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OMG! Did anybody else hear Megan Kelly from Fox say that Cutt's uncle screamed out loud in front of the courthouse  "If she is such a "Christian" woman, then why was she having two children out of wedlock with a married man"!  From what I understand she didn't know he was married, however, that is Unimportant at this point....  Is he 'freakin' suggesting that justifys his nephew to murder a girl and his unborn child!  :evil:    Lord have Mercy!  Show's what kind of family he has..   :roll:

Even Jessies' mom stated to keep his wife and other children in there prayers, they are victims to!

:lol:

Janet did u cheat??? I'm telling robots on you.  :lol:

Sorry Robots  :oops:

Yapper ... you are a trouble maker!   :evil:

Janet

JANET IS A CHEATER

 :smt033

Cavuto is treading on dangerous ground, i dont like his line of questioning AT ALL

What's he saying, Blah?

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cavuto is barking up the wrong tree

that DOG doesnt hunt  8)

cavuto is barking up the wrong tree

that DOG doesnt hunt  8)

Anna
You've gone jungle.  I like it.

It's supposed to be "that DOG don't hunt"  you have to say don't and not doesn't. LOL

BTW I gave Janet permission to jump in early...what's wrong?   :lol:  :lol:

smarty pants  8)  :twisted:

Yes, today I even have a little monkey!

 :D


Did you see the cops are beating up on the tourists now in Aruba?  I believe that's what the article MsMarple posted says.  

I thought it was fighting between two gangs.  Wish we had a Pap translator who could tell us what it was all about.

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where is this posted?

It's supposed to be "that DOG don't hunt"  you have to say don't and not doesn't. LOL

BTW I gave Janet permission to jump in early...what's wrong?   :lol:  :lol:

http://tinyurl.com/2azco8

Scroll down to her post then click on Dairio link to see the gory pictures.

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You can also click on the link to the Murder and Crime Thread in my signature.

 :D

And also from the earlier pot raids,  it appears that the "two live cartridges" is correct as that is all that is beside the little pistol.  Also maybe five beside the semi-auto Uzi.  

Why would these people have guns and no ammo for them?  So if the cops didn't find the ammo, what else did they miss?  

 :roll:

Off to try to scrape the dust off my front porch.  That's really a joke around here as more will blow back before I finish.  But I do remember grass.  Sort of.

 :(

Tamikosmom is sooo confused.   :(

I'm going waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay  off topic here but I know theres a lot folks in here that have a wealth of knowledge with animals and pets and such.

I need a good resource to obtain as much information as I can about salt water fish, tanks, filters, pumps, stands, rocks, correls, whatever, etc

The whole kit and kaboodle.

Any one know much about this stuff?

My youngest son's inlaws are hard working Dutch American immigrants who settled 25 years ago in the Dutch Dairy community of Lynden Washington just across the Canadian/American border.  Anyways ... his in-law's home inside and out is always immaculate ... short curtains on every window ... pictures of Holland displayed from the walls in every room. My daughter-in-law shared that it is a common saying about Dutch women ... they clean windows because it is Wednesday ... not becuse  they are dirty.

Anna ... do I have it right?

Janet

I'm going waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay  off topic here but I know theres a lot folks in here that have a wealth of knowledge with animals and pets and such.

I need a good resource to obtain as much information as I can about salt water fish, tanks, filters, pumps, stands, rocks, correls, whatever, etc

The whole kit and kaboodle.

Any one know much about this stuff?

I'm going waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay  off topic here but I know theres a lot folks in here that have a wealth of knowledge with animals and pets and such.

I need a good resource to obtain as much information as I can about salt water fish, tanks, filters, pumps, stands, rocks, correls, whatever, etc

The whole kit and kaboodle.

Any one know much about this stuff?

What did the tourists do to cause such a reaction in the ALE?  Can anyone tell by reading it?  I can't figure it out, you'd think as much as I have read I would be able to decipher this better.

I'm going waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay  off topic here but I know theres a lot folks in here that have a wealth of knowledge with animals and pets and such.

I need a good resource to obtain as much information as I can about salt water fish, tanks, filters, pumps, stands, rocks, correls, whatever, etc

The whole kit and kaboodle.

Any one know much about this stuff?

I have a saltwater tank.

Roll them in a mixture of cornmeal and flour with seasoning to taste?

 :D

Blah,
Can you see this aquarium in the background the Scottie is looking at?  Belongs to a friend of mine.  I think he said he was growing coral?  When he gets home I will ask him for information for you.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Dogs%20of%20Mine/167954209aIPhlZ_th.jpg)

thanks,
what i need to find is a good website or a good book or 2

can you recommend any good books or websites for reference?

Blah I will also say that I learned alot of information from different boards. The subject is very complicated, and you can sink alot of money into things if you don't learn about it first, especially saltwater aquariums. ?So you are doing the right thing in seeking information .

http://www.reefbuilders.com/forums/register.php?do=register

http://saltaquarium.about.com/mpboards.htm

http://www.reeftopia.com/?gclid=CJ7qiee3-IwCFRuxgAod0CiVCw

bleachedblack,
thanks alot for the books and links.

You are very welcome. I just checked and the Delbeek book is on Ebay with a going price of 26.00 which is not bad. So much has been learned in recent years about keeping saltwater aquariums, and corals, so be careful to by a book recently published for best info.

lots of good info, especially on those forums - exactly what I was looking for!!

The old lady sure is gonna be busy reading!

Dang screwed up the quote.

Blah are you starting  a tank?

Several years ago I did some research on salt water aquariums, bought a tank, was looking at filtration systems, built a cabinet for the tank and then something in me said WTH!  Sold the tank at a loss and got as far away from that idea as I could!!!!!! lol

i might be, reluctantly.  We will see after she starts seeing all what is involved.

the old lady has high blood pressure/alot of stress and is thinks looking at the fishes will help. :smt102  

Hell if it keeps her busy and helps with the stress, i'll put one in every room in the house   :lol:

Several years ago I did some research on salt water aquariums, bought a tank, was looking at filtration systems, built a cabinet for the tank and then something in me said WTH!  Sold the tank at a loss and got as far away from that idea as I could!!!!!! lol

O/T

I don't know who this is but this sounds like yet another horror story!  Pro Wrestler Chris Benoit and wife and child found dead in their home.  Don't think cause given as yet.  Is on AJC news.

http://my.ajc.com/W5RH029B1C74608F0F47A31A9FA780

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can you recommend any good books or websites for reference?

How horrible.  Wonder how they died?

A lot of these wrestlers are on drugs.  Not that it's a big surprise.  Just like how the wrestler the British Bulldog died.

I'm going waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay  off topic here but I know theres a lot folks in here that have a wealth of knowledge with animals and pets and such.

I need a good resource to obtain as much information as I can about salt water fish, tanks, filters, pumps, stands, rocks, correls, whatever, etc

The whole kit and kaboodle.

Any one know much about this stuff?

Right, but that wouldn't answer his family being found dead too.

A lot of these wrestlers are on drugs.  Not that it's a big surprise.  Just like how the wrestler the British Bulldog died.

EDITED:  I didn't realize he family I thought it was just him.

I know it takes $$$$$! And I know it is very tricky to raise salt-water fish because there are so many variables in the water temp, salinity, pH, etc. that can easily kill a VERY expensive specimen. Get LOTS of info before you take that plunge...  (I would LOVE to have one myself but I am scared of them)

I am back.Any News from Aruba and Tim

Blah
Mr Dr. office use to have a small tank...
had some live fish in it  & some fakes from "Finding Nemo"

About 2 months ago ... I noticed that it had been replaced with a small TV playing DVDS..  of different fish tanks  :shock: About 30min per tank.
Even had the sound of filter bubbling away & one trying to jump out of the tank  :lol:


Just a thought :wink:

I am back.Any News from Aruba and Tim

I know it takes $$$$$! And I know it is very tricky to raise salt-water fish because there are so many variables in the water temp, salinity, pH, etc. that can easily kill a VERY expensive specimen. Get LOTS of info before you take that plunge...  (I would LOVE to have one myself but I am scared of them)

I am back.Any News from Aruba and Tim

I know it takes $$$$$! And I know it is very tricky to raise salt-water fish because there are so many variables in the water temp, salinity, pH, etc. that can easily kill a VERY expensive specimen. Get LOTS of info before you take that plunge...  (I would LOVE to have one myself but I am scared of them)

i might be, reluctantly.  We will see after she starts seeing all what is involved.

the old lady has high blood pressure/alot of stress and is thinks looking at the fishes will help. :smt102  

Hell if it keeps her busy and helps with the stress, i'll put one in every room in the house   :lol:

Welcome back!

LORENZO WAS ARRESTED IN A DRUG BUST!

This is Lorenzo!!!

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Indydan - here are more photos of Lorenzo in case you missed them:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Lorenzopics.jpg)

this is probably ALOT cheaper from what I'm see'ing  :lol:

He looks so pretty in cuffs.One down,many more to go

Hello Monkeys!!
Whoever told us that Lorenzo was good looking,was lying their ass off.

He looks so pretty in cuffs.One down,many more to go

Hello Monkeys!!
Whoever told us that Lorenzo was good looking,was lying their ass off.

Lorenzo looks like he might have had his hair parted in the middle, when he had hair. Like the guy in the Carla Baron sketch?

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h122/EasyWriter/Lorenzo-popeye.gif)

I yam what I yam!

Hiya Monkeys

Welcome home Tiger
Elaine whoever said Lorenzo was good looking needs their eyes examined by a real optometrist.  :lol:

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h122/EasyWriter/Lorenzo-popeye.gif)

I yam what I yam!

I kinda see a similarity with this guy  and Lorenzo...........

(http://www.johngilmore.com/Books/images/Charles-Manson--Early.gif)

Charles Manson

I just got off the phone with my friend who went to Aruba last week and came back on Saturday.  I said well how did you like it.  She was very nervous about being robbed.  She said she was so disappointed and would have to seriously think about going back there.  I said when was the last time you were there and she said 3 years ago and it has changed so much.

- She said one evening she went to a restaurant (El Gaucho) and she heard a couple talking about a break in.  She went over to someone at the restaurant and asked what happened and apparently someone broke into their car (smashed their window) and took some stuff of theirs.

- On the plane ride coming home she spoke to another woman and she left her stuff in the glove compartment and they took the whole car.  This woman was frantic because she had no money and her credit cards were in the car.  She said she filed a police report and it took them over an hour to respond.

- She went to another restaurant and she found all these extra charges on her bill.  She called the lady over and asked them to explain what one of the charges were and the woman said well this goes to the restaurant and this is for the employee’s salary.

- She went to another restaurant and it seemed so desolate.  She was very afraid.  Someone suggested to her if you are going to go to this particular restaurant make sure you go at 5 before it gets dark.

O/T
Missing 17 year old in AZ.  About 6 miles from my house.


http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=3588879&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

AZ Sunny, there are too many of these cases these days. Sorry one hit close to home.

Bad news AZSunny I think maybe they have located the body of the young girl. I am so sorry for her family. What a tradgedy....once again.

Sheriff: Body may be linked to missing girl

http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=6708313

You are right, it is a threatening world anymore for young women.   '

I also noticed the partial part line in Lorenzos hair.  It is almost looks like what some of the black basketball players, and I am sure others do, to create an appearance of a part.

I just got off the phone with my friend who went to Aruba last week and came back on Saturday.  I said well how did you like it.  She was very nervous about being robbed.  She said she was so disappointed and would have to seriously think about going back there.  I said when was the last time you were there and she said 3 years ago and it has changed so much.

- She said one evening she went to a restaurant (El Gaucho) and she heard a couple talking about a break in.  She went over to someone at the restaurant and asked what happened and apparently someone broke into their car (smashed their window) and took some stuff of theirs.

- On the plane ride coming home she spoke to another woman and she left her stuff in the glove compartment and they took the whole car.  This woman was frantic because she had no money and her credit cards were in the car.  She said she filed a police report and it took them over an hour to respond.

- She went to another restaurant and she found all these extra charges on her bill.  She called the lady over and asked them to explain what one of the charges were and the woman said well this goes to the restaurant and this is for the employee’s salary.

- She went to another restaurant and it seemed so desolate.  She was very afraid.  Someone suggested to her if you are going to go to this particular restaurant make sure you go at 5 before it gets dark.

Bad news AZSunny I think maybe they have located the body of the young girl. I am so sorry for her family. What a tradgedy....once again.

Sheriff: Body may be linked to missing girl

http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=6708313

You know, I found her myspace site today (it's set to private) but it said she was online?  Maybe someone was checking her myspace site for clues and signed on with her name?

You know, I found her myspace site today (it's set to private) but it said she was online?  Maybe someone was checking her myspace site for clues and signed on with her name?

How strange.  Did you all hear about this earlier?  I have had a day from hell at work, and wasn't able to check on line.

Elaine the car rental damage scam happens in a lot of places. Any time we rent a car we take pics of the inside & outside from all angles b4 we ever get into the vehicle & make a rep from the company stand there while we do it.

Elaine the car rental damage scam happens in a lot of places. Any time we rent a car we take pics of the inside & outside from all angles b4 we ever get into the vehicle & make a rep from the company stand there while we do it.

I posted something about TES from Greta's blog a few pages back.. :smt102

Klaas,

Did you get a chance to look through what I sent you early today? :?:

I don't think this Cutts guy is stupid, it  was probably a case of him getting loaded, angry, going over there and having an anger outburst.
Then, he tried to cover it up.
Guy seems like a powder keg.

<< Snip>>

San After hearing your friends story I have got to ask ?
Are you are not the type says  "I'm sorry you had a uncomfortable vactation"...BUT
 I TOLD YOU NOT TO GO TO ARUBA
Just wondering

There was a forensic psychologist on Hannity tonight talking about sociopaths and why they tell such outrageous lies.  They lack feelings and so do not intuitively feel when another person is lying.  Therefore, they don't understand why we don't believe them.  They don't get the gut feeling they are being lied to themselves because they don't get feelings normally or nearly as much as normal people.

That is why they can also inflict pain on others, lack of empathy.  They don't feel for others and so while they might regard it as a curiosity, they don't feel the pain of another the way a normal person would do.

He went on to describe this lack of feelings as the main trait of a sociopath.

Does that explain Joran's lying and changing his story to see if he is believed on the new one or what???  Of course this guy was talking about Cutts but it fit Joran also to a "T"!

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That is exactly what I told her.

I would have saidI'm sorry you had a uncomfortable vactation but I am so glad you were able to make it home safely. Some folks never do make it home."...

Apparently this wrestler was famous?  Also was from Canada originally, Kat Gram.

The son was 7 years old.  Still no cause of death being given.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/06/25/wrestler.dead.ap/

Good evening, all!

Ok, so I have been away for a while, but I just have to ask........

Did someone say LORENZO?  Are all of these pictures of the same guy that we couldn't find ANY pictures of 2 years ago??????

I am in shock. <shaking head>

Who :shock:

I just got off the phone with my friend who went to Aruba last week and came back on Saturday.  I said well how did you like it.  She was very nervous about being robbed.  She said she was so disappointed and would have to seriously think about going back there.  I said when was the last time you were there and she said 3 years ago and it has changed so much.

- She said one evening she went to a restaurant (El Gaucho) and she heard a couple talking about a break in.  She went over to someone at the restaurant and asked what happened and apparently someone broke into their car (smashed their window) and took some stuff of theirs.

- On the plane ride coming home she spoke to another woman and she left her stuff in the glove compartment and they took the whole car.  This woman was frantic because she had no money and her credit cards were in the car.  She said she filed a police report and it took them over an hour to respond.

- She went to another restaurant and she found all these extra charges on her bill.  She called the lady over and asked them to explain what one of the charges were and the woman said well this goes to the restaurant and this is for the employee’s salary.

- She went to another restaurant and it seemed so desolate.  She was very afraid.  Someone suggested to her if you are going to go to this particular restaurant make sure you go at 5 before it gets dark.

I just can't believe it.  He does exist!  OMFG, sorry if I offend anyone.

I just really can't believe it.

Apparently this wrestler was famous?  Also was from Canada originally, Kat Gram.

The son was 7 years old.  Still no cause of death being given.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/06/25/wrestler.dead.ap/

Good Freakin lord.. Charging extra on credit card to pay saleries.. I would have called credit card company and tell them to stop the charge[/b]

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(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranLorenzoCompare.jpg)

Hi all.

Actually Sue that is a great idea.  San, they can call whatever the credit card co. was (visa/mc etc) and report the merchant.  That is called merchant fraud and they should lose their ability to accept credit cards.  There are rules and clearly that is in violation.

The more these pirates get reported, the better off the public is.

Sorry Klaas it's the 4th picture that looks the most like Popeye to me.   :lol:

I read they are investigating it as a murder suicide  :cry:

Yes, and I responded.  :wink:

Jessica's mother said she went to bed early every night, like at 8:30 normally.

I think what Cutts did was premeditated.  He waited until he was sure she would be fast asleep to sneak up on her and kill her.

Just my opinion but to me it reeks of premeditation by his wasting all that time in the bar before going over.  Also seemed to have someone in mind to assist.  Guess she is going to say she didn't know anything about it until after Jessica was dead but I wonder.

We will see but I think he thought since he had gotten away with everything up until then, he would push it a little more because he thought he could get away yet again.

Guess the investigation will bring out more details so we can know better if he planned to do this when he went there so late at night.

With his own two year old son present.   :evil:

My next door neighbors are going to Aruba in the fall with another couple.  Thank God they are not taking the kids.  I must have come accross pretty strong the day she first told me because she doesn't mention it anymore.

She said her travel agent recommended it because it's really affordable now.  GEEZ, I WONDER WHY????????

UGH, disgusted with Aruba and the whole Lorenzo stuff.

Who

So who did Joran and Lorenzo get their big ugly ears from?  They both got 'em.  Paulus doesn't have those..........

Hmmmmmm

Who

Hi all.

Actually Sue that is a great idea.  San, they can call whatever the credit card co. was (visa/mc etc) and report the merchant.  That is called merchant fraud and they should lose their ability to accept credit cards.  There are rules and clearly that is in violation.

The more these pirates get reported, the better off the public is.

Whodunit
I sure wish there was a way your neighbor could talk with San's friend
Oh SAN.... any chance of your friend attempting to post something on one the Aruba Tavel boards... You know where they trips are reported as being sooooo Wonderful ?  
just wondering

From the devil.

Whodunit
I sure wish there was a way your neighbor could talk with San's friend
Oh SAN.... any chance of your friend attempting to post something on one the Aruba Tavel boards... You know where they trips are reported as being sooooo Wonderful ?  
just wondering

search back a page. Easy saw the same thing and posted it.

WHO,

Good to see you.  Been a very long time!

SAN,

Well, the fact is you did try to warn your friend and she wouldn't listen to you.

When you're right, you're right!

 :D

something sounds totally illegal about that.. I would think they would have to post that.. Like going to any cash machine that isn't your bank they tell you , you will be charged a fee and you have to agree to it...  If I was that lady I would seriously be checking into that

From the devil.

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h122/EasyWriter/Lorenzo-popeye.gif)

I yam what I yam!

Did they ever find that girl, the teacher, in Georgia?  I never did hear.......

OF my friend wouldn't do that.  She is not good with the computer that way.  I did ask her to type out what happened and she said she would send it to me.  What I typed was a little summary of our conversation.

No they did not.

I also think that her boyfriend killed her.

SAN
It was just a thought.... do you think they would talk with Who's neighbor ??

SAN
It was just a thought.... do you think they would talk with Who's neighbor ??

If someone visiting Aruba calls a credit card company and blocks a charge like that, they better be on the plane heading back to the US, if not safely home already. Do that over there and ALE and MEP and AHATA will be accusing YOU of fraud and the goon squad will come for you at your hotel. You can mark that down.

Tara Grinstead.  That's awful.  In what percentage of murdered/missing women does it turn out that a spouse or bf did it?  Just curious.........

I don't know the percentage but it seems just about ALL of them!

And wasn't this BF also a cop???



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I am just BESIDE myself tonight seeing this story about the girl in AZ. It is like one or more of these happen every day. The fact is that the Internet makes it possible to find out about them and so we see the real magnitude of this nightmare.

A YOUNG LADY SHOULD NOT BE AT HOME ALONE. Period. I realize it's not always possible to avoid that situation but it BETTER not be for long. Kaitlin Aydell... same thing.

These creeps are on the prowl looking for girls sitting around the house with no one else around, and invading the home and snatching them. And the victims almost NEVER survive.

Did they ever find that girl, the teacher, in Georgia?  I never did hear.......

tara grinstead... no they didn't


great to see you who, btw!

I don't know the percentage but it seems just about ALL of them!

And wasn't this BF also a cop???

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:roll:  

Has anyone other than me ... been thinking/typing away at a post...
and the Smoke Alarm  starts screaming away   :shock:  :shock:  :?  
I know I got the oven pre-heating  but... but..

Get to the kitchen   no flames....Fan the alarm, fan it more, pull the battery out..
check the oven..
Yup left a pan in it with some drippings in it  :oops:

klaasend


Maybe this one...
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Lorenzovancompare.jpg)

Does it look like the van guy has  wire rim / arm style glasses on ?

And do me a favor ....
Just back away from you monitor 6+ ft  and see it it changes for you

Just wondering

Old fart the oven is not the place for hiding dirty dishes or pans. :lol:  :lol:

I don't know the percentage but it seems just about ALL of them!

And wasn't this BF also a cop???

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Anna, Rod Wheeler is on BOR and he said the Jessie Davis murder looks like it was premeditated.  They think he had the chemicals before he went to her house.

Yep, Scary, huh?

I won't watch BOR after last week's stupid anti-woman comments by him.... he basically stated that he was only covering this story for the ratings...

Thanks for the info, mrs.  That's disgusting.

KLAAS or ******* or Anyone Who Can,

Will you see if you can post the photo of the tourist beaten up by ALE on Page 25 of the Murder and Crime Thread from the article MsMarple posted today?

I want to catch it before they take it down at the paper website.

TIA!

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Anna, Rod Wheeler is on BOR and he said the Jessie Davis murder looks like it was premeditated.  They think he had the chemicals before he went to her house.

Done  :wink:

KLAAS or ******* or Anyone Who Can,

Will you see if you can post the photo of the tourist beaten up by ALE on Page 25 of the Murder and Crime Thread from the article MsMarple posted today?

I want to catch it before they take it down at the paper website.

TIA!

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Done  :wink:

Anna
was this the one http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/pelea_2.jpg

If so Klaasend already has it

Yes, OF,

That's the one!  Yes, Klaas just posted it there to go with the article.

It says the polis and touristen which would be plural for tourists so I tend to think this is one of the touristen they have roughed up and arrested.

Maybe he didn't like the extra charges on his credit card bill,  :shock:

Anna,

You just have to export a PDF file to a jpg image to be able to post it from photobucket.

Lets see spend a thousnad dollars or more and go to aruba and get crap beat out of yourself or stay HOME  

I vote stay home

Also,  when looking at Diario, does anyone close the screen for Diario and
and have a bunch of Aruban looking women in Lingerie staring at them?

It is strange, and it has happened the last two times I have searched for pictures from the website.  Lat night I did a quick scan, but it happened again tonight.

Yeah, but I don't know how to do that.

 :(

JQK / Kalpoe Search / 5-16-07

"I think when you are preparing a case you just have to have a good knowledge of the layout of relevant areas."

ETA: 8)

Does he only own one shirt?
Or where all these pics taken on the same day?

OT but concerning Texas EquuSearch:

I read an obituary today in the Austin American-Statesman about a husband and wife that died in a boating accident.  In lieu of flowers, the family requested that donations be made to Texas EquuSearchor to a church named in the obituary.  I wonder if EquuSearch helped in the recovery.  It's great that the family suggested a donation to such a wonderful group, to help others.

Good morning Tiger. Good to see you back. Look forward to details of The Trip.

Off to scan for murder & mayhem on Aruba.

Gang di Santa Cruz a demostra magnitud violencia
Aruba den estado di alarma!
 
*Crimen organiza ta peor cu casonan individual
*A permiti scarcedad Polis alcanza 166!

ORANJESTAD (AAN) — Polis a adverti pa loke ta pasando. Gobierno no a haci caso pero cu un sonrisa Ministro di Husticia a deshaci di e alarma cu Polis a bati lunanan pasa. Awor Aruba ta biba den estado di alarma, despues cu no e gangnan cu tabata conoci pero un gang cu a ranca sali inesperadamente ta pone Aruba biba den estado di alarma.

E irresponsabilidad grandi di Gobierno, cu a gasta placa pa loco ariba celebracionnan, viahenan y tur loke por a causa un buraco grandi mientras ta ricibi BBO, ta resalta den e hecho cu e promer necesidadnan di Aruba no a worde cubri. A permiti e scarcedad di Polis alcanza 166 manera Ministro di Husticia mes a bisa y ta 15 e por tuma den servicio. Con Polis, manera Diasabra anochi por sigui traha den e situacion actual, mientras Pueblo ta biba den gara di miedo pa violencia, no ta conoci. DIARIO a worde mustra ariba e gran realidad: criminalidad di Aruba no ta asunto mas di casonan individual manera pelea, pero Aruba a conoce e peligro mas grandi cu ta crimen organiza, mas dificil pa combati ora permitie haya raiz!

For di temporada di Carnaval, Polis a haci su trabao di mustra Gobierno cu situacion ta sali for di man. Ministro di Husticia a haci bofon di e informacion cu el a ricibi y cu hendenan, cu manera semper tin pa sostene loke gobernantenan kier pretende, a produci supuesto cifra pa mustra cu ta algun crimen chikito so Aruba conoce.

Awor cu e bom a rementa den man di Ministro di Husticia, cu aparicion di un gang sumamente peligroso, cu ningun hende tabata sabi cu ta existi na Santa Cruz, Polis y ciudadanonan mester paga pe.

DIARIO ta worde inunda cu personanan cu ta acerca DIARIO pa mustra nan preocupacion grandi y e impacto cu e situacion actual tin den nan bida. Mayornan tin miedo pa muchanan bandona cas, pa nada no pasa.

“Mi yiu semper tabata bay cu su amigonan. Awor no ta bay trip mas. Mi no por relaha te ora tur hende ta na cas,” un mayor preocupa a duna di conoce. E hecho cu Diasabra a pone henter un shift di Polis keda na trabao pa por evita otro explosion di violencia, a causa mas panico den Pueblo. Mas ainda pasobra ningun hende tabata prepara pa e violencia cu a manifesta su mes y demostra cu tin gang sumamente peligroso.

“Bo ta tende di gang. Bo ta kere cu ta hobennan cu ta enfrenta otro. Pero tira otro, horta auto di Polis, hasta bay kima auto den cura di Centro di Husticia, ta algo hororoso,” un ciudadano a mustra. E ta uno di e grupo grandi cu ta teme pa nan bienestar personal, mas ainda pasobra no tin placa pa paga loke normalmente ta yuda evita criminalidad bati na bo porta.

“Electricidad a bira caro. Bo no por cende luz manera bo kier. Gastonan ta enorme. Hende cu bon entrada so por tin un sistema di alarma. Bo ta sinti bo insigur den caya y insigur na cas,” un ciudadano a bisa.

Mientrastanto Gobierno lo mester percura pa aumenta e cantidad di Polis. E total di 15 cu kier tuma den servicio, lo no alivia e situacion grave. Pueblo ta fada di scucha con Gobierno ta abusa di placa, manera e viahe di Nelson Oduber pa China. “Cada rato uno a bay otro lugar. Chofer. Bodyguard. Coordinador. Oficina. Y Pueblo nada,” a worde mustra na DIARIO.

Den tur bario awor ta existi e temor cuanto gangnan scondi tin y kende ta duna nan yudanza. Hobennan ariba nan mes, no tin placa pa arma. Kico ta pasa na Aruba? Di un dia pa otro e isla ta den un estado di alarma, cu por a preveni si Gobierno a actua na tempo, manera a mustra DIARIO.

3 LUNA CONDICIONAL, PA TIRA MOLOTOV COCKTAIL FALSO  
 
ORANJESSTAD(AAN): Recientemente Andre Samuel Saladin a presenta dilanti di huez, despues cu el a wordo acusa di a menaza un famia. Ta asina cu e acusacion ta encera cu na April 2007, Saladin a tira algo cu mester tabata parce un Molotov cocktail den cura di hende. E acusado a bisa den corte cu el a yena un botter di cerbez cu awa y a pone un pida camisa den e botter, pa gaña hasi manera e tabata un Molotov Cocktail.

El a splica cu e tabata tin sospecho cu e persona cu lo ta biba na e caso ey, a duna su sobrina un pildo, pa despues probecha di dje sexualmente. Saladin a splica cu e tabata bao di influencia di alcohol y e tabata convenci cu un persona bibando na e cas a viola su sobrina.

Fiscal a pidi un castigo di 6 luna, kitando e 10 dianan cu el a sinta caba den detencion preventivo. E tempo cu resta mester bira un castigo condicional. Ademas di esaki e ta haya cu e acusado mester paga un multa di 1500 florin, of sinta 30 dia den KIA.

Huez a trece dilanti e strafblad di Saladin cu tabata tin varios castigo di ladronicia na Hulanda y un castigo condicional pa intento di maltrato severo na Aruba. For di chikito Saladin a cuminza uza marihuana, despues di cual el a uza tambe ecstasy y cocaina.

Abogado Vito Carlo defendiendo e acusado a bisa huez cu e ta haya cu Ministerio Publico a actua contra derechonan di su cliente, door cu nan a tene 10 dia deteni, sin cu esaki tabata necesario. Saladin a admiti loke el a hasi y durante e 10 dianan nan no a hasi ningun investigacion mas den e caso aki, pues nan por a lage bay mas lihe.

Mirando esaki el a pidi huez pa declara e O.M “niet ontvankelijk”, pues pa laga su cliente bay, liber di acusacion. Fiscal a trece dilanti cu si bo kier pa Ministerio Publico wordo declara “niet ontvankelijk”, mester bin cu motibonan huridico bon splica.

Huez den su veredicto a tene cuento cu loke abogado y fiscal a trece dilanti y a duna Saladin un castigo di 3 luna kitando e tempo sinta caba. E tempo cu resta ta bira un castigo condicional. Ademas di esaki e mester paga un multa di 750 florin, of sinta 15 dia na KIA.

Hi Muffy ~ catching up from last night, so probably been answered.  But, yes, they did help in that search.....I saw the write-up in the Statesman also.

tcumom-
I saw this on the TES site last week... this must be the people you are referring to.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/TexasEquusearch2.jpg)

MsMarple,

What on earth is going on in Aruba?  Sounds like gangs out of control, resodents in fear, state of emergency, pills for sexualamente, total chaos!

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

VICTIMA DI TIRAMENTO A PERDE UN NIER
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN):Keto bay dokternan ta trahando duro pa scapa bida di e hoben cu a ser tira algun dia pasa na Sta Cruz.

E hobennan aki a ser tira pa e hoben Edmond Lo-A-Njoe na Macuarima. Su situacion tabata hopi serio pasobra el a haya tiro den barica cu a haci daño na diferente parti di su curpa.

El a bora su tripa, higra, ader mayor y nier. Na mas cu un occasion dokternan mester a drenta sala di operacion despues cu e victima a ser interna pa bringa y trata na scapa su bida.

E siman aki a habri y atrobe e victima ta den noticia pasobra el a perde un nier. Aki tambe sangramento interno a causa cu el a hera fayece.

Expertonan medico di Dr Horacio Oduber Hospital ta den un lucha formal pa evita cu e hoben aki por perde su bida.

E ta den cuido intensivo y critico unda no ta mira un mehoracion tampoco. Spera cu Dios ilumina e mannan di e dokternan pa asina nan por logra trece e stabilidad necesario pa bida di e hoben aki.

Net e ciudadano kende semper a boga pa mihor servicio di Ambulans na Aruba...
SCARCEDAD DI AMBULANS A RESULTA FATAL PA CAPITAN MEDINA
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): E momento a yega pa algo worde haci! Tin di cuminza for di paden di e nucleo y bin pafo. Den seno di Salubridad Publico tin di worde haci un investigacion pa pone Minister responsible pa negligencia, cu Diadomingo no tabatin ambulans disponible pa un situacion serio. No por ta asina cu pa motibo cu no tin ambulans disponible, debi cu e tabata ocupa cu un otro transporte... no por a haya servicio di ambulans pa bay cu urgencia pa salba bida di un ciudadano kende a confronta problema na Boca Catalina.

Tabata un unidad di Polis cu ta pasando altura di Boca Catalina a worde para. Aki a bin tende cu un homber kende tabata snorkel den e area, diripiente a haya problema cu salud.

Polis mesora a cuminza pidi pa un Ambulans. Aki e contesta a bin cu a laga hopi hende babuca. Ta un solo Ambulans tabatin pa sirbi 100.000 habitante. anto e no por duna asistencia e momento ey na Boca Catalina.

Esaki ta exactamente loke algun turista recien a reclama caba. Nan ta haya cu e area mas panort di Aruba, mester ricibi sikiera un Police-Station y un Ambulance-Station pa yudanza mas rapido. No a keda otro alternativa pa yama pidi yudanza di un compania particular. Un personal di EMS kende tabata riba caya, a ricibi yamada y a acudi cu urgencia cu su equiponan pa cuminza traha.

Mientras tanto, esnan na tera a logra trece e homber na canto y a cuminza practica CPR riba dje. Esnan cu e momento ta na e lugar di e sucedido tabata basta rabia pa e sistema di Siglo 21 na Aruba, esta cu no tabata tin ambulans disponible den un caso di urgencia. Ora cu e ambulans particular a presenta tur cu tin, esnan di EMS a take over y a sigui cu CPR riba e homber.

Pero na yegada na Hospital, no por a haci nada mas. Docter a haye ta constata morto di Guillermo Juan Ricardo Medina naci na Aruba riba 2 di augustus 1950. E ta conoci na Aruba como “Capitan Medina”.

Anto net Capitan Medina aki ta un ciudadano kende na numeroso ocasion den pasado tabata boga pa e placa di Belasting di pueblo worde usa na un forma cu ta beneficia pueblo. Envez cu placa di Belasting ta worde hinca den saco di gobernantenan... e tabata expresa na varios periodista cu placa tin di bay pa mihor School, mihor Cuido Medico, y mihor Ambulans. Net e ciudadano aki, kende semper a boga pa tin un mihor sistema di Ambulans na Aruba... net el a perde su bida debi cu no tabatin Ambulans di Gobierno e momento ey pa yude.

Varios persona a comenta Dialuna, cu nan ta convenci cu si acaso a logra haya Ambulans na prome instancia... ainda bida di e ciudadano lo por a worde salba. Esnan cu pasa banda di Post di Ambulans lo por mira varios vehiculo staciona. Pero no ta paga overtime, pues no tin trahador pa core cune.

Capitan Medina ta worde recorda como un persona kende semper tin pueblo y turismo na pecho. E tabata yuda semper pa promove Aruba cerca e bishitantenan. E mes tabatin un compania di Charter Yate, y tabata gusta conta tur turista extensivamente di loke e isla aki nifica pa su hendenan.

E tabata un persona kende a cuminza reclama di e abuso di algun compania nobo di Watersports cu no ta nada beneficioso pa e pueblo Arubano. E tabata un persona kende semper ta duna su opinion na un forma responsable, y cu backup.

E tabata semper contra tur clase di nepotismo, y sigur tabata condena semper cualkier deroche di placa cu Gobernantenan tabata haci nan mes culpable na dje. E negligencia di esnan responsible den e caso aki e minister tin di carga e responsabilidad ya cu e ta esun tin di carga e consecuencianan pa su maneho.

Just posted on the front page of SM:

Name: minnesota dad
Date: June 26, 2007, 10:27 am

I have always maintained that this crime was simple. The cover-up was the complex problem - coached suspects (J2K) giving multiple stories is a tactic known to defense attorneys in order to cloud the case up as much as possible.

This is the case in a nutshell:
J2K pick up Natalee at CnC’s. They take her to #19 Montana, the Sloot compound (I come to this conclusion based on Joran’s statements - his first statement was the HI drop off - his second statement was the THREE of them took her back to his home…this statement was made at the same time of the confession that ’something bad happened’ - when the ’something bad happened’ was reversed by Joran’s handlers, the new story was that he dropped her off at the beach). Paulus was present at the compound. THEY NEVER, EVER bring Natalee into Joran’s apartment but rather carry on poolside.

{EDITED}

md

Remember, folks, in less than one week the New Orleans protest starts.

From June 27 to July 1, the Aruba Tourism Authority will be in New Orleans trying to sell a bunch of travel agents on the wonders and splendor of Aruba.

"No justice for Natalee ... no tourists for Aruba."

As you might expect, they will be confronted by protesters just as they were at Boston and at Miami.

The ATA must see this as a very important event, because travel agents are in a position to steer people to Aruba. How many people, before Natalee vanished, ever thought of Aruba at all? And if their travel agents smiled and said "Oh, aren't you lucky! It's a wonderful little island!" how many people would have doubted their word?

No longer. Now tragedy has exposed to the world what Aruba is really like, and brought to light other horrors that were suppressed. The people showing up in New Orleans will not let the ATA ignore Natalee's case.

Any questions or comments, etc., can be addressed to VolunteersforNatalee@gmail.com and will be forwarded to the person in charge of things.

Beth has said outright that she continues to support the boycott. We will NEVER let Natalee's case be forgotten!

Nancy Grace expecting twins, report says

FROM STAFF REPORTS

Published on: 06/26/07
 
CNN crime-talk maven Nancy Grace was secretly married in April and is expecting twins, according to a report in the New York Post on Tuesday.

The Post said Grace plans to announce her status on her CNN Headline News show Tuesday evening.

"I'm finally not keeping it a secret anymore," she told The Post.

According to the report, Grace is married to David Linch, an Atlanta investment banker. The two attended Mercer together in the 1970s and have stayed in touch, the Post story said.

Grace told the Post their marriage was a "spur of the moment decision" and that the pair had a simple ceremony in Macon, Grace's hometown.

The Post said Grace declined to say if she'd had fertility treatments in order to become pregnant at age 47.

"But you tell women out there that there is hope," she told the tabloid.

Grace is a one-time Fulton County prosecutor known for her tough tactics and impassioned arguments. She hosted a show on Court TV before joining CNN.

Did we know this? From today's Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

Monkeys, some monkeys (as well as some BFN’ers) are heading for New Orleans for a travel show; ATA is participating.

Wish them bon voyage, safe travel, etc., at the Tourism Trade Show thread:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1003&start=100

Richard posted tis Saturday, June 23 (emphasis added by me):

The only thread I know that has some maps is SunFreak's thread.  She also has a lot of google earth shots.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=255

What kind of map are you looking for?

Morning  Monkeys.  I think MN Dad (is that his name?) from the front page is spot on.  I agree with everything he said.  I further speculate that when Natalee died at LVR's home, he had the contacts through his drug trade to dispose of her body at sea.  Perhaps the Dutch are taking these people down, one piece at a time.  At least they can now search LVR's home without interference, I would hope.

I wish I could get to New Orleans to help the protesters.  It's not possible now.  I do wish them the best and thank them for what they are doing.

Morning  Monkeys.  I think MN Dad (is that his name?) from the front page is spot on.  I agree with everything he said.  I further speculate that when Natalee died at LVR's home, he had the contacts through his drug trade to dispose of her body at sea.  Perhaps the Dutch are taking these people down, one piece at a time.  At least they can now search LVR's home without interference, I would hope.

To quote Robots, "I feel delicious" today!!  I do think LVR's arrest is step one of the take down.  It's coming, folks.

Also the former gf of Bobby Cutts was on and she had gone to court three times to get restraining orders against him as once he injured her so badly she ended up in a neck brace.

She started crying because she feels guilty she was not able to stop this creep.  It was so pitiful and I felt so sorry for her.  She has been terrorized by him for 11 years following only a 4 month relationship with him.

So now not only are these thugs entitled to kill women,  other women should be made to feel it is THEIR fault because they didn't stop him from harming somebody else?   :evil:

Is there a list somewhere of things females do that then entitles males to kill them more or less at will?  I am just furious at the negative remarks directed at Jessica but NOT at Cutts!  

What Cutts' uncle said about a Christian woman shouldn't be having children with a married man, etc. --wasn't the married man involved in there somewhere?  The much older, lying married man?  How did he get to be blameless in that?

I think men who obtain sex under false pretenses, lying, etc. should be held to the same fraud charges as for any other situation and there should be penalties for doing such things.  Only more severe than just material things.

Make it a crime, a form of rape by deceit and throw their sorry, lying asses in jail!

Of course, all too often, it is the duly wedded hubby doing the killing so that wouldn't protect those women.  Sorry, guys, but WTH!  This has to be becoming more common even though the stats don't reflect it.

 :evil:

Does Lorenzo have a boat?

very interesting.
Was he charged and convicted of anything when he beat her up and put her in a neck brace?  Or did he get away with it because he is a cop?

Its amazing that someone can do something like this and still be a cop

Just your typical day on One Crappy Island.  :wink:

Thank you for the link.  Guess I skimmed right past it when I was looking earlier.  Son needed to use the computer, so I wasn't able to respond right away.  I just wanted to look at the Saveneta area after rading MDs posts.

Just posted on the front page of SM:

Name: minnesota dad
Date: June 26, 2007, 10:27 am

I have always maintained that this crime was simple. The cover-up was the complex problem - coached suspects (J2K) giving multiple stories is a tactic known to defense attorneys in order to cloud the case up as much as possible.

This is the case in a nutshell:
J2K pick up Natalee at CnC’s. They take her to #19 Montana, the Sloot compound (I come to this conclusion based on Joran’s statements - his first statement was the HI drop off - his second statement was the THREE of them took her back to his home…this statement was made at the same time of the confession that ’something bad happened’ - when the ’something bad happened’ was reversed by Joran’s handlers, the new story was that he dropped her off at the beach). Paulus was present at the compound. THEY NEVER, EVER bring Natalee into Joran’s apartment but rather carry on poolside.

From 1:00am to 3:00am the THREE are joined by Freddy, Guido, Koen and possibly other “pimps” for a gang rape at the Sloot compound. Joran has already confessed that he was raping her while she fell in and out of consciousness. Natalee fights, as evident by scratches described by witnesses on Guido and Joran. Approximately 3 am, something bad does happen - she is non-responsive…maybe from drugs…more likely from being smacked hard after scratching Guido and Joran. She is taken into the main Van Der Sloot compound and placed on a mattress. Paulus sends everyone home. Natalee is alive, but in very serious shape - from the drugs, being raped, and heavy battery.

Approximately 3:30am, after Joran has searched the Internet for a half hour, Joran and Paulus load the gravely injured Natalee into the car and head off to the ATM machine and Lorenzo’s. Lorenzo is asked to take care of her.

Perhaps she was dead during this time, but my guess is that she was passed to Lorenzo in a seriously messed up state. I base this on 1) Satish Kalpoe asking, “how’s the girl”, 2) Joran bragging about his sexual exploits with her at school the next day (psychopath or not, I believe he would be smart enough to not brag about a girl he murdered), 3) Dennis Jacobs confidently recommending that Dave Holloway sit back, she will turn up in a few days (once recovered from the assault and rape that occurred).

The evidence of the pass on to Lorenzo is that Joran boarded the bus near Lorenzo’s property at 6:50am on the morning of Natalee’s disappearance.

In the meantime, the media and the Holloway/Twittys come to the island. Now, if Natalee was alive (which upon analyzing everything…it is very possible — but near death), they had a huge problem….releasing her at a crack house or other place would DEVASTATE tourism as FOXNews and everyone else would be reporting how she was kidnapped, drugged, and raped by the island’s elite Dutch children.

The decision was made to disappear Natalee Holloway (either living or if she died somewhere between 3:00am and 6:30am during the transfer to Lorenzo). This is where Natalee’s life had to be taken and her “disappeared” in order to not harm tourism on the island. This explains PVDS’ “No body - no crime” statement. This also explains Deepaks police car comment, “If they find the girl they will find the chit” and Joran’s response, “I will laugh if they find the girl”.

What better place to take ‘the girl’ then to an ‘untouchable’ property on the island? They needed to get her out of the VDS compound ASAP, as they knew that there would be a search in the immediate hours after it was discovered that Natalee did not make her flight.

It is very clear that Paulus and his compound were center to this case based on 1) Paulus clearly coaching the witnesses and interfering with the investigation (per Karin Janssen), 2) the blood soaked mattress and the furniture truck arriving to deliver furniture, 3) the intentional interference in the search of #19 Montana through Judge Bob Wit and Ben Vocking restricting the search to Joran’s apartment only, 4) Paulus filing with the Aruban courts to not allow the FBI to have any jurisdiction or to provide any independent searches (why have people involved that would actually solve the crime?).

What we do know, is that there are witness statements that PVDS was out with JVDS and Natalee at 4:00am. We also early on were told that there was an ATM transaction at this time. We also know that Joran picked up his bus to school near Lorenzo’s home. A dead or gravely injured Natalee was taken to Lorenzo’s. Based on the assault of Guido and Joran, she was badly hurt (remember, she fell and hit her head several times when dropped off at the Holiday Inn!).

So there you have it. Very simple and not muddied and complex as a defense attorney, Paulus, would like you to believe. Here are my opinions on the charges:

Deepak Kalpoe - Accessory to kidnap, rape, and murder
Satish Kalpoe - Accessory to Kidnap, rape, and murder
Joran Van Der Sloot - Kidnap, Rape, heavy battery, and accessory to murder. Providing False witness statements in a criminal investigation.
Guido Wever - Rape, heavy battery, and accessory to murder
Paulus Van Der Sloot - Accessory to kidnap and murder. In addition, Paulus provided false witness statements (the 6/16/2007 vanished witness statement) and interfered with a criminal investigation. Racketeering. Transporting and accessory in the disposal of a body.
Lorenzo - Accessory to murder and transporting/disposal of a body.

No one was ever at a beach where tennis shoes stolen from the lost and found at the racquet club were conveniently placed by Guido and Joran. No one was ever at the lighthouse…where the exact belt, that Joran was strangling a friend on his MySpace account, was found. These were plants to muddy the case.

Yes, it was all in plain view. Now, please KLPD. End this case….I am very, very tired of doing your work for you.

md

very interesting.
Was he charged and convicted of anything when he beat her up and put her in a neck brace?  Or did he get away with it because he is a cop?

Its amazing that someone can do something like this and still be a cop

Well, here is some more info. of the jerk.   Mentioned on Fox this morning. He called even ANOTHER women that night in the bar, trying to get her to meet him there. She is married, with kids. He again called her around 2:00 a.m. the night of the murder, trying to get her to meet him. She refused both times.  

How many women does one need?  A$$hole..

I

also heard that Chris may have killed his wife and his child the day before killing himself-have you heard this?Another sicko!

Yes I heard that GEL.

I also believe he was on steriods.  A lot of these wrestlers are and he probably had some sort of rage in him.

Yes I heard that GEL.

I also believe he was on steriods.  A lot of these wrestlers are and he probably had some sort of rage in him.

It's really sad these guys don't seek help,surely they feel/know it's coming.

My older son and I spoke about this earlier today.  My son said he was a good wrestler and said a lot of them end up having emotional disturbance and/or depression.  I mentioned steroids and son agreed it's usually tha cause of this type of rage.  Very sick and very sad.

MD's theory could also include the "I-don't-know-these-people" phone call from Natalee to a friend's answering machine. (Largely discounted, though, I think.)

I don't know why so many Aruban princes would come over to the VDS house for a gang rape on a Sunday night, though. Is that fun for some people? Can't they get what they want on their own?

MD's theory could also include the "I-don't-know-these-people" phone call from Natalee to a friend's answering machine. (Largely discounted, though, I think.)

I don't know why so many Aruban princes would come over to the VDS house for a gang rape on a Sunday night, though. Is that fun for some people? Can't they get what they want on their own?

If Minnesota Dad is correct, then the stop at the ATM was to get cash to fuel Lorenzo's boat. They would not have to pay Lorenzo to get involved, at least not that night, and $400 wouldn't be enough to pay off somebody princely like that. It would take a couple of hundred dollars to gas up a boat for a trip pretty far out. If the ATM stop was for gas money, then they knew they needed the boat; Natalee was already dead.

I like that picture of the cigarette boat. It looks like the kind of boat you could pull up on a beach and load, without using a slip in a marina where there are always people around. It could go way out very fast. Noisy as heck, though.

Before her grisly death, Chris Benoit's wife once told a judge that she was, "intimidated by threats of violence" from her 220 lb. husband.

In divorce papers filed in 2003, Nancy Benoit included a petition for protection from domestic abuse against Chris. In the papers, Nancy claimed that Benoit, "lost his temper and threatened to strike the petitioner and cause extensive damage to the home and personal belongings of the parties, including furniture." Nancy added that she was, "in reasonable fear for petitioner's own safety and that of the minor child."

SunFreak update - She just called from the hospital; surgery on the arm is over and she sounded good.

She hasn't spoken to the surgeon yet, but as far as she knows, will go home later today; this was a same day, outpatient procedure.

I also spoke to her sister, who is with her at the hospital.

Why didn't he call his loser uncle who made that remark about Jessie.  No his is calling all these women to help him.  I think he is trying to pin this murder on one of these women.  He will say they got into a fight with Jessie and killed her.

Actually they made it sound more like he was calling her for a "date", rather than help with the body.  I don't think she was aware of it, that night.  She may have went to police when news broke of her missing and they have been witholding that info.

SunFreak update - She just called from the hospital; surgery on the arm is over and she sounded good.

She hasn't spoken to the surgeon yet, but as far as she knows, will go home later today; this was a same day, outpatient procedure.

I also spoke to her sister, who is with her at the hospital.

I agree that Lorenzo probably got rid of Natalee's body--either by his own  means (boat) or via his nefarious contacts in the drug trade.

Joran's hopping of the bus near Lorenzo's home that fateful AM is very telling.

I also think that KLPD arrested Lorenzo for more than landscaping his property with Mary Jane plants.

I agree with this JFN. Something is definately up...

Actually they made it sound more like he was calling her for a "date", rather than help with the body.  I don't think she was aware of it, that night.  She may have went to police when news broke of her missing and they have been withholding that info.

Just not sure what to believe regarding his arrest.

Apparently Cutts was 90 minutes late for an appointment with his former high school the day of the murder.

They just said he was having an affair with a married woman.  He called her that night to go out and she said no.  It was before he killed Jessie.

Where is his uncle now.  Why doesn't he open his big mouth now.

Annie Oakley's? See post above yours, Rob.

let's take a guess whose kid this is - - -

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/rosieskid1.jpg)

Heard on the news all day about a six year old they put terrorist explosive belt on and told him it would shoot out flowers when he pulled the cord!

 :evil:

From the same link;

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Aruban authorities have arrested a new suspect in the case of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, the prosecutor’s office announced Friday.

The person “suspected of being involved” in Holloway’s disappearance was identified only as a 26-year-old with the initials S.G.C. The office did not disclose the gender.

The arrest was made at 6:25 a.m. local time, the office stated.

Qouted from the MSN webpage located here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8218429/


Posted by: Hman | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 12:47 PM

So as I understand it -

1)fourth guy was taken into custody last night and was being questioned.

2)fifth guy arrested this morning (different from guy above).

I have heard two names "lorenzo" and "person with initials SGC"...

Is this correct and can anyone tell which one is which?

Posted by: Florida Girl | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 01:04 PM



http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/fourth_man.html

Steve was the fourth man.  Seems Lorenzo WAS the fifth person.  Not Paulus.

They seem to seek out other kids but their own.  They wouldn't put the belt on their own kids that fast.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.

Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian,
who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian....

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played

O/T
Did you already discuss Nancy Graces big announcement?

That guy must not be scared of nuttin'!  :P

I'm starting to think that only about 10-20% of the entire population is even remotely normal and that's not a good thing.

It is really starting to depress me.  I think I need a break from news and need to get lost in a good book, or a bunch of old movies.  Only problem is that most of my DVD collection is of film noir classics. lol

Easy did you see Paris get out of jail.  She was acting like she was walking the cat walk :lol:

Easy did you see Paris get out of jail.  She was acting like she was walking the cat walk :lol:

I did see that and she looked like one happy bimbo!!!!! lol

Ya know, I was kind of expecting her to come out of there with two-tone hair, but she was still a blonde!   :shock:

She must use Nice & Easy :lol:

HOLD on to your seats

HANG on TIGHT


and wait patiently for PAULUS to be BROUGHT in  


its coming


i can sense it  8)  :smt033

2NJSons is this the post you are referring to?

I remember, Rob.  The wheel covers on the impounded look like those of the car in last pic behind fence....

If Minnesota Dad is correct, then the stop at the ATM was to get cash to fuel Lorenzo's boat. They would not have to pay Lorenzo to get involved, at least not that night, and $400 wouldn't be enough to pay off somebody princely like that. It would take a couple of hundred dollars to gas up a boat for a trip pretty far out. If the ATM stop was for gas money, then they knew they needed the boat; Natalee was already dead.

I like that picture of the cigarette boat. It looks like the kind of boat you could pull up on a beach and load, without using a slip in a marina where there are always people around. It could go way out very fast. Noisy as heck, though.

Oh I do hope you are correct :lol:  :lol:

I think I read all the way back and did not see this.

O/T

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286659,00.html

The plumber cut her throat in the driveway in broad daylight with others in the house!

So now I have to be terrified of the plumber and all repairmen???

What next?  Murdering mailmen as well, I suppose.

Something is just going to have to be done about all this crime against women.  Maybe we should all start wearing guns in holsters like Annie Oakley.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Honda3.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Honda4.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Honda2.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Honda1.jpg)

IS THIS CAR THE SAME CAR WITH A NEW PAINT JOB

YOU DECIDE.

LICENSE PLATE NUMBER - A-27741

IS THIS CAR THE SAME CAR WITH A NEW PAINT JOB

No. The trunk opening splits the taillights on the first car but not on the "crash" car.

Rob, can't leave before I find out what you are saying about the cars??? What is your bottom line :lol:  :lol:

I did see that and she looked like one happy bimbo!!!!! lol

Ya know, I was kind of expecting her to come out of there with two-tone hair, but she was still a blonde!   :shock:

Oldfart,  I noticed the spoiler, too.

Rob,  where can I see the MB kids description, again?

(http://[img]http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Honda4.jpg)

IS THIS CAR THE SAME CAR WITH A NEW PAINT JOB

YOU DECIDE.

LICENSE PLATE NUMBER - A-27741

IBE, I don't know if they are the same. They have different plate numbers, but that doesn't mean anything on Aruba, just change who owns it.

Also, Deepak's relationship with AE could pretty much make his car look like a totally different car.

Some interesting observations. This car DOES have the six spoke wheels. All the windows are tinted.

Dirtbag's car does not have a spoiler. This one does. I guess there is only so much you can do to pimp out an Accord, so they might end up all looking the same.

I'm starting to think that only about 10-20% of the entire population is even remotely normal and that's not a good thing.

People can't make good decisions.

People kill other people for no reason.

People act like idiots.... and the rest of us are left to deal with it.

good evening Monkeys.  I was reading a little over at FOB and found out that they have dossiers on all of us.  Their computer data base on us is so big the Defense Dept. is jealous.  We're all going to be sued.  Just giving you a heads up.   :lol:  I know you're all aware of this, but thought I'd remind you to not say things like Joran's a lying POS and warthogs are better looking than Anita.   :mrgreen: They also say Joran's book is flying off the shelves.  

Well, now I feel special.  :D

Good Evening monkeys all!  

Finally!  Finally! Finally!  I see some of you are now beginning to believe in Shango.  LOL LOL  

Can you hear me laughing?   :lol:  :lol:   I will behave now.

Dossier...I really like that word...Bondia always loved using that word.  I certainly hope I am in that dossier.  I would hate to be left out.   :roll:

If they have one on me I'm sure they are very bored reading it!  Not too much exciting about me to read. :lol:

Good Evening monkeys all!  

Finally!  Finally! Finally!  I see some of you are now beginning to believe in Shango.  LOL LOL  

Can you hear me laughing?   :lol:  :lol:   I will behave now.

Dossier...I really like that word...Bondia always loved using that word.  I certainly hope I am in that dossier.  I would hate to be left out.   :roll:

O/T

I was thinking of an old TV series I used to watch   Battling Bots
And it him me  .... :shock: I think Our Robots is a semi-retired TV star

I bet most of you had already figured that out.. by I'm a day late & dollar short as usual

Raptor Robot (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/battle_2Draptors_2Dtmb_small.jpg)

TI think they decided that in place of battling  --  being delicious was more fun.

But I still would not like to make them mad (given prior occupation)

I have not found any clips with Robots in action  BUT has Robots ever mentioned anyone  called Matilda or Razor  :? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e4cHWS2758

Just wondering
Again   I apologize for being O/T   and SAN  might want some practice in moving posts to Other Areas
 :wink:

My file must be big. :lol:

Robots' is bigger.   :lol:

Lala's - you know they couldn't leave out the hall monitor. :wink:

By the way, if you get the History Channel, they're having on some stuff about past life regressions right now.

Hello Monkey Mates.

Does that mean we are stars in FOB's dossier on SM?  WOW!!!
We do not need a dossier on FOB - only need to call up the local FBI office for info on their members.

Same here, Casa - unless someone really LIKES to read about sock monkeys.  :lol:

BT
My history channel is talking about China.  Is that what you are referring to?

Robots' is bigger.   :lol:

You my BT Girl are a dangerous subversive. You took those sock monkeys to a sock hop. And wore a poodle skirt.
And San, well she went to the Russian Tea Room.
Me, I know too many ppl from Europe. I have old stamps with Stalin on them.  Oh, I've given it away now.

Would someone please repost Minnesota Dad's post from earlier for me or at least tell me what page I need to go to get it...please.  TIA

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

what of mine is bigger ???

or do i even want to know  :shock:

It's your deliciousness that's bigger. (http://bestsmileys.com/eating1/3.gif)

Howdy Tibro. I just found out that the largest kangaroo collection outside Australia is not too far away from me - in North Georgia.  It's called the Kangaroo Conservation Center.

Just posted on the front page of SM:

Name: minnesota dad
Date: June 26, 2007, 10:27 am

I have always maintained that this crime was simple. The cover-up was the complex problem - coached suspects (J2K) giving multiple stories is a tactic known to defense attorneys in order to cloud the case up as much as possible.

This is the case in a nutshell:
J2K pick up Natalee at CnC’s. They take her to #19 Montana, the Sloot compound (I come to this conclusion based on Joran’s statements - his first statement was the HI drop off - his second statement was the THREE of them took her back to his home…this statement was made at the same time of the confession that ’something bad happened’ - when the ’something bad happened’ was reversed by Joran’s handlers, the new story was that he dropped her off at the beach). Paulus was present at the compound. THEY NEVER, EVER bring Natalee into Joran’s apartment but rather carry on poolside.

From 1:00am to 3:00am the THREE are joined by Freddy, Guido, Koen and possibly other “pimps” for a gang rape at the Sloot compound. Joran has already confessed that he was raping her while she fell in and out of consciousness. Natalee fights, as evident by scratches described by witnesses on Guido and Joran. Approximately 3 am, something bad does happen - she is non-responsive…maybe from drugs…more likely from being smacked hard after scratching Guido and Joran. She is taken into the main Van Der Sloot compound and placed on a mattress. Paulus sends everyone home. Natalee is alive, but in very serious shape - from the drugs, being raped, and heavy battery.

Approximately 3:30am, after Joran has searched the Internet for a half hour, Joran and Paulus load the gravely injured Natalee into the car and head off to the ATM machine and Lorenzo’s. Lorenzo is asked to take care of her.

Perhaps she was dead during this time, but my guess is that she was passed to Lorenzo in a seriously messed up state. I base this on 1) Satish Kalpoe asking, “how’s the girl”, 2) Joran bragging about his sexual exploits with her at school the next day (psychopath or not, I believe he would be smart enough to not brag about a girl he murdered), 3) Dennis Jacobs confidently recommending that Dave Holloway sit back, she will turn up in a few days (once recovered from the assault and rape that occured).

The evidence of the pass on to Lorenzo is that Joran boarded the bus near Lorenzo’s property at 6:50am on the morning of Natalee’s disappearance.

In the meantime, the media and the Holloway/Twittys come to the island. Now, if Natalee was alive (which upon analyzing everything…it is very possible — but near death), they had a huge problem….releasing her at a crack house or other place would DEVASTATE tourism as FOXNews and everyone else would be reporting how she was kidnapped, drugged, and raped by the island’s elite Dutch children.

The decision was made to disappear Natalee Holloway (either living or if she died somewhere between 3:00am and 6:30am during the transfer to Lorenzo). This is where Natalee’s life had to be taken and her “disappeared” in order to not harm tourism on the island. This explains PVDS’ “No body - no crime” statement. This also explains Deepaks police car comment, “If they find the girl they will find the chit” and Joran’s response, “I will laugh if they find the girl”.

What better place to take ‘the girl’ then to an ‘untouchable’ property on the island? They needed to get her out of the VDS compound ASAP, as they knew that there would be a search in the immediate hours after it was discovered that Natalee did not make her flight.

It is very clear that Paulus and his compound were center to this case based on 1) Paulus clearly coaching the witnesses and interfering with the investigation (per Karin Janssen), 2) the blood soaked mattress and the furniture truck arriving to deliver furniture, 3) the intentional interference in the search of #19 Montana through Judge Bob Wit and Ben Vocking restricting the search to Joran’s apartment only, 4) Paulus filing with the Aruban courts to not allow the FBI to have any jurisdiction or to provide any independant searches (why have people involved that would actually solve the crime?).

What we do know, is that there are witness statements that PVDS was out with JVDS and Natalee at 4:00am. We also early on were told that there was an ATM transaction at this time. We also know that Joran picked up his bus to school near Lorenzo’s home. A dead or gravely injured Natalee was taken to Lorenzo’s. Based on the assault of Guido and Joran, she was badly hurt (remember, she fell and hit her head several times when dropped off at the Holiday Inn!).

So there you have it. Very simple and not muddied and complex as a defense attorney, Paulus, would like you to believe. Here are my opinions on the charges:

Deepak Kalpoe - Accessory to kidnap, rape, and murder
Satish Kalpoe - Accessory to Kidnap, rape, and murder
Joran Van Der Sloot - Kidnap, Rape, heavy battery, and accessory to murder. Providing False witness statements in a criminal investigation.
Guido Wever - Rape, heavy battery, and accessory to murder
Paulus Van Der Sloot - Accessory to kidnap and murder. In addition, Paulus provided false witness statements (the 6/16/2007 vanished witness statement) and interfered with a criminal investigation. Racketeering. Transporting and accessory in the disposal of a body.
Lorenzo - Accessory to murder and transporting/disposal of a body.

No one was ever at a beach where tennis shoes stolen from the lost and found at the racquet club were conveniently placed by Guido and Joran. No one was ever at the lighthouse…where the exact belt, that Joran was strangling a friend on his MySpace account, was found. These were plants to muddy the case.

Yes, it was all in plain view. Now, please KLPD. End this case….I am very, very tired of doing your work for you.

md

ohh

phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

 8)

So sowwy. I meant History International.  :oops:

I have not heard of that - I saw a TV news article once on a private "Zoo" that had one kangaroo kept in a really small enclosure but it didn't say where in the US.  It looked like a country town.
Have you been checking the red wolf webcam?  I have only seen one wolf wandering about - must be the mother I think.  Hard to tell but does not behave like a cub.

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

what of mine is bigger ???

or do i even want to know  :shock:

What little I've read tells me that Rob thinks the whole car might have been changed out, not just the back seat.  Where did the blood in the car statement come from?  Did the FBI see it or were they repeating misinformation?  

Tibro

Here is a link to the conservation center

http://www.kangaroocenter.com/

What little I've read tells me that Rob thinks the whole car might have been changed out, not just the back seat.  Where did the blood in the car statement come from?  Did the FBI see it or were they repeating misinformation?  

good evening Monkeys.  I was reading a little over at FOB and found out that they have dossiers on all of us.  Their computer data base on us is so big the Defense Dept. is jealous.  We're all going to be sued.  Just giving you a heads up.   :lol:  I know you're all aware of this, but thought I'd remind you to not say things like Joran's a lying POS and warthogs are better looking than Anita.   :mrgreen: They also say Joran's book is flying off the shelves.  

HI MOnkeys,

Had to jump in here and sayJoran is a lying piece of s*** and warthogs are better looking than Anita. How is that FOB?

What is the latest from Mishy on her father ???

The last I heard from Mishy is that her father was resting and awaiting more tests to discover how many more blockages there were.  They had cleared or eased main blockage with angioplasty, I think

Come on Sam ...
Say what you realy mean... SAN  has an edit button I think :lol:

We had a ton of rain today (Sorry Southern Monkeys  :oops: ) did you get any ?

Llala's - on page 17 ******* and Truthseeker posted some stuff from RWV where it was  posted about Lorenzo and 5th suspect.  Would it help you if I brought them over to current page to compare with Shango?

does Phewwwwwwwwwwwwwww  mean (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/whew.gif)
Or is that what you say when you smell sumthing bad  :?

thanks Tib....

LaLa's a dumb question "DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon " means what ?(not Dutch ???)

Anything going on tonight?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.


This Lorenzo imo. Always has been -  been always will be. And just WHAT is his alibi? I've never seen anything that looks official.

Well, official from Aruba could mean anything.

And who says that Paulus didn't just meet Lorenzo later at the where his boat was docked. (I'm not talking about the boat supposedly at the Bucuti). Paulus' time-line is non existent and he is involved.

Looks like a bunch of nonsense.

I don't see all the baffling.