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Title: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on April 12, 2012, 04:11:54 PM
(http://www.clickorlando.com/image/view/-/10633534/medRes/2/-/maxh/360/maxw/640/-/a3pcufz/-/George-Zimmerman-and-Trayvon-Martin-jpg.jpg) Seminole County Sheriff's Office/Courtesy GlobalGrind.com



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 10, 2012, 05:51:35 PM
https://www.facebook.com/MJVAfamily

Mark E. NeJame
11 minutes ago
I'll be breaking major news regarding three new findings in the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case at 9PM EST on CNN's Piers Morgan Tonight. For ongoing updates follow @MarkNeJame on twitter.   https://twitter.com/#!/MarkNeJame (https://twitter.com/#!/MarkNeJame)


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: tupelohoney on May 10, 2012, 05:52:43 PM
http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/press-releases/16-george-zimmerman-discovery

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN DISCOVERY
ON 10 MAY 2012.
The first round of discovery documents in the George Zimmerman Case are most likely to be provided to O’Mara Law Group on Monday, May 14. Public release of the of the discovery may be delayed as we may be filing a motion to further redact information, and an opportunity to review the discovery is necessary to determine the applicability of that motion. While we understand the frustration of those who want to view the information as soon as possible, we believe that Mr. Zimmerman’s right to a fair trial, decided by an impartial, unbiased jury is paramount.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 10, 2012, 06:20:48 PM
George Zimmerman's attorney may get evidence Monday, could block public release

 ::snipping2::
Normally, when evidence is exchanged between the state and defense it becomes public record, but O'Mara said that may not happen right away in this case.

 "Public release... may be delayed as we may be filing a motion to further redact information, and an opportunity to review the discovery is necessary to determine the applicability of that motion," the statement says.

 "While we understand the frustration of those who want to view the information as soon as possible, we believe that Mr. Zimmerman's right to a fair trial, decided by an impartial, unbiased jury is paramount," O'Mara said.  ::snipping2:: 


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-10/news/os-george-zimmerman-trayvon-evidence-20120510_1_sanford-shooting-new-evidence-public-release


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 10, 2012, 06:45:09 PM
George Zimmerman Has Received Nearly $500,000 In Online Donations

George Zimmerman just might be the luckiest killer in America. He nearly got off for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, gets to spend the next few months out of prison while he awaits a trial date, and has received more than $200,000 in donations over the last two weeks. According to his lawyer, Mike O'Mara, who created a new website for Zimmerman, nearly $50,000 of the funds raised will cover his living expenses, while the remaining $150,000 was turned over to an independent administrator.  ::snipping2:: ::snipping2::

http://hiphopwired.com/2012/05/10/george-zimmerman-has-received-nearly-500000-in-online-donations/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: iluvmua on May 10, 2012, 07:13:37 PM
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/the_story_unravels_new_questions_about_trayvon_martins_final_hour.html#ixzz1rYNtbsB7



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: tupelohoney on May 10, 2012, 09:52:41 PM
Mark NeJame on Piers Morgan.....has family photo of GZ's great grandfather, who is black, his grandmother, who is half black half white(I think) light skinned anyway. So for MNJ....there is no way this was a racially profiled encounter.  GZ comes from a very mixed background.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 10, 2012, 10:06:54 PM
Mark NeJame on Piers Morgan.....has family photo of GZ's great grandfather, who is black, his grandmother, who is half black half white(I think) light skinned anyway. So for MNJ....there is no way this was a racially profiled encounter.  GZ comes from a very mixed background.

Thanks Tupelo!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: tupelohoney on May 10, 2012, 10:31:26 PM
http://www.chathousenews.com/2012/05/cnn-legal-analyst-mark-nejame-shares.html

Video of MNJ and the family photo


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 11, 2012, 12:39:30 AM
George Zimmerman: Did he shoot Trayvon Martin in self defense?

George Zimmerman admits he shot and killed Trayvon Martin. But was it self defense?

Frank Taaffe, a friend of George Zimmerman, shows ABC7's Scott Thuman where the shooting of Trayvon Martin happened. Photo: ABC7
ABC7's Scott Thuman went inside the Sanford, Florida neighborhood where the shooting happened.
 
He talks with Frank Taaffe, a friend of Zimmerman's, and a former neighborhood watch volunteer himself, who says it was self defense.
 
Taafe shows us what he says eye witnesses told him happened that night in the Twin Lakes neighborhood.
 
In this now infamous neighborhood, there's almost as much foot traffic as vehicle traffic. There's a cut-through frequented by kids, some following the very same footsteps as Trayvon Martin.
 
But in an area hit by thieves, up to 11 times in 14 months, and where property value has plummeted, there was also plenty of suspicion. 


He's parked here, the vehicles in this direction and he watches Trayvon come down here, stares at him out his window and according to George he circles around the car here and he heads back off in this direction here," Taaffe says.
 
"Trayvon's walking in this direction, George is maintaining a visual on him all the time in contact with the dispatcher."
 
The police dispatcher told Zimmerman to quit following Martin.
 
But Taaffe says that when Zimmerman went back to his vehicle, he's the one who became a victim.
 
Based on what he says witnesses told him, Taaffe points to the pavement and says, "Right here, this is it, this is where Trayvon punched George to the ground and started slamming his head right here on this concrete."
 
Taaffe says he believes more witnesses will come forward and set the record straight.  ::snipping2::

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/05/george-zimmerman-did-he-shoot-trayvon-martin-in-self-defense--75855.html



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 11, 2012, 01:41:13 AM
http://www.flcourts18.org/presspublic.html

Updated       |  Case Description

05-09-12     |  Arraignment Minutes  May 8 2012
 
05-09-12     |  Notice of Aug 8 Docket Sounding
 
05-09-12      | Order of Continuance May 8 2012


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: tupelohoney on May 11, 2012, 08:47:37 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/MarkNeJame (https://twitter.com/#!/MarkNeJame)

Quite the conversation going on over on MNJ's twitter account.....


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: tupelohoney on May 11, 2012, 09:21:13 AM
http://www.chathousenews.com/2012/05/george-zimmerman-did-he-shoot-trayvon.html

George Zimmerman: Did he shoot Trayvon Martin in self defense?        Video


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: tupelohoney on May 11, 2012, 10:09:29 AM
http://www.chathousenews.com/2012/05/trayvon-martins-mom-sybrina-fultons.html

Trayvon Martin's mom, Sabrina Fulton's Mother's Day Message  (VIDEO)


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 11, 2012, 02:55:43 PM
Trayvon's mom seeks scrutiny of self-defense laws






MIAMI –  In a video timed to coincide with Mother's Day weekend, the mother of slain teenager Trayvon Martin urged people around the country to push for new scrutiny of "stand your ground" self-defense laws like those in Florida and about two dozen other states.
 
George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who fatally shot the unarmed 17-year-old, was not arrested for weeks after the Feb. 26 confrontation because he invoked the Florida law that does not require a person to retreat in the face of a serious threat. Florida Gov. Rick Scott has convened a task force to decide whether the law needs changes in the aftermath of Martin's shooting.
 
His mother, Sybrina Fulton, said in the video that other states should follow suit, noting that thousands of mothers lose children every year to gun violence.
 
"Nobody can bring our children back. But it would bring us comfort if we can spare other mothers the pain we will feel on Mother's Day and every day for the rest of our lives," Fulton said. "I'm asking you to join Florida by asking the governor of your state to reexamine similar 'stand your ground' laws throughout the nation to keep our children safe."
 
Fulton said this weekend would be very difficult for her.
 
"This will be my first Mother's Day without my son Trayvon," she said. "I know it will be hard. But my faith, family and friends will pull me through."   ::snipping2::

The video is being distributed via email and social media such as Twitter and Facebook by a coalition of civil rights and anti-gun violence organizations, including the NAACP and Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. A spokesman for the effort, Chris Brown, said the initial focus is on states that have laws similar to Florida's, such as Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, South Carolina and Georgia.
 
"Our organization will be educating the public about these laws in all states," Brown said


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/11/trayvon-mom-seeks-scrutiny-self-defense-laws/#ixzz1uaYD6eIK




Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 11, 2012, 03:07:51 PM
Trayvon Martin's parents take justice campaign to London

The parents of slain Florida teenager Trayvon Martin held a public meeting in England Friday to highlight the dangers of “profiling” people by the color of their skin or outward appearance.

Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton took to a stage at the University of London with the mother of a black British teenager, Stephen Lawrence, who was murdered in a racist attack in Eltham, South London, in 1993.
 
Doreen Lawrence campaigned for years to get justice for her son, and two men, Gary Dobson, 36, and David Norris, 35, were only found guilty of Stephen’s murder in January.  ::snipping2:: 

Slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin's parents Sybrina Fulton (left) Tracy Martin (back) and brother, Jahvaris Fulton, (right) with Doreen Lawrence, mother of murdered British teenager Stephen Lawrence.

With tears in her eyes, Fulton told an audience of journalists, activists, students and others, “I should not be looked at differently because of the color of my skin.”

“Although it’s a sad moment for us to be here, it warms my heart to know there are other people who are supporting us,” she said.

“I say to you today … just stand up, stand up and be heard. Don’t let this happen to another one of our children,” Fulton added.

“Until you have lost a child, it’s very difficult for you to understand how we feel, and the hurt and the pain that we have," she said.

Fulton also released a Mother's Day video appeal on YouTube and the Justice for Trayvon Martin Foundation's website Friday for people across the United States to campaign for "stand your ground" laws to be re-examined.

She said she would say a prayer on Mother's Day for other mothers who had lost their children to "senseless gun violence.  ::snipping2:: 

“We can stand together on common ground … the loss of children. It certainly is a unique fraternity to be in, one that we didn’t choose to be in,” he said. “She [Lawrence] is proving you can turn tragedy into something positive… there is light at the end of the tunnel.”

He said profiling was “not just an issue of black and white.”

“It’s a profiling issue in general, profiling of all sorts,” he said.

After the public meeting, a vigil was held just outside Downing Street, home to the British prime minister's official residence.

Trayvon's parents spoke briefly and then stood with the crowd of about 100, who chanted "I am Trayvon Martin" and "No justice, no peace."

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/11/11660453-trayvon-martins-parents-take-justice-campaign-to-london?lite


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 11, 2012, 03:13:50 PM
Trayvon Martin’s mother got about eight months of donated vacation time from county co-workers


Trayvon Martin’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, will be able to take about eight additional months of paid leave from her county job, thanks to the generosity of Miami-Dade County employees.

Fulton, who has worked at the county housing authority for 23 years, collected $40,825 in donated vacation time, county records show.

The county commission passed a resolution in April allowing county employees to donate their vacation time to Fulton or Trayvon’s aunt, Yolanda Knight Evans, a water and sewer customer service representative.

Records show 192 county employees gave Fulton some of their hours, and 70 people donated to Knight Evans.

The donations for Fulton added up to 1,362 hours — meaning she can take 34 paid weeks off. Trayvon’s aunt collected nearly nine weeks.

County records show Fulton, who earns $68,768 a year as an administrative officer, used funeral leave, four weeks of accumulated sick leave and 60 hours of vacation after her son’s Feb. 26 death. She also took two days of unpaid furlough.

The County Commission resolution allowing donated time was approved in April, so she did not get to tap that source of time off until last week’s pay period.

Fulton is expected to appear before the County Commission Tuesday to thank the county for its support. She was in London this week and not available for comment.  ::snipping2::


By far the most generous contributor in terms of number of hours was county employee Eric Cherelus, who gave Trayvon’s aunt and mother each an entire week of his vacation time.

The commission capped the donations at $50,000. Donations came in $30 over that.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/11/2794656/trayvon-martins-mother-got-about.html#storylink=cpy


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 11, 2012, 03:16:46 PM
The disturbing shooting targets featuring Trayvon Martin
A callous Florida entrepeneur sparks outrage by selling gun-range targets evoking the black teen killed by George Zimmerman


The controversy: An unidentified businessman is selling gun range targets designed to make people feel like they're shooting Trayvon Martin, reports Mike DeForest of WKMG Local 6, a Florida television station. The unarmed black teen was shot and killed by George Zimmerman in February, and Zimmerman, who claims he was acting in self-defense, has been charged with second-degree murder. The targets (see the image at right) do not feature a photo of Martin himself, but show a silhouette in a black hoodie — the outfit Martin was famously wearing when he died — with a huge bullseye on it. The figure is holding a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea, two items Martin purchased that night. The businessman tells DeForest that he did it to "make money off the controversy," and claims he sold out of the targets in two days. An ad for the targets, featured on a "popular firearms auction website," says the sellers "support Zimmerman and believe he is innocent and that he shot a thug." The ad has since been taken down.  ::snipping2:: 

http://theweek.com/article/index/227914/the-disturbing-shooting-targets-featuring-trayvon-martin


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: alagary on May 11, 2012, 03:21:56 PM
Up next, Dead Kid Cruise, holding "vigils" in Hawaii,Tahiti, and Pango Pango. As long as the currency is convertable to dollars.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: tupelohoney on May 11, 2012, 04:02:47 PM
Up next, Dead Kid Cruise, holding "vigils" in Hawaii,Tahiti, and Pango Pango. As long as the currency is convertable to dollars.
It sure seems that way.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 11, 2012, 04:53:04 PM
Trayvon Martin's mother in Bloomberg gun control video

- The mother of Florida shooting victim Trayvon Martin appears in a Mother's Day gun control video produced by an advocacy group led by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg.  ::snipping2::

Noting that "this will be my first Mother's Day without my son, Trayvon," Sybrina Fulton asks viewers to urge their state governors "to re-examine similar Stand Your Ground laws throughout the nation to keep our families safe."

"Nobody can bring our children back," Fulton says in the video, released on Thursday to several websites by a Bloomberg-led gun control coalition called Second Chance on Shoot First.

"But it would bring us comfort if we can help spare other mothers the pain that we will feel on Mother's Day and every day for the rest of our lives."  ::snipping2::

Bloomberg often refers to the Stand Your Ground laws as "shoot first" laws.

"I hope Sybrina Fulton's courage will persuade state legislators to take a second look at shoot first laws and take a second chance to get them right," Bloomberg said in a statement.   ::snipping2::

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/11/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE84A17320120511


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: alagary on May 11, 2012, 05:11:44 PM
Trayvon Martin's mother in Bloomberg gun control video

- The mother of Florida shooting victim Trayvon Martin appears in a Mother's Day gun control video produced by an advocacy group led by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg.  ::snipping2::

Noting that "this will be my first Mother's Day without my son, Trayvon," Sybrina Fulton asks viewers to urge their state governors "to re-examine similar Stand Your Ground laws throughout the nation to keep our families safe."

"Nobody can bring our children back," Fulton says in the video, released on Thursday to several websites by a Bloomberg-led gun control coalition called Second Chance on Shoot First.

"But it would bring us comfort if we can help spare other mothers the pain that we will feel on Mother's Day and every day for the rest of our lives."  ::snipping2::

Bloomberg often refers to the Stand Your Ground laws as "shoot first" laws.

"I hope Sybrina Fulton's courage will persuade state legislators to take a second look at shoot first laws and take a second chance to get them right," Bloomberg said in a statement.   ::snipping2::

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/11/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE84A17320120511
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/261032_100002916870100_192839_n.jpg)


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 11, 2012, 05:51:13 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-corey-evidence-release-20120514,0,1089381.story

Zimmerman's lawyer expects to get evidence Monday; special prosecutor says the rest of us won't
May 14, 2012
George Zimmerman's lawyer expects to get his first look at the evidence against his client Monday.

The rest of us will not.

Special Prosecutor Angela Corey's office announced late Friday afternoon that it will not release the information to the public on Monday.

Florida's public records law allows government agencies a reasonable amount of time to provide records, once they're requested. It does not define what a reasonable amount of time is, and Corey spokeswoman Jackelyn Barnard said she was not sure when the evidence might be released to those requesting it.

Her office, she said, is not intentionally trying to hide the evidence from the media and public.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 11, 2012, 07:41:02 PM
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Sybrina Fulton, Reflects On Spirituality And Motherhood

A card, a hug and a key chain -- the gifts were not elaborate and did not cost more than a few dollars.

But the tokens of love that Trayvon Martin gave Sybrina Fulton a year ago are some of the last mementos she has of her son, the 17-year-old Florida boy whose February shooting by a neighborhood watch captain has launched America into a heated conversation about race, violence and the criminal justice system.

A Miami-Dade County government worker, Fulton has become an constant presence on television screens and at rallies in locales from New York to Los Angeles, where she goes from tears and mourning to stoic resilience while asking for "justice for Trayvon." The phrase has inspired clothing, websites and the foundation Justice for Trayvon that Fulton directs.

But as the devout Southern Baptist and new activist approaches Mother's Day, she can't keep her mind off the little things her boy would do on her special day.

Every year, Martin and his older brother would give her a card and a hug. Sometimes they would bring flowers. Last year Martin surprised her with a key chain.

And each year Fulton and her two boys -- her surviving son Jahvaris is 21 -- would attend services at Antioch Missionary Baptist, a large, popular church close to their home in suburban Miami. The service would last from 90 minutes to two hours. At one point, the pastor would ask the mothers to stand in recognition. Fulton would proudly oblige.

This year, Fulton, typically a Sunday regular at the church, which counts thousands among its members and offers three services each weekend, isn't sure if she'll make it to the pews. Attending rallies around the country (many at churches), interviews and town halls, Fulton has found that her time away from the cameras for prayer with her spiritual family has been slim.

Speaking from Birmingham, Ala., where she had walked in a Hoodie Freedom Walk and addressed a town hall just over a week ago, Fulton said it had been two weeks since she last attended Antioch.

"I know it will be hard," Fulton said about Mother's Day. "But my faith and family will pull me through."   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/11/trayvon-martin-mother-sybrina-fulton-_n_1509090.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 11, 2012, 07:46:27 PM
http://www.secondchanceonshootfirst.org/

I don’t want another mother to go through what Sybrina, Trayvon Martin’s mother, has gone through. Make us safer by reforming Shoot First laws across the country. One more child lost to reckless gun policies is one too many.

Campaign site....


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 11, 2012, 11:31:36 PM
Zimmerman Prosecutor Again Accused of ‘Over-Charging’ Case

The prosecutor in charge of the Trayvon Martin murder case has won a case in which a woman received a 20-year jail sentence for trying to protect herself against her allegedly abusive husband.

Marissa Alexander fired a bullet into a wall as she tried to flee her husband, who was threatening to strangle her in August 2010.

Immediately, Democratic U.S. Rep Corinne Brown accused prosecutor Angela Corey of “over-charging” Alexander with aggravated assault. “There is no justification for 20 years,” Brown told Corey during a confrontation in the hallway of the Jacksonville, Fla. Courthouse, according to CNN.  ::snipping2:: 

Alexander told the court she had tried to get away from her husband, Rico Gray, and got to her car in the garage only to realize she did not have her car keys, CNN reported. She picked up the handgun and went back into the house and when Gray threatened to kill her, she fired a warning shot into the wall.

Alexander attempted to invoke Florida’s Stand Your Ground law in her defense, but a previous judge in the case said that was not consistent with her decision to re-enter her house, according to CNN. The jury took just 12 minutes to find her guilty.

Judge James Daniel told Alexander on Friday that he had no option but to give her a 20-year jail sentence, CNN reported. “Under the state's 10-20-life law, a conviction for aggravated assault where a firearm has been discharged carries a minimum and maximum sentence of 20 years without regarding to any extenuating or mitigating circumstances that may be present, such as those in this case," Daniel said.

Corey claimed she had offered Alexander a three-year sentence in return for a guilty plea but said the 31-year-old woman had turned down the plea bargain.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Trayvon-Corey-over-charge-Alexander/2012/05/11/id/438820


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 12, 2012, 09:14:12 PM
Update #19 – Trayvon Martin Shooting – Exploitation Tour Arrives In London

The Scheme Team continues the Trayvon Trail Of Tears exploitation tour arriving in London this morning, or should that be, mourning.

The “Team”, yes, all of them, including attorney Benjamin Crump Esq. arrived with their shiny new lavender luggage at the London airport in preparation for a week of fundraising and social benefit / bank account stimulation.
 
Apparently Jhavaris Fulton, Trayvon’s older half-brother, does not attend school any longer.   Jhavaris was spotted at church memorials fundraisers in Los Angeles a few weeks ago with mom Sybrina, and non-sperm donor ex-dad, Tracy.   Jhavaris (aka. fun-sized Skittles) also attended the southern leg of the tour recently in Georgia, Alabama, North and South Carolina, along with North Florida.

For the European leg Jhavaris can be seen sporting new designer kicks in an effort to keep up with the mournful designer clothier, and stylish role model, Tracy Martin.
 
The Scheme Team (Crump, Martin, Fulton et al) met Doreen Lawrence, the mother of  slain British teen Stephen Lawrence.    Doreen had reportedly written to Sybrina and passed along her condolences and understanding as a mother whose son Stephen was murdered by a racist gang in Eltham, England 19 years ago.

A youth and cultural center was set up by supporters, advocates, and those who felt impacted by the murder of Stephen Lawrence; and his mom, Doreen, took  the Scheme Team on tour of the facility.
 
There is a certain awkwardness evident in the video when Doreen asks Sybrina and Tracy what was Trayvon “into”, as in what did he enjoy?   Almost as if Sybrina and Tracy had not thought of that question before, and both were trying to figure out what that tattooed kid who stayed at their houses, well, sometimes, was all about.   ::snipping2:: 

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/09/trayvon-martin-shooting-exploitation-tour-arrives-in-london/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 12, 2012, 09:19:52 PM
CNN photo: George Zimmerman’s great-grandfather was black

ORLANDO, Fla. - A photo aired by CNN shows a black-skinned man that Orlando attorney Mark NeJame says was George Zimmerman’s great-grandfather.
 
It appears to support what Zimmerman’s family has been saying for months: that Zimmerman has black-skinned relatives and was raised in a mixed race family.
 
His views on race are important because Zimmerman, 28, of Sanford, is awaiting trial in Sanford on a second-degree murder charge. He shot and killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old, Feb. 26 as the teen walked through a gated community.

Trayvon’s father, family lawyers and critics say Zimmerman is guilty of racial profiling and murder.
 
But Zimmerman told police he acted in self-defense, pulling the trigger of his 9mm handgun only after Trayvon confronted him, knocked him to the ground and began hammering his head onto a sidewalk.   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/20120512cnn_photo_george_zimmermans_great-grandfather_was_black/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 12, 2012, 09:27:55 PM
Families of Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman receive outpouring of donations

The mother of slain Florida teenager Trayvon Martin will be able to take about eight months of paid leave from her county job, thanks to the generosity of county employees.

 Sybrina Fulton, who has worked at the Miami-Dade County housing authority for 23 years, collected $40,825 worth of donated vacation time, county records show. The paid time off is in addition to the nearly $100,000 the family raised on wepay.com and at rallies, which will be used to launch a criminal justice advocacy foundation in Trayvon's name.

 The donated days are the latest in a mounting fortune in contributions that have amassed on both sides of the controversial case. With websites dedicated to the grieving parents of Trayvon Martin as well as for the man who killed him, and now even his attorney, funds gathered in the wake of the Feb. 26 tragedy promise to reach half a million dollars. Donors continue to reach into their pockets, even as each side criticizes the other's purpose and intent in seeking donations.

"They are using the money to continue the legacy of their son," said Michael Hall, a graphic designer and marketing specialist who helped launch the Justice for Trayvon Martin Foundation. The parents created the non-profit in March in response to their son's killing. "They didn't want a situation where people could say they were profiting off the loss of their son."

 Hall said Trayvon's parents will become paid employees of the foundation, compensated for their time conducting speaking engagements and other advocacy work. He stressed that the foundation would keep Fulton and her ex-husband, Tracy Martin, at the levels of income they already made - not higher.   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/05/12/4485602/families-of-trayvon-martin-george.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 12, 2012, 09:55:49 PM
When did it become 'vogue' to profit from the death of your child?  Did it start to become the thing to do with the Anthony's??  They profited from Caylee's death, neither of them work anymore and now it seems like Trayvon's parents are profiting and don't feel like working anymore either...makes me sick really..
Edit to remove typo per Cookie's request.  MB


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 12, 2012, 09:57:27 PM
When did it become 'vogue' to profit from the death of your child?   Did it start to become the thing to do with the Anthony's??  They profited from Caylee's death, neither of them work anymore and now it seems like Trayvon's parents are profiting and don't feel like working anymore either...makes me sick really..
Edit to fix typo per Cookie's request.  MB


Tht "piggy" was a mistake...hit by mistake.
Muffers...if you are about, could u delete that for me...thanks a bunch..
Done.  MB


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 12, 2012, 10:02:04 PM
When did it become 'vogue' to profit from the death of your child?   Did it start to become the thing to do with the Anthony's??  They profited from Caylee's death, neither of them work anymore and now it seems like Trayvon's parents are profiting and don't feel like working anymore either...makes me sick really..
Edit to fix typo per Cookie's request.  MB

Not just Trayvon's parents, cooks. His brother is on the payroll as well... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 12, 2012, 10:17:29 PM
When did it become 'vogue' to profit from the death of your child?  Did it start to become the thing to do with the Anthony's??  They profited from Caylee's death, neither of them work anymore and now it seems like Trayvon's parents are profiting and don't feel like working anymore either...makes me sick really..
Edit to fix typo per Cookie's request.  MB

Not just Trayvon's parents, cooks. His brother is on the payroll as well... ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: iluvmua on May 13, 2012, 03:22:49 PM
I truly hope this comes to bite them in the ass. I hope this A. either gets dismissed or B. A jury finds him not guilty/ self defense.

they are sick just like george and cindy are.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: alagary on May 13, 2012, 05:05:15 PM
There is a small group that will raise a stink if it's B. On the other hand it will be a Florida jury, just as likely to announce the verdict that they like cheese while the kites fly. Glue sniffers ,all of them.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 13, 2012, 08:45:19 PM
Thanks Muffers for fixing the typo... ::MonkeyKiss:: <<<<that is no typo lol....


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 14, 2012, 06:00:18 PM
FBI seeks to charge George Zimmerman with hate crime

SANFORD, Fla. —


WFTV has learned charges against George Zimmerman could be getting more serious.

State prosecutors said Zimmerman, a neighborhood watchman, profiled and stalked 17-year-old Trayvon Martin before killing him, so the FBI is now looking into charging him with a hate crime.

Zimmerman admitted to killing Martin in February during a confrontation. However, he claims the shooting was in self-defense. He's facing a second-degree murder charge, which carries a maximum possible sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole.

In the meantime, FBI investigators are actively questioning witnesses in the retreat at the Twin Lakes neighborhood, seeking evidence for a possible federal hate crime charge.

Martin was unarmed when he was shot to death, police said, and some accuse Zimmerman of targeting the teenager solely because of the color of his skin.

WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said federal prosecutors would have to prove the hate crime to charge Zimmerman, though.

“What the government would have to prove is that Mr. Zimmerman acted out of hatred toward African-Americans. That's why he came into contact with him. That's why he shot and killed him.”

Sheaffer said a federal hate crime murder charge could bring more serious consequences than the second-degree murder charge Zimmerman faces now.

“Mr. Zimmerman could be punished by up to life in prison or even the death penalty,” said Sheaffer   ::snipping2::

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/fbi-seeks-charge-george-zimmerman-hate-crime/nN5pR/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: alagary on May 14, 2012, 06:33:36 PM
Need to get trayvons daddy out of the White House. charges are being filed with votes in mind


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 14, 2012, 07:24:38 PM
George Zimmerman prosecutors file list of witnesses, evidence in Trayvon Martin shooting

SANFORD – As many eagerly awaited the release of never-before-seen evidence in the case against George Zimmerman, members of Special Prosecutor Angela Corey's office provided a preview on Monday in the form of an eight-page document.

The paperwork, filed with the Seminole County clerk as closing time approached, included a list of witnesses the state plans to call and identified several pieces of the evidence prosecutors expect to use to support a second-degree murder charge in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

Late Monday, Zimmerman attorney Mark O'Mara confirmed he had received the evidence at his office. It consists of 67 CDs and "numerous" paper documents.

Most names were redacted from witness and evidence document obtained by the Orlando Sentinel, but six civilian witnesses were named: Trayvon's parents, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin; his brother, Jahvarius Fulton; and Zimmerman's neighbor, Frank Taaffe, friend Joe Oliver and father, Robert Zimmerman.

The document listed 18 Sanford police officers as primary witnesses, including lead Investigator Chris Serino. Corey's office also turned over five reports prepared by him, as well as written reports prepared by four other Sanford officers.

The list includes new video evidence from the night of the shooting — both from the 7-Eleven store where Trayvon reportedly purchased Skittles and Arizona iced tea and from a clubhouse in Retreat at Twin Lakes, the townhouse complex where the teen was killed.

Other video, showing Zimmerman being taken into the Sanford Police Department after the shooting, has already been made public. Crime scene photos of both Zimmerman and the teen are also listed in the documents filed Monday, as is Trayvon's autopsy report.

Also included in the evidence are phone records — Zimmerman's from Feb. 21 to Feb. 26 and from March 7 to March 22, Trayvon's from Jan. 1 through March 1, and those of an unnamed witness labeled "W8" from Feb. 26 through April 2.   ::snipping2::

W8 gave two statements — one to prosecutors and one to Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump, which suggests W8 may be the girl described by Crump as Trayvon's girlfriend.

Other primary witnesses include four FDLE investigators, three investigators from the office of state attorney Norm Wolfinger and two from Corey's office, including Dale Gilbreath, who hand-delivered the list to Seminole County clerks about 20 minutes before their doors closed for the day Monday.

Five fire-rescue personnel are listed as witnesses. So are a fingerprints expert with Sanford police, and FDLE experts in the fields of firearms, DNA, trace evidence and fingerprints.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-14/news/os-george-zimmernman-omara-gets-discovery-20120514_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-evidence-rachel-fugate


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: tupelohoney on May 14, 2012, 07:27:21 PM
http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/press-releases/18-defense-receives-discovery-for-george-zimmerman-case

DEFENSE RECEIVES DISCOVERY FOR GEORGE ZIMMERMAN CASE
ON 14 MAY 2012.

The O’Mara Law Group received discovery regarding the George Zimmerman case just after 5:00 PM on Monday, May 14. The discovery package included 67 compact discs and numerous hardcopy documents, including the State’s Discovery Exhibit and Demand for Reciprocal Discovery. The discovery also includes witness statements, 911 calls, non-emergency calls, photos, video, medical records, and more. Mr. O’Mara and staff will now begin the process of examining the information that has been provided. Please remember and understand that it is inappropriate for us to comment on particular pieces of evidence.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 14, 2012, 07:37:07 PM
Miami-Dade Fire Captain Brian Beckmann Demoted Over Facebook Post Blaming Trayvon Martin Situations On 'S**tbag' Parents

.The Miami-Dade Fire Rescue official who wrote on Facebook that "failed, shitbag, ignorant parents" are to blame in cases like the shooting death of unarmed Miami Gardens teen Trayvon Martin has been demoted.

Captain Brian Beckmann, who has been with Fire Rescue since 1997, was demoted two rungs to the lowest rank of firefighter during a Monday morning administrative hearing and will be required to undergo a psychological evaluation and undergo diversity training, as first reported by CBS Miami.

Though the firefighters union said it would appeal the ruling, WSVN reports Beckmann submitted an apology to Fire Chief William Bryson, stating in part:

"I promise that I will try harder than ever to be a decent and professional public servant to the citizens of Miami-Dade County... My family has suffered tremendously and this has been punishment beyond anything I ever imagined."

A screencap of Beckmann's comments was published on TheGrio.com when its source expressed concern at "the thoughts of someone who responds to the homes of the very people" disparaged on his Facebook page, which cites Metro-Dade Firefighters Local 1403.

The post was reportedly published the same night special prosecutor Angela Corey announced second degree murder charges against George Zimmerman, the self-appointed neighborhood watch captain who shot 17-year-old Martin, who is black, after he spotted him walking through his father's gated community in Sanford wearing a hoodie. Wrote Beckmann:

"Listening to Prosecutor Corey blow herself and her staff for five minutes before pre-passing judgment on George Zimmerman. The state seeks reelection again, truth aside. I and my coworkers could rewrite the book on whether our urban youths are victims of racist profiling or products of their failed, shitbag, ignorant, pathetic, welfare dependent excuses for parents, but like Mrs. Corey, we speak only the truth. They're just misunderstood little church going angels and the ghetto hoodie look doesn't have anything to do with why people wonder if they're about to get jacked by a thug."

Though Beckmann defended his right to "freely express an opinion...not embellish or alter the facts," Fire Rescue shortly launched an investigation while outraged citizens took to both the streets in protest and the department's Facebook page to call for his firing.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/14/miami-dade-fire-brian-beckmann-trayvon-martin-shitbag-parents_n_1516038.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 14, 2012, 07:53:05 PM
Trayvon Martin mural defaced in Elmwood Park [NJ]

ELMWOOD PARK — A mural created as a tribute to slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin was defaced over the weekend, according to one of its creators.

A photograph provided by Carmelo "Snow" Sigona shows a portion of the mural depicting a faceless individual in a hoodie was apparently painted over using a roller. The new paint appears to be of a shade similar to the original color.

The mural honoring Martin stretches across the side of Messina Deli on East 54th Street and became a hot-button issue after several area residents complained, some citing gang symbolism. A borough building inspector told the artists to paint over the mural, saying it violated a local ordinance. The owner of the building, John Quinn, supported the mural being displayed on his wall.  ::snipping2::

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/05/controversial_trayvon_martin_m.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: tupelohoney on May 14, 2012, 07:58:39 PM
O/T But similar situation


'Stand Your Ground' defense denied for Trevor Dooley in 2010 death of David James in Valrico

Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_hillsborough/stand-your-ground-defense-denied-for-trevor-dooley-in-2010-death-of-david-james-in-valrico#ixzz1utK1Phkb


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 14, 2012, 09:04:00 PM
Thanks for all the articles.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 14, 2012, 09:19:36 PM
Zimmerman’s father: Our lives will never be the same
George Zimmerman’s father says he is living on the run with his wife and mother-in-law, fearful of death threats made after his son shot Trayvon Martin.

Robert Zimmerman is a retired magistrate living like a fugitive.
He stays in hotels under assumed names. He pays cash so no one will look at his surname and make the connection: This is the father of one of the nation’s most controversial murder defendants.

“It’s been unimaginable,” he said Monday. “Our lives will never be the same.”

Zimmerman, 64, is the father of George Zimmerman, the Central Florida neighborhood watch volunteer who faces a second-degree murder charge for the Feb. 26 killing of Miami Gardens teen Trayvon Martin.

The high school student’s death exploded into a politically volatile case, the kind that drives thousands to the streets in protest — the kind that brings hate mail. Rattled by death threats and shaken by personal information posted on the web, Zimmerman, his wife and his mother-in-law with Alzheimer’s are now on the run, waiting for the trial they are convinced will exonerate their son.

“All of a sudden, it’s pack up what you can and leave,” he said. “Staying in this hotel room or that hotel room.”

His life upside down and expenses soaring, the retired magistrate wants the public to be clear that he has not received a cent of donations from anyone, despite the $204,000 his son has amassed through a website to help pay for his defense. In an interview with the Miami Herald, Zimmerman criticized the media, prosecutors and attorneys who he says have distorted information and spread lies about a man who mentored black kids and was deeply committed to his community. The Virginia native said he’s sure of one thing: his son’s innocence.

He believes medical records and photos will prove his son was injured by Trayvon when the two met in a gated community’s dark pathway. He said voice tests will show George Zimmerman didn’t lie and an eyewitness will back up his account. The girl who claims to have been on the phone talking to the teenager when the incident occurred will be proved a liar, Zimmerman insists.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/14/v-fullstory/2799569/zimmermans-father-our-lives-will.html#storylink=cpy


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 14, 2012, 09:45:38 PM
Do folks even know who these people are? Has a photo ever been posted of them?
George and Cindy were very hated but they stayed in their own home..is it really necessary for GZ's parents to be on the run with an elder person with Alzheimer's?  Couldn't they get police protection if someone came to their home?
Bottom line, they have their son to thank for their inconvenience if u ask me. GZ should have let LE do their job and no one would be in the position that they are in...
These people are inconvenienced which is awful, but a 17 yr old kid is dead..


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 14, 2012, 09:48:20 PM
O'Mara says he got a 'credible threat' as discovery delivered

   ::snipping2:: O'Mara also told Local 6 that as he received the discovery, two police officers were at his law firm in response to a credible threat against him. The threat was checked out and police have since left O'Mara's office. No other details on the threat have been released.   ::snipping2::

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Preview-of-Trayvon-Martin-evidence-released/-/1637132/13377548/-/s421hpz/-/index.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 15, 2012, 08:59:16 AM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/Casey-Anthony-prosecutor-visits-Clay-County/-/475880/13385302/-/12ne2b/-/index.html
Casey Anthony prosecutor visits Clay County
Jeff Ashton addresses 'stand your ground' law

May 14, 2012

 ::snipping2::
"I do not believe the stand your ground law is a good law," Ashton said. "I think that the changes made in 2005 actually weren't necessary. We have a very, very robust self-defense law in Florida, and the stand your ground proficients really didn't enhance it. It sort of encouraged people to use violence to resolve disputes rather than walking away." ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 15, 2012, 09:43:50 AM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/Casey-Anthony-prosecutor-visits-Clay-County/-/475880/13385302/-/12ne2b/-/index.html
Casey Anthony prosecutor visits Clay County
Jeff Ashton addresses 'stand your ground' law

May 14, 2012

 ::snipping2::
"I do not believe the stand your ground law is a good law," Ashton said. "I think that the changes made in 2005 actually weren't necessary. We have a very, very robust self-defense law in Florida, and the stand your ground proficients really didn't enhance it. It sort of encouraged people to use violence to resolve disputes rather than walking away." ::snipping2::

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 15, 2012, 10:36:24 AM
http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/main
Florida stand your ground law cases

The controversial stand your ground law that police initially cited in their decision not to charge the man who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin has been invoked nearly 200 times statewide since 2005. A Tampa Bay Times survey, compiled from Florida newspapers and public records, shows that police and prosecutors continue to apply the self defense law unevenly.
 ::snipping2::

Similar cases

Here's the Trayvon Martin case and other similar cases where the stand your ground law was invoked. Click on the "What happened" description to get more details about a case.
(Table with similar cases at link)


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 15, 2012, 10:49:49 AM
http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/main
Florida stand your ground law cases

The controversial stand your ground law that police initially cited in their decision not to charge the man who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin has been invoked nearly 200 times statewide since 2005. A Tampa Bay Times survey, compiled from Florida newspapers and public records, shows that police and prosecutors continue to apply the self defense law unevenly.
 ::snipping2::

Similar cases

Here's the Trayvon Martin case and other similar cases where the stand your ground law was invoked. Click on the "What happened" description to get more details about a case.
(Table with similar cases at link)

Interesting..seems most were acquitted or not charged?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: sharon on May 15, 2012, 10:53:19 AM
Not sure if this was ever posted... Jeb Bush comments on SYG -- he was the governor that signed SYG into Florida law.

The article is from end of March -- so it is possible that Jeb has had, or will have, additional thoughts as factual information gets released....I've not been able to find an update from Jeb.

Personally, I was surprised to see Jeb comment publicly on this. He has kept an uber low profile since leaving office.



http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/arlington/headlines/20120323-in-arlington-jeb-bush-says-stand-your-ground-invalid-in-trayvon-martin-case.ece

In Arlington, Jeb Bush says ‘stand your ground’ invalid in Trayvon Martin case

ARLINGTON — Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Friday that the “stand your ground” self-defense law he signed while in office should not apply to the case of a teenager who was killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer in his home state.

 ::snipping2::

Bush said Friday that he wondered why the investigation has taken so long to reach a conclusion. He said it took several weeks of outrage and media attention for local officials to step up their efforts.

“It doesn’t make sense to me,” he said. Bush added that he didn’t want a rush to judgment, but that officials should be mindful that “there are a lot of people who are very concerned about this.”

“You’ve got to let the judicial process work,” he said. “Hopefully it’s done at a pace that is respectful for people hurting.”

Bush also said that he still liked the law. “Applied properly, I support the law,” he said.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: KittyMom on May 15, 2012, 11:25:55 AM
Do folks even know who these people are? Has a photo ever been posted of them?
George and Cindy were very hated but they stayed in their own home..is it really necessary for GZ's parents to be on the run with an elder person with Alzheimer's?  Couldn't they get police protection if someone came to their home?
Bottom line, they have their son to thank for their inconvenience if u ask me. GZ should have let LE do their job and no one would be in the position that they are in...
These people are inconvenienced which is awful, but a 17 yr old kid is dead..

But we're supposed to be a country that believes in justice and freedom.  So, as crowds are calling for the arrest of a man, firing of a firefighter, bounty on a man, these people, who were not involved beyond a familial link, find themselves without their freedom.  Seems to me those calling for justice want justice for themselves and none for anyone else.

BTW, having an elder with Alzheimers in a constantly changing environment is a recipe for chaos.  I can't imagine what that poor dear is going through.

Until we see all the evidence presented, we have no way of knowing exactly what happened that night.  The rallies, the drama, the inserting of voices in the situation does nothing but hinder the judicial process.  IMO


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 15, 2012, 04:13:40 PM
Do folks even know who these people are? Has a photo ever been posted of them?
George and Cindy were very hated but they stayed in their own home..is it really necessary for GZ's parents to be on the run with an elder person with Alzheimer's?  Couldn't they get police protection if someone came to their home?
Bottom line, they have their son to thank for their inconvenience if u ask me. GZ should have let LE do their job and no one would be in the position that they are in...
These people are inconvenienced which is awful, but a 17 yr old kid is dead..

But we're supposed to be a country that believes in justice and freedom.  So, as crowds are calling for the arrest of a man, firing of a firefighter, bounty on a man, these people, who were not involved beyond a familial link, find themselves without their freedom.  Seems to me those calling for justice want justice for themselves and none for anyone else.

BTW, having an elder with Alzheimers in a constantly changing environment is a recipe for chaos.  I can't imagine what that poor dear is going through.

Until we see all the evidence presented, we have no way of knowing exactly what happened that night.  The rallies, the drama, the inserting of voices in the situation does nothing but hinder the judicial process.  IMO

Totally agree...


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 15, 2012, 06:18:38 PM
Zimmerman being tracked by sensitive GPS device
Zimmerman being tracked by sensitive GPS device while free on bond in Trayvon Martin case

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- Wherever George Zimmerman went after he was released on bond from a Florida jail, a sensitive GPS device will pinpoint his location for authorities and alert them if he drifts even a few feet away from where he is allowed.

Zimmerman, who is charged with second-degree murder in the killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, went into hiding Monday as he awaits trial. He must pay an $8-a-day fee to use the device, which is generally used to track people charged in domestic violence cases.

Local bail bondsmen whose clients have worn the same device used to pinpoint Zimmerman said it is highly sensitive and can send messages to authorities in real-time. Zimmerman had to put up the customary 10 percent of his $150,000 bond to leave jail.

Seminole County Sheriff's officials are offering few details on how Zimmerman will be specifically monitored, other than to say the device he is wearing has the same 24/7 capabilities it uses to track accused domestic violence offenders. Zimmerman may be residing outside of Florida for safety reasons.

The monitoring program has been in use since 2003 in Seminole and provides "real-time monitoring of an offender's movements and is capable of monitoring anywhere in the U.S.," according to a sheriff's office news release. In 2009, the agency said using the devices saved $950,000 by keeping people out of jail.   ::snipping2:: 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/zimmerman-being-tracked-sensitive-gps-120847892.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 15, 2012, 06:24:50 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532

ABC News Exclusive: Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Trayvon Martin Shooting
May 15, 2012

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.
 ::snipping2::
The record shows that Zimmerman also suffered bruising in the upper lip and cheek and lower back pain. The two lacerations on the back of his head, one of them nearly an inch long, the other about a quarter-inch long, were first revealed in photos obtained exclusively by ABC News last month.
 
But the report also shows Zimmerman declined hospitalization the night of the shooting, and then declined the advice of his doctor to make a follow-up appointment with an ear nose and throat doctor.
 
In addition to his physical injuries, Zimmerman complained of stress and "occasional nausea when thinking about the violence." But he was not diagnosed with a concussion. The doctor noted that it was "imperative" that Zimmerman "be seen with [sic] his psychologist for evaluation."
 
According to the report, prior to the shooting Zimmerman had been prescribed Adderall and Temazepam, medications that can cause side effects such as agitation and mood swings, but in fewer than 10 percent of patients.
 ::snipping2::

 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 15, 2012, 06:56:07 PM
Autopsy results show Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles

SANFORD, Fla. —


WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.

The information could support George Zimmerman's claim that Martin beat him up before Zimmerman shot and killed him.

The autopsy results come as Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O’Mara continues to go over other evidence in the case.

O’Mara wouldn't comment on the autopsy evidence, but WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said it's better for the defense than it is for the prosecution.

WFTV has learned that the medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: The fatal gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles.

When you compare Trayvon’s non-fatal injury with Zimmerman's bloody head wounds, the autopsy evidence is better for the defense, Sheaffer said.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/autopsy-results-show-trayvon-martin-had-injuries-h/nN6gs/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on May 15, 2012, 08:34:02 PM
Autopsy results show Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles

SANFORD, Fla. —


WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.

The information could support George Zimmerman's claim that Martin beat him up before Zimmerman shot and killed him.

The autopsy results come as Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O’Mara continues to go over other evidence in the case.

O’Mara wouldn't comment on the autopsy evidence, but WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said it's better for the defense than it is for the prosecution.

WFTV has learned that the medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: The fatal gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles.

When you compare Trayvon’s non-fatal injury with Zimmerman's bloody head wounds, the autopsy evidence is better for the defense, Sheaffer said.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/autopsy-results-show-trayvon-martin-had-injuries-h/nN6gs/

But I thought the incredibly ethical only in this case for justice (cough cough) stated that Trayvon had NO injuries.......Oopsie. I agree this bolsters Zimmerman's case and I read the comments in this article, all it takes is ONE person on the jury that feels like I do, we have the right to defend ourselves, granted Zimmerman should have waited but again where I live we call 911 if we ever see something suspicous and then keep following in a non threatening way the person we consider suspicous, really after the numerous break ins and the woman who had a child, baby IIRC in her home when some thug broke in would more than likely appreciated it if that particular one was followed until LE arrived.

Also I know some are upset because the age of Trayvon, but how many absolutely horrific crimes have been committed by teens. I just read of a 14 yr old that raped a hotel worker, sometimes age has no bearing on whether a thug is a thug. I am NOT stating Trayvon was, but how would you feel if you saw someone that seemed suspicous and did nothing or lost them while waiting for LE to arrive and they raped and/or killed someone??? Also, I agree with whomever stated they felt more threatened or suspicous after seeing someone walk around their neighborhood they knew didn't live there wearing a hoodie....it is what it is. No matter what this is a tragedy for both families and I loathe families who literally make a damn good living off their dead child, really - there the uptick in these families sickens me, grief and anger are totally understandable but making $$$$$$ off their dead child and equally as bad to me is the inciting a race issue, I do fear what will happen if Z isn't found guilty after what we have witnessed with the Rodney King verdict and also the 8 deaths Sharpton is IMO responsible for inciting. I so wish Trayvon's family would get out of the spotlight and away from the race baiting fools they have linked arms with.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on May 15, 2012, 08:42:52 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on May 15, 2012, 08:47:52 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::
http://www.wtsp.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1639462137001

Call me crazy, but........do I see hoodies on these thugs who beat the shit out of a soldier who fights for their rights???? Wonder where Sharpton, Jackson , Crump and Holder are......<crickets>, and certainly this can't be a hate crime, nah.....

 ::snipping2::

The manager of the Green Oaks Apartments, where the young man lives, was sickened by what she saw. "I was horrified," said Pat Chumley. "I couldn't believe how bad it looked."
 
The 24-year-old is stationed at MacDill Air Force Base and arrived from Georgia, sources say, with only the belongings in his car.
 
Chumley and her friends are working to get some furniture for the soldier since he doesn't even have a bed, they say.
 
If you watch the surveillance video closely, just seconds before the attack, three men are seen walking ahead of the soldier. Then, one of them walks back and hits the young man in the face. As the soldier falls to the  ground, more men join in on the brutal beating. In fact, another person comes running down the street and joins in.
 
Tampa Police Lt. Mary O'Connor told 10 News, "It's shocking.  We need to find out who these individuals are."
 
The young soldier was beaten, kicked, punched, and left in the street. His wallet and phone were stolen. He eventually made his way to a nearby home on Iowa Street, begging a woman to call 911. The woman who placed the emergency call declined to comment.
 
Chumley says that she and her friends have tried to be somewhat of a mother to the young man. She said, "He'll ask advice from us, you know, we love to give advice. You know how mothers are."
 
They are hoping to help him when he finally gets home for good. "I'm gonna give him a big hug. You know, he's a young kid."
 ::snipping2::


A group of three young men is seen walking ahead of the soldier. Police say one of the men in the group doubled back and asked to soldier to borrow a dollar. When the soldier reached for his wallet, the first punch flew.

 ::snipping2::
This is another man I will send $$ to, FTLOG he had nothing and yet still reached in his pocket after they doubled back on him. ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 15, 2012, 09:45:55 PM
http://www.freep.com/article/20120515/NEWS07/205150440/Evidence-filed-in-Trayvon-Martin-case
Evidence filed in Trayvon Martin case
May 15, 2012

SANFORD, Fla. -- As many eagerly awaited the release of never-before-seen evidence in the case against George Zimmerman, members of Special Prosecutor Angela Corey's office provided a preview Monday in the form of an eight-page document.

The paperwork, filed with the Seminole County clerk as closing time approached, included a list of witnesses the state plans to call and identified several pieces of the evidence prosecutors expect to use to support a second-degree murder charge in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

Late Monday, Zimmerman attorney Mark O'Mara confirmed he received the evidence at his office. It consists of dozens of CDs and numerous paper documents.

"It's 67 CDs. That's about all I know," O'Mara said.

Most names were redacted from witness and evidence documents obtained by the Orlando Sentinel, but six civilian witnesses were named: Martin's parents, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin; his brother, Jahvarius Fulton, and Zimmerman's neighbor, Frank Taaffe, friend Joe Oliver and father, Robert Zimmerman.

The document listed 18 Sanford police officers as primary witnesses, including lead Investigator Chris Serino. Corey's office also turned over five reports prepared by him, as well as written reports prepared by four other Sanford officers.
The list includes new video evidence from the night of the shooting -- both from the 7-Eleven store where Martin reportedly purchased Skittles and Arizona iced tea and from a clubhouse in Retreat at Twin Lakes, the townhouse complex where the teen was killed.

Other video, showing Zimmerman being taken into the Sanford Police Department after the shooting, already has been made public. Crime scene photos of both Zimmerman and the teen also are listed in the documents filed Monday, as is Martin's autopsy report.

Also included in the evidence are phone records -- Zimmerman's from Feb. 20-Feb. 26 and from March 7-March 22, Martin's from Jan. 1-March 1, and those of an unnamed witness labeled "W8" from Feb. 26-April 2.

The list includes 40 audio-recorded statements. One of the 911 callers, identified as "W6," gave four statements to authorities about the shooting, two to Sanford police, one to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and one to the prosecution's lead trial attorney, Bernie de la Rionda.

W8 gave two statements -- one to prosecutors and one to Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump, which suggests W8 may be the girl described by Crump as Martin's girlfriend.

Other primary witnesses include four FDLE investigators, three investigators from the office of state attorney Norm Wolfinger and two from Corey's office, including Dale Gilbreath, who hand-delivered the list to Seminole County clerks about 20 minutes before their doors closed for the day Monday.

Five fire-rescue personnel are listed as witnesses. So are a fingerprints expert with Sanford police, and FDLE experts in the fields of firearms, DNA, trace evidence and fingerprints.

Also listed as witnesses are a New Jersey forensics expert, two employees with the Volusia County medical examiner's office and a pair of FBI audio experts. The list also includes Tom Owen and Ed Primeau, two audio analysts who told the Sentinel they believe the screams heard in one 911 call were those of Martin, not Zimmerman.

On Monday, Corey's office filed a motion under seal, asking that certain information in the case be protected from public disclosure. It's not clear whether she wants more than witness names kept secret.

O'Mara said he was not sure whether he would file a similar motion.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 15, 2012, 09:57:22 PM
IslandMonkey...good post ^^^^^^^


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on May 16, 2012, 12:53:56 AM
IslandMonkey...good post ^^^^^^^

Thanks Cookie as was yours, I went back and found out how we felt more uncomfortable seeing those wearing hoodies that evening...that takes alot of courage to state and I admire you for it....this kid was left for dead and I found a far better video, sadly becuase it's clearer it is even more outrageous...the title is a bit misleading, one was hispanic:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Mc2IZvyOo




Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on May 16, 2012, 01:18:22 AM
One more but not about the soldier-sadly a google search pulled up literally tons .......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPAIZj0uZaI&feature=related


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: theboyzmom on May 16, 2012, 07:01:01 AM
I feel bad for both families in this case. But how many of the people making money off this have been in a similar situation as GZ? Or as TM?  I know that I have been in a similar situation (not following a person, but coming to the rescue of a person that was in danger) and know how fast choices must be made. With the new evidence of the injuries to TM knuckles, and the injuries to GZ, I am pretty sure that I would likely have shot the kid too. I never want to take a life, but when faced with what I AT THE MOMENT feels is a life or death choice, I will always choose to go home to my kids.  The cops did not arrest the kid (even though they got him and his buddy a half a mile from her house) because despite the fact he threatened me, came on kick from breaking into my sister's home and went through my sister's car, HE LOOKED LIKE A GOOD KID. Sorry, behavior like that does not fall into the GOOD KID definition. But my point is that impressions are not always fact.

I also find the behavior of the (mostly) blacks in retaliating, or claiming to retaliate, against white people for the death to be shameful. My oldest son, who is a college student studying to be a youth pastor and currently works with at risk youth in his spare time, was assaulted about three weeks ago by some punks (two black and one either mixed or Hispanic). He was just minding his own business. He would never hassle anyone - the kids were being disruptive so he moved to another part of the park. They followed. They approached him and one tried to take his backpack and one was trying to get his camera. He was able to get them to leave him alone with out a physical altercation thank God. But when he turned to leave, a couple of people pointed out these punks went over a beat a dad and son about 15 feet from him. He called 911 and stayed to talk to the cops. The victims as well as the witnesses said the kids did not steal anything but said they beat the people up "to avenge Trayvon".  How sick is that?   ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 16, 2012, 07:58:59 AM
TBM.   Glad that your son was ok and that he was brave and stuck around to talk with the police.


Even though the medical reports came out that George Zimmerman was injured in the altercation with Trayvon, there will be some who will still choose to go along the path that they have already chosen and that will be hate and retaliation?..the black leaders will not back down..just as the have not in other cases when proven wrong. The Duke case comes to mind.no one spoke out among them and said, we need to apologies to those young men blah blah blah...would go a long ways to healing, but it will never happen. There is no money for them in doing the right thing.jmo. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Red on May 16, 2012, 08:04:08 AM
Autopsy Shows Trayvon Martin Had Injuries to his Knuckles When He Died … Court Records Show George Zimmerman Had Black Eyes, Fractured Nose & Cuts to the Back of his Head

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/05/16/autopsy-shows-trayvon-martin-dad-injuries-to-his-knuckles-when-he-died-court-records-show-george-zimmerman-had-black-eyes-fractured-nose-cuts-to-the-back-of-his-head/

Things that make you go Hmm … sad story starts to take a different turn when the facts of the case are reviewed .

Quote
WFTV is reporting that autopsy results of  Trayvon Martin, the 17 year old youth who was shot and killed by George Zimmerman, show that Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died. George Zimmerman and his defense attorney have claimed that there was a scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin prior to the shooting. This forensic evidence would tend to support that assertion.

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As per court records, George Zimmerman had multiple injuries to this body. As reported by ABC News, Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a broken nose and abrasions on the back of his head (picture). So, we have one individual being charged with second degree murder in Zimmerman with multiple injuries, we have a dead individual in Trayvon Martin with injuries to his knuckles. One would have to question just who was defending who here?  As stated at Breitbart.com, the Trayvon Martin autopsy results and the George Zimmerman medical records lead to the logical conclusion is that Martin was beating up Zimmerman severely before Zimmerman shot him. And this is called “REASONABLE DOUBT”.

 ::snipping2::


There are never any winners when some one dies far too young. However, there are also never any winners when one is falsely charged and tragically made the political poster child of racism when there was none. The liberal MSM and the likes of Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were so quick to jump on this and play the race card. However, when we begin to look at the facts of the case ... this was not a hate crime, this might not have even been 2nd degree murder. What it appears to be is a tragic event of a "perfect storm" when two ships bumped in the night.

It is quite amazing what happens when facts are introduced rather than emotion. Let;s just hope that this eventual Florida jury will look at the facts in this case and take their jobs seriously.  


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 16, 2012, 08:26:00 AM
IslandMonkey...good post ^^^^^^^

Thanks Cookie as was yours, I went back and found out how we felt more uncomfortable seeing those wearing hoodies that evening...that takes alot of courage to state and I admire you for it....this kid was left for dead and I found a far better video, sadly becuase it's clearer it is even more outrageous...the title is a bit misleading, one was hispanic:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Mc2IZvyOo




Those with the hoodies in my neighborhood were white...but I could not tell that one was a girl and that they were all white until I got right along side of them and they looked at me..
They were not doing anything but walking. They had the hoodies over their heads and most of their faces...In the evening which was warm...now if there had burglaries in our neighborhood involving the description of the people that I saw, should I have just ignored them or should I have been watchful and careful?
I would not confront them but I would have gotten word out to my neighbors because that is what we do.  We look out for each other and our families.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 16, 2012, 08:28:04 AM
Autopsy Shows Trayvon Martin Had Injuries to his Knuckles When He Died … Court Records Show George Zimmerman Had Black Eyes, Fractured Nose & Cuts to the Back of his Head

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/05/16/autopsy-shows-trayvon-martin-dad-injuries-to-his-knuckles-when-he-died-court-records-show-george-zimmerman-had-black-eyes-fractured-nose-cuts-to-the-back-of-his-head/

Things that make you go Hmm … sad story starts to take a different turn when the facts of the case are reviewed .

Quote
WFTV is reporting that autopsy results of  Trayvon Martin, the 17 year old youth who was shot and killed by George Zimmerman, show that Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died. George Zimmerman and his defense attorney have claimed that there was a scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin prior to the shooting. This forensic evidence would tend to support that assertion.

Quote
As per court records, George Zimmerman had multiple injuries to this body. As reported by ABC News, Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a broken nose and abrasions on the back of his head (picture). So, we have one individual being charged with second degree murder in Zimmerman with multiple injuries, we have a dead individual in Trayvon Martin with injuries to his knuckles. One would have to question just who was defending who here?  As stated at Breitbart.com, the Trayvon Martin autopsy results and the George Zimmerman medical records lead to the logical conclusion is that Martin was beating up Zimmerman severely before Zimmerman shot him. And this is called “REASONABLE DOUBT”.

 ::snipping2::


There are never any winners when some one dies far too young. However, there are also never any winners when one is falsely charged and tragically made the political poster child of racism when there was none. The liberal MSM and the likes of Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were so quick to jump on this and play the race card. However, when we begin to look at the facts of the case ... this was not a hate crime, this might not have even been 2nd degree murder. What it appears to be is a tragic event of a "perfect storm" when two ships bumped in the night.

It is quite amazing what happens when facts are introduced rather than emotion. Let;s just hope that this eventual Florida jury will look at the facts in this case and take their jobs seriously.  


Well said


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 16, 2012, 08:43:27 AM
Hoodies:

http://www.westword.com/2012-04-19/news/hoodies-banks/
 ::snipping2::
Even before Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder last week, hooded sweatshirts had become a symbol of racial profiling and inspired all sorts of protests, including one by Illinois congressman Bobby Rush, who wore a hoodie and sunglasses on the House floor (before being escorted out), and tweets and pictures from NBA players like Dwyane Wade, LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony.

But in the banking world, hoodies have long been regarded with suspicion — and with good reason, says Jennifer Waller, senior vice president of the Colorado Bankers Association. "Bank robbers try to disguise themselves as much as possible" by covering up their hair or any other distinguishing marks like neck tattoos and hairstyles, she points out. As a result, banks typically ask customers to take off their hats, sunglasses and, yes, the hoods of their sweatshirts while they are inside a branch.
 ::snipping2::

And the libraries in Austin, TX can request you not wear a hoodie:
http://www.statesman.com/news/local/keeping-library-patrons-safe-1-cap-removal-at-934289.html

(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s416/mebizzybee/library-security_552590k.jpg)
 ::snipping2::
"Libraries all across the country are seeing an increase in crimes such as people stealing other people's laptops, iPods," said Brenda Branch, director of Austin's libraries. "We also have people who are sexually harassing other people; we've had peeping Toms."
 ::snipping2::





Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 16, 2012, 09:00:45 AM
Muffers...my bank has that sign in the front door.

I have said this before, all one has to do is read our city newspaper and most of the crimes committed are by those wearing a hoodie...
Makes me mad that the criminals have given hoodies a bad rap cause I love hoodie sweatshirts...but I don't commit a crime when I have one on...well maybe going over the speed limit...


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Red on May 16, 2012, 09:20:20 AM
Hoodies:

http://www.westword.com/2012-04-19/news/hoodies-banks/
 ::snipping2::
Even before Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder last week, hooded sweatshirts had become a symbol of racial profiling and inspired all sorts of protests, including one by Illinois congressman Bobby Rush, who wore a hoodie and sunglasses on the House floor (before being escorted out), and tweets and pictures from NBA players like Dwyane Wade, LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony.

But in the banking world, hoodies have long been regarded with suspicion — and with good reason, says Jennifer Waller, senior vice president of the Colorado Bankers Association. "Bank robbers try to disguise themselves as much as possible" by covering up their hair or any other distinguishing marks like neck tattoos and hairstyles, she points out. As a result, banks typically ask customers to take off their hats, sunglasses and, yes, the hoods of their sweatshirts while they are inside a branch.
 ::snipping2::

And the libraries in Austin, TX can request you not wear a hoodie:
http://www.statesman.com/news/local/keeping-library-patrons-safe-1-cap-removal-at-934289.html

(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s416/mebizzybee/library-security_552590k.jpg)
 ::snipping2::
"Libraries all across the country are seeing an increase in crimes such as people stealing other people's laptops, iPods," said Brenda Branch, director of Austin's libraries. "We also have people who are sexually harassing other people; we've had peeping Toms."
 ::snipping2::

When it comes to "hoodies" think about this. How many  attorneys have allowed their clients to come into court wearing a hoodie? Even the biggest dirtbags are made to dress up in a suit or nice clothing. No one would ever want the jury to see their client dressed in anything but a conservative manner so not to sway the juries preconceptions. Remember when they dressed Casey Anthony up to look like a school libraian? Not like she ever showed up to court wearing a hoodie or a blue stripper dress. Just saying ;-)


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 16, 2012, 11:40:58 AM

https://twitter.com/#!/MarkNejame (https://twitter.com/#!/MarkNejame)
Jay Elliot Coburn ‏ @JayCob20

@MarkNeJame What about the secret meeting between RZ Sr. and Norm Wolfinger, not to mention the SFPD's lack of compassion for the Martins?


13m Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏ @MarkNeJame

@JayCob20 No such meeting. More incorrect info. Sr. lives out of state. Don't know each other. Discovery imp. for ur other good points.

10:21 AM - 16 May 12 via TweetDeck · Details


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 16, 2012, 12:07:31 PM
Trayvon Martin’s mother thanks Miami-Dade commissioners, county colleagues for support

The mother of slain teenager Trayvon Martin thanked Miami-Dade commissioners Tuesday for allowing county employees to donate vacation time so she can take paid leave — amounting to about eight months — from her county job.

Sybrina Fulton, a 23-year employee of the Miami-Dade Housing Authority, wore her county badge and said she does not intend to leave her job to dedicate herself to a fledgling justice advocacy foundation in her son’s name.

“Don’t count me out so fast,” she said. “I’m not resigning.”

For now, however, “I have some additional work to do for my son, on behalf of my son,” she said.

Fulton, accompanied to the podium by her 21-year-old son, Florida International University student Jahvaris Fulton, posed for somber photographs with other family members, commissioners and county employees who donated vacation time to Fulton and to Trayvon’s aunt, Yolanda Knight Evans, a county water and sewer customer service representative.

The donations have triggered contentious debate on social media, where people posted comments suggesting the family was exploiting Trayvon’s death. Many felt that the family members — particularly Trayvon’s aunt — are getting special treatment by collecting so much paid leave.

“How many county employees lose their own children, nieces and nephews and are not afforded anything outside of their accrued leave time?” Jessica Melgarejo Cespedes, an administrative officer for the county’s library system, wrote on The Miami Herald’s Facebook page. “This is bogus.’’

Last month, Commissioners Bruno Barreiro, Jose “Pepe” Diaz and Barbara Jordan put forth a measure allowing county employees to donate vacation time to Fulton, who makes $68,768 a year. Employees donated a total of 34 paid weeks off — worth $40,825. Evans separately collected nearly nine weeks from fellow county employees.

Commissioners approved a similar measure last year to help the families of two police officers killed in the line of duty.  ::snipping2:: 

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/15/2799290_trayvon-martins-mother-a-county.html#storylink=cpy


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 16, 2012, 01:42:49 PM
A Day of Contrasts in Zimmerman Case



It was a day of puzzling contrasts in the case of George Zimmerman, whose attorney is just beginning to receive the evidence prosecutors intend to use against his client for shooting and killing Trayvon Martin. Some of that evidence reveals injuries to Zimmerman on the night of the shooting. It's also said the FBI may be looking at charging Zimmerman with a hate crime. Additionally, Zimmerman appears to have mentored a black child at some point in his life:
 

SANFORD, Fla. - WFTV has learned charges against George Zimmerman could be getting more serious. State prosecutors said Zimmerman, a neighborhood watchman, profiled and stalked 17-year-old Trayvon Martin before killing him, so the FBI is now looking into charging him with a hate crime.
 
As of late Monday, Zimmermanís attorney, Mark OíMara, told WFTV that he's gotten the first prosecution documents containing the evidence against his client. OíMara said he's gotten a redacted witness list with 22 witnesses listed only as numbers.
 
Zimmerman's mother testified at his bond hearing that she has met the black child whom he mentored and even risked his safety in a dangerous neighborhood to do it, because he didn't want to abandon the child.
 
Meanwhile, Orlando attorney and CNN analyst Mark NeJame has unearthed a photo of what is claimed to be Zimmerman's family. It would appear that in order for the slaying of Trayvon Martin to have been a hate crime, George Zimmerman may have to have possessed a bit of self-loathing--or hated his family to some extent.
 

CNN analyst Mark NeJame pointed to a black-and-white picture of a family of three, including a dark-skinned man he claims was Zimmerman's great-grandfather.
 
He also identified a woman pictured standing above the man as Zimmerman's grandmother, and a small child in the man's arms as Zimmerman's mother.
 
Finally, ABC now claims there is evidence depicting a host of injuries sustained by George Zimmerman on the night he encountered Trayvon Martin.
 
ABC looks to have been stirred by its eventually laughed-at previous big scoop hyping a grainy police video that supposedly showed George Zimmerman wasn't injured in a physical confrontation of some kind before shooting and killing Trayvon Martin. That firestorm was driven by other mainstream media coverage just like ABC's that day.   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/16/A-Day-of-Contrasts-in-Zimmerman-Case


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 16, 2012, 02:30:59 PM
Mark my words..Sabrina will not return to her job. She won't have to. She can't say that she isn't going back to her job after co workers donated their time to Sabrina.

Gee...wonder how much time Erin Runyard and Dena Thompson just to name a couple, got to take off of work before they would have been terminated?  Just sayin


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 16, 2012, 03:12:26 PM
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0516/Report-Trayvon-Martin-beat-bloodied-George-Zimmerman.-Game-changer
Report: Trayvon Martin beat, bloodied George Zimmerman. Game-changer?
A medical report showing that Trayvon Martin hit George Zimmerman hard enough to draw blood on his face and head has made a second-degree murder conviction a long shot, say experts.
By Patrik Jonsson, Staff writer
May 16, 2012

 ::snipping2::
Evidence that Martin hit Zimmerman hard enough to draw blood from different places on his face and head and skin his own knuckles, according to some legal experts, has made second-degree murder conviction a long shot.

If accurate, the medical report obtained by ABC “is a game-changer,” says Harvard University law professor Alan Dershowitz, who suggests prosecutors acted inappropriately by not referencing the extent of Zimmerman’s injuries in their sworn affidavit to the court.

“A jury that’s not afraid of causing a riot, an objective jury, is not going to convict somebody of second degree murder after his nose was broken, eyes blackened, and his head banged against the ground,” he says.

“The prosecution’s best case is that Zimmerman provoked Martin, absolutely improperly followed him, and confronted him,” Professor Dershowitz adds. “But as a result of that, a battle ensues and Martin’s on top, banging his head against the ground, and [Zimmerman] reasonably believes that his life is at stake and pulls out the gun. It’s classic self-defense, and if it’s not self defense, it’s at worst involuntary manslaughter.”
The new details of the aftermath of the fight, however, are part of shifting perceptions around the case, which led to a national debate on how race plays into increasingly liberalized US gun and self-defense laws.
Initial reports of the fight, accompanied by pictures of Martin as a baby-faced 14-year-old, created the perception of an unbalanced fight between a gun-carrier adult and a young teen. But at the time of the fight, Martin stood at 6 feet 3 inches and 150 pounds, towering over, but not outweighing, Zimmerman, who is 5-foot-8, and 185 pounds. Zimmerman told the court on April 27 that he thought Martin was an adult and said he didn’t know if he was armed or not.

The medical report “doesn’t prove that George Zimmerman acted lawfully, but it breaks the narrative that Zimmerman was not injured,” writes William Jacobson, a Cornell University law professor, on his Legal Insurrection blog.

But while the extent of Zimmerman’s injuries could certainly influence a jury, the injuries are only part of a broader calculus that led Corey and her team to charge Zimmerman with murder – including Zimmerman’s mindset as he pursued Martin on foot, which a police dispatcher specifically asked him not to do. Zimmerman spotted Martin as he was returning to where he was staying with an iced tea and a bag of Skittles.
 ::snipping2::
In fact, the prosecutor in the case, legal experts say, isn’t trying to argue that Zimmerman wasn’t hurt, but that he ultimately instigated the fight by getting out of his car and “confronting” Martin, who was “minding his own business,” and then shot him and killed him when the situation slipped out of his control. The fact that Zimmerman used massive and deadly force on a teenager armed only with his fists suggests to prosecutors that he displayed reckless – and thus criminal – indifference to human life, the definition of second degree murder.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 16, 2012, 05:43:18 PM
It's not only Police Missteps that cast a shadow over the case.  There was also the media who had a hand in spreading misinformation by editing an audio tape.  Not to mention the photos of Treyvon  as a 14 year old that were published, instead of more recent photos.  I'm finding there is a lot of information we really don't have as verified as factual.  I'm really afraid that when some of the videos and some of the information is put out there and it doesn't fit with what some want for their purpose, it will be considered made up or lies. A big conspiracy.  JMHO  ::MonkeyNoNo::  

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/us/trayvon-martin-case-shadowed-by-police-missteps.html
Trayvon Martin Case Shadowed by Series of Police Missteps
By SERGE F. KOVALESKI
May 16, 2012

SANFORD, Fla. — The killing of Trayvon Martin here two and a half months ago has been cast as the latest test of race relations and equal justice in America. But it was also a test of a small city police department that does not even have a homicide unit and typically handles three or four murder cases a year.
An examination of the Sanford Police Department’s handling of the case shows a series of missteps — including sloppy work — and circumstances beyond its control that impeded the investigation and may make it harder to pursue a case that is already difficult enough.
 ::snipping2::
In interviews over several weeks, law enforcement authorities, witnesses and local elected officials identified problems with the initial investigation:
(see list at link)  
 ::snipping2::

In the two weeks after the shooting, the police were in regular contact with the office of Mr. Wolfinger, the first prosecutor in the case, sharing their findings and suspicions with him and his staff.

The police conducted a lie-detection procedure, known as voice stress analysis, on Mr. Zimmerman that he passed, and they had him re-enact the encounter with Mr. Martin back at the Retreat the day after the shooting. But the operating belief was that the police did not have enough evidence to establish probable cause for a manslaughter charge and an arrest, according to officials with knowledge of the case.

At one department meeting a few days after Mr. Martin’s death, a representative from Mr. Wolfinger’s office was told about the inconsistencies the police saw in Mr. Zimmerman’s account. The prosecutor told them he understood that the police were trying to build a case against Mr. Zimmerman, though they did not have adequate evidence, according to a law enforcement official. It was decided that more work was needed on the case.

As the national uproar intensified, the Sanford city manager, Norton N. Bonaparte Jr., and Mayor Jeff Triplett were growing eager to have the police send the case to Mr. Wolfinger, to get it moving through the justice system. The police did so just over two weeks after Mr. Martin’s death. The police included a recommendation that Mr. Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter, a position one law enforcement official described as “weak,” and which the prosecutor did not act on.

Ms. Corey’s decision to charge Mr. Zimmerman with second-degree murder fueled even more criticism of the police. Mr. Zimmerman has since entered a written plea of not guilty.

Ms. Corey declined to be interviewed, as did Mr. Wolfinger. Governor Scott also declined several requests for an interview about how and why he selected Ms. Corey for the case.

In announcing the charge, though, Ms. Corey praised the Sanford Police Department’s work, indicating that it had conducted a “thorough and intensive” inquiry and was a “tremendous help” to her office.
Four Page Article


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 16, 2012, 06:58:04 PM
http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/18441035/new-zimmerman-defense-fund-raises-15k
New Zimmerman defense fund raises $15K
May 16, 2012

SANFORD, Fla. -- George Zimmerman's new legal defense fund has raised over $15,000 this month, his attorney announced Wednesday.

The $15,424 will be used to cover Zimmerman's ongoing living expenses and legal costs while he battles a second-degree murder charge in the Trayvon Martin shooting case, his lawyer wrote on gzlegalcase.com.

The sum comes in addition to the $200,000-plus Zimmerman previously raised through a different website.

That fund was shut down last month by attorney Mark O'Mara in favor of gzlegalcase.com, which has hired an independent monitor to ensure the money is only used for reasonable living expenses and legal costs.

O'Mara posted that Zimmerman has spent $30,000 from the initial fund in his "complicated transition from a private life in Sanford, FL to his new life in hiding as the defendant in a high-profile case."

O'Mara said an additional $20,000 has been kept liquid for Zimmerman's expenses in the coming months.

The lawyer said some of the fund is expected to be used on legal costs soon, but that he has not yet been paid by Zimmerman.

According to gzlegalcase.com, the largest donation to Zimmerman was $3,000 and the lowest was one dollar.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 16, 2012, 07:00:01 PM
http://www.mysanfordherald.com/view/full_story/18622392/article-Lists-of-evidence--witnesses-filed-in-Zimmerman-case?instance=home_news_2nd_left
Lists of evidence, witnesses filed in Zimmerman case
by Rachel Delinski, Herald Editor
May 16, 2012

In an eight-page document filed by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey on Monday the public finally got a glimpse of what evidence will be included in the case against George Zimmerman.
 ::snipping2::
The paperwork filed by Corey includes a list of witnesses from various departments as well as witness statements, reports, photos, videos and cell phone records. Civilian witnesses’ names have been kept off the list with the exception of Martin’s family, Sybrina and Javaris Fulton and Tracy Martin, and Zimmerman’s father and friends, Robert Zimmerman, Joe Oliver and Frank Taffe.

The remaining, sealed list of civilian witnesses consists of 22 people.

Photos taken from the scene of the incident at The Retreat at Twin Lakes as well as photos of both Martin and Zimmerman at the scene are included. Also included are videos of Martin visiting the 7-Eleven where he purchased an iced tea and Skittles before the fatal shooting occurred, as well as video from the neighborhood.

Video of Zimmerman entering the Sanford Police Station after the shooting – which was released in an apparent leak from the Sanford Police Department – was also on the list.

Phone records for Martin along with 40 witness recordings are also part of the evidence.

Corey also filed a motion Monday to keep certain information in the case sealed, however it is unclear which evidence it will be. It is also unsure if Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara will file a similar motion.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 16, 2012, 07:11:45 PM
What Zimmerman, Martin medical reports tell us and the media didn't


The new medical reports on the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case tell us a lot. And it is not just for what they find, but also what they don’t find.
 
First, the reports provide striking evidence that Zimmerman did not start the fight with Martin, and that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense. Martin’s injuries were two-fold: broken skin on his knuckles and the fatal gunshot wound.
 
Zimmerman’s injuries involved: a fractured nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury.
 
It takes considerable force to break the skin on multiple knuckles. The large range of injuries on Zimmerman indicates that the Martin’s attack was prolonged. But here is what is missing: where are the injuries to Zimmerman’s hands? Where are the bruises on Martin’s face or other parts of his body? The evidence paints a picture where Martin was the only person landing blows.
 
The broken skin on Martin’s knuckles and Zimmerman’s wounds obviously provide some justification for self-defense. But if Zimmerman is to have justifiably used self-defense, he can’t have provoked Martin’s attack.
 
The affidavit filed by the prosecutor against Zimmerman was extremely weak and had many glaring omissions. It does not answer the most crucial question: Who attacked whom? All it states is: “Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued.” “Confronted” does not mean “provoked” or “assaulted.” It may mean that Zimmerman merely followed Martin and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood.
 
Surely Zimmerman had the right to investigate a strange person in his neighborhood. But, in any case, Zimmerman simply asking Martin why he was in the neighborhood doesn’t give Martin the right to start striking him or pounding his head into the concrete sidewalk.
 
Simple words do not justify hitting someone.
 
Anyway, it appears that Zimmerman didn’t even question Martin. The 911 tape of Zimmerman reporting a strange person in the area indicates that Zimmerman didn’t even try to ask Martin a question.
 
When the police operator told Zimmerman “we don’t need you to do that [following Martin],” Zimmerman appears to have stopped following Martin and agreed to go to where the police would be arriving.
 
The medical evidence implies that Zimmerman did not physically attack Martin and thus there was no justification for Martin to start hitting Zimmerman.
 
With the case unraveling, it makes the prosecutor’s behavior look even more outrageous. The prosecutor wasn’t required to go to the grand jury for the indictment, but the fact that she didn’t in such a high-profile case is troubling. Everyone knows how easy it is for a prosecutor to get a grand jury to indict, because only the prosecutor presents evidence and the standard of proof is very low.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/05/16/what-zimmerman-martin-medical-reports-tell-us-and-media-didnt/?cmpid=cmty_%7BlinkBack%7D_What_Zimmerman%2C_Martin_medical_reports_tell_us_and_the_media_didn't#ixzz1v4pBCgkk


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on May 16, 2012, 07:42:09 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::
http://www.wtsp.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1639462137001

Call me crazy, but........do I see hoodies on these thugs who beat the shit out of a soldier who fights for their rights???? Wonder where Sharpton, Jackson , Crump and Holder are......<crickets>, and certainly this can't be a hate crime, nah.....

 ::snipping2::

The manager of the Green Oaks Apartments, where the young man lives, was sickened by what she saw. "I was horrified," said Pat Chumley. "I couldn't believe how bad it looked."
 
The 24-year-old is stationed at MacDill Air Force Base and arrived from Georgia, sources say, with only the belongings in his car.
 
Chumley and her friends are working to get some furniture for the soldier since he doesn't even have a bed, they say.
 
If you watch the surveillance video closely, just seconds before the attack, three men are seen walking ahead of the soldier. Then, one of them walks back and hits the young man in the face. As the soldier falls to the  ground, more men join in on the brutal beating. In fact, another person comes running down the street and joins in.
 
Tampa Police Lt. Mary O'Connor told 10 News, "It's shocking.  We need to find out who these individuals are."
 
The young soldier was beaten, kicked, punched, and left in the street. His wallet and phone were stolen. He eventually made his way to a nearby home on Iowa Street, begging a woman to call 911. The woman who placed the emergency call declined to comment.
 
Chumley says that she and her friends have tried to be somewhat of a mother to the young man. She said, "He'll ask advice from us, you know, we love to give advice. You know how mothers are."
 
They are hoping to help him when he finally gets home for good. "I'm gonna give him a big hug. You know, he's a young kid."
 ::snipping2::


A group of three young men is seen walking ahead of the soldier. Police say one of the men in the group doubled back and asked to soldier to borrow a dollar. When the soldier reached for his wallet, the first punch flew.

 ::snipping2::
This is another man I will send $$ to, FTLOG he had nothing and yet still reached in his pocket after they doubled back on him. ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Update:

UPDATE: The victim has been released from the hospital -- Reward now $16,250 in beating of soldier in South Tampa: http://bit.ly/JhmGXA  https://www.facebook.com/bn9fans


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 16, 2012, 08:00:27 PM
Lawyer says Zimmerman medical report leaked to boost case.


Lawyer Benjamin Crump said he has not seen the medical report but questions who leaked the information and why
"It was leaked for a beneficial purpose," he said, "certainly to help George Zimmerman's claim of self-defense."

The medical report detailing George Zimmerman's injuries after he shot and killed Trayvon was first reported by ABC News on Tuesday.   ::snipping2:: 


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-05-16/trayvon-zimmerman-medical-report/55022578/1?csp=34news

I geuss he should know considering all the erroneous 'reports' and photos leaked by him and his team...


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 16, 2012, 08:06:18 PM
Trayvon Martin killed by single gunshot fired from 'intermediate range,' autopsy shows


Florida teenager Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from “intermediate range,” according to an autopsy report reviewed Wednesday by NBC News.

The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old Martin had one other fresh injury – a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch  in size –  on his left ring finger below the knuckle.
 
Separately, a medical report on Martin’s alleged killer, 28-year-old George Zimmerman, prepared by his personal physician the day after Martin’s shooting in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, found that the Neighborhood Watch volunteer suffered a likely broken nose, swelling, two black eyes and cuts to the scalp. That report, first reported Tuesday by ABC News, also was reviewed by NBC News.   ::snipping2:: 

George Zimmerman's lawyer has signaled that he may seek a dismissal of the second-degree murder charges against his client under Florida's Stand Your Ground Law. NBC's Michael Isikoff reports.   [video at link]

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-killed-by-single-gunshot-fired-from-intermediate-range-autopsy-shows?lite

Hmmm, NBC...


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 16, 2012, 08:46:38 PM
Trayvon Martin killed by single gunshot fired from 'intermediate range,' autopsy shows


Florida teenager Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from “intermediate range,” according to an autopsy report reviewed Wednesday by NBC News.

The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old Martin had one other fresh injury – a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch  in size –  on his left ring finger below the knuckle.
 
Separately, a medical report on Martin’s alleged killer, 28-year-old George Zimmerman, prepared by his personal physician the day after Martin’s shooting in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, found that the Neighborhood Watch volunteer suffered a likely broken nose, swelling, two black eyes and cuts to the scalp. That report, first reported Tuesday by ABC News, also was reviewed by NBC News.   ::snipping2:: 

George Zimmerman's lawyer has signaled that he may seek a dismissal of the second-degree murder charges against his client under Florida's Stand Your Ground Law. NBC's Michael Isikoff reports.   [video at link]

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-killed-by-single-gunshot-fired-from-intermediate-range-autopsy-shows?lite

Hmmm, NBC...

I was wondering what is considered "intermediate range".

Quote
Florida teenager Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from “intermediate range,” according to an autopsy report reviewed Wednesday by NBC News.

http://www.forensic-medecine.info/marks-of-violence.html
Marks of Violence

  Forensic medicine well studied practically all types to forcible death. We shall Bring only some the most wide-spread types of the violence, but you should understand that forensic science can reveal all!

Gunshots

  The most common form of murder is shooting. Firearm shootings are most common in the USA and Canada, however cases of shootings are increasing rapidly in all countries. It is said that the exit wound of a bullet is much larger and more ragged that the entry wound, the case is not always so. It all depends of the nature of both the bullet and the part of the body the bullet enters and exits.

  The entry wound is larger than the exit wound if the bullet is moving through flesh, however this is not that common an occurrence as the bullet usually hits bone. When the bullet does hit bone, it either ricochets off the bone and stays in the body, or it exits. If it exits, the exit wound will be larger than the entry wound. If a bullet does hit bone it often ricochets in a different direction. The angle of the bullets path can often be determined.

  The entry wound can often be distinguished quite easily. If when fired the gun was held quite close to the skin, there will be soot and residues around the wound. If the muzzle of the gun was held to the skin when shooting, the skin around the wound will be black and maybe pinkish in colour due to the emission of carbon monoxide. The entry hole will be star-shaped or splintered if fired at close-range. The further away a shot is fired, the neater the entry wound will be, and there will be less blackening of the skin.

  In forensics there are four types of gunshot wound: Contact wound - The muzzle of the gun was applied to the skin at the time of shooting, Close Range -The muzzle of the gun was 6-8 inches away from the skin at shooting, Intermediate Range - The gun was 8 inches to 3.5 feet away, and Distant - The gun was over 3.4 feet away at the time of shooting.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 16, 2012, 10:27:53 PM
Zimmerman: Martin's last words were "it's over"

SANFORD, Fla., - The trial of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with murdering Trayvon Martin is still months away, but the investigation continues.

CBS News correspondent Mark Strassmann has come up with new information about what happened that February night when Zimmerman shot the unarmed teenager in a gated community in Sanford, Florida.

At the heart of this case is what happened of the course of 90 seconds: from the moment Zimmerman hung up with a non-emergency dispatcher -- to the first 911 call from a neighbor.

What Zimmerman wounds might mean for Martin case
Report: Trayvon Martin gun range targets sold online
Trayvon mom: Re-examine "Stand Your Ground" laws

Wednesday new details emerged from sources close to the investigation. A responder at the crime scene told CBS News that he and others saw wounds on the knuckles of one of Martin's hands as he lay dead on this lawn, suggesting Martin had thrown a punch.

Zimmerman told police he fired the shot at point blank range while on his back, as the 17-year-old straddled him.

He also told investigators Martin did not die immediately but mumbled either "it's over" or "you got me."  ::snipping2::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57435800/zimmerman-martins-last-words-were-its-over/

Video at link.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 16, 2012, 10:36:33 PM
O’Reilly And Trayvon Attorney Dissect Legal Impact Of Zimmerman’s Medical Records Showing Injuries

On his show Wednesday night, Bill O’Reilly returned to the Trayvon Martin case — in light of ABC News’ report that medical records support George Zimmerman‘s account of scalp injuries and a broken nose. O’Reilly emphasized — as he has in the past — that the case should not be tried on television. He brought in Martin family’s attorney, Benjamin Crump, to discuss.
 
RELATED: ABC News Reports Medical Records Support George Zimmerman’s Account Of Broken Nose And Scalp Injuries
 
Obviously, O’Reilly said, this new evidence points to a confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman. Furthermore, all the pundits who were quick to place guilt on Zimmerman, he said, are now being challenged by the medical report.

Crump agreed the case shouldn’t be tried on TV, but said the medical records should be “vetted properly.” He went on to question why Zimmerman, if he’d sustained serious injuries, would have declined medical attention following the incident. O’Reilly agreed that the prosecutor needs to cross-examine — going on to mention Martin’s autopsy, which said Martin’s knuckles were scraped. (NBC News’ report notes it was, “a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size — on his left ring finger below the knuckle.)
 
Without eyewitnesses, O’Reilly said, it’s very difficult to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, second-degree murder based on racial profiling. Crump urged the need to put “everything in the full context.” There “are different versions of his account,” Crump said. “They hopefully are going to come out.” He went on to say that if Zimmerman had “stood down,” there’d have been to need for him to “stand his ground” — referring to Florida’s Stand Your Ground law, which allows acting in self-defense if there’s a reasonable belief of threat.
 
The two agreed on one thing: we shouldn’t be jumping to any conclusions, especially not without taking a look at all the evidence in context.
 
Take a look at the segment, via Fox News:

 
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/oreilly-and-trayvon-attorney-dissect-legal-impact-of-zimmermans-medical-records-showing-injuries/

Video at link.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 17, 2012, 12:00:53 AM


Gunshots

  The most common form of murder is shooting. Firearm shootings are most common in the USA and Canada, however cases of shootings are increasing rapidly in all countries. It is said that the exit wound of a bullet is much larger and more ragged that the entry wound, the case is not always so. It all depends of the nature of both the bullet and the part of the body the bullet enters and exits.

  The entry wound is larger than the exit wound if the bullet is moving through flesh, however this is not that common an occurrence as the bullet usually hits bone. When the bullet does hit bone, it either ricochets off the bone and stays in the body, or it exits. If it exits, the exit wound will be larger than the entry wound. If a bullet does hit bone it often ricochets in a different direction. The angle of the bullets path can often be determined.

  The entry wound can often be distinguished quite easily. If when fired the gun was held quite close to the skin, there will be soot and residues around the wound. If the muzzle of the gun was held to the skin when shooting, the skin around the wound will be black and maybe pinkish in colour due to the emission of carbon monoxide. The entry hole will be star-shaped or splintered if fired at close-range. The further away a shot is fired, the neater the entry wound will be, and there will be less blackening of the skin.

  In forensics there are four types of gunshot wound: Contact wound - The muzzle of the gun was applied to the skin at the time of shooting, Close Range -The muzzle of the gun was 6-8 inches away from the skin at shooting, Intermediate Range - The gun was 8 inches to 3.5 feet away, and Distant - The gun was over 3.4 feet away at the time of shooting.
 ::snipping2::
[/quote]

Thanks Muffy, was wondering about that. Did read somewhere...sorry don't have a link..that there was 'stippling' on Trayvon. Don't mean to sound callous, just what was said.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 17, 2012, 02:03:13 AM
Lawyer Denies Leaking George Zimmerman's Medical Report

The attorney for Martin's parents, Natalie Jackson, is questioning the release of the medical records Tuesday that prosecutors have in the second-degree murder case against Zimmerman.
 Jackson said she feels the report was leaked to try and help Zimmerman's defense, but Zimmerman's lawyer denies any involvement.
 "Did your office leak that to make Mr. Zimmerman look better?" reporter Bob Kealing asked Mark O'Mara, Zimmerman's lawyer.
 "Absolutely not," said O'Mara.
Zimmerman claims that Martin punched him in the face and started slamming his head on the ground.
 "In defending him in public like this you're painting Trayvon who was a kid walking home from the store as an aggressive thug, which he was not," said Jackson.
 Jackson also questions why Zimmerman went to a family doctor the day after the incident rather than to the emergency room the night of Feb. 26.
 The report indicates that Zimmerman was treated Feb. 27 at Altamonte Family Practice.
 Jackson said the medical report does not include X-rays or an MRI to confirm the injuries.
 "Where are those objective reports?" Jackson said. "Not there. We know from the video taken 30 minutes after the incident there wasn't even a bandage on his head."   ::snipping2:: 

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/31072911/detail.html#ixzz1v6Uj6oMF


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 17, 2012, 08:39:57 AM
No surprise here, with the Martin family disputing medical report.  Is it all a conspiracy against Treyvon?  Or has there been a conspiracy against Zimmerman?  What are the facts?  Where is the truth? 

http://www.wdbo.com/news/news/local/records-detail-george-zimmermans-medical-injuries/nN7yf/
Martin's family disputes Zimmerman medical report
May 17, 2012

EMINOLE COUNTY, Fla. —

Trayvon Martin’s family is questioning a newly obtained medical report that shows George Zimmerman was treated for a fractured nose, cuts and a black eye one day after he allegedly killed Martin.

ABC News broke details of Zimmerman's medical report on Tuesday.

Court records show Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head after the fatal shooting of the 17-year-old Martin.

“It goes along with Zimmerman's story that he acted in self-defense, because he was getting beaten up by Trayvon Martin," said WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer.

ABC News reported the medical records were part of evidence released that prosecutors have in the second-degree murder case against Zimmerman. He has entered a plea of not guilty and claims self-defense in the Feb. 26 shooting.

The injuries the doctor lists correspond to Zimmerman's account of what happened before Zimmerman opened fire on Martin. However, the report did not say that Zimmerman had been concussed.

Martin’s parents are disputing Zimmerman’s medical report, saying he was not beaten as badly as he claims he was.


 “The testimony is that Trayvon Martin beat his head against the pavement repeatedly for over a minute,” said Martin’s family attorney, Benjamin Crump. “And so, you'd logically conclude that somebody would be concussed.”

The Mayo Clinic said most concussions don't cause unconsciousness and "some people have concussions and don't realize it.”

 But the new medical records also show the doctor wrote that Zimmerman "had a weapon as he is authorized to carry a firearm, and he fired at the attacker, killing him."

Sheaffer said that unrelated statement about the gun could raise questions about the report, which otherwise helps Zimmerman.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 17, 2012, 09:45:51 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/2012/05/17/bill-oreilly-stunning-new-developments-trayvon-martin-case
Bill O'Reilly: Stunning new developments in the Trayvon Martin case
By Bill O'Reilly
May 16, 2012

ABC News is reporting and Fox News is confirming that a Florida doctor examined George Zimmerman hours after his confrontation with Trayvon Martin on February 26th.

You'll remember, Zimmerman shot the 17-year-old dead and has now been charged with second degree murder. According to the doctor, George Zimmerman suffered a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and minor back injury. Also Zimmerman had bruising to his upper lip and cheek. Obviously all of that points to a physical confrontation between him and Trayvon Martin.

After the initial story broke, pundits went wild. You remember that. And you also may remember that I called for restraint when analyzing the case. I asked the commentators who were convicting George Zimmerman on television to stop. Here is an example of how crazy things were.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HANK JOHNSON (D) GEORGIA CONGRESSMAN : He was executed for WWB in a GC; walking while black in a gated community.

FREDERICA WILSON (D), FLORIDA CONGRESSWOMAN: Trayvon was hunted down like a rabid dog. He was shot in the street. He was racially profiled.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O'REILLY: Obviously those very tense and inflammatory statements are now being challenged by the evidence. The doctor who examined Zimmerman will be a key witness in the upcoming trial.

Now, once again I do not want to try this case on television but because it has become a national controversy. Loaded with racial implications, the doctor's report is major news. This latest exposition should prove to Americans once and for all -- once and for all, the case needs to be tried in front of a jury and people need to stop jumping to conclusions and exploiting the death of an American teenager for their own purposes.

That's right. Trayvon Martin was used by pundits and politicians to make political and social points... very wrong.


Mr. Zimmerman is out on bail. He is in hiding. His life has been threatened. His next court date August 8th. But a full trial will most likely not begin until next year.

And that's "The Memo."
 ::snipping2::

Video at Link



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 17, 2012, 09:50:34 AM
It would appear someone tried to stoke the flames with rumors on twitter.  See the tweets below when Mark is asked about it and his reply.

https://twitter.com/#!/MarkNejame (https://twitter.com/#!/MarkNejame)


Sharvey ‏@SmithLoyal

@MarkNeJame Mr NeJame, did you really file a litigation against the Martin family and Al Sharpton? That would not be good if you did.


8h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@SmithLoyal Of course not. Where does such nonsense come from? Some cowardly use character assassination anonymously to avoid & derail truth


11:50 PM - 16 May 12 via TweetDeck · Details
8h Sharvey Sharvey ‏@SmithLoyal

@MarkNeJame some crazy spread it on twitter, and I saw it on a couple websites. I was skeptical of believing that. GZ has too much going on.





Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 17, 2012, 09:58:00 AM
It would appear someone tried to stoke the flames with rumors on twitter.  See the tweets below when Mark is asked about it and his reply.

https://twitter.com/#!/MarkNejame (https://twitter.com/#!/MarkNejame)


Sharvey ‏@SmithLoyal

@MarkNeJame Mr NeJame, did you really file a litigation against the Martin family and Al Sharpton? That would not be good if you did.


8h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@SmithLoyal Of course not. Where does such nonsense come from? Some cowardly use character assassination anonymously to avoid & derail truth


11:50 PM - 16 May 12 via TweetDeck · Details
8h Sharvey Sharvey ‏@SmithLoyal

@MarkNeJame some crazy spread it on twitter, and I saw it on a couple websites. I was skeptical of believing that. GZ has too much going on.





this almost sounds like a threat to me!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on May 17, 2012, 01:56:16 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/2012/05/17/bill-oreilly-stunning-new-developments-trayvon-martin-case


That's right. Trayvon Martin was used by pundits and politicians to make political and social points... very wrong.


Yep...the media manipulates news to hide other news that they don't want people to pay much attention to.  (Sorta like when J2K was released from KIA while Katrina occupied the US news)  I wonder what it was that the MSM was trying to minimize.

Any ideas?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Blonde on May 17, 2012, 06:16:33 PM
Autopsy: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system
Posted: May 17, 2012 4:50 PM CDT Updated: May 17, 2012 4:59 PM CDT

 

(RNN) - Medical examiners found the drug THC in the blood of Trayvon Martin, the teen who was shot and killed by the volunteer neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman in a Florida gated community.

New documents in the case are expected to be released Thursday on the state's attorney website, including 67 CD's-worth of material that are part of the discovery. ::snipping2::

http://www.wfsb.com/story/18506505/autopsy-trayvon-martin-had-drugs-in-his-system


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Blonde on May 17, 2012, 06:17:38 PM
Autopsy: Trayvon Martin had drugs in his system
Posted: May 17, 2012 4:50 PM CDT Updated: May 17, 2012 4:59 PM CDT

 

(RNN) - Medical examiners found the drug THC in the blood of Trayvon Martin, the teen who was shot and killed by the volunteer neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman in a Florida gated community.

New documents in the case are expected to be released Thursday on the state's attorney website, including 67 CD's-worth of material that are part of the discovery. ::snipping2::

http://www.wfsb.com/story/18506505/autopsy-trayvon-martin-had-drugs-in-his-system


Isn't THC in pot


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on May 17, 2012, 07:01:12 PM
Autopsy: Evidence of marijuana in Martin's blood
http://www.chron.com/news/article/Zimmerman-using-30-000-for-living-expenses-3566508.php

   
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Medical examiners found evidence of marijuana in Trayvon Martin's system after he was fatally shot by a neighborhood watch volunteer, an autopsy report released Thursday shows.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 17, 2012, 07:04:13 PM
Cops, Witnesses Back Up George Zimmerman's Version of Trayvon Martin Shooting

May 17, 2012
 Two police reports written the night that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin said that Zimmerman had a bloody face and nose, according to police reports made public today.
 
The reports also note that two witness accounts appear to back up Zimmerman's version of what happened when they describe a man on his back with another person wearing a hoodie straddling him and throwing punches.
 
In addition, Trayvon Martin's father told an investigator after listening to 911 tapes that captured a man's voice frantically callling for help that it was not his son calling for help.
 
The new information is part of a trove of documents released by the Florida State Attorney today in the case against Zimmerman, who is charged with second degree murder for the Feb. 26 killing of Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old African American male.
 
Zimmerman, 28, is a multi-racial Hispanic man who volunteered for the neighborhood watch committee who claimed that he shot Martin in self-defense after the 6-foot tall, 160 pound teenager knocked him to the ground, banged his head against the ground and went for Zimmerman's gun.
 
Two police officers reported that when they arrived at the scene of the shooting, Zimmerman seemed to have a broken nose and bloodied face. One wrote that his "facial area was bloodied," and the back of his clothing was soiled with wet grass.
 
"Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of his head," Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote.
 
Another officer wrote, "I saw that Zimmerman's face was bloodied and it appeared to me that his nose was broken."
 
Witnesses, whose names were redacted from the report, also lent support to Zimmerman's version of what happened.  ::snipping2:: 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnesses-back-george-zimmermans-version/story?id=16371852
 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 17, 2012, 07:20:17 PM
Martin's family disputes Zimmerman medical report

 ::snipping2:: 


Martin’s parents are disputing Zimmerman’s medical report, saying he was not beaten as badly as he claims he was.

 “The testimony is that Trayvon Martin beat his head against the pavement repeatedly for over a minute,” said Martin’s family attorney, Benjamin Crump. “And so, you'd logically conclude that somebody would be concussed.”

The Mayo Clinic said most concussions don't cause unconsciousness and "some people have concussions and don't realize it.”

 But the new medical records also show the doctor wrote that Zimmerman "had a weapon as he is authorized to carry a firearm, and he fired at the attacker, killing him."

Sheaffer said that unrelated statement about the gun could raise questions about the report, which otherwise helps Zimmerman.

“This is going to make what the paramedics, the first responders, observed all the more important,” said Sheaffer. “If their observations are consistent with this doctor's report, then it's going to bolster this report.”

WFTV also learned that Martin had broken skin on his knuckles when he was shot and killed. That could play into Zimmerman's story that Martin punched him in the nose and then slammed his head on the sidewalk.   

However, Crump said Martin had cuts to knuckles, saying, Martin got those injuries fighting for his life.   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.wdbo.com/news/news/local/records-detail-george-zimmermans-medical-injuries/nN7yf/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on May 17, 2012, 07:30:11 PM
Why did Tracy Martin not allow the police permission to download Trayvon's phone info before he talked to his lawyer?

And why did he lie about the screams being TM.........this is no doubt a tragedy in every way but is now a witch hunt IMO and a damn profitable "job" for a few:(


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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 17, 2012, 08:47:27 PM
State v. Zimmerman: Evidence released by prosecutor

Includes Trayvon Martin autopsy report, George Zimmerman medical report and other evidence related to the trial "State v. Zimmerman."



http://www.scribd.com/doc/93951121/State-v-Zimmerman-Evidence-released-by-prosecutor


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: KittyMom on May 17, 2012, 11:33:53 PM
The truth is coming out in the evidence release and what do we hear.....crickets.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Puzzler on May 18, 2012, 03:35:58 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/17/ijvm.01.html
CNN.com - Transcripts - Jane Velez-Mitchell - Issues

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

New Info Released in Trayvon Martin Case

Aired May 17, 2012


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2012, 09:05:48 AM
If you go click on Mark's twitter link, you can read the tweets, including conversations, if you click on "expand".  Then you can see more exchanges of convo.  IMO we need facts, we need the truth, whether it fits our wants or our preconceived scenarios.  The death of a young man is a tragedy, but we need to know the facts surrounding it. Again, JMHO Start reading from bottom.

https://twitter.com/#!/MarkNejame (https://twitter.com/#!/MarkNejame)

R.T. Woodall ‏@saleemjourney

@MarkNeJame~FACT is you made NO mention of #Trayvon being shot thru the heart by GZ. The only thing you made mention of was GZ scratches.

9h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@saleemjourney Respectfully, we know TM was killed.That is the sad but clear fact. What we didn't know was the pics/injuries to GZ that came


9h R.T. Woodall R.T. Woodall ‏@saleemjourney

@MarkNeJame w/all due respect sir, I ask that u state the WHOLE fact. Trayvon had a bullet lodged in his heart in addition to weed in body.


9h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@saleemjourney Everyone knows that TM was killed by a bullet. Not the issue at hand. That would be like stating he was male. Weed new issue


9h R.T. Woodall R.T. Woodall ‏@saleemjourney

@MarkNeJame as a highly skilled attorney you know just mentioning #trayvon had weed in his system is inflamitory. Just like GZ scratches.



9h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@saleemjourney If u listen to me u would know I concluded that weed was likely irrelevant. U can't just pick & choose what u want to hear


9h R.T. Woodall R.T. Woodall ‏@saleemjourney

@MarkNeJame I can respect that~but I don't respect you picking & choosing what you find most relevant in regards to TM having weed in system
e

9h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@saleemjourney We're almost there. I don't think weed relevant. Only that his defense may try to show it was consistent w 911 call of drugs


10:37 PM - 17 May 12 via TweetDeck · Details
9h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@AgRockB Weed is irrelevant to aggressiveness. Makes mellow. Could be consistent w GZ 911 tape stating TM looked drugged. That was point.


9h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@saleemjourney OMG! 1 more time.TM death is tragedy.Weed in system likely not. But u can't just twist things to fit ur belief. Facts r facts



9h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@saleemjourney If u listen to me u would know I concluded that weed was likely irrelevant. U can't just pick & choose what u want to hear


9h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@saleemjourney Respectfully, no ma'am. We all knew he died. Knew GZ alleged injuries. Didn't know of weed. Don't think it a big deal tho.


9h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@saleemjourney 5 minutes of a tv show doesn't allow one to cover all points. must deal with topic of the show. New info is what is discussed


9h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@saleemjourney Everyone knows that TM was killed by a bullet. Not the issue at hand. That would be like stating he was male. Weed new issue


9h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@NicNicinGA You're point was a good one and was helpful. Always need to be aware. Couldn't let the opportunity pass tho to get you back. Thx


9h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@saleemjourney Respectfully, we know TM was killed.That is the sad but clear fact. What we didn't know was the pics/injuries to GZ that came


9h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@JayCob20 I don't think TM was impaired.Point was that a defense atty may attempt to argue this as would be consistent w GZ 911 call comment


9h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@saleemjourney Justice requires listening to facts & not only what u want to believe.TM death a tragedy but another would be a rush to judge

10h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@RPMcMurphy1 McMurphy would be insulted by ur faulty assessment. Youre not listening. I've explained that gun issue needs to be addressed.


12h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

What new discovery in #GeorgeZimmerman #TrayvonMartin case watch @DrDrewHLN @HLNTV & @PiersTonight at 9:00PM @CNN for latest!


14h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

I'm on all night watch: @HLNTV @jvelezmitchell @DrDrewHLN & @CNN on @OutFrontCNN @PiersTonight #GeorgeZimmerman #TrayvonMartin


14h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

MT @OutFrontCNN Tune in 7:30p for latest on #TravyonMartin autopsy report. @MarkNeJame & Martin family attorney comes #outfront. #cnn


14h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

Watch at 7PM I'll discuss new discovery in #GeorgeZimmerman #TrayvonMartin case w/@jvelezmitchell live on @HLNTV


15h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

Discovery coming out in #GeorgeZimmerman #TrayvonMartin case now. Reading, will be discussing all night on @CNN & @HLNTV


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 18, 2012, 09:59:29 AM
 He Said What? Zimmerman's Letter From Jail Before He Was Released (DETAILS)


Days before bonding out of a Florida jail, George Zimmerman wrote a two page letter to a supporter, which has now been released to the public.
 
Zimmerman believes, "this will all work out for me in the future...I have given my burden to the Lord and he has blessed me with tremendous patience!"
 
The two-page letter obtained by The Smoking Gun was written by Zimmerman in a response to a letter of support sent by an Ohio man who wanted to deposit money in his jail account.
 
STORY: Five Ways The Sanford Police F*cked Up The Trayvon Martin Case
 
Zimmerman explained that he was only allowed to accept funds from individuals on his approved list of visitors.
 
Zimmerman wrote:
 
"The best way to send your support is through prayer! If you insist on sending funds, the best way is through my website."


Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmermans-trayvon-martin-sanford-police-later-jail-details#ixzz1vEHAdrix

Copy of letter at link.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 18, 2012, 10:03:26 AM
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/video.html?clip=http://static.cfnews13.com/newsvideo/cfn/Trayvon-7-Eleven-0517.flv&vtitle=Trayvon%20Martin%20in%207-Eleven

Video of Martin at 7-11


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 18, 2012, 10:17:34 AM
Drop George Zimmerman’s murder charge

A medical report by George Zimmerman’s doctor has disclosed that Zimmerman had a fractured nose, two black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head and a back injury on the day after the fatal shooting. If this evidence turns out to be valid, the prosecutor will have no choice but to drop the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman — if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally.

There is, of course, no assurance that the special prosecutor handling the case, State Attorney Angela Corey, will do the right thing. Because until now, her actions have been anything but ethical, lawful and professional.

She was aware when she submitted an affidavit that it did not contain the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. She deliberately withheld evidence that supported Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense. The New York Times has reported that the police had “a full face picture” of Zimmerman, before paramedics treated him, that showed “a bloodied nose.” The prosecutor also had photographic evidence of bruises to the back of his head.

But none of this was included in any affidavit.

Now there is much more extensive medical evidence that would tend to support Zimmerman’s version of events. This version, if true, would establish self-defense even if Zimmerman had improperly followed, harassed and provoked Martin.

A defendant, under Florida law, loses his “stand your ground” defense if he provoked the encounter — but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force.

Thus, if Zimmerman verbally provoked Martin, but Martin then got on top of Zimmerman and banged his head into the ground, broke his nose, bloodied his eyes and persisted in attacking Zimmerman — and if Zimmerman couldn’t protect himself from further attack except by shooting Martin — he would have the right to do that. (The prosecution has already admitted that it has no evidence that Zimmerman started the actual fight.)

This is a fact-specific case, in which much turns on what the jury believes beyond a reasonable doubt. It must resolve all such doubts in favor of the defendant, because our system of justice insists that it is better for 10 guilty defendants to go free than for even one innocent to be wrongfully convicted.

You wouldn’t know that from listening to Corey, who announced that her jobs was “to do justice for Trayvon Martin” — not for George Zimmerman.

As many see it, her additional job is to prevent riots of the sort that followed the acquittal of the policemen who beat Rodney King.

Indeed, Mansfield Frazier, a columnist for the Daily Beast, has suggested that it is the responsibility of the legal system to “avert a large scale racial calamity.” He has urged Zimmerman’s defense lawyer to become a “savior” by brokering a deal to plead his client guilty to a crime that “has him back on the streets within this decade.”

But it is not the role of a defense lawyer to save the world or the country. His job — his only job — is to get the best result for his client, by all legal and ethical means.

Listen to the way a famous British barrister put it in 1820:

“An advocate, by the sacred duty which he owes his client, knows, in the discharge of that office, but one person in the world, that client and none other . . . Nay, separating even the duties of a patriot from those of an advocate, and casting them, if need be, to the wind, he must go on reckless of the consequences, if his fate it should unhappily be, to involve his country in confusion for his client’s protection.”

The prosecutor’s job is far broader: to do justice to the defendant as well as the alleged victim. As the Supreme Court has said: “The government wins . . . when justice is done.”

Zimmerman’s lawyer is doing his job. It’s about time for the prosecutor to start doing hers.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2885207/posts


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on May 18, 2012, 12:42:50 PM
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/video.html?clip=http://static.cfnews13.com/newsvideo/cfn/Trayvon-7-Eleven-0517.flv&vtitle=Trayvon%20Martin%20in%207-Eleven

Video of Martin at 7-11

WOW~ I just watched the video of the 7-11 visit and I don't care what race anyone is, wearing a hoodie and granted I have plenty but don't wear the hood up, and can't imagine why someone would inside but nevertheless, it totally does make identification an issue on surveilance...I can promise you I will be all over my sons NOT to ever wear a hoodie up because it hides what the facial features are and in part of the video I couldn't even see his face...trust me if someone was walking down my street in a hoodie in the rain, I'd watch and follow in my car and as I have said earlier I have done this (sans the hoodie issue) with white teens I thought were drunk and knew didn't live here, more for a worry about drowing as it happens all the time. I was also confused at the reason why he got the tea/skittles, had it put in the bag and then went back after he was headed for the exit.....after reading everything I am shocked this was charged as it was and IMO should be thrown out of court on the 2nd degree charge. It's purely political and shows how ppl bow down to the Pc'ness and pressure, and that is damn scary IMO. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Puzzler on May 18, 2012, 12:45:49 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trayvon-martin-autospy-report-indicates-struggle/2012/05/17/gIQAxw6HXU_story.html

Trayvon Martin documents reveal new details in shooting
Washington Post

Trayvon Martin autopsy indicates hand-
to-hand struggle with George Zimmerman


(snip)  Neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin from a very close range, according to documents a Florida prosecutor released Thursday that indicate a hand-to-hand struggle occurred before the teenager was killed.
A lab report, based on an examination of the two sweatshirts Martin was wearing, found holes and gunshot residue consistent with a “contact shot,” meaning the gun was pressed against Martin’s chest. An autopsy report said that the gunshot wound indicated he was shot from an “intermediate range,” which experts say is between one and 18 inches away.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on May 18, 2012, 12:56:52 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trayvon-martin-autospy-report-indicates-struggle/2012/05/17/gIQAxw6HXU_story.html

Trayvon Martin documents reveal new details in shooting
Washington Post

Trayvon Martin autopsy indicates hand-
to-hand struggle with George Zimmerman


(snip)  Neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin from a very close range, according to documents a Florida prosecutor released Thursday that indicate a hand-to-hand struggle occurred before the teenager was killed.
A lab report, based on an examination of the two sweatshirts Martin was wearing, found holes and gunshot residue consistent with a “contact shot,” meaning the gun was pressed against Martin’s chest. An autopsy report said that the gunshot wound indicated he was shot from an “intermediate range,” which experts say is between one and 18 inches away.

Weird that I saw NO injuries on GZ's hands and TM had no injuries except the knuckles that were scratched and the bullet wound.....if not for the gunshot, who got the beatdown? IMO, GZ did


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 18, 2012, 01:02:51 PM
Trayvon Martin's mother to speak at Baltimore mega-church Sunday
Empowerment Temple says Sybrina Fulton, friend of local pastor, will share 'how she's coping' with son's killing
 
 
10:00 p.m. EDT, May 17, 2012
The mother of slain Florida teenager Trayvon Martin will speak Sunday at a Baltimore mega-church about how she's coping with her son's death, according to the church's pastor.

Sybrina Fulton's appearance at Empowerment Temple Church in Northwest Baltimore will be her first in the city, and an opportunity for local parishioners to hear from "a mother who has grieved but still has strength," according to the Rev. Jamal-Harrison Bryant, who founded the 8,000-member church in 2000.

Martin, an African American 17-year-old, was shot in February in a gated community in Sanford, Fla., by Hispanic neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman. The killing has received nationwide media attention and has sparked protests and rallies in Baltimore and across the country. Martin was unarmed and wearing a hoodie at the time, and many have argued he was the victim of racial profiling.

Bryant arranged Fulton's visit himself, after having developed a relationship with Martin's family in the past three months.

Last month, Bryant stood on a Florida stage with the family after Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder.

"Many said we were rabble-rousers and outside agitators," Bryant said at the family news conference at the time. "We are here because injustice is here. We are going to stay on this case until all of the Trayvon Martins across America have their place in the halls of justice."

Fulton's message Sunday will be especially poignant for those who have lost their own loved ones to violence, Bryant said.

"We've encouraged people within our congregation, if they know someone who has suffered a similar loss, to come on Sunday," he said.

Bryant first aligned himself with Martin's family shortly after the teen's death, when he was called down to Sanford by local pastors there, he said.

Bryant had gotten to know those pastors between 1995 and 2000, when he served under Kweisi Mfume as the national youth director for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, he said.

The pastors asked for his help because they knew he had "the history and the organization" to handle an influx of media and a bright spotlight, Bryant said.

Once in Sanford, Bryant met Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Martin's family (who will also be at Empowerment Temple on Sunday), and Crump introduced him to Fulton and Martin's father, Tracy Martin.

Bryant began ministering the grieving parents as they started traveling around the country asking for justice for their son — from Sanford to bigger cities like Miami, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C.

"The more time we spent with each other the more we felt connected, and the more they said they had faith they could trust me," Bryant said. "We developed a legitimate friendship."

Bryant said he believed there was a new civil rights movement brewing — he's part of a coalition of African American clergy called the Empowerment Movement — to secure the safety, education and economic success of the nation's African American youth.

"We are moving the black church from the sidelines to the front lines to deal with relevant civil rights issues that affect the black community," he said.

He wants Fulton to speak to his congregation because her bravery in the face of her son's death is a powerful example of how to stand up to injustice, he said.

"Sybrina is going to serve as my generation's Rosa Parks, to really stand as a lamplight for the next movement in civil rights among the hip-hop generation," Bryant said.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-trayvon-martin-mother-20120517,0,5954721.story





Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2012, 01:38:14 PM
I think this is more than a bit of a reach.  JMHO  Once again, here is someone making this case into something for their own benefit.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Quote
"Sybrina is going to serve as my generation's Rosa Parks, to really stand as a lamplight for the next movement in civil rights among the hip-hop generation," Bryant said.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-trayvon-martin-mother-20120517,0,5954721.story




Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 18, 2012, 01:53:32 PM
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

George Zimmerman's lawyer: 'We have to deal with what did happen'
Last Updated: Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 12:57PM

 ::snipping2::
The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.
 
But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.
 
"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."
 ::snipping2::
According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.
 
Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 18, 2012, 04:12:43 PM
Could the mob have been wrong on Trayvon Martin?

The extent of Florida prosecutor Angela Corey’s gross indifference to the facts in the Trayvon Martin case is exceeded only by that of many in the press who agitated for George Zimmerman’s prosecution for murder. Alan Dershowitz explains the latest evidence, which causes him to conclude that Corey acted improperly:
 
A medical report by George Zimmerman’s doctor has disclosed that Zimmerman had a fractured nose, two black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head and a back injury on the day after the fatal shooting. If this evidence turns out to be valid, the prosecutor will have no choice but to drop the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman — if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally.
 
There is, of course, no assurance that the special prosecutor handling the case, State Attorney Angela Corey, will do the right thing. Because until now, her actions have been anything but ethical, lawful and professional.
 
She was aware when she submitted an affidavit that it did not contain the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. She deliberately withheld evidence that supported Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense.

Dershowitz concludes that under the “beyond the reasonable doubt” standard Corey doesn’t have the grounds for a conviction.

The evidence now seems entirely inconsistent with a murder charge. “Now there is much more extensive medical evidence that would tend to support Zimmerman’s version of events. This version, if true, would establish self-defense even if Zimmerman had improperly followed, harassed and provoked Martin. . . . Thus, if Zimmerman verbally provoked Martin, but Martin then got on top of Zimmerman and banged his head into the ground, broke his nose, bloodied his eyes and persisted in attacking Zimmerman — and if Zimmerman couldn’t protect himself from further attack except by shooting Martin — he would have the right to do that [under Florida law]. (The prosecution has already admitted that it has no evidence that Zimmerman started the actual fight.)”
 
His continued prosecution looks more and more like mob justice, cheered on by hecklers in the media who didn’t much care to find out the facts before rallying the public to equate failure to charge Zimmerman with racism. Will they urge that “real” justice be done, that the rule of law be upheld if the evidence undermines their premature conclusions about a case in which they had a tiny portion of the facts on which to holler for Zimmerman’s prosecution?   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/could-the-mob-have-been-wrong-on-trayvon-martin/2012/05/18/gIQAiQV1YU_blog.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2012, 04:26:08 PM
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/05/18/new-trayvon-martin-evidence-10-things-you-should-know/
New Trayvon Martin Evidence: 10 Things You Should Know
The most relevant new pieces of information in the trial of George Zimmerman from the the Florida special prosecutor's new 183-page report.
May 18, 2012



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on May 18, 2012, 04:31:31 PM
I think this is more than a bit of a reach.  JMHO  Once again, here is someone making this case into something for their own benefit.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Quote
"Sybrina is going to serve as my generation's Rosa Parks, to really stand as a lamplight for the next movement in civil rights among the hip-hop generation," Bryant said.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-trayvon-martin-mother-20120517,0,5954721.story




Oh dear Lord...there is no comparison to what Rosa Parks stood up for...she protested quietly and peacefully and did not instigate nor encourage riots, violence, and such.  She also did not hold her hand out for money.  I feel for Trayvon's mother in the sense that she lost her son...but not in any way because her civil rights were violated...because they simply were not.  She should not be put up on a pedestal...or marked in the history books...for if she is...then America is taking away from the true civil rights activists. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2012, 04:33:31 PM
I've been told by LE it's important to record events (whether writing them down or making an audio/video tape etc.) as soon as possible after an event such as a vehicle accident or witnessing something like this man did.  As time passes, details can be forgotten, the incident may be discussed and bit by bit, what you believe you saw may change, etc. 


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-18/news/os-trayvon-martin-evidence-witness6-20120518_1_key-witness-ground-dog-fight
Key witness in Trayvon Martin shooting: I'm no longer sure Zimmerman was crying for help
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
May 18, 2012

One of the most important eye-witnesses to the Trayvon Martin shooting, a neighbor who told police Trayvon was straddling George Zimmerman, pinning him to the ground, changed his story once prosecutors took control of the case.

The man, identified in prosecution documents as "Witness 6," originally said Zimmerman was the person screaming for help as he fought with the unarmed 17-year-old from Miami Gardens.

But a few weeks later, on March 20, while sitting for a follow-up interview by a Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigator the witness said he was no longer sure who was calling for help.

"At first, I thought it was the person on the ground, just because, you know, me thinking rationally, if someone was on top, the person on the bottom would be yelling," he said.

Now, though, he said, "I truly can't tell who, after thinking about it, was yelling for help just because it was so dark out on that sidewalk. You can't see a mouth …"

The witness did not, however, change his account that Trayvon was the one on top as he and Zimmerman fought. He identified both combatants by skin color and by the color of their clothes, although he described Zimmerman's orange jacket as red, and Trayvon's dark gray hoodie as black.

"The black guy was on top," he told FDLE Investigator John Batchelor. "The guy that was on the ground, under him at that point, wrestling, was definitely a lighter color."

It was dark outside, he said, and at first, he thought he was witnessing a dog fight. When he stepped to the door, he realized it was two people on the ground wrestling.

The person on top was either hitting or pinning the other to the ground, he said. The person on the bottom was struggling to get up.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 18, 2012, 04:37:19 PM
I saw the last video of Trayvon briefly. What I noticed was how big he looked! Not like the little fresh faced little kid that we were shown initially when this all came out.

One thing that I really think is not right if I am correct, is that Trayvon was given blood test for drugs when he was the dead person, but GZ who shot Trayvon was not tested. Seems a bit unfair to me. GZ could have had drugs in his system and we will never know. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why he did not consent to going to the hospital that evening for his injuries? Dunno....


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 18, 2012, 04:39:06 PM
I think this is more than a bit of a reach.  JMHO  Once again, here is someone making this case into something for their own benefit.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Quote
"Sybrina is going to serve as my generation's Rosa Parks, to really stand as a lamplight for the next movement in civil rights among the hip-hop generation," Bryant said.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-trayvon-martin-mother-20120517,0,5954721.story




Oh dear Lord...there is no comparison to what Rosa Parks stood up for...she protested quietly and peacefully and did not instigate nor encourage riots, violence, and such.  She also did not hold her hand out for money.  I feel for Trayvon's mother in the sense that she lost her son...but not in any way because her civil rights were violated...because they simply were not.  She should not be put up on a pedestal...or marked in the history books...for if she is...then America is taking away from the true civil rights activists. 

Well said! Totally agree.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on May 18, 2012, 04:50:31 PM
I saw the last video of Trayvon briefly. What I noticed was how big he looked! Not like the little fresh faced little kid that we were shown initially when this all came out.

One thing that I really think is not right if I am correct, is that Trayvon was given blood test for drugs when he was the dead person, but GZ who shot Trayvon was not tested. Seems a bit unfair to me. GZ could have had drugs in his system and we will never know. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why he did not consent to going to the hospital that evening for his injuries? Dunno....

That's true...good point.  I wonder why he wasn't tested?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2012, 04:52:32 PM
I saw the last video of Trayvon briefly. What I noticed was how big he looked! Not like the little fresh faced little kid that we were shown initially when this all came out.

One thing that I really think is not right if I am correct, is that Trayvon was given blood test for drugs when he was the dead person, but GZ who shot Trayvon was not tested. Seems a bit unfair to me. GZ could have had drugs in his system and we will never know. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why he did not consent to going to the hospital that evening for his injuries? Dunno....

BBM

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0516/Report-Trayvon-Martin-beat-bloodied-George-Zimmerman.-Game-changer
 ::snipping2::
Initial reports of the fight, accompanied by pictures of Martin as a baby-faced 14-year-old, created the perception of an unbalanced fight between a gun-carrier adult and a young teen. But at the time of the fight, Martin stood at 6 feet 3 inches and 150 pounds, towering over, but not outweighing, Zimmerman, who is 5-foot-8, and 185 pounds. Zimmerman told the court on April 27 that he thought Martin was an adult and said he didn’t know if he was armed or not.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 18, 2012, 05:07:49 PM
Dershowitz: No Jury Would Convict Zimmerman Of Murder Unless Afraid ‘Black Panthers Might Kill Them’

On Friday, legal scholar and criminal defense attorney Alan Dershowitz joined journalist and author Bernie Goldberg on Fox News Channel’s America Live with Megyn Kelly to discuss the ongoing trial of George Zimmerman for the murder of Florida teen Trayvon Martin. Dershowitz and Goldberg said that the New York Times and Florida prosecutor Angela Cory had irresponsibly furthered a narrative of Zimmerman’s guilt when it appears that he acted in a manner consistent with self-defense.

Dershowitz, who had previously been highly critical of the decision to indict Zimmerman for second degree murder, doubled down on his criticism and included some media organizations for hyping the case.

Dershowitz said that Cory, who handed down the Zimmerman indictment without the input of a grand jury, “raised expectations by politically indicting Zimmerman for second degree murder when there was never any basis.”

He went on to say that the media has largely changed their tune on the facts of the case, with the notable exception of the New York Times.

The New York Times still reports as if the evidence is overwhelming that Zimmerman is guilty. Indeed, they end a story in today’s newspaper shockingly by quoting an unnamed source that made a phone call to police alleging that Zimmerman may have some racist tendencies. That violates the Times own policy about sourcing. They would never have written such a statement about an un-sourced allegation by an unnamed person regarding Trayvon Martin. The Times has a position on this case, and it allows that position to influence its reporting.

Kelly asked Goldberg why the media was so invested in Zimmerman’s guilt. Goldberg said that the storyline fit neatly into a “liberal media” narrative of persistent white racism against African Americans. He said that a number of individuals employed irresponsible hyperbole when discussing the details of this case before it went to trial.

There was the black Congresswoman from Florida who said Trayvon was ‘hunted down like a rabid dog.’ There was the white Congresswoman from Illinois who said his death was a ‘modern day lynching.’ There was the black Congressman from Georgia who said he was ‘executed’ – executed – because he was ‘walking while black’ in a gated community. Then there was the New York Times that gave valuable op-ed space to an author who said Trayvon Martin was ‘shot dead in cold blood.’   ::snipping2::

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2885427/posts


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2012, 05:08:03 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/05/16/what-zimmerman-martin-medical-reports-tell-us-and-media-didnt/
What Zimmerman, Martin medical reports tell us and the media didn't
By John Lott
May 16, 2012

Video at Link


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on May 18, 2012, 05:12:00 PM
I saw the last video of Trayvon briefly. What I noticed was how big he looked! Not like the little fresh faced little kid that we were shown initially when this all came out.

One thing that I really think is not right if I am correct, is that Trayvon was given blood test for drugs when he was the dead person, but GZ who shot Trayvon was not tested. Seems a bit unfair to me. GZ could have had drugs in his system and we will never know. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why he did not consent to going to the hospital that evening for his injuries? Dunno....

BBM

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0516/Report-Trayvon-Martin-beat-bloodied-George-Zimmerman.-Game-changer
 ::snipping2::
Initial reports of the fight, accompanied by pictures of Martin as a baby-faced 14-year-old, created the perception of an unbalanced fight between a gun-carrier adult and a young teen. But at the time of the fight, Martin stood at 6 feet 3 inches and 150 pounds, towering over, but not outweighing, Zimmerman, who is 5-foot-8, and 185 pounds. Zimmerman told the court on April 27 that he thought Martin was an adult and said he didn’t know if he was armed or not.
 ::snipping2::

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Dispatcher:  How old would you say he looks?

Zimmerman:  He's got button on his shirt.  Late teens.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on May 18, 2012, 05:19:34 PM
I saw the last video of Trayvon briefly. What I noticed was how big he looked! Not like the little fresh faced little kid that we were shown initially when this all came out.

One thing that I really think is not right if I am correct, is that Trayvon was given blood test for drugs when he was the dead person, but GZ who shot Trayvon was not tested. Seems a bit unfair to me. GZ could have had drugs in his system and we will never know. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why he did not consent to going to the hospital that evening for his injuries? Dunno....

BBM

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0516/Report-Trayvon-Martin-beat-bloodied-George-Zimmerman.-Game-changer
 ::snipping2::
Initial reports of the fight, accompanied by pictures of Martin as a baby-faced 14-year-old, created the perception of an unbalanced fight between a gun-carrier adult and a young teen. But at the time of the fight, Martin stood at 6 feet 3 inches and 150 pounds, towering over, but not outweighing, Zimmerman, who is 5-foot-8, and 185 pounds. Zimmerman told the court on April 27 that he thought Martin was an adult and said he didn’t know if he was armed or not.
 ::snipping2::

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Dispatcher:  How old would you say he looks?

Zimmerman:  He's got button on his shirt.  Late teens.

So late teens is 18...19...= adult?  I was in the Army at 17 and considered an adult.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on May 18, 2012, 05:22:22 PM
I saw the last video of Trayvon briefly. What I noticed was how big he looked! Not like the little fresh faced little kid that we were shown initially when this all came out.

One thing that I really think is not right if I am correct, is that Trayvon was given blood test for drugs when he was the dead person, but GZ who shot Trayvon was not tested. Seems a bit unfair to me. GZ could have had drugs in his system and we will never know. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why he did not consent to going to the hospital that evening for his injuries? Dunno....

BBM

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0516/Report-Trayvon-Martin-beat-bloodied-George-Zimmerman.-Game-changer
 ::snipping2::
Initial reports of the fight, accompanied by pictures of Martin as a baby-faced 14-year-old, created the perception of an unbalanced fight between a gun-carrier adult and a young teen. But at the time of the fight, Martin stood at 6 feet 3 inches and 150 pounds, towering over, but not outweighing, Zimmerman, who is 5-foot-8, and 185 pounds. Zimmerman told the court on April 27 that he thought Martin was an adult and said he didn’t know if he was armed or not.
 ::snipping2::

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Dispatcher:  How old would you say he looks?

Zimmerman:  He's got button on his shirt.  Late teens.

So late teens is 18...19...= adult?  I was in the Army at 17 and considered an adult.

I reread this and it makes it sound like I am being rude...ha...I am asking if this is what he thought (or he considered an adult).  Sorry about that.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on May 18, 2012, 05:24:09 PM
Not to me.  IMO late teens is before you become an adult.  The fact is Zimmerman did have an idea of the age of the person he was targeting.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on May 18, 2012, 05:24:54 PM
I'm not overly sensitive, darlin'.  It's all good!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on May 18, 2012, 05:26:12 PM
I'm not overly sensitive, darlin'.  It's all good!   ::MonkeyWink::

Well, that's good.  I'm overly considerate though!  :)


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 18, 2012, 05:29:42 PM
Zimmerman Attorney: 'My Greatest Concern Is ... This Case Has Already Been Tried' In Media And Public

Video at link.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/05/18/Zimmerman-Attorney-Wait-Until-All-The-Evidence-Is-Out


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2012, 05:30:26 PM
Is this the Trayvon Martin (except with hoodie on and in the dark) that George Zimmerman saw or was it this Trayvon Martin?  They are both Trayvon Martin of course.  But the second photo is a much younger Trayvon Martin, and the one that has been in the news so much.  Keep in mind, at the time of the shooting Trayvon was 6 ft. 3 in. and weighed 150 pounds.  Look again at the store video.  I'm not saying this is a reason for Trayvon to be shot.  Not at all!!  The point I'm trying to make is, it could have been difficult to ascertain Trayvon's age at the time of the shooting, under the circumstances.  I'm not really good with estimating ages.  Young folks these days (both boys and girls) look a lot older to me than their true age most of the time.  JMHO


(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s416/mebizzybee/TrayvonMartin17_20120328160116_640_.jpg)
Trayvon Martin (myfox.com)

(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s416/mebizzybee/abc_trayvon_martin_nt_120313_wg.jpg)


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on May 18, 2012, 05:36:07 PM
I'm not overly sensitive, darlin'.  It's all good!   ::MonkeyWink::

Well, that's good.  I'm overly considerate though!  :)

 ::MonkeyAngel::

You're perfectly considerate.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 18, 2012, 05:43:43 PM
In an otherwise unremarkable and inconclusive New York Times report on the latest released findings in the Trayvon Martin shooting incident, the liberal rag decides to drop an unverified, practically un-sourced bomb on George Zimmerman.
 

When police officers arrived on the scene of the shooting of Trayvon Martin on the rainy night of Feb. 26, they tried frantically to revive the 17-year-old, who had been shot in the chest and was lying motionless behind a row of town houses in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.
 
Authors Serge F. Kovaleski and Campell Robertson conclude a rambling "he said, she said" nothingburger with this:
 

The reports may give rise to other mysteries as well, including the identity of a woman who called another investigator, less than two full days after the shooting.
 
The woman refused to identify herself or give any callback numbers, but told the investigator that Mr. Zimmerman “has racist ideologies and that he is fully capable of instigating a confrontation that could have escalated to the point of Zimmerman having to use deadly force.”
 
The police were never able to track her down.
 
Anyone can pick up a phone and say anything to the police, as this apparent non-person did. It's nothing more than an un-sourced quote lacking corroboration, let alone substantiation. Why put it out there? If there were anything to it, why didn't the two reporters here do some legwork so that they might offer some substance to back up such an incendiary claim?   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/18/NYT-s-Reckless-Despicable-Attack-On-George-Zimmerman


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on May 18, 2012, 06:02:15 PM
Hi MuffyBee!  In his own words George states Trayvon is in his late teens.  Whether or not he was babyfaced has no baring, in my feeble mind at least. 

Zimmerman, who is medicated with anti-anxiety medication, was so frustrated that he had called police four times in the prior nine months about a suspicious black male in his neighborhood and each time the police arrived too late to question them so this time he was not about to let the suspicious black teen get away before police got there.

One thing led to another and Trayvon is dead.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm probably biased a little because my sons best friend is the cutest black boy with an afro who also happens to wear a hoodie.  This kid tests in the top of his class and comes from a good family.  I would be devastated if he were shot because someone mistook him as suspicious and/or dangerous.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 18, 2012, 06:13:09 PM
Time Magazine: New Trayvon Martin Evidence: 10 Things You Should Know (Zimmerman's Guilty)



The most relevant new pieces of information in the trial of George Zimmerman from the the Florida special prosecutor's new 183-page report.



The trove of evidence released by Florida special prosecutor Angela Corey seems to shed more light on the case of the death of Trayvon Martin, but makes it more complicated as well.

The document released Wednesday by Corey’s office stretches 183 pages in length and contains several police reports, handwritten witness statements, descriptions of the crime scene, records of evidence taken and even a community newsletter from the Retreat at Twin Lakes, the Sanford, Fla., gated community where the fatal shooting took place.

A close read through the records reveal a few new pieces of the puzzle. Here’s what stands out:


1.New Video of Trayvon Martin before the incident doesn’t show any aggressive behavior.


2.George Zimmerman’s injuries appear consistent with his claims to police.


3.Martin was shot at close range.


4.There are so far no witnesses to the beginning of the confrontation.


5.One witness said the fight had ended by the time the shot rang out.


6.George Zimmerman may have been profiling black males.


7.George Zimmerman was accused of having racist views.


8.Trayvon Martin had traces of THC in his blood.


9.Trayvon Martin may have been running from Zimmerman at first.


10.The lead investigator felt that there was enough evidence, based on what he saw, to charge Zimmerman.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2885432/posts


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 18, 2012, 06:36:08 PM
Witness: Trayvon Martin Attacked George Zimmerman 'MMA Style'

Trayvon Martin’s real actions prior to being shot are finally being revealed. According to Sanford Police Department reports released today, a witness interviewed 90 minutes after the shooting testified that he saw Martin straddling George Zimmerman on the ground and violently battering him “MMA” style before Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest.

The witness said he was inside his home, about 30 feet away from the incident, when he heard a “commotion coming from the walkway” behind his residence. He said he had seen a “a black male, wearing a dark colored ‘hoodie’ on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help.” The black male “was mounted on the white or Hispanic male and throwing punches ‘MMA (mixed martial arts) style.’” The witness said he called out that he was dialing 911, then heard a pop and saw the black male “laid out on the grass.”
 
The witness’s account jibes with the physical evidence gleaned from Zimmerman’s appearance when the police arrived; Officer Timothy Smith reported that Zimmerman was “bleeding from the nose and back of his head,” and Officer Jonathan Mead noted that he “appeared to have a broken and bloody nose and swelling of his face.” In addition, medical reports from Altamonte Medical Practice stated that Zimmerman had an “open wound of scalp” and “Nasal bones, closed fracture.”
 
Zimmerman’s story is holding water. The mainstream media’s story – aided and abetted by the Obama administration – is falling apart. This is quickly turning into Duke Lacrosse II.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/18/Trayvon-MMA-style-attack


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2012, 06:41:40 PM
Hi MuffyBee!  In his own words George states Trayvon is in his late teens.  Whether or not he was babyfaced has no baring, in my feeble mind at least. 

Zimmerman, who is medicated with anti-anxiety medication, was so frustrated that he had called police four times in the prior nine months about a suspicious black male in his neighborhood and each time the police arrived too late to question them so this time he was not about to let the suspicious black teen get away before police got there.

One thing led to another and Trayvon is dead.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm probably biased a little because my sons best friend is the cutest black boy with an afro who also happens to wear a hoodie.  This kid tests in the top of his class and comes from a good family.  I would be devastated if he were shot because someone mistook him as suspicious and/or dangerous.


I don't think we have enough information at this time in regard to the case.  I read George Zimmerman had two prescriptions, but I haven't seen any medical or psychiatric reports to know his true state. I know some folks that take anti-anxiety meds and they have families, jobs and etc., and I wouldn't want someone to judge them to be dangerous just because they take the medication.  Each case would be different, imo. I have also read there were break ins and thefts in the community, with George having had a bicycle stolen. Below is an article regarding some of the crime in the neighborhood. I don't necessarily believe the crime in the neighbor hood should have resulted in Trayvon's death, but I do think it should be shown there had been problems with crime, and they weren't just in George Zimmerman' mind.  I would like to know the facts in the case.  I wouldn't want to see a young man shot down, no matter what the color of his skin especially if he was innocently going about his business.  And at the same time, I wouldn't want to see a man jailed if he was defending himself because he felt threatened.  I think there is a lot more that we need to know about the case.  And I agree with you Amy's Sister, I wouldn't want a young man shot because someone mistakenly thought he was dangerous. 

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/25/11396690-george-zimmerman-prelude-to-the-shooting-of-trayvon-martin?lite

. Yet in a series of interviews, Twin Lakes residents said dozens of reports of attempted break-ins and would-be burglars casing homes had created an atmosphere of growing fear in the neighborhood.

In several of the incidents, witnesses identified the suspects to police as young black men. Twin Lakes is about 50 percent white, with an African-American and Hispanic population of about 20 percent each, roughly similar to the surrounding city of Sanford, according to U.S. Census data.

One morning in July 2011, a black teenager walked up to Zimmerman's front porch and stole a bicycle, neighbors told Reuters. A police report was taken, though the bicycle was not recovered.

But it was the August incursion into the home of Olivia Bertalan that really troubled the neighborhood, particularly Zimmerman. Shellie was home most days, taking online courses toward certification as a registered nurse.

On Aug. 3, Bertalan was at home with her infant son while her husband, Michael, was at work. She watched from a downstairs window, she said, as two black men repeatedly rang her doorbell and then entered through a sliding door at the back of the house. She ran upstairs, locked herself inside the boy's bedroom, and called a police dispatcher, whispering frantically.

"I said, 'What am I supposed to do? I hear them coming up the stairs!'" she told Reuters. Bertalan tried to coo her crying child into silence and armed herself with a pair of rusty scissors.

Police arrived just as the burglars -- who had been trying to disconnect the couple's television -- fled out a back door. Shellie Zimmerman saw a black male teen running through her backyard and reported it to police.

After police left Bertalan, George Zimmerman arrived at the front door in a shirt and tie, she said. He gave her his contact numbers on an index card and invited her to visit his wife if she ever felt unsafe. He returned later and gave her a stronger lock to bolster the sliding door that had been forced open.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2012, 06:52:07 PM
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: theboyzmom on May 18, 2012, 06:53:19 PM
I just finished reading the autopsy and three things stuck out at me (MOO) -

1: He was a 17 year old with TWO tattoos If he got them legally, his parents had to go with him - unless he is over 18. That makes me wonder - I know I would not let my kids get a tat before 18 even though I have one.

2. There was gunpowder residue in a small area (2 by 2) - this means that the gun was probably only 2 feet from him according the the ER doc I worked with.

3. TM had fatty liver. This is generally caused by alcohol use. There are other causes, but by far the most common is abuse of ETOH. We know this kid was a bit troubled (since he got kicked out of school).  The results of the liver pathology suggests that he likes to party.

These are MOO.

Additionally, the fact that TM was tested for drugs is SOP for deaths - even the old lady that dies in her bed gets a full tox screen routinely. I have no problem with GZ. The police were with him and they can usually tell abnormal behavior especially caused by drugs a mile away. If LEO had any cause to think that GZ was high or drunk, they would have tested him. Clearly, the police did not find it to be an issue.

Take my thoughts with a grain of salt, I base them only on my 10 years working in an inner city ER with great trauma guys (we actually named the drive the stop and drop because the bangers would pull through, shove the guy that was shot out and keep going) and 8 years reading autopsy as a medical malpractice paralegal and learning from experts. I have no formal training in the interpretation of the results and am not a doctor but I did stay at a holiday inn express last night!!! LOL


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Blonde on May 18, 2012, 07:33:26 PM

Eyewitness to the Trayvon Martin shooting speaks out

Exclusively on AC360, a key witness to the Trayvon Martin shooting says police turned away what could have been important information about the case.


It's been almost six weeks since George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin fatefully crossed paths, yet we still don't know with absolute certainty what happened that night. What caused the scuffle in the first place? Did Martin confront and attack Zimmerman, and pose a mortal threat? Or did Zimmerman act with unprovoked lethal aggression? There are plenty of conflicting claims, and very few incontestable truths. ::snipping2::

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/video-eyewitness-to-the-trayvon-martin-shooting-speaks-out/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on May 18, 2012, 08:20:06 PM
Here is a study that shows 13% of all children have fatty liver.  Of those, only 38% are obese.  There are several causes of fatty liver and in children alcohol consumption is not considered to be a cause.  High cholesterol and triglycerides is a cause so it is more likely diet was a factor with Trayvon.  (thin people can have high cholesterol and Trayvon was considerably thin for his height)  I'm not saying Trayvon didn't drink but it is unfounded at this point and would be surprising to me if that was a cause for his fatty liver. 

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/118/4/1388.full.pdf

I also know people on anti anxiety medication and when they are not taking their medication they can be intense and take action without thinking things all the way through.  Muffy is right, though, we don't know why GZ was prescribed the pills.

Yes, there were breakins in the neighborhood but GZ had three past examples of being considered a threat... a friend of his had a protective order against him, he was fired for being too aggressive from a prior employer, and he was charged with attacking a police officer.  I believe he was overzealous in his actions against Trayvon.  I believe he, George Zimmerman, was the aggressor and when Trayvon enacted the 'Stand Your Ground Law' to protect himself GZ then murdered him and is now trying to claim he was the victim. 





Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cadillac on May 18, 2012, 08:43:20 PM
I have several thoughts here...

THC can stay in your blood stream for quite a time.  I know this personally as I have seen the  results of drug testing.  (I have no idea when TM smoked the MJ but I do know that just because it shows in a drug test that does not provide conclusive proof that the person is high at that point).

I do not approve of some of the ways that the Martin family has handled this event - or maybe I should say the way they are portrayed in the media and with the black civil rights leaders.  BUT, if my son went out for Skittles and this happened, I would be on the warpath also.  TM did not go looking for trouble that night.  Maybe he had been in trouble before, but not that night.

GZ had no right to follow him, and confront him.  Now if GZ was in his home, or on his balcony and then felt threatened, I see reason to persue protecting himself.  But to follow him around?  Even LE told him to back off.

Maybe TM was standing his ground when he was pummeling GZ on the ground? 

JMO but I think GZ was so paranoid about the break ins in his complex that he was unrealistically reacting.

I also think that neighborhood Watch purpose is to "watch" and call authorities.

GZ did not do that. did he?



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on May 18, 2012, 09:07:01 PM
In an otherwise unremarkable and inconclusive New York Times report on the latest released findings in the Trayvon Martin shooting incident, the liberal rag decides to drop an unverified, practically un-sourced bomb on George Zimmerman.
 

When police officers arrived on the scene of the shooting of Trayvon Martin on the rainy night of Feb. 26, they tried frantically to revive the 17-year-old, who had been shot in the chest and was lying motionless behind a row of town houses in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.
 
Authors Serge F. Kovaleski and Campell Robertson conclude a rambling "he said, she said" nothingburger with this:
 

The reports may give rise to other mysteries as well, including the identity of a woman who called another investigator, less than two full days after the shooting.
 
The woman refused to identify herself or give any callback numbers, but told the investigator that Mr. Zimmerman “has racist ideologies and that he is fully capable of instigating a confrontation that could have escalated to the point of Zimmerman having to use deadly force.”
 
The police were never able to track her down.
 
Anyone can pick up a phone and say anything to the police, as this apparent non-person did. It's nothing more than an un-sourced quote lacking corroboration, let alone substantiation. Why put it out there? If there were anything to it, why didn't the two reporters here do some legwork so that they might offer some substance to back up such an incendiary claim?   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/18/NYT-s-Reckless-Despicable-Attack-On-George-Zimmerman

That is more absurd reporting IMO, hell anyone could get a track phone and call and tell LE that Trayvon was  _____fill in the blank with whatever sounds the most damning, and wrt the profiling, well I call BS on that too, remember the black older woman neighbor who told reporters that she said "“Let’s talk about the elephant in the room. I’m black, OK?” the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. “There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood,” she said. “That’s why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin.”.........yes, that is the elephant in the room and a tragedy turned into a witch hunt with the help of a man with the blood of 8 victims that are dead in their grave from racial incitement and a liberal media that jumped on a false narrative.

So, how many have been beat innocently from this one tragedy at this point around the country so far ? If GZ is not convicted of 2nd degree murder which IMO is way overcharged by Corey who prosecuted a woman who fired a shot that hit no one out of fear to 20 yrs in prison and basically has set a tone that IMO will lead to riots, and more victims if the outcome is not favorable to those hell bent on this GZ is a racist pig who executed a child narrative. I am thinking Watts on steroids but pray I am wrong.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2012, 09:26:15 PM
Unfortunately, it's a very common misconception, and this lady doesn't sound like she has much experience handling firearms.  Shooting schools teach if you are in fear for your life and need to defend yourself, you draw your firearm and you aim for mass.  They don't teach shooting at arms and legs.  You may only get one shot. 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-witness-believes-intended-kid-die/story?id=16380864
Trayvon Martin Witness Believes 'He Intended for This Kid to Die'
May 18, 2012

 ::snipping2::
The woman told police that Zimmerman, 28, examined Martin's body as he slowly paced back and forth when the police arrived. She watched as they checked the teen's body and turned him over, eventually starting CPR. But he was already dead for five or 10 minutes, she said.

"I do honestly feel that he intended for this kid to die," witness 5 told investigators. "If you're in self defense, shoot him in the leg. He's a 17-year-old, scrawny little kid. You get into a physical fight with him. ... I think the kid was running for help."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: theboyzmom on May 18, 2012, 09:32:17 PM
Here is a study that shows 13% of all children have fatty liver.  Of those, only 38% are obese.  There are several causes of fatty liver and in children alcohol consumption is not considered to be a cause.  High cholesterol and triglycerides is a cause so it is more likely diet was a factor with Trayvon.  (thin people can have high cholesterol and Trayvon was considerably thin for his height)  I'm not saying Trayvon didn't drink but it is unfounded at this point and would be surprising to me if that was a cause for his fatty liver. 

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/118/4/1388.full.pdf

I also know people on anti anxiety medication and when they are not taking their medication they can be intense and take action without thinking things all the way through.  Muffy is right, though, we don't know why GZ was prescribed the pills.

Yes, there were breakins in the neighborhood but GZ had three past examples of being considered a threat... a friend of his had a protective order against him, he was fired for being too aggressive from a prior employer, and he was charged with attacking a police officer.  I believe he was overzealous in his actions against Trayvon.  I believe he, George Zimmerman, was the aggressor and when Trayvon enacted the 'Stand Your Ground Law' to protect himself GZ then murdered him and is now trying to claim he was the victim. 





While I have read that study, the majority of those children were overweight and the prevalence of the disease in African American youth is almost non existent (according to the study you cited it is 1.5 percent). I do not know if TM was a drinker, but I do know that a good majority of young people I deal with do not start with MJ but start with booze. I do not know if TM was one of them. I do know that the facts in this case show he was a strong young man. I do know that GZ may have had no reason to follow TM except that crime in that area was increasing. This crime included eight burglaries, nine thefts, dozens of break-ins (at least one with a woman and infant upstairs) and one shooting. It is my understanding several of these crimes were committed by black males. Zimmerman had every right to walk the sidewalks, he even had the right to follow TM. TM made the choice, instead of going to his dad's apartment which is where he was heading, to confront GZ. When he confronted GZ with violence, GZ had the right to defend himself.

I know that GZ in not Lilly white but he was doing something to help his community. Was TM?  TM was kicked out of school for drugs. He was suspended multiple times. Possession of burglary tools and large amounts of women's jewelry are a couple of the incidents.  Imagine being the woman home with her child when someone breaks in. We do not know that TM did not have something to do with the break-in - neither did GZ.  We have been told he was going to the store and was coming back. He did have skittles and tea - but we do not know if that was a cover story or not.  All GZ knew is that he felt like the first line of protection against what could be a bad guy. He did not chase TM down and attack him - he did not shoot TM from a distance. The evidence seems to show that TM physically attacked GZ. That changed the game. I have felt that fear - I know that all I wanted was to get the bad guy that was threatening me to stop. If it had become physical or I felt AT THAT MOMENT that my life was in danger, I would not have hesitated to use deadly force.

I know that my opinion is not popular but it is what I feel. I work and shop in an area where people get attacked by others frequently. One of our employees was mugged and beaten at a walmart two days ago. If her husband had not been there to intervene who knows where her and her child would have been. One of my favorite quotes is that all that evil needs is for good people to do nothing. I do not know if GZ is a good guy, but he is not an evil person either.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on May 18, 2012, 09:32:19 PM
Fear of riots should not prevent justice from being served in this case.  Let it go to court and let the chips fall where they may.  Also, I just don't hear many people calling Zimmerman a racist pig.  He's been accused of profiling but the term racist has been used by very few people from what I have read.

The question is, was profiling fair in this case?  Is it ever fair?  I would argue that it is acceptable under certain circumstances, this being one of them.  In the act of profiling, does that then make it okay to leave your vehicle while armed to confront someone because of your frustration that they will get away before the police arrive?

No it does not.  Had GZ allowed the police to do their job an innocent Trayvon would be alive and this would never have happened.  GZ was not in fear of his life or he would never have left his truck and it was that pivotal decision that led to a deceased Trayvon Martin and made GZ the aggressor. 

In regards to Trayvon's blood tests, knowing what I know about teenagers, the fact that he only had trace amounts of marijuana in his system (trace amounts indicates he rarely smokes weed) actually speaks to him being a pretty good kid.  Here in our low crime rural town I can tell you a lot of kids would have more than trace amounts in their system and probably beer, too, from the house party they may have attended.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: theboyzmom on May 18, 2012, 09:34:17 PM
Unfortunately, it's a very common misconception, and this lady doesn't sound like she has much experience handling firearms.  Shooting schools teach if you are in fear for your life and need to defend yourself, you draw your firearm and you aim for mass.  They don't teach shooting at arms and legs.  You may only get one shot. 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-witness-believes-intended-kid-die/story?id=16380864
Trayvon Martin Witness Believes 'He Intended for This Kid to Die'
May 18, 2012

 ::snipping2::
The woman told police that Zimmerman, 28, examined Martin's body as he slowly paced back and forth when the police arrived. She watched as they checked the teen's body and turned him over, eventually starting CPR. But he was already dead for five or 10 minutes, she said.

"I do honestly feel that he intended for this kid to die," witness 5 told investigators. "If you're in self defense, shoot him in the leg. He's a 17-year-old, scrawny little kid. You get into a physical fight with him. ... I think the kid was running for help."
 ::snipping2::

Muffy I agree with you. My shooting teacher and friends that are LEO have told me go for the center of mass. I do not think that people realize how hard it is to shoot a leg or arm. We see it on TV but it is not reality. My one friend was a sniper for the Marines and he said if confronted he would shoot for center of mass.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: theboyzmom on May 18, 2012, 09:36:05 PM
In an otherwise unremarkable and inconclusive New York Times report on the latest released findings in the Trayvon Martin shooting incident, the liberal rag decides to drop an unverified, practically un-sourced bomb on George Zimmerman.
 

When police officers arrived on the scene of the shooting of Trayvon Martin on the rainy night of Feb. 26, they tried frantically to revive the 17-year-old, who had been shot in the chest and was lying motionless behind a row of town houses in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.
 
Authors Serge F. Kovaleski and Campell Robertson conclude a rambling "he said, she said" nothingburger with this:
 

The reports may give rise to other mysteries as well, including the identity of a woman who called another investigator, less than two full days after the shooting.
 
The woman refused to identify herself or give any callback numbers, but told the investigator that Mr. Zimmerman “has racist ideologies and that he is fully capable of instigating a confrontation that could have escalated to the point of Zimmerman having to use deadly force.”
 
The police were never able to track her down.
 
Anyone can pick up a phone and say anything to the police, as this apparent non-person did. It's nothing more than an un-sourced quote lacking corroboration, let alone substantiation. Why put it out there? If there were anything to it, why didn't the two reporters here do some legwork so that they might offer some substance to back up such an incendiary claim?   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/18/NYT-s-Reckless-Despicable-Attack-On-George-Zimmerman

That is more absurd reporting IMO, hell anyone could get a track phone and call and tell LE that Trayvon was  _____fill in the blank with whatever sounds the most damning, and wrt the profiling, well I call BS on that too, remember the black older woman neighbor who told reporters that she said "“Let’s talk about the elephant in the room. I’m black, OK?” the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. “There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood,” she said. “That’s why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin.”.........yes, that is the elephant in the room and a tragedy turned into a witch hunt with the help of a man with the blood of 8 victims that are dead in their grave from racial incitement and a liberal media that jumped on a false narrative.

So, how many have been beat innocently from this one tragedy at this point around the country so far ? If GZ is not convicted of 2nd degree murder which IMO is way overcharged by Corey who prosecuted a woman who fired a shot that hit no one out of fear to 20 yrs in prison and basically has set a tone that IMO will lead to riots, and more victims if the outcome is not favorable to those hell bent on this GZ is a racist pig who executed a child narrative. I am thinking Watts on steroids but pray I am wrong.

I do not think you are wrong IM. My son was attacked for being white a couple of weeks ago. It is real and it is happening.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: sailcat on May 18, 2012, 09:37:55 PM
Here is a study that shows 13% of all children have fatty liver.  Of those, only 38% are obese.  There are several causes of fatty liver and in children alcohol consumption is not considered to be a cause.  High cholesterol and triglycerides is a cause so it is more likely diet was a factor with Trayvon.  (thin people can have high cholesterol and Trayvon was considerably thin for his height)  I'm not saying Trayvon didn't drink but it is unfounded at this point and would be surprising to me if that was a cause for his fatty liver. 

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/118/4/1388.full.pdf

I also know people on anti anxiety medication and when they are not taking their medication they can be intense and take action without thinking things all the way through.  Muffy is right, though, we don't know why GZ was prescribed the pills.

Yes, there were breakins in the neighborhood but GZ had three past examples of being considered a threat... a friend of his had a protective order against him, he was fired for being too aggressive from a prior employer, and he was charged with attacking a police officer.  I believe he was overzealous in his actions against Trayvon.  I believe he, George Zimmerman, was the aggressor and when Trayvon enacted the 'Stand Your Ground Law' to protect himself GZ then murdered him and is now trying to claim he was the victim. 


BBM I think you hit the nail on the head. I've always believed that the one person that night who had every right to claim protection under Stand Your Ground was Trayvon Martin.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on May 18, 2012, 09:44:41 PM
Here is a study that shows 13% of all children have fatty liver.  Of those, only 38% are obese.  There are several causes of fatty liver and in children alcohol consumption is not considered to be a cause.  High cholesterol and triglycerides is a cause so it is more likely diet was a factor with Trayvon.  (thin people can have high cholesterol and Trayvon was considerably thin for his height)  I'm not saying Trayvon didn't drink but it is unfounded at this point and would be surprising to me if that was a cause for his fatty liver. 

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/118/4/1388.full.pdf

I also know people on anti anxiety medication and when they are not taking their medication they can be intense and take action without thinking things all the way through.  Muffy is right, though, we don't know why GZ was prescribed the pills.

Yes, there were breakins in the neighborhood but GZ had three past examples of being considered a threat... a friend of his had a protective order against him, he was fired for being too aggressive from a prior employer, and he was charged with attacking a police officer.  I believe he was overzealous in his actions against Trayvon.  I believe he, George Zimmerman, was the aggressor and when Trayvon enacted the 'Stand Your Ground Law' to protect himself GZ then murdered him and is now trying to claim he was the victim. 





While I have read that study, the majority of those children were overweight and the prevalence of the disease in African American youth is almost non existent (according to the study you cited it is 1.5 percent). I do not know if TM was a drinker, but I do know that a good majority of young people I deal with do not start with MJ but start with booze. I do not know if TM was one of them. I do know that the facts in this case show he was a strong young man. I do know that GZ may have had no reason to follow TM except that crime in that area was increasing. This crime included eight burglaries, nine thefts, dozens of break-ins (at least one with a woman and infant upstairs) and one shooting. It is my understanding several of these crimes were committed by black males. Zimmerman had every right to walk the sidewalks, he even had the right to follow TM. TM made the choice, instead of going to his dad's apartment which is where he was heading, to confront GZ. When he confronted GZ with violence, GZ had the right to defend himself.

I know that GZ in not Lilly white but he was doing something to help his community. Was TM?  TM was kicked out of school for drugs. He was suspended multiple times. Possession of burglary tools and large amounts of women's jewelry are a couple of the incidents.  Imagine being the woman home with her child when someone breaks in. We do not know that TM did not have something to do with the break-in - neither did GZ.  We have been told he was going to the store and was coming back. He did have skittles and tea - but we do not know if that was a cover story or not.  All GZ knew is that he felt like the first line of protection against what could be a bad guy. He did not chase TM down and attack him - he did not shoot TM from a distance. The evidence seems to show that TM physically attacked GZ. That changed the game. I have felt that fear - I know that all I wanted was to get the bad guy that was threatening me to stop. If it had become physical or I felt AT THAT MOMENT that my life was in danger, I would not have hesitated to use deadly force.

I know that my opinion is not popular but it is what I feel. I work and shop in an area where people get attacked by others frequently. One of our employees was mugged and beaten at a walmart two days ago. If her husband had not been there to intervene who knows where her and her child would have been. One of my favorite quotes is that all that evil needs is for good people to do nothing. I do not know if GZ is a good guy, but he is not an evil person either.


What if Trayvon was the one who feared for his life and just wanted to get the bad guy who was threatening him?  What if GZ pulled his jacket aside and exposed his weapon in an effort to prevent Trayvon from running and Tray's fight or flight instinct kicked in and he chose to fight?  All kinds of assumptions are being made about Trayvon and a lot of excuses are being made for GZ.  I think you're actually in the majority here, which is fine because you're raising good arguments I just don't necessarily agree with them.

To our knowledge, Trayvon has no previous charges or accusations of assault nor has he had a restraining order against him.  GZ has.

The above study included 548 kids (IIRC) so eight of those 548 kids were black and had liver disease that was not a result of alcohol consumption.  Trayvon very well may have been one of those kids.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: theboyzmom on May 18, 2012, 09:54:49 PM
Here is a study that shows 13% of all children have fatty liver.  Of those, only 38% are obese.  There are several causes of fatty liver and in children alcohol consumption is not considered to be a cause.  High cholesterol and triglycerides is a cause so it is more likely diet was a factor with Trayvon.  (thin people can have high cholesterol and Trayvon was considerably thin for his height)  I'm not saying Trayvon didn't drink but it is unfounded at this point and would be surprising to me if that was a cause for his fatty liver. 

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/118/4/1388.full.pdf

I also know people on anti anxiety medication and when they are not taking their medication they can be intense and take action without thinking things all the way through.  Muffy is right, though, we don't know why GZ was prescribed the pills.

Yes, there were breakins in the neighborhood but GZ had three past examples of being considered a threat... a friend of his had a protective order against him, he was fired for being too aggressive from a prior employer, and he was charged with attacking a police officer.  I believe he was overzealous in his actions against Trayvon.  I believe he, George Zimmerman, was the aggressor and when Trayvon enacted the 'Stand Your Ground Law' to protect himself GZ then murdered him and is now trying to claim he was the victim. 





While I have read that study, the majority of those children were overweight and the prevalence of the disease in African American youth is almost non existent (according to the study you cited it is 1.5 percent). I do not know if TM was a drinker, but I do know that a good majority of young people I deal with do not start with MJ but start with booze. I do not know if TM was one of them. I do know that the facts in this case show he was a strong young man. I do know that GZ may have had no reason to follow TM except that crime in that area was increasing. This crime included eight burglaries, nine thefts, dozens of break-ins (at least one with a woman and infant upstairs) and one shooting. It is my understanding several of these crimes were committed by black males. Zimmerman had every right to walk the sidewalks, he even had the right to follow TM. TM made the choice, instead of going to his dad's apartment which is where he was heading, to confront GZ. When he confronted GZ with violence, GZ had the right to defend himself.

I know that GZ in not Lilly white but he was doing something to help his community. Was TM?  TM was kicked out of school for drugs. He was suspended multiple times. Possession of burglary tools and large amounts of women's jewelry are a couple of the incidents.  Imagine being the woman home with her child when someone breaks in. We do not know that TM did not have something to do with the break-in - neither did GZ.  We have been told he was going to the store and was coming back. He did have skittles and tea - but we do not know if that was a cover story or not.  All GZ knew is that he felt like the first line of protection against what could be a bad guy. He did not chase TM down and attack him - he did not shoot TM from a distance. The evidence seems to show that TM physically attacked GZ. That changed the game. I have felt that fear - I know that all I wanted was to get the bad guy that was threatening me to stop. If it had become physical or I felt AT THAT MOMENT that my life was in danger, I would not have hesitated to use deadly force.

I know that my opinion is not popular but it is what I feel. I work and shop in an area where people get attacked by others frequently. One of our employees was mugged and beaten at a walmart two days ago. If her husband had not been there to intervene who knows where her and her child would have been. One of my favorite quotes is that all that evil needs is for good people to do nothing. I do not know if GZ is a good guy, but he is not an evil person either.


What if Trayvon was the one who feared for his life and just wanted to get the bad guy who was threatening him?  What if GZ pulled his jacket aside and exposed his weapon in an effort to prevent Trayvon from running and Tray's fight or flight instinct kicked in and he chose to fight?  All kinds of assumptions are being made about Trayvon and a lot of excuses are being made for GZ.  I think you're actually in the majority here, which is fine because you're raising good arguments I just don't necessarily agree with them.

To our knowledge, Trayvon has no previous charges or accusations of assault nor has he had a restraining order against him.  GZ has.

The above study included 548 kids (IIRC) so eight of those 548 kids were black and had liver disease that was not a result of alcohol consumption.  Trayvon very well may have been one of those kids.

BBM - thanks for the respect - I shall show you the same.

I do agree that we do not know what happened and will never know for sure. TM could not have a restraining order against him since he was a minor so it is an unfair comparison.

What do we teach our kids when someone is following them? Go somewhere safe or turn around and accuse the person that is following them?  No we teach them to go to safety. Even as a CCW holder, that would be my first choice. My big reason for thinking that GZ did not intend to shoot TM is that he did not until the TM physically attacked him. I really believe that TM may have seen the gun, and his goal (as it would be with anyone scared of a person that had a gun) was to get the gun away from GZ. At that point GZ had no choice. My LEO friends say it all the time - want to get killed, let your opponent get your gun - at that point he has nothing to lose if he shoots you.

Anyway, I am off to read stories to the little one. Thanks again for having an open mind to listen to the opinions of a nut like me!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 18, 2012, 10:07:27 PM
Fear of riots should not prevent justice from being served in this case.  Let it go to court and let the chips fall where they may.  Also, I just don't hear many people calling Zimmerman a racist pig.  He's been accused of profiling but the term racist has been used by very few people from what I have read.

The question is, was profiling fair in this case?  Is it ever fair?  I would argue that it is acceptable under certain circumstances, this being one of them.  In the act of profiling, does that then make it okay to leave your vehicle while armed to confront someone because of your frustration that they will get away before the police arrive?

No it does not.  Had GZ allowed the police to do their job an innocent Trayvon would be alive and this would never have happened.  GZ was not in fear of his life or he would never have left his truck and it was that pivotal decision that led to a deceased Trayvon Martin and made GZ the aggressor. 

In regards to Trayvon's blood tests, knowing what I know about teenagers, the fact that he only had trace amounts of marijuana in his system (trace amounts indicates he rarely smokes weed) actually speaks to him being a pretty good kid.  Here in our low crime rural town I can tell you a lot of kids would have more than trace amounts in their system and probably beer, too, from the house party they may have attended.



There was quite a bit of talk at the beginning of this case about GZ being "white hispanic" and he was racist, until more information came out in regard to his background. 

I believe many are concerned (including me) about a backlash and the possibility of rioting.  There has been a bounty on GZ's head, threats against the judge in the case and there is a big concern about witnesses being threatened if their identity is revealed, and it really concerns me about seating a jury for this case. 

GZ had a permit to carry his weapon, and therefore I'm not surprised he had it on him when he got out of his car.  That doesn't mean he intended to get out and shoot Trayvon, but if you carry a firearm, there's always the chance you might use it.  I'm not certain GZ was frustrated.  I don't think we could know that.  Only he would know how he was feeling at the time, wouldn't he?  Maybe he was concerned?  We don't know.  Maybe he was wondering why there was a guy in a hoodie walking around that time of night and he stopped and asked.  That wouldn't be a crime as far as I know.  I have no idea what really went on from that point, because we don't have information.  As far as GZ being in fear of his life, maybe after he had been on the ground for a bit being pummled, it crossed his mind.   ::MonkeyWink::

In regard to Trayvon's blood test, he had THC in his system.  This doesn't make him a drug fiend imo.  But he did have a past in that regard, that led to school suspension and etc. This doesn't make him a bad kid, but then he's not exactly an angel either.  We could go on and on till the cows come home, but we have limited information, and what we do have has been tainted by the media, by rumors and by all of the emotions.  I don't know how this case is going to end, but one important thing to remember is to try to stick to facts as best we can.  JMHO  And it IS a tragedy indeed there is a young man dead.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on May 18, 2012, 11:17:27 PM
Fear of riots should not prevent justice from being served in this case.  Let it go to court and let the chips fall where they may.  Also, I just don't hear many people calling Zimmerman a racist pig.  He's been accused of profiling but the term racist has been used by very few people from what I have read.

The question is, was profiling fair in this case?  Is it ever fair?  I would argue that it is acceptable under certain circumstances, this being one of them.  In the act of profiling, does that then make it okay to leave your vehicle while armed to confront someone because of your frustration that they will get away before the police arrive?

No it does not.  Had GZ allowed the police to do their job an innocent Trayvon would be alive and this would never have happened.  GZ was not in fear of his life or he would never have left his truck and it was that pivotal decision that led to a deceased Trayvon Martin and made GZ the aggressor. 

In regards to Trayvon's blood tests, knowing what I know about teenagers, the fact that he only had trace amounts of marijuana in his system (trace amounts indicates he rarely smokes weed) actually speaks to him being a pretty good kid.  Here in our low crime rural town I can tell you a lot of kids would have more than trace amounts in their system and probably beer, too, from the house party they may have attended.



There was quite a bit of talk at the beginning of this case about GZ being "white hispanic" and he was racist, until more information came out in regard to his background. 

I believe many are concerned (including me) about a backlash and the possibility of rioting.  There has been a bounty on GZ's head, threats against the judge in the case and there is a big concern about witnesses being threatened if their identity is revealed, and it really concerns me about seating a jury for this case. 

GZ had a permit to carry his weapon, and therefore I'm not surprised he had it on him when he got out of his car.  That doesn't mean he intended to get out and shoot Trayvon, but if you carry a firearm, there's always the chance you might use it.  I'm not certain GZ was frustrated.  I don't think we could know that.  Only he would know how he was feeling at the time, wouldn't he?  Maybe he was concerned?  We don't know.  Maybe he was wondering why there was a guy in a hoodie walking around that time of night and he stopped and asked.  That wouldn't be a crime as far as I know.  I have no idea what really went on from that point, because we don't have information.  As far as GZ being in fear of his life, maybe after he had been on the ground for a bit being pummled, it crossed his mind.   ::MonkeyWink::

In regard to Trayvon's blood test, he had THC in his system.  This doesn't make him a drug fiend imo.  But he did have a past in that regard, that led to school suspension and etc. This doesn't make him a bad kid, but then he's not exactly an angel either.  We could go on and on till the cows come home, but we have limited information, and what we do have has been tainted by the media, by rumors and by all of the emotions.  I don't know how this case is going to end, but one important thing to remember is to try to stick to facts as best we can.  JMHO  And it IS a tragedy indeed there is a young man dead.

Could not agree more, Muffy.


Just one last thing.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Zimmerman:  ....Okay.  These assholes always get away....

Zimmerman: .... shit, he's running....

Dispatcher:  Are you following him?

Zimmerman:  yeah

Dispatcher:  Okay.  We don't need you to do that.

**please note I cut alot of the verbage between Zimmerman and the dispatcher related to directions on where GZ was located because I cannot copy and paste it however I believe this indicates frustration on Zimmerman's part and shows that he was in pursuit of Trayvon.  If someone can screen capture it that would be far more accurate than the snippets I'm providing.  Thanks in advance if someone is able to do that.  The 9-11 call is really pivotal to the circumstances that night.


I look forward to the trial, and from an anthropological standpoint, what happens as a result of it.  I guess I see it as a reflection of where we are as a society.  Riots or no?  Innocent or guilty?  Will it open dialogue on racism and the merits of profiling?  On colored folk accepting responsibility for high crime rates within the black community?  The Stand Your Ground law.  Not putting all our frustration for crime on the back of one black teenager.  Totally interesting.

Thanks so much for the open discussion ladies.  Gave me lots to think about.

Have a good night.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: TURBOTHINK on May 19, 2012, 12:17:50 AM
Okay, here is my two cents which must likely will not be popular. From what I have read the Martin guy was a troubled kid with a lot of problems in the past. There were a number of juvenile offenses which will all come out in court. He was expelled from his school in Miami for drug and drug paraphernalia possession not to mention stolen jewelery in his possession. He had been expelled more than once according to media reports. A "good kid" does not get expelled for drugs and stolen jewelery. He was obliviously also a poor student since he was almost 18 and not even close to graduating from high school. One report listed him as a freshman. The family made a deal about him playing football but from what I can determine he did not play on the high school level. Maybe those football picture was like the original one the press showed - years old.

The kid's facebook page, his tweets and other web places I saw indicated to me either he was a want a be "gangster" or a real gangster. Looking through his friends profiles I am betting on the second. It appears from his tweets his friends considered him their "connection." 

I want to know how an underage kid got all those tattoos and all those gold "gangster" teeth. I want to know how a kid who lived in Miami with his mother was walking up next to the windows of the housing complex. He was not strolling down a sidewalk with "skittles" - he was giving the appearance of checking out places to break into. This was a very suspicious action and if I had seen an unknown kid who did not live there doing that in my subdivision I would question him too. I have more than once followed suspicious persons in my subdivision so I see no fault in that. Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch person and they make it their job to know who belongs in the area they are responsible for watching.

This boy did not live there and the story to me is very suspicious as to why he was there. First it was told his father lived there. Then when that was investigated, it was a friend of the boy, then it was the father's girlfriend (who if you notice has become invisible) then when the name did not work with any owners, it was something else. This story has changed way too many times for my taste. I would like to know WHO he was really there to see. (if anyone)

When the dispatcher told Z to not pursue him, he started returning to his vehicle (as evidenced by the place of the occurrence and the eye witnesses.) then I am guessing this kid started running that mouth with the MF language he used on twitter and the other web sites then jumped Zimmerman. The autopsy indicated he was shot as Z described with him on top of Z hitting him. The witnesses told the exact same account of the incident. 

This in my opinion an open and shut case of self defense and except for the reverse racism (which did not work either because z was Hispanic and black, not white as they wanted him to be) and the parents wanting to make a lot of money off of it would never have had a second thought in most states. It is a backdoor way to change the gun laws in Florida and they are using an unfortunate death to pursue it.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: TURBOTHINK on May 19, 2012, 12:37:06 AM
Even a state lawmaker, concerned about “black youths” who are “terrorizing” Baltimore’s upscale Inner Harbor, wants the governor to send in state troopers to make the area safe.

Call for crackdown on black-on-white terror http://bit.ly/Ki3ZOR


   



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 19, 2012, 01:32:37 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-zimmerman-hoa-newsletters-20120518,0,2949112.story

Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman: A portrait of the Retreat
May 18, 2012, 9:04 a.m.

 ::snipping2::
If you had been the victim of a recent crime, you would have been advised to call the police -- and then to call the neighborhood watch captain, George Zimmerman.

A number of issues of Zimmerman's neighborhood newsletter, "Retreat Reflections," were included in the 183 pages of discovery documents made public Thursday in Zimmerman's second-degree murder case. They were certainly not the most newsworthy items in the stack. More immediately compelling was the fact that the Sanford police essentially blamed Zimmerman for recklessly engaging in the Feb. 26 encounter with Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teenager Zimmerman had decided was a suspicious character in the neighborhood.
 ::snipping2::
In June 2011, the public safety concerns of the neighborhood seemed minor: A news item that month said that the HOA would be hiring Sanford police to enforce the speed limit and parking rules.

But in the September 2011 issue -- next to a clip-art cartoon character peering through a giant magnifying glass -- the newsletter announced: "We have recently experienced an increased incidence of crime within the community including three break-ins in the past month, which is why having residents committed to being members of the Neighborhood Watch and reporting suspicious activities is so important. We must send a message that we will not tolerate this in our community!"

It urges anyone with information on the break-ins to call the police. It also suggests calling Zimmerman for "updates, safety tips" and notifications of "any suspicious activity."

The neighborhood watch group, it reported, held a meeting with Sanford police officers on Sept. 22 to discuss crime-prevention strategies. The newsletter urged residents to consider becoming block captains. "Please keep your eyes open," the newsletter stated. "If you see something suspicious or out of place, report it!"
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on May 19, 2012, 03:16:52 AM
Unfortunately, it's a very common misconception, and this lady doesn't sound like she has much experience handling firearms.  Shooting schools teach if you are in fear for your life and need to defend yourself, you draw your firearm and you aim for mass.  They don't teach shooting at arms and legs.  You may only get one shot. 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-witness-believes-intended-kid-die/story?id=16380864
Trayvon Martin Witness Believes 'He Intended for This Kid to Die'
May 18, 2012

 ::snipping2::
The woman told police that Zimmerman, 28, examined Martin's body as he slowly paced back and forth when the police arrived. She watched as they checked the teen's body and turned him over, eventually starting CPR. But he was already dead for five or 10 minutes, she said.

"I do honestly feel that he intended for this kid to die," witness 5 told investigators. "If you're in self defense, shoot him in the leg. He's a 17-year-old, scrawny little kid. You get into a physical fight with him. ... I think the kid was running for help."
 ::snipping2::

ITA~ when I got my first gun at 21 I was told by the sheriff the same thing, also never hesitate..if you pull your weapon be prepared to use it or it will be used against you, aim for the chest and 2 bullets. I also read somewhere that because he had hollow points he was looking to shoot someone, hello.....I only have hollow points except for target rounds and I don't know anyone that doesn't. More ignorance IMO


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Monkey King on May 19, 2012, 06:54:56 AM
A medical report by George Zimmerman’s doctor has disclosed that Zimmerman had a fractured nose, two black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head and a back injury on the day after the fatal shooting. If this evidence turns out to be valid, the prosecutor will have no choice but to drop the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman — if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/drop-george-zimmerman-murder-charge-article-1.1080161#ixzz1vJMtmKjs


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Monkey King on May 19, 2012, 06:58:39 AM
Okay, here is my two cents which must likely will not be popular. From what I have read the Martin guy was a troubled kid with a lot of problems in the past. There were a number of juvenile offenses which will all come out in court. He was expelled from his school in Miami for drug and drug paraphernalia possession not to mention stolen jewelery in his possession. He had been expelled more than once according to media reports. A "good kid" does not get expelled for drugs and stolen jewelery. He was obliviously also a poor student since he was almost 18 and not even close to graduating from high school. One report listed him as a freshman. The family made a deal about him playing football but from what I can determine he did not play on the high school level. Maybe those football picture was like the original one the press showed - years old.

The kid's facebook page, his tweets and other web places I saw indicated to me either he was a want a be "gangster" or a real gangster. Looking through his friends profiles I am betting on the second. It appears from his tweets his friends considered him their "connection." 

I want to know how an underage kid got all those tattoos and all those gold "gangster" teeth. I want to know how a kid who lived in Miami with his mother was walking up next to the windows of the housing complex. He was not strolling down a sidewalk with "skittles" - he was giving the appearance of checking out places to break into. This was a very suspicious action and if I had seen an unknown kid who did not live there doing that in my subdivision I would question him too. I have more than once followed suspicious persons in my subdivision so I see no fault in that. Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch person and they make it their job to know who belongs in the area they are responsible for watching.

This boy did not live there and the story to me is very suspicious as to why he was there. First it was told his father lived there. Then when that was investigated, it was a friend of the boy, then it was the father's girlfriend (who if you notice has become invisible) then when the name did not work with any owners, it was something else. This story has changed way too many times for my taste. I would like to know WHO he was really there to see. (if anyone)

When the dispatcher told Z to not pursue him, he started returning to his vehicle (as evidenced by the place of the occurrence and the eye witnesses.) then I am guessing this kid started running that mouth with the MF language he used on twitter and the other web sites then jumped Zimmerman. The autopsy indicated he was shot as Z described with him on top of Z hitting him. The witnesses told the exact same account of the incident. 

This in my opinion an open and shut case of self defense and except for the reverse racism (which did not work either because z was Hispanic and black, not white as they wanted him to be) and the parents wanting to make a lot of money off of it would never have had a second thought in most states. It is a backdoor way to change the gun laws in Florida and they are using an unfortunate death to pursue it.



My unpopular response~ Good post, Turbo


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Monkey King on May 19, 2012, 07:20:19 AM
Unfortunately, it's a very common misconception, and this lady doesn't sound like she has much experience handling firearms.  Shooting schools teach if you are in fear for your life and need to defend yourself, you draw your firearm and you aim for mass.  They don't teach shooting at arms and legs.  You may only get one shot. 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-witness-believes-intended-kid-die/story?id=16380864
Trayvon Martin Witness Believes 'He Intended for This Kid to Die'
May 18, 2012

 ::snipping2::
The woman told police that Zimmerman, 28, examined Martin's body as he slowly paced back and forth when the police arrived. She watched as they checked the teen's body and turned him over, eventually starting CPR. But he was already dead for five or 10 minutes, she said.

"I do honestly feel that he intended for this kid to die," witness 5 told investigators. "If you're in self defense, shoot him in the leg. He's a 17-year-old, scrawny little kid. You get into a physical fight with him. ... I think the kid was running for help."
 ::snipping2::

You are absolutely correct, MuffyBee.

If you are pinned to the ground, being beaten up, in the fight for your life, wrestling over your gun, you are just going to shoot, you don't have time (or probably the thought) to look for a less fatal target.

Trayvon was not "a scrawny little kid".  Not only was he a lot taller than Zimmerman, his arms were a lot longer, giving Trayvon a considerable "reach" advantage.  (Look at boxers)

The "kid" was not "running for help".

Geez! And this woman is a witness?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Blonde on May 19, 2012, 08:23:14 AM
IMO only
Dispatcher:  Are you following him?

Zimmerman:  yeah

Dispatcher:  Okay.  We don't need you to do that.

 He should have waited in the car like they told him too.
 Zimmerman was WRONG to get out and do this to Trayvon I hope he goes down JMO


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 19, 2012, 08:50:44 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/18/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
New Evidence Released in Trayvon Martin Shooting
Aired May 18, 2012 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you from New York City.

Tonight new evidence pouring out in the Trayvon Martin shooting case. We have the surveillance video of Trayvon`s last minutes alive, plus photos of accused killer George Zimmerman`s injuries, and new witness information that could turn this case on its head. We`re analyzing with a team of experts.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, fast-breaking developments in the Trayvon Martin case. Newly released surveillance video shows the teen in his hoodie at the 7-Eleven where he bought iced tea and Skittles just moments before he was gunned down by George Zimmerman.

Plus you`ll hear new audio recordings of Trayvon`s girlfriend and the shooter`s father talking about the scream on the 911 calls.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That is absolutely, positively George Zimmerman.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we`ll hear from a witness who claims he saw the pair struggling. What does all this evidence uncover? And are there discrepancies even within the reports themselves? We`re looking at both sides with a friend of George Zimmerman and an attorney from Trayvon`s family.

Plus, tonight our adventure to slimness continue. I`ll talk to a "Biggest Loser" champ and learn her secrets to slimness. Summer is just around the corner, and we`re on our way to looking fabulous.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news on a big story tonight, the Trayvon Martin case. This is a major new development, evidence directly connected to the shooting, never before seen, has now been released.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trayvon Martin! Trayvon Martin!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trayvon Martin! Trayvon Martin!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trayvon Martin! Trayvon Martin!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Drugs were found in the teen`s system when he died.

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, SHOOT TRAYVON MARTIN: This guy looks like he`s up to no good or he`s on drugs or something. Something`s wrong with him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These are the last known images of Trayvon Martin, the 17-year-old. There you see him inside a convenience store. He`s wearing the hoodie and buying Skittles and iced tea.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No justice, no peace! No justice, no peace!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No justice, no peace! No justice, no peace!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No justice, no peace! No justice, no peace!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Photos of Zimmerman, now they were taken at the police station the night of the shooting. In these you can see the swelling and the abrasions on his nose. And we`re getting our clearest look yet at the cuts on the back of his head.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was definitely a fight here, and this is the first time that we have seen evidence of a real fight.

SYBRINA FULTON, MOTHER OF TRAYVON: This is not a black and white thing. This is about a right and wrong thing. Justice for Trayvon.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We don`t know who initiated it. We don`t know who escalated it. We don`t know who threatened who. So this is clearly some important, relevant evidence, but only a piece of the story.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: More stunning new developments tonight in the Trayvon Martin case as crucial video, photos and taped interviews with key witnesses were made public.

Just released, this surveillance video from the 7-Eleven store that shows Trayvon Martin buying a bag of Skittles and an iced tea, shortly before being shot to death by George Zimmerman. This may be the last video of Trayvon before he died.

You can see him wearing his much-discussed hoodie, and we also seem to be absolutely nothing out of the ordinary: chatting with the store clerk. We also see that Trayvon is a tall teenager, 17 years old. Tonight, we`re analyzing every frame of this fascinating video with our experts.

Also released, this evidence, the first photo from that night, showing George Zimmerman after his deadly encounter. It`s grainy, black and white, but take a look at that nose. This was taken moments after the encounter. Does the nose look broken to you?

All this being released as part of Florida`s sunshine laws. Mountains of evidence, 67 CDs filled with video and documents and photos of more than 200 pages of documents.

An enormous number of witnesses listed: 50 police witnesses, 28 civilian witnesses, and an additional 22 unidentified civilian witnesses.

Cops released audio of one of the eyewitnesses. Listen carefully to what this man says he saw that night.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I first walked out there, the black guy was on top, and the only reason I can tell that was because the guy that was on the ground under him at that point wrestling was definitely a lighter color.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Does this witness corroborate George Zimmerman`s side of the story, that Trayvon Martin was on top of him? And do the wounds in these photos bolster Zimmerman`s claim of self-defense?

But we also ask tonight, do the documents hurt Zimmerman? The warrant for his arrest states, quote, "The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement." It says it right there. Ultimately avoidable.

We have an amazing panel to discuss all of this tonight. We begin with Mark Nejame, Orlando criminal defense attorney, HLN contributor. You are there in Orlando where this tragedy occurred, same region. What`s the buzz there locally, the reaction to this extraordinary release of evidence?

MARK NEJAME, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, like so many cases, seemingly, in central Florida, everybody is just shaking their head, and I think, really, everyone is waiting for the evidence to come out.

Clearly, this is a polarizing case. You have people on both sides of this who are really adamant in their positions. I think the vast majority of people are simply wanting to take a breath and go through this mountain of evidence and really start figuring out what, in fact, did happen before they really draw the ultimate conclusion.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. We`re going to look at this surveillance video and go around and try to get reaction to it.

Natalie Jackson, you`re the attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family. What does this 7-Eleven -- 7-Eleven video tell you?

NATALIE JACKSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via phone): Well, I`ll tell you, Jane, we discussed this with Sybrina. She just saw the video for the first time last night on television like everyone else, and she said that she wished that she was there to warn him what was going to happen in less than, you know, 5, 10 minutes.

But what it told us is that, you know, Trayvon was buying candy and tea and not in an aggressive mood. He was -- looks like a kid who was, you know, being normal buying a drink.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Holly Hughes, criminal defense attorney. Let`s take a look at the surveillance video and what do you see? What does it tell you?

HOLLY HUGHES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, again, Jane, this is a young man who did not leave the house for nefarious reasons. He`s not out prowling the neighborhood, looking to burglarize somebody. He`s doing exactly what his family has always maintained he did. He went to the store and he picked up some candy and iced tea for his little brother. He`s not looking for trouble. He`s not hanging out. He`s headed home.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Midwin Charles, you can say that the store clerk is having a nice chat with him, it would seem. What are your thoughts?

MIDWIN CHARLES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I agree. He`s having a nice chat with him. And it also disproves what you say George Zimmerman said on the tape, which is this guy looks like he`s on drugs. This guy looks like he`s up to nothing. That`s the image of a young man who looks pretty normal. He doesn`t seem to be under the influence of anything and doesn`t seem to be aggressive anyway, as well.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Frank Taaffe, you are George Zimmerman`s former neighbor and a defender. What does the video say to you?

FRANK TAAFFE, FORMER NEIGHBOR: It tells me two things. I`ve walked that 7-Eleven back to the retreat. It`s about a 15-, 20-minute walk. I believe on the tape it shows him leaving somewhere around 6:20, 6:25. You know, I can make it in 15 minutes.

You know, it looks normal where he`s there now, but we don`t know what happened. It`s reasonable to say we don`t know what happened from the time he left the 7-Eleven to the time he got to the retreat. Fifteen minutes for me to walk it, a young 17-year-old I`m sure could traverse that within...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, what`s your point?

TAAFFE: ... ten minutes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m not getting your point.

TAAFFE: No. I concur and I agree with the other guests on your show. It`s just that we reasonably, or we can reasonably say we don`t know what happened between the period.

Also, they found a cigarette lighter and $40 on him. He wasn`t employed. You know, who gave him the $40? This is what was in the report.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you`re not going to -- let me -- wait a second. Now come on, if he went into the 7-Eleven to get Skittles and an iced tea without any money, then people would criticize him for that.

TAAFFE: No but...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You need cash to pay for Skittles and iced tea. I`ve got them right here.

TAAFFE: That`s right. No one -- no one is arguing that point. We just don`t know what happened between the time he left the 7-Eleven and he got to where the point "X" was where he circled around George Zimmerman and George said he looked suspicious and that he`s on drugs. Lo and behold, what do we find in his system? THC.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let`s talk about that with forensic scientist Larry Kobilinsky. And I want to -- we have some facts here about this whole THC issue, and I want to get your take, because you`re the foremost expert on this.

The medical examiner said they found THC, which is a component of marijuana, in Trayvon Martin`s system. Now, we`ve done some investigating on THC. Within an hour of smoking pot, a person will have between a hundred and 200 nanograms per milliliter of THC in their system. You fast forward three hours, that drops to under five nanograms.

Trayvon had 1.5 nanograms of THC and 7.5 of another kind of THC. Now what does this is say about when he smoked pot?

LARRY KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC EXPERT: It`s very hard to answer that question, Jane. First of all, it`s a very low level. That`s No. 1.

No. 2, at that level, you know, it`s very questionable as to whether it had any impact on his behavior.

Now, we know that THC is the active ingredient in marijuana, and it will, you know, diminish your inhibitions, but at that level I think it becomes almost irrelevant.

In fact, when did he smoke it? If he was a chronic smoker, he could have smoked it four or five days ago, and he would still have picked up a level as low as that.

So I think it`s a red herring, and I just don`t see how that would have impacted his behavior and played a role in this case. I even question as to whether it will come in as a relevant piece of evidence. It certainly has to come in as part of the autopsy report. It`s part of the toxicology report.

But its significance in the case in deciding one way or the other, I think it`s not very significant at all.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So it will definitely become evidence because it`s part of the autopsy report.

KOBILINSKY: That`s correct.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So it`s not like it could be argued that, well, this is irrelevant; therefore, it shouldn`t be admitted at all. Because it`s in the autopsy report, it has to be admitted.

So let me go around and find out. What is the impact, do you think, of this whole THC and marijuana angle? Some many people say, "Well, it`s irrelevant." But in a case like this things can have an impact. So I`ll start with you, Midwin Charles.

CHARLES: Well, I think I`m glad that they released the 7-Eleven footage, because what it does is it shows you that this isn`t someone who appears to be jittery.

If he is being accused of being under the influence of marijuana -- and I`m sure that there are those who will use this THC level to say that he was under the influence or perhaps seemed to be erratic or skittish or would have acted in an act of aggression. You just don`t see that on this videotape. And this is a videotape that was shot just a few minutes before this altercation occurred.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Holly Hughes...

CHARLES: This sort of refutes that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Holly Hughes, any impact to the THC, the marijuana found in Trayvon`s system?

HUGHES: No, in fact, I think it cuts against them, because what they`re going to do is they`re going to question the toxicologist, what is the effects that marijuana typically has on people? They get sleepy, and they get the munchies. They don`t become aggressive. This it`s cocaine. This isn`t crack. This isn`t meth.

So if, in fact, it comes in, it`s not suppressed in a motion in limine, I think it helps to show it would have mellowed him, not made him actively aggressive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side of the break, we`re going to play the statement from the witness who says he saw the struggle with his own eyes. Listen to his words, and we`ll analyze it with our experts.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I first walked out there, the black guy was on top, and the only reason I can tell that was because the guy that was on the ground under him at that point wrestling was definitely a lighter color.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s breaking news we`re hearing from this eyewitness, he says, to the crucial confrontation between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin. And this is him talking to police.

Now, what`s more, this witness said he saw some MMA-style fighting. That apparently means mixed martial arts. Listen to this same witness explain what he meant by that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When it moved onto the concrete, the guy in the black shirt or sweater was on top of him. And when I say -- when I meant to say MMA, it was more of just like he was, you know, over his leg part, like he -- I`m trying to think how to put this. If you ever watch MMA, the guy that`s on top is usually in control is what -- that`s what I meant.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So Mark Nejame, criminal defense attorney and HLN contributor, this is a way to say the guy on top was in control and that he believes Trayvon was on top. So does that mean he was the aggressor?

NEJAME: No. It means that there is mutual combat, and at that time he was getting the best -- he being Trayvon, was getting the best of Zimmerman. It still doesn`t take us to what happened for the minute and ten seconds that proceeded that, which is still the big part of the puzzle that needs to be filled in.

We do know that there was a confrontation. We do know that it got violent. We do know that there are injuries to Zimmerman and that there were limited injuries, at least from the autopsy report, to Trayvon.

So it doesn`t tell us what preceded it. It does tell us, though, that once there was this contact between the other, that there was a fight and that apparently, seemingly Trayvon was getting the best of that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Frank Taaffe, you are George Zimmerman`s defender. What do you make of this witness suggesting that Trayvon was on top of George Zimmerman?

TAAFFE: I believe in him wholeheartedly, and I want to go back to that 7-Eleven video real quick.

Trayvon is a very imposing young man. You can see by the size over the clerk. That minute and ten seconds.

I want to go back to what Mr. Nejame said about a confrontation. This was an ambush, Mark. He was ambushed. I challenge you to come out there at night and see what this place is at night. Trayvon lied in wait for him. George is not a violent person. George is not a racist. I`ve been saying that since day one, since I went on the show back in March.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Frank, I asked you these specific questions and you just go off on a tangent. I was asking about the witness comment. Natalie Jackson...

TAAFFE: I agree with him. I agree with him.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... you`re the attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family. I want to give you an opportunity, because some people have made a deal over this witness, saying that Trayvon was on top of George Zimmerman. Your thoughts, Natalie?

JACKSON: My thoughts are you have to take this all into context. I agree with Mark. This doesn`t tell us what happened in the fight. It doesn`t matter what happened at the end of the fight. It`s only from that portion. There are also witnesses. One witness was adamant: there was no fight at the time of the gunshot.

This is what the fight -- this just tells us there was a struggle and the state attorney has -- has in the affidavit said that there was a struggle.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: More breaking news in a moment, but first your "Viral Video of the Day."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m messing with her and then, you know, out with milk.

My dog is a mother to four kittens. She adopted them as her own.

(KITTEN MEWING)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She seems to take...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said the guy getting close to him. So I tell him run. And then I tell him keep running. He not going to run, and then he say -- I tell him why you not running? He says, "I`m not going to run" because he`s tired. God knows he tired.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m sorry. Trayvon said he`s not running because -- he`s not going to run, he said, because you could tell he was tired?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How can you tell he was tired?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was breathing hard.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Police also released Trayvon`s girlfriend`s interview about what happened that night. Remember, Trayvon was talking to her on his cell phone shortly before this tragic shooting. Listen to how the girlfriend says the confrontation started.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you definitely could tell another voice that was not Trayvon?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you heard this other voice say what?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "What are you doing around here?"

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "What are you doing around here," OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I call, "Trayvon, what going on? What going on?"

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is you saying that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then I calling him, and he didn`t answer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No answer from Trayvon?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I hear something like bump. You can hear that Trayvon -- that somebody bumped Trayvon, because I can hear the grass.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: She says she didn`t hear any shots, but it seems like she heard the beginning of this deadly meeting. Some legal observers, Holly Hughes, have said this girlfriend of Trayvon is the key to the state`s case. Do you agree?

HUGHES: Not in itself. I don`t think any one piece of evidence can be viewed in a vacuum. It all pieces together.

We don`t know right now who started the fight. We only know who ended it, Jane.

And like I`ve been saying from the beginning if, in fact, George Zimmerman had simply identified himself and said, "Hey, I`m with Neighborhood Watch. Can I holler at you for a second? Do you need help? Are you lost?" If he had just made the identification and a simple inquiry, the whole thing could have been avoided.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, these new photos of Zimmerman`s wounds are, some say, very telling, and we`re going to show them to you in a moment. And we`re trying to analyze them right now.

As you take a look at some of the photos, you can see, well, there`s some kind of injury on his nose. There`s a cut there. He says his nose was broken. You have the bloody wounds on the back of his head.

And take a look at something else. We`re going to show you George Zimmerman`s hands. This is a new photo, just released, his hands completely injury-free.

Now, we also found out in the report that Trayvon`s hand had one cut on the ring finger of his left hand.

So Larry Kobilinsky, forensic scientist, John Jay College of Criminal Justice, what do these photos tell us?

KOBILINSKY: Well, it would indicate that Trayvon Martin hit some object with his left fist and developed a laceration on the ring finger, on his fourth digit.

Apparently, Mr. Zimmerman doesn`t show any kind of injuries...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: To his hands.

KOBILINSKY: ... to his hands, and that`s, you know, not totally unexpected. There was a scuffle, but what is consistent is damage to the left fist of Trayvon Martin and the injuries sustained by Mr. Zimmerman, to his head.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Midwin Charles, big picture?

CHARLES: I think the big picture is that a confrontation did occur. I think the big picture is that George Zimmerman was hurt, but it doesn`t tell us who started the fight? Who was standing their ground?

Did George Zimmerman first approach Trayvon, and Trayvon felt threatened, felt that he was facing bodily injury? So we don`t know that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So many pieces of the puzzle. More next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, CHARGED WITH MURDER OF TRAYVON MARTIN: Hey, we`ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there`s a real suspicious guy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said he shot him dead. The person is dead laying on the ground.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Zimmerman had a prescription for two drugs, temazepam and Adderall.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Adderall can change your vision. It can change how you perceive things. It can make you angrier and more aggressive.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Trayvon Martin`s autopsy showed that he had injuries on his knuckles when he died.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The medical examiner found only two injuries on 17-year-old Trayvon Martin`s body. His fatal gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles.

SYBRINA FULTON, MOTHER OF TRAYVON MARTIN: Our son was not committing any crime.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

CROWD: No justice. No peace.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Something in George Zimmerman`s mind made him get out of the car with a 9 millimeter gun and go after a kid who by his own words, George Zimmerman`s own words, was running away from him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Extraordinary developments in the Trayvon Martin case -- a release of a ton of new evidence including video of Trayvon Martin tragically just minutes before he was gunned down by George Zimmerman buying Skittles and iced tea at the local 7-Eleven. It was shortly thereafter as he was heading back to his dad`s house that he and George Zimmerman got into a confrontation that left him dead.

So from an emotional standpoint it is heart-wrenching to take a look at this young man who appears to be getting along very well with the store clerk and he is merely buying Skittles and iced tea and headed out on a rainy night in the Orlando area.

Now, there was an eyewitness who said he saw the confrontation, the crucial confrontation. Let`s listen to what this eyewitness had to say.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I first walked out there the black guy was on top, and the only reason I can tell that was because the guy that was on the ground under him at that point wrestling was definitely a lighter color.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So what significance is there that this eyewitness is saying that it would appear to him anyway in a dark, rainy night that Trayvon was at one point on top of George Zimmerman.

Dr. Kobilinsky, forensic scientist, you`ve covered so many of these cases, what will happen in court with that witness?

DR. LAWRENCE KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: Well, we always worry about the reliability of eyewitness testimony. But in this case the physical evidence appears to support what this witness says, namely that George Zimmerman was on the ground with his back to the ground. The physical evidence shows that the back of the clothing was wet and grass stains were present.

So again, we don`t know if he was on the ground the entire time, but certainly he was there at some point, so it lends credibility to what this person is saying.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Holly, as criminal defense attorney everybody is mentioning this big picture issue is that, yes you can have a confrontation, one person can be the aggressor initially but then when the other person is fighting back he could appear to be the aggressor during the confrontation. To put it mildly, it takes two to tango, you know.

So you can`t have a confrontation where one person is doing all the aggressing. Generally, if somebody begins as the aggressor, another person in standing up for themselves will, in the interim appear to be the aggressor.

So is it kind of saying that all of this stuff should be just almost thrown out?

HOLLY HUGHES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you know, you have to take it all together. You put it together like a puzzle because, Jane, how do we know that Trayvon was not defending himself?

And can I just point out, I`ve reviewed this autopsy report, on page 3 of the six-page autopsy report. Everybody was making a big deal about there was this cut on Trayvon`s finger. The autopsy report lists it as a quarter inch by eight inch small abrasion. That`s all the autopsy report and it says no other injuries except for the penetrating gunshot wound to the chest.

So, if he was defending himself he has one little tiny abrasion, small abrasion on one finger. So I`m not sure that it`s as big a deal as everybody is making it. If he defended himself by hitting back, ok. But if he was pummeling this guy there would be a lot of blood on his hands and there would be a lot more injury than just a small abrasion.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, then how do you account for George Zimmerman`s apparent broken nose, according to the medical report and these photographs and the lacerations on the back of his head?

HUGHES: Well, Jane, what I find interesting is he didn`t go to the hospital. He was asked by the paramedics on two separate occasions: once before they transported him, and then again the police officers asked him in the car that night, do you want to go seek assistance, medical assistance? Do you want to take, you know, us to take you to the hospital now. And he kept refusing and refusing. So we see a medical report that`s done the next day.

I`m not accusing George Zimmerman of self-inflicting these but I do find it suspicious that all these injuries aren`t showing up until the next day and that`s when he goes to the doctor. His doctor says I think you should do a follow-up with an ear, nose and throat specialist to see if this is really a severe injury to your nose and George Zimmerman doesn`t do it. Once again, he doesn`t follow up. He doesn`t go find out if this is really a broken nose.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Another big issue is who yelled for help in that 911 call? Now, first, let`s listen to it and you can hear it for yourself.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does he look hurt to you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can`t see him. I don`t want to go out there. I don`t know what`s going on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Somebody`s calling for help.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re sending --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Help.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you think he`s yelling "help"?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right, what is your --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now it`s my understanding that the authorities could not determine who was yelling on that tape, but George Zimmerman`s father told police he`s certain who yelled for help.

Let`s listen to this newly released audio tape of George Zimmerman`s father.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

ROBERT ZIMMERMAN SR., GEORGE ZIMMERMAN`S FATHER: The 911 and the other tapes were played for the Martin family. And they identified that as their son crying for help.

That is absolutely, positively George Zimmerman. Myself, my wife, family members and friends know that that is George Zimmerman. There is no doubt who is yelling for help.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. So George Zimmerman`s dad is saying that`s George, but listen, his friends and family are obviously going say it`s George Zimmerman. This is a crucial issue here.

Midwin Charles, I can`t hear -- I couldn`t identify -- it`s one little -- it`s a guttural scream. How can anybody say who issued? The experts themselves said they couldn`t.

MIDWIN CHARLES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right. And it`s a bit of those inaudible sounds where you can barely even make out the word "help". The 911 operator even had to ask the witness, "Did he just yell for help?" Even her, herself, doesn`t -- you know, she wasn`t sure, so how can you readily identify who that voice belongs to?

You just can`t tell exactly who said it, at least not yet. And of course, Robert Zimmerman is going to say that that`s his son because it`s helpful to his son`s case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Larry Kobilinsky, as we listen to this evidence and parse it, it seems that so much of it -- it`s like (inaudible), everybody is looking at it from a different perspective. Does it really quantify anything or is it just sort of fodder for conversation?

KOBILINSKY: Here`s my thinking on this, Jane. We only have one voice here. Unfortunately Trayvon Martin can`t speak, but the one voice we hear is George Zimmerman. And for me, as a forensic scientist, what I would like to do is look at the physical evidence and see if it`s consistent with his story or inconsistent. I think that is an important factor. It`s not the totality of this case.

Obviously there are other things, eyewitness testimony, et cetera. But so far, the medical, the physical evidence is consistent with the story that George Zimmerman tells and I think that`s important to note.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that could be a problem then for prosecutors.

KOBILINSKY: I do think that this release of information badly weakens the prosecutor`s case. Still and all, we don`t know who started this fight.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Natalie Jackson, you heard Larry Kobilinsky, forensic scientist. Do you agree that this massive release of evidence hurts the state`s case against George Zimmerman?

NATALIE JACKSON, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN`S FAMILY (via telephone): I did hear him and I respect what he`s saying but I disagree with him. Well, he kind of agrees with me a little bit. It comes down to George Zimmerman`s credibility and what George Zimmerman says. There are inconsistent statements about this incident coming from George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman`s own words in the end will show that Trayvon Martin was acting defensively.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, in one instance, the state`s evidence seems to directly contradict itself. This is the key piece of evidence, the gunshot; how far George Zimmerman was from Trayvon when he fired the gun. Here`s the issue. Lab tests by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement state, "Residue had physical effects consistent with a contact shot." The autopsy, however, concludes the fatal blow was quote, "consistent with intermediate range".

So those are two different things. So I have to go back Larry Kobilinsky, you`ve got a little tape measure there to illustrate this. Show us the tape measure and tell us why these are such contradicting statements within the reports themselves.

KOBILINSKY: Jane, the contradiction is simply that there are two different kinds of analysis. The ballistics people are looking at the clothing. They`re the ones that indicated -- they did test fires and what not, and indicated it appeared to be a contact shot just looking at the clothing.

The pathologist looking at the body, declared this to be an intermediate range shot. Of the two, we have to trust the pathologist.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What`s the difference.

KOBILINSKY: The difference is if it`s a closed-in shot it`s between 0 and 6 inches. That is approximately that level. A contact shot is when the muzzle is abutted right up against the skin.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Meaning -- boom.

KOBILINSKY: Right. Now, an intermediate shot is any place from six inches all the way up to about 18 inches. So that`s about that distance. Now, again, it`s hard on the air to see this but it`s consistent with a fight, a scuffle.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow. Well, I think that`s going to be really crucial. Again, nothing is clear here. It`s all open to interpretation.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Puzzler on May 19, 2012, 10:25:42 AM
Do we have any idea how close to Zimmerman's car the fight occurred?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: KittyMom on May 19, 2012, 10:51:47 AM
I don't understand why folks continue to believe that GZ was still following TM?  The 911 operator asks if he's following, he responds affirmative, and he's told he doesn't need to do that.  He tells LE that he then turned to make his way back to his car.  Why not believe him about this? 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: KittyMom on May 19, 2012, 11:10:51 AM
Unfortunately, it's a very common misconception, and this lady doesn't sound like she has much experience handling firearms.  Shooting schools teach if you are in fear for your life and need to defend yourself, you draw your firearm and you aim for mass.  They don't teach shooting at arms and legs.  You may only get one shot. 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-witness-believes-intended-kid-die/story?id=16380864
Trayvon Martin Witness Believes 'He Intended for This Kid to Die'
May 18, 2012

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The woman told police that Zimmerman, 28, examined Martin's body as he slowly paced back and forth when the police arrived. She watched as they checked the teen's body and turned him over, eventually starting CPR. But he was already dead for five or 10 minutes, she said.

"I do honestly feel that he intended for this kid to die," witness 5 told investigators. "If you're in self defense, shoot him in the leg. He's a 17-year-old, scrawny little kid. You get into a physical fight with him. ... I think the kid was running for help."
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You are absolutely correct, MuffyBee.

If you are pinned to the ground, being beaten up, in the fight for your life, wrestling over your gun, you are just going to shoot, you don't have time (or probably the thought) to look for a less fatal target.

Trayvon was not "a scrawny little kid".  Not only was he a lot taller than Zimmerman, his arms were a lot longer, giving Trayvon a considerable "reach" advantage.  (Look at boxers)

The "kid" was not "running for help".

Geez! And this woman is a witness?
Me thinks this witness is caving or thinking of dollar signs.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: KittyMom on May 19, 2012, 11:11:43 AM
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/video-showing-teen-encouraging-others-fight-was-no/nN854/
Video showing teen encouraging others to fight was not Trayvon Martin, brother says

Where is this video?  I'd like to judge for myself.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on May 19, 2012, 11:26:02 AM
Even a state lawmaker, concerned about “black youths” who are “terrorizing” Baltimore’s upscale Inner Harbor, wants the governor to send in state troopers to make the area safe.

Call for crackdown on black-on-white terror http://bit.ly/Ki3ZOR


   



The above article does outline one of the core issues with racism and profiling.  Until black Americans accept responsibility for their culture of violence, profiling will never end.  IMO Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson should be touring and speaking about this very thing and allow white people to handle their own issues of how we percieve black Americans. 

Too much finger pointing and not enough taking responsibility.

However, I absolutely do not believe Trayvon Martin was a thug.  I believe he was murdered.  I guess we'll know more as the facts are released.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on May 19, 2012, 11:35:25 AM
I don't understand why folks continue to believe that GZ was still following TM?  The 911 operator asks if he's following, he responds affirmative, and he's told he doesn't need to do that.  He tells LE that he then turned to make his way back to his car.  Why not believe him about this? 

There is a map that shows where GZ's truck is parked and where the altercation took place.  One could easily surmise based on those locations that Trayvon was on his way home and GZ was in pursuit.  It would be difficult to imagine that George turned back from the chase based on the location, as well.  I'm on my way to a Lacrosse game but I will post a link to the map when I get back.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 19, 2012, 02:12:39 PM
George Zimmerman: Angela Corey needs her head examined

Talk about ironic timing. Special Prosecutor Angela Corey late Friday came out strongly against public records.

"The public's right to know should never trump the state's right to a fair trial or especially the defendant's right to a fair trial," Corey said at a civic forum in Jacksonville.

Her comments came a day after a mound of evidence in the George Zimmerman case was released. Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin.

Corey bemoaned misinformation in the media and on the Internet about the case. But the document release Thursday provided more details and added to the public's understanding.

Corey's comments were self-serving. The document release actually seemed to help Zimmerman's case, many analysts have said, because photographs documented his injuries the night of the shooting.

Corey's comments raise a crucial question: Just how good is her case?

There needs to be more transparency, not less, about this high-profile case that has produced headlines worldwide. Benjamin Crump, an attorney for the Martin family, has praised the media bringing attention to the teen's fatal shooting.

What is Corey's solution to curbing pretrial publicity? "I would say that nothing should be public until the trial comes," Corey told the forum.

I think she needs to have her head examined. She also sounds awfully defensive.  ::snipping2:: 

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-19/entertainment/os-george-zimmerman-angela-corey-20120519_1_fatal-shooting-special-prosecutor-angela-corey-civic-forum


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 19, 2012, 04:13:53 PM
http://daltondailycitizen.com/news_tab3/x915983425/Amid-evidence-cache-in-Martin-case-questions-nag

May 19, 2012
Amid evidence cache in Martin case, questions nag

 ::snipping2::
The girl, whose name was redacted from the released audio files, spoke with assistant state attorney Bernie De la Rionda on April 2. During the 22-minute interview, she said in a shaking voice that she had been talking with Martin since before he entered a 7-Eleven store to purchase his now famous iced tea and Skittles.

The cell connection was bad, and the couple were repeatedly disconnected. But at one point, Martin told her he noticed a white man sitting in a car, watching him.

“He was telling me, like, that man watching him, he going to start walking and then the phone hung up and I called him back again,” the girl said. “And I said, ‘What you doing? And he said he walking and he said this man still following him.”

It was drizzling, and the girl said Martin told her he was putting up his hood.

“I told him go to his dad’s house,” she said.

Martin told her that he was going to run. She could hear the wind blowing in the phone’s speaker.

“He was breathing hard,” she said. “(his) voice kinda changed. I know he was scared. (his) voice was getting kinda low.”

Suddenly, she heard Martin say, “Why you following me for?”

The girl said she could hear another voice, one she described as deep and belonging to an “old man.”

“The old man say, ‘What you doing around here?”’

She asked Martin repeatedly what was going on, but he didn’t respond. She said she heard someone say, “Get off,” though she thought it was her boyfriend.

She heard rustling, then nothing. No screaming, no gunshot.

The evidence dump included another interview with the girl, but the audio quality is so poor as to make it almost unintelligible. One thing that did come through: A detective mentioned that the girlfriend called Martin at 7:12 p.m.

When police arrived at the scene at 7:17 p.m., Martin was already shot and on the ground.

“She’s the only person, for sure, that is a witness who knows what he (Martin) felt and sounded like in those moments,” Lave says of the girlfriend. “All those things can play a role in the outcome of the case.”

But there are gaps in the file no one can fill.

Martin can’t describe his feelings that evening — whether he was angry, afraid, both.

Zimmerman — who has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder and is in hiding — could testify to his own state of mind. But would people believe anything he says?
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Blonde on May 19, 2012, 07:48:29 PM
Trayvon Martin Witness Believes 'He Intended for This Kid to Die'

A closer look at the witness statements and audio testimony taken in the immediate aftermath Trayvon Martin's death provides the first insight into George Zimmerman's behavior after he shot the unarmed teen.

A man listed as witness 13 was one of the first people to approach Zimmerman minutes after the shooting. He saw him bleeding from the back of the head and nose. Zimmerman asked the unidentified man to call his wife for him.

"Let her know what's happening, been involved in a shooting and will be held for questioning," the witness told the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. "He was more like, talking like he was having a hard time, looked like he just got his butt whipped ... not like he was in shock, not like, 'I can't believe I just shot someone,' but like, 'Just tell my wife I just shot someone,' like it was nothing."  ::snipping2::
Police said the witness elaborated by saying the black man was mounted on Zimmerman and throwing punches "MMA" style, meaning mixed martial arts style. The witness stated that the man on the ground yelled out for help.

Witness 6 said he was going to call for police when he heard the "pop" of Zimmerman's gun.

"When I looked down, I saw the person that was on top was laying in my grass in a sprawled position," witness said. "Saw another guy with his hands in the air, saying, 'The gun's on the ground, I shot this guy in self-defense.'"


http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-witness-believes-intended-kid-die/story?id=16380864&page=2#.T7gvv1LNka8


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 19, 2012, 08:42:29 PM
Evidence against Zimmerman lacking on key issue


The stack of evidence released Thursday in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman is notable, legal experts say, for what’s not in it: firm evidence that Zimmerman acted with malice when he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

Special prosecutor Angela Corey filed a second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman last month, alleging that Zimmerman, a neighborhood crime-watch volunteer, acted with ill will when he shot Martin, a black teen, following a Feb. 26 scuffle behind some townhouses in a gated community in Sanford, where Martin was staying with his father.

But analysts say the evidence released thus far contains little information to support the prosecutor’s contention that Zimmerman acted with a “depraved mind” when he shot Trayvon — a standard the prosecution must meet if the murder charge is to stand.

“I still don’t see any evidence yet of the elements of second-degree murder,” said Miami defense attorney John Priovolos, a former prosecutor. The special prosecutor “has to prove ill will, hatred or spite. I don’t see any evidence of his state of mind,” he said.

The new evidence also includes photos of injuries to Zimmerman that could bolster his self-defense claims, and statements from witnesses that appear to contradict some key conclusions made by investigators in an affidavit supporting Zimmerman’s arrest.

The new information “tends to support what Zimmerman is saying, that he was being assaulted,” said former Miami-Dade prosecutor David Waksman.

“This case was never a second-degree murder case,” said longtime Miami defense lawyer Jeffrey Weiner. “If anything, it was an over-reaction in a self-defense situation.”

Zimmerman was monitoring his neighborhood on a rainy evening when he first noticed Trayvon walking behind a row of homes on his way to his father’s apartment. Zimmerman called the police to report a “suspicious guy” — the kind of complaint Zimmerman made routinely in his role as neighborhood watchman.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/19/v-fullstory/2806555/evidence-against-zimmerman-lacking.html#storylink=cpy


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 19, 2012, 09:30:17 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-19/news/os-trayvon-martin-beth-kassab-052012-20120518_1_manslaughter-charge-murder-charge-evidence

Zimmerman murder case looks like long shot
4:30 p.m. EST, May 19, 2012|Beth Kassab, Local News Columnist

Unless Angela Corey has something she's not telling us, her second-degree-murder case against George Zimmerman is looking more and more like a long shot.

The special prosecutor assigned to investigate the death of Trayvon Martin released hundreds of pages of evidence last week.

But any expectation of a bombshell to explain her reason for filing a murder charge — which comes with a much higher burden of proof than a manslaughter charge — was short-lived.
 ::snipping2::
The documents failed to answer the case's biggest questions: Who started the fight between Zimmerman and Trayvon? And whose voice was heard screaming for help on a 911 call?

None of the witnesses saw the entire confrontation between the two, or who threw the first punch.

The evidence does, however, support Zimmerman's claim that he was assaulted by Trayvon — whether Zimmerman started it or not.

Photos of Zimmerman's bloodied head and swollen nose show he was injured.

On the other hand, Trayvon's autopsy report showed no sign of bruising or other injuries that would indicate he was punched by the Neighborhood Watch leader.

That only further serves to bolster Zimmerman's claim that Trayvon went after him and that he shot Trayvon in self-defense.

It can't be good for Corey when her discovery documents appear to strengthen the defendant's case more than her own.

The best piece of evidence for the prosecutor is something we already knew but was explicitly stated in a Sanford police report: Trayvon's death was "ultimately avoidable" if Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle and waited for law enforcement to arrive.

Police, who recommended Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter, also affirmed, "There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter."

But getting out of your vehicle isn't a crime. Neither is following someone on foot.

And that's the rub of this entire case: George Zimmerman's judgment.
::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 19, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/19/zimmerman_prosecutor.html

George Zimmerman prosecutor: Wait for all the evidence
Last Updated: Saturday, May 19, 2012

SANFORD --
Could George Zimmerman win with his plea of not guilty of second-degree murder for shooting Trayvon Martin?
 
With the release of new evidence Thursday, including surveillance video and medical records, it could be more fuel for his defense.
 
But state Attorney Angela Corey warned: Not so fast.
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 VIEW DOCUMENTS: See all the evidence released Thursday.
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Corey said the public doesn't know everything prosecutors know just yet.
 
According to state law, the evidence must be released to the public 15 days after George Zimmerman's attorney served Corey with a demand for discovery.
 
The deadline was Thursday, and around 5 p.m., the public found out nearly 200 pages' worth of new information, such as:

Zimmerman had gone to the hospital, and was treated for injuries, and
 
Trayvon Martin had THC in his blood, an active ingredient found in marijuana.
 
Still, Corey said the public doesn't know the whole picture yet, adding the state needs to tighten its public records laws.
 
"There's a lot that we cannot release by law, and so we're still asking people to wait and look at all of the evidence," said Corey. "We've been asking that from the beginning, but nobody seems to want to do that."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 19, 2012, 10:40:55 PM
A five-page article with "Graphic: The neighborhood where Trayvon Martin was killed."  The approx. locations of Zimmerman's truck and were Martin's body was found are shown in the graphic.

Trayvon Martin case 911 call: Two experts reach two much different conclusions
Saturday, May 19, 7:44 PM


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 19, 2012, 10:42:45 PM
A five-page article with "Graphic: The neighborhood where Trayvon Martin was killed."  The approx. locations of Zimmerman's truck and were Martin's body was found are shown in the graphic.

Trayvon Martin case 911 call: Two experts reach two much different conclusions
Saturday, May 19, 7:44 PM


http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/trayvon-martin-case-911-call-two-experts-reach-two-much-different-conclusions/2012/05/19/gIQAtuapbU_story.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: KittyMom on May 19, 2012, 11:38:02 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/video-showing-teen-encouraging-others-fight-was-no/nN854/
Video showing teen encouraging others to fight was not Trayvon Martin, brother says

Where is this video?  I'd like to judge for myself.

Bumping to ask.... has an monkey seen this video?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 20, 2012, 01:52:49 AM
At the link -- This might be the fight video

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/19/trayvons-fight-club-the-inconvienient-truth/

Trayvon’s Fight Club – The Inconvenient Truth
Posted on May 19, 2012


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: sharon on May 20, 2012, 07:52:28 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-18/news/os-trayvon-martin-evidence-witness6-20120518_1_key-witness-ground-dog-fight

Key witness in Trayvon Martin shooting: I'm no longer sure Zimmerman was crying for help

By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel


One of the most important eye-witnesses to the Trayvon Martin shooting, a neighbor who told police Trayvon was straddling George Zimmerman, pinning him to the ground, changed his story once prosecutors took control of the case.

The man, identified in prosecution documents as "Witness 6," originally said Zimmerman was the person screaming for help as he fought with the unarmed 17-year-old from Miami Gardens.

But a few weeks later, on March 20, while sitting for a follow-up interview by a Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigator the witness said he was no longer sure who was calling for help.

"At first, I thought it was the person on the ground, just because, you know, me thinking rationally, if someone was on top, the person on the bottom would be yelling," he said.

Now, though, he said, "I truly can't tell who, after thinking about it, was yelling for help just because it was so dark out on that sidewalk. You can't see a mouth …"

The witness did not, however, change his account that Trayvon was the one on top as he and Zimmerman fought. He identified both combatants by skin color and by the color of their clothes, although he described Zimmerman's orange jacket as red, and Trayvon's dark gray hoodie as black.

 ::snipping2:: ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: sharon on May 20, 2012, 07:58:32 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/18/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-evidence_n_1528268.html

Trayvon Martin Case: George Zimmerman Made Racist Remarks At Work (LISTEN)

The Huffington Post  |  By Danielle Cadet Posted: 05/18/2012 4:46 pm

Within a collection of evidence officially released by the State Attorney's Office on Thursday, was an audio recording of a 15-minute interview with George Zimmerman's former co-worker. During the interview, the man, whose name was not given, says that Zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work, ThinkProgress.com reports.

According to the witness, Zimmerman singled him out because he was Middle Eastern, calling him a "f***ing moron" and mocking him with the voice of "Achmed the terrorist." He said Zimmerman would also tell stories and make jokes about "bombing" and other "Middle Eastern stuff."

Editor's Note: Some readers may find the language in this audio offensive.

LISTEN:

 ::snipping2:: ::snipping2::

Complaints about Zimmerman's behavior aren't new. In the past, his neighbors complained about his aggressive tactics as a neighborhood watchmen and public records show he was arrested in Orange County in 2005 on charges of resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer.

Since his arrest, Zimmerman has been released on bond. The case is expected to go to trial.
Trayvon Martin evidence





Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: sharon on May 20, 2012, 09:58:57 AM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/17/2804894/cries-in-the-night-witnesses-conflict.html#moreb

Cries in the night: Witness conflict about what happened in Trayvon Martin case
 
Witness accounts released Thursday offer a portrait of George Zimmerman moments after the shooting of Miami Gardens teen Trayvon Martin.

BY MARC CAPUTO, ANDRES VIGLUCCI AND DAVID SMILEY
mcaputo@MiamiHerald.com

At first, the howling in the dark sounded like a dogfight. Then came cries.

“Help! Help! Help!”

No one knows who was crying out.

 ::snipping2::

One man peeked through his door. At first, he said, he thought the dispute was far away. But the yelling and fighting got louder and closer to his home. When he looked outside, he saw Trayvon and Zimmerman fighting as if they were in mixed martial-arts combat.

Trayvon appeared to be on top.

“Hey, cut it out!” the witness said he yelled.

The two kept fighting. So he ducked inside to call 911.

And then, a shot. Zimmerman’s .9 millimeter handgun fired.

“It sounded like a rock hit a window,” the witness said. “I’ve never heard a gunshot before.”

He looked outside.

“The person that was actually on top at that point was laying in my grass, kind of in a sprawled position — not moving,” he said. “And then I saw another person with his hands in the air.”

That was Zimmerman.

Flashlights from neighbors began to illuminate bits of the night. Police were en route. Zimmerman stood over Trayvon.

“The gun’s on the ground,” Zimmerman said, according to the witness. “I shot this guy in self-defense.”

They appear to be his first words after the shooting.


 ::snipping2::


Zimmerman: “Ah, man this guy he was beating up on me so I had to shoot him." The witness asked what kind of gun Zimmerman shot.

“Did you use a 9 [mm] or a .40?" he asked.

Zimmerman: “I used a 9.” Witness: “Did you call 911 yet?”

Zimmerman squatted down and, the witness said, he could see “blood on the back of his head, grass stains. And by that time I flashed my light down. And there was this kid face down in the grass.”

“Can you please call my wife,” Zimmerman reportedly asked him, the witness said in a follow-up interview a month later. “Let her know what happened.”

The witness complied, called Mrs. Zimmerman and told her that her husband was handcuffed and being held in a shooting. Zimmerman apparently chimed in.

“Just tell her I shot somebody,” the witness said Zimmerman told him.

A Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigator asked the witness later about Zimmerman’s demeanor when he said he’d shot someone. The witness described it as “just quick get-to-the-point-type talk… Almost like, he just did it. Not like he was in shock. Not like: ‘I can’t believe I just shot somebody.’ It was more like: ‘Just tell my wife I shot somebody.’ Like it was nothing.”

Another witness in the subdivision told Sanford Police she believed Zimmerman misjudged Trayvon. “I think he has a temper and I think he got the crap beat out of him. He thought he could take this little 17-year old, and I think maybe he did in self defense, maybe shoot him once, but from what I am being told there was two fires… and the only one that we saw was the one that laid the kid out and killed him."

Another witness, contradicting the first, said she believed Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon when she peeked.

“First we heard like a howling sound,” she said. “And then the second time we heard a more-clearly ‘help’ sound.”

She said she couldn’t tell who was crying out.

“At first I couldn’t see anything. It was dark,” she said. “The second time I looked — I looked so many times outside I don’t know which one was which … What I remember is, it was too dark. And then a guy was on top of another guy — and the shot.”

Though she couldn’t describe the men’s faces, she was able to recall their physiques: “I know after seeing the TV of what’s happening — comparing their pictures — I think Zimmerman is definitely on top because of his size.”

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on May 20, 2012, 01:14:01 PM
I've been sitting here reading all the posts in sheer abject amazement over the volume of hypocrisy, distortion, and ambiguity  of this entire case.  Now both sides are trying to take a grainy 911 recording and convince others as to what it does and does not contain.

With so many "witnesses" shouting into the dark at the 2 brawlers, what if the 911 tape picked up some of those voices and actions?  Virtually, anything could or could not be on that tape. 

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Red on May 20, 2012, 02:14:50 PM
Alan Dershowitz Says It’s Time To Drop Second Degree Murder Charges Against George Zimmerman in Death of Trayvon Martin

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/05/20/alan-dershowitz-says-its-time-to-drop-second-degree-murder-charges-against-george-zimmerman-in-death-of-trayvon-martin/

Reasonable doubt = reasonable self defense.

Quote
Self-defense vs. Second degree murder …

Famed Harvard Law School professor Alan Dershowitz says, it is time for the special prosecutor, State Attorney Angela Corey, to drop the second degree murder charges against George Zimmerman in the death of Trayvon Martin if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally. Dershowitz stated that if the evidence of the doctors reports of Zimmerman having a fractured nose, two black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head and a back injury on the day after the fatal shooting are valid, prosecutors will have no choice but to drop the second degree murder charges.

There is, of course, no assurance that the special prosecutor handling the case, State Attorney Angela Corey, will do the right thing. Because until now, her actions have been anything but ethical, lawful and professional.

She was aware when she submitted an affidavit that it did not contain the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. She deliberately withheld evidence that supported Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense. The New York Times has reported that the police had “a full face picture” of Zimmerman, before paramedics treated him, that showed “a bloodied nose.” The prosecutor also had photographic evidence of bruises to the back of his head.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 20, 2012, 05:53:43 PM
Trayvon Martin's mother speaks at Baltimore's Empowerment Temple

Trayvon Martin's mother Sybrina Fulton on Sunday morning emotionally addressed Baltimore's Empowerment Temple, the church of the Rev. Jamal Bryant who has been at her side as national outcry has built over her son's death.

"It's so easy for me to cry right now but I can't because I have work to do," she told the congregation. "I was forced into this position, but I believe God is using me."

Martin, 17, was shot to death in February in Sanford, Fla., returning home after a trip to get snacks at a 7-Eleven. A neighborhood watchman named Geroge Zimmerman who shot Martin, though not initially charged with a crime, now faces a second-degree murder charge.

Fulton, wearing a gray cocktail suit with sparkling buttons, said the support of people like those at Empowerment Temple has helped to keep her going.  ::snipping2:: ::snipping2::

http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/baltimore-insider-blog/bal-trayvon-martins-mother-speaks-at-baltimores-empowerment-temple-20120520,0,6419681.story


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 20, 2012, 07:03:15 PM

https://twitter.com/#!/marknejame (https://twitter.com/#!/marknejame)


gerard brennan ‏@gerard_brennan

@MarkNeJame THX. I've heard about GZs conflicting statements but have yet to see them. keeping my eyes peeled though....
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19 May Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@gerard_brennan Want to see #georgezimmerman #zimmerman prior statements to evaluate if consistent or not. Too much misinformation out there
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18 May Liz Papa Liz Papa ‏@santa2ndfl

@MarkNeJame they can't use all they r saying about #Zimmerman in trial then leak stuff in #Trayvons #defence even if cant B used!
19 May Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@santa2ndfl State has 1st discovery re investigation so usually leaked by them. Defense can leak matters but usually from others not police
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Rock of NH ‏@AgRockB
@MarkNeJame Thx for taking questions. What is racial profiling?
19 May Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@AgRockB Racial profiling is when a person is presumed to be a suspect of criminal conduct for the reason of their color.Improper for police
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18 May Anna362 Anna362 ‏@AnnaNanna6

@MarkNeJame Just seems strange TM G/F said nothing/called no one, not even 911.Then speaks to Crump.Now says she can hear grass on phone.
18 May Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@AnnaNanna6 Ur points r exactly why depositions, review of discovery & conducting investigations r so imp. B4 ppl jump to conclusions. @cnn
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18 May gerard brennan gerard brennan ‏@gerard_brennan

@MarkNeJame THX. Q1: would the Defense have to agree to a lesser included offered by DA? Q2: will there definitely B a pretrial SYG hearing?
18 May Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@gerard_brennan Fully expect SYG hearing.Could be dispositive.Risk for defense is exposes #georgezimmerman to cross & conflicting statements
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gerard brennan ‏@gerard_brennan

@MarkNeJame seems more like a one way attack. injuries, eyewitness, etc. U let HollyHughs intimate zimmerman's injuries were self inflicted
18 May Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@gerard_brennan Can't help it if someone takes such an absurd quantum leap into the ludicrous. Of course the injuries weren't self inflicted
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Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

Welcome debate,disagreement, discussions, questions & thoughts so long as civil. Profane, rude or name calling is unwelcome & block U I will

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Patty Johnson ‏@pattymariej

@MarkNeJame Obama injected himself in this case during initial media hype and thwarted due process for GZ, an Amer. citizen, boggles my mind
18 May Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@pattymariej Disappointed in the Pres. myself.Due process necessitates fair consideration. 1 thing to comment after discovery but b4? Wrong
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18 May Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame
Trouble for defense1) #georgezimmerman different statements 2)overcome public belief he shouldn't left car 3)#trayvonmartin not commit crime

Barbara Turpin ‏@bosilady

@MarkNeJame: Another Anthony saga. (we talked about this before) I don't live in FL, but seems they overcharge in high profile cases.
18 May Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@bosilady Overcharging often backfires. Have won many cases when they did. State thinks it will scare defendant into compliance. Dangerous.
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18 May Jerry Brunet Jerry Brunet ‏@JBinRC

@wishladya @seanlamontlove @MarkNeJame If GZ thought his brains were about to leave his head (death), self-defense JUSTIFIED. Simple
18 May Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@JBinRC Trouble for State1) prove racism/depravity 2)Stand Your Ground 3)self-defense 4) #trayvonmartin not here to refute #georgezimmerman
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8 May gerard brennan gerard brennan ‏@gerard_brennan

@MarkNeJame what happened 2U? mutual combat? RU trying not to ruffle feathers? I want the old NeJame back. Please refute the nonsense


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18 May Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame

@gerard_brennan Haven't changed. Mutual combat doesn't address who started, merely that they were violently engaged,which they were. Better?
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 20, 2012, 09:15:05 PM
Trayvon Martin's mother gets an ovation at Balto. church

As Trayvon Martin's mother stood at the altar of Baltimore's Empowerment Temple on Sunday, the Rev. Jamal-Harrison Bryant asked for anyone whose child had also been the victim of "senseless violence" to come forward.

At least a dozen women and men assembled at Sybrina Fulton's feet before she stepped down to grab one of them. She squeezed the woman, patted her back and whispered in her ear. Then Fulton moved down the line, tightly embracing each mother, grandmother and father, each of them too familiar with loss, until she'd touched them all.

Congregants erupted into deafening applause and brushed away tears.

"If it was your child you would not want it swept under the rug," Bryant said, his voice booming through the sound system. "Cheer for them like their child's memory will not be in vain."

Earlier Fulton told the congregation that she was visiting the mega-church to see some of the thousands who have stood with her family to demand justice for her son, who was fatally shot in Florida this winter. Thousands nationwide have rallied to the cause.

Few supporters have been more forceful — or more present — than the church's pastor, Bryant, who has been at Fulton's side since shortly after Martin's death.  ::snipping2::

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-ae-trayvon-mother-20120520,0,6173169.story


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: TURBOTHINK on May 21, 2012, 01:55:25 AM
Things just keep coming out on Trayvon Martin.

NEWLY DISCOVERED VIDEO Previously Scrubbed From YouTube Shows Trayvon Martin Participating in Local Fight Club | The Gateway Pundit http://bit.ly/Jf4B7L


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: TURBOTHINK on May 21, 2012, 02:03:59 AM
Do we have any idea how close to Zimmerman's car the fight occurred?

From what I have read it was right beside it with only the sidewalk between it and them. One witness said Z was walking toward his vehicle when hit from behind by the Martin kid. I am guessing that is how he got knocked to the ground because he was caught unaware.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: TURBOTHINK on May 21, 2012, 02:17:20 AM
The prosecutor in the George Zimmerman case should be disbarred.  http://bit.ly/JHXlpw

The prosecutor in the George Zimmerman case should be disbarred.

Angela Corey, the prosecutor in the George Zimmerman case in Florida should be disbarred.  Her conduct in this case has been so outrageous that no penalty short of her losing her law license is sufficient.

What has she done?

She filed Second Degree Murder charges against George Zimmerman in the shooting of Trayvon Martin.  The problem with that is all of the evidence points not to a second-degree murder charge, but all of the evidence points to the fact that George Zimmerman acted in self-defense.  

The most important facts of the case seem to be not in dispute.  George Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch captain because his neighborhood had been hit by a lot of crime.  He saw Trayvon Martin, called into 911 and reported him.  There was later a confrontation and Martin ended up dead.

George Zimmerman claims that Trayvon Martin attacked him.  The witnesses and the scientific evidence all support that claim.   One witness says he saw Trayvon Martin on top of George Zimmerman straddling him, punching him “MMA style.”

The autopsy report indicates a close but not a contact wound.  A contact wound is where a gun is placed next to the skin and fired.  A close wound is within a foot, where stippling, the hot debris, such as burning gunpowder will hit either clothing or skin.   The entry wound is on his left side of his chest, consistent with Zimmerman being right handed and shooting Martin.

The autopsy report also shows injuries to Martin’s knuckles.

The witness who saw Martin straddling Zimmerman also saw blood coming from Zimmerman’s nose and the back of his head and several photos have been released showing the bloodied back of George Zimmerman’s head.

 ::snipping2::
There is simply no way this prosecutor can claim there is probable cause to believe George Zimmerman committed a second degree murder.

When Angela Corey held her press conference announcing the charges against Zimmerman, she said her office cared only about “seeking justice for Trayvon Martin’s family.”

Seeking justice for the Martin family is the job of the family attorney.   Seeking justice for George Zimmerman is the job of his attorney.  The prosecuting attorney’s job is to seek justice, period.

At that press conference, she announced that she did not charge cases based on public pressure.  That is exactly what she did.

 ::snipping2::

The reason the American justice system works is because we the people can believe in the fairness of it.  Prosecutions are not undertaken to attack political opponents nor are they motivated by political or public pressure.

Yet that is exactly what has happened here.

The prosecuting attorney is the most powerful elected official in an area.  He or she can cause a person’s life to be destroyed and even be sent to prison for a long period of time.

In the United States, our founding fathers were so afraid of an out of control government prosecuting its citizens, four of the ten amendments of the bill of rights offer protections against unfair prosecution.

Fortunately in America, unfair prosecutions are rare.  This prosecution is not only unfair it is very political in nature.  The prosecuting attorney, Angela Corey is up for reelection this fall. The voters of Florida’s Fourth Judicial District should send a very clear message and vote her out of office.

When this case is finally resolved and the charges against George Zimmerman are dismissed, the Florida Supreme Court should disbar Angela Corey.

There are several levels of attorney discipline, ranging from admonition to censuring to suspension to disbarment.  When an attorney is disbarred, they either can never practice law again or after a period of time, if they can show the state supreme court they are a changed person, they can be allowed to sit for the bar exam again.

For prosecuting a man based on public pressure and bringing charges that even a first year law student could tell will never be sustained, Angela Corey should be disbarred.

Edit to snip article.  We can only post the link and partial article.  MB


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 21, 2012, 11:00:43 AM
Family of Trayvon Martin to speak at anti-gun violence rally Friday in ESL


East St. Louis native Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, parents of Trayvon Martin, and Trayvon’s older brother Jahvaris Fulton, will speak in East St. Louis (IL) on May 25th. The family will address the public during the “STOP THE VIOLENCE NOW –THE SENSELESS USE OF GUNS MUST CEASE: We Refuse to Remain Hostage to Crime!!!” Bi-state Youth & Community Rally, set for noon at North End Missionary Baptist Church, located at 463 N. 88th St. in East St. Louis.

Tracy Martin, graduate of East St. Louis Senior High School (1986), and Sybrina Fulton were thrust into the national spotlight when they tragically loss their son Trayvon to gun violence on Feb. 26.

All concerned Metro East and Greater St. Louis area community members can join Tracy, Sybrina and Jahvaris on Friday afternoon to take a stand against violence. Most fittingly, family members of Trayvon Martin will use the urban backdrop of East St. Louis to speak against violence and to plead with local youth to stop using guns senselessly.

Martin and Fulton say that they understand the heartache associated with the sudden loss of a child and want to encourage community members of Tracy’s hometown to remain vigilant against crime. As parents, they want to join Jahvaris in pleading with local youth to “STOP THE VIOLENCE NOW,” and to urge them to find other ways to solve their differences.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.stlamerican.com/news/local_news/article_351cb5b2-a34c-11e1-bfcb-001a4bcf887a.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 21, 2012, 11:07:16 AM
Trayvon Martin case lacks malice

MIAMI -- The stack of evidence released last week in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman is notable, legal experts say, for what's not in it: firm evidence that Mr. Zimmerman acted with malice when he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

Special prosecutor Angela Corey charged Mr. Zimmerman last month, alleging that Mr. Zimmerman, a neighborhood crime-watch volunteer, acted with ill will when he shot Trayvon, who was black, after a Feb. 26 scuffle behind some townhouses in a gated community in Sanford, Fla., where Trayvon was staying with his father.

But analysts say the evidence released so far contains little information to support the prosecutor's contention that Mr. Zimmerman acted with a "depraved mind" when he shot Trayvon -- a standard the prosecution must meet if the murder charge is to stand.

"I still don't see any evidence yet of the elements of second-degree murder," said Miami defense attorney John Priovolos, a former prosecutor. The special prosecutor "has to prove ill will, hatred or spite. I don't see any evidence of his state of mind," he said.

The new evidence also includes photos of injuries to Mr. Zimmerman that could bolster his self-defense claims, and statements from witnesses that appear to contradict some key conclusions made by investigators in an affidavit supporting Mr. Zimmerman's arrest.

The new information "tends to support what Zimmerman is saying, that he was being assaulted," former Miami-Dade prosecutor David Waksman said.

"This case was never a second-degree murder case," longtime Miami defense lawyer Jeffrey Weiner said. "If anything, it was an over-reaction in a self-defense situation."

Mr. Zimmerman was monitoring his neighborhood on a rainy evening when he first noticed Trayvon walking behind a row of homes on his way to his father's apartment. Mr. Zimmerman called the police to report a "suspicious guy" -- the kind of complaint Mr. Zimmerman made routinely in his role as neighborhood watchman.   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/news/us/trayvon-martin-case-lacks-malice-636815/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 21, 2012, 11:12:35 AM
The Most Outrageous Aspect of the Trayvon Martin Case

So now we know, through evidence released by prosecutors this past week, that George Zimmerman, the 28-year-old superhero-wannabe who shot and killed unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla,, on February 26th, had wounds on his head and a broken nose. And as expected, ignorant racists nationwide rushed forward with disingenuous cries of "See!?... that proves the kid had attacked him!" But Zimmerman's wounds suggest one thing: that Trayvon fought like an animal to save his life.

Ever since this story hit the press I've been mortified about how Trayvon has been vilified as the aggressor when all evidence points to him being the one who desperately needed to exercise his state's Draconian 'Stand Your Ground' law. For the life of me I don't understand why the media has not explored this angle more than it has. The simple fact remains here: that a grown man with a gun, safe in his locked car, against the implicit instruction of a 911 police operator, left that car to pursue, confront and kill a child (yes, racists, under the age of eighteen one is legally considered a child) who was holding nothing more than a bag of Skittles and an iced tea.   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-ostroy/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman_b_1530050.html 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Puzzler on May 21, 2012, 01:01:18 PM
Do we have any idea how close to Zimmerman's car the fight occurred?

From what I have read it was right beside it with only the sidewalk between it and them. One witness said Z was walking toward his vehicle when hit from behind by the Martin kid. I am guessing that is how he got knocked to the ground because he was caught unaware.

Turbo - TY!

Well, if the fight did happen next to or close to George's car, then it's evident that TM was following GZ and not the other way around.

If TM was following GZ and came up behind him, THAT makes TM the "agressor". 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: TURBOTHINK on May 21, 2012, 01:12:13 PM
And people wonder WHY Zimmerman was suspicious? This is a gated closed community and the history of problems would warrant suspicion by anyone with common sense. BTW, the ones seen & ones caught were all black males.

Zimmerman was appointed coordinator by his neighbors, according to Wendy Dorival, Neighborhood Watch organizer for the Sanford Police Department. The homeowner's association told residents who saw suspicious activity to call Zimmerman if they could not contact the police. "[Zimmerman] once caught a thief and an arrest was made," said Cynthia Wibker, secretary of the homeowners association. The Retreat at Twin Lakes, north entrance

Police had been called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times from January 1, 2011, to February 26, 2012[/b].Zimmerman was the caller on only 11 of those calls in that time frame.

Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death included eight burglaries, nine thefts, dozens of break-ins (at least one with a woman and infant upstairs) and one shooting. In September, Zimmerman was asked to head up a neighborhood watch.  The City of Sanford posted a "George Zimmerman 911 Call History" listing 46 calls by him between 2004 and the 2012 shooting which was a mistake when checked.

Zimmerman had been licensed to carry a firearm since November 2009. An officer with Seminole County had told Zimmerman not to rely on pepper spray to fend off a loose pit bull in the neighborhood; he told Zimmerman to "get a gun". Zimmerman had called the owner to complain about the dog after it had cornered his wife, and then called animal services on two other occasions to report that the dog was running loose.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 21, 2012, 01:19:58 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-21/news/os-trayvon-sanford-police-timeline-20120521_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-timeline-investigator-chris-serino

Sanford police prepare down-to-the-second George Zimmerman timeline
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
11:58 a.m. EST, May 21, 2012

In a timeline included in evidence documents released last week, Sanford police spelled out down to the second, what happened the night George Zimmerman fatally shot Trayvon Martin, based on time-stamped calls to their dispatch center.

It shows Zimmerman fired 1 minute, 57 seconds after he hung up.

1911:12 - Call received from George Zimmerman reporting suspicious person

1913:19 - Zimmerman relays that suspicious person is running from him

1913:36 - Dispatcher asks Zimmerman if he is following suspicious person

1913:36 - Dispatcher advises Zimmerman "Okay; we don't need you to do that"

1915:23 - Approximate time call with Zimmerman ends

1916:43 - 911 call placed by (blacked out name) where Zimmerman is heard screaming for help

1917:20 - Shot fired; screams from Zimmerman cease

1917:40 - Officer T. Smith arrives on scene

1919:43 - Officer T. Smith locates and places Zimmerman in custody.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 21, 2012, 02:00:07 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-21/news/os-trayvon-sanford-police-timeline-20120521_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-timeline-investigator-chris-serino

Sanford police prepare down-to-the-second George Zimmerman timeline
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
11:58 a.m. EST, May 21, 2012

In a timeline included in evidence documents released last week, Sanford police spelled out down to the second, what happened the night George Zimmerman fatally shot Trayvon Martin, based on time-stamped calls to their dispatch center.

It shows Zimmerman fired 1 minute, 57 seconds after he hung up.

1911:12 - Call received from George Zimmerman reporting suspicious person

1913:19 - Zimmerman relays that suspicious person is running from him

1913:36 - Dispatcher asks Zimmerman if he is following suspicious person

1913:36 - Dispatcher advises Zimmerman "Okay; we don't need you to do that"

1915:23 - Approximate time call with Zimmerman ends

1916:43 - 911 call placed by (blacked out name) where Zimmerman is heard screaming for help

1917:20 - Shot fired; screams from Zimmerman cease

1917:40 - Officer T. Smith arrives on scene

1919:43 - Officer T. Smith locates and places Zimmerman in custody.
 ::snipping2::


Interesting, but this timeline doesn't include George Zimmerman's reply "Okay."  after the dispatcher said "Okay; we don't need you to do that.  Why not include all of the conversations before the call ended?  The way this reads, the last words were those of the dispatcher before the end of the call.  JMHO



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 21, 2012, 02:30:13 PM
I was thinking the same thing.  Why is his response missing?  Is it omitted by the writer of the article or the source of the timeline?   :smt102   

The article cites the following as the source:

"The office of Special Prosecutor Angela Corey from the Report of Investigation prepared by Sanford police Investigator Chris Serino."


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 21, 2012, 03:35:35 PM

10 Things You Don’t Know About the Trayvon Martin Case

Including why George Zimmerman might never go to trial.
Ever since mainstream media finally decided that the February 26th shooting death of black teen Trayvon Martin was newsworthy, which was about a month after black activists began raising hell, there has been non-stop coverage of this tragic crime. Because there are massive volumes of information and because those volumes are updated on a nearly weekly and sometimes daily basis, there’s a need to compile all the pertinent facts.
 
1. George Zimmerman is a goddamn liar. As early as his initial interview on the night he killed Trayvon, Zimmerman repeatedly told Florida law enforcement agents that while he was on the phone with the police dispatcher shortly before the shooting, Trayvon was “circling my vehicle on foot” and that he was so unnerved by Trayvon’s behavior that he “rolled up … (the) window to avoid a confrontation.” But if this is true—and it damn sure ain’t—why didn’t he mention it during the 911 call with that dispatcher? He also told investigators that during the physical confrontation, Trayvon “had his hand over my mouth.” But if this is true—and it damn sure ain’t—how could he, as he has often stated, have been the person crying out for help? In addition, he told investigators that while he and Trayvon were wrestling on the ground, Trayvon “reached for the gun, and we struggled over it.” But if this is true—and it damn sure ain’t—how come there’s no physical, eyewitness, or corroborating evidence that Trayvon ever touched the firearm?
 
2. Zimmerman had only minor injuries. The medical report claiming “laceration to the back of his head, a closed fracture of his nose, and two black eyes” wasn’t written by the paramedics and wasn’t written immediately after the incident. It was written instead by Zimmerman’s family doctor and was written later. In fact, his reason for seeing that particular physician was “to get legal clearance to return to work.” Although Zimmerman alleges that Trayvon “punched me in the face, climbed on top of me, and slammed my head into the sidewalk,” he refused to go to the hospital when the paramedics arrived. As an attorney, I’m trained to speak and write as technically precise as possible using applicable legal jargon. So here’s my legal treatise: “If you stalk some dude who was minding his own business and you run up on him and get all up in his face and he then kicks your ass by throwing a few punches to get you to back off and those punches land squarely on your nose and in your eyes and on the back of your head, then your injuries don’t mean shit.” That’s Law School 101, yo.
 
3. Trayvon wasn’t high, but Zimmerman probably was. A report shows that there was marijuana in Trayvon’s system. Big effin’ deal! The last time I checked, the penalty for smoking weed wasn’t the firing squad by a wanna-be cop. If it were, then a lot of lawyers—including prosecutors—and cops and politicians and even judges would be on death row right now. But there is no evidence that Trayvon had actually smoked anything. The medical examiner’s autopsy report merely says “’traces’ of THC … (that are) below the level that … would have caused ‘performance impairment.’” However, the same can’t be said about Zimmerman. Quite the contrary: He had in his system Tamazepam (a.k.a. Restoril) for insomnia and Adderall for hyperactivity disorder. Separately, their side effects include “severe aggression, hostility, hallucinations and delusions.” Together, they include murder.   ::snipping2:: 

http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2012/05/21/10-trayvon-martin-case/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on May 21, 2012, 04:03:50 PM

10 Things You Don’t Know About the Trayvon Martin Case

Including why George Zimmerman might never go to trial.
Ever since mainstream media finally decided that the February 26th shooting death of black teen Trayvon Martin was newsworthy, which was about a month after black activists began raising hell, there has been non-stop coverage of this tragic crime. Because there are massive volumes of information and because those volumes are updated on a nearly weekly and sometimes daily basis, there’s a need to compile all the pertinent facts.
 
1. George Zimmerman is a goddamn liar. As early as his initial interview on the night he killed Trayvon, Zimmerman repeatedly told Florida law enforcement agents that while he was on the phone with the police dispatcher shortly before the shooting, Trayvon was “circling my vehicle on foot” and that he was so unnerved by Trayvon’s behavior that he “rolled up … (the) window to avoid a confrontation.” But if this is true—and it damn sure ain’t—why didn’t he mention it during the 911 call with that dispatcher? He also told investigators that during the physical confrontation, Trayvon “had his hand over my mouth.” But if this is true—and it damn sure ain’t—how could he, as he has often stated, have been the person crying out for help? In addition, he told investigators that while he and Trayvon were wrestling on the ground, Trayvon “reached for the gun, and we struggled over it.” But if this is true—and it damn sure ain’t—how come there’s no physical, eyewitness, or corroborating evidence that Trayvon ever touched the firearm?
 
2. Zimmerman had only minor injuries. The medical report claiming “laceration to the back of his head, a closed fracture of his nose, and two black eyes” wasn’t written by the paramedics and wasn’t written immediately after the incident. It was written instead by Zimmerman’s family doctor and was written later. In fact, his reason for seeing that particular physician was “to get legal clearance to return to work.” Although Zimmerman alleges that Trayvon “punched me in the face, climbed on top of me, and slammed my head into the sidewalk,” he refused to go to the hospital when the paramedics arrived. As an attorney, I’m trained to speak and write as technically precise as possible using applicable legal jargon. So here’s my legal treatise: “If you stalk some dude who was minding his own business and you run up on him and get all up in his face and he then kicks your ass by throwing a few punches to get you to back off and those punches land squarely on your nose and in your eyes and on the back of your head, then your injuries don’t mean shit.” That’s Law School 101, yo.
 
3. Trayvon wasn’t high, but Zimmerman probably was. A report shows that there was marijuana in Trayvon’s system. Big effin’ deal! The last time I checked, the penalty for smoking weed wasn’t the firing squad by a wanna-be cop. If it were, then a lot of lawyers—including prosecutors—and cops and politicians and even judges would be on death row right now. But there is no evidence that Trayvon had actually smoked anything. The medical examiner’s autopsy report merely says “’traces’ of THC … (that are) below the level that … would have caused ‘performance impairment.’” However, the same can’t be said about Zimmerman. Quite the contrary: He had in his system Tamazepam (a.k.a. Restoril) for insomnia and Adderall for hyperactivity disorder. Separately, their side effects include “severe aggression, hostility, hallucinations and delusions.” Together, they include murder.   ::snipping2:: 

http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2012/05/21/10-trayvon-martin-case/

Angry much?  Ha...I didn't realize Michael Coard was there that night.  Thanks for sharing this Toler.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: theboyzmom on May 21, 2012, 04:53:30 PM

10 Things You Don’t Know About the Trayvon Martin Case

Including why George Zimmerman might never go to trial.
Ever since mainstream media finally decided that the February 26th shooting death of black teen Trayvon Martin was newsworthy, which was about a month after black activists began raising hell, there has been non-stop coverage of this tragic crime. Because there are massive volumes of information and because those volumes are updated on a nearly weekly and sometimes daily basis, there’s a need to compile all the pertinent facts.
 
1. George Zimmerman is a goddamn liar. As early as his initial interview on the night he killed Trayvon, Zimmerman repeatedly told Florida law enforcement agents that while he was on the phone with the police dispatcher shortly before the shooting, Trayvon was “circling my vehicle on foot” and that he was so unnerved by Trayvon’s behavior that he “rolled up … (the) window to avoid a confrontation.” But if this is true—and it damn sure ain’t—why didn’t he mention it during the 911 call with that dispatcher? He also told investigators that during the physical confrontation, Trayvon “had his hand over my mouth.” But if this is true—and it damn sure ain’t—how could he, as he has often stated, have been the person crying out for help? In addition, he told investigators that while he and Trayvon were wrestling on the ground, Trayvon “reached for the gun, and we struggled over it.” But if this is true—and it damn sure ain’t—how come there’s no physical, eyewitness, or corroborating evidence that Trayvon ever touched the firearm?
 
2. Zimmerman had only minor injuries. The medical report claiming “laceration to the back of his head, a closed fracture of his nose, and two black eyes” wasn’t written by the paramedics and wasn’t written immediately after the incident. It was written instead by Zimmerman’s family doctor and was written later. In fact, his reason for seeing that particular physician was “to get legal clearance to return to work.” Although Zimmerman alleges that Trayvon “punched me in the face, climbed on top of me, and slammed my head into the sidewalk,” he refused to go to the hospital when the paramedics arrived. As an attorney, I’m trained to speak and write as technically precise as possible using applicable legal jargon. So here’s my legal treatise: “If you stalk some dude who was minding his own business and you run up on him and get all up in his face and he then kicks your ass by throwing a few punches to get you to back off and those punches land squarely on your nose and in your eyes and on the back of your head, then your injuries don’t mean shit.” That’s Law School 101, yo.
 
3. Trayvon wasn’t high, but Zimmerman probably was. A report shows that there was marijuana in Trayvon’s system. Big effin’ deal! The last time I checked, the penalty for smoking weed wasn’t the firing squad by a wanna-be cop. If it were, then a lot of lawyers—including prosecutors—and cops and politicians and even judges would be on death row right now. But there is no evidence that Trayvon had actually smoked anything. The medical examiner’s autopsy report merely says “’traces’ of THC … (that are) below the level that … would have caused ‘performance impairment.’” However, the same can’t be said about Zimmerman. Quite the contrary: He had in his system Tamazepam (a.k.a. Restoril) for insomnia and Adderall for hyperactivity disorder. Separately, their side effects include “severe aggression, hostility, hallucinations and delusions.” Together, they include murder.   ::snipping2:: 

http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2012/05/21/10-trayvon-martin-case/

Angry much?  Ha...I didn't realize Michael Coard was there that night.  Thanks for sharing this Toler.

I still say that we will never know the truth - but this guy is off the rails.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 21, 2012, 05:23:31 PM

10 Things You Don’t Know About the Trayvon Martin Case

Including why George Zimmerman might never go to trial.
Ever since mainstream media finally decided that the February 26th shooting death of black teen Trayvon Martin was newsworthy, which was about a month after black activists began raising hell, there has been non-stop coverage of this tragic crime. Because there are massive volumes of information and because those volumes are updated on a nearly weekly and sometimes daily basis, there’s a need to compile all the pertinent facts.
 
1. George Zimmerman is a goddamn liar. As early as his initial interview on the night he killed Trayvon, Zimmerman repeatedly told Florida law enforcement agents that while he was on the phone with the police dispatcher shortly before the shooting, Trayvon was “circling my vehicle on foot” and that he was so unnerved by Trayvon’s behavior that he “rolled up … (the) window to avoid a confrontation.” But if this is true—and it damn sure ain’t—why didn’t he mention it during the 911 call with that dispatcher? He also told investigators that during the physical confrontation, Trayvon “had his hand over my mouth.” But if this is true—and it damn sure ain’t—how could he, as he has often stated, have been the person crying out for help? In addition, he told investigators that while he and Trayvon were wrestling on the ground, Trayvon “reached for the gun, and we struggled over it.” But if this is true—and it damn sure ain’t—how come there’s no physical, eyewitness, or corroborating evidence that Trayvon ever touched the firearm?
 
2. Zimmerman had only minor injuries. The medical report claiming “laceration to the back of his head, a closed fracture of his nose, and two black eyes” wasn’t written by the paramedics and wasn’t written immediately after the incident. It was written instead by Zimmerman’s family doctor and was written later. In fact, his reason for seeing that particular physician was “to get legal clearance to return to work.” Although Zimmerman alleges that Trayvon “punched me in the face, climbed on top of me, and slammed my head into the sidewalk,” he refused to go to the hospital when the paramedics arrived. As an attorney, I’m trained to speak and write as technically precise as possible using applicable legal jargon. So here’s my legal treatise: “If you stalk some dude who was minding his own business and you run up on him and get all up in his face and he then kicks your ass by throwing a few punches to get you to back off and those punches land squarely on your nose and in your eyes and on the back of your head, then your injuries don’t mean shit.” That’s Law School 101, yo.
 
3. Trayvon wasn’t high, but Zimmerman probably was. A report shows that there was marijuana in Trayvon’s system. Big effin’ deal! The last time I checked, the penalty for smoking weed wasn’t the firing squad by a wanna-be cop. If it were, then a lot of lawyers—including prosecutors—and cops and politicians and even judges would be on death row right now. But there is no evidence that Trayvon had actually smoked anything. The medical examiner’s autopsy report merely says “’traces’ of THC … (that are) below the level that … would have caused ‘performance impairment.’” However, the same can’t be said about Zimmerman. Quite the contrary: He had in his system Tamazepam (a.k.a. Restoril) for insomnia and Adderall for hyperactivity disorder. Separately, their side effects include “severe aggression, hostility, hallucinations and delusions.” Together, they include murder.   ::snipping2::  

http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2012/05/21/10-trayvon-martin-case/

Angry much?  Ha...I didn't realize Michael Coard was there that night.  Thanks for sharing this Toler.

I still say that we will never know the truth - but this guy is off the rails.

He's off the rails, alright, but amazing how many blogs etc are spreading the same theme.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 21, 2012, 07:32:07 PM
State Says Trayvon Martin Was Profiled

SANFORD, Fla.  — WESH.com

A former prosecutor said the state can build a argument for profiling against George Zimmerman.
 
Former prosecutor Jeff Deen said the state can build a three-pronged argument based on profiling using Zimmerman's own statements and the statements Trayvon Martin made to a girlfriend he was talking to on the phone.
 
As Zimmerman spoke to a police dispatcher the night of Martin's death he made a statement officials argue is profiling.   ::snipping2:: 

A girlfriend who was on the phone with Martin said he told her he did not know the man following him and was not looking for a fight.
 
Prosecutors can make a case based on that information that the wounds Zimmerman suffered came from a fight he started, then was losing and reacted in the heat of the moment by pulling out his gun.
 
"If I'm the state I say, 'Look he was getting pummeled and out of anger or in the heat of the moment he fired that fatal shot,'" said Deen. "That's second-degree murder."
 
Zimmerman shot and killed Martin Feb. 26 as Martin walked to his father's house from 7-Eleven.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47510570


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 21, 2012, 10:31:41 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-21/news/os-george-zimmerman-omara-expects-more-evidence-20120521_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-evidence-witness-names

O'Mara: Corey has released only about half of her Zimmerman evidence
5:44 p.m. EST, May 21, 2012|
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel

George Zimmerman's lawyer on Monday estimated that prosecutors only have released about half the evidence they've gathered against his client and warned people not to jump to conclusions.

Mark O'Mara, in a blog post, said he would have no comment about the evidence.

Nearly 200 pages of paperwork, scores of crime-scene photos, dozens of recorded witness interviews and several pieces of video were released Thursday by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey.

Criminal-defense lawyers who've reviewed the evidence have been critical of Corey, accusing her of filing a second-degree murder charge without enough evidence to support it.

But O'Mara on Monday wrote that the criticism would be premature.

He estimated that about half of the evidence has yet to be released. He did not specify what that included, but an Orlando Sentinel review suggests it includes Zimmerman's five statements, cell phone records, some crime-scene photos, medical records, witness names and other things.

Attorneys for both sides have said they don't want witness names released for fear that they'll be harassed.

"We agree with the state's decision to ... (be) methodical," O'Mara wrote. "It may be several weeks before all the evidence is delivered to the defense, and it is important to note that certain items in evidence may not be made public at all."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Blonde on May 22, 2012, 01:17:00 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-21/news/os-trayvon-sanford-police-timeline-20120521_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-timeline-investigator-chris-serino

Sanford police prepare down-to-the-second George Zimmerman timeline
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
11:58 a.m. EST, May 21, 2012

In a timeline included in evidence documents released last week, Sanford police spelled out down to the second, what happened the night George Zimmerman fatally shot Trayvon Martin, based on time-stamped calls to their dispatch center.

It shows Zimmerman fired 1 minute, 57 seconds after he hung up.

1911:12 - Call received from George Zimmerman reporting suspicious person

1913:19 - Zimmerman relays that suspicious person is running from him

1913:36 - Dispatcher asks Zimmerman if he is following suspicious person

1913:36 - Dispatcher advises Zimmerman "Okay; we don't need you to do that"

1915:23 - Approximate time call with Zimmerman ends

1916:43 - 911 call placed by (blacked out name) where Zimmerman is heard screaming for help

1917:20 - Shot fired; screams from Zimmerman cease

1917:40 - Officer T. Smith arrives on scene

1919:43 - Officer T. Smith locates and places Zimmerman in custody.
 ::snipping2::


1913:36 - Dispatcher advises Zimmerman "Okay; we don't need you to do that"
WHY DIDN'T HE JUST BACK AWAY


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 22, 2012, 01:35:32 PM
SURVEY: Americans changing opinion on Zimmerman’s guilt

WTVR) – Survey data by Ramussen Reports indicates that Americans are becoming more convinced that Trayvon Marton’s killer acted in self-defense and that the legal system will reach that conclusion also.
 
Florida State Attorney Angela Corey is prosecuting one of the most sensational and sensitive cases in the country — the Trayvon Martin case.
 
Shooter George Zimmerman is expected to defend shooting the unarmed Florida teen under the same Stand Your Ground law.
 
Survey data shows that as more evidence emerges in the shooting death of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin people are changing their opinions on the situation.
 
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 24% of American adults still believe the man who shot Martin should be found guilty of murder.
 
However, that number is down from 33% in late March when the case began to draw national media attention, and down from 30% in early April.
 
Forty percent now think that Zimmerman, charged with second degree murder in the Martin shooting, acted in self-defense.
 
As Ramussen Reports, that’s up 25 points from 15% in March and up 16 points from 24% last month.
 
Thirty-six percent (36%) remain undecided, compared to 55% two months ago. (To see survey question wording, click here.)   ::snipping2:: 

http://wtvr.com/2012/05/22/survey-americans-changing-opinion-on-zimmermans-guilt/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 22, 2012, 02:37:59 PM
http://www.wesh.com/r/31096553/detail.html

Zimmerman Case: Is 2nd-Degree Murder Conviction Likely?
POSTED: 6:35 am EDT May 22, 2012
UPDATED: 11:03 am EDT May 22, 2012

 ::snipping2::
The state believes that in the context of the evidence, Zimmerman has made statements that point to his guilt that could be construed as a confession," legal analyst Jeff Dean said.

Dean says taped interviews that Zimmerman had with investigators the night Martin died may be used in court. In the statements, Zimmerman apparently admitted that he shot and killed Martin, but also made a case for self-defense.
 
If Mr. Zimmerman's statements were made voluntarily, after he was read his rights, those statements would be admissible," Dean said.
 
But Zimmerman attorney Mark O'Mara said he is looking to have some statements thrown out.
 
State Attorney Angela Corey said the public should be reminded that the case may be different at trial.

"People need to understand that not every fact will come out in front of a jury. Many things are being discussed that will never be heard by the jury to try George Zimmerman," Corey said.
 ::snipping2::

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/31096553/detail.html#ixzz1vcmjARO1


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 22, 2012, 07:37:13 PM
Several George Zimmerman witnesses change their accounts

Evidence released last week in the second-degree-murder case against George Zimmerman shows four key witnesses made major changes in what they say they saw and heard the night he fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford.

Three changed their stories in ways that may damage Zimmerman. A fourth abandoned her initial story, that she saw one person chasing another. Now, she says, she saw a single figure running.

They were reinterviewed in mid-March, after Sanford police handed the case off to State Attorney Norm Wolfinger. The case changed hands again when Gov. Rick Scott passed it on to a special prosecutor. Zimmerman was arrested April 11 on a charge of second-degree murder.

Here are the key ways in which their stories changed.

Witness 2

A young woman who lives in the Retreat at Twin Lakes community, where Trayvon was shot, was interviewed twice by Sanford police and once by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

She told authorities that she had taken out her contact lenses just before the incident. In her first recorded interview with Sanford police four days after the shooting, she told lead Investigator Chris Serino, "I saw two guys running. Couldn't tell you who was in front, who was behind."

She stepped away from her window, and when she looked again, she "saw a fistfight. Just fists. I don't know who was hitting who."

A week later, she added a detail when talking again to Serino: During the chase, the two figures had been 10 feet apart.

That all changed when she was reinterviewed March 20 by an FDLE agent. That time, she recalled catching a glimpse of just one running figure, she told FDLE Investigator John Batchelor, and she heard the person more than saw him.

"I couldn't tell you if it was a man, a woman, a kid, black or white. I couldn't tell you because it was dark and because I didn't have my contacts on or glasses. … I just know I saw a person out there."   ::snipping2::

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-22/news/os-george-zimmerman-key-witnesses-20120522_1_witnesses-change-shooting-fdle-agent


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Red on May 22, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
Rasmussen Poll: 40% Say Trayvon Martin Shot in Self-Defense; Only 24% Say It Was Murder … Only 47% of Blacks Think it was Murder

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/05/22/rasmussen-40-say-trayvon-martin-shot-in-self-defense-only-24-say-it-was-murder-only-47-of-blacks-think-it-was-murder/

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As evidence and facts are released in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, the more people believe that George Zimerman shot in self-defense.

My how the opinion is changing in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman. Initially when the story was inaccurately reported by the MSM and the race baiters like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were out in force fanning the flames of racism, many thought that George Zimmerman was guilty of murder.  The MSM even went as far as purposely manipulating the Zimmerman 911 call and misrepresent the facts.  My what a difference actual facts and evidence makes.

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According to the most recent Rasmussen poll, 40% now believe that George Zimmerman shot 17 year old Trayvon Martin in self-defense, only 24% now believe that it was murder. WOW,  only a mere 15% believed Zimmerman acted in self-defense in March and 24% in April. George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain was charged with second degree murder.  What is even more stunning with the polling numbers is that 47% of black adults feel Zimmerman should be found guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin, down from 55% in March. Of course the public opinion was influenced by not only the media’s bias reporting, but also President Obama interjecting himself in the case stating that Trayvon Martin could have looked like his son.

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Great analysis from Weasel Zippers, Anyone else notice a correlation between new evidence backing up Zimmerman’s claims and a huge drop in MSM coverage?

 ::snipping2::

The more the facts come out in the case, the more it appears that there is reasonable doubt that it very could have well been self defense. Might I also add that there is quite and effort to keep the fight club videos off of YOUTUBE; however, what these folks do not realize is that the video has been saved to others servers and is not going anywhere.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 23, 2012, 12:14:23 AM
Rasmussen Poll: 40% Say Trayvon Martin Shot in Self-Defense; Only 24% Say It Was Murder … Only 47% of Blacks Think it was Murder

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/05/22/rasmussen-40-say-trayvon-martin-shot-in-self-defense-only-24-say-it-was-murder-only-47-of-blacks-think-it-was-murder/

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As evidence and facts are released in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, the more people believe that George Zimerman shot in self-defense.

My how the opinion is changing in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman. Initially when the story was inaccurately reported by the MSM and the race baiters like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were out in force fanning the flames of racism, many thought that George Zimmerman was guilty of murder.  The MSM even went as far as purposely manipulating the Zimmerman 911 call and misrepresent the facts.  My what a difference actual facts and evidence makes.

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According to the most recent Rasmussen poll, 40% now believe that George Zimmerman shot 17 year old Trayvon Martin in self-defense, only 24% now believe that it was murder. WOW,  only a mere 15% believed Zimmerman acted in self-defense in March and 24% in April. George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain was charged with second degree murder.  What is even more stunning with the polling numbers is that 47% of black adults feel Zimmerman should be found guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin, down from 55% in March. Of course the public opinion was influenced by not only the media’s bias reporting, but also President Obama interjecting himself in the case stating that Trayvon Martin could have looked like his son.

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Great analysis from Weasel Zippers, Anyone else notice a correlation between new evidence backing up Zimmerman’s claims and a huge drop in MSM coverage?

 ::snipping2::

The more the facts come out in the case, the more it appears that there is reasonable doubt that it very could have well been self defense. Might I also add that there is quite and effort to keep the fight club videos off of YOUTUBE; however, what these folks do not realize is that the video has been saved to others servers and is not going anywhere.

Agreeing with you, Red.

Initially I had thought Zimmerman was..as portrayed in those early reports..an out of control neighborhood vigilante.

Then, slowly but surely  we got to learn more.

Probably in the minority here but...the more I read of Trayvon Martin, stolen jewelry, burglar tool, weed residue in his back pack..and more, well..I then began to wonder what kind of parental control he had. All that trouble at school and the response was to ship him off to his father's girlfriend. His father didn't even stay home that night, not sure about the girlfriend. Had he been my child with that kind of track record there's no way in hell he would've had a cell phone that night, 40 bucks in his pocket and been out and about anywhere. I believe that he did attack Zimmerman.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: KittyMom on May 23, 2012, 01:22:50 AM
I have yet to see any fighting videos being reported by the media.  What gives with that?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on May 23, 2012, 01:43:32 AM


Agreeing with you, Red.

Initially I had thought Zimmerman was..as portrayed in those early reports..an out of control neighborhood vigilante.

Then, slowly but surely  we got to learn more.

Probably in the minority here but...the more I read of Trayvon Martin, stolen jewelry, burglar tool, weed residue in his back pack..and more, well..I then began to wonder what kind of parental control he had. All that trouble at school and the response was to ship him off to his father's girlfriend. His father didn't even stay home that night, not sure about the girlfriend. Had he been my child with that kind of track record there's no way in hell he would've had a cell phone that night, 40 bucks in his pocket and been out and about anywhere. I believe that he did attack Zimmerman.


Agreeing with both Red and Toler.

Let's not forget that TM was supposedly going to the store for his younger brother.  (Hadn't seen or heard hide nor hair about that brother since.  Was the younger brother living with the father?  It would have been a school night for him.)  What kind of parental unit let's their 17 yo walk to a store 20 minutes away in the rain in the dark?

A mention about marijuana that I hadn't seen noted yet, is that it can cause paranoid behavior.

There are so many unanswered questions.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 23, 2012, 01:38:07 PM
Witness tampering in Trayvon Martin case?

Any cop knows that witness testimony is flimsy at best, with more than one witness to a crime typically differing on half a dozen different aspects of a case. But one thing is a given: cops go with the first testimony a witness gives—not the one likely impacted later by family, friends and the court of public opinion.

And so it will go with George Zimmerman’s defense lawyer as well, when the Trayvon Martin shooting case finally goes to trial.

Until then, however, the fact that four witnesses have changed their stories somewhat should make the public concerned about witness tampering as a possibility.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2887064/posts


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 23, 2012, 01:39:25 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/22/2813681/zimmerman-rode-with-cops-ripped.html

Wednesday, 05.23.12
George Zimmerman rode with Sanford cops, ripped department

A year before George Zimmerman killed a Miami Gardens teenager, he stood before a City Hall community forum with a grievance: Sanford cops are lazy, he told the then-mayor elect.

And he should know: Zimmerman, a community college criminal justice major, said he went on ride-alongs with the Sanford Police.

“And what I saw was disgusting,” Zimmerman said, according to a recording of the January 2011 meeting obtained by The Miami Herald. “The officer showed me his favorite hiding spots for taking naps, explained to me that he doesn’t carry a long gun in his vehicle because, in his words, ‘anything that requires a long gun requires a lot of paperwork, and you’re going to find me as far away from it.’

“He took two lunch breaks and attended a going-away party for one of his fellow officers.”

Zimmerman’s public lambasting of the police department and its outgoing chief is rich with irony: A year later, the new chief took a national beating over how the department handled Zimmerman’s shooting of high school junior Trayvon Martin. The recording raises new questions about whether the neighborhood watch volunteer might have received preferential treatment the night of the shooting because he was familiar to officers in the department — or if any of the officers who took him into custody were the among those he criticized.
 ::snipping2::
The community forum Zimmerman spoke at was called by Sanford’s mayor, Jeff Triplett, who at that time had yet to officially take office. The forum took place in the wake of a scandal involving the son of a police lieutenant, Justin Collison, who was captured on video punching a homeless man.
 ::snipping2::

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/22/2813681/zimmerman-rode-with-cops-ripped.html#storylink=cpy


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 23, 2012, 02:04:12 PM



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-shooting-witnesses-change-stories-ahead-zimmerman-133743219.html
Trayvon Martin shooting: Witnesses change stories ahead of Zimmerman trial
May 23, 2012





Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Puzzler on May 23, 2012, 02:31:32 PM
"Why" are so many witnesses changing their account of what they saw?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 23, 2012, 02:39:31 PM
http://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/04/17/this-was-also-trayvon-martin/

Photos at Link


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: sharon on May 23, 2012, 03:42:24 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/23/trayvon-martin-case-witnesses-change-stories_n_1539077.html?ncid=webmail1

Trayvon Martin Case: Witnesses Change Accounts, Which Could Hurt Zimmerman

George Zimmerman's self-defense claim could be hurt by his own witnesses, who have changed their accounts since they were interviewed early on in the Trayvon Martin case.

The Orlando Sentinel reported that four witnesses' statements regarding the Feb. 26 shooting changed significantly when they were interviewed a second time in March. The statements are included in the collection of evidence officially released by the State Attorney's Office last week.

Here is an overview of the key changes in their accounts, as reported by the Sentinel.

 ::snipping2::

This week, security video was released showing Trayvon Martin at a Sanford, Fla. 7-Eleven the night he died. The teen purchased a bag of Skittles and an Arizona iced tea, a short time before he was killed.

Zimmerman has been charged with shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on the evening of Feb. 26 in a gated community in Sanford, Fla. Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer called 911 and told a police dispatcher that the teen, who was returning from a trip to a nearby convenience store, "looked suspicious." After an altercation, Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest, subsequently telling local police that he acted in self-defense.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on May 23, 2012, 05:19:00 PM
I am VERY curious also regarding WHY four witnesses have changed their story.  Isn't that odd?  Or does this happen often?  I sure hope that no one is messing with them or offering them money to change their story.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Blonde on May 23, 2012, 05:36:12 PM
I know what it feels like to get Profiled It happens to me every time I take the Harley out for a ride .
They see a small blonde girl dressed like my picture on the side of my page, and boy do I get the shit.
 I'm me and that's how I live ..The only time I change is when I'm with my grandson because I have too ( per daughter)
I ride with a group of mostly men that respect me way more then outsiders
 I know how it feels and I don't have any tattoos just a low cut shirt  ::MonkeyCool:: and I get doors slammed in my face and those  looks .. just saying



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 23, 2012, 07:18:36 PM
Congresswoman to Discuss Trayvon Martin Case

Florida Congresswoman Frederica Wilson will hold a news conference Wednesday to address the situation surrounding the Trayvon Martin case.

Retired Police Director Robert Parker will also be participating in the conference. Parker will discuss how the Martin case has affected young black men who are graduating from high school and attending college in the fall, a release said.
 
The press conference will take place at 5 p.m. at New Hope Missionary Baptist Church located at 1881 NW 103rd Street in Miami.
 
Martin, 17, was fatally shot in February by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, who claims he shot the unarmed teen in self-defense.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47535474


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 23, 2012, 07:51:53 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/MarkNejame (https://twitter.com/#!/MarkNejame)

4h Greg Diaz Greg Diaz ‏@Gregory305
@MarkNeJame she is using that common sense i spoke of so many times n she is a older white woman part of ur jurry pool
1:54 PM - 23 May 12 via web · Details

3h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame
@Gregory305 You look at pieces of puzzle & not whole picture. Wounds can't be self inflicted. All forensics show otherwise. Use common sense
3:18 PM - 23 May 12 via TweetDeck · Details

Greg Diaz ‏@Gregory305
@MarkNeJame add 2 that his very agresive talk towards minorities n borderline racist talk on his myspace page add 2 that him carrying a gun
1:21 PM - 23 May 12 via web · Details


5h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame
@Gregory305 Irrelevant. Won't get into evidence anyway. MS is vague but still legally irrelevant and immaterial. I focus on case outcome.
1:23 PM - 23 May 12 via TweetDeck · Details

5h Greg Diaz Greg Diaz ‏@Gregory305
@MarkNeJame add 2 GZ takin that job n calling sum 45 times 2 him doing private security 4 atleast 1 party thats known with photos add 2 that
1:18 PM - 23 May 12 via web · Details

5h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame
@Gregory305 The calls can cut both ways. If not race specific or disproportionately black they can help. If disproportionate then can hurt.
1:21 PM - 23 May 12 via TweetDeck · Details

Greg Diaz ‏@Gregory305
@MarkNeJame 1 of the problems with the GZ case is his gung ho or agresive atitude by nature ne1 who takes nw job is a lil gung ho add 2 that
1:15 PM - 23 May 12 via web · Details


5h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame
@Gregory305 Agree. If aggressive nature established will be more problematic. Prior acts typically inadmissible though.
1:18 PM - 23 May 12 via TweetDeck · Details

Selina Grissom ‏@LilRdVet2
@MarkNeJame if they ran into each other face 2 face it would be hard enough to break his nose and send him backwards to pavement
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9h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame
@LilRdVet2 Layout of complex, lighting & forensics don't support. TM had no injuries but for finger & shot & GZ had addtl injuries on face
9:23 AM - 23 May 12 via TweetDeck · Details


6h Selina Grissom Selina Grissom ‏@LilRdVet2
@MarkNeJame TM tiny scratch on ring finger (NO bruises) does not support beating GZ. I don't believe GZ or HIS witness accounts.
11:48 AM - 23 May 12 via web · Details

5h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame
@LilRdVet2 witnesses were independent witnesses to my knowledge, didnt know either one. Simply described what they saw to law enforcement.
1:05 PM - 23 May 12 via TweetDeck · Details

10h Selina Grissom Selina Grissom ‏@LilRdVet2
@MarkNeJame if they ran into each other face 2 face it would be hard enough to break his nose and send him backwards to pavement
8:01 AM - 23 May 12 via web · Details


9h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame
@LilRdVet2 Layout of complex, lighting & forensics don't support. TM had no injuries but for finger & shot & GZ had addtl injuries on face
9:23 AM - 23 May 12 via TweetDeck · Details

6h Selina Grissom Selina Grissom ‏@LilRdVet2
@MarkNeJame TM tiny scratch on ring finger (NO bruises) does not support beating GZ. I don't believe GZ or HIS witness accounts.
11:48 AM - 23 May 12 via web · Details

5h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame
@LilRdVet2 witnesses were independent witnesses to my knowledge, didnt know either one. Simply described what they saw to law enforcement.
1:05 PM - 23 May 12 via TweetDeck · Details

9h Mark NeJame Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame
@LilRdVet2 Layout of complex, lighting & forensics don't support. TM had no injuries but for finger & shot & GZ had addtl injuries on face
9:23 AM - 23 May 12 via TweetDeck · Details


6h Selina Grissom Selina Grissom ‏@LilRdVet2
@MarkNeJame TM tiny scratch on ring finger (NO bruises) does not support beating GZ. I don't believe GZ or HIS witness accounts.
11:48 AM - 23 May 12 via web · Details

Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame
@LilRdVet2 witnesses were independent witnesses to my knowledge, didnt know either one. Simply described what they saw to law enforcement.
1:05 PM - 23 May 12 via TweetDeck · Details










Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 23, 2012, 10:08:06 PM
How do Zimmerman prosecutors prove case when key witnesses now have reasonable doubts?

The Orlando Sentinel reports that several witnesses have changed their stories from the initial interviews, mostly (but not completely) to the detriment of George Zimmerman:
 

Evidence released last week in the second-degree-murder case against George Zimmerman shows four key witnesses made major changes in what they say they saw and heard the night he fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford.
 
Three changed their stories in ways that may damage Zimmerman. A fourth abandoned her initial story, that she saw one person chasing another. Now, she says, she saw a single figure running.
 
They were reinterviewed in mid-March, after Sanford police handed the case off to State Attorney Norm Wolfinger. The case changed hands again when Gov. Rick Scott passed it on to a special prosecutor. Zimmerman was arrested April 11 on a charge of second-degree murder.
 
So … witnesses change their recollections in ways which hurt Zimmerman after the public outcry, charges of racism, death threats against Zimmerman, marches, and public protests in the town in which the shooting took place.   ::snipping2:: 

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/05/how-do-zimmerman-prosecutors-prove-case-when-key-witnesses-now-have-reasonable-doubts/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 24, 2012, 12:14:42 PM
http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/05/24/prosecutors-want-seal-statements-zimmerman-made-police

Prosecutors want to seal statements Zimmerman made to police
Thu, 05/24/2012 - 9:23am

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Prosecutors want a judge to seal key evidence in the case against George Zimmerman from the public until trial, including the statements he made to law enforcement during the investigation of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin's death.
 
Citing an exemption barring the release of confessions, the prosecution asks Judge Kenneth Lester in a new motion to seal Zimmerman's statements, as well as photos that show the teen's body.
 
Zimmerman admits shooting the teen but says he did so in self-defense as he was being pummeled on the ground. He has made at least five statements to law enforcement.
 
The records the state is asking to have sealed were left out of evidence released to the public last week. Statute allows information "revealing the substance of a confession" to be withheld.
 
Bernie de la Rionda, the lead prosecutor, argues in the motion that because Zimmerman's statements "could be used against him at trial," the records should not be public. According to de la Rionda, those statements "are contradictory, and are inconsistent with the physical evidence and statements of witnesses."
 
The prosecutor also asked the state to seal the cellphone records of Zimmerman, Trayvon and a South Florida girl who says she was on the phone with Trayvon in the moments before his death Feb.26 in Sanford.
 
The state also asked the judge to seal witness names. Both the prosecution and the defense have argued for that.
 
The new motion was provided to Lester, the defense and attorneys for multiple media outlets Wednesday.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 24, 2012, 12:39:39 PM
Zimmerman complained about Sanford police in 2011
Published May 23, 2012


ORLANDO, Fla. –  George Zimmerman accused the Sanford police department of corruption more than a year before he shot Trayvon Martin, saying at a public forum the agency covered up the beating of a black homeless man by the son of a white officer.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/23/zimmerman-complained-about-sanford-police-in-2011/?test=latestnews


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 24, 2012, 04:39:23 PM
Zimmerman wants evidence private in Martin case

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) - Attorneys in the Trayvon Martin case want some evidence kept out of the public realm until trial.
 
Prosecutors and George Zimmerman's attorneys filed motions Thursday asking a judge to keep statements Zimmerman gave detectives and the names and addresses of witnesses from being publicly released. Both items normally would be part of the public record under Florida law.
 
Zimmerman's attorney also wants to keep private text messages, emails and journal entries Zimmerman made, at least until he can review them. Prosecutors asked that Martin's cell phone records not be released publicly.   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47556757


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 24, 2012, 06:35:11 PM
Poll: Floridians Support "Stand Your Ground" Law

ORLANDO (WKMG/CNN) - A new poll finds that majority of Florida voters support the state's "Stand Your Ground" law.

The law has been heavily debated in the wake of the death of Trayvon Martin.

The 17-year-old was shot and killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer who claimed self defense.

A Quinnipiac University survey of Florida voters finds that 56 percent are in favor of "Stand Your Ground."   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.kplctv.com/story/18619193/poll-floridians-support-stand-your-ground-law


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 24, 2012, 08:45:59 PM
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Prosecutors-George-Zimmermans-Attorney-Ask-To-Seal-Discovery-Materials-153838635.html

Prosecutors, George Zimmerman's Attorney Ask To Seal Discovery Materials
Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. has ordered a hearing for next Friday, June 1
Thursday, May 24, 2012  |  Updated 8:10 PM EDT

George Zimmerman’s attorney has agreed with prosecutors’ request that numerous discovery materials be sealed in new court motions.

“The State and Defendant wish to be able to receive a fair trial and try this case in the courtroom and not in the media,” prosecutors wrote in their motion for a protective order from Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. They said that publishing various discovery materials in the media would result in the case being tried in the press and not in court, and would make it not possible to seat a fair, impartial jury in the county.

The state said that releasing evidence such as the names, addresses and phone numbers of potential witnesses would constrain both sides’ ability to hold a fair and independent investigation and present witnesses.

Lester has ordered a hearing on the matter for next Friday afternoon, June 1 in the Sanford courthouse.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 24, 2012, 09:25:01 PM
Trayvon Martin family attorney: Zimmerman had ‘cozy’ relationship with police

Surveillance video released by the Florida State Attorney’s Office shows that George Zimmerman had a “cozy” relationship with the Sanford Police Department, an attorney for Trayvon Martin’s family told the Huffington Post.
 
The video shows Zimmerman walking unescorted through a Sanford police station three days after he shot and killed Martin. He also reportedly had a number of “ride alongs” with police, which he later described as “disgusting” because of the officers’ laziness.
 
“This video of Zimmerman just walking through the police department so casually underscores that people in that department have a familiarity with him,” attorney Benjamin Crump said. “It means that he had a relationship with the Sanford police department. And it’s just unusual that all along they would say they didn’t. But he went on several ride alongs with them and he was comfortable enough to walk unescorted through their department.”
 
On February 26, Zimmerman told police that he shot and killed the unarmed African American teenager out of self-defense. Zimmerman was not arrested that night, a fact that later sparked national outrage and a flood of criticism. Martin’s family attorney had questioned his relationship with the police, noting Zimmerman was a criminal justice student.   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/24/trayvon-martin-family-attorney-zimmerman-had-cozy-relationship-with-police/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 24, 2012, 09:28:12 PM
Grapevine: MSNBC pulling back on Trayvon Martin coverage?

Change of Tune
MSNBC is being accused of backing off of its coverage of the Trayvon Martin case after new evidence favorable to George Zimmerman -- the man charged with second degree murder in the case -- came to light.
 
The network spent hours, even full shows, covering the shooting for days after it happened.
 
But, according to Mediaite, last week after the new evidence about Zimmerman emerged there was not a single mention of the case on MSNBC's prime time programming...not one.
 
Even Reverend Al Sharpton who had taken his show on the road to cover the Martin case didn't mention it.  ::snipping2:: 


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report/2012/05/24/grapevine-msnbc-pulling-back-trayvon-martin-coverage#ixzz1vq9jrHJL


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 24, 2012, 10:35:48 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-24/news/os-george-zimmerman-secret-witnesses-20120524_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-witness-safety-trial
Legal fight likely looms over identifying witnesses in Zimmerman case
By Jeff Weiner and Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
May 24, 2012

If George Zimmerman goes to trial in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, a jury will be asked to determine whether the teen's death was a result of self-defense or murder. Anyone who saw or heard part of the deadly conflict could prove vital as jurors seek to piece together who was responsible.

But attorneys on both sides of the case have said they're concerned about what could happen if important civilian witnesses are identified publicly before trial. When a large portion of the evidence in the case was released last week, 22 witnesses were identified only by number.

That includes a South Florida girl who says she was on the phone with Trayvon in the moments before his death and a man who says he saw the teenager on top of Zimmerman as they struggled on the ground.

Media companies are expected to intervene, seeking to force the state to release the names, in what boils down to a struggle between the public's right to know and the defendant's right to a fair trial.

Ultimately, it will be up to Judge Kenneth Lester to decide what the public should see. On June 1, Lester will hear arguments on a motion to seal witness information and other evidence.

"The judge here is placed between a rock and a hard place," said Clay Calvert, director of the Marion B. Brechner First Amendment Project at the University of Florida. "Especially in a case that has been politicized so heavily."
More...


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 24, 2012, 11:13:37 PM
“Trayvoning” image as seen on Facebook page.


1 of 5
 
Nearly three months have gone by since unarmed Florida teen Trayvon Martin, 17, was shot and killed by George Zimmerman, 28, while he was on his way home from 7-Eleven carrying Skittles and an iced tea. Martin’s case was low-profile until it got its buzz on social media and began making national headlines, which sparked a national conversation about race, “Stand Your Ground,” and gun laws in America.
 
While many Americans empathized with Martin’s family, others apparently found humor in Trayvon’s death.
 
A new photo meme called “Trayvoning” have been gaining steam on the Internet. The photos illustrate men wearing hoodies, with iced tea cans in one hand and Skittles in the other, laying down on their backs or stomachs as if they were dead. This “Trayvoning” trend has prompted Tumblr and Facebook pages.
 
The Facebook page called Trayvoning currently has just 5 likes. The anonymous authors of the page describe it:
 
Trayvoning is when you
 1. get hoodie
 2. get skittles
 3. get arizona
 4. wear hoodie
 5. go to florida
 6. get shot
Trayvon Martin was a 17-year-old African American male who was unarmed and got shot by a raciest [sic] mexican american.   ::snipping2:: 

http://thegrio.com/2012/05/24/trayvoning-trend-outrages-online-community/#s:trayvoning-1


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 24, 2012, 11:38:02 PM


Agreeing with you, Red.

Initially I had thought Zimmerman was..as portrayed in those early reports..an out of control neighborhood vigilante.

Then, slowly but surely  we got to learn more.

Probably in the minority here but...the more I read of Trayvon Martin, stolen jewelry, burglar tool, weed residue in his back pack..and more, well..I then began to wonder what kind of parental control he had. All that trouble at school and the response was to ship him off to his father's girlfriend. His father didn't even stay home that night, not sure about the girlfriend. Had he been my child with that kind of track record there's no way in hell he would've had a cell phone that night, 40 bucks in his pocket and been out and about anywhere. I believe that he did attack Zimmerman.


Agreeing with both Red and Toler.

Let's not forget that TM was supposedly going to the store for his younger brother.  (Hadn't seen or heard hide nor hair about that brother since.  Was the younger brother living with the father?  It would have been a school night for him.)  What kind of parental unit let's their 17 yo walk to a store 20 minutes away in the rain in the dark?

A mention about marijuana that I hadn't seen noted yet, is that it can cause paranoid behavior.

There are so many unanswered questions.

Am not the greatest with internet search, did the best I could and came up with not a lot.
This:- portion of a comment

" I can’t even find out how many children Sybrina or Tracy had. I know TM did not have any full brothers or sister but had maybe 4 or 5 half brothers and sisters. I can’t even find out who raised TM as it was said early in the story that someone not involved in the past year or so actually raised him."

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2012/05/autopsy-trayvon-martin-tested-positive-for-marijuana-george-zimmerman-shot-him-in-heart-at-close-range/comment-page-31/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 25, 2012, 02:15:37 AM
http://wavenewspapers.com/news/national_world/article_227eea10-a626-11e1-9ecf-0019bb30f31a.html
Tape showed Zimmerman's anger over black man's beating
May 24, 2012

(CNN) — George Zimmerman gave a scathing review of the Sanford Police Department and accused its chief of engaging in a cover-up during a public meeting in January 2011.

Zimmerman's anger stemmed from the case of Sherman Ware, a black homeless man who was beaten by the son of a white police lieutenant.

Since Zimmerman shot and killed unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in February — in what he insists was self-defense — Zimmerman's family has pointed to his efforts to "get justice" for Ware in response to people around the country who have accused him of racially profiling the 17-year-old. Zimmerman is Hispanic; Trayvon Martin was black.

Last year in September, Zimmerman wrote an e-mail to Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee saying, "In the past, I have not had a positive perspective of Sanford Police Department, due primarily to the Sherman Ware incident."

A video from the night of Ware's beating showed Justin Collison hitting the young man. Collison ended up pleading guilty to misdemeanor battery

Zimmerman's outrage over the incident was clear at the public meeting the previous January.

"I would just like to state that the law is written in black and white. It should not and cannot be enforced in the gray for those that are in the thin blue line," he said at the hearing. CNN obtained a recording this week.

He mentioned Brian Tooley, who was Sanford's police chief at the time of the Ware incident. "I'd like to know what action the commission intends on making in order to repeal Mr. Tooley's pension. I'm not asking you to repeal his pension. I believe that he's already forfeited his pension by his illegal cover-up and corruption and what happened in his department."

While Zimmerman is not heard specifically mentioning Ware in the recording, the official minutes from the hearing state that citizen demands included "a full review of the Sherman Ware cover-ups on behalf of" Sanford police.

Public outcries of police misconduct forced Tooley into early retirement. He was not charged with illegal activity.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 25, 2012, 10:43:22 AM
Trayvon Martin Day declared at D.C. elementary school

A D.C. elementary school has declared Friday “Trayvon Martin Day.”
Teachers at Malcolm X Elementary in southeast are using the unfolding case to teach children about social injustice and race relations in the U.S.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/05/trayvon-martin-day-declared-at-d-c-elementary-school-76327.html

Vid at link.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on May 25, 2012, 10:49:25 AM
Trayvon Martin Day declared at D.C. elementary school

A D.C. elementary school has declared Friday “Trayvon Martin Day.”
Teachers at Malcolm X Elementary in southeast are using the unfolding case to teach children about social injustice and race relations in the U.S.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/05/trayvon-martin-day-declared-at-d-c-elementary-school-76327.html

Vid at link.

I'm not grasping this at all...how is this case about race except for through the one's that are stating this case is about racism?  I understand using this case to teach children about gun safety.  I understand using this case to teach about how a nation can use the media for their own agenda...and turn something like this into a racial case...but not about social injustice and race combined...blah. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on May 25, 2012, 11:45:34 AM
Trayvon Martin Day declared at D.C. elementary school

A D.C. elementary school has declared Friday “Trayvon Martin Day.”
Teachers at Malcolm X Elementary in southeast are using the unfolding case to teach children about social injustice and race relations in the U.S.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/05/trayvon-martin-day-declared-at-d-c-elementary-school-76327.html

Vid at link.

I'm not grasping this at all...how is this case about race except for through the one's that are stating this case is about racism?  I understand using this case to teach children about gun safety.  I understand using this case to teach about how a nation can use the media for their own agenda...and turn something like this into a racial case...but not about social injustice and race combined...blah. 

I agree.

I hope the school is teaching that GZ has had his civil rights stripped away by politicians, celebrities,
MSM and so forth, and that he is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of his peers. Or the sad statistics of young black males dead or in prisons due to crime, violence, poverty and lack of education.

Unfortunately, I doubt this will be the case at Malcolm X Elementary.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 25, 2012, 03:18:22 PM
Trayvon Martin day at D.C. school

My fellow political junkies…allow me to briefly stray from usual fare of R’s vs. D’s and delve a bit into a subject I’ve been knee deep in lately. A couple of weeks ago I was sent to Florida to, as the boss put it, “dig up something new” on the Trayvon Martin case - a daunting assignment since it’s a story much of the media world had already thoroughly exposed…or so we thought.
 
While we were successful in finding some undiscovered nuggets in the investigation, what I really determined after surveying the neighborhood at day and night, reading countless background reports and talking with neighbors is that….we got it WRONG!
 
Yes, egg-on-our-faces wrong. We the media. We the general public. We the newsmakers on Capitol Hill.
 
How? We assumed. Then we took those assumptions, mixed them in a bowl full of emotions, prejudices, bigotry and election-year politics and got what we have now: a pressure cooker ready to constantly boil over.
 
Let’s start with the associations.
 
Case in point:
 
Friday, Malcolm X Elementary School in Washington DC decided to hold essentially a Trayvon Martin day. Students received bags of Skittles. Parents were encouraged to gulp down cold cans of Arizona Iced Tea.
I’m not being glib. This is true. Really.
 
The school is technically calling it the “Let’s Save Our Children” seminar to “allow this travesty to become a teachable moment in our community. This seminar will also act as a vehicle to establish partnerships between all community stakeholders.”
 
It seems countless people instantly picked sides…which are fine. We do it with sports/politics/reality TV.
 
But carrying ‘We Are Trayvon’ signs and donning hoodies or donating piles of money to the GZ Defense Fund were a bit presumptuous on most peoples’ behalves. None of us knows what really happened that night…yet passionate arguing could break out in any office space or cul-de-sac if you voiced favor for the ‘team’ opposite your co-worker or neighbor.
 
The photos of the two were subject to completely different interpretation based on which ones hit your ‘inbox’ (or which ones the news chose to publish). The backgrounds of the two were challenged or dismissed based on one’s own life experience. (Mind you, both had differences with the law over the years) The evidence was unknown yet we all seemed positive we could determine wound severity from some grainy surveillance video.
 
It was like a really bad game of Clue and none of us were going to win.
 Supposedly there was no doubt Trayvon Martin was the one yelling for help 14 times in 38 seconds. Then came the discovery papers last week and we learned neighbors say it was Zimmerman crying for help and that even Trayvon’s father after listening to 6 different audio tapes, admitted it was not his son shouting for assistance.
 
Supposedly Zimmerman’s injuries were superficial. Then we learn he suffered (although not requiring immediate hospitalization) a broken nose and serious cuts to the back of his head.
 
Supposedly officers gave Zimmerman a pass because he was ‘white’ and a neighborhood watch captain. Then we discover at least one officer felt Zimmerman should be charged with manslaughter and a special prosecutor with a highly-impressive record chose to charge him with the greater crime of 2nd degree murder.
 
Now, despite those accounts, reporters and supporters alike refuse to admit anything’s been clarified though some would really just rather not admit they got it wrong.
 
Sound confusing?
 
That’s the point. We don’t know.
 
We don’t know!
 
Yet we are almost all guilty of spreading half-truths and stirring the pot, even if unintentionally.
 
Finally, there’s Washington. You show me a polarizing controversy and I’ll show you a beltway full of politicos ready to take up verbal arms.
 
And of course, it also doesn’t help race relations when the President of the United States says if he had a son he would “…look like Trayvon.” He added another ingredient to this culinary disaster.
 
Further, plenty of people in-the-know have told me we’d be naïve to think DC didn’t have a heavy hand in the FBI’s choice to open a civil rights investigation to determine if what George Zimmerman did was a hate crime. IE, the orders came from up high.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/05/trayvon-martin-day-at-d-c-school-76338.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 25, 2012, 07:26:16 PM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/24/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
What was George Zimmerman`s Relationship with Sanford Police?
Aired May 24, 2012 - 19:00   ET


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 25, 2012, 09:21:34 PM
Sybrina Fulton’s Class and Dignity

It’s as I suspected: Sybrina Fulton is a much better person than I am.
 
Fulton is better known as the mother of Trayvon Martin. Before February 26, 2012 of this year, Martin was just another 17-year-old American teen. That was before George Zimmerman changed all that.
 
Zimmerman fired one fatal shot into Martin’s heart the night of February 26 and then claimed self-defense under Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law. The incident happened in a small Florida town called Sanford.
 
Fulton didn’t buy Zimmerman’s self-defense claim. Tracy Martin, Trayvon Martin’s father, didn’t buy it either.
 
Plenty of people in this country DO buy Zimmerman’s self-defense claim, but trust me: many of those folks are the same ones who made Lt. William Calley a hero, and he wasn’t innocent either.
 
After Sanford police released Zimmerman without charging him and conducted what might kindly be called a Keystone Kops investigation, Fulton and Tracy Martin got a hold of lawyer Benjamin Crump.
 
Crump got a hold of some folks who took the Trayvon Martin case national. Martin went from ordinary 17-year-old teen to slain teen to national cause célèbre within a matter of months.
 
On Sunday, May 20, 2012 Fulton visited Baltimore’s Empowerment Temple to say thank you to some of the thousands of people who have supported her nationwide. She talked of how her faith in God got her through the pain of losing her son; she hugged Empowerment Temple members who had lost their own family members to violence.
 
She did not mention the name “George Zimmerman” not once. That’s why she’s a much better person than I am.
 
Were I in her shoes, I’d mention Zimmerman’s name constantly, even in the wake of all that “evidence” released only a few days before Fulton visited Baltimore.
 
Prosecutors released the evidence showing Zimmerman with cuts to the back of his head and blood on his nose. Zimmerman’s supporters are now clucking about how the photos “prove” that he acted in self-defense.
 
They “prove” no such thing. They only prove a fight took place. We already knew that. What we don’t know is who started the fight. We do know, from Zimmerman’s injuries, that Martin was the one about to finish it before Zimmerman shot him.
 
If Zimmerman started the fight, then Martin was the one acting in self-defense. If Martin started the fight, then Martin was the one acting in self-defense.
 
Sounds contradictory? It isn’t. I contend that just before the fight started it was Trayvon Martin who genuinely feared for his life, because he was been followed and stalked by a bona fide nut job. And when you are being followed and stalked by a bona fide nut job, you are perfectly justified in doing what Martin did to Zimmerman.   ::snipping2:: 

http://baltimoretimes-online.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1509:sybrina-fultons-class-and-dignity-&catid=107:gregory-kane&Itemid=489


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 25, 2012, 09:24:47 PM
Trayvon Martin's father decries violence in visit to East St. Louis

Tracy Martin survived this city's tough streets, only to have his son, Trayvon, killed in a gated community in Florida.
 
Tracy Martin, who graduated from high school in East St. Louis in 1986, returned to his hometown on Friday as his son’s killing has thrust him into the national spotlight in a conversation over racial profiling.
 
Martin spoke about the heartache of losing his promising 17-year-old son in an encounter with a neighborhood watch coordinator at a small gated community in Sanford, Fla. George Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder six weeks after shooting the unarmed Trayvon while the teenager was walking to his father’s home after buying Skittles and iced tea at a 7-Eleven on Feb. 26.
 
The episode put a fresh national focus on issues of race and what constitutes self-defense.
 
Martin was joined by Trayvon’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, and brother Jahvaris Fulton, before an enthusiastic crowd of about 300 people at the North End Missionary Baptist Church, 463 North 88th Street, to encourage those who have lost loved ones to speak against violence and the use of guns. They have appeared at many such events, including in Miami, Los Angeles, New York and London.
 
Martin took the stage to chants of “Tracy! Tracy!”
 
He listed the names of streets and housing projects here where he had lived, explaining, “I’m from all over East St. Louis.”
 
He added: “I’m coming here because these are my people.”
 
Lamenting the change since children could safely play in the streets, he called for more outreach programs to educate them, keep them safe and occupy their time. “If you are going to take the guns away, you have to replace it with something,” he said. “The first thing is God.”
 
The crowd responded with the refrain “I am Trayvon Martin,” which has become a catchphrase for protesters expressing solidarity.
 
Sybrina Fulton, Trayvon’s mother, said of her son: “Trayvon was no different from any one of your kids. He’s your son, he’s your stepson, he’s your godson, he’s your nephew ... he’s all of our sons.”
 
Martin and Fulton have developed a nonprofit in their son’s memory to help fund the costs of traveling and organizing rallies.  ::snipping2:: 


Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/trayvon-martin-s-father-decries-violence-in-visit-to-east/article_d3e19518-a686-11e1-9c15-0019bb30f31a.html#ixzz1vvzTZOru


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 25, 2012, 09:28:43 PM


http://baltimoretimes-online.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1509:sybrina-fultons-class-and-dignity-&catid=107:gregory-kane&Itemid=489
Quote
Plenty of people in this country DO buy Zimmerman’s self-defense claim, but trust me: many of those folks are the same ones who made Lt. William Calley a hero, and he wasn’t innocent either.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-trayvon-martin-mother-20120517,0,5954721.story
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"Sybrina is going to serve as my generation's Rosa Parks, to really stand as a lamplight for the next movement in civil rights among the hip-hop generation," Bryant said.


Some folks are really trying to get emotions stirred up imo. 



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 25, 2012, 09:36:53 PM
Zimmerman trial outrage

Undoubtedly it is a tragedy that this episode occurred at all and resulted in the death of Trayvon Martin. However, in light of new facts based on an autopsy of the deceased, photos of Mr. Zimmerman coupled with a paramedic’s report, additional witness reports and other information, the determination of who the bona fide victim was may, in time, demonstrate that Trayvon Martin was not the completely innocent party some might have hoped.

Certainly Mr. Zimmerman made a tremendous mistake in not obeying the dispatcher’s orders to remain in his vehicle until police arrived. What followed that instruction, however, is where the case presently stands.

Like everyone else in this country and under the tenets of the Constitution and the laws of the land, Mr. Zimmerman remains innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. What is particularly disturbing is the hatred that has been directed at him, to the point of a bounty placed on his head by groups that have faced no consequences for such threats.

It is also disconcerting to contemplate the possibility that Mr. Zimmerman could be scapegoated to avoid the eruption of civil unrest if the results are less than satisfactory to some individuals.   ::snipping2:: 

KAREN L. BUNE

Adjunct professor

Department of Criminology, Law and Society

George Mason University

Fairfax

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/25/zimmerman-trial-outrage/



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 26, 2012, 01:22:37 PM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/25/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Blood Found in Isabel Celis House; More Info Revealed in Trayvon Martin Shooting
Aired May 25, 2012 - 19:00   ET

 ::snipping2::
BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In less than one year, George Zimmerman went from slamming the Sanford Police Department to singing its praises.

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, CHARGED WITH TRAYVON MARTIN SHOOTING: I also have had had the opportunity to take ride-alongs with the city of Sanford Police Department. And what I saw was disgusting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He says, "I have high hopes for and restored faith in your administration and the Sanford Police Department in its entirety.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, the Trayvon Martin family reacting right here on the show to a slew of stunning developments in the George Zimmerman case, including an inside look at exactly what kind of relationship Trayvon`s shooter had with the local police.

We`ve learned now that, over a year before George Zimmerman shot Trayvon, Zimmerman was outraged over how police handled this brutal caught- on-tape beating of an African-American homeless man by the son of a police lieutenant.

George Zimmerman accused cops of a cover-up and corruption and slammed the police department at a city hall meeting. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ZIMMERMAN: I also have had the opportunity to take ride-alongs with the city of Sanford Police Department. And what I saw was disgusting.

The officer showed me his favorite hiding spot for taking naps; explained to me that he doesn`t carry a long gun in his vehicle, because in his words, "Anything that requires a long gun requires a lot of paperwork, and you`re going to find me as far away from it." He took two lunch breaks and attended a going-away party for one of his fellow officers.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But, months later when new Police Chief Bill Lee took over, Zimmerman`s whole outlook on the Sanford Police Department changed.

He wrote in a letter, "I have high hopes for and restored faith in your administration and the Sanford Police Department in its entirety." He spoke specifically about the department`s volunteer coordinator. Writing in another e-mail, he described his close working relationship and quick responses to e-mails and phone calls.

Straight out to Natalie Jackson, the attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family.

Natalie, what is the reaction to the Martin family to this new information about shooter George Zimmerman`s relationship with the local police department that initially refused to arrest him after he shot Trayvon Martin dead?

NATALIE JACKSON, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN (via phone): Well, first, I`d like to say, Jane, that we believe George Zimmerman is innocent until trial. So I don`t want to get into George Zimmerman and his statements and everything.

But if you asked me about the relationships of the police department, one of the reasons that we got involved in this case is because we were concerned about the actions of the police. Not because of -- you know, George Zimmerman is one key, but we were concerned about the actions of the Sanford Police Department and the relationships that would cause a non- arrest in this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to bring in Mark Nejame, HLN legal analyst, a criminal defense attorney down there in Orlando where all this is going on. What do you make, Mark, of this back story between George Zimmerman and the police, the fact that he was sending e-mails and phone calls to this community volunteer coordinator, so the cops had to have known who he was?

MARK NEJAME, HLN LEGAL ANALYST: I don`t know if I buy that one, Jane. Just because somebody sends an e-mail to an administrator in a department doesn`t really flow down to the officers in any bureaucracy that I`m aware of.

I think Natalie`s point is well taken, though, that this really has to do with a review of what went on with the Sanford Police Department, and did they conduct an appropriate investigation? I think we now know that Chief Lee never met with him. And so the chief, who is the top of the food chain there, never met with Zimmerman, to all the information that I`ve been able to glean.

I think also it`s important to realize that the state attorney`s office is the one who makes the decision.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I heard the crying. It was a little boy. As soon as the gun went off, the crying stopped.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hear like a bump. You could hear that Trayvon -- somebody bumped Trayvon. I could hear the grass.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They always get away. This guy looks like he`s up to no good or he`s on drugs or something.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All I know is someone is on top of the other person, and I hear help, help, help yelled a couple times.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 911 and the other tapes were played for the Martin family, and they identified that as their son crying for help. That is absolutely positively George Zimmerman.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you definitely could tell another voice that was not Trayvon?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you heard this other voice say what?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What are you doing around here?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Another avalanche of new information about to be released in the Trayvon Martin shooting next week, and tonight there are a whole bunch of new questions about what crucial eyewitnesses actually saw the night Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin. The details surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin have been murky, and now the Orlando Sentinel reporting at least four witnesses have changed their stories. You remember this witness who described in detail a fight between Trayvon and Zimmerman with Zimmerman yelling for help.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I first walked out there, the black guy was on top. And the only reason I can tell that was because the guy that was on the ground under him at that point wrestling was definitely a lighter color.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, according to the Orlando Sentinel, that crucial witness has changed part of his story. And get this, there are at least three other witnesses who have reportedly changed their statements, too. Is the Trayvon Martin case a vortex of confusion and contradiction with witness after witness changing their stories? If there are questions about the few witnesses we have, does that make the testimony of Trayvon Martin`s girlfriend that much more important? She says she was on the phone with Trayvon moments before he was shot. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you definitely can tell another voice that was not Trayvon --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you heard this other voice say what?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What are you doing around here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are you doing around here. OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I call Trayvon, Trayvon, what`s going on, what`s going on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is you say saying that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Then I am calling him and he didn`t answer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No answer from Trayvon?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I hear something like bump, you can hear that Trayvon -- somebody bumped Trayvon because I could hear the grass.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`ll play more of that tape in a minute. Observers have suggested Angela Corey, the special prosecutor, relied heavily on the testimony of Trayvon`s girlfriend to charge George Zimmerman.

All right. I want to go back to Mark Nejame, HLN legal analyst. What do you make of four witnesses, four crucial witnesses reportedly changing their story? That`s huge.

NEJAME: Well, you know, it`s common that witnesses once they get subject to cross-examination and being questioned again, I don`t think in 30 years I`ve ever seen two witness statements line up.

I don`t know the depth of the changed stories. I don`t know if it helps or hurts one side or the other. I do know that sometimes minutia can be made into a mountain, and sometimes issues that are significant are turned into nothing because of the subject of cross-examination. So we need to find out what those changes are.

But, and we need to find out why those changes occurred. Is there a fee or is there something underfoot? Are there people being paid for stories that would influence their testimony? We need to find out what was changed and why it was changed.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and I guess we have to ask, since apparently three out of the four witnesses who changed their story changed it in a way that hurts George Zimmerman, you have to wonder, Michelle Suskauer, criminal defense attorney out of West Palm Beach, if they might have felt actually intimidated or scared because of all the uproar over the shooting.

MICHELLE SUSKAUER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Absolutely, Jane, because their names are out there, where they live is out there, and certainly how could all of this national and international pressure not affect them?

But what is significant is that each one of their credibility is going to be weighed if this case even makes it to a jury. And this just screams reasonable doubt. There is a conflict in the testimony here. And this is going to be a big problem for the state.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tanya Acker?

ACKER: I think I really have to take issue with that, because certainly the credibility of these witnesses is in question, but what is not necessarily in question is whether or not there`s reasonable doubt in this case. What is not at issue is there was a fight. We know there was a fight. What is at issue is whether or not George Zimmerman had any business pursuing this unarmed young man, who, by the way, you know, when you`re walking down the street, you have the right not to be accosted or molested by somebody who wants to know what you`re doing. Perhaps it`s none of their business. So the issue is not so much the fight. We know that there was a fight. We know that George Zimmerman sustained some injuries. The issue is what was he doing continuing to pursue Trayvon Martin when the police said we`ve got this, go home?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, to that point, a witness said he saw some MMA- style fighting. That means mixed martial arts. Listen to this witness, a crucial witness, explain exactly what he says he saw. Essentially, what he said was that he saw a -- I believe it was a black man on top of a lighter skinned man, and he said that Zimmerman was the one being beaten up, and he also said that he thought that the person being beaten up was the one who was yelling for help.

But here`s what`s so wild, and this is what gets me, is that Brian Russell, when he was reinterviewed after initially saying he thought Trayvon was throwing all these punches, martial arts style, he then said a couple weeks later, he was no longer sure that Trayvon was even throwing punches. He said this teenager may simply have been keeping Zimmerman pinned to the ground. That is a huge change when somebody said they saw martial arts movements, and then the next minute they`re saying they didn`t know what they saw at all, that he may have just been pinning him to the ground, Brian.

RUSSELL: Actually, Jane, as a lawyer and as a psychological expert witness, I can tell you that that is how it goes a lot of times with eyewitness testimony, and actually the changing stories probably reflect more the problems with the reliability of eyewitness testimony than the truth of what really happened. I think Mark Nejame was exactly right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, there are some major problems with these witnesses changing their stories. Witness No. 2 said she saw two guys running, and then she changed her story and said she caught a glimpse of one person running, and all this because she wasn`t wearing her contacts. Now another witness said at first she did not know who was on top in this confrontation. Now she says she is absolutely sure George Zimmerman was on top. And so we have all of these witnesses changing their story.

Natalie Jackson, the attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family, what do you make of four crucial witnesses changing their story?

NATALIE JACKSON, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON`S FAMILY: I think that a jury will hear all the evidence, Jane, and they`ll decide. They`ll hear it in a linear fashion and not the way that it`s been put out.

I did hear you say that -- that -- the -- I heard you say that the evidence is going to be relying upon the testimony, but I believe that George Zimmerman`s own words is really the crucial testimony in this case and the linchpin in this case for the prosecution.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But let me ask Michelle Suskauer, what happens in court during a trial when a witness says one thing, and then says something completely different? How is a lawyer going to use that to impeach their testimony?

SUSKAUER: Well, that`s exactly what they do. They`re going to -- the witness will testify, and then the lawyer will elicit the fact that they made a statement completely differently at another time, and the time that they made the statement was much closer to when the actual incident happened, and it makes a difference.

But, Jane, what`s important is that if this even gets to a jury, which it may not because of a stand your ground motion to dismiss that will be heard first. What`s really crucial is that the court would instruct the jury that they can find reasonable doubt from the evidence, from a lack of evidence, or from the conflict in the evidence. And this is conflict. These are key witnesses. Because all you have is Zimmerman and these witnesses. You do not have Trayvon Martin to tell his side of the story.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Michelle Suskauer has been saying that she thinks the stand your ground hearing could have the case thrown out, but a lot of people say that`s wishful thinking on their part if that`s what they want. Which a lot of people don`t want.

ACKER: Jane, the authors of the stand your ground law say it does not protect George Zimmerman in this case. The stand your ground law does not give you the right to pursue someone. It does not give you the right nor any self-defense theory generally does not give you the right to pursue someone, to provoke a confrontation, and then hide behind it.

According to this 911 tape, George Zimmerman was instructed to go home. He did not. So certainly there was a fight. Certainly we have got conflicting witness testimony about who was on top and who was throwing punches. The stand your ground law did not give Zimmerman the right to pursue this kid and then have a confrontation escalate.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Natalie Jackson, last word, ten seconds, do we have any idea when the stand your ground hearing is going to occur?

JACKSON: I agree with Michelle. I would be very surprised if the stand your ground hearing even takes place. I don`t think that one will happen. And if it does happen, I do not believe George Zimmerman will win that hearing. It will go to trial.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, thank you so much, fantastic panel, for joining me on this. We are all over this case. We will stay on top of it. And I`ll tell you one thing I`ve learned covering these mega cases, they`re like runaway freight trains. You never know where they`re going to go next. Back in a moment.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 27, 2012, 03:03:07 PM
Trayvon Martin Gets the Shepard Fairey Treatment
The 'Hope' poster artist has immortalized the dead Florida teen in a new work for Ebony magazine.

21 Mar 2012, Miami, Florida, USA --- Here's tragic Florida teen Trayvon Martin, who was fatally shot by a self-appointed neighbourhood watch rep George Zimmerman as he walked in an apartment complex in Sanford. The 17-year-old's killing has caused a national outcry and sparked calls for Zimmerman's arrest. Zimmerman has claimed he fired his gun in self defence.
It was probably bound to happen: L.A. street artist and Obama “Hope” poster creator Shepard Fairey has turned Trayvon Martin into an icon.

The artist was commissioned by Ebony magazine a few months ago to create the piece; Fairey only just shared the image on his blog, saying he had to keep the artwork under wraps until the issue hit newsstands earlier this week. (Ebony is owned by Time Inc., the parent company of TIME and TIME.com.)

On the Trayvon Martin case, Fairey writes:

“I have followed Trayvon’s case closely and I think any compassionate human being can relate to Trayvon as a brother or son and would want to see a thorough investigation into the killing of an unarmed person. In my portrait I wanted to emphasize Trayvon’s humanity as well as the public outcry for a just investigation into his death.”

The artwork is based on the now-famous image of Martin in a hooded sweatshirt, in the same signature style as Fairey’s Hope posters and TIME Magazine covers.

Some have wondered, however, whether it’s too similar to Fairey’s earlier work, and whether at this point in the news cycle — as Martin’s accused killer George Zimmerman faces the prospect of a long and complex trial for second-degree murder — its message will make much difference.  ::snipping2::

Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/05/25/trayvon-martin-gets-the-shepard-fairey-treatment/#ixzz1w67snpP1


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 27, 2012, 03:06:30 PM
Trayvon Martin’s parents in town to condemn violence

Fighting back tears, the parents of slain Florida teenager Trayvon Martin stood beside the Rev. Jesse Jackson Sr. and relatives of Chicago area murder victims on Saturday to stress the need to end “senseless gun violence.”
 
“We are the voice of Trayvon Martin,” Martin’s mother Sybrina Fulton said.
 
“He’s not here to speak for himself so we as his parents have decided instead of sitting back and not doing anything, this is what we have decided to do, to help our community and to help other parents.”
 
As she spoke about her son, Fulton also detailed her family’s Justice for Trayvon Foundation, which helps teens identify signs of racial profiling. She also called on Congress to amend Florida’s Stand Your Ground law, which allows a person in fear of bodily harm to use force, even deadly force, in the face of a perceived threat.   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/12789483-418/trayvon-martins-parents-in-town-to-condemn-violence.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 27, 2012, 03:08:03 PM
Yep.  I went to the link Toler provided and saw just what I thought I would see.  Trayvon Martin's face immortalized as a young child.  He is not immortalized as the young man he grew up to be.  Why? 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 27, 2012, 03:10:23 PM
Yep.  I went to the link Toler provided and saw just what I thought I would see.  Trayvon Martin's face immortalized as a young child.  He is not immortalized as the young man he grew up to be.  Why? 

Could it be using the young child's face suits the purpose better?  And what purpose it that?  What is wrong with using recent images of Trayvon Martin? 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on May 27, 2012, 03:40:06 PM


Some folks are really trying to get emotions stirred up imo. 




Yep, spin it and stir it up, regardless of what the truth may be.

Tracy and Sabrina speak of racial profiling.  How did TM become the poster boy and martyr, when there have been so many young black men who have fallen before and after him?  Could it be because GZ is the perfect accused because he is "white" and "hispanic"?  Is there such a thing as reverse racial profiling?

jmo and just asking


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 27, 2012, 04:16:14 PM
Interesting Development – Trayvon Martin Quid Pro Quo at the 7-11? Update – Confirmed
 Conservativetreehouse ^ | 26 May 2012 | sundancecracker

Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2012 10:07:11 AM by ironman

Treeper Diwataman, has done an amazing job deconstructing the video evidence and now uncovered a considerably interesting aspect of Trayvon Martin’s visit to the 7-11 by using the raw feed video from the evidence release, not the media edited versions.

Trayvon checked out from “his” purchase at 6:24.   But as this video highlights he didn’t leave right away.   About a minute after he walks out, 3 other rather dubious characters walk in.  After they make their purchases and leave at 6:29 Trayvon is seen walking away outside the building. (*The narrator of this video is not associated with the Treehouse, he is an independent U-Tube video guy, and yes, he curses at the end. Sorry)

So what was Trayvon waiting outside for? And what did Trayvon and the 3 stooges coordinate after they left? Why did he wait around outside for approximately 5 minutes after he exited the 7-11? Obviously “occams Razor” would infer that he got something from one or more of the 3 stooges and then headed home.

As far as what he asked Curly (the white guy – one of the 3 stooges) to buy. That question appears answered in the following video. Curly is holding the two bills that Trayvon held in his hand when he exited the building. Curly buys two Blunts for Trayvon, and one for himself and heads outside while Moe (wearing a hoodie like Kenny from Southpark) makes his purchase with a debit card. Apparently while Moe is paying, Curly is outside giving Trayvon the Blunts.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2888528/posts


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 27, 2012, 04:23:35 PM
25 people shot, one dead, across city
 
 Map of shooting scenes
Tribune reporter
 
8:36 a.m. CDT, May 27, 2012
More than two dozen people were shot across the city between late Saturday afternoon and early Sunday morning.

One died and several others are in critical condition in shootings that left  a total of 25 people injured, according to police. A 6-year-old girl was among the wounded.

Five people were shot on the West Side within 20 minutes of each other in two separate attacks about 2:10 a.m. and 2:30 a.m. Police are investigating the possibility that they're related – they happened about five blocks apart.

A party bus stopped on the 2400 block of West Roosevelt Road in the Lawndale neighborhood to let people into a bar and about 45 minutes later, the driver heard people shooting and hit the floor of his bus.

Only a few women were on the bus when the shots rang out, driver Cash Vait said. He was waiting for his passengers, some of whom were exiting the bar, when someone started shooting. Vait said he heard between three and five shots and dropped to the ground, unable to see who was shooting. Moments later, he heard a second volley of shots to the north.

Three men – 18, 19, and one whose age wasn't available – were hit. Vait said he saw people swarm one man, who dropped in the street.

"I saw three or four guys pumping him, he was wearing a white shirt, and it had blood all over it," Vait said.

Evidence markers littered the area in front of the bar and about seventy five feet to the east, in the street. About a dozen marked and unmarked cars were in the area, parked in a nearby gas station or blocking traffic both ways on Roosevelt Road. Casings were also found inside the bar, police said.

The 19-year-old, identified by the Cook County medical examiner's office as Jaleel Beasley, died at Mount Sinai Hospital at 2:34 a.m. A spokeswoman for that office wasn't able to say where Beasley lived.

The 18-year-old was shot in the leg and is in stable condition at John H. Stroger, Jr. Hospital of Cook County, and the other person was dropped off at Stroger hospital with a gunshot wound to the chest, police said.

The bus had picked people up from west suburban Bellwood but was stuck behind crime scene tape and everyone inside had to catch cabs back to the suburb, Vait said.

A couple blocks around the corner north in the 700 block of South Western Avenue, police found two people shot inside an SUV that appeared to have collided with something. The front end of the car was damaged and the driver's side airbag had deployed, though bullet holes weren't visible from the front, back or passenger sides, police said.

A 30-year-old man was shot in the leg and a 28-year-old man was shot in the back and shoulder, police said. Both of the men were taken to Stroger hospital. The younger of the two is in critical condition, and the older is in good condition.

Early Saturday night, a 6-year-old girl and two others were shot in two attacks blocks apart in the Marquette Park neighborhood on the Southwest Side. Police said the child was playing in front of her house on the 6900 block of South Artesian Avenue about 4:15 p.m. when two groups of people on the corner of 68th and Artesian – one in a car, one on the corner – started arguing.

Someone inside the car shot at the group on the corner and missed, instead hitting the girl. The intended targets fled south from 68th Street toward the girl and the car fled east on 68th Street, police said.

The child was shot in the arm and is in good condition at Holy Cross Hospital, Chicago Police Department News Affairs Sgt. Antoinette Ursitti said. The child's mother drove her to Holy Cross Hospital, a few blocks west on California Avenue between 68th and 69th streets.

Less than two hours later and a few blocks away, two men were wounded in what police said may have been a retaliatory attack. The shooting happened shortly before 6 p.m. on the 2500 block of West 71st Street, said police News Affairs Officer Dan O'Brien. According to preliminary reports, both victims drove themselves to Holy Cross Hospital.

One of them, 22, was listed in serious condition with gunshot wounds to his arm, leg and buttocks, O'Brien said. The other man, 25, suffered a wound to his hand. As of 6:45 p.m., no one was in custody for the shootings and Area Central detectives were investigating.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-2-wounded-in-south-side-shooting-20120526,0,3445715.story

Guessing they didn't get the message...



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 27, 2012, 05:02:16 PM
Trayvon is seeking a source for the prescription drug Codeine. Eventually we learn that he’s not seeking the pill form, but rather a “liquid” form, which he says he’s “had…before.”
 
His friend responds that he doesn’t NEED codeine – that he can just mix Robitussin and soda to make…
 

“…some fire @$$ lean.”

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/24/update-26-part-2-trayvon-martin-shooting-a-year-of-drug-use-culminates-in-predictable-violence/



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 27, 2012, 06:40:55 PM
Police accuse Wyclef Jean and Al Sharpton of laundering money for drug kingpin also linked to P. Diddy

Police suspected singer Wyclef Jean and activist and TV host Reverend Al Sharpton of being involved in laundering drug money, Brooklyn federal court has heard.
Mr Jean allegedly received a $60,000 loan from hip hop manager James Rosamond, who is currently on trial for drug charges, and Mr Sharpton was allegedly given a $10,000 donation by the suspected drug kingpin, according to thesmokinggun.com.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149667/Police-accuse-Wyclef-Jean-Al-Sharpton-laundering-money-drug-kingpin-linked-P-Diddy.html#ixzz1w71JydKG


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 27, 2012, 06:53:36 PM
Walter Williams Column: Should Black People Tolerate This ?

   ::snipping2:: There are a few civil rights leaders with a different vision. When President Barack Obama commented about the Trayvon Martin case, T. Willard Fair, president of the Urban League of Greater Miami, told The Daily Caller that "the outrage should be about us killing each other, about black-on-black crime." He asked rhetorically, "Wouldn't you think to have 41 people shot (in Chicago) between Friday morning and Monday morning would be much more newsworthy and deserve much more outrage?" Former NAACP leader Pastor C.L. Bryant said the rallies organized by Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson suggest there is an epidemic of "white men killing black young men," adding: "The epidemic is truly black-on-black crime. The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men."   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2888594/posts


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 27, 2012, 07:41:31 PM
Walter Williams Column: Should Black People Tolerate This ?

   ::snipping2:: There are a few civil rights leaders with a different vision. When President Barack Obama commented about the Trayvon Martin case, T. Willard Fair, president of the Urban League of Greater Miami, told The Daily Caller that "the outrage should be about us killing each other, about black-on-black crime." He asked rhetorically, "Wouldn't you think to have 41 people shot (in Chicago) between Friday morning and Monday morning would be much more newsworthy and deserve much more outrage?" Former NAACP leader Pastor C.L. Bryant said the rallies organized by Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson suggest there is an epidemic of "white men killing black young men," adding: "The epidemic is truly black-on-black crime. The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men."   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2888594/posts


Amen! Finally a voice of reason...


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 27, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Yep.  I went to the link Toler provided and saw just what I thought I would see.  Trayvon Martin's face immortalized as a young child.  He is not immortalized as the young man he grew up to be.  Why? 

Could it be using the young child's face suits the purpose better?  And what purpose it that?  What is wrong with using recent images of Trayvon Martin? 

This is all going to backfire...previous folks, including myself have been sickened by all of this...truth needs to come out on both sides, both people involved in this fiasco...smoke and mirrors and Chinese whispers doesn't cut it.....truth does!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on May 27, 2012, 08:11:07 PM
Zimmerman trial outrage

Undoubtedly it is a tragedy that this episode occurred at all and resulted in the death of Trayvon Martin. However, in light of new facts based on an autopsy of the deceased, photos of Mr. Zimmerman coupled with a paramedic’s report, additional witness reports and other information, the determination of who the bona fide victim was may, in time, demonstrate that Trayvon Martin was not the completely innocent party some might have hoped.

Certainly Mr. Zimmerman made a tremendous mistake in not obeying the dispatcher’s orders to remain in his vehicle until police arrived. What followed that instruction, however, is where the case presently stands.

Like everyone else in this country and under the tenets of the Constitution and the laws of the land, Mr. Zimmerman remains innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. What is particularly disturbing is the hatred that has been directed at him, to the point of a bounty placed on his head by groups that have faced no consequences for such threats.

It is also disconcerting to contemplate the possibility that Mr. Zimmerman could be scapegoated to avoid the eruption of civil unrest if the results are less than satisfactory to some individuals.   ::snipping2:: 

KAREN L. BUNE

Adjunct professor

Department of Criminology, Law and Society

George Mason University

Fairfax

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/25/zimmerman-trial-outrage/



worth repeating!!!!!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 27, 2012, 10:27:47 PM
The Gantt Report: Don’t believe so-called ‘evidence’ hype

Sunday, 27 May 2012

Of all of the evidence that has been released in the Trayvon Martin case, none has been debated and scrutinized more than the alleged injuries suffered by George Zimmerman, the shooter.
 Photos have surfaced showing Zimmerman with various cuts and bruises on his nose, head and perhaps other places. And, two days after Trayvon was gunned down, Zimmerman’s personal physician claimed Zimmerman had blackened eyes and a broken nose.
 
Well, we all know the devil is tricky. The devil will make you think the victim is the criminal and the murderous stalker was an innocent bystander in fear of his life.
 
Well, I don’t trust Zimmerman or his doctor and their medical records that were mysteriously created two days after the horrible shooting.
 
I trust the video that was made at police headquarters 30 minutes after the murder was committed that did not show any black eyes, broken noses, bloody heads or grass-stained clothing. You tell me: How can you breathe with a broken nose when your mouth is shut? On the video, Zimmerman breathed but spoke little or not at all.

Trayvon never stalked or followed Zimmerman. Trayvon didn’t talk to police about Zimmerman and use suspicious or derogatory and insensitive language. Zimmerman wasn’t standing any ground. Testimony in pre-trial procedures has talked about Zimmerman being a Hispanic who loves little black children. I told you the devil is tricky.     One drop of white blood makes George Zimmerman white.
 
I know you don’t like for me to write like this but let me explain.

Almost anybody who is not of African descent can walk on the white side should they decide to do so. South Americans, Cubans and even some Asians can pass for white in certain circumstances.
 
Zimmerman is part and parcel of and has significant access to the white American power structure. He didn’t call the Cuban Bar Association for legal assistance. He didn’t contact the any fraternal organization of Hispanic police officers. He didn’t request help from the Puerto Rican Guardian Angels.
 
Zimmerman went home for help. He went to the white man.

Zimmerman’s lawyer is white. The prosecutor is white. The bailiff is white. The police officers who arrested him were probably white. And who do you think is sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to Zimmerman’s websites? No, it is not the Fruit of Islam or the New Black Panther Party.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.sfltimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10045&Itemid=331
 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on May 27, 2012, 11:59:17 PM
The Gantt Report: Don’t believe so-called ‘evidence’ hype

Sunday, 27 May 2012

Of all of the evidence that has been released in the Trayvon Martin case, none has been debated and scrutinized more than the alleged injuries suffered by George Zimmerman, the shooter.
 Photos have surfaced showing Zimmerman with various cuts and bruises on his nose, head and perhaps other places. And, two days after Trayvon was gunned down, Zimmerman’s personal physician claimed Zimmerman had blackened eyes and a broken nose.
 
Well, we all know the devil is tricky. The devil will make you think the victim is the criminal and the murderous stalker was an innocent bystander in fear of his life.
 
Well, I don’t trust Zimmerman or his doctor and their medical records that were mysteriously created two days after the horrible shooting.
 
I trust the video that was made at police headquarters 30 minutes after the murder was committed that did not show any black eyes, broken noses, bloody heads or grass-stained clothing. You tell me: How can you breathe with a broken nose when your mouth is shut? On the video, Zimmerman breathed but spoke little or not at all.

Trayvon never stalked or followed Zimmerman. Trayvon didn’t talk to police about Zimmerman and use suspicious or derogatory and insensitive language. Zimmerman wasn’t standing any ground. Testimony in pre-trial procedures has talked about Zimmerman being a Hispanic who loves little black children. I told you the devil is tricky.     One drop of white blood makes George Zimmerman white.
 
I know you don’t like for me to write like this but let me explain.

Almost anybody who is not of African descent can walk on the white side should they decide to do so. South Americans, Cubans and even some Asians can pass for white in certain circumstances.
 
Zimmerman is part and parcel of and has significant access to the white American power structure. He didn’t call the Cuban Bar Association for legal assistance. He didn’t contact the any fraternal organization of Hispanic police officers. He didn’t request help from the Puerto Rican Guardian Angels.
 
Zimmerman went home for help. He went to the white man.

Zimmerman’s lawyer is white. The prosecutor is white. The bailiff is white. The police officers who arrested him were probably white. And who do you think is sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to Zimmerman’s websites? No, it is not the Fruit of Islam or the New Black Panther Party.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.sfltimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10045&Itemid=331
 


So much hatred.  WOW!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 28, 2012, 12:08:26 AM
^^^^^

quote.."One drop of white blood makes George Zimmerman white."

and from a response.."
written by JG, May 27, 2012

"One drop of white blood makes George Zimmerman white. "

Does 50% white blood make Barack Obama white."


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: KittyMom on May 28, 2012, 11:51:36 AM
What is our country coming to?  The shade of skin does nothing but cover the red blood that flows through all of us.  How our Father must be weeping.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on May 29, 2012, 12:44:47 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-28/news/os-george-zimmerman-omara-more-evidence-20120528_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-evidence-statements

Court motions preview evidence public hasn't seen in George Zimmerman case
6:51 p.m. EST, May 28, 2012|
By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel

In recent days, the public has seen a great deal of the evidence against George Zimmerman, including Trayvon Martin's autopsy records, crime-scene photos, interview recordings and police reports. But his lawyer says there's still a lot we haven't seen.

When the mountain of evidence was released earlier this month, defense attorney Mark O'Mara issued a statement saying prosecutors have turned over only "about half" of the evidence gathered so far in the second-degree-murder case against Zimmerman.

So what's left? Documents filed with the court by both the state and defense seeking to keep certain records under seal offer a peek behind the curtain and preview potentially important evidence.

But based on what what's out there now, legal experts say it's unlikely there's a bombshell waiting.

"I think that we have seen the best the state has to offer to this point," said Bill Sheaffer, an Orlando defense attorney and WFTV-Channel 9 legal analyst.

Statements could challenge credibility
When prosecutors released recordings of interviews with witnesses in the case, the voice of the man who fired the fatal shot was notably absent. Zimmerman has given multiple statements to authorities. None has been released.

When prosecutors released recordings of interviews with witnesses in the case, the voice of the man who fired the fatal shot was notably absent. Zimmerman has given multiple statements to authorities. None has been released.

Special Prosecutor Angela Corey's office withheld those records, arguing that they fall under a statutory exemption for confessions. Zimmerman admits to shooting the unarmed 17-year-old but claims he fired in self-defense.

Those statements are likely the most important evidence the public hasn't seen, Sheaffer said.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 29, 2012, 09:08:28 AM
10 slain, dozens injured in weekend shootings
Killings are double the figure for Memorial Day 2011

6:59 a.m. CDT, May 29, 2012
A man was shot dead near a raucous outdoor holiday party in the South Shore neighborhood late Monday night, bringing the number of homicides to 10 during a warm and violent Memorial Day weekend.

More than 40 shootings were reported during the four-day weekend. The city has had more homicides and shootings so far in 2012 than during the same time last year, according to unofficial briefing summaries prepared by the Chicago Police Department.

A department spokesman would not confirm the tally, saying several incidents were still under investigation and could not be classified at this time.

According to the summaries, there have been at least 200 homicides so far this year compared with 134 during the same period in 2011. That's a 49.25 percent increase over last year.

On Tuesday, Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy are expected to hold a news conference where they discuss two new crime reduction strategies.

The 10 people killed over the long weekend outnumber the four reported slain during the 2011 holiday weekend, when severe storms hit the Chicago area and forced many people inside.
Shootings are up nearly 14 percent over last year, according to the unofficial summaries. There have been 851 shootings so far in 2012 compared with 747 during the same period in 2011, the police data showed.   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-9-slain-dozens-injured-in-weekend-shootings-20120528,0,2966984.story


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 29, 2012, 09:11:52 AM
Barney Frank shocks graduation ceremony by telling black student: 'You can wear
this hoodie and no one will shoot at you'

Audiences at a graduation ceremony were left aghast when Congressman Barney Frank told a black degree recipient that his graduation gown finally gave him a hoodie that he could wear 'and no one will shoot at you'. The Democrat made the controversial remarks while speaking at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth graduation on Sunday. Frank was one of two people to receive the Chancellor's Distinguished Service Medal at the event. His comments were directed at Hubie Jones, a black recipient of an honorary doctorate, who he said had 'played a major role in diminishing inequality'.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=683086


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 29, 2012, 04:06:20 PM
Judge To Rule On Media Access To Zimmerman's Statements
Prosecution, Defense Want To Keep Information Secret

SANFORD, Fla.  — WESH.com

A judge is expected to rule Friday whether or not to keep George Zimmerman's statement to police secret.
 
That judge, Ken Lester, will hear from the prosecution and the defense in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.
 
Zimmerman made statements to investigators about the shooting and members of the media argue that those statements should be made public.
 
Defense attorney Richard Hornsby said Zimmerman's statements can make or break the case for either side.
 
"It is the key to the state's murder prosecution, and it's also the basis for his defense to claim self-defense," said Hornsby.
 
Prosecutors argue Zimmerman's statements can be seen as a confession to a crime and by law can not be released to the public along with other evidence.   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47604266


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 29, 2012, 04:14:43 PM
An Emotional Homecoming for Trayvon Martin’s Parents
Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton returned to Tracy’s hometown for an emotional gathering.

REPORTING FROM EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS — It was an event with ovations so thunderous and repeated that it seemed, at times, that the walls of the church would give way. Tracy Martin, the father of slain teenager Trayvon Martin, returned to his hometown of East St. Louis, Illinois. And the city turned out in force at the North End Baptist Church.
 
 Trayvon’s parents and their lawyer traveled to this small town, on the banks of the Mississippi River and across from St. Louis, for an emotional Stop the Violence event at the church Friday. The city’s treasurer, clergy and a large number of Trayvon’s family attended the event, which was part rally and part worship service.
 
 “It feels good to be home,” Martin said, to roaring applause. “I’m proud to be a product of East St. Louis. I’m happy to see so many family members out there. I love you all.”
 
 Martin, who typically limits his remarks to a few minutes, spoke a great length, largely on the newly created Justice for Trayvon Martin Foundation. He said the foundation was designed to undertake advocacy and support for families who have had to deal with “senseless violence” and the need for communities to work together to prevent violence.
 
 The family’s lawyer, Benjamin Crump, said that another goal of the foundation was to teach conflict resolution techniques to young people. A third goal was to increase awareness “against all kinds of profiling.” The foundation would work toward reversing laws such as Florida’s controversial "Stand Your Ground" law, which many have criticized as license for vigilante activity.
 
 “We have to learn to embrace each other,” Martin said. “If we could just take the guns away from people, we would have a better society. But you would have to replace them with something. The first thing is to replace them with God. The second thing is love. And third is education.”  ::snipping2::

http://www.bet.com/news/national/2012/05/29/an-emotional-homecoming-for-trayvon-martin-s-parents.html?ftcnt=HP_News


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 30, 2012, 10:40:59 AM
Trayvon Martin shooting wasn't a case of racial profiling
 By Mark NeJame, CNN Contributor

(CNN) -- Ever since the Trayvon Martin case came to national attention, George Zimmerman has been described by some as having racially profiled the 17-year-old before he was shot and killed.
 
There's a difference of opinion about whether racial profiling was actually involved, but a key question that is often overlooked is the distinction between profiling by a citizen and profiling by a member of law enforcement. That distinction is likely to be crucial in determining the direction the case may go.
 
As a criminal defense attorney for more than 30 years, I can't even begin to recall how many cases my firm has handled that involved challenging law enforcement officers for the practice of stopping or searching an individual based on what is typically referred to as racial profiling.
 
Essentially, racial profiling occurs when race, national origin or ethnicity is the primary or sole consideration used by an officer of the law when intervening in a law enforcement capacity. Racial profiling is a form of discrimination that is not only despicable, but also is an illegal and improper basis for any police officer to stop, search, arrest or investigate another person.
 
The issue of racial profiling has been bandied about often in discussions of Martin's shooting. As with many things concerning the case, much misinformation has circulated.
 
What Trayvon Martin's girlfriend heard
Zimmerman was not a law enforcement agent. He was a civilian, operating under different legal standards than those applied to the police. Merely because he was a neighborhood watch captain does not attach law enforcement status to him.
 
Tape showed Zimmerman's anger over black man's beating
 
It has been reported that he acquired a concealed weapon permit, which legally allowed him to conceal the gun that was used to shoot and kill Martin.
 
Hence, although Zimmerman was possibly negligent, irresponsible and exercised poor judgment, it was not illegal for him to follow Martin, carry a gun when doing so or even ignore the opinion of the civilian 911 dispatcher when advised, regarding his following Martin, "OK, we don't need you to do that."
 
The only legal relevance as to whether race was the determining factor in the following and killing of Martin was whether it goes to establish if Zimmerman exercised a "depraved mind" regarding the killing.
 
This requisite depravity is a necessary element for second-degree murder in Florida, the crime for which Zimmerman has been charged. If racism or bigotry can be established as the basis for killing Martin, then a second-degree murder charge could be appropriate.
 
However, with the evidence that has emerged, especially that contained within the discovery documents released in recent days, proof of a racial motive concerning the shooting seems wholly lacking.   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/30/opinion/nejame-zimmerman-racial-profiling/index.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on May 30, 2012, 12:10:34 PM
An Emotional Homecoming for Trayvon Martin’s Parents
Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton returned to Tracy’s hometown for an emotional gathering.

REPORTING FROM EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS — It was an event with ovations so thunderous and repeated that it seemed, at times, that the walls of the church would give way. Tracy Martin, the father of slain teenager Trayvon Martin, returned to his hometown of East St. Louis, Illinois. And the city turned out in force at the North End Baptist Church.
 
 Trayvon’s parents and their lawyer traveled to this small town, on the banks of the Mississippi River and across from St. Louis, for an emotional Stop the Violence event at the church Friday. The city’s treasurer, clergy and a large number of Trayvon’s family attended the event, which was part rally and part worship service.
 
 “It feels good to be home,” Martin said, to roaring applause. “I’m proud to be a product of East St. Louis. I’m happy to see so many family members out there. I love you all.”
 
 Martin, who typically limits his remarks to a few minutes, spoke a great length, largely on the newly created Justice for Trayvon Martin Foundation. He said the foundation was designed to undertake advocacy and support for families who have had to deal with “senseless violence” and the need for communities to work together to prevent violence.
 
 The family’s lawyer, Benjamin Crump, said that another goal of the foundation was to teach conflict resolution techniques to young people. A third goal was to increase awareness “against all kinds of profiling.” The foundation would work toward reversing laws such as Florida’s controversial "Stand Your Ground" law, which many have criticized as license for vigilante activity.
 
 “We have to learn to embrace each other,” Martin said. “If we could just take the guns away from people, we would have a better society. But you would have to replace them with something. The first thing is to replace them with God. The second thing is love. And third is education.”  ::snipping2::

http://www.bet.com/news/national/2012/05/29/an-emotional-homecoming-for-trayvon-martin-s-parents.html?ftcnt=HP_News
::MonkeyTongue::

Wonder how much Traymom pulled inthis time....I also wonder if she, Tracy and his brother receive profits from the poster that is modeled after the HOPE one from the 2008 US POTUS campaign....but, if guns are taken away we become a defenseless society, sitting ducks since really it's not like the criminals are law abiding citizens anyway....wonder if they are opposed to reverse racism also ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on May 30, 2012, 12:14:49 PM
TOLER-

Did you see those videos from the 7-11 of what they call Larry, Moe and Curly? I couldn't believe that one kid (or I assume it was a kid) in the hoodie literally drawn up so tight you couldnt see anything but maybe a nose...if I had been the one behind the counter I would have called 911 just out of fear, all 3 looked sketchy. But, I also noticed Trayvon came back and had read and heard he didn't go straight home according to the time stamp on the recording and all that, but that video was extremely interesting and I wonder how many more are out there from the 7-11, how many outside cameras caught anything in the shopping strip where the 7-11 was ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on May 30, 2012, 09:00:45 PM
Interesting about 7-11


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 31, 2012, 12:36:59 AM
TOLER-

Did you see those videos from the 7-11 of what they call Larry, Moe and Curly? I couldn't believe that one kid (or I assume it was a kid) in the hoodie literally drawn up so tight you couldnt see anything but maybe a nose...if I had been the one behind the counter I would have called 911 just out of fear, all 3 looked sketchy. But, I also noticed Trayvon came back and had read and heard he didn't go straight home according to the time stamp on the recording and all that, but that video was extremely interesting and I wonder how many more are out there from the 7-11, how many outside cameras caught anything in the shopping strip where the 7-11 was ::MonkeyCool::

Yeah, I did see the vid, Island. There's a loooong interesting article about the store vid posted way back somewhere...will look for it tomorrow and post link for you. Won't be surprised to hear there are cameras outside the store as well... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 31, 2012, 12:40:27 AM
George Zimmerman's Lawyer Prepares His Twinkie Defense Strategy "The Monty Python Defense"

My client George Zimmerman is a very vulnerable individual weighing only 250 pounds. Fragile and delicate like a petite, gamine ballet dancer. His assailant Trayvon Martin was over 100 pounds lighter -- making him much more agile and dangerous. Furthermore Trayvon Martin was armed with a bag of Skittles AND an iced tea. These are lethal weapons. It is no wonder that my client felt so threatened. And quite understandably felt that his life was in danger.

Further, my client was raised on a steady diet of the educational television program "Monty Python's Flying Circus" in which people are taught to use a gun to shoot people armed with such frightening weapons.

For example in the lesson "Self-Defense Against Fresh Fruit" (Season 1: Episode 4), a man who is attacked by an assailant wielding a banana is only prevented from being murdered by shooting the attacker with a handgun.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-lewis/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman_b_1379289.html



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 31, 2012, 12:43:36 AM
Activist sues Sanford over Trayvon Martin public records

A political activist who's repeatedly asked Sanford to produce public records in the Trayvon Martin shooting – especially police-made videos – on Wednesday sued the city, accusing it of willfully violating the state's public records act. Charles Grapski began making the requests April 3, according to his suit.

Over the next two weeks, he made three others, his suit alleges. Although a month has now passed, he has not received the records, according to his attorney, Lawrence G. Walters of Longwood., nor has he been given a written reason, explaining why they're exempt from public disclosure.

The city's response, Walters said Wednesday, "is ridiculous. … These are our records. They don't belong to the city." Grapski was requesting videos, police records related to Neighborhood Watch groups and the records requests made by news organizations and others.  ::snipping2::

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/os-trayvon-martin-public-recorsd-suit-20120530-5,0,6738508.story


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 31, 2012, 10:34:56 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/31/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html
Zimmerman defense, prosecution unite to oppose public release of info
June 1, 2012

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120420085456-zimmerman-bond-hearing-chains-t1-story-top.jpg)
George Zimmerman's statements to police are among documents attorneys argue should be kept from the public

CNN) -- George Zimmerman's defense team and prosecutors trying to convict him of murder in Trayvon Martin's death will be on the same side in court Friday, fighting against media companies' request to release more information in the hot-button case.

Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. will preside over the hearing, which is set to begin at 1:30 p.m., during which prosecution and defense lawyers will argue that a host of material should remain sealed. Scott Ponce of the Miami-based law firm Holland & Knight will argue for more disclosure on behalf of various newspapers, TV stations and their parent companies.

The opposing arguments were laid out in motions filed in advance of Friday's hearing.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on May 31, 2012, 10:37:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oqLOeuBwJOI
7-11 surveillance video shows Trayvon Martin
Published on May 17, 2012 by CNN

7-11 surveillance video shows Trayvon Martin before his altercation with George Zimmerman.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on May 31, 2012, 10:44:17 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-31/news/os-george-zimmerman-new-lawyer-west-20120531_1_federal-public-defender-defense-lawyer-legal-team

George Zimmerman's legal team adds murder specialist Don West

George Zimmerman, the defendant in one of the most-watched murder cases in the country, on Thursday added a new lawyer to his defense team: veteran Orlando attorney Donald R. West, who specializes in murders.

Attorney Mark O'Mara, lead defense counsel in the case, plans to make a formal announcement today.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 31, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
Wal-Mart withdraws from conservative group

NEW YORK — Wal-Mart Stores Inc. has withdrawn its membership in a conservative political group that has come under fire as part of the Trayvon Martin case, saying it has strayed from its core mission to advance free-market principles.
 
The group, the American Legislative Exchange Council, or ALEC, is made up of a group of lawmakers and private sector officials and has become a lightning rod for political debate in recent months. Wal-Mart has been a member since 1993.
 
Liberal activists complain that ALEC, which has been around for nearly 40 years, improperly influences legislation around the country by allowing corporate leaders to develop model legislation alongside state lawmakers. They also point to some of the laws that ALEC has helped spread around the country, such as ID rules for voters and the so-called "Stand Your Ground" self-defense law that’s at the center of the Florida case in which teenager Martin was killed.

For its part, ALEC has said that it is being unfairly targeted as part of a broader campaign against its conservative agenda. It also says efforts to tie it into the Martin case are unfair. In April it said it would it was eliminating its public safety task force that had dealt with the "Stand Your Ground" law and said it was refocusing those resources on economic matters  ::snipping2:: 

http://bostonherald.com/business/general/view/20120531wal-mart_withdraws_from_conservative_group/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 31, 2012, 11:07:56 PM
I'm Just A Rapper
Destructive Ignorance in St. Louis and South Florida and the Unfulfilled Potential of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman

Editor: Tef Poe is an artist from St. Louis City. Through powerful imagery and complicated honesty, he has earned a reputation as one of the best rappers telling the story of St. Louis, which is about much more than one place. Poe has been featured in music publications such as XXL and Urb Magazine. His next project War Machine 2 is slated to be released June 5th and followed up by a full-length with DJ Burn One entitled Cheer For The Villain. Follow him on twitter @tefpoe

I'm Just A Rapper, Tef discusses modern life, hip-hop, and the deep connection between them.

My relationship with music has made me a bit more sensitive than I would prefer to be. Our favorite songs somehow signify the signs of the times and the momentum of our society. I think about the Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman case on the regular. I've pondered if I should musically address this incident through song. I sat in my living room watching the Zimmerman bond hearing a few weeks ago on CNN and I can't help but think about the wasted potential affiliated with this case. I look at George Zimmerman and I feel sorry and ashamed for him. The Martin family lost a beloved son to this tragedy.

Now the Zimmermans will possibly lose their son to the judicial system. Racism is an unforgiving beast and ignorance surely adds fire to the flame which keeps it alive. There is no clear winner in this scenario -- everyone will lose. This story is a complete waste of human potential for both parties.

Growing up in St. Louis, I was faced with many decisions. The pressures of a young man growing up in impoverished neighborhoods can be intense. Should I join a gang for protection and do I smoke marijuana to fit in with my peers? The wrong decisions could open the door to death or prison. My story could have easily gone differently than it has, and my true potential would have never flourished. Trayvon didn't wake up the morning of his death with the intent to die. I personally don't believe Zimmerman was living life set upon becoming a murderer. In the blink of an eye everything can change for a person. We hope that most change is positive, but in the heat of the moment tragedy can happen.

This isn't a Zimmer pity party this is a discussion about wasted potential. As a musician I am constantly living life in fear of wasting time and living my life with a uncertain purpose. People such as Trayvon Martin die in the name of motivating us to never take a single day for granted. Some of us are guilty of living life blindly without a plan for tomorrow. We live to fulfill the dreams of other people. Day in and day out we faithfully go to work for another person's aspirations. The sum of our lives has been reduced to a very robotic form of existence. We live to work, eat, sleep -- freedom of thought is often something we take for granted. We do not cherish nor respect the power of our own potential. Imagine if you were robbed of the chance to dream about your future. For me, such a thought is frightening and unbearable. But this is indeed the reality most of us live in whether we know it or not. So here we are, struggling to climb out the abyss of self-doubt and social insecurity.

 You are different than me so I will vilify you to protect myself. I could careless about your mother, your father and your children. I will allow myself to bow down to ignorance. I will not think about tomorrow and I do not care about your future. I am human but I do not feel as if all humans are members of the human family.

 These are the seeds of homophobia, racism, sexism and anything else that is evil.

Trayvon never got to attend his first rap concert as an adult. He didn't get to enjoy the Arizona Tea that he purchased prior to his death. Unfortunately, this story is not unique to so many black males in Trayvons position. Young men living in a world that doesn't completely embrace them for who they are. When this is your position in the world you quickly learn to adapt or get devoured by the perceptions of others. We live in a generation of people who are seeking to maximize our potential even though many of us currently have no clue how to do so. We argue over ridiculous things like same-sex marriage as if any of us actually give a damn about marriage to begin with. We are overly consumed by worrying about the wrong things at all times. We are judgmental and often heartless about the plight and struggle of those that are different from us. We run from responsibility, point the finger at others and seldom seem to look in the mirror at ourselves. We do not connect with anything that isn't buried in ignorance and lack of education. We have taught ourselves to disregard facts and create theories based upon Facebook blurbs.

Zimmerman followed Trayvon and approached him. He says his actions were self-defense but I don't agree. I'm going to select a random teenage male in the Loop follow him with a gun and see what happens. He'll probably get a little scared and run or turn around and fight me. I'm going to pull out the gun and blow his young brains out, smoke a cigarette, wait for the cops to come, and tell them it was self defense.  ::snipping2:: 

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/rftmusic/2012/05/trayvon_martin_george_zimmerman_ignorance_trial.php

Two more pages...



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on May 31, 2012, 11:13:59 PM
Here y'go, Island...

Interesting Development – Trayvon

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/26/interesting-development-trayvon-martin-quid-pro-quo-at-the-7-11/
Interesting Development – Trayvon Martin Quid Pro Quo at the 7-11? Update – Confirmed
Posted on May 26, 2012 by sundancecracker
UPDATE:  CONFIRMED !

Edit to fix link.  MB


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Puzzler on June 01, 2012, 03:04:07 AM
Here y'go, Island...

Interesting Development – Trayvon

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/26/interesting-development-trayvon-martin-quid-pro-quo-at-the-7-11/
Interesting Development – Trayvon Martin Quid Pro Quo at the 7-11? Update – Confirmed
Posted on May 26, 2012 by sundancecracker
UPDATE:  CONFIRMED !

Edit to fix link.  MB


Tolyer - TY

Interesting.




Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Puzzler on June 01, 2012, 04:07:09 AM
Here y'go, Island...

Interesting Development – Trayvon

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/26/interesting-development-trayvon-martin-quid-pro-quo-at-the-7-11/
Interesting Development – Trayvon Martin Quid Pro Quo at the 7-11? Update – Confirmed
Posted on May 26, 2012 by sundancecracker
UPDATE:  CONFIRMED !

Edit to fix link.  MB


Tolyer - TY

Interesting.





The "comments" are interesting, too.




Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Puzzler on June 01, 2012, 04:07:45 AM
Muffy - TY for fixing my link.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Puzzler on June 01, 2012, 04:08:55 AM
Here y'go, Island...

Interesting Development – Trayvon

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/26/interesting-development-trayvon-martin-quid-pro-quo-at-the-7-11/
Interesting Development – Trayvon Martin Quid Pro Quo at the 7-11? Update – Confirmed
Posted on May 26, 2012 by sundancecracker
UPDATE:  CONFIRMED !

Edit to fix link.  MB


Tolyer - TY

Interesting.





The "comments" are interesting, too.




ha ha...wait...that wasn't "my link"....guess I'm used to mine being wrong...


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on June 01, 2012, 09:18:27 AM
Interesting...how did Trayvon hook up with these guys when apparently he was not familiar or from around the area?
Personally, I feel that hoodies should not be pulled over heads, faces when in any store etc...what is the point of it except to cause speculation of what you are up to! Banks do not allow them...before long, convince stores will follow IMO..
If I was the clerk working in that store and these 3 came in like that, I would be nervous...they probably are perfectly innocent but why portray themselves to be questionable? Jmo...


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 01, 2012, 09:36:34 AM
Here y'go, Island...

Interesting Development – Trayvon

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/26/interesting-development-trayvon-martin-quid-pro-quo-at-the-7-11/
Interesting Development – Trayvon Martin Quid Pro Quo at the 7-11? Update – Confirmed
Posted on May 26, 2012 by sundancecracker
UPDATE:  CONFIRMED !

Edit to fix link.  MB

Interesting, thanks for posting that and I am totally curious how he hooked up with them but it did appear he left the 7-11, and came back....also scared to death about the homemade recipes for drugs I read about....never even heard of lean but it apparantlys a well known fact among rappers and those that follow that type of thing. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 01, 2012, 02:07:13 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/vinniepolitan (https://twitter.com/#!/vinniepolitan)

52m Vinnie Politan Vinnie Politan ‏@VinniePolitan
State wants George Zimmerman's bond revoked!

12:07 PM - 1 Jun 12 via Twitter for BlackBerry® · Details


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 01, 2012, 02:10:36 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/01/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html
Prosecutors: Revoke Zimmerman's bond
June 1, 2012

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120420085456-zimmerman-bond-hearing-chains-t1-story-top.jpg)
George Zimmerman appears at his bond hearing in April in Sanford, Florida. He is free on bail in the death of Trayvon Martin.

CNN) -- Prosecutors in Florida asked a judge Friday to revoke bond for George Zimmerman, who is charged with second-degree murder in the death of Trayvon Martin.

Prosecutors argued that Zimmerman "misrepresented, misled and deceived the court" during an April bond hearing about whether he had a U.S. passport and about his family's financial circumstances.

Meanwhile, Zimmerman's defense team and prosecutors will be on the same side in court Friday afternoon fighting media companies' request to release more information in the case.

Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. will preside over the hearing. Prosecution and defense lawyers will argue that a host of material should remain sealed. Scott Ponce of the Miami-based law firm Holland & Knight will argue for more disclosure on behalf of various newspapers, TV stations and their parent companies.

The opposing arguments were laid out in motions filed in advance of Friday's hearing.
 ::snipping2::

(Interesting comments)


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on June 01, 2012, 03:05:30 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/01/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html
Prosecutors: Revoke Zimmerman's bond
June 1, 2012

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120420085456-zimmerman-bond-hearing-chains-t1-story-top.jpg)
George Zimmerman appears at his bond hearing in April in Sanford, Florida. He is free on bail in the death of Trayvon Martin.

CNN) -- Prosecutors in Florida asked a judge Friday to revoke bond for George Zimmerman, who is charged with second-degree murder in the death of Trayvon Martin.

Prosecutors argued that Zimmerman "misrepresented, misled and deceived the court" during an April bond hearing about whether he had a U.S. passport and about his family's financial circumstances.

Meanwhile, Zimmerman's defense team and prosecutors will be on the same side in court Friday afternoon fighting media companies' request to release more information in the case.

Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. will preside over the hearing. Prosecution and defense lawyers will argue that a host of material should remain sealed. Scott Ponce of the Miami-based law firm Holland & Knight will argue for more disclosure on behalf of various newspapers, TV stations and their parent companies.

The opposing arguments were laid out in motions filed in advance of Friday's hearing.
 ::snipping2::

(Interesting comments)

Definitely not a smart move on the side of the defense.  Those that are wanting to hang him are looking for anything and everything to turn potential jurors against him.  He shouldn't have lied.  Why on earth would he do that in the middle of this circus?  He knows that they are going to dig and dig hard. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: sharon on June 01, 2012, 03:11:16 PM
Just heard on the news that bond was revoked  ::MonkeyEek::

I will go find a link (unless someone beats me to it)


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: sharon on June 01, 2012, 03:12:57 PM
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/01/12010484-judge-revokes-bail-for-george-zimmerman-in-trayvon-martin-case?lite

Judge revokes bail for George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin case
By NBC's Jamie Novogrod
Edit to add article date.  MB  June 1, 2012

A Florida judge on Friday revoked the bail for George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin case, saying he had misled the court about his finances, and ordered him to present himself to the court within 48 hours.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 01, 2012, 03:33:24 PM
TOLER-

Did you see those videos from the 7-11 of what they call Larry, Moe and Curly? I couldn't believe that one kid (or I assume it was a kid) in the hoodie literally drawn up so tight you couldnt see anything but maybe a nose...if I had been the one behind the counter I would have called 911 just out of fear, all 3 looked sketchy. But, I also noticed Trayvon came back and had read and heard he didn't go straight home according to the time stamp on the recording and all that, but that video was extremely interesting and I wonder how many more are out there from the 7-11, how many outside cameras caught anything in the shopping strip where the 7-11 was ::MonkeyCool::

The store clerk didn't seem worried or afraid in any way.  It was raining that night.  Would make sense to have your hoodie up. 



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 01, 2012, 03:36:05 PM
TOLER-

Did you see those videos from the 7-11 of what they call Larry, Moe and Curly? I couldn't believe that one kid (or I assume it was a kid) in the hoodie literally drawn up so tight you couldnt see anything but maybe a nose...if I had been the one behind the counter I would have called 911 just out of fear, all 3 looked sketchy. But, I also noticed Trayvon came back and had read and heard he didn't go straight home according to the time stamp on the recording and all that, but that video was extremely interesting and I wonder how many more are out there from the 7-11, how many outside cameras caught anything in the shopping strip where the 7-11 was ::MonkeyCool::

The store clerk didn't seem worried or afraid in any way.  It was raining that night.  Would make sense to have your hoodie up. 



I am not talking about the hoodie being up, he had it pulled so that only his nose was visible...have you seen the video?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: seahorse on June 01, 2012, 03:47:28 PM
George Zimmerman's bond revoked by judge, 48 hours to surrender in Trayvon Martin killing
By Barry Leibowitz
Edit to add article address.  MB  June 1, 2012

 ::snipping2::
CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - A judge Friday revoked bond for George Zimmerman, and gave the neighborhood watch volunteer who killed Florida teen Trayvon Martin 48 hours to surrender.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57445656-504083/george-zimmermans-bond-revoked-by-judge-48-hours-to-surrender-in-trayvon-martin-killing/



 ::MonkeyHaHa::  48 Hours to surrender.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 01, 2012, 04:08:39 PM
TOLER-

Did you see those videos from the 7-11 of what they call Larry, Moe and Curly? I couldn't believe that one kid (or I assume it was a kid) in the hoodie literally drawn up so tight you couldnt see anything but maybe a nose...if I had been the one behind the counter I would have called 911 just out of fear, all 3 looked sketchy. But, I also noticed Trayvon came back and had read and heard he didn't go straight home according to the time stamp on the recording and all that, but that video was extremely interesting and I wonder how many more are out there from the 7-11, how many outside cameras caught anything in the shopping strip where the 7-11 was ::MonkeyCool::

The store clerk didn't seem worried or afraid in any way.  It was raining that night.  Would make sense to have your hoodie up. 



I am not talking about the hoodie being up, he had it pulled so that only his nose was visible...have you seen the video?

I just saw the video.  The same person with the tightly drawn hoodie eventually took his hoodie off in the video.  It looks to me like his jacket is very wet so maybe it was raining really hard?  When I go for a jog and it's raining I draw my hoodie super tight. 



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 01, 2012, 04:20:39 PM
I'm Just A Rapper
Destructive Ignorance in St. Louis and South Florida and the Unfulfilled Potential of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman

Editor: Tef Poe is an artist from St. Louis City. Through powerful imagery and complicated honesty, he has earned a reputation as one of the best rappers telling the story of St. Louis, which is about much more than one place. Poe has been featured in music publications such as XXL and Urb Magazine. His next project War Machine 2 is slated to be released June 5th and followed up by a full-length with DJ Burn One entitled Cheer For The Villain. Follow him on twitter @tefpoe

I'm Just A Rapper, Tef discusses modern life, hip-hop, and the deep connection between them.

My relationship with music has made me a bit more sensitive than I would prefer to be. Our favorite songs somehow signify the signs of the times and the momentum of our society. I think about the Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman case on the regular. I've pondered if I should musically address this incident through song. I sat in my living room watching the Zimmerman bond hearing a few weeks ago on CNN and I can't help but think about the wasted potential affiliated with this case. I look at George Zimmerman and I feel sorry and ashamed for him. The Martin family lost a beloved son to this tragedy.

Now the Zimmermans will possibly lose their son to the judicial system. Racism is an unforgiving beast and ignorance surely adds fire to the flame which keeps it alive. There is no clear winner in this scenario -- everyone will lose. This story is a complete waste of human potential for both parties.

Growing up in St. Louis, I was faced with many decisions. The pressures of a young man growing up in impoverished neighborhoods can be intense. Should I join a gang for protection and do I smoke marijuana to fit in with my peers? The wrong decisions could open the door to death or prison. My story could have easily gone differently than it has, and my true potential would have never flourished. Trayvon didn't wake up the morning of his death with the intent to die. I personally don't believe Zimmerman was living life set upon becoming a murderer. In the blink of an eye everything can change for a person. We hope that most change is positive, but in the heat of the moment tragedy can happen.

This isn't a Zimmer pity party this is a discussion about wasted potential. As a musician I am constantly living life in fear of wasting time and living my life with a uncertain purpose. People such as Trayvon Martin die in the name of motivating us to never take a single day for granted. Some of us are guilty of living life blindly without a plan for tomorrow. We live to fulfill the dreams of other people. Day in and day out we faithfully go to work for another person's aspirations. The sum of our lives has been reduced to a very robotic form of existence. We live to work, eat, sleep -- freedom of thought is often something we take for granted. We do not cherish nor respect the power of our own potential. Imagine if you were robbed of the chance to dream about your future. For me, such a thought is frightening and unbearable. But this is indeed the reality most of us live in whether we know it or not. So here we are, struggling to climb out the abyss of self-doubt and social insecurity.

 You are different than me so I will vilify you to protect myself. I could careless about your mother, your father and your children. I will allow myself to bow down to ignorance. I will not think about tomorrow and I do not care about your future. I am human but I do not feel as if all humans are members of the human family.

These are the seeds of homophobia, racism, sexism and anything else that is evil.

Trayvon never got to attend his first rap concert as an adult. He didn't get to enjoy the Arizona Tea that he purchased prior to his death. Unfortunately, this story is not unique to so many black males in Trayvons position. Young men living in a world that doesn't completely embrace them for who they are. When this is your position in the world you quickly learn to adapt or get devoured by the perceptions of others. We live in a generation of people who are seeking to maximize our potential even though many of us currently have no clue how to do so. We argue over ridiculous things like same-sex marriage as if any of us actually give a damn about marriage to begin with. We are overly consumed by worrying about the wrong things at all times. We are judgmental and often heartless about the plight and struggle of those that are different from us. We run from responsibility, point the finger at others and seldom seem to look in the mirror at ourselves. We do not connect with anything that isn't buried in ignorance and lack of education. We have taught ourselves to disregard facts and create theories based upon Facebook blurbs.

Zimmerman followed Trayvon and approached him. He says his actions were self-defense but I don't agree. I'm going to select a random teenage male in the Loop follow him with a gun and see what happens. He'll probably get a little scared and run or turn around and fight me. I'm going to pull out the gun and blow his young brains out, smoke a cigarette, wait for the cops to come, and tell them it was self defense.   ::snipping2:: 

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/rftmusic/2012/05/trayvon_martin_george_zimmerman_ignorance_trial.php

Two more pages...



A readers comment from the above link:

"I've been making the point all along that I sincerely hope that Trayvon Martin threw the first punch. And I tell people why. Look at it from Trayvon's point of view, which, thanks to the fact that he was on a hands-free phone at the time, we know:

Trayvon Martin was a teenaged boy ...

Who had been followed for a block and a half by a middle aged man in a van ...

And then stalked for another black and a half through an alley by that same man, in the rain ...

And when the middle aged man caught up with him and Trayvon asked him who he was and why he was following him, he refused to say.

What in the HELL do people THINK that Trayvon thought he was dealing with? I don't think George Zimmerman was right to assume that some random teenaged kid he'd never seen before was a burglar, but for crying out loud, we raise all of our kids to think that a strange adult in a van who stalks you for blocks is a pedophile kidnapper. I sincerely do expect that Trayvon roughed him up bad, because as far as Trayvon Martin knew, he was fighting for his life; as far as he knew, if he lost this fight, nobody would ever see him again but his abductor.

George Zimmerman had no business stalking that kid, and even less business putting a gun in his waistband before doing so. But all the way up to the last second, this whole tragedy could probably have been avoided if, when Martin asked him who he was and why he was following him, he had said "Neighborhood Watch"."


Obviously George wasn't driving a van but I do believe this commenter has outlined exactly how Trayvon and Zimmerman's encounter went down.

I took to liberty of bolding some highlights I thought were relevant in the above article also, Toler.  I appreciate your links in that they look at every angle of this tragedy.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on June 01, 2012, 04:44:10 PM
I'm Just A Rapper
Destructive Ignorance in St. Louis and South Florida and the Unfulfilled Potential of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman

Editor: Tef Poe is an artist from St. Louis City. Through powerful imagery and complicated honesty, he has earned a reputation as one of the best rappers telling the story of St. Louis, which is about much more than one place. Poe has been featured in music publications such as XXL and Urb Magazine. His next project War Machine 2 is slated to be released June 5th and followed up by a full-length with DJ Burn One entitled Cheer For The Villain. Follow him on twitter @tefpoe

I'm Just A Rapper, Tef discusses modern life, hip-hop, and the deep connection between them.

My relationship with music has made me a bit more sensitive than I would prefer to be. Our favorite songs somehow signify the signs of the times and the momentum of our society. I think about the Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman case on the regular. I've pondered if I should musically address this incident through song. I sat in my living room watching the Zimmerman bond hearing a few weeks ago on CNN and I can't help but think about the wasted potential affiliated with this case. I look at George Zimmerman and I feel sorry and ashamed for him. The Martin family lost a beloved son to this tragedy.

Now the Zimmermans will possibly lose their son to the judicial system. Racism is an unforgiving beast and ignorance surely adds fire to the flame which keeps it alive. There is no clear winner in this scenario -- everyone will lose. This story is a complete waste of human potential for both parties.

Growing up in St. Louis, I was faced with many decisions. The pressures of a young man growing up in impoverished neighborhoods can be intense. Should I join a gang for protection and do I smoke marijuana to fit in with my peers? The wrong decisions could open the door to death or prison. My story could have easily gone differently than it has, and my true potential would have never flourished. Trayvon didn't wake up the morning of his death with the intent to die. I personally don't believe Zimmerman was living life set upon becoming a murderer. In the blink of an eye everything can change for a person. We hope that most change is positive, but in the heat of the moment tragedy can happen.

This isn't a Zimmer pity party this is a discussion about wasted potential. As a musician I am constantly living life in fear of wasting time and living my life with a uncertain purpose. People such as Trayvon Martin die in the name of motivating us to never take a single day for granted. Some of us are guilty of living life blindly without a plan for tomorrow. We live to fulfill the dreams of other people. Day in and day out we faithfully go to work for another person's aspirations. The sum of our lives has been reduced to a very robotic form of existence. We live to work, eat, sleep -- freedom of thought is often something we take for granted. We do not cherish nor respect the power of our own potential. Imagine if you were robbed of the chance to dream about your future. For me, such a thought is frightening and unbearable. But this is indeed the reality most of us live in whether we know it or not. So here we are, struggling to climb out the abyss of self-doubt and social insecurity.

 You are different than me so I will vilify you to protect myself. I could careless about your mother, your father and your children. I will allow myself to bow down to ignorance. I will not think about tomorrow and I do not care about your future. I am human but I do not feel as if all humans are members of the human family.

These are the seeds of homophobia, racism, sexism and anything else that is evil.

Trayvon never got to attend his first rap concert as an adult. He didn't get to enjoy the Arizona Tea that he purchased prior to his death. Unfortunately, this story is not unique to so many black males in Trayvons position. Young men living in a world that doesn't completely embrace them for who they are. When this is your position in the world you quickly learn to adapt or get devoured by the perceptions of others. We live in a generation of people who are seeking to maximize our potential even though many of us currently have no clue how to do so. We argue over ridiculous things like same-sex marriage as if any of us actually give a damn about marriage to begin with. We are overly consumed by worrying about the wrong things at all times. We are judgmental and often heartless about the plight and struggle of those that are different from us. We run from responsibility, point the finger at others and seldom seem to look in the mirror at ourselves. We do not connect with anything that isn't buried in ignorance and lack of education. We have taught ourselves to disregard facts and create theories based upon Facebook blurbs.

Zimmerman followed Trayvon and approached him. He says his actions were self-defense but I don't agree. I'm going to select a random teenage male in the Loop follow him with a gun and see what happens. He'll probably get a little scared and run or turn around and fight me. I'm going to pull out the gun and blow his young brains out, smoke a cigarette, wait for the cops to come, and tell them it was self defense.   ::snipping2:: 

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/rftmusic/2012/05/trayvon_martin_george_zimmerman_ignorance_trial.php

Two more pages...



A readers comment from the above link:

"I've been making the point all along that I sincerely hope that Trayvon Martin threw the first punch. And I tell people why. Look at it from Trayvon's point of view, which, thanks to the fact that he was on a hands-free phone at the time, we know:

Trayvon Martin was a teenaged boy ...

Who had been followed for a block and a half by a middle aged man in a van ...

And then stalked for another black and a half through an alley by that same man, in the rain ...

And when the middle aged man caught up with him and Trayvon asked him who he was and why he was following him, he refused to say.

What in the HELL do people THINK that Trayvon thought he was dealing with? I don't think George Zimmerman was right to assume that some random teenaged kid he'd never seen before was a burglar, but for crying out loud, we raise all of our kids to think that a strange adult in a van who stalks you for blocks is a pedophile kidnapper. I sincerely do expect that Trayvon roughed him up bad, because as far as Trayvon Martin knew, he was fighting for his life; as far as he knew, if he lost this fight, nobody would ever see him again but his abductor.

George Zimmerman had no business stalking that kid, and even less business putting a gun in his waistband before doing so. But all the way up to the last second, this whole tragedy could probably have been avoided if, when Martin asked him who he was and why he was following him, he had said "Neighborhood Watch"."


Obviously George wasn't driving a van but I do believe this commenter has outlined exactly how Trayvon and Zimmerman's encounter went down.

I took to liberty of bolding some highlights I thought were relevant in the above article also, Toler.  I appreciate your links in that they look at every angle of this tragedy.



It's so interesting how we see this case so differently...I guess it's all about perspective (ha...I just learned about this in school last week :)) Since we don't have all of the facts...neither side.  I have seen what are said to be facts...spun for both sides.  I enjoy reading both sides though...I feel like a pendulum as I watch both sides. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 05:08:58 PM
Judge revokes bail for George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin case


court revokes Zimmerman's bond.

By NBC's Jamie Novogrod
Edit to add article date.  MB  June 1, 2012
A Florida judge on Friday revoked the bail for George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin case, saying he had misled the court about his finances, and ordered him to present himself to the court within 48 hours.
 Prosecutors alleged that Zimmerman, 28, hid from the court the fact that he had raised $135,000 on a website he set up before he was granted $150,000 bail on April 20. Zimmerman is facing second-degree murder charges in the shooting death of Martin, 17, in February.

In a hearing in Sanford, Fla., that Zimmerman did not attend, Judge Kenneth Lester said Zimmerman engaged in a "material falsehood" about his finances.

Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda  said Zimmerman's wife, Shellie, led the court to believe they were penniless, which he called a “blatant lie."
 
De la Rionda said the Zimmermans spoke in "code" about moving finances around during telephone calls while George Zimmerman was in custody.

The state also alleged Zimmerman held a second passport after surrendering one to the court when bail was granted. In revoking bail, Lester said he was not swayed by arguments about the second passport, often routinely obtained by people   ::snipping2::  

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/01/12010484-judge-revokes-bail-for-george-zimmerman-in-trayvon-martin-case?lite


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 01, 2012, 05:19:38 PM
Please remember to add the date when posting articles.   ::piggy::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 01, 2012, 05:30:19 PM
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2116289,00.html
Zimmerman Must Surrender; Bond Revoked
By AP/Kyle Hightower
June 1, 2012

(SANFORD, Fla.) — A judge has revoked the bond of the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin and ordered him returned to jail within 48 hours.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said Friday that George Zimmerman misled the court about how much money he had available when his bond was set for $150,000 in April. Prosecutors claim Zimmerman had $135,000 available that had been raised by a website he set up.

Prosecutors also say he failed to surrender a second passport.

The defense says the finances are an innocent misunderstanding.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 05:32:14 PM
Sorry Muffy, I goofed with two posts!! Got new glasses yesterday and thinkin' am not too pleased with the lenses....that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!!!
Thanks for correcting. xx


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 01, 2012, 05:33:35 PM
Sorry Muffy, I goofed with two posts!! Got new glasses yesterday and thinkin' am not too pleased with the lenses....that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!!!
Thanks for correcting. xx

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 05:34:13 PM
That's a bit of a shocker...Zimmerman back to jail!! Wonder if there'll be another bond hearing or if he'll be stuck there til the trial???


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 05:42:36 PM
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/47650410/#47650410

Zimmerman Attorney Hopes Bond Revocation Temporary

Video at link


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 01, 2012, 05:51:16 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-radio-program-trayvon-martin-20120601,0,5410567.story
Southern Baptist host loses radio show for Trayvon Martin remarks
June 1, 2012

HOUSTON -- Richard Land, a prominent Southern Baptist leader, saw his weekly radio show canceled Friday after he used it to criticize President Obama and black pastors' response to the Trayvon Martin shooting.

The Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Committee also issued Land two reprimands -- for the "racially charged" comments and for using material from the Washington Times without properly crediting the newspaper. Land had served as president of the ethics committee since 1988.

The move comes as the convention, which split from northern Baptists in 1845 in defense of slavery, prepares to elect a black preacher from New Orleans as its president. The Rev. Fred Luter Jr. will become the first African American to head the convention, the nation's largest Protestant denomination.

Many Baptists view Luter's election as a sign that the church is moving beyond its racially tinged past. To some Baptists, this made Land's comments all the more unfortunate.

During a March 31 broadcast of "Richard Land Live!" Land had accused Obama, the Rev. Jesse Jackson and the Rev. Al Sharpton of attempting to capitalize on the fatal shooting of the Florida teenager. He also appeared to justify racial profiling.

Members of the committee called the comments "hurtful, irresponsible" and "insensitive."

Land initially defended his remarks, then backpedaled, meeting with a group of African American pastors May 2, and issuing written apologies a week later to the convention president, Luter and the public.

But Baptist officials who investigated the incident said that was not enough.
 ::snipping2::
Officials said the show "will end as soon as possible within the bounds of our contracts with the Salem Radio Network."

Land appeared to accept officials’ decision Friday.

"I have said on numerous occasions that I believe in trustee oversight and governance. I am under the authority of the trustees elected by the Southern Baptist Convention. This whole process was conducted in a Christian manner by Christian gentlemen,” he said in a statement.

African American Southern Baptist leaders applauded the decision, and said they were willing to forgive Land.

"We accept his apology and covenant not only to hold him accountable in the future but to work arm-in-arm in the cause of racial healing," said the Rev James Dixon Jr., president of the convention's National African American Fellowship in a statement.

Dixon, pastor of El-Bethel Baptist Church in Fort Washington, Md., added, "Racial reconciliation is not a political issue for us. It is a gospel issue."
 ::snipping2::
The Rev. Dwight McKissic, an African American pastor of Cornerstone Baptist Church in Arlington, Texas, was among those initially outraged by Land’s comments. McKissic attended the May 9 meeting with Land, and was prepared to forgive him, but was pleased the convention took the added step of issuing what he called a “serious reprimand.”
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 01, 2012, 05:53:59 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/southern-baptists-richard-land-loses-show-keeps-job/2012/06/01/gJQARgQf7U_story.html
Southern Baptists’ Richard Land loses show, keeps job
June 1, 2012

A top Southern Baptist official who was accused of plagiarism in a radio segment that claimed civil rights leaders and President Obama used the Trayvon Martin case to stir racial tensions will lose his weekly call-in program but can keep his main job, a church panel announced Friday (June 1).

Richard Land, the influential head of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission and the denomination’s top policy spokesman, was rebuked for racial insensitivity and for not attributing the source of his radio commentaries after a review by ERLC trustees.The controversy over Land’s explosive remarks in a March 31 radio program was especially awkward as Southern Baptists are expected to elect an African-American pastor, the Rev. Fred Luter, as the denomination’s first black president later this month.

The investigators chided Land for “his hurtful, irresponsible, insensitive, and racially charged words” in a broadcast of the “Richard Land Live!” show in which Land accused Obama and black civil rights activists of using the Trayvon Martin shooting to foment racial strife and boost the president’s re-election chances.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 06:15:58 PM
"The investigators chided Land for “his hurtful, irresponsible, insensitive, and racially charged words” in a broadcast of the “Richard Land Live!” show in which Land accused Obama and black civil rights activists of using the Trayvon Martin shooting to foment racial strife and boost the president’s re-election chances." QUOTE

Thinking he has many folk agreeing with him. Seems we've reached the point where honest opinion is no longer allowed to be voiced. Sad day in America.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 01, 2012, 06:37:12 PM
"The investigators chided Land for “his hurtful, irresponsible, insensitive, and racially charged words” in a broadcast of the “Richard Land Live!” show in which Land accused Obama and black civil rights activists of using the Trayvon Martin shooting to foment racial strife and boost the president’s re-election chances." QUOTE

Thinking he has many folk agreeing with him. Seems we've reached the point where honest opinion is no longer allowed to be voiced. Sad day in America.


I would think it depends on the Pastor's choice of words and the spirit behind them. 

Obama is half black.  I'm no fan of his but I don't think he tried to use Trayvon's case as a tool toward re-election... I think he really felt an injustice had been done and answered honestly when a reporter asked him about it.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/barack-obama-comments-on-trayvon-martin-case-if-i-had-a-son-hed-look-like-trayvon/



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 01, 2012, 06:39:08 PM
"The investigators chided Land for “his hurtful, irresponsible, insensitive, and racially charged words” in a broadcast of the “Richard Land Live!” show in which Land accused Obama and black civil rights activists of using the Trayvon Martin shooting to foment racial strife and boost the president’s re-election chances." QUOTE

Thinking he has many folk agreeing with him. Seems we've reached the point where honest opinion is no longer allowed to be voiced. Sad day in America.


ITA with this and agree with this portion....I had never heard him but this IMO is spot on "accused Obama and black civil rights activists of using the Trayvon Martin shooting to foment racial strife and boost the president’s re-election chances."

Hello what have the racial agitators been doing? Trying to heal tensions and come together? I think NOT! Even Eric Holder makes everything racial in a time when our POTUS and Atty General of the US are both African American, this has gone on way too long and it's time to stop the foolishness and quit stirring racial tensions.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 01, 2012, 06:39:41 PM
Also, he plagiarized the material and used it as his own during radio commentary.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 06:40:50 PM
Praise God! Trayvon's Mom Reacts To Zimmerman Bond Revoked (DETAILS)
Edit to add date article was published.  MB  June 1, 2012

Trayvon Martinfamily attorney Benjamin Crump spoke on the recent news of George Zimmerman’s bond being revoked earlier today by Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester.
 
STORY: Bond Revoked! George Zimmerman Has 48 Hours to Turn Himself In!
 
Judge Lester ruled that Zimmerman has at least 48 hours to turn himself into police after it was revealed that Zimmerman’s wife misled the court about the funds he was receiving through PayPal donations.
 
Upon hearing that Zimmerman’s bond had been revoked, Crump said:
 

"This is such an important ruling today because once again George Zimmerman's credibility is the issue… he should remain in custody until there is a trial....Judge Lester’s ruling in this matter is so important because it causes everyone to focus on Zimmermant’s credibility.
 
This is crucial when it is only Zimmerman’s testimony that Trayvon attacked him and all the objective evidence says he perused, confronted, and shot Trayvon."
 
Trayvon's courageous family spoke out on the matter as well. In a simple tweet, Trayvon’s mom wrote “Praise God,” while his brother Jahvaris Martin tweeted:
 

“Zimmerman has been locked back up. I hope he stays in jail. Children will be much safer.”
 
Prosecutors contest that Zimmerman told his wife, Shelley Zimmerman, about PayPal donations he was receiving while in jail and that she lied in the bond hearing about being aware of these funds.


Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/trayvon-martin-family-responds-george-zimmermans-bond-revoked-details#ixzz1waFoekKm


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 01, 2012, 06:40:53 PM
After all this time, media is still using the  image of TM that is years old, yet puts a current one of GZ.  I find that very misleading.  JMHO 

(http://kdfw.images.worldnow.com/images/1645428_G.jpg)

George Zimmerman ordered back to jail after judge revokes bond
June 1, 2012


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on June 01, 2012, 06:45:57 PM
"The investigators chided Land for “his hurtful, irresponsible, insensitive, and racially charged words” in a broadcast of the “Richard Land Live!” show in which Land accused Obama and black civil rights activists of using the Trayvon Martin shooting to foment racial strife and boost the president’s re-election chances." QUOTE

Thinking he has many folk agreeing with him. Seems we've reached the point where honest opinion is no longer allowed to be voiced. Sad day in America.


ITA with this and agree with this portion....I had never heard him but this IMO is spot on "accused Obama and black civil rights activists of using the Trayvon Martin shooting to foment racial strife and boost the president’s re-election chances."

Hello what have the racial agitators been doing? Trying to heal tensions and come together? I think NOT! Even Eric Holder makes everything racial in a time when our POTUS and Atty General of the US are both African American, this has gone on way too long and it's time to stop the foolishness and quit stirring racial tensions.

well said.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 01, 2012, 06:53:52 PM
TOLER-

Did you see those videos from the 7-11 of what they call Larry, Moe and Curly? I couldn't believe that one kid (or I assume it was a kid) in the hoodie literally drawn up so tight you couldnt see anything but maybe a nose...if I had been the one behind the counter I would have called 911 just out of fear, all 3 looked sketchy. But, I also noticed Trayvon came back and had read and heard he didn't go straight home according to the time stamp on the recording and all that, but that video was extremely interesting and I wonder how many more are out there from the 7-11, how many outside cameras caught anything in the shopping strip where the 7-11 was ::MonkeyCool::

The store clerk didn't seem worried or afraid in any way.  It was raining that night.  Would make sense to have your hoodie up. 



I am not talking about the hoodie being up, he had it pulled so that only his nose was visible...have you seen the video?

I just saw the video.  The same person with the tightly drawn hoodie eventually took his hoodie off in the video.  It looks to me like his jacket is very wet so maybe it was raining really hard?  When I go for a jog and it's raining I draw my hoodie super tight. 



I just can't see any reason to go into any store unless you are planning to rob it dressed this way....I couldn't tell if this was a teen or grown man, heck it could have been a woman from what we could see.....but that is just me and I promise you if I saw anyone dressed that way walking around the neighborhood I would follow them until LE arrived, but that would take all of 3 minutes since our LE are bored to tears.

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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 01, 2012, 06:54:28 PM
"The investigators chided Land for “his hurtful, irresponsible, insensitive, and racially charged words” in a broadcast of the “Richard Land Live!” show in which Land accused Obama and black civil rights activists of using the Trayvon Martin shooting to foment racial strife and boost the president’s re-election chances." QUOTE

Thinking he has many folk agreeing with him. Seems we've reached the point where honest opinion is no longer allowed to be voiced. Sad day in America.


ITA with this and agree with this portion....I had never heard him but this IMO is spot on "accused Obama and black civil rights activists of using the Trayvon Martin shooting to foment racial strife and boost the president’s re-election chances."

Hello what have the racial agitators been doing? Trying to heal tensions and come together? I think NOT! Even Eric Holder makes everything racial in a time when our POTUS and Atty General of the US are both African American, this has gone on way too long and it's time to stop the foolishness and quit stirring racial tensions.

well said.

Thank you, it may not be popular but it is what it is and enough is enough!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 01, 2012, 06:59:51 PM
After all this time, media is still using the  image of TM that is years old, yet puts a current one of GZ.  I find that very misleading.  JMHO 

(http://kdfw.images.worldnow.com/images/1645428_G.jpg)

George Zimmerman ordered back to jail after judge revokes bond
June 1, 2012

Totally agree Muffy, it's a sad day when the media dictates the narrative

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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 01, 2012, 07:01:43 PM
TOLER-

Did you see those videos from the 7-11 of what they call Larry, Moe and Curly? I couldn't believe that one kid (or I assume it was a kid) in the hoodie literally drawn up so tight you couldnt see anything but maybe a nose...if I had been the one behind the counter I would have called 911 just out of fear, all 3 looked sketchy. But, I also noticed Trayvon came back and had read and heard he didn't go straight home according to the time stamp on the recording and all that, but that video was extremely interesting and I wonder how many more are out there from the 7-11, how many outside cameras caught anything in the shopping strip where the 7-11 was ::MonkeyCool::

The store clerk didn't seem worried or afraid in any way.  It was raining that night.  Would make sense to have your hoodie up. 



I am not talking about the hoodie being up, he had it pulled so that only his nose was visible...have you seen the video?

I just saw the video.  The same person with the tightly drawn hoodie eventually took his hoodie off in the video.  It looks to me like his jacket is very wet so maybe it was raining really hard?  When I go for a jog and it's raining I draw my hoodie super tight. 



I just can't see any reason to go into any store unless you are planning to rob it dressed this way....I couldn't tell if this was a teen or grown man, heck it could have been a woman from what we could see.....but that is just me and I promise you if I saw anyone dressed that way walking around the neighborhood I would follow them until LE arrived, but that would take all of 3 minutes since our LE are bored to tears.

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I guess we're different then.  If I was suspicious I'd ask the kid what's up with his hoodie all tied up like that, or if it was pouring down rain I would assume he was trying to stay dry.  I wouldn't call the cops because some kid has his hoodie tied tight (unless there were other obvious indicators something was off).  Just me, though.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 07:04:58 PM
In March, Land spoke of African-American activists and the Rev. Al Sharpton as “racial ambulance chasers” in the Martin case, in which the 17-year-old was shot to death in Florida by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman.
 
“When there is violence it’s going to be Jesse Jackson’s fault,” Land said on his show, according to the Religion News Service. “It’s going to be Al Sharpton’s fault. It’s going to be Louis Farrakhan’s fault, and to a certain degree it’s going to be President Obama’s fault.”

Sorry, don't have a link.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 01, 2012, 07:09:49 PM
TOLER-

Did you see those videos from the 7-11 of what they call Larry, Moe and Curly? I couldn't believe that one kid (or I assume it was a kid) in the hoodie literally drawn up so tight you couldnt see anything but maybe a nose...if I had been the one behind the counter I would have called 911 just out of fear, all 3 looked sketchy. But, I also noticed Trayvon came back and had read and heard he didn't go straight home according to the time stamp on the recording and all that, but that video was extremely interesting and I wonder how many more are out there from the 7-11, how many outside cameras caught anything in the shopping strip where the 7-11 was ::MonkeyCool::

The store clerk didn't seem worried or afraid in any way.  It was raining that night.  Would make sense to have your hoodie up. 



I am not talking about the hoodie being up, he had it pulled so that only his nose was visible...have you seen the video?

I just saw the video.  The same person with the tightly drawn hoodie eventually took his hoodie off in the video.  It looks to me like his jacket is very wet so maybe it was raining really hard?  When I go for a jog and it's raining I draw my hoodie super tight. 



I just can't see any reason to go into any store unless you are planning to rob it dressed this way....I couldn't tell if this was a teen or grown man, heck it could have been a woman from what we could see.....but that is just me and I promise you if I saw anyone dressed that way walking around the neighborhood I would follow them until LE arrived, but that would take all of 3 minutes since our LE are bored to tears.

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I guess we're different then.  If I was suspicious I'd ask the kid what's up with his hoodie all tied up like that, or if it was pouring down rain I would assume he was trying to stay dry.  I wouldn't call the cops because some kid has his hoodie tied tight (unless there were other obvious indicators something was off).  Just me, though.

I wouldn't confront him personally, I am 5'4 and pushing 100 lbs but we have a population of about 2000 total and we watch out for suspicious behavoir, just like I followed or really kept an eye on the drunk girl teetering down the street that one night at 2 am , I wasn't worried she wasn going to do anything except maybe pass out in the street or the Gulf since she was staring in that direction and sure enough that is where I found her, but thankfully so did her parents. I didn't want her to pass out drunk and drown when the tide came in...with regards to the hoodie and the fact it literally covered his entire face, well yes I do find that suspicuous IIRC it wasn't pouring rain, even if it was inside a store it is dry. All 3 looked suspicious to me .....


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 01, 2012, 07:11:08 PM
In March, Land spoke of African-American activists and the Rev. Al Sharpton as “racial ambulance chasers” in the Martin case, in which the 17-year-old was shot to death in Florida by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman.
 
“When there is violence it’s going to be Jesse Jackson’s fault,” Land said on his show, according to the Religion News Service. “It’s going to be Al Sharpton’s fault. It’s going to be Louis Farrakhan’s fault, and to a certain degree it’s going to be President Obama’s fault.”

Sorry, don't have a link.

Again, ITA and Sharpton already has the blood of 8 dead on his hands from his racial chit stirring BS that never has the DOJ asking questions but it should.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 07:11:57 PM
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2886950/posts
(Edited to add link provided by Toler.  MB)

New Black Panther Field Marshal: Whites ‘Should be Thankful We’re Not Hanging Crackers By Nooses…Yet

Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:12:05 AM by Perseverando

According to National Field Marshal for the New Black Panthers King Samir Shabazz:

“I love white-on white-crime, because that is the best crime.” “I hate the g*ddamn white man, woman, and child, grandma, aunt, uncle, Pappa Billy Bob, and whoever else.” “You should be thankful we’re not running around here hanging crackers by nooses and all that kind of stuff — yet, yet, yet” He has a “wet dream about killing the g*ddamn cracker.” “We don’t allow faggots and lesbians” in the New Black Panther Army Envisions a world where every black person is “ready to bang on this cracker” Wants to take over neighborhoods “block by block” so “crackers…or even the developer” would be scared to come into them “We’re taught to send this cracker to the cemetery… so kiss ‘em goodbye”


(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...

These people, Al Sharpton etc do not speak for all black people yet they seem to be the only voices we hear!
The New Black Panthers are cuckoo, yet they are allowed to get away with a bounty on Zimmerman, nary a word from our Justice Dept. That's the sort of thing many of us are fed up with.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on June 01, 2012, 07:12:15 PM
TOLER-

Did you see those videos from the 7-11 of what they call Larry, Moe and Curly? I couldn't believe that one kid (or I assume it was a kid) in the hoodie literally drawn up so tight you couldnt see anything but maybe a nose...if I had been the one behind the counter I would have called 911 just out of fear, all 3 looked sketchy. But, I also noticed Trayvon came back and had read and heard he didn't go straight home according to the time stamp on the recording and all that, but that video was extremely interesting and I wonder how many more are out there from the 7-11, how many outside cameras caught anything in the shopping strip where the 7-11 was ::MonkeyCool::

The store clerk didn't seem worried or afraid in any way.  It was raining that night.  Would make sense to have your hoodie up. 



I am not talking about the hoodie being up, he had it pulled so that only his nose was visible...have you seen the video?

I just saw the video.  The same person with the tightly drawn hoodie eventually took his hoodie off in the video.  It looks to me like his jacket is very wet so maybe it was raining really hard?  When I go for a jog and it's raining I draw my hoodie super tight. 



I just can't see any reason to go into any store unless you are planning to rob it dressed this way....I couldn't tell if this was a teen or grown man, heck it could have been a woman from what we could see.....but that is just me and I promise you if I saw anyone dressed that way walking around the neighborhood I would follow them until LE arrived, but that would take all of 3 minutes since our LE are bored to tears.

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I guess we're different then.  If I was suspicious I'd ask the kid what's up with his hoodie all tied up like that, or if it was pouring down rain I would assume he was trying to stay dry.  I wouldn't call the cops because some kid has his hoodie tied tight (unless there were other obvious indicators something was off).  Just me, though.

With the excessive amount of break ins...I would have been suspicious.  I would have called LE...Especially, if I hadn't seen the guy in the area before...the hoodie alone wouldn't do it alone either (which I don't think the hoodie did it for GZ either...but that is my opinion since we don't know) I would have stopped following him though (not sure if GZ did, or not).  My heart drops every time that I go into a store or bank and see something like what I saw on the 7-11 video.  The guy seems like he knew them or at least had seen them around...so he didn't seem worried...and it appears that they were innocent of any wrong doing...but, everyone is aware of robbery and what many people wear in the robberies...hiding face and so on...so, with that said...I'm sure they understand why people would think that way...that is of course, unless they want to use that for their own agenda...I may be biased too because I don't wear a hoodie to protect myself from rain...IMO...it makes things worse when it gets wet.  Well, if I am not making sense it is because the kiddos are begging for my attention.  Gotta go. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 07:13:21 PM
Ooops forgot the link, Muffy. So sorry.. ::MonkeyKiss::

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2886950/posts
Thank you, I'ved added it to your post.  MB ::bee::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 01, 2012, 07:20:58 PM
New Black Panther Field Marshal: Whites ‘Should be Thankful We’re Not Hanging Crackers By Nooses…Yet

Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:12:05 AM by Perseverando

According to National Field Marshal for the New Black Panthers King Samir Shabazz:

“I love white-on white-crime, because that is the best crime.” “I hate the g*ddamn white man, woman, and child, grandma, aunt, uncle, Pappa Billy Bob, and whoever else.” “You should be thankful we’re not running around here hanging crackers by nooses and all that kind of stuff — yet, yet, yet” He has a “wet dream about killing the g*ddamn cracker.” “We don’t allow faggots and lesbians” in the New Black Panther Army Envisions a world where every black person is “ready to bang on this cracker” Wants to take over neighborhoods “block by block” so “crackers…or even the developer” would be scared to come into them “We’re taught to send this cracker to the cemetery… so kiss ‘em goodbye”


(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...

These people, Al Sharpton etc do not speak for all black people yet they seem to be the only voices we hear!
The New Black Panthers are cuckoo, yet they are allowed to get away with a bounty on Zimmerman, nary a word from our Justice Dept. That's the sort of thing many of us are fed up with.
AMEN~ We are fed up and I would hate to be on that jury and have my name out there since knowing what we know now, I couldn't convict but you know there would be death threats and riots if he isn't convicted.

Insanity reigns......still waiting on Eric Holder to take action <crickets>.....not holding my breath, and what about this case? It too was a self defense claim of an unarmed victim shot :

http://www.chicagonewsreport.com/2012/04/daniel-adkins-killer-claims-self.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 01, 2012, 07:23:50 PM
In March, Land spoke of African-American activists and the Rev. Al Sharpton as “racial ambulance chasers” in the Martin case, in which the 17-year-old was shot to death in Florida by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman.
 
“When there is violence it’s going to be Jesse Jackson’s fault,” Land said on his show, according to the Religion News Service. “It’s going to be Al Sharpton’s fault. It’s going to be Louis Farrakhan’s fault, and to a certain degree it’s going to be President Obama’s fault.”

Sorry, don't have a link.

Thanks Muffy. ?  Are you referring to a post I made, or to Toler's post, which you've quoted?  I think you've got the wrong poster  Muffy ::bee::

I understand why those feelings exist, but to add Obama's name just shows this pastor is also stirring the racist pot.  Anyone could see from Obaman's full statement that he has no hidden agenda.  He just feels Trayvon was cheated out of a full investigation and he has concerns about the Stand Your Ground law and how it was applied in this case.  

Also, the fact that only three names keep coming up (Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakan) makes me wonder if that whole thing is not being blown way out of proportion in an effort to villify others who have legitimate concerns?

Racial tension clearly exists on both sides.    

I was working in downtown Seattle during the Rodney King riots.  All of downtown Seattle closed down early that weekday afternoon because there was going to be a march through the city and a lot of folks were scared of more rioting.  I had to stay due to some work related issues and by choice because I just wasn't overly worried about it.  So, I'm leaving the office and down the middle of the street come the marchers, white, black, asian, tall, short, boy, girl, old and young, marching for peace and marching for justice.  One hood-looking black girl raised a sign she was carrying with Rodney's face on it, then she raised her arm high and flashed me the peace sign.  Our eyes met and here I was, a young white woman, looking at this gold toothed black girl, and we were just people, fearless and human, wanting nothing more than peace.  She had a really beautiful smile, gold teeth and all.

Hatred is just so damn ugly.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 01, 2012, 07:30:37 PM
TOLER-

Did you see those videos from the 7-11 of what they call Larry, Moe and Curly? I couldn't believe that one kid (or I assume it was a kid) in the hoodie literally drawn up so tight you couldnt see anything but maybe a nose...if I had been the one behind the counter I would have called 911 just out of fear, all 3 looked sketchy. But, I also noticed Trayvon came back and had read and heard he didn't go straight home according to the time stamp on the recording and all that, but that video was extremely interesting and I wonder how many more are out there from the 7-11, how many outside cameras caught anything in the shopping strip where the 7-11 was ::MonkeyCool::

The store clerk didn't seem worried or afraid in any way.  It was raining that night.  Would make sense to have your hoodie up. 



I am not talking about the hoodie being up, he had it pulled so that only his nose was visible...have you seen the video?

I just saw the video.  The same person with the tightly drawn hoodie eventually took his hoodie off in the video.  It looks to me like his jacket is very wet so maybe it was raining really hard?  When I go for a jog and it's raining I draw my hoodie super tight. 



I just can't see any reason to go into any store unless you are planning to rob it dressed this way....I couldn't tell if this was a teen or grown man, heck it could have been a woman from what we could see.....but that is just me and I promise you if I saw anyone dressed that way walking around the neighborhood I would follow them until LE arrived, but that would take all of 3 minutes since our LE are bored to tears.

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I guess we're different then.  If I was suspicious I'd ask the kid what's up with his hoodie all tied up like that, or if it was pouring down rain I would assume he was trying to stay dry.  I wouldn't call the cops because some kid has his hoodie tied tight (unless there were other obvious indicators something was off).  Just me, though.

I wouldn't confront him personally, I am 5'4 and pushing 100 lbs but we have a population of about 2000 total and we watch out for suspicious behavoir, just like I followed or really kept an eye on the drunk girl teetering down the street that one night at 2 am , I wasn't worried she wasn going to do anything except maybe pass out in the street or the Gulf since she was staring in that direction and sure enough that is where I found her, but thankfully so did her parents. I didn't want her to pass out drunk and drown when the tide came in...with regards to the hoodie and the fact it literally covered his entire face, well yes I do find that suspicuous IIRC it wasn't pouring rain, even if it was inside a store it is dry. All 3 looked suspicious to me .....

That's cool.  I understand.  I live in a small town now, too, but I grew up in a really rough neighborhood in Maryland so I know good kids can look scary to some people when really they're just dressing to fit in or be goofy.   


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 01, 2012, 07:32:58 PM
New Black Panther Field Marshal: Whites ‘Should be Thankful We’re Not Hanging Crackers By Nooses…Yet
Edit to add link provided by Toler.  MB 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2886950/posts
Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:12:05 AM by Perseverando

According to National Field Marshal for the New Black Panthers King Samir Shabazz:

“I love white-on white-crime, because that is the best crime.” “I hate the g*ddamn white man, woman, and child, grandma, aunt, uncle, Pappa Billy Bob, and whoever else.” “You should be thankful we’re not running around here hanging crackers by nooses and all that kind of stuff — yet, yet, yet” He has a “wet dream about killing the g*ddamn cracker.” “We don’t allow faggots and lesbians” in the New Black Panther Army Envisions a world where every black person is “ready to bang on this cracker” Wants to take over neighborhoods “block by block” so “crackers…or even the developer” would be scared to come into them “We’re taught to send this cracker to the cemetery… so kiss ‘em goodbye”


(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...

These people, Al Sharpton etc do not speak for all black people yet they seem to be the only voices we hear!
The New Black Panthers are cuckoo, yet they are allowed to get away with a bounty on Zimmerman, nary a word from our Justice Dept. That's the sort of thing many of us are fed up with.

OMG, I could not agree more!  Why isn't the Justice Dpt doing something about it?  This whole Black Panthers thing is such BS!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 01, 2012, 07:40:08 PM
In March, Land spoke of African-American activists and the Rev. Al Sharpton as “racial ambulance chasers” in the Martin case, in which the 17-year-old was shot to death in Florida by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman.
 
“When there is violence it’s going to be Jesse Jackson’s fault,” Land said on his show, according to the Religion News Service. “It’s going to be Al Sharpton’s fault. It’s going to be Louis Farrakhan’s fault, and to a certain degree it’s going to be President Obama’s fault.”

Sorry, don't have a link.

Thanks Muffy.  I think you're replying to the wrong poster.  You've quoted Toler.  MB  ::bee::
.
I understand why those feelings exist, but to add Obama's name just shows this pastor is also stirring the racist pot.  Anyone could see from Obaman's full statement that he has no hidden agenda.  He just feels Trayvon was cheated out of a full investigation and he has concerns about the Stand Your Ground law and how it was applied in this case.  

Also, the fact that only three names keep coming up (Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakan) makes me wonder if that whole thing is not being blown way out of proportion in an effort to villify others who have legitimate concerns?

Racial tension clearly exists on both sides.    

I was working in downtown Seattle during the Rodney King riots.  All of downtown Seattle closed down early that weekday afternoon because there was going to be a march through the city and a lot of folks were scared of more rioting.  I had to stay due to some work related issues and by choice because I just wasn't overly worried about it.  So, I'm leaving the office and down the middle of the street come the marchers, white, black, asian, tall, short, boy, girl, old and young, marching for peace and marching for justice.  One hood-looking black girl raised a sign she was carrying with Rodney's face on it, then she raised her arm high and flashed me the peace sign.  Our eyes met and here I was, a young white woman, looking at this gold toothed black girl, and we were just people, fearless and human, wanting nothing more than peace.  She had a really beautiful smile, gold teeth and all.

Hatred is just so damn ugly.

I do agree the pastor was stirring the pot to a degree, but I agree with everything he stated and also about racial tensions still existing so why the need to make it worse? Why doesn't the DOJ step in and make a statement about the bounty on GZ's head? Hatred is ugly and so is the media manipulation and many in this admin who refuse to even acknowledge or prosecute certain cases. I am extremely uncomfortable with the witnesses hanging out with Crump to be honest....he was involved in the Pigford Farms scam which might have started out as a search for justice but certainly didn't end that way:

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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 01, 2012, 07:43:57 PM
New Black Panther Field Marshal: Whites ‘Should be Thankful We’re Not Hanging Crackers By Nooses…Yet
Edit to add link provided by Toler.  MB   http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2886950/posts
Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:12:05 AM by Perseverando

According to National Field Marshal for the New Black Panthers King Samir Shabazz:

“I love white-on white-crime, because that is the best crime.” “I hate the g*ddamn white man, woman, and child, grandma, aunt, uncle, Pappa Billy Bob, and whoever else.” “You should be thankful we’re not running around here hanging crackers by nooses and all that kind of stuff — yet, yet, yet” He has a “wet dream about killing the g*ddamn cracker.” “We don’t allow faggots and lesbians” in the New Black Panther Army Envisions a world where every black person is “ready to bang on this cracker” Wants to take over neighborhoods “block by block” so “crackers…or even the developer” would be scared to come into them “We’re taught to send this cracker to the cemetery… so kiss ‘em goodbye”


(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...

These people, Al Sharpton etc do not speak for all black people yet they seem to be the only voices we hear!
The New Black Panthers are cuckoo, yet they are allowed to get away with a bounty on Zimmerman, nary a word from our Justice Dept. That's the sort of thing many of us are fed up with.

OMG, I could not agree more!  Why isn't the Justice Dpt doing something about it?  This whole Black Panthers thing is such BS!

That is a great question many would love an answer to....wrt your other post I grew up everywhere and in tough areas and I understand what you are saying, but I am also very cautious and evil comes in all forms, a bank president that looks clean cut and is in church every time the door opens is a pedophile, but certain things set off my hinky meter and that hoodie drawn so tight would have been one, and again I have followed or watched numerous ppl - all were white by the way so it has nothing to do with color, it has to do with their behavoirs, loitering in an area where they don't live or dressed in a way that if they did commit a crime , nobody could identify them if they had to.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 01, 2012, 07:45:27 PM
In March, Land spoke of African-American activists and the Rev. Al Sharpton as “racial ambulance chasers” in the Martin case, in which the 17-year-old was shot to death in Florida by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman.
 
“When there is violence it’s going to be Jesse Jackson’s fault,” Land said on his show, according to the Religion News Service. “It’s going to be Al Sharpton’s fault. It’s going to be Louis Farrakhan’s fault, and to a certain degree it’s going to be President Obama’s fault.”

Sorry, don't have a link.

Thanks Muffy.  I think you are addressing the wrong monkey.  You've quoted Toler, and I believe it's their post.  MB  ::bee::

I understand why those feelings exist, but to add Obama's name just shows this pastor is also stirring the racist pot.  Anyone could see from Obaman's full statement that he has no hidden agenda.  He just feels Trayvon was cheated out of a full investigation and he has concerns about the Stand Your Ground law and how it was applied in this case.  

Also, the fact that only three names keep coming up (Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakan) makes me wonder if that whole thing is not being blown way out of proportion in an effort to villify others who have legitimate concerns?

Racial tension clearly exists on both sides.    

I was working in downtown Seattle during the Rodney King riots.  All of downtown Seattle closed down early that weekday afternoon because there was going to be a march through the city and a lot of folks were scared of more rioting.  I had to stay due to some work related issues and by choice because I just wasn't overly worried about it.  So, I'm leaving the office and down the middle of the street come the marchers, white, black, asian, tall, short, boy, girl, old and young, marching for peace and marching for justice.  One hood-looking black girl raised a sign she was carrying with Rodney's face on it, then she raised her arm high and flashed me the peace sign.  Our eyes met and here I was, a young white woman, looking at this gold toothed black girl, and we were just people, fearless and human, wanting nothing more than peace.  She had a really beautiful smile, gold teeth and all.

Hatred is just so damn ugly.

I do agree the pastor was stirring the pot to a degree, but I agree with everything he stated and also about racial tensions still existing so why the need to make it worse? Why doesn't the DOJ step in and make a statement about the bounty on GZ's head? Hatred is ugly and so is the media manipulation and many in this admin who refuse to even acknowledge or prosecute certain cases. I am extremely uncomfortable with the witnesses hanging out with Crump to be honest....he was involved in the Pigford Farms scam which might have started out as a search for justice but certainly didn't end that way:

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Sorry to edit my own post, but this is apparantly witness 5 and 16, that makes me feel VERY uncomfortable and I see $$$$$$$ from Crump. I pray I am wrong, but I find it very odd


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 01, 2012, 07:49:54 PM
Muffy, sorry!  I thought I saw your name for some reason. 



Island Monkey, I so agree with your last post.  Much respect.   ::HelloKitty::



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 01, 2012, 07:54:58 PM
Muffy, sorry!  I thought I saw your name for some reason. 



Island Monkey, I so agree with your last post.  Much respect.   ::HelloKitty::



And to you also, we should be able to talk about this like we do here at SM, with respect and trying to understand other's points of view.....but I will never understand the DOJ and their actions and lack of actions via cherry picking cases.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 07:58:46 PM
Hi, Amy's Sister. The problem I see with this situation is the hatred that IS fomented by The Jack$on, $harpton, Black Panther$ etc.

I, too, was in the midst of a 'sit in' way back early sixties in Mississippi. Not intentionally!! Sat a Woolworths counter, waited and waited...waited, began to wonder why everyone else but me was getting served. DUH, two counters and I had no idea, never heard of such a thing. A few months later husband, baby and I were driving in Trenton, New Jersey...with Mississippi plates on our car, a vehicle with 4 black guys drove us off the road...because of those plates. We had a couple more similar incidents. Thank goodness guns weren't as accessible back then. Times have changed, but unfortunately the voices of reason in the black community are, I believe, shut down by fear, intimidation and worse. Just look at what they're trying to do to Zimmerman with that bounty....and maybe the witnesses. 

My hope is that eventually some good will come from this tragedy, we should all be allowed to be heard...and listen to each other. And we should ALL be able to have faith in our Justice Dept. Oh, and it seems to me that anyone BUT conservatives can get away with saying any da*n thing...they're hardly ever accountable. [see Black Panthers.]


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 08:13:35 PM
Sorry to edit my own post, but this is apparantly witness 5 and 16, that makes me feel VERY uncomfortable and I see $$$$$$$ from Crump. I pray I am wrong, but I find it very odd. QUOTE

WTH...surely this can't be legal, if indeed those are witnesses???


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 01, 2012, 08:20:12 PM
Sorry to edit my own post, but this is apparantly witness 5 and 16, that makes me feel VERY uncomfortable and I see $$$$$$$ from Crump. I pray I am wrong, but I find it very odd. QUOTE

WTH...surely this can't be legal, if indeed those are witnesses???

I can't vet this personally since I just snagged that photo and it has their names with it so I can try but if indeed they are witnesses I am going to attempt to not be shocked but it will be hard.  WRT whether it's legal or not, I don't know ....


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 08:29:31 PM
June I 2112

Another Trayvon Martin Situation

By John Mercure CREATED 4:50 PM

Police say the above guy is at the center of a terrible story out of Milwaukee.  75 year old John Spooner has been charged with shooting and killing 13 year old Darius Simmons.
 
    Police say Simmons retrieved the garbage cart from the front of his house and was taking it to the back. As he did that Spooner approached him and said that he wanted his stuff back and accused Simmons of stealing some shotguns. Simmons apparently told Spooner he did not have his stuff. At that point Simmons' mom says she also told Spooner that Simmons did not have the 75 year olds stuff and she told Spooner to go back to his home. Witnesses say that Spooner then pulled out a handgun and shot Simmons in the chest from five feet away. Simmons died in the street.

http://www.620wtmj.com/blogs/johnmercure/156463335.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 01, 2012, 08:37:14 PM
Sorry to edit my own post, but this is apparantly witness 5 and 16, that makes me feel VERY uncomfortable and I see $$$$$$$ from Crump. I pray I am wrong, but I find it very odd. QUOTE

WTH...surely this can't be legal, if indeed those are witnesses???

Ok, that is Mary Cutcher......I found her FB page and her TV interviews wrt the case are all over it

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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 08:42:03 PM
If you bump into George Zimmerman, let him know...
By Steve Frank
Fri Jun 1, 2012 3:33 PM EDT


Former federal prosecutor Kendall Coffey explains why George Zimmerman must turn himself in within 48 hours.

If you happen to run into George Zimmerman this weekend (please, for your own safety, don't approach him wearing a hoodie), please let him know he's wanted back in jail.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester today revoked Zimmerman's bond, ordering the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin back to jail within 48 hours.

Lester said Zimmerman misled the court about how much money he had when his bond was set for $150,000 in April.

Prosecutors claim Zimmerman had $135,000 available that had been raised by a website he set up, and failed to surrender a second passport.
 
Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara says the finances are an innocent misunderstanding.
 ::snipping2:: 

http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/george-zimmerman

I don't recall specifically, but believe Zimmerman set up his original website a couple of days before he was jailed? Not sure that he would've had much in the account at all by the time of the bond hearing. Then...during the hearing his wife explained that a brother [or bro-in-law] was taking care of the site and that they hadn't spoken to him about it at that time, didn't know how much was in the account.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 01, 2012, 08:44:43 PM
If you bump into George Zimmerman, let him know...
By Steve Frank
Fri Jun 1, 2012 3:33 PM EDT


Former federal prosecutor Kendall Coffey explains why George Zimmerman must turn himself in within 48 hours.

If you happen to run into George Zimmerman this weekend (please, for your own safety, don't approach him wearing a hoodie), please let him know he's wanted back in jail.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester today revoked Zimmerman's bond, ordering the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin back to jail within 48 hours.

Lester said Zimmerman misled the court about how much money he had when his bond was set for $150,000 in April.

Prosecutors claim Zimmerman had $135,000 available that had been raised by a website he set up, and failed to surrender a second passport.
 
Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara says the finances are an innocent misunderstanding.
 ::snipping2:: 

http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/george-zimmerman

I don't recall specifically, but believe Zimmerman set up his original website a couple of days before he was jailed? Not sure that he would've had much in the account at all by the time of the bond hearing. Then...during the hearing his wife explained that a brother [or bro-in-law] was taking care of the site and that they hadn't spoken to him about it at that time, didn't know how much was in the account.


IIRC it was 3 days (but I have been swamped at work so I would need to look it up)...I also found Selma Mora Lamilla FB page and ditto, it is her in that pic and same thing....all TM, not as self promoting as MAry's (although that would indeed be hard from what I read)


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 08:47:41 PM
Sorry to edit my own post, but this is apparantly witness 5 and 16, that makes me feel VERY uncomfortable and I see $$$$$$$ from Crump. I pray I am wrong, but I find it very odd. QUOTE

WTH...surely this can't be legal, if indeed those are witnesses???

Ok, that is Mary Cutcher......I found her FB page and her TV interviews wrt the case are all over it

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Thinking this can only be good for the defense, the more they keep on yacking the more the defense will have to tie them in knots? Or maybe both prosecutor and defense have their sharpies out to cross them off the list?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 01, 2012, 08:49:50 PM
Sorry to edit my own post, but this is apparantly witness 5 and 16, that makes me feel VERY uncomfortable and I see $$$$$$$ from Crump. I pray I am wrong, but I find it very odd. QUOTE

WTH...surely this can't be legal, if indeed those are witnesses???

Ok, that is Mary Cutcher......I found her FB page and her TV interviews wrt the case are all over it

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Thinking this can only be good for the defense, the more they keep on yacking the more the defense will have to tie them in knots? Or maybe both prosecutor and defense have their sharpies out to cross them off the list?

I tend to agree big time.....when oh when will ppl learn to shut their mouth when they are witnesses, and really keep your FB private, although I am glad I was able to find both but stupid on her part.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on June 01, 2012, 09:01:42 PM
If you bump into George Zimmerman, let him know...
By Steve Frank
Fri Jun 1, 2012 3:33 PM EDT


Former federal prosecutor Kendall Coffey explains why George Zimmerman must turn himself in within 48 hours.

If you happen to run into George Zimmerman this weekend (please, for your own safety, don't approach him wearing a hoodie), please let him know he's wanted back in jail.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester today revoked Zimmerman's bond, ordering the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin back to jail within 48 hours.

Lester said Zimmerman misled the court about how much money he had when his bond was set for $150,000 in April.

Prosecutors claim Zimmerman had $135,000 available that had been raised by a website he set up, and failed to surrender a second passport.
 
Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara says the finances are an innocent misunderstanding.
 ::snipping2:: 

http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/george-zimmerman

I don't recall specifically, but believe Zimmerman set up his original website a couple of days before he was jailed? Not sure that he would've had much in the account at all by the time of the bond hearing. Then...during the hearing his wife explained that a brother [or bro-in-law] was taking care of the site and that they hadn't spoken to him about it at that time, didn't know how much was in the account.


Mr. Frank...I am sure he knows and I would feel comfortable approaching the man while wearing a hoodie.  Smart@@@


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 09:01:56 PM
Hate speech is, outside the law, any communication that vilifies a person or a group on the basis of race, color, ethnicity, gender, disability, sexual orientation, nationality, religion, or other characteristic.[1][2]
 
In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group. The law may identify a protected individual or a protected group by race, gender, ethnicity, disability[3], nationality, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity,[4] or other characteristic.[5] In some countries, a victim of hate speech may seek redress under civil law, criminal law, or both. A website that uses hate speech is called a hate site. Most of these sites contain Internet forums and news briefs that emphasize a particular viewpoint. There has been debate over how freedom of speech applies to the Internet.
 
Critics have argued that the term "hate speech" is a modern example of Newspeak, used to silence critics of social policies that have been poorly implemented in a rush to appear  politically correct.[6][7][8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on June 01, 2012, 09:02:26 PM
In March, Land spoke of African-American activists and the Rev. Al Sharpton as “racial ambulance chasers” in the Martin case, in which the 17-year-old was shot to death in Florida by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman.
 
“When there is violence it’s going to be Jesse Jackson’s fault,” Land said on his show, according to the Religion News Service. “It’s going to be Al Sharpton’s fault. It’s going to be Louis Farrakhan’s fault, and to a certain degree it’s going to be President Obama’s fault.”

Sorry, don't have a link.

Don't forget the Black Panthers, and MSM in laying blame for stirring it up!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on June 01, 2012, 09:16:31 PM
I have a horrible feeling that GZ isn't going to live to see his trial.  I hope the DOC can protect him.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 09:17:07 PM
 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/01/1096658/-Ole-Zimmy-in-trouble-for-lying

June 1

::snipping2::  Lester appeared angry that the court had not been told about the money. "Does your client get to sit there like a potted palm and let you lead me down the primrose path?" he asked Zimmerman's lawyer. "That's the issue."
 Something like that apparently. Some of us think George Zimmerman has been lying about the night that he shot Trayvon Martin.
 There is also some fishy smell to the story about George Zimmerman's passport as well. Near as I can tell the story goes something like this....
 
Back in 2004, George Zimmerman can't find his passport. So he reports it stolen, and gets another one. Sometime between now and then, he finds it, so he has two passports. One of the passports expires in May of this year, and the other expires in 2014.
 
At George Zimmerman's bond hearing, he is ordered to turn in his passport, so he gives the one that expires in May of this year.
 
Then while he is in jail, he is recorded over the phone with his wife talking about another passport:

Zimmerman spoke of the second passport while in the Seminole County Jail in a phone call to his wife that authorities recorded, Corey said. Court records provided a partial transcript:
 Zimmerman: "Do you know what? I think my passport is in that bag."
 
Shelly (sic) Zimmerman: "I have one for you in safety deposit box ..."
 
Zimmerman: "OK, you hold onto that."
 Hold on to it for what exactly?
Anyways, George Zimmerman's lawyer claims that he's had the second passport all along, "but simply forgot to hand it over to authorities until Friday."  ::snipping2:: 

Where/how are they getting some of this info???


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 09:17:43 PM
In March, Land spoke of African-American activists and the Rev. Al Sharpton as “racial ambulance chasers” in the Martin case, in which the 17-year-old was shot to death in Florida by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman.
 
“When there is violence it’s going to be Jesse Jackson’s fault,” Land said on his show, according to the Religion News Service. “It’s going to be Al Sharpton’s fault. It’s going to be Louis Farrakhan’s fault, and to a certain degree it’s going to be President Obama’s fault.”

Sorry, don't have a link.

Don't forget the Black Panthers, and MSM in laying blame for stirring it up!

 ::rhino::   ::rhino:: 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 10:13:24 PM
Zimmerman had more than $200,000 in a PayPal account
 As I recall, that account was set up just days before his release. PayPal usually takes several days to release funds, so he may in fact have not *really* had the actual money until after his release on bail.
 11 posted on Friday, June 01, 2012 1:53:29 PM by Cementjungle

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2890448/posts


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 10:29:56 PM

Judge: George Zimmerman Can Keep $200K
A Florida judge ruled the 28-year-old charged with second-degree murder can keep the funds raised in donations by his supporters.
 
Posted: 04/27/2012 12:59 PM EDT

A Florida judge ruled Friday that George Zimmerman, charged with second-degree murder in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, can keep the more than $200,000 in donations raised by his supporters.
 
According to defense attorney Mark O’Mara, Zimmerman collected the $204,000 in donations through his website, taken down earlier this week, but did not disclose the contributions during his bond hearing last week.
 
During the hearing, O’Mara argued Zimmerman had very little money and requested his client to be released from jail on a $150,000 bail. Zimmerman, 28, was released Monday on $150,000 bail, 10 percent of which his family had to put up to secure his release.
 On CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360 Thursday night, the lawyer revealed he recently learned about the donated money Wednesday and that his client’s bail may have been set higher if a judge had known about the money raised.
 
"He asked me what to do with his PayPal accounts, and I asked him what he was talking about," O'Mara told Cooper. "He said those were the accounts that had the money from the website he had. And there was about ... $204,000 that had come in to date."
 
Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda asked Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. Friday to increase Zimmerman's $150,000 bond. But the judge said he would delay ruling on the request because he is worried about revealing the names of the donors, and because he is not sure he has the authority to increase the bond.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.bet.com/news/national/2012/04/27/judge-george-zimmerman-can-keep-200k.html

Atricle dated 4/27/12


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: seemeatthebeach on June 01, 2012, 11:08:00 PM
If you bump into George Zimmerman, let him know...
By Steve Frank
Fri Jun 1, 2012 3:33 PM EDT


Former federal prosecutor Kendall Coffey explains why George Zimmerman must turn himself in within 48 hours.

If you happen to run into George Zimmerman this weekend (please, for your own safety, don't approach him wearing a hoodie), please let him know he's wanted back in jail.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester today revoked Zimmerman's bond, ordering the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin back to jail within 48 hours.

Lester said Zimmerman misled the court about how much money he had when his bond was set for $150,000 in April.

Prosecutors claim Zimmerman had $135,000 available that had been raised by a website he set up, and failed to surrender a second passport.
 
Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara says the finances are an innocent misunderstanding.
 ::snipping2:: 

http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/george-zimmerman

I don't recall specifically, but believe Zimmerman set up his original website a couple of days before he was jailed? Not sure that he would've had much in the account at all by the time of the bond hearing. Then...during the hearing his wife explained that a brother [or bro-in-law] was taking care of the site and that they hadn't spoken to him about it at that time, didn't know how much was in the account.


There was in excess of $150,000.00 in his paypal account from donations. Yes, George & his wife knew exactly how much (give or take a couple hundred dollars) was in his paypal account for 3-4 days before his bond hearing. But chose to lie under oath to the court he & Shellie (wifey) told the court they had NO money! He deserves to get booted back to the hoosegow! Maybe they have cells for married inmates, and he & Shellie can be bunk buddies! I have a feeling perjury charges will be coming Shellie's way in the near future!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on June 01, 2012, 11:26:02 PM
If you bump into George Zimmerman, let him know...
By Steve Frank
Fri Jun 1, 2012 3:33 PM EDT


Former federal prosecutor Kendall Coffey explains why George Zimmerman must turn himself in within 48 hours.

If you happen to run into George Zimmerman this weekend (please, for your own safety, don't approach him wearing a hoodie), please let him know he's wanted back in jail.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester today revoked Zimmerman's bond, ordering the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin back to jail within 48 hours.

Lester said Zimmerman misled the court about how much money he had when his bond was set for $150,000 in April.

Prosecutors claim Zimmerman had $135,000 available that had been raised by a website he set up, and failed to surrender a second passport.
 
Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara says the finances are an innocent misunderstanding.
 ::snipping2:: 

http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/george-zimmerman

I don't recall specifically, but believe Zimmerman set up his original website a couple of days before he was jailed? Not sure that he would've had much in the account at all by the time of the bond hearing. Then...during the hearing his wife explained that a brother [or bro-in-law] was taking care of the site and that they hadn't spoken to him about it at that time, didn't know how much was in the account.


There was in excess of $150,000.00 in his paypal account from donations. Yes, George & his wife knew exactly how much (give or take a couple hundred dollars) was in his paypal account for 3-4 days before his bond hearing. But chose to lie under oath to the court he & Shellie (wifey) told the court they had NO money! He deserves to get booted back to the hoosegow! Maybe they have cells for married inmates, and he & Shellie can be bunk buddies! I have a feeling perjury charges will be coming Shellie's way in the near future!

Yeah...although, I don't feel he is a murderer...I feel that he was aware of the amount that he had.  I read earlier that the two were talking in code over the phone.  Not good, Georgie you don't need to be doing stuff like this.  It's definitely not helping your case.  I also feel that those that are leaning on the side of the prosecution are going to have a hay day with this (this does not make him guilty of murder)...just sayin'


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 11:30:10 PM
If you bump into George Zimmerman, let him know...
By Steve Frank
Fri Jun 1, 2012 3:33 PM EDT


Former federal prosecutor Kendall Coffey explains why George Zimmerman must turn himself in within 48 hours.

If you happen to run into George Zimmerman this weekend (please, for your own safety, don't approach him wearing a hoodie), please let him know he's wanted back in jail.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester today revoked Zimmerman's bond, ordering the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin back to jail within 48 hours.

Lester said Zimmerman misled the court about how much money he had when his bond was set for $150,000 in April.

Prosecutors claim Zimmerman had $135,000 available that had been raised by a website he set up, and failed to surrender a second passport.
 
Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara says the finances are an innocent misunderstanding.
 ::snipping2:: 

http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/george-zimmerman

I don't recall specifically, but believe Zimmerman set up his original website a couple of days before he was jailed? Not sure that he would've had much in the account at all by the time of the bond hearing. Then...during the hearing his wife explained that a brother [or bro-in-law] was taking care of the site and that they hadn't spoken to him about it at that time, didn't know how much was in the account.


There was in excess of $150,000.00 in his paypal account from donations. Yes, George & his wife knew exactly how much (give or take a couple hundred dollars) was in his paypal account for 3-4 days before his bond hearing. But chose to lie under oath to the court he & Shellie (wifey) told the court they had NO money! He deserves to get booted back to the hoosegow! Maybe they have cells for married inmates, and he & Shellie can be bunk buddies! I have a feeling perjury charges will be coming Shellie's way in the near future!

Do you have a link for that info, please? I've looked around and can't find that information.
Thanks... ::HelloKitty:: 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 01, 2012, 11:49:41 PM
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/47650410/#47650410

Zimmerman Attorney Hopes Bond Revocation Temporary

Video at link

Zimmerman attorney responding to question I couldn't hear, paraphrase..." if you are refering to 10, 20 and 155 as code when talking about 80,000 dollars..."
They are ACCUSED of speaking in code....


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on June 01, 2012, 11:53:11 PM
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/47650410/#47650410

Zimmerman Attorney Hopes Bond Revocation Temporary

Video at link

Zimmerman attorney responding to question I couldn't hear, paraphrase..." if you are refering to 10, 20 and 155 as code when talking about 80,000 dollars..."
They are ACCUSED of speaking in code....

That's what is considered code...wow.  The prosecution is trying everything aren't they?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: KittyMom on June 02, 2012, 03:16:27 AM
Zimmerman doesn't have a chance at a fair trial, imo.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on June 02, 2012, 07:01:57 AM
As more is revealed, some things get murkier.

More observation, thoughts & questions:

Trayvon supposedly went to the 7-11 to get a snack for his younger brother.

How many 17 year olds would walk to the store in the dark & the rain to get a snack fr a sibling and not get something for their self?  At least a drink for the walk home?

If Trayvon had been sent to his Dad's for the duration of his suspension from school, but his dad also lived in Miami,how did he end up in Orlando for the preceding week?  Was Dad on vacation from work?

Was the younger brother not concerned when TM didn't bring back the snack?

When Dad got home from wherever he was that night, did he not check to see if his 17 yo son who was on a suspension from school was at home?

If those are witnesses with the family of TM and the lawyer, wouldn't a picture of them all together be evidence of potential witness tampering?


I feel so sad for both the Martins and the Zimmermans, but it seems something is definitely hinky or not forthright.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on June 02, 2012, 07:09:40 AM
As more is revealed, some things get murkier.

More observation, thoughts & questions:

Trayvon supposedly went to the 7-11 to get a snack for his younger brother.

How many 17 year olds would walk to the store in the dark & the rain to get a snack fr a sibling and not get something for their self?  At least a drink for the walk home?

If Trayvon had been sent to his Dad's for the duration of his suspension from school, but his dad also lived in Miami,how did he end up in Orlando for the preceding week?  Was Dad on vacation from work?

Was the younger brother not concerned when TM didn't bring back the snack?

When Dad got home from wherever he was that night, did he not check to see if his 17 yo son who was on a suspension from school was at home?

If those are witnesses with the family of TM and the lawyer, wouldn't a picture of them all together be evidence of potential witness tampering?


I feel so sad for both the Martins and the Zimmermans, but it seems something is definitely hinky or not forthright.

Great points.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on June 02, 2012, 07:11:23 AM
Zimmerman doesn't have a chance at a fair trial, imo.

Unfortunately, I agree completely.  It angers me.  I understand the family wanting an investigation, so they are getting it...why hasn't the outcry stopped then?  I am sick of racism. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 02, 2012, 01:21:00 PM
'Twitter lynch mob' calls for death after George Zimmerman's bond revoked
June 02 12

Shortly after George Zimmerman's bond was revoked by a Florida judge, the "Twitter lynch mob" came out in full force to wish death on the Hispanic neighborhood watch volunteer on trial for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, Twitchy reported Friday.
 
Some wanted Zimmerman to commit suicide, while others wanted to kill Zimmerman themselves.
 
"Watching the Zimmerman case. Hope they kill this b**ch," one person tweeted.
 
"George Zimmerman . . . Just Kill Yourself Already," another wrote.
 
"George Zimmerman should just kill himself. The prison population is filled with Blacks and Hispanics so yea, kill yourself," wrote "Poetic Death."

Stupid a*s George Zimmerman I want to kill him," opined "Niq Milli."
 
Using the name "That Guy LT," one person added: "#LetsGo‬ !!!! Kill the Heat !!!! and Zimmerman !!"
 
A search at Twitter for "kill Zimmerman" returns a number of messages, some using racist language, that express a desire to see Zimmerman dead.
 
Users of the social media site expressed similar wishes after Zimmerman posted bail in April.
 
"I think imma personally kill George Zimmerman ..anyone's welcome to join (:, (sp)," one person wrote.
 
Another wrote: "someone pass me a gun, imma go follow zimmerman, shoot and kill him and say #imstandingmyground (sp)."
 
"I would kill George Zimmerman," another tweet read.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.examiner.com/article/twitter-lynch-mob-calls-for-death-after-george-zimmerman-s-bond-revoked


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: sharon on June 02, 2012, 01:39:27 PM
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Zimmerman-credibility-may-be-issue-in-Martin-case-156708685.html

Zimmerman Credibility May be Issue in Martin Case
Zimmerman case hinges on whether the jury will believe his version of what happened the night of the shooting
Saturday, Jun 2, 2012  |  Updated 10:37 AM EDT


The credibility of Trayvon Martin's shooter could be an issue at trial after a judge said that George Zimmerman and his wife lied to the court about their finances to obtain a bond, legal experts say.

That's because the case hinges on jurors believing his account of what happened the night the 17-year-old was killed. Zimmerman wasn't charged in the case until more than a month after the shooting, saying he shot Martin in self-defense under Florida's so-called stand your ground law. Protests were held across the nation, and the case spurred debate about race. Martin was black; Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is from Peru.

The questioning of Zimmerman's truthfulness by the judge on Friday could undermine his credibility if it is brought up at trial. It also may complicate how his defense presents him as a witness, said Orlando-area attorney Randy McClean, who is a former prosecutor.

``The other key witness, unfortunately, is deceased,'' McClean said. ``Basically, Zimmerman is going to be asking the jury to believe his version of the facts. ... As the case stands now, his credibility is absolutely critical to the case.''

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on June 02, 2012, 03:06:20 PM
'Twitter lynch mob' calls for death after George Zimmerman's bond revoked
June 02 12

Shortly after George Zimmerman's bond was revoked by a Florida judge, the "Twitter lynch mob" came out in full force to wish death on the Hispanic neighborhood watch volunteer on trial for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, Twitchy reported Friday.
 
Some wanted Zimmerman to commit suicide, while others wanted to kill Zimmerman themselves.
 
"Watching the Zimmerman case. Hope they kill this b**ch," one person tweeted.
 
"George Zimmerman . . . Just Kill Yourself Already," another wrote.
 
"George Zimmerman should just kill himself. The prison population is filled with Blacks and Hispanics so yea, kill yourself," wrote "Poetic Death."

Stupid a*s George Zimmerman I want to kill him," opined "Niq Milli."
 
Using the name "That Guy LT," one person added: "#LetsGo‬ !!!! Kill the Heat !!!! and Zimmerman !!"
 
A search at Twitter for "kill Zimmerman" returns a number of messages, some using racist language, that express a desire to see Zimmerman dead.
 
Users of the social media site expressed similar wishes after Zimmerman posted bail in April.
 
"I think imma personally kill George Zimmerman ..anyone's welcome to join (:, (sp)," one person wrote.
 
Another wrote: "someone pass me a gun, imma go follow zimmerman, shoot and kill him and say #imstandingmyground (sp)."
 
"I would kill George Zimmerman," another tweet read.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.examiner.com/article/twitter-lynch-mob-calls-for-death-after-george-zimmerman-s-bond-revoked

I hope FL provides ample security for GZ.  This is scary!  Lots of hatred.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: klaasend on June 02, 2012, 04:32:53 PM
If you bump into George Zimmerman, let him know...
By Steve Frank
Fri Jun 1, 2012 3:33 PM EDT


Former federal prosecutor Kendall Coffey explains why George Zimmerman must turn himself in within 48 hours.

If you happen to run into George Zimmerman this weekend (please, for your own safety, don't approach him wearing a hoodie), please let him know he's wanted back in jail.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester today revoked Zimmerman's bond, ordering the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin back to jail within 48 hours.

Lester said Zimmerman misled the court about how much money he had when his bond was set for $150,000 in April.

Prosecutors claim Zimmerman had $135,000 available that had been raised by a website he set up, and failed to surrender a second passport.
 
Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara says the finances are an innocent misunderstanding.
 ::snipping2:: 

http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/george-zimmerman

I don't recall specifically, but believe Zimmerman set up his original website a couple of days before he was jailed? Not sure that he would've had much in the account at all by the time of the bond hearing. Then...during the hearing his wife explained that a brother [or bro-in-law] was taking care of the site and that they hadn't spoken to him about it at that time, didn't know how much was in the account.


There was in excess of $150,000.00 in his paypal account from donations. Yes, George & his wife knew exactly how much (give or take a couple hundred dollars) was in his paypal account for 3-4 days before his bond hearing. But chose to lie under oath to the court he & Shellie (wifey) told the court they had NO money! He deserves to get booted back to the hoosegow! Maybe they have cells for married inmates, and he & Shellie can be bunk buddies! I have a feeling perjury charges will be coming Shellie's way in the near future!

Do you have a link for that info, please? I've looked around and can't find that information.
Thanks... ::HelloKitty:: 

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/04/27/146946/george-zimmermans-donation-website.html (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/04/27/146946/george-zimmermans-donation-website.html)

George Zimmerman's donation website has raised $200,000, attorney says
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Diana Moskovitz | The Miami Herald

The defense lawyer for George Zimmerman said Thursday night that his client had received about $200,000 through donations to his website.

Zimmerman, a 28-year-old neighborhood watch volunteer in Sanford, near Orlando, fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin of Miami Gardens on Feb. 26, after confronting the teen, whom he believed to be suspicious. Trayvon was not armed.

Sanford police cited Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law in not initially charging Zimmerman with killing Trayvon. Angela Corey, a special prosecutor appointed by Gov. Rick Scott, earlier this month charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder.

Thursday night, Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara, told CNN’s Anderson Cooper that at first he had been told that Zimmerman had two accounts: one with $700, another with about $2,000.

But while trying to shut down all of Zimmerman’s Internet presence, his client asked him what to do with his PayPal accounts.

Days before Corey filed her charges, a website called TheRealGeorgeZimmerman.com sprang up. The website, since removed, said visitors could use a PayPal link to donate money to Zimmerman.

O’Mara told Cooper that the account contained $200,000 and $204,000.

Asked by Cooper whether a higher bond might have been set for Zimmerman if that amount had been known, O’Mara said “maybe.” He added that he would let the court know officially about the money.

But, O’Mara added, that he’s not sure that Zimmerman even realized the money was available to him. After Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bond at $150,000, it was Zimmerman’s family who cobbled together the money for his release.

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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 02, 2012, 07:17:51 PM
If you bump into George Zimmerman, let him know...
By Steve Frank
Fri Jun 1, 2012 3:33 PM EDT


Former federal prosecutor Kendall Coffey explains why George Zimmerman must turn himself in within 48 hours.

If you happen to run into George Zimmerman this weekend (please, for your own safety, don't approach him wearing a hoodie), please let him know he's wanted back in jail.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester today revoked Zimmerman's bond, ordering the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin back to jail within 48 hours.

Lester said Zimmerman misled the court about how much money he had when his bond was set for $150,000 in April.

Prosecutors claim Zimmerman had $135,000 available that had been raised by a website he set up, and failed to surrender a second passport.
 
Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara says the finances are an innocent misunderstanding.
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http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/george-zimmerman

I don't recall specifically, but believe Zimmerman set up his original website a couple of days before he was jailed? Not sure that he would've had much in the account at all by the time of the bond hearing. Then...during the hearing his wife explained that a brother [or bro-in-law] was taking care of the site and that they hadn't spoken to him about it at that time, didn't know how much was in the account.


There was in excess of $150,000.00 in his paypal account from donations. Yes, George & his wife knew exactly how much (give or take a couple hundred dollars) was in his paypal account for 3-4 days before his bond hearing. But chose to lie under oath to the court he & Shellie (wifey) told the court they had NO money! He deserves to get booted back to the hoosegow! Maybe they have cells for married inmates, and he & Shellie can be bunk buddies! I have a feeling perjury charges will be coming Shellie's way in the near future!

Do you have a link for that info, please? I've looked around and can't find that information.
Thanks... ::HelloKitty:: 

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/04/27/146946/george-zimmermans-donation-website.html (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/04/27/146946/george-zimmermans-donation-website.html)

George Zimmerman's donation website has raised $200,000, attorney says
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The defense lawyer for George Zimmerman said Thursday night that his client had received about $200,000 through donations to his website.

Zimmerman, a 28-year-old neighborhood watch volunteer in Sanford, near Orlando, fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin of Miami Gardens on Feb. 26, after confronting the teen, whom he believed to be suspicious. Trayvon was not armed.

Sanford police cited Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law in not initially charging Zimmerman with killing Trayvon. Angela Corey, a special prosecutor appointed by Gov. Rick Scott, earlier this month charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder.

Thursday night, Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara, told CNN’s Anderson Cooper that at first he had been told that Zimmerman had two accounts: one with $700, another with about $2,000.

But while trying to shut down all of Zimmerman’s Internet presence, his client asked him what to do with his PayPal accounts.

Days before Corey filed her charges, a website called TheRealGeorgeZimmerman.com sprang up. The website, since removed, said visitors could use a PayPal link to donate money to Zimmerman.

O’Mara told Cooper that the account contained $200,000 and $204,000.

Asked by Cooper whether a higher bond might have been set for Zimmerman if that amount had been known, O’Mara said “maybe.” He added that he would let the court know officially about the money.

But, O’Mara added, that he’s not sure that Zimmerman even realized the money was available to him. After Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bond at $150,000, it was Zimmerman’s family who cobbled together the money for his release.

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Thanks Klaas, I had seen that but looking for a response to...Quote:- "There was in excess of $150,000.00 in his paypal account from donations. Yes, George & his wife knew exactly how much (give or take a couple hundred dollars) was in his paypal account for 3-4 days before his bond hearing. But chose to lie under oath to the court he & Shellie (wifey) told the court they had NO money!" end quote

...that they knew of the amount days before the bond hearing.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 02, 2012, 08:43:46 PM
As more is revealed, some things get murkier.

More observation, thoughts & questions:

Trayvon supposedly went to the 7-11 to get a snack for his younger brother.

How many 17 year olds would walk to the store in the dark & the rain to get a snack fr a sibling and not get something for their self?  At least a drink for the walk home?

If Trayvon had been sent to his Dad's for the duration of his suspension from school, but his dad also lived in Miami,how did he end up in Orlando for the preceding week?  Was Dad on vacation from work?

Was the younger brother not concerned when TM didn't bring back the snack?

When Dad got home from wherever he was that night, did he not check to see if his 17 yo son who was on a suspension from school was at home?

If those are witnesses with the family of TM and the lawyer, wouldn't a picture of them all together be evidence of potential witness tampering?


I feel so sad for both the Martins and the Zimmermans, but it seems something is definitely hinky or not forthright.

Those are all great questions I wanted answers to, since he had been suspended 3 times from school IIRC - well, I would have kept a very short leash on him and I personally wouldn't have gone out - but I am weird that way, I would have wanted to keep an eye on him after the drug issues. After seeing his likes/followings or whatever they are called on YT really makes me wonder about the "lean" supposition, especially after reading his FB where he was asking someone if they had anyone who had a connection to liquid codeine....I also want to know what time he left 7-11 (the second time when he was outside after buying the Watermelon flavored fruit juice and skittles) and what time the first call came in.

One other issue, wasn't Chad Green home? How did he not know something was going on at the condo complex, and for that matter how did Tracy and Brandi not know.....maybe they din't get in until the wee hours, again I don't know but just curious how something like that would go unnoticed?

I read this account but haven't vetted this info so anyone who know the answer-I'd love to know:

The back entrance is real close, and if you lived in that part of the neighborhood it would be closer. The exit off I-4 is to the south, and it probably depend on traffic conditions which was the easier route.
 
The body left at 10:10, and the TV news shots made it look like not much was going on with clumps of police. If no patrol cars still had their flashers on, you might not be able to see them up Retreat View Circle. There would be 10 or so driveways with cars in them (since they are single-car garages), and if you had a remote to the garage you drive right in. Tracy and Brandy conveniently returned between 10:15 and 10:45.


link for above...it's in the comment section

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/26/interesting-development-trayvon-martin-quid-pro-quo-at-the-7-11/

Next my question is about Dee Dee, why not call someone, heck anyone after she heard the fight and was worried (according to her account) so much she tells him to run. I have seen her twitter account and she didn't seem one bit worried about ANYTHING. Why didn't she call Traymom or Traydad? Why wouldn't Tracy Martin let the LE have Trayvon's password, instead he wants to call his attorney? Aren't they searching for the truth ?

Now to Brandi via a Fox interview:

In the Fox News video Brandi says that it was a safe neighborhood, no crime that she knew of. The reporter asks her about the recently reported burglaries and she denies any burglaries happening. Yet I’m sure I saw them published in the Retreat newsletter in the discovery documents. Whole reason for the neighborhood watch from what I read.

Hmmm~ seems Crump got a hold of them really fast to help his media onslaught....

Crump then gets on every media outlet possible and states: Benjamin Crump, again referencing how he introduced DeeDee and what he said of her whereabouts on the days of Trayvon’s funeral. As previously outlined Trayvon’s viewing was the evening of Friday March 2nd with a memorial service and interment the following day Saturday March 3rd

Here are her Tweets listed here towards the bottom......I just find every aspect of this hinky including an arrest brought on due to team Sharpton/Crump/Holder and even Obama

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/04/21/update-10-part-2-the-trayvon-martin-shooting-deedee-reveals-the-false-truths/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on June 02, 2012, 09:22:23 PM
Ever since all the new evidence came out last week, there has been an onslaught of countering it with making GZ look less credible.

What about the witnesses who have changed their story?

What about Tracy Martin flip-flopping on the ID of the voice calling for help on the 911 calls?

What about the backpedaling of TM's mom in what she says to the media?

What about the credibility of TM's GF DeeDee?

What about the credibility of MSM in honest, unbiased reporting?  About NBC altering the 911 tape?  The editing of the 7-11 tape vs the raw footage?

Isn't the whole point of this to mete out justice based on the truth?

I agree with whoever posted that GZ will not receive a fair trial.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 02, 2012, 10:28:44 PM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1206/01/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
George Zimmerman Ordered Back to Jail
Aired June 1, 2012 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you from New York City.

Breaking news in the Trayvon Martin shooting case. Accused killer George Zimmerman ordered back to jail, the judge revoking his bond for lying to the court.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, breaking news in the George Zimmerman case. Trayvon Martin`s shooter ordered back to jail after the prosecutor accused him of lying at his bond hearing. The judge furious as he revoked George Zimmerman`s bond. We`re going to talk to the lawyer for Trayvon`s family.

Also, growing questions about a disturbing series of crimes that have one very hideous things in common. Cops say a porn star dismembered and consumed a human body and caught it on video. Another man accused of doing the same thing to his roommate. A third attempting to devour the face of a homeless man. What is behind this? We`re going to examine the psychological roots.

Also, the mother of adorable missing Kyron Horman suing mad tonight. Desiree Young`s little boy vanished almost two years ago after his stepmom, Terri Horman, dropped him off at school. And now Desiree wants to hold Terri responsible. Will this spark any new clues in the search for Kyron?

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, SHOOTING SUSPECT: Hey, we`ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there`s a real suspicious guy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He just said he shot him. The person is dead, laying on the ground!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Sanford Police Department is conducting a fair investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There was gunshots.

SYBRINA FULTON, MOTHER OF TRAYVON: Our son was not committing any crime!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No justice! No peace!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No justice! No peace!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No justice! No peace!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you following him?

ZIMMERMAN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, we don`t need you to do that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Zimmerman has made the statement of self- defense.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But Neighborhood Watch is Neighborhood Watch, not neighborhood shoot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One million dollars for the capture of George Zimmerman.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You know, if I had a son, he`d look like Trayvon.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think he`s yelling "help"?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: George, what`s your last name?

ZIMMERMAN: Zimmerman.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, breaking news in George Zimmerman`s murder case. The man accused of gunning down an unarmed teen has been ordered back to jail. A judge in Florida revoked Zimmerman`s bond today for lying about his passport and how much money he had.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KENNETH LESTER, JUDGE: He can`t sit back and obtain the benefits of a lower bond or circumstances based upon those material falsehoods. That`s what they were. So at this time I revoke him bond, place him on no-bond status.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The Neighborhood Watch volunteer is charged with second-degree murder in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

The teen was walking home from a convenience store the evening of February 26 when the defendant shot him, shot him dead. Zimmerman claims he fired in self-defense. The prosecutor says Zimmerman misrepresented how much money he had when his bond was first granted back in April. That`s a fancy way of saying he lied. Zimmerman claimed indigence, that he was broke. And that played a part in him getting to walk out of jail.

But the state now says Zimmerman had access to at least 135 grand he got from a Web site where he was asking for donations to help pay for his defense. Prosecutors say Zimmerman can be heard in jail phone calls talking in code, telling his wife, essentially, to move the money around.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The defendant`s wife lied to this court when -- and I`ve cited in the motion -- both Mr. O`Mara and the state asked her questions, she stated she had no money when, in fact, the records show that she did.

We have the jail calls the defendant made to his wife and to other people -- and I`ll focus specifically on his wife, Shelly Zimmerman -- in which he repeatedly tells her about the money, about moving the money, and transferring it from one position to the other.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow! Those phone calls are going to become a crucial part of this entire case.

Straight out to Natalie Jackson, the attorney for the Trayvon Martin family. Your reaction to this extraordinary development of the judge saying, "You lied. You go back to jail."

NATALIE JACKSON, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN`S FAMILY: I will tell you, we`ve said all along this case is about the American justice system and whether or not it works equally and fairly for all.

What the judge did today was very important to this case. The judge said that he was going to follow the law, and he was going to make everyone else follow the law. And it testified truthfully about what they know, and he was not going to allow any shenanigans in his courtroom.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me say, Mark Nejame, HLN contributor, criminal defense attorney, what I saw, just from a chess game strategy was, wow, this is war.

Now, you remember during that bond hearing it seemed like the defense attorney, Mark O`Mara, had really scored points against the prosecution, even embarrassed the prosecutors. He sort of held a mini trial, called up an investigator, started cross-examining him. The gentleman didn`t have all the answers, hadn`t seen a medical report. And everybody was kind of snickering, saying, "Wow. Mark O`Mara, Zimmerman`s attorney, just absolutely devastated them."

Well, today it was payback, because this was a big day for the prosecution, Mark.

MARK NEJAME, HLN LEGAL ANALYST: Yes, credit where credit`s due.

Look, if he lied, bail should be denied. There`s no question about it.

I was a little surprised in that I thought that the judge would require a hearing in order for a determination to be made as to whether there was a misrepresentation. The judge has done it in reverse of what I thought. He basically yanked the bond and said, "I`ll give you a second bite of the apple. But if you want another evidentiary hearing later on, I`ll give it to you."

But apparently, the state was able to get the tapes of -- when you`re in jail, all your calls are recorded. And they had it all lined up, and they were able to establish, at least to the court`s satisfaction, that there was money there. And if there was money there, and it was a misrepresentation, judge did the right thing.

I just simply wanted there to be an evidentiary hearing so we could really find out what happened. But apparently -- and I`ve not seen it -- but if those transcripts are as the judge indicated -- of course, we have no reason to doubt otherwise. I mean, if the judge stated it, I know it to be correct. Then there`s big trouble. Not only for yanking the bond but also for the credibility down the line.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, exactly. How dumb is this?

Joe Episcopo, criminal defense attorney, I mean, in a self-defense case where the victim is not around anymore, because he`s tragically died, the shooter`s most important defense is his own word, his credibility, when he claims, "I did it in self-defense."

And now his credibility, according to a lot of observers, is shot because he`s been shown up by prosecutors to be a liar and also kind of a conniver, allegedly, purportedly speaking in code with his wife, caught on this recording.

JOE EPISCOPO, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, especially as it relates to...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, Joe.

EPISCOPO: And you know, I know Judge Lester. He`s a very fair and even-tempered judge. Even though he did throw me out of his courtroom one time.

Now they`ll have to appeal his decision and prove an abuse of discretion, which they won`t be able to do, and he`ll sit there until his trial comes. So I don`t think he`s in good shape at this particular point.

And, you know, I thought it was pretty obvious that they were making a lot of money on the Internet. They should have said something. "Judge, we`re hoping to make a lot of money to help with this case on the Internet. So far we`ve made such-and-such." Why didn`t they do that? It sounds like they were trying to cover it up.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And I`ve got to tell you, I talked to Mark O`Mara after that bond hearing. And I said, listen, when it came out that they had made all of this money on the Web site, I said, "Didn`t you ask your client about that?"

And he acknowledged. He said, you know, "I should have -- I should have been a little more thorough."

But, I mean, I think in this day and age where everything comes out, Natalie Jackson, were you, as the attorney -- an attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family, astounded that these kinds of purported hijinks were being played with the court on such a high-profile case? Does anybody really think they`re going to be able to hide a couple of hundred grand?

JACKSON: Well, you know, we`ve always known that George Zimmerman`s credibility is what is going to do him in at the end. That this whole case is based on whether or not he`s credible, whether or not there is a self- defense claim.

He`s the only person that say that he acted in self-defense. So his credibility is the key to this case. So what we were, we were actually -- our faith was restored a little bit that the law was going to be followed. We`ve always believed, if the law is followed, then there will be a conviction in this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Want to go out to the phone lines, because they`re lighting up over this. Lori, Tennessee, your question or thought -- Lori.

CALLER: Hi, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.

CALLER: I just, you know -- just listening to all of these things that are going on with this case, and I thought from the beginning, if Zimmerman would have just taken responsibility for what happened, I think he knew it wasn`t self-defense. But he had to come up with something. And he knew law enforcement well enough.

But I also think that the police officers dropped the ball a little bit, too, because they just took his word for it. And now...

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These witnesses are scared to death to comply in terms of their names, their intimate details, where they live, their relatives, their phone numbers, et cetera, being publicized, where they work. And our fear is that`s what`s going to occur.

And in the long run, it`s going to do a disservice to this particular case, and it`s going to severely impact the ability to try this case in this county, maybe even the state of Florida.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, that`s the prosecutor saying, "Hey, Judge, please don`t give out to the media the names of the witnesses and the photo of the victim, texts, cell phone records."

But, of course, Florida has the biggest, most open sunshine laws, and essentially the judge said, "Look, the law is against us. The law in Florida is different than any other place in the country."

But that got overshadowed by the bombshell developments toward the end of the hearing when the judge hears the prosecution`s motion to throw this guy, George Zimmerman, back in the clink and agrees. In fact, the judge is furious.

Sunny Hostin, "In Session" legal contributor, play it down. Tell us in people terms what the heck happened.

SUNNY HOSTIN, LEGAL CONTRIBUTOR, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Well, what happened is that the government, of course, filed a motion to revoke George Zimmerman`s bond on two grounds, because they have been doing their work, their investigation. And they found out that George Zimmerman and Shelly Zimmerman had been having these jailhouse phone calls. And, as you know, Jane, and as I know and probably most of your viewers know, those calls are always monitored and taped.

Well, for the first round, they found out that George Zimmerman, while he did relinquish one passport, apparently, he had a second passport that he had applied for, claiming that the first passport had been lost. And the second passport that he maintains that he kept didn`t expire until 2014.

But, really, Jane, what the court, what Judge Lester was most concerned about was the second ground that the government moved on, and that is they found out during these phone calls between George and Shelly Zimmerman that, in fact, the day before this bond hearing, the hearing at which Shelly Zimmerman took an oath to tell the truth, yet told the court that she had no money, no funds that she knew of to come up with enough money to bond George Zimmerman out. In fact, they had $135,000 in a credit union account that she controlled at the direction of George Zimmerman.

Well, Jane, you know judges do not like to be lied to. They don`t like misrepresentations. And once he heard about that, this judge yanked his bond, ordered him back to jail within 48 hours.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mark Nejame, HLN contributor, criminal defense attorney out of Orlando, if George Zimmerman ultimately takes the stand in his own defense at his trial, will he be cross-examined about these alleged misrepresentations, this lying purportedly about passport, about money?

NEJAME: You hit the nail on the head. That`s going to be the issue about admissibility. And he did not specifically say that at his bond hearing, but apparently allowed his wife to make statements which the judge has interpreted as being untrue. So to specifically attach a statement, you really can`t do that.

However, if they can show that he possibly allowed lies to come in, it`s going to be a stretch. I mean, it`s one thing to pull the bond. It`s going to clearly impact his credibility for a stand-your-ground hearing, presuming there is one. It becomes more iffy at the time of trial whether any of it will be able to get in.

But I think if, in fact, the lie was told and it turns out to be a lie -- and I think there is going to be a subsequent evidentiary hearing -- judge gave the defense the opportunity to do that. In his press conference, O`Mara said that he would be presenting his client to give an explanation to the court.

But the reality of it is, is that this hurts across the board: credibility and everything else, no question about it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Natalie Jackson, you are an attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family. What was their reaction to this news? Because I know they were devastated when he got out on bond, and he walked free. I remember them walking away, and they looked like they had tears in their eyes.

JACKSON: Yes. You know, of course they always thought that George Zimmerman behind -- belonged behind bars. They are parents who lost a teenage -- a teenage child. So for them, I think that, you know, they consider that their faith is being restored in the justice system, too.

They want the law to be followed. That`s all that they`ve asked for in this case. That was that. The beginning of this case was the demand for an arrest. We know, by the prosecution`s affidavit, there should have been an arrest in this case.

So the law has always -- whether or not we were going to follow the law has always been a question. And today the judge gave us faith by telling us, yes, we are.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LESTER: He can`t sit back and enjoy the benefit of a lower bond or circumstances based upon those material falsehoods. That`s what they were. So at this time, revoke his bond, place him on no-bond status.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: An angry judge says, "George Zimmerman, you`re going back to jail."

And to put it in people terms, the prosecutor said that this guy lied, that he lied and that his wife also misrepresented the amount of money they had. They presented themselves as broke when they were given -- he was given bond, and now it comes out that they had a lot of money. They had a Web site set up to receive donations.

Now, this could be the beginning of Zimmerman`s problems, because there was something that sort of -- you could have missed it if you were watching the hearing. It was said in passing but could be absolutely crucial. And it relates to this so-called witness No. 9.

The prosecutor cryptically referred to some person that has some kind of dispute with George Zimmerman, details that the state says could prejudice the jury against George Zimmerman. Listen carefully.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The audio-recorded statements, 2 CDs have been furnished to defense of a witness identified as witness No. 9 taken on March 20 of 2012 by investigators for the Sanford state attorney`s office.

It deals with an allegation made by that witness regarding an act committed by this defendant. I think quite frankly, in fairness to the defendant, it would be severely prejudicial to the defendant.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Allegations of an act committed by this defendant that would be severely prejudicial to this defendant? Wow, my ears popped up at that one. Mark Nejame, did your ears pop up when you heard that, too?

NEJAME: I must have been driving because I didn`t hear it, but, having heard it now, I will tell you that what he`s likely alluding to is prior acts. Prior acts are historically and typically and legally not permitted in court. I think that`s what both sides were arguing, they were trying to bar the press from basically having all this.

Apparently, he did something that will be interpreted by the public, at least from the prosecution`s perspective, as being prejudicial and inflammatory, and it won`t be admissible in court anyway. So that`s likely -- what it is specifically we don`t know, but a prior act standing alone is not going to get into court.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Sunny Hostin, briefly, are we going to learn, is the media going to find out, what this allegation is? Twenty seconds.

HOSTIN: Well, you know, it seemed that the judge was inclined to release a lot of information. He said very clearly, Jane, that according to him and the sunshine laws, that the laws were sort of against what the prosecution was asking for. So we may hear about it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Extraordinary day in court.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 02, 2012, 11:37:45 PM
Aw, c'mon already.  What's with the continued use of this photo of TM?  Read the caption below the photo.  Yes, GZ did shoot and kill TM.  And yes TM is the same person in the old photo as he would be if he were shown in a recent photo.  However, GZ did not shoot TM at the age he is shown in the photo.  Yes, it's really sad a young man was shot to death, but the media needs to stop with the false information/impressions.  It's wrong!  How many people understand how the news is being manipulated?!  Look at the statements I've noted in blue.  I believe the media should take a look at itself in regard to fanning the flames of hatred, racism and talk about "promotional campaigns!!"   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Misinformation campaign.  JMHO

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-sanford-image-20120603,0,4831370.story
Sanford tries to rebuild its image after Trayvon Martin shooting
The Florida city has put together a public relations effort to showcase it in a positive light after media coverage of the case did some damage.

June 2, 2012

(http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2012-06/70267315.jpg)
Trayvon Martin was shot by George Zimmerman, who is facing a second-degree murder charge (Anonymous, Associated Press / March 7, 2012)
SANFORD, Fla. — In the war of images that followed the killing of Trayvon Martin, Sanford has launched a new offensive: a promotional campaign to showcase the city in a positive light.

After Martin was fatally shot in a Sanford gated community in February, a torrent of news coverage worldwide cast the city as a backward burg troubled by racism, angry protesters and an inept Police Department that did not arrest neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, who is half white, half Peruvian, for killing the unarmed African American teenager.

Sanford merchants saw sales decline, customers canceled reservations at restaurants and fewer shoppers browsed downtown streets.

Now, Sanford officials are putting together a public relations effort to proclaim that the Seminole County seat is still "The Friendly City" touted by its slogan.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 03, 2012, 07:58:23 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-03/trayvon-martin-case-witness-statements/55349480/1
Witnesses in Trayvon Martin case offer differing accounts
By Yamiche Alcindor, USA TODAY
June 3, 2012

A witness in the Trayvon Martin case gives a clear account of the fight just before a fatal gunshot was fired: a black man with a hoodie on top of a white man.
But another witness recalls it quite differently: a man with a white shirt on top of another.

The stark contradictions from witnesses are not uncommon and underscore the difficulties prosecutors will have in trying to portray the final moments of Trayvon's life to a jury. Whether George Zimmerman will go to prison for killing Trayvon will probably rest on troublesome witness accounts and the inherent unreliability of human memory, experts say.

"Perceptions are very individualistic," said Bennett Gershman, a Pace University law professor. "The fact that witnesses will see different things and testify to different things is one of the realities to our fact-finding system."
 ::snipping2::
A number of witness statements reviewed by USA TODAY tell a confusing story of neighbors who saw and heard little of a confrontation that has captivated the nation.

Many who spoke with police and attorneys about the night of the shooting echo the statement of a person identified as witness one. "I looked out the window and I really couldn't see anything," the person told Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigators on March 20.

Others share in the uncertainty in dozens of interviews included in discovery documents released by the state prosecutor's office. Most describe darkness and rain, muffled shouts and what could have been kids horsing around or two men fighting for their lives.

In one of the starkest contrasts, two people describe wholly different accounts of the altercation between Zimmerman and Trayvon.

"There was a black man with a black hoodie on top of either a white guy or … a Hispanic guy with a red sweat shirt on the ground yelling out 'help,'" a person identified as witness six told a Sanford police officer hours after the shooting.

A person identified as witness three offered investigators another account on March 19. "I just saw this white shirt on top," the person said. "I tried to stay away. I was scared."

The differing versions don't surprise Barbara Tversky, a Columbia University psychology professor who said people can easily mix up things when witnessing such a sudden event.

"At the time something happens, we are trying to make sense of it," she said. "I'm not focusing on someone's shirt color or height. I'm focusing on what's happening and trying to make sense of what's going on."

Later, people try to process what they saw — and that can lead to inaccuracies. "People are more influenced to what they think must have happened," Tversky said.

That may be the case for a person identified as witness number five, who injects opinion into a statement to Sanford police. "It just sounded like someone was struggling or in trouble or hurting or something," the person said. The person later added, "I feel that he [Zimmerman] intended for this kid to die because there was no struggling going on at that point [when gunshot was heard]."

Another witness is a friend of Trayvon Martin, who said she was on the phone with the teen when the fight ensued.

In her version, Trayvon, scared and out of breath from running, unsuccessfully tries to lose Zimmerman. "I hear this old man say, 'What are you doing around here?,'" the girl said in an interview with an assistant state attorney. "Then I could hear the grass."

It's unclear whether a jury will ever hear her story. Much of it is about what Trayvon said to her and that may be declared inadmissible hearsay, Gershman said.

Gershman, who listened to a majority of the witness recordings, said he doubts jurors will get a sense of who started the fight — a key point that experts believe the case rests upon.

"I don't think we're ever going to have a clear picture of what happened," he said.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on June 03, 2012, 10:15:47 AM
Just wondering if this case would be so notorious if it were reversed? If TM had killed the neighborhood watchman, GZ?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on June 03, 2012, 10:20:54 AM
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w402/jamcakestoo/trayvon-martin-double-finger.jpg)


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: seahorse on June 03, 2012, 10:26:07 AM
George Zimmerman Returns to Florida to Turn Self In After Bail Revoked

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-returns-sanford-florida-turn-bail-revoked/story?id=16484963&page=2

Page 2 of 2


SANFORD, Fla., June 3, 2012


George Zimmerman: In my account do I have at least $100?

Shelly Zimmerman: No

George Zimmerman: How close am I?

Shelly Zimmerman: $8. $8.60

George Zimmerman: Really? So total everything how much are we looking at?
Shelly Zimmerman: Like $155

Prosecutor Bernie De La Rionda noted Shelly Zimmerman actually meant $155,000.

He said the couple knew that their conversation was being recorded but that they were speaking in code and knowingly withheld from the court the amount of money brought in from therealgeorgezimmerman.com, the now defunct website set up by the 28-year-old to help fund his defense fund.


 snip...


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: klaasend on June 03, 2012, 10:51:30 AM
Easily traceable by the courts and LE is how much money Zimmerman had in that donation account.  Also easily identifiable is if he knew how much money he actually had.  It's my understanding that it was a PAYPAL link for donations.  If that is the case if Zimmerman's personal email addy was used (and I believe it was) Zimmerman absolutely DID have access to any and all donations made.

I'm not siding with Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin, I'm only addressing this donation issue and how much money Zimmerman told the court he had.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 03, 2012, 11:03:59 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-back-florida-turn-police-article-1.1089069
George Zimmerman back in Florida, will turn himself in to police
Judge revoked Zimmerman's bail on Friday

June 3, 2012

George Zimmerman has come out of hiding Sunday and will turn himself into Florida police sometime before 2:30 p.m., his lawyer said.

Zimmerman returned to Sanford late Saturday night from his undisclosed hideout, attorney Mark O'Mara said in the statement.

On Friday, the 28-year-old neighborhood watchman was ordered to return to jail within 48 hours after Florida Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester found that he and his wife lied about their finances at a bail hearing on April 20.

Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie, testified they were broke, prompting the judge to set bail at $150,000.

But the couple didn't mention the $135,000 they had raised through a website.

Lester said on Friday that the Zimmermans misled him.

Zimmerman's defense said the flap was a misunderstanding and insisted he didn’t know how to get his hands on the cash.

The total has reportedly grown to more than $200,000.

O'Mara said Sunday he would request a new bond hearing and hoped Zimmerman's surrender would prove he's not a flight risk.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 03, 2012, 11:05:51 AM
Easily traceable by the courts and LE is how much money Zimmerman had in that donation account.  Also easily identifiable is if he knew how much money he actually had.  It's my understanding that it was a PAYPAL link for donations.  If that is the case if Zimmerman's personal email addy was used (and I believe it was) Zimmerman absolutely DID have access to any and all donations made.

I'm not siding with Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin, I'm only addressing this donation issue and how much money Zimmerman told the court he had.

Not sure, but just wondering if Zimmerman had access to a computer to look at emails.  Wasn't he in jail? Do prisoners have access to the net? Unless of course he gave his wife his password.  Just some thoughts here.  :smt102


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: klaasend on June 03, 2012, 11:36:33 AM
Easily traceable by the courts and LE is how much money Zimmerman had in that donation account.  Also easily identifiable is if he knew how much money he actually had.  It's my understanding that it was a PAYPAL link for donations.  If that is the case if Zimmerman's personal email addy was used (and I believe it was) Zimmerman absolutely DID have access to any and all donations made.

I'm not siding with Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin, I'm only addressing this donation issue and how much money Zimmerman told the court he had.

Not sure, but just wondering if Zimmerman had access to a computer to look at emails.  Wasn't he in jail? Do prisoners have access to the net? Unless of course he gave his wife his password.  Just some thoughts here.  :smt102

I don't think "I've been in jail this week and haven't been able to access the internet" will work as an excuse.  If the judge asks how much money you have access to you better find someone to get that information to you.  You can't claim ignorance.  He would be getting email updates of his paypal account likely available on his phone as well.

 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 03, 2012, 11:46:53 AM
Easily traceable by the courts and LE is how much money Zimmerman had in that donation account.  Also easily identifiable is if he knew how much money he actually had.  It's my understanding that it was a PAYPAL link for donations.  If that is the case if Zimmerman's personal email addy was used (and I believe it was) Zimmerman absolutely DID have access to any and all donations made.

I'm not siding with Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin, I'm only addressing this donation issue and how much money Zimmerman told the court he had.

Not sure, but just wondering if Zimmerman had access to a computer to look at emails.  Wasn't he in jail? Do prisoners have access to the net? Unless of course he gave his wife his password.  Just some thoughts here.  :smt102

I don't think "I've been in jail this week and haven't been able to access the internet" will work as an excuse.  If the judge asks how much money you have access to you better find someone to get that information to you.  You can't claim ignorance.  He would be getting email updates of his paypal account likely available on his phone as well.

 

 ::rhino::  He should have said he had this account, regardless of what amount was in it for sure. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 03, 2012, 12:57:50 PM
Aw, c'mon already.  What's with the continued use of this photo of TM?  Read the caption below the photo.  Yes, GZ did shoot and kill TM.  And yes TM is the same person in the old photo as he would be if he were shown in a recent photo.  However, GZ did not shoot TM at the age he is shown in the photo.  Yes, it's really sad a young man was shot to death, but the media needs to stop with the false information/impressions.  It's wrong!  How many people understand how the news is being manipulated?!  Look at the statements I've noted in blue.  I believe the media should take a look at itself in regard to fanning the flames of hatred, racism and talk about "promotional campaigns!!"   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Misinformation campaign.  JMHO
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-sanford-image-20120603,0,4831370.story
Sanford tries to rebuild its image after Trayvon Martin shooting
The Florida city has put together a public relations effort to showcase it in a positive light after media coverage of the case did some damage.

June 2, 2012

(http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2012-06/70267315.jpg)
Trayvon Martin was shot by George Zimmerman, who is facing a second-degree murder charge (Anonymous, Associated Press / March 7, 2012)
SANFORD, Fla. — In the war of images that followed the killing of Trayvon Martin, Sanford has launched a new offensive: a promotional campaign to showcase the city in a positive light.

After Martin was fatally shot in a Sanford gated community in February, a torrent of news coverage worldwide cast the city as a backward burg troubled by racism, angry protesters and an inept Police Department that did not arrest neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, who is half white, half Peruvian, for killing the unarmed African American teenager.

Sanford merchants saw sales decline, customers canceled reservations at restaurants and fewer shoppers browsed downtown streets.

Now, Sanford officials are putting together a public relations effort to proclaim that the Seminole County seat is still "The Friendly City" touted by its slogan.
 ::snipping2::

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::

What Muffy said!! Spot on and sickening .....


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: seahorse on June 03, 2012, 02:08:47 PM
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/6/3/george_zimmerman_tur.html


George Zimmerman turns himself in to the Seminole County Jail Sunday, June 3, 2012

Last Updated: Sunday, June 03, 2012 @ 01:55PM


Hat Tip to JQ!!!!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: seahorse on June 03, 2012, 02:34:16 PM
 Now he knows how much money is in his account.  Edit to add link per Seahorse.  MB
http://webbond.seminolesheriff.org/InmateInfo.aspx?bkgnbr=201200004452

INMATE INFORMATION  

Booking #:  201200004452  
Name:  GEORGE   ZIMMERMAN  


Arrested by:  Seminole County Sheriff`s Office  
Arrest Date:  04/11/2012 08:30:00 PM  
 
  
 
Inmate may not be bailed.
  
 
ACCOUNT BALANCE  
$500.00  
  
    
THE CHARGES ARE  
MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE ***GPS***
  
 
  
 
 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: seahorse on June 03, 2012, 02:39:48 PM
http://webbond.seminolesheriff.org/InmateInfo.aspx?bkgnbr=201200004452

Sorry, Muffy, I forgot to post the Link.

John E. Polk Correctional Facility


Booking #:  201200004452 
Name:  GEORGE   ZIMMERMAN
   


He will of off and running to the commissary pretty soon for more munchies  ::rhino::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 03, 2012, 02:45:10 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57446205/george-zimmerman-back-in-fla-jail/


 ::snipping2::
Zimmerman's lawyers say their client returned to the state to meet this afternoon's deadline. They say they will ask for a new bond hearing.

During a bond hearing in April, Zimmerman and his wife indicated they had limited funds. But prosecutors say Zimmerman had raised thousands through a website he had set up for his legal defense.

His lawyers said in a press release that the money Zimmerman has raised is in an independent trust and cannot be directly accessed by Zimmerman or his attorneys.
 ::snipping2::
Both McClean and Hill said O'Mara would be able to challenge the admissibility of the bond revocation at trial by questioning its relevance.

Zimmerman was arrested 44 days after the killing, and during a bond hearing in April, his wife, Shellie, testified that the couple had limited funds available. Zimmerman took the stand at the hearing and apologized to Martin's parents.

Prosecutors pointed out in their motion that Zimmerman had $135,000 available then. It had been raised from donations through a website he had set up. They suggested more has been collected since and deposited in a bank account.

Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical.

Prosecutor Bernie De la Rionda complained Friday, "This court was led to believe they didn't have a single penny. It was misleading and I don't know what words to use other than it was a blatant lie." The judge agreed and ordered Zimmerman returned to jail by Sunday afternoon.

The defense countered that Zimmerman and his wife never used the money for anything, which indicated "there was no deceit."

The judge said he would schedule a hearing after Zimmerman is back in custody so he could explain himself.

Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, said his clients have always said Zimmerman should remain in jail until trial.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: KittyMom on June 03, 2012, 02:56:02 PM
Do we know how the accounts were set up?  How could the money be accessed?  Were only certain persons allowed access?  My point being, if the accounts were set up to be used to pay for a defense, maybe the family didn't have direct access to the moneys.  Also, if the account were set up to pay household expenses for the wife, maybe there was an accountant that was in charge of paying bills. 

Has anyone seen the paperwork for these accts to know the exact terms for which they were set up?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 03, 2012, 04:26:13 PM
"Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57446205/george-zimmerman-back-in-fla-jail/
Edit to add date of article publication.  MB  June 3, 2012


This is what I don't understand, the prosecution, judge knew of this account at the bond hearing. Why didn't the judge require Shellie Zimmerman to check into then disclose $ in the account? I don't see that she lied,...she didn't try to hide the account.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on June 03, 2012, 04:41:34 PM
"Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57446205/george-zimmerman-back-in-fla-jail/
Edit to add date of article publication.  MB  June 3, 2012


This is what I don't understand, the prosecution, judge knew of this account at the bond hearing. Why didn't the judge require Shellie Zimmerman to check into then disclose $ in the account? I don't see that she lied,...she didn't try to hide the account.


To me, it is a ploy by the prosecution to counter the damage to their case by the release of info. They had to make GZ look bad, so they sought to discredit him with these claims.

jmo


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 03, 2012, 06:04:52 PM
http://m.cnn.com/primary/cnnd_fullarticle?topic=newsarticle&category=cnnd_latest&articleId=urn:newsml:CNN.com:20120601:florida-teen-shooting:1&cookieFlag=COOKIE_SET


In court documents, State Attorney Angela B. Corey also said that Zimmerman had two passports, and the passport that he surrendered to the court at the April hearing was one that Zimmerman had reported stolen on March 8, 2004. That passport was valid until May 2012, Corey said.


Zimmerman was issued a second passport on March 26, 2004, and that one is valid until 2014, she said.

The prosecutor asked the court that Zimmerman be ordered to surrender the second passport to authorities.

But Lester appeared to accept the explanation from Zimmerman's lawyer that his client had given him the second passport, and the lawyer simply forgot to hand it over to authorities until Friday.

Regarding Zimmerman's finances, Corey alleged that in the recorded phone calls in April the couple "spoke in code to hide what they were doing" regarding the money in a credit union account belonging to the couple.

The money was apparently donated by members of the public to Zimmerman's website.

Zimmerman "fully controlled and participated in the transfer of money from the PayPal account to defendant and his wife's credit union accounts," Corey said in court records. "This occurred prior to the time defendant was arguing to the court that he was indigent and his wife had no money."

In late April, Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said that the money raised by the website was put into a trust account that the attorney controls.

But Corey stated Friday in the court documents: "The money still belongs to defendant and he can demand it at any time."

Court papers provided a partial transcript of a phone call allegedly showing the code used by Zimmerman and his wife on April 16:

Zimmerman: "In my account do I have at least $100?"


His wife: "No."

Zimmerman: "How close am I?"

His wife: "$8. $8.60."

Zimmerman: "Really. So total everything how much are we looking at?"

His wife: "Like $155."

The prosecutor said the judge "relied on false representations and statements" by Zimmerman and his wife when the court set his bond at $150,000. He was required to post only 10% of that.

Corey argued that the court should revoke the bond or increase it "substantially."


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 03, 2012, 06:12:19 PM
JMO Zimmerman's needed no outside help to make theirselves look bad based on the wiretaps proving knowledge of the $ in the account and the evidence of the 2nd passport.

snipped;

Lester accused Zimmerman of having misrepresented how much money he had when his bond was originally set in April. Prosecutors say he had $135,000 at the time Zimmerman's wife, Shellie, told the court, under oath, that they were indigent.

The prosecution cited as evidence recorded telephone conversations that Zimmerman had with his wife prior to the hearing. The conversations were recorded while Zimmerman was being held in the Seminole County Jail after being charged with second-degree murder on April 11.
http://m.cnn.com/primary/cnnd_fullarticle?topic=newsarticle&category=cnnd_latest&articleId=urn:newsml:CNN.com:20120601:florida-teen-shooting:1&cookieFlag=COOKIE_SET



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 03, 2012, 06:22:41 PM
I personally have very conflicting thoughts on this case, it is not cut n dry at all imo nor race based.  I am hoping more comes out to make it clear either way.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on June 03, 2012, 06:23:57 PM
"Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57446205/george-zimmerman-back-in-fla-jail/
Edit to add date of article publication.  MB  June 3, 2012


This is what I don't understand, the prosecution, judge knew of this account at the bond hearing. Why didn't the judge require Shellie Zimmerman to check into then disclose $ in the account? I don't see that she lied,...she didn't try to hide the account.


To me, it is a ploy by the prosecution to counter the damage to their case by the release of info. They had to make GZ look bad, so they sought to discredit him with these claims.

jmo

I agree...the judge was aware of this account.  Didn't he say that he would check into it?  Maybe he did...and this is the result?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 03, 2012, 06:52:09 PM
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2116359,00.html
Defense: George Zimmerman in Police Custody
June 3, 2012

(http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2012/1206/nf_zimmerman_0603.jpg)
George Zimmerman (right) arrives at the John E. Polk Correctional Facility after his bond was revoked by a Florida judge in Sanford, Fla., June 3, 2012.
Brian Blanco / Reuters




Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: tupelohoney on June 03, 2012, 07:50:42 PM
https://www.facebook.com/thatmarciaclark/posts/473619472664301

Marcia Clark · 2,136 like this
Yesterday at 1:58pm ·

And here's more Bail-Gate fallout for Zimmerman: the same judge who just tossed him into the hoosegow is the one who's going to decide whether he had the right to "stand his ground" at the pretrial hearing. In Florida, the defense has the right to try and convince a judge in a pretrial hearing that he killed in self defense. If the judge is convinced that the shooting was in self defense, he can throw the whole case out right then and there. It'll never go to a jury.
But Zimmerman will have to testify at that hearing, since he's the primary witness and his testimony is necessary to establish a claim of self defense.
That means he has to persuade this judge that he's telling the truth about being attacked by Trayvon Martin.
Now that this judge has found Zimmerman lied about his finances at the bail hearing, I'm going to step out on a limb and guess Zimmerman's chances of getting the judge to buy his self defense claim have sunk to about zero.
Though I was never all that worried that the case would get thrown out at the "stand your ground" hearing, I think this latest wrinkle has removed all doubt.
This case is going to trial.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 03, 2012, 08:27:25 PM
https://www.facebook.com/thatmarciaclark/posts/473619472664301

Marcia Clark · 2,136 like this
Yesterday at 1:58pm ·

And here's more Bail-Gate fallout for Zimmerman: the same judge who just tossed him into the hoosegow is the one who's going to decide whether he had the right to "stand his ground" at the pretrial hearing. In Florida, the defense has the right to try and convince a judge in a pretrial hearing that he killed in self defense. If the judge is convinced that the shooting was in self defense, he can throw the whole case out right then and there. It'll never go to a jury.
But Zimmerman will have to testify at that hearing, since he's the primary witness and his testimony is necessary to establish a claim of self defense.
That means he has to persuade this judge that he's telling the truth about being attacked by Trayvon Martin.
Now that this judge has found Zimmerman lied about his finances at the bail hearing, I'm going to step out on a limb and guess Zimmerman's chances of getting the judge to buy his self defense claim have sunk to about zero.
Though I was never all that worried that the case would get thrown out at the "stand your ground" hearing, I think this latest wrinkle has removed all doubt.
This case is going to trial.

I was under the impression you can toss out the SYG defense and still have a self defense argument here in Florida...I will check into that more and I have always expected this one to go to trial, can you imagine the riots and fallout if it didn't.....granted IMO that is no reason to charge a case or not toss one out, but I do think many times that is indeed the determining factor.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 03, 2012, 09:44:59 PM
"Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57446205/george-zimmerman-back-in-fla-jail/
Edit to add date of article publication.  MB  June 3, 2012


This is what I don't understand, the prosecution, judge knew of this account at the bond hearing. Why didn't the judge require Shellie Zimmerman to check into then disclose $ in the account? I don't see that she lied,...she didn't try to hide the account.


To me, it is a ploy by the prosecution to counter the damage to their case by the release of info. They had to make GZ look bad, so they sought to discredit him with these claims.

jmo

I agree...the judge was aware of this account.  Didn't he say that he would check into it?  Maybe he did...and this is the result?

Not according to the hearing transcript..judge nor prosecution asked about $ in the account, just seems odd to me that the judge displayed so much anger at the recent hearing when a] he knew of the account and b] all he needed to do at the bond hearing was ask to be informed of $s in the account.

Or just maybe...like me, he has that oldie short-term memory problem?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on June 04, 2012, 12:09:31 AM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/03/2831483/after-bond-revoked-george-zimmerman.html

After bond revoked, George Zimmerman returns to jail in Trayvon Martin killing
Posted on Sunday, 06.03.12

 ::snipping2::
The attorney said he would ask for a new bond hearing on Monday, insisting Zimmerman is “still entitled to a bond” under Florida law.

In an earlier statement on his website, O’Mara said he hoped his client’s surrender “will help demonstrate to the court that he is not a flight risk.”
 ::snipping2::

Asked about the possibility that Zimmerman’s wife could be charged with perjury, O’Mara said the judge has the power to impose contempt charges but that he did not want to speculate.

He said Zimmerman “understands the court’s concerns. . . . He understands the state’s concerns,” and that the couple’s statements at the bond hearing would “have to be rehabilitated.”

Since Zimmerman waived his right to a speedy trial, he could now be waiting in jail a long time, said his lawyer. “It is anticipated, though not certain, that the case will not be ready for trial until some time into 2013.”

For now, Zimmerman is confined by himself in a single cell — 67 square feet — for his own protection, equipped with a toilet and two beds
 ::snipping2::

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/03/2831483/after-bond-revoked-george-zimmerman.html#storylink=cpy


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on June 04, 2012, 06:03:30 AM
Some info on GZ's job:

CSI: Housing Bust

 ::snipping2::

Alpan (whose name has been changed, as his company’s policy forbids unauthorized employees to speak to the media) spends eight hours a day at this desk in Digital Risk’s office building in suburban Maitland, Florida, reconstructing the exact circumstances that led so many Americans to buy houses they couldn’t afford. The cases he has seen reveal a country gone berserk: a woman in Ann Arbor who refinanced her home five times in five years but neglected to tell her lender that she had quit her job; a concrete finisher in Las Vegas who applied for 15 mortgages in one week; pastors—dozens of them—who doctored bank statements, bought houses they couldn’t pay for, and then filed for bankruptcy. “The nice thing about pastors is that their church shares information when asked,” Alpan says. “Pastors are always an easy [fraud] claim.”

Four years after the crash, most financial institutions still aren’t equipped to find evidence of fraud in the toxic loans crippling their balance sheets. So they outsource the job to Digital Risk. The company’s CEO, Peter Kassabov, calls Digital Risk the “watchdog of the financial world.” Demand for watchdogs is high: the company, which has 1,100 employees, plans to double its workforce by the end of this year. Kassabov’s recruits tend to have underwriting experience; many are refugees of the housing bust. One such hire was George Zimmerman, the man who killed Trayvon Martin in February (Zimmerman says he acted in self-defense). At the time of the shooting, Zimmerman worked as an auditor at Digital Risk, and before that, he was a mortgage broker.

 ::snipping2::

The company spends about $10,000 to train each new employee in the art of fraud prevention and detection.

 ::snipping2::
Edit to add magazine issue date.  MB  June 2012
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/05/csi-housing-bust/8977/?google_editors_picks=true



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on June 04, 2012, 06:58:41 AM
"Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57446205/george-zimmerman-back-in-fla-jail/
Edit to add date of article publication.  MB  June 3, 2012


This is what I don't understand, the prosecution, judge knew of this account at the bond hearing. Why didn't the judge require Shellie Zimmerman to check into then disclose $ in the account? I don't see that she lied,...she didn't try to hide the account.


To me, it is a ploy by the prosecution to counter the damage to their case by the release of info. They had to make GZ look bad, so they sought to discredit him with these claims.

jmo

I agree...the judge was aware of this account.  Didn't he say that he would check into it?  Maybe he did...and this is the result?

Not according to the hearing transcript..judge nor prosecution asked about $ in the account, just seems odd to me that the judge displayed so much anger at the recent hearing when a] he knew of the account and b] all he needed to do at the bond hearing was ask to be informed of $s in the account.

Or just maybe...like me, he has that oldie short-term memory problem?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Thanks Toler...well, where did I hear that from?  Hmmm...I know that I read that somewhere.  I will go and check it out...ha.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 04, 2012, 08:41:26 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1206/03/cnr.01.html
George Zimmerman Back in Jail;  ::snipping2::
Aired June 3, 2012 - 14:37   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, you're in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Fredricka Whitfield.

We're following two big stories right now. George Zimmerman has just turned himself in. The man accused of killing unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin is back in jail.
 ::snipping2::
All right, now let's go to Sanford, Florida. That's where George Zimmerman has come out of hiding and he is now back in jail. His bond was revoked by the judge of the Trayvon Martin murder case.

Martin Savidge is there. Martin, tell us about how this all unfolded today?

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, it went smoothly, and it went safely. That's, of course, the primary concern both for the defense and also for the sheriff's office here.

George Zimmerman was booked into the Seminole County Jail at around 1:43 so a little less than an hour ago. But a little different as to how he turned himself in. It actually occurred on the side of a highway here in Central Florida.

We know that George Zimmerman returned to this area late last night. But as far as actually getting back into custody of authorities, well, listen to the sheriff as he described how that happened.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHERIFF DONALD ESLINGER, SEMINOLE COUNTY, FLORIDA: George Zimmerman met two members of the sheriff's office in the area of Lake Merriad, I-4, was placed into custody, transported to the correctional facility. He is being booked and processed as per Judge Lester's order. He'll be held on a no bond status.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SAVIDGE: And as before, George Zimmerman is going to be held in his own cell. He'll be isolated from the other part of the jail population here. Meanwhile, his attorney, that's Mark O'Mara described to me what George Zimmerman's mood was like.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARK O'MARA, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S ATTORNEY: He's solemn obviously. He is worried continually about his safety. Having to come out of hiding is a concern of his, but I think he also realizes the judge's concerns now that we've all had on the defense team a chance to look at all of the evidence.

He understands the court's concerns. He understands the state's concerns and we're going to address those and say what I think needs to be said to address them with Judge Lester.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SAVIDGE: Mark O'Mara hopes that his client will not behind bars for very long. He plans to file a motion tomorrow to request another bond hearing.

But of course, the decision of how long George Zimmerman stays in jail will rest entirely with the judge. And the judge is not too happy with George Zimmerman right now because of what many say is hiding of money.

WHITFIELD: And so, Martin, it's the judge's discretion as to whether there would be another bond hearing, even though Mark O'Mara is requesting another bond hearing.

SAVIDGE: Right, that's correct. And one thing you probably can bet is that the hearing isn't going to happen real soon. The judge would probably want George Zimmerman to think a little bit.

But then on top of that, you're right. The judge could make the decision that he won't necessarily have to grant bond. If that were the case then George Zimmerman could remain indefinitely or at least until his trial, and that is not expected until next year.

WHITFIELD: All right, Martin Savidge, thanks so much in Sanford, Florida.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 04, 2012, 08:45:51 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2012/06/03/nr-zimmerman-back-to-jail-savidge-whitfield.cnn?iref=allsearch
Zimmerman is booked into jail again. VIDEO
Added On June 4, 2012
CNN's Martin Savidge reports, the man charged with the second degree murder of Trayvon Martin is back in jail.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 04, 2012, 08:47:27 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2012/06/04/exp-point-crump-zimmerman-bond.cnn?iref=allsearch
Crump:  If Trayvon lied he'd be in jail.
Added On June 4, 2012
Trayvon Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump responds to murder suspect George Zimmerman's bond being revoked.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2012, 09:48:28 AM
I think this case is a wake up call.  If the laws and presumption of innocence of GZ will be ignored and twisted as they have been in the case, what waits for the rest of us?   This is setting a president for future cases that is beyond scary, imo.  Our right to a fair trial are whirling down a porcelain bowl.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on June 04, 2012, 10:10:58 AM
I think this case is a wake up call.  If the laws and presumption of innocence of GZ will be ignored and twisted as they have been in the case, what waits for the rest of us?   This is setting a president for future cases that is beyond scary, imo.  Our right to a fair trial are whirling down a porcelain bowl.

ITA.  However,this case is just the latest in along string of cases that have been tried in the media.  (Granted that the family and MSM deliberately manipulated the "story" in TM/GZ case.)

Richard Jewell - falsely accused Olympic Park bomber

Tried in the media -OJ and Casey Anthony

I can name numerous cases in my own community.

It seems that the lightening quick dissemination of information and opinions via the internet and TV, along with the public's demand to know and have records released has led to this maelstrom.  It also could besaid that we ourselves are just as guilty as we search for every morsel of information (even though we resource & reference our findings) and then discuss it here.

I don't mean to open Pandora's box here, just looking at it from the POV as what is my role in all of this.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cecilita on June 04, 2012, 10:19:35 AM
I think this case is a wake up call.  If the laws and presumption of innocence of GZ will be ignored and twisted as they have been in the case, what waits for the rest of us?   This is setting a president for future cases that is beyond scary, imo.  Our right to a fair trial are whirling down a porcelain bowl.

ITA.  However,this case is just the latest in along string of cases that have been tried in the media.  (Granted that the family and MSM deliberately manipulated the "story" in TM/GZ case.)

Richard Jewell - falsely accused Olympic Park bomber

Tried in the media -OJ and Casey Anthony

I can name numerous cases in my own community.

It seems that the lightening quick dissemination of information and opinions via the internet and TV, along with the public's demand to know and have records released has led to this maelstrom.  It also could besaid that we ourselves are just as guilty as we search for every morsel of information (even though we resource & reference our findings) and then discuss it here.

I don't mean to open Pandora's box here, just looking at it from the POV as what is my role in all of this.
well probably GZ will receive 1 year probation  for lying like slore casey... ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 04, 2012, 12:17:46 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2012/06/04/exp-point-crump-zimmerman-bond.cnn?iref=allsearch
Crump:  If Trayvon lied he'd be in jail.
Added On June 4, 2012
Trayvon Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump responds to murder suspect George Zimmerman's bond being revoked.

SSDD from Crump.......


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 04, 2012, 12:31:06 PM
"Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57446205/george-zimmerman-back-in-fla-jail/
Edit to add date of article publication.  MB  June 3, 2012


This is what I don't understand, the prosecution, judge knew of this account at the bond hearing. Why didn't the judge require Shellie Zimmerman to check into then disclose $ in the account? I don't see that she lied,...she didn't try to hide the account.


This is interesting.......the prosecutor DID NOT read an accurate transcript to the judge to 'prove' she lied. Shelly offered to call her brother in law to give the judge the total accurate amount, yet strangely this was not in the transcript he read. Looks like the prosecutor lied to the judge!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpzBX9Q56Ws&noredirect=1

Granted I have already forgotten what was in the transcript offered by the prosecution, but will go back and look when I get in from the beach.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on June 04, 2012, 12:57:18 PM
Videos at link

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57446374/trayvon-martin-case-george-zimmerman-quiet-and-cooperative-back-in-fla-jail/

June 4, 2012 3:37 AM 
Trayvon Martin case: George Zimmerman "quiet and cooperative" back in Fla. jail
Last Updated 9:27 a.m. ET

 ::snipping2::
The judge said Friday he would schedule a hearing after Zimmerman was back in custody so he could explain himself.

On "CBS This Morning" O'Mara told Charlie Rose that he believes the Zimmermans had made a mistake.

"I think it was out of fear, and maybe some frustration with having their lives turned completely upside-down and not having a good level of trust with anyone that they were dealing with. But I think they realize it was a mistake. They look forward to the opportunity to clearing that up with Judge Lester," O'Mara said.

O'Mara said the Zimmerman family must apologize for not being straightforward with the judge about the funds raised online for George Zimmerman's defense.

He denied that there was tension between himself and his client, but admitted Monday that "certainly there was some frustration with realizing that what was, I truly believe, an oversight, or at least a mistake that they made, has now truly come to bear on Mr. Zimmerman directly with his incarceration."
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 04, 2012, 01:03:22 PM
Videos at link

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57446374/trayvon-martin-case-george-zimmerman-quiet-and-cooperative-back-in-fla-jail/

June 4, 2012 3:37 AM 
Trayvon Martin case: George Zimmerman "quiet and cooperative" back in Fla. jail
Last Updated 9:27 a.m. ET

 ::snipping2::
The judge said Friday he would schedule a hearing after Zimmerman was back in custody so he could explain himself.

On "CBS This Morning" O'Mara told Charlie Rose that he believes the Zimmermans had made a mistake.

"I think it was out of fear, and maybe some frustration with having their lives turned completely upside-down and not having a good level of trust with anyone that they were dealing with. But I think they realize it was a mistake. They look forward to the opportunity to clearing that up with Judge Lester," O'Mara said.

O'Mara said the Zimmerman family must apologize for not being straightforward with the judge about the funds raised online for George Zimmerman's defense.

He denied that there was tension between himself and his client, but admitted Monday that "certainly there was some frustration with realizing that what was, I truly believe, an oversight, or at least a mistake that they made, has now truly come to bear on Mr. Zimmerman directly with his incarceration."
 ::snipping2::



I don't get why they lied.  His own father is a judge and mom a court clerk and it just boggles my mind that he wasn't aware that his phone convo's from jail would be recorded.  Oh well. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 04, 2012, 01:09:03 PM
"Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57446205/george-zimmerman-back-in-fla-jail/
Edit to add date of article publication.  MB  June 3, 2012


This is what I don't understand, the prosecution, judge knew of this account at the bond hearing. Why didn't the judge require Shellie Zimmerman to check into then disclose $ in the account? I don't see that she lied,...she didn't try to hide the account.


This is interesting.......the prosecutor DID NOT read an accurate transcript to the judge to 'prove' she lied. Shelly offered to call her brother in law to give the judge the total accurate amount, yet strangely this was not in the transcript he read. Looks like the prosecutor lied to the judge!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpzBX9Q56Ws&noredirect=1

Granted I have already forgotten what was in the transcript offered by the prosecution, but will go back and look when I get in from the beach.


Ok, I did go find the info/document the prosecution offered to in the bond revocation doc....they (the prosecution did LEAVE out the part from the 4/20 bond hearing where SZ offers the info about her BIL taking care of the a/c and even stated he could be reached by phone.........so, if this is such a huge issue why didn't they do that? And why leave that portion out during this last hearing? Did this dude work for NBC at one time  ::MonkeyTongue::

Here is the link to the motion they prosecution filed:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/121850210/Zimmerman-Motion-to-Revoke-Bond

or if it's easier you can find it here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/george-zimmermans-bond-re_n_1563304.html?1338577255&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D166256


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 04, 2012, 01:10:22 PM
"Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57446205/george-zimmerman-back-in-fla-jail/
Edit to add date of article publication.  MB  June 3, 2012


This is what I don't understand, the prosecution, judge knew of this account at the bond hearing. Why didn't the judge require Shellie Zimmerman to check into then disclose $ in the account? I don't see that she lied,...she didn't try to hide the account.


This is interesting.......the prosecutor DID NOT read an accurate transcript to the judge to 'prove' she lied. Shelly offered to call her brother in law to give the judge the total accurate amount, yet strangely this was not in the transcript he read. Looks like the prosecutor lied to the judge!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpzBX9Q56Ws&noredirect=1

Granted I have already forgotten what was in the transcript offered by the prosecution, but will go back and look when I get in from the beach.


If you read the transcripts that Corey's office gave to the judge compared to the actual transcripts of the page there are 4 very important lines missing why?  After she was asked if she knew a total amount she explains that the brother is in control of the account currently, she then begins to explain that she is willing to call him and get the proper information.  I do not get why this was left out of the transcripts given to the judge.  They wanted a total amount number, not for a second do I believe Shelly purposely meant to mislead the court, especially offering right at that moment to get a exact figure for the judge by calling the brother who was monitoring the account."


Quote from comment on this page
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/04/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html

I do recall SZ's statement from the bond hearing they are missing from the transcript, at least, the transcript I read. Initially expected that to be corrected, it was not.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2012, 01:13:45 PM
Let's hope GZ's atty can bring those missing lines to light.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 04, 2012, 01:16:20 PM
"Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57446205/george-zimmerman-back-in-fla-jail/
Edit to add date of article publication.  MB  June 3, 2012


This is what I don't understand, the prosecution, judge knew of this account at the bond hearing. Why didn't the judge require Shellie Zimmerman to check into then disclose $ in the account? I don't see that she lied,...she didn't try to hide the account.


This is interesting.......the prosecutor DID NOT read an accurate transcript to the judge to 'prove' she lied. Shelly offered to call her brother in law to give the judge the total accurate amount, yet strangely this was not in the transcript he read. Looks like the prosecutor lied to the judge!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpzBX9Q56Ws&noredirect=1

Granted I have already forgotten what was in the transcript offered by the prosecution, but will go back and look when I get in from the beach.


If you read the transcripts that Corey's office gave to the judge compared to the actual transcripts of the page there are 4 very important lines missing why?  After she was asked if she knew a total amount she explains that the brother is in control of the account currently, she then begins to explain that she is willing to call him and get the proper information.  I do not get why this was left out of the transcripts given to the judge.  They wanted a total amount number, not for a second do I believe Shelly purposely meant to mislead the court, especially offering right at that moment to get a exact figure for the judge by calling the brother who was monitoring the account."


Quote from comment on this page
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/04/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html

I do recall SZ's statement from the bond hearing they are missing from the transcript, at least, the transcript I read. Initially expected that to be corrected, it was not.

I went back and found it on YT, it shows the transcripts where she mentioned the BIL and how they could more than likely get in touch with him then (during the hearing).


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: islandmonkey on June 04, 2012, 01:18:53 PM
Let's hope GZ's atty can bring those missing lines to light.

I agree but who knows in this case......ITA with everyone that he can't get a fair trial and again just from what we know now, I couldn't vote guilty. If Trayvon was on top of him beating him - I see a self defense argument, not a SYG defense but self defense would be my vote so not guilty (again that is from what we know now, and there could be something else out there I have no clue about).


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on June 04, 2012, 01:19:42 PM
Video at link

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-donations-spike-return-jail/story?id=16490782

George Zimmerman's Donations Spike on His Return to Jail
MIAMI June 4, 2012

Donations to the legal defense fund of George Zimmerman have surged since the accused killer of Miami teenager Trayvon Martin has been ordered back to jail, his lawyer told ABC News today.
 
Attorney Mark O'Mara said Zimmerman's online defense fund has been receiving about $1,000 a day in donations, but the pace picked up after a judge required Zimmerman to return to jail.
 
Zimmerman, 28, woke up today in a 9-foot by 7-foot isolation cell in the Seminole County jail today after surrendering Sunday. He was in shackles and wearing a bullet-proof vest after being taken into custody Sunday.
 
A judge ordered Zimmerman back into custody Friday after prosecutors presented jailhouse tapes of Zimmerman talking to his wife Shelly and allegedly discussing how much money was in his online defense fund. His wife told the court that they had no money to post for bail.
 
O'Mara said that he will seek a new bond hearing and that the couple intends to apologize to the judge.
 
"It's not again like they were trying to hide the money or leave with the money. They just had it... and felt like they needed to secure themselves," the lawyer said.
 
Zimmerman has about $193,000 in his defense fund, O'Mara said, and that about $20,000 has been spent on living expenses, hotels and security. Zimmerman has been in hiding because of death threats.
 
The amount of the money being donated has spiked since Friday when the judge ordered Zimmerman back to jail, O'Mara said.
 
When Zimmerman surrendered Sunday, his hair was longer and his face fleshier than when he was charged on April 11 with second degree murder in the death of the unarmed teenager.
 
His lawyer said that Zimmerman dreaded going back to jail. "He didn't like it when he was there … He's frustrated that he had to prove his own innocence."
  ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 04, 2012, 01:26:54 PM
"Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57446205/george-zimmerman-back-in-fla-jail/
Edit to add date of article publication.  MB  June 3, 2012


This is what I don't understand, the prosecution, judge knew of this account at the bond hearing. Why didn't the judge require Shellie Zimmerman to check into then disclose $ in the account? I don't see that she lied,...she didn't try to hide the account.


This is interesting.......the prosecutor DID NOT read an accurate transcript to the judge to 'prove' she lied. Shelly offered to call her brother in law to give the judge the total accurate amount, yet strangely this was not in the transcript he read. Looks like the prosecutor lied to the judge!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpzBX9Q56Ws&noredirect=1

Granted I have already forgotten what was in the transcript offered by the prosecution, but will go back and look when I get in from the beach.


If you read the transcripts that Corey's office gave to the judge compared to the actual transcripts of the page there are 4 very important lines missing why?  After she was asked if she knew a total amount she explains that the brother is in control of the account currently, she then begins to explain that she is willing to call him and get the proper information.  I do not get why this was left out of the transcripts given to the judge.  They wanted a total amount number, not for a second do I believe Shelly purposely meant to mislead the court, especially offering right at that moment to get a exact figure for the judge by calling the brother who was monitoring the account."


Quote from comment on this page
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/04/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html

I do recall SZ's statement from the bond hearing they are missing from the transcript, at least, the transcript I read. Initially expected that to be corrected, it was not.

I went back and found it on YT, it shows the transcripts where she mentioned the BIL and how they could more than likely get in touch with him then (during the hearing).

Thanks Island...am going to have to figure out how to shorten these quote stacks!!  ::MonkeyEek::
This has bothered me from the initial bond hearing, wondered why no one asked about $s in the account.
And at that hearing Zs attorney mentioned something to the effect he hadn't spoken with Z prior to....shouldn't he have asked for a postponement in order to get all the info needed? If he had done that Z wouldn't be in the mess he is now??
And...what's with the prosecution lying by omission in the recent hearing?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 04, 2012, 01:45:18 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57446435/zimmerman-atty-family-made-a-mistake-with-defense-funds/
Zimmerman atty: Family "made a mistake" with defense funds
June 4, 2012

(CBS News) George Zimmerman's attorney said the Zimmerman family must apologize for not being straightforward with the judge about the funds raised online for George Zimmerman's defense - a situation which led the judge to revoke the neighborhood watch volunteer's bond and order him back to jail.

Last Friday Judge Kenneth Lester revoked Zimmerman's bond. The judge believed the man charged in the Trayvon Martin shooting, and his wife, had misled him by asking for a low bond - never mentioning their online defense fund had raised $135,000.

"He can't sit back and obtain the benefit of a lower bond or circumstances based upon those material falsehoods," Lester said.

On Sunday afternoon Zimmerman was escorted in handcuffs back into Seminole County's jail in Sanford. Described as "quiet and cooperative," he was booked and processed, and held on a no-bond basis, reports Mark Strassmann.

'It's a credibility question with Mr. Zimmerman," said Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara. "and now that credibility has been attacked or tarnished. And now he's going to have to rehabilitate it. And that's up to him."
 ::snipping2::
O'Mara denied that there was tension between himself and his client, but admitted Monday on "CBS This Morning" that "certainly there was some frustration with realizing that what was, I truly believe, an oversight, or at least a mistake that they made, has now truly come to bear on Mr. Zimmerman directly with his incarceration."

He told Charlie Rose that he believes the Zimmermans had made a mistake.

"I think it was out of fear, and maybe some frustration with having their lives turned completely upside-down and not having a good level of trust with anyone that they were dealing with. But I think they realize it was a mistake. They look forward to the opportunity to clearing that up with Judge Lester," O'Mara said.
When asked to explain further the Zimmermans' reasoning, O'Mara replied, "I truly want that explanation to go directly to the person who deserves it, Judge Lester. But not to sound coy, my understanding is that the family had been put upon with things - thrown out of their house, their jobs, schools, other family members in hiding. For whatever reason they felt the need to protect some of that money for a very uncertain future.

"I think now they realize that they should have simply trusted Judge Lester and the process to work with them fairly, even if they had not been treated fairly in the past. And I think they'll clear that up with Judge Lester.

"I think the Zimmerman family needs to apologize to the court for having not given him full information," O'Mara added. "I'm going to ask the court to rely on the fact that Mr. Zimmerman has, but for this event, treated the court fairly, treated the system fairly, he surrendered himself now twice, he's of course voluntarily given the police department all of the statements that they've wanted, he's involved in whatever testing the state has wanted or the defense has wanted. I think he's doing everything he should do.

"I think they were just acting out of fear and frustration, but they don't have that luxury," he said.

Rose asked O'Mara if he believed the judge had done the right thing by ordering Zimmerman back into jail.

"Judge Lester gave us all a very strong signal that he and he alone will run the courtroom and that everyone is going to tell the truth," O'Mara said. "I'm certain that not only the Zimmerman family but all other witnesses who come before Judge Lester had better tell the truth and nothing but the truth if they're going to be treated fairly."

The judge also ordered the release of state evidence that had been kept from the public because of sensitivity concerns.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on June 04, 2012, 01:53:53 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57446435/zimmerman-atty-family-made-a-mistake-with-defense-funds/
Zimmerman atty: Family "made a mistake" with defense funds
June 4, 2012



The judge also ordered the release of state evidence that had been kept from the public because of sensitivity concerns.
 ::snipping2::

This is big news!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 04, 2012, 02:42:26 PM
George Zimmerman: a strong signal, a ‘pretty weird’ turn
June, 4 2012 1:18 PM


For tabloid headline writers, he has become “Zim.”
 
“Bail nixed, Zim in solitary,” the New York Daily News says in Monday’s edition.
 
The return of George Zimmerman to Seminole County Jail was a top story Sunday afternoon. He is charged with second-degree murder in the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
 
Judge Kenneth Lester on Friday revoked Zimmerman’s bond because Zimmerman and his wife hadn’t revealed $135,000 in donations they received from the public.
 
Zimmerman attorney Mark O’Mara plans to file “a pretty straightforward motion” for a new bond hearing. Zimmerman’s team hopes for an audience with the judge to “further explain away why what happened seems to have happened.”   
 
In an interview on “CBS This Morning,” O’Mara told Charlie Rose: “Judge Lester gave us all a very strong signal that he and he alone will run the courtroom and that everyone is going to tell the truth. So I’m certain that not only the Zimmerman family but all other witnesses that come before Judge Lester had better tell the truth and nothing but the truth if they’re going to be treated fairly.”
 
WKMG-Channel 6 anchor Matt Austin said, “It’s pretty rare for a defense attorney to admit a mistake, and then almost suggest that his client apologize at least this early. It’s pretty weird.”
 
WKMG’s Erik von Ancken agreed: “A lot of things, as you know, in this case have been weird. Typically a defense attorney doesn’t stick his client on the stand to testify during that first bond hearing.”  ::snipping2:: 

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2012/06/george-zimmerman-a-strong-signal-a-pretty-weird-turn.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 04, 2012, 04:26:06 PM
George Zimmerman attorney seeks new bond hearing; donations spike
Attorney Mark O'Mara says his client was confused and fearful in misleading the court about his finances.
 Sarah WolfeJune 4, 2012 15:48

George Zimmerman's attorney filed a motion for a new bond hearing Monday, less than one day after the Trayvon Martin shooting suspect landed back in jail because his $150,000 bond was revoked.  ::snipping2:: 

A judge revoked his bond and ordered him back into custody on Friday after concluding Zimmerman and his wife deceived the court in April when Zimmerman's wife testified that they had limited funds.
 
The judge said he would schedule a hearing after Zimmerman was back in custody so he could explain himself, USA Today reported.
 
In a statement issued Monday, attorney Mark O'Mara said Zimmerman was confused and fearful when he allowed his wife to mislead court officials.   ::snipping2::

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/120604/george-zimmerman-attorney-seeks-new-bond-hearing


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 04, 2012, 04:48:19 PM
Details Regarding the Request for a Second Bond Hearing for George Zimmerman
[Zimmerman atty website] June 4 '12

 ::snipping2::  It must be noted that, when attempting to interpret George's actions regarding the funds, that he did disclose the existence of the funds five days after the bond hearing, during his first conversation with the defense about the fund. When the defense team learned of the funds, we disclosed this to the court and to the State Attorney's Office, and the money was transferred to the Legal Defense Fund which is now independently managed.  ::snipping2::

http://gzlegalcase.com/

Was he even paying attention at the bond hearing??


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: seahorse on June 04, 2012, 05:55:00 PM
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/6-1%20supplemental%20discovery.pdf

Hat Tip to JusticeQuest.net

They were discussing how many Jail House, phone calls, GZ made. 

One day he made 133 calls, please correct me, if I am mistaken.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 04, 2012, 07:32:34 PM
Liar! Zimmerman’s Lawyer Says Client Lied Because He Was Confused, Fearful
Jun 4, 2012


ORLANDO, Fla. — The former neighborhood watch leader charged with fatally shooting Trayvon Martin was confused and fearful when he and his wife misled court officials about their finances during an April bond hearing that allowed him to be released from jail, his attorney said Monday.
 
RELATED: Good News! Zimmerman Back In Slammer
 
Attorney Mark O’Mara wrote on a website run by George Zimmerman’s legal team that he will ask for another bond hearing. A day earlier, Zimmerman returned to jail because his $150,000 bond was revoked by a Florida judge after prosecutors claimed Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie, deceived the court during the bond hearing.
 
At the hearing, Shellie Zimmerman testified that the couple had limited funds for bail because she was a full-time student and her husband wasn’t working. Prosecutors say Zimmerman actually had raised $135,000 in donations from a website he created.  ::snipping2:: 

http://newsone.com/2018727/george-zimmerman-bond-hearing-2/






Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on June 04, 2012, 08:16:15 PM
If interested and for future reference, the link below contains documents from the Court; it can be found in the "Documents in this Case." http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12967.0


http://www.flcourts18.org/presspublic.html

Updated     Case Description

06-04-12     West Notice of Appearance (Notice of appearance as co-counsel)

06-04-12     Surrender of Passport

06-04-12     Motion to Revoke Bond 

06-04-12     In Session Motion to Intervene

06-04-12     Excerpt of Bond Hearing

06-04-12     Bench Warrant with Recall (Warrant--Court revoked bond)

06-04-12     Supplemental Discovery (Defendant's recorded jail calls)

06-04-12    Court Minutes and Amended Minutes   (Bond Hearing transcript--Shelly)
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 04, 2012, 08:34:51 PM
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/6-1%20supplemental%20discovery.pdf

Hat Tip to JusticeQuest.net

They were discussing how many Jail House, phone calls, GZ made. 

One day he made 133 calls, please correct me, if I am mistaken.

Hi seahorse, according to court records just posted those calls were made during one week.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2012, 08:50:59 PM
Attorney: Zimmerman failed to disclose funds out of fear
George Zimmerman returned to jail Sunday

 ::snipping2::

Zimmerman's attorneys also provided a breakdown of how the money in question has been spent. Of the original $204,000 raised by his PayPal account, they say $150,000 was moved to his legal defense fund, $30,000 was spent to help Zimmerman make the transition from private life to being in hiding, and $20,000 was kept liquid for his living expenses.

O’Mara plans to file a motion Monday for a bond hearing to get Zimmerman out of jail but admits it could be an uphill battle.

The bond hearing for Zimmerman may not come quickly, because sources said Lester will be out of town for the next couple of days.

Zimmerman certainly has some explaining to do, but his legal team has not decided if he will speak on his own behalf.

"My understanding was that Judge Lester seemed to indicate that he wanted testimony. That is a very complex decision to make about what effect that would have, not only at the hearing itself, but any future testimony, so we haven’t made that decision yet," O’Mara said.

Legal analyst Jeff Deen said Zimmerman's wife, Shellie Zimmerman, could face perjury charges along with her husband for lying about the money.



Read more: http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/Attorney-Zimmerman-failed-to-disclose-funds-out-of-fear/-/14266478/14483652/-/531c5ez/-/index.html#ixzz1wsJzO9G0
 



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2012, 12:29:13 AM
"Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57446205/george-zimmerman-back-in-fla-jail/
Edit to add date of article publication.  MB  June 3, 2012


This is what I don't understand, the prosecution, judge knew of this account at the bond hearing. Why didn't the judge require Shellie Zimmerman to check into then disclose $ in the account? I don't see that she lied,...she didn't try to hide the account.


This is interesting.......the prosecutor DID NOT read an accurate transcript to the judge to 'prove' she lied. Shelly offered to call her brother in law to give the judge the total accurate amount, yet strangely this was not in the transcript he read. Looks like the prosecutor lied to the judge!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpzBX9Q56Ws&noredirect=1

Granted I have already forgotten what was in the transcript offered by the prosecution, but will go back and look when I get in from the beach.


Ok, I did go find the info/document the prosecution offered to in the bond revocation doc....they (the prosecution did LEAVE out the part from the 4/20 bond hearing where SZ offers the info about her BIL taking care of the a/c and even stated he could be reached by phone.........so, if this is such a huge issue why didn't they do that? And why leave that portion out during this last hearing? Did this dude work for NBC at one time  ::MonkeyTongue::

Here is the link to the motion they prosecution filed:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/121850210/Zimmerman-Motion-to-Revoke-Bond

or if it's easier you can find it here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/george-zimmermans-bond-re_n_1563304.html?1338577255&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D166256

Island - TY for the info.  If it's not too much trouble, would you please post the YouTube link where you saw that Shelly's comments were "in" the first bond hearing?  I'd love to see that.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2012, 01:12:04 AM
Island, et al, nevermind.  I found the transcript:  top right corner, page 26, beginning with line 15

http://www.scribd.com/doc/95589259/Zimmerman-April-20-2012-Hearing-Transcript


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on June 05, 2012, 11:42:23 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/05/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html

Attorney: Zimmerman's bond request delayed
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 11:00 AM EDT, Tue June 5, 2012

(CNN) -- Although George Zimmerman's lawyers plan to file a motion asking for a new bond hearing for the murder suspect, the filing has been delayed, defense attorneys said Tuesday.
 
"Mr. Zimmerman's legal defense team has decided to delay filing a motion for bond," the defense team said Tuesday on its website, GZLegalcase.com. "A hearing will not be scheduled for a couple of weeks, and we will file a motion well in advance of the hearing."
 
The filing was delayed for several reasons, lead defense attorney Mark O'Mara told CNN, but he did not elaborate.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on June 05, 2012, 11:47:33 AM
http://gzlegalcase.com/

Update on Motion for Bond
on 05 June 2012.

Mr. Zimmerman's legal defense team has decided to delay filing a motion for bond. A hearing will not be scheduled for a couple of weeks, and we will file a the motion well in advance of the hearing.

Details Regarding the Request for a Second Bond Hearing for George Zimmerman
on 04 June 2012.

Zimmerman's defense team will file a motion today for a second bond hearing. While Mr. Zimmerman acknowledges that he allowed his financial situation to be misstated in court, the defense will emphasize that in all other regards, Mr. Zimmerman has been forthright and cooperative. He gave several voluntary statements to the police, re-enacted the events for them, gave voice exemplars for comparison and stayed in ongoing contact with the Department of Law Enforcement during his initial stage of being in hiding. He has twice surrendered himself to law enforcement when asked to do so, and this should demonstrate that Mr. Zimmerman is not a flight risk. He has also complied with all conditions of his release, including curfew, keeping in touch with his supervising officers, and maintaining his GPS monitoring, without violation.
 
The audio recordings of Mr. Zimmerman's phone conversations while in jail make it clear that Mr. Zimmerman knew a significant sum had been raised by his original fundraising website. We feel the failure to disclose these funds was caused by fear, mistrust, and confusion. The gravity of this mistake has been distinctly illustrated, and Mr. Zimmerman understands that this mistake has undermined his credibility, which he will have to work to repair.
 
At the point of the bond hearing, Mr. Zimmerman had been driven from his home and neighborhood, could not go to work, his wife could not go back to a finish her nursing degree, his mother and father had been driven from their home, and he had been thrust into the national spotlight as a racist murderer by factions acting with their own agendas. None of those allegations have been supported by the discovery released to date, yet the hatred continues.
 
It must be noted that, when attempting to interpret George's actions regarding the funds, that he did disclose the existence of the funds five days after the bond hearing, during his first conversation with the defense about the fund. When the defense team learned of the funds, we disclosed this to the court and to the State Attorney's Office, and the money was transferred to the Legal Defense Fund which is now independently managed.
 
Of the original $204,000 raised by Mr. Zimmerman's fund, approximately $150,000 was transferred to the Legal Defense Fund. $30,000 was used to make the complicated transition from private life in Sanford, FL to a life in hiding as a defendant in a high-profile court case. The balance of approximately $20,000 was kept liquid to provide living expenses for the first several months as the legal process unfolds.
 
Since the independently managed Legal Defense Fund was established on May 3, supporters have contributed more than $37,000. Of this amount, $2,000 has been designated for household expenses. Less than $300 has been designated for fund management and fees associated with maintaining the conditions of the bond. None of the funds have yet to be allocated to legal expenses. Neither Mr. Zimmerman or the defense team has direct access to the independently managed Legal Defense Fund.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 05, 2012, 02:33:11 PM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1206/04/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
George Zimmerman Back in Jail
Aired June 4, 2012 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... absolutely our responsibility to help. And so today, we can help those on the other side of the world, thanks to social media. Amazing.

And now, tonight, George Zimmerman`s own words helped send him back to jail. Are his recorded conversations with his wife proof that he lied to the court or did he make honest mistakes under the mounting pressure of a second-degree murder charge? You will hear all the details next.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman forced back to jail after he`s accused of lying to the judge about being broke. Was Zimmerman speaking in code with his wife in jailhouse tapes to hide $130,000? Is this like the Casey Anthony case, where what happens in lockup doesn`t stay in lockup? Trayvon Martin`s family`s attorney and Zimmerman`s good friend debate it next. And I`m taking your calls.

Plus, did cops catch the Butcher of Montreal? The self-described porn star accused of brutally killing and dismembering his former lover sparked an international manhunt. Tonight, I`ll talk to the "Playboy" Barbi twins, who say they`ve been ignored for years in their battle to catch this monster.

And health guru, Nancy Preston back in our adventure to slim, sharing her secrets on how to snack and still lose weight.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Zimmerman surrendered yesterday and is now back in jail.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is in custody now; he`s going to remain there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A judge revoked his bond Friday, saying he misled the court about his finances and an unsurrendered passport.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They also accused the couple of speaking in code somehow about the donations from a Web site that he set up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have the jailhouse calls the defendant made to his wife.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Doesn`t it tell you where his mindset is: "I can skate. I can just kind of convince them that I`m telling the truth"?

BENJAMIN CRUMP, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN`S FAMILY: His credibility is the most important thing in this entire case.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Zimmerman, who had been living in an undisclosed location due to threats on his life, is charged with second-degree murder.

MARK O`MARA, ATTORNEY FOR GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: He`s worried about himself. He`s worried about his wife. He`s worried about his family.

CRUMP: We`ve always believed if the shoe was on the other foot, that Trayvon Martin would have been put in jail on day one, and he would not have been given bail.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If this wasn`t relevant to bond, then why did they lie about it?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live from New York City after a brutal court battle.

Shooter George Zimmerman is back under lock and key tonight as we speak. Take a look at his new mug shot, the second in as many months. Did he sabotage his own case by talking in code with his wife back when he was in jail the first time?

Zimmerman shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin back in February. After a national uproar, he was finally arrested in April, but he was in jail for only 12 days. He walked out after paying just 15 grand in bail. Now that bond`s been revoked.

Look at this new video of Zimmerman as he turns himself in to police just yesterday. The reason he was sent back to the slammer? Prosecutors say he lied to the judge. As proof, they produced conversations between Zimmerman and his wife, Shelly, where they appear to be talking in code. They were recorded by the state when George was in jail the first time around.

George Zimmerman asked her: "In my account, do I have at least 100?"

His wife responds, "No."

"How close am I?" George asks.

"Eight dollars," says his wife. "Eight sixty."

George says, "Really?" And then asks, "So total everything, how much are we looking at?"

His wife responds, "Like 155."

Prosecutors contend when she said "155," she was talking in code and really meant $155,000, which would mean George knew he was rolling in money when he told the judge he was flat broke.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bottom line is, we believe, and he allege, that the defendant and his wife misled the court.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Today Zimmerman`s lawyer wrote, quote, "The failure to disclose these funds were caused by fear, mistrust and confusion. The gravity of this mistake has been illustrated, and Mr. Zimmerman understands he`s undermined his credibility, which he will work hard to repair."

What do you think? Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to Natalie Jackson, the attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family.

Natalie, George Zimmerman wants a new hearing. He wants to get back out of jail again. Some suspect he will argue, "Well, I really didn`t think the money was mine. I thought it was the defense team`s money, because it was raised for my defense." Will that explanation hold water, Natalie?

NATALIE JACKSON, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN`S FAMILY (via phone): I`ll tell you, Jane, George Zimmerman, he has a right to file this motion and to ask the judge, appeal to the judge and ask him for a new bond.

The judge in this case, you know, he`s going to -- he`s going to think about George Zimmerman`s credibility. Now, the credibility is just whether or not he`s a truthful person. It doesn`t really go to a bond.

So -- but this case is about the justice system and making sure that everyone gets a fair shake in this justice system. So if we think about it fairly, you know, George Zimmerman and his attorney, they have every right to file for a new bond. However, his credibility has been damaged.

And it`s not -- it`s not truthful or even -- it`s not an honest conversation, as we say that it`s excusable to lie to the court just because you`re scared and mistrustful of the justice system. If that were true, then everybody, you know, who`s ever been done a wrong, and they find themselves a criminal defendant should be able to lie to a justice -- to a judge, and that`s not the way our system works.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Frank Taaffe, you`ve been George Zimmerman`s neighbor and you are his defender. What do you make of this pretty, I would say, heavy-duty proof that they were talking in code and that, as prosecutors say, he lied to the judge about how much money he had?

FRANK TAAFFE, FORMER NEIGHBOR OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: Well, hello, Jane, and think you for having me back on your show.

To answer that question, I didn`t know that -- I heard that they were speaking in code. No, I -- George has never lied to me. And it`s a mistake. Mr. O`Mara clarified it for him. And we have to go according to what Mr. O`Mara is speaking for his client now.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let`s go at another jailhouse conversation between George Zimmerman and his wife, this one just four days before that absolutely crucial April hearing where George argued through his attorney that he was flat broke.

George: "If the bond is more than 15, pay the 15. If more than 15, pay 10 percent to the bondsman."

Wife: "You don`t want me to pay 100?"

George: "I don`t know."

Wife: "All right. Just think about it."

George: "I will."

Wife: "That`s what it`s for."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Daryl Parks, Martin family attorney, as well, out of Atlanta, how can they argue that they didn`t really think the money was theirs, because it was being raised for the defense when they are caught on tape discussing whether to use the money?

DARYL PARKS, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN`S FAMILY: I can`t think they can, Jane. I think that, given what we know and what happened in court there, will tell you the prosecutors clearly saw that knew they had the money and they had other intentions.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now listen, when I look at this, I always put my shrink hat on. Michelle Suskauer, you`re a criminal defense attorney and you`ve been known to defend George Zimmerman.

To me, this is part of his psychological dysfunction. We all know he was a cop wannabe. And some would say that he was playing cop when he was walking around toting a gun that night, wondering who belonged, who didn`t belong, as if that was his role which it wasn`t.

And now I think we`re getting a glimpse into his mentality with this speaking in code. It strikes me as juvenile. It strikes me like now the game he`s playing is spy master. And I think it reflects on his lark of maturity.

MICHELLE SUSKAUER, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It may reflect on that, but the court is -- the court obviously has expected a lot more and expected a lot of honesty.

But the court has to look at two things, Jane. The court has to look at whether or not Zimmerman is a flight risk and whether or not he is a danger to the community. And I think the court is probably going to address those two issues. And ultimately revisit whether or not he feels, because of that dishonesty, that George Zimmerman is a flight risk.

I think ultimately he is going to potentially set a much higher bond based on the change in financial circumstances and let him get out. Because he did, Jane -- he cooperated. He came and gave statements. And look, when the judge revoked his bond, he came back before the deadline.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonya Acker, attorney, you agree?

TONYA ACKER, ATTORNEY: No, I don`t, I think that there`s really a more disturbing narrative that comes out here. I don`t think that it`s really appropriate to give him credit for finally doing what the law requires.

The night that he killed Trayvon Martin, law enforcement officials told him to go home. He didn`t do that. He then went to court and was required under penalty of perjury, as was his wife, to be honest and truthful before the court. That is nothing -- there`s no exception in the law for lying to a judge because you`re afraid. There is no such thing.

And so he decided again to take the law into his own hands and come up with his own narrative of his finances. And whether or not he`s a flight risk really goes to what his resources are. And until we know what those resources are, you remember: there are a lot of people out there who are willing to give this guy some money, because they think it was heroic. So we`ve got to get to the bottom of that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Michelle.

SUSKAUER: You know, I -- this does not change the fact that this is someone who was -- who was tied to the community, who cooperated over and over again with law enforcement, who turned himself in when the court asked him to, who turned -- when law enforcement filed charges, and who turned himself in again.

So I think I agree. I think the court has to get to the bottom of what the finances are but then is going to set a higher bond and let him get out. Because he is entitled to a bond.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

O`MARA: The second passport, which they did not believe they still had, was found and turned over literally within a minute or an hour of him finding it. That came to me; I presented it to the court.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right so, this whole question of whether or not George Zimmerman is a flight risk, which he will obviously have to argue if they have another bond hearing that he is not. But they caught him on tape discussing a second passport with his wife.

George Zimmerman, "Do you know what? I think my passport is in that bag."

Wife: "I have one for you in the safety deposit box."

George Zimmerman: "OK, you hold on to that."

Wife: "For you."

So they`re going to have to figure out whether that conversation was an attempt to keep from the court the knowledge of a second passport or, as Mark O`Mara, Zimmerman`s attorney, Contends, "Oh, no, nothing to see here. He handed it in. "I accidentally held onto it for a while longer than I should have before handing it back to the court.

Let`s go to the phones. Hi, Christine.

CALLER: Yes, hi, Jane. I love your show.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you.

CALLER: You know, George Zimmerman has shown no, you know, compassion or truth for the law at all. From the beginning. If he had listened to the officers from the beginning and not gotten out of his car, this would never have happened.

I live in Florida where we have the law stand your ground. To me, that -- you know, he did not stand his ground. He went after this young man. To me his credibility is just shot. He lied. I believe everything that he said has been a lie. And now the money.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you make a very good point about credibility. I mean, Mark Nejame, criminal defense attorney, HLN legal analyst, Mark O`Mara, his attorney, wants another bond hearing. Well, Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family, one of them, he says, "We`re going to make sure that George Zimmerman and his wife are put on the stand and grilled." Couldn`t that be devastating for the defense?

MARK NEJAME, HLN LEGAL ANALYST: Absolutely. I am not in any way, shape or form convinced that having a second bond hearing serves Zimmerman well. Zimmerman already took the stand at his first bond hearing, which I (ph) didn`t agree with. And now to have another statement lined up could be devastating down the line.

And if the judge does give a bond, it`s going to be entirely within his discretion. You could end up losing that hearing very easily. The judge could easily conclude that storing $115,000 and not telling anybody about it, puts somebody at risk of flight.

So having a very good chance of losing the hearing or having a million-dollar bond or something along those lines granted. But then the cost being you get out for a few months, but you`ve got statements there that can be used forever more as you`re preparing for a trial of this magnitude. I`m not sure it`s not best just to sit in jail and wait it out and not put yourself at risk by not having those statements.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Tonya Acker, what`s interesting is that Mark O`Mara had said, shortly before this whole brouhaha over the bail being revoked, he said, "Well, you know what? We`ve waived speedy trial. This is going to take months. It`s not going to be until 2013 that this is probably going to go to trial."

Now if he`s stuck in jail, is he going to reevaluate that? Because now, his client is going to be possibly stuck in jail for all of those many months, maybe even years before we get to trial.

ACKER: That`s right, Jane, and I think that he may be stuck with that. And again, you know, remember: part of the reason that Zimmerman gave for this -- I`ll just be candid -- I`m sorry, I`ll be kind, this lack of candor to the court is that he was afraid that his life was in danger. You know, he`ll be very safe in jail. It`s very possible -- he`s in protective custody now.

Some might say that he`s safe never jail than he would be out on the streets. So if truly his concern is his safety, if that`s the reason that he lied to the court, then maybe he`ll be fine being in jail until he goes to trial.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Frank Taaffe, you`re his friend. Do you think he`s going to be cool with being in jail for however many months or years it takes?

TAAFFE: He`s not going to be stuck in jail. And I agree with Mark Nejame totally. I have a problem with this credibility issue. What I have a problem with is that Mr. Crump has been throwing this credibility issue out there. And I don`t know how many times he`s punched people in the nose with that one.

But I`ve got a real problem with Deedee (ph). Because Deedee (ph) gives the farm away. At 9 minutes and 40 seconds, with her testimony to the state attorney, she asked Trayvon to run. Trayvon says, "I`m not going to run."

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SYBRINA FULTON, MOTHER OF TRAYVON MARTIN: Our son is your son. And I want you to guys to stand up for justice and stand up for what`s right.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Because of the emotion and many other factors, many are comparing this case to Casey Anthony. And that case had a slew of jailhouse tapes which came out during the trial, like this one.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CASEY ANTHONY, ACQUITTED OF MURDER: Could someone -- come on!

CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY`S MOTHER: Casey, come on, sweetheart. Settle down, honey.

CASEY ANTHONY: Nobody`s letting me speak. You want me to talk, then...

CINDY ANTHONY: All right. I`ll listen.

CASEY ANTHONY: ... give me three seconds to say something. I`m not in control over any of this, because I don`t know what the hell`s going on.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Even Casey Anthony knew the tapes could be used against her. I mean, George Zimmerman was a cop wannabe. You`ve got to wonder how he could make such an amateur mistake to think he could talk in code in jail and nobody would catch him.

Even Casey Anthony didn`t make that mistake. She was very, very clever in telling her parents: "Don`t say this, don`t say that, don`t say anything."

Mark Nejame -- Frank Taaffe, George Zimmerman`s defender, or so both of you, said, "Oh, I agree entirely with Mark Nejame. George Zimmerman should be let out on bail," but you don`t agree with Frank Taaffe.

NEJAME: Yes, I was a little confused with that. I think that it behooves Mr. Zimmerman to stay in jail, rather than subject himself to cross-examination at the time of a bond hearing.

He`s already made one statement at his earlier bond hearing. He`s given several statements, apparently, to law enforcement. And he`s going to be literally in the fight of his life at the time of trial. I don`t see a benefit on a cost-benefit basis to letting him out of jail.

But...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Frank.

NEJAME: And if there is a bond, it`s going to be an outrageous, a billion dollars or so, I would imagine. So I don`t understand why he would want to get out of jail.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, I hear you Mark -- Frank.

TAAFFE: I agree in part with Mark. You ask me, should he get out of jail? Yes. But you know, once again Mark is sharing his legal expertise as to, you know, it could be quite devastating to George. And of course we`re looking out for his best interests. And of course, that`s why he has Mr. O`Mara as his legal expert defending him.

I just wanted to share that, even if it is a million dollars, you know, 10 percent of that is 100,000. And we know he has at least 100,000. So if Judge Lester does allow him another bond, and it is a million dollars, it satisfies both teams.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Tonya Acker, your response to that -- Tonya?

ACKER: I think that he clearly has 10 percent of a million dollars. I mean, that`s one of the things that he allegedly misrepresented to the court.

And just really quickly, Jane, I want to go back to -- I think it`s Frank`s point about how he gave the farm away, because Trayvon didn`t run. The last I heard, unarmed people who are abiding by the law in the United States of America don`t have to run from people who are pursuing them when the law enforcement officials have already told those pursuers to stand down.

So I think it`s really interesting in this case how we`ve sort of flipped notions of justice and liberty on their head. We really have.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

O`MARA: If deception was their intent, why did they disclose it to me the first day that it was discussed?

CRUMP: A lie is a lie and that`s what the court has to determine.

O`MARA: I don`t think they believed that they had free access to that money, and I think that was evident by the way they used it and didn`t use it.

CRUMP: His credibility is the main thing here, because it is only his version of the facts that say Trayvon Martin attacked him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight George Zimmerman is back behind bars. The prosecution said this guy lied. We`re going to show you some video of him turning himself in yesterday. This is video of him when he was at court being actually the first time we saw him in court. This is video of him turning himself in last night. You see he`s put on some weight there. His hands locked behind him.

The question is, will he get out on bail again? His attorney wants another bond hearing, where he can argue, "Oh, judge, it was all a big misunderstanding. He didn`t really lie. Let him out of jail." Trayvon Martin`s family says not so fast.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CRUMP: If Attorney O`Mara files the motion, then the stage is set for George Zimmerman and his wife to have to take the witness stand and attempt to explain what the state attorney was blatant lies to the court.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Recently, these photos of George Zimmerman, his apparently broken nose and his bloody head came out. A lot of people thought, wow, the defense was gaining speed and had the momentum.

But now, it is evident that George Zimmerman was speaking in code with his wife when he was in jail the last time. You`ve got to wonder if that could be a debacle for the defense, especially if they decide, "Yes, we will have another bond hearing" and Zimmerman is taken to the stand and grilled by prosecutors about whether or not he was lying.

Daryl Parks, Martin family attorney, do you think if there is another bond hearing, your side will get its way and George Zimmerman and his wife will have to take the stand?

PARKS: We feel very strongly that the only way they can explain what happened here is for the both of them to take the stand and explain the conduct that the prosecution has alleged against them.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, what about Frank Taaffe`s comment that well -- I assume he was talking about Trayvon Martin`s girlfriend who was on a cell phone talking to Trayvon shortly before he was gunned down by George Zimmerman, what about Frank Taaffe`s comment that "she gave away the farm" -- I`m not sure exactly what that means -- because she revealed allegedly, purportedly -- I don`t know, but this is what Frank`s claiming -- that Trayvon said "I`m not going to run."

PARKS: I think Mr. Taaffe has it totally wrong. It`s rather clear here that we have the phone records to corroborate what the young lady says and her statement to the prosecutors that clearly lays out what happened in the last few minutes of Trayvon`s life. So I don`t think she`s totally on point and will be a great witness for the prosecution in this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Frank, your response?

TAAFFE: Witness for the defense. She`s going to be a great witness for the defense. Because, you know, she lays down the smoking pipe, if that`s what you want to call it. Because it`s exactly 110 yards and I heard it and so did a lot of my other colleagues. They heard her say "Trayvon, why don`t you run." He says "I`m not going to do that." "Why?" "Because I`m next to my daddy`s house." I wish you would review that, Daryl.

He has no duty to run.

(CROSSTALK)

PARKS: No duty to run, whatsoever. He`s free to go wherever he wants to do and that`s what he was doing.

TAAFFE: Daryl he had no duty to run because he was already next to his dad`s house. If he had to go home, all he had to do was open the door. It`s 110 yards from his dad`s porch --

PARKS: Well, let`s remember something here.

TAAFFE: I`ve walked it. It`s 30 yards from where George parked to where the shooting took place and it`s 110 yards from that spot to the back of his house.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, wait a second. Hold on a second.

Are you trying to suggest that that`s proof that Trayvon Martin turned around and went after -- I`m trying to figure out what your point is?

TAAFFE: Absolutely. Unequivocally yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Daryl? Daryl?

PARKS: Jane, that makes no sense. Seriously the evidence --

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hold on. One at a time -- one at a time. It`s Daryl`s turn.

PARKS: The evidence is rather clear. I mean it`s clear as it can be.

TAAFFE: That evidence supports the --

PARKS: No sir, I`m sorry. It`s rather clear George gets out of the car, he`s talking on there with the dispatcher. He`s walking behind Trayvon. Trayvon`s on the phone. The phone record clearly lays it out. They get between the buildings. Various witnesses see them.

So Taaffe, I`m sorry, I`m so sorry.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Michelle Suskauer, you`re a criminal defense attorney out of Palm Beach, Florida. You see the intensity of this case and now we have the real George Zimmerman.com. That raised $135,000 in donations within a few weeks of going up. That site`s been taken down.

Now there`s a new site where his defense team is actually putting out news releases while at the same time asking for donations. And I was studying this Web site today and some reports claim a ton of money is starting to pour in again. A, could George Zimmerman become some sort of millionaire and B, is it appropriate for a defense team in a criminal case to be issuing news releases and raising money on the same site, Michelle?

MICHELLE SUSKAUER, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Again, there`s spin that`s going out on both sides, on all sides. There`s no gag order, so -- and there`s been so much PR damage that was done to George Zimmerman from the get-go, from the very beginning, from the top all the way down.

So I don`t think that there`s anything wrong with that unless or until the judge puts a stop to it and there is says no more. You know, Jane, there`s free speech in this country.

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Natalie, I want to get your response; Natalie Jackson, Martin family attorney.

NATALIE JACKSON, MARTIN FAMILY ATTORNEY: We were talking about this - - we should be talking about the law. I want to say that one thing that I don`t think is made clear, is that George Zimmerman he has a non-bondable offense. So when we`re talking about the bond -- he`s not entitled to a bond like other offenses.

And if we`re talking about raising funds or whatever, that`s perfectly up to the people who want to donate to George Zimmerman. However we have to be responsible in the messages that we are sending.

You know, the messages that are coming out, that are coming from people who are talking about this, including everyone in this case is that you`re justified in pursuing and killing a teenager who`s doing nothing wrong because he scared you. And if you shoot him, make sure to shoot and kill him so he can`t tell his story. And now it`s excusable to lie to a court if you`re scared and you`re mistrustful.

Those are not the things we should be talking about when we talk about our legal system and what is happening in our legal system.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we have to leave it right there.

Thank you, fantastic panel.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: seahorse on June 05, 2012, 03:16:06 PM
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/6-1%20supplemental%20discovery.pdf

Hat Tip to JusticeQuest.net

They were discussing how many Jail House, phone calls, GZ made. 

One day he made 133 calls, please correct me, if I am mistaken.

Hi seahorse, according to court records just posted those calls were made during one week.

Toler ::HelloKitty::

Thank-you for the correction.  I need to borrow CW'S, glasses.  :)


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 05, 2012, 04:53:15 PM
Orlando police release Zimmerman lawyer call to report death threat

By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
 
12:22 p.m. EDT, June 5, 2012
In a call released by police on Tuesday, George Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara calmly describes a profanity laced death threat made to his Orlando office last month.

"We've just gotten a threatening phone call," O'Mara said. He told an Orlando police dispatcher that the caller cursed at him and told him "you're gonna die... and things like that."

"There's just been a little bit of an uptick in some of the veiled threats on the internet and this one got right to us," he says, explaining the call came from a blocked number.

O'Mara tells the dispatcher Orlando Police Chief Paul Rooney had said the lawyer could call him directly to report any threats, but "I don't really want to bother him."  ::snipping2::

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-george-zimmerman-omara-death-threat-20120605,0,7891461.story

Seahorse, when you're done with CW's glasses...pass 'em on to me please!! xx


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 05, 2012, 06:26:07 PM
Why does the media and talking heads keep saying Zimmerman and his wife had $135,000?  They raised $204,000 and, according to O'Mara, they used $40-50,000.  That leaves $155,000.  Where is this $20,000 discrepancy?

His wife even states (in code while on the phone with a jailed Zimmerman) 155, NOT 135.  Speaking in code is a clear indication of intentional misleading.  Were there a question of whether or not the money was their's they would have sought advice from O'Mara on the matter and not lied to the judge about it.  They were trying to hoard the money and keep it under wraps.  They not only lied about the money but also the passport.  I believe it was in the back of their minds to skip town but they realized how stupid that would be and they would not get away with it so eventually they decided to inform O'Mara of the truth.

I struggle to understand how so many people are defending this guy.  He has a history of violence, he's been dishonest with the court, he pursued a teenage boy while armed and in spite of being told not, then he murdered him.  Then he had his judicial daddy come to the police station and talk his way out of an investigation. 

Everyone is so focused on Trayvon that they're giving one pass after another for his murderer.  I can't shake this feeling of disbelief in all that has gone on with this case. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 05, 2012, 06:29:10 PM
One other thing... just because Zimmerman has death threats against him doesn't make him any less guilty. 

LE should set an example and arrest anyone who has issued threats but we all need to keep in mind that these threats are a seperate issue from the murder of Trayvon.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 05, 2012, 07:11:30 PM
Zimmerman Prosecutor Also Deceived Court
Tuesday, 05 Jun 2012 05:54 PM

By Alan Dershowitz

Alan M. Dershowitz’s Perspective: State Attorney Angela Corey, the prosecutor in the George Zimmerman case, recently called the Dean of Harvard Law School to complain about my criticism of some of her actions.

She was transferred to the Office of Communications and proceeded to engage in a 40-minute rant, during which she threatened to sue Harvard Law School, to try to get me disciplined by the Bar Association and to file charges against me for libel and slander.

She said that because I work for Harvard and am identified as a professor she had the right to sue Harvard.

When the communications official explained to her that I have a right to express my opinion as “a matter of academic freedom,” and that Harvard has no control over what I say, she did not seem to understand.

She persisted in her nonstop whining, claiming that she is prohibited from responding to my attacks by the rules of professional responsibility — without mentioning that she has repeatedly held her own press conferences and made public statements throughout her career.

Her beef was that I criticized her for filing a misleading affidavit that willfully omitted all information about the injuries Zimmerman had sustained during the “struggle” it described. She denied that she had any obligation to include in the affidavit truthful material that was favorable to the defense.

She insisted that she is entitled to submit what, in effect, were half truths in an affidavit of probable cause, so long as she subsequently provides the defense with exculpatory evidence.

She should go back to law school, where she will learn that it is never appropriate to submit an affidavit that contains a half truth, because a half truth is regarded by the law as a lie, and anyone who submits an affidavit swears to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Before she submitted the probable cause affidavit, Corey was fully aware that Zimmerman had sustained serious injuries to the front and back of his head. The affidavit said that her investigators “reviewed” reports, statements and “photographs” that purportedly “detail[ed] the following.”

It then went on to describe “the struggle,” but it deliberately omitted all references to Zimmerman’s injuries which were clearly visible in the photographs she and her investigators reviewed.

That is Hamlet without the Prince!

The judge deciding whether there is probable cause to charge the defendant with second degree murder should not have been kept in the dark about physical evidence that is so critical to determining whether a homicide occurred, and if so, a homicide of what degree. By omitting this crucial evidence, Corey deliberately misled the court.

Corey seems to believe that our criminal justice system is like a poker game in which the prosecution is entitled to show its cards only after the judge has decided to charge the defendant with second degree murder.

That’s not the way the system is supposed to work and that’s not the way prosecutors are supposed to act. That a prosecutor would hide behind the claim that she did not have an obligation to tell the whole truth until after the judge ruled on probable cause displays a kind of gamesmanship in which prosecutors should not engage.

The prisons, both in Florida and throughout the United States, are filled with felons who submitted sworn statements that contained misleading half truths. Corey herself has probably prosecuted such cases.

Ironically, Corey has now succeeded in putting Zimmerman back in prison for a comparably misleading omission in his testimony. His failure to disclose money received from a PayPal account requesting donations for his legal defense made his testimony misleadingly incomplete.

In her motion to revoke his bail, Corey argued that Zimmerman “intentionally deceived the court” by making “false representations.” The same can be said about prosecutor Corey. She too misled and deceived the court by submitting an affidavit that relied on a review of photographs and other reports that showed injuries to Zimmerman, without disclosing the existence of these highly relevant injuries.

Even if Angela Corey’s actions were debatable, which I believe they were not, I certainly have the right, as a professor who has taught and practiced criminal law nearly 50 years, to express a contrary view. The idea that a prosecutor would threaten to sue someone who disagrees with her for libel and slander, to sue the university for which he works, and to try to get him disbarred, is the epitome of unprofessionalism.   ::snipping2:: 


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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 05, 2012, 07:25:31 PM
Local attorneys weigh in on Zimmerman case
Published: Tuesday, June 05, 2012

During a hearing last week, the Florida judge in the Zimmerman case said he believed Zimmerman and his wife lied to the court in April about their finances to obtain a lower bond.

Zimmerman’s $150,000 bond was revoked. He surrendered to authorities Sunday and is now in jail.

Jeffrey Swartz, an attorney and former Miami-Dade County judge who will teach courses this fall at Cooley Law School’s campus in Florida, is closely following the Zimmerman case. He said in Florida, people who are not entitled to bond as a matter of right have what’s known as an Arthur hearing to determine whether bond should be set. One part of the test is: Is the proof evident and the presumption great of the defendant’s guilt of the charges? The court also has the discretion to grant a bond. 

  ::snipping2::  Prosecutors said Zimmerman and his wife told the judge that they had limited money, even though he had raised about $135,000 through a website set up for his legal defense. They suggested more has been collected since and then deposited in a bank account.

According to the Associated Press, Zimmerman’s defense attorney, Mark O’Mara, said his client was confused and fearful when he and his wife misled court officials about their finances during the April bond hearing that allowed him to be released from jail

“The state alleged he failed to disclose his defense fund,” Swartz said. “My understanding is that (the defense’s) explanation simply is this was not Mr. Zimmerman’s money to spend, that this was a defense fund to pay for legal counsel and his costs for defending himself, and therefore he did not consider it an asset that he had to disclose.”   

Swartz said there were no substantial changes in circumstances from Zimmerman’s first bond hearing to the most recent hearing that would have necessitated his bond being revoked. He said Zimmerman was no more of a flight risk than he was at the earlier hearing, and that nothing indicated that the bond amount was insufficient to secure his presence in court.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2012/06/05/news/local_news/doc4fce8b9f78079346919466.txt?viewmode=3


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: sunshine12 on June 05, 2012, 07:54:19 PM
One other thing... just because Zimmerman has death threats against him doesn't make him any less guilty

LE should set an example and arrest anyone who has issued threats but we all need to keep in mind that these threats are a seperate issue from the murder of Trayvon.

BBM.. last time i checked, he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet.  just because others don't agree with your opinion on this case doesn't mean we are all in the wrong, which is how your previous post before this one came across to be honest.  everyone is entitled to their own opinion.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 05, 2012, 07:56:13 PM
Zimmerman Prosecutor Also Deceived Court
Tuesday, 05 Jun 2012 05:54 PM

By Alan Dershowitz

Alan M. Dershowitz’s Perspective: State Attorney Angela Corey, the prosecutor in the George Zimmerman case, recently called the Dean of Harvard Law School to complain about my criticism of some of her actions.

She was transferred to the Office of Communications and proceeded to engage in a 40-minute rant, during which she threatened to sue Harvard Law School, to try to get me disciplined by the Bar Association and to file charges against me for libel and slander.

She said that because I work for Harvard and am identified as a professor she had the right to sue Harvard.

When the communications official explained to her that I have a right to express my opinion as “a matter of academic freedom,” and that Harvard has no control over what I say, she did not seem to understand.

She persisted in her nonstop whining, claiming that she is prohibited from responding to my attacks by the rules of professional responsibility — without mentioning that she has repeatedly held her own press conferences and made public statements throughout her career. Her beef was that I criticized her for filing a misleading affidavit that willfully omitted all information about the injuries Zimmerman had sustained during the “struggle” it described. She denied that she had any obligation to include in the affidavit truthful material that was favorable to the defense.

She insisted that she is entitled to submit what, in effect, were half truths in an affidavit of probable cause, so long as she subsequently provides the defense with exculpatory evidence.

She should go back to law school, where she will learn that it is never appropriate to submit an affidavit that contains a half truth, because a half truth is regarded by the law as a lie, and anyone who submits an affidavit swears to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Before she submitted the probable cause affidavit, Corey was fully aware that Zimmerman had sustained serious injuries to the front and back of his head. The affidavit said that her investigators “reviewed” reports, statements and “photographs” that purportedly “detail[ed] the following.”

It then went on to describe “the struggle,” but it deliberately omitted all references to Zimmerman’s injuries which were clearly visible in the photographs she and her investigators reviewed.

That is Hamlet without the Prince!

The judge deciding whether there is probable cause to charge the defendant with second degree murder should not have been kept in the dark about physical evidence that is so critical to determining whether a homicide occurred, and if so, a homicide of what degree. By omitting this crucial evidence, Corey deliberately misled the court.

Corey seems to believe that our criminal justice system is like a poker game in which the prosecution is entitled to show its cards only after the judge has decided to charge the defendant with second degree murder.

That’s not the way the system is supposed to work and that’s not the way prosecutors are supposed to act. That a prosecutor would hide behind the claim that she did not have an obligation to tell the whole truth until after the judge ruled on probable cause displays a kind of gamesmanship in which prosecutors should not engage.

The prisons, both in Florida and throughout the United States, are filled with felons who submitted sworn statements that contained misleading half truths. Corey herself has probably prosecuted such cases.

Ironically, Corey has now succeeded in putting Zimmerman back in prison for a comparably misleading omission in his testimony. His failure to disclose money received from a PayPal account requesting donations for his legal defense made his testimony misleadingly incomplete.

In her motion to revoke his bail, Corey argued that Zimmerman “intentionally deceived the court” by making “false representations.” The same can be said about prosecutor Corey. She too misled and deceived the court by submitting an affidavit that relied on a review of photographs and other reports that showed injuries to Zimmerman, without disclosing the existence of these highly relevant injuries.

Even if Angela Corey’s actions were debatable, which I believe they were not, I certainly have the right, as a professor who has taught and practiced criminal law nearly 50 years, to express a contrary view. The idea that a prosecutor would threaten to sue someone who disagrees with her for libel and slander, to sue the university for which he works, and to try to get him disbarred, is the epitome of unprofessionalism.   ::snipping2:: 


Read more on Newsmax.com: Zimmerman Prosecutor Also Deceived Court
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Once again, thanks for the link, Toler.

I completely disagree with the professor.  Corey's affidavit outlined the facts of the case without offering all the details.  If there  are details the defense attorney deems important to is client's case then he has an opportunity to outline that for the court. 

This professor has been in the media and writing blogs smearing Corey's name all over the place knowing that in her professional capacity she is hindered from defending herself on a professional level.  The article above clearly shows his biased and slanted opinion on the matter.

He accuses her of whining and of not seeming to understand a conversation she had on the phone with someone else which he was not in attendance for.  Isn't this hearsay?  He got this information second hand, how does he know she was 'whining'?  How does he know she had 'lack of understanding'?  These seem to be intentional word choices to further smear Corey's name.

Angela Corey clearly outlined in her affidavit that a struggle took place.  That was factual.  How and/or why should she then go into every detail outlining every piece of evidence?  Affidavits are usually quite general and often not lengthy at all, with the lesser details to be given orally while in front of the judge or by the opposing attorney.  It is Zimmerman's attorney's responsibility to record for the judge any details which will protect his client.

Corey ends the affidavit with these words: "The facts mentioned in this Affidavit are not a complete recitation of all the pertinent facts and evidence in this case but only are presented for a determination of probable cause for second degree murder."

Every practicing attorney could be accused of what Dershowitz is accusing Corey of and it is unrealistic to expect a full book of evidence presented to the judge in an affidavit.

He states she shold go back to law school?  What, are we in second grade here? 

BTW, I googled 'corey's affidavit against zimmerman' and the enitire first two pages were links to Dershowitz's rants against Corey.  Someone has an agenda.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 05, 2012, 08:00:10 PM
Oh, and the part about her holding her own press conferences: these press conferences Dershowitz speaks of are done as a professional activity and in response to her job as a prosecutor.  They are not to be used as an event to protect or defend her honor as an attorney.  It seems this Dershowitz guy is trying to egg her on to publicly respond to his attacks, then he rabidly attacks her for trying to keep it out of the public.  Basically, he's a bully.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 05, 2012, 08:01:58 PM
Quote
She persisted in her nonstop whining, claiming that she is prohibited from responding to my attacks by the rules of professional responsibility — without mentioning that she has repeatedly held her own press conferences and made public statements throughout her career.

This is what my last post was in response to.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 05, 2012, 08:16:31 PM
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/20120605credibility_may_prove_key_in_george_zimmerman_case/srvc=home&position=recent

Credibility may prove key in George Zimmerman case
By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner / The Orlando Sentinel, Fla. (MCT)
 Tuesday, June 5, 2012

snipped;

ORLANDO, Fla. — It is clear from court and public records that George Zimmerman has sometimes been less than truthful.
 
After shooting Trayvon Martin in late February, he told Sanford police he didn’t have a criminal history. He did. Several weeks later, he told the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office he had never been in a pretrial-diversion program. That’s also untrue.

He contradicted himself on the witness stand in April, telling Martin’s family during an apology that he had thought their son was close to his age. On the night of the shooting, Zimmerman, 28, described the 17-year-old to police as in his “late teens.”
 
And now Zimmerman is back in jail because he sat silently as his wife, Shellie, testified — under oath — at his bond hearing in April that the couple were, essentially, flat broke. At the time, they had access to about $135,000, funds raised through a website he launched after he shot Martin.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 05, 2012, 08:37:31 PM
"Why does the media and talking heads keep saying Zimmerman and his wife had $135,000? They raised $204,000 and, according to O'Mara, they used $40-50,000. That leaves $155,000. Where is this $20,000 discrepancy?" QUOTE


Amy's sister...Not sure, but imagine because the amount was ever increasing. Probably was the $s at the time of the recorded call, by the time O'Mara got the fund it was a whole lot more. Goodness knows what it is now... 



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on June 05, 2012, 09:32:02 PM
One other thing... just because Zimmerman has death threats against him doesn't make him any less guilty

LE should set an example and arrest anyone who has issued threats but we all need to keep in mind that these threats are a seperate issue from the murder of Trayvon.

BBM.. last time i checked, he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet.  just because others don't agree with your opinion on this case doesn't mean we are all in the wrong, which is how your previous post before this one came across to be honest.  everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Yes, I agree the "death threats against him doesn't make him any less guilty," it also doesn't make him guilty.  We don't even have the facts...we are just stating our opinions here.  We weren't there and really don't know what happened...but, I can tell you that this is a case that angers me unlike any other in regards to posting amongst one another. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 06, 2012, 02:01:48 AM
I don't want to be the source of any discontent so I'm giving myself some space on this one and will try to post as little as possible.  No disrespect was intended toward anyone here and it wasn't personal.   

It is yet to be proven in court whether or not GZ is guilty of murder but he's done a host of other things which are more than questionable.  Lying to the court is so wrong! 

IMO.   

 









Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on June 06, 2012, 07:51:06 AM
I don't want to be the source of any discontent so I'm giving myself some space on this one and will try to post as little as possible.  No disrespect was intended toward anyone here and it wasn't personal.   

It is yet to be proven in court whether or not GZ is guilty of murder but he's done a host of other things which are more than questionable.  Lying to the court is so wrong! 

IMO.   

 









It is absolutely wrong to lie to the court...without a doubt.  I sure hope that my post didn't lead to you not posting as much.  It is good to read both sides...see different perspectives and such.  My post was meant to show the level of anger that this case has caused.  It is a very emotionally charged case.  On both sides. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: kcrn on June 06, 2012, 11:07:19 AM
I don't want to be the source of any discontent so I'm giving myself some space on this one and will try to post as little as possible.  No disrespect was intended toward anyone here and it wasn't personal.   

It is yet to be proven in court whether or not GZ is guilty of murder but he's done a host of other things which are more than questionable.  Lying to the court is so wrong! 

IMO.   

 









It is absolutely wrong to lie to the court...without a doubt.  I sure hope that my post didn't lead to you not posting as much.  It is good to read both sides...see different perspectives and such.  My post was meant to show the level of anger that this case has caused.  It is a very emotionally charged case.  On both sides. 
I dont believe there is any way that this is a 2nd degree murder case. I do believe that gz was acting in self defense although maybe he did put himself in the position of having to do so. I dont think gz is a choirboy by any means but lets stop pretending this kid was a fresh faced little boy that his 13 year old pictures portray him as. He was a thug. Drugs, robbery, fighting. These things make him a misguided kid who if it were your neighbors kid u would probably agree. I believe this kid was angry that this barney fife was tailing him & he was up for a fight. He in no way deserved to die, but lets stop acting like this was a racial thing. I am sick to death of those who play the race card at every opportunity. I may be wrong but turning this into a race thing is why they got so much press & interest in the push to hang this guy. Maybe he deserves a manslaughter charge but he surely doesnt deserve all of this. Tm's parents are milking this for all they can to line their pockets. They deserve to be angry for losing their child but stop trying to stir up hate &"racial discord. Quite sure there have been many white parents who lost their children to black on white crime but i have yet to see one launch a national campaign to try to get whites to hate the black man.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 06, 2012, 12:07:56 PM
Forum will focus on race relations and the Trayvon Martin tragedy

10:17 a.m. EST, June 6, 2012|By Martin E. Comas, Orlando Sentinel


A Sanford city commissioner, a pastor, a college president and two attorneys will serve as panelists at a forum on Thursday that will focus on race relations and the Trayvon Martin shooting.

A Night of Healing will start at 6 p.m. at the Sanford Civic Center, 401 E. Seminole Blvd. The event is organized by Greater Orlando CARES, a chapter of National CARES, a mentoring organization for students.  ::snipping2:: 

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-06/news/os-sanford-trayvon-healing-20120606_1_sanford-commissioner-focus-on-race-relations-sanford-city


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 06, 2012, 12:12:26 PM
Could Shellie Zimmerman face perjury charges?
by Joy-Ann Reid | June 6, 2012 at 10:25 AM

People are talking about it. Facebook pages are popping up calling for it. But could Shellie Zimmerman actually face perjury or contempt of court charges for misleading a Florida court about her husband’s finances?
 
The answer, according to experts, is maybe.
 
During an April 20 bond hearing, Shellie Zimmerman, wife of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with second degree murder in the killing of Trayvon Martin, testified that she and her husband were broke. They had no jobs, no assets, and little money with which to make bail. But the day before the hearing, on April 19th, bank records show the couple had some $135,000 sitting in Shellie’s credit union account, transferred in multiple transactions from a PayPal account George set up to go with his website, TheRealGeorgeZimmerman.com. That website and PayPal account were closed by Mark O’Mara, who took over after George Zimmerman’s previous attorneys abruptly resigned from the case, because he set up the website without consulting them, and then stopped returning their calls and emails.
 
During the April hearing, George Zimmerman’s lawyer, Mark O’Mara, requested a bond of just $15,000, based on his client’s indigence, while the state wanted $1 million. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester settled on $150,000, which the Zimmerman’s promptly raised through a bail bonds firm, and George was freed from jail. He’s back in a cell inside the John E. Polk Correction Facility in Seminole County, Florida, after Judge Lester revoked that bond, after prosecutors uncovered the deception.
 
O’Mara could try for a second bond hearing (the defense had indicated they would do so this week, only to delay…) But if some supporters of Trayvon Martin’s family have their way, Shellie Zimmerman will face a hearing of her own, either for contempt or perjury charges.   ::snipping2:: 

http://thegrio.com/2012/06/06/could-shellie-zimmerman-face-perjury-charges/

4 page article.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on June 06, 2012, 12:39:20 PM
I don't want to be the source of any discontent so I'm giving myself some space on this one and will try to post as little as possible.  No disrespect was intended toward anyone here and it wasn't personal.   

It is yet to be proven in court whether or not GZ is guilty of murder but he's done a host of other things which are more than questionable.  Lying to the court is so wrong! 

IMO.   

 









It is absolutely wrong to lie to the court...without a doubt.  I sure hope that my post didn't lead to you not posting as much.  It is good to read both sides...see different perspectives and such.  My post was meant to show the level of anger that this case has caused.  It is a very emotionally charged case.  On both sides. 
I dont believe there is any way that this is a 2nd degree murder case. I do believe that gz was acting in self defense although maybe he did put himself in the position of having to do so. I dont think gz is a choirboy by any means but lets stop pretending this kid was a fresh faced little boy that his 13 year old pictures portray him as. He was a thug. Drugs, robbery, fighting. These things make him a misguided kid who if it were your neighbors kid u would probably agree. I believe this kid was angry that this barney fife was tailing him & he was up for a fight. He in no way deserved to die, but lets stop acting like this was a racial thing. I am sick to death of those who play the race card at every opportunity. I may be wrong but turning this into a race thing is why they got so much press & interest in the push to hang this guy. Maybe he deserves a manslaughter charge but he surely doesnt deserve all of this. Tm's parents are milking this for all they can to line their pockets. They deserve to be angry for losing their child but stop trying to stir up hate &"racial discord. Quite sure there have been many white parents who lost their children to black on white crime but i have yet to see one launch a national campaign to try to get whites to hate the black man.

Oh wow...perfectly said.  I think that is where my anger comes from in this case.  I have always thought that I was very compassionate and understanding...but, I have to admit the more that I see in this case the angrier I become and the less compassion I have for the parents...(I cannot believe that I am saying that...it angers me that I feel that way too).  It isn't right to feel that way either...the parents lost their son...and there should be compassion (and I do have it) I am just saying that it is less and less the more they play this racial card.  I just do not believe it was racially motivated...and now people are comparing this mom with Rosa Parks...really?  I have sadness in my heart for her and the dad and the family...I do believe that the civil rights activists exploited them (yet they aren't fighting against that).  I believe that GZ will not get a fair trial...I believe that this is now racially and politically motivated.  GZ doesn't stand a chance...I believe if evidence points to him murdering TM then let justice be served...but, if evidence points against that charge then let him go.  SN:  If Shellie Zimmerman is charged with perjury then so should the Anthony clan...fair is fair.  She lied and so did Cindy.  Well, if it is proven that she lied...it points in that direction.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 06, 2012, 02:50:03 PM
Zimmerman learned his lesson, attorney says
June 6 '12

updated 2 hours 52 minutes ago
The legal team for the man accused of shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin paid their client a visit Tuesday evening.

George Zimmerman sits in the Seminole County jail in a protective custody cell awaiting his next bond hearing.
 
Judge Kenneth Lester revoked Zimmerman's bond after the state alleged he and his wife conspired to lie to the court about their finances.
 
Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said his client has learned his lesson that he has to be completely truthful when he presents himself to the court.
 
O'Mara told WESH 2 that Zimmerman's next bond hearing won't come for at least a couple of weeks because of scheduling issues with Lester and the other attorneys.
 
O'Mara said he is happy to have the time to prepare Zimmerman's testimony, but said Zimmerman is worried about his wife's possible legal issues for not telling the truth during the first bond hearing.
 
Shelly Zimmerman could face perjury charges along with her husband for lying about the money, according to veteran defense attorney Jeff Deen.
 
 "He's worried now because the judge is now worried about their lack of candor," said O'Mara. "The focus is going to be on Shelly, because Shelly is the one that didn't state affirmatively that the money was available when she knew it was there. So, yes we are going to have to deal with that."
 
Zimmerman was fearful to disclose the fact that he had more than $100,000 in a legal fund that he raised on his website, according to O'Mara.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47707955


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on June 06, 2012, 02:52:56 PM
Zimmerman learned his lesson, attorney says
June 6 '12

updated 2 hours 52 minutes ago
The legal team for the man accused of shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin paid their client a visit Tuesday evening.

George Zimmerman sits in the Seminole County jail in a protective custody cell awaiting his next bond hearing.
 
Judge Kenneth Lester revoked Zimmerman's bond after the state alleged he and his wife conspired to lie to the court about their finances.
 
Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said his client has learned his lesson that he has to be completely truthful when he presents himself to the court.
 
O'Mara told WESH 2 that Zimmerman's next bond hearing won't come for at least a couple of weeks because of scheduling issues with Lester and the other attorneys.
 
O'Mara said he is happy to have the time to prepare Zimmerman's testimony, but said Zimmerman is worried about his wife's possible legal issues for not telling the truth during the first bond hearing.
 
Shelly Zimmerman could face perjury charges along with her husband for lying about the money, according to veteran defense attorney Jeff Deen.
 
 "He's worried now because the judge is now worried about their lack of candor," said O'Mara. "The focus is going to be on Shelly, because Shelly is the one that didn't state affirmatively that the money was available when she knew it was there. So, yes we are going to have to deal with that."
 
Zimmerman was fearful to disclose the fact that he had more than $100,000 in a legal fund that he raised on his website, according to O'Mara.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47707955

Although, I am on George's side in regards to not being guilty of second degree murder...I am not on his side here.  Being fearful to disclose the amount of money that he had is no excuse and he should be held accountable.  Very poor choice on his part. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 06, 2012, 03:02:03 PM
Are you wondering what George Zimmerman is doing today?
June 6 '12

.     As many of you know, George Zimmerman is the person accused of murdering a 17 year old Trayvon Martin on February 26, 2012. Having lied to Seminole County Court Judge Kenneth Lester, Jr. at a bail hearing held on April 20, 2012, Mr. Zimmerman gained his calculated release. Upon payment of a $150,000 dollar bond, Mr. Zimmerman's release shocked an entire nation. Especially, Trayvon Martin's parents Tracy Martin, Sybrina Fulton, and his brother Jahvaris Fulton. But a clever Prosecutor named Bernie De la Rionda was granted a rehearing on the issue of bail where he showed Mr. George Zimmerman and Mrs. Shelly Zimmerman had lied to the court at the previous bail hearing.   
 
     On June 1, 2012, Judge Lester agreed that Mr. Zimmerman had lied to the court and ordered that Mr. Zimmerman turn himself in to the John E. Polk Correctional Facility authorities within 48 hours. On June 3, 2012, Mr. Zimmerman turned himself in to John E. Polk Correctional Facility authorities and appears to have gained weight and allowed his hair to grow. His jail photo shows that he is now clean shaven.  ::snipping2:: 

     Having lied to Judge Lester while the nation was watching and suborning the perjury of his wife by way of omission, George Zimmerman is more brazen than once believed. There are those who say that Mr. Zimmerman is Peruvian, not White. However, looking at the evidence objectively, the VINELink website shows that Mr. Zimmerman's race and gender is listed as being a "White" "Male." At this point, one must think long and hard about Mr. Zimmerman's credibility. However, there are cases where a witness' credibility has successfully been rehabilitated.
 
     As it stands, the ball is now in the court of Mr. Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara. It will be interesting to see what legal maneuvering the defense will position itself with in the days ahead. On both sides of the spectrum, the victim and the suspect, are being represented by competent attorneys. Mr. Zimmerman is not completely out of the game so to speak, he simply has a credibility issue that must be overcome. If a Stand Your Ground hearing is ordered, there is still a possibility that Mr. Zimmerman can regain his freedom. However, that depends on how well Mr. O'Mara argues Mr. Zimmerman's case. Special Prosecutor Angela Corey can compound the credibility issue by filing a criminal charge against Mr. and Mrs. Zimmerman to show how pernicious and influential Mr. Zimmerman can be with coaxing people to lie for him. Let's not forget, there are people who know Mr. Zimmerman that are expected to testify on his behalf.
 
     Today, the John E. Polk Correctional Facility will be providing Mr. Zimmerman with the proverbial “three hots and a cot” during his confinement. One can only speculate that he’s feeling dismal after the transition from being a free man to being incarcerated. However, unlike Trayvon Martin, he has a court date to look forward to with $365.10 in his inmate account to spend at the jail's commissary until that day comes.
 
     According the the John Polk Correctional Facility, Mr. Zimmerman can receive correspondence at the following address: John Polk Correctional Facility, Attn: George Zimmerman, 201200006746, 211 Bush Blvd., Sanford, Fl. 32773. Being housed in segregation, I'm sure Mr. Zimmerman would like to hear from you. One thing's for sure, he has a lot to think about.  ::snipping2::

http://www.examiner.com/article/are-you-wondering-what-george-zimmerman-is-doing-today



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: KittyMom on June 06, 2012, 03:07:02 PM
Interesting, by posting that address, this jerk is burdening an already overburdened correctional system with mail that will no doubt be nothing but hate-filled and very probably threatening.  What an azz.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 06, 2012, 03:13:37 PM
Zimmerman vs. Martin: the trial being held online
June 6 '12

 Three camps have emerged since the Trayvon Martin shooting by George Zimmerman in February of 2012. There is the pro-Zimmerman camp, which claim the shooting was justifiable, based on what they all know thus far. There are the anti-Zimmerman’s, who claim he had no right to pull a gun, based on what the public has been told of that night in Florida. Then there is a median group who either claim they do no care or even know (one thirty plus year-old posted on a Facebook page, “Who is Jim Crow? He sounds like an awful man!”). Whatever camp they are in, it is all being tried in the court of the World Wide Web.
 
The media is all too glad to distribute evidence.

Two teen assailants beat Mark Slavin, a fifty-year-old man, in the head 13 times with a hammer; the man’s life hangs precariously in the balance at this writing. Because of the damage he was unidentifiable. The victim was a white male; the perpetrators were black males. Slavin’s father attempted to determine if the crime was a hate crime, as it occurred a month, and close to the area, where Trayvon Martin was shot. According to Mark Slavin’s father, he has contacted both the local FBI and his local legislators for assistance; he has not received a response. The FBI, “told (him) to get an attorney” (source). Several organizations and individuals are asking why this case did not receive the media attention the Martin case is carrying. White supremacy leaders and groups, in particular, are angered this attack did not make the media circuit. Its details are flying across computer screens as fast as folks can type.

A photograph has been circulating, showing a brash Trayvon Martin in a white ski hat, orange ‘sag’ pants, and checked boxers, extending middle fingers at the camera. An impetuous youth who doesn’t look as innocent as his family claims, says the pro-Zimmerman group. There is one issue. This is not the Trayvon Martin who was shot. This boy in orange is a different Trayvon. But the picture circulated like a brush fire in a Nashville July before the truth could be told.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.examiner.com/article/zimmerman-vs-martin-the-trial-being-held-online


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 06, 2012, 03:19:14 PM
Trayvon Martin case's Judge Lester makes misstep about Zimmerman bond
 The Examiner ^ | June 4, 2012

The Trayvon Martin case's Judge Lester has made a judicial misstep about the George Zimmerman bond revocation. And it's a misstep which only serves to increase the racial tensions in the country, unnecessarily.

Judge Lester contends that the Trayvon Martin shooter’s bond had to be revoked because the suspect lied during his first bond hearing about the state of his finances, and that his wife, Shellie, did too, telling the court that the two were practically broke, which led to a $150,000 bail instead of the $1 million sought by the prosecution. But the judge isn’t giving the public all the facts in this case.

The suspect’s attorney, Mark O’Mara, has pointed out that most of the donated money was in an independent trust that neither Zimmerman nor his lawyers could tap. So that means Shellie and George weren’t lying when they said they were broke, because they really didn’t have access to all of the $135,000 monies raised on the accused’s behalf.

And that’s the first misstep by Judge Lester: a rush to judgment in a case that, if no other, called for cooler heads to prevail.

It also shows that Judge Lester is not only insensitive to the racial issues that are boiling over in this case, but that he is for some reason fanning the flames by deviating from what would typically happen in such a case.

In typical situations like this, a judge would not immediately revoke a bond. Instead, he would confer with the counsel and the prosecutor first; taking the opportunity to learn why there appeared to be a miscommunication about assets. He might even have the accused present, in a fact-gathering hearing, before he made a decision over revocation. He definitely wouldn’t make it a media affair, as this judge has done.... ::snipping2:: 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2891633/posts



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on June 06, 2012, 03:34:11 PM
Could Shellie Zimmerman face perjury charges?
by Joy-Ann Reid | June 6, 2012 at 10:25 AM

People are talking about it. Facebook pages are popping up calling for it. But could Shellie Zimmerman actually face perjury or contempt of court charges for misleading a Florida court about her husband’s finances?
 

This is totally bogus, but within their right.  This case makes me mad in so many ways!

What about all the lies that have been told by MSM, the Prosecution and even TM's loved ones?

The door swings both ways!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on June 06, 2012, 04:29:48 PM
I would be too afraid to not disclose the truth about the monies collected if I was GZ or his wife. Isn't he in enough trouble already? I think that it was greed on their part. They suddenly have more money than they have ever had and they had hopes of keeping it for themselves perhaps. Also, I have wondered why GZ has had to use so much money already for his personal expenses? If he was living at home and working, he would be living on that salary right? Now has be caught up on his mortgage or paid off vehicles with the cash? It should be used for normal living expenses and legal fees. He should not profit off of this death any more than Trayvon's parents should.   Jmo. Lots of things about this case make me angry too


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 06, 2012, 05:24:38 PM
I would be too afraid to not disclose the truth about the monies collected if I was GZ or his wife. Isn't he in enough trouble already? I think that it was greed on their part. They suddenly have more money than they have ever had and they had hopes of keeping it for themselves perhaps. Also, I have wondered why GZ has had to use so much money already for his personal expenses? If he was living at home and working, he would be living on that salary right? Now has be caught up on his mortgage or paid off vehicles with the cash? It should be used for normal living expenses and legal fees. He should not profit off of this death any more than Trayvon's parents should.   Jmo. Lots of things about this case make me angry too

cooks, no mortgage..they rent. Haven't heard that the money was all spent just that it was made available to them, a portion of the account. Read that had to hire security, that's expensive. With no income and likely a year or more before he comes to trial he will need that much $$...should he released again. Not sure if the money includes help to his family who have had to go in hiding because of death threats?

I'm still not convinced that his wife committed purgury..maybe because I don't want to be? But the fact that at the bond hearing she mentioned the account and offered to call the brother to get current figures, well......


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on June 06, 2012, 07:04:59 PM
Thanks for the reply Toler....I feel better about the account now that the attorney is in charge of the disbursements...although people have donated freely and GZ is free to use the monies as he needs it..I am just so sick of family's/people making money from a dead person's demise..started by the Anthony's...it never used to be that way. It just cheapens the death of the dead child in some ways KWIM...

I am not liking that George and wife were talking in code while he was in jail about the money. If they were above board, why not just talk about it straight out? Their credibility has really been hurt IMO...


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on June 06, 2012, 07:07:46 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-06/news/os-george-zimmerman-bond-hearing-20120606_1_bond-hearing-shooting-death

Report: George Zimmerman gets date for new bond hearing
From the Web
5:48 p.m. EST, June 6, 2012

George Zimmerman will get a second bond hearing later this month in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, according to a MyFoxOrlando.com report.
 ::snipping2::
The new hearing is set for June 29. Read the full report at MyFoxOrlando.com


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on June 06, 2012, 07:32:48 PM
Thanks for the info Grace...


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on June 06, 2012, 09:16:37 PM
Thanks for the info Grace...

You're welcome, cookie!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: cookie on June 06, 2012, 09:21:10 PM
I bet GZs bond is going to be really high this time....


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 06, 2012, 09:49:03 PM
Trayvon Martin case's Judge Lester makes misstep about Zimmerman bond
 The Examiner ^ | June 4, 2012

The Trayvon Martin case's Judge Lester has made a judicial misstep about the George Zimmerman bond revocation. And it's a misstep which only serves to increase the racial tensions in the country, unnecessarily.

Judge Lester contends that the Trayvon Martin shooter’s bond had to be revoked because the suspect lied during his first bond hearing about the state of his finances, and that his wife, Shellie, did too, telling the court that the two were practically broke, which led to a $150,000 bail instead of the $1 million sought by the prosecution. But the judge isn’t giving the public all the facts in this case.

The suspect’s attorney, Mark O’Mara, has pointed out that most of the donated money was in an independent trust that neither Zimmerman nor his lawyers could tap. So that means Shellie and George weren’t lying when they said they were broke, because they really didn’t have access to all of the $135,000 monies raised on the accused’s behalf.

And that’s the first misstep by Judge Lester: a rush to judgment in a case that, if no other, called for cooler heads to prevail.

It also shows that Judge Lester is not only insensitive to the racial issues that are boiling over in this case, but that he is for some reason fanning the flames by deviating from what would typically happen in such a case.

In typical situations like this, a judge would not immediately revoke a bond. Instead, he would confer with the counsel and the prosecutor first; taking the opportunity to learn why there appeared to be a miscommunication about assets. He might even have the accused present, in a fact-gathering hearing, before he made a decision over revocation. He definitely wouldn’t make it a media affair, as this judge has done.... ::snipping2:: 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2891633/posts



Quote
.....During an April 20 bond hearing, Shellie Zimmerman, wife of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with second degree murder in the killing of Trayvon Martin, testified that she and her husband were broke. They had no jobs, no assets, and little money with which to make bail. But the day before the hearing, on April 19th, bank records show the couple had some $135,000 sitting in Shellie’s credit union account, transferred in multiple transactions from a PayPal account George set up to go with his website, TheRealGeorgeZimmerman.com. That website and PayPal account were closed by Mark O’Mara, who took over after George Zimmerman’s previous attorneys abruptly resigned from the case, because he set up the website without consulting them, and then stopped returning their calls and emails.
 
During the April hearing, George Zimmerman’s lawyer, Mark O’Mara, requested a bond of just $15,000, based on his client’s indigence, while the state wanted $1 million. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester settled on $150,000, which the Zimmerman’s promptly raised through a bail bonds firm, and George was freed from jail. He’s back in a cell inside the John E. Polk Correction Facility in Seminole County, Florida, after Judge Lester revoked that bond, after prosecutors uncovered the deception.
 
O’Mara could try for a second bond hearing (the defense had indicated they would do so this week, only to delay…) But if some supporters of Trayvon Martin’s family have their way, Shellie Zimmerman will face a hearing of her own, either for contempt or perjury charges.     

http://thegrio.com/2012/06/06/could-shellie-zimmerman-face-perjury-charges/


So, which story is correct? 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 06, 2012, 11:08:05 PM
I don't want to be the source of any discontent so I'm giving myself some space on this one and will try to post as little as possible.  No disrespect was intended toward anyone here and it wasn't personal.   

It is yet to be proven in court whether or not GZ is guilty of murder but he's done a host of other things which are more than questionable.  Lying to the court is so wrong! 

IMO.   

 









It is absolutely wrong to lie to the court...without a doubt.  I sure hope that my post didn't lead to you not posting as much.  It is good to read both sides...see different perspectives and such.  My post was meant to show the level of anger that this case has caused.  It is a very emotionally charged case.  On both sides. 
I dont believe there is any way that this is a 2nd degree murder case. I do believe that gz was acting in self defense although maybe he did put himself in the position of having to do so. I dont think gz is a choirboy by any means but lets stop pretending this kid was a fresh faced little boy that his 13 year old pictures portray him as. He was a thug. Drugs, robbery, fighting. These things make him a misguided kid who if it were your neighbors kid u would probably agree. I believe this kid was angry that this barney fife was tailing him & he was up for a fight. He in no way deserved to die, but lets stop acting like this was a racial thing. I am sick to death of those who play the race card at every opportunity. I may be wrong but turning this into a race thing is why they got so much press & interest in the push to hang this guy. Maybe he deserves a manslaughter charge but he surely doesnt deserve all of this. Tm's parents are milking this for all they can to line their pockets. They deserve to be angry for losing their child but stop trying to stir up hate &"racial discord. Quite sure there have been many white parents who lost their children to black on white crime but i have yet to see one launch a national campaign to try to get whites to hate the black man.

Oh wow...perfectly said.  I think that is where my anger comes from in this case.  I have always thought that I was very compassionate and understanding...but, I have to admit the more that I see in this case the angrier I become and the less compassion I have for the parents...(I cannot believe that I am saying that...it angers me that I feel that way too).  It isn't right to feel that way either...the parents lost their son...and there should be compassion (and I do have it) I am just saying that it is less and less the more they play this racial card.  I just do not believe it was racially motivated...and now people are comparing this mom with Rosa Parks...really?  I have sadness in my heart for her and the dad and the family...I do believe that the civil rights activists exploited them (yet they aren't fighting against that).  I believe that GZ will not get a fair trial...I believe that this is now racially and politically motivated.  GZ doesn't stand a chance...I believe if evidence points to him murdering TM then let justice be served...but, if evidence points against that charge then let him go.  SN:  If Shellie Zimmerman is charged with perjury then so should the Anthony clan...fair is fair.  She lied and so did Cindy.  Well, if it is proven that she lied...it points in that direction.

 ::rhino::

I don't see black/white because GZ is not white/black I can see that with my own eyes.  And I do see the way it has been miscontrued in the MSM and the prosecution/family is using it to their advantage.  I am more concerned with the gun rights/self defense part of this case...it's funny how we all see things differently or are affected by different aspects of it.  The lying after is going to be a tough one at this point for the defense and GZ. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 07, 2012, 12:22:15 AM
Zimmerman's Treatment National Disgrace
June 6 '12

It was said of Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester that he would not be moved by emotional hysteria, but rather view things within reason and the law. However, after his decision last week to revoke George Zimmerman's bond, I doubt whether anyone can remain uninfluenced.

Humans have discovered that good wishes are essential to life. Imagine then, if groups of people, organizations, churches, politicians and media were to vilify and demonize a single individual.

Bullying suicides are everywhere, from Tyler Clementi to Abraham Biggs, among many others who have taken their own lives when maligned. Consider Josh Powell, who burned himself and his sons when faced with hardships and trials.

It takes people of a high caliber and moral courage to survive death threats, terrorism, hatred and harassment. People like the Zimmermans deserve our empathy.

Lynch mobs want vengeance, not justice. Zimmerman is neither a racist nor a vigilante; yet he has been mercilessly demonized and vilified as one or the other. He utters no complaint, but speaks his truth quietly and clearly. When love can nowhere be found and all resulting troubles are viewed as God's justice, how can a man survive?

What is happening to Zimmerman, on every level, is a national disgrace.

It is easy to see from his actions and the court proceedings that Zimmerman has the deepest respect for our justice system. The video when he was first brought into the Sanford police station shows him wiping his feet as he enters the facility in handcuffs.
 ::snipping2::

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-ed-george-zimmerman-myword-060712-20120606,0,32797.story#tugs_story_display


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: kcrn on June 07, 2012, 10:15:19 AM
I don't want to be the source of any discontent so I'm giving myself some space on this one and will try to post as little as possible.  No disrespect was intended toward anyone here and it wasn't personal.   

It is yet to be proven in court whether or not GZ is guilty of murder but he's done a host of other things which are more than questionable.  Lying to the court is so wrong! 

IMO.   

 









It is absolutely wrong to lie to the court...without a doubt.  I sure hope that my post didn't lead to you not posting as much.  It is good to read both sides...see different perspectives and such.  My post was meant to show the level of anger that this case has caused.  It is a very emotionally charged case.  On both sides. 
I dont believe there is any way that this is a 2nd degree murder case. I do believe that gz was acting in self defense although maybe he did put himself in the position of having to do so. I dont think gz is a choirboy by any means but lets stop pretending this kid was a fresh faced little boy that his 13 year old pictures portray him as. He was a thug. Drugs, robbery, fighting. These things make him a misguided kid who if it were your neighbors kid u would probably agree. I believe this kid was angry that this barney fife was tailing him & he was up for a fight. He in no way deserved to die, but lets stop acting like this was a racial thing. I am sick to death of those who play the race card at every opportunity. I may be wrong but turning this into a race thing is why they got so much press & interest in the push to hang this guy. Maybe he deserves a manslaughter charge but he surely doesnt deserve all of this. Tm's parents are milking this for all they can to line their pockets. They deserve to be angry for losing their child but stop trying to stir up hate &"racial discord. Quite sure there have been many white parents who lost their children to black on white crime but i have yet to see one launch a national campaign to try to get whites to hate the black man.

Oh wow...perfectly said.  I think that is where my anger comes from in this case.  I have always thought that I was very compassionate and understanding...but, I have to admit the more that I see in this case the angrier I become and the less compassion I have for the parents...(I cannot believe that I am saying that...it angers me that I feel that way too).  It isn't right to feel that way either...the parents lost their son...and there should be compassion (and I do have it) I am just saying that it is less and less the more they play this racial card.  I just do not believe it was racially motivated...and now people are comparing this mom with Rosa Parks...really?  I have sadness in my heart for her and the dad and the family...I do believe that the civil rights activists exploited them (yet they aren't fighting against that).  I believe that GZ will not get a fair trial...I believe that this is now racially and politically motivated.  GZ doesn't stand a chance...I believe if evidence points to him murdering TM then let justice be served...but, if evidence points against that charge then let him go.  SN:  If Shellie Zimmerman is charged with perjury then so should the Anthony clan...fair is fair.  She lied and so did Cindy.  Well, if it is proven that she lied...it points in that direction.

 ::rhino::

I don't see black/white because GZ is not white/black I can see that with my own eyes.  And I do see the way it has been miscontrued in the MSM and the prosecution/family is using it to their advantage.  I am more concerned with the gun rights/self defense part of this case...it's funny how we all see things differently or are affected by different aspects of it.  The lying after is going to be a tough one at this point for the defense and GZ. 

youre right gz is not "white" but since hes not black, they have turned this into a racist crime. To most blacks that support this ridiculous attempt at making it about race, he is nothing but a "cracker" who targeted a young black man because he hates blacks like the rest of the non black country. Imo, gz would havebeen suspicious of & followed any young man in a hoodie that he felt was somewhere he shouldnt be. Could have easily been a white or hispanic kid dressed the same way. Not saying that attire is a reason to be suspicious but if this kid fit the profile & appearance of the previous burglary suspects then in gz's mind that was enough to cause suspicion. He should have left it to authorities & for that he is an idiot, but i highly doubt he was hanging out just looking to off some black kid simply because of his race. I despise those whites that form those aryan brotherhood groups or whatever they call themselves, they are true race haters. However, they are no different than this ridiculousness. Sybrina martin being compared to rosa parks? R u kidding me? Im more inclined to compare her to cindy anthony. Racism is always going to be alive in this world, but it goes more ways than one. I refuse to bow to the black man who thinks he/she is owed something from the white man because of the way the country was. Hundreds of years ago. Blacks have just as many opportunities in this country as other races, in fact more, to further their education & make their lives what they choose. I know blacks that are lazy, living off the system, etc. & i know whites that are the same way. Your station in life is what you strive to make it & if u cant or wont better yourself, its not fault of others. Racism is not all about blacks. All races live with it.
As far as the lying to the courts thing, i dont know all of the details, but i dont condone it. Is that really an issue in this twisted mess? We dont know if this man is guilty of anything more than being an overzealous neighborhood watch idiot that created a bad situation for himself yet he now lives in fear for his life. Even if he is lucky enough to make it to trial he will absolutely not get a fair trial & if hes miraculously acquitted he may be released to be hung from the nearest tree. His family did nothing, yet their lives are ruined.  Id say let it play out in court & hope for justice, but i highly doubt that will happen. He is now part of an agenda & a campaign for racial discord. A jury would be afraid not to convict.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on June 07, 2012, 10:33:59 AM
Well said kcrn...so sad but true.  I just pray that they stop playing games and seek justice for ALL involved.  I cannot believe that we as a nation have allowed this to happen.  It is not right and it is not fair.  It surfaces anger in me that I don't typically have.  Entitlement issues are at an all time high...this has not been handled right in any way.  The money being sent to GZ is speaking for the support of him...yet, in the media most is scared to admit their support of him...why?  Fear?  Something isn't right there if that is the case...maybe this needs to be assessed.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 07, 2012, 11:56:13 AM
June7, 2012
What the Media Choose Not to Know about Trayvon

Unnerved by an unspoken mix of political bias and racial queasiness, the major media have chosen to know as little about Trayvon Martin as they know about Barack Obama.
 
As a case in point, consider this boy vs. man fable spun by the New York Times' Charles Blow:
 
A boy's blood had been spilled on a rain-soaked patch of grass behind a row of mustard-colored condominiums by a man who had pursued him against the advice of 911 dispatchers. That man carried a 9-millimeter handgun. The boy carried a bag of candy.
 
Blow was writing seven weeks after Trayvon's death.  He had no excuse for missing the actual story.  Worse, since he is a writer for the Times, his reporting has helped set the media tone worldwide
 
The media's willful ignorance was on display again this past week.  In reporting this news of George Zimmerman's return to jail, more than a few media outlets showed the dangerously deceptive image of Trayvon as 11-year-old cherub.  They did so in the assumption that the narrative was still theirs to control.  It is not.  The blogs, which have been doing the real detective work on this case, have long since taken control away from them. 
 
The sites I have found must useful are the Daily Caller and conservativetreehouse.com.  What follows is largely culled from those sites and their independent contributors.  By probing Trayon's background and parsing his social media chatter, they have put together a picture of a disturbed young man that begins to makes sense of the events that unfolded on that fateful rainy night of February 26.
 
6:21
 
Trayvon Martin is seen on the security video through the 7-11 window approaching the store from the direction of the Retreat at Twin Lakes.  He had been staying there at the townhouse of his father's girlfriend, Brandy Green.  In major media accounts, the helpful Trayvon ventured out in the rain in a mile-plus round trip to buy Brandy's 14-year-old son, Chad, some Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea.  Not likely.
 
6:22
 
Trayvon, with his hoodie up, grabs two items from the shelves of 7-11.  One is the Skittles.  The other is Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail.  The media avoid the name of the real drink -- possibly because of the racial implications of the word "watermelon," but possibly to avoid probing the real reason for Trayon's trip.
 
Trayvon, in fact, had become a devotee of the druggy concoction known as "Lean," also known in southern hip-hop culture as "Sizzurp" and "Purple Drank."  Lean consists of three basic ingredients -- codeine, a soft drink, and candy.  If his Facebook postings are to be believed, Trayvon had been using Lean since at least June 2011. 
 
On June 27, 2011, Trayvon asks a friend online, "unow a connect for codien?"  He tells the friend that "robitussin nd soda" could make "some fire ass lean."  He says, "I had it before" and that he wants "to make some more."  On the night of February 26, if Brandy had some Robitussin at home, Trayvon had just bought the mixings for one "fire ass lean" cocktail.
 
6:23
 
Trayvon pays for his purchases.  He then appears to point to an item behind the counter, but the clerk seems to reject that option.  Trayvon turns from the counter with a couple of dollar bills still in his hand.  ::snipping2:: 

....timeline continues at link

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/what_the_media_choose_not_to_know_about_trayvon.html#ixzz1x7gzCObc


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: KittyMom on June 07, 2012, 12:35:05 PM
Good grief, I've heard of alcoholics drinking cough syrup before, but I didn't know there was a recipe for a drink with it and candy.  How do people think up this stuff????

 :shock:


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 07, 2012, 12:46:08 PM
If Angela Corey threatened suit against Dershowitz and Harvard, she needs to step down from Zimmerman case
 June 7, 2012 at 10:29am

If this is true, then Zimmerman prosecutor Angela Corey needs to step off the case.
 
Alan Dershowitz has been a harsh critic of Zimmerman prosecutor Angela Corey.  Among his criticisms is that Corey has been too politicized in charging Second Degree Murder.
 ::snipping2::

Corey now has made the prosecution a personal issue. Will she conduct the prosecution in such a way as to achieve justice, or to set herself up for a personal lawsuit against Dershowitz and Harvard?
 
Corey certainly has a right to protect and defend her reputation in civil actions, but she cannot interject those concerns into a prosecution.  By threatening suit against a critic in the middle of the case, Corey has put her own financial interests at stake in the outcome and conduct of the prosecution.
 
Florida has adopted American Bar Association Standards of Criminal Justice Relating to Prosecution Function.  ABA Standard 3-1.3 Conflicts of Interest provides in pertinent part:
 
(f) A prosecutor should not permit his or her professional judgment or obligations to be affected by his or her own political, financial, business, property, or personal interests.
 
Corey should step down.  Now.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/06/if-angela-corey-threatened-suit-against-dershowitz-and-harvard-she-needs-to-step-down-from-zimmerman-case/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 07, 2012, 02:09:41 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57448924-504083/trayvon-martin-murder-suspect-george-zimmerman-scheduled-for-new-bond-hearing/
Trayvon Martin murder suspect George Zimmerman scheduled for new bond hearing
June 7, 2012 1:07 PM 

(CBS/AP) ORLANDO, Fla. - A new bond hearing is set for George Zimmerman, the Florida neighborhood watch volunteer charged in the fatal shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin
The hearing is set for the morning of June 29.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 07, 2012, 03:23:29 PM
Trayvon Martin's parents to deliver petition at stand-your-ground meeting

June 7, 2012|
By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel


The parents of Trayvon Martin will deliver a 340,000-signature petition next week during the first public meeting of the task force reviewing Florida's stand-your-ground law, according to a national group which opposes such laws.

Trayvon, a 17-year-old from Miami Gardens, was fatally shot Feb. 26 in Sanford. The shooter, George Zimmerman, was not initially arrested because police said they couldn't disprove his self-defense claim under the controversial law.

The law allows the use of deadly force to prevent death or great bodily injury. It did away with the requirement that a person attempt to retreat from a conflict before using force, and critics say it encourages people to "shoot first."

Gov. Rick Scott created the Citizen Safety and Protection Task Force amid outrage over the teenager's death. Its first public meeting will be held Tuesday at Northland Church in Longwood, kicking off a statewide tour of hearings.

The teen's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, will deliver a petition "calling for reform or repeal" of the law about noon, according to Second Chance on Shoot First, a coalition which combats stand-your-ground legislation.

Central Florida Urban League President Allie Braswell is also expected to attend. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and New York CityMayor Michael Bloomberg are among the group's supporters.   ::snipping2:: 


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-07/news/os-trayvon-martin-stand-your-ground-petition-20120607_1_stand-your-ground-law-deadly-force-petition


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 07, 2012, 03:33:12 PM
Case against Zimmerman: Rally to reform 'Stand Your Ground' next week
June 7 '12

LONGWOOD --
When the Florida Task Force on Citizen Safety and Protection meets for the first time next week, Trayvon Martin's parents will be there.
 
Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton will be part of a rally Tuesday by the "Second Chance on Shoot First" campaign started by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
 
Supporters say they will deliver more than 340,000 petitions calling for the reform or repeal of laws like Florida's Stand Your Ground law.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/6/7/rally_to_reform_stan.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on June 07, 2012, 04:31:57 PM
Trayvon Martin's parents to deliver petition at stand-your-ground meeting

June 7, 2012|
By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel


The parents of Trayvon Martin will deliver a 340,000-signature petition next week during the first public meeting of the task force reviewing Florida's stand-your-ground law, according to a national group which opposes such laws.

Trayvon, a 17-year-old from Miami Gardens, was fatally shot Feb. 26 in Sanford. The shooter, George Zimmerman, was not initially arrested because police said they couldn't disprove his self-defense claim under the controversial law.

The law allows the use of deadly force to prevent death or great bodily injury. It did away with the requirement that a person attempt to retreat from a conflict before using force, and critics say it encourages people to "shoot first."

Gov. Rick Scott created the Citizen Safety and Protection Task Force amid outrage over the teenager's death. Its first public meeting will be held Tuesday at Northland Church in Longwood, kicking off a statewide tour of hearings.

The teen's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, will deliver a petition "calling for reform or repeal" of the law about noon, according to Second Chance on Shoot First, a coalition which combats stand-your-ground legislation.

Central Florida Urban League President Allie Braswell is also expected to attend. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and New York CityMayor Michael Bloomberg are among the group's supporters.   ::snipping2:: 


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-07/news/os-trayvon-martin-stand-your-ground-petition-20120607_1_stand-your-ground-law-deadly-force-petition

I would think you're entitled to stand your ground when you're on the bottom of a fight in which you are being pummeled and suffocated. I don't believe GZ approached TM with his gun pulled, or we would have heard TM say "don't shoot" instead of what he said.

I believe that TM went past GZ's car and then took off running. GZ pursued him,but could not keep up with a younger, lighter, longer legged TM. GZ gave up and was heading back to his car when TM doubled back and then approached TM.

If only, if only....... But, it happened and both men's actions may have contributed to the unfortunate outcome. I'm sorry if that angers anyone, but neither man acted in a vacuum. jmo


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on June 07, 2012, 04:34:33 PM

I would think you're entitled to stand your ground when you're on the bottom of a fight in which you are being pummeled and suffocated. I don't believe GZ approached TM with his gun pulled, or we would have heard TM say "don't shoot" instead of what he said.

I believe that TM went past GZ's car and then took off running. GZ pursued him,but could not keep up with a younger, lighter, longer legged TM. GZ gave up and was heading back to his car when TM doubled back and then approached TM. (should read TM doubled back and approached GZ)

If only, if only....... But, it happened and both men's actions may have contributed to the unfortunate outcome. I'm sorry if that angers anyone, but neither man acted in a vacuum. jmo

ooops, self correction.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on June 07, 2012, 05:05:12 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/07/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-blotter-idUS388432303020120607

Zimmerman Could Get Released from Jail June 29
By Andrew Chow, JD at FindLaw.com
Thu Jun 7, 2012 6:28pm EDT

George Zimmerman's new bail hearing is set for June 29, when his lawyer will again argue for his client's release from jail before trial, the Associated Press reports.

Zimmerman had been free after posting 10% of his original bail, set at $150,000 in April. But a judge revoked Zimmerman's bail last week, after finding Zimmerman and his wife lied about their finances to get a lower bail at the April hearing. Zimmerman returned to jail Sunday.

The June 29 bail hearing will be similar to the April hearing, but this time, Zimmerman will have a lot to prove to the court.

In asking to revoke George Zimmerman's bail, prosecutors alleged he and his wife spoke in code during jail phone calls to conceal their true finances.

Zimmerman's defense team acknowledged the "gravity of this mistake" in a website entry June 4. "Mr. Zimmerman understands that this mistake has undermined his credibility, which he will have to work to repair."

Florida law lists 12 general factors for a judge to consider at a bail hearing. The factors include:

The nature and circumstances of the offense charged.
The weight of the evidence against the defendant.
The defendant's family ties, length of residence in the community, employment history, financial resources, and mental condition.
The defendant's past and present conduct, including conduct in court.
The source of funds used to post bail or procure an appearance bond.
Any other facts the court considers relevant.

"While Mr. Zimmerman acknowledges that he allowed his financial situation to be misstated in court, the defense will emphasize that in all other regards, Mr. Zimmerman has been forthright and cooperative," Zimmerman's defense team wrote on their website, GZLegalCase.com


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on June 07, 2012, 05:16:56 PM
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/article1233152.ece

Race plays complex role in Florida's 'stand your ground' law
By Susan Taylor Martin, Kris Hundley and Connie Humburg, Times Staff Writers
In Print: Monday, June 4, 2012

 ::snipping2::
A Tampa Bay Times analysis of nearly 200 cases — the first to examine the role of race in "stand your ground" — found that people who killed a black person walked free 73 percent of the time, while those who killed a white person went free 59 percent of the time.
 
"I don't think judges or prosecutors or whoever works in the field of criminal justice is consciously saying black life is worth less than that of other ethnicities,'' said Kareem Jordan, a criminologist at the University of Central Florida. "But at the end of the day, it could be something that's subconscious going on if you look at how the media depicts black life.''
 
Questions of race have surrounded Florida's "stand your ground" law since the February shooting death of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager, by George Zimmerman, a Hispanic neighborhood watch volunteer.
 
Did the teenager's race have anything to do with the initial decision not to charge Zimmerman?
 
If Zimmerman had been black, would authorities in Sanford have been so quick to accept his claim of self-defense? Are black defendants less likely to walk free than people of other races in "stand your ground" cases?
 
The Times analysis found no obvious bias in how black defendants have been treated:
 
• Whites who invoked the law were charged at the same rate as blacks.

• Whites who went to trial were convicted at the same rate as blacks.

• In mixed-race cases involving fatalities, the outcomes were similar. Four of the five blacks who killed a white went free; five of the six whites who killed a black went free.
 
• Overall, black defendants went free 66 percent of the time in fatal cases compared to 61 percent for white defendants — a difference explained, in part, by the fact blacks were more likely to kill another black.
  ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: labubske on June 07, 2012, 05:21:31 PM

I would think you're entitled to stand your ground when you're on the bottom of a fight in which you are being pummeled and suffocated. I don't believe GZ approached TM with his gun pulled, or we would have heard TM say "don't shoot" instead of what he said.

I believe that TM went past GZ's car and then took off running. GZ pursued him,but could not keep up with a younger, lighter, longer legged TM. GZ gave up and was heading back to his car when TM doubled back and then approached TM. (should read TM doubled back and approached GZ)

If only, if only....... But, it happened and both men's actions may have contributed to the unfortunate outcome. I'm sorry if that angers anyone, but neither man acted in a vacuum. jmo

ooops, self correction.

Sounds like a highly possible scenario. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 07, 2012, 08:37:15 PM
Orlando man with Zimmerman's old phone number slammed by threatening calls
June 7 '12

At age 49, Junior Alexander Guy got his first cell phone last month. The calls started immediately.

 Strangers called at all hours. Some were insulting. Others angry. Sometimes, they threatened him.

 "You murderer!"

 "You deserve to die!"
By Day 2 he figured out what was going on: T-Mobile had given him the phone number formerly used by George Zimmerman, the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who fatally shot Trayvon Martin in February.

 The number —407-435-2400 — was the one Zimmerman spelled out to a police dispatcher in a recorded call the night of the shooting that has since been widely circulated by news organizations and is available on the Internet.

 Guy, who works at an Orlando wastewater plant, said his phone rang around the clock.

 "At 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock in the morning I kept getting these," he said.

 He estimates he received 70 threatening calls.

 He has moved out of his home and relocated his mother, who had lived with him, to a different location, he said.

 "I was not only afraid for my life, I was afraid for my mother's," he said.

 He got the phone May 7. On May 16, he turned the phone over to Orlando lawyer Robert Trimble. Since then, the phone has been in Trimble's safe.  ::snipping2:: 

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-07/news/os-george-zimmerman-old-phone-number-20120606_1_t-mobile-cell-phone-phone-number


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 07, 2012, 10:43:23 PM
A brave, new world
June 5 '12

  ::snipping2:: Less than two weeks after its creation, over 540,000 people signed my petition. On the one month anniversary of Trayvon's death, I delivered the petition to the Justice Department. To say my life changed that day is an understatement. I met people via email, facebook, twitter and in person who had lost loved ones as a result of gun violence. I received words of support and encouragement along with angry emails and phone calls. I've been both praised and vilified. In creating the petition, I put myself out there -- something I rarely did as a journalist -- and I don't regret it for one minute!

Today, watching events unfold in the recall election in Wisconsin, I feel a deep sense of satisfaction and contentment. Although I enjoyed my work as a journalist, the people I met and the stories I was able to share, I feel that my work today makes a tangible, measurable difference. Through efforts like my own, children may one day feel safer, I hope, because there are fewer guns on the streets, fewer bad lawmakers taking away their rights for the sake of power and selfish gain. This hope takes my breath away. I think about Trayvon's family every day especially when I watch my two young sons grow. They know Trayvon's face and they know the name of his killer. They stood with me the day I delivered the petitions and shouted "No justice, no peace!"  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/05/1097668/-A-brave-new-world


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 08, 2012, 12:47:14 PM
Zimmerman prosecutor has history of going after critics
June 8 '

Yesterday I posted about how Alan Dershowitz alleged that Zimmerman prosecutor Angela Corey called up Harvard Law School complaining about Dershowitz and treatening to sue for libel based on Dershowitz’s criticisms of her handling of the case.
 
The whole incident seemed strange, and reflected conduct that should be off limits for any prosecutor and certainly for a senior prosecutor on a high profile case.
 
It appears, however, that the Dershowitz incident was no isolated incident.  According to Ron Littlepage, a columnist for the (Jacksonville) Florida Times-Union, Corey has done this several times before:
 

Last December when I wrote a column critical of how she handled the Cristian Fernandez case, she fired off a two-page, single-spaced letter on official state attorney letterhead hinting at lawsuits for libel.
 
In the letter, she called me out for my “lack of knowledge and objectivity about the workings of the criminal justice system.” Ouch. I think she called me stupid….
 
Then there’s Corey’s spat with Sandy D’Alemberte.
 
D’Alemberte is a former president of the American Bar Association, a former president of Florida State University and a law professor — not too shabby in the legal credentials department.
 
When Corey was appointed to head up the investigation into the shooting death of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman, D’Alemberte had this to say:
 
“I cannot imagine a worse choice for a prosecutor to serve in the Sanford case. There is nothing in Angela Corey’s background that suits her for the task, and she cannot command the respect of people who care about justice.”
 
Earlier, D’Alemberte had criticized Corey in the Fernandez case. The reaction then: A public records request from her office to FSU seeking all emails, text messages and phone messages involving D’Alemberte related to Fernandez.  ::snipping2:: 

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/06/zimmerman-prosecutor-has-history-of-going-after-critics/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 08, 2012, 01:34:24 PM

I would think you're entitled to stand your ground when you're on the bottom of a fight in which you are being pummeled and suffocated. I don't believe GZ approached TM with his gun pulled, or we would have heard TM say "don't shoot" instead of what he said.

I believe that TM went past GZ's car and then took off running. GZ pursued him,but could not keep up with a younger, lighter, longer legged TM. GZ gave up and was heading back to his car when TM doubled back and then approached TM. (should read TM doubled back and approached GZ)

If only, if only....... But, it happened and both men's actions may have contributed to the unfortunate outcome. I'm sorry if that angers anyone, but neither man acted in a vacuum. jmo

ooops, self correction.

ABsofrickenlutly and that should be the meat of the case/debate.  It could go either way.  If I felt I was being stalked.  If I was attacked.  If I saw a gun on said attacker/stalker/anyone.  All food for thought in a stand your ground case.  The lying is just unfortunate because it will go to credibility in what had the potential to be a no brainer stand your ground case with no guaranteed witnesses, imo.

In my state it used to be - drag them across the threshold and all is good.  Now I have the right to retreat; unless certain circumstances are present.  I can't even own a handgun in my state unless I have been a victim of certain types of crimes.....

It's the small chipping away of the rights that concern me. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 08, 2012, 03:44:46 PM
Almost 100 hear calls for healing at race forum in Sanford
June 8 '12

Nearly 100 residents gathered at the Sanford Civic Center on Thursday to hear a city commissioner, a pastor, a college president, the city's police chief and a pair of attorneys talk about race relations, civil rights, racial profiling and the Trayvon Martin shooting.

"This is a world that is full of very diverse people," said Falecia Williams, president of Valencia College's West Campus. "And it is a process of learning how to live with one another."

Williams moderated the forum, called "A Night of Healing." Speakers included Sanford commissioner Mark McCarty, immigration attorney Shahzad Ahmed, attorney Earnest DeLoach Jr., and Pastor DaRon Dixon of The Well of Hope church.

They talked about how the Feb. 26 shooting of Trayvon sparked a discussion of race relations in Sanford and throughout the country.

DeLoach described growing up in Daytona Beach as a black man in the 1960s and having to travel several miles south to use Bethune Beach.

"There was a physical demarcation line. You had to go the other side of town," DeLoach said. He urged residents to get involved in their community, raise money for political campaigns and even run for office if they want to see a change.

Dixon talked about being pulled over by a police officer in Florida years ago.

"He said: 'I'm looking for drugs, and we're checking people that look like you,' " Dixon said. "We must heal in Sanford, in Central Florida, in Florida and around this world today."

Sanford interim police chief Richard Myers, who is white, recalled being stopped by a state trooper while driving with a black friend while he was in college. The trooper walked up to his friend and asked him questions before leaving. Myers said his friend later told him: "Now you know what it's like being a black man in America."

"That made a huge impression on me," Myers said. "The real tragedy would be for us to miss the chance to honor a young life cut short."  ::snipping2:: 

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-08/news/os-trayvon-martin-sanford-race-forum-20120607_1_race-relations-sanford-civic-center-forum


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 08, 2012, 04:44:10 PM
Trayvon’s parents want to make America less violent
June 7 '12

As Chicago dealt with yet another deadly weekend of violence where 10 people were killed and nearly three dozen injured, the parents of slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin were in town to talk about the impact of gun violence on communities. Speaking at the national headquarters for the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton choked back tears as they told their story of being the parents of a murdered teen.

“As any of you know as parents, or family members of slain victims, to look at a crime scene photo, it’s very disturbing,” said Martin. “It was certainly very disturbing to see that picture of my son on the ground dead. That will be ingrained in my memory for the rest of my life.”
 
Trayvon’s father said he is even more disappointed that unlike the situation with his son, most Black males being killed are the victims of other Black males.
 
Trayvon, 17, was shot by neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman in February. Zimmerman is of mixed heritage. “While the race of the killer really does little to change anything when a person dies; because death is death, we should still be concerned when we look at the number of young Black men dying at the hands of their fellow brothers,” Martin said.
 
Fulton said every day is a struggle for her and Trayvon’s father and siblings. She said while the family has been in the public spotlight as a show of solidarity, in private they still are grieving Trayvon’s death like thousands of other families across the country who have lost loved ones. Fulton said she and Martin feel it is their duty as parents to keep Trayvon’s case in the public’s conscious to see that justice is done.
 
“We are the voice of Trayvon Martin…He’s not here to speak for himself so we as his parents have decided instead of sitting back and not doing anything, this is what we have decided to do, to help our community and to help other parents,” Fulton said.
 
She also added that all of America can play a role in reducing violence. Fulton said since her son’s death, she has heard from people from all communities who are outraged, not just the African American community. She said the outpouring of support has helped the family and she is trying to use that positive energy to make big changes in society’s behavior.
 
“I think for too long some people have looked at the violence in America as mostly an African American and Latino issue,” Fulton said. “I believe more people are seeing that violence is everywhere and you have to care about violence in other communities not just what is happening in your own neighborhood.” Trayvon’s parents, along with their attorney Benjamin Crump, participated in a forum about violence in the Black community. Crump said the solution to the problems facing the Black community will come from within and outside the community.
 
Nearly 30,000 people a year die as a result of gun violence in the United States, according to statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. An additional 100,000 people a year are injured, requiring emergency medical treatment and hospitalization, which contributes to the strain being put on public health agencies around the country.
 
“If it can happen to my son, it can happen to your son,” Crump said. “None of us are safe until all of us are safe.”
 
Fulton said she believes part of the problem of violence is racial profiling that takes place by police and by individuals like Zimmerman. She said she believes if her son was white, he would have never been followed by Zimmerman that night in Florida when Trayvon was killed. She said she believes Zimmerman followed Trayvon because of his race or what he was wearing, which led to the confrontation between the two that should have never ensued.  ::snipping2:: 

http://milwaukeecourieronline.com/index.php/2012/06/07/trayvons-parents-want-to-make-america-less-violent/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 08, 2012, 04:53:54 PM
Trayvon Martin Neighborhood Watch Shooting: 911 Tapes Send Mom Crying From Room
Edit to add article date.  MB March 16, 2012
Police recordings made the night a self-appointed neighborhood watch captain allegedly shot and killed an unarmed 17-year-old boy outside his stepmother's home sent the boy's mother screaming from the room and prompted his father to declare, "He killed my son," according to a family representative.
 
The series of emergency and non-emergency calls to police depict the apparent progression of events on Feb. 26 that led to the watch captain, George Zimmerman, 28, who is white, allegedly shooting Trayvon Martin, a high-school junior who is black, as the teen made his way home with a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea.
 
The contents of the calls and the family's reaction to them were recounted to ABC News by a representative of the boy's family, Ryan Julison, and ABC News affiliate WFTV published excerpts from the 911 calls.
 
On one call to a non-emergency dispatch number, according to Julison, Zimmerman says, "He's checking me out," and then, "This guy looks like he's on drugs, he's definitely messed up."  ::snipping2::  

http://abcnews.go.com/US/treyvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-shooting-911-tapes-send/story?id=15937881

Video at link


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 08, 2012, 05:59:40 PM
Trayvon Martin Neighborhood Watch Shooting: 911 Tapes Send Mom Crying From Room
Edit to add article date.  MB March 16, 2012
Police recordings made the night a self-appointed neighborhood watch captain allegedly shot and killed an unarmed 17-year-old boy outside his stepmother's home sent the boy's mother screaming from the room and prompted his father to declare, "He killed my son," according to a family representative.
 
The series of emergency and non-emergency calls to police depict the apparent progression of events on Feb. 26 that led to the watch captain, George Zimmerman, 28, who is white, allegedly shooting Trayvon Martin, a high-school junior who is black, as the teen made his way home with a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea.
 
The contents of the calls and the family's reaction to them were recounted to ABC News by a representative of the boy's family, Ryan Julison, and ABC News affiliate WFTV published excerpts from the 911 calls.
 
On one call to a non-emergency dispatch number, according to Julison, Zimmerman says, "He's checking me out," and then, "This guy looks like he's on drugs, he's definitely messed up."  ::snipping2::  

http://abcnews.go.com/US/treyvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-shooting-911-tapes-send/story?id=15937881

Video at link

Sorry Muffy. Didn't notice the date on the article til after it was posted, it was posted today on a website...thought it was current.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: MuffyBee on June 08, 2012, 06:23:33 PM
The date wasn't readily apparent in the article as some are and I had to look for it. You see, this is one of the reasons why it's important to include the date with the article link.   ::MonkeyWink::  All articles posted should have the date of the article along with the link even if the article was published today.  It's valuable information for research and when we go go update. Thank you ::bee::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 08, 2012, 07:21:01 PM
Exclusive – Prosecutor Angela Corey letter claiming libel by Florida Times Union
June 8 '12

Angela Corey is the special prosecutor in the George Zimmerman case.
 
Yesterday, Alan Dershowitz alleged that Corey threatened to sue for libel based on Dershowitz’s criticisms of Corey’s handling of the Zimmerman case, particularly the decision to charge 2nd Degree murder and the alleged failure to disclose material facts in the Affidavit of Probable Cause submitted to the court.
 
Corey also is the lead prosecutor in the prosecution of a 12 year old, Cristian Fernandez, for murder under adult laws.  The Fernandez case has generated much controversy, and resulted in a column by Ron Littlepage of the Florida Times Union on December 7, 2011, Angela Corey plays a two-faced game.
 
In response, on December 15, 2011, Corey sent a letter on state letterhead as an e-mail attachment to Frank Denton, Editor, and several other people, claiming that Corey had been libeled and defending her actions in the Fernandez case.
 
The letter is embedded at the bottom of this post, here is the opening paragraph (emphasis mine):
 

It is truly appalling that you would allow the opinion writer to enlist your publication to further expose his lack of knowledge and objectivity about the workings of the criminal justice system. In this case, as in numerous prior instances, he has shown his usual bias and rendered a wholly uninformed opinion. However, this time he has crossed the journalistic line and in the minds of many, he has committed libel. How sad that you and editorial staff were completely complicit with these actions. It is one thing to criticize a public official…some even believe it is expected. It is nothing short of libelous to call me or any lawyer in my office “unethical” when we are doing our jobs within the bounds of the law on an extremely complicated case. It grants no pardon that you were repeating what ”those in the legal community” told you. In fact, those lawyers are bound by rules of ethics which strictly prohibit them from saying that very thing. Having their friend publish it for them does not absolve them of their ethical obligations; it merely makes them cowards who have violated the Professional Code of Ethics….  ::snipping2:: 

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/06/exclusive-prosecutor-angela-corey-letter-claiming-libel-by-florida-times-union/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: theboyzmom on June 08, 2012, 09:35:47 PM
Trayvon Martin's parents to deliver petition at stand-your-ground meeting

June 7, 2012|
By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel


The parents of Trayvon Martin will deliver a 340,000-signature petition next week during the first public meeting of the task force reviewing Florida's stand-your-ground law, according to a national group which opposes such laws.

Trayvon, a 17-year-old from Miami Gardens, was fatally shot Feb. 26 in Sanford. The shooter, George Zimmerman, was not initially arrested because police said they couldn't disprove his self-defense claim under the controversial law.

The law allows the use of deadly force to prevent death or great bodily injury. It did away with the requirement that a person attempt to retreat from a conflict before using force, and critics say it encourages people to "shoot first."

Gov. Rick Scott created the Citizen Safety and Protection Task Force amid outrage over the teenager's death. Its first public meeting will be held Tuesday at Northland Church in Longwood, kicking off a statewide tour of hearings.

The teen's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, will deliver a petition "calling for reform or repeal" of the law about noon, according to Second Chance on Shoot First, a coalition which combats stand-your-ground legislation.

Central Florida Urban League President Allie Braswell is also expected to attend. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and New York CityMayor Michael Bloomberg are among the group's supporters.   ::snipping2:: 


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-07/news/os-trayvon-martin-stand-your-ground-petition-20120607_1_stand-your-ground-law-deadly-force-petition

I wonder if the parents realize that reform of this law would make what TM did (assuming he was defending himself - which I do not believe) illegal? TM would have likely killed GZ if you believe that he was on top and smashing GZ head into the ground.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on June 08, 2012, 10:09:11 PM
Trayvon’s parents want to make America less violent
June 7 '12

As Chicago dealt with yet another deadly weekend of violence where 10 people were killed and nearly three dozen injured, the parents of slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin were in town to talk about the impact of gun violence on communities. Speaking at the national headquarters for the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton choked back tears as they told their story of being the parents of a murdered teen.

“As any of you know as parents, or family members of slain victims, to look at a crime scene photo, it’s very disturbing,” said Martin. “It was certainly very disturbing to see that picture of my son on the ground dead. That will be ingrained in my memory for the rest of my life.”
 
Trayvon’s father said he is even more disappointed that unlike the situation with his son, most Black males being killed are the victims of other Black males.
 
Trayvon, 17, was shot by neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman in February. Zimmerman is of mixed heritage. “While the race of the killer really does little to change anything when a person dies; because death is death, we should still be concerned when we look at the number of young Black men dying at the hands of their fellow brothers,” Martin said.
 
Fulton said every day is a struggle for her and Trayvon’s father and siblings. She said while the family has been in the public spotlight as a show of solidarity, in private they still are grieving Trayvon’s death like thousands of other families across the country who have lost loved ones. Fulton said she and Martin feel it is their duty as parents to keep Trayvon’s case in the public’s conscious to see that justice is done.
 
“We are the voice of Trayvon Martin…He’s not here to speak for himself so we as his parents have decided instead of sitting back and not doing anything, this is what we have decided to do, to help our community and to help other parents,” Fulton said.
 
She also added that all of America can play a role in reducing violence. Fulton said since her son’s death, she has heard from people from all communities who are outraged, not just the African American community. She said the outpouring of support has helped the family and she is trying to use that positive energy to make big changes in society’s behavior.
 
“I think for too long some people have looked at the violence in America as mostly an African American and Latino issue,” Fulton said. “I believe more people are seeing that violence is everywhere and you have to care about violence in other communities not just what is happening in your own neighborhood.” Trayvon’s parents, along with their attorney Benjamin Crump, participated in a forum about violence in the Black community. Crump said the solution to the problems facing the Black community will come from within and outside the community.
 
Nearly 30,000 people a year die as a result of gun violence in the United States, according to statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. An additional 100,000 people a year are injured, requiring emergency medical treatment and hospitalization, which contributes to the strain being put on public health agencies around the country.
 
“If it can happen to my son, it can happen to your son,” Crump said. “None of us are safe until all of us are safe.”
 
Fulton said she believes part of the problem of violence is racial profiling that takes place by police and by individuals like Zimmerman. She said she believes if her son was white, he would have never been followed by Zimmerman that night in Florida when Trayvon was killed. She said she believes Zimmerman followed Trayvon because of his race or what he was wearing, which led to the confrontation between the two that should have never ensued.  ::snipping2:: 

http://milwaukeecourieronline.com/index.php/2012/06/07/trayvons-parents-want-to-make-america-less-violent/

I don't know what to think of this.  It sounds a little bit like trying to rehabilitate Sabrina's and Tracy's image from racist pot stirrers into save our children champions with TM the poster boy for all teenagers
who died in violent ways.  I don't buy it.

If they were only concerned with teenagers who died deaths due to unnecessary violence, why all the whitewashing of TM's character?  Why did they allow Sharpton, Jackson and the New Black Panthers to stir the racial pot?

Don't get me wrong.  I think the issue of teenagers dying from violence at each others hands needs to be addressed.  But this isn't what this case is about.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on June 08, 2012, 11:32:45 PM
http://www.wjhg.com/news/headlines/Stand_Your_Ground_Task_Force_Meeting_Tuesday_158213695.html?ref=695

Posted: 3:34 PM Jun 8, 2012
Stand Your Ground Task Force Meeting Tuesday

The 17-member Stand Your Ground Task Force is going to Ground Zero. It will meet Tuesday in Longwood, 12 miles from the gated subdivision where Trayvon Martin died. Lt. Governor Jennifer Carroll says the location is not a coincidence.

“The situation with Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman occurred there. It’s a matter of healing too, because I don’t believe that the citizens have had an opportunity to really voice their opinion,” said Lt. Governor Carroll.

Since the task force’s initial meeting on May 1st, a web site has received more than 1700 emails. Most are pro gun.
 ::snipping2::

Of the 25 messages available online Friday, only one, from a Manatee County woman, suggested the law needed fixing and that the concealed carry law needed to be eliminated.

The Lieutenant Governor is one of four task force members who voted for the initial legislation. She says the final task force recommendation will be based on hard data, now being collected by the College of Law at the University of Florida.

“So we’ll be able to get statistical data back to the task force to show whether we have fairness,” said Lt. Governor Carroll.

The Task Force’s recommendation isn’t expected until early next year.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on June 08, 2012, 11:52:18 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/08/usa-florida-shooting-phone-idUSL1E8H8DZN20120608

Florida man seeks damages after getting killer's number
Fri Jun 8, 2012 5:32pm EDT

 ::snipping2::
ORLANDO, Fla., June 8 (Reuters) - A Florida man said on Friday he feared for his life after receiving a rash of threatening calls on a new cell phone he got with a number previously used by the killer of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin.

Lawyer Robert Trimble said he was seeking unspecified damages for his client, former convict Junior Alexander Guy, from cellphone provider T-Mobile for the flood of enraged calls and death threats he got over the phone.

Trimble and Guy said Guy purchased the phone -- the first he had ever owned -- after being released from serving more than 19 years in prison for drug trafficking.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2012, 12:08:53 AM
Please make it a habit of copying the date of the article along with the headline and when posting a snippet and the link.  Often the date is very important! 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: kcrn on June 09, 2012, 11:29:40 AM
Trayvon’s parents want to make America less violent
June 7 '12

As Chicago dealt with yet another deadly weekend of violence where 10 people were killed and nearly three dozen injured, the parents of slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin were in town to talk about the impact of gun violence on communities. Speaking at the national hyeadquarters for the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton choked back tears as they told their story of being the parents of a murdered teen.

“As any of you know as parents, or family members of slain victims, to look at a crime scene photo, it’s very disturbing,” said Martin. “It was certainly very disturbing to see that picture of my son on the ground dead. That will be ingrained in my memory for the rest of my life.”
 
Trayvon’s father said he is even more disappointed that unlike the situation with his son, most Black males being killed are the victims of other Black males.
 
Trayvon, 17, was shot by neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman in February. Zimmerman is of mixed heritage. “While the race of the killer really does little to change anything when a person dies; because death is death, we should still be concerned when we look at the number of young Black men dying at the hands of their fellow brothers,” Martin said.
 
Fulton said every day is a struggle for her and Trayvon’s father and siblings. She said while the family has been in the public spotlight as a show of solidarity, in private they still are grieving Trayvon’s death like thousands of other families across the country who have lost loved ones. Fulton said she and Martin feel it is their duty as parents to keep Trayvon’s case in the public’s conscious to see that justice is done.
 
“We are the voice of Trayvon Martin…He’s not here to speak for himself so we as his parents have decided instead of sitting back and not doing anything, this is what we have decided to do, to help our community and to help other parents,” Fulton said.
 
She also added that all of America can play a role in reducing violence. Fulton said since her son’s death, she has heard from people from all communities who are outraged, not just the African American community. She said the outpouring of support has helped the family and she is trying to use that positive energy to make big changes in society’s behavior.
 
“I think for too long some people have looked at the violence in America as mostly an African American and Latino issue,” Fulton said. “I believe more people are seeing that violence is everywhere and you have to care about violence in other communities not just what is happening in your own neighborhood.” Trayvon’s parents, along with their attorney Benjamin Crump, participated in a forum about violence in the Black community. Crump said the solution to the problems facing the Black community will come from within and outside the community.
 
Nearly 30,000 people a year die as a result of gun violence in the United States, according to statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. An additional 100,000 people a year are injured, requiring emergency medical treatment and hospitalization, which contributes to the strain being put on public health agencies around the country.
 
“If it can happen to my son, it can happen to your son,” Crump said. “None of us are safe until all of us are safe.”
 
Fulton said she believes part of the problem of violence is racial profiling that takes place by police and by individuals like Zimmerman. She said she believes if her son was white, he would have never been followed by Zimmerman that night in Florida when Trayvon was killed. She said she believes Zimmerman followed Trayvon because of his race or what he was wearing, which led to the confrontation between the two that should have never ensued.  ::snipping2:: 

http://milwaukeecourieronline.com/index.php/2012/06/07/trayvons-parents-want-to-make-america-less-violent/

I don't know what to think of this.  It sounds a little bit like trying to rehabilitate Sabrina's and Tracy's image from racist pot stirrers into save our children champions with TM the poster boy for all teenagers
who died in violent ways.  I don't buy it.

If they were only concerned with teenagers who died deaths due to unnecessary violence, why all the whitewashing of TM's character?  Why did they allow Sharpton, Jackson and the New Black Panthers to stir the racial pot?

Don't get me wrong.  I think the issue of teenagers dying from violence at each others hands needs to be addressed.  But this isn't what this case is about.

agree with u & also dont know this mother can state as if it were fact that if her son was not black that this would not have occured. Just a way to continue with making this all about race. I refuse to believe it considering  gz history of support of blacks & his own minority background. Again, he made wrong choices by pursuing this kid, but i dont think he was out to kill a black kid that night. Jmo


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on June 09, 2012, 02:50:18 PM
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2012/06/five_stand_your_ground_cases_y.html

Five 'Stand Your Ground' cases you should know about
Published: Friday, June 08, 2012, 2:14 PM     Updated: Friday, June 08, 2012, 5:56 PM

The Stand Your Ground law is most widely associated with the Feb. 26 shooting death of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old killed in Florida by George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain who claimed he was acting in self-defense.

But as a recent Tampa Bay Times investigation indicates, the Martin incident is far from the only example of the law's reach in Florida. The paper identified nearly 200 instances since 2005 where the state's Stand Your Ground law has played a factor in prosecutors' decisions, jury acquittals or a judge's call to throw out the charges. (Not all the cases involved killings. Some involved assaults where the person didn't die.)

The law removes a person's duty to retreat before using deadly force against another in any place he has the legal right to be – so long as he reasonably believed he or someone else faced imminent death or great bodily harm. Among the Stand Your Ground cases identified by the paper, defendants went free nearly 70 percent of the time.

Although Florida was the first to enact a Stand Your Ground law, 24 other states enforce similar versions. Using the Tampa Bay findings and others, we've highlighted some of the most notable cases where a version of the Stand Your Ground law has led to freedom from criminal prosecution:
 ::snipping2::
· In January, a judge in Miami tossed out a second-degree murder charge against Greyston Garcia after he chased a suspected burglar for more than a block and stabbed him to death. The judge decided the stabbing was justified because the burglar had swung a bag of stolen car radios at Garcia – an object that a medical examiner at a hearing testified could cause "serious harm or death." The judge found Garcia was "well within his rights to pursue the victim and demand the return of his property."


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 09, 2012, 04:32:08 PM
June 9, 2012
The Lynching of George Zimmerman

George Zimmerman's public image took a blow when a judge revoked his bond, alleging that Zimmerman willfully misled the court concerning his financial situation.  The fact that he's back in jail makes him appear guilty in the public's eye, and that's what matters.  Whether or not Zimmerman misled the court is immaterial.  In fact, his guilt or innocence is immaterial.  His trial has transcended justice; it's now about capitalizing on opportunity.
 
Zimmerman has maintained since day one that Trayvon Martin instigated their fatal confrontation.  Zimmerman's various injuries coupled with autopsy results revealing Martin's injured knuckles tend to support his story.  That evidence might be the reason why he wasn't charged immediately after the shooting.  Yet he remains guilty until proven innocent in the eyes of many, including the federal government and national media.
 
Could there be an orchestrated campaign between government and media entities to see this man imprisoned, or even executed?  Despite the physical evidence of which we're aware, an apparent lack of credible witnesses on either side of the case, and expert legal opinion belittling Florida's case against Zimmerman, the FBI has launched a hate crime investigation against him.  And it could stick.
 
We might logically believe that the Fifth Amendment's protection against double jeopardy would compel the Justice Department to abandon the case if Zimmerman is acquitted.  Not necessarily.  According to Cleveland State Professor Jonathan Witmer-Rich, Supreme Court precedent has established a narrow threshold for claiming double jeopardy.  "The double jeopardy clause would not prohibit a federal prosecution of Mr. Zimmerman, even if he were acquitted in Florida state court," Prof. Rich states, although he believes that the likelihood of federal prosecution following a state acquittal is small.
 
However, FBI involvement means Department of Justice involvement, which in turn means Eric Holder involvement.  Mr. Holder's idea of judicial impartiality is, shall we say, conflicted.
 
Under Holder's management, the Justice Department engaged in a gun-running operation that if done privately would've sent all involved parties to the darkest of prisons.  Imagine you or me being caught smuggling weapons to Mexican drug lords and coercing legitimate domestic firearms dealers to participate.  And Holder's disregard for justice doesn't end there, nor does the media's capitulation.
 
Not content to simply ignore the New Black Panthers' voter intimidation efforts, Holder closed the ongoing investigation.  Neither he nor his predecessor investigated a hate crime when five blacks kidnapped, raped, tortured, murdered, and mutilated Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome.  There was no national outrage and no political speechifying.  Christian's and Newsome's brutal deaths barely registered with the national media.
 
For example, a search for "Channon Christian" on the New York Times website returned only 53 results, just three of which addressed the murdered woman.  Two of those stories were duplicates, and the third a synopsis of a television show that reviewed the crime.  In other words, the New York Times all but ignored Channon Christian's death.  Conversely, a "Trayvon Martin" search yields more than 4,000 results.  ::snipping2:: 

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/the_lynching_of_george_zimmerman.html#ixzz1xKVXRVlK


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: alagary on June 09, 2012, 05:08:59 PM
I dont want to make a big quote stack so I'm refering to gracelands article at 1:50
I keep a loaded 12 gauge by the door and walk out with it every time it's an ummarked unfamiliar vehicle. My nearest neighbor is over 3/4 of a mile away and I have a dead end driveway.
Where I am going is that none of the examples in that article should fit Stand Your Ground . Dope deals , fleeing thieves. and drunk lost kids are not targets.
A good and needed law is being made a mockery of by every yahoo that gets their panties in a wad.
I propose a new law "Stand Your Ground But Use Some Common Sense"  

Here's a link to grace-land's post.  MB  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12964.msg1528692#msg1528692


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on June 09, 2012, 07:31:33 PM
I dont want to make a big quote stack so I'm refering to gracelands article at 1:50
I keep a loaded 12 gauge by the door and walk out with it every time it's an ummarked unfamiliar vehicle. My nearest neighbor is over 3/4 of a mile away and I have a dead end driveway.
Where I am going is that none of the examples in that article should fit Stand Your Ground . Dope deals , fleeing thieves. and drunk lost kids are not targets.
A good and needed law is being made a mockery of by every yahoo that gets their panties in a wad.
I propose a new law "Stand Your Ground But Use Some Common Sense"  

Here's a link to grace-land's post.  MB  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12964.msg1528692#msg1528692

In Marietta, GA and in some places in LA, there are ordinances requiring citizens to own guns!

You and everyone else have the right to own a gun and protect you and yours. The BOR provides us with that right.

I learned in gun safety school:  Don't pull a gun, unless you intend on using it!  And for the women:  shoot right thru the handbag.  The handbag can be replaced - you can't.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: seahorse on June 09, 2012, 07:35:06 PM
This is been bugging me :)

How does a guest enter the grounds, of where GZ and Mr. Martin and his grillfriend lived?

I mean, if I was invited to dinner at a home in a gated community, how the fudge do I
enter?  I am not Casper the Ghost. Did Mr. Martin know his son was on the way for a visit?

Did TM mum call the dad and say, sonny is on his way, wait for him by the gate?

If TM daddy knew his son was coming for a visit, why was he not there to meet and greet him at the gate?  What was the system prior?  If TM dad met his son, there none of this would have occurred! IMO

I am not in GZ corner (by any means), really the opposite. In all fairness, this BS would not
have happened, if someone was or if everyone, was MORE responsible


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Toler on June 09, 2012, 09:18:28 PM
The driving distance from Miami, Florida to Sanford, Florida is:

245 miles / 394 km

 I was wondering how TM made the trip from Miami to Sanford?





 



 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on June 10, 2012, 01:19:18 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-stand-your-ground-20120610,0,1514274.story

Florida's 'stand your ground' immunity hearings are unique
June 10, 2012

ORLAND0, Fla. — The nation's fixation on the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin has led many to question whether an impartial jury could be found for the trial of his killer, George Zimmerman.

But it's possible a judge, not a jury, will decide Zimmerman's fate. Zimmerman says he fired in self-defense, and many expect his lawyers will eventually ask for an immunity hearing under Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law.

Often described as a "minitrial" in which the judge serves as jury, such hearings are unlike other criminal justice proceedings.

The lawyers' roles are reversed, the burden of proof is low and the stakes couldn't be higher.

"If the judge dismisses the case, it's game over," says Eric Schwartzreich, a Fort Lauderdale attorney who has represented multiple "stand your ground" defendants since the law was passed in 2005.

Since Martin's shooting in Sanford, the law has been the subject of renewed debate. A task force created by Florida Gov. Rick Scott to reexamine "stand your ground" will hold its first public meeting this week.

The law allows civilians to use deadly force anywhere they're legally allowed to be, so long as they are not committing a crime and have a reasonable fear of death or serious injury.

When a defense lawyer files a motion for "stand your ground" immunity, a hearing is held that resembles a trial: Witnesses are called and cross-examined, evidence is introduced and lawyers make arguments.

"You basically have a trial before the trial," Jacksonville attorney Kevin Cobbin said.

The verdict is up to the judge. And because the burden to prove "stand your ground" is on the defense, the lawyers' traditional roles are flipped, with the defense on the offensive.

At least in theory, the defense doesn't have much to prove.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: jamcakes on June 10, 2012, 11:18:58 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-stand-your-ground-20120610,0,1514274.story

Florida's 'stand your ground' immunity hearings are unique
June 10, 2012

ORLAND0, Fla. — The nation's fixation on the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin has led many to question whether an impartial jury could be found for the trial of his killer, George Zimmerman.

But it's possible a judge, not a jury, will decide Zimmerman's fate. Zimmerman says he fired in self-defense, and many expect his lawyers will eventually ask for an immunity hearing under Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law.

Often described as a "minitrial" in which the judge serves as jury, such hearings are unlike other criminal justice proceedings.

The lawyers' roles are reversed, the burden of proof is low and the stakes couldn't be higher.

"If the judge dismisses the case, it's game over," says Eric Schwartzreich, a Fort Lauderdale attorney who has represented multiple "stand your ground" defendants since the law was passed in 2005.

Since Martin's shooting in Sanford, the law has been the subject of renewed debate. A task force created by Florida Gov. Rick Scott to reexamine "stand your ground" will hold its first public meeting this week.

The law allows civilians to use deadly force anywhere they're legally allowed to be, so long as they are not committing a crime and have a reasonable fear of death or serious injury.

When a defense lawyer files a motion for "stand your ground" immunity, a hearing is held that resembles a trial: Witnesses are called and cross-examined, evidence is introduced and lawyers make arguments.

"You basically have a trial before the trial," Jacksonville attorney Kevin Cobbin said.

The verdict is up to the judge. And because the burden to prove "stand your ground" is on the defense, the lawyerones' traditional roles are flipped, with the defense on the offensive.

At least in theory, the defense doesn't have much to prove.
 ::snipping2::


That's a lot of pressure on one judge to interpret the law impartially and apolitically.  Here's where the USA could use a panel of judges.  I feel sorry for the lone judge - no matter what he decides, he already has a nation full of dissenters.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: grace-land on June 10, 2012, 12:03:53 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-10/news/os-george-zimmerman-stand-your-ground-20120608_1_impartial-jury-immunity-hearing-defense-lawyers

Will jury, or judge, decide George Zimmerman's fate?
June 10, 2012

 ::snipping2::
Credibility is key

Zimmerman is being held without bond in the Seminole County Jail on a second-degree-murder charge for the Feb. 26 shooting death of Trayvon in Sanford.

Zimmerman's lawyers haven't yet asked for an immunity hearing under "stand your ground," but other attorneys say it's typical to wait until closer to trial. The defense needs to see the evidence and interview witnesses.

"You've got to prepare for it like you're getting ready for trial," Buonauro said.

There are also risks to asking for immunity: The hearing gives the state a preview of the defense's trial strategy. And if a defendant testifies to something damaging, it's likely to reappear at trial.

The outcome rests on the judge, who typically has a much greater legal understanding than a typical juror. Buonauro said most self-defense cases aren't overly complex, but the judge's experience can play a factor.

"I think where the judge's perspective comes in is their experience in being able to weigh and determine credibility," Buonauro said. And the defendant's credibility, he said, is critical.

In Zimmerman's case, a "stand your ground" claim would rest in the hands of Judge Kenneth Lester, the same judge who just threw Zimmerman back in jail after determining he misled the court about his finances.

Lawyers agree it's likely that Zimmerman would testify if there's an immunity hearing. Whether the judge would believe him remains to be seen.

"If a jury is told to weigh the credibility of witnesses, then the judge should have that same duty," Cobbin said. "The judge should definitely weight the credibility of every witness that comes forward."


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #2 5/10/12 - 7/12/12
Post by: Amys Sister on June 10, 2012, 01:54:47 PM
I don't personally feel George is a minority.  He's half white and half white Peruvian.  All latino nations have whites and blacks.  George is a half caucasion (bio father) and half white latino (bio mother), as am I except my latino side is Puerto Rican.  I am a similar color as George (olive complexion) but I don't consider myself a minority particularly to the extent that I could never be considered unable to maintain prejudism against black people.

Just think of the precedent we are setting should GZ be found innocent:
If you are engaged in a fight and the other person is armed they are entitled to kill you unless you lose the fight and let them have the upper hand and even then they can lie and state they were in fear of their life so they chose to kill you.  Even if they have started the fight and you were protecting