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Joran's BS was  ::monkeydenied:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks Muffy I wasn't paying attention  ::MonkeyDevil::  ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::

Anderson has some of the clips up from his conversation with Sugar Mary

http://www.andersoncooper.com/videos/

 
I just got home from an out of town trip and thought I'd check the forum.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

You put me to shame!  ::MonkeySlide::

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800+ pages of mental health/school records accumulated on Joran prior to his murdering Stephany.

His parents knew. Aruba knew. No one did anything to stop him or help him.  They all enabled him to kill Natalee and then Stephany.

He’s a monster – get him out of the house.  We’ll give him his own apartment in the backyard, pay his bills, set up gambling accounts, let him have girls spend the night, and he can come and go at his own will without us knowing…. WTF were they thinking?  Why didn’t somebody do something, anything? Aruba didn’t want him either.  Get him out of their prison and country by letting him go to college in the NL.  He strikes out there so he moves onto a truly perverted, unregulated country by the name of Thailand.  He involves himself in selling prostitutes to the NL.  Anybody want to bet he didn’t practice his new found love of murder amongst the myriad throwaway prostitutes of Thailand? Who would know? Who would miss a few?

 ::MonkeyMad::


Mommy knew. Daddy knew.  His brothers knew. Arubans knew. ALE knew  And they all did nothing.

Simian knew. And tried to warn us.

Beth & Dave knew. We knew.  But were forced to just stand by and watch and wait…

Stephany knew, but by then it was too late…


Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:37 pm
It’s horrible. He is a sociopath.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:44 pm
Killing his own dogs. Dumping them is the reservoir. Harrassing his schoolmates.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:16 pm
The water reservoir in Noord is very busy. The boy is not right. There is so much stuff on him. I don’t know what I should relay to you people. I fear the worst.

Jamcakes - we all knew.  I blame Joran's family and the people in Aruba (and the internet) that fought to coverup Joran's crimes for the death of Stephany. They have blood on their hands.

The Enabling of Joran van der Sloot

Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot
 
12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of “date rape” perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices.
 
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp5.html


Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot
 
81. Defendant Paulus van der Sloot knew his minor child, Joran van der Sloot, had a long history of sexual assaults on young women.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp15.html

Joran van der Sloot's Mother - The Natalee Holloway Case

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Published June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S MOTHER: Joran is a very outgoing person. He's a sweetheart.

<snipped

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Any drug use or alcohol use by him?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I'm a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you're used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You're so alert. And I think you're even more alert with your own children.

<snipped>

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare, too, but our life is a nightmare, too.

<snipped>

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT:   And he was telling me, Mommy, look at me, I'm reading the Bible. Did you ever think about that? And I think it's great. It's difficult to read.

<snipped>

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Something he told me last night, that he still didn't believe it was true. And he said, Mom, don't worry, because I was crying and he was really hugging me. He said, The truth will come forward, and I know that I didn't do anything to the girl. And the truth will come forward. And he was so strong.  And I believe in him. I believe so in him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

That was my point. They knew and did nothing, even though they knew we knew and could do nothing.  I totally lay the blame for both Natalee and Stephany on Anita & Paulus, and all the Arubans who purposely enabled him to save one "happy" island.

By the time Peru realized it, they had already lost a daughter. Finally, someone who knew could do something about it.  And they did.  28 years.

Joran knows that he is on camera; therefore, probably tries to resist showing emotion.

While back in his cell, though, reality crosses his mind. His goose has been cooked (and he knows it)...
He will have 10,220 days (in time out) to reflect on the transgressions in his life.

Hopefully, as others have mentioned, the US will be able to indict him on its own charges.

Will be interested to see the outcome of the Kalpoe circus, and what additional information is ascertained.

GMAB!

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
Published June 24, 2005

<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: What has been seized from this house?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: The first time it was one computer that we all use. There's no lock on it so we can see what the kids are doing, one laptop of my husband that he only uses for his work, my digital camera what was on my desk, not in Joran's room on my desk.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html

John Q. Kelly is on Dr. Drew tonight.

Dr. Drew states that Dave Holloway said today that Joran is beyond rehabilitation, Dr. Drew agrees.

Dr. Drew asks JQK what Beth's reaction was to the sentencing today.

JQK says that Beth definitely had reactions, it's been a difficult three days for her but she wants to keep her emotions private at this time.  She sees it as a time for the Flores family to grieve, to mourn, to absorb and digest what went on in the legal process concerning their daughter today; and let them address the situation.

Dr. Drew describes the decision yesterday by a judge in Alabama legally declaring Natalee dead.  He shows Beth's reaction to that.  They show the clip of Beth that CBB has mentioned  here where Beth says "Natalee's father wanted to see this through and...of course it makes me very sad."

 ::MonkeyTears::

Dr. Drew asks JQK why Beth was resisting doing that and why was Natalee's father so intent on having her declared dead?

JQK says Dave's reasons were more legal and financial from his point of view.  From Beth's point of view she saw no reason to have a legal declaration of Natalee's death.  She always wants to be able to hold on to that dream, that possible miracle that one day she might see her daughter again.

Dr. Drew says his understanding was that Dave was still paying Natalee's health insurance and things like that and that (he says she but I think he meant "he") preferred to set that money aside for some of the other children's education.  He asks JQK if this is correct?

JQK says yes, there were very practical reasons that Dave wanted to proceed down that path and Beth's position is that she understands it, and any declaration signed by the court doesn't make any difference in her heart.  She's holding on to that dream, still holding Natalee dear and if there's ever a sliver of hope that she could ever see Natalee again.  She also wants to reinforce her beliefs with other families, never to give up hope.

Dr. Drew asks JQK to send Beth his regards...(and makes a few other comments)

JQK says Beth is a brave, strong, and incredible woman.

Me too Klaas, absolutely!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Dr. Drew's transcript will be a good one, they are discussing the psych evaluation next.

I've been going back and forth so I'm not sure how much time is left in the show.

ZERO evidence of PTSD per Dr. Drew.

Cole Thompson is the one who obtained the report from a source that he won't name in Peru.

Cole co-authored the book with Lisa Pulitzer.

                            " Paint Me A Birmingham"
He was sittin? there, his brush in hand
Paintin? waves as they danced, upon the sand
With every stroke, he brought to life
The deep blue of the ocean, against the mornin? sky
I asked him if he only painted ocean scenes
He said for twenty dollars, I?ll paint you anything.

Chorus:

Well could you Paint Me A Birmingham
Make it look just the way I planned
A little house on the edge of town
Porch goin? all the way around
Put her there in the front yard swing
Cotton dress make it, early spring
For awhile she?ll be, mine again
If you can Paint Me A Birmingham.

He looked at me, with knowing eyes
Then took a canvas from a bag there by his side
Picked up a brush, and said to me
Son just in this picture, would you like to me
I said if there?s any way you can
Could you paint me back into her arms again.

Paint Me A Birmingham
Make it look just the way I planned
A little house on the edge of town
Porch goin? all the way around
Put her there in the front yard swing
Cotton dress make it, early spring
For awhile she?ll be, mine again
If you can Paint Me A Birmingham.

Put her there in the front yard swing
Cotton dress make it, early spring
For awhile she?ll be, mine again
If you can Paint Me A, Birmingham.

...Indulge me. This is the song I associate with Natalee.
I think of Natalee's parents and Family & Friends and those who never knew her, but tried to help to find her. Red,  Tim Miller, Peter DeVries, so many persons were touched by Natalee. And the Zoo Keeper.

I may have been a bit over melodramatic in my post.  This has been a very emotional few days for all us, especially for Natalee's and Stephany's loved ones.  Even though I'm new to the forum, I've been following this case very closely since May 2005.

I'm still wrought up with emotion, anger, grief, anxiety, elation, disappointment. I'll say good night and hope my emotions don't run the extreme gambit tomorrow.

Buona notte

Dr. Drew read a few short passages from the report.

Cole Thompson had summarized somewhat too, about the problems starting in his teens, rumors of Joran's beating one of his brothers nearly to death etc.

I'll look for the transcript in a while.

They didn't go as in depth as I hoped they would.

I think we've pretty much heard all of it before from others.

Thru translator:

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-13-trasladaran-a-joran-van-der-sloot-al-penal-de-piedras-gordas-noticia_440623.html (http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-13-trasladaran-a-joran-van-der-sloot-al-penal-de-piedras-gordas-noticia_440623.html)

Move to Joran Van der Sloot to criminal BBW Stones

Friday, January 13, 2012 | 7:09 pm

The head of INPE, José Luis Pérez Guadalupe, said he 'has seen the need to change the penalty to increase security measures. "

The head of INPE, José Luis Pérez Guadalupe, according to RPP Noticias that Joran Van der Sloot was transferred to maximum security prison BBW Stone. "The Classification Board and the Regional Directorate of Lima determined to be transferred to criminal BBW Piedras" he said.

He said that will take the strictest security measures during the transfer. "We have seen the need to change the penalty to increase security measures. All society we take steps in an exemplary manner for this not happen again," he added.
 ::snipping2::

Thanks Kat_Gram

The poem is beautiful.

Janet

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I thought your posts were fine.  But I get pretty emotional here too sometimes, so I understand wanting to take a step back if that's what you need to do.

Good night!   ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks for the recap TM.  I missed Dr. Drew and would have liked to have seen the show.

Thru translator:

http://peru.com/actualidad/van-der-sloot-trasladado-al-penal-piedras-gordas-noticia-37936 (http://peru.com/actualidad/van-der-sloot-trasladado-al-penal-piedras-gordas-noticia-37936)

Friday January 13, 2012 - 07:48

Van der Sloot was taken to Fat Piedras criminal

The Dutchman will not stay in the Castro Castro prison. "We want to avoid any problems regarding his life," said the head of INPE.

Lima. The Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot , who was sentenced to 28 years in prison for the murder of Stephany Flores , did not stay in the Castro Castro prison and was taken to Fat Stone, said the head of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE), Jose Perez Guadalupe.

"The board of the regional classification of Lima have determined that (the Dutch), and with the conviction of 28 years, will be transferred to the prison of Piedras Gordas. I've already been warned on which cell is, "said Guadalupe Perez RPP.

He added that both the regional director of the prison and announced that they will take the strictest security measures with this procedure.

"We have seen the need to change the penalty to increase security measures. We believe this is an exemplary sentence. (...) We want to avoid any problems regarding his life, "he said.

Tracy Lawrence sings it IIRC, and I always think of Natalee (and shed a few tears) when I hear it.

Thanks for the reminder Kat_gram...I haven't heard it in a while.  I think I'll make my way over to youtube later and listen if it's still there.

You're welcome San!  It was good.  They had a body language expert on there too, I didn't listen closely to everything he said.  One thing I remember (summarizing) is that someone like Joran is hard to read because they don't think like we do...

So true.  He has never had one normal thought in his life.  I saw in one picture his head get really red like when he was talking to Greta and his ears got red.  To me that is a sign that he is nervous because he wants people to believe his lies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVI7bsJTcRo

Home Sweet Home - Joran's new prison.  Enjoy your stay Joran!  ::monkeywine2:: ::justice2NJ:: ::monkeywine2::

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-13-van-der-sloot-puede-salir-de-prision-en-ocho-anos-por-beneficios-noticia_440667.html

Google translation

Van der Sloot can get out of prison in eight years by profit
Friday, January 13, 2012 | 9:45 pm

 ::snipping2::
While Joran Van der Sloot was sentenced to 28 years in prison, in the "best scenario" would leave prison with only serving eight years of the sentence, said criminal lawyer Roberto Miranda.

"In the best scenario that could have Van der Sloot, could be talking about eight years of deprivation effectively," he told RPP Noticias.

Counsel explained that the crime of murder for which he was sentenced Dutch is not restricted to the benefits of redemption prison sentence for work and day release. However, he said that to get out of prison will have to pay civil damages of S /. 200 000 imposed by the College "B" of the Third Criminal Court for Prison Inmates in Lima Court and show good behavior.

"You will have to prove that has made payments-even split payments, but civil repair, have good conduct and have not caused any other criminal incident," he said.

Averaging the south, the Dutch listened to the sentence against him for the murder of the young Stephany Flores Ramirez (21), which occurred on May 30, 2010 at a hotel in Miraflores. At night he ordered his transfer of the San Pedro (ex Lurigancho) at the Piedras Gordas.

Tracey Lawerence does sing the song, but it is the lyrics that are powerful.
..
Sad week, not about JVDS, but just the finality. He will never talk the truth and they will never know for sure what happened to her. Bad English, should take an ESL class.
Hugs to everyone who is here and also to those who are not.   

Well if they still have the money they swindled from psycho Mary for "bail", he can pay the civil damages off with that.  Wonder if that was the plan, or if they've spent it on "attorney fees" instead or other things?

You too Kat_Gram

 ::MonkeyWink::
Or he's getting angry because he thinks they don't believe him?

Probably depends on if that interview was one where she was still "inclined" to believe him or not?    ::MonkeyWink::

I wondered where that other "winking" monkey went...I didn't see it in the preview!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Dave did say on CBS42 yesterday (and it has been replayed today) that there was life
insurance.  He threw it in with the health and dental insurance sorta nonchantly.
It was the first I had heard him mention life insurance.

Family reacts to Natalee Holloway death certificate
Published: 1/12 11:01 pm
Updated: 2:24 am

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WIAT) - The death certificate will allow Dave Holloway to move forward and deal with financial and legal responsibilities related to Natalee that have been stuck in limbo since her disappearance.

"Finally got down to just taking care of some needs. Medical, dental, life insurance, health insurance and college funds and things of that sort," said Dave Holloway.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Family-reacts-to-Natalee-Holloway-death/si37CD7pr0u7OY46xvqQhA.cspx

It must be the "bail" money, because she wants the money returned.  Maybe this issue will be a turning point for her...maybe.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://abcnews.go.com/US/joran-van-der-sloot-28-years-now-us/story?id=15353765

Joran Van Der Sloot Gets 28 Years in Peru, Now US Wants Him
By COLLEEN CURRY
Jan. 13, 2012

Joran van der Sloot was sentenced today to 28 years in a Peruvian prison for strangling a woman there, and American officials are now expected to bring him to Alabama to face charges in connection with the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway.

The attorney for Holloway's mother, John Q. Kelly, said after today's sentencing that he hopes van der Sloot will be extradited to the U.S. within "a couple of months."

Van der Sloot is charged with extorting $25,000 from Holloway's grieving mother Beth Holloway in exchange for information about the location of Natalee's body. After receving the money, van der Sloot admitted lying about where the girl's body was buried.

"We anticipate that U.S. authorities will move quickly to bring him to Alabama to face pending federal charges and to answer for his past conduct in Aruba," Kelly had said prior to the sentencing.

The U.S. District Attorney in Birmingham, where the case against van der Sloot will be prosecuted, did not immediately return calls for comment. They had previously told ABC News that they had made arrangements with Interpol to have van der Sloot extradited to the U.S.

Any sentence he might receive in the U.S. would be served in conjunction with the 28 years he was sentenced in Peru, Kelly said.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

Awe Mainta (Aruba)
January 13, 2012

Front Page

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Page 2

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When the judge asked the monster to go talk to his lawyer to ask him if he will accept the sentence. The lawyer seems to be scared of his possible reaction(we know the monster reactions when he gets mad, he hits noses and murder people) i have noticed that the lawyer looked down when the monster approached him ::MonkeyShocked:: like he was covering his nose ::MonkeyShocked::

Talked to family in Peru and all of them watched the monster going to jail for very long time..... they were scared that somebody could buy his freedom.

http://issuu.com/themorningnews/docs/january_14__2012?mode=window&pageNumber=1

The Morning News (Aruba)
January 14, 2012

Front Page

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Page 5

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Just wanted to thank everybody for the blow by blow description! I had to work today so missed the coverage!sure helps to come to the cage to get the scoop! I am watching the repeat of dr drew right now so I can see it for myself! I am pleased with the sentence and am glad the Flores family will have their justice!

It was the lawyers job to defend Joran, but he'd seen all the evidence too...the pictures of poor Stephany.  He knew how dangerous Joran is.  He probably was scared of him...especially when he knew he was not happy about that sentence.

Do you mean they were afraid someone would pay off the judges to set him free today?

Or are they afraid someone would be able to do that now, after he was sentenced?

TIA

I was checking out the new prison amenities.

Wow!

State of the art cement Sealy posturepedic bed. 1 sleep setting, so it's easy to remember. Hard as rock.

Also, a nice new 'squatty pottie'

Boy, if Joran has tummy troubles... he's quite in a pickle. ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::

Good to see you!   ::HelloKitty::

IMO it was a huge breath of fresh air to see that Joran could not manipulate the court in Lima, and his attempts to do so only cost him!

 ::MonkeyCheer4::

Thanks to everyone from me too!  Wish I could have been here the whole time!  But I did get to listen and see some of it, and check in here occasionally. 

I didn't see anything nearby for him to get take out, so he just might have some tummy troubles!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501715_162-57358653/peru-court-sentences-van-der-sloot-to-28-years/

January 13, 2012 10:41 AM
Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years

 ::snipping2::
Late Friday, prison authorities told the AP that Van der Sloot had been transferred to the high-security Piedras Gordas prison in northern Lima in response to reports that he had enjoyed privileges like television, internet access and a cell phone in Castro Castro prison. Piedras Gordas holds local crime bosses and terrorism convicts, including Shining Path guerrillas.

"He will be in an individual cell at Piedras Gordas to give authorities greater control of him and cut off some of the facilities he has had in Castro Castro," said prison service spokeswoman Janeth Sanchez.
 ::snipping2::
Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cell phone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.diario.aw/2012/01/aruba-henter-pendiente-di-sentencia-contra-joran/

Papiamentu translation:

aruba all pendiente of sentencia contra joran!

publication: saturday, 14 january 2012.

categoria: general

oranjestad (aan) – yesterday morning for of 11’ or of morning, can tell cu all people of aruba, at home y at trabao, owing to stay pendiente of the sentencia contra joran van der slot.

comentarionan arrive at daily paper is much diverso. have personanan cu is believe cu berdad past owing to arepenti, others is think cu do not so, y cu is believe cu the have to owing to achieve condena of can life.

can owing to saca afo if, cu in we comunidad have enough person cu is convenci cu past owing to kill natalee holloway, y cu they does not for her wordo extradita for aruba.

also have person cu is feel tristeza for her mother y rumannan of van der sloot. assure for none family will have to is facil for happen over of one situation so, y although they're one family much reserva, have person cu wanted show they sentimentonan of solidaridad cu the family, because berdad is cu none person is god for judge for locual one acolyte of one family can owing to haci.

for all comunidad of aruba the caso here is uno cu we all is lamenta. much trip can see in news cosnan hororoso cu is sosode in exterior, cu is seems far away for of we door.

sinembargo the caso here is show cu none people, none country, for more trankil cu the is, is scapa at sucesonan cu can cause dolor at all one comunidad, as this, y worse still if in future will come leave at cla cu the destiny of the young peruvian is the same destiny cu natalee owing to core, some year first y at aruba self.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-technology/peru-court-sentences-van-der-sloot-to-28-years-20120114-1q06o.html

Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years

FRANK BAJAK
January 14, 2012 - 2:05PM

Joran van der Sloot knew his guilty plea in the strangulation death of a young woman he met at a Lima casino was a big gamble as he tried to get a reduced sentence. On Friday, the poker-loving Dutchman lost.

A three-judge panel sentenced him to 28 years in prison, discarding his claims of contrition in a killing his lawyer said was triggered by trauma from being the prime suspect in the unsolved 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway.

Asked if he accepted the sentence, Van der Sloot, standing in a green T-shirt and faded jeans in a hot Lima courtroom, said he would appeal.

 ::snipping2::

The deserved jail sentence of 28 years for this monster has made our national media, and was the best news to read first thing this morning.

So great to see so many familiar monkey names from years past.  Hugs to Cuz and family. 

Busy time at the moment so I have not been able to post as much as I would have liked but my thanks to those who have provided transcripts and screen shots of the trial.

I am so proud to be part of the Scared Monkey Family!

Scared Monkeys are doing Good Works!

couldn't resist these smileys ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

dedicated to
 ::justice2NJ:: and Peaches             ::MonkeyAngel::

I just want to say hello to Billb, Hotping, Robots, Rob, Jen3560, and all the other Monkey's that we haven't seen in quite sometime. We may jump out of the virtual world to attend to our daily lives, but all you Monkey's are never far from my mind because of the compassion we all show for those who have no voices left to speak up for justice. We come together to continue to keep their spirit and hope alive that it does come, and it is come incrementally.

"A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history."

MOHANDAS GANDHI

That reminds me of those Peruvian judges.

They did a fantastic job and didn't buy into the "Oh, I'm really sorry" b/s coming from JVS.  Unlike the Aruban authorities, they saw him for what he is and didn't let anything interfere with their decision process.

Kudos to the judges!!

We just need to let the lights go away and justice will start happening on a daily basis for Urine. Those judges are women and could easily understand that Stephany could have been any of their daughters. I applaud those wonderful women. To have Urine be served up like that buy three women judges is the Lord working magic. Ya gotta love it!!

This is how well Ahata/ATA/ASSRUBA knows how to handle PR in the tourism industry. This only took me five minutes and you can find a few articles on a myriad of diffirent continents talking about Assrubas finest export! URINE BAN DER SL*T..Keep up the good work IDIOTS!! Ahh hell might as well keep it going with the two leprechauns and their circus of a lawsuit.. ONE DUMB ISLAND KEEPS STEPPING IN THEIR OWN SH*T...WHY EXPECT ANYTHING LESS?


United Kingdom

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16554872

Niger

http://niger1.com/?paged=2

Japan

http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/peru-court-sentences-van-der-sloot-to-28-years-for-murder-of-american-girl

Australia

http://www.news.com.au/world/dutch-killer-handed-28-years/story-fn6sb9br-1226244161364

I'd like to "second" both of those postings.  KTF its always good to see you! 



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415



 ::justice2NJ::

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/13/ddhln.01.html
DR. DREW
Van Der Sloot Sentenced to 28 Years; Unbuckling the Bible Belt
Aired January 13, 2012 - 21:00   ET

I read a point on the last thread, I think by EURobert, regarding the trial of Joran's get-away cab drivers.  Aren't you all wondering what they could have talked about during that long drive?

I am.

Testimony, anyone?   ::MonkeyGavel::


Remember when Joran told Greta van Sustern that he had a documented, signed deal to be paid out of the Kalpoe's lawsuit winnings?


Remember how they have his laptop now?   ::MonkeyHaHa::








Edit to change maroon to navy.  MB

Hey,

Is it just me... or did anyone else notice Mary Hamer's freaky deaky left index finger in the Anderson Cooper interview?

oooo weeeee!!! Get behind thee, Satan. It was skeery. The woman has many issues.

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Still pleased with Joran's sentence! Like some others, I don't think he's going to be able to cope with it. His time is short.

LOL.  I hope Joran's first night as a convicted murderer sentenced to 28 years was filled with many uncomfortable hours,and not just from the bed.  I hope he couldn't sleep b/c he has to keep a watchful eye, b/c he is haunted by all his victims, & b/c his new reality is all he's going to have for many years to come.

Thanks Northern Rose!

http://www.allthingsandersoncooper.com/

There's a short clip of Anderson's addendum to the show with Mary where he talks about her sending him a copy of the email she sent asking for her money back.

You will have to scroll down...it's right under this

"As the program was taped, there was an addendum concerning van der Sloot at the end ~"

Thanks Trimm!   ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranCam28Yrs.jpg)

What Did the News Papers in Aruba Have to Say About Joran Van der Sloot and his 28 Year Sentnce in Prison for the Death of Stephany Flores

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/01/14/what-did-the-news-papers-in-aruba-have-to-say-about-joran-van-der-sloot-and-his-28-year-sentnce-in-prison-for-the-death-of-stephany-flores/


 

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/28-jaar-cel-voor-joran-van-der-sloot/

Google translation

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01142012_PRDV_jvds.png)

 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::

Thanks Red!   ::MonkeyCool::

Unless something changed with that extradition treaty as it went through the approval process, the reports back in May 2011 indicated that it was basically designed for those criminals convicted on drug charges to serve their sentences in their home country.  It was stated that the treaty was not intended for those criminals convicted of more serious offenses such as kidnapping and murder; which would exclude Joran from being eligible under the treaty.  I guess we'll see...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I LOVE IT!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

Good job Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Looking for something else, and came across this good one by Klaas!   ::MonkeyJnBox::

 ::MonkeyDance::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5147/5685746434_608f2aef0c_o.gif)

"..good one by Klaas"  is right!!   ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::  ::bee::

I hope that still stands!!!

It's about time someone knocked that silver spoon out of his mouth!

From May 2011

(I know there are more articles about this, I'm looking)

http://peru21.pe/noticia/756260/acuerdo-beneficiaria-van-der-sloot

Google translation

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/05122011_Peru21_Joran.jpg)

The Daily Beast

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...r-in-peru.html

Snipped ...

This morning, the news broke in Peru’s local media that van der Sloot had access to a cellular phone and that he was in constant communication with his attorney and his benefactor: Dr. Mary Hamer, a radiologist from Florida. Hamer had made public her request to Peruvian president Ollanta Humala to release van der Sloot to her care, offering what she calls a “10-year Ghandi program” to rehabilitate him from his gambling and drug addictions.

After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores. Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

Hat tip to Simplicity.

Guardian Angel' of Van der Sloot demanded her money back
 Mary Hamer's attorney had asked the murderer of Stephany Flores you back U.S. $ 72 000 which gave bail

 The news of the condemnation of Joran Van der Sloot for the murder of Stephany Flores also reached Mary Hamer, the self-styled "guardian angel" of the Dutch. She would have demanded that he return the money to the process.

 "Mary Hamer wants to hire me to denounce me for fraud Jimenez because he asked for U.S. $ 80 000 diciédole that (Joran van der Sloot) was out on bail. She wants his money back because she says she has not paid for it, "said attorney Max Highness, one of the defenders of Van der Sloot.

 According to the report of the "At eleven o'clock," another of the lawyers of the Dutch, Luis Jimenez, had received a total of U.S. $ 72 thousand of Hamer to pay the bail of the confessed murderer, but in Peru there is no such process as collateral court.

According to the emails presented in the TV program, the lawyer would have responded to Mary Hamer that money invested in the cost of Van der Sloot. This paper revealed that the murderer of Stephany Flores purchased an apartment in the district of Magdalena for rent $ 1,500 per month.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1360813/noticia-angel-guardian-van-der-sloot-exigio-que-le-devuelvan-dinero

Van der Sloot could get out of jail in 8 years

 ::snipping2::

 The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot could get out of jail in 8 years, if one takes into account that you can order probation once it meets one third of the sentence.

 "To this we may deduct one year prison benefits that you can access for work or education. Theoretically you can go at 8 years in prison," said criminal lawyer Mario Amoretti to Diario 16.

 Amoretti said that under the Criminal Procedure Code the judge will have to evaluate in advance if this is not a dangerous individual, if you are able to reintegrate into society and if he shows good behavior.

http://noticias.terra.com.pe/nacional/van-der-sloot-podria-salir-de-prision-en-8-anos,229158beeacd4310VgnVCM4000009bf154d0RCRD.html

He rented an apartment???

(http://img.kiosko.net/2012/01/14/pe/pe_primera.750.jpg)

(http://cdn.larepublica.pe/sites/default/files/imagecache/img_impreso_380x456/imagen/2012/01/14/imagen_impreso-pagina1.jpg)


http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/137883/vea-portadas-principales-diarios-peruanos-hoy-sabado-14-enero

Natalee Holloway's family Van der Sloot asked to be extradited

 His lawyer asked to answer for the crime of the young and the crime of extortion

 The murder charges against Joran Van der Sloot did not finish his sentence of 28 years in prison in Peru. On Friday the family of the girl Natalee Holloway, who disappeared six years ago on a beach in Aruba, announced that the Dutch extradition request to answer charges of extortion and suspected crime against a U.S. citizen.

 John P. Kelly, attorney Beth Twitty (mother of the disappeared), told reporters shortly initiate legal action to bring Joran Van der Sloot to justice in Birmingham, Alabama.

 "We hope the U.S. authorities extradite him to act fast. He has to answer federal charges pending and that the truth of what happened to Natalee in Aruba, "said the lawyer to the ABC television network.

 ::snipping2::

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1360812/noticia-familia-natalee-holloway-pedira-que-van-der-sloot-sea-extraditado

That is the way it translated.  Would not surprise me that he thought he was getting out with his confession that did not work so well for him.

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/nederland/2012/webredacteurs-blog-proces-joran-de-finale/

(http://www.hartvannederland.nl/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/demo.jpg)

The Passive Personality Principle of International Law

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-sentencing_n_1204663.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl2|sec3_lnk3%26pLid%3D127582

Joran Van Der Sloot Sentencing: Dutchman Slapped With 28 Years For Murder Of Stephany Flores

 ::snipping2::

Earlier this week, Michael Griffith, senior partner at the International Legal Defense Counsel, told The Huffington Post that regardless of what van der Sloot was sentenced to in Peru, he would eventually be extradited to the U.S. for the alleged Holloway extortion plot and possibly her murder.

According to Griffith, the passive personality principle of international law allows a country to prosecute someone who has killed or injured an American citizen in a foreign country. In essence, jurisdiction is based on the nationality of the victim and not the location of the crime.

Griffith said that van der Sloot's alleged statements about Holloway, along with his previous confessions, are enough for U.S. authorities to bring a circumstantial murder case against him.

"There is no statute of limitations," Griffith said. "So even if he serves the max, he can still go on trial in the U.S."

Whether authorities in the U.S. will invoke the passive personality principle has yet to be decided.

 ::snipping2::

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I had heard the talking heads speak of this, but never knew what is was actually called. Now I do.

*note*  over 2000 comments on this article, most of which are glad Joran is behind bars.

In conjunction:  Concurrent or Consecutive?

Anyone know what is meant by JQK's comment "in conjunction with"? Is he saying, in addition to?

I hope any sentence Joran might receive if he is tried, convicted and sentenced for in the US would be served consecutively (following) and not concurrently (at the same time as)

http://abcnews.go.com/US/joran-van-der-sloot-28-years-now-us/story?id=15353765#.TxHMRnrNmdm

 ::snipping2::

"We anticipate that U.S. authorities will move quickly to bring him to Alabama to face pending federal charges and to answer for his past conduct in Aruba," Kelly had said prior to the sentencing.

The U.S. District Attorney in Birmingham, where the case against van der Sloot will be prosecuted, did not immediately return calls for comment. They had previously told ABC News that they had made arrangements with Interpol to have van der Sloot extradited to the U.S.

Any sentence he might receive in the U.S. would be served in conjunction with the 28 years he was sentenced in Peru, Kelly said.

 ::snipping2::

THERE IS MUCH TO BE DONE

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 103: I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit.  Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible.  Mom is right; God is good.  All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over.  Not the work that has to be done.  Just the burden.  I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained.  And I am renewed, resilient.  Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me.  I will pick up one foot and put it down.  Then the other one will follow.  I will breathe.  There is much to be done.


Beth Holloway to speak at Bristol Public Library
Published: January 14, 2012
Updated: January 14, 2012 - 1:03 PM

Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee Holloway, will kick off this year’s Discovery Series at the Bristol Public Library, library officials are expected to announce Tuesday.

The Bristol Herald Courier has learned Holloway is slated to speak at the library in March. A private meet and greet session will be held before the lecture.

Holloway is expected to speak about keeping courage in times of adversity, as she dealt with the disappearance of her daughter, Natalee, during Natalee’s high school graduation trip to Aruba in 2005, library officials said Saturday.

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http://www2.tricities.com/news/2012/jan/14/beth-holloway-speak-bristol-public-library-ar-1611887/

Natalee Holloway declared legally dead
January 12, 2012 -- Updated 2241 GMT (0641 HKT)

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On Thursday, she (Beth) told reporters while leaving the courtroom that she was upset by the judge's decision.

"Natalee's father wanted to see this through, and of course it makes me very sad,"  said Beth Holloway, who now works with groups and families of missing children.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/12/justice/alabama-natalee-holloway/index.html

Very interesting articles jamcakes!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::

Joran van der Sloot to tougher prison

 Joran van der Sloot has been moved to a tougher prison in Peru. The 24-year-old Dutchman was Friday sentenced to 28 years in prison for the murder of Peruvian millionaire daughter Stephany Flores. Her father had protested against the 'privileges' that Van de Sloot in jail would enjoy, like a cell phone and internet. He is now transferred to the prison Piedras Gordas, nicknamed "the Fat Stones", in the north of the capital Lima.
 
 These include jail mafia bosses and those convicted of terrorism, there is a stricter regime. Van der Sloot comes to sit alone in a cell: he can be better controlled and no longer have such a phone, notify the authorities.

http://wereldnieuws.blog.nl/nederland/2012/01/14/joran-van-der-sloot-naar-strengere-gevangenis

 ::snipping2::

"Many privileges in cell '
 Usually are prisoners in Peru after their conviction of their sentence in prison where they already stuck. For the conviction of Van der Sloot's father of the victim complained about the privileges of his daughter's killer in his cell in the Castro Castro prison would have. Through his phone so he would have Internet access. Also, in his cell, a large TV and a Blu-ray player have reported the Peruvian television program A Las Once yesterday. The program claims the iPhone Van der Sloot in possession from which it would appear.

 The heavily guarded Piedras Gordas prison located in the far north of the Peruvian capital Lima. Although the modern prison in Peru would be, the establishment has fallen into disrepute, because among other things, there would be drugs. Also captured were mobile phones and could include local media interviews.

http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2012/01/14/joran-van-der-sloot-overgeplaatst-naar-strengere-gevangenis/

(http://www.nrc.nl/inbeeld/files/2012/01/1401webapp8-980x735.jpg)

(http://www.nrc.nl/inbeeld/files/2012/01/1401webapp11-980x735.jpg)

http://www.nrc.nl/inbeeld/2012/01/14/joran-voor-de-rechter/

Joran transferred  VIDEO

http://www.zie.nl/video/algemeen/Joran-van-der-Sloot-overgeplaatst/m1fz4lkfstt9
 

 ::snipping2::

The Dutch citizen Joran Van der Sloot, sentenced to 28 years in prison for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores, was transferred to the prison Ancon I (Ex Piedras BBW), according to the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE).

 In a statement, the institution said that Van der Sloot was taken "under strict security measures" at approximately 20:05 hours. "Security personnel went to the prison INPE target with said internal unreported occurrences novelty or on the way", says the document.

 "Right now, Joran Van der Sloot is located in the observation area until the Board of Ancon prison classification I determine the final location, according to the assessment that you do," he concludes.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-14-trasladan-a-joran-van-der-sloot-a-piedras-gordas-noticia_440804.html

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks Jamcakes

Why was The Passive Personality Principle not invokes in the Natalee Holloway case a long time ago.  What is the criteria?

Janet

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The Passive Personality Principle

Joran Van Der Sloot Sentencing: Dutchman Slapped With 28 Years For Murder Of Stephany Flores
First Posted: 1/13/12 01:02 PM ET
Updated: 1/13/12 06:08 PM ET

<snipped>

Earlier this week, Michael Griffith, senior partner at the International Legal Defense Counsel, told The Huffington Post that regardless of what van der Sloot was sentenced to in Peru, he would eventually be extradited to the U.S. for the alleged Holloway extortion plot and possibly her murder.

According to Griffith, the passive personality principle of international law allows a country to prosecute someone who has killed or injured an American citizen in a foreign country. In essence, jurisdiction is based on the nationality of the victim and not the location of the crime.

Griffith said that van der Sloot's alleged statements about Holloway, along with his previous confessions, are enough for U.S. authorities to bring a circumstantial murder case against him.

"There is no statute of limitations," Griffith said. "So even if he serves the max, he can still go on trial in the U.S."

Whether authorities in the U.S. will invoke the passive personality principle has yet to be decided.

<snipped>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-sentencing_n_1204663.html?icid=maing-grid7


Jurisdiction and Extradiction

NANCY GRACE
Judge Dismisses Holloway Suit
Aired August 11, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, the facts still remain that those are the last suspects known to be seen with Natalee alive. And everybody knows of their repeated lies that they told the authorities, even their father, Paulus Van Der Sloot. That`s why he was arrested. There was a reason that he was arrested in Natalee`s disappearance. It was not unwarranted whatsoever.

And you know -- and being dismissed in New York, it was on a procedure ruling.  Here again, jurisdiction.  We have faced that issue since May 30 of 2005.  Jurisdiction and extradition hve hit us in the face every time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html

 
Homeland Security?
 
Does Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez have his Eye on Aruba? Talk about bad for their Economy
 
If anyone wants to wonder why the US government never got more involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and why they did not take Aruba to task, they need only to look to the unstable leader of Venezuela for their answer. Hugo’s actions directly affect American's homeland security decisions.

Posted February 23, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/23/does-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez-have-his-eye-on-aruba-talk-about-bad-for-their-economy/

s.t.

Joran’s Guardian Angel: ‘Mr. Van Der Sloot Will Present His Thesis Of Peace To The Peruvian People And The World’

In light of Wednesday's confession to the murder of Stephany Flores, Joran van der Sloot now faces a prison sentence that could be far less than if he had gone to trial, but his self-professed "guardian angel" wants him to be released all together, claiming that in 2022 Joran will be presenting “his thesis of peace to the world.”

Mary Hamer, of Lake City, Florida, who has been paying the Dutchman's legal fees during his incarceration in Lima's Castro Castro prison, wrote a letter of appeal on Thursday to Peruvian President Ollanta Humala asking for Joran to be placed in her care.

"My humble request for clemency and mercy for honest and sincere statement of confession of Joran van der Sloot. Please release Mr. van der Sloot to me for 10 years Gandhi Nonviolence Program," wrote Hamer, in Spanish.

"In 2022, Mr. van der Sloot will present his thesis of peace to the Peruvian people and the world."

 ::snipping2::

Joran’s Guardian Angel: ‘Mr. Van Der Sloot Will Present His Thesis Of Peace To The Peruvian People And The World’Joran’s Guardian Angel: ‘Mr. Van Der Sloot Will Present His Thesis Of Peace To The Peruvian People And The World’ 18 25

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Posted on Jan 12, 2012 @ 12:30PM   print it send it
PolarisBy Debbie Emery - Radar Reporter

In light of Wednesday's confession to the murder of Stephany Flores, Joran van der Sloot now faces a prison sentence that could be far less than if he had gone to trial, but his self-professed "guardian angel" wants him to be released all together, claiming that in 2022 Joran will be presenting “his thesis of peace to the world.”

Mary Hamer, of Lake City, Florida, who has been paying the Dutchman's legal fees during his incarceration in Lima's Castro Castro prison, wrote a letter of appeal on Thursday to Peruvian President Ollanta Humala asking for Joran to be placed in her care.

"My humble request for clemency and mercy for honest and sincere statement of confession of Joran van der Sloot. Please release Mr. van der Sloot to me for 10 years Gandhi Nonviolence Program," wrote Hamer, in Spanish.

EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS: Joran Van Der Sloot's Bloody Clothing

"In 2022, Mr. van der Sloot will present his thesis of peace to the Peruvian people and the world."

As RadarOnline.com previously reported, the Florida-based radiologist believes that van der Sloot was suffering from post traumatic stress disorder when he killed Flores in a hotel room on May 30, 2010, the five-year anniversary of the date an Alabama teen went missing in Aruba, for which van der Sloot was arrested twice in connection with, but never charged.

PHOTOS: Joran Van Der Sloot In Custody

In another startling message, Hamer asks the Peruvian president if there is a plot to kill 24-year-old Joran before he is sentenced.

"Is it true that a prison official INPE Castro ordered the assassination of Joran Van der Sloot on Friday January 13 to January 17?" she wrote in an e-mail that she then sent to RadarOnline.com.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-guardian-angel-appeal-release-prison-assassination-plot

 ::snipping2::

Hamer traveled to Lima in December and was able to visit the prison on one occasion, but was turned away on the following days. She pays for van der Sloot’s legal fees and sends him money regularly, although today she sent an email to a handful of journalists in which she demanded that Jimenez reimburse the money she had put forward for what she calls “bail”—except van der Sloot was never given a bail option. She may be referring to the civil reparation fine, which matches the amount she wired. In all exchanges, van der Sloot used an email address in the name of Sidney Ewing. Hamer was unavailable for comment.

 ::snipping2::


Today’s local news reported that van der Sloot enjoys “special privileges” behind bars, specifically a 42-inch television, a Wii or Nintendo game system, and a cellphone with Internet connection.
After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores. Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

 ::snipping2::

Despite the long sentence, of which van der Sloot has already served two years, about a dozen Peruvians rallied outside the courthouse, shouting, “Let him rot! Life imprisonment!” One sign read: “JVDS if you had committed this crime in the U.S., you would have gotten the electric chair.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/13/van-der-sloot-gets-28-years-for-murder-in-peru.html

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/11/van-der-sloot-pleads-guilty-to-killing-peru-woman/

(http://cdn2.dailycaller.com/2012/01/a3df4169c5fc487f88c4b75f63040db9.jpg)

Men protest against Joran van der Sloot outside San Pedro prison where his murder trial is held in Lima, Peru, Wednesday Jan. 11, 2012. Van der Sloot pleaded guilty on Wednesday to the 2010 murder of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman he met at a Lima casino who was killed five years to the day of the unsolved disappearance in Aruba of an American teen in which he remains the main suspect. (AP Photo/Karel Navarro)

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/11/van-der-sloot-pleads-guilty-to-killing-peru-woman/#ixzz1jSuvtDLM

Could it be that the reason The Passive Personality Principle has not be invoked in the Natalee Holloway case is the same reason that the Phil McGraw's defence attorneys are not being afforded documentation in the defamation lawsuit?  The reason?  The Natalee Holloway case is not officially closed.

Janet

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This video is intersesting as it has a caption in one part that says "Van Der Sloot Cell" and they start showing the TV, DVD, and many messages on an iPhone between Sidney/Urine and Mary.  Just wish I could understand what they are saying. 

http://www.tvo-peru.com/2012/01/13/indignante-joran-van-der-sloot-tiene-privilegios-en-la-carcel/

To avoid an outside investigation ... somehow I do not believe that Aruba is ever going to officially close the Natalee Holloway case.  It will be classified as forever ongoing/open.

Janet

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When the Case is Closed

Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005

<snipped>

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: Well, the way the system works down here, when the case is closed, we will have all that information, and we can release it to the world.

<snipped

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 12/2/2005 10:37:47 AM ET

ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: There's a lot that Americans can do through the State Department. I want to remind everybody that Natalee Holloway was a U.S. citizen. Once the Aruban authorities are done investigating this case, the FBI can still conduct an investigation, and they could extradite these suspects to the United States. Let me point out that there's a ton of circumstantial evidence in this case to convict these kids.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


DANA PRETZER
July 2, 2006 - Part 1
July 8, 2006 - Part 2

Art Wood:

The family of Natalee needs to put pressure on the US attorney in Birmingham to push the FBI to conduct an investigation after ALE close the case. We have a treaty that allows the FBI to pursue a violation of civil rights of an American citizen there.

s.t.

 ::snipping2::

They pointed out that would have a cell phone with Internet access to chat with friends through the account "Sidney Ewing" and in the emails you receive from your lawyer Luis Jimenez.

 In an email from his lawyer, it is clear that the U.S. citizen Mary Hamer, benefactor of Van der Sloot, Jimenez asked to return the $ 74 000 for bail, after learning the outcome of the process. In addition, e-mails also show the contract to rent an apartment in the district of Magdalena, conducted by Van der Sloot from prison. Today will be handed his sentence for the murder of the young Stephany Flores occurred in May 2010.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.tvo-peru.com/2012/01/13/indignante-joran-van-der-sloot-tiene-privilegios-en-la-carcel/

I guess he did rent an apt if they found the contract on his iPhone   ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deeds/201201/joran-casey-and-psychopathic-narcissism-forensic-commentary?page=3
Joran, Casey and Psychopathic Narcissism: A Forensic Commentary
What do Casey Anthony and Joran van der Sloot have in common?
Published on January 13, 2012 by Dr. Stephen A. Diamond, Ph.D. in Evil Deeds

Jan 13, 2012
Joran Van der Sloot gets 28 years for Peru killing

<snipped>

The victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the verdict that Van der Sloot was enjoying favorable conditions in a Lima prison, where he has been living apart from the general population and foreigners with money can buy superior treatment, the Associated Press reports.

"A jail isn't a 5-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Let's hope the authorities take that into account and not just in our case."

"Since the first day we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" that Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail. He said he would present evidence of this at a news conference on Monday.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-gets-xx-year-sentence-for-peru-killing/1?csp=34news

Screen Capture of the contract to rent an Apt.  I underlined his name and the fact he lives in Castro Castro   ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss174/northernrose/image1-1.jpg)

http://www.tvo-peru.com/2012/01/13/indignante-joran-van-der-sloot-tiene-privilegios-en-la-carcel/

(http://www.tvo-peru.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/joran-online.jpg)

http://www.tvo-peru.com/2012/01/13/indignante-joran-van-der-sloot-tiene-privilegios-en-la-carcel/

 
 ::snipping2::
The benefits that the Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot in his cell of the Miguel Castro Castro, has aroused the indignation of many as they believe it is a mockery of the judicial system of our country and therefore the murderer of Stephanie Flores looks calm and unconcerned.

 However, his lawyer defended him and reported that Van der Sloot made ​​a statement asking for input of the equipment. "All prisoners have the same," he said. However, the Dutch monetary transactions using your cell phone, and so pays the rent in Magdalena department for $ 1500 a month.

 One of his lawyers, Maximum Highness said that since the Dutch were seeking their freedom from excess jail terms, had the legal address requirement and due to its status as a foreigner, had to submit the lease of a department to enforce your request.

 In addition, HRH reported that the Van der Sloot's benefactor, Mary Hammer, has requested his services for another lawyer to sue the Dutch for fraud because he had given $ 80,000 bail for the confessed murderer of Stephanie Flores, but before reading sentencing, demands his money back.

 Through social networks, Joran Van der Sloot also maintains contact with friends and family, send them pictures of him in jail and up to a dog and a cat that pets be in prison. The victim's father, businessman Ricardo Flores, has publicly called for the judiciary deprived of these privileges to Joran Van der Sloot "to benefit the country."

http://www.americatv.com.pe/portal/programas/entretenimiento/magazin/las-11-empieza-la-noche/multimedia/130112-las-11-los-privilegios-d

Wonder who is looking after his pet dog and cat now that they moved him?

The reason I heard on one of the talk shows is because now she has been declared legally dead.  Before she was missing & presumed dead.

He had a dog & cat in Castro Castro?  I wonder how the pets ever survived?

I wonder WHY he rented an apartment, and HOW he can afford it/  Maybe Mary Hamer is relocating!

I am outraged that he has a cell phone and a computer and all these other perks!  It must be a hoax of some sort, especially since he just changed prisons and is supposedly in observation to determine classification.

If he had TV, computer, pets, etc - what kind of prison is this place?  What did they do? Hook up the U-Haul and move all his stuff?

I'm looking forward to Mr Flores press conference on Monday to hear more.  Anyone know what time and will it be covered live on any US TV station?

The cat and dog are reported in the article a few posts above.

I think this is his new home

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVI7bsJTcRo&feature=player_embedded#!

 ::snipping2::

The mail traffic shows that the aunt's money for his deposit back and demands that Joran from his cell a lease for an apartment close. Furthermore, they found his phone also pictures of ex-girlfriends to.

 ::snipping2::


http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/2161/Zaak-Holloway/article/detail/1378499/2012/01/13/Joran-van-der-Sloot-heeft-iPhone-42-inch-LCD-tv-en-internet-in-zijn-cel.dhtml

I watched one of the videos showing the pics of ex-girlfriends on the cell phone.  I think one of them is Fabienne Maessen, the blonde from Spring Break on the Marriott Beach.

Man, it just gets more and more bizarre!

He's lucky they didn't have him on a bread and water diet!

I'm glad Mr Flores is stepping up to the plate and bringing attention to this.

http://pulitzerandthompson.com/joran-van-der-sloots-never-before-seen-psych-report/

(http://pulitzerandthompson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Joran-in-court-multimedia-box.jpg)

Joran van der Sloot’s Never Before Seen Psych Report

On Friday the 13th, 2012, Van der Sloot was sentenced to a prison term of twenty-eight years. How much time he actually serves is now up to Peruvian prison officials. Under the Peruvian system he could be eligible for release in as little as ten years.

When Joran does eventually come up for parole we can only hope the Peruvian authorities will take into account Joran’s never before released psychiatric report. A report which clearly indicates Van der Sloot is a menace to society who should never be free to kill again.

Our hearts and prayers are with the Flores and Holloway families.

What follows is the full psychiatric exam taken just days after Van der Sloot’s arrest for a chilling murder that rocked the world. The report was obtained exclusively by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson while researching the book Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru and the Natalee Holloway Mystery.

http://pulitzerandthompson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Joran-van-der-Sloot-psych-report-page-one.jpg

Joran van der Sloot Psych Report:

Peruvian National Police Department (DIRINCRI)

Psychological Report

A.  Origin:  DIRINCRI PNP

 B.  Background :  #2103-10 DIRINCRI Homicide Division

 C.  Exam

1)  NAME :  Joran Petrus van der Sloot 22

2) REASON:  He is implicated in the alleged crime against the life, body and health of Stephany Flores 21.  Body found on June 2nd at aprox 4:40 am inside room 309 of the Hotel Tac.

3) PLACE AND DATE Division of Homicide June 7th 2010

4) METHOD  Psychological interview, Mental exam, Psychological tests

 D.  Results

1)   Description of the physical appearance and attitude of the examinee

The examinee presents himself as a detainee in regular state of physical cleanliness and appearance.  Light skinned, of white race, tall in stature, slim, hair neatly cut and dyed blonde.  Has a tattoo in the Thai language that translated means “No problem,” in the left pectoral muscle.  His facial expression reflects serenity and stiffness, at times pensive and introspective, his gaze is fixed and sad, but making eye contact.  The language comprehensible, although at times it is difficult because of the translation into Spanish.  His accent being that of a foreigner.  His posture is somewhat stooped, his walk coordinated without any visible physical disorder.

During the evaluation he looks tense and preoccupied, he seems passive, communicative, accessible and given to dialogue, on occasion he is anxious moving his lower extremities constantly, and exhibiting a tremor in his hands.  He recounts the events of the investigation coherently, responding clearly to the questions asked  and accepting  the blame for the criminal events for which he is being investigated; however from time to time (beginning of aggression) offers answers in his favor, where it can be perceived the incoherence between the statement and his emotional responses, which reflects the hiding of information. While offering information of his family life he turns volatile and cries, showing that he is affected by the consequences of his legal situation. He assists partially with the process of the psychological examination.

2. Verbatim account of the reason for his detention

“I met Stephany on May 28th at the Atlantic City casino at approximately 6pm, she approached me, I was playing poker, she knew there was a Dutchman, she said ‘You are the Dutchman that plays poker.  I am a poker amateur.’  I had bought a telephone chip in Wong and we exchanged telephone numbers, I chatted with her for a while, five minutes and she said, ‘Tomorrow I am going to call you to do something together’ and the following day she called me in the morning of May 29th, and she said, ‘I am going to have coffee and I am going to play poker.’  I said I’ll see you later, and around 6pm I went to the Atlantic City Casino alone, from 6pm until two in the morning  I was playing blackjack and I went upstairs to the poker game and Stephany arrived at the table where I was playing, I spoke with her and she asked me if I had a girlfriend and I told her that I am single and she said ‘I have a girl, I am a lesbian,’  I said, it doesn’t matter, in Holland I have homosexual friends, lesbians, afterwards I said to her let’s go to my room to play poker on my laptop, I had drank whisky cola at the Atlantic City Casino, later on I drank 4 or 5 pisco sours, I don’t know if she drank a lot, but she did drink wine.  We were there up until 5:30 in the morning.  After playing poker the two of us lost $1,000 USD, which is not a lot of money, I had arrived with money in cash, on May 28th I won $1,500.  We went to the room, she went of her own accord, we entered the room and we sat on the bed, I opened my Facebook account and I had received a message where they said, ‘I’m going to kill you,’ It was because of the Aruba case, they insulted me, there were always those messages and I was chatting with Stephany, telling her about the Aruba case, that I hadn’t done anything wrong, and at a certain point I reacted with a strike on the nose (he makes a gesture with his elbow) and there was a lot of blood and I struck her head against the wall and I didn’t know what I was thinking.  I had n impulsive reaction, she struck first with her hand on my head (he closes his hand forming a fist) and we began hitting each other, she had strength or she was strong, then I grabbed her from the neck (he shows with his hands that he grabs her tightly about the neck) and she bled a lot.  I didn’t want to see a lot of blood and I wanted to remove the sheet, and I was a little frightened, blood spilled on my clothing and I covered her face, I do not remember what she was saying, she began to breath heavily and I took her pants off and I covered her face, until I couldn’t hear anything else, I changed my t-shirt, I didn’t take a shower, I took her keys and her cards and money that there was, 850 soles, I left the room and I saw a person and I said nothing, I wanted to leave that place, I left in the car, I don’t know the streets of Lima, I wanted to go as far as possible, I left the car anywhere, I threw the keys and the cards away in a garbage bin, I paid for a cab and I went to the airport, but I was afraid and I went to a bus company, then I asked a cabbie to take me to another city, farther away and in the direction of Chile.”

“I left the hotel at eight am more or less, I was with Stephany for two hours, we went to my room as friends, nothing about sexual relations.”

3. Relevant data of his personal history

Born in Holland, Aug 6th 1987.  The eldest of three brothers.

The family is comprised of his father who was Paul van der Sloot, a judge in Aruba (deceased) His mother Anita van der Sloot, professor, the family relationship was good, he remembers that there was better communication with his father than with his mother, he travelled frequently to different countries with his parents and brothers.  His brothers are Valentino (19) and Sebastian (15), he was closer to the youngest brother and as he remembers he turns unstable.  He does not manifest any violence or maltreatment on the part of his family.

He lived with his parents until age 17, when he was accused of the death of a young woman in Aruba and after three months, the time that it took to process the investigation, of which he was absolved, he traveled to Holland with views to “forget the events, especially the time he spent in prison,” resides there for two years, while he studies international business, and receiving 800 Euros per month from the Dutch government, however he indicates that “I didn’t take my studies very seriously,” playing poker instead, tennis, and enjoying himself.  Also indicated that he did not have any productive activities that would have helped in his personal development.

He abandons Holland because he is filmed through a hidden camera in an interview with a “friend” about the death of the girl in Aruba, which is then broadcast on Dutch TV, which was the reason he traveled to Thailand, where he resided until Feb of 2010 in that country he had a restaurant were pizza and coffee were sold   across from the university; said business was left in the care of a friend, in exchange for a rent of $1,500 USD, in Feb of 2010 he comes back to Aruba due to his father’s death and to keep his mother company.

School, indicates having been a good student, restless as a child, but doing well in school.  He reports not having skipped school, because his school was private and everything was communicated to the parents.  He did not have fights with his friends or problems with his teachers.  His schoolwork was good, for which he was accepted to several universities in the United States, but he had to reject those due to the problem of the girl who disappeared in Aruba.

He reports having masturbated since he was 14 years old, which was done alone or with his male friends, watching porn videos on the Internet, on only one instance a male friend gave him oral sex.  At age 14 he had his first girlfriends and his first sexual experience, the relationship lasted for a year and a half. He has had two girlfriends and several casual relationships for short periods of time; it wasn’t difficult to establish relationships. Nowadays he masturbates two to three times a week.  He doesn’t exhibit sexual problems.  His girlfriend in Thailand liked to use sex toys and objects.

In reference to work, he has not had a stable job, until two and a half years ago when he opened his business in Thailand (pizza and coffee).

He has consumed alcohol since he was 18.  When in prison in Aruba he used marijuana; said consumption has become more frequent; after his father’s death alcohol consumption has increased; in Peru he drank whisky cola and pisco sours almost daily.  He says he uses marijuana “when I don’t want to think.  It hardens me. It does not make me sentimental.”

He reports to be a person who enjoys sports such as tennis and soccer; as well as poker, a game that in some instances has made him a lot of money, and also “cheating” in the company of his friends.

In addition, he indicates that when he agreed to interviews he would charge between fifty and one hundred thousand dollars.

4  Evaluation of cognitive functions:

Consciousness level  Lucid and conscience of time, place and person

Attention and concentration level:  Slightly diminished due to current stress

Memory  Intact

Language:  Exhibits difficulty in expressing himself in the Spanish language, however, he is understood with adequate association of ideas.

Thought process : Logical and coherent.  His thought process is abstract, he is capable of conceptualizing and perceiving stimuli beyond what is concrete and evident.

Social judgment:  Exhibits normal capacity to analyze and solve common situations of everyday life, proceeding in an impulsive manner when confronted with conflict or unpleasant situations, as well as driven by his personal satisfaction and fancies.

Cultural and intellectual level: He exhibits an information and general cultural level that corresponds to his instruction level (superior incomplete international business). Average intellectual level, with the potential to broaden his intellectual efficiency

5.  Personality traits and characteristics

He faces regular stimuli with anxiety and insecurity, he strives to control, however, when he recalls the family unit he tends to become emotional and cries.

He is sociable and finds it easy to establish interpersonal relationships through friendly and charismatic conduct in order to captivate others, even though he can be indifferent when it comes to the well being of others; has the capacity to maintain a fraudulent social style, because of this he constantly watches out for only his own personal gain.

He exhibits a deficient social conscience as is observed through the violation of rules and the involvement in actions that affect others, without regard for the rights of others, looking only to satisfy his own interests (Money), and through withholding of information and/or distortion of facts in order to project a good self image.

He leans towards social irresponsibility, the absence of achievement and the enjoyment of superficial activities, games of chance, and in general a libertine lifestyle.

He has low tolerance for frustration, does not tolerate inconveniences, he resents and offends easily, which engenders a feeling of revenge.   If the situation calls for it he resorts to verbal and physical aggression when necessary.

He is prone to emotional immaturity, he shows sudden changes in behavior, from simple irony, impatience, and impulsive mordacity, indignation, excessive irritability and incontrollable emotions, that makes him prone to behavior that is excessively aggressive, without regard to injury of third parties, because he rarely complies with established rules of reason and prudence.

He identifies with his masculine role.  Exhibits certain dominance over the opposite sex, minimizing and devaluing the feminine image.

E: Conclusions

Joran van der Sloot (22) at the time of this exam does not exhibit psychopathological disorders, which would impede his ability to evaluate reality.

Exhibits an average intellectual level, which potentially could broaden his intellectual efficiency.  The examinee presents an anti-social personality characterized by the ease with which he establishes superficial interpersonal relationships, indifference when it comes to others’ well being and the capacity to maintain a fraudulent social style; deficient social conscience that shows in the violation of rules and the mixing in events that affect others’ rights, looking only to advance his own interests.  He shows social irresponsibility, the enjoyment of superficial activities, in general a libertine and hedonistic lifestyle in search of new sensations in order to be stimulated. Low tolerance to frustration, unable to stand inconveniences and a tendency to generate a vengeful attitude.  Emotionally immature which prompts sudden changes in his behavior that can go from simple criticism, to out of control emotions, which make him prone to commit acts against the lives of others.  Shows certain dominance over the opposite sex with the devaluation of the feminine figure.
-Lima, June 7, 2010

Interview conducted by: Silvia Rojas Regalado, Forensic Psychologist with the Peruvian National Police (Also a professor at the Escuela Iberoamericana de Desarrollo Social)

   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Now why would he lie about that when it would be so easy for them to figure that one out?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::boxingjoran::

The monster deserves to go to the prison San Juan de lurigancho!!!

that document must have something fishy.....the rent for a house in Magdalena del mar can't go more that 500 dollars... ::MonkeyNoNo::

From the psych report:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12557.msg1503299#msg1503299

 ::snipping2::


 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

For what?  Just for being a student?  That's about a thousand dollars a month!

Geez! 

Absolved of the investigation...

O M G

I need to quit reading. 

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::boxingjoran:: ::MonkeyMad::

Thanks texasmom!


I'm sure glad the forensic psychologist cleared up that part about Joran and his lil' buddies gathering together in the guest house to have 'sword fights'. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I could have gone the rest of my life without suffering that visual.

...and they wonder why he has a tremor in his hands. Creep! ::snipping2:: ::boxingjoran::

THANK YOU CARPE, I needed that!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sword fights...   ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyKiss::   ::monkeywine2::

In all exchanges, van der Sloot used an email address in the name of Sidney Ewing
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$1,000 USD is not a lot of money?  He murdered and robbed Stephany for less than that!!

How dare he cry for himself when he thinks of his family unit.  He had no regard for what he did to Natalee's, Stephany's and his own family.  What a POS!

http://pulitzerandthompson.com/will-joran-van-der-sloot-return-to-us-to-face-trial/

Will Joran van der Sloot return to US to face trial?

Last night, before appearing on the Dr. Drew Show on HLN I had a chance to speak with John Q. Kelly, the attorney for the mother of Natalee Holloway.

Kelly, a no-nonsense and brilliant former Federal prosecutor, filled me in on a plan to return Joran to the US to face wire fraud and extortion charges related to the Dutchman’s alleged attempt to sell the location of Natalee’s body for $250,000.

According to Kelly a plan is already in the works to bring Van der Sloot to Alabama within the next several months. Kelly told me that after the US trial and hopeful conviction on charges carrying a sentence of thirty years, he would then be returned to Peruvian custody.

I have to admit the plan seemed a little hair-brained when I first heard of it, but then I thought of the William Trickett Smith case. Smith is an American accused of murdering his wife in Peru. The US sent Smith back to Peru after authorities here felt Peru had accumulated enough evidence for a conviction. After all our two countries do have extradition treaties.

It is Kelly’s hope that after a trial in Alabama, van der Sloot would be sent back to Peru to serve his entire sentence there. That’s fifty-eight years in prison folks.

Whether this plan will pan out remains to be seen. But it would explain the calm demeanor of Stephany’s father, Ricardo Flores, in court during Van der Sloot’s sentencing. Was he aware of a secret legal strategy that could have Joran in prison for the rest of his life?

It is a lot of money to me.

But I'm not so sure that the amount Joran admits having taken from Stephany is ALL that he got.

I think if the case had gone to trial the testimony of one of Stephany's friends may have been that Stephany had a lot more money on her than that; and it was not recovered in the room or in her vehicle.

I think there are still a lot of unanswered questions about the whole thing.  Several I can think of anyway...

jmo

TexasMom~

How did you come up with the 58 year figure and are you suggesting JVS could possibly complete the US sentence in Peru?  ::bananadance::

$1000 USD is a lot of money to me too!  IIRC, it was said on TV, that he allegedly told the translator after his original confession that he got $5000. Of course that could have been a braggadocio exaggeration. If not, what did he do with the money as it was not on him when he was arrested?  The money was not in the car when it was found either, but the car was found in a low rent district and could have been vandalized before it was located.  Another mystery we will probably never know the truth of.

So in essence, he murdered her and robbed her for about $300 USD. And he considers $1000 USD not a lot of money.  Clearly he had no value for Stephany's life.

Perhaps...?

28 years for Stephany's murder

plus

25 years for wire fraud and extortion in Alabama

equals

53 years

Oops, reread the original

28 years for murder
+
30 years for wire fraud and extortion (I had heard 25 years, but the article says 30 yrs)
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58 years

The information about the 58 years was from Cole Thompson and Lisa Pulitzer's website about the book they co-authored.

http://pulitzerandthompson.com/will-joran-van-der-sloot-return-to-us-to-face-trial/



But...58 years sounds good to me too!   ::MonkeyCool::

All jmo...

I don't think all of his time on the run is accounted for; or where some of his belongings ended up.  I think there's a whole night that he spent somewhere...and we don't know where that was.

We know he was in contact with his mother by her own admissions.

I think this is a relative of Anita's in Santiago, Chile.  I connected her and other relatives to Anita through facebook a while back.  I wish I had my research more organized, but there is so much of it...

http://www.facebook.com/celestedenboer

There are also other Aruban friends of the Van der Sloot's that have connections in the area in Chile that Joran seemed to be trying to get to...so I think there are a lot of possibilities; that we may never know the whole truth about.

This map was in his backpack when he was arrested:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06062010_Santiago.jpg)


This post shows more of the family relations, it's the one I could find quickly...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.msg1330375#msg1330375

I don't get the part about bail and why Mary Hamer paid the lawyer the money for bail and why an apartment was rented in Joran's name. it all makes no sense. Unless he was going to plead not guily thinking he would be released until trial. Or she was spun that tale.
Mary must be an easlily hooped person with too much spare change around.
Was she in Peru during the trial ?
Why would she pick him to rehabilitate ?  Plenty of persons in her own backyard who could have used the help, like parents who have sick kids or geeze, cat shelters.
Ghandi and Joran in the same sentence, crazy-axxed thinking, she must have some other agenda to do with her healing powers.

Thank you for the link!!

Kat_Gram

I am somewhat confused too.

Could it be that Joran's attorney was anticipating his client's release from Peruvian lockup on the 18 month deadline at the beginning of December to serve the month prior to trial in an apartment?  Considering Joran is obviously a flight risk ... could it be that bail would of been required ... bail that Mary Hamer was willing to post?

Janet

++++

Original murder charge against van der Sloot will stand
November 22, 2011

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Meanwhile, van der Sloot's lawyer said that he plans to file a motion with the court, requesting his client be set free.

As of early next month, van der Sloot will have spent 18 months in Peruvian prison. Jimenez will argue that under Peruvian law, it is considered excessive imprisonment when a person has been jailed for more than 18 months without having had his day in court.

"The delay is not his fault. We have been acting in good faith. He has been cooperating with the authorities. And they still don't have a translator," said Jimenez.

It will be up to the court to decide whether van der Sloot is freed. Because of the case's complexity, a judge could rule to keep him behind bars. Once Jimenez presents his habeas corpus motion, a panel of judges will meet to interview van der Sloot and make a determination.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/22/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/

Published on : 11 January 2012 - 5:00pm
Guardian angel pulls out

The woman known as Joran van der Sloot's guardian angel, US radiologist Mary Hamer, has said she wants her money back. Hamer spent 75,000 dollars trying to get Van der Sloot released on bail, because she is convinced that he is innocent. With the chance of bail gone after Van der Sloot's murder confession, the American doctor has asked Joran van der Sloot, his mother and his lawyers for a full refund.

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/joran-van-der-sloot-pleads-guilty-flores-murder

Thanks for the info. You're right, he had opportunity to pass it off to someone, stash it somewhere, even wire it to someone.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Something else I heard was that allegedly in his possessions were maps of the tides around Peru.  If that is true, that seems very telling to me.  Sounds like he might have been considering burying Stephanie at sea ala' shades of Natalee.  Only he didn't have any posse or Daddy to help him.  Any info on that?

Kat_Gram

Could it be that a Peruvian panel of judges did comply with Joran's attorney habeas corpus motion and ... Joran was quietly released on bail and spent the month prior to the trial at a rented apartment?

Could this be the revelation that Ricardo Flores is about to release on Monday in regards to his investigation encompassing the privileges afforded Joran by the Peruvian prison system?

Could it be I should just go back into the living room and finish watching Kung Fu Panda II with hubby and the grandkids?

Good Night

Janet
9:45 PM PT

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Original murder charge against van der Sloot will stand
November 22, 2011

<snipped>

It will be up to the court to decide whether van der Sloot is freed. Because of the case's complexity, a judge could rule to keep him behind bars. Once Jimenez presents his habeas corpus motion, a panel of judges will meet to interview van der Sloot and make a determination.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/22/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot/

Letter to aunt Joran Joran is angry with his aunt Mary Hammer. This he writes in a letter our team in Lima with his consent should have been allowed to see and photograph. From this letter, written on January 13, 2012, also shows that Joran would appeal against the ruling of the court. He was in Lima Friday to 28 years in prison convicted of the murder of Stephany Flores.

 Joran writes:

 "Mary,

 I want you to know that my satisfaction with Mr. Jimenez and his work. We will appeal against the ruling and it will be less. Plus, remember that in Peru only 1 / 3 of your sentence having to sit. You will always have a place in my heart, but what you doing to me now I do not understand. Why do you hurt me? In all that time that I know, I never expected of you. I asked Mr. Jimenez, the money you sent me is not to your return. He wanted to send it right back when you were asked. I want to share with you a statement: "Do not wait for the Last Judgement, it happens every day." You will always have a place in my heart, but what you did is not something I can handle. I love you, but I have so much pain that you can not imagine. Give me the time, until it is over. I am being punished because I had a phone, because you emails sent me to the press. I still can not believe it, but you got me worried more problems than you can imagine, and my fellow prisoners feel the situation. I am exhausted and am now trying to sleep. I hope everything is well with you and I wish you nothing but the best.

 Lovingly, Joran "

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/top-nieuws/2012/brief-joran-aan-suikertante/

Images of the letter at link. There is one line he has crossed out I am trying to figure out what was there. How does he know that Sugar Mary sent the emails to the press? 

Even better question, how did the Dutch media get the letter and "his consent should have been allowed to see and photograph".  I thought he was in an observation ward by himself until they evaluate where to put him?

In the letter Urine wrote- I want to share with you a statement: "Do not wait for the Last Judgement, it happens every day."

The statement is actually a quote from the book called The Fall.

The Fall (French: La Chute) is a philosophical novel written by Albert Camus. First published in 1956, it is his last complete work of fiction. Set in Amsterdam, The Fall consists of a series of dramatic monologues by the self-proclaimed "judge-penitent" Jean-Baptiste Clamence, as he reflects upon his life to a stranger. In what amounts to a confession, Clamence tells of his success as a wealthy Parisian defense lawyer who was highly respected by his colleagues; his crisis, and his ultimate "fall" from grace, was meant to invoke, in secular terms, The Fall of Man in the Garden of Eden. The Fall explores themes of innocence, imprisonment, non-existence, and truth.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fall_(Albert_Camus_novel)

Oh, I like this.  He's caused problems for the other prisoners.  Translating to - he's no longer a golden boy in prison.  The other prisoners don't like him causing problems for them, even if at a different prison. Hmmm, he may be facing "bubba-hermano" and/or a shiv sooner than later.

Dutchman sought by police in Thailand gets 28 years in jail in Peru

 ::snipping2::

During his stay in Bangkok in 2008, police, in addition suspecting Van Der Sloot of sex trafficking, also wanted to question him over the disappearance of several young Thai women.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.phuketgazette.net/archives/articles/2012/article12007.html

OMG - I just found this on the internet too!  I knew it!!  We ALL knew it!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::  We sure did wonder this all along!!!

Looks like the cows are coming home!   ::CowWave:: ::CowWave:: ::CowWave:: ::CowWave:: ::boxingjoran::

Anita and Aruba must be very proud of there international serial killer!

I hope he never sets foot out of another prison again except to shuffle into another.

Thanks for that article, NorthernRose. Typical Joran!

All of his problems... always  the other person's fault. Nat had to die because she made him mad. Same thing with Stephany. He lied and extorted money from Beth... because she and Dave had been 'meanies' to him for 5 years. Now, Mary you can't have your money back because you've hurt Joran. (by paying for his cell phone & decking out his cell with loads of cool stuff none of the other prisoners have a prayer of getting)

That is his big brush off to her. She'll probably never be acknowledged by him again.

He's going to be defiant and appeal. (Just like Paulus always taught him to - and because those tactics always worked in Aruba)

...and he's already looking for loopholes like 1/3 of prison time.

Joran will never stop being Joran.

Good thing the FBI charged him with two distinct separate crimes.

1. Extortion = 20 years

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 95 > § 1951
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§ 1951. Interference with commerce by threats or violence

2. Bank fraud = 30 years

§ 1344. Bank fraud

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http://media.al.com/bn/other/Affidavit%20in%20U.S.%20government%20extortion%20case%20against%20Joran%20van%20der%20Sloot.pdf
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I think he will come to the US... and I think he will have a lot more years added. The days of being terrorized by 'Joran the Pud'

are OVER. ...AND DANG IT MARY, if you would stop sending him your 401K, perhaps he would be stuck writing his notes with a crayon?

 ::monkeywine2::

So, she sent the money right to Joran. Think she will see five cents ? Probably used it for drugs and ppker in jail and gave some to his lawyer for an Appeal. 
I too have to maybe go study Max and Ruby or Beauty and the Beast.
.............
So the other prisoners got wind of the windfall and want a cut ? And he gets to sleep with one eye open ? She gives him the money and she caused the problem.

Hey Mary, adopt me. I am an orphan and all of my aunties and uncles have passed. Almost eveyone is gone. And I would ne nice and appreciate you.   

Carpe, you are a scream and very entertaining.  I have insomnia tonite. All quiet here, except for me laffing.

Aruba really screwed their own pooch when they chose to protect this fledgling international serial killer. It will be interesting to see how they spin this one!

I wonder if she will still believe her "Buddha/Gandhi" is worth saving once she finds out about Thailand.  She ought to be glad he's locked up, and didn't get a chance to kill her too!

Technically, Mary is another victim of Joran the Pud.

She defended him publically, visited him numerous times, supported him emotionally and fianancially.

To the world, she looked like a fool.

Now, she's out $74,000.00 and wants it back.

I wonder what finally sunk in for her to realize what she was doing was a waste of time and effort?

I'm amazed she was that intelligent to have had that much money to put up for him, and stoopid enough to squander it away on him.

Oh well.  Live and Learn, I guess.

new calling cards for Aruba's new claim to fame

(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/onehappyisland.jpg)

Notification of a Defense Fund for Joran in 2006

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Natalee%20Holloway%20-Aruba%20---%20Stephany%20Flores%20-Peru/jorantacopinadefensefund.jpg)

More from Thailand

Thai police investigating jailed Dutchman
Associated Content

Law enforcement officials in Thailand have been investigating 22-year-old Dutch national Joran Van Der Sloot’s connection with sex trafficking and the possible disappearance of several young Thai women in 2008.

According to Thai police sources, several young women went missing while Van Der Sloot resided in Bangkok in 2008. The police are investigating to see if he may have been involved.
There is no indication as yet whether any of the trafficked women were from Phuket.

Van Der Sloot is currently in a Peruvian prison after being arrested last month on suspicion of murdering 21-year-old Stepahnie Flores Ramirez in May.

He had set up shop in Bangkok after Aruban authorities failed to charge him in the disappearance of 18-year-old Alabama high school student Natalee Holloway.

Although arrested twice, Van Der Sloot was released both times due to lack of evidence.

http://www.phuketgazette.net/archives/articles/2010/article8942.html

Just my opinion, the crosses out part of the Joran letter says: I will make sure you get it (back asap?).
The first part seems readable, I will make sure you get it
the "back asap" part is what I see. Others might see something different.
Makes since why he would cross that part off, he isnt returning money to anyone

This might answer your question, Northern Rose.

Google translation

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlboulevard/crime/articleview/)/components/actueel/rtlboulevard/2012/01_januari/crime/joran_boze_brief_suikertante.xml

 ::snipping2::  The letter was photographed with his permission by Heart of the Netherlands, in Lima when the team was to report on his trial. The Dutchman was on Friday sentenced to 28 years imprisonment for the murder of Peruvian millionaire daughter Stephany Flores.
 ::snipping2::

I've been looking at the line he crossed out and I think it says:

"I will make sure you get it back, asap."

Guessing on the "asap", I can only really see the "p".

She'd better not count on it.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

jmo

Good Morning Monkeys,
I think that this crazy woman and Mr. Jimenez were trying to buy the judges but it didn't happen. Joran expenses don't justify the 74,000 dollars. I bet they tried to buy the judges before his sentence but it didn't work out!! i noticed that bc the judges were women. In Peru women are considered not easy to be corrupted. Now she is claiming that she didn't expected that sentence? why was she expecting? what was she told? that the judges will be paid for a reduced sentence? more emails to come ..lets wait ::MonkeyShocked::

I actually did look to see if anyone had responded before I just posted what I think it says, and I didn't see your post until AFTER I'd posted.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: :2redman:

I can see the first part of the sentence better, so I think we're right about what it says.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Ohhhhh, this is rich. To be as educated as Mary is, you'd think she would have run across this old fable:

A young girl was trudging along a mountain path, trying to reach her grandmother's house.
It was bitter cold, and the wind cut like a knife.
When she was within sight of her destination, she heard a rustle at her feet.

Looking down, she saw a snake.
Before she could move, the snake spoke to her.
He said, "I am about to die.
It is too cold for me up here, and I am freezing.
There is no food in these mountains, and I am starving.
Please put me under your coat and take me with you."

"No," replied the girl. "I know your kind. You are a rattlesnake.
If I pick you up, you will bite me, and your bite is poisonous."

"No, no," said the snake. "If you help me, you will be my best friend.
I will treat you differently."

The little girl sat down on a rock for a moment to rest and think things over.
She looked at the beautiful markings on the snake and had to admit that it was the most beautiful snake she had ever seen.

Suddenly, she said, "I believe you. I will save you.
All living things deserve to be treated with kindness."

The little girl reached over, put the snake gently under her coat and proceeded toward her grandmother's house.

Within a moment, she felt a sharp pain in her side.
The snake had bitten her.

"How could you do this to me?" she cried.
"You promised that you would not bite me, and I trusted you!"

"You knew what I was when you picked me up," hissed the snake as he slithered away.

Yep, Mary. That would be Joran's tail you're viewing as he slithers away. I don't see her as a victim. She would have provided an avenue to let Joran hurt someone else if she could have. I put her in a similar category as Anita and Paulus. They have all been enablers, no matter what the motives were.

 ::snipping2::

Joran was Friday sentenced to 28 years in prison and wrote the letter that same day. Because the woman emails leaked to the press was best known in his cell that Dutchman enjoyed special privileges. Partly as a result he was transferred to a tougher prison, much to the annoyance of Van der Sloot.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3122261/2012/01/15/Joran-schrijft-beschermengel-Mary-Hamer-boze-brief.dhtml

Good morning cecilita,

It's interesting (or maybe ironic) to me that the amount of money that Mary gave them is the amount of the civil damages Joran will have to pay the Flores family.

Do any of your friends or family in Peru have any idea if Joran had been released before the trial how much bail might have been?  You know after the eighteen months passed, they were going to try to get him out of jail until the trial.  My understanding is that he would have been required to stay there in Peru, so maybe that's why he had the apartment?  I'm just wondering if it was fair to assume that bail may have been that same amount?

Thanks in advance!

Thank you all!  I was disappointed he did not close the letter with "Come Across"

Hi everyone!! I've been here -- just reading mostly. I guess it all now boils down to how we can extract where Natalee is from Joran before he is "offed" in Peru. I'm afraid that window is rapidly closing.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Beyond luxury for Joran
 Joran van der Sloot after his conviction has not said a word. Also he would hardly eat. He was transferred to a strict prison, without privacy and luxury.
 
 ::snipping2::

 He was immediately transferred to the much stricter, Piedras Gordas prison. As in the past with the luxury. It is 24 hours a day being watched by two guards. For safety, he still has his own cell, but it is small. He can occasionally airing on a patio of three by four meters. Four times a week he may receive immediate family, with whom he is separated by glass.

 Not eaten and spoken
 Joran allowed four hours a day on the patio stays, along with other prisoners. He will be well protected because it is feared that other inmates do to him something. According to the Dutch news Trome killer has not spoken since he arrived Friday. He would also take no food.

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2012/01_januari/15/binnenland/joran-eet-niet-praat-niet-luxe-voorbij.xml

 ::MonkeyDance::

Hear, hear!

ABSOLUTELY, CBB!

Perfect.  I have no sympathy for her, she had no compassion for Natalee, Stephany, or their families regardless of what she says.  And as you have stated, if she'd had her way there may have been other victims...more than likely HER being one of them IMO.

If you didn't see Anderson Cooper's show with her on it, he told her how the cookie crumbles.

I just saw some short clips, but he told her off imo.  I loved it!   ::rhino::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

As always, Joran's not going to give anything that doesn't result in a major benefit for him.

I think our best bet for any information will be when he faces the charges in the U. S.  He took the money, but didn't give the information.  Now the information could save him from a significant amount of additional years possibly being tacked on to the 28 he's already facing in prison. 

The only thing that worries me about that is that he has seemingly been so comfortable in prison! 

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Even tho he isn't speaking, he still has his iPhone.
Wonder what kind of apps he has. He could be playing on line poker with Mary's money in there. As Simon Ewing.
I don't understand why any of his old friends are still in contact with him, would you ?
He would be blocked.
..
If you google Mary Hamer, you will see that she comments for a site based in India and cared very much for life in all of its forms, not just human. Why she glommed onto to Joran as being the messenger for world peace or whatever she had in her mind, is enough in my books for her to be Baker Acted. Yet, she is a radiologist. Granted, the education was obtained when younger and as a SWM she can do what she wants with it.     

Texasmom, It is very well known that some ex politicians are in jail now, were caught in cameras leaving prison and taking taxis to go to do their business. I don't believe that joran was allow to do that for his own safety. I think the lawyer bought the apartment to have some income with the rent. I am 99% sure that the lawyer tried to buy the judges but it didn't workout...then he bought the apartment. The location of the property is a ok area, i better say I don't like it ::MonkeyShocked:: for that location nobody will pay $1500 per month. My dad has a house 900 square meters in one of the nicest area in Lima and he lease the property to a private company and they pay my dad around $2000 a month. The lawyer may BS joran for him to sign the documents and we know that at the end the monster will not be able to pay the lawyer and he will take joran's property hahahhahah. I hope that the letter of the crazy woman will help to alabama to probe that this boy is a scam also

I forgot to say that the real estate in Peru is very expensive way too expensive...an old small house and ugly can cost between 150,000 to 300,000 dollars, With that money he probably got something really ugly or a very small apartment. and the rent at that location can't exceed more than 600 dollars/month for a ok house.

Texasmom and everyone, here is the clip of Mary on the Anderson Cooper's show.


Select the videio "Anderson takes Mary to Task..."   ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.andersoncooper.com/videos/

Joran in the same courtyard as 'Cholo Payet'
 Dutch murderer is in the observation area and is guarded 24 hours a day for two agents.

Joran van der Sloot is now a prisoner in the prison Ancon 1 (formerly "fat Stones"). The confessed murderer of Stephany Flores was placed in the observation area of the prison or Meditation. They shared courtyard with the famous Jorge Chávez Montoya, "Polish" and José Roque Alejos, "Payet Cholo."

 According to prison sources, the Dutchman remains guarded 24 hours a day by two security officers and can only move in a courtyard of 3 × 4 square meters.

 "He came last Friday, at 8:00 pm. It has a room for him, but shares a patio, do not talk to anyone and avoid eating things that give "the source told.

 Joran will stay in this area until the prison board and transfer it to classify a pavilion and also specify the special scheme to be submitted. This will depend on the degree of danger and crime.

 It also emerged that it is more likely that the Dutch to stay in the observation area to avoid any conflicts with other inmates.

 Under the rules, Joran should be subjected to the regime, ie, have only four hours in the yard, four visits a week, only immediate family and through call centers.

 REQUISITION

 Meanwhile, yesterday morning made ​​a surprise one requisition in the maximum security prison.

 Inpe agents found in the possession of David Sánchez-Manrique Pancorvo, "Crazy David", iPhone, and colleagues at the venusterio had two phones with which they communicated with the outside. These devices were seized.

http://trome.pe/actualidad/1361232/noticia-joran-mismo-patio-quecholo-payet

Looks like the prison is on a cell phone hunt.  Wonder if that was due to Urine and Sugar Mary?

Thanks for the information cecilita!   ::MonkeyCool::

Trying to buy off the judges in this case, with the obvious affluence of the victim's family would almost seem ridiculous, or it would seem it would have taken a lot more money than that at least!  And it also seems that the Flores family is as well respected as they are affluent, so it would have surely been found out eventually...

But then if you think about that decision to not go for the higher charges that would have made the life sentence possible (the charges that the Flores family wanted Joran charged with), I don't recall now who made that call.  Was it another group of judges?  I think if the case had gone to trial with all of the evidence presented, it would have qualified for the higher charge and sentence; but that's just my opinion.  Is it possible that there was interference in this process?

 ::MonkeyQuestion::

Thanks grace-land!  I had just gone back and watched it again.   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDance::

Texasmom, I'm glad you posted what you read under the crossed out part of Joran's letter. Helps knowing what others see as well.

Boy, Idiot boy sure picked the wrong girls. Beth was/is a pitbull who will never stop trying to find Natalee. Stephanie's family has influence. Just look how fast he got moved to another prison after the mention of a press conference. It does how ever make me wonder if there are other victims who families were not there to fight so hard.

So....... what's the opinion here? Will the U.S. get Joran extradited immediately for trial -- or will he have to serve his sentence in Peru completely first?

Two opinions of mine:

First, I don't think Joran knows what happened to Natalee's remains. I think Papa Sloot took that to the grave with him.  If that was her in the trap in the bottom of the ocean, then some Aruban authorities have the answer as well.

Second, I personally think that the timing of Natalee being declared legally dead in Birmingham has a lot to do with how and when he will be brought back to Alabama for that trial. Before she was missing and now she is dead - legally- wouldn't that allow for a murder trial?

My opinions only.

I think both are quite possible as well!!

I wonder if Joran was warned not to eat the food b/cit could be poisoned.  When googling Cholo Payet, it seems one of his alleged crime partners was afraid to eat the prison food for fear of being poisoned. 

ITA Roxibalboa.  Think about it, Aruba...where even there own "missing" don't seem to matter at all so how many girls supposedly "ran away" never to be seen or heard from again; or if they survived never said anything because they knew he would never be held accountable...but they and their family would be ruined in the process!  Thailand...where Joran lived for what about TWO YEARS and they supposedly wanted to question him about some missing Thai girls...but never had the opportunity?  jmo

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Sorry if this has already been posted. It's more talk after the Anderson show. Mary talks about Joran telling her about being spit on in prison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQa2FjhUCuw

Hopefully they're working on that now.   ::MonkeyCool::

Mary might not get her money back--a strategy by Joran or a misunderstanding by her?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-15-benefactora-de-van-der-sloot-pide-devolucion-de-su-dinero-noticia_441028.html

Google translation

Van der Sloot benefactor refund requests
Sunday, January 15, 2012 | 24:48

Maria Hammer said that having been sentenced to prison, the Dutch did not have to pay a deposit, which is a legal guarantee for free but processed in Peru is not covered.

U.S. citizen Maria Hammer, benefactor of Joran Van der Sloot, asked to be reimbursed the $ 74,000 he donated to the 'bond' of the now convicted for the murder of Stephany Flores.

Hammer said that having been sentenced to prison, Van der Sloot will not pay a deposit, which is a legal guarantee for free but processed in Peru is not covered.

Jose Luis Jimenez's lawyer says Hammer donated the money and gave the Dutch freedom to use as it sees fit.

In a letter to Hammer, released by Panamericana TV, Joran Van der Sloot highlights the performance of his attorney, and regrets that she asks for the return of that money.

 ::snipping2::

I think there have been some behind the scenes manuevering that the public has not been privy to.

Under the Passive Personality Principle of International Law, if harm to or a murder of a US citizen occurs on foreign soil, then the suspect can be tried in the USA.  Now that NAH is legally declared dead, it's possible that a circumstantial murder charge could be filed.

According to key players and some sources that are much more in the know than I, much more will be coming down the pike and soon.

Here's my original post on the Passive Personality Principle from 1/14/2012

The Passive Personality Principle of International Law

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-sentencing_n_1204663.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl2|sec3_lnk3%26pLid%3D127582

Joran Van Der Sloot Sentencing: Dutchman Slapped With 28 Years For Murder Of Stephany Flores

  ::snipping2::

Earlier this week, Michael Griffith, senior partner at the International Legal Defense Counsel, told The Huffington Post that regardless of what van der Sloot was sentenced to in Peru, he would eventually be extradited to the U.S. for the alleged Holloway extortion plot and possibly her murder.

According to Griffith, the passive personality principle of international law allows a country to prosecute someone who has killed or injured an American citizen in a foreign country. In essence, jurisdiction is based on the nationality of the victim and not the location of the crime.

Griffith said that van der Sloot's alleged statements about Holloway, along with his previous confessions, are enough for U.S. authorities to bring a circumstantial murder case against him.

"There is no statute of limitations," Griffith said. "So even if he serves the max, he can still go on trial in the U.S."

Whether authorities in the U.S. will invoke the passive personality principle has yet to be decided.

Hi Jamcakes, the Peruvian food is one of the most delicious foods I have ever eat in my hole life, their cuisine is very well appreciated by the tourists, even the food is poisoned believe me they will eat it, once you tried their food, you will want to eat more::MonkeyGavel:: He will probably receive special food... I believe that now he has been sentenced, lets wait for one or two years to hear in the news that he is not any longer alive .....

It was an Anniversary Killing.

That means there are at least 6 including Natalee.

As Robots would say:  "Bet the farm."



JMO and only MO.

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/41946-joran-van-der-sloot-condena-na-28-ana-di-prison.html

Whether or not it was really him...   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::snipping2::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/01132012_24ora_comments.jpg)

Frankly, I don't know how they could file muder charges in the USA as the evidence of the
" investigation" and all the rest of the paperwork is in Aruba and some possibly in NL. Unless there is something I am not comprehending. Or missed. Or as was suggested is going on behind the scenes. Last I read, Aruba still had the investigation open. I could see a civil suit if they can get him in the USA when and if they can get him to Alabama to serve him.
..
I just get tired of him and his schemes to make money from information or exclusive interviews regarding two murders. Never mind how much persons donated willingly to him.
What kind of life path is this that is rewarded by the strange world we live in.?
 

 ::snipping2::

This morning, the news broke in Peru’s local media that van der Sloot had access to a cellular phone and that he was in constant communication with his attorney and his benefactor: Dr. Mary Hamer, a radiologist from Florida. Hamer had made public her request to Peruvian president Ollanta Humala to release van der Sloot to her care, offering what she calls a “10-year Ghandi program” to rehabilitate him from his gambling and drug addictions.

Hamer traveled to Lima in December and was able to visit the prison on one occasion, but was turned away on the following days. She pays for van der Sloot’s legal fees and sends him money regularly, although today she sent an email to a handful of journalists in which she demanded that Jimenez reimburse the money she had put forward for what she calls “bail”—except van der Sloot was never given a bail option. She may be referring to the civil reparation fine, which matches the amount she wired. In all exchanges, van der Sloot used an email address in the name of Sidney Ewing. Hamer was unavailable for comment.

 ::snipping2::

Despite the long sentence, of which van der Sloot has already served two years, about a dozen Peruvians rallied outside the courthouse, shouting, “Let him rot! Life imprisonment!” One sign read: “JVDS if you had committed this crime in the U.S., you would have gotten the electric chair.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/13/van-der-sloot-gets-28-years-for-murder-in-peru.html

I was not implying anything against Peruvian food or even prison food not being nutritious, tasty or making one sick.

I was suggesting that a reason for Joran not eating was that he might believe that someone in prison could poison his particular food in order to kill him. Joran's new "room-mate's" co-conspirator believes the same thing about being killed in prison by poisoned food.

Sounds like a plan to me!!!    ::MonkeyCool::

In the article I posted about the Passive Personality Principle, an expert spoke on the possibility of a circumstantial murder case being constructed on Joran's own statements through the years and known facts.

They may not need the Aruban's case notes and, whatever evidence they manipulated, lost, destroyed or kept.

I remember hearing one of Natalee's loved ones (Jug I think) saying that the public would be surprised at all that they (NAH's loved ones) knew but couldn't say b/c of Aruban law regarding evidence admissability.  But since Aruba has done nothing, and the statute of limitations on the case is soon expiring in Aruba, this information could also be used in the construction of a circumstantial case in America.

They may not get a conviction on a circumstantial case, but in having to defend himself, some of the unanswered questions might be resolved.

Thanks for the link!   Mary is nuts.

If this file is too large, mods please fix it for me, TY.

It's a collage of the prison, more or less. Hopefully he won't enjoy the priviledges he has become accostomed to at Castro Castro. We shall see.

(http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Natalee%20Holloway%20-Aruba%20---%20Stephany%20Flores%20-Peru/?action-view&current=Penal-de-Piedras-Gordas.jpg)

Link:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Natalee%20Holloway%20-Aruba%20---%20Stephany%20Flores%20-Peru/?action=view&current=Penal-de-Piedras-Gordas.jpg


Jamcakes, I am adding your fork pic to the archive, love it!

Apparently Cole Thompson (Portrait of a Monster) is a member of Webslueth.

Janet

+++++

Yesterday, 04:54 PM 
Cole Thompson 
Registered User
 
While I'm online I might as well share the email forwarded to me by Joran's former attorney, Max Altez. The email was sent to Joran's current attorney, Jose Luis Jimenez, by his "Guardian Angel," Mary Hamer.

This is the same woman who has accused my co-author and I of "Humanicide." (Apparently our book made Joran sad and exacerbated his post traumatic stress syndrome.)

In the email, Hamer demands that she be paid back the cash she allegedly paid out for Joran's defense. I did the math and it is almost exactly the same amount Joran was ordered to pay in restitution to the Flores family. Coincidence? I'll let you decide.

Thanks again for welcoming me on board.

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:09:10 AM
Subject: Public Declaration of Default on Returning Bail Money.

Dear Attorney Jimenez,

*I asked you to return my $74,910. bail money by today January 12th, 2012 by 3 PM. I just checked my Bank of America account on January 13th at 12 AM & there is no bail money in my account. I will now make a public declaration that the bail money is in default.

Thank you. Respectfully, Mary Hamer

Source: WEBSLEUTHS

In my view---it will happen pretty quickly.  He'll be "Alabammy Bound!!" in no time.    ::MonkeyCool::

"But since Aruba has done nothing, and the statute of limitations on the case is soon expiring in Aruba"Can't see Aruba turning over anything as that would expose the non investigation they did.
On this one, murder charges in the US, there are too many unknowns for me to hang on to any hope that it would happen, ever. A civil case, I think could fly and be won.
Too many international conventions between the USA, Aruba, Holland and now Peru for me to think that he could or would be held responsible for anything in the USA except the wire fraud.
The only thing that has kept this going is Beth and now Mr. Flores, both persons who
are not going to give up and who have the means and the respect and the visibility in their own countries to make something happen. Plus persons like JQK and Peter DeVries.   
I can't wait for Mr. Flores to have his press conference tomorrow.

Great prison pics Amanda - thanks!

Could it be that Jug Twitty and Art Woods are referencing the The Passive Personality Principle of Internation Law ... an action that could be implemented by the United States if Aruba were to officially declare the Natalee Holloway case closed.

Janet
 

I don't expect Aruba to turn anything over to the US either.  I was suggesting that if/when the case expires in Aruba, then the US could be free to use what info it has free of "spoiling" it for use in an Aruban trial.  The FBI supposedly has some evidence, like the examination of Skeeter's harddrive and whatever else was reportedly sent to the FBI.

A circumstantial murder case or a civil case or just the federal wire fraud/extortion case - any or all are fine by me. Hopefully, a conviction on any or all would result in more years for Joran to serve.

I also think that Dave Holloway has done whatever he could to find Natalee and the truth.

I look forward to the Flores press conference too.

I believe there are more murder victims of Joran out there.  I just never thought of it being an annual thing.
What if Natalee wasn't his first?   

 :smt049 Peter R. DeVries was on Pauw & Witteman last week. 

Interesting to watch imo even though it's in Dutch.   ::MonkeyCool:: 

Wish we knew what was said!

I could understand Peter say "control" when referring to Joran in the beginning...and Aruba and FBI mentioned several times.  At the end when something was asked about Beth, Peter repeated Beth's comment about wanting to peel the skin off his face.

There is also a clip of Peter with Beth talking about the extortion by Joran just after 13:00 in the video.

Peter R. de Vries in Pauw & Witteman 11-01-2012

http://youtu.be/e-AqZFKiDUY

Google translation:


Uploaded by penwtv on January 12, 2012

Here's a few screen shots from it.


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This is what I fully expect to happen.  They have to try him now on the federsal extortion charges because if they were to wait until his sentence in Peru is over, most of the witnesses could be dead!

So it must take place now or within the next year or so at the most.

Oh, Peter deVries! 

I am here at just the right time!

Great work, thank you for sharing!   ::MonkeyKiss::

I thought of you when I saw it!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyKiss::

I wish someone would translate it for us, I'd love to know what was said.   :2doh:

Yeppers, where he won't be the biggest one on his cell block for a change, lol. 

Flores family accept Joran's sentence
Published on 13 January 2012 - 8:44pm

<snipped>

The Peruvian Foreign Minister says the United States has not requested the extradition of Van der Sloot. A court in Alabama has charged him with extortion of Natalee Holloway’s mother. He is accused of asking money in exchange for information on the whereabouts of her body. Natalee Holloway went missing in May 2005, exactly five years before the murder of Stephany Flores. Her body has never been found, but court in Alabama declared her dead only yesterday.

<snipped>

http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/flores-family-accept-jorans-sentence


Joint Statement by United States Attorney Joyce White Vance and FBI Special Agent in Charge Patrick Maley Regarding the Joran van der Sloot Investigation
FBI Birmingham
June 09, 2010

http://www.fbi.gov/birmingham/press-releases/2010/bh060910.htm


 

Well, I understood mother, father, Natalee Holloway, probation and random words.  I do get the impression that they said there was no proof Stephany was ever on Joran's laptop looking for anything.

This is what I thought as well until murder charges were filed for that man who killed his wife on their honeymoon in Australia.  Charges were filed here even though the crime happened in Australia and he was convicted.

Good to see you and all the monkeys!

Lifesong, I have thought the same thing!  Did he kill one each year on the anniversary?

http://www.curacao-law.com/2007/11/26/aruba-criminal-law/

ARUBAN Statute of Limitations

ARUBA CRIMINAL LAW

Holloway case raises questions

I received several questions from US news channels about the legal system of Aruba. Basic information can be found on this official website: click here.

From another source (about Dutch law, to a large extent similar to Aruban law): The criminal justice legal process is divided into pretrial and trial phases. In the pretrial phase, intrusive measures such as telephone taps, searches of the person or premises are conducted to secure evidence. This is tempered through the provision of an attorney and notification to the suspect of the development of the case. The trial phase can be described as an accusatorial process. The purpose of the trial is to discover the truth. The court trial lacks some elements of a purely adversarial process in that while it is the judge who asks questions at the trial, attorneys are only allowed to ask supplementary questions, cross-examination does not exist.

All prohibited acts are classified either as crimes or felonies (misdrijven), infractions or transgressions (overtredingen). The legislature determines whether an offense constitutes a crime or an infraction. Imprisonment is only imposed for serious crimes. The minimum sentence is 1 day, the maximum is 15 years. Murder sentences can be extended to 20 years. A life sentence may be imposed for murder or manslaughter with aggravating circumstances, although this is rare.

According to the Aruba Penal Code (Article 72) with respect to adults (18 years and older):

    There is a 6 year statute of limitations on crimes with a maximum term of imprisonment of 3 years (involuntary manslaughter: max. 9 months imprisonment)
    There is a 12 year statute of limitations on crimes with a term of imprisonment of at least 3 years (voluntary manslaughter: max. 15 years and murder: max. 20 years imprisonment)
    There is a 18 year statute of limitations on crimes which result in a life sentence (e.g. murder committed by terrorists / kidnapping resulting in the death of the kidnapped person / killing someone to hide a crime: life sentence)

If you need anything further, please feel free to contact me at: Karel.Frielink@Spigthoff.com.

Karel Frielink
Curacao-based Attorney (lawyer) / Partner


~~~~~~

IIRC, they were arrested on suspicion of voluntary manslaughter, but ruled they didn't have enough evidence to support this.

The statute for the lesser crime of involuntary manslaughter has, surprise, already expired.

I would imagine the statute of limitations to be less for a juvenile, as it was specified that those statutes were for someone 18 or older.

I thought I had read 7 and 10 years, a while back, when I researched this last year, but I am wrong.  Sorry if I mislead anyone.

Further, I have no idea if the US HAS to wait for the Aruban statute of limitations  to expire in order to file a murder case in the US. They might if they were trying to extradite him specifically for that purpose, but since he would be "visiting" the US on other legal matters, he could be served with other suits.

It's not just you...something is wrong with that finger...maybe a fungus?   

::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

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Almost looks like a face on it in this one!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Hi Anna I thought those pics of Peter would bring you out of lurking   ::HelloKitty::

That Gabe Watson was charged here in Australia for manslaughter and served 18 months and then extradited to Alabama where he was tried and convicted again.

Some interesting points in the following article :

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/02/honeymoon_killer_gabe_watson_t.php

"Honeymoon Killer" Gabe Watson Tried Again For Australian Scuba Death of Newlywed Wife

By Chris Parker in homicide
Friday, February 4, 2011 at 9:00 am

A dream come true turned into a nightmare for Tina Watson, who died for no apparent reason while diving in the Great Barrier Reef. On the verge of going to trial in Australia, her husband Gabe Watson plead guilty to manslaughter and served 18 months. Now he's in Alabama, where he's standing trial for murder...

There are no international rules about double jeopardy, so it's possible to try him here in America, so long as prosecutor can prove that Watson planned the murder before they left on their honeymoon

 ::snipping2::

He was extradited from Australia only after Alabama promised not to seek the death penalty.

 ::snipping2::

Joran Van Der Sloot Gets 28 Years in Peru, Now US Wants Him
Jan. 13, 2012

<snipped>

The attorney for Holloway's mother, John Q. Kelly, said after today's sentencing that he hopes van der Sloot will be extradited to the U.S. within "a couple of months."

Van der Sloot is charged with extorting $25,000 from Holloway's grieving mother Beth Holloway in exchange for information about the location of Natalee's body. After receving the money, van der Sloot admitted lying about where the girl's body was buried.

"We anticipate that U.S. authorities will move quickly to bring him to Alabama to face pending federal charges and to answer for his past conduct in Aruba," Kelly had said prior to the sentencing.

The U.S. District Attorney in Birmingham, where the case against van der Sloot will be prosecuted, did not immediately return calls for comment. They had previously told ABC News that they had made arrangements with Interpol to have van der Sloot extradited to the U.S.

Any sentence he might receive in the U.S. would be served in conjunction with the 28 years he was sentenced in Peru, Kelly said.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/US/joran-van-der-sloot-28-years-now-us/story?id=15353765

I got that impression too.   ::MonkeyCool::

And that was in Alabama - just so you know.

Thanks, Trib

I see that part about planned in the U.S. before he left and wonder if the charge was predicated on that.  I hope not and that this would apply to the murder of an American where no charges were brought in the country in which it happened.  Guess I am just dreaming.

So is it our Dutch or Spanish that's getting better, lol!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

It surely was!  So that means they know all about how to do it.

Anna---I did not follow his case to the final Alabama conclusion, but I remember that, yes, it was predicated on his premeditating her murder prior to their marriage/honeymoon---I remember her father was very adamant in his belief of this, early on.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   

I am anticipating what Ricardo Flores will reveal at tomorrow's media conference in regards to his investigation encompassing Joran van der Sloots privileges within the Peruvian prison system.

A serious game of Scrabble awaits with daughter.  The loser treats the other to the movie "War Horse" later this evening.

Good Night.

Janet
5:55 PM PT

I've wondered if this is an old article...a mistake...or what...   ::MonkeyConfused::

but this is what it says.

According to this article Joran wasn't planning on showing up in court on Friday!

You think he thought it might be bad luck?    ::MonkeyDevil::

Looks like they may have been trying to pull another fast one, but apparently his plan failed.  I wondered why he wore that simple green T-shirt to his sentencing after he'd at least worn a dress shirt to the other proceedings...  Maybe because he wasn't planning on going?  But the guards showed up and took him anyway?

Anita confirmed the information that Joran was not going to court.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

I'd wondered from what I could understand of the article what was "according to the mama of Joran" so I typed it out and ran it through the translator.

http://issuu.com/boletinextra/docs/diabierna_13_januari_2012?mode=window&pageNumber=1

Solo di Pueblo (Aruba)

January 13, 2012 Page 12

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Papiamentu translation:  

according mother of joran van der sloot: joran will do not present for his caso today in corte at peru

sta. cruz – joran van der sloot will is the great ausente (missing person) today diabierna hour cu his caso come fast one huez peruvian. only the abogadonan, fiscal y huez will is present in the caso cu will wordo deal in jail self. the irony is cu in the caso here while cu the is wordo deal in the jail where cu joran is close, the self will do not present. this owing to stay confirma for mother of joran vd sloot. according mother of joran, the intencion is cu the advocate of joran, jimenez will haci one presentacion y will have one proposicion at huez for cu his cliente joran vd sloot. do not conoci kico the proposicion here is. thing is haci the caso more interesting here is cu while cu the week here is cuminsa cu tratamento of the caso, the same hueznan cu is cuminsa cu the caso, is wordo reemplaza end of the same month here. esey is place cu will can surgi one retraso again for continuacion of owing to tratamento of the caso y advocate of joran, jimenez wanted earn time in this. the encuentro here will is the first for her caso of joran vd sloot fast hueznan y is the intencion for her fiscalnan in the caso asi ask one cantidad of ana for joran vd sloot for thing the is wordo acusa of dje. this is the asesinato on the peruvian stephany flores. have informacion cu is circula cu the cantidad of ana cu is wordo ask for joran is 30 ana.
apparently have one cantidad of journalist internacional is viahando for peru for is present for her caso here. the mature cu joran v.d. sloot self will do not present, do not haci this less interesting for they. can count ; cu have assure one cantidad big of journalist dutch y americano cu is on plane for they can presencia today diabierna for they can raporta the caso here. self instant owing to comprende cu have one battalion of journalist at caminda or at peru end for her caso, cu according the advocate jimenez, do not wait for great cos today diabierna. is one simple proceso cu will take lugar where cu neither joran will is present. do not conoci pakico joran do not present. this is cortesia of la prensa of corsou! come across

Come across!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://issuu.com/boletinextra/docs/diabierna_13_januari_2012?mode=window&pageNumber=1

Solo di Pueblo (Aruba)

January 13, 2012

Front Page

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It stated in that article that it was courtesy of La Prensa in Curacao...they ran it too.

But they ran it on the 3rd of January.

http://www.laprensacur.com/aruba/23-aruba/27308-su-mama-a-confirma-noticia-ayera-joran-vd-sloot-lo-no-ta-presente-pa-su-caso-diabierna-na-peru.html

his mother owing to confirma news ayera; joran vd sloot will do not present for his caso diabierna at peru

tuesday, 03 january 2012 19:27

administrator oranjestad – joran van der sloot will is the great ausente diabierna now hour cu his caso come fast one judge peruvian y wordo deal. is only the abogadonan, fiscal y judge will is present in the caso here cu will wordo deal in jail self. the irony is cu in the caso here while cu the is wordo deal in the jail where cu joran is close, the self will do not present. this owing to stay confirma yesterday for own mother of joran vd sloot. according mother of joran, the intencion is cu the advocate of joran, jimenez will haci one presentacion y haci in this one proposicion at judge for cu his cliente joran vd sloot. do not conoci if kico the proposicion here is. thing is haci the caso more interesting here is cu while cu the week here is ‘cuminsa’ cu the tratamento of the caso, the same huesnan cu is cuminsa cu the caso, is wordo remplasa end of the same month here. that is place cu will can surgi one retraso again for continuacion of the tratamento of the caso, y jimenez wanted earn time in this. the ‘encuentro’ here will is the first for her caso of joran vd sloot fast huesnan, y is the intencion for her fiscalnan in the caso here ask one cantidad of year substancial for joran vd sloot for her thing the is wordo acusa of dje, cu is asesinato on the peruvian stephany flores. have informacion cu is circula cu the cantidad of year cu is wordo ask for vd sloot is 30 year. mirando the desaroyo of the week here, can owing to compronde also cu have one cantidad of journalist internacional is biahando for peru the week here for is present for her caso here. the mature cu vd sloot self will do not present, do not haci this less interesting for they. can count ; cu have assure one cantidad big of journalist dutch y mericano cu is on plane end cu owing to confirma they presencia for diabierna now for they can raporta the caso here. self instant owing to compronde cu have one battalion of journalist at caminda or at peru end for her caso, cu according the advocate jimenez, do not wait for great cos diabierna now. is one simple proceso cu will take lugar where cu neither joran will is present. do not conoci pakico joran do not present if.

Only in Aruba...   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::boxingjoran::

Piedras Gordas holds local crime bosses and terrorism convicts.

Do you think they care that the Dutchruban Playboy candyass is refusing to eat his duck jerky rice and carrots? ::MonkeyTongue::

No... uh uh. They don't care.

You know who also doesn't care? Me.

I wish Stephany could eat today... I wish Natalee could eat today.

Go ahead, Joran.... punish them for taking away your toys and sticking you in a new scary place.

It no worky, in Peru, bro. Your PETULANCE is so 2005. Welcome to the real world.

It began for you on January 13, 2012. ::MonkeyCool::

http://issuu.com/boletinextra/docs/diasabra_14_januari_2012

Solo di Pueblo (Aruba)

January 14, 2012

Front Page

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Spoiled brat tactics   ::monkeydenied::

I forgot it earlier, but I also understood them mention Joran's father smuggling a cellphone into him while he was in jail in Aruba.

(Peter R. DeVries on Pauw & Witteman Jan 11th)

http://youtu.be/e-AqZFKiDUY

http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/131503/joran_van_der_sloots_sentence

Joran van der Sloot's Sentence Isn't Justice for All (PHOTOS)

Posted by Cynthia Dermody on January 13, 2012 at 1:38 PM

."Joran van der Sloot, you may leave the hall," the Peruvian tribunal said today right after it was determined he would serve 28 years in jail for killing Stephany Flores. Of course, this sentence also gave us here in America a very deep satisfaction in knowing that in some small, indirect way, he is finally going to pay for what most of us believe he did to Natalee Holloway.

The verdict today, two years short of the maximum (which is baffling), had nothing to do with the Holloway case. Her name was invoked in the sentencing, however, when the judge made mention of van der Sloot's suspicion in her disappearance, to which van der Sloot just sat there with his cold, expressionless face. This is not meant to take away from the vindication of Flores' family and her spirit today. This is a victory for the people of Peru and for the Flores family for the horrible crime that was committed against her. But Natalee's presence was there in that courtroom today, too.

 ::snipping2::

Anna, Australia a civilized country unlike the other place Aruba.

Found this summary of happenings and it seems the insurance money being increased and made out to Gabe as sole beneficiary before their marriage was the catalyst for the preplanned theory :

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Tina_Watson

Death of Tina Watson

This article is about the death of Christina Mae Watson née Thomas, known as Tina to her family and often called Christina in Australia. She was a 26-year- old American woman from Alabama. She died on her honeymoon on the Great Barrier Reef in Queensland, Australia in 2003. She had only been married to her husband, David Gabriel "Gabe" Watson, for 11 days when she died. The doctor who performed the autopsy said she drowned in a scuba diving accident.[1] Six years later, Gabe Watson was charged for murder and manslaughter. He pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sent to prison for a year by an Australian court.[2] Six months were added to the prison sentence after an appeal that took place just six weeks later. The appeal was held as soon after the trial as possible because of concerns raised by Tina's father with the trial itself. However, the appeal judges agreed with the trial judge on most of the issues except the six month increase in the prison sentence.

 ::snipping2::

Tina's father testified that, immediately before their wedding, Gabe had asked Tina to increase her life insurance policy to the maximum possible and make him the sole beneficiary. He also said that several hundreds of thousands of dollars of insurance money after Tina's death until they named him as a possible murder suspect

 ::snipping2::

http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=10884

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 ::australiaflag::

And we are not pushovers either as we denied Joran's application to enter Australia some time after he left Aruba following Natalee's disappearance

::koaladancing::

It should be an interesting meeting.  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/98090-om-mogelijk-naar-peru-voor-ondervraging-joran

Google translation

OM possible to Peru for questioning Joran
Saturday, January 14, 2012 6:50

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) in Aruba plans to travel to Peru for Joran back to question about the evening in 2005 when Natalee Holloway disappeared. Joran is possible, now that he has a long prison sentence, but the truth.

This Taco Stein, Advocate General of the Public Amigoe to let you know. Certainly it's not a date, and is certainly not punctured. "For now just let him stew in his," says Stein. The Advocate General thinks Joran, he is now a long imprisonment for the murder of Stephany Flores, may decide to be honest about what happened on that fateful night when Natalee vanished. Joran was the last person seen with her. He was repeatedly arrested and detained and later made ​​several confessions on that evening but then pulled back. Due to lack of physical evidence was Joran never charged for this. However, he still considered the prime suspect.

 ::snipping2::

He'll probably give him an ultimatum, bring him some take out food or he won't see him.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I won't get my hopes up on this one.

 ::MonkeyCool::

BBM

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Yeah, that's it!

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2715979/advocaat-joran-van-sloot-verwacht-hoger-beroep.html

Google translation

Joran lawyer expects appeal
Last Updated: January 16, 2012 6:35

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot is almost certainly going to appeal against his sentence of 28 years in prison for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores.

"I expect that Joran will walk this road," said his lawyer Jose Jimenez Navarro. Monday is a decision on, does the lawyer.

The lawyer, Van der Sloot was last Friday after the meeting said. Subsequently, the Dutch moved from the Miguel Castro Castro prison to Piedras Gordas prison in northern Lima.
 ::snipping2::

According to Jimenez, there is not much difference in the new regime in prison. Well this weekend was the lawyer until Monday to hear that he could go along with his client because the current regime in Piedras Gordas visitors.

Jimenez is Monday morning (local time) with Van der Sloot discuss a possible appeal. "The punishment he got was exaggerated," says the lawyer.

It may also take months before the appeal, which has no public hearings, to start.

Anybody can ask him anything they want, but unless he thinks he can benefit from telling the truth, he won't. I'm not sure he knows where Natalee ended up. Maybe Paulus was stupid enough to tell him, maybe not. I still say, the best we could hope for is for someone to orchestrate a deal with the prisoners and/or guards at the prison to convincingly threaten Joran in this way: "You tell where Natalee's body is and you live. You don't tell, you die. You have one week for some remains to be recovered from the information you give, or you die. You have ONE false start and that costs you a testicle." That might work, but if it didn't, then I'd want them to follow through with the "arrangement." Actually, even if it did work, following through is a good idea, IMO.   ::piggy::
 

I knew it.
When I head there were three female judges, I knew this would be a disaster.

He got 28 years but will likely serve much less due to Peru's statutory good time credits. Those convicted of murder are eligible for parole after serving 1/3 of their sentence. In addition, if they work or take educational programs, they get one day off for every two days spent in the program.

A trollish-faced 6-foot-4 rapist murdering psychopath? How could any woman resist? Women love psychopaths; they find them endearing. And "OMG-GIGGLE!" he's 6-foot-4 and a "bad-boy!" I'm amazed one the female judges didn't sentence him to house-arrest and offer to let him stay with her. In addition to the ridiculously light sentence from these female judges, he has received hundreds of love letters from adoring women. Reportedly, when he was in Asia, women were chasing him like he was a rock star. A florida medical doctor - Dr. Mary Hamer, a divorced radiologist - has become smitten with him and has been paying for his lawyers, sending him care packages, visiting him in prison, buying him clothes. From the way women wet their panties over this guy, Joran is apparently God's gift to women. It would be amusing if there weren't two dead girls (that we know of). I only hope that the USA will extradite him for wire fraud - when he gets out of jail 8 years - and that he gets a judge of the masculine persuasion and not some giggling blushing affirmative action appointment.

Sgt. York -

In 2008, he was judged by 3 panel of men. They threw Joran back in the sea to grow into a bigger monster and kill once again!

When I say these guys did absolutely nothing. I don't think I'm exaggerating.

I think these 3 women in Peru did a pretty thorough job. They laid a nice thick foundation for the US courts to conduct a second
fly over to drop a couple of nice big fat poop bombs on him.

He's been charged with two more crimes. Extortion and bank fraud, 20 years and 30 years, respectively.

He will be getting many more years.imo

In Joran's latest psych profile from Peru, the doctor says Joran likes to diddle himself three times a week. I'm thinking that number is going to be revised? ::MonkeyBath2::

The took away his X-Box.

Not in peru. People are doing the math and I'm reading... with good-time and the 2:1 work/study benefit he could be out in 5 1/2 years. I'm angry.

28 years sentence
- 18 years (serves 1/3 sentence)
- 2 years (participates in education program first four years of sentence)
- 18 months pre-trial confinement
======================
5 1/2 years

Sexist comments usually come from those who have no comprehension on how to make judgements in the first place. How ironic. That's how much time I'll spend on that! Now moving on to the more important part of how URINE is, and was STUPID ENOUGH to put the first NAIL IN HIS OWN COFFIN.

 ::HelloKitty::

Hi KTF!

I think this will come full circle and shape up nicely.

Wouldn't it be great if Joran's new home for the rest of his pathetic days was at...

William E Donaldson Facility
www.alabama.gov/
100 Warrior Lane  Bessemer, AL 35023-7228

If Joran was owned by Natalee's Alabama.

I think the Flores family would be okay with it... because Joran will never get out, even if he's a good boy.

Anita would like it because they have meditation classes where Joran could get in touch with his inner anger.

I think Beth might like it... because from time to time... she can run over to Bessemer and torture Joran with a 3 Muskateers. (love her spirit)

Yes, yes, I like it when things come full circle. I hope it happens soon. I would choose April 2012, if I could.

Send him a Snickers bar along with an airline ticket to Birmingham, Alabama. ::MonkeyTongue::

One comment to this...I thought the maximum sentence that could be given by these "Chickas" was 30 years. They gave him 28. Seems pretty strong to me.

 ::rhino::

Perhaps it is Hammer Finger  ::MonkeyJnBox::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

This is, imo, just another bluster tactic by Aruba.  Taco said the same thing right after Joran was arrested in Peru in 2010.  Aruba already knows and has the answers.  I even think they have Natalee's remains. Maybe now Aruba will find some way for some of those remains to be found, so they can untarnish their reputation in light of the new circumstances.

The legal analysts all said he couldn't even apply for parole until after he serves at least 1/3 of his sentence - so he could apply after 8 years. 

Of course Joran would have to behave himself.  And that is beyond Joran's capability if we look at his past actions and read his psych profile.

He got into altercations all his life.  And in KIA we heard of his fighting.  We heard rumors of him fighting in Castro Castro too.

I seriously doubt Joran can behave. And I seriously Joran would be paroled after 8 years (it is an application process that can be denied) even if he lives that long.

jmo

The Final Judgement of Joran van der Sloot
 
 Most notorious example was the trial held in the prison Miguel Castro Castro, earlier this year is the case of Dutch murderer Joran van der Sloot, who is sentenced to 28 years in prison, and apparently live in a golden prison surrounded by other psychopaths blinding enjoy that as he lives.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.24horas.com.pe/panorama/locales/99409-el-juicio-final-de-joran-van-der-sloot

Video with article has footage I have not seen before

Joran lawyer expects appeal

 Last Updated: January 16, 2012 9:32 info. AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot is almost certainly going to appeal against his sentence to 28 years in prison for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores.

 "I expect that Joran will walk this road," said his lawyer Jose Jimenez Navarro. Monday is a decision on, does the lawyer.

 The lawyer, Van der Sloot was last Friday after the meeting said. Subsequently, the Dutch moved from the Miguel Castro Castro prison to Piedras Gordas prison in northern Lima.

 Here, according to the Peruvian department of the prison regime a stricter rule than in his old stomping ground. As Van der Sloot would have had privileges.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2715979/advocaat-joran-van-sloot-verwacht-hoger-beroep.html

"When I talk with the media, Joran is punished"

 ::snipping2::

"I want to process, but I do not know when. I can not be gone forever because of my work, "let Mary know Hamer by telephone from her home in Florida Amerilcaanse. Hammer radiologist in Lake City. She received her patients in a practice that she shares with several doctors, if shows you the number of her work rotates. That number is fairly easy to detect if you google on Mary Hammer, radiologist and Lake City, Florida. Mary Hammer Revue is to speak from her office and gives her home phone for an interview. But then there is a hitch: the talk show star of CNN reporter Anderson Cooper's agreement to sign them until January 15 with no other journalist talk, she tells the agreed time for the interview. Im so sorry, "it sounds on the other side of the line. And she means it. She rattles on five journalists who had promised them an interview and she loves it, all this attention. But not all goes through. Revu that a Dutch medium, Anderson Cooper has also not relent, said a disappointed Hamer. Apparently it pays the prestigious talk show and therefore stipulates exclusivity. If we are reports of recent times to be believed, is welcome, because Mary Hamer was broke because of the thousands of dollars they have for Joran van der Sloot's defense spending. Mary Hamer's articulate and very friendly. It is a somewhat ethereal woman who does not quickly loses control. Joran knows them since the Natalee Holloway case, but how they met Van der Sloot has said she did not. She is undoubtedly the mysterious woman - which Peruvian media at the beginning of Van der Sloot's detention scurried - who visited him in his cell and took things for him.

 ::snipping2::

Mary Hammer was based on her meetings with Van der Sloot could tell you more, but it does not. "Joran is punished when I talk with the media. In the Peruvian media, I can not say any more anyway. That his lawyer has told me. This is very much to be. "When it is all over, there is at least time for her thorough Gandhi therapy.

http://www.revu.nl/2012/01/16/archief-als-ik-met-de-media-praat-wordt-joran-gestraft/

"Extradition to U.S. Joran is difficult '
 Joran van der Sloot was in Peru Friday sentenced to a term of 28 years for the murder of Stephany Flores. Beth Holloway, mother of missing Natalee from Alabama, hoping like many other Americans that Van der Sloot is now rapidly being extradited to the U.S. so he can be tried in America. Whether this will happen is another matter.

 ::snipping2::

"We are totally at the mercy of the benevolence of the Peruvian government," says former Judge John Carroll from the American news WBRC. "The extradition can now only be settled through diplomatic channels through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs," said Carroll. The court is likely that the Peruvian government only wants to talk to as Van der Sloot has served his sentence. "

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3123488/2012/01/16/Uitlevering-Joran-van-der-Sloot-aan-VS-wordt-lastig.dhtml

Appeal coming right up!

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Credit:  Shutterstock

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Joran come away with extortion Holloway family?

According to Algemeen Dagblad could Joran extradition to the United States ever escape. Extremely bad news, of course.

Indeed, when he is extradited is particularly likely to be a good number of years to get his pants for extortion by the family of Natalee Holloway. Although he is sentenced to 28 years cell in Peru, but he's probably only a part of it (something with good behavior, etc.).

Should he be tried in the U.S., then he launched when he was undoubtedly a very old man that no one - especially innocent women - can cause harm.

But so could sometimes be problematic. Very difficult even. The reason? They want him in America not prosecute for the murder of Holloway, but to blackmail her parents.

 ::snipping2::

This would really be a great shame. Not only because Van der Sloot should be locked up as long as possible, but also because he simply has to be punished for his crimes. He has the parents of a murdered girl (or at least: a missing girl [before we receive emails from his lawyers]), extorting, he promised to them to ease their worries if they would give him some barrels. This gave them hope, hope that this chapter in their lives, they finally were able to close, they could have security and their daughter were appropriate (re-) burial.

http://www.dagelijksestandaard.nl/2012/01/komt-joran-weg-met-afpersing-familie-holloway

Where did the funds originated ... the funds to underwrite Joran van der Sloot's lifestyle within the walls of Miguel Castro Castro since June, 2010?  Maybe Ricardo Flores own investigation will shed some light on the issue today.

Janet

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Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM

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The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.

"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.

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http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html

http://www.jdjournal.com/2012/01/16/joran-van-der-sloot-sentenced-to-28-years-in-prison/

Joran van der Sloot Sentenced to 28 Years in Prison
Monday, January 16, 2012

 ::snipping2::

“Losing the person that one loves most is not fair,” Ricardo Flores, the father of the victim, said. “On Monday, through our attorneys, we will be calling a press conference to let you know all the irregularities and all the things that have occurred during this trial [and] from the day this person has been arrested.”

 ::snipping2::

Thanks Grace.

What is revealed in this press conference should be very interesting.  The question is what forces with power and finances are behind the "irregularities" that are benefiting Joran van der Sloot?  Inquiring minds want to know.

Janet

NANCY GRACE
Joran Pleads Guilty to Murder in Peru
Aired January 11, 2012 - 20:00   ET

<snipped>

GRACE: ... Van Der Sloot yawning and laughing in court. What about it, Jane?

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST, "ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL": Well, I think that this was all highly orchestrated and it was a big farce, and he knew exactly what was going to happen when he walked into court. And there was some kind of behind-the-scenes deal.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/11/ng.01.html

 ::rhino::

Joran van der Sloot is evil personified.  How many more broken lives will this monster tidal wave leave in his wake before actual justice prevails ... actual justice that demands that that the scale balances.

Janet

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Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST

<snipped>

After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

“Mr. Flores wants peace for his family. The damage is done and it is beyond repair,” he continued.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;topic=12557.260;num_replies=274


Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 1:  It's early morning, and the house is quiet.  I'm still lying in bed, eyes closed.  I don't want to open them, because when I do, I'll have to face the day I've dreaded the most for the past twenty months.  Today I have to pack up Natalee's things for the last time.  Today I will have to say the final good-bye.  And I'm not ready.

Eyes still closed, I hear an occasional car pass in front of the house.  Another one stops across the street, and I hear the car door open, letting music and cheerful muffled voices escape for a moment.  Then close again.  The stillness in the house is interrupted by the harmonious tapping of little paws as Macy the dog and Carl the cat move across the hardwood floors.  Stopping for a moment.  Then tapping again.  The cold morning brings the sounds of life's activities as people step into another day of their routines.

Maybe if I don't open my eyes this day will just pass and I won't have to face what I have to do.  The painful inevitable chore that has been looming over me since my beautiful daughter, Natalee disappeared on the last night of her senior high school trip to Aruba.  The day has come to take her room apart and box it up.  I have to go through her belongings, which have remained untouched since she left home on May 26, 2005.  The movers will be here day after tomorrow.

Nothing of my life before Natalee disappeared in Aruba has remained intact.  Not my career.  Not my home.  Not my marriage.  My husband, Jug, and I are divorcing after six years.  My son, Natalee's younger brother, Matt, and I are moving in two days.

s.t. 

Continued

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 1:  I have a lot to do.  I manage to swing my legs off the bed and sit up.  Reluctantly, I open my eyes and sit on the edge for a few moments.  I feel like concrete.  Heavy.  Very heavy.  Finally I stand up and slowly walk a half dozen steps or so down the short hall and turn right at Natalee's bedroom doorway ...

Page 16:  I'm glad I'm alone to recount the events that have brought me to this place on this morning, preparing to pack up and leave this house and Mountain Brook. Standing in the doorway of Natalee's room, I unwillingly step inside to the center of it, look around slowly, take it all in. In what feels like slow motion, I bend my knees until they touch the floor, rest my hands on the light cream-colored rug in front of me, and roll over onto my right side. Curling up in a fetal position, my head tucked down, arms crossing over my chest, I close my eyes again. And the cry I have fought off for almost two years finally comes. The final good-bye cry. And it comes hard. From somewhere deep, deep inside me. And it feels as if it will never stop. As if the pain can never be contained again.

s.t.

http://youtu.be/gGti1JjBKb4

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

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Estimado Jimenez:
Si usted necesita el dinero de la fianza $74,000 a pagar una multa a la corte en nombre de Joran, por favor utilice ese dinero para pagar la multa.

Google translation:

Dear Jay:
If you need bail money to pay a $ 74,000 fine to the court on behalf of Joran, please use that money to pay the fine.

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"We've been dealing with her death for the last six and a half years," her father, Dave Holloway, said after Thursday's hearing in Birmingham, Alabama.

He said the judge's order there on his daughter's death closes one chapter in the ordeal, but added: "We've still got a long way to go to get justice."

http://www.caribbeanbusinesspr.com/news03.php?nt_id=66811&ct_id=4

It ain't over until the COWBOYS say its over, Joran.  You can bet the ranch on that!

Come to Alabama, we have a nice little hell-hole, errrr, cell, all ready and waiting to serve you up some justice, Alabammy style.

Mary Hamer seems to e as volatile and unstable as Joran.  First she sends the money and tells them to use the money for bail, or in any way they see fit.  Then she demands it back, giving them an ultimatum, that if it is not returned by a certain date/time, she will notify the media.  And she does just that - tells the media all about the money and the perks Joran had at Castro Castro.

Tell us more Auntie Mary...

I have put my entire day on hold.  Turned down an invite for a cuppa tea and an apple fritter at our Tim Hortons.  It is 3:00 PM in Peru.  Any Peruvian media reports in regards to a press conference by Ricardo Flores (attorney)?  Grace?  Northern Rose?

Janet
1:00 PM PT

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Natalee%20Holloway%20-Aruba%20---%20Stephany%20Flores%20-Peru/?action=view&current=1-marynutz12-1.jpg

Not quite sure how to add a huge picture here, probably just best to click this link. From that vid, I made a collage of the emails.

I don't know what to make of this woman. Well, besides unbalanced.

It was a given prior to the sentencing that Mary Hamer would never see her $75,000 again.  A $75,000 judgement against Joran van der Sloot?  Coincidence?  I don't think so.

Mary Hamer who obviously has issues was taken advantage of big-time and ... it will happen again if there is no professional counselling.

Janet

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Van der Sloot Sentenced to 28 Years
Friday, Jan. 13, 2012

(LIMA, Peru) — A Peruvian court on Friday sentenced Joran van der Sloot to 28 years in prison for murder of a young woman he met at a Lima casino, even as the family of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway sought to have him prosecuted in the U.S. over her disappearance in 2005.

The decision comes two days after the young Dutchman pleaded guilty to killing Stephany Flores, a 21-year-old business student.
 
The court also ordered him to pay $75,000 in reparations to the family of the 21-year-old victim.

<snipped>

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2104447,00.html


NANCY GRACE
Joran Pleads Guilty to Murder in Peru
Aired January 11, 2012 - 20:00   ET

<snipped>

GRACE: ... Van Der Sloot yawning and laughing in court. What about it, Jane?

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST, "ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL": Well, I think that this was all highly orchestrated and it was a big farce, and he knew exactly what was going to happen when he walked into court. And there was some kind of behind-the-scenes deal.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/11/ng.01.html

http://www.wptmag.com/news.php?articleID=337
“Professional Poker Player” Van Der Sloot Gets 28 Year Sentence
January 16, 2012

Self-described professional poker player Joran Van Der Sloot has been sentenced to 28 years in prison after he was found guilty of the murder of Stephany Flores, who he met while travelling in Peru.

It has been speculated that Van Der Sloot had travelled to Lima to play in the Latin American Poker Tour and had met Flores in the Peruvian capital’s main casino shortly before the time of her death.

Though listing poker as a full-time occupation, Van Der Sloot does not have any major live tournament results listed in any online database, though he has been known to travel around the world to take part in events.

He is also no stranger to police inquiry, having previously been listed as the prime suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway in 2005 and been held by detectives twice for questioning during the investigation.
More...

Waiting for Justice...

(Ricardo and Enrique Flores)

http://noticias.terra.es/fotos/actualidad/fichafoto.aspx?itemurl=/2012/mundo/0106/fotos-media/peru-justicia-juicio-contra-el-holandes-joran-van-der-sloot-15

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(Screen shot I took from live feed outside the court)

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http://www.nieuwsblad.be/Article/Detail.aspx?articleid=DMF20120116_195

Google translation

Joran Van der Sloot would be declared void sentence
Monday, January 16, 2012, 9:12 p.m.

Joran is the verdict of the Peruvian court, who sentenced Friday to 28 years in prison for the murder of Stephany Flores, be declared invalid. His lawyer, Jose Navarro Jiménez, said that he agreed with Van der Sloot has come.
 The need for counsel to the Peruvian Supreme Court annulled. Therefore he founded a letter within ten days to the highest legal authority for this type of control in Peru. "The judges have not his first confession valued," the lawyer argues.

The lawyer is expected by April confirmation as to get the Supreme Court. The annulment is different from an appeal that Jimenez also considered. This would serve the same court and could only lead to a lower punishment.

 ::snipping2::

 ::justice2NJ::  FAT CHANCE  ::MonkeyCool::

Obviously, Joran is unhappy!   ::MonkeyDance::

At least he can't appeal his own decision to plead guilty!

His ship is sinking and he's scrambling to get off.  I don't expect anything to come out of these appeals, except to keep his name in the media, and delay his extradition to the US.

It appears that this delusional/lonely woman whose past involvements/activities indicate she is desperately seeking a sense of self-worth in life has been dispicably used/taken advantaged by Joran and his enablers.  Maybe this experience which has cost Mary Hamer on so many levels will be the catalyst to a new beginning ... a new beginning that includes professional counselling.  It is my hope that Mary Hamer will be reconciled with her family.  At this point in time ... she desperately needs advocates looking out for her best interest.

Janet

+++++


Florida Radiologist Champions Suspect in Holloway, Flores
Dec. 13, 2011

<snipped>

Sheila Eisenberg, the author of Women Who Love Men Who Kill, writes "These women are willing to sacrifice everything for the sake of a love without hope or promise, or consummation, and they welcome the sacrifice because it means that they and their feelings are worthy."

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-doctor-champions-natalee-holloway-suspect-joran-van/story?id=15145035

http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2012/januari/16/familie-flores-tevreden

Google translation

Flores family happy
posted:
 16.01.2012 - 21.30
 last updated:
 16.01.2012 - 21.30

The family of Stephany Flores welcomed the transfer of Joran van der Sloot to the Piedras Gordas prison. That said their lawyer Edward Alvarez. The family wanted to announce to the press Monday in what 'luxury' conditions Joran lived in his former prison. This does not make it through.

Van der Sloot was Friday, after his sentence of 28 years in prison had listened to the heavily guarded prison in Piedras Gordas northern Lima transferred. According to the department for the Peruvian prison he going to face a stricter regime. The Peruvian press reports had come out that he was an iPhone, a Blu-ray player and a flat screen television in his cell in the Miguel Castro Castro prison had.

Local media reported this weekend that Van der Sloot 24 hours a day guarded by two officers in the new jail. He was in an area of ​​three by four meters several hours a day can walk around. Four times a week he can receive visitors. This regime would apply until a cell block is assigned by the prison authorities.

 ::snipping2::

I agree, they "devalued" that first confession from the time he made it...the usual Joran MO.  Well he can't have it both ways.  Besides that confession was not complete, it was not a "sincere confession" since he LIED; and the computer analysis would have proven that if he had not chosen the speedy route (the route that wouldn't prove ALL OF HIS LIES with the evidence brought forward in a trial) and pleaded guilty.  He knew when he pleaded guilty that he could receive 30 years, and he should just be thankful that he was given two years less!  I really believe a trial may have brought him a life sentence and that's really what he deserved.  POS!

jmo

By Mary Hamer

03 February, 2009
Countercurrents.org

THE QUESTION about HOMO SAPIENS:

Has the human race been “wise” -- as the name Homo Sapiens suggests?

 ::snipping2::

I think the human race has been batting them outta the park compared to I. Mary Hamer lately. Joran, use the money in any way that you and Mr. Jiminez see fit? ::MonkeyNoNo::

When I hear wind chimes, I will think of your money, I. Mary Hamer. ::MonkeyAngel::

She is so lonely and in need of attention. Such a pity. So, she injects herself as a savior... of kittens, doggies, cows, Indians, and Joran.

The same Joran that killed his own dog.

The same Joran that killed a itty bitty sweet Natalee.

The same Joran that killed a itty bitty sweet Stephany.

She has the intelligence to be a doctor. She is articulate. She has her own recording studio. Yet, no common sense.

Feel sorry for her? Forget it. My pencil needs sharpening. I've got stuff to do. ::MonkeyHaHa::

The first confession, the one he tried to have thrown out anyway?  The one he supposedly signed with a small J as he winked at the translator?

Yeppers, he thought the same type tricks he and his Papa pulled in Aruba would work in Peru.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Bit him in the butt this time.  I'm lovin' it!!

I will have to remember that when I hear the wind chimes too.

A fool and their money are soon parted.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

How unusual for judges to not be baffled by a liar.  If there is more than one confession, than go with the evidence and ignore the liar.  Maybe they should send their "I'm no dummy" outline to Aruba.  Silence followed by many lies does not equal innocent.  He didn't confuse me one bit.  I don't know how he baffles Aruba....unless of course they were looking for an out.

You've probably seen this before, but it bears being seen again.
Edit to snip the article.  We can only post the link and partial article.  MB

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627/ns/today-today_people/t/holloway-attorney-details-van-der-sloot-sting/#.TxSqCXrNmdk

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting

By Mike Celizic
TODAY.com contributor
updated 6/11/2010 12:58:39 PM ET

Joran van der Sloot was so desperate for money that $100 — with only a promise of more to come — was all he needed to further an FBI sting operation and spark a chain of events that ended with him confessing to a Peruvian woman's savage death, according to the lawyer who provided the funds.

In a TODAY exclusive, John Q. Kelly, an attorney for Natalee Holloway's mother, offered new details about the sting operation that likely allowed van der Sloot to flee Aruba for Peru.

Van der Sloot has been suspected almost from the beginning of being responsible for Natalee Holloway’s disappearance in Aruba five years ago, and Thursday, Peruvian police told NBC News that he admitted knowing the location of Holloway’s remains. They added that he was willing to tell authorities in Aruba where to find the Alabama teenager’s remains.

In March, van der Sloot reached out to Kelly, demanding $250,000 from Holloway’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, in exchange for leading Kelly to the teenager’s remains, Kelly told TODAY.

Kelly said that when van der Sloot contacted him, he did not think he was going to learn the truth. His feelings, he said, were, “skepticism, caution, assuming everything he was going to tell me was false — but I had to understandably think that it might be true, also; so approach it very carefully and keep communicating.”

Kelly agreed to meet van der Sloot alone and brought no money — angering the suspect. Kelly then called the FBI to set up a sting, telling TODAY it only took $100 to convince van der Sloot to start talking with him again.

'A win-win situation'
Kelly said he ultimately decided he couldn’t lose by playing along with van der Sloot's demands for money in exchange for revealing the location of Holloway's remains.

“It was a win-win situation. He was either going to pay the money, and if the information turned out to be true, Beth would get closure, she’d bring Natalie home. Assuming it was false, it would be extortion and wire fraud once falsehoods are proven. Either way, he’d be boxed in,” Kelly told TODAY. Kelly said van der Sloot wanted $25,000 up front, with the rest to be provided when the remains were recovered and proven to be Holloway’s, Kelly said.

So Kelly went to Aruba in April to meet with van der Sloot without telling anyone but his own wife and Twitty. He met van der Sloot for about two hours in a hotel.

 ::snipping2::
~~~~~

I believe that Joran does know where Natalee is.  Taco said Aruba would go to Lima, but they never did.  Now, since his sentencing, Aruba says they are going to interview him.  I believe Aruba already knows where Natalee is.

JQK has been indispensable in helping Beth in her fight for Justice for Natalee.  God Bless Him!

Mary Hamer is old enough to learn that not all people return love and respect.  The two items do not heal those players.  Some people do not play by the social rule book.  She needs to listen to Anderson Cooper.

I thought it interesting that Joran quoted Camus' The Fall. I believe Paulus described his situation as the same.

http://www.elsevier.nl/web/Nieuws/Nederland/327886/Joran-van-der-Sloot-wil-vonnis-nietig-laten-verklaren.htm

Google translation

Joran will be declared invalid verdict
Monday, January 16, 2012 11:24 p.m.

Dutchman convicted for the murder Joran is the verdict of the court in the Peruvian capital Lima to declare null and void. The court sentenced him Friday to 28 years in prison for the murder of Stephany Flores
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confession
Jiménez to the Peruvian Supreme Court to annul. He must be made within ten days a reasoned letter to the highest legal authority in the South American country. The lawyer says that the courts first confession Van der Sloot never estimated value.

Jimenez is expected by April to get conclusive on the request of Van der Sloot. The annulment is no appeal. It has also considered the lawyer, but he sees it from there. An appeal would prevent the same court and can only lead to reduced sentence.

visits
The lawyer says his client is well established and is always positive. He visited him in prison Pierdas Gordas. He wanted Van der Sloot earlier visits, but this was denied him in their own words.
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http://www.brabantsdagblad.nl/algemeen/bdbinnenland/10278383/Schuldigverklaring-Joran-onhandig.ece

Google translation

"Joran guilty clumsy '
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 | 1:20

LIMA (Reuters) - Joran van der Sloot was not guilty of the charge of the prosecution. That is his former Peruvian lawyer Máximo Altez Monday against the ANP said.

According Altez is unlikely that the complaint is assigned to the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights, now he has declared himself guilty. Joran rights as a suspect in Peru would be harmed.

However Altez still sees opportunities for the complaint that Joran rights as a suspect in the arrest and expulsion from Chile have been violated. ,, Chile to extradite him, and that takes five or six months. They had him just over the border may move, "said Altez.

The lawyer believes that Van der Sloot has been misled, even by the pressure of the media, who had been convicted. ,, He was afraid he could get 35 years or more if he would declare himself not guilty, because they might condemn him for murder.  ::snipping2::

 ::MonkeyCool::

O/T

RE:  Robyn Gardner missing in Aruba

Richard Forester is supposed to be on Levi Page's show in about 25 minutes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12030.msg1503755#msg1503755

Thank you texasmom. 

Well, the commnets on that link that Janet psoted were pretty bad about Mary.
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Regardless, she is enabling him. She gave him the money, he has a fine that a portion had to be paid for before he is released. She wanted to do a ten year Ghandi program with him, whatever that is. Was she going to keep him in her prison because Joran would have no respect for Ghandi unless he was the best poker player in the world. 

Mary "nutso" Hamer needs to sign herself up for some serious counselling.  She obviously has more money than sense and I do wonder about the professionals who have to work with her and their version of her personality.

Adding that IMO Mahatma Gandhi would be turning over in his grave at the thought of his name and beliefs being used to support a cold blooded murderer.

 ::justice2NJ::

Oh  puhleeze!

At trial is for the truly innocent to show they are innocent b/c the prosecutors lack enough evidence to prove them guilty.

He plead guilty of his own free will, and that  was because he thought he could manipulate his way into a lighter sentence.  If he was listening to any bad advice, it was the little monsters in his head.

He doesn't appear to have ever listened to anyone his whole life, so why start right before his trial? He's always  done whatever Joran wanted to do. And when it didn't work out, he blamed it on everyone else.  So now he's blaming us???

Joran Van Der Sloot, by his own actions, put himself where he is. I'm sick of his constant crybaby victimization line.

You break the law, you suffer the consequences, you big jerk.  He needs to stop thinking he is smarter than everyone else, and then crying victim.

Mary Hamer, technically a victim, in reality, a stupid ass, dumb broad.  You need mental help, chick.

I'm very interested in what Ricardo Flores was able to uncover at Castro Castro.  Has there been any word yet?

BBM

Monkey King, look at Reply #290 post.  The family is happy that he was transferred to another prison without his "toys" and privileges!   ::MonkeyDance::

I was with you until you started employing  Zerzetzen Psycho-Terror & Bullying/Mobbing techniques. Mary Hamer, M.D. inked a new international law that went into effect on Jan. 3, 2012. She did this all by herself, in her house!

I believe you have committed HUMANOCIDE, not once, but twice. Both on Joran and Mary.

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Humanocide: A New International Crime
And Human Rights Violation

By Mary Hamer

03 January, 2012
Countercurrents.org
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You will be arrested by two people in tin hats with a pair of pink fuzzy handcuffs and driven away in a Chevy Volt.

You will be driven to Mary's house. (International Court)

You will have the right to watch a 42 inch lcd flatscreen tv.

You will be supplied with an I-Phone.

You will have complete access to her 401k and ten cartons of peppermint soap.

tee hee hee ::MonkeyHaHa::

Her door is not only off its hinges... I believe she has propped it up on two saw horses and is currently using it as a DESK.

 ::MonkeyDevil::   ::monkeywine2::

That dog won't hunt   ::dogwag::

Hee hee!!

We need one of these with Mary in a dunce cap:  ::boxingjoran::

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2823387/posts

(POST #42)

To: vetvetdoug
 

Unfortunately, this woman’s patients are veterans. She is a radiologist at the Lake City Florida VAMC. In the VA, physicians are given 5 weeks of vacation which comes in handy with her Peru trips.
 Interestingly, Dr. Hamer has no disciplinary violations. Her active license is in Florida and she has an inactive one in Alabama and a lapsed one in Michigan.
 
http://www.va.gov/providerinfo/NORTHFLORIDA/detail.asp?providerid=1382

 

http://www.refdag.nl/nieuws/binnenland/aruba_opgelucht_na_veroordeling_1_616280

Google translation

Aruba relieved after conviction
01.17.2012 11:37 | Armand Snijders

ORANGE CITY - In Aruba is great relief that the trial in Peru against Joran Friday after one week ended with a conviction. For Van der Sloot is especially big news in the United States by the disappearance of the teen Nathalee Holloway, five years ago. And that has huge implications for tourism on the Caribbean island.

"Fortunately, the circus temporarily over again," sighs Isaac Mansur, owner of a luxury apartment complex just outside the Aruban capital Oranjestad. Last week, he has disturbed the huge U.S. media attention for Joran van der Sloot. "There were even American journalists on the island to see how we Arubans, glances at the trial in Peru. Especially to find out if we have not forgotten Nathalee Holloway. "
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According to Mansur, the effects of the "American overreaction" reaching. "I've been back a few days heard of cases where American tourists do not dare to go on the cruise because they are afraid and Aruba island to find a murder. That sounds ridiculous, but anyone who puts a foot on the island, makes no money. And feels that the tourism sector. In the months after the disappearance of Holloway, now five years ago, it was much worse. Americans canceled their trip or en masse decided a planned vacation to spend elsewhere. I took that tens of thousands of dollars turnover. "

By the court in Peru the issue was raked up again Nathalee Holloway, the Aruban extra bad. "We are experiencing the last two or three years, the impact of the crisis in the United States," says the owner of a souvenir shop in the heart of Oranjestad. The tourists will stay the well, but they have less money to spend. Previously they ran the store with bags full, now you can be happy if they take a cheap thing. You see it in the rental cars that they drive, which are small family cars instead of SUVs. Too much focus on Joran van der Sloot and Holloway Nathalee may be the final blow mean for businesses in the tourism sector. "

For now, however, the American media storm died down here. Al Mansur fears whether he intends to Van der Sloot to challenge his conviction. "Hopefully it blows over. Attention to Joran van der Sloot and the health of our tourism not just go together. "

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627/ns/today-today_people/t/holloway-attorney-details-van-der-sloot-sting/#.TxSqCXrNmdk

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting

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He gave van der Sloot $10,000 in cash, establishing extortion, then had $15,000 of Twitty's personal money wired to van der Sloot’s bank account in the Netherlands, establishing wire fraud.


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http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627/ns/today-today_people/t/holloway-attorney-details-van-der-sloot-sting/#.TxWXg3rNmdl

Video: Van der Sloot to reveal Holloway remains?

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The beginning of the END for Joran.

Papa Sloot no longer alive to advise his son of the legalities, Joran stoopidly commits extortion and wire fraud.
Unfortunately, Aruba, aware of the sting operation, allows Joran to again go free.  And even more unfortunately, free to kill again.

So Peru knew early in Jorans incarceration, that Joran was responsible for not only Stephany but for NAH as well, and that he was a dangerous, manipulative, lying, murdering POS.

28 years reduced from the max of 30. Just enough shaved off to hopefully be upheld on appeal.

jmo

Sounds like Aruba is still only concerned with their tourism.  They don't get that if they had done the right thing to start with, that the story may have never garnered the international spotlight it did.

They better buck up b/c more headlines are yet to come.

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/nederland/2012/joran-van-der-sloot-wil-strafvermindering/

Joran wants reduced sentence
Updated: 17:00 pm

Joran wants sentences Joran has used the opportunity to appeal to, let his lawyer know. That does not mean that he formally appealed, because he must submit reasoning for this and he has ten days to do so.

His lawyer explains: "Joran said on Friday that he would retain the right to go against the punishment. Thus he could think about it this weekend, after everything that happened. And Monday was seen as 24 hours after delivery, because Saturday and Sunday do not count. 24 hours after delivery, we have a written request for appeal filed. "

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The filing of an appeal does not mean that the case appears again: "The hearings are not held again. It looked back to the punishment. We would not bring down the whole sentence. We only disagree with some points and we want it to be looked at. "

BBM

 ::rhino::

Their indifference is just so insulting and mind-numbing.   There isn't even any surface pretense of caring for the welfare of tourists. Only their tourism stats.   

Ricardo Flores: I think the sentence was not fair but we accept  VIDEO

brucevalladEl father of Stephany Flores also said it is very difficult to defend in Peru, he urged the authorities to provide better facilities for others not go through what he went
 The father of Stephany Flores, Ricardo Flores, said that the sentence the murderer of his daughter, Joran Van der Sloot, 'was not fair "but" we accept it anyway.' Similarly, said he "never felt he had lost his daughter '.

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He indicated that the first time I saw van der Sloot during the trial, was affected and had to retire. "I thought I'd beaten him again, lean, as anyone who thinks that happens to a man in jail. But there was more fat and proud, and would not listen to the authorities, "he said.

 He said 'never felt he had lost his daughter'. "What I feel I have lost is the body of my daughter. The soul of my daughter I have it with me, "he said.

 Finally, he asked reporters not to follow call to provide statements on the subject. Similarly, urged the authorities to 'other people do not go through what happened'. "It's very difficult to defend in Peru," said

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-17-ricardo-flores-creo-que-la-sentencia-no-fue-justa-pero-la-aceptamos-noticia_441503.html

Stephany Father Flores: "The sentence has not been the fairest"
 
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Although he confessed that he saw the Dutch indignant pride and selfless attitude, as if it were not affected by its previous closure now expected to go on a trip Flores with his family and close together wounds. Indeed, announced in the news TV show "90 Seconds" that I'm not talking about it with reporters.

 I'm not going to talk anymore about it with the press, I thank the support they have given me. Please do not call me again for this issue, "he said.

 Even he said, has asked his friends to not re-refer the case. "Let's pretend that did not happen, because it upsets me that I always come to me and my family, trying to support us, but we do more damage," said the businessman.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1362017/noticia-padre-stephany-flores-sentencia-no-ha-sido-mas-justa

Case against Joran Van der Sloot
 Stephany Father Flores: 'I've never felt I lost my daughter'

 Ricardo Flores gave his last statement to the media.

Ricardo Flores, father of Stephany Flores, believes that he does not feel the loss of her daughter. "What I feel I have lost is the body of my daughter. The soul of my daughter I have it with me, "he said.

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Similarly, he said that when he saw Van der Sloot thought him again beaten and skinny. "But I was more fat and proud, and would not listen to the authorities," he told news 90 seconds'.
 
 Finally, thanks for the support that the press had given the case and asked them not to continue calling for comment on the issue because you want to start mourning her daughter. He also called on the authorities to do a better job so that other people do not go through what he has passed. "It's very difficult to defend in Peru," he said.

http://www.larepublica.pe/17-01-2012/padre-de-stephany-flores-nunca-he-sentido-que-perdi-mi-hija