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Missing Persons - High Profile => Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6 yrs old missing 4/21/12 Tucson, AZ (Body Found) => Topic started by: San on April 21, 2012, 07:17:02 PM



Title: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: San on April 21, 2012, 07:17:02 PM
Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl

April 21, 2012 07:05 PM EST | AP

TUCSON, Ariz. — Tucson police have been joined by FBI agents and a large contingent of deputy U.S. Marshals as they search for a 6-year-old girl who went missing from her house.

Isabel Mercedes Celis was last seen by her parents late Friday and they discovered her missing at about 8 a.m. Saturday.

Sgt. Maria Hawke says police are searching the area of the Arizona city around East Broadway Boulevard and Craycroft Road using street patrols, canines, detectives and a helicopter.

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Read More:  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120421/us-tucson-missing-girl/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: San on April 21, 2012, 07:24:52 PM
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TUCSON, AZ - Tucson police are searching for a 6-year-old girl who went missing from her home on the city's east side.

Isabel Mercedes Celis was last seen late Friday and discovered to be missing at about 8 a.m. Saturday.

Sgt. Maria Hawke says police are searching the area around East Broadway Boulevard and Craycroft Road using street patrols, canines, detectives and a helicopter.

She's described as just under 4-feet-tall and weighing 44 pounds, with brown hair and hazel eyes.

Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_central_southern_az/tucson/tucson-police-search-for-missing-6-year-old-girl#ixzz1sihnWeHx



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: San on April 21, 2012, 07:31:26 PM

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Posted: Apr 21, 2012 1:51 PM EDT Updated: Apr 21, 2012 7:19 PM EDT

By James Bennett - email
By Phillip Matthews - email
 
Isabel Celis, who is 6 years old, police say, is missing from a residence in the 5700 block of East 12th Street. Isabel Celis, who is 6 years old, police say, is missing from a residence in the 5700 block of East 12th Street.

Tucson Police closed East 12th Street near Park Place Mall Saturday as they searched for a missing little girl.

Police say 6-year-old Isabel Celis, weighs 44 pounds and is 3-foot-8 inches tall. She has brown hair and hazel eyes.

She was reported missing from her home in the 5700 block of East 12th Street, Tucson Police Sgt. Maria Hawke said.

The girl went to bed at 11 p.m. Friday, her father told police. When he went into her bedroom at 8 a.m. Saturday, he found her missing and called police.


http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/17649225/tucson-police-search-for-missing-little-girl


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on April 21, 2012, 08:01:17 PM
Hmmmm...another sad case coming up....sigh




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2012, 08:26:50 PM
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Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2012, 08:27:44 PM
Yes Cookie, this doesn't sound good at all.  What a beautiful child.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2012, 08:33:27 PM
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/17649225/tucson-police-search-for-missing-little-girl (http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/17649225/tucson-police-search-for-missing-little-girl)

6-year-old Tucson girl missing from home


Posted: Apr 21, 2012 10:51 AM PDT
Updated: Apr 21, 2012 4:25 PM PDT
By James Bennett - email
By Phillip Matthews - email
 

Isabel Celis, who is 6 years old, police say, is missing from a residence in the 5700 block of East 12th Street.


Tucson Police closed East 12th Street near Park Place Mall Saturday as they searched for a missing little girl.

Police say 6-year-old Isabel Celis, weighs 44 pounds and is 3-foot-8 inches tall. She has brown hair and hazel eyes. She is missing one bottom and top tooth.
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Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Red on April 21, 2012, 08:33:37 PM
6 Year Old Isabel Mercedes Celis Missing Since 4/20/12 in Tucson, AZ

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/04/21/6-year-old-isabel-mercedes-celis-missing-since-42012-in-tucson-az/

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Six year old Isabel Mercedes Celis has been missing since Friday, April 20, 2012 in Tucson, Arizona. Isabel Mercedes Celis is reported to have gone missing from her home. She was last seen by her parents at 11 pm Friday night; they later discovered the girl was missing at 8 Am Saturday morning. Police are investigating all possibilities including whether she just wandered away from her home or is she was kidnapped or abducted.

These disappearances from one's homes are so suspect. It takes a truly brazen individual to actually enter one's home and take a child. I wonder when the last time anyone other than the parents saw the child? Hate to say it.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2012, 08:38:59 PM
I agree Red


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Red on April 21, 2012, 08:48:31 PM

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/04/21/6-year-old-isabel-mercedes-celis-missing-since-42012-in-tucson-az/

UPDATE I: According to AZ Sex Offender Registry there are 17 registered sex offenders within 3 miles of the missing girls home.

http://tinyurl.com/7s6b2u6


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 21, 2012, 11:50:43 PM
FBI launch search for six-year-old girl who went missing from her bed overnight as police say she could be kidnap victim

Police and FBI agents have launched a desperate search in Arizona for a six-year-old girl who disappeared from her bed on Friday night.

They fear that Isabel Mercedes Celis might have been kidnapped, but officials say she could have run away from home instead

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133386/FBI-launch-search-year-old-girl-went-missing-bed-overnight-police-say-kidnap-victim.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 21, 2012, 11:52:42 PM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133386/FBI-launch-search-year-old-girl-went-missing-bed-overnight-police-say-kidnap-victim.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 21, 2012, 11:54:06 PM
So, how did she get out?  Was the window open?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 22, 2012, 12:39:04 AM
Hmmmm...another sad case coming up....sigh


yes small children going missing,from home in the night,seems to be a regular
occurrence these days
this RSO lives 5 houses, away from the 5701 E 12th,addy red posted

Michael C Dimitrov
5632 E 12th St
Tucson, AZ 85711
See Map Below
Race: W Age: 34 Sex: M
Height: 510 Weight: 200 
Eyes: BRO Hair: BRO 
Risk Level: 3 High
Offense(s): ATT SEX ASSAULT/RAPE
Convicting Jurisdiction: MARICOPA CO SUP CRT, AZ
http://az.gov/app/sows/SowsOffenders.xhtml;jsessionid=A79F4888BC01844F6C2BD9969747C849?sowsOffendersId=042917&orderS=name+asc&orderD=name+asc&cid=329416

map
http://g.co/maps/n96kr


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 22, 2012, 12:54:57 AM
BBM i knew that name sounded familiar,if that was my name i think i would
change it ir shorten it
http://nymag.com/news/features/22326/

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'We're really surprised or shocked that anything like this could happen to our family,' the girl's uncle, Justin Mastromarino, told the television station.

Police spokesman Maria Hawke said investigators were looking into all potential scenarios, including the possibility that Isabel got up and wandered out of the home she shares with her parents and two brothers or that she was kidnapped.

Investigators also were examining every door and window of the house for signs of a break-in, Ms Hawke said.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133386/FBI-launch-search-year-old-girl-went-missing-bed-overnight-police-say-kidnap-victim.html#ixzz1sk1OGmJu


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Amys Sister on April 22, 2012, 02:07:23 AM

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/04/21/6-year-old-isabel-mercedes-celis-missing-since-42012-in-tucson-az/

UPDATE I: According to AZ Sex Offender Registry there are 17 registered sex offenders within 3 miles of the missing girls home.

http://tinyurl.com/7s6b2u6


Holy heck... that's a lot of offenders for such a small area.  My house would be on lock down and my kids would never leave my sight if I lived there.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cartfly on April 22, 2012, 02:32:15 AM
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Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cartfly on April 22, 2012, 02:39:12 AM
So, how did she get out?  Was the window open?
I came across this Kitty:

6-Year-old girl still missing; search continues

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Reporter: Tammy Vo

TUCSON (KGUN9-TV) - Concern for a missing little girl mounts as authorities continue to try and find her. The search will continue as long as the child remains missing. The FBI and US Marshals are assisting the Tucson Police Department in the search; the Department of Corrections is providing canine search units. Family, friends and co-workers of the little girl are canvassing the outskirts of Tucson with fliers.

It all began early Saturday morning at a home in the 5600 block of East 12th Street, near Broadway Boulevard and Craycroft Road. Tucson police state Isabel Mercedes Celis disappeared from her bedroom, where her family discovered her missing around 8 a.m., and found what they describe as an open, pushed-up window in their daughter's bedroom.
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 http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/148384415.html (http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/148384415.html)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 22, 2012, 07:53:19 AM

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/04/21/6-year-old-isabel-mercedes-celis-missing-since-42012-in-tucson-az/

UPDATE I: According to AZ Sex Offender Registry there are 17 registered sex offenders within 3 miles of the missing girls home.

http://tinyurl.com/7s6b2u6


Holy heck... that's a lot of offenders for such a small area.  My house would be on lock down and my kids would never leave my sight if I lived there.

I know, I am constantly checking on my phone app what sex offenders are around and EVERY night I go around and check each window and door to ensure that they are locked.  My kids are 13, 12, 10 and they just don't understand why I won't let them go to the park by themselves (which is only about a half a block down the street).  I guess it's because I read here and see what CAN happen.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on April 22, 2012, 10:31:13 AM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/police-call-missing-girl-case-suspicious/
Police call missing girl case suspicious
April 21, 2012

TUCSON - Police are calling the disappearance of a 6-year-old girl a "suspicious disappearance" or "possible abduction," according to Sgt. Maria Hawke with the Tucson Police Department.

It became less likely the girl wandered off as it got later in the day, according to Hawke.
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Detectives are investigating if anybody broke into the home.

Police searched the neighborhood all day Saturday and served multiple warrants.

Blood hounds from the Department of Corrections helped.

Several agencies were involved, including US Marshalls, the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff's Department.

Police have many leads and plan on working well into Sunday morning, according to Hawke.



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on April 22, 2012, 10:35:01 AM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/04/21/national/a160551D94.DTL&tsp=1
Searchers scour Tucson for missing 6-year-old girl
April 22, 2012

Law officers searched Tucson areas early Sunday for a 6-year-old Arizona girl who was reported missing from her bedroom, a disappearance that police are calling suspicious and a possible kidnapping.
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After a fruitless day of searching Saturday, numerous patrol and search and rescue personnel continued the hunt Sunday morning, Hawke said.

She said that at any given time, 75 to 100 officers from a variety of agencies were taking part, including police, FBI agents and a large contingent of deputy U.S. Marshals.

Teams combed an area of Tucson Saturday around East Broadway Boulevard and Craycroft Road into the evening using street patrols, canines, detectives and a helicopter.

At one point late Saturday night, communications operator Patrick Olea said the area encompassed "pretty much the entire east side."

Also involved are Department of Corrections bloodhounds, search and rescue experts and a Pima County rapid response team.

Friends of the family also fanned out to distribute fliers with a photo of Isabel, KVOA-TV in Tucson reported.
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Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on April 22, 2012, 10:39:09 AM
http://www.kpho.com/story/17651996/tucson-police-search-for-missing-6-year-old-girl
Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl
By Phil Benson
April 22, 2012

TUCSON, AZ (AP) -

Tucson police have been joined by FBI agents and a large contingent of deputy U.S. Marshals as they search for a 6-year-old girl who went missing from her house.
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Sgt. Maria Hawke says police are searching the area of the Arizona city around East Broadway Boulevard and Craycroft Road using street patrols, canines, detectives and a helicopter.

Police say they are investigating all potential scenarios, including the possibility that Isabel got up and wandered out of the home she shares with her parents and two brothers or that she was kidnapped.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Red on April 22, 2012, 11:25:39 AM
6 Year Old Isabel Mercedes Celis Missing Since 4/20/12 in Tucson, AZ … Family Believes She was Kidnapped by a Stranger

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/04/21/6-year-old-isabel-mercedes-celis-missing-since-42012-in-tucson-az/

UPDATE III: Isabel’s uncle and family spokesperson Justin Mastromarino said Isabel’s bedroom window was open. He also said her family is a loving one.

Accoridng to accounts the 6 year olds bedroom window was open and the blinds were pushed to the side. Good grief America, please, I beg you ... do not keep bedroom windows open to children's rooms especially when they are on the 1st floor. With as many registered sex offenders that lived in the area and their ability to stalk and scope out a child, don't add the the problem by having an "enter" sign on your home!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: New Monkey on April 22, 2012, 01:52:34 PM
Such a beautiful child.  Prayers she is found alive and soon! 

So many crimes seem to be ones of opportunity.  I agree with Red.  Please, people, lock your windows and doors for the love of Mike!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 22, 2012, 03:32:41 PM
Her moms Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000787896099&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000787896099&sk=wall)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on April 22, 2012, 04:11:10 PM
Prayers for this little girl...
I am so hoping that she is found safe. She must be so scared...my heart is broken for her and her family


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 22, 2012, 06:09:58 PM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/148447295.html (http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/148447295.html)

Police hold press conference regarding missing 6-year-old
CREATED 1:40 PM

TUCSON (KGUN9-TV) - Chief Roberto Villasenor of the Tucson Police Department held a press conference at 2:00 p.m. Sunday to update the public on the disappearance of Isabel Celis, 6. Here's the latest.

The little girl has not been found, but as many as 200 law enforcement officers, local and federal, are searching for her around the clock. Along with Tucson Police, FBI, US Marshals, Pima County Sheriff's Deputies, Department of Corrections bloodhounds and FBI dogs from Virginia are taking part in the search.

Was Isabel abducted? Police aren't saying that but are calling this a "suspicious disappearance" and "possible abduction". They aren't giving any specific details about the condition of the girl's bedroom but are looking into a possible entry point of the bedroom. Family members tell KGUN 9 that a window in Isabel's window was found pushed open.
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Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 22, 2012, 06:11:52 PM
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/17652635/search-continues-sunday-for-missing-6-year-old-girl (http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/17652635/search-continues-sunday-for-missing-6-year-old-girl)

150-200 people working on case of missing 6-year-old


Posted: Apr 22, 2012 9:52 AM PDT
Updated: Apr 22, 2012 3:00 PM PDT
By James Bennett - email
 

TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) - Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villaseñor said 150-200 people have been working on the case of missing 6-year-old Isabel Mercedes Celis.

The search continued Sunday, with Tucson Police locking down the neighborhood near East Broadway and Craycroft roads.

"As long as we feel there's a need to continue to search, we will do so," Villasenor said Sunday in a news conference near the family's home.

Villaseñor said police are not ruling anything out in the investigation. Police have extended the search are to 2 1/2 miles around the home.

Police, who are limiting traffic in and out of the area, have labeled the case as a "suspicious disappearance/possible abduction."

The first grader's mother and father, Rebecca and Sergio Celis, attended Sunday morning Mass as friends and neighbors joined in the search.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: JessStar on April 22, 2012, 10:39:09 PM
Here we go again....  ::MonkeyMad::  I have a very bad feeling about this case.  The circumstances surrounding her disappearance, and the time she's been missing, are just not good.  May God bless and protect her.  Hopefully she will be found safe.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: JessStar on April 22, 2012, 10:42:20 PM
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Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 23, 2012, 12:40:42 AM
SUSPICIOUS DISAPPEARANCE / POSSIBLE ABDUCTION5600 BLOCK EAST 12 TH STREET
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Throughout the day on April 21, 2012, the Tucson Police Department, in conjunction with numerous other lawenforcement entities, worked diligently to investigative the suspicious disappearance and possible abduction of 6-yearold Isabel Mercedes Celis

. The Tucson Police Department was first advised of the disappearance via a 911 call that wasreceived at 8:14 a.m. on April 21, 2012. Officers from Operations Division East initially responded to a residence in the 5600 Block of East 12 th Street

The initial responding officers quickly cordoned off the area and conducted another search of the residence as well. As itwas evident that Isabel was not in the residence, additional resources were summoned to assist with the investigation of her disappearance and attempts to locate her. The Tucson Police Department called upon the

Federal Bureau of Investigation , who responded to the area with both Investigative Agent personnel and an Evidence Recovery Team
.Additionally, the Tucson Police Department asked for and received assistance from theUnited States Marshalls Office, who provided a contingent of personnel who participated extensively in the neighborhood search activities. Also,canine handlers with their canine partners, specifically bloodhounds, from the
 Arizona Department of Corrections were requested and responded to assist.
 Search and Rescue personnel from the Pima County Sheriff’s Departmentand the multi-agency Rapid Response Team responded at the request of the Tucson Police Department. The TucsonFire Department
 assisted with some equipment and personnel needs. The Tucson Police Department also utilizednumerous
 field patrol resources ,the Tucson Police Department Air Unit ,various investigative resources (SexOffender Tracking and Registration – SORT – Unit, Dependent Child Unit, Child Sexual Assault Unit, InternetCrimes Against Children Unit, and Aggravated Assault Unit), as well asanalyst support
 
in order to further theinvestigation. All potential avenues of investigation have been vigorously explored throughout the day and evening onApril 21, 2012. Search efforts will continue through the evening of April 21, 2012 and into April 22, 2012 as needed.The Tucson Police Department is committed to the mission of finding Isabel and ensuring her safety, utilizing any and allresources that are available.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/90602675/Susp-Disappearance-Possible-Abduction-Isabel-Celis
 






Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 23, 2012, 06:22:37 AM
FBI dogs search missing child's Tucson home
Published April 23, 2012
Associated Press
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TUCSON, Ariz. –  Investigators early Monday sent FBI dogs trained for urban searches into the Tucson home where a 6-year-old girl disappeared as teams of law officers worked to determine if she was abducted.

The dogs arrived from the FBI's Virginia headquarters late Sunday and began searching at the home around midnight, said police Sgt. Marco Borboa.
 
"We have deployed the dogs and they're working at the residence," he said Monday.
 
Officers kept the whole neighborhood block where Isabel lives cordoned off for a second day Sunday.
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More than 150 law enforcement officers were involved in the effort, which included a fourth search of a three-mile radius around the home in temperatures that reached the high-90s, police Lt. Fabian Pacheco said at a Sunday evening news conference

Family friend Mary Littlehorn said she heard from others close to the family that a window screen in the girl's bedroom had been knocked down.
Littlehorn, who joined other family friends at a police command post, said authorities separated the two parents for hours Saturday as they questioned them. She said it was difficult for them knowing their little girl was out there somewhere.
 
"She hasn't been allowed to help look for her daughter," Littlehorn said of Becky Celis.

She said Becky Celis is a registered nurse in the pediatrics unit and Sergio Celis is a dental hygienist. There's no way anyone in the family is involved in the disappearance, she said.
 
"We all feel this is somebody who's been watching 'Isa' for some amount of time to know where her bedroom is," Littlehorn said.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/23/fbi-dogs-search-missing-child-tucson-home/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on April 23, 2012, 10:54:33 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-04-23/tucson-missing-girl/54482700/1
Police keeping missing girl's family from Arizona home
April 23, 2012

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Authorities say they decided to keep the family of first-grader Isabel Mercedes Celis (SELL-uhs) away from the home after a search early Monday of the house by FBI dogs.

Police Chief Robert Villasenor says the information turned up by the dogs required follow-up but he wouldn't reveal what was found.
 ::snipping2::
 
Video at Link


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 23, 2012, 11:25:03 AM
Sadly, this isn't surprising.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: BlueKYGirl on April 23, 2012, 11:25:25 AM
My heart breaks for this family.

This news prompted me to check the locks on my windows--I was appalled to find 2 downstairs windows unlocked. The weather's been pretty and I guess my quiet,  friendly neighborhood gives me a sense of security...but there is no excuse. Just a reminder to stay safe out there, everyone! :)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 23, 2012, 11:35:41 AM
http://daltondailycitizen.com/news_tab3/x130093134/Suspicion-over-entry-point-in-Tucson-girl-search

April 23, 2012
Suspicion over 'entry point’ in Tucson girl search


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She said Becky Celis is a registered nurse in the pediatrics unit and Sergio Celis is a dental hygienist. 

Most cases involving parents don't include those so educated.  I hope that doesn't sound like bias or profiling.  I'm just thinking of Lisa Irvin, Zahara Baker, Caylee Anthony, Shaniya Davis, etc...  One would think that if there was abuse and a medical emergency, these two would know what to do to help a child. 

I'm not sure what to think about this case.   :smt102


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on April 23, 2012, 01:08:57 PM
Agree Kittymom


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on April 23, 2012, 03:57:39 PM
Site started to accept donations to assist the search for Isabel and to support the family.

http://www.kvoa.com/news/tmc-establishes-fund-for-missing-6-year-old/
TMC establishes fund for missing 6-year-old
April 23, 2012

TUCSON - Tucson Medical Center has established a special fund to assist the search for Isabel Celis and to support her family during this time.

To donate to this fund, click here:

https://www.tmcaz.com/TMCFoundation/HowYouCanHelp/GivingOnline

Under the "Gift Options" section, select the "Isabel Mercedes Celis Fund" as the option for "Use this gift for."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on April 23, 2012, 05:58:52 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-tucson-girl-isabel-celis-landfill-searched-sex/story?id=16194621
Missing Tucson Girl Isabel Celis : Landfill Searched
By Collen Curry
April 23, 2012

Tucson cops searched a landfill without success today after an FBI search dog came upon a "hit" in the home of missing 6-year-old girl Isabel Mercedes Celis.

Having police turn to a landfill for evidence of the girl was a grim turn in the investigation.

Searchers combed through garbage at the landfill and continued canvassing a 3-mile area around the girl's home to try and solve what they say has become a likely abduction case.

"We have information we obtained from the dogs that has necessitated more follow-up investigation," Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor said today.

Police have evacuated the Celis family from their home today following the dog search, which involved one cadaver dog and one scent-following dog, Villasenor said. They are treating the house as a crime scene.
 ::snipping2::
Video at Link


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on April 23, 2012, 06:01:57 PM

Find Isabel Mercedes Celis


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Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on April 23, 2012, 07:24:19 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-tucson-girl-isabel-celis-nearby-homes-searched/story?id=16194621
Search For Missing Tucson Girl Isabel Celis Checks Nearby Homes
By Colleen Curry
April 23, 2012

Tucson police searched the homes of a number of residences today close to where 6-year-old Isabel Mercedes Celis has disappeared, including one home on the same street as the girl 's house.

The search for the missing girl entered day three today with investigators combing a nearby landfill, canvassing the neighborhood interviewing residents, and examining evidence that FBI search dogs "hit" in the Celis family home.
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Villasenor would not say which residences were searched today, after police obtained warrants for the case, but did acknowledge that more than 15 registered sex offenders live within a three mile radius of the family's home, including at least one who lives in the immediate vicinity.

Detectives have interviewed all of the offenders, he said.

The search for Celis intensified after two FBI search dogs hit upon something in the Celis family home overnight. Villasenor noted that there was a cadavaer dog and a scent dog used in the search.
"We have information we obtained from the dogs that has necessitated more follow-up investigation," Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor said today.

Police evacuated the Celis family from their home today following the dog search, which involved one cadaver dog and one scent-following dog, Villasenor said. They are treating the house as a crime scene.

Police have not ruled out the parents of the missing child as suspects.

"We are investigating all of the parties involved," he said today.


Investigators also continued to search a nearby landfill today where garbage was taken after being picked up at the Celis's home on Saturday, Villasenor said. Having police turn to a landfill for evidence of the girl was a grim turn in the investigation.
 ::snipping2::
Video at Link



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 23, 2012, 08:52:35 PM
When is the last time anyone outside of the parent saw this child?  Was she in school on Friday?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 23, 2012, 10:01:40 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/ (http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/)

Latest Update New pictures of missing 6-year-old Isabel Celis released

05:30 PM

TUCSON - The family and friends of the 6-year-old girl missing since Friday night have released additional photos of her.

The pictures above were posted to the Facebook page

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 23, 2012, 10:03:18 PM
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/17664462/celis-family-releases-statement (http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/17664462/celis-family-releases-statement)

(http://kold.images.worldnow.com/images/17664462_BG1.jpg)

Celis family releases statement
Posted: Apr 23, 2012 6:40 PM PDT Updated: Apr 23, 2012 6:40 PM PDT
By Sarah Cantey - email
 
Isabel Celis was last seen Friday, April 20. Isabel Celis was last seen Friday, April 20.

The Celis family released a statement regarding the disappearance of their 6-year-old daughter Isabel.

The following statement was given by the family to Tucson Police who forwarded it to Tucson News Now.

"We appreciate everyone's interest in finding our daughter, Isabel and thank all the volunteers who have come out to search for her. We are cooperating fully with authorities and are focused only on her safe return. We appreciate all your energy and efforts and continue to need the community's help. Please call the TPD if you have any information. We love Isabel and will never give up finding her. Thanks you for all your support."


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 23, 2012, 10:09:03 PM
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/family-of-missing-isabel-celis-vows-to-never-give-up/article_3268f938-8d59-11e1-91b9-0019bb2963f4.html (http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/family-of-missing-isabel-celis-vows-to-never-give-up/article_3268f938-8d59-11e1-91b9-0019bb2963f4.html)

Family of missing Isabel Celis vows to never give up search


Posted: Monday, April 23, 2012 4:30 pm

 ::snipping2::

Tucson police continued to search the Los Reales Landfill as part of the investigation into a missing 6-year-old girl.

Authorities are also conducting a targeted search in a 3-mile radius around Isabel Mercedes Celis’ midtown home, interviewing neighbors, business owners and registered sex offenders, police said Monday.

Isabel was reported missing Saturday morning by her parents. The first-grader was last seen when she was put to bed in her room at 11 p.m. Friday.


 ::snipping2::




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on April 23, 2012, 10:31:33 PM
This beautiful little girl still has little dimples on her hands in the pic of her with the blue dress on..she is just a baby! Please let her be found and safe!
My heart breaks for her family and for her...let her be safe!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 24, 2012, 12:49:12 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-tucson-girl-isabel-celis-nearby-homes-searched/story?id=16194621#.T5YukKuvKSo

Missing Tucson Girl Isabel Celis' Family Will 'Never Give Up Finding Her'

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The child was not in her room, and a bedroom window was opened with the screen removed, Villasenor said.

This is the first time I've seen this description.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 24, 2012, 12:55:38 AM
http://blinkoncrime.com/category/isabel-celis/sergio-celis/

Blink's reporting.  Interesting comments.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 24, 2012, 11:58:53 AM
http://blinkoncrime.com/category/isabel-celis/sergio-celis/

Blink's reporting.  Interesting comments.

KittyMom, you asked a very good question as well.  I would really like to know the families movements all day Friday.

This type of abduction is very rare, and the outer windows are casement sliders, which in theory are not large enough to be egress in the first place. 

A few Notes below which are bothering me:

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These windows are the only exposed outer windows in the home not protected by fencing and accessible to the alley, and the adjacent parking lot.  It appears that they are also the only windows not protected by fencing along the alley corridor in total.

They are at LEAST 5' up from ground level if the fence to the immediate right is at least 4', which is fairly standard.  I am presuming these are horizontal sliding windows and not hinged casements.

If they are hinged casements,  I would say flat out that window was not used to remove this child without someone assisting on both sides and even then  I would be highly suspect.


These windows would lock via the center moving sash and would use one outer screen for both panes of glass.

If someone knew what they were doing, it could be removed fairly easily and quietly, which is what I have been told happened as opposed to it being cut.  If they were locked from the inside,  there is no way there would not be obvious signs of forced entry to the exterior.

To my knowledge, there was not.

You can visibly see the horizontal blinds in the image, so again, they are not accessible to pull up from the outside-  someone coming in from the exterior would need to deal with them,  depending upon what they are made of could be a noise factor.

These windows appear to be standard size for the time the home was built, so they are quite small in terms of an adult, let alone an adult and a child getting in and out of them.

I have wood blinds on my first floor and they are LOUD and heavy when adjusting them.

With 2 older brothers, both parents and a dog in the home,  I am having a hard time believing someone is getting in and out of that window with a "sleeping" child.  There are cinder block and stones below the alleged access point which would have resulted in footprints, etc. 

This person, if acting alone would have to be at least 5'9" -6'tall to clear that opening without any sort of step stool and absolutely need to be thin in build.

If I were a betting person,  and one of the reasons why I want to know if the family was away earlier,  it is more plausible to me that someone broke into the home via that window, waited inside the home and left via another exit,  or that someone accessed the home by some other means and had help removing the child via the window and then exited themselves.

Horrific scenario to my knowledge has not been ruled out- Young Isa was victimized in her room and removed unconscious or worse.  (this is even rarer, but not unheard of if the unsub is younger and does not live alone or have access to an alternative location).  I do not believe this scenario personally, however.


Last scenario- the scene was staged for some reason by some individual.

The concrete wall which abutts the house does provide an area for concealment, but I counted 6 parking lot lights within a 50 yard radius across the street which are certainly going to provide some lighting to that alley.

It is my understanding the home is being released to the family but Isa's room and some other areas remain secured.


Does anyone know if the home has a finished basement?










Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 24, 2012, 12:02:24 PM
Sorry, not sure why this image did not post, trying again.



(http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww116/BlinkOnCrime/Blink%20On%20Crime/For%20Posting/5602E12thST.jpg)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 24, 2012, 01:26:15 PM
Dogs on duty when Tucson child vanished


TUCSON, April 24 (UPI) -- A cadre of watchdogs was present in the home of an Arizona girl the night she disappeared but it was unclear Tuesday if they ever raised the alarm, police said

 ::snipping2::


Borboa also said investigators were still trying to confirm that Isabel attended school on Friday.

The Arizona Daily Star said the Celis family continued to cooperate with investigators and that their home and vehicle and were free to return to their home if they desire.


http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/04/24/Dogs-on-duty-when-Tucson-child-vanished/UPI-27851335284902/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 24, 2012, 01:28:13 PM

Family of missing Isabel Mercedes Celis allowed to return home


TUCSON, Ariz. - The family of a 6-year-old girl who disappeared from her bedroom was given the go-ahead to return to their Tucson home after authorities completed a search of the house.


Police spokesman Sgt. Marco Borboa says Isabel Mercedes Celis' family was told Tuesday that they could return to the house. It's unknown whether they had returned.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/mornings/family-of-missing-isabel-mercedes-celis-allowed-to-return-home-042412


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on April 24, 2012, 01:42:40 PM
I did not realize that the window to her room were that small and that high off the ground! 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 24, 2012, 01:51:05 PM
I just got off a call with a source that said they have not been able to confirm Isabel attended school Friday,  has anyone seen any confirmations of that?

Same question was posed this morning and the PIO did not know.  He was very sketchy about the "who was last seen" with Isabel.



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 24, 2012, 02:24:23 PM
I did not realize that the window to her room were that small and that high off the ground! 



Correct.  I am not going to name any names, but there is an RSO I am gravely concerned about, and his record includes kidnapping, theft of a vehicle, possession of burglary tools, improper window tint, rape, and he is a high risk offender  dating as far back as 1997.

He is 3 houses and 200 feet down from the Celis family.  His home was searched yesterday morning.





Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 24, 2012, 03:27:34 PM
did someone mess up and leave the garage door open
looks like a garage
http://g.co/maps/ma52x


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 24, 2012, 04:18:14 PM
$6,000 reward posted for missing girl Isabel Celis

TUCSON, AZ (CBS5) - Pima County's 88-CRIME and the family of Tucson girl Isabel Celis have put up a $6,000 reward for significant leads that point to the whereabouts of the missing 6-year-old.

The family is putting up $5,000 with the additional $1,000 coming from the crime stoppers program.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kpho.com/story/17687725/6000-reward-posted-for-missing-girl-isabel-celis


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 24, 2012, 04:19:18 PM
Cops search landfill for missing Arizona girl

Police looking for evidence in the weekend disappearance of six-year-old Isabel Celis searched a landfill near her Tucson, Arizona, home.

According to the Arizona Daily Star, investigators said garbage was picked up in the neighborhood before Isabel was reported missing on Saturday morning and they have secured the area of the Los Reales Landfill, where that trash would have been dumped. Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor called the search “normal protocol.”

 ::snipping2::

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/04/24/landfill-home-searched-missing-girl-case


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 24, 2012, 04:20:24 PM

Day 4: FBI profilers to help find missing Tucson girl


12:30 — FBI profilers will be in Tucson this afternoon to begin working on the case of a missing Tucson girl, police said.

The behavior analysts who in part help develop a profile of possible suspects in crimes, might “tell us what we’re looking for,” Chief Roberto Villaseñor, told reporters at a news briefing today.

Villaseñor confirmed that the Celis family — parents Sergio and Becky Celis, as well as their two sons — were at home Friday, the last time Isabel was seen before she was reported missing Saturday morning. He said he did not believe anyone else was at the home Friday night.

The next police news conference is set for 4 p.m. today.

 ::snipping2::

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/police-still-holding-hope-isabel-can-be-found-alive/article_3fc57de1-a2a3-5085-895d-7e911259feb3.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 24, 2012, 08:44:54 PM
Police: Search phase winding down; now investigating some 260 leads

TUCSON - Police are winding down search operations and ramping up the investigation phase into the disappearance of 6-year-old Isabel Celis.

At a 4 p.m. news conference, Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor said they have completed searching the Los Reales landfill and will be shutting down the operation there.

By tonight, police will significantly reduce staff searching the area around the east side neighborhood where Isabel was last seen.

"We've hit every area we can find," Chief Villasenor said, noting their search teams have searched some areas three or four times.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kvoa.com/news/police-search-phase-winding-down-now-investigating-some-260-leads/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 24, 2012, 08:46:33 PM
Tucson police winding down search for missing girl

TUCSON, Ariz. — Tucson police are scaling back their search for a 6-year-old girl who has been missing since Saturday

Police Chief Roberto Villasenor said Tuesday that law enforcement expect to wrap up their intensive search for Isabel Mercedes Celis by morning.

Villasenor says more than 20 officers will work throughout the night in the neighborhood surrounding the girl's home.

That's a sharp reduction from the 150 officers from various agencies who first took part in the search.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/tucson-police-winding-down-1424724.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 25, 2012, 12:23:59 AM
Sorry, not sure why this image did not post, trying again.



(http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww116/BlinkOnCrime/Blink%20On%20Crime/For%20Posting/5602E12thST.jpg)
I don't understand why it is so difficult to determine if this child attended school on Friday.  Simple enough to question a teacher and bus driver. 

I'm finding it hard to believe that someone entered that home via the window.  It sounds like another Trenton Duckett case.  Did the parents dispose of garbage before reporting the child missing?  But, as always, I go back to little Jessica Lunsford.  Couey was able to get in and out of her home without waking anyone (including the dog).  So, are any of Isa's favorite dolls or animals gone?  What about clothes or shoes? 

Too many unanswered questions.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 25, 2012, 12:26:57 AM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/police-give-update-on-missing-girl-case/

Police give update on missing girl case

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Police say they have "refreshed" the search warrant on the family home. TPD says this is being done in order for the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit to go inside the home and evaluate it.

Police do not plan to have another update on this case until Wednesday morning at 7:30 a.m., unless there are major developments.

So does this mean that the FBI will be going through the home overnight? 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 25, 2012, 12:30:10 AM
http://forensicpsych.umwblogs.org/fbi/history-of-the-fbi/behavioral-analysis-unit/

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Q: What is the mission of the BAU?

The mission of the Behavioral Analysis Units (BAU) is to provide operational support for complex and time-sensitive cases and other matters through the application of investigative case experience, education, specialized training, and research.

Behavioral Analysis Unit 3 (crimes against children): Resources are focused on crimes perpetrated against child victims, including abductions, mysterious disappearances of children, homicides, and sexual victimization.

Q: What are some services provided by the BAU?

Services provided by the behavioral analysis units include:

Crime analysis;
Profiles of unknown offenders;
Linkage analysis;
Investigative suggestions;
Threat assessment;
Interview strategies;
Media strategies;
Search warrant affidavit assistance;
Prosecution and trial strategies;
Expert testimony;
Critical incident analysis; and
Geographic profiling (provided through an agreement with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives).


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 25, 2012, 11:17:54 AM
http://forensicpsych.umwblogs.org/fbi/history-of-the-fbi/behavioral-analysis-unit/

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Q: What is the mission of the BAU?

The mission of the Behavioral Analysis Units (BAU) is to provide operational support for complex and time-sensitive cases and other matters through the application of investigative case experience, education, specialized training, and research.

Behavioral Analysis Unit 3 (crimes against children): Resources are focused on crimes perpetrated against child victims, including abductions, mysterious disappearances of children, homicides, and sexual victimization.

Q: What are some services provided by the BAU?

Services provided by the behavioral analysis units include:

Crime analysis;
Profiles of unknown offenders;
Linkage analysis;
Investigative suggestions;
Threat assessment;
Interview strategies;
Media strategies;
Search warrant affidavit assistance;
Prosecution and trial strategies;
Expert testimony;
Critical incident analysis; and
Geographic profiling (provided through an agreement with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives).

To my knowledge, they have only refreshed the warrant for the Celis home, no other location.

Not a good sign.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 25, 2012, 11:29:12 AM
Clues for Missing Tucson Girl Isabel Celis Sought in Surveillance Video

The answer to how 6-year-old Isabel Celis disappeared from her Tucson home last Saturday may be found in surveillance videos from neighboring houses and stores, police said today.

One camera is attached to a home just 75 yards away and points directly at the Celis family's house, while others are attached to nearby businesses. Police hope they could yield clues to the girl's overnight disappearance.

Celis was reported missing by her father around 8 a.m. Saturday after her mother left for work and her father went to wake her up. The child was not in her room, and a bedroom window was opened with the screen removed, police said.

The little girl was last seen around 11 p.m. Friday, when she was put to bed, he said.

Today, police will extend their search for the girl to drainage and water systems in the nearby area, Tucson police chief Roberto Villasenor said at a press conference this morning.

 ::snipping2::

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-tucson-girl-isabel-celis-surveillance-videos-hold/story?id=16210060


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 25, 2012, 11:31:10 AM
WEDNESDAY UPDATE: FBI Special Team Finishes Searching Missing Girl's Home

 ::snipping2::

During a 7:30 a.m. news conference, Villaseñor said Wednesday that investigators "highly doubt" the young girl walked away from home. Her bedroom window was open and a screen was off, but he said police "have never said that was a point of entry."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.azpm.org/news/story/2012/4/25/757-wednesday-update-fbi-special-team-finishes-searching-missing-girls-home/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 25, 2012, 11:31:56 AM
video of this mornings news conference

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/crime/missing-girl-police-hold-news-conference-04252012


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 25, 2012, 11:39:30 AM
http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/0acfc2b3e0184e4685d88987f08fac3b/US--Tucson-Missing-Girl/
FBI profilers to help police in case of 6-year-old girl who disappeared from Arizona home

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Police chief Robert Villasenor said Wednesday that they are looking in dry washes to make sure Isabel didn't wander into an arroyo. Washes are dry beds of streams that are common in the U.S. Southwest.

 ::MonkeyEek::  Isn't that assuming that she climbed through the window on her own?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 25, 2012, 11:43:43 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-tucson-girl-isabel-celis-surveillance-videos-hold/story?id=16210060#.T5gZequvKSo

Clues for Missing Tucson Girl Isabel Celis Sought in Surveillance Video
Quote
One camera is attached to a home just 75 yards away and points directly at the Celis family's house, while others are attached to nearby businesses. 

Quote
::snipping2::....Emily Collins says Isabel's brother walked into a nearby store searching for his sister.

"He came in and he asked did you hear anything," Emily Collins, who works at the store, told ABC News. "'The little girl was last seen around 11 p.m. Friday, when she was put to bed,' he said. 'We were all sleeping and we didn't hear anything and the next thing you know she's gone.' He asked me once again, 'we were sleeping and we didn't hear anything and she's just kidnapped.'"

I'd love to know just how old this child is.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 25, 2012, 12:44:13 PM

7:30 a.m. — Tucson police Chief Roberto Villaseñor announced at a press briefing this morning that a scaled down search of missing 6-year-old girl Isabel Celis will focus mostly on areas such as washes and drainage areas.

“It means that we’re not gonna take any chance in overlooking anything,” he said.

Authorities completed another search warrant on the Celis home in the 5600 block of East 12th Street about 11:30 p.m. Tuesday, allowing behavioral analysts from the FBI to take a look at the home, Villaseñor said.

“I’m hoping they saw things differently,” he said.

Villaseñor also added that he doesn’t not believe Isabel walked away from her home. Police don’t believe she has been taken out of state.

 ::snipping2::

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/day-tucson-police-search-for-isabel-in-washes/article_06bc54ab-a979-5f9f-8bee-918190531fac.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 25, 2012, 01:05:45 PM
 several videos ,back to back at link,and in the video with NG,she says that Isabel was seen
at a ball game fri. nite
Clues for Missing Tucson Girl Isabel Celis Sought in Surveillance Video
::snipping2::
One camera is attached to a home just 75 yards away and points directly at the Celis family's house, while others are attached to nearby businesses. Police hope they could yield clues to the girl's overnight disappearance.
 ::snipping2::

On Saturday morning, about an hour after the 6 year old's father called 911 to report his daughter missing, Emily Collins says Isabel's brother walked into a nearby store searching for his sister.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-tucson-girl-isabel-celis-surveillance-videos-hold/story?id=16210060


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 25, 2012, 01:06:28 PM
well the first problem we have is that there is no garbage pick up Saturday.  Everyone in that area is on Thursday.

So what led them to the landfill?

(http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww116/BlinkOnCrime/Blink%20On%20Crime/For%20Posting/CelisTrashThursdayPickup.gif)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 25, 2012, 01:19:43 PM
Blink34,maybe some of the businesses,have a dif day for dumpster pick up
or maybe the LE were just checking,bc the bad guys have been known to do that

in the vid the Ncaster says Isabel ,normally sleeps with brothers,not that nite,thats weird
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-tucson-girl-isabel-celis-surveillance-videos-hold/story?id=16210060


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 25, 2012, 01:26:24 PM
We are just hearing that police have removed what appears to be folded fabric or a carpet & some pillows from the family’s car outside the missing 6-yr-old girl’s home. The car, seen parked outside the home, obviously has drawn the attention of investigators, since we are getting in video showing crime scene techs with gloves on removing items. What did they find inside that car? Is it linked to missing 6-yr-old Isabel Celis? And police “refresh” their search warrant on the family home: what do they expect to find inside? Taking your on-air questions right now:

https://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN

Just passing this along...it came across my FB.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 25, 2012, 01:31:59 PM
I hope that LE has separated the brothers and questioned them away from their parents. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 25, 2012, 01:37:04 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/

Quote
t was also announced that the landfill search is complete at this time but police will be searching drainage areas and washes throughout the city.
Responding to questions from the media, Chief Villasenor addressed the open window in Isabel's bedroom saying, "We've never said the window was the point of entry."

 ::MonkeyCool::  Interesting.

Another presser at noon.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 25, 2012, 02:04:42 PM
The family dogs?  The height of the bedroom window?   No school attendance confirmation?  The canine hits?  The parents' silence?  The last non-family sighting?
 
Could it be that the demise of little Isabel happened through the mpulsive action of a family member prior to the dawning of "Friday" morning ... over 24 hours prior to the missing person's report.  A fabrication followed ... a fabrication intended to protect a loved one from legal consequences ... a fabrication that would suggest an abduction.

What has been revealed by others regarding the positive dynamics of the Celis family causes me to speculate that the remains of Isabel WILL NOT be located in a landfill ... will not be located in a body of water.

IMO

Janet
 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 25, 2012, 02:49:39 PM
Blink

My theory implies that little Isabel's remains would not have been disposed of  disrespectfully.  Nevertheless ... if the following words of KNST reporter Paul Birmingham reflects the truth ... there was a Saturday garbage pickup which may have motivated the landfill search for evidence.

Janet

+++++


NANCY GRACE
Landfill Search for Missing 6-Year-Old
Aired April 24, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

PAUL BIRMINGHAM, KNST (via telephone): This is a landfill about seven miles away. What investigators are hoping for is any piece of evidence at that landfill where trash was taken after Isabel had been reporting missing.

There was a Saturday pickup. They`re hoping by going through that landfill, they may find something that they could have missed possibly at the scene of the home or nearby. So they`ve been combing through. They continue to do so -- a very hot, nasty, just terrible day to do it, nearly 100 degree temperatures. So it`s been a long search of that landfill today, and it`s continuing right now.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/24/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: melisb on April 25, 2012, 02:51:45 PM

7:30 a.m. — Tucson police Chief Roberto Villaseñor announced at a press briefing this morning that a scaled down search of missing 6-year-old girl Isabel Celis will focus mostly on areas such as washes and drainage areas.

“It means that we’re not gonna take any chance in overlooking anything,” he said.

Authorities completed another search warrant on the Celis home in the 5600 block of East 12th Street about 11:30 p.m. Tuesday, allowing behavioral analysts from the FBI to take a look at the home, Villaseñor said.

“I’m hoping they saw things differently,” he said.

Villaseñor also added that he doesn’t not believe Isabel walked away from her home. Police don’t believe she has been taken out of state.

 ::snipping2::

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/day-tucson-police-search-for-isabel-in-washes/article_06bc54ab-a979-5f9f-8bee-918190531fac.html


He hopes they saw what differently?  I think Villasenor believes Isabel might have died in that home and it was staged to look like a kidnapping.  I do hope the camera trained on the home leads to something or someone!  I did see a day ago that the reddish, older car was being gone over by LE and they took out what looked like a pillow and put into a bag and they were looking real hard!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 25, 2012, 02:57:05 PM
We are just hearing that police have removed what appears to be folded fabric or a carpet & some pillows from the family’s car outside the missing 6-yr-old girl’s home. The car, seen parked outside the home, obviously has drawn the attention of investigators, since we are getting in video showing crime scene techs with gloves on removing items. What did they find inside that car? Is it linked to missing 6-yr-old Isabel Celis? And police “refresh” their search warrant on the family home: what do they expect to find inside? Taking your on-air questions right now:

https://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN

Just passing this along...it came across my FB.

labubske

In the process of elimination ... in the pursuit of truth ... the forensic searching of the homes/properties/vehicles of those with a close relationship to this little girl should be a given.  Have the parents/grandparents submitted to polygraph and passed in regards to involvement and/or knowledge?  Were Isabel's older brothers questioned by investigators?

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 25, 2012, 03:30:06 PM

7:30 a.m. — Tucson police Chief Roberto Villaseñor announced at a press briefing this morning that a scaled down search of missing 6-year-old girl Isabel Celis will focus mostly on areas such as washes and drainage areas.

“It means that we’re not gonna take any chance in overlooking anything,” he said.

Authorities completed another search warrant on the Celis home in the 5600 block of East 12th Street about 11:30 p.m. Tuesday, allowing behavioral analysts from the FBI to take a look at the home, Villaseñor said.

“I’m hoping they saw things differently,” he said.

Villaseñor also added that he doesn’t not believe Isabel walked away from her home. Police don’t believe she has been taken out of state.

 ::snipping2::

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/day-tucson-police-search-for-isabel-in-washes/article_06bc54ab-a979-5f9f-8bee-918190531fac.html

 ::MonkeyShocked::


I contend that the words of Tucson police Chief Roberto Villaseñor speak volumes in regards to where the investigation is leading.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 25, 2012, 04:03:45 PM
Celis family to speak at 2 p.m. today

TUCSON - The Celis family will be making a statement to the media at 2 p.m. today.

Tucson Police confirmed the family will be speaking at the Command Post set up near the east side neighborhood where 6-year-old Isabel Celis disappeared from last Friday night.

TPD confirms that the family will not be taking questions, but will be speaking briefly to the media.

http://www.kvoa.com/news/celis-family-to-speak-at-2-p-m-today/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 25, 2012, 04:05:21 PM
Live stream for the 2pm statement

http://www.kvoa.com/livestream/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 25, 2012, 04:39:14 PM
I guarantee that the statement was prompted by suggestion from the FBI BAU.  It is standard protocol.  Y'all remember the infamous only joint Horman press conference?

This is largely for observation and/or lead generating purposes.

Janet- you are correct that everyone has been reporting there was a Saturday trash pickup because I heard the chief say that was well, however, there was not.

If something left that area or residence and was transported to the landfill it was done by an individual, not the trash service.

I have the feeling this case is going to come to conclusion sooner than later.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 25, 2012, 06:13:32 PM
Here is the raw video for anyone that missed it:

http://www.kvoa.com/videos/raw-celis-parents-plea-for-daughter-s-return/

The first statement of the father's tells me everything I need to know.

"We are cooperating fully in the investigation".

I do not know what happened in that home, but I do know that those parents do not believe their daughter was yanked out of a 13" window over 5' off the ground for some sort of ransom, and neither does LE.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: New Monkey on April 25, 2012, 06:56:18 PM
I will be really surprised if the father or mother have anything to do with this child's disappearance. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cartfly on April 25, 2012, 08:31:57 PM
I will be really surprised if the father or mother have anything to do with this child's disappearance. 
IMO, Mom looked sincere in the presser but Dad.......I hate to say this, not so much.  ::MonkeyCool::He seemed a little hinky to me but that could be nothing. Did you have any gut feelings about the parents when they spoke out?

Who could possibly hurt this adorable baby? She is exquisite. Please God bring this baby home  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Toler on April 25, 2012, 08:58:18 PM
Parents of missing Arizona girl tearfully plead for her return

TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) - The anguished parents of a missing 6-year-old Arizona girl who authorities say may have been snatched from her bed made a tearful public appeal on Wednesday for her safe return, pleading to presumed abductors to "tell us what you want."
 
Wearing T-shirts bearing their daughter's picture, Sergio and Becky Celis appeared before reporters for the first time since the Tucson girl was reported missing on Saturday, speaking briefly in a parking lot in 90-degree heat.
 
In English, then in Spanish, the mother thanked well-wishers for their prayers and pleaded for her daughter, Isabel Mercedes Celis, to be set free. Her father, also speaking in English and Spanish, offered to meet any demands.
 
"Please, please, to the person or people who took Isabel, tell us what your demands. Tell us what you want. We will do anything," he said, his voice quivering with emotion. "Isabel, we will never give up. We will never stop looking for you."
 
After reading the statements, the parents hugged volunteers who have helped search surrounding areas since Saturday, then quickly walked away toward a motor home serving as a police command center. They took no questions from the media.
 
The parents have said Isabel, who has two older brothers, was last seen when she was put to bed on Friday night. The family awoke Saturday morning to find the hazel-eyed girl's bed empty, they told police.
 
Authorities say a window to the girl's ground-floor room was open, and a screen was missing.
 
Police have said they are treating the girl's disappearance as a "possible abduction" but have yet to rule anyone in or out as a possible suspect.
 
The search widened on Tuesday to washes surrounding the middle-class urban neighborhood. Police investigators have been paired with FBI agents to knock on every door within a 3-mile radius of the family's home, and all local trash companies have been contacted, said Tucson police Chief Roberto Villasenor.
 
The family was given the go-ahead to return to the modest single-story house on Wednesday morning, after FBI behavior analysts had inspected the home. The entire block remained cordoned off with police tape, and squad cars were posted at each end. Villasenor reiterated that the search continues, despite declining likelihood of finding the girl safe.
 
"We don't think about that," he said. "All we think about is bringing her back safely."  ::snipping2:: 

http://news.yahoo.com/parents-missing-arizona-girl-tearfully-plead-her-return-001433476.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 25, 2012, 10:33:17 PM
Here is the raw video for anyone that missed it:

http://www.kvoa.com/videos/raw-celis-parents-plea-for-daughter-s-return/

The first statement of the father's tells me everything I need to know.

"We are cooperating fully in the investigation".

I do not know what happened in that home, but I do know that those parents do not believe their daughter was yanked out of a 13" window over 5' off the ground for some sort of ransom, and neither does LE.
Just watching this.

Interesting that dad is making lots of faces of pain over mom's shoulder while she speaking.  I have yet to see a single tear fall.  Mom seems to have it together more so that dad.  But something about him just seems off. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 25, 2012, 11:04:06 PM
Here is the raw video for anyone that missed it:

http://www.kvoa.com/videos/raw-celis-parents-plea-for-daughter-s-return/

The first statement of the father's tells me everything I need to know.

"We are cooperating fully in the investigation".

I do not know what happened in that home, but I do know that those parents do not believe their daughter was yanked out of a 13" window over 5' off the ground for some sort of ransom, and neither does LE.


 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 26, 2012, 12:25:00 AM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/is-surveillance-video-key-to-solving-missing-girl-investigation-/
Is surveillance video key to solving missing girl investigation?

Quote
Rick Moore of Moore Security Solutions has surveillance cameras placed right outside his company--a company that is just feet away from Isabel Celis' family home.

Rick Moore said his cameras were on the watch the night Isabel disappeared.

"And the cameras that we have located in the back were looking where a lot of things were happening," said Moore.

 ::snipping2:: ...these cameras also have infrared technology so you can see at nighttime and that will help too, since the abduction occurred between 11 and 8 o'clock," said Moore.

"There was activity going on," he said. "There were vehicles...there were people wandering around. There were things that we saw and we did get recorded so that information we did release to the police."


 ::MonkeyCool::  LE knows who to look at.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 26, 2012, 01:34:53 AM
There has been video since Saturday morning 75 yards from the Celis house.  There were cars, there were people, there was action.

Do we really think LE is warranting a property 3 times in 24 hours,  and the BAU is going to form a profile without speaking to the family whatsoever?

The last people to see the missing child, and the people that knew her better than anyone to provide the strongest input to the victimology assessment?

Again, I dunno what happened at 5602,  but I do know that LE is not buying it as sold.

We can deduce this-  footage did not yield Isabel being removed from the home that is covered by cameras.  If it had, it would have resulted in an amber alert.

Imo- they either know who has this child, or they know where she is and what happened to her.

B


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Puzzler on April 26, 2012, 02:52:08 AM

7:30 a.m. — Tucson police Chief Roberto Villaseñor announced at a press briefing this morning that a scaled down search of missing 6-year-old girl Isabel Celis will focus mostly on areas such as washes and drainage areas.

“It means that we’re not gonna take any chance in overlooking anything,” he said.

Authorities completed another search warrant on the Celis home in the 5600 block of East 12th Street about 11:30 p.m. Tuesday, allowing behavioral analysts from the FBI to take a look at the home, Villaseñor said.

“I’m hoping they saw things differently,” he said.

Villaseñor also added that he doesn’t not believe Isabel walked away from her home. Police don’t believe she has been taken out of state.

 ::snipping2::

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/day-tucson-police-search-for-isabel-in-washes/article_06bc54ab-a979-5f9f-8bee-918190531fac.html

 ::MonkeyShocked::


I contend that the words of Tucson police Chief Roberto Villaseñor speak volumes in regards to where the investigation is leading.

Janet

Well, now...that doesn't sound good.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Puzzler on April 26, 2012, 03:36:33 AM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149009015.html

KGUN Tucson, AZ 4-25-12 CREATED 10:37 PM

Missing: Isabel Celis
Day 5 ends with shocking account from next door neighbor

Snipped:

9OYS reporter Marcelino Benito asked Alicia Stardevant if she remembered anything bizarre from that day. "At 6:30 that morning my dogs were going crazy, their dogs were going nuts," she said. "I remember hearing male voices right outside my window. But it was light outside so I just kept sleeping, I didn't think much of it."
 
Now, it's all Stardevant can think about. She lives in a guest house right next to the Celis family home. Her bedroom window is right next to the window to little Isa's bedroom.



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 26, 2012, 06:57:16 AM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149009015.html

KGUN Tucson, AZ 4-25-12 CREATED 10:37 PM

Missing: Isabel Celis
Day 5 ends with shocking account from next door neighbor

Snipped:

9OYS reporter Marcelino Benito asked Alicia Stardevant if she remembered anything bizarre from that day. "At 6:30 that morning my dogs were going crazy, their dogs were going nuts," she said. "I remember hearing male voices right outside my window. But it was light outside so I just kept sleeping, I didn't think much of it."
 
Now, it's all Stardevant can think about. She lives in a guest house right next to the Celis family home. Her bedroom window is right next to the window to little Isa's bedroom.



the cam from the security co. must have been turned in some time sat.
wasnt it reported that,the Celis said they didnt hear dogs or noise
im guessing the small building on the right in the 1st view, is the guest house
in case you dont know how to turn the img,4 views
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Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 26, 2012, 07:04:36 AM
i have a busy day,im hoping Isabel, is found safe

 ::snipping2::
At the day's final press conference, 9OYS asked TPD  about Alicia's recollection of events from that morning.
 
"Of course we're looking at it," Villasenor said. "But it's just one piece of a 500 piece puzzle."
 
For the fifth day in a row, police aren't releasing details of what those other puzzle pieces may look like. The search continues in the sky, in washes and door to door. The number of officers out actively searching has decreased, so any information is becoming more critical by the hour.
 
"My opinion doesn't matter, but what I would get from it is I didn't hear screaming, I would think someone close to the family did this or she's just a really deep sleeper," said Stardevant.
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149009015.html

(http://media.jsonline.com/images/house+celis+1.jpeg)
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149009015.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 26, 2012, 09:07:13 AM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149009015.html

KGUN Tucson, AZ 4-25-12 CREATED 10:37 PM

Missing: Isabel Celis
Day 5 ends with shocking account from next door neighbor

Snipped:

9OYS reporter Marcelino Benito asked Alicia Stardevant if she remembered anything bizarre from that day. "At 6:30 that morning my dogs were going crazy, their dogs were going nuts," she said. "I remember hearing male voices right outside my window. But it was light outside so I just kept sleeping, I didn't think much of it."
 
Now, it's all Stardevant can think about. She lives in a guest house right next to the Celis family home. Her bedroom window is right next to the window to little Isa's bedroom.


This woman says males 'voices' outside the window.  We've only got one man in that home.  So who else was there?  I'll bet LE is checking cell records for all family members.

I'd like to hear from Isa's teachers.  Was she a strong-willed child?  She's the baby and only girl.  I'd be surprised if she weren't.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 26, 2012, 09:11:40 AM
Isabel lived at 5602 12th street.  There is also a Celis family living at 5701 12th street.  Wonder if that residence has been searched as well?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 26, 2012, 09:12:36 AM
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/25/little-league-team-holds-vigil-for-missing-girl/?hpt=ng_bn2

Hanna said Isabel and her family were at the ballpark watching a game last Friday night and Sergio stayed afterward to help clean up, which may be why Isabel went to sleep so late.

So, she was seen on Friday night by someone outside of the family.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on April 26, 2012, 09:58:42 AM
The non running red car at the home bothers me...I thought I heard on NG ? that pillow and piece of carpet taken out of the car along with other items..how long had those items been in the car? How long has the unrunning car been sitting there etc?

I don't think that the parents had anything to do with this. I do think that it was a male relative or acquaintance who took Isabel...wonder if he did something with her in the red car?

I don't  think that this is going to end well.
Prayers to her and her family. So sad for all of them


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: New Monkey on April 26, 2012, 10:18:41 AM
The non running red car at the home bothers me...I thought I heard on NG ? that pillow and piece of carpet taken out of the car along with other items..how long had those items been in the car? How long has the unrunning car been sitting there etc?

I don't think that the parents had anything to do with this. I do think that it was a male relative or acquaintance who took Isabel...wonder if he did something with her in the red car?

I don't  think that this is going to end well.
Prayers to her and her family. So sad for all of them

I tend to agree with this.  I didn't get any hinkiness from the mom or dad.  I just don't feel in my gut like they are responsible.  I hope she is found, safe, soon. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 26, 2012, 11:07:12 AM
Could it be that the timeline that Alicia Stardevant recalls is out?  Could it be that the voices and barking were related to the arrival of the first responders on the scene?

Considering the 911 call was placed at 8:15 AM ... there is no way that LE was knocking on Alicia's door at 8:00 AM.

Janet


Police call missing girl case suspicious
updated 4/23/2012 12:19:24 PM ET


<snipped>

When Celis' father went to wake her up around 8 a.m. she was not it the home, according to Hawke.

The family called police around 8:15 a.m.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47132186/ns/local_news-tucson_az/t/police-call-missing-girl-case-suspicious/


Neighbor heard male voices near Celis home morning of disappearance
Posted: Apr 25, 2012 11:17 PM PDT
Updated: Apr 26, 2012 6:40 AM PDT


TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) - A woman who lives next door to the Celis family says she heard male voices and barking dogs outside her home early Saturday morning, the day 6-year-old Isabel Celis was reported missing.

Alicia Stardevant says it was around 6:30 a.m. when she was awakened by her dogs and heard the voices.  A wall separates Stardevant's home from Isabel's bedroom window.  Stardevant says the voices sounded like they were coming from her side of the wall, not the Celis home.

"My dogs were going crazy," Stardevant said. "Their dogs were going nuts, and I remember briefly waking up and hearing male voices outside my bedroom window. But it was light outside.  I didn't really think anything of it.  Then I went back to sleep.  Then at eight o'clock I got a  knock on the door saying she was missing."

Stardevant says she was sleepy, so she does not recall what the voices were saying.  She says the men were not whispering.

"I don't think that they were police," she said. "I mean I wasn't really paying attention, you know.  I was really tired, but I don't think it was."

Stardevant says since the incident, police have interviewed her several times.

<snipped>

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/17782943/neighborhood-around-celis-home-now-open


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 26, 2012, 11:20:28 AM
The Brothers

NANCY GRACE
Search Intensifies for Missing Tucson 6-Year-Old
Aired April 25, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

NANCY GRACE, HOST:  In the last hours, cops remove fabric and pillows from a red hatchback parked in the driveway, as crime scene tape goes back up at the missing girl`s home. And tonight, we learn Isabel usually sleeps with her two older brothers, but not the night she disappears. Why?

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/25/ng.01.html


Tucson parents of missing girl vow: 'Never give up'
Apr. 25, 2012 09:53 PM


<snipped>

Hundreds of parents and children gathered at the park -- where friends of the family said Isabel and her brothers, 10-year-old Julian and 14-year-old Sergio Jr., play ball -- to light candles and pray for the girl's safe return.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/25/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 26, 2012, 11:31:24 AM
Isabel lived at 5602 12th street.  There is also a Celis family living at 5701 12th street.  Wonder if that residence has been searched as well?

There was a reason that the dogs did not bark.  There was a reason that there was no obvious point of entry.  There was a reason that Isabel did not cry out.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: sunshine12 on April 26, 2012, 11:35:50 AM
maybe the dogs barking and the men talking that the neighbors heard, were the father and/or a different family member trying to stage the scene outside the window where she was allegedly taken from


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: sunshine12 on April 26, 2012, 11:40:05 AM
maybe the dogs barking and the men talking that the neighbors heard, were the father and/or a different family member trying to stage the scene outside the window where she was allegedly taken from

not to quote myself, but if the neighbor heard the dogs barking around 6 30 am wouldn't the mom still have been home getting ready for work and heard all of this commotion?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 26, 2012, 11:41:18 AM
Could it be that the family has knowledge but ... protecting a loved one from legal consequences is where it is at with the furthering of a stranger abduction?

Janet

++++++

Apr 22, 2012 10:45am
Open Window Shows Missing Tucson Girl Was Abducted, Parents Say


<snipped>

Celis’ family has no doubt she was kidnapped by a stranger.

“You don’t think anything like that would actually really happen to you. And all of sudden, you wake up one morning and you’re in that scenario. Everything goes through your mind, you’re angry, you’re upset, you’re frustrated, you’re confused,” said Isabel’s uncle and family spokesperson Justin Mastromarino.

Mastromarino said her family is a loving one.

“They’re very upset right now, mother is beside herself we’re just trying to let police do their thing and get as much info as possible,” said Mastromarino.

Mastromarino described his niece as “just a sweet little girl.”

“All the ambition in the world. She could do whatever she wanted. Didn’t really like strangers or anything like that so very close knitted and just very wise,” said Mastromarino.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/isabel-celis-6-year-old-girl-vanishes-from-tucson-arizona-home/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 26, 2012, 11:42:47 AM
maybe the dogs barking and the men talking that the neighbors heard, were the father and/or a different family member trying to stage the scene outside the window where she was allegedly taken from

not to quote myself, but if the neighbor heard the dogs barking around 6 30 am wouldn't the mom still have been home getting ready for work and heard all of this commotion?

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 26, 2012, 11:43:34 AM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149009015.html

KGUN Tucson, AZ 4-25-12 CREATED 10:37 PM

Missing: Isabel Celis
Day 5 ends with shocking account from next door neighbor

Snipped:

9OYS reporter Marcelino Benito asked Alicia Stardevant if she remembered anything bizarre from that day. "At 6:30 that morning my dogs were going crazy, their dogs were going nuts," she said. "I remember hearing male voices right outside my window. But it was light outside so I just kept sleeping, I didn't think much of it."
 
Now, it's all Stardevant can think about. She lives in a guest house right next to the Celis family home. Her bedroom window is right next to the window to little Isa's bedroom.



the cam from the security co. must have been turned in some time sat.
wasnt it reported that,the Celis said they didnt hear dogs or noise
im guessing the small building on the right in the 1st view, is the guest house
in case you dont know how to turn the img,4 views
back
http://g.co/maps/w6ndj
side
http://g.co/maps/r4j5w
front
http://g.co/maps/3psxc
otherside
http://g.co/maps/dhy5z

Good images CW


So now we have the issue of surveillance capturing people, vehicles and activity which was focused on the windows and side of the home I posted, and a neighbor hearing multiple male voices at 6:30am on the other side of the home at the window where Isa never slept except that Friday night, allegedly.  Everyone's dogs barking.  If the neighbor is hearing both sets of dogs, wouldn't that mean the dogs in the Celis home would have had to have been outside?

There are only 2 fence/wall gates in the Celis property.  One is located near a streetlight and faces the neighbors elipse driveway.  The other next to the garage, again, where the garage and then back windows facing the street are located.

Becky's boss (admin) as I recall stated she was in VERY EARLY for her shift, so if multiple male voices and dogs barking is occurring at 6:30, how does the Dad going to wake her at 8am make sense?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: melisb on April 26, 2012, 12:56:40 PM
Was her nursing shift the standard 7-3 or a 12 of 7-7?  Your are usually required to be to a nursing job 30 mins early to report off.  All nurses getting ready to start their shift take report from the nurses on the previous shift and get patient's assigned to them.  Anyone know what time she says she went to work or arrived there?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 26, 2012, 01:14:37 PM
8 am update from this morning.  Some good reporter questions.

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#!prettyPhoto/0/
 (http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#!prettyPhoto/0/) (Edited to hyperlink.  MB)
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&LanguageCountry=en_US&searchLang=en_US&caseLang=en_US&orgPrefix=NCMC&caseNum=1193092&seqNum=1

Specifically,  one asked to note that on the NCMEC Isa's case is classified as a non-family abduction.

He would not confirm that, and said they would speak to the Team Adam consultant to "address it".

He did not respond to the part about whether or not the family had been cleared, will not classify this as a non-family abduction.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 26, 2012, 01:29:35 PM
(http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww116/BlinkOnCrime/Blink%20On%20Crime/For%20Posting/SergioOpera.gif)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 26, 2012, 01:48:12 PM
Not an allegation, but a simple observation which may have no bearing on who is responsible for what happened to this sweetie Isa,  but the choice of phrase, which was impromptu by Mr. Celis has been bugging me like crazy.

It was before I knew he was an actor and tenor.  The way he approached the platform,  perused the crowd, delivered the line please tell us your demands,  tell us what you want.

In La Traviata,  an opera Mr. Celis sang in as recently as 2008 for sure:

(http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww116/BlinkOnCrime/Blink%20On%20Crime/For%20Posting/SergioLaTraviata.gif)


In Violetta/Germont Scene from Down With Tyranny:

VIOLETTA: No! Don't tell me!
Don't tell me your terrible demand!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 26, 2012, 01:48:33 PM
all right blink,i was just about to post that,i kept wondering why he said ransom
at the PC,did someone think the celis are rich

this doesnt seem to be updated,as it doesnt include a garage in the description
for 5602
you have to install an add on to view the Pictometry Photos Oblique Image
5602 e12th
http://www.asr.pima.gov/links/frm_Parcel.aspx?parcel=128030990&taxyear=2013

the addy klaas mentioned,5701 e 12th parcel# 128-03-0120
http://www.asr.pima.gov/links/frm_Parcel.aspx?parcel=128030120&taxyear=2013
-----------------------
Sergio D Celis or Rebecca L Celis,are owed some $$
http://www.i42.biz/index.php?refid=817578

wonder who these folks are,not the same name as those owed $$
http://www.asr.pima.gov/links/frm_Parcel.aspx?parcel=141182800&taxyear=2013

i guess the 8750 S Desert Valley Way, TUCSON, AZ 85747,was for sale in 2011
http://galleriarealty.helpusell.com/newPropDetails.aspx?id=32576791

from E12th to S desert
http://g.co/maps/v8gp7


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 26, 2012, 02:58:47 PM
Interestingly, while I have never seen a Loss of Eden credit for Mr. Celis, he does have a colleague who played Bruno Hauptmann in Loss of Eden.

It was a commissioned opera in St. Louis in 2002 based on the book with the same name about the kidnapping of Charles Lindbergh, Jr .

As we all know Charles was kidnapped for ransom and removed from the home via his bedroom window.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 26, 2012, 03:04:47 PM
Interestingly, while I have never seen a Loss of Eden credit for Mr. Celis, he does have a colleague who played Bruno Hauptmann in Loss of Eden.

It was a commissioned opera in St. Louis in 2002 based on the book with the same name about the kidnapping of Charles Lindbergh, Jr .

As we all know Charles was kidnapped for ransom and removed from the home via his bedroom window.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Blink ... you are good!

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 26, 2012, 03:09:16 PM
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/25/little-league-team-holds-vigil-for-missing-girl/?hpt=ng_bn2

Hanna said Isabel and her family were at the ballpark watching a game last Friday night and Sergio stayed afterward to help clean up, which may be why Isabel went to sleep so late.

So, she was seen on Friday night by someone outside of the family.


Candlelight vigil held for missing 6-year-old girl
Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:21 AM PDT
Updated: Apr 26, 2012 12:23 AM PDT


<snipped>

Friends said the last time they saw Isabel was last Friday night. She was at the ball park with her family, watching her brother play baseball. Friends said the game started late, and that is probably why Isabel went to bed so late that night.

<snipped>

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/17728195/candlelight-vigil-held-for-missing-6-year-old-girl


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 26, 2012, 04:18:07 PM
My hubby heard on CNN (Rick?) about 15 minutes ago that a "source" confirmed that the parents of Isabel Celis are no longer cooperating with investigators.  If the "source" is refecting the truth ... could what was revealed in the surveillance footage be the reason?

Janet
1:10 PM PT

+++++

Is surveillance video key to solving missing girl investigation?
Posted: Apr 25, 2012 7:40 PM
Updated: Apr 25, 2012 7:40 PM


TUCSON - Police are investigating hundreds of leads regarding the disppearance of Isabel Celis, but one business in the area may have a big key to help solve the puzzle.

Rick Moore of Moore Security Solutions has surveillance cameras placed right outside his company--a company that is just feet away from Isabel Celis' family home.

Rick Moore said his cameras were on the watch the night Isabel disappeared.

"And the cameras that we have located in the back were looking where a lot of things were happening," said Moore.

Moore said he believes these cameras provide more information to police than any other nearby camera because of their location.

"In terms of maybe license plate numbers, cars going by - these cameras also have infrared technology so you can see at nighttime and that will help too, since the abduction occurred between 11 and 8 o'clock," said Moore.

Moore said on Saturday, his general manager spent about five hours with police, showing them surveillance video of the area, and on Monday, they were back again to review video and get a copy of activity from 10 p.m. Friday night to 9 a.m. Saturday morning.

"There was activity going on," he said. "There were vehicles...there were people wandering around. There were things that we saw and we did get recorded so that information we did release to the police."

<snipped>

http://www.kvoa.com/news/is-surveillance-video-key-to-solving-missing-girl-investigation-/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 26, 2012, 04:21:38 PM
Interestingly, while I have never seen a Loss of Eden credit for Mr. Celis, he does have a colleague who played Bruno Hauptmann in Loss of Eden.

It was a commissioned opera in St. Louis in 2002 based on the book with the same name about the kidnapping of Charles Lindbergh, Jr .

As we all know Charles was kidnapped for ransom and removed from the home via his bedroom window.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Blink ... you are good!

Janet

Thank you kindly Janet,  back at ya.

I posted a link ( thanks MuffyBee!) earlier to Isa's profile on NCMEC,  as it was referenced in the press conf to say "non-family abduction".

I just hit refresh and it has been changed to "missing and endangered".  

When this much time has gone by, and there are witnesses and surveillance-

Nobody will say WHO put Isa to bed except "the family".

LE makes NCMEC change the case classification from non-family abduction to missing and endangered and will not discuss being able to rule out the family.

Isa was not wearing pj's, she was reportedly wearing what she was last seen in at the baseball game.

The family says we don't want to be on camera to take away focus, and LE says them being on camera is helpful to generate leads.

Father was at ballpark later than the rest of the family to clean up and Isa was with him.


I could go on-  none of any of this is logical.

There is no logical behavior patterns in any of the information we have been given if this family truly believes Isa was abducted by a stranger from the home.

It is one thing to be unsure of a piece of information here or there,  but in reality, the only FACT we have is a 911 call, it's timestamp, and parents that have said we want you not to focus on us, but our daughter but we refuse to answer any questions to help with that effort.  

As an example- when Mr. Celis told the person or persons responsible for taking Isa to tell them their demands,  how was he expecting that call to come in exactly? From a home they will not return to?

Does that make any sense to anyone?  Does he KNOW that the "kidnapper" has their cell phones, etc?  

The Patz family refused to move for 33 years so far in the even Etan was alive and could return to his home.

If BAU thought that this was an abduction for ransom,  they would have coached the Celis's very precisely as to their statement/appearance, period.

I cannot think of a single case where the BAU/FBI did not WISH to meet with the parents of a missing child.

Conversely, I can think of many where the parent/caregiver/person hiding something refused or refused through an attorney.

If Jose Baez shows up in Tucson so help me Jesus.

Does the couple strike me as parents that would intentionally harm their child? No, they are low risk for that for everything we  know so far.

So, why are their actions in contradiction to their own stated theory, that of LE, and unwilling to do anything to change it to find Isa?

  


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on April 26, 2012, 04:29:25 PM
Not an allegation, but a simple observation which may have no bearing on who is responsible for what happened to this sweetie Isa,  but the choice of phrase, which was impromptu by Mr. Celis has been bugging me like crazy.

It was before I knew he was an actor and tenor.  The way he approached the platform,  perused the crowd, delivered the line please tell us your demands,  tell us what you want.

In La Traviata,  an opera Mr. Celis sang in as recently as 2008 for sure:

(http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww116/BlinkOnCrime/Blink%20On%20Crime/For%20Posting/SergioLaTraviata.gif)


In Violetta/Germont Scene from Down With Tyranny:

VIOLETTA: No! Don't tell me!
Don't tell me your terrible demand!

Where does the reality end and the performance begin? ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 26, 2012, 04:37:57 PM
RAW VIDEO: Isabel Celis' father appears in city court

TUCSON - The father of missing 6-year-old Isabel Celis was in City Court this morning for an arraignment hearing for eight dog-related citations.

Sergio Celis' charges include: two counts of Dog Running At Large, three counts of No Current License and three counts of No Current Vaccination.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kvoa.com/news/raw-video-isabel-celis-father-appears-in-city-court/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 26, 2012, 04:40:23 PM
Next-door neighbor Alicia Stardevant tells HLN about voices she heard outside her window on the morning six-year-old Isabel Celis was reported missing from her Tucson, Arizona, home. (video)

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/04/26/key-witness-isabel-celis-disappearance



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 26, 2012, 04:56:24 PM
RAW VIDEO: Isabel Celis' father appears in city court

TUCSON - The father of missing 6-year-old Isabel Celis was in City Court this morning for an arraignment hearing for eight dog-related citations.

Sergio Celis' charges include: two counts of Dog Running At Large, three counts of No Current License and three counts of No Current Vaccination.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kvoa.com/news/raw-video-isabel-celis-father-appears-in-city-court/

A stranger abduction?  I don't think so.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 26, 2012, 04:59:43 PM
Not an allegation, but a simple observation which may have no bearing on who is responsible for what happened to this sweetie Isa,  but the choice of phrase, which was impromptu by Mr. Celis has been bugging me like crazy.

It was before I knew he was an actor and tenor.  The way he approached the platform,  perused the crowd, delivered the line please tell us your demands,  tell us what you want.

In La Traviata,  an opera Mr. Celis sang in as recently as 2008 for sure:

(http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww116/BlinkOnCrime/Blink%20On%20Crime/For%20Posting/SergioLaTraviata.gif)


In Violetta/Germont Scene from Down With Tyranny:

VIOLETTA: No! Don't tell me!
Don't tell me your terrible demand!

Where does the reality end and the performance begin? ::CowboySmiley::

My thoughts exactly.  Whatever happened to this little girl ... Sergio and Becky know.  If  neither had direct involvement ... I speculate that they are covering for a loved one.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 26, 2012, 05:13:07 PM
Thank you kindly Janet,  back at ya.

I posted a link ( thanks MuffyBee!) earlier to Isa's profile on NCMEC,  as it was referenced in the press conf to say "non-family abduction".

I just hit refresh and it has been changed to "missing and endangered".  

When this much time has gone by, and there are witnesses and surveillance-

Nobody will say WHO put Isa to bed except "the family".

LE makes NCMEC change the case classification from non-family abduction to missing and endangered and will not discuss being able to rule out the family.

Isa was not wearing pj's, she was reportedly wearing what she was last seen in at the baseball game.

The family says we don't want to be on camera to take away focus, and LE says them being on camera is helpful to generate leads.

Father was at ballpark later than the rest of the family to clean up and Isa was with him.

I could go on-  none of any of this is logical.

There is no logical behavior patterns in any of the information we have been given if this family truly believes Isa was abducted by a stranger from the home.

It is one thing to be unsure of a piece of information here or there,  but in reality, the only FACT we have is a 911 call, it's timestamp, and parents that have said we want you not to focus on us, but our daughter but we refuse to answer any questions to help with that effort.  

As an example- when Mr. Celis told the person or persons responsible for taking Isa to tell them their demands,  how was he expecting that call to come in exactly? From a home they will not return to?

Does that make any sense to anyone?  Does he KNOW that the "kidnapper" has their cell phones, etc?  

The Patz family refused to move for 33 years so far in the even Etan was alive and could return to his home.

If BAU thought that this was an abduction for ransom,  they would have coached the Celis's very precisely as to their statement/appearance, period.

I cannot think of a single case where the BAU/FBI did not WISH to meet with the parents of a missing child.

Conversely, I can think of many where the parent/caregiver/person hiding something refused or refused through an attorney.

If Jose Baez shows up in Tucson so help me Jesus.

Does the couple strike me as parents that would intentionally harm their child? No, they are low risk for that for everything we  know so far.

So, why are their actions in contradiction to their own stated theory, that of LE, and unwilling to do anything to change it to find Isa?

  


NANCY GRACE
Search Intensifies for Missing Tucson 6-Year-Old
Aired April 25, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

NANCY GRACE, HOST:  In the last hours, cops remove fabric and pillows from a red hatchback parked in the driveway, as crime scene tape goes back up at the missing girl`s home. And tonight, we learn Isabel usually sleeps with her two older brothers, but not the night she disappears. Why?

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/25/ng.01.html




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on April 26, 2012, 05:30:31 PM
Usually sleeps with her older brothers...isn't one of them 14 yrs old? A little past the age of wanting to sleep with siblings? In the same bed or just in the same room, which would be more ok...she might be scared to sleep in her own room alone at 6 yrs old...not making an issue of the sleeping arrangements except that a  14 yr old usually like their privacy in their own room don't they? and the one night that she is in her own room, this happens..
Mind you, I don't think that the parents did this, a relative or close aquaintince probably..however, nothing surprises me anymore in these cases.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 26, 2012, 05:58:12 PM
Usually sleeps with her older brothers...isn't one of them 14 yrs old? A little past the age of wanting to sleep with siblings? In the same bed or just in the same room, which would be more ok...she might be scared to sleep in her own room alone at 6 yrs old...not making an issue of the sleeping arrangements except that a  14 yr old usually like their privacy in their own room don't they? and the one night that she is in her own room, this happens..
Mind you, I don't think that the parents did this, a relative or close aquaintince probably..however, nothing surprises me anymore in these cases.


Nancy Grace alleged that her sources claim that although it was out of the usual ... Isabel slept in her own room ... not her brothers' room ... on the night she was allegedly kidnapped.  Coincidence?  I don't think so.

Could it be ... along with the open window ... the removed screen ... a stage was being set to protect a loved one from illegal wrongdoing that result in Isabel's demise?

Janet

+++++++

Tucson parents of missing girl vow: 'Never give up'
Apr. 25, 2012 09:53 PM


<snipped>

Hundreds of parents and children gathered at the park -- where friends of the family said Isabel and her brothers, 10-year-old Julian and 14-year-old Sergio Jr., play ball -- to light candles and pray for the girl's safe return.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/25/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 26, 2012, 06:00:09 PM
http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2012/04/isabel-celis-parents-plea-for-her.html

Quote
I am troubled by many things in this plea:
1. Their focus is on themselves--"We just wanted to let you guys know..." "We are cooperating to the fullest extent.."  These are their first thoughts!!
2. Becky slips and says, "We do not want you to focus...or...we don't want the focus to be taken off of Isabel." Is that a subconscious slip of the tongue?
3. The higher pitch of Sergio's voice...
4. The lack of tears when they appear to be crying.
5. The lack of oblique eyebrows at key times when they attempt to express true sadness.
6. The lack of urgency to find their daughter. They start the interview by thanking people instead of pleading for people to keep a lookout for their daughter, give her description, etc. Which would be more important to you if your daughter was missing?
7.  Their complete despair and lack of hope. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 26, 2012, 07:26:29 PM
Quote
Nancy Grace alleged that her sources claim that although it was out of the usual ... Isabel slept in her own room ... not her brothers' room
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/25/ng.01.html

so maybe 1 of the 4 BR is a home office, the Sales History,looks a little shaky

5602 E 12th St Tucson, AZ 85711

Estimated Value $279,371
Status:Not For Sale
Beds:4 Bed... Baths:3 Bath.... House Size:2,350 Sq Ft....Lot Size:0.21 Acres

Sales History
March 7, 2006 $435,000 MLS
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/5602-E-12th-St_Tucson_AZ_85711_M21045-52912?source=web


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 26, 2012, 07:29:08 PM
Could it be that the timeline that Alicia Stardevant recalls is out?  Could it be that the voices and barking were related to the arrival of the first responders on the scene?

Considering the 911 call was placed at 8:15 AM ... there is no way that LE was knocking on Alicia's door at 8:00 AM.

Janet


Police call missing girl case suspicious
updated 4/23/2012 12:19:24 PM ET


<snipped>

When Celis' father went to wake her up around 8 a.m. she was not it the home, according to Hawke.

The family called police around 8:15 a.m.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47132186/ns/local_news-tucson_az/t/police-call-missing-girl-case-suspicious/


Neighbor heard male voices near Celis home morning of disappearance
Posted: Apr 25, 2012 11:17 PM PDT
Updated: Apr 26, 2012 6:40 AM PDT


TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) - A woman who lives next door to the Celis family says she heard male voices and barking dogs outside her home early Saturday morning, the day 6-year-old Isabel Celis was reported missing.

Alicia Stardevant says it was around 6:30 a.m. when she was awakened by her dogs and heard the voices.  A wall separates Stardevant's home from Isabel's bedroom window.  Stardevant says the voices sounded like they were coming from her side of the wall, not the Celis home.

"My dogs were going crazy," Stardevant said. "Their dogs were going nuts, and I remember briefly waking up and hearing male voices outside my bedroom window. But it was light outside.  I didn't really think anything of it.  Then I went back to sleep.  Then at eight o'clock I got a  knock on the door saying she was missing."

Stardevant says she was sleepy, so she does not recall what the voices were saying.  She says the men were not whispering.

"I don't think that they were police," she said. "I mean I wasn't really paying attention, you know.  I was really tired, but I don't think it was."

Stardevant says since the incident, police have interviewed her several times.

<snipped>

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/17782943/neighborhood-around-celis-home-now-open

I was just watching HLN Vinnie Politan.

I learned that the neighbour was waken at approximately 6:30 am by the barking of the Celis family dogs as well as her dogs.  I learned that Alicia Stardevant heard voices above the sound of barking dogs through a closed window. I learned that the sun had risen 5:30 AM on the morning of April 21st.  I learned that a six foot wall with no entry for an intruder encompassed the entire property.  I learned that there was no sounds of a protesting child heard.  I was reminded that Becky would be in the process of getting ready for work.

Maybe something was happening that was connected to the disappearing of Isabel Celis at 6:30 AM on the morning of April 21st but ... obviously it was not a stranger child abduction that was in progress.

Again ... could it be that Alicia has the timing wrong and ... all the commotion was about the arrival of the first responders to the 911 call?  Could she have turned over ... went back to sleep and ... the next thing she knew LE was knocking on her door?

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 26, 2012, 09:09:14 PM
Video Missing girl's neighbor shows Nancy home

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/04/26/missing-girls-neighbor-shows-nancy-home-isabel-celis

Very interesting watching this


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 26, 2012, 09:48:41 PM
http://www.kpho.com/story/17797815/missing-tucson-girls-dad-in-court-this-morning
Missing Tucson girl's dad in court this morning

Quote
"He attended Tucson City Court on a matter that's related to animal violations, dog violations, I believe on of those dogs running at large, the other a vaccination violation," said Tucson police Lt. Fabian Pacheco.

Sergio Celis will have to reappear in court next month.
 

hmmm.....these are the same dogs that they didn't hear barking while their child was being abducted but that the neighbor could hear the morning of the report.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 26, 2012, 11:35:00 PM
Tucson police checking bodies of water for clues to missing girl


6 p.m. Update — Tucson police officers have begun checking bodies of water near the neighborhood of missing first-grader Isabel Celis, said police Chief Roberto Villaseñor.

He said officers are primarily checking the water areas for any signs that may be connected to Isabel’s disappearance.

Officers are not going into the water and no dive teams have been called in, he said. The searching now is just visual.

Officers have looked around the lake at Charles Ford/Lakeside Park, east of Pantano Road and south of East Golf Links Road, and several water retention basins in the area, he said.

 ::snipping2::

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/tucson-police-checking-bodies-of-water-for-clues-to-missing/article_e6e900d6-8fdb-11e1-a11c-001a4bcf887a.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 26, 2012, 11:58:18 PM
Video Missing girl's neighbor shows Nancy home

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/04/26/missing-girls-neighbor-shows-nancy-home-isabel-celis

Very interesting watching this

The video from the link above:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/th_MissinggirlsneighborshowsNancyhomeHLNtv-com.jpg) (http://s14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/?action=view&current=MissinggirlsneighborshowsNancyhomeHLNtv-com.mp4)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2012, 12:01:36 AM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149160625.html (http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149160625.html)

Portrait of a cheerful little girl: Isa Celis brightened lives of friends and family
Friends of the family: She was an athletic girly girl


CREATED 5:35 PM

Reporter: Claire Doan

TUCSON (KGUN9-TV) – While southern Arizona works to bring Isabel home, many of us actually know very little about this girl. Who is Isabel Celis?

It has been 6 days since Isabel vanished from this home on the east side, and most of what we know about her is from fliers: She’s 6-year-old, 44 pounds, 4’4” and has brown hair and hazel eyes.

But family and friends remember “Isa” as a cheerful, smart first-grader.

“She’s a sweet little girl. She’s a girly girl who loves pink and purple,” said Melissa Hodges, a volunteer and a friend of Rebecca Celis, Isabel’s mother.

Hodges said Isabel loves having her hair braided, wearing dresses, wearing makeup and being pampered.

“She likes getting her nails done, doing Spa Day with her grandma,” said Julie Degroat, another family friend.

Joe Vega, a close family friend and baseball coach, said Isa is also very athletic.
 ::snipping2::
(http://media.jsonline.com/images/Isabel+Celis+4x3.jpg)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 27, 2012, 12:14:23 AM
I noticed that running headline on the video but I didn't pay it any attention as the neighbor never mentioned that in her interview.  I assumed that NG's folks had put a runner on there from another case.  I've seen those types of errors before.

If the neighbor did talk about that NG must be saving it for another night.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 27, 2012, 12:17:52 AM
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/entertainment/events/10-things-to-do-in-arizona-this-weekend-426

10 things to do in Arizona this weekend
 


Quote
The hearts and minds of Arizonans are on Isabel Mercedes Celis. The search continues for the missing 6- year-old in Tucson. Her father, Sergio Celis, is a longtime tenor of the Arizona Opera Chorus. Sunday night they will hold a free concert, "Voices of Hope," to show support for the family in the way they know best; through music. Donations will be appreciated but this concert is a show of support for her family.



 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Amys Sister on April 27, 2012, 03:31:48 AM
Here is the raw video for anyone that missed it:

http://www.kvoa.com/videos/raw-celis-parents-plea-for-daughter-s-return/

The first statement of the father's tells me everything I need to know.

"We are cooperating fully in the investigation".

I do not know what happened in that home, but I do know that those parents do not believe their daughter was yanked out of a 13" window over 5' off the ground for some sort of ransom, and neither does LE.

I want to believe them but I just don't.

Seemed phony baloney.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 08:37:10 AM
Well, I really don't know what to think in this case.  In the video of the parents addressing the viewers...I feel that mom was sincere...dad is hard to say because he is an actor (am I correct, I think I read that) so I wouldn't even try and read him.  Maybe the words they spoke were scripted?  Maybe LE wanted them to say certain things.  I don't know...it's hard to believe that no one heard anything...but, it is a large home with solid walls.  When my one dog barks...I hear her...even if I have taken Tylenol PM and she is in the farthest room from me.  I think it is likely that she slept in her own room because they got in so late.  Maybe she fell asleep playing in there since she did have her clothes on from earlier.  Anyhow, my daughter keeps talking to me so I can't concentrate...ha.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on April 27, 2012, 09:01:09 AM
Isabele may have fallen asleep  in the car on the way back from the baseball game so dad carried her in and put her in her own room rather than where she normally sleeps? Especially if the brothers were still up....dunno...


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 09:03:20 AM
Isabele may have fallen asleep  in the car on the way back from the baseball game so dad carried her in and put her in her own room rather than where she normally sleeps? Especially if the brothers were still up....dunno...


Yep, that makes sense.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 27, 2012, 09:58:21 AM
Video Missing girl's neighbor shows Nancy home

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/04/26/missing-girls-neighbor-shows-nancy-home-isabel-celis

Very interesting watching this

Very.

There are latent lifts on the bottom of that window and the processing label is still on it from forensics.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: melisb on April 27, 2012, 10:38:28 AM
I noticed that running headline on the video but I didn't pay it any attention as the neighbor never mentioned that in her interview.  I assumed that NG's folks had put a runner on there from another case.  I've seen those types of errors before.

If the neighbor did talk about that NG must be saving it for another night.

When I was watching the neighbor on HLN with Vinnie Politan yest she did state something about the voices not sounding like they were arguing but friendly enough that Isa wouldn't be afraid of the people talking and might go with them without fearing them.  That is not verbatim but what I would like to know is if she also heard Isa or a least a female voice talking at that time?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: melisb on April 27, 2012, 10:42:14 AM
Isabele may have fallen asleep  in the car on the way back from the baseball game so dad carried her in and put her in her own room rather than where she normally sleeps? Especially if the brothers were still up....dunno...


Yep, that makes sense.

Did anyone see her come home that night is the question other than the Dad?  If everyone was asleep when he came in (with or without? her)there is no telling what happened or if he was followed or if she was really with him!  Dad's not looking real good to me and that may be why Mom is a little off.  She may be playing along to keep her suspected enemy close.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 11:04:09 AM
Well, I really don't know what to think in this case.  In the video of the parents addressing the viewers...I feel that mom was sincere...dad is hard to say because he is an actor (am I correct, I think I read that) so I wouldn't even try and read him.  Maybe the words they spoke were scripted?  Maybe LE wanted them to say certain things.  I don't know...it's hard to believe that no one heard anything...but, it is a large home with solid walls.  When my one dog barks...I hear her...even if I have taken Tylenol PM and she is in the farthest room from me.  I think it is likely that she slept in her own room because they got in so late.  Maybe she fell asleep playing in there since she did have her clothes on from earlier.  Anyhow, my daughter keeps talking to me so I can't concentrate...ha.

The debate could go back and forth why at 6:30 AM those within the Celis home would not have heard three frantic barking dogs as well as the voices that woke Alicia.

The issue is why would anyone carry through with the act of kidnapping a little girl after the rising of the sun while three residence dogs were going "crazy" as well as knowing the entire family was inside that home?  Why would anybody while in the process of a kidnapping be talking loud enough that a next door neighbour through a closed window could make out voices over the barking dogs.

It doesn't make sense unless ... Alicia had the time wrong and what she was hearing was the commotion surrounding the arrival of the first responders or ... a staging/cover up was in progress after something bad happened following the baseball game..

Janet

+++++

NANCY GRACE
Celis Neighbor Heard Dogs Barking, Men`s Voices
Aired April 26, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

ALICIA STARDEVANT, NEIGHBOR: .I got woken up by my dogs. They were barking their heads off. And I noticed two male voices outside my bedroom window. Their dogs were going insane, completely nuts.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/26/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 11:15:42 AM
What was revealed in the surveillance footage?  I had thought this footage would be the smoking gun that would provide the truth regarding the happening throughout the night prior to the missing persons report on the morning of March 21st.

Janet

+++++

NANCY GRACE
Celis Neighbor Heard Dogs Barking, Men`s Voices
Aired April 26, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: And joining us, special guest, Rick Moore, the owner of Moore Security Services. His business has surveillance cameras actually pointed toward the Celis family home.

Rick Moore, thank you for being with us.

RICK MOORE, BUSINESS HAS SURVEILLANCE POINTED TOWARD GIRL`S HOME: Thank you, Nancy.

GRACE: Rick, how is it, may I ask, that you have surveillance cameras that are pointing toward the family home?

MOORE: Well, that is quite a coincidence. But what happens is I have a showroom right here in the back alley about 30 yards from the front door of the Celis residence. So because our employees park their vehicles here and of course we want to make sure that nobody breaks into our showroom and our security store, we have cameras in the back and they happened to be pointing right at the alley and right at the Celis family resident street.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/26/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 11:20:39 AM
What was revealed in the surveillance footage?  I had thought this footage would be the smoking gun that would provide the truth regarding the happening throughout the night prior to the missing persons report on the morning of March 21st.

Janet

+++++

NANCY GRACE
Celis Neighbor Heard Dogs Barking, Men`s Voices
Aired April 26, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: And joining us, special guest, Rick Moore, the owner of Moore Security Services. His business has surveillance cameras actually pointed toward the Celis family home.

Rick Moore, thank you for being with us.

RICK MOORE, BUSINESS HAS SURVEILLANCE POINTED TOWARD GIRL`S HOME: Thank you, Nancy.

GRACE: Rick, how is it, may I ask, that you have surveillance cameras that are pointing toward the family home?

MOORE: Well, that is quite a coincidence. But what happens is I have a showroom right here in the back alley about 30 yards from the front door of the Celis residence. So because our employees park their vehicles here and of course we want to make sure that nobody breaks into our showroom and our security store, we have cameras in the back and they happened to be pointing right at the alley and right at the Celis family resident street.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/26/ng.01.html


They really have to know who took her/or at least who didn't take her with this footage.  It sounds like quality cameras.  Amazing that these just happen to be pointed at the house.  Maybe they are trying to gather further evidence...maybe this is why they have had so many search warrants for the home.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 27, 2012, 11:26:52 AM
Janet, on the NG video link Alicia says she checked her cell phone when she heard the voices and dogs barking and it said 6:28 AM.  I found her to be extremely credible and objective.

I am not able to come up with any theory where I can even fathom being untruthful with LE regardless of the circumstances if one felt their child was abducted.

Even if it was as simple as "O I thought she went home with you" and the other parent thought she went home with them, and the child ended up disappearing from the park-  loving and concerned parents are not going to hide that information as it would be critical to finding her-

They are not going to stage some ruse.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 11:54:36 AM
Janet, on the NG video link Alicia says she checked her cell phone when she heard the voices and dogs barking and it said 6:28 AM.  I found her to be extremely credible and objective.

I am not able to come up with any theory where I can even fathom being untruthful with LE regardless of the circumstances if one felt their child was abducted.

Even if it was as simple as "O I thought she went home with you" and the other parent thought she went home with them, and the child ended up disappearing from the park-  loving and concerned parents are not going to hide that information as it would be critical to finding her-

They are not going to stage some ruse.

Blink

I also consider Alicia a very credible witness.  However ... she was wrong about the time LE and Isabel's uncle knock on her door.  Even last night on NG she stuck to her story that the time was 8:00 AM.  The 911 call by the family did not happen until 8:15 AM.  I would assume that the time had to have been at least 8:30 AM.

I am just attempting to make sense of all the commotion ... barking dogs ... voices.  A child kidnapper operates silently in an environment that would insure a parent/sibling would not intervene.

Again ... I believe IF Alicia's timing was correct ... a staging/cover up was in progress ... not a kidnapping.  If her timing is off ... the commotion she heard may have been the arrival of the first responders.  I could be wrong.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 11:54:44 AM
Could it be that the timeline that Alicia Stardevant recalls is out?  Could it be that the voices and barking were related to the arrival of the first responders on the scene?

Considering the 911 call was placed at 8:15 AM ... there is no way that LE was knocking on Alicia's door at 8:00 AM.

Janet


Police call missing girl case suspicious
updated 4/23/2012 12:19:24 PM ET


<snipped>

When Celis' father went to wake her up around 8 a.m. she was not it the home, according to Hawke.

The family called police around 8:15 a.m.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47132186/ns/local_news-tucson_az/t/police-call-missing-girl-case-suspicious/


Neighbor heard male voices near Celis home morning of disappearance
Posted: Apr 25, 2012 11:17 PM PDT
Updated: Apr 26, 2012 6:40 AM PDT


TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) - A woman who lives next door to the Celis family says she heard male voices and barking dogs outside her home early Saturday morning, the day 6-year-old Isabel Celis was reported missing.

Alicia Stardevant says it was around 6:30 a.m. when she was awakened by her dogs and heard the voices.  A wall separates Stardevant's home from Isabel's bedroom window.  Stardevant says the voices sounded like they were coming from her side of the wall, not the Celis home.

"My dogs were going crazy," Stardevant said. "Their dogs were going nuts, and I remember briefly waking up and hearing male voices outside my bedroom window. But it was light outside.  I didn't really think anything of it.  Then I went back to sleep.  Then at eight o'clock I got a  knock on the door saying she was missing."

Stardevant says she was sleepy, so she does not recall what the voices were saying.  She says the men were not whispering.

"I don't think that they were police," she said. "I mean I wasn't really paying attention, you know.  I was really tired, but I don't think it was."

Stardevant says since the incident, police have interviewed her several times.

<snipped>

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/17782943/neighborhood-around-celis-home-now-open


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 12:11:15 PM

They really have to know who took her/or at least who didn't take her with this footage.  It sounds like quality cameras.  Amazing that these just happen to be pointed at the house.  Maybe they are trying to gather further evidence...maybe this is why they have had so many search warrants for the home.


I hope so.  Could it be that neither parent took a polygraph?

Janet

++++

NANCY GRACE
Celis Neighbor Heard Dogs Barking, Men`s Voices
Aired April 26, 2012 - 20:00   ET

<snipped>


GRACE: Lieutenant, couple of questions. And I think I know what your answer is going to be. Have any polygraphs been administered?

PACHECO: Well, again, we`re a pretty large agency with a lot of resources. So in these types of investigations, those are kind of standard practice without telling you one way or another to not hurt the investigation, I can assure you that we`ve done everything possible up to this point. ...

GRACE: I hear what you`re saying. As former law enforcement, if you`ve done everything you can, my analysis, I don`t expect you to comment is that you have given a polygraph to every single person that would agree to be strapped up.

<snipped>

GRACE: I know your team is trying everything they can. How important was it to you for the family to speak out? The mom and dad. Hasn`t it increased your tips?

PACHECO: Yes, they have. And it is very important. However, it`s also equally important to recognize that we never discourage the family from speaking to the media.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/26/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 12:45:50 PM
What was revealed in the surveillance footage?  I had thought this footage would be the smoking gun that would provide the truth regarding the happening throughout the night prior to the missing persons report on the morning of March 21st.

Janet

+++++

NANCY GRACE
Celis Neighbor Heard Dogs Barking, Men`s Voices
Aired April 26, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: And joining us, special guest, Rick Moore, the owner of Moore Security Services. His business has surveillance cameras actually pointed toward the Celis family home.

Rick Moore, thank you for being with us.

RICK MOORE, BUSINESS HAS SURVEILLANCE POINTED TOWARD GIRL`S HOME: Thank you, Nancy.

GRACE: Rick, how is it, may I ask, that you have surveillance cameras that are pointing toward the family home?

MOORE: Well, that is quite a coincidence. But what happens is I have a showroom right here in the back alley about 30 yards from the front door of the Celis residence. So because our employees park their vehicles here and of course we want to make sure that nobody breaks into our showroom and our security store, we have cameras in the back and they happened to be pointing right at the alley and right at the Celis family resident street.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/26/ng.01.html




Is surveillance video key to solving missing girl investigation?
Posted: Apr 25, 2012 7:40 PM
Updated: Apr 25, 2012 7:40 PM


TUCSON - Police are investigating hundreds of leads regarding the disppearance of Isabel Celis, but one business in the area may have a big key to help solve the puzzle.

Rick Moore of Moore Security Solutions has surveillance cameras placed right outside his company--a company that is just feet away from Isabel Celis' family home.

Rick Moore said his cameras were on the watch the night Isabel disappeared.

"And the cameras that we have located in the back were looking where a lot of things were happening," said Moore.

Moore said he believes these cameras provide more information to police than any other nearby camera because of their location.

"In terms of maybe license plate numbers, cars going by - these cameras also have infrared technology so you can see at nighttime and that will help too, since the abduction occurred between 11 and 8 o'clock," said Moore.

Moore said on Saturday, his general manager spent about five hours with police, showing them surveillance video of the area, and on Monday, they were back again to review video and get a copy of activity from 10 p.m. Friday night to 9 a.m. Saturday morning.

"There was activity going on," he said. "There were vehicles...there were people wandering around. There were things that we saw and we did get recorded so that information we did release to the police."

<snipped>

http://www.kvoa.com/news/is-surveillance-video-key-to-solving-missing-girl-investigation-/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 01:05:26 PM
(http://media.jsonline.com/images/2012-04-26+floorplan.jpg)

Hope this hasn't been posted yet.  Anyhow the article states wide gaps between rooms.

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149171495.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 01:48:14 PM

It is daylight ... family member are home ... there are three residence dogs and ... a 6' wall surrounds the home.  Logic dictates that the disappearing of Isabel Celis was not an abduction.  IMO

Janet

+++++


NANCY GRACE
Tucson Police Search for Missing 6-Year-Old
Aired April 23, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: I want to go back to neighbor Cynthia Mort from Tucson joining us. She lives right there in the neighborhood with the Celis family. This home seems to be very much fortified. It looks to be a fence on all perimeters, Ms. Mort. Am I seeing the photos correctly?

MORT: Yes, there is. There`s a fence all the way around. In fact, it`s a patio wall. So there`s a wall all the way around that house.

GRACE: Yes, I`m seeing a large, it looks like stucco wall. It looks to be from here over five feet tall. And then on one side, I would say the back left side, there is a wooden wall about the same height. It`s solid. You can`t see through it. And I don`t see a gate. So whoever did this would have to scale this wall and get into the home.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/23/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 01:49:19 PM

It is daylight ... family member are home ... there are three residence dogs and ... a 6' wall surrounds the home.  Logic dictates that the disappearing of Isabel Celis was not an abduction.  IMO

Janet

+++++


NANCY GRACE
Tucson Police Search for Missing 6-Year-Old
Aired April 23, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: I want to go back to neighbor Cynthia Mort from Tucson joining us. She lives right there in the neighborhood with the Celis family. This home seems to be very much fortified.[/color] It looks to be a fence on all perimeters, Ms. Mort. Am I seeing the photos correctly?

MORT: Yes, there is. There`s a fence all the way around. In fact, it`s a patio wall. So there`s a wall all the way around that house.

GRACE: Yes, I`m seeing a large, it looks like stucco wall. It looks to be from here over five feet tall. And then on one side, I would say the back left side, there is a wooden wall about the same height. It`s solid. You can`t see through it. And I don`t see a gate. So whoever did this would have to scale this wall and get into the home.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/23/ng.01.html


I agree with you Janet.  It seems highly unlikely that someone would risk being caught, knowing that there is a high fence all the way around...daylight (if that's when it happened), parents possibly being awake (if 6:30 is when it happened) and the dogs going crazy.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 02:08:04 PM

I agree with you Janet.  It seems highly unlikely that someone would risk being caught, knowing that there is a high fence all the way around...daylight (if that's when it happened), parents possibly being awake (if 6:30 is when it happened) and the dogs going crazy.

Alicia was certain in regards to the time she heard all the commotion outside her bedroom window on the other side of the wall.

Could it be that at 6:30 AM a staging was in process ... a staging which implied barking dogs/family at home/daylight would not have been an issue when a 6' cement wall surrounding the yard is considered?

Could it be that Isabel met her demise sometime following the ball game?

I am convinced the surveillance footage will be the smoking gun.

Janet

+++++


NANCY GRACE
Celis Neighbor Heard Dogs Barking, Men`s Voices
Aired April 26, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: So you heard the dogs, the Celis dogs, barking outside. How do you know that it was 6:30 AM?

STARDEVANT: Because I -- it was really early and I wanted to know what time it was, so I checked my cell phone real quick to see what time it was.

GRACE: Now, your...

STARDEVANT: And it was, like, 6:28.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/26/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 02:10:56 PM
(http://media.jsonline.com/images/2012-04-26+floorplan.jpg)

Hope this hasn't been posted yet.  Anyhow the article states wide gaps between rooms.

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149171495.html

Thanks labubske.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 02:17:17 PM
Are investigators wanting affirmation to the coach's claim that Isabel was at the ball game on Friday evening.  There were rumors that she was not at school on Friday.  Maybe the timeline regarding a last sighting outside the family is about to change.

Janet

+++++


Pace of tips coming in has slowed; police search bodies of water
Updated Apr 27, 2012, 9:21 am


<snipped>

As the search for missing 6-year-old Isabel Celis moved into its seventh day, police said Friday morning that the pace of tips coming into investigators has slowed and they are asking for photographs and video from anyone who may have been at a park or event the Celis family attended.

<snipped>

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/042612_celis_missing_tucson1/tpd-wants-video-photos-events-with-celis-family/




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 02:35:38 PM

Little League team holds vigil for missing girl
April 25th, 2012 04:27 PM ET


<snipped>

Vega, who coached baseball with Sergio Celis, said he told him the family was allowed to back into the house Tuesday to get a few things but the situation has been very hard for them.

Another coach, George Hanna, told HLN’s Natisha Lance, “I trust Sergio and his wife with my children and I always will.”

Hanna said Isabel and her family were at the ballpark watching a game last Friday night  and Sergio stayed afterward to help clean up, which may be why Isabel went to sleep so late.

<snipped>

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/25/little-league-team-holds-vigil-for-missing-girl/?hpt=ng_mid


Candlelight vigil held for missing 6-year-old girl
Posted: Apr 25, 2012 12:21 AM PDT
Updated: Apr 26, 2012 12:23 AM PDT


<snipped>

Friends said the last time they saw Isabel was last Friday night. She was at the ball park with her family, watching her brother play baseball. Friends said the game started late, and that is probably why Isabel went to bed so late that night.

<snipped>

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/17728195/candlelight-vigil-held-for-missing-6-year-old-girl


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 02:39:05 PM
(http://media2.abc15.com//photo/2012/04/21/Isabel_Mercedes_Celis_20120421150151_320_240.JPG)

(http://media2.abc15.com//photo/2010/05/16/ap_logo_20100516130557_60_45.JPG)




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 02:42:52 PM
I am hopeful stuff is happening behind the scenes in the Isabel Celis investigation and ... arrests will be forthcoming.

I am convinced that the surveillance footage will be the smoking gun.

I am off.  Have a good afternoon all.

Janet
11:35 AM PT


JUSTICE FOR ISABEL!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: sunshine12 on April 27, 2012, 02:54:26 PM
I am hopeful stuff is happening behind the scenes in the Isabel Celis investigation and ... arrests will be forthcoming.

I am convinced that the surveillance footage will be the smoking gun.

I am off.  Have a good afternoon all.

Janet
11:35 AM PT


JUSTICE FOR ISABEL!

i agree janet.  i think dad is involved and/or knows who is involved. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 27, 2012, 02:56:37 PM
I have been going over the neighbors interview again, and I apologize if I missed anyone addressing this already, but I think after reviewing it again, that the Uncle knocked on her door around 8- 8:05am, did not identify Isa as his niece, they had a brief exchange, and then she got dressed, went outside around 8:15, looked over at the window, and then spoke to LE when they responded.

I think it was just a situation of NG peppering her with questions and not picking up that the times were not correct, imo.

What continues to bother me, is that if your child is discovered missing with an open window- aren't you going to yell their name out of it, first thing?

Not one person, including this neighbor is saying that the family was yelling through the neighborhood, yet the brother is at the store asking if they heard anything at about the same time.

Also, wouldn't it mean the Uncle stayed over at the home, if he is over at the neighbor at 8am?

Male voices outside the window at 6:28 AM,  Uncle at neighbor by 8,  911 call to LE by 8:15am.  I would really like to know if Becky was called at work before 911.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 27, 2012, 02:58:27 PM
TPD wants video, photos of events with Celis familyPace of tips coming in has slowed; police search bodies of water

As the search for missing 6-year-old Isabel Celis moved into its seventh day, police said Friday morning that the pace of tips coming into investigators has slowed and they are asking for photographs and video from anyone who may have been at a park or event the Celis family attended.

With the help of Pima County Sheriff's Department boats and sonar equipment, investigators searched the lake at Lakeside Park for any signs of Isabel or evidence that might lead to her. Police also searched bodies of water at Kennedy, Reid and Columbus parks, but had no breakthroughs, said TPD spokesman Lt. Fabian Pacheco.

TPD said Thursday morning that they were receiving a steady stream of tips, in part because of a statement made to the press Wednesday by Sergio and Becky Celis, the parents of Isabel. They have received more than 300 tips.

 ::snipping2::

Pacheco also said they are receiving the cooperation of Mexican authorities who have been looking at bus stations and businesses.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/042612_celis_missing_tucson1/tpd-wants-video-photos-events-with-celis-family/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 27, 2012, 03:04:08 PM
Isabel Celis missing one week

 ::snipping2::

Police say the search took them to several local parks and lakes near the girl's home.

"There was an extensive search there, of Lakeside Park; however, nothing turned up," said Tucson Police Lt. Fabian Pacheco. "We then continued that search to other bodies of water here. We searched Green Park Lake, and also Columbus park, and North Silver Bell. So that's yet another angle as it relates to searching bodies of water. "

 ::snipping2::

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/318061/28/Lake-searched-for-missing-6-year-old-girl-


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 27, 2012, 03:07:02 PM

Police encourage public to submit more tips about Isabel Celis

 ::snipping2::


They were led to Lakeside Park because of a tip, police said.

Ground searches continue as investigators canvass certain areas.

Police say they’re still considering all possibilities but have not yet ruled out a kidnapping.

Investigators don’t believe she ran away, police said.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_central_southern_az/tucson/police-encourage-public-to-submit-more-tips-about-isabel-celis


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 27, 2012, 03:11:50 PM
wondering if the park, and the surrounding dumpsters ,at the plaza were searched
reedom park
5000 E. 29th St. Tucson, Arizona 85711
http://g.co/maps/592n5


ball Schedule
http://www.eteamz.com/freedomlittleleaguetucson/schedules/index.cfm?season=593738&division=5340741&iRowShowOverride=5

http://www.eteamz.com/freedomlittleleaguetucson/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: sunshine12 on April 27, 2012, 03:12:34 PM
according to the Tucson Government website, there is no trash pickup in residential areas anywhere in the city on saturdays. Here is a link to the pick up map:
 
http://cms3.tucsonaz.gov/sites/default/files/esd/pickupmap03_1.pdf
 
i am trying to see if there is any info on trash collection for dumpsters or pick up at Freedom Park, where Isa was allegedly on friday night.

Also, now the police are asking for people who were at the baseball game at Freedom Park friday night to contact them, especially people who have video of the event. Here is the link to that article:
 
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/17836386/day-7-finding-isabel


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 03:29:16 PM
I have been going over the neighbors interview again, and I apologize if I missed anyone addressing this already, but I think after reviewing it again, that the Uncle knocked on her door around 8- 8:05am, did not identify Isa as his niece, they had a brief exchange, and then she got dressed, went outside around 8:15, looked over at the window, and then spoke to LE when they responded.

I think it was just a situation of NG peppering her with questions and not picking up that the times were not correct, imo.

What continues to bother me, is that if your child is discovered missing with an open window- aren't you going to yell their name out of it, first thing?

Not one person, including this neighbor is saying that the family was yelling through the neighborhood, yet the brother is at the store asking if they heard anything at about the same time.

Also, wouldn't it mean the Uncle stayed over at the home, if he is over at the neighbor at 8am?

Male voices outside the window at 6:28 AM,  Uncle at neighbor by 8,  911 call to LE by 8:15am.  I would really like to know if Becky was called at work before 911.

Hi Blink

In the NG interview Alicia claims that she heard the commotion ... went back to sleep and ... the next thing she heard was an officer and Isabel's uncle knocking on her door at 8:00 AM.  Considering the 911 call reporting Isabel missing was made at 8:15 AM ... I would assume that Alicia's was mistaken about the time.  Unlike her 6:30 AM awakening ... Alicia may not have check the actual time.

The uncle?  I never read that the uncle spent the night at the Celis'.  Could it be that the uncle was living with Isabel's grandparent who resided a short distance away?  Could it be that he was contacted by his brother/SIL around the same time as the 911 call was placed and asked if Isabel was there?

IMO

Janet

+++++

NANCY GRACE
Celis Neighbor Heard Dogs Barking, Men`s Voices
Aired April 26, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: We are taking your calls. And joining me right now, a special guest, a guest who is emerging as a crucial witness in this search for Isabel Celis, Alicia Stardevant, the next-door neighbor whose bedroom window only feet from Isabel`s.

Alicia, again, thank you for being with us. After you heard the male voices that morning, 6:30 AM, I assume you tried to go back to sleep. What was the next thing you heard?

STARDEVANT: The next thing I heard was a knock on my front door from her uncle and an officer saying that Isabel was missing.

GRACE: What time was that?

STARDEVANT: It`d be 8:00.

GRACE: So at 8:00 AM. Are you sure of that time?

STARDEVANT: It might have been 8:05. It was definitely 8:00-ish.

<snipped>

GRACE: When? What time?

STARDEVANT: It was right -- it was right after they told me. I put on some clothes, and I looked over the wall. So it was probably, like, 8:15 maybe.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/26/ng.01.html


Police call missing girl case suspicious
updated 4/23/2012 12:19:24 PM ET


<snipped>

When Celis' father went to wake her up around 8 a.m. she was not it the home, according to Hawke.

The family called police around 8:15 a.m.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47132186/ns/local_news-tucson_az/t/police-call-missing-girl-case-suspicious/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 27, 2012, 03:36:53 PM
There is no residential garbage on Saturday, it is Thursday, I posted the search screenshot upthread, and I have not found a single commercial hauler that has a Saturday pick up.

Anyone know if trash is mandatory union labor in AZ?


If something happened to this child accidentally, I am just not feeling these people would make all this up, not both of them anyway.

And if it did, then someone needs to come clean for Isa and her brothers sake.  I can forgive accidents ( not the Cword kind, I mean the real ones)

If it is a situation like I opined earlier, that it was a " I thought she was with you" deal, and they are making this up to avoid a charge of some kind and thinking-

"well, we have investigators looking for her anyway so why put ourselves in a position to be arrested if she was nabbed under or nose" or whatever,  I am going to lose it.  The investigative time that scenario would waste is unforgivable.

In my experience, if we are getting more and more detail after 7 days, which all seems to point to the scenario presented as unbelievable and illogical, something is going to have to break soon.


CPS had better have been called, and Isabel and her brothers should be appointed a GAL.

Lastly, could the Uncle have been confused for the brother at the convenience store?  


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 27, 2012, 03:42:13 PM
Janet you are exactly right about the wording,  I am going to need to review it against the video again.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 27, 2012, 03:43:06 PM
is the uncle the celis that lives at 5701 E 12th


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: New Monkey on April 27, 2012, 03:44:13 PM
The searching of bodies of water in the area lead me to believe LE is leaning towards the mother maybe? Don't stats show that the mother puts her child in a body of water?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: sunshine12 on April 27, 2012, 04:13:04 PM
The searching of bodies of water in the area lead me to believe LE is leaning towards the mother maybe? Don't stats show that the mother puts her child in a body of water?

i think i read this somewhere because it's a "womb like" environment...i forget where i read it though.  it has to do with some psychological thing.  I think they are searching the bodies of water because they would be negligent not to in a missing persons investigation.  I think it just shows that they are fairly certain she is deceased.



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2012, 04:22:41 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/isabel-celis-search-gets-help-from-billboard-in-phoenix/
Isabel Celis search gets help from billboard in Phoenix
April 26, 2012



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: sunshine12 on April 27, 2012, 04:25:52 PM
do we know if the police were able to get warrants for the parents cell phone records to see where their phones (specifically the fathers) were pinging last friday night/early saturday morning?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 04:29:50 PM
Here is the link to the Freedom park baseball teams.  Who was playing that night?  Does anyone know? I am curious.

http://www.eteamz.com/freedomlittleleaguetucson/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 04:32:22 PM
Here is the link to the Freedom park baseball teams.  Who was playing that night?  Does anyone know? I am curious.

http://www.eteamz.com/freedomlittleleaguetucson/

I see the Yankees and the Dodgers in the Majors played at 7:30 on the 20th.  That's it.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 27, 2012, 04:40:21 PM
I have been going over the neighbors interview again, and I apologize if I missed anyone addressing this already, but I think after reviewing it again, that the Uncle knocked on her door around 8- 8:05am, did not identify Isa as his niece, they had a brief exchange, and then she got dressed, went outside around 8:15, looked over at the window, and then spoke to LE when they responded.

I think it was just a situation of NG peppering her with questions and not picking up that the times were not correct, imo.

What continues to bother me, is that if your child is discovered missing with an open window- aren't you going to yell their name out of it, first thing?

Not one person, including this neighbor is saying that the family was yelling through the neighborhood, yet the brother is at the store asking if they heard anything at about the same time.

Also, wouldn't it mean the Uncle stayed over at the home, if he is over at the neighbor at 8am?

Male voices outside the window at 6:28 AM,  Uncle at neighbor by 8,  911 call to LE by 8:15am.  I would really like to know if Becky was called at work before 911.
Wasn't it Klaas that posted something about another Celis family in the neighborhood?  Maybe Uncle was called first as he lived close by and dad thought maybe Isa was with him?   Maybe Uncle and dad are the voices that AS heard outside the window?  But that would mean that they searched alone from 6:28 until 8:15, right?

I REALLY want to know what that security video revealed.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 27, 2012, 04:46:32 PM
There is no residential garbage on Saturday, it is Thursday, I posted the search screenshot upthread, and I have not found a single commercial hauler that has a Saturday pick up.

Anyone know if trash is mandatory union labor in AZ?


If something happened to this child accidentally, I am just not feeling these people would make all this up, not both of them anyway.

And if it did, then someone needs to come clean for Isa and her brothers sake.  I can forgive accidents ( not the Cword kind, I mean the real ones)

If it is a situation like I opined earlier, that it was a " I thought she was with you" deal, and they are making this up to avoid a charge of some kind and thinking-

"well, we have investigators looking for her anyway so why put ourselves in a position to be arrested if she was nabbed under or nose" or whatever,  I am going to lose it.  The investigative time that scenario would waste is unforgivable.

In my experience, if we are getting more and more detail after 7 days, which all seems to point to the scenario presented as unbelievable and illogical, something is going to have to break soon.


CPS had better have been called, and Isabel and her brothers should be appointed a GAL.

Lastly, could the Uncle have been confused for the brother at the convenience store? 
Any thoughts on this scenario...mom and dad tell the kids to go to bed and they head over to Uncles for drinks and late meal.  Something happens and now the parents are covering for the older kids?  It still might've been accidental but they're trying to keep brothers out of it totally? 

I know, I know...far fetched.  I guess I just want everyone involved to be innocent of a crime against this child and maybe just be stupid with grief.  You know, opposite and KC...who was stupid of a crime and innocent of grief.  lol


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 04:50:33 PM
Here is the link to the Freedom park baseball teams.  Who was playing that night?  Does anyone know? I am curious.

http://www.eteamz.com/freedomlittleleaguetucson/

I see the Yankees and the Dodgers in the Majors played at 7:30 on the 20th.  That's it.

Field #2


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 27, 2012, 04:55:52 PM
Our late (7:30pm) games here are over at 9pm.  Even with cleanup we're out of there no later than 9:35 bathrooms and all.  Did anyone at the park stay with the Celis family the entire time and leave when they did?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 05:00:39 PM
Our late (7:30pm) games here are over at 9pm.  Even with cleanup we're out of there no later than 9:35 bathrooms and all.  Did anyone at the park stay with the Celis family the entire time and leave when they did?

Yeah KittyMom...my kids are usually done by then too...but here is the schedule for that day:

Fri 4/20    Diamond Yankees vs. Dodgers    7:30 PM - 9:30 PM    Freedom Field #2

http://www.eteamz.com/freedomlittleleaguetucson/index.cfm?subsite=6015246&league=2400178


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 05:02:00 PM
Our late (7:30pm) games here are over at 9pm.  Even with cleanup we're out of there no later than 9:35 bathrooms and all.  Did anyone at the park stay with the Celis family the entire time and leave when they did?

Yeah KittyMom...my kids are usually done by then too...but here is the schedule for that day:

Fri 4/20    Diamond Yankees vs. Dodgers    7:30 PM - 9:30 PM    Freedom Field #2

http://www.eteamz.com/freedomlittleleaguetucson/index.cfm?subsite=6015246&league=2400178

I didn't go and see how far away they lived from the park.  Yeah...usually everyone is out of there soon after the last game.  So, I don't know.  Didn't they say they didn't get in until 11?  Maybe I am wrong about that time though.  I didn't reference back.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 27, 2012, 05:02:39 PM
I wish we knew for sure if she was in school on Friday. The longer this goes on, the more I fear that at least one family member knows the true story.

Prayers for Isabel. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 06:18:55 PM
Isabel lived at 5602 12th street.  There is also a Celis family living at 5701 12th street.  Wonder if that residence has been searched as well?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: seahorse on April 27, 2012, 06:33:00 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#fcanchor

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#!prettyPhoto/0/

http://www.kvoa.com/local/

A Hat tip to those lovely IS posters (who never growl) ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 06:47:17 PM
Wasn't it Klaas that posted something about another Celis family in the neighborhood?  Maybe Uncle was called first as he lived close by and dad thought maybe Isa was with him?   Maybe Uncle and dad are the voices that AS heard outside the window?  But that would mean that they searched alone from 6:28 until 8:15, right?

I REALLY want to know what that security video revealed.

Dad claimed he found Isabel missing when he entered her bedroom to wake her at 8:00 AM.

KittyMom

You could be right about Dad and Uncle being the voices that Alicia heard at 6:30 AM.

Could it be that the dogs became excited momentarily when the Uncle arrived to assist Dad in a staging/cover up?

Could it be that this is when the window was raised and the screen taken away?

Keeping in mind that a hit was made in the home by one of the canines brought in by investigators ... could it be that a deceased Isabel had been taken from her bed and temporarily placed in the non-working vehicle ... an action captured by the survellience camera?

Again ... I am convinced that the survellience footage is the smoking gun and ... the search warrants are all about gathering evidence to back up what the smoking gun revealed.  I could be wrong.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 07:07:05 PM
Did the surveillance camera capture the "five potential witnesses"?  Has there not been credible onfirmation that Isabel was at the ball game?

Janet

++++

Tucson PD seeks 5 potential witnesses in disappearance of Isabel Celis
Posted on April 27, 2012 at 3:46 PM
Updated today at 3:54 PM

 
TUCSON, Ariz. -- The Tucson Police Department is looking for five potential witnesses who may have information about the disappearance of 6-year-old Isabel Celis.

The first-grader disappeared from her home between the hours of 11 p.m. on April 20 and 8 a.m. on April 21. Police said a window was open with the screen pushed aside.

Isabel is described as 3 feet 8 inches tall and weighing 44 pounds, with brown hair and hazel eyes.

On Friday afternoon, police said they believe two males and three females were walking near Isabel's neighborhood the night she disappeared and they are asked to call 911 as soon as possible.

It is believed the group was walking eastbound along the northern side of Saint Joseph's Catholic Church, located at 215 S. Craycroft Road, at approximately 1 a.m. to 1:30 a.m. on April 21, according to Sgt. Maria Hawke. They may have been walking in the direction of or directly to East Cooper Street. 

The group may have been leaving the area of the Cactus Moon Nightclub or Risky Business Restaurant and Bar located in the area of East Broadway Boulevard and South Craycroft Road.

Police are also looking for anyone who took video during a baseball game that Isabel's family attended the night before she disappeared.

<snipped>

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Tucson-PD-seeks-5-potential-witnesses-in-disappearance-of-Isabel-Celis-149308995.html




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 27, 2012, 07:19:54 PM
(http://www.kvoa.com/images/thumbnails/ECDF18DCC261958660A79CF443FC396A_160_120.jpg)
 ::snipping2::
TUCSON - Tucson Police Detectives have learned five people (two men, three women) may have information about the disappearance of Isabel Celis, which occurred between the hours of 11:00 p.m. on April 20, 2012 and 8:00 a.m. on April 21, 2012.
 
Detectives believe the group was walking along the north side of Saint Joseph's Catholic Church, located at 215 South Craycroft Road at approximately 1:00 a.m. to 1:30 a.m. on Saturday heading into the Celis' neighborhood, possibly via East Cooper Street.
 
Given the time of morning, the group may have been leaving the area of the Cactus Moon Nightclub or Risky Business Restaurant and Bar, both of which are located across South Craycroft Road.
 
The Tucson Police Department urges the members of the group to call 911 or 88-CRIME as soon as possible.
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#!prettyPhoto[gallery]/1/
http://88crime.org/

8am/4/27 update
http://www.kvoa.com/videoplayer/?video_id=9994&categories=1


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: seahorse on April 27, 2012, 07:39:14 PM
Wasn't it Klaas that posted something about another Celis family in the neighborhood?  Maybe Uncle was called first as he lived close by and dad thought maybe Isa was with him?   Maybe Uncle and dad are the voices that AS heard outside the window?  But that would mean that they searched alone from 6:28 until 8:15, right?

I REALLY want to know what that security video revealed.

Dad claimed he found Isabel missing when he entered her bedroom to wake her at 8:00 AM.

KittyMom

You could be right about Dad and Uncle being the voices that Alicia heard at 6:30 AM.

Could it be that the dogs became excited momentarily when the Uncle arrived to assist Dad in a staging/cover up?

Could it be that this is when the window was raised and the screen taken away?

Keeping in mind that a hit was made in the home by one of the canines brought in by investigators ... could it be that a deceased Isabel had been taken from her bed and temporarily placed in the non-working vehicle ... an action captured by the survellience camera?

Again ... I am convinced that the survellience footage is the smoking gun and ... the search warrants are all about gathering evidence to back up what the smoking gun revealed.  I could be wrong.

Janet


Did the group try to steal the car? Did they find IC, in the car? 

I am thinking it is not that unsual (in the Desert) to sleep outside?

Not a good idea to leave a child alone (day or nigh)t but since the dad
was careless about the Dogs, I am wondering...He is an Artist  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: seahorse on April 27, 2012, 07:41:25 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#fcanchor

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#!prettyPhoto/0/

http://www.kvoa.com/local/

A Hat tip to those lovely IS posters (who never growl) ::monkeywine2::

Sorry, the Hat Tip goes to Justicequest.net,  ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 08:09:55 PM
Police encourage public to submit more tips about Isabel Celis
Posted: 11:11 AM
Last Updated: 5 hours and 29 minutes ago


TUCSON, AZ - Tucson police are encouraging the public to continue submitting tips regarding the disappearance of Isabel Celis.

The 6-year-old girl was last seen in her bedroom in Tucson around 11 p.m. on April 20 and was discovered missing around 8 a.m. the next day.

In a Friday morning news conference, police said they didn’t find anything after searching four parks and surrounding areas with the help of the Pima County Sheriff’s Department.

The parks included Lakeside Park, Columbus Park, and Kennedy Park.

They were led to Lakeside Park because of a tip, police said.

Ground searches continue as investigators canvass certain areas.

Police say they’re still considering all possibilities but have not yet ruled out a kidnapping.

Investigators don’t believe she ran away, police said.

The reward for information that leads to a missing Tucson girl has increased to $30,000.

<snipped>

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_central_southern_az/tucson/police-encourage-public-to-submit-more-tips-about-isabel-celis



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 08:11:13 PM
Nancy Grace HLN is on right now!  Isabel Celis discussion.

5:05 PM PT



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: sunshine12 on April 27, 2012, 08:14:42 PM
Nancy Grace HLN is on right now!  Isabel Celis discussion.

5:05 PM PT



ooo can you post if anything new comes up?!?!?!  thanks!!!!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2012, 09:41:19 PM
Nancy Grace HLN is on right now!  Isabel Celis discussion.

5:05 PM PT



ooo can you post if anything new comes up?!?!?!  thanks!!!!

sunshine

Rick Moore ... the owner of the building where the surveilance camera was mounted was a guest once again.  He  shared that he did view some of the video from that night/morning with investigators.  Apparently ... there was activity around the Celis home ... people and vehicles.  Isabel's Father and Uncle were capured on video.  However ... the time was not clarified by "Rick".  I wish Nancy would not keep interrupting.  Jean did question Rick about the 6:30 AM timeframe but he was vague.  I think Rick was uncertain how much he should reveal.  Investigators have the original recordings.  I am looking forward to reading the posted transcript.  It happens around 10:00 PM PT.  Friends are coming over to play cards with hubby and I tonight (Scrabble was voted down) so I will take a boo tomorrow.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html

A rerun of the Nancy Grace Show (HLN) begin at 7:00 PM PT.

Janet
6:35 PM PT


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on April 27, 2012, 09:55:59 PM
Our late (7:30pm) games here are over at 9pm.  Even with cleanup we're out of there no later than 9:35 bathrooms and all.  Did anyone at the park stay with the Celis family the entire time and leave when they did?

Yeah KittyMom...my kids are usually done by then too...but here is the schedule for that day:

Fri 4/20    Diamond Yankees vs. Dodgers    7:30 PM - 9:30 PM    Freedom Field #2

http://www.eteamz.com/freedomlittleleaguetucson/index.cfm?subsite=6015246&league=2400178

I didn't go and see how far away they lived from the park.  Yeah...usually everyone is out of there soon after the last game.  So, I don't know.  Didn't they say they didn't get in until 11?  Maybe I am wrong about that time though.  I didn't reference back.

I read that they put her to bed at 11:00 pm, I haven't seen yet what time they returned home that night.  Hope this helps I just started reading up on Isa last night.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 10:07:58 PM
Our late (7:30pm) games here are over at 9pm.  Even with cleanup we're out of there no later than 9:35 bathrooms and all.  Did anyone at the park stay with the Celis family the entire time and leave when they did?

Yeah KittyMom...my kids are usually done by then too...but here is the schedule for that day:

Fri 4/20    Diamond Yankees vs. Dodgers    7:30 PM - 9:30 PM    Freedom Field #2

http://www.eteamz.com/freedomlittleleaguetucson/index.cfm?subsite=6015246&league=2400178

I didn't go and see how far away they lived from the park.  Yeah...usually everyone is out of there soon after the last game.  So, I don't know.  Didn't they say they didn't get in until 11?  Maybe I am wrong about that time though.  I didn't reference back.

I read that they put her to bed at 11:00 pm, I haven't seen yet what time they returned home that night.  Hope this helps I just started reading up on Isa last night.

Thanks KCJackie


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 10:28:26 PM
The video of the people walking has been released:

http://www.azfamily.com/video/raw/RAW-Surveillance-video-released-in-Isabel-Celis-case-149325955.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 27, 2012, 10:58:19 PM
A is 5602 E12th,the red roof building is the church, the people were walking EAST
behind the C,headed towards E cooper st
http://g.co/maps/92vzh


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 11:00:44 PM
A is 5602 E12th,the red roof building is the church, the people were walking EAST
behind the C,headed towards E cooper st
http://g.co/maps/92vzh

Is something/someone moving on the left side of the screen...I swear I am not seeing things.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 27, 2012, 11:03:00 PM
A is 5602 E12th,the red roof building is the church, the people were walking EAST
behind the C,headed towards E cooper st
http://g.co/maps/92vzh

Is something/someone moving on the left side of the screen...I swear I am not seeing things.

its a still google img nothing moves,wonder if there are any web cams in the area
http://g.co/maps/stjtb


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 11:06:59 PM
A is 5602 E12th,the red roof building is the church, the people were walking EAST
behind the C,headed towards E cooper st
http://g.co/maps/92vzh

Is something/someone moving on the left side of the screen...I swear I am not seeing things.

its a still google img nothing moves,wonder if there are any web cams in the area
http://g.co/maps/stjtb

No sorry...I meant on the video that was released that shows the five walking.  Something/Someone moved in the upper (not all the way up) left hand corner.  I posted the video a few posts down.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 11:10:57 PM
The video of the people walking has been released:

http://www.azfamily.com/video/raw/RAW-Surveillance-video-released-in-Isabel-Celis-case-149325955.html

Someone comes out from the side of the screen...I see it plain as day.  Look to the left when the group has made it past the wall. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 11:15:34 PM
Here is a great site to keep checking the news on sweet Isa...

http://interceder.net/topic/isa-celis


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 11:26:32 PM
The video of the people walking has been released:

http://www.azfamily.com/video/raw/RAW-Surveillance-video-released-in-Isabel-Celis-case-149325955.html

Someone comes out from the side of the screen...I see it plain as day.  Look to the left when the group has made it past the wall. 

The person comes out of the side of the screen after they turn to the left a bit and cross further on...they are actually almost out of view when the person comes out...


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on April 27, 2012, 11:28:33 PM
The video of the people walking has been released:

http://www.azfamily.com/video/raw/RAW-Surveillance-video-released-in-Isabel-Celis-case-149325955.html

Someone comes out from the side of the screen...I see it plain as day.  Look to the left when the group has made it past the wall. 

 ::MonkeyEek::  I see it!!!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on April 27, 2012, 11:30:42 PM
The video of the people walking has been released:

http://www.azfamily.com/video/raw/RAW-Surveillance-video-released-in-Isabel-Celis-case-149325955.html

Someone comes out from the side of the screen...I see it plain as day.  Look to the left when the group has made it past the wall. 

It's at about the 50 second mark at the upper left corner.  Good eye labuske!

The person comes out of the side of the screen after they turn to the left a bit and cross further on...they are actually almost out of view when the person comes out...


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 27, 2012, 11:30:47 PM
oh ok,ill look,here is a live web cam,looking east on broadway,its dark not
sure where on broadway,it uses java,update your java,the cam has zoom and dir controls
update java
start
control panel
open java
tab update
update now

http://transview.org/cams/LiveViews/east.htm


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 11:31:03 PM
The video of the people walking has been released:

http://www.azfamily.com/video/raw/RAW-Surveillance-video-released-in-Isabel-Celis-case-149325955.html

Someone comes out from the side of the screen...I see it plain as day.  Look to the left when the group has made it past the wall. 

 ::MonkeyEek::  I see it!!!


That's creepy...at first I thought that I moved the computer...but, I looked again and it is clearly someone walking and stopping after the group moves.  This was about 1 in the morning per the article below...so I wonder who that is and if LE has spoken/found this individual.  I have no idea where this video was shot in relation to Isa's home. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 11:32:03 PM
oh ok,ill look,here is a live web cam,looking east on broadway,its dark not
sure where on broadway,it uses java,update your java,the cam has zoom and dir controls
update java
start
control panel
open java
tab update
update now

http://transview.org/cams/LiveViews/east.htm

That is pretty neat cw...thanks.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on April 27, 2012, 11:32:48 PM
The video of the people walking has been released:

http://www.azfamily.com/video/raw/RAW-Surveillance-video-released-in-Isabel-Celis-case-149325955.html

Someone comes out from the side of the screen...I see it plain as day.  Look to the left when the group has made it past the wall. 



The person comes out of the side of the screen after they turn to the left a bit and cross further on...they are actually almost out of view when the person comes out...
It's at about the 50 second mark at the upper left corner.  Good eye labuske!
Oops


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 11:34:25 PM
The video of the people walking has been released:

http://www.azfamily.com/video/raw/RAW-Surveillance-video-released-in-Isabel-Celis-case-149325955.html

Someone comes out from the side of the screen...I see it plain as day.  Look to the left when the group has made it past the wall. 

It's at about the 50 second mark at the upper left corner.  Good eye labuske!

The person comes out of the side of the screen after they turn to the left a bit and cross further on...they are actually almost out of view when the person comes out...

Thanks...it caught my eye only after watching it about twenty times...because I kept thinking that the short one in the video was possibly Isa...the girl in the video is pretty short...but, it looks like she has a skirt on...and all dressed for partying...


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 27, 2012, 11:39:21 PM
i see it,back a few post i posted the map of where the house and church are
trying to get a good still of it,hard to do


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 11:42:57 PM
Here is a good video showing where the group of five likely left from:

http://www.kgun9.com/multimedia/videos/?bctid=1605653099001


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 27, 2012, 11:48:18 PM
Here is a video that discusses what time they all left the park...states that Isa was in the dugout watching her brothers game. 

http://www.kgun9.com/multimedia/videos/?bctid=1604906101001


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 27, 2012, 11:56:24 PM
the web cam lets you take stills
(http://166.89.65.157/-wvhttp-01-/GetOneShot?image_size=320x240&REQUEST_ID=1335584880569)

NOTE:  Image changes so if you want the still you must capture and save on PC


http://transview.org/cams/LiveViews/east.htm


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 28, 2012, 12:26:24 AM
 red light cams,wonder if ,anyone was speeding from the scene
•East Broadway Boulevard and Craycroft Road
http://g.co/maps/zmqd7
http://g.co/maps/53xbq


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 28, 2012, 01:52:37 AM
Why does LE want video from the ballgame? 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 28, 2012, 01:54:12 AM
LE needs to go back to that bar and tonight and see if they can find those 5 people.  I'll bet they are regulars.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 28, 2012, 02:28:46 AM
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_central_southern_az/tucson/new-surveillance-video-in-tucson-missing-girl-case
Quote
They also confirm that they are working with Mexican officials by circulating pictures of 6-year-old Isabel Celis at hotels in bus stops south of the border.

Police won't say whether they have used a polygraph test on the girl's parents at this time, and urge anyone from the group to call 9-1-1 immediately.


 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: seahorse on April 28, 2012, 11:11:11 AM
Lovely Job Aubrey did on her post:  Post #580

 ::monkeywine2::

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1457295#post1457295


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2012, 11:32:08 AM
Seahorse - your posts are curious to say the least  ::MonkeyCool::  If you are attempting to draw posters over to Justicequest.net why not just say so  ::MonkeyCool::

Edited to add:  By the way, I like Justicequest.net  ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2012, 12:27:40 PM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149341755.html (http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149341755.html)

Sleeping with baseball bat: Isa's friends cope with her disappearance
Police urge parents to send in video from game night


CREATED Apr. 27, 2012

Reporter: Marcelino Benito

TUCSON (KGUN9-TV) - The sun set on day 7 of the search for Isabel Celis with still no trace of the six-year-old girl. It was one week ago Friday night that someone other than Isabel's parents saw her at a little league baseball field at Freedom Park. Now police are hoping anyone at last week's game shot video that could help lead them to Isabel.

Two teams took the field to play. One of those teams included Isabel's brother's baseball team. The same team she was watching one week ago. But baseball was the last thing on everyone's mind.

"It's hard for us to take the field," family friend and little league coach Joe Vega said. "We're playing with heavy hearts."

Several parents tell 9OYS they remember seeing Isabel running around, playing, having a good time. One parent recalls Isabel eating some potato chips, choking momentarily on a chip, before a little league mom gave her some water and patted her on the back. The fun continued around the dugout that night. Hours later though, she'd be missing.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: seahorse on April 28, 2012, 12:32:33 PM
Seahorse - your posts are curious to say the least  ::MonkeyCool::  If you are attempting to draw posters over to Justicequest.net why not just say so  ::MonkeyCool::

Edited to add:  By the way, I like Justicequest.net  ::monkeywine2::

Sorry, Klaas,

I do not have the talent to illustrate a post, coordinate a picture with a phase.
Perhaps, this is why, I enjoy the full written story on a post, and pass it along.

I do agree, it is a tad much, sorry.  I think everyone brings something to the Table.
I enjoy everyone's, talents and opinions.  Just call me Mrs Kravitz:)

Obits, somehow, I manage to dig and add them up :) I cannot figure that one out.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2012, 12:38:22 PM
Seahorse - NP  ::dogwag::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 28, 2012, 12:42:32 PM
Lovely Job Aubrey did on her post:  Post #580

 ::monkeywine2::

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1457295#post1457295


Went and read...thanks.  Glad to see a lot of people are seeing that figure...hope they find out who it is.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 28, 2012, 12:47:47 PM
So who works at the Cactus Moon I wonder?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2012, 12:53:14 PM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149341755.html (http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149341755.html)

Sleeping with baseball bat: Isa's friends cope with her disappearance
Police urge parents to send in video from game night


CREATED Apr. 27, 2012

Reporter: Marcelino Benito

TUCSON (KGUN9-TV) - The sun set on day 7 of the search for Isabel Celis with still no trace of the six-year-old girl. It was one week ago Friday night that someone other than Isabel's parents saw her at a little league baseball field at Freedom Park. Now police are hoping anyone at last week's game shot video that could help lead them to Isabel.

Two teams took the field to play. One of those teams included Isabel's brother's baseball team. The same team she was watching one week ago. But baseball was the last thing on everyone's mind.

"It's hard for us to take the field," family friend and little league coach Joe Vega said. "We're playing with heavy hearts."

Several parents tell 9OYS they remember seeing Isabel running around, playing, having a good time. One parent recalls Isabel eating some potato chips, choking momentarily on a chip, before a little league mom gave her some water and patted her on the back. The fun continued around the dugout that night. Hours later though, she'd be missing.
 ::snipping2::

It does appear there are several witnesses who can attest that Isabel actually was at the baseball game.  Could it be that investigators are attempting to back up witness accounts with hard evidence?

Could it be that the search warrants related to the house and vehicle were all about collecting evidence to back up what was revealed on surviellance footage?  Then there is the recently released surveillance clip by investigators requesting potential witnesses who were captured on video to come forward.

Janet

+++++

NANCY GRACE
Police Examine Security Camera Video in Isabel Celis Disappearance
Aired April 27, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

RICK MOORE, MOORE SECURITY SERVICES: That`s absolutely correct. We also do intrusion. And it`s more security solutions, Nancy. Thanks.

GRACE: So a lot of people are wondering why would you have cameras trained on the Celis family home. Explain.

MOORE: You know, Nancy -- Nancy, that was almost a coincidence. Really, our thought process when we set the cameras up was to protect the back of our facility. Our showroom is literally about 25 yards from where we`re standing right now.

We put a couple of cameras in the back to protect the back entry in case of intrusion on our showroom, to protect the vehicles that are parked there for the employees. And of course, there`s a lot of graffiti and tagging going on, so we were hoping to maybe use it for that. And we have seen tagging going on.

But coincidentally, the cameras are looking right over in this area. We`ve got a couple cameras that are facing the alleyway, and then one that happens to see right towards the street that Isabel lives on.

GRACE: OK, Rick Moore, everyone, joining us, the owner of Moore Security Services, actually has cameras trained on the Celis family home.

Have cops come to your place and taken or looked at video of that alley behind the Celis family home which was being videoed at the time of the kidnap?

MOORE: They certainly have, Nancy. They contacted us right away, about 8:30 on Saturday morning. We do have some signs up in the back of the showroom area, where the cameras are located. It has our phone number on them.

So what they did was they contacted us right away. My general manager came down to the facility, to the showroom, interviewed for four or five hours with detectives, looked at footage then, reviewed footage, then came back Monday and spent basically all day.

Then had us record the information for them on a USB drive. We furnished them with all the information that was stored on the hard drive, on our digital recorder. They took it with them. Hopefully, they`ve got it now and they`re poring over that information that may provide some leads for this investigation.

GRACE: OK, very quickly, Rick, where is the original video?

MOORE: The police have it now.

GRACE: OK.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/27/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2012, 01:00:01 PM
Lovely Job Aubrey did on her post:  Post #580

 ::monkeywine2::

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1457295#post1457295


Went and read...thanks.  Glad to see a lot of people are seeing that figure...hope they find out who it is.

I looked very carefully ... I increased the size of the clip ... I squinted eyes ... I donned my specs but ... I could not detect that elusive figure.  Getting old sucks.

 ::crymonkey2::





Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 28, 2012, 01:00:36 PM
So who works at the Cactus Moon I wonder?

Here is a list of April activities...the 20th shows Zona Road.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/532800_173973889390052_100003323259536_273280_251781062_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 28, 2012, 01:07:55 PM
it looks like the  person, was on the other side of the wall, by these dumpsters
wonder if there is a cam by the loading dock
http://g.co/maps/apjaq

looks like the gate was closed, and the people went to, our right of the fence,
to go through an opening
http://g.co/maps/ngkjs

2nd house above the A is the celis home
http://g.co/maps/z888f

the released vid
http://www.azfamily.com/video/raw/RAW-Surveillance-video-released-in-Isabel-Celis-case-149325955.html

JQ post
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showpost.php?s=4a02f00a73ce8ffde7142ebaa5f0bdfc&p=1457295&postcount=580 (http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showpost.php?s=4a02f00a73ce8ffde7142ebaa5f0bdfc&p=1457295&postcount=580)





Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 28, 2012, 01:13:54 PM
mods i think you should delete this post of mine,
i noticed that the img changes
so it could be a back door,from that feed,sorry i didnt know until today
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13016.msg1520816#msg1520816


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 28, 2012, 01:21:57 PM
So who works at the Cactus Moon I wonder?

Here is a list of April activities...the 20th shows Zona Road.  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=173973889390052&set=a.173973886056719.38301.100003323259536&type=1&theater

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/532800_173973889390052_100003323259536_273280_251781062_n.jpg)

Self edit to add website


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: melisb on April 28, 2012, 01:37:16 PM
Could that be a security guard coming to the back of the property within the fence to see what those people (the 5 partiers) were doing?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2012, 02:27:28 PM
http://www.cactusmoon.net/FRIDAY.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2012, 02:30:04 PM
http://www.zonaroad.com/Zona_Road/Home.html (http://www.zonaroad.com/Zona_Road/Home.html)

Zona Road was created in 2010 by singer / songwriter Gray Vickers and guitarist Kody Herring. Gray and Kody met while collaborating on another project and soon realized that county music was their calling. The project took many turns as Zona Road struggled to find the right rhythm section until they met local Phoenix drummer Frank Angel. Shortly thereafter Zona Road completed their line-up with once guitarist now bassist Keith Hammerl.

Armed with drive and talent Zona Road began a flurry of shows at local water holes and shortly earned the right to play at larger concert venues such as Toby Keith's I love This Bar and Grill, and Cactus Moon in Tucson.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2012, 02:32:04 PM
Cactus Moon facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cactus-Moon-Tucson/138195586258194?sk=wall&filter=12 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cactus-Moon-Tucson/138195586258194?sk=wall&filter=12)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2012, 02:45:03 PM
Isabel lived at 5602 12th street.  There is also a Celis family living at 5701 12th street.  Wonder if that residence has been searched as well?


Isabel Celis: Tucson Police Looking For Group Seen On Surveillance Video
28 April 2012


<snipped>

FBI search dogs, including a scent dog and a cadaver dog, hit on something in the house that police noted was “important” to the investigation on April 22. Police then executed search warrants on the Celis home and other homes in the neighborhood, though they would not say which ones.

<snipped>

http://www.classichitsandoldies.com/v2/2012/04/28/isabel-celis-tucson-police-looking-for-group-seen-on-surveillance-video/




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 28, 2012, 03:07:50 PM
So who works at the Cactus Moon I wonder?

Here is a list of April activities...the 20th shows Zona Road.  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=173973889390052&set=a.173973886056719.38301.100003323259536&type=1&theater

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/532800_173973889390052_100003323259536_273280_251781062_n.jpg)

Self edit to add website

Quote
Tucson Country taped every Friday at the Cactus Moon in Tucson, AZ highlights country nightlife and regional talent. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2RUVqgtvh4

Interesting...they tape every Friday night.  So, have LE watched the taping from last Friday night?  It might help ID those 5 individuals!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 28, 2012, 04:02:50 PM
mods i think you should delete this post of mine,
i noticed that the img changes
so it could be a back door,from that feed,sorry i didnt know until today
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13016.msg1520816#msg1520816

Quote
NOTE:  Image changes so if you want the still you must capture and save on PC
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13016.msg1520816#msg1520816

i understand,go ahead and delete thanks


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 28, 2012, 04:04:30 PM
updated video,they talk about the 6th person,LE wont go into
depth,just the tape has been studied extensively
TPD looking for 5 possible witnesses to missing girl case UPDATE
Close
http://www.kvoa.com/videoplayer/?video_id=10009&categories=1
customs agents help in the search
http://www.kvoa.com/videoplayer/?video_id=10006&categories=1


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Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 28, 2012, 04:07:10 PM
fixing the link

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Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 28, 2012, 04:26:49 PM
janet said
Quote
I looked very carefully ... I increased the size of the clip ... I squinted eyes ... I donned my specs but ... I could not detect that elusive figure.  Getting old sucks.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13016.msg1520865#msg1520865

try this link,you can view full screen,he is just left of the poll they walk by
at about 49 sec,he dosent look like he has a uniform on,to me,hard to see,
he could be a security guard
http://www.azfamily.com/video/raw/RAW-Surveillance-video-released-in-Isabel-Celis-case-149325955.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 28, 2012, 05:00:14 PM
This is a Bing Image of the Precise Location, G= Guy.

The 5 exit to E. Cooper.

The individual I will call G6, is inside the fence and must be an adult based on the fence height.

(http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww116/BlinkOnCrime/Blink%20On%20Crime/For%20Posting/CelisSurveillanceBingDudeInsideFence.gif)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2012, 05:15:37 PM
Thanks Blink

I still don't see what others do in regards to this sixth person but ... I will take your word for it.  This is huge.  I would be veeery interested to know what other activity took place outside the Celis home that night/morning.  Could what is fully revealed on the surviellance footage be the smoking gun that will provide answers to the disappearning of Isabel?

The released video clip?  What is the time?

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 28, 2012, 06:05:34 PM
Janet, there is definitely an individual (G6) who is seen briefly coming into view after the group passes, and then again when the appear to crest the alley.  There is a very large dumpster which abutts that fence Klaas showed me on google earth, no idea if it is there constantly or was the early am of April 21.

I could not read the official timestamp but want to say it is like 1:29am-  if anyone knows for certain please feel free to correct me.  I am cautious about believing surveillance timestamps as they are all over the place usually.

There was an impromptu press conf this afternoon I presume the raw video will upload shortly.

If anyone saw it or has the link and can post I would appreciate it as my phone is ringing off the hook with rumors, lol.

What I know:

A reporter asked if Sergio Celis was under surveillance.  The answer was they will not comment on those aspects of the investigation.

From Me- he definitely is.  They all are.  It is standard protocol, so is "monitoring" the house and all phones.






Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2012, 06:14:04 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/tucson-police-release-new-information-about-isabel-celis-case/ (http://www.kvoa.com/news/tucson-police-release-new-information-about-isabel-celis-case/)

Tucson police release new information about Isabel Celis case


Posted: Apr 28, 2012 2:49 PM

TUCSON - Tucson Police say one person has come forward, who self-identified themselves from surveillance video released by police Friday.

The cameras captured five individuals, three women and two men walking on the east side of St. Joseph's Church last Saturday. The church is located in the area of Broadway and Craycroft. Authorities hope to piece together the timeline of Isabel Celis' disappearance. Police say they are in the process of interviewing the individual and hope to identify the others in his group.

Sgt. Fabian Pacheco says the efforts to find Isabel are not focused on any one avenue and detectives are considering all options.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2012, 06:18:48 PM
http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/042812_celis_missing_tucson/potential-witness-from-video-speaks-with-police-celis-case/ (http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/042812_celis_missing_tucson/potential-witness-from-video-speaks-with-police-celis-case/)

Potential witness from video speaks with police in Celis case
Police chief makes plea for more information as fewer tips come in

Updated Apr 28, 2012, 2:30 pm

Janet Rose Jackman TucsonSentinel.com

Investigators in the case of missing 6-year-old Isabel Celis were speaking with a man who identified himself as one of the potential witnesses seen in a surveillance video released Friday night, TPD spokesman Lt. Fabian Pacheco said Saturday.

Pacheco said the man identified himself to Tucson Police, and investigators are hoping to learn the identities of the other man and three women seen in the video that shows the group walking through a parking lot. Police believe the group may have walked east along the north side of Saint Joseph's Catholic Church, 215 S. Craycroft Rd., between 1 a.m. and 1:30 a.m. Saturday.
 ::snipping2::

There also are FBI and U.S. Marshal Service personnel working on the case, Pacheco said.

Manuel Barrios, director general for the Sonora State Investigative Police, has distributed information about the case and photographs of Isabel across Sonora. where officers are being told to look at businesses, industrial areas and bus stations, Pacheco said.

At Saturday's press briefing, Pacheco shot down a reporter's question about whether there is a drug-related investigation linked to Isabel's case.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 28, 2012, 06:22:41 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/tucson-police-release-new-information-about-isabel-celis-case/ (http://www.kvoa.com/news/tucson-police-release-new-information-about-isabel-celis-case/)

Tucson police release new information about Isabel Celis case


Posted: Apr 28, 2012 2:49 PM

TUCSON - Tucson Police say one person has come forward, who self-identified themselves from surveillance video released by police Friday.

The cameras captured five individuals, three women and two men walking on the east side of St. Joseph's Church last Saturday. The church is located in the area of Broadway and Craycroft. Authorities hope to piece together the timeline of Isabel Celis' disappearance. Police say they are in the process of interviewing the individual and hope to identify the others in his group.

Sgt. Fabian Pacheco says the efforts to find Isabel are not focused on any one avenue and detectives are considering all options.

 ::snipping2::

I'm so glad that someone from the group has come forward.  I am sure the rest will be identified now (if they haven't yet).  Hopefully they are able to give some valuable information.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2012, 06:53:51 PM
Janet, there is definitely an individual (G6) who is seen briefly coming into view after the group passes, and then again when the appear to crest the alley.  There is a very large dumpster which abutts that fence Klaas showed me on google earth, no idea if it is there constantly or was the early am of April 21.

I could not read the official timestamp but want to say it is like 1:29am-  if anyone knows for certain please feel free to correct me.  I am cautious about believing surveillance timestamps as they are all over the place usually.

There was an impromptu press conf this afternoon I presume the raw video will upload shortly.

If anyone saw it or has the link and can post I would appreciate it as my phone is ringing off the hook with rumors, lol.

What I know:

A reporter asked if Sergio Celis was under surveillance.  The answer was they will not comment on those aspects of the investigation.

From Me- he definitely is.  They all are.  It is standard protocol, so is "monitoring" the house and all phones.


Thanks Blink.

Janet

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2012, 06:56:44 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/tucson-police-release-new-information-about-isabel-celis-case/ (http://www.kvoa.com/news/tucson-police-release-new-information-about-isabel-celis-case/)

Tucson police release new information about Isabel Celis case


Posted: Apr 28, 2012 2:49 PM

TUCSON - Tucson Police say one person has come forward, who self-identified themselves from surveillance video released by police Friday.

The cameras captured five individuals, three women and two men walking on the east side of St. Joseph's Church last Saturday. The church is located in the area of Broadway and Craycroft. Authorities hope to piece together the timeline of Isabel Celis' disappearance. Police say they are in the process of interviewing the individual and hope to identify the others in his group.

Sgt. Fabian Pacheco says the efforts to find Isabel are not focused on any one avenue and detectives are considering all options.

 ::snipping2::


It would veeery interesting to know what the surveillance footage revealed in regards to activity at 6:30 AM.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on April 28, 2012, 10:07:12 PM
Prayers for Isabel... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on April 29, 2012, 10:32:39 AM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/isabel-celis-search-volunteers-raise-funds-through-car-wash/ (http://www.kvoa.com/news/isabel-celis-search-volunteers-raise-funds-through-car-wash/)

Isabel Celis search volunteers raise funds through car wash

Posted: Apr 28, 2012 4:05 PM
Updated: Apr 28, 2012 10:36 PM


TUCSON - Volunteer efforts continue this weekend, strong as ever, as they pass out fliers, hang up posters and even hold a bake sale

For one woman, this case hits close to home. Tammy Frayser said about three years ago, her daughter was abducted, and she wanted to do something for the Celis family to raise money for the volunteer efforts.

"You don't know where they're at. You don't know if they're okay. You don't know if someone's hurting them. You don't know. That's the hardest thing. You don't know," said Frayser.

She said she knows what the Celis family is going through, so she decided to help out and organize this car wash at Autozone to raise funds to continue volunteer search efforts.

"I got here at 8:30 and there were already people handing donations," said Frayser.

She said in just 45 minutes, more than $100 had been donated.

The money will go to pay for more fliers, billboards, water for volunteers, and anything that could help bring Isabel home.

"Every single person who helps, that is one step closer to bringing Isabel home," said Abbe Aslauer who donated to get her car washed.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 29, 2012, 01:29:45 PM
sat 2pm NC update,there will be a NC,today at 2pm also
@13:30-35,Sgt. Fabian Pacheco, is asked about an amber alert
he says needs certain critera,and they are getting close to issueing
an amber alert
http://www.kvoa.com/videoplayer/?video_id=10010&categories=1

Latest Post: 04/28/2012 02:49 PM First Post: 04/21/2012 02:33 PM (49 stories)38 pictures22 videos
 ::snipping2::
Police say they are in the process of interviewing the individual and hope to identify the others in his group.
Sgt. Fabian Pacheco says the efforts to find Isabel are not focused on any one avenue and detectives are considering all options.
As of 2 p.m. Saturday, police say 28 tips have been reported through 911, 88-CRIME and the new TipSoft program.
TipSoft is for those who would like to report a tip through texting on their cell phone. Police are averaging eight to 10 tips per hour.
To report a tip specific to the Isabel Celis case, enter "TucsonPD5265".
The reward for information in the case is $50,000.
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#!prettyPhoto/0/ (http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#!prettyPhoto/0/)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 29, 2012, 02:35:15 PM
Just to clarify, he did not say that they were close to issuing an amber alert although it sounded like that initially, I do not think he understood the question exactly.

In fact, the same reporter asked the same question again at the end because it was unclear, and he responded he DID NOT say they were close to issuing an amber alert, and would not say one way or another what their status was on that.

They will not confirm an actual abduction at this point, which would be a criteria of course.



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 29, 2012, 02:47:45 PM
No Amber Alert

RAW VIDEO: Police track over 100 leads in missing girl case
04/23/2012 10:05 AM


TUCSON - In this raw video clip, Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor answers questions from the media regarding the disappearance of 6-year-old Isabel Celis.

Chief Villasenor says that over the past 48 hours, they have tracked over 100 leads that they have received, making sure that they have thoroughly investigated every possibility.

Answering a question as to why an Amber Alert has not yet been issued, Chief Villa senor said: "We don't know exactly what we're dealing with yet, so an Amber Alert would not have been productive."

He says that the news media has been instrumental in getting information out to the public.

<snipped>

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on April 29, 2012, 06:16:06 PM
thanks blink,i meant to come back, and correct that,after i listened
again,but i forgot,had my mind on the lawn mowing

2 more interviewed in case of missing 6-year-old Isabel Celis
2pm NC 4/29
http://www.kvoa.com/videoplayer/?video_id=10011&categories=1


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 29, 2012, 06:19:52 PM
LOL, CW- no problem.

If y'all have not seen the press conference this afternoon-  it is confirmed.

They do NOT know who "G6" is, and they were looking for the 5 initially to identify who he is and what he was doing, or if they had any exchanges or observations.

Who was running around a secure area containing a large dumpster at about 1:29am on 4/21?

CLEARLY aware of, and out of sight of the group walking though the lot.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 29, 2012, 06:27:24 PM
Sorry, I hit submit too soon.

Link:

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#!prettyPhoto/0/

Ok, it is official, I am trying to be as objective as possible, but there is no way to interpret the fact that LE provided a detailed list of media requests for both local and national outlets encouraging the Celis's to give as many interviews as possible.

They have declined, and have provided no explanation.

How is that "never stop looking, we are looking for you" as Sergio Celis stated.

There is not going to be an explanation I am going to understand for that type of behavior when a 6 year old child is missing.

Unless she isn't.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 29, 2012, 10:54:48 PM
http://www.kpho.com/story/17859643/pd-talks-to-3-seen-in-video-in-girls-search

PD talks to 3 seen in video in girl's search

Quote
Police in Tucson said they have been able to make contact with three people who were part of a group they wanted to talk with about the disappearance of 6-year-old Isabel Celis.

"We have seen these people we have identified them, we have statements from these folks, now it is just the process of evaluating that information and determining how valuable it is if at all to us," said Pacheco.

Investigators are also reviewing earlier statements from neighbors.

"On the initial days when those interviews were taken they may not mean much, but perhaps nine days later we can have a better perspective of as to how they can apply to the overall investigation," said Pacheco.
 

 ::MonkeyEek::  What the...????


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 30, 2012, 11:23:47 AM
Isabel Celis: Missing Girl, 6, May be in Mexico
Police say the girl who vanished from her bedroom may have been taken to Mexico.
02:38 | 04/30/2012


Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/isabel-celis-missing-girl-mexico-16242038
Edit to correct video link.  MB


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on April 30, 2012, 11:28:11 AM
Isabel Celis: Missing Girl, 6, May be in Mexico
Police say the girl who vanished from her bedroom may have been taken to Mexico.
02:38 | 04/30/2012


Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/world-trade-center-yorks-highest-skyscraper-16241782?tab=9482931&section=1206833

Edit to correct video link.  MB     http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/isabel-celis-missing-girl-mexico-16242038

 

What am I doing wrong?  I keep getting directed to a clip about the trade center - pretty cool but not what I was expecting, lol.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 30, 2012, 11:28:48 AM
Song for Isabel Celis, written and recorded by Tucsonans
Posted: Apr 29, 2012 9:02 PM
Updated: Apr 29, 2012 10:55 PM


http://www.kvoa.com/news/song-for-isabel-celis-written-and-recorded-by-tucsonans/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 30, 2012, 11:30:20 AM
Isabel Celis: Missing Girl, 6, May be in Mexico
Police say the girl who vanished from her bedroom may have been taken to Mexico.
02:38 | 04/30/2012


Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/world-trade-center-yorks-highest-skyscraper-16241782?tab=9482931&section=1206833

Edit to correct video link MB      http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/isabel-celis-missing-girl-mexico-16242038

 

What am I doing wrong?  I keep getting directed to a clip about the trade center - pretty cool but not what I was expecting, lol.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/isabel-celis-missing-girl-mexico-16242038


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 30, 2012, 11:50:02 AM
Isabel Celis: Missing Girl, 6, May be in Mexico
Police say the girl who vanished from her bedroom may have been taken to Mexico.
02:38 | 04/30/2012


Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/world-trade-center-yorks-highest-skyscraper-16241782?tab=9482931&section=1206833
Edit to correct video link.  MB   http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/isabel-celis-missing-girl-mexico-16242038

 

Hmmm...what kind of information do they have?  Sonora, Mexico is 5 hours and 18 minutes away per Google map.  


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 30, 2012, 11:50:52 AM
Is there any kind of search engine that shows if an individual lived in Mexico?  Anyone know of one?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on April 30, 2012, 12:31:04 PM
Isabel Celis: Missing Girl, 6, May be in Mexico
Police say the girl who vanished from her bedroom may have been taken to Mexico.
02:38 | 04/30/2012


Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/world-trade-center-yorks-highest-skyscraper-16241782?tab=9482931&section=1206833
Edit to correct video link.  MB  http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/isabel-celis-missing-girl-mexico-16242038
 

Thanks Janet.  In that video they show a clip of the five walking in the area that night as well as the sixth person.  I was never able to see the sixth person until now.

I don't understand why they don't know the i. d. of all five.  They must have asked the ones they interviewed.  


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on April 30, 2012, 12:32:57 PM
Is there any kind of search engine that shows if an individual lived in Mexico?  Anyone know of one?

sorry lab, i have no idea.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on April 30, 2012, 12:58:40 PM
 :gaah:  Why are the parents not out there pleading to the public for help in finding Isa???  I would be on every media outlet that was available!!!!!!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 30, 2012, 01:38:08 PM
What are the chances that the video group will remember anything truly helpful.  This group had been at a club.  They're walking along after a night of drinking, dancing, socializing.  They're talking about the evening and probably the next day.  Unless something really odd happened, why wouldn't it just be another walk home in the dark late at night? 

Frankly, I'll be surprised if they remember anything of the walk at all. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 30, 2012, 02:05:04 PM
Isabel Celis: Missing Girl, 6, May be in Mexico
Police say the girl who vanished from her bedroom may have been taken to Mexico.
02:38 | 04/30/2012


Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/world-trade-center-yorks-highest-skyscraper-16241782?tab=9482931&section=1206833
Edit to correct video link.  MB
  http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/isabel-celis-missing-girl-mexico-16242038
 

Thanks Janet.  In that video they show a clip of the five walking in the area that night as well as the sixth person.  I was never able to see the sixth person until now.

I don't understand why they don't know the i. d. of all five.  They must have asked the ones they interviewed.  

Correct Link:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/isabel-celis-missing-girl-mexico-16242038

+++++
 
Can

I "think" I can finally make out that sixth image on the video.  It took the assistance of a pair of much younger eyes than mine.

Could it be that the elusive image is the reason that investigators want to talk to the other five?

The surveillence footage?  I am somewhat disappointed in the clarity.  I had thought it would be the smoking gun.  In other words ... considering there is no way (I don't think) that any of the six persons could be identified by viewing that video clip ...  could it be that the surveillence footage images can only be considered a tool in the investigation.

Technology put a man on the moon ... you would think technology could afford surveillance cameras that could do the intended purpose ... the intended purpose of clearly identifying persons in the act of wrongdoing ... clearly identify potential witnesses.

Janet

++++++

Security Footage

NANCY GRACE
Police Examine Security Camera Video in Isabel Celis Disappearance
Aired April 27, 2012 - 20:00   ET


GRACE: What did you see?

RICK MOORE, MOORE SECURITY SERVICES: What did I see?

GRACE: Yes.

MOORE: You know, we saw -- what we see is a lot of vehicles, Nancy. We did see some people coming through the alleyway. The cameras are trained right onto the alley, which leads right from where we`re standing right now. So we see cars coming in and out, a lot of vehicles, makes, models, color, things of that nature. And I`m sure that`s what the police are using to investigate it.

We also saw some people wandering through the alley. Whether that`s pertinent information, I`m not sure. But it is information that the police took with them, and I`m sure they`re chasing down those leads.

GRACE: Got it. OK, Rick, when you state that you see cars going by, you can see tag numbers, you can see people. What did you see around Isabel Celis`s home that Saturday morning around 8:00 AM?

MOORE: You know, what we saw that morning -- again, it had been light for a little bit. What we basically saw, the first people we saw on the street -- we did see some activity in the alleyway right behind us. But the police have all that evidence.

What we saw right here was a couple of people walking up and down the street, Nancy. And we think that that was maybe the father and the brother. And then the police had us right at that moment cut off the digital recording, and they took that evidence and that`s when they took it away. So we think that that was just the father...

GRACE: So they did not let you see the rest of it?

MOORE: No, ma`am, they did not. We don`t have it anymore.

GRACE: So what you observed, Rick, that morning around 8:00 AM, approximately 8:00 AM...

MOORE: Right.

GRACE: ... is Isabel`s father and his brother, which would be Isabel`s uncle, walking around in front of the Celis home.

MOORE: Nancy, that`s conjecture on my part. I think that`s who it was. The police didn`t want us to speculate about who that was.

GRACE: OK, great. You earlier -- I get it.

MOORE: We didn`t know Isabel`s father at the time (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: I get it, Rick. I get it that you don`t know who the people are. You earlier mentioned...

MOORE: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: ... quote, "activity in the alley." What activity in what alley?

MOORE: Well, there`s an alley, Nancy, right behind us. It`s about 25 yards right behind us. That`s, again, about 25 yards from the front door of Isabel`s home. And it runs right behind our showroom, and that`s where our cameras are trained on. So there was activity up and down that alley...

GRACE: What kind of activity?

MOORE: Again, it was just people wandering through alley, vehicles coming up and down through the alley and vehicles walking -- coming out of the alley that`s right here in front of Isabel. Now, what makes and models and tags were, that`s in the police`s hands now, Nancy.

GRACE: Question. Is your video infrared?

MOORE: It does have infrared technology, fortunately, Nancy. So these are outstanding...

GRACE: What does that mean...

MOORE: What that means is that now we have the capability with this new technology, Nancy, that we can see things from a pretty good distance at night. These cameras do work very well at night.

GRACE: So your video...

MOORE: We`ve got the best...

GRACE: ... is going to be able to capture...

MOORE: ... cameras trained...

GRACE: ... surveillance of tag numbers and people, even though it`s dark outside, right?

MOORE: It is pretty amazing technology, Nancy. And that`s kind of the point, is that there`s a lot of new and great stuff that you can use to protect yourself and your community and your family.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/27/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on April 30, 2012, 02:14:16 PM
Janet,

I'm under the impression that the video released is not the video from the surveillance company.  This is from another area.  I don't believe that LE has released the video that was pointed directly at the Celis home.  I am glad that you are able to see the sixth individual in the video. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on April 30, 2012, 02:49:00 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/Isa%20Celis/isamissingposter.jpg)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on April 30, 2012, 02:52:52 PM
http://www.facebook.com/FindIsabel

(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/Isa%20Celis/isasleeping.jpg)

(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/Isa%20Celis/isaballoons.jpg)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 30, 2012, 03:00:28 PM
Janet,

I'm under the impression that the video released is not the video from the surveillance company.  This is from another area.  I don't believe that LE has released the video that was pointed directly at the Celis home.  I am glad that you are able to see the sixth individual in the video. 

Thanks for that info labubske.

Could it be that I can again cling to the hope that Rick Moore's survellance camera which was aimed at the Celis' home 25 yards away  is the "amazing" technology that he claims and ... it will be the smoking gun that will reveal the truth regarding the happenings that  night/morning encompassing the disappearance of Isabel Celib.

Nevertheless ... my heart sinks regarding this "amazing" technology when I consider that Rick Moore concedes that he is only speculating regarding the identity of that the two person captures walking in front of the Celis home.

Janet

++++



Security Footage

NANCY GRACE
Police Examine Security Camera Video in Isabel Celis Disappearance
Aired April 27, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

MOORE: Well, there`s an alley, Nancy, right behind us. It`s about 25 yards right behind us. That`s, again, about 25 yards from the front door of Isabel`s home. And it runs right behind our showroom, and that`s where our cameras are trained on.

GRACE: What kind of activity?

MOORE: Again, it was just people wandering through alley, vehicles coming up and down through the alley and vehicles walking -- coming out of the alley that`s right here in front of Isabel. Now, what makes and models and tags were, that`s in the police`s hands now, Nancy.

<snipped>

GRACE: So what you observed, Rick, that morning around 8:00 AM, approximately 8:00 AM .... is Isabel`s father and his brother, which would be Isabel`s uncle, walking around in front of the Celis home.

MOORE: Nancy, that`s conjecture on my part. I think that`s who it was. The police didn`t want us to speculate about who that was

<snipped>

MOORE: It is pretty amazing technology, Nancy. And that`s kind of the point, is that there`s a lot of new and great stuff that you can use to protect yourself and your community and your family.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/27/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 30, 2012, 03:11:07 PM

Isabel Celis: Surveillance Video Gives Police New Lead

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/04/30/isabel-celis-surveillance-video-gives-police-new-lead/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 30, 2012, 03:13:36 PM

Investigators examine 350+ leads in 6-year-old's disappearance
More than 300 at Mass pray for Isabel, family

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/more-than-at-mass-pray-for-isabel-family/article_dcf23039-10a4-58e3-b612-0b12bd57e1ce.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 30, 2012, 03:15:07 PM
Song for Isabel Celis, written and recorded by Tucsonans

 ::snipping2::

Needing a woman's voice on the record, they called up vocalist Adilene Muraz, "I'm actually honored to be in it, cause it's awesome."

As it turns out Muraz also knows the Celis family, the connection was known after she was brought on to sing the part.

"Isabels' family is actually from Douglas and her uncles I went to school with," she adds.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kvoa.com/news/song-for-isabel-celis-written-and-recorded-by-tucsonans/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 30, 2012, 03:16:58 PM
Concert raises funds for Isabel Celis search

 ::snipping2::

Extended family members were on hand to give a personal thanks to the community for their support in efforts miles away in Tucson.

However, it was being so far away that actually spurred the concert. Those close to Isabel's father ,who was a part of the chorus for more than 20 years, wanted to help and show that the Valley is with them in spirit.

"We are continuing to pray, think about you, we are sending our love and our hope and we know that we are going to find Isabel," said Harris.

After the concert, donations were collected to help with search efforts. Isabel's immediate family could not attend the concert, but her father made a request of the chorus.

"Her father sent an email saying, 'Please video this so she can watch it when she gets home,'" said Harris.

http://www.kpho.com/story/17927729/concert-raises-funds-for-isabel-celis-search


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 30, 2012, 05:18:28 PM
According to the press conf going on right now- the video is actually dated wrong and is from Saturday evening/Sunday morning , not Saturday am the 21st.

He said the company had the date wrong.  Now seeking the right date.

Media requests were discussed again with the family again yesterday.  Waiting to hear how they will want to proceed.

http://www.kvoa.com/livestream/

This PIO is flustered today, understandably.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 30, 2012, 05:22:16 PM
will not answer if they have an attorney present during meetings.

My sources say they have since the Sunday after Isa's disappearance.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 30, 2012, 05:30:32 PM
will not answer if they have an attorney present during meetings.

My sources say they have since the Sunday after Isa's disappearance.
Reporter asked if family has connections to Mexico and he said yes but wouldn't go into details.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 30, 2012, 05:32:09 PM
Family has not returned home.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 30, 2012, 05:34:49 PM
Janet, there is definitely an individual (G6) who is seen briefly coming into view after the group passes, and then again when the appear to crest the alley.  There is a very large dumpster which abutts that fence Klaas showed me on google earth, no idea if it is there constantly or was the early am of April 21.

I could not read the official timestamp but want to say it is like 1:29am-  if anyone knows for certain please feel free to correct me.  I am cautious about believing surveillance timestamps as they are all over the place usually.

There was an impromptu press conf this afternoon I presume the raw video will upload shortly.

If anyone saw it or has the link and can post I would appreciate it as my phone is ringing off the hook with rumors, lol.

What I know:

A reporter asked if Sergio Celis was under surveillance.  The answer was they will not comment on those aspects of the investigation.

From Me- he definitely is.  They all are.  It is standard protocol, so is "monitoring" the house and all phones.


Blink ... you were cautious ... I was convinced.  I apologize for doubting ya.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on April 30, 2012, 05:35:40 PM
I can only think of one reason that the family will not return to the home...they've been advised by atty that LE might listen in to conversations.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 30, 2012, 05:45:55 PM
will not answer if they have an attorney present during meetings.

My sources say they have since the Sunday after Isa's disappearance.

 ::rhino::

Rick Moore states on NG that LE has had the surveillance video since the getgo ... surveillance video from a camera that was directed on the Celis' home from 25 yards away.  Could it be that Isabel's parents realized very early on that they were busted once that footage was revealed?

It is like pulling teeth to get an answer from LE but ... these briefings cannot be negated.  The refusal of LE to give a simple answer to a simple question ... a simple answer in the negative or the affirmative ... speaks volumes.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 30, 2012, 05:48:28 PM
According to the press conf going on right now- the video is actually dated wrong and is from Saturday evening/Sunday morning , not Saturday am the 21st.

He said the company had the date wrong.  Now seeking the right date.

Media requests were discussed again with the family again yesterday.  Waiting to hear how they will want to proceed.

http://www.kvoa.com/livestream/

This PIO is flustered today, understandably.

Whats PIO?  Thanks.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 30, 2012, 06:03:14 PM
will not answer if they have an attorney present during meetings.

My sources say they have since the Sunday after Isa's disappearance.

 ::rhino::

Rick Moore states on NG that LE has had the surveillance video since the getgo ... surveillance video from a camera that was directed on the Celis' home from 25 yards away.  Could it be that Isabel's parents realized very early on that they were busted once that footage was revealed?

It is like pulling teeth to get an answer from LE but ... these briefings cannot be negated.  The refusal of LE to give a simple answer to a simple question ... a simple answer in the negative or the affirmative ... speaks volumes.

Janet


The security company has some 'splaining to do Lucy.

 ::Monkey :2brickwall: 


NANCY GRACE
Police Examine Security Camera Video in Isabel Celis Disappearance
Aired April 27, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: OK, Rick Moore, everyone, joining us, the owner of Moore Security Services, actually has cameras trained on the Celis family home.

Have cops come to your place and taken or looked at video of that alley behind the Celis family home which was being videoed at the time of the kidnap?

MOORE: They certainly have, Nancy. They contacted us right away, about 8:30 on Saturday morning. We do have some signs up in the back of the showroom area, where the cameras are located. It has our phone number on them.

So what they did was they contacted us right away. My general manager came down to the facility, to the showroom, interviewed for four or five hours with detectives, looked at footage then, reviewed footage, then came back Monday and spent basically all day.

Then had us record the information for them on a USB drive. We furnished them with all the information that was stored on the hard drive, on our digital recorder. They took it with them. Hopefully, they`ve got it now and they`re poring over that information that may provide some leads for this investigation.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/27/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 30, 2012, 06:10:06 PM
Police: Surveillance video released last week was of the wrong night
Posted 2:17 PM 4/30/2012


TUCSON - Tucson Police say the video released last week in an attempt to identify individuals with possible information about the Isabel Celis case was from the wrong night.

In a 2 p.m. news conference, Tucson Police spokesperson Sgt. Fabian Pacheco confirmed the video released to the public late last week was taken from the evening of Saturday, April 21, into the morning of Sunday, April 22 - 24 hours after Isabel Celis disappeared from an east side home.

Sgt. Pacheco said the video, provided by a company near the Celis house with a 24-hour surveillance camera, was not time-stamped. Police have requested video from the evening of Friday, April 20, and the morning of Saturday, April 21, and the company is working to provide that video, Sgt. Pacheco says.

<snipped>

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#fcanchor




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 30, 2012, 06:29:52 PM
A Nancy Grace "Bombshell" tonight!!  Will Rick Moore of Moore Security Systems be in the hot seat or ... will he be a no show?

Nancy Grace (HLN) - 5:00 PM PT

Janet

+++++


TPD: Video of witnesses in Celis case was from wrong day
Police mistakenly release video from day after girl was reported missing
Posted Apr 30, 2012, 2:41 pm


Tucson Police said the surveillance video released Friday that shows five potential witnesses walking toward the neighborhood of the Celis family home was from the wrong day as the case for missing 6-year-old Isabel Celis moved into its 10th day.

The footage captured on the video that shows a group of two men and three women walking through a parking lot was actually from April 22, one day after Isabel was reported missing. The error was blamed on the video lacking a time stamp, TPD spokesman Lt. Fabian Pacheco on Monday.

Police had released the video believing it was from April 21 between 1 a.m. and 1:30 a.m., Pacheco said.

Tucson Police took statements from three of the people seen on the video over the weekend, Pacheco said.

<snipped>

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/043012_celis_missing_tucson/tpd-video-witnesses-celis-case-was-from-wrong-day/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: melisb on April 30, 2012, 06:50:02 PM
Public Information Officer


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 30, 2012, 06:57:40 PM
Public Information Officer


Thanks melisb

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 30, 2012, 07:00:21 PM
TPD: Video of witnesses in Celis case was from wrong day
Police mistakenly release video from day after girl was reported missing
Posted Apr 30, 2012, 2:41 pm


<snipped>

Although drawing no links to Isabel's case, Pacheco also said the department is working with Pima County Sheriff's deputies on a report of three children who were allegedly sexually assaulted early Monday morning in a bedroom at a home in the 11100 block of E. Mountain Gate.

The three girls, ages 6, 8 and 10, were reportedly assaulted by a man, described as white and in his 20s, who entered the bedroom at their grandparents' home around 2 a.m., said PCSD spokeswoman Deputy Dawn Barkman.

<snipped>

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/043012_celis_missing_tucson/tpd-video-witnesses-celis-case-was-from-wrong-day/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on April 30, 2012, 07:25:36 PM
Janet, there is definitely an individual (G6) who is seen briefly coming into view after the group passes, and then again when the appear to crest the alley.  There is a very large dumpster which abutts that fence Klaas showed me on google earth, no idea if it is there constantly or was the early am of April 21.

I could not read the official timestamp but want to say it is like 1:29am-  if anyone knows for certain please feel free to correct me.  I am cautious about believing surveillance timestamps as they are all over the place usually.

There was an impromptu press conf this afternoon I presume the raw video will upload shortly.

If anyone saw it or has the link and can post I would appreciate it as my phone is ringing off the hook with rumors, lol.

What I know:

A reporter asked if Sergio Celis was under surveillance.  The answer was they will not comment on those aspects of the investigation.

From Me- he definitely is.  They all are.  It is standard protocol, so is "monitoring" the house and all phones.


Blink ... you were cautious ... I was convinced.  I apologize for doubting ya.

Janet

Not at all, I have worked on cases where LE or the security footage provider has not adjusted for daylight savings , or if the agency reading or distributing it is using an interface within a different timezone, some programs will revert.

That is just two examples and the higher the level of sophistication,  sometimes the greatest margin for error.   I got a lesson in Zulu time last year during a GPS tracking course that made me realize that what software or real time interfaces are used to "read" the data are as important as what the footage or data is that is being analyzed.

Unless one is really experienced specifically in surveillance recovery, there is huge margin for error.

I was under the impression that footage came from the mount on the rear of St. Joe's,  has it been established that it came from Moore?

Now that would surprise me if someone in the very profession could get that wrong.   


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on April 30, 2012, 08:27:33 PM
Was listening to JVM (?) on the radio tonight and she said that 3 little girls who live about 10 miles from Isabel said that they were sexually assaulted in their bedroom last night, around 2 AM . I believe they are aged 6,8 and 10 yrs old...
a white male possibly in his 20's...
Anyone else hear that?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on April 30, 2012, 09:03:40 PM
Was listening to JVM (?) on the radio tonight and she said that 3 little girls who live about 10 miles from Isabel said that they were sexually assaulted in their bedroom last night, around 2 AM . I believe they are aged 6,8 and 10 yrs old...
a white male possibly in his 20's...
Anyone else hear that?

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/043012_girls_sex_assault/pcsd-looking-man-accused-attacking-3-girls/

PCSD looking for man accused of attacking 3 girls
Girls allegedly sexually assaulted at grandparents' East Side home
 ::snipping2:: ::snipping2::




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on April 30, 2012, 09:05:53 PM
Was listening to JVM (?) on the radio tonight and she said that 3 little girls who live about 10 miles from Isabel said that they were sexually assaulted in their bedroom last night, around 2 AM . I believe they are aged 6,8 and 10 yrs old...
a white male possibly in his 20's...
Anyone else hear that?

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/043012_girls_sex_assault/pcsd-looking-man-accused-attacking-3-girls/

PCSD looking for man accused of attacking 3 girls
Girls allegedly sexually assaulted at grandparents' East Side home
 ::snipping2:: ::snipping2::




Thanks KC!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 30, 2012, 09:25:45 PM
Police seek more video in Isabel Celis case

TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) -- Tucson police are searching for more surveillance footage from the night a 6-year-old girl went missing from her home.
 
A Tucson Police Department spokeswoman said Monday that video of potential eyewitnesses walking near Isabel Mercedes Celis' house the night she disappeared is likely from the wrong night.
 
Sgt. Maria Hawke says the two males and three females in the publicly released footage have identified themselves and told authorities the video wasn't from the night Isabel disappeared.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Police-seek-more-video-in-Isabel-Celis-case-149590025.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 30, 2012, 09:27:22 PM
Tips about missing girl slowing down

TUCSON, Ariz. - It's been 10 days since a little Tucson girl went missing.

Police tell us tips about the whereabouts of 6-year-old Isabel Celis have been slowing down over the past couple of days -- but says they are still making progress in the case.

Police have revealed they spoke with at least 3 of 5 people captured on video walking near a home where Isabel disappeared. The video came from a nearby business.

At first police told us the video was taken early Saturday morning, but later said the date was incorrect.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/investigative/tips-about-missing-girl-slowing-down-4-30-2012


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on April 30, 2012, 09:30:17 PM
 ::snipping2::

Pacheco said the family has received numerous requests for an interview from media outlets and is considering sitting down for an interview, though police do not know with whom.

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/043012_celis_missing_tucson/tpd-video-witnesses-celis-case-was-from-wrong-day/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 30, 2012, 10:01:19 PM
TPD: Video of witnesses in Celis case was from wrong day
Police mistakenly release video from day after girl was reported missing
Posted Apr 30, 2012, 2:41 pm


<snipped>

Although drawing no links to Isabel's case, Pacheco also said the department is working with Pima County Sheriff's deputies on a report of three children who were allegedly sexually assaulted early Monday morning in a bedroom at a home in the 11100 block of E. Mountain Gate.
The three girls, ages 6, 8 and 10, were reportedly assaulted by a man, described as white and in his 20s, who entered the bedroom at their grandparents' home around 2 a.m., said PCSD spokeswoman Deputy Dawn Barkman.

<snipped>

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/043012_celis_missing_tucson/tpd-video-witnesses-celis-case-was-from-wrong-day/



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 30, 2012, 10:11:13 PM

Not at all, I have worked on cases where LE or the security footage provider has not adjusted for daylight savings , or if the agency reading or distributing it is using an interface within a different timezone, some programs will revert.

That is just two examples and the higher the level of sophistication,  sometimes the greatest margin for error.   I got a lesson in Zulu time last year during a GPS tracking course that made me realize that what software or real time interfaces are used to "read" the data are as important as what the footage or data is that is being analyzed.

Unless one is really experienced specifically in surveillance recovery, there is huge margin for error.

I was under the impression that footage came from the mount on the rear of St. Joe's,  has it been established that it came from Moore?

Now that would surprise me if someone in the very profession could get that wrong.
   

It was also Labubske impression that there are two security cameras involved.  What did the Moore surveillance camera reveal ... the Moore surveillance camera directed from 25 yards away on the Celis residence?

Janet

++++


Janet,

I'm under the impression that the video released is not the video from the surveillance company.  This is from another area.  I don't believe that LE has released the video that was pointed directly at the Celis home.  I am glad that you are able to see the sixth individual in the video. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cartfly on April 30, 2012, 10:36:09 PM
Isabel Celis: Missing Girl, 6, May be in Mexico
Police say the girl who vanished from her bedroom may have been taken to Mexico.
02:38 | 04/30/2012


Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/world-trade-center-yorks-highest-skyscraper-16241782?tab=9482931&section=1206833
Edit to correct video link.  MB   http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/isabel-celis-missing-girl-mexico-16242038

 

Hmmm...what kind of information do they have?  Sonora, Mexico is 5 hours and 18 minutes away per Google map.  
Have you noticed some of the Mother's family/friends on her facebook are listed as living in SONORA? Klaas had found her facebook and posted upstream, this is the link......interesting to say the least ::MonkeyShocked::
https://www.facebook.com/people/Rebecca-Celis/100000787896099?sk=wall  (https://www.facebook.com/people/Rebecca-Celis/100000787896099?sk=wall)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 01, 2012, 01:24:40 AM
This is the strangest case.  I can't believe that LE released the wrong tape.  I mean come on?  How many of the individuals they were looking for had to tell them which night they were looking at before LE checked the recorder?  A defense atty will have a field day with this.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 01, 2012, 09:37:49 AM
Isabel Celis: Missing Girl, 6, May be in Mexico
Police say the girl who vanished from her bedroom may have been taken to Mexico.
02:38 | 04/30/2012


Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/world-trade-center-yorks-highest-skyscraper-16241782?tab=9482931&section=1206833
Edit to correct video link.  MB   http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/isabel-celis-missing-girl-mexico-16242038

 

Hmmm...what kind of information do they have?  Sonora, Mexico is 5 hours and 18 minutes away per Google map.  
Have you noticed some of the Mother's family/friends on her facebook are listed as living in SONORA? Klaas had found her facebook and posted upstream, this is the link......interesting to say the least ::MonkeyShocked::
https://www.facebook.com/people/Rebecca-Celis/100000787896099?sk=wall  (https://www.facebook.com/people/Rebecca-Celis/100000787896099?sk=wall)

Hmmm...very interesting.  Thanks cartfly.  I didn't even think to look there...ha!  Long day.  My son's principal called to say that he had given the bird in class...he is ten and my youngest. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 01, 2012, 11:10:52 AM

Not at all, I have worked on cases where LE or the security footage provider has not adjusted for daylight savings , or if the agency reading or distributing it is using an interface within a different timezone, some programs will revert.

That is just two examples and the higher the level of sophistication,  sometimes the greatest margin for error.   I got a lesson in Zulu time last year during a GPS tracking course that made me realize that what software or real time interfaces are used to "read" the data are as important as what the footage or data is that is being analyzed.

Unless one is really experienced specifically in surveillance recovery, there is huge margin for error.

I was under the impression that footage came from the mount on the rear of St. Joe's,  has it been established that it came from Moore?

Now that would surprise me if someone in the very profession could get that wrong.
   

It was also Labubske impression that there are two security cameras involved.  What did the Moore surveillance camera reveal ... the Moore surveillance camera directed from 25 yards away on the Celis residence?

Janet

++++


Janet,

I'm under the impression that the video released is not the video from the surveillance company.  This is from another area.  I don't believe that LE has released the video that was pointed directly at the Celis home.  I am glad that you are able to see the sixth individual in the video. 


Janet, that is correct the footage of the wrong day was released from St. Joe's.  As we all know that is the Celis's place of worship.  I sincerely hope that was a completely unintentional error.


Like you, I am most interested in what Moore's footage reflects.  If it contains anything definitively investigative to this case, we will never see it and it has likely been sealed.

I can't see LE spending 5 hours with Rick Moore as their is an active investigation into the disappearance of a missing child if there is not- at that point they have one goal- does the instant case warrant an amber alert?  We saw the conclusion on that issue- so we know there is no evidence of a kidnapping at the very least.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 01, 2012, 11:21:44 AM
Another observation as I am thinking Isa's case this morning before I need to finish an update piece on Kelli Bordeaux-

The storm window in Isabel's window, which was dusted for prints, and clearly had lifts that were visible, was not removed and taken into evidence.

It is still right there with the CST tag on it.

That says it all. 

If the window that Isa was allegedly removed from was found to be the point of entry or exit, or hold any evidentiary value, it would have been taken into evidence property inventory.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 01, 2012, 11:47:42 AM
Well, I have not wanted to post this because I hate to put any focus on the family if indeed they are not involved.  But, as in any case every scenario needs to be addressed.  With that said...didn't I read somewhere that the home was foreclosed on; however, they were able to save it?  What is mom's profession, a nurse?  Dad is a part time dental hygienist...yet, they own home worth nearly 400,000 dollars.  Does his acting really pay that much?  How did they come up with the money to save it? To me that is odd...unless they inherited some money or hit the lottery.  Is there something else going on there?  Just a question.  I don't want to suspect the family at all...I am merely stating a possibility.  Surely this isn't set up to collect money from donations and such.  Maybe she is safe in Sonora...one could only hope. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 01, 2012, 11:52:21 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/isabel-celis-police-break-similar-case/story?id=16249639#.T6AE7auvKSo

Isabel Celis: Police Look for Break in Similar Case



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 01, 2012, 12:20:41 PM
Could it be that the Moore security footage reveals that a cover up was taking place at 6:30 AM ... a coverup that involved removing a screen and opening a window ... a cover up setting an abduction stage?  The silence encompassing what was revealed in the Moore video speaks volumes.  IMO.

KittyMom ... I agree.  Cracks are beginning to emerge in regards to family dynamics.

Janet

++++

Chief Roberto Villasenor: 'We still have hope'
04/25/2012 08:00 AM


<snipped>

Responding to questions from the media, Chief Villasenor addressed the open window in Isabel's bedroom saying, "We've never said the window was the point of entry."

<snipped>

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 01, 2012, 12:23:26 PM
SELF-EDIT

KittyMom s/b labubske


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on May 01, 2012, 12:47:43 PM
Police ask Isabel Celis' parents to go public

TUCSON, Ariz.-- Investigators searching for Isabel Celis, the Tucson 6-year-old who have been missing for more than a week, are encouraging her parents to take more of a role in the case.

"We believe it would be good for them to speak to the media," Lt. Fabian Pacheco of the Tucson Police Department said.

Pacheco said Sergio and Rebecca Celis have cooperated in all other aspects of their investigation.  Tucson Police say they have asked and encouraged Isabel's family to do media interviews.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Police-ask-Isabels-parents-to-go-public-149609185.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on May 01, 2012, 12:48:13 PM
Isabel Celis featured on MissingKids.com

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/isabel-celis-featured-on-missingkids-com-05012012


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 01, 2012, 01:04:23 PM
I really don't understand not going public especially when LE encourages you to do so.  How many families BEG to be on morning shows to get their loved one's face out there. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 01, 2012, 01:31:19 PM
I really don't understand not going public especially when LE encourages you to do so.  How many families BEG to be on morning shows to get their loved one's face out there. 

KittyMom

The one media outreach Isabel's parents participated in they revealed NOTHING about the evening and morning prior to reporting their daughter missing.  No questions by reporters were accepted.  Why?

Could it be Sergio and Becky retained attorneys at the getgo ... retained attorneys as soon as they realized that the Moore surveillance cameras were directed on their home from 25 yards away ... retained attorneys who advised them not to say anything more to investigator than they claimed in their initial statements?

Could it be that investigators immediately informed the parents of Isabel of the camera's existence anticipating a positive response but ... the response was anything but positive?

Think about it.  Why is Lt. Fabian Pacheco making a public plea for Isabel's parents to speak to the media?

I suspect that invesitigators require answers regarding revealed activity that the surveillance camera captured prior to 8:00 AM on the morning Isabel went missing but ... they are not receiving answers from her parents.

Janet

++++++

NANCY GRACE
Police Examine Security Camera Video in Isabel Celis Disappearance
Aired April 27, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: OK, Rick Moore, everyone, joining us, the owner of Moore Security Services, actually has cameras trained on the Celis family home.

Have cops come to your place and taken or looked at video of that alley behind the Celis family home which was being videoed at the time of the kidnap?

MOORE: They certainly have, Nancy. They contacted us right away, about 8:30 on Saturday morning. We do have some signs up in the back of the showroom area, where the cameras are located. It has our phone number on them.

So what they did was they contacted us right away. My general manager came down to the facility, to the showroom, interviewed for four or five hours with detectives, looked at footage then, reviewed footage, then came back Monday and spent basically all day.

Then had us record the information for them on a USB drive. We furnished them with all the information that was stored on the hard drive, on our digital recorder. They took it with them. Hopefully, they`ve got it now and they`re poring over that information that may provide some leads for this investigation.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/27/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 01, 2012, 01:54:40 PM
Does anyone know if the Celis's have retained an attorney?  I hadn't heard that they had, but that doesn't mean that I didn't miss that bit of information along the way.

 ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 01, 2012, 01:59:24 PM
Rebecca Celis
Katie Schaefer Powell shared the following link:http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=444111388948716&id=100000495752428Facebook friends! PLEASE VISIT AND POST THIS LINK TO HELP US FIND ISABEL. WWW.BRINGISAHOME.COM Thank you in advance.link Please note that there is a link to donate. Our efforts require a lot of flyers and materials to keep her face in front of the world. Please donate so we may co...

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000787896099&sk=wall


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on May 01, 2012, 02:00:40 PM
I sure hope that the parents are innocent in all of this...my hinky meter is not going off at all with this family...


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 01, 2012, 02:02:38 PM
Does anyone know if the Celis's have retained an attorney?  I hadn't heard that they had, but that doesn't mean that I didn't miss that bit of information along the way.

 ::CowboySmiley::

I have not seen anything on them retaining an attorney.  I guess that doesn't mean that they haven't...but they haven't made it public if they have.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on May 01, 2012, 05:02:27 PM
sorry IDRW,upstream,mentioned about foreclosure,and somewhere back in
the threads,i posted about the home,bought for 400k,now valued @ 250k
IDK if there was a 2nd mort,but if there was,and it was taken out pre,09 bank
bail,there could certainly be a prob with finances,the bring isa home pg,has
3pgs of big name sponsors,IDK that seems like a lot of funds,i know everyone
has there way of doing things,that just seem big to me
the pg says the screen was moved,and i think i read that LE had no comment
on that subject

from the
http://bringisahome.com/

Circumstances
Isabel Mercedes Celis's parents put her to bed on the night of Friday, April 20th around 11pm. Mom woke up before everyone else, got ready for work and left around 7:30am. Dad woke up shortly after and went to wake the children. It was around 8am when he noticed Isa was not in her room. At that time the police were notified. A screen from one of the windows was compromised, the blinds had been shoved aside.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 01, 2012, 05:10:14 PM
Isabel Celis: Missing Girl, 6, May be in Mexico
Police say the girl who vanished from her bedroom may have been taken to Mexico.
02:38 | 04/30/2012


Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/world-trade-center-yorks-highest-skyscraper-16241782?tab=9482931&section=1206833
Edit to correct video link.  MB   http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/isabel-celis-missing-girl-mexico-16242038

 

Hmmm...what kind of information do they have?  Sonora, Mexico is 5 hours and 18 minutes away per Google map.  
Have you noticed some of the Mother's family/friends on her facebook are listed as living in SONORA? Klaas had found her facebook and posted upstream, this is the link......interesting to say the least ::MonkeyShocked::
https://www.facebook.com/people/Rebecca-Celis/100000787896099?sk=wall  (https://www.facebook.com/people/Rebecca-Celis/100000787896099?sk=wall)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/directionsmexico.jpg)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 01, 2012, 06:00:15 PM
I sure hope that the parents are innocent in all of this...my hinky meter is not going off at all with this family...

Honestly cookie mine isn't either...I have tried to look at different angles.  They look like they are really active in the children's lives...and how does one go from a baseball game to doing something horrible to their child?  It just doesn't seem to fit.  Of course...ANYTHING is possible.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 01, 2012, 07:22:57 PM
RAW VIDEO: Police may discontinue daily news briefings on Celis
Posted: May 1, 2012 3:30 PM
Updated: May 1, 2012 3:40 PM


http://www.kvoa.com/news/raw-video-police-may-discontinue-daily-news-briefings-on-celis/#!prettyPhoto/0/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cartfly on May 01, 2012, 07:24:58 PM
Isabel Celis: Missing Girl, 6, May be in Mexico
Police say the girl who vanished from her bedroom may have been taken to Mexico.
02:38 | 04/30/2012


Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/world-trade-center-yorks-highest-skyscraper-16241782?tab=9482931&section=1206833
Edit to correct video link.  MB   http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/isabel-celis-missing-girl-mexico-16242038

 

Hmmm...what kind of information do they have?  Sonora, Mexico is 5 hours and 18 minutes away per Google map.  
Have you noticed some of the Mother's family/friends on her facebook are listed as living in SONORA? Klaas had found her facebook and posted upstream, this is the link......interesting to say the least ::MonkeyShocked::
https://www.facebook.com/people/Rebecca-Celis/100000787896099?sk=wall  (https://www.facebook.com/people/Rebecca-Celis/100000787896099?sk=wall)

Hmmm...very interesting.  Thanks cartfly.  I didn't even think to look there...ha!  Long day.  My son's principal called to say that he had given the bird in class...he is ten and my youngest. 
OT_ I would be mortified if one of mine did that......(knock on wood) I hope it went well with the principal ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 01, 2012, 07:32:10 PM
Isabel Celis: Missing Girl, 6, May be in Mexico
Police say the girl who vanished from her bedroom may have been taken to Mexico.
02:38 | 04/30/2012


Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/world-trade-center-yorks-highest-skyscraper-16241782?tab=9482931&section=1206833
Edit to correct video link.  MB   http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/isabel-celis-missing-girl-mexico-16242038

 

Hmmm...what kind of information do they have?  Sonora, Mexico is 5 hours and 18 minutes away per Google map.  
Have you noticed some of the Mother's family/friends on her facebook are listed as living in SONORA? Klaas had found her facebook and posted upstream, this is the link......interesting to say the least ::MonkeyShocked::
https://www.facebook.com/people/Rebecca-Celis/100000787896099?sk=wall  (https://www.facebook.com/people/Rebecca-Celis/100000787896099?sk=wall)

Hmmm...very interesting.  Thanks cartfly.  I didn't even think to look there...ha!  Long day.  My son's principal called to say that he had given the bird in class...he is ten and my youngest. 
OT_ I would be mortified if one of mine did that......(knock on wood) I hope it went well with the principal ::MonkeyDevil::

Quick response...I was.  Needless to say...he has all of the "unpleasant" chores...no allowance...and apology letters to write.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cartfly on May 01, 2012, 07:53:00 PM
I sure hope that the parents are innocent in all of this...my hinky meter is not going off at all with this family...
t

Honestly cookie mine isn't either...I have tried to look at different angles.  They look like they are really active in the children's lives...and how does one go from a baseball game to doing something horrible to their child?  It just doesn't seem to fit.  Of course...ANYTHING is possible.
Perhaps "someone" saw them as an easy target (if related  to Sonora) ........beautiful family taking trips to Vegas looking like they were doing well for themselves......
The only hinky twinge I had was with the Dad during the press conference early on. He just appeared "odd" to me like he knew something/who was responsible and why. I don't feel like they hurt this child but may know who is responsible.....jmo

The following link gives a good inside look at the Sonora state regarding violent crime.
https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=11005   (https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=11005)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: yuknomenot on May 01, 2012, 08:59:01 PM
::snipping2::

Pacheco said the family has received numerous requests for an interview from media outlets and is considering sitting down for an interview, though police do not know with whom.

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/043012_celis_missing_tucson/tpd-video-witnesses-celis-case-was-from-wrong-day/
I think the choice of media outlet could be very telling.  This is already a national story, heard it on one of the local news stations earlier, so there is no need to go with any of the networks.  If they give the interview to local stations, it will get broadcast everywhere anyway. 

Also a thought on the red car.  In that one odd PC the parents had Mom said something along the lines of keeping the focus off of them.  Perhaps they were going through a rocky patch and one of them was using that car to sleep.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 01, 2012, 09:58:07 PM
Have the older Celis boys returned to school and little league games?  What's going on with this family?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 02, 2012, 10:07:25 AM
It is NG so take it with a grain of salt.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/01/search-for-missing-2-year-old-last-seen-with-family-playing-on-beach/?hpt=ng_bn1

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/KittyMom5/Scared%20Monkeys/isabelCelis.jpg)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 02, 2012, 10:25:50 AM
I sure hope that the parents are innocent in all of this...my hinky meter is not going off at all with this family...

Honestly cookie mine isn't either...I have tried to look at different angles.  They look like they are really active in the children's lives...and how does one go from a baseball game to doing something horrible to their child?  It just doesn't seem to fit.  Of course...ANYTHING is possible.

I have to agree that my hinky meter is not going off, however, people looking from the outside at my family would have never guessed what went on behind closed doors.  My step-father coached my brothers little league and later attended all their football and basketball games.  That didn't keep him from going off in vicious rants and pointing a gun at my brothers when he was really mad.  It didn't keep him from molesting me, either.  So, sometimes it is hard to tell what a family is really going through. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 02, 2012, 10:30:01 AM
I sure hope that the parents are innocent in all of this...my hinky meter is not going off at all with this family...

Honestly cookie mine isn't either...I have tried to look at different angles.  They look like they are really active in the children's lives...and how does one go from a baseball game to doing something horrible to their child?  It just doesn't seem to fit.  Of course...ANYTHING is possible.

I have to agree that my hinky meter is not going off, however, people looking from the outside at my family would have never guessed what went on behind closed doors.  My step-father coached my brothers little league and later attended all their football and basketball games.  That didn't keep him from going off in vicious rants and pointing a gun at my brothers when he was really mad.  It didn't keep him from molesting me, either.  So, sometimes it is hard to tell what a family is really going through. 

So true...flutter.  You never really know what is going on behind the closed doors.  Sorry you had to go through that. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 02, 2012, 10:36:11 AM
It is NG so take it with a grain of salt.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/01/search-for-missing-2-year-old-last-seen-with-family-playing-on-beach/?hpt=ng_bn1

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/KittyMom5/Scared%20Monkeys/isabelCelis.jpg)

I would like to know if this is true.  I was trying to find who lived in the home down the street...when I look up the records it looks more like it would be Sergio's parents home (well that is the name on the property appraiser site).  I know that it was said somewhere that Sergio's brother lived there...so I'm not real sure.  But, if they are looking into Mexico...then wouldn't that be HER family that is there?  Am I right on that?  So, was there a cousin in the home, I wonder?  Maybe that is why they want video and pictures from the baseball game that night.  To see there interaction.  Is mom's maiden name Lopez?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on May 02, 2012, 10:48:58 AM
I sure hope that the parents are innocent in all of this...my hinky meter is not going off at all with this family...

Honestly cookie mine isn't either...I have tried to look at different angles.  They look like they are really active in the children's lives...and how does one go from a baseball game to doing something horrible to their child?  It just doesn't seem to fit.  Of course...ANYTHING is possible.

I have to agree that my hinky meter is not going off, however, people looking from the outside at my family would have never guessed what went on behind closed doors.  My step-father coached my brothers little league and later attended all their football and basketball games.  That didn't keep him from going off in vicious rants and pointing a gun at my brothers when he was really mad.  It didn't keep him from molesting me, either.  So, sometimes it is hard to tell what a family is really going through. 

Very true.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 02, 2012, 11:53:38 AM
It is NG so take it with a grain of salt.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/01/search-for-missing-2-year-old-last-seen-with-family-playing-on-beach/?hpt=ng_bn1

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/KittyMom5/Scared%20Monkeys/isabelCelis.jpg)

I would like to know if this is true.  I was trying to find who lived in the home down the street...when I look up the records it looks more like it would be Sergio's parents home (well that is the name on the property appraiser site).  I know that it was said somewhere that Sergio's brother lived there...so I'm not real sure.  But, if they are looking into Mexico...then wouldn't that be HER family that is there?  Am I right on that?  So, was there a cousin in the home, I wonder?  Maybe that is why they want video and pictures from the baseball game that night.  To see there interaction.  Is mom's maiden name Lopez?
http://www.masoncountydailynews.com/news/national-news/28702-search-for-missing-tucson-girl-isabel-celis-checks-nearby-homes
Quote
Celis' uncle, Justin Mastromarino, told ABC News that the girl's mother is devastated over the disappearance of her "sweet little girl."

https://www.facebook.com/adam.mastromarino

From the mom's facebook page you can find several family members with the last name Mastromarino.  I'm guessing that this is the mom's side of the family. 

I'm not sure which side of the family has ties to Mexico.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 02, 2012, 12:38:49 PM
It is NG so take it with a grain of salt.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/01/search-for-missing-2-year-old-last-seen-with-family-playing-on-beach/?hpt=ng_bn1

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/KittyMom5/Scared%20Monkeys/isabelCelis.jpg)

I would like to know if this is true.  I was trying to find who lived in the home down the street...when I look up the records it looks more like it would be Sergio's parents home (well that is the name on the property appraiser site).  I know that it was said somewhere that Sergio's brother lived there...so I'm not real sure.  But, if they are looking into Mexico...then wouldn't that be HER family that is there?  Am I right on that?  So, was there a cousin in the home, I wonder?  Maybe that is why they want video and pictures from the baseball game that night.  To see their interaction.  Is mom's maiden name Lopez?
http://www.masoncountydailynews.com/news/national-news/28702-search-for-missing-tucson-girl-isabel-celis-checks-nearby-homes
Quote
Celis' uncle, Justin Mastromarino, told ABC News that the girl's mother is devastated over the disappearance of her "sweet little girl."

https://www.facebook.com/adam.mastromarino

From the mom's facebook page you can find several family members with the last name Mastromarino.  I'm guessing that this is the mom's side of the family. 

I'm not sure which side of the family has ties to Mexico.

Thanks KittyMom...!  Also...I edited above: there to their (wow, I am full of writing errors).


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on May 02, 2012, 12:52:04 PM
 Source: Cops Eye Isabel's Cousin
A source close to the family claims that police are allegedly scrutinizing a male cousin of missing girl Isabel Celis. What does he know about 6-year-old Isabel’s disappearance from her own bed in the middle of the night?
A source close to the family claims that police are allegedly scrutinizing a male cousin of missing girl Isabel Celis
 ::snipping2::

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/01/search-for-missing-2-year-old-last-seen-with-family-playing-on-beach/?hpt=ng_bn1


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 02, 2012, 01:18:34 PM
Does anyone recall what vehicles were in the driveway at the Celis home?  Was there a black Jeep?  Just curious.  One of the family members has quite a bit of trouble with authority here in Florida...just curious.  I don't want to post anything about him really...because he may not be involved...but, I would like to know if he was around that night?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: BabsKats on May 02, 2012, 01:21:13 PM
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/01/bedroom-attack-could-be-linked-to-isabel-celis-disappearance/?iref=allsearch


Bedroom attack could be linked to Isabel Celis disappearance

An attack on three young girls has been reported at a Tucson-area home just 10 miles from the house where 6-year-old Isabel Celis may have been abducted from her bedroom.

Authorities are investigating whether the bedroom assault early Monday morning has anything to do with Isabel’s disappearance. Isabel was reported missing around 8 a.m. on April 21, and her parents told police she was last seen in her bedroom when they put her to sleep the night before.

Pima County Sheriff’s Department Capt. Chris Nanos told HLN’s Nancy Grace that Monday’s incident occurred in a quiet neighborhood north of Tucson where three girls, ages 6, 8 and 10, were sleeping at their grandparents’ home. Nanos said around 1:48 a.m. the family reported that a white man believed to be in his 20s had come into the girls’ bedroom and molested one of them.

“All three reported an individual had walked into the bedroom, assaulted one of the little girls, left the bedroom, then returned to the bedroom and engaged in conversation with one of the little girls who challenged his story to her. He then fled the house,” Nanos explained.

 ::snipping2::

Nanos praised the young girls for providing valuable information about the suspect. “I can’t say enough of their courage. They are the heroes in this case,” he said.

Tucson police said Monday that they do not know if there is a connection between the two incidents, but they are reviewing the cases to determine if there are any similarities. The possibility that Isabel was kidnapped from her bedroom by a stranger is one of several that authorities are considering.

 



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 02, 2012, 01:42:16 PM
Source: Cops Eye Isabel's Cousin
A source close to the family claims that police are allegedly scrutinizing a male cousin of missing girl Isabel Celis. What does he know about 6-year-old Isabel’s disappearance from her own bed in the middle of the night?
A source close to the family claims that police are allegedly scrutinizing a male cousin of missing girl Isabel Celis
 ::snipping2::

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/01/search-for-missing-2-year-old-last-seen-with-family-playing-on-beach/?hpt=ng_bn1

Cousin?  Coincidence?


Pray for Isabel
Posted on 01. May, 2012
by Erika Pedroza


The Messenger office has fielded a few calls with story tips for This Justin, a sister paper birthed last week for the residents of our Denton County neighbor.

Last week, I took a phone call from a Northwest High School senior, Alex Celis. His cousin, 6-year-old Isabel Celis was presumably kidnapped from her Tucson, Ariz., home two weeks ago.

His uncle put her to bed and when he went to wake her up the next morning, she was gone. As of Tuesday afternoon she had not been found.

Because Alex is a Justin resident, the story is more suitable for the Justin paper, and reporter Mary Wendell is working on a story for the newspaper published biweekly.

However, he petitioned prayers for the recovery of his “adorable baby cousin.

<snipped>

http://www.wcmessenger.com/blogs/mess/?p=2098


Welcome to the first This Justin
Published Friday, April 27, 2012


http://www.thisjustintexas.com/welcome-to-the-first-this-justin/



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 02, 2012, 03:10:13 PM
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/01/worst-time-their-life
"This is the worst time of their life"

Quote
Erin Runnion's daughter was kidnapped and murdered


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 02, 2012, 03:12:31 PM
Does anyone recall what vehicles were in the driveway at the Celis home?  Was there a black Jeep?  Just curious.  One of the family members has quite a bit of trouble with authority here in Florida...just curious.  I don't want to post anything about him really...because he may not be involved...but, I would like to know if he was around that night?

labubske

I am still convinced that the Moore surveillance footage will be the smoking gun and ... the smoking gun will reveal there was a staging happening when Alicia head all the commotion at 6:30 AM ... a staging that involved opening a window and removing a screen to suggest a stranger kidnapping ... a staging to protect a family member from the consequences of an illegal act that caused the demise of Isabel Celis.

Logic dictates that barking dogs would have scared a stranger kidnapper away.  Logic dictates that a stranger kidnapper did not scale a six foot wall carrying a little girl.  IMO

Could the existence of the Moore surviellance footage explain the silence and the unknown regarding the whereabouts of Isabel's parents?  Based on what was revealed by the Moore surveillance footage ... do Sergio and Becky realize that investigators are aware that an abduction of their daughter never happened and ... it is just a matter of time before the truth is revealed.

I decernment is where it is at in regards to the words that come from Nancy Grace's lips.  However ... if Nancy states emphatically that a family member claims a cousin is currently under suspicion ...   somehow I believe her.

Janet

+++++


Is surveillance video key to solving missing girl investigation?
Posted: Apr 25, 2012 7:40 PM
Updated: Apr 25, 2012 7:40 PM


TUCSON - Police are investigating hundreds of leads regarding the disppearance of Isabel Celis, but one business in the area may have a big key to help solve the puzzle.

Rick Moore of Moore Security Solutions has surveillance cameras placed right outside his company--a company that is just feet away from Isabel Celis' family home.

Rick Moore said his cameras were on the watch the night Isabel disappeared.

"And the cameras that we have located in the back were looking where a lot of things were happening," said Moore.

Moore said he believes these cameras provide more information to police than any other nearby camera because of their location.

"In terms of maybe license plate numbers, cars going by - these cameras also have infrared technology so you can see at nighttime and that will help too, since the abduction occurred between 11 and 8 o'clock," said Moore.

Moore said on Saturday, his general manager spent about five hours with police, showing them surveillance video of the area, and on Monday, they were back again to review video and get a copy of activity from 10 p.m. Friday night to 9 a.m. Saturday morning.

"There was activity going on," he said. "There were vehicles...there were people wandering around. There were things that we saw and we did get recorded so that information we did release to the police."

<snipped>

http://www.kvoa.com/news/is-surveillance-video-key-to-solving-missing-girl-investigation-/


RAW VIDEO: Police may discontinue daily news briefings on Celis
Posted: May 1, 2012 3:30 PM
Updated: May 1, 2012 3:40 PM


<snipped>

Lt. Fabian Pacheco said the department is fully aware of the resources used by the department and the media when holding the afternoon meetings and is concerned resources may be stretched especially when no new details are released in the case. Pacheco stressed detectives are still working the case but cannot reveal many details to the public.

<snipped>

http://www.kvoa.com/news/raw-video-police-may-discontinue-daily-news-briefings-on-celis/#


Chief Roberto Villasenor: 'We still have hope'
04/25/2012 08:00 AM


<snipped>

Responding to questions from the media, Chief Villasenor addressed the open window in Isabel's bedroom saying, "We've never said the window was the point of entry."

<snipped>

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 02, 2012, 04:12:04 PM
HLN - Breaking News!

Sergio Celis just entered his home with 4 detectives. 

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 02, 2012, 05:13:34 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/celis-parents-visit-house-separately-accompanied-by-law-enforcement/

Celis parents visit house separately, accompanied by law enforcement

Quote
her mother and father visited the house separately, accompanied by law enforcement officials, and a young boy is currently at the house.



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 02, 2012, 05:24:51 PM
What's going on!!

Janet

++++

Local News Celis parents visit house separately, accompanied by law enforcement
Posted: May 2, 2012 1:50 PM
Updated: May 2, 2012 1:50 PM


TUCSON - There has been activity at the house where missing 6-year-old Isabel Celis lives - her mother and father visited the house separately, accompanied by law enforcement officials, and a young boy is currently at the house.

Sergio Celis arrived at the east side home early this afternoon with several detectives, according to News 4 Tucson's Lupita Murillo, who has obtained video of this occurrence. The father remained inside the home for about an hour, then left.

Murillo then witnessed Rebecca Celis, Isabel's mother, enter the home, also accompanied by law enforcement officials. After the mother left, a young boy was escorted inside the house by law enforcement.

<snipped>

http://www.kvoa.com/news/celis-parents-visit-house-separately-accompanied-by-law-enforcement/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 02, 2012, 05:28:14 PM
Local News Celis parents visit house separately, accompanied by law enforcement
Posted: May 2, 2012 1:50 PM
Updated: May 2, 2012 1:50 PM


<snipped>

Tucson Police will be holding a news conference at 2 p.m. Log on to KVOA.com and click the Live Stream link to watch it live.

<snipped>

http://www.kvoa.com/news/celis-parents-visit-house-separately-accompanied-by-law-enforcement/


KVOA Live Stream

http://www.kvoa.com/livestream/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 02, 2012, 05:36:38 PM
House has been under the control of the parents for days now.  LE is NOT there under a search warrant.  They are there with the family with their consent.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 02, 2012, 05:38:37 PM
Taking the parents into the home separately was just LE furthering their investigative proceedures.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 02, 2012, 05:52:12 PM
Investigators bring family members to Celis home
Posted: May 02, 2012 10:21 AM PDT
Updated: May 02, 2012 2:38 PM PDT


TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) - Isabel Celis' parents returned separately to their home this morning. Both were accompanied by investigators.

In his daily news conference, Tucson Police Lt. Fabian Pacheco said the family is still cooperating and assisting with the investigation. He said the police were not serving a search warrant - the investigators were there with the parents' permission.

Investigators brought the family members to the house "to speak with them there and evaluate the scene," Pacheco said.

Shortly after 11:30 today, investigators arrived in two cars and entered the house through the garage with a man who appeared to be Sergio Celis. After he left, Rebecca Celis arrived.

Investigators later brought another person into the home who appeared to be a boy in his teens.

At the time, police did not confirm the identities of any of the people brought to the house.

Pacheco said they are not focusing on any one suspect in particular, but "nobody has been ruled out."

<snipped>

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18063127/banners-placed-on-celis-home
 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 02, 2012, 05:58:53 PM
Is NOBODY Going to ask if they came in two cars whose car was in the garage?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 02, 2012, 06:14:30 PM
House has been under the control of the parents for days now.  LE is NOT there under a search warrant.  They are there with the family with their consent.

Very True Kitty but I can bet you there are ongoing warrants related to that premises of the surreptitious variety that are sealed.

aka: "Big Brother"


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 02, 2012, 06:26:49 PM
Tucson police detectives back at Celis home
Story Video Tucson police detectives back at Celis home
Posted: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 2:15 pm


Tucson police detectives accompanied the parents of Isabel Celis back to the family home Wednesday as part of their investigation into the 6-year-old girl's disappearance.

A police official said the return to the house was part of the "normal investigative process."

Detectives took Isabel's father, Sergio, and mother, Becky, into the house separately.

"The family has been cooperating," said police Lt. Fabian Pacheco at the 2 p.m. police briefing. "We are there with their consent to continue our investigation."

<snipped>


Detectives are continuing tracking down the numerous tips that have come in about Isabel's disappearance, Pacheco said. About 500 tips have been received, including about 100 since Tuesday.

Pacheco said some of the tips "aren't very good, but they still have to be checked out."

He said the department remains positive as the search is in it's 12th day. "We continue to be hopeful that she will return to her family safe and soon," Pacheco said.

<snipped>

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/tucson-police-detectives-back-at-celis-home/article_b0fdbd58-11bd-5ffe-9378-68c094420087.html






Read more: http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/tucson-police-detectives-back-at-celis-home/article_b0fdbd58-11bd-5ffe-9378-68c094420087.html#ixzz1tklwqneE

 



Read more: http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/tucson-police-detectives-back-at-celis-home/article_b0fdbd58-11bd-5ffe-9378-68c094420087.html#ixzz1tklIDX97


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on May 02, 2012, 06:38:58 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/celis-parents-visit-house-separately-accompanied-by-law-enforcement/
Celis parents visit house separately, accompanied by law enforcement
May 2, 2012
 ::snipping2::
Tucson Police will be holding a news conference at 2 p.m. Log on to KVOA.com and click the Live Stream link to watch it live.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on May 02, 2012, 07:40:26 PM

Please say a prayer and light a candle for Isabel...


 ::MonkeyAngel:: http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Isa%20C  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 02, 2012, 07:44:12 PM

Please say a prayer and light a candle for Isabel...


 ::MonkeyAngel:: http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Isa%20C  ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 02, 2012, 07:58:52 PM
(http://media2.abc15.com//photo/2012/04/21/Isabel_Mercedes_Celis_20120421150151_320_240.JPG)

(http://media2.abc15.com//photo/2010/05/16/ap_logo_20100516130557_60_45.JPG)





Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on May 02, 2012, 08:32:11 PM
Professional cleaning crew now at the Celis residence.  ::dogwag::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 02, 2012, 08:51:30 PM
Is NOBODY Going to ask if they came in two cars whose car was in the garage?

I was at the dentist, missed the PC...I'll bite.  Whose car was in the garage?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 02, 2012, 09:00:21 PM

Nancy Grace just stated that the "cousin" who is allegedly under investigation has previusly been referred to in the media as Isabel's had been or was living lived in the Celis home.

Considering the Moore surviellance camera appears to have captured both father and uncle leaving the home at 8:00 AM on the moring of April 21st ... could it be that this uncle had been in the home that night?

What did the Moore surviellance camera capture at 6:30 AM ... 6:30 AM when Alicia was woken by the sound of voices and barking dogs?

Janet

+++++

The Uncle

Apr 22, 2012 10:45am
Open Window Shows Missing Tucson Girl Was Abducted, Parents Say


<snipped>

Celis’ family has no doubt she was kidnapped by a stranger.

“You don’t think anything like that would actually really happen to you. And all of sudden, you wake up one morning and you’re in that scenario. Everything goes through your mind, you’re angry, you’re upset, you’re frustrated, you’re confused,” said Isabel’s uncle and family spokesperson Justin Mastromarino.

Mastromarino said her family is a loving one.

“They’re very upset right now, mother is beside herself we’re just trying to let police do their thing and get as much info as possible,” said Mastromarino.

Mastromarino described his niece as “just a sweet little girl.”

“All the ambition in the world. She could do whatever she wanted. Didn’t really like strangers or anything like that so very close knitted and just very wise,” said Mastromarino.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/isabel-celis-6-year-old-girl-vanishes-from-tucson-arizona-home/


NANCY GRACE
Police Examine Security Camera Video in Isabel Celis Disappearance
Aired April 27, 2012 - 20:00   ET


GRACE:  With us, special guest Rick Moore, who had video cameras specifically trained on the Celis home. He describes seeing who he believes to be Isa`s father and uncle coming out of the home around 8:00 AM that morning, walking back and forth, apparently looking for Isa, we can surmise.

<snipped>

GRACE: ... is Isabel`s father and his brother, which would be Isabel`s uncle, walking around in front of the Celis home.

MOORE: Nancy, that`s conjecture on my part. I think that`s who it was. The police didn`t want us to speculate about who that

<snipped>

GRACE: Ellie, what time, do we know exactly, was the 911 call?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, exactly. It was 8:14. But police did say family did a quick search before they called

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/27/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 02, 2012, 09:02:29 PM
SELF-EDIT

media as Isabel's had been s/b media as Isabel's uncle had been


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 02, 2012, 09:54:14 PM
House has been under the control of the parents for days now.  LE is NOT there under a search warrant.  They are there with the family with their consent.

Very True Kitty but I can bet you there are ongoing warrants related to that premises of the surreptitious variety that are sealed.

aka: "Big Brother"
I was posting what I heard the PIO say during the presser. 

And I just bet there were 'bugs' in the house, on their phones, and anywhere else LE deems necessary.  And I'll just bet having the parents and young boy go in separate was to determine if there were any inconsistencies in their stories. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 02, 2012, 09:57:27 PM
Professional cleaning crew now at the Celis residence.  ::dogwag::
I saw that on a headline earlier and wondered why they would call in pros?  I mean, what is there possibly in there that needs professional cleaning?  I'm thinking there must be something beyond fingerprint powder. 

I'd love to ask the cleaning crew if there are any odors present.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 02, 2012, 10:00:25 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/detectives-bring-celis-family-members-to-scene-one-by-one/
Detectives bring Celis family members to scene, one by one

Quote
Sergio Celis was quickly whisked away by the investigators. Minutes later, Rebecca Celis, Isabel's mother, showed up with the same detectives. She stayed in the house for about 45 minutes, and then left. Then, detectives brought in this young boy, believed to be Isabel's brother.

We understand the detectives did this to recreate the scene to help them create a better timeline before little Isabel disappeared.

It's all about the timeline.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 02, 2012, 10:02:25 PM
Is NOBODY Going to ask if they came in two cars whose car was in the garage?

I was at the dentist, missed the PC...I'll bite.  Whose car was in the garage?

Come on, Blink, spill. 
 :smt110


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 02, 2012, 10:06:00 PM
Is NOBODY Going to ask if they came in two cars whose car was in the garage?

I was at the dentist, missed the PC...I'll bite.  Whose car was in the garage?

Attorney


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 02, 2012, 10:11:51 PM
Is NOBODY Going to ask if they came in two cars whose car was in the garage?

A repeat Nancy Grace is beginning now.  I will watch again but ... I thought there were three vehicles coming and going.  Each carried a member of the Cerio family along with investigators.  I could be wrong.

Janet
7:05 PM PT



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: yuknomenot on May 02, 2012, 10:16:32 PM
Is NOBODY Going to ask if they came in two cars whose car was in the garage?

I was at the dentist, missed the PC...I'll bite.  Whose car was in the garage?

Attorney
I must have somehow missed a bunch.  Whose attorney and was he, or she, waiting in the house?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 02, 2012, 10:20:33 PM
Uncle Justin
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000457842579&sk=wall

Uncle Adam
https://www.facebook.com/adam.mastromarino

cousin Citlali
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10117384

mom
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000787896099



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 02, 2012, 10:23:03 PM
Is NOBODY Going to ask if they came in two cars whose car was in the garage?

I was at the dentist, missed the PC...I'll bite.  Whose car was in the garage?

Attorney
Oh, dear, Lord, please tell me it wasn't Jose.
 :smt018


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on May 02, 2012, 10:53:58 PM
Search for Isabela Celis extends to Douglas


The search for Isabel Celis has reached the border communities of Douglas and Nogales and even into Mexico, officials are now saying.

Missing person flyers have been posted at various stores in both communities and authorities are following up on various leads they have in the case.

Isabela’s family has ties to Douglas. Her mom Rebecca (Snyder) Celis is a 1995 graduate of Douglas High School and at one time ran for the title of Miss Douglas.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.douglasdispatch.com/articles/2012/05/02/news/doc4fa18d3b1b98f222950905.txt


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on May 02, 2012, 11:11:50 PM
Police say they've gotten 500 Isabel Celis tips in the last 12 days (video)

TUCSON - Tucson Police say more than 500 tips have come in regarding the disappearance of Isabel Celis. One hundred of those tips were reported between Tuesday and Wednesday afternoon. The six-year-old was reported missing from her east side home 12 days ago.

On Wednesday, detectives entered the Celis home with the girl's father, mother, and two brothers. The family has control of the home and investigators were there with the family's consent.

Lt. Fabian Pacheco from the Tucson Police Department said the visit was a routine part of the investigation. 

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kvoa.com/videos/police-say-they-ve-gotten-500-isabel-celis-tips-in-the-last-12-days/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cartfly on May 02, 2012, 11:26:42 PM
According to this FB page, the parents will be doing a media interview Thursday
Quote
Becky and Sergio will be on the Today show tomorrow it will air 7am our time. Please tune in and support them.

https://www.facebook.com/FindIsabel  (https://www.facebook.com/FindIsabel)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 03, 2012, 06:33:48 AM
Is NOBODY Going to ask if they came in two cars whose car was in the garage?

I was at the dentist, missed the PC...I'll bite.  Whose car was in the garage?

Attorney

Thank you Blink!  Are the parents sharing an atty?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 03, 2012, 06:35:38 AM
According to this FB page, the parents will be doing a media interview Thursday
Quote
Becky and Sergio will be on the Today show tomorrow it will air 7am our time. Please tune in and support them.

https://www.facebook.com/FindIsabel  (https://www.facebook.com/FindIsabel)

Thanks Cartfly! 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 03, 2012, 08:28:58 AM
Is NOBODY Going to ask if they came in two cars whose car was in the garage?

I was at the dentist, missed the PC...I'll bite.  Whose car was in the garage?

Attorney

Thank you Blink!  Are the parents sharing an atty?

So, that answers our question of them hiring an attorney! Thanks, Blink.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 03, 2012, 08:53:04 AM
I saw the live interview this morning on the today show. 
Would like to see it again. 
Interview was prefaced by news reports and I saw a car driving into the Celis' garage. Wondering if that was the lawyer going there yesterday?

Father said he braided Isa's hair to get her ready for the soccer game the next morning.
I'm a bit confused about this.  Was she put to bed in her regular clothing yet had her hair braided before going to bed? - maybe another mokey who saw the interview could clear this up for me. tia


 

 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: tupelohoney on May 03, 2012, 08:57:05 AM
7:32 am
Parents re-enact night Ariz. girl went missing

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/47276602#47276602


7:35 am
Dad: Missing Ariz. girl ‘deserves to be home'

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/47276602#47276606


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 03, 2012, 09:20:05 AM
I saw the live interview this morning on the today show. 
Would like to see it again. 
Interview was prefaced by news reports and I saw a car driving into the Celis' garage. Wondering if that was the lawyer going there yesterday?

Father said he braided Isa's hair to get her ready for the soccer game the next morning.
I'm a bit confused about this.  Was she put to bed in her regular clothing yet had her hair braided before going to bed? - maybe another mokey who saw the interview could clear this up for me. tia


 

 

I didn't see the Today show...but, very good question can.  I would like for that to be cleared up too.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 03, 2012, 09:37:44 AM
House has been under the control of the parents for days now.  LE is NOT there under a search warrant.  They are there with the family with their consent.

Very True Kitty but I can bet you there are ongoing warrants related to that premises of the surreptitious variety that are sealed.

aka: "Big Brother"
I was posting what I heard the PIO say during the presser. 

And I just bet there were 'bugs' in the house, on their phones, and anywhere else LE deems necessary.  And I'll just bet having the parents and young boy go in separate was to determine if there were any inconsistencies in their stories. 

Which is exactly what Lisa Irwin's parents refuse to do.  That is why I am still not seeing parental involvement in this case.  A relative, maybe, but not the parents.  Hope I am right, but only time will tell.   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 09:52:32 AM
Today Show - The Taped Interview

NANCY GRACE
Police Eye Male Cousin in Celis Disappearance
Aired May 2, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: We learned the parents set to do a taped interview with a national morning show, possibly the "Today" show.

<snipped>

GRACE: And here`s the deal, Marc Klaas. Everyone is saying well, that`s just a drug arrest. I get it. But when you get an arrest and you get a conviction, you might as well dig in because you are going to be looked at more harshly, more carefully than other people. It`s just that simple. It`s a fundamental investigation. That doesn`t mean the guy is guilty? It means that right now he`s in the crosshairs. He`s being looked at.

Another issue, Marc Klaas, what do you make of the parents now agreeing to do only a taped interview. They`re not going to go live, they`re not going to take live questions, it`s going to be a taped scenario from what we are understanding.

KLAAS: Well, I don`t know. Pre-approving questions and getting editorial control isn`t really what this is about. This is about them making the case for their daughter, getting people invested in their daughter, and they certainly can`t be ignoring the local press, because you know what, when the national press is finished with this, and if this case is still not resolved, the only people they will have to turn to are the local press and if they`ve been dismissive of the local press in the past, it might be very difficult for them to get the interviews that will be necessary to keep the story alive in the future.

GRACE: Let me put up, Jean Casarez and Alexis Tereszcuk, and we`ll bring in Paul Birmingham on this.

You know what, doing a taped interview is a far, far cry from live. All right. Explain, Jean Casarez. You`ve done plenty of both.

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": It`s called editing. Things can be edited out. Things can be -- we`re not going to talk about this. Now a journalist should still be able to answer -- ask the question, and if they refuse to answer it, that should be on the tape, but you never know what conditions will be asserted and what allowances will be made so that questions won`t be asked that they don`t want asked.

GRACE: Alexis, explain the difference between a taped interview and a live interview.

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: Well, in a live interview, you can`t go back and change what you say. I`ve had this happen sometimes somebody gives an emotion that they think that I feel as a reporter is a wonderful emotion to make. Oh, no, I don`t want anybody to know that. So you can change anything. You can take three, four, five takes to get something out. You can have people with you that are coaching you what to say.

When it`s a taped interview, you can make sure it`s exactly what you want. There`s never the level of surprise or the raw emotion that you`re going to get from a live interview. It`s very staged.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/02/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 09:59:03 AM
The Parents - The Silence

NANCY GRACE
Police Eye Male Cousin in Celis Disappearance
Aired May 2, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: To Ellie Jostad, isn`t it true that extended relatives have wanted to come forward and lead the search, be out there, speak to the press, asking for help to find Isa, and the parents have told them no?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Right, Nancy. We`ve talked to relatives. Greg, on the ground there, has talked to relatives who say they do want to get out there. They know how important it is to keep this in the public eye, and that is by getting on camera, telling people that Isabel is still missing, asking for help. Family wants to talk but the parents are still keeping a lid on it.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/02/ng.01.html
 



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 10:38:52 AM
The Interview - NBC - Today Show

Right now!!

Janet
7:35 AM PT




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 11:14:43 AM

Nancy Grace just stated that the "cousin" who is allegedly under investigation has previously been referred to in the media as Isabel's "uncle" had been or was living lived in the Celis home.

Considering the Moore surviellance camera appears to have captured both father and uncle leaving the home at 8:00 AM on the moring of April 21st ... could it be that this uncle had been in the home that night?

What did the Moore surviellance camera capture at 6:30 AM ... 6:30 AM when Alicia was woken by the sound of voices and barking dogs?

Janet

+++++

The Uncle

Apr 22, 2012 10:45am
Open Window Shows Missing Tucson Girl Was Abducted, Parents Say


<snipped>

Celis’ family has no doubt she was kidnapped by a stranger.

“You don’t think anything like that would actually really happen to you. And all of sudden, you wake up one morning and you’re in that scenario. Everything goes through your mind, you’re angry, you’re upset, you’re frustrated, you’re confused,” said Isabel’s uncle and family spokesperson Justin Mastromarino.

Mastromarino said her family is a loving one.

“They’re very upset right now, mother is beside herself we’re just trying to let police do their thing and get as much info as possible,” said Mastromarino.

Mastromarino described his niece as “just a sweet little girl.”

“All the ambition in the world. She could do whatever she wanted. Didn’t really like strangers or anything like that so very close knitted and just very wise,” said Mastromarino.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/isabel-celis-6-year-old-girl-vanishes-from-tucson-arizona-home/


NANCY GRACE
Police Examine Security Camera Video in Isabel Celis Disappearance
Aired April 27, 2012 - 20:00   ET


GRACE:  With us, special guest Rick Moore, who had video cameras specifically trained on the Celis home. He describes seeing who he believes to be Isa`s father and uncle coming out of the home around 8:00 AM that morning, walking back and forth, apparently looking for Isa, we can surmise.

<snipped>

GRACE: ... is Isabel`s father and his brother, which would be Isabel`s uncle, walking around in front of the Celis home.

MOORE: Nancy, that`s conjecture on my part. I think that`s who it was. The police didn`t want us to speculate about who that

<snipped>

GRACE: Ellie, what time, do we know exactly, was the 911 call?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, exactly. It was 8:14. But police did say family did a quick search before they called

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/27/ng.01.html


The Cousin/Uncle

NANCY GRACE
Police Eye Male Cousin in Celis Disappearance
Aired May 2, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST:  A source now claims police looking closely at Isabel`s male cousin, who once lived in the home ...

<sniped>

GRACE:  Straight out to Paul Birmingham, KNST. Paul, what is the latest? And what can you tell me about this male cousin to Isa?

PAUL BIRMINGHAM, KNST (via telephone): Right. This is what we`re hearing from our sources here in Tucson, that police are scrutinizing this individual. He does have a criminal background, so he has had contact with police before. At this point, it is unclear exactly what sorts of questions they might be asking him or exactly what that scrutiny could consist of.

<snipped>

GRACE: Right now, out to the Celis family home. Standing by, our producer on the scene, Greg Overzat. Greg, what can you tell me about this male cousin?

GREG OVERZAT, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, about this cousin, it`s unclear why specifically he is being scrutinized by police, according to our source. He does have a criminal past. Now, that past only includes charges involving DUI, drug possession, those kind of things, nothing involving -- anything involving a child, sex assault, et cetera.

<snipped>

GRACE: We are live in Tucson. We learned tonight that police scrutinizing an adult male cousin, an adult male cousin that has referred to himself as Isabel`s uncle in the past.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/02/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 03, 2012, 11:19:14 AM

Nancy Grace just stated that the "cousin" who is allegedly under investigation has previously been referred to in the media as Isabel's "uncle" had been or was living lived in the Celis home.

Considering the Moore surviellance camera appears to have captured both father and uncle leaving the home at 8:00 AM on the moring of April 21st ... could it be that this uncle had been in the home that night?

What did the Moore surviellance camera capture at 6:30 AM ... 6:30 AM when Alicia was woken by the sound of voices and barking dogs?

Janet

+++++

The Uncle

Apr 22, 2012 10:45am
Open Window Shows Missing Tucson Girl Was Abducted, Parents Say


<snipped>

Celis’ family has no doubt she was kidnapped by a stranger.

“You don’t think anything like that would actually really happen to you. And all of sudden, you wake up one morning and you’re in that scenario. Everything goes through your mind, you’re angry, you’re upset, you’re frustrated, you’re confused,” said Isabel’s uncle and family spokesperson Justin Mastromarino.

Mastromarino said her family is a loving one.

“They’re very upset right now, mother is beside herself we’re just trying to let police do their thing and get as much info as possible,” said Mastromarino.

Mastromarino described his niece as “just a sweet little girl.”

“All the ambition in the world. She could do whatever she wanted. Didn’t really like strangers or anything like that so very close knitted and just very wise,” said Mastromarino.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/isabel-celis-6-year-old-girl-vanishes-from-tucson-arizona-home/


NANCY GRACE
Police Examine Security Camera Video in Isabel Celis Disappearance
Aired April 27, 2012 - 20:00   ET


GRACE:  With us, special guest Rick Moore, who had video cameras specifically trained on the Celis home. He describes seeing who he believes to be Isa`s father and uncle coming out of the home around 8:00 AM that morning, walking back and forth, apparently looking for Isa, we can surmise.

<snipped>

GRACE: ... is Isabel`s father and his brother, which would be Isabel`s uncle, walking around in front of the Celis home.

MOORE: Nancy, that`s conjecture on my part. I think that`s who it was. The police didn`t want us to speculate about who that

<snipped>

GRACE: Ellie, what time, do we know exactly, was the 911 call?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, exactly. It was 8:14. But police did say family did a quick search before they called

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/27/ng.01.html


The Cousin/Uncle

NANCY GRACE
Police Eye Male Cousin in Celis Disappearance
Aired May 2, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST:  A source now claims police looking closely at Isabel`s male cousin, who once lived in the home ...

<sniped>

GRACE:  Straight out to Paul Birmingham, KNST. Paul, what is the latest? And what can you tell me about this male cousin to Isa?

PAUL BIRMINGHAM, KNST (via telephone): Right. This is what we`re hearing from our sources here in Tucson, that police are scrutinizing this individual. He does have a criminal background, so he has had contact with police before. At this point, it is unclear exactly what sorts of questions they might be asking him or exactly what that scrutiny could consist of.

<snipped>

GRACE: Right now, out to the Celis family home. Standing by, our producer on the scene, Greg Overzat. Greg, what can you tell me about this male cousin?

GREG OVERZAT, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, about this cousin, it`s unclear why specifically he is being scrutinized by police, according to our source. He does have a criminal past. Now, that past only includes charges involving DUI, drug possession, those kind of things, nothing involving -- anything involving a child, sex assault, et cetera.

<snipped>

GRACE: We are live in Tucson. We learned tonight that police scrutinizing an adult male cousin, an adult male cousin that has referred to himself as Isabel`s uncle in the past.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/02/ng.01.html


Thank you Janet.  This is what I have been looking for.  I knew he was staying there...I just felt it.  If it is the same man that I am thinking of...he is actually from my area and has several arrests, tickets and so on down here.  I really don't want to post anything if he isn't involved or if it isn't important to the case.  I have read through his facebook page and he has traveled to Mexico in the past (so he does have ties there).  Wow...I am surprised that this information is just now coming out.  He also is a member of speed date, which may not be important and may be on some hispanic type dating sites too.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 11:28:30 AM
The Parents - The Silence

NANCY GRACE
Police Eye Male Cousin in Celis Disappearance
Aired May 2, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE: To Ellie Jostad, isn`t it true that extended relatives have wanted to come forward and lead the search, be out there, speak to the press, asking for help to find Isa, and the parents have told them no?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Right, Nancy. We`ve talked to relatives. Greg, on the ground there, has talked to relatives who say they do want to get out there. They know how important it is to keep this in the public eye, and that is by getting on camera, telling people that Isabel is still missing, asking for help. Family wants to talk but the parents are still keeping a lid on it.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/02/ng.01.html
 

Could it be that an extended family member made the decision not to "keep a lid on it".

Janet

++++


Source: Cops Eye Isabel's Cousin

A source close to the family claims that police are allegedly scrutinizing a male cousin of missing girl Isabel Celis. What does he know about 6-year-old Isabel’s disappearance from her own bed in the middle of the night?

 ::snipping2::

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/01/search-for-missing-2-year-old-last-seen-with-family-playing-on-beach/?hpt=ng_bn1



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 11:57:15 AM

Thank you Janet.  This is what I have been looking for.  I knew he was staying there...I just felt it.  If it is the same man that I am thinking of...he is actually from my area and has several arrests, tickets and so on down here.  I really don't want to post anything if he isn't involved or if it isn't important to the case.  I have read through his facebook page and he has traveled to Mexico in the past (so he does have ties there).  Wow...I am surprised that this information is just now coming out.  He also is a member of speed date, which may not be important and may be on some hispanic type dating sites too.

labubske

When the barking dogs are considered and ... when the 6" wall around the perimeter of the property is considered ... it makes sense that the disappearance of this little girl was no "stranger" abuduction.

Could it be the open window and the removed screen was staged to imply a "stranger" abduction?

I speculate that following an illegal act by a loved one that resulted in the demise of Isabel ... a cover up was taking place by family members at 6:30 AM when Alicia was waken by the "voices" and barking dogs.  I suspect that the uncle was involved in the cover up and the disappearing of Isabel.

IMO

Janet

+++++

NANCY GRACE
Tucson Police Search for Missing 6-Year-Old
Aired April 23, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE:  I want to go back to neighbor Cynthia Mort from Tucson joining us. She lives right there in the neighborhood with the Celis family. This home seems to be very much fortified. It looks to be a fence on all perimeters, Ms. Mort. Am I seeing the photos correctly?

MORT: Yes, there is. There`s a fence all the way around. In fact, it`s a patio wall. So there`s a wall all the way around that house.

GRACE: Yes, I`m seeing a large, it looks like stucco wall. It looks to be from here over five feet tall. And then on one side, I would say the back left side, there is a wooden wall about the same height. It`s solid. You can`t see through it. And I don`t see a gate. So whoever did this would have to scale this wall and get into the home.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/23/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 03, 2012, 12:41:23 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/05/03/isabel-celis-missing-breaking-news-investigation-focuses-on-celis-relative-uncle-justin-mastromarino-cousin-is-also-former-houseguest/

Isabel has been in Justin's jeep and he lived there last year.

(http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww116/BlinkOnCrime/Blink%20On%20Crime/For%20Posting/UncleJustinwithIsacorndog.jpg)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 03, 2012, 12:56:05 PM
If its been a while since 'Uncle' Justin lived in the home, then his fingerprints should not be prominent, correct?  If JM's fingerprints are on the doors, Isa's bedroom door, or even that window, then its no wonder LE is suspicious of him. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 12:58:36 PM
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Family of Isabel Celis Questioned
Aired May 2, 2012 - 19:00   ET


<snipped>

SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, "ISSUES" SENIOR PRODUCER: It was incredible. There has been no activity around the house for a few days, because you have to remember, the family has left the home. Isabel`s family is staying in a secret location, so they`re actually not living in this house behind me at the moment.

But today, the dad showed up with detectives, from a secret location; showed up, went inside looking very solemn, looking down with about six, seven detectives and went inside. Stayed there for about 45 minutes to an hour. Then he came out, didn`t say a word, got in the car, left.

Then about three minutes later, the mom came. The detectives showed up with the mom and took her inside the house and questioned her for about an hour. Then they left.

And then a short while later we thought it was all done with. Here come the detectives again with the son, with Isabel`s brother. And they take him inside and questioned him for about the same amount of time and take him away.

It was -- it`s very interesting, because you have to wonder why are they questioning these family members again? Why are they questioning them separately? Do they suspect something? Do they suspect a family member or are they really just questioning them to find out more details?

<snipped>

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Late-breaking news in the disappearance of little Isabel Celis. Just a little while ago, a flurry of activity at the home where she vanished.

First, the dad shows up with just a slew of detectives in tow. He rushes into the garage. About 45 minutes later, he walks out with a grocery bag and leaves with two detectives.

Three minutes later they bring in Isabel`s mother, alone. They take her inside the home. She leaves with detectives. We don`t know where they took her.

Finally, little Isabel`s older brother goes in the home. There he is, in a white T-shirt and a cap. A whole slew of detectives behind him. Family members were each questioned for about 45 minutes.

<snipped>

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Again, this is video that is just in a little while ago. It was shot, our producer standing right there in the front yard of the Celis home where this child vanished about 11 days ago.

There`s the mother being taken into the home by detectives. They did the same thing with the dad. They did the same thing with the older sibling, who looks like he could be maybe 12, 13 years old. I don`t have the exact age.

And then they leave with them, and we don`t know where they took this mom. And they`re not talking to the media. It`s unbelievable.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/02/ijvm.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 03, 2012, 12:59:44 PM
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/03/isabels-parents-police-wasting-time-on-us/?hpt=ng_mid

Isabel’s parents: Police “wasting time” on us

Quote
Becky said the level of scrutiny the parents have faced is “nothing we can’t handle,” and they believe police are doing everything they can to solve the case. However, Sergio said it can still be difficult because detectives are only able to share limited information with them and “they keep us at bay.”

Tucson police confirmed to HLN Thursday that both parents have taken polygraph tests, but they would not comment on the results.
 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 01:02:20 PM
Missing Tucson girl’s parents say they’re ‘desperate’
In first live TV interview, they call for prayers, express frustration with authorities
updated 5/3/2012 9:23:26 AM ET


Video/Transcript
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/47277508/ns/today-today_news/t/missing-tucson-girls-parents-say-theyre-desperate/



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 03, 2012, 01:06:25 PM
If its been a while since 'Uncle' Justin lived in the home, then his fingerprints should not be prominent, correct?  If JM's fingerprints are on the doors, Isa's bedroom door, or even that window, then its no wonder LE is suspicious of him. 

Well, he knocked on the neighbors door at 8 am, so I am of the opinion he was in the home that night.
B


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 03, 2012, 01:09:32 PM
If its been a while since 'Uncle' Justin lived in the home, then his fingerprints should not be prominent, correct?  If JM's fingerprints are on the doors, Isa's bedroom door, or even that window, then its no wonder LE is suspicious of him. 

Well, he knocked on the neighbors door at 8 am, so I am of the opinion he was in the home that night.
B

Exactly.  So, why lie about him being in the home?  Common sense tells you that LE will find out.  And wouldn't the neighbors and that security camera let LE know that he is still around?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on May 03, 2012, 01:18:31 PM

Parents of missing Tucson girl Isabel Celis ask nation to pray

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_central_southern_az/tucson/parents-of-missing-tucson-girl-isabel-celis-ask-nation-to-pray


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on May 03, 2012, 01:19:51 PM
NBC EXCLUSIVE: Celis parents make another plea in exclusive Today Show interview

http://www.kvoa.com/news/nbc-exclusive-celis-parents-make-another-plea-in-exclusive-today-show-interview/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 01:30:06 PM
It appears that neither Mom nor Dad tucked Isabel into bed which explains why the clothes she was last seen wearing were not her PJ's.

Janet

++++

NANCY GRACE
Police Eye Male Cousin in Celis Disappearance
Aired May 2, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

JANICE, CALLER FROM ARIZONA: Hi, Nancy. I have just been following the case and I wanted to know something I`m not sure if you`ve addressed this or not, why the parents decided to put Isabel in her bedroom that night when she normally sleeps in the brothers` bedroom and, also, I think they said that she was last seen wearing shorts and a tank top, and if the parents put her to bed wouldn`t they have put her in pajamas and wouldn`t the pajamas be the last thing she was seen wearing?

GRACE: You know, Janice in Arizona, those are some of the exact same questions I have asked.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/02/ng.01.html


Missing Tucson girl’s parents say they’re ‘desperate’
updated 5/3/2012 9:23:26 AM ET


TRANSCRIPT - SERGIO CELIS:

she had just gotten her hair done. it was just before she went to bed. she had a baseball game early the next morning. and becky braided her hair up. so she was going to be ready for early morning . and i was asking her if she was hungry. and she just had that little sleepy look as she was walking by. and she just said, "no, daddy. i'm tired." she was just walking by. she is so full of life, and she is just so wonderful. and we do miss her so much. and her brothers miss her so much. he said he loves her so much. we just need everyone out there, everyone, just to keep praying for her. keep your eyes out.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/47277508/ns/today-today_news/t/missing-tucson-girls-parents-say-theyre-desperate/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 03, 2012, 01:34:35 PM
Uncle Justin

http://www.pof.com/member14407231.htm
from his photos...titled "Me and my niece'
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/KittyMom5/Scared%20Monkeys/isabel1.jpg



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 01:36:23 PM
Isabel Celis

<snipped>

Isabel was last seen at home at approximately 11:30 p.m. on April 20, 2012. She has not been seen since.

Isabel is missing one top and one bottom tooth. She was last seen wearing a blue tank top and navy blue basketball shorts.

<snipped>

http://heidisearchcenter.com/nationwide-critical/isabel-celis/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 01:59:42 PM
Uncle Justin

http://www.pof.com/member14407231.htm
from his photos...titled "Me and my niece'
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/KittyMom5/Scared%20Monkeys/isabel1.jpg



Thanks KittyMom

Justin neglected to inform a potential mate about his criminal record.  My DIL's cousin recently met who appears to be "Mr. Right" through a dating site called "Christian Singles".  It could be that I am old fashion but I am very skeptical.

Uncle Justin?  I could be wrong but ... somehow I believe that this guy may have been summoned following a tragic happening sometime after the baseball game and ...  ultimately become a participant in a cover up  and... a participant in the disappearing of Isabel.

Janet

++++

NANCY GRACE
Police Eye Male Cousin in Celis Disappearance; Cops Turn Focus on Missing Child`s Male Cousin
Aired May 2, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

GREG OVERZAT, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, about this cousin, it`s unclear why specifically he is being scrutinized by police, according to our source. He does have a criminal past. Now, that past only includes charges involving DUI, drug possession, those kind of things, nothing involving -- anything involving a child, sex assault, et cetera.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/02/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 03, 2012, 02:28:12 PM
I saw the live interview this morning on the today show. 
Would like to see it again. 
Interview was prefaced by news reports and I saw a car driving into the Celis' garage. Wondering if that was the lawyer going there yesterday?

Father said he braided Isa's hair to get her ready for the soccer game the next morning.
I'm a bit confused about this.  Was she put to bed in her regular clothing yet had her hair braided before going to bed? - maybe another mokey who saw the interview could clear this up for me. tia


 

 

I didn't see the Today show...but, very good question can.  I would like for that to be cleared up too.

correction - Father said Becky braided Isabel's hair.  (just read the transcript - ty Janet)

so, do we know who put Isa to bed? 



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 03, 2012, 02:29:55 PM
Is this Justin dude the same one whose FB account was listed upstream?  Didn't that show a Florida address and Florida school? 

Just wondering if there is more than one.  Probably not, but still wonder if it is the same guy.   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 03, 2012, 02:41:47 PM
If its been a while since 'Uncle' Justin lived in the home, then his fingerprints should not be prominent, correct?  If JM's fingerprints are on the doors, Isa's bedroom door, or even that window, then its no wonder LE is suspicious of him. 

Well, he knocked on the neighbors door at 8 am, so I am of the opinion he was in the home that night.
B

Exactly.  So, why lie about him being in the home?  Common sense tells you that LE will find out.  And wouldn't the neighbors and that security camera let LE know that he is still around?

Did he lie?  If he did I missed it, I know I heard LE respond to a question regarding who besides the family was in the home that evening and they declined to answer.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 03, 2012, 02:45:55 PM
I saw the live interview this morning on the today show. 
Would like to see it again. 
Interview was prefaced by news reports and I saw a car driving into the Celis' garage. Wondering if that was the lawyer going there yesterday?

Father said he braided Isa's hair to get her ready for the soccer game the next morning.
I'm a bit confused about this.  Was she put to bed in her regular clothing yet had her hair braided before going to bed? - maybe another mokey who saw the interview could clear this up for me. tia


I like Anne Curry, but the softball questions need to be researched already, that is a pivotal "need to know".  Yesterday Pacheo answered this, and said it was his understanding Dad put her to bed.  Today we hear Dad say she was tired, was not hungry when asked, and then she was walking around.  At now time does he say he tucked her in,  or anything of the sort.

I have to believe that he is not doing that because it is possible Isa went off to her room or whatever, or he was under that impression, and that is the disjoint in the story.

While I maintain that their sincerity was there for me this morning,  I still suggest that they know who is responsible, or are in denial of it.
 

 

I didn't see the Today show...but, very good question can.  I would like for that to be cleared up too.

correction - Father said Becky braided Isabel's hair.  (just read the transcript - ty Janet)

so, do we know who put Isa to bed? 




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 03, 2012, 02:46:17 PM
If its been a while since 'Uncle' Justin lived in the home, then his fingerprints should not be prominent, correct?  If JM's fingerprints are on the doors, Isa's bedroom door, or even that window, then its no wonder LE is suspicious of him. 

Well, he knocked on the neighbors door at 8 am, so I am of the opinion he was in the home that night.
B

Exactly.  So, why lie about him being in the home?  Common sense tells you that LE will find out.  And wouldn't the neighbors and that security camera let LE know that he is still around?

Did he lie?  If he did I missed it, I know I heard LE respond to a question regarding who besides the family was in the home that evening and they declined to answer.
You are correct.  There was no lie.  There just hasn't been any clarifying info on specifics of the night.  I'm wondering why.  Why not be forthcoming in telling about the evening?  If there is nothing to hide, why not say who was in the home, what time each person retired for the evening, who awoke first, who was the first to notice something amiss.  Why all the secrecy?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 03, 2012, 02:46:37 PM
aah, sorry all, I did the quote eating and impregnating thing.  My bad.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 03, 2012, 02:49:43 PM
If its been a while since 'Uncle' Justin lived in the home, then his fingerprints should not be prominent, correct?  If JM's fingerprints are on the doors, Isa's bedroom door, or even that window, then its no wonder LE is suspicious of him. 

Well, he knocked on the neighbors door at 8 am, so I am of the opinion he was in the home that night.
B

Exactly.  So, why lie about him being in the home?  Common sense tells you that LE will find out.  And wouldn't the neighbors and that security camera let LE know that he is still around?

Did he lie?  If he did I missed it, I know I heard LE respond to a question regarding who besides the family was in the home that evening and they declined to answer.
You are correct.  There was no lie.  There just hasn't been any clarifying info on specifics of the night.  I'm wondering why.  Why not be forthcoming in telling about the evening?  If there is nothing to hide, why not say who was in the home, what time each person retired for the evening, who awoke first, who was the first to notice something amiss.  Why all the secrecy?

Because there is no doubt they believe someone in that home knows what happened, and that she was not yanked out of her window, which still sits there with the evidence tape, btw,

No. 1 question- is there a duffel or suitcase or rubbermaid missing from the home,  or from Mr. Mastromarino's person?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 03, 2012, 02:53:54 PM
If its been a while since 'Uncle' Justin lived in the home, then his fingerprints should not be prominent, correct?  If JM's fingerprints are on the doors, Isa's bedroom door, or even that window, then its no wonder LE is suspicious of him. 

Well, he knocked on the neighbors door at 8 am, so I am of the opinion he was in the home that night.
B

Exactly.  So, why lie about him being in the home?  Common sense tells you that LE will find out.  And wouldn't the neighbors and that security camera let LE know that he is still around?

Did he lie?  If he did I missed it, I know I heard LE respond to a question regarding who besides the family was in the home that evening and they declined to answer.
You are correct.  There was no lie.  There just hasn't been any clarifying info on specifics of the night.  I'm wondering why.  Why not be forthcoming in telling about the evening?  If there is nothing to hide, why not say who was in the home, what time each person retired for the evening, who awoke first, who was the first to notice something amiss.  Why all the secrecy?

Because there is no doubt they believe someone in that home knows what happened, and that she was not yanked out of her window, which still sits there with the evidence tape, btw,

No. 1 question- is there a duffel or suitcase or rubbermaid missing from the home,  or from Mr. Mastromarino's person?

How about a ball bag?  My son's is large enough to carry his catching equipment and is on wheels.  A 6 yr old could easily fit into it.  And who would think anything if it was seen being carried to a car by a family that is so active in sports?

I can understand LE not telling details, but why not the family?  Unless there is something to hide?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 03, 2012, 03:00:20 PM
http://www.sportsunlimitedinc.com/nike-fuse-roller-baseball-equipment-bag.html?CID=GoogleShopping&Color=Black

This is what my son has.  It carries his batting helmet, 2 bats, his glove, his catchers helmet, his catchers mit, his catchers body pads, his calf pads, balls, and still has a little room for more.  Thankfully it has wheels or we'd never make it from the car to the dugout.

(http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/sportsunlimited_2206_876258364)



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 04:19:54 PM
You are correct.  There was no lie.  There just hasn't been any clarifying info on specifics of the night.  I'm wondering why.  Why not be forthcoming in telling about the evening?  If there is nothing to hide, why not say who was in the home, what time each person retired for the evening, who awoke first, who was the first to notice something amiss.  Why all the secrecy?

 ::rhino::

No timeline.

The only insight I gleaned from the transcript of that staged/taped interview was that Sergio placed himself/his wife/his daughter together in the home prior to Isabel walking off to her bedroom on her own at 11:30 PM on the evening of April 20th.  In other words ... it appears NOBODY tucked Isabel into bed.  This explains why the missing person's report states that Isabel was last seen in a tank top and shorts and ... not PJ's.

The parents were not asked ANYTHING about the whereabouts of Isabel's brothers at 11:30 PM.  Were they still awake?  Why did Isabel not sleep with them as usual?  So many simple questions that would reveal a timeline were not asked ... simple questions that inquiring minds wanted to know.

The major network interview that revealed nothing to viewers was obviously controlled by the parents.  How much was Sergio and Becky paid by NBC nevertheless.

Could it be that the parents have the answers to the questions regarding ALL the happenings encompassing the disappearance of their beloved daughter?  Could it be that out a misguide sense of love a family member is being protected from the legal consequences of wrongdoing?

Janet

+++++

The Taped Interview

NANCY GRACE
Police Eye Male Cousin in Celis Disappearance; Cops Turn Focus on Missing Child`s Male Cousin
Aired May 2, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

GRACE:  You know what, doing a taped interview is a far, far cry from live. All right. Explain, Jean Casarez. You`ve done plenty of both.

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": It`s called editing. Things can be edited out. Things can be -- we`re not going to talk about this. Now a journalist should still be able to answer -- ask the question, and if they refuse to answer it, that should be on the tape, but you never know what conditions will be asserted and what allowances will be made so that questions won`t be asked that they don`t want asked.

GRACE: Alexis, explain the difference between a taped interview and a live interview.

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: Well, in a live interview, you can`t go back and change what you say. I`ve had this happen sometimes somebody gives an emotion that they think that I feel as a reporter is a wonderful emotion to make. Oh, no, I don`t want anybody to know that. So you can change anything. You can take three, four, five takes to get something out. You can have people with you that are coaching you what to say.

When it`s a taped interview, you can make sure it`s exactly what you want. There`s never the level of surprise or the raw emotion that you`re going to get from a live interview. It`s very staged.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/02/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 03, 2012, 04:51:08 PM
Have there been any pictures of the inside of Isa's room yet?  I would like to compare them to some pictures of a guy posing in a child's room on one of the Hispanic dating sites.  Winnie the Pooh posters on the wall and such. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 03, 2012, 04:56:49 PM
I just don't understand all the ambiguity in this case.  Who put the kid to bed?  My husband and I are in our 60's and I can still tell you which one of us put our granddaughter to bed the night before. 

This cloud of confusion seems to be a specific tactic of the parents to keep from being trapped by the truth or lack of it.  I also believe that someone up the familial tree is calling the shots in keeping the investigation under wraps for as long as possible.  They seem to try to be getting a story line together that will protect someone within the flock.  But why? ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 06:04:08 PM
I just don't understand all the ambiguity in this case.  Who put the kid to bed?  My husband and I are in our 60's and I can still tell you which one of us put our granddaughter to bed the night before. 

This cloud of confusion seems to be a specific tactic of the parents to keep from being trapped by the truth or lack of it.  I also believe that someone up the familial tree is calling the shots in keeping the investigation under wraps for as long as possible.  They seem to try to be getting a story line together that will protect someone within the flock.  But why? ::CowboySmiley::

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 06:50:26 PM
Parents - Polygraphs

PD: Parents of Isabel Celis took polygraph test
Posted: May 03, 2012 3:12 PM PDT
Updated: May 03, 2012 3:16 PM PDT


TUCSON, AZ (CBS5) - The parents of Isabel Celis took a polygraph test early in the investigation of the missing 6-year-old girl, Tucson police said Thursday.

The results of Sergio and Becky Celis' tests will not be shared, Sgt. Maria Hawke of the Tucson Police Department said at a news briefing.

<snipped>

http://www.kpho.com/story/18120208/pd-parents-of-isabel-celis-took-polygraph-test


Missing Tucson girl’s parents say they’re ‘desperate’
updated 5/3/2012 9:23:26 AM ET


<snipped>

Police chief Roberyo Villasenor of the Tucson police department said both parents have taken polygraph tests. “We look at everyone to include the family. It’s not that we are saying the family’s responsible, but we’re not saying the family’s completely clear. Everyone is a suspect until we find out otherwise.”

<snipped>

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/47277508/ns/today-today_news/t/missing-tucson-girls-parents-say-theyre-desperate/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 07:07:51 PM
JVM - HLN

Isabel Celis discussion.  Uncle - guest.

Right now!!!

Janet
4:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 03, 2012, 07:29:31 PM
JVM - HLN

Isabel Celis discussion.  Uncle - guest.

Right now!!!

Janet
4:00 PM PT

Hi all~

Anyone have a link for a live stream?

TIA! ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 08:08:50 PM
Nancy Grace - HLN

Isabel Celis discussion

Right now!!!

Janet
5:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 09:35:46 PM

Think about it.

1.  There were six foor cement and wooden walls around the parimeter of the entire yard which enter was only possible from within the home.  Not only would an abductor be required to scale the wall to gain entry to the property ... he would be required to scale that same wall with a six year old little girl to make his escape.

2.  There was a security camera installed in plain sight on the roof of the Celis residence on the side where Isabel's room was located.  An abductor would have no clue that the security camera was disabled.

3.  There were vehicles parked in the driveway implying Isabel's family was inside the home.

4.  There were three barking residence dogs ... three barking residence dogs that could have alerted a member of Isabel's family.


Logic dictates that the disappearance of Isabel was not a stranger abduction and ... the open window and removed screen was a staging to imply otherwise.


++++++


Apr 22, 2012 10:45am
Open Window Shows Missing Tucson Girl Was Abducted, Parents Say


<snipped>

Celis’ family has no doubt she was kidnapped by a stranger.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/isabel-celis-6-year-old-girl-vanishes-from-tucson-arizona-home/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 10:02:29 PM
I am still convinced that the Moore surveillance footage will be the smoking gun ... the smoking gun that will reveal the truth in regards to the activity that took place between the family's arrival home from the ball game on the evening of April 20th and 8:14 AM on the morning of April 21st when the 911 call was placed.  In other words ... the timeframe that Ann Curry failed to broach upon in this morning's controlled NBA Today interview.

Could it be that Isabel's parents are aware of the Moore surveillance footage and ... depending on what was captured on video .... they realize that any words spoken regarding the crucial timeframe may come back to haunt them.

Janet

+++++

Tucson Police confirmed today that the parents took polygraph tests early in the investigation.

Sgt. Maria Hawke said at a press conference, "It is accurate that the parents have done polygraph tests," but those results will not be shared.

<snipped>

TPD says they are not able to release any additional surveillance video at this time.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18115892/tpd-parents-have-taken-polygraph-test


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 10:17:44 PM
RAW: Tucson Police's 2 p.m. update on day 13 of Celis investigation
Posted 2:24 PM 5/3/2012


TUCSON - On day 13 of the investigation, 40 to 50 Tucson Police officers and detectives are still assigned to the disappearance of 6-year-old Isabel Celis.

She began the conference with a clarification about what yesterday's activity at the Celis house was about.

"As you all know, the family has been allowed to return to the house," Hawke said. "They can come and go as they please. It's my understanding that they are not staying there yet. That may come in the future. I simply don't know, ultimately that will be their decision. They were happy to cooperate with investigators as they have been all along - to help us get that better understanding, that was what yesterday was all about."

"The budget is not a concern, really, the key concern is getting Isabel home safely," Tucson Police spokesperson Sgt. Maria Hawke told the media during the department's 2 p.m. daily news conference.

Sgt. Hawke confirmed that both Sergio Celis and Rebecca Celis have taken polygraph tests, but TPD is not releasing the results, as the investigation is still ongoing at this time.

<snipped>

Video:
http://www.kvoa.com/videos/raw-tucson-police-s-2-p-m-update-on-day-13-of-celis-investigation/




http://www.kvoa.com/videos/raw-tucson-police-s-2-p-m-update-on-day-13-of-celis-investigation/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 10:33:50 PM
(http://media2.abc15.com//photo/2012/04/21/Isabel_Mercedes_Celis_20120421150151_320_240.JPG)

(http://media2.abc15.com//photo/2010/05/16/ap_logo_20100516130557_60_45.JPG)



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 03, 2012, 10:45:44 PM

Think about it.

1.  There were six foor cement and wooden walls around the parimeter of the entire yard which enter was only possible from within the home.  Not only would an abductor be required to scale the wall to gain entry to the property ... he would be required to scale that same wall with a six year old little girl to make his escape.

2.  There was a security camera installed in plain sight on the roof of the Celis residence on the side where Isabel's room was located.  An abductor would have no clue that the security camera was disabled.

3.  There were vehicles parked in the driveway implying Isabel's family was inside the home.

4.  There were three barking residence dogs ... three barking residence dogs that could have alerted a member of Isabel's family.


Logic dictates that the disappearance of Isabel was not a stranger abduction and ... the open window and removed screen was a staging to imply otherwise.


++++++


Apr 22, 2012 10:45am
Open Window Shows Missing Tucson Girl Was Abducted, Parents Say


<snipped>

Celis’ family has no doubt she was kidnapped by a stranger.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/isabel-celis-6-year-old-girl-vanishes-from-tucson-arizona-home/


All very logical points, Tamikosmom!



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 03, 2012, 11:15:39 PM
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/03/isabel-celis-uncle-speaks-out

Isabel Celis' uncle: 'It's just a nightmare'

Quote
Louis Rodriguez, the uncle to a missing Tucson girl, speaks out to Jane Velez-Mitchell
He says Isabel's disappearance is like a nightmare, and something 'you think could never happen to you'

 Video at link.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 11:18:01 PM
JVM - HLN

Isabel Celis discussion.  Uncle - guest.

Right now!!!

Janet
4:00 PM PT

Hi all~

Anyone have a link for a live stream?

TIA! ::HelloKitty::

Monkey King

I do not have a clue in regards to live feed or videos but transcripts of the Nancy Grace and the JVM shows are posted at approxmately 10:00 PM each evening.

Janet

+++++

Nancy Grace - Transcripts
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html

Jane Velez Mitchell - Transcripts
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ijvm.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: BabsKats on May 03, 2012, 11:18:16 PM
I have a question that I haven't seen mentioned, has it been stated that the exit doors to the house have dead bolts on them?  If so were they locked? 

 Couldn't it be possible that the perp did enter through Isa's window and carried her out through the front door? 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 03, 2012, 11:23:03 PM
I have a question that I haven't seen mentioned, has it been stated that the exit doors to the house have dead bolts on them?  If so were they locked? 

 Couldn't it be possible that the perp did enter through Isa's window and carried her out through the front door? 

With three barking residence dogs?  I don't think so.  I could be wrong.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: 4 Donks on May 03, 2012, 11:38:11 PM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/150103215.html

Community reacts to Celis interview; they want more

 ::snipping2::

The community will get another chance to hear more about Isabel Celis' story.  Becky and Sergio Celis have scheduled an interview Friday with all of the local news stations


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 03, 2012, 11:52:49 PM
http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2012/05/becky-and-sergio-celis-on-today-show.html

Quote
When I first look at Becky and Sergio, I immediately notice their demeanor. It stands out to me.  They are both extremely somber and hopeless looking.  There is no urgency in them whatsoever to find their daughter.  Why?  Why have they given up?  It seems they have been this way from day one.

Interesting read.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on May 04, 2012, 09:39:16 AM

Please say a prayer and light a candle for Isabel...


::MonkeyAngel:: http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Isa%20C 

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on May 04, 2012, 09:42:41 AM

Please say a prayer and light a candle for Isabel...


::MonkeyAngel:: http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Isa%20C 

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I lit a candle for her..thank you for providing the link


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on May 04, 2012, 09:48:10 AM

Please say a prayer and light a candle for Isabel...


::MonkeyAngel:: http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Isa%20C 

 ::MonkeyAngel::


I lit a candle for her..thank you for providing the link
You're very welcome Cookie  ::MonkeyKiss2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 04, 2012, 09:51:04 AM
Did the parents do another interview this morning?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: sunshine12 on May 04, 2012, 09:57:08 AM
i have a feeling that the parents did not "pass" the polygraph test and the results may have shown deception because they both are 99.9% sure that Justin has something to do with her disappearance but maybe didn't want to say it.  so when it came to the question about whether or not they knew what happened, they prob both showed deception...jmo


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2012, 11:03:34 AM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/150103215.html

Community reacts to Celis interview; they want more

 ::snipping2::

The community will get another chance to hear more about Isabel Celis' story.  Becky and Sergio Celis have scheduled an interview Friday with all of the local news stations

Thanks 4 Donks

Does anyone know the time?

Janet






Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 04, 2012, 11:27:14 AM
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/03/isabel-celis-uncle-speaks-out

This is an interview of Robert Rodriguez, Rebecca Celis Uncle.

JVM asked him about an "uncle" visiting the neighbor the morning of the disappearance, looking for Isabel.

His response.. "Um, no, I do not know anything about that."

I know that the wording of many news outlets and interviews made it sound like the cousin Mastromarino and the LEO showed up at the same time to Ms. Sturdevant, but I maintain that Justin showed up first, and then LE.

 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 04, 2012, 11:36:06 AM
http://www.sportsunlimitedinc.com/nike-fuse-roller-baseball-equipment-bag.html?CID=GoogleShopping&Color=Black

This is what my son has.  It carries his batting helmet, 2 bats, his glove, his catchers helmet, his catchers mit, his catchers body pads, his calf pads, balls, and still has a little room for more.  Thankfully it has wheels or we'd never make it from the car to the dugout.

(http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/sportsunlimited_2206_876258364)



Yes kitty mom, my nephew has the same bag, except he is a pitcher so it may be lighter, lol, but anything like that and around that size I would be very interested in knowing if one is missing or unaccounted for by an person that was in the home.

It Justin was in the home, and I cannot come up with another scenario that puts him there at 8am, prior to the 911 call, it is noteworthy that he was not brought to the home like Rebecca, Sergio, and Sergio Jr for a re-enactment.

I think Janet is also correct that the Moore cameras are going to indicate a presence at the Celis home, and perhaps an early morning departure of a houseguest.   I continue to be baffled not one interview has asked these people what Becky's shift was that day, and what Sergio does for a living.. sheesh.   


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2012, 11:47:31 AM

Uncle Louis Rodriguez

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Missing Girl`s Parents Decide to Speak
Aired May 3, 2012 - 19:00   ET


<snipped>

VELEZ-MITCHELL: One of the neighbors said -- the immediate next-door neighbor said that an uncle had knocked on her door and said, "We`re looking for a child." Were you the one going around and knocking on the doors?

RODRIGUEZ: No. And I do not know anything of that, and so I wouldn`t be able to tell you.

<snipped>

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It must be difficult to explain to kids that age what`s going on.

Now I understand the parents took polygraphs. Did they pass? What about that? Did they tell you anything about that experience, because we just heard that just today from the police.

RODRIGUEZ: At the moment I`m not aware of any -- any polygraphs that they`ve taken or  anything like that. I`m not liable to say at this moment.

<snipped>

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Let me just ask this question about the dogs, because the neighbor said she was woken up at 6:30 in the morning. Her dog barked, and then she heard the Celises` dogs bark. And she heard men`s voices and that was right around the time, just a couple of hours before, maybe an hour and a half before the child was discovered missing.

Did the dogs -- did you hear anything from your sister about the dogs barking that day? I understand the way the layout of the house is -- I`ve seen a floor map -- it might have been hard for them to hear if the dogs were barking on the other side of the house. Any thoughts on that at all?

RODRIGUEZ: Once again, I mean, these questions are mainly for the investigators. We are at this moment we cannot with answer any type of those type of questions. If a neighbor saw that or heard, that`s their perception of what happened. And at this time, we cannot discuss anything more.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/03/ijvm.01.html
 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2012, 12:26:03 PM
i have a feeling that the parents did not "pass" the polygraph test and the results may have shown deception because they both are 99.9% sure that Justin has something to do with her disappearance but maybe didn't want to say it.  so when it came to the question about whether or not they knew what happened, they prob both showed deception...jmo

sunshine

I could be wrong but somehow I do not believe that either Sergio or Becky would be protecting Justin if they were suspicious that he had anything to do with the harming of their daughter.  Finding Isabel would be their mission even if it meant throwing Justin under the bus.

However ... one parent protecting the other or both parents protecting an immediate family member is a different story.

Could it be that Justin was summoned to the Celis residence after Isabel met an unintentional demise through an illegal/impulsive act of wrongdoing sometime following the ball game.  In other words ... the Uncle/Cousin became a participant in the disappearing of Isabel (Mexico/Family).  Upon returning to the Celis home after completing that task he became a participant in a 6:30 AM staging (open window/removed screen) ... a staging that would imply an abduction.

I am convinced that the Moore surveillance footage is the smoking gun that will reveal the truth through the activity which took place on the night when Isabel went missing.

Janet   


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on May 04, 2012, 12:36:20 PM
that vid cam,you are talking about,that was on the roof of celis home,and disabled,is
disabled,as in unplugged,turned off or broken? im pretty sure if it was a wirless cam
it has an IC chip,that holds read only memory,and IDK if the ROM is retreviable,and
it prob wasnt hooked to a puter,or digital recorder,media would have reported that
the house is like a scaled down adobe fort,all it needs is a moat LOL
i think i missed the link to the house cam story


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2012, 12:49:22 PM
The Moore Security Footage

NANCY GRACE
Police Examine Security Camera Video in Isabel Celis Disappearance
Aired April 27, 2012 - 20:00   ET


GRACE: A special guest joining us. It is Rick Moore, the owner of Moore Security Services. His business has surveillance cameras pointing directly at the Celis family home.

<snipped>

GRACE: So a lot of people are wondering why would you have cameras trained on the Celis family home. Explain.

MOORE: You know, Nancy -- Nancy, that was almost a coincidence. Really, our thought process when we set the cameras up was to protect the back of our facility. Our showroom is literally about 25 yards from where we`re standing right now.

<snipped>

MOORE: Well, there`s an alley, Nancy, right behind us. It`s about 25 yards right behind us. That`s, again, about 25 yards from the front door of Isabel`s home. And it runs right behind our showroom, and that`s where our cameras are trained on.

GRACE: What kind of activity?

MOORE: Again, it was just people wandering through alley, vehicles coming up and down through the alley and vehicles walking -- coming out of the alley that`s right here in front of Isabel. Now, what makes and models and tags were, that`s in the police`s hands now, Nancy.

<snipped>

GRACE: So what you observed, Rick, that morning around 8:00 AM, approximately 8:00 AM .... is Isabel`s father and his brother, which would be Isabel`s uncle, walking around in front of the Celis home.

MOORE: Nancy, that`s conjecture on my part. I think that`s who it was. The police didn`t want us to speculate about who that was

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/27/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2012, 12:57:32 PM
that vid cam,you are talking about,that was on the roof of celis home,and disabled,is
disabled,as in unplugged,turned off or broken? im pretty sure if it was a wirless cam
it has an IC chip,that holds read only memory,and IDK if the ROM is retreviable,and
it prob wasnt hooked to a puter,or digital recorder,media would have reported that
the house is like a scaled down adobe fort,all it needs is a moat LOL
i think i missed the link to the house cam story


The Celis Surveillance Camera

NANCY GRACE
Celis Parents Take Lie Detector Test
Aired May 3, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

GREG OVERZAT, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER:  Yhere is this security camera directly above the back porch of the home. Now, if you`ll notice, it`s actually facing towards the sky. We believe that had it actually been fully functioning -- we heard reportedly that it was not functioning -- and police have looked at it and there was nothing on it because it is allegedly broken -- it would be pointing down into this back yard.

So the question of, you know, when that camera was broken, the last time it was operable, we still don`t know. But it`s interesting that that is there and pointing toward the sky.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/03/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2012, 01:11:32 PM
The Moore Security Footage

NANCY GRACE
Police Examine Security Camera Video in Isabel Celis Disappearance
Aired April 27, 2012 - 20:00   ET


GRACE: A special guest joining us. It is Rick Moore, the owner of Moore Security Services. His business has surveillance cameras pointing directly at the Celis family home.

<snipped>

GRACE: So a lot of people are wondering why would you have cameras trained on the Celis family home. Explain.

MOORE: You know, Nancy -- Nancy, that was almost a coincidence. Really, our thought process when we set the cameras up was to protect the back of our facility. Our showroom is literally about 25 yards from where we`re standing right now.

<snipped>

MOORE: Well, there`s an alley, Nancy, right behind us. It`s about 25 yards right behind us. That`s, again, about 25 yards from the front door of Isabel`s home. And it runs right behind our showroom, and that`s where our cameras are trained on.

GRACE: What kind of activity?

MOORE: Again, it was just people wandering through alley, vehicles coming up and down through the alley and vehicles walking -- coming out of the alley that`s right here in front of Isabel. Now, what makes and models and tags were, that`s in the police`s hands now, Nancy.

<snipped>

GRACE: So what you observed, Rick, that morning around 8:00 AM, approximately 8:00 AM .... is Isabel`s father and his brother, which would be Isabel`s uncle, walking around in front of the Celis home.

MOORE: Nancy, that`s conjecture on my part. I think that`s who it was. The police didn`t want us to speculate about who that was

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/27/ng.01.html



Uncle: Isabel's parents glad they went on TV
Posted: May 03, 2012 2:11 PM PDT
Updated: May 03, 2012 4:20 PM PDT


Tucson Police confirmed today that the parents took polygraph tests early in the investigation.

Sgt. Maria Hawke said at a press conference, "It is accurate that the parents have done polygraph tests," but those results will not be shared.

<snipped>

TPD says they are not able to release any additional surveillance video at this time.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18115892/tpd-parents-have-taken-polygraph-test


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 04, 2012, 01:23:43 PM
http://www.sportsunlimitedinc.com/nike-fuse-roller-baseball-equipment-bag.html?CID=GoogleShopping&Color=Black

This is what my son has.  It carries his batting helmet, 2 bats, his glove, his catchers helmet, his catchers mit, his catchers body pads, his calf pads, balls, and still has a little room for more.  Thankfully it has wheels or we'd never make it from the car to the dugout.

[img]http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/sportsunlimited_2206_876258364



Yes kitty mom, my nephew has the same bag, except he is a pitcher so it may be lighter, lol, but anything like that and around that size I would be very interested in knowing if one is missing or unaccounted for by an person that was in the home.

It Justin was in the home, and I cannot come up with another scenario that puts him there at 8am, prior to the 911 call, it is noteworthy that he was not brought to the home like Rebecca, Sergio, and Sergio Jr for a re-enactment.

I think Janet is also correct that the Moore cameras are going to indicate a presence at the Celis home, and perhaps an early morning departure of a houseguest.   I continue to be baffled not one interview has asked these people what Becky's shift was that day, and what Sergio does for a living.. sheesh.   
If JM was seen on the security cam wouldn't LE be leaning on him hard?  Interesting that they only brought the older son back to the home. 

I was wondering if maybe the atty is setting up these interviews and has told interviewer questions to avoid?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 04, 2012, 01:26:55 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/celis-family-to-speak-to-local-news-media-at-11-a-m-/
Celis Family to speak to local news media at 11 a.m.

http://www.kvoa.com/livestream/



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 04, 2012, 01:32:01 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#!prettyPhoto/0/

You can see a clinical psychologist give his opinion about the interview here.

It's a video.  Very interesting comments by this guy.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2012, 01:53:24 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/celis-family-to-speak-to-local-news-media-at-11-a-m-/
Celis Family to speak to local news media at 11 a.m.

http://www.kvoa.com/livestream/



Thanks KittyMom

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: sunshine12 on May 04, 2012, 02:11:04 PM
i have a feeling that the parents did not "pass" the polygraph test and the results may have shown deception because they both are 99.9% sure that Justin has something to do with her disappearance but maybe didn't want to say it.  so when it came to the question about whether or not they knew what happened, they prob both showed deception...jmo

sunshine

I could be wrong but somehow I do not believe that either Sergio or Becky would be protecting Justin if they were suspicious that he had anything to do with the harming of their daughter.  Finding Isabel would be their mission even if it meant throwing Justin under the bus.

However ... one parent protecting the other or both parents protecting an immediate family member is a different story.

Could it be that Justin was summoned to the Celis residence after Isabel met an unintentional demise through an illegal/impulsive act of wrongdoing sometime following the ball game.  In other words ... the Uncle/Cousin became a participant in the disappearing of Isabel (Mexico/Family).  Upon returning to the Celis home after completing that task he became a participant in a 6:30 AM staging (open window/removed screen) ... a staging that would imply an abduction.

I am convinced that the Moore surveillance footage is the smoking gun that will reveal the truth through the activity which took place on the night when Isabel went missing.

Janet   


i agree, i don't think they would protect him either, i meant more along the lines of subconciously they both had an inkling he could be involved


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 04, 2012, 02:47:06 PM
Interesting.  Reporter asked parents about timeline and a party that was held at the home on Friday night.  Parents said that there was no party.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 04, 2012, 02:48:48 PM
Reporter asked if Sergio was biological father of Isabel.  He answered 'absolutely'.  Now why would reporter ask that?  hmmmm


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 04, 2012, 02:55:50 PM
I'm getting a HINKY feeling with these two.



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2012, 02:59:34 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/celis-family-to-speak-to-local-news-media-at-11-a-m-/
Celis Family to speak to local news media at 11 a.m.

http://www.kvoa.com/livestream/



 ::crymonkey2::

I am truly humbled.  This interview was powerful ... insightful.

Monkeys ... this interview causes me to re-evalute all my suspicions that these parents are involved in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of their daughter.

Answers to some questions inquiring minds were asking ...

1.  No attorney has entered the scenario.
2.  Not convinced that window was a point of entry.
3.  Only immediate family was in the home that night.
4.  Sergio - a dental "surgical" assistance.
5.  No compensation from NBC Today interview.
6.  Not personally accepting any funds from donations.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2012, 03:01:42 PM
SELF-EDIT - MY LAST POST

Monkeys ... this interview causes me to re-evalute all my suspicions that these parents are involved in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of their daughter.

s/b

Monkeys ... this interview causes me to re-evalute all my suspicions that these parents have knowledge and/or are involved in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of their daughter.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2012, 03:05:53 PM
Hi Sunshine

 ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 04, 2012, 03:07:59 PM
SELF-EDIT - MY LAST POST

Monkeys ... this interview causes me to re-evalute all my suspicions that these parents are involved in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of their daughter.

s/b

Monkeys ... this interview causes me to re-evalute all my suspicions that these parents have knowledge and/or are involved in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of their daughter.

I got just the opposite from it.  In fact, it took me back to the early days on Hopespring Dr.  These two didn't seem like two people desperate to find their missing daughter.  They were too comfortable.  They spoke like they're ready to get on with their lives.  Even talking about taking the boys out for ball practice.  Who could be thinking about ball at a time like this? 

I can't wait for Blink's reaction.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2012, 03:36:30 PM
When it is considered that Isabel's parents must be aware of the Moore surviellance camera that was directed at their home ... the surviellance camera that according to Rick Moore captured all activity ... all the comings and goings ... that night/morning ... it boggles my mind that these two could look into a camera for an hour long interview and outright lie in regards to no idea ... no knowledge ... no involvement.  I could be wrong but ... this wannabe detective who sees conspiracies when there is none ... will afford Sergio and Becky the benefit of the doubt that they are being truthful unless something surfaces which implies other wise.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2012, 03:46:37 PM
Latest Update RAW: Celis parents talk to local news media
12:14 PM


TUCSON - In this extended interview with the local news media, Rebecca and Sergio Celis discuss, in-depth, the disappearance of their 6-year-old daughter, including the investigation, how their lives have changed, what their plans for the future are, and how much they miss their daughter.

Video
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: 4 Donks on May 04, 2012, 05:40:07 PM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/150175035.html

 ::snipping2::
The press conference took place at a Tucson hotel under tightly controlled conditions.  Only one camera was allowed, and only one reporter from KOLD, KVOA and KGUN9 were allowed to enter the room and ask questions.  The Celis family selected the reporters.  For KGUN9 News, anchor Guy Atchley received the invitation and represented 9 On Your Side.  The three TV journalists  alternated asking questions.

The family also allowed a reporter and photographer from the Arizona Daily Star to be in the room and witness the press conference, but did not allow them to ask questions.  Instead, the family gave them a separate interview opportunity following the live press conference.

At one point during the live event, a Phoenix-based reporter walked into the room and asked a question, one that had already been asked.   Immediately afterwards, a Tucson police officer escorted that reporter from the room. 

Because of security concerns and concerns for the privacy of Rebecca and Sergio Celis, KGUN9 News has agreed to withhold the location where the press conference took place.  KGUN9 News has confirmed, however, that NBC News has been paying for the Celis family to stay at the hotel.   During the press conference, the Celis's denied that they were directly compensated for Thursday's exclusive appearance on The Today Show or for the exclusive video of Isabel that they provided to NBC.  The family released that same video to Tucson media later Thursday.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 04, 2012, 07:08:40 PM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/150175035.html

 ::snipping2::
The press conference took place at a Tucson hotel under tightly controlled conditions.  Only one camera was allowed, and only one reporter from KOLD, KVOA and KGUN9 were allowed to enter the room and ask questions.  The Celis family selected the reporters.  For KGUN9 News, anchor Guy Atchley received the invitation and represented 9 On Your Side.  The three TV journalists  alternated asking questions.

The family also allowed a reporter and photographer from the Arizona Daily Star to be in the room and witness the press conference, but did not allow them to ask questions.  Instead, the family gave them a separate interview opportunity following the live press conference.

At one point during the live event, a Phoenix-based reporter walked into the room and asked a question, one that had already been asked.   Immediately afterwards, a Tucson police officer escorted that reporter from the room. 

Because of security concerns and concerns for the privacy of Rebecca and Sergio Celis, KGUN9 News has agreed to withhold the location where the press conference took place.  KGUN9 News has confirmed, however, that NBC News has been paying for the Celis family to stay at the hotel.   During the press conference, the Celis's denied that they were directly compensated for Thursday's exclusive appearance on The Today Show or for the exclusive video of Isabel that they provided to NBC.  The family released that same video to Tucson media later Thursday.
 ::snipping2::

Reminds me of the Horman case (How dad only allowed certain reporters and stations in and only on Fridays and so on).  Why so controlled?  Why the need to be in a secure location?  Why are they being so selective?  Weird. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2012, 07:29:45 PM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/150175035.html

 ::snipping2::
The press conference took place at a Tucson hotel under tightly controlled conditions.  Only one camera was allowed, and only one reporter from KOLD, KVOA and KGUN9 were allowed to enter the room and ask questions.  The Celis family selected the reporters.  For KGUN9 News, anchor Guy Atchley received the invitation and represented 9 On Your Side.  The three TV journalists  alternated asking questions.

The family also allowed a reporter and photographer from the Arizona Daily Star to be in the room and witness the press conference, but did not allow them to ask questions.  Instead, the family gave them a separate interview opportunity following the live press conference.

At one point during the live event, a Phoenix-based reporter walked into the room and asked a question, one that had already been asked.   Immediately afterwards, a Tucson police officer escorted that reporter from the room. 

Because of security concerns and concerns for the privacy of Rebecca and Sergio Celis, KGUN9 News has agreed to withhold the location where the press conference took place.  KGUN9 News has confirmed, however, that NBC News has been paying for the Celis family to stay at the hotel.   During the press conference, the Celis's denied that they were directly compensated for Thursday's exclusive appearance on The Today Show or for the exclusive video of Isabel that they provided to NBC.  The family released that same video to Tucson media later Thursday.
 ::snipping2::

Reminds me of the Horman case (How dad only allowed certain reporters and stations in and only on Fridays and so on).  Why so controlled?  Why the need to be in a secure location?  Why are they being so selective?  Weird. 

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: yuknomenot on May 04, 2012, 07:55:19 PM
OK so from here http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13016.msg1521776#msg1521776 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13016.msg1521776#msg1521776)
 ::snipping2::
5.  No compensation from NBC Today interview.
6.  Not personally accepting any funds from donations.
 ::snipping2::

And from here http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13016.msg1521790#msg1521790 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13016.msg1521790#msg1521790)
 ::snipping2::
KGUN9 News has confirmed, however, that NBC News has been paying for the Celis family to stay at the hotel.   During the press conference, the Celis's denied that they were directly compensated for Thursday's exclusive appearance on The Today Show or for the exclusive video of Isabel that they provided to NBC.  The family released that same video to Tucson media later Thursday.
 ::snipping2::

So which is it, they can't have it both ways.   

I did not watch much of the raw footage, but came away with the same impression I had before.. I don't trust him.  Watching him is like watching Cindy Anthony.  She is tougher to read and I believe that is because she is a nurse.  They are trained and practiced to maintain a calm outward appearance and to handle a horrendous situation as though it was something as common as brushing teeth. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 04, 2012, 08:42:28 PM
The response from the Celis's was disingenuous at best re compensation.

In-kind compensation is the new checkbook journalism learned from the PR bath abc took on the Anthony case.

I think I have to watch the entire interview again, right now, I feel like I would only be repeating myself with every comment I have made so far except for this:

What is a dental surgical assistant?  I have never heard of that particular title without an attached medical or healthcare license of which he has neither?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Amys Sister on May 04, 2012, 09:24:49 PM
Hi Blink.  My girlfriend was not a dental hygienist however she was hired to clean and sterilize the instruments before and after procedures as well as handle inventory, greet patient's, etc...

I only watched part one of the parent's interview and found Isabelle's parents to be very 'normal' in manner and words for a couple whose child has recently gone missing.  IMO there is a cover up of some sort going on.  I also think the red car that had two pillows and carpet removed from it has something to do with what happened to the child.

One last thing, if Isabelle walked herself to bed, why didn't she go to the boy's room where she normally slept?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Amys Sister on May 04, 2012, 09:27:05 PM
By 'normal' I mean calm and relaxed. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on May 04, 2012, 09:42:30 PM
Day 14-Timeline into Isabel Celis' disappearance

http://www.kvoa.com/news/day-14-timeline-into-isabel-celis-disappearance/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on May 04, 2012, 09:52:42 PM
Isabel's parents answer reporters' questions

TUCSON - It's a heartbreaking sight -- 8-year old Isabel Celis singing and dancing on home video. The little girl disappeared from her Tucson home two weeks ago tonight.

For the most part, Isabel’s parents have shied away from the media. But today they finally sat down for a 45-minute unscripted interview.

Since her disappearance many have questioned the behavior of Sergio and Becky Celis, Isabel’s parents, as to why they haven't been out front, on camera, leading the charge to find their daughter.

At times it felt like an interrogation -- question after question scrutinizing the couple's behavior and sincerity in the wake of their daughter's disappearance.

“If you know how we’re supposed to be acting please let us know cause right now our heart is breaking all the time,” said Becky Celis.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/crime/isabels-parents-answer-reporters-questions-5-4-2012


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on May 04, 2012, 09:54:47 PM
Police have received nearly 900 leads on Celis disappearance

 ::snipping2::

Watch the complete news conference in the raw video above.

http://www.kvoa.com/news/police-have-received-nearly-900-leads-on-celis-disappearance/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Amys Sister on May 04, 2012, 10:04:14 PM
I just watched part two and when asked if there was a party at their house that Friday night Isabelle's mom said no, she and her husband and children were at the ballgame and her brother was out doing his own thing.  it sure seems like Isabelle's uncle lives at the house, otherwise why would she mention him?

If he does live in the three bedroom house, where does he sleep?

I remember when my sister died unexpectedly.  I was in a serious funk, couldn't laugh, and didn't cook dinner for my family for a couple of months.  Lots of take out was had during that time.  Isabelle's parents are so matter of fact with lots of tearless crying.

They state they don't know who would take her, everyone loved her, no one had anything against her, etc...

Have they not even considered she was abducted by a sexual predator or kidnapped and if so, why aren't they pleading for her safe return?  Instead, they're thanking their employers, talking about how they will get by financially, having their boys go to baseball practice because the endorphins will be good for them, etc... 

Maybe the request for Isabelle's safe return will be in part 3.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2012, 10:58:08 PM
Latest Update RAW: Celis parents talk to local news media
12:14 PM


TUCSON - In this extended interview with the local news media, Rebecca and Sergio Celis discuss, in-depth, the disappearance of their 6-year-old daughter, including the investigation, how their lives have changed, what their plans for the future are, and how much they miss their daughter.

Video
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/



Rebecca Celis: "We break down every night"
Isabel's parents face Tucson media in a wide-ranging, live interview
CREATED 8:54 AM - UPDATED: 1:47 PM


<snipped>

During the press conference, the Celis's denied that they were directly compensated for Thursday's exclusive appearance on The Today Show or for the exclusive video of Isabel that they provided to NBC.  The family released that same video to Tucson media later Thursday.

<snipped>

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/150175035.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2012, 11:08:41 PM
(http://media2.abc15.com//photo/2012/04/21/Isabel_Mercedes_Celis_20120421150151_320_240.JPG)

(http://media2.abc15.com//photo/2010/05/16/ap_logo_20100516130557_60_45.JPG)



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on May 04, 2012, 11:31:29 PM
Bless this child and her family..hoping she is found soon. Can not imagine the nightmare that het family is going through,


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on May 05, 2012, 12:14:12 AM
i know we have discussed, the drug aspect of dentistry b4,IJCR,what the
#1 drug was

Oral Surgeon Assistant: Job Description and Education Requirements
educationportal.com
http://educationportal.com/articles/Oral_Surgeon_Assistant_Job_Description_and_Education_Requirements.html
Clerical Work
Duties on the clerical side include the handling of dental charts and upkeep of inventory. Oral surgeon assistants must often keep track of how many supplies are currently on hand, and they are responsible for re-ordering when the time is right. They must also become familiar with the equipment used in the oral surgeon's office and ensure that it is properly controlled and maintained

Education Requirements
Much education is required of oral surgeon assistants. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), many states allow for dental assistants to be hired with a high school diploma and no training. However, these individuals do not have much room for growth without education.

Oral surgeon assistants must know substantially more than general dental assistants and for this reason they may hold many certifications and have formal educational training. For example, many states require assistants to obtain licensure before they can work with x-ray equipment. The BLS highly recommends contacting specific state boards to find out the requirements for a certain area (www.bls.gov).
----------------
TY janet,and dont 2nd guess your self,all i can see now,that i know,dad and mom are in positions
for various types of drug abuse,is bad bad news,the $$$ dont look right for cuz,uncle,whichever
and mom,dad,i dont want to think about all the children,who have been sacrificed for drugs






Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2012, 12:26:49 PM
By 'normal' I mean calm and relaxed. 

Becky is a nurse.  Sergio is an actor.  Could this account for the outward appearance of calm/control does not reflect the inner anguish Isabel's parents have been experiencing for two weeks.

If I were in Becky or Sergio's place ... it makes sense that I would not outright deceive the nation in a media conference for almost an hour if I possessed knowledge that the investigation had surveillance footage that had the ability to bust me.

Janet

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2012, 01:31:18 PM

Could it be that the Moore surveillance footage revealed ....

1.  Uncle/Cousin Justin arriving in a vehicle while the Celis' family slept.
2.  Justin entering the home (key/key pad?).
3.  Justin staging a kidnapping (window/screen)
4.  Justin leaving the home carrying a large duffle bag.
5.  Justin placing Isabel in a vehicle and driving away.
6.  6:30 AM - The Celis dogs barking at unknown persons walking on the pathway outside the property wall.
7.  Justin returning at approximately 8:00 AM

+++++

Tucson Police spokesperson Sgt. Maria Hawke

RAW: Tucson Police's 2 p.m. update on day 13 of Celis
Posted 2:24 PM 5/3/2012


She began the conference with a clarification about what yesterday's activity at the Celis house was about

"As you all know, the family has been allowed to return to the house," Hawke said. "They can come and go as they please. It's my understanding that they are not staying there yet. That may come in the future. I simply don't know, ultimately that will be their decision. They were happy to cooperate with investigators as they have been all along - to help us get that better understanding, that was what yesterday was all about."

http://www.kvoa.com/videos/raw-tucson-police-s-2-p-m-update-on-day-13-of-celis-investigation/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2012, 01:49:43 PM
The Cousin/Uncle

NANCY GRACE
Police Eye Male Cousin in Celis Disappearance
Aired May 2, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST:  A source now claims police looking closely at Isabel`s male cousin, who once lived in the home ...

<sniped>

GRACE:  Straight out to Paul Birmingham, KNST. Paul, what is the latest? And what can you tell me about this male cousin to Isa?

PAUL BIRMINGHAM, KNST (via telephone): Right. This is what we`re hearing from our sources here in Tucson, that police are scrutinizing this individual. He does have a criminal background, so he has had contact with police before. At this point, it is unclear exactly what sorts of questions they might be asking him or exactly what that scrutiny could consist of.

<snipped>

GRACE: Right now, out to the Celis family home. Standing by, our producer on the scene, Greg Overzat. Greg, what can you tell me about this male cousin?

GREG OVERZAT, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, about this cousin, it`s unclear why specifically he is being scrutinized by police, according to our source. He does have a criminal past. Now, that past only includes charges involving DUI, drug possession, those kind of things, nothing involving -- anything involving a child, sex assault, et cetera.

<snipped>

GRACE: We are live in Tucson. We learned tonight that police scrutinizing an adult male cousin, an adult male cousin that has referred to himself as Isabel`s uncle in the past.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/02/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2012, 01:59:50 PM
SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE

Uncle/Cousin Justin?

NANCY GRACE
Police Examine Security Camera Video in Isabel Celis Disappearance
Aired April 27, 2012 - 20:00   ET


GRACE:  With us, special guest Rick Moore, who had video cameras specifically trained on the Celis home. He describes seeing who he believes to be Isa`s father and uncle coming out of the home around 8:00 AM that morning, walking back and forth, apparently looking for Isa, we can surmise.

<snipped>

GRACE:  hat did you see around Isabel Celis`s home that Saturday morning around 8:00 AM?

MOORE: You know, what we saw that morning -- again, it had been light for a little bit. What we basically saw, the first people we saw on the street -- we did see some activity in the alleyway right behind us. But the police have all that evidence.

What we saw right here was a couple of people walking up and down the street, Nancy. And we think that that was maybe the father and the brother. And then the police had us right at that moment cut off the digital recording, and they took that evidence and that`s when they took it away. So we think that that was just the father...

GRACE: So they did not let you see the rest of it?

MOORE: No, ma`am, they did not. We don`t have it anymore.

<snipped>

GRACE: ... is Isabel`s father and his brother, which would be Isabel`s uncle, walking around in front of the Celis home.

MOORE: Nancy, that`s conjecture on my part. I think that`s who it was. The police didn`t want us to speculate about who that

<snipped>

GRACE: Ellie, what time, do we know exactly, was the 911 call?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, exactly. It was 8:14. But police did say family did a quick search before they called

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/27/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2012, 02:02:25 PM
Family Spokesperson - Uncle Justin

Apr 22, 2012 10:45am
Open Window Shows Missing Tucson Girl Was Abducted, Parents Say


<snipped>

Celis’ family has no doubt she was kidnapped by a stranger.

“You don’t think anything like that would actually really happen to you. And all of sudden, you wake up one morning and you’re in that scenario. Everything goes through your mind, you’re angry, you’re upset, you’re frustrated, you’re confused,” said Isabel’s uncle and family spokesperson Justin Mastromarino.

Mastromarino said her family is a loving one.

“They’re very upset right now, mother is beside herself we’re just trying to let police do their thing and get as much info as possible,” said Mastromarino.

Mastromarino described his niece as “just a sweet little girl.”

“All the ambition in the world. She could do whatever she wanted. Didn’t really like strangers or anything like that so very close knitted and just very wise,” said Mastromarino.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/isabel-celis-6-year-old-girl-vanishes-from-tucson-arizona-home/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 05, 2012, 02:12:21 PM
http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2012/05/04/20120504missing-tucson-girl-parents-share-more-details-abrk.html
Missing Tucson girl's parents talking to media

Quote
The couple asked anyone who has ever been in their home or around their daughter to submit to the same police questioning they did.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2012/05/04/20120504missing-tucson-girl-parents-share-more-details-abrk.html#ixzz1u1HuwBFu

 :scratch:  So, who's not talking?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2012, 03:13:24 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/celis-family-to-speak-to-local-news-media-at-11-a-m-/
Celis Family to speak to local news media at 11 a.m.

http://www.kvoa.com/livestream/



 ::crymonkey2::

I am truly humbled.  This interview was powerful ... insightful.

Monkeys ... this interview causes me to re-evalute all my suspicions that these parents have knowledge or are involved in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of their daughter.

Answers to some questions inquiring minds were asking ...

1.  No attorney has entered the scenario.
2.  Not convinced that window was a point of entry.
3.  Only immediate family was in the home that night.
4.  Sergio - a dental "surgical" assistance.
5.  No compensation from NBC Today interview.
6.  Not personally accepting any funds from donations.

Janet


7.  Reaching out to others who have been in the home to fully cooperate with investigators.

In other words ... the parents are backing down from their initial position and acknowledging that the disappearance of their was not a stranger abduction.

Janet

++++++++

The Interview

Latest Update RAW: Celis parents talk to local news media
12:14 PM


TUCSON - In this extended interview with the local news media, Rebecca and Sergio Celis discuss, in-depth, the disappearance of their 6-year-old daughter, including the investigation, how their lives have changed, what their plans for the future are, and how much they miss their daughter.

Video
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2012, 03:15:25 PM
http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2012/05/04/20120504missing-tucson-girl-parents-share-more-details-abrk.html
Missing Tucson girl's parents talking to media

Quote
The couple asked anyone who has ever been in their home or around their daughter to submit to the same police questioning they did.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2012/05/04/20120504missing-tucson-girl-parents-share-more-details-abrk.html#ixzz1u1HuwBFu

 :scratch:  So, who's not talking?

The elusive Uncle/Cousin Justin?



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 05, 2012, 04:25:23 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/tucson-police-give-update-on-isabel-celis-case/

Tucson Police give update on Isabel Celis case

Quote
During a news conference Saturday, Lt. Fabian Pacheco told News 4 Tucson about 15-20 detectives and analysts are working on the case this weekend.

Police say many false leads and rumors are spreading through social media.
 

This case is so quiet, what rumors/false info are they referring to?
 :smt102


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 05, 2012, 04:29:00 PM
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Parents-of-Isabel-Celis-give-interview-2-week-after-she-disappeared-150259995.html

Parents of Isabel Celis give interview two weeks after she disappeared

Quote
Tucson police say Sergio and Becky Celis have been given lie detector tests. They took the polygraph test within the first few days of the investigation. Police said the test results are being withheld and they are part of an investigative tool used by detectives.

And there is the rub.  If LE truly believed this to be a stranger abduction they'd come out and say that they don't believe the parents to be involved.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2012, 05:04:25 PM

Could it be that the Moore surveillance footage revealed ....

1.  Uncle/Cousin Justin arriving in a vehicle while the Celis' family slept.
2.  Justin entering the home (key/key pad?).
3.  Justin staging a kidnapping (window/screen)
4.  Justin leaving the home carrying a large duffle bag.
5.  Justin placing the duffle bag in a vehicle and driving away.
6.  6:30 AM - The Celis dogs barking at unknown persons walking on the pathway outside the property wall.
7.  Justin returning at approximately 8:00 AM

+++++

Tucson Police spokesperson Sgt. Maria Hawke

RAW: Tucson Police's 2 p.m. update on day 13 of Celis
Posted 2:24 PM 5/3/2012


She began the conference with a clarification about what yesterday's activity at the Celis house was about

"As you all know, the family has been allowed to return to the house," Hawke said. "They can come and go as they please. It's my understanding that they are not staying there yet. That may come in the future. I simply don't know, ultimately that will be their decision. They were happy to cooperate with investigators as they have been all along - to help us get that better understanding, that was what yesterday was all about."

http://www.kvoa.com/videos/raw-tucson-police-s-2-p-m-update-on-day-13-of-celis-investigation/


KittyMom

Since the getgo ... spokespersons for the investigation ahave stated that the parents are cooperating with the investigation.  Could it be that Becky and Sergio have not been ruled out because the Moore surveillence footage may have captured Justin's activities outside the home but ... there is no confirmation that Justin was not summoned by Isabel's parents following something bad happening.

Cell phone records could reveal whether there was communication between Justin and Isabel's parents that night.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2012, 05:33:20 PM
Uncle: Isabel's parents glad they went on TV
Posted: May 03, 2012 2:11 PM PDT
Updated: May 03, 2012 4:20 PM PDT


Tucson Police confirmed today that the parents took polygraph tests early in the investigation.

Sgt. Maria Hawke said at a press conference, "It is accurate that the parents have done polygraph tests," but those results will not be shared.

<snipped>

TPD says they are not able to release any additional surveillance video at this time.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18115892/tpd-parents-have-taken-polygraph-test


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 05, 2012, 10:24:35 PM
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/do-you-have-video-that-could-help-find-isabel/article_16df6102-96e1-11e1-99b6-0019bb2963f4.html

Do you have video that could help find Isabel?
 


Quote
Police especially want any videos taken by individuals or surveillance systems the days before and after Isabel went missing, and detectives continue to watch videos for clues, Pacheco said.
In response to a question, Pacheco said that whoever did this did an "adequate" job of covering his or her tracks.

 

 :smt102 
So, do they want video from the ball park, from the child's school, from the neighborhood? 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2012, 10:40:11 PM
Latest Update Police say whoever did this did an "adequate" job
06:36 PM


TUCSON - It's been two weeks since 6-year-old Isabel Celis was reported missing, but still no solid leads on where the first-grader could be.

At a news conference Saturday, Tucson Police said they're working on more than 900 tips. A majority of them aren't substantial. Around 20 investigators and analysts are working the case this weekend. They're also looking at video, but won't say what it is or where it's from.

<snipped>

"We're going to operate and continue to work this investigation under the assumption that she is alive and that we will bring her back safely to her family," says Lt. Fabian Pacheco.

So far, questions about who could be involved haven't been answered.

"We're just not at a position yet that we could share those things with you, not at a position where we could tell you we have this person as a suspect or that person as a suspect."

Many are beginning to wonder how much TPD really knows.

"Whoever is involved did an adequate job of really covering a lot of things that we could possibly look at."

<snipped>

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#fcanchor




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cecilita on May 06, 2012, 12:39:05 PM
Latest Update Police say whoever did this did an "adequate" job
06:36 PM


TUCSON - It's been two weeks since 6-year-old Isabel Celis was reported missing, but still no solid leads on where the first-grader could be.

At a news conference Saturday, Tucson Police said they're working on more than 900 tips. A majority of them aren't substantial. Around 20 investigators and analysts are working the case this weekend. They're also looking at video, but won't say what it is or where it's from.

<snipped>

"We're going to operate and continue to work this investigation under the assumption that she is alive and that we will bring her back safely to her family," says Lt. Fabian Pacheco.

So far, questions about who could be involved haven't been answered.

"We're just not at a position yet that we could share those things with you, not at a position where we could tell you we have this person as a suspect or that person as a suspect."

Many are beginning to wonder how much TPD really knows.

"Whoever is involved did an adequate job of really covering a lot of things that we could possibly look at."

<snipped>

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#fcanchor



" adequate job"? I think the police is not doing an "adequate job" because if the kidnappers cleaned all the tracks very well... how is possible that the screen window was left out? I think that girl was kidnapped by a family member or drug user....I think the police should be checking if the parents were drug users or they were selling some kind of prescribed medication in their house, everytime the parents are involve in that kind of bussines the kids start disappearing from their own homes


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: BabsKats on May 06, 2012, 12:57:36 PM
We need to remember all that went on re: the Samantha Keonig case in Alaska, we couldn't understand why they didn't release the video of her kidnapping.  All the nasty talk of her lifestyle, questioning her father's actions etc.

Behind the scenes LE & family were on track, after that animal that took her.  To me they did a fantastic job chasing him down although it did take weeks to catch him!

So I will hold off being critical of how and why LE is dealing with this case, along with reactions from the parents throughout this and hold out hope that Isa is found safe!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on May 06, 2012, 03:01:28 PM
We need to remember all that went on re: the Samantha Keonig case in Alaska, we couldn't understand why they didn't release the video of her kidnapping.  All the nasty talk of her lifestyle, questioning her father's actions etc.

Behind the scenes LE & family were on track, after that animal that took her.  To me they did a fantastic job chasing him down although it did take weeks to catch him!

So I will hold off being critical of how and why LE is dealing with this case, along with reactions from the parents throughout this and hold out hope that Isa is found safe!

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: tupelohoney on May 06, 2012, 07:18:34 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#fcanchor

Latest Update Isabel Celis' parents attend charity softball game
09:03 PM

TUCSON - Isabel Celis' parents attended a charity softball game to help bring their daughter home.

Teams competed in a tournament at the Kino Sports Complex Saturday afternoon.

"To be out here, it's hard," Isabel's mother Becky Celis said, "because Isa's not here, and this is what she loves to do."

Registration cost $150. Seven teams played. The money will pay for more fliers and other items to spread the message about the girl's disappearance.
Isabel's father Sergio was coaching his team from the first-base line.

"Being around family and watching them play," Sergio Celis said, "that's a lot of fun."

Sergio Celis said it was still difficult to enjoy himself.

"It is all for Isabel," Sergio Celis said, "and we can't go crawling under a rock. We do got to be out there."

Becky Celis said all the negative attention her family is receiving is sometimes excessive.

"But you know what? It doesn't matter," Becky Celis said. "It doesn't matter how we're viewed. We just want Isabel back, so we're going to do whatever we can to bring Isabel home."

Becky and Sergio Celis plan on attending more events and helping the volunteers who have been working to bring Isabel home.



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on May 06, 2012, 10:05:50 PM
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/media-interviews-of-isabel-s-parents-prompt-new-tips-but/article_78ecf17e-05cb-5f72-8053-1af8ad74c688.html
Media interviews of Isabel's parents prompt new tips, but few are helpful
May 6, 2012

 ::snipping2::
At least 15 detectives and analysts are working the case this weekend, following up on tips regarding the disappearance of 6-year-old Isabel Celis.

Police have received more tips since Isabel's parents gave their first media interviews last week, said Lt. Fabian Pacheco, a Tucson Police Department spokesman.

The parents appeared on the "Today" show Thursday and met with local media Friday.

However, few of those tips have helped advance the investigation, Pacheco said.

"The vast majority are not good leads," he said.

"It's a challenging case but I wouldn't say we're flustered," Pacheco said. "We recognize these investigations are complicated. Things just don't happen overnight."

Police have not revealed any information about DNA or other forensic evidence collected, but whoever did this did an "adequate" job of covering their tracks, he said.
 ::snipping2::
Two weeks after Isabel was reported missing from her midtown home, police have not identified a suspect, but no one has been ruled out. Police said last week that her parents, Sergio and Becky Celis, took polygraph tests, but they wouldn't discuss the results.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on May 06, 2012, 10:07:21 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/tucson-police-holding-fewer-briefings-in-isabel-celis-case/
Tucson Police holding fewer briefings in Isabel Celis case
May 6, 2012

TUCSON - Tucson Police held a news conference Sunday morning where they announced they'll be reducing the number of briefings regarding the search for missing 6-year-old Isabel Celis.

Lt. Fabian Pacheco said work on the case is scaling down because that's part of the natural progression of the investigation.

Detectives will be meeting Monday morning to assess where they're at in the investigation and where they need to go from here.

Lt. Pacheco insists this isn't a cold case and that police continue making daily progress in their search to find Isa.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on May 07, 2012, 07:58:37 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/father-of-missing-girl-isabel-celis-sings-at-benefit-concert

Father of missing girl Isabel Celis sings at benefit concert


Sunday night, the father of missing Tucson, Ariz. girl Isabel Celis sang at a concert organized to raise money to search for her.

Sergio Celis gave an emotional, heartwarming performance, which brought many who attended to tears, according to the Chicago Tribune.

To see photos of Isabel Celis, click here.

Celis, an opera singer, sang Ave Maria to the crowd of around 100 people who gathered at Catalina United Methodist Church in Tucson.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 07, 2012, 09:15:51 PM
Daddy coaches at the softball tourny and sings at the concert.  This is a first in all the cases I've followed through the years.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 07, 2012, 09:45:53 PM
Daddy coaches at the softball tourny and sings at the concert.  This is a first in all the cases I've followed through the years.

Yeah...I really don't get this.  I understand getting out there and searching for your child and getting the word out, after numerous heartfelt pleas...but, something just isn't sitting well with me.  Do you think they know that she is okay?  I mean...this is likely really far off...I usually stay away from conspiracy type theories...ha...but, with all of the money being made off of missing/killed children (Anthony's started this) could this be a possibility? Or maybe they are simply very strong willed people that can go on even though their child is missing.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 07, 2012, 10:31:09 PM
Daddy coaches at the softball tourny and sings at the concert.  This is a first in all the cases I've followed through the years.

Yeah...I really don't get this.  I understand getting out there and searching for your child and getting the word out, after numerous heartfelt pleas...but, something just isn't sitting well with me.  Do you think they know that she is okay?  I mean...this is likely really far off...I usually stay away from conspiracy type theories...ha...but, with all of the money being made off of missing/killed children (Anthony's started this) could this be a possibility? Or maybe they are simply very strong willed people that can go on even though their child is missing.

I don't know what to think.  But, remember John Walsh?  Erin Runnion?  Mark Lunsford?  Those are people I would call 'strong-willed' and they all reacted in a similar manner to their missing children.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 07, 2012, 10:38:39 PM
Daddy coaches at the softball tourny and sings at the concert.  This is a first in all the cases I've followed through the years.

Yeah...I really don't get this.  I understand getting out there and searching for your child and getting the word out, after numerous heartfelt pleas...but, something just isn't sitting well with me.  Do you think they know that she is okay?  I mean...this is likely really far off...I usually stay away from conspiracy type theories...ha...but, with all of the money being made off of missing/killed children (Anthony's started this) could this be a possibility? Or maybe they are simply very strong willed people that can go on even though their child is missing.

I don't know what to think.  But, remember John Walsh?  Erin Runnion?  Mark Lunsford?  Those are people I would call 'strong-willed' and they all reacted in a similar manner to their missing children.

Yes, you are right...but it seems they did so AFTER they had time to grieve.  But, maybe not...I don't really recall how long it was.  It just seems it was done in a different manner.  I'm not sure what I am trying to describe here.  I know that we are not all the same...but, it seems that while my child was missing...I would be searching relentlessly.  I would be handing out flyers...I would be pleading on television...I would be knocking on every neighbors door...I would be at the police station constantly...but somehow singing and coaching wouldn't be on my list and my kids love baseball/softball.  We are there ALL of the time.  I would be there to support the baseball league for supporting me and my child.  I don't know...maybe I am just reading them wrong.  Does that make sense at all KittyMom?  It's just an overall feeling I get, I suppose.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 07, 2012, 10:51:07 PM
Daddy coaches at the softball tourny and sings at the concert.  This is a first in all the cases I've followed through the years.

Yeah...I really don't get this.  I understand getting out there and searching for your child and getting the word out, after numerous heartfelt pleas...but, something just isn't sitting well with me.  Do you think they know that she is okay?  I mean...this is likely really far off...I usually stay away from conspiracy type theories...ha...but, with all of the money being made off of missing/killed children (Anthony's started this) could this be a possibility? Or maybe they are simply very strong willed people that can go on even though their child is missing.

I don't know what to think.  But, remember John Walsh?  Erin Runnion?  Mark Lunsford?  Those are people I would call 'strong-willed' and they all reacted in a similar manner to their missing children.

Yes, you are right...but it seems they did so AFTER they had time to grieve.  But, maybe not...I don't really recall how long it was.  It just seems it was done in a different manner.  I'm not sure what I am trying to describe here.  I know that we are not all the same...but, it seems that while my child was missing...I would be searching relentlessly.  I would be handing out flyers...I would be pleading on television...I would be knocking on every neighbors door...I would be at the police station constantly...but somehow singing and coaching wouldn't be on my list and my kids love baseball/softball.  We are there ALL of the time.  I would be there to support the baseball league for supporting me and my child.  I don't know...maybe I am just reading them wrong.  Does that make sense at all KittyMom?  It's just an overall feeling I get, I suppose.
I'm sorry.  I wasn't very clear.  Those parents I listed all reacted the same which is NOT the way I've seen the Celis couple behave.  And yes, we all react differently.  But in all the cases I've ever followed, I've never seen one where a parent does this.  Most are inconsolable.  They beg for their child's face to be on tv.  They plead for searchers to continue looking.  They work tirelessly to find their missing child.  This is just a terribly strange situation and one I'll bet the FBI profilers are closely watching.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 07, 2012, 10:54:28 PM
Daddy coaches at the softball tourny and sings at the concert.  This is a first in all the cases I've followed through the years.

Yeah...I really don't get this.  I understand getting out there and searching for your child and getting the word out, after numerous heartfelt pleas...but, something just isn't sitting well with me.  Do you think they know that she is okay?  I mean...this is likely really far off...I usually stay away from conspiracy type theories...ha...but, with all of the money being made off of missing/killed children (Anthony's started this) could this be a possibility? Or maybe they are simply very strong willed people that can go on even though their child is missing.

I don't know what to think.  But, remember John Walsh?  Erin Runnion?  Mark Lunsford?  Those are people I would call 'strong-willed' and they all reacted in a similar manner to their missing children.

Yes, you are right...but it seems they did so AFTER they had time to grieve.  But, maybe not...I don't really recall how long it was.  It just seems it was done in a different manner.  I'm not sure what I am trying to describe here.  I know that we are not all the same...but, it seems that while my child was missing...I would be searching relentlessly.  I would be handing out flyers...I would be pleading on television...I would be knocking on every neighbors door...I would be at the police station constantly...but somehow singing and coaching wouldn't be on my list and my kids love baseball/softball.  We are there ALL of the time.  I would be there to support the baseball league for supporting me and my child.  I don't know...maybe I am just reading them wrong.  Does that make sense at all KittyMom?  It's just an overall feeling I get, I suppose.
I'm sorry.  I wasn't very clear.  Those parents I listed all reacted the same which is NOT the way I've seen the Celis couple behave.  And yes, we all react differently.  But in all the cases I've ever followed, I've never seen one where a parent does this.  Most are inconsolable.  They beg for their child's face to be on tv.  They plead for searchers to continue looking.  They work tirelessly to find their missing child.  This is just a terribly strange situation and one I'll bet the FBI profilers are closely watching.

Okay...yes...I think that we are thinking along the same lines.  Something definitely feels off here.  I guess that is what is called my "hinky meter." 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: grace-land on May 08, 2012, 02:28:16 AM
Video at link

http://www.kvoa.com/news/mobile-billboard-donated-to-help-in-seach-for-isabel-celis/

Mobile billboard donated to help in seach for Isabel Celis
Posted: May 7, 2012 9:24 PM
Updated: May 7, 2012 10:50 PM

TUCSON - Day 17 since six-year-old Isabel Celis disappeared from her eastside home and still there are no solid leads.
 
Meantime police have scaled back the number of officers assigned to the case.
 
Volunteers are stepping up efforts to assist the investigation.
 
Many of the signs and fliers you see around Tucson, were donated by local graphic design companies. There's now a mobile billboard zooming around town.
 ::snipping2::
Tucson Police will hold a news conference Tuesday and again Thursday to update their progress into Isabel's disappearance.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 08, 2012, 04:00:52 AM
Is it just me, or is anyone else not feeling the urgency with this case as with other cases?  Something about this case has been missing for me, I couldn't put my finger on it.

I watched a couple of video recordings of Isabel, in the home, "singing" along and "dancing" with Abba to "Money, Money, Money", "Honey Honey" and "Dancing Queen". 
 
http://youtu.be/Upb9neqzqe4 

In vid 1, it starts off with the song "Money, Money, Money". 

At 1:34 approx. "Dancing Queen" begins. 

At 2:06 approx., a woman is heard directing Isabel to "Hop on the thing, get up there", meaning the divider table between the couches.  (Why would you want your child to stand on this? There's the possibility of the child falling, or breaking this table from their weight.  I wouldn't advise it.)

http://youtu.be/6sJzKyJQIgM 

In vid 2, at approx 0:21, the woman is directing Isabel "Go ahead, you do it" and Isabel begins to clap.

At 1:10 approx, "Honey, Honey" begins to play and we see Isabel with a microphone.

At 3:10 approx, we hear someone in the distance saying "Ready?....ready?" and what appears to be the younger of the two brothers walks into the room.

At approx 3:20, it appears the older brother walks in.

It seems as though they were going somewhere, (The little brother asking "Ready?....Ready?") but recording this video, through 3 songs, was more of a priority than getting ready to go.





Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on May 08, 2012, 08:22:25 AM
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/search-for-isabel-celis-police-update-is-today/article_0724ef3f-b21a-5af7-8f56-787ab96ec3db.html
Search for Isabel Celis: police update is today
May 8, 2012

 ::snipping2::
Police are set to update the case today, at 2 p.m
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 08, 2012, 10:51:51 AM
Thanks Muffy!   ::MonkeyAngel::





Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on May 08, 2012, 11:52:55 AM
Thanks Muffy!   ::MonkeyAngel::






You're welcome, Can. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2012, 10:06:16 PM
Police: 20 detectives and 30 support staffers working on Celis case
Posted: May 8, 2012 3:34 PM
Updated: May 8, 2012 3:38 PM


<snipped>

Earlier this afternoon, Tucson Police held a news briefing to update the public and media about the investigation.

There are no new leads that police can comment on, but they have received more than 1,000 tips.

Right now, about 50 personnel are working the case: 20 detectives and 30 support staff. The FBI and US Marshalls are assisting too.

At today's news conference, Sgt. Maria Hawke says Isabel's disappearance is still classified as a "possible abduction." No one has been ruled out, and they're investigating all possible scenarios.

"We've been examining every possibility. Whether it be extended family members, friends, people who have visited the neighborhood or regulars in the neighborhood," Sgt. Hawke said. "They have a very active social life outside outside of the home as well. So pretty much everyone they come into contact with has obviously looked at.:02 There has not been one person that has been identified as a suspect, as well as no one has been eliminated from suspicion in this case."

Sgt. Hawke also talked about their process of elimination when it comes to identifying possible suspects. So far, she says no one has been identified, nor ruled out.

Video
http://www.kvoa.com/news/police-20-detectives-and-30-support-staffers-working-on-celis-case/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 09, 2012, 10:15:12 AM
3 large dogs in the home at the time of the disappearance?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on May 09, 2012, 04:08:07 PM
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/search-for-isabel-celis-police-review-more-video/article_1f27aafb-edcc-51a5-8c81-63e4b2dcdb09.html
Search for Isabel Celis: police review more video
May 9, 2012

 ::snipping2::
Police are reviewing hours' worth of surveillance video taken near Isabel's home around the time she was reported missing, Sgt. Maria Hawke said at a news briefing Tuesday.

Meanwhile, the 911 call to police the day Isabel disappeared continues to be withheld from the public. It will be released after police remove some of the information in the call, Hawke said.


Friends and co-workers of Isabel's mother, Becky Celis, who is a Tucson Medical Center nurse, are asking for help in manning the makeshift volunteer center in the shopping center parking lot on the southeast corner of South Craycroft Road and East Broadway.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on May 10, 2012, 02:25:58 PM
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/search-for-isabel-celis-update/article_f40f088a-d537-5627-9f7a-7a3a3e572d9f.html
Search for Isabel Celis: Update
May 10, 2012

 ::snipping2::
There was no briefing by the Tucson Police Department about the case Wednesday, and the next briefing is set for today at 2 p.m. Today is Day 20 of the investigation, which began when Isabel, 6, was reported missing from her midtown Tucson home the morning of April 21.

This past weekend, a softball tournament and a concert raised $3,089 - bringing the total to more than $17,600 raised through fundraisers to help the Celis family. Included in the $17,600 raised is $11,600 donated to the Tucson Medical Center Foundation fund from dono
 ::snipping2::
Volunteers have organized a candlelight walk for Isabel on May 18 at 7 p.m. at the volunteer center in the Office Max parking lot at the southeast corner of Broadway and Craycroft Road. Donations will be accepted at the center and during the walk.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 11, 2012, 10:20:37 AM
Thoroughly confused by this information:

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/10/jvm-isabel-celis-audio-recording

Dispatchers could have gotten erroneous information on the 911 call I suppose,  but this states pink tank top , navy shorts, and that she was last seen at 10PM.

Said 911 call was made by an AUNT and that the Mom was at work but on her way home, no mention of Dad whatsoever.

I really do not know what they are redacting from the 911 call, and I question the legality of doing that unless it names a poi or investigative fact that would hinder the case or apprehension of a suspect.



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 11, 2012, 10:45:08 AM
Thoroughly confused by this information:

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/10/jvm-isabel-celis-audio-recording

Dispatchers could have gotten erroneous information on the 911 call I suppose,  but this states pink tank top , navy shorts, and that she was last seen at 10PM.

Said 911 call was made by an AUNT and that the Mom was at work but on her way home, no mention of Dad whatsoever.

I really do not know what they are redacting from the 911 call, and I question the legality of doing that unless it names a poi or investigative fact that would hinder the case or apprehension of a suspect.



This is very interesting indeed.  Considering we were told by the Celis' there were no visitors' in the home that night. 
Could the father have summoned 'the caller' to place the 911 call?  If so, why?
Wouldn't that waste precious time? 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 11, 2012, 10:55:56 AM
can- there is a reason that 911 call has not been released, and legally, the only way they can withhold it is if it contains information that would compromise an active investigation or essentially tip off a suspect.

In other words, it is "evidence" in a criminal investigation.  That scope is narrow to survive any FOIA requests, meaning, the state cannot just "not release the whole thing" and expect a judge to seal it.

I gather there are some FOIA requests to release it and that is why they may redact portions and release the rest-  in general the requests if denied in part require responses within 20 days, and appeals thereafter if necessary.

My opinions are the same in this case as they have been,  I hate that.

I hope the successful location of the Bain sisters has an impact on someone's conscience.

B


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 11, 2012, 11:09:35 AM
can- there is a reason that 911 call has not been released, and legally, the only way they can withhold it is if it contains information that would compromise an active investigation or essentially tip off a suspect.

In other words, it is "evidence" in a criminal investigation.  That scope is narrow to survive any FOIA requests, meaning, the state cannot just "not release the whole thing" and expect a judge to seal it.

I gather there are some FOIA requests to release it and that is why they may redact portions and release the rest-  in general the requests if denied in part require responses within 20 days, and appeals thereafter if necessary.

My opinions are the same in this case as they have been,  I hate that.

I hope the successful location of the Bain sisters has an impact on someone's conscience.

B
Thank you so much for your detailed and informed response Blink.
Think you've been on the right track all along, even though you hate that.

Prayers for that sweet child, Isabel.   


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Robyn621 on May 11, 2012, 07:42:04 PM
Wonder what this is all about?

Police: CPS has 'increased involvement' in Celis investigation

Recently, detectives became aware of information regarding the welfare of the older Celis children. That information was shared with CPS for their consideration and determination relating to this investigation.

Read the whole news release http://www.kvoa.com/news/police-cps-has-increased-involvement-in-celis-investigation/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 11, 2012, 07:48:27 PM
Thanks Robyn - very interesting


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 11, 2012, 09:07:14 PM
Wonder what this is all about?

Police: CPS has 'increased involvement' in Celis investigation

Recently, detectives became aware of information regarding the welfare of the older Celis children. That information was shared with CPS for their consideration and determination relating to this investigation.

Read the whole news release http://www.kvoa.com/news/police-cps-has-increased-involvement-in-celis-investigation/

Thank you Robyn.  I also wonder.  This suggests to me that this is something more than regular procedure.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 11, 2012, 09:13:29 PM
I am going to give the parents of Isabel a pass on this one.  Think back to the Ann Curry interview.  I was listening to the TV in the living room from the kitchen while preparing breakfast and ... I was positive that I was hearing the voices of two women being questioned by Ann.  I took a peek into the living room to confirm that Sergio and Becky were Ann's guests.  In other words ... without watching Sergio's voice sounded like a woman.  IMO

The reported time in the 911 call was 2200 which equates to 10:00 PM.  In his panic could Sergio have made a mistake or ... could the 911 operator have recorded the time wrong?

Janet

+++++

The Scanner - The 911 Call

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Tapes Released from Night of Girl`s Disappearance
Aired May 10, 2012 - 19:00   ET


<snipped>

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, exclusive new developments in the mystery of Isabel Celis` disappearance that you will only see on this show.

We`ve obtained exclusive audio from the police as they responded to the disappearance and possible kidnapping of a 6-year-old. You will hear exactly what cops said and heard as it was happening, starting with this very first dispatch to Isabel`s home that fateful morning. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A possible kidnapping at 5602 East 12th. Complainant woke up, and their 6-year-old daughter is gone. They`ve searched the house. The window was found open, and the screen was outside on the ground.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

<snipped

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  In reference to East 12th, the missing 6-year- old female, light brown hair, hazel eyes, about 40 pounds. Last seen in a pink tank top and navy blue shorts when she was put to bed.

Complainant`s actually going to be the sister, and it looks like the mom is en route.
 
(END VIDEO CLIP)

<snipped>

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The missing child from 5602 East 12th, last seen yesterday at 2200 hours. Isabel Celis, number one female, 4 foot, brown hair, hazel eyes, born in 2005, had her hair in braids. Last seen wearing a pink tank top and navy shorts.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JOE GOMEZ, KTRH NEWS RADIO: Jane. I mean, you know, typically, look, you woke up in the middle of the night and you found out that your daughter was missing, I mean, certainly you would be severely distressed.

It concerns me that they say that there`s a woman`s voice, you know, on the phone when there was no woman present.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/10/ijvm.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 11, 2012, 09:21:40 PM
Exclusive: Recording from day Isabel vanished
updated 2:51 PM EDT, Fri May 11, 2012


http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/10/jvm-isabel-celis-audio-recording


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 11, 2012, 09:24:21 PM
Wonder what this is all about?

Police: CPS has 'increased involvement' in Celis investigation

Recently, detectives became aware of information regarding the welfare of the older Celis children. That information was shared with CPS for their consideration and determination relating to this investigation.

Read the whole news release http://www.kvoa.com/news/police-cps-has-increased-involvement-in-celis-investigation/

Thanks Robyn.

The plot thickens.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: 4 Donks on May 11, 2012, 09:42:21 PM
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18325000/tpd-cps-involvement-with-celis-family-increases

TPD: Celis children placed with only 1 parent

TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) -
Child Protective Services has placed the older brothers of a missing Tucson girl in the care of one of their parents, Tucson News Now has learned.

Tucson Police Lt. Fabian Pacheco said that CPS has placed the children with one of the parents as a safety measure. He would not say which parent has the children
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 11, 2012, 09:56:10 PM
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18325000/tpd-cps-involvement-with-celis-family-increases

TPD: Celis children placed with only 1 parent

TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) -
Child Protective Services has placed the older brothers of a missing Tucson girl in the care of one of their parents, Tucson News Now has learned.

Tucson Police Lt. Fabian Pacheco said that CPS has placed the children with one of the parents as a safety measure. He would not say which parent has the children
 ::snipping2::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks 4 Donks

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: 4 Donks on May 11, 2012, 10:12:11 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#fcanchor

 ::snipping2::
Tucson Police tell News 4 the parents are living separately because of this and one of the parents is not allowed any kind of contact.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 11, 2012, 10:34:44 PM
What is going on?

Janet

++++

UPDATE
Tucson police work with CPS on missing Isabel investigation
Posted: May 11, 2012 4:43 PM PDT
Updated: May 11, 2012 6:35 PM PDT


<snipped>

In a statement Friday, Tucson police spokesperson Sgt. Maria Hawke said detectives recently became aware of information regarding the welfare of the older Celis children.

Tucson police said the information was given to CPS for their consideration relating to police's investigation of Isabel's disappearance.  Tucson police said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children." Hawke did not elaborate.

CPS released the following statement to CBS 5 News.

The Department can confirm that CPS is working closely with law enforcement to ensure the continued safety of the children. At the present time, the children are not in CPS custody. The Department appreciates the community's support and understanding in protecting the privacy rights and safety needs for these children during this ongoing joint investigation.

<snipped>

http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/tucson-police-work-with-cps-on-missing-isabel-investigation



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 11, 2012, 11:13:28 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#fcanchor

 ::snipping2::
Tucson Police tell News 4 the parents are living separately because of this and one of the parents is not allowed any kind of contact.

Hmmm...I wonder what was found? 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cartfly on May 11, 2012, 11:21:10 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#fcanchor

 ::snipping2::
Tucson Police tell News 4 the parents are living separately because of this and one of the parents is not allowed any kind of contact.

Just for info: I am not sure this was mentioned earlier but Rebecca Celis' maiden name is "Snyder".


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 11, 2012, 11:55:25 PM
NEW BLINK POST:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/05/11/isabel-celis-breaking-news-child-services-removes-sons-from-sergio-celis-care-and-placed-with-becky-celis-and-relative/ (http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/05/11/isabel-celis-breaking-news-child-services-removes-sons-from-sergio-celis-care-and-placed-with-becky-celis-and-relative/)

Isabel Celis Breaking News: Child Services Removes Sons From Sergio Celis Care and Placed With Becky Celis and Relative


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 11, 2012, 11:57:14 PM
Blink has just done a piece.  Sorry I don't know how to bring it here but click on Crime
above and it will take you to BOC.  The two boys are staying with their Mother Becky and a relative.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 11, 2012, 11:58:32 PM
oops - thank you Klaas.  i shoud have known you'd come along.  LOL


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2012, 12:20:01 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 12, 2012, 12:24:01 AM
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#fcanchor

 ::snipping2::
Tucson Police tell News 4 the parents are living separately because of this and one of the parents is not allowed any kind of contact.
The cracks are starting to show.  Soon the truth will come pouring out.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2012, 12:41:26 AM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151198035.html (http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151198035.html)

Police: Celis parents living separately; 1 parent not allowed contact
Child Protective Services takes active role in case of missing 1st grader


CREATED 4:08 PM

Reporter: Kevin Keen

Web Producer: Ina Ronquillo and Marissa Pasquet

TUCSON (KGUN9-TV) - Tucson police tell KGUN9 News the siblings of 6-year-old Isabel Celis, missing for 21 days, are now in the custody of one parent and the other parent is not allowed to see them, TPD said the developments leading to the custody change are “significant." They also have Ariz. Child Protective Services taking an active role in the case.

TPD tells KGUN9 News that missing Isabel Celis' parents are living separately at this time, and one parent is not allowed contact.

Lt. Fabian Pacheco told KGUN9 detectives, as recently as Thursday, “came into some information which they considered to be important enough to share with Child Protective Services. They contacted these folks, they sent one of their personnel here to police headquarters.”
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Puzzler on May 12, 2012, 12:53:41 AM
Oh, my, my, my!

What on earth is going on....sure give me the "cold chills".


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: ISpy on May 12, 2012, 01:55:30 AM
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18325000/tpd-cps-involvement-with-celis-family-increases

TPD: Celis children placed with only 1 parent

TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) -
Child Protective Services has placed the older brothers of a missing Tucson girl in the care of one of their parents, Tucson News Now has learned.

Tucson Police Lt. Fabian Pacheco said that CPS has placed the children with one of the parents as a safety measure. He would not say which parent has the children
 ::snipping2::

Evening,all!  Reading from the rafters and wanted to drop a comment.  Didn't Sergio say that the last he saw of Isabel, her mother (Becky) was braiding her hair late Friday night for her early morning ball game? This new development reminded me of the recent Eyes For Lies post (http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2012/05/becky-and-sergio-celis-3rd-interview.html (http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2012/05/becky-and-sergio-celis-3rd-interview.html)) and Becky's rather contemptuous body language/facial expressions and odd off-the-cuff remarks ("We've made it through worse..."). Compound that, with Sergio's comments imploring someone to "Look at Isabel..." (see how beautiful she is) and his noting that Isabel told him how tired she was. Factor in, that this particular night, Isabel was reportedly sleeping alone in her bedroom (as opposed to sleeping in her brothers' room, as usual). Lo and behold, now CPS has stepped in and separated the brothers from one parent for their safety. That alone tells me that one parent has presented as a threat and that the children's statements have likely been rehearsed (if they have been interviewed).  It also confirms why the parents were taken individually to the home and interviewed separately.

IMO, the family (or Sergio) returned home late Friday night from the ball game. A very tired and probably highly resistant Isabel was being forced to get her hair braided for the morning game.  It's not hard to imagine a scenario in which an angry mother may have punished Isabel in a manner resulting in her death, immediate or eventual (concussion, seizure with convulsions leading to death, etc.). Perhaps the separation from her brothers was part of the punishment or perhaps a necessity due to Isabel's death or extensive injuries. An injured/dying/deceased Isabel could not simply be removed through the front door, without the danger of being discovered by one of her brothers. IMO, the screen was indeed pushed out from the inside and Isabel was handed through the window from one person to another (be that Sergio to Uncle, vice-versa, or Becky to Sergio). IMO, due to the time frame of when the family would need to be up and getting ready to leave for the early Saturday morning game, a deceased Isabel was handed out the window.  There had to be a fairly solid cover story in place, with some "evidence" of a "kidnapping", before Isabel's brothers woke up.  It may be that the boys had already been sent to bed before Isabel was getting her hair braided, as Sergio didn't mention them being there the last time he supposedly saw Isabel.  So, the brothers woke up to a "kidnapped" sister.

IMO, the kidnapping scenario seems a little too pat, the window-screen story a little too passe (with very little reported damage to the window and screen). The lukewarm, guarded LE reception to the kidnapping scenario, combined with the almost apathetic parental attitude (the abject lack of pleading from Sergio and Becky early on), belies a kidnapping.  Both Sergio and Becky seem to be lacking the heart-rending grief and desperation, marking missing child/kidnapping cases.  In short, their emotional effect seems way off, "private people" or not.  IMO, Becky is probably the more aggressive personality of the two and Sergio is covering for her. In interviews, it is Becky that leaks flashes of anger, disdain, contempt, and arrogance. The flashes appear to be in response to questions about them: their lack of initial press conferences; their concern about their own personal appearances; their possible involvement; their finances; their lack of involvement in looking/pleading for Isabel; and their fundraising appearances.  In short, both she and Sergio come across as both highly offended and defensive that their story is being questioned. They seem almost desperate to deflect negative attention from themselves and yet, they seem strangely lacking that same desperation in finding Isabel.  It's almost as if they want LE and the public to buy the kidnapping story, get sympathy as the poor parents, and move on (talking about normalcy). It's almost as if they've closed the book on Isabel and can't understand our need to hash it out, flesh out the details. Perhaps it's the discernible lack of details, apparent to the rest of us, that worries them.  Perhaps that is what is motivating an almost palpable need for them to hurry through the investigation and onto "healing" and "normalcy". The longer LE stays in the investigating close to home phase, the more uncomfortable (and possibly volatile) Becky and Sergio will become, IMO. All my own opinions from the comfort of my arm chair.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: ISpy on May 12, 2012, 01:59:07 AM
Well, per Blink's post above, I'm glad I didn't quit my day job!  LOL So much for my "theory".  :silent:

*Exit stage right*


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: ISpy on May 12, 2012, 02:03:58 AM
Becky Celis-My sincere apologies.  Lesson learned. I am sorry. From this point on, I'll pass on speculating. I don't want to be a false witness or damage someone's rep. 'Nite all.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2012, 09:32:39 AM
ISpy - don't be too hard on yourself.  Why were the boys placed with the mom and a relative and not simply the mom?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2012, 11:12:06 AM
Isa's brothers staying with 1 parent, relative
Story Isa's brothers staying with 1 parent, relative
Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:00 am


Isabel Celis' older brothers were staying with only one of their parents and a relative Friday, police said.

Child Protective Services met with Tucson police and Isabel Celis' parents Thursday at police headquarters before a decision was made to have the children stay with one of the parents and the relative, said Lt. Fabian Pacheco, a Tucson Police Department spokesman.

Detectives became aware of information regarding the welfare of the Celises' older children, according to a Tucson Police Department news release. Isabel, 6, has two older brothers, Julian and Sergio.

Pacheco did not say which parent and relative the boys were staying with, citing the investigation.

CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare" of the children, police said. Police would not elaborate on what measures were taken or what led to the action.

Pacheco said the move was driven by the ongoing investigation of Isabel's disappearance.

Police officers did not have to serve a temporary custody notice, he said.  That's when children are taken from their parents because they are endangered.

"We just wanted CPS to come in and perform an assessment based on information from detectives," he said.

CPS has been involved in the case since Isabel was first reported missing, which is common for missing-children cases. CPS released a statement Friday, saying, "The Department can confirm that CPS is working closely with law enforcement to ensure the continued safety of the children. At the present time, the children are not in CPS custody. The Department appreciates the community's support and understanding in protecting the privacy rights and safety needs for these children during this ongoing joint investigation."

<snipped>

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/isa-s-brothers-staying-with-parent-relative/article_284272fb-80be-5d95-8b33-f3eb7b22b0f2.html



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Amys Sister on May 12, 2012, 11:28:51 AM
When there is molestation in the house it is common for children to seek protection in the night by sleeping together.  If molestation was occuring in the Celis household, that would explain why Isabella stayed late into the night with her father for the cleanup of the ballpark... he would want the boys to have gone to bed so he could put Isabella to sleep in her own room where he would have access to her.  I've considered this as a possibility from early on, otherwise why keep a young child up so late to clean a ball park when she's already had a long day?

We all know cases where dad is molesting the children and mom knows about it but says or does nothing to protect them. 

 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 12, 2012, 11:50:31 AM
From watching the interviews with this couple, I can't see the mom reporting anything negative against the dad.  She seems very defensive to me. 

Maybe this is an LE tactic of divide and concur?  Raise contention between the two and see who slips.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 12, 2012, 12:07:25 PM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151198035.html (http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151198035.html)

Police: Celis parents living separately; 1 parent not allowed contact
Child Protective Services takes active role in case of missing 1st grader


CREATED 4:08 PM

Reporter: Kevin Keen

Web Producer: Ina Ronquillo and Marissa Pasquet

TUCSON (KGUN9-TV) - Tucson police tell KGUN9 News the siblings of 6-year-old Isabel Celis, missing for 21 days, are now in the custody of one parent and the other parent is not allowed to see them, TPD said the developments leading to the custody change are “significant." They also have Ariz. Child Protective Services taking an active role in the case.

TPD tells KGUN9 News that missing Isabel Celis' parents are living separately at this time, and one parent is not allowed contact.

Lt. Fabian Pacheco told KGUN9 detectives, as recently as Thursday, “came into some information which they considered to be important enough to share with Child Protective Services. They contacted these folks, they sent one of their personnel here to police headquarters.”
 ::snipping2::

I wonder if the information that came in Thursday has something to do with forensic dna evidence.   


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 12, 2012, 12:10:08 PM
Becky Celis-My sincere apologies.  Lesson learned. I am sorry. From this point on, I'll pass on speculating. I don't want to be a false witness or damage someone's rep. 'Nite all.

ISpy. 
Please don't pass on speculating.  You've simply changed your mind, once new information became available.



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 12, 2012, 12:14:01 PM
When there is molestation in the house it is common for children to seek protection in the night by sleeping together.  If molestation was occuring in the Celis household, that would explain why Isabella stayed late into the night with her father for the cleanup of the ballpark... he would want the boys to have gone to bed so he could put Isabella to sleep in her own room where he would have access to her.  I've considered this as a possibility from early on, otherwise why keep a young child up so late to clean a ball park when she's already had a long day?

We all know cases where dad is molesting the children and mom knows about it but says or does nothing to protect them. 

 

Amys Sister.  Thank you for pointing out that children seek protection by sleeping together.  I had forgotten that. 
Just thought that it seemed inappropriate for a little girl to be sleeping with older brothers.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 12, 2012, 12:22:39 PM
ISpy - don't be too hard on yourself.  Why were the boys placed with the mom and a relative and not simply the mom?

Great point! 
I can think of a couple of reasons.  Could it be for protection of Mom and/or kids?
Could it be the relative has ensured LE there will be no communication between Becky and Sergio.
Anyone have any ideas?

Where is Isabel?   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: yuknomenot on May 12, 2012, 01:05:52 PM
Becky Celis-My sincere apologies.  Lesson learned. I am sorry. From this point on, I'll pass on speculating. I don't want to be a false witness or damage someone's rep. 'Nite all.
Speculation is not accusation and does not mean you are damaging anyones reputation. In these cases speculation is more like brainstorming and is necessary.  I actually feel your theory still has great merit.  As Klaasend said :
 
         Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
« Reply #533 on: May 12, 2012, 08:32:39 AM »
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ISpy - don't be too hard on yourself.  Why were the boys placed with the mom and a relative and not simply the mom?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: seahorse on May 12, 2012, 01:23:17 PM
When there is molestation in the house it is common for children to seek protection in the night by sleeping together.  If molestation was occuring in the Celis household, that would explain why Isabella stayed late into the night with her father for the cleanup of the ballpark... he would want the boys to have gone to bed so he could put Isabella to sleep in her own room where he would have access to her.  I've considered this as a possibility from early on, otherwise why keep a young child up so late to clean a ball park when she's already had a long day?

We all know cases where dad is molesting the children and mom knows about it but says or does nothing to protect them. 

 

Amys Sister.  Thank you for pointing out that children seek protection by sleeping together.  I had forgotten that. 
Just thought that it seemed inappropriate for a little girl to be sleeping with older brothers.

I agree.

Boy's are notorious at horse play, my brothers would drag me around by my hair.

I wonder if Isa ever had a restful nights sleep.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2012, 08:08:12 PM
Celis Family Photos

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2143567/Brothers-missing-Isabel-Celis-removed-parents-care-search-year-old-continues.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: 4 Donks on May 12, 2012, 08:35:58 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/isabel-celis-missing-tucson-girls-father-barred-contact/story?id=16334922#.T67_g-hYv55

Isabel Celis: Missing Tucson Girl's Father Barred From Contact With Her Brothers

The father of missing Tucson 6-year-old Isabel Celis has been told by authorities he cannot have contact with the girl's two older brothers, who are now in the custody of their mother Rebecca, ABC News has learned.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2012, 08:51:28 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/isabel-celis-missing-tucson-girls-father-barred-contact/story?id=16334922#.T67_g-hYv55

Isabel Celis: Missing Tucson Girl's Father Barred From Contact With Her Brothers

The father of missing Tucson 6-year-old Isabel Celis has been told by authorities he cannot have contact with the girl's two older brothers, who are now in the custody of their mother Rebecca, ABC News has learned.
 ::snipping2::


Thanks 4 Donks

Janet

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Isabel Celis: Missing Tucson Girl's Father Barred From Contact With Her Brothers
May 12, 2012


<snipped>

A source close to the investigation said the development does not mean that investigators are turning their focus on Sergio Celis in the disappearance of his daughter. A police statement released Friday said it is "common practice for CPS [Child Protective Services] to become involved in investigations regarding missing children."

Calls to Sergio Celis and his wife -- who are no longer living together -- were not returned today. Other family members reached by phone refused to comment.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/US/isabel-celis-missing-tucson-girls-father-barred-contact/story?id=16334922
 



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Kat_Gram on May 12, 2012, 08:54:36 PM
Speculation here :
Does anyone recall that there was a second search warrant in this case ? I haven't been following along, just a few Nancy shows.
In the Tori Stafford case, a secondary search warrant was not issued for the computers and laptop, therefore all the bad things on Rafferty's laptop was not " Evidence" .
Now we have Sergio banned from seeing the boys or to have any contact.
That is pretty serious and for whatever reason, my speculation / imagination connected those two items.
If he was doing something to the boys, he would have been arrested not just banned from having contact. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 12, 2012, 09:18:49 PM
If he was pressuring the boys to tell lies or withhold truth maybe one of them told a school teacher.  It had to be something in which the mom wasn't implicated in. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on May 12, 2012, 09:44:56 PM
Becky Celis-My sincere apologies.  Lesson learned. I am sorry. From this point on, I'll pass on speculating. I don't want to be a false witness or damage someone's rep. 'Nite all.

ISpy. 
Please don't pass on speculating.  You've simply changed your mind, once new information became available.



I agree ISpy!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cartfly on May 12, 2012, 10:14:18 PM
Just throwing things around in my head.......but Sergio seems a little flamboyant to me...... perhaps he plays for the other team and Isabel was abducted from someone he had a relationship with? ::MonkeyCool::

(just my opinion and I don't mean anything disparaging against that choice, to each his own) ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.basysconsulting.com/AOC/Photos/Elixir/Celis01.jpg)



Sergio David Celis

Tenor

Last Arizona Opera Appearance: The Merry Widow (2002)

Recent Appearances: Chorus Member with Arizona Opera, Soloist with Valley Presbyterian Church, Tucson, Opera Scenes with Pima Community College

Companies: Pima Community College Concert Chorale, The Lane Justice Chorale, University of Arizona Symphonic Choir
(http://www.azopera.com/images/noref_image.php?imgloc=final%2Fimg-85392bc3de2f33918b7f137b1db12dab-Picture.jpg)
 http://www.azopera.com/performances.php?opera=castbios&subpage=sergio_david_celis (http://www.azopera.com/performances.php?opera=castbios&subpage=sergio_david_celis)





Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on May 12, 2012, 10:22:59 PM
Anything is possible at this point Cartfly.



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cartfly on May 12, 2012, 10:27:38 PM
apologies if this was posted already ( I am trying to keep up...)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upb9neqzqe4&feature=relmfu  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upb9neqzqe4&feature=relmfu)
preciosa Isabel bailando! tan femenina y bonita! me encanta!!
le pedimos a Diosito q nos ayude a encontrarte y q regreses PRONTO!!
we miss you so much!


beautiful Isabel dancing! so feminine and pretty! I love it!!
ask Diosito q will help us find you and q back soon!
we miss you so much! (Translated by Bing
)
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742145467&ref=pb  (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742145467&ref=pb)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 12, 2012, 11:14:11 PM
ISpy - don't be too hard on yourself.  Why were the boys placed with the mom and a relative and not simply the mom?

That is an excellent point Klaas- and no answer as of yet.

I spy-  speculating is sometimes advocacy and compassion, it is essential in locating this child, and many mp in general.

It starts with someone caring enough to read and post.

B


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 13, 2012, 06:16:58 AM
Sounds like she is being supervised with the kids.

Could be many reasons~ to make sure there is no contact between Sergio and the boys, CPS could be questioning her ability to parent, safety issues.  Another set of eyes on the boys.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: tupelohoney on May 13, 2012, 08:33:39 AM
Sounds like she is being supervised with the kids.

Could be many reasons~ to make sure there is no contact between Sergio and the boys, CPS could be questioning her ability to parent, safety issues.  Another set of eyes on the boys.
She does work, at least I think she's still employed....maybe the other relative is for when she's away at work. And summer vacation is right around the corner.  I hope it's as simple as this.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 13, 2012, 09:35:23 AM
When there is molestation in the house it is common for children to seek protection in the night by sleeping together.  If molestation was occuring in the Celis household, that would explain why Isabella stayed late into the night with her father for the cleanup of the ballpark... he would want the boys to have gone to bed so he could put Isabella to sleep in her own room where he would have access to her.  I've considered this as a possibility from early on, otherwise why keep a young child up so late to clean a ball park when she's already had a long day?

We all know cases where dad is molesting the children and mom knows about it but says or does nothing to protect them. 

 

Amys Sister.  Thank you for pointing out that children seek protection by sleeping together.  I had forgotten that. 
Just thought that it seemed inappropriate for a little girl to be sleeping with older brothers.

I agree.

Boy's are notorious at horse play, my brothers would drag me around by my hair.

I wonder if Isa ever had a restful nights sleep.

Hi Seahorse. My concern is not horse play, or childs play.  
Wow - wondering if Isa ever had a restful nights sleep is a sobering thought.  I pray that
her life was happy, sheltered and without trama.

Happy Mothers Day!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 13, 2012, 09:54:50 AM
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/ (http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/)

Latest Update Volunteers still focused on bringing Isabel Celis home

10:34 PM 5/12/12

TUCSON - Volunteers are not letting anything distract them from trying to bring Isabel Celis home.

"If this were my child who went missing," Holly Hansen said, "I wouldn't want people to forget. I wouldn't want people to stop trying."

The latest news about Child Protective Services increasing their involvement in the case is not something they dwell on.

"Until we know facts," Hansen said, "I don't think that it detracts at all from what's going on here."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 13, 2012, 11:29:05 AM
I think whatever it is that has caused CPS to bar Sergio from contact with the children, is something that is/was known to the family- remember the family was making statements like: We don't want this to be about us, we want the focus to stay on finding Isabel.

Why would the family be concerned what the police found out during their investigation if it meant getting their child home?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 13, 2012, 11:42:45 AM
Sounds like she is being supervised with the kids.

Could be many reasons~ to make sure there is no contact between Sergio and the boys, CPS could be questioning her ability to parent, safety issues.  Another set of eyes on the boys.
She does work, at least I think she's still employed....maybe the other relative is for when she's away at work. And summer vacation is right around the corner.  I hope it's as simple as this.

Me too!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: melisb on May 13, 2012, 01:13:10 PM
Happy Mother's Day!
Yep!  I'm cooking a big southern supper for my Son and Hubby and I enjoy every minute of it!  For me, and I know probably 100% of the Monkeys that have kids and those near and dear just as special as their own, I can not for one iota of a second imagine what life would be like if my child was missing!  I know I would have to some how go on and hunt him down every minute, second, every avenue, hole in the street, etc., but when I try to think about it I start having a panic attack!  God Bless all those Mom's who have chosen to go on and use their Angel's name to help all the other missing!  I also have to add the single parent Father who is both to their children!  Had to add that for my friend who lost his wife to cancer two years ago and his children celebrate Mother's and Father's Day for him!  It's so sweet!  I hope y'all have a smooth, easy going rest of the day, God Bless Everyone!



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: seahorse on May 13, 2012, 01:44:53 PM
http://tucsoncitizen.com/pats-bits-and-bytes/?p=128   
TY to JQ



Happy Mother's Day, to all the Saintly Mom's  ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2012, 03:35:16 PM
Happy Mother's Day!
Yep!  I'm cooking a big southern supper for my Son and Hubby and I enjoy every minute of it!  For me, and I know probably 100% of the Monkeys that have kids and those near and dear just as special as their own, I can not for one iota of a second imagine what life would be like if my child was missing!  I know I would have to some how go on and hunt him down every minute, second, every avenue, hole in the street, etc., but when I try to think about it I start having a panic attack!  God Bless all those Mom's who have chosen to go on and use their Angel's name to help all the other missing!   I also have to add the single parent Father who is both to their children!  Had to add that for my friend who lost his wife to cancer two years ago and his children celebrate Mother's and Father's Day for him!  It's so sweet!  I hope y'all have a smooth, easy going rest of the day, God Bless Everyone!



  :smt060

Post of the Day!

Happy Mothers' Day melisb and all Mommy Monkeys

Janet

+++++

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Others Might Learn

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


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Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.  I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge. It's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professionals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 13, 2012, 05:07:22 PM
Just a thought, could Isabel have been allowed to sleep with her brother because if it came down to where she was indeed being molested by Sergio, ad it got out, it could have been implied it was the son doing the molesting and not the father..........?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Puzzler on May 14, 2012, 01:52:37 AM
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18369703/mother-of-isabel-celis-deals-with-tragedy-on-motherss-day


Isabel's mother dealing with heartbreak on Mother's Day
May 13, 2012

(snip)  Rebecca says she's thinking about happy memories of Isabel this Mother's Day.

"Just thinking of Isabel and the way she is, the presents she's given me, her drawings, just her being her you know and knowing that she'll be home soon."  (snip)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Toler on May 14, 2012, 04:02:47 AM
Wasn't a male relative staying with the family? If so, perhaps he was sleeping in Isabel's room and that's why she was sleeping in her brothers' room?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on May 14, 2012, 08:23:33 AM
Wasn't a male relative staying with the family? If so, perhaps he was sleeping in Isabel's room and that's why she was sleeping in her brothers' room?


Possibly..
Dad said that he put her to bed in her own room the night that she disappeared when she normally sleeps with her brothers. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 14, 2012, 10:49:52 AM
Okay, I am confused.  Are Becky and Sergio divorced?  Or are the boys from another woman?

TUCSON, AZ (CBS5/AP) -

The father of a missing 6-year-old Tucson girl now is not allowed to have contact with his two older sons.
   

Meanwhile, Tucson police said they will talk with the community in the wake of the disappearance of Isabel Celis and the break-in and molestation of another child.

CBS 5 News learned that Sergio Celis was prohibited from contact after detectives called Child Protective Services last week with information regarding the welfare of the older Celis children.

Tucson police said the information was given to CPS relating to the police investigation into the disappearance of Isabel Celis.

Tucson police said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children." Hawke did not elaborate.

CBS 5 News learned Isabel's two brothers were turned over to their biological mother, the ex-wife of Sergio Celis.
 ::snipping2::
http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 14, 2012, 10:53:30 AM
Okay, I am confused.  Are Becky and Sergio divorced?  Or are the boys from another woman?

TUCSON, AZ (CBS5/AP) -

The father of a missing 6-year-old Tucson girl now is not allowed to have contact with his two older sons.
   

Meanwhile, Tucson police said they will talk with the community in the wake of the disappearance of Isabel Celis and the break-in and molestation of another child.

CBS 5 News learned that Sergio Celis was prohibited from contact after detectives called Child Protective Services last week with information regarding the welfare of the older Celis children.

Tucson police said the information was given to CPS relating to the police investigation into the disappearance of Isabel Celis.

Tucson police said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children." Hawke did not elaborate.

CBS 5 News learned Isabel's two brothers were turned over to their biological mother, the ex-wife of Sergio Celis.
 ::snipping2::
http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons

I was just coming here to post this.  I am as confused as ever.  My sources told me the boys were placed with the Mom, but no research on our end, and certainly not offered as information by the Celis interviews, led to a bio Mom so I have no clue what is going on unless this agency has it wrong and me and abc got it right-  what next with this?  I did not see this coming.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 14, 2012, 10:58:37 AM
Okay, I am confused.  Are Becky and Sergio divorced?  Or are the boys from another woman?

TUCSON, AZ (CBS5/AP) -

The father of a missing 6-year-old Tucson girl now is not allowed to have contact with his two older sons.
   

Meanwhile, Tucson police said they will talk with the community in the wake of the disappearance of Isabel Celis and the break-in and molestation of another child.

CBS 5 News learned that Sergio Celis was prohibited from contact after detectives called Child Protective Services last week with information regarding the welfare of the older Celis children.

Tucson police said the information was given to CPS relating to the police investigation into the disappearance of Isabel Celis.

Tucson police said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children." Hawke did not elaborate.

CBS 5 News learned Isabel's two brothers were turned over to their biological mother, the ex-wife of Sergio Celis.
 ::snipping2::
http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons

I was just coming here to post this.  I am as confused as ever.  My sources told me the boys were placed with the Mom, but no research on our end, and certainly not offered as information by the Celis interviews, led to a bio Mom so I have no clue what is going on unless this agency has it wrong and me and abc got it right-  what next with this?  I did not see this coming.

I am very confused.  I'm sure that it will come out shortly...maybe it is just an error.  Yea...what next?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 14, 2012, 11:00:49 AM
Okay, I am confused.  Are Becky and Sergio divorced?  Or are the boys from another woman?

TUCSON, AZ (CBS5/AP) -

The father of a missing 6-year-old Tucson girl now is not allowed to have contact with his two older sons.
   

Meanwhile, Tucson police said they will talk with the community in the wake of the disappearance of Isabel Celis and the break-in and molestation of another child.

CBS 5 News learned that Sergio Celis was prohibited from contact after detectives called Child Protective Services last week with information regarding the welfare of the older Celis children.

Tucson police said the information was given to CPS relating to the police investigation into the disappearance of Isabel Celis.

Tucson police said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children." Hawke did not elaborate.

CBS 5 News learned Isabel's two brothers were turned over to their biological mother, the ex-wife of Sergio Celis.
 ::snipping2::
http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons

I was just coming here to post this.  I am as confused as ever.  My sources told me the boys were placed with the Mom, but no research on our end, and certainly not offered as information by the Celis interviews, led to a bio Mom so I have no clue what is going on unless this agency has it wrong and me and abc got it right-  what next with this?  I did not see this coming.

I am very confused.  I'm sure that it will come out shortly...maybe it is just an error.  Yea...what next?

Sergio and Becky were married in 1997...so this has to be an error.  Unless...


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 14, 2012, 11:51:40 AM
Wow...another twist.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 14, 2012, 11:52:32 AM
The article has been updated, it was incorrect- GEEZE- how do you get that wrong??

http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons

 ::snipping2::
Tucson police said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children." Hawke did not elaborate.

There was no word on exactly where the two boys were.

I have to say it is inappropriate to remove or edit information in an article several hours later and not provide a specific statement of the change- lacks integrity, imo.

B


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 14, 2012, 11:54:14 AM
The article has been updated, it was incorrect- GEEZE- how do you get that wrong??

http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons

 ::snipping2::
Tucson police said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children." Hawke did not elaborate.

There was no word on exactly where the two boys were.

I have to say it is inappropriate to remove or edit information in an article several hours later and not provide a specific statement of the change- lacks integrity, imo.

B
I totally agree with you.  What happened to editors and news managers?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 14, 2012, 12:02:12 PM
The article has been updated, it was incorrect- GEEZE- how do you get that wrong??

http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons

 ::snipping2::
Tucson police said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children." Hawke did not elaborate.

There was no word on exactly where the two boys were.

I have to say it is inappropriate to remove or edit information in an article several hours later and not provide a specific statement of the change- lacks integrity, imo.

B
I totally agree with you.  What happened to editors and news managers?

And fact checkers, lol.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2012, 12:04:49 PM
Didi authorities called CPS?  What does Tucson Police Lt. Fabian Pacheco have to say?

Janet

++++

Isabel Celis Mystery Gains New Twist
Father of missing six-year-old barred from contact with Isabel's older brothers.
01:55 | 05/13/2012


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/isabel-celis-mystery-gains-twist-16337105


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Sister on May 14, 2012, 12:07:24 PM
The article has been updated, it was incorrect- GEEZE- how do you get that wrong??

http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons

 ::snipping2::
Tucson police said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children." Hawke did not elaborate.

There was no word on exactly where the two boys were.

I have to say it is inappropriate to remove or edit information in an article several hours later and not provide a specific statement of the change- lacks integrity, imo.

B
I totally agree with you.  What happened to editors and news managers?

And fact checkers, lol.
ain't it the truth.  Unfortunately, that's why so many of the media have lost credibility.  In the zeal to tell a story first, facts fall by the wayside.  JMO
Glad our Blink doesn't have this problem. 
 ::piggy::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2012, 12:27:02 PM
Didi authorities called CPS?  What does Tucson Police Lt. Fabian Pacheco have to say?

Janet

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Isabel Celis Mystery Gains New Twist
Father of missing six-year-old barred from contact with Isabel's older brothers.
01:55 | 05/13/2012


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/isabel-celis-mystery-gains-twist-16337105


What did authorities learn that motivated them to call CPS?

Does CPS have the legal power to unilaterally place children with one parent as well as deny a "no contact" order to the other without a judge's ruling?

Janet

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Father of missing Isabel can have no contact with 2 sons
Posted: May 11, 2012 4:43 PM PDT
Updated: May 14, 2012 8:21 AM PDT


Tucson police said the information was given to CPS relating to the police investigation into the disappearance of Isabel Celis.

Tucson police said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children." Hawke did not elaborate.

http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2012, 12:33:34 PM

Isabel Celis: Missing Tucson Girl's Father Barred From Contact With Her Brothers
May 12, 2012


<snipped>

A source close to the investigation said the development does not mean that investigators are turning their focus on Sergio Celis in the disappearance of his daughter. A police statement released Friday said it is "common practice for CPS [Child Protective Services] to become involved in investigations regarding missing children."

Calls to Sergio Celis and his wife -- who are no longer living together -- were not returned today. Other family members reached by phone refused to comment.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/US/isabel-celis-missing-tucson-girls-father-barred-contact/story?id=16334922
 

This ABC article has yet to be updated regarding Sergio being barred from contact with his sons.

Janet



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: grace-land on May 14, 2012, 12:34:54 PM
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/05/14/missing-isabel-celis-arizona-no-contact

Isabel Celis' father can't have contact with sons?
updated 12:16 PM EDT, Mon May 14, 2012

It appears the father of missing Arizona girl Isabel Celis can no longer have contact with his two sons. Over the weekend, Tuscon Police told HLN affiliate KGUN that Isabel's parents, Sergio and Rebecca, were separated at the order of Child Protective Services.
 
Police would only confirm the separation and that one parent is banned from contact with Isabel's older brothers. However, Rebecca appears to still have contact with the children. On Sunday, KGUN spotted Isabel's mom with the boys in tow.
 
Rebecca told the affiliate Sunday that despite the hole in her family, she tried to have a normal Mother's day, taking the boys to church and spending time with them. She says the holiday is no more difficult than any other day since Isabel's disappearance more than three weeks ago.
 ::snipping2::
Police are planning a 2 p.m. press conference Monday with more details on the investigation.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2012, 12:44:39 PM
Isabel Celis' father can't have contact with sons?By Cara Hutt
updated 12:16 PM EDT, Mon May 14, 2012


Over the weekend, Tuscon Police told HLN affiliate KGUN that Isabel's parents, Sergio and Rebecca, were separated at the order of Child Protective Services.

Police would only confirm the separation and that one parent is banned from contact with Isabel's older brothers. However, Rebecca appears to still have contact with the children. On Sunday, KGUN spotted Isabel's mom with the boys in tow.

Rebecca told the affiliate Sunday that despite the hole in her family, she tried to have a normal Mother's day, taking the boys to church and spending time with them. She says the holiday is no more difficult than any other day since Isabel's disappearance more than three weeks ago.

"The longing for her to come around the corner," Celis told KGUN. "That's what's hard. But that's everyday. It's nothing different today than yesterday."

Isabel disappeared last month from her bedroom. Her parents have been largely silent on the disappearance, having minimal media contact and refusing to discuss their polygraph tests.

<snipped>

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/05/14/missing-isabel-celis-arizona-no-contact




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2012, 12:53:21 PM
Okay, I am confused.  Are Becky and Sergio divorced?  Or are the boys from another woman?

TUCSON, AZ (CBS5/AP) -

The father of a missing 6-year-old Tucson girl now is not allowed to have contact with his two older sons.
   

Meanwhile, Tucson police said they will talk with the community in the wake of the disappearance of Isabel Celis and the break-in and molestation of another child.

CBS 5 News learned that Sergio Celis was prohibited from contact after detectives called Child Protective Services last week with information regarding the welfare of the older Celis children.

Tucson police said the information was given to CPS relating to the police investigation into the disappearance of Isabel Celis.

Tucson police said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children." Hawke did not elaborate.

CBS 5 News learned Isabel's two brothers were turned over to their biological mother, the ex-wife of Sergio Celis.
 ::snipping2::
http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons

http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons

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TERRY
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Share | FlagWho cares, as long as the kids are okay? You are probably the only one that knew the article was incorrect, so call KPHO and ask for your apology!

Atticus 1
43 mins ago-1
Share | Flagsorry, self correction- The article specified that The children removed were put in the custody of an ex wife of Sergio's and as also their biological Mother for the entire weekend, Mother's Day no less, I think it warrants a correction notice and apology.

Atticus 1
50 mins ago-1
Share | FlagCan someone please tell me how this article specified completely erroneous information for several hours and was just updated without so much as an editorial note?? Error Correction in reporting anyone?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: grace-land on May 14, 2012, 01:31:13 PM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151330675.html

Bittersweet: Rebecca Celis spends Mother's Day with her two children
CREATED May. 13, 2012 - UPDATED: May. 14, 2012 | 9:22 AM

 ::snipping2::
Rebecca said it pains her to realize her only wish this Mother's Day may not come true. "I hope today would be the day Isabel would be home. That's all I'm asking for Mother's Day, but who knows what the plan is."
 
Rebecca told Cavazos she only wanted to talk about the holiday, not about the search for Isabel, the police investigation or what had happened between her and Sergio.   She called Sunday a heartwrenching experience that she said  no mother should have to endure. "I have no idea how to describe it -- it's not a Mother's Day I want to celebrate again."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2012, 02:05:38 PM
Okay, I am confused.  Are Becky and Sergio divorced?  Or are the boys from another woman?

TUCSON, AZ (CBS5/AP) -

The father of a missing 6-year-old Tucson girl now is not allowed to have contact with his two older sons.
   

Meanwhile, Tucson police said they will talk with the community in the wake of the disappearance of Isabel Celis and the break-in and molestation of another child.

CBS 5 News learned that Sergio Celis was prohibited from contact after detectives called Child Protective Services last week with information regarding the welfare of the older Celis children.

Tucson police said the information was given to CPS relating to the police investigation into the disappearance of Isabel Celis.

Tucson police said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children." Hawke did not elaborate.

CBS 5 News learned Isabel's two brothers were turned over to their biological mother, the ex-wife of Sergio Celis.
 ::snipping2::
http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons


KPHO and CBS each accredit the other for the reporting.  Nevertheless ... it makes sense the report was not pulled out of thin air.  Why did KPHO delete the statement without issuing a retraction?

Janet

+++++

May 14, 2012 11:17 AM
Text Sergio Celis, father of missing Ariz. girl Isabel Celis, barred from contact with his sons


<snipped>

Tucson police reportedly said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children," but did not elaborate. CPS says the move is common practice when investigating cases of missing children, KPHO reports.

According to KPHO, Isabel's two brothers were turned over to their biological mother, the ex-wife of Sergio Celis.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57433616-504083/sergio-celis-father-of-missing-ariz-girl-isabel-celis-barred-from-contact-with-his-sons/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2012, 02:08:26 PM
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/05/14/missing-isabel-celis-arizona-no-contact

Isabel Celis' father can't have contact with sons?
updated 12:16 PM EDT, Mon May 14, 2012

It appears the father of missing Arizona girl Isabel Celis can no longer have contact with his two sons. Over the weekend, Tuscon Police told HLN affiliate KGUN that Isabel's parents, Sergio and Rebecca, were separated at the order of Child Protective Services.
 
Police would only confirm the separation and that one parent is banned from contact with Isabel's older brothers. However, Rebecca appears to still have contact with the children. On Sunday, KGUN spotted Isabel's mom with the boys in tow.
 
Rebecca told the affiliate Sunday that despite the hole in her family, she tried to have a normal Mother's day, taking the boys to church and spending time with them. She says the holiday is no more difficult than any other day since Isabel's disappearance more than three weeks ago.
 ::snipping2::
Police are planning a 2 p.m. press conference Monday with more details on the investigation.


Reminder


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 14, 2012, 02:23:01 PM
Janet- no link yet, but I just got a call that the press conf is being pushed to 3PM today,  it was scheduled previously for 2PM.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2012, 02:27:55 PM
Janet- no link yet, but I just got a call that the press conf is being pushed to 3PM today,  it was scheduled previously for 2PM.

Thanks Blink.  Ist that ET?  Do you have a link to a live feed?

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 14, 2012, 02:48:16 PM
No, I believe that is GMT or MST.   I am EST so the time in GMT/MST currently is 11:38AM ( well, is while I am writing)  and in my zone EST, it is 2:38 PM,  so for me the pressc is at 6 PM EST.


If you can believe it,  I have been watching the link you posted.  Apparently, the reporter got an email complaint from a poster, and the reporter told the poster that the information she was referring to as "incorrect" or whatever, was never in the article.   


That floors me.   It is still up on the CBS piece according to a comment :   http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57433616-504083/sergio-celis-father-of-missing-ariz-girl-isabel-celis-barred-from-contact-with-his-sons/


Anyway, the poster followed up with the news director.   I wonder if that octopus is really a monkey in disguise, lol:


Atticus 1
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Atticus 1 I emailed the general comments email address about this issue and received a very polite response from a Michelle Donaldson, who assured me she will be looking into this issue. Her information is as follows if you would like it; Michelle Donaldson News Director KPHO CBS 5 News Direct: 602-650-0700 Newsroom: 602-650-0711 mdonaldson@cbs5az.com






Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 14, 2012, 02:50:41 PM
Didi authorities called CPS?  What does Tucson Police Lt. Fabian Pacheco have to say?

Janet

++++

Isabel Celis Mystery Gains New Twist
Father of missing six-year-old barred from contact with Isabel's older brothers.
01:55 | 05/13/2012


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/isabel-celis-mystery-gains-twist-16337105


What did authorities learn that motivated them to call CPS?

Does CPS have the legal power to unilaterally place children with one parent as well as deny a "no contact" order to the other without a judge's ruling?

Janet

++++


Father of missing Isabel can have no contact with 2 sons
Posted: May 11, 2012 4:43 PM PDT
Updated: May 14, 2012 8:21 AM PDT


Tucson police said the information was given to CPS relating to the police investigation into the disappearance of Isabel Celis.

Tucson police said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children." Hawke did not elaborate.

http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons



NO, they can't.  They can "recomend" a voluntary placement and conditions of visitation, but without a judge's order it can't be enforced.  If the parents do not want to comply, then CPS goes to the court with their evidence and the judge either agrees with CPS or denies their request. 
 ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2012, 02:59:52 PM
Okay, I am confused.  Are Becky and Sergio divorced?  Or are the boys from another woman?

TUCSON, AZ (CBS5/AP) -

The father of a missing 6-year-old Tucson girl now is not allowed to have contact with his two older sons.
   

Meanwhile, Tucson police said they will talk with the community in the wake of the disappearance of Isabel Celis and the break-in and molestation of another child.

CBS 5 News learned that Sergio Celis was prohibited from contact after detectives called Child Protective Services last week with information regarding the welfare of the older Celis children.

Tucson police said the information was given to CPS relating to the police investigation into the disappearance of Isabel Celis.

Tucson police said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children." Hawke did not elaborate.

CBS 5 News learned Isabel's two brothers were turned over to their biological mother, the ex-wife of Sergio Celis.
 ::snipping2::
http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons

The above posting submitted by labubske implies otherwise.

Janet

+++++


May 14, 2012 11:17 AM
Sergio Celis, father of missing Ariz. girl Isabel Celis, barred from contact with his sons

<snipped>

Comments

toxxicoctopus
37 mins ago0
Share | FlagAtticus 1...I asked myself that same information after I sent an email to the reporter Breann Bierman whose name appears at the top of this article. I sent an email at 8:18am asking for credible information or a retraction regarding the comment that the Celis parents were divorced. When I received a response from Bierman I came back to this article and discovered it was updated at 8:21am. Bierman is now claiming the information was never there. Thank you for commenting on what we both clearly saw and but somehow is now being denied.

<snipped>

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57433616-504083/sergio-celis-father-of-missing-ariz-girl-isabel-celis-barred-from-contact-with-his-sons/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2012, 03:04:58 PM
Didi authorities called CPS?  What does Tucson Police Lt. Fabian Pacheco have to say?

Janet

++++

Isabel Celis Mystery Gains New Twist
Father of missing six-year-old barred from contact with Isabel's older brothers.
01:55 | 05/13/2012


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/isabel-celis-mystery-gains-twist-16337105


What did authorities learn that motivated them to call CPS?

Does CPS have the legal power to unilaterally place children with one parent as well as deny a "no contact" order to the other without a judge's ruling?

Janet

++++


Father of missing Isabel can have no contact with 2 sons
Posted: May 11, 2012 4:43 PM PDT
Updated: May 14, 2012 8:21 AM PDT


Tucson police said the information was given to CPS relating to the police investigation into the disappearance of Isabel Celis.

Tucson police said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children." Hawke did not elaborate.

http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons



NO, they can't.  They can "recomend" a voluntary placement and conditions of visitation, but without a judge's order it can't be enforced.  If the parents do not want to comply, then CPS goes to the court with their evidence and the judge either agrees with CPS or denies their request. 
 ::CowboySmiley::

Thanks Flutter.

Janet

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Isa's brothers staying with 1 parent, relative
Story Isa's brothers staying with 1 parent, relative
Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:00 am


Isabel Celis' older brothers were staying with only one of their parents and a relative Friday, police said.

Child Protective Services met with Tucson police and Isabel Celis' parents Thursday at police headquarters before a decision was made to have the children stay with one of the parents and the relative, said Lt. Fabian Pacheco, a Tucson Police Department spokesman.

<snipped>

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/isa-s-brothers-staying-with-parent-relative/article_284272fb-80be-5d95-8b33-f3eb7b22b0f2.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2012, 03:09:53 PM
Okay, I am confused.  Are Becky and Sergio divorced?  Or are the boys from another woman?

TUCSON, AZ (CBS5/AP) -

The father of a missing 6-year-old Tucson girl now is not allowed to have contact with his two older sons.
   

Meanwhile, Tucson police said they will talk with the community in the wake of the disappearance of Isabel Celis and the break-in and molestation of another child.

CBS 5 News learned that Sergio Celis was prohibited from contact after detectives called Child Protective Services last week with information regarding the welfare of the older Celis children.

Tucson police said the information was given to CPS relating to the police investigation into the disappearance of Isabel Celis.

Tucson police said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children." Hawke did not elaborate.

CBS 5 News learned Isabel's two brothers were turned over to their biological mother, the ex-wife of Sergio Celis.
 ::snipping2::
http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons

The above posting submitted by labubske implies otherwise.

Janet

+++++


May 14, 2012 11:17 AM
Sergio Celis, father of missing Ariz. girl Isabel Celis, barred from contact with his son


<snipped>

Comments

toxxicoctopus
37 mins ago0
Share | FlagAtticus 1...I asked myself that same information after I sent an email to the reporter Breann Bierman whose name appears at the top of this article. I sent an email at 8:18am asking for credible information or a retraction regarding the comment that the Celis parents were divorced. When I received a response from Bierman I came back to this article and discovered it was updated at 8:21am. Bierman is now claiming the information was never there. Thank you for commenting on what we both clearly saw and but somehow is now being denied.

<snipped>

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57433616-504083/sergio-celis-father-of-missing-ariz-girl-isabel-celis-barred-from-contact-with-his-sons/


Link s/b

http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 14, 2012, 03:10:55 PM
No, I believe that is GMT or MST.   I am EST so the time in GMT/MST currently is 11:38AM ( well, is while I am writing)  and in my zone EST, it is 2:38 PM,  so for me the pressc is at 6 PM EST.


If you can believe it,  I have been watching the link you posted.  Apparently, the reporter got an email complaint from a poster, and the reporter told the poster that the information she was referring to as "incorrect" or whatever, was never in the article.   


That floors me.   It is still up on the CBS piece according to a comment :   http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57433616-504083/sergio-celis-father-of-missing-ariz-girl-isabel-celis-barred-from-contact-with-his-sons/


Anyway, the poster followed up with the news director.   I wonder if that octopus is really a monkey in disguise, lol:


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Atticus 1 I emailed the general comments email address about this issue and received a very polite response from a Michelle Donaldson, who assured me she will be looking into this issue. Her information is as follows if you would like it; Michelle Donaldson News Director KPHO CBS 5 News Direct: 602-650-0700 Newsroom: 602-650-0711 mdonaldson@cbs5az.com






Interesting, I cannot believe that they are saying it was never there.  I wish I would have copied the time as well. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 14, 2012, 03:21:26 PM
Father of Missing Ariz. Girl Separated From Family


TUCSON, Ariz. May 14, 2012 (AP)

Arizona authorities are prohibiting the father of a missing Tucson girl from having any contact with his other children, but they say that doesn't mean he's a suspect in his daughter's disappearance.

Police Sgt. Maria Hawke confirmed Monday that Sergio Celis has been ordered to have no contact with his two sons.

Authorities declined to provide any details, saying only that there was a need to ensure the welfare of Isabel Mercedes Celis' older siblings.
 ::snipping2::

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/father-missing-ariz-girl-separated-family-16344871#.T7FZBcVdDLQ

So it's Arizona authorities that are prohibiting him from having contact with the boys...Why?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2012, 03:21:35 PM
I have a hinky feeling that the comments regarding this topic are also going to go "poof" so .....

Janet

+++++

Father of missing Isabel can have no contact with 2 sons
Posted: May 11, 2012 4:43 PM PDT
Updated: May 14, 2012 10:12 AM PDT


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Atticus 1
30 mins ago+1
Thx toxx- this is a very serious situation and reporting must be handled appropriately. The "non-existant" information is still up on CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-5​04083_162-57433616-504083/ser​gio-celis-father-of-missing-a​riz-girl-isabel-celis-barred-​from-contact-with-his-sons/

toxxicoctopus
34 mins ago0
Atticus 1 I emailed the general comments email address about this issue and received a very polite response from a Michelle Donaldson, who assured me she will be looking into this issue. Her information is as follows if you would like it; Michelle DonaldsonNews DirectorKPHO CBS 5 NewsDirect: 602-650-0700 Newsroom: 602-650-0711mdonaldson@cbs5az​.com

Atticus 1
36 mins ago0
I ran out of space, here is the top and attribution- definitely there, and was through the weekend, which one can also see in cache: Sergio Celis, father of missing Ariz. girl Isabel Celis, barred from contact with his sons May 14, 2012 This undated photo provided by the Tucson Police Dept. shows Isabel Mercedes Celis. (Credit: AP Photo/Tucson Police Dept.) (CBS/KPHO/AP) TUCSON, Ariz. - The father of Isabel Mercedes Celis, a missing 6-year-old Tucson girl, is no longer allowed to have contact with his two older sons. Pictures: 6-year-old vanishes from Arizona home CBS affiliate KPHO reports that Sergio Celis was prohibited from contact after detectives called Child Protective Services last week with information regarding the welfare of the older Celis children.

Atticus 1
38 mins ago0
toxxicoctopus- Claiming the information was never there? I have a screenshot, and CBS also posted the article in full. Here is a snip, with exactly what appeared that was in error: snip- Isabel was last seen around 11 p.m. on April 20 when she was getting ready for bed. She was reported missing by her father around 8 a.m. the next morning after he went to wake her up. According to police, the child was not in her room and a bedroom window was opened with the screen removed. Tucson police reportedly said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children," but did not elaborate. CPS says the move is common practice when investigating cases of missing children, KPHO reports. According to KPHO, Isabel's two brothers were turned over to their biological mother, the ex-wife of Sergio Celis. - end snip

toxxicoctopus
53 mins ago0
Atticus 1...I asked myself that same information after I sent an email to the reporter Breann Bierman whose name appears at the top of this article. I sent an email at 8:18am asking for credible information or a retraction regarding the comment that the Celis parents were divorced. When I received a response from Bierman I came back to this article and discovered it was updated at 8:21am. Bierman is now claiming the information was never there. Thank you for commenting on what we both clearly saw and but somehow is now being denied.

Atticus 1
2 hours ago+3
Well I would think that if someone happened to repeat it to them at school, or they read it themselves it would be very upsetting to learn your Mother was not your Mother and your Dad had been married before. Not to mention Rebecca Celis. I was not suggesting an apology to me. I would like to think integrity in reporting is important to all?

TERRY
2 hours ago-3
Who cares, as long as the kids are okay? You are probably the only one that knew the article was incorrect, so call KPHO and ask for your apology!

Atticus 1
3 hours ago+1
sorry, self correction- The article specified that The children removed were put in the custody of an ex wife of Sergio's and as also their biological Mother for the entire weekend, Mother's Day no less, I think it warrants a correction notice and apology.

Atticus 1
3 hours ago+1
Can someone please tell me how this article specified completely erroneous information for several hours and was just updated without so much as an editorial note?? Error Correction in reporting anyone?

http://www.kpho.com/story/18328454/father-of-missing-isabel-can-have-no-contact-with-2-sons


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2012, 03:27:36 PM
Interesting, I cannot believe that they are saying it was never there.  I wish I would have copied the time as well. 

You done good labubske!  The date and time at the top of your posting indicates that disputed reporting in the article was later deleted by editor/s.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 14, 2012, 03:28:27 PM
No, I believe that is GMT or MST.   I am EST so the time in GMT/MST currently is 11:38AM ( well, is while I am writing)  and in my zone EST, it is 2:38 PM,  so for me the pressc is at 6 PM EST.


If you can believe it,  I have been watching the link you posted.  Apparently, the reporter got an email complaint from a poster, and the reporter told the poster that the information she was referring to as "incorrect" or whatever, was never in the article.   


That floors me.   It is still up on the CBS piece according to a comment :   http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57433616-504083/sergio-celis-father-of-missing-ariz-girl-isabel-celis-barred-from-contact-with-his-sons/


Anyway, the poster followed up with the news director.   I wonder if that octopus is really a monkey in disguise, lol:


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Atticus 1 I emailed the general comments email address about this issue and received a very polite response from a Michelle Donaldson, who assured me she will be looking into this issue. Her information is as follows if you would like it; Michelle Donaldson News Director KPHO CBS 5 News Direct: 602-650-0700 Newsroom: 602-650-0711 mdonaldson@cbs5az.com






Interesting, I cannot believe that they are saying it was never there.  I wish I would have copied the time as well. 

I have it because it hits my RSS feed so it is stored regardless.   The "octoposter", if correct, was exactly right, and the piece was also updated a second time at least, that I know of.



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 14, 2012, 03:29:40 PM
Interesting, I cannot believe that they are saying it was never there.  I wish I would have copied the time as well. 

You done good labubske!  The date and time at the top of your posting indicates that disputed reporting in the article was later deleted by editor/s.

Janet

I second Janet's kudos.  Nicely done.  All about the facts.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: BabsKats on May 14, 2012, 03:31:05 PM
No, I believe that is GMT or MST.   I am EST so the time in GMT/MST currently is 11:38AM ( well, is while I am writing)  and in my zone EST, it is 2:38 PM,  so for me the pressc is at 6 PM EST.


If you can believe it,  I have been watching the link you posted.  Apparently, the reporter got an email complaint from a poster, and the reporter told the poster that the information she was referring to as "incorrect" or whatever, was never in the article.   


That floors me.   It is still up on the CBS piece according to a comment :   http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57433616-504083/sergio-celis-father-of-missing-ariz-girl-isabel-celis-barred-from-contact-with-his-sons/


Anyway, the poster followed up with the news director.   I wonder if that octopus is really a monkey in disguise, lol:


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Atticus 1 I emailed the general comments email address about this issue and received a very polite response from a Michelle Donaldson, who assured me she will be looking into this issue. Her information is as follows if you would like it; Michelle Donaldson News Director KPHO CBS 5 News Direct: 602-650-0700 Newsroom: 602-650-0711 mdonaldson@cbs5az.com





What Time Is It In Phoenix?

Phoenix, Arizona Local Time

Arizona time is Mountain Standard Time (MST). In the greater Phoenix area we never change our clocks, since we don't participate in Daylight Saving Time. Most of Arizona is the same way, but there are exceptions.
Do you want to know what time it is right now in Phoenix, Arizona? Here's a clock with the Phoenix time!


The time in Phoenix, Arizona
is 12:25 PM (MST) on Monday

So they are actually the same as PST for you west-coasters!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 14, 2012, 03:33:15 PM
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/category/218560/kold-news-13-live-video

One live video feed, although there are a few.  Noting it has officially changed to 3 PM CMT.  6PM EST.





Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 14, 2012, 03:35:42 PM
MST= Mountain Standard Time,  My bad


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2012, 03:40:52 PM
What Time Is It In Phoenix?

Phoenix, Arizona Local Time

Arizona time is Mountain Standard Time (MST). In the greater Phoenix area we never change our clocks, since we don't participate in Daylight Saving Time. Most of Arizona is the same way, but there are exceptions.
Do you want to know what time it is right now in Phoenix, Arizona? Here's a clock with the Phoenix time!


The time in Phoenix, Arizona
is 12:25 PM (MST) on Monday

So they are actually the same as PST for you west-coasters!


Thanks BabsKats

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2012, 03:41:25 PM
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/category/218560/kold-news-13-live-video

One live video feed, although there are a few.  Noting it has officially changed to 3 PM CMT.  6PM EST.





Thanks Blink


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2012, 06:08:15 PM
Is there another link for livestream of police conference.  This one not working for me.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 14, 2012, 09:32:25 PM
Interesting, I cannot believe that they are saying it was never there.  I wish I would have copied the time as well. 

You done good labubske!  The date and time at the top of your posting indicates that disputed reporting in the article was later deleted by editor/s.

Janet

I second Janet's kudos.  Nicely done.  All about the facts.

Thanks to you both.  I saw it first thing this morning and was immediately puzzled...I thought that I had missed something.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 14, 2012, 10:17:36 PM
TUCSON - In their latest update to the news media regarding missing Isabel Celis, Tucson Police confirmed that Isabel's two older brothers are currently staying with their mother, Rebecca, after the father agreed to a voluntary separation from the boys with Child Protective Services.

Police also confirmed they they will be releasing the 911 call made on the Saturday morning after Isabel was discovered missing.

Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor told the press the two Celis boys, both older than 6-year-old Isabel Celis, are currently living with their mother. Villasenor began the briefing by clarifying that the involvement of CPS in this case is not unusual. CPS has been involved since the beginning of this investigation.

"In the course of some interviews that occurred at the end of last week, some information was brought forward that we felt it was necessary to consult with Child Protective Services," said Chief Villasenor. "What was told to us, based on that, they consulted with our detectives as well as with family members, and a voluntary agreement was reached between Child Protective Services and the parents to restrict access, voluntary, for Sergio to get some space and distance from the older children of the Celis family. We really can't talk about other details about that at this point."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kvoa.com/news/tpd-celis-father-separates-from-his-boys-voluntarily-at-cps-request/

What keeps coming to my mind is he is trying to persuade the children in one direction or to keep something quiet.  If it were something criminal then he would have been arrested, right?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 14, 2012, 10:24:15 PM
http://azstarnet.com/excerpts-from-call/article_27e89174-9e2c-11e1-bf88-001a4bcf887a.html

Excerpts from 911 call

Quote
Sergio Celis: Hello, I need to report a uh, missing child. I believe she was abducted from my house.
D: Why do you think she was abducted?
SC: I have no idea. We woke up this morning and went to go get her up, start her baseball game and she’s gone. I woke up my, my sons, I, we looked everywhere in the house and my oldest son noticed that her window was wide open and the screen was laying in the back yard. We’ve looked all around the house, my son...
D: OK. Is mom there also?
SC: Uh, she had just left for work, I just called her and I told her to get her butt home (chuckles).


Read more: http://azstarnet.com/excerpts-from-call/article_27e89174-9e2c-11e1-bf88-001a4bcf887a.html#ixzz1utufyuip

 

 ::MonkeyEek::  He chuckled?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 14, 2012, 10:25:07 PM
 ::snipping2::
Tucson Police say Sergio Celis reached an agreement with CPS that he would keep his distance from the children.   KGUN9 wanted to know: In what scenario does CPS separate a child from one parent and not both?

Rau answered, "If there is a level of concern for one parent and not the other, then they may ask if that parent will voluntarily leave the home until CPS gets this straightened out."

KGUN 9 reporter Valerie Cavazos asked if there could be some outside factors that's connected to that parent that would prompt CPS to take action. Rau replied, "It could be either one. There is a concern the children may not be safe with the parent or the environment the parent is presenting."

The two sons are currently living with Isabel's mother, Rebecca, but not in their home. Police have said they are not preventing the family from living there, but Rau offered this explanation as to why a parent would live with a friend or relative. "Sometimes the children will also be placed with a friend or a relative that may help out that other parent -- just that extra set of adult eyes that CPS trusts that make sure the children are safe."

When a parent is not arrested, Rau said, "It means there's no probable cause. There's not the legal requirement for the evidence for that person to be arrested, or the arrest is pending, or the person is not a suspect."

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151466045.html

Some insight/scenarios as to why Sergio has no contact with the boys.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 14, 2012, 10:26:24 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/videos/raw-audio-sergio-celis-911-call-released-10253/

RAW AUDIO: Sergio Celis' 911 call released



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 14, 2012, 10:28:12 PM
http://azstarnet.com/excerpts-from-call/article_27e89174-9e2c-11e1-bf88-001a4bcf887a.html

Excerpts from 911 call

Quote
Sergio Celis: Hello, I need to report a uh, missing child. I believe she was abducted from my house.
D: Why do you think she was abducted?
SC: I have no idea. We woke up this morning and went to go get her up, start her baseball game and she’s gone. I woke up my, my sons, I, we looked everywhere in the house and my oldest son noticed that her window was wide open and the screen was laying in the back yard. We’ve looked all around the house, my son...
D: OK. Is mom there also?
SC: Uh, she had just left for work, I just called her and I told her to get her butt home (chuckles).


Read more: http://azstarnet.com/excerpts-from-call/article_27e89174-9e2c-11e1-bf88-001a4bcf887a.html#ixzz1utufyuip

 

 ::MonkeyEek::  He chuckled?

Wow...who does that?  I know...I know everyone reacts differently to crisis...but laugh?  I would like to actually hear the call.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 14, 2012, 10:31:57 PM
labubske,

Did you see the link I posted for the raw audio?

Sergio fell asleep watching baseball around midnight on the other side of the wall from Isa.


RED FLAG*******RED FLAG********RED FLAG*******


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 14, 2012, 10:33:31 PM
labubske,

Did you see the link I posted for the raw audio?

Sergio fell asleep watching baseball around midnight on the other side of the wall from Isa.


RED FLAG*******RED FLAG********RED FLAG*******

Thanks KittyMom...I saw it as soon as I posted that...lol.  Thanks.  It's so low I can hardly hear it...or it's my ears and age. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 14, 2012, 10:35:03 PM
labubske,

Did you see the link I posted for the raw audio?

Sergio fell asleep watching baseball around midnight on the other side of the wall from Isa.


RED FLAG*******RED FLAG********RED FLAG*******

Thanks KittyMom...I saw it as soon as I posted that...lol.  Thanks.  It's so low I can hardly hear it...or it's my ears and age. 
Dude sounds so cool and calm.  At the end, Becky comes in and you can hear her really loud in the background.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 14, 2012, 10:37:46 PM
labubske,

Did you see the link I posted for the raw audio?

Sergio fell asleep watching baseball around midnight on the other side of the wall from Isa.


RED FLAG*******RED FLAG********RED FLAG*******

Thanks KittyMom...I saw it as soon as I posted that...lol.  Thanks.  It's so low I can hardly hear it...or it's my ears and age. 
Dude sounds so cool and calm.  At the end, Becky comes in and you can hear her really loud in the background.

Yes, seems too calm.  Also, I just looked up the Diamondbacks schedule and the game started at 6:40pm...would it still be on around midnight?  It was the Diamondbacks he said he watched right?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 14, 2012, 10:37:52 PM
http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/baseball/mlb/game/Braves_Diamondbacks/2012/4/20#box-score

Quote
Updated: 4/21/2012 - 4:42 AM - Note: all times are Eastern Time
   Atlanta 9, Arizona 1   
Chase Field - Attendance: 27761, Time: 2:50

This page even gives a play-by-play but there aren't any times listed!!!!

I'd love to know if LE questioned Sergio about the plays to see if he was really watching.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 14, 2012, 10:41:13 PM
http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/baseball/mlb/game/Braves_Diamondbacks/2012/4/20#box-score

Quote
Updated: 4/21/2012 - 4:42 AM - Note: all times are Eastern Time
   Atlanta 9, Arizona 1   
Chase Field - Attendance: 27761, Time: 2:50

This page even gives a play-by-play but there aren't any times listed!!!!

I'd love to know if LE questioned Sergio about the plays to see if he was really watching.

Me too.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 14, 2012, 10:41:31 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ARI/ARI201204200.shtml

Quote
Friday, April 20, 2012, 9:40 pm, Chase Field
Attendance: 27,761, Time of Game: 2:50

Am I reading this correctly?????  Games started at 2:50  and the scores were posted at 9:40pm???????????????????

So, did Sergio dvr the game?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 14, 2012, 10:45:11 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ARI/ARI201204200.shtml

Quote
Friday, April 20, 2012, 9:40 pm, Chase Field
Attendance: 27,761, Time of Game: 2:50

Am I reading this correctly?????  Games started at 2:50  and the scores were posted at 9:40pm???????????????????

So, did Sergio dvr the game?

Hmmm...I swear I read on another site that the game started at 6:40pm...ha.  I think the game started at 9:40pm and lasted two hours and fifty minutes.  Wow, that is a late start...if it's correct. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 14, 2012, 10:49:44 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ARI/ARI201204200.shtml

Quote
Friday, April 20, 2012, 9:40 pm, Chase Field
Attendance: 27,761, Time of Game: 2:50

Am I reading this correctly?????  Games started at 2:50  and the scores were posted at 9:40pm???????????????????

So, did Sergio dvr the game?

Hmmm...I swear I read on another site that the game started at 6:40pm...ha.  I think the game started at 9:40pm and lasted two hours and fifty minutes.  Wow, that is a late start...if it's correct. 
lol...I thought the 2:50 seemed an odd time to start a game.  I'm not into watching sports that much.  You know LE asked to see the recording if SC had recorded the game for later viewing.  Sure sounds like SC might be someone LE is watching.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 14, 2012, 10:52:14 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ARI/ARI201204200.shtml

Quote
Friday, April 20, 2012, 9:40 pm, Chase Field
Attendance: 27,761, Time of Game: 2:50

Am I reading this correctly?????  Games started at 2:50  and the scores were posted at 9:40pm???????????????????

So, did Sergio dvr the game?

Hmmm...I swear I read on another site that the game started at 6:40pm...ha.  I think the game started at 9:40pm and lasted two hours and fifty minutes.  Wow, that is a late start...if it's correct. 
lol...I thought the 2:50 seemed an odd time to start a game.  I'm not into watching sports that much.  You know LE asked to see the recording if SC had recorded the game for later viewing.  Sure sounds like SC might be someone LE is watching.

Well, it seems more believable than starting at 9:40 pm.  That just seems so late.  But, it seems that is the time.  Maybe there was rain or something?  I don't know.  Yeah...I bet they are looking at him...it seems that the surveillance video would have shown something. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 14, 2012, 10:55:42 PM
Unless he was wearing a hoodie and LE can't be certain of who was on the camera?  We know he can dress for 'parts'. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 14, 2012, 10:56:35 PM
Unless he was wearing a hoodie and LE can't be certain of who was on the camera?  We know he can dress for 'parts'. 

True.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: BabsKats on May 14, 2012, 11:00:33 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ARI/ARI201204200.shtml

Quote
Friday, April 20, 2012, 9:40 pm, Chase Field
Attendance: 27,761, Time of Game: 2:50

Am I reading this correctly?????  Games started at 2:50  and the scores were posted at 9:40pm???????????????????

So, did Sergio dvr the game?

Hmmm...I swear I read on another site that the game started at 6:40pm...ha.  I think the game started at 9:40pm and lasted two hours and fifty minutes.  Wow, that is a late start...if it's correct. 
lol...I thought the 2:50 seemed an odd time to start a game.  I'm not into watching sports that much.  You know LE asked to see the recording if SC had recorded the game for later viewing.  Sure sounds like SC might be someone LE is watching.

Well, it seems more believable than starting at 9:40 pm.  That just seems so late.  But, it seems that is the time.  Maybe there was rain or something?  I don't know.  Yeah...I bet they are looking at him...it seems that the surveillance video would have shown something. 
The 9:40 pm would be correct, as the game was played in Atlanta.....3 hour time difference


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 14, 2012, 11:14:14 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ARI/ARI201204200.shtml

Quote
Friday, April 20, 2012, 9:40 pm, Chase Field
Attendance: 27,761, Time of Game: 2:50

Am I reading this correctly?????  Games started at 2:50  and the scores were posted at 9:40pm???????????????????

So, did Sergio dvr the game?

Hmmm...I swear I read on another site that the game started at 6:40pm...ha.  I think the game started at 9:40pm and lasted two hours and fifty minutes.  Wow, that is a late start...if it's correct. 
lol...I thought the 2:50 seemed an odd time to start a game.  I'm not into watching sports that much.  You know LE asked to see the recording if SC had recorded the game for later viewing.  Sure sounds like SC might be someone LE is watching.

Well, it seems more believable than starting at 9:40 pm.  That just seems so late.  But, it seems that is the time.  Maybe there was rain or something?  I don't know.  Yeah...I bet they are looking at him...it seems that the surveillance video would have shown something. 
The 9:40 pm would be correct, as the game was played in Atlanta.....3 hour time difference

Thanks BabsKats!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on May 14, 2012, 11:20:52 PM
Did not watch NG'S show but listened to some of it on Sirrius radio and I heard her say that it is NOT usual for parents to be separated from the children when a child is missing as LE is saying. And that Father signed an agreement with CPS that he would have no contact with his children...also Pat Brown the criminal profiler questioned the father allowing the teenage son to call 911 rather than the father calling himself after finding his daughter missing. I had not thought of that but it does cause me to wonder.. But maybe dad was searching the house and just told the son to call 911?
Plot thickens...


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on May 14, 2012, 11:26:27 PM
The NG'S transcripts will be more clear of course than what I posted from memory of what I heard..
The police must think something is up with the dad otherwise he wouldn't be seperated from his family right?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 14, 2012, 11:34:54 PM
The NG'S transcripts will be more clear of course than what I posted from memory of what I heard..
The police must think something is up with the dad otherwise he wouldn't be seperated from his family right?

I would think the same cookie.  Anything that is odd or behavior that merits having to be separated from your own children should be looked into further...they are looking at him, I am sure.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: BabsKats on May 14, 2012, 11:51:18 PM
Did not watch NG'S show but listened to some of it on Sirrius radio and I heard her say that it is NOT usual for parents to be separated from the children when a child is missing as LE is saying. And that Father signed an agreement with CPS that he would have no contact with his children...also Pat Brown the criminal profiler questioned the father allowing the teenage son to call 911 rather than the father calling himself after finding his daughter missing. I had not thought of that but it does cause me to wonder.. But maybe dad was searching the house and just told the son to call 911?
Plot thickens...

Cookie, what is NG talking about, it was Sergio that made the 911 call!  KittyMom posted the link on the last page:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.kvoa.com/videos/raw-audio-sergio-celis-911-call-released-10253/

RAW AUDIO: Sergio Celis' 911 call released

It was definitly Sergio making the call, does NG ever check her facts before spurting?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Northern Rose on May 15, 2012, 12:09:23 AM
 ::snipping2::

The second recording is of a call featuring Isabel’s 14-year-old brother, Sergio, who later gives the phone to his mother after she returns home from work. Both the boy and his mother are frantic, though the woman seems to control herself when she is asked for specific information about the girl’s height and weight, what she was wearing, and her hair and eyes.

 ::snipping2::

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/05/isabel-celis-911-calls-released-my-little-girl-i-believe-she-was-abducted/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 15, 2012, 12:31:56 AM
::snipping2::

The second recording is of a call featuring Isabel’s 14-year-old brother, Sergio, who later gives the phone to his mother after she returns home from work. Both the boy and his mother are frantic, though the woman seems to control herself when she is asked for specific information about the girl’s height and weight, what she was wearing, and her hair and eyes.

 ::snipping2::

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/05/isabel-celis-911-calls-released-my-little-girl-i-believe-she-was-abducted/

When listening to the dad call 911 and then the brother of Isa and her Mom...what a difference.  I have to say that I believe that Becky is truly in shock, confused and still trying to take everything in at the time of this call...Sergio (dad) not so sure about and with this most recent news of having no contact with his boys...it just makes me very suspicious of him.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Puzzler on May 15, 2012, 03:47:59 AM
Sergio's call was too calm.

I would think that most people having to make a call to 911 about a missing child would be very emotional or talking loud and fast - at least at the beginning of the call...like Becky was - emotional at the beginning but trying to calm down to give specifics about the child.

Sergio was very emotional during the first presser - but no emotion in the 911 call, except in the arrogance shown in his statement about his wife, when he toldthe 911 operation that he told Becky to get her butt home and then "chuckled".

What?? Chuckled!!

That statement - the way it was presented - I'm thinking it's what I would call a "telling statement".


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Puzzler on May 15, 2012, 03:49:16 AM
I'm sorry to say that Sergio's call reminded me of another father's call:  Zahara Baker's father.

Remember...calm...Hi,

Sergio...calm...Bu-by


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on May 15, 2012, 03:58:53 AM
http://azstarnet.com/excerpts-from-call/article_27e89174-9e2c-11e1-bf88-001a4bcf887a.html

Excerpts from 911 call

Quote
Sergio Celis: Hello, I need to report a uh, missing child. I believe she was abducted from my house.
D: Why do you think she was abducted?
SC: I have no idea. We woke up this morning and went to go get her up, start her baseball game and she’s gone. I woke up my, my sons, I, we looked everywhere in the house and my oldest son noticed that her window was wide open and the screen was laying in the back yard. We’ve looked all around the house, my son...
D: OK. Is mom there also?
SC: Uh, she had just left for work, I just called her and I told her to get her butt home (chuckles).


Read more: http://azstarnet.com/excerpts-from-call/article_27e89174-9e2c-11e1-bf88-001a4bcf887a.html#ixzz1utufyuip

 

 ::MonkeyEek::  He chuckled?

His son noticed the window open?!?!  How did Sergio not notice it when he was looking for her before he woke his sons up?????


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on May 15, 2012, 04:01:49 AM
I'm sorry to say that Sergio's call reminded me of another father's call:  Zahara Baker's father.

Remember...calm...Hi,

Sergio...calm...Bu-by

 ::rhino:: 



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Puzzler on May 15, 2012, 04:03:27 AM
http://azstarnet.com/excerpts-from-call/article_27e89174-9e2c-11e1-bf88-001a4bcf887a.html

Excerpts from 911 call

Quote
Sergio Celis: Hello, I need to report a uh, missing child. I believe she was abducted from my house.
D: Why do you think she was abducted?
SC: I have no idea. We woke up this morning and went to go get her up, start her baseball game and she’s gone. I woke up my, my sons, I, we looked everywhere in the house and my oldest son noticed that her window was wide open and the screen was laying in the back yard. We’ve looked all around the house, my son...
D: OK. Is mom there also?
SC: Uh, she had just left for work, I just called her and I told her to get her butt home (chuckles).


Read more: http://azstarnet.com/excerpts-from-call/article_27e89174-9e2c-11e1-bf88-001a4bcf887a.html#ixzz1utufyuip

 

 ::MonkeyEek::  He chuckled?

His son noticed the window open?!?!  How did Sergio not notice it when he was looking for her before he woke his sons up?????

Good question...I wondered the same thing!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on May 15, 2012, 04:15:06 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel:: Please say a prayer and ligt a candle for Isabel

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Isa%20C


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: theboyzmom on May 15, 2012, 07:17:27 AM
I listened to the first part of NG last night and have a couple of thoughts. First - I find it very strange that only DAD was separated from the boys. Most of the time it seems, from the news and personal experience, that CPS works WAY too hard to keep the parents with the kids. But to not even let him have phone calls or supervised visits seems strange to me. I think the ER doc that pointed out that she argues with CPS about keeping kids away and loses is very telling.

As for the 911 call, Dad is WAY too calm. I know that everyone reacts different, but listening to it this morning, my son asked what I was listening too. When I told him he was shocked. He wondered why dad did not seem more upset. I did not realize that dad was sleeping just a wall away from the room. Any doubt I had about it not being a kidnapping through the window is gone. There is no way I or hubs could sleep through someone taking a window off, climbing in, struggling to get a kid out and stumbling around a room they are not failure with, without waking up.

I hate to say it but I think dad knows something - and it is not something good. I hope that there is a resolution soon for the people that love and miss this girl.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on May 15, 2012, 07:30:02 AM
I'm sorry to say that Sergio's call reminded me of another father's call:  Zahara Baker's father.

Remember...calm...Hi,

Sergio...calm...Bu-by

 ::rhino::

TY kittymom
RAW AUDIO: Sergio Celis' 911 call released
http://www.kvoa.com/videos/raw-audio-sergio-celis-911-call-released-10253/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on May 15, 2012, 07:47:02 AM
SC says he was just on the otherside of the wall
img of floorplan @ 1:40
http://www.kgun9.com/multimedia/videos/?bctid=1596510569001


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 15, 2012, 10:16:29 AM
I'm sorry to say that Sergio's call reminded me of another father's call:  Zahara Baker's father.

Remember...calm...Hi,

Sergio...calm...Bu-by

 ::rhino::

TY kittymom
RAW AUDIO: Sergio Celis' 911 call released
http://www.kvoa.com/videos/raw-audio-sergio-celis-911-call-released-10253/

Very calm, cool and collected.  Too calm, cool and collected given the urgency of a missing child. 

You would think he would be talking to the kids while they are running around the house looking for the child or information.  Things out of place, etc. 

Again, the URGENCY is lacking.

WHY, when your child is missing, no explanation, would you allow your other children out of your sight?  I sure as hell wouldn't!

Obviously, if you are truly assuming a home invasion/ abduction scenario, you would be panic stricken running on adrenalin. 

This call is just like  "as a matter of fact", notify the authorities.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on May 15, 2012, 10:25:03 AM
Right Monkey King! And then the chuckle when he says that he told his wife to get het butt home....who does that when your child is missing? I had no hinkys going off before but I do now about dad! Mom seems completely heartbroken and frightened and innocent IMO...



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 15, 2012, 10:32:42 AM
I still want to know where all of their money is coming from...in the call it says that mom is driving a Lexus RX300...she is a nurse...he works part time.  From previous reports it is stated that their house was foreclosed on but they were able to save it.  Maybe the Lexus is an older model...has anyone seen pictures?  I am just curious where the money comes from.  It may not be important...but you never know.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 15, 2012, 10:38:25 AM
I still want to know where all of their money is coming from...in the call it says that mom is driving a Lexus RX300...she is a nurse...he works part time.  From previous reports it is stated that their house was foreclosed on but they were able to save it.  Maybe the Lexus is an older model...has anyone seen pictures?  I am just curious where the money comes from.  It may not be important...but you never know.

Good question!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 15, 2012, 10:51:11 AM
Isabel Celis' Brother and Mother Call 911

The missing Tuscon girl's brother and mother frantically ask for help.

06:54 | 05/14/2012

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/isabel-celis-brother-mother-call-911-16347357?tab=9482931&section=1206833


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 15, 2012, 11:05:59 AM
Isabel Celis' Brother and Mother Call 911

The missing Tuscon girl's brother and mother frantically ask for help.

06:54 | 05/14/2012

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/isabel-celis-brother-mother-call-911-16347357?tab=9482931&section=1206833

Now, THAT'S the way a parent with a missing child reacts.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 15, 2012, 11:08:59 AM
Isabel Celis' Brother and Mother Call 911

The missing Tuscon girl's brother and mother frantically ask for help.

06:54 | 05/14/2012

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/isabel-celis-brother-mother-call-911-16347357?tab=9482931&section=1206833
The brother's call was made apparently by a neighbor who handed the phone to the brother.  Now, why was that call placed unless the brother didn't know that dad had placed a call already?  This poor kid is really torn up.  Much different than dad.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on May 15, 2012, 11:09:37 AM
Isabel Celis' Brother and Mother Call 911

The missing Tuscon girl's brother and mother frantically ask for help.

06:54 | 05/14/2012

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/isabel-celis-brother-mother-call-911-16347357?tab=9482931&section=1206833

Heartbreaking!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 15, 2012, 11:13:42 AM
Dad got the clothing description wrong.  He said pink tank top and blue shorts.  Mom said American flag t-shirt and blue shorts.  I'd like to know which shirt LE found in the home.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 15, 2012, 11:37:17 AM
Isabel Celis' Father Calls 911
Sergio Celis describes how he found his daughter missing.
06:11 | 05/14/2012


http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/isabel-celis-father-calls-911-16347321?tab=9482931&section=1206833


Isabel Celis' Brother and Mother Call 911

The missing Tuscon girl's brother and mother frantically ask for help.

06:54 | 05/14/2012

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/isabel-celis-brother-mother-call-911-16347357?tab=9482931&section=1206833


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 15, 2012, 11:50:43 AM
Human remains found west of Tuscon near a ranch ---no suggestions as to this being a child, but thought I'd post it
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/body-found-near-ranch-west-of-tucson/article_959884b6-9d70-11e1-b173-0019bb2963f4.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Puzzler on May 15, 2012, 12:17:01 PM
Right Monkey King! And then the chuckle when he says that he told his wife to get het butt home....who does that when your child is missing? I had no hinkys going off before but I do now about dad! Mom seems completely heartbroken and frightened and innocent IMO...



That "chuckle" really got to me.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 15, 2012, 12:23:16 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/videos/raw-audio-sergio-celis-911-call-released-10253/

911 Operator: "What's your emergency?"

Sergio Celis: "I want to report a missing person. My little girl who's 6-years-old. I believe she was abducted from our house."

911 Operator: "Why do you think she was abducted?
Sergio Celis: "  I have no idea

Hello....?

This whole call is odd.



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 15, 2012, 12:27:44 PM
Human remains found west of Tuscon near a ranch ---no suggestions as to this being a child, but thought I'd post it
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/body-found-near-ranch-west-of-tucson/article_959884b6-9d70-11e1-b173-0019bb2963f4.html

Quote
Homicide detectives took over the investigation, and detectives said the remains appear to have been there for several months.
 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 15, 2012, 12:40:25 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/videos/raw-audio-sergio-celis-911-call-released-10253/

911 Operator: "What's your emergency?"

Sergio Celis: "I want to report a missing person. My little girl who's 6-years-old. I believe she was abducted from our house."

911 Operator: "Why do you think she was abducted?
Sergio Celis: "  I have no idea

Hello....?

This whole call is odd.



 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on May 15, 2012, 01:13:09 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/Isa%20Celis/isacupcake.jpg)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on May 15, 2012, 01:20:09 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/Isa%20Celis/isabel-celis-dog-cte.jpg)



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on May 15, 2012, 01:31:08 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/Isa%20Celis/isabday.jpg)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on May 15, 2012, 01:40:36 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/Isa%20Celis/isasnowball.jpg)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 15, 2012, 01:45:33 PM
I don't think I've ever heard someone describe a person's eye color as 'clear'.  You might say a person's eye's were clear as opposed to bloodshot but never in regards to a child. 

 :smt102


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on May 15, 2012, 03:09:13 PM
I don't think I've ever heard someone describe a person's eye color as 'clear'.  You might say a person's eye's were clear as opposed to bloodshot but never in regards to a child. 

 :smt102


Missed that! Who said that? Very odd way to describe eye color.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 15, 2012, 03:27:43 PM
Human remains found west of Tuscon near a ranch ---no suggestions as to this being a child, but thought I'd post it
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/body-found-near-ranch-west-of-tucson/article_959884b6-9d70-11e1-b173-0019bb2963f4.html

Quote
Homicide detectives took over the investigation, and detectives said the remains appear to have been there for several months.
 

Probably not Isabel, but hopefully this will provide answers to another grieving family.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: BabsKats on May 15, 2012, 03:29:31 PM
I don't think I've ever heard someone describe a person's eye color as 'clear'.  You might say a person's eye's were clear as opposed to bloodshot but never in regards to a child. 

 :smt102


Missed that! Who said that? Very odd way to describe eye color.


Cookie, it was when the 911 operator was asking Sergio for Isabel's physical discription, she asked for the color of her eyes, and he said "clear", she went on trying to get a color and he mumbled different colors till she said hazel, and he agreed.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 15, 2012, 03:46:22 PM
I don't think I've ever heard someone describe a person's eye color as 'clear'.  You might say a person's eye's were clear as opposed to bloodshot but never in regards to a child. 

 :smt102


Missed that! Who said that? Very odd way to describe eye color.


Cookie, it was when the 911 operator was asking Sergio for Isabel's physical discription, she asked for the color of her eyes, and he said "clear", she went on trying to get a color and he mumbled different colors till she said hazel, and he agreed.

Can anyone say DIM BULB?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on May 15, 2012, 04:03:28 PM
I don't think I've ever heard someone describe a person's eye color as 'clear'.  You might say a person's eye's were clear as opposed to bloodshot but never in regards to a child. 

 :smt102


Missed that! Who said that? Very odd way to describe eye color.


Cookie, it was when the 911 operator was asking Sergio for Isabel's physical discription, she asked for the color of her eyes, and he said "clear", she went on trying to get a color and he mumbled different colors till she said hazel, and he agreed.

Geez..I sure missed that part...thanks for the info....Sergio is a strange duck!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 15, 2012, 04:04:31 PM
I don't think I've ever heard someone describe a person's eye color as 'clear'.  You might say a person's eye's were clear as opposed to bloodshot but never in regards to a child. 

 :smt102


Missed that! Who said that? Very odd way to describe eye color.


Cookie, it was when the 911 operator was asking Sergio for Isabel's physical discription, she asked for the color of her eyes, and he said "clear", she went on trying to get a color and he mumbled different colors till she said hazel, and he agreed.

Can anyone say DIM BULB?

Just wondering if Sergio's 1st language is English.  Not making excuses, but sometimes if English is not your first language and you are in a panic, you lose control of your vocabulary.  I just asked a couple of my ESL kids and they said they didn't know a word for "hazel" in Spanish.  When I looked it up on Google translate, there is a word, but the kids said they had never heard it before. 

Anyway, not saying that the call wasn't a little strange, just looking at it from a different perspective.   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 15, 2012, 04:27:39 PM
http://www.kvoa.com/news/tucson-police-pima-sheriffs-scouring-wash-near-davis-monthan/ (http://www.kvoa.com/news/tucson-police-pima-sheriffs-scouring-wash-near-davis-monthan/)

Tucson Police, Pima Sheriffs scouring wash near Davis-Monthan

Posted: May 15, 2012 12:05 PM
Updated: May 15, 2012 12:13 PM

TUCSON - Pima County Sheriff's deputies are assisting Tucson Police with a search in the desert area near Davis-Monthan Air Force Base.

News 4 Tucson's Larissa Wohl is on the scene near Golf Links Road and Alvernon Way - she says there is a heavy presence of PCSD and TPD vehicles at the scene. Officials told her they have been out at the scene since about 8 a.m. this morning.

Since arriving at the scene, officials have been scouring the wash, and a helicopter has been circling the area overhead.

There is no word on whether or not this is related to the Isabel Celis investigation.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 15, 2012, 04:29:33 PM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151589955.html (http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151589955.html)

Police conducting secondary search in wash related to Celis case


CREATED 12:35 PM

Web Producer: Ina Ronquillo

TUCSON (KGUN9-TV) - Tucson Police are conducting a secondary search in a wash near Golf Links and Alvernon in their continuing search for missing 6-year-old Isabel Mercedes Celis.

Sgt. Maria Hawke has confirmed to KGUN9 that the search is related to the disappearance of Isabel Celis.  However, she says the secondary search is not uncommon in missing person cases.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 15, 2012, 04:37:05 PM
I thought that dad got the clothing description wrong but after discussing with Blink I did a search and found this.

(http://oldnavy.gap.com/assets/common/clear.gif)

So, maybe they were both correct.  I just didn't think mom would describe a top as 'old navy' and mean brand anything other than an old, navy colored shirt. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 15, 2012, 04:37:54 PM

Just wondering if Sergio's 1st language is English.  Not making excuses, but sometimes if English is not your first language and you are in a panic, you lose control of your vocabulary.  I just asked a couple of my ESL kids and they said they didn't know a word for "hazel" in Spanish.  When I looked it up on Google translate, there is a word, but the kids said they had never heard it before. 

Anyway, not saying that the call wasn't a little strange, just looking at it from a different perspective.   ::CowboySmiley::

Flutter

Good point.  My daughter has a lovely 16 year old home stay Korean student presently living with the family.  English has been Hunjin's second language for her entire life but ... at time she has difficulty expression herself clearly if she is excited.  She knows the right word in Korean but ...

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 15, 2012, 04:37:55 PM
Okay...the image didn't upload.  So here's the link for the page...
http://oldnavy.gap.com/browse/product.do?cid=80784&vid=1&pid=105686&scid=105686002

http://oldnavy.gap.com/assets/common/clear.gif


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 15, 2012, 04:43:11 PM
I thought that dad got the clothing description wrong but after discussing with Blink I did a search and found this.

(http://oldnavy.gap.com/assets/common/clear.gif)

So, maybe they were both correct.  I just didn't think mom would describe a top as 'old navy' and mean brand anything other than an old, navy colored shirt. 

Ten year old granddaughter and 9 year old grandson were dropped off last night while Mom and Dad went on a dinner date.  I just ask hubby to described what the kids were wearing.  He doesn't have a clue.

Janet

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 15, 2012, 05:00:01 PM
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2012/05/sergio-celis-deceptive-911-call.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on May 15, 2012, 05:16:05 PM
I don't think I've ever heard someone describe a person's eye color as 'clear'.  You might say a person's eye's were clear as opposed to bloodshot but never in regards to a child. 

 :smt102


Missed that! Who said that? Very odd way to describe eye color.


Cookie, it was when the 911 operator was asking Sergio for Isabel's physical discription, she asked for the color of her eyes, and he said "clear", she went on trying to get a color and he mumbled different colors till she said hazel, and he agreed.

Can anyone say DIM BULB?

Just wondering if Sergio's 1st language is English.  Not making excuses, but sometimes if English is not your first language and you are in a panic, you lose control of your vocabulary.  I just asked a couple of my ESL kids and they said they didn't know a word for "hazel" in Spanish.  When I looked it up on Google translate, there is a word, but the kids said they had never heard it before. 

Anyway, not saying that the call wasn't a little strange, just looking at it from a different perspective.   ::CowboySmiley::

BBM  I wondered the same thing.  Perhaps English isn't Sergio's first language.  Still, all in all, it was a very strange call.  I found the part about him saying he told her to get her "butt" home very disturbing. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 15, 2012, 05:21:40 PM

BBM  I wondered the same thing.  Perhaps English isn't Sergio's first language.  Still, all in all, it was a very strange call.  I found the part about him saying he told her to get her "butt" home very disturbing. 

... as well as the laugh.



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cecilita on May 15, 2012, 05:54:15 PM
in spanish, Latins don't use "hazel"... we say "ojos claros" clear eyes.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cecilita on May 15, 2012, 06:01:14 PM
did he tell to his wife "get your butt home" ? "I heard very often parents telling their kids "get your butt in bed" ...


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 15, 2012, 06:07:24 PM
in spanish, Latins don't use "hazel"... we say "ojos claros" clear eyes.

Thank you, cecilita, for your input.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 15, 2012, 06:07:47 PM
in spanish, Latins don't use "hazel"... we say "ojos claros" clear eyes.

Thank you Cecilita!  Figured it was something like that.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 15, 2012, 06:09:03 PM
did he tell to his wife "get your butt home" ? "I heard very often parents telling their kids "get your butt in bed" ...

He told the 911 operator that he told his wife to "get her butt home", then he chucked.  That was odd.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cecilita on May 15, 2012, 06:10:58 PM
You are welcome...I have a questions... is isabella's dad gay?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cecilita on May 15, 2012, 06:12:18 PM
did he tell to his wife "get your butt home" ? "I heard very often parents telling their kids "get your butt in bed" ...

He told the 911 operator that he told his wife to "get her butt home", then he chucked.  That was odd.
it sounds more like a "I am in trouble" or "we are in trouble" more than a father being desesperate for his missing kid


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 15, 2012, 06:33:04 PM
You are welcome...I have a questions... is isabella's dad gay?


Good question


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on May 15, 2012, 06:41:33 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/police-say-for-first-time-that-6-year-old-tucson-girl-missing-for-nearly-4-weeks-was-abducted/2012/05/15/gIQAUJB0RU_story.html
Police say for first time that 6-year-old Tucson girl missing for nearly 4 weeks was abducted
May 15, 2012

PHOENIX — Tucson, Ariz., police are saying for the first time that a 6-year-old girl who vanished from her home last month was abducted.

Investigators had previously characterized Isabel Mercedes Celis’ disappearance as a “suspicious disappearance/possible abduction.”
Police spokeswoman Maria Hawke says it was an abduction after investigators determined the girl didn’t leave her home alone and after they reviewed the evidence. She declined to comment further.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 15, 2012, 06:53:56 PM
did he tell to his wife "get your butt home" ? "I heard very often parents telling their kids "get your butt in bed" ...

He told the 911 operator that he told his wife to "get her butt home", then he chucked.  That was odd.

Reminds me of Zahra Baker's father's "Hey, how ya doing?"  I totally dispels the urgency of the situation?   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 15, 2012, 07:31:15 PM
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2012/05/sergio-celis-deceptive-911-call.html

Monkey King- please do not take this personally, we should evaluate all information in relation to a case.

But honestly, this dude is on my last nerve with his irresponsible "analysis".  I have seen his early work, and some of it was stellar.  To call out like 3 sentences, and pull a pronoun usage of a person whose first language is CLEARLY not English, and analyze it is flat out unprofessional, imo.

Nothing in context with known factual information,  no updates when he is wrong or no new facts come to light,  freezes my shorts I tell ya.

It is like shooting darts with a blindfold any more.  He is bound to hit something.

It is no secret I feel Sergio knows more than he is saying,  but in terms of investigative analysis,  I just feel the victim deserves better when someone is reporting professionally.

I know at BOC, and here, we are all a tad frustrated at the inaccuracies being written, but when it is strictly interpretive, there is no excuse.

ppppffffttt.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 15, 2012, 07:47:45 PM
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2012/05/sergio-celis-deceptive-911-call.html

Monkey King- please do not take this personally, we should evaluate all information in relation to a case.

But honestly, this dude is on my last nerve with his irresponsible "analysis".  I have seen his early work, and some of it was stellar.  To call out like 3 sentences, and pull a pronoun usage of a person whose first language is CLEARLY not English, and analyze it is flat out unprofessional, imo.

Nothing in context with known factual information,  no updates when he is wrong or no new facts come to light,  freezes my shorts I tell ya.

It is like shooting darts with a blindfold any more.  He is bound to hit something.

It is no secret I feel Sergio knows more than he is saying,  but in terms of investigative analysis,  I just feel the victim deserves better when someone is reporting professionally.

I know at BOC, and here, we are all a tad frustrated at the inaccuracies being written, but when it is strictly interpretive, there is no excuse.

ppppffffttt.

Not to play pile-on Monkey King, but I agree with Blink about the microscopic interpretations of grammar and linguistics  that come from this site.  I am an English teacher (believe it or not), and I wouldn't want anyone to analyze my outburst especially when under stress.  I also work with ESL students and some of the things that they come up with while trying desperately to communicate in a second language is sometimes funny and sometimes unintelligible.  And you can get the same  garbled grammar from anyone  who comes from a socially disadvantaged family.  Jest mye too sense! (Haha_ 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 15, 2012, 07:54:17 PM
Just want to say again to Monkey King,  please do not think this about you for posting the link, it is relative and pertinent for review. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 15, 2012, 07:58:43 PM
 ::MonkeyBike:: Absolutely, that's why I posted it.

I don't believe any of these talking heads 100% anyway!

No offense taken guys.  ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 15, 2012, 07:59:04 PM
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Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 15, 2012, 08:38:14 PM
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Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 15, 2012, 09:15:51 PM
Thank you, Klaas for the heads up!!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 15, 2012, 09:28:00 PM
in spanish, Latins don't use "hazel"... we say "ojos claros" clear eyes.
Ok.  I didn't know that.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on May 15, 2012, 09:48:02 PM
not sure as the article said if related,but if it is,good news,its near a AFB,lots of sensors
and cameras,and cam bots(like mars rover,or bomb sniffer),all Mbases,have super
security now
this is 5 mi from 5602 E.12th,the celis home

http://www.kvoa.com/news/tucson-police-pima-sheriffs-scouring-wash-near-davis-monthan/
TUCSON - Pima County Sheriff's deputies are assisting Tucson Police with a search in the desert area near Davis-Monthan Air Force Base.
News 4 Tucson's Larissa Wohl is on the scene near Golf Links Road and Alvernon Way - she says there is a heavy presence of PCSD and TPD vehicles at the scene
http://g.co/maps/xjsxz

near Golf Links Road and Alvernon Way
http://g.co/maps/ct6u2


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 15, 2012, 10:00:48 PM
not sure as the article said if related,but if it is,good news,its near a AFB,lots of sensors
and cameras,and cam bots(like mars rover,or bomb sniffer),all Mbases,have super
security now
this is 5 mi from 5602 E.12th,the celis home

http://www.kvoa.com/news/tucson-police-pima-sheriffs-scouring-wash-near-davis-monthan/
TUCSON - Pima County Sheriff's deputies are assisting Tucson Police with a search in the desert area near Davis-Monthan Air Force Base.
News 4 Tucson's Larissa Wohl is on the scene near Golf Links Road and Alvernon Way - she says there is a heavy presence of PCSD and TPD vehicles at the scene
http://g.co/maps/xjsxz

near Golf Links Road and Alvernon Way
http://g.co/maps/ct6u2

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I think this focus implies something may be up.  Maybe somebody has broken and is revealing all.

Thanks cw618.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 15, 2012, 10:19:49 PM
I do believe they have zeroed in on a suspect, but I would not expect to hear anything public.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 15, 2012, 11:02:43 PM
Maybe Sergio's no contact order with his sons and ... the latest search imply that Cousin/Uncle Justin has been offered a plea deal and is revealing all.

Janet
7:55 PM PT

++++++

The Smoking Gun?

Could it be that the footage investigators gleaned from the Moore surveillance camera focused on the Celis residence revealed ....

01.  6:30 AM - The Celis dogs barking at unknown person walking on the pathway outside the property wall.

02.  7:00 AM - Becky leaving  - getting into a vehicle - driving away.

03.  Uncle/Cousin Justin arriving in a vehicle.

04.  Justin being let into the home.

05.  Justin leaving carrying a large duffle bag.

06.  Justin placing the large duffle bag into his vehicle and driving away.

07.  7:20 AM - Activity happening in the area of Isabel's bedroom window.

08.  8:00 AM - Justin returning.

09.  Justin and Sergio going through the motions of searching.

10.  Brothers searching.

11.  8:14 AM - Becky arriving home.

12.  The first responders arriving.


Uncle: Isabel's parents glad they went on TV
Posted: May 03, 2012 2:11 PM PDT
Updated: May 03, 2012 4:20 PM PDT


Tucson Police confirmed today that the parents took polygraph tests early in the investigation.

Sgt. Maria Hawke said at a press conference, "It is accurate that the parents have done polygraph tests," but those results will not be shared.

<snipped>

TPD says they are not able to release any additional surveillance video at this time.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18115892/tpd-parents-have-taken-polygraph-test


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 15, 2012, 11:07:07 PM
SELF EDIT - MY LAST POST

The Celis dogs barking at unknown person s/b The Celis dogs barking at unknown persons


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: grace-land on May 15, 2012, 11:26:00 PM
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/15/family-friend-defends-isabel-celis-dad

Family friend defends Isabel Celis’ dad
By HLNtv.com Staff
updated 6:57 PM EDT, Tue May 15, 2012

 ::snipping2::
In the call, released by Tucson Police Monday, Celis can be heard laughing when he says he called Isabel’s mother and told her to “get her butt home” after he went to wake the girl and she was missing from her bed.
 
Family friend Joe Vega told Grace, “He’s laughing because he said the word ‘butt.’” According to Vega, Celis never swears and he may have been laughing because he caught himself saying a word he usually wouldn’t.
 ::snipping2::
Sergio Celis is not a suspect in his daughter’s disappearance and has not been accused of a crime. According to Vega, Isabel’s mother and brothers are “outraged” that he is currently not allowed to have contact with his sons.
 
“Becky and the boys do not believe Sergio was involved in any way,” he said.
 
Vega said those scrutinizing Sergio Celis’ behavior do not know him and have not heard the man break down and cry on the phone like he has.

“There’s six billion people on the planet. Are they all supposed to act the same?”


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 15, 2012, 11:44:28 PM
Any updates?  There is a photo of the activity at the link.  cw618 informed that this area is a 5 minute drive from the Celis home.

Janet

++++

Tucson Police, Pima Sheriffs scouring wash near Davis-Monthan
Posted: May 15, 2012 12:05 PM
Updated: May 15, 2012 1:24 PM


TUCSON - Pima County Sheriff's deputies are assisting Tucson Police with a search in the desert area near Davis-Monthan Air Force Base.

News 4 Tucson's Larissa Wohl is on the scene near Golf Links Road and Alvernon Way - she says there is a heavy presence of PCSD and TPD vehicles at the scene. Officials told her they have been out at the scene since about 8 a.m. this morning.

Since arriving at the scene, officials have been scouring the wash, and a helicopter has been circling the area overhead.

<snipped>

http://www.kvoa.com/news/tucson-police-pima-sheriffs-scouring-wash-near-davis-monthan/

Credit: cw618


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 15, 2012, 11:46:15 PM
I hope that the latest happenings do not result in Sergio taking his life.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 16, 2012, 12:08:20 AM
 :smt102

Police: Isabel Celis' dad was alone with her
8:29 PM, May 14, 2012


TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) - Authorities say the father of a missing Tucson girl was alone with her when she disappeared. But police say that doesn't mean he's a suspect.

Authorities have been searching for 6-year-old Isabel Mercedes Celis since she was reported missing the morning of April 21.

At a news conference Monday, Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor says investigators have confirmed that the girl's mother went to work that morning and Sergio Celis later reported Isabel missing from her bedroom.

<snipped>

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/320017/28/Police-Missing-AZ-girls-dad-was-alone-with-her
 



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 16, 2012, 12:31:29 AM
:smt102

Police: Isabel Celis' dad was alone with her
8:29 PM, May 14, 2012


TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) - Authorities say the father of a missing Tucson girl was alone with her when she disappeared. But police say that doesn't mean he's a suspect.

Authorities have been searching for 6-year-old Isabel Mercedes Celis since she was reported missing the morning of April 21.

At a news conference Monday, Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor says investigators have confirmed that the girl's mother went to work that morning and Sergio Celis later reported Isabel missing from her bedroom.

<snipped>

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/320017/28/Police-Missing-AZ-girls-dad-was-alone-with-her
 



 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyQuestion::

Wonder which "authority" said that......


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cecilita on May 16, 2012, 12:45:41 AM
:smt102

Police: Isabel Celis' dad was alone with her
8:29 PM, May 14, 2012


TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) - Authorities say the father of a missing Tucson girl was alone with her when she disappeared. But police say that doesn't mean he's a suspect.

Authorities have been searching for 6-year-old Isabel Mercedes Celis since she was reported missing the morning of April 21.

At a news conference Monday, Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor says investigators have confirmed that the girl's mother went to work that morning and Sergio Celis later reported Isabel missing from her bedroom.

<snipped>

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/320017/28/Police-Missing-AZ-girls-dad-was-alone-with-her
 



 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyQuestion::

Wonder which "authority" said that......
where were the two boys?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cecilita on May 16, 2012, 12:50:41 AM
You are welcome...I have a questions... is isabella's dad gay?


Good question
yesterday I saw him on TV for the first time and I noticed that he acts a little bit feminine ::piggy:: imo ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: melisb on May 16, 2012, 02:43:54 AM
I'm beginning to think Sergio didn't make it home with Isa or he put a deceased Isa in that car till he could carry her off. Maybe he came in without her, did not wanna wake mom and slept in rm next to her's so he could keep anyone out till morning.  I'm thinking the eldest son somehow checked on Isa and found out she wasn't home but was being led by his father in what to say, possibly even threatened. That could be the reason for Sergio's removal from his fam. Could poor little Isa have rather sleep w/her bros instead of her own rm because she was being bothered by her father or someone at night?????  Did the camers around the home show an absence of Isa's arrival home that night??????  If this search going on now results in finding her or clues to her disappearance did Sergio swing by there on his way home from the ball field to dispose of something ???????


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: BabsKats on May 16, 2012, 03:31:08 AM
I'm beginning to think Sergio didn't make it home with Isa or he put a deceased Isa in that car till he could carry her off. Maybe he came in without her, did not wanna wake mom and slept in rm next to her's so he could keep anyone out till morning.  I'm thinking the eldest son somehow checked on Isa and found out she wasn't home but was being led by his father in what to say, possibly even threatened. That could be the reason for Sergio's removal from his fam. Could poor little Isa have rather sleep w/her bros instead of her own rm because she was being bothered by her father or someone at night?????  Did the camers around the home show an absence of Isa's arrival home that night??????  If this search going on now results in finding her or clues to her disappearance did Sergio swing by there on his way home from the ball field to dispose of something ???????

But......Mom did state that she had braided Isa's hair before she went off to bed around 11pm, so she would be ready for her ball game early the next morning.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KCJackie on May 16, 2012, 03:31:46 AM
I'm beginning to think Sergio didn't make it home with Isa or he put a deceased Isa in that car till he could carry her off. Maybe he came in without her, did not wanna wake mom and slept in rm next to her's so he could keep anyone out till morning.  I'm thinking the eldest son somehow checked on Isa and found out she wasn't home but was being led by his father in what to say, possibly even threatened. That could be the reason for Sergio's removal from his fam. Could poor little Isa have rather sleep w/her bros instead of her own rm because she was being bothered by her father or someone at night?????  Did the camers around the home show an absence of Isa's arrival home that night??????  If this search going on now results in finding her or clues to her disappearance did Sergio swing by there on his way home from the ball field to dispose of something ???????


Didn't mom braid her hair when she got home that night???   :smt102


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: melisb on May 16, 2012, 05:31:36 AM
I'm sorry I meant to add the only prob with my theory is the braiding of the hair. I believe Mom and I hope that she wouldn't lie for Sergio. I am on a sm tab and it takes me so long to type that I seem to loose my train of thought. In that statement should also read that if Isa did make it home did dad stay next to her rm and do something to her or collaborate with someone to take her for some reason? Then the part abt the son and the search area wld follow this sentence. Sorry, and thank u for letting me see I didn't put all my thoughts down. Hit one wrong area and BAM!!! u will lose all u wrote in a nano second and u start all over. I will wait to post a paragragh when on hm pc!!!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: redquartz on May 16, 2012, 05:58:00 AM
Maybe Sergio's no contact order with his sons and ... the latest search imply that Cousin/Uncle Justin has been offered a plea deal and is revealing all.

Janet
7:55 PM PT

++++++

The Smoking Gun?

Could it be that the footage investigators gleaned from the Moore surveillance camera focused on the Celis residence revealed ....

01.  6:30 AM - The Celis dogs barking at unknown person walking on the pathway outside the property wall.

02.  7:00 AM - Becky leaving  - getting into a vehicle - driving away.

03.  Uncle/Cousin Justin arriving in a vehicle.

04.  Justin being let into the home.

05.  Justin leaving carrying a large duffle bag.

06.  Justin placing the large duffle bag into his vehicle and driving away.

07.  7:20 AM - Activity happening in the area of Isabel's bedroom window.

08.  8:00 AM - Justin returning.

09.  Justin and Sergio going through the motions of searching.

10.  Brothers searching.

11.  8:14 AM - Becky arriving home.

12.  The first responders arriving.


Uncle: Isabel's parents glad they went on TV
Posted: May 03, 2012 2:11 PM PDT
Updated: May 03, 2012 4:20 PM PDT


Tucson Police confirmed today that the parents took polygraph tests early in the investigation.

Sgt. Maria Hawke said at a press conference, "It is accurate that the parents have done polygraph tests," but those results will not be shared.

<snipped>

TPD says they are not able to release any additional surveillance video at this time.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18115892/tpd-parents-have-taken-polygraph-test


#5 and #6 above......How big was that duffel bag, could it be that Isa was inside it?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on May 16, 2012, 07:07:55 AM
it is now Golf Links Road and Swan Road ,instead of  Golf Links Road and Alvernon Way

Police: Wash search near D-M is related to Celis case
 05/15/2012 01:23 PM
 ::snipping2::
TUCSON - Police have confirmed that the search activity in a wash near Davis-Monthan Air Force Base is related to the case of missing 6-year-old Isabel Celis.
 
News 4 Tucson's Larissa Wohl is on the scene near Golf Links Road and Swan Road - she says there is a heavy presence of PCSD and TPD vehicles at the scene. Officials told her they have been out at the scene since about 8 a.m. this morning.
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/ (http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/)
-----------------------
 Golf Links Road and Alvernon Way
 ::snipping2::
News 4 Tucson's Larissa Wohl is on the scene near Golf Links Road and Alvernon Way - she says there is a heavy presence of PCSD and TPD vehicles at the scene. Officials told her they have been out at the scene since about 8 a.m. this morning.
http://www.kvoa.com/news/tucson-police-pima-sheriffs-scouring-wash-near-davis-monthan/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on May 16, 2012, 07:16:40 AM
fortgot the map link ,its still close to Golf Links Road and Alvernon Way

Golf Links Road and Swan Road
http://g.co/maps/tqek8

and SC is at moms down the street,so i guess the other celis was related

Neighbors have mixed feelings about search for Isabel
 ::snipping2::
Sergio, Isa's father, is staying up the street at his mother's home. Neighbors say you can see him coming and going late at night or early in the morning, otherwise, they don't see him much. The talk in the neighborhood though revolves around the 911 calls.
vid at link
http://www.kvoa.com/videos/neighbors-have-mixed-feelings-about-search-for-isabel/ (http://www.kvoa.com/videos/neighbors-have-mixed-feelings-about-search-for-isabel/)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Samantha on May 16, 2012, 07:22:18 AM

#5 and #6 above......How big was that duffel bag, could it be that Isa was inside it?

I think that was Tamikosmom's guess at what happened last night.. Not all those things are known at this moment.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on May 16, 2012, 07:54:00 AM
i think i messed up the other link,here is a better link to, Golf Links Road and Swan Road
http://g.co/maps/6untf


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on May 16, 2012, 07:58:36 AM
man i need more caffeine,i just noticed those search area,is near freedom park
the last place isa was seen by non fam members

http://g.co/maps/8hkxv


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on May 16, 2012, 08:33:44 AM
I hope that the latest happenings do not result in Sergio taking his life.

Janet


Janet..the same thought had crossed my mind too!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 16, 2012, 09:27:06 AM
:smt102

Police: Isabel Celis' dad was alone with her
8:29 PM, May 14, 2012


TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) - Authorities say the father of a missing Tucson girl was alone with her when she disappeared. But police say that doesn't mean he's a suspect.

Authorities have been searching for 6-year-old Isabel Mercedes Celis since she was reported missing the morning of April 21.

At a news conference Monday, Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor says investigators have confirmed that the girl's mother went to work that morning and Sergio Celis later reported Isabel missing from her bedroom.

<snipped>

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/320017/28/Police-Missing-AZ-girls-dad-was-alone-with-her
 



 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyQuestion::

Wonder which "authority" said that......
where were the two boys?


I think the whole explanation is poorly written.  If taken literally, that would mean  that whatever happened to Isabel happened between 7, when mom left, and 8, when 911 calls were made.  It is also discounting the presence of the two brothers, as noted by others, and Justin, if he indeed arrived at the house early that morning.  Hopefully, a more clear explanation will be forthcoming.   ::piggy::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 16, 2012, 09:34:15 AM
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/ (http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/)

Latest Update Neighbors have mixed feelings about search for Isabel

05/15/2012 08:50 PM
 ::snipping2::
Sergio, Isa's father, is staying up the street at his mother's home. Neighbors say you can see him coming and going late at night or early in the morning, otherwise, they don't see him much. The talk in the neighborhood though revolves around the 911 calls.


Parents at 5701 12th - very very close

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/570112th.jpg)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: dagnabbit on May 16, 2012, 09:58:29 AM
What is going on with the morning timeline? Seems I recall Becky either being on time, or arriving at work at 7:30am (shift should begin at 7am). The bringisahome website used to say she left for work at 7am, now says 6:30, since tapes were released. What time did Becky leave the house???

Edit to add link to website.  We always need links back. MB  http://bringisahome.com/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 16, 2012, 10:12:12 AM
I hope that the latest happenings do not result in Sergio taking his life.

Janet


Janet..the same thought had crossed my mind too!

Agreed.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 16, 2012, 10:12:20 AM
I'm beginning to think Sergio didn't make it home with Isa or he put a deceased Isa in that car till he could carry her off. Maybe he came in without her, did not wanna wake mom and slept in rm next to her's so he could keep anyone out till morning.  I'm thinking the eldest son somehow checked on Isa and found out she wasn't home but was being led by his father in what to say, possibly even threatened. That could be the reason for Sergio's removal from his fam. Could poor little Isa have rather sleep w/her bros instead of her own rm because she was being bothered by her father or someone at night?????  Did the camers around the home show an absence of Isa's arrival home that night??????   If this search going on now results in finding her or clues to her disappearance did Sergio swing by there on his way home from the ball field to dispose of something ???????


Food for thought.  Considering Becky claims she braiding Isabel's hair ... the implication would be that she is covering for Sergio.

melisb ... I am convinced that the Moore surviellance is the smoking gun that reveals all the activity taking place at the Celis residence in the time frame between the baseball game and the 8:14 AM 911 call.  This is why I suspectt hat a live Isabel did return home with her Dad around 10:30 AM on the evening prior to being reported missing.  Otherwise ... an arrest would have been forthcoming.  I could be wrong.  Story of my life.

Could it be that something happen to Isabel in the timeframe between going to bed following her Mom braiding her hair and Sergio going to bed?  He claims in the 911 recording that he fell asleep watching a game on TV.

Could a coverup have taken place in the timeframe between Becky's departure to work at 7:00 AM and waking the boys at 8:00 AM ... a coverup that involved the summoning of Uncle/Cousin Justin for assistance.

Is this why the police canine made a hit?

Janet



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 16, 2012, 10:15:47 AM
What is going on with the morning timeline? Seems I recall Becky either being on time, or arriving at work at 7:30am (shift should begin at 7am). The bringisahome website used to say she left for work at 7am, now says 6:30, since tapes were released. What time did Becky leave the house???
Edit to add link to website.  We always need links back. MB  http://bringisahome.com/

According to Becky on her 911 call, she left at 7:00.  I can only speculate as to why the website would have changed the time that she left.  It is the one consistent that has been reported in this case.  It now may be that Becky has changed her mind or that the time of her departure needs to be edited to fit into the timeline that is being established to possibly cover up what really has happened to Isabel.  Whichever it is, you can be sure the LE has checked her place of employment as well any other sources that would show when she actually left.  

http://www.ksdk.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1638972375001 (http://www.ksdk.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1638972375001)

And welcome to the cage, Dagnabit!  


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on May 16, 2012, 10:23:35 AM
I think we need better information and reporting in this case.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Shout out to dagnabbit.  (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/welcome.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 16, 2012, 10:37:12 AM
Maybe Sergio's no contact order with his sons and ... the latest search imply that Cousin/Uncle Justin has been offered a plea deal and is revealing all.

Janet
7:55 PM PT

++++++

The Smoking Gun?

Could it be that the footage investigators gleaned from the Moore surveillance camera focused on the Celis residence revealed ....

01.  10:30 PM - Dad and Isabel arriving home from baseball game.

02.  6:30 AM - The Celis dogs barking at unknown persons walking on the pathway outside the property wall.

03.  7:00 AM - Becky leaving  - getting into a vehicle - driving away.

04.  7:10 - Uncle/Cousin Justin arriving in a vehicle.

05.  Justin being let into the home.

06.  Justin leaving carrying a large duffle bag.

07.  Justin placing the large duffle bag into his vehicle and driving away.

08.  7:20 AM - Activity happening in the area of Isabel's bedroom window.

09.  8:00 AM - Justin returning.

10.  Justin and Sergio going through the motions of searching.

11.  Brothers searching.

12.  8:14 AM - Becky arriving home.

13.  The first responders arriving.


Uncle: Isabel's parents glad they went on TV
Posted: May 03, 2012 2:11 PM PDT
Updated: May 03, 2012 4:20 PM PDT


Tucson Police confirmed today that the parents took polygraph tests early in the investigation.

Sgt. Maria Hawke said at a press conference, "It is accurate that the parents have done polygraph tests," but those results will not be shared.

<snipped>

TPD says they are not able to release any additional surveillance video at this time.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18115892/tpd-parents-have-taken-polygraph-test



The above is only a theory of what the Moore surveillance may have captured in the timeframe between Isabel and her Dad's arrival home at 10:30 PM and the arrival of the first responders prior on the morning that Isabel was reported missing.

Think about it.  According to Rick Moore on NG ... his surveillance system capture Justin and Sergio outside the residence at 8:00 AM.  Also ... according to the neighbor on NG it was Justin along with a policeman who came knocking at her door a short time later.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 16, 2012, 10:40:33 AM
I think we need better information and reporting in this case.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Shout out to dagnabbit.  (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/welcome.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Fo' Sho', MuffyBee!

Perhaps something did occur following the hair braiding by Rebecca, possibly semi-known by the older brother.  I'm guessing the older brother was privy to suspicious behavoir by the father.

Sergio could very well have sat outside Isabel's room waiting for someone to come over and help him tidy things up, discussing what happened or making plans to remove Isa (without taking her through the home with the potential of Rebecca or the boys witnessing this), behind the home- alerting the neighbor's dogs.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 16, 2012, 10:54:03 AM
What is going on with the morning timeline? Seems I recall Becky either being on time, or arriving at work at 7:30am (shift should begin at 7am). The bringisahome website used to say she left for work at 7am, now says 6:30, since tapes were released. What time did Becky leave the house???
Edit to add link to website.  We always need links back. MB  http://bringisahome.com/

Welcome to the cage dagnabbit.

Do you have a link to the bringisahome website?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 16, 2012, 11:51:40 AM
What is going on with the morning timeline? Seems I recall Becky either being on time, or arriving at work at 7:30am (shift should begin at 7am). The bringisahome website used to say she left for work at 7am, now says 6:30, since tapes were released. What time did Becky leave the house???
Edit to add link to website.  We always need links back. MB  http://bringisahome.com/

Welcome to the cage dagnabbit.

Do you have a link to the bringisahome website?

Thanks

Janet

Janet - I think this is it:  http://bringisahome.com/ (http://bringisahome.com/)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: MuffyBee on May 16, 2012, 11:55:14 AM
What is going on with the morning timeline? Seems I recall Becky either being on time, or arriving at work at 7:30am (shift should begin at 7am). The bringisahome website used to say she left for work at 7am, now says 6:30, since tapes were released. What time did Becky leave the house???
Edit to add link to website.  We always need links back. MB  http://bringisahome.com/

Welcome to the cage dagnabbit.

Do you have a link to the bringisahome website?

Thanks

Janet

Janet - I think this is it:  http://bringisahome.com/ (http://bringisahome.com/)

Thank you for supplying the link flutter1.  ::bee::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 16, 2012, 12:00:17 PM
What is going on with the morning timeline? Seems I recall Becky either being on time, or arriving at work at 7:30am (shift should begin at 7am). The bringisahome website used to say she left for work at 7am, now says 6:30, since tapes were released. What time did Becky leave the house???
Edit to add link to website.  We always need links back. MB  http://bringisahome.com/

Welcome to the cage dagnabbit.

Do you have a link to the bringisahome website?

Thanks

Janet

Janet - I think this is it:  http://bringisahome.com/ (http://bringisahome.com/)

Thanks Flutter.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 16, 2012, 12:21:51 PM
Could it be Sergio's no contact order with his sons and ... the latest search which is a 5 minute drive from the Celis residence imply that Cousin/Uncle Justin has been offered a plea deal and is revealing all.

Janet
7:55 PM PT


If Justin took part in a cover up of wrongdoing ... would he be eligible for the reward

Janet

+++++

Police search desert north of D-M for evidence in Celis case
Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:23 pm


Tucson police and sheriff’s deputies are searching the desert north of Davis Monthan Air Force Base for anything of “evidentiary value” related to the Isabel Celis case.

<snipped>

This happened after detectives developed information pertaining to the welfare of the boys and shared it with CPS. Villaseñor would not elaborate on the information developed by detectives.

CPS and investigators met with Isabel's parents on Thursday, and the decision for Sergio Celis to stay away from his sons was made Friday.

The boys are now staying with their mother, Villaseñor said.

<snipped>

The 88-CRIME reward for information leading to an arrest in Isabel's disappearance has been increased to $50,500, of which $49,500 is from private donations.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/police-search-desert-north-of-d-m-for-evidence-in/article_2862dfba-f90b-560a-bc5b-28688eda8e04.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 16, 2012, 12:26:10 PM
YW - MuffyBee and Tamikosmom.  You would do the same for me.  I wonder if there is a google cache showing the previous reference to 7:00? ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 16, 2012, 12:32:17 PM
Could it be Sergio's no contact order with his sons and ... the latest search which is a 5 minute drive from the Celis residence imply that Cousin/Uncle Justin has been offered a plea deal and is revealing all.

Janet
7:55 PM PT


 If Justin took part in a cover up of wrongdoing ... would he be eligible for the reward

Janet

+++++

Police search desert north of D-M for evidence in Celis case
Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:23 pm


Tucson police and sheriff’s deputies are searching the desert north of Davis Monthan Air Force Base for anything of “evidentiary value” related to the Isabel Celis case.

<snipped>

This happened after detectives developed information pertaining to the welfare of the boys and shared it with CPS. Villaseñor would not elaborate on the information developed by detectives.

CPS and investigators met with Isabel's parents on Thursday, and the decision for Sergio Celis to stay away from his sons was made Friday.

The boys are now staying with their mother, Villaseñor said.

<snipped>

The 88-CRIME reward for information leading to an arrest in Isabel's disappearance has been increased to $50,500, of which $49,500 is from private donations.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/police-search-desert-north-of-d-m-for-evidence-in/article_2862dfba-f90b-560a-bc5b-28688eda8e04.html


No.  IF he was a part of any wrongdoing, he would be looking at charges himself.

They may tell the judge he cooperated with the investigation, gave them reliable information and the court may go a little easier on him, but there is no excuse or reward for his involvement.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 16, 2012, 12:38:31 PM
What is going on with the morning timeline? Seems I recall Becky either being on time, or arriving at work at 7:30am (shift should begin at 7am). The bringisahome website used to say she left for work at 7am, now says 6:30, since tapes were released. What time did Becky leave the house???
Edit to add link to website.  We always need links back. MB  http://bringisahome.com/

According to Becky on her 911 call, she left at 7:00.  I can only speculate as to why the website would have changed the time that she left.  It is the one consistent that has been reported in this case.  It now may be that Becky has changed her mind or that the time of her departure needs to be edited to fit into the timeline that is being established to possibly cover up what really has happened to Isabel.  Whichever it is, you can be sure the LE has checked her place of employment as well any other sources that would show when she actually left.  

http://www.ksdk.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1638972375001 (http://www.ksdk.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1638972375001)

And welcome to the cage, Dagnabit!  

flutter, I believe she meant 7am shift, not that she left at 7.  In general the pediatric rounds are 7AM to 7PM,  so to be there in time to review cases with the night RN team, she likely left somewhere between 6:15 and 6:30 am.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 16, 2012, 12:46:21 PM
Could it be Sergio's no contact order with his sons and ... the latest search which is a 5 minute drive from the Celis residence imply that Cousin/Uncle Justin has been offered a plea deal and is revealing all.

Janet
7:55 PM PT


 If Justin took part in a cover up of wrongdoing ... would he be eligible for the reward

Janet

+++++

Police search desert north of D-M for evidence in Celis case
Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:23 pm


Tucson police and sheriff’s deputies are searching the desert north of Davis Monthan Air Force Base for anything of “evidentiary value” related to the Isabel Celis case.

<snipped>

This happened after detectives developed information pertaining to the welfare of the boys and shared it with CPS. Villaseñor would not elaborate on the information developed by detectives.

CPS and investigators met with Isabel's parents on Thursday, and the decision for Sergio Celis to stay away from his sons was made Friday.

The boys are now staying with their mother, Villaseñor said.

<snipped>

The 88-CRIME reward for information leading to an arrest in Isabel's disappearance has been increased to $50,500, of which $49,500 is from private donations.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/police-search-desert-north-of-d-m-for-evidence-in/article_2862dfba-f90b-560a-bc5b-28688eda8e04.html


No.  IF he was a part of any wrongdoing, he would be looking at charges himself.

They may tell the judge he cooperated with the investigation, gave them reliable information and the court may go a little easier on him, but there is no excuse or reward for his involvement.

Thanks Monkey King.

As far as charges.  Could it be that Justin may have been offered a plea deal in exchange for the truth involving any participation he may have had in the coverup?

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 16, 2012, 12:48:18 PM
Could it be Sergio's no contact order with his sons and ... the latest search which is a 5 minute drive from the Celis residence imply that Cousin/Uncle Justin has been offered a plea deal and is revealing all.

Janet
7:55 PM PT


If Justin took part in a cover up of wrongdoing ... would he be eligible for the reward

Janet

+++++

Police search desert north of D-M for evidence in Celis case
Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:23 pm


Tucson police and sheriff’s deputies are searching the desert north of Davis Monthan Air Force Base for anything of “evidentiary value” related to the Isabel Celis case.

<snipped>

This happened after detectives developed information pertaining to the welfare of the boys and shared it with CPS. Villaseñor would not elaborate on the information developed by detectives.

CPS and investigators met with Isabel's parents on Thursday, and the decision for Sergio Celis to stay away from his sons was made Friday.

The boys are now staying with their mother, Villaseñor said.

<snipped>

The 88-CRIME reward for information leading to an arrest in Isabel's disappearance has been increased to $50,500, of which $49,500 is from private donations.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/police-search-desert-north-of-d-m-for-evidence-in/article_2862dfba-f90b-560a-bc5b-28688eda8e04.html


BBM - This is similar to what was done in the Hailey Dunn case with her older brother David.  CPS goes in and "gently" suggests that the children be taken out of a potentially dangerous environment.  In this case, the easiest thing to do was have Sergio move and leave the children in the family home.  This type of arrangement has no legal enforcement behind it and Sergio could move back in if he wanted at any time.  Then CPS would have to take their evidence of concern for the welfare of the children before a judge, and he can make an enforceable order  if he deems it appropriate.   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 16, 2012, 01:04:48 PM
Could it be Sergio's no contact order with his sons and ... the latest search which is a 5 minute drive from the Celis residence imply that Cousin/Uncle Justin has been offered a plea deal and is revealing all.

Janet
7:55 PM PT


If Justin took part in a cover up of wrongdoing ... would he be eligible for the reward

Janet

+++++

Police search desert north of D-M for evidence in Celis case
Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:23 pm


Tucson police and sheriff’s deputies are searching the desert north of Davis Monthan Air Force Base for anything of “evidentiary value” related to the Isabel Celis case.

<snipped>

This happened after detectives developed information pertaining to the welfare of the boys and shared it with CPS. Villaseñor would not elaborate on the information developed by detectives.

CPS and investigators met with Isabel's parents on Thursday, and the decision for Sergio Celis to stay away from his sons was made Friday.

The boys are now staying with their mother, Villaseñor said.

<snipped>

The 88-CRIME reward for information leading to an arrest in Isabel's disappearance has been increased to $50,500, of which $49,500 is from private donations.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/police-search-desert-north-of-d-m-for-evidence-in/article_2862dfba-f90b-560a-bc5b-28688eda8e04.html


BBM - This is similar to what was done in the Hailey Dunn case with her older brother David.  CPS goes in and "gently" suggests that the children be taken out of a potentially dangerous environment.  In this case, the easiest thing to do was have Sergio move and leave the children in the family home.  This type of arrangement has no legal enforcement behind it and Sergio could move back in if he wanted at any time.  Then CPS would have to take their evidence of concern for the welfare of the children before a judge, and he can make an enforceable order  if he deems it appropriate.   ::CowboySmiley::

Exactly, Flutter1.

@Tamikosmom~

Sure, they can do whatever it takes to get Isabel back, prosecute those responsible and close out the case.

If Justin rolls over on Sergio, and that brings this case to it's conclusion, they'll consider that at trial.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 16, 2012, 01:08:40 PM
Becky did not leave for work at 7:00 AM?  I have changed the timeline in my theory accordingly.

Janet

++++

The Moore Surveilance Footage?

Could it be that the footage investigators gleaned from the Moore surveillance camera which was focused on the Celis residence revealed ....

01.  10:30 PM - Dad and Isabel arriving home from baseball game?

02.  6:15 AM - Becky leaving  - getting into a vehicle - driving away?

03.  6:30 AM - Uncle/Cousin Justin arriving in a vehicle?

04.  Justin being let into the home?

05.  Dogs barking and activity happening outside of Isabel's bedroom window?

06.  Justin leaving carrying a large duffle bag?

07.  Justin placing the large duffle bag into his vehicle and driving away?

09.  Justin returning a short time later?

10.  8:00 AM - Justin and Sergio going through the motions of searching?

11.  Brothers searching?

12.  8:14 AM - Becky arriving home?

13.  The first responders arriving?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 16, 2012, 01:13:03 PM
When the search of the disabled vehicle parked in the Celis driveway is considered ... could the surveilland footage have captured Sergio placing a duffle bag in the vehicle prior to the arrival of Justin?

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 16, 2012, 01:17:56 PM
Could it be Sergio's no contact order with his sons and ... the latest search which is a 5 minute drive from the Celis residence imply that Cousin/Uncle Justin has been offered a plea deal and is revealing all.

Janet
7:55 PM PT


If Justin took part in a cover up of wrongdoing ... would he be eligible for the reward

Janet

+++++

Police search desert north of D-M for evidence in Celis case
Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:23 pm


Tucson police and sheriff’s deputies are searching the desert north of Davis Monthan Air Force Base for anything of “evidentiary value” related to the Isabel Celis case.

<snipped>

This happened after detectives developed information pertaining to the welfare of the boys and shared it with CPS. Villaseñor would not elaborate on the information developed by detectives.

CPS and investigators met with Isabel's parents on Thursday, and the decision for Sergio Celis to stay away from his sons was made Friday.

The boys are now staying with their mother, Villaseñor said.

<snipped>

The 88-CRIME reward for information leading to an arrest in Isabel's disappearance has been increased to $50,500, of which $49,500 is from private donations.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/police-search-desert-north-of-d-m-for-evidence-in/article_2862dfba-f90b-560a-bc5b-28688eda8e04.html


BBM - This is similar to what was done in the Hailey Dunn case with her older brother David.  CPS goes in and "gently" suggests that the children be taken out of a potentially dangerous environment.  In this case, the easiest thing to do was have Sergio move and leave the children in the family home.  This type of arrangement has no legal enforcement behind it and Sergio could move back in if he wanted at any time.  Then CPS would have to take their evidence of concern for the welfare of the children before a judge, and he can make an enforceable order  if he deems it appropriate.   ::CowboySmiley::

 ::rhino::



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cecilita on May 16, 2012, 01:38:01 PM
Becky did not leave for work at 7:00 AM?  I have changed the timeline in my theory accordingly.

Janet

++++

The Moore Surveilance Footage?

Could it be that the footage investigators gleaned from the Moore surveillance camera which was focused on the Celis residence revealed ....

01.  10:30 PM - Dad and Isabel arriving home from baseball game?

02.  6:15 AM - Becky leaving  - getting into a vehicle - driving away?

03.  6:30 AM - Uncle/Cousin Justin arriving in a vehicle?

04.  Justin being let into the home?

05.  Dogs barking and activity happening outside of Isabel's bedroom window?

06.  Justin leaving carrying a large duffle bag?

07.  Justin placing the large duffle bag into his vehicle and driving away?

09.  Justin returning a short time later?

10.  8:00 AM - Justin and Sergio going through the motions of searching?

11.  Brothers searching?

12.  8:14 AM - Becky arriving home?

13.  The first responders arriving?

I thinK WE SHOULD START WITH "WHAT TIME DID BEKY WAKE UP?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cecilita on May 16, 2012, 01:38:46 PM
sorry  ::piggy::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Puzzler on May 16, 2012, 01:53:50 PM
Remember that the police took one-by-one, first Dad, then Mom and last 14 y.o. brother, into the home "individually" to talk with them...it was shortly after that that we heard that CPS was involved and that Sergio was not allowed contact of any kind with the boys.

I'm wondering if the 14 y.o. son made some comments to police during his turn with them in the house?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 16, 2012, 02:02:49 PM
What is going on with the morning timeline? Seems I recall Becky either being on time, or arriving at work at 7:30am (shift should begin at 7am). The bringisahome website used to say she left for work at 7am, now says 6:30, since tapes were released. What time did Becky leave the house???
Edit to add link to website.  We always need links back. MB  http://bringisahome.com/

According to Becky on her 911 call, she left at 7:00.  I can only speculate as to why the website would have changed the time that she left.  It is the one consistent that has been reported in this case.  It now may be that Becky has changed her mind or that the time of her departure needs to be edited to fit into the timeline that is being established to possibly cover up what really has happened to Isabel.  Whichever it is, you can be sure the LE has checked her place of employment as well any other sources that would show when she actually left.  

http://www.ksdk.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1638972375001 (http://www.ksdk.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1638972375001)

And welcome to the cage, Dagnabit!  

flutter, I believe she meant 7am shift, not that she left at 7.  In general the pediatric rounds are 7AM to 7PM,  so to be there in time to review cases with the night RN team, she likely left somewhere between 6:15 and 6:30 am.

You are probably right.  Again, the most maddening thing about this case is the lack of information, not necessarily even sensitive information, that has not been revealed.  What difference would it make if the time of BC's departure from the family home was revealed?  I just think that the family and TPD are being way to closed-mouth about releasing information that might help in finding Isabel.  I almost see that as the family's way of protecting someone within the circle.   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 16, 2012, 02:14:27 PM
Becky did not leave for work at 7:00 AM?  I have changed the timeline in my theory accordingly.

Janet

++++

The Moore Surveilance Footage?

Could it be that the footage investigators gleaned from the Moore surveillance camera which was focused on the Celis residence revealed ....

01.  10:30 PM - Dad and Isabel arriving home from baseball game?

02.  6:15 AM - Becky leaving  - getting into a vehicle - driving away?

03.  Sergio carring a duffle bag from the home and placing it in the disabled vehicle in the driveway?

04.  6:30 AM - Uncle/Cousin Justin arriving in a vehicle?

05.  Justin being let into the home?

06.  Dogs barking and activity happening outside of Isabel's bedroom window?

07.  Justin leaving carrying a large duffle bag?

08.  Justin placing the large duffle bag into his vehicle and driving away?

09.  Justin returning a short time later?

10.  8:00 AM - Justin and Sergio going through the motions of searching?

11.  Brothers searching?

12.  8:14 AM - Becky arriving home?

13.  The first responders arriving?

I thinK WE SHOULD START WITH "WHAT TIME DID BEKY WAKE UP?

Cecilita
(ed. -correct name) MB

The above timeline theory is all about what the Moore surviellance footage may have captured in regards to activity outside the Celis home following Sergio and Isabel returning from the baseball game.

Could the the CPS agreement that bans Sergio from contact with his sons and ... the search that is currently taking place a 5 minute drive from the home ... implies that Justin is revealing all?  Maybe there was a plea deal?

Janet.

Janet




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 16, 2012, 02:18:02 PM
SELF-EDIT - LAST POST

Monkey King s/b cecilita

I apologize.

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 16, 2012, 03:01:48 PM
It continues to trouble me how close the search area was yesterday to the Freedom Park.

The investigation nearly one month old,  and the family cannot be excluded, and the search area is within that dreaded 3 mile radius of the family home.

 Statistically, there is no doubt in my mind, whether they are right or not, right now, a member of this family or extended family is a suspect in Isa's disappearance.

The area searched yesterday also contains a cell tower so I am guessing they are operating from someone's pings and a timeline.

 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: sunshine12 on May 16, 2012, 04:05:58 PM
It continues to trouble me how close the search area was yesterday to the Freedom Park.

The investigation nearly one month old,  and the family cannot be excluded, and the search area is within that dreaded 3 mile radius of the family home.

 Statistically, there is no doubt in my mind, whether they are right or not, right now, a member of this family or extended family is a suspect in Isa's disappearance.

The area searched yesterday also contains a cell tower so I am guessing they are operating from someone's pings and a timeline.

 

i agree.  all of that coupled with cps strongly suggesting the children have no contact with the father based on something CPS was told by the police point to a family member, with the father having some knowledge of it IMO.  I think now they are focusing searches based on a suspect


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cecilita on May 16, 2012, 06:08:25 PM
If the mother left at 7 am or 6:15, I believe that she woke up at 5:40 or 6:30 to get ready for work. If the kidnaper cleaned his tracks pretty good, I believe that the abduction was made around  midnight. It will be very difficult for the father to clean his tracks and dispose the body only in 2 hours. Honestly I believe that he was probably molesting the boys and Isa witnessed  something wrong and the father was scared that she might talk. I want to believe that the father is not involved in this ,but something seems not to be right with his behavior.. sometimes it seems that he is suffering for his Isa and sometimes it seems that he is hiding something…also I believe that he is hiding his really personality  ::piggy::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 16, 2012, 07:06:35 PM
JVM (HLN) is coming on right now.

NG (HLN) is coming on in an hour.

I don't know if the Isabel Celis case will be a topic of discussion.  The verdict in the Steven Powell trial appears to be the big news of the day.

Janet
4:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 16, 2012, 07:14:46 PM
If the mother left at 7 am or 6:15, I believe that she woke up at 5:40 or 6:30 to get ready for work. If the kidnaper cleaned his tracks pretty good, I believe that the abduction was made around  midnight. It will be very difficult for the father to clean his tracks and dispose the body only in 2 hours. Honestly I believe that he was probably molesting the boys and Isa witnessed  something wrong and the father was scared that she might talk. I want to believe that the father is not involved in this ,but something seems not to be right with his behavior.. sometimes it seems that he is suffering for his Isa and sometimes it seems that he is hiding something…also I believe that he is hiding his really personality  ::piggy::

Cecilita - I'm inclined to agree with you.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Puzzler on May 17, 2012, 12:26:40 AM
During the 911 call, Sergio tells the Operator that his sons are out looking for Isabel. The Operator sounds a little questioning that his sons are out looking when his daughter has gone missing.

Would this be something that CPS has honed in on...that a daughter is missing and "yet" Sergio seems to think nothing of letting his sons go out alone at such a critical time?

The Operator told Becky for "all" of them to "stay" in the house.

There's a disconnect: your daughter is missing and the parent thinks nothing of letting the sons go out alone.

If there was a stranger kidnapper, Sergio could have potentially been putting his sons in danger by letting them go out of the home at that time.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: clarice on May 17, 2012, 01:40:25 AM
Becky said, "I went to work 0700". What we don't know is did her shift start @ 0700 or did she leave her house @ 0700? I suspect her shift started at that time because many nursing shifts are 0700 t0 1530. Her boss said she was early that day. If so, then she may have left the house anywhere between 0600 and 0630...depending on how early. He described it as very early.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Puzzler on May 17, 2012, 05:37:17 AM
CPS visited Isabel's home in December, city police confirm

Josh Brodesky - Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, AZ

Posted: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:02 am


(snip)  Child Protective Services workers went to Isabel Celis' home in December, months before the 6-year-old was reported missing.

CPS representatives would not discuss the case. Tucson police Lt. Fabian Pacheco confirmed the department was aware of the CPS visit to the Celis home but said he did not know the circumstances.

Officials with CPS and the Tucson Police Department recently said the child-welfare agency had been involved in the case since Isabel was reported missing on April 21. But Wednesday morning, Pacheco said investigators were aware CPS had made contact with the family much earlier.  (snip)

Read more:

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/cps-visited-isabel-s-home-in-december-city-police-confirm/article_8a0e22a3-f9a3-5df6-a4f1-163f280fad8f.html




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 17, 2012, 07:27:23 AM
CPS visited Isabel's home in December, city police confirm

Josh Brodesky - Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, AZ

Posted: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:02 am


(snip)  Child Protective Services workers went to Isabel Celis' home in December, months before the 6-year-old was reported missing.

CPS representatives would not discuss the case. Tucson police Lt. Fabian Pacheco confirmed the department was aware of the CPS visit to the Celis home but said he did not know the circumstances.

Officials with CPS and the Tucson Police Department recently said the child-welfare agency had been involved in the case since Isabel was reported missing on April 21. But Wednesday morning, Pacheco said investigators were aware CPS had made contact with the family much earlier.  (snip)

Read more:

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/cps-visited-isabel-s-home-in-december-city-police-confirm/article_8a0e22a3-f9a3-5df6-a4f1-163f280fad8f.html




ty Puzzler.

Well this could explain why the parents behaviour has been off imo from the getgo.

I read this as Lt. Pacheo stating that the police dept. knew of the earlier visit by CPS in
December but they are unaware of the circumstances.  Why is that?  Wouldn't they want to know?

Puzzler do you know what the legalities are in order for LE to obtain this information?

 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: seahorse on May 17, 2012, 08:07:48 AM
CPS visited Isabel's home in December, city police confirm

Josh Brodesky - Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, AZ

Posted: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:02 am


(snip)  Child Protective Services workers went to Isabel Celis' home in December, months before the 6-year-old was reported missing.

CPS representatives would not discuss the case. Tucson police Lt. Fabian Pacheco confirmed the department was aware of the CPS visit to the Celis home but said he did not know the circumstances.

Officials with CPS and the Tucson Police Department recently said the child-welfare agency had been involved in the case since Isabel was reported missing on April 21. But Wednesday morning, Pacheco said investigators were aware CPS had made contact with the family much earlier.  (snip)

Read more:

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/cps-visited-isabel-s-home-in-december-city-police-confirm/article_8a0e22a3-f9a3-5df6-a4f1-163f280fad8f.html




ty Puzzler.

Well this could explain why the parents behaviour has been off imo from the getgo.

I read this as Lt. Pacheo stating that the police dept. knew of the earlier visit by CPS in
December but they are unaware of the circumstances.  Why is that?  Wouldn't they want to know?

Puzzler do you know what the legalities are in order for LE to obtain this information?

 


Good morning Monkey's,

Thank-you, Can, for posting this article. 

I no longer believe that Isa's hair, was braided.  :(


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: labubske on May 17, 2012, 08:19:42 AM
Becky said, "I went to work 0700". What we don't know is did her shift start @ 0700 or did she leave her house @ 0700? I suspect her shift started at that time because many nursing shifts are 0700 t0 1530. Her boss said she was early that day. If so, then she may have left the house anywhere between 0600 and 0630...depending on how early. He described it as very early.

I wonder if she is early often or this was out of character for her.  I am the type of person that is NEVER early...I had been with the hospital for eight years and can honestly say that I was almost always right on time...however one of my co workers was almost always thirty minutes early every day.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: can on May 17, 2012, 08:38:23 AM
CPS visited Isabel's home in December, city police confirm

Josh Brodesky - Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, AZ

Posted: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:02 am


(snip)  Child Protective Services workers went to Isabel Celis' home in December, months before the 6-year-old was reported missing.

CPS representatives would not discuss the case. Tucson police Lt. Fabian Pacheco confirmed the department was aware of the CPS visit to the Celis home but said he did not know the circumstances.

Officials with CPS and the Tucson Police Department recently said the child-welfare agency had been involved in the case since Isabel was reported missing on April 21. But Wednesday morning, Pacheco said investigators were aware CPS had made contact with the family much earlier.  (snip)

Read more:

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/cps-visited-isabel-s-home-in-december-city-police-confirm/article_8a0e22a3-f9a3-5df6-a4f1-163f280fad8f.html




ty Puzzler.

Well this could explain why the parents behaviour has been off imo from the getgo.

I read this as Lt. Pacheo stating that the police dept. knew of the earlier visit by CPS in
December but they are unaware of the circumstances.  Why is that?  Wouldn't they want to know?

Puzzler do you know what the legalities are in order for LE to obtain this information?

 


Good morning Monkey's,

Thank-you, Can, for posting this article. 

I no longer believe that Isa's hair, was braided.  :(

Morning seahorse.    Puzzler posted this article - TY puzzler!

You no longer believe RC'S story?  - Do you believe both parents are complicit?

This article is very concerning.  Prayers for Isa.   ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 17, 2012, 09:41:33 AM
CPS visited Isabel's home in December, city police confirm

Josh Brodesky - Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, AZ

Posted: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:02 am


(snip)  Child Protective Services workers went to Isabel Celis' home in December, months before the 6-year-old was reported missing.

CPS representatives would not discuss the case. Tucson police Lt. Fabian Pacheco confirmed the department was aware of the CPS visit to the Celis home but said he did not know the circumstances.

Officials with CPS and the Tucson Police Department recently said the child-welfare agency had been involved in the case since Isabel was reported missing on April 21. But Wednesday morning, Pacheco said investigators were aware CPS had made contact with the family much earlier.  (snip)

Read more:

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/cps-visited-isabel-s-home-in-december-city-police-confirm/article_8a0e22a3-f9a3-5df6-a4f1-163f280fad8f.html




Cracks are beginning to show in the perfect family facade.  Notice Pacheco says "he" didn't know the circumstances.  That is either a little white lie -- he doesn't know personally, but someone working the case does -- or a big fat lie -- he does know and doesn't want to reveal it because it will compromise the investigation.  Bet your boots on it, CPS has told someone in LE involved with this case the circumstances, status, and details of the previous case.   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2012, 09:47:15 AM
CPS visited Isabel's home in December, city police confirm

Josh Brodesky - Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, AZ

Posted: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:02 am


(snip)  Child Protective Services workers went to Isabel Celis' home in December, months before the 6-year-old was reported missing.

CPS representatives would not discuss the case. Tucson police Lt. Fabian Pacheco confirmed the department was aware of the CPS visit to the Celis home but said he did not know the circumstances.

Officials with CPS and the Tucson Police Department recently said the child-welfare agency had been involved in the case since Isabel was reported missing on April 21. But Wednesday morning, Pacheco said investigators were aware CPS had made contact with the family much earlier.  (snip)

Read more:

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/cps-visited-isabel-s-home-in-december-city-police-confirm/article_8a0e22a3-f9a3-5df6-a4f1-163f280fad8f.html


 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks Puzzler.

It makes sense that Tucson police Lt. Fabian's position within the Isabel Celis case dictates that he "knows the circumstances" or should "know".

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2012, 10:01:46 AM
Contacts!!!

Isn't it Pacheco's job to have knowledge of previous CPS contacts?

Janet

++++++

CPS visited Isabel's home in December, city police confirm
Posted: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:02 am


<snipped>

Officials with CPS and the Tucson Police Department recently said the child-welfare agency had been involved in the case since Isabel was reported missing on April 21. But Wednesday morning, Pacheco said investigators were aware CPS had made contact with the family much earlier.

"The earlier case, we are aware of that," Pacheco said. "I don't know if they were open or closed, but there were previous CPS contacts."

<snipped>

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/cps-visited-isabel-s-home-in-december-city-police-confirm/article_8a0e22a3-f9a3-5df6-a4f1-163f280fad8f.html



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2012, 10:03:59 AM

Cracks are beginning to show in the perfect family facade.  Notice Pacheco says "he" didn't know the circumstances.  That is either a little white lie -- he doesn't know personally, but someone working the case does -- or a big fat lie -- he does know and doesn't want to reveal it because it will compromise the investigation.  Bet your boots on it, CPS has told someone in LE involved with this case the circumstances, status, and details of the previous case.   ::CowboySmiley::


 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 17, 2012, 10:56:57 AM

Cracks are beginning to show in the perfect family facade.  Notice Pacheco says "he" didn't know the circumstances.  That is either a little white lie -- he doesn't know personally, but someone working the case does -- or a big fat lie -- he does know and doesn't want to reveal it because it will compromise the investigation.  Bet your boots on it, CPS has told someone in LE involved with this case the circumstances, status, and details of the previous case.   ::CowboySmiley::


 ::rhino::

Distressing to say the least, CPS should be required to say if the December case was cleared.

CPS involvement,  neighbors reporting dog violations-  again, centers around activity in the home.

Janet, to your point, Pacheco may not know the circumstances of the first investigation - frequently detectives in a high profile case will withhold sensitive investigative details from the PIO or spokesperson so they do not put them in a position of releasing something accidentally. 

What the He77 went on in that house that night, and where is this baby?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: seahorse on May 17, 2012, 11:40:00 AM
CPS visited Isabel's home in December, city police confirm

Josh Brodesky - Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, AZ

Posted: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:02 am


(snip)  Child Protective Services workers went to Isabel Celis' home in December, months before the 6-year-old was reported missing.

CPS representatives would not discuss the case. Tucson police Lt. Fabian Pacheco confirmed the department was aware of the CPS visit to the Celis home but said he did not know the circumstances.

Officials with CPS and the Tucson Police Department recently said the child-welfare agency had been involved in the case since Isabel was reported missing on April 21. But Wednesday morning, Pacheco said investigators were aware CPS had made contact with the family much earlier.  (snip)

Read more:

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/cps-visited-isabel-s-home-in-december-city-police-confirm/article_8a0e22a3-f9a3-5df6-a4f1-163f280fad8f.html




ty Puzzler.

Well this could explain why the parents behaviour has been off imo from the getgo.

I read this as Lt. Pacheo stating that the police dept. knew of the earlier visit by CPS in
December but they are unaware of the circumstances.  Why is that?  Wouldn't they want to know?

Puzzler do you know what the legalities are in order for LE to obtain this information?

 


Good morning Monkey's,

Thank-you, Can, for posting this article. 

I no longer believe that Isa's hair, was braided.  :(

Thanks, Can,

Puzzler thank-you for the article :)

 ::MonkeyEek::

I do not believe ONE word of either parent.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2012, 12:53:31 PM

Distressing to say the least, CPS should be required to say if the December case was cleared.

CPS involvement,  neighbors reporting dog violations-  again, centers around activity in the home.

Janet, to your point, Pacheco may not know the circumstances of the first investigation - frequently detectives in a high profile case will withhold sensitive investigative details from the PIO or spokesperson so they do not put them in a position of releasing something accidentally. 

What the He77 went on in that house that night, and where is this baby?


Blink

I don't know but ... I feel strongly that  the Moore surveillance footage exposes the cover up ... the cover up that began following Becky's departure from the home at approximately 6:15 AM on the morning Isabel was reported missing.

Could it be that the words of Becky in the 911 tape do reflect the truth at that moment in time?  What she now suspects occured in the period that Sergio claims he fell asleep watching a baseball game prior to coming to bed is another issue.

Not to arouse suspicion with any cover up commotion ... could it be that Sergio made it appear that a deceased was sleeping.  Think about the the hit made by the police canine.

In the morning following Becky's departure at approximately 6:15 AM ...  I suspect that the cover up began.

The Cover Up?

01.  Justin is summoned for assistance.  Think about the report that investigators were investigating the elusive Justin ... the elusive Justin who was originally a spokesperson for the family ... the elusive Justin who has a criminal record ... the elusive Justin who resided with the Celis family at one time ... the elusive Justin who was caught on Moore surveillance footage outside the Celis home at 8:00 AM.

02.  Prior to Justin's arrival ... a deceased Isabel is wrapped in a blanket or concealed in a duffle bag and placed in the disabled vehicle in the driveway.  Think about the search warrant.
 
03.  Justin arrives.

04.  At 6:30 AM Sergio and Justin stage a kidnapping scene.  Isabel's bedroom window is opened and screen removed.  Think about the voices and barking dogs that awakens the neighbor.

05.  A deceased Isabel is removed from the disabled vehicle ... placed in Justin's vehicle and ... driven to a nearby location for disposal.

06.  Justin returns.

07.  Sergio awakens the boys.

08.  Justin and Sergio go through the motions of a quick search outside the home.  Think about the Moore surveillance footage.

09.  Sergio contacts Becky

10.  Sergio contact 911 at 8:14 AM.

11.  Becky arrives home.

12.  First responders arrive.

13.  The neighbor awakens again with the knocking on her door.  Justin and a police officer are on the other side of that door.

IMO


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2012, 01:07:55 PM
Uncle: Isabel's parents glad they went on TV
Posted: May 03, 2012 2:11 PM PDT
Updated: May 03, 2012 4:20 PM PDT


Tucson Police confirmed today that the parents took polygraph tests early in the investigation.

Sgt. Maria Hawke said at a press conference, "It is accurate that the parents have done polygraph tests," but those results will not be shared.

<snipped>

TPD says they are not able to release any additional surveillance video at this time.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18115892/tpd-parents-have-taken-polygraph-test
 
 
 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: melisb on May 17, 2012, 01:16:41 PM
Would a kind Monkey who is much smarter than me and more adept at finding things please bump up the post from CW618 about cousin JM and the body harvesting?  I searched and apparently went right past it!  Sorry and thank in advance!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 17, 2012, 01:23:21 PM
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/cps-visited-isabel-s-home-in-december-tucson-police-confirm/article_8a0e22a3-f9a3-5df6-a4f1-163f280fad8f.html

CPS visited Isabel's home in December, Tucson police confirm



 

Quote
Pacheco said he was not familiar with the details of CPS' involvement with the Celis family, but during the earlier stages of the investigation detectives had spoken to CPS workers about the agency's history with the family.


 ::MonkeyNoNo::  Troubling to say the least.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2012, 01:47:30 PM
Uncle: Isabel's parents glad they went on TV
Posted: May 03, 2012 2:11 PM PDT
Updated: May 03, 2012 4:20 PM PDT


Tucson Police confirmed today that the parents took polygraph tests early in the investigation.

Sgt. Maria Hawke said at a press conference, "It is accurate that the parents have done polygraph tests," but those results will not be shared.

<snipped>

TPD says they are not able to release any additional surveillance video at this time.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18115892/tpd-parents-have-taken-polygraph-test
 


Is surveillance video key to solving missing girl investigation?
Posted: Apr 25, 2012 7:40 PM
Updated: Apr 25, 2012 7:40 PM


TUCSON - Police are investigating hundreds of leads regarding the disppearance of Isabel Celis, but one business in the area may have a big key to help solve the puzzle.

Rick Moore of Moore Security Solutions has surveillance cameras placed right outside his company--a company that is just feet away from Isabel Celis' family home.

Rick Moore said his cameras were on the watch the night Isabel disappeared.

"And the cameras that we have located in the back were looking where a lot of things were happening," said Moore.

Moore said he believes these cameras provide more information to police than any other nearby camera because of their location.

"In terms of maybe license plate numbers, cars going by - these cameras also have infrared technology so you can see at nighttime and that will help too, since the abduction occurred between 11 and 8 o'clock," said Moore.

Moore said on Saturday, his general manager spent about five hours with police, showing them surveillance video of the area, and on Monday, they were back again to review video and get a copy of activity from 10 p.m. Friday night to 9 a.m. Saturday morning.

"There was activity going on," he said. "There were vehicles...there were people wandering around. There were things that we saw and we did get recorded so that information we did release to the police."

<snipped>

http://www.kvoa.com/news/is-surveillance-video-key-to-solving-missing-girl-investigation-/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2012, 02:08:43 PM
The 6:30 AM Commotion

NANCY GRACE
Celis Neighbor Heard Dogs Barking, Men`s Voices
Aired April 26, 2012 - 20:00   ET


<snipped>

ALICIA STARDEVANT, NEIGHBOR: .I got woken up by my dogs. They were barking their heads off. And I noticed two male voices outside my bedroom window. Their dogs were going insane, completely nuts.

<snipped>

GRACE: Oh, OK. So the dogs were not in the home. I thought they lived inside, inside dogs.

STARDEVANT: They`re usually outside. Whenever I`m home, I usually see them outside.

GRACE: So you heard the dogs, the Celis dogs, barking outside. How do you know that it was 6:30 AM?

STARDEVANT: Because I -- it was really early and I wanted to know what time it was, so I checked my cell phone real quick to see what time it was.

GRACE: Now, your...

STARDEVANT: And it was, like, 6:28.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/26/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2012, 02:23:27 PM
Uncle/Cousin Justin Mastromarino

Apr 22, 2012 10:45am
Open Window Shows Missing Tucson Girl Was Abducted, Parents Say


<snipped>

Celis’ family has no doubt she was kidnapped by a stranger.

“You don’t think anything like that would actually really happen to you. And all of sudden, you wake up one morning and you’re in that scenario. Everything goes through your mind, you’re angry, you’re upset, you’re frustrated, you’re confused,” said Isabel’s uncle and family spokesperson Justin Mastromarino.

Mastromarino said her family is a loving one.

“They’re very upset right now, mother is beside herself we’re just trying to let police do their thing and get as much info as possible,” said Mastromarino.

Mastromarino described his niece as “just a sweet little girl.”

“All the ambition in the world. She could do whatever she wanted. Didn’t really like strangers or anything like that so very close knitted and just very wise,” said Mastromarino.

<snipped>

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/isabel-celis-6-year-old-girl-vanishes-from-tucson-arizona-home/


NANCY GRACE
Police Examine Security Camera Video in Isabel Celis Disappearance
Aired April 27, 2012 - 20:00   ET


GRACE:  With us, special guest Rick Moore, who had video cameras specifically trained on the Celis home. He describes seeing who he believes to be Isa`s father and uncle coming out of the home around 8:00 AM that morning, walking back and forth, apparently looking for Isa, we can surmise.

<snipped>

GRACE: ... is Isabel`s father and his brother, which would be Isabel`s uncle, walking around in front of the Celis home.

MOORE: Nancy, that`s conjecture on my part. I think that`s who it was. The police didn`t want us to speculate about who that

<snipped>

GRACE: Ellie, what time, do we know exactly, was the 911 call?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, exactly. It was 8:14. But police did say family did a quick search before they called

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/27/ng.01.html


NANCY GRACE
Police Eye Male Cousin in Celis Disappearance
Aired May 2, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST:  A source now claims police looking closely at Isabel`s male cousin, who once lived in the home ...

<sniped>

GRACE:  Straight out to Paul Birmingham, KNST. Paul, what is the latest? And what can you tell me about this male cousin to Isa?

PAUL BIRMINGHAM, KNST (via telephone): Right. This is what we`re hearing from our sources here in Tucson, that police are scrutinizing this individual. He does have a criminal background, so he has had contact with police before. At this point, it is unclear exactly what sorts of questions they might be asking him or exactly what that scrutiny could consist of.

<snipped>

GRACE: Right now, out to the Celis family home. Standing by, our producer on the scene, Greg Overzat. Greg, what can you tell me about this male cousin?

GREG OVERZAT, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, about this cousin, it`s unclear why specifically he is being scrutinized by police, according to our source. He does have a criminal past. Now, that past only includes charges involving DUI, drug possession, those kind of things, nothing involving -- anything involving a child, sex assault, et cetera.

<snipped>

GRACE: We are live in Tucson. We learned tonight that police scrutinizing an adult male cousin, an adult male cousin that has referred to himself as Isabel`s uncle in the past.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/02/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2012, 02:26:18 PM
Where does Uncle/Cousin Justin Mastromarino fit into the family tree.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 17, 2012, 02:41:55 PM
Where does Uncle/Cousin Justin Mastromarino fit into the family tree.

Thanks

Janet

According to this link http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13016.msg1524900;topicseen#msg1524900 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13016.msg1524900;topicseen#msg1524900) he is Isabel's uncle and Sergio's brother.  That seems to come from the NG transcript quoted in the post.  He was also referred to as "the family spokesperson" and Isabel's uncle/cousin.  Hope this helps   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 17, 2012, 02:44:06 PM
Where does Uncle/Cousin Justin Mastromarino fit into the family tree.

Thanks

Janet

According to this link http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13016.msg1524900;topicseen#msg1524900 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13016.msg1524900;topicseen#msg1524900) he is Isabel's uncle and Sergio's brother.  That seems to come from the NG transcript quoted in the post.  He was also referred to as "the family spokesperson" and Isabel's uncle/cousin.  Hope this helps   ::CowboySmiley::

Well, duh -- don't I look stupid.  Sorry to tell you nothing  you already didn't know, Janet. 



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2012, 02:52:05 PM
Where does Uncle/Cousin Justin Mastromarino fit into the family tree.

Thanks

Janet

According to this link http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13016.msg1524900;topicseen#msg1524900 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13016.msg1524900;topicseen#msg1524900) he is Isabel's uncle and Sergio's brother.  That seems to come from the NG transcript quoted in the post.  He was also referred to as "the family spokesperson" and Isabel's uncle/cousin.  Hope this helps   ::CowboySmiley::

Well, duh -- don't I look stupid.  Sorry to tell you nothing  you already didn't know, Janet. 



Thanks for the response Flutter.

I was wondering if Justin was the brother of Mom or Dad.  Is he the nephew of Mom or Dad.  I am not even aware of Justin's age.

Thanks again.

I am off.  Life outside of this computer room beckons

Later, Janet
11:45 AM PT


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 17, 2012, 03:57:41 PM

Distressing to say the least, CPS should be required to say if the December case was cleared.

CPS involvement,  neighbors reporting dog violations-  again, centers around activity in the home.

Janet, to your point, Pacheco may not know the circumstances of the first investigation - frequently detectives in a high profile case will withhold sensitive investigative details from the PIO or spokesperson so they do not put them in a position of releasing something accidentally. 

What the He77 went on in that house that night, and where is this baby?


Blink

I don't know but ... I feel strongly that  the Moore surveillance footage exposes the cover up ... the cover up that began following Becky's departure from the home at approximately 6:15 AM on the morning Isabel was reported missing.

Could it be that the words of Becky in the 911 tape do reflect the truth at that moment in time?  What she now suspects occured in the period that Sergio claims he fell asleep watching a baseball game prior to coming to bed is another issue.

Not to arouse suspicion with any cover up commotion ... could it be that Sergio made it appear that a deceased was sleeping.  Think about the the hit made by the police canine.

In the morning following Becky's departure at approximately 6:15 AM ...  I suspect that the cover up began.

The Cover Up?

01.  Justin is summoned for assistance.  Think about the report that investigators were investigating the elusive Justin ... the elusive Justin who was originally a spokesperson for the family ... the elusive Justin who has a criminal record ... the elusive Justin who resided with the Celis family at one time ... the elusive Justin who was caught on Moore surveillance footage outside the Celis home at 8:00 AM.

02.  Prior to Justin's arrival ... a deceased Isabel is wrapped in a blanket or concealed in a duffle bag and placed in the disabled vehicle in the driveway.  Think about the search warrant.
 
03.  Justin arrives.

04.  At 6:30 AM Sergio and Justin stage a kidnapping scene.  Isabel's bedroom window is opened and screen removed.  Think about the voices and barking dogs that awakens the neighbor.

05.  A deceased Isabel is removed from the disabled vehicle ... placed in Justin's vehicle and ... driven to a nearby location for disposal.

06.  Justin returns.

07.  Sergio awakens the boys.

08.  Justin and Sergio go through the motions of a quick search outside the home.  Think about the Moore surveillance footage.

09.  Sergio contacts Becky

10.  Sergio contact 911 at 8:14 AM.

11.  Becky arrives home.

12.  First responders arrive.

13.  The neighbor awakens again with the knocking on her door.  Justin and a police officer are on the other side of that door.

IMO


What time did Sergio allegedly wake the boys up?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Monkey King on May 17, 2012, 04:09:14 PM
The reason I'm asking the time Sergio allegedly woke up the boys is because Becky left at whatever time.

Justin was at the home at approx 8:00am, (per the Moore's video).

IF Justin was not in the home, which the family says they were home alone,
how long did it take him to get ready and get over to the Celis home, to be recorded on the Moore video at 8:00am?

At 8:14am, a call was made to 911 by Sergio Celis.  The children were conveinently out of the house during this call.  Could Sergio have been afraid of the boys saying something, which would be why he sent them out.

IF Sergio woke the kids up at 8:00am, wouldn't the call to 911 at 8:14am seem kind of jumping the gun and not really giving yourself time to make some phone calls, search the house/area, and the number 1 question~wouldn't you call your spouse and ask if they saw the child in the home before they left for work?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 17, 2012, 04:14:04 PM

Distressing to say the least, CPS should be required to say if the December case was cleared.

CPS involvement,  neighbors reporting dog violations-  again, centers around activity in the home.

Janet, to your point, Pacheco may not know the circumstances of the first investigation - frequently detectives in a high profile case will withhold sensitive investigative details from the PIO or spokesperson so they do not put them in a position of releasing something accidentally. 

What the He77 went on in that house that night, and where is this baby?


Blink

I don't know but ... I feel strongly that  the Moore surveillance footage exposes the cover up ... the cover up that began following Becky's departure from the home at approximately 6:15 AM on the morning Isabel was reported missing.

Could it be that the words of Becky in the 911 tape do reflect the truth at that moment in time?  What she now suspects occured in the period that Sergio claims he fell asleep watching a baseball game prior to coming to bed is another issue.

Not to arouse suspicion with any cover up commotion ... could it be that Sergio made it appear that a deceased was sleeping.  Think about the the hit made by the police canine.

In the morning following Becky's departure at approximately 6:15 AM ...  I suspect that the cover up began.

The Cover Up?

01.  Justin is summoned for assistance.  Think about the report that investigators were investigating the elusive Justin ... the elusive Justin who was originally a spokesperson for the family ... the elusive Justin who has a criminal record ... the elusive Justin who resided with the Celis family at one time ... the elusive Justin who was caught on Moore surveillance footage outside the Celis home at 8:00 AM.

02.  Prior to Justin's arrival ... a deceased Isabel is wrapped in a blanket or concealed in a duffle bag and placed in the disabled vehicle in the driveway.  Think about the search warrant.
 
03.  Justin arrives.

04.  At 6:30 AM Sergio and Justin stage a kidnapping scene.  Isabel's bedroom window is opened and screen removed.  Think about the voices and barking dogs that awakens the neighbor.

05.  A deceased Isabel is removed from the disabled vehicle ... placed in Justin's vehicle and ... driven to a nearby location for disposal.

06.  Justin returns.

07.  Sergio awakens the boys.

08.  Justin and Sergio go through the motions of a quick search outside the home.  Think about the Moore surveillance footage.

09.  Sergio contacts Becky

10.  Sergio contact 911 at 8:14 AM.

11.  Becky arrives home.

12.  First responders arrive.

13.  The neighbor awakens again with the knocking on her door.  Justin and a police officer are on the other side of that door.

IMO


What time did Sergio allegedly wake the boys up?

I don't know exactly, but it must have been after he found Isabel missing because he sent them looking for her.  Sergio's original call, I think was after that, and around 8:14. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 17, 2012, 04:20:27 PM
The reason I'm asking the time Sergio allegedly woke up the boys is because Becky left at whatever time.

Justin was at the home at approx 8:00am, (per the Moore's video).

IF Justin was not in the home, which the family says they were home alone,
how long did it take him to get ready and get over to the Celis home, to be recorded on the Moore video at 8:00am?

At 8:14am, a call was made to 911 by Sergio Celis.  The children were conveinently out of the house during this call.  Could Sergio have been afraid of the boys saying something, which would be why he sent them out.

IF Sergio woke the kids up at 8:00am, wouldn't the call to 911 at 8:14am seem kind of jumping the gun and not really giving yourself time to make some phone calls, search the house/area, and the number 1 question~wouldn't you call your spouse and ask if they saw the child in the home before they left for work?

I think the inconsistencies with the report of a missing Isabel and the time-mark stamps on the Moore tape are what the police are using to tie this case up.  I, like you, don't think they jive.  Where did Justin come from?  Does he live in the area or was staying near by, or even at the Celis house?  If so, where was he sleeping if Sergio was feel asleep on the couch watching the baseball game?  More than one couch? 

This puzzle just isn't coming together -- too many missing pieces.   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Puzzler on May 17, 2012, 04:28:18 PM
I'm still thinking about Sergio's being disrespectful towards Becky:

1. I called her and told her to get her butt home - ha ha ha
2. Becky just walked in the door and she's freaking out.

He minimized and demeaned Becky - a bad attitude towards Becky at any time, let alone on the morning that her daughter's gone missing.

I'm now wondering if whatever happened to Isabel has something to do with his feelings toward Becky?

Maybe anger toward Becky, so he did something to Isabel...."I'll show you attitude" or took his anger with Becky out on Isabel.

He definately was expressing his attitude towards Becky that morning - so I'm wondering if that's a connection. He was showing attitude of all places, "during" the 911 call...almost "macho". I told her to get her butt home! Ha ha ha (like and unexpressed thought was - I told her by golly!)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cecilita on May 17, 2012, 06:12:28 PM
I don't think that he is macho..he is the opposite...i can tell  ::piggy::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cecilita on May 17, 2012, 06:13:10 PM
what kind of job the mother has that she has to be awake so early in the weekend


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2012, 06:26:06 PM

Distressing to say the least, CPS should be required to say if the December case was cleared.

CPS involvement,  neighbors reporting dog violations-  again, centers around activity in the home.

Janet, to your point, Pacheco may not know the circumstances of the first investigation - frequently detectives in a high profile case will withhold sensitive investigative details from the PIO or spokesperson so they do not put them in a position of releasing something accidentally. 

What the He77 went on in that house that night, and where is this baby?


Blink

I don't know but ... I feel strongly that  the Moore surveillance footage exposes the cover up ... the cover up that began following Becky's departure from the home at approximately 6:15 AM on the morning Isabel was reported missing.

Could it be that the words of Becky in the 911 tape do reflect the truth at that moment in time?  What she now suspects occured in the period that Sergio claims he fell asleep watching a baseball game prior to coming to bed is another issue.

Not to arouse suspicion with any cover up commotion ... could it be that Sergio made it appear that a deceased Isabel was sleeping.  Think about the the hit made by the police canine.

In the morning following Becky's departure at approximately 6:15 AM ...  I suspect that the cover up began.

The Cover Up?

01.  Justin is summoned for assistance.  Think about the report that investigators were investigating the elusive Justin ... the elusive Justin who was originally a spokesperson for the family ... the elusive Justin who has a criminal record ... the elusive Justin who resided with the Celis family at one time ... the elusive Justin who was caught on Moore surveillance footage outside the Celis home at 8:00 AM.

02.  Prior to Justin's arrival ... a deceased Isabel is wrapped in a blanket or concealed in a duffle bag and placed in the disabled vehicle in the driveway.  Think about the search warrant.
 
03.  Justin arrives.

04.  At 6:30 AM Sergio and Justin stage a kidnapping scene.  Isabel's bedroom window is opened and screen removed.  Think about the voices and barking dogs that awakens the neighbor.

05.  A deceased Isabel is removed from the disabled vehicle ... placed in Justin's vehicle and ... driven to a nearby location for disposal.

06.  Justin returns.

07.  Sergio awakens the boys at 8:00 AM.

08.  The boys search.

09.  Justin and Sergio go through the motions of a quick search outside the home.  Think about the Moore surveillance footage.

10.  Sergio contacts Becky

11.  Sergio contact 911 at 8:14 AM.

12.  Becky arrives home.

12.  First responders arrive.

13.  The neighbor awakens again with the knocking on her door.  Justin and a police officer are on the other side of that door.

IMO


What time did Sergio allegedly wake the boys up?


Search continues for missing 6-year-old girl Sunday morning
04/22/2012 09:10 AM

 
TUCSON - Search efforts continue Sunday morning for missing 6-year-old Isabel Mercedes Celis.

The young girl was last seen around 11 p.m. Friday night at home, located in the 5600 block of East 12th Street, near Broadway Boulevard and Craycroft Road, according to Tucson Police Department spokeswoman Sgt. Maria Hawke.

Isabel's parents put her to bed at 11 p.m. Friday night, Hawke said. When her father went to wake her up around 8 a.m. Saturday, Isabel was gone. The family called police around 8:15 a.m.

<snipped>

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2012, 06:43:32 PM
what kind of job the mother has that she has to be awake so early in the weekend

Nurse, RN I belive


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 17, 2012, 06:46:42 PM
what kind of job the mother has that she has to be awake so early in the weekend

She is a nurse -- I read somewhere a pediatric nurse.   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2012, 06:47:24 PM
I was hoping that Isabel would have been found quickly.  Since she hasn't but there's still alot going on in the case I'm moving to the Missing High Profile area. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: KittyMom on May 17, 2012, 06:49:43 PM
Sergio sort of has it made.  Becky is the one with full time employment.  He gets to work part time and enjoy his 'passion' of being an opera singer.  Remembering that first presser, Becky seemed defensive of Sergio.  I have to wonder what type of relationship they have.  Maybe she's accustomed to carrying the heaviest load and letting him do what he wants.  I'm wondering if there isn't some spousal abuse going on?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2012, 06:50:56 PM
Kittymom - I wonder as well


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Blink34 on May 17, 2012, 07:08:38 PM
I was hoping that Isabel would have been found quickly.  Since she hasn't but there's still alot going on in the case I'm moving to the Missing High Profile area. 

Unfortunately, I think that is a good idea Klaas-

This has been the most active day in terms of sources yet, I cannot confirm half of the stuff I am hearing, so you won't hear it from me until I can, but I have that feeling, that exact thing I said to you the first time I reviewed this case.

She reminds me so much of the Sandra Cantu case it is uncanny.





Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: flutter1 on May 17, 2012, 07:19:44 PM
Kittymom - I wonder as well
::rhino::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on May 17, 2012, 07:25:12 PM
what kind of job the mother has that she has to be awake so early in the weekend

She is a nurse -- I read somewhere a pediatric nurse.   ::CowboySmiley::

i read it too,in the 911,SC says she works at TMC,and
beckey home to work, is 2.6mi 7min
http://g.co/maps/m263j

Raw Audio: 911 Call Audio/neighbor calling for SCjr and SCjr and mom and dads call
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU5MyVktwHw&feature=related

Transcript of 911 calls made by members of the Celis family
Posted: Monday, May 14, 2012 9:29 pm
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.**/azstarnet.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/aa/9aaeead6-9e46-11e1-8e9c-001a4bcf887a/4fb1dbce13254.pdf.pdf (http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.**/azstarnet.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/aa/9aaeead6-9e46-11e1-8e9c-001a4bcf887a/4fb1dbce13254.pdf.pdf)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: theboyzmom on May 17, 2012, 08:15:53 PM
I was hoping that Isabel would have been found quickly.  Since she hasn't but there's still alot going on in the case I'm moving to the Missing High Profile area. 

You scared me - just got home and was going to this and I saw moved - I feared they had found her murdered!  Glad it is just to the high profile part.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cw618 on May 17, 2012, 08:25:25 PM
Would a kind Monkey who is much smarter than me and more adept at finding things please bump up the post from CW618 about cousin JM and the body harvesting?  I searched and apparently went right past it!  Sorry and thank in advance!

 why,do you think the unc/cuz is related to Michael Mastromarino here is
the link to my post,as i said if i had that name id change it,whether i was
related or not
my post
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13016.msg1519835#msg1519835

Michael Mastromarino img
http://blog.silive.com/latest_news/2008/03/03-18-staten-island-mastro.jpg
http://www.cnbc.com/id/29528544/The_Body_Snatcher?slide=2


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cookie on May 17, 2012, 08:40:51 PM
I don't think that he is macho..he is the opposite...i can tell  ::piggy::

Hubs is watching NG with me...saw and listened to Dad for the first time and what does he say? First thing....he is gay, I am telling you right now that he is gay...and an actor! Not knowing that dad is an actor!
Then a guest who is a friend of the dad's is talking who if I might say, is quite effeminate speaking...and hubs says, he is gay too.  Maybe Dad has a 'secret life'?

Nothing wrong with gay people..not what hubs comments were about, just what he had observed...





Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: cookie on May 17, 2012, 08:42:57 PM
NG just said that there was a note scribbled by Isabel in her bedroom closet? Did I hear that right?? Anyone else heard about this before now?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cecilita on May 17, 2012, 08:49:27 PM
I don't think that he is macho..he is the opposite...i can tell  ::piggy::

Hubs is watching NG with me...saw and listened to Dad for the first time and what does he say? First thing....he is gay, I am telling you right now that he is gay...and an actor! Not knowing that dad is an actor!
Then a guest who is a friend of the dad's is talking who if I might say, is quite effeminate speaking...and hubs says, he is gay too.  Maybe Dad has a 'secret life'?

Nothing wrong with gay people..not what hubs comments were about, just what he had observed...




Cookie the day i wrote here that the daddy was gay was the day I saw him in video for the first time (before I saw him in pictures only)...i could noticed that right a way..I told my hubby that he is very feminine and he agreed with me.... maybe he invite "his friends" home when mom was out of the house and you know, maybe one of his secret friends did something bad to the girl and he is scared to accept his secret live... latins are like here, we don't discriminate people for their sexual orientation but for some reason Latin man are very good actors when they have other preferences (some can't denied but most of them they will never come out of the closet with their families)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: cecilita on May 17, 2012, 08:50:03 PM
NG just said that there was a note scribbled by Isabel in her bedroom closet? Did I hear that right?? Anyone else heard about this before now?
I did hear something but i got distracted


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: Northern Rose on May 17, 2012, 08:50:19 PM
 ::snipping2::

At an afternoon news briefing Thursday, Hawke said law enforcement assigned to the case are diligently pursuing "quite a bit of investigative activity."

"Whether it's stranger abduction or someone known to the family, both are being investigated," Hawke said.

Hawke said 20 detectives and 30 support personnel continue working the case.

"We haven't come across any signs that indicate that she's not alive," Hawke said.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.kpho.com/story/18506543/pd-isabels-family-had-previous-contact-with-cps


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: cookie on May 17, 2012, 08:51:34 PM
NG just said that there was a note scribbled by Isabel in her bedroom closet? Did I hear that right?? Anyone else heard about this before now?


Bumping this again for others to see and wondering if anyone else knows anything about it?



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2012, 08:52:39 PM
NG just said that there was a note scribbled by Isabel in her bedroom closet? Did I hear that right?? Anyone else heard about this before now?

Cookie ... my take.

A reporter asked Hawkes in a press conference about a note fount on the wall inside Isabel's closet.  Hawkes denied any knowledge but ... if she did the info would not be released.

At 7:00 PM PT ... there will be a repeat of NG (HLN) and ... a transcript should be posted about 10:00 PM PT.

Janet
5:45 PM PT

++++++

Nancy Grace - Transcripts
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: Northern Rose on May 17, 2012, 08:53:07 PM
NG just said that there was a note scribbled by Isabel in her bedroom closet? Did I hear that right?? Anyone else heard about this before now?

A Tucson police briefing today on the investigation into the disappearance of Isabel Celis was notable for questions police would not answer.

For example, while police again confirmed previous contact between the family and state Child Protective Services, Sgt. Maria Hawke said the department would not discuss the nature of the contact nor say when it occurred. The Star reported Thursday that state CPS had contact with the family in December.

Hawke said it would be inappropriate for police to discuss the state CPS case. She referred media to the state agency, which has refused to answer any questions related to the Celis family.

Hawke said police have gone to the home before, but she would not provide details or dates for the contact.

Hawke also did not answer a question from a reporter about anonymous and unconfirmed reports that investigators found a message apparently written by Isabel on her closet wall.

 ::snipping2::

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/tucson-police-give-few-new-details-in-search-for-isabel/article_22dbd07c-a068-11e1-bd01-001a4bcf887a.html


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: cookie on May 17, 2012, 08:56:39 PM
Thanks all for the replies. I was just stunned when I heard it on NG's show..had not heard that before...wonder what it said...secrets?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: cw618 on May 17, 2012, 08:57:39 PM
this is just a theory,and a what if

concerning isa eye color,she has hazel color eyes,her parents have brown eyes
i know depending on what eye color SC and BC,parents have,isa could,get the
hazel eye color,though it is a low percentage,IIRC,its something like a 10%
chance that isa would get hazel colored eyes
anyway what if SC is not the father,maybe the father took her,or SC just figed
it out and did......

img brown eyes
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13016.msg1524046#msg1524046

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1069513.1335762860!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/image.jpg (http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1069513.1335762860!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/image.jpg)

http://brightcove01.brightcove.com/21/13639249001/13639249001_1622364630001_D0C003320F3F45A3AF7A27276818E357.jpg?pubId=13639249001 (http://brightcove01.brightcove.com/21/13639249001/13639249001_1622364630001_D0C003320F3F45A3AF7A27276818E357.jpg?pubId=13639249001)


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: Northern Rose on May 17, 2012, 08:59:41 PM
Bones found at site of former DeAnza Drive-In, not related to Celis

http://www.kvoa.com/news/bones-found-at-site-of-former-deanza-drive-in-not-related-to-celis/


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: cecilita on May 17, 2012, 09:13:21 PM
this is just a theory,and a what if

concerning isa eye color,she has hazel color eyes,her parents have brown eyes
i know depending on what eye color SC and BC,parents have,isa could,get the
hazel eye color,though it is a low percentage,IIRC,its something like a 10%
chance that isa would get hazel colored eyes
anyway what if SC is not the father,maybe the father took her,or SC just figed
it out and did......

img brown eyes
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13016.msg1524046#msg1524046

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1069513.1335762860!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/image.jpg (http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1069513.1335762860!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/image.jpg)

http://brightcove01.brightcove.com/21/13639249001/13639249001_1622364630001_D0C003320F3F45A3AF7A27276818E357.jpg?pubId=13639249001 (http://brightcove01.brightcove.com/21/13639249001/13639249001_1622364630001_D0C003320F3F45A3AF7A27276818E357.jpg?pubId=13639249001)
I have brown eyes and my hubby blue eyes and the kidos have brown eyes...in my family my grandma and grandpa have green eyes and all my brother's kids have green eyes. Sergio and Beky seem to be light skin latins probably some of their family members  have hazel eyes


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: klaasend on May 17, 2012, 09:35:48 PM
My mom hazel eyes, dad light brown.  My eyes, blue.  Older sister dark brown eyes. 


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: cookie on May 17, 2012, 09:43:33 PM
My son and his wife both have hazel eyes..one grand daughter has hazel eyes and other grand daughter has china blue eyes...


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2012, 10:07:46 PM
NG repeat is starting right now!!

Janet
7:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cartfly on May 17, 2012, 11:26:35 PM
I don't think that he is macho..he is the opposite...i can tell  ::piggy::

Hubs is watching NG with me...saw and listened to Dad for the first time and what does he say? First thing....he is gay, I am telling you right now that he is gay...and an actor! Not knowing that dad is an actor!
Then a guest who is a friend of the dad's is talking who if I might say, is quite effeminate speaking...and hubs says, he is gay too.  Maybe Dad has a 'secret life'?

Nothing wrong with gay people..not what hubs comments were about, just what he had observed...




::rhino:: I think the same thing.....he is flaming  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: KittyMom on May 17, 2012, 11:41:16 PM
Eye color is based on your genes. 

http://www.sewanee.edu/chem/chem&art/Detail_Pages/ColorProjects_2003/Guttery/index.htm
The Genetics of Eye Color


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: cecilita on May 17, 2012, 11:51:50 PM
I believe that NG said that Isabel had a illness that only can be transmitted sexually and that was the reason that CPS was concerned about Isa?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: labubske on May 17, 2012, 11:54:50 PM
I believe that NG said that Isabel had a illness that only can be transmitted sexually and that was the reason that CPS was concerned about Isa?


WHAT?   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cecilita on May 17, 2012, 11:55:32 PM
I don't think that he is macho..he is the opposite...i can tell  ::piggy::

Hubs is watching NG with me...saw and listened to Dad for the first time and what does he say? First thing....he is gay, I am telling you right now that he is gay...and an actor! Not knowing that dad is an actor!
Then a guest who is a friend of the dad's is talking who if I might say, is quite effeminate speaking...and hubs says, he is gay too.  Maybe Dad has a 'secret life'?

Nothing wrong with gay people..not what hubs comments were about, just what he had observed...




::rhino:: I think the same thing.....he is flaming  ::MonkeyCool::
I thought that he was a reporter not the Dad's friend....he seems to be gay too...I believe that he was living a secret life.....


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: Monkey King on May 17, 2012, 11:57:58 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::
I believe that NG said that Isabel had a illness that only can be transmitted sexually and that was the reason that CPS was concerned about Isa?


WHAT?   ::MonkeyEek::

HUH??  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: cecilita on May 17, 2012, 11:58:25 PM
I believe that NG said that Isabel had a illness that only can be transmitted sexually and that was the reason that CPS was concerned about Isa?


WHAT?   ::MonkeyEek::
I was with my kids while NG was on TV so I couldnt heard pretty good but I believe that NG said that CPS was concern about Isa' illness


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: cecilita on May 17, 2012, 11:59:34 PM
I hope that NG was not talking about ISA.... my hubby heard the same thing..... ::dogwag::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: Puzzler on May 18, 2012, 12:03:00 AM
I don't think that he is macho..he is the opposite...i can tell  ::piggy::

Hubs is watching NG with me...saw and listened to Dad for the first time and what does he say? First thing....he is gay, I am telling you right now that he is gay...and an actor! Not knowing that dad is an actor!
Then a guest who is a friend of the dad's is talking who if I might say, is quite effeminate speaking...and hubs says, he is gay too.  Maybe Dad has a 'secret life'?

Nothing wrong with gay people..not what hubs comments were about, just what he had observed...




::rhino:: I think the same thing.....he is flaming  ::MonkeyCool::

I didn't explain my thoughts well enough - I didn't mean that Sergio is a "macho man" - quite the opposite.  I was just talking about his expression - I told her to get her butt home and the "laugh" afterwards - the "ha ha ha" - the laugh came across to me as him trying to express his "macho"....like, I "told her" what to do.

I see red flags with his expressions about Becky....I see them as disrespectful....I believe there's a lot more to this.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: Puzzler on May 18, 2012, 12:04:38 AM
::MonkeyShocked::
I believe that NG said that Isabel had a illness that only can be transmitted sexually and that was the reason that CPS was concerned about Isa?


WHAT?   ::MonkeyEek::

HUH??  ::MonkeyShocked::

I watched the NG Show...but I didn't hear anything about Isabel having an illness....maybe I missed it....when do the transcripts become available?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis
Post by: cecilita on May 18, 2012, 12:09:49 AM
I don't think that he is macho..he is the opposite...i can tell  ::piggy::

Hubs is watching NG with me...saw and listened to Dad for the first time and what does he say? First thing....he is gay, I am telling you right now that he is gay...and an actor! Not knowing that dad is an actor!
Then a guest who is a friend of the dad's is talking who if I might say, is quite effeminate speaking...and hubs says, he is gay too.  Maybe Dad has a 'secret life'?

Nothing wrong with gay people..not what hubs comments were about, just what he had observed...




::rhino:: I think the same thing.....he is flaming  ::MonkeyCool::

I didn't explain my thoughts well enough - I didn't mean that Sergio is a "macho man" - quite the opposite.  I was just talking about his expression - I told her to get her butt home and the "laugh" afterwards - the "ha ha ha" - the laugh came across to me as him trying to express his "macho"....like, I "told her" what to do.

I see red flags with his expressions about Becky....I see them as disrespectful....I believe there's a lot more to this.
Like the lady was in NG today,,,,she said something like Serigio has very little respect for woman


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 18, 2012, 12:09:56 AM
::MonkeyShocked::
I believe that NG said that Isabel had a illness that only can be transmitted sexually and that was the reason that CPS was concerned about Isa?


WHAT?   ::MonkeyEek::

HUH??  ::MonkeyShocked::

I watched the NG Show...but I didn't hear anything about Isabel having an illness....maybe I missed it....when do the transcripts become available?

Me neither.

The transcript should be posted with the next two hours.

Janet
9:05 PM PT

+++++

Nancy Grace Transcripts
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html



Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: cecilita on May 18, 2012, 12:11:52 AM
::MonkeyShocked::
I believe that NG said that Isabel had a illness that only can be transmitted sexually and that was the reason that CPS was concerned about Isa?


WHAT?   ::MonkeyEek::

HUH??  ::MonkeyShocked::

I watched the NG Show...but I didn't hear anything about Isabel having an illness....maybe I missed it....when do the transcripts become available?
Puzzler probably I am wrong but hubby heard the same thing ::piggy::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: Monkey King on May 18, 2012, 12:13:17 AM
With all the speculation about why CPS previously went to the Celis home, the suspicous behavoir of the parents, CPS LE searching for Isa in a "wash" area- , LE's reluctance to share the LDT results, LE's reluctance to share anything, etc..., all of these tidbits are adding up to what appears to not be a positive outcome for this child.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: Monkey King on May 18, 2012, 12:15:18 AM
With all the speculation about why CPS previously went to the Celis home, the suspicous behavoir of the parents, CPS LE searching for Isa in a "wash" area- , LE's reluctance to share the LDT results, LE's reluctance to share anything, etc..., all of these tidbits are adding up to what appears to not be a positive outcome for this child.    ::MonkeyNoNo::
With all the speculation about why CPS previously went to the Celis home, the suspicous behavoir of the parents, LE searching for Isa in a "wash" area- , LE's reluctance to share the LDT results, LE's reluctance to share anything, etc..., all of these tidbits are adding up to what appears to not be a positive outcome for this child.    ::MonkeyNoNo::

CPS doesn't belong in the second sentence~ Ooops!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: cecilita on May 18, 2012, 12:23:38 AM
why Sergio went to wake Isa up so early? what time supposed to be Isa's game?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: labubske on May 18, 2012, 12:26:03 AM
With all the speculation about why CPS previously went to the Celis home, the suspicous behavoir of the parents, CPS LE searching for Isa in a "wash" area- , LE's reluctance to share the LDT results, LE's reluctance to share anything, etc..., all of these tidbits are adding up to what appears to not be a positive outcome for this child.    ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sadly, I feel you are right.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: Puzzler on May 18, 2012, 12:41:33 AM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151941635.html

Day 27: "The hope is that she is still alive"

KGUN9 News found records showing TPD also visited the Celis family address multiple times in recent years.

“There have been calls to the residence previously,” Hawke commented. “I can't say specifically that it was the Celis family that lived there when those calls were made. But that's not necessarily unusual.”


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: Monkey King on May 18, 2012, 01:42:15 AM
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151941635.html

Day 27: "The hope is that she is still alive"

KGUN9 News found records showing TPD also visited the Celis family address multiple times in recent years.

“There have been calls to the residence previously,” Hawke commented. “I can't say specifically that it was the Celis family that lived there when those calls were made. But that's not necessarily unusual.”


The police are just as evasive in this case.

Granted, they have to withold information from the public to ensure the integrity of the investigation, facts only the perp would know, etc. 

I asked this question before, with all the time, manpower and resource$ to conduct a search in the "wash" area, running underwater sonar, this seems to me they are looking for a deceased individual.

Did the Celis's leave the game in 2 vehicles?

Did Rebecca leave with the 2 boys and Sergio leave, alone, with Isabel?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: Puzzler on May 18, 2012, 02:12:16 AM
Actually, this is the "second" time police have conducted a search in that wash area.

I don't know how much water there is there - does anyone know - I know this is a desert area.

But...if when it does rain, water washes in certain areas, then there could be "brush" to look through.

Anyone here know the "conditions" of the wash area?




Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: BabsKats on May 18, 2012, 02:58:10 AM
Actually, this is the "second" time police have conducted a search in that wash area.

I don't know how much water there is there - does anyone know - I know this is a desert area.

But...if when it does rain, water washes in certain areas, then there could be "brush" to look through.

Anyone here know the "conditions" of the wash area?



My dad lived in the Palm Springs area of So. Ca., and whenever they woulld have a "gully Washer", the sands from the mountains above would come down and cover any and everything in its way....every crevice could become a "wash" in no time.

Sometimes he would have near a foot or more of sand across his driveway....about all I can add......The deserts of the west can really become wild & raging


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: Puzzler on May 18, 2012, 03:37:44 AM
Actually, this is the "second" time police have conducted a search in that wash area.

I don't know how much water there is there - does anyone know - I know this is a desert area.

But...if when it does rain, water washes in certain areas, then there could be "brush" to look through.

Anyone here know the "conditions" of the wash area?



My dad lived in the Palm Springs area of So. Ca., and whenever they woulld have a "gully Washer", the sands from the mountains above would come down and cover any and everything in its way....every crevice could become a "wash" in no time.

Sometimes he would have near a foot or more of sand across his driveway....about all I can add......The deserts of the west can really become wild & raging

Thank you...makes sense that "sand" would settle in the wash.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: theboyzmom on May 18, 2012, 06:38:47 AM
I believe that NG said that Isabel had a illness that only can be transmitted sexually and that was the reason that CPS was concerned about Isa?


WHAT?   ::MonkeyEek::
I was with my kids while NG was on TV so I couldnt heard pretty good but I believe that NG said that CPS was concern about Isa' illness

I am pretty sure that was just an example of why CPS would become involved. But that there was involvement prior to this for "some" reason is disturbing.


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: cookie on May 18, 2012, 08:23:36 AM
I believe that NG said that Isabel had a illness that only can be transmitted sexually and that was the reason that CPS was concerned about Isa?


WHAT?   ::MonkeyEek::
I was with my kids while NG was on TV so I couldnt heard pretty good but I believe that NG said that CPS was concern about Isa' illness

I am pretty sure that was just an example of why CPS would become involved. But that there was involvement prior to this for "some" reason is disturbing.

Did not hear that comment about the illness at all...any thing in the transcripts?


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: cookie on May 18, 2012, 08:24:45 AM
I want to know what the note said that Isabel wrote on the inside of her closet!


Title: Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl - Isabel Mercedes Celis #1
Post by: klaasend on May 18, 2012, 09:22:48 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/17/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE

Message from Missing Isabel Celis?

Aired May 17, 2012 - 20:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Tucson. A parent`s worst nightmare, Mommy and Daddy tuck 6-year-old Isabel into bed. 8:00 AM, she`s gone. She usually sleeps with her two brothers, but not that night.

After a third search at the home and then on to a landfill, police back at the home to seize fabric and pillows from the family car. Then a stunning reveal from Tucson police who say the parents have, quote, "no sense of urgency." Mommy, Daddy and one of the brothers back at the home with heavy police escort to re-create the crime. Mommy and Daddy both taking polygraphs, but refuse to tell if they passed.

We spot a secret home security camera trained on the pathway to Isabel`s window. Why wasn`t it working that night? In a major twist, Isabel`s father now banned from any and all contact from the two remaining young sons, Isabel`s brothers, Mommy and Daddy now living separately.

We then obtain 911 calls that reveal a stunning contrast between Mommy and Daddy on with 911, Daddy calm, cool, even chuckling. This is just moments after he discovers his 6-year-old girl is gone. Mommy, on the other hand, hysterical. We have the audio. And are Daddy`s statements to police inconsistent?

Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, reports surface a message written by 6-year-old Isabel found scrawled on the little girl`s bedroom closet. And in another bombshell, we learn CPS -- Child Protective Services -- at the Celis home in the months leading up to her disappearance. At this hour, is Daddy`s phone under police tap? Tonight, where is 6-year-old Isabel?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: OK, how tall is she?

SERGIO CELIS, ISABEL`S FATHER: She is 5-2.

911 OPERATOR: No, I`m sorry, your daughter.

SERGIO CELIS: Oh, my daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His whole demeanor, the lack of emotion.

BECKY CELIS, ISABEL`S MOTHER: She`s, like, 44, 45 inches long.

SERGIO CELIS: My wife just got home and she`s kind of hysterical and freaking out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It just boggles my mind.

SERGIO CELIS: Told her to get her butt home.

We are cooperating to the fullest extent.

She is -- she is so -- she is so full of life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The window itself was completely open. There was no screen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) I don`t know what they did, but oh, my God!

SERGIO CELIS: Please, look at her. Look at her. She`s beautiful!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They have to eliminate themselves so law enforcement can go in other directions.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Isabel`s father was the first to report her missing on the morning of April 21st.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a saying in law enforcement...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The mother did not see Isabel before she went to work.

BECKY CELIS: I just -- I didn`t even kiss my daughter (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: OK...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... when you have no suspects, everybody is a suspect.

QUESTION: What can you tell me about a note in Isabel`s handwriting that was found in her closet two days after she disappeared?

QUESTION: It wasn`t actually a note, right? It was written on the wall.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We won`t confirm or discuss...

(END VIDEO CLIP)



GRACE: You`re seeing ABC`s "GMA" and NBC`s "Today."

Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, reports surface a message written by 6-year-old Isabel found scrawled inside the little girl`s bedroom closet.

And another bombshell. We learn Child Protective Services there at the home in the months leading up to her disappearance. OK, once again, why was CPS in the home? And if anything was wrong, why didn`t they do something before the child goes missing or is murdered?

We are taking your calls. Straight out to Gregg Paul, reporter, KFYI. Gregg, what do we know about reports a message scrawled inside Isabel`s closet in her bedroom?


GREGG PAUL, KFYI RADIO (via telephone): Nancy, it really brings another mysterious element to this case. What we are hearing is that possible message from Isabel, as you said, was found inside the closet, on the wall. But when police were asked about it, you just saw it, the -- Sergeant Hawke, she wouldn`t even confirm it. They wouldn`t talk about it. They don`t want to discuss it to protect the investigation. But it is an interesting twist to the story.

GRACE: OK, Greg Overzat, you`re there on the scene at the Tucson police station. What are you hearing? What are sources telling you, Greg?

GREG OVERZAT, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s right. Well, Nancy, this mysterious writing on the wall in Isabel`s closet -- cops would not comment on that. However, there are rumors swirling about its content, what may have been written, whether or not it was written by Isabel. We`re just waiting for cops to make any mention of it. All they are saying is that any part of evidence will not be discussed.

GRACE: Well, wait a minute. So Jean Casarez, they`re not denying it. When you ask about it, they`re not denying it, right?

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": That`s correct, they`re not denying it. And this would be in her own handwriting, not on a piece of paper, not in a notebook, but on the wall or even the door in her closet.

GRACE: OK, so Jean Casarez, the cops have been asked a lot of questions. And they say, Well, we are not aware of that. We don`t know anything about that. That has not come to our attention. But when they are asked, Was there a note written by Isabel written on the inside of her closet on one of the walls, they say they`re not going comment on it?

CASAREZ: So are they admitting by omission? That`s what you`re saying.

GRACE: So Jean, tell me, what do we know about reports that Isabel had actually hidden in her closet and written a note?

CASAREZ: We know because at a press conference locally in Arizona, somebody asked the question. Somebody put it out there that this little girl could have written something in her own penmanship of 6 years old, printing, but not on a piece of paper, it would be on her closet wall or her door. That`s what`s being said.

GRACE: OK, take a listen to what police said in the last hours.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

QUESTION: What can you tell me about a note in Isabel`s handwriting that was found in her closet two days after she disappeared?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have no knowledge of that. I`m not familiar with any note being left. But regardless, any items of evidence that would have been specifically located either in the house or in relation to this investigation won`t be discussed for obvious concerns of the integrity of the investigation.

QUESTION: It wasn`t actually a note (INAUDIBLE) it was written on the wall.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Again, any particular items of evidence that might relate to this investigation, may have been located in the residence or in association with the investigation, we won`t confirm or discuss the possibilities of evidence.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: So I notice she didn`t say, We won`t confirm or deny. she said, We will not confirm or discuss.

But to you, Ellie Jostad. There have been a lot of questions put to police, including questions I`ve put to them myself, where they say, I haven`t heard anything about that. I don`t know anything about that. But that`s not what they said.

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, she did, though, Nancy, start off saying, I have no knowledge of that. I have no knowledge of any note. But then she goes on to say, Any evidence that we might have found in the house we`re not going to confirm anyway.

It`s similar to the way they`ve answered other questions about what was or was not found in the house. They say, We`re not going to comment. And then they`ll say, Even if we did know about that, we wouldn`t tell you anyway. So it`s really hard to get a bead on what might have been found there in the house.

GRACE: To Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "Deal Breakers." Bethany, what is this telling you?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Well, little girls sometimes do write on the wall, OK? Children do that. It`s the content of the writing that we would want to know. Did she write, Daddy is a bad man? Did she draw a picture? A picture can be a treasure trove of information. And...

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GRACE: We don`t -- hold on, Bethany. We are not reporting anything about what was written in the closet, or what has been reported that what was written, the actual words that were written because we cannot confirm what was written. These are just reports we have not been able to confirm, yet. Go ahead.

MARSHALL: Well, are you kind of wondering what the significance is, then?

GRACE: Well, the significance of...

MARSHALL: Because I would think the significance would be the...

GRACE: ... a child going in a closet, hiding in a closet and writing a message.

MARSHALL: Well, that is a very perceptive question because the question would be, why did she write it inside the closet, rather than on a piece of paper? And presumably, because she did not want it to be seen.

What would be interesting to know is, did this child write on the walls in other parts of the house? Did she write on things she wasn`t supposed to write on? And what was that symptomatic of? You know what`s going to tell us a lot about this, Nancy, is who filed the report. That`s where we`re going learn the most.

Was it the pediatrician? Was it a school teacher? Was it a neighbor? And what was the report based on? Was it neglect? Was a pediatrician reporting that this little girl had infections, feminine infections that a little girl shouldn`t have?

So you would have to put that together with what was the content of the writing in the closet.

GRACE: Joining me right now is special guest out of LA, Dr. Charles Sophy, medical director, the LA County Department and Family Services, author of "Side by Side."

Dr. Sophy, let`s review why CPS would have been there in the home in the months leading up to her disappearance, this child`s disappearance. And no offense, Dr. Sophy. I`m not saying it was you, even though you`re with CPS, even though you are the medical director at LA County CPS.

But why is it we only hear about CPS when they neglect a child? A child ends up dead, ends up starved or beaten to death. In this case, the child is gone, out of her bedroom window. CPS was just there.

DR. SOPHY, MEDICAL DIR., LA COUNTY DEPT. OF FAMILY SERVICES: Right. I mean, that`s what is called a prior investigation, so it was a referral several months before. And now that informs this new allegation and this new referral. It gives it a whole different kind of context. There`s a meaning to it now. There`s a prior history. Something`s going on in that house, and now they got to go back and investigate. The reason you don`t always hear about...

GRACE: You know what, Dr. Sophy? Sophy, Sophy, Sophy!

SOPHY: Yes?

GRACE: I`m not a cryptologist, all right? Don`t say to me on national TV, There`s a meaning to it, like you`re looking into a crystal ball. What are you talking about? What do you mean, there`s a meaning to it? What`s the meaning?

SOPHY: Well, the -- the meaning is that they did something that rose to the level of somebody calling in a report, some kind of abuse, some kind of neglect. And it now was another one, so there`s two of them going on, and these people have red flags all around them.

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911 OPERATOR: Who noticed her gone, your husband?

BECKY CELIS: My husband.

SERGIO CELIS: We are cooperating to the fullest extent.

911 OPERATOR: Is Mom there also?

SERGIO CELIS: Yes, she had just left for work. I just called her and I told her to get her butt home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sergio Celis is banned from seeing his children.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police believe that he is guilty of something.

911 OPERATOR: How tall is she?

SERGIO CELIS: She is 5-2.

911 OPERATOR: No, I`m sorry, your daughter.

SERGIO CELIS: Oh, my daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whoever`s involved did an adequate job at really covering a lot of things that we could possibly look at.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know what they did, but oh, my God!

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GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. Joining me there in Tucson is Greg Overzat. Gregg Paul is with us, Jean Casarez in the field.

Joining me right now is close friend of the Celis family Joe Vega, who is a friend of Isabel`s father and mother. Joe, did you have any idea that CPS, Child Protective Services, had been in the Celis home already?

JOE VEGA, CELIS FAMILY FRIEND: No, today was the first I`ve heard of it.

GRACE: Now, Joe, you believe that the Celises are your friends and that Sergio Celis is a very close friend, do you not?

VEGA: Yes.

GRACE: And up until this point, you have been unwavering. You have supported him fully. Now that you know Child Protective Services has already been called to the home before this, does that change your opinion in any way?

VEGA: No, it doesn`t. I don`t know why Child Protective Services was called. It could be a number of reasons. Who knows who called. Could be a neighbor.

GRACE: When you say -- when you say...

VEGA: You know, we don`t know the situation. But I do know -- but I do know the family.

GRACE: When you say Child Protective Services could have been called for a number of reasons, what are the reasons with which you are familiar that Child Protective Services are called into a home?

VEGA: Well, mainly for abuse, things like that. But we don`t know who called. What if it`s a neighbor that -- where the kids were playing outside too loud and the neighbors called or something like that? You know, I don`t have the facts. I just heard about this today. I don`t have the facts.

But I know the family and I know how close the family is. So until I hear something definitive on why CPS was called, my feelings of the family do not change.

GRACE: Mr. Vega, have you been in the family home before?

VEGA: No, I have not.

GRACE: What did Mr. Celis, Sergio Celis, say to you regarding his phone lines being monitored?

VEGA: He didn`t say anything to me. I spoke with him the other night to let him know how his son did at our Little League game. And all he had told me was, you know, I`m sorry, I can`t talk that long, I need to get off the phone. And I didn`t ask him why. You know, I`m not going to -- I`m not going to grill my friend. He`s going through enough right now. I`m not going to grill him over anything like that.

GRACE: Didn`t he say to you...

VEGA: You know, he didn`t have to convey anything to me.

GRACE: ... Mr. Vega, that he couldn`t talk for long, that his calls, his phones were being monitored?

VEGA: He did not tell me his phones were being monitored. He told me he could not talk that long, that he had to get off the phone. Yes, he did not tell me his phones were being monitored. And I did not ask. Like I said, I`m not going to grill my friend. He`s going through enough. I just told him that I would probably call him back later in the week, after our next game, to let him know how his son is playing. He wants to know how his son is playing, so I told him I would let him know.

GRACE: Greg Overzat, what do we know about Sergio Celis`s phones being monitored?

OVERZAT: Well, Nancy, all we know is that the other night when Mr. Vega did speak to Sergio, he did say that, you know, he had to keep it short. He did relay a message to Joe for his son. But he other than that, he just had to keep it short.

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GRACE: With me is Greg Overzat, our producer there in the field at the Tucson police station. Along with him is Joe Vega, a very close friend of the Celis family.

Greg Overzat, do you recall speaking with Joe Vega yesterday and sending me a summery of that phone conversation around 5:00 PM your time? Yes, no.

OVERZAT: Yes, I do.

GRACE: OK. Do you recall writing, "Joe Vega says that Celis says his calls are being monitored and he has to keep his calls short"? I am quoting. Do you recall making that statement, Greg?

OVERZAT: Yes.

GRACE: Have I refreshed your recollection?

OVERZAT: You have. And Mr. Vega and I have discussed this (ph) to clarify. And we believe that it is actually Joe Vega right here who believes that the calls are being monitored. The words may not have explicitly come out of Sergio`s mouth to him, but the understanding was that the reasoning for his short phone calls was the presumption that they could be monitored.

GRACE: I`m glad you cleared that up, Greg Overzat. Thank you very much.

VEGA: (INAUDIBLE) my assumption.

GRACE: So Mr. Vega, why did you get the impression that Celis`s phone calls, Daddy`s calls, are being monitored by police?

VEGA: Well, I don`t know who they are being monitored by, or if they`re being monitored. He never used the word "monitor" with me. My assumption was...

GRACE: But you did.

VEGA: ... because he had to get off the phone quickly that -- my assumption was because he had to get off the phone quickly that they were probably being monitored. That`s my assumption. I did not relay that to him in any way. He did not use the word "monitored" in any way. That was my own assumption.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight, Sue Moss, New York, Richard Herman, Las Vegas, Alex Sanchez, New York.

To you, Richard Herman. Before you go crazy, let`s just you, Sanchez, Moss, let`s talk about how you tap somebody`s phone line. Give it to me in a nutshell, Herman -- a nutshell!

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: A nutshell. First of all, Nancy, I don`t recognize you. You look so skinny. My God, you`ve got to eat, girl! All right, now...

GRACE: Save it. Go ahead.

HERMAN: Save it. You got to make an application to the court. You have to put an affidavit of probable cause to get permission and a court order for a judge to give an eaves warrant -- eaves tapping and to allow you to wiretap, to get this phone. If you don`t do that, you just can`t go ahead and tap a phone. You got to have some coherent rationale to tap a phone.

GRACE: So bottom line, Sanchez, it`s just like searching a house. You got to have a little more probable cause to tap somebody`s phone. You can tap a home phone or a cell phone. Yes, no, Sanchez.

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, I mean, if they didn`t get probable cause, if they obtain any evidence from that, all that evidence is going to be suppressed because it was obtained illegally.

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UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: OK. How tall is she?

SERGIO CELIS, FATHER OF MISSING GIRL, ISABEL CELIS: She is 5`2".

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: No -- I`m sorry, your daughter.

S. CELIS: Oh my daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His whole demeanor, the lack of emotion.

REBECCA CELIS, MOTHER OF MISSING GIRL, ISABEL CELIS: She`s, like, 44, 45 inches long.

S. CELIS: My wife just got home and she`s kind of hysterical and freaking out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It just boggles my mind.

S. CELIS: I told her to get her butt home.

(LAUGHTER)

We are cooperating to the fullest extent. She is so full of life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The window itself completely open, there was no screen.

R. CELIS: Outside. They had to have jumped over the fence. I don`t know what they did. Oh, my god.

S. CELIS: Please, look at her. Look at her. She`s beautiful.

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: They have to eliminate themselves so law enforcement can go another direction.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Isabel`s father was the first person to report her missing on the morning of April 21st.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a saying in law enforcement.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The mother did not see Isabel before she went to work.

R. CELIS: I just -- and I didn`t even come in and check on her. I should have checked on her.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you have no suspects, everybody is a suspect.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What can you tell me about a note in Isabel`s handwriting that was found in her closet two days after she disappeared?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We won`t confirm or discuss.

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NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Welcome back. We are live and taking your calls. Stunning reports tonight out of Tucson that a note, a message was actually scrawled by 6-year-old Isabel from inside her bedroom closet. This, as we learn, that this is sending shockwaves through the child protective community. Child Protective Services was actually in the home in the month leading up to Isabel`s disappearance and apparently, once again, did nothing.

Straight out to Jean Casarez, on the story, joining us in the field.

Jean, recap for viewers just joining us.

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": So many developments. First, it came about at a press conference today. Somebody asked a question, what about a note that Isabel wrote herself inside her closet? Not on a piece of paper, not on a notebook, but on her door or the wall. The response was, well, don`t really know anything about a note. But even if we did, we`re not going to talk about it.

That, coupled with the fact that CPS previously went to the Celis home possibly in December of last year and they are still talking about an abduction. Inner circle, out of the family, and they are not discounting it`s drug related.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Terry in Texas. Hi, Terry. What is your question?

TERRY, CALLER FROM TEXAS: Hi. I will try to make this brief as possible that I have a comment and a question.

GRACE: OK.

TERRY: Did the father have any financial problems? And the comment was, his lack of emotion is almost seems smug like he knows that the people that may have