas” or “Fat Rocks,” which holds the country’s highest-profile criminals and is considered the most modern penitentiary in Peru. It has a cellphone jammer installed that may hinder further communications with Hamer.

Still, money is an issue for Van der Sloot. Shortly after reaching Ancon I, Van der Sloot’s accounting shows he withdrew an additional $500 for his own use behind bars. And from Jan. 3-11, he retrieved more than $1,400 in cash, spent $1,500 in legal fees for December, and used $40 on calling cards.
And now that Natalee Holloway has been declared legally deceased, the case in the United States is expected to take a sharp twist: the Holloway family attorney in Alabama has requested Van der Sloot’s extradition.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/21/joran-van-der-sloot-loses-support-of-guardian-angel-mary-hamer.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 23, 2012, 12:18:53 AM
http://www.rnw.nl/espanol/article/periodismo-de-investigaci%C3%B3n-%C2%BFd%C3%B3nde-est%C3%A1-el-l%C3%ADmite

Google translation

Investigative journalism where is the line?
Posted on: January 22, 2012

Can a journalist with a hidden camera into a foster home to ask difficult questions an elder? It would seem not. But if the old man is convicted war criminal Heinrich Boere, the situation is different. Nevertheless, two Dutch journalists must appear shortly before a German judge. "A disgrace," says the famous German investigative reporter Günter Walraff.

After they were rejected previous requests for an interview, the journalists decided in 2009 to venture a visit to the former member of the SS, Heinrich Boere, who fled to Germany after the war. There was convicted for the shooting deaths of three Dutch in 1941.
 ::snipping2::
Public Interest
Walraff recognizes that the use of hidden cameras is "from the formal legal point of view, something forbidden." But then you have to evaluate the importance of the information given.

The use of hidden cameras in Dutch journalism is not unusual. There are many television programs in which scams or fraudulent companies have been exposed with hidden cameras. Became world famous TV broadcast in which Joran van der Sloot (Peru Dutchman convicted for murder) is captured by a hidden camera when he confesses his involvement in the death of Natalee Holloway American girl.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 23, 2012, 01:59:52 AM

I wonder how soon after the sentencing was JVS moved to the other prison....


I can't remember the exact time they said he was moved, but it was that Friday nite, 1/13/2012 at between 6-10 pm.  I'll see if I can find the article again.

According to this article, JVS was transferred at 6:35 p.m.

http://www.larepublica.pe/14-01-2012/joran-van-der-sloot-fue-trasladado-ex-penal-de-piedras-gordas

Google translation

Saturday, January 14, 2012 | 6:46 pm
Van der Sloot was taken to Fat Piedras, where his sentence

Quote
According to an official statement, at 18:35 pm on the last Friday ordered the transfer abroad from the Castro Castro prison in Piedras BBW, under tight security.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: cadillac on January 23, 2012, 09:28:08 AM


Hadn't seen the video.

She really thinks she's got something there with that JVS.

Dellusional and Dumb! (AND has money!  What a deal for JVS!)
Who in their right mind would wire that kind of money to an attorney or a murderer's mother? No questions asked.

That fact speaks volumes about her. Hope she is not in charge of her business' financials... Just saying.
I know, Monkey King. How does he attract them?  I swear, when I watched the video, I had the firm impression that she didn't care about the money as long as it could provide her a tortured argument that it should allow his sentence to be thrown out.

When Mary Hamer fell out of the dumb sucker tree, she hit every branch on the way down.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: cadillac on January 23, 2012, 09:28:58 AM
I am sorry I got in your box. Awwww....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 23, 2012, 11:29:18 AM
http://trome.pe/actualidad/1364623/noticia-holandes-pidio-reduccion-sentencia

Google translation

Monday January 23, 2012
Dutch asked for sentence reduction

Joran van der Sloot filed a motion to quash the decision of the Third Criminal Court for inmates in jail, which sentenced him to 28 years of deprivation of liberty for murder and robbery simple young Stephany Flores.

The appeal filed by the legal defense of Van der Sloot will be sent to one of the halls of the Supreme Court for evaluation and issue a final verdict about the legal status of the Dutch currently serving time in prison BBW Stone.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 23, 2012, 11:52:44 AM
Joran Van der Sloot asked to reduce his sentence
 The killer's defense filed its application and one of the courts of the judiciary will evaluate your request.

 Lima. The Dutch citizen Joran Van der Sloot asked the Supreme Court asked to reduce the sentence of 28 years imprisonment imposed on him by the Third Criminal Court for inmates in jail for the murder of Stephany Flores in May 2010.

 ::snipping2::

http://peru.com/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-pide-reducir-su-condena-noticia-39171


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 23, 2012, 11:54:35 AM
Joran Van der Sloot calls for reducing murder conviction
 
 The Dutch brought an action for annulment against the decision of the Third Criminal Court for Prison Inmates that were imposed in 28 years in prison for the murder of Stephany Flores.

 The Dutch citizen Joran Van der Sloot asked the Supreme Court reduced the sentence of 28 years of imprisonment imposed for the murder of young Peruvian Stephany Flores, occurred in May 2010.

 Through its advocacy, the young man filed a motion to quash the decision of the Collegiate 'B' of the Third Criminal Court for Prison Inmates in the death penalty imposed on him after finding him responsible for the crimes of aggravated homicide and robbery simple.

 Once this resource based, will be referred to a Chamber of the Supreme Court to adopt a final decision, according to RPP Noticias.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-23-joran-van-der-sloot-pide-reducir-condena-por-asesinato-noticia_443523.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 23, 2012, 11:56:58 AM
Van der Sloot sentence requires annulment
 Joran wants the ruling of the judge who sentenced him to 28 years in prison, is annulled. He has the Peruvian Supreme Court sent a letter in which he substantiates this request. Peruvian media that report.

 Van der Sloot gave immediately after the verdict that he was the punishment of 28 years is excessive. Furthermore, his first confession "never estimated value.

 Statement directly from the table
 Van der Sloot was considering an appeal, but that's not there, says his lawyer Jose Jimenez Navarro. With an appeal would only be possible sentences. If the Supreme Court approves the invalidation, the verdict of 28 years off the table cell. The court, the application of Van der Sloot study. It may take several months.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2012/01_januari/23/binnenland/joran-van-der-sloot-stuurt-brief-nietigverklaring.xml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 23, 2012, 12:08:43 PM
INSIDER: JORAN MOM THINKS HE SHOULD DIE!
(http://www.nationalenquirer.com/sites/nationalenquirer.com/files/imagecache/node_page_image/article_images/joran__story.jpg)

“Some lives are NOT worth saving,” the heartbroken mother of convicted Dutch thug JORAN van der SLOOT revealed after his sentence was handed down.

He had listened impassively as he was sentenced to 28 years in prison – but once out of sight of a worldwide television audience Joran exploded in a violent rage.


The 24-year-old convicted murderer struggled with guards, kicked a wall and screamed in anger after learning that he was being immediate­ly transferred to Peru’s toughest prison, leav­ing behind the cushy cell filled with amenities he had bought with bribes.

“Then he turned on his attor­ney, accusing him of letting him down and telling him he had no intention of paying the lawyer’s $4,000 fee,” a source told The ENQUIRER.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/insider-joran-mom-thinks-he-should-die


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 23, 2012, 12:14:14 PM
Thanks to Grace-Land and Northern Rose for posting the latest news of Joran appealing his sentence.

At least all he can appeal is the sentence, and not the conviction since he pleaded guilty. 

I hope the judges who hear the appeal continue to have the strength that Peru has shown so far.

I'll bet he won't (can't) be extradited to the US until the appeal is settled.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 23, 2012, 12:24:13 PM
::snipping2::

“Some lives are NOT worth saving,” the heartbroken mother of convicted Dutch thug JORAN van der SLOOT revealed after his sentence was handed down.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/insider-joran-mom-thinks-he-should-die

If Anita did say this, it sounds as if she finally realized her delicious sporter is the Monster the world knows him to be. 

Now the question is, will she do the right thing, and tell us what she knows about the Natalee Holloway case?

Note to Anita:  You can change your name, but you will always be his mother.  You can't change what he did, but you can change the future for Natalee's loved ones.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 23, 2012, 12:43:09 PM
I started counting how many times Mary says, "Attorney "Ye-ma-nez", and couldn't count that high. Geeez........... personally, I don't think this chick is really upset about the money loss. I think she just wants to get the sentence thrown out. She's making a public declaration that Anita took advantage of her, too? Who asked her to send Anita money in the first place; particularly when Mary says that Anita's response to her was that "Some people aren't for saving!"

Mary's a real piece of work. Here's the video (prolly already posted, but I hadn't seen it):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fau7rc1uSV8

Hadn't seen the video.

She really thinks she's got something there with that JVS.

Dellusional and Dumb! (AND has money!  What a deal for JVS!)

I know, Monkey King. How does he attract them?  I swear, when I watched the video, I had the firm impression that she didn't care about the money as long as it could provide her a tortured argument that it should allow his sentence to be thrown out.

I think he attrracts them because she is just as big of an attention seeker as Joran, maybe even more because she is trying to get her fame and attention via somebody else.

This woman appears to me to be totally about getting her 15+ minutes of fame for her money.  I further think that is why she is angry--she feels she did NOT get enough media coverage for the amount of money she forked over.

Now she can get more, so she thinks, by demanding the money back and raising a big stink about it all.

So--I am going to totally ignore her, lol.  She's garden variety jailhouse groupie.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 23, 2012, 12:45:45 PM
::snipping2::

“Some lives are NOT worth saving,” the heartbroken mother of convicted Dutch thug JORAN van der SLOOT revealed after his sentence was handed down.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/insider-joran-mom-thinks-he-should-die

If Anita did say this, it sounds as if she finally realized her delicious sporter is the Monster the world knows him to be. 

Now the question is, will she do the right thing, and tell us what she knows about the Natalee Holloway case?

Note to Anita:  You can change your name, but you will always be his mother.  You can't change what he did, but you can change the future for Natalee's loved ones.


It really doesn't sound like Anita at all but then she had totally remade herself in the image of some barfly so who knows?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2012, 12:48:42 PM
3 dead in Alabama as storms pound South, Midwest
Published January 23, 2012

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/23/2-dead-in-alabama-as-storms-pound-south-midwest/?test=latestnews


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 23, 2012, 12:54:04 PM
I only want Joran in the U.S.A. if the Peruvian system fails. We treat prisoners too nice here.

Well, there is one federal orison, I think it is in Colorado, where the inmates' doors are opened/closed only electronically and the prisoners hardly ever even see another human being.  I think they get sent there if they are disciplinary problem like Joran.



I think it would be pretty awful to die where one is so totally hated and cursed.  I guess for personal or selfish reasons I just want Alabama to get their hands on him.  I don't think he would be treated very well.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 23, 2012, 01:34:36 PM
Joran wants to be free

 Joran will do everything possible to still be at large. He wants the decision of the Peruvian judge, 28 years in prison, is annulled.

 The Arnhemmer has sent a letter to the Peruvian Supreme Court. Here he writes that 28 years is excessive cell. And according to his lawyer, the confession of the murder of Stephany Flores' never value is estimated.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.powned.tv/nieuws/buitenland/2012/01/joran_wil_vrij.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 23, 2012, 02:02:30 PM
Van der Sloot seeks to reduce his conviction to the Supreme Court

 After being sentenced to 28 years in prison for the murder of the young Stephany Flores, Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot appealed his conviction to the Supreme Court.

 According to "RPP Noticias", through his defense, Van der Sloot made ​​a motion to vacate in order to reduce the sentence imposed by the Third Criminal Court for Prison Inmates in which convicted him of aggravated murder and simple theft.

 ::snipping2::

http://noticias.terra.com.pe/nacional/van-der-sloot-busca-reducir-su-condena-ante-la-corte-suprema,c8feecf3cdb05310VgnVCM3000009af154d0RCRD.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2012, 02:02:41 PM
INSIDER: JORAN MOM THINKS HE SHOULD DIE!

“Some lives are NOT worth saving,” the heartbroken mother of convicted Dutch thug JORAN van der SLOOT revealed after his sentence was handed down.

He had listened impassively as he was sentenced to 28 years in prison – but once out of sight of a worldwide television audience Joran exploded in a violent rage.


The 24-year-old convicted murderer struggled with guards, kicked a wall and screamed in anger after learning that he was being immediate­ly transferred to Peru’s toughest prison, leav­ing behind the cushy cell filled with amenities he had bought with bribes.

“Then he turned on his attor­ney, accusing him of letting him down and telling him he had no intention of paying the lawyer’s $4,000 fee,” a source told The ENQUIRER.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/insider-joran-mom-thinks-he-should-die

Thanks Northern Rose

I do agree with Dave Holloway.  Joran is now beyond rehabilitation.

The National Enquirer?  Have other publications quoted Anita?  Could it be that the foundation of this NE article is based the Mary Hamer "exclusive"interview?  Nevertheless ... there was a time when Anita had the opportunity to "save" her son.  The implication?  Natalee and Stephany would currently be pursuing dreams as their respective families celebrated.
 
Janet

+++++

Mary Hamer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fau7rc1uSV8


Dave Holloway comments on van der Sloot sentencing
Published: 1/13 4:28 pm Updated: 1/13 4:35 pm


<snipped>

"The guy needs to be taken off the street. Everyone knows his personality. I think that he is beyond rehabilitation at this point," Natalee Holloway's father, Dave said.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Dave-Holloway-comments-on-van-der-Sloot-sentencing/sDcn_YDR6UquGZRn8JAnag.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 23, 2012, 03:00:45 PM
http://feeds.univision.com/feeds/article/2012-01-23/peru-defensa-de-van-der

Google translation

Peru: Van der Sloot Defense challenges 28-year sentence
The Associated Press | Date: 01/23/2012

 ::snipping2::
The defense lawyer for Van der Sloot, Jose Luis Jiménez, said Monday that last week filed an appeal to quash the sentence imposed abroad on 13 January by the collegiate B of the Third Criminal Court for inmates in jail.

"We see that we could legitimately aspire to a term more beneficial to Joran," Jimenez said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press.

"It has not taken into account the initial confession of Joran Van der Sloot," he added.
 ::snipping2::
Jimenez said he has until Friday to inform in writing the motion to vacate, after which will be scheduled to present their arguments orally.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2012, 03:11:54 PM
Van der Sloot appeals 28-year Peru murder sentence as excessive
Updated: Monday, January 23, 11:55 AM


LIMA, Peru — Joran van der Sloot’s attorney says he has appealed his client’s 28-year sentence for murdering a young Peruvian woman he met in a Lima casino.

Attorney Jose Jimenez says the three judges who sentenced Van der Sloot on Jan. 13 did not take into account his client’s initial confession to police.

<snipped>

Jimenez said Monday that Van der Sloot never denied killing Stephany Flores. Jimenez says the appeal was filed last week.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/americas/van-der-sloot-appeals-28-year-peru-murder-sentence-as-excessive/2012/01/23/gIQAynQYLQ_story.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2012, 03:19:35 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot Begs His 'Guardian Angel' For More Money, Read His Handwritten Letter
Posted on Jan 19, 2012 @ 05:30PM


<snipped>

Later in his handwritten letter he refers to his guilty plea, revealing: "What me and Jimenez did is the best, I now still have my appeal to a higher court, which is much more serious. Every lawyer I speak to agrees."

<snipped>

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-begs-guardian-angel-handwritten-letter

http://www.radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/Joran-Van-Der-Sloot-Letter-Mary-Hamer.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2012, 03:33:55 PM
January 23, 2012 19:56 GMT
Van der Sloot appeals sentence in Peru


LIMA, Peru (AP) -- Joran van der Sloot's attorney says he has appealed his client's 28-year sentence for murdering a young Peruvian woman he met in a Lima casino.

Attorney Jose Jimenez says the three judges who sentenced Van der Sloot on Jan. 13 did not take into account his client's initial confession to police.

Jimenez said Monday that Van der Sloot never denied killing Stephany Flores.

<snipped>

He is at Piedras Gordas prison north of Lima, where his lawyer says he is temporarily segregated from other inmates.

Jimenez says the appeal was filed last week.

http://www.foxbaltimore.com/template/inews_wire/wires.international/2ab99c8c-www.foxbaltimore.com.shtml




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2012, 03:50:17 PM
January 23, 2012 7:46 AM
Survivors sought after deadly storms pound South
(AP)  Updated at 3:03 p.m. ET


CLAY, Ala. - Violent weather including possible tornadoes roared across the heart of Alabama on Monday, killing two people and injuring more than 100 others. Searchers went door-to-door calling out to residents, some of whom lived along a path near the deadly twisters that devastated the area last year.

The storms flattened homes, knocked down trees and peeled off roofs in the middle of the night in the rural community of Oak Grove, which was touched by both storms. The area near Birmingham has a history of being a tornado alley going back decades.

<snipped>

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57363715/survivors-sought-after-deadly-storms-pound-south/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 23, 2012, 04:11:53 PM
January 23, 2012 19:56 GMT
Van der Sloot appeals sentence in Peru


LIMA, Peru (AP) -- Joran van der Sloot's attorney says he has appealed his client's 28-year sentence for murdering a young Peruvian woman he met in a Lima casino.

Attorney Jose Jimenez says the three judges who sentenced Van der Sloot on Jan. 13 did not take into account his client's initial confession to police.

Jimenez said Monday that Van der Sloot never denied killing Stephany Flores.

<snipped>

He is at Piedras Gordas prison north of Lima, where his lawyer says he is temporarily segregated from other inmates.

Jimenez says the appeal was filed last week.

http://www.foxbaltimore.com/template/inews_wire/wires.international/2ab99c8c-www.foxbaltimore.com.shtml




Good grief.  Joran and Jimenez fought to have his initial confession thrown out.

Now they are going to argue that is wasn't taken into consideration enough when he was sentenced.

Whatever.....

They must be desperate to grasp at this straw!  ROTFLMAO!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 23, 2012, 04:53:05 PM
INSIDER: JORAN MOM THINKS HE SHOULD DIE!

“Some lives are NOT worth saving,” the heartbroken mother of convicted Dutch thug JORAN van der SLOOT revealed after his sentence was handed down.

He had listened impassively as he was sentenced to 28 years in prison – but once out of sight of a worldwide television audience Joran exploded in a violent rage.


The 24-year-old convicted murderer struggled with guards, kicked a wall and screamed in anger after learning that he was being immediate­ly transferred to Peru’s toughest prison, leav­ing behind the cushy cell filled with amenities he had bought with bribes.

“Then he turned on his attor­ney, accusing him of letting him down and telling him he had no intention of paying the lawyer’s $4,000 fee,” a source told The ENQUIRER.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/insider-joran-mom-thinks-he-should-die

Thanks Northern Rose

I do agree with Dave Holloway.  Joran is now beyond rehabilitation.

The National Enquirer?  Have other publications quoted Anita?  Could it be that the foundation of this NE article is based the Mary Hamer "exclusive"interview?  Nevertheless ... there was a time when Anita had the opportunity to "save" her son.  The implication?  Natalee and Stephany would currently be pursuing dreams as their respective families celebrated.
 
Janet

+++++

Mary Hamer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fau7rc1uSV8


Dave Holloway comments on van der Sloot sentencing
Published: 1/13 4:28 pm Updated: 1/13 4:35 pm


<snipped>

"The guy needs to be taken off the street. Everyone knows his personality. I think that he is beyond rehabilitation at this point," Natalee Holloway's father, Dave said.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Dave-Holloway-comments-on-van-der-Sloot-sentencing/sDcn_YDR6UquGZRn8JAnag.cspx

On January 13, 2012.  On the Anderson Cooper Show at 13:10 in the YouTube video, Mary says (referring to the e-mail from Anita):  "Good Mary.  Good decision.  It's time to move on.  Some lives are not worth saving!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMiW8E7fcVY&feature=related


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 23, 2012, 05:06:18 PM
INSIDER: JORAN MOM THINKS HE SHOULD DIE!

“Some lives are NOT worth saving,” the heartbroken mother of convicted Dutch thug JORAN van der SLOOT revealed after his sentence was handed down.

He had listened impassively as he was sentenced to 28 years in prison – but once out of sight of a worldwide television audience Joran exploded in a violent rage.


The 24-year-old convicted murderer struggled with guards, kicked a wall and screamed in anger after learning that he was being immediate­ly transferred to Peru’s toughest prison, leav­ing behind the cushy cell filled with amenities he had bought with bribes.

“Then he turned on his attor­ney, accusing him of letting him down and telling him he had no intention of paying the lawyer’s $4,000 fee,” a source told The ENQUIRER.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/insider-joran-mom-thinks-he-should-die

Thanks Northern Rose

I do agree with Dave Holloway.  Joran is now beyond rehabilitation.

The National Enquirer?  Have other publications quoted Anita?  Could it be that the foundation of this NE article is based the Mary Hamer "exclusive"interview?  Nevertheless ... there was a time when Anita had the opportunity to "save" her son.  The implication?  Natalee and Stephany would currently be pursuing dreams as their respective families celebrated.
 
Janet

+++++

Mary Hamer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fau7rc1uSV8


Dave Holloway comments on van der Sloot sentencing
Published: 1/13 4:28 pm Updated: 1/13 4:35 pm


<snipped>

"The guy needs to be taken off the street. Everyone knows his personality. I think that he is beyond rehabilitation at this point," Natalee Holloway's father, Dave said.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Dave-Holloway-comments-on-van-der-Sloot-sentencing/sDcn_YDR6UquGZRn8JAnag.cspx

On January 13, 2012.  On the Anderson Cooper Show at 13:10 in the YouTube video, Mary says (referring to the e-mail from Anita):  "Good Mary.  Good decision.  It's time to move on.  Some lives are not worth saving!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMiW8E7fcVY&feature=related


Now that Mary Hamer's assets and bank accounts are tapped out, it's time to move on?  Didn't I read on here supposedly Mary sent Anita $20,000.00, besides all the money she sent Joran and/or his attorney? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 23, 2012, 05:08:25 PM
::snipping2::

“Some lives are NOT worth saving,” the heartbroken mother of convicted Dutch thug JORAN van der SLOOT revealed after his sentence was handed down.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/insider-joran-mom-thinks-he-should-die

If Anita did say this, it sounds as if she finally realized her delicious sporter is the Monster the world knows him to be. 

Now the question is, will she do the right thing, and tell us what she knows about the Natalee Holloway case?

Note to Anita:  You can change your name, but you will always be his mother.  You can't change what he did, but you can change the future for Natalee's loved ones.


It really doesn't sound like Anita at all but then she had totally remade herself in the image of some barfly so who knows?



I don't believe for one minute that Anita is heartbroken or has given up on Joran.  He had the "new" Anita picture on his phone.  They both blame others for their situation.  They are both full of anger. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 23, 2012, 05:10:36 PM
INSIDER: JORAN MOM THINKS HE SHOULD DIE!

“Some lives are NOT worth saving,” the heartbroken mother of convicted Dutch thug JORAN van der SLOOT revealed after his sentence was handed down.

He had listened impassively as he was sentenced to 28 years in prison – but once out of sight of a worldwide television audience Joran exploded in a violent rage.


The 24-year-old convicted murderer struggled with guards, kicked a wall and screamed in anger after learning that he was being immediate­ly transferred to Peru’s toughest prison, leav­ing behind the cushy cell filled with amenities he had bought with bribes.

“Then he turned on his attor­ney, accusing him of letting him down and telling him he had no intention of paying the lawyer’s $4,000 fee,” a source told The ENQUIRER.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/insider-joran-mom-thinks-he-should-die

Thanks Northern Rose

I do agree with Dave Holloway.  Joran is now beyond rehabilitation.

The National Enquirer?  Have other publications quoted Anita?  Could it be that the foundation of this NE article is based the Mary Hamer "exclusive"interview?  Nevertheless ... there was a time when Anita had the opportunity to "save" her son.  The implication?  Natalee and Stephany would currently be pursuing dreams as their respective families celebrated.
 
Janet

+++++

Mary Hamer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fau7rc1uSV8


Dave Holloway comments on van der Sloot sentencing
Published: 1/13 4:28 pm Updated: 1/13 4:35 pm


<snipped>

"The guy needs to be taken off the street. Everyone knows his personality. I think that he is beyond rehabilitation at this point," Natalee Holloway's father, Dave said.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Dave-Holloway-comments-on-van-der-Sloot-sentencing/sDcn_YDR6UquGZRn8JAnag.cspx

On January 13, 2012.  On the Anderson Cooper Show at 13:10 in the YouTube video, Mary says (referring to the e-mail from Anita):  "Good Mary.  Good decision.  It's time to move on.  Some lives are not worth saving!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMiW8E7fcVY&feature=related


Now that Mary Hamer's assets and bank accounts are tapped out, it's time to move on?  Didn't I read on here supposedly Mary sent Anita $20,000.00, besides all the money she sent Joran and/or his attorney? 

Mary Hamer, as a radiologis,t is NOT broke.  Not only that, she will have retirement on our tax money (I believe she is currently working at the VA).


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2012, 05:18:12 PM
January 23, 2012 19:56 GMT
Van der Sloot appeals sentence in Peru


LIMA, Peru (AP) -- Joran van der Sloot's attorney says he has appealed his client's 28-year sentence for murdering a young Peruvian woman he met in a Lima casino.

Attorney Jose Jimenez says the three judges who sentenced Van der Sloot on Jan. 13 did not take into account his client's initial confession to police.

Jimenez said Monday that Van der Sloot never denied killing Stephany Flores.

<snipped>

He is at Piedras Gordas prison north of Lima, where his lawyer says he is temporarily segregated from other inmates.

Jimenez says the appeal was filed last week.

http://www.foxbaltimore.com/template/inews_wire/wires.international/2ab99c8c-www.foxbaltimore.com.shtml



Maybe Joran did not deny the words in his confession but ... he did attempt to have it thrown out twice citing technicalities nevertheless.

Janet

+++++


Joran Van der Sloot Files Complaint Against Peruvian Police … My Rights Were Violated, They Seized by Laptop

<snipped>

Joran Van der Sloot is now claiming that his rights were violated and has filed a complaint against the Peruvian police. Van der Sloot claims that he was denied due process, that evidence was improperly seized and he was denied a proper translator.

<snipped>

Posted June 24, 2010 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/24/joran-van-der-sloot-files-complaint-against-peruvian-police-my-rights-were-violated-they-seized-by-laptop/


BREAKING NEWS: Judge Makes Ruling in the Joran van der Sloot Peru Murder Case
<snipped>

According to CNN reporters in Lima, the Supreme Court Judge has just ruled that there is NO MERIT to Joran’s complaint that his rights were violated!

There is NO MERIT to his COMPLAINT!

<snipped>

Posted June 25, 2010 by Klaasend

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/25/breaking-news-judge-makes-ruling-in-the-joran-van-der-sloot-peru-murder-case/


Peruvian Appeals Panel Considers Joran van der Sloot’s Murder Confession of Stefany Flores

<snipped>

A panel of Peruvian judges is reviewing Van der Sloot’s original appeal to have his confession upheld.

<snipped>

Posted August 22, 2010 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/08/22/peruvian-appeals-panel-considers-joran-van-der-sloots-murder-confession-of-stefany-flores/




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2012, 05:23:45 PM
INSIDER: JORAN MOM THINKS HE SHOULD DIE!

“Some lives are NOT worth saving,” the heartbroken mother of convicted Dutch thug JORAN van der SLOOT revealed after his sentence was handed down.

He had listened impassively as he was sentenced to 28 years in prison – but once out of sight of a worldwide television audience Joran exploded in a violent rage.


The 24-year-old convicted murderer struggled with guards, kicked a wall and screamed in anger after learning that he was being immediate­ly transferred to Peru’s toughest prison, leav­ing behind the cushy cell filled with amenities he had bought with bribes.

“Then he turned on his attor­ney, accusing him of letting him down and telling him he had no intention of paying the lawyer’s $4,000 fee,” a source told The ENQUIRER.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/insider-joran-mom-thinks-he-should-die

Thanks Northern Rose

I do agree with Dave Holloway.  Joran is now beyond rehabilitation.

The National Enquirer?  Have other publications quoted Anita?  Could it be that the foundation of this NE article is based the Mary Hamer "exclusive"interview?  Nevertheless ... there was a time when Anita had the opportunity to "save" her son.  The implication?  Natalee and Stephany would currently be pursuing dreams as their respective families celebrated.
 
Janet

+++++

Mary Hamer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fau7rc1uSV8


Dave Holloway comments on van der Sloot sentencing
Published: 1/13 4:28 pm Updated: 1/13 4:35 pm


<snipped>

"The guy needs to be taken off the street. Everyone knows his personality. I think that he is beyond rehabilitation at this point," Natalee Holloway's father, Dave said.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Dave-Holloway-comments-on-van-der-Sloot-sentencing/sDcn_YDR6UquGZRn8JAnag.cspx

On January 13, 2012.  On the Anderson Cooper Show at 13:10 in the YouTube video, Mary says (referring to the e-mail from Anita):  "Good Mary.  Good decision.  It's time to move on.  Some lives are not worth saving!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMiW8E7fcVY&feature=related


Now that Mary Hamer's assets and bank accounts are tapped out, it's time to move on?  Didn't I read on here supposedly Mary sent Anita $20,000.00, besides all the money she sent Joran and/or his attorney?
 

Mary Hamer discusses moneys sent to Anita/Joran/attorney in what she references an "exclusive" interview.

Janet

+++++


Mary Hamer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fau7rc1uSV8


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 23, 2012, 05:49:58 PM
I don't believe for one minute that Anita is heartbroken or has given up on Joran.  He had the "new" Anita picture on his phone.  They both blame others for their situation.  They are both full of anger. 

Do Dutch widows routinely change their name back to a version of their maiden name?

Who does she blame for Paulus's untimely death?  Joran or the Holloways and the court of public opinion?

I wonder what those who criticized Natalee's loved ones for drinking are thinking about Anita's new pasttime?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2012, 06:28:12 PM

Do Dutch widows routinely change their name back to a version of their maiden name?

Who does she blame for Paulus's untimely death?  Joran or the Holloways and the court of public opinion?

I wonder what those who criticized Natalee's loved ones for drinking  are thinking about Anita's new pasttime?


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Over the years there are those who have despicably discredited Natalee/Natalee's family ... especially Beth ... in a futile attempt to distract from the truth regarding the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the truth regarding those who participated.  However ... I have never read anything in regards to a "drinking" issue.  Please expand.  Thanks.

Janet

+++++

The Emotional Distress

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 224:
After more than two years of being battered by the tabloids, aticles about Natalee still appear in these papaers.  What makes me as sick as the anguish and suffering I have endured over these articles is the realization that these magazines and their outrageous stories about Natalee appear all over the world.  I even saw them in stores in Aruba.  Well-meaning individuals who want to express their concerns about these articles send me the tabloids.  But this means that even my home is invaded with these distressing and outlandish materials.  Even in my dining room -- my sanctuary -- I can't escape them.  And to think that mllions and millions of readers worldwide actually believe these stories is more than I can bear.  There seems to be no end to this attack, and the emotional distress felt by my son and me is irreparable.

Page 225: Then there are the bloggers against Natalee and her family who continue to dream up all kinds of bizarre scenarios, like suggesting that she secretly left the island on that medical evacuation plane that was in Aruba for three days when we thought she was going to be brought out of a crack house.  Destructive remarks about my daughter are very hurtful.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2012, 06:32:38 PM
jamcakes

I apologize for invading your space.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 23, 2012, 06:37:32 PM

Do Dutch widows routinely change their name back to a version of their maiden name?

Who does she blame for Paulus's untimely death?  Joran or the Holloways and the court of public opinion?

I wonder what those who criticized Natalee's loved ones for drinking  are thinking about Anita's new pasttime?


I never saw the media speak of this.  It was mainly an issue with the vdS sympathizers in the various blogs/forums.  As you know, they latched on to any issue/opportunity to bash NH's loved ones.  I recollect them bashing Jug & Beth for having drinks with or without dinner when they were in Aruba searching for Natalee.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Over the years there are those who have despicably discredited Natalee/Natalee's family ... especially Beth ... in a futile attempt to distract from the truth regarding the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the truth regarding those who participated.  However ... I have never read anything in regards to a "drinking" issue.  Please expand.  Thanks.

Janet

+++++

The Emotional Distress

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 224:
After more than two years of being battered by the tabloids, aticles about Natalee still appear in these papaers.  What makes me as sick as the anguish and suffering I have endured over these articles is the realization that these magazines and their outrageous stories about Natalee appear all over the world.  I even saw them in stores in Aruba.  Well-meaning individuals who want to express their concerns about these articles send me the tabloids.  But this means that even my home is invaded with these distressing and outlandish materials.  Even in my dining room -- my sanctuary -- I can't escape them.  And to think that mllions and millions of readers worldwide actually believe these stories is more than I can bear.  There seems to be no end to this attack, and the emotional distress felt by my son and me is irreparable.

Page 225: Then there are the bloggers against Natalee and her family who continue to dream up all kinds of bizarre scenarios, like suggesting that she secretly left the island on that medical evacuation plane that was in Aruba for three days when we thought she was going to be brought out of a crack house.  Destructive remarks about my daughter are very hurtful.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 23, 2012, 06:41:11 PM

Do Dutch widows routinely change their name back to a version of their maiden name?

Who does she blame for Paulus's untimely death?  Joran or the Holloways and the court of public opinion?

I wonder what those who criticized Natalee's loved ones for drinking  are thinking about Anita's new pasttime?




I never saw the media speak of this.  It was mainly an issue with the vdS sympathizers in the various blogs/forums.  As you know, they latched on to any issue/opportunity to bash NH's loved ones.  I recollect them bashing Jug & Beth for having drinks with or without dinner when they were in Aruba searching for Natalee.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Over the years there are those who have despicably discredited Natalee/Natalee's family ... especially Beth ... in a futile attempt to distract from the truth regarding the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the truth regarding those who participated.  However ... I have never read anything in regards to a "drinking" issue.  Please expand.  Thanks.

Janet

+++++

The Emotional Distress

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 224:
After more than two years of being battered by the tabloids, aticles about Natalee still appear in these papaers.  What makes me as sick as the anguish and suffering I have endured over these articles is the realization that these magazines and their outrageous stories about Natalee appear all over the world.  I even saw them in stores in Aruba.  Well-meaning individuals who want to express their concerns about these articles send me the tabloids.  But this means that even my home is invaded with these distressing and outlandish materials.  Even in my dining room -- my sanctuary -- I can't escape them.  And to think that mllions and millions of readers worldwide actually believe these stories is more than I can bear.  There seems to be no end to this attack, and the emotional distress felt by my son and me is irreparable.

Page 225: Then there are the bloggers against Natalee and her family who continue to dream up all kinds of bizarre scenarios, like suggesting that she secretly left the island on that medical evacuation plane that was in Aruba for three days when we thought she was going to be brought out of a crack house.  Destructive remarks about my daughter are very hurtful.

oops, posted in your quote stack boxes - sorry!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 23, 2012, 06:43:00 PM
sorry Tamikosmom - I did it twice.  Oops!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2012, 06:57:54 PM
jamcakes

I'm playing it safe and ... not quoting.

I do remember the criticism regarding Jug and Beth having a drink while they were on the Island.  Unbelievable!!

I don't have a clue whether it is a Dutch thing in regards to widows reverting to their maiden names.  However ... I have learned that it is a Dutch thing to clean windows on Wednesday ... not wait until they are dirty which is Tamikosmom's thing.  My Dutch DIL and her mother can attest to it. 

 ::MonkeyCool::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 23, 2012, 07:24:29 PM
jamcakes

I'm playing it safe and ... not quoting.

I do remember the criticism regarding Jug and Beth having a drink while they were on the Island.  Unbelievable!!

I don't have a clue whether it is a Dutch thing in regards to widows reverting to their maiden names.  However ... I have learned that it is a Dutch thing to clean windows on Wednesday ... not wait until they are dirty which is Tamikosmom's thing.  My Dutch DIL and her mother can attest to it. 

 ::MonkeyCool::

Janet

LOL.Thanks for the chuckle!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 23, 2012, 07:54:51 PM
 ::snipping2::

The defense attorney for Joran van der Sloot has asked that the sentence was reduced to its customers and has therefore filed a motion to quash the sentence displayed on 13 January.

 The lawyer Jose Luis Jimenez said, "we see that we could legitimately aspire to a term more beneficial to Joran," adding that "has not been taken into account the initial confession of Joran Van der Sloot," said Univision.

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/139138/joran-van-der-sloot-pide-reduccion-condena-por-asesinato-stephany-flores


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 23, 2012, 07:57:10 PM
 ::snipping2::

The Third Board in Jail Inmates Criminal condemned the last 13 Van der Sloot on charges of murder and theft simple, for acts committed in 2010, and his sentence will mark the June 10, 2038.

However, his lawyer, Luis Jimenez, told the website of El Comercio has questioned "the content of the sentence and accessed a year rebate" of the sentence because his client has cooperated with other justice in the resolution of this case.

Unlike what the court ruling states, Jimenez said that Van der Sloot gave to justice in Chile, when he fled that country after the killing, and "gave details of how he committed the crime."

Counsel further stated that "there is false information set forth in this sentence," as he points out that the defendant initially refused to accept the charges and sought to avoid liability.

"We legitimately should be revised at the end," said Jimenez.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.google.com/hostednews/epa/article/ALeqM5gXPE0KT6kRewBSBKn1_8w86maekQ?docId=1700426


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 23, 2012, 08:02:58 PM
 ::snipping2::

What issue?
Jimenez explained that made the request, because the sentence states that the defendant did not present a collaborative attitude since his capture. Counsel argues the opposite: "He was not captured in Chile, he was given" and "give details of how he had committed the crime."

However, it should be recalled that during the preliminary investigations, a confessed murderer refused to testify before the Judiciary claiming that he had little knowledge of Spanish in Peru and that there was an official translator who can attend.

Jimenez argues that "it was their right," and that "technically was not prepared to answer an interrogatory. He can speak and understand that, but technically can not answer an interrogation without a translator. "

"The recital of the sentence is said to Joran van der Sloot, at first denied the charges and try to avoid liability, a fact not true. There are false data entered in that sentence. Legitimate believe should be revised at the end, "he said finally.

One room of the Supreme Court will soon rule on the motion to vacate. Meanwhile, Joran van der Sloot remains imprisoned in the prison of Piedras BBW, in Ancon.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1364686/noticia-defensa-van-der-sloot-cuestiona-sentencia-pide-menos-anos-carcel


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 23, 2012, 08:23:07 PM
Van der Sloot's lawyer files for reduced sentence

On Monday, Joran Van der Sloot’s lawyer, Luis Jimenez, filed a motion to reduce the Dutchman’s 28-year prison sentence.

"I am questioning the content of the sentence and asking for a reduction of the years [of the sentence]," Jimenez said to El Comercio.

 ::snipping2::


Jimenez said the request was being made because the court said the defendant had not collaborated with authorities.

The Dutchman’s lawyer argues the opposite is true.

"He was not captured in Chile, he turned himself in […] and gave details of how he had committed the crime."


 ::snipping2::

During the trial Jimenez asked the court to keep in mind the Dutchman’s fragile state of mind
, and claimed Van der Sloot was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder on the day of the Flores murder.

The court is expected to rule on the motion soon, reported El Comercio.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-1426-Van-der-Sloots-lawyer-files-for-reduced-sentence/

~~~~~~~~~~~

Huh?  Joran turned himself in in Chile?  I remember reading how he was apprehended in a taxi.

Poor Joran - had a fragile state of mind.  GAG me..

IMO, Joran ought to be glad he got only 28 years.I think his an appeal is part of his campaign to thumb his nose at justice, and delay his inevitable extradition to the US.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 23, 2012, 11:08:50 PM
jamcakes

The published on-line articles of June 3, 2010 state that Joran van der Sloot was detained but no explanation in regards to the happenings encompassing that detainment.  However the words of Joran's confession printed in "Portrait of a Monster" imply that Joran surrendered.

Janet

++++

PORTRAIT OF A MONSTER
Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson

Page 242:
  "The following day,  I left and I was again in Vasco da Gama and while in the cab I saw a picture of myself in a newspaper and how they were looking for a Dutchman who was an assassin. ...."

Page 243:  "So I started talking with a cabbie and I said I have to surrender and he said, 'I have a cousin that is chief of police in Santiago, if you want I can call him.' ...."

"An hour hour went by, and the police came to the cab in a regular vehicle, not a police car, where I got in and was driven to the immigration office in Santiago ...."


Chile Police Detain Joran Van Der Sloot in Peru Murder
Published June 03, 2010


<snipped>

The suspect, Joran van der Sloot, was escorted by three police officers as he was taken from a dark vehicle into a police office in downtown Santiago, Chile. He made no comment as he entered, walking calmly and without handcuffs as journalists shouted his name.

Van der Sloot was detained while traveling in a taxi, about halfway to the coast on Route 68, said Prefect Alfredo Espinosa, chief national spokesman for Chile's investigative police. The suspect did not resist and has been calm in detention, Espinosa said.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/03/chile-police-detain-dutchman-peru-killing-years-holloway-slaying-aruba/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 24, 2012, 12:34:50 AM
I don't believe for one minute that Anita is heartbroken or has given up on Joran.  He had the "new" Anita picture on his phone.  They both blame others for their situation.  They are both full of anger. 

Do Dutch widows routinely change their name back to a version of their maiden name?

Who does she blame for Paulus's untimely death?  Joran or the Holloways and the court of public opinion?

I wonder what those who criticized Natalee's loved ones for drinking are thinking about Anita's new pasttime?


Drinking is not anything new for Anita, it has been the tie that binds and opens up the minds of those "friends" of hers, that were more than happy to suck up and then spew her lies for years imo.  Some of them were probably not long time residents (just part of IFA) so they didn't know enough about the family to question what they were told.  But some DID and DO know better.  Anita had the advantage of a kind of automatic respect that most would have to earn because of her position as a teacher at the International School for all these years.  And she used it, and still does.  Her interactions and "friendships" with students of hers on facebook would be frowned upon if not forbidden here.  JMO but I think there are probably those, especially ones that had children say Sebastian's age who's eyes were eventually opened to the not so respectable lives the Van der Sloot's actually lead there and the problems that it seems more than one of their children have.  With the number of people that go there and spend a couple years and then come back to the states, or where ever they were from; many in positions that put their children in the International School...it has been easy for Anita to manipulate people, many that never saw the whole picture about that family.  Again, jmo.   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 24, 2012, 12:37:09 AM
I don't believe for one minute that Anita is heartbroken or has given up on Joran.  He had the "new" Anita picture on his phone.  They both blame others for their situation.  They are both full of anger. 

Do Dutch widows routinely change their name back to a version of their maiden name?

Who does she blame for Paulus's untimely death?  Joran or the Holloways and the court of public opinion?

I wonder what those who criticized Natalee's loved ones for drinking are thinking about Anita's new pasttime?


Drinking is not anything new for Anita, it has been the tie that binds and opens up the minds of those "friends" of hers, that were more than happy to suck up and then spew her lies for years imo.  Some of them were probably not long time residents (just part of IFA) so they didn't know enough about the family to question what they were told.  But some DID and DO know better.  Anita had the advantage of a kind of automatic respect that most would have to earn because of her position as a teacher at the International School for all these years.  And she used it, and still does.  Her interactions and "friendships" with students of hers on facebook would be frowned upon if not forbidden here.  JMO but I think there are probably those, especially ones that had children say Sebastian's age who's whose eyes were eventually opened to the not so respectable lives the Van der Sloot's actually lead there and the problems that it seems more than one of their children have.  With the number of people that go there and spend a couple years and then come back to the states, or where ever they were from; many in positions that put their children in the International School...it has been easy for Anita to manipulate people, many that never saw the whole picture about that family.  Again, jmo.   

self edit  :oops:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: klaasend on January 24, 2012, 12:58:27 AM
 ::justice2NJ::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/arubacam.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 24, 2012, 01:44:55 AM
 ::justice2NJ:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 24, 2012, 01:52:20 AM
http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2722526/vonnis-joran-van-sloot-verandert-niet.html

Google translation

"Judgement Joran does not change"
Last Updated: January 24, 2012 6:37

AMSTERDAM - The Peruvian Supreme Court should consider the application for the annulment of the conviction of Joran van der Sloot, the verdict will most likely validate.

So says the Peruvian criminal expert Giovanna Gismondi. She thinks that there is little ground for his sentence of 28 years in prison, will be amended.

The Supreme Court may annul the conviction, that modify or validate. Jose Jimenez Navarro, Van der Sloot's lawyer, said early last week that his client wants to try the prison for 28 years to annul.
 ::snipping2::

disappointed
The lawyer expressed after the conviction of his client on 13 January disappointed with the verdict. He had hoped that the punishment would fall down because Van der Sloot had confessed guilt and according to him had always worked.

The court attached no penalty here for great value. The lawyer also believes that the first confession of Van der Sloot never 'value is estimated at'.

explain
The Supreme Court examines only the written decision of the lower court. There may still be a hearing where the defense of Van der Sloot's request to explain.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 24, 2012, 03:28:58 AM


Drinking is not anything new for Anita, it has been the tie that binds and opens up the minds of those "friends" of hers, that were more than happy to suck up and then spew her lies for years imo.  Some of them were probably not long time residents (just part of IFA) so they didn't know enough about the family to question what they were told.  But some DID and DO know better.  Anita had the advantage of a kind of automatic respect that most would have to earn because of her position as a teacher at the International School for all these years.  And she used it, and still does.  Her interactions and "friendships" with students of hers on facebook would be frowned upon if not forbidden here.  JMO but I think there are probably those, especially ones that had children say Sebastian's age who's eyes were eventually opened to the not so respectable lives the Van der Sloot's actually lead there and the problems that it seems more than one of their children have.  With the number of people that go there and spend a couple years and then come back to the states, or where ever they were from; many in positions that put their children in the International School...it has been easy for Anita to manipulate people, many that never saw the whole picture about that family.  Again, jmo.   

 ::MonkeyCheer4::

Post of the day  IMO

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: 4getUnot on January 24, 2012, 03:56:18 AM


I wonder if she stayed in the apt when she went to visit JVS in Castro Castro?

I wonder if JVS was able to sneak out of Castro Castro and have sexy times in the apartment?  I imagine you can get a lot of millage out of $75,000.00.



And buy more doo-lolly clackers!   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Hi Monkeys!  I usually only read on Natalee's thread but I have to ask what are "doo-lolly clackers"?  TIA

Edit to fix sp.  NAH name MB





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: San on January 24, 2012, 06:38:21 AM
I don't believe for one minute that Anita is heartbroken or has given up on Joran.  He had the "new" Anita picture on his phone.  They both blame others for their situation.  They are both full of anger.  

Do Dutch widows routinely change their name back to a version of their maiden name?

Who does she blame for Paulus's untimely death?  Joran or the Holloways and the court of public opinion?

I wonder what those who criticized Natalee's loved ones for drinking are thinking about Anita's new pasttime?


Drinking is not anything new for Anita, it has been the tie that binds and opens up the minds of those "friends" of hers, that were more than happy to suck up and then spew her lies for years imo.  Some of them were probably not long time residents (just part of IFA) so they didn't know enough about the family to question what they were told.  But some DID and DO know better.  Anita had the advantage of a kind of automatic respect that most would have to earn because of her position as a teacher at the International School for all these years.  And she used it, and still does.  Her interactions and "friendships" with students of hers on facebook would be frowned upon if not forbidden here.  JMO but I think there are probably those, especially ones that had children say Sebastian's age whose eyes were eventually opened to the not so respectable lives the Van der Sloot's actually lead there and the problems that it seems more than one of their children have.  With the number of people that go there and spend a couple years and then come back to the states, or where ever they were from; many in positions that put their children in the International School...it has been easy for Anita to manipulate people, many that never saw the whole picture about that family. Again, jmo.  

I agree.  How many times have we said that Joran was just like his father.  I am beginning to think that Joran is just like his mother.  She is evil.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 24, 2012, 06:58:58 AM


I wonder if she stayed in the apt when she went to visit JVS in Castro Castro?

I wonder if JVS was able to sneak out of Castro Castro and have sexy times in the apartment?  I imagine you can get a lot of millage out of $75,000.00.



And buy more doo-lolly clackers!   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Hi Monkeys!  I usually only read on Natalie's thread but I have to ask what are "doo-lolly clackers"?  TIA





doo-lolly clackers = benwa balls. Joran gave a pair to a Peruvian cab driver as partial payment for his escape ride to Chile.

This is my fault. I was trying to not say benwa balls... (because I think they're creepy) so I tried to find a cute word as a substitute. In doing so, I think I've created a virus.

Because nobody in their right mind knows what a doo-lolly clackers is.  ::MonkeyJnBox:: 1,000 apologies.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 24, 2012, 07:59:17 AM
jamcakes

The published on-line articles of June 3, 2010 state that Joran van der Sloot was detained but no explanation in regards to the happenings encompassing that detainment.  However the words of Joran's confession printed in "Portrait of a Monster" imply that Joran surrendered.

Janet

++++

PORTRAIT OF A MONSTER
Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson

Page 242:
  "The following day,  I left and I was again in Vasco da Gama and while in the cab I saw a picture of myself in a newspaper and how they were looking for a Dutchman who was an assassin. ...."

Page 243:  "So I started talking with a cabbie and I said I have to surrender and he said, 'I have a cousin that is chief of police in Santiago, if you want I can call him.' ...."

"An hour hour went by, and the police came to the cab in a regular vehicle, not a police car, where I got in and was driven to the immigration office in Santiago ...."


Chile Police Detain Joran Van Der Sloot in Peru Murder
Published June 03, 2010


<snipped>

The suspect, Joran van der Sloot, was escorted by three police officers as he was taken from a dark vehicle into a police office in downtown Santiago, Chile. He made no comment as he entered, walking calmly and without handcuffs as journalists shouted his name.

Van der Sloot was detained while traveling in a taxi, about halfway to the coast on Route 68, said Prefect Alfredo Espinosa, chief national spokesman for Chile's investigative police. The suspect did not resist and has been calm in detention, Espinosa said.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/03/chile-police-detain-dutchman-peru-killing-years-holloway-slaying-aruba/



For some reason (LOL) I don't believe a word that Joran says.  Not that the media always gets it right either.... but, I still can't picture Joran turning himself in.

Thanks for providing the quotes on the subject.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 24, 2012, 08:11:25 AM
Juran is like KC when it comes to truth...their strangers.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Monkey King on January 24, 2012, 09:38:20 AM


I wonder if she stayed in the apt when she went to visit JVS in Castro Castro?

I wonder if JVS was able to sneak out of Castro Castro and have sexy times in the apartment?  I imagine you can get a lot of millage out of $75,000.00.



And buy more doo-lolly clackers!   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Hi Monkeys!  I usually only read on Natalie's thread but I have to ask what are "doo-lolly clackers"?  TIA





doo-lolly clackers = benwa balls. Joran gave a pair to a Peruvian cab driver as partial payment for his escape ride to Chile.

This is my fault. I was trying to not say benwa balls... (because I think they're creepy) so I tried to find a cute word as a substitute. In doing so, I think I've created a virus.

Because nobody in their right mind knows what a doo-lolly clackers is.  ::MonkeyJnBox:: 1,000 apologies.

You have to say it with a visual:

Benwa Balls  ::piggy::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 24, 2012, 11:01:47 AM
"No sentences Joran '

AMSTERDAM - The chance that Joran lower penalty imposed is zero. Suggests that a criminal expert from Peru, after Van der Sloot's lawyer rather an annulment of the award requested.

 ::snipping2::

According to criminal law expert Giovanna Gismondi, there is little basis for this statement will be amended. The court examines the request and must be received in April inconclusive.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/11365018/___Geen_strafvermindering_Joran___.html?sn=binnenland,buitenland


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on January 24, 2012, 11:04:43 AM
"Judgement Joran will not change"

 ::snipping2::

 But according to experts Gismondi, too little land to the sentence still to adjust. The Supreme Court may sentence either validate or adjust or void.

 The Supreme Court must now consider the written verdict of the court. Finally, in April there would be definite.

http://www.hbvl.be/nieuws/buitenland/aid1109674/vonnis-joran-van-der-sloot-zal-niet-veranderen.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 24, 2012, 11:25:48 AM
http://diariocorreo.pe/nota/64761/van-der-sloot-pide-rebaja-de-condena/

Google translation

Van der Sloot asks sentence cut
January 24, 2012 | 7:22 am

Lima - Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, through counsel, filed a petition for annulment before the Supreme Court so that you lower the sentence of 28 years imprisonment imposed on him for the murder of the young Stephany Flores .

As is public, the Collegiate B of the Third Criminal Court for Prison Inmates in foreign issued against the said worth considering that it had helped solve the crime, committed in May 2010 in Miraflores.

In this regard, his lawyer, Luis Jimenez, said his client had indeed provided details of how he committed the murder, which meant that helped the notorious process.

It was reported that once informed the said appeal shall be forwarded to one of the halls of the Supreme Court to adopt a final decision.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 24, 2012, 11:46:49 AM
http://nos.nl/artikel/333656-geen-strafvermindering-van-der-sloot.html

Google translation

"No remission Van der Sloot"
Added: Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 12:22

 ::snipping2::
According to criminal law expert Giovanna Gismondi, there is little ground for the statement to be changed.

The lawyer of the Dutchman thinks otherwise. He finds that the punishment must come down, because Van der Sloot has made a confession and its cooperation in the investigation.

conclusive
Counsel has applied for annulment in a letter to the Peruvian Supreme Court supported. The court examines the request and must be received in April inconclusive.

The Supreme Court may validate the sentence, annul or modify.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 24, 2012, 12:02:56 PM
http://larevista.aqpsoluciones.com/2012/01/24/joran-van-der-sloot-solicito-nulidad-de-sentencia/

Google translation

Joran van der Sloot sought annulment of sentence
January 24, 2012 7:13 pm

 ::snipping2::
The killer's lawyer, Jose Luis Jiménez, said he hopes the Supreme Court resolved the order in two months, "to awaken this case the national and international interest."

"My defendant challenges the fundamentals of the sentence, as it is said that did not cooperate with the law. In one of the preamble states that, after being arrested, first denied the charges and then accepted. But he said because there were no guarantees, there was no translator, "he said.

The Dutch purge 28 years' imprisonment in the penitentiary of Piedras BBW, and must pay 200 thousand suns as civil damages.

On the other hand, counsel rejected owing money to the U.S. citizen Maria Hammer, calling itself the "benefactor" Dutch.
"The lady is a bit crazy and you can say whatever he wants. The truth is that the $ 79 000, which I did not ask, because she sent for payment of the bond-, he returned $ 69 000. The difference in money was spent on matters which were justified with receipts, "he said.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 24, 2012, 12:35:09 PM
http://larevista.aqpsoluciones.com/2012/01/24/joran-van-der-sloot-solicito-nulidad-de-sentencia/

Google translation

Joran van der Sloot sought annulment of sentence
January 24, 2012 7:13 pm

 ::snipping2::
The killer's lawyer, Jose Luis Jiménez, said he hopes the Supreme Court resolved the order in two months, "to awaken this case the national and international interest."

"My defendant challenges the fundamentals of the sentence, as it is said that did not cooperate with the law. In one of the preamble states that, after being arrested, first denied the charges and then accepted. But he said because there were no guarantees, there was no translator, "he said.

The Dutch purge 28 years' imprisonment in the penitentiary of Piedras BBW, and must pay 200 thousand suns as civil damages.

On the other hand, counsel rejected owing money to the U.S. citizen Maria Hammer, calling itself the "benefactor" Dutch.
"The lady is a bit crazy and you can say whatever he wants. The truth is that the $ 79 000, which I did not ask, because she sent for payment of the bond-, he returned $ 69 000. The difference in money was spent on matters which were justified with receipts, "he said.


It was obvious that none of that $10K was spent on new clothes for Joran for court! 

All of these people are "carneys" and this is their sideshow.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 24, 2012, 01:36:42 PM
That 20K to Anita isn't coming back. FO SHO!

That was momma's chicken mc nugget fund. :smt117 No use fighting about it, Mary.

It would be like squaring off with a wolf over a fresh kill.

Some things in life are just best as a write off.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 24, 2012, 03:15:08 PM
April?  April is when the defamation lawsuit filed by the Kalpoe brothers against Phil McGraw is scheduled for trial.

Janet

+++++


Van Der Sloot Appeals 28-Year Sentence
Updated: Tuesday, 24 Jan 2012, 2:50 PM EST
Published : Tuesday, 24 Jan 2012, 2:50 PM EST


(NewsCore) - Joran van der Sloot has appealed the 28-year sentence imposed on him by a Peruvian court for killing a young woman in Lima in 2010, his attorney, Jose Luis Jimenez, told AFP Tuesday.

Van der Sloot is also considered the chief suspect in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba in 2005.

He was sentenced earlier this month to 28 years in prison after pleading guilty to murdering 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his hotel room after they met in a casino.

She was found beaten and strangled five years to the day from Holloway's disappearance.

A reduced sentence is a matter of discretion for the presiding judge under Peruvian law, according to AFP.

"But we can legitimately aspire to a greater reduction because from the beginning Joran van der Sloot showed cooperation with justice," Jimenez said.

The appeal, filed before the Peruvian Supreme Court, is likely to be adjudicated between April and May, the lawyer said.

<snipped>

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/van-der-sloot-appeals-28-year-sentence-dpgonc-20120124-kh_17347906


Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

<Respectfully snipped by Tamikosmom>

04/23/2012 at 08:33 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 24, 2012, 03:15:16 PM
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/babyjoran.jpg)

Monster baby


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 24, 2012, 03:29:30 PM

"But we can legitimately aspire to a greater reduction because from the beginning Joran van der Sloot showed cooperation with justice," Jimenez said.
<snipped>

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/van-der-sloot-appeals-28-year-sentence-dpgonc-20120124-kh_17347906


I guess Joran and Jiminez forget that little story that Joran told about the Peruvians that robbed them in the car, and then the Peruvians waiting in his room to kill Stephany, and the ones that killed her while he went out for coffee.

He is caught on tape, entering the room with the coffee, coming right back out, pretending to have lost his keys, knocking on the door, then going for help to be let into the room. 

He then has Jiminez file to have his initial confession thrown out b/c it was obtained under duress and without the aide of an official translator.  Now, he's claiming the judges didn't pay enough attention to that confession.

Good grief. Poor Joran, always the victim.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 24, 2012, 03:42:30 PM
http://justlife4me.com/life/anita-van-der-sloot-hugen-is-joran-van-der-sloots-mother-photos-video/

 ::snipping2::
“I think a part of me still wants to believe that it’s all a very bad movie,” Anita said. “But I thought immediately of the parents of [ Stephany ] … in a way, I lost my child, too. I hope that he gets a chance to talk with the parents of Stephany Flores  (Ramirez) , and that he can tell them what happened,” Anita said. “And I apologize for them … that he’s my son — he’s not a monster. He can be very gentle, but it could be that he has bipolar personality. I hope he gets the help. I’m not a policeman — I’m a mom,” she said. “I believe in karma, I believe that very strongly. I believe that if you do things that you shouldn’t do, that a lot of [expletive] happens to you,” Anita said. “He didn’t want to listen to his parents. He didn’t listen to me, this last time. I tried to do my best. I don’t think I could have done more. He’s considered an adult right now. He has to do whatever he needs to do, and that is tell the truth [about] what happened.”
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 24, 2012, 03:44:49 PM
http://anitavandersloot.weebly.com/index.html

Anita's website  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 24, 2012, 06:35:10 PM
That 20K to Anita isn't coming back. FO SHO!

That was momma's chicken mc nugget fund. :smt117 No use fighting about it, Mary.

It would be like squaring off with a wolf over a fresh kill.

Some things in life are just best as a write off.

I bet she bought some beads with it!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 24, 2012, 06:38:25 PM
That 20K to Anita isn't coming back. FO SHO!
That was momma's chicken mc nugget fund. :smt117 No use fighting about it, Mary.

It would be like squaring off with a wolf over a fresh kill.

Some things in life are just best as a write off.

BBM ^^^^^ ::rhino::

It might be a good idea for Mary to follow Anita's advice in the email:  "Good, Mary.  Good decision.  It's time to move on.  Some lives are not worth saving."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 24, 2012, 06:44:31 PM
http://www.pzc.nl/nieuws/algemeen/binnenland/10331451/Beroep-Joran-van-der-Sloot-formeel-ingediend.ece

Google translation

Occupation Joran formally submitted   
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 | 10:10 p.m. | Last updated: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 | 10:10 p.m.

The Supreme Court of Peru will discuss the appeal in this case. Jimenez expects that for sure until March or April, before this court ruling.
 ::snipping2::
prison
Van der Sloot after his conviction to another prison. Stephany's father, Ricardo Flores, had previously voiced his displeasure about the 'privileges' of the Dutch in the establishment where he initially stayed.

The new prison in the north of Lima, has a stricter regime. The Big Stone, as the device is called, are among others mafia bosses and those convicted of terrorism.

Van der Sloot is only in a cell so that he can be better controlled and no longer can have a mobile phone, authorities said.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: yuknomenot on January 24, 2012, 07:31:16 PM
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/babyjoran.jpg)

Monster baby
Monster family


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 24, 2012, 08:41:41 PM
http://justlife4me.com/life/anita-van-der-sloot-hugen-is-joran-van-der-sloots-mother-photos-video/

 ::snipping2::
“I think a part of me still wants to believe that it’s all a very bad movie,” Anita said. “But I thought immediately of the parents of [ Stephany ] … in a way, I lost my child, too. I hope that he gets a chance to talk with the parents of Stephany Flores  (Ramirez) , and that he can tell them what happened,” Anita said. “And I apologize for them … that he’s my son — he’s not a monster. He can be very gentle, but it could be that he has bipolar personality. I hope he gets the help. I’m not a policeman — I’m a mom,” she said. “I believe in karma, I believe that very strongly. I believe that if you do things that you shouldn’t do, that a lot of [expletive] happens to you,” Anita said. “He didn’t want to listen to his parents. He didn’t listen to me, this last time. I tried to do my best. I don’t think I could have done more. He’s considered an adult right now. He has to do whatever he needs to do, and that is tell the truth [about] what happened.”
 ::snipping2::



Stephany Flores

Jo-An
Re: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT MURDERS AGAIN?
 « Reply #265 on: June 19, 2010, 09:34:10 AM »


Interview with Anita van der Sloot - De Telegraaf - June 19th 2010

The actual interview:

Target

Anita: I now believe that Joran might have done something to Stephany in Peru. Maybe an act of rage? I don't know. I'm very saddened that that businessman Flores lost his daughter, and I my son. That's the way it feels like."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8032.msg1164835#msg1164835


Natalee Holloway

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, MOTHER OF DUTCH SUSPECT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare but our life is a nightmare, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 24, 2012, 09:15:56 PM
Anita and Paulus van der Sloot are not victims.  Joran's parents must take responsibility for the shed blood of Natalee Holloway and Stephany Flores along with the devastating grief experienced by their respective families.  If only Joran had not been shielded by the adults in his life from the consequences of failing to adhere to the legal/moral boundaries established by a civilized society for his well-being and the well-being of others ... Natalee and Stephany would be pursuing their dreams.

Janet

+++++


The Enablers

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005


<snipped>

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He said, The truth will come forward, and I know that I didn't do anything to the girl. And the truth will come forward. And he was so strong.
And I believe in him. I believe so in him. ...It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count.  And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html


Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot


<snipped>

11. Joran van der Sloot is not stranger to sexual assault on woment.

12.  On at least three occasions prior to May, 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of "date rape" perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices.

13.  Using Ecstasy as his "date rape" drug of choice, Joran prowled the island, seeking to prey on young female tourists, especially blondes.

14 Joran’s proclivities, at a young age, were known to both of his parents, Paulus Van der Sloot and wife, Anita.

15. As recently as May 2005, Joran was receiving psychological counselling for his problems.

<snipped>

81. Defendant Paulus van der Sloot knew his minor child, Joran van der Sloot, had a long history of sexual assaults on young women.

<snipped>

http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp5.html


DANA PRETZER- July 23, 2007

Dana Pretzer: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy Mansur:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.    I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 24, 2012, 11:33:35 PM
jamcakes

The published on-line articles of June 3, 2010 state that Joran van der Sloot was detained but no explanation in regards to the happenings encompassing that detainment.  However the words of Joran's confession printed in "Portrait of a Monster" imply that Joran surrendered.

Janet

++++

PORTRAIT OF A MONSTER
Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson

Page 242:
  "The following day,  I left and I was again in Vasco da Gama and while in the cab I saw a picture of myself in a newspaper and how they were looking for a Dutchman who was an assassin. ...."

Page 243:  "So I started talking with a cabbie and I said I have to surrender and he said, 'I have a cousin that is chief of police in Santiago, if you want I can call him.' ...."

"An hour hour went by, and the police came to the cab in a regular vehicle, not a police car, where I got in and was driven to the immigration office in Santiago ...."


Chile Police Detain Joran Van Der Sloot in Peru Murder
Published June 03, 2010


<snipped>

The suspect, Joran van der Sloot, was escorted by three police officers as he was taken from a dark vehicle into a police office in downtown Santiago, Chile. He made no comment as he entered, walking calmly and without handcuffs as journalists shouted his name.

Van der Sloot was detained while traveling in a taxi, about halfway to the coast on Route 68, said Prefect Alfredo Espinosa, chief national spokesman for Chile's investigative police. The suspect did not resist and has been calm in detention, Espinosa said.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/03/chile-police-detain-dutchman-peru-killing-years-holloway-slaying-aruba/



For some reason (LOL) I don't believe a word that Joran says.  Not that the media always gets it right either.... but, I still can't picture Joran turning himself in.

Thanks for providing the quotes on the subject.


I can't either, jamcakes.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

This is another excerpt from the book by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson.
IMO, it's probably closer to the truth of the matter.
 

Portrait of a Monster
Joran van der Sloot, A Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery

By:  Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson

Pages 162-163

Chapter Sixteen

June 3, 2010
Santiago, Chile

 ::snipping2::

Joran had been in the coastal town of Vina del Mar when he hired the cab.  He was familiar with Vina del Mar.  It was renowned for its nightlife and gambling, and was supposed to have been the final stop on the Latin American Poker Tour, before the powerful 8.8-magnitude earthquake that past February had compelled the organizers to relocate the event to Peru.  Vina del Mar was an immaculate resort town with a climate similar to the Mediterranean, gorgeous palm-lined boulevards, high-end hotels, and casinos, including the historic Casino del Mar, the first and largest in Chile.  It had been spared catastrophic damage from the quake and was, for the most part, back in business.

Three days had passed since Joran bilked the Peruvian taxi drivers back in Arica.  Since then, he had traveled nearly 1,200 miles down the Chilean coast to Vina del Mar.  The morning fog hovered over the town as he climbed into the backseat of a private taxi he had hired to take him to the capital city of Santiago de Chile, about eighty-five miles southeast on Highway 68.  Despite what he had told the cabdrivers, he somehow still had access to funds.   

::snipping2::

Joran was filled with anxiety that morning.  He had seen his picture in the newspaper, and he knew he was a wanted man.  Still, he was determined to get to Santiago, hoping he could "disappear" among the five million people that called the city home.  From there he would be able to pursue escape options to either Aruba or Holland.

 ::snipping2::

Just before 12:30 P.M., the taxi entered the Zapata Tunnel, a one-mile long mountain pass just west of Curacavi.  On the other side, the highway widens into multiple feeder lanes as it approaches the massive toll plaza bisecting the road.  Spotting the booths ahead, Joran crouched down in the backseat, trying to make himself invisible as the taxi driver slowed to pay the toll.  But his height made hiding impossible and his odd behavior drew the attention of the toll collector.

All tollbooth attendants had been placed on high alert since Chilean authorities had notified them of a suspected murderer on the run from Peru the previous day.  This passenger seemed to resemble the description that had been provided, and an alert witness contacted the highway authority.  Within moments, blue-and-white police vehicles converged on the scene and Joran's fugitive status came to an abrupt halt.

Officers didn't know what to expect when they ordered Van der Sloot out of the vehicle.  Many were surprised by his indifference.  He looked almost relieved that this flight had come to an end and did not resist in any way.

TV news crews were waiting at the Borgono police barracks in the Independencia district in the northern part of Santiago, fifteen miles from the toll plaza.  Journalists had been tipped off that Stephany Flores's alleged killer had been captured on Highway 68 outside of Curacavi.

 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 24, 2012, 11:37:45 PM

Drinking is not anything new for Anita, it has been the tie that binds and opens up the minds of those "friends" of hers, that were more than happy to suck up and then spew her lies for years imo.  Some of them were probably not long time residents (just part of IFA) so they didn't know enough about the family to question what they were told.  But some DID and DO know better.  Anita had the advantage of a kind of automatic respect that most would have to earn because of her position as a teacher at the International School for all these years.  And she used it, and still does.  Her interactions and "friendships" with students of hers on facebook would be frowned upon if not forbidden here.  JMO but I think there are probably those, especially ones that had children say Sebastian's age who's eyes were eventually opened to the not so respectable lives the Van der Sloot's actually lead there and the problems that it seems more than one of their children have.  With the number of people that go there and spend a couple years and then come back to the states, or where ever they were from; many in positions that put their children in the International School...it has been easy for Anita to manipulate people, many that never saw the whole picture about that family.  Again, jmo.   

 

::MonkeyCheer4::

Post of the day  IMO

 ::justice2NJ::


Thanks Tibro!   ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2012, 12:02:17 AM
jamcakes

The published on-line articles of June 3, 2010 state that Joran van der Sloot was detained but no explanation in regards to the happenings encompassing that detainment.  However the words of Joran's confession printed in "Portrait of a Monster" imply that Joran surrendered.

Janet

++++

PORTRAIT OF A MONSTER
Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson

Page 242:
  "The following day,  I left and I was again in Vasco da Gama and while in the cab I saw a picture of myself in a newspaper and how they were looking for a Dutchman who was an assassin. ...."

Page 243:  "So I started talking with a cabbie and I said I have to surrender and he said, 'I have a cousin that is chief of police in Santiago, if you want I can call him.' ...."

"An hour hour went by, and the police came to the cab in a regular vehicle, not a police car, where I got in and was driven to the immigration office in Santiago ...."


Chile Police Detain Joran Van Der Sloot in Peru Murder
Published June 03, 2010


<snipped>

The suspect, Joran van der Sloot, was escorted by three police officers as he was taken from a dark vehicle into a police office in downtown Santiago, Chile. He made no comment as he entered, walking calmly and without handcuffs as journalists shouted his name.

Van der Sloot was detained while traveling in a taxi, about halfway to the coast on Route 68, said Prefect Alfredo Espinosa, chief national spokesman for Chile's investigative police. The suspect did not resist and has been calm in detention, Espinosa said.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/03/chile-police-detain-dutchman-peru-killing-years-holloway-slaying-aruba/



For some reason (LOL) I don't believe a word that Joran says.  Not that the media always gets it right either.... but, I still can't picture Joran turning himself in.

Thanks for providing the quotes on the subject.


jamcakes

If it were not for the what appears to be affirmation by the Peruvian interrogator that Joran van der Sloot did indeed surrendered to Chilean authorities... I too  would have doubted Joran's claim in his confession.

Janet

+++++

Joran van der Sloot's Confession
Posted on Jun 15, 2010 @ 01:05PM

 
<snipped>

43. Have you voluntarily surrendered or were the brothers and Aparcana Pisconte EURIB Pretil who suggested that?

- Yes, I have voluntarily surrendered. It was my decision.

<snipped>

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/06/joran-van-der-sloots-confession-read-entire-document-here


Van der Sloot's lawyer files for reduced sentence
January 23, 2012


On Monday, Joran Van der Sloot’s lawyer, Luis Jimenez, filed a motion to reduce the Dutchman’s 28-year prison sentence.

"I am questioning the content of the sentence and asking for a reduction of the years [of the sentence]," Jimenez said to El Comercio.

He did not say how many years he wanted the sentence reduced by.

Jimenez said the request was being made because the court said the defendant had not collaborated with authorities.

The Dutchman’s lawyer argues the opposite is true.

"He was not captured in Chile, he turned himself in […] and gave details of how he had committed the crime."

<snipped>

http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-1426-Van-der-Sloots-lawyer-files-for-reduced-sentence/




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2012, 12:04:47 AM
I don't believe for one minute that Anita is heartbroken or has given up on Joran.  He had the "new" Anita picture on his phone.  They both blame others for their situation.  They are both full of anger.  

Do Dutch widows routinely change their name back to a version of their maiden name?

Who does she blame for Paulus's untimely death?  Joran or the Holloways and the court of public opinion?

I wonder what those who criticized Natalee's loved ones for drinking are thinking about Anita's new pasttime?


Drinking is not anything new for Anita, it has been the tie that binds and opens up the minds of those "friends" of hers, that were more than happy to suck up and then spew her lies for years imo.  Some of them were probably not long time residents (just part of IFA) so they didn't know enough about the family to question what they were told.  But some DID and DO know better.  Anita had the advantage of a kind of automatic respect that most would have to earn because of her position as a teacher at the International School for all these years.  And she used it, and still does.  Her interactions and "friendships" with students of hers on facebook would be frowned upon if not forbidden here.  JMO but I think there are probably those, especially ones that had children say Sebastian's age whose eyes were eventually opened to the not so respectable lives the Van der Sloot's actually lead there and the problems that it seems more than one of their children have.  With the number of people that go there and spend a couple years and then come back to the states, or where ever they were from; many in positions that put their children in the International School...it has been easy for Anita to manipulate people, many that never saw the whole picture about that family. Again, jmo.  

I agree.  How many times have we said that Joran was just like his father.  I am beginning to think that Joran is just like his mother.  She is evil.

BBM, Absolutely. 

The monster that Joran became was contributed to by them both though.  Each in their own ways.  And even after they saw what he was capable of; they continued to enable him...and protect him.

jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 25, 2012, 03:19:27 AM


I can't either, jamcakes.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

This is another excerpt from the book by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson.
IMO, it's probably closer to the truth of the matter.
  

Portrait of a Monster
Joran van der Sloot, A Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery

By:  Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson

Pages 162-163

Chapter Sixteen

June 3, 2010
Santiago, Chile

 ::snipping2::

Joran had been in the coastal town of Vina del Mar when he hired the cab.  He was familiar with Vina del Mar.  It was renowned for its nightlife and gambling, and was supposed to have been the final stop on the Latin American Poker Tour, before the powerful 8.8-magnitude earthquake that past February had compelled the organizers to relocate the event to Peru.  Vina del Mar was an immaculate resort town with a climate similar to the Mediterranean, gorgeous palm-lined boulevards, high-end hotels, and casinos, including the historic Casino del Mar, the first and largest in Chile.  It had been spared catastrophic damage from the quake and was, for the most part, back in business.

Three days had passed since Joran bilked the Peruvian taxi drivers back in Arica.  Since then, he had traveled nearly 1,200 miles down the Chilean coast to Vina del Mar.  The morning fog hovered over the town as he climbed into the backseat of a private taxi he had hired to take him to the capital city of Santiago de Chile, about eighty-five miles southeast on Highway 68.  Despite what he had told the cabdrivers, he somehow still had access to funds.  

::snipping2::

Joran was filled with anxiety that morning.  He had seen his picture in the newspaper, and he knew he was a wanted man.  Still, he was determined to get to Santiago, hoping he could "disappear" among the five million people that called the city home.  From there he would be able to pursue escape options to either Aruba or Holland.

 ::snipping2::

Just before 12:30 P.M., the taxi entered the Zapata Tunnel, a one-mile long mountain pass just west of Curacavi.  On the other side, the highway widens into multiple feeder lanes as it approaches the massive toll plaza bisecting the road.  Spotting the booths ahead, Joran crouched down in the backseat, trying to make himself invisible as the taxi driver slowed to pay the toll.  But his height made hiding impossible and his odd behavior drew the attention of the toll collector.

All tollbooth attendants had been placed on high alert since Chilean authorities had notified them of a suspected murderer on the run from Peru the previous day.  This passenger seemed to resemble the description that had been provided, and an alert witness contacted the highway authority.  Within moments, blue-and-white police vehicles converged on the scene and Joran's fugitive status came to an abrupt halt.

Officers didn't know what to expect when they ordered Van der Sloot out of the vehicle.  Many were surprised by his indifference.  He looked almost relieved that this flight had come to an end and did not resist in any way.

TV news crews were waiting at the Borgono police barracks in the Independencia district in the northern part of Santiago, fifteen miles from the toll plaza.  Journalists had been tipped off that Stephany Flores's alleged killer had been captured on Highway 68 outside of Curacavi.

 ::snipping2::



Thanks Texasmom.

This seems a more believable version.  I remember reading in the news dated and timed updates of his apprehension.

My rule of thumb is, if Joran says it, there may be a tiny hidden bit of the truth in it.  But don't hold your breath!
(Edit-fix quotes.  MB)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 25, 2012, 03:21:46 AM
Oops, sorry TexasMom for posting in your box.  Gee, I guess I better use preview b4 I post from now on. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2012, 03:24:30 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/24/joran-van-der-sloot-appeal_n_1229012.html

Joran Van Der Sloot Appeals 28-Year Murder Sentence

 ::snipping2::

On Monday, van der Sloot's lawyer, Luis Jimenez, filed a motion to reduce his client's prison sentence.

"I am questioning the content of the sentence and asking for a reduction of the years [of the sentence]," Jimenez told El Comercio.

On Jan. 13, Van der Sloot was sentenced to 28 years in prison, for the murder of Stephany Flores.

Jimenez said he has made the request because the three judges who sentenced Van der Sloot did not take into account his client's cooperation with police.

"He was not captured in Chile, he turned himself in," the attorney said.

Jimenez's statement about van der Sloot's arrest is in direct contrast to how Chilean police had described taking him into custody on June 3, 2010. Officials then said Van der Sloot was traveling near the Chilean-Peru border when he was apprehended and taken to a police station in Santiago. No mention was made of surrender.

 ::snipping2::

After his arrest in Chili, van der Sloot had allegedly insisted he did not kill Flores, Chilean police said.

Van der Sloot's attorney now claims his client cooperated by giving police a confession.

"[He] gave details of how he had committed the crime," Jimenez told El Comercio.

The validity of Jimenez's claim is somewhat questionable.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2012, 03:25:31 AM
Oops, sorry TexasMom for posting in your box.  Gee, I guess I better use preview b4 I post from now on. ::MonkeyNoNo::

No problem, it happens to us all sometimes!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 25, 2012, 11:37:04 AM
While thinking about Joran's flight to Chile and subsequent detainment - this dawned on me:

Joran is not protected by Mafia – not now or then

Occam’s Razor = K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid)
Occam’s Razor is a line of reasoning that says the simplest answer is often correct.

Some of us believed that Joran was involved in money laundering and/or pornography/sex trafficking in order to explain  the how’s and why’s of NAH’s disappearance.

FOR:
1.   b/c of Posner’s connections with the Chicago mob and him owning the Excelsior Casino
2.   Joran’s access to a lot of money
3.   as explanation for Joran’s privileges on the island
4.   as explanation for Joran being “untouchable” and getting away with it
5.   Chicago money backing Deepak’s and Satish’s lawsuit against Dr Phil
6.    rumor of Paulus traveling to Miami shortly after NAH disappeared

AGAINST:
1.   Joran was broke and desperate in Peru just prior to killing Stephany
2.   If Joran was connected to the mob, they could have helped him escape in Chile or taken him out in what looked like an accident while Joran was on the run after  killing Stephany
3.   Mob would not have allowed Joran to live and make so many public interviews regarding NAH – they could (and would) have taken him out to ensure his silence
4.   Chicago money could be anyone with grudge against Dr Phil and/or Oprah’s Harpo Productions

So to keep it simple:
Joran got away with NAH murder/disappearance due to his families influence in Aruban society, who knew the right people in high places, and an Aruba who was more concerned with their own image and their bottom line in the tourism industry.
Joran didn't get away with it in Peru b/c his family had no pull there, and he is and was never afforded protection by the mob

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: sharon on January 25, 2012, 12:27:56 PM
While thinking about Joran's flight to Chile and subsequent detainment - this dawned on me:

Joran is not protected by Mafia – not now or then

Occam’s Razor = K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid)
Occam’s Razor is a line of reasoning that says the simplest answer is often correct.

Some of us believed that Joran was involved in money laundering and/or pornography/sex trafficking in order to explain  the how’s and why’s of NAH’s disappearance.

FOR:
1.   b/c of Posner’s connections with the Chicago mob and him owning the Excelsior Casino
2.   Joran’s access to a lot of money
3.   as explanation for Joran’s privileges on the island
4.   as explanation for Joran being “untouchable” and getting away with it
5.   Chicago money backing Deepak’s and Satish’s lawsuit against Dr Phil
6.    rumor of Paulus traveling to Miami shortly after NAH disappeared

AGAINST:
1.   Joran was broke and desperate in Peru just prior to killing Stephany
2.   If Joran was connected to the mob, they could have helped him escape in Chile or taken him out in what looked like an accident while Joran was on the run after  killing Stephany
3.   Mob would not have allowed Joran to live and make so many public interviews regarding NAH – they could (and would) have taken him out to ensure his silence
4.   Chicago money could be anyone with grudge against Dr Phil and/or Oprah’s Harpo Productions

So to keep it simple:
Joran got away with NAH murder/disappearance due to his families influence in Aruban society, who knew the right people in high places, and an Aruba who was more concerned with their own image and their bottom line in the tourism industry.
Joran didn't get away with it in Peru b/c his family had no pull there, and he is and was never afforded protection by the mob

jmo



IMOO

Occam's razor = Joran's attorney defended John Gotti

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 25, 2012, 12:44:01 PM
While thinking about Joran's flight to Chile and subsequent detainment - this dawned on me:

Joran is not protected by Mafia – not now or then

Occam’s Razor = K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid)
Occam’s Razor is a line of reasoning that says the simplest answer is often correct.

Some of us believed that Joran was involved in money laundering and/or pornography/sex trafficking in order to explain  the how’s and why’s of NAH’s disappearance.

FOR:
1.   b/c of Posner’s connections with the Chicago mob and him owning the Excelsior Casino
2.   Joran’s access to a lot of money
3.   as explanation for Joran’s privileges on the island
4.   as explanation for Joran being “untouchable” and getting away with it
5.   Chicago money backing Deepak’s and Satish’s lawsuit against Dr Phil
6.    rumor of Paulus traveling to Miami shortly after NAH disappeared

AGAINST:
1.   Joran was broke and desperate in Peru just prior to killing Stephany
2.   If Joran was connected to the mob, they could have helped him escape in Chile or taken him out in what looked like an accident while Joran was on the run after  killing Stephany
3.   Mob would not have allowed Joran to live and make so many public interviews regarding NAH – they could (and would) have taken him out to ensure his silence
4.   Chicago money could be anyone with grudge against Dr Phil and/or Oprah’s Harpo Productions

So to keep it simple:
Joran got away with NAH murder/disappearance due to his families influence in Aruban society, who knew the right people in high places, and an Aruba who was more concerned with their own image and their bottom line in the tourism industry.
Joran didn't get away with it in Peru b/c his family had no pull there, and he is and was never afforded protection by the mob

jmo


You are correct. imo

Joran was not connected to the mob... he was connected to the SLOB, Paulus. No matter how many professional contacts and family connections Paul called in for him, and there were many, he continued to burn through all of them and spit right in his dad's face.

Yup. Paul supported Joran and gave him money to play around the world... and instead of learning something useful with his time, he peed it away and put his father in the grave. As soon as Paulus slammed down on the concrete, the clock was ticking away until Joran imploded.

Paul let him play around the world for about four years. Joran could not stand on his own two feet for a measly 4 months.

I want to write a song called "Ode to the Bastard of Boxtel" ... Thanks for nothin' asho. ::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 25, 2012, 01:24:38 PM
http://anitavandersloot.weebly.com/index.html

Anita's website  ::MonkeyNoNo::



 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 25, 2012, 01:26:44 PM
I would think Posner was furious with Joran for bringing scandal to his casino.  Not a move favored with the mob, IMO.  No one seems to be inclined in the least to come to the aid of Joran except for the delusional Dr.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 25, 2012, 01:31:51 PM



IMOO

Occam's razor = Joran's attorney defended John Gotti

jmo

Joran's attorney was Joe Tacopina.  On Tacopina's list of notable cases, it lists Joran, but not Gotti. http://www.tacopinalaw.com/notable-cases/

I Googled John Gotti's lawyers and they listed Bruce Cutler and Roy Cohn.

Would you provide proof that Joran's attorney defended John Gotti or vice versa.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 25, 2012, 01:31:54 PM
"No sentences Joran '

AMSTERDAM - The chance that Joran lower penalty imposed is zero. Suggests that a criminal expert from Peru, after Van der Sloot's lawyer rather an annulment of the award requested.

 ::snipping2::

According to criminal law expert Giovanna Gismondi, there is little basis for this statement will be amended. The court examines the request and must be received in April inconclusive.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/11365018/___Geen_strafvermindering_Joran___.html?sn=binnenland,buitenland

The judges made it crystal clear that the fact that Joran tried to retract his confession just about cancelled it.  He got two years reduction in sentence for it and that was all they deemed it was worth. 

I don't see their altering a thing about his sentence.

Now I just wonder when he will be brought to Alabama to stand trial on the federal extortion charges and how many years he will get for that to add on to the 28 he already has. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: sharon on January 25, 2012, 01:46:16 PM



IMOO

Occam's razor = Joran's attorney defended John Gotti

jmo

Joran's attorney was Joe Tacopina.  On Tacopina's list of notable cases, it lists Joran, but not Gotti. http://www.tacopinalaw.com/notable-cases/

I Googled John Gotti's lawyers and they listed Bruce Cutler and Roy Cohn.

Would you provide proof that Joran's attorney defended John Gotti or vice versa.  Thanks.

http://cityfile.com/profiles/joseph-tacopina

Who

Mobsters, murderers, and molesters have all found a friend in defense attorney Joseph Tacopina.
Backstory

Tacopina was born and raised in Sheepshead Bay and wrestled as a Poly Prep high school student. He set his sights on a law career while at Skidmore—he says the true crime novel Fatal Vision inspired him—and after graduating from the University of Bridgeport's law school, he landed a gig assisting Bruce Cutler (a fellow Poly Prep alum) on the Gotti murder trial of 1992. Cutler was soon kicked off the case, and Tacopina headed off to become an assistant district attorney in Brooklyn. In 1995 he went into private practice, although he didn't do so with a long list of clients in hand. (He says he worked a night job checking coats at a hotel for a spell to pay the bills.) Tacopina's career took off when he got involved in the "Morgue Boys" trial, in which three Brooklyn cops were accused of stealing cash and drugs while on duty. Since then, Tacopina has represented a bunch of cops-gone-bad, including Thomas Wiese, who was accused in the assault on Abner Louima, and former police officer Anthony Vasquez, who shot an unarmed man named Patrick Dorismond during a scuffle.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2012, 02:00:44 PM
While thinking about Joran's flight to Chile and subsequent detainment - this dawned on me:

Joran is not protected by Mafia – not now or then

Occam’s Razor = K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid)
Occam’s Razor is a line of reasoning that says the simplest answer is often correct.

Some of us believed that Joran was involved in money laundering and/or pornography/sex trafficking in order to explain  the how’s and why’s of NAH’s disappearance.

FOR:
1.   b/c of Posner’s connections with the Chicago mob and him owning the Excelsior Casino
2.   Joran’s access to a lot of money
3.   as explanation for Joran’s privileges on the island
4.   as explanation for Joran being “untouchable” and getting away with it
5.   Chicago money backing Deepak’s and Satish’s lawsuit against Dr Phil
6.    rumor of Paulus traveling to Miami shortly after NAH disappeared

AGAINST:
1.   Joran was broke and desperate in Peru just prior to killing Stephany
2.   If Joran was connected to the mob, they could have helped him escape in Chile or taken him out in what looked like an accident while Joran was on the run after  killing Stephany
3.   Mob would not have allowed Joran to live and make so many public interviews regarding NAH – they could (and would) have taken him out to ensure his silence
4.   Chicago money could be anyone with grudge against Dr Phil and/or Oprah’s Harpo Productions

So to keep it simple:
Joran got away with NAH murder/disappearance due to his families influence in Aruban society, who knew the right people in high places, and an Aruba who was more concerned with their own image and their bottom line in the tourism industry.
Joran didn't get away with it in Peru b/c his family had no pull there, and he is and was never afforded protection by the mob

jmo



IMOO

Occam's razor = Joran's attorney defended John Gotti

jmo

 ::rhino::

Was Joran van der Sloot a participant in furthering Aruba's underground economies?  Think about it.  Joran's age implies he should never have been allowed on the premises of the Excelsior Casino.  He should never have been allowed on the premises of Carlos and Charlies'.  He should never have been allowed on the premises of the Radisson Casino.  He should never have been allowed on the premises of the Wyndham Casino.  Yet he was not only given free access to these establishments ... give free n access to unsuspecting young women ... he was afforded drinking and gambling privileges.

Why did Casino/Club management ... Paulus van der Sloot and ... Aruban authorities turn a blind eye to the illegal activities of underage Joran and his cohorts?  Could it be that Joran was a participant ... a front ... a lure in the furthering of specific Aruban underground activities?

I suspect that to assure his silence the Aruban "powers that be" are behind the scenes in Peru attempting to appease Joran while at the same time pacifying Stephany Flores influencial father who fully comprehends that the one who brutally murdered his daughter has been afforded special privileges since "the first day" in Peruvian lockup.

However ... if Joran's silence cannot be assured in regards to his participation in Aruba's underground economies ... regarding the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 as well as those who were involved and ... regarding the corrupt investigation that protected him and denied Natalee Holloway justice ... Joran will be taken out.  The mob will not allow the Aruban house of cards to collapse.

IMO

Janet

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Aruban casino boss had ties to Chicago mob
Thursday, February 23, 2006 | 6:07 PM


February 23, 2006 (WLS) -- Authorities on the island of Aruba have not been able to solve the mystery of what happened to Alabama teenager Natalie Holloway. She disappeared while on a high school trip last spring. The ABC7 I-Team has learned new details about the casino where Holloway was last seen, an Aruba casino run by a convicted high-ranking Chicago mobster.

The unsolved disappearance of 18-year-old Natalie Holloway has commanded worldwide attention. It has been widely reported that the last place Holloway was known to be alive was the Excelsior casino connected to the Holiday Inn where she and her classmates were staying.
 
The I-Team has learned thatthe casino where Holloway was last seen is operated by Chicagoan Michael Posner. The intelligence report on Posner lists him as a prominent member of the Chicago outfit for more than 40 years.

According to federal law enforcement, Michael Posner's most recent mob assignment was boss of illegal rackets in the north suburbs. Posner was convicted in 1987 of threatening wayward gamblers with death and running prostitutes out of this Lake County strip club.

Through his Chicago lawyer, Posner maintains that he has been clean for 15 years and since 1998 has operated the Excelsior casino on the Caribbean resort on the island of Aruba.
 
Last May, honor student Natalie Holloway was staying at the resort on her high school graduation trip when she disappeared. One of the last places she was seen alive was in Posner's Excelsior casino.
 
In security tape obtained by ABC News, Holloway is seen at a table seated next to Joran van der Sloot, a local who is the prime suspect in the case

<snipped>

Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.

Posner says he has paid the expenses for private investigators to come here and assist in the search for Holloway and according to his lawyer: "He has nothin' to do with nothing" in the murder case.
 
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=investigative&id=3936339


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2012, 02:04:36 PM
ARUBA'S UNDERGROUND ECONOMY - WAS JORAN A PARTICIPANT?

1. All are Participants

'Scarborough Country' for August 26
updated 12:49 p.m. PT, Mon., Aug. 29, 2005


JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


2. Excelsior Casino - Paulus van der Sloot

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006


<snipped>

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


3.  Auban Authorities

Jossy Mansur - DANA PRETZER- July 23, 2007


Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.    I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


4. Carlos N' Charlies'

Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005


After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.0


5.  Carlos N' Charlies'

Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005


Then Natalee said that she also wanted to drink a Jellyshot but the bartender told me that that bar was closed. After that Natalee and me walked to another bar that was still open at that time.  I asked the bartender two shots of Bacardi 151. I still had the whisky coke in my hand. Natalee asked me if she should drink the Bacardi 151 in one go. I answered her affirmatively and she answered me that she would do it in two. Natalee said to me that she needed a "chaser" in order to drink the Bacardi. Natalee drank my whisky coke as a "chaser" and then she drank the Bacardi 151 in two goes. I payed for the two shots of Bacardi 151. I do not know where Deepak stood at that moment but according to me Satish was still standing beside me. I did not ask for another kind of alcoholic beverage because I always drink Bacardi 151. Bacardi 151 is 151 proof and that means that it is 75.5% alcohol. I payed U.S. $ 20,- for the two shots of Bacardi 151.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.0
 

6. Excelsior Casino

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:
  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron tdesk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."
 

7. Radisson Casino

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005


Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" gedronken in the Radisson Casino.  I now that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks.   I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=182.0


8. Tempting Poses

Aruba Suspects Accused of Taking Sex Photos of Another Girl
Thursday, September 01, 2005


The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.
 
Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00.html


9.  Carlos N' Charlies'

'The Abrams Report' for August 4
updated 8:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Aug. 5, 2005


<snipped>

TWITTY:  You know it's a pretty long scenario; we have a lot of details.  You know the main thing to sum it up is you know Joran, how he entered this establishment.  I believe that you know if you enter on the right side, you have to have a valid I.D.  If you enter Carlos N' Charlie's on the left side, you must have some type of—I don't know if it's a VIP pass or what to enter, but Joran enters the establishment on the left side, approaches these groups of tourists. 

You know it's interesting how he is able to try to work his way in and connect and establish himself in that—in Carlos N' Charlie's, was walking her around and these other tourists and was able to point out Satish and Deepak Kalpoe.  They were sitting ironically in the same corner, the same stools that they were seated at in the picture that's been all over international media, so that must be their spot that they wait while Joran is working.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8838598
 

10. Various Hotels

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 10, 2005

To your question as to what role Joran plays in our circle of friends, I can state the following. He has no real role. We are all the same.

To your question as to where we take the girls we pick up, I can state the following. Sometimes the girls stay at "Carlos & Charlies" or sometimes we take them to their hotel.

To your question was to what exactly happens when we have picked up the girls, I can state the following. Just kissing and dancing.

To your question whether sexual intercourse has happened, I can state the following. Yes, it has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=215.0

 
11. Excelsior Casino - Paulus van der Sloot

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Sept. 19th
updated 9/20/2005 9:33:56 AM ET


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  Well, there was a phone call made.  And it was just really having me refer to—you know, I‘d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


12.  Excelsior Casino

Aruban casino boss had ties to Chicago mob
Thursday, February 23, 2006 | 6:07 PM


February 23, 2006 (WLS) -- Authorities on the island of Aruba have not been able to solve the mystery of what happened to Alabama teenager Natalie Holloway. She disappeared while on a high school trip last spring. The ABC7 I-Team has learned new details about the casino where Holloway was last seen, an Aruba casino run by a convicted high-ranking Chicago mobster.

The unsolved disappearance of 18-year-old Natalie Holloway has commanded worldwide attention. It has been widely reported that the last place Holloway was known to be alive was the Excelsior casino connected to the Holiday Inn where she and her classmates were staying.
 
The I-Team has learned thatthe casino where Holloway was last seen is operated by Chicagoan Michael Posner. The intelligence report on Posner lists him as a prominent member of the Chicago outfit for more than 40 years.

According to federal law enforcement, Michael Posner's most recent mob assignment was boss of illegal rackets in the north suburbs. Posner was convicted in 1987 of threatening wayward gamblers with death and running prostitutes out of this Lake County strip club.

Through his Chicago lawyer, Posner maintains that he has been clean for 15 years and since 1998 has operated the Excelsior casino on the Caribbean resort on the island of Aruba.
 
Last May, honor student Natalie Holloway was staying at the resort on her high school graduation trip when she disappeared. One of the last places she was seen alive was in Posner's Excelsior casino.
 
In security tape obtained by ABC News, Holloway is seen at a table seated next to Joran van der Sloot, a local who is the prime suspect in the case

<snipped>

Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.

Posner says he has paid the expenses for private investigators to come here and assist in the search for Holloway and according to his lawyer: "He has nothin' to do with nothing" in the murder case.
 
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=investigative&id=3936339


Michael Posner Upset over Excelsior casino Security Tapes to ABC

Posted February 25, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/02/25/michael-posner-upset-over-excelsior-casino-security-tapes-to-abc/

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kermit on January 25, 2012, 02:15:53 PM
I want to write a song called "Ode to the Bastard of Boxtel" ... Thanks for nothin' asho. ::MonkeyTongue::
::monkeywine2::

me thinks the mob is connected to em all & Joran was in the casinos for a reason, that's why dad ran off to the bank when his son was to be interrogated - gotta stash that cash rather then leave it in the piggy bank on the mantel.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: 4getUnot on January 25, 2012, 02:52:08 PM


I wonder if she stayed in the apt when she went to visit JVS in Castro Castro?

I wonder if JVS was able to sneak out of Castro Castro and have sexy times in the apartment?  I imagine you can get a lot of millage out of $75,000.00.



And buy more doo-lolly clackers!   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Hi Monkeys!  I usually only read on Natalee's thread but I have to ask what are "doo-lolly clackers"?  TIA





doo-lolly clackers = benwa balls. Joran gave a pair to a Peruvian cab driver as partial payment for his escape ride to Chile.

This is my fault. I was trying to not say benwa balls... (because I think they're creepy) so I tried to find a cute word as a substitute. In doing so, I think I've created a virus.

Because nobody in their right mind knows what a doo-lolly clackers is.  ::MonkeyJnBox:: 1,000 apologies.

And I had to ask LOL!  Thanks for defining that for me, I will add it to my list of monkey made up words I've been keeping.  (Maybe we should start a thread called Monkey Talk where I could put this list and we can add to it.)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2012, 02:57:40 PM
My thought process exactly IF there are no negotiation taking place behind the scenes to lower Joran sentence and thereby qualify him a transfer to Aruba/Holland.
 
+++++

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #841 6/22/10 -
« Reply #1553 on: June 26, 2010, 12:47:13 AM »


I just have a feeling something even bigger is going to happen.  I have a feeling that Joran is going to throw people under the bus and start naming names.  Joran is mad and he will turn his anger towards Aruba for not helping him.  Everyone get ready to run.

People like:

Van der Straaten
Rudy Croes
Nelson Oduber
Karin Jannsen
Rick Smid
Bob Witt
Ben King
Michael Posner
Julia Renfro

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8145.msg1170391#msg1170391


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 25, 2012, 03:06:16 PM



IMOO

Occam's razor = Joran's attorney defended John Gotti

jmo

Joran's attorney was Joe Tacopina.  On Tacopina's list of notable cases, it lists Joran, but not Gotti. http://www.tacopinalaw.com/notable-cases/

I Googled John Gotti's lawyers and they listed Bruce Cutler and Roy Cohn.

Would you provide proof that Joran's attorney defended John Gotti or vice versa.  Thanks.

http://cityfile.com/profiles/joseph-tacopina

Who

Mobsters, murderers, and molesters have all found a friend in defense attorney Joseph Tacopina.
Backstory

Tacopina was born and raised in Sheepshead Bay and wrestled as a Poly Prep high school student. He set his sights on a law career while at Skidmore—he says the true crime novel Fatal Vision inspired him—and after graduating from the University of Bridgeport's law school, he landed a gig assisting Bruce Cutler (a fellow Poly Prep alum) on the Gotti murder trial of 1992. Cutler was soon kicked off the case, and Tacopina headed off to become an assistant district attorney in Brooklyn. In 1995 he went into private practice, although he didn't do so with a long list of clients in hand. (He says he worked a night job checking coats at a hotel for a spell to pay the bills.) Tacopina's career took off when he got involved in the "Morgue Boys" trial, in which three Brooklyn cops were accused of stealing cash and drugs while on duty. Since then, Tacopina has represented a bunch of cops-gone-bad, including Thomas Wiese, who was accused in the assault on Abner Louima, and former police officer Anthony Vasquez, who shot an unarmed man named Patrick Dorismond during a scuffle.



Thanks Sharon!

It's still my opinion, though, that Joran is and never was mob connected/protected.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: sharon on January 25, 2012, 03:22:40 PM
I want to write a song called "Ode to the Bastard of Boxtel" ... Thanks for nothin' asho. ::MonkeyTongue::
::monkeywine2::

me thinks the mob is connected to em all & Joran was in the casinos for a reason, that's why dad ran off to the bank when his son was to be interrogated - gotta stash that cash rather then leave it in the piggy bank on the mantel.





 ::HelloKitty::

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2012, 03:27:18 PM
I want to write a song called "Ode to the Bastard of Boxtel" ... Thanks for nothin' asho. ::MonkeyTongue::
::monkeywine2::

me thinks the mob is connected to em all & Joran was in the casinos for a reason, that's why dad ran off to the bank when his son was to be interrogated - gotta stash that cash rather then leave it in the piggy bank on the mantel.


RIBBIT!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2012, 03:33:13 PM
Mike Posner

DIARIO Aruba
11/21/2005


ORANJESTAD (AAN) The case of Natalee is taking other unexpected twists and very negative ones that are going to tarnish Aruba’s image as a safe destination for tourists and investors.

<snipped>

The government of Aruba recently declared that they will not permit Joe Mammana to enter Aruba.

Related to his past and criminal record, the government took the decision via the Minister of Justice that they cannot let such a person enter Aruba and about this there was information circulating that this Joe person sent a threatening letter to those who were detained in Aruba related to the case of Natalee.

The government’s actions in this case were correct because they cannot let this type of person come to Aruba and believe that they can come do what they see fit on our island, and to boot, Mammana is one of those who is trying, body and soul, to organize an unjust and unjustifiable boycott against Aruba.

What is strange is that the government refuses to let this ex-criminal enter Aruba, but on the other hand, permits another ex-criminal, Mike Posner who is going soon to the U.S. for cases of law violations, to be able to have a business in Aruba, and enter and leave Aruba whenever he wants.

To make matters worse, the person in question, Mike Posner, has been able to obtain a permit to operate a casino, where anyone who wants to have a casino in Aruba and the majority of other countries in the world have to have a clean criminal record.

Recently, this information has started to circulate in the U.S. as well, and seeing that it hasn’t been many days since via the American media false information was given that Aruba is a sort of den for criminals and even terrorists, the matter of the Aruba casino owner with a criminal past in the US, is going to help those who want to implement a total boycott against Aruba.

Wasn’t it in Mike Posner’s casino that the principal suspect in Natalee’s case, Joran van der Sloot, was sitting gambling, despite the fact that he was underage and that never should he have been permitted to enter the casino?

Some weeks back, other media in Aruba came out in vanguard of the ex-criminal Mike Posner and wrote and article that praised Mike Posner for his supposed achievements in Aruba and what interest they had with him, nobody knows.

Now that the government refuses an American ex-criminal entry to Aruba, the government has to justify the reason why until today they continue to permit a person with such a police record such as Mike Posner, can come to set up a business in Aruba, continue to operate his business in Aruba and come and go whenever he wants.

What sort of handling of Justice is there in Aruba and what impact will this case have in the US when the American media start to question the government of Aruba about this matter?

This matter is pending because there are more questionable things here and also the role that certain politicians in Aruba play and continue to play in this matter.

[translated by Getagrip]

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/11/aruban-casino-owner-with-criminal-past.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 25, 2012, 03:36:25 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-health-deteriorates-maximum-security-prison

Joran Van Der Sloot's Health Deteriorates After Being Moved To Maximum Security Prison
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 @ 11:30AM 
By Debbie Emery - Radar Reporter

Joran van der Sloot is no stranger to life in jail but his new home is a far cry from the luxuries he had grown used to during his 18 months at Lima's Castro Castro prison.

After he was sentenced to 28 years on January 13 for the May 2010 murder of Stephany Flores, van der Sloot was transferred to the high security facility of Piedras Gordas in northern Lima in response to criticism that his living conditions were too comfortable, and RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal that since the move his health has been in a downward spiral.

PHOTOS: Inside Piedras Gordas Prison

"His health has suffered and he is not doing well there," an insider exclusively told RadarOnline.com. "Joran blames the food and the water, he says that he is depressed and feeling weak all the time."

During his time at Castro Castro, the 24-year-old Dutchman enjoyed such perks as access to books, money, calling cards, internet access - and even conjugal visits.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2012, 03:36:50 PM
Michael Posner

10.17.2005
Government has its hand over Michael Posner’s head? Notorious Chicago figure active in Aruba casino
DIARIO Aruba
10/17/2005


ORANJESTAD (AAN): Some time ago DIARIO found information regarding the manager of the Holiday Inn’s Excelsior Casino and people have been calling out to ask how a figure with a criminal past of such an extent can be active in the casino industry of Aruba.

His name? Michael Posner, owner (or one of the owners) of the Brickel Hotel situated in front of the big hotels in Malmok. In the past he was arrested in the state of Illinois for violation of the Ricco Act (racketeering) and because he was also involved in the world of prostitution.

He was condemned to 10 years in prison, but apparently he served 8 out of the 10 years. He appealed his case and lost the appeal! After he was released he was on parole for 5 years. His name is also mentioned as an associate of a notorious family.

DIARIO knows that the government is at the height of such people, and asks how he can be active in the casino industry of Aruba. How did he find a permit to work in this branch with the background that he has? How has the Minister of Justice still not taken action against him? Now that his criminal past is known, what is the government waiting for to take him out of Aruba?

During the [election] campaign which recently came to an end, many comments and rumours were circulating regarding contributions to certain politicians, including those in the [current] government. DIARIO hopes that the issue of campaign moneys remain a rumour, because if true, then there are more politicians for sale than is [already] apparent.

The presence of Michael Posner in the Aruba casino industry, with the criminal past that he has, does not speak well of the judicial control system, nor that of National Security, nor of those in charge to check the background of those who work in the tourism industry of Aruba.

<snipped>

[translated by Getagrip]
Posted by Getagrip at 10/17/2005 09:43:00 PM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/government-has-its-hand-over-michael.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 25, 2012, 03:49:59 PM
Personally, I don't believe there is an Aruban "powers that be" long arm conspiracy at work in Peru trying to get Joran's sentence reduced and him sent to the NL/Aruba correctional system.  If there were, Joran would not have received a sentence of 28 years.  It's easier to prevent it in the first place than to have it reduced on appeal.

Joran received preferential treatment in Aruba after NAH b/c of who Paulus knew, and Aruba's own greed.  He was allowed in the casinos & bars in Aruba, just like all the other kids we saw. And that is b/c ALE didn't care enough to enforce their own laws.  Why go after small fry when they weren't even going after the bigger fish either? Besides, the kids furthered the economy.  If mob money was behind AHATA it was only to protect their own interests, the casinos, not Joran.

Now, Paulus is dead.  Aruba is trying to move on.  The world is aware of what Joran did in Aruba, the NL, Thailand, USA & Peru.  From what I've read, neither the Dutch or Arubans want Joran anymore. Joran is a notorious and self-admitted liar and killer, so why would anyone believe anything that comes out of his mouth now.  As far as I'm concerned, Joran can spill the beans on everyone, and no one would believe him anymore, except for his sycophants. And they are showing themselves as looking pretty ridiculous ala Mary Hamer and John Ludwick. Even Jorans own mother is distancing herself with name changes and apologies.

Joran is in a tough spot, with nobody but fools to help him.  He's desperate and grasping at straws.  Using his confession as a basis for his appeal after trying to have it thrown out is like trying to have his cake and eat it too. I don't believe his appeal will be upheld. I also believe it is also a delay tactic stalling his extradition to the US.

I wouldn't be surprised if Tacopina refused to represent him when Joran comes to face the federal charges in AL.  But then Tacopina seems to love the notoriety involved in representing POS's that other attorneys wouldn't touch.

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 25, 2012, 03:55:18 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-health-deteriorates-maximum-security-prison

Joran Van Der Sloot's Health Deteriorates After Being Moved To Maximum Security Prison
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 @ 11:30AM 
By Debbie Emery - Radar Reporter

Joran van der Sloot is no stranger to life in jail but his new home is a far cry from the luxuries he had grown used to during his 18 months at Lima's Castro Castro prison.

After he was sentenced to 28 years on January 13 for the May 2010 murder of Stephany Flores, van der Sloot was transferred to the high security facility of Piedras Gordas in northern Lima in response to criticism that his living conditions were too comfortable, and RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal that since the move his health has been in a downward spiral.

PHOTOS: Inside Piedras Gordas Prison

"His health has suffered and he is not doing well there," an insider exclusively told RadarOnline.com. "Joran blames the food and the water, he says that he is depressed and feeling weak all the time."

During his time at Castro Castro, the 24-year-old Dutchman enjoyed such perks as access to books, money, calling cards, internet access - and even conjugal visits.

 ::snipping2::



Do you hear violins playing?

I don't. 

When is Joran going to realize that he is in prison being punished for his actions? Or maybe this is his way to try to obtain a new "guardian angel" patsy?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 25, 2012, 04:08:08 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Joran just made 3 posts on his Facebook page...

Not much activity on wall, is everyone in prison?
Like · · 35 minutes ago ·

How can he be posting unless he got his $1000 cell phone? Or maybe this isn't really Joran at all.

 ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 25, 2012, 04:15:51 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-health-deteriorates-maximum-security-prison

Joran Van Der Sloot's Health Deteriorates After Being Moved To Maximum Security Prison
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 @ 11:30AM 
By Debbie Emery - Radar Reporter

Joran van der Sloot is no stranger to life in jail but his new home is a far cry from the luxuries he had grown used to during his 18 months at Lima's Castro Castro prison.

After he was sentenced to 28 years on January 13 for the May 2010 murder of Stephany Flores, van der Sloot was transferred to the high security facility of Piedras Gordas in northern Lima in response to criticism that his living conditions were too comfortable, and RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal that since the move his health has been in a downward spiral.

PHOTOS: Inside Piedras Gordas Prison

"His health has suffered and he is not doing well there," an insider exclusively told RadarOnline.com. "Joran blames the food and the water, he says that he is depressed and feeling weak all the time."

During his time at Castro Castro, the 24-year-old Dutchman enjoyed such perks as access to books, money, calling cards, internet access - and even conjugal visits.

 ::snipping2::



Maybe Joran is finally starting to feel like he's really in prison.  That, and maybe he's having withdrawal symptoms from not being able to access illegal drugs. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 25, 2012, 04:35:47 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-health-deteriorates-maximum-security-prison

Joran Van Der Sloot's Health Deteriorates After Being Moved To Maximum Security Prison
 ::snipping2::

Things have gone from bad to worse since he was moved to Piedras Gordas, a 161,458 square foot maximum security detention center located in a barren desert-like area of Peru, 18 miles from Lima.

It is considered one of the harshest places in the Peruvian penal system, but van der Sloot worries that things could get even more extreme for him if he is sent to the notorious Challapalca Prison, in the cold and inhospitable area of Tacna.

In 2002, a special investigation into the violation of human rights resulted in a report that recommended to the Peruvian State that “the prisons at Challapalca and Yanamayo be deemed unfit to serve that purpose, and that the personnel detained at those prisons be transferred to other prisons.”

Joran's lawyer, Jose Luis Jimenez, is currently fighting to make sure that his client doesn't end his days in the frozen hell hole, and has filed an appeal against his sentence.


~~~~~

Is Joran getting sick another ploy to avoid being sent to Challapalca?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2012, 04:44:03 PM
ARUBA'S UNDERGROUND ECONOMY

Paulus van der Sloot's Involvment?

Why was Paulus van der Sloot captured on security video at a gambling table with Joran and Natalee at a time when he claimed he had already left the Excelsior casino.  It is not Paulus sitting at the gambling table that causes inquiring minds to speculate ... it is Paulus' denial that he was there ... it is Michael Posner's outrage at ABC's public release of the video clip.

Janet

++++++


THE LIE

Paulus van der Sloot - Witness Statement - June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home. My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier. We had agreed that he would call me after the tournament, in order for me to come and pick him up. He did indeed call me and at approximately 23.00 hour I picked him up near the Mc Donalds in Palm Beach with my red Suzuki.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=237.0


THE CASINO SECURITY VIDEO CLIP

Michael Posner Upset over Excelsior casino Security Tapes to ABC

Posted February 25, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/02/25/michael-posner-upset-over-excelsior-casino-security-tapes-to-abc/


DANA PRETZER - December 14, 2006

Dana: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

Jossy Mansur: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/14/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-14th-2006-jossy-mansur/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Sept. 19th
updated 6:33 a.m. PT, Tues., Sept. 20, 2005


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006


<snipped>

COSBY … John, first of all, is there a possibility that Paulus might have been talking to Natalee the night that she disappeared?

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.

COSBY: And did he ever say that he had talked to Natalee or not before?

KELLY: No, it’s never even been addressed before whether or not that’s Paulus in the videotape there sitting next to her. And it certainly appears to be to me.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/

 
Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005


After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 25, 2012, 04:55:04 PM
http://anitavandersloot.weebly.com/index.html

Anita's website  ::MonkeyNoNo::



 ::MonkeyEek::

I like art. I love glass. Always have. Some of those beads are beautiful, And no, I will not be
ordering any of her stuff. I am surprised that I can look at her " stuff " and see some beauty in it, that I don't see in anything about her person, her family: dead, alive, overweight with issues, in prison in her art. Don't kill me.
She must be trying to focus her attention back to her art as a form of therapy for herself. There is nothing she can do to save Joran, there is nothing that anyone can do to save him. He could of tried to save himself, but he didn't, in fact he had way too many enablers along the way so that he didn't face any consequences early in life, no need to change when you have had the family and everyone around him fawning over him and making excuses and blaming other peple, like Natalee, Beth for Joran's problems.
.........
I have a young grandaughter, if she ever started acting out like Joran did when he was 14, well, I would like to have her shipped to Janet for boot camp.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2012, 05:02:33 PM
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Joran just made 3 posts on his Facebook page...

Not much activity on wall, is everyone in prison?
Like · · 35 minutes ago ·

How can he be posting unless he got his $1000 cell phone? Or maybe this isn't really Joran at all.

 ::boxingjoran::

Somehow I believe that at Piedras Gordas Prison ... Joran van der Sloot will continue to receive perks reserved for those who have advocates in high places.

When all is said and done ... at this moment in time ... Joran does not have his freedom and ... that is a very good thing.  Other Natalees and Stephanys are not at risk.

Janet

+++++

Piedras Gordas Prison

Peru Court Sentences Van Der Sloot to 28 Years
LIMA, Peru January 13, 2012 (AP)


<snipped>

Late Friday, prison authorities told the AP that Van der Sloot had been transferred to the high-security Piedras Gordas prison in northern Lima in response to reports that he had enjoyed privileges like television, internet access and a cell phone in Castro Castro prison. Piedras Gordas holds local crime bosses and terrorism convicts, including Shining Path guerrillas.

"He will be in an individual cell at Piedras Gordas to give authorities greater control of him and cut off some of the facilities he has had in Castro Castro," said prison service spokeswoman Janeth Sanchez.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/court-sentence-van-der-sloot-murder-15354004


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 25, 2012, 05:10:40 PM
I really, really hope Joran is doing time in prison , like he should be.  However, money can be a big enticement for poorly paid guards.  Joran may have to pay more (a LOT more than he paid at the old prison) for niceties, but I'll bet it happens.  


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 25, 2012, 05:30:12 PM
I really, really hope Joran is doing time in prison , like he should be.  However, money can be a big enticement for poorly paid guards.  Joran may have to pay more (a LOT more than he paid at the old prison) for niceties, but I'll bet it happens.  

I agree that money can buy perks.  That's a well known problem within prisons.  We also know that Joran withdrew at least $500 on the day he went to the new prison.

I doubt that bribes from prisoners for perks is only limited to prisoners with friends in high places.  Money talks.

Whatever will Joran do when the gravy train via Mary Hamer dries up? Sounds like he's already trying to find a replacement sucker since he started having troubles with Auntie Mary.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 25, 2012, 05:56:11 PM
Evidently there are 2 Piedras Gordas prisons in Peru. An old one and a new one. Supposedly Joran is at the old one.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120123185745AAy27yC

These links will take you to some pics of what is supposed to be the old one.

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/162546/2012/01/inside-piedras-gordas-prison

http://gaddafi.freesmfhosting.com/index.php?topic=58.0

I like the pic of the steel door.  I hope there is such a door on the unit in which Joran is staying!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2012, 06:29:08 PM
It cannot be forgotten that Joran's attorney considered the prosecutor's charges a "big win" ... the prosecutor's charges that did not dictate a life sentence.  Jimenez fully comprehended that a 30 year sentence translated into a 10 year sentence.

It must not be forgotten that the family attorney appealed the prosecutor's charges.  Ricardo Flores believe that the brutal murder of his daughter was worthy of a life sentence.

Were the prosecutor's charges an outcome of a negotiated deal with Aruba/Holland that happened behind the scenes ... a negotiated deal attempting to appease Joran as well as pacify Stephany's family ... the Peruvians ... the court of public opinion?

Maybe ... Ricardo Flores will reveal at a later date what he planned on exposing at press conference on January 16th.

Janet

++++++

Joran's Attorney   

Date set for van der Sloot murder trial
Published: 9:44 am
Updated: 10:12 am


<snipped>

In September, the victim's family asked a three-judge panel for a more stringent charge akin to aggravated murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison, but the panel of judges ruled on the prosecution's side.

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro told CNN'S In Session this was a big win for his client. If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Date-set-for-van-der-Sloot-murder-trial/J1Yl6nagmkmRXf0qcfRMXA.cspx


Family Attorney

Hearing for Van der Sloot held in Peru
12:01 PM, Sep 12, 2011


<snipped>

Alvarez said there were also some discrepancies with the evidence presented in the case and the official charges of voluntary manslaughter.

"We have said there are inconsistencies in the prosecution's account and its accusations, between the evidence it uses and what it is asking for.  These inconsistencies could bring about negative consequences at trial because it could result in a mistrial," Alvarez said.

<snipped>

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/article/172815/288/Hearing-for-Van-der-Sloot-held-in-Peru


Stephany's Father

Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST

 
<snipped>

After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

“Mr. Flores wants peace for his family. The damage is done and it is beyond repair,” he continued.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;topic=12557.260;num_replies=274

s.t.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 25, 2012, 07:34:30 PM
http://books.google.com/books?id=O5rs8UkMj64C&pg=PA2703&lpg=PA2703&dq=bribery+at+Piedras+Gordas+Prison&source=bl&ots=6A3db6Vp4B&sig=1nPoqQ1uA6bcuy2u_4vtXG3c-6o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TZUgT4C6OsyRgQfsiMDZCA&sqi=2&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=bribery%20at%20Piedras%20Gordas%20Prison&f=false


Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2007

(It won't let me copy and paste.)

on page 2703 - Scroll down to Prison and Detention Center Conditions -

Here is some I rewrote:

 ::snipping2::
Prison conditions were harsh.  Prisoners with money had access to cell phones, illicit drugs, and meals prepared outside the prison.* But conditions were poor to extremely harsh in all facilities for prisoners lacking funds.  Overcrowding, poor sanitation, and inadequate nutrition and health care were serious problems.  Inmates had intermittent access to running water; bathing facilities were inadequate; kitchen facilities were unhygienic; and prisoners slept in hallways and common areas for lack of cell space***.  Illegal drugs were available in many prisons, and tuberculosis and HIV/AIDS were reportedly at near epidemic levels. Prison authorities budgeted approximately $1.00 (3.00 soles) per prisoner per day for food.
 ::snipping2::

Conditions were especially harsh in maximum-security facilities located at high altitudes**
 ::snipping2::

Prison guards and fellow inmates routinely abused prisoners.  There were deaths of inmates in prisons, most attributed to fellow inmates but some due to negligence by guards. Guards received little or no training or supervision. ***
 ::snipping2::

~~~~~~

*So, prisoners with money have it easier.

**No wonder Joran doesn't want to go to prison in Peru's Siberia.

***Seems that Joran can only be kept safe if he remains in solitaire.






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 25, 2012, 08:07:21 PM
This report is about the prison that Joran's lawyer Jiminez is trying to keep Joran from being sent to:

SPECIAL REPORT ON THE HUMAN RIGHTS SITUATION AT THE CHALLAPALCA PRISON, DEPARTMENT OF TACNA, REPUBLIC OF PERU Note - the report is from 2002

http://www.cidh.oas.org/countryrep/challapalca.eng/report.htm

 ::snipping2::

          25.     There is no regular electricity or running water. The prison has an electrical generator that operates from 5:00 p.m. to 5:00 a..m. for the outside areas, and until 9:00 p.m. for the cells.  Water for human consumption in the prison is drawn from a well located approximately one kilometer away.

 
          26.     The temperatures recorded most of the year are from 8 to 9 degrees Celsius in the day, and dropping sharply through the late afternoon and evening, to minus 20 degrees Celsius, with a steady icy wind that sharpens and worsens the effects of the altitude, especially as of June, when the winter begins.[15]


          28.     The security of the prison is guaranteed by 51 INPE guards who work in three-month shifts, as does the director; they are then transferred to other prisons.  It was indicated that the staff should receive an additional economic incentive to accept working at the prison, due to the poor conditions and the remote location. It was also reported that it had been some time since they had been paid such incentive pay, due to the lack of resources.
 ::snipping2::


          38.     Despite the difficult conditions, due to the temperature, the Commission found that the cells and corridors have no heating, and that the prisoners are prohibited from having portable stoves or heaters in their cells. The corridors and cells are extremely cold, and this becomes more intense with the continuing currents of cold wind that penetrate through the skylights or windows located on the upper part of the walls that run from the corridor to the yards of the pavilions, which do not have glass and over which they are not allowed to place any kind of protection from the excessive cold.  Some cells also have leaks of water in the walls and floors that makes them humid, as they lack ventilation.

 

          39.     The cells have no electricity. The little bit of artificial light is tenuous and is in the corridors, according to the administration and the prisoners, and is only turned on at nightfall; soon thereafter it is turned off.  The prisoners have no opportunity whatsoever to read or study once they are locked in the cells.

 

          40.     Each cell has a latrine attached to the floor, and a small raised deposit of water at room temperature for drainage and personal hygiene, without any mechanism to dispense it, such as a tap or shower.

 

          41.     The Commission was able to verify that the low temperatures are so severe that inside one of the pavilions there were three blocks of ice of considerable size, still solid, which according to the prisoners had been drawn from the internal drainpipes of the building two weeks earlier
 ::snipping2::

          44.     Most of the prisoners interviewed indicated that personal hygiene cannot be practiced every day because the water is so cold; they only bathe twice weekly.  In addition, they indicated that they do not receive the articles they need to wash their clothes, the cells, toilets, and other places in the pavilions. It was further established that the water for personal hygiene is drawn from the Maure river, which passes near the prison, and used directly, without any treatment.
 ::snipping2::

          51.     The prison administration reported that the prisoners were given food three times a day, with a balanced and varied diet in keeping with the possibilities and budget of 2.50 soles (approximately US$ 0.60) daily per inmate.  In other reports of the Office of the Ombudsman, and in comments by some inmates, it was indicated that the daily amount allocated per prisoner was 3.50 soles (approximately US$ 1.00).[17]

 

          52.     The prisoners stated that the food was of fair quality, without much variety; that there was no possibility of them improving it by having their own kitchens, or of getting a special diet for those in need of it for health reasons.

 

          53.     They also indicated that the water for human consumption was not potable, as a result of which they had repeated gastric problems.  The Commission was able to verify the insufficient treatment of the water, as it is drawn from a well a considerable distance from the prison, taken in a tin tank, then has chlorine pills placed in it, and one liter daily is distributed to the prisoners in pots, plastic containers, or bottles.
 ::snipping2::

          56.     The prisoners have no possibility of doing physical exercise, or practicing any sport, or having any kind of open-air recreation.  They can only take sun or walk in the internal yard of each pavilion.

 

          57.     The Commission determines that the Challapalca Prison does not have the facilities for performing physical activities and sports for the well-being and re-socialization of the persons held there.
 ::snipping2::

          61.     One of the prisoners’ complaints in this respect is that the medical service does not have the appropriate medicines for diseases that require some treatment and special medication.  They also noted that the affections most commonly encountered are gastric infections, herpes, headaches, respiratory problems, ophthalmological problems, the vast majority of which are caused by the altitude, and are not properly addressed, since in some cases they require a diagnosis, adequate medicines, or more specialized care.

 

          62.     Oxygen in the body diminishes as altitude increases, bringing on acute mountain sickness commonly known as soroche, which may be mild to severe. In addition to acute mountain sickness is chronic soroche, or enfermedad de monge, which has the following symptomatic picture:

 

This disease is characterized by the presence of neuropsychic symptoms such as the lack of mental concentration, difficulty sleeping well, headaches, buzzing in the ears, fatigue, changes in the character and memory, and certain difficulties in movement. In addition, there may be problems at other levels, such as in the locomotor, circulatory, digestive, and endocrine systems, which, when compromised, may substantially reduce physical and mental performance. High red blood cell counts is always a clear sign of the affection.[18]
 ::snipping2::

          73.     The solitary confinement cells, also called “environments for reflection,” were visited; it was noted that they have no ventilation or the minimum hygienic conditions for those who are kept there.  The administration reported that solitary confinement was never imposed for more than 45 days, yet the Commission saw that one prisoner had remained in solitary confinement from the date he was taken to the prison, in September 2001, to the date of the visit.[23]

 

          74.     The prison administration recognized in an investigation undertaken in response to a writ of habeas corpus, that in effect these prisoners had been placed in solitary confinement out of security considerations.[24]
 ::snipping2::

          92.     Due to the prison’s geographic location, there is practically no access to the communications media. Radio and television signals are not picked up. No magazines or newspapers come in.  There are rooms in the pavilions for libraries, but they are empty. The total incommunication with the outside world is redeemed only by the visits of some family members who bring them news about what is going on outside.
 ::snipping2::


~~~~

Wow!  This place sounds like the perfect place for Joran to spend his 28 years!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: wreck on January 25, 2012, 08:07:50 PM
It cannot be forgotten that Joran's attorney considered the prosecutor's charges a "big win" ... the prosecutor's charges that did not dictate a life sentence.  Jimenez fully comprehended that a 30 year sentence translated into a 10 year sentence.

It must not be forgotten that the family attorney appealed the prosecutor's charges.  Ricardo Flores believe that the brutal murder of his daughter was worthy of a life sentence.

Were the prosecutor's charges an outcome of a negotiated deal with Aruba/Holland that happened behind the scenes ... a negotiated deal attempting to appease Joran as well as pacify Stephany's family ... the Peruvians ... the court of public opinion?

Maybe ... Ricardo Flores will reveal at a later date what he planned on exposing at press conference on January 16th.

Janet

++++++

Joran's Attorney   

Date set for van der Sloot murder trial
Published: 9:44 am
Updated: 10:12 am


<snipped>

In September, the victim's family asked a three-judge panel for a more stringent charge akin to aggravated murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison, but the panel of judges ruled on the prosecution's side.

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro told CNN'S In Session this was a big win for his client. If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Date-set-for-van-der-Sloot-murder-trial/J1Yl6nagmkmRXf0qcfRMXA.cspx


Family Attorney

Hearing for Van der Sloot held in Peru
12:01 PM, Sep 12, 2011


<snipped>

Alvarez said there were also some discrepancies with the evidence presented in the case and the official charges of voluntary manslaughter.

"We have said there are inconsistencies in the prosecution's account and its accusations, between the evidence it uses and what it is asking for.  These inconsistencies could bring about negative consequences at trial because it could result in a mistrial," Alvarez said.

<snipped>

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/article/172815/288/Hearing-for-Van-der-Sloot-held-in-Peru


Stephany's Father

Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST

 
<snipped>

After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

“Mr. Flores wants peace for his family. The damage is done and it is beyond repair,” he continued.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;topic=12557.260;num_replies=274

s.t.


Other than bringing this up constantly.......................................... just what do you think allows Aruba (or Holland) to have ANY influence on what happens in Peru or Peru's justice system??????????????  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 25, 2012, 08:21:20 PM
2009 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - Peru


http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,USDOS,,PER,4b9e52cb8c,0.html

Basically unchanged from the 2007 report I posted.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2012, 08:24:20 PM
He thinks it's all a game, to get publicity for himself?

Sickening!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


https://www.facebook.com/PerezHilton/posts/320352968009431

https://www.facebook.com/PerezHilton/posts/318232921554769


https://www.facebook.com/PerezHilton?sk=wall

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/01252012_LoserLudwick01.png)

John Ludwick
Hey im the guy you say nancy grace ripped. cuz i defend my friend Joran van der Sloot. you went to rip me on your website too i saw. so dont hide, im more than willing to discuss the case with you. You want to break some news? lets start with natalee
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John Ludwick
All i id is stand up for my best friend, anybody would. and that split second can ruin your life, so hopfully with good time and work credit he leaves Peru in 10 yrs But as far as my knowledge in Natalee its the only card i havent revealed
Like ·  · Sunday at 2:26am

:smt021   :smt075   :smt021


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2012, 08:33:12 PM
He's got a card he hasn't revealed?   ::MonkeyRoll::

That guy's not playing with a full deck!   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Joran probably only acted like he was his friend to get money to gamble with, but John still considers him his best friend.  Pathetic....really.

But I guess none of his other friends were notorious murderers that got him on TV for a few minutes.

What a claim to fame!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Don't you know his family's proud.   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2012, 08:42:43 PM
Until the truth is revealed ... I am just speculating.

Since Joran van der Sloot was detained in Peru ... Ricardo Flores has been complaining about "excessive" privileges given Joran.  Considering Joran arrived at the prison broke ... where was the funds/pressure that afforded these "excessive" privileges from the "first day"  originating.

jamcakes cites a document "Prisoners with money had access to cell phones, illicit drugs, and meals prepared outside the prison.*  It does appear that an inmate suspected in the brutal murder of a Peruvian citizen was bestowed with so much more.

Janet

++++

Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM


<snipped>

The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.

"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.

<snipped>

http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html


Van der Sloot arrives at Lima police headquarters
June 6, 2010 -- Updated 1916 GMT (0316 HKT)


<snipped>

The Dutch Consulate is now involved in the case and has volunteered a defense attorney for van der Sloot, according to Carlos Neyra, a spokesman for the Peruvian Investigative Police.

The Dutch Consulate has told Peruvian authorities that it is not comfortable with the way van der Sloot has been presented to the media, Neyra said. The Peruvian Minister of the Interior is asking authorities not to talk about the case without his authorization.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/05/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T2


What to do if you are arrested abroad

Complaints about detention

Do you have any complaints about the conditions or your treatment in prison? Every prison has a complaints procedure. First, report your complaint to the prison. If that doesn’t help, discuss your complaint with the embassy.

The embassy or consulate can only complain to the prison on your behalf if you are being treated worse than your fellow inmates. If that is the case, the embassy will – after discussions with you – insist that you be treated humanely. If your human rights are being violated – for instance, if you are being tortured – the Netherlands will hold the country detaining you responsible.

<snipped>

http://lebanon.nlembassy.org/services/emergencies/emergencies/minbuza%3Ashare/what-to-do-if-you-are-arrested-abroad.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2012, 08:47:03 PM

Dutch Embassy - Peru

Official: Van der Sloot confesses to Peru slaying
updated 6/8/2010 11:17:34 AM ET


<snipped>
 
Dutch Embassy chief consular officer Angela Lowe said her government was providing van der Sloot with "regular consular assistance, which means an occasional consular visit, and we will make sure he is being treated decently, just like any other inmate."  She said Peruvian authorities have assured the Dutch government they are treating him well. "They are taking this case very seriously," she added. "The world is watching."

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37542848/ns/world_news-americas/t/official-van-der-sloot-confesses-peru-slaying/


Dutch Embassy - Chile

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Van Der Sloot Captured on Murder Charge
Aired June 3, 2010 - 19:00:00   ET


<snipped>

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Vinda De Sousa is on the line. She is the Aruban attorney for Natalee Holloway`s dad, Dave.  Vinda, we have just learned that a delegation from the Dutch embassy visited Joran minutes ago in a Chilean jail. ...

OK. What are your thoughts of the fact that the Dutch embassy visited him in jail in Chile?

DE SOUSA: Well, you know, that`s -- that`s not unusual. Whenever a Dutch citizen is jailed abroad, either the embassy or the consul general will visit the person detained or in custody, being a Dutch citizen, to offer assistance, it`s part of the Dutch policy.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/03/ijvm.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 25, 2012, 08:49:27 PM
He's got a card he hasn't revealed?   ::MonkeyRoll::

That guy's not playing with a full deck!   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Joran probably only acted like he was his friend to get money to gamble with, but John still considers him his best friend.  Pathetic....really.

But I guess none of his other friends were notorious murderers that got him on TV for a few minutes.

What a claim to fame!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Don't you know his family's proud.   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



The card John Ludwick has is probable just another one of Joran's made up stories.  Go ahead and play it John - why wait?

Joran called John asking him for money on John's birthday which was right before Joran killed Stephany.

Also of note, John has said that Joran was very generous with his money, buying food and drinks for John.  They supposedly met in Aruba right before Paulus's funeral which was in mid Feb.  And Joran would trust him with the truth about Natalee?  And they became best friends in only a few months, so much so that John would get on national TV and make a fool of himself defending Jorans right to kill Stephany.  LOL. 

Both are/were pathetic losers desperate for a friend.  They deserve each other!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2012, 08:50:51 PM
Steph Watts is John Ludwick's facebook friend.

Maybe John should tune in to Steph's new show!    ::MonkeyWink::


https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=762617564&ref=pb

Steph Watts
January 17 near Manhattan, NY
FIRST DAY ON MY NEW SHOW "I MURDERED MY BFF"



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2012, 08:53:33 PM

carpe noctem
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #836 6/8/10 -
« Reply #916 on: June 10, 2010, 12:57:31 AM »


Those rusty Dutch buggers just can`t keep their hands off that boy, can they?

It`s built in to their DNA.

As was learned, the Dutchman would have the advice of a private lawyer had been hired by diplomats from the embassy.

http://www.ojo.com.pe/ojo/nota.php?txtSecci_id=25&txtNota_id=368861

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8078.msg1153576#msg1153576



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2012, 08:55:57 PM

Broke?

NANCY GRACE
Van Der Sloot Confession Transcript Released
Aired June 14, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Here is an e-mail exchange between you and Joran Van Der Sloot where he says, happy birthday, I hope you had a good day. This is May 29.

And remember how important family and friends are. By the way, can you send me some money through Western Union tomorrow? Remember that?

JOHN LUDWICK, FRIEND OF JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I do.

GRACE: Did you send him money?

LUDWICK: No, I didn`t. He had told me -- that was the evening of May 29th and I guess the alleged event happened later -- a few hours later into the 30th. But he told me he needed money to get back to Aruba. So, I mean, before I had a chance to help him out, I couldn`t get ahold of him. And then the news said what it said.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/14/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 25, 2012, 08:58:16 PM
He's got a card he hasn't revealed?   ::MonkeyRoll::

That guy's not playing with a full deck!   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Joran probably only acted like he was his friend to get money to gamble with, but John still considers him his best friend.  Pathetic....really.

But I guess none of his other friends were notorious murderers that got him on TV for a few minutes.

What a claim to fame!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Don't you know his family's proud.   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::





 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

John doesn't have any other friends. Sock puppets do not COUNT! ( Why hellooooo Lamb Chop! ::HelloKitty:: )

He is sad. ... and in his writing he actually admits that he has ruined his own life.

He pretends to hold a card that will unlock Natalee's case... and of course, he has nothing.

Notice how he stresses how Joran was his BEST friend. ha ha haaaaaa

He probably ran into him one time at a 7-11. What a homer. Yeah, me and Joran go way back... to March or something.

Ludwick >>>> Get A LIFE, please!!!!!!!!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: klaasend on January 25, 2012, 09:04:45 PM
He thinks it's all a game, to get publicity for himself?

Sickening!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


https://www.facebook.com/PerezHilton/posts/320352968009431

https://www.facebook.com/PerezHilton/posts/318232921554769


https://www.facebook.com/PerezHilton?sk=wall

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/01252012_LoserLudwick01.png)

John Ludwick
Hey im the guy you say nancy grace ripped. cuz i defend my friend Joran van der Sloot. you went to rip me on your website too i saw. so dont hide, im more than willing to discuss the case with you. You want to break some news? lets start with natalee
Like ·  · 20 hours ago ·
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John Ludwick
All i id is stand up for my best friend, anybody would. and that split second can ruin your life, so hopfully with good time and work credit he leaves Peru in 10 yrs But as far as my knowledge in Natalee its the only card i havent revealed
Like ·  · Sunday at 2:26am

:smt021   :smt075   :smt021

Maybe the FBI should take a closer look at this dipshit loser (sorry no other way to describe this fool)

He's to Joran what Forrester is to Robyn (total user/loser, IMO)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2012, 09:14:38 PM
He's got a card he hasn't revealed?   ::MonkeyRoll::

That guy's not playing with a full deck!   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Joran probably only acted like he was his friend to get money to gamble with, but John still considers him his best friend.  Pathetic....really.

But I guess none of his other friends were notorious murderers that got him on TV for a few minutes.

What a claim to fame!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Don't you know his family's proud.   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::





 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

John doesn't have any other friends. Sock puppets do not COUNT! ( Why hellooooo Lamb Chop! ::HelloKitty:: )

He is sad. ... and in his writing he actually admits that he has ruined his own life.

He pretends to hold a card that will unlock Natalee's case... and of course, he has nothing.

Notice how he stresses how Joran was his BEST friend. ha ha haaaaaa

He probably ran into him one time at a 7-11. What a homer. Yeah, me and Joran go way back... to March or something.

Ludwick >>>> Get A LIFE, please!!!!!!!!



 ::MonkeyCool::

Him and Joran both were "one toke over the line"...at hello.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2012, 09:18:32 PM
He thinks it's all a game, to get publicity for himself?

Sickening!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


https://www.facebook.com/PerezHilton/posts/320352968009431

https://www.facebook.com/PerezHilton/posts/318232921554769


https://www.facebook.com/PerezHilton?sk=wall

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/01252012_LoserLudwick01.png)

John Ludwick
Hey im the guy you say nancy grace ripped. cuz i defend my friend Joran van der Sloot. you went to rip me on your website too i saw. so dont hide, im more than willing to discuss the case with you. You want to break some news? lets start with natalee
Like ·  · 20 hours ago ·
Katarina Canales likes this.

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John Ludwick
All i id is stand up for my best friend, anybody would. and that split second can ruin your life, so hopfully with good time and work credit he leaves Peru in 10 yrs But as far as my knowledge in Natalee its the only card i havent revealed
Like ·  · Sunday at 2:26am

:smt021   :smt075   :smt021

Maybe the FBI should take a closer look at this dipshit loser (sorry no other way to describe this fool)

He's to Joran what Forrester is to Robyn (total user/loser, IMO)

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 25, 2012, 09:27:03 PM
After killing Stephany and fleeing to Chile, Interpol put out an international arrest warrant for him.

Chile expelled Joran to avoid the slower, costlier, appealable extradition process.

Peru took this dangerous international criminal and allowed him his rights of having the Dutch consulate to facilitate a lawyer for him, and having an interpreter at his "confession".  Peru had to treat this notorious prisoner with kid gloves otherwise some slick lawyer would claim Joran's rights had been violated. This does not mean that Peru had to bow and makes deals with Aruba and/or the NL with regards to how Peru should treat their prisoner.  Recognizing that Joran was a security risk, Peru kept Joran isolated to protect him.  Who knows who all sent Joran money and/or when prior to or in conjunction with Mary Hamer. 

Mr Flores speaks of Joran's excessive privileges since day 1.  Maybe "day 1" is a loose interpretation of "from the beginning"  or "early on". For a grieving father who lost his daughter to such a monster as Joran who got away with it before, any privilege, even being kept in solitaire for security reasons, is one privilege too many. Joran didn't give Stephany any dispensation or privileges, he took EVERYTHING away from her.

There is no long arm from Aruba or the NL protecting Joran, or making behind the scene deals on his behalf.  Joran is just being afforded protection and decency lest he claim civil rights violations.  Peru is being careful b/c they want him behind bars for a long time.  And they want to send him to Challapacca.  Any other privileges Joran has, he has had to buy.

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: wreck on January 25, 2012, 11:22:33 PM
After killing Stephany and fleeing to Chile, Interpol put out an international arrest warrant for him.

Chile expelled Joran to avoid the slower, costlier, appealable extradition process.

Peru took this dangerous international criminal and allowed him his rights of having the Dutch consulate to facilitate a lawyer for him, and having an interpreter at his "confession".  Peru had to treat this notorious prisoner with kid gloves otherwise some slick lawyer would claim Joran's rights had been violated. This does not mean that Peru had to bow and makes deals with Aruba and/or the NL with regards to how Peru should treat their prisoner.  Recognizing that Joran was a security risk, Peru kept Joran isolated to protect him.  Who knows who all sent Joran money and/or when prior to or in conjunction with Mary Hamer. 

Mr Flores speaks of Joran's excessive privileges since day 1.  Maybe "day 1" is a loose interpretation of "from the beginning"  or "early on". For a grieving father who lost his daughter to such a monster as Joran who got away with it before, any privilege, even being kept in solitaire for security reasons, is one privilege too many. Joran didn't give Stephany any dispensation or privileges, he took EVERYTHING away from her.

There is no long arm from Aruba or the NL protecting Joran, or making behind the scene deals on his behalf.  Joran is just being afforded protection and decency lest he claim civil rights violations.  Peru is being careful b/c they want him behind bars for a long time.  And they want to send him to Challapacca.  Any other privileges Joran has, he has had to buy.

jmo

Totally agree!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Judge Mental on January 25, 2012, 11:50:54 PM


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

John doesn't have any other friends. Sock puppets do not COUNT! ( Why hellooooo Lamb Chop! ::HelloKitty:: )

He is sad. ... and in his writing he actually admits that he has ruined his own life.

He pretends to hold a card that will unlock Natalee's case... and of course, he has nothing.

Notice how he stresses how Joran was his BEST friend. ha ha haaaaaa

He probably ran into him one time at a 7-11. What a homer. Yeah, me and Joran go way back... to March or something.

Ludwick >>>> Get A LIFE, please!!!!!!!!




C'mon... give the guy a little more credit.  It was a gas station!  LOL!!





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 26, 2012, 12:18:53 AM
http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/42398-qsentencia-di-joran-van-der-sloot-no-lo-cambiaq.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2012.jan.25.joran.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

"sentencia of joran van der sloot not will cambia"

wednesday, 25 january 2012 13:35

corte supremo peruvian cu have to evalua the peticion for declara the sentencia of joran nulo, probably will bay declara the sentencia here valido. this, according the experto of derecho penal peruvian, giovanna gismondi. the is of opinion cu not have sufficient base for change the veredicto cu owing to sentencia joran at 28 year of jail. corte supremo have three opcion: can declara the sentencia nulo, can adapta the sentencia or declara this because; valido.

josé jiménez navarro, the advocate of joran, owing to anuncia week happen cu his cliente wanted try let declara the sentencia nulo. monday ultimo, the advocate owing to let know in prensa peruvian cu now his aim is for succeed one sentencia more downstairs. the advocate owing to stay desapunta after of the sentencia of his cliente of some day happen. past owing to wait for one sentencia more downstairs, mirando cu joran owing to declara his self culpabel y always owing to colabora cu the investigacion. corte not owing to give mucho value at this at instant cu owing to determina the castigo. besides, the advocate is achieve cu at none instant owing to balota the first confesion of joran.

corte supremo will evalua unicamente the sentencia can escrito. probably will come one sesion in cual joran his defence will achieve the posibilidad for elabora on the peticion. according jiménez, corte supremo will take one decision at april.

comentarionan (1) mustra/kita comentarionan come across...

scirbi for gotfather, january 25, 2012

they have to dune 280 ana (years) corda good the macamba (derogatory term for Dutch) ey owing to dana (damage, harm) name of aruba also


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 26, 2012, 12:30:45 AM

He probably ran into him one time at a 7-11. What a homer. Yeah, me and Joran go way back... to March or something.

C'mon... give the guy a little more credit.  It was a gas station!  LOL!!


And in the bathroom, no less!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 26, 2012, 12:43:35 AM
Maybe John wants in on the game Joran was playing, interviews for money. Where nothing is revealed that is true. Just a guess. Same type of low life.     


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 26, 2012, 03:21:54 AM
Me thinks Urine understands better than anyone that he must keep himself visible in the media, because if he doesn't keep the lights on, his will go dark. It's called survival. Once the lights fade away justice will come, but what do I know?


::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 26, 2012, 03:32:44 AM
::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: NickandNora on January 26, 2012, 04:29:28 AM

Maybe the FBI should take a closer look at this dipshit loser (sorry no other way to describe this fool)

He's to Joran what Forrester is to Robyn (total user/loser, IMO)

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 26, 2012, 07:14:28 AM
http://www.andina.com.pe/ingles/Noticia.aspx?id=5iygkT4lzq8=

Peru, Netherlands agree extradition treaty

Lima, May 14 (ANDINA). Peru and the Netherlands have agreed an extradition treaty which allows some Dutch prisoners in Peru and Peruvians jailed in the Netherlands to apply to complete their prison terms in their homeland once their appeal process has been completed.

Foreign Minister Uri Rosenthal and his Peruvian opposite number Jose Antonio Garcia Belaunde signed a treaty on the transfer of sentenced persons and the enforcement of criminal judgments on Thursday. "The treaty allows residents of the Kingdom of the Netherlands who have been sentenced to prison by final and irrevocable judgment in Peru" to serve their sentence in the Netherlands, said Rosenthal.

Peruvians who are in prison in the Netherlands are also entitled to invoke the treaty. Both countries are under obligation to grant a detainee's request. The treaty will enter into force as soon as both parliaments have approved it.

 ::snipping2::

The foreign ministry says there are currently 117 Dutch nationals in Peruvian prisons. In 113 cases, they have been convicted of a drugs offence.

~~~

I'm hoping that the word "SOME" is the operable word here, and that some refers to prisoners convicted of drug offenses and not murder charges.

Also of interest is that the prisoner has to have finished his appeals process, having a final & irrevocable sentence, then he can apply for the extradition and it is automatically accepted.  What the hell-o?

Please don't let it apply to convicted murderers, and if it does, please let the extradition to the US take precedent before the extradition to the NL.

Maybe this treaty is why Joran's lawyer is basing his appeal on the confession that they asked to be thrown out anyway.   ::MonkeyShocked::

I say, " Challapalca, Joran!"


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 26, 2012, 07:29:02 AM
http://www.nisnews.nl/public/140511_4.htm

Peru, Netherlands Agree Extradition Treaty

(Basically verbatim of the above posted article, except for the following:)

 ::snipping2::

Van der Sloot's case is not yet concluded. Depending on the sentence his client receives, his lawyer Maximo Altez does plan to make use of the new regulation.

Altez hopes that his client will be convicted of 'manslaughter by violence,' carrying a jail sentence of 3 to 5 years. "If he is given a sentence of five years, I will advise him to apply for the transfer to the Netherlands. If it is longer, we must look at this again separately."

~~~~~
Although, Altez is no longer Joran's lawyer, I wonder if this is part of Jiminez's plan.

Of note here is the convicted of "manslaughter by violence" phrase.  Hopefully since Joran was convicted of MURDER and not manslaughter, he isn't eligible for the treaty. Then Jiminez will have to fight to expand the treaty.

I say, "Challapalca, Joran!"


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 26, 2012, 08:11:28 AM
More on extradition

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/01/11/international/i074140S51.DTL&ao=all

 ::snipping2::

While the parents of Holloway and Flores want him to experience the greater deprivation of a U.S. prison, they will have to wait for him to serve his time before any extradition on U.S. charges related to his alleged extortion of Holloway's mother, a Peruvian legal expert said.

Late Friday, prison authorities told the AP that Van der Sloot had been transferred to the high-security Piedras Gordas prison in northern Lima in response to reports that he had enjoyed privileges like television, internet access and a cell phone in Castro Castro prison. Piedras Gordas holds local crime bosses and terrorism convicts, including Shining Path guerrillas.

"He will be in an individual cell at Piedras Gordas to give authorities greater control of him and cut off some of the facilities he has had in Castro Castro," said prison service spokeswoman Janeth Sanchez.

Earlier Friday, the three female judges showed no sign of believing his contrition for the May 2010 killing of Stephany Flores. Their sentence, which took a clerk nearly two hours to read as Van der Sloot repeatedly wiped sweat from his brow, said he was guilty of "first-degree murder with aggravating factors of ferocity and great cruelty."

 ::snipping2::

Peruvian criminal law expert Luis Lamas said Peru's legal code specifies that Van der Sloot serve his time before he can be extradited.**

But Ken Randall, dean of University of Alabama law school, said he believes Peru's extradition treaty with the United States would allow for Van der Sloot to be extradited to the U.S. to stand trial on the extortion and fraud charges before his sentence ends.

"In this extraordinary case of Natalee Holloway, Peru would be well advised to do so," he said.


 ::snipping2::

~~~~

Different reports from different media sources!

** I read that as applicable to the extradition to the US, not to the NL.






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 26, 2012, 08:51:13 AM
Me thinks Urine understands better than anyone that he must keep himself visible in the media, because if hee::e doesn't keep the lights on, his will go dark. It's called survival. Once the lights fade away justice will come, but what do I know?


::justice2NJ::

 ::rhino:: ::justice2NJ::  ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 26, 2012, 08:53:05 AM
http://www.andina.com.pe/ingles/Noticia.aspx?id=5iygkT4lzq8=

Peru, Netherlands agree extradition treaty

Lima, May 14 (ANDINA). Peru and the Netherlands have agreed an extradition treaty which allows some Dutch prisoners in Peru and Peruvians jailed in the Netherlands to apply to complete their prison terms in their homeland once their appeal process has been completed.

Foreign Minister Uri Rosenthal and his Peruvian opposite number Jose Antonio Garcia Belaunde signed a treaty on the transfer of sentenced persons and the enforcement of criminal judgments on Thursday. "The treaty allows residents of the Kingdom of the Netherlands who have been sentenced to prison by final and irrevocable judgment in Peru" to serve their sentence in the Netherlands, said Rosenthal.

Peruvians who are in prison in the Netherlands are also entitled to invoke the treaty. Both countries are under obligation to grant a detainee's request. The treaty will enter into force as soon as both parliaments have approved it.

 ::snipping2::

The foreign ministry says there are currently 117 Dutch nationals in Peruvian prisons. In 113 cases, they have been convicted of a drugs offence.

~~~

I'm hoping that the word "SOME" is the operable word here, and that some refers to prisoners convicted of drug offenses and not murder charges.

Also of interest is that the prisoner has to have finished his appeals process, having a final & irrevocable sentence, then he can apply for the extradition and it is automatically accepted.  What the hell-o?

Please don't let it apply to convicted murderers, and if it does, please let the extradition to the US take precedent before the extradition to the NL.

Maybe this treaty is why Joran's lawyer is basing his appeal on the confession that they asked to be thrown out anyway.   ::MonkeyShocked::

I say, " Challapalca, Joran!"

BBM

ITA  ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: San on January 26, 2012, 11:45:15 AM
Van der Sloot's health deteriorates after move to high security jail in Peru: report

NEWSCORE
Last Updated: 10:28 AM, January 26, 2012

LIMA -- Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot's health has deteriorated since he was moved to a high security prison in Peru, RadarOnline.com reported.

The Dutchman, who was jailed for 28 years for the 2010 murder of Peruvian woman Stephany Flores, was transferred to maximum security prison Piedras Gordas, in the north of capital Lima, following criticism that conditions at Lima's Castro Castro jail, where he spent 18 months, were too comfortable.

In contrast to Castro Castro, where van der Sloot reportedly bonded with inmates and guards and enjoyed perks such as conjugal visits and internet access, the 24 year old has been placed in solitary confinement at Piedras Gordas and has complained he feels ill and depressed.

"His health has suffered and he is not doing well there," a source told RadarOnline.com. "Joran blames the food and the water. He says that he is depressed and feeling weak all the time."

Mary Hamer, a Florida woman who pays the killer's legal bills, told the gossip site she was "very worried about his deteriorating health."


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/peru_report_sloot_health_deteriorates_WbfSdxA7ov3VkZli4D1gXN#ixzz1kaDr9kfS



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: San on January 26, 2012, 11:51:27 AM
Joran Van Der Sloot's Health Deteriorates After Being Moved To Maximum Security Prison

(http://www.radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/imagecache/350width/Joran-Van-Der-Sloot-Piedras-Gordas-prison-Peru.jpg)

By Debbie Emery - Radar Reporter

Joran van der Sloot is no stranger to life in jail but his new home is a far cry from the luxuries he had grown used to during his 18 months at Lima's Castro Castro prison.

After he was sentenced to 28 years on January 13 for the May 2010 murder of Stephany Flores, van der Sloot was transferred to the high security facility of Piedras Gordas in northern Lima in response to criticism that his living conditions were too comfortable, and RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal that since the move his health has been in a downward spiral.

 ::snipping2::

Read More:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-health-deteriorates-maximum-security-prison




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: San on January 26, 2012, 11:52:08 AM
My apologies if this info has been posted already.  I just happened to be reading at work and saw the article.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 26, 2012, 12:32:30 PM

(http://www.radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/imagecache/350width/Joran-Van-Der-Sloot-Piedras-Gordas-prison-Peru.jpg)


He sure is one fugly mo-fo!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 26, 2012, 12:35:32 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot's Health Deteriorates After Being Moved To Maximum Security Prison


I hope he already has one rip roaring case of rim rot!  Tee hee


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 26, 2012, 12:36:09 PM
My apologies if this info has been posted already.  I just happened to be reading at work and saw the article.

No worries, San.  I don't really mind  repeats of news of Joran suffering in prison  ::boxingjoran::  JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 26, 2012, 12:38:44 PM
My apologies if this info has been posted already.  I just happened to be reading at work and saw the article.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks San!!!

Quote
The radiologist from Lake City, Florida, who keeps in close contact with van der Sloot and pays his legal bills, has expressed concern in the past about his physical well-being.

"He was groggy, he was stumbling, he knocked over a glass of water, and he had a rash around his neck," she told RadarOnline.com after she visited him last December.


Awwwww.... ol' cabeza de gordo is suffering from a rash. Such a pity. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I wonder if that is covered under Mary's International law of Humanocide?

I will bake him some of my famous bird flu biscuits and ship them to him right away.

Natalee and Stephany suffered, Joran knows nothing of suffering. A rash! Such a candyazz.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 26, 2012, 01:12:33 PM
He does have a rash!

Ring around the collar, holmes. You sweat too much, like your pa. Some baby talc and a good ointment would clear that right up.

Cell phone - $1,000

Baby powder - $2.50

He was never good at making a decent priority list. >>>>>  ::boxingjoran:: el stoopie-do!


(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2012.jan.25.joran.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on January 26, 2012, 01:14:55 PM
My apologies if this info has been posted already.  I just happened to be reading at work and saw the article.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks San!!!

Quote
The radiologist from Lake City, Florida, who keeps in close contact with van der Sloot and pays his legal bills, has expressed concern in the past about his physical well-being.

"He was groggy, he was stumbling, he knocked over a glass of water, and he had a rash around his neck," she told RadarOnline.com after she visited him last December.


Awwwww.... ol' cabeza de gordo is suffering from a rash. Such a pity. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I wonder if that is covered under Mary's International law of Humanocide?

I will bake him some of my famous bird flu biscuits and ship them to him right away.

Natalee and Stephany suffered, Joran knows nothing of suffering. A rash! Such a candyazz.
hmmm...wonder if that rash is from a leash around his neck?  Maybe his guards are treating him like the wild animal he is.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 26, 2012, 01:33:28 PM
He will be getting many more years.imo

Not in peru. People are doing the math and I'm reading... with good-time and the 2:1 work/study benefit he could be out in 5 1/2 years. I'm angry.

28 years sentence
- 18 years (serves 1/3 sentence)
- 2 years (participates in education program first four years of sentence)
- 18 months pre-trial confinement
======================
5 1/2 years


The extradition treaty?  Perfect timing!!  Perfect when the filing of charges by the Peruvian prosecutor is considered.!  Maybe Joran van der Sloot does have guardian angels ... guardian angels in high places.

Is it possible that the 28 year sentence afforded Joran by Peru ... the 28 year sentence that in actuality translates into a much shorter sentence ... will be served in the Netherlands following the outcome of the current appeal?

Janet

++++

Peru, Netherlands agree extradition treaty
Date: 14/05/2011


<snipped>

Foreign Minister Uri Rosenthal and his Peruvian opposite number Jose Antonio Garcia Belaunde signed a treaty on the transfer of sentenced persons and the enforcement of criminal judgments on Thursday. "The treaty allows residents of the Kingdom of the Netherlands who have been sentenced to prison by final and irrevocable judgment in Peru" to serve their sentence in the Netherlands, said Rosenthal.

Peruvians who are in prison in the Netherlands are also entitled to invoke the treaty. Both countries are under obligation to grant a detainee's request.

<snipped>

http://www.andina.com.pe/ingles/Noticia.aspx?id=5iygkT4lzq8=

jamcakes


Van Der Sloot Appeals 28-Year Sentence
Updated: Tuesday, 24 Jan 2012, 2:50 PM EST
Published : Tuesday, 24 Jan 2012, 2:50 PM EST


<snipped>

The appeal, filed before the Peruvian Supreme Court, is likely to be adjudicated between April and May, the lawyer said.

<snipped>

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/van-der-sloot-appeals-28-year-sentence-dpgonc-20120124-kh_17347906


NANCY GRACE
Joran Pleads Guilty to Murder in Peru
Aired January 11, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: ... Van Der Sloot yawning and laughing in court. What about it, Jane?

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST, "ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL": Well, I think that this was all highly orchestrated and it was a big farce, and he knew exactly what was going to happen when he walked into court. And there was some kind of behind-the-scenes deal.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/11/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kermit on January 26, 2012, 01:36:25 PM
(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/8216/jorant.jpg)
FROM BOY TO A MURDERER - Instead of wasting time on extradition, his family ought to influence him to tell Beth everything that happened that night that he kidnapped and murdered Natalee .....truth will set you free & will clean up his rash!

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2012.jan.25.joran.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kermit on January 26, 2012, 01:39:09 PM
Me thinks Urine understands better than anyone that he must keep himself visible in the media, because if he doesn't keep the lights on, his will go dark. It's called survival. Once the lights fade away justice will come, but what do I know?


::justice2NJ::
Hi KTF

so true, so true - just a matter of time


one down,
two to go

 ::Baseball::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 26, 2012, 01:44:04 PM
O/T

Kermit!!

In the past couple of weeks the Fraser Valley was hit with over a foot of snow as well as freezing temperatures.  However in the past three days the temperature has warmed and the heavens opened up to 48 hours of torrential rains.  Clear skies is where it at today and ... a look at the back of our property reveals a lake.  My point.  The filled in small pond is no longer an issue in preventing you from hopping across the line for a visit.  Border guards are instructed not to shoot frogs as they are not considered illegal. 

Ribbit!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 26, 2012, 02:36:46 PM
He will be getting many more years.imo

Not in peru. People are doing the math and I'm reading... with good-time and the 2:1 work/study benefit he could be out in 5 1/2 years. I'm angry.

28 years sentence
- 18 years (serves 1/3 sentence)
- 2 years (participates in education program first four years of sentence)
- 18 months pre-trial confinement
======================
5 1/2 years


The extradition treaty?  Perfect timing!!  Perfect when the filing of charges by the Peruvian prosecutor is considered.!  Maybe Joran van der Sloot does have guardian angels ... guardian angels in high places.

Is it possible that the 28 year sentence afforded Joran by Peru ... the 28 year sentence that in actuality translates into a much shorter sentence ... will be served in the Netherlands following the outcome of the current appeal?

Janet

++++

Peru, Netherlands agree extradition treaty
Date: 14/05/2011


<snipped>

Foreign Minister Uri Rosenthal and his Peruvian opposite number Jose Antonio Garcia Belaunde signed a treaty on the transfer of sentenced persons and the enforcement of criminal judgments on Thursday. "The treaty allows residents of the Kingdom of the Netherlands who have been sentenced to prison by final and irrevocable judgment in Peru" to serve their sentence in the Netherlands, said Rosenthal.

Peruvians who are in prison in the Netherlands are also entitled to invoke the treaty. Both countries are under obligation to grant a detainee's request.

<snipped>

http://www.andina.com.pe/ingles/Noticia.aspx?id=5iygkT4lzq8=

jamcakes


Van Der Sloot Appeals 28-Year Sentence
Updated: Tuesday, 24 Jan 2012, 2:50 PM EST
Published : Tuesday, 24 Jan 2012, 2:50 PM EST


<snipped>

The appeal, filed before the Peruvian Supreme Court, is likely to be adjudicated between April and May, the lawyer said.

<snipped>

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/van-der-sloot-appeals-28-year-sentence-dpgonc-20120124-kh_17347906


NANCY GRACE
Joran Pleads Guilty to Murder in Peru
Aired January 11, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: ... Van Der Sloot yawning and laughing in court. What about it, Jane?

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST, "ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL": Well, I think that this was all highly orchestrated and it was a big farce, and he knew exactly what was going to happen when he walked into court. And there was some kind of behind-the-scenes deal.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/11/ng.01.html


Coincidence?

The extradition treaty between the Netherlands and Peru was reached in May, 2011.  The case was not presented to the prosecution until June, 2011.

Janet

++++++

Woman's family wants speedy trial for van der Sloot
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 17, 2011


CNN) -- The family of a slain Peruvian woman is urging prosecutors to file their case against murder suspect Joran van der Sloot, warning that he may be released by December unless the case goes ahead.

"We are worried because Peruvian law says that if a suspect's trial doesn't begin within 18 months after his arrest, authorities are obligated to set the suspect free," Ricardo Flores, the dead woman's father, told CNN.

<snipped>

Investigators delivered their case file to prosecutors in June for a decision on charges.  Ricardo Flores said the prosecutor in the case, Miriam Riveros Castellares, is "not moving with the speed that a case of this magnitude merits."

"We're asking that either the prosecutor file charges or that authorities remove her from this case and name somebody else," he said.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/17/peru.van.der.sloot/

s.t.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 26, 2012, 02:49:48 PM
Maybe some of Mary's money was dropped on Sebastian's education?



ISA SCHOOL of ARUBA
2011-2012 TUITION FEE SCHEDULE

Montessori 1/2 day
$7,786.86

Montessori Full Day
13,482.29

Grades 1-5
13,961.15

Grades 6-8
14,926.86

Grades 9-12
17,240.58

*CONVERTED TO USD
----

....but wait, that's not all! If you act right now, there's more.


Additional Fees

Capital Levy Fee ( CLF ) - The non-refundable Capital Levy Fee ( CLF ) is an additional onetime fee for all new students of Awg. 10,600 or USD 6,057.14.  The CLF may be paid over two years, the first ½ due at the start of year one and the second ½ at the start of year two.  The CLF is temporarily waived for students enrolling in the Montessori Kindergarten Program until they move on to grade one, at which time they will be subject to the CLF Fee.

Senior Fee - The non-refundable Senior Fee of Awg. 500.00 or USD 285.71 shall be charged to all students entering grade 12 to address graduation and senior activities.

Administrative Fee (new) – The non-refundable Administrative Fee of Awg. 725.00 or USD 414.29 shall be charged to all students on a payment plan. Students paying in full at the start of the school year are not subject to this fee.

Application Fee – The non-refundable one time Application Fee of Awg. 100.00 or USD 57.15 shall be charged to all new student.


Quote
How much money you got? -Dennis Jacobs
::HelloKitty::

http://www.isaruba.com/admissions/school_fees/school_fees.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 26, 2012, 03:29:12 PM
Paul and Anita dropped roughly 175K on Joran's education alone. 1-12 grade.

...and all Joran has to show for it is a rash and a lousy green t-shirt.

Aneeter was right about that karma thing. It's a mutha! ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 26, 2012, 03:54:02 PM
I wonder if the Sloots got tuition discounts at the school because Anita is a teacher? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 26, 2012, 03:54:38 PM
Paul and Anita dropped roughly 175K on Joran's education alone. 1-12 grade.

...and all Joran has to show for it is a rash and a lousy green t-shirt.

Aneeter was right about that karma thing. It's a mutha! ::rhino::

A very poor investment of their money for sure. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 26, 2012, 04:37:16 PM
I wonder if the Sloots got tuition discounts at the school because Anita is a teacher? 

I remember reading through the years that Anita did get a faculty discount for the tuition for her sons.

http://books.google.com/books?id=8Qob31JGGaMC&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=discount+tuition+at+international+school+of+Aruba&source=bl&ots=L2u0OLNCPJ&sig=KRKVQvk_dGU3IbO5BPMAdymNFpk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_8EhT_v2H4PdtwfEy4iiCw&ved=0CF8Q6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=discount%20tuition%20at%20international%20school%20of%20Aruba&f=false

 ::snipping2::

The family belonged to a country club, and Joran and his brothers attended the International School of Aruba, a small, private English-language school where their mother, Anita, taught art, as she had back in Holland.  The school was expensive, about U.S. $8,000 a year, but faculty family members paid a discounted tuition.

 ::snipping2:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 26, 2012, 04:47:18 PM
Extradition treaties do not appear overnight or even within a year b/c a Joran van der Sloot has been arrested in a country in which there is not an existing treaty.

Any intelligent person knows that it takes years of communication to work out a treaty that both sides will agree to.  There is so much to consider and implement.  It takes years to study feasibility and plan for all situations.  Then it awhile for each country to ratify the treaty after signing it, and years for the treaty after ratification to become implemented.

Don't believe me. Go read for yourself about the process.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 26, 2012, 04:54:47 PM
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/babyjoran.jpg)

Portrait of a Monster Family

Anita looks a bit of the same, now and then.

But Paulus must have had the bad genes.  He sure aged in just 16 years!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Anna on January 26, 2012, 04:56:28 PM
Extradition treaties do not appear overnight or even within a year b/c a Joran van der Sloot has been arrested in a country in which there is not an existing treaty.

Any intelligent person knows that it takes years of communication to work out a treaty that both sides will agree to.  There is so much to consider and implement.  It takes years to study feasibility and plan for all situations.  Then it awhile for each country to ratify the treaty after signing it, and years for the treaty after ratification to become implemented.

Don't believe me. Go read for yourself about the process.


Agree!  And the one with the U.S. is already in place.  The only place Joran will be extradited to will be the U.S. which is certainly a closer ally also than The NL.  That's why we have a treaty in place and they do not.

Joran will NOT be out of jail in any 5 l/2 years either but I sort of wish he would to get him to Alabama faster.

I must just share Beth's sentiments of being satisfied with Joran in a "Midnight Express" type prison where each and every day his life is in jeopardy not only from other criminals but disease and the cold and general squalor unlike most of us have never even seen and never will.

He has already aged ten years.  I do not believe for one minute his life is anything but a living hell, TV or not.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 26, 2012, 05:04:42 PM
(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/8216/jorant.jpg)
FROM BOY TO A MURDERER - Instead of wasting time on extradition, his family ought to influence him to tell Beth everything that happened that night that he kidnapped and murdered Natalee .....truth will set you free & will clean up his rash!

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2012.jan.25.joran.jpg)
2005 ISA School of Aruba Graduate now working for Peruvian Dept. of Corrections
            Hobbies: Poker
            Likes: Scratching his ringworm rash with remaining free time
            Current girlfriend: Scary Mary of the panhandle
            Fave Sayings: "So much bad luck sometimes!"


 ::MonkeyBike:: That mug on him. He's aged twenty years in 6 1/2. It's hard on the body being such a numbnuts.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 26, 2012, 05:13:38 PM
Extradition treaties do not appear overnight or even within a year b/c a Joran van der Sloot has been arrested in a country in which there is not an existing treaty.

Any intelligent person knows that it takes years of communication to work out a treaty that both sides will agree to.  There is so much to consider and implement.  It takes years to study feasibility and plan for all situations.  Then it awhile for each country to ratify the treaty after signing it, and years for the treaty after ratification to become implemented.

Don't believe me. Go read for yourself about the process.


Agree!  And the one with the U.S. is already in place.  The only place Joran will be extradited to will be the U.S. which is certainly a closer ally also than The NL.  That's why we have a treaty in place and they do not.

Joran will NOT be out of jail in any 5 l/2 years either but I sort of wish he would to get him to Alabama faster.

I must just share Beth's sentiments of being satisfied with Joran in a "Midnight Express" type prison where each and every day his life is in jeopardy not only from other criminals but disease and the cold and general squalor unlike most of us have never even seen and never will.

He has already aged ten years.  I do not believe for one minute his life is anything but a living hell, TV or not.

Anna,

I agree. That 5 1/2 years is, as Bush used to say, FAULTY MATH!

Agreed also that Joran looks like he is Rode Hard and Put Away Wet from his short stay in a "cushy" Peruvian prison such as he experienced at Miguel Miguel.  Now that he is at Pietras Gordas, he is finally experiencing a Midnight Express prison and hearing that he is unhappy and sick is kinda heartwarming.  (Did I say that out loud?)  Can't wait to hear that he has been transferred to Challapalca or somewhere equally worse.

Joran's father didn't age well in Aruba.  I expect Joran won't age well in prison anywhere!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 26, 2012, 05:18:31 PM


 ::MonkeyBike:: That mug on him. He's aged twenty years in 6 1/2. It's hard on the body being such a numbnuts.

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 26, 2012, 05:59:22 PM
Extradition treaties do not appear overnight or even within a year b/c a Joran van der Sloot has been arrested in a country in which there is not an existing treaty.

Any intelligent person knows that it takes years of communication to work out a treaty that both sides will agree to.  There is so much to consider and implement.  It takes years to study feasibility and plan for all situations.  Then it awhile for each country to ratify the treaty after signing it, and years for the treaty after ratification to become implemented.

Don't believe me. Go read for yourself about the process.


Agree!  And the one with the U.S. is already in place.  The only place Joran will be extradited to will be the U.S. which is certainly a closer ally also than The NL.  That's why we have a treaty in place and they do not.

Joran will NOT be out of jail in any 5 l/2 years either but I sort of wish he would to get him to Alabama faster.

I must just share Beth's sentiments of being satisfied with Joran in a "Midnight Express" type prison where each and every day his life is in jeopardy not only from other criminals but disease and the cold and general squalor unlike most of us have never even seen and never will.

He has already aged ten years.  I do not believe for one minute his life is anything but a living hell, TV or not.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 26, 2012, 08:36:42 PM
Van der Sloot's health deteriorates after move to high security jail in Peru: report

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Last Updated: 10:28 AM, January 26, 2012

LIMA -- Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot's health has deteriorated since he was moved to a high security prison in Peru, RadarOnline.com reported.

The Dutchman, who was jailed for 28 years for the 2010 murder of Peruvian woman Stephany Flores, was transferred to maximum security prison Piedras Gordas, in the north of capital Lima, following criticism that conditions at Lima's Castro Castro jail, where he spent 18 months, were too comfortable.

In contrast to Castro Castro, where van der Sloot reportedly bonded with inmates and guards and enjoyed perks such as conjugal visits and internet access, the 24 year old has been placed in solitary confinement at Piedras Gordas and has complained he feels ill and depressed.

"His health has suffered and he is not doing well there," a source told RadarOnline.com. "Joran blames the food and the water. He says that he is depressed and feeling weak all the time."

Mary Hamer, a Florida woman who pays the killer's legal bills, told the gossip site she was "very worried about his deteriorating health."


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/peru_report_sloot_health_deteriorates_WbfSdxA7ov3VkZli4D1gXN#ixzz1kaDr9kfS



I'm just very worried that his slow, agonizing death isn't coming soon enough.  He needs to hang himself from a beam in the prison and make sure his hands are in his pockets.  ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 26, 2012, 09:21:34 PM
How much can the sporter's health deteriorate in a week's time?

Didn't he pull this same stunt when he first went to Castro Castro.?
He refused to eat or drink until they force fed him

I think it is just more of the Van der Sloot theatrics....like a baby holding it's
breath until it gets it way.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 26, 2012, 09:43:05 PM
How much can the sporter's health deteriorate in a week's time?

Didn't he pull this same stunt when he first went to Castro Castro.?
He refused to eat or drink until they force fed him

I think it is just more of the Van der Sloot theatrics....like a baby holding it's
breath until it gets it way.

I agree.   ::boxingjoran::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kermit on January 26, 2012, 09:52:08 PM
O/T

Kermit!!

In the past couple of weeks the Fraser Valley was hit with over a foot of snow as well as freezing temperatures.  However in the past three days the temperature has warmed and the heavens opened up to 48 hours of torrential rains.  Clear skies is where it at today and ... a look at the back of our property reveals a lake.  My point.  The filled in small pond is no longer an issue in preventing you from hopping across the line for a visit.  Border guards are instructed not to shoot frogs as they are not considered illegal. 

Ribbit!

Janet

(http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/13500/Muppet-Movie--13504.jpg)
Your last directions sent me and Miss Piggy search'n the woods for days. Miss Piggy says she an't takn no chances until she gets a clear map directly to the Canuck pond. I swear I told her it was gonna be fun ice skat'n on the pond, but alas she's got her heart set on Oscar Night this year. Man or Muppet song is nominated. Me thinks an Oscar might be coming home with us.






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on January 26, 2012, 09:52:58 PM
How much can the sporter's health deteriorate in a week's time?

Didn't he pull this same stunt when he first went to Castro Castro.?
He refused to eat or drink until they force fed him

I think it is just more of the Van der Sloot theatrics....like a baby holding it's
breath until it gets it way.

I agree.   ::boxingjoran::



Since when is a RASH considered a "downward spiral"... if that is the litmus test, I am like three inches from the grave.

I only have like three things on me that work right, on any given day. Put on your big boy pants, Joran! Quit your caterwauling, ya big baby.

---

Scary Mary is on Anderson tomorrow.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-guardian-angel-anderson-interview


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 26, 2012, 09:54:29 PM
(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/8216/jorant.jpg)
FROM BOY TO A MURDERER - Instead of wasting time on extradition, his family ought to influence him to tell Beth everything that happened that night that he kidnapped and murdered Natalee .....truth will set you free & will clean up his rash!

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2012.jan.25.joran.jpg)
2005 ISA School of Aruba Graduate now working for Peruvian Dept. of Corrections
            Hobbies: Poker
            Likes: Scratching his ringworm rash with remaining free time
            Current girlfriend: Scary Mary of the panhandle
            Fave Sayings: "So much bad luck sometimes!"


 ::MonkeyBike:: That mug on him. He's aged twenty years in 6 1/2. It's hard on the body being such a numbnuts.

Just wait for winter!  His favorite time of year...NOT!   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeySkate::

::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kermit on January 26, 2012, 09:55:36 PM
How much can the sporter's health deteriorate in a week's time?

Didn't he pull this same stunt when he first went to Castro Castro.?
He refused to eat or drink until they force fed him

I think it is just more of the Van der Sloot theatrics....like a baby holding it's
breath until it gets it way.

You nailed it!






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: Kermit on January 26, 2012, 09:56:52 PM
(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/8216/jorant.jpg)
FROM BOY TO A MURDERER - Instead of wasting time on extradition, his family ought to influence him to tell Beth everything that happened that night that he kidnapped and murdered Natalee .....truth will set you free & will clean up his rash!

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2012.jan.25.joran.jpg)
2005 ISA School of Aruba Graduate now working for Peruvian Dept. of Corrections
            Hobbies: Poker
            Likes: Scratching his ringworm rash with remaining free time
            Current girlfriend: Scary Mary of the panhandle
            Fave Sayings: "So much bad luck sometimes!"


 ::MonkeyBike:: That mug on him. He's aged twenty years in 6 1/2. It's hard on the body being such a numbnuts.

Just wait for winter!  His favorite time of year...NOT!   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeySkate::

::MonkeyBike::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Winter is Siberia



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on January 26, 2012, 10:03:48 PM

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Winter is Siberia

without electricity in the cells or running water!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 26, 2012, 10:06:40 PM

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Winter is Siberia

without electricity in the cells or running water!

(http://bestsmileys.com/cold/1.gif) (http://bestsmileys.com/cold/2.gif) (http://bestsmileys.com/cold/3.gif)      


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: texasmom on January 26, 2012, 10:23:40 PM
How much can the sporter's health deteriorate in a week's time?

Didn't he pull this same stunt when he first went to Castro Castro.?
He refused to eat or drink until they force fed him

I think it is just more of the Van der Sloot theatrics....like a baby holding it's
breath until it gets it way.

I agree.   ::boxingjoran::



Since when is a RASH considered a "downward spiral"... if that is the litmus test, I am like three inches from the grave.

I only have like three things on me that work right, on any given day. Put on your big boy pants, Joran! Quit your caterwauling, ya big baby.

---

Scary Mary is on Anderson tomorrow.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-guardian-angel-anderson-interview

Thanks for the heads up Carpe.  Hope Anderson lets her have it again.   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-guardian-angel-anderson-interview

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

 ::snipping2::

"You have asked for money back. You have given a total of how much money -- about $100,000?" Anderson asked Mary incredulously.

"And you had also sent money before that, how much money before that had you sent?" he inquired.

"I sent $16,500 before that for attorney's fees and I asked Mr. Jimenez to acquire an FBI document from the Peruvian court system, and several other things," Mary explained.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 26, 2012, 10:26:40 PM
Who has more more money than sense?   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discuss