Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

 ::MonkeyDance::  Clean cage!!  Thanks Klaas ::MonkeyCool::

I'm just lovin' the Justice Train & Biplane ::bee::

Having the chollars in Aruba wear the wifi t-shirts should make the entire island a "hot spot"  ::MonkeyDevil::

awemainta.com

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Thanks Klaas....love the train and you have given me my identity back...!  I lost it two computers ago....Good
night all....Mere

Added Elaine and Hummingbird  ::MonkeyCool::  Had to dig up Hummingbirds old avatar and re-dress her, LOLOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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I can dig up most of the old avatars, especially the original.  The only ones I don't have might be ones that CBB or Brandi did.  The original ones I have saved on my external drive  ::MonkeyCool::

You look mah-velous Mere!   ::MonkeyCool::

Please add me to the Justice Train...it's been a long time coming!!  thanks

 ::MonkeyCool::   It's terrific, Klaas!

http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=17290

Aruba Aloe beach tennis event ‘rocked’ Eagle beach!!
Posted by Aruba Daily on May 4th, 2012

The players battled in the deep sand and hot sun starting at 10 am in the morning with pool play and ending the day with finals around sunset!
 
Jossy Mansur finally got the ‘monkey of his back’ by winning the advanced men with JP Simon!

In Pro men Sergio Jie Sam Foek continued his domination winning all rankings sofar!
 
Emily Katz and David Sickmen from New York won the singles titles leaving the Aruban players in the dust.
 
Winners got gift certificates from Aruba Aloe to spent in one of their shops in Aruba Aloe products.
 
Senor Frogs served the food and kept the energy high with their entertainment, DJ, tents/shade, shower on the beach, icy cold Amstel Brights and spectacular beach tennis made this this the ultimate day to chill at the beach with family and friends!
 ::snipping2::

OMG Sunny, how could I have miss you!  I was going thru the last couple years of posts and was trying to get everyone but somehow missed you.  You are on it now at the top on the bi-plane.  ::MonkeyCool::

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http://arubaherald.com/911/2380-four-detained-for-human-smuggling.html

Four detained for human smuggling
Friday, 04 May 2012 10:14

Four people were detained Wednesday night, when authorities acted on the suspicious behavior of the crew of the boat Didi, which left for Venezuela in the afternoon and returned the same night at 10:30 p.m.

The boat had three local men on board and upon their return when they went to declare their reentry, authorities decided to open the cabin, where they found a Venezuelan woman in hiding.
 
Authorities immediately detained the three men and the woman for interrogation. They were detained for intentionally committing human smuggling.
 ::snipping2::

That's the thing, when people talk about Aruba/Venezuela and smuggling it's usually women being smuggled OUT of Venezuela INTO Aruba to work as prostitutes.

 ::MonkeyCool::
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The Pervian extradition process for Joran van der Sloot begins  on May 8th.  How long will the entire process take?  When will the Justice Train be arriving at the Alabama station ... arriving packed with Monkey passengers?

Janet

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Extradition hearing set for Joran van der Sloot in Peru
Published: Thursday, April 26, 2012, 1:02 AM
Updated: Thursday, April 26, 2012, 1:08 AM

LIMA, Peru — A Peruvian judge has set a May 8 hearing to consider a U.S. request to extradite convicted killer Joran van der Sloot so he can be tried for extortion in connection with the unsolved 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalie Holloway.

Lima's Superior Court said in a communique Wednesday that after the hearing the case will go to Peru's Supreme Court, then to the council of ministers.

The council will ultimately decide whether to extradite the Dutchman, who was sentenced in January to 28 years in prison for killing a Lima business student.

U.S. prosecutors say Van der Sloot extorted $25,000 from Holloway's family, promising then failing to lead it to her body.

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http://blog.al.com/wire/2012/04/extradition_hearing_set_for_jo.html

s.t.

Not sure Janet

In case we need more room I added some bleachers  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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That's correct Klaas.  From what I have read, human/sex trafficking is TO Aruba.

 ::MonkeyDance:: Love it!  I can't wait to see his face when he gets hit by the Justice Train in that AL courtroom.

Klaas and Janet, Altez thinks that the extradition process will take about three months.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/23/us/peru-van-der-sloot/index.html

Thanks Grace Land!

On an island that size if they truly wanted to put an end to it, they could. Well, if they weren't all corrupt they could.

You're welcome, klaas!  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba?start=20

Google translation:

In short

THURSDAY, MAY 3, 2012 9:50

Attempted robbery tourists Two elderly American tourists have bravely defended himself Wednesday against a mugger. Who was driving a small gray car at the bus stop for Alhambra. He got threatened with a piece of wood in his hand and demanded the purses. It was one of the tourists and broke a shoulder. A taxi driver saw the incident and came to the rescue. The robber ran off in the car.
 ::snipping2::

You mean a small gray car like this?    ::MonkeyDevil::

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 ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Thanks Grace.

An ongoing waiting game.  Something akin the the defamation trial.  I will be pushing up daisies by the time that event happens.

Janet

Klaas, love your artwork.  You have done a great job on your design.  I can see the heart you have added to making it.  Can't wait to get mine.

I am so glad to see Peaches on the train along with 2NJ.  I know Natalee and Beth have friends in heaven.  Great job!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHeart::

Video at link

http://www.24horas.com.pe/elpanamericano/locales/105834-nueva-estrategia-legal-der-sloot-eeuu-extradite

Google translation

The new legal strategy of Van der Sloot for the U.S. to extradite him
Saturday May 5, 2012, 09:03 AM

On Tuesday May 8 at Piedras BBW, the Peruvian courts shall collect the information to decide whether a confessed murderer of Stephany Flores and suspect in the murder of Natalee Holloway should be extradited and tried in U.S. courts.
 
Meanwhile, the Pan spoke with Joran Vander Sloot's lawyer who said his legal strategy seek to maximize the benefits for your client. "Sooner or later the extradition proceed," he said.

Added a few that haven't been around for a while.  Hope they don't mind.  

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Glad to see Peaches and 2NJ.  I see Hat, haven't seen him in a while.  Time for all the old timers to stop in and say Hi!  Good to see so many new people.  Nice bunch of Monkeys!

 ::rhino::

I "love" the Justice Train and especially what it stands for!

I hope my avatar can make its place with the Justice Train.

I know I haven't posted much on this forum in quite a while, but I do keep up with what's going on and so appreciate all the good posts that are being made.

I want so much for Beth to see justice done in some manner wrt Natalee.

All of us would be so happy to see Joran have to meet justice in Alabama!

Puzzler, you are on the bus right above Stephany.

You are already on it Puzzler!  Right in front above Peaches!

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I see it now - thank you!

The way the US court system is Sloot might be a year away from trial after he gets here. A long hard year.

And I hope he is skeeered while he sits waiting.

Wonder if we have rats in the Bama Slammer?

A....LOOONNNGGG...HARD...YEAR!! Literally, or figuratively alagary? OMG..Now that is funny.

http://www.bndestem.nl/nieuws/algemeen/buitenland/10997688/Hoorzitting-over-uitlevering-Van-der-Sloot.ece

Google translation

Hearing on extradition Van der Sloot
Tuesday, May 8, 2012 | 6:00

BACKGROUND - Many Peruvians still find that 28 years in prison is far too low for Joran van der Sloot, who in January was sentenced for the murder of Stephany Flores.
 
They would sometimes be at their beck and call, because the case Van der Sloot seems again to get a sequel. Today, in Piedras Gordas prison in Lima the hearing on the possible extradition of the 24-year-old Dutchman to the United States.
 ::snipping2::
Extradition to U.S.
The U.S. authorities have never made a secret of Van der Sloot that they want to try on our own soil. According to lawyer Jose Luis Jimenez, who stood by the Dutch during his trial, chances are it comes to extradition. "There is an initial agreement, although there are still a few elements of the application to be negotiated," says Jimenez, "but I consider it likely that the extradition is coming."

Complicated process
In the meantime, will there be a complicated process. Van der Sloot is appealing against his imprisonment, and this procedure must first be settled. The Peruvian Supreme Court probably affords more definite about this month. Only then can the American request to consider, first by the Supreme Court and a number of committees, and the final decision lies with the Peruvian Cabinet.
 
If the born Arnhem extradited, he will travel to the U.S. temporarily for trial in Alabama, which may take several months. Then he must first return to Peru to serve his sentence to sit for him in the U.S. ends up behind bars again. If he is in the extortion trial is convicted, he can get up to 25 years.

Holloway
In the most extreme case, Van der Sloot so only very old at liberty to come. Even then, his problems have not yet be over. The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway may still, Van der Sloot is also in that case is still the prime suspect.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/08/van-der-sloot-could-face-us-jail-time-on-fraud-and-extortion-charges/

Several hurdles left to clear before US case begins against convicted murderer Joran van der Sloot
Published May 08, 2012
 
Joran van der Sloot may eventually face trial in the US on fraud and extortion charges, but there are still a number of hurdles to clear before the 24-year-old Dutchman serves any time in a US jail.
 
Van der Sloot was the last person to be seen with Alabama native Natalee Holloway on the island of Aruba in 2005. Holloway was on a class trip celebrating her high school graduation. Van der Sloot was arrested, but never charged with her murder. No body has been recovered and Holloway’s father went to court to have her declared legally dead last year.
 
Five years to the day after the disappearance of Holloway, van der Sloot was captured by security cameras in Lima, Peru, entering a hotel room with a 21-year-old Peruvian student, Stephany Flores. Flores was later found murdered in the hotel room. Van der Sloot was convicted and sentenced to 28 years in a maximum-security prison in the Andes.
 
In 2010, van der Sloot was indicted by an Alabama court for wire fraud and extortion. He had offered information to the Holloway family regarding the location of Natalee’s body in exchange for money. He received $25,000, but offered no information.
  ::snipping2::
 
He is currently appealing his murder conviction in Peru. Only after the appeal is decided will possible extradition to the US be considered. In Peru the request would go first to the Supreme Court, then to the Council of Ministers for a final decision.
 
If extradition for the wire fraud charges were approved, van der Sloot could face trial in Alabama. Peruvian officials say he would then be returned to Peru to continue serving out his murder sentence. He could serve time in a US jail, according to Peru’s Justice Minister, only after he completed serving his sentence in Peru.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/08/van-der-sloot-could-face-us-jail-time-on-fraud-and-extortion-charges/#ixzz1uI5IJky3

Oh, Klaas!! I swear.......... that almost makes me cry!! It touches my heart that Peaches and 2nj are right there where they belong! I LOVE LOVE LOVE it!!! Thank you for your hard work. It is just AWESOME!!!  

Joran's back in court today!!  That train is rolling on down the tracks!!  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::snipping2::

May 8, 2012
Van der Sloot due back in court

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT)  Joran van der Sloot is reported by Peruvian media to be scheduled to be in a Lima, Peru courtroom today for a procedural hearing on efforts by the United States Justice Department to have him extradited to Birmingham to stand trial for wire fraud and extortion.

 ::snipping2::
 
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-due-back-in-court/oXug8QL030WRxn3dvNmpTA.cspx?rss=1659

As I understand it, the lawyer for Joran will oppose the extradition.  The judge will continue the extradition process as required under Peruvian law.

http://feeds.univision.com/feeds/article/2012-05-08/peru-van-der-sloot-no

Google translation

Peru: Van der Sloot is not to be extradited to U.S.
The Associated Press | Date: 05/08/2012

LIMA (AP) - The lawyer defending Dutch Joran Van der Sloot, who was convicted in Peru to 28 years in prison for the murder of a young Peruvian, said Tuesday he will oppose the extradition of extortion and wire fraud requested by the United States.

"Extradition strongly affects Van der Sloot. Here in Peru if you meet one third of his sentence he may have probation, but if convicted in the U.S., everything changes," said his lawyer Max Altez told The Associated Press.

He explained that if extradited to the Netherlands and is sentenced in the U.S., Peru will end its 28-year sentence and then had to return to America to fulfill his second conviction.

"We agree that Van der Sloot go to America because they hate above all is why there are jurors biased. We will defend ourselves with all possible legal remedies," said the lawyer.
 ::snipping2::

In prison BBW Stone Lima, where he is serving sentence, Van der Sloot met with his lawyer with Judge Zenaida Vilca, who explained the reasons why the United States requested his extradition. The meeting was also attended by representatives of the embassies of the Netherlands and the United States in Lima.

The Dutch entered the court date dressed in jeans, gray shirt and handcuffs. He smiled at the officers who watched but did not respond to calls from reporters watched 25 meters away.

Under Peruvian law, the judge will submit a case to the Supreme Court to review the case and issue a resolution calling for the extradition to the Ministry of Justice and Human Rights, which in turn will submit its report to the Council of Ministers, which will eventually be which decide whether the extradition of Dutch.
 ::snipping2::

According to his lawyer "their stay in Peru can not be compared with the United States. There does not matter if you have little or much money, everyone is equal, here everyone knows that if you make a permanent solvency softer."

http://peru.com/2012/05/08/actualidad/mi-ciudad/joran-van-der-sloot-se-niega-extraditado-eeuu-caso-natalee-holloway-noticia-62878

Google translation

Joran Van der Sloot refuses to be extradited to U.S. for Natalee Holloway case
Tuesday May 8, 2012 - 02:32

 ::snipping2::
Lima. The Dutch citizen Joran Van der Sloot refused to acquiesce to the request of the justice of the United States to be extradited to that country, where it is processed for alleged extortion of the mother of the girl Natalee Holloway, who disappeared six years ago and whose murder is possible attributes.

Van der Sloot announced its decision to the holder of 22 Free Prisoners Criminal Court of Lima, Zenaida Vilca Malpica, in whose office is handled this request for extradition.

The judge went to the prison of Piedras BBW I Ancon, where Van der Sloot is serving his sentence of 28 years in prison for the death of the Peruvian Stephany Flores to inquire whether paved or not the extradition order made ​​against him U.S. justice.

Van der Sloot took this decision considering that in the United States did not states the conditions to face a fair trial in this case, said his lawyer Max.

In response, the judge entered Vilca Malpica Dutch decision on the record that makes his office on the case, for transmittal to the Supreme Court, which will review the proceedings and issue a resolution that will send the request extradition to the executive branch, according to RPP.

Can he refuses to be extradited to U.S.  ::MonkeyEek::

I don't think so Blonde.  He can say whatever he wants but the law is the law and he's no longer above the law.

 ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::

Joran van der Sloot, suspect in Natalee Holloway case, to fight extradition from Peru

LIMA, Peru — The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot says his client will fight extradition from Peru to the United States, where he is charged with extortion and wire fraud

 ::snipping2::

Attorney Maximo Altez said after a Peruvian judge informed Van der Sloot of the U.S. extradition request that his client prefers to stay put in Peru, where he could be freed after serving a third of his 28-year sentence for killing a Lima woman he met at a casino.

Altez says that if his client were convicted in the U.S. he wouldn’t likely qualify for early parole in Peru.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/joran-van-der-sloot-suspect-in-natalee-holloway-case-to-fight-extradition-from-peru/2012/05/08/gIQAQUYFBU_story.html

Van der Sloot refuses to be extradited to U.S. by Holloway case

 (AP). The Dutch defense attorney Joran Van der Sloot, who was convicted in Peru to 28 years in prison for the murder of the young Stephany Flores, said Tuesday it will oppose the extradition of extortion and wire fraud requested by the United States.

 "Extradition strongly affects Van der Sloot. Here in Peru, if it meets one third of his sentence, he may have probation, but if convicted in the U.S., everything changes, "said his lawyer Max Highness the AP.

 He explained that if extradited to the Netherlands and is sentenced in the U.S., Peru will end its 28-year sentence and then had to return to America to fulfill his second conviction.

 "We agree that Van der Sloot go to America because they hate above all is why there are jurors biased. We will defend ourselves with all possible legal remedies, "said the lawyer.

 Altez said an Alabama state court judge asked the Dutch for extortion and wire fraud.

 ::snipping2::

In the prison of Piedras BBW, where he is serving sentence, Van der Sloot met with his lawyer with Judge Zenaida Vilca, who explained the reasons why the United States requested his extradition. The meeting was also attended by representatives of the embassies of the Netherlands and the United States in Lima

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1411979/noticia-van-der-sloot-rechaza-extraditado-eeuu-caso-holloway

Boo hoo.....  you mean Joran would have to serve the entire 28 year sentence then whatever time in the US?  LOVE IT!  ::justice2NJ::

That is how I read it.  Wonder who is paying his lawyer Max this time to fight this?

Medleyrelay?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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 ::MonkeyDevil::

From all the money she made from her online book noevidenceofacrime also known as medleyisafool  ::MonkeyCool::

You're too kind, klaas.  ::MonkeyCool::

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/05/joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-says-u-s-extradition-inevitable/

May 8, 2012 6:55pm
Joran Van Der Sloot’s Lawyer Says U.S. Extradition Inevitable

ABC News’ Joe Goldman in Lima, Peru, reports:
 
The extradition of Joran van der Sloot to the U.S. on charges of wire fraud and extortion in connection with the death of Natalee Holloway will likely take place this summer, his lawyer told ABC News today.
 
“The power of the United States will assure that Joran has to face a U.S. judge and I think the extradition will happen probably in two or three months,” Maximo Altez  said in an exclusve interview with ABC News.
 
Altez spoke to ABC News after van der Sloot appeared in a jailhouse courtroom at Piedras Gordas prison, about two hours north of Lima.
 
Peruvian Judge Zenaida Vilca heard arguments by U.S. Justice Department officials pushing for the extradition while  Altez opposed the move on grounds his client could not receive a fair trial in a U.S. court.
 ::snipping2::
Van der Sloot, appearing nervous and thinner than in previous appearances, was marched by prison officials to the courtroom, handcuffed and refusing to answer questions posed by nearby reporters.
 
The maximum-security jail is in a sparsely populated area of rolling desert-like hills. On one of the mountains overlooking the facility is the slogan Cristo Vive (Christ Lives) in huge white block letters and below are the tents of some very poor squatters.
 
Altz spoke with ABC News after the court appearance and said van der Sloot was “very upset with the prospect of being extradited to the U.S. I haven’t seen Joran so down, so depressed since I took on his defense almost two years ago.”
 ::snipping2::
Although the judge and other Peruvian legal authorities claim van der Sloot will have to return to Peru to finish out his 28-year sentence, Altez thinks differently.
 
“Once he’s in the U.S. there are no guarantees that he would not be charged with Holloway’s murder although no such evidence exists,” he said.
 
The next step involves the judge sending her decision to Peru’s Supreme Court, expected within the next week to 10 days, and the high court then giving its stamp of approval to the extradition. At that point only government ministers or the president can stop the process, which is highly unlikely according to most observers.
 
“It’s not in our interest that Joran be judged in the U.S. because he is despised there. You could not find an impartial jury to try him,” said Altez, who said he will try to stop the extradition “by all legal means possible.”
 
“There’s not much you can do when you’re up against the most powerful country in the world,” he added.

What are the odds Joran is in the USA at the same time the kalpoe- Dr Phil case possibly starts????? How delicious!! ::MonkeyCool::

Hearing on extradition Van der Sloot

BACKGROUND - Many Peruvians still find that 28 years in prison is far too low for Joran van der Sloot, who in January was sentenced for the murder of Stephany Flores.

They would sometimes be at their beck and call, because the case Van der Sloot seems again to get a sequel. Today, in Piedras Gordas prison in Lima the hearing on the possible extradition of the 24-year-old Dutchman to the United States.

 ::snipping2::


Extradition to U.S.
The U.S. authorities have never made a secret of Van der Sloot that they want to try on our own soil. According to lawyer Jose Luis Jimenez, who stood by the Dutch during his trial, chances are it comes to extradition. "There is an initial agreement, although there are still a few elements of the application to be negotiated," says Jimenez, "but I consider it likely that the extradition is coming."

Complicated process
In the meantime, will there be a complicated process. Van der Sloot is appealing against his imprisonment, and this procedure must first be settled. The Peruvian Supreme Court probably affords more definite about this month. Only then can the American request to consider, first by the Supreme Court and a number of committees, and the final decision lies with the Peruvian Cabinet.

If the born Arnhem extradited, he will travel to the U.S. temporarily for trial in Alabama, which may take several months. Then he must first return to Peru to serve his sentence to sit for him in the U.S. ends up behind bars again. If he is in the extortion trial is convicted, he can get up to 25 years.

Holloway
In the most extreme case, Van der Sloot so only very old at liberty to come. Even then, his problems have not yet be over. The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway may still, Van der Sloot is also in that case is still the prime suspect.

http://www.bndestem.nl/nieuws/algemeen/buitenland/10997688/Hoorzitting-over-uitlevering-Van-der-Sloot.ece

Joran and his lawyer sound a lot like Ber Rabbit...."Please, don't throw me in the
briar patch."   I think Joran is just itching for a nice vacation in a Alabamy jail.

 ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel::

pb

Oh and a nice HOT Alabamy summer, at that.


You know the kind, mosquitoes, gnats, cicadas playing so loud that it is deafening, sun so high in the sky it burns your face.

Oh wait...he will be in a cell block.  Never mind.

I hope he does get slapped with a murder charge.  Mr. Poopy Pants all over again.

 ::snipping2::

De Telegraaf reports that a Peruvian judge has visited Van der Sloot in prison. The paper says the Dutchman has no faith in the US justice system. According to de Volkskrant, the extradition request could take some months to process. The judge will make his recommendation to the Supreme Court. In the final analysis it will be the Justice Ministry in Lima which decides his fate.

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/dutch-press-review-wednesday-9-may-2012

 ::justice2NJ::   ::justice2NJ::   ::justice2NJ::

I haven't heard where he would be kept while waiting for trial in the US but I hope it's here;
  Jefferson County jail faces staff cuts amid overcrowding (slideshow)
 
"They are allowed one clean uniform a week, which doesn't stay clean long. They are given fresh bed linens less often than that. They rinse out their underwear in the cell block toilets"
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/08/jefferson_jail_faces_staff_cut.html

      Nah, that looks too nice to me.

I say Midnight Express...like Beth said.

cadillac , read the Birmingham News . Those are not boy scouts that he will be bunking with.  ::boxingjoran::

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S U.S. INDICTMENT at link
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/09/joran-van-der-sloot-us-extradition_n_1503871.html

Joran van der Sloot Extradition: Once Peru Gets Rid Of Convicted Killer, U.S. Wants To Try Him For Murder, Expert Says
First Posted: 05/09/2012 5:10 pm Updated: 05/09/2012 5:19 pm

A Peruvian court will soon issue a decision on whether to allow convicted killer Joran van der Sloot to be extradited to the United States on charges of extortion in the case of Natalee Holloway.

The Dutchman may have far worse charges to fear, however, according to an international defense expert who said the extortion extradition is a ruse.

"With all the bad guys running around -- Al Qaeda and other international terrorists -- do you really think the U.S. is going to go after every guy who tries to extort money from a U.S. citizen? Absolutely not. The U.S. wants to get ahold of him and charge him with Holloway's murder," said Michael Griffith, senior partner at the International Legal Defense Counsel.
 ::snipping2::
While the confessions alone might not be enough, Griffith said authorities in the U.S. could target the Kalpoe brothers -- even though neither is considered a suspect or person of interest in the case.

"They could put pressure on them -- say to their lawyers, 'we want to serve you with a subpoena and we want their cooperation and we'll give them immunity from any charges. If you don't, we'll give their names to Interpol and have them added to the stop list.'"

Griffith added, "They could be the weak link in the chain. They were with him that night."

According to Peruvian media outlets, a decision on the indictment could take several weeks.

I hope he bunks with AL finest, Alagary.

But he is so high profile - don't ya think he will be isolated?

Hi!  I haven't been on for sometime but would like to know the status of the lawsuit against Dr. Phil by the two brothers ( Deepak and Satish).. I have google and basically said the next court date was supposed to be Oct 2011 but that has passed and would like to know it its been dropped or still on hold.. I know its on the forum some place but looked for it but didn't find it..

Take care,
Terry

Hi Terry.  It has been a while.  I hope all is well.

Janet

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klaasend
Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion # 864 2/07/12 -
« Reply #700 on: April 14, 2012, 04:18:20 AM »

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

05/15/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Status Conference (RE PRE-TRIAL MOTIONS/MOTIONS INLIMINE)

05/16/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Status Conference ((2ND DAY) RE PRE-TRIAL MOTIONS &MOTIONS IN LIMINE)

04/08/2013 at 08:32 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

04/22/2013 at 09:00 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (10 WEEKS)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12630.msg1518640;topicseen#msg1518640

That Eric Robert Rudolph was tried in Birmingham by the US Dept of Justice for the abortion clinic bombing.  He was held somewhere in the Jefferson County Courthouse and then immediately transferred to that supermaxx prison.   

Email me if I missed adding you or if you think of someone that should be added I didn't add.   ::MonkeyCool::

smklaas@hotmail.com

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Klaas,the train is awesome!  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks for putting me on the train, Klaas.  It's good to see Peaches and 2NJ too.

Thanks for including me on the JUSTICE TRAIN!

I'd like to think that the Kalpoe Bros would turn states evidence against Joran for immunity and assylum in the USA. Whoopee!  Justice - cowboy & bama style!

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

  Can you email this to Joran?

He might like to see all his friends and welcoming committee when he gets here?  jk

Added Trimm - didn't see her on it (up by the tail of the plane)

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I want to be on the Justice Train too! Please!!! Thanks, Jamms

Jammsnana - got you down by the benches.   ::MonkeyCool:: 

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Sorry about using Radar Online but, are the bolded parts correct?
  Van Der Sloot’s Lawyer: ‘It’s A Waste Of Money to Extradite Joran to U.S.
  The longer the confessed killer and his legal team can drag the procedure out, the more chance he has of avoiding being deported at all, as the statute of limitations for the fraud charge which was filed in 2010 is three years.

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   “The other issue is that wire fraud and extortion in Peru are considered ‘a violation,’ with a maximum sentence of one year. The U.S. has to sentence him according to Peruvian law because of the extradition agreement
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/05/joran-van-der-sloot-extradition-lawyer-waste-money

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/11/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-blotter-idUS43572957320120511

Joran van der Sloot's Extradition to US Not a Done Deal
By Stephanie Rabiner, Esq. at FindLaw.com
Fri May 11, 2012 12:39am EDT

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In court on Tuesday, van der Sloot told a judge that he would rather serve out the remainder of his 28-year murder sentence in Peru than be sent to the U.S. Rumor has it his jailed lifestyle is significantly more cushy than it would be in a federal prison.

Despite his objection, most agree that van der Sloot will be extradited at some point in the following months. Per the the U.S.-Peru extradition treaty, an extradition request must be granted if the individual has been charged with an offense punishable by at least a 1-year jail sentence in both countries.
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Because the judge approved van der Sloot's provisional detention, it's been implied that extortion and fraud are higher-level crimes in Peru.

Granted, it's still possible that Peru's Supreme Court or government ministers will stop Joran van der Sloot's extradition. His lawyer claims he will not receive a fair trial in this country and that the U.S. will not return him once here, reports ABC News. However, the general consensus is that no one is willing to step in.

I think many people don't understand the concept of "statute of limitations." It does not mean (in this case 3 years) from the actual crime -- it is from the time LEGAL PROCEEDINGS are initiated. The US government initated legal proceedings way before 3 years were up from the crime date. Statute of Limitations is moot.

Original article about the shooting posted April 29th...victim died...five bullet wounds...shot on his front porch...drugs found on him.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12630.msg1520995#msg1520995

They have made an arrest in the case.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/47137-recherche-di-noord-a-detene-john-freddy-sospechoso-di-asesinato-na-bubali

Papiamentu translation:

recherche of north owing to detene john freddy sospechoso of asesinato at bubali

friday, 11 may 2012 22:48

the recherche of north not owing to sosega very by cu the asesinato at north did take lugar. hour cu owing to likida he amaya cu blood frieu at bubali autoridad owing to cuminsa work at once. the victima cu owing to arrive dead hospital was have cierto cantidad of cocaina on his pañanan. the drugs owing to being happen for her unidad crimen organiza cu is haciendo the investigacion for her drugs.

all the time on the caso self recherche of north owing to work of day y night for finalmente place hand on one sospechoso very dangerous self. here is deal of one colombiano john freddy that now is sospechoso in the asesinato. seems cu husticia at aruba conoce much good self y the was close end recientemente for delitonan pisa also.

john freddy y another man more owing to being grab in one barco cla for bandona aruba some day happen. the is illegal at aruba. the wanted owing to leave scondi but recherche of north owing to ask all esnan trahando at platform y aeropuerto for throw good view on esnan cu is leave. principalmente barconan will is good for they wordo listra first cu they leave. esey owing to give his fruto also because abordo of one barco colombiano owing to achieve the two hombernan scondi entrenan john freddy.

the was close for her personal of keep we costa but diabierna hour cu the was cla for bandona aruba the recherchenan of north owing to arrive y detene at once. the is one djaca old cu kizas will not copera very but the recherchenan of north owing to prepara they self much good first cu owing to go over at detencion. good trabao haci y this once more is thanks at the dedicacion cu owing to being haci on the caso here trahando oranan largo.

There is a John Freddy Montoya in Aruba.  What are the chances it's the same person?  NOPE, wrong initials.  JFPO

http://www.awe24.com/20120511/10687/Sospechoso_di_asesinato_na_Bubali_ta_den_man_di_autoridad

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From the article, looks like he spent four years in jail in Aruba for drugs.  So if he wasn't there legally, did they deport him and he came right back to keep doing the same thing?  And now he's accused of murder...

Yep, one happy island!   ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.awe24.com/20120511/10687/Sospechoso_di_asesinato_na_Bubali_ta_den_man_di_autoridad

Papiamentu translation:

sospechoso of asesinato at bubali is in hand of autoridad

23 hora happen come across, 11 of half 2012 12:11

recientemente autoridad owing to place hand on the sospechoso j.f.p.o. that is the sospechoso of owing to asesina the colombiano eduardo fiallos amaya 2 week happen at bubali. informacionnan extra-oficial is indica cu the will owing to being captura on lama in one boat huyendo for colombia. the sospechoso here owing to being deteni at 2007 relaciona cu drugs y owing to leave pound after of 4 year. but apparently now the is go back envolucra his self in the low world.

May 8, 2012 6:55pm
Joran Van Der Sloot’s Lawyer Says U.S. Extradition Inevitable

ABC News’ Joe Goldman in Lima, Peru, reports:

The extradition of Joran van der Sloot to the U.S. on charges of wire fraud and extortion in connection with the death of Natalee Holloway will likely take place this summer, his lawyer told ABC News today.

“The power of the United States will assure that Joran has to face a U.S. judge and I think the extradition will happen probably in two or three months,” Maximo Altez  said in an exclusve interview with ABC News.

Altez spoke to ABC News after van der Sloot appeared in a jailhouse courtroom at Piedras Gordas prison, about two hours north of Lima.

Peruvian Judge Zenaida Vilca heard arguments by U.S. Justice Department officials pushing for the extradition while  Altez opposed the move on grounds his client could not receive a fair trial in a U.S. court.

The Dutch national is currently serving a 28-year sentence for the murder of Stephany Flores, a Peruvian woman whom van der Sloot admitted to strangling in his Lima hotel room two years ago.

He is also the main suspect in thedisappearance of Holloway in 2005 on the Caribbean island of Aruba where van der Sloot had lived most of his life.

Van der Sloot, appearing nervous and thinner than in previous appearances, was marched by prison officials to the courtroom, handcuffed and refusing to answer questions posed by nearby reporters.

The maximum-security jail is in a sparsely populated area of rolling desert-like hills. On one of the mountains overlooking the facility is the slogan Cristo Vive (Christ Lives) in huge white block letters and below are the tents of some very poor squatters.

Altz spoke with ABC News after the court appearance and said van der Sloot was “very upset with the prospect of being extradited to the U.S. I haven’t seen Joran so down, so depressed since I took on his defense almost two years ago.”

The extortion and wire fraud charges relate to payments allegedly made to van der Sloot by the Holloway family for information on the whereabouts of their daughter’s body.

In court U.S. legal officials argued that there is evidence that will show that van der Sloot arranged for and accepted those payments. Altez says that van der Sloot was lured into taking those payments and that it wasn’t on his client’s initiative.

Although the judge and other Peruvian legal authorities claim van der Sloot will have to return to Peru to finish out his 28-year sentence, Altez thinks differently.

“Once he’s in the U.S. there are no guarantees that he would not be charged with Holloway’s murder although no such evidence exists,” he said.

The next step involves the judge sending her decision to Peru’s Supreme Court, expected within the next week to 10 days, and the high court then giving its stamp of approval to the extradition. At that point only government ministers or the president can stop the process, which is highly unlikely according to most observers.

“It’s not in our interest that Joran be judged in the U.S. because he is despised there. You could not find an impartial jury to try him,” said Altez, who said he will try to stop the extradition “by all legal means possible.”

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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/05/joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-says-u-s-extradition-inevitable/

s.t.

May 8, 2012 6:55pm
Joran Van Der Sloot’s Lawyer Says U.S. Extradition Inevitable

ABC News’ Joe Goldman in Lima, Peru, reports:

The extradition of Joran van der Sloot to the U.S. on charges of wire fraud and extortion in connection with the death of Natalee Holloway will likely take place this summer, his lawyer told ABC News today.

“The power of the United States will assure that Joran has to face a U.S. judge and I think the extradition will happen probably in two or three months,” Maximo Altez  said in an exclusve interview with ABC News.

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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/05/joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-says-u-s-extradition-inevitable/

It appears that Joran would rather be held in a Peruvian lockup over detention in the U.S.

Janet

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Joran van der Sloot's Extradition to US Not a Done Deal
Fri May 11, 2012 12:39am EDT

In court on Tuesday, van der Sloot told a judge that he would rather serve out the remainder of his 28-year murder sentence in Peru than be sent to the U.S. Rumor has it his jailed lifestyle is significantly more cushy than it would be in a federal prison.

Despite his objection, most agree that van der Sloot will be extradited at some point in the following months. Per the the U.S.-Peru extradition treaty, an extradition request must be granted if the individual has been charged with an offense punishable by at least a 1-year jail sentence in both countries.

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Granted, it's still possible that Peru's Supreme Court or government ministers will stop Joran van der Sloot's extradition. His lawyer claims he will not receive a fair trial in this country and that the U.S. will not return him once here, reports ABC News.  However, the general consensus is that no one is willing to step in.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/11/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-blotter-idUS43572957320120511

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 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Van der Sloot faces prisons known for harsh conditions
June 8th, 2010 10:46 PM ET

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A 2009 U.S. State Department report on Peru's human rights record noted that while the South American country's government generally respects the human rights of its citizens, prison conditions were harsh for the country's 44,800 inmates - 17,297 of whom were awaiting sentencing as of December 2009, according to the report.

Among the areas of serious concern highlighted were overcrowding, poor sanitation and inadequate nutrition and health care. The San Juan de Lurigancho men's prison held 9,874 prisoners in a facility designed for 3,204 and incidences of tuberculosis and HIV/AIDS were reportedly at near-epidemic levels, according to the report.

"Prisoners with money had access to cell phones, illegal drugs and meals prepared outside the prison. Conditions were poor to extremely harsh in facilities for prisoners who lacked funds," the report said. "Inmates had intermittent access to running water, bathing facilities were inadequate, kitchen facilities were unhygienic, and prisoners slept in hallways and common areas for lack of cell space."

Corruption and professional incompetence were also reported in some of the nation's 71 prisons, 56 of which are operated by The National Penitentiary Institute. The National Police of Peru has jurisdiction over the rest, according to the State Department report.

"There were deaths of inmates in prisons, most attributed to fellow inmates, but some were due to negligence by guards. Guards received little or no training or supervision. Corruption was a serious problem, and some guards cooperated with criminal bosses who oversaw the smuggling of guns and drugs into prisons."

Conditions are especially harsh in the country's maximum security prisons, which are extremely isolated geographically.

One of them, the Challapalca Prison, is in the Andes near the Bolivian border, at an altitude of 15,000 feet above sea level, about 211 kilometers from the nearest city of Puno - a six-hour ride down a dirt road, depending on conditions, according to a 2003 report on the facility by the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights.

There is no regular electricity or running water, and temperatures most of the year hover around 33 degrees Fahrenheit in the day and as low as 4 degrees below zero at night, the report said.

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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/08/perus-prisons-overcrowded-unhygienic-at-15000-feet-above-sea-level/

s.t.

Ricardo Flores' anticipated press conference did not happen ... the anticipated press conference exposing special privileges afforded to Joran van der Sloot from the getgo while being detained in a Peruvian lockup.

Nevertheless ... it is my hope that Stephany Flores's father will take advantage of his unimaginable heartbreak ... take advantage of his influencial position in Peruvian society ... to be a voice for his daughter by exposing what he perceives as corruption within the Peruvian Justice System.

Janet

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Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST
 
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After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

“Mr. Flores wants peace for his family. The damage is done and it is beyond repair,” he continued.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/13/van-der-sloot-gets-28-years-for-murder-in-peru.html

MAKING A DIFFERENCE

Others Might Learn

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 189:    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.
 
Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.  I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge. It's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professionals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

Beth

You have moved beyond the unimaginable pain of losing your only daughter and ... given unselfishly of yourself to others.  Natalee would be proud of her mother.  Embrace this special day that our Lord has made and ... rejoice in precious memories.

Natalee would be proud!

Happy Mother's Day

Janet

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Natalee's Hero

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero.  Natalee writes:

A Hero is someone who puts others before himself.  He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others.  Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times.  They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals.  I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct.  Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times.  A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself.

Instantly I realize that Natalee is poignantly describing the people who have reached out to help her family get through this "tough time."  It's almost as if she is thanking everyone herself by recognizing the importance of selfless people.  And I am amazed at her profound words here.  I sit and read the entire journal

Joran Van der Sloot to Fight US Extradition from Peru
Published May 09, 2012

The prime suspect in the unsolved 2005 disappearance of American Natalee Holloway, Joran Van der Sloot, told a judge on Tuesday that he will fight extradition from Peru to the United States, where he faces extortion and wire fraud charges in connection with Holloway's disappearance.

Van der Sloot faces an indictment in the U.S. for allegedly accepting $25,000 in early 2010 in exchange for an unfulfilled promise to lead Holloway's mother's lawyer to the body after her disappearance in Aruba.

Judge Zenaida Vilca informed Van der Sloot of the U.S. extradition request during a closed door meeting at Piedras Gordas prison just north of Lima. The 24-year-old Dutchman told the judge he would fight extradition, his lawyer, Maximo Altez, said.

If he stays put, Van der Sloot could be released on parole after serving a third of his 28-year sentence for killing a Lima woman he met at a casino in May 2010, said Altez.

But if he were convicted in the U.S. he likely wouldn't qualify for early parole in Peru. Under the U.S.-Peru extradition treaty he would be returned to Peru to finish out his sentence. Then, if he were convicted in the U.S., he would be sent there to serve the second sentence.

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In an interview with ABC news, Altez stated his belief that in the end Van der Sloot will lose his fight to stay in Peru.

“The power of the United States will assure that Joran has to face a U.S. judge and I think the extradition will happen probably in two or three months,” he said

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/05/09/joran-van-der-sloot-to-fight-us-extradition/

http://www.amigoe.com/english/110854-joran-resists-extradition-to-us-

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The trial is scheduled for 2015.

Wow! If extradited in 3 months, and trial scheduled for 2015, that means that he will be in AL jail for almost 3 years prior to trial!

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Note the sentence Joran is facing in the U.S. is 25 years and not the year or so his attorneys try to make it appear.

Joran doesn't seem to want to come to Alabama!  I can't imagine why!  I'm so hurt by his rude attitude.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Joran van der Sloot's Extradition to US Not a Done Deal

Despite claims otherwise, Joran van der Sloot's extradition to the U.S. is not yet set in stone. Though a Peruvian judge approved his "provisional detention" last month, the convicted murderer has indicated that he intends to fight his extradition.

In court on Tuesday, van der Sloot told a judge that he would rather serve out the remainder of his 28-year murder sentence in Peru than be sent to the U.S. Rumor has it his jailed lifestyle is significantly more cushy than it would be in a federal prison.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/11/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-blotter-idUS43572957320120511

Come on Joran, about time you were shown some good old fashioned southern hospitality!   ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::

Although i've been very impatient with how long it has taken for justice to be doled out to the pride of Assruba, I've learned in the past couple of years that there probably has been a lot going on through back channels. We saw that with the extortion attempt by Urine. John Q. Kelly and Beth were waiting for Urine to become complacent and slip up. Guess what? Urine is Coming to America.....Sorry Eddie and Arsenio  ::MonkeyCool:: This extradition stuff also can be very slow, as countries have to work to respect another countries legal process.

Yep -- he's coming here alright!! I agree with the "back channel" thing. 2 things may be in the works ...(1) he may be conveniently here to testify in the Dr Phil case .. (2) he my just get hit with a murder charge for Natalee -- maybe wishful thinking, but I would not be at all surprised!  ::CowboySmiley::

Interesting takes Wreck, but you could be right. I would love to see him get charged with murder, but think it is a long shot, unless there was something found on that laptop that we are unaware of. Either way, as long as we can stay nice and friendly with Peru, politically that is, Urine is going to be in prison for the rest of his life.  ::boxingjoran::

Food for thought................................................. all of a sudden (about Jan or Feb '12) Dr. Phil's team stopped fighting the Kalpoes for trial delays and started agreeing to postponing the trial another year. That really never made much sense to me ----- maybe there were ulterior motives!

I hope so. I never really thought of that. Once on American soil and in a Alabama prison, Urine may be willing to talk. Being in Alabama with American prison inmates is going to be an entirely different form of pressure that I don't think Urine has come close to feeling, yet.

Hmn.  That is food for thought.  Good observation! ::justice2NJ:: ::boxingjoran:: ::boxingjoran::

Maybe, the best is yet to come!

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

THANK YOU!!!!! Jamms

My understanding.

Considering a crime happened against an American citizen while she was on American soil ... jurisdiction will not be a cause for an American judge to dismiss the charges brought against Joran van der Sloot for the extortion of Beth Holloway.

However ... jurisdictional issues may stand in the way of Joran van der Sloot being tried in an American court for his participation in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruban soil.

IMO

Janet

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THE NEW YORK LAWSUIT - DISMISSED!
 
Jurisdiction - A Procedural Ruling

NANCY GRACE
Judge Dismisses Holloway Suit
Aired August 11, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET

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JIM MORET: Natalee`s family filed a civil lawsuit in New York against Joran Van Der Sloot, the prime suspect in this case, and his father, Paul, claiming that Joran imprisoned and sexually assaulted their daughter, and also that Paul enabled his son`s delinquent behavior.

Basically, what happened is the judge said New York was the wrong place to file this lawsuit. The exact words were, "It`s an inconvenient place to file the lawsuit." Joran, you may recall, said that there was no nexus, there was no connection between New York, Natalee`s disappearance and any of the activities in Aruba. And basically, the judge agreed, saying the case is therefore dismissed.

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MORET: Joran Van Der Sloot is saying that New York -- through his attorney, saying New York was the wrong place to bring this case. All of the activities that were alleged happened in Aruba. Joran is not a U.S. citizen. Natalee did not live in New York. Therefore, it was the wrong place to bring this case.

Natalee`s family brought the case in New York because they said that a number of witnesses lived in and around New York, it was a convenient location to bring this lawsuit. And also, they claim to have another woman who was allegedly assaulted by Joran Van Der Sloot, and she was only going to testify in New York. But basically, the judge didn`t agree with any of those claims.

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GRACE: Beth, thank you for being with us. It seems that no matter how hard you struggle for justice in your daughter`s disappearance, you get swatted down every which way you turn, now including an American court. Beth, what did you want to gain in this lawsuit?

TWITTY: Well, Nancy, first, I`d like to say that, you know, it`s not just Natalee and it`s not just Natalee`s last shot at justice. What we have, Nancy, we have millions and millions and millions of Americans who travel internationally every year. And what we are learning from Natalee is that, you know, the challenges that you will face should you find a loved one a victim of a crime in a foreign country. Your United States constitutional rights do not apply in other countries, and it`s been a hard life lesson for us to learn. There is no recourse. We faced jurisdictional issues, extradition every -- every step of the way. And it`s just hard to know the right turns to make. I mean, we`re doing the best that we can to see what can be done for an American citizen who`s a victim of a crime in a foreign country.

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TWITTY: We know these are the original three suspects into her disappearance, and we are on the right track to pursue that, you know, but it`s just hard to find the venue. It`s just hard to know -- as I said, you know, there`s just not a handbook on this.

GRACE: Why are you so convinced, Beth, that these guys know what happened to your girl?

TWITTY: Well, the facts still remain that those are the last suspects known to be seen with Natalee alive. And everybody knows of their repeated lies that they told the authorities, even their father, Paulus Van Der Sloot. That`s why he was arrested. There was a reason that he was arrested in Natalee`s disappearance. It was not unwarranted whatsoever.

And you know -- and being dismissed in New York, it was on a procedure ruling. Here again, jurisdiction. We have faced that issue since May 30 of 2005. Jurisdiction and extradition have hit us in the face every time.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html

s.t.

1. Joran will hopefully be extradited to the USA to answer charges of extortion and wire fraud, for which he has already indicted.

2. As for charging him for any crimes against Natalee, so far that is only wishful thinking on our part.  However, the Passive Personality Principle of Jurisdiction may enter into any future charges against Joran.  It looks to the nationality of the victim to determine jurisdiction, holding that a state may assert jurisdiction over persons and events outside a state's territory on the basis that its citizen has been harmed.

Edit - term correction per jamcakes.  MB

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Yes......... I think it has been documented here that the US Government can prosecute any crimes committed against a US citizen on foreign soil (particularly if justice had not been administered in the country where the crime was committed). While the US cannot enter a foreign country to nab said suspect -- if they get him somehow to enter the United States -- all is fair!! ............................ well now they are going to get Joran here -- legally!!

Beginning at 11:59pm ET tonight, we may be down for 15 minutes or so for a network firmware upgrade.  There is like a 2 hour window when they will be working on the servers and we could be down for a few minutes any time between 11:59pm ET tonight and 2:00am ET. 

Just wanted you to know if we happen to be down, that's why ::MonkeyCool:: 

Excuse me, please.  I'm having brain stutters today.

It should be Passive Personality Principle of Jurisdiction
Edit - sp.  MB

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

LOL.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Passive Personality Principle of Jurisdiction.

 ::HelloKitty::  ::bee::

Photo at link.  Peter R. de Vries receives the 2012 Forget-Me-Not Award.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/peter-ontvangt-unieke-vergeet-me-niet-award/

Google translation

Friday, May 18, 2012, 15:51 hours
News
Peter receives unique Forget-Me-Not Award
Corrie van Buuren praises Peter for his years of dedication

Friday was Peter from the hands of Corrie van Buuren and Missing presenter Jaap Jongbloed the Forget-Me-Not Award 2012 awarded. Peter received this award for his energetic, tenacious attitude in numerous murder and missing cases.
 
"Thanks to you, by your determination, we have the place where Marion and Romy found buried," said Corrie van Buuren in an emotional speech. "After all these years a very special working relationship. Even after the discovery of Marion and Romy have you done much for us. We are very grateful for you. "
 
Unforgettable moments
Peter called it a "great surprise" that he just got the prize awarded. "I'm very proud of this award," he responded. "It has extra meaning for me that just handed Corrie van Buuren this. We have many memorable and touching moments with each experienced in the time I was working with the disappearance of her daughter Marion and her granddaughter Romy. We still have regular contact and it makes me so much that she spoke to me so beautiful. Then you just have a lump in your throat. This price will absolutely a beautiful place in my home. "

"I find it great fun to 'Missing' awarded me this prize," continued Peter. "Twenty years ago my television career began with Jaap Jongbloed, when we were together the first crime magazine" Crime Time ". I'm there with a lot of fun back then and it is natural that its special program gives me this award. "
 ::snipping2::
Eleventh award
Each year they award Corrie van Buuren, as an ambassador of the Missing Foundation, the award from. The Award, which in 2002 was first issued, serves as encouragement for those who make themselves useful in detecting and preventing disappearances. Since 2002, the Forget-Me-Not Award eleven times awarded. Images of the ceremony on 25 May in the broadcast of Missing screened, around 21:30 in the Netherlands 1.
 
Marijke Kuin
Editorial Peter R. de Vries

What a nice award for Peter deVries!  A pretty good photo at that link, too.

 ::MonkeyWink::

I thought you would enjoy it, Anna.  ::MonkeyWink::

Peter Devries - In His Own Words

Paulus van der Sloot - That's a Sin

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

<snipped>

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


The Kalpoe Brothers - Completely Innocent

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

<snipped>

Peter:  Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


The Kalpoe Brothers - They Bought Him to the Beach

NANCY GRACE
Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET

<snipped>

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.

<snipped>
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


Anita van der Sloot - Good Mother

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: What prompted him to toss that wine in your face on that TV show? Did you say something to him, or what was that all about?

DE VRIES: Oh, he was frustrated about me because I was asking questions all the time, and I was saying -- I was telling the audience that Joran lied several times, that he couldn't answer simple questions, and that he was always keeping silent to the police. And well, that frustrated him

<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Joran's parents say anything to you at that point or even after the show?

DE VRIES: After the show, they apologized for what their son did. And I think his mother is a good mother. She loves her son, but she doesn't know what he is doing, I think.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html

s.t.

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

08/22/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012 (was 5/15/2012)
Status Conference (RE MOTIONS IN LIMEN AND PRE-TRIALMOTIONS)

08/23/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012 (was 5/16/2012)
Status Conference (RE MOTIONS IN LIMINE AND PRE-TRIALMOTIONS)

04/08/2013 at 08:32 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

04/22/2013 at 09:00 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (10 WEEKS)

Wouldn't it be neato burrito if Peter came to Alabama for the trial so Anna could have a photo op and perhaps Miss Anna could talk him into movn' to America!

Thanks Klaas.

Janet

(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg694/scaled.php?server=694&filename=deepaktitorubentickelfr.png&res=landing)


gov't official, news reporter and Deepak ....

THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK KALPOE

Peter Devries

Cracking the Holloway Case?
Feb 7, 2008 7:00 PM EST

De Vries spoke to NEWSWEEK's Catharine Skipp about the case and his role in it to date.

<snipped>

NEWSWEEK: Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

No, not at all.  On the tapes Joran calls them stupid.  I don't believe they were involved.

<snipped>

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


Beth Holloway

NANCY GRACE
Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html

s.t.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=759158169

Sebastian van der Sloot

(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/370967_759158169_1442362950_n.jpg)

(enlarged)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/0519201203.jpg)

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1362656400

Hanni Peters-den Boer

(resized)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4055843078762&set=a.4055842998760.172494.1362656400&type=1&permPage=1

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/0519201201-1.jpg)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4055850798955&set=a.4055842998760.172494.1362656400&type=1

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/0519201202-1.jpg)



http://www.emerson.edu/commencement/event-schedule

 ::snipping2::

Monday, May 14, 2012

One Hundred and Thirty-Second Undergraduate Commencement, 11:00 am–1:00 pm
(Free, Ticket Required) Citi Performing Arts Center (The Wang Theatre)
270 Tremont Street, Boston General seating. Doors open at 10:30 am.

Undergraduate Commencement Reception 1:15–2:45 pm, weather permitting
(Free, Ticket Required) Tents on Boston Common
Celebrate the graduates at a reception in their honor. Tickets available at the Commencement Office.

 ::snipping2::

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563135080&ref=pb

Valentijn van der Sloot

(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/274729_563135080_1291115583_n.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/0519201204-1.jpg)

So glad to see this, he deserves it!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/peter-ontvangt-unieke-vergeet-me-niet-award/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/05192012_PRDV_ForgetMeNotAward.png)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/05192012_PRDV_ForgetMeNotAward2.png)

 ::MonkeyHeart::

Central Park?

No mention of working as an intern for ESPN or whatever it was.

Boston

http://www.planetware.com/picture/boston-us-ma468.htm

No shrubs around it in the recent picture but I think it's the same statue.

Talent & Specials Department at Comedy Central

Yep, that's it.  Boston..makes sense.  Is he taking classes still?

Jamcakes - yeah, Comedy Central..that's it

This graduation would have been his undergraduate, no idea if he will go into a graduate program now in his field or not.  If not, I guess he's finished with classes.

Koen's new girlfriend. 

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=729896308

In a Relationship with Katie Grace Bryant
March 31, 2012

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/05192012_Koen_KatieBryant.jpg)

https://www.facebook.com/katie.g.bryant

2011   
Graduated from Virgil I. Grissom High School

Studying Communications at Young Harris College
Lives in Young Harris, Georgia
From Huntsville, Alabama
Religious Views: Methodist

From her photos:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/05192012_Koen_KatieBryant2-1.jpg)

Koen has been putting on the pounds.  Katie looks like a nice girl.

Yes she does, maybe she doesn't know who he is? 

I've wondered if Joran's murder conviction didn't have something to do with his losing his last girlfriend.  They were together a long time.  I've been thinking maybe he didn't tell her the truth about his friendship with Joran, if he acknowledged it at all?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wanted to test it out first to make sure it looked ok.  Looks pretty good on the smaller mug (I ordered one) although hard to see avatars due to how tiny they are.  This is the small mug.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/cup2.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/cup1.jpg)


Here is the store  ::MonkeyCool::  I hope I haven't missed anyone but I can always modify the photo if necessary.  What do you think?  Zero markup on these. 

http://www.cafepress.com/justicetrain

I think it's awesome, Klaas!   ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks, Klaas!  It looks beautiful!  ::MonkeyCheer4::

Glad you like it!

Guess we missed out on the boa derby on One Happy Island.   ::MonkeyCool::

http://arubaherald.com/local/2518-one-hundred-thirty-eight-boas-caught.html

One hundred thirty-eight boas caught
Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:53

Arikok National Park organized a "boa derby" from April 16 through May 16. The park reports 138 boa constrictors were brought in, which is triple of what they received last year. They paid Afl. 10 per live boa received. Park employee Salvador Franken explained that people island-wide brought in the snakes and the park was considering to host another derby in October/November.
 
The person who brought in the most snakes is Timotheo Koolman. The man, who lives in Maria Maai brought in one snake more than last year for a total of 27 boas, including the largest boa, which was 2.20 meters long. Mr. Thomas from Noord brought in19 snakes and Mr. Philip, also from Noord, brought in 12 snakes. Mr. Koolman explained that he has caught almost 400 snakes since they began showing up around his house in 2005.  ::snipping2::

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/111852-verzoek-tot-getuigenverhoor-in-domino-zaak

Google translation

"Request for witnesses in Domino case '
Saturday, May 19, 2012 9:01

ORANGE CITY - The Tuesday paroled Luis Mansur next week should a request for a preliminary examination of witnesses. He wants to key figures in his case heard under oath. He focuses on (former) ministers, MPs and the Public Prosecutor (OM). Mansur in 2008 was sentenced to seven years in prison for his leadership in the Domino case (drug trafficking).

He has served two thirds of his sentence and probation this week left. Mansur would give a press conference Monday, but left by lawyer James Martin & Associates know that he first requested to submit a so-called witnesses. In a first reaction late acting Attorney General Peter Blanken Amigoe that about two weeks ago, a letter of complaint received Mansur, but that the abuses mentioned in the letter is factually incorrect.
 
In the press release from the law states that "Mansur will request key figures in his case - including (former) ministers, parliamentarians and members of the OM - under oath. In this way, Mansur 'the truth to light "about his case in the so-called Domino case. The case involved an extensive criminal network that bulk drugs to Aruba and other countries in the region smuggled and trafficked. Mansur believes that during the investigation in this case, which took place between 2005 and 2007, legal rules have been violated and that this is an increasingly common phenomenon on the island.
 
'In fact incorrect'
Acting Attorney General Peter Blanken late this morning that the new press release for him. He said two weeks ago that he has received a complaint letter of Mansur, who argues that former prosecutor French Deutekom of the investigation against him would be launched to dubious reasons. From Deutekom would have been family friend of the then Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) and in 2005 his research have been mandated to start. That would have been after Mansur had refused to pay money to the partijkas of MEP. Whites: "I saw him two days later responded that the allegation is factually incorrect. From Deutekom took the case because only in 2007 Amalin Flanegin officer who retired. Deutekom of the file then had about five to six months in the hands. The study in 2005 by another Dutch public prosecutor launched, based on an earlier study, "said Whites. "I find it bizarre that he is now with such accusation.  ::snipping2::

Amalin Flanegin - Koen Gottenbos, was thinking about that today...

Frans van Deutekom - Luis Mansur, not sure I even want to go here.  Was/IS Deutekom really "Dirty Hand", good friend of Paulus, Ben King, and ALSO Nelson Oduber?  Or does this recent news in some way explain why we were being told all of that?  Considering Joran's status at this point, and Paulus - no more; I'm not sure I even care enough to try to figure it out.  If it was and/or IS, they will all get theirs in due time.  It does seems odd to me that Luis Mansur waits until he is getting out of prison to say anything about it! 

Didn't Paulus represent one of the suspects in the Domino case?

I know I remember him arguing against the wiretapping...at some point.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

jmo 

If anyone's interested, this is one of the articles about the Domino case from the Murder & Crime thread

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg384525#msg384525

The blonde girl is Jorans cousin Natalie Den Boer.

Woman in pink jacket on left is an Aunt I think - she was at airport when Joran was first released from KIA.
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg853/scaled.php?server=853&filename=joraninholland.jpg&res=landing)

Klassend I love it so much I'm going to order some.

Anita looks like she is going to a luau.

I think the one in the pink jacket is Anita's mother, and the other woman with glasses is Anita's aunt Hanni Peters-den Boer; the man is her husband Berry Peters. 
Hanni and Berry are the parents of Anita's cousin Maiko Peters.

https://www.facebook.com/berry.peters

(Not sure about this, but I think Hanni may be a sister of Anita's mother, Trudie Hugen?)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8176.msg1175754#msg1175754
(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq107/HOPE8789/VDSkidsGrandma.jpg)

I don't know who the blonde girl is, but I don't think it's Natalia Den Boer.  jmo

Yes, she does.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I see her on a big platter with an apple in her mouth, luau style   ::piggy:: 

Klaas

The mugs are are great!!  What about a Monkey Justice Train poster?

Janet

Added a couple of small posters and a framed tile:

www.cafepress.com/justicetrain

 ::justice2NJ::

texasmom, you may be correct. This is the photo I have marked as Natalia den Boer and it was in my folder of Joran's facebook so I can't remember, but I must have copied it when I was in his fb. I do recall that she posted to him on his fb as well as he remained friends with koen.


(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg577/scaled.php?server=577&filename=nataliadenboer.jpg&res=landing)

btw, Miss Texasmom,
you never fail to impress with your investigative ability and piecing the pieces together.

 ::CowboySmiley::

Looking for something else...came across this.

From February 2010

The day after Paulus died, three and a half months before Stephany was brutally murdered.

I know we've talked about at least one of the comments here, but not sure how much of the conversation was posted. 

It still makes me mad to read it.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

https://www.facebook.com/julliarenfro

Julia Renfro
February 11, 2010
Nasty Grace is awful!
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7 people like this.

Julia Renfro she is such a liar
February 11, 2010 at 7:01pm · Like

Julia Renfro Beth Twitty is a liar and she knows I know!
February 11, 2010 at 7:02pm · Like

Marlene Nichols so glad I don't have cable and have to listen to her! Please tell me she is not bashing "p" already!
February 11, 2010 at 7:11pm · Like

Julia Renfro Yes, and Ms. Beth lying through her teeth about him. :(
February 11, 2010 at 7:12pm · Like

Marlene Nichols that is so not Cool!
February 11, 2010 at 7:14pm · Like

Renée Gielen Nancy Grace - CNN Headline News (Tonight)
Breaking News! Could the death of the former main suspect's father finally lead to answers in the Natalee Holloway case? Joran van der Sloot's biggest defender, his father Paul Van der dloot, died yesterday. Without his father's protection, will Joran van der Sloot finally tell the truth about the night he was last seen with Alabama girl Natalee Holloway? Nancy Grace has the latest details every night at 8 & 10 PM E.T. on HLN.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/
February 11, 2010 at 7:49pm · Like

Jeffrey L. Nolen I believe in olden days Nancy Disgrace would steal the coins off a dead person's eyes, there is no excuse for this ignorance,
February 11, 2010 at 7:53pm · Like

Peter J. Smit Julia, back on track?
February 11, 2010 at 7:53pm · Like

David Cousins Now I'm curious... What 'lie' did Beth tell???
February 11, 2010 at 8:23pm · Like

Julia Renfro Everything she said was a lie, I was there and she knows that I know she is lying. Phooey
February 11, 2010 at 8:25pm · Like

David Cousins You were there??? ..... Where???.... C'mon, tell me.
February 11, 2010 at 8:29pm · Like

Jeffrey L. Nolen So in the liar liar pants on fire department, Natzi Disgrace's pants are burning in hell right now,
February 11, 2010 at 8:33pm · Like

David Cousins She's (was) a lawyer!! What else is new?
February 11, 2010 at 8:37pm · Like

Wendy Terry Does David not know the lies?
Is Nancy disGrace dragging the innocent into this?
And yes I do mean Paulus's family beside Joran... I am so glad I cannot be plastered to a TV right now. Oh ugh.
February 11, 2010 at 9:26pm · Like

Julia Renfro Wendy.... Many people believe what the see.
February 11, 2010 at 9:27pm · Like

Wendy Terry Girl, trust me I know. ENOUGH OF THE BS ALREADY lmfao
February 11, 2010 at 9:46pm · Like

Julia Renfro Heard that one before Wendy!
February 11, 2010 at 10:17pm · Like

Jill Thornton can't stand the woman!!!!!
February 12, 2010 at 12:10am · Like

David Cousins Well.... i'll ask again... What Lies??.... I mean, actually tell me one that she (Beth or Nancy) said... And BTW I don't care for Nancy Grace at all!...... (and generally, yes, I do believe what i SEE... not everything I hear....or Read...You know..."seeing is believing")
February 12, 2010 at 2:12am · Like

Wendy Terry Seeing on TV? Is not believing!! ;)
February 12, 2010 at 4:41am · Like

Julia Renfro Dave.... Ms. Beth lied straight out saying that Paul lied about the events of the night Natalee went missing. Paul never changed his statement from his first words until his last. She made that up to cast an air of guilt upon him and the US media ate it up. Paul was investigated and exonerated from any participation in the N.H Case other than being the father of Joran.
February 12, 2010 at 6:14am · Like

David Cousins There were a whole shitload of lies from what I remember coming from Paul's (RIP) "Punk ass" son Urine, and the authorities here followed everything he told them, starting with picking up 2 random innocent guys in San Nicholas and unjustly plastering their faces all over the news even after the hotel video proved that it was a lie! And he changed his story ump-teen times and they were led around by the 'nose' pretty much by everything that punk told them.
And Wendy, If I see that N.Grace is wearing a red dress on tv, then I pretty much 'believe' that it's a red dress...I don't necessarily believe the crap i 'hear' coming out of her mouth, or the words they splash on the screen... Therein lies the difference between 'SEEING', and hearing or reading
February 12, 2010 at 10:30am · Like

Wendy Terry Sounds about right to me David ...
February 12, 2010 at 10:38am · Like

Charles Croes Well well David, I am amazed at your insight. By the way, were you here? Did you see what was happening? did you ride around in the car with the family for countless hours and listen to truckloads of informaton. Are you the one that was interogatted 7 SEVEN count them 7 seven times? Was that you Mr. Cousins? Must be because it then explains the elequent manner in which you share your insight. I(t is possible to be insulted by some of the comments that we read, however good-ole-country-boy David and I are above that. We walk on an etheral level that allows us to use words attatched to the description of others such as "Punk-Ass" URINE. As I look up to you, I realize you are on a podium and I (in the friendliest manner possible) suggest that you come on down - pleasde don't trip. This world is a better place for you being in it.
CHARLES CROES GOOGLE it David - GOOGLE it.
February 12, 2010 at 3:16pm · Like

Charles Croes Paul died of a heart attack. The worse kind you can have. Most probably not of fatty foods or of smoke and drink but he died of a heart attack... or is it heart failure ... or perhaps a broken heart. Know this - he died long before his heart did and I for one feel very sorry for him. May your god give you the peace that your own blood did not give you here.
Charles Croes
February 12, 2010 at 3:22pm · Like

Julia Renfro Dave... I love you! I'm going to agree with Charles. I can't defend Joran for what he has done or said, but I'm sure you've pulled a "It wasn't me" on more than one occasion. There is not one shred of evidence that Joran harmed N.H. But I can tell you for a fact that Ms. Beth and one of her X husbands named Jug... Lied through their teeth many, many times. And have earned millions of dollars off the hearts of the people from "One Happy Island".
February 12, 2010 at 3:23pm · Like

Charles Croes Wanna keep a show on the air, well then, steal a baby, sell a baby, kill your child, shoot the other students in the school and say - "Well shucks mom, get me outta prison. I just am so sad" Then - and only then will the red dressed Grace of God come down and find you interesting. After the blood saxcrifice, you are a mere memory on a pile of junk. BUT in our case, some good old folks decided that sacrificing a tiny little island wasn't all that bad. Well Guess what, all that bad press pushed our name into the limelight and it has given me the opportunity to say (whenever I travel) Yes I am from Aruba and can you believe all that hype they made? Ahh well, from all of us, we truly and honestly hope you come down and visit us because we all know that a civilization does not pay the price for the crime of one man. If it were so, then BMW and mercedez would not exist. Think about it.

JULIA - you and I are in a rather unique position. No one will know what we went through - you are a nutty and intelligent gal - but man you were the best in a time of crisis. god bless you lady.
Charles
February 12, 2010 at 3:33pm · Like

Julia Renfro Thanks Charles, so true. One day the truth will come out. :( In my eyes 2 days too late.
February 12, 2010 at 3:43pm · Like

Taylor Brown Totally true Charles...When I moved back to the states from Aruba, people were always harassing me because I lived in Aruba. Some people even thought I was involved.
February 12, 2010 at 3:43pm · Like

Wendy Terry They were saying the entire island was involved, ie covering for Joran. I hope that shit doesnt start again.
February 12, 2010 at 3:46pm · Like

Taylor Brown That shit better not start again...We might as well say that when a murderer in the United States gets free, that the entire people of the United States are covering for that person.
February 12, 2010 at 3:48pm · Like

Charles Croes Taylor, do not miss the opportunity to let them know that you are involved. You were fortunate enough to live on a spit of land that is multi racial, multi lingual, has tourism, has industry, the schools teach 4 languages as mandatory and on top ot that, we have the manners to listen to people place inproper blame on us and say - I understand. Di berdad - Mi ta compronde... Tell them that Taylor Brown and hold yourself tall when you do
February 12, 2010 at 3:48pm · Like

Charles Croes Maybe 2 edays late is the right thing. I love the exposure we are getting. It beats that dumb commercial about Aruba. Man, this is action stuff!! Kind of like Miami Vice or something along that line.
Revel in the exposure and laugh at the inane lies.
February 12, 2010 at 3:50pm · Like

Taylor Brown Charles, I always stand up for myself. I do not allow anyone to disrespect my home town and all my "90,000" friends of Aruba.
February 12, 2010 at 3:51pm · Like

Wendy Terry You go girl
February 12, 2010 at 3:58pm · Like

Charles Croes Wendy, this is the scene they saw in their minds:
90,000 people meet in a cave on the North coast of the island and work out an elaborate plan on how to fool an equal amount of cops, dogs, jets and god knows what else. the plan is .... Keep it simple and don't tell anyone. then they all took an oath of silence and all 90,000 have not said one word and have sworn their new born children to the same. the person heading the meeting was the GRACE of GOD herself and she explained that this was needed so that her ratings would not plummet. Her sponsors gave everyone a free cookie (keep the natives happy)
February 12, 2010 at 4:05pm · Like

Charles Croes Never fails - the private messages numbers are rising and most are not friendly.
Be well all and have a safe carnival week-end
charles
February 12, 2010 at 4:11pm · Like

Charles Croes Got your message Wendy. Thanks very much and keep on supporting us.
c
February 12, 2010 at 6:08pm · Like

David Cousins Whoa! what did I miss!!!..... Hey Charles, I was asking about what lies (Specifically) & I still got no answer. I then pointed out the fact that "Yoran" ( i spelled it "Urine" before, sorry no offense to anyone else) sent the authorities to San Nicolas to pick up 2 innocent people with a LIE! He had a chance to "Man-up" and do the right thing, but he "Punked out" with a string of lIES! (correct me if i'm wrong) And Mr. Croes, It's nice to know that you think i, along 'with you', "walk on an etheral level", but...sorry, you're wrong. i simply walk on the planet....That leaves just you i guess..... People, when someone goes missing, there takes place what's known as an "investigation" that is where people get "interrogated". And usually if you ONLY get interrogated, (be it one or seven times) and not convicted, then consider your self lucky!
And, anyone that misconstrues what i say as 'Anti-Aruba' then you are totally 'delusional', as i have lived here for the better part of 17 years...why??... because i LOVE it! Plus the fact that there's nothing that I've said to imply that! ( those "Anti- Aruba people are delusional themselves)
People, everyone lies! But what's getting lost in the shuffle is the fact that 2 people are gone.
My compassion goes out to the families of Paul Van Der Sloot & Natalie Holloway...May god rest their souls.
And Charles, I am NOT on a podium!!! I'm on Facebook!!! Like you :-) peace to everyone!
February 13, 2010 at 11:27am · Like

Charles Croes
thanks David. I will sleep tonight kowing this.
c
February 14, 2010 at 12:52pm · Like

David Cousins Ahhh!!! the juicy sarcasm continues.....
February 14, 2010 at 1:01pm · Like

David Cousins BTW, Charles, you haven't accepted my 'friend' request yet!!!!.... C'MON!
February 14, 2010 at 1:09pm · Like

Julia Renfro The two security guards were not arrested in VAIN. They were suspicious... Ask them yourselves, they know exactly why they were detained. . I'm not going to relive this, but David... You are very much mistaken if you are accusing the Police for Arresting two black men to take the fal, you are being led by the nose by the medial. WE ARE NOT IN AMERICA BABY!
February 14, 2010 at 1:18pm · Like

David Cousins Julia, if you've read my prior posts, then you know i'm not accusing the police of anything!! I pointed out the fact that the main 'suspect' Joran, LIED to the police which sent them to pick up 2 INNOCENT PEOPLE!!!!.... That's what i said.... I NEVER one time mentioned RACE...NEVER...(It's sad that YOU had to go there). Joran gave them that description. The police simply had to follow all leads, as i mentioned before, (if you read it) that's what happens in an investigation!
This is ARUBA BABY.... That much i know... Now please, this still seems to be a delicate subject with alot of strong and passionate opinions, which can (apparently) bring out the worst in people.... Maybe we should drop it???
February 15, 2010 at 12:14pm · Like

Julia Renfro Consider it dropped! :) Party on.......
February 16, 2010 at 11:01am · Like

Charles Croes Damn Julia, you dropped it on my foot
charles
February 17, 2010 at 2:20pm · Like

Julia Renfro Sorry CC... Feel free to carry on. Stand for something, or you will fall for anything! I rode out the storm, I'm still standing.
February 17, 2010 at 3:05pm · Like

Renée Gielen stand on Julia, it is not over
February 17, 2010 at 5:42pm · Like

Julia Renfro I'm still standing on what I know to be true... I will not allow these idiot television shows to change my mind for one second. Nancy Grace said to me one night on TV, what would you know about racism... "Julia, You are white..." Pot calling the kettle black to say the least.
February 17, 2010 at 5:48pm · Like

Jan Brennan She is one of the most disgusting people in the world. She needs to be muzzled.
February 17, 2010 at 6:02pm · Like

Jan Brennan by the way I was speaking of Nancy disGrace, just to be clear.
February 17, 2010 at 6:12pm · Like

David Cousins Un-Dropped ??
February 17, 2010 at 8:03pm · Like

Yes, that's Natalia Den Boer. 

And from my observations she does seem to change her hair color at times.

The blonde in the pictures at Val's graduation just doesn't look like her to me. 

But that's jmo.

awwww, Thank you!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Beth Holloway - Paulus van der Sloot's Changing Stories

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 147-151:  The mission of meeting people and handing out the Ecclesiastes prayer cards and the beautiful colourful bracelets gives me a reason to get up and keep going.  FOX anchor Greta Van Susteren wants to come along, as many of the network reps have done over the past few weeks.  We’re going to the other end of the island today, near the van der Sloot neighbourhood, to ask for information.  And help.

As I reach to put a prayer card into the van der Sloot mailbox, I see someone on the side of the house and call out, “Anybody home?  Hello! You’ve go company! Knock, knock!  Anybody home?”

A man is behind the shrubs against the house.  “I see you there in the bushes.”  He freezes.  “I’m Natalee’s mom.  I just want to give you a prayer card.”

Paulus van der Sloot has to be coaxed out of the bushes like a dog in trouble.  He appears from behind the shrubs and comes to the gate.  I hand him one of Natalee’s prayer cards over the fence.

Surprisingly, he says, “Come in, please.  Stop the cameras, okay?  Stop the cameras.”

<snipped>

No one could have predicted that this encounter would take place.  And if Greta Van Susteren had not been there, I would not have gone inside.

A few days later Paulus is arrested and questioned by Aruban police after they say he changed his story about what time he picked up Joran on the night Natalee disappeared.


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for March 21
updated 3/22/2006 11:28:13 AM ET

<snipped>
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  ... He had initially told the witnesses that he himself had picked up Joran Van Der Sloot at 4:00 a.m. on the night of the 30th.  But he later changed it about three weeks into the investigation that he did not pick up Joran at 4:00 a.m. on the 30th.  So that was the reason why Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested.

<snipped>
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959619


Lt. Roy Tromp - Paulus van der Sloot's Changing Stories

February 11, 2009 7:14 PM
Judge Wants Aruba Witness In Court

A judge has asked for sworn testimony from a man who claims he saw a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway driving with two friends on the night the U.S. teenager was last seen in public, the lead investigator in the case said Friday.

Authorities believe the testimony will support allegations that the suspect, Joran van der Sloot, has given contradictory statements about Holloway's disappearance two months ago, said Lt. Roy Tromp

<snipped>

Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished.

"Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said.

<snipped>

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/05/world/main763210_page2.shtml


Paulus Van der Sloot - Witness Statements

Name: Paul van der Sloot
Date: 14 June 2005 / 21:10
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Roland Tromp
 Description: witness statement

Name: Paul van der Sloot
Date: 18 June 2005 / 18:30
Pages: 10 (1 Attachment)
Writer/Initiator. Roland Tromp/ Clyde Burke
Description: witness statement

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Klaas/Mods

Please delete my post 164.  I messed up on the highlighting.

Thanks

Janet

***got it! (klaas)

Thanks for the rebroadcast of that conversation Texasmom. With all the years gone by to serve as a new point from which to view everything.

Still, I see nothing has changed with Julia & Charles. It is who they are... it is how they think.

The best thing Julia could do is hang herself from her porch. Even she has to be tired of hearing herself speak by now.

Charles still comes off as a arrogant misery. Quite the bore. ::monkeywine2::

Hi Carpe!  ::HelloKitty::  I see you up in the rafters.  ::MonkeyCool::

Hey MB! Long time, no see.  ::HelloKitty::  Hope you are well!

I guess we were posting at the same time.  I figure you're never really far away, and you keep an eye on Natalee's thread for any news and new developments.  It's good to see you post.  All is well with the bee.   Thank you for asking.  ::bee::

Too cool!  Since your runnin out of space and I wanna go, Tink can fly next to the plane  ::MonkeyWink::

Great job!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

lol I found me!

NICE mug!

You're already on it.  Let me look for a minute and I'll show you were.

Dihannah - I added you before I finalized and put you on one of the bench (welcoming committee  ::MonkeyCool:: )  This was the final one:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/MonkeyJusticeTrain31.jpg)

NUT - glad you found yourself!  Yours doesn't show up well but it's there.  Had to use one of your older ones or it wouldn't have showed up at all.   ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks everyone!  There are several different items available (at cost) in the store.

www.cafepress.com/justicetrain

Cool!   Great job Klaas!    ::MonkeyCool::

Wonder if this might be the blonde girl?

Val's cousin, Marianne Vandersloot?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7185.msg1078406#msg1078406

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Toon%20Van%20der%20Sloot/MarianneVanderSloot_a-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Toon%20Van%20der%20Sloot/MarianneVanderSloot_CDA.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Toon%20Van%20der%20Sloot/MarianneVanderSloot_CDA2.jpg)

TM - that looks like a match!  Marianne Vandersloot..

Although Marianne van der Sloot, looks quite similar, the girl in the photo looks to be around Val's age.  MvdS looks to be about 10-15 years older, to me.

If Sebastian carried less weight he would almost be Urine's twin.  Let's hope he doesn't shed any pounds.

Send him a gift, make him feel welcome;
(http://images.footballfanatics.com/productImages/_138000/FF_138425_s.jpg)

BUMP   ::MonkeyCool::

She's seven years older than Valentijn.

http://www.cdjabrabant.eu/brabantstalent/kandidaten.html

 ::snipping2::

(http://brabantstalent.nl/kandidaten/mariannevds.jpg)

Marianne van der Sloot, plaats 2!
's Hertogenbosch

Naam: Marianne van der Sloot
Geboortedatum: 27-03-1982
Functie: Adviseur bij Public Impact, Kandidaat-raadslid 's-Hertogenbosch, plek 2
Slogan/motivatie: Voor een veilige, zorgzame en bruisende stad, DAAROM CDA!


Google translation:

Marianne van der Sloot, place 2!
's Hertogenbosch

Name: Marianne van der Sloot
Date of birth: 03/27/1982
Function: Consultant at Public Impact, Councillor Candidate 's-Hertogenbosch, location 2
Slogan / Motivation: For a safe, caring and vibrant city, THEREFORE CDA!



http://books.google.com/books?id=8Qob31JGGaMC&pg=PA57&lpg=PA57&dq=Valentijn+van+der+Sloot%2B1989&source=bl&ots=L2v0PMTAWJ&sig=DoOzNXIufgWmjbvqS4yvG9iNys8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HR28T8_5Gumc2QXC5KSWDw&ved=0CFkQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Valentijn%20van%20der%20Sloot%2B1989&f=false

Valentijn was born in 1989

It's creepy isn't it.   ::MonkeyEek::

All of the boys were heavier at one time or other when they were younger.

Regardless of his weight, I think he carries just as much, and more than likely the same type  "baggage" as Joran.

He's scary.

jmo

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=759158169

Sebastian van der Sloot

(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/274336_759158169_1910391010_n.jpg)

::rhino:: very scary and creepy.  And I believe you are correct about the "baggage", they were raised by the same parents.  IMO, Val might have lucked out with all the attention on Urine, he probably raised himself without much input from his parents.

IMO Sebastian has the same dead eyes as Joran

It is my hope that Sebastian and Val have emerged strong from the environment that they were raised and ... are now travelling down a different path in life than their brother ... a different path that is both beneficial to their well-being and the well-being of others.  I pray that good people enter their lives ... good people whose influence is positive.

Imagine what these two young men have experience in the past almost seven years.  There is the baggage that comes from having Joran as a brother as well as the heartbreak that comes from experiencing the death of their father.  Paulus was scum but ... to Sebastian and Val ... he was their beloved father.

Janet
 

Janet

Yes he usually does, but there are a few shots of him with some light in his eyes.  No telling what he's seen, heard, or participated in during his most formative years.

Seabass has always reminded me of "Private Pyle" from "Full Metal Jacket" -- I think the jury is still out on Val. In his old pics -- he was every bit on the way to being as HUGE as Sebastian. I wonder if Val was majorly affected by what he saw the night Natalee was murdered.

I've not really seen the movie, but if Private Pyle is who I think he is, you mean he could snap at any time, a physical resemblance, or both?  Val wasn't affected enough by what he saw since he has had plenty of time to do the right thing and hasn't.

How old is Sebastian now?

If the story of Joran severely beating Sebastian is true, I have major reservations regarding the mental stability of Seabass. jmo

I think Sebas is 16 or17 now.

Joran:

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.185583!/img/httpImage/image.jpg)


Private Pyle:

(http://www.chessville.com/images/Full%20Metal%20Jacket%20i%20DOnofrioVincent.jpg)

I'm not sure that you've seen this before or even if it belongs in this thread (but I know you guys would find this amusing/disgusting):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/22/gary-giordano-robyn-gardner-aruba-indecent-exposure-maryland_n_1537602.html?ref=topbar

Gary Giordano, Robyn Gardner Disappearance Suspect, Charged With Indecent Exposure
Updated: 05/22/2012

(snip)  Around 6 p.m. last Friday, Gary Giordano, 51, was arrested in Maryland when police found him naked in his Cadillac Escalade, the Gaithersburg Patch reported. Giordano and his female companion, 46-year-old Carol Ann Bock of Tennessee, were apparently engaging in sexual activity on a mattress in the car while it was parked in an Annapolis garage.  (snip)

 :smt078

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/47637-gary-giordano-gara-ta-haci-sex-den-garage-na-maryland-#comments

Gary Giordano gara ta haci sex den garage na Maryland    Print    E-mail
Tuesday, 22 May 2012 23:47

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2012.mei.22.giordano_s640x350.jpg)

Gary Vincent Giordano, kende a keda deteni aña pasa aki na Aruba pa casi 4 luna, mientras cu autoridadnan tabata investiga e desaparicion di Robyn Gardner, a wordo culpa di exposicion indecente hunto cu un muhe despues cu polis a haya nan sunu parti patras di un Cadillac Escalade, segun polis na Maryland diamars.

Carol Ann Bock, di 45 aña di edad, procedente di Tennessee, tambe a wordo acusa despues cu polis a wak’e cu su pecho robes mientras cu e tabata drumi den e parti patras di e auto, mientras cu Giordano tabata completamente sunu, di acuerdo cu e Departamento di Polis di Annapolis.

E SUV tabata para riba e di dos nivel di e parking garage Noah Hillman den e districto di Annapolis y polis a ricibi kehonan di un posibel actividad sexual den un auto den e garage, segun e rapport. E incidente a sosode diabierna atardi laat, segun polis.

“Mientras nos ta reconoce cu Sr. Giordano tin un reputacion infame, e aresto na Annapolis tabata un simpel hecho di trabao policial efectivo respondiendo na kehonan di ciudadano”, e comisario di Annapolis, Michael Pristoop a bisa. “Oficialnan a tuma accion rapido y apropia bao di e circunstancianan. Exposicion indecente y otro conductanan ofensivo ta intolerabel.

Dos persona a keha na empleadonan di e garage riba e SUV y ora cu e empleado a localisa e vehiculo, el’a observa e pareha ta brasa, cu e homber cu nada di paña bisti, segun e rapport.

Polis a haya e pareha parcialmente cubri cu un clechi drumi riba un corchon patras den e auto, un di e agentenan a lusanan pa asina haya nan atencion, segun e rapport.
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Scirbi pa OMG, May 23, 2012
E guy ki mester ta brother di Joran Van der Sloot.. Danki Dios cu polis a garana sino Dios sa kiko lo a para di e muhersmilies/cry.gif

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Scirbi pa OMG, May 23, 2012
E guy aki ta gewoonweg SICKsmilies/angry.gif

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Scirbi pa Mahalia, May 23, 2012
Double reverse facepalm. E hecho cu e homber aki lo haci su cosnan den un SUV den un parking garage ta papia hopi di su character. E muhe no ta mucho sabi tampoco.

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Scirbi pa Machete Skerpi, May 23, 2012
Nan a ofrecele su propio reality soap. Mi ta kere cu esey ta e mihor cos cu na por haci pe. He knows what makes women tick. Pone drama Garu, go Gary go!

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Scirbi pa Anna Gomes, May 23, 2012
Mi no tin comentario riba e pareja ya cu tin e dicho " del bagaso poco caso " pero si mi ta haja perfecto.... ta cu prensa hora di duna noticia. sea quien sea , nan nomber completo ta wordo scirbi. Mi no ta comprende pakiko nan ta pone
solamente initial,pensando bon... a lo mejor algun que otro lo pensa bon prome cu hasi algo indebido.

how old is he? having sex in a car in a  garage on a mattress...speaks volumes about him.

The article says he's 51.  He's beyond disgusting.

Aruba has the highest income tax rate in the world  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.kpmg.com/global/en/whatwedo/tax/tax-tools-and-resources/pages/individual-income-tax-rates-table.aspx

Canada is catching up.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Yes!!!    ::MonkeyCool::

It's all terrific, Klaas!!!   Love the tote, tile, and tote as well ... looks wonderful.

Well, yes. He is a gigoondo nut bar... I remember.  ...but what is even more intriguing to me, he found a "date".

He was in the spotlight for weeks upon weeks. Where did this woman come from? She won the Darwin for 2012!!!! ::MonkeyDance::

Carol Ann Bock of Tennessee... COME ON DOWWWWWWN!!!!

She needs to make a little speech.

Yes, Klaas! I've been meaning to compliment you on the art design. It looks like it took some time. Fantastic job!!! ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Carpe!  Thanks Ono!

 ::MonkeyDance::

 :smt045 and when he's not squinting, one is even wonky like Joran's.

He'd prefer living down here near our gorgeous sugar sand beaches & sky blue waters ... just sayin' ... LOL ... Anna can come visit.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Those posters are neat for matting & framing ...   ::MonkeyCool::   Perfect in little black frames ... near the computer.   ::MonkeyCool::

(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg51/scaled.php?server=51&filename=12152010sebastianporn.jpg&res=landing)
They are all just like their dear old dad.

ROFLMAO! Carpe!!!

I dunno, she looks a little like Mark Purcells new wife if ya ask me.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/22/article-0-133C74C6000005DC-108_306x423.jpg)


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/22/article-2148347-133C6934000005DC-13_634x466.jpg)

When Mister Girodano exited the car his black underwear fell to the ground
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2148347/Gary-Giordano-Only-suspect-Robyn-Gardner-disappearance-arrested-having-sex-parking-garage.html


leaving his little expenditure exposed! HA HA HA HA HA

Aliases:
Carol A Bock  |  C Bock  |  Carol A Guntow  |  Carol Ann Guntow
Randy Keith Bock
215 Sanctuary Ct
Springfield, TN 37172-5329
Address History
1 in Springfield, TN
1 in Bumpass, VA
2 in Beltsville, MD

Is Carol Ann Brock a prostitute?

Does the mattress imply that Carol Ann Bock is not the only woman who has had sex in the back of Giordano's vehicle following a pickup?

Janet

SELF EDIT - MY LAST POST

Carol Ann Bock is not the woman s/b Carol Ann Bock is not the only woman


Fixed = San

OMG, not far from where I live---Really, she is not the "norm" for people in this part of the country.   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.amigoe.com/english/112338-gary-giordano-arrested-for-immoral-behavior-

Gary Giordano arrested for immoral behavior
Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:30

ORANJESTAD/MARYLAND — Gary Giordano (51), who is still the main suspect in the disappearance and probable death of Robyn Gardner last year, was arrested in the United States last week for ‘immoral behavior’. The police had caught him naked in a car in a parking garage while performing sexual acts with a woman. Both were arrested.The American media made the most of this story.
 ::snipping2::
The American Giordano attracted publicity in August 2011 when his traveling companion Robyn Gardner disappeared without a trace during a holiday on Aruba. He was arrested and detained for several months on suspicion of involvement with her disappearance but was eventually released owing to lack of evidence. This case is still unsolved and Giordano remains the only suspect. Especially in the American media Gardner’s disappearance was linked to the disappearance of another white and blond American female on our island, namely Natalee Holloway, in 2005.

I DROVE AWAY WITHOUT KNOWING

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 14-15:  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005.

While Natalee was going to be out of town, Jug was going to his lake house to visit with his family and friends. In our marriage, the second for both of us, we rarely vacationed together. My son, Matt, had made his own plans with friends for the weekend, so it was the perfect time for me to take a much-needed, overdue trip to my family's lake house in Hot Springs, Arkansas. I had not been there in a very long time. Birmingham is about nine hours away, so it was just too long a drive since moving here to make the trip on a regular basis. I was very much looking forward to visiting with my family. Everyone's plans were made.

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things in the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house. It was very dark at that hour, and we were both only half awake. But we did talk some. Small talk. We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, sunscreen, and the like. When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life. The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin. She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag. I got out and walked around the car to help her. She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you! Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied, "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side. I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door. Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked back over my shoulder to see her go inside. The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in. I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside. The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely. It was pitch-black again. I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.

THE PROVERBIAL DREADED PHONE CALL

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 23:  Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her.  I take the backseat.  We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon.  Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures.  Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these.  Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi.  Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl.  "Mrs. Twitty?  My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you."  It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent.  She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba.  They are in Birmingham.  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive.  The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8601.msg1237615#msg1237615

Quote from: carpe noctem on September 27, 2010, 10:41:06 PM

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 ::rhino::

Seven years has come and gone since Mother and Daughter's final goodbye.

Could it be that a concience will emerge from one who was aboard the Persistance ... one who witnessed the betrayal of Natalee Holloway's family when the ship's Project Lead afforded unchallenged the contents of the trap to the Aruban enemy ... the Aruban ememy who has prevented justice from prevailing since the morning of May 30, 2005?

Janet

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At Any Give Moment

Beth Holloway's Story
The Oprah Winfrey Show  |  March 14, 2008

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Despite what authorities have said, Beth says the case of her daughter's disappearance remains open for her family. "We've never really relied on an investigative approach to finding an answer," she says. "I think what we've relied on more heavily is at any given moment something unexpected could happen, and we really feel like someone could talk at any moment."

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http://www.oprah.com/world/Beth-Holloways-Story/3

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Edit-fix typo.  MB

SELF-EDIT - MY LAST POST

unchanged s/b unchallenged
Fixed it.  MB

Thanks MuffyBee

Janet

YW Janet.  ::bee::

WOW! Memorial Day Weekend 7 years later!

Prayers for Natalee's loved ones!

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba?start=20

Google translation:

In short

FRIDAY, MAY 25, 2012 9:02

Too late in a house in a man tried Angochi LA (38) Wednesday to hang himself, but he was found by family members still alive. Despite help from the ambulance and other emergency services, was A. later declared clinically dead.
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http://www.awe24.com/20120523/10819/Na_Angochi_famia_a_bin_haya_homber_cu_a_purba_pone_fin_na_su_bida_y_nan_a_kite

Papiamentu translation:

at angochi family owing to come achieve man cu owing to try place end at his life y they owing to kite for of the tree

3 day happen come across, 23 of half 2012 21:46

diaranzon night algo rato first cu 9 or owing to enter informe cu one person owing to try place end at his life at angochi, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu one person masculino of 39 year of surname owing to.l. owing to try place end at his life door horca his self bao of one kill, but familiarnan owing to haye at y at once owing to place abao provided that espera of ambulance. but debi cu not was have ambulance available owing to ask the hour ey esun of san nicolas cual was the first for desocupa for bay at the sitio. at arrival of ambulance they owing to achieve they self work enough rato cu the victima first cu owing to transporte cu urgencia for hospital mirando in what situation the victima was. slachtofferhulp also owing to present at the cas! according we can owing to compronde of personal of ambulance cu during cu they was give asistencia ne victima, familiarnan was haci problem y till even wanted owing to fight cu they. ambulance is present for accomplish cu they duty of save life of person y not for molestia y mucho less for make problem. this is assure one caso of lamenta y condena. for locual is the servicio of ambulance they're haci all locual is at alcanse for give one mihor servicio but the minister responsable for salubridad cual is more abroad of aruba cu at aruba self owing to stay stick in time cu aruba was have 50000 inhabitant cu 2 post of ambulance, while aruba owing to casi triplifica in the cantidad of person. minister "wake up" y aggrandize the cantidad of ambulance at keep because so only can save life of person. or life of person not be worth?. come across

1.  No ambulance available?
2.  50k inhabitants?  I thought it was 90k?  Did 40k leave?  ::MonkeyCool::

The 40k may be hiding making donkey bone chachkies and leaving them all over the island   ::piggy::

BBM
ARUBA

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/aa.html
 ::snipping2::
Population:
   Field info displayed for all countries in alpha order.
107,635 (July 2012 est.)
country comparison to the world: 190
note: estimate based on a revision of the base population, fertility, and mortality numbers, as well as a revision of 1985-99 migration estimates from outmigration to inmigration, which is assumed to continue into the future; the new results are consistent with the 2000 census
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Thank you for posting this Janet, it is every parent's nightmare and this holiday weekend must be unbearable each time it passes for this family. I don't think I could survive it.

It's just so poignant..........

One has to wonder if Anita and Aruba ever lost a moment to caring one iota for the loss, only for their own sorry hides.

Hi none

 ::HelloKitty::

I realize that Beth has been on a personal mission since departing from the Island in August, 2005 ... a mission to rise from "victim to victor" over her circumstances but ... each anniversary which marks that defining point in time when her life changed forever has to be sooo difficult.

Anita van der Sloot?  What can I say other than that woman does not get it.  Even when it about her son's victims ... it is about her.

Janet

++++

Nothing has Remained Intact

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 2:  Nothing of my life before Natalee disappeared in Aruba has remained intact.  Not my career.  Not my home.  Not my marriage.  My husband, Jug, and I are divorcing after six years.  My son, Natalee's younger brother, Matt, and I are moving in two days.  I have a lot to do.


Anita van der Sloot

Jo-An
Re: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT MURDERS AGAIN?
 « Reply #265 on: June 19, 2010, 09:34:10 AM »

Interview with Anita van der Sloot - De Telegraaf - June 19th 2010

Anita: I now believe that Joran might have done something to Stephany in Peru. Maybe an act of rage? I don't know. I'm very saddened that that businessman Flores lost his daughter, and I my son. That's the way it feels like."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8032.msg1164835#msg1164835


Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, MOTHER OF DUTCH SUSPECT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare but our life is a nightmare, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

I Will Press On

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Pages 230/231:  I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not.  I know it doesn't look good.  But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss.  And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith.  It won't ever be the same.  But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.

The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.

Page 232:  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.

www.cafepress.com/justicetrain

7 years.  Who would have thought?  No justice for Natalee yet but at least he is in prison and there is hope he'll be forced to visit Birmingham.

Happy 7th anniversary monkey friends. 

Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008

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BETH HOLLOWAY: And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html

I think they were saying that there were only 2 ambulances when there were only 50,000 inhabitants; and since that has (tripled?) the minister should wake up and realize that they need to increase that number to save lives; or are the lives not worth it?

There's still HOPE for some justice!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::

Happy anniversary to you too Frijole!   ::MonkeyCool::

 

Seven years ? I am surprised ! Thanks for putting my blinkie kitty there !

Thanks, Frijole.  What an unhappy event that brought us all together.  But together we stand side by side, warts and all (sorry Kermit).

 ::teddybear::

 ::justice2NJ::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Please light a candle remembering Natalee and her family's quest for answers.  Since two were created, you may use one or both.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s

 ::justice2NJ::

I just realized I have had the same bumper sticker on my car for almost 7 years.  It just says "Find Natalee." and says Aruba with a red cross slash through it.   I have never had a sticker on my car before, but if I have made one person aware of the circumstances, then it was worth it.  I have had many ask me what it is about.   

Hi AZSunny!

 ::HelloKitty::

I still have two rubber Natalee bracelets.  I have not worn them in years but they are precious nevertheless.  About three years ago my then 7 year old grandaughter was rummaging through my jewelry box.  She dropped one of the bracelets and ... our golden retriever Brandi who was lying next to the table must have thought it was people food.  Lickity split she had swallowed it.  Momentarily I was inwardly angry at both of them.

Janet

I still have my Natalee bracelet and a monkey mug from way back, although they are packed in storage until (IF) I ever get out on my own again. :(

They only need two. One is for pictures on pamphlets and the other is for driving to get take out food!

Hey Mericano, I'd really like to save you... but first things first: HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GOT? - Dennis Jacobs aka Frosted Flake

Rooba is still Rooba.

The players change - the logo gets redesigned - the awards and ribbons have the new year stamped on them...

...but the song remains the same! We got their number. ::MonkeyTongue::

Memorial Day - May 30, 2005

THE PROVERBIAL DREADED PHONE CALL

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 23:  Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her.  I take the backseat.  We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon.  Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures.  Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these.  Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi.  Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl.  "Mrs. Twitty?  My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you."  It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent.  She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba.  They are in Birmingham.  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive.  The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever.

Memorial Day - May 30, 2005

THE LONGEST HOUR OF MY LIFE

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Excerpts

Page 30 – 31:  We screech to a halt in front of the house and run inside, when I learn friends have secured a private plane.  We need to get to the airport in an hour.  In the bedroom I put a few things in a bag.

People are gathering at the house, but I don’t really notice.  I go into the kitchen and sit on the floor in a corner.  My back is against the glass French doors that lead out to a wooden deck, knees pulled up to my chest.  Macy the dog is right beside me.  She knows something is wrong.  I’m aware that people are staring at me, but unaware how focused I realy am on thinking about what to do.  Now that I don’t have the driving to concentrate on, it’s apparent that I’m in a very unique and unfamiliar state, a very trancelike, deep-thinking zone.  I’m all by myself, but not alone.

Tears roll slowly down my cheeks.  I sit in silence.  Praying.  Praying.  The sounds around me are like the “white noise” on those machines some people use to help them sleep.  I don’t talk.  The others discuss who will accompany me on the plane.  Waiting to go to the airport is the longest hour of my life.

On the way out the front door I grab Natalee’s beautiful senior portrait from the small sideboard in the foyer and reach over and take the one of her in her dance-team uniform off a table in the living room.

Memorial Day - May 30, 2005

"HELLISH" IS THE ONLY WORD THAT COMES TO MIND

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Excerpts

Page 31 - 35:  Clutching both portraits, Jug and I drive to the private hangar at the far side of the Birmingham airport.

Having this transportation made available to us so that we can get to the island so quickly is a blessing and a godsend.  If not for this extraordinarily generous gesture, we would have to wait until tomorrow to leave for Aruba.

I have never been on a private plane before.  As we approach the aircraft and walk up the few steps on the ladder and into the cabin I don’t even notice if it’s pretty or special or anything.  I go straight to the back and take a seat away from everyone else.  I don’t want to talk.  Have to think.

No one says much at all on the four-hour flight.

A small radar at the front of the plane shows we’re passing the Bahamas.  Passing Haiti.  The Dominican Republic.  Finally we inch toward a landmass that looks as it it could be the island.  Aruba looks very tiny.  We can do this, I think.  But first we have to find the right authorities.  How hard can that be?

My thoughts begin rushing uncontrollably.  Guilt, second-guessing the decision to let her go on this trip, horror at the thought of where she is and what is happening to her, fear, regret for not adhering to my apprehensions.  These emotions consume me all at once.  It’s frightening.  And paralyzing.  A parent just knows when something is wrong.

What has happened?  My thoughts are unclear, jumbled.  I’m on the edge of panic.  “Take some breaths,” I tell myself.  Mustering my strength, I suck it up and regain mental control.

It’s around eleven o’clock on Memorial Monday night when the island comes into full view.  I’m shocked by its land size.  I had imagined a small exotic island with a few tiki huts bordered by beautifu beaches.  I really don’t know anything about the place of what to expect.  It looks and feels like we’re approaching Atlanta at night.  How will we find Natalee down there?  It's much bigger than what I envisioned.  Overwhelmed and discouraged, again I must quickly refocus.  All the while holding on very tightly to her portraits.

We land, and the door opens.  The heat and the humidity hit me hard in the face even at this hour.  Like opening the oven door and getting that big hot blast.  The wind is whipping.  My hair is all over the place.  I can hardly see the steps to go down.  I soon learn this is how it always is here: very hot and very windy.  “Hellish” is the only word that comes to mind

Memorial Day - May 30, 2005

I FEARED THE WORST BUT PRAYED FOR A MIRACLE

Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise
By Dave Holloway

Excerpts

Page 6:  On Monday, May 30, Natalee's trip came to an end, and she was due to fly home to Alabama.  But late in the afternoon, I received a call from Matt telling me that Natalee had missed her flight and that Beth was getting on a plane to Aruba.

Page 7:  Beth had flown out of Birmingham on a friend's private jet as soon as she learned that Natalee had missed her flight.  I contacted a commerical airline and booked the next flight out for 5:30 a.m. the following morning.

Later that night, Matt called again to tell me that Natalee's flight had been rebooked, and she would be coming home the next day.  Someone from Delta Airlines had confirmed that a female had called and changed the flight.

I cancelled my flight, but I was still concerned because no one had heard from Natalee.

The next morning, I started making more calls.  I could not reach Beth, and I was unable to get a member of the Aruban police force to talk to me on the phone about Natalee.

By noon I learned that Natalee was not getting on the plane.  I found out that it had been a chaperone from Natalee's group who had changed her flight in the hopes that she would reappear.  It was then that I knew something tragic must have happened.  I feared the worst, but prayed for a miracle.  I hung up the phone and broke down .....

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Carpe - Scared Monkeys



Freebird

If I leave here tomorrow
Would you still remember me?

Lynyrd Skynyrd

I use to write "Boycott Aruba" and "Justice for Natalee Holloway" on all my (dollar) bills.  I wonder if any are still in circulation.

Medical mystery tour brings (Beth) Holloway to Okoboji
Saturday, June 11, 2011

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"For me, I have a perpetrator in prison, so I can't ask for anything more right now,"  Beth Holloway said. "That's where he belongs and now I'm able to focus and move onward in the help that I can do for others who have missing loved ones -- maybe they don't have recovery of their loved one's remains or they don't have a perpetrator in prison, so my hope is to shed enough light and to help them."

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http://www.spencerdailyreporter.com/story/1735599.html

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At least Joran is now behind bars.  He is terrified of coming to this country because we have the death penalty and he is afraid that some how some way he might end up facing something like that.  He is afraid of something being done to him like he as done to others.

Joran is in one of the worst prisons in the world, living in dread and fear.  Paulus is dead and in an early grave.  It feels like a kind of justice to me.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Oh, Anna...

How I always love to see that in writing. I have seen some pretty surly nappy bastards in my time on this earth. Paul made most of them look like Little League coaches and Boy Scout troop leaders. That lousy sob was one wormy rotten egg.

May Joran follow him. A coward dies 1,000 deaths - it's like dying nine hundred and ninety nine times, you are so miserable & tired by the end, that a little fuzzy tennis ball can knock you right over.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

See ya - would not want to be ya, Van der sloot. ::justice2NJ::

~ As always, stated so eloquently, Anna ...

In my view, his most intense fear from the very beginning moments seven years ago, has been the thought of answering to a court in Alabama.   All else, has emanated from this ...   :(

I agree, with a slight exception.

Joran's greatest fear is Beth Holloway.  She has already proven many times just what she is capable of.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive
Sir Walter Scott (1771-1832)


From the Moment I Arrived on the Island

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
Published June 24, 2005

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BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I think I have made it clear that I have some pretty strong feelings, from the moment I arrived on this island, 11:00 p.m. on May the 30th. In addition to that, May 31st, in the early morning hours between 1:00 and 4:00 a.m., I had even stronger feelings.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160612,00.html


May 30, 2005 - 11:00 PM

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Excerpts

Page 30 -39:  The students say Natalee got into a silver or gray Honda with a young man who had befriended some of her classmates.  One of Jug’s nephews, Thomas, says he actually met the guy Natalee was seen leaving Carlos ‘n Charlie’s with.  Thomas says this young man’s name is “Gerran or Juran or something like that.”  The last information communicated from the students before they board their plane is that this Joran guy is a tourist from Holland.  And he is staying at the Holiday Inn.

It's around eleven o'clock on Memorial Monday night when the island comes into full view.

We land and the door opens.

We arrive at the Holiday Inn, get out of the van, and go inside the open-air lobby of the hotel.  The coach and DEA agent are to our left, and we turn to walk toward them.     

Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the front desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.  It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied to them.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.


May 31, 2005 - 3:00 AM

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Excerpts

Page 44 - 47:  Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fence, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just as the students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and address.

At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

The silver Honda is not there anymore.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door.  He is Joran’s father, Paulus van der Sloot.  He has his cell phone in his hand.  The police ask to see Joran.  Paulus responds that he isn’t home and calls his son to find out where he is.  He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament at the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.

Again we load up, adding Paulus to this madcap possee riding in convoy with the police to the Wyndham.  The police lead the pack.

We arrive at the Wyndham, and the car barely stops rolling before I jump out …

I run to to the back where Joran told his father he would be and return to the front.  There is no sign of him.

I turn around to see Paulus on his cell phone again.  He tells us that his son is back at their house now.

Everybody is running and running to the cars.  Few Words are spoken.  We arrive to see people standing in front of the house.  They are Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot.

Joran and Deepak have supposedly returned from a night of gambling at the Wyndham.  It’s about three o’clock in the morning.  It’s a school night.  They aren’t dressed as if they have been to a casino.  They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts.  I make a mental note that I will ask to see the casino footage from the Wyndham later on.  Just to see if they were really there tonight or, rather, this morning.

Page 121:  And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there – the same time we were stand in the van der Sloots’ front yard in the wee hours of May, 31.

s.t.

There was a time I was under the impression that "intuition" and "hinky feelings" emerged out of a vacuum.  Now I am convinced otherwise.  There are clues ... clues that the mind may not immediately reveal but then a light bulb shines.

Beth's clues?  Natalee's mother shares in her book that she authored with Sunny Tillman ... the book entitled "Loving Natalee: A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Fait.".

Janet

+++++

More than an Intuition

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 23:  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive.  The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever.


The Clues

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 34:  A parent just knows when something is wrong.  Natalee has never in her eighteen years exhibited any behaviors that even remotely resemble missing a scheduled time.  I let her go on the trip because she earned it.  She promised to be careful.  Maybe she was too volunerable and naive.  But she is so responsible.  She makes good decision.

s.t.

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/113285-politie-zoekt-twee-vermiste-personen

Google translation:

Police looking for two missing people         

TUESDAY, MAY 29, 2012 10:02

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Ernest Ludwig 'Tico' Petronia (74, left) is missing since Sunday afternoon. Jason Patrick van Heyningen (19) ran away from home last Friday.

ORANGE CITY - Ernest Ludwig 'Tico' Petronia (74) is missing since Sunday afternoon and Patrick Jason van Heyningen (19) since Friday. Both people have run away from home. Petronia had attached a suicide note behind.

The stepdaughter of Petronia, Maureen Dirks, announces that he is depressed. This afternoon, a search site including Search and Rescue Foundation Aruba (SARFA), police, friends and family. Previous searches yielded nothing so far. Petronia lives on the Wabistraat 9. When the family Sunday no contact with him was, they warned the police. This found an empty house, and closed with the lights on. The man left a suicide note behind and left without phone and personal belongings such as passport, said Dirks. A neighbor gave him around three o'clock in the Wabistraat seen running away. Subsequently he was last around five hours in Paradise Neighborhood seen near the Maranatha church. In this environment, therefore the search this afternoon. Dirks, who works with the police, says that anyone who participates in the search this afternoon around half past three come together in near downtown Playa Pabao and then start the quest.

On the day of departure Petronia wore a white checkered shirt with color. He is a welcome guest in Paris Manuelitos restaurant and Bar. Police and family are calling for anyone who Petronia after Sunday has seen or knows anything more to contact. This can be with the police by calling 100, Dirks by calling 593-4273 or by calling 594-3194 Nelson Petronia.

Tiene r

The teenager Jason Van Heyningen Friday, May 25 ran away from home. It is not known what he wore on the day of departure. He lives in Primavera 10 by his parents and sits on the afternoon MAVO. The police let further know that Van Heyningen three times arrested and drugs. He speaks Papiamento, Spanish, English and Dutch. Who knows more about him after the Van Heyningen or deliberate on Friday has seen, can also contact the police by calling 100. Calling his father Pedro van Heyningen (565-0952) or mother Piola van Heyningen (732-2466) can also.

I wonder if Jason is related to Rene van Heyningen, the guy who was beheaded in the cemetery on the day Paulus was first interviewed as a witness.

HEYNINGEN, Rene Michel van   – partially decapitated man found at cemetery on 6-18-05. Rumored to run the incinerator at the Refinery. It is also reported that he ran the incinerator at Oduber Hospital.  Yesenia Castillo, his wife(?) is reportedly being held in KIA in conjunction with his murder.

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Memorial Day - May 30, 2005

Hope Comes and Then Goes

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Excerpts

Page 35 - 36:  We land, and the door opens.  The heat and the humidity hit me hard in the face even at this hour.  Like opening the oven door and getting that big hot blast.  The wind is whipping.  My hair is all over the place.  I can hardly see the steps to go down.  I soon learn this is how it always is here: very hot and very windy.  “Hellish” is the only word that comes to mind.

We walk a few feet into the processing area to show our passports and go through customs.  It's a small unimportant looking structure with a porch connected to the front of it.  The owner of the plane has arranged for "handlers" to meet us here to assist with customs and ground transportation, common practice when private planes arrive in Aruba.

An official-looking American woman in the processing area draws my attention.  Her badge identifies her as a U.S. Homeland Security Office representative, and I hone in on her like radar.  The sight of her is our fist real sign of hope.  I walk over to her and have to restrain myself from grabbing her by her lapels and pulling her into a hug to thank her for being here for us.  All the calls made to the FBI and the U.S. Embassy by Natalee's brother and our friends must have paid off.  That's why this official person is here to help us.  I get very close to her and begin to tell her about Natalee and what has happened.  Talking a mile a minute, I explain about Natalee's disappearance and our desperate situation.  I ask for her help in figuring out where to start and what to do.

She never changes her stance, remaining in an "at ease" position with her hands behind her back.  She has very little to say; volunteers no information.  The encouraging thoughts that lifted me when I first laid eyes on her are quickly extinuished as I learn that she is always here.  The Aruba airport is her post.  She isn't here for us.  She can't do a single thing to help Natalee.  She has no special powers.  No authority.

This is the first of hundreds of times along this impending tragic journey that hope would dissolve almost as quickly as it would appear.  It would wash over us like the tide, then ebb.  Hope comes, then goes.  But it's the constant waiting for the next wave to roll in, and reaching for each new sign of hope that will keep us going, as it brings with it the energy and encouragement needed to presson in our search for Natalee, even if only for a few moments at a time.

Prisons in Peru are ugly places, Alabama must have better conditions.
His friend Mary could visit him, Joe T could be the lawyer and visit him, Mary pays Taco.
But then, he wouldn't be able to have a big screen tv or be able to gamble and pay people to be his friends.

Hi Kat_Gram

 ::HelloKitty::

The following article reveals why it would be beneficial for Joran to fight extradition to the States.

Janet

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Joran Van der Sloot to Fight US Extradition from Peru
Published May 09, 2012

The prime suspect in the unsolved 2005 disappearance of American Natalee Holloway, Joran Van der Sloot, told a judge on Tuesday that he will fight extradition from Peru to the United States, where he faces extortion and wire fraud charges in connection with Holloway's disappearance.

Van der Sloot faces an indictment in the U.S. for allegedly accepting $25,000 in early 2010 in exchange for an unfulfilled promise to lead Holloway's mother's lawyer to the body after her disappearance in Aruba.

Judge Zenaida Vilca informed Van der Sloot of the U.S. extradition request during a closed door meeting at Piedras Gordas prison just north of Lima. The 24-year-old Dutchman told the judge he would fight extradition, his lawyer, Maximo Altez, said.

If he stays put, Van der Sloot could be released on parole after serving a third of his 28-year sentence for killing a Lima woman he met at a casino in May 2010, said Altez.  But if he were convicted in the U.S. he likely wouldn't qualify for early parole in Peru.

Under the U.S.-Peru extradition treaty he would be returned to Peru to finish out his sentence. Then, if he were convicted in the U.S., he would be sent there to serve the second sentence.

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In an interview with ABC news, Altez stated his belief that in the end Van der Sloot will lose his fight to stay in Peru.

“The power of the United States will assure that Joran has to face a U.S. judge and I think the extradition will happen probably in two or three months,” he said

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/05/09/joran-van-der-sloot-to-fight-us-extradition/

Steel Magnolias are blessed with great courage & noble inner strength.     ::MonkeyCool::

The above posts make me SMILE and NOD!!   :smt040 :smt045

Beth is such an example of what love can do!!!

So true.

Beth is one CLASS  ACT!

Bubba is looking forward to your stay in AL.

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He who laughs last, laughs best.


Bwaaahahaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!


 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

And Bubba's a whole lot bigger and 'way tougher than Joran!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, the death penalty in this country scares those born into countries without it terribly.  Since 9/11 there have been laws passed concerning U.S. citizens abroad that have not really been tested so much internationally.  They are still sort of murky as to how and when they apply.  Joran is right to be scared.  Extortion alone carries 25 years so there is no way he is going to see the outside again maybe ever in this lifetime.  Hard to live that long with his personality.

and he is quite literally a man with no balls....welcome to the USA!

 ::justice2NJ::

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 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::

Hope

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 145-146: French Philosopher Pierre Teilhard De Chardin is quoted as saying, "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience." This intuitive and deep reflection of who we are and why we're here on this earth stays with me throughout the course of this tragedy.  And it helps me make some sense out of the madness in this world.  9/11.  War.  The death and loss of children.  A lot of people have a lot of pain to endure.  And one person's life is no more important than another's.  The philosopher's statement reminds me that we're just passing through on this human journey, that that is the hard part, and that there is a promise of more to come.

I think about the sermon delivered by Rabbi Jonathan Miller at Temple Emanu-El in Burmingham regarding Natalee's disappearance.  He said, "Hope is the belief that things can be made right again."  I agree.  It may not be in this lifetime, but one day things will be made right.  And my pain and the pain suffered by all people will end.  I'd have no hope at all if I believed that this human existence was all there was.

  :smt049

Welcome to Birmingham Joran!  They will all be there to meet you.  The Holloways ... The Reynolds and ... the Twittys.

Janet

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Joran van der Sloot

'I wanted to get back at Natalee's family - her parents have been making my life tough for five years.'

October 2010

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-true-story-book/zMY1TGGVkU2Kc8LMCiU6pA.cspx

 
Beth Holloway

'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet.'

November 2010

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

s.t.

http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/peru%E2%80%99s-top-court-oks-joran-extradition-us


Peru’s top court OKs Joran extradition to US

Published on 2 June 2012 - 5:21pm

Joran van der Sloot may, in due course, be extradited to the United States, Peru’s Supreme Court has ruled.

Mr Van der Sloot is currently serving a 28-year prison sentence in Peru for the murder of Stephany Flores, though an appeal against the ruling is still pending. He is wanted in the United States in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, who went missing in Aruba in 2005, and alleged attempts by the Dutchman to extort her mother.

Peru’s Supreme Court stipulated, however, that Mr Van der Sloot can only be extradited to the United States after serving his sentence. Peru’s government has yet to make a decision on the matter.

 ::MonkeyTears::


Perus top court OKs Joran extradition to US
02/06/2012

Joran van der Sloot may, in due course, be extradited to the United States, Peru’s Supreme Court has ruled.

Mr Van der Sloot is currently serving a 28-year prison sentence in Peru for the murder of Stephany Flores, though an appeal against the ruling is still pending. He is wanted in the United States in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, who went missing in Aruba in 2005, and alleged attempts by the Dutchman to extort her mother.

Peru’s Supreme Court stipulated, however, that Mr Van der Sloot can only be extradited to the United States after serving his sentence. Peru’s government has yet to make a decision on the matter.

http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/dutch-news/perus-top-court-oks-joran-extradition-to-us_231431.html

http://peru21.pe/2012/06/02/actualidad/aprueban-extradicion-van-der-sloot-eeuu-2026952

Google translation

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If I understand correctly, if Joran is transferred now to the U. S. and is convicted of the crimes he's charged with; he would more than likely have to serve his entire sentence in Peru.  He wouldn't be eligible to be released in the approximate 9 years that's been talked about in relation to his conviction for Stephany's murder.  That's why IMO they don't want him transferred until he's "completed" his sentence in Peru.

But from what I understand from the article...maybe it's not over yet? 

Can the government decide to extradite him now despite what the Supreme Court stipulated?

 ::MonkeyCool::

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/1422768/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-cumplira-condena-luego-extraditado-eeuu

Google translation

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I am thinking that it would be prudent to extradite him here to Alabama to stand trial for extortion sooner, rather than later, due to time constraints involving all witnesses, etc.  How the legal technicalities of the exchange process will evolve remains to be seen.

Best wait for an official announcement ... ?

June 2, 2005

The Tapes Play Out

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Excerpts

Page 96 - 97: Jug and I are in the hotel room only a few minutes when there is a knock on the door.  A hotel employee says they have the video footage of the lobby from the night Natalee disappeared ready for me to look at downstairs.  Immediately a second wind comes with this four o'clock news.  We rush downstairs to a small room near the main front desk.  There's no sign on the door, very nondescript.  We're advised to go inside.  Slowly I open the door.  As it widens, the opening reveals police officials, one after the other after the other, a dozen or more of them standing around in this small room.  At four o'clock in the morning.  Waiting for us.  There's a desk and computer screen.  It's the security room.

The tapes play out.  The night passes, and Natalee never appears at the hotel where Joran and Deepak so elaborately demonstrated they left her.  She never came back.  She never got out of that car and stumbled and bumped her head like they told me.

There is silence in the little crowded room.  Eventually the quiet is broken as police officers and detectives who witness the same evidence we do in the wee hours of Thursday morning begin to speak very softly, almost whispering to one another in Dutch and Papiamento.  I don't know what they're saying, but they are very subdued.

The all see for themselves that Joran, Deepak, and Satish never brought Natalee back to the Holiday Inn.

http://www.larepublica.pe/02-06-2012/joran-van-der-sloot-cumplira-condena-en-peru-y-luego-sera-extraditado-eeuu

Google translation:

Joran van der Sloot comply sentence in Peru and then be extradited to U.S.
Saturday, June 2, 2012 | 7:37 a.m.

The relatives who would be his first victim required showing the location of the remains of the girl Natalee Holloway.

Joran Van Der Slot , tried in the country for the murder of Stephany Flores , return to the U.S. at the end of his sentence in Peru to answer for the murder of a young American woman occurred several years ago.

The Permanent Criminal Chamber admitted the information request extradition from the Alabama court, which would force the murderer sentenced to 28 imprisonment in our country meet the requirements of U.S. justice.

The family of Natalee Holloway , a girl who disappeared on May 30, 2005 shortly after meeting Van Der Slot , expect the subject to identify the area where you would find the girl's body and so can crack the case that has even inspired the creation of a film.

 ::snipping2::

If Joran van der Sloot were not to qualify for credit reduction for good behavior which some believe would never happen ... then 28 years later implies many involved in the happenings encompassing the happenings leading up to the "sting" may not be available for testifying.

How old is John Kelly?

It appears the Peruvian justice system has given Joran van der Sloot a free pass in regards to standing trial for the extortion of Beth Holloway.  Why?  What happened to the U.S.-Peru extradition treaty?

Janet

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Joran Van der Sloot to Fight US Extradition from Peru
Published May 09, 2012

The prime suspect in the unsolved 2005 disappearance of American Natalee Holloway, Joran Van der Sloot, told a judge on Tuesday that he will fight extradition from Peru to the United States, where he faces extortion and wire fraud charges in connection with Holloway's disappearance.

Van der Sloot faces an indictment in the U.S. for allegedly accepting $25,000 in early 2010 in exchange for an unfulfilled promise to lead Holloway's mother's lawyer to the body after her disappearance in Aruba.

Judge Zenaida Vilca informed Van der Sloot of the U.S. extradition request during a closed door meeting at Piedras Gordas prison just north of Lima. The 24-year-old Dutchman told the judge he would fight extradition, his lawyer, Maximo Altez, said.

If he stays put, Van der Sloot could be released on parole after serving a third of his 28-year sentence for killing a Lima woman he met at a casino in May 2010, said Altez.  But if he were convicted in the U.S. he likely wouldn't qualify for early parole in Peru.

Under the U.S.-Peru extradition treaty he would be returned to Peru to finish out his sentence. Then, if he were convicted in the U.S., he would be sent there to serve the second sentence.

<snipped>


http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/05/09/joran-van-der-sloot-to-fight-us-extradition/

I thought it was if he was convicted of a felonious crime in another country it would nullify the credit reduction and he would have to serve the full term in Peru.


Maybe the US can try him in absentia??!! It's been done before!

Guess we'll have to wait and see.....

JQK was born in Jul 1953, making him almost 59 years old.

I think you may be on to something..................................... or maybe the early interpretation of the Peruvian Supreme Court's statement is incorrect. Perhaps the US CAN try Joran now, but not actually serve any sentence until he has finished serving for his Peruvian crimes.

Could it be that Joran van der Sloot will qualify for for extradition to the Netherlands to serve his Peruvian sentence?  Does the extradition agreement between the Netherlands and Holland include extortion charges?  In other words ... would the Netherlands be compelled to extradite Joran to the US at the end of his Peruvian sentence?

The family of Natalee Holloway must be experiencing so many emotions in regards the underlying implications regarding unanswered questions encompassing todays decision by the Peruvian Supreme Court.  It has been an ongoing roller coaster of hope and despair since May 30, 2005.

Janet

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Hope Comes and Then Goes but ...

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Hope comes, then goes.  But it's the constant waiting for the next wave to roll in, and reaching for each new sign of hope that will keep us going, as it brings with it the energy and encouragement needed to press on in our search for Natalee, even if only for a few moments at a time.


Peru, Netherlands Agree Extradition Treaty

THE HAGUE, 14/05/11 - The Netherlands and Peru have agreed an extradition treaty. As a result, Joran van der Sloot may be able to serve his sentence in his own country.

Foreign Minister Uri Rosenthal and his Peruvian opposite number Jose Antonio Garcia Belaunde signed a treaty on the transfer of sentenced persons and the enforcement of criminal judgments on Thursday. "The treaty allows residents of the Kingdom of the Netherlands who have been sentenced to prison by final and irrevocable judgment in Peru" to serve their sentence in the Netherlands, said Rosenthal.

Peruvians who are in prison in the Netherlands are also entitled to invoke the treaty. Both countries are under obligation to grant a detainee's request. The treaty will enter into force as soon as both parliaments have approved it.

The two ministers discussed, among other things, human rights, cooperation in efforts to stop drug trafficking, promotion of mutual investment and knowledge exchange in the areas of water management and cooperation in judicial and defence matters.

The foreign ministry says there are currently 117 Dutch nationals in Peruvian prisons. In 113 cases, they have been convicted of a drugs offence. The most well-known Dutch prisoner is Joran van der Sloot, in jail for the murder of a Peruvian girl.

Van der Sloot's case is not yet concluded. Depending on the sentence his client receives, his lawyer Maximo Altez does plan to make use of the new regulation.

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More:
http://www.nisnews.nl/public/140511_4.htm

s.t.

http://news.visitaruba.com/news/expo-at-the-westin-art-gallery-ahead-of-2012-aruba-wine-food-and-art-festival/

Expo At The Westin Art Gallery Ahead Of 2012 Aruba Wine, Food And Art Festival

Published on: May 27, 2012

By: Carib Media

courtesy of: The Morning News
By Rosalie Klein

The bi-annual Aruba Wine, Food & Art Festival hosted by the Westin Resort in Palm Beach is rapidly approaching at the beginning of June and art aficionados can enjoy a preview of this year’s collection of art, now on display at the Westin Art Gallery until July.

The group exhibit of 25 works by 24 artists approach the theme of the festival, a celebration of the senses, from some very unique vantage points; many are homage to fine wine or food, others, like Margriet Blanken’s abstract piece, or Nigel Matthew’s “Aftermath,” leave it entirely up to the imagination of the viewer.

The gala opening on Saturday evening, May 19, attracted a diverse audience appreciative of art and culture, the exhibit curators Eduardo Valbuena and Michiko Takatsu expressed their satisfaction with this year’s collection of works, with some new names joining the roster.

Other exhibiting artists include: Adolfo Valbuena, Agaath van Vliet, Anita Hugen, Anita Seuren, Annemiek van Vliet, Carole Habibe, Deisy Gutierrez, Desiree Rep-Sporkslede, Edith Creutzberg de Haak, Edmond Tujeehut, Elvis Tromp, Frank Croes, hendrik Shouten, Irene Peterson, Joseph Miklojcik, Maria Teresa Martinez, Mavalda Tromp, Michiko Takatsu, Mirella Koolman, Miriam de L’Isle, Pablo Portugal and Timothy Charles.

 ::snipping2::

https://www.facebook.com/artloversaruba

Art Lovers Aruba
Yesterday
Untitled Album (21 photos)
Images of the Pre-opening Wine, Food and Art Exhibition 2012. The Opening of the Current Wine, Food and Art Festival will be tonight, Friday, June 1, 2012

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(Anita is third from left)

Not so surprising.

Aruba has always shown its poor taste and worse decision making skills!

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

Peru’s Supreme Court OK’s Joran Vander Sloot’s Extradition to US for Extortion in Connection with the Death of Natalee Holloway

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/06/02/perus-supreme-court-oks-joran-vander-sloots-extradition-to-us-for-extortion-in-connection-with-the-death-of-natalee-holloway/


 ::snipping2::

Peru’s top court OKs Joran extradition to US

http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/peru%E2%80%99s-top-court-oks-joran-extradition-us

::snipping2::

All hope is not lost that it will take 28 years for Joran to face extortion charges in the States.

Janet

We will have to wait and see what arrangements are made for Joran's trial in the U.S.  Of course it is not practical to wait 28 years to try him and I am sure this sort of thing has been done in the past satisfactorily.  Remember we are only getting a reporters version of the ruling and not anything official.

I think this may be the report that the other articles are based on.  If something wasn't "lost in translation", it seems to me that the possibility of Joran's extradition after his appeal is completed is still a possibility.  JMO

http://www.americatv.com.pe/portal/noticias/actualidad/aprueban-solicitud-de-extradicci-n-de-joran-van-der-sloot-estados-unidos

Google translation

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Approve request for extradition of Joran Van der Sloot to the U.S.
Friday, June 1, 2012

Joran Van der Sloot, sentenced to 28 years in prison for the murder of Stephanie Flores , will be extradited to the USA, after the Supreme Board approve the request by the Federal Court of Alabama . However, the transfer could take place when the process culminates in Peru or turns his entire sentence.

 ::snipping2::

Don't worry folks -- this was NOT a  ::CowboySmiley::victory for Joran.

Agreed, Wreck. I think Joran is fresh out of "victories" ever again.

 The U.S. wants to get ahold of him and charge him with Holloway's murder," said Michael Griffith, senior partner at the International Legal Defense Counsel.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/09/joran-van-der-sloot-us-extradition_n_1503871.html


MOORDENAAR -DUTCH translation means MURDERER!!

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Joran: "Things seem to be going even better than I hoped."
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=8

 Dos Leprechauns might be comn to America sooner then they think.

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Several hurdles left to clear before US case begins against convicted murderer Joran van der Sloot
Published May 08, 2012

Joran van der Sloot may eventually face trial in the US on fraud and extortion charges, but there are still a number of hurdles to clear before the 24-year-old Dutchman serves any time in a US jail.

<snipped>

He is currently appealing his murder conviction in Peru. Only after the appeal is decided will possible extradition to the US be considered. In Peru the request would go first to the Supreme Court, then to the Council of Ministers for a final decision.

If extradition for the wire fraud charges were approved, van der Sloot could face trial in Alabama. Peruvian officials say he would then be returned to Peru to continue serving out his murder sentence. He could serve time in a US jail, according to Peru’s Justice Minister, only after he completed serving his sentence in Peru.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/08/van-der-sloot-could-face-us-jail-time-on-fraud-and-extortion-charges/

Joran Van der Sloot to Fight US Extradition from Peru
Published May 09, 2012

The prime suspect in the unsolved 2005 disappearance of American Natalee Holloway, Joran Van der Sloot, told a judge on Tuesday that he will fight extradition from Peru to the United States, where he faces extortion and wire fraud charges in connection with Holloway's disappearance.

Judge Zenaida Vilca informed Van der Sloot of the U.S. extradition request during a closed door meeting at Piedras Gordas prison just north of Lima. The 24-year-old Dutchman told the judge he would fight extradition, his lawyer, Maximo Altez, said.

<snipped>

In an interview with ABC news, Altez stated his belief that in the end Van der Sloot will lose his fight to stay in Peru.

“The power of the United States will assure that Joran has to face a U.S. judge and I think the extradition will happen probably in two or three months,” he said

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/05/09/joran-van-der-sloot-to-fight-us-extradition/

Good thing her injuries were not life threatening!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://arubaherald.com/911/2579-tourist-injured-at-natural-pool.html

Tourist injured at Natural Pool         
Sunday, 27 May 2012 17:53
 
Saturday afternoon, while a couple was admiring the scenery at the Natural Pool (Cura di Turtuga or Conchi), the rough waters pushed the woman from the rocks. She suffered a bad cut and scratches to her body. The helicopter was not available and she had to be transported by SUV to Shete where paramedics were waiting to take her to the hospital.

So if I have this correct in my head, Joran will be extradited to AL to be tried on federal charges of some sort. When he is convicted he will have to return to Peru to serve the entire 28 years rather than the shortened version.  If he is still alive he will then return to the US and enter a federal prison (Leavenworth would be good unless there is somewhere worse by then) where he should spend the rest of his existence.  My concern is that if he somehow escapes a life, or death, sentence here the US judge will allow his time served in Peru to count towards time served here.  Or even run the US sentence concurrently rather than consecutively.  Surely that can't and won't happen, he deserves so much worse than he will ever possibly get from the justice system.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Truth or Deception?

Janet

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Van Der Sloot’s Lawyer: ‘It’s A Waste Of Money To Extradite Joran To The U.S.’Van Der Sloot’s Lawyer: ‘It’s A Waste Of Money To Extradite Joran To The U.S.’
Posted on May 10, 2012 @ 11:00PM 

After Joran van der Sloot appeared in a Peruvian court Tuesday to fight an extradition order that could send him back to the U.S. to face new charges, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting that his attorney believes it is a waste of tax-payers’ money to have him stand trial in America.

“This week I am going to present a motion with the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights on behalf of Joran van der Sloot to halt the extradition of him from Peru to the U.S.,” explained one of attorneys Aldo Cotrina. “I believe it will be successful because our claims against Peru for human rights violation are strong.”

As RadarOnline.com previously reported, the Dutchman, who confessed to the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in May 2010, appeared before a judge and prosecutor and stated that he would prefer to finish serving a 28-year murder sentence there, rather than travel to America to stand trial for extortion and wire fraud charges in connection with the mysterious disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

<snipped>

“He is trying to avoid extra prison time,” said Cotrina, who explained that the Supreme Court in Peru still has to make a decision about his murder conviction and Joran wants to be in the country to appeal that ruling.

The longer the confessed killer and his legal team can drag the procedure out, the more chance he has of avoiding being deported at all, as the statute of limitations for the fraud charge which was filed in 2010 is three years.

In June 2010, a federal grand jury in Alabama indicted van der Sloot on charges that he tried to extort $250,000 from Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway. Van der Sloot offered to provide what turned out to be bogus information about the whereabouts of Holloway's remains in exchange for the money, according to the indictment.

<snipped>

“They want to bring him over as soon as possible, before the statute of limitation has passed. We just have to delay it for a year then they can’t charge him,” revealed his attorney.

While many hope that once van der Sloot is in the country, he will ultimately be charged with the murder of the Alabama teen (he was arrested twice during the original investigation but never charged), Cotrina claims that will not happen because of a document signed between the U.S. and Peru in 2002 regarding the extradition of any individual between the two countries.

“America has to take into consideration that they can only charge with him with what is stated on the order. They can’t add any additional charges afterwards,” he revealed.

<snipped>

“He can only be charged with wire fraud extortion, not with murder,” he told RadarOnline.com.

“The other issue is that wire fraud and extortion in Peru are considered ‘a violation,’ with a maximum sentence of one year. The U.S. has to sentence him according to Peruvian law because of the extradition agreement."

Ultimately, “The U.S. is going to spend a lot of money to get him there for nothing!” Claimed Cotrina, who is traveling from Lima to Washington DC to file the legal motion against Joran’s transportation on May 18.

“People assume once he is on American soil they can charge him with murder, but we are going to be sure that the U.S. has to respect the extradition agreement and make sure that doesn't happen.”

The 24-year-old Dutchman is currently being held in Peru’s maximum security prison Piedras Gordas but hoping to return to the relative luxury of Castro Castro.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/05/joran-van-der-sloot-extradition-lawyer-waste-money

"intentionally, negligently, wantonly...unlawfully conducting themselves" in a way that brought about fatal injuries

http://www.eonline.com/news/ex-holloway_suspects_sue_dr_phil/53983#ixzz1wm5GDTFv

I'd say more like attorney's desperation is all that is. Just cuz he says it doesn't make it so. We are dealing with
THE USA now - a whole different ballgame.

Count on it!

This is Joran's greatest fear and was also that of his parents.  Joran is terified this will happen and he will be given the death penalty for his prolonged torture of the family.

This is used so rarely and is so new that I don't think anyone has any idea how it works, probably not even the courts.

But it is the heavy that hangs over Joran's head every day  of his life and has since he murdered Natalie Holloway.  Federal executions are rare but they have happened.

But even without this, the federal extortion charge carries a maximum of 25 years which should be enough. 

Anna, you are absolutely right!! Joran will never be free again. He is already in Hell. Let's hope he spill the beans before his demise.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2694/Internet-Media/article/detail/3265744/2012/06/04/Wat-was-er-nou-zo-goed-aan-die-show-van-Peter-R.dhtml

Google translation

What's so good to show that Peter R.?
By: Thijs van Soest - 04/06/12, 14:21

Besides his outstanding work as a crime reporter, Peter R. de Vries especially an excellent marketer. Days before it was broadcast on roaring way you made ​​it clear that the show next Sunday "really could not miss." That Peter R. De Vries then often disappointed, his great merit. After 17 years, yesterday was his last show by more than a million viewers. One last look back: the Top 5 according Volkskrant.nl:.
 
1) Joran
The hidden camera action from 2008 where Joran De Vries was unmasked as the murderer of Natalee Holloway drew fewer than 7 million viewers. It is still one of the most watched Dutch TV programs ever. The images of the undercover operation in a car packed with cameras Joran "friend" Patrick also went around the world.
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http://www.televizier.nl/artikel/10121/laatste-uitzending-peter-r-de-vries-misdaadverslaggever

Google translation

Last broadcast Peter R. de Vries Crime Reporter

After tonight, stop 'Peter R. crime reporter De Vries' final. Televizier Peter looks back on five unresolved topdossiers. Readers of Peterrdevries.nl the five unsolved cases considered below topdossiers. Peter himself finds it difficult to make a selection: "Lots of things for me are right, you can not compete there, although many of the killings of children and youth in me. I come easily to about 30 cases where people have me awake at night may make when they know the solution, even after the last broadcast. I quit the program, but after a long break I just go back to work as a crime reporter. "
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4. Natalee Holloway
When Peter is solid bite in the disappearance of American Natalee case on the island of Aruba, did research that brought him international fame and an Emmy Award. Despite his efforts, including undercover investigation, the main suspect Joran van der Sloot was never known, nor Natalee's remains ever found.
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last Episode
A murder case is solved tonight, however. In the last episode travels to Lebanon to Peter on the murderer of the Rotterdam Fanchette van den Tol to identify and to confront the family of the murdered woman in 1992. From 21.30 Peter and his team looks back on 17 years reporting on crime with a special backstage television broadcast which is given a look behind the scenes of the crime program. Affscheidsaflevering This promises to be quite emotional. Even the usually stoical Peter R. leave it untouched.
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Considering the Kalpoes' attorneys have submitted a transcript/video of Joran's own words from the Range Rover recording as evidence in the defamation lawsuit ...  Joran's own words regarding the non-involvement of the Satish and Deepak in the events encompassing the demise/disappearance of Natalee Holloway ... I hope that the judge in the defamation lawsuit does not agree with Peter Devries contention and he thinks once ... thinks twice ... regarding the truth of Joran's claim prior to rendering his judgement.

Is Peter Devries on record as a witness for the Plaintiffs?

If the judge embraces Joran's Range Rover "confession" as gospel ... the implication is he/she believes that Joran acted completely alone with the assistance of an unknown accomplice after the Kalpoes dropped Natalee and him off at the beach.

Janet

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The Range Rover "Confession" and the Defamation Lawsuit Connection

Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
Date: Wednesday Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET

LOS ANGELES — A California judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, lawyer for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward Ferns. "I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, van der Sloot claims Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing and he tried to revive her but failed. He said the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for van der Sloot, said his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and disposed of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

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In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful-death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206/


Peter Devries - The Non-Involvement of the Kalpoes

Cracking the Holloway Case?
Feb 7, 2008 7:00 PM EST

De Vries spoke to NEWSWEEK's Catharine Skipp about the case and his role in it to date.

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NEWSWEEK: Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

No, not at all.  On the tapes Joran calls them stupid.  I don't believe they were involved.

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http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

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Peter:  Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


NANCY GRACE
Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET

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GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html

s.t.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/peru-court-says-dutchmans-van-der-sloot-can-be-extradited-only-after-murder-sentence-served/2012/06/04/gJQAJuZiDV_story.html

Peru court says Dutchman Van der Sloot can be extradited only after murder sentence served
Updated: Monday, June 4, 1:03 PM

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Altez told The Associated Press that the Supreme Court’s decision follows a pattern in Peru “because there are various people in the same situation and they will all be extradited when they finish their sentences. There’s no reason Joran van der Sloot should be different.”

Van der Sloot is appealing his sentence and the Supreme Court said that if the appeal is successful he could be extradited immediately thereafter.

Altez said his client would resist that.

 “At the end of the day, the decision on whether to extradite Joran is political,” he said.
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Secret recordings attained without a court are generally inadmissible in a US court of law.  And since this recording was made secretly, without a court order and in a FOREIGN COUNTRY, its admissibility
is highly doubtful.

The issue in this lawsuit is whether Dr Phil defamed the Kalpoe bros when he broadcasted the shortened version of Skeeters recordings. I'm not an attorney, but I would think that deVries recordings are not only inadmissible but irrelevant.

If Joran's appeal is sucessful ... the implication would be that there would be no justice for Stephany.  Do I have that right?

If Joran's appeal is unsucessful ... the implication would be that Joran would not be extradited until he has served his Peruvian sentence.  Do I have that right?

What about the three year statute of limitations for fraud charges?

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Janet

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Van Der Sloot’s Lawyer: ‘It’s A Waste Of Money To Extradite Joran To The U.S.’Van Der Sloot’s Lawyer: ‘It’s A Waste Of Money To Extradite Joran To The U.S.’
Posted on May 10, 2012 @ 11:00PM  

The longer the confessed killer and his legal team can drag the procedure out, the more chance he has of avoiding being deported at all, as the statute of limitations for the fraud charge which was filed in 2010 is three years.

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“They want to bring him over as soon as possible, before the statute of limitation has passed. We just have to delay it for a year then they can’t charge him,” revealed his attorney.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/05/joran-van-der-sloot-extradition-lawyer-waste-money

A statute of limitations is an enactment in a common law legal system that sets the maximum time after an event that legal proceedings based on that event may be initiated.

Joran is already indicted, meaning legal proceedings have gone beyond initiation, they are active.  There is a formal request for extradition so that legal proceedings may continue.

As far as Joran's appeal being successful, it appears as if there is some confusion as to an all or nothing outcome.  There could be a simple reduction of years anywhere from 1 - 28 years.

As far as an unsuccessful outcome to the appeal, and that limiting extradition to the US, we will just have to wait and see what Peru decides.  All we really know, it that Peru has agreed to the extradition, but with some restrictions pending the outcome of his appeal.

http://twitter.com/#!/PeterRdeV (http://twitter.com/#!/PeterRdeV)

http://twitter.com/PeterRdeV/status/194360629056897024 (http://twitter.com/PeterRdeV/status/194360629056897024)

http://twitter.com/PeterRdeV/status/194360420558045184 (http://twitter.com/PeterRdeV/status/194360420558045184)

Google translation

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 ::MonkeyCool::

http://nos.nl/artikel/379890-laatste-aflevering-peter-r-de-vries.html

Google translation

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/06032012_PRDV_LastShow.png)

I heart DeVries for the greater good he did do... he made Joran's life not worth living.

I will never believe the Kal-dopes were innocent. They were in it for whatever they could get... because they are miserable useless guys with nothing better to do with their time. Joran played them later like the tools they are... because he could. Joran's dog had a higher IQ than
the Kalpoes. Did Satish graduate yet? Is he on the 10 year plan or what?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

He hasn't graduated from PennFoster.edu yet?

Bwahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/05/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-blotter-idUS236043756920120605

Van der Sloot's Extradition to US Must Wait
By Andrew Chow, JD at FindLaw.com
Mon Jun 4, 2012 9:46pm EDT

Joran van der Sloot's extradition to the United States will not happen until after he serves his sentence for murder in Peru, the country's highest court has ruled. That could be as long as 28 years.

But the decision by Peru's Supreme Court is not final, as Peru's justice minister and Cabinet must also approve it, van der Sloot's lawyer told the Associated Press.

Van der Sloot, convicted of murder in Peru, faces U.S. charges in connection with the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba. "At the end of the day, the decision on whether to extradite Joran is political," his attorney told the AP.

The political process is rooted in the extradition treaty between the United States and Peru. The treaty allows a person who's convicted of a crime in Peru to be extradited to the United States to face prosecution for a separate crime.

If convicted and sentenced in the United States, the person would be sent back to Peru to finish his sentence, then extradited again to the United States to serve time there.

But Peru's Supreme Court apparently wants Joran van der Sloot to first serve out his Peruvian prison sentence before standing trial in the United States on lesser charges related to the Holloway case.

As other Peruvian prisoners are "in the same situation," the Supreme Court felt "[t]here's no reason Joran van der Sloot should be different," van der Sloot's lawyer told the AP.
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