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Title: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 - 5/03/12
Post by: MuffyBee on January 14, 2012, 06:19:43 PM
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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 07, 2012, 09:33:28 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 07, 2012, 09:37:06 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 07, 2012, 09:37:50 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 07, 2012, 09:46:13 PM
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Post by: texasmom on February 07, 2012, 09:48:30 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 07, 2012, 09:52:07 PM
Vanished With Beth Holloway

Vanished With Beth Holloway combines the evocative storytelling of America's Most Wanted and with the indomitable spirit of Erin Brockovich in a gripping real-life series that delves into the heart-rending stories of families who have suffered mysterious abductions and unspeakable crimes. The show's host is herself on a quest to track down the man who killed her beloved daughter.

http://www.citvasia.com/seriesdetails.aspx?proId=1&cId=80


TV Listings

http://www.citvasia.com/tvlisting.aspx




The Beth Holloway Lifetime Vanished episodes from last year are being viewed in Asia beginning this week.

Could it be that the Lifetime Natalee Holloway movies will receive the same worldwide  exposure?  Could it be that the Lifetime Natalee Holloway movies will become the catalyst which will cause many travellers worldwide to BOYCOTT ARUBA?

If those in Holland and Aruba who are behind the ongoing corrupt investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for almost seven years thought for one minute that Natalee Holloway would become a distant memory … they should have thought again.  The power of a mother’s love and determination was not anticipated.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 07, 2012, 09:52:17 PM
Vanished With Beth Holloway Episodes

Episode 10: "Baum/Hill"

Premiered July 25 at 11/10c: Set in McCleary, WA and Atlanta, GA. Beth helps search for a 10-year-old girl who vanished while walking home from a friend’s house; later she meets a heroic mother whose tenacity helped bring her daughter’s killer to justice.

Episode 9: "Desir/Smart"
Premiered July 18 at 10/9c: Set in Omakalee, FL and San Louis Obispo, CA. Beth meets with one family desperately searching for their special needs child, and another family trying to find a daughter who disappeared more than 15 years ago.

Episode 8: "Kyle Fleischmann/Rivazfar"
Premiered July 11 at 10/9c: Set in Charlotte, NC and Pensacola, FL. Beth examines the story of a recent college graduate who went missing after a night out with his friends; she also visits with a young woman who shares the harrowing story of the kidnapping she and her sister endured as children.

Episode 7: "Imbo-Petrone/Gosch/Berrelez Tips"
Premiered June 27 at 10/9c: Set in Philadelphia, West Des Moines, and Denver. Beth delves into three cold missing person's cases – a couple who vanished from the streets of downtown Philly, a teenage paperboy who became the first milk carton kid, and a little girl who loses her life but leaves behind a legacy of hope.
 
Episode 6: "Kopetsky/Ross"
Premiered June 20 at 10/9c: Set in Belton, MO and Chicago. Beth talks to the family of a teen who left for school one day, never to return home. The mystery deepens when investigators learn a missing persons report was filed days before her actual disappearance. The series also follows the story of a young man who vanished without a trace while on a school trip to Chicago.

Episode 5: "Figueroa/Duckett"
Premiered June 13 at 10/9c: Set in Philadelphia and Leesburg, FL. Beth looks into a case in which a young pregnant woman vanishes from the streets of Philadelphia and the City of Brotherly Love comes together to bring her captor to justice. The second case involves a toddler's abduction, which galvanizes a community.

Episode 4: "Kesse/Bible and Freeman"
Premiered May 30 at 10/9c: Set in Orlando and Welch, OK. Beth investigates a case in which a 24-year-old warned her father of a suspicious character and the worst is assumed when she goes missing and only her abandoned car is found. The episode also takes a look at a case in which authorities realize a tragic fire was no accident after two people are found murdered and two teenage girls involved go missing.

Episode 3: "Bradley"
Premiered May 23 at 10/9c: Set in Curacao. Beth investigates a case where a young woman vanishes off the deck of a cruise ship. In their search for answers, her parents stumble across what appears to be an international sex slave operation.

Episode 2: "Lunsford/Grinstead"
Premiered May 16 at 10/9c: Set in Homosassa, FL and Ocilla, GA. Viewers meet the family of a 9-year-old girl who went missing from her Florida home and her father embarks on a journey to clear his family name and bring a killer to justice. Additionally, Beth visits the loved ones of a high school teacher and former beauty queen who vanished from her home late one night.

Episode 1: "Holloway/McStay"
Premiered May 9 at 10/9c: Set in Aruba and Fallbrook, CA. Host Beth Holloway shares her journey to find answers about her missing daughter Natalee and begins her quest to help families with loved ones who have vanished without a trace. The episode also introduces a California family of four, the McStays, who all suddenly vanished without a trace.

http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/vanished-with-beth-holloway/episode-tips


Lifetime Natalee Holloway Movies

“Natalee Holloway”
http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway

"Justice for Natalee Holloway"
http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/justice-for-natalee-holloway/about


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 07, 2012, 09:52:29 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: AZSunny on February 07, 2012, 11:17:46 PM
Hi Muffy and all,

Yes, I am still here, and still check in on a regular basis.  I don't post, but I do read.    ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 07, 2012, 11:58:45 PM
HYPERSPECTRAL IMAGING

A new understanding of the technique aids in locating buried bodies.

Maybe a new fly-over of Aruba might be in order.  Imagine all the unmarked graves that might be discovered there.


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 ::snipping2::
Hyperspectral imaging collects and processes light from across the electromagnetic spectrum, including visible light as well as ultraviolet and infrared light. The research could help police solve missing persons cases or reveal new mass graves from hundreds, if not thousands, of years ago.

"As soon as there is some decay you can see a difference," said Andre Costopoulos, a professor at McGill University developing new techniques to find old graves.

"We suspect that some of these graves are over 40 years old, and are excited to try to find much older grave sites," some of which could be hundreds of years old, said Costopoulos.

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The McGill scientists borrowed a plane from the Canadian National Research Council and equipped it with two cameras. One camera recorded light in the visible spectrum and into the infrared range. The other camera recorded light in the infrared and longer light ranges.



For the first five years or so a decaying body inhibits plant growth.
"Initially it's a pretty toxic environment," for plants, said Kalacska, who, along with Pablo Arroyo and Tim Moore, manages the technological side of the research. Plants that grow over such recent graves don't reflect as much light in the visible and near infrared region, which scientists can detect using their cameras.

After five years, however, the plants growing over buried body suddenly reflect light instead of absorbing light.
In fact, on-grave plants reflect more than twice the green light of off-grave plants. For a human eye detecting such tiny changes would be "very hard," said Kalacska, but the difference is obvious to the hyperspectral camera.

The increase in reflected light comes from an increase in chlorophyll, the pigment that plants use to convert light from the sun. After five years a decomposing body becomes fertilizer, supplying the growing plants with much needed nutrients like nitrogen and phosphorus. Bigger plants with bigger, healthier leaves reflect more light.

Dead Bodies Release Chemicals That Stain Soil Above


A decomposing body can fertilize a plant for years. Some graves found by the hyperspectral camera at Parc Safari could be 50 years old. Larger mass graves could provide enough nutrients to encourage noticeable plant growth for hundreds of years, suspects Costopoulos.

 ::snipping2::

Without extensive plant cover, the McGill University team will rely on longer wavelengths to find changes in soil chemistry.
Besides fertilizing plants, a dead body releases chemicals that stain the soil above it, which the hyperspectral camera can detect.

The research could aid local police and international human rights investigators, say the McGill scientists and Ian Hanson, a scientist at the University of Bournemouth in Britain. Equipping planes with hyperspectal imaging equipment would allow local police to fly over huge areas searching for newly missing persons.

 ::snipping2::

"This has a wide range of applications," for local police and international human rights investigators. "If the perpetrators know that what they do will leave long term traces that can be detected, that might have a deterrent effect on them," said Hanson.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/tech-sees-dead-people/story?id=10389441#.TzH7AXpdCSp


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 08, 2012, 07:02:57 AM
Hi Muffy and all,

Yes, I am still here, and still check in on a regular basis.  I don't post, but I do read.    ::justice2NJ::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 08, 2012, 09:40:45 AM
http://newstimes.augusta.com/sports/2012-02-08/sports-calendar (http://newstimes.augusta.com/sports/2012-02-08/sports-calendar)


Sports calendar
Posted: February 8, 2012 - 12:10am

Running

• The Running for Justice/Natalee Holloway 5K will be held Feb. 25 at the Augusta Preparatory Day School Cross Country Trail at 10 a.m. The 5K Fun Run/Walk will donate all proceeds to the Natalee Holloway Resource Center. The cost is $20 and those registering online before Sunday will receive a T-shirt. There will also be on-site registration on race day. To register, go to http://www.active.com/ register/index.cfm?CHECKSSO= 0&EVENT_ID=1999094 (http://www.active.com/ register/index.cfm?CHECKSSO= 0&EVENT_ID=1999094)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2012, 01:08:59 PM
5K Fun Run/Walk

We all remember the tragedy when Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba on her high school trip in 2005.  Everyone in America shared the pain of Natalee’s family.  Her mother, Ms. Beth Holloway, channeled her grief into helping other families looking for their missing children by establishing the Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC) to assist families and to raise awareness among teenagers about the dangers of international travel.

Augusta Prep is hosting a 5K Fun Run/Walk – “Running for Justice – Natalee Holloway 5K” to raise money to contribute to this great cause.  We will donate 100% of the proceeds to the NHRC.  The 5K is scheduled for Saturday, February 25th, 2012, at 10:00am, on the Augusta Prep cross-country trail.  We are combining our passion for running with our desire to help this great cause and to raise awareness in our community about safe international travel.

To make this event more meaningful than we ever could by ourselves, Natalee’s mother is going to join us!!  She’ll take part in the 5K run/walk, and she’ll speak to our student body and parents the day before.  This is going to make the event very exciting!  Our goal is to have as many runners as possible in the 5K.  To register, go to www.augustaprep.org/5k.  The cost is $20 per runner…again, all proceeds go to the Foundation.
 
We are asking for your help in sponsoring the 5K.  Sponsors are people who donate to the run, and, therefore, to this worthy cause.  The sponsor levels are listed below.  We hope we can count on you to sponsor by goods, services, or a simple donation.  We appreciate your support more than you can know.

Thank you for your help!
Maggie McLeod, Senior, Augusta Prep
Amanda Murphy, Junior, Augusta Prep

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For more details and information email:  maggiemoo1050@aol.com

http://www.augustaprep.org/page.cfm?p=781


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 08, 2012, 01:19:16 PM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/palm-beach/boca-raton/fl-brf-holloway-0208-20120208,0,1203591.story

Natalee Holloway's mother speaks at AVDA luncheon
Marci Shatzman mshatzman@tribune.com
February 8, 2012

Beth Holloway told a Boca Raton audience she hopes to finally bring justice to her daughter Natalee by having Joran van der Sloot extradited to Alabama to face extortion charges against her.

"He called and offered to sell me Natalee's remains," said Holloway, whose daughter went missing in Aruba in 2005 on a high school graduation trip in a notorious case that still makes headlines.

CNN reported in June that van der Sloot asked Holloway for $250,000. He's serving a 28-year sentence in Peru for the death of another young woman, "who he killed five years to the day" of Natalee's disappearance, Holloway said at the Heart of a Woman Luncheon for Aid to Victims of Domestic Abuse at Broken Sound Club on Feb. 2. He was never charged in the Holloway case.

Joran van der Sloot "I want to make her abuser face his charges" and she wants him to do time, she said before an audience of 325 AVDA supporters, a record crowd for the agency, which also promotes violence-free relationships.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2012, 03:00:31 PM
FLASHBACK - JUNE 8, 2010

Missing Ala. teen's mom opens center for missing

The mother of an Alabama teen who disappeared in Aruba in 2005 said Tuesday it's been a stressful time for her but she hopes a new resource center named for her daughter will help guide families of missing persons.

Originally published Tuesday, June 8, 2010 at 8:00 AM

WASHINGTON — The mother of an Alabama teen who disappeared in Aruba in 2005 said Tuesday it's been a stressful time for her but she hopes a new resource center named for her daughter will help guide families of missing persons.

Beth Holloway opened the Natalee Holloway Resource Center at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment in Washington. Holloway said it will provide services that she initially lacked when her 18-year-old daughter vanished, such as access to government and media contacts and missing persons posters.

"I feel confident that it will serve as a point of light for all missing," she said while standing in front of two photos of her daughter.

Beth Holloway did not speak about the latest developments in the case of the prime suspect in her daughter's disappearance, Dutchman Jaren Van der Sloot. The museum's chief operating officer, Janine Vaccarello, said Holloway could not discuss her daughter's case or recent developments because of an FBI directive.

Natalee Holloway disappeared during a high school trip to the Caribbean island. The center's opening comes just a day after police in Peru say Van der Sloot confessed to killing 21-year-old Stephany Flores, a Peruvian woman, in his Lima hotel room on May 30 - exactly five years after Holloway disappeared.

Van der Sloot was arrested twice in Holloway's case - and gave a number of conflicting confessions, some in TV interviews - but was freed for lack of evidence.

<snipped>

Van der Sloot also faces charges in the United States with trying to extort $250,000 from Holloway's family in exchange for disclosing the location of her body and describing how she died.

Beth Holloway thanked people for their continued support and said there are hundreds of other missing persons whose names never make it to the news.

"It's been a stressful time for me and I know it's been a very trying time for you," she told reporters. "Let's remind ourselves to keep the Flores family in our hearts and in our prayers, thank you, God bless."

Vaccarello said the nonprofit resource center also houses a call center for families and provides educational materials on safe traveling for students. She said they will refer cases of those under age 18 to the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children.

She said the Holloway center's opening had been planned weeks ago and the timing with Van der Sloot's confession has been a stressful coincidence.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2012058804_apusnataleehollowaycenter.html


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

s.t.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 08, 2012, 06:44:17 PM
Anybody remember what day the memorial service was held on the beach in Aruba in June 2005?

Thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 08, 2012, 07:06:43 PM
Anybody remember what day the memorial service was held on the beach in Aruba in June 2005?

Thanks!

IIRCC...There was a "prayer vigil", Sunday June 5th...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2012, 07:15:24 PM
Natalee Holloway; Prayer Vigil In Aruba

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Last night there was a prayer vigil in Aruba at what I am assuming was the California Lighthouse.

<snipped>

Posted June 6, 2005 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/06/natalee-holloway-fbi-dive-teams-sent-to-aruba/


The Natalee Holloway Prayer Chain

Yesterday on the 30th day that Natalee Holloway has been missing, over 2000 men, women and children formed a prayer chain from the Wyndam Resort to The Holiday Inn. In a sign of community and human spirit Arubans and tourists came together in a touching prayer vigil.

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Posted July 1, 2005 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/01/natalee-holloway-prayer-chain/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 08, 2012, 07:27:14 PM
The Makeshift Memorial on the Beach

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 4th
updated 11/6/2005 8:26:41 PM ET 2005-11-07T01:26:41


<snipped>

COSBY:  Tonight, there‘s hope that a makeshift memorial to Natalee Holloway could hold clues as to what happened to her.  The simple cross with her initials is now on a beach in Aruba not far from where she was apparently last seen.

But it‘s not so much the memorial that could hold the clues but where it is. 

Joining me now is Rick Segall with “America‘s Most Wanted.”  Rick, how did you stumble upon this memorial? 

RICK SEGALL, “AMERICA‘S MOST WANTED”:  We were down in Aruba all last week with Dave Holloway.  And we spoke to the police chief.  Dave spoke to Deputy Chief Dompig, as well. 

The chief told Dave Holloway that new information had come in that, around the time of Natalee‘s disappearance, perhaps the night after she disappeared, a boat went out from a particular boat launch there on the beach and supposedly took a body out into the sea and dumped the body. 

So Dave went to take a look at that spot.  And when he was there on the beach, he literally stumbled across this cross that was sitting there, had Natalee‘s initials carved into it, rosary beads.  And on first glance, it looks like a perfectly sweet memorial. 

The problem is there is no reason on Earth for that memorial to be in that spot.  And here‘s why:  About 300 yards down the beach, there are a set of fishing huts that have become infamous. 

COSBY:  Yep, I was down there.  I remember.  And that‘s where the knife was missing.  There‘s also that cage nearby that‘s missing? 

SEGALL:  Exactly.  Exactly.  They‘re infamous.  Everybody knows about it on the island. 

So it would make sense that a memorial might be there.  But this new information—this is fresh information that had just come into the police.  And here Dave goes to take a look at this spot, and there is this cross that has initials carved into it, rosary beads, and there‘s no reason for it to be there unless it‘s from somebody who knows something or has a guilty conscience. 

COSBY:  When was it constructed, Rick?  Do we have any idea how long it‘s been there? 

SEGALL:  According to locals that we spoke to, they say it‘s been there anywhere from three to five weeks.  So this is something that‘s popped up recently. 

And Dave‘s theory, and our theory, too, is somebody knows something.  And that‘s one of the reasons we‘re airing the show tomorrow night, is we need that person or those people to come forward.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9951194/ns/msnbc_tv-rita_cosby_specials/t/rita-cosby-live-direct-nov-th/

http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=827

 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Kermit on February 08, 2012, 09:49:08 PM

Prayer vigil aruba 2005

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 08, 2012, 09:49:23 PM
Thanks everybody.

That's what I was thinking of, the prayer vigil on the 5th.

I was reading again about the Wever woman, Natalee's so called doppleganger, who died a few days after Natalee.  She was buried on the 6th.  Some even think Natalee was double buried with her.

I was just curious as to the date of Wevers burial in relation to the prayer vigil for Natalee.

Just another hmmmm...... for me.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 09, 2012, 12:52:09 AM
Thanks everybody.

That's what I was thinking of, the prayer vigil on the 5th.

I was reading again about the Wever woman, Natalee's so called doppleganger, who died a few days after Natalee.  She was buried on the 6th.  Some even think Natalee was double buried with her.

I was just curious as to the date of Wevers burial in relation to the prayer vigil for Natalee.

Just another hmmmm...... for me.

From the Carpe archives:  ::MonkeyCool::

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With deep sympathy we announce the death of:

Jalitza Marie Wever

21 Mar 1962 - 02 Jun 2005.

Funeral took place: 06 Jun 2005, Oranjestad, ARUBA


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 09, 2012, 09:01:25 AM
Thanks everybody.

That's what I was thinking of, the prayer vigil on the 5th.

I was reading again about the Wever woman, Natalee's so called doppleganger, who died a few days after Natalee.  She was buried on the 6th.  Some even think Natalee was double buried with her.

I was just curious as to the date of Wevers burial in relation to the prayer vigil for Natalee.

Just another hmmmm...... for me.

From the Carpe archives:  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/fdggfdgd56.png)


With deep sympathy we announce the death of:

Jalitza Marie Wever

21 Mar 1962 - 02 Jun 2005.

Funeral took place: 06 Jun 2005, Oranjestad, ARUBA

Thanks Klaas!

Jalitza and Natalee had similar smiles, IMO.

Tragic that both died so young!

It's amazing that so much info was uncovered in Natalee's case, and that so little was done to bring those responsible to justice.  It's too bad that they used more effort to coverup this case than they used to solve it.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 09, 2012, 12:53:15 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/02/joran-van-der-sloot-new-lawyer-castro-castro-prison

Joran Van Der Sloot Hires New Lawyer, Trying To Get Back To Cushy Castro Castro Prison
By Debbie Emery - Radar Reporter
Posted on Feb 09, 2012 @ 06:00AM   

Joran van der Sloot is desperate to get back home to the comforts of Castro Castro prison and he is not afraid to pay Peruvian officials in order to get there, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.

The convicted killer is currently serving 28 years in the maximum security Piedras Gordas facility for the May 2010 murder of student Stephany Flores, but he is determined not to be there for long, according to an insider.

“Joran has hired a new lawyer who is hoping to get him transferred back to Castro Castro by the end of February, but says it will cost at least $20,000 to get him moved,” a source exclusively gold RadarOnline.com.

 ::snipping2::
The 24-year-old Dutchman now claims to have fired Jimenez due to “unprofessional behavior,” and because he was “weak and disappointed him” reveals our source, following a falling out over $69,000 that the lawyer returned to Joran’s self-appointed guardian angel, Mary Hamer.

Meanwhile, van der Sloot continues to repeatedly ask Hamer for money to pay legal bills, bribe guards, and improve his life in prison in every way -- from better food to cell phone and Internet time.

“He’s constantly sending manipulative messages and playing mind games with her, saying that Mary is the only person who has been loyal to him while he’s been in that ‘hell hole,’” said the insider.  “It’s a startling insight into how he wraps people around his little finger.”

Joran now claims to have hired a new lawyer named Ayudin Humala, who is appealing to the supreme court and hopes to get him out of prison within 15 years, a little over the half the time he is set to serve.

Humala allegedly saved Peruvian narcotics king pin Jorge Chavez Montoya from three life sentences for drug trafficking and charges of organized crime and homicide, according to Joran, and he hopes he can do the same for him as well.
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 01:44:12 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/02/joran-van-der-sloot-new-lawyer-castro-castro-prison

Joran Van Der Sloot Hires New Lawyer, Trying To Get Back To Cushy Castro Castro Prison
By Debbie Emery - Radar Reporter
Posted on Feb 09, 2012 @ 06:00AM   

Joran van der Sloot is desperate to get back home to the comforts of Castro Castro prison and he is not afraid to pay Peruvian officials in order to get there, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.

The convicted killer is currently serving 28 years in the maximum security Piedras Gordas facility for the May 2010 murder of student Stephany Flores, but he is determined not to be there for long, according to an insider.

“Joran has hired a new lawyer who is hoping to get him transferred back to Castro Castro by the end of February, but says it will cost at least $20,000 to get him moved,” a source exclusively gold RadarOnline.com.

 ::snipping2::
The 24-year-old Dutchman now claims to have fired Jimenez due to “unprofessional behavior,” and because he was “weak and disappointed him” reveals our source, following a falling out over $69,000 that the lawyer returned to Joran’s self-appointed guardian angel, Mary Hamer.

Meanwhile, van der Sloot continues to repeatedly ask Hamer for money to pay legal bills, bribe guards, and improve his life in prison in every way -- from better food to cell phone and Internet time.

“He’s constantly sending manipulative messages and playing mind games with her, saying that Mary is the only person who has been loyal to him while he’s been in that ‘hell hole,’” said the insider.  “It’s a startling insight into how he wraps people around his little finger.”

Joran now claims to have hired a new lawyer named Ayudin Humala, who is appealing to the supreme court and hopes to get him out of prison within 15 years, a little over the half the time he is set to serve.

Humala allegedly saved Peruvian narcotics king pin Jorge Chavez Montoya from three life sentences for drug trafficking and charges of organized crime and homicide, according to Joran, and he hopes he can do the same for him as well.
 ::snipping2::


I wonder how he is sending Sugar messages if there is a cell phone blocker as reported?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 01:50:21 PM
Joran looking for 20 grand to return to Castro prison to 'buy'

 Joran van der Sloot is determined to return to the relatively comfortable Castro prison in Lima, Peru. He currently sits on its 28-year prison sentence for the murder of Stephany Flores, in the heavier regimen of Piedras Gordas prison.

 That reports Radar Online. Van der Sloot has his lawyer Jose Luis Jimenez Navarro fired and now uses the services of another lawyer, whose name was not announced. Jimenez was fired because he returns to Castro has not yet achieved. He is by Van der Sloot also a 'soft' attitude blamed.

 The former lawyer was of the opinion that the transfer immediately after a conviction is very unusual and that there is no basis for it. He is convinced that the family of Stephany Flores had a hand in the transfer. "But we can never prove it," he said.

 Main task of his new adviser is to Joran to move to a prison where the stay more pleasant than where he is now. It is said that Van der Sloot seeking $ 20,000 to his move to 'pay'.

 This is in practice tantamount to bribing prison staff and officials. Joran said earlier feel very unhappy in his new cell, while in the Castrogevangins led a comfortable existence.

 Joran, according to Radar Online still knocking at his benefactress Mary Hamer (55) for money. She announced earlier but that she was broke, after they had donated all her savings to Van der Sloot.
 

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3168180/2012/02/09/Joran-zoekt-20-mille-om-terugkeer-naar-Castro-gevangenis-te-kopen.dhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 09, 2012, 02:02:34 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/02/joran-van-der-sloot-new-lawyer-castro-castro-prison

Joran Van Der Sloot Hires New Lawyer, Trying To Get Back To Cushy Castro Castro Prison
By Debbie Emery - Radar Reporter
Posted on Feb 09, 2012 @ 06:00AM   

Joran van der Sloot is desperate to get back home to the comforts of Castro Castro prison and he is not afraid to pay Peruvian officials in order to get there, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.

The convicted killer is currently serving 28 years in the maximum security Piedras Gordas facility for the May 2010 murder of student Stephany Flores, but he is determined not to be there for long, according to an insider.

“Joran has hired a new lawyer who is hoping to get him transferred back to Castro Castro by the end of February, but says it will cost at least $20,000 to get him moved,” a source exclusively gold RadarOnline.com.

 ::snipping2::
The 24-year-old Dutchman now claims to have fired Jimenez due to “unprofessional behavior,” and because he was “weak and disappointed him” reveals our source, following a falling out over $69,000 that the lawyer returned to Joran’s self-appointed guardian angel, Mary Hamer.

Meanwhile, van der Sloot continues to repeatedly ask Hamer for money to pay legal bills, bribe guards, and improve his life in prison in every way -- from better food to cell phone and Internet time.

“He’s constantly sending manipulative messages and playing mind games with her, saying that Mary is the only person who has been loyal to him while he’s been in that ‘hell hole,’” said the insider.  “It’s a startling insight into how he wraps people around his little finger.”

Joran now claims to have hired a new lawyer named Ayudin Humala, who is appealing to the supreme court and hopes to get him out of prison within 15 years, a little over the half the time he is set to serve.

Humala allegedly saved Peruvian narcotics king pin Jorge Chavez Montoya from three life sentences for drug trafficking and charges of organized crime and homicide, according to Joran, and he hopes he can do the same for him as well.
 ::snipping2::


A new lawyer and $20,000.

Hmm.... I wonder if Mary Hamer agreed to back Joran again if he fired Jimnez?  Where else would he get the money to hire a new and what seems to be a high profile lawyer like Humala?  And/or bribe money to get back to Castro Castro.

This Humala sounds like a Peruvian equivalent of Tacopena.

Joran trying so desperately to get out of Pietras Gordas tells me he is suffering! And I like that!

Hopefully Mr Flores has enough political clout to block a transfer back to Castro Castro, and maybe even get him transferred to Challapalca instead!  :::::::happy dance:::::::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on February 09, 2012, 02:08:56 PM
JORAN: NO HOME LIKE MY OLD HELLHOLE

Convicted killer JORAN van der SLOOT is desperate to get back home to all-access comforts of his old place of incarceration, Castro Castro prison where he enjoyed conjugal visits and he intends to make big payoffs to get his way.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/joran-new-lawywr-appeal-conjugal-visits


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 09, 2012, 02:59:23 PM
Hans Hugen is posting on Anitarts FB page.

YUCK!!  I guess none of them have any class!

Google translation:

Zuzzzie Hey, did you again well done! Where can I place an order? Can t get better pick it up yourself, am the weather was cold here ..... yesterday morning with -15 at t fietsie ..... especially good for blackheads on my nose ........; -)) Big hug

Hey zuzzzie, heb je weer knap gedaan!!! Waar kan ik een bestelling plaatsen? Kan t maar beter zelf ophalen, ben de kou hier weer zat.....gister ochtend met -15 op t fietsie.....wel goed voor mn mee-eters op mn neus........;-)) Dikke knuf

http://www.facebook.com/avdsart


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 09, 2012, 06:46:10 PM
When Joran first went to Castro Castro we heard that it was one of the harshest
prisons in the world.
Now they are calling it "cushy"??

Maybe Anita will provide funds to her murdering sporter?  Didn't Mary Hamer give
Anita $20,000 for Joran's needs? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 10, 2012, 12:56:48 AM
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=517089791&sk=wall

 ::snipping2::

Anita Hugen
Happy Birthday, dear Ronchi! May your day be filled with rainbows.
17 hours ago

 ::monkeydust::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: can on February 10, 2012, 08:31:28 AM
If the $69.000 was sent back to Mary, wouldn't Joran hound her to get it back? Bloodsuckers don't stop until they exact the last drop.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2012, 05:54:36 PM
5K Fun Run/Walk

We all remember the tragedy when Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba on her high school trip in 2005.  Everyone in America shared the pain of Natalee’s family.  Her mother, Ms. Beth Holloway, channeled her grief into helping other families looking for their missing children by establishing the Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC) to assist families and to raise awareness among teenagers about the dangers of international travel.

Augusta Prep is hosting a 5K Fun Run/Walk – “Running for Justice – Natalee Holloway 5K” to raise money to contribute to this great cause.  We will donate 100% of the proceeds to the NHRC.  The 5K is scheduled for Saturday, February 25th, 2012, at 10:00am, on the Augusta Prep cross-country trail.  We are combining our passion for running with our desire to help this great cause and to raise awareness in our community about safe international travel.

To make this event more meaningful than we ever could by ourselves, Natalee’s mother is going to join us!!  She’ll take part in the 5K run/walk, and she’ll speak to our student body and parents the day before.  This is going to make the event very exciting!  Our goal is to have as many runners as possible in the 5K.  To register, go to www.augustaprep.org/5k.  The cost is $20 per runner…again, all proceeds go to the Foundation.
 
We are asking for your help in sponsoring the 5K.  Sponsors are people who donate to the run, and, therefore, to this worthy cause.  The sponsor levels are listed below.  We hope we can count on you to sponsor by goods, services, or a simple donation.  We appreciate your support more than you can know.

Thank you for your help!
Maggie McLeod, Senior, Augusta Prep
Amanda Murphy, Junior, Augusta Prep

<snipped>

For more details and information email:  maggiemoo1050@aol.com

http://www.augustaprep.org/page.cfm?p=781


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 10, 2012, 06:48:45 PM
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=517089791&sk=wall

 ::snipping2::

Anita Hugen
Happy Birthday, dear Ronchi! May your day be filled with rainbows.
17 hours ago

 ::monkeydust::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

You made my day! Ronchi has a number of things filled with rainbows.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 10, 2012, 06:54:49 PM
 
Beth Holloway set as first speaker for Discovery Series

Keeping with current events, the Bristol Public Library would like to announce the first speaker of the 2012 Discovery Series, Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway. The event will be held on Thursday, March 22nd at 7 p.m. Holloway talks about hope, courage in sheer adversity, and travel safety. The purchase of a $50 ticket will support Library programs and will provide the ticketholder with access to the Private Meet & Greet at 6p.m., reserved seating to the public presentation at 7p.m., and a complimentary copy of Beth Holloway’s book Loving Natalee. All other seats are free general admission. Tickets and seating are limited. For questions about this Discovery Series event or any other library programs, call 276.821.6148 or email marketing@bristol-library.org.

Her presentation to the public is set to begin at 7 p.m. in the J. Henry Kegley Meeting Room. She will speak, answer questions and sign books during this time.

http://www.believeinbristol.org/blog.php?id=880


BRISTOL PUBLIC LIBRARY DISCOVERY SERIES SPEAKER, BETH HOLLOWAY

Contact: Bristol Public Library, Marketing Director Sarah Hutchinson
Phone: 276-821-6148
E-mail: marketing@bristol-library.org
URL: www.bristol-library.org

http://visitbristoltnva.net/events/details/bristol-public-library-discovery-series-speaker-beth-holloway/1233


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 10, 2012, 08:32:37 PM
When Joran first went to Castro Castro we heard that it was one of the harshest
prisons in the world.
Now they are calling it "cushy"??

Maybe Anita will provide funds to her murdering sporter?  Didn't Mary Hamer give
Anita $20,000 for Joran's needs? 


BBM

My guess is that barely covered the old bat's bar tab.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 10, 2012, 08:38:28 PM
When Joran first went to Castro Castro we heard that it was one of the harshest
prisons in the world.
Now they are calling it "cushy"??

Maybe Anita will provide funds to her murdering sporter?  Didn't Mary Hamer give
Anita $20,000 for Joran's needs? 


BBM

My guess is that barely covered the old bat's bar tab.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 10, 2012, 08:44:28 PM
When Joran first went to Castro Castro we heard that it was one of the harshest
prisons in the world.
Now they are calling it "cushy"??

Maybe Anita will provide funds to her murdering sporter?  Didn't Mary Hamer give
Anita $20,000 for Joran's needs? 


BBM

My guess is that barely covered the old bat's bar tab.

If she had anything left, she probably spent it on beads for her "art".   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 10, 2012, 08:52:27 PM
When Joran first went to Castro Castro we heard that it was one of the harshest
prisons in the world.
Now they are calling it "cushy"??

Maybe Anita will provide funds to her murdering sporter?  Didn't Mary Hamer give
Anita $20,000 for Joran's needs? 


BBM

My guess is that barely covered the old bat's bar tab.

If she had anything left, she probably spent it on beads for her "art".   ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::koaladancing::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 10, 2012, 09:59:13 PM
When Joran first went to Castro Castro we heard that it was one of the harshest
prisons in the world.
Now they are calling it "cushy"??

Maybe Anita will provide funds to her murdering sporter?  Didn't Mary Hamer give
Anita $20,000 for Joran's needs? 


BBM

My guess is that barely covered the old bat's bar tab.


That was my thought too, but I didn't want to get reprimanded for talking bad
about somebody. 
I bet Joran never saw a dime of the money sent to Anita.
Perhaps she bought Ronchi a rainbow connection?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2012, 01:29:35 AM
When Joran first went to Castro Castro we heard that it was one of the harshest
prisons in the world.
Now they are calling it "cushy"??

Maybe Anita will provide funds to her murdering sporter?  Didn't Mary Hamer give
Anita $20,000 for Joran's needs? 


BBM

My guess is that barely covered the old bat's bar tab.


That was my thought too, but I didn't want to get reprimanded for talking bad
about somebody. 
I bet Joran never saw a dime of the money sent to Anita.
Perhaps she bought Ronchi a rainbow connection?

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::


Tibro   ::rhino:: ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2012, 01:36:53 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/101330-politie-kans-op-escalatie-klein-na-dodelijke-schietpartijen

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%202012/02102012_Amigoe.png)


Police: 'Chance small escalation after deadly shootings'         

FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 10, 2012 7:53

One of the four arrested in connection with the shooting yesterday in Seroe Patrishi.

ORANGE CITY - The police considers the small chance that new incidents of violence occur in connection with two fatal shootings in San Nicolas (Sunday) and Seroe Patrishi (yesterday). "All actors are stuck or lying in the hospital," said police spokesman John Larmonie against Amigoe . One person died last night in the hospital from his injuries.

by our reporter

Ariën Rasmijn

According to police spokesman, the police want to lead the people to show its "top of the case lies in the shooting last night around six o'clock took place in Seroe Patrishi. Three men were injured. One of them, Ricardo Andres Violenus (41), survived the incident and died at eight o'clock in the Horacio Oduber Hospital (HOH). The other two victims were seriously injured and slightly injured, respectively, and are still in the hospital. During last night Four people were arrested, as confirmed by Chief Justice Peter Blanken morning.

 ::snipping2::

Victim's brother San Nicolas

The four arrestees are OAM, AMB, MNT and MFP. Blanken confirms that one of them is the brother of Derreck Koolman (28) on Sunday after the children's parade in San Nicolas was shot against the bar Julio's. Blanken would not say which of the four nor whether he was the one who pulled the trigger last night in Seroe Patrishi. "The police investigation which is still ongoing," said the chief. Today, the quartet brought before the magistrate. They are suspected of murder or manslaughter on Violenus and attempted murder or manslaughter on the other two victims.

"Public Secret"

Police spokesman Larmonie would not confirm whether the shooting in Seroe Patrishi to do with the shooting in San Nicolas, but he believes this is "probably". "That we investigate further and we want to exclude all other possibilities." The fact is that the rumbles between groups in San Nicolas and Seroe Patrishi. "This is an open secret," the police spokesman.

Yesterday there were two more reports of shots in San Nicolas. "At twelve o'clock were shots fired, when the funeral procession of Koolman past the house of his grandmother drove, and that happened at three o'clock in the afternoon opposite the bar, Julio's, where Koolman was shot," said Larmonie. Although it was known that there were tensions, the police could not at that time preventive action, because no tips were received, he explains. "In retrospect we often hear that they did know that something would happen."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2012, 02:15:09 AM
http://www.versgeperst.com/nieuws/140624/cruiseschip-laat-curacao-varen-door-virus.html

Google translation:

Cruise Curacao fern leaves by virus

02.09.2012 10:29 | NEWS | Leoni Leidel-Schenk

CURACAO - The cruise ship Crown Princess has her trip to Curacao and Aruba interrupted after the Norovirus has broken out on the ship. Reports that NBC Miami . Two cruise ships of the U.S. shipping company Princess Cruise Lines camps already with the virus.
 
After consultation with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has decided to ship two days before returning to Fort Lauderdale, where the ship arrives today. Are reportedly 173 people of the 3,080 passengers affected by the Norovirus, which headache, nausea and diarrhea.

Quarantine

Curacao and Aruba walk this way 3,080 tourists miss.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 11, 2012, 02:20:41 AM
Oh, for goodness sake.  The police motto must be "No tips, no action."
What do they do during the day?  Play on their drums all day?  ::MonkeyWink::

Quote
Although it was known that there were tensions, the police could not at that time preventive action, because no tips were received, he explains. "In retrospect we often hear that they did know that something would happen."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2012, 02:22:39 AM
http://www.versgeperst.com/lifestyle/140050/r-kelly-op-soul-beach-aruba.html

Google translation:

R. Kelly on Aruba Soul Beach

02.06.2012 24:20 | Caribbean , LIFESTYLE | Elisa Cake

CURACAO - Winner of three Grammy Awards, dozens of hits and more than than 34 million singles sold. The name R. Kelly does not really need an introduction. In a few months at Soul Beach in Aruba's world-famous singer strikes down on our neighboring island.
The twelfth edition of Soul Beach takes place from 23 to 28 May R. Kelly will be the 27th the stage.

 ::snipping2::

Comments: 

Piet Lut , on 06/02/2012 at 14:37 wrote:

IAW watch out for your young children


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2012, 02:28:34 AM
Oh, for goodness sake.  The police motto must be "No tips, no action."
What do they do during the day?  Play on their drums all day?  ::MonkeyWink::

Quote
Although it was known that there were tensions, the police could not at that time preventive action, because no tips were received, he explains. "In retrospect we often hear that they did know that something would happen."


Welcome to Aruba!   ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If the citizens hadn't helped no one probably would have ever been arrested, and they were more than likely only willing to help with this one because they were afraid of getting killed in the crossfire!

Did you notice that they protected the gang banger's identity in the picture?!

WHY?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Never ceases to amaze me... 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 11, 2012, 02:43:30 AM
Oh, for goodness sake.  The police motto must be "No tips, no action."
What do they do during the day?  Play on their drums all day?  ::MonkeyWink::

Quote
Although it was known that there were tensions, the police could not at that time preventive action, because no tips were received, he explains. "In retrospect we often hear that they did know that something would happen."


Welcome to Aruba!   ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If the citizens hadn't helped no one probably would have ever been arrested, and they were more than likely only willing to help with this one because they were afraid of getting killed in the crossfire!

Did you notice that they protected the gang banger's identity in the picture?!

WHY?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Never ceases to amaze me... 

I noticed "the mask."  Maybe for privacy?  Had to look closer at the face in case it was a familiar face.  ::MonkeyWink::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2012, 03:08:41 AM
Dennis Jacobs   ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/43108-pashent-di-paaz-laga-liber-11or-y-un-rato-despues-ta-causa-desaster-na-gandelman-jewelers-.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.feb.09.atraco-1.DSC_7576.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 11, 2012, 03:28:57 AM
Oh, for goodness sake.  The police motto must be "No tips, no action."
What do they do during the day?  Play on their drums all day?  ::MonkeyWink::

Quote
Although it was known that there were tensions, the police could not at that time preventive action, because no tips were received, he explains. "In retrospect we often hear that they did know that something would happen."


Welcome to Aruba!   ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

If the citizens hadn't helped no one probably would have ever been arrested, and they were more than likely only willing to help with this one because they were afraid of getting killed in the crossfire!

Did you notice that they protected the gang banger's identity in the picture?!

WHY?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Never ceases to amaze me... 

I noticed "the mask."  Maybe for privacy?  Had to look closer at the face in case it was a familiar face.  ::MonkeyWink::
 

I've seen his picture on another Aruban website that didn't bother...

Why should they, they don't bother to protect the privacy of victims of accidents or crimes; and MOST suspects in crimes from my experience in following the news there.

Just thought it was interesting that they did in this case...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 07:28:45 PM
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/tattoo.jpg)

Mi Dushi Sailing & Snorkeling Aruba
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http://www.facebook.com/partyboat


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 11, 2012, 09:31:35 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::

I didn't know Carlo's N Charlies in Aruba was closed in 2008, and re-opened in adjacent area as Senor Frog's.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 12, 2012, 10:53:36 AM
http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/43166-castigo-di-prizon-pa-chauffeur-burachi.html

Papiamentu translation:

castigo of jail for chauffeur sober

saturday, 11 february 2012 10:03

huez is achieve cu owing to stay comproba cu he luis b.t. owing to happen trapa two motociclista cu owing to cay for of scooter, year happen at height of four seas restaurant situa at solito. he chauffeur of the scooter owing to fayece y his pareha owing to stay seriamente injury. chauffeur of the car does not owing to blow y police owing to achieve cocaina in his car. the passenger owing to tell police cu several bez past owing to notice cu luis b.t. was stick dream arise bek. huez owing to conden'e at 15 month of jail, kitando the time cu the is in detencion preventivo.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 12, 2012, 11:29:46 AM
Ex police officer Robert Kock cleared of all charges.

Links from the initial arrest reports...

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2064&offId=0&offDate=2009-11

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1035379#msg1035379
 ::snipping2::
Quote
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_65918.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Agent at liberty

December 3, 2009, 12:37 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The rape suspect agent RP Kock was at liberty. The judge has the custody of the agent suspended so he is not lower in the cell have to stay. The prosecution wanted to hold down even longer agent under investigation. Kock is in addition to rape, threats and also suspected of forgery. For this he was arrested in early November.


http://www.diario.aw/2012/02/ex-polis-robert-kock-declara-liber-di-tur-acusacion/

Papiamentu translation:

ex-polis robert kock declara pound of all acusacion

publication: saturday, 11 february 2012. categoria:

general,policial

oranjestad(aan): diahuebs huez owing to give his veredicto in one caso contra ex agent policial robert kock. past owing to worde acusa of maltrato y falsificacion in his trabao because; police, on 2 of september 2008. apart from this past owing to worde acusa of menaza one muher cu his arm of candela y forza the person for haci cierto actonan sexual cune at various occasion at 2009. the caso owing to worde deal day 19 of january 2012, after cu at several occasion the caso owing to worde posponi, among another for listen some witness cu is in exterior. diahuebs huez owing to give his veredicto, where cu past owing to declara kock pound of all acusacion. in his splicacion of the veredicto huez owing to tell cu after cu past owing to evalua all cos in the caso here, the do not achieve suficientemente comproba cu kock was have the intencion of cause dolor or lesion at the person cu the was aresta during his trabao because; police on 2 of september 2008.

huez owing to indica cu kock owing to splica cu hour cu the was come on the sospechoso, his intencion was for gare at his throat for controla the situation y door of esey his hand can owing to strike the person one bit strong close of his nek.

witness k. owing to tell cu past owing to look at kock strike the sospechoso, but the not owing to specifica what type of golpi this was y where the golpi owing to strike the sospechoso.

huez owing to as cuenta also cu the mature cu k. that was colega of kock self owing to declara cu at dado instant hour cu the sospechoso owing to give indicacion of bay strike kock, k. owing to saca leg y owing to strike the sospechoso in his cara.

after of esey k. y the sospechoso owing to cay on vloer. mirando cu the sospechoso owing to talk of only 1 fist cu past owing to achieve, huez owing to tell cu can have doubt in that owing to strike the these fist. for thing is the mature cu supuestamente kock intencionalmente owing to falsifica one so calling rapport of mutacion, huez niether owing to achieve esey comproba.

huez in his splicacion of his decision owing to talk also of the muher cu owing to entrega the denuncia contra kock of menaza y the obligacion of haci actonan sexual cu the not was desea. the denuncia was tell cu kock owing to forze for haci cierto actonan cu the not was desea y past owing to haci esakinan door of fright for kock.

sinembargo during tratamento of the caso, advocate of kock mr. demis illes owing to present one carta of the same muher.

the muher owing to send one carta in cual past owing to write cu past owing to give one denuncia false contra kock, because the was bao of presion of propietario female of one establecimento nocturno, for haci one denuncia contra kock.

in one ‘chat log’ the muher that was work at the lugar, owing to tell kock cu the propietario of the lugar owing to forze for entrega the denuncia, for so kock because; agent policial not can owing to molestia the lugar more in his funcion because; police..

mirando the carta company for her muher y the chat log, huez not owing to achieve the first declaracion y denuncia of the muher at police confiable. huez owing to achieve cu not was have sufficient proof, for achieve kock culpable of this.

mirando all this, huez owing to achieve at the conclusion cu the have cu declara robert kock pound of all acusacion. kock self owing to declara at daily paper, cu soon the will come fast cu some informacion preocupante for thing is funcionamento of cuerpo policial of aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 12, 2012, 07:02:36 PM
http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/43166-castigo-di-prizon-pa-chauffeur-burachi.html

Papiamentu translation:

castigo of jail for chauffeur sober

saturday, 11 february 2012 10:03

huez is achieve cu owing to stay comproba cu he luis b.t. owing to happen trapa two motociclista cu owing to cay for of scooter, year happen at height of four seas restaurant situa at solito. he chauffeur of the scooter owing to fayece y his pareha owing to stay seriamente injury. chauffeur of the car does not owing to blow y police owing to achieve cocaina in his car. the passenger owing to tell police cu several bez past owing to notice cu luis b.t. was stick dream arise bek. huez owing to conden'e at 15 month of jail, kitando the time cu the is in detencion preventivo.

Found it in English, Texasmom.

http://arubaherald.com/court/2038-prisontime-for-drunk-driver-who-ran-over-motorcyclist.html

Prisontime for drunk driver who ran over motorcyclist       
Saturday, 11 February 2012 18:00 

A judge sentenced Luis B.T. to 15 months in prison, including the time he has already been in detention, for running over two people who had fallen off a scooter in Solito across from Four Seas Restaurant last year. The man died, while the female passenger was seriously injured. The car's chauffeur, Luis B.T. did not want to take a breathalyzer test and police found some cocaine in the car. The car's passenger told police he noticed that Luis B.T. fell asleep and awoke a few times behind the wheel.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 13, 2012, 12:09:10 AM
Forever Natalee's Mom

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Preface


I'm the parent who got the dreaded call.  The parent no one wants to be.  The one whose phone rang out of the blue in the middle of the day, and the voice on the other end said, "Your daughter is missing."  I'm that desperate mother on TV holding up pictures of her missing child, pleading for help, describing the details surrounding an unthinkable crime.  My daughter is Natalee Holloway.  She disappeared in Aruba on the last night of her senior-high graduation trip in 2005 and hasn't been seen since.  I never imagined that would be "that parent," living an endless nightmare in front of the whole world.  But was, and I still am, because I will always search for her.  I will forever be Natalee's mom.

 :smt060



(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 13, 2012, 12:19:36 AM
5K Fun Run/Walk

We all remember the tragedy when Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba on her high school trip in 2005.  Everyone in America shared the pain of Natalee’s family.  Her mother, Ms. Beth Holloway, channeled her grief into helping other families looking for their missing children by establishing the Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC) to assist families and to raise awareness among teenagers about the dangers of international travel.

Augusta Prep is hosting a 5K Fun Run/Walk – “Running for Justice – Natalee Holloway 5K” to raise money to contribute to this great cause.  We will donate 100% of the proceeds to the NHRC.  The 5K is scheduled for Saturday, February 25th, 2012, at 10:00am, on the Augusta Prep cross-country trail.  We are combining our passion for running with our desire to help this great cause and to raise awareness in our community about safe international travel.

To make this event more meaningful than we ever could by ourselves, Natalee’s mother is going to join us!!  She’ll take part in the 5K run/walk, and she’ll speak to our student body and parents the day before.  This is going to make the event very exciting!  Our goal is to have as many runners as possible in the 5K.  To register, go to www.augustaprep.org/5k.  The cost is $20 per runner…again, all proceeds go to the Foundation.
 
We are asking for your help in sponsoring the 5K.  Sponsors are people who donate to the run, and, therefore, to this worthy cause.  The sponsor levels are listed below.  We hope we can count on you to sponsor by goods, services, or a simple donation.  We appreciate your support more than you can know.

Thank you for your help!
Maggie McLeod, Senior, Augusta Prep
Amanda Murphy, Junior, Augusta Prep

<snipped>

For more details and information email:  maggiemoo1050@aol.com

http://www.augustaprep.org/page.cfm?p=781


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 13, 2012, 12:22:18 AM

Beth Holloway set as first speaker for Discovery Series

Keeping with current events, the Bristol Public Library would like to announce the first speaker of the 2012 Discovery Series, Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway. The event will be held on Thursday, March 22nd at 7 p.m. Holloway talks about hope, courage in sheer adversity, and travel safety. The purchase of a $50 ticket will support Library programs and will provide the ticketholder with access to the Private Meet & Greet at 6p.m., reserved seating to the public presentation at 7p.m., and a complimentary copy of Beth Holloway’s book Loving Natalee. All other seats are free general admission. Tickets and seating are limited. For questions about this Discovery Series event or any other library programs, call 276.821.6148 or email marketing@bristol-library.org.

Her presentation to the public is set to begin at 7 p.m. in the J. Henry Kegley Meeting Room. She will speak, answer questions and sign books during this time.

http://www.believeinbristol.org/blog.php?id=880


BRISTOL PUBLIC LIBRARY DISCOVERY SERIES SPEAKER, BETH HOLLOWAY

Contact: Bristol Public Library, Marketing Director Sarah Hutchinson
Phone: 276-821-6148
E-mail: marketing@bristol-library.org
URL: www.bristol-library.org

http://visitbristoltnva.net/events/details/bristol-public-library-discovery-series-speaker-beth-holloway/1233


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 13, 2012, 12:28:14 AM

(http://leadercall.com/archive/x563625244/g00025800000000000029374d63c8ae6630c18d59f5eb785cd45dc76353.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 13, 2012, 02:00:31 AM
http://www.celebritytweet.com/JonathanCheban/link/165614892659916800/

Jonathan Cheban   
Aruba! RT @NadiaMaduro: @JonathanCheban, just wanted 2 let you know that u'r in the Focus Magazine in Aruba! Come back http://t.co/Loq2KBhW
Updated 9 days ago via UberSocial for BlackBerry    Share

http://www.celebritytweet.com/link.php?s=http://t.co/Loq2KBhW
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg878/scaled.php?tn=0&server=878&filename=sksiz.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)

https://www.facebook.com/kevin.roossien?sk=wall

(lightened)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/0105201201.jpg)

Sebastian van der Sloot far right


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 13, 2012, 02:04:53 AM
http://arubaherald.com/entertainment/1906-kim-kardashian-pal-enjoys-a-week-on-aruba.html

Kim Kardashian pal enjoys a week on Aruba         

Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:57
 
 
Last week Jonathan Cheban spent a week on Aruba; he tweeted about his experience to his some 300,000 followers. Cheban said he had a tan t0 maintain and enjoyed the hospitality of the Hyatt Casino and dinner at El Gaucho twice and Madame Jeanette once. Cheban was a passenger on the JetBlue flight which suffered damage from a birdstrike and had to stay over an additional night.
 ::snipping2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 13, 2012, 02:05:19 AM
No idea when the picture with Sebastian and other ISA students was taken, but it was posted on Facebook on January 5th.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 13, 2012, 02:12:15 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 13, 2012, 02:14:26 AM
http://www.celebritytweet.com/JonathanCheban/link/165614892659916800/

Jonathan Cheban   
Aruba! RT @NadiaMaduro: @JonathanCheban, just wanted 2 let you know that u'r in the Focus Magazine in Aruba! Come back http://t.co/Loq2KBhW
Updated 9 days ago via UberSocial for BlackBerry    Share

http://www.celebritytweet.com/link.php?s=http://t.co/Loq2KBhW
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg878/scaled.php?tn=0&server=878&filename=sksiz.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)

https://www.facebook.com/kevin.roossien?sk=wall

(lightened)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/0105201201.jpg)

Sebastian van der Sloot far right

The one with the devil eyes... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 13, 2012, 08:46:31 AM
He looks like he could pick up the little feller in blue and eat him like a little buffalo wing. From thumb to hand look at how it matches up
to the lil guy's arm! Sebas has been eating all of his Bubba Burgers!

Cheban is a fruitcake. ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 13, 2012, 01:59:25 PM
That pic of SeaBass and his posse reminds  me of the infamous pic of Joran and the Pimp Gang.

Must be a "right of passage" or something. 

Seabass looks HUGE, compared with the 3 other boys, especially the wee one he's standing next to.

Yep, Carpe, the little one in blue is just a snack to Seabass, and would nicely fit in a cavity in one of SeaBass's teeth.

LOL.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 13, 2012, 04:29:35 PM
THE PERSISTENCE BETRAYAL

CapsLockWizard was a nic used by four deceivers who had an agenda ... an agenda to distract attention away from the trap discovered by John Silvetti's Persistence endeavor ... the trap that may have contained Natalee Holloway's remains ... the trap that was afforded unchallenged to those who were involved in the corrupt investigation that prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005.

Nine days following "Caps" first post on the SM forum ... I sensed that somethng was hinky.  Posts were articulated in both perfect and broken English.  In other words ... it was obvious to me that more than one individual was posting under the nic CapsLockWizard.  Also ... Jug Twitty had been undermined by "Caps" while Dave Holloway was upheld.

Janet

++++


CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #139 on: January 26, 2008, 06:05:40 PM »


Good day All Monkeys

My eye are tired, brain cells are all on fire, excuse me for sometimes for posting typing errors or not perfect grammer, while trying to solve the riddle. My brain cell + 4 Computers are thinking in all possible scenarios, Current events, Political Events, Time Lines etc at the same time tried to ask questions, type, Decode, reassemble, re-analysis and reading information written from diffrent source of document written in 4 diffrent languages (DUTCH, PAPIAMENTO, SPANISH, ENGLISH can makes for these errors.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg332565;topicseen#msg332565


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #438 on: January 27, 2008, 05:52:50 PM »


San ... I will respectfully bow out for now.  I am very upset.

Caps may or may not have a firm grasp of the English language but ... he/she comes across loud and clear regarding his/her agenda in regards to Natalee Holloways' stepfather.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.420


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 13, 2012, 04:44:16 PM
Compare the above CapsLockWizard post from January 26, 2008 in its entirety with the following posted one day later.  This is why I never climbed on the CapsLockWizard bandwagon.

I can't be sure but a comparison of Gerold Dompig and Mark Purcell quotes in posts and interviews cause me to suspect that both these guys were two of CapsLockWizard's egos.   

Janet

++++++

CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #384 on: January 27, 2008, 02:51:39 PM »


need to know 2 things

Did Natalee travel somewhere before he come to Aruba

and

and the parents tree   Natalee is the doughter of  -----  and --------- etc.

I know that probably Dave Holloway has notting to do with this Case but the Twitty

Wat is twitty to natalee?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg332978#msg332978


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 13, 2012, 05:25:08 PM
THE PERISTENCE BETRAYAL

I suspect that CapsLockWizard's January 18, 2008 arrival on the SM Natalee Holloway forum was meant to distract attention away from the Persistent find onto the pond search.  Then when  Kyle Kingman/Ocean Exploration began posting details encompassing the Persistence find ... details that revealed the contents of the trap had been retrieved unchallenged by the Aruban enemy ... the Aruban enemy who had prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005 ... the four headed CapsLockWizard went into damage control distractions with theories that went beyond the pond.

Janet

+++++


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »


<snipped>

We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.  The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857;topicseen#msg366857

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 13, 2012, 08:42:26 PM
There is one who was on board the Persistence who can relate to emotions a parent feels in regards to the not-knowing of where his/her precious chlld is.  That person is Tim Miller.  It is my prayer that Tim will grow a conscience ... ask forgiveness from Beth Holloway and ... reveal all.

Janet

++++++

Let Me Take Her Home

Beth Holloway

Exerpts:


'I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.

'My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.'
 
'Tell me what happen.  Let me take her home.'

September, 2010

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran


A Cosmic WTF

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 14, 2012, 09:16:59 PM
http://www.24ora.com/politica-mainmenu-18/43304-arthur-dowers-ex-polisnan-ta-reintegra-den-cuerpo-policial-di-aruba.html

Papiamentu translation:

arthur dowers: ex-polisnan is reintegra in cuerpo policial of aruba

tuesday, 14 february 2012 19:25

monday morning cuerpo policial owing to ricibi agentenan yeniree pena, paul suete y wendy paesch bek because; acolyte of they team. in presencia of comisario trudy hassell y they chefnan of districto, the three agentenan owing to huramenta fast minister of husticia y enseñansa, mr. drs. arthur dowers at centro of husticia at macuarima.

the mandatario owing to tell cu is one sign much positive hour cu person wanted re-integra in cuerpo policial. past owing to añadi cu cuerpo policial is bayendo in the direccion positive y the is much satisfecho cu the desaroyonan tumando luga.

sr. dowers owing to gradici the agentenan for they re-ingreso y owing to añadi cu the is wait for of the agentenan, together cu they coleganan, cu they will also help contribui at the part of maneho of the cuerpo. the minister owing to splica cu esnan cu is work upstairs caya y cu is in contacto cu comunidad continuamente is esnan cu is hear the dolornan y is feel the señalnan of the necesidadnan of we comunidad. past owing to ask the agentenan for haci'e part of they responsabilidad for her informacion here arrive at top of cuerpo policial, so the informacion here can wordo employ y transforma in maneho cu is beneficia not only the cuerpo policial in his totalidad, but principalmente the comunidad of aruba.

minister dowers owing to conclui deseando the three agentenan, korspleiding y all cuerpo policial much forza y energy awo cu they're drentando the week more pisa of the season of carnaval.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.feb.14.dowers.front.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.feb.14.dowers.DSC_3164.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.feb.14.dowers.DSC_3168.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 14, 2012, 09:33:30 PM
http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=12449

Dutch MPs advocating free movement between islands
Posted by Aruba Daily on February 14th, 2012
 
THE HAGUE–Six parties in the Second Chamber, representing a majority, have prepared a motion which seeks the facilitation of free movement of persons and goods between the Dutch Caribbean islands. Traffic between the Dutch Caribbean countries has been qualified as international since the dismantling of the Netherlands Antilles as per October 10, 2010. This has adverse effects on the free movement of persons and goods, whereas in the past there were few or no restrictions.
 ::snipping2::
The six parties want the governments to tackle six issues: the prevention of double taxation on in-transit goods, the installation of a joint Customs association, the harmonisation of airport tax for flights between the islands, priority handling for Dutch passport holders at airports, the possibility to travel between the islands with an ID card or a pre-clearance, and the possibility of a ferry connection between Aruba, Bonaire and Curaçao.
 ::snipping2::
The motion does not affect movement of persons and goods to the Netherlands or the negotiations between the countries to regulate the movement of persons in the Kingdom and to the Netherlands, the so-called Rijkswet Personenverkeer.

The motion has to do with the economic restrictions that are a result of the changed constitutional relations in the Kingdom and the fact that there are now four autonomous countries in the Kingdom: Aruba, Curaçao, St. Maarten and the Netherlands.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Sleuth on February 15, 2012, 01:53:33 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 15, 2012, 12:42:03 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1012/Binnenland/article/detail/3181456/2012/02/15/Advocaat-Verhalen-over-Joran-kloppen-niet.dhtml

Google translation

Lawyer: Stories about Joran do not match
Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Lawyer Jose Luis Jimenez is not dismissed by Joran van der Sloot and the Dutch assassin tries not to get together $ 20,000 for a place in the Miguel Castro Castro prison to repurchase. Jiminez says Hart today against the Netherlands.

"It's Indian stories," says the lawyer Van der Sloot. "These messages are baseless." A week ago, the American news Radaroline.com that Joran's determination to return to the Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru, where he enjoyed many privileges. He was also very unhappy about Jiminez, as he returns to Castro Castro has not yet achieved.

 ::snipping2::

Joran also may not work or study, as he has in the Castro Castro prison should be allowed. This can be a problem for the Dutchman, as he so is not eligible for reduced sentences. In Peru, inmates can get one day sentence for every two days they work or study.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 15, 2012, 12:50:47 PM
http://www.hartvannederland.nl/nederland/2012/verhalen-over-joran-kloppen-niet/

Google translation

Today 7:39 hours
"Stories about Joran not beat '

 ::snipping2::

Thus Joran trying to get $ 20,000 together so as his place in the Castro Castro prison to repurchase. "These messages are baseless," said Jimenez. Also, by Joran Jimenez fired his lawyer. This is also not true. Jimenez still looks after his interests.

Joran was on January 13, transferred from the Castro Castro prison to Piedras Gordas heavily guarded prison. He has that day a penalty of 28 years been imposed for the murder of Stephany Flores. Joran and his attorney do not agree with this transfer.

There, according to Jimenez a tough regimen used in Piedras Gordas. Joran in prison may not work or study, as he has in the Castro Castro prison should be allowed. In Peru, inmates may get reduced sentences for one day every two days that they are working or studying in prison. For these sentences, Joran now ineligible. In addition hampers this regime according to his lawyer his future reintegration into society. His development would be quiet because he does not put work and study.

"There was no reason to Joran to be transferred to the Piedras Gordas prison. This was a totally subjective decision made ​​by the authorities only to third parties' satisfaction. I hope therefore the short term to ensure that Joran can return to the Castro Castro prison so he can continue his development. "


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 15, 2012, 05:23:45 PM
Thanks Graceland for these 2 new articles.

I like that Joran has not been able to work or study at Piedras Gordas.  No reduced time earned yet!!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 15, 2012, 06:58:36 PM
Thanks Graceland for these 2 new articles.

I like that Joran has not been able to work or study at Piedras Gordas.  No reduced time earned yet!!   ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2012, 06:59:10 PM
THE PERSISTENCE BETRYAL - THE FURTHERING OF THE ARUBAN COVERUP

Could it be that one of four egos posting under the nic CapsLockWizards was Gerold Dompig?  Could it be that Gerold Dompig was the detective that led the Persistence to the trap location?

Janet

++++++

Anomino aka CapsLockWizard

Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating


#22 Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm

<snipped>

Nathalie Price $1000.000.00 and second price 250.000.00 to tell something

A Long time has past and the poor people in Aruba never came to claim the price… Aruban, Dutch, American, Surinam living in an expensive island where 50.000 are over 50 yr old and where 25000 are of school age and 50000 65yr and up on pension and none of them will like to win the lottery. Ask yourself why?

Is it that because they have to much casino and 1,000.000.00 will not make a difference or is it that they have done so much money laundry that they do not need a million or so to boost up their portfolio or is it that they are so corrupt that they do not see a Million Dollar…???????

The reason they are not coming forward is that no-one has seen or hear anything
or is it that they are afraid of the 3 alleged perps that have hurts their island so much that they are afraid of them?,

or is it this question

IS IT THAT THIS IS ALL A FABRICATION FOR AN INSURANCE CLAIM AFTER 5 OR 10 YEARS?

Where the players are all connected and waiting for time to tick away to 2010

Posted December 22, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/


Gerold Dompig

DIARIO Aruba
10/26/2005


<snipped>

This because a case such as Natalee’s has different scenarios. One scenario is that a person killed Natalee, or for whatever reason she is no longer living.

Another scenario is that she is alive, but everything in the case is a ‘set up’, to profit in one way or another.

One possibility for example is that they said she is deceased, and they can collect the life insurance money, while in reality she is not deceased, but another way is that with collecting funds from people with good intentions that send money for the fund and the family enriches themselves.

If the mother gives information about how much money there is and how much money she is spending, he has no problem with this. However, if the mother has everything secret, this becomes part of the investigation because it puts the case in a different light.

[translated by Getagrip]
Posted by Getagrip at 10/27/2005 10:52:00 AM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_23_archive.html


The Detective

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case.
 
Kyle Kingman: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude.

Kyle Kingman: He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed.

Kyle Kingman: The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. 
 
Kyle Kingman: Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude.

Kyle Kingman:  The tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.

Kyle Kingman:  I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap.

Kyle Kingman:  If a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle Kingman:  The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Gerold Dompig

FOX ONLINE - Jamie Colby - July 15, 2005

<snipped>

TIM MILLER: Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.

Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep" and we always thought about the water anyhow.

<snipped>

Transcript Credit: Heli (RU)


Independent of Investigators?

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »


I don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office

I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains.

So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#

s.t.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2012, 07:01:27 PM
5K Fun Run/Walk

We all remember the tragedy when Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba on her high school trip in 2005.  Everyone in America shared the pain of Natalee’s family.  Her mother, Ms. Beth Holloway, channeled her grief into helping other families looking for their missing children by establishing the Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC) to assist families and to raise awareness among teenagers about the dangers of international travel.

Augusta Prep is hosting a 5K Fun Run/Walk – “Running for Justice – Natalee Holloway 5K” to raise money to contribute to this great cause.  We will donate 100% of the proceeds to the NHRC.  The 5K is scheduled for Saturday, February 25th, 2012, at 10:00am, on the Augusta Prep cross-country trail.  We are combining our passion for running with our desire to help this great cause and to raise awareness in our community about safe international travel.

To make this event more meaningful than we ever could by ourselves, Natalee’s mother is going to join us!!  She’ll take part in the 5K run/walk, and she’ll speak to our student body and parents the day before.  This is going to make the event very exciting!  Our goal is to have as many runners as possible in the 5K.  To register, go to www.augustaprep.org/5k.  The cost is $20 per runner…again, all proceeds go to the Foundation.
 
We are asking for your help in sponsoring the 5K.  Sponsors are people who donate to the run, and, therefore, to this worthy cause.  The sponsor levels are listed below.  We hope we can count on you to sponsor by goods, services, or a simple donation.  We appreciate your support more than you can know.

Thank you for your help!
Maggie McLeod, Senior, Augusta Prep
Amanda Murphy, Junior, Augusta Prep

<snipped>

For more details and information email:  maggiemoo1050@aol.com

http://www.augustaprep.org/page.cfm?p=781


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2012, 07:02:54 PM

Beth Holloway set as first speaker for Discovery Series

Keeping with current events, the Bristol Public Library would like to announce the first speaker of the 2012 Discovery Series, Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway. The event will be held on Thursday, March 22nd at 7 p.m. Holloway talks about hope, courage in sheer adversity, and travel safety. The purchase of a $50 ticket will support Library programs and will provide the ticketholder with access to the Private Meet & Greet at 6p.m., reserved seating to the public presentation at 7p.m., and a complimentary copy of Beth Holloway’s book Loving Natalee. All other seats are free general admission. Tickets and seating are limited. For questions about this Discovery Series event or any other library programs, call 276.821.6148 or email marketing@bristol-library.org.

Her presentation to the public is set to begin at 7 p.m. in the J. Henry Kegley Meeting Room. She will speak, answer questions and sign books during this time.

http://www.believeinbristol.org/blog.php?id=880


BRISTOL PUBLIC LIBRARY DISCOVERY SERIES SPEAKER, BETH HOLLOWAY

Contact: Bristol Public Library, Marketing Director Sarah Hutchinson
Phone: 276-821-6148
E-mail: marketing@bristol-library.org
URL: www.bristol-library.org

http://visitbristoltnva.net/events/details/bristol-public-library-discovery-series-speaker-beth-holloway/1233


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2012, 07:04:09 PM

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 15, 2012, 10:30:54 PM

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                            ::justice2NJ::   :smt060   ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 15, 2012, 10:33:53 PM
Thanks Graceland for these 2 new articles.

I like that Joran has not been able to work or study at Piedras Gordas.  No reduced time earned yet!!   ::MonkeyGavel::

You're welcome, jamcakes!   ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 16, 2012, 08:05:29 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 16, 2012, 10:14:58 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

It doesn't matter how much money they get, it won't guarantee extradition.  IMO it's probably just a scheme to put more money in Joran's hands to buy perks/privileges while he's in prison in Peru.

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/43363-a-crea-fundacion-pa-yuda-extradita-joran-van-der-sloot-pa-hulanda.html

Papiamentu translation:

owing to crea fundacion for help extradita joran van der sloot for the netherlands

thursday, 16 february 2012 08:34

after of owing to happen door of one huicio cu owing to conden’e at 28 year of castigo for dead of the peruana stephany flores y also cu the shade of the desaparicion of natalee holloway colga on his cabez, have one are cu owing to arise y owing to calling they self joran van der sloot extradition fund, for so recauda fondo for so pay the gobierno peruvian for extradita joran van der sloot for of peru for the netherlands.

already today morning early they owing to saca one press release for several medio of comunicacion, entidadnan caritativo y also ciudadanonan priva rond world, for so they contribui for arrive at one aim of $500.000 for pay the gobierno y also another oficialnan for his extradicion y have one date boundary, cu is day 1 of april, 2012. awo if this is one joke for her date here, we will have cu look at.

the are here is ask for everybody place hand at they curason for so help joran, that have ptsd, for so the achieve cuido medico, psikiatrico y of rehabilitacion cu the have have to at the netherlands.

the comunicado of prensa is continua.

“hulanda will provee cuido psicologico as anger management, resolucion of conflicto y educacion of violencia domestico.

misericordia y compasion: can please give one hand at joran y dune one oportunidad for her can rehabilita in his country natal, the netherlands. please give misericordia at joran, that wanted fix y wanted bay more far of is the tereotipo y become his “authentic self”. joran is sufriendo. can please, as compasion for her young here of 24 year.

potencial: joran have the potencial for become one leader in we society modern. the young here is super intelligent, the is one good conversasionalista, the is multi lingue, the can write super good, the like talk of eventonan actual, the like write relato, etc.

100% of all contribucion will bay for her fondo of extradicion of joran. privacidad of contribuidonan will wordo honor. informacion generico of the fondo of extradicion will is available for publico for revision.

conclusion: for her audiencia mundial, can please, contribui at the fondo of extradicion of joran for transferi joran for of peru for the netherlands. can please achieve in do you curason for help the young here, that is sufriendo y wanted desaroya.

informacion of contacto: if do you wanted contribui at the fondo of extradicion of joran van der sloot for of peru for the netherlands, can please send e-mail na: hamer news @ comcast.net”. (I intentionally broke that link)

comentarionan (13) mustra/kita comentarionan come across...

scirbi for tinpu, february 16, 2012
what? as compasion? then that will as compasion cu famianan of stephany flores y posibelmente of natalee holloway? this guy is owing to serial killer lage putrefy in jail at peru +5 come across...

scirbi for realmockoy, february 16, 2012
the person they what do not earnest?con could you bay crea anything so for a cu owing to comete homocidio??ayno foei om... +4 come across...

scirbi for marije zwietstranl, february 16, 2012
porfabor not trece he here the netherlands, mandele using of trip for her go follow abide yonder near come across!! i not have niun kind of compasion for her asesesino here y niether my not have think of saca niun sent for of my cartera for juda the burdugo here. i am juda person right cu have have to, y not one matado...!! hahahahaha awo cu cayente owing to coi his curpa the wanted huy come the netherlands. go fliet omh +4 come across...

scirbi for cry baby, february 16, 2012
one is you child ela kill. lage is so for look at if you will happen hand at you curason ohm!! ela burn his behind, the sit on his blaarnan at peru self! the stay leeuw of madre country. shonnan come bij mano! +4 come across...

scirbi for tacostin, february 16, 2012
wait for the is one joke +3 come across...

scirbi for maurizio, february 16, 2012
wait for jun person not make jun contribucion then let the abide at peru for 28 ana, that owing to mande kill peruana stephany flores, then give aruba one bad name cu desaparicion of natalee holloway. +4 come across...

scirbi for asm, february 16, 2012
let my tume because; one joke! because esnan behind the fundacion here as is self difficult cu v.d. sloot or they're pretende of earn coin facil. i assure will not saca neither one cent black for her person here!!! they have curashi. ask is as misericordia y compasion pe. acaso the was tine hour ela dicidi of kill the two child muhernan???? the was have all cos at his alcanse, good family, good educacion. ela skoge for throw they afor!! ela destrui his family, then now the wanted fix??? let is take person make!!!! +3 come across...

scirbi for tralala, february 16, 2012
must occasion owing to joke. +2 come across...

scirbi for damocles, february 16, 2012
con can have person loco on the world here cu wanted pay for her murderer here go sit his castigo at the netherlands, gobierno of peru have to deny, then lage putrefy in jail at peru. +3 come across...

scirbi for y, february 16, 2012
hahahaha as hold compasion y misericordia???? acaso the twt tine for cu the two young cu ela kill y they family??? i will contribui assure at the fondonan but pe achieve 28 anja more +3 come across...

scirbi for qwerty123, february 16, 2012
there are millions or citicens or the world that are suffering each and everyday, and they have never hurt or killed anyone. where is your support and heart for those people? and now you want to help someone that killed for sure one person in order for him to become owing to leader in the future? you have to occasion shi**ing me. he deserves to occasion in jail in peru. help the regal suffering and innocence in the world!!!! +3 come across...

scirbi for donna croes, february 16, 2012
con my can of contrubi...mi will wanted of place 10 guilder in pot. -2 come across...

scirbi for de todo one some, february 16, 2012
multi lingue esey my do not believe but multy killer if then kill person inocente come across... is crazy the hendenan here is?? wel lage bay live close of the hendenan here y lage kill they yuinan y family then waak if still they have pity of dje....manera they're tell lage putrefy in jail at peru y forget cu the tey y lage leave hour world end the hour ey not have person more for her kill. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 16, 2012, 10:28:10 PM
Yep, looks like Mary Hamer's at it again...IF she ever skipped a beat!   ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.prlog.org/11800398-joran-van-der-sloot-extradition-fund-to-the-netherlands.html

Joran Van der Sloot Extradition Fund to the Netherlands.

Please contribute to the Joran Van der Sloot Extradition Fund for Joran's transfer from Peru to the Netherlands.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

PRLog (Press Release) - Feb 16, 2012 -

EXTRADITION FUND:  To the Media, charities & private citizens, Please contribute to the Joran Van der Sloot Extradition Fund for the transfer of Joran from Peru to his native country, the Netherlands.  The goal is to collect $500,000. -- to pay the Peruvian government & other officials for this Extradition -- by April 1, 2012. 

MEDICAL CARE:  Please find it in your hearts to help this young man with PTSD -- to get the Medical, Psychiatric & Rehabiliatation care he needs in the Netherlands.  The Netherlands will also provide Psychological care such as Anger management, Conflict resolution & Domestic violence education.

MERCY & COMPASSION:  Please give a helping hand to Joran & give him a chance to rehabilitate in his home country in the Netherlands.  Please have mercy on Joran -- who wants to improve & move beyond the thereotypes to become his authentic self.  Joran is suffering.  Please have compassion for this 24 year old.

POTENTIAL:  Joran has the potential to become a leader in our modern society.  This young man is highly intelligent, he is a good conversationalist, he is multi-lingual, he is well read, he likes to talk about current events, he likes to write essays. etc..

RECORDS:  100% of contributions will go to Joran's Extradition Fund.  The privacy of contributors will be honored.  The generic extradition fund data will be available to the public for review.

 ::snipping2::


Namaste.  Salaam.  Shalom.  Peace.   
Thank you.  Respectfully & Humbly,  Earth News.

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 16, 2012, 10:30:57 PM
Looks like anyone can issue a press release at that site for free!   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Where's Carpe?   ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 16, 2012, 11:51:09 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/bethandnatalee_01-1.jpg)


Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 16, 2012, 11:57:56 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06132011_Stephanyandhermom-1-1.jpg)

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 17, 2012, 08:21:40 AM
It sounds like they are trying to raise $0.5 million to bribe the gov't to extradite Joran to the NL or as someone suggested to buy Joran perks.

Since they seem to think the gov't can be bought, I'm hoping Mr Flores and those interested in justice can block/expose this bribe!

Mary Hamer - how come no publicity for the Iranian American or Texan like you do for Joran?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: cadillac on February 17, 2012, 08:30:35 AM
Yep, looks like Mary Hamer's at it again...IF she ever skipped a beat!   ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.prlog.org/11800398-joran-van-der-sloot-extradition-fund-to-the-netherlands.html

Joran Van der Sloot Extradition Fund to the Netherlands.

Please contribute to the Joran Van der Sloot Extradition Fund for Joran's transfer from Peru to the Netherlands.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

PRLog (Press Release) - Feb 16, 2012 -

EXTRADITION FUND:  To the Media, charities & private citizens, Please contribute to the Joran Van der Sloot Extradition Fund for the transfer of Joran from Peru to his native country, the Netherlands.  The goal is to collect $500,000. -- to pay the Peruvian government & other officials for this Extradition -- by April 1, 2012. 

MEDICAL CARE:  Please find it in your hearts to help this young man with PTSD -- to get the Medical, Psychiatric & Rehabiliatation care he needs in the Netherlands.  The Netherlands will also provide Psychological care such as Anger management, Conflict resolution & Domestic violence education.

MERCY & COMPASSION:  Please give a helping hand to Joran & give him a chance to rehabilitate in his home country in the Netherlands.  Please have mercy on Joran -- who wants to improve & move beyond the thereotypes to become his authentic self.  Joran is suffering.  Please have compassion for this 24 year old.

POTENTIAL:  Joran has the potential to become a leader in our modern society.  This young man is highly intelligent, he is a good conversationalist, he is multi-lingual, he is well read, he likes to talk about current events, he likes to write essays. etc..

RECORDS:  100% of contributions will go to Joran's Extradition Fund.  The privacy of contributors will be honored.  The generic extradition fund data will be available to the public for review.

 ::snipping2::


Namaste.  Salaam.  Shalom.  Peace.   
Thank you.  Respectfully & Humbly,  Earth News.

Contact Email      :    ***@comcast.net
Issued By      :   Earth News.
City/Town      :   Lake City
State/Province      :   Florida
Country      :   United States
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His "authentic self"???? Haven't we already seen his "authentic self"?

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: antunym on February 17, 2012, 11:04:09 AM
Yeah sure!! Like Joran helped by telling Beth where Natalee was when she so bravely went face to face with him at the prison to get info to bring her daughter home.  This man needs to rot right there where he is.  He doesn't show Beth, Natalee's family, nor her friends any mercy so he deserves none.  He's not going to the Netherlands... He's coming here to the United States to face extortion charges next.  How pathetic this lady Mary Hamer is thats trying to help him.  GTFOH


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 17, 2012, 12:39:17 PM

http://www.prlog.org/11800398-joran-van-der-sloot-extradition-fund-to-the-netherlands.html

Joran Van der Sloot Extradition Fund to the Netherlands.

Please contribute to the Joran Van der Sloot Extradition Fund for Joran's transfer from Peru to the Netherlands.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

PRLog (Press Release) - Feb 16, 2012 -

EXTRADITION FUND:  To the Media, charities & private citizens, Please contribute to the Joran Van der Sloot Extradition Fund for the transfer of Joran from Peru to his native country, the Netherlands.  The goal is to collect $500,000. -- to pay the Peruvian government & other officials for this Extradition -- by April 1, 2012. 

MEDICAL CARE:  Please find it in your hearts to help this young man with PTSD -- to get the Medical, Psychiatric & Rehabiliatation care he needs in the Netherlands.  The Netherlands will also provide Psychological care such as Anger management, Conflict resolution & Domestic violence education.

MERCY & COMPASSION:  Please give a helping hand to Joran & give him a chance to rehabilitate in his home country in the Netherlands.  Please have mercy on Joran -- who wants to improve & move beyond the thereotypes to become his authentic self.  Joran is suffering.  Please have compassion for this 24 year old.

POTENTIAL:  Joran has the potential to become a leader in our modern society.  This young man is highly intelligent, he is a good conversationalist, he is multi-lingual, he is well read, he likes to talk about current events, he likes to write essays. etc..

RECORDS:  100% of contributions will go to Joran's Extradition Fund.  The privacy of contributors will be honored.  The generic extradition fund data will be available to the public for review.

 ::snipping2::


Leader to who and leader of what?  Psycho/Sociopath of the World Club? Future Serial Murderers Club? where the only requirement is to have killed your family pet?

He should rot in jail and become the leader of the Bend-over Boy's Club!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 17, 2012, 07:59:09 PM
Yep, looks like Mary Hamer's at it again...IF she ever skipped a beat!   ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.prlog.org/11800398-joran-van-der-sloot-extradition-fund-to-the-netherlands.html

Joran Van der Sloot Extradition Fund to the Netherlands.

Please contribute to the Joran Van der Sloot Extradition Fund for Joran's transfer from Peru to the Netherlands.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

PRLog (Press Release) - Feb 16, 2012 -

EXTRADITION FUND:  To the Media, charities & private citizens, Please contribute to the Joran Van der Sloot Extradition Fund for the transfer of Joran from Peru to his native country, the Netherlands.  The goal is to collect $500,000. -- to pay the Peruvian government & other officials for this Extradition -- by April 1, 2012. 

MEDICAL CARE:  Please find it in your hearts to help this young man with PTSD -- to get the Medical, Psychiatric & Rehabiliatation care he needs in the Netherlands.  The Netherlands will also provide Psychological care such as Anger management, Conflict resolution & Domestic violence education.

MERCY & COMPASSION:  Please give a helping hand to Joran & give him a chance to rehabilitate in his home country in the Netherlands.  Please have mercy on Joran -- who wants to improve & move beyond the thereotypes to become his authentic self.  Joran is suffering.  Please have compassion for this 24 year old.

POTENTIAL:  Joran has the potential to become a leader in our modern society.  This young man is highly intelligent, he is a good conversationalist, he is multi-lingual, he is well read, he likes to talk about current events, he likes to write essays. etc..

RECORDS:  100% of contributions will go to Joran's Extradition Fund.  The privacy of contributors will be honored.  The generic extradition fund data will be available to the public for review.

 ::snipping2::


Namaste.  Salaam.  Shalom.  Peace.   
Thank you.  Respectfully & Humbly,  Earth News.

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She's a freak

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy)

Theodore Robert "Ted" Bundy (born Theodore Robert Cowell; November 24, 1946 – January 24, 1989) was an American serial killer, rapist, kidnapper, and necrophile who assaulted and murdered numerous young women during the 1970s, and possibly earlier. After more than a decade of denials, he confessed shortly before his execution to 30 homicides committed in seven states between 1974 and 1978; the true total remains unknown, and could be much higher.

Bundy was regarded as handsome and charismatic by his young female victims, traits he exploited in winning their confidence. He typically approached them in public places and feigned injury or disability, or impersonated an authority figure, before overpowering and assaulting them at a more secluded location. He sometimes revisited his secondary crime scenes for hours at a time, grooming and performing sexual acts with the decomposing corpses until putrefaction and destruction by wild animals made further interaction impossible. He decapitated at least twelve victims and kept some of the severed heads in his apartment for a period of time as mementos. On a few occasions he simply broke into dwellings in the dead of night and bludgeoned victims as they slept.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 17, 2012, 08:50:20 PM
I agree Klaas!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 18, 2012, 12:27:21 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::  Not that it matters but I really hate the new RU forum format ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 18, 2012, 12:54:46 AM
Interesting...


https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp (https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp)

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

03/02/2012 at 09:00 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Trial Setting Conference

04/18/2012 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 4-23-2012)

04/23/2012 at 08:33 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)


Last document filed...not available yet

Documents Filed (Filing dates listed in descending order)

Click on any of the below link(s) to see documents filed on or before the date indicated:
09/20/2011   04/05/2011   11/17/2010   01/13/2010   06/03/2009   10/06/2008   02/15/2008   08/17/2007   02/01/2007   

02/15/2012 OSC-Failure to File Default Judg
Filed by Clerk


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: cecilita on February 18, 2012, 02:33:30 AM
He has to collet lots of money to buy a lot of liquid soup  ::CowboySmiley::In Peru there is a lot of corruption like everywhere but a corrupted person will not accept any money because they will not be able to live with the embarrassment that it can cause in their carrears. We do not have to be worried about the monster living prison soon. I only want him to go to san juan de lurigancho the worst prison in Lima ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 18, 2012, 08:49:11 AM
He has to collet lots of money to buy a lot of liquid soup  ::CowboySmiley::In Peru there is a lot of corruption like everywhere but a corrupted person will not accept any money because they will not be able to live with the embarrassment that it can cause in their carrears. We do not have to be worried about the monster living prison soon. I only want him to go to san juan de lurigancho the worst prison in Lima ::boxingjoran::

 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on February 18, 2012, 09:43:32 AM
I keep waiting for a cell phone pic of Urine to hit the news.  I think donations for one of those would be more popular. 
 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 18, 2012, 10:32:31 AM
Interesting...


https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp (https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp)

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

03/02/2012 at 09:00 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Trial Setting Conference

04/18/2012 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 4-23-2012)

04/23/2012 at 08:33 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)


Last document filed...not available yet

Documents Filed (Filing dates listed in descending order)

Click on any of the below link(s) to see documents filed on or before the date indicated:
09/20/2011   04/05/2011   11/17/2010   01/13/2010   06/03/2009   10/06/2008   02/15/2008   08/17/2007   02/01/2007   

02/15/2012 OSC-Failure to File Default Judg
Filed by Clerk


Thanks Klaas!

Any idea what it means?   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 18, 2012, 01:33:14 PM
Nope  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Ono on February 18, 2012, 02:15:42 PM
Nope  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 18, 2012, 05:26:49 PM
Thanks for the reminder Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 18, 2012, 05:27:44 PM
5K Fun Run/Walk

We all remember the tragedy when Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba on her high school trip in 2005.  Everyone in America shared the pain of Natalee’s family.  Her mother, Ms. Beth Holloway, channeled her grief into helping other families looking for their missing children by establishing the Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC) to assist families and to raise awareness among teenagers about the dangers of international travel.

Augusta Prep is hosting a 5K Fun Run/Walk – “Running for Justice – Natalee Holloway 5K” to raise money to contribute to this great cause.  We will donate 100% of the proceeds to the NHRC.  The 5K is scheduled for Saturday, February 25th, 2012, at 10:00am, on the Augusta Prep cross-country trail.  We are combining our passion for running with our desire to help this great cause and to raise awareness in our community about safe international travel.

To make this event more meaningful than we ever could by ourselves, Natalee’s mother is going to join us!!  She’ll take part in the 5K run/walk, and she’ll speak to our student body and parents the day before.  This is going to make the event very exciting!  Our goal is to have as many runners as possible in the 5K.  To register, go to www.augustaprep.org/5k.  The cost is $20 per runner…again, all proceeds go to the Foundation.
 
We are asking for your help in sponsoring the 5K.  Sponsors are people who donate to the run, and, therefore, to this worthy cause.  The sponsor levels are listed below.  We hope we can count on you to sponsor by goods, services, or a simple donation.  We appreciate your support more than you can know.

Thank you for your help!
Maggie McLeod, Senior, Augusta Prep
Amanda Murphy, Junior, Augusta Prep

<snipped>

For more details and information email:  maggiemoo1050@aol.com

http://www.augustaprep.org/page.cfm?p=781


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 18, 2012, 05:30:52 PM
Forever Natalee's Mom

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Preface


I'm the parent who got the dreaded call.  The parent no one wants to be.  The one whose phone rang out of the blue in the middle of the day, and the voice on the other end said, "Your daughter is missing."  I'm that desperate mother on TV holding up pictures of her missing child, pleading for help, describing the details surrounding an unthinkable crime.  My daughter is Natalee Holloway.  She disappeared in Aruba on the last night of her senior-high graduation trip in 2005 and hasn't been seen since.  I never imagined that would be "that parent," living an endless nightmare in front of the whole world.  But was, and I still am, because I will always search for her.  I will forever be Natalee's mom.

 :smt060



(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 18, 2012, 06:37:54 PM
Nope  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 19, 2012, 12:41:24 AM
http://newstimes.augusta.com/sports/2012-02-19/augusta-prep-students-organize-5k-race-for-a-cause

Augusta Prep students organize 5K race for a cause

Posted: February 19, 2012 - 12:10am

By Scott Rouch Staff Writer

Augusta Prep students are coming together to run for a cause with the Running for Justice/Natalee Holloway 5K at 10 a.m. Saturday.

The race, to be run on Augusta Prep’s cross country trail, is the brainchild of cross country runners Maggie McCloud and junior Amanda Murphy.

“Over the summer, Amanda and I thought we should do a race and raise money, and it hit me one day,” said McCloud, who is a senior at Augusta Prep. “We talked to Coach (Tom) Holodak ... and he was all for it.”.

In May 2005, Holloway was on a five-day post-graduation trip to Aruba with classmates from Mountain Brook High School in Birmingham, Ala. She disappeared and was presumed dead, but her body was never found. In January, an Alabama judge declared her legally dead.

McCloud watched media coverage of the police investigation with her mother that summer in Alabama and it stuck with her.

“We want to raise awareness of international travel, because we’re at the age where we love to travel abroad,” McCloud said. “We want people to know what to do and avoid what happened to Natalee.”

The cost of the race is $20. All proceeds benefit to the Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC).

Holloway’s mother, Beth, and the National Museum of Crime and Punishment partnered to form the NHRC in June 2010. The organization focuses on educational programs and includes a traveling safe program. It also provides assistance to families of missing persons. The site is at www.crimemuseum.org.

McCloud contacted Beth Holloway through the NHRC, and she plans to compete in the race and is scheduled to speak to upper school students Friday afternoon.

“She might say a few words before the race, but she’s just here to run,” McCloud said.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 19, 2012, 08:07:13 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3189421/2012/02/19/Gevangenis-met-Joran-van-der-Sloot-moet-sluiten.dhtml

'Prison where Joran was stuck to close'
Sunday, February 19, 2012

The infamous Peruvian Castro Castro prison where Joran was trapped for a time, to close. That is the board of the district of San Juan de Lurigancho, where the prison is situated. Also 300 organizations and institutions find that the jail in Lima to close.

Peruvian media reports said today.

The Luriganchogevangenis, which lies in the same district, according to the board shut down. Reason is that both prisons in poor condition and that the fire risk is high. There are also regular revolts of detainees, there is much crime within the prisons and prisoners escape regularly.

The mayor of the district now has the district received the order to the closure of the prison to set in motion by the government and correctional institute INPE.

Van der Sloot, was sentenced to 28 years in prison for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores, is currently in prison Piedras Gordas, in the extreme north of Lima. The INPE placed him on shortly after the Peruvian television pictures exceptions which would see him in the Castro Castro Prison had an iPhone and a large TV.

Meanwhile, his lawyer Jose Jimenez at INPE requested that Van der Sloot to return to the Castro Castro Prison.  ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 19, 2012, 08:17:07 PM
http://www.powned.tv/nieuws/buitenland/2012/02/lima_wil_castro_castro_sluiten.html

Google translation

February 19 2012-23:59
Peru wants to close Castro Castro

The district of Lima in Peru wants the Castro Castro prison closing. The prison in the Netherlands is best known as Joran for a long time has been fixed.

Another prison in Lima, the Luriganchogevangenis, according to the board of the district of San Juan de Lurigancho even close. Reason is that both prisons in poor condition and that the fire risk is high.  ::snipping2::

Joran am now in the Piedras Gordas, in the extreme north of Lima. He was transferred after the Peruvian television pictures exceptions which would see him in the Castro Castro Prison had an iPhone and a large TV. Joran wants to return to the Castro Castro prison but now that probably will be closed, it seems that there was no way.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 19, 2012, 08:32:54 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1376561/noticia-municipio-sjl-plantea-cierre-penales-san-pedro-castro-castro

Google translation

Township proposes closing criminal SJL San Pedro and Castro Castro
The Council agreed to initiate this commune efforts to eradicate such prisons in their jurisdiction

Sunday February 19, 2012

The City of San Juan de Lurigancho declared priority need to close and eliminate the criminal district San Pedro (Ex Lurigancho) and Miguel Castro Castro, so that authorized the Mayor Carlos Burgos to initiate the necessary procedures with the president Ollanta Humala and other competent authorities.

Among the recitals to this decision, indicated that over the years there have been leaks, brawls, riots and crimes of inmates and visitors.

Furthermore, these prisons are located in an urban district, while also being overcrowded and not relying on the infrastructure.

In this regard, the district said that all this creates "insecurity, anxiety, fear and bad image" in the district, affecting neighbors, inmates and prison staff.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 19, 2012, 08:47:23 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/peru/1376569/noticia-tres-mil-policias-buscan-17-reos-que-fugaron-challapalca

Google translation

Three thousand police looking for the 17 inmates who escaped from Challapalca
Sunday February 19, 2012

 ::snipping2::

Three thousand police officers are currently engaged in the search for dangerous inmates who escaped 17 between 2 am and 3 pm on maximum security prison Challapalca on the border of Puno and Tacna.

The director of the National Police of Peru (PNP), Raul Salazar, said it has tightened security in border areas of the southern region, including Tacna, Moquegua, Puno, Cusco, Apurimac, Moquegua, Ica and Ayacucho.

He indicated that a special team of Lima will join the search operation. In this regard, said police will make every effort to recapture the fugitives.

He said photographs of fugitive offenders will be released nationwide to find her whereabouts.

"The urge you to surrender peacefully to the police, because in any case we will locate and recapture," he said on Channel N.

Meanwhile, police in Bolivia strengthened the control on the border with our country, told RPP government minister from the neighboring nation, Carlos Romero.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 19, 2012, 08:57:22 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/peru/1376617/noticia-fuga-challapalca-agentes-agredidos-reos-estan-bien-salud

Google translation

Drain Challapalca: agents are assaulted by inmates in good health
The INPE announced that it will take measures to strengthen the security of the facility and investigate the flight
Sunday February 19, 2012 - 05:39 pm

The National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) reported that the three security agents Challapalca who were beaten during the escape of 17 prisoners this morning are in good health.

For his escape, dangerous inmates took hostages, seized three guns and three rifles breech MGP, and injured three prison officers, detailed earlier INPE.

 ::snipping2::

 Meanwhile, the head of INPE, José Luis Pérez Guadalupe, goes to the same detention center for inspection.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 20, 2012, 01:20:08 AM
http://www.larepublica.pe/19-02-2012/cinco-de-los-delincuentes-fugados-del-penal-de-challapalca-fueron-capturados-afirman

Google translation

Five of the offenders escaped the Challapalca were captured, say
Sunday, February 19, 2012

Five of the seventeen inmates escaped from the prison of Challapalca, located between the borders of Puno and Tacna, were captured by police, reported RPP News a few minutes ago. So far has not been given the names of the prisoners.

According to RPP, criminals were on board of a truck. They have been caught in the area of Palca and Tripartite police sources said.

Meanwhile, indicated that the second truck in which they find the other inmates has been acorralad.
 ::snipping2::
-------------------------

The prison has about 127 prisoners and 13 guards on a shift; the prisoners took guns and vehicles--leaving the guards without weapons or vehicles.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 20, 2012, 02:01:55 AM
Here's the article on how the prisoners had escaped.

http://elcomercio.pe/peru/1376584/noticia-fuga-challapalca-paso-paso-segun-inpe

Google translation

 ::snipping2::
Challapalca drain step by step, according to INPE
After taking of hostages and wounding three security personnel, group seized 6 firearms to force him out. Outside, two vehicles waiting
Sunday February 19, 2012

The head of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE), José Luis Pérez Guadalupe, said this afternoon on Canal N that inmates who escaped this morning from Challapalca in Puno, staff shortages and infrastructure on site, which are trying to fix in recent months.

After the flight last year in the same jail, before the start of his administration, said that strengthened controls at nearby booths. However, the criminal and not sent more inmates because, despite having the capacity to 240 and is occupied only 129, that security is provided by INPE 13 workers can not provide the guarantees necessary to increase the population prisons.

A statement released this afternoon by INPE indicates that the internal group "surprised prison guards" and took hostages, three arms and three retrocargas mgp. After that, they forced their way out. Outside, two vehicles were waiting.

The PNP ordered the immediate closure of borders in Puno, Tacna and Arequipa, where police were armed groups to cooperate with the investigation. Forty INPE security forces joined the staff of Challapalca today for improving safety there.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on February 20, 2012, 09:30:41 AM
Photo's of the escapee's - glad no photo of the monster

http://www.larepublica.pe/19-02-2012/fotos-estos-son-los-delincuentes-que-escaparon-del-penal-de-challapalca#foto1 (http://www.larepublica.pe/19-02-2012/fotos-estos-son-los-delincuentes-que-escaparon-del-penal-de-challapalca#foto1)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: can on February 20, 2012, 09:58:45 AM
Photo's of the escapee's - glad no photo of the monster

http://www.larepublica.pe/19-02-2012/fotos-estos-son-los-delincuentes-que-escaparon-del-penal-de-challapalca#foto1 (http://www.larepublica.pe/19-02-2012/fotos-estos-son-los-delincuentes-que-escaparon-del-penal-de-challapalca#foto1)

that's for sure Klaas!  Bet he wishes he were among them.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 20, 2012, 10:42:54 AM
Possible shark attack at Rodgers Beach

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/Robyn%20Gardner/02182012_AweMainta_RodgersBeach_Shark.jpg)

Awe Mainta February 18, 2012

Page 10

Papiamentu translation:

police y kustwacht investigando possible atake of tiburon (shark) at rodgers beach

disabra nightfall owing to enter informe of possible presencia y atake of one tiburon (shark) in rodgers beach, owing to dirigi police y kustwacht at the sitio. at the sitio the informa here owing to being teni ultra secreto y none person eynan wanted owing to tell or informa kico was pasando.

http://www.awe24.com/9825

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/9825/1_1329436561.jpg)

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/9825/2_1329436561.jpg)

police y kustwacht investigando possible atake of tiburon at rodgers beach

3 day happen come across, 16 of feburary 2012 16:34

saturday nightfall owing to enter informe of possible presencia y atake of one tiburon in rodgers beach, at once owing to dirigi tanto police y kustwacht at the sitio. at the sitio the informa here owing to seer teni ultra secreto y none person eynan wanted owing to tell or informa what was pasando. we will follow informa.




Yeah, come on in the water is fine!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Anna on February 20, 2012, 11:13:58 AM

Yep, no sharks here!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yet everybody knew where to old meat scrap dumping ground was and where the non-existent sharks hung out.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Anna on February 20, 2012, 11:14:45 AM
Even those escapees don't look as evil as Joran does now.  Sebastian either.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 20, 2012, 11:43:23 AM
Thanks everybody for the news out of Peru and Aruba.

Prison closings, prison breaks, shark attacks.

How about they eliminate the problem of what to do with Joran, and just feed him to the sharks?  Oh nevermind, the sharks would probably refuse to eat Joran!


(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/PGcorrdor.jpg)

A corridor at Piedras Gordas.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 20, 2012, 11:53:23 AM
NHRC Fundraiser Events
 
"After experiencing the abduction and murder of my son, I know the incredible pain that a loss like this brings, and so I commend Beth for channeling her pain into something positive and creating this foundation in conjunction with the National Museum of Crime and Punishment. It is my sincere hope that Beth and her family will get justice in Natalee's case. I always say that one person can make a difference. This foundation, in Natalee's memory and honor, will help protect other young adults from danger." - John Walsh

Running For Justice, Hosted by Maggie and Amanda

Come to Augusta Preparatory Day School, located in August, Georgia, for a 5k run. 100% of the proceeds go to the NHRC!

When: Saturday, February 25th
Donation: Entrance fee of $20 includes a t-shirt!
Registration Deadline: Saturday, February 11th.

*Beth Holloway will be speaking on Friday, February 24th at 2:30pm

REGISTER NOW as space is limited!

If you can't attend the run, but would still like to donate:

Read More:
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC_events



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 20, 2012, 12:40:13 PM
"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Beth Holloway - May, 2010


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 20, 2012, 01:17:45 PM
"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Beth Holloway - May, 2010



Vanished With Beth Holloway Episodes

Episode 10: "Baum/Hill"

Premiered July 25 at 11/10c: Set in McCleary, WA and Atlanta, GA. Beth helps search for a 10-year-old girl who vanished while walking home from a friend’s house; later she meets a heroic mother whose tenacity helped bring her daughter’s killer to justice.

Episode 9: "Desir/Smart"
Premiered July 18 at 10/9c: Set in Omakalee, FL and San Louis Obispo, CA. Beth meets with one family desperately searching for their special needs child, and another family trying to find a daughter who disappeared more than 15 years ago.

Episode 8: "Kyle Fleischmann/Rivazfar"
Premiered July 11 at 10/9c: Set in Charlotte, NC and Pensacola, FL. Beth examines the story of a recent college graduate who went missing after a night out with his friends; she also visits with a young woman who shares the harrowing story of the kidnapping she and her sister endured as children.

Episode 7: "Imbo-Petrone/Gosch/Berrelez Tips"
Premiered June 27 at 10/9c: Set in Philadelphia, West Des Moines, and Denver. Beth delves into three cold missing person's cases – a couple who vanished from the streets of downtown Philly, a teenage paperboy who became the first milk carton kid, and a little girl who loses her life but leaves behind a legacy of hope.
 
Episode 6: "Kopetsky/Ross"
Premiered June 20 at 10/9c: Set in Belton, MO and Chicago. Beth talks to the family of a teen who left for school one day, never to return home. The mystery deepens when investigators learn a missing persons report was filed days before her actual disappearance. The series also follows the story of a young man who vanished without a trace while on a school trip to Chicago.

Episode 5: "Figueroa/Duckett"
Premiered June 13 at 10/9c: Set in Philadelphia and Leesburg, FL. Beth looks into a case in which a young pregnant woman vanishes from the streets of Philadelphia and the City of Brotherly Love comes together to bring her captor to justice. The second case involves a toddler's abduction, which galvanizes a community.

Episode 4: "Kesse/Bible and Freeman"
Premiered May 30 at 10/9c: Set in Orlando and Welch, OK. Beth investigates a case in which a 24-year-old warned her father of a suspicious character and the worst is assumed when she goes missing and only her abandoned car is found. The episode also takes a look at a case in which authorities realize a tragic fire was no accident after two people are found murdered and two teenage girls involved go missing.

Episode 3: "Bradley"
Premiered May 23 at 10/9c: Set in Curacao. Beth investigates a case where a young woman vanishes off the deck of a cruise ship. In their search for answers, her parents stumble across what appears to be an international sex slave operation.

Episode 2: "Lunsford/Grinstead"
Premiered May 16 at 10/9c: Set in Homosassa, FL and Ocilla, GA. Viewers meet the family of a 9-year-old girl who went missing from her Florida home and her father embarks on a journey to clear his family name and bring a killer to justice. Additionally, Beth visits the loved ones of a high school teacher and former beauty queen who vanished from her home late one night.

Episode 1: "Holloway/McStay"
Premiered May 9 at 10/9c: Set in Aruba and Fallbrook, CA. Host Beth Holloway shares her journey to find answers about her missing daughter Natalee and begins her quest to help families with loved ones who have vanished without a trace. The episode also introduces a California family of four, the McStays, who all suddenly vanished without a trace.

http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/vanished-with-beth-holloway/episode-tips


Lifetime Natalee Holloway Movies

“Natalee Holloway”
http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway

"Justice for Natalee Holloway"
http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/justice-for-natalee-holloway/about






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 20, 2012, 02:07:30 PM
Another tourist drowns.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

If I understand it correctly, he may have been floating for a while...

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/43518-turista-di-trinidad-a-hoga-na-tamarijn.html

Papiamentu translation:

tourist of trinidad owing to hoga at tamarijn

monday, 20 february 2012 09:52

ambulance y police owing to bay cu urgencia for tamarijn hotel for one caso of hogamento where the victima not was reaciona. at arrival of ambulance berdad the person not was reacciona y at once owing to cuminsa cu cpr on the victima man. is deal of one adult cu is of vacacion at aruba. esnan cu owing to achieve seems tell cu the was have enough rato in water is drief. for hour they owing to core sake already end was one some late. so self cu reanimacion owing to hibe hospital where more bien doctor owing to constata dead. peace at his restonan. one funeraria owing to present y owing to take away the curpa pendiente familiarnan cu have to take care of dje. the tourist owing to come aruba of trinidad y was together cu his casa. one child y also the casa of the child was present gozando of one vacacion cu owing to come termina in one dolo for her family.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.feb.19.hoga.DSC_0400.JPG)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.feb.19.hoga.DSC_0415.JPG)


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Post by: Tibrogargan on February 21, 2012, 03:31:49 AM
Aruba could add another motto to their travel advertising :

"I see dead people"

 ::MonkeyMad::


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Post by: Kat_Gram on February 21, 2012, 02:10:09 PM
Aruba could add another motto to their travel advertising :

"I see dead people"

 ::MonkeyMad::
tee hee good one.


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Post by: grace-land on February 21, 2012, 05:51:38 PM
http://www.larepublica.pe/21-02-2012/congresista-por-tacna-pide-el-cierre-del-penal-de-challapalca

Google translation

Congressman calls for the closure of Tacna Challapalca
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 | 11:32 a.m.

 ::snipping2::
The congressman from Tacna, John Pari Choquecota urging said closure Challapalca because there is no evidence that the logistics to accommodate highly dangerous criminals.

In Pari public statement said that the only thing that generates this is that criminal gangs are moving towards the south of the country, specifically to the regions of Tacna and Puno, making them extremely dangerous places for the population.

"The prison has been the pretext for the expansion of crime from the capital to other regions. Today Tacna is one of the regions with the highest crime rate in the presence of these criminals, "charged the senator.


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Post by: klaasend on February 21, 2012, 07:55:15 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight at 9pm ET:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Pretzer022112.jpg)


Click on the link below to listen!

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


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Post by: grace-land on February 21, 2012, 11:25:31 PM
Photo of inside of Challapalca at link.

http://www.larepublica.pe/21-02-2012/agentes-del-inpe-recibieron-soborno-para-permitir-fuga-de-reos

Google translation

Tacna: INPE agents did receive a bribe to allow escape of 17 prisoners
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 | 6:51 pm

President of the Board of Procurators of Tacna, Oscar Ponce, confirmed that one of the INPE officials received money to allow the escape of 17 prisoners of Challapalca last Sunday.

"I received information from members of the Public Prosecutor Challapalca that there are reasonable enough that there has been sustainable in this leak and corruption involving members of INPE," he told RPP.

He said that the thirteen trustees shall determine responsibilities in this case and found that some of the families of workers INPE also received money in the accounts of prison guards after found vouchers.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: texasmom on February 22, 2012, 10:19:02 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Shootout with police leaves two dead in a car in a very busy tourist area.

Rumors of a drug deal...nothing confirmed from my understanding.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/43622-dos-morto-den-caso-di-tiramento.html

Papiamentu translation:

tiroteo among police cu criminalnan in sound turistico

wednesday, 22 february 2012 13:20

two dead is the saldo of one tiroteo serious cu was have in centro of town. here two man not identifica still owing to die sit in chair of they car. the versionnan is various. till still not can confirma because ministerio publico owing to place one bosal at mouth of polisnan. hour calling ministerio publico they niether is give informacion at prensa.

esey is place cu have to busca informacion via canalnan illegal y this naturally can spite the investigacion. biniendo on the caso can tell cu for of morning end we have informacion of the agentenan moviendo in the area of seaport. hendenan cu owing to see movecion policial at civil y team of aresto owing to notifica we cu have to have algo. at once owing to place some person post the agentenan cu does not owing to talk nothing. this was for of oranan of morning where autoridad was wardando the instant for actua. just algo first cu 12or of afternoon the miembronan of team of aresto owing to fly fast of one terios color berde a-42121 cu was pasando just east of taco bell at as port navy.

in the terios was have three person masculino. hour cu the team of aresto owing to go actua the criminalnan here owing to cuminsa throw on the agentenan. team of aresto strongly arm not owing to bacila y owing to sift the dosnan fast cu ball cu armanan automatico. via windshield, backshield y glasnan at near owing to fill esnan fast cu tiro y owing to laganan bath in one plas of blood. owing to ask refuerzo of all patrol of police. owing to detene more person at the sitio cual one of they was in one car cora.

the team of aresto owing to controla the situation y happen the situation over at recherchenan cu also was envolvi in the caso. was being talk at first instant cu was hendenan cu was have intencion of throw one asalto arm but after was talk of one possible transaccion of drugs. the are will owing to meet at one restaurant eybanda for deal the drugs cual is being menciona of is on 10 kilo.

so team of aresto owing to go frustra the transaccion cu consecuencia cu esnan in low world owing to throw on they. the team of aresto is much good prepara y they owing to reacciona bek y kill the dosnan sit fast. the area owing to stay close on distancianan far tanto for person because; trafico of car. owing to investiga casi cinco hour at the sitio first cu owing to saca the two curpanan without life y hibanan for of the sitio. is being talk cu they will is colombiano but as owing to being menciona police y niether ministerio publico does not talk y give informacion. all thing they owing to menciona is cu have two dead but here cualkier person can owing to see esey. doctor owing to constata dead of both cu was bath in blood sit fast in car. peace at the restonan.

More pictures at the link:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.feb.22.tiramento.DSC_0028.JPG)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.feb.22.tiramento.DSC_1071.jpg)


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Post by: texasmom on February 22, 2012, 10:30:59 PM
Video at the link
(I haven't been able to get it to play yet)

http://www.awe24.com/20120222/9903/Video_di_e_accion_cu_tabata_tin_banda_di_Seaport_Market_Place

Papiamentu translation:

video of the accion cu was have near of seaport market place

3 hora happen come across, 22 of feburary 2012 19:30

here can see video of part of the accion of the team of arresto at instant of owing to ataca esnan in the car, can see the fotonan of cuanto ball the car here owing to ricibi. ad the video is contene lenguaje strong then if do you not can cu esakinan mihor do you not play neither listen the audio on the video.

Bullet holes in one of the cars...

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/9903/2_1329961556.jpg)


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Post by: texasmom on February 22, 2012, 10:46:12 PM
http://www.awe24.com/20120222/9900/Fuertemente_arma_oficialnan_di_justicia_acompana_pa_fiscal_a_bay_haci_inval_na

Papiamentu translation:

strongly arm oficialnan of justicia acompaña for fiscal owing to bay haci inval at apartment at north

9 hora happen come across, 22 of feburary 2012 14:10

after of the susedido of tiramento near of seaport marketplace, at once owing to inicia one investigacion pisa cu owing to conduci the oficialnan at one adres at boegoeroei where strongly arm owing to bay at one apartment where eynan owing to confisca several evidencia for her caso. apparently will bay have more detencion in the dianan here. together cu the oficialnan cu owing to bay at the sitio owing to bay 3 investigador internacional cu also is trahando on the investigacion.


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Post by: texasmom on February 22, 2012, 10:55:04 PM
WARNING:  Some of the pictures are very graphic here.   

 ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.awe24.com/20120222/9899/Polis_a_los_tiro_riba_2_sospechoso_cu_nan_tabata_vigilando_nan_y_esakinan_a

Papiamentu translation:

police owing to los tiro on 2 sospechoso cu they was vigilando they y esakinan owing to throw on police

11 hora happen come across, 22 of feburary 2012 12:10

diaranzon afternoon owing to enter informe of losmento of tiro in centro of oranjestad near of seaport market place, at once owing to dirigi majority of patruyanan at the sitio y close all caminda. still not can give mucho informacion but locual cu owing to sosode is cu the team special of police was vigilando 2 criminal colombiano y hour cu the criminalnan owing to ripara cu they was being follow esakinan owing to saca arm y owing to throw on police. the agentenan not owing to basila y owing to throw directamente on both criminal y owing to matanan instantaneamente cu tironan directo. we will follow informa cu more imagen y relato


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Post by: grace-land on February 22, 2012, 10:56:47 PM
Texasmom, the video worked for me.  I clicked on one of the small videos at the left side.  Then I clicked on the bottom to the left of the volume control.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 22, 2012, 11:01:56 PM
http://www.awe24.com/20120222/9899/Polis_a_los_tiro_riba_2_sospechoso_cu_nan_tabata_vigilando_nan_y_esakinan_a

Police tape closing the street where the Aruban Parliament building is located.

(http://ba2.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/9899/17_1329939876.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 22, 2012, 11:02:36 PM
Texasmom, the video worked for me.  I clicked on one of the small videos at the left side.  Then I clicked on the bottom to the left of the volume control.   ::MonkeyCool::


Thanks grace-land, yes it did finally work for me too; just took a little while.   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 22, 2012, 11:04:48 PM
Aruba could add another motto to their travel advertising :

"I see dead people"

 ::MonkeyMad::

Ain't that the truth!   :shock: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 22, 2012, 11:09:30 PM
You're welcome, texasmom!

Here's a short article in English--

http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=12853

Criminals killed after open fire at police
Posted by Aruba Daily on February 22nd, 2012

ORANJESTAD – This morning, the police had information about a potential robbery. While investingating the area, two men opened fire at the police officers. The police officers acted very quickly in securing the area and protecting inocent bystanders. During the shootout, both assailants were killed.


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Post by: texasmom on February 22, 2012, 11:16:12 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/102566-twee-doden-na-schotenwisseling-met-politie

Google translation:

Two shot dead after exchange with police         

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 2012 9:06

ORANGE CITY - Two suspects are at the beginning of the afternoon during a shot with the police to change their lives. The shooting incident happened on the road next to Renaissance Marketplace, near Taco Bell. Both police and the Public Prosecutor (OM) would not give information about the incident, but according to unconfirmed sources, a SWAT team tried to keep the suspects. The police admit that it was an attempt to arrest, but can not confirm whether the arrest team was involved. Witnesses, however, say agents dressed in black and wearing balaclavas on, trying to make the arrest. However the suspects opened fire on the policemen who then fired back. According to police spokesperson John Larmonie would "quite a few shots" are fired. Two suspects are hereby killed. Where the pair was suspected of and why the police at that location, between the tourists and the arrest were trying to accomplish, there is yet no police or OM answer that .


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Post by: texasmom on February 22, 2012, 11:35:30 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/102460-difficult-carnival-period-

‘Difficult carnival period’         

TUESDAY, 21 FEBRUARY 2012 11:10

ORANJESTAD — Foundation Aruban Carnival (SAC) looks back on a difficult carnival period with fewer participants but a beautiful large parade in Oranjestad, said SAC-chairperson Tecla Kelly.“It hadn’t been easy”, said Kelly. It had begun somewhat difficult partly due to the lingering conflict between SAC and the music bands about the pay-per-view revenues from the Calypso & Road March Contest. “Things had remained difficult, causing delays in preparations.” Besides the conflict with the bands, there had also been the discussion with the police on agreements. “We normally aim to arrange everything with the police before November 11th but we failed for some reason.” Kelly mentioned Jouvert Morning, as an example. The Aruban Police Corps (KPA) had requested SAC to start the event at midnight instead of at 4:00 AM. “Considering we already had the permit for the time and everything had been ready, it was difficult to change this on short notice.

 ::snipping2::

Fewer participants

The parades had had fewer participants this year. This was due to several factors, according to Kelly. “The economical decline for instance and several people mentioned they had less money to spend this year and had decided not to participate.” People also considered the conflict with the bands on pay-per-view revenues a factor not to participate. “Of course, there had been the shoot-outs several weeks ago, which had led to the death of a boy shortly after the children’s parade of San Nicolas, and another later on. Participants had not felt safe and reconsidered”, said Kelly.



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Post by: texasmom on February 22, 2012, 11:43:04 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/102102-parliament-discusses-bob-law


Parliament discusses BOB-law         

THURSDAY, 16 FEBRUARY 2012 11:20

ORANJESTAD — The bill of National Regulation Special Tracking Authorities (BOB) was presented to the parliament in October 2010, but now it’s finally been put on the agenda for discussion. If the States approves this law, Justice can use legal tracking methods such as monitoring and infiltrating criminal gangs.Many countries have been using these tracking methods for years, also in The Netherlands where the BOB-methods were included in the Code of Criminal Procedure in 2001. This was mainly due to the notorious IRT-affaire, whereby controversial tracking methods were used such as letting drugs through deliberately to infiltrate criminal gangs.

Justice on Aruba has been using tracking methods such as wire-tapping, pseudo-purchase (for example to catch drug traffickers) and infiltration for years, although it was illegal. The Amigoe has reported this several times in the past years. In some large-scale trials against criminal organizations this illegal tracking had led to lower sentences against suspects and a rap over the knuckles from authorities. The judge had not or only partially allowed information obtained through such tracking techniques as evidence.

Gudeline tracking methods

Without a law the Aruban Justice felt crippled for years because it was very difficult to tackle organized crime. In 2008, the Attorney General of Aruba and of the (former) Antilles published a guideline, announcing which tracking methods Justice used that were not provided for by law. It regards systematic observation, infiltration (by police officers and by citizens), a pseudo purchase or service (also by citizens) and monitoring. With this, Justice attempts to make own arrangements in anticipation of the definite legislation.

The Explanatory Memorandum of the new bill BOB also mentions that guideline. However, in a reply, the Advisory Council deals summarily with this. The Council finds that guideline ‘incomprehensible’ and believes it contravenes the European Treaty of the Human Rights and the Constitution of Aruba. In reply, the Minister of Justice states ‘as yet it hasn’t been established to what extent that decision of the Attorney Generals is legally tenable’.

Meanwhile, almost one and a half year has gone by since the government presented the enactment to the parliament.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: texasmom on February 22, 2012, 11:52:54 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/102561-parlement-stemt-voor-meer-bevoegdheden-politie

Google translation:

Parliament votes for more police powers         

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 2012 9:05

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/thumbnails/images-stories-2012-02-22-964991-350x234.jpg)

MEPs debate the so-called BOB-law, which was approved last Friday.

ORANGE CITY - The parliament last Friday called BOB-law for more investigative powers for police, approved.

The law where justice has long been waiting for so mainly to better tackle organized crime, was approved by a majority of fourteen votes. Those were from the ASF fraction PDR leader AndIn Bikker and independent MP Mervin Wyatt-Ras. The full MEP group and two other independent States members were not present. The debate also took a little over an hour and the second round of questions contained only six questions.

At the start there was a fuss about an anonymous envelope in which the judgment had enough of the matter which faction MEP Xiomara Ruiz-Maduro won against Clarisca Velasquez who had insulted her husband. AVP-party members expressed their verontwaardigheden over this action because the document is not officially through the Registrar had been booked and closed boxes were just opened. "Abuse of equipment and personnel of the States", said Chris Staten Dammers (AVP) and said that like his other party members about an unsafe situation because it could also just be once a letter bomb. States President Paul Croes (AVP) promised to investigate the matter.

The MEP further fraction gave a press release to explain her absence. The day before party members had Maduro and Ady Thijsen all points of the group and proclaimed support for the new law given on behalf of the whole group. Questions to Justice Minister Arthur Dowers (AVP) they received insufficient response, so it did not want to even participate in the debate, says MEP leader Evelyn Wever-Croes.

With the new legislation, the police in any case now legally eavesdropping, systematic observation, infiltration and pseudo-purchases. Minister Dowers (AVP) hereby promises that justice will take into account the privacy and other rights of citizens.


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Post by: texasmom on February 23, 2012, 01:26:45 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::


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Post by: texasmom on February 23, 2012, 01:57:27 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2012/02/polisnan-a-logra-cera-area-di-crimen-hermeticamente/

Papiamentu translation:

polisnan owing to succeed close area of crimen hermeticamente

publication: thursday, 23 february 2012.

categoria: general

oranjestad (aan): at instant cu the caso of tiroteo owing to socede pabao of wilhelminapark, at once orden owing to worde give for full the area worde close hermeticamente. negoshinan owing to close they door, y everybody they acceso owing to worde limita. esey owing to nifica, cu even trafico owing to worde desvia in one beam of some hundred metre far. polisnan even owing to stop at the cruzada near of plaza daniel leo, for so desvia all trafico. daily paper owing to capta even the instant cu fiscal owing to arrive close of patrol for so achieve more informacion. can owing to see also, ex-comisario jan van der straten eybanda cu owing to happen check the situation also.

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/ceracaya7.jpg)


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Post by: grace-land on February 23, 2012, 01:18:03 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/102662-arrestatie-renaissance-drugsgerelateerd

Google translation

"Arrest Renaissance drug-related '
Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:01

ORANGE CITY - The arrest yesterday at Renaissance Marketplace, which culminated in a shootout in which two people were killed, had to do with drugs. This confirms Advocate General Taco Stein Amigoe. He denies not that the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration DEA was involved in the investigation.

The investigation that led to the arrest attempt was relatively recently, says Stein. Details regarding the identity and nationality of the suspects and whether in yesterday's raids on three houses equipment or weapons have been seized, the Advocate-General this morning show. To know that there are no heavy weapons were found during the arrest. This he denies statements by eyewitnesses. "They'll see what more they want to see," said Stein. The third suspect who survived the shooting incident, is still being held. "He is suspected of involvement in the case," said Stein. It also reaffirms that the incident is being investigated by the Land Investigation. "That is standard for all incidents where police shot has landed." Further details will follow later in the day. "The case officer is still under discussion with the arrest team and will be today at the section of the two suspects shot dead there," said the Advocate General.

Politicians relieved

Meanwhile, the flow responses to the shooting incident. Between the budget debate by politicians know to be shocked by the fact that the shooting took place in broad daylight. At the same time they are relieved about the success and the rapid action of the police. AVP-leader René Herde hint in his response to a collaboration with a foreign service. "We are pleased that our safety authority, with good international relations, was prepared and proactive could act against a planned crime," said Herde. That the matter has to do with drugs, ascribes independent opposition figure Booshi Weaver to the incumbent government party ASF. "The current admission policy softened get criminals back free reign to operate here."

AndIn Bikker (PDR) is pleased with the crackdown of the police. "Our group is also looking forward to the official report like this from the police." MEP leader Evelyn Wever-Croes was one of the first to express her shock yesterday made through Facebook. They also asked her on the social network of friends what they think is best that the government should do to tackle rising crime. Independent States member Marisol Lopez-Tromp found that the daytime shooting incident took place in a tourist area, not conducive to the sense of security.

Atia

Employers Organisation Atia held a press conference this morning, in which director Joyce Bartels-Daal congratulated the police action and re-quoted the concerns of the members of Atia about safety on the island.  ::snipping2::  Also, the Director again that shopkeepers and businesses in recent times increasingly the target of armed robberies.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on February 23, 2012, 04:05:38 PM


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Post by: Tamikosmom on February 23, 2012, 04:12:12 PM
Augusta Preparatory Day School Runs for Justice

Fundraising Walk/Run to benefit the Natalee Holloway Resource Center


Washington, DC - Registration is now open for the Run for Justice, a 5K fundraising run/walk hosted by the Augusta Preparatory Day School to benefit the Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC). The fundraiser, organized by Augusta Prep students, Maggie McLeod ’12 and Amanda Murphy ’13, will raise funds for the NHRC to assist families and raise awareness among teens of safe traveling. When asked why they want to support the cause, Miss McLeod and Miss Murphy stated, “We identify with Natalee Holloway. She was motivated in school and life. We want to raise awareness in our community of the dangers of international travel, so others do not fall victim to the same tragedy.”

"We are thrilled to host this event to benefit the Natalee Holloway Resource Center and proud of our students who are championing this cause,” states Becky Gilmore, Augusta Prep's Head of School. “Their desire to increase awareness among their peers and within our community about sensible precautions for international travel is commendable. Raising funds for this worthy center at the same time is also commendable and is a direct reflection of the generosity of spirit for which August Prep is well known."

Prior to the fundraising event, Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway, will speak at Augusta Prep on Friday, February 24th at 2:30PM. Holloway’s discussion with students will focus on Natalee’s story and how teens and young adults can learn from the tragedy that her daughter faced. Beth will also be present at the fundraising event to show her appreciation to the students for organizing the event to raise money for the cause.

The fundraising event is the first organized by the public to benefit NHRC since the organization’s inception in June 2010. “We are so grateful to Maggie and Amanda for organizing this event for our benefit,” states Janine Vaccarello, co-founder of NHRC and COO of the Crime Museum in Washington, D.C. “The more funding that we can secure, the more we can assist teens and young adults so that tragedies such as Natalee’s do not ever happen again.”

The entrance fee of $20 includes a t-shirt, and participants are encouraged to register early as space is limited (registration ends February 11th). To register for the run, receive updates on the Natalee Holloway case and learn more about the NHRC, please visit:
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC_events or www.augustaprep.org/5k

About the Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC) provides families of missing persons with an action plan, missing poster templates, contacts, resources, and handles press releases and media reach. NHRC also provides educational programs for traveling safe, crime prevention, and encourages careers in the fields of forensic science and law enforcement. NHRC operates out of the Crime Museum in Washington, DC. For more information, please visit www.helpthemissing.org.

http://www.crimemuseum.org/documents/runforjustice.pdf


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Post by: Tamikosmom on February 23, 2012, 04:14:20 PM


(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 23, 2012, 06:46:04 PM
So if those who were killed were not armed, they couldn't have fired first.

What happened? 

I thought it was odd that none of the vehicles that were towed away from the scene yesterday had "visitors" license plates, including the one that the two dead guys were in.

Makes me wonder if...someone that WAS armed was concerned about what the suspects might say if they had been apprehended ALIVE?  Just a thought...ya know how everybody knows everybody on that island.

The article says there were more than 50 shots fired.


http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6083:sospechosonan-cu-a-wordo-mata-ayera-door-di-polis-no-tabata-tin-arma-cu-nan&catid=1:policial&Itemid=16

Papiamentu translation:

sospechosonan cu owing to wordo kill yesterday door of police not was have arm cu they

oranjestad - in one conferencia as today tardi calling for minister of justicia together cu advocate general y comisario richardson owing to confirma cu the sospechosonan cu owing to wordo kill yesterday not was have arm cu they. the question awo dicon they owing to wordo throw y dicon so much ball have to owing to skeiro. assure more of 50 ball owing to wordo throw yesterday. we is come upstairs the sharp here bek more fast in the articulo. now cu the is oficial we can elabora one bit upstairs dje, esta cu the caso here provided that principio is one caso of dea cu they was come is investigando y cu owing to ask cooperacion of aruba for haci detencion of the sospechosonan here among another. caminda cu was have one of two are logicamente. have one bendedo y have one cumprado. owing to dicidi of envolvi the team of aresto for so haci the detencion of the sospechosonan. can planifica con much cu they wanted but all situation is various. in the caso here y in much another they will owing to haci the detencion without cu niun person ripara nothing y much lihe the tiponan here will was at keep together cu they car y drugs. sinembargo cos owing to bay completamente left yesterday caminda cu throw the two sospechosonan here kill without cu they was have arm upstairs they. dicon owing to wordo throw? one tiro or more will owing to cay accidentalmente? was have one declaracion yesterday of one tourist cu the la listen two tiro first after very much his slow. the can is damage of lidership perhaps at the sitio? con can is possible one team elite as esun of aresto here can haci damage so big. if one damage so big pace have two person cu owing to wordo kill cu not was have arm upstairs they in day cla cu glass getint provided that berdad if, y the problem more big cu one “barrage” of ball owing to wordo employ. niun police wanted kill none person, none police does not kill none person without have to, investigacion will have to bay show kico provided that realidad owing to happen yesterday pace algo owing to bay much left. achievement is cu the two personanan here was envolvi in one transaccion of drugs y cu drugs owing to wordo achieve tanto in the vehiculo because; in the cas, but achievement is also cu they owing to wordo throw kill without cu they was have arm upstairs they. one of tercer owing to wordo aresta cu not was in the car. both victima as cu we owing to anuncia yesterday is colombiano. the damage here is so big cu do not descarta cu police will can cay close alas. but esey is the risico of the work here cu is one leg in cemetery y one leg in jail, all police know this. all police know this pace they owing to wordo splica on this time they're in opleiding. the team elite here owing to haci so much work good in pasado of cual much of they perfectamente ehecuta, alas the damage here will can mancha they good reputacion. investigacion is in hand of landsrecherche cu will have to bay determina exactly kico owing to happen.


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Post by: texasmom on February 24, 2012, 01:40:52 AM
According to this article the guys that were killed had borrowed the car they were in.  Apparently one of them had been deported from Aruba at one time, but was back.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/43681-benjamin-y-alcidez-a-fia-auto-for-di-un-amiga-pa-haci-respondi-pero-a-haya-nan-morto.html

Papiamentu translation:

benjamin y alcidez owing to lend car for of one girlfriend for haci respondi but owing to achieve they dead

thursday, 23 february 2012 21:02

the two criminalnan kill at aruba for team of aresto in oranan of morning owing to lend the car for of one lady for so go haci one respondi. the lady conoce both man but never owing to live think cu the hendenan here will owing to go hinca kilonan of cocaina for so go haci transaccion of drugs. hour the lady owing to hear what owing to sosode cu his car the self owing to beat alarma close police for splicanan of the situation. cu water at eye past owing to see cu his car owing to stay fill cu ball for of all angulo. one of the hombernan hour cu owing to come busca the car owing to tell cu the is go busca his casa. although the splicacion give was some odd tog owing to lage go cu the car. now the situation owing to resulta various because both is meti in low world. benjamin n.c. naci at colombia 31 anja was the chofer of the car while cu alcidez f.p. naci at colombia of 56 anja was sit at near. one of they in the caso here owing to arrive of wordo deporta but is back at aruba. his casa or frei have to owing to arrive diahuebs night cu plane for of colombia for come take cuenta of his being keri the another have his muher at aruba y is bibando at aruba. the car self do not on name of his owner but on name of one conocir of the madam cu is of surname t live in lucerostraat. the owner of the car self live in koningstraat cu is same lugar where the terios is stop all hour. both sospechoso seems is conoci for her another colombianonan at aruba. they're march cu more cu one telephone celular or blackberry in they power. esnan cu conoce both is tell cu they're guynan rustig. in the caso here they was being vigila of is in low world but the trip here the cos owing to go for of hand y they owing to being kill y owing to stay bath in blood sit in asiento of the car.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.feb.23.dos_morto.front.jpg)


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Post by: texasmom on February 24, 2012, 01:53:50 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/43684-a-haya-basta-droga-den-auto-y-den-diferente-cas-mientras-cu-e-caso-ta-un-investigacion-internacional-hunto-cu-dea.html

Papiamentu translation:

owing to achieve enough drugs in car y in various cas while cu the caso is one investigacion internacional together cu dea

thursday, 23 february 2012 20:13

at bestuurskantoor was have the conferencia of prensa where present was tey mr taco stein advocaat general of ministerio publico, was tey alto comisario of police dolfi richardson y also minister of husticia mr drs arthur dowers. minister arthur dowers owing to open the conferencia comentando on the caso. have crimen but have teamnan prepara also for atende this according the mandatario of husticia. at aruba have calidad high of investigacion cu is wordo haci. now is ask comprension of the people because we have one world cambiando y crimennan also cambiando. criminalnan is actuate for various part of world. taco stein advocaat general of ministerio publico owing to splica cu the investigacion is uno internacional where owing to persigui person cu owing to conduci at aresto y two person owing to die. was have enough drugs also confisca in the car y at various cas cu they owing to enter. have two situation in the caso here. what owing to happen cu owing to being throw is wordo investiga for lands recherché. the tironan cu owing to cay will nifica also cu will have investigacion much largo. not owing to achieve none arm on esnan cu owing to wordo kill. taco stein owing to splica cu the motibo cu owing to throw is being investiga although not owing to achieve arm. till now here have indicacion cu have three person at the sitio of cual uno owing to wordo grab in another car in cercania. in the terios cu the two personanan owing to being kill was have only the two ocupantenan here. just after of the tiramento was have also inval at various cas. at aruba autoridad owing to achieve various informacion for of autoridad mericano dea cu is at aruba but hour of tiramento (shooting) not was present. owing to achieve drugs at difernte cas y in the car. dolfi richardson alto comisario owing to splica cu the team of aresto is much good prepara. berdad much tiro owing to go y thanks god none person in cercania owing to resulta injury. bao of tension they can work they trabao as owe being. crimen do not pay y is one caso lamentable but past owing to sosode. type of casonan so is happen frecuentemente where team of aresto is atende cu more caso during week. this is uno cu owing to wing atencion because two person owing to being kill y past owing to happen in one area. owing to actua eynan because esey was the instant for actua. the not was can another y cada caso is wordo evalua. was have one team much big more present but esun special is actua. wanted sigura cu all risico is wordo evita. owing to ask about dolfi richardson if algo so can have consecuencia for her polisnan. now here not can talk of the cosnan ey. the autoridadnan of aruba is work cu agencianan investigativo internacional for can combati crimen y all thing is cosnan of low world. autoridadnan of aruba is comparti informacion. still is investiga con the sospechoso cu owing to bandona aruba owing to enter bek aruba. all police cu was tey at the sitio envolvi in the caso have to owing to entrega they arm for wordo controla. dolfi richardson alto comisario owing to follow splica cu the inicialnan of esnan cu owing to being kill is benjamin n.c. naci at colombia 31 anja, alcidez f.p. naci at colombia of 56 anja. w.g.h.a. also naci at colombia not have his edad y is esun cu owing to being grab one bit more far in another car. is wordo talk cu one caminda owing to abort because advocaat general taco stein owing to let know cu one of esnan kill owing to arrive of wordo expulsa of aruba. the question what is touch the person here at aruba? is being menciona cu the grensbewaking at aruba do not 100%. this do not berdad according the mandatario. we have guarda we costa cu owing to being arise in form clandestino in gobernacion anterior cu owing to hinca we in one imagen very negative cu they accionnan. the mandatario owing to splica cu the departamento here owing to cause much danjo at imagen of aruba cu they form of actua. minister dowers owing to splica cu the crimen here is uno transcacional where have to sit cu more are. have to comparti informacion for so can combati crimen. the criminal is actuate all caminda according minister arthur dowers. are you work cu gruponan of inteligencia internacional cu much trip the hendenan do you not conoce. do you reputacion have to is intachable for work cu type of casonan y gruponan internacional so. some person owing to cuestiona the radarnan cu will do not funcionando. have radar of kustwacht trahando y have person is observa this for see all movecion on lama according minister dowers. have discussion on the walradar of pasado cu not owing to funciona. esun of kustwacht owing to grab person on lama owing to base of indicacion of the radarnan of kustwacht.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.feb.23.gob_tiro.IMG_5789.JPG)


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Post by: texasmom on February 24, 2012, 03:12:14 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::




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Post by: Red on February 24, 2012, 09:16:49 AM
Augusta Prep Day School … “Running for Justice” for Natalee Holloway, 5K Run/Walk for the NHRC … Beth Holloway Will be There

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/02/24/augusta-prep-day-school-running-for-justice-for-natalee-holloway-5k-runwalk-for-the-nhrc-beth-holloway-will-be-there/

KUDOS to the Augusta Prep Day School remembering Natalee Holloway and a run for a cause for missing persons ...

Augusta Prep Day School in  Martinez, GA is having a 5K run/walk where 100% of the proceeds will be donated to the NHRC, the Natalee Holloway Resource Center to help parents with missing persons. Beth Holloway will be attending the event, taking part in the 5K run/walk and speaking to the student body and parents the day before. Beth Holloway will discuss Internationals Safe Travels. Come one, come all for this 5K run/walk and give to a great cause.


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Post by: klaasend on February 24, 2012, 09:43:41 AM
Thanks Red!


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Post by: KittyMom on February 24, 2012, 09:48:19 AM
http://www.augustaprep.org/page.cfm?p=337&newsid=434
5K Fun Run/Walk

at the bottom you'll find a link for an online registration form


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Post by: Tamikosmom on February 24, 2012, 10:11:07 AM
Augusta Prep Day School … “Running for Justice” for Natalee Holloway, 5K Run/Walk for the NHRC … Beth Holloway Will be There

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/02/24/augusta-prep-day-school-running-for-justice-for-natalee-holloway-5k-runwalk-for-the-nhrc-beth-holloway-will-be-there/

KUDOS to the Augusta Prep Day School remembering Natalee Holloway and a run for a cause for missing persons ...

Augusta Prep Day School in  Martinez, GA is having a 5K run/walk where 100% of the proceeds will be donated to the NHRC, the Natalee Holloway Resource Center to help parents with missing persons. Beth Holloway will be attending the event, taking part in the 5K run/walk and speaking to the student body and parents the day before. Beth Holloway will discuss Internationals Safe Travels. Come one, come all for this 5K run/walk and give to a great cause.

Thank you Red!!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 24, 2012, 10:33:06 AM
Augusta Preparatory Day School Runs for Justice
Fundraising Walk/Run to benefit the Natalee Holloway Resource Center


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The fundraising event is the first organized by the public to benefit NHRC since the organization’s inception in June 2010. “We are so grateful to Maggie and Amanda for organizing this event for our benefit,” states Janine Vaccarello, co-founder of NHRC and COO of the Crime Museum in Washington, D.C. “The more funding that we can secure, the more we can assist teens and young adults so that tragedies such as Natalee’s do not ever happen again.”

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http://www.crimemuseum.org/documents/runforjustice.pdf


5K Fun Run/Walk

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We are asking for your help in sponsoring the 5K.  Sponsors are people who donate to the run, and, therefore, to this worthy cause.  The sponsor levels are listed below.  We hope we can count on you to sponsor by goods,services, or a simple donation.  We appreciate your your support more than you can know.

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http://www.augustaprep.org/page.cfm?p=781


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Post by: Tamikosmom on February 24, 2012, 10:36:22 AM
FLASHBACK

Mother of missing student in Aruba creates missing persons resource center at DC museum
By Associated Press
10:04 AM CDT, May 28, 2010


WASHINGTON (AP) — The mother of an Alabama teen who disappeared five years ago in Aruba is opening a resource center to help families of missing persons.

Beth Holloway has created the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, named for her daughter who went missing during a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island. The center will be based at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment in downtown Washington.

The nonprofit center aims to provide families with an action plan, examples of missing person posters, contacts, media liaisons and other services to guide families during crises. Officials also say they will provide educational programs on safe traveling and crime prevention and encourage careers in forensic science and law enforcement.

http://www.whnt.com/news/sns-ap-dc--missingpersonscenter,0,5675542.story



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Post by: Tamikosmom on February 24, 2012, 10:39:41 AM
Others Might Learn

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 189:    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.
 
Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.  I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge  it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

Page 208:  The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

Page 209:  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive.



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Post by: Tamikosmom on February 24, 2012, 10:41:59 AM
"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Beth Holloway  2010


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 24, 2012, 10:52:43 AM
Augusta Prep Day School … “Running for Justice” for Natalee Holloway, 5K Run/Walk for the NHRC … Beth Holloway Will be There

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/02/24/augusta-prep-day-school-running-for-justice-for-natalee-holloway-5k-runwalk-for-the-nhrc-beth-holloway-will-be-there/

KUDOS to the Augusta Prep Day School remembering Natalee Holloway and a run for a cause for missing persons ...

Augusta Prep Day School in  Martinez, GA is having a 5K run/walk where 100% of the proceeds will be donated to the NHRC, the Natalee Holloway Resource Center to help parents with missing persons. Beth Holloway will be attending the event, taking part in the 5K run/walk and speaking to the student body and parents the day before. Beth Holloway will discuss Internationals Safe Travels. Come one, come all for this 5K run/walk and give to a great cause.


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Post by: grace-land on February 24, 2012, 11:16:55 AM
Thank you, Janet and Red, for bringing the "Running for Justice" for Natalee Holloway, 5K Run/Walk for the NHRC event to our attention.  ::MonkeyKiss::


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Post by: grace-land on February 24, 2012, 11:23:06 AM
http://www.peruviantimes.com/23/peru-declares-emergency-in-prison-system/15117/

Peru Declares Emergency In Prison System
February 23, 2012 by Andean Air Mail & PERUVIAN TIMES

Peru’s government has declared an emergency in the penitentiary system, in an attempt to improve security conditions in the country’s notorious prisons.
 ::snipping2::
The measure follows the escape earlier this week of 17 inmates from the maximum security Challapalca prison, located in the highlands of Tacna in southern Peru. Authorities announced on Wednesday that all of the fugitives were captured.

Peru’s prisons are notorious for their lack of security and overcrowding.  A December report by Peru’s ombudsman, the Defensoria del Pueblo, found that there were about 48,000 inmates in the prison system, which has the infrastructure for only 28,000 people.  Corruption is rife, with prisoners able to access even mobile phones and weapons at a price, while the slow judiciary process results in many inmates spending several years in prison before even being sentenced.


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Post by: grace-land on February 24, 2012, 12:15:17 PM
http://www.larepublica.pe/24-02-2012/en-la-actualidad-existen-mas-de-50-mil-personas-recluidas-en-66-penales-del-pais

Google translation

There are currently more than 50 000 inmates in 66 prisons in the country
Friday, February 24, 2012 | 7:35 a.m.

Measure. The government declared an emergency yesterday in the National Penitentiary System. Report of the Ombudsman indicated that overcrowding and lack of budget are the most serious problems.

Oscar Flores

The escape of 17 prisoners of Challapalca Sunday 19 February demonstrates the insecurity and corruption that exists in the prisons of our country. The prisoners escaped from the Bolivian border, seven of them were captured three days later, after a hellish shooting. An inmate died in the crossfire. The 17 stars of this scandalous leak paid more than $ 50 000 Inpe agents to leave the prison through the front door.

That is why the government declared emergency yesterday in the National Penitentiary System until December 31, 2012, to give urgent and exceptional measures to improve security conditions in the prisons.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on February 24, 2012, 01:10:22 PM
Thank you, Janet and Red, for bringing the "Running for Justice" for Natalee Holloway, 5K Run/Walk for the NHRC event to our attention.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Hi Grace

 ::HelloKitty::

It is raining today in Martinez but tomorrow will bring clear skies for the run.  I have a good feeling that the NHRC's first fundraising is going to be a huge success.  My DIL, daughter, 10 year old granddaughter and I raised pledges/donation from respective church and family members/friends.  We will run (I will walk briskly) along the banks of the muddy Fraser River.  A lunch will follow.  Where?  I don't know but ... if I don't have to cook ... who cares.

I hope your day is good.

Janet





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Post by: texasmom on February 24, 2012, 05:17:31 PM
http://newstimes.augusta.com/news/2012-02-24/holloway-warns-teens-about-travel-dangers


Holloway warns teens about travel dangers

Posted: February 24, 2012 - 4:40pm

By Donnie Fetter

Columbia County Bureau Chief

The mother of a famed disappearance victim warned Augusta Preparatory Day School students Friday about the dangers of overseas travel.

“One thing I will do is carry her story for the rest of my life,” Beth Holloway said of Natalee Holloway in a video clip she played prior to a speech to the Martinez private school’s high school students.

Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005 during a graduation trip to Aruba with classmates from Mountain Brook High School in Alabama.

The main suspect in her disappearance, Dutch citizen Joran Van der Sloot, twice was arrested and questioned by Aruban authorities, but never charged.

Last month, Van der Sloot plead guilty in Peru to murdering 21-year-old businesswoman Stephany Flores on May 30, 2010, the fifth anniversary of Natalee’s disappearance. He was sentenced to 28 years in prison.

Van der Sloot also faces a wire fraud charge in Alabama after he tried to bribe Beth Holloway to tell her the whereabouts of Natalee’s body.

The day after Van der Sloot’s guilty plea in Peru, an Alabama judge declared Natalee dead at the request of her father, Dave Holloway. Beth Holloway opposed the declaration.

Holloway said Friday she believes Van der Sloot “kidnapped and murdered” her daughter by overdosing her drink with a date rape drug at a seaside nightclub the night before she was scheduled to return home.

Immediately following Natalee’s disappearance, Holloway said she traveled to Aruba and followed any lead given her. With little help from local authorities, Holloway said she even visited crack houses and brothels looking for her daughter.

“The panic I was trying to suppress was beginning to take hold,” she said after four days of searching.

During her ordeal, Holloway said she learned that American tourists often are targeted by criminals. Men and women, especially teens, visiting Aruba are lured to crack houses, drugged and robbed.

Often, Holloway said, tourists are held against their will until their credit cards are maxed out and then released.

To help future teen travelers to overseas destinations, Holloway founded Mayday360.com. The site offers information on electronic travel storage, a list of U.S. embassies and consulates, locations to get medical and legal assistance, an emergency help line, a beacon application for smartphones, and more.

Also, Holloway warned that travelers should activate international calling on cell phones before leaving, keep travel itineraries secret, don’t overindulge in alcohol, never leave a drink unattended, be aware of surroundings, and make a plan with friends to meet up at a specific spot at a specific time before leaving any location.

“You are your own best protection,” Holloway said.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: texasmom on February 24, 2012, 06:01:41 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/102805-justitie-zwijgt-over-noodzaak-arrestatie

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/02242012_Amigoe_01.png)


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Post by: texasmom on February 24, 2012, 06:57:46 PM
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Augusta-Preparatory-Day-School/20266504196

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/02252012_AugustaPrep5K_01-1.png)



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Post by: texasmom on February 24, 2012, 07:01:42 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/02/24/augusta-prep-day-school-running-for-justice-for-natalee-holloway-5k-runwalk-for-the-nhrc-beth-holloway-will-be-there/#comments

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::snipping2::

Pat in Alabama on February 24th, 2012 2:54 pm
Thank you Scared Monkeys for posting this!!! I’ve been following your site since June of 2005 and sometimes its is a bit of a downer that there is so little about Natalee. I know that is because the trail is now cold and there is little news.

The sporter has moved on to his new home and the rest of them got away with their crimes – but God knows! Let us never forget the injustice done to this young lady and her family by both the perps and a corrupt justice system on the island of Aruba. Let us remind them every chance we get. Let us remember the good things said of a young lady with a promising future, and pray for the continued healing of her family’s wounds.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: texasmom on February 24, 2012, 07:02:53 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



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Post by: Buckeye on February 24, 2012, 07:04:18 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/102805-justitie-zwijgt-over-noodzaak-arrestatie

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/02242012_Amigoe_01.png)



Killed two peasants in Aruba PDF Print E-mail
Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:30
Two men from La Guajira were murdered in Aruba, on facts that are being investigated by the police authorities of the Dutch island.

According to the authorities, the victims were identified as Benjamin Aguirre Castro, 35 years old, a native of Dibulla and known as 'Child Can', who lived in union with Yohaina Padilla.

Also, Peralta Alcides Pereira, born in Dibulla, 54 year old husband and father Vicitación Mendoza Gamez of a 10 years old.

Press reports indicate that there was a shooting in downtown Oranjestad, the capital of Aruba, without further details.

Riohacha family confirmed the death and said they are making arrangements to repatriate the bodies to Santa Marta, a city where they could be buried.

The victims of this bloody deed belong to recognized families Dibulla Riohacha and therefore caused consternation sad.

http://www.diariodelnorte.net/


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Post by: MuffyBee on February 24, 2012, 07:04:23 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/02/24/augusta-prep-day-school-running-for-justice-for-natalee-holloway-5k-runwalk-for-the-nhrc-beth-holloway-will-be-there/#comments

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Pat in Alabama on February 24th, 2012 2:54 pm
Thank you Scared Monkeys for posting this!!! I’ve been following your site since June of 2005 and sometimes its is a bit of a downer that there is so little about Natalee. I know that is because the trail is now cold and there is little news.

The sporter has moved on to his new home and the rest of them got away with their crimes – but God knows! Let us never forget the injustice done to this young lady and her family by both the perps and a corrupt justice system on the island of Aruba. Let us remind them every chance we get. Let us remember the good things said of a young lady with a promising future, and pray for the continued healing of her family’s wounds.

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Post by: texasmom on February 24, 2012, 07:55:47 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/justitie-betreurt-schietpartij-aruba

Google translation

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Post by: texasmom on February 24, 2012, 08:04:29 PM
http://www.el-informador.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32952:asesinan-guajiro-en-la-isla-de-aruba&catid=77:la-guajira&Itemid=420

Peasant murdered on the island of Aruba

THURSDAY FEBRUARY 23, 2012 3:36


At noon yesterday was killed in the northern island of Aruba, a peasant.

In the same facts of blood died a samarium. The fatality was identified as Alcides Pereira Peralta 55 years of age, a native of Riohacha.

The facts are unclear and in this city do not have details. The vigil will house street race 8 with 10 of the district center.

Peralta Pereira, lived in Riohacha with Vice Mendoza, left a son whose union. Unofficially learned that the island of Aruba also had a son.

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Post by: texasmom on February 24, 2012, 08:19:26 PM
http://www.radiogaleon.com.co/noticias/local/item/1926-ma%C3%B1ana-podr%C3%ADan-ser-tra%C3%ADdos-despojos-mortales-del-samario-abatido-en-aruba.html

Google translation:

Tomorrow could be brought Samarium mortal shot in Aruba

FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 24, 2012 8:15    FONT SIZE     PRINT E-MAIL

Tomorrow could be brought to the capital, the mortal remains of samarium,
allegedly killed by police in Aruba, with a peasant, who was also killed in the same events that occurred in Oranjestead, capital of the island.

Samarium who was killed in the confused circumstances, by the name of Benjamin Castro Aguirre, who was known among his associates as "Child Can", lived in the San Martin and was based for more than two years in Aruba.

A Castro Aguirre accompanying the peasant Peralta Alcides Pereira, who were inside a vehicle when allegedly were shot in the middle of a police operation to track mounted two suspects.

Relatives of victims attributed to an error by the island authorities, the incident that claimed the lives of their loved ones.

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Post by: texasmom on February 24, 2012, 08:35:20 PM
So if I understand those articles correctly, one of the dead men had been "based" on the island for more than two years, and the other "unofficially" has a child there.

Wonder if Benjamin Aguirre Castro was any relation to Poentje Castro?

IIRC there was mention after Poentje's murder of relative(s) being involved in drug trafficking and the question of if that may have been the reason he was murdered.



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Post by: texasmom on February 24, 2012, 10:09:44 PM
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http://issuu.com/boletinextra/docs/diabierna_24_februari_2012

Solo di Pueblo (Aruba)
February 24, 2012 Page 12

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Papiamentu translation:

police owing to haci inval in three cas y owing to achieve one cantidad big of drugs

sta. cruz – ministerio publico owing to tell yesterday cu police owing to haci inval on three cas yesterday afternoon. at one of the casnan owing to achieve one cantidad coniderabel of drugs.

this is at the cas where the criminalnan here was hospedando.

according is being tell cu one of they can is bibando at aruba y have family at aruba.

one another is ilegal while cu have one tercer person cu is close at the momentonan here upstairs the unique suspicion of dealmento or traficacion of drugs.

at the casnan here police owing to achieve several obheto, but is confirma of owing to achieve one cantidad substancial of drugs. come across

(I didn't type out the second article for translating since I think it's basically the same as others previously posted identifying the men that were killed)


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Post by: texasmom on February 24, 2012, 10:33:49 PM
http://www.rcnradio.com/noticias/editor/asesinan-guajiro-en-isla-de-aruba-139149

Google translation:

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Post by: Buckeye on February 24, 2012, 11:08:16 PM
Hi Milie, I heard these rumors too of a shootout between the men in the car and police. Alot of rumor when it first happened. I think that's what happens with too many people reporting the news.
My neighbor who works for aduana told us today what you have heard. The "perps' didn't have weapons in the car, BUT the vehicle involved was being watched by police in an ongoing police sting of some kind. (Drugs) and involved USDA as well. My neighbor also heard these guys had borrowed the car, and perhaps, in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think time will tell.

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 ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=87863&start=15


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Post by: texasmom on February 24, 2012, 11:08:45 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/onderzoek-naar-schietpartij-aruba-duurt-nog-weken

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Google translation:

Research into shooting Aruba lasts for weeks

Published: February 25, 2012 - 1:20 pm | By Natasha Gibbs ( photo: Mervin Danies )

Read more about:    Aruba Aruban Public Prosecution Aruban police drug trafficking firefight

The Public Prosecutor of Aruba expects the forensic investigation into the affairs during the shooting Wednesday, February 22 between police and three suspects will take several weeks. That leaves the spokesman for the Aruban OM, Advocate General Taco Stein, know.

The shooting came after the arrest team three suspects during a major drug transaction in the parking lot behind the Renaissance Hotel tried to arrest. The Colombians accused Benjamin Castro Aguirre (35) and Alcides Pereira Peralta (56) lost their lives. A third man was arrested. In none of the defendants nor their car, took the Land Investigation a firearm.

First shot
"The fact that no firearms at the suspects are found, does not mean that during the shooting were not in possession of a weapon," says Stein. "There are indications that a first shot from their side has been." The prosecution shall also consider other suspects in the vicinity that may have fired a shot. "

The forensic investigation since Wednesday in full swing, according to the OM must answer the question 'what exactly is shot. " "The research team based on a research trajectory trace exactly where the bullets came from and out of any firearm," says Stein.

Cooperation DEA
The initiative for the arrest of three suspects came at the request of the U.S. counternarcotics DEA team. "Together with them we held these suspects for over a week in the holes. Therefore we knew that that afternoon a drug transaction would take place, "explains Stein from.

Whether more arrests are to come can not say the OM. "But we conclude it does not matter," said the Advocate General.

Extradition
America has now requested the extradition of the suspect. "Aruba is prepared to respond to that desire to give and to grant," says Stein. "That is not only in a few days apart. Request for extradition and the whole procedure, in which the defendant still may appeal, in some cases a half years to complete. "

In the meantime, the suspect is stuck in the prison of Aruba.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on February 24, 2012, 11:14:19 PM
Augusta Prep Day School … “Running for Justice” for Natalee Holloway, 5K Run/Walk for the NHRC … Beth Holloway Will be There

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/02/24/augusta-prep-day-school-running-for-justice-for-natalee-holloway-5k-runwalk-for-the-nhrc-beth-holloway-will-be-there/

KUDOS to the Augusta Prep Day School remembering Natalee Holloway and a run for a cause for missing persons ...

Augusta Prep Day School in  Martinez, GA is having a 5K run/walk where 100% of the proceeds will be donated to the NHRC, the Natalee Holloway Resource Center to help parents with missing persons. Beth Holloway will be attending the event, taking part in the 5K run/walk and speaking to the student body and parents the day before. Beth Holloway will discuss Internationals Safe Travels. Come one, come all for this 5K run/walk and give to a great cause.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on February 24, 2012, 11:14:40 PM
Augusta Preparatory Day School Runs for Justice
Fundraising Walk/Run to benefit the Natalee Holloway Resource Center


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Prior to the fundraising event, Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway, will speak at Augusta Prep on Friday, February 24th at 2:30PM. Holloway’s discussion with students will focus on Natalee’s story and how teens and young adults can learn from the tragedy that her daughter faced. Beth will also be present at the fundraising event to show her appreciation to the students for organizing the event to raise money for the cause.

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http://www.crimemuseum.org/documents/runforjustice.pdf


5K Fun Run/Walk

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Augusta Prep is hosting a 5K Fun Run/Walk – “Running for Justice – Natalee Holloway 5K” to raise money to contribute to this great cause.  We will donate 100% of the proceeds to the NHRC.  The 5K is scheduled for Saturday, February 25th, 2012, at 10:00am, on the Augusta Prep cross-country trail.  We are combining our passion for running with our desire to help this great cause and to raise awareness in our community about safe international travel.

To make this event more meaningful than we ever could by ourselves, Natalee’s mother is going to join us!!  She’ll take part in the 5K run/walk, and she’ll speak to our student body and parents the day before.  This is going to make the event very exciting!  Our goal is to have as many runners as possible in the 5K.  To register, go to www.augustaprep.org/5k.  The cost is $20 per runner…again, all proceeds go to the Foundation.

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http://www.augustaprep.org/page.cfm?p=781



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Post by: Tamikosmom on February 24, 2012, 11:15:06 PM
Holloway warns teens about travel dangers
Natalee Holloway’s mother recalls ordeal after daughter went missing
Posted: February 24, 2012


The mother of a famed disappearance victim warned Augusta Preparatory Day School students Friday about the dangers of overseas travel.

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Read more:
http://newstimes.augusta.com/news/2012-02-24/holloway-warns-teens-about-travel-dangers



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Post by: Tamikosmom on February 24, 2012, 11:15:26 PM


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Post by: texasmom on February 24, 2012, 11:48:59 PM
Hi Milie, I heard these rumors too of a shootout between the men in the car and police. Alot of rumor when it first happened. I think that's what happens with too many people reporting the news.
My neighbor who works for aduana told us today what you have heard. The "perps' didn't have weapons in the car, BUT the vehicle involved was being watched by police in an ongoing police sting of some kind. (Drugs) and involved USDA as well. My neighbor also heard these guys had borrowed the car, and perhaps, in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think time will tell.

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 ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=87863&start=15

I read that they borrowed the car too, I think it was on 24ora iirc where the person that owned the car made some comments...pretty sure at least one of the houses that the drugs were found was where the car had been recently too.

I could be wrong but I don't think they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.  I really hope not, that would be horrible!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

The other guy (Quandt) that was arrested, not in the car but from some reports inside the mall at the time of the shooting, may be extradited to the U. S. from what one of the reports said.  So I really think they were all there together...for a major drug deal.  At least three cars were towed from the scene so I'm wondering if there were others too that we haven't read about yet.

And yes, there were a lot of rumors...   ::MonkeyWink::

https://www.facebook.com/jairob

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Dilma Arends Geerman April, there was a failed attempt for a major heist here in Aruba, and the police shot down two of the alleged armed criminals. Unofficial sources claim they are Colombians who came in as tourists...And of course, some people, rightfully upset with what happened, started attacking all Colombians, Venezuelans etc...And THAT is unacceptable. What Jairo stated is that a few rotten apples cannot damage the reputation of law abiding citizens who have contributed greatly to Aruba. And he is totally right. But I guess once the emotions calm down, people will come to their senses....
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Post by: texasmom on February 24, 2012, 11:50:34 PM
http://newstimes.augusta.com/news/2012-02-24/holloway-warns-teens-about-travel-dangers


Holloway warns teens about travel dangers

Posted: February 24, 2012 - 4:40pm

By Donnie Fetter

Columbia County Bureau Chief

The mother of a famed disappearance victim warned Augusta Preparatory Day School students Friday about the dangers of overseas travel.

“One thing I will do is carry her story for the rest of my life,” Beth Holloway said of Natalee Holloway in a video clip she played prior to a speech to the Martinez private school’s high school students.

Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005 during a graduation trip to Aruba with classmates from Mountain Brook High School in Alabama.

The main suspect in her disappearance, Dutch citizen Joran Van der Sloot, twice was arrested and questioned by Aruban authorities, but never charged.

Last month, Van der Sloot plead guilty in Peru to murdering 21-year-old businesswoman Stephany Flores on May 30, 2010, the fifth anniversary of Natalee’s disappearance. He was sentenced to 28 years in prison.

Van der Sloot also faces a wire fraud charge in Alabama after he tried to bribe Beth Holloway to tell her the whereabouts of Natalee’s body.

The day after Van der Sloot’s guilty plea in Peru, an Alabama judge declared Natalee dead at the request of her father, Dave Holloway. Beth Holloway opposed the declaration.

Holloway said Friday she believes Van der Sloot “kidnapped and murdered” her daughter by overdosing her drink with a date rape drug at a seaside nightclub the night before she was scheduled to return home.

Immediately following Natalee’s disappearance, Holloway said she traveled to Aruba and followed any lead given her. With little help from local authorities, Holloway said she even visited crack houses and brothels looking for her daughter.

“The panic I was trying to suppress was beginning to take hold,” she said after four days of searching.

During her ordeal, Holloway said she learned that American tourists often are targeted by criminals. Men and women, especially teens, visiting Aruba are lured to crack houses, drugged and robbed.

Often, Holloway said, tourists are held against their will until their credit cards are maxed out and then released.

To help future teen travelers to overseas destinations, Holloway founded Mayday360.com. The site offers information on electronic travel storage, a list of U.S. embassies and consulates, locations to get medical and legal assistance, an emergency help line, a beacon application for smartphones, and more.

Also, Holloway warned that travelers should activate international calling on cell phones before leaving, keep travel itineraries secret, don’t overindulge in alcohol, never leave a drink unattended, be aware of surroundings, and make a plan with friends to meet up at a specific spot at a specific time before leaving any location.

“You are your own best protection,” Holloway said.
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Post by: texasmom on February 25, 2012, 12:59:21 AM
http://chronicle.augusta.com/latest-news/2012-02-24/holloway-warns-teens-about-travel-dangers

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JIM BLAYLOCK/STAFF
Beth Holloway (center), the mother of Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in Aruba while on her senior trip, poses with Augusta Prep students after speaking to the high school seniors.


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Post by: texasmom on February 25, 2012, 01:40:23 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/43734-famia-ta-acusa-polis-na-aruba-di-a-asesina-hendenan-inocente.html

Papiamentu translation:

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family is acusa police at aruba of owing to asesina hendenan inocente

friday, 24 february 2012 21:46

one of the señoranan of esnan cu police owing to throw kill diaranzon already end is at aruba. the another madam y his son owing to arrive aruba diahuebs. they owing to come busca right of the curpa of the defuntonan for so hibanan colombia for they wordo bury. they owing to beat at door of police cu owing to let know cu they will wordo calling so they stay cla.

still they not owing to tell what day will entrega the curpa y this is place the family achieve one angry because they're feel cu in 2 trip 24 hour was sufficient for haci the autopsia necesario. both is inocente y desarma. never formerly they was have problem cu husticia. so both family owing to tell cu one tone much strong abroad of ministerio publico. why have to owing to throw more cu 60 tiro for kill we casa y father? the family owing to go for try achieve the first declaracionnan for of fiscal but mucho they not owing to succeed. they wanted give both one burial digno at colombia. is hombernan cu was work in construccion according the family y they was cria they family also. owing to show the son cu seems owing to achieve drugs in car. past owing to let know cu if is so then have to show the drugs. they owing to show of do not believe storia more of police because at first instant police owing to tell cu owing to being throw on they. after owing to resulta cu not owing to achieve none type of arm. pesey they're cataloga thing owing to sosode because; one asesinato. one asesinato on two inocente.

all the time at colombia caracol news the canal of television colombiano have atencion for her caso here. colombianonan at aruba self arrive at the family owing to calling the television cu at his file owing to busca contacto cu his coresponsalnan at aruba. the family owing to splica cu they will go till even corte internacional of derecho human. now here self they not have coin for take away the curpa. in cierto form they're tilda also prensa y the people cu owing to elogia police hour cu the caso owing to sosode but now cu owing to throw person inocente everybody owing to stay keto. the form cu owing to acusa both victima kill for police is place the family in one luz negative y dificilmente can acerca the compatriotanan for ask sosten financiero for pay the transporte of the curpanan for colombia. will work on some declaracion more proximamente on thing the family owing to tell after of owing to end of leave for of ministerio publico. come across


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Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2012, 01:43:35 AM
Killings, drug trafficking, cover-ups...Anything changed? Same people, same players.


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Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2012, 02:57:32 AM
NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

JUSTICE IS COMING

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED

AND...

HOW DO I KNOW?

I KEEPTHEFAITH

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THERE ARE 2 MANY ANGELS...RIGHT PEACHES?


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Post by: Keepthefaith on February 25, 2012, 02:58:59 AM
STEPHANY...NOT STEPHANIE... ::monkeywine2::


Fixed = San


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 25, 2012, 11:02:46 AM
Holloway warns teens about travel dangers
Natalee Holloway’s mother recalls ordeal after daughter went missing
Posted: February 24, 2012


The mother of a famed disappearance victim warned Augusta Preparatory Day School students Friday about the dangers of overseas travel.

<snipped>

Read more:
http://newstimes.augusta.com/news/2012-02-24/holloway-warns-teens-about-travel-dangers



I think this may be a video of Beth speaking to the students of Augusta Prep yesterday.  I cannot access it.  Sometime videos are not available in Canada.

Janet
8:00 AM PT

+++++

Natalee Holloway mom shares story with students
Posted: Feb 24, 2012 7:23 PM PST


http://www.wfxg.com/story/17015485/natalie-holloway-mom-shares-story-with-students


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Post by: texasmom on February 25, 2012, 11:13:16 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/43745-director-di-cea-deteni-bou-influencia-di-alcohol.html

Papiamentu translation:

director of cea deteni under influencia of alcohol

saturday, 25 february 2012 10:01

dennis rombley, cu by some time end is at cabes of cuerpo especial aruban, owing to stay deteni today more or less 1or of marduga after of owing to strike cu the car of gobierno at height of bridge of telearuba at pos diminutive. past owing to blow y owing to constata cu the level of alcohol was on 800 ugl enbes of 220 cu is permisibel for ley.

is for of more trempan end the was biniendo in the dienst-auto hyundai santa confidence of number a-341 y was core "zig- zag" on caminda. automobilistanan owing to calling police at once y according we fuentenan, central owing to avisa on radio of police for patrol of san nicolas bay come across cu the car here at once for evita one desgracia. the patrol owing to tarda one eternidad y even is doubt his the was give his posicion exact, because cada times cu puntre the was more far for of the sitio.

all the time dennis rombley owing to core happen in several district owing to even descend one rato at iceberg savaneta y after follow, but still police of san nicolas not had end of arrive. till cu owing to send calling polisnan of santa cruz for come give one hand but owing to arrive mucho late.

after of leave for of iceberg, the boss of cea did take the caminda inside y so owing to come strike cu his car in one tree of luz after of the bridge of telearuba at pos diminutive. past owing to resulta levemente injury, while cu the car owing to ricibi much damage self. at the sitio polisnan owing to lag'e blow for controla the level of alcohol in his breath y owing to constata cu the is more of 4 trip the cantidad permiti. of acuerdo cu the ex militar y actual boss of cea, is only 2 drink past owing to strike. police owing to atende at the sitio self on his responsabilidad because; boss of one departamento of husticia y coriendo car of gobierno marduga below ; influencia of alcohol.

cuerpo especial aruban is one departamento cu more of 180 employee of cual one seccion elite is arm y even have podernan policial extra ordinario. cea is cuida edificionan of gobierno, is cuida y atende cu everybody bishitando we corte, kabinete of governor, conseho of minister y others. also the same cuerpo here is cuida the edificio of kia for evita cu none person or obheto/substancia prohibi can enter the institute coreccional. near of esey cea is encarga cu transporte of all detenido at aruba, tanto for of kia self because; also for of wardanan of police.

dennis rombley have enough year end trahando at cea y owing to know of crece in his posicion till arrive at the function maximo. the is conoci for is one person integro y intachabel, specialmente debi at his preparacion y carera in servicio militar of we country. the susedido of today marduga assure do not one good ehempel neither for his empleadonan y assure not for we comunidad!

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Post by: texasmom on February 25, 2012, 12:36:04 PM
http://web.thedailyherald.com/islands/1-islands-news/25647-suspects-killed-were-unarmed-.html

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Post by: jamcakes on February 25, 2012, 01:17:08 PM
http://web.thedailyherald.com/islands/1-islands-news/25647-suspects-killed-were-unarmed-.html

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Just another reason to not visit One Happy island!


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Post by: texasmom on February 25, 2012, 02:03:58 PM
I agree Jamcakes! 

An article in one of the Colombian papers says it was a big mistake and that the suspects the police were supposedly after were Puerto Ricans!

Doesn't quite explain the large quantity of cocaine though, or maybe it's not uncommon there to have a few kilo's laying around the house or in your car!

 ::MonkeyEek::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1510927#msg1510927

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Quote
"The news we received from the authorities of the island is that they were wrong, because according to intelligence work, were waiting for two Puerto Ricans. Many people were outraged by what happened in view were good, hardworking people," a close to the family that resides in Santa Marta, preferring anonymity.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 25, 2012, 04:14:26 PM
The picture of the cocaine, in the one photo, was listed as "file photo".

What I notice is that Taco Stein, at first said no DEA was involved.  Now that it was a screw up, the USA/ DEA requested/directed everything.  Sheesh..


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 25, 2012, 05:21:19 PM
It is all Dutch to me and ... all Dutch to my Dutch-American DIL.  However ... the article appears to be covering the first NHRC's fundraising.

Almost seven years have come and gone and Beth Holloway is still a force that Holland/Aruba has to deal with.  If the Dutch/Aruban "powers that be" who were behind the coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway thought for one minute that the case would in time become a distance memory ... they should have thought again.

Janet

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Beth Holloway waarschuwt voor reizen

AMSTERDAM - De moeder van de verdwenen Natalee Holloway heeft de leerlingen van een Amerikaanse school vrijdag gewaarschuwd voor 'de gevaren' van reizen naar het buitenland. Vooral op Aruba lopen tieners gevaar om bijvoorbeeld gedrogeerd en beroofd te worden, zei ze vrijdag volgens lokale Amerikaanse media.

Beth Holloway deed haar uitspraken op de Augusta Preparatory Day School in de staat Georgia. Volgens Holloway zijn Amerikaanse toeristen in het buitenland vaak slachtoffer van criminelen. Holloway heeft een website geopend, mayday360.com, om tieners die in het buitenland reizen te helpen.

De 18-jarige Natalee verdween in mei 2005 op Aruba. Ondanks uitgebreide zoektochten naar het meisje is haar lichaam nooit gevonden. Joran van der Sloot, die in januari in Peru tot 28 jaar cel werd veroordeeld voor de moord op de 21-jarige Stephany Flores, geldt als hoofdverdachte in de verdwijningszaak.

Een dag na de veroordeling van Van der Sloot werd Natelee Holloway door een Amerikaanse rechter officieel doodverklaard. Beth Holloway vertelde de scholieren dat zij er zeker van is dat Van der Sloot haar dochter heeft meegelokt en vermoord.

geplaatst: 25-02-2012 - 18.00

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http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2012/februari/25/beth-holloway-waarschuwt-voor-reizen


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Post by: jamcakes on February 25, 2012, 05:51:50 PM
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/DutchPrince.jpg)

Dutch prince who was struck by avalanche may not regain consciousness

AMSTERDAM –  A Dutch prince hit by an avalanche while skiing off-trail in Austria last week suffered massive brain damage and may never regain consciousness, his doctors said Friday.

 ::snipping2::
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/02/24/dutch-prince-who-was-struck-by-avalanche-may-not-regain-consciousness/?intcmp=obnetwork

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He looks a bit like Paulus, eh?





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Post by: Tibrogargan on February 25, 2012, 07:27:30 PM
http://www.wfxg.com/story/17015485/natalie-holloway-mom-shares-story-with-students

Video plays OK here.  Lasts for 1.18 mins and only two very short segments of Beth being interviewed outside the auditorium.  The rest is interview with a student and a general review by the announcer.  Good to see Beth looking well and promoting this necessary reminder to all young people (and not so young) who travel to unsafe areas.


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Post by: texasmom on February 25, 2012, 07:33:11 PM
http://www.wfxg.com/story/17015485/natalie-holloway-mom-shares-story-with-students

Video plays OK here.  Lasts for 1.18 mins and only two very short segments of Beth being interviewed outside the auditorium.  The rest is interview with a student and a general review by the announcer.  Good to see Beth looking well and promoting this necessary reminder to all young people (and not so young) who travel to unsafe areas.

Thanks Tibro!   ::MonkeyKiss::


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Post by: Anna on February 25, 2012, 08:11:05 PM
http://web.thedailyherald.com/islands/1-islands-news/25647-suspects-killed-were-unarmed-.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/02252012_01.png)



 ::MonkeyShocked::


This is pretty bad even by Aruban standards! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 25, 2012, 08:32:08 PM
Janet, here's the translation of your article.  :)

http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2012/februari/25/beth-holloway-waarschuwt-voor-reizen

Google translation

Beth Holloway warns against travel

AMSTERDAM - The mother of missing Natalee Holloway, the American students at a school Friday warned of the "dangers" of traveling abroad. Especially in Aruba running hazard, for example, teens drugged and robbed, she said Friday, according to local U.S. media.

Beth made ​​her statements at the Augusta Preparatory Day School in the State of Georgia. According to Holloway American tourists abroad are often victims of criminals. Holloway has launched a website, mayday360.com to teenagers who are traveling abroad to help.

The 18-year-old Natalee disappeared in Aruba in May 2005. Despite extensive searches for the girl, her body never found. Joran van der Sloot, who in January in Peru to 28 years in prison was convicted for the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores, is considered the prime suspect in the disappearance case.

One day after the conviction of Van der Sloot was Natelee Holloway by a U.S. judge officially declared dead. Beth Holloway told the students that it is certain that Van der Sloot has lured and murdered her daughter.

 posted:
 02.25.2012 - 18.00
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 25, 2012, 11:32:14 PM
http://www.wfxg.com/story/17015485/natalie-holloway-mom-shares-story-with-students

Video plays OK here.  Lasts for 1.18 mins and only two very short segments of Beth being interviewed outside the auditorium.  The rest is interview with a student and a general review by the announcer.  Good to see Beth looking well and promoting this necessary reminder to all young people (and not so young) who travel to unsafe areas.

Thanks Grace.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2012, 03:56:47 AM
STEPHANY...NOT STEPHANIE... ::monkeywine2::


Fixed = San

Thank you San.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 26, 2012, 04:06:08 AM
After having done some reading on infectious diseases, a very plausible way that URINE could end up having his justice doled out to him would be in the form of Tuberculosis. This is a very ugly disease and has been more prevelant in third world countries. Especially in some of the prison systems where infectious diseases can spread very easily because of the environments. I bring this up because the material I've read about Dr. Paul Farmer and his organization, talks about his work on TB in Peru. Especially highly resistant strains of TB. Just a thought Monkey's.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 26, 2012, 09:08:16 AM
After having done some reading on infectious diseases, a very plausible way that URINE could end up having his justice doled out to him would be in the form of Tuberculosis. This is a very ugly disease and has been more prevelant in third world countries. Especially in some of the prison systems where infectious diseases can spread very easily because of the environments. I bring this up because the material I've read about Dr. Paul Farmer and his organization, talks about his work on TB in Peru. Especially highly resistant strains of TB. Just a thought Monkey's.... ::MonkeyCool::

Quote
jamcakes
Scared Monkey
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Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 -
« Reply #901 on: February 04, 2012, 03:14:05 PM »

  ::snipping2::

2010 Human Rights Report: Peru

 

Prison conditions were harsh for most of the country's 45,599 inmates, of whom 2,784 were women, 985 were juveniles ages 18-19 years. The National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) operates 57 of the country's active prisons, while the Peruvian National Police (PNP) has jurisdiction over 14. Prisoners with money had access to cell phones, illegal drugs, and meals prepared outside the prison; prisoners who lacked funds experienced much more difficult conditions. Overcrowding, poor sanitation, and inadequate nutrition and health care were serious problems. Inmates had intermittent access to running water, bathing facilities were inadequate, kitchen facilities were unhygienic, and prisoners slept in hallways and common areas for lack of cell space. There was basic medical care at most prisons, but there were complaints that inmates had to pay for medical attention. There was also a lack of doctors; only 54 doctors worked at the country's 71 prisons, with 34 based in the capital city area. Tuberculosis and HIV/AIDS reportedly remained at near-epidemic levels. The San Juan de Lurigancho men's prison held 8,730 prisoners in a facility designed for 3,204.

 

Prison guards and fellow inmates reportedly abused prisoners. Guards received little or no training or supervision. There were killings in prisons, most attributed to fellow inmates. In addition, during a December inspection in Lurigancho prison, authorities found the body of Leslie Dayan Paredes, a visitor, in the cell of her boyfriend. The inmate, Jackson Sanford Staling Conket, confessed to killing Dayan and hiding her body when she visited him in August, and authorities suspended police personnel for failing to notice that she never checked out of the prison.

 
http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/wha/154516.htm


I agree KeeptheFaith.  It's very plausible.  Maybe he would get TB and HIV!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 26, 2012, 10:55:54 AM
Janet, here's the translation of your article.  :)

http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2012/februari/25/beth-holloway-waarschuwt-voor-reizen

Google translation

Beth Holloway warns against travel

AMSTERDAM - The mother of missing Natalee Holloway, the American students at a school Friday warned of the "dangers" of traveling abroad. Especially in Aruba running hazard, for example, teens drugged and robbed, she said Friday, according to local U.S. media.

Beth made ​​her statements at the Augusta Preparatory Day School in the State of Georgia. According to Holloway American tourists abroad are often victims of criminals. Holloway has launched a website, mayday360.com to teenagers who are traveling abroad to help.

The 18-year-old Natalee disappeared in Aruba in May 2005. Despite extensive searches for the girl, her body never found. Joran van der Sloot, who in January in Peru to 28 years in prison was convicted for the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores, is considered the prime suspect in the disappearance case.

One day after the conviction of Van der Sloot was Natelee Holloway by a U.S. judge officially declared dead. Beth Holloway told the students that it is certain that Van der Sloot has lured and murdered her daughter.

 posted:
 02.25.2012 - 18.00
 ::snipping2::


Thanks for the translation of the article Grace.

Thanks for the overview of the video Tibrogargan.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2012, 12:32:23 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 27, 2012, 01:06:53 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3205022/2012/02/27/Moeder-Holloway-wijst-tieners-op-reisgevaren.dhtml

Google translation

Monday, February 27, 2012
Mother Holloway indicates teenagers on trip hazards

The mother of Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old teenager who during a vacation in Aruba vanished, children now points to the dangers of sea travel.

"I carry her story to the rest of my life with me," said Beth Holloway today, while images of Natalee showed to students of American Augusta Preparatory School. Writes that the local newspaper, The Augusta Chronicle.

The main suspect in the case of missing Natalee, Joran van der Sloot, was twice arrested and interrogated by Aruban authorities, but never convicted. Last month he confessed to be guilty of the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores on May 30, 2010, exactly 5 years after Natalee disappeared. In this case, he is condemned to 28 years in prison.

According to Holloway Joran has her daughter kidnapped and murdered, after he had her drugged in a nightclub by the sea. At the school Beth described how she immediately traveled to Aruba after Natalee disappearance and a search began along each track but could lead somewhere.

criminals
"The panic began to control me, Natalee told her mother about four-day search. With a little help from local authorities visited them even where crack houses and brothels was used. She found that tourists are often targeted by criminals. Men and women, especially teenagers, visit Aruba and then drugged and robbed.

Often tourists are held until their credit cards are completely emptied, warned Beth also. The mother of the girl never returned is a website started those teenagers who want to travel overseas, to help. On Mayday360 young people can find travel information. There is also a list of U.S. embassies and consulates and locations for medical help.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2012, 05:42:06 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/43815-curpanan-duna-liber.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2012.feb.27.om.jpg)

curpanan give pound

monday, 27 february 2012 16:55

relaciona cu the accion of detencion of cuerpo policial of aruba on 20 of feburary 2012, caminda two sospechoso owing to fayece, ministerio publico is informa cu the restonan deadly of the personanan here owing to wordo entrega at the famianan.

ministerio publico is considera besides important for informa cu in the car in cual the sospechosonan cu owing to fayece was sit on the day provided that cuestion, owing to wordo achieve diesdos (12) kilo of cocaine. in one cas in cual the self day ey owing to haci huiszoeking (search) owing to achieve diesun (11) kilo of cocaine.

ministerio publico is informa alavez cu one of the sospechosonan cu owing to fayece, owing to wordo condena in pasado at aruba for crimen of drugs y owing to sit one castigo of jail for this at aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Ono on February 27, 2012, 06:47:43 PM
http://chronicle.augusta.com/latest-news/2012-02-24/holloway-warns-teens-about-travel-dangers

 ::snipping2::

(http://chronicle.augusta.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/superphoto/10946429.jpg)
JIM BLAYLOCK/STAFF
Beth Holloway (center), the mother of Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in Aruba while on her senior trip, poses with Augusta Prep students after speaking to the high school seniors.


Beautiful picture!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2012, 06:51:10 PM
I agree Ono!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2012, 07:05:53 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/43700-kawish-misier-y-donald-anthony-bislip-ta-cla-pa-join-e-delegacion-dia-4-di-maart-awor.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/02242012_KawishMisier_DonaldAnthonyBislip-1.jpg)

kawish misier y donald anthony bislip is cla for join the delegacion day 4 of march now

friday, 24 february 2012 09:28

diahuebs, day 23 of feburary aruba bank conhuntamente cu atia owing to anuncia the ganadornan of the competencia exitoso among young entrepeneur of mission2brazil at aruba bank camacuri. for two week largo the young entrepreneurs had the oportunidad for realisa they plan cu is contene they idea of haci business cu brazil.

the plan of business have to is inovativo, creativo y sostenibel, for so achieve the chens for earn the trade mission cu will take lugar at sao paolo - brazil in the period of 4 till cu 9 of march proximo.

inicialmente aruba bank owing to anuncia cu will owing to scohe one ganador, but door of the cantidad of registracion ricibi y more important still the calidad of the plannan, aruba bank owing to scohe two ganador for so give oportunidad for two young entrepreneur join the mission2brazil.

one cuerpo of jury consistiendo of profesional y expertonan local owing to evalua the plannan y owing to scohe the top 5 plannan for of cual finalmente owing to scohe the two ganadornan.

aruba bank together cu atia owing to invita y gradici all participante for they dedicacion y they participacion at the competencia here.

during the nightfall here, owing to take away word julisa arends-hoevertsz, office manager of atia, shanoulle bikker, manager marketing & pr of aruba bank y gina habibe, senior manager corporate credit aruba bank, kendenan owing to felicita the ganadornan of the competencia aki:

the young entrepeneurnan cu owing to earn cu they plan of business of mission2brazil is 1: kawish misier 2: donald anthony bislip

alavez owing to jama the young entrepreneur ganadornan welcome in the delegacion of aruba cu will is biahando day 4 of march proximo, cu 30 agent of aruba for so asisti at the “trade mission2brazil”. kawish misier y donald anthony bislip will join the delegacion for sao paolo – brazil, for so can close conoci cu key-partners in business at sao paolo – brazil.

aruba bank together cu atia owing to diseña one declaration of policy interesting cu presentacionnan of expertonan of aruba y brazil in various ramo y alabez will have oportunidad of close conoci cu key- partners y partnernan potencial in they ramo of business for haci business cune at sao – paolo brazil. aruba bank & atia is gradici all young entrepreneurs cu owing to participa for they dedicacion y good ideanan present during the competencia of mission2brazil. come across


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Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2012, 07:10:33 PM
http://www.arubabank.com/

Mission2Brazil Young Entrepreneurs Challenge - February 06, 2012
Mission2Brazil Young Entrepreneur Challenge

Congratulations to the Mission2Brazil Challenge winners Kawish Misier and Donald Anthony Bislip, who are joining Aruba's delegation on the "Trade Mission2Brazil" on March 4 - 9, 2012. Thank you to all participants for your efforts and great plans!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 27, 2012, 07:17:18 PM
I agree Ono!   ::MonkeyCool::

I agree...I will never understand how she does it...but I am glad she does and can carry the message on.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2012, 09:20:32 PM
I agree Ono!   ::MonkeyCool::

I agree...I will never understand how she does it...but I am glad she does and can carry the message on.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2012, 09:26:41 PM
http://www.topnewsreports.com/1234/feb12/report001.html


A Footnote About Joran van der Sloot


By Meri Ulrich
Feb. 27, 2012

Many years ago I wrote an article here for UK about Joran van der Sloot. It was early in the Natalee Holloway investigation and Joran looked like the perfect suspect in Natalee's disappearance. After much press and a lot of speculation, the investigation went nowhere and Joran was never charged with Natalee's death or disappearance. Joran went free to commit other heinous crimes because Aruba couldn't or wouldn't lock him up for good.

As we all know, Joran killed again; this time a young woman in Peru named Stephanie Flores. It was a brutal death and at last, Joran was caught and jailed. It wasn't an easy road to last Friday when Joran was sentenced to 28 years for murdering Stephanie and was filled with the usual lies, false confessions and sociopathic antics that one can expect from Joran. It also wasn't a just or fitting sentence for such a brutal crime committed by such an inhuman monster.

Those of us who have followed Joran's progress from so-called wholesome Dutch boy to killer of women came to expect his shameless lies and unremorseful behavior. For those who are new to the world of Joran and his responses and actions during the televised supposed "sincere confession" and eventual ruling made by the three judge panel who decided his fate in Peru there may have been some surprises at how cold and "insincere" he was.

I was one of the first (if not the very first) to declare Joran van der Sloot a sociopath and I took a lot of heat for doing it. I have studied people like Joran for many years and I knew immediately what he was and will always be. I knew that he would continue to murder and inflict pain on many innocent people for as long as he was free. I would not change a word of what I wrote about Joran on this site. No amount of criticism or hate could or would have changed my mind and my only regret is that nothing that I said could make the Aruban authorities see what Joran was, therefore allowing him to go out and kill yet another innocent girl. 
::snipping2::

This brings me full circle to the order that a judge issued a few days ago declaring Natalee Holloway officially dead. I was saddened by Natalee's disappearance, angered by the knowledge that Joran had killed her and disposed of her body and horrified that her parents would never be able to bury her in her home country and to say a proper goodbye to the daughter they loved so much and had such high hopes for. I stopped blogging about Natalee because there was nothing more to say that hadn't been said already and decided that I personally needed to move on. Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway will never have that luxury. Even though Natalee has been declared dead and we all know who is responsible for her demise, nothing will change their pain. There will always be an incompleteness in their lives no matter what the future holds. Joran made sure of that and he will never pay the price for what he did. He will never take responsibility or be punished for what happened to Natalee Holloway and that fact alone has made me want to blog about Joran's current status.

I will end this the way I started that long ago blog and state for the record that Joran van der Sloot is a sociopathic monster and he will never change. Natalee was a young, lovely girl who will be remembered for the wonderful person she was and the even greater woman she would have become had she lived.

Natalee's legacy is that she died with a pure heart and a lovely soul unlike the legacy of Joran van der Sloot who will ALWAYS be remembered as the inhuman monster that he is.


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Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2012, 11:24:49 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/43826-23-kilo-di-cocaina-den-dealmento-di-droga-cual-12-haya-den-terios-berde.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2012.feb.23.dos_morto.front.jpg)

23 kilo of cocaina in dealmento of drugs cual 12 achieve in terios berde

monday, 27 february 2012 21:00

investigacion in the caso of the two colombianonan throw for police not owing to termina still. while cu the family is sclama for inocencia of they being keri some poco the berdad is saliendo at cla cu both is conoci of husticia at aruba.

benjamin owing to arrive of wordo deporta y is back at aruba. alcides was close end for pocision of drugs y owing to sit his castigo at kia. after past owing to wordo expulsa for of aruba y is back on we island. angelo peralta son owing to expresa fuertmente cu aruba or gobierno have to go pay. they're biniendo cu one demanda via one advocate for her damage cu they owing to abide because is two person inocente they owing to throw kill. they does not believe cu was have drugs in car. day cu they owing to wordo throw was just after of one dealmento of drugs. in the terios was have 12 kilo of cocaina y in one apartment relaciona cu same caso owing to achieve another 11 kilo. overall 23 kilo the hendenan here was have in they power. family owing to tell cu never benjamin or alcides owing to arrive of cay close or was have cualkier prolbema cu husticia.

at puerto estrella colombia also have a cu owing to being throw kill proecedente of corsow. is one figure conoci in low world. seems cu just two day after police colombiano owing to throw the dutch here of corsow kill. at costa of venezuela also owing to coy one cargamento of 900 kilo of drugs. all cos is draai casi simultaneamente hour cu dea is in the area here siguiendo pasonan of some person in low world among another the dosnan cu owing to being throw kill at aruba cu 12 kilo of cocaina in the car cu they owing to lend for busca casa of one of they at doctor. come across


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Post by: texasmom on February 27, 2012, 11:39:35 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/43812-kustwacht-ta-coy-boto-cu-13-illegal.html

Papiamentu translation:

11 colombiano cu wanted owing to enter aruba via boat grab for kustwacht

monday, 27 february 2012 14:50

kustwacht owing to evita one contrabando of 11 person cu wanted owing to enter we island in form clandestino. was in oranan of marduga monday cu owing to capta one senjal on radar. at once the unidad of kustwacht owing to actuate in direccion of the boat y owing to come come across cu this yegando costa of aruba.

owing to go over at obliga the boat desvia at once direccion of platform at savaneta where kustwacht have his base. all 11 ilegal cu wanted owing to enter aruba owing to stay deteni. the capitan y his ayudante also owing to stay deteni.

now the ley owing to change y contrabando of person have castigo on dje. have several person cu owing to arrive of wordo sentencia in pasado for her same type of contrabandonan here. also in pasado the same botonan here owing to arrive of wordo achieve cu arm y drugs purbando of trece illegalnan we island. now the 11 ilegalnan will wordo deporta because the capitan y his ayudante if will stay close.

the capitan y his ayudante is venezolano y the remainder 11 cu wanted owing to enter aruba was colombiano. is deal of 9 man y two muher. of the 11 personanan 5 owing to arrive of wordo deporta end in pasado. among the ilegalnan was have also one sospechoso busca for atraco cu owing to huy but owing to try enter aruba bek monday marduga via boat. this is the first name y inicial of surname of the colombianonan deteni marduga: valley casting c, simancas gonzales and, macias padilla n, riascos riascos the, cordoba riascos g, caicedo and, paz cuero and, de la hoz visbal m, vizciano iriarte d cu is being sospecha of atraco, candelo m, y moran d.

all will wordo deporta bek for colombia kizas via barco self. all the time they will stay close.


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Post by: texasmom on February 28, 2012, 12:07:15 AM
http://www.awe24.com/20120227/9942/Ambos_Colombiano_tin_historia_criminal_na_Aruba_y_nan_a_ser_considera_peligroso

Papiamentu translation:

both colombiano have history criminal at aruba y they owing to being considera dangerous

(http://ba2.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/9942/1_1330381104.jpg)

13 hora happen come across, 27 of feburary 2012 11:00

relaciona cu the caso where 2 colombiano owing to fayece during one accion judicial, we owing to succeed saca afo cu both was have history criminal, one was envolvi in one caso of traficacion of 7 kilo of heroin. ela being sentencia y deporta for of aruba at 2003. while the another owing to being deteni during of investigacion of one caso of tiramento (shooting) at madiki where the was esun cu owing to sell entrega the arm at esun cu owing to dispara. the is esun cu is on the photograph here cu owing to leave publica on the website awe24.com at december 2010.

comunicado emiti door of ministerio publico:

curpanan give pound

relaciona cu the accion of detencion of cuerpo policial of aruba on 20 of feburary 2012, caminda two sospechoso owing to fayece, ministerio publico is informa cu the restonan deadly of the personanan here owing to wordo entrega at the famianan. ministerio publico is considera besides important for informa cu in the car in cual the sospechosonan cu owing to fayece was sit on the day provided that cuestion, owing to wordo achieve diesdos (12) kilo of cocaine. in one cas in cual the self day ey owing to haci huiszoeking owing to achieve diesun (11) kilo of cocaine. ministerio publico is informa alavez cu one of the sospechosonan cu owing to fayece, owing to wordo condena in pasado at aruba for crimen of drugs y owing to sit one castigo of jail for this at aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 28, 2012, 12:46:44 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/43826-23-kilo-di-cocaina-den-dealmento-di-droga-cual-12-haya-den-terios-berde.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2012.feb.23.dos_morto.front.jpg)

23 kilo of cocaina in dealmento of drugs cual 12 achieve in terios berde

monday, 27 february 2012 21:00

investigacion in the caso of the two colombianonan throw for police not owing to termina still. while cu the family is sclama for inocencia of they being keri some poco the berdad is saliendo at cla cu both is conoci of husticia at aruba.

benjamin owing to arrive of wordo deporta y is back at aruba. alcides was close end for pocision of drugs y owing to sit his castigo at kia. after past owing to wordo expulsa for of aruba y is back on we island. angelo peralta son owing to expresa fuertmente cu aruba or gobierno have to go pay. they're biniendo cu one demanda via one advocate for her damage cu they owing to abide because is two person inocente they owing to throw kill. they does not believe cu was have drugs in car. day cu they owing to wordo throw was just after of one dealmento of drugs. in the terios was have 12 kilo of cocaina y in one apartment relaciona cu same caso owing to achieve another 11 kilo. overall 23 kilo the hendenan here was have in they power. family owing to tell cu never benjamin or alcides owing to arrive of cay close or was have cualkier prolbema cu husticia.

at puerto estrella colombia also have a cu owing to being throw kill proecedente of corsow. is one figure conoci in low world. seems cu just two day after police colombiano owing to throw the dutch here of corsow kill. at costa of venezuela also owing to coy one cargamento of 900 kilo of drugs. all cos is draai casi simultaneamente hour cu dea is in the area here siguiendo pasonan of some person in low world among another the dosnan cu owing to being throw kill at aruba cu 12 kilo of cocaina in the car cu they owing to lend for busca casa of one of they at doctor. come across

I'd read this article about the 900 kilos of cocaine in Colombia when I was looking at articles right after the shooting.  I was curious as to the location of this bust, so I used google map and this is what I came up with.  I've said many times, I'm not a map person...but I thought the locations were interesting.

B. is where the men were originally from

(Google maps says about a 10 hour drive between these...by boat?)

A. is where the 900 kilos of cocaine was apprehended on Feb 15th

Look at that location and Aruba to the right...especially when you consider what the article states too.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/02272012_map.jpg)

http://www.el-informador.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32700:contundente-golpe-a-la-banda-criminal-qlos-urabenosq-en-la-alta-guajira&catid=77:la-guajira&Itemid=420

Google translation:

Crushing blow to the criminal gang "The Urabeños" in the Alta Guajira

WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 15, 2012 6:19

As a result of the development of Security Policy and Coexistence implemented by the National Police, the Narcotics Division through its Regional Issue 8, achieved the seizure of 900 Kilos of cocaine hydrochloride, in the vicinity of Puerto Estrella area Alta Guajira.

This important seizure was supported by the Navy and the Colombian Air Force, FAC, reiterating the commitment of combat forces in a joint counter-narcotics.

The seizure

Following information provided by "human sources", and verification thereof, within the parameters of activities of "intelligence" was able to confirm that yesterday criminals belonging to the criminal gang "The Urabeños" wanted out of the country a unspecified cocaine hydrochloride, in a boat like "Go Fast" who was ready to leave the coast of Puerto Estrella.

Thus, as on the one o'clock was specifically an "assault operation" in the Puerto Estrella, placing a boat on the beach "Go Fast" with two engines of 200 HP, which proceeds to inspect finding in inside 36 bales containing dusty, submitted to the Approved Preliminary Identification test, PIPH, testing positive for cocaine hydrochloride.

The net weight of cocaine was 900 kilo, which was to be transported by sea to Central America with final destination the United States where the shipment can cost $ 27 million.

Similarly, seized 900 gallons of fuel for the boat.


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Post by: texasmom on February 28, 2012, 01:22:29 AM
You can barely see the "a" on Santa Marta on the far left of the map I posted.  I took another screen shot so you can see it here.

Some of the articles I read said this is where the families planned to take the bodies of the men for burial.

Santa Marta is on the coast as well.

(There's another Santa Marta, in Bogota but it's about 16 hours further away from where they were originally from...you can see both Riohacha and Dibulla close in proximity to the Santa Marta seen here.)


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/02272012_map2.jpg)

http://www.el-informador.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=33043:policia-dijo-que-samario-y-guajiro-asesinados-en-aruba-se-desplazaban-con-droga&catid=72:sucesos&Itemid=416

Google translation:

Police said samarium and peasant killed in Aruba moved with drug

SUNDAY FEBRUARY 26, 2012 5:52

The policemen of Aruba, said they found cocaine in the vehicle where they moved the samarium and the peasant, who apparently had refused a requisition, a fact that brought about his death.

The two people who died were Benjamin Castro Aguirre 35, known as "Boy Can" and a native of Santa Marta and Peralta Alcides Pereira, 54 years old, born in Dibulla in La Guajira, requiring VAD and the media of the island.

Also said that in the living room where the deceased also found the psychoactive substance. It was learned here that the operation was conducted by members of the DEA and police in Aruba. In collaboration were also actions of the Colombian police.

http://www.loqueseoculta.informe25.com/2012/02/familiarnan-na-colombia-confirma-morto.html

Google translation:

SUNDAY FEBRUARY 26, 2012

(Aruba) Familiarnan Colombia to confirm morto na di Benjamin Alcides Castro and Peralta

Two Guajiro to lose it during enfrentamento bida nan cu cops

Oranjestad (AAN): While in Aruba cu tabata silence airtight tin and identity relates di cu e cu to two fayece personanan antayera and action resulting di di di cops against a criminal gang, nombernan tog e di e victimanan if known tabata give medionan Colombia.

E victimanan to be identified as Benjamin added 35 di Castro Aguirre, known cu "Boy Can" and native di Dibulla Riohacha. And another homber ta Alcides Pereira Peralta, 54 tambe di di Dibulla added.

E familiarnan na Colombia to confirmed and morto and two personanan di aki and nan ta cu sa laga den tramitenan pa na you cadavernan repatriation and Santa Marta, the city unda nan Worde dera.

According to report compiled DAILY cu, and victimanan miembronan ta na di famianan Hopi knowledge and Dibulla Riohacha. More datonan ta cu Peralta indicates a tabata tin yiu di 10 e tabata home added a lady di cu fam Mendoza. In-officially stated to be a cu and tin yiu tambe tabata Aruba. Castro Aguirre tabata junction biba give a muher liber di cu fam Padilla. SOURCE: http://www.diario.aw


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 28, 2012, 01:26:35 AM
The articles in the Colombian news sources...omg.   ::MonkeyEek::

Almost all are about drugs, murders, rapes, and more drugs.

Without even trying I found another almost 500 kilo's of cocaine bust!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Aruba probably does seem like "one happy island" to these people.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 28, 2012, 01:35:15 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 28, 2012, 10:14:58 AM
Grace ... maybe you could do your thing.  The following is another Dutch publication's report on Beth Holloway at Augusta Prep.

Thanks

Janet

+++++

Moeder Holloway wijst tieners op reisgevaren
27-02-12   13:53 uur

http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/225/BUITENLAND/article/detail/3205022/2012/02/27/Moeder-Holloway-wijst-tieners-op-reisgevaren.dhtml


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Post by: grace-land on February 28, 2012, 11:33:38 AM
http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/225/BUITENLAND/article/detail/3205022/2012/02/27/Moeder-Holloway-wijst-tieners-op-reisgevaren.dhtml

Google translation

Mother Holloway indicates teenagers on trip hazards
2/12/27 1:53 p.m. hours

The mother of Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old teenager who during a vacation in Aruba vanished, children now points to the dangers of sea travel.

"I carry her story to the rest of my life with me," said Beth Holloway today, while images of Natalee showed to students of American Augusta Preparatory School. Writes that the local newspaper, The Augusta Chronicle.

The main suspect in the case of missing Natalee, Joran van der Sloot, was twice arrested and interrogated by Aruban authorities, but never convicted. Last month he confessed to be guilty of the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores on May 30, 2010, exactly 5 years after Natalee disappeared. In this case, he is condemned to 28 years in prison.

According to Holloway Joran has her daughter kidnapped and murdered, after he had her drugged in a nightclub by the sea. At the school Beth described how she immediately traveled to Aruba after Natalee disappearance and a search began along each track but could lead somewhere.

criminals
"The panic began to control me, Natalee told her mother about four-day search. With a little help from local authorities visited them even where crack houses and brothels was used. She found that tourists are often targeted by criminals. Men and women, especially teenagers, visit Aruba and then drugged and robbed.

Often tourists are held until their credit cards are completely emptied, warned Beth also. The mother of the girl never returned is a website started those teenagers who want to travel overseas, to help. On Mayday360 young people can find travel information. There is also a list of U.S. embassies and consulates and locations for medical help.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 28, 2012, 12:58:16 PM
Thanks Grace

Youngest son's Dutch-American MIL and FIL dropped in for a quick visit on their way to a business appointment in Vancouver.  I accessed the forum for the link to the article so Hanke could translate for me but you had already come through.

Thanks again for the quick response.

I hope your day is good.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 29, 2012, 10:16:39 AM
A Dutch play based on Joran, Natalee & Beth with some literary license:

Google Translation:

"With Joran to sea" in Plaza Futura

Tuesday, February 7, 2012 | 8:05 | Last updated: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 | 10:37


News and imagination run through each other in 'Joran By the Sea' of Marine Jongewaard and Rob de Graaf.

Do not expect reconstruction. However, a true story where he then unleashed his imagination.

 ::snipping2::

The three characters express any personal view of reality in 'with Joran at Sea', on Thursday to see in Plaza Futura. The play was directed by De Graaf Marine Jongewaard, which together with the writer part of the company New West. Actress Sanne Vogel plays Natalee, Beth and Marjon Brandsma mother Wouter Zweers assume the role of Joran.

In order to refresh the memory we need to rewind to the evening of 30 May 2005. Natalee Ann Holloway (1986) celebrates with a group of American classmates vacation in Aruba and met during the night Joran van der Sloot (1987). She gets drunk and ends up with Van der Sloot on the beach. After that evening, no trace of her. On 12 January 2012, they officially declared dead. About the circumstances of her disappearance is still (and despite efforts include Peter R. de Vries) nothing is certain.

So far the facts.

"It seemed immediately attractive topic," says Rob de Graaf. "Everybody loves love, seduction, kitsch beauty of golden beaches in travel agency brochures. But of horror, murder and manslaughter. It has never been my ambition to make a documentary-like presentation of it. It's about the individual experience of those three people. They also have no contact, but all three tell their stories in monologues. They describe their lives as if they look at themselves with a camera. "

Especially the way the human drama quickly distorted into TV drama fascinates De Graaf.

"I was surprised about the performances of Natalee's mother, Beth, on news channel Fox. It is horrible that your daughter is gone, I want nothing to bring in course, but it seemed she cast was for that role. I try to understand how to get things unmentionable suffering to pack it in sound bites. order calculated to show grief. "

Natalie is also more than the pretty white girl cheerleader-like image that the media have created her.

"I Joran our piece manipulates her, but him as well. They attract each other in the fall, get loose in a game of power and seduction. She longs for freedom. Looking from the compression of the protection of her mother come. They has never learned to recognize evil, it's a girl that actually runs in seven locks simultaneously. In the piece is not that she makes it to yourself to be killed, but I also wanted Joran side of the story plausible it. "

For example, by the addition of striking personality sides. "I have not tried the real Joran mimic. Express not. I wanted to correct the fatal attraction between him and Natalee imagine. It's not Little Red Riding Hood and the wolf story. If I Joran the very first pervert had made I quickly finished talking on stage. That's totally not interesting to watch. "My" Joran is less diabolical. He is philosophical set, like Nietzsche. What do I do with the "real" Joran is matched, that he is not interested in others. He has contempt for the truth, tell stories to each other once at the center to stand. He finds himself a hero. It is dangerous to somewhere like that saying things about famous people, but as a writer must yourself that freedom award. I have not written to give people a moral to give, no. I am fascinated by how the world works. If it is somewhere a plea for would be, it is more tenderness, vulnerability and softness in our existence. "

http://www.ed.nl/uitcultuur/theater/10412022/Met-Joran-aan-zee-in-Plaza-Futura.ece

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.ed.nl/uitcultuur/theater/10412022/Met-Joran-aan-zee-in-Plaza-Futura.ece&usg=ALkJrhjfy3nmwsGOAn6fkjvfFkJiXtWCtg


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 29, 2012, 10:30:14 AM
Is Peter de Vries stopping his CRIME REPORTER show?
Fixed typo.  MB

Google translation:

Telegraph journalist John van den Heuvel emerges once in a while with a new program. Tomorrow starts Put Right, in which he abuses in consumer affairs to expose.

 ::snipping2::

 Willem Holleeder, Joran van der Sloot, Keith Bakker ... Van den Heuvel often leading in reporting on these crooks. The journalist therefore plans to make a TV program where he focused on the felony collapsed.

In The Guardian he says: "Yes, I'm in talks with various parties. In addition you must not think that what Peter R. de Vries has done for years. I would like to make something totally abnormalities, even though it is a good use in TV land to each copy. "

Peter R. de Vries begins in April to the last episodes of Crime Reporter, then creates a hole in this genre. Such programs are very expensive and time consuming to make.


http://zappen.blog.nl/rtl-nederland/2012/02/11/john-van-den-heuvel-werkt-aan-misdaadprogramma

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fzappen.blog.nl%2Frtl-nederland%2F2012%2F02%2F11%2Fjohn-van-den-heuvel-werkt-aan-misdaadprogramma


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on February 29, 2012, 10:32:06 AM
Is Peter de Vries stopping his CRIME SIDER show?



Ooops, I meant Crime Reporter show.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 29, 2012, 02:54:00 PM
jamcakes, I think it was reported a while back that this would be his last season.  It's here somewhere.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 29, 2012, 03:00:11 PM
7 year old missing, if I understand correctly she didn't come home after school yesterday.

I hope they find her soon and safe!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/43875-mucha-muher-di-7-anja-perdi.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2012.feb.29.DE%20REEPER.JPG)

child muher of 7 anja perdi

wednesday, 29 february 2012 14:51 today 28 feburary 2012 omstreeks 14.15 uur, owing to come at keep the menneer job de reeper. the la splika with his jiu muher of barely 7 anja of edad not owing to return cas after of scol with owing to finish 1 or. the child muher is go fatima college and today will tbt have dress his uniform of scol color grey cla and one jeans largo. ordinarily the is jega cas 13.15 uur. today that not tbt the geval. naam : fleur de reeper geb. dat.: 29.07.2004 adres : patiastraat 15-c. if cualkier person can have informacion take contact cu job de reeper at 7315425 or 7305425


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 29, 2012, 05:48:37 PM
::cartwheel::

I was hoping by now that the Augusta Prep and/or NHRC website and/or an online publication would have provided an update in regards to Sundays Walk/Run NHRC fundraising event.  As far as I can determine ... it has yet to happen.  However ... my DIL and I did learn through a contact on Sunday that the event was an overwhelming success.  Over $8000 was raised and more than 250 participated including Natalee Holloway's mother.  One hundred plus volunteers also turned out to assist.  There were many friends and families of the students on the sidelines cheering on the participants.

Praise God!

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 29, 2012, 05:56:57 PM
Augusta Prep Day School … “Running for Justice” for Natalee Holloway, 5K Run/Walk for the NHRC … Beth Holloway Will be There

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/02/24/augusta-prep-day-school-running-for-justice-for-natalee-holloway-5k-runwalk-for-the-nhrc-beth-holloway-will-be-there/

KUDOS to the Augusta Prep Day School remembering Natalee Holloway and a run for a cause for missing persons ...

Augusta Prep Day School in  Martinez, GA is having a 5K run/walk where 100% of the proceeds will be donated to the NHRC, the Natalee Holloway Resource Center to help parents with missing persons. Beth Holloway will be attending the event, taking part in the 5K run/walk and speaking to the student body and parents the day before. Beth Holloway will discuss Internationals Safe Travels. Come one, come all for this 5K run/walk and give to a great cause.

Thanks Red!  Thanks Klaas!

Once again Scared Monkeys came through big time for Natalee Holloway.

Janet

+++++

Natalee's Hero

LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 229: As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero.  Natalee writes:

A Hero is someone who puts others before himself.  He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others.  Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times.  They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals.  I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct.  Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times.  A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself.

Instantly I realize that Natalee is poignantly describing the people who have reached out to help her family get through this "tough time."  It's almost as if she is thanking everyone herself by recognizing the importance of selfless people.  And I am amazed at her profound words here.  I sit and read the entire journal ...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 29, 2012, 06:56:54 PM

(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on February 29, 2012, 07:24:50 PM
7 year old missing, if I understand correctly she didn't come home after school yesterday.

I hope they find her soon and safe!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/43875-mucha-muher-di-7-anja-perdi.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2012.feb.29.DE%20REEPER.JPG)

child muher of 7 anja perdi

wednesday, 29 february 2012 14:51 today 28 feburary 2012 omstreeks 14.15 uur, owing to come at keep the menneer job de reeper. the la splika with his jiu muher of barely 7 anja of edad not owing to return cas after of scol with owing to finish 1 or. the child muher is go fatima college and today will tbt have dress his uniform of scol color grey cla and one jeans largo. ordinarily the is jega cas 13.15 uur. today that not tbt the geval. naam : fleur de reeper geb. dat.: 29.07.2004 adres : patiastraat 15-c. if cualkier person can have informacion take contact cu job de reeper at 7315425 or 7305425

Awe24 had an update that says she was found safe and sound!

http://www.awe24.com/20120229/9963/Update_e_mucha_a_yega_sano_y_salvo_Mucha_di_7_ana_cu_no_a_yega_cas_despues

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 29, 2012, 11:09:06 PM
Amanda and Maggie ... many thanks for all your dedication.  The huge success of the NHRC first fundraising implies it was not in vain.  Your mothers must be proud!

 :smt060


Natalee Holloway 5K Race Raises Travel Awareness in Prep Students
Posted 02/29/2012 03:59PM


On February 25, 2012, Augusta Prep sponsored a 5K race to raise money and awareness for the Natalee Holloway Resource Center.  On Friday afternoon, Natalee’s mother, Beth Holloway, came to Augusta Prep and spoke to the Upper School students and faculty.   Her powerful testimony moved the audience and emphasized the need for safety while traveling abroad. At 10 am on Saturday morning, approximately 230 runners participated in the 5K race. The race raised over $8,000 for the Resource Center.

Plans for this event began in August with student, faculty, and community sponsors working together.  Approximately 30 student volunteers assisted in the planning and the carrying out of the event.  Instrumental in bringing this event to fruition were senior Maggie McLeod and junior Amanda Murphy.  Both of these students are runners for the Augusta Prep Cross Country Team.  Their love of running led them to decide that a 5K race would be a good way to bring awareness to this worthy cause

http://www.augustaprep.org/cf_news/view.cfm?newsid=442




(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)





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Post by: Tamikosmom on February 29, 2012, 11:28:34 PM
My DIL just called me.  She wanted my take on all the photos regarding all the happenenings encompassing the Augusta Prep walk/run.  I did not realize that there was a slide presentation.

Klaas ... maybe you could do your thing with some of the photos.

Thanks

http://www.augustaprep.org/cf_news/view.cfm?newsid=442



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 29, 2012, 11:57:15 PM
::cartwheel::

I was hoping by now that the Augusta Prep and/or NHRC website and/or an online publication would have provided an update in regards to Sundays Walk/Run NHRC fundraising event.  As far as I can determine ... it has yet to happen.  However ... my DIL and I did learn through a contact on Sunday that the event was an overwhelming success.  Over $8000 was raised and more than 250 participated including Natalee Holloway's mother.  One hundred plus volunteers also turned out to assist.  There were many friends and families of the students on the sidelines cheering on the participants.

Praise God!

Janet




BBM ^^^     ::MonkeyCheer4::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 01, 2012, 12:03:11 AM
7 year old missing, if I understand correctly she didn't come home after school yesterday.

I hope they find her soon and safe!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/43875-mucha-muher-di-7-anja-perdi.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2012.feb.29.DE%20REEPER.JPG)

child muher of 7 anja perdi

wednesday, 29 february 2012 14:51 today 28 feburary 2012 omstreeks 14.15 uur, owing to come at keep the menneer job de reeper. the la splika with his jiu muher of barely 7 anja of edad not owing to return cas after of scol with owing to finish 1 or. the child muher is go fatima college and today will tbt have dress his uniform of scol color grey cla and one jeans largo. ordinarily the is jega cas 13.15 uur. today that not tbt the geval. naam : fleur de reeper geb. dat.: 29.07.2004 adres : patiastraat 15-c. if cualkier person can have informacion take contact cu job de reeper at 7315425 or 7305425

Awe24 had an update that says she was found safe and sound!

http://www.awe24.com/20120229/9963/Update_e_mucha_a_yega_sano_y_salvo_Mucha_di_7_ana_cu_no_a_yega_cas_despues

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 01, 2012, 12:21:58 AM
Audio at the link

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-02-29-gresca-en-penal-de-lurigancho-deja-a-varios-internos-heridos-noticia_456526.html

Google translation

Brawl in Lurigancho leaves several inmates injured
Wednesday, February 29, 2012 | 8:05 pm

 ::snipping2::
A brawl with sharp stabbing weapons among inmates apparently discussed by a woman, there was this afternoon in Lurigancho.

A witness who was inside the prison compound told RPP Noticias, he left the hall he saw a boy with a hole in his forehead, had allegedly plunged a knife.

"There was a confrontation over a woman. She was inside the prison. Say that she too would have put knife," he said.

He said that members of the National Police came after 15 minutes into the match. "There are 6 to 7 people injured, the flag are 12 and 20," he said.

Thursdays are the days of visits by women in Lurigancho.
----------------------
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1381107/noticia-reyerta-penal-lurigancho-deja-al-menos-siete-reos-heridos

 ::snipping2::
A brawl inside the Lurigancho ended with at least seven inmates injured by knife cuts on the day of visit of women.

According to the witness, the fight would be started by the dispute between two inmates by a woman who was inside the prison. Radio Programas reported, one of the wounded was cut on the forehead.

Police took ten minutes to restore order in view of the inmates had different types of weapons like daggers.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 02, 2012, 01:39:53 AM
NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


2
ANGELS


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 02, 2012, 09:08:41 AM
NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


2
ANGELS

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 02, 2012, 01:05:51 PM
Reported tornado strikes Alabama, destroying many homes, officials say
Published March 02, 2012


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/02/alabama-schools-closing-early-amid-weather-threat/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 02, 2012, 03:47:28 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/103558-bedrijfsleven-eens-per-maand-om-tafel-met-justitie

Google translation

Business once a month at table with justice Industry once a month to sit down with Justice
Friday, March 2, 2012 7:30

ORANGE CITY - Justice Minister Arthur Dowers (AVP) and police force members - including Chief Dolfi Richardson - claimed yesterday consultations with industry representatives about improving the safety of Aruba. Following are the concerns and the call of business about rising crime and insecurity.

Conclusion of the meeting of yesterday is that the parties once a month to go table to discuss developments, approaches and other issues dealing with security. Also, members of the police actively educate people about crime prevention. And particularly what measures individuals and companies can take. Minister Dowers effect stress that prevention is a responsibility of everyone and said they are satisfied with the outcome of the conversation.

At the table were representatives of employers 'organizations Aruba Trade and Industry Association (ATIA), Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (Ahata), San Nicolas Business Association (SNBA) and shopkeepers' association Mambo. Atia recently pulled the bell and asked the government to an action plan.  ::snipping2::

The discussion about increasing crime came after a series of armed robberies at shops. In addition came the incident last week involving the police in the mall Renaissance two suspected drug dealers shot. Politicians then tumbled over each other in the media to criticize the Justice Minister or to ask for more measures. Dowers Minister himself said that it is not too bad with the crime in Aruba, especially compared to the region. Whether crime is increasing, however, figures are not clear. The police in cases yes, but by way of registration is for instance not possible to get good grades on cascades of armed.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 02, 2012, 03:56:16 PM
UPDATE ON THE GOTTENBOS FAMILY


I found this on FB

Koen is pre-vet at Young Harris College in Georgia, USA.
He lists Sander as his brother, Jessica Gottenbos as his sister and Renita Verberne as his mother.

(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/KoenGottenboscropped.jpg)

Sister Jessica Gottenbos went to Mill Creek HS in Hoschton, GA where the family now lives.  The used to reside in Buford, GA while their house was being built in Hoschton.

(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/JessicaGottenboscropped.jpg)

Mother Renita goes under the name of Verberne and works at Patrick's of Atlanta, a day spa in Buford GA. I wonder if Mr Gottenbos died as there is no mention of him.  Verberne is Renita's maiden name.  I found a post to a Rob Verberne in Dutch in which Renita wishes her brother Happy Birthday. Anita vdS took her maiden name back after Paulus died.  I wonder if this is a common practice with Dutch women.  Mom Renita had a dress shop in Aruba, and Dad sold insurance in Aruba.

(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/RenitaVerbernecropped.jpg)


From Patrick's of Atlanta's FB page

(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/PatricksofAtlcropped.jpg)


From Renita Verberne's FB page

(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/RenitaVerberne-Koensmother.jpg)


Links:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=729896308&sk=info       KOEN

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001004027922          JESSICA

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=632141816                    SANDER

http://www.facebook.com/rverberne1?sk=friends&v=friends           RENITA

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001718932372&ref=pb         ROB VERBERNE

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Patricks-of-Atlanta/126519440736238      PATRICK'S OF ATLANTA


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 02, 2012, 05:27:32 PM
Reported tornado strikes Alabama, destroying many homes, officials say
Published March 02, 2012


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/02/alabama-schools-closing-early-amid-weather-threat/


UPDATE

Tornado wrecks Indiana town as Midwest is slammed with severe storms
Published March 02, 2012


Powerful storms stretching from the Gulf Coast to the Great Lakes flattened buildings in several states, wrecked a small Indiana town where officials say at least three were killed, and bred anxiety across a wide swath of the country in the second powerful tornado outbreak this week.

<snipped>

Read more:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/02/alabama-schools-closing-early-amid-weather-threat/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 02, 2012, 06:06:06 PM
UPDATE ON THE GOTTENBOS FAMILY


I found this on FB

Koen is pre-vet at Young Harris College in Georgia, USA.
He lists Sander as his brother, Jessica Gottenbos as his sister and Renita Verberne as his mother.

(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/KoenGottenboscropped.jpg)

Sister Jessica Gottenbos went to Mill Creek HS in Hoschton, GA where the family now lives.  The used to reside in Buford, GA while their house was being built in Hoschton.

(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/JessicaGottenboscropped.jpg)

Mother Renita goes under the name of Verberne and works at Patrick's of Atlanta, a day spa in Buford GA. I wonder if Mr Gottenbos died as there is no mention of him.  Verberne is Renita's maiden name.  I found a post to a Rob Verberne in Dutch in which Renita wishes her brother Happy Birthday. Anita vdS took her maiden name back after Paulus died.  I wonder if this is a common practice with Dutch women.  Mom Renita had a dress shop in Aruba, and Dad sold insurance in Aruba.

(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/RenitaVerbernecropped.jpg)


From Patrick's of Atlanta's FB page

(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/PatricksofAtlcropped.jpg)


From Renita Verberne's FB page

(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/RenitaVerberne-Koensmother.jpg)


Links:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=729896308&sk=info       KOEN

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001004027922          JESSICA

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=632141816                    SANDER

http://www.facebook.com/rverberne1?sk=friends&v=friends           RENITA

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001718932372&ref=pb         ROB VERBERNE

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Patricks-of-Atlanta/126519440736238      PATRICK'S OF ATLANTA


IIRC...Renita Verberne has always used that name...even in Aruba.  Papa Gottenbos has always been difficult to get info on.  We had a couple pics of him with the boys but google never got many hits. There were also pics of him in the first house in Georgia.

I believe Frank/Deetch commented that even though he didn't believe in the "Hague connections", whenever he wrote about Gottenbos, there were many hits from the Hague.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 02, 2012, 10:22:24 PM
Reported tornado strikes Alabama, destroying many homes, officials say
Published March 02, 2012


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/02/alabama-schools-closing-early-amid-weather-threat/


UPDATE

Tornado wrecks Indiana town as Midwest is slammed with severe storms
Published March 02, 2012


Powerful storms stretching from the Gulf Coast to the Great Lakes flattened buildings in several states, wrecked a small Indiana town where officials say at least three were killed, and bred anxiety across a wide swath of the country in the second powerful tornado outbreak this week.

<snipped>

Read more:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/02/alabama-schools-closing-early-amid-weather-threat/


What a nightmare!!


UPDATE

Storms wreck Indiana town, kill at least 15 across in Midwest
Published March 02, 2012


Powerful storms stretching from the Gulf Coast to the Great Lakes wrecked several Indiana towns and killed at least 15 people Friday as the system tore roofs off schools and homes, flattened a fire station, flipped over tractor-trailer trucks and damaged a maximum security prison. It was the second deadly tornado outbreak this week

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/02/alabama-schools-closing-early-amid-weather-threat/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 02, 2012, 11:15:45 PM
I don't think Alex Gottenbos died, he just must not be into the social pages like the rest of the family.

http://www.yhcathletics.com/sports/mten/2011-12/bios/gottenbos%20keon%209d2o

Keon Gottenbos

Height:   6-1
Year:   Jr.
Hometown:   Eindhoven, The Netherlands
High School:   Penn Foster
BIO

COLLEGE: Attended Gainesville State College from 2008-09.

PREP: Played at Penn Foster High School...Former teammate include Jamie Childree (Coastal College of Georgia).

PERSONAL: Full name is Koen Gottenbos...Born April 12, 1988 in Eindhoven, The Netherlands...Son of Alexander Gottenbos and Renita Verberne...Has one brother, Sander and one sister, Jessica...Brother played semi-professional ball for FC Einhoven.


Posts from 2010
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8656.msg1248227#msg1248227


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 03, 2012, 12:29:33 AM
Keepthefaith, wreck, texasmom and 0 Guests


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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 03, 2012, 12:51:09 AM
Keepthefaith, wreck, texasmom and 0 Guests


 ::monkeywine2::


Keepthefaith and 2 Guests

There is something about the number, but I just can't quite put my finger on it..
::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: wreck on March 03, 2012, 12:58:37 AM
Keepthefaith, wreck, texasmom and 0 Guests


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::CowboySmiley:: Hi everyone! I still read everyday. We should be getting some interesting events soon!!  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 03, 2012, 01:11:28 AM
Thanks Buckeye and Texasmom on your info on the Gottenbos.

Found this address and phone number for the Hoschton address:

RENITA M VERBERNE   
4745 TRILOGY PARK TRL   
HOSCHTON, GA  30548    (678) 546-2235


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 03, 2012, 01:11:28 AM
Keepthefaith, wreck, texasmom and 0 Guests


 ::monkeywine2::
::CowboySmiley:: Hi everyone! I still read everyday. We should be getting some interesting events soon!!  ::CowboySmiley::

Wreck, Are you talking about those two little leprechauns and their lawsuit?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 03, 2012, 01:28:09 AM
The Scared Monkey matrix booted me out..Guess whose back??  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 03, 2012, 01:28:59 AM
who's back.  ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 03, 2012, 01:29:59 AM
I'm just working on becoming an All-Star instead of a Junky Klaas.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 03, 2012, 01:32:29 AM
Not an All-star, but a MegaStar..That reminds me of Battlestar Galactica, or the cartoon "StarBlazers" that I watched as a young boy.  ::MonkeyBike::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 03, 2012, 01:42:05 AM
I don't think Alex Gottenbos died, he just must not be into the social pages like the rest of the family.

http://www.yhcathletics.com/sports/mten/2011-12/bios/gottenbos%20keon%209d2o

Keon Gottenbos

Height:   6-1
Year:   Jr.
Hometown:   Eindhoven, The Netherlands
High School:   Penn Foster
BIO

COLLEGE: Attended Gainesville State College from 2008-09.

PREP: Played at Penn Foster High School...Former teammate include Jamie Childree (Coastal College of Georgia).

PERSONAL: Full name is Koen Gottenbos...Born April 12, 1988 in Eindhoven, The Netherlands...Son of Alexander Gottenbos and Renita Verberne...Has one brother, Sander and one sister, Jessica...Brother played semi-professional ball for FC Einhoven.


Posts from 2010
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8656.msg1248227#msg1248227

Penn Foster High School is an on-line/home schooled degree program.

http://www.pennfoster.edu/diploma/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 03, 2012, 02:03:24 AM
Jamscake is diggin, diggin, diggin.... ::MonkeyDance:: I love them diggin Monkey's


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 03, 2012, 02:04:03 AM
Jamcakes..Sorry! I'm a bit off tonight..


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 03, 2012, 02:50:26 AM
TICK_TOCK_TICK_TOCK




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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 03, 2012, 07:28:42 AM
TICK_TOCK_TICK_TOCK




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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2012, 10:17:31 AM
I'm just working on becoming an All-Star instead of a Junky Klaas.... ::MonkeyTongue::

You are now a Monkey All Star Jr.  ::MonkeyDevil::  (just created the new category)  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 03, 2012, 10:25:30 AM
I'm just working on becoming an All-Star instead of a Junky Klaas.... ::MonkeyTongue::

You are now a Monkey All Star Jr
.  ::MonkeyDevil::  (just created the new category)  ::MonkeyDevil::

Congrats to KTF! 
Don't worry about post counts.  It's not the quantity, it's the quality of the posts imo.   ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2012, 12:15:12 PM
jamcakes, you may not have seen these from Sander's FB Summer 2010

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/Sander_FB_Summer2010_2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/Sander_StephanyvanGijn_FBSummer20102.jpg)

https://www.facebook.com/stephanymvg

Curacao 2011

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/StephanyVanGijn_SanderGottenbosCuracao2011.jpg)



Sander in the flip flops with Team Aruba (2011) Not sure if he's still playing with them.  I don't see him in recent pictures, but I haven't really checked into it.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/TeamAruba05222011_02-1.jpg)

Wonder if Koen and Brianna Brinkley broke up? They're not FB friends anymore.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/Koen_facebook_04222010_n729896308_5.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2012, 12:49:23 PM
I though Koen and Brianna were engaged? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2012, 01:01:29 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/43951-bananabus-a-pasa-riba-turista.html (http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/43951-bananabus-a-pasa-riba-turista.html)

Bananabus a pasa riba turista y lague gravemente herida    Print    E-mail
Friday, 02 March 2012 12:25

Diabierna merdia un tourbus di bananabusaruba.com a alcansa un homber riba e caminda pa bay Moomba Beach. E victima a keda gravemente herida y pega bou di e bus pa algun rato.

Tabata algo pasa di 12 or di merida ora chauffeur di bus cu number T-286 y O-260 a bay reverse y no a tuma nota di un peaton su tras. E homber turista di fam G. nacionalidad Mericano y 77 aña di edad tabata canando patras di e bus ora e bus a dal'e bente abou y lastre algun 100 meter. E bus tabata bashi, sin pasahero.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.maart.02.bus.DSC_0060.JPG)

Looks like a 77 year old American tourist was hit by the Banana Bus and is in grave condition?  TM, is that how you read this?

Another reason not to go to Aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: San on March 03, 2012, 01:50:38 PM
Magnolia and Anna if you happen to be reading here first please check into Musings and let everyone know you are okay.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9781.700


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: San on March 03, 2012, 01:53:27 PM
Sander must be some soccer player to be playing in flip flops  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2012, 03:06:39 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/43951-bananabus-a-pasa-riba-turista.html (http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/43951-bananabus-a-pasa-riba-turista.html)

Bananabus a pasa riba turista y lague gravemente herida    Print    E-mail
Friday, 02 March 2012 12:25

Diabierna merdia un tourbus di bananabusaruba.com a alcansa un homber riba e caminda pa bay Moomba Beach. E victima a keda gravemente herida y pega bou di e bus pa algun rato.

Tabata algo pasa di 12 or di merida ora chauffeur di bus cu number T-286 y O-260 a bay reverse y no a tuma nota di un peaton su tras. E homber turista di fam G. nacionalidad Mericano y 77 aña di edad tabata canando patras di e bus ora e bus a dal'e bente abou y lastre algun 100 meter. E bus tabata bashi, sin pasahero.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.maart.02.bus.DSC_0060.JPG)

Looks like a 77 year old American tourist was hit by the Banana Bus and is in grave condition?  TM, is that how you read this?

Another reason not to go to Aruba


Yes, that's my understanding too Klaas.  Looks like the bus backed over him and went about a hundred meters with him under it!  Sounds like they thought he might die at the scene...

Poor guy!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.maart.02.bus.DSC_0885.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2012, 03:10:11 PM
I though Koen and Brianna were engaged? 

Not sure, I was thinking it was Sander and the Van gijn girl that were engaged; but I may have it confused.

Maybe with the recent events about Joran, Brianna finally caught wind of Koen's involvement with Joran and saw the light.

If she knew about any of it beforehand I can just imagine the lies he told her about it all.

jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2012, 03:27:13 PM
Awe24's version

He must have been stuck under the bus somehow. 

http://www.awe24.com/20120302/9989/Riba_e_caminda_pa_bay_Moomba_Beach_bus_a_reverse_pasa_riba_turista_lague

Papiamentu translation:

on the caminda for bay moomba beach bus owing to reverse happen on tourist lague seriamente injury

1 day happen come across, 2 of march 2012 12:12

diabierna afternoon owing to enter informe of one accidente enough earnest on the caminda cu is bay for moomba beach, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the first patrol owing to come compronde cu is one bus owing to reverse y owing to strike a lastre one good distancia. hour the bus owing to strike the bente abao the victima owing to haak at one hose cu have abao of the bus y owing to stay stick eynan. the motibo why the bus owing to reverse is cu near of moomba not have espacio owing to become rond y all trip have to reverse full the trayecto. at the sitio at once owing to inicia cu one investigacion. unabes cu owing to succeed saca the victima for of bao of the bus they owing to atende y transporte cu urgencia for hospital.

relato policial:

diabierna afternoon for more or less 12'or, central of police is achieve one call cu will owing to sosode one accidente, probably fateful is height of paseo herencia, where cu one bus will owing to happen on one tourist.

patrouillenan cu is acudi rapido at the sitio is come constata cu the accidente menciona did take lugar on the piece caminda cu is take away at moomba beach, one bit panort of the mall menciona.

they owing to is come encontra one person stick below ; one bus (bananabus) cu was in one estado much important y sangrando. indicacionnan fysico y declaracion of witness is indica cu the victima was canando on the caminda menciona, the bus provided that cuestion was reverse at near robez of caminda y probably not owing to see the tourist y owing to happen on dje. the tourist will owing to stay stick below ; the bus y owing to wordo lastra more or less 75 metre for her bus menciona till hour cu cry of testigonan owing to let the chauffeur stop y descend look at kico is pasando.

cu material special owing to succeed hoist the bus for saca the victima for of below ; this y transporte cu urgencia for hospital.

the victima was consciente y owing to ricibi much damage y lose enough blood. is deal of one cabayero of 77 year of edad of inicial j.g. u.s.a. 4 july 1934 cu is tourist. at the momentonan here not have more informacion. police is investigando the caso.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2012, 03:29:22 PM
Sander must be some soccer player to be playing in flip flops  ::MonkeyRoll::

Guess that's how "pimps" play.   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: San on March 03, 2012, 04:57:53 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Frijole on March 03, 2012, 05:17:21 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 03, 2012, 06:24:56 PM
Monkey All-Star Jr. for life!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 03, 2012, 06:26:24 PM
Prayers go out to all those who've been hit by the storms.
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2012, 06:32:53 PM
Good to see you KTF  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 03, 2012, 07:01:27 PM
Magnolia and Anna if you happen to be reading here first please check into Musings and let everyone know you are okay.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9781.700

All is good here.   Hudson was scared, but I wasn't!
Big hale and limbs down and lots of rain.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 03, 2012, 07:10:22 PM
Good to see you KTF  ::MonkeyCool::

Nice to see you, Muffy, San, and the rest of the Monkey's. I've got another 42 years to see who is going to get the GAVEL of justice next... ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Anna on March 03, 2012, 07:22:15 PM
Magnolia and Anna if you happen to be reading here first please check into Musings and let everyone know you are okay.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9781.700

All is good here.   Hudson was scared, but I wasn't!
Big hale and limbs down and lots of rain.


Me, too.  I'm alright but we did have some scary weather.  Nothing like April 27 of last year however.  But thanks, am fine.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2012, 07:22:41 PM
Magnolia and Anna if you happen to be reading here first please check into Musings and let everyone know you are okay.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9781.700

All is good here.   Hudson was scared, but I wasn't!
Big hale and limbs down and lots of rain.

MAGNOLIA!  We were getting worried!  Glad all is OK.   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2012, 07:23:20 PM
Magnolia and Anna if you happen to be reading here first please check into Musings and let everyone know you are okay.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9781.700

All is good here.   Hudson was scared, but I wasn't!
Big hale and limbs down and lots of rain.


Me, too.  I'm alright but we did have some scary weather.  Nothing like April 27 of last year however.  But thanks, am fine.

Anna!  I'm so glad you are ok too!  We were worried about you guys!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2012, 07:24:29 PM
Well I'm off to fix dinner now that I know Magnolia and Anna are ok!  Thanks for letting us know!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 03, 2012, 07:26:37 PM
 ::MonkeyDance::  Glad to hear you're okay Anna!!  ::bee::
  Thank you for coming by to let us know you're okay.  Hope you stop by more often and post with us. ::MonkeyBikeYorkie::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 03, 2012, 07:32:14 PM
Good to see you KTF  ::MonkeyCool::

Nice to see you, Muffy, San, and the rest of the Monkey's. I've got another 42 years to see who is going to get the GAVEL of justice next... ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 03, 2012, 07:33:15 PM
jamcakes, you may not have seen these from Sander's FB Summer 2010


Hadn't seen them.  Thanks Texasmom!

Looks like somethings never change......


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 03, 2012, 07:46:44 PM
I don't think Alex Gottenbos died, he just must not be into the social pages like the rest of the family.

http://www.yhcathletics.com/sports/mten/2011-12/bios/gottenbos%20keon%209d2o

Keon Gottenbos

Height:   6-1
Year:   Jr.
Hometown:   Eindhoven, The Netherlands
High School:   Penn Foster
BIO

COLLEGE: Attended Gainesville State College from 2008-09.

PREP: Played at Penn Foster High School...Former teammate include Jamie Childree (Coastal College of Georgia).

PERSONAL: Full name is Koen Gottenbos...Born April 12, 1988 in Eindhoven, The Netherlands...Son of Alexander Gottenbos and Renita Verberne...Has one brother, Sander and one sister, Jessica...Brother played semi-professional ball for FC Einhoven.


Posts from 2010
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8656.msg1248227#msg1248227

Penn Foster High School is an on-line/home schooled degree program.


http://www.pennfoster.edu/diploma/

LOL.....how can you play tennis for a home/internet school?

Now the big question......Why did Koen opt for home schooling?  Did he home school the year after Natalee went missing while still living in Aruba, or did he finish HS in GA at home?

I bet he was still too scared to venture out much!  I bet he had to have a lot of psychotherapy in the ensuing years. 

I also want to say that I hope he has super grades in HS and college, b/c he's going to need them to get into Veterinary School.  That is one of the hardest type of graduate schools to gain admittance to.

Did Dompig ever go to Medical School?    Bwahhhh haaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaa!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2012, 08:47:30 PM
So glad to read that Magnolia and Anna are safe!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2012, 09:09:27 PM
I don't think Alex Gottenbos died, he just must not be into the social pages like the rest of the family.

http://www.yhcathletics.com/sports/mten/2011-12/bios/gottenbos%20keon%209d2o

Keon Gottenbos

Height:   6-1
Year:   Jr.
Hometown:   Eindhoven, The Netherlands
High School:   Penn Foster
BIO

COLLEGE: Attended Gainesville State College from 2008-09.

PREP: Played at Penn Foster High School...Former teammate include Jamie Childree (Coastal College of Georgia).

PERSONAL: Full name is Koen Gottenbos...Born April 12, 1988 in Eindhoven, The Netherlands...Son of Alexander Gottenbos and Renita Verberne...Has one brother, Sander and one sister, Jessica...Brother played semi-professional ball for FC Einhoven.


Posts from 2010
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8656.msg1248227#msg1248227

Penn Foster High School is an on-line/home schooled degree program.


http://www.pennfoster.edu/diploma/

LOL.....how can you play tennis for a home/internet school?

Now the big question......Why did Koen opt for home schooling?  Did he home school the year after Natalee went missing while still living in Aruba, or did he finish HS in GA at home?

I bet he was still too scared to venture out much!  I bet he had to have a lot of psychotherapy in the ensuing years. 

I also want to say that I hope he has super grades in HS and college, b/c he's going to need them to get into Veterinary School.  That is one of the hardest type of graduate schools to gain admittance to.

Did Dompig ever go to Medical School?    Bwahhhh haaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

Did you mean Satish?   ::MonkeyWink::

On his VISA application (I think in 2009) he claimed to still be in High School.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Deepak also "attended" Penn Foster, interesting huh?

Someone probably helped Koen get in to Young and Harris, just like all the other slippery/shady things that family seems to get away with.  jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2012, 09:17:23 PM
Satish listed Penn Foster on his VISA application too.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2012, 09:21:14 PM
So glad to read that Magnolia and Anna are safe!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

Me Too, Texasmom!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Long night but glad to know that these monkeys are safe!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2012, 09:38:22 PM
So glad to read that Magnolia and Anna are safe!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

Me Too, Texasmom!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Long night but glad to know that these monkeys are safe!!

I know how scary it can be, I'm glad you and all of our other monkeys are safe too CBB!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 03, 2012, 09:47:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ij4hqxDr38U

http://www.youtube.com/v/Ij4hqxDr38U?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2012, 09:56:37 PM
Youtube replaced the music I was using in that video  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 03, 2012, 10:26:35 PM
Youtube replaced the music I was using in that video  ::MonkeyHaHa::

It is a powerful piece!   They did OK with the music they substituted.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 04, 2012, 12:22:03 AM
I don't think Alex Gottenbos died, he just must not be into the social pages like the rest of the family.

http://www.yhcathletics.com/sports/mten/2011-12/bios/gottenbos%20keon%209d2o

Keon Gottenbos

Height:   6-1
Year:   Jr.
Hometown:   Eindhoven, The Netherlands
High School:   Penn Foster
BIO

COLLEGE: Attended Gainesville State College from 2008-09.

PREP: Played at Penn Foster High School...Former teammate include Jamie Childree (Coastal College of Georgia).

PERSONAL: Full name is Koen Gottenbos...Born April 12, 1988 in Eindhoven, The Netherlands...Son of Alexander Gottenbos and Renita Verberne...Has one brother, Sander and one sister, Jessica...Brother played semi-professional ball for FC Einhoven.


Posts from 2010
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8656.msg1248227#msg1248227

Penn Foster High School is an on-line/home schooled degree program.


http://www.pennfoster.edu/diploma/

LOL.....how can you play tennis for a home/internet school?

Now the big question......Why did Koen opt for home schooling?  Did he home school the year after Natalee went missing while still living in Aruba, or did he finish HS in GA at home?

I bet he was still too scared to venture out much!  I bet he had to have a lot of psychotherapy in the ensuing years. 

I also want to say that I hope he has super grades in HS and college, b/c he's going to need them to get into Veterinary School.  That is one of the hardest type of graduate schools to gain admittance to.

Did Dompig ever go to Medical School?    Bwahhhh haaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

Did you mean Satish?   ::MonkeyWink::

On his VISA application (I think in 2009) he claimed to still be in High School.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Deepak also "attended" Penn Foster, interesting huh?

Someone probably helped Koen get in to Young and Harris, just like all the other slippery/shady things that family seems to get away with.  jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


IIRC, when Dompig announced his retirement, he said he wanted to go to medical school.  LOL!

Then I heard, that Satish wanted to go too!  LOL!

So did Satish EVER finish high school at Penn Foster?  Maybe he could go to Penn Foster Medical School too!   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 04, 2012, 12:34:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ij4hqxDr38U

http://www.youtube.com/v/Ij4hqxDr38U?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0

Definitely gets one thinking about what happened that day and all the lies. My guess is that someone from the Beach Patrol or LE informed the vdS's that Beth was en route to Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 04, 2012, 11:25:39 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/43987-curpa-sin-bida-haya-serca-di-conchi.html

Papiamentu translation:

curpa without life achieve at conchi

sunday, 04 march 2012 11:15

diadomingo morning police owing to achieve curpa of one man perdi is drief in lama at height of conchi. unidad of rescate of brandweer owing to bay for saca the curpa cu was owing to spula on one baranca. was alrededor of 9'or of morning hour family owing to beat alarma for one person masculino in his 58 year of edad perdi in area of conchi. family cu owing to go march at baranca is achieve miss owing to achieve his miss. the famaia owing to sospecha for of one principio cu he will can owing to cay of baranca. the buskeda owing to cuminsa for he cu hope can haye at life, owing to notifica police maritimo y kustwacht but was envano.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.maart.04.conchi.IMG-20120304-00095.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 04, 2012, 11:54:18 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/43951-bananabus-a-pasa-riba-turista.html (http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/43951-bananabus-a-pasa-riba-turista.html)

Bananabus a pasa riba turista y lague gravemente herida    Print    E-mail
Friday, 02 March 2012 12:25

Diabierna merdia un tourbus di bananabusaruba.com a alcansa un homber riba e caminda pa bay Moomba Beach. E victima a keda gravemente herida y pega bou di e bus pa algun rato.

Tabata algo pasa di 12 or di merida ora chauffeur di bus cu number T-286 y O-260 a bay reverse y no a tuma nota di un peaton su tras. E homber turista di fam G. nacionalidad Mericano y 77 aña di edad tabata canando patras di e bus ora e bus a dal'e bente abou y lastre algun 100 meter. E bus tabata bashi, sin pasahero.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.maart.02.bus.DSC_0060.JPG)

Looks like a 77 year old American tourist was hit by the Banana Bus and is in grave condition?  TM, is that how you read this?

Another reason not to go to Aruba


http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/103683-toerist-zwaargewond-na-overrijden-door-partybus

Google translation:


Tourist badly hurt after running over by partybus         

SATURDAY, MARCH 3, 2012 7:03

ORANGE CITY - The 77-year-old American tourist was seriously injured yesterday afternoon when he was near Paseo Herencia mall under a partybus ended, as far as is known Amigoe this morning, still in critical condition in the Horacio Oduber Hospital. A breath test revealed that the driver of the bus had not drunk. He was therefore not held, says the prosecution this morning. The accident happened on the way to Moomba Beach. The driver of the empty bus reportedly drove back and saw a pedestrian taking over the head. The victim was under the bus go and was dragged meters. Bystanders could eventually attract the attention of the driver to stop. The victim was very serious injuries and was bleeding profusely. Although it was feared for the life of the tourist, paramedics were able to stabilize the victim and rushed to the hospital to transport .


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 04, 2012, 11:56:22 AM
They test the driver for alcohol only? 

No alcohol, let him go!

Convenient.

What about drugs?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: wreck on March 04, 2012, 12:58:41 PM
 ::MonkeyCool:: I see i got a promotion!!  ::CowboySmiley:: ::CowboySmiley:: Good to see everyone -- We are all still here and fighting!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2012, 01:22:01 PM
Yep - over 5k is a promo now  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2012, 01:37:08 PM
Looks like a small boat sank and a body?

http://www.awe24.com/20120304/10016/Homber_a_cay_na_awa_for_di_e_barancanan_na_Conchi_nan_a_haya_e_curpa_sin_bida (http://www.awe24.com/20120304/10016/Homber_a_cay_na_awa_for_di_e_barancanan_na_Conchi_nan_a_haya_e_curpa_sin_bida)

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/10016/1_1330883219.jpg)

http://www.awe24.com/20120304/10019/Search_and_Rescue_a_rescata_boton_cu_tabata_sink_na_e_rif_dilanti_waf_di (http://www.awe24.com/20120304/10019/Search_and_Rescue_a_rescata_boton_cu_tabata_sink_na_e_rif_dilanti_waf_di)

(http://ba2.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/10019/1_1330884351.jpg)


In my opinion, Aruba sucks ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 04, 2012, 04:26:45 PM

In my opinion, Aruba sucks ::MonkeyCool::

Yep, that and it is very deadly!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 04, 2012, 11:39:12 PM
Photos at the link

http://arubaherald.com/911/2107-dutch-tourist-drowns-near-natural-pool.html

Dutch tourist drowns near Natural Pool       
Sunday, 04 March 2012 21:40 

Sunday morning police found the body of a man who was reported missing, floating at sea south of the Cura di Turtuga, known as the Natural Pool. Fire rescue workers took the body that had washed up on a rock, out of the ocean. Joannes Boers (57) had been walking on the rugged coast by the Natural Pool together with family members when he went missing. Authorities were notified around 9 a.m. The family suspects that he might have fallen off the cliffs.   ::snipping2::  The Dutchman, who is married to an Aruban, was here on vacation.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 05, 2012, 12:19:10 PM
I wonder if the guy fell off the cliffs or had help falling off the cliffs.

Aruba seems to be the vacation murder destination. 

One evil island.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 05, 2012, 06:05:38 PM
http://www.starhq.com/2012/03/05/beth-holloway-speaker-for-bristol-library-series/


March 5th , 2012  11:37 am

Beth Holloway, speaker for Bristol Library series

By Staff Reports

The first speaker of the Bristol Public Library’s 2012 Discovery Series, Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway. The event will be held on Thursday, March 22nd at 7 p.m.

Holloway’s life changed dramatically in the summer of 2005 when her daughter Natalee disappeared on the last night of her high school graduation trip to Aruba. This tragic story became the leading news mystery when it happened, and continues to make headlines today. Holloway talks about hope, courage in sheer adversity, and travel safety.

The purchase of a $50 ticket will support Library programs and will provide the ticketholder with access to the Private Meet & Greet at 6p.m., Reserved Seating to the Public Presentation at 7p.m., and a hardcover copy of Beth Holloway’s book Loving Natalee. Tickets and seating are limited.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 06, 2012, 05:55:55 PM
Any new news on Dr. Phil case?  Is Joran still alive?  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 06, 2012, 08:11:49 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/43987-curpa-sin-bida-haya-serca-di-conchi.html

Papiamentu translation:

curpa without life achieve at conchi

sunday, 04 march 2012 11:15

diadomingo morning police owing to achieve curpa of one man perdi is drief in lama at height of conchi. unidad of rescate of brandweer owing to bay for saca the curpa cu was owing to spula on one baranca. was alrededor of 9'or of morning hour family owing to beat alarma for one person masculino in his 58 year of edad perdi in area of conchi. family cu owing to go march at baranca is achieve miss owing to achieve his miss. the famaia owing to sospecha for of one principio cu he will can owing to cay of baranca. the buskeda owing to cuminsa for he cu hope can haye at life, owing to notifica police maritimo y kustwacht but was envano.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.maart.04.conchi.IMG-20120304-00095.jpg)

http://amigoe.com/english/103866-arikok-warns-against-climbing-the-cliffs-at-natural-pool-conchi


Arikok warns against climbing the cliffs at Natural Pool (Conchi)         
MONDAY, 5 MARCH 2012 14:03

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%202012/03052012_Amigoe_Conchi.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 06, 2012, 08:18:21 PM
The poor guy was naked except for some kind of water shoes? when they found him, that's some strong undercurrent or waves or something.

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

The pictures are graphic, but they did cover his head and private areas.  You have to click on the green highlighted tab to view the pictures.

http://www.awe24.com/20120304/10016/Homber_a_cay_na_awa_for_di_e_barancanan_na_Conchi_nan_a_haya_e_curpa_sin_bida


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 06, 2012, 08:35:51 PM
http://amigoe.com/aruba/103974-drugsverdachte-vecht-uitlevering-vs-aan

Google translation:

Drug Suspect fights extradition to U.S.

TUESDAY, MARCH 6, 2012 8:20

ORANGE CITY - Suspected WGAH (32) on 22 February near shopping Renaissance was arrested on suspicion of drug trafficking, fighting extradition to the United States. This Taco Stein said Advocate General of the Public Prosecutor (OM) at Daily Herald this morning.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2012, 08:55:39 PM
DON'T MISS THE DANA PRETZER SHOW - TONIGHT AT 9PM ET (NOW!)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Pretzer030612.jpg)

Click on the link below:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 06, 2012, 09:04:18 PM
http://amigoe.com/aruba/103841-pand-foxy-lady-verkocht

Google translation:

Pledge Foxy Lady sold

MONDAY, MARCH 5, 2012 8:59

SAN NICOLAS - The Foxy Lady strip club building which formerly was, has been sold. The existing license for prostitution on the property, remains valid. It is currently being converted into two bars.
Read more ...
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 07, 2012, 09:13:51 AM
http://amigoe.com/aruba/103841-pand-foxy-lady-verkocht

Google translation:

Pledge Foxy Lady sold

MONDAY, MARCH 5, 2012 8:59

SAN NICOLAS - The Foxy Lady strip club building which formerly was, has been sold. The existing license for prostitution on the property, remains valid. It is currently being converted into two bars.
Read more ...
 

Although prostitution is legal in Aruba, they still target tourists.  Misogyny runs deep there!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 07, 2012, 01:35:30 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/104004-spies-strives-for-more-involvement-with-justiceSpies strives for more involvement with Justice

Spies strives for more involvement with Justice
Tuesday, 6 March 2012 10:48
 
THE HAGUE — Minister Liesbeth Spies of the Interior and Kingdom Relations wants to improve the manner in which human rights and legal security on the former Antilles and Aruba are safeguarded. It regards an analysis of the efforts from judges and officers of Justice and an evaluation of the Criminal Collaboration Team (RST).Spies concludes this after an analysis of the policy in the period 2007 up to October 2010, the reign of the Balkenende IV cabinet. The reason for the evaluation is the Ministry of Finance’s endeavor to periodically examine the effectiveness of each ministry. The evaluation performed by employees from the ministry, exclusively regards the functioning of the Coastguard, the RST, the Communal Court, the Public Prosecutor and the prison. The main conclusion is that it’s difficult to measure the effectiveness.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 07, 2012, 02:03:38 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/104124-faciliteiten-voor-vijf-stranden-worden-verbeterd

Google translation

"features five beaches for improvement '
Wednesday, March 7, 2012 8:42

ORANGE CITY - The Government invests six million florins in the improvement of five beaches on the island. In addition to Baby Beach and Arashi Mangel Halto the beaches near the small port of Zeewijk and on the east side of Nikky Beach addressed. In Nikky Beach is also a platform where boats by water.

 ::snipping2:: The six million florins comes from Fondo Desaroyo Aruba (FDA). On top of an additional investment of one million florins of the Tourism Product Enhancement Fund (TPEF) for bodyguards, signs, trash cans and lighting at Baby Beach.

Blue Flag

Initially the intention was to Halto Mangel, Baby Beach and Arashi to refurbish such that they could qualify for the so-called Blue Flag label. Blue Flag beaches are equipped public toilets, disabled access, rescue equipment and if possible also lifeguards. Yesterday, Minister Oduber to know that as yet only be tried in Mangel Halto to qualify for a Blue Flag certificate. "Both Baby Beach and Arashi have defects that are currently very expensive to remedy. There is a harvest in which Arashi contaminated rainwater to the sea. Eventually, after we first Mangel Halto Baby Beach and Arashi finally try to certify, "said Oduber.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 07, 2012, 08:07:57 PM
Truth in advertising?

I find the years they quote numbers for interesting: post-Natalee and pre-Stephany - I guess the effects of  Aruba's own internationally known serial murderer, Joran, are difficult to explain.

http://www.aruba.com/ExploreAruba/islandfacts.aspx

Why Visitors Return     
Aruba attracts more than 800,000 international visitors annually and enjoys the highest return rate in the Caribbean. Perfect weather, hospitable people and world-renowned beaches are the most compelling factors for return visits. Also important are the island's mix of luxury high-rise and casual low-rise resorts, its unique natural beauty and culture, abundant land and sea activities, safety and security, and long-time friendships.
 
There has been a steady increase in the number of Distinguished Visitors as well as Goodwill Ambassadors of Aruba over the last four years, with combined totals of 804 in 2006; 873 in 2007; 1103 in 2008; and 1197 in 2009.
 
Broken down by country, about 90% of these return visitors hail from the United States, principally from Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania. The balance are primarily from Canada, Germany, Holland, Argentina and Colombia.

   
      


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 07, 2012, 08:38:47 PM
Deal on between Chicago and Aruba
February 29, 2012|By Phil Marty | Special to Tribune Newspapers

Despite our mild winter, a Caribbean getaway still has appeal, so how about Aruba?
 
Travelzoo is offering a package from CheapCaribbean.com of round-trip air fare from Chicago and five nights at the Holiday Inn Resort Aruba starting at $999 per person, double occupancy.  It's even cheaper — $699 per person — if you fly from Miami,
 ::snipping2::
 
March 9 is the booking deadline for the deal, but don't wait until then because these deals usually sell out quickly. Travel must be between April 19 and June 5 (including Memorial Day weekend), according to Travelzoo, but CheapCaribbean.com is showing availability through the end of June.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-02-29/travel/ct-taking-off-chi-deal-on-between-chicago-and-aruba-20120229_1_travelzoo-memorial-day-weekend-mild-winter

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This stinks of a Posner connection

What's with all the other Chicago - Aruba connections?

Aru-Bay videos aka Chicago videos
Chicago law firm representing Kalpoes in Dr Phil lawsuit
Chicago law firm represented AHATA


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Post by: texasmom on March 08, 2012, 12:02:24 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



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Post by: grace-land on March 08, 2012, 03:30:00 PM
Photo at link

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/104272-bus-vol-gewonde-toeristen

Google translation

Bus full of wounded tourists
Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:51

ORANGE CITY - A tour bus with about 40 tourists stopped yesterday at the Horacio Oduber Hospital (HOH). 27 of them had in fact burn under the feet. That was the reason that they all sat with their feet up on the bus (see photo).  The victims were hopping the bus to leave. Wheelchairs or carrying the first aid they could reach the hospital. It is unclear what the tourists have done so they have sustained these injuries. Reportedly, she walked over hot coals. The bus company that was hired by the private group, could not indicate what the tourists had done, they claimed the only bus available. The spokesman of the hospital this morning could not give information about the cause of the burns.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2012, 05:04:52 PM
Amanda and Maggie ... many thanks for all your dedication.  The huge success of the NHRC first fundraising implies it was not in vain.  Your mothers must be proud!

 :smt060


Natalee Holloway 5K Race Raises Travel Awareness in Prep Students
Posted 02/29/2012 03:59PM


On February 25, 2012, Augusta Prep sponsored a 5K race to raise money and awareness for the Natalee Holloway Resource Center.  On Friday afternoon, Natalee’s mother, Beth Holloway, came to Augusta Prep and spoke to the Upper School students and faculty.   Her powerful testimony moved the audience and emphasized the need for safety while traveling abroad. At 10 am on Saturday morning, approximately 230 runners participated in the 5K race. The race raised over $8,000 for the Resource Center.

Plans for this event began in August with student, faculty, and community sponsors working together.  Approximately 30 student volunteers assisted in the planning and the carrying out of the event.  Instrumental in bringing this event to fruition were senior Maggie McLeod and junior Amanda Murphy.  Both of these students are runners for the Augusta Prep Cross Country Team.  Their love of running led them to decide that a 5K race would be a good way to bring awareness to this worthy cause

http://www.augustaprep.org/cf_news/view.cfm?newsid=442




(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)






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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2012, 05:05:07 PM
Beth Holloway
Thursday, March 22, 7 pm
Bristol Public Library | J. Henry Kegley Meeting Room

Tickets include: Private Meet & Greet at 6pm with Reserved seating to Presentation at 7pm and Hardcover copy of Loving Natalee $50.
 
General admission free, if available.

Beth Holloway is the mother of Natalee Holloway, who vanished on the last night of her senior class trip on May 30, 2005. To this day Beth continues to search for the truth of what happened. She grew up in Arkansas, then lived and worked in Tennessee, Mississippi, and finally Alabama where she now lives with her son, Matt. Holloway talks about hope, courage in sheer adversity, and travel safety.

Contact Information:

Bristol Public Library
701 Goode Street
Bristol, VA 24201
Phone: (276) 645-8780
Fax: (276) 669-5593

http://www.bristol-library.org/discovery-series/ds-future-speakers



Psalm 28:
The LORD is my strength and my shield; in him my heart trusts, and I am helped
.

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Pages 100: He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years.  Now I must trust Him to care for her.  So I never ask Him why.  Why Natalee?  Why me?  I don't ask.  To do that undermines faith.  Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside.

Page 103: I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit.  Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible.  Mom is right; God is good.  All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over.  Not the work that has to be done.  Just the burden.  I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained.  And I am renewed, resilient.  Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me.  I will pick up one foot and put it down.  Then the other one will follow.  I will breathe.  There is much to be done.
 
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.


:smt060


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Post by: Ono on March 08, 2012, 05:16:15 PM
Sander must be some soccer player to be playing in flip flops  ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


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Post by: grace-land on March 08, 2012, 05:24:55 PM
Janet!   ::HelloKitty::  You were missed...welcome back!  ::MonkeyDance::

I was just about ready to post the following reminder of the presentation by Beth.

http://www2.tricities.com/entertainment/2012/mar/08/calendars-ar-1746907/

Calendars
Check out calenars for many events in the area.

By: Mary Dutton | Bristol Herald Courier
Published: March 08, 2012 Updated: March 08, 2012 - 12:00 AM

Quote
2012 DISCOVERY SERIES: Bristol Public Library, J. Henry Kegley Meeting Room, March 22, 7 p.m. Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway will speak, answer questions and sign her book, Loving Natalee. $50 will support library programs and provide access to the private meet and greet at 6 p.m. reserved seating and a hardcover copy of Beth Holloways’ book. (276) 8821-6148 or marketing@bristol-library.org.


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Post by: Ono on March 08, 2012, 05:26:09 PM
Youtube replaced the music I was using in that video  ::MonkeyHaHa::

It is a powerful piece!   They did OK with the music they substituted.

Beautifully done.


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Post by: Ono on March 08, 2012, 05:28:55 PM
Yep - over 5k is a promo now  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 08, 2012, 05:48:56 PM
Janet!   ::HelloKitty::  You were missed...welcome back!  ::MonkeyDance::

I was just about ready to post the following reminder of the presentation by Beth.

http://www2.tricities.com/entertainment/2012/mar/08/calendars-ar-1746907/

Calendars
Check out calenars for many events in the area.

By: Mary Dutton | Bristol Herald Courier
Published: March 08, 2012 Updated: March 08, 2012 - 12:00 AM

Quote
2012 DISCOVERY SERIES: Bristol Public Library, J. Henry Kegley Meeting Room, March 22, 7 p.m. Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway will speak, answer questions and sign her book, Loving Natalee. $50 will support library programs and provide access to the private meet and greet at 6 p.m. reserved seating and a hardcover copy of Beth Holloways’ book. (276) 8821-6148 or marketing@bristol-library.org.


Hi Grace

Hubby and I went to Vancouver Island for a couple of days to visit with Eldest son and family as well as hubby's sister and BIL.  Five year old grandson returned with us for a mini vacation with Mama and Papa.  Teachers in BC are on strike so his kindergarten classes are not happening.

Grace ... I am somewhat preoccupied right now outside of the computer room.  Large family gathering on my side of the family taking place at daughter's home.  My aunt is turning 100.  What an amazing lady.  Anyways ... three out of town guests will be staying with us.

Nevertheless ... I am checking the SM NH forum  every day anticipating updates on the Joran van der Sloot saga as well as the upcoming defamation trial.

Grace ... I am somewhat preoccupied right now outside of the computer room.  Large family gathering on my side of the family taking place at daughter's home.  Out of town guests will be staying with us.  I really appreciated posted updates on Beth's Bristol speaking engagements.  There are still tickets available.  I wonder if CBB has purchased her ticket yet?

Busy Busy Busy

 ::monkeydust::

Janet 



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Post by: yuknomenot on March 08, 2012, 08:19:54 PM
Photo at link

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/104272-bus-vol-gewonde-toeristen

Google translation

Bus full of wounded tourists
Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:51

ORANGE CITY - A tour bus with about 40 tourists stopped yesterday at the Horacio Oduber Hospital (HOH). 27 of them had in fact burn under the feet. That was the reason that they all sat with their feet up on the bus (see photo).  The victims were hopping the bus to leave. Wheelchairs or carrying the first aid they could reach the hospital. It is unclear what the tourists have done so they have sustained these injuries. Reportedly, she walked over hot coals. The bus company that was hired by the private group, could not indicate what the tourists had done, they claimed the only bus available. The spokesman of the hospital this morning could not give information about the cause of the burns.

People still haven't learned nothing good comes from a trip to Aruba.  I must be horribly warped, I'm sure the pain was excrutiating, but this story made me laugh.  Surely it's just the translation and they didn't really walk on a bed of coals, but I envisioned them being told it wouldn't hurt to walk on them.  27 people had burned feet, that's just crazy.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 08, 2012, 10:05:45 PM
Texasmom, would you be able to translate this article?  TIA
The tourists were from an all-inclusive hotel?  Did they have to pay $300 for medical service?  How did they get the burns on their feet?

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/44192-mas-cu-20-turista-a-yega-herida-cu-kemadura-na-hospital

Mas cu 20 turista a yega herida cu kemadura na Hospital     
Wednesday, 07 March 2012 22:12 

Riba 20 turista a yega diaranzon anochi na Dr Horacio Oduber Hospital cu kemadurnan leve. E bus tabata tin como 40 turista y parce cu 27 lo tabata herida. Tur cos ta mustra cu e turistanan aki mester a bai haci un aventura cu a laganan herida.

Cu un compania conoci di bus priva cu ta haci turismo y cu nan mes a huur a hiba nan na un lugar. No ta mucho conoci unda exactamente nan a bai. Contal cu nan a yega diaranzon anochi sinta cu pia na halto den e bus y cu heridanan leve. A cuminsa mesora pa duna nan un man. Esnan di servicio di emergencia a core duna un man y pasa mira cual di e turistanan tabata tin kemadura mas serio. Tin cu a ser carga hiba paden, otronan a bula riba un solo pia bai paden y tambe mester a haci uso di rolstul pa logra hiba algun di nan te den eerste hulp. Esnan di e compania di bus no tabata sa mes kiko tabata intencion di e turistanan. Nan a haci e transporte y despues a resulta cu nan lo a bai haci aventuranan canando riba carbon cu tur consecuencia. E turistanan ta kedando na un hotel highrise all inclusive na Palm Beach. Cada turista parce mester bai paga alrededor di 300 dollar pa cabez pa e asistencia cu nan mester haya na servicio di emergencia di Aruba.


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Post by: jamcakes on March 08, 2012, 10:59:12 PM
Trouble in paradise
Posted on Mar 07, 2012 by Nicole Fano
Prof: spring break stigma ‘very, very rare’

MTV’s “Spring Break” special has portrayed the college recess in a tropical atmosphere that is filled with alcohol, drugs and sexual temptations. Fast forward to 2005 when high school senior Natalee Holloway mysteriously disappeared during a spring break trip to Aruba — and the stigma of the college trend became known for more than just drunken fun in the sun.

Though safety risks always exist while traveling, the social narrative of a malicious stranger who preys on an innocent woman is not the statistical reality.

“In terms of things like abductions, those are very unlikely,” said Alan Bruce, the director of the criminal justice program and an associate sociology professor who specializes in crime and media. “I don’t want to give the impression that because something is very, very rare we shouldn’t be concerned about it. At the same time, we need to say, ‘Well yeah, this could happen, but what is the real likelihood?’”

An estimated 1,125,000 U.S. college students travel during spring break each year, according to Classes and Careers, a college advisory website.

Many students travel to unsupervised tropical destinations where they engage in risky behaviors such as binge drinking, drug use and sex with strangers.

“[The reputation] has changed somewhat from being about ‘party time’ to there being heightened emphasis on the possibility of more criminal activity, in particular of abductions, and warning against those dangers,” Bruce said.

Since Holloway’s highly publicized disappearance, many media organizations have reported on the perils of spring break activities. This has led many to adopt the social ideology that college women are in more danger than college men while vacationing on spring break.

 ::snipping2::

“Girls are more vulnerable, they are lightweights,” D’Ascanio said. “Guys are more in control of what they do and girls can be more influenced by other people.”

According to a University of Michigan study in 2011, men were more likely than women to engage in dangerous behavior while on spring break. The study found that 29 percent of men said they would get drunk, while 18 percent of women said they would reach the point of intoxication. In addition, four times as many men as women said they had plans to have sex with a stranger.

Senior Elizabeth Palmer has plans to visit South Padre Island, Texas, during spring break. She says while certain dangers do exist for men, women have a higher chance of being taken advantage of.

“Not only are we more likely to get something slipped in our drinks, but if something happened to me I don’t think I would be able to fight back as well as a guy because I’m smaller,” Palmer said. “I know my parents are much more worried about me and my friends traveling alone than my younger brother and his friends for these reasons.”

While spring break dangers may be different for men and women, Bruce says safety consciousness should be a priority for all students — despite their gender.

“Everybody needs to be more careful. I think it’s unfair to place that burden on women alone. It says to women you’ve got to behave in a certain way, whereas guys, you’re off the hook, you can do whatever you want,” Bruce said. “I think it’s unfair to frame [safety] that way.”

While the potential for crime always exists, being aware of probable occurrence is important, according to Bruce.

In 2006, the American Medical Association conducted a survey which found that women who went away on spring break did engage in some dangerous behaviors.

The study said 53 percent of women who went on spring break regretted vomiting from too much alcohol, 21 percent regretted blacking out from drinking and 20 percent regretted engaging in sexual activity.

Sophomore Molly Noonan plans to travel to Barcelona, Spain, over spring break. She says while safety risks depend on the travel location, women face more danger than men on average.

“I think for girls, it’s definitely harder to keep yourself safe because I feel like guys are always after girls, especially on spring break when they’re drinking and having fun,” Noonan said. “I feel like boys are less likely to be targeted.”

While women are victims of violence every year, anonymous attacks are not the norm.

The majority of all female victims knew their attacker in all cases of stalking and sexual violence, according to the 2010 National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey.

While social deviants like Holloway’s suspected killer Joran Van Der Sloot do exist, Bruce says media outlets exaggerate their popularity.

“I think without a doubt, the media overemphasizes the idea of people being evil,” Bruce said. “They do overemphasize the likelihood that someone will be victimized by a person like that because while they do exist, they are very, very rare.”

http://www.quchronicle.com/2012/03/trouble-in-paradise/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2012, 12:05:23 AM
Texasmom, would you be able to translate this article?  TIA
The tourists were from an all-inclusive hotel?  Did they have to pay $300 for medical service?  How did they get the burns on their feet?

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/44192-mas-cu-20-turista-a-yega-herida-cu-kemadura-na-hospital

Mas cu 20 turista a yega herida cu kemadura na Hospital     
Wednesday, 07 March 2012 22:12 

Riba 20 turista a yega diaranzon anochi na Dr Horacio Oduber Hospital cu kemadurnan leve. E bus tabata tin como 40 turista y parce cu 27 lo tabata herida. Tur cos ta mustra cu e turistanan aki mester a bai haci un aventura cu a laganan herida.

Cu un compania conoci di bus priva cu ta haci turismo y cu nan mes a huur a hiba nan na un lugar. No ta mucho conoci unda exactamente nan a bai. Contal cu nan a yega diaranzon anochi sinta cu pia na halto den e bus y cu heridanan leve. A cuminsa mesora pa duna nan un man. Esnan di servicio di emergencia a core duna un man y pasa mira cual di e turistanan tabata tin kemadura mas serio. Tin cu a ser carga hiba paden, otronan a bula riba un solo pia bai paden y tambe mester a haci uso di rolstul pa logra hiba algun di nan te den eerste hulp. Esnan di e compania di bus no tabata sa mes kiko tabata intencion di e turistanan. Nan a haci e transporte y despues a resulta cu nan lo a bai haci aventuranan canando riba carbon cu tur consecuencia. E turistanan ta kedando na un hotel highrise all inclusive na Palm Beach. Cada turista parce mester bai paga alrededor di 300 dollar pa cabez pa e asistencia cu nan mester haya na servicio di emergencia di Aruba.


Here's the Papiamentu translation, but it doesn't really make anything clearer imo.  I'd read it at lunch today but couldn't decide what happened except that their feet were burned.  I think that they very well could have had to pay that much each for treatment.  IIRC some new guidelines that came out a while ago allow the hospital to charge tourists pretty much as they please for treatment.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

more cu 20 tourist owing to arrive injury cu kemadura at hospital

wednesday, 07 march 2012 22:12

on 20 tourist owing to arrive diaranzon night at dr horacio oduber hospital cu kemadurnan leve. the bus was have because; 40 tourist y seems cu 27 will was injury. all cos is show cu the turistanan here have to owing to go haci one adventure cu owing to laganan injury. cu one compania conoci of bus priva cu is haci turism y cu they self owing to huur owing to take away they at one lugar. do not mucho conoci where exactly they owing to go. contal cu they owing to arrive diaranzon night sit cu leg at high in the bus y cu heridanan leve. owing to cuminsa at once for give they one hand. esnan of servicio of emergencia owing to core give one hand y happen see cual of the turistanan was have kemadura more earnest. have cu owing to being carga take away inside, others owing to fly on one sun leg go inside y also have to owing to haci usage of rolstul for succeed take away some of they till in eerste hulp. esnan of the compania of bus not was know self what was intencion of the turistanan. they owing to haci the transporte y after owing to resulta cu they will owing to go haci aventuranan canando on carbon cu all consecuencia. the turistanan is kedando at one hotel highrise all inclusive at palm beach. cada tourist seems have to go pay alrededor of 300 dollar for cabez for her asistencia cu they have to achieve at servicio of emergencia of aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2012, 01:11:57 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 09, 2012, 10:04:50 PM
Looks like they were performing some kind of ritual, maybe actually walking on hot coals, as some refer to as firewalking?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/44242-posibel-demanda-contra-pais-aruba-dor-di-victimanan-di-ritual-patras-di-lighthouse

Papiamentu translation:

possible demanda contra country aruba by of victimanan of ritual behind lighthouse

thursday, 08 march 2012 22:30

ritual is thing was take lugar behind lighthouse. already end owing to menciona of one cantidad of person cu owing to stay injury because they owing to burn they leg during ritual. none wanted owing to tell what owing to sosode exactly y where they owing to comete the acto for stay injury bao of they plant of leg.

seems cu the ritual here they owing to yame salto of candela. some hundred metre some east of lighthouse the bus owing to descend the are of 40 tourist. eynan none person know what they owing to go haci. the bus owing to descend they y owing to stay of busca they bek. esey owing to sosode also but not can owing to go descend they at hotel but more bien at ehbo. here is deal of one are of turistanan entrenan colombiano kedando at hotel river. all cos is show cu they owing to pay one suma overall of 15 thousand dollar overall at the supuesto bruho. in the ground was have carbon y rond several candle. hour cu the situation owing to become earnest y cu 27 of the turistanan owing to stay burn bao of they leg the bruho owing to huy let everybody behind. they have to owing to keep the bus busca they bek y djey follow for ehbo. diahuebs in day some of esnan cu is representa the are owing to go back at the lugar. eynan owing to saca photograph y coy several evidencia of carbon saca for of in sand. also owing to happen hand for some candle cu owing to stay behind. in oranan of nightfall seems cu the bruho owing to go back at the lugar or owing to send a. past owing to haci full one clean up of his lugar of haci ritual. owing to stay still tog carbon witch in the sand. the victimanan owing to achieve one cara abao for form part of algo diabolico. now is odd tog cu they wanted demanda country aruba for one locura cu they owing to go comete.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2012.maart.08.Ritual.JPG)


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Post by: grace-land on March 09, 2012, 11:57:47 PM
Thank you, texasmom, for the translation of the articles!  Firewalking?  A ritual?  If I understand it correctly, the tourists paid $15,000 for that experience?   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::  Well, at least it helped the economy.  ::MonkeyWink::

http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/arts/circus-arts/firewalking1.htm

Quote
There are a couple of things to notice about any firewalking event:

•Firewalkers are not actually firewalkers. They are really coalwalkers. The fire is lit well ahead of time to allow the wood to burn down to non-flaming coals.
•The event is always held at night. If it were done during daylight, the bed of coals would look instead like a bed of ashes. There is always a layer of ash covering the coals. By doing it at night, the glowing red light is still visible through this layer of ash. Photo courtesy The Florida Pagan Gathering The hot coals are covered with a layer of ash.
•The firewalker never dawdles. Now, no self-respecting firewalker would run across the coals -- that would be undignified. But firewalkers certainly are walking briskly. You never see firewalkers standing on the coals.
So what is going on here? Firewalking depends on a combination of poor conduction, insulation and a short time span.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: wreck on March 10, 2012, 03:15:35 AM
Quote
Firewalking depends on a combination of poor conduction, insulation and a short time span.
Exactly! It is a ruse!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Ono on March 10, 2012, 01:44:53 PM
Quote
Firewalking depends on a combination of poor conduction, insulation and a short time span.
Exactly! It is a ruse!  ::MonkeyCool::

The spelling of Aruba should be changed to:  A-ruse-a.   


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 10, 2012, 01:49:00 PM
Quote
Firewalking depends on a combination of poor conduction, insulation and a short time span.
Exactly! It is a ruse!  ::MonkeyCool::

The spelling of Aruba should be changed to:  A-ruse-a.   

 ::MonkeyDevil::


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Post by: texasmom on March 10, 2012, 07:14:44 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/11689847/__Marinier_overleden_op_Aruba__.html

Google translation:

Sat 10 Mar 2012, 11:53 | read on
Marine traffic accidents deceased by Aruba

THE HAGUE  - A traffic accident on Aruba's Friday (local time) a 33-year old Dutch marines were killed. Three other Marines were injured, one of them seriously, said the Defense Ministry Saturday.

Research is still how the accident happened. On very short term, experts from the military police to fly to Aruba on the spot investigation.

The wounded Marines were treated in hospital.



Here it is on Awe24, pretty bad accident. 

http://www.awe24.com/20120309/10084/Otro_morto_den_trafico_accidente_pisa_na_e_cruzada_di_Mahuma_cu_2_marinier


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 10, 2012, 07:15:08 PM
http://www.kearneyhub.com/news/local/article_4088d1b2-6a15-11e1-9ca1-0019bb2963f4.html
Profiler: Killers stupid people
March 9, 2012

 ::snipping2::
Brown has spent a lot of time studying the behavior of serial killers and psychopaths and said many are careless, unintelligent and nothing like they’re portrayed on TV.

“You really aren’t looking at brilliant people. You’re looking at stupid people who get lucky,” she said. “You don’t really see fancy things. They kill them and they’re over it. They get off on the killing.”

Many serial killers and psychopaths also have early behavioral problems, as did Ted Bundy, Joran van der Sloot, Scott Peterson and the BTK Killer.

“There’s no such thing as a crime of passion. There’s just a psychopath whose decided to do something,” she said.


For more information on Brown, go to www.patbrownprofiling.com.


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 10, 2012, 07:18:45 PM
Maybe there aren't a lot of abductions, but I believe there are many crimes that go under reported during spring break, including date rapes and etc.  Ignorance isn't bliss when it comes to Spring Break. JMHO

http://www.quchronicle.com/2012/03/trouble-in-paradise/
Trouble in paradise
Prof: spring break stigma ‘very, very rare’
By Nicole Fano
March 7, 2012

MTV’s “Spring Break” special has portrayed the college recess in a tropical atmosphere that is filled with alcohol, drugs and sexual temptations. Fast forward to 2005 when high school senior Natalee Holloway mysteriously disappeared during a spring break trip to Aruba — and the stigma of the college trend became known for more than just drunken fun in the sun.

Though safety risks always exist while traveling, the social narrative of a malicious stranger who preys on an innocent woman is not the statistical reality.

“In terms of things like abductions, those are very unlikely,” said Alan Bruce, the director of the criminal justice program and an associate sociology professor who specializes in crime and media. “I don’t want to give the impression that because something is very, very rare we shouldn’t be concerned about it. At the same time, we need to say, ‘Well yeah, this could happen, but what is the real likelihood?’”
 ::snipping2::
While women are victims of violence every year, anonymous attacks are not the norm.

The majority of all female victims knew their attacker in all cases of stalking and sexual violence, according to the 2010 National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey.

While social deviants like Holloway’s suspected killer Joran Van Der Sloot do exist, Bruce says media outlets exaggerate their popularity.

“I think without a doubt, the media overemphasizes the idea of people being evil,” Bruce said. “They do overemphasize the likelihood that someone will be victimized by a person like that because while they do exist, they are very, very rare.”


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 10, 2012, 07:33:43 PM
Regardless of the opinion of the folks that wrote the above article, I think the work Beth Holloway does is important.  I was going through the news and saw the article and posted it.  Perhaps the authors and those interviewed aren't that familiar with the way things work in some places, in Aruba for example.  How many young women may have been slipped a mickey, raped and then dropped off at the beach or wherever and the crime isn't reported because the victim may not remember what happened or may be too ashamed to report it. 

There may not be that many abductions statistically, but as I noted, I think a lot goes unreported.  JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 10, 2012, 08:35:18 PM
Regardless of the opinion of the folks that wrote the above article, I think the work Beth Holloway does is important.  I was going through the news and saw the article and posted it.  Perhaps the authors and those interviewed aren't that familiar with the way things work in some places, in Aruba for example.  How many young women may have been slipped a mickey, raped and then dropped off at the beach or wherever and the crime isn't reported because the victim may not remember what happened or may be too ashamed to report it

There may not be that many abductions statistically, but as I noted, I think a lot goes unreported.  JMHO

bbm   ...or their last evening on the island.  :sad:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 10, 2012, 08:46:49 PM
Another article about the accident.

http://arubaherald.com/911/2122-dutch-marine-is-fourth-2012-traffic-death.html

Dutch marine is fourth 2012 traffic death       
Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:48 

Friday evening just after 10:30 p.m. four people were injured in a car accident at the Mahuma intersection. Police closed off the road. One victim was on the ground and three in the car, of which two were stuck in the car and badly injured. One of the victims passed away during the night.

Eye witnesses said the burgundy car (A-54176) was speeding, the driver lost control and smashed the car into the security barrier at the Mahuma bridge. The passenger side of the car was destroyed. Fire department rescue workers got the two victims that were stuck out of the car. Four ambulances were escorted by police to the hospital. An investigation is ongoing. The Dutch Ministry of Defense also issued a statement on the accident as the men are Dutch Marines stationed at the base in Savaneta.  ::snipping2::
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Mahuma bridge

http://www.flickr.com/photos/markoespinoza/2113685037/


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Post by: grace-land on March 10, 2012, 08:53:26 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/104425-violence-remains-a-matter-of-concern-in-kia

‘Violence remains a matter of concern in KIA’       
Friday, 9 March 2012 11:15
 
ORANJESTAD/THE HAGUE — Violence between prisoners, understaffing, bad treatment by personnel – such as pestering – and abuse of power in the women’s department. This outspoken criticism on the Correctional Institute Aruba (KIA) is given in the progress report on the prison system on Aruba by researchers Paul Vegter and Juan de Lange.By our correspondent
Otti Thomas

 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 11, 2012, 09:53:01 PM
Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

05/15/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Status Conference (RE PRE-TRIAL MOTIONS/MOTIONS INLIMINE)

05/16/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Status Conference ((2ND DAY) RE PRE-TRIAL MOTIONS &MOTIONS IN LIMINE)

04/08/2013 at 08:32 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

04/22/2013 at 09:00 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (10 WEEKS)



(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/MinuteOrder030212.jpg)

Motions in Limine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_in_limine


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 11, 2012, 10:01:16 PM
Joran's former attorney and former "best friend" from Castro Castro.

http://peru.com/actualidad/caso-fefer-abogado-trujillo-ospina-le-aconseja-silencio-noticia-46179

Google translation

Sunday March 11, 2012 - 3:51
Fefer Case: Lawyer advises silence Trujillo Ospina

Lima. Maximum Highness, who defended Joran van der Sloot, the young murderer of Stephany Flores, now is an advocate of the perpetrator of the crime of the entrepreneur Myriam Fefer, Alejandro Trujillo Ospina.

According reiterated his client could be eligible for early termination although it believes the allegations of the prosecution are not true, as it ensures that Colombia is not a hit and entered the woman's house to steal.

"I will advise my client invoking the right to silence, no longer testify in the trial, because he has no reason for that. Since the lawyers on the other hand see how your problem solved, "he said in remarks to the" Sunday a day. "

This, said he expected the nicknamed 'Clown' receives a sentence of 25 years in prison and at 9 and could be eligible for prison privileges.

The prosecution asked for the Colombian murderer sentenced to 35 years in prison.
 ::snipping2::
-----------------------

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-06-17/news/27067495_1_holloway-case-van-der-sloot-american-natalee-holloway

Joran Van der Sloot makes prison pal called 'The Clown,' Aruba wants to know more about Holloway
Thursday, June 17, 2010
 
  ::snipping2::
When they aren't in Trujillo's cell watching TV, the pair trade stories and play cards, a prison official told NBC's "Today" show.

"The Clown" has even given his new cellmate his own nickname - "Psychopath."

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-08-25/justice/peru.vandersloot.photo_1_van-der-sloot-disappearance-of-alabama-teenager?_s=PM:CRIME

Peru investigates van der Sloot prison picture
August 25, 2010

Authorities in Peru said they have begun disciplinary action against jailers who photographed suspected killer Joran van der Sloot posing with two other men held in connection with high-profile killings there.

The photo, first aired by the Peruvian television network America TV, shows the 22-year-old van der Sloot standing alongside fellow inmates Hugo Trujillo Ospina and William Trickett Smith II. A fourth man in the picture is not identified.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 11, 2012, 10:14:54 PM
Thank you, klaas!  Thank you to the person who pays for the documents!

Unbelievable...the jury trial will be on April 22, 2013!

Could it be because a new judge took over the case?


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Post by: KittyMom on March 11, 2012, 10:54:08 PM
I want to know how Urine is coping in his new home.  Has he gotten worms yet?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 11, 2012, 11:05:07 PM
Thank you, klaas!  Thank you to the person who pays for the documents!

Unbelievable...the jury trial will be on April 22, 2013!

Could it be because a new judge took over the case?



OMG, I wasn't paying attention.  I didn't notice 2013 - so they bumped it up a year!  This could go on FOREVER!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 11, 2012, 11:17:30 PM
Thank you, klaas!  Thank you to the person who pays for the documents!

Unbelievable...the jury trial will be on April 22, 2013!

Could it be because a new judge took over the case?


 ::MonkeyShocked::

2013!!!

Thanks Grace.  Thanks Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 12, 2012, 12:28:50 AM
I want to know how Urine is coping in his new home.  Has he gotten worms yet?


IIRC, JVS is not happy at Piedras Gordas, and the judge is expected to rule in April if he stays there or returns to Castro Castro.
On the other hand, maybe he has made some new "friends" and is coping very well.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: wreck on March 12, 2012, 08:04:57 AM
Well, they are "hearing motions" in May 2012 --- it could still get dismissed.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 12, 2012, 04:33:16 PM
Another one of the Dutch Marines from the car accident died.

http://www.awe24.com/20120312/10111/Dialuna_merdia_a_drenta_e_tristo_noticia_cu_e_otro_victima_marinier_di_e

Papiamentu translation:

monday afternoon owing to enter the tristo news cu the another victima marinier of the accidente at mahuma owing to fayece

1 hora happen come across, 12 of march 2012 14:39

monday afternoon owing to enter the tristo news cu the another victima marinier f. of the accidente at mahuma owing to end of fayece at dr. horacio oduber hospital. here one rato we will follow informa, cu more imagen.....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 12, 2012, 04:46:25 PM
http://www.awe24.com/20120311/10105/Famianan_di_e_victima_di_accidente_fatal_e_marinier_CM_Hendrikse_ta_bin_busca

Papiamentu translation:

famianan of the victima of accidente fateful the marinier c.m. hendrikse is come busca the curpa

20 hora happen come across, 11 of march 2012 20:00

the family of the victima of accidente fateful the marinier c. m. hendrikse is biniendo aruba for busca the curpa. we owing to ricibi informe cu already at inicio of march one of the mariniernan here was envolvi in one accidente at sasaki where they owing to bolter y owing to resulta levemente injury. at famianan of the fayecido we is extende we more sincero words of condolencia.

(http://ba1.sim-img.net/awe24_archive/10105/1_1331517103.jpg)

http://www.diario.aw/2012/03/curpa-di-marinier-hendriske-lo-ser-manda-hulanda/

Papiamentu translation:

curpa of marinier hendriske will being send the netherlands

publication: monday, 12 march 2012.

categoria: general

oranjestad(aan):te now here the curpa of the marinier j.c.m. hendrikse naci at the netherlands 20-11-1987 is in beslag but so cu fiscal give the curpa pound will send this the netherlands. will acerca one funeraria local cu will take the curpa over y haci the tramitenan necesario. all this provided that cordinacion cu police militar. apart from esey have the are of police militar of the netherlands cu is at caminda for aruba for reforza they coleganan cu is at aruba for haci the investigacion. have palabracion among autoridad dutch y of aruba caminda hour one caso so sosode the polisnan mlitar dutch is take over. the rol of police of trafico at aruba is stay immidiately because; one refuerzo diminutive for esnan of the netherlands kizas in the part tecnico. the marinier here have some time at aruba y as cualkier another they're come for 9 month. in the caso here past owing to lose his life y have one dolor big close the other coleganan in kazerne cu perdida they of they amigo y colega. velocidad high is cause principal of the accidente here. esun sit behind near of passenger y the passenger sit near of chofer is esnan cu owing to achieve more golpi in the desgracia of cual uno owing to fayece perdiendo till even one braza. esun sit behind also is critico y is in cuido intensivo. once more peace at his restonan.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 12, 2012, 04:59:46 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/11702603/__Tweede_marinier_bezweken__.html

Google translation:

Mon 12 Mar 2012, 21:18 | read on

Second Marine died after accidentally Aruba

ORANGE CITY  - A second Marine is Monday succumbed to the effects of a serious traffic accident that happened Friday on Aruba. It is a 19-year-old man. Reported that the Public Prosecutor in Aruba and a spokesman for the Royal Navy on Monday. A 24-year-old Marine died earlier by the accident.
 
In the accident were two other Marines were injured.

The Aruba Police Force investigating the accident along with the Royal Military Police because of the involvement of Dutch troops. The island is a call made to witnesses to come forward.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 12, 2012, 07:06:38 PM
Beth Holloway to lead off 2012 Discovery Series  
 
Keeping with current events, the Bristol Public Library would like to announce the first speaker of the 2012 Discovery Series, Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway. The event will be held on Thursday, March 22nd at 7:30 p.m.

Holloway talks about life, courage in sheer adversity, and travel safety.

The purchase of a $50 ticket will support Library programs and will provide the ticketholder with access to the Private Meet & Greet, reserved seating to the public presentation, and a complimentary copy of Beth Holloway’s book Loving Natalee. All other seats are free general admission. Tickets and seating are limited.

Her presentation to the public is set to begin at 7:30 p.m. in the J. Henry Kegley Meeting Room. She will speak, answer questions and sign books during this time.

<snipped>

For questions about this Discovery Series event or any other library programs, call 276.821.6148 or email marketing@bristol-library.org

http://www.btcs.org/Default.asp?PN='News2'&SubP='DNewsStory'&gn=&DivisionID=&DepartmentID=&SubDepartmentID=&NewsID=32953&ShowNav=&StoryGroup=Current


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Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2012, 03:18:34 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2012, 11:35:56 AM
Photo at link

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/104272-bus-vol-gewonde-toeristen

Google translation

Bus full of wounded tourists
Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:51

ORANGE CITY - A tour bus with about 40 tourists stopped yesterday at the Horacio Oduber Hospital (HOH). 27 of them had in fact burn under the feet. That was the reason that they all sat with their feet up on the bus (see photo).  The victims were hopping the bus to leave. Wheelchairs or carrying the first aid they could reach the hospital. It is unclear what the tourists have done so they have sustained these injuries. Reportedly, she walked over hot coals. The bus company that was hired by the private group, could not indicate what the tourists had done, they claimed the only bus available. The spokesman of the hospital this morning could not give information about the cause of the burns.


Video of what happened behind the lighthouse that caused all of those burns.  Yes, they were firewalking!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/44456-video-con-mas-cu-60-colombiano-a-kima-trapando-candela-patras-di-light-house

Papiamentu translation:

video con more cu 60 colombiano owing to burn trapando candela behind light house

tuesday, 13 march 2012 02:36

dim lights the realidad owing to come fast. do not 27 but because; 60 colombiano owing to burn they self. the cos here owing to sosode behind light house. in two bus alrededor of 100 colombiano owing to go happen one test of fright. they're are procedente of colombia y seems cu majority is supuesto cientificonan. at colombia all the proceso owing to wordo prepara for they come aruba. so will happen one proof canando on candela. if they succeed happen on the candela nifica cu they owing to surpasa the degree of fright y will can enfrenta what cu is. finalmente more cu half owing to termina at ehbo for ricibi tratamento. keto keto they owing to busca yudanza because they know cu they owing to actua robez. is one locura thing cu the colombianona here owing to come haci at aruba. cu belanan rond of the candela the colombianonan was core happen on one cantidad of carbon cendi bury in sand. the danjo at we medio ambiente was visible behind light house. esnan cu owing to prepara all the evento cu luz of color style discoteca y speaker self owing to descend at water after in one van. they owing to go cu one beautiful recuerdo y esey is the kemadura cu they will stay cune bao of they pianan. click for see con the hendenan here was happen on the carbon bao of one cry of gladness cu one end painful. come across

From the video:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/03132012_24ora_firewalking.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2012, 02:55:50 PM
If I understand this correctly, two young girls were forced into a van at the beach and taken away.  They called the police and parents from their cellphones while in the van, and police tried to locate them, without success.  The people in the van must have realized that the girls were making calls and pushed them out of the van at another location. 

Scary!

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/44420-supuesto-caso-strano-di-secuestro-den-pleno-luz-di-dia-na-playa

Papiamentu translation:

supuesto caso odd of secuestro in pleno luz of day at beach

monday, 12 march 2012 20:01

monday nightfall algo happen of 3 or y mey of nightfall enter informacion cu one van color blanco owing to happen secuestra two child in beach y bay direccion east. the children owing to mantene contacto telefonico cu police y owing to stay comunica they posicion for cual owing to despacha police for follow behind the van.

police owing to busca the van in areanan of barcadera, mangel high, pos diminutive y savaneta but not owing to come across cu dicho van. owing to listra preventivamente several car cu was klop cu the descripcion but not owing to come across cu the children. some rato after the children owing to calling police bek y tell cu they're cu one aunt near of office of ex ontvanger at beach. police owing to cancela the buskeda at once. one caso assure very odd on one monday cu owing to bay particularmente trankil.

according informacion the two damitanan uno of 13 y another of 14 anja owing to go cumpra carni for her grandmother cu live in area of madiki. at dado instant the van blanco cual his number will is end cu 233 in the area of consales owing to push both in the van y bandona the lugar. they owing to core calling they parents via they celular. esnan in the van owing to feel cu they're in problem y at once owing to open the van bek y push both damita throw abroad near of ex ontvanger. police owing to take away both at recherche for take they declaracion. family was preocupa y owing to go keep of police for come across cu both young. after recherche also owing to go cu one of the damitanan bek at the area near of consales for so the splica more or less what owing to sosode. recherche wanted owing to achieve one view on the situation. esnan in the van was have bad intencion cu the menornan here but they intentonan owing to fracasa. have to remarca cu one of the hobennan envolvi some day happen was in news end hour family owing to beat alarma cu the was perdi. marduga past owing to arrive cas y owing to resulta cu the was cu one amigo at san nicolas y family was preocupa at beach.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 13, 2012, 03:02:20 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-1734-Peru-President%E2%80%99s-brother-had-access-to-cell-phone-Internet-while-in-Prison/

Peru: President’s brother had access to cell phone, Internet, while in prison
By Manuel Vigo
March 12, 2012

On Sunday local media reported that Antauro Humala had access to a cell phone while in prison.

According to ‘Cuarto Poder’ Antauro Humala – President Ollanta Humala’s brother – was able to send and receive emails from his prison cell in Piedras Gordas Prison, and was in contact with supporters, and even with government officials.
 ::snipping2::
Garcia Belaunde called on Justice Minister Juan Jimenez, and on Jose Luis Perez, head of the National Penitentiary Institute, to explain why Humala had been allowed to have access to a cell phone.

"One theory is that only he has privileges, and the other is that there is an absence of any prisoner control and they can all do the same. Both cases are bad, and there must be a tough stance to restore the principle of authority," he said.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 13, 2012, 04:33:30 PM
If I understand this correctly, two young girls were forced into a van at the beach and taken away.  They called the police and parents from their cellphones while in the van, and police tried to locate them, without success.  The people in the van must have realized that the girls were making calls and pushed them out of the van at another location. 

Scary!

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/44420-supuesto-caso-strano-di-secuestro-den-pleno-luz-di-dia-na-playa

Papiamentu translation:

supuesto caso odd of secuestro in pleno luz of day at beach

monday, 12 march 2012 20:01

monday nightfall algo happen of 3 or y mey of nightfall enter informacion cu one van color blanco owing to happen secuestra two child in beach y bay direccion east. the children owing to mantene contacto telefonico cu police y owing to stay comunica they posicion for cual owing to despacha police for follow behind the van.

police owing to busca the van in areanan of barcadera, mangel high, pos diminutive y savaneta but not owing to come across cu dicho van. owing to listra preventivamente several car cu was klop cu the descripcion but not owing to come across cu the children. some rato after the children owing to calling police bek y tell cu they're cu one aunt near of office of ex ontvanger at beach. police owing to cancela the buskeda at once. one caso assure very odd on one monday cu owing to bay particularmente trankil.

according informacion the two damitanan uno of 13 y another of 14 anja owing to go cumpra carni for her grandmother cu live in area of madiki. at dado instant the van blanco cual his number will is end cu 233 in the area of consales owing to push both in the van y bandona the lugar. they owing to core calling they parents via they celular. esnan in the van owing to feel cu they're in problem y at once owing to open the van bek y push both damita throw abroad near of ex ontvanger. police owing to take away both at recherche for take they declaracion. family was preocupa y owing to go keep of police for come across cu both young. after recherche also owing to go cu one of the damitanan bek at the area near of consales for so the splica more or less what owing to sosode. recherche wanted owing to achieve one view on the situation. esnan in the van was have bad intencion cu the menornan here but they intentonan owing to fracasa. have to remarca cu one of the hobennan envolvi some day happen was in news end hour family owing to beat alarma cu the was perdi. marduga past owing to arrive cas y owing to resulta cu the was cu one amigo at san nicolas y family was preocupa at beach.


Does this say that they are sure it is the girls' fault (and their parents)....they have been influenced by the US.....the men would never have done anything without an invitation...unless of course they are Colombian or some other immigrant.....or perhaps the whole story is made up....but just in case...the cell phone will be sent to the Netherlands for a six month triangulation test....???  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 13, 2012, 04:36:24 PM
Photo at link

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/104272-bus-vol-gewonde-toeristen

Google translation

Bus full of wounded tourists
Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:51

ORANGE CITY - A tour bus with about 40 tourists stopped yesterday at the Horacio Oduber Hospital (HOH). 27 of them had in fact burn under the feet. That was the reason that they all sat with their feet up on the bus (see photo).  The victims were hopping the bus to leave. Wheelchairs or carrying the first aid they could reach the hospital. It is unclear what the tourists have done so they have sustained these injuries. Reportedly, she walked over hot coals. The bus company that was hired by the private group, could not indicate what the tourists had done, they claimed the only bus available. The spokesman of the hospital this morning could not give information about the cause of the burns.


Video of what happened behind the lighthouse that caused all of those burns.  Yes, they were firewalking!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/44456-video-con-mas-cu-60-colombiano-a-kima-trapando-candela-patras-di-light-house

Papiamentu translation:

video con more cu 60 colombiano owing to burn trapando candela behind light house

tuesday, 13 march 2012 02:36

dim lights the realidad owing to come fast. do not 27 but because; 60 colombiano owing to burn they self. the cos here owing to sosode behind light house. in two bus alrededor of 100 colombiano owing to go happen one test of fright. they're are procedente of colombia y seems cu majority is supuesto cientificonan. at colombia all the proceso owing to wordo prepara for they come aruba. so will happen one proof canando on candela. if they succeed happen on the candela nifica cu they owing to surpasa the degree of fright y will can enfrenta what cu is. finalmente more cu half owing to termina at ehbo for ricibi tratamento. keto keto they owing to busca yudanza because they know cu they owing to actua robez. is one locura thing cu the colombianona here owing to come haci at aruba. cu belanan rond of the candela the colombianonan was core happen on one cantidad of carbon cendi bury in sand. the danjo at we medio ambiente was visible behind light house. esnan cu owing to prepara all the evento cu luz of color style discoteca y speaker self owing to descend at water after in one van. they owing to go cu one beautiful recuerdo y esey is the kemadura cu they will stay cune bao of they pianan. click for see con the hendenan here was happen on the carbon bao of one cry of gladness cu one end painful. come across

From the video:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/03132012_24ora_firewalking.png)


There are a lot of "spiritual" guidance and corporate retreats involving firewalking (and bending arrows).  Since they all have the same shirts...I would imagine it was training for their leaders/masters to qualify to perform the "classes' for others.  Hope they didn't pass.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 13, 2012, 05:24:59 PM
Another article about the two girls.  There might be more to this story?

http://arubaherald.com/911/2134-girls-escape-attempted-abduction.html

Girls escape attempted abduction       
Tuesday, 13 March 2012 11:08 

Monday afternoon police and their parents received calls from two girls, 13 and 14 years old, claiming they had been grabbed and pushed into a white van. They were on their way to buy meat for their grandmother at a supermarket in Madiki when they were snatched. They told police the van was heading in the direction of San Nicolas.

Police immediately started a search in the area known as "p'ariba di brug", including Pos Chikito, Savaneta and San Nicolas.

A while later the girls called again and said they were by the former tax offices, where they had been dropped off. Apparently the person or persons who had tried to abduct them felt threatened because of the girls' fast action in notifying their parents and authorities and thus returned them to the area where they had grabbed them. Police is conducting an investigation into exactly what happened.

A few days earlier one of the girls was reported missing by family, but returned home on her own. She had stayed at a friend's house and had failed to inform her loved ones.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 13, 2012, 05:41:11 PM
Censored video (in Spanish) at link

http://www.americatv.com.pe/portal/programas/entretenimiento/magazin/las-11-empieza-la-noche/multimedia/ao120312-tecnolog-buena-en-las-

Google translation

Good technology into the wrong hands

 ::snipping2::
The technology is accessible to everyone, even those who have banned the use of it for being in prison. Such is the case of the president's brother Antauro Humala, who was holding an iPhone with internet access while serving his sentence in the maximum security prison BBW Stone, where emails sent and took photographs.

Also, the murderer of the entrepreneur Myriam Fefer, Alejandro Trujillo Ospina, 2 weeks ago gave an interview to a TV via Web Cam. 2 months ago, it was revealed that the Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot, the young murderer of Stephany Flores, not only had a cell phone, but also had an entire entertainment center into his cell.

As technology makes our lives easier and helps the authorities to solve all crimes in the wrong hands can be used to violate the privacy of others. Certainly it is good that more people have access to technological tools, but the misuse of them, could also facilitate the offense inside prisons, where their use is strictly prohibited.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2012, 06:21:13 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-1734-Peru-President%E2%80%99s-brother-had-access-to-cell-phone-Internet-while-in-Prison/

Peru: President’s brother had access to cell phone, Internet, while in prison
By Manuel Vigo
March 12, 2012

On Sunday local media reported that Antauro Humala had access to a cell phone while in prison.

According to ‘Cuarto Poder’ Antauro Humala – President Ollanta Humala’s brother – was able to send and receive emails from his prison cell in Piedras Gordas Prison, and was in contact with supporters, and even with government officials.
 ::snipping2::
Garcia Belaunde called on Justice Minister Juan Jimenez, and on Jose Luis Perez, head of the National Penitentiary Institute, to explain why Humala had been allowed to have access to a cell phone.

"One theory is that only he has privileges, and the other is that there is an absence of any prisoner control and they can all do the same. Both cases are bad, and there must be a tough stance to restore the principle of authority," he said.


Thanks Grace

I believe that the Joran van der Sloot is currently being afforded appeasing privileges through some means to assure his silence regarding those who were participants in the corrupt Aruban investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.  It is either that it is just a matter of time until this guy will be permantly silenced.  Aruba/Netherlands will not all the house of cards encompassing Aruba's underground economies to collapse.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2012, 07:08:45 PM
SELF EDIT/LAST POST

not all the house s/b not allow the house


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: wreck on March 13, 2012, 07:54:18 PM
I still don't get just who in Peru is afraid of someone in Aruba or The Netherlands. Doesn't compute.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 13, 2012, 07:58:33 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-1734-Peru-President%E2%80%99s-brother-had-access-to-cell-phone-Internet-while-in-Prison/

Peru: President’s brother had access to cell phone, Internet, while in prison
By Manuel Vigo
March 12, 2012

On Sunday local media reported that Antauro Humala had access to a cell phone while in prison.

According to ‘Cuarto Poder’ Antauro Humala – President Ollanta Humala’s brother – was able to send and receive emails from his prison cell in Piedras Gordas Prison, and was in contact with supporters, and even with government officials.
 ::snipping2::
Garcia Belaunde called on Justice Minister Juan Jimenez, and on Jose Luis Perez, head of the National Penitentiary Institute, to explain why Humala had been allowed to have access to a cell phone.

"One theory is that only he has privileges, and the other is that there is an absence of any prisoner control and they can all do the same. Both cases are bad, and there must be a tough stance to restore the principle of authority," he said.


Thanks Grace

I believe that the Joran van der Sloot is currently being afforded appeasing privileges through some means to assure his silence regarding those who were participants in the corrupt Aruban investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.  It is either that it is just a matter of time until this guy will be permantly silenced.  Aruba/Netherlands will not all the house of cards encompassing Aruba's underground economies to collapse.

Janet



No "appeasing privileges" are needed.  If Joran said anything, about anything, people would say it's a lie. There have been many opportunities to permanently silence Joran for the last six and 1/2 years, if any government or "network"was interested.  I don't think he knows who-all and what-all of his father's connections kept him secure.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 13, 2012, 07:59:22 PM
I still don't get just who in Peru is afraid of someone in Aruba or The Netherlands. Doesn't compute.


 ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 13, 2012, 08:02:16 PM
Censored video (in Spanish) at link

http://www.americatv.com.pe/portal/programas/entretenimiento/magazin/las-11-empieza-la-noche/multimedia/ao120312-tecnolog-buena-en-las-

Google translation

Good technology into the wrong hands

 ::snipping2::
The technology is accessible to everyone, even those who have banned the use of it for being in prison. Such is the case of the president's brother Antauro Humala, who was holding an iPhone with internet access while serving his sentence in the maximum security prison BBW Stone, where emails sent and took photographs.

Also, the murderer of the entrepreneur Myriam Fefer, Alejandro Trujillo Ospina, 2 weeks ago gave an interview to a TV via Web Cam. 2 months ago, it was revealed that the Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot, the young murderer of Stephany Flores, not only had a cell phone, but also had an entire entertainment center into his cell.

As technology makes our lives easier and helps the authorities to solve all crimes in the wrong hands can be used to violate the privacy of others. Certainly it is good that more people have access to technological tools, but the misuse of them, could also facilitate the offense inside prisons, where their use is strictly prohibited.


Why don't they collect the items, sell them on Ebay and use the proceeds to hire some guards ??


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 13, 2012, 08:25:14 PM
Censored video (in Spanish) at link

http://www.americatv.com.pe/portal/programas/entretenimiento/magazin/las-11-empieza-la-noche/multimedia/ao120312-tecnolog-buena-en-las-

Google translation

Good technology into the wrong hands

 ::snipping2::
The technology is accessible to everyone, even those who have banned the use of it for being in prison. Such is the case of the president's brother Antauro Humala, who was holding an iPhone with internet access while serving his sentence in the maximum security prison BBW Stone, where emails sent and took photographs.

Also, the murderer of the entrepreneur Myriam Fefer, Alejandro Trujillo Ospina, 2 weeks ago gave an interview to a TV via Web Cam. 2 months ago, it was revealed that the Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot, the young murderer of Stephany Flores, not only had a cell phone, but also had an entire entertainment center into his cell.

As technology makes our lives easier and helps the authorities to solve all crimes in the wrong hands can be used to violate the privacy of others. Certainly it is good that more people have access to technological tools, but the misuse of them, could also facilitate the offense inside prisons, where their use is strictly prohibited.


Why don't they collect the items, sell them on Ebay and use the proceeds to hire some guards ??

Good idea.  ::MonkeyCool::

Challapalca -- has hired more guards after 17 prisoners escaped recently (16 recaptured; one dead)
Castro Castro  -- confiscated money, liquor, and cell phones from visitors recently
Piedras Gordas -- President's brother caught with cell phone and transferred to another prison; JVS is probably still waiting for a cell phone.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 13, 2012, 08:44:55 PM
ooops!  They confiscated from visitors at Lurigancho.

http://www.larepublica.pe/11-03-2012/detienen-personas-que-intentaban-ingresar-productos-prohibidos-al-penal-de-lurigancho

Google translation

Arrested people trying to enter the prohibited products Lurigancho
Sunday, March 11, 2012 | 8:35 a.m.

Peru's National Police managed to stop a group of women trying to enter the Lurigancho prohibited items like cell phones and liquor.

In the operation seized cans and bottles of beer and rum and cell chips were bound dangerous inmates.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2012, 10:03:23 PM
I have no doubt that the Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" are appeasing Joran van der Sloot while in a Peruvian lockup.  If this guy talks ... the house of cards regarding the corruption encompassing the Natalee Holloway case will collapse and ... those involved will be exposed.  IMO.

Janet

+++++

Judicial System
Individual Corruption


The Peruvian judicial system is tainted with corruption and official pressure, according to the US Department of State 2010. Similarly, Freedom House 2011 reports that corruption in the judiciary remains rampant. Also Transparency International's Global Corruption Barometer 2010 points out that the judiciary is among the most corrupt public institutions in Peru. According to the report, well over half of the surveyed households consider it as 'extremely corrupt', while more than a quarter reports having paid a bribe in 2009. Also, in the Proética Fifth National Survey on Corruption 2008, the surveyed citizens consider the judiciary to be among the most corrupt institutions in Peru. User surveys also indicate that unofficial payments affect both the speed and the final outcome of judicial processes.

<snipped>

http://www.business-anti-corruption.com/country-profiles/latin-america-the-caribbean/peru/corruption-levels/judicial-system/


San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #841 6/22/10 -
« Reply #1553 on: June 26, 2010, 12:47:13 AM »


I just have a feeling something even bigger is going to happen.  I have a feeling that Joran is going to throw people under the bus and start naming names.  Joran is mad and he will turn his anger towards Aruba for not helping him.  Everyone get ready to run.

People like:

Van der Straaten
Rudy Croes
Nelson Oduber
Karin Jannsen
Rick Smid
Bob Witt
Ben King
Michael Posner
Julia Renfro

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8145.msg1170391#msg1170391


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2012, 11:07:05 PM
If I understand this correctly, two young girls were forced into a van at the beach and taken away.  They called the police and parents from their cellphones while in the van, and police tried to locate them, without success.  The people in the van must have realized that the girls were making calls and pushed them out of the van at another location. 

Scary!

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/44420-supuesto-caso-strano-di-secuestro-den-pleno-luz-di-dia-na-playa

Papiamentu translation:

supuesto caso odd of secuestro in pleno luz of day at beach

monday, 12 march 2012 20:01

monday nightfall algo happen of 3 or y mey of nightfall enter informacion cu one van color blanco owing to happen secuestra two child in beach y bay direccion east. the children owing to mantene contacto telefonico cu police y owing to stay comunica they posicion for cual owing to despacha police for follow behind the van.

police owing to busca the van in areanan of barcadera, mangel high, pos diminutive y savaneta but not owing to come across cu dicho van. owing to listra preventivamente several car cu was klop cu the descripcion but not owing to come across cu the children. some rato after the children owing to calling police bek y tell cu they're cu one aunt near of office of ex ontvanger at beach. police owing to cancela the buskeda at once. one caso assure very odd on one monday cu owing to bay particularmente trankil.

according informacion the two damitanan uno of 13 y another of 14 anja owing to go cumpra carni for her grandmother cu live in area of madiki. at dado instant the van blanco cual his number will is end cu 233 in the area of consales owing to push both in the van y bandona the lugar. they owing to core calling they parents via they celular. esnan in the van owing to feel cu they're in problem y at once owing to open the van bek y push both damita throw abroad near of ex ontvanger. police owing to take away both at recherche for take they declaracion. family was preocupa y owing to go keep of police for come across cu both young. after recherche also owing to go cu one of the damitanan bek at the area near of consales for so the splica more or less what owing to sosode. recherche wanted owing to achieve one view on the situation. esnan in the van was have bad intencion cu the menornan here but they intentonan owing to fracasa. have to remarca cu one of the hobennan envolvi some day happen was in news end hour family owing to beat alarma cu the was perdi. marduga past owing to arrive cas y owing to resulta cu the was cu one amigo at san nicolas y family was preocupa at beach.


Does this say that they are sure it is the girls' fault (and their parents)....they have been influenced by the US.....the men would never have done anything without an invitation...unless of course they are Colombian or some other immigrant.....or perhaps the whole story is made up....but just in case...the cell phone will be sent to the Netherlands for a six month triangulation test....???  ::MonkeyNoNo::

IMO, no it doesn't...but it wouldn't surprise me at all if some will interpret it that way.
Or that the girls will be shamed into making it appear that way...at least somewhat.  Just enough so that the police won't be EXPECTED to FIND THE AHOLES IN THE VAN that abducted them! 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 13, 2012, 11:25:22 PM
Wasn't the same "fear" of the same "house of cards" falling stated as being the reason that...

Joran would be set free before there was ever a trial in Peru,
would never be convicted of anything,
would never receive a substantial sentence
and so many other speculations by the same devil's advocate?

Just sayin'    ::MonkeyWink::

::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyBike::  ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: wreck on March 14, 2012, 12:02:57 AM
Wasn't the same "fear" of the same "house of cards" falling stated as being the reason that...

Joran would be set free before there was ever a trial in Peru,
would never be convicted of anything,
would never receive a substantial sentence
and so many other speculations by the same devil's advocate?

Just sayin'    ::MonkeyWink::

::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyBike::  ::justice2NJ::


Seems to me that it would much easier and wiser for "the powers that be" to eliminate him rather than "appease" him.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2012, 11:19:38 AM
I have no doubt that the Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" are appeasing Joran van der Sloot while in a Peruvian lockup.  If this guy talks ... the house of cards regarding the corruption encompassing the Natalee Holloway case will collapse and ... those involved will be exposed.  IMO.

Janet

+++++

Judicial System
Individual Corruption


The Peruvian judicial system is tainted with corruption and official pressure, according to the US Department of State 2010. Similarly, Freedom House 2011 reports that corruption in the judiciary remains rampant. Also Transparency International's Global Corruption Barometer 2010 points out that the judiciary is among the most corrupt public institutions in Peru. According to the report, well over half of the surveyed households consider it as 'extremely corrupt', while more than a quarter reports having paid a bribe in 2009. Also, in the Proética Fifth National Survey on Corruption 2008, the surveyed citizens consider the judiciary to be among the most corrupt institutions in Peru.  User surveys also indicate that unofficial payments affect both the speed and the final outcome of judicial processes.

<snipped>

http://www.business-anti-corruption.com/country-profiles/latin-america-the-caribbean/peru/corruption-levels/judicial-system/


San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #841 6/22/10 -
« Reply #1553 on: June 26, 2010, 12:47:13 AM »


I just have a feeling something even bigger is going to happen.  I have a feeling that Joran is going to throw people under the bus and start naming names.  Joran is mad and he will turn his anger towards Aruba for not helping him.  Everyone get ready to run.

People like:

Van der Straaten
Rudy Croes
Nelson Oduber
Karin Jannsen
Rick Smid
Bob Witt
Ben King
Michael Posner
Julia Renfro

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8145.msg1170391#msg1170391



Joran's Attorney - Re: Joran's Big Win   

Date set for van der Sloot murder trial
Published: 11/25/2011 9:44 am
Updated: 11/26/2011 8:25 am


<snipped>

In September, the victim's family asked a three-judge panel for a more stringent charge akin to aggravated murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison, but the panel of judges ruled on the prosecution's side.

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro told CNN'S In Session this was a big win for his client. If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Date-set-for-van-der-Sloot-murder-trial/J1Yl6nagmkmRXf0qcfRMXA.cspx


Family Attorney - Re: Prosecutor's Discrepancies

Hearing for Van der Sloot held in Peru
12:01 PM, Sep 12, 2011


<snipped>

Alvarez said there were also some discrepancies with the evidence presented in the case and the official charges of voluntary manslaughter.

"We have said there are inconsistencies in the prosecution's account and its accusations, between the evidence it uses and what it is asking for.  These inconsistencies could bring about negative consequences at trial because it could result in a mistrial," Alvarez said.

<snipped>

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/article/172815/288/Hearing-for-Van-der-Sloot-held-in-Peru


Stephany's Father - Re: Joran's Excessive Privileges

Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST

 
<snipped>

After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

“Mr. Flores wants peace for his family. The damage is done and it is beyond repair,” he continued.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;topic=12557.260;num_replies=274

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2012, 11:24:14 AM
Peru, Netherlands Agree Extradition Treaty

THE HAGUE, 14/05/11 - The Netherlands and Peru have agreed an extradition treaty. As a result, Joran van der Sloot may be able to serve his sentence in his own country.

Foreign Minister Uri Rosenthal and his Peruvian opposite number Jose Antonio Garcia Belaunde signed a treaty on the transfer of sentenced persons and the enforcement of criminal judgments on Thursday. "The treaty allows residents of the Kingdom of the Netherlands who have been sentenced to prison by final and irrevocable judgment in Peru" to serve their sentence in the Netherlands, said Rosenthal.

Peruvians who are in prison in the Netherlands are also entitled to invoke the treaty. Both countries are under obligation to grant a detainee's request. The treaty will enter into force as soon as both parliaments have approved it.

The two ministers discussed, among other things, human rights, cooperation in efforts to stop drug trafficking, promotion of mutual investment and knowledge exchange in the areas of water management and cooperation in judicial and defence matters.

The foreign ministry says there are currently 117 Dutch nationals in Peruvian prisons. In 113 cases, they have been convicted of a drugs offence. The most well-known Dutch prisoner is Joran van der Sloot, in jail for the murder of a Peruvian girl.

Van der Sloot's case is not yet concluded. Depending on the sentence his client receives, his lawyer Maximo Altez does plan to make use of the new regulation.

<snipped>

http://www.nisnews.nl/public/140511_4.htm

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2012, 11:33:41 AM
Experts say Van der Sloot may only serve 10 years for Peru murder
November 23, 2011


Lima, Peru (Reuters) - Peruvian prosecutors will seek a 30-year-sentence in the murder trial of Dutch citizen Joran Van der Sloot instead of life in prison, the judiciary said on Tuesday (November 22).

<snipped>

Mario Amoretti, a Peruvian lawyer specializing in criminal law, said the public had expected prosecutors would try for a stiffer sentence against Van der Sloot but had to scale back their plans because of sentencing guidelines for murders in which robbery could be the primary motive.

<snipped>
 
If convicted in Peru, Amoretti says the Dutch citizen would be eligible for parole after having served 10 years and could finish out part of his sentence in his native country.
 
"Imagine that they sentence him to 30 years. According to the penitentiary legislation he could get out with penitentiary benefits in 10 years -- which is a third of his sentence -- for good behavior, sentence reduction for working, for a psychological evaluation that recommends he be processed and set free. And according to our penitentiary legislation there is the possibility that he could be transferred to the Netherlands to finish out his sentence -- even though there is no treaty like there is with Italy and the United States -- the transfer and shipping of prisoners to their home countries is, in this case, in order that there be a sense of reciprocity. Peru will send Van der Sloot to Holland so that if there is a Peruvian sentenced in Holland they might be sent to finish their sentence in Peru," Amoretti added.

<snipped>

http://www.ntn24.com/news/videos/experts-say-van-der-sloot-may-only-serve-10-years-peru-murder-7766

s.t.
 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Anna on March 14, 2012, 11:46:21 AM
Wasn't the same "fear" of the same "house of cards" falling stated as being the reason that...

Joran would be set free before there was ever a trial in Peru,
would never be convicted of anything,
would never receive a substantial sentence
and so many other speculations by the same devil's advocate?

Just sayin'    ::MonkeyWink::

::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyBike::  ::justice2NJ::




If Joran had anything to tell, he certainly would have done so long ago rather than share his "luxury" cell with the rats and the stench and the cold. 

It was the desire to preserve tourism at all costs that prevented the original investigation along with Paulus acting pretty much alone, IMO.

And the U.S. has dibs on Joran should he ever leave Peru.  I do believe that Peru will honor that before any agreement with The Netherlands where Joran had to run for his life from last time he was there.  Remember he won't be the biggest kid on the block in a Dutch prison either and he wouldn't be able to run to Thailand from them should he go back.  Not to mention the dozen or so Dutch prisoners who mysteriously burned to death while in prison in recent years.  Now how dos that happen in this day and age?

There are not enough cell phones on this planet to make me comfortable in a Peruvian prison.  Not enough Peruvian TV either.  And I like my heat in the winter.

But that's just me. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2012, 12:03:58 PM
Wasn't the same "fear" of the same "house of cards" falling stated as being the reason that...

Joran would be set free before there was ever a trial in Peru,
would never be convicted of anything,
would never receive a substantial sentence
and so many other speculations by the same devil's advocate?

Just sayin'    ::MonkeyWink::

::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyBike::  ::justice2NJ::




If Joran had anything to tell, he certainly would have done so long ago rather than share his "luxury" cell with the rats and the stench and the cold. 

It was the desire to preserve tourism at all costs that prevented the original investigation along with Paulus acting pretty much alone, IMO.

And the U.S. has dibs on Joran should he ever leave Peru.  I do believe that Peru will honor that before any agreement with The Netherlands where Joran had to run for his life from last time he was there.  Remember he won't be the biggest kid on the block in a Dutch prison either and he wouldn't be able to run to Thailand from them should he go back.  Not to mention the dozen or so Dutch prisoners who mysteriously burned to death while in prison in recent years.  Now how dos that happen in this day and age?

There are not enough cell phones on this planet to make me comfortable in a Peruvian prison.  Not enough Peruvian TV either.  And I like my heat in the winter.

But that's just me. 

 ::rhino::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2012, 12:30:27 PM
Wasn't the same "fear" of the same "house of cards" falling stated as being the reason that...

Joran would be set free before there was ever a trial in Peru,
would never be convicted of anything,
would never receive a substantial sentence
and so many other speculations by the same devil's advocate?

Just sayin'    ::MonkeyWink::

::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyBike::  ::justice2NJ::


Seems to me that it would much easier and wiser for "the powers that be" to eliminate him rather than "appease" him.

Me too, suicide...drive by shooting...car accident..."accidental" overdose...it could have been done in many ways that would have never been proven to be anything other than what the reports stated.

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2012, 01:00:01 PM

Joran's Attorney - Re: Joran's Big Win   

Date set for van der Sloot murder trial
Published: 11/25/2011 9:44 am
Updated: 11/26/2011 8:25 am


<snipped>

In September, the victim's family asked a three-judge panel for a more stringent charge akin to aggravated murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison, but the panel of judges ruled on the prosecution's side.

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro told CNN'S In Session this was a big win for his client. If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Date-set-for-van-der-Sloot-murder-trial/J1Yl6nagmkmRXf0qcfRMXA.cspx


Family Attorney - Re: Prosecutor's Discrepancies

Hearing for Van der Sloot held in Peru
12:01 PM, Sep 12, 2011


<snipped>

Alvarez said there were also some discrepancies with the evidence presented in the case and the official charges of voluntary manslaughter.

"We have said there are inconsistencies in the prosecution's account and its accusations, between the evidence it uses and what it is asking for.  These inconsistencies could bring about negative consequences at trial because it could result in a mistrial," Alvarez said.

<snipped>

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/article/172815/288/Hearing-for-Van-der-Sloot-held-in-Peru


Stephany's Father - Re: Joran's Excessive Privileges

Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST

 
<snipped>

After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

“Mr. Flores wants peace for his family. The damage is done and it is beyond repair,” he continued.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;topic=12557.260;num_replies=274

s.t.


The "excessive" privileges in the Peruvian lockup that Joran van der Sloot has been afforded since day one according to an investigation by Stephany Flores' father and family attorney as well as a 28 year sentence rather than a life sentence ... a 28 year sentence that translates into a 9 year sentence for a murder beyond brutual convinces me that negotiations on behalf of this monster were taking place behind the scenes since the getgo.  The timing of the extradition treaty ... coincident or not ... was icing on the cake.

Think about it.  Joran could not immediately walk.  The court of Peruvian public opinion and Ricardo Flores demanded justice.  There had to be at least an appearance that the justice process was prevailing.

++++++

Confession: Joran van der Sloot describes killing Stephany Flores
Published: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 2:51 PM
Updated: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 4:11 PM


<snipped>

Asked for a detailed description of the killing:

"She was on the bed when I hit her hard with my right elbow and I think her head went back and hit the wall, then she begins to bleed, immediately I get on top of her and with both hands I begin to strangle her, keeping her that way for a minute. After that, I throw her to the floor but she keeps breathing. At that moment I take off my shirt and put it on her face, pressing on it. I don't remember for how long but she stops breathing, in this way I think I caused her death."

<snipped>

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/confession_joran_van_der_sloot.html

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/06/joran-van-der-sloots-confession-read-entire-document-here


Joran van der Sloot sentenced to 28 years for murder of Peruvian woman
Published January 13, 2012


<snipped>

Joran van der Sloot has been sentenced to 28 years in prison after pleading guilty to the 2010 murder of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman he had met at a casino in Lima.

Van der Sloot was also ordered to pay $75,000 in reparations by a three-judge panel in Lima for the "cruel" and "ferocious" murder that took place exactly five years to the day after the disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba. He showed no emotion as the court clerk read the sentence, describing how he elbowed Flores in the face then beat and strangled her with his bloodied shirt

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-to-be-sentenced-for-murder-peruvian-woman/?test=latestnews


Judicial System
Individual Corruption


The Peruvian judicial system is tainted with corruption and official pressure, according to the US Department of State 2010. Similarly, Freedom House 2011 reports that corruption in the judiciary remains rampant. Also Transparency International's Global Corruption Barometer 2010 points out that the judiciary is among the most corrupt public institutions in Peru. According to the report, well over half of the surveyed households consider it as 'extremely corrupt', while more than a quarter reports having paid a bribe in 2009. Also, in the Proética Fifth National Survey on Corruption 2008, the surveyed citizens consider the judiciary to be among the most corrupt institutions in Peru.  User surveys also indicate that unofficial payments affect both the speed and the final outcome of judicial processes.

<snipped>

http://www.business-anti-corruption.com/country-profiles/latin-america-the-caribbean/peru/corruption-levels/judicial-system/

s.t.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2012, 05:33:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/104950-militair-nog-vast-na-dodelijk-ongeluk

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/03142012_Amigoe_DutchMarinesKilled.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2012, 05:42:30 PM
If I understand this correctly, two young girls were forced into a van at the beach and taken away.  They called the police and parents from their cellphones while in the van, and police tried to locate them, without success.  The people in the van must have realized that the girls were making calls and pushed them out of the van at another location. 

Scary!

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/44420-supuesto-caso-strano-di-secuestro-den-pleno-luz-di-dia-na-playa

Papiamentu translation:

supuesto caso odd of secuestro in pleno luz of day at beach

monday, 12 march 2012 20:01

monday nightfall algo happen of 3 or y mey of nightfall enter informacion cu one van color blanco owing to happen secuestra two child in beach y bay direccion east. the children owing to mantene contacto telefonico cu police y owing to stay comunica they posicion for cual owing to despacha police for follow behind the van.

police owing to busca the van in areanan of barcadera, mangel high, pos diminutive y savaneta but not owing to come across cu dicho van. owing to listra preventivamente several car cu was klop cu the descripcion but not owing to come across cu the children. some rato after the children owing to calling police bek y tell cu they're cu one aunt near of office of ex ontvanger at beach. police owing to cancela the buskeda at once. one caso assure very odd on one monday cu owing to bay particularmente trankil.

according informacion the two damitanan uno of 13 y another of 14 anja owing to go cumpra carni for her grandmother cu live in area of madiki. at dado instant the van blanco cual his number will is end cu 233 in the area of consales owing to push both in the van y bandona the lugar. they owing to core calling they parents via they celular. esnan in the van owing to feel cu they're in problem y at once owing to open the van bek y push both damita throw abroad near of ex ontvanger. police owing to take away both at recherche for take they declaracion. family was preocupa y owing to go keep of police for come across cu both young. after recherche also owing to go cu one of the damitanan bek at the area near of consales for so the splica more or less what owing to sosode. recherche wanted owing to achieve one view on the situation. esnan in the van was have bad intencion cu the menornan here but they intentonan owing to fracasa. have to remarca cu one of the hobennan envolvi some day happen was in news end hour family owing to beat alarma cu the was perdi. marduga past owing to arrive cas y owing to resulta cu the was cu one amigo at san nicolas y family was preocupa at beach.


Does this say that they are sure it is the girls' fault (and their parents)....they have been influenced by the US.....the men would never have done anything without an invitation...unless of course they are Colombian or some other immigrant.....or perhaps the whole story is made up....but just in case...the cell phone will be sent to the Netherlands for a six month triangulation test....???  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/104946-korte-ontvoering-verzonnen

Google translation:


Short fictional kidnapping

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 14, 2012 9:56

ORANGE CITY - The two girls (12 and 14) who on Monday called the police themselves stating that they were abducted, have invented this story. This has the head of the detective, Carlos Hodge, Amigoe request to let you know. For the two girls, the false report no effect. Because they are minors, has spoken with the parents and they should see what the girls need to help this problem, says Hodge. The girls called the police stating that ...

Read more ...

Of course it's a "subscriber" article. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2012, 05:43:00 PM
Could the reason that the Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" have not permanently silenced Joran van der Sloot after almost seven years ... after several false confessions ... is because Joran is not the only one who is is privy to the truth regarding the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30th ... the truth regarding those who participated in the coverup ... those who participated in the corrupt Natalee Holloway investigation ... those who are participants in Aruba's underground economies.  It only takes one to come forward to the FBI ... reveal the truth and ... seek asylum.  Also ... Joran van der Sloot has connections in high places in the Netherlands.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 14, 2012, 05:49:30 PM
Another girl missing since last Wednesday.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/104789-tiener-vermist-en-twee-kort-ontvoerd

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/03142012_Amigoe_Missing.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2012, 06:13:13 PM
Another girl missing since last Wednesday.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/104789-tiener-vermist-en-twee-kort-ontvoerd

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/03142012_Amigoe_Missing.png)

Her facebook

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1392362363 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1392362363)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 14, 2012, 07:03:09 PM
Wasn't the same "fear" of the same "house of cards" falling stated as being the reason that...

Joran would be set free before there was ever a trial in Peru,
would never be convicted of anything,
would never receive a substantial sentence
and so many other speculations by the same devil's advocate?

Just sayin'    ::MonkeyWink::

::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyBike::  ::justice2NJ::


Seems to me that it would much easier and wiser for "the powers that be" to eliminate him rather than "appease" him.

Me too, suicide...drive by shooting...car accident..."accidental" overdose...it could have been done in many ways that would have never been proven to be anything other than what the reports stated.

jmo


Besides, he has lied so much that nobody would believe a word he says anyway.
I don't think "the powers that be" are much concerned with anything Joran has
to say.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2012, 10:52:19 PM

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #841 6/22/10 -
« Reply #1553 on: June 26, 2010, 12:47:13 AM »


I just have a feeling something even bigger is going to happen.  I have a feeling that Joran is going to throw people under the bus and start naming names.  Joran is mad and he will turn his anger towards Aruba for not helping him.  Everyone get ready to run.

People like:

Van der Straaten
Rudy Croes
Nelson Oduber
Karin Jannsen
Rick Smid
Bob Witt
Ben King
Michael Posner
Julia Renfro

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8145.msg1170391#msg1170391


Looking back almost two years ... why did San's scenario ... which I was in agreement ... not play out?  Could it be that the appeasement of Joran van der Sloot is the reason the Aruban house of cards has yet to collapsed ... the Aruban house of cards that was built around the Natalee Holloway case.
.
According to Richard Flores' private investigation Joran received excessive privileges in the Peruvian lockup from DAY ONE.  For a murder that was beyond brutal ... the Peruvian  justice system sentenced Joran to 28 years rather than a life sentence.  Twenty-eight years translates into approximately 9 years.  The newly passed extradition treaty ... coincidence or not ... implies that in all probability Joran will spend at least part of that short sentence in the Netherlands.

Justice for Stephany Flores?  I don't think so.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2012, 11:01:03 PM
One week to go!  Tickets still available!

Beth Holloway
Thursday, March 22, 7 pm
Bristol Public Library | J. Henry Kegley Meeting Room


Tickets include: Private Meet & Greet at 6pm with Reserved seating to Presentation at 7pm and Hardcover copy of Loving Natalee $50.
General admission free, if available.

Beth Holloway is the mother of Natalee Holloway, who vanished on the last night of her senior class trip on May 30, 2005. To this day Beth continues to search for the truth of what happened. She grew up in Arkansas, then lived and worked in Tennessee, Mississippi, and finally Alabama where she now lives with her son, Matt. Holloway talks about hope, courage in sheer adversity, and travel safety.

http://www.bristol-library.org/discovery-series/ds-future-speakers

For more information regarding events and cost of attending contact Sarah Hutchinson, Marketing Director – Bristol Public Library Foundation at 276-821-6148 or marketing@bristol-library.org.



(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: wreck on March 15, 2012, 12:07:41 AM
One week to go!  Tickets still available!

Beth Holloway
Thursday, March 22, 7 pm
Bristol Public Library | J. Henry Kegley Meeting Room


Tickets include: Private Meet & Greet at 6pm with Reserved seating to Presentation at 7pm and Hardcover copy of Loving Natalee $50.
General admission free, if available.

Beth Holloway is the mother of Natalee Holloway, who vanished on the last night of her senior class trip on May 30, 2005. To this day Beth continues to search for the truth of what happened. She grew up in Arkansas, then lived and worked in Tennessee, Mississippi, and finally Alabama where she now lives with her son, Matt. Holloway talks about hope, courage in sheer adversity, and travel safety.

http://www.bristol-library.org/discovery-series/ds-future-speakers

For more information regarding events and cost of attending contact Sarah Hutchinson, Marketing Director – Bristol Public Library Foundation at 276-821-6148 or marketing@bristol-library.org.



(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)


I'm tired of asking the question -- but you never answer. Just who in PERU is afraid/beholden of/to anyone in Aruba or the Netherlands. It just does not make sense. Joran is not being treated any better than anyone else in Peru who might have a few dollars available to bribe guards in a dirt poor country. As for the sentence -- he got the most he was eligible for. Life sentences are just not given out there -- it is not like we know justice in North America.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 15, 2012, 12:38:06 AM

I'm tired of asking the question -- but you never answer. Just who in PERU is afraid/beholden of/to anyone in Aruba or the Netherlands. It just does not make sense. Joran is not being treated any better than anyone else in Peru who might have a few dollars available to bribe guards in a dirt poor country. As for the sentence -- he got the most he was eligible for. Life sentences are just not given out there -- it is not like we know justice in North America.

Wreck

You can disagree and ... that is OK.  However ... I contend the corrupt Peruvian Justice System was paid big time for the appeasement of Joran van der Sloot ... paid by who I can only speculate.  The outcome?  No justice for Stephany Flores.

Janet

+++++

PERUVIAN JUSTICE SYSTEM - LIFE SENTENCE

Peru to beef up Joran van der Sloot charges
Published on 17 September 2011 - 3:38pm


At the first public hearing, on 12 September 2011, Mr Van der Sloot was charged with murder and robbery. The Public Prosecutor called for a 30-year jail sentence and damages of 50,000 euros.

The lawyer for the victim’s family said the charges should not be “murder followed by robbery” but “robbery followed by murder”, which carries a life sentence. He also rejected the 50,000 euro compensation as insufficient.

The judge hearing the case has instructed the Public Prosecutor to reformulate the charges, which will delay the trial.

<snipped>

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/peru-beef-joran-van-der-sloot-charges


RICARDO FLORES - "EXCESSIVE" PRIVILEGES

Saturday, January 14, 2012
Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years

 
<snipped>

"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cell phone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

<snipped>

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017229687.html


Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST
 
<snipped>

After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,”  said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

“Mr. Flores wants peace for his family. The damage is done and it is beyond repair,” he continued.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;topic=12557.260;num_replies=274


PERUVIAN JUSTICE SYSTEM - CORRUPT

Judicial System
Individual Corruption


The Peruvian judicial system is tainted with corruption and official pressure, according to the US Department of State 2010. Similarly, Freedom House 2011 reports that corruption in the judiciary remains rampant. Also Transparency International's Global Corruption Barometer 2010 points out that the judiciary is among the most corrupt public institutions in Peru. According to the report, well over half of the surveyed households consider it as 'extremely corrupt', while more than a quarter reports having paid a bribe in 2009. Also, in the Proética Fifth National Survey on Corruption 2008, the surveyed citizens consider the judiciary to be among the most corrupt institutions in Peru.  User surveys also indicate that unofficial payments affect both the speed and the final outcome of judicial processes.

<snipped>

http://www.business-anti-corruption.com/country-profiles/latin-america-the-caribbean/peru/corruption-levels/judicial-system/

s.t. thx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: wreck on March 15, 2012, 12:47:45 AM

I'm tired of asking the question -- but you never answer. Just who in PERU is afraid/beholden of/to anyone in Aruba or the Netherlands. It just does not make sense. Joran is not being treated any better than anyone else in Peru who might have a few dollars available to bribe guards in a dirt poor country. As for the sentence -- he got the most he was eligible for. Life sentences are just not given out there -- it is not like we know justice in North America.

Wreck

You can disagree and ... that is OK.  However ... I contend the corrupt Peruvian Justice System was paid big time for the appeasement of Joran van der Sloot ... paid by who I can only speculate.  The outcome?  No justice for Stephany Flores.

Janet

+++++

PERUVIAN JUSTICE SYSTEM - LIFE SENTENCE

Peru to beef up Joran van der Sloot charges
Published on 17 September 2011 - 3:38pm


At the first public hearing, on 12 September 2011, Mr Van der Sloot was charged with murder and robbery. The Public Prosecutor called for a 30-year jail sentence and damages of 50,000 euros.

The lawyer for the victim’s family said the charges should not be “murder followed by robbery” but “robbery followed by murder”, which carries a life sentence. He also rejected the 50,000 euro compensation as insufficient.

The judge hearing the case has instructed the Public Prosecutor to reformulate the charges, which will delay the trial.

<snipped>

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/peru-beef-joran-van-der-sloot-charges


RICARDO FLORES - "EXCESSIVE" PRIVILEGES

Saturday, January 14, 2012
Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years

 
<snipped>

"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cell phone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

<snipped>

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017229687.html


Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST
 
<snipped>

After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,”  said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

“Mr. Flores wants peace for his family. The damage is done and it is beyond repair,” he continued.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;topic=12557.260;num_replies=274


PERUVIAN JUSTICE SYSTEM - CORRUPT

Judicial System
Individual Corruption


The Peruvian judicial system is tainted with corruption and official pressure, according to the US Department of State 2010. Similarly, Freedom House 2011 reports that corruption in the judiciary remains rampant. Also Transparency International's Global Corruption Barometer 2010 points out that the judiciary is among the most corrupt public institutions in Peru. According to the report, well over half of the surveyed households consider it as 'extremely corrupt', while more than a quarter reports having paid a bribe in 2009. Also, in the Proética Fifth National Survey on Corruption 2008, the surveyed citizens consider the judiciary to be among the most corrupt institutions in Peru.  User surveys also indicate that unofficial payments affect both the speed and the final outcome of judicial processes.

<snipped>

http://www.business-anti-corruption.com/country-profiles/latin-america-the-caribbean/peru/corruption-levels/judicial-system/

s.t. thx

Well, I do disagree and that is ok by me -- I don't think I'm alone. I just don't see any overt "corruption" in the Peruvian justice system -- only business as usual. I also think the Flores family has more money AND influence than any outsider from Aruba or Peru. Anyone with "power or influence" in Aruba would have been better served by rubbing out Joran entirely. Why risk keeping him alive and always available to open his mouth. Your theory is really hard to defend -IMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2012, 02:09:50 AM
wreck, you are not alone.  I totally agree with you...it can't be defended; unfortunately that as many other things in my opinion is just the intention of such.  What would one expect the result of never ending indefensible speculation to be?  If not totally ignored, never ending conflict; right?  And from there I think most of us at this point in time have seen enough to know what the ultimate goal of that might be.

The only reasonable defense, as hard as it can be...

I know you've heard the saying before...

D. F. t. T.


JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2012, 02:19:49 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 15, 2012, 10:45:54 AM
One week to go!  Tickets still available!

Beth Holloway
Thursday, March 22, 7 pm
Bristol Public Library | J. Henry Kegley Meeting Room


Tickets include: Private Meet & Greet at 6pm with Reserved seating to Presentation at 7pm and Hardcover copy of Loving Natalee $50.
General admission free, if available.

Beth Holloway is the mother of Natalee Holloway, who vanished on the last night of her senior class trip on May 30, 2005. To this day Beth continues to search for the truth of what happened. She grew up in Arkansas, then lived and worked in Tennessee, Mississippi, and finally Alabama where she now lives with her son, Matt. Holloway talks about hope, courage in sheer adversity, and travel safety.

http://www.bristol-library.org/discovery-series/ds-future-speakers

For more information regarding events and cost of attending contact Sarah Hutchinson, Marketing Director – Bristol Public Library Foundation at 276-821-6148 or marketing@bristol-library.org.



(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2012, 11:59:21 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/104950-militair-nog-vast-na-dodelijk-ongeluk

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/03142012_Amigoe_DutchMarinesKilled.png)

The same article in English, a few things a clearer in it.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/104959-marine-still-in-custody-after-fatal-accident-

‘Marine still in custody after fatal accident         

WEDNESDAY, 14 MARCH 2012 11:28

ORANJESTAD — Marine R.D (24) and driver of the car that was involved with a fatal accident near Mahuma on Friday evening, is still in custody in connection with the investigation. He is suspected of ‘reckless driving resulting in a fatal accident, while driving under the influence’.
 ::snipping2::
The Public Prosecutor (OM) confirmed before the Amigoe this morning that the marine is held in custody ‘as not to impede the investigation’ and to prevent him from going to The Netherlands, said OM-spokesperson Ann Angela. If it comes to a trial, the OM wants to try the marine on Aruba. “The accident happened on Aruba; it would be correct to try the suspect on the island”, said Angela. Moreover, Justice suspects the use of alcohol had played a part. A blood sample was taken from the driver for investigation purposes. Unconfirmed sources report that the marines had been to a party and had had a few drinks.
 ::snipping2::
The accident on Friday evening, whereby marine Casper Hendrikse (24) had died almost immediately and Frank Kerpel (19) who succumbed to his injures on Monday, had a big impact on the defense community on Aruba, defense spokesperson Vanesse Strijbosch said before the Amigoe. “This is quite a shock”, she said. “They were young lads.”
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2012, 12:00:11 PM
a few things "are" clearer in it, is what I meant to say...   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 15, 2012, 03:02:47 PM
Another girl missing since last Wednesday.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/104789-tiener-vermist-en-twee-kort-ontvoerd

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/03142012_Amigoe_Missing.png)

Back home, safe and sound.  Where she was for a week has not been divulged.

http://www.diario.aw/2012/03/mucha-muher-di-16-ana-a-regresa-cas-bek/

Papiamentu translation:

child muher of 16 year owing to return cas bek

publication: thursday, 15 march 2012.

categoria: general

oranjestad (aan): informe cu daily paper owing to ricibi of police, is indica cu till tuesday nightfall, the child muher joisy g, owing to return cas sano y salvo. police owing to bay at the cas, y here agentenan owing to talk cu grandmother of joisy y past owing to declara his granddaughter one rato first owing to return cas. police owing to take away joisy direction for keep of police for interogacion, at keep also comandante owing to atende. after police owing to take away joisy cas, police owing to talk also cu father y his next day elo take contacto cu the despacho of jeugd- provided that zeden politie. as can corda, was diaranzon week happen for 10’or of morning cu past owing to bay for of his cas at apachestraat. where the was all the dianan ey, not owing to worde divulga, but police have atencion for this.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 15, 2012, 10:09:33 PM
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1387824/noticia-mil-internos-contrajeron-tuberculosis-penales-peru-2011

Google translation

Thousand inmates contracted tuberculosis in prisons of Peru in 2011

 ::snipping2::
Thursday March 15, 2012 - 05:28 pm 3 Comments

Thousand inmates of prisons nationwide contracted tuberculosis in 2011, according to the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) based on the information recorded.

Of these cases, 442 occurred in Lurigancho, where just today that institution and the Ministry of Health conducted a campaign in favor of the prison population.

In the campaign, 400 people received information, drugs and medical services. In addition, blood samples were taken from inmates as a preventive measure.

In the aforementioned prison there is a special program to fight TB and HIV-AIDS, highlighted by the way the Deputy Director of Prison Health, Jose Best Romero.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2012, 02:48:00 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/105044-hoofdredacteur-en-uitgever-bon-dia-bereid-tot-schikking

Google translation:

Bon Dia editor and publisher willing to settle         

THURSDAY, MARCH 15, 2012 9:21

(http://www.amigoe.com/images/stories/thumbnails/images-stories-2012-03-15-994508-350x262.jpg)
Journalist Harold Faro at the door of the Court Wayaca, after considering the request for termination of his contract by Caribbean Printing Speed.

ORANGE CITY - Chief Editor of the newspaper Bon Dia Aruba, Harold Faro, publisher and Caribbean Speed ​​Printing (CSP) given by the court two weeks to arrange. CSP will dismiss the editor after more than twenty years of service. Faro itself will remain at the newspaper. He must leave, he wants a severance payment of 180,000 florins.

by our reporter

Ariën Rasmijn

The judge suggested that both parties agree with each other to board, and thus they agreed. Will the editor and publisher, not before 28 March to reach an agreement, it still follows verdict. Bon Dia Aruba Faro wants to continue working, the work which he claims to be fused. He is editor in chief since February last year until he officially on 14 February with mandatory vacation and was sent a letter from the board in which it was pointed out to him like fire. Now all the cards on the table, said the lawyer for the publisher yesterday also more opportunities to see and ask for a settlement with Faro to take.

CSP makes the argument that Faro several written warnings about his behavior and instructions of the board has ignored. He would also have had a hostile attitude to the August newly appointed operations manager, Samantha Nicholas. This would work within the newspaper effective by including the productivity of the editors to investigate.

New manager

The publisher gets to that Faro has previously indicated his editorship to want to step back in order to write. When Nicholas is later reported to CSP for a job, she was told that the position of editor was open. Nicholas gave this to want a job, but was eventually appointed as operations manager. "Faro itself had indicated earlier this function no longer want and Nicholas gave their willingness to continue to grow within the company," said director John Chemaly of CSP during the trial. But the Faro found Chemaly argument that the position of editor was open, 'disrespectful'. He was also not involved in the appointment of Nicholas or to any discussion of its tasks to the editors. "I did not know what they are going to discuss with the editors. We were all informed in an e-mail addresses of three lines and thus it was ready, "said Faro against the judge.

Harassment

Both parties acknowledge that after Chemaly Faro on 29 August aggrieved confronted with the application of Nicholas, the relationship deteriorated. "We have really tried to make it work, but he refused," said Chemaly. Parties saluted or spoke to each other for months not. Faro says that the publisher has started a campaign of harassment against him. Chemaly would increasingly have interfered with editorial matters and Nicholas, the function of Faro with the approval of Chemaly have directly undermined.

Texts on the front page

Faro was after the collision of August written warnings, after multiple oral warnings were given, says the lawyer for the publisher. Faro denies that he verbally warned. The written warnings included for eating at his desk, but also for repeatedly ignoring the order of the board to all opening articles on the front to continue on the next page. Nor were there any new items that Chemaly was asked to place. For conflict management is not interfered with the editorial, said the lawyer of Faro. Faro had through his lawyer that the length of an item and placing a strict editorial matter should be. "It depends on the new subject or the article may or may not be longer," added Faro to it there himself during the trial. His lawyer showed the edition of Bon Dia on Wednesday at the court, where both front-page articles - one written by the board - on the frontpage extensions. "The Management reserves apparently do not follow the rules," said the lawyer.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2012, 03:30:27 PM
Harold Faro's lawyer is Anthony Carlo

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/03152012_AweMaintaFP.png)



http://www.diario.aw/2012/03/harold-faro-kier-sigui-traha-cu-bon-dia-pero-si-nan-persisti-pa-kite-e-ta-exigi-180-000-florin-pa-e-20-ananan-di-dedicacion-na-e-compania/

According to this article in Diario, Rick Samuels is representing Caribbean Speed Printers N. V.

(Not sure if he's in this picture or not, Chemaly is second from right...I'm thinking that could be Samuels next to him, jmo  I don't recall ever seeing him, so I don't know what he looks like.)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/03152012_Diario_HaroldFaroVSbondia.png)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2012, 03:53:25 PM
http://www.curacaolegalportal.com/Details/Law-Firms/Tundruk-Consulting-N.V.html

Tundruk Consulting N.V.
Calabas 9-A Aruba
Phone: (00297) 583 1093

http://www.arubachamber.com/templates/kvk/view_extract.php?k=7740
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 20 DECEMBER 1988 under serial number 7778.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
TUNDRUK N.V.

 
Business address   CALABAS 9-A, NOORD
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   TUNDRUK N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   06 DECEMBER 1988
Last amendment in the articles   08 DECEMBER 2009
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

TUNDRUK HOLDING N.V.;
Business address   CALABAS 9-A, NOORD, ARUBA
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   13 DECEMBER 2005
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
A. TO ACT AS AN INTERMEDIARY FOR THE INCORPORATION OF LEGAL ENTITIES, ARUBA EXEMPT CORPORATIONS AND OTHER CORPORATIONS, AS WELL AS IN THE AMENDMENT OF THE ARTICLES THEROF;
B. TO EXERCISE ADMINISTRATIVE AND SUPERVISORY DUTIES IN LEGAL ENTITIES, ARUBA EXEMPT CORPORATIONS AND OTHER ENTITIES AND CORPORATIONS AS WELL AS TO CONDUCT ADMINISTRATION THEREOF;
C. TO ACT AS A REGISTERED AGENT OF ARUBA EXEMPT CORPORATIONS;
D. TO PROVIDE ADVICES AND ASSISTANCE IN THE FIELD OF BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT;
E. TO LOOK AFTER THE FINANCIAL INTERESTS OF THIRD PARTIES IN AND OUTSIDE OF ARUBA;
F. TO BE ACTIVE AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE AND IN RELATION THERETO TO ISSUE CERTIFICATES ON SHARES DEPOSITED WITH IT;
G. TO ACT AS TRUSTEE FOR LOANS OF THE RIGHTS AND INTERESTS OF CREDITORS AND AS SUCH, TO REGISTER COLLATERAL SECURITIES IN BEHALF OF ITS CREDITORS AND TO TAKE POSSESSION AS SECURITY;
H.   TO ACT A ADMINISTRATOR, EXECUTOR, RECEIVER, ADMINISTRATOR, LIQUIDATOR OR TRUSTEE;
I. TO GIVE ADVICE IN LEGAL, ECONOMICAL AND FISCAL FIELD.


http://www.arubachamber.com/templates/kvk/view_extract.php?k=33726

Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 22 NOVEMBER 2004 under serial number 32710.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
TUNDRUK HOLDING

 
Business address   CALABAS 9-A, NOORD
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   TUNDRUK HOLDING N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   19 NOVEMBER 2004
Last amendment in the articles   08 DECEMBER 2009
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:


SAMUELS, RICK COS;
Born in   ARUBA, ARUBA on 30 MAY 1970
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   19 NOVEMBER 2004
Authority   FULL
 
ELLIS-SCHIPPER, MIRIAM ARLENE;
Born in   NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 07 JANUARY 1973
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   14 MARCH 2005
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
1.   TO GIVE IN GENERAL LEGAL, FISCAL, JURIDICAL AND FINANCIAL-ADMINISTRATIVE ADVICES;
2. TO GIVE ADVICE CONCERNING ADMINISTRATIVE, MANAGEMENT, RECRUITMENT POLICY AND PERSONNEL ORGANIZATION. 3.   TO EXERCISE MANAGERIAL, AND SUPERVISORY DUTIES IN CORPORATIONS;
4.   TO ACT AS PROXY OR TRUSTEE;
5. TO ACT AS COLLECTION AGENCY;
6.   TO TRANSFER ON HER NAME PERSONAL AND REAL PROPERTY ON BEHALF OF THIRD PARTIES AND THE MANAGEMENT AND ADMINISTRATION THEREOF;
7. TO ADVICE AND MEDIATE IN THE ESTABLISHMENT AND SELLING OF COMPANIES OR PARTS OF COMPANIES;
8. WHETHER FOR OR IN THE NAME OF THIRD PARTIES, BUY AND SELL, RENT AND LEASE REAL PROPERTIES , AS WELL AS TO MEDIATE THERETO;
9. TO GIVE SECURITY BONDS AND OTHER GUARANTEES, ALL THIS AS SECURITY FOR THE PAYMENT OF THE DEBTS OF THE CORPORATION AND THE DEBTS OF THIRD PARTIES;
10. TO INVEST ITS ASSETS IN SECURITIES;
11.   TO INVEST ITS ASSETS, EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, IN REAL PROPERTY;
12. THE FULL OR PARTIAL ACCUMULATION OF PENSION PROVISION IN BEHALF OF EMPLOYEES OR FORMER EMPLOYEES OF THE COMPANY AND/OR THEIR SURVIVING RELATIONS.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2012, 04:16:58 PM
45 Law Firms on Aruba, from this 2011 list.  Wow.

http://www.gemhofvanjustitie.org/uploads/files/Advocatenlijst_Aruba%202011.pdf



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2012, 04:49:49 PM
45 Law Firms on Aruba, from this 2011 list.  Wow.

http://www.gemhofvanjustitie.org/uploads/files/Advocatenlijst_Aruba%202011.pdf



Aruba = 75 sq miles = 1.66 Law Firms for every square mile   ::MonkeyDevil::

That's a lot of lawyers for such a "safe" island ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 16, 2012, 07:17:45 PM
wreck, you are not alone.  I totally agree with you...it can't be defended; unfortunately that as many other things in my opinion is just the intention of such.  What would one expect the result of never ending indefensible speculation to be?  If not totally ignored, never ending conflict; right?  And from there I think most of us at this point in time have seen enough to know what the ultimate goal of that might be.

The only reasonable defense, as hard as it can be...

I know you've heard the saying before...

D. F. t. T.


JMHO

ITA

If Joran has friends in "high" places, they must be stoned out of their heads, b/c why are they letting him languish in a Peruvian jail?  With "friends" like that, who needs enemies!?  Besides that, Joran having friends is an oxymoron.

IMO, Joran got away with it in Aruba only b/c of Daddy and b/c of Aruba's decision to put tourism before honor.

Joran - almost nobody wants him- not Aruba, not the NL, not Thailand, not even his Mommy wants the delicious sporter anymore.  The only reason the US wants him, is to stand trial and to to obtain a measure of justice and maybe some answers for Natalee's loved ones.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2012, 07:50:15 PM

THE PERISTENCE BETRAYAL

I suspect that CapsLockWizard's January 18, 2008 arrival on the SM Natalee Holloway forum was meant to distract attention away from the Persistent find onto the pond search.  Then when  Kyle Kingman/Ocean Exploration began posting details encompassing the Persistence find ... details that revealed the contents of the trap had been retrieved unchallenged by the Aruban enemy ... the Aruban enemy who had prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005 ... the four headed CapsLockWizard went into damage control distractions with theories that went beyond the pond.

Janet

+++++


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »


<snipped>

We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.  The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857;topicseen#msg366857

s.t.


The games people play!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2012, 08:09:08 PM
THE APPEASEMENT OF JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

Could it be that the almost two year appeasement of Joran van der Sloot by the Aruban/Dutch "powers that be"  through negotiations with higher ups within a corrupt Peruvian justice system is the reason the Aruban house of cards has yet to collapsed ... the Aruban house of cards that was built around the Natalee Holloway case ... the Aruban house of cards that Joran was not only a player within but also holds the ACE in the deck of cards.  The implication?  Joran's knowledge of all the players who have prevented justice from prevailing for almost seven years has the potential of bring down that Aruban house of cards.

The appeasement of Joran van der Sloot?  Think about it.  According to Richard Flores ... a private investigation revealed that Joran received "excessive" privileges in the Peruvian lockup from DAY ONE.  For a murder that was beyond brutal ... the Peruvian justice system ruled against the Flores' attorney and rather than a life sentence ... sentenced  Joran to 28 years.  In Peru twenty-eight years with reduction credits translates into approximately 9 years.  The timing of the recently passed Extradition Treaty between Peru and the Netherlands ... coincidence or not ... implies that in all probability Joran will spend at least part of that short sentence in the Netherlands.

Justice for Stephany?  I don't think so.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2012, 08:11:22 PM
1.  Peruvian Justice System - Unofficial Payments

Judicial System
Individual Corruption


The Peruvian judicial system is tainted with corruption and official pressure, according to the US Department of State 2010. Similarly, Freedom House 2011 reports that corruption in the judiciary remains rampant. Also Transparency International's Global Corruption Barometer 2010 points out that the judiciary is among the most corrupt public institutions in Peru. According to the report, well over half of the surveyed households consider it as 'extremely corrupt', while more than a quarter reports having paid a bribe in 2009. Also, in the Proética Fifth National Survey on Corruption 2008, the surveyed citizens consider the judiciary to be among the most corrupt institutions in Peru.  User surveys also indicate that unofficial payments affect both the speed and the final outcome of judicial processes.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2012, 08:16:07 PM
2.  Ricardo Flores - Joran's "Ecessive" Privileges

Flores, Holloway families await van der Sloot's trial
1/13/2012


Stephany Flores’ family is still holding out hope they can convince the court to increase the charges to include a possible life sentence. Stephany’s father, Ricardo Flores, claims Van der Sloot has lived “like a king” while the Flores family mourns.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Flores-Holloway-families-await-van-der-Sloots/KxiEyoDHDEypHoVG4yN6Sw.cspx


Saturday, January 14, 2012
Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years

 
"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cell phone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017229687.html
 
 
Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST

 
After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,”  said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

“Mr. Flores wants peace for his family. The damage is done and it is beyond repair,” he continued.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/13/van-der-sloot-gets-28-years-for-murder-in-peru.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2012, 08:18:47 PM
3.  The Confession - A Murder Beyond Brutal
 
Confession: Joran van der Sloot describes killing Stephany Flores
Published: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 2:51 PM
Updated: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 4:11 PM


Asked for a detailed description of the killing:

"She was on the bed when I hit her hard with my right elbow and I think her head went back and hit the wall, then she begins to bleed, immediately I get on top of her and with both hands I begin to strangle her, keeping her that way for a minute. After that, I throw her to the floor but she keeps breathing. At that moment I take off my shirt and put it on her face, pressing on it. I don't remember for how long but she stops breathing, in this way I think I caused her death."
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/confession_joran_van_der_sloot.html

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/06/joran-van-der-sloots-confession-read-entire-document-here



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2012, 08:26:51 PM
4.  No Life Sentence - Joran's Attorney: "A Big Win"

Woman's family wants speedy trial for van der Sloot
August 17, 2011


The family of a slain Peruvian woman is urging prosecutors to file their case against murder suspect Joran van der Sloot, warning that he may be released by December unless the case goes ahead.

"We are worried because Peruvian law says that if a suspect's trial doesn't begin within 18 months after his arrest, authorities are obligated to set the suspect free," Ricardo Flores, the dead woman's father, told CNN.

Investigators delivered their case file to prosecutors in June for a decision on charges. Ricardo Flores said the prosecutor in the case, Miriam Riveros Castellares, is "not moving with the speed that a case of this magnitude merits."

"We're asking that either the prosecutor file charges or that authorities remove her from this case and name somebody else," he said.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-17/justice/peru.van.der.sloot_1_stephany-flores-sloot-lima-hotel-room?_s=PM:CRIME

 
Peru to beef up Joran van der Sloot charges
Published on 17 September 2011 - 3:38pm


At the first public hearing, on 12 September 2011, Mr Van der Sloot was charged with murder and robbery. The Public Prosecutor called for a 30-year jail sentence and damages of 50,000 euros.

The lawyer for the victim’s family said the charges should not be “murder followed by robbery” but “robbery followed by murder”, which carries a life sentence. He also rejected the 50,000 euro compensation as insufficient.

The judge hearing the case has instructed the Public Prosecutor to reformulate the charges, which will delay the trial.

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/peru-beef-joran-van-der-sloot-charges
 
 
Hearing for Van der Sloot held in Peru
12:01 PM, Sep 12, 2011


Alvarez said there were also some discrepancies with the evidence presented in the case and the official charges of voluntary manslaughter.

"We have said there are inconsistencies in the prosecution's account and its accusations, between the evidence it uses and what it is asking for.  These inconsistencies could bring about negative consequences at trial because it could result in a mistrial," Alvarez said.

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/article/172815/288/Hearing-for-Van-der-Sloot-held-in-Peru

 
Date set for van der Sloot murder trial
Published: 11/25/2011 9:44 am
Updated: 11/26/2011 8:25 am


In September, the victim's family asked a three-judge panel for a more stringent charge akin to aggravated murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison, but the panel of judges ruled on the prosecution's side.

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro told CNN'S In Session this was a big win for his client.  If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Date-set-for-van-der-Sloot-murder-trial/J1Yl6nagmkmRXf0qcfRMXA.cspx
 
 
Flores, Holloway families await van der Sloot's trial
1/13/2012


Stephany Flores’ family is still holding out hope they can convince the court to increase the charges to include a possible life sentence. Stephany’s father, Ricardo Flores, claims Van der Sloot has lived “like a king” while the Flores family mourns.

Prosecutor Miriam Castellares is asking for 30 years in prison, on charges of murder and simple theft; however, Flores’ family is asking the public prosecutor to amend the charges to “robbery followed by murder.”

According to Edwar Alvarez, the Flores family’s lawyer, with different charges Van der Sloot could receive life imprisonment.

"We aim to present evidence during the trial that will lead the prosecutor to change the classification of the crime, so that it becomes robbery followed by murder. This will not be 30 years in prison, but life imprisonment,” he told the Lima newspaper El Comercio.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Flores-Holloway-families-await-van-der-Sloots/KxiEyoDHDEypHoVG4yN6Sw.cspx


Joran van der Sloot sentenced to 28 years for murder of Peruvian woman
Published January 13, 2012


Joran van der Sloot has been sentenced to 28 years in prison after pleading guilty to the 2010 murder of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman he had met at a casino in Lima.

Van der Sloot was also ordered to pay $75,000 in reparations by a three-judge panel in Lima for the "cruel" and "ferocious" murder that took place exactly five years to the day after the disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba. He showed no emotion as the court clerk read the sentence, describing how he elbowed Flores in the face then beat and strangled her with his bloodied shirt

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/13/joran-van-der-sloot-to-be-sentenced-for-murder-peruvian-woman/?test=latestnews


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2012, 08:29:47 PM
5.  Experts - 30 Year Sentence = 10 Years

Experts say Van der Sloot may only serve 10 years for Peru murder
November 23, 2011


Lima, Peru (Reuters) - Peruvian prosecutors will seek a 30-year-sentence in the murder trial of Dutch citizen Joran Van der Sloot instead of life in prison, the judiciary said on Tuesday (November 22).

Mario Amoretti, a Peruvian lawyer specializing in criminal law, said the public had expected prosecutors would try for a stiffer sentence against Van der Sloot but had to scale back their plans because of sentencing guidelines for murders in which robbery could be the primary motive.

If convicted in Peru, Amoretti says the Dutch citizen would be eligible for parole after having served 10 years and could finish out part of his sentence in his native country.
 
"Imagine that they sentence him to 30 years. According to the penitentiary legislation he could get out with penitentiary benefits in 10 years -- which is a third of his sentence -- for good behavior, sentence reduction for working, for a psychological evaluation that recommends he be processed and set free. And according to our penitentiary legislation there is the possibility that he could be transferred to the Netherlands to finish out his sentence -- even though there is no treaty like there is with Italy and the United States -- the transfer and shipping of prisoners to their home countries is, in this case, in order that there be a sense of reciprocity. Peru will send Van der Sloot to Holland so that if there is a Peruvian sentenced in Holland they might be sent to finish their sentence in Peru," Amoretti added.

http://www.ntn24.com/news/videos/experts-say-van-der-sloot-may-only-serve-10-years-peru-murder-7766



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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2012, 08:31:57 PM
6.  A Transfer to the Netherlands?
 
Peru, Netherlands Agree Extradition Treaty


THE HAGUE, 14/05/11 - The Netherlands and Peru have agreed an extradition treaty. As a result, Joran van der Sloot may be able to serve his sentence in his own country.

Foreign Minister Uri Rosenthal and his Peruvian opposite number Jose Antonio Garcia Belaunde signed a treaty on the transfer of sentenced persons and the enforcement of criminal judgments on Thursday. "The treaty allows residents of the Kingdom of the Netherlands who have been sentenced to prison by final and irrevocable judgment in Peru" to serve their sentence in the Netherlands, said Rosenthal.

Peruvians who are in prison in the Netherlands are also entitled to invoke the treaty. Both countries are under obligation to grant a detainee's request. The treaty will enter into force as soon as both parliaments have approved it.

The two ministers discussed, among other things, human rights, cooperation in efforts to stop drug trafficking, promotion of mutual investment and knowledge exchange in the areas of water management and cooperation in judicial and defence matters.

The foreign ministry says there are currently 117 Dutch nationals in Peruvian prisons. In 113 cases, they have been convicted of a drugs offence. The most well-known Dutch prisoner is Joran van der Sloot, in jail for the murder of a Peruvian girl.

Van der Sloot's case is not yet concluded. Depending on the sentence his client receives, his lawyer Maximo Altez does plan to make use of the new regulation.

http://www.nisnews.nl/public/140511_4.htm

s.t.




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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 16, 2012, 08:35:28 PM

Beth Holloway
Thursday, March 22, 7 pm
Bristol Public Library | J. Henry Kegley Meeting Room


Tickets include: Private Meet & Greet at 6pm with Reserved seating to Presentation at 7pm and Hardcover copy of Loving Natalee $50.
General admission free, if available.

Beth Holloway is the mother of Natalee Holloway, who vanished on the last night of her senior class trip on May 30, 2005. To this day Beth continues to search for the truth of what happened. She grew up in Arkansas, then lived and worked in Tennessee, Mississippi, and finally Alabama where she now lives with her son, Matt. Holloway talks about hope, courage in sheer adversity, and travel safety.

http://www.bristol-library.org/discovery-series/ds-future-speakers

For more information regarding events and cost of attending contact Sarah Hutchinson, Marketing Director – Bristol Public Library Foundation at 276-821-6148 or marketing@bristol-library.org.



(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)



Six days to go!  Tickets still available!


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Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2012, 08:37:20 PM
45 Law Firms on Aruba, from this 2011 list.  Wow.

http://www.gemhofvanjustitie.org/uploads/files/Advocatenlijst_Aruba%202011.pdf



Aruba = 75 sq miles = 1.66 Law Firms for every square mile   ::MonkeyDevil::

That's a lot of lawyers for such a "safe" island ::MonkeyDevil::

Yep, and "happy" too!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 16, 2012, 08:50:40 PM
wreck, you are not alone.  I totally agree with you...it can't be defended; unfortunately that as many other things in my opinion is just the intention of such.  What would one expect the result of never ending indefensible speculation to be?  If not totally ignored, never ending conflict; right?  And from there I think most of us at this point in time have seen enough to know what the ultimate goal of that might be.

The only reasonable defense, as hard as it can be...

I know you've heard the saying before...

D. F. t. T.


JMHO

ITA

If Joran has friends in "high" places, they must be stoned out of their heads, b/c why are they letting him languish in a Peruvian jail?  With "friends" like that, who needs enemies!?  Besides that, Joran having friends is an oxymoron.

IMO, Joran got away with it in Aruba only b/c of Daddy and b/c of Aruba's decision to put tourism before honor.

Joran - almost nobody wants him- not Aruba, not the NL, not Thailand, not even his Mommy wants the delicious sporter anymore.  The only reason the US wants him, is to stand trial and to to obtain a measure of justice and maybe some answers for Natalee's loved ones.

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2012, 09:57:51 PM
45 Law Firms on Aruba, from this 2011 list.  Wow.

http://www.gemhofvanjustitie.org/uploads/files/Advocatenlijst_Aruba%202011.pdf



Aruba = 75 sq miles = 1.66 Law Firms for every square mile   ::MonkeyDevil::

That's a lot of lawyers for such a "safe" island ::MonkeyDevil::

Yep, and "happy" too!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I had that backwards.  It's actually ONE law firm for every 1.66 miles  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 16, 2012, 10:34:05 PM
45 Law Firms on Aruba, from this 2011 list.  Wow.

http://www.gemhofvanjustitie.org/uploads/files/Advocatenlijst_Aruba%202011.pdf



Aruba = 75 sq miles = 1.66 Law Firms for every square mile   ::MonkeyDevil::

That's a lot of lawyers for such a "safe" island ::MonkeyDevil::

Yep, and "happy" too!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I had that backwards.  It's actually ONE law firm for every 1.66 miles  ::MonkeyDevil::

Either way, that's still a lot of legal law firms per mile.   ::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: wreck on March 17, 2012, 02:11:55 AM
45 Law Firms on Aruba, from this 2011 list.  Wow.

http://www.gemhofvanjustitie.org/uploads/files/Advocatenlijst_Aruba%202011.pdf



Aruba = 75 sq miles = 1.66 Law Firms for every square mile   ::MonkeyDevil::

That's a lot of lawyers for such a "safe" island ::MonkeyDevil::

Yep, and "happy" too!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I had that backwards.  It's actually ONE law firm for every 1.66 miles  ::MonkeyDevil::

Either way, that's still a lot of legal law firms per mile.   ::piggy::

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 17, 2012, 03:36:55 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 18, 2012, 12:08:49 PM
Psalm 28:
The LORD is my strength and my shield; in him my heart trusts, and I am helped
.

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Pages 100
: He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years.  Now I must trust Him to care for her.  So I never ask Him why.  Why Natalee?  Why me?  I don't ask.  To do that undermines faith.  Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside.

Page 103: I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit.  Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible.  Mom is right; God is good.  All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over.  Not the work that has to be done.  Just the burden.  I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 18, 2012, 08:27:07 PM
I don't think Deepak was in any of the pictures I've seen in either article and may not have been involved in this at all, but from the last I recall (VISA application) he works for Top Drive Car Rentals.

From my understanding of the articles some guys from one car rental agency (agency not named, one guy from Suriname was arrested in the pictures below) went over to this other car agency and broke windows out of the office door and a van, and attacked one of the people that either owns it or works there when he arrived on the scene. (Not sure if that's his van or not)

http://www.awe24.com/20120317/10184/3_trahador_di_un_carrental_a_bay_haci_destruccion_y_a_maltrata_un_di_e_dononan

Papiamentu translation:

3 trahador of one carrental owing to bay haci destruccion y owing to maltrata one of the doñonan of one another carrental

20 hora happen come across, 17 of march 2012 23:45

saturday night owing to enter informe of one caso of maltrato at one centro commercial at wayaca, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of police owing to come compronde cu here is deal of 4 trahador of one another carrental owing to bay at the carrental eynan y comete destruccion y at arrival of one of the another doñonan they owing to maltrate also besides owing to comete destruccion at the edificio. police at once owing to detene one surinameo cu also owing to comete destruccion while at arrival of ambulance they owing to atende the victima aruban y owing to transporte for hospital. police y recherche have the caso bao investigacion. already cu here is deal of one caso earnest of destruccion y maltrato pisa already cu the victima is interna in hospital cu 2 ribchi break.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/44667-trahadornan-di-smart-rent-a-car-a-agredi-nan-dono-di-trabao-y-causa-dano

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.maart.17.smart_rentacar.DSC_1768.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.maart.17.smart_rentacar.DSC_1769.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.maart.17.smart_rentacar.DSC_1743.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.maart.17.smart_rentacar.DSC_1747.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.maart.17.smart_rentacar.DSC_1766.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 18, 2012, 08:29:54 PM
This is where Deepak was working according to his VISA application:

https://www.arubatopdrive.com/about-us/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 18, 2012, 08:41:42 PM
http://www.arubachamber.com/templates/kvk/view_extract.php?k=19048

Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 11 AUGUST 1995 under serial number 19087.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
TOP DRIVE

 
Business address   ALTO VISTA 129, NOORD
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   SHAMAS CARRENTAL NV
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   08 AUGUST 1995
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
BAIDJNATH-MISIER, PREMCHANDERPERSAD;
Born in   SURINAME, DISTRICT NICKERIE on 08 MAY 1958
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   26 AUGUST 2006
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
TO OPERATE A CAR RENTAL.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 18, 2012, 11:27:21 PM
I saw that article earlier today and thought it was Satish at first, LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 18, 2012, 11:28:26 PM
Any relation to Kawish?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 18, 2012, 11:49:56 PM
He used to run American Car Rental - or still does:

http://www.kvk.aw/registers

AMERICAN CAR RENTAL
 
Business address    KAMERLINGH ONNESSTRAAT 72, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form    LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company    KALI'S CARRENTAL NV
Statutory seat    ARUBA
Date of incorporation    21 FEBRUARY 1994
     
Authorized capital    ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital    ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital    ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year    01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
BAIDJNATH MISIER, KRIESNADET;
   
Born in   SURINAME, SURINAME on 05 NOVEMBER 1952
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   PROXY
Effective   15 OCTOBER 2000
Authority   FULL
 
BAIDJNATH MISIER, AKASH;
   
Born in   THE NETHERLANDS, 'S-GRAVENHAGE on 13 JULY 1977
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   14 JULY 2010
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 19, 2012, 12:33:44 AM
I saw that article earlier today and thought it was Satish at first, LOL

Me, too--especially the first photo.  lol


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 19, 2012, 12:37:07 AM
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/kawish-misier/34/421/b15

Quote

Kawish Misier's Experience

Founder Eco Power Cleaning
September 2010 – Present (1 year 7 months)

From delivery-boy to shareholder and everything in between.

Consultant The Strategic Thinker
September 2009 – Present (2 years 7 months)

The only company giving free marketing consultancy to small enterprises.

Manager Top Drive Car Rental Bonaire
August 2008 – August 2009 (1 year 1 month)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 19, 2012, 01:56:50 AM
Kawish Misier in the photo?  Akash is the son of the owner of American Car Rental.  Kawish might be related to them?

https://picasaweb.google.com/abmisier/WeddingAkashLeidyMisier#5681795312556588466

Wedding Akash & Leidy Misier>Photo 214 of 266


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 19, 2012, 02:20:11 AM
I saw that article earlier today and thought it was Satish at first, LOL

Me too!   ::MonkeyEek::

Dang it, thought we had something until I got a closer look.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 19, 2012, 09:20:19 AM
Kawish Misier in the photo?  Akash is the son of the owner of American Car Rental.  Kawish might be related to them?

https://picasaweb.google.com/abmisier/WeddingAkashLeidyMisier#5681795312556588466

Wedding Akash & Leidy Misier>Photo 214 of 266


Yeah, that's Kawish.  I swear, everyone in Aruba is related ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 19, 2012, 09:21:33 AM
Kermit - where are you?   ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 19, 2012, 06:11:56 PM
This is where Deepak was working according to his VISA application:

https://www.arubatopdrive.com/about-us/

Whatever happened to the Cyberzone Internet Cafe?  I thought Deepak's stepdaddy bought it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 19, 2012, 08:31:20 PM
Jamcakes, pretty sure it changed hands again and changed it's name.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Kermit on March 19, 2012, 09:22:01 PM
ribbit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 19, 2012, 09:48:20 PM
ribbit

There's Kermit!  Hi stranger!

 ::FlyingFrog::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 20, 2012, 02:26:47 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 20, 2012, 12:32:27 PM
http://www.watvindtnederlandervan.nl/index.php?fPID=Nieuws&fID=2409&fCat=&fSite=Nederland

20/03/2012
Reintroduce capital punishment in the Netherlands

Netherlands, in 1870 the death penalty removed from the normal criminal law. It was not until the constitution of 1983 before imposing the death penalty was actually prohibited by law.

In 1945 the death penalty was reintroduced for the punishment of war criminals.

The last execution was conducted in the Netherlands on 21 March 1952. That day there were two war criminals facing the firing squad: the German Artur Albrecht Wilhelm and Dutchman Pieter Andries. They were the last of the 39 after the Second World War by the state are executed.

In recent years, more and more Dutch people who want to reintroduce the death penalty. A recent poll by Gallup shows that even
a majority in the Netherlands (72 percent) believe that the main suspect in the great Amsterdam sex case, the 27-year-old Robert M., a life sentence should be.  But for criminals such as Joran Dutch want the death penalty.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 20, 2012, 12:58:51 PM
http://www.watvindtnederlandervan.nl/index.php?fPID=Nieuws&fID=2409&fCat=&fSite=Nederland

20/03/2012
Reintroduce capital punishment in the Netherlands

Netherlands, in 1870 the death penalty removed from the normal criminal law. It was not until the constitution of 1983 before imposing the death penalty was actually prohibited by law.

In 1945 the death penalty was reintroduced for the punishment of war criminals.

The last execution was conducted in the Netherlands on 21 March 1952. That day there were two war criminals facing the firing squad: the German Artur Albrecht Wilhelm and Dutchman Pieter Andries. They were the last of the 39 after the Second World War by the state are executed.

In recent years, more and more Dutch people who want to reintroduce the death penalty. A recent poll by Gallup shows that even
a majority in the Netherlands (72 percent) believe that the main suspect in the great Amsterdam sex case, the 27-year-old Robert M., a life sentence should be.  But for criminals such as Joran Dutch want the death penalty.

 ::snipping2::


Joran inspires a lot of people, I see!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 20, 2012, 01:32:19 PM
http://www.watvindtnederlandervan.nl/index.php?fPID=Nieuws&fID=2409&fCat=&fSite=Nederland

20/03/2012
Reintroduce capital punishment in the Netherlands

Netherlands, in 1870 the death penalty removed from the normal criminal law. It was not until the constitution of 1983 before imposing the death penalty was actually prohibited by law.

In 1945 the death penalty was reintroduced for the punishment of war criminals.

The last execution was conducted in the Netherlands on 21 March 1952. That day there were two war criminals facing the firing squad: the German Artur Albrecht Wilhelm and Dutchman Pieter Andries. They were the last of the 39 after the Second World War by the state are executed.

In recent years, more and more Dutch people who want to reintroduce the death penalty. A recent poll by Gallup shows that even
a majority in the Netherlands (72 percent) believe that the main suspect in the great Amsterdam sex case, the 27-year-old Robert M., a life sentence should be.  But for criminals such as Joran Dutch want the death penalty.

 ::snipping2::


Joran inspires a lot of people, I see!

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 20, 2012, 02:44:00 PM
http://www.watvindtnederlandervan.nl/index.php?fPID=Nieuws&fID=2409&fCat=&fSite=Nederland

20/03/2012
Reintroduce capital punishment in the Netherlands

Netherlands, in 1870 the death penalty removed from the normal criminal law. It was not until the constitution of 1983 before imposing the death penalty was actually prohibited by law.

In 1945 the death penalty was reintroduced for the punishment of war criminals.

The last execution was conducted in the Netherlands on 21 March 1952. That day there were two war criminals facing the firing squad: the German Artur Albrecht Wilhelm and Dutchman Pieter Andries. They were the last of the 39 after the Second World War by the state are executed.

In recent years, more and more Dutch people who want to reintroduce the death penalty. A recent poll by Gallup shows that even
a majority in the Netherlands (72 percent) believe that the main suspect in the great Amsterdam sex case, the 27-year-old Robert M., a life sentence should be.  But for criminals such as Joran Dutch want the death penalty.

 ::snipping2::


Thanks Grace.

When "higher ups" are protecting you ... in Aruba/Netherlands it appears you are not charged with anything connected to a crime.  The death penalty would never have applied to Joran van der Sloot even it had been on the books.

Janet

++++++

Held on Suspicion

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005

<snipped>

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


Protecting Joran

On the Record w / Greta
November 14, 2005


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ….. it has to be.

<snipped>

Transcript Credit: Heli/RU


NANCY GRACE
Aired February 15, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET

<snipped>

HOLLY HUGHES, GUEST HOST: Well, Jug, let me ask you this, do you think that Joran van der Sloot will ever be arrested and brought to trial in Natalee`s case?

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPHFATHER: I`d like to hope that he would, but I doubt it. You know, I pray every night that something will happen, somebody will say something. But to be honest, Holly, there`s so many people involved in this, it was a huge cover-up from the beginning. And there are so many people protecting him that I don`t know if they`d ever bring him to trial.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html
 

No Justice for Natalee in Aruba

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 182: September 1 Helen calls to say the court is asking for DNA from the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot and that their attorneys are fighting this.  She also says the suspects are pointing the finger at one another.

Page 183: Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says.  Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information.  So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

Natalee's handwriting on her immigration card states that the duration of her stay here would be four nights.  It has been ninety-five.  And I have painstakingly counted every one of them.

When Helen calls, I stand in a corner of the hotel room, phone to my ear, tapping my head against the wall over and over.  Tears fall hard.  "I'm done, Helen.  I'm done.  No justice for Natalee in Aruba.  I'm done."

Page 185: The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a restaurant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?

Page 189:    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done

s.t.


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Post by: texasmom on March 20, 2012, 10:06:20 PM
http://www.watvindtnederlandervan.nl/index.php?fPID=Nieuws&fID=2409&fCat=&fSite=Nederland

20/03/2012
Reintroduce capital punishment in the Netherlands

Netherlands, in 1870 the death penalty removed from the normal criminal law. It was not until the constitution of 1983 before imposing the death penalty was actually prohibited by law.

In 1945 the death penalty was reintroduced for the punishment of war criminals.

The last execution was conducted in the Netherlands on 21 March 1952. That day there were two war criminals facing the firing squad: the German Artur Albrecht Wilhelm and Dutchman Pieter Andries. They were the last of the 39 after the Second World War by the state are executed.

In recent years, more and more Dutch people who want to reintroduce the death penalty. A recent poll by Gallup shows that even
a majority in the Netherlands (72 percent) believe that the main suspect in the great Amsterdam sex case, the 27-year-old Robert M., a life sentence should be.  But for criminals such as Joran Dutch want the death penalty.

 ::snipping2::


Joran inspires a lot of people, I see!

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::rhino::

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::


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Post by: grace-land on March 21, 2012, 12:01:40 PM
http://www.dichtbij.nl/alphen/regionaal-nieuws/artikel/2299539/column-tamara.aspx

Google translation

Column: Tamara
REGION | March 21, 2012 | 1 | By White Weekly

Alphen - Since July 2006, the gruesome murder of Tamara Wolvers Alphen a sad handle. For the murder suspect from the start, but he was acquitted for lack of evidence. First, the court did that and then that happened on appeal, even after new evidence was submitted. The prosecution went in cassation to the Supreme Court but this action did not lead to conviction. The national press and TV journalist Peter R. de Vries devoted considerable attention to this horrible affair.

The backgrounds are remarkable. Around the murdered Tamara teeming with DNA traces. Traces of the perpetrator that the convincing evidence forms and allowing sometimes years later, an offender is caught. This time was different because the defendant could show that he (former) family of Tamara frequently been present in the house where the murder took place. Conclusion: DNA traces were not evidence and the suspect had only to hold his tongue to be acquitted.
 ::snipping2::
It is hoped that one day the killer gets remorse and still confesses. Probably not. But there are strohalmpjes. Remember the murder of Christel Ambrosius in Putten, the murder took place in 1994 and the offender could be sentenced in 2009 (in 2011 on appeal to 18 years). Consider also murderer Joran van der Sloot in 2005 was suspected of murdering the American Natalee and was eventually arrested for one (robbery) murder in 2010 the Peruvian Tatiana Ramirez. Although the world was convinced that Joran had murdered the American girl he could not be arrested and led his new 'murder' behavior still a conviction.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: texasmom on March 21, 2012, 08:00:46 PM
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2012/03/hero_brinkman_quits_the_pvv_op.php

Hero Brinkman quits the PVV, opposition call for new elections

Tuesday 20 March 2012

(http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/img/hero%20brinkman%20quits%20the%20pvv)

Hero Brinkman, an MP for the anti-immigration PVV since 2006, has left the party, saying he can no longer accept the lack of democracy within the organisation and the way different groups in society are constantly being singled out for criticism.

His decision means the ruling alliance – the minority cabinet plus PVV – no longer has a majority in parliament, although Brinkman said he would continue to support the government.

Brinkman told a news conference he had taken the decision to leave the PVV because as a democrat ‘and a positive person’, it had become too difficult to support a party ‘built around one man’ and which refuses to consider the future.

Members

Brinkman, a former policeman, has long campaigned to turn the PVV into a party with formal members, an annual conference and a youth wing. This has led to several clashes with founder Geert Wilders and other senior figures in the movement.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: texasmom on March 21, 2012, 08:05:54 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/dutch-press-review-wednesday-21-march-2012

 ::snipping2::

Brinkman holds balance of power
The real significance of the MP’s resignation from the PVV – he has not given up his seat – is that he is a crucial number 76 in a 150-seat parliament. The conservative-Christian Democrat minority coalition needs the parliamentary support of the PVV but, without Brinkman, has lost its one-seat majority.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 21, 2012, 11:56:47 PM
One week to go!  Tickets still available!

Beth Holloway
Thursday, March 22, 7 pm
Bristol Public Library | J. Henry Kegley Meeting Room


Tickets include: Private Meet & Greet at 6pm with Reserved seating to Presentation at 7pm and Hardcover copy of Loving Natalee $50.
General admission free, if available.

Beth Holloway is the mother of Natalee Holloway, who vanished on the last night of her senior class trip on May 30, 2005. To this day Beth continues to search for the truth of what happened. She grew up in Arkansas, then lived and worked in Tennessee, Mississippi, and finally Alabama where she now lives with her son, Matt. Holloway talks about hope, courage in sheer adversity, and travel safety.

http://www.bristol-library.org/discovery-series/ds-future-speakers

For more information regarding events and cost of attending contact Sarah Hutchinson, Marketing Director – Bristol Public Library Foundation at 276-821-6148 or marketing@bristol-library.org.



(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)




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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 21, 2012, 11:59:04 PM
SELF-EDIT

One week to go! s/b One day to go!


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 22, 2012, 12:07:46 AM
Beth Holloway In Bristol ThursdayBy Courteney Barnes
POSTED: 11:00 pm EDT March 21, 2012

BRISTOL, Tenn. -- A familiar face on national news will be in Bristol Thursday, as part of the Bristol Public Library's 2012 Discovery Series.

<snipped>

Beth Holloway will speak at the library at 7:30 Thursday night.

http://www.wcyb.com/news/30735414/detail.html



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Post by: texasmom on March 22, 2012, 02:05:10 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::





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Post by: Keepthefaith on March 22, 2012, 02:41:01 AM
THE ONLY ONE WHO NEED NOT FORGET, HASN'T FORGOTTEN.

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED

KEEPTHEFAITH

GOD BLESS

TICK

TOCK

 ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 22, 2012, 02:05:19 PM
THE ONLY ONE WHO NEED NOT FORGET, HASN'T FORGOTTEN.

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED

KEEPTHEFAITH

GOD BLESS

TICK

TOCK

 ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 23, 2012, 12:19:20 AM
IT IS WELL WORTH IT!

Loving Natalee

A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 208:
  The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

Page 209:  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive ...

Page 219: In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety message is my triumph over devastation.  It gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.  I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe.  They have to make the choice.  And I'm not asking them to do anything more than I ask myself.  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It is not easy.  I ask God to help me.  And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing  not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves.  But we all have to make hard choices.


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360

http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


 :smt060


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 23, 2012, 12:22:08 AM
Beth Holloway
March 22, 2012


DAVID CRIGGER/BRISTOL HERALD COURIER - Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway, spoke Thursday night at the Bristol Public Library as part of the 2012 Discovery Series.

http://www2.tricities.com/news/2012/mar/22/beth-holloway-2-im-160084/


 :smt041


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 23, 2012, 12:25:24 AM

(http://leadercall.com/archive/x563625244/g00025800000000000029374d63c8ae6630c18d59f5eb785cd45dc76353.jpg)




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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 23, 2012, 12:43:16 AM
UPDATE!!

 :smt026

March 22, 2012
Beth Holloway Come To Bristol

The disappearance of Natalee Holloway on a trip to Aruba made national news. Thursday Night her mother Beth Holloway was in Bristol to tell how she's using her life experience to help other families.

It was an event that drew a crowd of nearly 100 to the Bristol public Library Thursday night and parents like Leslie Crigger were searching for direction to keep their kids safe. "If she can give me information on how to feel comfortable and let them live their life and be prepared for tragedy so that I will be prepared for situations like this and have a handle then, It's good to be very useful to me and my kids."

Beth Holloway made a stop earlier in the day at Tennessee High School to talk to Juniors and Seniors about being safe and learning from Natalee's disappearance. Students learned a lot but Megan Hopkins was here to find out more about the challenges holloway faced. "The legal process of what she faced in Aruba with the difference in politics in Aruba and the US."

Holloway thinks kids learn more about what parents fear than we think. "They.ve heard their parents say this all their lives but they didn't relate to it. When I present then it is like it brings it full circle."

And Anita Machado of the Bristol Public Library Foundation thinks there is a message here for every adult. "to get the message of faith and hope. She doesn't want this to happen to any other parent or any other family that they have to experience what she has."

Even though there has never been real closure for the Holloway family, using the experience to help others has been a comfort for Beth Holloway "It's been six and a half years almost in my search for Natalee, and not only searching for Natalee but I have had a lot of experience in the last six and a half years of helping other families."

http://www.wcyb.com/news/30743650/detail.html

TY s.t.






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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 23, 2012, 12:46:17 AM
Hi Grace ... I see ya in the rafters.

Good Night

Janet
9:40 PM PT


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Post by: grace-land on March 23, 2012, 12:52:02 AM
Thank you for the update, Janet!

Quote
"It's been six and a half years almost in my search for Natalee, and not only searching for Natalee but I have had a lot of experience in the last six and a half years of helping other families."
  -- Beth Holloway

Justice for Natalee!   ::justice2NJ::


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Post by: texasmom on March 23, 2012, 05:12:44 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::


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Post by: can on March 23, 2012, 07:16:21 AM
 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::

texasmom -  ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 23, 2012, 11:26:36 AM
Natalee Holloway's mother speaks at Bristol Public Library
Published: March 23, 2012 Updated: March 23, 2012 - 9:00 AM


BRISTOL, Va. -- Some four sleepless days into searching crack houses, alleys and the darker side of an island paradise, Beth Holloway knew in her heart that missing daughter Natalee was dead.

Seventeen-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared from the Caribbean island of Aruba in May 2005. Her body was never found and no one has been charged with the crime.

Nearly seven years later, Beth Holloway continues to honor Natalee’s memory by speaking out about travel safety, while promoting organizations to aid families whose loved ones are missing and educating those who travel abroad. On Thursday night at the Bristol Public Library, she held a group of more than 100 spellbound while describing her journey through tragedy.

She recounted the nightmarish search for her missing daughter, the indifference and lack of cooperation from foreign law enforcement and the encounters with prime suspect Joran van der Sloot.

Holloway said she gave up hope her daughter would be found alive after finally seeing surveillance video that didn’t show Natalee returning to the hotel in a car, as van der Sloot had said. After viewing the tapes, Holloway frantically left the hotel in search of a church. She found a row of crosses.

“I came upon a beautiful cross and fell down on my knees and cried out to God to please give her back,” Holloway said, as many in the audience wiped away tears. “I took pebbles from the ground and rubbed them across her picture – praying, crying and begging God to give her back. After being numb for days, there was pain, torturous pain. I went to each cross, knelt down and repeated my prayer."

“As I reached the fifth cross, the answer to these prayers came: complete peace blanketed me. And, in that instant, I knew that Natalee was with God. Somehow I knew that the moment she got into the backseat of that car, her heavenly Father wrapped His loving arms around her and cared for her through whatever ordeal she encountered that night. The wind blew – and I felt Natalee – and I promised to never give up searching for her.”

While the Holloway case was never solved, Beth Holloway remains convinced van der Sloot was responsible. Earlier this year, he was sentenced to 28 years in a Peruvian prison after confessing to the murder of a young woman there in 2010. He is expected to eventually be sent to the U.S., to face charges of trying to extort money from Holloway.

A former teacher, Holloway said her mission now is to educate others about the potential dangers of traveling abroad and urging them to take certain steps to safeguard themselves.

“We don’t teach our children these things because we live in fear, but because it’s not a safe world,” Holloway said. “It might not be safe at home – in an Internet chat room – and it might not be safe on an exotic island trip with friends. What I really want our children and young adults to hear is that their personal safety is up to them.”

On Thursday afternoon, Holloway took that message directly to about 600 Tennessee High School seniors and juniors. She talked, in graphic detail, about what she experienced searching for her daughter and the circumstances that likely befell Natalee the night before she was scheduled to fly home to America.

Senior Meagan Hopkins said it was a powerful message that resonated with her and classmates.

“She said when we go to a foreign country; the people there aren’t necessarily looking out for you. That we need to take precautions, get some emergency numbers and locate legal resources, to be totally prepared, have international calling on our phones and have a plan,” Hopkins said.

Hopkins was familiar with the story, having read Holloway’s book “Loving Natalee: A Mother’s Test of Hope and Faith,” that was on the New York Times bestseller list in 2007.

“It [book] had me in tears many times throughout the book. It’s surreal to think about something like that happening to someone. She described it in such detail, I felt like I was with her in Aruba. It was hard to read because you know how the story ends, but it’s a book I think all people should read, especially before going on a trip,” Hopkins said, adding that she hopes to study in China this summer and plans to heed Holloway’s advice.

“To make the transition from victim to victor, I made a choice to turn what I’ve learned through a tragedy into a learning experience for others. My audience is global, but even if I only reach one individual with my message – a student, a parent, a traveler, you – then I’ve become the victor over all the sorrow and the pain,” Holloway said.

To those ends, she has established the International Safe Travels Foundation, a nonprofit organization designed to educate the public about traveling safely overseas. The Natalee Holloway Resource Center, which opened two years ago in the National Museum of Crime and Punishment, was set up to aid families of missing persons. Beth Holloway previously hosted a TV show about missing persons, and her book was made into two TV movies

<snipped>

http://www2.tricities.com/news/2012/mar/23/natalee-holloways-mother-speaks-bristol-public-lib-ar-1787274/


Loving Natalee - A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


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Post by: grace-land on March 23, 2012, 11:51:24 AM
Thank you, Janet, for the article.  Beth gave a wonderful, powerful message to both audiences!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Her message of hope and faith was so moving, especially this one--

Quote

“As I reached the fifth cross, the answer to these prayers came: complete peace blanketed me. And, in that instant, I knew that Natalee was with God. Somehow I knew that the moment she got into the backseat of that car, her heavenly Father wrapped His loving arms around her and cared for her through whatever ordeal she encountered that night. The wind blew – and I felt Natalee – and I promised to never give up searching for her.”
 

 ::justice2NJ::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 23, 2012, 11:53:30 AM

Natalee Holloway's mother speaks at Bristol Public Library
Published: March 23, 2012 Updated: March 23, 2012 - 9:00 AM


BRISTOL, Va. -- Some four sleepless days into searching crack houses, alleys and the darker side of an island paradise, Beth Holloway knew in her heart that missing daughter Natalee was dead. ...

Holloway said she gave up hope her daughter would be found alive after finally seeing surveillance video that didn’t show Natalee returning to the hotel in a car, as van der Sloot had said. After viewing the tapes, Holloway frantically left the hotel in search of a church.

<snipped>

http://www2.tricities.com/news/2012/mar/23/natalee-holloways-mother-speaks-bristol-public-lib-ar-1787274/


Loving Natalee - A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx



The Rest of My Life

Loving Natalee - A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 96 - 97:
  The black and white footage plays.  Suddenly a girl with light hair crosses the threshold of the lobby.  The video is grainy, but clearly shows the lobby entrance of the Holiday Inn.  I ask them to rewind it and play it again.  I recognize her.  I want it to be Natalee, but know it's not.  It's Mat's daughter.  I ask to see it again.  Again.  Again.  Play it once more.  Now again.  More than ten times they rewind the spot on the tape that shows this young woman coming into the hotel and stopping at the front desk to get a key.  I so want it to be my daughter.  Maybe if I look at it enough times I can make it her.  Please!  Play it again.  Slow it down.  Now pause it.  Please, be Natalee.  But it isn't.  I already know the second time I see it that it isn't her.  The tapes play out.

The night passes.  Natalee never appears at the hotel where Joran and Deepak so elaborately demonstrated they left her.  She never came back.  She never got out of that car and stumbled and bumped her head like they told me.  She got into Deepak's car at Carlos 'n Charlie's, but they didn't bring her here like they said they did.  And I surmise that this must be why Paulus is telling people, like the headmaster, that the outside hotel cameras are broken.  So no one would find out the truth.

There is silence in the little crowed room.  Eventually the quiet is broken as police officers and detectives who witness the same evidence we do in the wee hours of Thursday morning begin to speak very softly, almost whispering to one another in Dutch and Papiamento.  I don't know what they're saying but they are very subdued.

They all see for themselves that Joran, Deepak and Satish never brought Natalee back to the Holiday Inn.  Those three made everything up, from how they took her to the lighthouse to see sharks to how they left her at the hotel.  Joran isn't a tourist, and he isn't staying at the Holiday Inn.  He isn't nineteen years old, as he told Natalee's friends.  He's seventeen.  It's all lies.  All of it.  The dialog between Natalee and Joran, the places they went, how they got home -- concocted.  And for what reason?  Surely to cover the truth about what has really happened to Natalee.  They know.  And now we all know they lied.  But what they don't know is that I'm willing to wait out all their lies to get to the truth.  I have the rest of my life to find out what has happened to Natalee.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 23, 2012, 12:03:49 PM
Thank you, Janet, for the article.  Beth gave a wonderful, powerful message to both audiences!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Her message of hope and faith was so moving, especially this one--

Quote

“As I reached the fifth cross, the answer to these prayers came: complete peace blanketed me. And, in that instant, I knew that Natalee was with God. Somehow I knew that the moment she got into the backseat of that car, her heavenly Father wrapped His loving arms around her and cared for her through whatever ordeal she encountered that night. The wind blew – and I felt Natalee – and I promised to never give up searching for her.”
 

 ::justice2NJ::



Grace ... Beth Holloway continues to honor her pledge that she made within six months of losing her precious daughter.  She is one amazing woman!  Beth's testimony is a constant  source of inspiration and encouragement.

I hope your day is good.

 :sunny:

Janet

+++++


My Pledge

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 189:    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.
 
Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.  I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge. It's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professionals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 23, 2012, 01:42:13 PM
Natalee Holloway's mother speaks at Bristol Public Library
Published: March 23, 2012 Updated: March 23, 2012 - 9:00 AM


<snipped>

The Natalee Holloway Resource Center, which opened two years ago in the National Museum of Crime and Punishment, was set up to aid families of missing persons. Beth Holloway previously hosted a TV show about missing persons, and her book was made into two TV movies.

She was the first speaker in the library’s 2012 Discovery Series, which brings internationally known authors, speakers and media personalities to the Twin City.

<snipped>

http://www2.tricities.com/news/2012/mar/23/natalee-holloways-mother-speaks-bristol-public-lib-ar-1787274/

+++++

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith

By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Vanished With Beth Holloway Episodes
http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/vanished-with-beth-holloway/episode-tips

Lifetime Natalee Holloway Movies

“Natalee Holloway”
http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway

"Justice for Natalee Holloway"
http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/justice-for-natalee-holloway/about

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


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Post by: grace-land on March 23, 2012, 05:08:25 PM
http://www.ed.nl/nieuws/algemeen/binnenland/10722830/Joran-van-der-Sloot-deelt-zijn-cel-met-ander.ece

Google translation

Joran shares his cell with another
Friday, March 23, 2012 | 8:54 p.m. | Last updated: Friday, March 23, 2012 | 8:55 p.m.

LIMA - Joran van der Sloot is no longer in solitary confinement in the Peruvian prison Piedras Gordas. That said his lawyer Jose Jimenez requested by the ANP.
 
"He's not in a meditatiecel, as it is called, but now has more space and shares a cell with another prisoner'' said Jimenez.
 
Van der Sloot, he said, still upset because he was transferred from the Castro Castro prison to Piedras Gordas, in a wasteland outside the Peruvian capital Lima is located and has a stricter regime. The Institute for correctional facilities INPE has still not responded to Van der Sloot's request to return to Castro Castro should go, said Jimenez.


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Post by: klaasend on March 23, 2012, 06:16:58 PM
http://www.funny-celebrity-pictures.com/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-in-jail-with-his.html

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-E0hm_9OoluI/TxEhfoE99BI/AAAAAAABEug/owCLaUtNq84/s1600/joran-van-der-sloot+in+jail+photo.jpg)


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Post by: yuknomenot on March 23, 2012, 06:20:14 PM
 ::MonkeyGavel:: more justice  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 23, 2012, 06:26:22 PM
 Klaas!  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDance::


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 23, 2012, 06:26:39 PM
(http://bestsmileys.com/lol/4.gif)

Now THAT'S funny!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 23, 2012, 06:27:30 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/van-der-sloot-out-solitary-confinement


Van der Sloot out of solitary confinement

Published on 23 March 2012 - 10:25pm
More about: Joran van der Sloot Peru Stephany Flores
Joran van der Sloot has been taken out of solitary confinement in the Peruvian prison Piedras Gordas. His lawyer José Jiménez has told the ANP:

“He is no longer in a mediation cell as they call it, but he now has more room and shares his cell with another detainee.”

He says Van der Sloot is still annoyed that he has been transferred from the Castro Castro prison in the Peruvian capital Lima to Piedras Gordas in the desert outside the city. The prison is notorious for its strict regime. Mr Jiménez says the authorities have not responded to a request to be transferred back.

The lawyer says the transfer was uncalled for, because Van der Sloot had not misbehaved and the image that his cell was luxurious was incorrect.

Van der Sloot’s lawyer says there is no news about his appeal, but a decision is expected within a few weeks
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Anna on March 23, 2012, 06:40:29 PM
 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 23, 2012, 06:53:43 PM
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::monkeywine2::


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Post by: grace-land on March 23, 2012, 06:57:57 PM
Klaas!  ::MonkeyDevil::  ::boxingjoran::


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 23, 2012, 07:01:49 PM
http://www.funny-celebrity-pictures.com/2012/01/joran-van-der-sloot-in-jail-with-his.html

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-E0hm_9OoluI/TxEhfoE99BI/AAAAAAABEug/owCLaUtNq84/s1600/joran-van-der-sloot+in+jail+photo.jpg)

Bumpin' it 'cause it's so darn funny!!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 23, 2012, 07:59:00 PM
All I did was google images for "Joran Cell Mate"  ::MonkeyDevil::

Must be true, I googled it, LOLOL  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::boxingjoran::


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Post by: wreck on March 23, 2012, 08:06:51 PM
Why would Joran be upset???????? Looks like a match made in heaven!!  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::monkeydust:: ::monkeydust:: ::monkeydust:: ::monkeydust:: ::monkeydust::


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Post by: Ono on March 23, 2012, 08:27:20 PM
 ::MonkeyJnBox::


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Post by: Buckeye on March 23, 2012, 08:59:36 PM
 :smt110 :smt110 :smt043


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Post by: KittyMom on March 23, 2012, 09:35:57 PM
Much needed laugh!

 ::MonkeyDevil::


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Post by: jamcakes on March 23, 2012, 10:49:34 PM
Enjoyed Joran's "shampoo"

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: wreck on March 23, 2012, 11:08:51 PM
My apologies to Janet.................................. Joran IS being pampered in prison!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 24, 2012, 01:19:06 PM
My apologies to Janet.................................. Joran IS being pampered in prison!  ::MonkeyWink::

No need to apologized to me Wreck.  However ... maybe one is due to Stephany Flores' father who I trust knows what his investigation revealed.

Janet

++++++


Ricardo Flores - Joran's "Ecessive" Privileges

Flores, Holloway families await van der Sloot's trial
1/13/2012


Stephany Flores’ family is still holding out hope they can convince the court to increase the charges to include a possible life sentence. Stephany’s father, Ricardo Flores, claims Van der Sloot has lived “like a king” while the Flores family mourns.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Flores-Holloway-families-await-van-der-Sloots/KxiEyoDHDEypHoVG4yN6Sw.cspx


Saturday, January 14, 2012
Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years

 
"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cell phone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017229687.html
 
 
Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST

 
After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

“Mr. Flores wants peace for his family. The damage is done and it is beyond repair,” he continued.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/13/van-der-sloot-gets-28-years-for-murder-in-peru.html


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Post by: texasmom on March 24, 2012, 03:03:22 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

IMO wreck doesn't owe Ricardo Flores an apology at all.  He didn't disagree with Ricardo Flores, he disagreed (as others did as well) with extreme and excessive SPECULATION that so called powers that be in Aruba and/or the Netherlands were making Joran's extra privileges possible; to keep him quiet.  I think most of us agree that the extra comforts Joran was experiencing were bought and paid for by Mary Hamer and/or other stupid people.  In the beginning, the money paid for "exclusive" interviews probably helped too.  IIRC, wreck said that Joran wasn't getting anything that others with the ability to pay for it didn't have or couldn't get.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 24, 2012, 03:28:21 PM
Ricardo Flores words/investigation reveal that Joran van der Sloot has been receiving "excessive" "preferential" privileges while in a Peruvian lockup since the getgo ... prior to Mary Hamer entering the scenario.  Why?

Janet

+++++


Ricardo Flores - Joran's "Ecessive" Privileges

November 10, 2010
FLORES FAMILY SAY JORAN LIVES LIKE KING


Stepahany Flores was murdered on 30 May in a hotel room, which hosts the Dutch Joran Van derSloot. Who is the prime suspect in the death of the young.

Everything indicates that the murderer would derSloot Van Stephany, because a video shows that he was the last to see her alive and enter the room where he was brutally murdered.

However, the family of the victim shows his great reproach to the Peruvian justice system, noting that Joran lives "like a king in jail."

"It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals," said Ricardo Flores outraged father of the girl killed.

<snipped>

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey


Saturday, January 14, 2012
Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years

 
"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cell phone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017229687.html
 
 
Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST

 
After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

“Mr. Flores wants peace for his family. The damage is done and it is beyond repair,” he continued.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/13/van-der-sloot-gets-28-years-for-murder-in-peru.html


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Post by: Red on March 24, 2012, 03:54:38 PM
Joran Van der Sloot’s Lawyer Whines that His Client Removed from Castro Castro Prison and Put in More Strick Piedras Gordas

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/03/24/joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-whines-that-his-client-removed-from-castro-castro-prison-and-put-in-more-strick-piedras-gordas/

Quote
Attorney Jiménez cry me a river, “how about some cheese with that “whine” …

According to Radio Netherlands Worldwide, Joran Van der Sloot has been removed from solitary confinement at Piedras Gordas prison and now back in a cell shared with another con.  However, Van der Sloot’s attorney is whining over the fact that the “Sperter” has been transferred from Castro Castro prison in the Peruvian capital of Lima to Piedras Gordas in the desert outside the city. Piedras Gordas  is considered a more harsh and strict prison. Jimenez is appealing the transfer and says that it was uncalled for, because Van der Sloot had not misbehaved and the image that his cell was luxurious was incorrect. Attorney Jiménez, ask us if we care?

One might want to ask Attorney Jiménez a question … do either Stephany Flores or Natalee Holloway have the choice of where they want to live? I didn’t think so.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 24, 2012, 03:59:34 PM
Joran Van der Sloot’s Lawyer Whines that His Client Removed from Castro Castro Prison and Put in More Strick Piedras Gordas

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/03/24/joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-whines-that-his-client-removed-from-castro-castro-prison-and-put-in-more-strick-piedras-gordas/

Quote
Attorney Jiménez cry me a river, “how about some cheese with that “whine” …

According to Radio Netherlands Worldwide, Joran Van der Sloot has been removed from solitary confinement at Piedras Gordas prison and now back in a cell shared with another con.  However, Van der Sloot’s attorney is whining over the fact that the “Sperter” has been transferred from Castro Castro prison in the Peruvian capital of Lima to Piedras Gordas in the desert outside the city. Piedras Gordas  is considered a more harsh and strict prison. Jimenez is appealing the transfer and says that it was uncalled for, because Van der Sloot had not misbehaved and the image that his cell was luxurious was incorrect. Attorney Jiménez, ask us if we care?

One might want to ask Attorney Jiménez a question … do either Stephany Flores or Natalee Holloway have the choice of where they want to live? I didn’t think so.

Exactly Red.  They can get over it.  I'm just hoping winter comes soon for Joran, it's brutal there I think.

 ::boxingjoran::

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: wreck on March 24, 2012, 04:08:32 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

IMO wreck doesn't owe Ricardo Flores an apology at all.  He didn't disagree with Ricardo Flores, he disagreed (as others did as well) with extreme and excessive SPECULATION that so called powers that be in Aruba and/or the Netherlands were making Joran's extra privileges possible; to keep him quiet.  I think most of us agree that the extra comforts Joran was experiencing were bought and paid for by Mary Hamer and/or other stupid people.  In the beginning, the money paid for "exclusive" interviews probably helped too.  IIRC, wreck said that Joran wasn't getting anything that others with the ability to pay for it didn't have or couldn't get.

JMO

Also, Ricardo Flores is not blaming Joran's treatment on the The Netherlands or Aruba. I don't think he is really blaming Peru's government as much as he is Joran just getting extra privileges in general. He is blaming the Peruvian guards which are obviously corruptible by ANYONE with money.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 24, 2012, 04:51:26 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

IMO wreck doesn't owe Ricardo Flores an apology at all.  He didn't disagree with Ricardo Flores, he disagreed (as others did as well) with extreme and excessive SPECULATION that so called powers that be in Aruba and/or the Netherlands were making Joran's extra privileges possible; to keep him quiet.  I think most of us agree that the extra comforts Joran was experiencing were bought and paid for by Mary Hamer and/or other stupid people.  In the beginning, the money paid for "exclusive" interviews probably helped too.  IIRC, wreck said that Joran wasn't getting anything that others with the ability to pay for it didn't have or couldn't get.

JMO

Also, Ricardo Flores is not blaming Joran's treatment on the The Netherlands or Aruba. I don't think he is really blaming Peru's government as much as he is Joran just getting extra privileges in general. He is blaming the Peruvian guards which are obviously corruptible by ANYONE with money.

Ricardo Flores complains that others were watching Joran's back from DAY ONE and I SPECULATE that those others had a Dutch/Aruba foundation.

I am disappointed that Ricardo Flores never did reveal the outcome of his investigation.  Maybe the day will comes when a report on Ricardo Flores' investigation will be forthcoming.  If the father of Stephany Flores' exposes to the world that "guards" were behind the excessive priviliges from DAY ONE ... I will eat an entire humble pie.

Janet

++++++


Saturday, January 14, 2012
Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years

 
"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

<snipped>

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017229687.html


Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST

 
After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,”  said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

<snipped>

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/13/van-der-sloot-gets-28-years-for-murder-in-peru.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 24, 2012, 05:24:23 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

IMO wreck doesn't owe Ricardo Flores an apology at all.  He didn't disagree with Ricardo Flores, he disagreed (as others did as well) with extreme and excessive SPECULATION that so called powers that be in Aruba and/or the Netherlands were making Joran's extra privileges possible; to keep him quiet.  I think most of us agree that the extra comforts Joran was experiencing were bought and paid for by Mary Hamer and/or other stupid people.  In the beginning, the money paid for "exclusive" interviews probably helped too.  IIRC, wreck said that Joran wasn't getting anything that others with the ability to pay for it didn't have or couldn't get.

JMO

Also, Ricardo Flores is not blaming Joran's treatment on the The Netherlands or Aruba. I don't think he is really blaming Peru's government as much as he is Joran just getting extra privileges in general. He is blaming the Peruvian guards which are obviously corruptible by ANYONE with money.

 ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 24, 2012, 05:30:51 PM


Protecting Joran

On the Record w / Greta
November 14, 2005


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ….. it has to be.

<snipped>

Transcript Credit: Heli/RU


NANCY GRACE
Aired February 15, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

HOLLY HUGHES, GUEST HOST: Well, Jug, let me ask you this, do you think that Joran van der Sloot will ever be arrested and brought to trial in Natalee`s case?

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPHFATHER: I`d like to hope that he would, but I doubt it. You know, I pray every night that something will happen, somebody will say something. But to be honest, Holly, there`s so many people involved in this, it was a huge cover-up from the beginning. And there are so many people protecting him that I don`t know if they`d ever bring him to trial.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html


NANCY GRACE
Aired September 13, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

NANCY GRACE, HOST: What was the grounds? Why did they release them?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: You know, Nancy, there was absolutely no -- no grounds for them to be released. And I spoke with the Dutch interrogators. And even as of September the 1st, things were really progressing well, and Joran and Deepak and Satish, they had -- these young men had divided, and they were not denying a crime anymore. They were merely implicating each other. And the list of inconsistencies was presented before Judge Smit. The reasonable doubt was there. I don`t have any idea why he fled the island and then faxed a reversal decision. It just is incredible.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/13/ng.01.html


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 24, 2012, 05:52:16 PM
PROTECTING JORAN

Flip Flop Ruling

Aruba suspect’s father says son to be released
updated 9/1/2005 8:08:36 PM ET 2005-09-02T00:08:36


<snipped>

The judge in the case issued two rulings: In the first, he agreed with prosecutors' request to extend the period of van der Sloot's pretrial detention by 30 more days.

But later Thursday, the judge issued another ruling that sided with the defense — an order to immediately suspend the execution of his earlier pretrial detention order.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9163292/


Released with Restrictions

Aruba Suspects Released From Jail
September 04, 2005


SAINT NICOLAAS, Aruba - All three suspects in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager were released from jail Saturday in a setback for the prosecution and the biggest blow yet to Natalee Holloway’s family.

Joran van der Sloot, an 18-year-old Dutchman, and two Surinamese brothers, Satish Kalpoe, 18 and Deepak Kalpoe, 21, were released on condition they remain in Dutch territory and be available to police for questioning.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168442,00.html


Restrictions Lifted

Aruba court lifts curbs on three suspects in missing teen case
September 27, 2005


An Aruban court has ruled that three suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway can remain free without conditions.

Wednesday's ruling overturned an earlier decision that restricted the suspects' travel and required them to remain available to investigators. The appeals court said there was a --quote-- "lack of sufficient grounds and serious suspicions" to keep the restrictions on the three men. Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers -- Deepak and Satish Kalpoe -- are suspects in the May 30 disappearance of the Alabama teen. They were released from jail on September 3rd on the condition they remain available for questioning.

http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=3857796&nav=0RdEeaxB

yw s.t.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 24, 2012, 05:57:35 PM
No Justice for Natalee in Aruba

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 182: September 1 Helen calls to say the court is asking for DNA from the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot and that their attorneys are fighting this.  She also says the suspects are pointing the finger at one another.

Page 183: Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says.  Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information.  So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

Natalee's handwriting on her immigration card states that the duration of her stay here would be four nights.  It has been ninety-five.  And I have painstakingly counted every one of them.

When Helen calls, I stand in a corner of the hotel room, phone to my ear, tapping my head against the wall over and over.  Tears fall hard.  "I'm done, Helen.  I'm done.  No justice for Natalee in Aruba.  I'm done."

Page 185: The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a restaurant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?

Page 189:    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: wreck on March 24, 2012, 08:02:34 PM


Protecting Joran

On the Record w / Greta
November 14, 2005

<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ….. it has to be.
[/color]


<snipped>

Transcript Credit: Heli/RU


NANCY GRACE
Aired February 15, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

HOLLY HUGHES, GUEST HOST: Well, Jug, let me ask you this, do you think that Joran van der Sloot will ever be arrested and brought to trial in Natalee`s case?

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPHFATHER: I`d like to hope that he would, but I doubt it. You know, I pray every night that something will happen, somebody will say something. But to be honest, Holly, there`s so many people involved in this, it was a huge cover-up from the beginning. And there are so many people protecting him that I don`t know if they`d ever bring him to trial.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html


NANCY GRACE
Aired September 13, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

NANCY GRACE, HOST: What was the grounds? Why did they release them?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: You know, Nancy, there was absolutely no -- no grounds for them to be released. And I spoke with the Dutch interrogators. And even as of September the 1st, things were really progressing well, and Joran and Deepak and Satish, they had -- these young men had divided, and they were not denying a crime anymore. They were merely implicating each other. And the list of inconsistencies was presented before Judge Smit. The reasonable doubt was there. I don`t have any idea why he fled the island and then faxed a reversal decision. It just is incredible.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/13/ng.01.html


Good lord, -- that was 7 years ago  -- six years before Peru.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 24, 2012, 08:23:26 PM

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #841 6/22/10 -
« Reply #1553 on: June 26, 2010, 12:47:13 AM »


I just have a feeling something even bigger is going to happen.  I have a feeling that Joran is going to throw people under the bus and start naming names.  Joran is mad and he will turn his anger towards Aruba for not helping him.  Everyone get ready to run.

People like:

Van der Straaten
Rudy Croes
Nelson Oduber
Karin Jannsen
Rick Smid
Bob Witt
Ben King
Michael Posner
Julia Renfro

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8145.msg1170391#msg1170391


Looking back almost two years ... why did San's scenario ... which I was in agreement ... not play out?  Could it be that the appeasement of Joran van der Sloot is the reason the Aruban house of cards has yet to collapsed ... the Aruban house of cards that was built around the Natalee Holloway case.
.
According to Richard Flores' private investigation Joran received excessive privileges in the Peruvian lockup from DAY ONE.  For a murder that was beyond brutal ... the Peruvian  justice system sentenced Joran to 28 years rather than a life sentence.  Twenty-eight years translates into approximately 9 years.  The newly passed extradition treaty ... coincidence or not ... implies that in all probability Joran will spend at least part of that short sentence in the Netherlands.

Justice for Stephany Flores?  I don't think so.



(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 24, 2012, 08:26:23 PM
Peruvian Justice System - Unofficial Payments

Judicial System
Individual Corruption


The Peruvian judicial system is tainted with corruption and official pressure, according to the US Department of State 2010. Similarly, Freedom House 2011 reports that corruption in the judiciary remains rampant. Also Transparency International's Global Corruption Barometer 2010 points out that the judiciary is among the most corrupt public institutions in Peru. According to the report, well over half of the surveyed households consider it as 'extremely corrupt', while more than a quarter reports having paid a bribe in 2009. Also, in the Proética Fifth National Survey on Corruption 2008, the surveyed citizens consider the judiciary to be among the most corrupt institutions in Peru.  User surveys also indicate that unofficial payments affect both the speed and the final outcome of judicial processes.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 24, 2012, 09:05:11 PM
 :scratch:

http://www.tvequals.com/2012/03/23/30-rock-grandmentor-review/
30 Rock “Grandmentor” Review
March 23, 2012

It’s the annual TGS walk-on contest on 30 Rock. Thankfully Liz avoids the unpleasantness of announcing Joran Van Der Sloot as the winner and allows Kenneth to take the spot in a ploy to save Tracy from Hazel.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 24, 2012, 09:32:00 PM
O/T

MuffyBee, your smiley eating that chocolate rabbit is cracking me up!  I love it!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 24, 2012, 10:05:49 PM
O/T

MuffyBee, your smiley eating that chocolate rabbit is cracking me up!  I love it!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::bee::


Thank you, texasmom. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 24, 2012, 10:27:28 PM
https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen.nl/kst-32500-VI-113.html

Google translation:

Meeting Year 2010-2011
Papers No. 113-VI 32,500
Available since
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:51

32 500 VI
Adoption of the budget of the Ministry of Justice (VI) for the year 2011
Nr. 113


LETTER FROM THE MINISTER OF SAFETY AND JUSTICE


To the Speaker of the House of Representatives

The Hague, June 27, 2011

By October 1, 2011 changes the Dutch implementation policy regarding the transfer of prisoners to the Netherlands under the Act sentence transfer enforcement (WOTS). The WOTS implements include in the framework of the Council of Europe convention on the Transfer of Sentenced Persons of 1983 (VOGP).

Procedures for conversion and continuation

The WOTS and VOGP have two procedures: the conversion procedure and the procedure continued implementation.

The conversion process converts a Dutch court the foreign criminal to Dutch standards, what in some cases-especially drug offenses - can lead to the foreign criminal is reduced. The conversion process is the creation of the WOTS considered the procedure of choice in the Netherlands enjoys (a) .

The procedure continued implementation of the foreign sentence in its entirety by the Netherlands, albeit that the Dutch statutory maximum sentence shall not be exceeded. If this is the case the penalty may only be taken as condemnation of the country agrees to a modification of the penalty to the Dutch maximum sentence. The procedure continued enforcement is applied by the Netherlands as the country where the conviction, as specifically requested.

Purpose WOTS: rehabilitation and reducing recidivism risk

The idea behind the transfer of sentenced persons is that a penalty in the country of which the convicted person and / or lives and rooted, the chance of rehabilitation of the offender and increases the risk of recidivism decreases.

Implementation in the Netherlands of a punishment to a Dutchman abroad is imposed, a convicted offers the possibility to express in its own language and country to prepare for the return to society. This is also in the Dutch interest, since the offender usually after serving his sentence abroad will return to the Netherlands. By the latter part of the foreign sentence in the Netherlands to implement, will prevent the offender without preparation is returned to the Dutch society.

Preferred other EU countries for continued implementation

The vast majority of Dutch citizens abroad have been convicted, are detained in one of the EU countries. The majority of these countries is only willing to transfer prisoners to the Netherlands as the Netherlands continued implementation of the procedure applies. The reason for this reduction is the punishment that often results from application of the conversion process. Of the countries where several Dutch detention, votes only Belgium, Denmark, Portugal, Spain and the United Kingdom in the conversion process.

Policy: No transfer without penalty remainder

Many requests for shipments originating from countries that accept the conversion procedure, however, should be rejected because after transfer to the Netherlands and after conversion by the Dutch courts, no or insufficient punishment remainder would remain. The rejection of this request stems from the "Policy on the transfer of enforcement of foreign criminal judgments" by the then Minister of Justice in late 2007 was sent to the House in February and on 13 February 2008 in the House was discussed. It says that the Netherlands will seek that with each shipment a residual sentence in the Netherlands can be implemented so that the transmission can also stretch to rehabilitation of the claimant. With the application of the WOTS is indeed taking over the enforcement of foreign criminal sentences intended. Since the policy applies, being taken to ensure that detainees arriving in the Netherlands not immediately be released. This means that in practice, because of the lack of punishment remaining after conversion, the transfer of a prisoner in many cases can be established. In this situation voortgezettte enforcement arises less often.

EU Framework Decision: implementation procedure of continuing the line

Within the EU changes after the 2012 transfer of sentenced persons by the gradual implementation of the Framework Decision 2008/909/JHA of the Council of the European Union of 27 November 2008 3 . This Framework Decision still in the process of continuing enforcement. The framework thus provides further substance to the principle of mutual recognition that focuses criminal cooperation in the European Union.

The bill to implement this Framework will shortly be submitted to the House.

Policy Change per 1 October 2011

Against the background of the above, I chose the procedure continued implementation within the European Union's main procedure to make. Although the formation of the WOTS primarily based on the conversion procedure, but I note that a majority of EU member states a preference for applying the procedure of continuing enforcement. In addition, the importance of the principle of mutual recognition of criminal cooperation in the European Union increasingly to the fore to assist. In this area, a significant number of framework decisions come about, which is now added the aforementioned Framework Decision on the transfer of enforcement of criminal sanctions.

Surrender of Dutch and grid

For completeness, I note that I will see if the conversion procedure should remain applicable to cases where the Netherlands nationals or their equivalent on supplies for the prosecution in another EU country. In such cases, the condition that the implementation of any custodial sentence imposed in the Netherlands can take place, which the punishment is converted to Dutch standards (the return guarantee). On the occasion of the submission of the aforementioned implementation bill, I will make known my decision about this.

This change in the application of the Dutch WOTS execution policy will take effect on October 1, 2011 within the EU. I trust that this change leads to the goal of the WOTS, reducing recidivism and rehabilitation, in more cases will be realized.

The Minister of Safety and Justice
IW Opstelten


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 24, 2012, 10:32:56 PM
http://www.tweedekamer.nl/vergaderingen/commissievergaderingen/volgende_weken/details.jsp?parlisnummer=2011A03695&dayofweek=Woensdag&his=1

Google translation:

Commission Meeting Agenda - House of Representatives

Safety and Justice Agenda
Wednesday, November 16, 2011 Public
Time:    1:30 p.m. -16:30 hours
City:   Troelstra Hall
Type:   General consultation
Lead Commission:   Safety and Justice
Criminal Law in the EU
Agenda items:
1.   Letter about some European instruments in the making
32317-72 dated September 9, 2011
Some European instruments in the making
2.   Transfer of sentenced persons from EU countries (WOTS)
32500-VI-113 dated June 28, 2011

3.   File: Directive on the right of access to counsel in criminal proceedings and on the right to communicate with arrest
22112-1234 dated October 3, 2011
4.   File: Directive on minimum standards for rights, protection and assistance to crime victims
22112-1235 dated October 3, 2011
5.   EU proposal: Green Paper on EU criminal law in the field of detention COM (2011) 327
EU proposal: Green Paper on EU criminal law in the field of detention COM (2011) 327
22112-1244 dated October 17, 2011
Government responds EU Green Paper detention
6.   Criminal Law in the European Union
32317-80 dated November 8, 2011
7.   Sheet: Communication working on a criminal policy of the EU
22112-1258 dated November 11, 2011
Sheet: Communication working on a criminal policy of the European Union
8.   Proposal for a directive on the right of access to legal counsel
32317-79 dated November 4, 2011


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 24, 2012, 11:27:57 PM
I think this may have to do with it too, but I'm not sure.  This talks about amendments to the bill, but I haven't found the actual bill yet.

https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen.nl/kst-32885-8.html?zoekcriteria=%3fzkt%3dEenvoudig%26pst%3d%26vrt%3d(WOTS)%26zkd%3dInDeGeheleText%26dpr%3dAfgelopenDag%26sdt%3dDatumBrief%26ap%3d%26pnr%3d1%26rpp%3d10&resultIndex=4&sorttype=1&sortorder=4


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 24, 2012, 11:56:28 PM
http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/straffen-en-maatregelen/buitenlandse-straf-overdragen-aan-nederland

Google translation:

Transferred to foreign criminal Netherlands

Several thousand Dutch get a penalty in a country other than where they come from. For them there is no assistance in returning to society. Therefore, under certain conditions, possibly to a penalty imposed by another country to perform in the Netherlands.

Conditions serve prison Netherlands

Sometimes Dutch people who have been convicted abroad (rest of) serve their sentence in the Netherlands. This is because the Netherlands participate in an international "Convention on Transfer. In the Netherlands the possibilities of this treaty provided for in the Act sentence transfer enforcement (WOTS)  . More than 60 countries have joined the treaty.

It is possible to transfer a convict to a Dutch prison as:

  • The offender a Dutchman (or an alien with a valid residence permit for the Netherlands) and in the Netherlands his permanent residence or residence;
  • Netherlands has a treaty with the country;
  • There is no appeal against the sentence (irrevocably condemned);
  • There are at least 6 months from the punishment, when punishment takes over the Netherlands;
  • The condemned a request to the country of conviction and that country submits a request to the Netherlands;
  • Both the Netherlands and the other country agree to the transfer and the way the sentence in the Netherlands will continue.

Applications for transfer to the Netherlands

If an inmate wants to serve his sentence in the Netherlands, he must submit a request to the country of conviction, to the prison where he is. A request for transfer of the criminal, both in the country of conviction in the Netherlands as assessed by various parties. Depending on the procedure may take a long time. 

Within the European Union new appointments (WETS)

To transfer penalties between countries within the European Union will soon be a new regime of power, the law on mutual recognition and enforcement-custodial sanctions and conditional (WETS) . The WETS means a change in the rules for transfer of imprisonment in relation to the WOTS . WETS also makes the transfer of service orders and suspended sentences with supervision possible.

A transfer under the new European agreements can occur only if both countries have their own national law have made. In the Netherlands, the proposal now in the House and the law will probably force mid 2012. For the moment just before the prison so WOTS funds.

Information line and BILLS WOTS

The Ministry of Security and Justice WOTS has a special information line: (088) - 07 25 963.

Documents and publications

Sentence in the Netherlands? New rules of the European Union

The rules for transfer of prisoners in EU countries to the Netherlands
Directive | 06/01/2012 | BZ
http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/straffen-en-maatregelen/documenten-en-publicaties/richtlijnen/2012/01/06/straf-uitzitten-in-nederland-nieuwe-regels-van-de-europese-unie.html

Law parole
Brochure | 09/30/2010 | VenJ
http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/straffen-en-maatregelen/documenten-en-publicaties/brochures/2010/09/30/wet-voorwaardelijke-invrijheidstelling.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2012, 12:18:19 AM
The Bristol reviews just keep on coming!  Natalee would be sooo proud of her mother.

Janet

+++++

We Offer Her Our Thanks

Beth Holloway full of courage, strength
Published: March 24, 2012 Updated: March 24, 2012 - 6:00 AM


Courageous and charitable she is, yet such compliments pale against the pure emotional strength that must be necessary for Beth Holloway to share her most personal, yet public tragedy: The death of a daughter, without the means to find her body and possibly closure; and, the inability, or seemingly unwilling behavior, of those whose who should be solving and punishing such crimes.

Holloway received a due amount of applause at the Bristol Public Library. She deserves the recognition for sharing her story – and for her efforts to help others avoid similar tragedies. She brought that work to our community with her visit Thursday, to her audience as part of the library’s 2012 Discover Series, by speaking to students at Tennessee High School, and by the stories she shared with our greater community through this newspaper’s coverage of her visit.

Unveiling and reliving personal pain for the benefit of others is tough work. Holloway did so gracefully, and we offer her our thanks.

<snipped>

http://www2.tricities.com/news/2012/mar/24/beth-holloway-full-courage-strength-ar-1789788/

s.t.


Natalee's Hero

Loving Natalee - A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


<snipped>

As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero.  Natalee writes:

A Hero is someone who puts others before himself.  He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others.  Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times.  They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals.  I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct.  Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times.  A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself.

Instantly I realize that Natalee is poignantly describing the people who have reached out to help her family get through this "tough time."  It's almost as if she is thanking everyone herself by recognizing the importance of selfless people.  And I am amazed at her profound words here.  I sit and read the entire journal ...



(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 25, 2012, 12:28:48 AM
http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/bestanden/documenten-en-publicaties/richtlijnen/2012/01/06/straf-uitzitten-in-nederland-nieuwe-regels-van-de-europese-unie/2011-informatieblad-wets-wots.pdf

Sentence in the Netherlands? New rules of the European Union

Directive | 06/01/2012 | BZ

 ::snipping2::

What will change?

Change 1 WOTS is LEGAL for European Union

In 2008, the countries of the European Union new appointments made on punishment transfer. These agreements are Netherlands inclusion in a new Act: the reciprocal recognition and enforcement deprivation of liberty and conditional sanctions (WETS). The WETS is not yet entered. This may take place in the second half of 2012. The Dutch parliament must still agree.

Change 2 New rules in the WETS

WOTS and WETS differ. These are the most important new rules:

• 'LAW' in the country where you are stuck
The country where you are stuck, you must also have a law introduced the new European agreements. If that law does not yet exist, then the WOTS. It varies by country when the law comes.

• Verdict: on or after December 5, 2011
The LAW applies only if the sentence on or after December 5, 2011 has become final. "Irrevocable" means that the procedure has been completed and that appeal is no longer possible.

For all sentences imposed before December 5, 2011 are irrevocable become subject to the WETS is not (but the WOTS).

• The foreign criminal is continued, not converted
In criminal transmission in the Netherlands can WETS foreign punishment does not convert to the Dutch penalty. So the punishment you are abroad is imposed changes in the Netherlands.

Even though the punishment exceeds what is customary in the Netherlands.

• Deadline for application processing and transfer Netherlands and the country where you are stuck must within 90 days decided on the punishment transfer. The time that needed to make complete, complete, and send keys the application is not among them in. Thus, in practice, it may be longer than 90 days before a decision is made. As start date of the 90-day period the day Netherlands the application for transfer will receive the punishment of the
country where you are stuck. The penalty transfer? It must country where you are stuck make sure you within 30 days after this decision is transferred to the Netherlands.

• Consent of the prisoner is no longer required
Usually, the country where you are convicted, the punishment transfer execute without your consent. You can post your opinion.  But the punishment transfer can also continue if you did not accept agree.

Initiative comes from the land (government), not the convicted Under the old rules had the prisoner (or his lawyer or family) take the initiative for punishment transfer. The new rules state that the country of conviction does. The land of criminal conviction is not required to request transfer. You has also not automatically entitled to. However, you can specify that you want to be eligible for transfer penalty. You should do do at the prison where you reside. Sometimes that with a form. You can also let you know through your lawyer.

Change 3 A new division: IOS
A request for transfer penalty will now contact the
Department of International Assistance in Criminal Matters of the Ministry
Security and Justice. From 1 January 2012, another Department do this. It is called: Department of International Transfer
Criminal Sentences (IOS). The IOS is part of the Custodial
Institutions (DJI). That is also part of the Ministry of Safety and Justice.

Change 4 A new phone
The WOTS information line is for prisoners, lawyers and family members who have questions about punishment transfer.
From 1 January 2012, the WOTS a new information line
phone: 088 July 25 963 (from abroad: 00 31 88 07 25 963).
The WOTS information line every day from 9.00 to 12.00.

More information

More information about WOTS and WETS is on www.rijksoverheid.nl.

There is also the article Hello WETS, day in WOTS Envoy No. 4 - 2011.

That is the leaf of Epaphras Foundation. You can find it at www.epafras.nl.
For questions about your personal situation please should contact your lawyer and the prison where residence.

This fact sheet is a publication of:
Custodial Institutions
PO Box 30132 | 2500 GC The Hague
On this sheet is not legally derived. DJI accepts no liability for errors in this data sheet.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 25, 2012, 12:40:07 AM
I can just see it now...   ::monkeydenied::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::


 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 25, 2012, 02:21:40 AM
I can just see it now...   ::monkeydenied::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::


 ::MonkeyGavel::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::monkeydenied::   ::boxingjoran::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2012, 11:37:33 AM
Peru, Netherlands Agree Extradition Treaty

THE HAGUE, 14/05/11 - The Netherlands and Peru have agreed an extradition treaty. As a result, Joran van der Sloot may be able to serve his sentence in his own country.

Foreign Minister Uri Rosenthal and his Peruvian opposite number Jose Antonio Garcia Belaunde signed a treaty on the transfer of sentenced persons and the enforcement of criminal judgments on Thursday. "The treaty allows residents of the Kingdom of the Netherlands who have been sentenced to prison by final and irrevocable judgment in Peru" to serve their sentence in the Netherlands, said Rosenthal.

Peruvians who are in prison in the Netherlands are also entitled to invoke the treaty. Both countries are under obligation to grant a detainee's request. The treaty will enter into force as soon as both parliaments have approved it.

The two ministers discussed, among other things, human rights, cooperation in efforts to stop drug trafficking, promotion of mutual investment and knowledge exchange in the areas of water management and cooperation in judicial and defence matters.

The foreign ministry says there are currently 117 Dutch nationals in Peruvian prisons. In 113 cases, they have been convicted of a drugs offence. The most well-known Dutch prisoner is Joran van der Sloot, in jail for the murder of a Peruvian girl.

Van der Sloot's case is not yet concluded. Depending on the sentence his client receives, his lawyer Maximo Altez does plan to make use of the new regulation.

http://www.nisnews.nl/public/140511_4.htm



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: wreck on March 25, 2012, 11:58:32 AM
Peru, Netherlands Agree Extradition Treaty

THE HAGUE, 14/05/11 - The Netherlands and Peru have agreed an extradition treaty. As a result, Joran van der Sloot may be able to serve his sentence in his own country.

Foreign Minister Uri Rosenthal and his Peruvian opposite number Jose Antonio Garcia Belaunde signed a treaty on the transfer of sentenced persons and the enforcement of criminal judgments on Thursday. "The treaty allows residents of the Kingdom of the Netherlands who have been sentenced to prison by final and irrevocable judgment in Peru" to serve their sentence in the Netherlands, said Rosenthal.

Peruvians who are in prison in the Netherlands are also entitled to invoke the treaty. Both countries are under obligation to grant a detainee's request. The treaty will enter into force as soon as both parliaments have approved it.

The two ministers discussed, among other things, human rights, cooperation in efforts to stop drug trafficking, promotion of mutual investment and knowledge exchange in the areas of water management and cooperation in judicial and defence matters.

The foreign ministry says there are currently 117 Dutch nationals in Peruvian prisons. In 113 cases, they have been convicted of a drugs offence. The most well-known Dutch prisoner is Joran van der Sloot, in jail for the murder of a Peruvian girl.

Van der Sloot's case is not yet concluded. Depending on the sentence his client receives, his lawyer Maximo Altez does plan to make use of the new regulation.

http://www.nisnews.nl/public/140511_4.htm



Quote
Altez hopes that his client will be convicted of 'manslaughter by violence,' carrying a jail sentence of 3 to 5 years. "If he is given a sentence of five years, I will advise him to apply for the transfer to the Netherlands. If it is longer, we must look at this again separately."

You conveniently left out the last paragraph. Joran ain't going anywhere except to the grave or The U.S. first.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 25, 2012, 02:14:45 PM
You can say that again wreck!   ::monkeywine2:: ::MonkeyDance::

If Peru has or does adopt WETS, from my understanding Joran, his family, nor his attorney can even apply for the transfer...the application would have to come from the Peruvian government.  Joran could request that to happen, BUT he would not be ENTITLED to that.

Now isn't that special?    ::rhino::

 ::boxingjoran::

And Joran is giving them plenty of time to do it, if they haven't already.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57365540-504083/joran-van-der-sloot-appeals-28-year-murder-sentence/

Even under the WOTS guidelines, all proceedings have to be complete before a transfer can even be applied for.

If you haven't read it, read this carefully...    ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12630.msg1515124#msg1515124

But as you said, he's got to face the U. S. charges first.

I don't believe that the Netherlands would even consider approving a transfer until that is all said and done.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 25, 2012, 02:23:31 PM
I thought it was interesting that the new guidelines for transfer were announced the week before Joran was sentenced in Jan 2012, and they will be in effect for all cases that are finalized after Dec. 2011.

 ::MonkeyWink::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12630.msg1515124#msg1515124

Quote
http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/bestanden/documenten-en-publicaties/richtlijnen/2012/01/06/straf-uitzitten-in-nederland-nieuwe-regels-van-de-europese-unie/2011-informatieblad-wets-wots.pdf

Sentence in the Netherlands? New rules of the European Union

Directive | 06/01/2012 | BZ

 ::snipping2::

Quote
Verdict: on or after December 5, 2011
The LAW applies only if the sentence on or after December 5, 2011 has become final. "Irrevocable" means that the procedure has been completed and that appeal is no longer possible.

 ::snipping2::



Yep, the Netherlands doesn't want him either.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::boxingjoran:: ::monkeydenied:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2012, 02:46:27 PM
Peru, Netherlands Agree Extradition Treaty

THE HAGUE, 14/05/11 - The Netherlands and Peru have agreed an extradition treaty. As a result, Joran van der Sloot may be able to serve his sentence in his own country.

Foreign Minister Uri Rosenthal and his Peruvian opposite number Jose Antonio Garcia Belaunde signed a treaty on the transfer of sentenced persons and the enforcement of criminal judgments on Thursday. "The treaty allows residents of the Kingdom of the Netherlands who have been sentenced to prison by final and irrevocable judgment in Peru" to serve their sentence in the Netherlands, said Rosenthal.

Peruvians who are in prison in the Netherlands are also entitled to invoke the treaty. Both countries are under obligation to grant a detainee's request. The treaty will enter into force as soon as both parliaments have approved it.

The two ministers discussed, among other things, human rights, cooperation in efforts to stop drug trafficking, promotion of mutual investment and knowledge exchange in the areas of water management and cooperation in judicial and defence matters.

The foreign ministry says there are currently 117 Dutch nationals in Peruvian prisons. In 113 cases, they have been convicted of a drugs offence. The most well-known Dutch prisoner is Joran van der Sloot, in jail for the murder of a Peruvian girl.

Van der Sloot's case is not yet concluded. Depending on the sentence his client receives, his lawyer Maximo Altez does plan to make use of the new regulation.

http://www.nisnews.nl/public/140511_4.htm



Quote
Altez hopes that his client will be convicted of 'manslaughter by violence,' carrying a jail sentence of 3 to 5 years. "If he is given a sentence of five years, I will advise him to apply for the transfer to the Netherlands. If it is longer, we must look at this again separately."

You conveniently left out the last paragraph. Joran ain't going anywhere except to the grave or The U.S. first.

Wreck ... I did not "conveniently" leave out anything.  To conform to forum rules ... I "snipped" the last paragraph off of the article.  One only has to click the link to read what has been "snipped".

Anyways ... the outcome will be what the outcome will be.  Until then ... considering what I have gleaned on the topic ... I SPECULATE that the monster who committed a murder beyond brutal will qualify for a transfer to the Netherlands to serve his sentence.  I could be wrong.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: wreck on March 25, 2012, 03:03:45 PM
Peru, Netherlands Agree Extradition Treaty

THE HAGUE, 14/05/11 - The Netherlands and Peru have agreed an extradition treaty. As a result, Joran van der Sloot may be able to serve his sentence in his own country.

Foreign Minister Uri Rosenthal and his Peruvian opposite number Jose Antonio Garcia Belaunde signed a treaty on the transfer of sentenced persons and the enforcement of criminal judgments on Thursday. "The treaty allows residents of the Kingdom of the Netherlands who have been sentenced to prison by final and irrevocable judgment in Peru" to serve their sentence in the Netherlands, said Rosenthal.

Peruvians who are in prison in the Netherlands are also entitled to invoke the treaty. Both countries are under obligation to grant a detainee's request. The treaty will enter into force as soon as both parliaments have approved it.

The two ministers discussed, among other things, human rights, cooperation in efforts to stop drug trafficking, promotion of mutual investment and knowledge exchange in the areas of water management and cooperation in judicial and defence matters.

The foreign ministry says there are currently 117 Dutch nationals in Peruvian prisons. In 113 cases, they have been convicted of a drugs offence. The most well-known Dutch prisoner is Joran van der Sloot, in jail for the murder of a Peruvian girl.

Van der Sloot's case is not yet concluded. Depending on the sentence his client receives, his lawyer Maximo Altez does plan to make use of the new regulation.

http://www.nisnews.nl/public/140511_4.htm



Quote
Altez hopes that his client will be convicted of 'manslaughter by violence,' carrying a jail sentence of 3 to 5 years. "If he is given a sentence of five years, I will advise him to apply for the transfer to the Netherlands. If it is longer, we must look at this again separately."

You conveniently left out the last paragraph. Joran ain't going anywhere except to the grave or The U.S. first.

Wreck ... I did not "conveniently" leave out anything.  To conform to forum rules ... I "snipped" the last paragraph off of the article.  One only has to click the link to read what has been "snipped".

Anyways ... the outcome will be what the outcome will be.  Until then ... considering what I have gleaned on the topic ... I SPECULATE that the monster who committed a murder beyond brutal will qualify for a transfer to the Netherlands to serve his sentence.  I could be wrong.

Janet

I'm starting to think you WANT him to go to the Netherlands.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2012, 03:27:17 PM

I'm starting to think you WANT him to go to the Netherlands.


Wreck ... you know that is not true.  Nevertheless ... I believe I see the writing on the wall.  I could be wrong.

Think about it.

1.  The "excessive" "perferential" privileges that Ricardo Flores shared that he has complained about since DAY ONE of Joran's incarcenation

2.  The 28 year sentence for a murder beyond brutal rather than a life sentence ... the 28 year sentence that translates into approximately nine years with reduction credits  ... the 28 year sentence that Joran's attorney refers to as a "BIG WIN".

3.  The passing of the Peru/Netherlands Transfer Agreement ... coincidence or not.

Natalee's loving stepfather want justice for Natalee with all his heart but ... he sees the writing on the wall.  Natalee's mother wants justice for her daughter with all her heart but ... see sees the writing on the wall.

Janet

+++++

NANCY GRACE
Aired February 15, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

HOLLY HUGHES, GUEST HOST: Well, Jug, let me ask you this, do you think that Joran van der Sloot will ever be arrested and brought to trial in Natalee`s case?

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPHFATHER: I`d like to hope that he would, but I doubt it. You know, I pray every night that something will happen, somebody will say something. But to be honest, Holly, there`s so many people involved in this, it was a huge cover-up from the beginning. And there are so many people protecting him that I don`t know if they`d ever bring him to trial.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html


Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 183:
Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

Natalee's handwriting on her immigration card states that the duration of her stay here would be four nights.  It has been ninety-five.  And I have painstakingly counted every one of them.

When Helen calls, I stand in a corner of the hotel room, phone to my ear, tapping my head against the wall over and over.  Tears fall hard.  "I'm done, Helen.  I'm done.  No justice for Natalee in Aruba.  I'm done."

Page 189:   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.   I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 25, 2012, 03:27:29 PM
Janet - when it came to Joran and ARUBA, I agree his family had influence and IMO he got away with Natalee's murder. 

Population Aruba: Approx 101,000 (more like 90k in 2005)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aruba
Population Netherlands now - Approx 16,783,092  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Netherlands

IMO the Sloots have no more influence in the NL than I do and zero influence in Peru  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 25, 2012, 03:31:30 PM
Janet - when it came to Joran and ARUBA, I agree his family had influence and IMO he got away with Natalee's murder.  

Population Aruba: Approx 101,000 (more like 90k in 2005)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aruba
Population Netherlands now - Approx 16,783,092  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Netherlands

IMO the Sloots have no more influence in the NL than I do and zero influence in Peru
::MonkeyCool::

BBM

ITA

MB

::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2012, 03:50:31 PM
Janet - when it came to Joran and ARUBA, I agree his family had influence and IMO he got away with Natalee's murder. 

Population Aruba: Approx 101,000 (more like 90k in 2005)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aruba
Population Netherlands now - Approx 16,783,092  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Netherlands

IMO the Sloots have no more influence in the NL than I do and zero influence in Peru   ::MonkeyCool::

Klaas ... I agree.

Nevertheless ... Joran van der Sloot has the ability to expose the sons of the elite who played a part in the happening encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 as well as ... the ability to expose the higher ups who participated in the the corrupt investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.  Then there is exposure regarding Aruba's underground economies and those involved.

I SPECULATE that there has been some  incentives provided by Aruba/Holland that have lined the pockets of those within the Peruvian Justice System ... incentives that have had the ability to pacify Joran van der Sloot while at the same time allowing a measure of justice to prevailing to appease the family of Stephany and the Pervian people.

Klaas ... as I said before ... the outcome will be what the outcome will be.  Until then ... speculating by ALL is where it is at.

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2012, 03:51:11 PM
Peruvian Justice System - Unofficial Payments

Judicial System
Individual Corruption


The Peruvian judicial system is tainted with corruption and official pressure, according to the US Department of State 2010. Similarly, Freedom House 2011 reports that corruption in the judiciary remains rampant. Also Transparency International's Global Corruption Barometer 2010 points out that the judiciary is among the most corrupt public institutions in Peru. According to the report, well over half of the surveyed households consider it as 'extremely corrupt', while more than a quarter reports having paid a bribe in 2009. Also, in the Proética Fifth National Survey on Corruption 2008, the surveyed citizens consider the judiciary to be among the most corrupt institutions in Peru.  User surveys also indicate that unofficial payments affect both the speed and the final outcome of judicial processes.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 25, 2012, 04:29:59 PM
Joran PLEAD GUILTY and was sentenced to 28 years in prison in Peru.

He spent over a year and a half in prison waiting for that trial, where he PLEAD GUILTY.

Somebody didn't pay enough I guess.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2012, 04:30:22 PM
Was Joran a Participant?

Joran van der Sloot's age implies he should never have been allowed on the premises of the Excelsior Casino.  He should never have been allowed on the premises of Carlos and Charlies'.  He should never have been allowed on the premises of the Radisson Casino.  He should never have been allowed on the premises of the Wyndham Casino.  He should never have been afforded VIP passes.  Yet he was not only given access to these establishments ... given access to unsuspecting young women ... he was allowed to drink alcohol and gamble.

Why did Casino/Club management ... Paulus van der Sloot and ... Aruban authorities turn a blind eye to the illegal activities of underage Joran van der Sloot?  Could it be that Joran was a participant ... a front ... a lure in the furthering of Aruba's underground economy?

Think about the far reaching implications for Aruba if Joran van der Sloot did some serious talking.  In other words ... does this psychopath hold the ace in the deck of cards while sitting in a Peruvian lockup?

++++++

Jossy Mansur - DANA PRETZER- July 23, 2007

Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.    I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2012, 04:45:09 PM
Was there a behind the scenes deal ... a behind the scenes deal to pacify Joran van der Sloot while at the same time attempting to appease Stephany's family and the Peruvian people who were demanding justice?  In other words it was not all about Joran.  The Peruvian Justice System was walking a fine line.

The behind the scenes deal?  The life sentence would be taken off the table in exchange for a guilty plea.  A 28 year sentence would be where it was.  A 28 year sentence that translated into approximately nine years with reduction credits.

It doesn't happen often but ... regarding this topic ... I am one with JVM.

Janet

++++++


NANCY GRACE
Joran Pleads Guilty to Murder in Peru
Aired January 11, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: ... Van Der Sloot yawning and laughing in court. What about it, Jane?

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST, "ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL": Well, I think that this was all highly orchestrated and it was a big farce, and he knew exactly what was going to happen when he walked into court. And there was some kind of behind-the-scenes deal.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/11/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 25, 2012, 07:31:06 PM
A 28 year sentence in a Peruvian prison to pacify anyone?

Ludicrous, imo

There's no guarantee that will translate to 9.

And even yet, 9 years in a Peruvian prison to pacify anyone?

Ludicrous, imo.

Can't wait for the speculation about the behind the scenes deals when Joran comes to Alabama to face his charges there.  Note sarcasm.

If the so called "sons of the elite" are so worried about what Joran could say, why was he telling his friends he may have to sell his body so he'd have money to eat before he murdered Stephany FOR HER MONEY?  Why does he have federal extortion charges against him for extorting money from Natalee's family?  AND HE COMMITTED THAT CRIME WHILE IN ARUBA.  Why did he need money there?  Didn't he have an endless line of credit in the casinos due to his secrets that could tumble the house of cards and collapse the entire underground economy?  You would think if there was so much fear of what Joran could say, and these same people are financially able to buy off the Peruvian judicial system...that Joran would have never had a need for money...he could have gambled day and night with never a worry for money!  Why did he need Terror Jaap to pay off his gambling debts in Holland?  Why was he cooking up deals to sell girls in Thailand?  He wouldn't have had a need to sell so many lies about Natalee for money over the years, he could have just threatened to tell the truth...couldn't he?  Why wouldn't he?  Afraid they'd snuff him out rather than pay? 

But they're paying now to pacify him with AT THE VERY LEAST nine years in a Peruvian prison?

Once again, ludicrous IMO.

Inflammatory speculation, that's all it is imo.

Joran told part of the truth in the Range Rover, enough for most to know what happened to Natalee.  Most that were left with a doubt after that, saw the light when he brutally beat and strangled Stephany to death, and purposely left her to decompose while he fled the country.  And don't forget all the conspiracy theories the same people who lied about Natalee tried to put out after that! 

It didn't work.

Joran plead guilty to save himself from a life sentence.

He was sentenced to 28 of a possible 30 years in prison.

Although the lower charge was in place, if Joran hadn't pleaded guilty...if the trial had proceeded...as the facts were presented; the charge and possible resulting sentence could have changed.  He could have faced a life sentence after all.  He (and his attorney imo) knew that just might happen, and he didn't want to take that chance.

It's as simple as that.

JMHO



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 25, 2012, 08:05:11 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Mother (32) of two young children (8 and 5 years old) attacked with acid, in critical condition; transported to Colombia for treatment.  If I understand correctly, the acid was thrown in her face.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/44998-mama-di-dos-yiu-gravemente-herida-manda-urgente-colombia-despues-di-wordo-ataka-cu-acido

Papiamentu translation:

mother of two child gravemente injury send urgente colombia after of wordo access cu acido

sunday, 25 march 2012 15:20

one mother of two child is core risico of lose his tell y stay for remainder of his life afecta. past owing to wordo access for one pareha just at entrance of his apartment at tanki leendert. the caso here owing to sosode diadomingo marduga.

the lady that have two child younger of edad owing to go one party of trabao. the is work at one supermercado chinese big situa at eagle. hour past owing to arrive cas past owing to wordo sorprendi for two person. they owing to atake. seems cu the not owing to wordo steal. at first instant owing to being menciona cu past owing to wordo atraka but seems cu this do not the caso. the pareha cu owing to come was more bien for comete one atake on dje. the is show cu is problem they owing to come atende cune. hour cu they owing to end of haci the atake on they victima cu acido etc owing to huy. the victima owing to stay injury gravemente y was ask help. his casa owing to leave see what was pasando y beat alarma close bisiñanan. owing to cuminsa pour water for alivia the victima y eynan end can owing to see cu his cabey etc owing to cuminsa cay. cu urgencia owing to go cune hospital where owing to cuminsa atende cune for her kemaduranan earnest cu the was have. mirando the situation critico owing to propone for hibe at once cu air ambulance for colombia. diadomingo in careda of 3or was have already end one air ambulance at aruba for so take away the victima colombia. do not conoce if past owing to menciona name of he y the muher cu was keep on dje at home y comete the acto earnest here. of police self not owing to hear nothing oficial. all thing can owing to confirma is cue victima have one edad of alrededor of 32 year y have yiunan of 8 y 5 year of edad. pertenencianan cu is uniforma. telephone key etc of the victima owing to stay throw near of his car in scuridad.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.maart.25.victima_acido.front.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 25, 2012, 08:08:19 PM
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback, and see all kinds of things in retrospect to fit one's agenda.  All these old articles posted over and over do nothing to convince me or sway me to your point of view, Janet.  (The same with the posts about the Betrayal as you call it.)  Your POV is obvious.

If Joran had any "friends" in high places in Peru, they are long gone, as it is obvious from reports coming out of Peru, that Joran is very unhappy in his current diggs.  His "friends" in high places in Aruba and the NL (if there ever were any in the NL) seem to have no influence on his situation in Peru, either.

Joran plead guilty to avoid a trial where he could have been given a harsher sentence.  Finito.  He was caught with his hand in the cookie jar and had no way out.  He was given a 2 year latitude for the time he already served, and then received the harshest sentence possible in Peru's judicial system. FACT.

Joran is not a privileged character.  He may have been in Aruba when he got away with Natalee's murder b/c his Daddy helped him and Daddy knew the right people in a government concerned first and foremost with protecting it's own image.

Joran is persona non grata in Aruba and the NL.  The citizens and gov'ts of those 2 countries have made that very clear.  Even his own Mother has distanced herself.

Joran is not a privileged character in Peru either.  He was/is an international murderer, and had Interpol after him. Peru had no choice but to treat him with "white" gloves as this was an international case of notoriety; the world was watching, and he had not had his day in court yet.  The day he was convicted whatever perks he may or may not have had came crashing to an end, as he was transferred on the very day of sentencing.  However he achieved those perks, is now moot, b/c they no longer exist.

Joran is unhappy.  I imagine he is even more unhappy now that he has been moved out of his protective isolation.

Joran is in a harsh prison in PERU, where 1 day in prison can be or end a lifetime.

I'm not going to spend any time wondering about Joran's future.  He didn't worry about Natalee's, Stephany's or any of their loved ones' futures.  Why spend any time thinking about his future?

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 25, 2012, 08:16:05 PM
A 28 year sentence in a Peruvian prison to pacify anyone?

Ludicrous, imo

There's no guarantee that will translate to 9.

And even yet, 9 years in a Peruvian prison to pacify anyone?

Ludicrous, imo.

Can't wait for the speculation about the behind the scenes deals when Joran comes to Alabama to face his charges there.  Note sarcasm.

If the so called "sons of the elite" are so worried about what Joran could say, why was he telling his friends he may have to sell his body so he'd have money to eat before he murdered Stephany FOR HER MONEY?  Why does he have federal extortion charges against him for extorting money from Natalee's family?  AND HE COMMITTED THAT CRIME WHILE IN ARUBA.  Why did he need money there?  Didn't he have an endless line of credit in the casinos due to his secrets that could tumble the house of cards and collapse the entire underground economy?  You would think if there was so much fear of what Joran could say, and these same people are financially able to buy off the Peruvian judicial system...that Joran would have never had a need for money...he could have gambled day and night with never a worry for money!  Why did he need Terror Jaap to pay off his gambling debts in Holland?  Why was he cooking up deals to sell girls in Thailand?  He wouldn't have had a need to sell so many lies about Natalee for money over the years, he could have just threatened to tell the truth...couldn't he?  Why wouldn't he?  Afraid they'd snuff him out rather than pay? 

But they're paying now to pacify him with AT THE VERY LEAST nine years in a Peruvian prison?

Once again, ludicrous IMO.

Inflammatory speculation, that's all it is imo.

Joran told part of the truth in the Range Rover, enough for most to know what happened to Natalee.  Most that were left with a doubt after that, saw the light when he brutally beat and strangled Stephany to death, and purposely left her to decompose while he fled the country.  And don't forget all the conspiracy theories the same people who lied about Natalee tried to put out after that! 

It didn't work.

Joran plead guilty to save himself from a life sentence.

He was sentenced to 28 of a possible 30 years in prison.

Although the lower charge was in place, if Joran hadn't pleaded guilty...if the trial had proceeded...as the facts were presented; the charge and possible resulting sentence could have changed.  He could have faced a life sentence after all.  He (and his attorney imo) knew that just might happen, and he didn't want to take that chance.

It's as simple as that.

JMHO



ITA!  Very well stated Texasmom!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2012, 08:33:32 PM
Was there behind the scenes negotiations with a corrupt Peruvian Justice System ... a behind the scenes negotiations that lined that pockets of the Peruvian prosecutor and the panel of judges ... a behind the scenes negotiations to pacify Joran van der Sloot while at the same time attempting to appease Stephany's family and the Peruvian people who were demanding justice?  In other words the entire process was all a dog and pony show.  IMO

Negotiated Outcomes?

1.  Joran would be afforded "excessive" "preferential" privileges while in the Peruvian lockup.

2.  A life sentence would be taken off the table in exchange for a guilty plea.  A maximum 30 year sentence would be where it was.  A maxiumum 30 year sentence that translated into maximum 10 year sentence when reduction credits were applied.

3.  In time ... a transfer to the Netherlands.

TWO DOWN; ONE TO GO!

+++++++

Excessive Privileges

Saturday, January 14, 2012
Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years

 
"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cell phone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017229687.html
 

30 Year Sentence - Joran's Attorney: A Big Win!

Date set for van der Sloot murder trial
Published: 11/25/2011 9:44 am
Updated: 11/26/2011 8:25 am


<snipped>

In September, the victim's family asked a three-judge panel for a more stringent charge akin to aggravated murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison, but the panel of judges ruled on the prosecution's side.

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro told CNN'S In Session this was a big win for his client.  If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Date-set-for-van-der-Sloot-murder-trial/J1Yl6nagmkmRXf0qcfRMXA.cspx



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2012, 08:35:03 PM
Peruvian Justice System - Unofficial Payments

Judicial System
Individual Corruption


The Peruvian judicial system is tainted with corruption and official pressure, according to the US Department of State 2010. Similarly, Freedom House 2011 reports that corruption in the judiciary remains rampant. Also Transparency International's Global Corruption Barometer 2010 points out that the judiciary is among the most corrupt public institutions in Peru. According to the report, well over half of the surveyed households consider it as 'extremely corrupt', while more than a quarter reports having paid a bribe in 2009. Also, in the Proética Fifth National Survey on Corruption 2008, the surveyed citizens consider the judiciary to be among the most corrupt institutions in Peru.  User surveys also indicate that unofficial payments affect both the speed and the final outcome of judicial processes.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2012, 08:39:40 PM


Reminder

THE PERISTENCE BETRAYAL

I suspect that CapsLockWizard's January 18, 2008 arrival on the SM Natalee Holloway forum was meant to distract attention away from the Persistent find onto the pond search.  Then when  Kyle Kingman/Ocean Exploration began posting details encompassing the Persistence find ... details that revealed the contents of the trap had been retrieved unchallenged by the Aruban enemy ... the Aruban enemy who had prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005 ... the four headed CapsLockWizard went into damage control distractions with theories that went beyond the pond.

Janet

+++++


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »


<snipped>

We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.  The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857;topicseen#msg366857

s.t.


The games people play!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2012, 08:50:26 PM
Reminder

THE PERSISTENCE BETRAYAL


CapsLockWizard was a nic used by four deceivers who had an agenda ... an agenda to distract attention away from the trap discovered by John Silvetti's Persistence endeavor ... the trap that may have contained Natalee Holloway's remains ... the trap that was afforded unchallenged to those who were involved in the corrupt investigation that prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005.

Nine days following "Caps" first post on the SM forum ... I sensed that somethng was hinky.  Posts were articulated in both perfect and broken English.  In other words ... it was obvious to me that more than one individual was posting under the nic CapsLockWizard.

Read the following Capslockwizard posts.  What a difference a day makes.

Janet

++++


CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #139 on: January 26, 2008, 06:05:40 PM »


Good day All Monkeys

My eye are tired, brain cells are all on fire, excuse me for sometimes for posting typing errors or not perfect grammer, while trying to solve the riddle. My brain cell + 4 Computers are thinking in all possible scenarios, Current events, Political Events, Time Lines etc at the same time tried to ask questions, type, Decode, reassemble, re-analysis and reading information written from diffrent source of document written in 4 diffrent languages (DUTCH, PAPIAMENTO, SPANISH, ENGLISH can makes for these errors.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg332565;topicseen#msg332565


CapsLockWizard
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #384 on: January 27, 2008, 02:51:39 PM »


need to know 2 things

Did Natalee travel somewhere before he come to Aruba

and

and the parents tree   Natalee is the doughter of  -----  and --------- etc.

I know that probably Dave Holloway has notting to do with this Case but the Twitty

Wat is twitty to natalee?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg332978#msg332978


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #438 on: January 27, 2008, 05:52:50 PM »


San ... I will respectfully bow out for now.  I am very upset.

Caps may or may not have a firm grasp of the English language but ... he/she comes across loud and clear regarding his/her agenda in regards to Natalee Holloways' stepfather.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.420


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 25, 2012, 09:17:04 PM
LOL.....no rules for beating an already dead horse.....just scroll past the carcass?


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Post by: MuffyBee on March 25, 2012, 09:48:57 PM
LOL.....no rules for beating an already dead horse.....just scroll past the carcass?


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Yeah, scrolling works.   ::MonkeyWink::  ::bee::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 25, 2012, 10:49:41 PM
LOL.....no rules for beating an already dead horse.....just scroll past the carcass?


(http://bestsmileys.com/oneofakind/1.gif)

Yeah, scrolling works.   ::MonkeyWink::  ::bee::





I love this.......(http://bestsmileys.com/oneofakind/1.gif)

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 25, 2012, 10:52:23 PM
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback, and see all kinds of things in retrospect to fit one's agenda.  All these old articles posted over and over do nothing to convince me or sway me to your point of view, Janet.  (The same with the posts about the Betrayal as you call it.)  Your POV is obvious.

If Joran had any "friends" in high places in Peru, they are long gone, as it is obvious from reports coming out of Peru, that Joran is very unhappy in his current diggs.  His "friends" in high places in Aruba and the NL (if there ever were any in the NL) seem to have no influence on his situation in Peru, either.

Joran plead guilty to avoid a trial where he could have been given a harsher sentence.  Finito.  He was caught with his hand in the cookie jar and had no way out.  He was given a 2 year latitude for the time he already served, and then received the harshest sentence possible in Peru's judicial system. FACT.

Joran is not a privileged character.  He may have been in Aruba when he got away with Natalee's murder b/c his Daddy helped him and Daddy knew the right people in a government concerned first and foremost with protecting it's own image.

Joran is persona non grata in Aruba and the NL.  The citizens and gov'ts of those 2 countries have made that very clear.  Even his own Mother has distanced herself.

Joran is not a privileged character in Peru either.  He was/is an international murderer, and had Interpol after him. Peru had no choice but to treat him with "white" gloves as this was an international case of notoriety; the world was watching, and he had not had his day in court yet.  The day he was convicted whatever perks he may or may not have had came crashing to an end, as he was transferred on the very day of sentencing.  However he achieved those perks, is now moot, b/c they no longer exist.

Joran is unhappy.  I imagine he is even more unhappy now that he has been moved out of his protective isolation.

Joran is in a harsh prison in PERU, where 1 day in prison can be or end a lifetime.

I'm not going to spend any time wondering about Joran's future.  He didn't worry about Natalee's, Stephany's or any of their loved ones' futures.  Why spend any time thinking about his future?

jmo


Thank you jamcakes!   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: nonesuche on March 25, 2012, 11:14:22 PM
Hi All  ::MonkeyBike::

Janet - I understand your outrage, I think all of us can. Prison sentences are far shorter so much more often in today's society...........at least in non-third-world countries.

I recently met someone whose husband is in prison for manslaughter, he was very young and was at a family party drinking, his cousin approached him with a knife in hand and lunged at him, he pushed him back and he fell on the knife and died. Even though he thought he was doing the right thing by pushing his cousin away, the court determined he was "fighting back" which resulted in his cousin's death.

According to his wife the hardest thing about prison life is the riots, the in-fighting. He was stabbed over 30 times in a small prison riot, simply because he was trying to protect a younger inmate.

I've never known anyone who had this type of experience, that I could actually ask questions regarding and their candid feedback.

I think chance is equal that Joran will not live long in that peruvian prison. Either his arrogance will anger the wrong person or someone will enjoy exacting vengeance against him for the brutal murder of one of their native daughters.

I truly do think that will be the outcome.

How is Anita? Still hale and hearty raising her boys in their family home?

The world is so unfair at times........

Take care monkeys !


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 25, 2012, 11:33:13 PM
Hi Nonesuche, great to see you!   ::MonkeyKiss::

If you only knew.  You'd have to be here a lot more than I know time allows.

But it's always great when you are here.

Take care!   (((HUGS)))

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Anna on March 25, 2012, 11:42:08 PM
Janet - when it came to Joran and ARUBA, I agree his family had influence and IMO he got away with Natalee's murder. 

Population Aruba: Approx 101,000 (more like 90k in 2005)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aruba
Population Netherlands now - Approx 16,783,092  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Netherlands

IMO the Sloots have no more influence in the NL than I do and zero influence in Peru  ::MonkeyCool::


The Netherlands?  That's the place they were chasing Joran in the streets like a lynch mob after his Rover confession and he had to leave and couldn't even finish his school year.

I always wished a couple of those big Dutchie biker types had caught him.   ::MonkeyDevil::

But that's just me. . . .

Certainly after that confession aired, Joran has made himself very scarce there.

As for Peru, well that prison where he is now was the feature of a Nationa Geographic special on the world's toughest prisons.  'Nuff said on that.

Except that winter is approaching and there is no heat there.  Gonna be a little harsh on an island boy.

 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: wreck on March 25, 2012, 11:54:52 PM
Thank-you. I guess for all of us here that have been here from day one --- It upsets me that one opinion (totally against everyone else's) is continually pressed as "fact". I certainly respect differing opinions from mine ... but I do not appreciate opinions being constantly re-stated over and over when there is never a rational rebuttal. Time and time again, many of us state our opinions why an argument is invalid . Instead of a healthy argument, we get a regurgitation of statements from 7 years ago. Nothing is ever in context. I'm tired of arguing -- it is not productive in finding Natalee. - JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 26, 2012, 12:22:11 AM



Except that winter is approaching and there is no heat there.  Gonna be a little harsh on an island boy.

 ::monkeywine2::


Yes, perhaps Mary will send him some dry shampoo so he doesn't catch a cold.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 26, 2012, 12:25:33 AM
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback, and see all kinds of things in retrospect to fit one's agenda.  All these old articles posted over and over do nothing to convince me or sway me to your point of view, Janet.  (The same with the posts about the Betrayal as you call it.)  Your POV is obvious.

If Joran had any "friends" in high places in Peru, they are long gone, as it is obvious from reports coming out of Peru, that Joran is very unhappy in his current diggs.  His "friends" in high places in Aruba and the NL (if there ever were any in the NL) seem to have no influence on his situation in Peru, either.

Joran plead guilty to avoid a trial where he could have been given a harsher sentence.  Finito.  He was caught with his hand in the cookie jar and had no way out.  He was given a 2 year latitude for the time he already served, and then received the harshest sentence possible in Peru's judicial system. FACT.

Joran is not a privileged character.  He may have been in Aruba when he got away with Natalee's murder b/c his Daddy helped him and Daddy knew the right people in a government concerned first and foremost with protecting it's own image.

Joran is persona non grata in Aruba and the NL.  The citizens and gov'ts of those 2 countries have made that very clear.  Even his own Mother has distanced herself.

Joran is not a privileged character in Peru either.  He was/is an international murderer, and had Interpol after him. Peru had no choice but to treat him with "white" gloves as this was an international case of notoriety; the world was watching, and he had not had his day in court yet.  The day he was convicted whatever perks he may or may not have had came crashing to an end, as he was transferred on the very day of sentencing.  However he achieved those perks, is now moot, b/c they no longer exist.

Joran is unhappy.  I imagine he is even more unhappy now that he has been moved out of his protective isolation.

Joran is in a harsh prison in PERU, where 1 day in prison can be or end a lifetime.

I'm not going to spend any time wondering about Joran's future.  He didn't worry about Natalee's, Stephany's or any of their loved ones' futures.  Why spend any time thinking about his future?

jmo


Thank you jamcakes!   ::rhino::



Amen  ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 26, 2012, 01:17:21 AM
Thank-you. I guess for all of us here that have been here from day one --- It upsets me that one opinion (totally against everyone else's) is continually pressed as "fact". I certainly respect differing opinions from mine ... but I do not appreciate opinions being constantly re-stated over and over when there is never a rational rebuttal. Time and time again, many of us state our opinions why an argument is invalid . Instead of a healthy argument, we get a regurgitation of statements from 7 years ago. Nothing is ever in context. I'm tired of arguing -- it is not productive in finding Natalee. - JMO

I totally agree, Wreck.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 26, 2012, 01:46:41 AM
Thank-you. I guess for all of us here that have been here from day one --- It upsets me that one opinion (totally against everyone else's) is continually pressed as "fact". I certainly respect differing opinions from mine ... but I do not appreciate opinions being constantly re-stated over and over when there is never a rational rebuttal. Time and time again, many of us state our opinions why an argument is invalid . Instead of a healthy argument, we get a regurgitation of statements from 7 years ago. Nothing is ever in context. I'm tired of arguing -- it is not productive in finding Natalee. - JMO

I totally agree wreck. 

How about that regurgitated "reminder" that seemingly "toots their own horn" about CLW? 

What did that have to do with anything in the discussion today?

Nothing at all, imo.

So out come the over four year old canned quotes.

Sooooo they had CLW all figured out all by themselves? 

Seriously?

OR could it be...

Oh well, I won't go there.

I will just continue to have faith, that those that need to see; eventually will see.

http://bible.cc/luke/8-17.htm

After all, it's not about them or us, it's ALL about Natalee.

And we're still here.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 26, 2012, 01:50:35 AM
Janet - when it came to Joran and ARUBA, I agree his family had influence and IMO he got away with Natalee's murder. 

Population Aruba: Approx 101,000 (more like 90k in 2005)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aruba
Population Netherlands now - Approx 16,783,092  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Netherlands

IMO the Sloots have no more influence in the NL than I do and zero influence in Peru  ::MonkeyCool::


The Netherlands?  That's the place they were chasing Joran in the streets like a lynch mob after his Rover confession and he had to leave and couldn't even finish his school year.

I always wished a couple of those big Dutchie biker types had caught him.   ::MonkeyDevil::

But that's just me. . . .

Certainly after that confession aired, Joran has made himself very scarce there.

As for Peru, well that prison where he is now was the feature of a Nationa Geographic special on the world's toughest prisons.  'Nuff said on that.

Except that winter is approaching and there is no heat there.  Gonna be a little harsh on an island boy.

 ::monkeywine2::

 ::monkeywine2:: ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 26, 2012, 01:52:12 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 26, 2012, 02:36:54 AM
Was there behind the scenes negotiations with a corrupt Peruvian Justice System ... a behind the scenes negotiations that lined that pockets of the Peruvian prosecutor and the panel of judges ... a behind the scenes negotiations to pacify Joran van der Sloot while at the same time attempting to appease Stephany's family and the Peruvian people who were demanding justice?  In other words the entire process was all a dog and pony show.  IMO

I am appalled by the patent absurdity of the insinuation that 3 women judges in Peru who have achieved the pinnacle of success and respect in their chosen professions would suddenly become reprobate to appease Joran van der Sloot.  I am further outraged by the suggestion that the Father of the murdered victim would suborn his own daughter to appease Joran van der Sloot.  It is sheer lunacy to suggest that anyone remotely connected to or having to deal with JvdS’s case has suddenly become base, and a party to a “dog and pony show” all to the benefit of one person, Joran van der Sloot. 

This assault on my intelligence is worse than any of the propaganda that came out of Aruba.  The very irrationality of it suggests the need for a thorough psychiatric examination.  jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 26, 2012, 02:43:14 AM

As for Peru, well that prison where he is now was the feature of a Nationa Geographic special on the world's toughest prisons.  'Nuff said on that.

Except that winter is approaching and there is no heat there.  Gonna be a little harsh on an island boy.

 ::monkeywine2::

Joran now has his roommate BubbaZito to snuggle with to keep him warm.    ::MonkeyJnBox::

 ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 26, 2012, 02:04:48 PM
Was there behind the scenes negotiations with a corrupt Peruvian Justice System ... a behind the scenes negotiations that lined that pockets of the Peruvian prosecutor and the panel of judges ... a behind the scenes negotiations to pacify Joran van der Sloot while at the same time attempting to appease Stephany's family and the Peruvian people who were demanding justice?  In other words the entire process was all a dog and pony show.  IMO

I am appalled by the patent absurdity of the insinuation that 3 women judges in Peru who have achieved the pinnacle of success and respect in their chosen professions would suddenly become reprobate to appease Joran van der Sloot.  I am further outraged by the suggestion that the Father of the murdered victim would suborn his own daughter to appease Joran van der Sloot.  It is sheer lunacy to suggest that anyone remotely connected to or having to deal with JvdS’s case has suddenly become base, and a party to a “dog and pony show” all to the benefit of one person, Joran van der Sloot. 

This assault on my intelligence is worse than any of the propaganda that came out of Aruba.  The very irrationality of it suggests the need for a thorough psychiatric examination.  jmo

AT NO TIME have I ever undermine ANY member of Stephany Flores' family.  I support Richard Flores in his outrage regarding the excessive privileges that Joran van der Sloot has received in the Peruvian lockup from the getgo and ... I support the family's contention that Prosecutor's charges ... charges upheld by the panel of judges  ... should have carried a life sentence ... not a 30 year sentence that translates into less than ten years with reduction credits.

Janet

+++++

Richard Flores - Excessive Privileges

Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST

 
After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

<snipped>

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/13/van-der-sloot-gets-28-years-for-murder-in-peru.html


Saturday, January 14, 2012
Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years

 
"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

<snipped>

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017229687.html


The Flores' Family - The Charge

Peru to beef up Joran van der Sloot charges
Published on 17 September 2011 - 3:38pm


At the first public hearing, on 12 September 2011, Mr Van der Sloot was charged with murder and robbery. The Public Prosecutor called for a 30-year jail sentence and damages of 50,000 euros.

The lawyer for the victim’s family said the charges should not be “murder followed by robbery” but “robbery followed by murder”, which carries a life sentence. He also rejected the 50,000 euro compensation as insufficient.

The judge hearing the case has instructed the Public Prosecutor to reformulate the charges, which will delay the trial.

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/peru-beef-joran-van-der-sloot-charges


Date set for van der Sloot murder trial
Published: 11/25/2011 9:44 am
Updated: 11/26/2011 8:25 am


In September, the victim's family asked a three-judge panel for a more stringent charge akin to aggravated murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison, but the panel of judges ruled on the prosecution's side.

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro told CNN'S In Session this was a big win for his client.  If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Date-set-for-van-der-Sloot-murder-trial/J1Yl6nagmkmRXf0qcfRMXA.cspx
 
 
Flores, Holloway families await van der Sloot's trial
1/13/2012


Stephany Flores’ family is still holding out hope they can convince the court to increase the charges to include a possible life sentence. Stephany’s father, Ricardo Flores, claims Van der Sloot has lived “like a king” while the Flores family mourns.

Prosecutor Miriam Castellares is asking for 30 years in prison, on charges of murder and simple theft; however, Flores’ family is asking the public prosecutor to amend the charges to “robbery followed by murder.”

According to Edwar Alvarez, the Flores family’s lawyer, with different charges Van der Sloot could receive life imprisonment.

"We aim to present evidence during the trial that will lead the prosecutor to change the classification of the crime, so that it becomes robbery followed by murder. This will not be 30 years in prison, but life imprisonment,” he told the Lima newspaper El Comercio.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Flores-Holloway-families-await-van-der-Sloots/KxiEyoDHDEypHoVG4yN6Sw.cspx

yw


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 26, 2012, 02:17:09 PM
Was there behind the scenes negotiations with a corrupt Peruvian Justice System ... a behind the scenes negotiations that lined that pockets of the Peruvian prosecutor and the panel of judges ... a behind the scenes negotiations to pacify Joran van der Sloot while at the same time attempting to appease Stephany's family and the Peruvian people who were demanding justice?  In other words the entire process was all a dog and pony show.  IMO

I am appalled by the patent absurdity of the insinuation that 3 women judges in Peru who have achieved the pinnacle of success and respect in their chosen professions would suddenly become reprobate to appease Joran van der Sloot.   I am further outraged by the suggestion that the Father of the murdered victim would suborn his own daughter to appease Joran van der Sloot.  It is sheer lunacy to suggest that anyone remotely connected to or having to deal with JvdS’s case has suddenly become base, and a party to a “dog and pony show” all to the benefit of one person, Joran van der Sloot. 

This assault on my intelligence is worse than any of the propaganda that came out of Aruba.  The very irrationality of it suggests the need for a thorough psychiatric examination.  jmo


Peruvian Justice System - Unofficial Payments

Judicial System
Individual Corruption


The Peruvian judicial system is tainted with corruption and official pressure, according to the US Department of State 2010. Similarly, Freedom House 2011 reports that corruption in the judiciary remains rampant. Also Transparency International's Global Corruption Barometer 2010 points out that the judiciary is among the most corrupt public institutions in Peru. According to the report, well over half of the surveyed households consider it as 'extremely corrupt', while more than a quarter reports having paid a bribe in 2009. Also, in the Proética Fifth National Survey on Corruption 2008, the surveyed citizens consider the judiciary to be among the most corrupt institutions in Peru.  User surveys also indicate that unofficial payments affect both the speed and the final outcome of judicial processes.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 26, 2012, 03:26:32 PM
Was there behind the scenes negotiations with a corrupt Peruvian Justice System ... a behind the scenes negotiations that lined that pockets of the Peruvian prosecutor and the panel of judges ... a behind the scenes negotiations to pacify Joran van der Sloot while at the same time attempting to appease Stephany's family and the Peruvian people who were demanding justice?  In other words the entire process was all a dog and pony show.  IMO

I am appalled by the patent absurdity of the insinuation that 3 women judges in Peru who have achieved the pinnacle of success and respect in their chosen professions would suddenly become reprobate to appease Joran van der Sloot.  I am further outraged by the suggestion that the Father of the murdered victim would suborn his own daughter to appease Joran van der Sloot.  It is sheer lunacy to suggest that anyone remotely connected to or having to deal with JvdS’s case has suddenly become base, and a party to a “dog and pony show” all to the benefit of one person, Joran van der Sloot. 

This assault on my intelligence is worse than any of the propaganda that came out of Aruba.  The very irrationality of it suggests the need for a thorough psychiatric examination.  jmo


If there were any negotiations between Aruba/Holland and a corrupt Peruvian Judicial to appease Joran van der Sloot and shield him from the full consequences pertaining to the murder beyond brutal of Stephany Flores ... it has everything to do with preventing the Aruban/Dutch house of cards built around the Natalee Holloway case from collapsing.  In other words ... Joran is sitting in that Peruvian lockup holding the ace in the deck of cards.  He has knowledge pertaining to the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30th and those involved as well ... he has knowledge pertaining to those higher up who prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.  Could it be that it is all documented?

The negotiated outcome has spared Joran from being held fully accountable while at the same time the outcome has somewhat appeased Stephany Flores' family and the Peruivian people by afforded a measure of justice for Stephany.  In other words ... it was a blancing act.

Most important ... as far as Aruba/Holland are concerned ... the negotiated outcome has afforded more time prior to the house of cards built around the Natalee Holloway case from collapsing.

IMO

Janet

++++++


San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #841 6/22/10 -
« Reply #1553 on: June 26, 2010, 12:47:13 AM »


I just have a feeling something even bigger is going to happen.  I have a feeling that Joran is going to throw people under the bus and start naming names.  Joran is mad and he will turn his anger towards Aruba for not helping him.  Everyone get ready to run.

People like:

Van der Straaten
Rudy Croes
Nelson Oduber
Karin Jannsen
Rick Smid
Bob Witt
Ben King
Michael Posner
Julia Renfro

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8145.msg1170391#msg1170391



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 26, 2012, 04:21:03 PM
Hi All  ::MonkeyBike::

Janet - I understand your outrage, I think all of us can. Prison sentences are far shorter so much more often in today's society...........at least in non-third-world countries.

I recently met someone whose husband is in prison for manslaughter, he was very young and was at a family party drinking, his cousin approached him with a knife in hand and lunged at him, he pushed him back and he fell on the knife and died. Even though he thought he was doing the right thing by pushing his cousin away, the court determined he was "fighting back" which resulted in his cousin's death.

According to his wife the hardest thing about prison life is the riots, the in-fighting. He was stabbed over 30 times in a small prison riot, simply because he was trying to protect a younger inmate.

I've never known anyone who had this type of experience, that I could actually ask questions regarding and their candid feedback.

I think chance is equal that Joran will not live long in that peruvian prison. Either his arrogance will anger the wrong person or someone will enjoy exacting vengeance against him for the brutal murder of one of their native daughters.

I truly do think that will be the outcome.

How is Anita? Still hale and hearty raising her boys in their family home?

The world is so unfair at times........

Take care monkeys !

Hi None

Thanks!  I also do not believe that Joran has long on this earth.  He does not know how to keep his mouth closed.  Those higher ups who participated in the agenda to prevent justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway must be walking on eggshells not knowing the moment when the truth will emerge out of Joran's lying lips.  He has got to go!  IMO

Are you and daughter busy making Easter cookies?  My 10 year old granddaughter baked cookies with "other" grandma this past weekend.  Considering bought cookies is where it is at in this household ... I cannot compete in that category.  However ... on Thursday a trip to the mall to shop for a new Easter outfit for Miss Muffet is where it is at.  Walmart does not suffice anymore for this little young.

None ... I hope all is well.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 26, 2012, 11:23:49 PM
The Bristol reviews just keep on coming!  Natalee would be sooo proud of her mother.

Janet

+++++

We Offer Her Our Thanks

Beth Holloway full of courage, strength
Published: March 24, 2012 Updated: March 24, 2012 - 6:00 AM


Courageous and charitable she is, yet such compliments pale against the pure emotional strength that must be necessary for Beth Holloway to share her most personal, yet public tragedy: The death of a daughter, without the means to find her body and possibly closure; and, the inability, or seemingly unwilling behavior, of those whose who should be solving and punishing such crimes.

Holloway received a due amount of applause at the Bristol Public Library. She deserves the recognition for sharing her story – and for her efforts to help others avoid similar tragedies. She brought that work to our community with her visit Thursday, to her audience as part of the library’s 2012 Discover Series, by speaking to students at Tennessee High School, and by the stories she shared with our greater community through this newspaper’s coverage of her visit.

Unveiling and reliving personal pain for the benefit of others is tough work. Holloway did so gracefully, and we offer her our thanks.

<snipped>

http://www2.tricities.com/news/2012/mar/24/beth-holloway-full-courage-strength-ar-1789788/

s.t.


Natalee's Hero

Loving Natalee - A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


<snipped>

As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero.  Natalee writes:

A Hero is someone who puts others before himself.  He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others.  Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times.  They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals.  I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct.  Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times.  A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself.

Instantly I realize that Natalee is poignantly describing the people who have reached out to help her family get through this "tough time."  It's almost as if she is thanking everyone herself by recognizing the importance of selfless people.  And I am amazed at her profound words here.  I sit and read the entire journal ...



(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)



CBB ... you have been missing for a while.  I hope all is good?

Did you make it to Beth's Bristol speaking engagement.  If so ... an update would be appreciated.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 26, 2012, 11:53:40 PM
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Mother (32) of two young children (8 and 5 years old) attacked with acid, in critical condition; transported to Colombia for treatment.  If I understand correctly, the acid was thrown in her face.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/44998-mama-di-dos-yiu-gravemente-herida-manda-urgente-colombia-despues-di-wordo-ataka-cu-acido

Papiamentu translation:

mother of two child gravemente injury send urgente colombia after of wordo access cu acido

sunday, 25 march 2012 15:20

one mother of two child is core risico of lose his tell y stay for remainder of his life afecta. past owing to wordo access for one pareha just at entrance of his apartment at tanki leendert. the caso here owing to sosode diadomingo marduga.

the lady that have two child younger of edad owing to go one party of trabao. the is work at one supermercado chinese big situa at eagle. hour past owing to arrive cas past owing to wordo sorprendi for two person. they owing to atake. seems cu the not owing to wordo steal. at first instant owing to being menciona cu past owing to wordo atraka but seems cu this do not the caso. the pareha cu owing to come was more bien for comete one atake on dje. the is show cu is problem they owing to come atende cune. hour cu they owing to end of haci the atake on they victima cu acido etc owing to huy. the victima owing to stay injury gravemente y was ask help. his casa owing to leave see what was pasando y beat alarma close bisiñanan. owing to cuminsa pour water for alivia the victima y eynan end can owing to see cu his cabey etc owing to cuminsa cay. cu urgencia owing to go cune hospital where owing to cuminsa atende cune for her kemaduranan earnest cu the was have. mirando the situation critico owing to propone for hibe at once cu air ambulance for colombia. diadomingo in careda of 3or was have already end one air ambulance at aruba for so take away the victima colombia. do not conoce if past owing to menciona name of he y the muher cu was keep on dje at home y comete the acto earnest here. of police self not owing to hear nothing oficial. all thing can owing to confirma is cue victima have one edad of alrededor of 32 year y have yiunan of 8 y 5 year of edad. pertenencianan cu is uniforma. telephone key etc of the victima owing to stay throw near of his car in scuridad.

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2012.maart.25.victima_acido.front.JPG)

http://www.arubaherald.com/local/2210-woman-doused-with-acid-transported-to-colombia-for-medical-assistance.html

Woman doused with acid transported to Colombia for medical assistance         
Monday, 26 March 2012 08:34

 ::snipping2::

The woman (32) had gone to a company party and upon return to her home a couple attacked her, dousing her with acid. Her husband came out and advised neighbors, who helped by pouring water over her to calm the burning sensation. Her burns were very bad, her scalp was affected and it is said that she might lose her eyesight.

 ::snipping2::

(http://www.arubaherald.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b_640_425_0_1___images_stories_news_2012_maart_26_victima_acido_DSC_0203.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 26, 2012, 11:59:22 PM
http://www.arubaherald.com/911/2212-illegal-dumps-a-growing-issue.html

llegal dumps, a growing issue         
Monday, 26 March 2012 08:42
 
Illegal dumps are becoming a serious issue. On the weekend an illegal dump in Tamarijn, where a hole was dug and is now being filled with garbage "caught fire". The smoke and stench created a great nuisance for neighbors as far as Paradera, Casibari, etc., interrupting their Sunday routines.

A septic truck was spotted pouring water on the area used as a dump on Sunday; is it not known if the truck carried clean water or water that the company had pumped out of a septic tank.

(http://www.arubaherald.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b_640_394_0_1___images_stories_news_2012_maart_26_candela_dump_tamarijn_front-DSC_1747.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 27, 2012, 12:02:31 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 27, 2012, 12:03:28 AM
http://www.larepublica.pe/26-03-2012/inpe-releva-las-autoridades-de-los-establecimientos-penitenciarios-de-la-region-lima

Google translation

 ::snipping2::

INPE relieves the authorities of the prisons in the region lime
Monday, March 26, 2012 | 8:16 pm

In a statement, the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) announced the change of authorities of the prisons in the region of Lima, having issued a video which allegedly shows a Antauro Humala smoking marijuana inside the prison BBW Stones.
 
"As appropriate in these cases, there is provided the necessary investigations in order to determine the responsibilities and apply the penalties to which they are entitled, both internally and with respect to workers who might incur functional misconduct, according to current regulations. "
 
The paper explains that the separation of the authorities of INPE is given "continuing institutional improvement measures and reorganization."
 
"The INPE reaffirms its commitment to maintain order and discipline in prisons under their administration and to punish those responsible for any acts of corruption that violates prison security," detailing.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on March 27, 2012, 12:08:46 AM
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 ::HelloKitty::  Mzzz Bee and everyone!

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 27, 2012, 12:12:58 AM
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 ::HelloKitty::  Mzzz Bee and everyone!

I see that they are cleaning house in Piedras Gordas.   ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2012, 12:17:47 AM
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 :smt006  Hi MuffyBee!   ::bee::

Can't you just imagine, smoke and burning sewer waste with that constant breeze in Aruba?

ewwwwweeeee!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

And Joran's probably soooo mad that they're getting rid of his favorite guard.   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2012, 12:25:02 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 27, 2012, 12:33:08 AM
Urine holds no value to anyone anymore Janet.  How long would you let yourself sit in prison before you tried to negotiate a plea deal by revealing Natalee's resting place. I have a gut feeling that he has no idea where she is at anymore. I do believe that there are people in Aruba who know exactly where her remains are. Urine, not so much. Even to gain political capital during an election cycle, Urine isn't the prisoner they are looking to make an exchange for. I personally will never say never, but find it extremely unlikely that Urine will make it out of Peru alive. I hope he stays alive in order to come to Alabama, as that would be as good as it gets....KEEPTHEFAITH...I do!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 27, 2012, 12:45:06 AM
Amazing!
Every time I visit this thread I feel like I am entering a time warp of recycled quotes and seemingly mindless speculation.

I do wish posters would mostly deal with the present day events.  We have all been here long enough to know the full story behind Joran and his manic episodes, and the less we dwell on that history the less we are likely to fall right into his trap of expecting everyone to regard him as a figure of notoriety.  People such as CLW and his followers brought themselves undone, and there have been more that showed their true colours, as surely as there will be more in the future.   Patience is all that is required.

There is plenty of unsavoury happenings on Aruba to keep us posting, along with the good things that have come out of Natalie and Stephany's tragic demise, such as Beth's work for the safety of youngsters travelling away from their familiar areas.

The will of the Almighty will be done in all cases and we should remember how insignificant we are in the scheme of things.  Our prayers always go to the families and friends who lost these wonderful young women.

Thank you TexasMom for all your contributions.  They are always informative and constructive.
Good to see Nonesy here also along with familiar monkeys and new (?) monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 27, 2012, 12:53:27 AM
I did make it, Janet, and apologize for delaying the update. I've had a full plate lately, and a foot problem that has been giving me a fit, but enough of that................... Beth Holloway has got to be the most gracious person on earth!

My fiance went with me, and even though he hasn't followed the case nearly as closely as I (and certainly you guys) have, he was sincerely touched and impressed with Beth. There was a "meet and greet" before her presentation that required a purchased ticket, and I had bought those. Unfortunately, that was the height of my foot problem, and I just couldn't stay through it all. Beth was warmly and patiently speaking with those in attendance and I did get a chance to say hello and tell her that we at Scared Monkeys would always hold her and her daughter close to our hearts and in our prayers. She warmly expressed her gratitude and passed along a hug to all through me. 

We left and found seats for her presentation. Beth was both articulate and organized, and very down to earth. She looked beautiful......... much more so than in her pictures. She outlined the story and events that we are so familiar with, but I believe her focus was her mission now for the rest of her life. She is honoring Natalee by doing all she can to prevent another tragedy for another girl in similar circumstances.

Above all, I left with two very strong impressions: She loves (present tense on purpose) her daughter, and that love has made her strong. I didn't expect it, but somehow I don't think Beth had any idea of her strength before Natalee went missing. I say that because I don't think she's really aware of it even now. It shines through her and it's beautiful; strength born in pure love. It's funny, but before I could express it, John said the same thing. It's hard to put into words but it's a perfect blend with her faith and there is no doubt in my mind that the two reside in harmony within her soul. The pain that we all remember, the tortured mother that grabbed our hearts has given way to determination for good. I'm convinced that Beth is not doing this to work out anything unresolved. She's made her peace and peace has been given to her to move forward with resolve.

I suppose that's what I went for. More than anything I wanted to know how Beth was. For me, Beth was always central in this with Natalee. Natalee came alive for me through Beth. There was always something so "real" about Beth and it compelled us all as she went through pure Hell at the hands of Joran, Paulus, K2, Aruba and on and on and on. She is "real" still, and somehow she chose to turn even this, into good........ and it's about honoring her daughter.

Natalee became the world's daughter. Natalee has the highest definition of a Mother in Beth Holloway. God Bless Her!!

The fact that this forum really took it's start around this woman's plight is something we can all be proud of!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 27, 2012, 01:45:47 AM
Amen to that CBB.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 27, 2012, 02:10:41 AM
I did make it, Janet, and apologize for delaying the update. I've had a full plate lately, and a foot problem that has been giving me a fit, but enough of that................... Beth Holloway has got to be the most gracious person on earth!

My fiance went with me, and even though he hasn't followed the case nearly as closely as I (and certainly you guys) have, he was sincerely touched and impressed with Beth. There was a "meet and greet" before her presentation that required a purchased ticket, and I had bought those. Unfortunately, that was the height of my foot problem, and I just couldn't stay through it all. Beth was warmly and patiently speaking with those in attendance and I did get a chance to say hello and tell her that we at Scared Monkeys would always hold her and her daughter close to our hearts and in our prayers. She warmly expressed her gratitude and passed along a hug to all through me. 

We left and found seats for her presentation. Beth was both articulate and organized, and very down to earth. She looked beautiful......... much more so than in her pictures. She outlined the story and events that we are so familiar with, but I believe her focus was her mission now for the rest of her life. She is honoring Natalee by doing all she can to prevent another tragedy for another girl in similar circumstances.

Above all, I left with two very strong impressions: She loves (present tense on purpose) her daughter, and that love has made her strong. I didn't expect it, but somehow I don't think Beth had any idea of her strength before Natalee went missing. I say that because I don't think she's really aware of it even now. It shines through her and it's beautiful; strength born in pure love. It's funny, but before I could express it, John said the same thing. It's hard to put into words but it's a perfect blend with her faith and there is no doubt in my mind that the two reside in harmony within her soul. The pain that we all remember, the tortured mother that grabbed our hearts has given way to determination for good. I'm convinced that Beth is not doing this to work out anything unresolved. She's made her peace and peace has been given to her to move forward with resolve.


I suppose that's what I went for. More than anything I wanted to know how Beth was. For me, Beth was always central in this with Natalee. Natalee came alive for me through Beth. There was always something so "real" about Beth and it compelled us all as she went through pure Hell at the hands of Joran, Paulus, K2, Aruba and on and on and on. She is "real" still, and somehow she chose to turn even this, into good........ and it's about honoring her daughter.

Natalee became the world's daughter. Natalee has the highest definition of a Mother in Beth Holloway. God Bless Her!!

The fact that this forum really took it's start around this woman's plight is something we can all be proud of!

I got goosebumps and tears in my eyes as I read your words about Beth and Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on March 27, 2012, 02:13:27 AM
Urine holds no value to anyone anymore Janet.  How long would you let yourself sit in prison before you tried to negotiate a plea deal by revealing Natalee's resting place. I have a gut feeling that he has no idea where she is at anymore. I do believe that there are people in Aruba who know exactly where her remains are. Urine, not so much. Even to gain political capital during an election cycle, Urine isn't the prisoner they are looking to make an exchange for. I personally will never say never, but find it extremely unlikely that Urine will make it out of Peru alive. I hope he stays alive in order to come to Alabama, as that would be as good as it gets....KEEPTHEFAITH...I do!!

I agree!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 27, 2012, 02:29:23 AM
Urine holds no value to anyone anymore Janet.  How long would you let yourself sit in prison before you tried to negotiate a plea deal by revealing Natalee's resting place. I have a gut feeling that he has no idea where she is at anymore. I do believe that there are people in Aruba who know exactly where her remains are. Urine, not so much. Even to gain political capital during an election cycle, Urine isn't the prisoner they are looking to make an exchange for. I personally will never say never, but find it extremely unlikely that Urine will make it out of Peru alive. I hope he stays alive in order to come to Alabama, as that would be as good as it gets....KEEPTHEFAITH...I do!!

I agree!

If God sees fit that the two Leprechauns or Urine touch American soil, I'll do everything possible to let em know KTF is in their presence. Time is on our side Monkey's, as well as PEACHES, 2NJ, NATALEE, AND STEPHANY are there too. In the mean time, I continue to take steps in the world I exist to hopefully have a much greater impact than I did before I started to follow this case and joined SM. It is unfortunate that sometimes we need tragedy to help create change, but change is what Natalee, Stephany, and Beth will ultimately help create through their angelic spirits that have touched us all.


GOD BLESS NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 27, 2012, 02:36:51 AM
I did make it, Janet, and apologize for delaying the update. I've had a full plate lately, and a foot problem that has been giving me a fit, but enough of that................... Beth Holloway has got to be the most gracious person on earth!

My fiance went with me, and even though he hasn't followed the case nearly as closely as I (and certainly you guys) have, he was sincerely touched and impressed with Beth. There was a "meet and greet" before her presentation that required a purchased ticket, and I had bought those. Unfortunately, that was the height of my foot problem, and I just couldn't stay through it all. Beth was warmly and patiently speaking with those in attendance and I did get a chance to say hello and tell her that we at Scared Monkeys would always hold her and her daughter close to our hearts and in our prayers. She warmly expressed her gratitude and passed along a hug to all through me. 

We left and found seats for her presentation. Beth was both articulate and organized, and very down to earth. She looked beautiful......... much more so than in her pictures. She outlined the story and events that we are so familiar with, but I believe her focus was her mission now for the rest of her life. She is honoring Natalee by doing all she can to prevent another tragedy for another girl in similar circumstances.

Above all, I left with two very strong impressions: She loves (present tense on purpose) her daughter, and that love has made her strong. I didn't expect it, but somehow I don't think Beth had any idea of her strength before Natalee went missing. I say that because I don't think she's really aware of it even now. It shines through her and it's beautiful; strength born in pure love. It's funny, but before I could express it, John said the same thing. It's hard to put into words but it's a perfect blend with her faith and there is no doubt in my mind that the two reside in harmony within her soul. The pain that we all remember, the tortured mother that grabbed our hearts has given way to determination for good. I'm convinced that Beth is not doing this to work out anything unresolved. She's made her peace and peace has been given to her to move forward with resolve.

I suppose that's what I went for. More than anything I wanted to know how Beth was. For me, Beth was always central in this with Natalee. Natalee came alive for me through Beth. There was always something so "real" about Beth and it compelled us all as she went through pure Hell at the hands of Joran, Paulus, K2, Aruba and on and on and on. She is "real" still, and somehow she chose to turn even this, into good........ and it's about honoring her daughter.

Natalee became the world's daughter. Natalee has the highest definition of a Mother in Beth Holloway. God Bless Her!!

The fact that this forum really took it's start around this woman's plight is something we can all be proud of!



A beautiful post, CBB.  Thank you.   ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: can on March 27, 2012, 08:06:07 AM
CBB - Thank you for attending and bringing your wonderful words and impressions back to SM.  I get the feeling there is a radiance from Beth and that radiance strengthens others.
God bless her work!

God bless Natalee!

 ::MonkeyAngel::   ::justice2NJ::   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: can on March 27, 2012, 08:10:46 AM
CBB  -  o/t   -  Sorry about your foot problem and hope something can be done to help it get better, soon!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on March 27, 2012, 09:15:33 AM
Thanks CBB!  You have such a way with words.  I feel as though I was there with you.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 27, 2012, 10:25:36 AM
Thanks CBB!  You have such a way with words.  I feel as though I was there with you.

I second that!! 

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2012, 10:39:28 AM
I did make it, Janet, and apologize for delaying the update. I've had a full plate lately, and a foot problem that has been giving me a fit, but enough of that................... Beth Holloway has got to be the most gracious person on earth!

My fiance went with me, and even though he hasn't followed the case nearly as closely as I (and certainly you guys) have, he was sincerely touched and impressed with Beth. There was a "meet and greet" before her presentation that required a purchased ticket, and I had bought those. Unfortunately, that was the height of my foot problem, and I just couldn't stay through it all. Beth was warmly and patiently speaking with those in attendance and I did get a chance to say hello and tell her that we at Scared Monkeys would always hold her and her daughter close to our hearts and in our prayers. She warmly expressed her gratitude and passed along a hug to all through me. 

We left and found seats for her presentation. Beth was both articulate and organized, and very down to earth. She looked beautiful......... much more so than in her pictures. She outlined the story and events that we are so familiar with, but I believe her focus was her mission now for the rest of her life. She is honoring Natalee by doing all she can to prevent another tragedy for another girl in similar circumstances.

Above all, I left with two very strong impressions: She loves (present tense on purpose) her daughter, and that love has made her strong. I didn't expect it, but somehow I don't think Beth had any idea of her strength before Natalee went missing. I say that because I don't think she's really aware of it even now. It shines through her and it's beautiful; strength born in pure love. It's funny, but before I could express it, John said the same thing. It's hard to put into words but it's a perfect blend with her faith and there is no doubt in my mind that the two reside in harmony within her soul. The pain that we all remember, the tortured mother that grabbed our hearts has given way to determination for good. I'm convinced that Beth is not doing this to work out anything unresolved. She's made her peace and peace has been given to her to move forward with resolve.

I suppose that's what I went for. More than anything I wanted to know how Beth was. For me, Beth was always central in this with Natalee. Natalee came alive for me through Beth. There was always something so "real" about Beth and it compelled us all as she went through pure Hell at the hands of Joran, Paulus, K2, Aruba and on and on and on. She is "real" still, and somehow she chose to turn even this, into good........ and it's about honoring her daughter.

Natalee became the world's daughter. Natalee has the highest definition of a Mother in Beth Holloway. God Bless Her!!

The fact that this forum really took it's start around this woman's plight is something we can all be proud of!

Thank you CBB.  I wish I had been there.

I hope that foot problem is on ongoing.

Thanks again.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 27, 2012, 12:45:31 PM
Thanks CBB!  You have such a way with words.  I feel as though I was there with you.

Oh, I wish you and all of Natalee's monkeys could have been! Honest, guys...... don't ever regret the time you have spent on Natalee's thread. That time, compassion and compulsion to help somehow, speaks volumes about you. It's about Natalee and it always has been, but within the whole tragedy are the important things in life. Yes, it's corruption and evil, pain, and injustice, but because of one slight woman it is so much more. She has overcome and she has conquered by answering it all with inner peace, love and giving to others unselfishly for good. You don't get to where she is in an instant, it's an evolution and requires painful sacrifice and ultimately choices. She's walked through fire, and the key word there is "through". Beth has emerged changed as purification with fire dictates, but what a living example of grace she is! She's so unaware of it, but there isn't a monkey on this thread that wouldn't have seen what I saw. We know.....  we walked beside her as best we could and we know where she's been and what she's been through.

If you ever get a chance to hear her........... please don't let it pass you by!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
Thanks CBB!  You have such a way with words.  I feel as though I was there with you.

Oh, I wish you and all of Natalee's monkeys could have been! Honest, guys...... don't ever regret the time you have spent on Natalee's thread. That time, compassion and compulsion to help somehow, speaks volumes about you. It's about Natalee and it always has been, but within the whole tragedy are the important things in life. Yes, it's corruption and evil, pain, and injustice, but because of one slight woman it is so much more. She has overcome and she has conquered by answering it all with inner peace, love and giving to others unselfishly for good. You don't get to where she is in an instant, it's an evolution and requires painful sacrifice and ultimately choices. She's walked through fire, and the key word there is "through". Beth has emerged changed as purification with fire dictates, but what a living example of grace she is! She's so unaware of it, but there isn't a monkey on this thread that wouldn't have seen what I saw. We know.....  we walked beside her as best we could and we know where she's been and what she's been through.

If you ever get a chance to hear her........... please don't let it pass you by!

 ::rhino::


This Monkey agrees.  Beth defines grace ... defines inspiration ... defines strength and ... last but not least ... defines encouragement.

Thank you CBB!  Thank you sooo much!  You came through big time!

Take care of that foot hon.

Janet

 :smt060


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2012, 01:51:24 PM
CBB ... a request from the DIL with the past five minutes!  Would you consider sending your review to the Bristol Library?  There were many great review published locally in regards to Beth's Bristol experience but ... we are in agreement that your review said it was best.

Again ... Thanks!!

Janet

++++++

Sarah Hutchinson
Bristol Public Library Foundation
marketing@bristol-library.org.



Natalee Holloway's mother speaks at Bristol Public Library
Published: March 23, 2012 Updated: March 23, 2012 - 9:00 AM


<snipped>

The Natalee Holloway Resource Center, which opened two years ago in the National Museum of Crime and Punishment, was set up to aid families of missing persons. Beth Holloway previously hosted a TV show about missing persons, and her book was made into two TV movies.

She was the first speaker in the library’s 2012 Discovery Series, which brings internationally known authors, speakers and media personalities to the Twin City.

<snipped>

http://www2.tricities.com/news/2012/mar/23/natalee-holloways-mother-speaks-bristol-public-lib-ar-1787274/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2012, 02:56:49 PM
Amazing!
Every time I visit this thread I feel like I am entering a time warp of recycled quotes and seemingly mindless speculation.

I do wish posters would mostly deal with the present day events.  We have all been here long enough to know the full story behind Joran and his manic episodes, and the less we dwell on that history the less we are likely to fall right into his trap of expecting everyone to regard him as a figure of notoriety.  People such as CLW and his followers brought themselves undone, and there have been more that showed their true colours, as surely as there will be more in the future.   Patience is all that is required.

There is plenty of unsavoury happenings on Aruba to keep us posting, along with the good things that have come out of Natalie and Stephany's tragic demise, such as Beth's work for the safety of youngsters travelling away from their familiar areas.

The will of the Almighty will be done in all cases and we should remember how insignificant we are in the scheme of things.  Our prayers always go to the families and friends who lost these wonderful young women.

Thank you TexasMom for all your contributions.  They are always informative and constructive.
Good to see Nonesy here also along with familiar monkeys and new (?) monkeys

Thank you Tibro, for your thoughts!  You know I agree with the rest, and really appreciate the compliment too. 

Thank you for all you do, it's always great to see you here; and your Australia thread is always interesting.  I appreciate the time you put into it.

 ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2012, 03:07:14 PM
I did make it, Janet, and apologize for delaying the update. I've had a full plate lately, and a foot problem that has been giving me a fit, but enough of that................... Beth Holloway has got to be the most gracious person on earth!

My fiance went with me, and even though he hasn't followed the case nearly as closely as I (and certainly you guys) have, he was sincerely touched and impressed with Beth. There was a "meet and greet" before her presentation that required a purchased ticket, and I had bought those. Unfortunately, that was the height of my foot problem, and I just couldn't stay through it all. Beth was warmly and patiently speaking with those in attendance and I did get a chance to say hello and tell her that we at Scared Monkeys would always hold her and her daughter close to our hearts and in our prayers. She warmly expressed her gratitude and passed along a hug to all through me. 

We left and found seats for her presentation. Beth was both articulate and organized, and very down to earth. She looked beautiful......... much more so than in her pictures. She outlined the story and events that we are so familiar with, but I believe her focus was her mission now for the rest of her life. She is honoring Natalee by doing all she can to prevent another tragedy for another girl in similar circumstances.

Above all, I left with two very strong impressions: She loves (present tense on purpose) her daughter, and that love has made her strong. I didn't expect it, but somehow I don't think Beth had any idea of her strength before Natalee went missing. I say that because I don't think she's really aware of it even now. It shines through her and it's beautiful; strength born in pure love. It's funny, but before I could express it, John said the same thing. It's hard to put into words but it's a perfect blend with her faith and there is no doubt in my mind that the two reside in harmony within her soul. The pain that we all remember, the tortured mother that grabbed our hearts has given way to determination for good. I'm convinced that Beth is not doing this to work out anything unresolved. She's made her peace and peace has been given to her to move forward with resolve.

I suppose that's what I went for. More than anything I wanted to know how Beth was. For me, Beth was always central in this with Natalee. Natalee came alive for me through Beth. There was always something so "real" about Beth and it compelled us all as she went through pure Hell at the hands of Joran, Paulus, K2, Aruba and on and on and on. She is "real" still, and somehow she chose to turn even this, into good........ and it's about honoring her daughter.

Natalee became the world's daughter. Natalee has the highest definition of a Mother in Beth Holloway. God Bless Her!!

The fact that this forum really took it's start around this woman's plight is something we can all be proud of!

Klaas is right (again) CBB, you have such a way with words!  I'm so glad you were able to speak with Beth, and let her know that they will always be in our thoughts and prayers.  So sorry to hear you were having problems with your foot when you went, but I'm sure it was an experience that you will hold dear.  I'm praying that you will be well. 

I truly hope to get the chance to go hear Beth speak too one day.  God bless her!

Thanks for sharing!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyHeart::


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Post by: Serenity on March 27, 2012, 07:45:46 PM
Is there a website I can access that will tell me where /when are Beth's future speaking engagements?


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Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2012, 08:10:09 PM
Is there a website I can access that will tell me where /when are Beth's future speaking engagements?

I don't recall ever seeing a schedule of her future engagements. 

I think this is the company that they are booked through.

http://premierespeakers.com/beth_holloway




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Post by: klaasend on March 27, 2012, 08:56:35 PM
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Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2012, 01:39:35 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



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Post by: jamcakes on March 28, 2012, 02:41:55 PM
I like to think that if Natalee were still alive, she'd be a Scared Monkey!


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Post by: Dihannah1 on March 28, 2012, 02:49:13 PM
I 5th or 6th that Thank you CBB!  As Klaas said, you made us feel like we were with you.  I truly pray someday, I get the honor of meeting her.  She is truly a Godsend to this world, which we are lacking.  She is truly blessed by God and will see her daughter again some day.  I take comfort in that for her and Stephanie's family!  God will take care of the rest.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: grace-land on March 28, 2012, 08:38:10 PM
http://arubaherald.com/911/2225-venezuelan-woman-detained-in-acid-attack-investigation.html

Venezuelan woman detained in acid attack investigation
Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:30

On Tuesday police detained a Venezuelan woman in the  investigation of an acid attack on a 32-year-old woman on March 25.

The detained woman is the only suspect until now, she refuses to talk and insists that she is innocent. Initial reports say a man was involved in the attack as well. The victim, who was transported to Colombia for medical attention, had apparently identified this woman as her attacker The detainee is Yudis Moraima Fernandez Gonzalez, married to Tromp, born in Maracaibo, Venezuela. She knew she was being sought and decided to turn herself in and was detained.
 
The victim knows the presumed attacker's husband as they work together at a large supermarket in Eagle.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2012, 08:59:24 PM
http://www.wmctv.com/story/17138135/carlson-rezidor-hotel-group-appoints-rob-smith-as-general-manager-of-the-radisson-plaza-hotel-minneapolis

Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group Appoints Rob Smith as General Manager of the Radisson Plaza Hotel, Minneapolis

SOURCE Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group

MINNEAPOLIS, March 12, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group, one of the world's largest and most dynamic hotel groups, today announced the appointment of Rob Smith as general manager of the Radisson Plaza Hotel, Minneapolis.  Smith, who assumes his new role April 9, was most recently general manager of the Radisson Aruba Resort, Casino & Spa.

"Rob's extensive experience leading upscale, full-service hotels and resorts will be an advantage in managing this important company-owned and managed Radisson hotel," said Javier Rosenberg, chief operating officer, Radisson, Americas, and executive vice president of owned and managed hotels, Americas. "He has overseen several key projects, including spearheading a USD 30 million renovation of the Radisson Aruba Resort, while simultaneously improving customer and employee satisfaction."

Smith brings a breadth of experience that includes 17 years serving as a hotel general manager in the U.S. and Caribbean. During his tenure at the Radisson Aruba Resort, Smith's leadership helped reposition the property to the top-tier of the market.

Before joining Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group, Smith served as president and chief executive officer of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association/Aruba Convention Bureau. In 2005, he was named the island's "Hotelier of the Year" and was nominated as hotelier of the year by the Caribbean Hotel Association. Active in his local community, Smith currently serves on the board of the Caribbean Hotel Association and the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association.

Smith studied at the University of South Florida, specializing in business finance and American studies.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: wreck on March 28, 2012, 10:27:06 PM
http://www.wmctv.com/story/17138135/carlson-rezidor-hotel-group-appoints-rob-smith-as-general-manager-of-the-radisson-plaza-hotel-minneapolis

Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group Appoints Rob Smith as General Manager of the Radisson Plaza Hotel, Minneapolis

SOURCE Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group

MINNEAPOLIS, March 12, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group, one of the world's largest and most dynamic hotel groups, today announced the appointment of Rob Smith as general manager of the Radisson Plaza Hotel, Minneapolis.  Smith, who assumes his new role April 9, was most recently general manager of the Radisson Aruba Resort, Casino & Spa.

"Rob's extensive experience leading upscale, full-service hotels and resorts will be an advantage in managing this important company-owned and managed Radisson hotel," said Javier Rosenberg, chief operating officer, Radisson, Americas, and executive vice president of owned and managed hotels, Americas. "He has overseen several key projects, including spearheading a USD 30 million renovation of the Radisson Aruba Resort, while simultaneously improving customer and employee satisfaction."

Smith brings a breadth of experience that includes 17 years serving as a hotel general manager in the U.S. and Caribbean. During his tenure at the Radisson Aruba Resort, Smith's leadership helped reposition the property to the top-tier of the market.

Before joining Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group, Smith served as president and chief executive officer of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association/Aruba Convention Bureau. In 2005, he was named the island's "Hotelier of the Year" and was nominated as hotelier of the year by the Caribbean Hotel Association. Active in his local community, Smith currently serves on the board of the Caribbean Hotel Association and the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association.

Smith studied at the University of South Florida, specializing in business finance and American studies.

 ::snipping2::
Any monkeys in Minnesota?? Rob Smith knew ALL of the AHATA dealings and strategies. He will be out of Aruba ... someone needs to strong arm some info out of him. HE KNOWS ALL.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2012, 11:54:21 PM
Rob Smith's replacement...

http://www.hospitalitynet.org/staffmovement/79003080.html


Wednesday, 21 March 2012

Willem Plegt has been appointed General Manager at Radisson Aruba Resort, Casino & Spa in Aruba , Netherlands Antilles.

(http://www.hospitalitynet.org/picture/153040318.jpg)


Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group announced the appointment of Willem Plegt as general manager of the Radisson Aruba Resort, Casino & Spa. Plegt, who assumes his new role March 26, replaces Rob Smith, who was recently named general manager of the Radisson Plaza Hotel, Minneapolis. “Willem is a seasoned hotelier who brings a wealth of international and Caribbean experience,” said Javier Rosenberg, chief operating officer, Radisson, Americas, and executive vice president of owned and managed hotels, Americas. “I am confident his leadership will strengthen the Radisson Aruba’s position as the island’s leading resort, offering impressive service and facilities on the island’s best beach.

” Plegt most recently served as general manager of the Palisade Palms in Galveston, Texas where he developed and implemented management structure for the newly-built property. He began his career with InterContinental Hotels and Resorts in 1984 at the Inter-Continental New York Barclay. He served in numerous management roles at properties around the world including Houston, Miami, San Juan, Puerto Rico, London, Berlin and Amsterdam.


Willem Plegt graduated at Hotelschool The Hague in The Hague - The Netherlands
More information on Hotelschools.com


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Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2012, 12:03:16 AM
http://www.wmctv.com/story/17138135/carlson-rezidor-hotel-group-appoints-rob-smith-as-general-manager-of-the-radisson-plaza-hotel-minneapolis

Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group Appoints Rob Smith as General Manager of the Radisson Plaza Hotel, Minneapolis

SOURCE Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group

MINNEAPOLIS, March 12, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group, one of the world's largest and most dynamic hotel groups, today announced the appointment of Rob Smith as general manager of the Radisson Plaza Hotel, Minneapolis.  Smith, who assumes his new role April 9, was most recently general manager of the Radisson Aruba Resort, Casino & Spa.

"Rob's extensive experience leading upscale, full-service hotels and resorts will be an advantage in managing this important company-owned and managed Radisson hotel," said Javier Rosenberg, chief operating officer, Radisson, Americas, and executive vice president of owned and managed hotels, Americas. "He has overseen several key projects, including spearheading a USD 30 million renovation of the Radisson Aruba Resort, while simultaneously improving customer and employee satisfaction."

Smith brings a breadth of experience that includes 17 years serving as a hotel general manager in the U.S. and Caribbean. During his tenure at the Radisson Aruba Resort, Smith's leadership helped reposition the property to the top-tier of the market.

Before joining Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group, Smith served as president and chief executive officer of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association/Aruba Convention Bureau. In 2005, he was named the island's "Hotelier of the Year" and was nominated as hotelier of the year by the Caribbean Hotel Association. Active in his local community, Smith currently serves on the board of the Caribbean Hotel Association and the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association.

Smith studied at the University of South Florida, specializing in business finance and American studies.

 ::snipping2::
Any monkeys in Minnesota?? Rob Smith knew ALL of the AHATA dealings and strategies. He will be out of Aruba ... someone needs to strong arm some info out of him. HE KNOWS ALL.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

He'll be out of Aruba, but still in the hotel business.  My bet is he'll still have a place in Aruba long after he leaves, and will go back when he can.  Without a subpoena or maybe a visit from the FBI, I doubt he will reveal anything we'd find interesting.  jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: wreck on March 29, 2012, 12:38:15 AM
http://www.wmctv.com/story/17138135/carlson-rezidor-hotel-group-appoints-rob-smith-as-general-manager-of-the-radisson-plaza-hotel-minneapolis

Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group Appoints Rob Smith as General Manager of the Radisson Plaza Hotel, Minneapolis

SOURCE Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group

MINNEAPOLIS, March 12, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group, one of the world's largest and most dynamic hotel groups, today announced the appointment of Rob Smith as general manager of the Radisson Plaza Hotel, Minneapolis.  Smith, who assumes his new role April 9, was most recently general manager of the Radisson Aruba Resort, Casino & Spa.

"Rob's extensive experience leading upscale, full-service hotels and resorts will be an advantage in managing this important company-owned and managed Radisson hotel," said Javier Rosenberg, chief operating officer, Radisson, Americas, and executive vice president of owned and managed hotels, Americas. "He has overseen several key projects, including spearheading a USD 30 million renovation of the Radisson Aruba Resort, while simultaneously improving customer and employee satisfaction."

Smith brings a breadth of experience that includes 17 years serving as a hotel general manager in the U.S. and Caribbean. During his tenure at the Radisson Aruba Resort, Smith's leadership helped reposition the property to the top-tier of the market.

Before joining Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group, Smith served as president and chief executive officer of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association/Aruba Convention Bureau. In 2005, he was named the island's "Hotelier of the Year" and was nominated as hotelier of the year by the Caribbean Hotel Association. Active in his local community, Smith currently serves on the board of the Caribbean Hotel Association and the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association.

Smith studied at the University of South Florida, specializing in business finance and American studies.

 ::snipping2::
Any monkeys in Minnesota?? Rob Smith knew ALL of the AHATA dealings and strategies. He will be out of Aruba ... someone needs to strong arm some info out of him. HE KNOWS ALL.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

He'll be out of Aruba, but still in the hotel business.  My bet is he'll still have a place in Aruba long after he leaves, and will go back when he can.  Without a subpoena or maybe a visit from the FBI, I doubt he will reveal anything we'd find interesting.  jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
That is why I hoping someone could pay him a "personal visit" to jog his memory!!  ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: Magnolia on March 29, 2012, 01:42:17 AM
He is gonna be really cold in Minneapolis after years in Aruba.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2012, 04:53:10 PM
In each of Beth Holloway's speaking engagements her story ... her message ... her testimony ... is unchanging.  She made a pledge to be an ongoing voice for her daughter.  Beth has never wavered on that pledge.  As long as she has strength ... as long as she is afforded a platform ... the  Natalee Holloway story will be told over and over again.  It will never become a distant memory.

I speculate that after almost seven years those in Aruba who who were participants in an agenda to prevent justice from prevail ... those who underestimated the determinination of a mother's love ... must get it!!

Janet

++++++ 


From Victim to Victor

Natalee Holloway's mother speaks at Bristol Public Library
Published: March 23, 2012


Holloway said she gave up hope her daughter would be found alive after finally seeing surveillance video that didn’t show Natalee returning to the hotel in a car, as van der Sloot had said. After viewing the tapes, Holloway frantically left the hotel in search of a church. She found a row of crosses.

“I came upon a beautiful cross and fell down on my knees and cried out to God to please give her back,” Holloway said, as many in the audience wiped away tears. “I took pebbles from the ground and rubbed them across her picture – praying, crying and begging God to give her back. After being numb for days, there was pain, torturous pain. I went to each cross, knelt down and repeated my prayer.

“As I reached the fifth cross, the answer to these prayers came: complete peace blanketed me. And, in that instant, I knew that Natalee was with God. Somehow I knew that the moment she got into the backseat of that car, her heavenly Father wrapped His loving arms around her and cared for her through whatever ordeal she encountered that night. The wind blew – and I felt Natalee – and I promised to never give up searching for her.”

<snipped?

“To make the transition from victim to victor, I made a choice to turn what I’ve learned through a tragedy into a learning experience for others. My audience is global, but even if I only reach one individual with my message – a student, a parent, a traveler, you – then I’ve become the victor over all the sorrow and the pain,” Holloway said.

To those ends, she has established the International Safe Travels Foundation, a nonprofit organization designed to educate the public about traveling safely overseas. The Natalee Holloway Resource Center, which opened two years ago in the National Museum of Crime and Punishment, was set up to aid families of missing persons. Beth Holloway previously hosted a TV show about missing persons, and her book was made into two TV movies.

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2012/mar/23/natalee-holloways-mother-speaks-bristol-public-lib-ar-1787274/


My Pledge

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 189:
    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.  I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge. It's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professionals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.


Voice for Natalee

'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 24th
10/25/2005


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


 :smt060








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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2012, 06:09:48 PM

(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)



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Post by: Buckeye on March 30, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
He is gonna be really cold in Minneapolis after years in Aruba.

I was thinking the same thing.

His girls are getting older.  He was probably happy to take anything that would get them off that island.


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Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2012, 11:56:50 AM
https://www.facebook.com/foxyladyaruba?sk=wall

Alex Mathew
ATTORNEYS GOING INTERNATIONAL

Attorney Zara has invited all members of the Aruban Media and all members of the Parliament individually, to this very important Conference on Thursday the 29th of March 2012 at 11 A.M. This Press Conference is scheduled to be held at his office located at Palm Beach 33-B, Noord, Aruba. Due to the seriousness of this matter I do hope that the Prime Minister of Aruba along with all other Ministers do attend this very important conference in the benefit of Aruba.

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Share · March 23
Barry January likes this.

Kath Mazzocchi-Drenga Whoaaaa I can only imagine who some of those people are, and they also swept Natalee under the rug too. Wish I could be there.
March 23 at 7:50pm


http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/106793-ik-heb-geen-toegang-tot-alle-dossiers-in-strea-zaak

Google translation:

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Post by: wreck on March 31, 2012, 12:33:30 PM
Kath Mazzocchi-Drenga?!?!


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Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2012, 12:34:06 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/106587-council-of-ministers-st-maarten-discusses-candidature-of-pietersz


Council of Ministers St. Maarten discusses candidature of Pietersz         

WEDNESDAY, 28 MARCH 2012 11:20

WILLEMSTAD — The Council of Ministers (RvM) of St. Maarten will discuss the recommendation of former judge and Attorney General on Curaçao and Aruba, Robert Pietersz, as temporary member of the Board of Commissioners (RvC) of the Central Bank of Curaçao and St. Maarten (CBCS).  It’s possible that the Council of Ministers of Curaçao will discuss this recommendation tomorrow.  President of the Court Lisbeth Hoefdraad recommended Pietersz as temporary member. Minister of Finance George ‘Jorge’ Jamaloodin (MFK) recently requested Hoefdraad to appoint a seventh member in the RvC of the Central Bank for the time being. The Board of Commissioners should consist of seven members, but since the dismantlement of the Netherlands Antilles on 10-10-’10 and subsequently the installation of the CBCS (to replace the Bank of the Netherlands Antilles (BNA)), Curaçao and St. Maarten hadn’t been able to agree on appointing the seventh member. The six members of the RvC were appointed on May 31st and sworn in early June last year. A seventh RvC-member could give the deciding factor with important decisions. According to the bank’s articles of association, the president of the Communal Court of Justice of Aruba, Curaçao, St. Maarten and of Bonaire, St. Eustatius and Saba will appoint a temporary member ‘if the ministers neglect to make a recommendation or if the countries neglect to appoint a member within three months after the recommendation’.

 ::snipping2::


http://www.amigoe.com/english/106708-government-surprised-by-pietersz-appointment-in-rvc-of-central-bank

Government surprised by Pietersz’ appointment in RvC of Central Bank   
      
THURSDAY, 29 MARCH 2012 11:20

WILLEMSTAD — Minister of Finance, George ‘Jorge’ Jamaloodin (MFK), was ‘really surprised’ when the president of the court Lisbeth Hoefdraad informed him of the appointment of Robert Pietersz as member of the Board of Commissioners (RvC) of the Central Bank of Curaçao and St. Maarten (CBCS). “I’ve no problem with Robert Pietersz personally, but with the fact that although the government of Curaçao had recommended ten candidates, the president of the court chose to recommend another person rather than considering one of our candidates”, a disappointed Jamaloodin stated before the Amigoe.As the Amigoe reported earlier, Hoefdraad recommended Pietersz as temporary member. The Board of Commissioners should consist of seven members and since the dismantlement of the Netherlands Antilles on 10-10-’10 and the installation of the CBCS (thus replacing the Bank of the Netherlands Antilles (BNA)), Curaçao and St. Maarten were unable to agree on a seventh member. The six members of the RvC were appointed on May 31st last year and sworn in early June. A seventh RvC-member could be the deciding factor with important decisions.

Disadvantageous construction

According to the bank’s articles of association, the president of the Communal Court of Justice of Aruba, Curaçao, St. Maarten and of Bonaire, St. Eustatius and Saba will appoint a temporary member ‘if the ministers neglect to make a recommendation or if the countries neglect to appoint a member within three months after the recommendation’. Jamaloodin: “This is an extremely disadvantageous construction for Curaçao. As country, we are 75%-owner of the Central Bank. In any company, the voice of those having the majority of interests would be decisive. However, thanks to Zita Jesus-Leito and Emily de Jongh-Elhage, we’ve now reached a deadlock with no prospects”, said the Minister of Finance.

Jamaloodin emphasized it’s not about the person Pietersz, although in the corridors the Minister heard several stories and rumors, for instance that several years ago the former attorney general arranged that Tromp was not prosecuted. “However, these are only stories and rumors, so we’ll leave it at that”, said Jamaloodin.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2012, 12:38:51 PM
Kath Mazzocchi-Drenga?!?!

Yep   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKUBed9_RuRJDiVOxQ5FgkJrYlMj7NmNguMHtrkcBfr1r1cOsbCA)


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Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2012, 12:45:12 PM
Pietersz was reported to have recently retired from this position.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/22491.htm

Principal Government Officials
Governor General--Fredis J. Refunjol
Prime Minister--Michiel Godfried (Mike) Eman
Deputy Prime Minister--Mike Eric de Meza
Minister of Economic Affairs, Social Affairs and Culture--Michelle Janice Hooyboer-Winklaar
Minister of General Affairs and Foreign Relations--Michiel Godfried (Mike) Eman
Minister of Finance, Communication, Utilities and Energy--Mike Eric de Meza
Minister of Health and Sport--Richard Wayne Milton Visser
Minister of Justice and Education--Arthur Lawrence Dowers
Minister of Tourism, Labor and Transport--Otmar Enrique Oduber
Minister of Integration, Infrastructure and Environment--Oslin Benito Sevinger
Minister Plenipotentiary to The Hague--Edwin Bibiano Abath
Minister Plenipotentiary to Washington, DC--Jocelyne Croes
President, Bank of Aruba--Jane R. Semeleer
Attorney General--Robert Pietersz


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Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2012, 12:59:05 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/106705-american-aviation-authority-faa-not-satisfied-with-aruba

American aviation authority FAA not satisfied with Aruba         

THURSDAY, 29 MARCH 2012 11:16

ORANJESTAD — The Directorate of Aviation is to amend regulation and policy in order to comply with the standards of the international civil aviation organization ICAO. Furthermore, several aircraft companies have to be recertified because the management didn’t think it was necessary to perform obligatory personnel drills, such as evacuation and beach training.By our reporter

Alex Laclé

Parliamentarian Chris Dammers (AVP) from the Transport Committee stated the aforementioned before the Amigoe this morning. According to Dammers, these are the findings of an inspector from the American aviation authority FFA, who visited the Directorate of Aviation on March 13th, on account of Insel Air Aruba’s wish to fly to the United States in the future.

Improvement

“As agreed, FAA may conduct the inspection to see if we comply with all regulations”, Dammers explains. According to the parliamentarian, the Directorate of Aviation is to improve on three points. Within 60 days, the FAA-inspector will return to evaluate the headway. If the American aviation authority is not satisfied, a complete audit will follow. “This will take one week and involves three inspectors”, says Dammers.

In the worst case, if serious defaults are recorded, FAA could degrade Aruba to category 2. This means that airline companies registered on Aruba may not apply for a new flying route to the United States. This can be compared to the current situation on Curaçao, where the category 1 status of the country was recently devalued to category 2.

Regulation

However, according to Dammers, it’s unlikely this will happen on Aruba, especially since we’ve never had problems regarding airworthiness. He explains it regards relatively simple amendments. The regulation to be amended is now with the Directorate of Legislation and has already been tested by aviation jurists in The Netherlands. It regards amendments in the field of licenses, aviation exams and airworthiness, and recertification of several aircraft companies because the latter wrongfully received exemption for personnel drills, such as evacuation and beach training. The companies are still to perform these drills and produce evidence of such to the Directorate of Aviation.

Dammers would not give the names of the companies in question. Furthermore, henceforth the rules will be laid down in a National Order instead of ministerial orders. Amendment of a policy document is also necessary so that the Inspector of the Directorate of Aviation is then authorized in phase 1 instead of phase 2 with the certification of an airline company for the type of aircraft of the company in question.
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Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2012, 01:07:48 PM
Article from 2008

http://www.curacaolegalportal.com/New-Lt.-Governments-Bonaire-and-Saba.html

New Lt. Governments Bonaire and Saba
     
Glen Thodé and Jonathan Johnson are the new lt. governments in Bonaire and Saba. The Minister Council for the Kingdom approved the nominations today. Thodé succeeds Herbert Domacassé, whose term of office runs out on October 24 and Johnson replaces Sidney Sorton effective July 2.

Thodé’s appointment is for the term of six years. At this moment, Thodé is senior lecturer at the lawyers’ faculty of the University of Aruba. Johnson, who is still director of the secondary school in Saba, is also appointed for six years.
The 62-year former procurator general of the Antilles, Robert (Rob) Pietersz, will be appointed for six months as the new deputy procurator of the Public Prosecutor of Aruba on June 23. Pietersz’ appointment is provisional due to the lengthy absence of the procurator general of Aruba, Thérèse Croes-Fernandes and the running out of her substitute’s term, attorney general Nico Jörg.
Pietersz has already done this earlier for a period of nine months. He was also nominated for the function of PG before, but declined the honours. He has worked for the Central Bank in the past and was chairman of the Advisory Council of the Neth.Antilles.
The Minister Council for the Kingdom has also appointed Joost Veerman today as member of the Joint Court of Justice of the Neth.Antilles and Aruba. Veerman is still judge in the court of Arnhem. Peter van Schendel is reappointed as deputy member. Both appointments are for three years and take effect on August 1, 2008.

(Source: Amigoe)

June 13, 2008


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Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2012, 02:01:03 PM
RE:  The "Tunnel of Love" cave

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/106884-sluiting-grot-bleek-succes

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/03312012_Amigoe_TunnelOfLove.png)


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Post by: nonesuche on March 31, 2012, 11:38:56 PM
I did make it, Janet, and apologize for delaying the update. I've had a full plate lately, and a foot problem that has been giving me a fit, but enough of that................... Beth Holloway has got to be the most gracious person on earth!

My fiance went with me, and even though he hasn't followed the case nearly as closely as I (and certainly you guys) have, he was sincerely touched and impressed with Beth. There was a "meet and greet" before her presentation that required a purchased ticket, and I had bought those. Unfortunately, that was the height of my foot problem, and I just couldn't stay through it all. Beth was warmly and patiently speaking with those in attendance and I did get a chance to say hello and tell her that we at Scared Monkeys would always hold her and her daughter close to our hearts and in our prayers. She warmly expressed her gratitude and passed along a hug to all through me. 

We left and found seats for her presentation. Beth was both articulate and organized, and very down to earth. She looked beautiful......... much more so than in her pictures. She outlined the story and events that we are so familiar with, but I believe her focus was her mission now for the rest of her life. She is honoring Natalee by doing all she can to prevent another tragedy for another girl in similar circumstances.

Above all, I left with two very strong impressions: She loves (present tense on purpose) her daughter, and that love has made her strong. I didn't expect it, but somehow I don't think Beth had any idea of her strength before Natalee went missing. I say that because I don't think she's really aware of it even now. It shines through her and it's beautiful; strength born in pure love. It's funny, but before I could express it, John said the same thing. It's hard to put into words but it's a perfect blend with her faith and there is no doubt in my mind that the two reside in harmony within her soul. The pain that we all remember, the tortured mother that grabbed our hearts has given way to determination for good. I'm convinced that Beth is not doing this to work out anything unresolved. She's made her peace and peace has been given to her to move forward with resolve.

I suppose that's what I went for. More than anything I wanted to know how Beth was. For me, Beth was always central in this with Natalee. Natalee came alive for me through Beth. There was always something so "real" about Beth and it compelled us all as she went through pure Hell at the hands of Joran, Paulus, K2, Aruba and on and on and on. She is "real" still, and somehow she chose to turn even this, into good........ and it's about honoring her daughter.

Natalee became the world's daughter. Natalee has the highest definition of a Mother in Beth Holloway. God Bless Her!!

The fact that this forum really took it's start around this woman's plight is something we can all be proud of!

Klaas is right (again) CBB, you have such a way with words!  I'm so glad you were able to speak with Beth, and let her know that they will always be in our thoughts and prayers.  So sorry to hear you were having problems with your foot when you went, but I'm sure it was an experience that you will hold dear.  I'm praying that you will be well. 

I truly hope to get the chance to go hear Beth speak too one day.  God bless her!

Thanks for sharing!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyHeart::

CBB this is wonderful to read - I am so glad she was able to meet you, your warmth and kind heart represented the monkeys in a special way !   ::MonkeyKiss::


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Post by: texasmom on April 01, 2012, 12:45:35 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/45344-colombiano-deteni-patras-di-light-house-pa-sospecho-di-violacion

Papiamentu translation:

colombiano deteni behind light house for suspicion of violacion

saturday, 31 march 2012 15:16

one man of nacionalidad colombiano owing to stay deteni marduga relaciona cu suspicion of violacion contra one lady. the caso here owing to happen behind lighthouse. all cos is show cu the victima aruban y he colombiano conoce another. do not conoci what owing to conduci cu they owing to arrive so far cu he owing to go abusa of the muher. the muher is insisti cu past owing to wordo abusa sexualmente by of the colombiano. polisnan cu owing to go throw one view behind lighthouse is come achieve the colombiano still eytras in his car. this after cu the muher owing to beat alarma close police. morning the muher owing to present at keep of police for entega complaint. the car owing to stay confisca y he owing to stay close. naturally jzp have to take over because they're the departamento of cuerpo policial cu is haci investigacion on casonan of violacion. one test completo have to wordo haci also cu the lady aruban for so confirma cu was have violacion. the lady is insisti esey. in the dianan we fast will hear more of the caso here. polisnan owing to confisca the tercel grey cu he owing to take away the lady behind lighthouse in duinen. the car was stick in sand blanco in duinen y cu takelwagen have to owing to saca this. cuerpo tecnico of police also was tey for try coy the evidencianan necesario.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on April 01, 2012, 03:09:59 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



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Post by: grace-land on April 01, 2012, 11:02:45 AM
http://diariocorreo.pe/nota/77937/joran-van-der-sloot-podria-volver-a-estados-unidos/

Google translation

Joran Van Der Sloot could return to the US
March 31, 2012 | 4:40 pm
Vanessa Rossi - web@grupoepensa.pe

Lima -
More than two months after being sentenced to 28 years in prison for the murder of Stephany Flores, Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot, could return to America after the Peruvian justice admitted extradition proceedings for the offense of extortion and fraud in the case of the young Nathaly Holloway.

The U.S. justice formalized extradition of Van Der Sloot as a document of 22 Criminal Court in the resolution of January 30, 2012, indicating to admit the request for extradition from Van Der Sloot on charges of extortion and fraud in the case of the missing American girl.
 ::snipping2::
However, the lawyer for the family of Stephany Flores, Eduard Alvarez denied that meets the extradition on the grounds that "when a person is in the Peruvian state under investigation and there were a request for extradition, it must be postponed until the person, completed its judgment, has been acquitted or has served his sentence. "Thus, Van Der Sloot would have to be extradited within 28 years of serving their sentence.


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Post by: grace-land on April 01, 2012, 11:26:36 AM
http://larevista.aqpsoluciones.com/2012/04/01/ee-uu-pide-a-joran-van-der-sloot/

Google translation

U.S. asks Joran Van der Sloot
April 1, 2012 8:02 pm

 ::snipping2::
The U.S. justice formalized extradition of Van der Sloot as a document of 22 Criminal Court in the resolution of January 30, 2012, indicating to admit the request for extradition from Van Der Sloot on charges of extortion and fraud in the case of Holloway.
 
As recalled in May 2005 Holloway disappeared Nathaly student Van der Sloot and his family demanded $ 25,000 to reveal where they find the corpse. But Van der Sloot did not comply and the United States formalized the request for provisional arrest for extradition to the Peruvian state.   ::snipping2::



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Post by: jamcakes on April 01, 2012, 11:49:08 AM
It's always good to have that extradition warrant in place, IMO, even though I believe JvdS's request for appeal on his sentence will be denied.

I can also understand Stephany's Father wanting Joran to spend his full sentence in Peru before extradition to the USA.


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Post by: texasmom on April 01, 2012, 11:52:18 AM
http://www.ohio.com/news/local-news/mother-of-alabama-teen-who-disappeared-in-aruba-to-speak-in-canton-1.287889

Mother of Alabama teen who disappeared in Aruba to speak in Canton

Akron Beacon Journal staff report

Published: March 31, 2012 - 11:29 PM

CANTON: The Soroptimist International Midwestern Region Conference will feature Beth Holloway at 7 p.m. Friday, April 27, at the Canton McKinley Grand Hotel, 320 Market Ave. S.

Holloway’s presentation Victim to Victor will give her the opportunity to reach Northeast Ohio audiences with her story of endurance in the face of personal crisis. Holloway is the mother of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teen who disappeared during a senior trip to Aruba in May 2005.

 ::snipping2::

Tickets will be available online starting April 1 at www.bestforwomencanton.org or call 330-416-4567.


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Post by: texasmom on April 01, 2012, 11:58:04 AM
http://www.bestforwomencanton.org/#!about (http://www.bestforwomencanton.org/#!about)

Soroptimist clubs to bring Beth Holloway, mother of missing teen, to Canton

On Friday, April 27, at 7:00pm, Beth Holloway will present her story at the Soroptimist International Midwestern Region conference at Canton’s McKinley Grand Hotel.  Beth is the mother of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teen who disappeared during a senior trip to Aruba in May 2005.  In the seven years since this tragic story made national and international headlines, Beth has addressed audiences worldwide about her experience, sharing her message of hope, faith, and personal safety.  The April 27th event, open to the public with limited seating available, will provide Holloway the opportunity to reach Northeast Ohio audiences with her remarkable story of perseverance and courage.  Her message of endurance in the face of great personal crisis will leave those in attendance feeling empowered to reach further in their own missions. 

Of her experience, Holloway says, “In the past five years I’ve certainly learned a great deal about things I never wanted to learn.  Being a teacher, I found myself asking ‘What can I teach others from our tragic lessons? What can I do for others who have done so much for us?’  And for me this was the transition from Victim to Victor.”

Beth Holloway—a speech pathologist for children with special needs for 22 years before Natalee’s disappearance—has appeared on every television network in the nation including ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, FOX, MSNBC and CNBC, as well as on international TV; and she has appeared in numerous magazine and newspaper articles here and abroad.  She captured the world’s attention as she searched for her missing daughter. 

Barbara Walters selected Beth Holloway as one of the world’s most fascinating people for her perseverance in seeking answers to what happened to Natalee.  Although a court ruling in January 2012 officially declared Natalee dead, Beth Holloway continues her quest for answers in disagreement with the court’s decision. 

Beth continues to work on educating the public on personal safety and travel safety through her book “Loving Natalee,” and through her Travel Ed Workshops.  Holloway works tirelessly to bring hope to the families of those who have been victimized by mysterious abductions or disappearances of loved ones through her Lifetime television series, Vanished with Beth Holloway. 

She is a dedicated teacher committed to sharing Natalee’s story so that others may learn from it.  Tickets to the presentation, Victim to Victor, are available online through the Soroptimist International of Canton/Stark County website – www.bestforwomencanton.org, or by phone at 330.416.4567. 

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Post by: texasmom on April 01, 2012, 12:25:10 PM
https://www.facebook.com/notes/soroptimist-canton-stark/soroptimist-clubs-to-bring-beth-holloway-mother-of-missing-teen-to-canton/294646520607865

Soroptimist clubs to bring Beth Holloway, mother of missing teen, to Canton
by Soroptimist Canton Stark on Thursday, March 22, 2012 at 1:11pm

 ::snipping2::

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Post by: texasmom on April 01, 2012, 12:43:43 PM
http://www.bestforwomencanton.org/#!about (http://www.bestforwomencanton.org/#!about)

From the YouTube

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Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2012, 05:48:45 PM
http://www.ohio.com/news/local-news/mother-of-alabama-teen-who-disappeared-in-aruba-to-speak-in-canton-1.287889

Mother of Alabama teen who disappeared in Aruba to speak in Canton

Akron Beacon Journal staff report

Published: March 31, 2012 - 11:29 PM

CANTON: The Soroptimist International Midwestern Region Conference will feature Beth Holloway at 7 p.m. Friday, April 27, at the Canton McKinley Grand Hotel, 320 Market Ave. S.

Holloway’s presentation Victim to Victor will give her the opportunity to reach Northeast Ohio audiences with her story of endurance in the face of personal crisis. Holloway is the mother of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teen who disappeared during a senior trip to Aruba in May 2005.

 ::snipping2::

Tickets will be available online starting April 1 at www.bestforwomencanton.org or call 330-416-4567.


From Victim to Victor - Bristol - March 22, 2012

Natalee Holloway's mother speaks at Bristol Public Library
Published: March 23, 2012


Holloway said she gave up hope her daughter would be found alive after finally seeing surveillance video that didn’t show Natalee returning to the hotel in a car, as van der Sloot had said. After viewing the tapes, Holloway frantically left the hotel in search of a church. She found a row of crosses.

“I came upon a beautiful cross and fell down on my knees and cried out to God to please give her back,” Holloway said, as many in the audience wiped away tears. “I took pebbles from the ground and rubbed them across her picture – praying, crying and begging God to give her back. After being numb for days, there was pain, torturous pain. I went to each cross, knelt down and repeated my prayer."

“As I reached the fifth cross, the answer to these prayers came: complete peace blanketed me. And, in that instant, I knew that Natalee was with God. Somehow I knew that the moment she got into the backseat of that car, her heavenly Father wrapped His loving arms around her and cared for her through whatever ordeal she encountered that night. The wind blew – and I felt Natalee – and I promised to never give up searching for her.”

<snipped>

A former teacher, Holloway said her mission now is to educate others about the potential dangers of traveling abroad and urging them to take certain steps to safeguard themselves.

“We don’t teach our children these things because we live in fear, but because it’s not a safe world,” Holloway said. “It might not be safe at home – in an Internet chat room – and it might not be safe on an exotic island trip with friends. What I really want our children and young adults to hear is that their personal safety is up to them.”

On Thursday afternoon, Holloway took that message directly to about 600 Tennessee High School seniors and juniors. She talked, in graphic detail, about what she experienced searching for her daughter and the circumstances that likely befell Natalee the night before she was scheduled to fly home to America.

<snipped>

“To make the transition from victim to victor, I made a choice to turn what I’ve learned through a tragedy into a learning experience for others. My audience is global, but even if I only reach one individual with my message – a student, a parent, a traveler, you – then I’ve become the victor over all the sorrow and the pain,” Holloway said.

To those ends, she has established the International Safe Travels Foundation, a nonprofit organization designed to educate the public about traveling safely overseas. The Natalee Holloway Resource Center, which opened two years ago in the National Museum of Crime and Punishment, was set up to aid families of missing persons. Beth Holloway previously hosted a TV show about missing persons, and her book was made into two TV movies.

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2012/mar/23/natalee-holloways-mother-speaks-bristol-public-lib-ar-1787274/


From Victim to Victor - Waterford - January 14, 2011

Beth Holloway: From Victim To Victor
A Tale Of Caution And Resiliency Presented To Waterford
January 14, 2011


On May 25, 2005, one day after graduating from high school, 18-year-old Natalee Holloway was headed out the door for her senior trip. Her mother asked her if she had her sunscreen, passport and so on.

“At first, ‘yes, ma’am,’ then finally, ‘yes, Mom!' " said Beth Holloway, recalling the words of her daughter, who had grown tired of the questioning.

So Beth backed off and watched her daughter get into a car headed to the airport. Natalee was off to Aruba with her classmates on a four-day excursion before getting ready to head to the University of Alabama on a full scholarship.

It would be the last time Beth Holloway would ever see her daughter.           

“After all I went through, I have every right to get in a hole and never get out,” Holloway said. “But I have chosen not to do that. We have choices on how to live our lives.”

On Thursday night in front of hundreds of people in the Waterford High School auditorium, Holloway told her story of pain and suffering, and her frustration at the Aruba police departments. More than five years after Natalee disappeared, the case remains unsolved.

On May 30, the last day of the senior trip, Natalee Holloway went to Carlos’n Charlie’s, a popular nightclub. There, Holloway met 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, who reportedly bought her alcoholic drinks, including a shot of Bacardi 151, which has nearly twice the alcohol level of a normal shot.

Then, things become blurry. Holloway went into Van der Sloot’s car and then they engaged in sexual activities. It is not known if the sex was consensual. Everything after that is completely unknown, except one thing: Nobody has seen Natalee Holloway since.

Police Response

Once Beth Holloway received word later that day that her daughter had not arrived at the airport, panic struck.

"In that moment I got the call that all parents dread the minute our child is born,” Holloway said. “From that day, my life was changed forever.”

Holloway immediately flew to Aruba to search for her daughter. She contacted Aruban police, although soon realized they would be little help.

The police said to wait, that she would be returned home when the crack addicts who likely abducted her ran through her money, Holloway said. Police told her it was common for crack addicts to kidnap tourists, get them high on crack, steal their money and credit cards and then drop them back off at Carlos’n Charlie’s, Holloway said.

Refusing to just sit and wait, Holloway went on the offensive. She went to dozens upon dozens of crack houses looking for her daughter, only to find nothing.

Holloway soon heard of Van der Sloot, the last person to see Natalee Holloway alive. She confronted him, eager for details.

Van der Sloot said he had sex with Natalee Holloway, and then dropped her off at her hotel. Hotel security footage never showed Natalee Holloway return that night, Beth Holloway said.

Van der Sloot was eventually taken into custody by Aruban police, where he gave 22 different versions of what happened that night, Holloway said. Still, no search warrant was ever granted to search his home, and he was never formally charged with any crime.

Throughout this initial phase, Holloway did not shower, barely slept and hardly ate. After the original four days of constant searching for her daughter, and getting nowhere with police, Holloway began to break down mentally and physically.

“After being numb for so many days there was pain now, torturous pain,” she said.  "I knew I had to find a place to pray.”

She tracked down a cab, which took her to a chapel. There, Holloway kneeled and begged for answers.

“I know in that moment, Natalee was with God,” Holloway said. “And I (was) in peace.”

Holloway would continue the search, and continues to this day. Nobody has ever been charged with any crime related to the disappearance, and Natalee’s body was never found.

Beth Holloway’s Mission

On Thursday, Beth Holloway did not speak to Waterford residents just to rehash the mystery surrounding her daughter’s disappearance. She also pushed for people to take care of themselves and have a plan of action when going anywhere, especially out of the country.

“Our children must know their personal safety is up to them,” Holloway said. “(Teenagers are) too old to be guarded by us, but too young not to be reminded that there are dangerous people and dangerous places.”

Holloway pushed her “360 full safety plan,” where teenagers should not just plan where they are going, but how they are getting home. She also started the Natalee Holloway Research Center at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment to aid families of missing persons and Mayday 360, a service that gives legal, political and police resources to Americans overseas.

The inspiration to keep working, and to keep telling her story is fueled by her daughter, Holloway said. If she can just make one person safer, make just one person more aware of problems that can happen, it is all worth it, Holloway said.

“Natalee had real hope,” she said. “The hope that filled her life, now fills mine.”

<snipped>

http://waterford.patch.com/articles/from-victim-to-victor-a-tale-of-caution-and-resiliency

s.t.

 :smt060



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Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2012, 12:19:47 AM
http://bearingpointcaribbean.com/news/hoofdofficier-blanken-waarnemend-pg-aruba/

From Amigoe

Google translation:

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Acting Chief Whites Blanken PG Aruba

THURSDAY, 22 MARCH 2012

ORANGE CITY - Chief Peter Blanken of the Public Prosecutor (OM) is temporarily acting Prosecutor General (PG). This spokesperson Ann Angela this morning in a press release 'for clarity' published. Late last month was the then Attorney-General Rob Pietersz retired. Last week the OM also took leave of Advocate General Taco Stein. He goes to St. Maarten and begins in April as Advocate General. Rather let the TO know that they the government have nominated a candidate for the position of Advocate General. A name has not yet been disclosed. The function of PG is based on nomination appointed by the Joint Court. This application process do not need to be attended to.


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Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2012, 10:42:04 PM
https://www.facebook.com/foxyladyaruba?sk=wall

Alex Mathew
ATTORNEYS GOING INTERNATIONAL

Attorney Zara has invited all members of the Aruban Media and all members of the Parliament individually, to this very important Conference on Thursday the 29th of March 2012 at 11 A.M. This Press Conference is scheduled to be held at his office located at Palm Beach 33-B, Noord, Aruba. Due to the seriousness of this matter I do hope that the Prime Minister of Aruba along with all other Ministers do attend this very important conference in the benefit of Aruba.

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Share · March 23
Barry January likes this.

Kath Mazzocchi-Drenga Whoaaaa I can only imagine who some of those people are, and they also swept Natalee under the rug too. Wish I could be there.
March 23 at 7:50pm


http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/106793-ik-heb-geen-toegang-tot-alle-dossiers-in-strea-zaak

Google translation:

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Note:  "Whites"=Blanken, his name gets changed in translation

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/107061-om-geen-drugs-in-huis-mathew

Google translation:

TO: "No drugs in the house Mathew '         

MONDAY, APRIL 2, 2012 6:01 P.M.

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) denies the drugs were found in the home of Alex Mathew, during his arrest in connection with trafficking in Foxy Lady strip club. According to Deputy Prosecutor General (PG) Peter Mathew Whites do the allegations because of the upcoming treatment of those Strea case.

At least one Russian strippers according to Mathew have a half pounds of heroin hidden in his house, denies that they have done, says Whites.

"Mathew, this allegation has already been expressed," allows Whites to Amigoe know. "We certainly have no information about drugs found in his house. One Russian ladies whom he accuses drugs in his house to have laid, during interrogation also denied that this was the case. The other lady has yet to be heard, "said Whites. Mathew Thursday said at a news conference that two strippers from the club Foxy Lady, together with the police, half a kilo of heroin in his house had hidden. After his arrest would Criminal Investigation Team (RST) have taken the drugs again. The magistrate, according to Mathew not have to hear about drugs that were found and Mathew was never accused of drug possession. That is Mathew itself remarkable.


No obstacles g

As a prime suspect in the case Strea Mathew Thursday also voiced accusations Stempher Case officer Lars. Thus Stempher against Mathew said he still Foxy Lady by another could be run, since he permits for strip tent had. Also, the OM defense of Mathew impediments include documents to withhold access to witnesses and to impede. Whites denies all these allegations. "There is absolutely no obstacle. Fact is that some people are difficult to track. We now have two or three letters rogatory run for interrogations. "Whites says that all requests for witnesses by the lawyers of Mathew had been treated.

All witnesses are heard by the magistrate (RC). "In addition, questions were asked of both the OM and the defense," said Whites. He says that the magistrate should note that the questions of both sides are discussed. "If questions are deleted, then that is because of efficiency. The magistrate is also controlled by the trial judge. If it decides that the RC has done his job properly, then the whole interrogation procedure. As far as I know, the trial judge so far do not intervene in this matter. "

Whites reiterates that all complaints of Mathew during the pro-forma sessions had to be brought forward. "This is the place to do it."


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Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2012, 11:50:06 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 02, 2012, 11:58:37 PM
Hello Wreck  ::HelloKitty::  I see you're checking in for news here in Natalee's thread.  Samantha Koenig's body was found and recovered today.  I really wish Natalee could be found and brought back to Alabama for burial.  I know it would mean so much to Beth to have that.  ::MonkeyAngel::  Link to Samantha Koenig's thread: 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12707.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 03, 2012, 12:28:43 AM
 ::MonkeyTears::


THE PERSISTENCE BETRAYAL

A Major WTF

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Surely I Am Wrong

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


Irrsponsible Investigating

private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


Additional Evidence for the Arubans to Destroy

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245

s.t.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 03, 2012, 12:32:41 AM

(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ppl_hollowaynatalee_1107.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on April 03, 2012, 10:17:35 AM
I guess the author never saw or read what we did.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Zimmerman supporters are blaming the victim
By D. Barbara McWhite – March 27, 2012



D. Barbara McWhite grew up in York County, S.C., and lives in Orange Park, Fla., with her husband and cat. Her column is published here each Tuesday. Opinions expressed are solely her own.

A full month after the slaying of Trayvon Martin, there is still no arrest in the case. The shooter, George Zimmerman, is in hiding, saying he fears for his life amid mass protests and the New Black Panthers' $10,000 bounty for his “capture.”

And as calls for justice in the case continue to swell, Zimmerman supporters, seeking to add credence to his account of the shooting, have begun to dig up disparaging information on Trayvon, based on his school records and Facebook and Twitter accounts.

Zimmerman supporters criticized early pictures shown in news reports that depicted the teen as young, fresh-faced and innocent, so they have presented what are purported to be more mature and unkempt images of the young man -- one in which Trayvon is seen with a mouth full of gold teeth; in another he is shirtless and with pants sagging. In one purported Facebook picture, Trayvon is allegedly seen with his middle finger erect on both hands.
 ::snipping2::

Zimmerman supporters, in online blogs, point out to protesters that they weren't present when Trayvon was killed, so they are ignorant of the facts. They also point to Trayvon’s alleged marijuana use, gold teeth and his demeanor on alleged Facebook pictures as proof that he had a thug mentality and was fully capable of the violent behavior that Zimmerman accuses him of.

I believe it is fair that Trayvon's past be investigated, just as George Zimmerman's past is being scrutinized. But the irrational attempts to justify the killing of this young man by insinuating that he brought death upon himself because he looked, dressed or posed in a certain way is repugnant and evil.

Meanwhile, we don't know whether George Zimmerman was intoxicated on the night of the killing because Sandford police failed to test him for alcohol or drugs. We do know that Zimmerman was a cop wannabe and that he had made numerous calls to 911 over the last several months.

We know that Zimmerman made disparaging and possibly racist comments as he stalked Trayvon through the housing complex.

I don't need to defend or justify Trayvon Martin against these accusations. It is irrelevant whether he smoked marijuana. It is irrelevant if he wore a gold grill. It is even irrelevant if it is indeed him pictured giving the finger on Facebook. As a parent, I condemn these practices. But if we were to execute all who have been guilty of any or all of the above, I dare say, the world would be a decidedly empty place.

What is relevant is that on the date of his death, Trayvon was in his family's neighborhood. He was on common property. He was not in the act of committing a crime. Police have not claimed that he was anything other than sober.

What is relevant is that by George Zimmerman's own admission, Trayvon was profiled based on his clothing and his race and assigned the label "suspicious." He was followed, questioned by an adult who outweighed him by more than 100 pounds and who was armed with a gun.

And finally the boy was killed.

When I think back to the Natalie Holloway murder and how it consumed America's news for months, I don't remember hearing attempts to sully her reputation. No one asked why she was drinking. No one asked if drugs were involved. No one questioned what she wore. No one asked why she would leave a bar with a complete stranger. No one tried to say that she brought about her own demise because of her looks or behavior. And rightfully so.

It is never right to blame the victim for the crime committed against him or her. The deranged and evil killer who took the life of Natalie Holloway killed her not because of who she was but because of who he was. Yet Joran Vandersloot was protected and sheltered from the law by his parents, his supporters and by the Aruban legal system that seemed bent on protecting it's own while devaluing the life of the "outsider." The killer, Vandersloot, was saved from prosecution by those who perverted the law and used their influence and money to stand between him and justice.

The result was that five years to the day after Holloway's disappearance, Vandersloot savagely claimed another victim. Justice finally prevailed in that instance, but the price paid was the life of another young girl.

It is said that the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, especially recent past behavior. And given the information that has surfaced thus far, I am more concerned about the erratic and irrational behavior of the adult, George Zimmerman, than I am about the teenage behaviors of Trayvon Martin.

Laws exist to punish criminal behavior, to deter crime and to protect society from those who would go outside of the law to abuse and harm us.

Zimmerman's supporters are using irrelevant information in an attempt to muddy the water in this case, thereby allowing a killer to escape just punishment for his crime.

And to George Zimmerman supporters I say, if Vandersloot tactics are used to keep George Zimmerman from answering for this crime, the next child he kills might well be yours.

http://www.qcitymetro.com/living/articles/zimmerman_supporters_are_blaming_the_victim080508939.cfm


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 03, 2012, 12:55:04 PM
VIDEO] For sale: the hard drive of Joran van der Sloot
 Paul Ruven, Dutch director that movie Me & Mr.. Jones made ​​a very special offer received last week. According to his own, he can say the hard drive of the laptop of Joran van der Sloot buy. Ruven said to have been mailed by someone in Australia, asking if he was interested.

 In late Shownews Ruven some prints to see that he has been sent. Thus, there on the laptop pictures of Joran with ex-lovers are even snapshots of Joran and Natalee Holloway together.

 Click here for video!

http://www.bruno.nl/nieuws/12160/video-te-koop-de-harde-schijf-van-joran-van-der-sloot.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 03, 2012, 12:57:28 PM
"Joran van der Sloot with Carlo and Irene 'by our editorial staff
 AMSTERDAM - Crime reporter John van den Heuvel led to confusion on Sunday when he Joran the TV studio of Carlo Boszhard and Irene Moors brought inside.

 Joran van der Sloot is locked up in the Peruvian prison Piedras Gordas, but during the broadcast of the program Life4You he walked with John van den Heuvel, the TV studio. The crime reporter was 'Joran' firmly.

 After one minute presenter Carlo and Irene told that a 1 april joke. "This is Joran doppelganger Bernard," said Irene Moors.

 The look-alike says he is not difficult cases because of its appearance. "People often say, 'You sure Joran, but I get a little annoying reactions," says Bernard.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/prive/11828252/___Joran_vlucht_naar_Carlo_en_Irene___.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 03, 2012, 01:00:35 PM
Van der Sloot happy with transfer

 Utrecht (AP) - Joran van der Sloot is satisfied with his transfer to a different environment in the Piedras Gordas prison in Peru. In this new place since last week he sits with other prisoners. But he is not in one of the so-called pavilions with many other prisoners, let his lawyer Jose Luis Jimenez Navarro know Friday.

 According to Van der Sloot's lawyer is still not happy with his transfer of the Miguel Castro Castro prison to Piedras Gordas. This happened just after he in January to 28 years in prison was sentenced. Jimenez Navarro wrote this letter to the Peruvian prison authorities INPE where he asked Van der Sloot to bring back to its previous prison.

 The INPE, according to the lawyer has not responded. How many other prisoners, Van der Sloot is now located, Jimenez Navarro not know exactly. A spokesman for the INPE can not confirm the transfer, because such information in their own words they do not get the Piedras Gordas prison.

http://utrecht.nieuws.nl/nieuws/61168


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 03, 2012, 01:05:35 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot could return to the U.S.

 Lima - More than two months after being sentenced to 28 years in prison for the murder of Stephany Flores, Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot, could return to America after the Peruvian justice admitted extradition proceedings for the offense of extortion and fraud in the case of the young Nathaly Holloway.

 The U.S. justice formalized extradition of Van Der Sloot as a document of 22 Criminal Court in the resolution of January 30, 2012, indicating to admit the request for extradition from Van Der Sloot on charges of extortion and fraud in the case of the missing American girl.

 In May 2005 Holloway disappeared Nathaly Van Der Sloot would exgido his family $ 25,000 to show where they find the corpse. But Van Der Sloot and the United States never formally met the request for provisional arrest for the purpose of extadición the Peruvian state.

 However, the lawyer for the family of Stephany Flores, Eduard Alvarez denied that meets the extradition on the grounds that "when a person is in the Peruvian state under investigation and there were a request for extradition, it must be postponed until the person, completed its judgment, has been acquitted or has served his sentence. "Thus, Van Der Sloot would have to be extradited within 28 years of serving their sentence.

http://diariocorreo.pe/nota/77937/joran-van-der-sloot-podria-volver-a-estados-unidos/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 03, 2012, 01:09:32 PM
Video
Hard drive laptop Joran offered "Film director Paul Ruven said to have the hard drive of the laptop of Joran van der Sloot. He was sent by someone from Australia, asking if he was interested in the material ... (with images from hard drive)

http://www.shownieuws.tv/video/harde-schijf-van-laptop-joran-aangeboden/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 03, 2012, 05:45:50 PM
Video
Hard drive laptop Joran offered "Film director Paul Ruven said to have the hard drive of the laptop of Joran van der Sloot. He was sent by someone from Australia, asking if he was interested in the material ... (with images from hard drive)

http://www.shownieuws.tv/video/harde-schijf-van-laptop-joran-aangeboden/


http://meandmrjonesonnataleeisland.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on April 03, 2012, 06:17:15 PM
Video
Hard drive laptop Joran offered "Film director Paul Ruven said to have the hard drive of the laptop of Joran van der Sloot. He was sent by someone from Australia, asking if he was interested in the material ... (with images from hard drive)

http://www.shownieuws.tv/video/harde-schijf-van-laptop-joran-aangeboden/


http://meandmrjonesonnataleeisland.blogspot.com/

The little tiny pics of Joran and Natalee look like the pics we saw years ago where Natalee is dancing at one of the parties in Mtn Brook and Joran is photoshopped in.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 03, 2012, 06:37:59 PM
Video
Hard drive laptop Joran offered "Film director Paul Ruven said to have the hard drive of the laptop of Joran van der Sloot. He was sent by someone from Australia, asking if he was interested in the material ... (with images from hard drive)

http://www.shownieuws.tv/video/harde-schijf-van-laptop-joran-aangeboden/


http://meandmrjonesonnataleeisland.blogspot.com/

The little tiny pics of Joran and Natalee look like the pics we saw years ago where Natalee is dancing at one of the parties in Mtn Brook and Joran is photoshopped in.

Yes, some of them we've seen.  Some do seem to be family shots that I haven't seen.  Maybe Anita is trying to make more money.  :smt102

I certainly don't think there will be anything of value related to the location of Natalee...unless it's typed out scripts of his latest tales.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on April 03, 2012, 08:33:00 PM
O/T Hoping that all of our Texas monkeys are safe...waiting for you to check in.  :smt069


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: wreck on April 03, 2012, 08:48:55 PM
O/T Hoping that all of our Texas monkeys are safe...waiting for you to check in.  :smt069

Alright here!! For the damage and dramatic footage -- it was not as deadly as it could have been!! EXCELLENT storm warnings by our media. They are saying 12 different tornados touched down in the Metroplex. A couple just within 2 miles of me.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 03, 2012, 09:47:37 PM
O/T Hoping that all of our Texas monkeys are safe...waiting for you to check in.  :smt069

Alright here!! For the damage and dramatic footage -- it was not as deadly as it could have been!! EXCELLENT storm warnings by our media. They are saying 12 different tornados touched down in the Metroplex. A couple just within 2 miles of me.  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyEek::  12?!!  And a couple within 2 miles of you?  Scarey stuff!  I'm glad you're alright Wreck. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: wreck on April 03, 2012, 09:57:34 PM
Quote
Several tractor trailers were seen being thrown into the air. Dr. Forbes: "Imagine a tractor trailer dropping into you back yard ,a total scene of chaos, total devastation.

(http://i.imwx.com/web/news/2012/march/tornado_throws_truck.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 03, 2012, 10:01:33 PM
Quote
Several tractor trailers were seen being thrown into the air. Dr. Forbes: "Imagine a tractor trailer dropping into you back yard ,a total scene of chaos, total devastation.

(http://i.imwx.com/web/news/2012/march/tornado_throws_truck.jpg)

That's really frightening, Wreck.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on April 03, 2012, 10:34:23 PM
Good to hear that you're safe, wreck!  ::MonkeyDance::

It looked like a terrible storm, and tornadoes near you?  ::MonkeyShocked::

Now we need more good news from Peru and Dr. Phil!  ::boxingjoran::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 04, 2012, 12:22:52 AM
O/T Hoping that all of our Texas monkeys are safe...waiting for you to check in.  :smt069

Alright here!! For the damage and dramatic footage -- it was not as deadly as it could have been!! EXCELLENT storm warnings by our media. They are saying 12 different tornados touched down in the Metroplex. A couple just within 2 miles of me.  ::MonkeyEek::


So glad you are safe, Wreck!!  What's up with all these tornados?  Scary!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 04, 2012, 12:27:23 AM
Has anybody heard from our lovely TM?   
I didn't hear of it being in her area, but still I worry.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2012, 02:36:44 AM
Has anybody heard from our lovely TM?   
I didn't hear of it being in her area, but still I worry.   ::MonkeyCool::

I'm o.k.!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes, it was in our area too all afternoon and evening.  Haven't heard thunder in about an hour now, thank goodness.  Scary night!  The storms were really bad, heard hail a few times but no tornado...so thankful!  There were a few that were just too close for comfort. 

So relieved to see that Wreck checked in, I was worried about him...my family in Mississippi even called to check on me when they saw the footage from his area! 

Hearing thunder again, I'll be glad when this is over!   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2012, 03:51:49 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 04, 2012, 09:01:12 AM
Has anybody heard from our lovely TM?   
I didn't hear of it being in her area, but still I worry.   ::MonkeyCool::

I'm o.k.!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes, it was in our area too all afternoon and evening.  Haven't heard thunder in about an hour now, thank goodness.  Scary night!  The storms were really bad, heard hail a few times but no tornado...so thankful!  There were a few that were just too close for comfort. 

So relieved to see that Wreck checked in, I was worried about him...my family in Mississippi even called to check on me when they saw the footage from his area! 

Hearing thunder again, I'll be glad when this is over!   ::MonkeyEek::


I'm glad to hear you're okay TM.   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: grace-land on April 04, 2012, 03:41:45 PM
Welcome back, texasmom!   ::MonkeyDance::  I hope that today is calm and sunny by you!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2012, 04:12:02 PM
Thanks MuffyBee and Graceland!   ::MonkeyKiss::

It's absolutely beautiful here today so far....it's heating up though; hoping that won't mean more storms later!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2012, 04:14:30 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/107195-persons-rescued-after-small-aircraft-crashes-at-sea-

Persons rescued after small aircraft crashes at sea         

TUESDAY, 3 APRIL 2012 10:56

ORANJESTAD — Around nine-thirty this morning a small aircraft with two Brazilians on board crashed at sea just 20 miles northeast of Aruba. Both were rescued and are uninjured, according to initial reports.Red alert was sounded around nine-fifteen at Reina Beatrix Airport because the pilot of a small passenger aircraft en route from Fort Lauderdale to Curaçao, said he running out of fuel. Because Aruba was nearby, the pilot decided to fly to our island. However, he was unable to reach land and the aircraft crashed off the coast.

Red alert

 ::snipping2::

The Rescue and Coordination Center (RCC) of the Coastguard Caribbean area immediately swung into action and sent several units, including the ship H.M. Amsterdam from the Royal Navy, to the location. The police, harbor authority, Valero and rescue brigade Sarfa had also sent units to offer assistance. Incidentally, the frigate hadn’t been far from where the aircraft had crashed. Commander Jan van Zanten said the Lynx-helicopter from the frigate arrived at the scene within 20 minutes. The two victims, a pilot and co-pilot, were able to climb out of the aircraft and into a life raft by themselves. The helicopter had hoisted the men from the water and took them aboard where they were examined by the medical staff. According to Defense spokesperson Vanessa Strijbosch, the victims are fine considering the circumstances.

Intact

During a hastily convened press conference on the accident, Premier Mike Eman (AVP) said this morning that the aircraft had remained relatively intact. The intention was to hoist the aircraft on board the navy frigate, if possible, said Eman. However, after the press conference, Defense reported that the aircraft had sunk in the meantime. It was a private aircraft of the brand Beechcraft: a twin-engine propeller aircraft with a range of almost 2500 kilometers.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2012, 04:41:50 PM
This is regarding the car accident where two Dutch soldiers died.

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba?start=25

Google translation:

TO: Military drove "extremely unsafe"

TUESDAY, APRIL 3, 2012 10:05

ORANGE CITY - The 24-year-old soldier is suspected of "extremely unsafe" and under the influence of alcohol have driven. He took probably true that is prohibited, with possible high speed. Moreover, he drove without insurance and improper plates.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2012, 05:04:12 PM
http://www.arubaherald.com/local/2249-passengers-surprised-by-irresponsible-airport-immigration-walk-out-superiors-take-over.html

Passengers surprised by irresponsible airport immigration walk out, superiors take over         

Wednesday, 04 April 2012 14:46
 
Immigration officers at Aruba's Beatrix International Airport decided to organize a "walk out" at the airport Wednesday afternoon leaving long rows of tourists waiting for service at the US Departures building.

Immigration officers left passengers leaving on, among others, Copa Airlines, Jet Blue and United Airlines, standing on line, while they sought to get the attention of authorities.

 ::snipping2::

During the busy midday to afternoon hours passengers are either arriving from or departing to Panama, Caracas, Sint Maarten, Maracaibo, Curacao, Newark, Atlanta and Boston. In addition, the airport was also somewhat busier than usual because of increased passenger traffic for Easter Weekend.

Fortunately, service was resumed by the immigration officers' superiors who stepped in as soon as they noticed something was wrong. Although service was slower than usual because of the lack of a full team, they were handling passengers as fast as possible to not delay the normal process and the flights too much.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on April 05, 2012, 03:09:32 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/stephany_mariaelena.jpg)

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 05, 2012, 11:12:40 AM
Mother of Alabama teen who disappeared in Aruba to speak in Canton

CANTON: The Soroptimist International Midwestern Region Conference will feature Beth Holloway at 7 p.m. Friday, April 27, at the Canton McKinley Grand Hotel, 320 Market Ave. S.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.ohio.com/news/local-news/mother-of-alabama-teen-who-disappeared-in-aruba-to-speak-in-canton-1.287889


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 06, 2012, 06:45:53 PM
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


Blessed Assurance

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Pages 100-103
: I rise and make my way up the hillside to the next cross and the next one and the next, repeating my prayers.

I am looking to the sky, which is growing bluer as dawn breaks, and talking to God.  And as I reach the fifth cross, the answer to these prayers comes.  Complete peace blankets me, and I am still.  It's a familiar feeling, yet unknown to me like this before now.  It comes in total stillness.  Silence. And in this instant I know that Natalee is with God.

I understand that from the moment she got into Deepak Kalpoe's car her heavenly Father wrapped His loving arms around her and cared for her through whatever ordeal she encountered that night.  I don't know if she is alive or not, but I know that He is with her.

He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years.  Now I must trust Him to care for her.  So I never ask Him why.  Why Natalee?  Why me?  I don't ask.  To do that undermines faith.  Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside.  God never questioned me when she was in my care.  I must not question Him.  I realize that He is as proud of her as I am.

Thoughts of Natalee's personal relationship with God comes to me.  He knows her very well.  And she knows Him.

Natalee was very active in the Community Ministry for Girls in Mountain Brook all four years throughout high school.  The founder and director, Donna Greene, shared a special moment with me just before graduation.  Following the very last Bible group meeting about two weeks or so ago Natalee told her friends to go on without her.  She was excited and glowing as she told Donna that she knew for certain that she had communicated with God.  She knew He had heard her.

Donna's first words of support when Natalee went missing were, "She knows how to call on God".  In these thoughts I received the blessed assurance from the Creator that rescues me.  And I am at peace.

The weight is gone.  I move to the next cross, making my way on up the hill stopping and praying at all fourteen crosses.  The Stations of the Cross.  The depiction of the walk Jesus made to His crucifixion.

The sun is up as I reach the top of the hill to see the Alto Vista chapel.  When I step onto the chapel grounds I am free, Liberated from the pain for a precious few moments.  The wind is blowing hard, and I feel Natalee.  I talk to her.  Promise to find her.  Get justice for her.  And pledge never to give up.  Never.

I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit.  Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible.  Mom is right; God is good.  All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over.  Not the work that has to be done.  Just the burden.  I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained.  And I am renewed, resilient.  Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me.  I will pick up one foot and put it down.  Then the other one will follow.  I will breathe.  There is much to be done.


THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE

Above All

Like a rose
Trampled on the ground
You took the fall
And thought of me
Above all

Artist: Michael W. Smith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=SzOgA2RV6Hs&NR=1


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2012, 02:23:27 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



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Post by: Kermit on April 07, 2012, 03:01:03 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 07, 2012, 01:04:34 PM
I did make it, Janet, and apologize for delaying the update. I've had a full plate lately, and a foot problem that has been giving me a fit, but enough of that................... Beth Holloway has got to be the most gracious person on earth!

My fiance went with me, and even though he hasn't followed the case nearly as closely as I (and certainly you guys) have, he was sincerely touched and impressed with Beth. There was a "meet and greet" before her presentation that required a purchased ticket, and I had bought those. Unfortunately, that was the height of my foot problem, and I just couldn't stay through it all. Beth was warmly and patiently speaking with those in attendance and I did get a chance to say hello and tell her that we at Scared Monkeys would always hold her and her daughter close to our hearts and in our prayers. She warmly expressed her gratitude and passed along a hug to all through me. 

We left and found seats for her presentation. Beth was both articulate and organized, and very down to earth. She looked beautiful......... much more so than in her pictures. She outlined the story and events that we are so familiar with, but I believe her focus was her mission now for the rest of her life. She is honoring Natalee by doing all she can to prevent another tragedy for another girl in similar circumstances.

Above all, I left with two very strong impressions: She loves (present tense on purpose) her daughter, and that love has made her strong. I didn't expect it, but somehow I don't think Beth had any idea of her strength before Natalee went missing. I say that because I don't think she's really aware of it even now. It shines through her and it's beautiful; strength born in pure love. It's funny, but before I could express it, John said the same thing. It's hard to put into words but it's a perfect blend with her faith and there is no doubt in my mind that the two reside in harmony within her soul. The pain that we all remember, the tortured mother that grabbed our hearts has given way to determination for good. I'm convinced that Beth is not doing this to work out anything unresolved. She's made her peace and peace has been given to her to move forward with resolve.

I suppose that's what I went for. More than anything I wanted to know how Beth was. For me, Beth was always central in this with Natalee. Natalee came alive for me through Beth. There was always something so "real" about Beth and it compelled us all as she went through pure Hell at the hands of Joran, Paulus, K2, Aruba and on and on and on. She is "real" still, and somehow she chose to turn even this, into good........ and it's about honoring her daughter.

Natalee became the world's daughter. Natalee has the highest definition of a Mother in Beth Holloway. God Bless Her!!

The fact that this forum really took it's start around this woman's plight is something we can all be proud of!

Thank you so much for your words, CBB.  They are beautiful.

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 07, 2012, 01:06:49 PM
Thanks CBB!  You have such a way with words.  I feel as though I was there with you.

Oh Klaas, I had the same feeling.

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 07, 2012, 06:03:41 PM
Wow  I am jealous.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 07, 2012, 06:04:46 PM
Thanks CBB!  You have such a way with words.  I feel as though I was there with you.

Oh Klaas, I had the same feeling.

 ::MonkeyAngel::



 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2012, 10:06:50 PM
A Father's Nightmare

In April, 2006 a book authored by the father of Natalee Holloway was released.  Dave Holloway shares with readers almost one year of desperately seeking answers to the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning his precious daughter went missing and was never seen again.
_____


ARUBA: THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
By Dave Holloway


Excerpts

Page 9:  In fact, he (Dennis Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.

Page 10:  While customers must pass by a bouncer at the door, there was no indication that he was stopping anyone from entering. The bar was packed with teenagers doing Jell-O shots and sleazy-looking island boys preying on the beautiful young female tourist.  ... I did not want to stay inside, so we hung out around the street corners. In less than two hours, we probably experienced at least ten to fifteen offers from various drug dealers who wanted us to buy from them.

Page 16:  During our daylight searches throughout the island, our group came across many abandoned houses where drug addicts had left razors and other drug paraphernalia. Some were filled with foul smelling odors, feces, urine, cardboard boxes they used as blankets or beds, and general trash. One of those houses was located right next to a fine restaurant near the hotel area and a McDonald’s.  ... Several times, people came into the hotel to meet with other locals and an apparent drug deal was taking place. The person would come in to scope out the area prior to doing the deal.

Page 182:  I asked Dompig to do the interview of Koen instead of having Jacobs do it. I became concerned because he said he would have to discuss it with Jacobs first. Several weeks later, I heard that Koens father had been interviewed, but Koen had not been questioned yet. I wondered if they were prepping the father to prep his son for questioning. That was something that seemed all to familiar.

Page 183:  It was a flowchart with all of the suspects and interested parties on it.  He (Art Wood) noticed that one person who we thought was a suspect, Lorenzo van Rijn, rumoured to be Joran’s half brother, was not on it.  We had been told that he might have had some connection to Natalee’s disappearance.  He is supposedly known on the island by the nickname Xtacy.  Art asked him (Dennis Jacobs) where Lorenzo was, and Jacobs said that Lorenzo had nothing to do with Natalee’s case, so he doesn’t have to be on the flow chart.  We left, and Art commented on Jacobs’ reaction.  There is talk in Aruba that Lorenzo is a known drug dealer who lives in a compound on the island with a remote-controlled sliding gate, television monitors, and razor wire all around the top of the fence.  Apparently, you cannot get into that place.  It looks like a prison camp.  Since Lorenzo is suppose to be related to Joran, if the boys got drugs to give Natalee, they may have gotten them from him.

Page 183:  I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.

Page 118-119:  I walked up to (Michael) Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions. He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2012, 10:15:05 PM
A Mother's Journey of Faith

In the Fall of 2007, a book authored by the mother of Natalee Holloway was released.  Beth Holloway shares with readers the heartbreak, the frustration and the desperations in her ongoing journey to be a voice for her daughter until justice prevails.

Then she shares the sustaining faith that has given her courage to endure.
_________


Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Excerpts   

Page 39:
  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fronT desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.  It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied to them.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

Page 44:  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn.  ... Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 76:  The detective takes a seat at his desk and sorts through some papers before getting ready to type at his computer keyboard.  It's quiet.  I am very cold, waiting for him to begin.  As I stare at the torn documents on the table, the words Joran van der Sloot jump right off one of the ripped pager at me and pierce my eyes.  It's Joran's witness statement, torn up, lying in plain view.   So he has been here.  He has given his statement.  It has been destroyed for some reason.   Did he change his mind?   Can you even do that?  Did someone come along and decide it wasn't in Joran's best interest to go on record about what happened to Natalee?

Page 148/149:  Anita tells us all about Joran and what a good boy he is.  How smart he is.  I let her go on and on, as this gives me time to listen, look, assess.  And as she continues, she begins to share with us what a difficult time they have had with him recently.  How he exibits oppositional defiance and is disrespectful to his mother.  How they are beginning to lose control of him as he sneaks out at night and comes and goes as he pleases.  After about thirty minutes she concludes by tell us Joran is seeing a psychologist for his definant behavior.

Now it's my turn.  I have no intention of matching her good-boy remarks with good-girl comments.  And cut to the chase.  Graphically repeating the very words said by their son a couple of weeks ago in his statements made on June 9, 10 and 13.  The vile account that was read to me in the attorney general's office.  The sexually explicit words used by Joran to describe what he did to Natalee.  Calmer than I have ever been in my whole life and without blinking, I tell them which fingers he said he used.  Where he said he put them.  How their son described my daughter's pubic area, her underwear.  How Joran said she was falling asleep and waking up, falling asleep and waking up.  I tell them of his conflicting stories of what happened, the different places he said it happened.  Little bead of sweat form across Paulus' brow and forehead.

Page 157:  Aruban authorities never took statements from the Alabama men, the eyewitnesses who were present at the van der Sloot' that first morning.  And no statement was taken from the DEA agent.  Aruba simply wouldn't do it.

Page 157/158:  No one is breathing. Or Moving. Reporters and camera people are crying. The media hve been here more than a month, and they’ve seen firsthand what we’ve experienced. They are moved by this plea. But some of the Arubans are not. Calling their local sons “criminals” offends them. Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter. I felt the term seemed appropriate. But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support."

"Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us. 1.  Beth Holloway learns almost immediately after arriving on the Island of Aruban that the last person who was with her daughter prior to disappearing had lied to the Mountain Brook students.

Page 182:  Helen is very positive.  "It looks good that they will remain in custody" she says.  Then just three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.  Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!.  Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information. So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island from the defense side that all three suspects will walk.  Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me that it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

Page 183:  The Dutch interrogators, who have tried as hard as the FBI to help us, come up to the room. They are trying to make heads or tails of this. "In Holland this would never have happened' one of them tells me. "The defense is running the show". They were as shocked as we were that the 3 will be released and said information was presented to the judge that showed ample reason to keep them in custody.

Page 184:  Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow.  "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans.  Not one tape.  Nothing." he says sadly.  Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball.  Not even for one minute

Page 185:  The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a resturant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?

Pages 209/210:  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive ...

Page 227:  Jug has supported me through this entire nightmare.  And we have done everything we can.

Pages 230/231:  I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not.  I know it doesn't look good.  But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss.  And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith.  It won't ever be the same.  But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.

The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.

Page 232:  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2012, 10:17:07 PM
Then Came the Morning

Artist: Bill Gaither

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXoNoizNrjE


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on April 08, 2012, 02:53:54 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_2005.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on April 08, 2012, 11:43:54 AM
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=582598335

Anita's FB profile picture 2/6/2011

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/02062011_AnitaFBprofilePic2.jpg)

Same trip? 

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ember%C3%A1-Village-Tours/124485634240180

Panama

Anita posted this to their wall on Friday...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150796875663336&set=o.124485634240180&type=1

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/04082012_Anita_Panama_01-1.png)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/04082012_Anita_Panama_02.png)

Anita Hugen Good memories!!Beautiful art work! Love from Aruba
Friday at 1:40pm · Like ·  1

Emberá Village Tours Love this Anita! This is my brother in law, Auselio
Friday at 2:07pm · Like

Anita Hugen I have the monkey mask he is wearing on my wall. Give him my regards. Take care!
Friday at 4:03pm · Like


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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2012, 01:10:03 PM
I have been amazed at Anita's seemingly lack of emotion following both her husbands death and the murder of Stephany by her son Joran.  She seems to just keep enjoying herself.  I'm not sure after Joran killed Stephany I could go on knowing that I spawned that monster.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: yuknomenot on April 08, 2012, 02:01:37 PM
I have been amazed at Anita's seemingly lack of emotion following both her husbands death and the murder of Stephany by her son Joran.  She seems to just keep enjoying herself.  I'm not sure after Joran killed Stephany I could go on knowing that I spawned that monster.
The acorn does not fall far from the tree.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on April 08, 2012, 02:04:55 PM
I have been amazed at Anita's seemingly lack of emotion following both her husbands death and the murder of Stephany by her son Joran.  She seems to just keep enjoying herself.  I'm not sure after Joran killed Stephany I could go on knowing that I spawned that monster.
The acorn does not fall far from the tree.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 08, 2012, 06:55:15 PM
Does Kermit say "Rabbit" today instead of "ribbit" in honor of Easter?  ::HappyEaster::

Just wondering....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: San on April 08, 2012, 11:49:37 PM
Anita Hugen I have the monkey mask he is wearing on my face. Give him my regards. He made me look so much better!
Friday at 4:03pm · Like


(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/AnitaMask.png)

I think she meant to say that.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2012, 12:19:11 AM
 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: texasmom on April 09, 2012, 12:23:46 AM
YES, MUCH BETTER!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on April 09, 2012, 12:50:28 AM
I have been amazed at Anita's seemingly lack of emotion following both her husbands death a