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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons) => Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin => Topic started by: MuffyBee on May 10, 2012, 05:50:06 PM



Title: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 - 6/14/13
Post by: MuffyBee on May 10, 2012, 05:50:06 PM
(http://www.clickorlando.com/image/view/-/10633534/medRes/2/-/maxh/360/maxw/640/-/a3pcufz/-/George-Zimmerman-and-Trayvon-Martin-jpg.jpg) Seminole County Sheriff's Office/Courtesy GlobalGrind.com



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 12, 2012, 10:08:52 PM
 ::MonkeyBikeYorkie::  ::bee::
We're over here now!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 12, 2012, 10:11:24 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/12/2892510/more-evidence-released-in-zimmerman.html
Detective in Zimmerman case said he was pressured to file charges 
Records released Thursday show a federal law-enforcement agent accompanied George Zimmerman to his police interrogations, and FBI interviews did not turn up any sign of racial bias in the shooting of Trayvon Martin.
July 12, 2012


BY FRANCES ROBLES
FROBLES@MIAMIHERALD.COM
The lead Sanford Police investigator who sought manslaughter charges against George Zimmerman told the FBI that a sergeant and two others officers tried to pressure him into making an arrest in the controversial case — even though he didn’t think there was enough evidence.

Sanford Police Officer Chris Serino first made headlines when evidence released in the case showed he sought manslaughter charges against Zimmerman even while his chief publicly said there was no probable cause to arrest him. But a document released late Thursday casts doubt on Serino’s prior sworn affidavit seeking criminal charges, and raises questions about the credibility of the star law-enforcement witness in the murder case against Zimmerman for the shooting death of a black teenager, Miami Gardens high school junior Trayvon Martin..

Telling the FBI that he was concerned that people inside the police department were leaking information, Serino cited Sgt. Arthur Barnes, officers Rebecca Villalona and Trekelle Perkins “as all pressuring him to file charges against Zimmerman after the incident,” an FBI report said. “Serino did not believe he had enough evidence at the time to file charges.”

The summary of Serino’s statement does not mention the race of the officers who allegedly pressured him, but sources told The Miami Herald that Barnes and Perkins are black, and Villalona is married to an African-American man. All three, the source said, had been called in by their supervisor and questioned about leaking information in the case.

A request Thursday evening to the Sanford Police Department for comment about Serino’s statement went unanswered.
More....


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 12, 2012, 10:12:38 PM
Cop: Zimmerman Was "Soft," Had "Hero Complex"
Records detail FBI probe of Trayvon Martin killing
July 12 '12

--The lead investigator in the Trayvon Martin shooting case told the FBI that George Zimmerman was not a racist, but rather an “overzealous” and  “soft guy” who had a “little hero complex,” according to documents released today by Florida prosecutors.
 
The records include a variety of FBI reports compiled in the course of a bureau probe examining whether the February shooting of the unarmed teenager was racially motivated. Individuals interviewed by federal agents uniformly described Zimmerman as mild-mannered and harboring no racial or ethnic prejudices.
 
In an April interview with two FBI agents, Christopher Serino, the Sanford Police Department’s lead investigator on the Martin killing, said that he believed Zimmerman’s actions “were not based on Martin’s skin color rather based on his attire, the total circumstances of the encounter and the previous burglary suspects in the community.”
 
Serino also “described Zimmerman as overzealous and as having a ‘little hero complex,’ but not as a racist.” Noting that he had spoken with Zimmerman on numerous occasions and “feels like he knows him fairly well,” Serino said that he believes Zimmerman did not want to be a cop because “cops have a bad reputation and are bullies, but he wants to be a judge.” Serino added that Zimmerman was a “soft guy.”
 
Also included in the released records was a Florida Department of Law Enforcement interview with a male friend of Zimmerman’s who recounted what the shooter told him after being released from police custody the morning after Martin’s killing. The man, whose name was redacted from the FDLE reort, is an Army veteran with whom Zimmerman and his wife lived with in the weeks following the February 26 shooting.
 
The witness told investigators that Zimmerman recalled spotting a “fidgety tall guy” loitering near a residence. After calling cops to report a suspicious person, Zimmerman said he was confronted by Martin, who asked, “Do you have a problem Mother f***er?” Zimmerman said he responded, “No, I don’t have a problem.” Martin then allegedly said “You do now,” and struck Zimmerman in the face. Zimmerman reported seeing “stars,” and “fell back, first onto his butt and then on to his back.”
 
As he struggled on the ground with Martin, the teenager (seen at left) sat atop Zimmerman in the “mounted position” and punched the neighborhood watch captain in the face and head and slammed his head on the pavement. After Martin reportedly realized Zimmerman was carrying a gun, he reached for the firearm, stating, “You’re gonna die now Mother f***er.”
 
Zimmerman, however, slapped Martin’s hand away from the gun and fired a single shot into the teen’s chest. The witness recounted that Zimmerman said Martin’s final words were, “You got it, ok, you got it".  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/george-zimmerman-fbi-interviews-689452




Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on July 12, 2012, 10:55:06 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/photo_shows_trayvon_martin_blood_0pXWpJiayltmMzlI5H1OIP

Photo shows Trayvon Martin's blood-soaked hoodie
Last Updated: 10:15 PM, July 12, 2012
Posted: 10:12 PM, July 12, 2012

A batch of newly released Trayvon Martin documents includes a grim photo of the slain teen’s blood-soaked hooded sweatshirt and fatal bullet hole.
 
The photo, unveiled today by Florida’s state attorney, shows the hole entered Martin’s sweatshirt in the left-center of his chest, about seven inches below the top of the cotton/polyester Nike sweatshirt.
 
Other photos taken by police right after the Feb. 26 shooting show bullet fragments from the fatal round fired by neighborhood watch leader George Zimmerman.
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In one of them, Sanford, Fla. Detective Christopher Serino, the lead investigator in the slaying, said Zimmerman’s actions were not motivated by race — but by the hoodie.

“Serino believed that Zimmerman’s actions were not based on Martin’s skin color rather based on his attire,” according to a report.
 
Serino said members of local gangs, who called themselves “Goons,” frequently wore hoodies and that why Zimmerman “took it upon himself to view Martin as acting suspicious.”
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Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/photo_shows_trayvon_martin_blood_0pXWpJiayltmMzlI5H1OIP#ixzz20T0cS0ha


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on July 12, 2012, 11:15:50 PM
http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/zimmerman-had-often-called-police-1.3835101

Zimmerman had often called police
Published: July 12, 2012 10:02 PM

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Ex-neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman called police at least six times in the months before he shot Trayvon Martin to death, reporting activity as benign as kids playing in the street to detailing the description of a suspected burglar.

Documents and recordings released yesterday point to Zimmerman's frustration with people seeming to get away with petty crimes in his gated community, though they do little to clear up what happened the night of the Feb. 26, 2011, shooting.
 ::snipping2::
The calls were among close to 50 that Zimmerman made to Sanford police over eight years.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 13, 2012, 11:05:44 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/america-live/index.html

July 12, 2012
Evidence released from FBI investigation into Zimmerman
Legal panel weighs in on the case

VIDEO


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Post by: MuffyBee on July 13, 2012, 12:39:08 PM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/12/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
School Showed `Total Disregard` for Child Rape Victims
Aired July 12, 2012 - 19:00   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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Plus, unbelievable details revealed about Neighborhood Watch shooter George Zimmerman`s past. You won`t believe what his ex-fiancee told cops, stories that claim pushing and kicking and other violence long before Zimmerman gunned down unarmed teen Trayvon Martin. All the details tonight.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happened here on April 20? And why did that happen?

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, ACCUSED SHOOT: He said, "Yo, you got a problem?`

I turned around. And I said, no, I don`t have a problem, man.

SYBRINA FULTON, TRAYVON`S MOTHER: This is not a black and white thing. This is about a right and wrong thing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Somehow Mr. Martin because he was wearing the hoodie is a criminal?

ZIMMERMAN:: I didn`t think I hit him because he sat up and he said, "Oh, you got me. You got it -- you got me, you got it," something like that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is not the grand conspiracy that the state seems to suggest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He had lacerations on the back of his head.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So his head was banged into something harder than his head.

(END VIDEO CLIP)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Astonishing new developments in the Trayvon Martin case. New evidence just released shows Trayvon`s shooter George Zimmerman -- are you sitting down -- wanted more guns after he shot Trayvon Martin dead in March.

You remember this? The nation exploding with protest because Zimmerman was still not arrested. Zimmerman`s in hiding. And we`re now learning tonight he was trying to get another gun. He contacted a gun shop asking for a weapon, allegedly. Why?

Zimmerman told the FBI that, quote "his life is in danger and he needs more guns."

Watch Zimmerman re-enact how he says this confrontation with Trayvon Martin went down.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ZIMMERMAN: When he was hitting my head against -- I felt like my head was going to explode and I thought I was going to lose consciousness.

He said, "You`re going to die tonight, (EXPLETIVE DELETED)." And he reached for it. But he reached -- like, I felt his arm going down to my side and I grabbed it. And I just grabbed my firearm and I shot one time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did Zimmerman have violent perhaps even racist tendencies? The FBI also interviewed his ex-fiancee who revealed the stunning accusation that during their engagement, quote, "Zimmerman hit her in the mouth with an open hand." Why -- because she was chewing gum. She also states that during an argument Zimmerman kicked her dog in the stomach when the dog approached him.

Will prosecutors be able to use this newly released evidence to portray Zimmerman as violence-prone? Give me a call, 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1- 877-586-7297.

Straight out to Natalie Jackson, the attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family; Natalie, thanks for joining us. What do you make of this bombshell new evidence just released hours ago?

NATALIE JACKSON, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN`S FAMILY: Well, there are 300 pages that were released by the state attorney`s office. I only went through half of it. I think it definitely will help the state with their case. There`s a lot of information -- new information that talks about the psychological of George Zimmerman.

But ultimately this case, the star witness of this case will be George Zimmerman and his own words; the smoking gun is his own words. So the jury will just -- they`ll come back and they`ll notice -- I believe that they`ll notice all the inconsistencies with the story and that will be what is the thing they consider most.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, listen, an ex-fiancee can sometimes hold a grudge.

But criminal defense attorney out of Miami, Michelle Suskauer, Zimmerman allegedly hit here in the mouth with his open hand because she was chewing gum? Kicks her dog, according to her? Will prosecutors be able to use this in court during his trial as evidence that he is prone to violence?

MICHELLE SUSKAUER, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know what; I don`t know if they -- listen, they are certainly going to want to try. But this is a prior bad act or prior bad act and they may not be able to use this at all.

But certainly it`s bad information about George Zimmerman if in fact this person is credible, which we do not know if she is credible or not. Just like you said, Jane, this is an ex-fiancee. This is someone who did not marry him for whatever reason. He broke up with her. She broke up with him. Who knows?

But, again, what is consistent from what everything I`ve read is that he does not come across as a racist. Everyone who has been interviewed and there were over 30 interviews about that.

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, ok.

SUSKAUER: But he does not come across -- no one has said that he ever has been that way. And so there are some very positive things, if you want to spin it in the other way, for the defense that have come out of all this document today.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Your thoughts on that, Natalie Jackson.

JACKSON: Well, I`m not saying that George Zimmerman is a racist or he isn`t, but there is a witness that has come out. That`s witness number 9, the controversial witness, whose statements have been redacted. But the statements that were released with witness number 9; she called two days after the shooting before all of the uprising and she did say that he had those tendencies.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Speaking of -- and I`m writing down a caller`s name and state. So let me continue now. Speaking of this whole issue of whether or not he`s racist, evidence released today once again raises this question, was George Zimmerman racist? Is he a racist? Does he have those tendencies?

Now, police did suspect that although Zimmerman himself hotly denied it. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This person was not doing anything bad. You know the name of the person that died?

ZIMMERMAN: Trayvon?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trayvon.

ZIMMERMAN: Trayvon Martin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trayvon Benjamin Martin. He was born in 1995, February the 5th. He was 17 years old. In his possession we found a can of iced tea and a bag of Skittles and about $40 in cash. Not the goon.

You got problems with black people?

ZIMMERMAN: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ok. I had to ask.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. "So you got problems with black people?" "No." "Ok, I had to ask." Zimmerman constantly claims he`s not racist.

But in this new evidence some disturbing things from his MySpace profile. He wrote about Mexicans walking on the side of the street soft (EXPLETIVE DELETED) want-to-be thugs messing with cars and he goes on to complain about getting knives pulled on you by every Mexican you run into.

Now, Robi Ludwig, this sounds to me like a very judgmental person who makes sweeping generalizations and assumptions based on people based on their ethnicity, their appearance, whatever. Isn`t that exactly what he did to Trayvon Martin?

ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, it sounds that way. And of course we`ll find out more details. But he also sounds very paranoid to me and highly reactive. And when someone`s in a paranoid state, then they tend to see things if you are in an outsiders group, you`re an enemy. You`re either an outsider or an insider.

And that`s what I see about Zimmerman. He seems perhaps when he`s not well is increasingly paranoid, increasingly more suspicious and increasingly highly reactive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What I found astounding about these documents, Tanya Acker, is that until the shooting -- oh the irony -- he was not on good terms with his own parents and he became on better terms after the shooting.

So what`s adding up here is somebody who has a tendency to get into arguments -- the ex-fiancee, Trayvon Martin, his own parents.

TANYA ACKER, ATTORNEY: I think that George Zimmerman`s best hope in his trial moving forward is he is going to have to take the stand. And he`s going to have to take a story. And he`s going to have to tell his story.

And if he does that, he is possibly going to open up the door to all of these other sorts of questions. He`s going to have to answer questions about his prior relationships, his tendency toward violence.

And look, the whole notion about whether or not he`s racist or not racist, whether or not Trayvon Martin was brought to his attention or whether or not George Zimmerman thought that Trayvon was more dangerous because he was black, that doesn`t necessarily turn on whether or not Zimmerman had a history of using the n-word or being in a hate group. They`re separate issues.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Now, we`re going to the phone lines quickly. Crystal, Iowa, your thought, my dear.
CRYSTAL, IOWA (via telephone): does Trayvon`s family have any right to sue for the poor handling of their case?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, well that`s an excellent question. Very quickly, Michelle Suskauer, can Trayvon Martin`s family sue?

SUSKAUER: Well, who are they going to sue? Suing law enforcement? There`s immunity. But suing George Zimmerman, potentially. But, again, in Florida the "Stand Your Ground" law it`s very possible that they will have -- that George Zimmerman may be able to have civil immunity under this law. So that is an option.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Natalie Jackson, any plans now for a civil suit?

JACKSON: That is something that we have not ruled out the possibility. Right now the parents they are more concerned with the criminal case and what happens with George Zimmerman.

Jane, I want to talk about the racism issue. The state is not charging George Zimmerman with any racial crime. So that really -- that is not an issue here. They have not charged him with any sort of hate or racial crime. They are charging him straight with murder two. And the profiling that they`re alleging is criminal profiling.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. We are on top of this story. Thank you Natalie Jackson. Thank you my entire panel. Come here for the latest on the Zimmerman case.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 13, 2012, 04:01:43 PM
https://twitter.com/bobkealing (https://twitter.com/bobkealing)

bob kealing ‏@bobkealing
‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬ motion expresses fear that judge's negative impression of him could carry over to immunity hearing. ‪#TrayvonMartin‬

5m bob kealing ‏@bobkealing
‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬ motion accuses Judge Lester of departing from role as "objective, impartial minister of justice." Asks he be disqualified.

9m bob kealing ‏@bobkealing
‪#breakingnews‬ ‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬ files motion to disqualify Judge Ken Lester from the case.



https://twitter.com/RichardHornsby (https://twitter.com/RichardHornsby)

Richard Hornsby ‏@RichardHornsby
@bobkealing angling for retired Judge Eaton be appointed to the case I bet!  7m


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 13, 2012, 04:08:57 PM
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on July 13, 2012, 05:27:15 PM
Zimmerman seeks new judge in murder trial
 Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:58pm EDT
(Reuters) - The Florida man charged with second-degree murder in the killing of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin asked for a new judge in the case on Friday, accusing the judge currently assigned to the case of bias.
Lawyers for George Zimmerman filed a motion requesting that Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester withdraw from the trial.
In the filing, Zimmerman alleged that Lester had made "gratuitous" and "disparaging remarks" about him during a July 5 bond hearing and offered "a personal opinion" in the case.
"In doing so, the Court has created a reasonable fear in Mr. Zimmerman that this Court is biased against him and because of this prejudice he cannot receive a fair and impartial trial or hearing by this Court," the motion said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/13/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE86C15H20120713
It is the second time Zimmerman and his legal team have requested a new judge.
In April, they asked the judge presiding at the time to step aside because of a possible conflict of interest after revelations that the judge's husband had been contacted by Zimmerman's family as part of their search for a defense attorney.
The request was granted and Lester was appointed at that time to serve as judge in the case.
Last week, Zimmerman was released from a Florida jail on a $1 million bail. He claims self-defense in the February 26 shooting death of 17-year-old Martin in a gated community in the central Florida city of Sanford.
Martin's killing drew national attention because police initially declined to arrest Zimmerman, citing Florida's "Stand Your Ground" self-defense law and his assertion that he used deadly force because he feared his life was in danger.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 13, 2012, 06:18:58 PM
https://twitter.com/bobkealing (https://twitter.com/bobkealing)

bob kealing ‏@bobkealing
‪#breakingnews‬ state says it will file objection to ‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬ motion to disqualify Judge Lester.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 13, 2012, 06:31:29 PM
https://twitter.com/DaraleneJones (https://twitter.com/DaraleneJones)

Daralene Jones ‏@DaraleneJones
Prosecutors said they will release Witness9 Statement Monday. Meanwhile, they OBJECT to ‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬ motion, asking for a new judge  7m



https://twitter.com/MarkNeJame (https://twitter.com/MarkNeJame)

Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame
Am appearing on @cnnn @ErinBurnett at 7:30 tonite. Discussing defense motion to recuse ‪#judgelester‬ in @georgezimmerman @trayvonmartin case.  4m


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on July 13, 2012, 07:45:29 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/13/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html

Zimmerman asks for another new judge
updated 6:20 PM EDT, Fri July 13, 2012

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Also Friday, Lester denied Zimmerman's motion seeking reconsideration of an order allowing for public disclosure of statements from a person identified only as "Witness 9" and telephone calls recorded while he was being held in Seminole County Jail.
 
The witness statements and some of the calls will be available at 11 a.m. Monday, the state attorney's office said.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on July 13, 2012, 08:19:38 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-13/news/os-george-zimmerman-witness-9-jail-calls-20120713_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-mark-o-mara

Zimmerman judge orders release of jail calls, 'Witness 9' statement
4:16 p.m. EST, July 13, 2012|

Despite objections by George Zimmerman's attorneys, the public will get to hear 145 additional phone calls Zimmerman made from the Seminole County jail, as well as the statement of a witness who says he doesn't like black people.

The witness, identified as "Witness 9" in prosecution documents, has not been publicly identified. One of her two statements has been withheld from the public so far, and attorney Mark O'Mara argued it should stay that way.

In her other statement, Witness 9 says that she knows Zimmerman, as well as his family.

"I know George, and I know that he does not like black people," she said, speaking to a Sanford police investigator. "He would start something. He's a very confrontational person. It's in his blood. Let's just say that."

She went on to describe Zimmerman and his family as "just mean and open about it, and I don't know what he's capable of, but I do know things that he's done to me that I would never, I would never talk to him about ever again."

O'Mara wrote in a motion that the not-yet-released second statement "is not relevant" to the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, and would "serve to reignite and potentially enhance the widespread public hostility toward Mr. Zimmerman."

However, Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester wrote in an order filed Friday that public records law requires the release of evidence, unless it would present a "serious and imminent threat to the administration of justice."

The statement, Lester writes, does not reach that high bar
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on July 13, 2012, 08:26:51 PM
http://gzlegalcase.com/

Verified Motion to Disqualify Trial Judge
on 13 July 2012.

We filed this Verified Motion to Disqualify Trial Judge based upon our review of the Court’s July 6 Order Setting Bond and Florida Rule of Judicial Administration 2.330(d)(1), and after lengthy discussions among the defense team and with George. We feel our motion is in complete compliance with the rule, and await Judge Lester’s decision so this matter may move forward.
 
Verified Motion to Disqualify Trial Judge
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/motions/motion_to_disqualify.pdf


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on July 14, 2012, 02:30:44 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-13/news/os-george-zimmerman-witness-9-jail-calls-20120713_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-mark-o-mara

Zimmerman judge orders release of jail calls, 'Witness 9' statement
4:16 p.m. EST, July 13, 2012|

Despite objections by George Zimmerman's attorneys, the public will get to hear 145 additional phone calls Zimmerman made from the Seminole County jail, as well as the statement of a witness who says he doesn't like black people.

The witness, identified as "Witness 9" in prosecution documents, has not been publicly identified. One of her two statements has been withheld from the public so far, and attorney Mark O'Mara argued it should stay that way.

In her other statement, Witness 9 says that she knows Zimmerman, as well as his family.

"I know George, and I know that he does not like black people," she said, speaking to a Sanford police investigator. "He would start something. He's a very confrontational person. It's in his blood. Let's just say that."

She went on to describe Zimmerman and his family as "just mean and open about it, and I don't know what he's capable of, but I do know things that he's done to me that I would never, I would never talk to him about ever again."

O'Mara wrote in a motion that the not-yet-released second statement "is not relevant" to the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, and would "serve to reignite and potentially enhance the widespread public hostility toward Mr. Zimmerman."

However, Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester wrote in an order filed Friday that public records law requires the release of evidence, unless it would present a "serious and imminent threat to the administration of justice."

The statement, Lester writes, does not reach that high bar
 ::snipping2::


If you are being tried for a criminal and unlawful act usually the evidence against you is not going to make people like you yet the public has a right to know. 

I do not understand why white people are so fearful of black people.  Alot of folks worrying about riots and George fearing for his life.  It's silly.  The only group I've heard of making threats toward GZ is a group I think is totally fake... The 'new' Black Panthers.  Someone please tell me who is in this group, where they are located, and what type of actual activities they conduct.  It's like the man behind the curtain, a Wizard of Oz, a phantom group being used by the media to strike hatred and vitriol and make GZ out to be some victim, which he is not, IMO.


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Post by: Puzzler on July 14, 2012, 04:35:05 AM
O'Mara's Motion to Disqualify is well-written.

I remember when Judge Lester's ruling on the 2nd bond came out and my thinking that the judge is not a mind reader.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: kcrn on July 14, 2012, 04:41:34 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-13/news/os-george-zimmerman-witness-9-jail-calls-20120713_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-mark-o-mara

Zimmerman judge orders release of jail calls, 'Witness 9' statement
4:16 p.m. EST, July 13, 2012|

Despite objections by George Zimmerman's attorneys, the public will get to hear 145 additional phone calls Zimmerman made from the Seminole County jail, as well as the statement of a witness who says he doesn't like black people.

The witness, identified as "Witness 9" in prosecution documents, has not been publicly identified. One of her two statements has been withheld from the public so far, and attorney Mark O'Mara argued it should stay that way.

In her other statement, Witness 9 says that she knows Zimmerman, as well as his family.

"I know George, and I know that he does not like black people," she said, speaking to a Sanford police investigator. "He would start something. He's a very confrontational person. It's in his blood. Let's just say that."

She went on to describe Zimmerman and his family as "just mean and open about it, and I don't know what he's capable of, but I do know things that he's done to me that I would never, I would never talk to him about ever again."

O'Mara wrote in a motion that the not-yet-released second statement "is not relevant" to the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, and would "serve to reignite and potentially enhance the widespread public hostility toward Mr. Zimmerman."

However, Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester wrote in an order filed Friday that public records law requires the release of evidence, unless it would present a "serious and imminent threat to the administration of justice."

The statement, Lester writes, does not reach that high bar
 ::snipping2::


If you are being tried for a criminal and unlawful act usually the evidence against you is not going to make people like you yet the public has a right to know. 

I do not understand why white people are so fearful of black people.  Alot of folks worrying about riots and George fearing for his life.  It's silly.  The only group I've heard of making threats toward GZ is a group I think is totally fake... The 'new' Black Panthers.  Someone please tell me who is in this group, where they are located, and what type of actual activities they conduct.  It's like the man behind the curtain, a Wizard of Oz, a phantom group being used by the media to strike hatred and vitriol and make GZ out to be some victim, which he is not, IMO.
White people are fearful of black people? Really? Kind of a broad statement dont u think? I myself am fearful of people who are mentally unstable or just plain evil. Anyone who would riot over something like this case is imo mentally unstable or just evil or full of hate. Those types of people scare me. Not black people.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: klaasend on July 14, 2012, 10:55:56 AM
kcrn - I totally agree!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: labubske on July 14, 2012, 12:12:56 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-13/news/os-george-zimmerman-witness-9-jail-calls-20120713_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-mark-o-mara

Zimmerman judge orders release of jail calls, 'Witness 9' statement
4:16 p.m. EST, July 13, 2012|

Despite objections by George Zimmerman's attorneys, the public will get to hear 145 additional phone calls Zimmerman made from the Seminole County jail, as well as the statement of a witness who says he doesn't like black people.

The witness, identified as "Witness 9" in prosecution documents, has not been publicly identified. One of her two statements has been withheld from the public so far, and attorney Mark O'Mara argued it should stay that way.

In her other statement, Witness 9 says that she knows Zimmerman, as well as his family.

"I know George, and I know that he does not like black people," she said, speaking to a Sanford police investigator. "He would start something. He's a very confrontational person. It's in his blood. Let's just say that."

She went on to describe Zimmerman and his family as "just mean and open about it, and I don't know what he's capable of, but I do know things that he's done to me that I would never, I would never talk to him about ever again."

O'Mara wrote in a motion that the not-yet-released second statement "is not relevant" to the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, and would "serve to reignite and potentially enhance the widespread public hostility toward Mr. Zimmerman."

However, Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester wrote in an order filed Friday that public records law requires the release of evidence, unless it would present a "serious and imminent threat to the administration of justice."

The statement, Lester writes, does not reach that high bar
 ::snipping2::


If you are being tried for a criminal and unlawful act usually the evidence against you is not going to make people like you yet the public has a right to know. 

I do not understand why white people are so fearful of black people.  Alot of folks worrying about riots and George fearing for his life.  It's silly.  The only group I've heard of making threats toward GZ is a group I think is totally fake... The 'new' Black Panthers.  Someone please tell me who is in this group, where they are located, and what type of actual activities they conduct.  It's like the man behind the curtain, a Wizard of Oz, a phantom group being used by the media to strike hatred and vitriol and make GZ out to be some victim, which he is not, IMO.
White people are fearful of black people? Really? Kind of a broad statement dont u think? I myself am fearful of people who are mentally unstable or just plain evil. Anyone who would riot over something like this case is imo mentally unstable or just evil or full of hate. Those types of people scare me. Not black people.

Here is where the Black Panthers are located:
Vallejo, CA 94590
http://www.blackpanther.org/contact.html

They are an actual group and I would fear them.  However, they are not the norm.  But, it only takes one person that is listening to all of this chaos to do the deed.  Black or white...or any other race...GZ isn't "white." So, I don't know.  But, the black community sure is playing it up to their advantage...and I am saying that from personal experience through people that I know.  Anything to ensure that racism continue to exist...(and the majority is not from "white" people) for if it didn't what well...oh, nevermind.  MOO!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on July 14, 2012, 05:38:35 PM
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/7/13/george_zimmerman_mot.html

George Zimmerman's attorneys file motion to disqualify judge
Last Updated: Saturday, July 14, 2012 @ 05:32AM

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Analyst: Judge may recuse himself

Legal analyst David Fussell thinks the Judge Lester may grant this motion.
 
“The question is whether Mr. Zimmerman feels like he can get a fair trial from this judge, and if they put all the language in there from the order the judge issued, he’ll probably grant the motion to recuse," Fussell explained.
 
The first judge assigned to the case, Jessica Recksiedler, stepped down in April 2012 because of a personal conflict of interest.
 
However, this time, the reason for Judge Lester stepping down would be because of a perceived personal bias and a perceived negative opinion of Zimmerman.
 
Zimmerman is currently out on bond as he faces second-degree murder charges for shooting and killing teen.
 
“He doesn’t want to try the case and have it reversed on appeal, and probably doesn’t want to take a lot of time and have this case go up to the appellate court now. I would suspect after he reads it, considers it and thinks it over, he’ll probably recuse himself," Fussell concluded.
 
Near the end of the 13-page motion, Zimmerman’s attorneys quoted legal precedence saying, “every litigant is entitled to nothing less than the cold neutrality of an impartial judge," claiming Judge Kenneth Lester is not capable of being impartial anymore.
 
We reached out to the Florida Court System for Lester's reaction, and were told the judge is not allowed to comment on pending legal cases.
 
Fussell said we should expect a decision from Judge Lester early next week.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 14, 2012, 05:57:48 PM
Two more point of views....

https://twitter.com/TennisLaw (https://twitter.com/TennisLaw)


Diana Tennis ‏@TennisLaw
4h As we contemplate Zimmerman recusal # 2; note state planning to respond - unheard of, useless, and guarantees def motion granted ‪#overreach‬

4h Richard Hornsby ‏@RichardHornsby
@TennisLaw I disagree the standard for granting changes on the second and subsequent motions to prevent judge shopping. ‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬

4h Diana Tennis ‏@TennisLaw
@RichardHornsby Despite higher standard they meet it, Lester doesn't care or he would not have gone nuclear, state butting in clinches it

Richard Hornsby ‏@RichardHornsby
@TennisLaw personally, I don't think he went nuclear considering the fraud that Zimmerman perpetuated on the court.

3h Diana Tennis ‏@TennisLaw
@RichardHornsby oh good grief. you sound like a misdemeanor prosecutor. this is barely above garden variety fudging done by dummies daily

Richard Hornsby ‏@RichardHornsby
@TennisLaw You're insane, if that sh!t had been pulled in front of a Kaney, Conrad, or either judge Perry ‪#Zimmerman‬ would be under jail now

3h Diana Tennis ‏@TennisLaw
@RichardHornsby Now you sound like a prosecutor from the eighties. Do not agree about Perry, and I don't come close to meeting McNaughten:)

Richard Hornsby ‏@RichardHornsby
@TennisLaw We talking about same @VoteBelvinPerry who sentenced mentally challenged woman & unemployed waiter to jail during Anthony trial?

3h Diana Tennis ‏@TennisLaw
@RichardHornsby @VoteBelvinPerry Not for a year he didn't.

Diana Tennis ‏@TennisLaw
@RichardHornsby And the waiter loved it.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 14, 2012, 06:00:36 PM
http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm

There Is No New Black Panther Party: An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: labubske on July 14, 2012, 06:02:00 PM
http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm

There Is No New Black Panther Party: An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation

Yeah...the only address that I found was in Vallego.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: labubske on July 14, 2012, 06:02:22 PM
http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm

There Is No New Black Panther Party: An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation

Yeah...the only address that I found was in Vallejo.

self edit...can't spell...:)


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: labubske on July 14, 2012, 06:04:22 PM
http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm

There Is No New Black Panther Party: An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation

Yeah...the only address that I found was in Vallejo.

self edit...can't spell...:)

Hmmm...so I guess all that this means is anywhere that the term "Black Panther" has been placed...needs to be replaced with "Group Posing as Black Panthers."  Either way and whomever it is...they are still dangerous in my book.


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Post by: MuffyBee on July 14, 2012, 07:08:11 PM
http://twitter.com/marknejame (http://twitter.com/marknejame)
7h Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame
@coreybking I think judge is very fair and shouldn't be recused. In order to preserve appeal defense apparently believed it needed to file

8:27 AM - 14 Jul 12 via Twitter for iPhone · Details


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 14, 2012, 07:25:59 PM
http://twitter.com/marknejame (http://twitter.com/marknejame)
7h Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame
@coreybking I think judge is very fair and shouldn't be recused. In order to preserve appeal defense apparently believed it needed to file

8:27 AM - 14 Jul 12 via Twitter for iPhone · Details
Yes, he said the same thing last night on CNN. I'm just wondering why the State is going to file a motion regarding this, if it's pretty much a standard thing to do.  I don't believe Judge Lester will step down. I hope the appellate court rules swiftly on this, if it goes there.  I can't quite figure them out. CA's appeal is still there, yet Hataway has already been denied his.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: islandmonkey on July 14, 2012, 08:06:32 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-13/news/os-george-zimmerman-witness-9-jail-calls-20120713_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-mark-o-mara

Zimmerman judge orders release of jail calls, 'Witness 9' statement
4:16 p.m. EST, July 13, 2012|

Despite objections by George Zimmerman's attorneys, the public will get to hear 145 additional phone calls Zimmerman made from the Seminole County jail, as well as the statement of a witness who says he doesn't like black people.

The witness, identified as "Witness 9" in prosecution documents, has not been publicly identified. One of her two statements has been withheld from the public so far, and attorney Mark O'Mara argued it should stay that way.

In her other statement, Witness 9 says that she knows Zimmerman, as well as his family.

"I know George, and I know that he does not like black people," she said, speaking to a Sanford police investigator. "He would start something. He's a very confrontational person. It's in his blood. Let's just say that."

She went on to describe Zimmerman and his family as "just mean and open about it, and I don't know what he's capable of, but I do know things that he's done to me that I would never, I would never talk to him about ever again."

O'Mara wrote in a motion that the not-yet-released second statement "is not relevant" to the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, and would "serve to reignite and potentially enhance the widespread public hostility toward Mr. Zimmerman."

However, Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester wrote in an order filed Friday that public records law requires the release of evidence, unless it would present a "serious and imminent threat to the administration of justice."

The statement, Lester writes, does not reach that high bar
 ::snipping2::


If you are being tried for a criminal and unlawful act usually the evidence against you is not going to make people like you yet the public has a right to know. 

I do not understand why white people are so fearful of black people.  Alot of folks worrying about riots and George fearing for his life.  It's silly.  The only group I've heard of making threats toward GZ is a group I think is totally fake... The 'new' Black Panthers.  Someone please tell me who is in this group, where they are located, and what type of actual activities they conduct.  It's like the man behind the curtain, a Wizard of Oz, a phantom group being used by the media to strike hatred and vitriol and make GZ out to be some victim, which he is not, IMO.
White people are fearful of black people? Really? Kind of a broad statement dont u think? I myself am fearful of people who are mentally unstable or just plain evil. Anyone who would riot over something like this case is imo mentally unstable or just evil or full of hate. Those types of people scare me. Not black people.

Here is where the Black Panthers are located:
Vallejo, CA 94590
http://www.blackpanther.org/contact.html

They are an actual group and I would fear them.  However, they are not the norm.  But, it only takes one person that is listening to all of this chaos to do the deed.  Black or white...or any other race...GZ isn't "white." So, I don't know.  But, the black community sure is playing it up to their advantage...and I am saying that from personal experience through people that I know.  Anything to ensure that racism continue to exist...(and the majority is not from "white" people) for if it didn't what well...oh, nevermind.  MOO!


Me too, I could post hundreds of links and videos over riots, one recently was over a pair of damn tennis shoes in Orlando, I all too well remember the riots after the Rodney King Verdict and Sharpton has encited too many riots to post, but 2 in particular were violent enough that 8 ppl were killed....How many whites have been brutally beaten in the name of justice for Trayvon all over the country..and it's not just here, this article broke my heart when I read about this, so to say anyone has no reason to fear riots and thug pack mentality (of any color), well it just seems extremely naive when we have already seen proof of such behavoir .....the race card never expires it seems to racist agitators-God help us if these are who the youth look up to.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2147730/Father-56-critical-condition-stabbed-trying-shield-dying-son-frenzied-attack-hoodie-gang-outside-pub.html


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Father, 56, fighting for life after being stabbed trying to shield dying son from frenzied attack by hoodie gang outside pub after Chelsea match


20 hooded youths stormed pub with knives 'like a pack of wolves'


The pair were attacked when a gang armed with bats and knives stormed the north London pub after father and son had watched Chelsea win the cup together at on Saturday.


A forensic tent remained at the scene of the tragedy just yards from the pub near his Dollis Hill home.

A female friend, 22, who asked not be named, said: 'Luke was one of the nicest guys around, always looking after people, he actually cared about people, a really nice, funny guy.

'The amount of flowers that are here just shows how loved he was, this has ruined this community.

'I was there on Saturday and it was like something out of a horror film.


'There were about 20 young black guys all with their hoods up armed with sticks and bats and knives. They just ran in the pub and started trying to attack people.


 ::snipping2::

WRT the NBP, Malik Shabazz has been all over twitter enouraging that all "crackers" attending the RNC here in Florida should be killed......yep, that's crazy azz chit-what is some unbalanced nutjob actually does this?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/new-black-panther-threatens-whitey-kill-these-racist-honkies-these-crackers-these-pigs-these-pink-people/

New Black Panthers Threaten to Kill Crackers – Promise SHOWDOWN at RNC

Posted by Jim Hoft on Monday, June 25, 2012, 12:14 PM

On top of all of this, the 3 detectives that wanted GZ arrested said the black community would be in uproar if he wasn't....it's in the story, I tend to believe they believe the uproar worry, and riots easily.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/12/v-fullstory/2892510/more-evidence-released-in-zimmerman.html



The summary of Serino’s statement does not mention the race of the officers who allegedly pressured him, but sources told The Miami Herald that Barnes and Perkins are black, and Villalona is married to an African-American man. All three, the source said, had been called in by their supervisor and questioned about leaking information in the case.

A request Thursday evening to the Sanford Police Department for comment about Serino’s statement went unanswered.

“Our position has always been that there’s something going on in the Sanford Police Department,” said Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon’s family. “All of this is window dressing. What’s important is George Zimmerman’s statements, which are inconsistent and factually impossible.”

Serino, a 15-year veteran of the department who was a major-crimes investigator, was demoted last month to overnight patrol. Tapes of his interviews with Zimmerman show him poking holes in the former neighborhood watch volunteer’s account of what happened the night he killed Trayvon. Serino told the FBI that Zimmerman had a “little hero complex” and sounded “scripted.” However, he said he believed Zimmerman targeted Trayvon because of his attire, the circumstances and recent burglaries in the area, not the color of the teen’s skin.

In his FBI interview, Serino accused Sgt. Barnes of being “friendly” with Tracy Martin, Trayvon’s father. He said Tracy Martin at first understood why no charges were filed, but later changed coursse and accused Zimmerman of racial profiling.

Crump denied that Tracy Martin ever changed postures. Martin, he said, sought legal counsel the very day Serino told him no charges would be filed.

Records released Thursday show that Sgt. Barnes, a 25-year veteran of the department, told the FBI that he believed the black community would be “in an uproar” if Zimmerman was not charged. “The community will be satisfied if an arrest takes place,” the FBI quoted him saying. Barnes “felt the shooting was not racially motivated, but it was a man shooting an unarmed kid.”

The report does not make clear why Serino would feel pressure from Barnes and the other two officers he mentioned, when he had the backing of the police chief. Chief Lee was fired last month for his role in the widely disparaged investigation.





































Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: kcrn on July 14, 2012, 09:04:01 PM
http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm

There Is No New Black Panther Party: An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation

Yeah...the only address that I found was in Vallejo.

self edit...can't spell...:)

Hmmm...so I guess all that this means is anywhere that the term "Black Panther" has been placed...needs to be replaced with "Group Posing as Black Panthers."  Either way and whomever it is...they are still dangerous in my book.
Well even if they arent an officially organized group that has a secretary, a vp &a treasurer & they have monthly meetings (insert sarcasm here) the fact of the matter is that I highly doubt these people that call themselves the new black panthers are white. They are clearly very racist & have no problems spewing hatred against whites or "crackers" as they so affectionately call us. They are just the type of people that kill & cause riots over misguided hate & should be feared. This trayvon case has brought out these cretins & they fall into the mentally unstable, evil & full of hate types that should be feared. Sharpton could be their president if he said what he meant instead of hiding behind a cloak of a decent black man who just thinks blacks are treated unfairly.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: islandmonkey on July 14, 2012, 10:06:10 PM
http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm

There Is No New Black Panther Party: An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation

Yeah...the only address that I found was in Vallejo.

self edit...can't spell...:)

Hmmm...so I guess all that this means is anywhere that the term "Black Panther" has been placed...needs to be replaced with "Group Posing as Black Panthers."  Either way and whomever it is...they are still dangerous in my book.
Well even if they arent an officially organized group that has a secretary, a vp &a treasurer & they have monthly meetings (insert sarcasm here) the fact of the matter is that I highly doubt these people that call themselves the new black panthers are white. They are clearly very racist & have no problems spewing hatred against whites or "crackers" as they so affectionately call us. They are just the type of people that kill & cause riots over misguided hate & should be feared. This trayvon case has brought out these cretins & they fall into the mentally unstable, evil & full of hate types that should be feared. Sharpton could be their president if he said what he meant instead of hiding behind a cloak of a decent black man who just thinks blacks are treated unfairly.

AMEN AMEN!!!!!

Malik Shabazz should be so proud........N O T!

http://cofcc.org/2012/05/remembering-the-2001-cincinnati-riots/


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What is generally well known about the origins of the Cincinnati riots is that they started in “protest” of the shooting of a black man by a white police officer. On Saturday, April 7, 2001, two off‑duty police officers working security at a bar in the inner city spotted Timothy Thomas, a 19‑year‑old black male wanted on 14 misdemeanor charges. Realizing he was in danger of arrest, Thomas started running, and numerous police officers pursued him. The pursuit ended when Thomas led a lone officer, Steve Roach, into one of Cincinnati’s most infamous alleys.

Thomas reportedly spun around suddenly and reached into his pocket. Officer Roach says that he believed Thomas was reaching for a weapon and instinctively pulled his own gun and fired. Thomas, who actually was not armed, was hit in the chest and killed.
 


The Cincinnati media immediately leapt to the conclusions it wanted to reach. “Unarmed black male shot by white cop; Fifth black shot by cops since November; fifteen blacks and no whites killed by cops since 1995″ were among the headlines and sound bites that dominated the reporting and disguised editorializing of the media reaction. Thomas was portrayed as a troubled teen who was turning his life around. Thomas was supposedly a devoted father who wanted to do something positive with his life. The media’s one‑sided reporting of the story emboldened a crowd of hysterical blacks who mobbed City Hall on Monday, despite an announcement that a grand jury was investigating Thomas’ death.
 
The black mob became violent and began moving through downtown Cincinnati, knocking over vendors’ stands and throwing rocks and bottles. Police followed but did little to stop the violence.
 
Full scale rioting began on Tuesday in Over‑the‑Rhine, the inner city neighborhood where Thomas was shot, and downtown Cincinnati. Blacks stopped traffic, pulled whites from their cars and beat them. Some blacks stood on street corners hurling bricks at white motorists and pedestrians. Fox News reported that an elderly white couple was pulled from their car. A WLWT television truck driver was hit with a brick hurled through his window. WCPO, an ABC affiliate, aired ten minutes of coverage on the 11:00 p.m. news Tuesday. WCPO had videotaped a Kentucky truck driver being pulled from his truck and beaten. The news crew interviewed three other whites who were attacked. One woman, who had blood streaming down her face and chest, was pulled from her car and hit on the head with a brick. Her elderly mother was also pulled from the passenger seat and beaten.
 
Nevertheless, the media has given no indication of how many whites were attacked. However, during the week after the riots, many more stories and pictures of other battered whites surfaced. On April 17th Bill Cunningham, a WLW radio talk show host in Cincinnati, stated on his show that 128 whites were attacked. Roslyn Jones, an albino black woman, was also attacked. She says blacks who approached her from behind and yelled “white woman” threw bricks at her car.
 
While whites were being attacked, many blacks were displaying signs of racial pride. Some held homemade signs reading, “Black Power” and “Honk if you’re black.” Others waved black, red, and green “African‑American” flags as well as signs promoting the Nation of Islam. Many also held professionally made “Don’t shoot” banners. The professional character of these signs indicate that the protestors were being organized.
 
Blacks smashed storefronts and looted Findley Market in the Over‑the‑Rhine neighborhood. Findley Market had represented a major success in the gentrification of Cincinnati’s inner city. Wealthy liberal whites, which have been renovating old Victorian homes in the inner city, began revitalizing Findley in the early 90′s. Much of Findley Market was deserted for 20 years following the 1968 black riots after the death of Martin Luther King Jr. leveled the neighborhood and sent business owners packing in fear. White business owners, interviewed by the media, expressed confusion over why they were targeted since they had brought jobs and money to the community.
 
Numerous police officers reported being attacked during the riots. Blacks threw bottles at white cops from apartment windows, and rocks from street corners. Half a dozen police reported being fired upon. One officer was hit by a bullet but only slightly injured.
 
Local schools in Over‑the‑Rhine cancelled evening events. Some cancelled Wednesday classes. Mail delivery was also halted in Over‑the‑Rhine. Several fires were set, including one in a three‑story apartment. Despite limited coverage of attacks on whites on Tuesday night, the media was silent on the issue Wednesday morning. When Ohio’s numerous newspapers came out, they spoke of “rioters, looting, and vandalism.” No mention of anti‑white attacks. Cincinnati’s television newscasts even changed their tune and began downplaying the crimes.
 
Protests continued Wednesday, this time in four new neighborhoods. There was only sporadic violence and looting. Large groups of black clergymen, at one point forming a wall between protesters and police, urged blacks to be peaceful.
 
On Thursday, Mayor Charles Luken declared a state of emergency and imposed a curfew on Cincinnati. Luken actually referred to anti‑white violence, which is rare among today’s politicians who are mindful of being politically correct. In a press conference he stated, “whites are tired of being targeted in their cars.” By this time, the weather had turned sour and rioters were staying home.
 
Also on Thursday, WCPO aired a live discussion with Mayor Luken and black community leaders. A meek Luken did little to defend police when the black guests boldly proclaimed that police had “murdered” 15 blacks since 1995.
 
Of these 15 blacks killed by police, seven had guns. Five of them fired on officers. One flagged down a policewoman and shot her three times before she fired back. One black man died of cocaine-induced sudden death syndrome as he fought with police. A policeman, who was being dragged from a car, shot the black driver. The officer, who was black himself, was dismembered and killed by the out-of-control car moments after he fired the shot. Twelve of the 15 assaulted police with some kind of deadly weapon, and police were entirely justified in shooting all of them.
 
In the same period of time that the 15 blacks died at the hands of police, there were 190 black-on-black murders. This constitutes 80 percent of the 238 total murders in Cincinnati for that period. Of course, there were no riots or protests about the blacks murdered by other blacks.
 
On the Saturday following the riots, a large funeral was held at the Avondale Baptist Church. The funeral was a who’s who of black racist leaders. Aside from numerous local black speakers, Jamil Muhammad of the Nation of Islam, Malik Zulu Shabazz of the New Black Panther Party, Martin Luther King III of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, and Kweisi Mfumi, president of the NAACP, all spoke at the funeral. Left wing Ohio Governor Bob Taft and Mayor Charles Luken also spoke. The church held about 400 attendants, who were virtually all black except for white politicians. Another 400‑600 blacks stood outside and listened to loudspeakers placed on the church roof.
 
Malik Shabazz, who was flanked by a dozen other Black Panthers in military uniforms, received an exhilarating response when he led the crowd in chants of “black power!” Both crowds, inside and outside, raised their fists and cheered. Shabazz audaciously declared, “This isn’t a riot, this is a rebellion!” Malik Shabazz took over the New Black Panther Party after Dr. Khallid Abdul Muhammad, who advocated the extermination of white people, died suddenly last February of a brain aneurysm.
 
Governor Taft spoke on the need for police and government to do more to help the black community. A visibly nervous and shaking Mayor Luken apologized to Thomas’ mother. Blacks in the church laughed and jeered as he spoke.
 
As the funeral closed, uniformed Black Panthers carried the coffin to a waiting hearse. Blacks outside raised their fists as the pall bearers walked by. After the hearse left, Malik Shabazz led 200 blacks across the street for a rally. Some waved flags and Nation of Islam banners as the crowd chanted, “Black power” and “Shoot the police.” A WCPO news crew interviewed Shabazz. He said they had come to Cincinnati from Detroit to “organize an army of black men to defend themselves from police.” One of his uniformed followers added that if the white man doesn’t remove his foot from their backs, “We gonna break da ankle!” The Reverends Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson both spoke in Cincinnati as well. Sharpton spoke at a church on Easter Sunday and Jackson the following Tuesday.

 
On Saturday night the media was still fanning the flames. WCPO news anchors related how mostly white neighborhoods were not affected by the curfew. They aired pictures of a deserted and boarded up Findley Market, then showed gleeful whites having fun at a bar in a white suburb.
 
NAACP President Kweisi Mfume had already been first on the scene, having held a town meeting two days before the funeral. Mfume, who asked blacks to end violence, was jeered and shouted down by more radical blacks in the crowd. Numerous blacks in the audience verbally attacked police and whites and excused black violence.
 
 
Angela Leisure, Thomas’ mother, also spoke at the teen forum. Leisure threatened more violence if Roach is not indicted for murder. “We are all sitting on a powder keg waiting to see what the grand jury does,” she proclaimed. There were many more ceremonial attacks on the police. The NAACP announced it would be joining a class action lawsuit, already in progress, filed by blacks against the police for alleged harassment. With much media fanfare, four black police officers quit the Fraternal Order of Police and accused FOP leaders of racism.
 
The city council has agreed to give $2,000 grants to each damaged business and to offer low interest loans. Leonard Weinstein, who owns a pawnshop, says his business was picked clean. He claims $100,000 in damages and says he will have to close down if not given a grant for all of the damages. Gov. Taft and other state officials are considering using state money to give business owners grants. The city of Cincinnati is planning special events to be held at Findley Market to encourage white consumers to return. One hundred and twenty businesses have reporting being damaged.
 
In response to the race riots, the federal government expressed support for the blacks. Attorney General John Ashcroft announced that the Justice Department would investigate the Cincinnati police department for racial bias and that the FBI was investigating the shooting of the black fugitive. Meanwhile, while the federal government was investigating whites, a black college professor at Northern Kentucky University just across the state line from Cincinnati called on blacks to kill a white policeman.
 
Fox News reported on May 1 that the campus newspaper, The Northerner, quoted Dr. Clinton Hewan, Professor of Political Science at NKU, as saying that the family of the slain fugitive should “go out and get” the policeman involved in the shooting. Professor Hewan was quoted as saying, the family should “quietly stalk that S.O.B. and take him out.” The professor claims his remarks were “taken out of context.” He later stated that he was merely trying to illustrate his belief that it is “time for blacks to stand up and fight back” against “white racist” persecution. The president of the university said he was “appalled and deeply troubled” by the statements attributed to Hewan, but also said Hewan is “a good man and a good teacher,” even though he is often a “confrontational” figure on campus.
 
During the riots, 837 people were arrested. Over half were arrested for curfew violations. Of these, 63 were charged with looting, vandalism, arson, and physical assault; 61 of those charged were black. Yet so far there has been only one person charged with a “hate crime” — a white man, Craig Carr, 20, who is accused of throwing a brick at the window of a black motorist while yelling a racial epithet on April 12. Charged with “ethnic intimidation,” criminal damaging, and aggravated assault, Mr. Carr, if convicted, could receive two years in prison. Hamilton County prosecutor Mike Allen said that black youths who assaulted white motorists during the riot would also be charged with hate crimes. So far none has been so charged.
 
There were also millions of dollars in property damage. However, this was far from being the worse race riot in history. In 1992, blacks rioted in Los Angeles killing 59 people and injuring 2,300. In 1980, blacks killed 18 and injured 400 in Tampa, Florida. During the Martin Luther King riots of 1968, when Cincinnati’s previous race riot occurred, violence flared in 125 cities, leaving 46 dead and 2,600 injured.
 
Tensions are still high among Cincinnati’s 331,000 residents, of which 43 percent are black. It has, for decades, been an unwritten rule that you should not stop your car while driving through the inner city. White Cincinnatians don’t know what to expect. Columnist Geoff Metcalf reported that whites have made a run on gun stores in the tri‑state area. Many fear that by excusing black violence and the continued appeasing of the black community, white politicians are only setting the stage for worse violence in the future.

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Post by: kcrn on July 14, 2012, 11:31:20 PM
http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm

There Is No New Black Panther Party: An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation

Yeah...the only address that I found was in Vallejo.

self edit...can't spell...:)

Hmmm...so I guess all that this means is anywhere that the term "Black Panther" has been placed...needs to be replaced with "Group Posing as Black Panthers."  Either way and whomever it is...they are still dangerous in my book.
Well even if they arent an officially organized group that has a secretary, a vp &a treasurer & they have monthly meetings (insert sarcasm here) the fact of the matter is that I highly doubt these people that call themselves the new black panthers are white. They are clearly very racist & have no problems spewing hatred against whites or "crackers" as they so affectionately call us. They are just the type of people that kill & cause riots over misguided hate & should be feared. This trayvon case has brought out these cretins & they fall into the mentally unstable, evil & full of hate types that should be feared. Sharpton could be their president if he said what he meant instead of hiding behind a cloak of a decent black man who just thinks blacks are treated unfairly.

AMEN AMEN!!!!!

Malik Shabazz should be so proud........N O T!

http://cofcc.org/2012/05/remembering-the-2001-cincinnati-riots/


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What is generally well known about the origins of the Cincinnati riots is that they started in “protest” of the shooting of a black man by a white police officer. On Saturday, April 7, 2001, two off‑duty police officers working security at a bar in the inner city spotted Timothy Thomas, a 19‑year‑old black male wanted on 14 misdemeanor charges. Realizing he was in danger of arrest, Thomas started running, and numerous police officers pursued him. The pursuit ended when Thomas led a lone officer, Steve Roach, into one of Cincinnati’s most infamous alleys.

Thomas reportedly spun around suddenly and reached into his pocket. Officer Roach says that he believed Thomas was reaching for a weapon and instinctively pulled his own gun and fired. Thomas, who actually was not armed, was hit in the chest and killed.
 


The Cincinnati media immediately leapt to the conclusions it wanted to reach. “Unarmed black male shot by white cop; Fifth black shot by cops since November; fifteen blacks and no whites killed by cops since 1995″ were among the headlines and sound bites that dominated the reporting and disguised editorializing of the media reaction. Thomas was portrayed as a troubled teen who was turning his life around. Thomas was supposedly a devoted father who wanted to do something positive with his life. The media’s one‑sided reporting of the story emboldened a crowd of hysterical blacks who mobbed City Hall on Monday, despite an announcement that a grand jury was investigating Thomas’ death.
 
The black mob became violent and began moving through downtown Cincinnati, knocking over vendors’ stands and throwing rocks and bottles. Police followed but did little to stop the violence.
 
Full scale rioting began on Tuesday in Over‑the‑Rhine, the inner city neighborhood where Thomas was shot, and downtown Cincinnati. Blacks stopped traffic, pulled whites from their cars and beat them. Some blacks stood on street corners hurling bricks at white motorists and pedestrians. Fox News reported that an elderly white couple was pulled from their car. A WLWT television truck driver was hit with a brick hurled through his window. WCPO, an ABC affiliate, aired ten minutes of coverage on the 11:00 p.m. news Tuesday. WCPO had videotaped a Kentucky truck driver being pulled from his truck and beaten. The news crew interviewed three other whites who were attacked. One woman, who had blood streaming down her face and chest, was pulled from her car and hit on the head with a brick. Her elderly mother was also pulled from the passenger seat and beaten.
 
Nevertheless, the media has given no indication of how many whites were attacked. However, during the week after the riots, many more stories and pictures of other battered whites surfaced. On April 17th Bill Cunningham, a WLW radio talk show host in Cincinnati, stated on his show that 128 whites were attacked. Roslyn Jones, an albino black woman, was also attacked. She says blacks who approached her from behind and yelled “white woman” threw bricks at her car.
 
While whites were being attacked, many blacks were displaying signs of racial pride. Some held homemade signs reading, “Black Power” and “Honk if you’re black.” Others waved black, red, and green “African‑American” flags as well as signs promoting the Nation of Islam. Many also held professionally made “Don’t shoot” banners. The professional character of these signs indicate that the protestors were being organized.
 
Blacks smashed storefronts and looted Findley Market in the Over‑the‑Rhine neighborhood. Findley Market had represented a major success in the gentrification of Cincinnati’s inner city. Wealthy liberal whites, which have been renovating old Victorian homes in the inner city, began revitalizing Findley in the early 90′s. Much of Findley Market was deserted for 20 years following the 1968 black riots after the death of Martin Luther King Jr. leveled the neighborhood and sent business owners packing in fear. White business owners, interviewed by the media, expressed confusion over why they were targeted since they had brought jobs and money to the community.
 
Numerous police officers reported being attacked during the riots. Blacks threw bottles at white cops from apartment windows, and rocks from street corners. Half a dozen police reported being fired upon. One officer was hit by a bullet but only slightly injured.
 
Local schools in Over‑the‑Rhine cancelled evening events. Some cancelled Wednesday classes. Mail delivery was also halted in Over‑the‑Rhine. Several fires were set, including one in a three‑story apartment. Despite limited coverage of attacks on whites on Tuesday night, the media was silent on the issue Wednesday morning. When Ohio’s numerous newspapers came out, they spoke of “rioters, looting, and vandalism.” No mention of anti‑white attacks. Cincinnati’s television newscasts even changed their tune and began downplaying the crimes.
 
Protests continued Wednesday, this time in four new neighborhoods. There was only sporadic violence and looting. Large groups of black clergymen, at one point forming a wall between protesters and police, urged blacks to be peaceful.
 
On Thursday, Mayor Charles Luken declared a state of emergency and imposed a curfew on Cincinnati. Luken actually referred to anti‑white violence, which is rare among today’s politicians who are mindful of being politically correct. In a press conference he stated, “whites are tired of being targeted in their cars.” By this time, the weather had turned sour and rioters were staying home.
 
Also on Thursday, WCPO aired a live discussion with Mayor Luken and black community leaders. A meek Luken did little to defend police when the black guests boldly proclaimed that police had “murdered” 15 blacks since 1995.
 
Of these 15 blacks killed by police, seven had guns. Five of them fired on officers. One flagged down a policewoman and shot her three times before she fired back. One black man died of cocaine-induced sudden death syndrome as he fought with police. A policeman, who was being dragged from a car, shot the black driver. The officer, who was black himself, was dismembered and killed by the out-of-control car moments after he fired the shot. Twelve of the 15 assaulted police with some kind of deadly weapon, and police were entirely justified in shooting all of them.
 
In the same period of time that the 15 blacks died at the hands of police, there were 190 black-on-black murders. This constitutes 80 percent of the 238 total murders in Cincinnati for that period. Of course, there were no riots or protests about the blacks murdered by other blacks.
 
On the Saturday following the riots, a large funeral was held at the Avondale Baptist Church. The funeral was a who’s who of black racist leaders. Aside from numerous local black speakers, Jamil Muhammad of the Nation of Islam, Malik Zulu Shabazz of the New Black Panther Party, Martin Luther King III of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, and Kweisi Mfumi, president of the NAACP, all spoke at the funeral. Left wing Ohio Governor Bob Taft and Mayor Charles Luken also spoke. The church held about 400 attendants, who were virtually all black except for white politicians. Another 400‑600 blacks stood outside and listened to loudspeakers placed on the church roof.
 
Malik Shabazz, who was flanked by a dozen other Black Panthers in military uniforms, received an exhilarating response when he led the crowd in chants of “black power!” Both crowds, inside and outside, raised their fists and cheered. Shabazz audaciously declared, “This isn’t a riot, this is a rebellion!” Malik Shabazz took over the New Black Panther Party after Dr. Khallid Abdul Muhammad, who advocated the extermination of white people, died suddenly last February of a brain aneurysm.
 
Governor Taft spoke on the need for police and government to do more to help the black community. A visibly nervous and shaking Mayor Luken apologized to Thomas’ mother. Blacks in the church laughed and jeered as he spoke.
 
As the funeral closed, uniformed Black Panthers carried the coffin to a waiting hearse. Blacks outside raised their fists as the pall bearers walked by. After the hearse left, Malik Shabazz led 200 blacks across the street for a rally. Some waved flags and Nation of Islam banners as the crowd chanted, “Black power” and “Shoot the police.” A WCPO news crew interviewed Shabazz. He said they had come to Cincinnati from Detroit to “organize an army of black men to defend themselves from police.” One of his uniformed followers added that if the white man doesn’t remove his foot from their backs, “We gonna break da ankle!” The Reverends Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson both spoke in Cincinnati as well. Sharpton spoke at a church on Easter Sunday and Jackson the following Tuesday.

 
On Saturday night the media was still fanning the flames. WCPO news anchors related how mostly white neighborhoods were not affected by the curfew. They aired pictures of a deserted and boarded up Findley Market, then showed gleeful whites having fun at a bar in a white suburb.
 
NAACP President Kweisi Mfume had already been first on the scene, having held a town meeting two days before the funeral. Mfume, who asked blacks to end violence, was jeered and shouted down by more radical blacks in the crowd. Numerous blacks in the audience verbally attacked police and whites and excused black violence.
 
 
Angela Leisure, Thomas’ mother, also spoke at the teen forum. Leisure threatened more violence if Roach is not indicted for murder. “We are all sitting on a powder keg waiting to see what the grand jury does,” she proclaimed. There were many more ceremonial attacks on the police. The NAACP announced it would be joining a class action lawsuit, already in progress, filed by blacks against the police for alleged harassment. With much media fanfare, four black police officers quit the Fraternal Order of Police and accused FOP leaders of racism.
 
The city council has agreed to give $2,000 grants to each damaged business and to offer low interest loans. Leonard Weinstein, who owns a pawnshop, says his business was picked clean. He claims $100,000 in damages and says he will have to close down if not given a grant for all of the damages. Gov. Taft and other state officials are considering using state money to give business owners grants. The city of Cincinnati is planning special events to be held at Findley Market to encourage white consumers to return. One hundred and twenty businesses have reporting being damaged.
 
In response to the race riots, the federal government expressed support for the blacks. Attorney General John Ashcroft announced that the Justice Department would investigate the Cincinnati police department for racial bias and that the FBI was investigating the shooting of the black fugitive. Meanwhile, while the federal government was investigating whites, a black college professor at Northern Kentucky University just across the state line from Cincinnati called on blacks to kill a white policeman.
 
Fox News reported on May 1 that the campus newspaper, The Northerner, quoted Dr. Clinton Hewan, Professor of Political Science at NKU, as saying that the family of the slain fugitive should “go out and get” the policeman involved in the shooting. Professor Hewan was quoted as saying, the family should “quietly stalk that S.O.B. and take him out.” The professor claims his remarks were “taken out of context.” He later stated that he was merely trying to illustrate his belief that it is “time for blacks to stand up and fight back” against “white racist” persecution. The president of the university said he was “appalled and deeply troubled” by the statements attributed to Hewan, but also said Hewan is “a good man and a good teacher,” even though he is often a “confrontational” figure on campus.
 
During the riots, 837 people were arrested. Over half were arrested for curfew violations. Of these, 63 were charged with looting, vandalism, arson, and physical assault; 61 of those charged were black. Yet so far there has been only one person charged with a “hate crime” — a white man, Craig Carr, 20, who is accused of throwing a brick at the window of a black motorist while yelling a racial epithet on April 12. Charged with “ethnic intimidation,” criminal damaging, and aggravated assault, Mr. Carr, if convicted, could receive two years in prison. Hamilton County prosecutor Mike Allen said that black youths who assaulted white motorists during the riot would also be charged with hate crimes. So far none has been so charged.
 
There were also millions of dollars in property damage. However, this was far from being the worse race riot in history. In 1992, blacks rioted in Los Angeles killing 59 people and injuring 2,300. In 1980, blacks killed 18 and injured 400 in Tampa, Florida. During the Martin Luther King riots of 1968, when Cincinnati’s previous race riot occurred, violence flared in 125 cities, leaving 46 dead and 2,600 injured.
 
Tensions are still high among Cincinnati’s 331,000 residents, of which 43 percent are black. It has, for decades, been an unwritten rule that you should not stop your car while driving through the inner city. White Cincinnatians don’t know what to expect. Columnist Geoff Metcalf reported that whites have made a run on gun stores in the tri‑state area. Many fear that by excusing black violence and the continued appeasing of the black community, white politicians are only setting the stage for worse violence in the future.

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Well in light of an example like this, I sure cant imagine why "whites fear black people". NOT!! Its excused behavior because theyre just fighting for their civil rights doncha know? I guess their civil rights include beating innocent white people, stealing from their own community businesses &spewing hate in a public forum with their hate filled "civil rights leaders".


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Post by: KittyMom on July 15, 2012, 12:51:07 AM
Tell me one white group that could call for killing of another race and get away with it.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: kcrn on July 15, 2012, 01:20:42 AM
 ::MonkeyKiss::
Tell me one white group that could call for killing of another race and get away with it.
Exactly.


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Post by: seahorse on July 15, 2012, 08:53:07 AM



http://www.csmonitor.com

Trayvon Martin case’s mystery man: George Zimmerman’s cop connection
New evidence shows that George Zimmerman, the defendant in the Trayvon Martin murder case, counts a law enforcement officer – a federal agent – as a close adviser.

By Patrik Jonsson, Staff writer / July 14, 2012

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0714/Trayvon-Martin-case-s-mystery-man-George-Zimmerman-s-cop-connection (page) 1

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0714/Trayvon-Martin-case-s-mystery-man-George-Zimmerman-s-cop-connection/(page)/2


  ::justice2NJ::



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Post by: cookie on July 15, 2012, 09:27:00 AM
::MonkeyKiss::
Tell me one white group that could call for killing of another race and get away with it.
Exactly.

 ::rhino::


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Post by: kcrn on July 15, 2012, 11:10:54 AM



http://www.csmonitor.com

Trayvon Martin case’s mystery man: George Zimmerman’s cop connection
New evidence shows that George Zimmerman, the defendant in the Trayvon Martin murder case, counts a law enforcement officer – a federal agent – as a close adviser.

By Patrik Jonsson, Staff writer / July 14, 2012

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0714/Trayvon-Martin-case-s-mystery-man-George-Zimmerman-s-cop-connection (page) 1

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0714/Trayvon-Martin-case-s-mystery-man-George-Zimmerman-s-cop-connection/(page)/2


  ::justice2NJ::


Im not seeing how this has abything to do with anything. He has a friend in law enforcement. So?


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Post by: grace-land on July 15, 2012, 10:18:43 PM
Two-page article

http://thegrio.com/2012/07/15/zimmerman-investigator-blamed-black-officers-for-leaks-pressure-to-file-charges/

Zimmerman investigator blamed black officers for leaks, ‘pressure’ to file charges
July 15, 2012

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“Serino is concerned that many of the leaks in this case are coming from within the Sanford Police Department,” the FBI report states. Serino reportedly named the officers he believed were behind the leaks: officers Arthur Barnes, Trekell Perkins and Rebecca Villalona. Barnes and Perkins are black. Villalona is white, but is married to an African-American. Serino is Cuban-American.
 
Perkins is the officer who took the statement of Witness 9, a woman who claimed to know Zimmerman and his family, and who accused Zimmerman of being racist, and “hating black people.” Neither Villalona nor Barnes were involved in the Zimmerman investigation.
 
Barnes, a 25-year veteran of the police department and a Sanford native, was himself interviewed by FBI agents on April 5th. The former Army M.P., who was assigned to the property crimes division, talked to the investigators about the racial makeup of Sanford, and told them “the number one crime issue in the City of Sanford is burglaries,” including for his division. The Retreat at Twin Lakes subdivision, where Zimmerman and his wife rented a townhouse, had seen nearly a half dozen break-ins in the year prior to the Martin killing, and Zimmerman himself had called in several “suspicious person” reports, all involving young black males, on August 3 and 4, and October 6, 2011, and again on  February 2nd. The Twitter account for the Retreat at Twin Lakes homeowner association boasted on February 12th about the success of their neighborhood watch program, for which Zimmerman — though a renter, not a homeowner — was the coordinator.

Barnes told investigators that while he was “unsure how the younger African-American community” would react to the outcome of the investigation, he believed “the African-American community would be in an ‘uproar’ if Zimmerman” was not charged. “The community will be satisfied if an arrest takes place,” the report of two FBI agents states. “As for the civil rights investigation, if i is determined to be a violation of Trayvon Martin’s civil rights then it will reflect negatively on the Sanford Police Department and fingers will be pointed at them for not doing their job properly,” the report states, adding that Barnes believed the community was split “50/50″ on whether the shooting was a hate crime, but that he did not believe the shooting was racially motivated. “It was a man shooting an unarmed kid.” the report states Barnes told the FBI investigators.
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Post by: grace-land on July 16, 2012, 12:53:46 AM
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2012/7/15/let_stand_your_groun.html

EXCLUSIVE POLL: Floridians say they want Stand Your Ground law to stay
Last Updated: Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 12:17AM

ST PETERSBURG --
When 28-year-old George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin and argued the Stand Your Ground law, saying he was protecting himself, the application of the law came under question and scrutiny. Despite the controversy, though, most Floridians say they think the law shouldn't be changed.
 
According to a Tampa Bay Times, Bay News 9 exclusive statewide poll, 64 percent of registered voters said they support the law and even almost half of those who say they oppose it add they would really just like to see it modified. Only 18 percent of those polled said they want to see the law repealed.
 
The law, which was passed in 2005, say ... a person is justified to use deadly force to defend themselves if they reasonably believe that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. A citizen has no duty to retreat and if it is determined that their use of force was justified, they are immune from criminal prosecution and civil action. The Stand Your Ground law does not apply if the victim initially provokes the use of force of if they are involved in a felony crime.
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Post by: grace-land on July 16, 2012, 01:57:21 PM
Audio at link

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-os-george-zimmerman-jail-phone-calls-20120716,0,6274019.story

"Witness 9" tells prosecutors Zimmerman is prejudiced against blacks
12:16 p.m. CDT, July 16, 2012

A young woman told Florida authorities that suspect George Zimmerman had demonstrated racist behavior before his arrest in the Trayvon Martin murder investigation, according to new evidence released today by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey.

Zimmerman's family, said the woman, identified only as "witness 9," "don't like black people if they don't act like white people. They like black people if they act white."

Corey released witness 9's statement plus 120 recorded phone calls made by Zimmerman when he was in the Seminole County Jail.

In a statement released earlier, witness 9 told Sanford, Fla., police that Zimmerman does not like blacks. In the audio-recorded interview released today, she reiterated that, without providing specifics.

Had she seen George Zimmerman disparage blacks or act as if he hated blacks, she was asked.

No, she said.

Witness 9 also claimed Zimmerman sexually molested her for a decade, starting when both were children, according to prosecution records released today.

The woman said the alleged abuse started when she was six years old and Zimmerman was eight, and ended when she was 16.
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Post by: KittyMom on July 16, 2012, 02:01:42 PM
Oh, good grief...what makes this witness creditable?


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Post by: Blonde on July 16, 2012, 02:15:54 PM
Witness claims George Zimmerman molested her as a child


Published July 16, 2012

FoxNews.com


A potential witness in the case against George Zimmerman has testified that the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing Florida teen Trayvon Martin molested her as a child.

The unidentified woman told the Duval County State Attorney’s office that Zimmerman began abusing her when she was 6 and continued until she was 16, MyFoxOrlando.com reports. The woman also told police that Zimmerman and his family do not like African-Americans.

Phone calls Zimmerman made from the Seminole County Jail were also released.  A total of 140 calls made in April of this year were included in the evidence made public. ::snipping2::

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/16/witness-claims-george-zimmerman-molested-her-as-child/?test=latestnews#ixzz20oIjtuXG




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Post by: grace-land on July 16, 2012, 02:19:52 PM
Two-page article

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/16/2897557/zimmerman-defense-attorney-will.html

“Witness 9” accused Zimmerman of sexually molesting her
Posted on Monday, 07.16.12

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She never went to the police, she said, because her mother told her that cases like hers become “he said/she said,” and get dropped. Zimmerman’s parents “pushed it under the rug and pretended it never happened,” she said.

However, she noted that neither Zimmerman’s parents nor her own ever heard the details of what she says happened. “I told them I didn’t want to talk about it,” she said.

Witness 9 told authorities that some of her memories on it were fuzzy, but she distinctly recalls telling some childhood friends. She blocked out even happy memories, she said.

Why then, investigators asked, was she coming forward now?

“It’s the first time in my life I’m not afraid of him,” she said. “I know nothing can get to me. He can’t get to me. I won’t go to Target and see him there anymore.”

This article will be updated as more information becomes available.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/16/2897557/zimmerman-defense-attorney-will.html#storylink=cpy


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Post by: Puzzler on July 16, 2012, 03:04:45 PM
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/George-Zimmerman-jail-calls-released/-/1637132/15528110/-/d970om/-/index.html

Witness 9: George Zimmerman molested meJuly 16, 2012


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Post by: Puzzler on July 16, 2012, 03:11:36 PM
URLs of Witness #9 statements: Parts 1 and 2

http://www.axiomamnesia.com/Audio/Trayvon-Zimmerman-Witness-Interviews/Trayvon_Martin_George_Zimmerman_Audio_ZIMMERMAN_INT_W9_1.mp3


http://www.axiomamnesia.com/Audio/Trayvon-Zimmerman-Witness-Interviews/Trayvon_Martin_George_Zimmerman_Audio_ZIMMERMAN_INT2_WIT9_R2.mp3


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Post by: Puzzler on July 16, 2012, 03:20:42 PM
calls #1 - #10 are up now.....with call summaries being added as available. ..they're putting them all up in batches of 10.


http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/audio/george-zimmerman-jailhouse-calls/george-zimmerman-jailhouse-calls-1-10-released-7162012-audio/

The following is a list of full audio of jailhouse calls, released on 7/16/2012 and later, made by George Zimmerman while in jail at the Seminole County Detention Center in Florida.


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Post by: Puzzler on July 16, 2012, 03:35:17 PM
URLs of Witness #9 statements: Parts 1 and 2

http://www.axiomamnesia.com/Audio/Trayvon-Zimmerman-Witness-Interviews/Trayvon_Martin_George_Zimmerman_Audio_ZIMMERMAN_INT_W9_1.mp3


http://www.axiomamnesia.com/Audio/Trayvon-Zimmerman-Witness-Interviews/Trayvon_Martin_George_Zimmerman_Audio_ZIMMERMAN_INT2_WIT9_R2.mp3


Actually, I shouldn't have included the second link - it's a small portion of the beginning of the first link...redundant.


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Post by: Blonde on July 16, 2012, 03:52:51 PM
The woman also told state investigators that she anonymously called Sanford police after Martin's death.

"I was afraid that he may have done something because the kid was black," the woman says on the recordings. She said she had no direct knowledge of the shooting death, but wanted police to know Zimmerman had made negative comments about blacks when they were growing up. ::snipping2::

The woman said she was not the only victim. "It's not just me that he would do these things to," she told investigators. But the other alleged victim would never come forward, Witness 9 said, declining to give investigators her name: "She said she would deny it either way."
Edit to add date for article.  MB July 16, 2012
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/zimmerman-witness-sexual-molestation-160900334.html ::MonkeyMad::


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Post by: grace-land on July 16, 2012, 05:36:56 PM
http://gzlegalcase.com/

Zimmerman Defense Responds to Witness #9 Statements
on 16 July 2012.

Today the State released Witness #9's Statements along with Mr. Zimmerman's phone calls from jail in response to the Court's July 13 order.
 
In her statements, Witness #9, who is George Zimmerman's cousin, alleges that Mr. Zimmerman inappropriately touched her beginning when she was 6 and Mr. Zimmerman was almost 8, and that it continued on occasion until she was 16 and Mr. Zimmerman was 17.
 
The defense moved to block the public release of Witness #9's statement in a motion filed on June 18, 2012 contending "The content of this statement is not relevant to the issues of this case, and it would not be admissible in the State's case in chief." The motion further contends that this irrelevant statement should be withheld from public dissemination because of the substantial risk that public disclosure will lead to widespread hostile publicity which would substantially impair the Defendant's fair trial rights, and would pose a serious threat to the administration of justice.
 
That request was denied on July 13, 2012 by Judge Lester. Because there is a Motion for Disqualification pending, this morning, we asked the prosecution not to release Witness #9's statement until there was a ruling on the Motion for Disqualification. This is an appropriate request as, should the motion for disqualification be granted, reconsideration of recent rulings by the judge is appropriate. However, the prosecution elected to make the public disclosure anyway.
 
Now that this statement is part of the public record, the defense will vigorously defend Mr. Zimmerman against the allegations. In the next several weeks, there will be reciprocal discovery filed regarding Witness #9's statement.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: cw618 on July 16, 2012, 09:47:10 PM
ive been following,wow, you just never know what will come out of left field

George Zimmerman's cousin accuses him of sexual molestation
 ::snipping2::
George Zimmerman, the man charged with the murder of a black teenager in Florida, has now also been accused of sexually molesting his cousin. In other developments relating to the case, supporters of Zimmerman aim to postpone plans for a memorial for the slain teenager.

 By Barbara Liston, Reuters / July 16, 2012
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0716/George-Zimmerman-s-cousin-accuses-him-of-sexual-molestation


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Post by: kcrn on July 16, 2012, 10:05:22 PM
 ::MonkeyKiss::
Oh, good grief...what makes this witness creditable?
I know right?


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Post by: kcrn on July 16, 2012, 10:07:23 PM
The woman also told state investigators that she anonymously called Sanford police after Martin's death.

"I was afraid that he may have done something because the kid was black," the woman says on the recordings. She said she had no direct knowledge of the shooting death, but wanted police to know Zimmerman had made negative comments about blacks when they were growing up. ::snipping2::

The woman said she was not the only victim. "It's not just me that he would do these things to," she told investigators. But the other alleged victim would never come forward, Witness 9 said, declining to give investigators her name: "She said she would deny it either way."
Edit to add date for article.  MB July 16, 2012
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/zimmerman-witness-sexual-molestation-160900334.html ::MonkeyMad::
What makes u believe this witness?


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Post by: Toler on July 16, 2012, 10:23:48 PM
Monday, July 16, 2012 - 13:02:55
Human rightsTrayvon Martin's parents to appear in Little Rock

A news release says the National Association of Black Law Enforcement Executives, meeting in Little Rock next week, will hear from the parents of Trayvon Martin at a civil rights breakfast at 8 a.m. Tuesday. Martin is the 17-year-old black youth shot in Sanford, Fla., in a case that has drawn worldwide attention for the police's initial decision not to charge the shooter, George Zimmerman, though Martin was unarmed.
 
Also speaking will be former Little Rock Mayor Lottie Shackelford. Awards also are planned, including to the Little Rock Nine; to Keith Jackson for his P.A.R.K. after-school program; to William "Sonny" Walker, a former Arkansan, for his civil rights work, and to former  Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders.

http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/human-rights/


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Post by: Puzzler on July 16, 2012, 10:55:12 PM
Does anyone know how to access transcripts for JVM - tonight's transcript in particular?



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Post by: jamcakes on July 16, 2012, 11:06:50 PM
Witness#9 sounds like she is seeking revenge of some sort on GZ.  Not only is she contradictory to most of the other character witnesses, she sounds like she has credibility problems in not wanting to testify.  I would think that all the other favorable character witnesses would create a shadow of a doubt over the negative ones.


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Post by: grace-land on July 16, 2012, 11:24:14 PM
Two-page article

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/16/2897557/zimmerman-defense-attorney-will.html

“Witness 9” accused Zimmerman of sexually molesting her
Posted on Monday, 07.16.12

 ::snipping2::
Defense attorney Mark O’Mara called the accusation a “side tornado that comes with a hurricane” -- you have to wait for it to blow over.

“It’s completely irrelevant, and now we will have to waste 50 hours on something that will never make it to a courtroom,” he told The Miami Herald Monday night. “He denies it. He is saying that it never happened.”

O’Mara said he’s now put in the position of having to discredit the woman, by pointing out things like that she tried to sell her story to People magazine.

In her statement, witness 9 said she kept the allegations secret for years because everyone in her family adores Zimmerman.

“He made everyone love him, made everyone laugh and be happy around him,” she said, adding that to her father, Zimmerman was like the son he never had.
 ::snipping2::

Crump and his team have known about the woman from the early stages of the case because she approached them after calling the police and prosecutors. Orlando attorney Natalie Jackson, who also represents Trayvon’s family, spoke to witness 9, but declined to discuss what she said.

Reached earlier this month by The Miami Herald, “witness 9” declined to be interviewed.

Erin Russell, a Chicago lawyer who has been blogging about the case regularly, said the woman’s testimony is so damaging to Zimmerman that prosecutors are probably hoping that Zimmerman is so worried about her that it will keep him from testifying at his trial. In a self-defense case, his testimony would be vital — and witness 9 could then be called to challenge his testimony.

“The minute he says he is a person of good character, that opens the door to, ‘Really?’” Russell said. “They’re trying to pressure him off the stand, and to take a deal.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/16/2897557/zimmerman-defense-attorney-will.html#storylink=cpy


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Post by: Puzzler on July 16, 2012, 11:28:10 PM
https://twitter.com/marknejame


Mark NeJame‏@MarkNeJame
@iminshock @jasongoodman31 Real clear O didn't know of $. Judge acknowledged too. O brought it to judges attn as soon as he knew. Ethical.


Mark NeJame‏@MarkNeJame
@jasongoodman31 @seanlamontlove O is very smart. Only board certified atty in Fl. In both criminal & family. I worked w him & against.


Mark NeJame‏@MarkNeJame
@jasongoodman31 @seanlamontlove Actually 6 in Florida unless capital.Jury selection likely eliminate public opinion factor. eg Casey Anthony



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Post by: grace-land on July 16, 2012, 11:35:37 PM
Does anyone know how to access transcripts for JVM - tonight's transcript in particular?



Here it is, Puzzler.  Just wait for it to be posted--probably later this evening.  If you need help, just let me know.  :)

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ijvm.html


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Post by: Puzzler on July 16, 2012, 11:35:48 PM
Two-page article

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/16/2897557/zimmerman-defense-attorney-will.html

“Witness 9” accused Zimmerman of sexually molesting her
Posted on Monday, 07.16.12

 ::snipping2::
Defense attorney Mark O’Mara called the accusation a “side tornado that comes with a hurricane” -- you have to wait for it to blow over.

“It’s completely irrelevant, and now we will have to waste 50 hours on something that will never make it to a courtroom,” he told The Miami Herald Monday night. “He denies it. He is saying that it never happened.”

O’Mara said he’s now put in the position of having to discredit the woman, by pointing out things like that she tried to sell her story to People magazine.

In her statement, witness 9 said she kept the allegations secret for years because everyone in her family adores Zimmerman.

“He made everyone love him, made everyone laugh and be happy around him,” she said, adding that to her father, Zimmerman was like the son he never had.
 ::snipping2::

Crump and his team have known about the woman from the early stages of the case because she approached them after calling the police and prosecutors. Orlando attorney Natalie Jackson, who also represents Trayvon’s family, spoke to witness 9, but declined to discuss what she said.

Reached earlier this month by The Miami Herald, “witness 9” declined to be interviewed.

Erin Russell, a Chicago lawyer who has been blogging about the case regularly, said the woman’s testimony is so damaging to Zimmerman that prosecutors are probably hoping that Zimmerman is so worried about her that it will keep him from testifying at his trial. In a self-defense case, his testimony would be vital — and witness 9 could then be called to challenge his testimony.

“The minute he says he is a person of good character, that opens the door to, ‘Really?’” Russell said. “They’re trying to pressure him off the stand, and to take a deal.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/16/2897557/zimmerman-defense-attorney-will.html#storylink=cpy


grace - TY

This doesn't sound good at all.  I heard on JVM tonight from Natalie Jackson (attorney for TM's family) that they've known W9 for some time.  Also, a tweet by Daralene Jones (wftv reporter) on May 17 in which she says she believes she got an anonymous call from W9 - voice sounds familiar and story sounds familiar. 

So, maybe that's what has seemed off to this whole thing today - W9 shopping her story?


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Post by: Red on July 17, 2012, 12:28:57 AM
Cousin (Witness 9) of George Zimmerman Claims He Sexually Abused Her as a Child over 10 Years (Audio) … Mark O’Mara Says, “The content of this statement is not relevant to the issues of this case, and it would not be admissible in the state’s case”

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/07/16/cousin-of-george-zimmerman-claims-he-sexually-abused-her-as-a-child-over-10-years-mark-omara-says-the-content-of-this-statement-is-not-relevant-to-the-issues-of-this-case-and-it-would-not-be/

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George Zimmerman’s defense attorney Mark O’Mara  said that he and his legal team would “vigorously defend” him against the allegations. Being a victims rights advocate, I am a bit dismayed by the fact that the prosecution would release such prejudicial information regarding a defendant and the fact that Judge Lester allowed it to be released as he denied a defense motion. If these allegations are true, the girl should have come forward and had Zimmerman prosecuted. It is obviously too late now which begs the question, why did the woman make it an issue now? Second, why did the prosecution release such information that had no bearing on this murder case and will never be allowed to be admitted as evidence? This was released to incite the public and will obviously taint the jury pool. Third, how could Judge Lester allow such prejudicial and inflammatory information be released? Maybe Mark O’Mara is 100% correct, Judge Lester needs to be removed from this case as he is incapable of being impartial.

I really have to question the prosecution and Judge Lester for putting this out in the public forum and allowing it to be made public. It has nothing to do with this case and will never be allowed in the trial, so the only reason it was made public was to incite the public and taint a jury pool.

I am a victims rights advocate, but this does nothing but lower the bar of justice. This girl had never come forward? If she had, did anyone take her seriously or deem her credible?

This really is smarmy and reeks more of politics than a court of justice.


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Post by: grace-land on July 17, 2012, 02:13:34 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Girls Vanish During Bike Ride
Aired July 16, 2012 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
 ::snipping2::
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, new ugly allegations emerge in the Trayvon Martin shooting case. A new witness steps forward and accuses shooter, the volunteer neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman of racism and of a decade of sexual abuse.
 
George Zimmerman, currently out of jail in a safe house awaiting trial after gunning down unarmed teen Trayvon Martin. Cops interview scores of witnesses including one woman who lashed out against the shooter with disturbing new claims. Defense attorney, Mark O`Meara, says this is George Zimmerman`s own cousin.

The police audio of this mystery witness called Witness Number Nine was just released. And what she has to say is shocking. Listen.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
 
WITNESS NUMBER 9: It started when I was six. He`s about almost two years older than I am. He would reach under the blankets and try to do things. I would try to push him off but he was bigger and stronger and older. It was in front of everybody. And I don`t know how I didn`t say anything, but I just didn`t know any better.

(END AUDIO CLIP)
 
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s reemphasize what this mystery Witness Number Nine has said is that Zimmerman was just eight years old when she claims he began touching her inappropriately. She says it continued until he was 17. We will not be naming Witness Number Nine. We have reached out to her for comment and we`re told that nobody in her family would be speaking to the media.
 
Zimmerman`s defense team fought tooth and nails to keep this evidence from being released, arguing right up until the very moment it was made public.
 
Now that it`s out Zimmerman`s attorney Mark O`Meara says, quote, "This statement is not relevant to this." He also says it will not be admissible in the trial. Instead it should not have been made public because this claim is likely to lead to widespread hostile publicity against George Zimmerman that could substantially impair his fair trial rights, obviously.
 
Zimmerman has already been the target of nationwide public hostility. There were nationwide marches and protests calling for his arrest.
 
Does this change your opinion of George Zimmerman? Call me 1-877-JVM- SAYS. That`s 1-877-586-7297.
 
Straight out to Natalie Jackson, we are delighted to have her. She`s the attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family. Natalie thank you for being here.
 
What`s your reaction to this claim of mystery Witness Number Nine who claims George Zimmerman touched her inappropriately starting when he was 8 years old. A lot of people are saying it`s irrelevant. It`s prejudicial and he was only 8 when it started allegedly.

NATALIE JACKSON, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN`S FAMILY: Well, I have to tell you Jane, our defense team, we have known about this witness for a while. We decided not to talk about her because we felt that it was her story to tell and it was, you know, out of respect for her privacy.
 
What a lot of people have forgotten is that this witness made a phone call to the police department two days after the shooting. This was before any media got involved. This was before she knew that this case would be on a public and such a large national and global scale. She was just trying to do the right thing.
 
My heart really goes out to her because I don`t think she meant for this to become a public incident. And I don`t think she meant for her life to be examined or George`s life to be examined. She was just trying to give the police information on what she knew about George Zimmerman.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Natalie, I was asking you -- first of all. We don`t know who she is. I don`t know how much her life has been disrupted. But for those who say this should never have been released. It`s irrelevant. It`s highly prejudicial. And how can you blame somebody for something that allegedly happened -- started when they were 8?

JACKSON: It will be relevant. I believe the prosecutor has inferred in this case that she`ll be used as a rebuttal witness. That means that if there`s any testimony from George Zimmerman`s side or from the defense side that he -- he doesn`t have racial tendencies or he is not a violent person, I believe that`s why they disclosed her.
 
Because she called -- the first statement from her that was released was the statement that she made just to inform the police department to look further into this because she believes that race may have played a part in it. And, you know, she`s known him for a very, very long time. So I think that -- like I said --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mark Eiglarsh, criminal defense attorney, your thoughts on relevance and the prejudicial nature, if so.
 
MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Once again, I find myself thoroughly disagreeing with Miss Jackson. Not because I want to be argumentative but I completely disagree. There`s no legal relevance whatsoever to this alleged -- these allegations that took place when he was a child. I have no idea if it`s true or not. But that has nothing to do with a shooting case.
 
Now as it relates to her alleges of racism, what she`s alleging is his family, they`re all racist, and she gives an explanation of why she believes the mother is a racist. And maybe the mother is. I have no idea. But when asked what specific words flowed from George Zimmerman`s lips to cause you to conclude that he was a racist, she couldn`t give anything specific.
 
And furthermore she was asked did you see him act out in any manner to suggest that he was a racist? No. She can`t give any example. So once again I find this witness to be not credible, not usable, completely irrelevant.
 ::snipping2::
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, we`re talking about George Zimmerman and we wanted to play a clip, because there`s this new witness, mystery Witness Number Nine who claims that George Zimmerman and his whole family had kind of a racist attitude. We`ll play a clip -- and it`s about 21 seconds -- and then we`ll get Natalie Jackson`s reaction to that.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
 
WITNESS NUMBER 9: I was afraid that he may have done something because the kid was black. Because growing up, they`ve always made -- him and his family have always made statements that they don`t like black people if they don`t act like white people.

(END AUDIO CLIP)
 
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Natalie Jackson, attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family, this kind of dovetails with a former colleague who was Arab- American who said that George Zimmerman impersonated him as a terrorist character. Your thoughts?

JACKSON: Well, my thoughts on this is I want to go back to whether or not she is admissible into this case. This is about George Zimmerman`s mentality. She could be called as a rebuttal witness -- I`ll still stand by that. Now, he can decide what part of her testimony she can talk about.
 
A judge may rule that what she says about any accusations and molestations irrelevant and may allow other testimony in about what she says about the racial ideologies he had. My thoughts in it is that it`s going to depend on how the door is opened, how she is brought in. The state has listed her as a witness in this case and they have indicated that they will use her as a rebuttal witness.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Quickly, Mark Eiglarsh.

EIGLARSH: Yes. Anything or anyone could be listed as a rebuttal witness, it doesn`t mean that they have anything of value to say. They have to prove that this was ill will, hatred, or spite which is what caused Zimmerman to act. And I don`t see it so far.
  ::snipping2::


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Post by: grace-land on July 17, 2012, 02:22:34 AM
Two-page article

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/16/2898502/jail-call-says-defense-attorney.html

Jail call says defense attorney knew about Zimmerman’s hidden money
Posted on Monday, 07.16.12

Prosecutors released nearly 150 of George Zimmerman’s recorded jailhouse phone calls Monday, including one that suggests his defense attorney knew from the start that tens of thousands of dollars in donations had begun pouring in.

In a phone call recorded April 14 between Zimmerman and a friend named Scott, the two discuss the new defense lawyer and the attorney’s vision for an upcoming bond hearing. Zimmerman tells his friend that he told his new attorney, Mark O’Mara, that he tried to transfer $37,000 from his online legal defense fund site, but could not complete the transaction because of PayPal rules that prevent transfers larger than $10,000.

He twice mentions telling O’Mara about the money.

“He said he’s going to have me declared indigent,” Zimmerman told his friend. “I told him I didn’t think that would be possible, because there was one sizable transfer I tried to make. It got stopped. You know, $37. He said: ‘Well that doesn’t matter. Right now you’re not working. You’re not providing an income for your family. You’re probably not going to be employable for the rest of your life.’”
 ::snipping2::

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/16/2898502/jail-call-says-defense-attorney.html#storylink=cpy


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Post by: Puzzler on July 17, 2012, 05:50:57 AM
Grace-land - TY for the JVM transcript!


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Post by: grace-land on July 17, 2012, 11:02:21 AM
You're welcome, Puzzler!  ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: tupelohoney on July 17, 2012, 01:35:17 PM
https://twitter.com/DaraleneJones (https://twitter.com/DaraleneJones)

24m Daralene Jones ‏@DaraleneJones
Checking to see if that means we could get ruling today...I doubt it.

27m Daralene Jones ‏@DaraleneJones
Court spokesperson told me yesterday Judge was waiting to rule on ‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬'s request for new judge until he had state's response

28m Daralene Jones ‏@DaraleneJones
State says just because you don't like ruling, doesn't mean you have the right to ask fo ra new judge ‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬
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29m Daralene Jones ‏@DaraleneJones
State slams ‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬'s attorney, Mark O'Mara for numerous media appearances, in its motion to objecting to request for new judge

31m Daralene Jones ‏@DaraleneJones
State notes this is second time ‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬ has requested a new judge

33m Daralene Jones ‏@DaraleneJones
State just filed a motion to object to ‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬'s request for a new judge. Reading it now


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Post by: KittyMom on July 17, 2012, 01:37:25 PM
It's time for new players all around...new judge, new state atty, new def atty.  They all seem to be in it for the wrong reasons. 


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Post by: tupelohoney on July 17, 2012, 01:58:57 PM
It's time for new players all around...new judge, new state atty, new def atty.  They all seem to be in it for the wrong reasons. 

SHOCKING REVELATION! Fox News Host Sean Hannity Offered To Pay George Zimmerman's Legal Fees!

Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/fox-news-host-sean-hannity-mark-omara-trayvon-martin-phone-calls-pay-george-zimmermans-legal-fees-details#ixzz20u4WS786


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Post by: tupelohoney on July 17, 2012, 01:59:47 PM
https://twitter.com/DaraleneJones (https://twitter.com/DaraleneJones)

Daralene Jones ‏@DaraleneJones
Court officials: "Judge Lester is on vaca until July 27, so sounds like it could be a while before he rules on whether GZ gets new judge  55s


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Post by: Puzzler on July 17, 2012, 02:06:15 PM
It's time for new players all around...new judge, new state atty, new def atty.  They all seem to be in it for the wrong reasons. 

SHOCKING REVELATION! Fox News Host Sean Hannity Offered To Pay George Zimmerman's Legal Fees!

Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/fox-news-host-sean-hannity-mark-omara-trayvon-martin-phone-calls-pay-george-zimmermans-legal-fees-details#ixzz20u4WS786

I don't know what/who globalgrind is - but I don't really see Sean Hannity going for Jose Baez as Zim's attorney.  I know Sean Hannity has taken an interest in this case from the beginning - but I'm not sure I understand why he would spend a lot of money on Baez.


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Post by: KittyMom on July 17, 2012, 02:36:12 PM
It's time for new players all around...new judge, new state atty, new def atty.  They all seem to be in it for the wrong reasons. 

SHOCKING REVELATION! Fox News Host Sean Hannity Offered To Pay George Zimmerman's Legal Fees!

Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/fox-news-host-sean-hannity-mark-omara-trayvon-martin-phone-calls-pay-george-zimmermans-legal-fees-details#ixzz20u4WS786

I don't know what/who globalgrind is - but I don't really see Sean Hannity going for Jose Baez as Zim's attorney.  I know Sean Hannity has taken an interest in this case from the beginning - but I'm not sure I understand why he would spend a lot of money on Baez.
I don't see SH doing it but I can see Geraldo forking over the cash as long as his good buddy Bozo gets a job.


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Post by: tupelohoney on July 17, 2012, 02:52:59 PM
It's time for new players all around...new judge, new state atty, new def atty.  They all seem to be in it for the wrong reasons. 

SHOCKING REVELATION! Fox News Host Sean Hannity Offered To Pay George Zimmerman's Legal Fees!

Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/fox-news-host-sean-hannity-mark-omara-trayvon-martin-phone-calls-pay-george-zimmermans-legal-fees-details#ixzz20u4WS786

I don't know what/who globalgrind is - but I don't really see Sean Hannity going for Jose Baez as Zim's attorney.  I know Sean Hannity has taken an interest in this case from the beginning - but I'm not sure I understand why he would spend a lot of money on Baez.
I don't see SH doing it but I can see Geraldo forking over the cash as long as his good buddy Bozo gets a job.
GR was my first thought as well.  I have sent a request into snopes.com asking if they can get to the truth of this.  We shall see.....


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Post by: tupelohoney on July 17, 2012, 03:44:00 PM
http://www.wesh.com/blob/view/-/15577874/data/1/-/7o1d0uz/-/State-responds.pdf

State's Response to Defendant's Verified Motion to Disqualify Trial Judge


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Post by: klaasend on July 17, 2012, 07:22:38 PM
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Click on the link below at 9pm ET to listen:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


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Post by: tupelohoney on July 17, 2012, 08:21:41 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

https://twitter.com/RichardHornsby (https://twitter.com/RichardHornsby)

Richard Hornsby ‏@RichardHornsby
‪#SeanHannity‬ works for FOX. ‪#GeraldoRivera‬ works for FOX. ‪#JoseBaez‬ and ‪#GeraldoRivera‬ are in Bromance. Math is simple. ‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬


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Post by: seemeatthebeach on July 17, 2012, 09:12:10 PM
It's time for new players all around...new judge, new state atty, new def atty.  They all seem to be in it for the wrong reasons. 

SHOCKING REVELATION! Fox News Host Sean Hannity Offered To Pay George Zimmerman's Legal Fees!

Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/fox-news-host-sean-hannity-mark-omara-trayvon-martin-phone-calls-pay-george-zimmermans-legal-fees-details#ixzz20u4WS786

I don't know what/who globalgrind is - but I don't really see Sean Hannity going for Jose Baez as Zim's attorney.  I know Sean Hannity has taken an interest in this case from the beginning - but I'm not sure I understand why he would spend a lot of money on Baez.

You can listen to George's jail house calls with him talking about Sean Hannity "code name SH", and Jose, "code name JB" where he blabbers on about them. He uses Jose's whole name several times......one of the times IIRC, he hung up on Jose. LOL

Seriously, these calls show George's true colors.....he is a disgusting, vile person, IMO.
Not one word of regret, remorse, nothing. In fact he JOKES about going to a Trayvon rally if he gets out on bond the Saturday of the rally. Oh, and he's gonna wear a "hoodie". Then chuckles after telling Shellie.


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Post by: grace-land on July 17, 2012, 10:38:42 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/18/us/zimmerman-lawyer-denies-revelations-in-martin-case.html

Zimmerman Lawyer Denies Revelations in Martin Case
Published: July 17, 2012

 ::snipping2::
On Tuesday, Mr. O’Mara said in an interview that he recalled having a conversation with Mr. Zimmerman where a transfer was mentioned but it did not involve a discussion of $37,000 or any large sum of money. Mr. O’Mara said he listened to the tape Monday night and spoken to Mr. Zimmerman about it.

“He didn’t have a conversation about 37 with me,” Mr. O’Mara said. “If there was $37,000 floating around somewhere, I would have been interested in it for a number of reasons.”

“It would have been money for bond, money that would have been disclosed and money for attorney’s fees,” he said.

Mr. O’Mara said he was aware at the time that there were two other Web sites raising money for Mr. Zimmerman with a total of $2,200.

“He did say something about talking to me about the transfer not going through, but it wasn’t particularly relevant to me,” he said. “That was all I remember.”

“There would have been no reason not to disclose that in court if we had known,” Mr. O’Mara added.
 


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Post by: Toler on July 17, 2012, 10:56:41 PM
Fox News: Sean Hannity Has Never Offered To Pay For George Zimmerman’s Legal Fees
July 17 '12

Global Grind, the news website owned by hip hop mogul Russell Simmons, posted an article claiming that Fox News host Sean Hannity offered to pay for the legal defense fund of George Zimmerman, the man accused of shooting and killing Trayvon Martin earlier this year.
 
The article is based on transcripts of jailhouse phone calls in which Zimmerman is speaking in coded language to friends and family.
 
An FNC spokesperson tells TVNewser “Sean Hannity has never offered to pay any legal fees or any fee associated with George Zimmerman.”
 
In one of the transcripts highlighted by Global Grind, Zimmerman explains that an “SH” has offered money for his defense fund, and later explains to his friend how to reach him. Global Grind says that it confirmed with a “rock solid source” that the email address referenced in the call is one used by Hannity. FNC’s statement refutes that claim.
 
Global Grind is in an interesting position. Simmons is an acquaintance of Fox News CEO Roger Ailes, as we have noted before.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fox-news-sean-hannity-has-never-offered-to-pay-for-george-zimmermans-legal-fees_b137894


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Post by: grace-land on July 18, 2012, 12:58:34 AM
Two-page article

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0717/George-Zimmerman-Is-the-prosecution-damaging-his-credibility

George Zimmerman: Is the prosecution damaging his credibility?
 July 17, 2012

 ::snipping2::
The legal wrangling in the case to date will present difficulties for Zimmerman in the eventual trial to maintain credibility to jurors, legal experts say.

“There are potential enormous negative ramifications presented as a result of this entire bail debacle,” says Marcellus McRae, a former US prosecutor now in private practice in Los Angeles. “You already have someone the judge has signaled in this context has credibility problems. You have to think you don’t get that many missteps before it becomes even more critical.”

Zimmerman did not testify in the bail hearing, which Mr. McRae says suggest his attorneys are planning to keep him off the stand during a trial. That decision, McRae says, “will significantly undermine his effort to get his story across,” which might otherwise be considered powerful testimony when compared to prosecutorial witnesses who were not present at the time of the killing.

Another complication for Zimmerman is his wife, Shellie Zimmerman, who is now embroiled in criminal charges of her own. That makes her credibility suffer, which is a loss considering spouses of criminal defendants are often powerful advocates in the courtroom.

“You’ve got a situation where perhaps two of the chief advocates for Mr. Zimmerman may be silenced. Or, if they aren’t silenced, significantly undermine his credibility,” McRae says.

Another tape released Monday is of an unnamed woman, identified by the defense as a cousin of Zimmerman's, who is heard telling investigators he sexually groped her when they were young children. The woman said Zimmerman first molested her when she was 6 and the episodes continued until she was around 16. Zimmerman is two years older than the accuser.

Her family confronted Zimmerman years later but they failed to file criminal charges, she said.

Although it is not yet known how prosecutors plan to use the woman’s accusations, Jules Epstein, a law professor at Widener University of Law in Philadelphia who specializes in cases involving sex crimes, finds it “unimaginable” the statements would be admissible in the trial.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: tupelohoney on July 18, 2012, 11:12:03 AM
https://www.facebook.com/InSession


In Session
3 minutes ago
Will Jose Baez Join Zimmerman Defense Team?
Long-time friend and supporter of George Zimmerman, Frank Taaffe says he was contacted by someone who's interested in having Jose Baez join Zimmerman's defense team. At 12:40, Taaffe will be on In Session talking with Vinnie Politan about the likelihood that Baez will be involved, and who offered to pay for Zimmerman's defense.


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Post by: sharon on July 18, 2012, 11:46:52 AM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/17/2900145/zimmerman-spent-35k-on-cell-phones.html#storylink=omni_popular

Posted on Tuesday, 07.17.12
 
Zimmerman spent $36K in 18 days on phones, Internet, credit cards and bills

By Frances Robles
frobles@MiamiHerald.com

George Zimmerman went through almost $36,000 of contributions in 18 days spent mostly in jail, spending a bulk of his newfound cash on telecommunications, newly filed court records show.

Using funds donated from the public on the short-lived www.therealgeorgezimmerman.com, Zimmerman and his wife spent $6,500 on Internet and phone bills, according to a document his defense attorney filed with the judge. He and his wife bought new cell phones for $300 each and paid a year-long Verizon contract in full. They installed a telephone landline for $2,500 and spent $1,300 on a two-year AT&T wi-fi contract.

They paid off at least $7,000 in credit card bills.

They used $4,378 on automotive expenses, making payments on two car loans while renting another for more than $1,500. Gas: $800.

In a May letter to Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester, O’Mara called the spending “judicious.”

 ::snipping2::

Zimmerman paid off a $3,000 loan to his parents, paid $5,000 for bond, spent $800 at the jail commissary and $600 on jailhouse calling cards. The couple spent about $1,300 on food and $400 on utilities and $1,900 on rent.

Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie, both unemployed, incurred unexpected expenses because they were forced to leave their house in a hurry in face of death threats and heated tensions. That, he said, is why some of the credit card bills are quite steep.

In jailhouse calls released last month by the state attorney’s office, Zimmerman was heard telling his wife to pay off all their bills.

They spent almost $4,000 on American Express alone.

O’Mara stressed that Zimmerman turned over the $123,000 balance to his attorney and that he advised Zimmerman to keep another $20,000 in cash for future expenses.

The expense list covered the period from April 9 when the website went up until April 27, just after the Zimmermans turned over the balance to a legal trust fund.

The judge did not buy the argument and instead said he believed Zimmerman was preparing for a life on the run. He revoked Zimmerman’s bond, and then issued a scathing order raising the bond to $1 million. Now O’Mara is asking for a new judge, saying he believes Lester has shown such prejudice that Zimmerman can’t possibly get a fair trial from him.

In a court document filed Tuesday, Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda called the argument “absurd.” He criticized O’Mara’s frequent television appearances, and listed several special considerations Lester gave his client, such as letting him serve out his bond out of state.

Bank records submitted as evidence indicate Zimmerman spent at least part of that time on the Maryland shore.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: Toler on July 18, 2012, 12:46:36 PM
FOX News Channel’s Hannity to Present Exclusive Interview with George Zimmerman
July 16 '12

FOX News Channel’s (FNC) Sean Hannity has secured the first interview with George Zimmerman, the suspect accused of killing Florida teenager Trayvon Martin, which will be presented exclusively during Hannity tonight at 9PM/ET for the entire hour.

Zimmerman will open up about what happened the night of Trayvon Martin’s death and his experience in the aftermath of the fatal shooting. Additionally, Zimmerman’s defense attorney Mark O’Mara will answer questions regarding his client’s case and rumors circulating about the bail donations and hidden money.  ::snipping2:: 

http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=BW&Date=20120718&ID=15345674&industry=IND_MEDIA&isub=


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Post by: tupelohoney on July 18, 2012, 01:04:11 PM
FOX News Channel’s Hannity to Present Exclusive Interview with George Zimmerman
July 16 '12

FOX News Channel’s (FNC) Sean Hannity has secured the first interview with George Zimmerman, the suspect accused of killing Florida teenager Trayvon Martin, which will be presented exclusively during Hannity tonight at 9PM/ET for the entire hour.

Zimmerman will open up about what happened the night of Trayvon Martin’s death and his experience in the aftermath of the fatal shooting. Additionally, Zimmerman’s defense attorney Mark O’Mara will answer questions regarding his client’s case and rumors circulating about the bail donations and hidden money.  ::snipping2:: 

http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=BW&Date=20120718&ID=15345674&industry=IND_MEDIA&isub=
I don't even want to hear them cry "we can't get a fair trial".  ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: cadillac on July 18, 2012, 01:39:54 PM
FOX News Channel’s Hannity to Present Exclusive Interview with George Zimmerman
July 16 '12

FOX News Channel’s (FNC) Sean Hannity has secured the first interview with George Zimmerman, the suspect accused of killing Florida teenager Trayvon Martin, which will be presented exclusively during Hannity tonight at 9PM/ET for the entire hour.

Zimmerman will open up about what happened the night of Trayvon Martin’s death and his experience in the aftermath of the fatal shooting. Additionally, Zimmerman’s defense attorney Mark O’Mara will answer questions regarding his client’s case and rumors circulating about the bail donations and hidden money.  ::snipping2:: 

http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=BW&Date=20120718&ID=15345674&industry=IND_MEDIA&isub=
I don't even want to hear them cry "we can't get a fair trial".  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I agree, Tups.  Why would he put himself out there, like this, in the media?
I honestly don't know what happened that night, and if I was on a jury, I would do my best to be fair and follow the law  BUT  I just think it was WRONG of Zimmerman to go hunting down TM.  JMO


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Post by: Toler on July 18, 2012, 03:23:27 PM
Sandra Olsson Mackey · Top Commenter · Fort Lauderdale, Florida
July 17 '12

Wow, shocking that the news would report inaccurate and inflammatory information. If you listen to the entire tape, he is NOT making fun of Trayvon. They are discussing his safety while leaving jail and talking about laying down on the floor in the car and possibly wearing a hoodie. You guys are unbelievable.

http://www.11alive.com/comments/248687/40/George-Zimmerman-mocks-Trayvon-Martins-hoodie








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Post by: tupelohoney on July 18, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
https://www.facebook.com/InSession

In Session
3 hours ago
Vinnie's Interview with Frank Taaffe
To hear Vinnie Politan's full interview with George Zimmerman's friend Frank Taaffe on In Session, click here:  VIDEO at link


Sorry, I forgot how to put the video onto a post.  They just end up being white boxes whenever I try..  :smt102







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Post by: tupelohoney on July 18, 2012, 07:43:15 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/national-news/Interview-Zimmerman-apologizes-again-for-teen-s-death/-/11788232/15596766/-/3jxr4a/-/index.html?absolute=true&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=wesh

By the CNN Wire Staff

Interview: Zimmerman apologizes again for teen's death
Shooting suspect sits for interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity
UPDATED 7:16 PM EDT Jul 18, 2012

(CNN) - The Florida neighborhood watch volunteer at the center of a national firestorm over race, crime and gun rights gave his first television interview Wednesday, apologizing again for killing an unarmed teenager.


George Zimmerman sat for an interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity, expressing his regrets to the parents of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman has been charged with second-degree murder for shooting Martin in what he says was self-defense, and he apologized to Martin's parents during an April bond hearing.

"My wife and I don't have any children. I have nephews that I love more than life. I love them more than myself. And I know when they were born, it was a different unique bond and love that I have with them," Zimmerman told Fox in an excerpt released Wednesday evening. "And I love my children even though that they aren't born yet. I am sorry that they buried their child. I can't imagine what it must feel like. And I pray for them daily."







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Post by: cadillac on July 18, 2012, 07:49:16 PM
He loves his children that are not born yet?

Whoa...he has no clue.  He is backtracking with that statement.

A parent that has lost a child is not a group to which he wants to belong.  I feel for both parties, but when he took his gun out and walked that neighborhood, he is responsible for what he did with that gun.

TM did not come into his home - to do wrong.


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Post by: kcrn on July 18, 2012, 10:32:38 PM
FOX News Channel’s Hannity to Present Exclusive Interview with George Zimmerman
July 16 '12

FOX News Channel’s (FNC) Sean Hannity has secured the first interview with George Zimmerman, the suspect accused of killing Florida teenager Trayvon Martin, which will be presented exclusively during Hannity tonight at 9PM/ET for the entire hour.

Zimmerman will open up about what happened the night of Trayvon Martin’s death and his experience in the aftermath of the fatal shooting. Additionally, Zimmerman’s defense attorney Mark O’Mara will answer questions regarding his client’s case and rumors circulating about the bail donations and hidden money.  ::snipping2:: 

http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=BW&Date=20120718&ID=15345674&industry=IND_MEDIA&isub=
I don't even want to hear them cry "we can't get a fair trial".  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I agree, Tups.  Why would he put himself out there, like this, in the media?
I honestly don't know what happened that night, and if I was on a jury, I would do my best to be fair and follow the law  BUT  I just think it was WRONG of Zimmerman to go hunting down TM.  JMO
I dont think him doing an interview was a great idea & I didnt hear what he had to say, but just maybe he wanted to have his own voice be heard with all of the character assassination that he has endured since this happened. I dont know what kind of person he really is but then again, none of us as spectators of this circus have any way of really knowing. We might think he is racist, a molester &that he thinks he can live the high life with all of the money thats been donated to him. Or, we could be logival & think that there is a possibility that none of those things are true. We could think its possible that the media, tne parents, sharpton etc have turned this into a racial thing to fit their own agenda, that the accuser of molestation is embellishing to have her 15 minutes now instead of coming out with het story when the limelight wasnt on (no money for interviews in that), & that maybe gz knows that most if not all of the donations will go toward his defense sine theres no way he &his wife are employable now. We could also think its downright disturbing that tms parents are traveling the world & cashing on their dead son.,this case would have gotten more sympathy from me for the loss of this poor kid if it hadnt been turned into a race war, chance for some to make a name for themselves or a podium for race baiters to spew some hate. Jmo, flame away.


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Post by: kcrn on July 18, 2012, 10:35:41 PM
He loves his children that are not born yet?

Whoa...he has no clue.  He is backtracking with that statement.

A parent that has lost a child is not a group to which he wants to belong.  I feel for both parties, but when he took his gun out and walked that neighborhood, he is responsible for what he did with that gun.

TM did not come into his home - to do wrong.
May be true but how can u know that tm did not resent being watched &followed & confront gz thereby putting himself right there to allow a struggle to go very badly?


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Post by: Toler on July 18, 2012, 10:43:14 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/17/2900145/zimmerman-spent-35k-on-cell-phones.html#storylink=omni_popular

Posted on Tuesday, 07.17.12
  
Zimmerman spent $36K in 18 days on phones, Internet, credit cards and bills

By Frances Robles
frobles@MiamiHerald.com

George Zimmerman went through almost $36,000 of contributions in 18 days spent mostly in jail, spending a bulk of his newfound cash on telecommunications, newly filed court records show.

Using funds donated from the public on the short-lived www.therealgeorgezimmerman.com, Zimmerman and his wife spent $6,500 on Internet and phone bills, according to a document his defense attorney filed with the judge. He and his wife bought new cell phones for $300 each and paid a year-long Verizon contract in full. They installed a telephone landline for $2,500 and spent $1,300 on a two-year AT&T wi-fi contract.

They paid off at least $7,000 in credit card bills.

They used $4,378 on automotive expenses, making payments on two car loans while renting another for more than $1,500. Gas: $800.

In a May letter to Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester, O’Mara called the spending “judicious.”

 ::snipping2::

Zimmerman paid off a $3,000 loan to his parents, paid $5,000 for bond, spent $800 at the jail commissary and $600 on jailhouse calling cards. The couple spent about $1,300 on food and $400 on utilities and $1,900 on rent.

Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie, both unemployed, incurred unexpected expenses because they were forced to leave their house in a hurry in face of death threats and heated tensions. That, he said, is why some of the credit card bills are quite steep.

In jailhouse calls released last month by the state attorney’s office, Zimmerman was heard telling his wife to pay off all their bills.

They spent almost $4,000 on American Express alone.

O’Mara stressed that Zimmerman turned over the $123,000 balance to his attorney and that he advised Zimmerman to keep another $20,000 in cash for future expenses.

The expense list covered the period from April 9 when the website went up until April 27, just after the Zimmermans turned over the balance to a legal trust fund.

The judge did not buy the argument and instead said he believed Zimmerman was preparing for a life on the run. He revoked Zimmerman’s bond, and then issued a scathing order raising the bond to $1 million. Now O’Mara is asking for a new judge, saying he believes Lester has shown such prejudice that Zimmerman can’t possibly get a fair trial from him.

In a court document filed Tuesday, Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda called the argument “absurd.” He criticized O’Mara’s frequent television appearances, and listed several special considerations Lester gave his client, such as letting him serve out his bond out of state.

Bank records submitted as evidence indicate Zimmerman spent at least part of that time on the Maryland shore.

 ::snipping2::

"They installed a telephone landline for $2,500" quote.

Why, as claimed by the judge... would they install a landline if planning to flee?
Edit to fix quotes-missing bracket.  MB


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Post by: tupelohoney on July 18, 2012, 11:12:55 PM
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/id5l86

A Statement from Trayvon Martin’s Family in Response to George Zimmerman’s TV Interview: Zimmerman said that he did not regret getting out of his vehicle, he did not regret following Trayvon, in fact he did not regret anything he did that night. In conclusion, he wouldn’t do anything different. He concluded it was God’s plan. “We must worship a different God because there is no way that MY GOD would have wanted George Zimmerman to KILL my teenage son.” Tracy Martin, father of Trayvon Martin.


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Post by: tupelohoney on July 18, 2012, 11:13:32 PM
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/id5l86 (http://www.twitlonger.com/show/id5l86)

A Statement from Trayvon Martin’s Family in Response to George Zimmerman’s TV Interview: Zimmerman said that he did not regret getting out of his vehicle, he did not regret following Trayvon, in fact he did not regret anything he did that night. In conclusion, he wouldn’t do anything different. He concluded it was God’s plan. “We must worship a different God because there is no way that MY GOD would have wanted George Zimmerman to KILL my teenage son.” Tracy Martin, father of Trayvon Martin.
Edit to add hyperlink


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Post by: tupelohoney on July 18, 2012, 11:14:33 PM
OH! I guess you don't need one for a TwitLonger......NICE!


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Post by: tupelohoney on July 18, 2012, 11:19:32 PM
I watched most of the interview.....it was VERY rehearsed.  One thing that really bothered me was GZ said that the media turned a positive story into a negative story.   For the life of me, I can't figure out how taking one's life is positive.   jmo


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Post by: Toler on July 18, 2012, 11:53:21 PM
I watched most of the interview.....it was VERY rehearsed.  One thing that really bothered me was GZ said that the media turned a positive story into a negative story.   For the life of me, I can't figure out how taking one's life is positive.   jmo
I, too, watched most of it...darned interruptions!

Let's face it, the guy can't win for losing. He has the world media against him as per inflamatory headlines and deceptive reporting.

He came across as a decent, nice guy to me. I believe he had to do this to at least try to counter all the slimeball reporting we see.

Of course it won't work because the media has made up their minds that this man is a racist, no-good b@$&^%d.

Those who believe his version will continue to do so, those who do not...same.

And I'm not sure where you got the 'rehearsed'...I didn't see that


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Post by: Toler on July 19, 2012, 12:23:59 AM
Sandra Olsson Mackey · Top Commenter · Fort Lauderdale, Florida
July 17 '12

Wow, shocking that the news would report inaccurate and inflammatory information. If you listen to the entire tape, he is NOT making fun of Trayvon. They are discussing his safety while leaving jail and talking about laying down on the floor in the car and possibly wearing a hoodie. You guys are unbelievable.

http://www.11alive.com/comments/248687/40/George-Zimmerman-mocks-Trayvon-Martins-hoodie

Quoting myself because...have seen posts on this forum repeating the media inflamatory and lying reporting. Just look at the link...









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Post by: Red on July 19, 2012, 12:59:04 AM
Fox News Sean Hannity Gets George Zimmerman’s Exclusive Interview … Discusses Night He Shot Trayvone Martin, “I Looked up and He Punched Me and Broke my Nose.” … He Prays for Trayvon’s Family Daily (VIDEO)

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/07/18/fox-news-sean-hannity-gets-george-zimmermans-exclusive-interview-discusses-night-he-shot-trayvone-martin-i-looked-up-and-he-punched-me-and-broke-my-nose-he-prays-for-trayvons-family/

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However, as the prosecution has released information in the case under Florida Sunshine laws, some of which should never have been released and was only done so to prejudice the public, tonight George Zimmerman flanked by his attorney Mark O’ Mara went on their own PR offensive. Amazingly Zimmerman went through the events of the evening where he  followed Trayvon Martin, got into a scuffle with Martin while getting his nose broken and eventually shooting Martin dead. Some will call it a crazy legal move for a man facing second degree murder charges, others will say that the case is being tried in the court of public opinion, why not present your side to the public. During the interview George Zimmerman said, “I am sorry that they buried their child. I can’t imagine what it must feel like. I pray for them daily.”
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Post by: tupelohoney on July 19, 2012, 10:24:33 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175901/Barbara-Walters-appalled-George-Zimmerman-demands-wife-hotel-MONTH-exchange-interview-backs-out.html

Barbara Walters 'appalled' after George Zimmerman demands he and wife be put up in hotel for a MONTH in exchange for interview and backs out
Walters flew to Florida to speak with Zimmerman but pulled out
Already bitter she did not get exclusive
Fox News' Sean Hannity landed first interview since February 26th shooting of Trayvon Martin
Zimmerman said shooting was all part of God's plan
Said he was not a racist or murderer

By BETH STEBNER and RACHEL QUIGLEY

PUBLISHED: 06:55 EST, 19 July 2012 | UPDATED: 08:59 EST, 19 July 2012


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Post by: Puzzler on July 19, 2012, 10:24:40 AM
I just finished watching the entire interview.  We now know that Sean Hannity never made an offer to pay for Zim's defense fees (as I thought) and I now think this is a Geraldo "thing", he's probably the "rich man" who made the offer on the condition that Baez be co-counsel.  That's something Geraldo would do for his bud, Baez.
 
There was no friend "Jaffe" on to talk about adding Baez as co-counsel.
 
O'Mara (unlike a lot of attorneys) left Zim speak his mind with the exception of one response about the money - O'Mara asked him not to respond to a question about the money because Zim's wife has been charged with a crime and because of any future potential for Zim to be charged.
 
I was interested to hear Zim's explanations.  Only one time was I saying "huh?" (about would you do something differently and Zim said nothing), but by the end of the interview, Zim cleared that up by explaining his response was in how he interrupted Sean's question and then he responded to how Sean probably meant the question.

I do think that the interview was interesting to the end and for those who didn't watch it all, then chances are good that you missed and important comment.
 
So, all in all, I think it was a good interview - it set up his defense and O'Mara said that now that he's seen the prosecution's evidence that he "does" think SYG is good for Zim (when he talked about it some time ago and wasn't so sure about SYG - it was before he saw the evidence).


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Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2012, 10:27:03 AM
TRANSCRIPT

Exclusive: George Zimmerman breaks silence on 'Hannity'
Published July 18, 2012 | Hannity | Sean Hannity


Special Guests: George Zimmerman, Mark O'Mara

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2012/07/18/exclusive-george-zimmerman-breaks-silence-hannity


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 19, 2012, 12:41:30 PM
https://twitter.com/mattgutmanABC (https://twitter.com/mattgutmanABC)

Matt Gutman ‏@mattgutmanABC
therealgerogezimmerman website is back, and asking for donations. saying $211,000 fund is depleted.



https://twitter.com/DaraleneJones (https://twitter.com/DaraleneJones)

Daralene Jones ‏@DaraleneJones
Prosecutors just filed Sean Hannity interview as part of discovery (potential evidence) in its case against ‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬


https://twitter.com/orlandomicki (https://twitter.com/orlandomicki)

micki ‏@orlandomicki
Something turned her off.

27m micki ‏@orlandomicki
She said because she didn't do the other one she wouldn't do this one- wierd she was being so polite begging for one earlier.

29m micki ‏@orlandomicki
She called him stubborn and wouldn't agree to one of his request - smh

33m micki ‏@orlandomicki
@vlpate2 @KarenSL @artistofideas @YancyFaith @JaJasTweets Then refused interview cause not enough time but would gladly do one later.

micki ‏@orlandomicki
She would glady do one when she has more time.

40m micki ‏@orlandomicki
Mark O'Mara is on the the phone with Barbara and George Zimmerman did call and she refused the interview.

42m micki ‏@orlandomicki
Barbara must be having a long phone conversation!

44m micki ‏@orlandomicki
Well they got 15 minutes left.

49m micki ‏@orlandomicki
Barbara is absent from stage - wonder if she is now conducting her interview.

micki ‏@orlandomicki
George Zimmerman just called on "The view", Barbara Walters will do an interview after comercial break! 54m


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 19, 2012, 01:19:29 PM
https://twitter.com/bobkealing (https://twitter.com/bobkealing)

bob kealing ‏@bobkealing
‪#Zimmerman‬ attorney O'Mara says client is almost broke, doesn't rule out more interviews. ‪#TrayvonMartin‬  1m


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 19, 2012, 01:43:20 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-19/news/os-george-zimmerman-interview-react-20120719_1_trayvon-martin-special-prosecutor-angela-corey-george-zimmerman

Lawyers react to George Zimmerman's interview with Hannity
1:26 p.m. EST, July 19, 2012

Central Florida criminal defense lawyers say it was a mistake for George Zimmerman to go on national television last night and do an hour-long interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity, discussing what happened the night he killed Trayvon Martin.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 19, 2012, 01:54:19 PM
https://twitter.com/bobkealing (https://twitter.com/bobkealing)

bob kealing ‏@bobkealing
O'Mara confirms ‪#Zimmerman‬ has relaunched his own website which his client is controlling.   11m


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 19, 2012, 02:15:27 PM
https://twitter.com/DaraleneJones (https://twitter.com/DaraleneJones)

Daralene Jones ‏@DaraleneJones
Mark O'Mara said he may need to have ‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬ declared indigent ...legal fund nearly depleted

3m Daralene Jones ‏@DaraleneJones
Mark O'Mara said Barbara Walters interview cancelled b/c ‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬ wanted his wife put up for 30 days. Walters refused

4m Daralene Jones ‏@DaraleneJones
Mark O'Mara said so far only about one, two thousand raised after last night. Legal fund nearly depleted. ‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 19, 2012, 03:01:47 PM
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/07/19/george-zimmerman-body-language

What does Zimmerman’s body language reveal?
By Anna Gonzalez
updated 2:18 PM EDT, Thu July 19, 2012

George Zimmerman gives first interview: What does it reveal?
Body language expert says Zimmerman disturbing to watch


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 19, 2012, 03:20:48 PM
https://twitter.com/SunnyHostin (https://twitter.com/SunnyHostin)

Sunny Hostin ‏@SunnyHostin
Barbara Walters says that Sean Hannity contributed to George Zimmerman's pay pal account.  2m


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Post by: tupelohoney on July 19, 2012, 04:01:00 PM
Zimmerman apologizes, relaunches website in TV interview
George Zimmerman says he trusts legal system
UPDATED 3:40 PM EDT Jul 19, 2012

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Prosecutors filed a supplemental discovery notice with one item on Thursday -- the interview. They say they may use his comments at trial.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said he is prepared to deal with what comes from his client's interview, but said he's not surprised by the state's decision to use the interview at trial.

"We'll deal with the fallout. It will be minimal," said O'Mara. "The timing wasn't great, but it was out of necessity. The family and defense fund is basically broke."

O'Mara said the interview was to publicize the relaunch of Zimmerman's own website, therealgeorgezimmerman.com, a website that Zimmerman himself controls.
 ::snipping2::

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/Zimmerman-apologizes-relaunches-website-in-TV-interview/-/14266478/15600606/-/ikgerxz/-/index.html#ixzz216GCHcbC



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Post by: tupelohoney on July 19, 2012, 04:05:59 PM
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Mark-O-Mara-defends-George-Zimmerman-s-interview/-/1637132/15608544/-/nrq5m5/-/index.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Mark O'Mara defends George Zimmerman's interview
Parents of Trayvon Martin upset over Zimmerman's 'God's plan' comment

Published On: Jul 19 2012 03:54:58 PM EDT

SANFORD, Fla. -
The lawyer for George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watchman who shot and killed Trayvon Martin, defended statements made by Zimmerman in his first sit-down interview with Fox News Channel's Sean Hannity Wednesday night.

Attorney Mark O'Mara said Zimmerman's statement about not regretting the events leading him to shooting and killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, that it was "all God's plan," has been misconstrued.

"That phrase is used by a lot of God-fearing God-believing people to explain away bad things," O'Mara said.

O'Mara also said differences in some details in the accoutns his client gave polic eand Fox News won't hurt his case.

"I had always said that if you have somebody gives 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 statements over a period of time and they are completely consistent, then it's a lie," O'Mara said in response a question about whether Zimmerman's credibility was hurt.

The state said Thursday morning that it will seek to use Zimmerman's interview against him, leaving many questioning why Zimmerman would suspend his right to remain silent. The answer: Money.

"He needs money, there's no question about that, he needs to survive between now and the day of his acquittal," O'Mara told Local 6. "George and his family and the defense fund is basically broke."

While Fox paid notZimmerman had hoped to have his newly re-created website, TheRealGeorgeZimmerman.com, shown during his interview, according to O'Mara. O'Mara said his client was disappointed when it wasn't shown or mentioned.

"My understanding is it was going to be spoken about, so there was a disappointment there," O'Mara said.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 19, 2012, 04:47:08 PM
Watch Mark O'Mara's full interview
No date given at time of post

ORLANDO, Fla. - Mark O'Mara spoke Thursday about George Zimmerman's television interview. O'Mara said he is prepared to deal with what comes from his client's interview, but said he's not surprised by the state's decision to use the interview at trial.

Watch the whole interview here:

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3


Read more: http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/Watch-Mark-O-Mara-s-full-interview/-/14266478/15609250/-/tq0c1r/-/index.html#ixzz216Rou27X



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Post by: grace-land on July 19, 2012, 04:48:25 PM
Two-page article

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0719/George-Zimmerman-s-Fox-News-interview-Risky-step-for-Trayvon-Martin-s-killer

George Zimmerman's Fox News interview: Risky step for Trayvon Martin's killer?
July 19, 2012

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Some legal analysts say that while it is certainly risky to put a defendant in a high-profile case in the media spotlight, the televised interview’s purpose was to present Mr. Zimmerman as a reasonable person and lawful gun owner who found himself trapped in an unpredictable situation, which justified the killing.

Despite the sympathy directed to the parents, Zimmerman appeared calm but resolute regarding his actions.

“It was all God’s plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it…,” he said, shaking his head. He later told Mr. Hannity he “would not have done anything differently” even though he wished “that there was something, anything I could have done that wouldn’t have put me in the position where I had to take [Martin’s] life.”

Zimmerman’s description of the events corresponds to Florida’s controversial “stand-your-ground” law at issue in this case. The law permits people to use lethal force when they fear great bodily injury or death.

Norm Pattis, a criminal defense attorney in New Haven, Conn., says that, while “it’s rarely a good idea” to expose defendants to the media because of the danger the prosecution can use their words against them in a trial, Zimmerman’s attorneys apparently used the Fox interview to successfully articulate his defense and to emphasize his credibility.

“[Zimmerman] wants to claim that, under the totality of the circumstances, homicide was justified and he had to do what he had to do. So he’s walking that line carefully since the trial will be about justified homicide,” Mr. Pattis says. “That is exactly what I expected him to say and it’s very, very shrewd.”
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 19, 2012, 04:51:48 PM
https://twitter.com/SunnyHostin (https://twitter.com/SunnyHostin)

Sunny Hostin ‏@SunnyHostin
CORRECTION. Barbara Walters said Sean Hannity did NOT contribute to George Zimmerman's Pay Pal account in response to ? from Roseanne Barr.


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 19, 2012, 07:14:05 PM
https://twitter.com/RichardHornsby (https://twitter.com/RichardHornsby)

Richard Hornsby ‏@RichardHornsby
FYI: Was pointed out that #GeorgeZimmerman's 1st Motion to Recuse based on a diff section than his 2nd; so Lester will have to step aside. 3m


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Post by: tupelohoney on July 19, 2012, 07:18:13 PM
http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/raw-zimmerman-thanks-supporters-in-new-video/vctNQ/

Raw: Zimmerman thanks supporters in new video


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Post by: tupelohoney on July 19, 2012, 07:29:33 PM
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Local-6-exclusive-George-Zimmerman-criticizes-defense-team-s-online-efforts/-/1637132/15611904/-/wml9udz/-/index.html

Local 6 exclusive: George Zimmerman criticizes defense team's online efforts
Zimmerman removes complaints on website's 'About' page

Author: Tony Pipitone, Problem Solver, tpipitone@clickorlando.com
Published On: Jul 19 2012 06:49:17 PM EDT  Updated On: Jul 19 2012 07:06:01 PM EDT



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on July 20, 2012, 05:07:38 AM
https://twitter.com/SunnyHostin (https://twitter.com/SunnyHostin)

Sunny Hostin ‏@SunnyHostin
Barbara Walters says that Sean Hannity contributed to George Zimmerman's pay pal account.  2m


Sunny Hostin‏@SunnyHostin

@porcelain10 CORRECTION. Barbara Walters said Sean Hannity did NOT contribute to Zimmerman's Pay Pal account in response to ? from R.Barr
 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on July 20, 2012, 05:09:33 AM
https://twitter.com/SunnyHostin (https://twitter.com/SunnyHostin)

Sunny Hostin ‏@SunnyHostin
Barbara Walters says that Sean Hannity contributed to George Zimmerman's pay pal account.  2m


Sunny Hostin‏@SunnyHostin

@porcelain10 CORRECTION. Barbara Walters said Sean Hannity did NOT contribute to Zimmerman's Pay Pal account in response to ? from R.Barr
 

tupelohoney - TY  you're doing a yeoman's job of posting links
After I posted Sunny Hostin's correction above, I saw that you had already posted it - sorry.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on July 20, 2012, 05:18:59 AM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/19/2902578/zimmerman-calls-barbara-walter.html

More twists as Zimmerman takes his case public
Posted on Thursday, 07.19.12

(snip) 
A flurry of bizarre turns the past two days suggest Zimmerman has begun to break away from the advice of his lawyer and take matters into his own hands. Legal experts say it’s a risky move for him to go so public, when he still faces the prospect of life in prison. Some question his attorney’s judgment in allowing him to continue that behavior.

“The client always calls the shots,” his lawyer, Mark O’Mara said Thursday. “If you’re on the streets or about to be hungry and worried for the wife you love, maybe you have to make decisions along the way.’’

(snip)
O’Mara says that despite the series what appear to be hasty choices – including a widely panned interview with Hannity that aired Wednesday – he has not lost control of his client.

“It was a team decision, made on the fly, quite quickly,” he said of the decision to call Walters. “Someone said she was talking about it on the show, so we jumped up and turned on the TV. There wasn’t a lot of forethought.”

(snip)
And why, so many experts have asked, did O’Mara allow a national interview before a second-degree murder trial, knowing it would wind up as evidence in his case? Because they’re broke, he said, a few hours after the Assistant State Attorney handling the case filed paperwork adding the interview the list of evidence.

(snip)
O’Mara said he allowed the interview because, for one, he believes his client is innocent. He also figured it would not be so damaging for him to make a public statement, when he had given so many statements to police already.

As for the revived website, he said Zimmerman always wanted to maintain his own web presence in the face of false rumors and imposters. O’Mara acknowledged being in “unchartered waters” in a case of this kind, and said he will check in on the site periodically.

“This has been the most difficult time of my life,” Zimmerman wrote. “Rumors and lies about the case and me are rampant on the Internet. I want to set the record straight about some things.’’

 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on July 20, 2012, 05:42:59 AM
twitter.com/#!/bobkealing (http://twitter.com/#!/bobkealing)
Edit to hyperlink.  MB

#Zimmerman attorney O'Mara says client is almost broke, doesn't rule out more interviews. #TrayvonMartin

bob kealing ‏@bobkealing

O'Mara confirms #Zimmerman has relaunched his own website which his client is controlling. #TrayvonMartin



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: tupelohoney on July 20, 2012, 10:29:27 AM
https://twitter.com/SunnyHostin (https://twitter.com/SunnyHostin)

Sunny Hostin ‏@SunnyHostin
Barbara Walters says that Sean Hannity contributed to George Zimmerman's pay pal account.  2m


Sunny Hostin‏@SunnyHostin

@porcelain10 CORRECTION. Barbara Walters said Sean Hannity did NOT contribute to Zimmerman's Pay Pal account in response to ? from R.Barr
 

tupelohoney - TY  you're doing a yeoman's job of posting links
After I posted Sunny Hostin's correction above, I saw that you had already posted it - sorry.
No need to be sorry, I do it more than I care too. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 20, 2012, 06:18:24 PM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Girls Vanish During Bike Ride

Aired July 16, 2012 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
 ::snipping2::
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re getting new evidence now released by prosecutors.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: New FBI reports released just a few hours ago.

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, CHARGED WITH TRAYVON MARTIN`S MURDER: He said, "You got a problem?" And I turned around. I said, "No, I don`t have a problem, man."

SYBRINA FULTON, MOTHER OF TRAYVON MARTIN: This is not about a black and white thing. This is about a right and wrong thing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The question that a lot of people asking here, what role, if any, did race play in the case?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Somehow, Mr. Martin, because he`s wearing a hoodie is a criminal?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: George Zimmerman`s attorney meanwhile says he cannot get a fail trial because the judge in this case is biased.

Former neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing Trayvon Martin wants Judge Kenneth Lester to step down from the case.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, new ugly allegations emerge in the Trayvon Martin shooting case. A new witness steps forward and accuses shooter, the volunteer neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman of racism and of a decade of sexual abuse.

George Zimmerman, currently out of jail in a safe house awaiting trial after gunning down unarmed teen Trayvon Martin. Cops interview scores of witnesses including one woman who lashed out against the shooter with disturbing new claims. Defense attorney, Mark O`Meara, says this is George Zimmerman`s own cousin.

The police audio of this mystery witness called Witness Number Nine was just released. And what she has to say is shocking. Listen.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

WITNESS NUMBER 9: It started when I was six. He`s about almost two years older than I am. He would reach under the blankets and try to do things. I would try to push him off but he was bigger and stronger and older. It was in front of everybody. And I don`t know how I didn`t say anything, but I just didn`t know any better.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s reemphasize what this mystery Witness Number Nine has said is that Zimmerman was just eight years old when she claims he began touching her inappropriately. She says it continued until he was 17. We will not be naming Witness Number Nine. We have reached out to her for comment and we`re told that nobody in her family would be speaking to the media.

Zimmerman`s defense team fought tooth and nails to keep this evidence from being released, arguing right up until the very moment it was made public.

Now that it`s out Zimmerman`s attorney Mark O`Meara says, quote, "This statement is not relevant to this." He also says it will not be admissible in the trial. Instead it should not have been made public because this claim is likely to lead to widespread hostile publicity against George Zimmerman that could substantially impair his fair trial rights, obviously.


Zimmerman has already been the target of nationwide public hostility. There were nationwide marches and protests calling for his arrest.

Does this change your opinion of George Zimmerman? Call me 1-877-JVM- SAYS. That`s 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to Natalie Jackson, we are delighted to have her. She`s the attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family. Natalie thank you for being here.

What`s your reaction to this claim of mystery Witness Number Nine who claims George Zimmerman touched her inappropriately starting when he was 8 years old. A lot of people are saying it`s irrelevant. It`s prejudicial and he was only 8 when it started allegedly.

NATALIE JACKSON, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN`S FAMILY: Well, I have to tell you Jane, our defense team, we have known about this witness for a while. We decided not to talk about her because we felt that it was her story to tell and it was, you know, out of respect for her privacy.

What a lot of people have forgotten is that this witness made a phone call to the police department two days after the shooting. This was before any media got involved. This was before she knew that this case would be on a public and such a large national and global scale. She was just trying to do the right thing.

My heart really goes out to her because I don`t think she meant for this to become a public incident. And I don`t think she meant for her life to be examined or George`s life to be examined. She was just trying to give the police information on what she knew about George Zimmerman.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Natalie, I was asking you -- first of all. We don`t know who she is. I don`t know how much her life has been disrupted. But for those who say this should never have been released. It`s irrelevant. It`s highly prejudicial. And how can you blame somebody for something that allegedly happened -- started when they were 8?

JACKSON: It will be relevant. I believe the prosecutor has inferred in this case that she`ll be used as a rebuttal witness. That means that if there`s any testimony from George Zimmerman`s side or from the defense side that he -- he doesn`t have racial tendencies or he is not a violent person, I believe that`s why they disclosed her.

Because she called -- the first statement from her that was released was the statement that she made just to inform the police department to look further into this because she believes that race may have played a part in it. And, you know, she`s known him for a very, very long time. So I think that -- like I said --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mark Eiglarsh, criminal defense attorney, your thoughts on relevance and the prejudicial nature, if so.

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Once again, I find myself thoroughly disagreeing with Miss Jackson. Not because I want to be argumentative but I completely disagree. There`s no legal relevance whatsoever to this alleged -- these allegations that took place when he was a child. I have no idea if it`s true or not. But that has nothing to do with a shooting case.

Now as it relates to her alleges of racism, what she`s alleging is his family, they`re all racist, and she gives an explanation of why she believes the mother is a racist. And maybe the mother is. I have no idea. But when asked what specific words flowed from George Zimmerman`s lips to cause you to conclude that he was a racist, she couldn`t give anything specific.

And furthermore she was asked did you see him act out in any manner to suggest that he was a racist? No. She can`t give any example. So once again I find this witness to be not credible, not usable, completely irrelevant.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We asked you, our viewers, for pictures of your pets and here -- ah, look at little Boo. If you want to send one in, hlntv.com/Jane. Riley, you`re fabulous. Let`s see, Skip. Nice flowers Skip.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re currently doing an investigation into the cause of his death, there`s a security hold that`s going to be placed on the case. All we can confirm is that he has passed away, and we`ll be doing an autopsy in the next couple of days and the cause of death will probably be pending toxicology, (inaudible) pathology and further testing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, we`re talking about George Zimmerman and we wanted to play a clip, because there`s this new witness, mystery Witness Number Nine who claims that George Zimmerman and his whole family had kind of a racist attitude. We`ll play a clip -- and it`s about 21 seconds -- and then we`ll get Natalie Jackson`s reaction to that.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

WITNESS NUMBER 9: I was afraid that he may have done something because the kid was black. Because growing up, they`ve always made -- him and his family have always made statements that they don`t like black people if they don`t act like white people.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Natalie Jackson, attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family, this kind of dovetails with a former colleague who was Arab- American who said that George Zimmerman impersonated him as a terrorist character. Your thoughts?

JACKSON: Well, my thoughts on this is I want to go back to whether or not she is admissible into this case. This is about George Zimmerman`s mentality. She could be called as a rebuttal witness -- I`ll still stand by that. Now, he can decide what part of her testimony she can talk about.

A judge may rule that what she says about any accusations and molestations irrelevant and may allow other testimony in about what she says about the racial ideologies he had. My thoughts in it is that it`s going to depend on how the door is opened, how she is brought in. The state has listed her as a witness in this case and they have indicated that they will use her as a rebuttal witness.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Quickly, Mark Eiglarsh.

EIGLARSH: Yes. Anything or anyone could be listed as a rebuttal witness, it doesn`t mean that they have anything of value to say. They have to prove that this was ill will, hatred, or spite which is what caused Zimmerman to act. And I don`t see it so far.

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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 20, 2012, 07:05:52 PM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/19/ddhln.01.html
DR. DREW
Missing Kids; Living with a Mental Illness
Aired July 19, 2012 - 21:00   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
DR. DREW PINSKY, HOST: Here we go.
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PINSKY: Thank you, Patrick. George Zimmerman`s shocking interview about the night he shot Trayvon Martin. I want to hear from you about that. I`ll be joined by Marcia Clark. Our number here, 855-DrDrew5.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PINSKY: George Zimmerman says it was God`s plan that brought he and Trayvon Martin together the night of their deadly confrontation. I`m not so sure. I think it was Mr. Zimmerman following Trayvon and making Trayvon suspicious that led to all the trouble, but Zimmerman admits to shooting Trayvon in the chest.

He says it was self-defense. He`s out on bail, charged with second- degree murder. Last night, he spoke to Fox News` Sean Hannity. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, ACCUSED OF KILLING TRAYVON MARTIN: I felt he was suspicious because it was raining. He was in between houses, cutting in between houses, and he was walking very leisurely for the weather. He started bashing my head into the concrete sidewalk. As soon as he broke my nose, I started yelling for help.

So, I was disoriented, and he started slamming my head into concrete. He said you`re going to die tonight (EXPLETIVE DELETED) and took one hand off of my mouth and I felt it going down my chest towards my belt and my holster and that`s when I didn`t have any more time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)


PINSKY: Joining us, Marcia Clark, former prosecutor and author of "Guilt By Degrees." Marcia, do you think it was a good idea for Zimmerman`s attorney to allow him to address the media?

MARCIA CLARK, FORMER PROSECUTOR: I`m of two minds about that, Drew. You know, I`m not sure. Usually, I would say categorically no. It`s always a bad idea. Don`t let your client be out there. Don`t let the prosecution get preview of what he`s going to say so they can be ready to punch holes in it. In this case, though, it may be the right thing for him to do, because there`s so much out there that`s bad for him, so much anti- Zimmerman opinion, theory, evidence that he wants to start back spinning it.

He needs to backspin. He needs to start creating a doubt in people`s minds. And so, having Zimmerman out there saying there`s another side, here`s my side to erode some of that certainty is probably a good move.

PINSKY: Do you think that by going out there and eroding some of that opinion, he can affect jury selection or who might be in that jury pool?

CLARK: Oh, that`s the idea.

PINSKY: OK.
CLARK: Generally. Oh, yes. That`s definitely what they`re doing. They`re trying to taint the jury pool or they would say balance the jury pool.
PINSKY: Taint or balance. That`s how we look at it. Now, after the interview, Zimmerman re-launched his website. It`s called TheRealGeorgeZimmerman.com asking supporters to donate to his defense fund. Take a look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ZIMMERMAN: However, I wanted to take this opportunity to thank you, the masses. This is our website. It`s not my website. It is our website where you can personally communicate with me, and I hope to be your website to provide the facts.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Again, do you think his attorney was endorsing, allowing, embracing this idea?

CLARK: That, I`m not sure of. I don`t know what compliant client he is or not. And that has a lot to do with it. He`s shown himself to kind of be a little bit of a loose cannon in the beginning of this case. So, he may have gone off on his own to do this one. I don`t know. I don`t recommend what he`s doing here.

And if he`s trying to actually interact spontaneously with people who call in and ask for his side of the story, that`s an even worse idea. Horrible idea.

PINSKY: But he does need money for his defense fund.

CLARK: Yes, I`m sure.

PINSKY: Let`s take a quick call. Let`s talk to Randi in Florida -- Randi.

PINSKY: Randi.
RANDI: I guess, you know, after the watching the interview last night, I was really very confused and I still don`t understand why Zimmerman did not identify himself with his name and, of course, his role as neighborhood watch.

And then, I was also confused as to, you know, he just followed him, you know, was what we heard originally, and then last time, he says, well, I just went the same direction which, you know, of course, means the same thing.

PINSKY: So, Randi, you kind of feel like he was trying to engage as opposed to saying, hey, get out of here, I`m the neighborhood watch that sort of thing, right?

RANDI: Right. Exactly.

PINSKY: That`s an interesting thought, isn`t it?

CLARK: It really is.

PINSKY: Yes.

CLARK: And it`s a good point.

PINSKY: Yes. I think that`s -- because that`s the core here, isn`t it?

CLARK: Yes.
PINSKY: It`s like he made some choices that led to a horrible outcome.
CLARK: Yes.

PINSKY: Horrible.

CLARK: Horrible.


PINSKY: What people are really scrutinizing is what was in his head at the beginning?

CLARK: What was in his head? What was motivating him? Why did he follow? How long did he follow? And then, ultimately, the credibility call of all time, which is, do we believe the story he`s telling us now or not? And at the end of the day, Drew, it`s going to come down to this. You`re going to have many statements from him.

You`re going to have the original statements to the police, you`re going to have the subsequent statements to the police, then you`re going to have these statements, you`re going to have a million statements. To the extent they`re inconsistent, that hurts him. The other thing you`re going to have is physical evidence.

What on Trayvon martin`s body tells us that we should or should not believe George Zimmerman? He says Trayvon hit him, punched him in the head repeatedly. You know, that the head is a bony, bony structure. If you`re punching it with your fist, you`re going to have abrasions on your knuckles. You`re going to have bruises

There should be some blood on him if he broke his nose, and he`s continuing to contact him. We`ll see what the autopsy and the forensics say. That`s going to be critical, too.
PINSKY: Well, you know, one thing I did take -- I took away from this, this is all so damn sad. This is just sad for everybody. Khalid in North Carolina -- Khalid. Khalid? Maybe mispronouncing that name? All right. Meryl in California -- Meryl.

MERYL, CALIFORNIA: Yes.

PINSKY: Go right ahead.


MERYL: Yes. My question is, why would a -- Zimmerman`s attorney allow his client to use the word "God`s plan" in any kind of a phrase in defense of his actions? That was the nail in his coffin because now the prosecuting attorney could zone in that the thing was planned.

I think he should have said if he used the word "God`s plan" should have been it was God`s plan to -- for him to survive the beating, but not to use it in his defense --

PINSKY: Or God`s will. God`s will.

CLARK: Well, that`s you why don`t let your client do these interviews because you can only control so much.

PINSKY: Right.
CLARK: Right? I mean, I understand why he wanted to do it. I can even see this unique case, maybe it was a good idea, but this is why you don`t do it.

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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 20, 2012, 07:16:51 PM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/19/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
New Developments in Case of Missing Iowa girls
Aired July 19, 2012 - 19:00   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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Plus, new outrage in the wake of George Zimmerman`s first TV interview. You won`t believe what the accused gunman says when asked if he regrets the night he killed Trayvon Martin. The dead teen`s family is furious.

Was this a brilliant PR move for Zimmerman`s defense? Or could it be a gift to prosecutors in his upcoming murder trial?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: George Zimmerman`s first TV interview.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: George Zimmerman actually went on Fox News last night to tell his side of the story.

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, CHARGED WITH TRAYVON MARTIN`S MURDER: I`m not a racist. And I`m not a murderer.

He apologized to the family of Trayvon Martin, but also said he has no regrets.

DARYL PARKS ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN`S FAMILY: The state attorney is going to see this interview as a gift.

ZIMMERMAN: I feel like it was all God`s plan.

SYBRINA FULTON, MOTHER OF TRAYVON MARTIN: God did not have a plan for Trayvon to die.

ZIMMERMAN: I do wish that there was something, anything I could have done that wouldn`t have put me in the position where I had to take his life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why did he even get out to call? Why was my son so suspicious?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We have breaking news just into the newsroom on this case. Just minutes ago an all-new George Zimmerman video came out. We`ve put it through our process and we can show you a tiny tidbit. That`s how recently it came in.

Jane Velez-Mitchell back with you live. Now, here it is. His first message to the public straight from his Web site. Take a look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ZIMMERMAN: Hello. This is George Zimmerman. First and foremost I want to thank you all for visiting the realGeorgeZimmerman.com. We`ve re- launched this Web site to once again thank you, my supporters.

My intention was and still is to personally and individually thank you all. However, I wanted to take this opportunity to thank you, the masses.

This is our Web site. It`s not my Web site. It is our Web site where you can personally communicate with me. And I hope to be your Web site to provide facts.

(END VIDEO CLIP)
(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. I`m watching that as you`re watching that. This case has gone off the rails. What the heck was that? A defendant who is in a safehouse.

You know what; it reminds me of the Casey Anthony videos, the video diary she sent out.

I got to go to Daryl Parks, the attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family. That`s the family -- that`s the family of the young man gunned down, the unarmed teen who`s going to get Skittles and ice tea.

Did you see and hear that new video? Oh my gosh. We just got it in.

PARKS: I just listened to it. But I`m not really surprised by that because some of the information that I have read this week indicated that, one, they were trying to solicit funds. Number two, I saw a very interesting piece of data that said George Zimmerman was maintaining editorial control of that Web site as he re-launched it. So, I`m not surprised by him coming out. I figured there was some reason for him maintaining editorial control of that Web site.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But do you think it`s appropriate?

PARKS: Well, I don`t think it`s really up to me to judge the appropriateness of him, you know, doing a Web site. Everyone has a right to freedom of speech. He has a right to speech. He has a right to his own strategy. And so that`s a decision he and his advisors must make. And that`s a decision I guess they`ve made.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s a very gracious response. To me it`s like, what? What is happening to criminal cases that defendants are now basically plugging themselves on the web and saying, hey, basically come to me and come to this Web site? I mean, this is like a commercial. This involves a dead young man. That was by the way from the realGeorgeZimmerman.com.


We`re going to play it again in a second. Zimmerman of course, awaiting trial for shooting and killing unarmed teen Trayvon Martin; he`s been out of jail for just a few days.

But now he`s breaking his silence to Fox News. And essentially last night in their exclusive interview he blamed God for what happened. Of course, Trayvon Martin`s parents were outraged by that statement. Watch this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ZIMMERMAN: I feel that it was all God`s plan. And for me to second- guess it or judge it --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

FULTON: I think it`s absolutely ridiculous. God did not have a plan for Trayvon to die and for George Zimmerman to shoot Trayvon for no reason.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That wasn`t Zimmerman`s only attempt at getting on TV. He also met with Barbara Walters for a sit-down interview, but the interview never happened. Today on "The View" Barbara explained the whole thing.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARBARA WALTERS, CO-HOST, "THE VIEW": I was wearing a T-shirt. That should have been my first clue. And then said he would not do an interview. No matter what we said, but he would if there were one condition. It was a condition that being a member of ABC News I was unable to grant. (END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what was that condition? According to Zimmerman`s lawyer, Mark O`Mara, George wanted shelter and security for his wife, Shellie, seen there, for a month. What does that mean? Zimmerman wanted ABC to spring for 30 days in a hotel room? Does all of this hurt or help George Zimmerman`s case?

Give me a holler. 1-877-JVM SAYS.

All right. I want to bring in Michelle Suskauer, criminal defense attorney. You`re down there in Florida where all this is going on. First of all, your reaction to this new video on the Internet; correct me if I`m wrong, but is this some kind of new phenomenon that we are seeing here tonight together for the first time. Defendants in high profile cases actually appealing directly to the public with a web interview or a web statement?

SUSKAUER, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, normally we don`t especially as a criminal defense lawyer, when you have a pending case, you really don`t want your client to speak. But this is a very, very unusual situation where it was really one-sided information slamming him for a very long time with really without any response. It was really one-sided.

And so this is his opportunity, I think he listened to it, listened to it. And even his counsel is saying, "Listen, don`t speak." He wants his opportunity to have his say because he may not testify at trial. And certainly everything that he says could be used against him. So this is his opportunity to speak and to have his peace, good or bad.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. I want to play this video again. Again, we just got it in. I heard it the way you did, but it`s fascinating to me.

Look at the palm trees in the background. We`re cueing it up because now this is at least the fourth time he`s spoken. Once after he was taken in by police, not officially arrested but taken in. Once when he gave his re-enactment, once to Hannity and now this -- let`s listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ZIMMERMAN: Hello. This is George Zimmerman. First and foremost I want to thank you all for visiting therealGeorgeZimmerman.com. We re- launched this Web site to once again thank you my supporters. My intention was and still is to personally and individually thank you all.

However, I wanted to take this opportunity to thank you, the masses. This is our Web site. It`s not my Web site. It is our Web site where you can personally communicate with me. And I hope to be your Web site to provide facts.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, to me it`s got to all be about money, about raising funds for his defense. Because I heard that there was a spike, there`s been a spike in donations at key times in this case when he`s spoken out, et cetera.

Bryan Claypool, criminal defense attorney and child advocate, is it just me or is this bizarre? I mean, we have now entered a new dimension in terms of high-profile criminal cases. I personally have never seen something like this.

BRYAN CLAYPOOL, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Jane, I haven`t seen anything like it either, but this is a by-product of Mr. Zimmerman having lied at his bond hearing. If you recall, Judge Lester came down and chastised him greatly and said that he was making a mockery of the court. He was manipulative.

His attorney, Mark O`Meara, came back and said, look, I want to try to recuse this judge because you shouldn`t be attacking my client like that. So what`s happening now is Mr. O`Meara makes a decision, "Hey, I`ve got to get my guy out there. I have to do some PR work. I have to do some damage control here."

And I got to tell you, I think it`s a big mistake because when you have a criminal client defendant, Jane, picture it like a noose, like you have a noose that big. And when you allow your client to start talking the way that Zimmerman`s talking, that noose starts tightening and tightening and tightening. Because when you let a client talk in interviews like this, it`s almost like what`s that movie Tom Hanks was in a few years ago? "Forrest Gump", remember that comment he made about life`s like a box of chocolates? Well, y our clients no matter how much you prepare them to testify, witnesses and clients are like a box of chocolate. You never know what you`re going to get. And what you got here was Mr. Zimmerman saying things --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. I think that`s an interesting analogy. Daryl Parks, I want to give you the last word. Just ten seconds. Do you think this is going to backfire all of this George Zimmerman in court?

PARKS: Without question. This case is about credibility. And all the inconsistencies that came out just in that interview alone was certainly going a good ways towards helping in the conviction of George Zimmerman.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you, sir. Thank you fantastic panel for staying on top of that story. You know you`ll always get the latest on George Zimmerman right here.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on July 21, 2012, 12:40:42 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-20/news/os-george-zimmerman-hannity-part2-20120720_1_trayvon-martin-mark-o-mara-george-zimmerman

George Zimmerman on Hannity: 'I wear hoodies.'
8:53 p.m. EST, July 20, 2012|

In new video posted Friday night by Fox News, George Zimmerman said he "was hit hard" when he learned from Sanford police that he had killed a 17-year-old who was a good kid and carried nothing more sinister than candy and a can of iced tea.

The 28-year-old Neighborhood Watch volunteer gave conservative talk show host Sean Hannity an exclusive interview Wednesday. Hannity aired most of it that night, but Fox News posted a new, unaired segment on its website Friday night.

Zimmerman fatally shot the teenager, Trayvon Martin, Feb. 26 on a Sanford sidewalk. He says he acted in self-defense after the Miami Gardens high school junior attacked him, banged his head into a sidewalk, tried to smother him and reached for a gun Zimmerman wore on his waist.

In the Friday night clip, Zimmerman said he was heartbroken when Sanford police detectives told him that he'd killed a 17-year-old who had no criminal record, came from a loving family and carried no weapon, just a package of Skittles and a can of Arizona iced tea.

"The young man that I mentor is very close in age to Trayvon. I thought of him being in Trayvon's shoes," he said. "It broke my heart."

Zimmerman went on to explain that he and his wife, Shellie, have mentored a young brother and sister, both black, for more than a year.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Red on July 21, 2012, 07:40:11 PM
New VIDEO of George Zimmerman Thanking Supporters at TheRealGeorgeZimmerman.com (George Zimmerman – Trayvon Martin Trial)

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/07/21/new-video-of-george-zimmerman-thanking-supporters-at-therealgeorgezimmerman-com-george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-trial/

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It’s Baaack …

George Zimmerman’s web site,TheRealGeorgeZimmerman.com is back up and running. Zimmerman, the man charged with the second degree murder of  Trayvon Martin has relaunches the web site in hopes of providing his side of the story of what happened that fateful night. Zimmerman also hopes to combat the misrepresentations of a bias media and the rumors and lies of the Internet. I can’t say I do not blame him for wanting to put forth his version of occurrences over a media that appeared to have an agenda from day one. The liberal MSM wanted to portray the shooting as a hate crime from the beginning, even thought there was little evidence pointing to it during the investigation and the law enforcement even stated that Zimmerman was not a racist.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on July 22, 2012, 03:14:16 PM
Civil rights group marches in Sanford, Fla., to honor Trayvon Martin
July 22 '12

The civil rights movement’s anthem "Ain’t Gonna Let Nobody Turn Me ’Round" could be heard from blocks away Saturday as more than 50 members of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference marched in Sanford, Fla.

The group, which was holding its 55th annual convention in nearby Lake Mary, Fla., marched along the brick-lined streets to Sanford City Hall to highlight voter rights and call out for justice in the death of Trayvon Martin, the teenager killed in February by neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman.

 "We did not come here to mourn," said Art Rocker, chairman of the SCLC in Florida, during a passionate, fiery speech. "We’re here to wake up America. We’re here to wake up Florida"
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http://bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/20120722civil_rights_group_marches_in_sanford_fla_to_honor_trayvon_martin


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: kcrn on July 22, 2012, 08:19:16 PM
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Civil rights group marches in Sanford, Fla., to honor Trayvon Martin
July 22 '12

The civil rights movement’s anthem "Ain’t Gonna Let Nobody Turn Me ’Round" could be heard from blocks away Saturday as more than 50 members of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference marched in Sanford, Fla.

The group, which was holding its 55th annual convention in nearby Lake Mary, Fla., marched along the brick-lined streets to Sanford City Hall to highlight voter rights and call out for justice in the death of Trayvon Martin, the teenager killed in February by neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman.

 "We did not come here to mourn," said Art Rocker, chairman of the SCLC in Florida, during a passionate, fiery speech. "We’re here to wake up America. We’re here to wake up Florida"
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http://bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/20120722civil_rights_group_marches_in_sanford_fla_to_honor_trayvon_martin

Wait, what is it exactly that we are being woken up to? Good lord will it never end?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on July 23, 2012, 03:19:31 PM
two words: Duke Lacrosse, Duke Lacrosse Duke Lacrosse

why have we not seen so far ANY evidence from the Prosecution that is is not a stand your ground case?

If GZ does get convicted by the jury, He will most likely win by appeal.

as of now, I still stand with GZ unless the prosecution has hard, cold evidence that this is not a stand your ground case.

and I think the whole "God's Plan" thing has been taken way out of context.

I did not get to watch the interview,...........  is there anywhere in that interview at all where GZ says " It was God's Plan for Trayvon to die'"?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: sailcat on July 23, 2012, 05:42:42 PM
two words: Duke Lacrosse, Duke Lacrosse Duke Lacrosse

why have we not seen so far ANY evidence from the Prosecution that is is not a stand your ground case?

If GZ does get convicted by the jury, He will most likely win by appeal.

as of now, I still stand with GZ unless the prosecution has hard, cold evidence that this is not a stand your ground case.

and I think the whole "God's Plan" thing has been taken way out of context.

I did not get to watch the interview,...........  is there anywhere in that interview at all where GZ says " It was God's Plan for Trayvon to die'"?

SEAN HANNITY, HOST, FOX NEWS' "HANNITY": Is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that time has passed a little bit?

ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. I feel it was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it --

I honestly don't understand how a known liar and accused child molester has been turned into the victim here. He shot and killed an UNARMED kid, for crying out loud!

By the way... I've worked with some pretty hard-core delinquents for the last 30 years - much bigger and badder than Trayvon Martin - and not once have I allowed myself to be sucker-punched and nearly beaten to death by a skinny 17-year-old kid. At the very least, GZ must be the biggest wimp around. Holy cow!

I keep trying to get an answer to this question, but nobody on GZ's side will discuss it: Trayvon Martin obviously felt threatened by George Zimmerman. If Trayvon Martin had actually beaten George Zimmerman to death, should he be exonerated under the Stand Your Ground law?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on July 23, 2012, 06:34:58 PM
two words: Duke Lacrosse, Duke Lacrosse Duke Lacrosse

why have we not seen so far ANY evidence from the Prosecution that is is not a stand your ground case?

If GZ does get convicted by the jury, He will most likely win by appeal.

as of now, I still stand with GZ unless the prosecution has hard, cold evidence that this is not a stand your ground case.

and I think the whole "God's Plan" thing has been taken way out of context.

I did not get to watch the interview,...........  is there anywhere in that interview at all where GZ says " It was God's Plan for Trayvon to die'"?

SEAN HANNITY, HOST, FOX NEWS' "HANNITY": Is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that time has passed a little bit?

ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. I feel it was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it --

I honestly don't understand how a known liar and accused child molester has been turned into the victim here. He shot and killed an UNARMED kid, for crying out loud!

By the way... I've worked with some pretty hard-core delinquents for the last 30 years - much bigger and badder than Trayvon Martin - and not once have I allowed myself to be sucker-punched and nearly beaten to death by a skinny 17-year-old kid. At the very least, GZ must be the biggest wimp around. Holy cow!

I keep trying to get an answer to this question, but nobody on GZ's side will discuss it: Trayvon Martin obviously felt threatened by George Zimmerman. If Trayvon Martin had actually beaten George Zimmerman to death, should he be exonerated under the Stand Your Ground law?


With respect...It's my understanding that no, stand-your-ground would not apply to TM, IF it is true that TM doubled back to confront GZ, that TM was almost home then decided to do an about face, sad that he didn't continue home and into the house.

Sucker-punched is just that..glad it has never happened to you, did anyone ever make an attempt?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: kcrn on July 23, 2012, 07:12:00 PM
two words: Duke Lacrosse, Duke Lacrosse Duke Lacrosse

why have we not seen so far ANY evidence from the PgTrosecution that is is not a stand your ground case?

If GZ does get convicted by the jury, He will most likely win by appeal.

as of now, I still stand with GZ unless the prosecution has hard, cold evidence that this is not a stand your ground case.

and I think the whole "God's Plan" thing has been taken way out of context.

I did not get to watch the interview,...........  is there anywhere in that interview at all where GZ says " It was God's Plan for Trayvon to die'"?

SEAN HANNITY, HOST, FOX NEWS' "HANNITY": Is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that time has passed a little bit?

ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. I feel it was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it --

I honestly don't understand how a known liar and accused child molester has been turned into the victim here. He shot and killed an UNARMED kid, for crying out loud!

By the way... I've worked with some pretty hard-core delinquents for the last 30 years - much bigger and badder than Trayvon Martin - and not once have I allowed myself to be sucker-punched and nearly beaten to death by a skinny 17-year-old kid. At the very least, GZ must be the biggest wimp around. Holy cow!

I keep trying to get an answer to this question, but nobody on GZ's side will discuss it: Trayvon Martin obviously felt threatened by George Zimmerman. If Trayvon Martin had actually beaten George Zimmerman to death, should he be exonerated under the Stand Your Ground law?


With respect...It's my understanding that no, stand-your-ground would not apply to TM, IF it is true that TM doubled back to confront GZ, that TM was almost home then decided to do an about face, sad that he didn't continue home and into the house.

Sucker-punched is just that..glad it has never happened to you, did anyone ever make an attempt?

ACCUSED child molester. & lets not try to make it seem like it was a child accusing an adult. He was a child & she was a child. Funny how she jumped right in the middle of a high profile case to actually bring this out too. Maybe GZ is a wimp. Seems to me like tm may have been getting the best of him, hebce the gunshot. U cant judge strength in size either. I know some seemingly scrawny guys who can hold their own against any big guy.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: kcrn on July 23, 2012, 07:15:59 PM
two words: Duke Lacrosse, Duke Lacrosse Duke Lacrosse

why have we not seen so far ANY evidence from the PgTrosecution that is is not a stand your ground case?

If GZ does get convicted by the jury, He will most likely win by appeal.

as of now, I still stand with GZ unless the prosecution has hard, cold evidence that this is not a stand your ground case.

and I think the whole "God's Plan" thing has been taken way out of context.

I did not get to watch the interview,...........  is there anywhere in that interview at all where GZ says " It was God's Plan for Trayvon to die'"?

SEAN HANNITY, HOST, FOX NEWS' "HANNITY": Is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that time has passed a little bit?

ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. I feel it was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it --

I honestly don't understand how a known liar and accused child molester has been turned into the victim here. He shot and killed an UNARMED kid, for crying out loud!

By the way... I've worked with some pretty hard-core delinquents for the last 30 years - much bigger and badder than Trayvon Martin - and not once have I allowed myself to be sucker-punched and nearly beaten to death by a skinny 17-year-old kid. At the very least, GZ must be the biggest wimp around. Holy cow!

I keep trying to get an answer to this question, but nobody on GZ's side will discuss it: Trayvon Martin obviously felt threatened by George Zimmerman. If Trayvon Martin had actually beaten George Zimmerman to death, should he be exonerated under the Stand Your Ground law?


With respect...It's my understanding that no, stand-your-ground would not apply to TM, IF it is true that TM doubled back to confront GZ, that TM was almost home then decided to do an about face, sad that he didn't continue home and into the house.

Sucker-punched is just that..glad it has never happened to you, did anyone ever make an attempt?

ACCUSED child molester. & lets not try to make it seem like it was a child accusing an adult. He was a child & she was a child. Funny how she jumped right in the middle of a high profile case to actually bring this out too. Maybe GZ is a wimp. Seems to me like tm may have been getting the best of him, hebce the gunshot. U cant judge strength in size either. I know some seemingly scrawny guys who can hold their own against any big guy.
Btw, how exactly is one supposed to be able to ascertain whether or not someone is armed or not? Baggy clothes can hide quite a bit imo.everyone seems so certain that gz had to have known he was unarmed.,how exactly would he know that?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: sailcat on July 23, 2012, 07:26:45 PM
two words: Duke Lacrosse, Duke Lacrosse Duke Lacrosse

why have we not seen so far ANY evidence from the Prosecution that is is not a stand your ground case?

If GZ does get convicted by the jury, He will most likely win by appeal.

as of now, I still stand with GZ unless the prosecution has hard, cold evidence that this is not a stand your ground case.

and I think the whole "God's Plan" thing has been taken way out of context.

I did not get to watch the interview,...........  is there anywhere in that interview at all where GZ says " It was God's Plan for Trayvon to die'"?

SEAN HANNITY, HOST, FOX NEWS' "HANNITY": Is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that time has passed a little bit?

ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. I feel it was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it --

I honestly don't understand how a known liar and accused child molester has been turned into the victim here. He shot and killed an UNARMED kid, for crying out loud!

By the way... I've worked with some pretty hard-core delinquents for the last 30 years - much bigger and badder than Trayvon Martin - and not once have I allowed myself to be sucker-punched and nearly beaten to death by a skinny 17-year-old kid. At the very least, GZ must be the biggest wimp around. Holy cow!

I keep trying to get an answer to this question, but nobody on GZ's side will discuss it: Trayvon Martin obviously felt threatened by George Zimmerman. If Trayvon Martin had actually beaten George Zimmerman to death, should he be exonerated under the Stand Your Ground law?


With respect...It's my understanding that no, stand-your-ground would not apply to TM, IF it is true that TM doubled back to confront GZ, that TM was almost home then decided to do an about face, sad that he didn't continue home and into the house.

Sucker-punched is just that..glad it has never happened to you, did anyone ever make an attempt?


I understand what you're saying about TM doubling back and perhaps that would negate the SYG provision. On the other hand, if George Zimmerman had not been so overzealous, the situation would never have escalated to the point of a physical altercation.

In answer to your question, no. I've been involved in quite a few physical restraints, but they were rarely because of aggression toward staff and never directly toward me. But based on my experience with those restraints over the years, I have a hard time believing that George Zimmerman could have been overpowered by Trayvon Martin.

I think it's much more likely that George Zimmerman was the aggressor from start to finish. I spent several years working with sex offenders, and IF his younger cousin's stories are true, then you can't believe a word coming out of GZ's mouth.

As far as his self-serving comment about God's plan, the quote - sometimes attributed to Andy Rooney and sometimes to Robert Ingersoll - comes to mind: "Religion is the last refuge of a scoundrel."


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: sailcat on July 23, 2012, 07:33:11 PM
two words: Duke Lacrosse, Duke Lacrosse Duke Lacrosse

why have we not seen so far ANY evidence from the PgTrosecution that is is not a stand your ground case?

If GZ does get convicted by the jury, He will most likely win by appeal.

as of now, I still stand with GZ unless the prosecution has hard, cold evidence that this is not a stand your ground case.

and I think the whole "God's Plan" thing has been taken way out of context.

I did not get to watch the interview,...........  is there anywhere in that interview at all where GZ says " It was God's Plan for Trayvon to die'"?

SEAN HANNITY, HOST, FOX NEWS' "HANNITY": Is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that time has passed a little bit?

ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. I feel it was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it --

I honestly don't understand how a known liar and accused child molester has been turned into the victim here. He shot and killed an UNARMED kid, for crying out loud!

By the way... I've worked with some pretty hard-core delinquents for the last 30 years - much bigger and badder than Trayvon Martin - and not once have I allowed myself to be sucker-punched and nearly beaten to death by a skinny 17-year-old kid. At the very least, GZ must be the biggest wimp around. Holy cow!

I keep trying to get an answer to this question, but nobody on GZ's side will discuss it: Trayvon Martin obviously felt threatened by George Zimmerman. If Trayvon Martin had actually beaten George Zimmerman to death, should he be exonerated under the Stand Your Ground law?


With respect...It's my understanding that no, stand-your-ground would not apply to TM, IF it is true that TM doubled back to confront GZ, that TM was almost home then decided to do an about face, sad that he didn't continue home and into the house.

Sucker-punched is just that..glad it has never happened to you, did anyone ever make an attempt?

ACCUSED child molester. & lets not try to make it seem like it was a child accusing an adult. He was a child & she was a child. Funny how she jumped right in the middle of a high profile case to actually bring this out too. Maybe GZ is a wimp. Seems to me like tm may have been getting the best of him, hebce the gunshot. U cant judge strength in size either. I know some seemingly scrawny guys who can hold their own against any big guy.
Btw, how exactly is one supposed to be able to ascertain whether or not someone is armed or not? Baggy clothes can hide quite a bit imo.everyone seems so certain that gz had to have known he was unarmed.,how exactly would he know that?
BBM Good point. All the more reason to have followed the dispatcher's instructions and waited in his vehicle for law enforcement officers to arrive.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: kcrn on July 23, 2012, 07:39:28 PM
 ::MonkeyBike:: You
two words: Duke Lacrosse, Duke Lacrosse Duke Lacrosse

why have we not seen so far ANY evidence from the PgTrosecution that is is not a stand your ground case?

If GZ does get convicted by the jury, He will most likely win by appeal.

as of now, I still stand with GZ unless the prosecution has hard, cold evidence that this is not a stand your ground case.

and I think the whole "God's Plan" thing has been taken way out of context.

I did not get to watch the interview,...........  is there anywhere in that interview at all where GZ says " It was God's Plan for Trayvon to die'"?

SEAN HANNITY, HOST, FOX NEWS' "HANNITY": Is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that time has passed a little bit?

ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. I feel it was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it --

I honestly don't understand how a known liar and accused child molester has been turned into the victim here. He shot and killed an UNARMED kid, for crying out loud!

By the way... I've worked with some pretty hard-core delinquents for the last 30 years - much bigger and badder than Trayvon Martin - and not once have I allowed myself to be sucker-punched and nearly beaten to death by a skinny 17-year-old kid. At the very least, GZ must be the biggest wimp around. Holy cow!

I keep trying to get an answer to this question, but nobody on GZ's side will discuss it: Trayvon Martin obviously felt threatened by George Zimmerman. If Trayvon Martin had actually beaten George Zimmerman to death, should he be exonerated under the Stand Your Ground law?


With respect...It's my understanding that no, stand-your-ground would not apply to TM, IF it is true that TM doubled back to confront GZ, that TM was almost home then decided to do an about face, sad that he didn't continue home and into the house.

Sucker-punched is just that..glad it has never happened to you, did anyone ever make an attempt?

ACCUSED child molester. & lets not try to make it seem like it was a child accusing an adult. He was a child & she was a child. Funny how she jumped right in the middle of a high profile case to actually bring this out too. Maybe GZ is a wimp. Seems to me like tm may have been getting the best of him, hebce the gunshot. U cant judge strength in size either. I know some seemingly scrawny guys who can hold their own against any big guy.
Btw, how exactly is one supposed to be able to ascertain whether or not someone is armed or not? Baggy clothes can hide quite a bit imo.everyone seems so certain that gz had to have known he was unarmed.,how exactly would he know that?
BBM Good point. All the more reason to have followed the dispatcher's instructions and waited in his vehicle for law enforcement officers to arrive.
Hindsight is 20/20. Maybe he should have. & maybe trayvon would be akive if he had continued on home.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Stacey on July 23, 2012, 08:43:27 PM
 
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Hindsight is 20/20. Maybe he should have. & maybe trayvon would be akive if he had continued on home.
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Also with respect....If this statement was true. Then know one that didn't carry a gun could not and should not go outside their own homes to do things as innocently as walking to the store for candy and a drink.  Because you should know that people with guns may think you don't look right and on drugs. If you get shot you have caused your own death for leaving your home. IMOO


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on July 23, 2012, 09:00:52 PM

Hindsight is 20/20. Maybe he should have. & maybe trayvon would be akive if he had continued on home.
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Also with respect....If this statement was true. Then know one that didn't carry a gun could not and should not go outside their own homes to do things as innocently as walking to the store for candy and a drink.  Because you should know that people with guns may think you don't look right and on drugs. If you get shot you have caused your own death for leaving your home. IMOO
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Thanks for your response...but I didn't post that, somehow or other the posts got muddled.
   :smt102
My disgust is for the media and race-baiters.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Bongosmom on July 23, 2012, 10:14:00 PM
two words: Duke Lacrosse, Duke Lacrosse Duke Lacrosse

why have we not seen so far ANY evidence from the Prosecution that is is not a stand your ground case?

If GZ does get convicted by the jury, He will most likely win by appeal.

as of now, I still stand with GZ unless the prosecution has hard, cold evidence that this is not a stand your ground case.

and I think the whole "God's Plan" thing has been taken way out of context.

I did not get to watch the interview,...........  is there anywhere in that interview at all where GZ says " It was God's Plan for Trayvon to die'"?

SEAN HANNITY, HOST, FOX NEWS' "HANNITY": Is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that time has passed a little bit?

ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. I feel it was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it --

I honestly don't understand how a known liar and accused child molester has been turned into the victim here. He shot and killed an UNARMED kid, for crying out loud!

By the way... I've worked with some pretty hard-core delinquents for the last 30 years - much bigger and badder than Trayvon Martin - and not once have I allowed myself to be sucker-punched and nearly beaten to death by a skinny 17-year-old kid. At the very least, GZ must be the biggest wimp around. Holy cow!

I keep trying to get an answer to this question, but nobody on GZ's side will discuss it: Trayvon Martin obviously felt threatened by George Zimmerman. If Trayvon Martin had actually beaten George Zimmerman to death, should he be exonerated under the Stand Your Ground law?


With respect...It's my understanding that no, stand-your-ground would not apply to TM, IF it is true that TM doubled back to confront GZ, that TM was almost home then decided to do an about face, sad that he didn't continue home and into the house.

Sucker-punched is just that..glad it has never happened to you, did anyone ever make an attempt?

BBM...SYG would have applied to TM; that is what the SYG is all about. Prior to SYG, an individual, if they felt threatened, had a duty to get to safety (if a safe area was available). In other words, if I was standing outside my front door, and I saw a stranger approaching in a threatening manner, I would be expected to get inside my house and call 911. The SYG laws changed this - under the same scenario, I would not have a duty to seek safety, but would instead be allowed to "stand my ground" - and if the threatening stranger got close enough, and I feared for my life (either reasonably or unreasonably) I could legally shoot him. So my point is, it didn't matter how close TM was to his house as to whether SYG would work for him or not - SYG eliminated the logic of getting to safety. That is why many people are against SYG - here in Florida, we've always had the right to shoot someone if we were in danger and could not get away. With SYG, people don't have to bother getting to safety and avoiding an altercation; they can just shoot away.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: labubske on July 23, 2012, 10:24:30 PM
two words: Duke Lacrosse, Duke Lacrosse Duke Lacrosse

why have we not seen so far ANY evidence from the PgTrosecution that is is not a stand your ground case?

If GZ does get convicted by the jury, He will most likely win by appeal.

as of now, I still stand with GZ unless the prosecution has hard, cold evidence that this is not a stand your ground case.

and I think the whole "God's Plan" thing has been taken way out of context.

I did not get to watch the interview,...........  is there anywhere in that interview at all where GZ says " It was God's Plan for Trayvon to die'"?

SEAN HANNITY, HOST, FOX NEWS' "HANNITY": Is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that time has passed a little bit?

ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. I feel it was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it --

I honestly don't understand how a known liar and accused child molester has been turned into the victim here. He shot and killed an UNARMED kid, for crying out loud!

By the way... I've worked with some pretty hard-core delinquents for the last 30 years - much bigger and badder than Trayvon Martin - and not once have I allowed myself to be sucker-punched and nearly beaten to death by a skinny 17-year-old kid. At the very least, GZ must be the biggest wimp around. Holy cow!

I keep trying to get an answer to this question, but nobody on GZ's side will discuss it: Trayvon Martin obviously felt threatened by George Zimmerman. If Trayvon Martin had actually beaten George Zimmerman to death, should he be exonerated under the Stand Your Ground law?


With respect...It's my understanding that no, stand-your-ground would not apply to TM, IF it is true that TM doubled back to confront GZ, that TM was almost home then decided to do an about face, sad that he didn't continue home and into the house.

Sucker-punched is just that..glad it has never happened to you, did anyone ever make an attempt?

ACCUSED child molester. & lets not try to make it seem like it was a child accusing an adult. He was a child & she was a child. Funny how she jumped right in the middle of a high profile case to actually bring this out too. Maybe GZ is a wimp. Seems to me like tm may have been getting the best of him, hebce the gunshot. U cant judge strength in size either. I know some seemingly scrawny guys who can hold their own against any big guy.
Btw, how exactly is one supposed to be able to ascertain whether or not someone is armed or not? Baggy clothes can hide quite a bit imo.everyone seems so certain that gz had to have known he was unarmed.,how exactly would he know that?
BBM Good point. All the more reason to have followed the dispatcher's instructions and waited in his vehicle for law enforcement officers to arrive.

For the life of me...I have not found where GZ did NOT go back to his vehicle.  Where is that again?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on July 23, 2012, 10:28:13 PM
two words: Duke Lacrosse, Duke Lacrosse Duke Lacrosse

why have we not seen so far ANY evidence from the Prosecution that is is not a stand your ground case?

If GZ does get convicted by the jury, He will most likely win by appeal.

as of now, I still stand with GZ unless the prosecution has hard, cold evidence that this is not a stand your ground case.

and I think the whole "God's Plan" thing has been taken way out of context.

I did not get to watch the interview,...........  is there anywhere in that interview at all where GZ says " It was God's Plan for Trayvon to die'"?

SEAN HANNITY, HOST, FOX NEWS' "HANNITY": Is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that time has passed a little bit?

ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. I feel it was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it --

I honestly don't understand how a known liar and accused child molester has been turned into the victim here. He shot and killed an UNARMED kid, for crying out loud!

By the way... I've worked with some pretty hard-core delinquents for the last 30 years - much bigger and badder than Trayvon Martin - and not once have I allowed myself to be sucker-punched and nearly beaten to death by a skinny 17-year-old kid. At the very least, GZ must be the biggest wimp around. Holy cow!

I keep trying to get an answer to this question, but nobody on GZ's side will discuss it: Trayvon Martin obviously felt threatened by George Zimmerman. If Trayvon Martin had actually beaten George Zimmerman to death, should he be exonerated under the Stand Your Ground law?


With respect...It's my understanding that no, stand-your-ground would not apply to TM, IF it is true that TM doubled back to confront GZ, that TM was almost home then decided to do an about face, sad that he didn't continue home and into the house.

Sucker-punched is just that..glad it has never happened to you, did anyone ever make an attempt?

BBM...SYG would have applied to TM; that is what the SYG is all about. Prior to SYG, an individual, if they felt threatened, had a duty to get to safety (if a safe area was available). In other words, if I was standing outside my front door, and I saw a stranger approaching in a threatening manner, I would be expected to get inside my house and call 911. The SYG laws changed this - under the same scenario, I would not have a duty to seek safety, but would instead be allowed to "stand my ground" - and if the threatening stranger got close enough, and I feared for my life (either reasonably or unreasonably) I could legally shoot him. So my point is, it didn't matter how close TM was to his house as to whether SYG would work for him or not - SYG eliminated the logic of getting to safety. That is why many people are against SYG - here in Florida, we've always had the right to shoot someone if we were in danger and could not get away. With SYG, people don't have to bother getting to safety and avoiding an altercation; they can just shoot away.

But it wasn't a matter of a threatening stranger 'getting close enough'. Martin wasn't even within sight of Zimmerman for a while, until Martin backtracked some distance and attacked him...according to Zimmerman. Doesn't sound like SYG to me.
...and your name and avi make me smile,  ::MonkeyWink:: 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: labubske on July 23, 2012, 10:29:25 PM
Speaking for myself...I have not taken a side here...I am waiting on the facts.  Which I didn't realize ANYONE had.  I am sick of the racism though.  I, too work with criminals...and with psychotic people and I know how easy it could be to get sucker punched...it has happened to staff.  They are by no means wimps either.  Sucker punched by scrawny...by big...by girls...by adolescents...I have seen it all.  It happens.  If they are not paying attention. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on July 23, 2012, 10:38:15 PM
My disgust is with the eerily soft spoken proven liar who drives a fab pick up yet can't pay his bills and needs free handouts from the public because he's too askeered for either he or his wife to get a job.  Oh, and he shot a kid and feels it was God's plan for him to do so. 

I just do not understand how anyone can believe what he says.  I watched the video of his reenactment and IMO it is so obvious he's lying.

Plus, talk about milking the system!  He wouldn't talk to Barbara Walters without her paying a month's worth of a hotel stay??  I LOL'd when he tried to call into her show the next morning and she refused to have him on air.

 ::snipping2::George Zimmerman, the man who fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has started a website "to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries." ::snipping2::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57411603/george-zimmerman-seeks-donations-on-his-new-website/

Blech!!  He wants to give his supporters his "full attention"... in exchange for more money.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

The truth becomes clearer with each passing day and GZ is going to be his own undoing.  I only hope he keeps on talking.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on July 23, 2012, 11:11:49 PM
Toler, I realized my post might be offensive.  I didn't mean for it to be that way.  You have every right to be disgusted about this turning into a race issue, especially if you percieve it not to be about race at all.   ::piggy::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on July 23, 2012, 11:34:09 PM
Video of Zimmerman interview on Fox at link

http://blogs.lawyers.com/2012/07/zimmerman-interview-on-fox-starts-media-storm/

Zimmerman Interview on Fox Starts Media Storm
Posted July 23, 2012

 ::snipping2::
Regrets? Oh Yeah, Those…
 
Money matters aside, Zimmerman makes a good witness – that much was clear. His only real misstep came when Hannity asked if he regretted anything about the night he shot Martin in what he says was a life or death struggle. “No, sir,” Zimmerman responded to Hannity’s line of questions including whether he regretted getting out of the car to follow Martin, carrying a gun, or anything else about that night. “I feel it was all God’s plan.”

At the end of the interview, when Hannity asked if there was anything Zimmerman wanted to say to the American public, he took the opportunity to correct himself, saying:
 
First, I would like to readdress your question when you asked if I would have done anything differently. When you asked that, I thought you were referring to if I would not have talked to the police, if I would have maybe have gotten an attorney, if I wouldn’t have taken the CVSA and that I stand by, I would not have done anything differently.
 
But I do wish that there was something, anything I could have done that wouldn’t have put me in the position where I had to take his life. And I do want to tell everyone, my wife, my family, my parents, my grandmother, the Martins, the city of Stanford, and America that I am sorry that this happened.
 
I hate to think that because of this incident, because of my actions, it’s polarized and divided America, and I’m truly sorry.
 
The media storm came fast and furious, regardless. Jonathan Capahart, in an opinion piece for a Washington Post blog, said Zimmerman should “regret” the interview. Many jumped on his “God’s plan” comment, and Martin’s parents went on NBC’s Today Show afterwards to call his interview “ridiculous” and to say they had no interest in taking him up on his offer to talk.
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Annette Kelly3 hours ago

He's not the angry guy the media described. I think the interview was a net gain in his public profile and I thought the retelling in this interview was consistent with his prior statements to police. The God's plan headlines were taken out of text and Sybrina Fulton herself has used God to explain the situation she finds herself in. "It's so easy for me to cry right now, but I can't because I have work to do," she told the congregation. "I was forced into this position, but I believe God is using me." Sybrina Fulton
 "But now I know that God has called Trayvon. He was chosen." Sybrina Fulton
"God is in control." Sybrina Fulton


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on July 23, 2012, 11:38:28 PM
Toler, I realized my post might be offensive.  I didn't mean for it to be that way.  You have every right to be disgusted about this turning into a race issue, especially if you percieve it not to be about race at all.   ::piggy::

Well, yeah. It's easily obvious that you hold strong beliefs....and do well at presenting them.
Just in case you have a change of heart here's a link to GZs new website so you can then donate it you wish.
http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com/   ::MonkeyWink:: 

Point is it's all about race now isn't it? Ever since the Justus brothers, Al and Jessie and now Ben Crump came on the scene, just as they meant it to be.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 23, 2012, 11:42:52 PM
My disgust is with the eerily soft spoken proven liar who drives a fab pick up yet can't pay his bills and needs free handouts from the public because he's too askeered for either he or his wife to get a job.  Oh, and he shot a kid and feels it was God's plan for him to do so. 

I just do not understand how anyone can believe what he says.  I watched the video of his reenactment and IMO it is so obvious he's lying.

Plus, talk about milking the system!  He wouldn't talk to Barbara Walters without her paying a month's worth of a hotel stay??  I LOL'd when he tried to call into her show the next morning and she refused to have him on air.

 ::snipping2::George Zimmerman, the man who fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has started a website "to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries." ::snipping2::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57411603/george-zimmerman-seeks-donations-on-his-new-website/

Blech!!  He wants to give his supporters his "full attention"... in exchange for more money.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

The truth becomes clearer with each passing day and GZ is going to be his own undoing.  I only hope he keeps on talking.



Amy's Sister, I don't believe George Zimmerman or his wife should risk getting a job at this time, considering the death threats they've received.  They are staying at a safe house for good reason in my opinion.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: labubske on July 23, 2012, 11:44:09 PM
My disgust is with the eerily soft spoken proven liar who drives a fab pick up yet can't pay his bills and needs free handouts from the public because he's too askeered for either he or his wife to get a job.  Oh, and he shot a kid and feels it was God's plan for him to do so. 

I just do not understand how anyone can believe what he says.  I watched the video of his reenactment and IMO it is so obvious he's lying.

Plus, talk about milking the system!  He wouldn't talk to Barbara Walters without her paying a month's worth of a hotel stay??  I LOL'd when he tried to call into her show the next morning and she refused to have him on air.

 ::snipping2::George Zimmerman, the man who fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has started a website "to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries." ::snipping2::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57411603/george-zimmerman-seeks-donations-on-his-new-website/

Blech!!  He wants to give his supporters his "full attention"... in exchange for more money.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

The truth becomes clearer with each passing day and GZ is going to be his own undoing.  I only hope he keeps on talking.



Unfortunately, we have made this type of behavior okay.  America watches this stuff and that is how he is going to pay for his defense.  Just like Casey Anthony.  We are guilty of that.  Unless of course you watch absolutely none of it and boycott the stations and media that allow this.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: labubske on July 23, 2012, 11:44:55 PM
My disgust is with the eerily soft spoken proven liar who drives a fab pick up yet can't pay his bills and needs free handouts from the public because he's too askeered for either he or his wife to get a job.  Oh, and he shot a kid and feels it was God's plan for him to do so. 

I just do not understand how anyone can believe what he says.  I watched the video of his reenactment and IMO it is so obvious he's lying.

Plus, talk about milking the system!  He wouldn't talk to Barbara Walters without her paying a month's worth of a hotel stay??  I LOL'd when he tried to call into her show the next morning and she refused to have him on air.

 ::snipping2::George Zimmerman, the man who fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has started a website "to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries." ::snipping2::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57411603/george-zimmerman-seeks-donations-on-his-new-website/

Blech!!  He wants to give his supporters his "full attention"... in exchange for more money.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

The truth becomes clearer with each passing day and GZ is going to be his own undoing.  I only hope he keeps on talking.



Amy's Sister, I don't believe George Zimmerman or his wife should risk getting a job at this time, considering the death threats they've received.  They are staying at a safe house for good reason in my opinion.



I absolutely agree. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 23, 2012, 11:46:13 PM
Not directed to anyone in particular, just a reminder...

I hope this thread can continue to stay open and dialog and discussion can continue in a reasonable manner.  I realize this case brings a lot of emotions and there are going to be varying opinions, especially since the case has not gone to trial yet. It's possible to express an opinion without offending others with a differing opinion.  I would encourage those with strong feelings particularly in threads like this one with hot button issues to think before they hit "post".  JMHO  ::bee::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: kcrn on July 23, 2012, 11:50:21 PM

Hindsight is 20/20. Maybe he should have. & maybe trayvon would be akive if he had continued on home.
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Also with respect....If this statement was true. Then know one that didn't carry a gun could not and should not go outside their own homes to do things as innocently as walking to the store for candy and a drink.  Because you should know that people with guns may think you don't look right and on drugs. If you get shot you have caused your own death for leaving your home. IMOO
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With all due respect to you, that is completely assanine & not even remotely what I meant. My point was that gz should not have pursued tm, IF he did, but I think there is pretty good evidence to suggest that tm may have confronted gz for following him. I leave my home every day without a gun. I dont own a gun. I would never own a gun with children in my home. I dont think I implied in ANY way that tm caused his own death by going to the store for a drink without a gun. Come on. This case has alot of what ifs & NONE of us know what really happened. I just strongly believe, as is my right, that both parties were to blame here & I dont think anything about this case sounds racially motivated. That is my biggest problem with this case. What proof is there of racism that we needed a civil rights uproar?  Gz may spend some time in jail for this & maybe he should. I dont know that at this point. I do know im sick to death of seeing this kid & his family immortalized as some kind of martin luther king, rosa parks figures. Ive sait it before & I will say it again, these parents are riding a gravy train til the wheels fall off & with no grounds to do so.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: labubske on July 23, 2012, 11:52:00 PM
Not directed to anyone in particular, just a reminder...

I hope this thread can continue to stay open and dialog and discussion can continue in a reasonable manner.  I realize this case brings a lot of emotions and there are going to be varying opinions, especially since the case has not gone to trial yet. It's possible to express an opinion without offending others with a differing opinion.  I would encourage those with strong feelings particularly in threads like this one with hot button issues to think before they hit "post".  JMHO  ::bee::

Thanks Muffy...my stomach always gets into knots when I open this particular thread.  I don't know why I keep opening it.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 23, 2012, 11:57:08 PM
Not directed to anyone in particular, just a reminder...

I hope this thread can continue to stay open and dialog and discussion can continue in a reasonable manner.  I realize this case brings a lot of emotions and there are going to be varying opinions, especially since the case has not gone to trial yet. It's possible to express an opinion without offending others with a differing opinion.  I would encourage those with strong feelings particularly in threads like this one with hot button issues to think before they hit "post".  JMHO  ::bee::

Thanks Muffy...my stomach always gets into knots when I open this particular thread.  I don't know why I keep opening it.

I totally understand labubske, and hope I can take my own advice.   ::MonkeyWink:: 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: kcrn on July 24, 2012, 12:02:01 AM
My disgust is with the eerily soft spoken proven liar who drives a fab pick up yet can't pay his bills and needs free handouts from the public because he's too askeered for either he or his wife to get a job.  Oh, and he shot a kid and feels it was God's plan for him to do so. 

I just do not understand how anyone can believe what he says.  I watched the video of his reenactment and IMO it is so obvious he's lying.

Plus, talk about milking the system!  He wouldn't talk to Barbara Walters without her paying a month's worth of a hotel stay??  I LOL'd when he tried to call into her show the next morning and she refused to have him on air.

 ::snipping2::George Zimmerman, the man who fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has started a website "to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries." ::snipping2::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57411603/george-zimmerman-seeks-donations-on-his-new-website/

Blech!!  He wants to give his supporters his "full attention"... in exchange for more money.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

The truth becomes clearer with each passing day and GZ is going to be his own undoing.  I only hope he keeps on talking.



Amy's Sister, I don't believe George Zimmerman or his wife should risk getting a job at this time, considering the death threats they've received.  They are staying at a safe house for good reason in my opinion.



I absolutely agree. 
Might be difficult for them to get a job at this point, nevermind the fact that with death threats they might just be "askeered" to leave their home. Cant imagine why. I cant imagine for the life of me how anyone could possibly think these people are going to somehow live the high life with these donations. How much do u think this defense will cost? Thats not even figuring how much money it costs to simply have a safe place to live & food to eat. Somehow I doubt theyre eating steak & lobster & wearing armani.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on July 24, 2012, 12:21:33 AM
My disgust is with the eerily soft spoken proven liar who drives a fab pick up yet can't pay his bills and needs free handouts from the public because he's too askeered for either he or his wife to get a job.  Oh, and he shot a kid and feels it was God's plan for him to do so. 

I just do not understand how anyone can believe what he says.  I watched the video of his reenactment and IMO it is so obvious he's lying.

Plus, talk about milking the system!  He wouldn't talk to Barbara Walters without her paying a month's worth of a hotel stay??  I LOL'd when he tried to call into her show the next morning and she refused to have him on air.

 ::snipping2::George Zimmerman, the man who fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has started a website "to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries." ::snipping2::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57411603/george-zimmerman-seeks-donations-on-his-new-website/

Blech!!  He wants to give his supporters his "full attention"... in exchange for more money.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

The truth becomes clearer with each passing day and GZ is going to be his own undoing.  I only hope he keeps on talking.



Unfortunately, we have made this type of behavior okay.  America watches this stuff and that is how he is going to pay for his defense.  Just like Casey Anthony.  We are guilty of that.  Unless of course you watch absolutely none of it and boycott the stations and media that allow this.

Equal Justice for All....if you can afford it. What option does Zimmerman have? On top of that no job, having to pay for security because of death threats and a safe house. 



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Bongosmom on July 24, 2012, 12:28:31 AM
two words: Duke Lacrosse, Duke Lacrosse Duke Lacrosse

why have we not seen so far ANY evidence from the Prosecution that is is not a stand your ground case?

If GZ does get convicted by the jury, He will most likely win by appeal.

as of now, I still stand with GZ unless the prosecution has hard, cold evidence that this is not a stand your ground case.

and I think the whole "God's Plan" thing has been taken way out of context.

I did not get to watch the interview,...........  is there anywhere in that interview at all where GZ says " It was God's Plan for Trayvon to die'"?

SEAN HANNITY, HOST, FOX NEWS' "HANNITY": Is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that time has passed a little bit?

ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. I feel it was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it --

I honestly don't understand how a known liar and accused child molester has been turned into the victim here. He shot and killed an UNARMED kid, for crying out loud!

By the way... I've worked with some pretty hard-core delinquents for the last 30 years - much bigger and badder than Trayvon Martin - and not once have I allowed myself to be sucker-punched and nearly beaten to death by a skinny 17-year-old kid. At the very least, GZ must be the biggest wimp around. Holy cow!

I keep trying to get an answer to this question, but nobody on GZ's side will discuss it: Trayvon Martin obviously felt threatened by George Zimmerman. If Trayvon Martin had actually beaten George Zimmerman to death, should he be exonerated under the Stand Your Ground law?


With respect...It's my understanding that no, stand-your-ground would not apply to TM, IF it is true that TM doubled back to confront GZ, that TM was almost home then decided to do an about face, sad that he didn't continue home and into the house.

Sucker-punched is just that..glad it has never happened to you, did anyone ever make an attempt?

BBM...SYG would have applied to TM; that is what the SYG is all about. Prior to SYG, an individual, if they felt threatened, had a duty to get to safety (if a safe area was available). In other words, if I was standing outside my front door, and I saw a stranger approaching in a threatening manner, I would be expected to get inside my house and call 911. The SYG laws changed this - under the same scenario, I would not have a duty to seek safety, but would instead be allowed to "stand my ground" - and if the threatening stranger got close enough, and I feared for my life (either reasonably or unreasonably) I could legally shoot him. So my point is, it didn't matter how close TM was to his house as to whether SYG would work for him or not - SYG eliminated the logic of getting to safety. That is why many people are against SYG - here in Florida, we've always had the right to shoot someone if we were in danger and could not get away. With SYG, people don't have to bother getting to safety and avoiding an altercation; they can just shoot away.

But it wasn't a matter of a threatening stranger 'getting close enough'. Martin wasn't even within sight of Zimmerman for a while, until Martin backtracked some distance and attacked him...according to Zimmerman. Doesn't sound like SYG to me.
...and your name and avi make me smile,  ::MonkeyWink:: 
I was speaking hypothetically, and mainly to the statements I have read to the effect of "if only he'd kept walking home." The SYG laws take away any duty or expectation for TM to have kept walking home - he had the right to stop and confront his (perceived) pursuer. As for TM to have doubled back, I'm staying out of that one until the trial shows some evidence one way or the other. For TM to have doubled back to follow a (perceived) threat is the same as GZ following a (perceived) threat; all we have right now is one side's word against the other. I think it will take the trial (if even then) to find out who was following who. But I think the original poster's question is still valid, as a hypothetical: If, in fact, GZ had not walked back to his car but was still in pursuit of TM, caught up with him and confronted him, would TM have then been protected by the SYG law if he had killed GZ in the resultant scuffle? And the answer is...probably.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Bongosmom on July 24, 2012, 12:41:29 AM
My disgust is with the eerily soft spoken proven liar who drives a fab pick up yet can't pay his bills and needs free handouts from the public because he's too askeered for either he or his wife to get a job.  Oh, and he shot a kid and feels it was God's plan for him to do so. 

I just do not understand how anyone can believe what he says.  I watched the video of his reenactment and IMO it is so obvious he's lying.

Plus, talk about milking the system!  He wouldn't talk to Barbara Walters without her paying a month's worth of a hotel stay??  I LOL'd when he tried to call into her show the next morning and she refused to have him on air.

 ::snipping2::George Zimmerman, the man who fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has started a website "to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries." ::snipping2::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57411603/george-zimmerman-seeks-donations-on-his-new-website/

Blech!!  He wants to give his supporters his "full attention"... in exchange for more money.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

The truth becomes clearer with each passing day and GZ is going to be his own undoing.  I only hope he keeps on talking.



Amy's Sister, I don't believe George Zimmerman or his wife should risk getting a job at this time, considering the death threats they've received.  They are staying at a safe house for good reason in my opinion.



I absolutely agree. 
Might be difficult for them to get a job at this point, nevermind the fact that with death threats they might just be "askeered" to leave their home. Cant imagine why. I cant imagine for the life of me how anyone could possibly think these people are going to somehow live the high life with these donations. How much do u think this defense will cost? Thats not even figuring how much money it costs to simply have a safe place to live & food to eat. Somehow I doubt theyre eating steak & lobster & wearing armani.
I don't know...according to the documents he spent $1305 on food for the 18 days he was out. Maybe not lobster, but that kind of food budget could definitely buy some steak. I tried to post the link but it gave me a ridiculously long url; sorry!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on July 24, 2012, 12:50:49 AM
two words: Duke Lacrosse, Duke Lacrosse Duke Lacrosse

why have we not seen so far ANY evidence from the Prosecution that is is not a stand your ground case?

If GZ does get convicted by the jury, He will most likely win by appeal.

as of now, I still stand with GZ unless the prosecution has hard, cold evidence that this is not a stand your ground case.

and I think the whole "God's Plan" thing has been taken way out of context.

I did not get to watch the interview,...........  is there anywhere in that interview at all where GZ says " It was God's Plan for Trayvon to die'"?

SEAN HANNITY, HOST, FOX NEWS' "HANNITY": Is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that time has passed a little bit?

ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. I feel it was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it --

I honestly don't understand how a known liar and accused child molester has been turned into the victim here. He shot and killed an UNARMED kid, for crying out loud!

By the way... I've worked with some pretty hard-core delinquents for the last 30 years - much bigger and badder than Trayvon Martin - and not once have I allowed myself to be sucker-punched and nearly beaten to death by a skinny 17-year-old kid. At the very least, GZ must be the biggest wimp around. Holy cow!

I keep trying to get an answer to this question, but nobody on GZ's side will discuss it: Trayvon Martin obviously felt threatened by George Zimmerman. If Trayvon Martin had actually beaten George Zimmerman to death, should he be exonerated under the Stand Your Ground law?


With respect...It's my understanding that no, stand-your-ground would not apply to TM, IF it is true that TM doubled back to confront GZ, that TM was almost home then decided to do an about face, sad that he didn't continue home and into the house.

Sucker-punched is just that..glad it has never happened to you, did anyone ever make an attempt?

BBM...SYG would have applied to TM; that is what the SYG is all about. Prior to SYG, an individual, if they felt threatened, had a duty to get to safety (if a safe area was available). In other words, if I was standing outside my front door, and I saw a stranger approaching in a threatening manner, I would be expected to get inside my house and call 911. The SYG laws changed this - under the same scenario, I would not have a duty to seek safety, but would instead be allowed to "stand my ground" - and if the threatening stranger got close enough, and I feared for my life (either reasonably or unreasonably) I could legally shoot him. So my point is, it didn't matter how close TM was to his house as to whether SYG would work for him or not - SYG eliminated the logic of getting to safety. That is why many people are against SYG - here in Florida, we've always had the right to shoot someone if we were in danger and could not get away. With SYG, people don't have to bother getting to safety and avoiding an altercation; they can just shoot away.

But it wasn't a matter of a threatening stranger 'getting close enough'. Martin wasn't even within sight of Zimmerman for a while, until Martin backtracked some distance and attacked him...according to Zimmerman. Doesn't sound like SYG to me.
...and your name and avi make me smile,  ::MonkeyWink:: 
I was speaking hypothetically, and mainly to the statements I have read to the effect of "if only he'd kept walking home." The SYG laws take away any duty or expectation for TM to have kept walking home - he had the right to stop and confront his (perceived) pursuer. As for TM to have doubled back, I'm staying out of that one until the trial shows some evidence one way or the other. For TM to have doubled back to follow a (perceived) threat is the same as GZ following a (perceived) threat; all we have right now is one side's word against the other. I think it will take the trial (if even then) to find out who was following who. But I think the original poster's question is still valid, as a hypothetical: If, in fact, GZ had not walked back to his car but was still in pursuit of TM, caught up with him and confronted him, would TM have then been protected by the SYG law if he had killed GZ in the resultant scuffle? And the answer is...probably.

quote:If, in fact, GZ had not walked back to his car but was still in pursuit of TM, caught up with him and confronted him, would TM have then been protected by the SYG law if he had killed GZ in the resultant scuffle? And the answer is...probably.quote


Yes, I agree if that was the case. Problem today is that this case has already been tried by the media and by a load of grifters inciting race warfare. I'm not even sure that Zimmerman will ever get a 'fair' trial. The president, justice dept and FBI involed. Do you wonder why? 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: kcrn on July 24, 2012, 12:56:04 AM
My disgust is with the eerily soft spoken proven liar who drives a fab pick up yet can't pay his bills and needs free handouts from the public because he's too askeered for either he or his wife to get a job.  Oh, and he shot a kid and feels it was God's plan for him to do so. 

I just do not understand how anyone can believe what he says.  I watched the video of his reenactment and IMO it is so obvious he's lying.

Plus, talk about milking the system!  He wouldn't talk to Barbara Walters without her paying a month's worth of a hotel stay??  I LOL'd when he tried to call into her show the next morning and she refused to have him on air.

 ::snipping2::George Zimmerman, the man who fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has started a website "to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries." ::snipping2::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57411603/george-zimmerman-seeks-donations-on-his-new-website/

Blech!!  He wants to give his supporters his "full attention"... in exchange for more money.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

The truth becomes clearer with each passing day and GZ is going to be his own undoing.  I only hope he keeps on talking.



Amy's Sister, I don't believe George Zimmerman or his wife should risk getting a job at this time, considering the death threats they've received.  They are staying at a safe house for good reason in my opinion.



I absolutely agree. 
Might be difficult for them to get a job at this point, nevermind the fact that with death threats they might just be "askeered" to leave their home. Cant imagine why. I cant imagine for the life of me how anyone could possibly think these people are going to somehow live the high life with these donations. How much do u think this defense will cost? Thats not even figuring how much money it costs to simply have a safe place to live & food to eat. Somehow I doubt theyre eating steak & lobster & wearing armani.
I don't know...according to the documents he spent $1305 on food for the 18 days he was out. Maybe not lobster, but that kind of food budget could definitely buy some steak. I tried to post the link but it gave me a ridiculously long url; sorry!
Well I my family doesnt eat caviar or lobster regularly but I can easily spend 400 every 2 weeks on food for my house & thats not even counting toiletries, cleaning supplies etc. I guess he should be eating ramen noodles & bologna like the prisoner he is. I find it disturbing & comical at the same time that people actually know to the dollar what he spent on food in 18days. If I was in fear of my life o&the lives of my family, im pretty sure id throw some hard liquor in that grocery cart too & I dont even drink


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: kcrn on July 24, 2012, 01:12:30 AM
two words: Duke Lacrosse, Duke Lacrosse Duke Lacrosse

why have we not seen so far ANY evidence from the Prosecution that is is not a stand your ground case?

If GZ does get convicted by the jury, He will most likely win by appeal.

as of now, I still stand with GZ unless the prosecution has hard, cold evidence that this is not a stand your ground case.

and I think the whole "God's Plan" thing has been taken way out of context.

I did not get to watch the interview,...........  is there anywhere in that interview at all where GZ says " It was God's Plan for Trayvon to die'"?

SEAN HANNITY, HOST, FOX NEWS' "HANNITY": Is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that time has passed a little bit?

ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. I feel it was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it --

I honestly don't understand how a known liar and accused child molester has been turned into the victim here. He shot and killed an UNARMED kid, for crying out loud!

By the way... I've worked with some pretty hard-core delinquents for the last 30 years - much bigger and badder than Trayvon Martin - and not once have I allowed myself to be sucker-punched and nearly beaten to death by a skinny 17-year-old kid. At the very least, GZ must be the biggest wimp around. Holy cow!

I keep trying to get an answer to this question, but nobody on GZ's side will discuss it: Trayvon Martin obviously felt threatened by George Zimmerman. If Trayvon Martin had actually beaten George Zimmerman to death, should he be exonerated under the Stand Your Ground law?


With respect...It's my understanding that no, stand-your-ground would not apply to TM, IF it is true that TM doubled back to confront GZ, that TM was almost home then decided to do an about face, sad that he didn't continue home and into the house.

Sucker-punched is just that..glad it has never happened to you, did anyone ever make an attempt?

BBM...SYG would have applied to TM; that is what the SYG is all about. Prior to SYG, an individual, if they felt threatened, had a duty to get to safety (if a safe area was available). In other words, if I was standing outside my front door, and I saw a stranger approaching in a threatening manner, I would be expected to get inside my house and call 911. The SYG laws changed this - under the same scenario, I would not have a duty to seek safety, but would instead be allowed to "stand my ground" - and if the threatening stranger got close enough, and I feared for my life (either reasonably or unreasonably) I could legally shoot him. So my point is, it didn't matter how close TM was to his house as to whether SYG would work for him or not - SYG eliminated the logic of getting to safety. That is why many people are against SYG - here in Florida, we've always had the right to shoot someone if we were in danger and could not get away. With SYG, people don't have to bother getting to safety and avoiding an altercation; they can just shoot away.

But it wasn't a matter of a threatening stranger 'getting close enough'. Martin wasn't even within sight of Zimmerman for a while, until Martin backtracked some distance and attacked him...according to Zimmerman. Doesn't sound like SYG to me.
...and your name and avi make me smile,  ::MonkeyWink:: 
I was speaking hypothetically, and mainly to the statements I have read to the effect of "if only he'd kept walking home." The SYG laws take away any duty or expectation for TM to have kept walking home - he had the right to stop and confront his (perceived) pursuer. As for TM to have doubled back, I'm staying out of that one until the trial shows some evidence one way or the other. For TM to have doubled back to follow a (perceived) threat is the same as GZ following a (perceived) threat; all we have right now is one side's word against the other. I think it will take the trial (if even then) to find out who was following who. But I think the original poster's question is still valid, as a hypothetical: If, in fact, GZ had not walked back to his car but was still in pursuit of TM, caught up with him and confronted him, would TM have then been protected by the SYG law if he had killed GZ in the resultant scuffle? And the answer is...probably.

quote:If, in fact, GZ had not walked back to his car but was still in pursuit of TM, caught up with him and confronted him, would TM have then been protected by the SYG law if he had killed GZ in the resultant scuffle? And the answer is...probably.quote


Yes, I agree if that was the case. Problem today is that this case has already been tried by the media and by a load of grifters inciting race warfare. I'm not even sure that Zimmerman will ever get a 'fair' trial. The president, justice dept and FBI involed. Do you wonder why? 

I know right. I dont buy what the media sells most of the time fortunately. I hate when people say that the media influenced people to think casey anthony was guilty. Um, no, the evidence spoke quite loudly in forming my opinion on that one. The fact that the media emphasized the 31 days made no diffetence to me. Noone who is not guilty of something forgets to report a missing 2 year old for 31 days. Its common sense.  unfortunately, it looks like alot of people are believing media without evidence here. We even call him a child molester here. Is george anthony a child molester because jose baez said so?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on July 24, 2012, 01:32:24 AM
My disgust is with the eerily soft spoken proven liar who drives a fab pick up yet can't pay his bills and needs free handouts from the public because he's too askeered for either he or his wife to get a job.  Oh, and he shot a kid and feels it was God's plan for him to do so. 

I just do not understand how anyone can believe what he says.  I watched the video of his reenactment and IMO it is so obvious he's lying.

Plus, talk about milking the system!  He wouldn't talk to Barbara Walters without her paying a month's worth of a hotel stay??  I LOL'd when he tried to call into her show the next morning and she refused to have him on air.

 ::snipping2::George Zimmerman, the man who fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has started a website "to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries." ::snipping2::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57411603/george-zimmerman-seeks-donations-on-his-new-website/

Blech!!  He wants to give his supporters his "full attention"... in exchange for more money.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

The truth becomes clearer with each passing day and GZ is going to be his own undoing.  I only hope he keeps on talking.



Amy's Sister, I don't believe George Zimmerman or his wife should risk getting a job at this time, considering the death threats they've received.  They are staying at a safe house for good reason in my opinion.



I absolutely agree. 
Might be difficult for them to get a job at this point, nevermind the fact that with death threats they might just be "askeered" to leave their home. Cant imagine why. I cant imagine for the life of me how anyone could possibly think these people are going to somehow live the high life with these donations. How much do u think this defense will cost? Thats not even figuring how much money it costs to simply have a safe place to live & food to eat. Somehow I doubt theyre eating steak & lobster & wearing armani.
I don't know...according to the documents he spent $1305 on food for the 18 days he was out. Maybe not lobster, but that kind of food budget could definitely buy some steak. I tried to post the link but it gave me a ridiculously long url; sorry!

According to Bing..my math sucks..that's 1305 / 18 = 72.5 per day. We don't know how many people were being fed, maybe security, maybe family as well. That's not an over the top amount...even for one depending upon where he was hiding then.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on July 24, 2012, 02:27:58 AM
Video of Zimmerman interview on Fox at link

http://blogs.lawyers.com/2012/07/zimmerman-interview-on-fox-starts-media-storm/

Zimmerman Interview on Fox Starts Media Storm
Posted July 23, 2012

 ::snipping2::
Regrets? Oh Yeah, Those…
 
Money matters aside, Zimmerman makes a good witness – that much was clear. His only real misstep came when Hannity asked if he regretted anything about the night he shot Martin in what he says was a life or death struggle. “No, sir,” Zimmerman responded to Hannity’s line of questions including whether he regretted getting out of the car to follow Martin, carrying a gun, or anything else about that night. “I feel it was all God’s plan.”

At the end of the interview, when Hannity asked if there was anything Zimmerman wanted to say to the American public, he took the opportunity to correct himself, saying:
 
First, I would like to readdress your question when you asked if I would have done anything differently. When you asked that, I thought you were referring to if I would not have talked to the police, if I would have maybe have gotten an attorney, if I wouldn’t have taken the CVSA and that I stand by, I would not have done anything differently.
 
But I do wish that there was something, anything I could have done that wouldn’t have put me in the position where I had to take his life. And I do want to tell everyone, my wife, my family, my parents, my grandmother, the Martins, the city of Stanford, and America that I am sorry that this happened.
 
I hate to think that because of this incident, because of my actions, it’s polarized and divided America, and I’m truly sorry.
 
The media storm came fast and furious, regardless. Jonathan Capahart, in an opinion piece for a Washington Post blog, said Zimmerman should “regret” the interview. Many jumped on his “God’s plan” comment, and Martin’s parents went on NBC’s Today Show afterwards to call his interview “ridiculous” and to say they had no interest in taking him up on his offer to talk.
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Annette Kelly3 hours ago

He's not the angry guy the media described. I think the interview was a net gain in his public profile and I thought the retelling in this interview was consistent with his prior statements to police. The God's plan headlines were taken out of text and Sybrina Fulton herself has used God to explain the situation she finds herself in. "It's so easy for me to cry right now, but I can't because I have work to do," she told the congregation. "I was forced into this position, but I believe God is using me." Sybrina Fulton
 "But now I know that God has called Trayvon. He was chosen." Sybrina Fulton
"God is in control." Sybrina Fulton


Thanks!!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: labubske on July 24, 2012, 10:20:48 AM
My disgust is with the eerily soft spoken proven liar who drives a fab pick up yet can't pay his bills and needs free handouts from the public because he's too askeered for either he or his wife to get a job.  Oh, and he shot a kid and feels it was God's plan for him to do so. 

I just do not understand how anyone can believe what he says.  I watched the video of his reenactment and IMO it is so obvious he's lying.

Plus, talk about milking the system!  He wouldn't talk to Barbara Walters without her paying a month's worth of a hotel stay??  I LOL'd when he tried to call into her show the next morning and she refused to have him on air.

 ::snipping2::George Zimmerman, the man who fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has started a website "to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries." ::snipping2::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57411603/george-zimmerman-seeks-donations-on-his-new-website/

Blech!!  He wants to give his supporters his "full attention"... in exchange for more money.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

The truth becomes clearer with each passing day and GZ is going to be his own undoing.  I only hope he keeps on talking.



Unfortunately, we have made this type of behavior okay.  America watches this stuff and that is how he is going to pay for his defense.  Just like Casey Anthony.  We are guilty of that.  Unless of course you watch absolutely none of it and boycott the stations and media that allow this.

Equal Justice for All....if you can afford it. What option does Zimmerman have? On top of that no job, having to pay for security because of death threats and a safe house. 



I agree...he doesn't have another option that I can think of.  He has to have the best defense because it is not going to be the "normal" trial that it should be.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on July 24, 2012, 02:59:01 PM
http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2012/07/24/trayvon-martins-parents-speak-in-little-rock

Trayvon Martin's parents speak in Little Rock
Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:47 PM

The parents of Trayvon Martin, the black 17-year-old shot and killed in Sanford, Fla. last February by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, spoke in Little Rock today at a civil rights breakfast, part of the annual conference of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives, or NOBLE.

Tracy Martin, Sybrina Fulton and their attorney Benjamin Crump shared the platform with several local luminaries, including Elizabeth Eckford of the Little Rock Nine and former Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders as they addressed a large crowd of black officers from across the U.S., the Caribbean and the UK. They arrived late at the breakfast because of a canceled flight out of Florida last night. While introducing Fulton and Martin, Crump led the crowd in three chants of "I am Trayvon," which he said brings Fulton and Martin strength when they speak in public.

Martin said that if it was not for members of NOBLE on the Sanford, Fla. Police Department, the case would have gone cold. At a press conference after the event, Fulton said their gratitude to the organization is why they traveled to Little Rock to address the group. Martin told the crowd he had dedicated his life to seeing justice for his son, and helping all people who have been victimized. "It didn't stop with Trayvon," he said, "and it's not going to end with Trayvon."
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on July 24, 2012, 03:03:18 PM
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-childrens-defense-fund-to-host-trayvon-martins-parents-at-its-community-and-youth-empowerment-conference-in-cincinnati-ohio-wednesday-july-25-2012-2012-07-24

press release
July 24, 2012, 1:25 p.m. EDT
The Children's Defense Fund to Host Trayvon Martin's Parents at its Community and Youth Empowerment Conference in Cincinnati, Ohio Wednesday, July 25, 2012

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CDF president Marian Wright Edelman called the killing of the unarmed teenager outrageous. "At the time Trayvon was walking home from the nearby 7-11 carrying a bottle of Arizona iced tea and a bag of Skittles for his younger stepbrother," said Edelman, "leaving many people to guess that the main thing he was doing that made him look like he was up to no good was wearing a hooded sweatshirt in the rain and walking while Black."

Martin's parents Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton will be accompanied by their lawyer Benjamin Crump. The shooting of Trayvon Martin sparked a wildfire of demonstrations by young people on social media and on college campuses around the country and young people are here at the CDF conference to address these and other issues of concern. Almost 1500 students are learning about community organizing, voter registration, in an effort to go back home with the skills to pursue social and political justice for children.

What: National and Racial Healing Town Hall with the parents of Trayvon Martin

Who: Sybrina Fulton, mother of Trayvon Martin, Tracy Martin, father, and their attorney Benjamin Crump; Rev. Al Sharpton, Dr. Maya Angelou, Rev. Dr. Otis Moss, III,

Where: At the Children's Defense Fund's National Conference in Cincinnati, Ohio at the Duke Energy Convention Center's Grand Ballroom.

When: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 at 10:45 a.m.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on July 24, 2012, 03:20:25 PM
Shellie has her first court appearance next week.

Have we ever found out who's her attorney?

http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_detail.jsp?CaseNo=592012CF001792A



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: kcrn on July 24, 2012, 03:28:45 PM
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-childrens-defense-fund-to-host-trayvon-martins-parents-at-its-community-and-youth-empowerment-conference-in-cincinnati-ohio-wednesday-july-25-2012-2012-07-24

press release
July 24, 2012, 1:25 p.m. EDT
The Children's Defense Fund to Host Trayvon Martin's Parents at its Community and Youth Empowerment Conference in Cincinnati, Ohio Wednesday, July 25, 2012

 ::snipping2::
CDF president Marian Wright Edelman called the killing of the unarmed teenager outrageous. "At the time Trayvon was walking home from the nearby 7-11 carrying a bottle of Arizona iced tea and a bag of Skittles for his younger stepbrother," said Edelman, "leaving many people to guess that the main thing he was doing that made him look like he was up to no good was wearing a hooded sweatshirt in the rain and walking while Black."

Martin's parents Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton will be accompanied by their lawyer Benjamin Crump. The shooting of Trayvon Martin sparked a wildfire of demonstrations by young people on social media and on college campuses around the country and young people are here at the CDF conference to address these and other issues of concern. Almost 1500 students are learning about community organizing, voter registration, in an effort to go back home with the skills to pursue social and political justice for children.

What: National and Racial Healing Town Hall with the parents of Trayvon Martin

Who: Sybrina Fulton, mother of Trayvon Martin, Tracy Martin, father, and their attorney Benjamin Crump; Rev. Al Sharpton, Dr. Maya Angelou, Rev. Dr. Otis Moss, III,

Where: At the Children's Defense Fund's National Conference in Cincinnati, Ohio at the Duke Energy Convention Center's Grand Ballroom.

When: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 at 10:45 a.m.
 ::snipping2::

Wonder how exactly these people can afford to have no job & travel the world like this


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on July 24, 2012, 04:39:45 PM
Not directed to anyone in particular, just a reminder...

I hope this thread can continue to stay open and dialog and discussion can continue in a reasonable manner.  I realize this case brings a lot of emotions and there are going to be varying opinions, especially since the case has not gone to trial yet. It's possible to express an opinion without offending others with a differing opinion.  I would encourage those with strong feelings particularly in threads like this one with hot button issues to think before they hit "post".  JMHO  ::bee::

Thanks Muffy...my stomach always gets into knots when I open this particular thread.  I don't know why I keep opening it.

I totally understand labubske, and hope I can take my own advice.   ::MonkeyWink:: 

Me too!  Just now when I came into this thread I said to myself, "Okay, I'm going into the abyss.  Just breathe."   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

It's been a real excercise in patience and acceptance, plus trying to stay light hearted.

Thanks for the reminder MuffyBee.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on July 24, 2012, 05:05:23 PM
My disgust is with the eerily soft spoken proven liar who drives a fab pick up yet can't pay his bills and needs free handouts from the public because he's too askeered for either he or his wife to get a job.  Oh, and he shot a kid and feels it was God's plan for him to do so. 

I just do not understand how anyone can believe what he says.  I watched the video of his reenactment and IMO it is so obvious he's lying.

Plus, talk about milking the system!  He wouldn't talk to Barbara Walters without her paying a month's worth of a hotel stay??  I LOL'd when he tried to call into her show the next morning and she refused to have him on air.

 ::snipping2::George Zimmerman, the man who fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has started a website "to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries." ::snipping2::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57411603/george-zimmerman-seeks-donations-on-his-new-website/

Blech!!  He wants to give his supporters his "full attention"... in exchange for more money.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

The truth becomes clearer with each passing day and GZ is going to be his own undoing.  I only hope he keeps on talking.



Amy's Sister, I don't believe George Zimmerman or his wife should risk getting a job at this time, considering the death threats they've received.  They are staying at a safe house for good reason in my opinion.



I absolutely agree. 
Might be difficult for them to get a job at this point, nevermind the fact that with death threats they might just be "askeered" to leave their home. Cant imagine why. I cant imagine for the life of me how anyone could possibly think these people are going to somehow live the high life with these donations. How much do u think this defense will cost? Thats not even figuring how much money it costs to simply have a safe place to live & food to eat. Somehow I doubt theyre eating steak & lobster & wearing armani.

See, here's where it get weird.  I never said steak and lobster or Armani, nor did I imply that.  He has family with whom he could have stayed before he lied to the judge but now he can't live out of state so that's out.  Was his wife threatened?  She also needed to leave her job?

I guess I do think $75 a day is a lot of money for food.  We are two hardworking people and we can't afford that.  I sure don't hold it against anyone who can and applaud folks who live comfortable lives but I just find it very uncomfortable when a man can give a one sided story about how he had to kill a kid and everyone just automatically believes him when he's a proven liar, then he goes public for donations and makes demands on interviewers.  It just creeps me out.

Had the police handled the investigation properly from the beginning this would not have escalated to what it has turned into.  The parents do have a leg to stand on with regards to this being a civil rights issue, not because of GZ's actions (with the exception of profiling) but because of LE and community leaders and their history with regards to people of color.  Others who actually live in the community have even posted here to that effect.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: sailcat on July 24, 2012, 05:19:49 PM
My disgust is with the eerily soft spoken proven liar who drives a fab pick up yet can't pay his bills and needs free handouts from the public because he's too askeered for either he or his wife to get a job.  Oh, and he shot a kid and feels it was God's plan for him to do so. 

I just do not understand how anyone can believe what he says.  I watched the video of his reenactment and IMO it is so obvious he's lying.

Plus, talk about milking the system!  He wouldn't talk to Barbara Walters without her paying a month's worth of a hotel stay??  I LOL'd when he tried to call into her show the next morning and she refused to have him on air.

 ::snipping2::George Zimmerman, the man who fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has started a website "to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries." ::snipping2::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57411603/george-zimmerman-seeks-donations-on-his-new-website/

Blech!!  He wants to give his supporters his "full attention"... in exchange for more money.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

The truth becomes clearer with each passing day and GZ is going to be his own undoing.  I only hope he keeps on talking.



Amy's Sister, I don't believe George Zimmerman or his wife should risk getting a job at this time, considering the death threats they've received.  They are staying at a safe house for good reason in my opinion.



I absolutely agree. 
Might be difficult for them to get a job at this point, nevermind the fact that with death threats they might just be "askeered" to leave their home. Cant imagine why. I cant imagine for the life of me how anyone could possibly think these people are going to somehow live the high life with these donations. How much do u think this defense will cost? Thats not even figuring how much money it costs to simply have a safe place to live & food to eat. Somehow I doubt theyre eating steak & lobster & wearing armani.

See, here's where it get weird.  I never said steak and lobster or Armani, nor did I imply that.  He has family with whom he could have stayed before he lied to the judge but now he can't live out of state so that's out.  Was his wife threatened?  She also needed to leave her job?

I guess I do think $75 a day is a lot of money for food.  We are two hardworking people and we can't afford that.  I sure don't hold it against anyone who can and applaud folks who live comfortable lives but I just find it very uncomfortable when a man can give a one sided story about how he had to kill a kid and everyone just automatically believes him when he's a proven liar, then he goes public for donations and makes demands on interviewers.  It just creeps me out.

Had the police handled the investigation properly from the beginning this would not have escalated to what it has turned into.  The parents do have a leg to stand on with regards to this being a civil rights issue, not because of GZ's actions (with the exception of profiling) but because of LE and community leaders and their history with regards to people of color.  Others who actually live in the community have even posted here to that effect.



Excellent, thoughtful post!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 24, 2012, 05:48:42 PM
I'm seeing opinion and emotion and not so many facts with links.  So it can be hard to say about some things. Here's what I think:
 
 I'm not going to try to find any articles or links that would indicate Shellie Zimmerman has been threatened.  The fact is, her husband George has been threatened with death threats and is staying in a safe house.  I wouldn't think it prudent for Shellie to be out in public right now to try to work for her personal safety, nor that of her workplace.  Expecting her to go out and try to work right now just doesn't make sense, and she and George therefore have to rely on donations or other ways to make money to live on. 

As far as the as the money spent for food, I haven't been privy to any receipts that indicate what was bought.  What were the items?  How long was the food to last?   Did it include health and beauty items?  Condiments?  Toilet paper, fem. hygiene, paper towels etc.  The Zimmerman's aren't staying in their own home.  I remember how much my initial grocery bills were when I moved, and I had to buy a bunch of that stuff again, that I would usually have on hand.  I haven't seen detailed receipts, so I am holding judgement on that.  I'm not attempting to defend the Zimmerman's, but without having seen the details it's really hard to say.  One could only guess, imo.

It is my opinion that the Martin's and others they have become connected with have made this an issue of race.  However, since we don't have a lot of facts and the case hasn't gone to trial there's a lot we don't know at this point.  I see it as more of a gun control issue, frankly.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 24, 2012, 05:50:52 PM
http://www.wwno.org/post/new-black-panther-party-offers-10k-bounty-george-zimmerman

12:13 pm  Mon March 26, 2012
New Black Panther Party Offers $10K Bounty For George Zimmerman
By Eyder Peralta

Over the weekend, members of the New Black Panther Party showed just how tense the situation in the Trayvon Martin shooting has gotten: They offered a $10,000 bounty for the capture of George Zimmerman, who shot and killed the unarmed teenager.
 
The Orlando Sentinel reports that Mikhail Muhammad announced the reward during a protest on Saturday, and when a Sentinel reporter asked if he was inciting violence, Muhammad said, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."
  ::snipping2::



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 24, 2012, 05:54:54 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/28/elderly-couple-forced-out-home-after-tweet-claims-killer-trayvon-miller-lives/#ixzz1qONII6KM?test=latestnews
Elderly couple forced out of home after tweet claims killer of Trayvon Martin lives there


Quote
When William Zimmerman pleaded with the man who tweeted the address, the man responded, "Black power all day. No justice, no peace" along with an obscenity.
 

And this is what happens when people refuse to look at both sides of any issue.  Innocent people are hurt.  I hope they sue every one who tweeted that addy.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 24, 2012, 06:04:51 PM
Just revisiting some of the old articles.  I've included some of the article that indicates Trayvon Martin wasn't a model citizen, but what is shown here wouldn't be a reason for him to be shot to death.  What happened the night of his death, I don't know. 

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/11574960-418/supporters-of-george-zimmerman-fearful-of-speaking-out.html
Supporters of George Zimmerman fearful of speaking out
March 28, 2012

 ::snipping2::
“The family has had death threats, the father and mother, George has had death threats. Anything related to George is a target,” said Miguel Meza, who identified himself as Zimmerman’s cousin.
 ::snipping2::
Meza spoke only briefly over the telephone to a reporter from The Associated Press. It wasn’t immediately clear if he had talked to Zimmerman since the shooting, but he said other relatives are afraid to comment publicly, even though they think he is being treated unfairly.

“The media has been quick to demonize George, but Trayvon Martin was no angelic boy walking,” Meza said.

Zimmerman’s attorney, Craig Sonner, has said in more than one interview that his client’s nose was broken during the fight with Martin.

The Orlando Sentinel, citing anonymous sources, has reported that Martin grabbed Zimmerman’s head and banged it several times against the sidewalk. A statement from Sanford police said the newspaper’s story was “consistent” with evidence turned over to prosecutors.

Sonner said the gash on the back of Zimmerman’s head probably was serious enough for stitches, but he waited too long for treatment so the wound was already healing.

Zimmerman said he began crying for help; Martin’s family thinks it was their son who was crying out. Witness accounts differ and 911 tapes in which the voices are heard are not clear.

Martin was at least 6 feet tall, several inches taller than the 5-foot-9 Zimmerman. Meza said Martin was not the child he appears to be in photos flashed across television and newspapers.

“George was in a fight for his life,” Meza said.

Martin’s supporters, including a host of outspoken celebrities and civil rights leaders who have appeared on television for the past two weeks, don’t believe Zimmerman’s story. They want him arrested and prosecuted, and his parents think their son is being painted in a negative light by a police department leaking information to the news media.

The teenager was suspended from school three times this year. In October, he wrote obscene graffiti on a door at his high school. During a search of his backpack, campus security officers found 12 pieces of jewelry, a watch and a screwdriver that they thought could be used as a burglary tool, according to a school police report obtained by the Miami Herald.

When campus security confronted Martin, he told them a friend had given him the jewelry, but he wouldn’t give a name. The Miami-Dade Police Department said Tuesday the jewelry could not be tied to any reported thefts.

Martin had previously been suspended for excessive absences and tardiness and, at the time of his death, was serving a 10-day suspension after school officials found an empty plastic bag with marijuana traces in his backpack.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 24, 2012, 06:13:30 PM
I would really like to see more hard evidence and facts.  There's just way too many people with agendas.  I'm finding this case seems to be whatever someone wants to make it out to be, depending on the slant.  It's so easy for words to be taken out of context.  It seems some want to make this case to be a white on black issue, some want it to be a gun control issue, some want it to be something else.  There has been a lot of misinformation over time, and when something gets repeated enough, it's easy for it to be taken as fact.  When there have been mistakes or misunderstandings in this case, or even the editing of a tape and it gets corrected, some believe the original version even when shown it's been proven to not be the case.  People will believe what they want to believe, imo. 

What can be difficult and is human nature imo, is how certain things in this case apply to us personally.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 24, 2012, 06:15:23 PM
I'm going to take my own advice now, and go get a glass of iced tea and view another thread.  ::bee::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Stacey on July 24, 2012, 06:45:46 PM

Hindsight is 20/20. Maybe he should have. & maybe trayvon would be akive if he had continued on home.

Also with respect....If this statement was true. Then know one that didn't carry a gun could not and should not go outside their own homes to do things as innocently as walking to the store for candy and a drink.  Because you should know that people with guns may think you don't look right and on drugs. If you get shot you have caused your own death for leaving your home. IMOO
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Thanks for your response...but I didn't post that, somehow or other the posts got muddled.
   :smt102
My disgust is for the media and race-baiters.
[/quote]  So sorry Toler don't know what the heck happened  ::MonkeyConfused:: I tried to shorten the stake and got it messed up ~~hugs~~


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: kcrn on July 24, 2012, 06:51:50 PM
My disgust is with the eerily soft spoken proven liar who drives a fab pick up yet can't pay his bills and needs free handouts from the public because he's too askeered for either he or his wife to get a job.  Oh, and he shot a kid and feels it was God's plan for him to do so. 

I just do not understand how anyone can believe what he says.  I watched the video of his reenactment and IMO it is so obvious he's lying.

Plus, talk about milking the system!  He wouldn't talk to Barbara Walters without her paying a month's worth of a hotel stay??  I LOL'd when he tried to call into her show the next morning and she refused to have him on air.

 ::snipping2::George Zimmerman, the man who fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has started a website "to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries." ::snipping2::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57411603/george-zimmerman-seeks-donations-on-his-new-website/

Blech!!  He wants to give his supporters his "full attention"... in exchange for more money.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

The truth becomes clearer with each passing day and GZ is going to be his own undoing.  I only hope he keeps on talking.



Amy's Sister, I don't believe George Zimmerman or his wife should risk getting a job at this time, considering the death threats they've received.  They are staying at a safe house for good reason in my opinion.



I absolutely agree. 
Might be difficult for them to get a job at this point, nevermind the fact that with death threats they might just be "askeered" to leave their home. Cant imagine why. I cant imagine for the life of me how anyone could possibly think these people are going to somehow live the high life with these donations. How much do u think this defense will cost? Thats not even figuring how much money it costs to simply have a safe place to live & food to eat. Somehow I doubt theyre eating steak & lobster & wearing armani.

See, here's where it get weird.  I never said steak and lobster or Armani, nor did I imply that.  He has family with whom he could have stayed before he lied to the judge but now he can't live out of state so that's out.  Was his wife threatened?  She also needed to leave her job?

I guess I do think $75 a day is a lot of money for food.  We are two hardworking people and we can't afford that.  I sure don't hold it against anyone who can and applaud folks who live comfortable lives but I just find it very uncomfortable when a man can give a one sided story about how he had to kill a kid and everyone just automatically believes him when he's a proven liar, then he goes public for donations and makes demands on interviewers.  It just creeps me out.

Had the police handled the investigation properly from the beginning this would not have escalated to what it has turned into.  The parents do have a leg to stand on with regards to this being a civil rights issue, not because of GZ's actions (with the exception of profiling) but because of LE and community leaders and their history with regards to people of color.  Others who actually live in the community have even posted here to that effect.


See heres where what gets weird? I dont recall directing anything toward you about steak & lobster. My point is that I cant imagine where people get the idea that theyre living high on donations. How much money do u think it costs to relocate to a safe house, eat & just live, nevermind what his legal fees are. How much do u think this defense will cost. Im quite sure his atty would take issue with them living extravagantly if hes not getting paid. My family eats like every other middle class family I know & I spend alot of money on food & everday necessities. Its not cheap. & frankly who the heck cares what the man eats. I do not in any way, shape or form believe he targeted this kid for being black. If your issue is how the police handled the investigation, direct your anger & hatred toward them. This man does not deserve to fear a lynching because those with an agenda made this into a race war. I am an rn like his wife & I sure as hell wouldnt want my safety threatened by having to work at the same place ad she does. dont venture into the abyss if u have such a hard time with opposing viewpoints.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: kcrn on July 24, 2012, 07:05:14 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/28/elderly-couple-forced-out-home-after-tweet-claims-killer-trayvon-miller-lives/#ixzz1qONII6KM?test=latestnews
Elderly couple forced out of home after tweet claims killer of Trayvon Martin lives there


Quote
When William Zimmerman pleaded with the man who tweeted the address, the man responded, "Black power all day. No justice, no peace" along with an obscenity.You
 

And this is what happens when people refuse to look at both sides of any issue.  Innocent people are hurt.  I hope they sue every one who tweeted that addy.
"black power"? See now this is what burns me up. This case has become an excuse to pronounce your racism without fear of backlash. People like that sicken me. Ive seen plenty of maury shows with white supremacists & they turn my stomach. If its a black person making that same kind of disgusting show of race superiority its all about civil rights. Give me a break. I am so glad that the black friends I have are not like this.


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Post by: Bongosmom on July 24, 2012, 09:24:19 PM
Muffy is right and links should be supplied. Here is the link for GZ's expenditures: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=george%20zimmerman%20expenditures&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CE0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cfnews13.com%2Fcontent%2Fdam%2Fnews%2Fstatic%2Fcfnews13%2Fdocuments%2F2012%2F07%2FZimmerman-expenses-0718.pdf&ei=d0QPUPCFFIyo8ASOioGYDw&usg=AFQjCNHkONKa9hZvoNnIcLWQ6xYozM5zUQ&cad=rja
 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=george%20zimmerman%20expenditures&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CE0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cfnews13.com%2Fcontent%2Fdam%2Fnews%2Fstatic%2Fcfnews13%2Fdocuments%2F2012%2F07%2FZimmerman-expenses-0718.pdf&ei=d0QPUPCFFIyo8ASOioGYDw&usg=AFQjCNHkONKa9hZvoNnIcLWQ6xYozM5zUQ&cad=rja)
If the link doesn't work, you can find it by googling "George Zimmerman's Expenditures" and go to a link for News 13. Note that there are entries for "Food" and for "Groceries".


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Post by: kcrn on July 24, 2012, 09:49:50 PM
 ::MonkeyJnBox::
Muffy is right and links should be supplied. Here is the link for GZ's expenditures: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=george%20zimmerman%20expenditures&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CE0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cfnews13.com%2Fcontent%2Fdam%2Fnews%2Fstatic%2Fcfnews13%2Fdocuments%2F2012%2F07%2FZimmerman-expenses-0718.pdf&ei=d0QPUPCFFIyo8ASOioGYDw&usg=AFQjCNHkONKa9hZvoNnIcLWQ6xYozM5zUQ&cad=rja
 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=george%20zimmerman%20expenditures&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CE0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cfnews13.com%2Fcontent%2Fdam%2Fnews%2Fstatic%2Fcfnews13%2Fdocuments%2F2012%2F07%2FZimmerman-expenses-0718.pdf&ei=d0QPUPCFFIyo8ASOioGYDw&usg=AFQjCNHkONKa9hZvoNnIcLWQ6xYozM5zUQ&cad=rja)
If the link doesn't work, you can find it by googling "George Zimmerman's Expenditures" and go to a link for News 13. Note that there are entries for "Food" and for "Groceries".

Wow I feel like I know so much more about him for reading that. With those purchases I clearly see now how he is a race profiler, a molester & a liar. & it sure appears hes living extravagantly. I have many of those same expenses myself & im far from wealthy.


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Post by: Toler on July 25, 2012, 02:22:01 AM
I would really like to see more hard evidence and facts.  There's just way too many people with agendas.  I'm finding this case seems to be whatever someone wants to make it out to be, depending on the slant.  It's so easy for words to be taken out of context.  It seems some want to make this case to be a white on black issue, some want it to be a gun control issue, some want it to be something else.  There has been a lot of misinformation over time, and when something gets repeated enough, it's easy for it to be taken as fact.  When there have been mistakes or misunderstandings in this case, or even the editing of a tape and it gets corrected, some believe the original version even when shown it's been proven to not be the case.  People will believe what they want to believe, imo. 

What can be difficult and is human nature imo, is how certain things in this case apply to us personally.

Wish the rest of the world would have taken your advice a long time ago re. hard evidence and facts, Muffy. We're long past that and now into agendas and politics. I'm a very old broad and have been suckered in by media until....the internet. Though I have my doubts Zimmerman will have a 'fair' trial...


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: alagary on July 25, 2012, 06:08:42 AM
$6,037 in phone and internet related items,should have looked into one of those bundling plans.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 25, 2012, 07:47:31 AM
$6,037 in phone and internet related items,should have looked into one of those bundling plans.

 ::rhino::   ::MonkeyWink::


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Post by: labubske on July 25, 2012, 09:06:24 AM
$6,037 in phone and internet related items,should have looked into one of those bundling plans.

 ::rhino::   ::MonkeyWink::

Ha...yeah.  I never understood the high price to put in a land line. Unlimited minutes would have been good...especially talking from jail...that gets super expensive.  But, I don't think you can reduce the cost of jail calls.


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Post by: grace-land on July 25, 2012, 01:30:55 PM
http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmermans-wife-shellie-zimmerman-arraignment-perjury-court-date-july-31-details

Her Day In Court! Shellie Zimmerman's Perjury Arraignment Set (DETAILS)
Posted 1 hour 17 min ago

State attorneys have released an official notice regarding the perjury arraignment for George Zimmerman's wife, Shellie. The arraignment will take place on July 31st.
 
Shellie is not expected to attend.
 ::snipping2::

Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmermans-wife-shellie-zimmerman-arraignment-perjury-court-date-july-31-details#ixzz21ejFaPF9


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on July 25, 2012, 01:31:14 PM
$6,037 in phone and internet related items,should have looked into one of those bundling plans.

 ::rhino::   ::MonkeyWink::

Ha...yeah.  I never understood the high price to put in a land line. Unlimited minutes would have been good...especially talking from jail...that gets super expensive.  But, I don't think you can reduce the cost of jail calls.
Our phone company charges by the foot to install lines up to your home then a set (and expensive) fee to initialize the line into the dwelling.  Right now they are replacing all the old phone lines with new fiber optic cables so the price has come down somewhat but a couple of years ago it was outrageous.  I can see that expense.   


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Post by: grace-land on July 25, 2012, 01:46:42 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-25/news/os-george-zimmerman-scret-witness-names-20120725_1_trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-mary-cutcher

Prosecutors release names of 6 'secret' witnesses in Zimmerman case
1:12 p.m. EST, July 25, 2012

 ::snipping2::
But Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. ordered the release of the names of witnesses who had previously talked publicly to reporters. Those six were identified Wednesday.

They include a 13-year-old boy who told police that moments before he heard a gunshot, he saw a man in red on the ground.

 ::snipping2::
The just-disclosed names include Brandy Green, the girlfriend of Trayvon's father. Trayvon was spending the week with her. She lived in the same gated community as Zimmerman.

The list also includes Mary Cutcher and Selma Mora, two roommates who heard cries for help and the gunshot. Cutcher told television broadcasters that she did not believe that Zimmerman fired in self-defense, and that he showed no remorse.

Mora told CNN that immediately after she shooting, she saw Zimmerman straddling Trayvon.

Another witness is Cheryl Brown, the mother of the 13-year-old boy. She was not home at the time of the shooting and did not witness it.

Zimmerman's wife, Shellie, is to be arraigned Tuesday at the Seminole County criminal courts building on a perjury charge. That means she'll enter a plea.

Her brother-in-law, Robert Zimmerman, said three weeks ago that she has an attorney, but he would not name that person, and as of noon-time Tuesday, court records showed that no one has formally filed notice that he or she is serving as Shellie Zimmerman's lawyer.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on July 25, 2012, 02:40:09 PM
$6,037 in phone and internet related items,should have looked into one of those bundling plans.

 ::rhino::   ::MonkeyWink::

Ha...yeah.  I never understood the high price to put in a land line. Unlimited minutes would have been good...especially talking from jail...that gets super expensive.  But, I don't think you can reduce the cost of jail calls.
Our phone company charges by the foot to install lines up to your home then a set (and expensive) fee to initialize the line into the dwelling.  Right now they are replacing all the old phone lines with new fiber optic cables so the price has come down somewhat but a couple of years ago it was outrageous.  I can see that expense.   

I believe the high price to put in a land line was the "dedicated line" for the monitoring device Zim has to wear.


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Post by: grace-land on July 25, 2012, 09:56:58 PM
http://www.bet.com/news/national/2012/07/25/trayvon-s-mother-says-she-is-prepared-for-any-trial-outcome.html

Trayvon’s Mother Says She Is Prepared for Any Trial Outcome
Posted: 07/25/2012 05:06 PM EDT

Trayvon Martin’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, said she is prepared to deal with whatever verdict is imposed on George Zimmerman, the former neighborhood watch volunteer who killed her son. She added that she is even prepared to face the possibility of Zimmerman being found not guilty.
 
Fulton addressed a town hall meeting in Cincinnati on violence and racial harmony and discussed her feelings about the February shooting of Trayvon, a killing that has garnered nationwide attention and controversy. She and Trayvon’s father, Tracy Martin, spoke about their grief and the importance of preventing similar shootings.
 
"My son's life was cut down short. He had a bright future," she said.
 
"The most difficult part is the process that I'm going through now, and that's the part of not having my son on earth. Everything else is just a process, and I think if I can deal with not holding my son and hugging my son and not talking to him, I can certainly deal with whatever the court rules."
 
Following the town hall event, Fulton did not respond to questions about whether she considered Zimmerman sincere in stating that the killing was not racially motivated.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on July 25, 2012, 11:55:01 PM
Prosecutors release names of witnesses in Zimmerman case
July 25 '12

Prosecutors in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case have released the names of six secret witnesses.

The witnesses all live in the Retreat View neighborhood where Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by Zimmerman on Feb. 26. Zimmerman said the shooting was self-defense.
 
The witnesses are identified as:
 
Witness 4: Cheryl BrownWitness 5: Mary CutcherWitness 7: Brandy GreenWitness 14: Austin McClendonWitness 16: Selma Mora Witness 42: Cynthia Wibtker
 
Originally both sides had agreed to keep the witness identities private for their protection, but Judge Kenneth Lester ordered the names of those witnesses who had previously spoken to the media be released.   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48326244


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on July 26, 2012, 12:00:21 AM
Trayvon Martin's parents: Death not in vain
July 25 '12

CINCINNATI -- Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, parents of slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin, were the headline attractions Wednesday before a convention audience that was urged to simultaneously forgive wrongdoers and fight for equal justice.
Fulton squinted through harsh stage lights into an audience made up primarily of young people and said her son would be walking around the room and talking to people.

"He liked to go to the mall, liked to dress nice, liked to smell nice, liked movies, just like you," Fulton said to more than 1,000 people in a town hall on violence and racial healing at the Children's Defense Fund national conference at the Duke Energy Convention Center.

"Trayvon was emotional and affectionate, even at 17. He loved to hug and kiss on us."

Fulton and Martin were part of a panel whose participants knew the loss of children and other loved ones to violence. Marian Wright Edelman, founder and president of the child advocacy organization, referenced the theater shooting last week in Aurora, Colo., and repeated Wednesday her call for "sensible gun control" that she said would save the lives eight U.S. children killed each day in gun violence.

Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer, George Zimmerman, on Feb. 26 in Sanford, Fla. Zimmerman, charged with second-degree murder, pleaded not guilty and says he acted in self-defense under Florida's "stand-your-ground" law and was attacked and beaten by Trayvon, who was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and walking home from a convenience store.

Yet his parents and their lawyer say Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon and ignored a 911 dispatcher's advice not to follow the teen.

"Nothing anyone can do will bring Trayvon back," Tracy Martin said. "You have to take that negative and turn it into a positive. We chose to keep our son's name alive and not let his death be in vain."

They created the Trayvon Martin Foundation, the aims of which are conflict resolution, cross-cultural dialogue and crime prevention.

Besides Fulton and Martin and their attorney, Benjamin Crump, panel participants included Ron and Kim Odom, of Dorchester, Mass., whose son was shot and killed in 2007. Homeless advocate Clemmie Greenlee, of Nashville, Tenn., whose son was murdered in 2003, spoke. Poet and author Maya Angelou gave the keynote address.

Speaking at the start of the two-hour event, Angelou addressed Trayvon's parents: "If, in fact, he (Zimmerman) is exonerated, it will be difficult to avoid being bitter and entering into hate. My prayer is for them to be strong. We need to demand justice. It means we don't become poisoned by hate."  ::snipping2:: 

http://content.usatoday.com/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=mansfieldnewsjournal&sParam=56484664.story


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on July 26, 2012, 12:11:40 AM
quote: They created the Trayvon Martin Foundation, the aims of which are conflict resolution, cross-cultural dialogue and crime prevention. quote

I must've missed the cross-cultural dialogue, anyone have a link?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on July 26, 2012, 11:10:04 AM
George Zimmerman case: Witnesses furious
July 26 '12


Judge Kenneth Lester ordered the names and addresses of 6 witnesses released in the George Zimmerman case, because they have already been interviewed by the media. They all live in the neighborhood where the shooting took place.
 
It's been five months since George Zimmerman shot and killed 17 year old Trayvon Martin off of Retreat View Circle.  Neighbor Shirley Saenz remembers the night clearly, "I saw his body and the whole chaos around the street." Shirley's mother Selma Mora and roommate Mary Cutcher held a news conference about what they witnessed. Back then Cutcher said, "I feel it was not self defense."
 
But now that Judge Lester has released the names and addresses of 6 witnesses in the case who live here, Shirley is concerned. While she says, her mother and Cutcher felt a responsibility to speakout, they didn't think their addresses would be released to the public, "What if someone is on Zimmerman's side and wants to come do something to us?"
 
At the time Cheryl Brown and her 13 year old son Austin also spoke out. But they didn't use his real name. Brown says her son now lives with his father because of the backlash from speaking out. She too plans to move out of this development so she can put this behind her.  Brown told me off camera, that she's upset that her son's name was released without anyone notifying her a head of time.


Read more: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/19115782/george-zimmerman-case-witnesses-furious#ixzz21k1DNErU


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on July 26, 2012, 10:02:44 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-26/news/os-zimmerman-judge-poll-20120726_1_lowest-rated-judge-poll-participant-george-zimmerman

Zimmerman judge wins high marks in poll
6:09 p.m. EST, July 26, 2012

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr., who presides over the George Zimmerman murder case, is one of the highest-ranked jurists in Central Florida, according to a recent poll of criminal defense attorneys.

Lester, a 15-year veteran of the bench who works in Sanford, received uniformly high marks for his legal knowledge, demeanor, impartiality and diligence.

His overall score was 4.55, closer to "excellent" (5) than "good" (4) on the five-point scale used by the Central Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

The group annually polls its members, other defense attorneys and prosecutors, asking them to rate area judges who handle criminal cases on their legal knowledge, impartiality, demeanor and freedom from bias.

This year, they rated 70 judges.

The jurist with the highest rating is retired: O.H. Eaton Jr., a former Seminole circuit judge who earlier this year stepped back onto the bench to handle more than 15 trials at the Orange County Courthouse.

His most noteworthy came in February, when he acquitted Delores Laster, the former Orange County teacher charged with first-degree murder in a 20-year-old cold-case homicide.

Eaton picked a jury, listened to the state's evidence then threw out the case, citing a lack of evidence.

Eaton said Thursday that he was pleased but baffled by the poll results. He suspected, he said, that lawyers liked that he started on time and did his job.

Lester said he suspects he did well because he likes lawyers and, when he was in private practice, came to know what it's like to be in front of good judges and bad ones.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on July 26, 2012, 11:29:18 PM
My disgust is with the eerily soft spoken proven liar who drives a fab pick up yet can't pay his bills and needs free handouts from the public because he's too askeered for either he or his wife to get a job.  Oh, and he shot a kid and feels it was God's plan for him to do so. 

I just do not understand how anyone can believe what he says.  I watched the video of his reenactment and IMO it is so obvious he's lying.

Plus, talk about milking the system!  He wouldn't talk to Barbara Walters without her paying a month's worth of a hotel stay??  I LOL'd when he tried to call into her show the next morning and she refused to have him on air.

 ::snipping2::George Zimmerman, the man who fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, has started a website "to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries." ::snipping2::

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57411603/george-zimmerman-seeks-donations-on-his-new-website/

Blech!!  He wants to give his supporters his "full attention"... in exchange for more money.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

The truth becomes clearer with each passing day and GZ is going to be his own undoing.  I only hope he keeps on talking.



Amy's Sister, I don't believe George Zimmerman or his wife should risk getting a job at this time, considering the death threats they've received.  They are staying at a safe house for good reason in my opinion.



I absolutely agree. 
Might be difficult for them to get a job at this point, nevermind the fact that with death threats they might just be "askeered" to leave their home. Cant imagine why. I cant imagine for the life of me how anyone could possibly think these people are going to somehow live the high life with these donations. How much do u think this defense will cost? Thats not even figuring how much money it costs to simply have a safe place to live & food to eat. Somehow I doubt theyre eating steak & lobster & wearing armani.

See, here's where it get weird.  I never said steak and lobster or Armani, nor did I imply that.  He has family with whom he could have stayed before he lied to the judge but now he can't live out of state so that's out.  Was his wife threatened?  She also needed to leave her job?

I guess I do think $75 a day is a lot of money for food.  We are two hardworking people and we can't afford that.  I sure don't hold it against anyone who can and applaud folks who live comfortable lives but I just find it very uncomfortable when a man can give a one sided story about how he had to kill a kid and everyone just automatically believes him when he's a proven liar, then he goes public for donations and makes demands on interviewers.  It just creeps me out.

Had the police handled the investigation properly from the beginning this would not have escalated to what it has turned into.  The parents do have a leg to stand on with regards to this being a civil rights issue, not because of GZ's actions (with the exception of profiling) but because of LE and community leaders and their history with regards to people of color.  Others who actually live in the community have even posted here to that effect.


See heres where what gets weird? I dont recall directing anything toward you about steak & lobster. My point is that I cant imagine where people get the idea that theyre living high on donations. How much money do u think it costs to relocate to a safe house, eat & just live, nevermind what his legal fees are. How much do u think this defense will cost. Im quite sure his atty would take issue with them living extravagantly if hes not getting paid. My family eats like every other middle class family I know & I spend alot of money on food & everday necessities. Its not cheap. & frankly who the heck cares what the man eats. I do not in any way, shape or form believe he targeted this kid for being black. If your issue is how the police handled the investigation, direct your anger & hatred toward them. This man does not deserve to fear a lynching because those with an agenda made this into a race war. I am an rn like his wife & I sure as hell wouldnt want my safety threatened by having to work at the same place ad she does. dont venture into the abyss if u have such a hard time with opposing viewpoints.

You quoted me in your response kcrn which is an obvious indicator your post was directed toward me.

Thanks for using my jest in a mean and vicious way.  Real nice.


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Post by: MuffyBee on July 26, 2012, 11:50:38 PM
Not directed to anyone in particular, just a reminder...

I hope this thread can continue to stay open and dialog and discussion can continue in a reasonable manner.  I realize this case brings a lot of emotions and there are going to be varying opinions, especially since the case has not gone to trial yet. It's possible to express an opinion without offending others with a differing opinion.  I would encourage those with strong feelings particularly in threads like this one with hot button issues to think before they hit "post".  JMHO  ::bee::

BUMP


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Post by: crazybabyborg on July 26, 2012, 11:58:28 PM
You beat me to it, Muffy, but HEAR, HEAR!! The only thing I would add is to ask that the quote stacks get smaller!!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on July 27, 2012, 12:05:19 AM
You beat me to it, Muffy, but HEAR, HEAR!! The only thing I would add is to ask that the quote stacks get smaller!!


Yep, the quote stacks get really big sometimes.   ::piggy::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2012, 12:13:23 AM
There are no winners in this case, only losers.

Please stick to the case and do not attack each other.  If this thread continues to turn ugly, I'll simply close down the subject.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: kcrn on July 27, 2012, 12:17:47 AM
There are no winners in this case, only losers.

Please stick to the case and do not attack each other.  If this thread continues to turn ugly, I'll simply close down the subject.

Sorry klaas ::MonkeyNoNo::. I just hate how racial this case became so I get edgy. my disgust with how the racebaiters have been overlooked gets me riled..Wont happen again


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2012, 12:28:44 AM
IMO this is a very sad case that has been blown out of proportion from the beginning on both sides of the "isle".  Personally, I don't think either one of them is totally innocent.  It's just very sad. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on July 27, 2012, 01:35:59 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-parents-website-decries-threats-son-racist/story?id=16866964

Zimmerman Parents' New Website Decries Threats, Says Son Is No Racist
July 27, 2012

A week after George Zimmerman rolled out a revamped website, his parents have unveiled their own website, detailing in voluminous detail the upheaval and death threats suffered by three generations of the family after their son, 28, shot and killed Trayvon Martin, 17, on Feb. 26.
 
The younger Zimmerman's website, therealgeorgezimmerman.com, is an open appeal for donations to help pay for his legal fees, security and living expenses, and a forum to try to offer an unfiltered account of who George Zimmerman is.
 
The parents' site, called robertandgladys.com aims to counter the way their son has been "savagely portrayed in the media," and has a tab asking for contributions to their "greatly increased living expenses."
 
What follows is a painstaking detailed history of the family -- from Robert and Gladys Zimmerman's courtship in the late 1970s to the frenzied days after the shooting.
 
In his missive, Robert Zimmerman describes a barrage of threatening calls, the media "beating down our door" and death threats.
 
The worst came, he writes, after Rosanne Barr published the family's address and phone numbers.
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Post by: grace-land on July 28, 2012, 12:52:44 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/27/shellie-zimmerman-george-zimmerman-wife-perjury-charge_n_1712069.html

Shellie Zimmerman, George Zimmerman's Wife, Pleads Not Guilty On Perjury Charge
07/27/12 06:28 PM ET

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The wife of Trayvon Martin's shooter has entered a plea of not guilty on a perjury charge.

Shellie Zimmerman will be arraigned Tuesday in central Florida after a judge said she lied about her and husband George Zimmerman's finances during a bond hearing.

Shellie Zimmerman was arrested June 12 and released on bond the same day.

Her attorney Kelly Sims entered the written plea Friday and also waived Zimmerman's right to appear in court.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: grace-land on July 28, 2012, 01:29:23 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-27/news/os-shellie-zimmerman-plea-20120727_1_murder-defendant-sims-george-zimmerman

Shellie Zimmerman's perjury plea: Not guilty
8:09 p.m. EST, July 27, 2012

Shellie Zimmerman says she's not guilty of perjury.

Her new attorney, Kelly B. Sims, filed paperwork Friday entering that plea on her behalf. That means she won't have to show up at the Seminole County criminal building Tuesday for arraignment.
 ::snipping2::

Friday was the first time Sims, a board-certified criminal-trial specialist, was identified as Shellie Zimmerman's lawyer. The Orlando attorney has been practicing in Florida for more than 20 years and has worked on high-profile cases in the past.
 ::snipping2::

Sims couldn't be reached for comment Friday afternoon. His filings were received by the Seminole County clerk about 4:35 p.m., a court spokeswoman said.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: KittyMom on July 30, 2012, 10:21:43 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-taaffe-arrest-20120730,0,4514879.story

Neighbor who defended Zimmerman in interviews arrested on DUI charge
Monday, July 30, 2012

Frankly, I'd be drinking too after getting pulled into this crazy mess.


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Post by: jamcakes on July 30, 2012, 07:06:14 PM
http://mrctv.org/videos/michael-moore-doesnt-trayvon-martin-actually-have-right-kill-george-zimmerman

Michael Moore: 'Doesn't Trayvon Martin actually have the right to kill George Zimmerman?'


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Post by: grace-land on July 31, 2012, 12:46:17 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/30/justice/florida-zimmerman-wife/?hpt=us_c2

Zimmerman's wife pleads not guilty on perjury charge
updated 7:34 PM EDT, Mon July 30, 2012

(CNN) -- The wife of George Zimmerman will not be at her scheduled arraignment Tuesday after pleading not guilty to perjury for allegedly lying about the family's finances as her husband faced murder charges, a court official said.
 
Shellie Zimmerman's lawyer, Kelly Sims, on Friday entered a written not guilty plea and waiver for her not to personally appear at her arraignment, Seminole County, Florida, court spokeswoman Michelle Kennedy said Monday.
 
"Neither Ms. Zimmerman or her attorney are required to attend the arraignment," Kennedy said by e-mail. " "Ms. Zimmerman's name will remain on the docket, but her case will not be called."
 ::snipping2::
Kennedy, the court spokeswoman, also said Monday that she expected Lester to issue a ruling "sometime this week," though she did not indicate what it would be about.
 
Earlier in July, Zimmerman filed a motion in circuit court saying Zimmerman cannot get a fair trial because Lester used "gratuitous, disparaging" language in his second bail order.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: Toler on July 31, 2012, 02:40:57 PM
Controversy sparks over Trayvon Martin memorial
City of Sanford holds community meeting over 17-year-old's memorial
July 31 '12


CNN
 SANFORD, Fla. -
Controversy is sparking over the new location for a memorial for Trayvon Martin, the Sanford teen who was shot and killed by neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman.

Around 100 people attended a meeting Monday night over the relocation of a memorial from the Retreat at Twin Lakes neighborhood where Martin was shot and killed Feb. 26.

Some residents felt moving it was disrespectful to move it and saw it as a way to remember the 17-year-old.

"We want the memorial back up,"  said resident Turner Clayton of the NAACP. "It is not on display in the museum, it's packed away in a box."

Others who lived in the neighborhood wanted the memorial moved, saying it was an eyesore and cast their neighborhood in a bad light.

"They were taken to be preserved at the Sanford Museum," said Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte. "That angered some people."

The question over how to memorialize Martin grew into a discussion about what to do about the other 25 recent deaths in Sanford and if other memorials around town should be relocated. Clayton pointed out other memorials around town should be treated the same way.

"The city has not as of today answered any questions to my satisfaction as to why this particular memorial was removed in the first place," he said.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Controversy-sparks-over-Trayvon-Martin-memorial/-/1637132/15866622/-/t68dykz/-/index.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on July 31, 2012, 02:53:36 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-appointee-interfered-with-2008-black-panther-voter-intimidation-case
Obama appointee interfered with 2008 Black Panther voter intimidation case
JULY 31, 2012
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/99/70/9970586658758c4e5d15abbcf2db3218.png)
This is the group calling for GZ's life.  And this situation is one reason I don't trust that justice system can be blind and impartial in this case.


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Post by: grace-land on July 31, 2012, 07:40:39 PM
A two-page article

http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/George-Zimmerman-wants-out-of-Seminole-County/-/14266478/15887782/-/4k7wwu/-/index.html

George Zimmerman wants out of Seminole County
UPDATED 6:22 PM EDT Jul 31, 2012

ORLANDO -
George Zimmerman wants to change the terms of his probation that require him to live in Seminole County while he awaits trial.
 
His lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said one main concern is money. He said Seminole County is the most dangerous place for Zimmerman to live, and the cost of round-the-clock security is draining the defense fund.
 
"We're preparing to file a motion to modify George's bond to allow him to move out of Seminole County," said O'Mara.
 
If the money continues to go out faster than it comes in, the next step will be to declare him indigent.
 
"It has around $40,000 to $50,000 in it -- not as much coming in, and it's draining off due to things like providing security," he said.
 
Zimmerman posted a $1 million bond a little more than three weeks ago.
 
O'Mara said Zimmerman's much-talked-about interview failed to generate donations.
 
Criminal defense attorney Richard Hornsby said it's time for Zimmerman to cut costs, and he questions whether all that security is necessary.
 
"The close security made sense a few weeks ago, but things have died down as of late," he said.
 
One big obstacle to Zimmerman's motion is for Judge Ken Lester to disqualify himself. He is expected to decide by Friday
 ::snipping2::
Read more...


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on July 31, 2012, 07:49:20 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-31/news/os-zimmerman-judge-stand-your-ground-20120731_1_zimmerman-case-trayvon-martin-case-george-zimmerman

George Zimmerman judge holds 'stand your ground' hearing in another murder case
5:15 p.m. EST, July 31, 2012

SANFORD — The judge in the George Zimmerman case will hold a Stand Your Ground hearing Wednesday in the case of an Oviedo woman who says she shot her estranged husband while he was raping her.

Anita Smithey is charged with second-degree murder for shooting Robert Cline III.

Oviedo police found his body on her bedroom floor May 4, 2010. Smithey was screaming, crying, shaking and bleeding from a knife wound to the side, one that police say she admitted inflicting on herself after she killed the 41-year-old Cline.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 01, 2012, 11:27:29 AM
https://twitter.com/bobkealing/status/230645613090459648

8:46 AM - 1 Aug 12

#Breaking: Judge dismisses #Zimmerman motion to disqualify himself as "legally insufficient." #TrayvonMartin


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 01, 2012, 11:30:32 AM

George Zimmerman judge: No, I won't step aside


By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel

9:30 a.m. EST, August 1, 2012



http://www.realitychatter.com/t4044p950-george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-case-general-discussion-6


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 01, 2012, 11:31:41 AM
Judge Lester, official document

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2012/08/01/Order_Dismissing_Defendants_Motion_to_Disqualify_Trial_Judge.pdf




Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: jamcakes on August 01, 2012, 05:10:41 PM
With the judge not stepping down,it sounds like there may be grounds being set up for a future mistrial. Just a thought.


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Post by: grace-land on August 01, 2012, 05:35:43 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/01/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-blotter-idUS109273084220120801

Zimmerman's Judge Rejects Motion to Step Down
Wed Aug 1, 2012 6:21pm EDT

 ::snipping2::
So how did the judge reach his ruling?

It may seem a bit strange, but under Florida's Rules of Judicial Administration, the same judge who is accused of bias gets to decide whether he is in fact too biased to preside over the case in front of him.

In the motion asking George Zimmerman's judge to step down, Florida's rules required Judge Lester to "determine only the legal sufficiency of the motion." Zimmerman's motion failed that test, Judge Lester wrote in his ruling.

But the judge did not further explain why he found the motion insufficient. That's likely because Florida's rules explicitly state: "No other reason for denial shall be stated, and an order of denial shall not take issue with the motion."

Zimmerman's motion had accused Judge Lester of making opinionated remarks about evidence and "advocat[ing] for Mr. Zimmerman to be prosecuted for additional crimes" in his July 5 order setting bail.

In that order, Lester found Zimmerman "tried to manipulate the system" in allowing his wife Shellie to misrepresent their finances, according to Reuters. Shellie Zimmerman was arrested for perjury and has pleaded not guilty, according to CNN.

Prosecutors had opposed the motion asking George Zimmerman's judge to step down, Miami's WTVJ reports. Judge Lester's granting bail and other privileges to Zimmerman show the judge was not biased, prosecutors had argued.

Zimmerman, charged with second-degree murder in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin, can appeal Judge Lester's ruling, but has not yet decided whether to do so, the Orlando Sentinel reports.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 02, 2012, 07:00:45 PM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2018832537_apusneighborhoodwatchpolicechief.html

Emails show vitriol toward Sanford police chief
Originally published Thursday, August 2, 2012 at 9:23 AM

SANFORD, Fla. —
In his waning days as Sanford police chief, Bill Lee received blistering emails with every curse word imaginable, criticizing him for not immediately arresting George Zimmerman for fatally shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
 
Emails obtained by The Associated Press show he also got requests for media interviews from as far away as Qatar's Al Jazeera network and letters of support from other law enforcement officers nationwide. Emails from the scholarly website, racismreview.com, and the media monitoring site, TVEyes, started showing up in his inbox even though he hadn't subscribed to them.
 
"The truth will come out later," Lee wrote in an email to a supporter.
 
Martin's Feb. 26 death in a gated community in the Orlando suburb of Sanford first drew national attention on March 8, the day his relatives held their first news conference to draw attention that Zimmerman hadn't been arrested. Zimmerman wouldn't be charged with second-degree murder until 44 days after the shooting. During that time, protesters around the nation demanded Zimmerman's arrest, and the Sanford Police Department was accused of racism and incompetence
 ::snipping2::
By mid-March, as the fury was building, Lee sent out an email to his officers, warning them to take precautions when responding to calls given that emotions were running high. He also defended his department's actions.
 
"Be courteous and professional when members of the community may voice their position and disdain for the police department," he wrote. "The investigation of this incident was complete and unbiased. There is no reason for anyone in the police department to feel we have done anything but a professional job in providing police service and trying to rebuild the trust of the community."


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 05, 2012, 12:02:26 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-04/news/os-trayvon-martin-young-blacks-flier-20120803_1_trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-sanford-man

Flier suggests deaths of young black males ignored — cops disagree
9:55 p.m. EST, August 4, 2012

A flier being circulated in Sanford's Goldsboro community shows the faces of eight young black males, including Trayvon Martin, who died violently.

The missive, still being handed out nearly six months after Trayvon's shooting and four months after George Zimmerman was charged in his death, states that the victims' families have yet to receive justice.

"Our young black men are dying at a far greater rate than they should be," the flier states. "They are being killed for meaningless reasons, and the sad thing about it is that their murders are going unresolved."

The flier continues: "These young men pictured above are just a few of Sanford's young men that have been murdered, and the families have yet to receive justice for them."

Though details of Trayvon's case are widely known, court documents and police reports in the other killings show that law-enforcement officials have pursued the cases and prosecuted some individuals. Here's a synopsis of each killing:

•Corey Donaldson, 34, was at a home on Cypress Avenue in October when he and three other men were shot. Donaldson died, and the three others were hospitalized, including the nephew of legendary Major League Baseball player Tim "Rock" Raines. Tremaine Patrick, 29, turned himself in to police a day later. He is charged with second-degree murder, aggravated battery and shooting into a building. He has pleaded not guilty.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: sharon on August 05, 2012, 08:32:37 AM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/04/2933157/the-trayvon-martin-truth-squad.html


Posted on Sunday, 08.05.12

The Trayvon Martin truth squad: a Web phenomenon

Everybody needs a hobby. For these folks, it’s obsessively digging through evidence and theorizing what really happened.


By Frances Robles
frobles@MiamiHerald.com

While other people watch reality shows, a marketing specialist in Michigan who goes by the name “Bcclist” spends time in his yard, calculating Trayvon Martin’s last steps with a tape measure and smartphone stop watch.

He is joined on the Internet by Dave Turner, an Illinois man who had his sons yell in the dark from a distance of 30 feet to see whether he could tell which one cried for help.

Both men are often guided by the work of “Tchoupi,” an engineer with a Ph.D. in physics who has spent countless hours making maps, analyzing witness statements and fleeting headlight patterns in surveillance videos to compute George Zimmerman’s moves the night he killed Trayvon.

The three are among a growing group of people on the Internet so fascinated by the mystery of the killing that captivated the nation that they are out to crack the case themselves. They listen to jailhouse calls, pore over witness statements, study evidentiary documents and measure walking speeds.

After hundreds of hours going through the records, some believe they have debunked Zimmerman’s account of what happened that rainy Feb. 26 night in a gated community in Sanford, when the former neighborhood watch volunteer says he was jumped by Trayvon and was forced to kill him during a struggle. Others say the same evidence points a finger at Trayvon, the 17-year-old Miami Gardens high school junior who they believe contributed to his own death. Zimmerman has been charged with second-degree murder.

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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 06, 2012, 02:29:09 AM
Next court date for GZ is this Wednesday, August 8, at 8:30 a.m., Docket Sounding.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 06, 2012, 10:57:54 AM
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/08/06/49017.htm

Monday, August 06, 2012
Insurer Denies Coverage to HOA in Trayvon Martin's Death

ORLANDO (CN) - Traveler's Insurance sued Trayvon Martin's mother and The Retreat at Twin Lakes Homeowners' Association, where her son was killed, claiming it has no responsibility to defend the HOA or cover the teen-ager's death.
     Travelers Casualty and Surety Company of America sued The Retreat at Twin Lakes Homeowners' Association and Sybrina Fulton, as representative of her son's estate, in Federal Court.
     The Retreat at Twin Lakes' Neighborhood Watch captain George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin to death on Feb. 26.
     The shooting set off a national furor, as police initially let Martin's killer, George Zimmerman, go free after questioning him. Martin was black; Zimmerman is not.
     Travelers claims that on March 30, it issued the HOA a "claims-made, nonprofit management and organization liability insurance policy.
     Fulton then sought monetary damages against the HOA's Travelers' policy, for her son's death.
     Travelers claims it is not liable because of the policy's "wrongful act" exclusion.
     Travelers claims the exclusion states: "'The insurer shall not liable to make any payment for loss in connection with any claim made against any of its insureds: 1) based upon, arising out of, directly or indirectly resulting from, in consequence of, or in any way involving bodily injury, sickness, mental anguish, emotional distress, disease or death of a person, provided that this exclusion shall not apply to allegations of mental anguish or emotional distress if an only to the extent that such allegations are made as part of a claim for wrongful employment practices.'
     "Travelers is in doubt of its rights under the policy and, by this petition, seeks a declaration of its rights and obligations with respect to the claim and demand made by Fulton upon Travelers and The Retreat at Twin Lakes as a result of the fatal shooting or Martin, and a finding by the court that under the above-referenced policy of insurance Travelers has no duty to indemnify or defend The Retreat at Twin Lakes in connection with the Fulton claim because coverage is precluded by the above exclusion."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on August 06, 2012, 11:47:40 AM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEIGHBORHOOD_WATCH_CLAIM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-08-06-11-11-41

TRAYVON MARTIN'S PARENTS SEEK MONEY FROM FLA. FUND

Aug 6, 11:22 AM EDT

Quote
The state Attorney General's Office, which administers the Crimes Compensation Trust Fund, refused to disclose the sum sought by Fulton and her former husband, Tracy Martin. Payouts can reach $30,000.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: sharon on August 06, 2012, 11:57:55 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/george-zimmermans-parents-fund_n_1738747.html

George Zimmerman's Parents, Robert And Gladys Zimmerman, Start Fund To Help Pay Bills

The Huffington Post  |  By Eleanor Goldberg Posted: 08/03/2012 5:43 pm

The bills are mounting for George Zimmerman’s mom and dad and they’re calling on donors for help.

The parents of Zimmerman, the neighborhood watchman charged with second-degree murder for fatally shooting unarmed Florida teen Trayvon Martin, have established an online fund to help pay their living expenses. On the recently-launched donation site, Zimmerman’s dad, Robert, writes about his medical bills and how he and his wife, Gladys, have been on the move since the February shooting.

“We fully realize that the peaceful, secure life we once knew is now just a memory,” Robert writes. “Therefore, I am providing a link for those supporters who would like to leave us a personal message or contribute to our greatly increased living expenses, and our eventual relocation.”

Before retiring, Robert served in the U.S. Army for 21 years and Gladys was a physical education teacher before working at a court in Virginia, according to the site. The two initially asked only for prayers after the shooting and their son's arrest, but now say that they need monetary support.

According to the site, Robert is suffering from numerous health conditions, including rheumatoid arthritis and heart problems. After receiving a number of death threats, the Zimmermans say they have also been forced to pay to frequently relocate.

“Gladys and I have planned and worked hard our entire married life (36 years) in order that someday we would be able to spend some quality, peaceful time together in our retirement years,” Robert writes. “Our dreams ended on February 26th.”

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on August 06, 2012, 02:04:07 PM
Trayvon Martin's parents seek money from Fla. fund
Aug 6 '12
 
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- Trayvon Martin's mother has asked for an undisclosed amount of money from a state fund set up to help crime victims with things like funeral expenses and counseling, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

The documents, obtained through a public records request, show Sybrina Fulton applied for the compensation benefits after her son was fatally shot last February by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman in a gated community in Sanford, Fla. It was not immediately clear how Martin's family would use the money.

The state Attorney General's Office, which administers the Crimes Compensation Trust Fund, refused to disclose the sum sought by Fulton and her former husband, Tracy Martin. Payouts can reach $30,000.  ::snipping2:: 

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEIGHBORHOOD_WATCH_CLAIM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-08-06-11-11-41
 



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 06, 2012, 07:46:17 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/trayvon-martins-mother-seeks-money-from-homeowners-association-and-crime-victims-fund/2012/08/06/72d49ace-dfff-11e1-8d48-2b1243f34c85_story.html

Trayvon Martin’s mother seeks money from homeowners’ association and crime victims’ fund
Updated: Monday, August 6, 2:51

ORLANDO, Fla. — Trayvon Martin’s mother is asking for at least $75,000 from the homeowners’ association of the gated community where her teenage son was fatally shot by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, court documents show.
 ::snipping2::
Notes taken by a victims’ advocate who works for the State Attorney’s Office in Sanford show that Tracy Martin had a life insurance policy through his employer that paid for most of the expenses incurred from Trayvon Martin’s death. Despite that, Tracy Martin still had out-of-pocket expenses of $1,300, according to the notes in the records obtained by the AP.

The Attorney General’s Office paid out more than $25 million in the 2010-11 fiscal year to more than 16,000 compensation claims.

Money for the fund comes from court fees assessed on offenders, as well as other sources. Applicants can be reimbursed for lost wages, funeral expenses, medical expenses and mental health counseling.

Fulton’s friend filed the initial application on her behalf as a favor, but Fulton hasn’t had time to fill out the paperwork needed to process the claim, said Ben Crump, an attorney for Martin’s parents. She didn’t want to disclose how much she was applying for and what expenses the money would cover, Crump said.

“She has a big stack of papers at her house,” Crump said. “I’m going to encourage her to fill it out.”

A hearing on the scheduling of Zimmerman’s trial is set for later this week


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on August 06, 2012, 07:52:59 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/george-zimmermans-parents-fund_n_1738747.html

George Zimmerman's Parents, Robert And Gladys Zimmerman, Start Fund To Help Pay Bills

The Huffington Post  |  By Eleanor Goldberg Posted: 08/03/2012 5:43 pm

The bills are mounting for George Zimmerman’s mom and dad and they’re calling on donors for help.

The parents of Zimmerman, the neighborhood watchman charged with second-degree murder for fatally shooting unarmed Florida teen Trayvon Martin, have established an online fund to help pay their living expenses. On the recently-launched donation site, Zimmerman’s dad, Robert, writes about his medical bills and how he and his wife, Gladys, have been on the move since the February shooting.

“We fully realize that the peaceful, secure life we once knew is now just a memory,” Robert writes. “Therefore, I am providing a link for those supporters who would like to leave us a personal message or contribute to our greatly increased living expenses, and our eventual relocation.”

Before retiring, Robert served in the U.S. Army for 21 years and Gladys was a physical education teacher before working at a court in Virginia, according to the site. The two initially asked only for prayers after the shooting and their son's arrest, but now say that they need monetary support.
According to the site, Robert is suffering from numerous health conditions, including rheumatoid arthritis and heart problems. After receiving a number of death threats, the Zimmermans say they have also been forced to pay to frequently relocate.

“Gladys and I have planned and worked hard our entire married life (36 years) in order that someday we would be able to spend some quality, peaceful time together in our retirement years,” Robert writes. “Our dreams ended on February 26th.”

 ::snipping2::


I think the writer meant to say that Robert Zimmerman and not his wife worked for the Virginia court after retiring from the military.  He was a judicial magistrate from 2000-2006. 

http://thegrio.com/2012/03/29/robert-j-zimmerman-trayvon-shooters-dad-a-magistrate-in-virginia-court-system/

"From the Virginia judicial website, it’s clear that Zimmerman’s duties had much to do with dealing with people under arrest:

In many instances, a citizen’s first contact with Virginia’s Judicial System comes through the office of the magistrate. A principal function of the magistrate is to provide an independent, unbiased review of complaints of criminal conduct brought to the office by law enforcement or the general public. Magistrate duties include issuing various types of processes such as arrest warrants, summonses, bonds, search warrants, subpoenas, and certain civil warrants. Magistrates also conduct bail hearings in instances in which an individual is arrested on a warrant charging him or her with a criminal offense. Magistrates provide services on an around-the-clock basis, conducting hearings in person or through the use of videoconferencing systems.

The magistrate system for the Commonwealth (of Virginia) is divided into eight regions, and each magistrate is authorized to exercise his or her powers throughout the magisterial region for which he or she is appointed. Each region is comprised of between three and five judicial districts. There are magistrate offices located throughout Virginia, including at least one in each of Virginia’s 32 judicial districts.

An ABC affiliate in Florida posted a statement from Kristi Wright, with the Department of Legislative and Public Relations in Virginia, which read:

“Robert J. Zimmerman served as a full-time magistrate from 2000-2006.""


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on August 06, 2012, 08:34:03 PM
Robert J. Zimmerman, Trayvon shooter's dad, a magistrate in Virginia court system
by Joy-Ann Reid | March 29, 2012 at 6:21 PM


***I forgot to include the date of the original article in the link I provided in my previous post


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Post by: Amys Sister on August 06, 2012, 08:59:41 PM
The link to Robert Zimmerman's blog/donation site:

http://robertandgladys.com/

I do feel badly that they have been threatened but I wonder why Robert failed to mention he was a judicial magistrate for seven years after retiring from the military?


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Post by: grace-land on August 07, 2012, 12:51:47 AM
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/George-Zimmerman-s-attorney-to-speak-at-gun-rights-conference/-/1637132/15990484/-/llrtrm/-/index.html

George Zimmerman's attorney to speak at gun-rights conference
Published On: Aug 06 2012 07:27:19 PM EDT

ORLANDO, Fla. -
Local 6 has learned the attorney for George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watchman who shot and killed Trayvon Martin, is speaking at a grassroots activists group for national gun rights in Orlando.

Mark O'Mara will speak at the 27th Annual Gun Rights Policy Conference (GRPC 2012) in Orlando, FL at the Hyatt Regency Orlando International Airport hotel September 28- 30.

According to a release, the conference will focus on city gun bans, "smart" guns, concealed carry, federal legislation, legal actions, gun show regulation, state and local activity.
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Post by: sharon on August 07, 2012, 07:22:34 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/george-zimmermans-parents-fund_n_1738747.html

George Zimmerman's Parents, Robert And Gladys Zimmerman, Start Fund To Help Pay Bills

The Huffington Post  |  By Eleanor Goldberg Posted: 08/03/2012 5:43 pm

The bills are mounting for George Zimmerman’s mom and dad and they’re calling on donors for help.

The parents of Zimmerman, the neighborhood watchman charged with second-degree murder for fatally shooting unarmed Florida teen Trayvon Martin, have established an online fund to help pay their living expenses. On the recently-launched donation site, Zimmerman’s dad, Robert, writes about his medical bills and how he and his wife, Gladys, have been on the move since the February shooting.

“We fully realize that the peaceful, secure life we once knew is now just a memory,” Robert writes. “Therefore, I am providing a link for those supporters who would like to leave us a personal message or contribute to our greatly increased living expenses, and our eventual relocation.”

Before retiring, Robert served in the U.S. Army for 21 years and Gladys was a physical education teacher before working at a court in Virginia, according to the site. The two initially asked only for prayers after the shooting and their son's arrest, but now say that they need monetary support.
According to the site, Robert is suffering from numerous health conditions, including rheumatoid arthritis and heart problems. After receiving a number of death threats, the Zimmermans say they have also been forced to pay to frequently relocate.

“Gladys and I have planned and worked hard our entire married life (36 years) in order that someday we would be able to spend some quality, peaceful time together in our retirement years,” Robert writes. “Our dreams ended on February 26th.”

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I think the writer meant to say that Robert Zimmerman and not his wife worked for the Virginia court after retiring from the military.  He was a judicial magistrate from 2000-2006. 

http://thegrio.com/2012/03/29/robert-j-zimmerman-trayvon-shooters-dad-a-magistrate-in-virginia-court-system/

"From the Virginia judicial website, it’s clear that Zimmerman’s duties had much to do with dealing with people under arrest:

In many instances, a citizen’s first contact with Virginia’s Judicial System comes through the office of the magistrate. A principal function of the magistrate is to provide an independent, unbiased review of complaints of criminal conduct brought to the office by law enforcement or the general public. Magistrate duties include issuing various types of processes such as arrest warrants, summonses, bonds, search warrants, subpoenas, and certain civil warrants. Magistrates also conduct bail hearings in instances in which an individual is arrested on a warrant charging him or her with a criminal offense. Magistrates provide services on an around-the-clock basis, conducting hearings in person or through the use of videoconferencing systems.

The magistrate system for the Commonwealth (of Virginia) is divided into eight regions, and each magistrate is authorized to exercise his or her powers throughout the magisterial region for which he or she is appointed. Each region is comprised of between three and five judicial districts. There are magistrate offices located throughout Virginia, including at least one in each of Virginia’s 32 judicial districts.

An ABC affiliate in Florida posted a statement from Kristi Wright, with the Department of Legislative and Public Relations in Virginia, which read:

“Robert J. Zimmerman served as a full-time magistrate from 2000-2006.""


Thanks Amys Sister!  It is a very poorly written sentence, grammatically! 

Thanks for clarifying the correct interpretation :-)


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Post by: grace-land on August 07, 2012, 10:52:35 AM
http://www.businessinsider.com/george-zimmerman-wins-motion-to-postpone-his-case-2012-8

George Zimmerman Wins Motion To Postpone His Case
Aug. 7, 2012, 9:14 AM

George Zimmerman, the man who shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, has been awarded his second request to extend his case.
 
His motion to continue was granted Tuesday morning, according to documents released by the Florida State Attorney's Office.
 
Zimmerman is now scheduled to appear in court at 8:30 a.m. on Oct. 3.

Read more...


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Post by: Puzzler on August 07, 2012, 01:00:56 PM
Trayvon Martin's Parents Seek Money From Fla. Fund
August 6, 2012 (AP)

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trayvon-martins-parents-seek-money-fla-fund-16939320



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Post by: Toler on August 07, 2012, 05:15:37 PM
http://www.scribd.com/doc/102137334/Cover-Sheet

http://www.scribd.com/doc/102137336/Petition-for-Declaratory-Relief

http://www.scribd.com/doc/102137339/Plaintiff-Exhibit-A


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Post by: Toler on August 07, 2012, 07:31:38 PM
Sybrina Fulton Shares The Similarities Between Russell Simmons & Maya Angelou
Aug 5 '12

Sybrina Fulton has gone through the hardest year of her life, losing her son Trayvon Martin at the hands of George Zimmerman, and fighting endlessly to seek justice, but somehow she has still come out on top.

The mother of two took some time out of her busy schedule last weekend to attend Russell Simmons' 13th annual Art For Life charity event.  ::snipping2:: 

Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/sybrina-fulton-shares-similarities-between-russell-simmons-maya-angelou#ixzz22uDi7EIC

Video at link


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Post by: grace-land on August 07, 2012, 08:14:20 PM
http://gzlegalcase.com/

Zimmerman Defense Files Motion to Continue
on 07 August 2012.

The Court granted the defense team’s Motion to Continue, which postpones the Docket Sounding scheduled on Wednesday August 8 until October 3. The purpose of a Docket Sounding is to provide the Court with an update regarding the progress of the case, and to establish a timeline for official legal proceedings, whether that be motion hearings, disposition, or trial.

We filed our Motion to Continue because there is still a great deal of information to be gathered regarding this case, and we are in the early stages of preparing our reciprocal discovery -- a process that can take a few months -- and it is simply too early in the process to set firm trial dates.

This motion is consistent with a rough timeline for defending Mr. Zimmerman that we described in a release dated June 1, a timeline that includes: drafting discovery requests and working through potential resistance; deposing more than 50 potential witnesses and experts; and filing appropriate motions (including a potential “stand your ground” motion).

Moreover, since our June 1 statement, a number of issues, including the revocation of Mr. Zimmerman’s bond and our Motion to Disqualify Trial Judge, have added to the complexity of the defense process.

Moving forward, we expect there will be additional motions to continue, and it is anticipated, though not certain, that this case will not be ready for trial until early next year.
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Post by: Puzzler on August 09, 2012, 07:40:04 AM
http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/press-releases/42-there-will-be-a-stand-your-ground-hearing-in-the-george-zimmerman-case


There Will Be A "Stand Your Ground" Hearing in the George Zimmerman Case
on 09 August 2012.

       

Since the beginning, there has been a rush to judgement in the case against George Zimmerman. Since the first day of his involvement, Mr. O’Mara has emphasized that people should be patient and wait for the evidence to be released before forming opinions about the case.
 
Now that the State has released the majority of their discovery, the defense asserts that there is clear support for a strong claim of self-defense. Consistent with this claim of self-defense, there will be a “Stand Your Ground” hearing.
 
In the case against George Zimmerman, a “Stand Your Ground” hearing will essentially be a mini-trial. Most of the arguments, witnesses, experts, and evidence that the defense would muster in a criminal trial will be presented in the “Stand Your Ground” hearing.
 
There are significant differences between a “Stand Your Ground” hearing and a trial. In a “Stand Your Ground” hearing, there is no jury; the decision is made by the judge alone. In a criminal trial, the prosecution must prove the defendant’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, but in a “Stand Your Ground” hearing, the burden is on the defense to prove that the evidence fits the conditions of the “Stand Your Ground” law. If the Court rules in favor of the defendant in a “Stand Your Ground” hearing, not only are criminal charges dismissed, the defendant is also immune from civil actions related to the shooting. The primary focus of a “Stand Your Ground” hearing is whether George Zimmerman reasonably believed that his use of his weapon was necessary to prevent great bodily harm to himself at the hands of Trayvon Martin.
 
Preparing for the “Stand Your Ground” hearing will require the same time and resources that would be necessary to prepare for a trial. It will take time to collect and submit reciprocal discovery, depose witnesses and experts, and identify evidence to be submitted during the hearing. We anticipate this will still take several months. Mr. O’Mara, again, urges everyone to be patient during this process and to reserve judgment until the evidence is presented in the “Stand Your Ground” hearing.


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Post by: MuffyBee on August 09, 2012, 08:58:07 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/09/tand-your-ground-hearing-could-potentially-clear-zimmerman-in-trayvon-martin/
'Stand Your Ground' hearing could potentially clear Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin shooting
August 9, 2012

George Zimmerman, accused in the shooting death of Florida teen Trayvon Martin, could be cleared of a second-degree murder charge if a judge rules in his favor in a new "Stand Your Ground" hearing.

Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara announced on his website  Thursday that there will be a "Stand Your Ground" hearing based on his client's claim he shot the unarmed teen in self-defense. A finding in Zimmerman's favor would end the criminal case against him, as well as immunizing him from civil action.

"Now that the State has released the majority of their discovery, the defense asserts that there is clear support for a strong claim of self-defense. Consistent with this claim of self-defense, there will be a 'Stand Your Ground' hearing," said O'Mara in a statement.

The law allows people to use deadly force, rather than retreat, if they believe their lives are in danger.

O'Mara described the hearing as a "mini-trial," with arguments, witnesses, experts and evidence that would be included in a criminal trial, but without a jury.
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Post by: iluvmua on August 09, 2012, 03:33:41 PM
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/george-zimmerman-records-mistakenly-released-684512


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Post by: grace-land on August 09, 2012, 04:47:02 PM
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/08/prosecutors-accidentally-released-dead-trayvon-martin-photo.html

Today at 4:26 PM  (August 9, 2012)
Florida Prosecutors Accidentally Released a Photo of Trayvon Martin’s Body

The office of Special Prosecutor Angela Corey delivered 76 pages of new evidence to the media today, but inadvertently included a photograph of Trayvon Martin's dead body, along with school records for accused murderer George Zimmerman. The 17-year-old Martin can be seen face-down on a lawn after being shot in a black-and-white photocopied version of a picture taken by a witness. An aide for Corey followed the mistaken release with an e-mail noting that the "photo depicting the killing of a person" was "confidential and exempt" from public disclosure according to state law, but as of now, The Smoking Gun has published the grainy image.
 
The Orlando Sentinel, which opted not to include the photo, reports that "Corey's office released all of the documents, then retracted the majority," including Zimmerman's grades, which "show that contrary to what Zimmerman has said, he did not graduate from Seminole State College because he failed an astronomy class in the fall of 2011."
 
Among the public evidence is the disturbing detail that Martin's blood was found on the now-symbolic bag of Skittles he was carrying the night he died.
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Post by: grace-land on August 09, 2012, 05:03:50 PM
http://thegrio.com/2012/08/09/new-evidence-released-in-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-case/

New evidence released in Zimmerman-Trayvon Martin case
August 9, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Prosecutors in the case of George Zimmerman, who is charged with second degree murder in the February 26th killing of Trayvon Martin, released new evidence Thursday, including Zimmerman’s college records, and the 911 call Martin’s father placed to Sanford, Florida police when his son failed to return to the house where the two were visiting.
 
The 76 pages of new evidence — part of which the state tried to recall shortly after releasing it to members of the news media — also included photos taken by a witness of the back of Zimmerman’s head on the night of the shooting inside the Retreat at Twin Lakes gated community, and a grainy, barely distinguishable picture of Trayvon Martin’s body, also apparently taken by the witness at the shooting scene.
 
The document release included an evidence receipt, listing items including the medical blanket used to cover the Miami teen’s body after the shooting, Zimmerman’s car keys, blood evidence collected from the bag of Skittles candy Martin was carrying at the time of his confrontation with Zimmerman, and from a flashlight found at the scene, audio recordings of witness interviews, and photos of Martin taken during the autopsy.
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Post by: sharon on August 10, 2012, 07:15:33 AM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/09/2943103/records-show-zimmerman-got-ds.html

Posted on Thursday, 08.09.12

Records show George Zimmerman got D’s in criminal justice classes


Prosecutors accidentally released his academic record, which is normally exempt from Florida’s public-records laws. Also released by mistake: A photograph of Trayvon Martin’s corpse.

By Frances Robles
frobles@MiamiHerald.com

Prosecutors trying George Zimmerman on a second-degree murder charge accidentally released protected evidence Thursday, sending journalists and bloggers around the nation private academic transcripts showing that the neighborhood watch volunteer who aspired to become a judge did poorly on the classes in his major, criminal justice.

The prosecution also accidentally released a photo of Trayvon Martin’s body, which both sides in the case had agreed to keep from public view. The corpse photo was a grainy cellphone picture taken in the dark by one of the people who lives near the shooting scene. It was posted Thursday on blogs that subscribe to the Duval County State Attorney’s media email list.

Prosecutors recalled an email which contained Zimmerman’s academic records from his Virginia high school and Seminole State College, in Sanford, where he studied criminal justice, but many media outlets had already reviewed the material. The records show Zimmerman’s mediocre grades had led to academic probation.

He got D’s in Introduction to Criminal Justice and Juvenile Delinquency, and a C in a course called Evil Minds -Violent Predators. He failed algebra and astronomy and had been placed on academic probation in 2011.

At one point, his grade-point average dropped to a .5. His A’s in English, criminal litigation and a Marriage and Family class boosted his overall G.P.A. to 2.3.

In late 2011, he was declined an associate’s degree because he had failed a class and did not have the credits to graduate. He was expelled from the school about three weeks after the killing, when the struggling student suddenly became the focus of a national media firestorm for having killed an unarmed teenager.

Zimmerman claimed he shot Trayvon in self-defense after the Miami Gardens teen attacked him.

Legal experts said prosecutors probably reviewed Zimmerman’s school records because they could suggest that he had enough knowledge of criminal justice to concoct a self defense claim on the fly.

“To the extent that he had some knowledge of self defense, he would have been able to put together a story that made some sense,” said Frederick Leatherman, a retired Seattle defense lawyer and legal-issues blogger who has reviewed all the Zimmerman case evidence. “As he conjured up this story, he didn’t know that a lot of the forensics would not match.”

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Post by: grace-land on August 10, 2012, 07:16:54 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/justice/florida-trayvon-accidental-release/index.html

Florida prosecutors mistakenly release confidential Zimmerman case documents
updated 5:25 AM EDT, Fri August 10, 2012

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In his six-page order sealing some court documents in June, Lester noted the media scrutiny of the case.
 
"News stories have been routinely disseminated presenting opinion and rumors as fact. Any person who has logged onto a news website in the last three months has at the least seen a headline relating to the case," he wrote. "As noted, common sense tells this court that the full disclosure of information, as sought by the media interveners, will irreparably harm the ... ability to receive a fair trial."


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Post by: grace-land on August 13, 2012, 01:54:19 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-13/news/os-george-zimmerman-press-conference-20120813_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-mark-o-mara

George Zimmerman's lawyers to hold press conference
1:06 p.m. EST, August 13, 2012

George Zimmerman's legal team is expected to hold a press conference this afternoon at lead attorney Mark O'Mara's downtown Orlando offices.

 O'Mara is expected to talk about his intention to request a hearing under Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law. If granted immunity under that law, Zimmerman would be immune from prosecution.

O'Mara is also expected to address the accidental release last week of his client's educational records by prosecutors.
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The press conference is scheduled for 1:30 p.m. This is a developing story. Check back later for updates.



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Post by: grace-land on August 13, 2012, 01:56:40 PM
http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/press-releases

Zimmerman Defense Files Petition for Writ of Prohibition
on 13 August 2012.

On July 13, the defense team filed a Verified Motion to Disqualify Trial Judge. Judge Lester responded on August 1 by issuing an Order Dismissing Defendant's Verified Motion to Disqualify Trial Judge on the basis that it was legally insufficient. Today the defense team will file a Petition for Writ of Prohibition with the 5th District Court of Appeal.
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Post by: grace-land on August 13, 2012, 02:27:33 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-13/news/os-george-zimmerman-press-conference-20120813_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-mark-o-mara

George Zimmerman's lawyer to appeal judge's decision to stay on case
1:53 p.m. EST, August 13, 2012

George Zimmerman's lawyer is pushing forward with his fight for a new judge.

Mark O'Mara announced today that he will challenge a decision by Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. to stay on the case.

In court paperwork, O'Mara had asked Lester to step aside. That's because of a bond order in which the judge described Zimmerman as a manipulator and suggested that he might face contempt of court charges for helping hide $130,000.

But Lester on Aug. 1 rejected the request, writing only that O'Mara's pleading was legally insufficient.

O'Mara had 30 days to file an appeal. Today he said he would..
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Post by: grace-land on August 13, 2012, 03:02:35 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/lawyer-george-zimmerman-has-to-live-like-a-hermit-2012-8

Lawyer: George Zimmerman Has To Live 'Like A Hermit'
14 minutes ago (August 13, 2012)

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"If we had a true conversation," regarding the night Martin died and Zimmerman's case, the defense would be in a "much different position in this case," O'Mara said.
 
"He's not doing well," O'Mara said of Zimmerman. "He's getting by."
 
The appeals court will get to O'Mara's motion as quickly as it can, he said Monday. In the meantime, the defense is preparing for Zimmerman's "Stand Your Ground" hearing, meaning the judge can decide whether Zimmerman acted in justifiable self-defense when he shot and killed Martin.
 
Preparation for the full trial later on will take about four to five months, O'Mara said.
 
However, O'Mara said he doesn't like the term "Stand Your Ground" since it implies his client had the chance to leave but didn't do so.
 
"People look at 'Stand Your Ground' and they immediately think someone's standing there with deadly force," O'Mara said.
 
In this case, Zimmerman was reacting to having his nose broken and reacting to the fact that he felt he was being attacked, O'Mara said in his press conference.
 
In regards to the Florida state attorney mistakenly releasing Zimmerman's unredacted school records, O'Mara said he does believe it was a mistake, however  he called it "a little bit frustrating" that people are so interested in Zimmerman's school and medical records.
 
"Is it particularly relevant he went to school?" O'Mara said.

Read more...


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Post by: sharon on August 13, 2012, 03:17:17 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/13/2949940/zimmerman-defense-appeals-judges.html


Posted on Monday, 08.13.12

Trayvon Martin case
Zimmerman defense appeals judge’s refusal to step down
 
Defense attorney Mark O’Mara asked the Fifth District Court of Appeal to review the trial judge’s refusal to remove himself from the case, after the defense requested it citing what it considers bias against their client.

By Frances Robles
Frobles@MiamiHerald.com

George Zimmerman’s defense attorney asked a higher court Monday to reconsider the judge’s refusal to step down from the case.

Mark O’Mara filed a motion last month asking Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth R. Lester to recuse himself. Citing the judge’s scathing order setting bond at $1 million — in which the judge accused Zimmerman of getting read to skip town with a cache of donations — the defense said it has lost faith in the judge’s objectivity.

Judge Lester flatly rejected the request to step down, saying it had no legal merit.

Now O’Mara wants the Fifth District Court of Appeal to reconsider Lester’s ruling. He filed a 27-page motion at the Daytona Beach courthouse Monday afternoon.

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Post by: grace-land on August 13, 2012, 05:30:03 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/zimmermans-attorney-holds-news-conference/nQ9gM/

Updated: 4:34 p.m. Monday, Aug. 13, 2012 | Posted: 2:15 p.m. Monday, Aug. 13, 2012
Zimmerman's attorney asks higher court to remove judge from case

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O'Mara said Monday he expects the court to act quickly, but said it could take several weeks for a ruling.

"It's their timeline. As an 'extraordinary writ' they do try and get to it quickly, but that quickly could mean several weeks," said O'Mara.

Officials said the state and/or the judge generally has 20 days to respond to the appeal and an additional five days to mail it.  Zimmerman's legal team then has another 10 days to respond and five days to mail it.
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“It’s on the fence as to whether the Fifth District Court of Appeal is going to order Judge Lester removed from the case,” said WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer. “However, I wouldn't be surprised because of the language we saw in the judge's order setting bond.”

O'Mara also said the defense plans to try to get the case dismissed under traditional self-defense and not Florida's "stand your ground" statute.
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Post by: grace-land on August 13, 2012, 05:41:28 PM
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/13/13261830-george-zimmermans-attorney-appeals-judges-decision-to-stay-on-case

George Zimmerman's attorney appeals judge's decision to stay on case
53 minutes ago  (August 13, 2012)

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O’Mara also discussed his recent announcement that the defense will seek a hearing under Florida’s controversial “stand your ground” law, telling reporters that he believes the facts of the case show that Zimmerman had no option but to shoot.

“Facts do not seem to support a stand your ground case,” O’Mara said. “I think the facts suggest in this case that what probably happened was my client was reacting to having his nose broken.”

Watch the most-viewed videos on NBCNews.com

O’Mara also said that Zimmerman will seek permission from Lester – or, if his appeal succeeds, a new judge – to leave Seminole County because he is living in fear.

“He really has to live as a hermit, unfortunately,” O’Mara said.

Zimmerman, 28, is charged with second-degree murder in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, who was shot and killed while walking through a Sanford, Fla., neighborhood in February.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty, claiming self-defense.


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Post by: grace-land on August 13, 2012, 09:16:57 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/13/zimmerman-defense-lawyers-wont-argue-tand-your-ground-in-florida-shooting-case/

Zimmerman defense lawyers won't argue 'stand-your-ground' in Florida shooting case
Published August 13, 2012
Associated Press

ORLANDO, Florida –  The attorney for the man who shot and killed unarmed Florida teenager Trayvon Martin said Monday he'll seek to get the case dismissed using a traditional self-defense argument and not the state's "stand your ground" statute.
 
Mark O'Mara, who is defending George Zimmerman against a second-degree murder charge in the fatal February shooting, said the traditional self-defense approach is appropriate because the facts suggest his client couldn't retreat from a beating Martin was giving him.
 
Zimmerman's attorneys had said last week that they would use Florida's controverial "stand your ground" law, which allows people to use deadly force -- rather than retreat -- if they believe their lives are in danger.
 
"The facts don't seem to support a `stand your ground' defense," O'Mara said.
  ::snipping2::
 
Zimmerman, 28, pleaded not guilty and was released on a $1 million bond while he awaits trial. If a judge were to side with Zimmerman in a pretrial hearing under either theory, the murder charge would be dismissed immediately. O'Mara said that he would not have to invoke any part of the "stand your ground" statute under the strategy he plans to use.
 
"I don't' like 'stand your ground' because I'm not sure it's a `stand your ground' case," O'Mara said.
 
University of Miami law professor Tamara Lave said this change by O'Mara may be a signal that he thinks his case for self-defense is solid even without the special provisions afforded by "stand your ground."
 
"'Stand your ground' makes it easier to prevail under self-defense theory than the law that existed beforehand," Lave said. "I think what he's saying is his case is so strong that he doesn't need `stand your ground."'

Read more...


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Post by: grace-land on August 14, 2012, 12:36:24 PM
Video of the news conference at the link

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-14/news/os-george-zimmerman-appeal-20120814_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-special-prosecutor-angela-corey

Three-judge panel named in George Zimmerman appeal
11:51 a.m. EST, August 14, 2012

The three appeals court judges who must decide whether or not murder suspect George Zimmerman deserves a new trial judge were named today.

They include two former Orlando judges and one from Brevard.

The Orlando judges are Alan Lawson and Jay Cohen. The one from Brevard is Kerry Evander.

On Monday, defense attorney Mark O'Mara filed the appeal with the Fifth District Court of Appeal in Daytona Beach.
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Post by: grace-land on August 15, 2012, 03:12:35 PM
http://www.lawyerherald.com/articles/1891/20120815/george-zimmerman-trial-update-why-mark-o-mara-is-using-self-defense-not-stand-your-ground-in-travyon-martin-shooting-case.htm

George Zimmerman Trial Update: Why Mark O’Mara is Using Self-Defense, not ‘Stand Your Ground’ in Travyon Martin Shooting Case?
Aug 15, 2012 01:04 PM EDT

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However, O'Mara, Zimmerman's lawyer, who admitted he would use the Florida State's "Stand Your Ground," in a quick change of strategy said Tuesday, that he will not use take shelter in the immunity provided by the statue, but instead would present a clear case of self-defense.

According to the "Stand your Ground," law, if a person is in reasonable fear of danger than he/she could use deadly force, without having to evade the situation. This means that even though a person has the opportunity to escape his/her attacker he/she could choose to stand ground and fight back.

But now, Zimmerman's lawyer told the Huffington Post, "I think the facts seem to support that though we have a stand-your-ground immunity hearing, what this really is, is a simple, self-defense immunity hearing."

The basic argument, O'Mara will make is that Zimmerman was being attacked by the unarmed teenager and fired the shots in an act of pure defense without any opportunity to escape the situation.

Read more...


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Post by: cookie on August 15, 2012, 08:50:15 PM
George and his wife sure went thru a lot of money. Paid off their credit cards and did I read that they paid off a car loan as well?   And he is worse off now financially than he was before this happened? Sounds like he has done ok financially to me. They would still  be owing those bills if this had  not happened. His lawyer has not received any money. Think of the money that he has one through since this all happened...more money than he and his wife probably made in years combined. Do any of us spend that  amount of money on normal monthly bills in this short amount of time?
I think tht they received a huge amount of money and have gone crazy spending...am I wrong on my thoughts?


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Post by: TURBOTHINK on August 15, 2012, 09:13:55 PM
George and his wife sure went thru a lot of money. Paid off their credit cards and did I read that they paid off a car loan as well?   And he is worse off now financially than he was before this happened? Sounds like he has done ok financially to me. They would still  be owing those bills if this had  not happened. His lawyer has not received any money. Think of the money that he has one through since this all happened...more money than he and his wife probably made in years combined. Do any of us spend that  amount of money on normal monthly bills in this short amount of time?
I think tht they received a huge amount of money and have gone crazy spending...am I wrong on my thoughts?

I think we are in the wrong area, but I knew karma would catch up with them. I hope they die broke and living on the streets for what they did.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: TURBOTHINK on August 15, 2012, 09:17:53 PM
This whole George Zimmerman trial reeks of people trying to gain notoriety and collect money screaming race. Rent-a riot Jackson and his side kick ran down there to get their insignificant faces on TV. The new black panthers are always looking for a reason to incite racial violence and this was the perfect excuse.

I believe sane people on a jury in Florida will see right through all this and find him innocent. The only fear I have is they will get the same ignorant jurors that did the Casey Anthony case so they can pay them off to get the verdict they want.


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Post by: kcrn on August 15, 2012, 10:42:24 PM
George and his wife sure went thru a lot of money. Paid off their credit cards and did I read that they paid off a car loan as well?   And he is worse off now financially than he was before this happened? Sounds like he has done ok financially to me. They would still  be owing those bills if this had  not happened. His lawyer has not received any money. Think of the money that he has one through since this all happened...more money than he and his wife probably made in years combined. Do any of us spend that  amount of money on normal monthly bills in this short amount of time?
I think tht they received a huge amount of money and have gone crazy spending...am I wrong on my thoughts?

I think we are in the wrong area, but I knew karma would catch up with them. I hope they die broke and living on the streets for what they did.
I think cookie is talking about george zimmerman & his wife & u about the anthonys?
I dont think that gz should profit in any way off this case, but I do believe he acted in self defense. An opportunist maybe, but not a bigot who wanted to off a black kid. Any money he receives should pay to live like he did before when they were employable but not better. The majority of that money should pay his lawyers.. I dont necessarily think gz is a good person, but I disagree with the race card being played here. 9 times out of 10, those playing the race card are wrong to play it.


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Post by: cookie on August 16, 2012, 10:09:24 AM
George and his wife sure went thru a lot of money. Paid off their credit cards and did I read that they paid off a car loan as well?   And he is worse off now financially than he was before this happened? Sounds like he has done ok financially to me. They would still  be owing those bills if this had  not happened. His lawyer has not received any money. Think of the money that he has one through since this all happened...more money than he and his wife probably made in years combined. Do any of us spend that  amount of money on normal monthly bills in this short amount of time?
I think tht they received a huge amount of money and have gone crazy spending...am I wrong on my thoughts?

I think we are in the wrong area, but I knew karma would catch up with them. I hope they die broke and living on the streets for what they did.
I think cookie is talking about george zimmerman & his wife & u about the anthonys?
I dont think that gz should profit in any way off this case, but I do believe he acted in self defense. An opportunist maybe, but not a bigot who wanted to off a black kid. Any money he receives should pay to live like he did before when they were employable but not better. The majority of that money should pay his lawyers.. I dont necessarily think gz is a good person, but I disagree with the race card being played here. 9 times out of 10, those playing the race card are wrong to play it.

I am sick of the race card being used too. I don't think that George was a bigot either. Maybe a Barney Fife, but not bigot. And yes, an opportunist as well. 
Trayvon's parents are trying to make money off of this horrible crime too. It all is sickening to me.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: cookie on August 16, 2012, 10:10:51 AM
George and his wife sure went thru a lot of money. Paid off their credit cards and did I read that they paid off a car loan as well?   And he is worse off now financially than he was before this happened? Sounds like he has done ok financially to me. They would still  be owing those bills if this had  not happened. His lawyer has not received any money. Think of the money that he has one through since this all happened...more money than he and his wife probably made in years combined. Do any of us spend that  amount of money on normal monthly bills in this short amount of time?
I think tht they received a huge amount of money and have gone crazy spending...am I wrong on my thoughts?

I think we are in the wrong area, but I knew karma would catch up with them. I hope they die broke and living on the streets for what they did.

Talking about George Z and his wife...:)


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: cookie on August 16, 2012, 10:12:22 AM
George and his wife sure went thru a lot of money. Paid off their credit cards and did I read that they paid off a car loan as well?   And he is worse off now financially than he was before this happened? Sounds like he has done ok financially to me. They would still  be owing those bills if this had  not happened. His lawyer has not received any money. Think of the money that he has one through since this all happened...more money than he and his wife probably made in years combined. Do any of us spend that  amount of money on normal monthly bills in this short amount of time?
I think tht they received a huge amount of money and have gone crazy spending...am I wrong on my thoughts?

I think we are in the wrong area, but I knew karma would catch up with them. I hope they die broke and living on the streets for what they did.

Talking about George Z and his wife...:). Not the Anthony's..(.but I hope they end up flat broke too)


To clarify...


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 17, 2012, 06:27:23 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-17/news/os-trayvon-martin-autopsy-20120817_1_trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-blood-loss

Experts: Trayvon Martin's heart kept pumping after shooting
5:40 p.m. EST, August 17, 2012

George Zimmerman may have shot Trayvon Martin in the heart, but that didn't kill him instantly.

The 17-year-old survived for several minutes, according to two experts who reviewed Trayvon's autopsy for the Orlando Sentinel.

"You're talking about minutes, at least, for him to survive," said Dr. William Anderson, a forensic specialist and former deputy medical examiner for Orange and Osceola counties. "I think he would have been conscious … for a little time anyway."
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Witness accounts

There is other evidence that Trayvon survived for a short time. One witness told authorities that after the shooting Trayvon moved his leg.

Then there is Zimmerman's account. In a re-enactment for Sanford police the following day, the 28-year-old Neighborhood Watch volunteer said Trayvon moved and talked after he was wounded.

"I didn't think I hit him because he sat up and said, 'O.K. you got me. You got it. You got me. You got it,' something like that," Zimmerman said.

What else had he said, police Investigator Doris Singleton had asked during an earlier interrogation at police headquarters.

"Ow, ow," Zimmerman said.

Zimmerman is free on $1 million bond, awaiting trial on a second-degree murder charge


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Post by: iluvmua on August 20, 2012, 04:11:05 PM
I'm watching the reinactment vidoe that George did for the police and he comes across to me a s being very sincere.

what does everybody else think?

here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qfkRTC5gF4&feature=related



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 20, 2012, 06:45:42 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-20/news/os-george-zimmerman-subpoena-20120820_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-mark-o-mara

George Zimmerman fights subpoena asking for release of medical records
5:15 p.m. EST, August 20, 2012

SANFORD — Prosecutors want more of George Zimmerman's medical records, but he's fighting back.

Defense attorneyMark O'Marahas scheduled a hearing Friday to try to stop the release.

The state is asking for Zimmerman's records from an Altamonte Springs doctor's office. O'Mara already has released some, those that show what treatment Zimmerman got the day after he shot and killed Trayvon Martin Feb. 26 in Sanford.

The 28-year-old Zimmerman says he acted in self-defense after the teenager got on top of him and began beating him.

Those already-released medical records show that Zimmerman had a fractured nose, cuts to the back of his head and a back injury, but Special Prosecutor Angela Corey's office has asked for more, according to O'Mara's pleading.

O'Mara says they shouldn't get it. He's asking Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. to quash the subpoena. Both sides are to be in court Friday at 8:30 a.m. Zimmerman is not expected to be there.

In court paperwork made public Monday, O'Mara wrote that those records are private and that if the doctor's office surrenders them, prosecutors will release them to the public.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: cookie on August 20, 2012, 08:54:32 PM
if George's injuries are legit, why wouldn"t he want the medical records released?  hiding something?


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Post by: grace-land on August 20, 2012, 10:09:35 PM
GZ has released his medical records from his doctor regarding the treatment for the injuries of February 26.  The SA subpoena wants more medical records.  The "Amended Notice of Objection of Subpoena" explains the reasons why he objects.  He is willing to have the court review the medical records to determine if anything should be disclosed--

http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/motions/amended_notice_of_objection_to_subpoena.pdf
 



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on August 22, 2012, 02:28:10 PM
if George's injuries are legit, why wouldn"t he want the medical records released?  hiding something?

George says the request is too board and the records contain information that is irrelevant.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/21/2961410/zimmerman-doesnt-want-medical.html#disqus_thread


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 22, 2012, 05:17:36 PM
As I understand it, GZ's injuries with respect to this case, are known - and that medical information is known, it was released by the State.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the State is going for "all" of GZ's medical records.

The hearing is about the State shouldn't have all the other medical records throughout GZ's life, when they already have the records of GZ's injuries relevant to this case.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 22, 2012, 06:09:13 PM
As I understand it, GZ's injuries with respect to this case, are known - and that medical information is known, it was released by the State.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the State is going for "all" of GZ's medical records.

The hearing is about the State shouldn't have all the other medical records throughout GZ's life, when they already have the records of GZ's injuries relevant to this case.

I believe that GZ wants to prevent the SA subpoena to his doctor for all medical records, and he wants the judge to review the medical records to determine if anything is relevant for the trial.  I think that if the SA receives additional medical records, it becomes part of discovery and will probably be released to the public. 


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Post by: grace-land on August 22, 2012, 06:16:47 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/22/2963530/attorney-shuts-down-george-zimmerman.html

Posted on Wednesday, 08.22.12
Attorney shuts down George Zimmerman Facebook page

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The attorney for the man who fatally shot Trayvon Martin says he is shutting down a Facebook page the defense team was using because it was leading to unhelpful discussions.
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Read more here...


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Post by: grace-land on August 22, 2012, 06:20:18 PM
http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/press-releases

Defense Closing the George Zimmerman Legal Case Page on Facebook
on 22 August 2012.

Today we are inactivating the George Zimmerman Legal Case page on Facebook. We established the page in late April as a companion to the GZlegalcase.com website and @gzlegalcase Twitter account. On April 28, we published an article called “Why Social Media for George Zimmerman,” where we established seven goals for our digital media presence. While Facebook helped meet most of these goals during the first three months of its activation, it has been providing diminishing returns since and has increasingly become a concern to us.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: cookie on August 22, 2012, 06:24:17 PM
understand that GZ would not want ALL of his medical records released...that is rather personal.
However, I understood it to be medical records pertaining to his injuries the night of the shooting..

Who is to say if GZ caused his own injuries as a defense? could have happened...
too many unknowns with this case so far to form an opinion of what really occurred that night..jmo...


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 23, 2012, 05:27:43 PM
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/George-Zimmerman-Asks-Judge-To-Let-Him-Leave-Seminole-County-167233825.html

George Zimmerman Asks Judge To Let Him Leave Seminole County
Attorney Mark O'Mara made the request in a motion filed Thursday
Thursday, Aug 23, 2012  |  Updated 4:44 PM EDT

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He asked Lester to modify the conditions of Zimmerman’s release and lift the restriction requiring him to live in Seminole County in a motion filed with the Eighteenth Judicial Circuit Thursday.

“Communications have been unnecessarily limited to telephone and occasional visits by counsel. Mr. Zimmerman must be able to travel to meet with his lawyers, and to attend to various other necessary matters to prepare this matter to move forward,” O’Mara said of his client, who is charged with second-degree murder in the Feb. 26 shooting of Miami Gardens teen Trayvon Martin in Sanford.
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Meantime, prosecutors responded to Zimmerman’s objection to their request for his medical records.
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“The records provided by Altamonte Family Practice describe what Defendant claims happened when he came into contact with Trayvon Martin, as well (as) treatment administered by a physician’s assistant,” and they refer to Zimmerman being informed that he should be seen by an ear, nose and throat doctor, which he refused to do, de la Rionda wrote.

But, he noted, “The records provided do not include any notes, photographs, X-rays, CT scan, MRI or anything else related to his treatment that day. The State wants to make sure that no other records exist.”
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 24, 2012, 12:59:07 AM
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/George-Zimmerman-s-mother-in-law-charged-with-DUI/-/1637132/16249684/-/10bhp5az/-/index.html

George Zimmerman's mother-in-law charged with DUI
Published On: Aug 23 2012 11:45:36 PM EDT

NEW SMYRNA BEACH, Fla. -
Volusia County deputies arrested George Zimmerman's mother-in-law for suspicion of driving under the influence of prescription pills.

Drivers on SR 415 near Osteen were in a panic, and can be heard in 9-1-1 calls begging deputies to pull over the swerving car.

911 Caller: "Oh he just ran off the side of the road. Now he's back on. Now he's in the other lane. Oh my God, there's traffic coming!"

That caller was right in front of the weaving car, that deputies said was driven by Machelle Smothers Dean, 53, of Lake Mary. Local 6 has learned Dean is Shellie Zimmerman's mother and George Zimmerman's mother-in-law.
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According to the police report, Dean told deputies she took two hydrocodone pills before she got behind the wheel, but is also prescribed Xanax and another sedative.
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Post by: Puzzler on August 24, 2012, 02:52:58 AM
George Zimmerman Asks Judge To Let Him Leave Seminole County

Attorney Mark O'Mara made the request in a motion filed Thursday

By Edward B. Colby | Thursday, Aug 23, 2012 | Updated 5:36 PM PDT

~Snipped~

Zimmerman has asked Lester to stop a subpoena for his medical records, saying the request is too broad and will include irrelevant information. A hearing is scheduled for Friday.

In his response filed with the court Thursday, Assistant State Attorney Bernardo de la Rionda wrote that several pages have been provided so far concerning Zimmerman’s treatment at the Altamonte Family Practice on Feb. 27.

(snip)  “The records provided by Altamonte Family Practice describe what Defendant claims happened when he came into contact with Trayvon Martin, as well (as) treatment administered by a physician’s assistant,” and they refer to Zimmerman being informed that he should be seen by an ear, nose and throat doctor, which he refused to do, de la Rionda wrote.

But, he noted, “The records provided do not include any notes, photographs, X-rays, CT scan, MRI or anything else related to his treatment that day. The State wants to make sure that no other records exist.”

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/national-international/George-Zimmerman-Asks-Judge-To-Let-Him-Leave-Seminole-County-167233825.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 24, 2012, 02:53:48 AM
STATE'S RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT'S AMENDED NOTICE OF OBJECTION TO SUBPOENA

File August 23, 2012

http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/State's%20Response.pdf


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Post by: Puzzler on August 24, 2012, 11:24:14 AM
George Zimmerman gets permission to travel to Orange County

Judge also rules that he'll review medical records

By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
10:41 a.m. EDT, August 24, 2012

SANFORD - The judge in the Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman case agreed this morning to let the defendant travel to Orange County but only to go to his lawyers' offices.

Defense attorney Don West this morning asked Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester to let Zimmerman, 28, move out of Seminole County.

Lester said no, that that entailed too much planning and coordination with local law enforcement agencies, who are required to monitor Zimmerman's whereabouts 24 hours a day.

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"Right now, it's not going to be carte blanche," the judge said.

Read more:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-medical-records-20120824,0,6617733.story


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 24, 2012, 11:26:54 AM
George Zimmerman's mother-in-law charged with DUI

Published On: Aug 24 2012 08:37:26 AM EDT
Updated On: Aug 24 2012 08:39:51 AM EDT

NEW SMYRNA BEACH, Fla. - Volusia County deputies arrested George Zimmerman's mother-in-law for suspicion of driving under the influence of prescription pills.

Drivers on State Road 415 near Osteen were in a panic, and can be heard in 911 calls begging deputies to pull over the swerving car.

Video at link:

http://www.news4jax.com/news/George-Zimmerman-s-mother-in-law-charged-with-DUI/-/475880/16251784/-/4nkmin/-/index.html


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 24, 2012, 03:31:27 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-24/news/os-george-zimmerman-medical-records-20120824_1_trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-mark-o-mara

George Zimmerman gets permission to travel to Orange County
12:30 p.m. EST, August 24, 2012

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Lester ruled in favor of Zimmerman, at least partially, on another matter today: He won't allow the defendant's medical records to become public.

He said he would review them in private then later listen to lawyers argue about them in a closed court session.
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Also today, de la Rionda handed over to O'Mara the most recent batch of state evidence, according to court paperwork.

It includes Trayvon's cell phone records, 217 photos from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, eight photos taken by a private investigator hired by Trayvon's family, Zimmerman's school records from Manassas, Va., and eight Seminole County Sheriff's Office incident reports from the night Trayvon was shot.

Most of those – not including the cell phone records – should become public in the next week or so.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: spayneuteryourpets on August 25, 2012, 02:04:31 PM
I'm watching the reinactment vidoe that George did for the police and he comes across to me a s being very sincere.

what does everybody else think?

here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qfkRTC5gF4&feature=related



I absolutely agree.  It makes a lot of sense now. 
joan+20


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on August 27, 2012, 04:42:34 PM
I'm not even going to watch the Dr. Phil show about this case. I saw a snippet of it today and he has two people on who know george and I can already tell Dr. Phil has not done his homework on this case.



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Post by: MuffyBee on August 29, 2012, 07:15:44 PM
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2012/08/29/court-zimmerman-judge-should-disqualify-himself/DJhLbGx0xzInj3NLXytLoO/story.html
Court: Zimmerman judge should disqualify himself
August 29, 2012

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — A three-judge panel in Florida has ruled that a former neighborhood watch leader charged in the fatal shooting of teenager Trayvon Martin should be granted a new judge in his case
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O'Mara had argued that Lester should disqualify himself after he said the judge made disparaging remarks about Zimmerman’s character and advocated for additional charges against him in setting his $1 million bond in July.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 29, 2012, 07:16:46 PM
http://www.wmfe.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=13285&news_iv_ctrl=1041
New Judge to be Appointed in Zimmerman Case
August 29, 2012



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Post by: MuffyBee on August 29, 2012, 07:18:33 PM
http://thegrio.com/2012/08/29/zimmermans-request-for-a-new-judge-granted-by-appeal-court/
Zimmerman’s request for a new judge granted by appeal court
August 29, 2012

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester, Jr. will be removed from the second-degree murder trial of George Zimmerman by order of a ruling made today. The Fifth District Court of Appeal in Daytona Beach granted this request made by Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara, who did not believe Lester could be fair to his client.
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Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson is likely to take over the case if this ruling stands.

TheGrio reached out for comment to Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda, who is prosecuting Zimmerman’s case, but his office declined to comment.

Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara, responded, “We appreciate the appellate court reviewing our petition and we believe it is the correct decision,” in a statement released to the press.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on August 29, 2012, 07:29:58 PM
Appeal court grants George Zimmerman's request for new judge
August 29, 2012


Appeal Court:  Judge Lester is out.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-29/news/os-george-zimmerman-appeals-ruling-lester-20120829_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-mark-o-mara





Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 29, 2012, 08:38:48 PM
From the article above--

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-29/news/os-george-zimmerman-appeals-ruling-lester-20120829_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-mark-o-mara

Appeal court: Lester is out
6:03 p.m. EST, August 29, 2012

Quote
Nelson is the judge assigned to Shellie Zimmerman's case. Nelson has made no rulings in that case yet. In fact, Shellie Zimmerman has yet to appear before her.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 29, 2012, 08:45:46 PM
http://www.flcourts18.org/bio_nelson_sem.html

JUDICIAL BIOGRAPHY
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SEMINOLE CIRCUIT JUDGE
 DEBRA S. NELSON

 Seminole Criminal Justice Center
 101 Bush Blvd.
 Sanford, Florida 32773
 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on August 29, 2012, 08:50:00 PM
http://gzlegalcase.com/

Fifth District Court of Appeal Grants Defense's Petition for Writ of Prohibition
on 29 August 2012.

The Fifth District Court of Appeal granted George Zimmerman's Petition for a Writ of Prohibition. We expect a new judge will be assigned shortly.
 
Decision Granting Petition for Writ of Prohibition
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/writ/decision_granting_petition_for_writ.pdf


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: sharon on August 29, 2012, 08:53:01 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/29/2975210/appeal-court-removes-judge-in.html


Posted on Wednesday, 08.29.12

Appeal court removes judge in Zimmerman case

 
The defense had asked for the trial judge to be removed, saying he had shown bias against the neighborhood watch volunteer who killed Trayon Martin during a scuffle.
By Frances Robles
frobles@miamiherald.com

George Zimmerman’s attorneys got a second judge kicked off his murder trial Wednesday, when the Fifth District Court of Appeal ordered the sitting jurist to step down from the controversial case.

In a 2-1 ruling that the appellate court acknowledged was a “close call,” Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester was ordered to recuse himself and ask the chief circuit judge to name a replacement.

The decision came after Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara, accused Lester of being so biased against his client that the former neighborhood watch volunteer had lost faith in the court.

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Post by: Red on August 30, 2012, 09:32:44 AM
Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. Out, Florida Appeals Court Orders New Judge for Zimmerman Murder Trial of Trayvon Martin

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/08/30/judge-kenneth-lester-jr-out-florida-appeals-court-orders-new-judge-for-zimmerman-murder-trial-of-trayvon-martin/

YOU'RE OUT!!

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An interesting situation just occurred in the George Zimmerman murder trial. A Florida appeals court granted Zimmerman’s attorneys request and ordered that a new judge be seated to preside over the Zimmerman murder trial in the death of Trayvon Mrtin. The 5th District Court of Appeal determined that Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. could not be impartial due to past actions and statements with regards to defendant George Zimmerman. Judge Lester wrote a scathing decision with regards to Zimmerman’s second bond hearing where Lester made the prejudicial comment that Zimmerman, “manipulating the system for his own benefit.” Mark O’Mara, the defense attorney for George Zimmerman previously filed a 17 page motion disqualifying Judge Lester from this case. O’Mara asserted that the judge and court “departed from its role as an impartial, objective minister of justice” and should therefore be removed from the case. It would seem that the appeals court has agreed. Lester is out.

I have to admit this decision came as a surprise, although it was the correct one. The Zimmerman-Martin case has been more political than it has been judicial since the outset. However, made this will be the sign that the murder trial will now be based on evidence and the rule of law rather than emotions, misrepresentations, media bias and those with an agenda fanning the flames of racism.


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Post by: MuffyBee on August 30, 2012, 09:58:41 AM
Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. Out, Florida Appeals Court Orders New Judge for Zimmerman Murder Trial of Trayvon Martin

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/08/30/judge-kenneth-lester-jr-out-florida-appeals-court-orders-new-judge-for-zimmerman-murder-trial-of-trayvon-martin/

YOU'RE OUT!!

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An interesting situation just occurred in the George Zimmerman murder trial. A Florida appeals court granted Zimmerman’s attorneys request and ordered that a new judge be seated to preside over the Zimmerman murder trial in the death of Trayvon Mrtin. The 5th District Court of Appeal determined that Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. could not be impartial due to past actions and statements with regards to defendant George Zimmerman. Judge Lester wrote a scathing decision with regards to Zimmerman’s second bond hearing where Lester made the prejudicial comment that Zimmerman, “manipulating the system for his own benefit.” Mark O’Mara, the defense attorney for George Zimmerman previously filed a 17 page motion disqualifying Judge Lester from this case. O’Mara asserted that the judge and court “departed from its role as an impartial, objective minister of justice” and should therefore be removed from the case. It would seem that the appeals court has agreed. Lester is out.

I have to admit this decision came as a surprise, although it was the correct one. The Zimmerman-Martin case has been more political than it has been judicial since the outset. However, made this will be the sign that the murder trial will now be based on evidence and the rule of law rather than emotions, misrepresentations, media bias and those with an agenda fanning the flames of racism.

I surely hope so Red.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 30, 2012, 04:28:46 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-30/news/os-george-zimmerman-new-judge-20120830_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-mark-o-mara
George Zimmerman's new judge: Debra S. Nelson
August 30, 2012

 Today Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson, a 13-year veteran of the bench in Sanford, was officially assigned the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case, one of the most watched in the country.

The 58-year-old Nelson has a reputation as a hard-working, ambitious judge who hands down tough sentences.
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On Wednesday, the Fifth District Court of Appeal in Daytona Beach ordered Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. to step aside, saying comments he included in a $1 million bond order were enough to make a reasonable person believe he'd be unfair to Zimmerman.

Lester wrote that Zimmerman was a manipulator who was trying to outsmart the criminal justice system by claiming to be poor while hiding $130,000 and an extra passport.

Nelson now inherits one of the most prominent civil rights criminal cases in the country.

Zimmerman, 28, of Sanford, is accused of murdering Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old, on a Sanford sidewalk Feb. 26.

The defendant says he acted in self-defense, that the Miami Gardens teenager attacked him, climbed on top of him and began pounding his head on the concrete.

Prosecutors allege that Zimmerman is guilty of profiling, of spotting Trayvon as he walked through the neighborhood, assuming the teenager was about to commit a crime, pursuing and murdering him.

Nelson will now be the judge who must decide whether Zimmerman is entitled to immunity under Florida's much-debated "stand your ground" law, which allows anyone with a reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily injury to use deadly force against an attacker.

Defense attorney Mark O'Mara has said he would likely schedule that hearing next year.
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Because of the appeals court ruling, O'Mara is now free to challenge any of Lester's rulings in the Zimmerman case, said attorneys Andrew Chmelir and Frank Iennaco. O'Mara has 20 days to do it, according to Florida's Rules of Judicial Administration.

It was not immediately clear what, if any, of Lester's rulings, O'Mara might challenge.
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She has twice applied for an open spot on the Florida Supreme Court, in 2002 and 2008 but failed to make the short list.

She typically gets middling marks – and did again this year – in an annual poll by the Central Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

Her overall ranking this year was 3.67, between "satisfactory" and "good".


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Post by: sharon on August 31, 2012, 02:34:10 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/30/2977516/zimmerman-gets-new-judge-but-lawyers.html

Posted on Thursday, 08.30.12
   
Trayvon Martin Case
Zimmerman gets new judge, but lawyers say he may regret it
 
The new judge presiding over George Zimmerman’s murder trial is a no-nonsense jurist known for not cutting lawyers much slack.

By Frances Robles
frobles@MiamiHerald.com

A veteran judge with broad experience and a reputation for being tough on both lawyers and defendants has been assigned to take over George Zimmerman’s murder trial.

Seminole County Circuit Judge Debra Nelson is a familiar face to the Zimmerman family: She is the same jurist assigned to handle Zimmerman’s wife’s perjury case.

Zimmerman’s legal team might live to regret forcing the last judge off the case because Nelson runs a tight ship and tends to favor the prosecution, Central Florida lawyers said. A native of South Florida who did a brief stint at the Broward state attorney’s office, Nelson is known for being a no-nonsense judge who keeps lawyers on their toes.

“I don’t think they did themselves any favors,” said attorney Jose Baez, best known for defending “tot mom” Casey Anthony. “She has a reputation of being more pro-prosecution than the previous judge. We have an expression: ‘The devil you know is much better than the devil you don’t.’ ”

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Post by: spayneuteryourpets on September 02, 2012, 01:21:14 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/30/2977516/zimmerman-gets-new-judge-but-lawyers.html

Posted on Thursday, 08.30.12

“I don’t think they did themselves any favors,” said attorney Jose Baez, best known for defending “tot mom” Casey Anthony. “She has a reputation of being more pro-prosecution than the previous judge. We have an expression: ‘The devil you know is much better than the devil you don’t.’ ”


Why was Jose Baez asked what he thought?
joan+20
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 05, 2012, 09:08:56 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-05/news/os-george-zimmerman-judge-nelson-stand-your-ground-20120904_1_kishawn-jones-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman
George Zimmerman judge rejected 'stand your ground' claim in other murder case
September 5, 2012

 SANFORD — In May, Circuit Judge Debra Nelson, who has taken over the George Zimmerman murder case, rejected the "stand your ground" claim of a 21-year-old Sanford man who was charged with murder.

A month later, a Seminole County jury acquitted him.

That case, Florida v. Kishawn Jones, is important because it could signal what's ahead for Zimmerman, the 28-year-old Neighborhood Watch volunteer who killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old.

Zimmerman is expected to use Florida's "stand your ground" law to try to clear himself. Passed by the Florida Legislature in 2005, the law grants immunity to anyone who uses deadly force if he has a reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily injury.
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Post by: grace-land on September 07, 2012, 10:29:32 AM
http://gzlegalcase.com/

Zimmerman Defense Begins Discovery Process
on 06 September 2012.

The Defense has begun its own discovery process now that the State has delivered substantially all of its discovery in the case against George Zimmerman. To date, there are still a number of items that the State has not submitted to the Defense that we feel are relevant to the case. We will be seeking these items and evidence through all appropriate means.

Our first request is a series of Subpoenas for Production of Documents requesting school records for Trayvon Martin. In the coming weeks, we will be issuing subpoenas for other items including potentially relevant data from social media platforms, reports related to chain of custody to key evidence, interviews and more.

It has become our practice to post to our website legal documents related the case as they become public record, and this will continue to be the case with our discovery requests. Moreover, any discovery we submit that becomes public record will also be posted on our website. In the case of Trayvon Martin’s school records, they are protected and will NOT be part of the public record, without appropriate court order.
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Post by: grace-land on September 07, 2012, 10:41:03 AM
http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/court-documents

Subpoenas for Trayvon Martin's School Records
on 06 September 2012.

The Zimmerman defense has issued the following Subpoena for Production of Documents and Things in regards to Trayvon Martin's school records.  NOTE: School records are protected and will not become part of public record without appropriate court order.

Subpoena - Miami Carol City High School
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/requests/Subpoena%20-%20Miami%20Carol%20City%20HS.pdf

Subpoena - Miami-Dade County Public Schools
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/requests/Subpoena%20-%20Miami-Dade%20Cty%20PS.pdf

Subpoena - Norland Middle School
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/requests/Subpoena%20-%20Norland%20MS.pdf

Subpoena - Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/requests/Subpoena%20-%20Dr.%20Michael%20M.%20Krop%20SH.pdf


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Post by: grace-land on September 07, 2012, 10:59:50 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-07/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-school-records-20120907_1_trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-mark-o-mara

George Zimmerman defense wants Trayvon Martin school records
9:58 a.m. EST, September 7, 2012

George Zimmerman's legal defense team wants educational and disciplinary records for Trayvon Martin, the Miami Gardens teen Zimmerman shot Feb. 26 in Sanford, according to a new post on the lawyers' blog.

Zimmerman's team posted this morning that it has begun its discovery process, issuing several subpoenas aimed at gathering records on Trayvon's school history dating back to middle school.

The 17-year-old was staying with his father's girlfriend at the time of the shooting. He had been suspended from school in Miami after being found with an empty marijuana baggie.

In its subpoenas, the neighborhood watch volunteer's defense requests any "disciplinary notices and reports, suspension notices and reports, attendance records, tardiness records, awards given," as well as extracurricular activities, class schedules and test scores.

The subpoenas are directed at Miami Carol City High School, Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High, Norland Middle School and Miami-Dade County Public Schools. As the defense team's blog post notes, such school records are not public.
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Post by: grace-land on September 10, 2012, 12:47:56 AM
Two-page article

www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/09/2994307/zimmerman-defense-looking-for.html

Posted on Monday, 09.10.12
Zimmerman defense looking for new clues on Trayvon

George Zimmerman’s defense lawyers will subpoena Facebook, Twitter and Miami-Dade schools in a widespread pursuit of clues to suggest that Trayvon Martin could have thrown the first punch on the night he was killed, a sign that attorneys are going into attack mode in preparation for their case.

A series of notices were sent last week to Miami-Dade Schools Superintendent Alberto Carvalho and the principals of the schools Trayvon attended, advising that subpoenas for copies of the slain teen’s academic and attendance records would be issued in 10 days’ time.

Similar warnings are expected to be sent this week to the popular social networking sites where Trayvon maintained accounts, defense attorney   Mark O’Mara said.

Defense lawyers argue that if the defendant’s social media sites and school records were reviewed by prosecutors, it’s only fair game for Trayvon to undergo the same scrutiny. The move underscores a shift in the defense strategy, in what the slain teen’s family lawyer calls a “witch hunt” and “character assassination.” If successful, and negative rumors about Trayvon’s social media comments that have circulated the Internet for months are proven true, they would be posted on the defense website and offered legitimacy.

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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 10, 2012, 12:51:35 AM
ooops...this link should work:   http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/09/2994307_p2/zimmerman-defense-looking-for.html


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Post by: MuffyBee on September 11, 2012, 07:18:34 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1209/11/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Woman Tased for Spitting?; George Zimmerman`s Friends Speak Out

Aired September 11, 2012 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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Plus, George Zimmerman`s best friends speak out, breaking their silence for the first time since Zimmerman shot unarmed teen, Trayvon Martin. These are the same friends who let the former Neighborhood Watch volunteer stay at their home after the shooting. What will they reveal?

On the other side, George Zimmerman`s BFFs speak out.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: George Zimmerman`s defense attorneys want Trayvon Martin`s school records. They plan to use those records in their defense strategy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Trayvon Martin! Trayvon Martin!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trayvon Martin! Trayvon Martin!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Trayvon Martin! Trayvon Martin!

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, ON TRIAL FOR MURDER: I said, "I don`t have a problem, man."

SYBRINA FULTON, TRAYVON MARTIN`S MOTHER: This is not about a black and white thing. This is about a right and wrong thing.

ZIMMERMAN (via phone): If the bond is 50, pay the 50.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: $9,900, $9,900, $9,900, $9,900, $9,900, $9,900.

MARK O`MARA, ATTORNEY FOR GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: It`s not the grand conspiracy that the state seems to suggest.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, shooter George Zimmerman`s best friends are finally breaking their silence. This is the very couple who gave George Zimmerman and his wife a secret hideaway right after he was accused of shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin while the teen was holding only Skittles and an iced tea.

Listen to George Zimmerman`s best friends` account of what happened the night George Zimmerman is accused of murdering the unarmed teen. Watch this from "Dr. Phil."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DR. PHIL MCGRAW, TALK SHOW HOST: Do you believe if he hadn`t had that gun and shot Trayvon that George Zimmerman would be dead today?

MARK OSTERMAN, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN`S FRIEND: I do.

SONDRA OSTERMAN, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN`S FRIEND: Absolutely.

MCGRAW: So you think Trayvon would have killed him?

S. OSTERMAN: Absolutely.

M. OSTERMAN: I believe so.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you serious? Are you serious?

M. OSTERMAN: If I can have one moment. George -- the injuries that he had to his head could not be sustained for any period of time without either becoming unconscious or dying. He said, "I`m blacking out. I feel I`m going to die." And he told the police that. He said that in a lie detector test, all of which they have. They`ve connected all this together. And from George`s perspective, he felt, "I am going to die."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: These are the injuries to George Zimmerman that his best friends are talking about, a broken nose, a pair of black eyes, two cuts on the back of his head and a minor back injury. This is a preview of the case Zimmerman`s defense attorney is likely to make, that it doesn`t matter what happened leading up to the altercation, because at the time Zimmerman shot Trayvon, he claimed he feared for his life.

Natalie Jackson, you are one of the attorneys for Trayvon Martin`s family. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. Do you think this "I feared for my life" argument will stand up?

NATALIE JACKSON, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN`S FAMILY: Well, the fear has to be a reasonable fear, Jane. And that`s what we have to determine here. And that`s what a jury will have to determine, whether or not his fear was reasonable.

The fear -- we know that Trayvon was unarmed. We know that George Zimmerman had a gun. We know that the alleged injuries that George Zimmerman sustained did not require him to go to the emergency room. They required no treatment, no -- no stitches. He didn`t get any X-rays. He didn`t get any sort of tests that we can rely on that there was some injury.

When we look at these pictures, even the pictures of him afterwards, these were the injuries that you get from a fight. You cannot use deadly force in retaliation to a fight, a fistfight.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, I think this is going to be the crux of this upcoming case.

Now, this best friend of shooter George Zimmerman -- Mark Osterman is his name -- admits that he is the one who helped George Zimmerman choose the very gun that eventually shot Trayvon dead. Listen to Dr. Phil address that issue.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MCGRAW: You helped him pick out the gun...

M. OSTERMAN: Yes, sir.

MCGRAW: ... that he ultimately shot and killed Trayvon Martin with?

M. OSTERMAN: Yes, sir.

MCGRAW: Now, that makes me wonder, if you are now bought into a point where you say, "I`ve got to defend the guy now, because I`m in the chain here." Does that mean that -- that you need to defend him here because if not, you`ve got some ownership in this?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Criminal defense attorney Michelle Suskauer, this is not an objective person. He`s a friend. He also helped George Zimmerman buy the gun. Does that invalidate any claims that he could make?

MICHELLE SUSKAUER, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY (via phone): Well, what is he going to be able to testify to anyway that`s not complete hearsay?

I want to go back to something that Natalie Jackson just said. And this case may not even get to a jury. She keeps saying, you know, it`s up to a jury, if a jury thinks that this is reasonable. This is going to be a motion to dismiss in front of this new judge now, and she is going to have to make this decision. If she denies it, then it could go in front of a jury.

And it doesn`t matter whether or not they had a fistfight or not. There didn`t even need to be a fight. It does -- there`s nothing in the statute that says there had to be a fight or whether he needed to go to the hospital for his injuries. That`s not the point.

So I think that we`re sort of losing sight of what the law is here and what exactly the defense is going to have to show in terms of using the "Stand Your Ground" defense.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Presumably you`re referring to the "Stand Your Ground" law, yes.

Natalie Jackson, do you want to respond to that?

JACKSON: The law -- the law says that he must have a reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm. And it must be a reasonable fear. It can`t be George Zimmerman`s subjective fear. It can`t be someone who`s paranoid that someone looks suspicious and their subjective fear. It has to be a reasonable fear that a reasonable person would have.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And remember, Trayvon Martin had in his hands Skittles and iced tea. More on the other side.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

FULTON: My son was not committing any crimes. Our son is your son. I want you guys to stand up for justice and stand up for what`s right. This is not about a black and white thing. This is about a right and wrong thing.

Justice for Trayvon!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: In a controversial move, Zimmerman`s defense team is now digging into the dead teenager, Trayvon Martin`s, past to find any dirt. His family`s calling it a witch hunt to assassinate his character.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

FULTON: The only comment that I have right now is that they`ve killed my son and now they`re trying to kill his reputation.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Want to get my panel`s reaction to Zimmerman`s attorneys subpoenaing a huge list of things including Trayvon`s Facebook and Twitter accounts, school records, test scores, disciplinary records, attendance. They`ve already determined that he`s been suspended. He was suspended, I believe, three times.

Starting with Natalie Jackson, you represent Trayvon Martin`s family. What say you to these subpoenas?

JACKSON: Well, I mean, really, from a legal standard, it`s not relevant. This is character evidence, and it`s not relevant.

I -- you know, I agree with Sybrina. This is just an attempt to demonize the victim in this case. Trayvon is the victim. The only character that is relevant -- George Zimmerman did not know Trayvon Martin when he killed him that night. He knew nothing about his character.

I will tell you, this was a 17-year-old kid that was on his way to college. And he was a normal, average 17-year-old. He wasn`t an angel, but he certainly wasn`t a devil. And his character, George Zimmerman knew nothing about. And it`s not relevant to this case. It`s not even admissible.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

JACKSON: The only thing I can think is that once again, it`s just feeding into this propaganda machine.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Jayne Weintraub, will any of this -- you can subpoena but will any -- like the fact that he was suspended at the time, will that get in?

WEINTRAUB: Well, that`s not what he`s going for. What he`s going for is to be able to demonstrate whether or not Trayvon had a propensity to commit violence.

You know, it`s not about the character evidence. From the best friend, it`s not about George Zimmerman being a good guy. It`s about what happened at that moment.

And what the best friend was saying is he testified George Zimmerman told the police that he said he felt he was going to die. He felt he was passing out, and he passed a polygraph to that -- to those words. Now, what`s important is it`s not admissible in front of a jury, but it will be admissible in the "Stand Your Ground," and the judge will be able to give it whatever weight the judge thinks is appropriate. That`s No. 1.

No. 2, as far as the subpoena of the records, it`s not to show that Trayvon was a bad kid and that he was suspended for smoking pot. It`s to show whether or not he got into ten fights that day. It`s to show the propensity for what he was doing. That`s all.

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: One second. Let`s give Natalie Jackson the final word here.

JACKSON: I will say that you do not look at one moment in time from one snapshot. This is a totality of circumstances. This is what happened from the time that George Zimmerman got out of his car with the gun to pursue an unarmed teenager.

It has nothing to do with the victim. His records are not relevant. They are not admissible. He had no propensity towards violence. If anyone -- if anyone`s records -- the only records that are relevant to this case are George Zimmerman`s, the perpetrator and the killer of Trayvon Martin.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, ladies, we have to leave it right there. But thank you for a lively debate, and obviously, we stay all over this case.
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Post by: Blonde on September 12, 2012, 03:30:01 PM
Sorry I still stand my ground George Zimmerman should have stopped following Trayvon Martin when he was asked too, but this want to be cop didn't listen to the dispatcher  none of this would be going on JMO


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Post by: klaasend on September 12, 2012, 07:18:55 PM
Sorry I still stand my ground George Zimmerman should have stopped following Trayvon Martin when he was asked too, but this want to be cop didn't listen to the dispatcher  none of this would be going on JMO

I agree Blonde


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Post by: grace-land on September 12, 2012, 08:43:12 PM
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/stand-your-ground-laws-impact-needs-more-study-task-force-told/1251191

Stand Your Ground law's impact needs more study, task force told
Posted: Sep 12, 2012 05:17 PM

TALLAHASSEE — Lt. Gov. Jennifer Carroll has repeatedly said that the task force commissioned to look into Florida's controversial "Stand Your Ground" law will make its decision based on facts, not emotions.

But Carroll and 18 other task force members learned Wednesday that those facts — like many Stand Your Ground cases — can be difficult to pin down.

A University of Florida professor presented a slew of data tracking trends in crime, gun ownership and tourism since the 2005, but ultimately concluded that no definitive connections could be made yet to the Stand Your Ground law.
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Post by: grace-land on September 13, 2012, 08:07:40 PM
http://www.mysanfordherald.com/view/full_story/20139839/article-State-to-release-more-evidence-in-George-Zimmerman-caseState-to-release-more-evidence-in-George-Zimmerman-case?instance=home_news_right

State to release more evidence in George Zimmerman caseState to release more evidence in George Zimmerman case
September 13 2012

The State Attorney’s Office announced Thursday they will release another round of evidence in the case against George Zimmerman.

The release is expected to come Wednesday morning.
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Attorney Mark O’Mara said Zimmerman’s defense team is now preparing for a self-defense hearing, which could be months away.

Unlike a trial, the burden would be on the defense during the hearing to prove Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense. Also, the decision to dismiss Zimmerman’s charges would lie in the hands of the judge, rather than a jury.

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Post by: grace-land on September 13, 2012, 08:11:50 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-13/news/os-george-zimmerman-new-evidence-20120913_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-cell-phone-records

State to release more George Zimmerman evidence next week
11:33 a.m. EST, September 13, 2012

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The records are among those given to Zimmerman's defense last month, including 217 photos from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, eight photos taken by a private investigator hired by Trayvon's family, Zimmerman's school records from Manassas, Va., eight incident reports and the cell phone records of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, who Zimmerman shot Feb. 26 in Sanford.

It's likely that some of those documents will not be made public in the evidence release next week. School records are typically exempt from public release, as are cell phone records.


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Post by: cookie on September 13, 2012, 08:16:09 PM
Sorry I still stand my ground George Zimmerman should have stopped following Trayvon Martin when he was asked too, but this want to be cop didn't listen to the dispatcher  none of this would be going on JMO

I agree Blonde

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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on September 14, 2012, 10:29:16 AM
Sorry I still stand my ground George Zimmerman should have stopped following Trayvon Martin when he was asked too, but this want to be cop didn't listen to the dispatcher  none of this would be going on JMO

if you listen to the 911 call, he did stop.

IF the Martin family would have kept a better eye on their son, none of this would have happened. I blame the parents.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on September 14, 2012, 10:30:25 AM
Trayvon Martin's parents will be on the Dr. Phil show.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/video/7724688-dr-phil-talks-to-trayvon-martins-parents/


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Post by: iluvmua on September 14, 2012, 10:32:31 AM
Sorry I still stand my ground George Zimmerman should have stopped following Trayvon Martin when he was asked too, but this want to be cop didn't listen to the dispatcher  none of this would be going on JMO

if you listen to the 911 call, he did stop.

IF the Martin family would have kept a better eye on their son, none of this would have happened. I blame the parents.

I understand that a parent cannot keep an eye on their  child 24/7 but if they would have maybe payed better attention to him then maybe this would not have happened.







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Post by: grace-land on September 14, 2012, 01:16:01 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/trayvon-martin-to-go-under-the-public-microscope-like-george-zimmerman-did

Trayvon Martin to go under the public microscope, like George Zimmerman did
September 14, 2012
By: Radell Smith

On Friday, Sept. 14, the Orlando Sentinel stated that in response to the defense seeking Trayvon Martin's social media records and school records, which could show behavioral issues and more about the deceased, that the prosecution will release additional records on the accused next week.
 
The family of the deceased has called the defense's request for personal records as "character assassination" and a "witch hunt," but any criminal defense attorney worth their salt calls it putting on a complete defense for their accused client.
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Yet if nothing derogatory is found on the dead youth, then what harm is there in requesting records that show him as an exemplary young man without any known gang ties or issues about conduct unbecoming?

Wednesday, Sept. 19 appears to be the date the public will get that answer, with the state slated to release their last batch of evidence regarding the shooting that took the life of the youth on school suspension, and the defense finally obtaining all the data from schools sought 10 days earlier.
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Post by: grace-land on September 14, 2012, 08:03:20 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2012/09/trayvon-martins-mom-i-want-a-legacy-that-lives-forever-in-his-name.html

Trayvon Martin’s mom: ‘I want a legacy that lives on forever in his name’
Dr. Phil, George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin, WOFL — posted by halboedeker on September, 14 2012 4:11 PM

Trayvon Martin’s parents shared their grief in an episode telecast nationally Friday on “Dr. Phil,” and they received on-air counseling from Dr. Phil McGraw.
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McGraw repeatedly offered words of support for the parents, and he replayed scenes from his season premiere, in which he lectured a friend who defended Zimmerman.
 
Fulton said that she didn’t consider an apology from Zimmerman, given in court, to be sincere. Fulton said the family wants a trial “so that the person that committed this crime is held accountable for what he had done.”
 
McGraw asked members of the studio audience to stand if they had compassion for Trayvon’s family, and it looked as if everyone stood. He also volunteered to help Trayvon’s parents with their foundation.
 
“Dr. Phil” airs at 3 p.m. weekdays on WOFL-Channel 35.


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Post by: grace-land on September 15, 2012, 12:10:42 AM
http://www.wdbo.com/news/news/local/city-sanford-hires-texas-consulting-firm-find-new-/nSBNb/

Posted: 6:45 a.m. Friday, Sept. 14, 2012
City of Sanford hires firm to find new police chief

SANFORD, Fla. —
The city of Sanford has hired some help to find its new police chief.

City manager Norton Bonaparte fired Chief Bill Lee back in June over how he handled the Trayvon Martin shooting.

Now, the same headhunter that found Lee has been hired to find his replacement.

The city paid a Dallas company almost $25,000 to choose Lee to run this department. He came from just a few miles away at the Seminole County Sheriff's Office.

Lee was hired less than two years ago from a pool of 21 candidates found by Waters Consulting Group. Half of them were from Florida.
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Post by: cookie on September 16, 2012, 11:26:51 AM
Sorry I still stand my ground George Zimmerman should have stopped following Trayvon Martin when he was asked too, but this want to be cop didn't listen to the dispatcher  none of this would be going on JMO

if you listen to the 911 call, he did stop.

IF the Martin family would have kept a better eye on their son, none of this would have happened. I blame the parents.




really?  he was a 17 yr old kid walking home from a store when GZ started following him. i am no fan of Trayvons parents but any 17 yr old kid has the right to go to a convenience store without their parents with him!  do u also blame George"s parents for his behaviour in all of this?  And we r not really sure from the 911 tape if George really did stop following Trayvon.  just because he said OK to not following Trayvon, does not mean that he really did stop. jmo...


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Post by: sailcat on September 16, 2012, 01:45:59 PM
Sorry I still stand my ground George Zimmerman should have stopped following Trayvon Martin when he was asked too, but this want to be cop didn't listen to the dispatcher  none of this would be going on JMO

if you listen to the 911 call, he did stop.

IF the Martin family would have kept a better eye on their son, none of this would have happened. I blame the parents.




really?  he was a 17 yr old kid walking home from a store when GZ started following him. i am no fan of Trayvons parents but any 17 yr old kid has the right to go to a convenience store without their parents with him!  do u also blame George"s parents for his behaviour in all of this?  And we r not really sure from the 911 tape if George really did stop following Trayvon.  just because he said OK to not following Trayvon, does not mean that he really did stop. jmo...

Well said, Cookie! The kid was minding his own business - doing nothing wrong - and did NOT deserve to die. I am really baffled by anyone who can blame anyone other than George Zimmerman for this whole sorry incident.


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Post by: grace-land on September 17, 2012, 01:41:47 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/09/legal-system-treats-celebs-differently-dershowitz-says/

Sep 17, 2012 12:51pm
Legal System Treats Celebs Differently, Dershowitz Says

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The outspoken attorney, now 74, is just as blunt in criticizing the prosecutors in the case of George Zimmerman, the Florida neighborhood watch officer charged in the death of black teenager Trayvon Martin.
 
“I think the prosecutor is going to be laughed out of court, in terms of charging him with murder,” he says. “This is not deliberate, willful murder. At most this could be manslaughter and like in some other cases when you overcharge you risk losing everything. So he might go completely scot-free.”
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Post by: grace-land on September 17, 2012, 02:03:18 PM
http://www.mysanfordherald.com/view/full_story/20180186/article-Shellie-Zimmerman-may-have-concealed-weapons-license-suspended-by-State?instance=home_news_right

Shellie Zimmerman may have concealed weapons license suspended by State
September 17 2012 at 1225

Shellie Zimmerman, wife of George Zimmerman, stands to lose her concealed weapons license according to a legal document filed by the State of Florida Division of Licensing.

According to the Division of Licensing the suspension stems from legal action, not a lack of renewal of the license. The notice of suspension was filed Sunday and gives Shellie 21 days to request a hearing to contest the action.
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Subsequently the State Attorney’s Office charged Shellie with perjury in mid-June. She is currently out of jail on a $1,000 bond and has her next court appearance on Sept. 19 in front of Judge Debra Nelson – the same judge handling George’s case.

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Post by: grace-land on September 17, 2012, 03:58:01 PM
http://www.bet.com/news/national/2012/09/17/lawyer-for-trayvon-s-parents-complain-about-zimmerman-facebook-request.html

Lawyer for Trayvon’s Parents Complain About Zimmerman Facebook Request
Posted: 09/17/2012 12:06 PM EDT

The lawyer for Trayvon Martin’s parents harshly criticized efforts by George Zimmerman’s attorneys to obtain the school records and Facebook information for the deceased 17-year-old high school student, saying they were irrelevant to the case.
 
“Zimmerman’s lawyers are attempting to assassinate Trayvon Martin’s character,” said Benjamin Crump, in an interview with BET.com. “Whatever Trayvon had on his Facebook page or whatever was in his school records have nothing to do with why Zimmerman shot him.”
 
Crump said he is seeking to obtain Zimmerman’s medical records.
 
“The medical condition and medical history of George Zimmerman is far more relevant to the case,” Crump said. “He was the one who did the shooting.”
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Post by: grace-land on September 18, 2012, 05:07:17 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-18/news/os-shellie-zimmerman-gun-permit-20120918_1_shellie-zimmerman-george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin

State moves to suspend Shellie Zimmerman's concealed weapons permit
3:04 p.m. EST, September 18, 2012

The state has published notice that it is on the verge of suspending Shellie Zimmerman's concealed weapons permit.
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She and her husband both have concealed weapons permits, according to authorities, but the Florida Division of Licensing bought a legal notice in the Sanford Herald Sunday, officially notifying her that it was on the verge of suspending hers.

It is taking that action after Special Prosecutor Angela Corey charged her with perjury, a felony, something that allows the state to temporarily yank her gun permit.

If convicted, she could lose it permanently.
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Shellie Zimmerman is scheduled to appear in court in Sanford tomorrow for a routine "docket sounding" hearing in her perjury case. That's a hearing at which attorneys for both sides will tell Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson whether they are ready for trial.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 19, 2012, 11:44:54 AM
Links to the discovery documents can be found in the article.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/9/19/new_documents_expect.html

New documents show only Zimmerman's DNA on gun
Last Updated: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 @ 11:08AM

SANFORD --
The latest release of discovery documents in the case against George Zimmerman includes photos, documents, audio recordings and email records.
 
The state Attorney's Office release its sixth and seventh sets of supplemental discovery records in the case Wednesday morning. Some of that includes the FDLE forensic and DNA reports from the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot.
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Post by: grace-land on September 19, 2012, 12:28:18 PM
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/9/19/new_documents_expect.html

New documents show only Zimmerman's DNA idenfied on gun
Last Updated: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 @ 11:45AM

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The forensic test results rule out Trayvon Martin's DNA from being on the grip of the gun that killed him on the night of February 26.
 
Zimmerman's DNA was also identified on the gun's holster, but no determination could be made as to whether Martin's DNA was on the holster as well, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
 
Zimmerman, who has been charged with second-degree murder for Martin's death, has pleaded not guilty, claiming self-defense. He is free on bond, but his exact whereabouts in Seminole County remain unknown.
 
The question of whose DNA is on the gun and holster could play a role in Zimmerman's defense. Zimmerman said Martin had been on top of him, slamming his head against the ground and smothering his mouth and nose with his hand and arm when he grabbed his gun from a holster on his waist before Martin could get it. He shot the teenager once in the chest.
 
Other documents released by prosecutors Wednesday include an audio recording of an interview with the clerk of a nearby 7-Eleven where Martin purchased Skittles and a can of iced tea moments before his confrontation with Zimmerman.
 
In the interview, conducted more than a month after the shooting, the clerk said he didn't remember Martin, and there was nothing about the teen that made him stand out in his mind.
 
"To be honest, I don't even remember that day," said the clerk, whose name was redacted.
 
Trayvon Martin's blood was identified on the bag of Skittles he was carrying.
 
There was also a sample taken from Martin's fingernails. According to the documents, there were no traces of anyone else's DNA found. Prosecutors could use that to argue that there was no fight or struggle, as Zimmerman described.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 19, 2012, 12:47:30 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-19/news/os-george-zimmerman-evidence-new-20120919_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-cell-phone-records

More George Zimmerman evidence released today
12:13 p.m. EST, September 19, 2012

Prosecutors today released another batch of evidence in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman, including more than 200 photos, but a quick review suggests there were no bombshells.

Orlando Sentinel reporters are currently reviewing it. Check back for updates.
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Post by: grace-land on September 19, 2012, 01:47:42 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-19/news/os-shellie-zimmerman-hearing-20120918_1_shellie-zimmerman-george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin

Shellie Zimmerman not expected in court at routine Wednesday hearing
9:27 a.m. EST, September 19, 2012

Shellie Zimmerman has a court date in Sanford Wednesday at 9 a.m. for a routine hearing in her perjury case, but she won't be there.

Defense attorney Kelly Sims wrote in an email to the Orlando Sentinel that she would not appear. He will, he wrote, and will ask for a continuance.

The hearing is called a "docket sounding", a short proceeding at which attorneys for both sides tell the judge, in this case Debra S. Nelson, whether they are ready for trial.

This case is nowhere near that. Sims has not yet asked to look at the state's evidence.
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Post by: kcrn on September 19, 2012, 03:02:19 PM
Sorry I still stand my ground George Zimmerman should have stopped following Trayvon Martin when he was asked too, but this want to be cop didn't listen to the dispatcher  none of this would be going on JMO

if you listen to the 911 call, he did stop.

IF the Martin family would have kept a better eye on their son, none of this would have happened. I blame the parents.




really?  he was a 17 yr old kid walking home from a store when GZ started following him. i am no fan of Trayvons parents but any 17 yr old kid has the right to go to a convenience store without their parents with him!  do u also blame George"s parents for his behaviour in all of this?  And we r not really sure from the 911 tape if George really did stop following Trayvon.  just because he said OK to not following Trayvon, does not mean that he really did stop. jmo...

Well said, Cookie! The kid was minding his own business - doing nothing wrong - and did NOT deserve to die. I am really baffled by anyone who can blame anyone other than George Zimmerman for this whole sorry incident.
iluvmua, while i dont blame the parents for the fact that he was out in the neighborhood as i think any normal 17 year old has that kind of independece, i do think they are nothing more than junior cindy & george anthonys cashing in on their dead child. As far as your opinions on who is at fault in this case, i agree with u there. They both were & nothing will convince me otherwise at this point. If the trial brings out evidence we havent seen then i will eat my words if i am wrong. Fact is, gz was a little too overzeaolus in his pursuit but i wholeheartedly believe that this kid resented being followed & was up for the fight that ensued. It also makes me want to hurl watching these people play out the civil rights agenda & watching people martyr this kid & his parents.      ............My advice to u would be to skip this thread altogether unless you relish the attack that follows. Thats why i dont post or read this thread for the most part. I just wanted to let u know that someone agrees with u.


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Post by: kcrn on September 19, 2012, 03:04:29 PM
Sorry I still stand my ground George Zimmerman should have stopped following Trayvon Martin when he was asked too, but this want to be cop didn't listen to the dispatcher  none of this would be going on JMO

if you listen to the 911 call, he did stop.

IF the Martin family would have kept a better eye on their son, none of this would have happened. I blame the parents.




really?  he was a 17 yr old kid walking home from a store when GZ started following him. i am no fan of Trayvons parents but any 17 yr old kid has the right to go to a convenience store without their parents with him!  do u also blame George"s parents for his behaviour in all of this?  And we r not really sure from the 911 tape if George really did stop following Trayvon.  just because he said OK to not following Trayvon, does not mean that he really did stop. jmo...

Well said, Cookie! The kid was minding his own business - doing nothing wrong - and did NOT deserve to die. I am really baffled by anyone who can blame anyone other than George Zimmerman for this whole sorry incident.
iluvmua, while i dont blame the parents for the fact that he was out in the neighborhood as i think any normal 17 year old has that kind of independece, i do think they are nothing more than junior cindy & george anthonys cashing in on their dead child. As far as your opinions on who is at fault in this case, i agree with u there. They both were & nothing will convince me otherwise at this point. If the trial brings out evidence we havent seen then i will eat my words if i am wrong. Fact is, gz was a little too overzeaolus in his pursuit but i wholeheartedly believe that this kid resented being followed & was up for the fight that ensued. It also makes me want to hurl watching these people play out the civil rights agenda & watching people martyr this kid & his parents.      ............My advice to u would be to skip this thread altogether unless you relish the attack that follows. Thats why i dont post or read this thread for the most part. I just wanted to let u know that someone agrees with u.
oh, one last point re: we few that believe the fault here is not soley georges, i dont think ANYONE on either side would be callous enough to think this kid deserved to die.


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Post by: klaasend on September 19, 2012, 05:08:17 PM
MSNBC

http://tinyurl.com/8n7llyk

DNA tests exclude Martin from gun grip in Zimmerman case



WESH.com
updated 9/19/2012 12:49:36 PM ET

Another round of evidence was released Wednesday in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman.

The evidence includes a few diagrams from witnesses the defense noticed that were not included in the original evidence.

The results from forensic tests also included within the documents show that Zimmerman's DNA was the only one that could be identified on the grip of the gun used to shoot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

The results rule out Martin's DNA from being on the gun's grip.

Zimmerman's DNA also was identified on the gun's holster. The tests were inconclusive as to whether Martin's DNA was on the gun's holster.

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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 19, 2012, 08:49:23 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-19/news/os-george-zimmerman-evidence-new-20120919_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-cell-phone-records

New George Zimmerman evidence: Details on Trayvon's DNA on Zimmerman and vice versa
3:48 p.m. EST, September 19, 2012

State evidence released today in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case shows new details from a state crime lab that found Zimmerman's DNA on Trayvon Martin, the teenager he shot to death, and Trayvon's DNA on him.

But the gun that Zimmerman used to kill Trayvon that night – a gun that Zimmerman told police the teenager had reached for - revealed no evidence that Trayvon touched it.

State scientists checked several parts of the 9 mm handgun: its grip, trigger, slide and holster. They found Zimmerman's DNA and that belonging to other unidentifiable people but none that matched Trayvon, records show.

The gun evidence is important because Zimmerman told Sanford police he opened fire only after the 17-year-old pinned him to the ground and reached for the gun he wore holstered on his waist.

In a re-enactment for Sanford police the next day, Zimmerman did not say or show that the two had struggled over the gun, only that Trayvon had extended his hand toward it.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 19, 2012, 08:58:09 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2012/09/george-zimmerman-could-emails-cause-trial-to-be-moved.html

George Zimmerman: Could emails cause trial to be moved?
George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin, WESH, WFTV, WKMG — posted by halboedeker on September, 19 2012 8:03 PM

When more documents were released in the George Zimmerman case Wednesday, television focused on the emails received by fired Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee.
 
Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in the fatal Feb. 26 shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
 
The emails “include threats like ‘you’re going down.’ Most of the 45,000 messages choking his in box call for justice for Martin,” WESH-Channel 2’s Bob Kealing said.
 
WFTV-Channel 9 anchor Bob Opsahl said the emails came from around the world and Lee tried to respond to some.
 
“He tried, but it’s clear Chief Bill Lee was overwhelmed,” WFTV’s Daralene Jones said. “We haven’t even put a dent in this stack of 49,000 emails he received.”
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WOFL-Channel 35 legal analyst Diana Tennis speculated that the negative emails could result in a change of venue.
 
Tennis said: “This is going to be what the defense can point to and say, ‘Look at what the tenor of this town was. Look how angry the community was. Not just one email, not just two, but thousands of them. We do not know at what point, if ever, the mood in this town will turn around and be favorable or fair to George Zimmerman. We need to take this to another county.’ ”


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Post by: grace-land on September 20, 2012, 12:48:45 AM
http://www.lawyerherald.com/articles/2095/20120919/george-zimmerman-update-travyon-martin-s-dna.htm

George Zimmerman Update: Travyon Martin’s DNA Not Found on Gun, Crucial Evidence for Prosecutors?
Sep 19, 2012 02:02 PM EDT

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While the Associated Press' Mike Schneider thinks this new evidence might prove beneficial to the prosecutor, this notion might seem a tad bit misleading. Although the evidence will do them no harm, it might not weigh as heavily as one might expect. Zimmerman and his lawyer Mark O'mara have always claimed self-defense. Zimmerman has never explicitly mentioned that Martin ever touched the gun. He did confess that the teenager smashed his head on the road and reached for the holster, but department says that it has not determined if Martin's DNA can be found on the holster.

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Post by: cookie on September 20, 2012, 10:52:17 AM
I am not on either side on this case. I don't know enough about what really happened anymore than the next person posting on here. I have not seen anyone being attacked on this thread for their views so I would encourage all to feel welcome to post their feelings.
I just feel that if GZ would have not pursued TM none of this would have happened. Trayvon may had resented GZ from following him and fought back, or even started the fight by throwing the first punch? None of us will ever really know the truth. But what caused the whole incident to occur? George did. Jmo. We don't know at this point what truly happened except that someone is dead.
I can't stand TM's parents for trying to profit off of the death of their son. I also think that GZ has profited from this death as well from contributions from others. Again all my opinion. I can see how this case could go either way. I do think that there is a huge chance that GZ will be convicted. I just want a fair trial and if he is found guilty, then so be it. If he is found innocent, then so be it.


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Post by: grace-land on September 20, 2012, 11:45:33 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-19/news/os-shellie-zimmerman-docket-sounding-20120919_1_shellie-zimmerman-george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin

Shellie Zimmerman gets a continuance in perjury case
12:54 p.m. EST, September 19, 2012

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Defense attorney Kelly Sims is not, so he asked for a delay, and Nelson granted it, according to court minutes.

Sims has not yet asked to look at the state's evidence.

The judge set Zimmerman's next hearing, also a docket sounding, for Oct. 17.
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Post by: grace-land on September 20, 2012, 10:08:50 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/state-attorney-elect-jeff-ashton-sends-firing-lett/nSGjd/

Posted: 4:21 p.m. Thursday, Sept. 20, 2012
State attorney elect Jeff Ashton sends 'firing' letters to prosecutors

ORLANDO, Fla. —
Just months before state attorney elect Jeff Ashton takes over the State Attorney's Office, letters were sent to the homes of prosecutors, telling them they would be fired.
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Veteran prosecutor Dorothy Segwick  also received the letter.

She is the wife of Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester, who recently recused himself from the Trayvon Martin case, after making disparaging comments about defendant George Zimmerman.

Ashton told WFTV he expects Lamar's No. 2, Bill Vose, and three others, including government corruption prosecutor Steve Foster, to leave voluntarily.


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Post by: grace-land on September 21, 2012, 01:58:19 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-20/news/os-george-zimmerman-school-records-fight-20120920_1_trayvon-martin-mark-o-mara-george-zimmerman-case

Prosecutors: Keep Trayvon Martin's school records secret
3:51 p.m. EST, September 20, 2012|

SANFORD – The lead prosecutor in the George Zimmerman case is suggesting that defense attorney Mark O'Mara is trying to create a media feeding frenzy by digging up Trayvon Martin's school disciplinary records.

In a new pleading, Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda asks Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson to seal whatever those records show and in the future to keep O'Mara's subpoenas a secret.

O'Mara is entitled to go on a fishing expedition to find out about Trayvon's past, according to court paperwork de la Rionda filed Wednesday, but "he is not allowed to chum the waters and then, by innuendo or otherwise, to publish irrelevant items … to the media in an attempt to influence public perception or otherwise curry favor with potential jurors."

De la Rionda also Wednesday filed a new evidence list – his eighth. It shows that a book and television appearance by Zimmerman's self-proclaimed best friend, former Seminole County deputy Mark Osterman, are now officially part of the case prosecutors are building against Zimmerman.

Zimmerman, 28, is free on $1 million bail, awaiting trial on a second-degree murder charge. He says he killed Trayvon, an unarmed black 17-year-old, in self-defense.

The fight over Trayvon's school records, though, could mean more secret court filings and hearings.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on September 21, 2012, 10:30:21 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-18/news/os-george-zimmerman-osterman-book-20120918_1_trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-shellie-zimmerman

George Zimmerman's friends in book: 'Guilty or innocent, he will lose'
8:07 p.m. EST, September 18, 2012

In a new book, the couple who hid George Zimmerman for weeks after he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin reveal personal details of what life was like for Zimmerman as he became, according to friends Mark and Sondra Osterman, "the most hated man in America."

The Ostermans' book, titled "Defending Our Friend: The Most Hated Man in America," explores Zimmerman's life in the aftermath of the Feb. 26 shooting in Sanford.
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Zimmerman's legal team tweeted last week that Osterman's book "although well-intentioned" is "ill-timed" and "NOT approved by the defense." However, Osterman told the Sentinel that Zimmerman gave him permission to write it before his arrest in April. He said he has not talked to George Zimmerman since his arrest, on lead defense lawyer Mark O'Mara's advice.


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Post by: cookie on September 23, 2012, 12:00:09 AM
everybody wants to cash in on another person"s demise..who the heck would bother reading a book by friends of George ?


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Post by: grace-land on September 23, 2012, 11:39:41 AM
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/09/23/trayvon-martins-family-will-speak-at-local-conference-helping-parents-deal-with-violence/

Trayvon Martin’s Family Will Speak At Local Conference Helping Parents Deal With Violence
September 23, 2012 4:00 AM

PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – The family of Trayvon Martin is headed to Philadelphia in two weeks for a conference focused on curtailing violence in the Black community.
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Mitchell says the Martin family and their attorneys will speak, as well as local and national civic leaders and mentors.
 
“We have a press conference followed by a town meeting at Zion Baptist Church where not only will Mr. Crump- the Trayvon Martin family attorney will be speaking, but also Mr. Dick Gregory, long-time civil rights activist, we have Michael Coard,” she says.
 
She says the town meeting and much of the conference is free and open to the public, but there will be a luncheon and brunch fundraiser for the Trayvon Martin Family Defense Fund.
 
The Conference runs October 5th through 7th.
 
For more info on times, locations and costs CLICK HERE.


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Post by: iluvmua on September 23, 2012, 11:47:13 PM
What really ticks me off about TM's parents is:

1. profiting off of their dead son

2. saying that GZ purposely went after their son.

First, they want an apology from GZ and they got one but according to them it was not sencere (sp)? second, TM's mother wanted GZ to answer some Q's she had, well he did and she still is not satisfied.

nobody thinks that TM should be dead.

I'm sorry but TM's records, just like GZ's should be brought to light.

everybody knows the Prosecution is probably going to bring up his old myspace page from 2005 and other things from years past about GZ.

IF the prosecution has some sort of evidence that GZ Did intend to kill TM then by all means GZ needs to go to prison, but if not he needs to be cleared and let go.

JMO.

and of course his parents are going to object about his Twitter, Facebook, Myspace (if he had one) etc. because it's not going to portray their son as this innocent angel that they have been portraying in the media and they know it.

When I first heard this story I saw the photo of TM in the red shirt and I thought he was either 12 years old or a really young looking 17 year old.

Then I started reading more and more about this case and sided with the defender as more evidence came out and how the media portrayed TM and George.

very very rarely would I ever side with a defendant, but in this case I do but only because the evidence so far backs up his story.

Anyways, I though this story was interesting: It's another stand your ground case, I thought ya'll would like to read it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/26/bo-morrison-killing-like-trayvon-martin_n_1381325.html

JMO



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Post by: cookie on September 24, 2012, 10:04:07 AM
thanks Iluvmua


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Post by: grace-land on September 24, 2012, 09:32:08 PM
Video at link

http://www.myfoxla.com/story/19628152/missed-opportunities-in-robert-zimmermans-apology

Missed Opportunities In Robert Zimmerman's Apology
Posted: Sep 24, 2012 6:49 PM CDTUpdated: Sep 24, 2012 7:00 PM CDT
Written by: Robin Sax, FOX 11 Legal Analyst

He had a message and he chose to come to FOX 11's Good Day LA to give it.   The message was an apology written months ago, tweaked over the course of time, but delivered succinctly today.  "Less is more," laser focus, and cause no damage were apparent tenants to the PR strategy.  His written apology and even his interview seemed to echo the philosophy that less said, less damage. But in his efforts to do no harm did he miss opportunities to influence the court of public opinion?

WATCH: Robert Zimmerman reads the apology on Good Day LA.

 The George Zimmerman case (or Trayvon Martin case depending on your vantage point) has become the quintessential race case of the century.  The divisiveness of race is not just amongst the public but the players as well.   Prosecutor Angela Corey articulated from the beginning that this was a killing that was motivated by race.  On the flip side, others believe that it's the media that made this case of race—a theory seemingly supported by the news organization that edited the tapes of the 911 call.
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Video link:  http://www.myfoxla.com/video?clipId=7761331&topVideoCatNo=240600&autoStart=true


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Post by: grace-land on September 24, 2012, 09:37:53 PM
http://wavenewspapers.com/article_307c894c-067f-11e2-8ba5-0019bb30f31a.html

Robert Zimmerman: My family is not racist
Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 10:36 am | Updated: 12:59 pm, Mon Sep 24, 2012.

Robert Zimmerman, whose brother, George, is awaiting trial on a charge of second-degree murder in the shooting death of African American teenager Trayvon Martin in Florida, told a Southland television station Monday that his family is not racist.

"I'm trying to re-introduce our family in the right light," Zimmerman said in an interview on Fox 11.

George Zimmerman, 28, is free on bail and awaiting trial in the Feb. 26 shooting death. He has acknowledged shooting Martin but maintains he acted in self defense.

Robert Zimmerman began by reading a statement:

"I must begin by stating that the only persons qualified or authorized to speak on matters regarding the legal proceedings involving my brother, George Zimmerman, are his attorneys," Zimmerman said. "They are the only ones who will speak on his behalf. My words are based on my recollection and are my attempt to illustrate the original sentiments of my parents, my sister and myself at the time of the incident."

Zimmerman said his family was not able to directly contact Martin's family privately after the shooting.

"If there had been an opportunity immediately following Trayvon's passing for his family to hear from the members of the Zimmerman family they had not yet heard from, we would have expressed our condolences on the loss of their son and brother," he said.

"The truth is that we would never take comfort in the knowledge that any human being has passed away, no matter what the circumstances surrounding their death may be."
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Post by: grace-land on September 25, 2012, 03:49:24 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2012/09/zimmerman-attorney-to-speak-at-gun-rights-conference.html

Zimmerman attorney to speak at Gun Rights Conference
September, 25 2012 1:37 PM

Mark O’Meara, the attorney representing George Zimmerman against charges she murdered Trayvon Martin after a confrontation in a Sanford gated community earlier this year, is one of the panelists at the 27th annual Gun Rights Policy Conference this weekend at the Hyatt Regency Airport Hotel in Orlando.
 
The conference, sponsored by the Second Amendment Foundation  and Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is billed as “an opportunity for firearms owners to meet and discuss important issues pending at the local and national levels.” It’s free and open to the public. You can register at www.saf.org.
 
The groups’ press release is below the jump:
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Post by: grace-land on September 25, 2012, 09:59:07 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-trayvon-martin-school-records-hearing-20120925,0,6186343.story

George Zimmerman judge schedules hearing on Trayvon's school records 
3:50 p.m. EDT, September 25, 2012

A Sanford judge has set an Oct. 19 hearing so that George Zimmerman's lawyer and prosecutors can argue over what to do about Trayvon Martin's school records.

Trayvon is the unarmed black 17-year-old whom Zimmerman fatally shot Feb. 26 in Sanford.

Earlier this month defense attorney Mark O'Mara issued subpoenas for the school records, making clear that he wants to look at Trayvon's disciplinary records, attendance, test scores and other information.

Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda accused O'Mara of trying to start a media feeding frenzy – he used the phrase "chum the waters" – with that request.

Trayvon's school records have become a contentious issue because police reported that he was in Sanford the night he was shot – and not in high school in Miami-Dade – because he'd been suspended for 10 days after officials found him with an empty marijuana baggie.
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Post by: grace-land on September 27, 2012, 02:31:48 AM
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/world/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-case-zimmerman-asking-judge-review-medical-records-before-release

George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin case: Zimmerman asking judge review medical records before release
Posted: 09/26/2012
 
ORLANDO, Fla.  -- The former neighborhood watch leader charged with fatally shooting Trayvon Martin is objecting to prosecutors' request for his medical records.

George Zimmerman asked a judge this week to stop a subpoena for his medical records. A hearing is set for Friday.

Zimmerman says the request is too broad and will include information that is irrelevant.
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Post by: grace-land on September 28, 2012, 02:38:16 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-depositions-fdle-20120928,0,5163291.story

George Zimmerman's lawyers begin depositions, interview FDLE analysts
11:43 a.m. EDT, September 28, 2012

George Zimmerman's defense attorneys have begun the process of deposing prosecution witnesses in the second-degree murder case he faces in the February shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

In a court notice filed in Seminole County on Thursday, Zimmerman attorney Mark O'Mara indicated that he had conducted depositions with several members of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement the previous day.

That includes an FDLE crime lab analyst who tested evidence in the case for DNA, including Zimmerman's gun, his flashlight, his holster and his and Trayvon's clothing.

Those tests failed to find Trayvon's DNA on the gun, which Zimmerman says Trayvon reached for before the fatal shooting. Zimmerman's DNA was found on the teen and vice-versa, suggesting the two were in close contact.

The deposition process is a routine element of trial preparation, in which the state and defense conduct out-of-court interrogations with witnesses expected to testify for the opposition.
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Post by: cecilita on September 29, 2012, 07:37:55 PM
I didn't know that Travon reached the gun.


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Post by: grace-land on September 29, 2012, 09:47:59 PM
I didn't know that Travon reached the gun.

If I understand it correctly, Trayvon reached for the gun, but he never touched it.

Quote
In a re-enactment for Sanford police the next day, Zimmerman did not say or show that the two had struggled over the gun, only that Trayvon had extended his hand toward it.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-19/news/os-george-zimmerman-evidence-new-20120919_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-cell-phone-records
New George Zimmerman evidence: Details on Trayvon's DNA on Zimmerman and vice versa
3:48 p.m. EST, September 19, 2012


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Post by: grace-land on September 29, 2012, 09:53:38 PM
Three-page article

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/tv/os-george-zimmerman-race-not-the-issue-20120929,0,5839446.story

George Zimmerman's lawyer: Plight of young black men isn't the issue
7:32 p.m. EDT, September 29, 2012

Mark O'Mara, the attorney for George Zimmerman, talked to me for a story on media coverage of the Zimmerman-Trayvon Martinstory.
We spoke Wednesday at his offices in downtown Orlando. We talked about the case, the coverage and his client, who is charged with second-degree murder in the death of  Martin.

O'Mara became familiar to many in Central Florida for his analysis of the Casey Anthony case for WKMG-Channel 6. Here's an edited version of our conversation:
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Post by: grace-land on September 29, 2012, 10:28:49 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2012/09/trayvon-martin-attorney-call-race-the-elephant-in-the-room.html

Trayvon Martin: Attorney calls race ‘the elephant in the room’
George Zimmerman, Orlando Sentinel, Trayvon Martin — posted by halboedeker on September, 29 2012 7:02 PM

Benjamin Crump, attorney for Trayvon Martin’s family, talked to the Sentinel for our story on media coverage of the Martin-George Zimmerman story.
 
Here are edited excerpts from my colleague Martin E. Comas’ phone interview with Crump. The story about the Martin-Zimmerman coverage is in Sunday’s edition of the Sentinel.
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Post by: sharon on October 02, 2012, 10:59:20 AM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/01/3029918/businesses-cash-in-on-trayvon.html

Posted on Tuesday, 10.02.12

Businesses cash in on Trayvon Inc.

 
A photographer seeking compensation for a picture she took of Trayvon Martin shows how in times of tragedy, many people and companies end up profiting.

By Frances Robles
frobles@MiamiHerald.com

An iconic photograph of a young Trayvon Martin in his Bulldogs football uniform, staring stone-faced into the camera, has been published in print and online around the world.

The Optimist Club team photographer, Lucricia Woodside of North Miami, owns the copyright to the picture and never authorized its use. Now she is a member of a growing number of entrepreneurs, artists and even some opportunists who have found ways to cash in on a new cottage industry.

Call it Trayvon Inc.

Woodside’s attorney sent letters earlier this month to news organizations and bloggers advising that after the teen’s death, her company, Photos “R” Us, registered the photo’s copyright, and anyone who published it owes her license fees. She seeks $500 from those who published the picture before she registered the copyright and $750 for those who ran it afterward. The lawyer identified at least 300 unauthorized uses of the photo, which was clearly marked as belonging to Photos “R” Us.

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Post by: grace-land on October 03, 2012, 04:33:17 PM
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/10/3/george_zimmerman_cas.html

George Zimmerman case hearing moved
Last Updated: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 @ 08:15AM

SANFORD --
A hearing scheduled for today in the Case Against George Zimmerman has been moved.
 
Attorneys for both sides will meet for a docket sounding on October 17. It's a short proceeding in which they will tell the judge whether or not they're ready for trial.
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Post by: grace-land on October 03, 2012, 08:12:11 PM
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/world/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-case-sanford-police-department-gets-re-accredited

George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin case: Sanford Police Department gets re-accredited
Posted: 7:47 AM
Last Updated: 12 hours and 5 minutes ago (October 3, 2012)

SANFORD, Fla. -- The police department that initially investigated the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin is getting re-accredited.

The Sanford Police Department announced Tuesday that the Commission for Florida Law Enforcement Accreditation unanimously voted to re-accredit the agency.
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Post by: grace-land on October 04, 2012, 01:28:57 AM
http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/nbc_sued_over_trayvon_tape_oVUCWcX6E8sU8FLDxAvHyJ

NBC sued over Trayvon tape
Last Updated: 12:08 AM, October 4, 2012
Posted: 12:03 AM, October 4, 2012

 Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman is suing NBC over the network’s botched editing of his 911 tape, Page Six can exclusively reveal. We hear Zimmerman’s attorneys are about to file a complaint against NBC and its top executives, naming news president Steve Capus and correspondent Ron Allen, who was the reporter on the scene for the broadcast on “Today” on March 27. He also remained the reporter for the story on “NBC Nightly News.” A source tells us, “The suit will be filed imminently against NBC and its news executives. The network’s legal department has put everybody in the news department involved with this incident on notice, telling them not to comment.” NBC launched an internal probe after producers misleadingly edited the 911 call placed by Zimmerman just before he shot the unarmed Florida teenager. The edit made it appear that Zimmerman had immediately told police that Martin was black, when the full tape reveals the neighborhood watch captain only did so when responding to a question posed by a dispatcher.  ::snipping2::
 



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Post by: grace-land on October 04, 2012, 05:28:18 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-sues-nbc-911-edit-20121004,0,7280887.story

George Zimmerman may sue NBC over edited tape
5:49 a.m. EDT, October 4, 2012

George Zimmerman's attorney on Tuesday confirmed his client is considering a defamation lawsuit against NBC over the misleading edit of a tape that he said made his client "appear he is a racist."

In a statement released Thursday, Mark O'Mara said the repeated broadcast of Zimmerman's edited call to a Sanford Police non-emergency line in March was "outrageous."

He said the news network's edits endangered Zimmerman's safety.

"Due in large part to NBC's actions, George has had to live in hiding, in fear for his life," he wrote.

The tape, which aired March 27 on the "Today" show and in a report by an NBC-owned station in South Florida days earlier, made it sound as if Zimmerman volunteered to authorities that 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was black in his non-emergency call to police before the shooting.

However, he made the remark in response to a dispatcher's question. The edits cut out the question that prompted Zimmerman's answer.

NBC later apologized. Three employees were let go as a result of the misleading editing, according to reports.

O'Mara said Zimmerman's lawyers are collaborating with outside counsel for the lawsuit. Currently, there are no defamation lawyers on the defense team. O'Mara's firm specializes in criminal and family law. Co-counsel Don West specializes in criminal law.
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Post by: grace-land on October 04, 2012, 05:35:09 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-sues-nbc-911-edit-20121004,0,7280887.story

George Zimmerman may sue NBC over edited tape
4:06 p.m. EDT, October 4, 2012

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Jon Kaney, an experienced media lawyer and general counsel to Florida's First Amendment Foundation, said there are several elements of defamation that need to be addressed in Zimmerman's claim.

The most basic: Is the edited audio defamatory? That's subject to interpretation, Kaney said.

"[Zimmerman] begins with an argument that's based on an implication. NBC did not say he is a racist," Kaney said.

Zimmerman went into hiding soon after the shooting, weeks before the "Today" report. In the interrim, the case sparked international outrage, focused largely on Zimmerman.

Zimmerman's high profile raises another key issue: Whether he was a public figure in the eyes of the law at the time of the alleged defamation.

If so, Kaney said, he'd have to show NBC "knew the statement was falsely made, or acted with reckless disregard for its truth or falsity."

Zimmerman is a public figure "by anybody's definition," said Al Tompkins, senior faculty at the Poynter Institute, who added Zimmerman would have difficulty proving he was damaged by NBC's editing.

"You have to find evidence they caused harm," Tompkins said. "I think it's highly unlikely that he would prevail."

Why sue? Tompkins said taking on NBC "puts [Zimmerman] in a victim's role rather than a perpetrator's role," and media outlets "often settle this kind of stuff out of court because the cost of litigation can be very high."

However, "I can't imagine NBC settling a case like this," Tompkins said.
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Post by: grace-land on October 05, 2012, 05:34:28 PM
http://www.wogx.com/story/19735856/firm-hired-to-find-new-police-chief-for-sanford

Firm hired to find new police chief for Sanford
Posted: Oct 04, 2012 11:02 AM CDT Updated: Oct 04, 2012 11:03 AM CDT

SATELLITE BEACH, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35 ORLANDO) -
No one has applied for the job of Sanford's top cop, city officials tell us, so a firm has been hired a firm to find qualified applicants.   Residents have had plenty to say about what they want.

Waters Consulting Group of Texas plans to put ads in law enforcement magazines and do other advertising. They plan to have a large pool of people and cut the number down in series.

"We think it's extremely critical that we know what the recruitment profile is before we go out and attract anybody," Chuck Rohre, Senior Consultant for the Recruitment Division within The Waters Consulting Group (WCG).

The firm held a meeting at Sanford City Hall to see what residents had to say about qualities they want in a new chief.  Trust and respect were on the top of the list to improve race relations.
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Post by: grace-land on October 08, 2012, 04:38:06 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-twitter-20121008,0,5140038.story

Hearing set for George Zimmerman's request to subpoena Trayvon Martin's school, social media
8:22 p.m. EDT, October 8, 2012

A new hearing has been set in George Zimmerman's second-degree murder case, during which his attorneys will ask a judge to allow them to subpoena the school and social media records of Trayvon Martin.

Zimmerman's defense has asked for subpoenas for records from the teenager's middle and high schools, as well as his Twitter and Facebook accounts. A hearing has been set for Oct. 19.
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Zimmerman's defense is also asking for a continuance. In a motion, the defense team writes that "at least 50-75" witness depositions must be completed in the case before it will be ready for trial.
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In a third new motion, O'Mara asked to be allowed to review the court's copy of a recorded law enforcement interview of a woman identified as "Witness 9." That witness, in two interviews made public in the case already, accused Zimmerman of disliking black people and of molesting her when they were both young.
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Post by: grace-land on October 08, 2012, 04:43:17 PM
http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/08/live-tonight-george-zimmermans-mom-gladys-gives-her-first-tv-interview-to-piers-morgan/

October 8th, 2012  03:56 PM ET
Live Tonight: George Zimmerman's mom Gladys gives her first TV interview to Piers Morgan

Coming up this evening at 9, "Piers Morgan Tonight" welcomes back Robert Zimmerman Jr., George Zimmerman's brother. The brothers' mother, Gladys Zimmerman, will also join Piers Morgan exclusively in her first TV interview.
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Post by: MuffyBee on October 09, 2012, 09:09:55 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1210/08/pmt.01.html
PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT

Romney Blasts Obama on the Middle East; Nate Silver on Horserace; Romney's Surge with Women; George Zimmerman's Mother Speaks; Alabama Student Killed

Aired October 8, 2012 - 21:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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Also, a worldwide exclusive. What you haven't heard about the man who shot Trayvon Martin, the first television interview with George Zimmerman's mother. Plus his brother Robert. Why he says there's more to the story.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, TRAYVON MARTIN'S SHOOTER: He said, you're going to die tomorrow, (EXPLETIVE DELETED). And I just grabbed my firearm and I shot him.
(END VIDEO CLIP)

MORGAN: This is PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT.
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Coming up, she's asked us to keep her in the shadows to protect her identity. The mother of the man who shot Trayvon Martin finally breaks the silence and talked to me exclusively. Gladys Zimmerman joins me next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: My main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know, if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon and you know, I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and that we're going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.

(END VIDEO CLIP)MORGAN: Reaction to the Trayvon Martin case reached all the way to the White House. Tonight for the first time, George Zimmerman's mother tells me what she knows about her son and what may have happened the night Trayvon Martin was shot.

Gladys Zimmerman joins me now exclusively along with George's brother, Robert, who's been one of my guests before.

Welcome to you both. And Gladys, you've asked us to keep your face in shadows to protect your identity and we respect that. I'm aware that you haven't given any interviews before. Why do you want to talk out now?

GLADYS ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S MOTHER: I feel that it's about time, the time that all this commotion was happening, we were

forced to leave our home. We were forced to just disappear and because of the death threats that we were getting, it was very dangerous for us to -- even to think about to come to defend our son.

MORGAN: Tell me, Gladys, when you think back to that night that Trayvon Martin was killed and you first discovered that George had fired the gun that killed him, how did you feel as his mother? What went through your mind in that moment?

G. ZIMMERMAN: At that moment it feel like I couldn't believe what had happened. I felt that -- that the world had turned upside down. To me it was like a nightmare. I just couldn't -- just couldn't believe what had happened. I mean to me it was unbelievable. I was very sad. I was very sad for my son and for the person who had departed. Very, very sad.

MORGAN: I mean, so many lives have been affected and ruined by what's happened here. Obviously George is facing a murder trial now if he's convicted, he may face 25, 30 years in prison. Have you come to grips with that possibility?

G. ZIMMERMAN: I'm sorry? I didn't understand your question?

MORGAN: Have you -- have you come to terms with the possibility that George may go to prison for 25 or 30 years if he's found guilty?

G. ZIMMERMAN: I believe in the judicial system. I believe from the beginning that, you know, he is innocent, and I mean, the media had played a big role against my son. They had portrayed him in a bad, bad picture. But there is justice in America, and I believe in justice.

MORGAN: Do you -- as his mother, do you wish that George had never gone out carrying a gun that evening?

G. ZIMMERMAN: Mr. Morgan, there are so many things that we, you know, can wish as parents, but I will not answer to that question because I don't want, you know, people to elaborate of what, you know, the mother has said.

MORGAN: If you had the chance, Gladys, to talk to Trayvon Martin's parents, what would you say to them?

G. ZIMMERMAN: It was already said by a statement that my son had made public.



MORGAN: But I mean, how do you -- how would you phrase it? What would you say as a mother to another mother who had lost her son?

G. ZIMMERMAN: That I'm deeply sorry for what had happened. It is a tremendous tragedy for both families. I'm very sorry for the loss of their son.

MORGAN: Let me just ask Robert quickly. Robert, you obviously as a family, it's been hellish for you as well and to say otherwise is to ignore the reality of your situation. You weren't there on the night, nor was your mother. How is George doing now, how is he coping with incarceration, how is he coping with the impending trial?

ROBERT ZIMMERMAN, JR., GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S BROTHER: Well, he's not incarcerated right now. He's released. The order requires that he stay in Seminole County so as you can imagine that's a little bit restrictive.

MORGAN: But isn't it a form of incarceration? I mean how free is he to go about?

R. ZIMMERMAN: That's right, that's exactly right, it is restrictive. He's free in one sense that he can meet with his attorneys. It's important that he participates in his defense and that he contributes any way that he can, but in a word, George would be recovering. He was diagnosed with PTSD. I told you that in March. Among other things that I told you, such as his injuries that appeared to you to not exist. Based on that videotape that ABC released, based on a lot of things people were releasing and saying that have now proven not to be true.

So he's recovering from the world turning against him, the media barrage that convicted him ahead of time, and he hasn't been convicted of any crime. And I think that's a very hard reality to face every day for him.
MORGAN: Let's take a short break. We're going to come back and talk more to you, Robert, and to your mother, Gladys. I want to talk really about what life is like for you as the family of one of the most notorious figures in America right now. The death threats you've had and so on and how you're dealing with it.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ZIMMERMAN: Hello. This is George Zimmerman. First and foremost, I want to thank you all for visiting the real GeorgeZimmerman.com. We re-launched this Web site to once again thank you, my supporters. My intention was and still is to personally and individually thank you all. However, I wanted to take this opportunity to thank you, the masses.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MORGAN: George Zimmerman thanking his supporters. Back with me now is his mother, Gladys, who's asked us to keep her face in shadow to protect her identity, and here with me in the studio, George Zimmerman's brother, Robert.

Welcome both to you again. Gladys, let me ask you a difficult question. If the situation had been reversed, if it had been George who was going back to visit a family relative, having gone to a store who was unarmed, and he got into an altercation with somebody, Trayvon Martin, for argument's sake, and Trayvon Martin had produced a gun and shot your son dead, do you think you would feel differently about what happened?

G. ZIMMERMAN: Mr. Morgan, I don't want to touch anything that has to do directly with the case. It's very important for me as a mother not to touch for the sanctity of the case, the prosecution and the defense, that I would rather not talk about anything that will affect the case. I rather would like to talk about my son.

MORGAN: Yes, tell me this --

(CROSSTALK)

G. ZIMMERMAN: And a human person that is on.


MORGAN: I understand, and I respect, I respect that you can't talk about the case. So let me ask you about George. What is the most annoying misconception that you keep having to hear or read about your son? Because some people see him as this brutal killer, a racist, somebody who -- you know, abused his ex-girlfriend and so on. A lot of this must be very hurtful to you as his mother. What are the things that have really upset you?

G. ZIMMERMAN: The most? That he was called racist. The most. That is something that , you know, people who don't know George and people who knew George they didn't bother to come up front and said, no, he's not racist.

Let me mention one case, the case of Mr. Sherman Weir. He -- he was a homeless African-American man who was beaten and hit left unconscious on the pavement by a young man. Now this Mr. Weir because he was homeless or because he was African-American, nobody defended him except my son. My son took the time to elaborate and to go and make flyers and go to churches, African-American churches, leave flyers on every car, stay there for every church session and pass flyers and get the community together to go to a council meeting back in 2011.

MORGAN: I mean, we have heard -- we have heard -- Gladys, we have heard stories like this about George. And certainly many members of his family and friends have rushed to say, he's not a racist. It doesn't mean --

G. ZIMMERMAN: Yes.

MORGAN: It doesn't mean necessarily he didn't in some way perhaps subliminally racially profile Trayvon Martin. He's sort of a young black boy in an area where there had been burglaries, and he didn't think the worst. It may have been that that was the case. We may never know the case to that.
Tell me this on a wider point. Do you think that regardless of what happens in this case, would you like to see tougher gun control laws in America?

G. ZIMMERMAN: It -- excuse me. It is hard to tell. I'm not into a study for that law, but I have to tell you that there's more people being killed -- excuse me. There's more people being killed by guns where the state had, you know, have a regulation for gun control. That's, you know, what I have learned. Right now, I'm not in the position to say, you know, oh, yes, let's do this, let's do that with gun control. I'm sorry, my head is some place else.


MORGAN: OK. Gladys, I understand, we have to leave it there. Thank you very much for joining me. I do appreciate it's taken a lot of courage on your part to do this and that you're concerned about your security and of your family. So I appreciate you joining me now and you, too, Robert, good to see you again.

R. ZIMMERMAN: Thanks for having me.

MORGAN: Coming up next, "Only in America."

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 10, 2012, 03:29:07 PM
Two-page article

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/09/3042361/george-zimmermans-brothers-media.html

George Zimmerman’s brother’s media tour leads to Twitter tirade in Trayvon case
Posted on Tuesday, 10.09.12

Seven months after the killing of unarmed high school junior Trayvon Martin, the killer’s family is on a national media crusade to clear the family’s name.

What began as a series of routine media interviews denying that George Zimmerman is a racist blew up into a Twitter rant Monday night. Zimmerman’s brother, Robert Zimmerman Jr., took to social media after midnight and vowed to make it his life’s work to have one of the Martin family attorneys disbarred. He said he would expose the lawyers and their publicist, “one by one, day by day.”

“I hope GOD grants you a long life so you live to repent for what you have done,” Robert Zimmerman Jr. wrote in a tweet directed to Natalie Jackson, one of the lawyers for the slain teen’s family.

In another, he wrote: “My Life’s work = you WILL be held accountable for your words/actions. You AINT seen NOTHIN’ yet... I will see U disbarred.”

The flap underscored the heated rhetoric still notable regarding an incident that polarized the nation, and the extent to which legal advisors in the case were blamed for it. The threats posted online also highlighted the difficulty the Zimmermans have had managing their message, and the defense team’s inability to control the client — or his family.

Defense attorney Mark O’Mara said he cringed when he saw a relative of his client acting out on the web, and said the new media tour was launched without George Zimmerman’s knowledge. His message to Robert Jr: “Be careful with my case.”

“I have been cautious with how we act in this case and now someone with the same last name who does not act with the same constraints is out there — and I have no control over him,” O’Mara said. “They felt it was time to let the world know that the Zimmerman family is a good family. That goal is a noble goal.

“But they do have to be sensitive to the environment in which we are telling this story. No matter what, George is still at risk here. And we still have a dead young man — that’s fresh on everyone‘s mind. That frustrates me.”
Read more...


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 11, 2012, 03:33:07 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-media-subpoena-fight-20121011,0,1742501.story

New York Times, CBS, NBC, others fight move to seal Zimmerman subpoenas
1:36 p.m. EDT, October 11, 2012

The New York Times, CBS News, NBC and several other media companies on Thursday challenged an attempt by prosecutors in the George Zimmerman murder case to keep secret any subpoenas issued by defense attorneys and whatever evidence they might produce.

What Special Prosecutor Angela Corey is asking Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson, according to a motion prepared by the media companies, is unjustifiable and out of line with what's required under Florida law.

"Closure simply cannot be ordered on a blanket, presumptive basis," wrote Scott Ponce, a Miami attorney representing more than a dozen news organizations, including The Wall Street Journal, Associated Press, The Tampa Bay Times and The Miami Herald.

Also Thursday, defense attorney Mark O'Mara demanded that prosecutors hand over all evidence they have related to a federal civil-rights investigation into the case.
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Lead prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda filed paperwork, asking the judge to keep secret whatever those subpoenas revealed. He also asked the judge to seal all future defense subpoena requests, at least until she could review them and decide whether they should be made public, and to hold secret hearings, if need be, to discuss the subpoenas and the evidence they produced.

In the media legal paperwork sent Thursday to De la Rionda and O'Mara, Ponce wrote that Florida case law does not allow what prosecutors are requesting: a blanket sealing of all future defense subpoenas and the evidence they produce, as well as an order prohibiting the public from attending future hearings about those issues.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 12, 2012, 01:56:23 PM
Video at link

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-police-depositions-20121012,0,5262035.story

O'Mara to depose eight Sanford cops next week
11:26 a.m. EDT, October 12, 2012

Defense attorney Mark O'Mara plans to depose eight Sanford cops and four Sanford fire-rescuers next week as George Zimmerman's team moves predictably into the next phase of its work, getting sworn statements from witnesses and pressing them with questions about what they saw, what they did and why they did it.

According to court paperwork filed yesterday, O'Mara will depose four Sanford officers Wednesday, including William Erwin, the investigator who conducted a voice stress test – something similar to a lie detector - on Zimmerman and concluded that he passed.

On Thursday O'Mara is scheduled to depose four other Sanford officers, mostly managers who were at the crime scene, including Sgt. Ricardo Ayala and Tony Raimondo, both of whom performed CPR on Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black 17-year-old whom Zimmerman killed.

That same day, O'Mara is to depose four Sanford Fire Department first responders, including the first ones to reach Trayvon. They include Mike Brandy, the paramedic who pronounced the teenager dead.

Notably absent from the two witness lists are Officer Tim Smith, the first officer on the scene, and Chris Serino, the case's lead investigator. They will likely be deposed later.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 12, 2012, 09:31:41 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-race-fight-fbi-fdle-20121012,0,6973848.story

O'Mara's strategy shift: Race has no place in Zimmerman case
8:09 p.m. EDT, October 12, 2012

George Zimmerman's lawyers this week signaled a new tactic: They intend to prove that race has no place in Zimmerman's prosecution.

It is a risky move, given that Zimmerman is accused of murder in one of the most incendiary criminal cases in the country, one that sent thousands of civil-rights protesters into the streets earlier this year, demanding his arrest.

On Thursday, defense attorney Mark O'Mara filed paperwork asking Special Prosecutor Angela Corey to turn over all the evidence she has showing whether 29-year-old Zimmerman, who is Hispanic, violated the civil rights of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black 17-year-old he fatally shot in Sanford on Feb. 26.

Specifically, O'Mara asked for records from the FBI, the U.S. Department of Justice, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and local law-enforcement agencies that would reveal whether investigators found that Zimmerman was motivated by race or acted to deprive Trayvon of his civil rights.

In an unusually long blog post Wednesday, O'Mara wrote that if race is a factor in this case, it's not because of Zimmerman — it's because Sanford police did not make an immediate arrest.
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In March, under pressure from national civil-rights leaders who had trekked to Sanford — including the Rev. Jesse Jackson, the Rev. Al Sharpton and Benjamin Jealous, the national president of the NAACP — the Department of Justice launched a civil-rights investigation.

It is still under way, FBI spokesman Dave Couvertier reported Thursday.

The Department of Justice would not give a status report, offer a preliminary summary of its findings or say when it might be concluded.

But Corey's office in July released several documents showing that FBI agents had interviewed three dozen of Zimmerman's friends, family members, co-workers and neighbors and found no evidence that he used racial epithets or is bigoted.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 12, 2012, 09:36:23 PM
http://gzlegalcase.com/

Race and the George Zimmerman Case
on 10 October 2012.

In an interview with the Orlando Sentinel posted September 29, 2012, Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump describes race as the “elephant in the room” in the George Zimmerman case.

The term “elephant in the room” typically describes something that people won’t talk about -- despite how obvious and apparent it is. This term is misapplied in this case. Mr. Crump has led a chorus of voices in drawing attention to the race factor in the George Zimmerman case, including comments from the President of the United States. While it can be safely argued that it is largely the question of civil rights issues that has made the George Zimmerman case a national -- and international -- story, there is nothing to support the contention of racism in the Zimmerman case.

The real “elephant in the room,” however, is that race should not be a factor in the George Zimmerman case, and should never have been made one.

Here are Benjamin Crump’s full remarks:

"It shouldn’t be about race. But race is the elephant in the room. Nobody believes that if you make Trayvon Martin white [and the Neighborhood Watch volunteer black], there’s no way he would not be arrested, and that’s the unfortunate and tragic truth of the matter. There is a double standard. That’s why race is involved in this case.”

Let’s forget for a moment that George Zimmerman is Hispanic, not white. What Mr. Crump is saying is that race is an issue in the George Zimmerman case because, he insists, that if a black man shot a white person in a similar situation, the black man would have been immediately arrested. This is not an indictment of George Zimmerman; this is fundamentally an accusation that the Sanford Police Department acted in a racist way, and that perhaps the criminal justice system at large is biased against black men.
 
The truth is that there is credible evidence that black men are overrepresented in the criminal justice system, and that is evidence of an underlying problem. Mark O’Mara and Don West have each spent a career in criminal defense fighting against racial bias in the justice system that affected many of their clients. This is something that needs to be discussed as a nation, and if this case has brought that conversation to the forefront, then now is the time to have that conversation.

Mr. Crump is right in talking about the George Zimmerman case when he says: “It shouldn’t be about race.” But by projecting race onto the George Zimmerman case, Mr. Crump is pinning a supposed civil rights victory on a Zimmerman conviction. The problem is that by associating a Zimmerman conviction with a civil rights victory, Mr. Crump has framed a scenario where a Zimmerman victory in a Self-Defense Immunity Hearing or a Zimmerman acquittal will represent a civil rights defeat. That is inappropriate and dangerous to us as a nation.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 12, 2012, 09:42:14 PM
http://gzlegalcase.com/

Regarding Robert Zimmerman Jr.'s Media Campaign and Twitter Comments
on 11 October 2012.

Regarding Robert Zimmerman Jr.'s media campaign and Twitter comments, Robert is acting on behalf of his family, and he is not acting with the approval or the input of the defense team. We're naturally concerned about anyone associated with the case speaking publicly, because there is always a risk that their comments could complicate our defense efforts. The Zimmerman family has been through a lot, and they have been frequently misrepresented in the media, so we do not begrudge Robert for wanting to speak out and set the record straight.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on October 13, 2012, 07:31:29 PM
Here's what I think about how the trial is going to go down.  Race is out of the question as far as death or not..what is in question is that a man of legal age murdered a child in cold blood because he was an over zealous vigilante.  There is no room for anything else.  A teen walking home from a convenience store is murdered by someone who does not recognize him as a regular in the neighborhood..although he was there visiting a parent.  How does that equate to murder unless someone pushed the fear button too fast. 
The whole vigilantly stance in the US has gone to far.  Yes you have a right to protect yourself..but you do not have the right to question someone being on a street in your neighborhood just because you do not know them..and then pushing that issue to the point of murdering them.  I am sick and tired of people living like the old West..I have a gun and I will use it..really..this man belongs in jail..he is a fool..you don't shoot teens because you don't know them..and that is what this boiled down too.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on October 14, 2012, 05:25:10 AM
Here's what I think about how the trial is going to go down.  Race is out of the question as far as death or not..what is in question is that a man of legal age murdered a child in cold blood because he was an over zealous vigilante.  There is no room for anything else.  A teen walking home from a convenience store is murdered by someone who does not recognize him as a regular in the neighborhood..although he was there visiting a parent.  How does that equate to murder unless someone pushed the fear button too fast. 
The whole vigilantly stance in the US has gone to far.  Yes you have a right to protect yourself..but you do not have the right to question someone being on a street in your neighborhood just because you do not know them..and then pushing that issue to the point of murdering them.  I am sick and tired of people living like the old West..I have a gun and I will use it..really..this man belongs in jail..he is a fool..you don't shoot teens because you don't know them..and that is what this boiled down too.

He shot Tray because he was pushing George's head into the cement... and tossing him around like a beanie baby. I would have shot him just for coming at me in a menacing manner... which is also allowed.  But I now see the wisdom of waiting. George has actual photographic proof to document the fact that he was severely beaten. Leaving him no other choice but to do what he did.

Anything George did or didn't do up to the point of being jumped (as long as it complies with the law) really means very little. His flaws and shortcomings -- they mean very little, as well.

I agree with you on the old wild west thing, though. Chicago, IL 2012 - 500 homicides - shootings around the clock. From cars, bicycles, streets, lots, alleys, and even right in broad daylight.

They have the strictest gun control in the USA. Criminals know there is no way to fight back there --- it's a shooting gallery.

Gun crimes have gone down consistently since the passage of stand your ground in Florida. It is supported by roughly 75% of the population. I think it may be tweaked post Trayvon, but I don't

see it vanishing anytime soon. Too many keep voting for it.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 14, 2012, 02:45:05 PM
Here's what I think about how the trial is going to go down.  Race is out of the question as far as death or not..what is in question is that a man of legal age murdered a child in cold blood because he was an over zealous vigilante.  There is no room for anything else.  A teen walking home from a convenience store is murdered by someone who does not recognize him as a regular in the neighborhood..although he was there visiting a parent.  How does that equate to murder unless someone pushed the fear button too fast. 
The whole vigilantly stance in the US has gone to far.  Yes you have a right to protect yourself..but you do not have the right to question someone being on a street in your neighborhood just because you do not know them..and then pushing that issue to the point of murdering them.  I am sick and tired of people living like the old West..I have a gun and I will use it..really..this man belongs in jail..he is a fool..you don't shoot teens because you don't know them..and that is what this boiled down too.

He shot Tray because he was pushing George's head into the cement... and tossing him around like a beanie baby. I would have shot him just for coming at me in a menacing manner... which is also allowed.  But I now see the wisdom of waiting. George has actual photographic proof to document the fact that he was severely beaten. Leaving him no other choice but to do what he did.

Anything George did or didn't do up to the point of being jumped (as long as it complies with the law) really means very little. His flaws and shortcomings -- they mean very little, as well.

I agree with you on the old wild west thing, though. Chicago, IL 2012 - 500 homicides - shootings around the clock. From cars, bicycles, streets, lots, alleys, and even right in broad daylight.

They have the strictest gun control in the USA. Criminals know there is no way to fight back there --- it's a shooting gallery.

Gun crimes have gone down consistently since the passage of stand your ground in Florida. It is supported by roughly 75% of the population. I think it may be tweaked post Trayvon, but I don't

see it vanishing anytime soon. Too many keep voting for it.

How do you know Tray came at George in a menacing manner, threw him around, and pushed his head into the ground?  George is a proven liar.  The images of his superficial wounds only show an altercation took place, they are not evidence that George's story is an accurate portrayal of what happened.

George could easily have been the attacker, threatening Trayvon, pulling aside his shirt to reveal his gun as he approaching the teen, then Trayvon reacted to the George's threat.  Trayvon's body was far away from the sidewalk George was walking on as he followed Tray, a clear indication George was 'going after' Trayvon.  I do not believe Trayvon pulled George away from the sidewalk, that scenario makes no sense.  Trayvon probably did punch George to the ground as George was coming after Tray which caused scratching to George's head when he went down, but if Tray was repeatedly hitting his head on the concrete as George would like us to believe there would have been far more and worse contusions, especially on a baldie.

Trayvon then sat on George to hold him still and figure out what George wanted and why he was following him.  Tray was trying to stop the threat and at this point likely called for help because he couldn't sit there and hold George, who he knew had a weapon, all night.  Somehow George broke his hand free, pulled his weapon, and shot the kid.

George was the aggressor as I see it and all of his actions leading up to the shooting matter very much to the outcome. 





Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on October 14, 2012, 06:36:21 PM
Hi Amysistser - I appreciate your passion in the defense of Tray -- and your articulate points, you make well.

I don't see how anyone can look at the pictures of George's wounds which he needed many stitches to zip back up...

Also, beware of Tray's autopsy report that speaks of his many bruised knuckles (consistent with throwing punches)

Additionally knowing - George not only volunteered to take a liar detector test --- he took two! The guilty have a lot to

lose by taking them. Yet, he did and they were consistent with his version of events. His scars -- consistent with what

he said.  I think if it wasn't for the race pimps, who make a great deal of cash on these unfortunate events --- and

the Ministry of "Truth" and their sadistic  Media Machine Multiple Crime Scenario Generator stayed out of it. (abc/cbs/nbc/fox/cnn/)

George would be out on the streets by now. Much like this one that happened at close to the same time frame.

Attorney for shooter recently cleared in Palm Harbor 'Stand Your Ground' case says his client just wants to move on and be left alone
 By Kameel Stanley, Times Staff Writer
 In Print: Wednesday, September 26, 2012

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/article1253356.ece

Trayvon wasn't special in what he did. Neither was Zimmerman. It was a political op. that chose this one to try and create it into a football game for the masses. Presidents should never toss their two cents in on a case --- it makes it personal and causes controversy and it devolves into chaos. Yet, this is precisely what BO did. He could have gotten more people killed with this foul move!!!

It's simple: Justifiable Homicide *** provided all evidence lines up with the victim's story. It does. If he failed the lie detector tests (both) I'd be the first to say, hey something doesn't add up. Get him in here --- let's go at him again!

Angela Corey better be sitting on something huge to jail a man who should have been let go that night. It would have to be huge
to raise this to 2nd degree murder charge-- which sounds IMPOSSIBLE. If she doesn't have that big piece of evidence... I see her working
in WALMART by the year 2015. She will be destroyed, if that is the case. If we write laws that are subject to change by who gets
their feelings hurt most, expressing it with uncontrollable rage --- we will have MOB RULES! Mobocracies die a chaotic death.

Think Mad Max or Planet of the Apes as an ending... that's how those wind up. ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on October 14, 2012, 11:04:45 PM
'Halloween Hoodie' campaign spins off of Trayvon Martin's shooting death
 orlandosentinel.com ^ | 10/14/2012 | Arelis R. Hernández

Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2012 6:16:21 PM by massmike

If a young man walks by wearing a sweatshirt with a hood tight around the chin, face somewhat concealed and hands tucked inside the pouch pockets, what comes to mind?

Thug? A mugging is imminent? What's in his hands? Trayvon Martin?

More often than not, Rochelle Oliver and Gauis Benbow believe, its a negative stereotype that emerges. That's what they are trying to challenge with their "Halloween Hoodie" campaign — an effort to have Americans of all shades don hoodies on the one day of the year when fear is supposed to be fun.

"The hoodie is this ubiquitous piece of clothing that everyone wears but when black people wear it, it's interpreted as a symbol of criminal activity," Benbow said, a 30-year-old Miami-based graphic artist. "There are a lot of stereotypes that get thrown around and we need to be aware of them to deconstruct them."

He teamed up with Oliver, an independent producer in South Florida, after a conversation about Halloween festivities turned into a discussion about the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

"This isn't about being pro-Trayvon. It's about being anti-stereotyping," Oliver said "Seeing someone wearing a hoodie on Halloween will hopefully allow people to examine what they are feeling if they are scared or why they may be judging the person as a threat."   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2944834/posts


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 14, 2012, 11:56:19 PM
"A responder at the crime scene told CBS News that he and others saw wounds on the knuckles of one of Martin's hands as he lay dead on this lawn. This suggests that Martin had thrown a punch."

"The case also includes Zimmerman's medical report the day after the shooting, which listed a broken nose, two black eyes and a cut in the back of the head."

"A source also told CBS News an unreleased police report noted Zimmerman's sweatshirt had "grass stains, and was wet on the back."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57436083-504083/trayvon-martin-shooting-autopsy-results-say-slain-teen-had-injuries-to-his-knuckles/



"No stitches were needed to close the head cuts, which he was advised to clean with soap and water daily. Zimmerman reported no headaches, blurred vision or loss of hearing."

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/07/doctor-zimmerman-suffered-no-serious-head-trauma/1




Hey Carpe.  The above mentioned injuries show only one of Trayvon's hands had knuckle wounds and George did not need stitches.  I think this fits with the scenario I outlined in which Trayvon was acting defensively to protect himself.



Lie detector tests are largely unreliable.  According to this article the polygraph is only admissable in Florida courts as evidence if both the prosecutor and the defense agree to it so I'm not sure we'll see them in this trial.

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/admissability-of-polygraph-tests-in-court.html










Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on October 15, 2012, 04:03:58 AM
George Zimmerman Defense Files Demand for Specific Discovery


Link to GZLegal: 
http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/court-documents/52-george-zimmerman-defense-files-demand-for-specific-discovery


Link to PDF:  http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/october_hearing/demand_for_specific_discovery.pdf


On October 11, 2012 the Zimmerman defense team filed a Demand for Specific Discovery requesting all records held by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Department of Justice Community Relations Services as they pertain the the organizations' respective investigations and communications regarding the State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman or any related matters, including the investigation of the Sanford Police Department’s handling of the initial investigation.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on October 15, 2012, 04:05:24 AM
http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/press-releases/51-race-and-the-george-zimmerman-case

Race and the George Zimmerman Case
on 10 October 2012.


In an interview with the Orlando Sentinel posted September 29, 2012, Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump describes race as the “elephant in the room” in the George Zimmerman case.

The term “elephant in the room” typically describes something that people won’t talk about -- despite how obvious and apparent it is. This term is misapplied in this case. Mr. Crump has led a chorus of voices in drawing attention to the race factor in the George Zimmerman case, including comments from the President of the United States. While it can be safely argued that it is largely the question of civil rights issues that has made the George Zimmerman case a national -- and international -- story, there is nothing to support the contention of racism in the Zimmerman case.

The real “elephant in the room,” however, is that race should not be a factor in the George Zimmerman case, and should never have been made one. (snip)


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on October 15, 2012, 04:06:05 AM
The Florida Evidence Manual:

Section 90.404(1)(b) allows evidence of a pertinent trait of character of the victim of a crime to be offered by an accused; or by the prosecution to rebut the trait; or evidence of a character trait of peacefulness of the victim offered by the prosecution in a homicide case to rebut evidence that the victim was the aggressor.


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Post by: carpe noctem on October 15, 2012, 05:17:48 AM
"A responder at the crime scene told CBS News that he and others saw wounds on the knuckles of one of Martin's hands as he lay dead on this lawn. This suggests that Martin had thrown a punch."

"The case also includes Zimmerman's medical report the day after the shooting, which listed a broken nose, two black eyes and a cut in the back of the head."

"A source also told CBS News an unreleased police report noted Zimmerman's sweatshirt had "grass stains, and was wet on the back."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57436083-504083/trayvon-martin-shooting-autopsy-results-say-slain-teen-had-injuries-to-his-knuckles/



"No stitches were needed to close the head cuts, which he was advised to clean with soap and water daily. Zimmerman reported no headaches, blurred vision or loss of hearing."

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/07/doctor-zimmerman-suffered-no-serious-head-trauma/1




Hey Carpe.  The above mentioned injuries show only one of Trayvon's hands had knuckle wounds and George did not need stitches.  I think this fits with the scenario I outlined in which Trayvon was acting defensively to protect himself.



Lie detector tests are largely unreliable.  According to this article the polygraph is only admissable in Florida courts as evidence if both the prosecutor and the defense agree to it so I'm not sure we'll see them in this trial.

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/admissability-of-polygraph-tests-in-court.html










Amy-

Point taken about the stitches. Thanks! Of course, he was still beaten by Trayvon. Which  I believe justifies what he had to do to stop it.

A reasonable person being attacked will fight back even if they have to kill to stop the assault.

I know lie detector results can't be used in court. This is not my point. Who said anything about using it in court?

----
kcrn -
Trayvon did not deserve to die, you are correct -- He chose it through actions and poor choices. There is a big difference.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 15, 2012, 11:41:46 AM
I think many of us would have done what GZ did. I do not think george murdered anyone. Killed Yes, Murdered No.

everything up to this point says that GZ is telling the truth and if anybody has any evidence that says otherwise, please post it here.

also, GZ only has to be in fear for his life in order to use his gun.

In order for GZ to be IMO, lying about the whole thing: GZ, his family, his attorney, The Police, dispatchers, EMT's Media (TV and News, Radio) etc.  ALL have to be lying.

it must be one big conspiracy.






Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 15, 2012, 12:01:22 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-zimmerman-discovery-complaints-20121015,0,4408070.story



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 15, 2012, 12:27:17 PM
I don't believe anyone has lied except George, his wife, and his father by ommission in the blog he created when he failed to mention he's a retired commissioner.

If the facts of the case are lined up, including statements of the EMT and other witnesses, the jury will still have a tough decision so the attorney's need to be very diligent.

A boy was killed.  This should go to court to either find the shooter innocent or guilty of murder.  I believe in the right to carry but unless it is painstakingly obvious it was used for self defense then it should go before a court of law.

As an example, a man shot an intruder as he came through his kitchen window.  The intruder was killed.  LE never arrested the homeowner and through forensics it was discovered the dead man had robbed numerous homes and businesses.  The stranger was coming through the window... painstakingly obvious his intentions were nefarious.

Here we have something completely different.  George was told to stay in his vehicle.  He was far off the sidewalk that leads back to his truck and he states in the video of the reenactment that he doesn't know how he got there, that Trayvon must have gotten him over there somehow.  He has made countless calls to 9-11 and shows clear frustration with people getting away before LE arrives.  It is not obvious that Trayvon was up to something nefarious or intended anyone harm.  We may believe that but there is no proof of his intentions.  The injuries do not tell the whole story.  Because he is dead he cannot speak for himself and so the case should be heard. 



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 15, 2012, 12:35:18 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-zimmerman-discovery-complaints-20121015,0,4408070.story



From the article:
"The state is simply not turning over what it should, West complained. For example, it's given defense attorneys grainy photocopies of crime scene photos instead of digital copies.

Prosecutors also have failed to turn over witness sketches, have handed over recordings that are unplayable and have failed to hand over certain witness interviews, West alleged.

"The state's approach to discovery has been to require the defense to figure out what the state has failed to provide and then ask for it rather than fulfill the state's legal obligation to provide complete and timely discovery," West wrote."


That's lame and unacceptable.  There's no reason for it that I can think of except to delay the inevitable and frustrate the defense.   



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 15, 2012, 01:57:42 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-zimmerman-discovery-complaints-20121015,0,4408070.story



From the article:
"The state is simply not turning over what it should, West complained. For example, it's given defense attorneys grainy photocopies of crime scene photos instead of digital copies.

Prosecutors also have failed to turn over witness sketches, have handed over recordings that are unplayable and have failed to hand over certain witness interviews, West alleged.

"The state's approach to discovery has been to require the defense to figure out what the state has failed to provide and then ask for it rather than fulfill the state's legal obligation to provide complete and timely discovery," West wrote."


That's lame and unacceptable.  There's no reason for it that I can think of except to delay the inevitable and frustrate the defense.   



yep, it is.

If the state was SO confident they would get a conviction, they would turn over everything.

I believe they have a very weak case and I believe  they know it.

it's going to be like the Duke Lacrosse scandal all over again. JMO



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: cookie on October 15, 2012, 07:03:47 PM
I don't believe anyone has lied except George, his wife, and his father by ommission in the blog he created when he failed to mention he's a retired commissioner.

If the facts of the case are lined up, including statements of the EMT and other witnesses, the jury will still have a tough decision so the attorney's need to be very diligent.

A boy was killed.  This should go to court to either find the shooter innocent or guilty of murder.  I believe in the right to carry but unless it is painstakingly obvious it was used for self defense then it should go before a court of law.

As an example, a man shot an intruder as he came through his kitchen window.  The intruder was killed.  LE never arrested the homeowner and through forensics it was discovered the dead man had robbed numerous homes and businesses.  The stranger was coming through the window... painstakingly obvious his intentions were nefarious.

Here we have something completely different.  George was told to stay in his vehicle.  He was far off the sidewalk that leads back to his truck and he states in the video of the reenactment that he doesn't know how he got there, that Trayvon must have gotten him over there somehow.  He has made countless calls to 9-11 and shows clear frustration with people getting away before LE arrives.  It is not obvious that Trayvon was up to something nefarious or intended anyone harm.  We may believe that but there is no proof of his intentions.  The injuries do not tell the whole story.  Because he is dead he cannot speak for himself and so the case should be heard. 



They did lie. But so did Trayvon's parents by showing a photo of him when he was years younger, to imply that he was a small young looking boy when in fact other photos have shown him to be a grown looking man. also, they "implied" that Trayvon was just your average kid who never got into any trouble when in fact he had been in quite a few scrapes himself, being expelled from school a few times, committing robberies etc...supposedly...
...
That being said, he did not deserve to die, he probably was minding his own business when GZ tried to play Barney Fife...things escalated and none of us will ever know what really happened that night except GZ cause Trayvon is dead. And we all know that GZ is going to say what ever he has to say to maintain that he is innocent of any wrong doing. hopefully a court of law will sort this mess out and justice will be served in what ever way that is the right way. jmo




Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 15, 2012, 10:32:24 PM
How much money to Trayvon's parents need? before they stopped asking for donations for the Justice fro Trayvon site, they had $35,000 and some change.

These parents are repulsive

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-trayvon-martin-stand-your-ground-20121015,0,3075360.story


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 16, 2012, 12:16:49 AM
Ok, so according to the website TM's parents set up they want the stand your ground laws to go bye bye.

Our lives were flipped upside down on February 26, 2012 when our son, Trayvon Martin, was taken from us. If losing our son was not enough, we were forced to live with the fact that his killer was out in the community while hiding behind a law that allows individuals to shoot first and ask questions later.

Stand your ground laws exist in 32 states across our nation, and have allowed people to escape responsibility. Although these laws have good intentions, their result has allowed shooters to avoid justice, and for families to not have an opportunity for closure in these tragic deaths.

Stand your ground is a solution in search of a problem, and it’s a terrible solution, with tragic results; like the death of our son. These laws need to be revised to require prosecutorial or judicial review.

We have created this movement to honor our son who taught us that live is truly beautiful. Please join the Change for Trayvon Martin movement today so that we can create change that saves lives and prevents parents from experiencing the grief that we have had to endure.

Your generous contributions will be used to educate voters, candidates, and elected officials on the impact these laws have on victims and families.

Join the movement today and help us create Change for Trayvon.

So they want anybody who used the SYG defense to be thrown in jail and punished even if  a person really was standing their ground?

I seriously do not get these people.

We need to include a link back to articles and websites if we're going to quote.  Please post the link and I'll add it to your post.  Thank you, Muffy.

Here is the Link: http://changefortrayvon.com/ <<<<<<< Edit to add link provided by iluvmua.  Thank you!  MB


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 16, 2012, 12:43:28 AM
From the article which was posted by iluvmua earlier today...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-zimmerman-discovery-complaints-20121015,0,4408070.story

Defense says state not turning over all evidence
7:00 p.m. EDT, October 15, 2012

 ::snipping2::
In a separate motion filed Monday, West asked the judge to order Corey's office to surrender photos in their original, digital format from one witness and from Sanford Police Officer Mike Wagner, who photographed Trayvon's body and Zimmerman's injuries the night of the shooting.

He also asked for the original audio recording Crump made when he interviewed a 16-year-old girl, perhaps the state's most important witness, who said she was on the phone with Trayvon when he and Zimmerman first exchanged words.

West asked for the names of everyone in the room during that interview, information about how ABC News got a copy of the recording and any reports by state or federal agencies that had access to the recording.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 16, 2012, 10:50:37 AM
Ok, so according to the website TM's parents set up they want the stand your ground laws to go bye bye.

Our lives were flipped upside down on February 26, 2012 when our son, Trayvon Martin, was taken from us. If losing our son was not enough, we were forced to live with the fact that his killer was out in the community while hiding behind a law that allows individuals to shoot first and ask questions later.

Stand your ground laws exist in 32 states across our nation, and have allowed people to escape responsibility. Although these laws have good intentions, their result has allowed shooters to avoid justice, and for families to not have an opportunity for closure in these tragic deaths.

Stand your ground is a solution in search of a problem, and it’s a terrible solution, with tragic results; like the death of our son. These laws need to be revised to require prosecutorial or judicial review.

We have created this movement to honor our son who taught us that live is truly beautiful. Please join the Change for Trayvon Martin movement today so that we can create change that saves lives and prevents parents from experiencing the grief that we have had to endure.

Your generous contributions will be used to educate voters, candidates, and elected officials on the impact these laws have on victims and families.

Join the movement today and help us create Change for Trayvon.

So they want anybody who used the SYG defense to be thrown in jail and punished even if  a person really was standing their ground?

I seriously do not get these people.

We need to include a link back to articles and websites if we're going to quote.  Please post the link and I'll add it to your post.  Thank you, Muffy.

 Here is the Link: http://changefortrayvon.com/ <<<<<Edit to add link provided by iluvmua.  Thank you!  MB

Here is the Link: http://changefortrayvon.com/  I've added it to both the original post and above quote.  Thank you!  MB


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 16, 2012, 12:32:02 PM
I feel nothing but compassion for the parents who had their young son taken from them.  I do not judge their desire to try and prevent this type of tragedy from happening again and I do not find them repulsive, they seem like caring parents to me.  I wish for them healing and am glad they are getting the trial they and Trayvon deserve.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 16, 2012, 01:01:05 PM
Maybe I should have clarified, I do not find them repulsive, what I find repulsive are their actions .

This is not a stand your ground case, it is a self defense case.

I would have more compassion for them if they decided not to lie from the very beginning.

They also need to quit playing the race card, this is not a racial issue.

maybe they don't fully understand the Stand your ground law. But it's like they are asking for anyone who uses that law to be punished and it simply is not fair to those who really do have a stand your ground case.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: cookie on October 16, 2012, 01:05:37 PM
My opinion...when did it become vogue to make money from your dead child?
I don't agree with this type of money making at all...

I am all for trying to prevent another family from suffering a tragic death of a child, but not while trying to pad your own bank account while doing so.
Where is all the donated money going to? Are the parents reporting this money as income! As well, I don't think that GZ should make money off of this tragedy as he already has as well. Jmo...paying off credit cards, paying off cars etc...not what the money was intended for. It should be going for the defense. The wife could be working . I don 't think that anyone would harm her. Most folks would not even know who she is. Did she finish her nurses training!


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 16, 2012, 01:19:09 PM
From what I understand Tracy and Sabryna only want closer investigative review when an individual claims the SYG law as a defense in the killing of another.  Even in a case of self defense most of the time the person is arrested unless it is very clear from the onset that the deceased intended to cause great bodily harm to the killer, ie... entered their home through a window with a weapon, many witnesses giving statements indicating it was an act of self defense, etc...

Based on the events that occurred between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman and the subsequent actions of LE what these parents are doing makes sense and I support it.  I don't want people to be able to kill another person, claim SYG, then a quick and shoddy investigation is done.

Anytime a life is taken we need to be sure the person who has taken it and the events leading up to it is investigated thoroughly and not just take the killer on his or her word.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 16, 2012, 01:29:44 PM
My opinion...when did it become vogue to make money from your dead child?
I don't agree with this type of money making at all...

I am all for trying to prevent another family from suffering a tragic death of a child, but not while trying to pad your own bank account while doing so.
Where is all the donated money going to? Are the parents reporting this money as income! As well, I don't think that GZ should make money off of this tragedy as he already has as well. Jmo...paying off credit cards, paying off cars etc...not what the money was intended for. It should be going for the defense. The wife could be working . I don 't think that anyone would harm her. Most folks would not even know who she is. Did she finish her nurses training!

It's a fair question Cookie and if you go to the Trayvon Martin web site I think you might find an inkling of where the money is going.

Someone here, maybe you, posted they have raised $35,000 plus.  IMO that's really not much money for what they are trying to accomplish.  The website indicates the funds are going toward awareness and lobbying, both of which cost money.  If they accept tax exempt donations then I believe they must publicly show where the money is going.  I would be willing to bet this information is available though I wouldn't know where to begin to look.

There is no evidence to date that I'm aware of that they are spending the donated funds in inappropriate ways.

I see FB pages on almost all of these missing and murdered people requesting donations with no indication of where the money will be going.  I can remember when a person died it was a glass container on the counter at the bank or a blurb in the newspaper 'money can be sent to ____'. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 16, 2012, 01:30:36 PM
My opinion...when did it become vogue to make money from your dead child?
I don't agree with this type of money making at all...

I am all for trying to prevent another family from suffering a tragic death of a child, but not while trying to pad your own bank account while doing so.
Where is all the donated money going to? Are the parents reporting this money as income! As well, I don't think that GZ should make money off of this tragedy as he already has as well. Jmo...paying off credit cards, paying off cars etc...not what the money was intended for. It should be going for the defense. The wife could be working . I don 't think that anyone would harm her. Most folks would not even know who she is. Did she finish her nurses training!

The website only says that they will not be making any money off of this at all.

I don't know If I believe that. 

GZ has not even gone to trial yet (if he does) and they want to make money for what reason?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/06/trayvon-martin-family-sued_n_1747835.html

The Justice fro Trayvon site got $35,000 and some change. It seems to me they are trying to make as much money as they can, any way they can.


JMO



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 16, 2012, 01:39:00 PM
This article states that Trayvon Martin's mother is seeking more than $75,000 in damages from the homeowners association.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/06/13149803-mother-of-trayvon-martin-seeks-damages-compensation-in-sons-death?lite

Article from August 6th.

They are putting the car way before the horse.

Let GZ have his trial first ( if it comes to that(



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 16, 2012, 01:52:55 PM
Anyways, I want to know why the prosecution is not handing over all the evidence.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: sharon on October 17, 2012, 10:28:12 AM
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/17/george-zimmerman-trial-set-for-june-10-defense-attorney-says/?hpt=hp_t3

 October 17th, 2012
09:45 AM ET
George Zimmerman trial set for June 10, defense attorney says

George Zimmerman will go on trial June 10 for the killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman's lawyer said Wednesday.

The neighborhood watch volunteer is charged with second-degree murder.  Zimmerman has claimed self-defense in the February 26 shooting, saying Martin charged him after the two exchanged words, knocked him to the ground and banged his head repeatedly against a concrete sidewalk.

Prosecutors say Zimmerman profiled Martin as a criminal and killed him, even though the teenager was doing nothing wrong.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty.

 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 17, 2012, 03:16:40 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-docket-sounding-20121017,0,3121347.story

George Zimmerman murder trial set for June 10
11:57 a.m. EDT, October 17, 2012

 ::snipping2::
This morning, Circuit Judge Debra Nelson set Zimmerman’s trial for June 10. Attorneys in the case said they estimate the trial will last three weeks. Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda said he expected jury selection would take longer than the trial itself.

The hearing, known as a docket sounding, lasted about six minutes. Though the judge set a date, Zimmerman attorney Mark O’Mara was noncommittal about when he’d be fully prepared.

“I don’t know today when we’ll be ready for trial,” he said.

After the hearing, Zimmerman's defense tweeted he will likely seek a hearing under the controversial self-defense law commonly known as “stand your ground” in the months leading up to trial.

The "self-defense immunity hearing [is] likely to be requested for April or May," the tweet said.

Zimmerman’s wife Shellie Zimmerman, 25, is charged with perjury, and her attorney was also in court for this morning. Prosecutors say she lied at her husband’s first bond hearing when she testified that the couple was broke.

Prosecutors agreed with Shellie Zimmerman’s lawyer to delay the next hearing in her case until Dec. 12. No trial date was set in that case.

Neither defendant appeared in court today. Both are living in hiding in Seminole County.

Wednesday’s hearing was Nelson’s first in the George Zimmerman case. She noted that she is set to be reassigned to civil and divorce cases in January, but said she will keep the case. The change in assignments, she said, should give her more flexibility and time for hearings.

Nearly two weeks ago, O’Mara formally asked the judge to delay the case. This week, co-counsel Don West filed paperwork, complaining that the special prosecutor in the case has failed to turn over all the evidence that’s required and had been uncooperative.

There’s another hearing in his case Friday. Among the things the judge will then hear is an argument about whether to allow O’Mara to subpoena Trayvon’s school records and whether the public should know about future defense subpoenas and what evidence they produce.

She’ll also hear argument about whether prosecutors are entitled to George Zimmerman’s medical records.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 17, 2012, 05:40:10 PM
Do all SYG/ SD cases have to go to trial?

I hope George is found not guilty, unless the Prosecution has some earth shattering evidence  that proves that he did not act in self defense.

JMO


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 17, 2012, 10:38:39 PM
I don't think so, iluvmua.  If the judge dismisses the charges during the "self-defense immunity hearing," the case does not go to trial.  If it goes to trial, the defense will probably use the self-defense argument.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/16/sanford-fla-trying-to-cope-with-trayvon-martin-killing/1637439/
Sanford, Fla., struggles to cope with Trayvon killing
3:01PM EDT October 17. 2012 - SANFORD, FLA

Quote

A trial date of June 10, 2013, was set by the judge Wednesday morning. Mark O'Mara, Zimmerman's lawyer, had said earlier that he didn't expect the trial to occur this year. O'Mara plans to have a self-defense immunity hearing where the judge, if she believes Zimmerman's claims of self-defense, could drop the charges.

Quote
“I think the facts seem to support that though we have a stand-your-ground immunity hearing, what this really is, is a simple, self-defense immunity hearing,” the defense attorney continued.
 
The second-degree murder charge would be dismissed immediately should a judge side with Zimmerman in the pretrial hearing.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 18, 2012, 05:43:25 PM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/article/278677/250/New-Black-Panther-Party-chief-of-staff-arrested

New Black Panther Party chief of staff Michelle Williams arrested
1:40 PM, Oct 18, 2012

Tampa, Florida -- The chief of staff of the controversial New Black Panthers political party is accused of selling a home she didn't own.
 
40-year-old Michelle Williams was arrested Tuesday night on a charge of Second Degree Grand Theft.  She was later released on $7,500 bond.
 ::snipping2::
Williams, a community activist who is the chief of staff for the New Black Panther Party, came under fire earlier this year when she called for a "dead or alive" bounty on George Zimmerman.
 ::snipping2::
Tuesday night's arrest is not Williams' first brush with the law.  Williams, who was previously known as Michelle Conyers, has been arrested on charges ranging from aggravated assault with a handgun to fraudulent use of personal information, fraudulent use of a credit card, petty theft, two previous counts of grand theft, two counts of forgery and exploitation of an elderly person.

She entered guilty pleas to several of the charges and was sentenced to restitution and probation, which she completed successfully. Before Tuesday, she hadn't been involved with the court system since 2005.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 18, 2012, 09:44:08 PM
http://www.wina.com/George-Zimmerman-s-medical-records-targeted-on-eve/11458736?newsId=172377

George Zimmerman's medical records targeted on eve of hearing
Posted: Thursday, 18 October 2012 05:13PM

ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teenager killed by Florida neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, called on Thursday for access to Zimmerman's confidential medical records if a judge approves a request for access to their son's school transcripts and other private documents.

Debra Nelson, the judge who set a tentative June 10 date for Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial, could approve a defense request for Martin's school and social media records at a hearing scheduled for Friday.

Prosecutors want the judge to seal any records obtained by the defense until the court decides whether the defense is entitled to those records, and whether they should be made public.

"George Zimmerman's medical records are far more relevant than Trayvon Martin's school records. They go directly to his state of mind when he pulled the trigger and took Trayvon's life," Ben Crump, lawyer for Trayvon's parents Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, told Reuters on Thursday.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 18, 2012, 09:50:45 PM
http://www.macon.com/2012/10/18/2218137/prosecutors-want-george-zimmermans.html

Prosecutors want George Zimmerman's lawyers muzzled
Published: October 18, 2012

MIAMI — The Duval County state attorney has a message for George Zimmerman's defense attorney: Zip it.

Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda filed papers Thursday in Seminole County Circuit Court asking a judge to muzzle defense attorney Mark O'Mara, whom the prosecutor accuses of taking to the Internet to try his case in the media.

"Unless defense counsel stops talking to the media about the case, in person or by use of defendant's website, it will (be) more difficult to find jurors who have not been influenced by the media accounts of the case," de la Rionda said. " ... An impartial jury could never be seated."

De la Rionda asked Circuit Judge Debra Nelson to issue a gag order, which would silence the defense, prosecutors, law enforcement and any of the lawyers' employees. If the judge agrees, lawyers and investigators would not be allowed to make any statements outside the courtroom about the case, evidence, credibility of witnesses or possible sentences. If the judge allows it, they would even be kept from opining about Zimmerman's guilt or innocence.

It's the second time de la Rionda makes such a request. He made the same motion in April before a different judge. That judge declined the request, but was later forced off the case for other reasons.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Heart on October 18, 2012, 10:10:22 PM
Maybe I should have clarified, I do not find them repulsive, what I find repulsive are their actions .

This is not a stand your ground case, it is a self defense case.

I would have more compassion for them if they decided not to lie from the very beginning.

They also need to quit playing the race card, this is not a racial issue.

maybe they don't fully understand the Stand your ground law. But it's like they are asking for anyone who uses that law to be punished and it simply is not fair to those who really do have a stand your ground case.




Zimmerman seeks ‘stand’ law hearing

 Zimmerman's defense team tweeted after the hearing that they will likely ask for a “stand your ground” hearing in April or May. Under Florida law, Zimmerman can request the hearing and argue his self-defense case before the trial. If the judge sides with

Zimmerman, the murder charge will be dismissed and there will be no trial.

Nelson took over the case in August after an appeals court said Judge Kenneth Lester should be removed for making disparaging remarks about Zimmerman's character.

more....   http://www.sfltimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11383&Itemid=331
Edit to add date of article.  MB  October 18, 2012


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Post by: labubske on October 18, 2012, 10:38:04 PM
Maybe I should have clarified, I do not find them repulsive, what I find repulsive are their actions .

This is not a stand your ground case, it is a self defense case.

I would have more compassion for them if they decided not to lie from the very beginning.

They also need to quit playing the race card, this is not a racial issue.

maybe they don't fully understand the Stand your ground law. But it's like they are asking for anyone who uses that law to be punished and it simply is not fair to those who really do have a stand your ground case.




Zimmerman seeks ‘stand’ law hearing

 Zimmerman's defense team tweeted after the hearing that they will likely ask for a “stand your ground” hearing in April or May. Under Florida law, Zimmerman can request the hearing and argue his self-defense case before the trial. If the judge sides with

Zimmerman, the murder charge will be dismissed and there will be no trial.

Nelson took over the case in August after an appeals court said Judge Kenneth Lester should be removed for making disparaging remarks about Zimmerman's character.

more....   http://www.sfltimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11383&Itemid=331


The way that I read this (from the entire article) is that they are doing this as part of a strategy...they are allowed to present it as such and then if it is accepted then the actual trial could be dismissed.  If I were his attorney, I would try it too.  But, from past reading his attorney doesn't want this to be a stand your ground case. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Heart on October 18, 2012, 11:30:08 PM
How much money to Trayvon's parents need? before they stopped asking for donations for the Justice fro Trayvon site, they had $35,000 and some change.

These parents are repulsive

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-trayvon-martin-stand-your-ground-20121015,0,3075360.story
How much does the Zimmerman's need, all of the Zimmermans before they stop asking for donations?

Zimmerman spent $36K in 18 days on phones, Internet, credit cards and bills

 Edit to add date of article.  MB  Posted on Tuesday, 07.17.12

By Frances Robles

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/17/2900145/zimmerman-spent-35k-on-cell-phones.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy
frobles@MiamiHerald.com

George Zimmerman went through almost $36,000 of contributions in 18 days spent mostly in jail, spending a bulk of his newfound cash on telecommunications, newly filed court records show.

Using funds donated from the public on the short-lived www.therealgeorgezimmerman.com, Zimmerman and his wife spent $6,500 on Internet and phone bills, according to a document his defense attorney filed with the judge. He and his wife bought new cell phones for $300 each and paid a year-long Verizon contract in full. They installed a telephone landline for $2,500 and spent $1,300 on a two-year AT&T wi-fi contract.

They paid off at least $7,000 in credit card bills.

They used $4,378 on automotive expenses, making payments on two car loans while renting another for more than $1,500. Gas: $800.

In a May letter to Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester, O’Mara called the spending “judicious.”

The money was donated to Zimmerman in the wake of the killing of Miami Gardens teenager Trayvon Martin. As the media spectacle heated up and marches around the country demanding Zimmerman’s arrest grew in size and number, Zimmerman turned to the Internet for donations.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/17/2900145/zimmerman-spent-35k-on-cell-phones.html#storylink=cpy


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on October 19, 2012, 11:55:52 AM
George Zimmerman Hearing:
Trayvon's parents to speak soon
10/19/'12

SANFORD – George Zimmerman will return to court this afternoon for a hearing about his request for Trayvon Martin's school records, but the slain teen's parents are expected to speak out against that pursuit before the courtroom drama begins.

They plan to hold a news conference outside the Seminole County courthouse before the hearing to talk about that and to raise funds for a political committee they've just created that's designed to donate money to political candidates who support changes to Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law.

Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson must decide whether to order Miami-Dade school officials to turn them over to Zimmerman's attorneys.

They want to find out about Trayvon's history of suspensions, his grades, attendance record and other things.

Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda says they're not relevant and has accused defense attorneys of going on a fishing expedition.

Trayvon's parents have denounced the effort, describing it as an attempt to further victimize their son.   ::snipping2:: 

Police say the 17-year-old Miami Gardens teenager was serving a 10-day suspension at the time of his death because school officials had found him with an empty marijuana baggie. O'Mara has already released to the public notes made by a physician's assistant, who treated Zimmerman the day after the shooting.

She wrote that he suffered a broken nose, cuts to his head and back pain.

De la Rionda is asking for more details, a request that O'Mara says violates his client's privacy.

The judge will also hear arguments from an attorney for more than a dozen news organizations – including The New York Times, CBS News, CNN and the Orlando Sentinel - who are fighting an attempt by prosecutors to seal defense subpoenas and the evidence they produce.

De la Rionda wants the judge to see all of those things first and decide, item by item, whether they should be made public. That could involve secret hearings.

Media attorney Scott Ponce says that does not comply with Florida's history of open courts nor with how previous appeals courts have ruled on requests to seal information.

The hearing is scheduled to start at 1:30 p.m.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/os-george-zimmerman-trayvon-records-hearing-20121019,0,2223422.story?track=rss


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on October 19, 2012, 12:26:56 PM
George Zimmerman hearing: Trayvon Martin's parents decry school records request
Zimmerman's lawyers are asking for Trayvon's school records.
10/19/'12

SANFORD – Hours before George Zimmerman will return to court for a hearing on his request for Trayvon Martin's school records, the teen's parents accused Zimmerman of needlessly attacking their slain son's character.

"I feel that Trayvon's school records are not relevant in this case," Trayvon's father Tracy Martin said this morning, adding that Zimmerman's medical records, also a pending issue for today's hearing, "are very relevant in the case."

"It is wrong to subpoena his records on so many levels," said Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump, who called the defense request "the old classic method of attacking the victim."

Crump said Zimmerman's medical records are relevant "to make sure we know what drugs was in his system" on the night of the shooting.

Trayvon's parents called the news conference outside the Seminole County courthouse to talk about the hearing and a political committee they've just created that's designed to raise money to fight Florida's "stand your ground" law.On Thursday, they called for a "Trayvon Martin amendment" to that law, which would specify, Crump said, that those claiming self-defense "cannot be the aggressor."

Prosecutors say Zimmerman profiled and pursued Trayvon before their fatal encounter. They've charged him with second-degree murder. Zimmerman says he was attacked by the teen and fired in self-defense.

Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson today will hear argument on whether to order Miami-Dade officials to turn Trayvon's school records over to Zimmerman's attorneys.

They want to find out about Trayvon's history of suspensions, his grades, attendance record and other things.

Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda says they're not relevant and has accused defense attorneys of going on a fishing expedition.

Trayvon's parents have denounced the effort, describing it as an attempt to further victimize their son.

Zimmerman, a 29-year-old Neighborhood Watch volunteer, shot Trayvon Feb. 26 in Sanford after calling police and describing the teenager as suspicious.

In a move surprising only in its timing, prosecutors Thursday asked the judge to issue a gag order, barring attorneys from talking about the case. It was clearly aimed at defense attorney Mark O'Mara.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-trayvon-records-hearing-20121019,0,7396929.story



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 19, 2012, 03:05:23 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-trayvon-records-hearing-20121019,0,7396929.story


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on October 19, 2012, 03:12:21 PM
Judge says George Zimmerman can subpoena Trayvon Martin's school, social media records
10/19/'12

SANFORD – George Zimmerman's attorneys can subpoena Trayvon Martin's schools for his discipline records, a judge ruled this afternoon, but must keep anything they obtain private.

"I think that you're entitled to those records," Circuit Judge Debra Nelson said.

Citing case law, Nelson explained that, though Zimmerman didn't know anything about the 17-year-old before the Feb. 26 shooting, the records could potentially show a history of behavior by Trayvon relevant to Zimmerman's self-defense claim.

The judge also granted Zimmerman's request to subpoena Trayvon's social media records, as well as those of a girl who says she was on the phone with him before the shooting.

Defense attorney Mark O'Mara argued that the records could reveal Trayvon's state of mind in the leadup to the shooting. That, O'Mara said, is crucial to the case.

"The issue in this case is who did what during those couple of minutes that we don’t know what happened," O'Mara said. He acknowledged that it "sounds horrible" to attack the character of the alleged victim in the case, but is necessary for Zimmerman's defense.

Meanwhile, the judge granted prosecutors access to Zimmerman's medical records, though she will review them privately first in order to determine what should be turned over.

The medical and school records will not be released to the public, the judge said.

Zimmerman and his lawyers are in court this afternoon in Seminole County, where a hearing in his second-degree murder case is under way.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/os-george-zimmerman-trayvon-records-hearing-20121019,0,2631441,full.story


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: seahorse on October 19, 2012, 04:58:00 PM
Judge says George Zimmerman can subpoena Trayvon Martin's school, social media records
10/19/'12

SANFORD – George Zimmerman's attorneys can subpoena Trayvon Martin's schools for his discipline records, a judge ruled this afternoon, but must keep anything they obtain private.

"I think that you're entitled to those records," Circuit Judge Debra Nelson said.

Citing case law, Nelson explained that, though Zimmerman didn't know anything about the 17-year-old before the Feb. 26 shooting, the records could potentially show a history of behavior by Trayvon relevant to Zimmerman's self-defense claim.

The judge also granted Zimmerman's request to subpoena Trayvon's social media records, as well as those of a girl who says she was on the phone with him before the shooting.

Defense attorney Mark O'Mara argued that the records could reveal Trayvon's state of mind in the leadup to the shooting. That, O'Mara said, is crucial to the case.

"The issue in this case is who did what during those couple of minutes that we don’t know what happened," O'Mara said. He acknowledged that it "sounds horrible" to attack the character of the alleged victim in the case, but is necessary for Zimmerman's defense.

Meanwhile, the judge granted prosecutors access to Zimmerman's medical records, though she will review them privately first in order to determine what should be turned over.

The medical and school records will not be released to the public, the judge said.

Zimmerman and his lawyers are in court this afternoon in Seminole County, where a hearing in his second-degree murder case is under way.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/os-george-zimmerman-trayvon-records-hearing-20121019,0,2631441,full.story

 ::MonkeyEek:: Why? 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: seahorse on October 19, 2012, 05:05:50 PM
How much money to Trayvon's parents need? before they stopped asking for donations for the Justice fro Trayvon site, they had $35,000 and some change.

These parents are repulsive

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-trayvon-martin-stand-your-ground-20121015,0,3075360.story
How much does the Zimmerman's need, all of the Zimmermans before they stop asking for donations?

Zimmerman spent $36K in 18 days on phones, Internet, credit cards and bills

 Edit to add date of article.  MB  Posted on Tuesday, 07.17.12

By Frances Robles

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/17/2900145/zimmerman-spent-35k-on-cell-phones.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy
frobles@MiamiHerald.com

George Zimmerman went through almost $36,000 of contributions in 18 days spent mostly in jail, spending a bulk of his newfound cash on telecommunications, newly filed court records show.

Using funds donated from the public on the short-lived www.therealgeorgezimmerman.com, Zimmerman and his wife spent $6,500 on Internet and phone bills, according to a document his defense attorney filed with the judge. He and his wife bought new cell phones for $300 each and paid a year-long Verizon contract in full. They installed a telephone landline for $2,500 and spent $1,300 on a two-year AT&T wi-fi contract.

They paid off at least $7,000 in credit card bills.

They used $4,378 on automotive expenses, making payments on two car loans while renting another for more than $1,500. Gas: $800.

In a May letter to Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester, O’Mara called the spending “judicious.”

The money was donated to Zimmerman in the wake of the killing of Miami Gardens teenager Trayvon Martin. As the media spectacle heated up and marches around the country demanding Zimmerman’s arrest grew in size and number, Zimmerman turned to the Internet for donations.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/17/2900145/zimmerman-spent-35k-on-cell-phones.html#storylink=cpy

Thank-you, Heart.
 
Can the wife make money doing Nails?  Has she guaduate from nursing school?  YIA::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 19, 2012, 05:47:48 PM
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Motion-Officer-reveals-surprise-about-colleague-seeking-manslaughter-for-Zimmerman/-/1637132/17052764/-/597naj/-/index.html

Motion: Officer reveals surprise about colleague seeking manslaughter for Zimmerman
Published On: Oct 19 2012 07:54:31 AM EDT Updated On: Oct 19 2012 04:17:25 PM EDT

SANFORD, Fla. -
The attorney for George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watchman who shot and killed Trayvon Martin, wants a judge to bar attorneys from talking with Sanford police officers about meetings held prior to the case being forwarded to the state attorney’s office.

In an emergency motion for protective order, defense attorney Mark O’Mara revealed after a Sanford police officer stated in his deposition yesterday that several officers felt there wasn't enough evidence to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter. He was eventually charged with second-degree murder after a special prosecutor was appointed by Gov. Rick Scott.

Local 6 has obtained the motion, which states that a deposition from a Sanford police officer who was surprised investigator Chris Serino sought a manslaughter charge. The deposition also states that other police officers and an assistant state attorney didn't believe that there was enough evidence to charge Zimmerman.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on October 19, 2012, 07:48:04 PM
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/10/19/the-groundwork-for-malicious-prosecution-george-zimmerman-case/#more-50382

vids of today's hearing


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Heart on October 20, 2012, 06:42:06 PM
How much money to Trayvon's parents need? before they stopped asking for donations for the Justice fro Trayvon site, they had $35,000 and some change.

These parents are repulsive

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-trayvon-martin-stand-your-ground-20121015,0,3075360.story
How much does the Zimmerman's need, all of the Zimmermans before they stop asking for donations?

Zimmerman spent $36K in 18 days on phones, Internet, credit cards and bills

 Edit to add date of article.  MB  Posted on Tuesday, 07.17.12

By Frances Robles

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/17/2900145/zimmerman-spent-35k-on-cell-phones.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy
frobles@MiamiHerald.com

George Zimmerman went through almost $36,000 of contributions in 18 days spent mostly in jail, spending a bulk of his newfound cash on telecommunications, newly filed court records show.

Using funds donated from the public on the short-lived www.therealgeorgezimmerman.com, Zimmerman and his wife spent $6,500 on Internet and phone bills, according to a document his defense attorney filed with the judge. He and his wife bought new cell phones for $300 each and paid a year-long Verizon contract in full. They installed a telephone landline for $2,500 and spent $1,300 on a two-year AT&T wi-fi contract.

They paid off at least $7,000 in credit card bills.

They used $4,378 on automotive expenses, making payments on two car loans while renting another for more than $1,500. Gas: $800.

In a May letter to Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester, O’Mara called the spending “judicious.”

The money was donated to Zimmerman in the wake of the killing of Miami Gardens teenager Trayvon Martin. As the media spectacle heated up and marches around the country demanding Zimmerman’s arrest grew in size and number, Zimmerman turned to the Internet for donations.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/17/2900145/zimmerman-spent-35k-on-cell-phones.html#storylink=cpy

Thank-you, Heart.
 
Can the wife make money doing Nails?  Has she guaduate from nursing school?  YIA::MonkeyEek::

Hi there seahorse.  Shellie may very well be attending nursing classes somewhere, but my guess is that she is not.  So far the following is what I found regarding Shellie and her nursing school endeavors:

George Michael Zimmerman married Shellie Nicole Dean in November 2007 in Daytona Beach, according to public records. He was 24. She was 20 and a cosmetologist who specialized in facials.

She enrolled at Seminole State College — formerly Seminole Community College — in the fall of 2008 and left the school in the fall of 2010, their records show.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-13/news/os-shellie-zimmerman-profile-20120613_1_therealgeorgezimmerman-com-family-finances-george-zimmerman


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on October 20, 2012, 08:09:42 PM
http://www.metro.us/philadelphia/national/article/1141404--inside-george-zimmerman-s-world
4/25/'12

 ::snipping2:: 
was the August incursion into the home of Olivia Bertalan that really troubled the neighborhood, particularly Zimmerman. Shellie was home most days, taking online courses ...  ::snipping2:: 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: seahorse on October 22, 2012, 01:27:55 PM
How much money to Trayvon's parents need? before they stopped asking for donations for the Justice fro Trayvon site, they had $35,000 and some change.

These parents are repulsive

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-trayvon-martin-stand-your-ground-20121015,0,3075360.story
How much does the Zimmerman's need, all of the Zimmermans before they stop asking for donations?

Zimmerman spent $36K in 18 days on phones, Internet, credit cards and bills

 Edit to add date of article.  MB  Posted on Tuesday, 07.17.12

By Frances Robles

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/17/2900145/zimmerman-spent-35k-on-cell-phones.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy
frobles@MiamiHerald.com

George Zimmerman went through almost $36,000 of contributions in 18 days spent mostly in jail, spending a bulk of his newfound cash on telecommunications, newly filed court records show.

Using funds donated from the public on the short-lived www.therealgeorgezimmerman.com, Zimmerman and his wife spent $6,500 on Internet and phone bills, according to a document his defense attorney filed with the judge. He and his wife bought new cell phones for $300 each and paid a year-long Verizon contract in full. They installed a telephone landline for $2,500 and spent $1,300 on a two-year AT&T wi-fi contract.

They paid off at least $7,000 in credit card bills.

They used $4,378 on automotive expenses, making payments on two car loans while renting another for more than $1,500. Gas: $800.

In a May letter to Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester, O’Mara called the spending “judicious.”

The money was donated to Zimmerman in the wake of the killing of Miami Gardens teenager Trayvon Martin. As the media spectacle heated up and marches around the country demanding Zimmerman’s arrest grew in size and number, Zimmerman turned to the Internet for donations.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/17/2900145/zimmerman-spent-35k-on-cell-phones.html#storylink=cpy

Thank-you, Heart.
 
Can the wife make money doing Nails?  Has she guaduate from nursing school?  YIA::MonkeyEek::

Hi there seahorse.  Shellie may very well be attending nursing classes somewhere, but my guess is that she is not.  So far the following is what I found regarding Shellie and her nursing school endeavors:

George Michael Zimmerman married Shellie Nicole Dean in November 2007 in Daytona Beach, according to public records. He was 24. She was 20 and a cosmetologist who specialized in facials.

She enrolled at Seminole State College — formerly Seminole Community College — in the fall of 2008 and left the school in the fall of 2010, their records show.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-13/news/os-shellie-zimmerman-profile-20120613_1_therealgeorgezimmerman-com-family-finances-george-zimmerman

HI Monkeys..
Heart :) Thanks for your response.  I do not know if this information is conclusive or not.

http://www.change.org/petitions/florida-board-of-nursing-state-of-florida-terminate-shellie-zimmerman-s-nursing-license


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: seahorse on October 22, 2012, 01:39:07 PM

Heart & Monkey's,

Did Shellie mention she about to finish her on-line nursing education, abt. June 2012?

Maybe she did not complete it. Who would :) if $$$  was falling from the sky.

The petitioners for SZ License may be a bit premature or the site may not be updated,
or could she be under her maiden name?

http://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/IRM00PRAES/PRASLIST.ASP?ACTION=NEXT#theBottom

http://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/IRM00PRAES/PRASLIST.ASP#theBottom


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: carpe noctem on October 22, 2012, 07:39:50 PM
http://www.change.org/petitions/florida-board-of-nursing-state-of-florida-terminate-shellie-zimmerman-s-nursing-license

 ::snipping2::
This woman clearly lied , has been arrested , is awaiting trial and now has this on her record.

On ANYcircumstances may you have a conviction or charge on your record while you work in health care field. This woman is not loyal. Shes not trustworthy and I deeply fear that she may lie to one of her patients. This woman is damaged , broken , crazy and DANGEROUS. Shellie Nicole Dean should NOT practice any medical help on anyone. Help us get her license TERMINATED as well her cosmetology license. This woman should not have any DIRECT face to face involvement with people after she tried to lie in court.
 ::snipping2::
---------------------------

I can only pray for the deranged person who inked this petition ditty. Holy crap! ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on October 22, 2012, 08:14:59 PM
http://www.change.org/petitions/florida-board-of-nursing-state-of-florida-terminate-shellie-zimmerman-s-nursing-license

 ::snipping2::
This woman clearly lied , has been arrested , is awaiting trial and now has this on her record.

On ANYcircumstances may you have a conviction or charge on your record while you work in health care field. This woman is not loyal. Shes not trustworthy and I deeply fear that she may lie to one of her patients. This woman is damaged , broken , crazy and DANGEROUS. Shellie Nicole Dean should NOT practice any medical help on anyone. Help us get her license TERMINATED as well her cosmetology license. This woman should not have any DIRECT face to face involvement with people after she tried to lie in court.
 ::snipping2::
---------------------------

I can only pray for the deranged person who inked this petition ditty. Holy crap! ::MonkeyEek::

   ::rhino::   ::rhino::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 22, 2012, 11:36:33 PM
http://www.change.org/petitions/florida-board-of-nursing-state-of-florida-terminate-shellie-zimmerman-s-nursing-license

 ::snipping2::
This woman clearly lied , has been arrested , is awaiting trial and now has this on her record.

On ANYcircumstances may you have a conviction or charge on your record while you work in health care field. This woman is not loyal. Shes not trustworthy and I deeply fear that she may lie to one of her patients. This woman is damaged , broken , crazy and DANGEROUS. Shellie Nicole Dean should NOT practice any medical help on anyone. Help us get her license TERMINATED as well her cosmetology license. This woman should not have any DIRECT face to face involvement with people after she tried to lie in court.
 ::snipping2::
---------------------------

I can only pray for the deranged person who inked this petition ditty. Holy crap! ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: seahorse on October 23, 2012, 08:49:20 AM
Monkeys,

SZ may just be Greedy. IMO


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 23, 2012, 01:46:01 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-fights-gag-order-20121023,0,7455837.story

George Zimmerman defense, national media prepare to fight gag order request
12:10 p.m. EDT, October 23, 2012

George Zimmerman's defense team today asked supporters to point out the most objectionable things they've said and written so they can prepare for a gag order hearing Friday in Sanford.

Meanwhile, a collection of local and national media organizations — including The Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, USA Today and other outlets — filed paperwork stating there is "no basis" for the state's gag order request.

The news outlets, in a filing dated Tuesday, argue that prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda is "asking the Court to violate the media's First Amendment right to gather news and information" by silencing Zimmerman's defense.

"Incredibly, the State seeks this drastic relief without citing or coming forward with any evidence relating to — much less satisfying — the demanding standard governing the issuance of 'gag orders,'" write the media outlets' attorneys.

Today, the Zimmerman defense's website posted a new notice: It urged Zimmerman supporters "to scour the web, and strange as it may sound, send us links to the most potentially questionable statements we have made during this process.
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Post by: grace-land on October 23, 2012, 01:48:30 PM
http://gzlegalcase.com/

Zimmerman Defense Invites Public Scrutiny of Media Policy
on 23 October 2012.

Monday morning we sent this email to a person who has offered support to the defense, and since then it has been widely circulated on the web:

"All this week we'll be preparing to defend ourselves against the State's renewed motion for a Gag Order. We're confident that everything we've posted, and everything we've said publicly is proper and well within our rights, but we know that on Friday, the State is likely to find the most questionable thing Mark's said and present it to the Court. I'd like to ask if you and other supporters could help us scour the web and, strange as it may sound, send us links to the most potentially questionable statements we have made during this process. Again, we're confident ALL our statements are easily defendable, we just want to know what we're likely to have thrown back at us.”

Although we originally intended for the message to be private, we feel the message is sound, and since it has been made public, we extend the invitation to anyone who has an interest to participate: send us a link to any statement the defense has made publicly about the case that you think is inappropriate.

When we set our communications policy, we knew we would be under intense public scrutiny, and we are confident the whole of our efforts will stand up to that scrutiny well.

You can submit links via the commenting below, or you can tweet a link and reference the @gzlegalcase handle.
Continue Reading »


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Post by: Puzzler on October 24, 2012, 06:17:45 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-defense-witnesses-20121024,0,4087099.story

Orlando Sentinel reporting A Dozen Law Enforcement Officers in Command Will testify for the DEFENSE in Zimmerman trial

(snip)   The list has on it a dozen names, including former chief Bill Lee; Bob O’Connor, the major crimes captain who oversaw the investigation; Lt. Randy Smith, the former sergeant who supervised the detectives investigating the case; and lead Investigator Chris Serino.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 24, 2012, 07:49:48 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-defense-witnesses-20121024,0,4087099.story

Orlando Sentinel reporting A Dozen Law Enforcement Officers in Command Will testify for the DEFENSE in Zimmerman trial

(snip)   The list has on it a dozen names, including former chief Bill Lee; Bob O’Connor, the major crimes captain who oversaw the investigation; Lt. Randy Smith, the former sergeant who supervised the detectives investigating the case; and lead Investigator Chris Serino.


This doesn't surprise me.  They are defending themselves as well as GZ.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 24, 2012, 10:15:46 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-defense-witnesses-20121024,0,4087099.story

George Zimmerman's lawyers: Cops will testify for us in murder case
6:08 p.m. EDT, October 24, 2012

George Zimmerman's lawyers Wednesday notified prosecutors that their witness list now includes a who's who of the Sanford Police Department's chain of command at the time of Trayvon Martin's death, including the police chief, major crimes captain, sergeant and case detectives.

It is an unusual defense strategy. Police officers typically testify for the state, explaining how they gathered the evidence that led to charges. In this case, it suggests that Zimmerman's attorneys believe the testimony of Sanford officers will help — not hurt — their client.

So far, defense attorneys have subpoenaed eight Sanford officers, requiring them to appear. There is no indication that the officers have approached defense attorneys, saying they wanted to help Zimmerman.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 24, 2012, 10:21:44 PM
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/George-Zimmerman-s-attorney-asks-to-question-Sanford-officers/-/1637132/17121694/-/bi4qb3/-/index.html

George Zimmerman's attorney asks to question Sanford officers
Mark O'Mara requests state's evidence in gag order against him
Published On: Oct 24 2012 07:19:15 PM EDT

ORLANDO, Fla. -
The attorney for George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watchman who shot and killed Trayvon Martin, has filed two motions on Wednesday asking to question more Sanford Police personnel and for the state's evidence in its gag order.

Attorney Mark O'Mara is asking in his supplemental witness list to question many personnel involved in the investigation into Martin's shooting, including. former police chief Bill Lee and Chris Serino, the lead investigator.

O’Mara also filed a demand for specific discovery, asking the special prosecutors to give him all of the evidence the state will use to ask for a gag order against O’Mara.
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Post by: grace-land on October 24, 2012, 10:25:54 PM
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/10/24/zimmermans-defense-wants-witnesses-silenced

Zimmerman's defense to witnesses: Stop talking
updated 5:11 PM EDT, Wed October 24, 2012

George Zimmerman’s defense wants to stop witnesses from discussing the criminal investigation into Trayvon Martin’s shooting.
 
This comes after the defense attorneys say the prosecution failed to disclose private meetings between investigators, where they talked about whether there was enough evidence to charge Zimmerman. In the motion filed Friday, Zimmerman’s defense attorneys said that they were made aware of the meetings after an October 18 deposition of Sgt. Joseph Santiago, a Sanford Police Department officer.
 
The defense says these discussions could contain relevant information about whether their client is guilty, or “most notably the lack of guilt, of Mr. Zimmerman." They want the judge to order all the attorneys involved in the trial to not talk to the witnesses about the meetings until they’ve had their depositions.
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The next hearing in the case is scheduled for Friday.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 26, 2012, 12:15:30 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-gag-state-argument-20121025,0,4994095.story

Prosecutor's new filing: Zimmerman defense using social media for 'spin'
6:16 p.m. EDT, October 25, 2012

In support of his latest request for a gag order, the lead prosecutor in the George Zimmerman murder case filed paperwork today attacking a wide array of public statements made by the defense via traditional and social media.

Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda lists in his new court filing the Zimmerman defense team's website, their social media accounts and comments from interviews with local and national media. The comments made by defense attorney Mark O'Mara, de la Rionda argues, risk tainting the jury pool with the defense's "spin" on the evidence.
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A hearing has been set on the motion for a gag order for Friday at 1:30 p.m. before Circuit Judge Debra Nelson. The previous judge in the case rejected a prior such request by the state. In addition to the defense, lawyers for more than a dozen media outlets are expected to argue against the gag order at the hearing.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 26, 2012, 12:07:15 PM
Get live updates from inside the court beginning at 1 p.m. at link

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/10/26/judge_in_case_agains.html

Judge in Case Against George Zimmerman to rule on 2 motions
Last Updated: Friday, October 26, 2012, 9:36 AM

SANFORD --
Prosecution and defense in the Case Against George Zimmerman will be in court today for the case of the former neighborhood watch leader who killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
 
Both the prosecution and defense have filed their own motions. The judge is expected to make a ruling on an emergency motion defense attorney Mark O'Mara filed last week.

Get live updates from inside the court beginning at 1 p.m.!

O'Mara and Zimmerman's legal team asked that no one will talk to witnesses before they are deposed. They filed the motion when they were in court and when the judge ruled that Trayvon Martin's social media sites and school records would be handed over to the defense team.
 
The judge is expected to rule on this emergency motion regarding witnesses.
 
Also, the judge will hear another motion filed by the prosecution.
 
Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda has asked the judge to impose a gag order against O'Mara.
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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/26/fridays-live-events-51/

October 26th, 2012 07:42 AM ET
Friday's live events

Hurricane Sandy could cause problems up and down the U.S. East Coast.  Watch CNN.com Live for all the latest developments on the storm
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1:30 pm ET - Trayvon Martin case: Gag order hearing - Prosecutors will request a gag order in the case of George Zimmerman, who's accused of killing Trayvon Martin.
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CNN.com Live -- http://www.cnn.com/video/?/tab/live#/video/cvplive/cvpstream1


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 26, 2012, 02:13:19 PM
Friday, October 26, 2012

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/about/services/live-chat.html

1:14
News 13:
George Zimmerman is present. He said nothing as he entered the courtroom.

1:14
News 13 Live@CFNews13Live
Hearing starts a 1:30, several issues along with gag order to decide on.

1:30
News 13 Live@CFNews13Live
Zimmerman and legal team late for hearing.

1:31
News 13 Live@CFNews13Live
In courthouse, but not in courtroom as Judge Nelson takes the bench.

1:34
News 13 Live@CFNews13Live
Zimmerman and O'Mara enter. O'Mara says problem with "monitoring system"

1:35
News 13 Live@CFNews13Live
7 attorneys in courtroom for hearing.

1:51
News 13 Live@CFNews13Live
O'Mara argues prosecution is "burying head in sand" when it comes to discovery issues

1:58
News 13 Live@CFNews13Live
O'Mara can make list of what he wants from DOJ and FBI. Prosecutors will ask those agencies for those specific files.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 26, 2012, 03:00:11 PM
Friday, October 26, 2012

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/about/services/live-chat.html

2:02
News 13 Live@CFNews13Live
Prosecution arguing on gag order

2:06
News 13 Live@CFNews13Live
Prosecutors say Zimmerman interview on Hannity was a "Godsend for the state"

2:24
News 13 Live@CFNews13Live
Da La Rionda continues to argue for the prosecution

2:33
News 13 Live@CFNews13Live
Prosecutor gives examples of O'Mara television interviews he says "crossed the line" when discussing the case


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 26, 2012, 03:05:50 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-gag-order-20121026,0,1541759.story

Prosecutor at gag-order hearing: Zimmerman lawyer trying to 'influence public opinion'
1:57 p.m. EDT, October 26, 2012

SANFORD – A hearing is under way in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman.

The hearing began just after 1:30 p.m. The primary issue to be decided by Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson today is a request by prosecutors for a gag order to silence defense attorney Mark O'Mara.

Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda told the judge that he doesn't oppose freedom of speech or the freedom of the press.

"We firmly believe in it, too, your honor," he said. But "neither party should be commenting about the evidence" in the media and risking tainting the jury pool, he said.

"That's my concern: Are we going to be able to pick a jury in Seminole County or for that matter the state of Florida?" de la Rionda said.

He called O'Mara's use of social media as an attempt to circumvent the traditional media,  spread a "biased" account of the case and wage a PR campaign.

"Was it done to influence public opinion? I would submit that's the real reason," de la Rionda said.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 26, 2012, 03:40:44 PM
Friday, October 26, 2012

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/about/services/live-chat.html

2:54
News 13 Live@CFNews13Live
O'Mara says Ben Crump tried to sway public opinion and "spin" the story.

3:04
News 13 Live@CFNews13Live
O'Mara says "political influence" was at play in charging of Zimmerman with 2nd degree murde

3:15
News 13 Live@CFNews13Live
O'Mara says attorney's working ten years from now who don't search the Internet for information will be committing "malpractice"


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 26, 2012, 03:52:31 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-gag-order-20121026,0,1541759.story

George Zimmerman gag order hearing: No decision today
2:38 p.m. EDT, October 26, 2012

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Defense lawyer Mark O'Mara countered that when he took on the case, damage had already been done to the jury pool: By the family and attorneys of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, who he said "decided they were going to make this a national media case" and spun the facts.

Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump's plan "is to completely sway national public opinion in this case in favor of his client," O'Mara said, and against Zimmerman.

"I contend to you that the case against Mr. Zimmerman was created for reasons far outside the facts of what happened that night" and was driven by "political influence," O'Mara said.

De la Rionda argued that O'Mara is using social media to circumvent the traditional media,  spread a "biased" account of the case and "influence public opinion."

O'Mara countered that his use of social media is necessary to cope with the "tidal wave" of information, commentary and discussion concerning his client that exists online.

"What we have done was deal with a case that... was already in the throes of an enormous overriding tidal wave of misinformation," O'Mara said.

This afternoon, both sides returned to the courtroom to argue the gag order and other issues. So did attorneys for the Orlando Sentinel and a dozen other news organizations, including The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal and CNN. They oppose the gag order.

Media attorney Scott Ponce argued that a gag order is only meant to be used as a "last resort," and the state hasn't proved that one is necessary.

A previous judge, Kenneth Lester Jr., said no de la Rionda first asked for one in April.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 26, 2012, 04:04:25 PM
If I heard it correctly, I think that the judge has denied the emergency motion regarding witnesses as asked by defense last week.

They are continuing to discuss scheduling issues, etc.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 26, 2012, 04:25:33 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-gag-order-20121026,0,1541759.story

George Zimmerman judge: 'Stand your ground' hearing in April
4:01 p.m. EDT, October 26, 2012

SANFORD – After more than two hours of argument, the judge in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman said she will not rule today on the state's request for a gag order.

Circuit Judge Debra Nelson said she hopes to rule by Monday. The hearing began just after 1:30 p.m., and the gag order was the primary issue at hand.

However, near the end of the hearing, the judge and lawyers agreed to put another high profile issue on their calendars: Zimmerman's "stand your ground" hearing, where he will ask to have the case thrown out, was set for 45 days before the June 10 trial.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 26, 2012, 08:55:44 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-george-zimmerman-trial-20121026,0,4628900.story

George Zimmerman to argue self-defense at hearing slated in April
October 26, 2012, 3:54 p.m.

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Most of Friday afternoon was taken up by arguments over the gag order that the state has sought before without success. An earlier judge, Kenneth Lester Jr., denied a state request in April.

The request for a gag order is not unusual in cases that have generated a great deal of publicity. Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda argued that the order was needed to protect the selection of jurors, who might be swayed by comments by lawyers.

“Neither party should be commenting about the evidence"  he said, adding later: "That's my concern. Are we going to be able to pick a jury in Seminole County or for that matter the state of Florida?"

De la Rionda argued that Zimmerman’s defense lawyer had used the media, including new Web-based communication, to spread a biased account of the case and influence public opinion.

Defense lawyer Mark O'Mara replied that the jury pool had already been damaged by the family and allies of Martin, who made the shooting a national cause with demonstrations and demands that Zimmerman be charged. Zimmerman was not arrested by local police on the night of the shooting, but was charged after a special prosecutor was appointed by the governor.

"I contend to you that the case against Mr. Zimmerman was created for reasons far outside the facts of what happened that night" and was driven by "political influence," O'Mara said.

Attorneys representing various media outlets also argued against the gag order.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 27, 2012, 06:22:46 PM
Someone on Youtube said (and I 100% agree) IF GZ planned on killing TM WHY in the world would he call 911, give his full name AND where he lives if he was planning on killing someone?


Something to think about folks.


JMO

I don't think for one second that GZ planned on killing TM.  IMO, He just wanted to see what was up with this 17 year old walking in the rain etc.

Truly a sad situation for all involved.

Q: when GZ was trying to find TM, is there any way at all he would have caught up to him in order to kill him?

I'm not very good at math so I'm trying to find out how far away GZ was from TM at the time he made his 911 call.

Thanks.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 28, 2012, 01:41:51 AM
Someone on Youtube said (and I 100% agree) IF GZ planned on killing TM WHY in the world would he call 911, give his full name AND where he lives if he was planning on killing someone?


Something to think about folks.


JMO

I don't think for one second that GZ planned on killing TM.  IMO, He just wanted to see what was up with this 17 year old walking in the rain etc.

Truly a sad situation for all involved.

Q: when GZ was trying to find TM, is there any way at all he would have caught up to him in order to kill him?

I'm not very good at math so I'm trying to find out how far away GZ was from TM at the time he made his 911 call.

Thanks.


Regarding your question above, the information/discussion in this article might be helpful--

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2012/5/29/04041/8193
George Zimmerman Case: Timelines and Routes
By Jeralyn, Section Crime in the News
Posted on Tue May 29, 2012 at 08:40:00 AM EST

GZ was not too far away from TM when he called 911-- (audio of call)

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/cfnews13/video.html?clip=http://static.cfnews13.com/newsvideo/cfn/hurricane_center/George-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-0226-911call-edited.flv


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 28, 2012, 10:20:53 AM
Someone on Youtube said (and I 100% agree) IF GZ planned on killing TM WHY in the world would he call 911, give his full name AND where he lives if he was planning on killing someone?


Something to think about folks.


JMO

I don't think for one second that GZ planned on killing TM.  IMO, He just wanted to see what was up with this 17 year old walking in the rain etc.

Truly a sad situation for all involved.

Q: when GZ was trying to find TM, is there any way at all he would have caught up to him in order to kill him?

I'm not very good at math so I'm trying to find out how far away GZ was from TM at the time he made his 911 call.

Thanks.


It wasn't premeditated that's why it's second degree murder and not first degree.  The prosecution isn't suggesting GZ left his truck intending to kill Trayvon.

http://www.richardhornsby.com/crimes/homicide/second-degree-murder.html#Definition

 ::snipping2::Definition of Second Degree Murder

Murder with a Depraved Mind

Murder with a Depraved Mind occurs when a person is killed, without any premeditated design, by an act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind showing no regard for human life.

The primary distinction between Premeditated First Degree Murder and Second Degree Murder with a Depraved Mind is that First Degree Murder requires a specific and premeditated intent to kill.

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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on October 28, 2012, 10:50:35 AM
Q: when GZ was trying to find TM, is there any way at all he would have caught up to him in order to kill him?

I'm not very good at math so I'm trying to find out how far away GZ was from TM at the time he made his 911 call.

Thanks.


http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/April-2012/George-Zimmerman-Trayvon-Martin-Gated-Communities-and-Fear/

George was 80 yards from his truck when he shot Trayvon, that much can be proven.  I don't think anyone will know for sure how far away Trayvon was when George called 911 but he did state that Trayvon was running away at the time.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on October 28, 2012, 11:19:58 AM
TM's girlfriend, DeeDee, said that TM told her he was back where his father was staying (Brandy's place).

That is quite a distance from where GZ was. 



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 28, 2012, 04:24:55 PM
TM's girlfriend, DeeDee, said that TM told her he was back where his father was staying (Brandy's place).

That is quite a distance from where GZ was. 




wow, so TM was already back at Brandy's place? I knew she gave an interview but i've never listened to it.

If this is true then that means he went back to find GZ.

Where did you find this out?



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 28, 2012, 04:25:58 PM
Someone on Youtube said (and I 100% agree) IF GZ planned on killing TM WHY in the world would he call 911, give his full name AND where he lives if he was planning on killing someone?


Something to think about folks.


JMO

I don't think for one second that GZ planned on killing TM.  IMO, He just wanted to see what was up with this 17 year old walking in the rain etc.

Truly a sad situation for all involved.

Q: when GZ was trying to find TM, is there any way at all he would have caught up to him in order to kill him?

I'm not very good at math so I'm trying to find out how far away GZ was from TM at the time he made his 911 call.

Thanks.


It wasn't premeditated that's why it's second degree murder and not first degree.  The prosecution isn't suggesting GZ left his truck intending to kill Trayvon.

http://www.richardhornsby.com/crimes/homicide/second-degree-murder.html#Definition

 ::snipping2::Definition of Second Degree Murder

Murder with a Depraved Mind

Murder with a Depraved Mind occurs when a person is killed, without any premeditated design, by an act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind showing no regard for human life.

The primary distinction between Premeditated First Degree Murder and Second Degree Murder with a Depraved Mind is that First Degree Murder requires a specific and premeditated intent to kill.

 ::snipping2::

Thanks for explaining it. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 28, 2012, 04:27:38 PM
TM's girlfriend, DeeDee, said that TM told her he was back where his father was staying (Brandy's place).

That is quite a distance from where GZ was. 



So in short, There would have been no time for GZ to catch up with TM? correct?

once he started running.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 28, 2012, 04:38:10 PM
nevermind, I found it.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/19/the-deedee-interview-with-investigators-audiovideo-2-parts/


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 29, 2012, 04:46:10 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/29/fla-judge-rejects-prosecutors-request-for-gag-order-in-trayvon-martin-shooting/
Fla. judge rejects prosecutors' request for gag order in Trayvon Martin shooting case
October 29, 2012

ORLANDO, FLA. –  A Florida judge is denying prosecutors' request for a gag order in the trial of a neighborhood watch leader charged with fatally shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

Circuit Judge Debra Nelson said in an order Monday that there was no need for a gag order at this time to ensure a fair trial for George Zimmerman.
 ::snipping2::
Prosecutors had asked for the gag order, claiming a website and social media used by Zimmerman's attorney could influence potential jurors in the racially charged case.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on October 29, 2012, 04:56:44 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-gag-order-decision-20121029,0,813572.story


SANFORD – Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson on Monday refused to issue a gag order in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case.

In a two-page order, the judge wrote that she found no "overriding pattern of prejudicial commentary" and noted that a dozen media companies that had opposed the order, including the Orlando Sentinel, were right when they argued that the state had failed to demonstrate prejudice. (snip)


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on October 29, 2012, 05:20:17 PM
I really hope this case gets thrown out.  This is clearly a self defense case.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on October 29, 2012, 05:23:43 PM
Thanks, Puzzler.  Another interesting ruling from the same article about medical records of GZ.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-gag-order-decision-20121029,0,813572.story

Judge denies gag order in George Zimmerman murder case
Judge releases fewer Zimmerman medical records than Trayvon's family had hoped
4:35 p.m. EDT, October 29, 2012

 ::snipping2::
In the meantime, Nelson's ruling on another issue was released Monday: She gave prosecutors fewer of the defendant's medical records than attorneys for Trayvon Martin's family had hoped.

They had asked for all his medical records. Defense attorneys had squawked, saying that would violate Zimmerman's right to privacy. So the judge looked them over and handed to the state only those that she said were relevant: those related to injuries Zimmerman suffered the night he shot the unarmed 17-year-old.

"Any injuries received that night would clearly be relevant to a self-defense claim, as would any similar injuries present before that night or continuing symptoms after that night," she wrote. "Observations of the defendant's physical appearance surrounding the date of the shooting may also be relevant. However, other medical records relating to the treatment of untreated maladies should not be disclosed."
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: grace-land on October 29, 2012, 05:39:14 PM
I really hope this case gets thrown out.  This is clearly a self defense case.



I don't know if it will be thrown out at the Stand Your Ground hearing in April; however, if it continues to trial, I think that it is a self-defense case.  We'll see. 

Also, TM's mother agreed, too, before the "spin doctors" got to her.  imo

Quote
(CBS NEWS) - Trayvon Martin's mother Sybrina Fulton is clarifying remarks she made Thursday morning that the shooting of her son by George Zimmerman was an accident.
 
Fulton was interviewed on NBC's "Today" show the morning after George Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder in the death of her son.
 
When asked what she would say if she could talk to Zimmerman face to face, Fulton said a person should apologize if they are remorseful. She then said she believed the shooting was an accident and things got out of control.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57413332/trayvons-mom-clarifies-it-was-an-accident-remark/
CBS News/ April 12, 2012, 5:29 PM
Trayvon's mom clarifies "it was an accident" remark




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Post by: grace-land on October 31, 2012, 02:16:51 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-jose-baez-20121031,0,811665.story

Jose Baez: Zimmerman prosecutor got his facts wrong about me
1:01 p.m. EDT, October 31, 2012

SANFORD – Jose Baez, Casey Anthony's defense attorney, this week wrote a short snippy letter to the judge in the George Zimmerman case, accusing prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda of getting his facts wrong in court Friday when he said Baez had been held in contempt of court during the Anthony trial.

Baez was fined for failing to turn over evidence, he wrote, but was never found in contempt. And the fine had nothing to do with Baez's comments to the media, something de la Rionda suggested as he tried but failed to convince Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson to impose a gag order in the Zimmerman case.

"I am certain that Mr. De la Rionda was more careful with his other argument, however, I will ask him personally to please verify his facts in the future before recklessly attempting to tarnish any other members of the Central Florida legal community," Baez wrote in his letter to Nelson.

It was dated Monday. The judge made it public Tuesday.

De la Rionda's statements in court about Baez "are completely false," Baez wrote. "I am available to the court if further clarification is needed."
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on November 02, 2012, 11:39:38 AM
George Zimmerman's brother: We're no 'family of racists'
11/01/'12

George Zimmerman's older brother, Robert Zimmerman Jr., told a group of Hispanic journalists Thursday that he is confronting a "tidal wave of misinformation" about his family because of the publicity surrounding his brother's case.

Robert Zimmerman Jr. spoke publicly in Orlando because he thought it was time to rebut the charges of racism that have mischaracterized his family, Zimmerman said.

"At the beginning, we couldn't speak publicly to the media to defend ourselves against the allegations that we are family of racists and that George is a racist," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said in Spanish to members of the Central Florida chapter of the National Association of Hispanic Journalists.

"We didn't grow up with racism,'' he added. "We grew up with a Latino mother and white father. Theirs was an interracial love story."

His brother, George Zimmerman, is facing a second-degree-murder charge in the Feb. 26 shooting death of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed, black 17-year-old from Miami Gardens who was in Sanford visiting family when he and the Neighborhood Watch volunteer crossed paths.   ::snipping2:: 

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-brother-speaks-20121101%2c0%2c4459680.story


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Post by: grace-land on November 06, 2012, 04:45:28 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-witnesses-20121106,0,6921542.story

George Zimmerman's team to question more witnesses
12:28 p.m. EST, November 6, 2012

George Zimmerman's defense team plans to interview several of the still-unnamed civilian witnesses in his second-degree murder case later this week, according to new court documents.

On Thursday, Zimmerman's attorneys will depose five numbered witnesses listed by prosecutors — witnesses 3, 12, 13, 19 and 21. Two more — witnesses 1 and 2 — will be deposed on Friday.

A Sanford police captain and a private investigator are also listed on the new deposition schedules.

Dozens of the civilian witnesses in the case are listed only by number in publicly available documents in the high-profile case in order to protect their privacy and Zimmerman's fair-trial rights.

Many are neighbors of Zimmerman's who saw or heard something on Feb. 26, the night he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. Some have given conflicting accounts in various law enforcement interviews.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: grace-land on November 07, 2012, 07:13:04 PM
http://www.lawyerherald.com/articles/2387/20121107/george-zimmerman-presents-witness-defense-keep-names.htm

George Zimmerman Presents Witness: Defense to Keep Witness Names in Trayvon Martin Case Anonymous
Nov 07, 2012 02:37 PM EST

On Wednesday, Mark O'Mara, defense attorney to George Zimmerman, said that his witness would be given numbers as identities. O'Mara will submit a list of additional witness to Judge Debra Nelson on Thursday, while keeping their names unknown.

In October, O'Mara presented a list of police involved in the investigation of the murder of Trayvon Martin as well as his client's arrest at the trial.

The police usually provide testimonies for the state. But according to The Hispanic Business, O'Mara will be using this unusual strategy in defending his client who is being charged with second-degree murder of 17-year-old Martin.

The defense claims to currently have between 50-70 witnesses according to the Huffington Post. Zimmerman's legal team submitted a request to delay the trial, which is been set for June 10. O'Mara states that the defense needs additional time to prepare for the case
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on November 08, 2012, 09:45:34 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-fbi-records-20121108,0,6077432.story

Prosecutors release FBI records to Zimmerman's attorneys
6:15 p.m. EST, November 8, 2012

Two weeks ago, George Zimmerman's attorneys complained that prosecutors weren't releasing FBI records and other investigation details, but Thursday prosecutors filed paperwork showing they'd coughed them up.

The newly-released evidence includes five FBI reports, 10 reports by employees of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and details and notes from the files of FDLE scientists who did DNA and other evidence analysis.

Prosecutors also disclosed the identities of a dozen new state witnesses, although Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda characterized most as category "b" or "c" witnesses, meaning there are not expected to be prominent at trial.

One is the physician's assistant who treated Zimmerman. Three others are Zimmerman's neighbors.
 ::snipping2::
These new records should be released to the public in a few days or weeks.

Also Thursday, defense attorney Mark O'Mara filed notice that he plans to depose next week the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy on Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black 17-year-old whom Zimmerman shot Feb. 26 in Sanford.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: Toler on November 12, 2012, 03:23:46 PM
Trayvon Martin’s parents are Ebony Power 100 honorees
11/07/'12

The parents of Trayvon Martin have been saluted by Ebony magazine.
 
Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton were named Ebony Power 100 honorees. So was Benjamin Crump, their attorney, at a celebration last week in New York.
 
The Power 100 title salutes African-Americans who represent power in innovative, determined and world-changing ways, according to Ebony. Other honorees include Tom Joyner and golfer Ginger Howard.
 
Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton have become activists since their son was fatally shot in February in Sanford. George Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in the teen’s death.  ::snipping2:: 

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2012/11/trayvon-martins-parents-are-ebony-power-100-honorees.html



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Post by: grace-land on November 13, 2012, 11:56:59 PM
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/stand-your-ground-panel-keep-self-defense-law-inta/nS5yj/

Posted: 7:47 p.m. Tuesday, Nov. 13, 2012
Florida's Stand Your Ground panel: Keep self-defense law intact

PENSACOLA —
A panel tasked with looking into the state’s “Stand Your Ground” law finalized its recommendations on Tuesday, essentially affirming the law and saying that citizens have a right to defend themselves with deadly force without the duty to retreat when they feel threatened.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on November 15, 2012, 01:30:18 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-website-20121115,0,4599038.story

Zimmerman website to post all case documents
November 15, 2012

Attorneys for George Zimmerman announced Wednesday that they would immediately begin posting online all public documents associated with the case, including defense and state motions.

The attorneys said people complained that they posted only some of the paperwork on gzlegalcase.com, "effectively editorializing" through omission or inclusion.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on November 15, 2012, 01:39:02 AM
http://gzlegalcase.com/

Update on Media Policy for the Zimmerman Defense
on 13 November 2012.

The only post the defense team has made on the GZLegalCase.com website since the State’s Second Motion for Gag Order dated October 18 was an article entitled “Zimmerman Defense Invites Public Scrutiny of Media Policy.” Otherwise, we had effectively suspended our digital media campaign out of respect to the Court while the Second Motion for Gag Order was under consideration.
 ::snipping2::
From now on, we will post ALL public documents associated with the Zimmerman case, including motions filed by the defense and the State, as well as orders filed by the Court. We will file Notices of Deposition; however, we will continue to maintain the previously guarded privacy of certain witnesses, and will not post the names of witnesses being deposed unless their names have been previously disclosed by the State. These witness categories include law enforcement officers and witnesses who have voluntarily disclosed their identity to the media.
 
Here are links to case documents filed since our last post:
 
Documents associated with the State’s Second Request for Gag Order»
 
Documents associated with Discovery Matters»
 
Documents associated with Depositions»

Continue Reading »


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Post by: grace-land on November 15, 2012, 01:19:45 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-witness-names-20121115,0,3953822.story

George Zimmerman prosecutor leaks witness names
9:39 a.m. EST, November 15, 2012

Prosecutors, defense attorneys and judges in the Trayvon Martin murder case have gone to great lengths to protect the names of witnesses, fearing they'd be hounded by reporters, curiosity-seekers or worse. But lead prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda has inadvertently leaked the names of a dozen witnesses, violating a court order.

It's not clear what will happen now and whether he'll face any sort of sanction or punishment from the judge in the case, Debra S. Nelson in Sanford.

The foul-up happened in a court filing last week.

De la Rionda delivered a new set of evidence to defense attorneys on Thursday, Nov. 8, and as is required, he prepared a summary sheet and delivered it to the Seminole County courthouse.

Normally, he prepares two sets of summary sheets, one for defense attorneys that includes witness names and other protected information, and a second for the public that goes into the courthouse file. It typically identifies witnesses by number, for example witness 17.

But last Thursday de la Rionda filed the summary sheet that included witness names in the courthouse file, where anyone is free to look at it.

It lists nearly a dozen new witnesses. None is expected to be a major figure at George Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial. They include several of his neighbors, the physician's assistant who treated him the day after the shooting and two black Sanford community leaders who were at a U.S. Department of Justice meeting several months ago.

Those last two said they were baffled that they were on a witness list and had no first-hand knowledge about Zimmerman, Trayvon or the night of the shooting.

A spokesman for de la Rionda's office did not return an email, seeking comment about the leaked names.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: grace-land on November 16, 2012, 02:07:35 PM
http://www.dailycommercial.com/News/LakeCounty/16nov2012sanford

Eustis cop wants Sanford spot
Published: Friday, November 16, 2012

A Eustis police official wants to be the top cop in Sanford, a position that became vacant amid the Trayvon Martin shooting controversy.
 
Anthony Robinson, who's been with the Eustis Police Department since 1981 and its deputy chief since 2007, is among 31 candidates who have applied for the position of Sanford police chief as of Thursday, according to that city's human resources department.
  ::snipping2::
Lt. Paul Hopkins of the Orange County Sheriff's Office is the only other Central Florida candidate for the Sanford job.
 
Fred Fosson, Sanford's human resources director, said a recruiting organization will recommend some of the applicants for futher consideration and the city could make a final selection in February -- about four months before Zimmerman stands trial on the murder charges.
 


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Post by: grace-land on November 16, 2012, 02:19:45 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-cop-depos-20121116,0,2056863.story

George Zimmerman lawyers to depose first cop on the scene of Trayvon's shooting
10:43 a.m. EST, November 16, 2012

According to new court paperwork, George Zimmerman's attorneys plan to depose next Tuesday two key Sanford cops: Tim Smith, the first officer on the scene and the man who handcuffed George Zimmerman, and then-Sgt. Randy Smith, the front-line manager who oversaw the police investigation.

Both men may wind up as key witnesses at Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial.
::snipping2::
In his police report, Tim Smith wrote that when he got to the scene, he saw that Zimmerman's back was wet and had grass clippings on it. That suggests the defendant had been on the ground, facing up.

Tim Smith also wrote that he saw blood coming from Zimmerman's nose and the back of his head.
 ::snipping2::
Randy Smith, who has since been promoted to lieutenant, was deeply involved in the investigation. At the time, he was manager of the department's major crimes section, meaning he was the boss of lead Investigator Chris Serino.

The day after the shooting, Randy Smith accompanied Serino and Zimmerman to the scene, where Zimmerman re-enacted what he said happened.

Serino has not yet been deposed, but several other Sanford officers have, including other who were at the scene that night.
 ::snipping2::



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Post by: jamcakes on November 17, 2012, 03:41:18 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-witness-names-20121115,0,3953822.story

George Zimmerman prosecutor leaks witness names
9:39 a.m. EST, November 15, 2012

Prosecutors, defense attorneys and judges in the Trayvon Martin murder case have gone to great lengths to protect the names of witnesses, fearing they'd be hounded by reporters, curiosity-seekers or worse. But lead prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda has inadvertently leaked the names of a dozen witnesses, violating a court order.



Throw the bum Rionda under the jail.  There is no excuse for that kind of mistake!  Now the witnesses can be stalked, threatened, intimidated or worse.


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Post by: grace-land on November 19, 2012, 02:44:34 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/zimmermans-attorney-upset-over-release-witness-nam/nS9nR/

Posted: 11:33 a.m. Monday, Nov. 19, 2012
Zimmerman's attorney upset over release of witness names

SANFORD, Fla. —
George Zimmerman's attorney is firing back at the state for posting the names and addresses of at least seven witnesses in the killing of Trayvon Martin.

Zimmerman is accused of killing Martin in April, near his home in Sanford. Zimmerman claims the shooting was in self-defense as Martin attacked him.

Earlier this month, prosecutor Bernie De La Rionada submitted the names in a public file.

In an online post on Sunday, Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara, said he and the state agreed in April not to publicly post witness names.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on November 19, 2012, 02:48:25 PM
http://gzlegalcase.com/

State's 9th Supplemental Discovery (Redacted by Defense)
on 18 November 2012.

In our “Update on Media Policy For the Zimmerman Defense” we established that our policy is to post “ALL public documents associated with the Zimmerman case, including motions filed by the defense and State, as well as orders filed by the Court.”
 
Our first opportunity to follow through on this policy has met with a challenge. On Thursday, November 8, the State filed the State's 9th Supplemental Discovery which included the names and addresses of several witnesses. By including these witnesses names and addresss, the State was out of compliance with the Order to Unseal Court File, dated April 23, 2012, which says "the Court file is unsealed and the names and addresses of witnesses agreed to by the State and Defense will be redacted until further order of the Court;" and with the Order on Matters Addressed at April 27, 2012 Hearing, dated April 30, 2012, which states that "documents containing protected information should be filed in redacted form for the public record and in unredacted form under seal for in camera review."
 
While the State’s 9th Supplemental Discovery is already public, we will not post the unredacted version on our website as doing so compounds the State’s error and would violate the spirit of the Court order. Therefore, we have blocked out the names of witnesses that should have been redacted on the copy of the State’s 9th Supplemental Discovery on our website. While we intend to maintain our recently announced principle of posting “… ALL public documents…” we will further maintain discretion in this regard, when its exercise is appropriate, such as here.
 
State's 9th Supplemental Discovery (Redacted by Defense)
Order to Unseal Court File
Order on Matters Addressed at April 27, 2012 Hearing


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Post by: grace-land on November 19, 2012, 08:44:40 PM
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/detective-in-george-zimmerman-case-turns-to-jose-baez-for-legal-help/1262366

Detective in George Zimmerman case turns to Jose Baez for legal help
Posted: Nov 19, 2012 07:47 PM

The lead detective in the George Zimmerman murder trial hired famed lawyer Jose Baez to represent him as he maneuvers the next steps of the contentious high-profile case, the Miami Herald has learned.

Chris Serino, a former Sanford Police major-crimes investigator, became a controversial figure when evidence revealed that the detective had quietly filed an arrest affidavit a few weeks after the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, even as his chief publicly said there wasn't enough evidence to make a case.

A letter was sent last week by Baez to Dean Ringer Morton & Lawton, the law firm that sometimes represents the city of Sanford, advising that he will represent Serino in the upcoming proceedings. It is highly unusual for investigators to approach a murder trial with their own counsel.

Baez, who gained fame with the 2008 Casey Anthony case, declined to comment. A spokesman for Baez confirmed the letter and said Serino felt he needed an attorney to look out for his interests in the next stage of the case, but that he does not plan to file a lawsuit.

 "He wants his own counsel — he's intimidated," said Baez spokesman Michael Wright. "It may not be a friendly deposition."

Tape recorded interviews between Zimmerman and Serino showed the investigator was skeptical of his suspect almost from the start. Three days after Martin was shot, Serino peppered Zimmerman with inconsistencies in his story and what he viewed as relatively light injuries, which didn't match the dramatic account of events.

Days after the interviews were made public, the 15-year department veteran was transferred to patrol duty on the overnight shift.

Like other Sanford police officers, he will soon have to give his sworn statement to prosecutors and Zimmerman's defense team.

Defense lawyer Mark O'Mara recently began interviewing Sanford police officers and detectives to determine who at the department wanted to arrest Zimmerman. Early interviews suggested the department was largely in agreement that there was no case against Zimmerman, O'Mara has said.

An FBI report released this summer showed Serino told agents that he was pressured by African-American officers to file charges.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on November 19, 2012, 10:18:01 PM
http://www.mysanfordherald.com/view/full_story/20880769/article-Police-Blue-Ribbon-Panel-to-advise-city-manager-on-community-police-relations-for-3-5-months?instance=home_news_right

Police Blue Ribbon Panel to advise city manager on community-police relations for 3-5 months
November 19 2012 at 0854

As part of nine-point plan implemented during the height of the activity surrounding the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman incident, commissioners have authorized the city manager to create a Police Community Relations Blue Ribbon Panel.

The creation of the panel was one of nine-points outlined by Community Relations Liaison Andrew Thomas during a meeting with the Dream Defenders in late April. The group, which will be comprised of 25 members of the community representing various factions, will work with City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr. to identify any community relations issues with the police department. Subsequently, Bonaparte will relay those issues to the incoming chief.

Bonaparte said, “I would be working with the city police chief in looking at what the community is saying it feels are some of the areas of needed change in the police department.”

Bonaparte said he expected the panel to be in place for anywhere from three to five months.
Read more...


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Post by: Toler on November 22, 2012, 07:20:24 AM
Robert Zimmerman Jr. supporting online petition for brother
11/21/12

LAKE MARY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35 ORLANDO) -
Robert Zimmerman Jr. says, right after Trayvon Martin was shot and killed, there was a public relations campaign to ruin George Zimmerman's reputation.  He says it was fabricated by people looking to gain attention in the case and now he'd like a federal investigation into whether his brother's civil rights were violated.

"He is not a murderer.," Robert Zimmerman Jr. says as he continues to defend his brother George.  And this time, he's using an online petition to gather support. "The malicious stories they told in the beginning that even made a prosecution like this even possible. I don't think this should have been prosecuted."

The petition is one of many created on a website created by the White House, allowing citizens to speak out about their conc ::snipping2:: ::snipping2::erns. Robert says a man named David from California created this petition asking for a federal investigation into the malicious prosecution of George Zimmerman.  While some Trayvon Martin supporters question the credibility of the creator, Robert Jr says the message on the petition is important because it questions the people involved early in the case, "Had more to do with promoting a self serving agenda and there's also some political interests or political motivations."

He says it was wrong for Trayvon Martin's family attorneys to insinuate that his brother is a racist murderer.  "I think Benjamin Crump and Natalie Jackson laid a foundation for that to happen.   ::snipping2:: 

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/launch-federal-investigation-malicious-prosecution-george-zimmerman-seminole-county-florida/TWv1G7lk

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/20163248/robert-zimmerman-jr-supporting-online-petition-for-brother#ixzz2CvZGIEJs


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Post by: Toler on November 24, 2012, 02:04:29 PM
Authorities still don't know what's on Trayvon Martin's cellphone
Defense attorneys say they need to know more.
11/25/12

Despite all the investigation, public outrage and scrutiny over the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, at least one major piece of evidence has not yet been thoroughly analyzed: his cellphone.

Police found it at the scene the night Trayvon was shot, its battery dead. Authorities tried but failed to download data from the phone, then asked his father, Tracy Martin, for the security code so they could unlock it. They didn't get the code and turned the phone over to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

A crime-lab specialist there had only limited success accessing the messages, photos and other information on the phone, according to attorneys for defendant George Zimmerman

Without the security code, FDLE analyst Stephen Brenton told attorneys, he could not unlock the phone and download information from its primary data-storage site: the chip built into the phone, said defense attorney Mark O'Mara.

Brenton was able to download files from two removable-storage devices in the phone: its SIM card and SD card, O'Mara said. But the information on its internal chip remains a mystery. It could be revealing, according to O'Mara and co-counsel Don West.

The phone is a 2-year-old Huawei U8150 smartphone, a model manufactured in China and sold by T-Mobile as the "Comet" and which shoots video and photos and provides Internet access plus conventional cellphone and texting features.

It could be a font of information about Trayvon, the unarmed black 17-year-old that Zimmerman killed Feb. 26 in Sanford. Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder. He says he acted in self-defense.

In addition to revealing whom the high-school junior talked with and when and what text messages he sent and received, it could be an electronic record of what he thought — captured in email, videos and photos — and the websites he visited.

The information downloaded by Brenton at the FDLE lab "tells me the last few phone calls, but that's about it," O'Mara said. "It looks like there is other information that I should have."

Dave Kleiman, a computer forensic technician and expert witness with Computer Forensics LLC in West Palm Beach, has no connection to the case and has not analyzed the phone, but he said there may be ways to get to the information from the built-in memory chip.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-trayvon-cell-phone-20121125,0,542835.story


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on November 24, 2012, 02:08:01 PM
Oooops and sorry, forgot the  ::snipping2:: 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on November 24, 2012, 02:40:50 PM
More information from the article above

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-trayvon-cell-phone-20121125,0,542835.story
Authorities still don't know what's on Trayvon Martin's cellphone
November 25, 2012

 ::snipping2::
Trayvon's father provided ABC with a call log that showed several calls to Trayvon's phone in the minutes leading up to the shooting, something consistent with the girl's account to prosecutors. The last was at 7:12 p.m. Trayvon was shot at 7:16 p.m., according to Seminole County Sheriff's Office records.

The phone is registered to Trayvon's father. According to police records, on March 1, an analyst with the Seminole County Sheriff's Office told Sanford police he needed the security code to unlock the data on the phone.

Sanford police Detective Doris Singleton contacted the carrier, T-Mobile, asking for the code. The company told her they could get to the information if they had the PIN to the account. On March 5, Sanford police Sgt. Joe Santiago asked Tracy Martin for the PIN, according to a police report. Tracy Martin said he'd check with his attorney.

Martin never got back with police. At a March 8 news conference in Orlando, Tracy Martin told reporters he would not help police download information from the phone.

When questioned last month about Tracy Martin's decision to withhold the phone's PIN from authorities, family attorney Benjamin Crump said, "I don't know anything about that. We're going to do anything prosecutors say we should."


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Post by: iluvmua on November 24, 2012, 10:29:14 PM
OMG, TM's family is a piece of work.  I bet you $100 they know what is on his phone and whatever it is, I'm sure it paints their son in a very bad light.

I hope LE goes after tracy martin and thier lawyer.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on November 26, 2012, 01:04:46 PM
If George Zimmerman's father did this he'd be charged with obstructing justice.  Why not Tracy Martin?  Justice is NOT blind in this case.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on November 26, 2012, 05:42:38 PM
Yeah, if this was GZ's father people would be screaming for him to go to jail for not helping the police.

They need to arrest Tracy and send him to jail.


Duke Lacrosse all over again.

1. TM's parents do not want his school records nor his social media accounts to be looked at, so they try and block that.

2. Tracy Martin does not want to help the police by giving them access to the PIN code. Yeah, I say force him to give it too the police and then arrest him for obstructing justice.

I do not feel sorry for them at all. JMO.



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Post by: sharon on November 28, 2012, 09:01:18 PM
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/George-Zimmerman-Plans-To-Begin-Sending-Donors-Signed-Thank-You-Cards-181289491.html


George Zimmerman Plans To Begin Sending Donors Signed "Thank You" Cards

The New George Zimmerman Defense Fund is to be launched next month

By Mike Schneider
Wednesday, Nov 28, 2012  |  Updated 8:48 PM EST

George Zimmerman plans to step up fundraising to pay for his expenses while he awaits trial – and will begin sending donors signed “thank you” cards.

The former neighborhood watch leader's attorney said Wednesday that Zimmerman plans to launch the New George Zimmerman Defense Fund next month.

Each thank you card will be signed by Zimmerman, but the envelopes for them will not contain any reference to Zimmerman or the O’Mara Law Group, a new posting on gzdefensefund.com says.

 ::snipping2::

His attorney Mark O'Mara said an existing fund has raised $140,000 since last May, but the money in it is running a bit low.

A trial is set for June, but a Stand Your Ground hearing could be held by April.


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Post by: grace-land on November 29, 2012, 11:25:40 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-shellie-zimmerman-perjury-dismissal-request-20121129,0,7951118.story

Shellie Zimmerman asks judge to throw out perjury charge
5:24 p.m. EST, November 29, 2012

An attorney for Shellie Zimmerman today asked a judge to throw out the perjury charge against her, saying that Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, based in Jacksonville, has no jurisdiction in the case.
 ::snipping2::
Gov. Rick Scott in March appointed Corey as special prosecutor in the George Zimmerman case. He's the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who shot and killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed, black 17-year-old, Feb. 26, in Sanford.

Scott's executive order gave Corey the authority to investigate "all matters pertaining to the death."

In paperwork filed today in state circuit court in Sanford, Shellie Zimmerman's attorney, Kelly B. Sims, argues that Corey's authority does not extend to any cases in Seminole County except that of George Zimmerman.

"Importantly, Governor Scott did not give Special Prosecutor Corey blanket authority to file additional charges against other individuals for any alleged crimes committed within the Eighteenth Judicial Circuit," Sims wrote.

Seminole County is part of the 18th Judicial Circuit. Corey is the elected state attorney in the Fourth Judicial Circuit – Duval, Nassau and Clay counties.


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Post by: grace-land on November 30, 2012, 12:03:19 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-offering-autographed-cards-donations/story?id=17839335

George Zimmerman's Website Suggests 'Profiteering' by Lawyers for Trayvon Martin's Family
Nov. 29, 2012

George Zimmerman's legal team today defended his new promise to send autographed thank you cards to donors in an effort to bolster his dwindling legal defense fund.
 
The statement also said that if anyone is "profiteering" from the case it is the lawyers for the family of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teenager Zimmerman is accused of killing.
  ::snipping2::
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http://gzlegalcase.com/
Regarding The New George Zimmerman Defense Fund and Thank You Cards
on 29 November 2012.
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http://www.gzdefensefund.com/donate/
George Zimmerman Legal Defense Fund


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Post by: grace-land on November 30, 2012, 12:35:40 PM
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/11/30/judge-signs-subpoena-for-trayvon-martins-school-records/

Judge Signs Subpoena for Trayvon Martin’s School Records
November 30, 2012 10:36 AM

MIAMI (CBSMiami) – Trayvon Martin’s school records will be released to George Zimmerman’s attorney.
 
Wednesday, the judge hearing Zimmerman’s second-degree murder trial signed an order authorizing subpoenas for Trayvon’s school records, something his family and prosecutors had fought to stop.
 
It’ll include not only the teen’s grades and accolades, but also all disciplinary actions taken against him, dating back to middle school.

Sanford police said Trayvon Martin was on a 10-day suspension from Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School in Miami for having an empty marijuana baggie, when he was shot and killed by Zimmerman in Sanford in February 2012. Zimmerman said he shot Martin in self-defense under the state’s “Stand Your Ground” law.
 
The state attorney’s office tried to keep the records away from the defense.
 
They argued the teen wasn’t armed at the time of the shooting and what he did at school is irrelevant to the case.
 
The judge ruled that attorney Mark O’Mara was entitled to the records as part of his investigation into the case. Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: grace-land on November 30, 2012, 06:21:01 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-george-zimemrman-crump-trayvon-girlfriend-20121130,0,4647925.story

George Zimmerman defense asks judge for original recording of interview with 'star witness'
5:36 p.m. EST, November 30, 2012

George Zimmerman's legal team has asked a judge to force an attorney for Trayvon Martin's family to turn over to the defense a recorded interview with the witness described as the teen's girlfriend.

According to Benjamin Crump, an attorney representing Trayvon's family, the girlfriend was on the phone with 17-year-old Trayvon moments before he was shot by Zimmerman on Feb. 26.

At issue is a recorded interview Crump conducted with the girl, identified in prosecution documents as Witness 8. Crump played a portion of his talk with Witness 8 at a press conference in late March.

Crump has said that Witness 8 is 16 years old, but the defense writes in its motion that she is actually 18. She has not been publicly identified by either the state or defense, pursuant to a judge's order.

Witness 8's testimony may prove crucial to the state's case, because her account of events corroborates the state's assertion that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon before the shooting in Sanford.

In a new motion, defense attorney Don West refers to Witness 8 as the state's "star witness."

A copy of Crump's interview with Witness 8 already turned over to the defense is unintelligible, West argues in the new motion, urging the judge to order Crump to provide the original.

Circuit Judge Debra Nelson previously ruled Crump should bring the recording to his deposition by the defense, but West argues the defense needs the recording before his and other depositions.
 ::snipping2::
West's motion asks Nelson to order Crump to turn the device he used to record the interview over to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. The next hearing in the case is set for Dec. 11.


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Post by: Toler on November 30, 2012, 07:41:56 PM
George Zimmerman defense asks judge for original recording of interview with 'star witness'
11/30/12

George Zimmerman's legal team has asked a judge to force an attorney for Trayvon Martin's family to turn over to the defense a recorded interview with the witness described as the teen's girlfriend.

According to Benjamin Crump, an attorney representing Trayvon's family, the girlfriend was on the phone with 17-year-old Trayvon moments before he was shot by Zimmerman on Feb. 26.

At issue is a recorded interview Crump conducted with the girl, identified in prosecution documents as Witness 8. Crump played a portion of his talk with Witness 8 at a press conference in late March. Crump has said that Witness 8 is 16 years old, but the defense writes in its motion that she is actually 18. She has not been publicly identified by either the state or defense, pursuant to a judge's order.

Witness 8's testimony may prove crucial to the state's case, because her account of events corroborates the state's assertion that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon before the shooting in Sanford.

In a new motion, defense attorney Don West refers to Witness 8 as the state's "star witness."

A copy of Crump's interview with Witness 8 already turned over to the defense is unintelligible, West argues in the new motion, urging the judge to order Crump to provide the original.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-george-zimemrman-crump-trayvon-girlfriend-20121130,0,4647925.story


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Post by: grace-land on November 30, 2012, 10:32:52 PM
Two-page article

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-jose-baez-serino-20121130,0,6861430.story

Sanford cops a problem for prosecutors in Zimmerman case, experts say
7:01 p.m. EST, November 30, 2012

It was a strange development in a case that has seen more than its share: Chris Serino, the lead Sanford police investigator in the Trayvon Martin shooting, hired famed Casey Anthony defense attorney Jose Baez to represent him at his upcoming deposition in the case.

It's unclear what prompted Serino to hire a private attorney — eschewing available representation by the city of Sanford, his employer. But one issue likely to come up is his double-talk on whether there was enough evidence to support George Zimmerman's arrest as controversy surrounding the case spiraled out of control last spring.

Serino wrote in a sworn affidavit that there was probable cause to arrest Zimmerman. But he later told the Federal Bureau of Investigation he was pressured to author that document and didn't believe the evidence was sufficient for the manslaughter charge he recommended.

"Nobody put a gun to his head," says Michael Grieco, a Miami defense lawyer and former prosecutor. "When you sign an affidavit, you swear under oath."

And Serino isn't the only Sanford officer whose testimony could prove troublesome for prosecutors in the second-degree murder case against Zimmerman: High-ranking fellow officers largely agreed in March that there was not sufficient evidence to arrest Zimmerman.
 ::snipping2::
Despite hiring an attorney, there's no indication that Serino is currently facing internal or external investigation for his handling of the shooting. But several experts consulted by the Sentinel said there are a wide range of potential penalties for filing a false affidavit.

Orlando attorney Howard Marks, who frequently sues police agencies and officers for alleged misconduct, said that if an officer intentionally includes false facts in an affidavit, he may be guilty of violating a suspect's constitutional rights against illegal search and seizure. The officer could then be liable for civil damages.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: Toler on December 01, 2012, 01:16:26 PM
Trayvon Martin Case Whoopsie – Scheme Team MEGA-Fail: “Dee Dee” is Keyser Soze – Motion to Compel
11/30/12

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/11/30/trayvon-martin-case-whoopsie-scheme-team-mega-fail-dee-dee-is-kaiser-soze-motion-to-compel/


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Post by: Toler on December 01, 2012, 01:20:38 PM

Trayvon Martin Case Whoopsie – Scheme Team MEGA-Fail: “Dee Dee” is Keyser Soze – Motion to Compel
 The Conservative Treehouse ^ | December 1, 2012 | Sundance

Posted on Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:54:49 AM by Uncle Chip

Today the George Zimmerman defense team revealed a bombshell discovery. A discovery that will ultimately deconstruct the entire “persecution of George Zimmerman”, and lead to serious liability for Fraud against the Scheme Team and Malicious Prosecution against the State of Florida and Special Prosecutor Angela Corey.

We have outlined on numerous occasions there was nothing existing on March 12, 13, 14, 15, and 16 to law enforcement that would support an arrest of George Zimmerman.

The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event,” – Sanford Detective Serino told the Sentinel March 16.

“Everything I have is adding up to what he says.””

Law enforcement stated consistently there was nothing in their investigation that disputed ANYTHING in the George Zimmerman outline of events.

..........................

With specific and malicious intent the Martin family lead attorney Benjamin Crump “created the story that became DeeDee” who ultimately became Witness 8. The Scheme Team of Crump, Parks, and Jackson sold her to a willing media.

In his own words, Benjamin Crump sold the lies that are “DeeDee” to a more than gullible legacy media. You can read the initial sales pitch from Benjamin Crump in this March 20th CNN interview. (Transcript of his statement here: ) ".... She is a minor..... So I will ask you again on behalf of the family and on behalf of the young lady’s family if you would please respect their privacy. She is a minor."

......................

He further spun the false story – the ruse – with the use of Matt Gutman from ABC…. and extended the lies with Russell Simmons and the Global Grind.

The obvious questions were never asked: Why, if this girl was on the phone at the moment of the “encounter”, did she never call police – even AFTER finding out Trayvon was dead? She never told her mom, or the Martin family, or anyone, ever - Nobody? It just seemed absurd – but the media was “all-in” for the story. Further absurd was the angle this poor girl was unknown to Tracy or Sybrina, ever. They had NEVER even heard of her, yet she was such an integral part of Trayvon’s life.? Really? It was a complete ruse in the same standard as Al Sharpton’s Tawana Brawley. The same Al Sharpton who was mentoring Benjamin Crump in how to play the media.

The ruse was also obvious because the schemers could not even get their stories straight about Keyser Soze’s age. The false persona that became “DeeDee” was reported, by THEM, to be fifteen years old at times, sixteen years-old at other times, and also seventeen. The inconsistencies about her were brutally obvious.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2964713/posts


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Post by: Toler on December 01, 2012, 01:22:21 PM
11/30/12

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/11/30/trayvon-martin-case-whoopsie-scheme-team-mega-fail-dee-dee-is-kaiser-soze-motion-to-compel/


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Post by: MuffyBee on December 02, 2012, 04:36:31 PM
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121201/NEWS01/121201001/Trayvon-Martin-s-parents-to-be-honored-in-Detroit
Trayvon Martin's parents to be honored in Detroit
December 1, 2012

Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin will be honored in Detroit for establishing a foundation named after their 17-year-old son, Trayvon Martin, who was shot to death by a neighborhood watch volunteer in Florida.

The award is to be given Sunday during Central United Methodist Church's 8th Annual Peace and Justice Banquet at the Detroit Marriott inside the Renaissance Center downtown.
 ::snipping2::
Leadership Conference of Women Religious president Florence Deacon and deceased labor activist Ethel Schwartz also will be honored at the banquet in Detroit. "The New Jim Crow" author Michelle Alexander will speak at the banquet.

Slide show with 29 images at link.


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Post by: MuffyBee on December 03, 2012, 02:01:11 PM


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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on December 03, 2012, 02:12:50 PM
http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmerman-night-trayvon-martin-shooting-bloody-nose-face-graphic-photo

New Photo Surfaces Of George Zimmerman From Night Of Trayvon Shooting (GRAPHIC PHOTO)
Posted 15 min 4 sec ago

It's been almost 10 months since George Zimmerman fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin inside a gated Florida community.
 
Plenty of evidence and testimony surrounding the night of the shooting has been revealed since, but a new photo showing a bloodied Zimmerman has just been released to Zimmerman's defense website.
 ::snipping2::

Read more...


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Post by: grace-land on December 03, 2012, 03:25:04 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-new-photo-bloody-20121203,0,5139117.story

George Zimmerman defense releases bloody face photo
2:37 p.m. EST, December 3, 2012

George Zimmerman's defense team on Monday released a higher-quality version of a bloody photo of Zimmerman's face taken the night he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

The photo isn't new — a grainy, black-and-white version was released months ago — but it's a higher quality version of the image than has previously been available.
::snipping2::
Meanwhile, the defense also posted a new motion asking for Circuit Judge Debra Nelson's permission to re-depose a police witness, Investigator William Erwin.

The defense wasn't told before deposing Erwin the first time that he had been present when police played a 911 recording of the shooting for Trayvon's father, Tracy Martin, according to the new motion.

The 911 call was made by a neighbor who heard the struggle which proceeded the shooting. Tracy Martin, according to Sanford police, said that the voice heard crying in the audio was not that of his son.

However, the elder Martin has disputed the police account of his remarks, and he and the teenager's mother say they believe the cries for help were in fact Trayvon's.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: Puzzler on December 04, 2012, 01:33:27 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-new-photo-bloody-20121203,0,5139117.story

George Zimmerman defense releases bloody face photo
2:37 p.m. EST, December 3, 2012

George Zimmerman's defense team on Monday released a higher-quality version of a bloody photo of Zimmerman's face taken the night he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

The photo isn't new — a grainy, black-and-white version was released months ago — but it's a higher quality version of the image than has previously been available.
::snipping2::
Meanwhile, the defense also posted a new motion asking for Circuit Judge Debra Nelson's permission to re-depose a police witness, Investigator William Erwin.

The defense wasn't told before deposing Erwin the first time that he had been present when police played a 911 recording of the shooting for Trayvon's father, Tracy Martin, according to the new motion.

The 911 call was made by a neighbor who heard the struggle which proceeded the shooting. Tracy Martin, according to Sanford police, said that the voice heard crying in the audio was not that of his son.

However, the elder Martin has disputed the police account of his remarks, and he and the teenager's mother say they believe the cries for help were in fact Trayvon's.
 ::snipping2::


That nose looks broken to me.


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Post by: iluvmua on December 04, 2012, 02:32:08 PM
I'd say it's def. broken.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on December 04, 2012, 03:49:56 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/03/newly-released-photo-shows-bloodied-george-zimmerman-from-night-trayvon-martin/

Lawyer for George Zimmerman 'frustrated' at prosecutors' withholding of graphic photo
Published December 03, 2012

The attorney for George Zimmerman said he is "frustrated" that prosecutors withheld a color photo of the Florida gunman that could bolster his case that Zimmerman was being beaten when he shot Trayvon Martin.
 
The graphic photo of Zimmerman, taken the night of his fateful confrontation with Florida teen Trayvon Martin, shows the accused murderer with a bloody face. Zimmerman’s legal team released the photo, which was taken by police, after prosecutors substituted it in for a black and white photocopy that had been submitted earlier.
 
"I get frustrated when certain evidence gets out and other evidence is withheld," said Mark O'Mara, attorney for Zimmerman, 29, who faces murder charges in the Feb. 26 death of Martin, 17. "The photo is not a game-changer, but it is significant.
 
"If I had had that picture in my hand on April 11 ...," he said, referring to the date when Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder.
 
Florida rules governing discovery require that original photos be submitted, but O'Mara says that the discovery phase has been rife with issues.
 
"It just seems like it's been pulling teeth for discovery in this case," he said. "This case is the opposite of any I've normally taken. Usually,discovery is dumped on your desk, because it's normally good for [the prosecution]. They usually try to shove it down your throat."
Read more...


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Post by: grace-land on December 04, 2012, 04:14:34 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-fbi-new-evidence-20121204,0,7609897.story

New Zimmerman evidence details his interest in police, alleged racism in Sanford
3:32 p.m. EST, December 4, 2012

The Orlando Sentinel obtained the latest cache of evidence in the George Zimmerman murder case, including new details of Zimmerman's interest in law enforcement and testimony alleging racism and sexism in the Sanford Police Department.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation documents, part of an ongoing civil-rights investigation into the Feb. 26 shooting in Sanford, include interviews with Sanford police, Zimmerman's neighbors and at least one coworker.

Some of those interviewed said they interacted with Zimmerman in the aftermath of the shooting. As in previously released FBI records, none of those interviewed said they'd known Zimmerman to behave in a racist manner.

The Sentinel obtained the records Tuesday from the office of Special Prosecutor Angela Corey through a public-record request. The names of those interviewed by the FBI were redacted from the documents, in accordance with a judge's order.

Also in the latest evidence is digital copies of photos taken on the night of the shooting, showing Zimmerman's injuries. One of the photos was posted on the defense team's blog on Monday.
 ::snipping2::
The latest round of evidence contains numerous FDLE reports, documenting the agency's investigative efforts, including canvassing Zimmerman's neighborhood and nearby businesses.

Multiple investigative avenues, such as collecting surveillance video from the community's clubhouse and local businesses, resulted nothing of evidentiary value, the reports show.

Prosecutors allege Zimmerman profiled and pursued Trayvon. Zimmerman says he fired in self defense after the Miami Gardens teen attacked him.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on December 04, 2012, 11:05:09 PM
To read the documents, please click the links at the website.

http://gzlegalcase.com/

FBI Reports from the State's 9th Supplemental Discovery
on 04 December 2012

FBI REPORTS
SA Weyrauch: W47
SA Weyrauch: W45
SA Dawson: W51
SA Majeski: W46
SA Oliver: Santiago
SA Oliver: Singleton
SA Oliver: W48
SA Oliver: W49
SA Oliver: Francis Taaffee
SA Alexander: W50


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Post by: grace-land on December 04, 2012, 11:11:49 PM
http://www.macon.com/2012/12/04/2273231/zimmermans-lawyers-say-prosecutors.html

Zimmerman's lawyers say prosecutors are stalling
Published: December 4, 2012

MIAMI-George Zimmerman's lawyers say prosecutors are deliberately dragging their feet, and accused the Duval County State Attorney of delaying - and even hiding - evidence that suggests their client is innocent.

It took months and the judge's intervention for lawyers to get a vivid color copy of Zimmerman's bloody injuries. The defense didn't find out about witnesses who had helpful information until recently, and attorneys learned of a police officer's full role in the case by word of mouth.

Papers filed in Seminole County Court in Sanford accuse prosecutors of withholding exculpatory information by delaying reports and a key audio tape.

The lawyers are asking Seminole Circuit Judge Debra Nelson for help.

"The state should not be allowed to play hide and seek with the evidence," defense attorney Mark O'Mara wrote.

Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda has not filed a written response in court, and the spokeswoman for his office did not respond to a request for comment.
Read more...


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Post by: grace-land on December 05, 2012, 11:43:09 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-shellie-perjury-delay-20121205,0,1711459.story

George Zimmerman's wife granted continuance in perjury case
10:16 a.m. EST, December 5, 2012

Shellie Zimmerman, the wife of second-degree murder defendant George Zimmerman, was granted a continuance this week in her perjury case, court records show.

The next hearing in the case is set for Jan. 23. Prosecutors allege Shellie Zimmerman lied about her husband's finances at a bond hearing in his murder case.
 ::snipping2::



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Post by: grace-land on December 05, 2012, 11:47:00 PM
http://www.newstalkflorida.com/57-applicants-for-sanford-police-chief-job/

Updated: December 5, 2012, 12:29 PM
57 Applicants for Sanford Police Chief Job

SANFORD, Fla. (AP) _ Fifty-seven applicants are vying to lead the police force at the center of the Trayvon Martin investigation last February.
 
The new chief of the Sanford Police will be chosen early next year.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: grace-land on December 05, 2012, 11:50:34 PM
http://www.wogx.com/story/20262790/feds-send

Feds send 'peacemaker' team to Sanford to address race relations
Posted: Dec 04, 2012 10:25 PM CST Updated: Dec 04, 2012 10:25 PM CST

SANFORD, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35 ORLANDO) -
With race relation issues in Sanford, there's been a secret peacemaker visiting the city.  For the first time, the a Sanford project manager is speaking out about it.

When George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin back in February, it sparked plenty of protests, exposing a problem with race relations in the City of Sanford.

"They're not going to go away, so it's not time to be the ostrich in the sand," says Sanford Senior Project Manager Andrew Thomas. 

Among all the commotion, there were peacemakers in the crowd, and at least one continues to keep coming back.  Thomas says representatives from the U.S. Department of Justice Community Relations team have been visiting at least once a month to improve race relations, while keeping a low profile.

"They're facilitators and mediators and that is not something that they do in the broad open," Thomas says.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: grace-land on December 06, 2012, 06:51:05 PM
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/12/06/george-zimmerman-sues-nbc-over-edited-11-call/

George Zimmerman Sues NBC over Edited 911 Call
Published December 06, 2012

ORLANDO, Fla. –  George Zimmerman is suing NBC for what he claims was defamation when the network edited his 911 call to police after the shooting of Trayvon Martin to make it sound like he was racist.
 
The former neighborhood watch volunteer filed the lawsuit seeking an undisclosed amount of money in Seminole County, outside Orlando. Also named in the complaint were three reporters covering the story for NBC or an NBC-owned television station.
 
The complaint said the airing of the edited call has inflicted emotional distress on Zimmerman, making him fear for his life and causing him to suffer nausea, insomnia and anxiety.
 ::snipping2::
Read more...


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Post by: grace-land on December 06, 2012, 07:10:23 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-sues-nbc-20121206,0,5534879.story

Trayvon Martin shooting: George Zimmerman sues NBC over its coverage of Trayvon Martin case
6:40 p.m. EST, December 6, 2012

 ::snipping2::
The suit, filed in Seminole County by attorneys Mark O'Mara of Orlando and James Beasley of Philadelphia, accuses NBC of igniting "media arson" in March when it spliced a portion of the call between Zimmerman and a dispatcher "to juxtapose unrelated content to make it appear that Zimmerman was a racist and that he was racially profiling Trayvon Martin."
 ::snipping2::
The lawsuit also names NBC reporters Ron Allen, Lila Rodriguez Luciano and Jeff Burnside. Luciano and Burnside were fired because of their work on the case, according to the suit.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on December 06, 2012, 07:17:12 PM
http://gzlegalcase.com/

Regarding Mr. Zimmerman's Complaint Against NBC.
on 06 December 2012.

George Zimmerman has filed a lawsuit against NBCUniversal Media, LLC. Mark O’Mara joins James Beasley of The Beasley Firm as co-counsel in this civil lawsuit. A separate website has been created to provide statements and public recordings regarding this civil lawsuit at GZvNBC.com.


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Post by: grace-land on December 06, 2012, 07:27:32 PM
http://www.gzvnbc.com/index.php/press-releases

About GZvNBC.com
on 06 December 2012. Posted in Press Releases

This GZvNBC.com website is operated on behalf of George Zimmerman by the O’Mara Law Group and The Beasley Firm, LLC. The purpose of the website is to provide news and public documents related to Mr. Zimmerman’s complaint against NBC. Like the GZLegalCase.com website, this site necessary to counter the avalanche of negative publicity -- and as the George Zimmerman v. NBCUniversal Media, LLC. complaint alleges –- including deceptive and exploitative journalism that has defamed the character of George Zimmerman.
 
This GZvNBC.com website will share many of the same goals outlined in the article entitled “Why Social Media for George Zimmerman” on the GZLegalCase.com website, especially the goal of Disputing Misinformation. However, in the case of the GZvNBC.com website, we intend on disputing misinformation with the same publicity and vigor that it was originally spread by NBC.


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Post by: grace-land on December 06, 2012, 07:35:02 PM
To read the document, please click the link provided at the website.

http://www.gzvnbc.com/

George Zimmerman Sues NBC
on 06 December 2012. Posted in Documents

On Thursday, December 6, 2012, George Zimmerman filed a legal complaint against NBCUniversal Media, LLC and three individuals who were employed by NBCUniversal Media, LLC, Inc. during the time relevant to the complaint: Ron Allen, Lilia Rodriguez Luciano, and Jeff Burnside. The 24-page complaint alleges “NBC News saw the death of Trayvon Martin not as a tragedy but as an opportunity to increase ratings, and so set about to create the myth that George Zimmerman was a racist and predatory villain.” The complaint, filed in Seminole County, demands a trial by jury, and demands damages sufficient to invoke the jurisdiction of the Circuit Court.
 
Document: George Zimmerman v. NBCUniversal Media, LLC


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Post by: grace-land on December 06, 2012, 08:03:16 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2012/12/06/can-george-zimmerman-prevail-against-nbc/

Can George Zimmerman prevail against NBC?
Posted by Erik Wemple on December 6, 2012 at 7:30 pm

The just-filed suit by George Zimmerman against NBC Universal and three employees furnishes some flaming legal invective. It claims that NBC News, via its repeated mis-editing of a 911 audiotape, portrayed Zimmerman as a “racist and predatory villain.” The motivation behind such a portrayal, charges the suit, was to gin up “topics” for the network’s “failing news programs.”

Tough-sounding stuff.

The goods to back up the suit’s central allegations are all out there on video feeds across the Internet. NBC News editing of that 911 audiotape gave viewers the impression that Zimmerman had volunteered that Trayvon Martin was black, when in fact the 911 dispatcher asked him about the young man’s racial appearance.

For the purposes of a libel case, then, Zimmerman should have little trouble proving that NBC News broadcast false and defamatory material about him. The stiff legal challenge for Zimmerman & Co. lies in another phase of the proceedings, and that is proving damages from NBC’s treatment.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: grace-land on December 07, 2012, 01:28:18 PM
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/12/06/zimmermans-attorney-we-will-not-take-plea-deal

Zimmerman attorney: We won't take a plea deal
updated 11:17 AM EST, Fri December 07, 2012

George Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara says his client will not accept a plea deal to avoid going to trial on a murder charge in the death of Trayvon Martin.
 
On Thursday, O’Mara told In Session correspondent Jean Casarez that he would not allow his client to accept a plea deal.  “I wouldn’t plea someone who is innocent. So I think the answer is pretty easily no,” said O’Mara.
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Post by: grace-land on December 07, 2012, 02:03:13 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2012/12/07/why-didnt-nbc-news-apologize-to-george-zimmerman/

Why didn’t NBC News apologize to George Zimmerman?
Posted by Erik Wemple on December 7, 2012 at 12:41 pm

There are lots of damning allegations against NBC News in the “reckless defamation” lawsuit filed yesterday by lawyers for George Zimmerman. It charges NBC News with an effort to “create the myth that George Zimmerman was a racist and predatory villain” in its coverage of the Trayvon Martin case.

NBC Universal has already slapped back that contention. A statement issued yesterday to the Erik Wemple Blog states, in part, “There was no intent to portray Mr. Zimmerman unfairly.”

There’s at least one other claim in the suit, however, that won’t prompt a sharp denial from NBC:

To this day, the defendants have never apologized to Zimmerman for deliberately portraying him as a hostile racist who targeted Martin due to his race…”
 ::snipping2::
James Beasley, the Philadelphia-based lawyer who’s representing Zimmerman, says his office requested retraction from NBC News in late September/early October. “Nothing of substance ever came through,” says Beasley. “You give the defendants the opportunity to correct it, and the fact that they don’t goes toward the issue of malice.”

NBC Universal didn’t respond to a request for comment in time for this post.



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Post by: grace-land on December 07, 2012, 03:18:39 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/zimmerman-wants-gps-monitoring-device-removed/nTP98/

Posted: 1:25 p.m. Friday, Dec. 7, 2012
Zimmerman wants GPS monitoring device removed

ORLANDO, Fla. —
George Zimmerman's defense team wants a judge to allow him to travel freely throughout the state of Florida.

On Friday, lawyers filed several new motions, including one asking that Zimmerman's GPS monitoring device be removed.

Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara, said his client needs to be free to attend meetings that could help his defense.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: grace-land on December 07, 2012, 03:26:07 PM
To read the documents, please click the links provided at the website.

http://gzlegalcase.com/

Notice of Hearing: December 11, 2012
on 07 December 2012

The following NOTICE OF HEARING has been filed, along with the following motions.  The hearing is scheduled for Tuesday, December 11, 2012 at 9:00 a.m.
 
Notice of Hearing
Defendant's Motion to Take Additional Deposition
Defendant's Motion to Compel Production of Evidence from Third-Party
Defendant's Motion to Compel Additional Discovery
Defendant's Motion to Compel Regarding Voice Identification
Defendant's Motion to Modify Conditions of Release
Defendant's Motion for Clarification of Order Setting Bail
Defendant's Amended Demand for Specific Discovery from Federal Bureau of Investigation
Defendant's Amended Demand for Specific Discovery from Department of Justice Community Relations Services


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Post by: sharon on December 08, 2012, 09:09:00 AM
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Miami-Dade-Youth-Commissioners-Focusing-on-Nonviolence-Months-Before-George-Zimmermans-Trial-182077231.html


Miami-Dade Youth Commissioners Focusing on Nonviolence Months Before George Zimmerman’s Trial
Members of Miami-Dade’s Community Relations Board and Youth Commission spoke about an action plan before county commissioners Tuesday

By Betty Yu
Tuesday, Dec 4, 2012  |  Updated 7:10 PM EST

At least six months ahead of George Zimmerman's murder trial, the Miami-Dade County Youth Commission is preparing to promote nonviolence, mainly through schools, churches and police departments.

"Some schools have held demonstrations and walkouts and that's great, that's the path we want to continue on instead of fights breaking out, that's hopefully want we don't want to happen,” Miami-Dade County Youth Commissioner Natalia Gonzalez said.

The highly sensitive case prompted the county's community relations board to create a plan to calm tensions before, during and after the trial of Zimmerman, 29, which is scheduled for June. He shot and killed Trayvon Martin, 17, of Miami Gardens in Sanford in February. Zimmerman claims the shooting was in self-defense and has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder.

The community relations board’s chair, Dr. Walter T. Richardson, presented its nonviolence campaign to the Miami-Dade Board of County Commissioners early Tuesday.

Richardson said there will be people who will be disappointed however the trial turns out, and there are people who support Zimmerman.

”And then there are people, a large majority of people, from what I'm hearing, that will be affected if the trial goes the other way and he's found not guilty. And so either way we need to make sure our citizens are informed,” Richardson said.

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Post by: Toler on December 08, 2012, 05:23:06 PM
Top 10 Excerpts from Zimmerman vs. NBC News Complaint
12/07/12

On Thursday, George Zimmerman filed suit against NBC News and three NBC producers he accuses of intentionally painting him as a racist. Zimmerman and his attorneys have now done what many in the new media only dream of doing, holding the major media responsible for their biased and misleading output.
 
The language in the complaint is blunt. It calls NBC's coverage "yellow journalism" and refers to "journalistic crimes." Most broadly, the complaint accuses NBC of trumping up a racism narrative for ratings, with a name check of the Today Show and Rev. Al Sharpton in particular. Here are some of the highlights or, if you prefer, the media's lowlights from the complaint:
 1. NBC saw the death of Trayvon Martin not as a tragedy but as an opportunity to increase ratings, and so set about to create the myth that George Zimmerman was a racist and predatory villain. Their goal was simple: keep their viewers alarmed, and thus always watching, by menacing them with a reprehensible series of imaginary and exaggerated racist claims.
2.NBC created this false and defamatory mis-impression using the oldest form of yellow journalism: manipulating Zimmerman's own words, splicing together disparate parts of the recording to create the illusion of statements that Zimmerman never actually made.
3.Defendants pounced on the Zimmerman/Martin matter because they knew this tragedy could be, with proper sensationalizing and manipulation, a racial poweder keg that could result in months, if not years, of topics for their failing news programs, particularly the plummeting ratings for their ailing Today Show.
4.The defendants media arson was ignited on March 19, 2012, when NBC and defendant [Jeff] Burside broadcast from Sanford, Florida the first manipulated audio of the call.
5.Defendants' improper juxtaposition of unrelated dialogue between Zimmerman and the dispatcher was specifically done to imply that Zimmerman had a racist motive.
6.Only after defendants' malicious acts were uncovered and exposed by other media outlets...did defendant NBC "apologize" and terminate some of those in its employ responsible for the yellow journalism identified in this Complaint.
7.In addition to portraying Zimmerman as a racist via their manipulative editing, the defendants also falsely claimed, without any legitimate basis -- and in spite of what the Sanford police had concluded -- that Zimmerman also stated a "racial epithet" during the call.
8.Only after other news and internet media identified these outrageous manipulations did NBC address them, with a sham "investigation" that attempted to sweep their yellow journalism -- intended to exacerbate racial tensions, at the expense of Zimmerman and the truth -- under the rug; NBC's President, Steve Capus, made a bogus non-apology that claimed the doctoring was merely a "mistake."
9.All of the defendant's actions have substantially contributed to a media frenzy including rallies provoked by NBC personnel such as the Reverend Al Sharpton (and employee of NBC, who reported on his own rallies on behalf of NBC) and public misunderstanding which has caused severe damage to the plaintiff, including death threats and a bounty for his capture.
10.Due to the defendants' journalistic crimes, Zimmerman has been transformed into one of the most hated men in America. Plaintiff seeks substantial compensatory and exemplary damages to punish the defendants for their outrageous fraud upon the public, designed to mislead our nation, create a national uproar, forever ostracize Zimmerman, and taint his jury pool, all to profit and attract attention to their television news programs.  ::snipping2::

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/12/07/Top-10-Excerpts-from-the-Zimmerman-vs-NBC-News-Complaint


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Post by: Toler on December 10, 2012, 04:03:30 PM
Prosecutor: Zimmerman trying to 'co-opt the mantle of victimhood' from Trayvon Martin
12/10/12

In a blistering response to a recent filing by George Zimmerman's defense team, prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda accuses the second-degree murder defendant of attempting "to co-opt the mantle of victimhood for himself."
 
Zimmerman's legal team had asked Circuit Judge Debra Nelson to force an attorney for the family of Trayvon Martin, the Miami Gardens teen shot by Zimmerman Feb. 26 in Sanford, to turn over a recorded interview of a witness described as the teen's girlfriend.
 
In its filing, the defense argued Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump was not forthcoming in response to requests for the original copy of the recording of the girl, who is identified in prosecution documents as "Witness 8."

That request is set to be among several motions heard by Nelson tomorrow, but today, de la Rionda fired back at what he described as the Zimmerman team's "revisionist history."
 
"No matter how often, how viciously, or how vociferously Defense Counsel tries to attack Mr. Crump and make him a feature of this case, he is not the issue," de la Rionda writes in his response, arguing Zimmerman's "goal... is not legitimately to gather relevant evidence in this criminal case. Rather, he is clearly more interested in defending his own supposed 'reputation' than in permitting a judge and/or a jury to consider his actions."

De la Rionda goes on to explain that prosectors have arranged for the recording device to be turned over to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, as the defense requested.
 
Zimmerman's defense team, in a reply to the state's filing, indicated that it would withdraw its motion if the state can show the device has been turned over to FDLE.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-crump-state-response-20121210,0,7660340.story?track=rss


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Post by: Toler on December 10, 2012, 04:12:13 PM
State's Responses to Defense's Motions and Mr. Zimmerman's Replies
12/10/12

http://www.gzlegalcase.com/


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Post by: cookie on December 10, 2012, 06:13:51 PM
George's nose sure looks broken to me!

Hubs thinks that George will get off on the charges and thinks that there will be riots..we will see...I think that George will be found not guilty as well.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on December 11, 2012, 12:42:25 AM
George's nose sure looks broken to me!

Hubs thinks that George will get off on the charges and thinks that there will be riots..we will see...I think that George will be found not guilty as well.

Hopefully, a good jury is picked; one that will consider all the evidence, testimony of witnesses and experts--unlike the Anthony's jurors who appeared to arrive at a verdict based on the opening/closing statements.


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Post by: grace-land on December 11, 2012, 12:48:50 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2012/12/10/will-george-zimmerman-regret-hannity-interview/

Will George Zimmerman regret Hannity interview?
Posted by Erik Wemple on December 10, 2012 at 4:18 pm

 ::snipping2::
As it gears up to defend itself, NBC Universal is all but certain to mount a familiar argument. Zimmerman, it will likely contend, is a “public figure” for the purposes of the lawsuit. Under defamation law, those whom the court terms “public figures” bear a heightened burden of proof when bringing a libel case against a news outlet. They must prove that the outlet acted knowingly to spread falsehoods or with reckless disregard of the truth — a standard known to lawyers as “actual malice.” Regular folks — non-public figures, that is — have much less burden to prevail in a libel action; they need prove only that the news outlet acted with negligence or carelessness. The spirit behind the bifurcated standard in libel cases is to “free criticism of public officials from the restraints imposed by the common law of defamation.”

Atlanta attorney Lin Wood calls public-figure arguments “the linchpin for successful defense of defamation cases.”
 ::snipping2::
Wood focuses on chronology in determining whether Zimmerman is adjudged a public figure. The NBC News tape-manglings occurred in late March, though Zimmerman didn’t go on “Hannity” until months later. “If his public appearances … by way of the Internet and television interviews were subsequent in time to the edited tape, I believe he would be deemed a private figure,” says Wood.

Yet Wood also notes that NBC Universal could well try to categorize Zimmerman as an “involuntary public figure,” which is essentially someone who acquires a high profile for being “in the wrong place at the wrong time,” as Wood puts it. Should be a fascinating case.



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Post by: grace-land on December 11, 2012, 12:52:14 AM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2012/12/george-zimmerman-how-tv-will-cover-tuesdays-hearing.html

George Zimmerman: How TV will cover Tuesday’s hearing
Central Florida News 13, George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin, WESH, WFTV, WKMG, WOFL — posted by halboedeker on December, 10 2012 3:39 PM

Where to watch Tuesday’s hearing in the George Zimmerman case?
 
Central Florida News 13 plans to carry the entire hearing, which starts at 9 a.m.
 
WOFL-Channel 35 said live coverage starts on “Good Day” at 9 a.m. The station also will stream the hearing on its website.
 
WESH-Channel 2, WKMG-Channel 6 and WFTV-Channel 9 said they will stream the hearing on their websites.
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Post by: grace-land on December 11, 2012, 10:54:16 AM
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/12/11/live-blog-george-zimmermans-attorneys-court

Live blog: George Zimmerman in court
By Graham Winch
updated 10:29 AM EST, Tue December 11, 2012

 ::snipping2::
Read In Session’s live blog below for minute-by-minute recap of Tuesday’s hearing:
 
10:27 a.m. ET: The hearing has concluded.
 
10:26 a.m. ET: Nelson has scheduled time for future hearings on January 8, and February 5.
 
10:25 a.m. ET: Nelson is discussing future dates with attorneys from both sides.
 
10:21 a.m. ET: Judge Nelson denied the defense's motion requesting an amendment to Zimmerman's bond restrictions. Zimmerman will have to stay in Seminole county, and will have to continue wearing a GPS tracking device.
 
10:19 a.m. ET: O'Mara says he wants reasonable bond restrictions, and he deserves the freedom to travel around the state of Florida and to remove the GPS tracking device.
 
10:18 a.m. ET: O'Mara says his client wears a bulletproof vest, and he should be able to leave the county for his safety.  He also says there is a reason why Zimmerman was told by his university and employer that he couldn't come back after the shooting.
 
10:16 a.m. ET: O'Mara says he wants the case to go to trial, but wants his client to make it to trial hinting at the fact that Zimmerman's life is in danger.
 
10:14 a.m. ET: Defense attorney O'Mara says that the case has inflamed the nation, and his client shouldn't have to deal with it in hiding.
 
10:12 a.m. ET: Prosecutor de la Rionda wraps his argument by reminding the court of what happened the night Martin died.
 
10:09 a.m. ET: Prosecutor de la Rionda says that nothing has changed since July when Zimmerman was released. He also wonders why Zimmerman is walking through the front door of the courtroom and appearing on TV if he is in danger.
 
10:03 a.m. ET: Prosecutor de la Rionda says that the defense can't have it both ways, because they drum up all this publicity then complain he isn't safe. He asks the court why are we here today, to "sign autographs?"
 
10:00 a.m. ET: Prosecutor de la Rionda reminds the court that Zimmerman deceived the court, and says the defense attorneys would like to pretend that never happened. He also says he opposes the defense's request to amend Zimmerman's bond restrictions.
 
9:59 a.m. ET: O'Mara says his client should be treated as a person who is accused, not convicted.
 
9:58 a.m. ET: O'Mara is supporting his argument by showing all the ways Zimmerman has complied with his bond conditions since he was released in July.
 
9:56 a.m. ET: O'Mara says he doesn't want his client to have to wear a GPS tracking device. He also asks the judge to allow Zimmerman to leave Seminole County for his safety.
 
9:54 a.m. ET: Nelson moves on to the defense's request to modify Zimmerman's bond restrictions. O'Mara has called a witness who has monitored Zimmerman since he has been released from custody in July. The witness says Zimmerman has complied with all of his condition.s
 
9:50 a.m. ET: Zimmerman's attorney Don West wants to know which witnesses listened to the 911 call and whether they identified the voices in the recording. De La Rionda agreed and said he would release this information to the defense.
 
9:49 a.m. ET: The judge is back on the bench and is discussing the 911 call and the recordings of the call.
 
9:45 a.m. ET: The hearing is about to resume, attorneys are back in the courtroom.
 
9:41 a.m. ET: Zimmerman is still sitting at the defense table with his eyes closed.
 
9:36 a.m. ET: The hearing should resume any minute now.
 
9:31 a.m. ET: During the break, Zimmerman is sitting with his eyes closed at the defense table taking what looks like deep breaths.
 
9:20 a.m. ET: Judge Nelson suggests that the court take a 10 minute break so attorneys from both sides can talk about what the defense is requesting. Court is now in recess for 10 minutes.
 
9:19 a.m. ET: Prosecutor Bernie De Le Rionda says he doesn't understand the defense's request. De Le Rionda also says that Zimmerman was played the 911 call and did not identify it as his own voice.
 
9:17 a.m. ET: West wants all reports, and any analysis of Zimmerman's 911 call turned over to the defense.
 
9:12 a.m. ET: Zimmerman's attorney Don West is discussing a recording of Zimmerman's call to 911 the night Martin was shot.
 
9:09 a.m. ET: Nelson clarifies that the defense should have access to all files from any law enforcement agency.
 
9:06 a.m. ET: Nelson denies O'Mara's request for the FDLE files, because he isn't sure what he needs. She says he needs to go to FDLE and look at their files to find out what he needs first.
 
9:05 a.m. ET: Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara says he wants files from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement regarding his client.
 
9:03 a.m. ET: The defense wants to know if there are any other recordings of the interview between Crump and Martin's girlfriend. Nelson says they need to depose Crump and ask him.
 
8:59: a.m. ET: Zimmerman's attorneys are asking Nelson to have prosecutors turn over a recording device that has Crump's interview with Martin's girlfriend on it.
 
8:58: a.m. ET: Nelson says motions need to be filed two days before the date of a hearing for them to be discussed.
 
8:56 a.m. ET: Judge Nelson is on the bench and is discussing various motions from the defense. The motions include a request for more depositions, and another motion asking for Martin family attorney Ben Crump to turn over evidence. Zimmerman is in court and is wearing a suit.
 
8:48 a.m. ET: Prosecutors enter the courtroom


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on December 11, 2012, 11:08:15 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-gps-hearing-20121211,0,2988038.story

George Zimmerman case: Judge denies motion to take him off GPS, remove residency constraints
10:28 a.m. EST, December 11, 2012

Judge Debra Nelson denied a motion to modify the conditions of George Zimmerman's release after his attorneys argued their client has complied with GPS monitoring and residency restrictions but deserves to be free due to safety concerns.

Zimmerman, accused of second-degree murder in the Feb. 26 shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, has asked Circuit Judge Debra Nelson to remove him from court-ordered GPS monitoring, and to force prosecutors to turn over more records from state and federal investigations of the shooting.

In addition to the bond decision, Nelson ruled on a slew of motions, granting some and denying other defense requests for additional evidence in the case against George Zimmerman in Sanford this morning.

The first two issues to come before the court were decided quickly: Zimmerman may re-depose Sanford police Investigator William Erwin, who the defense says was present when police played 911 audio for Trayvon Martin's father, and the state will turn over the original recording of Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump's interview of a girl identified as the Miami Gardens teen's girlfriend.
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Post by: grace-land on December 11, 2012, 11:14:07 AM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2012/12/george-zimmerman-mark-nejame-joins-news-13.html

George Zimmerman: Mark NeJame joins News 13
Caylee and Casey Anthony, Central Florida News 13, George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin, WKMG — posted by halboedeker on December, 11 2012 10:13 AM

Central Florida News 13 got a real lift during its coverage Tuesday morning of the George Zimmerman hearing. Orlando attorney Mark NeJame has joined the cable channel as a legal analyst.
 
NeJame became familiar to the TV audience when he was a legal analyst for WKMG-Channel 6 during the Casey Anthony case. NeJame has worked for CNN as an analyst on the Zimmerman case and will continue in that position. In effect, viewers will get to see NeJame do local and national commentary.
 
On News 13, NeJame put the issues in clear, concise terms. The cornerstone of the Zimmerman case will be who is screaming for help on a recording of the deadly confrontation, NeJame told anchor Jackie Brockington. Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.
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Post by: grace-land on December 11, 2012, 11:26:52 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-12-10/news/os-trayvon-political-committee-20121210_1_trayvon-martin-sybrina-fulton-george-zimmerman

Political committee formed by Trayvon's family gets slow start
December 10, 2012

Trayvon Martin's family launched a political fund-raising committee earlier this fall, vowing to push public officials to change a law that they say needlessly complicated the case against their son's killer.

They want to revise Florida's "stand your ground" law and similar statutes in other states so people who initiate a violent confrontation cannot claim self-defense and be granted immunity.

"Any time anybody shoots anybody now, they claim stand your ground (immunity)," said Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon's family and one of the organizers of their new political fund-raising committee. "I don't think that's what any legislators intended for any of these laws to be used for when they passed this law."

But the committee, Change for Trayvon, did not impact the Nov. 6 election, and it's not clear that a lobbying effort in Tallahassee during the upcoming legislative session would be successful.

A statewide task force headed by Lt. Gov. Jennifer Carroll hammered out a near-final draft of its report last month, and it calls for no change to the law.
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Post by: crazybabyborg on December 12, 2012, 03:15:47 AM
George's nose sure looks broken to me!

Hubs thinks that George will get off on the charges and thinks that there will be riots..we will see...I think that George will be found not guilty as well.

Hopefully, a good jury is picked; one that will consider all the evidence, testimony of witnesses and experts--unlike the Anthony's jurors who appeared to arrive at a verdict based on the opening/closing statements.


Hear, Hear, Grace-land! A fair and thorough trial with an open minded, intelligent jury is all justice can ask. Regardless of how it turns out, I can respect a decision from a jury who is that. The riot possibility will most likely be there if he isn't found guilty, IMO, but I hope that public reaction, either way, will not even enter the juror's minds.


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Post by: grace-land on December 12, 2012, 11:05:08 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-serino-changes-affidavit-20121212,0,43028.story

New Zimmerman evidence: Serino changed final report four times in five hours
6:04 p.m. EST, December 12, 2012

SANFORD – After Chris Serino, the Sanford police detective who led the investigation into the Trayvon Martin shooting death, wrote the most important police report in the case, he revised it at least four times.

And he made at least one huge change: He initially said George Zimmerman should be charged with second-degree murder then changed course and recommended a charge of manslaughter, according to a prosecutor and new list of evidence.

Serino made all those revisions to the report summarizing his findings during one five-hour stretch on March 13, according to a newly-released evidence list.

In the first two drafts, according to Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda, Serino wrote that he had probable cause to recommend a second-degree murder charge. Then, over the next hour, he changed the report twice more and in his final version wrote that the evidence supported the lesser charge.

One of Serino's supervisors, Sanford police Capt. Bob O'Connor, said in a July 3 interview that everyone in Serino's chain of command agreed with the investigator's conclusion. Serino's direct supervisor, then-Sgt. Randy Smith, also signed the final version.

Each version was turned over to defense attorneys Tuesday, although they have not yet been made public. That should happen in the next few weeks.
::snipping2::
Cop did what he was told

The new evidence list shows that on March 13, the day Sanford police surrendered the case to the Office of Seminole-Brevard State Attorney Norm Wolfinger, Serino went to great lengths to polish and revise the final report.

It was a time of extraordinary pressure on the department. National civil rights leaders were accusing Sanford officers of racism and sloppy police work.

There were rallies and marches in Sanford and across the country, and political leaders were pressuring the department to make an arrest.

But police did not have enough evidence to arrest Zimmerman, they said at the time and have repeated ever since. Former Police Chief Bill Lee Jr. and other senior officers said that would have been a violation of his civil rights, so their solution: Dump it on Wolfinger.

For the State Attorney to take over the investigation, however, police had to file the right paperwork, Lee wrote in an email to the Orlando Sentinel in July.

That includes a charging recommendation, Lee wrote, and as lead investigator, that task fell to Serino.

He did what he was told, according to O'Connor. Just above Serino's signature, the veteran investigator wrote, "I believe there exists probable cause for issuance of a capias charging George Michael Zimmerman with manslaughter."

O'Connor told the Sentinel in July, "Basically, the implied order was, 'Get it out the door'… We wrote up what we had, the context of what we had … with the understanding that there was still insufficient evidence for the State Attorney to charge."

On Tuesday, de la Rionda handed the much-revised Serino report to defense attorneys, saying he had received it recently from Serino's attorney, Jose Baez, who advised them that it would likely help Zimmerman.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: KittyMom on December 13, 2012, 03:11:01 AM
I don't think our nation is capable of true justice any longer.  Society is now made up of a majority of people who feel entitled to live by their own set of rules.  They will not impose accountability on anyone else because they do not want to be held accountable of their own actions.  It is much easier to turn a blind eye to justice and continue to live as they like.

"Don't judge me and I won't judge you."


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on December 13, 2012, 08:13:57 PM
http://www.gzlegalcase.com/

Addressing Concerns About Cyber Attacks and Doxing
on 13 December 2012

We feel a responsibility to make a public, affirmative stance against any and all incidents of cyber attacks or “doxing” to anyone associated with this case, any one suspected as being associated with this case, or to anyone who contributes to the conversation about this case.
 
We have heard that some witnesses, or possible witnesses, and supporters on both sides of this case have been the victims of cyber attacks or doxing (the act of publishing personal documents about the individual on the Internet). With a case of such intense scrutiny, we are in uncharted waters regarding how the case is discussed publicly, and the online accessibility of individuals associated with the case. As the defense team, we have taken a well-documented proactive stance on how we manage our digital media presence. Our policy regarding digital media makes us particularly aware of the online conversation regarding our case, and we attempt to adjust our online presence as we see the need.
 
We first became aware of these concerns while we hosted the George Zimmerman Legal Case page on Facebook. Part of the reason we discontinued our presence on Facebook was because we were uncomfortable being in any way associated with people engaged in such practices and we refused to provide a platform where this practice could take place.
 
We understand that there may have been such actions directed at individuals who may be associated with Witness #8. In an October 19 hearing, the defense team requested a Subpoena Duces Tecum for the social media accounts of Witness #8; however, we intentionally did not disclose her name or any possible Twitter handle out of respect for her privacy. (We still have not been informed of her Twitter handles). If there is an individual who has been mistaken as Witness #8, and if this individual has been subjected to these practices, then we feel that those who knew Witness #8’s identity and therefore her Twitter handle, such as the State Attorneys Office or the handlers of the Martin family, have had many specific opportunities through social media or press conferences to publicly correct the misrepresentations and end the concerns -- an opportunity they have yet to take. We implore them to do so now, to minimize any further damage. If they know the Twitter handles are of a person unrelated to the case, why has this not been publicized?
 
We are taking this opportunity to say that we do not condone or encourage such practices; and anyone who wishes to make a beneficial contribution to this case must know that they do a considerable disservice if they engage in such practices, and we unequivocally condemn the practices mentioned above.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on December 13, 2012, 08:18:27 PM
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/12/13/trayvon_martin_memor.html

Trayvon Martin memorial items transferred to museum
Last Updated: Thursday, December 13, 2012, 5:43 PM

SANFORD --
Items from the memorial site for Trayvon Martin is now at the Historic Goldsboro Museum and Welcome Center.
 
The Sanford Museum transferred the items Thursday.
 
Frances Oliver, the curator of the museum, asked the items to be transferred to create a permanent memorial to Trayvon Martin, the teenager shot by George Zimmerman back in February.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on December 14, 2012, 07:04:29 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-nbc-judge-20121214,0,5740654.story

Judge in Zimmerman case also taking on Zimmerman v. NBC
1:17 p.m. EST, December 14, 2012

SANFORD - In three weeks, Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson, who's overseeing the George Zimmerman murder case, will inherit a new one: George Zimmerman's defamation suit against NBC Universal Media LLC.
 
Rarely is a judge asked to preside over a man's murder case and, at the same time, his suit demanding a big payout from a major media company that he accuses of defamation.
 
Mark O'Mara represents Zimmerman in both cases. In an email exchange Thursday, he wrote that he sees no conflict with Nelson handling both cases and has no current plans to ask her to give the defamation suit to another judge.

Nelson, 59, is taking over the NBC case because she's swapping jobs with another Sanford judge, Marlene Alva, a 13-year court veteran. As a consequence, come Jan. 2, Nelson will hear civil cases, those involving disputes over money and property – not crimes.
 
She'll hang onto the Zimmerman second-degree murder case, which she has set for trial in June, but will hand off her other pending criminal cases, including the perjury case against Zimmerman's wife, Shellie Zimmerman.

It will now be handled by Alva, 60.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on December 21, 2012, 09:48:02 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-bodyguard-suit-20121221,0,5700275.story

Bodyguards sue George Zimmerman, Mark O'Mara
5:05 p.m. EST, December 21, 2012

A security company has filed suit against second-degree murder defendant George Zimmerman, his wife and his attorney, Mark O'Mara, accusing them of failing to pay $27,000 for protection services.

Associated Investigative Services filed suit in state circuit court in Orange County on Friday.

According to the civil complaint, O'Mara hired the company on June 26 to "provide security services and security detail for the Zimmerman family" in anticipation of his release from jail.
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When told about the suit, O'Mara today said, "Wow. I'm very surprised that they filed suit. We've paid them over $40,000."

The company no longer provides protection to George and Shellie Zimmerman, O'Mara said, in part because it was billing them $7,000 per week at one point, an amount that he said appeared to be unwarranted.

The Zimmermans are now paying $700 a week for protection, O'Mara said.

The AIS complaint acknowledges the $40,000 paid by the defense, and also says the company warned O'Mara that the amount of security he requested was "excessive in scope."
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Blonde on December 27, 2012, 03:03:24 PM

George Zimmerman
Sued Over Bill
To Protect His A$$
t cost roughly $67,000 to keep Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman safe after his release from jail this summer -- and now, the security company that protected him from angry mobs and vigilante killers is suing him for a huge chunk of that bill.

Associated Investigative Services filed the lawsuit against Zimmerman and his attorneys, claiming they hired the firm in June to provide security "in anticipation of Mr. Zimmerman's release from incarceration while he was awaiting trial on felony criminal charges."

According to Associated, Zimmerman's lawyer faithfully paid $40,000 while the company continued to provide security services ... but then payments stopped and the bills piled up.

According to the lawsuit, Zimmerman's attorney told Associated his client could no longer afford the protection services -- partially because he still needs to pay for his defense in the upcoming second degree murder trial.
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Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/27/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-security-associative-lawsuit/#ixzz2GHfWRcJY



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: cookie on December 27, 2012, 09:25:36 PM
Do u all think that George really needs to have 24 hr protection?
I think that if someone really wants to get at George that they could. Is this going to continue, for how long? 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: sharon on December 28, 2012, 08:21:13 AM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/27/3158870/george-zimmerman-sued-over-unpaid.html

Posted on Thursday, 12.27.12
George Zimmerman sued over unpaid security bill

A private detective is suing George Zimmerman over unpaid bills for a security plan for the former Neighborhood Watch volunteer.

This was the plan to move George Zimmerman out of the Seminole County Jail and make him disappear: He would be outfitted in concealed body armor and driven away by an armed guard in a rental vehicle that had been checked to make sure no one had secretly placed a GPS tracking device on it.

He would be whisked away to a tourist resort, according to a recently-released “jail escort plan,” where he would then go into the handicapped stall of the men’s bathroom and change into a new shirt, hat and glasses.

Zimmerman, facing second-degree murder charges for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, would then walk to a different vehicle and be driven to a safe house. All the while, bodyguards would watch for paparazzi, “aerial” and “negative counter surveillance” and be on the lookout for people wanting to harm or humiliate their client.

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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 04, 2013, 04:22:01 PM
Do u all think that George really needs to have 24 hr protection?
I think that if someone really wants to get at George that they could. Is this going to continue, for how long? 

His lawyer seems to think that he and his family need the protection; they must have information that gives them great concern regarding their safety.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 04, 2013, 04:27:49 PM
http://www.wdbo.com/news/news/local/zimmerman-hearing-set-next-week-canceled/nTmmj/

Posted: 6:34 a.m. Friday, Jan. 4, 2013
Zimmerman hearing set for next week canceled

SANFORD, Fla. —
A hearing for George Zimmerman scheduled for next week has been canceled, WDBO has learned.

Attorneys on both sides have a chance to go before Judge Debra Nelson each month to air out their concerns in what are called docket soundings. This time, neither side had an issue to bring up.

“This case has enflamed passion on all sides of it and it’s dangerous,” defense attorney Mark O’Mara said.

Zimmerman remains secluded in Seminole county, despite his attorney's efforts to change that.
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The next hearing in scheduled for February 5. Zimmerman is facing murder charges in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on January 06, 2013, 05:04:43 PM
Do u all think that George really needs to have 24 hr protection?
I think that if someone really wants to get at George that they could. Is this going to continue, for how long? 

His lawyer seems to think that he and his family need the protection; they must have information that gives them great concern regarding their safety.


The owner of the security company suing GZ for payment stated he did not think GZ needed the kind of security he was requesting, that it was overkill.  24 hour protection when no one knows where he is staying?  I doubt he needs it and am a little suspicious it is more about he and O'Mara trying to play on the sympathies of the public and future jurists.  JMO.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2013, 05:17:37 PM
Do u all think that George really needs to have 24 hr protection?
I think that if someone really wants to get at George that they could. Is this going to continue, for how long? 

His lawyer seems to think that he and his family need the protection; they must have information that gives them great concern regarding their safety.


The owner of the security company suing GZ for payment stated he did not think GZ needed the kind of security he was requesting, that it was overkill.  24 hour protection when no one knows where he is staying?  I doubt he needs it and am a little suspicious it is more about he and O'Mara trying to play on the sympathies of the public and future jurists.  JMO.

Do you have a link? 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 06, 2013, 05:42:33 PM
There were threats against George Zimmerman and his family.  There was even an elderly couple that were forced to move out of their house because they received hate mail and  were harassed because of a retweet by Spike Lee that gave the couples address.  Their son Wiiliam George Zimmerman once lived at the house.  This elderly couple feared for the safety.  (it's quoted in the article)

http://www.examiner.com/article/trayvon-martin-case-anderson-cooper-new-black-panther-leader-clash
Trayvon Martin case: Anderson Cooper, New Black Panther leader clash (Photos)
March 26, 2012

SANFORD, Florida (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) – CNN’s Anderson Cooper challenged the New Black Panthers’ position that they’ve offered a $10,000 reward for the capture of Sanford, Florida neighborhood watch volunteer, George Zimmerman, who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin one month ago tonight – dead or alive.

Their mantra has been ‘an eye for an eye.’ Trayvon’s parents said Monday they don’t want an ‘eye for an eye,’ they want an arrest and justice for their son.
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The New Black Panther Group has put a bounty on George Zimmerman with a $10,000 reward for his capture, dead or alive. As disheartened and sad as Trayvon’s family is, they have made it clear they do not want this type of justice – an eye for an eye. They want true justice. They want Zimmerman arrested, they want a thorough investigation, they want justice for their son.
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Video at link

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/26/justice/florida-teen-shooting-bounty/index.html

Separatist black group stands by bounty offer for man who killed Florida teen
By the CNN Wire Staff
March 27, 2012 -- Updated 0226 GMT

(CNN) -- The separatist New Black Panther Party, described as a hate group by a civil rights organization, is standing by its $10,000 bounty offer for the capture of the man who shot Trayvon Martin, despite vehement opposition from, among others, Martin's family.

"We're here to make them do their job," organizer Mikhail Muhammad said on Monday. "We will support Trayvon's family, but we are military."
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/28/elderly-couple-forced-out-home-after-tweet-claims-killer-trayvon-miller-lives/#ixzz1qONII6KM?test=latestnews
Elderly couple forced out of home after tweet claims killer of Trayvon Martin lives there


Quote
When William Zimmerman pleaded with the man who tweeted the address, the man responded, "Black power all day. No justice, no peace" along with an obscenity.
 

And this is what happens when people refuse to look at both sides of any issue.  Innocent people are hurt.  I hope they sue every one who tweeted that addy.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/11574960-418/supporters-of-george-zimmerman-fearful-of-speaking-out.html
Supporters of George Zimmerman fearful of speaking out
By HOLBROOK MOHR and MARINA HUTCHINSON Associated Press March 28, 2012 8:34AM

Trayvon Martin’s supporters pack churches, swarm rallies and wear hooded sweat shirts in solidarity while friends and family of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who shot the unarmed teen to death, remain largely out of sight. The few who have defended Zimmerman have done so reluctantly, most fearing public backlash.
 
Zimmerman, 28, has gone into hiding. His version of what happened on the rainy night of Feb. 26 has only trickled out from police and his attorney. Zimmerman said he was pursuing the 17-year-old Martin because Martin was acting suspiciously. He said he lost sight of the teenager and Martin attacked him as he headed back to his sport utility vehicle.
 
Zimmerman told police he fired in self-defense and police did not arrest him, touching off widespread public outrage and protests across the country.
 
Martin’s supporters believe race played a role in the shooting. Martin was black; Zimmerman’s father is white and his mother is Hispanic.
 
“The family has had death threats, the father and mother, George has had death threats. Anything related to George is a target,” said Miguel Meza, who identified himself as Zimmerman’s cousin.
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And there's more.  I found these in just the first thread.  I've been reading a lot of hate and anger in regard to this case toward George Zimmerman and his family.  I'm not a security expert, therefore I couldn't say to what level they need security.  But I sure wouldn't want the Black Panthers looking from me IYKWIM.  There is so much vitrol.  Read through some of the articles and read the comments. 


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on January 06, 2013, 10:06:53 PM
http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/12/22/security-company-sues-george-zimmerman-for-27000-in-unpaid-fees/

"The AIS complaint acknowledges the $40,000 paid by the defense, and also says the company warned O’Mara that the amount of security he requested was “excessive in scope.”"


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on January 06, 2013, 10:56:16 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/27/3158870/george-zimmerman-sued-over-unpaid.html

Rumbaugh’s company put together the plan, according to the court documents. It’s not clear whether it was fully carried out. He did not return a phone call Thursday; neither did O’Mara. But the plan called for Zimmerman, his wife Shellie, other family members and at times, O’Mara to be protected by a seven-member team of bodyguards.

The guards would take eight- or 12-hour shifts and live in a room next to the Zimmermans, at a tourist-area hotel equipped with a kitchenette, records show. The agency billed Zimmerman and O’Mara for around-the-clock protection from June 29 to July 18, the invoices show.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/27/3158870/george-zimmerman-sued-over-unpaid.html#storylink=cpy

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Alot of security was provided for a lot of people (GZ's parents, wife, other family members, and attorney) at the insistence of the Zimmerman's and now they won't pay the bill for fear George won't have enough money left over to pay his defense... the same defense attorney who recieved protection.

I recall the Zimmerman's were sued twice prior to Trayvon's murder for not paying creditors, meanwhile instead of working to pay the debt owed Shellie was doing online classes and not long after dropped out.  I find it difficult to hold these people in any kind of regard.  They just refuse to pay their debts because they would rather be a 'stay at home student' or because they may eventually run out of money, not to mention lying about the funds they had to a judge.

You recieve a good or service and it's your responsibility to pay for it but apparantly the Zimmerman's feel some things should just come for free or when they decide to stop paying they can.

http://www.businessinsider.com/life-of-shellie-zimmerman-2012-6?op=1

"Not long after George and Shellie married, they found themselves in hot water financially.

Capital One accused George Zimmerman of failing to pay more than $1,000 in credit card debt, the Seattle Times reported.
 
Three years after they married, Shellie was also sued for failing to pay a credit card bill, the Orlando Sentinel reported."

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Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/life-of-shellie-zimmerman-2012-6?op=1#ixzz2HG3nLQ3s


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Amys Sister on January 06, 2013, 10:57:58 PM
Quote
Alot of security was provided for a lot of people (GZ's parents, wife, other family members, and attorney) at the insistence of the Zimmerman's and now they won't pay the bill for fear George won't have enough money left over to pay his defense... the same defense attorney who recieved protection.

I recall the Zimmerman's were sued twice prior to Trayvon's murder for not paying creditors, meanwhile instead of working to pay the debt owed Shellie was doing online classes and not long after dropped out.  I find it difficult to hold these people in any kind of regard.  They just refuse to pay their debts because they would rather be a 'stay at home student' or because they may eventually run out of money, not to mention lying about the funds they had to a judge.

You recieve a good or service and it's your responsibility to pay for it but apparantly the Zimmerman's feel some things should just come for free or when they decide to stop paying they can.


The format in my post wasn't clear.... the above is my own words and not part of either link.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 08, 2013, 04:30:10 PM
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/More-evidence-released-in-George-Zimmerman-case/-/1637132/18054108/-/jycxh6z/-/index.html

More evidence released in George Zimmerman case
Reports from investigator Chris Serino released by Zimmerman attorneys
Published On: Jan 08 2013 03:06:54 PM EST Updated On: Jan 08 2013 03:26:41 PM EST

SANFORD, Fla. -
Attorneys for George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watchman charged with shooting and killing Trayvon Martin, have released reports from the shooting's lead investigator in the case against Zimmerman.

The evidence includes reports from the lead investigator from the Sanford Police Department in the shooting, Chris Serino.

[READ: Document 1 | Document 2]
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Doc 1 link:  http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/-/18054064/data/2/-/a3vhj4z/-/Zimmerman-case-doc-1.pdf
Doc 2 link:  http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/-/18054072/data/2/-/t40yfvz/-/Zimmerman-case-doc-2.pdf



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on January 08, 2013, 10:56:31 PM
Does the state have ANY evidence that discredits GZ's accounts of what happened?

Any witnesses that said "No, it was GZ who was beating TM to a pulp?

any evidence what so ever?

and if this does go to trial, will they show the 7-11 video of TM?

and do you think that TM's "girlfriend" will be ripped to shreads by GZ's defense team.

 



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 09, 2013, 12:39:33 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-serino-changes-20130108,0,77957.story

Report: Sanford cops initially wanted Zimmerman charged with 2nd-degree murder
They downgraded that to manslaughter.
7:53 p.m. EST, January 8, 2013

On the day Sanford police turned over the Trayvon Martin shooting investigation to prosecutors, they changed their final report at least four times over five hours and downgraded the charge they recommended from second-degree murder to manslaughter, newly-released records confirmed.
 
In the first version on March 13, lead Investigator Chris Serino and his bosses recommended that George Zimmerman, the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who killed Trayvon, be charged with murder. But they changed that about four hours later, according to paperwork made public Tuesday by defense attorney Mark O'Mara.
 
The Orlando Sentinel reported those changes Dec. 12 when Special Prosecutor Angela Corey made public a list of evidence that she had just released to O'Mara. It included only a few sentences but made clear there was an initial draft plus four revisions.
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The newly-released evidence also includes a new, slightly more audible copy of a recording in which Trayvon's girlfriend describes what she heard the night of the shooting.
 
The girl, identified by officials as "witness 8," told Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump in the recording that she was on the phone just before the shooting and heard Trayvon being pursued and confronted by a man. Her account to Crump, with federal investigators listening in, largely matches what she would later tell de la Rionda in his recorded interview.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 09, 2013, 12:46:34 AM
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2013-01-08/story/angela-corey-sworn-second-term-4th-circuit-state-attorney

Angela Corey sworn into second term as 4th Circuit state attorney
Corey was re-elected after running unnopposed
Posted: January 8, 2013 - 12:09pm  |  Updated: January 8, 2013 - 12:31pm

State Attorney Angela Corey was sworn in to a second term Tuesday, heading into the pivotal stages of some of Florida’s highest-profile cases.
 
“We’ve loved our first four years in office,” Corey said after the ceremony concluded, “and we have a great team in place as we head forward in our second term.”
 
Corey said her goals for the next four years included lowering the murder rate and getting more police on the streets.
 
She said she will be asking the state Legislature for more money but intends to spend that responsibly.

Corey, who drew no opposition for re-election, has remained broadly popular in the community while also serving as a lightning rod for criticism.
 
Her decision to prosecute Cristian Fernandez as an adult for the murder of his half brother, 2-year-old David Galarraga, has drawn international attention and scrutiny. Cristian was 12 at the time of the indictment.
  ::snipping2::
Corey also is attracting attention for her prosecution of George Zimmerman, who shot Trayvon Martin in Sanford while serving on Neighborhood Watch. Corey was appointed to the case by Gov. Rick Scott after the local state attorney withdrew from the case.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 16, 2013, 12:44:54 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-trayvon-martin-school-records-20130116,0,2507461.story

George Zimmerman defense: We have Trayvon Martin's school records
11:57 a.m. EST, January 16, 2013

The legal team for George Zimmerman, the man accused of shooting and killing Trayvon Martin, has received a copy of the 17-year-old's school records.

"We are entitled to receive the school records because some information in Trayvon Martin's file could be relevant in the defense of George Zimmerman," the website for Zimmerman's legal defense said today.

The records have not been made available to the public but according to Zimmerman's legal team, portions could be revealed later.

"If any detail of the school records should be considered relevant in the course of a Self-Defense Immunity Hearing, only the parts deemed relevant to the case will be entered into evidence," the website said.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 17, 2013, 01:03:45 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-trayvon-witness-says-trayvon-on-top-20130117,0,3142019.story

Zimmerman attorneys depose witness who says Trayvon was on top, Zimmerman crying for help
12:19 p.m. EST, January 17, 2013

One of the most important defense witnesses in the George Zimmerman murder case – the one who told police he saw Trayvon Martin straddling Zimmerman and "throwing down blows on the guy kinda MMA-style," was quietly brought to the Seminole County Courthouse Dec. 11 and deposed, according to new court paperwork.

The man, identified in court records only as "witness 6," was a neighbor who told authorities he heard and saw the fight.

By identifying the clothes they wore, he told police that Zimmerman was on the bottom, was being beat up and was crying for help.
 ::snipping2::
Witness 6 was re-interviewed a few weeks after the shooting by an FDLE agent and prosecution investigators, and he backtracked, saying he was not sure who was calling for help. He also said he was no longer sure if the person on top was throwing punches or just holding down the man on the bottom. Either way, he said, the man on the bottom was trying, without success, to get up.

He was still sure, he said, who was on the bottom: the man wearing red.

That was Zimmerman.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 18, 2013, 12:34:07 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-defense-records-20130118,0,1496731.story

O'Mara releases list of defense evidence
The list of 15 items does not appear to include any blockbusters.
11:15 a.m. EST, January 18, 2013

George Zimmerman's attorneys today gave official notice to prosecutors of some of the evidence they plan to use.

Their list includes 15 new items. None appears to be a blockbuster. Instead, the list is mostly police and FDLE records that appear to be the equivalent of fine print, for example a subpoena request by a FDLE agent for Trayvon Martin's phone records; a letter former State Attorney Norm Wolfinger wrote to FDLE, asking its help; a crime line report about a potential 8-year-old witness for whom authorities searched but could not find; Sanford police records on calls for help from Zimmerman's neighborhood; and police and FDLE evidence property receipts.

The list also includes four pieces of video, three of them surveillance video from retail stores, parking lots or apartments. It's not clear what their evidentiary value is.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 18, 2013, 06:52:07 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-defense-records-20130118,0,1496731.story

Zimmerman attorneys: We want ABC News notes, audio
The issue is what Trayvon Martin's girlfriend told their staffers.
5:14 p.m. EST, January 18, 2013

George Zimmerman's attorneys on Friday asked a judge to order ABC News and reporter Matt Gutman to surrender all their recordings, notes and correspondence related to one of the most important witnesses in the murder case against their client, Trayvon Martin's girlfriend.

She says she was on the phone with the Miami Gardens 17-year-old when he and Zimmerman came face to face moments before Trayvon was shot Feb. 26.

ABC aired an audio interview with the young woman March 20 during which she said Trayvon told her he was being followed by a strange man and was frightened. She heard Trayvon ask the man, "What are you following me for?" A short time later, the phone went dead, she said.

O'Mara's four-page motion says the call lasted more than 26 minutes but that the recording provided by authorities is only 12:44.

Wrote O'Mara, "It's is apparent from a review of the tape that there are several 'starts' and 'stops' and other obvious edit indicators."
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 22, 2013, 12:17:07 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-depos-20130122,0,3166456.story

Zimmerman attorneys depose pro-Trayvon witnesses
11:44 a.m. EST, January 22, 2013

George Zimmerman's attorneys have deposed a key state witnesses, Mary Cutcher, who didn't see Zimmerman kill teenager Trayvon Martin but told authorities she heard the gunshot then saw a man standing over Trayvon Martin's body, straddling it and appearing to press down on him.

In the days after the shooting. Cutcher became an outspoken critic of the Sanford Police Department for not immediately arresting Zimmerman and for not taking her seriously or keeping appointments.
 ::snipping2::
According to court paperwork recently released, Cutcher and three other witnesses were deposed Wednesday by defense attorneys. The others include Selma Mora, her roommate whose account is similar to Cutcher's, and two other people who also called 911 that night.
 ::snipping2::
Both women in media interviews said Zimmerman seemed nonchalant after the shooting.

Although Cutcher advocated for Zimmerman's arrest, Sanford's lead investigator, Chris Serino, said portions of her account bolstered Zimmerman's self-defense claim.

Zimmerman said Trayvon had pinned him to the ground and was pounding his head into a sidewalk when he shot the 17-year-old.

After the gunshot, Zimmerman said he climbed on top of Trayvon and pinned the teenager's hands to the ground because he feared the high school junior might do him harm.



Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 24, 2013, 12:16:33 AM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-shellie-zimmerman-special-prosecutor-20130123,0,5005620.story

Special prosecutor: I have jurisdiction to charge Shellie Zimmerman
A hearing on the defendant's motion to dismiss is Feb. 19.
12:30 p.m. EST, January 23, 2013

SANFORD - The special prosecutor in the Trayvon Martin murder case argues that her office does have jurisdiction to put the defendant's wife, Shellie Zimmerman, on trial for perjury because the governor last month issued a new executive order expressly saying so.
 ::snipping2::
Defense attorney Kelly Sims in November asked a judge to throw out the perjury charge, saying Corey's office didn't have jurisdiction to file it. Corey serves Duval, Clay and Nassau counties, and Shellie Zimmerman was in Seminole County when she testified at that bond hearing. That means the local State Attorney, Norm Wolfinger, had jurisdiction – not Corey – Sims argued in court paperwork.
 
But Corey's office filed paperwork, made public today, countering that argument.
 
Last month, Gov. Rick Scott renewed Corey's appointment as special prosecutor in the Trayvon Martin case, and this time, the order expressly spelled out that Corey's assignment included "the cases filed against George Zimmerman and Shellie Zimmerman."
 
Corey's lead prosecutor in the perjury case, John I. Guy, wrote that even without the new order, Corey has jurisdiction because Scott's original executive order charged her to investigate "all matters pertaining to the death of Trayvon Martin."
 ::snipping2::
Circuit Judge Marlene Alva will decide the jurisdiction argument in the Shellie Zimmerman case. She's scheduled a hearing Feb. 19.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 24, 2013, 04:00:46 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-witness18-20130124,0,2965144.story

Zimmerman attorneys depose witness who told police she saw 'heavier man on top'
11:56 a.m. EST, January 24, 2013

Attorneys for George Zimmerman yesterday deposed a woman who told Sanford police the night Trayvon Martin was shot she saw two figures fighting, "a heavier man on top."
 
Zimmerman outweighed the Miami Gardens 17-year-old by 45 pounds, according to prosecution records.
 
Defense attorneys have begun the long work of taking sworn statements from witnesses in the case. Paperwork released today by defense attorney Mark O'Mara's office show that yesterday, they took the deposition of a woman who called 911 the night of the shooting.

She is identified only by number, "witness 18." It's not clear what she told attorneys yesterday but when interviewed by Sanford police Feb. 26, the night of the shooting, she said she heard loud voices outside her window then heard them quiet, but they got loud again.
 
She could not see clearly, she said, but made out "two men on the ground … a heavier man on top."

"Then I heard someone desperately saying, 'Help, help.' " she said and called 911.
 
She heard "a pop," she said, "I heard it more than once."
 
According to prosecution records, Zimmerman fired once.
 
After that, the woman said she saw a "larger man" standing over the other, who was still on the ground.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 29, 2013, 08:09:22 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-lawsuit-omara-answer-20130129,0,7856943.story

George Zimmerman attorney responds to security firm's lawsuit
11:13 a.m. EST, January 29, 2013

 ::snipping2::
The lawsuit names O'Mara, George Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie. In his answer, O'Mara denies the large majority of the facts stated in the lawsuit.

He does, however, admit several allegations:

• That he told AIS in August that "both George and the trustee [overseeing his defense fund] are clamping down" because "we have some very large expenses for the case coming up."

O'Mara also said "George does not have any funds presently available to him to attend to any such debt, realizing the enormity of upcoming expenses of the defense and the diminished nature of the defense fund."

• That AIS was "unable to obtain either a signed written retainer" with O'Mara, or the "outstanding balance on the services rendered."

• That no payments have been made to AIS by O'Mara since August.

AIS provided security for a court hearing June 29, the civil complaint says, and the arrangement evolved into "nearly constant" watch on Zimmerman's family.

The company's invoices, attached to the suit, show that it billed Zimmerman and O'Mara $66,000 for 21 days of protection, an average of more than $3,100 a day.

O'Mara said after the suit was filed that he had paid the company $40,000, that its charges appeared exorbitant and that he had never signed a contract.

AIS argues O'Mara was bound by an oral contract.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 30, 2013, 04:36:52 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-defense-fund-update-20130131,0,2645095.story

O'Mara: We've spent $300,000 on George Zimmerman and are desperate for more donations
January 31, 2013

Defense attorney Mark O'Mara today said that he and client George Zimmerman have spent their way through more than $300,000 in donations and are desperate for more funds.

"The case is out of money," he said.

Zimmerman's defense fund has raised $314,099.17, O'Mara disclosed, but its balance is currently less than $5,000.

The defense cannot finish preparing for trial, for example hire needed audio and gun experts and private investigators, without more cash, he said. He and Zimmerman need about $30,000 a month, according to his website.

O'Mara unveiled a revamped defense fund website today, explaining where all that money has gone.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 30, 2013, 04:44:11 PM
http://www.gzdefensefund.com/donate/

Wednesday, 30 January 2013
Zimmerman Legal Defense Fund Trust

“The sad fact is if you don’t have money, you cannot defend yourself. God bless and good luck.”
 
The message above was accompanied with a $40 donation to the Zimmerman Legal Defense Fund Trust, and it is a true statement.
 
The State has virtually unlimited resources to prosecute George. To finance his defense, however, George relies on the generosity of individuals who believe he is innocent. These are people who question the motives behind the charge against George. These are people who resent the high-profile rush to judgement against George. These are people who fear George will not get a fair trial.
 
George is innocent -- yet he has been convicted in the court of public opinion. The defense team has been doggedly committed to the vigorous defense of George Zimmerman, and remains committed despite the personal and financial sacrifice that has been required. We will see this through to the end, and we will not be satisfied until we see justice served in the form of immunity or an acquittal, and we will not stop unitl the wrongs against George have been set right.
 
In this effort, we need your help.
 
The State of the Defense Fund
As of January 2, 2013, the George Zimmerman Defense Fund has received $314,099.17. We are amazed by the thousands of people who have donated what they could to ensure George gets a fair trial.
 
But we have a long way to go. When Mark O’Mara accepted the Zimmerman case, he, along with many other legal analysts, predicted the defense would cost more than $1,000,000. The defense has moved forward on a shoestring budget, relying on individuals who have been willing to work for free or at a substantially reduced rate. To date, attorneys Mark O’Mara and Don West have not been paid for their services.
 
George’s trial has been set for June of 2013. A Self-Defense Immunity Hearing is likely to happen two months before then. For the defense team, the hardest work lies ahead, including significant expenses for experts and investigators. Currently, thanks to donors who continue to keep George in their prayers, enough money has been coming in to satisfy the bare minimum required to keep the defense afloat. We’ve come close to a zero balance on many occasions, and there is no guarantee donations will continue.
 
Our Fundraising Goal
As we prepare for an Self-Defense Immunity Hearing or a trial, the cold fact is that we must raise more money. Our goal is to raise $30,000 per month. This represents the minimum we calculate we need to conduct the defense George deserves, and this figure does not include any attorney's fees.
 
Because we are asking you to donate more money, we want to tell you how your donations have been spent and how we plan to spend future donations. That’s what this website is for. Here’s what you are going to find as you explore this site:
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 30, 2013, 04:48:13 PM
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/1/30/george_zimmermans_at.html

Zimmerman team may seek delay of trial, indigence
Last Updated: Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 3:32 PM

SANFORD --
Financial times are tough for George Zimmerman, according to his lawyer.
 
On top of that, defense attorney Mark O'Mara said his team may have to ask for a delay of trial.
 
Wednesday, O'Mara said his case may need an extra six months until it's ready. He said problems with discovery are slowing down the process.
 
O'Mara said Zimmerman was almost completely out of cash, and unless donations flow in to a newly launched website, he will have to take drastic measures and declare Zimmerman indigent.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 30, 2013, 11:14:56 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-continuance-20130130,0,6223495.story

George Zimmerman asks judge for trial delay
6:06 p.m. EST, January 30, 2013

George Zimmerman's defense attorney Mark O'Mara filed a motion in his second-degree murder case on Wednesday, asking a judge to delay his trial in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, currently set for June.

The basis for the new motion is a series of issues and delays in gathering evidence and conducting depositions, and the defense filing lays much of the blame for the delay at the state's feet. Among O'Mara's arguments:

•The state delayed substantially in providing the defense a quality, color photo of George Zimmerman's facial injuries taken at the shooting scene. Prosecutors initially provided a black-and-white photocopy in May, O'Mara says, then a color photocopy in August and finally a digital copy in October, but only after repeated requests and a judge's direction.

•The state still has not provided a complete and fully intelligible recording of a Martin family attorney's interview with a girl who says she was on the phone with Trayvon moments before the shooting, O'Mara says.

•O'Mara writes that Trayvon's cell phone has changed hands between law enforcement agencies repeatedly for analysis, and a full record what's been gleaned from the device has not been given to the defense.
 ::snipping2::
Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson is expected to hear argument on the delay request and other pending motions on Tuesday.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on January 30, 2013, 11:20:59 PM
Video at link

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/George-Zimmerman-defense-releases-new-Trayvon-Martin-picture/-/1637132/18342886/-/kcxvmpz/-/index.html

George Zimmerman defense releases new Trayvon Martin picture
Mark O'Mara files motion to delay trial, preparing for 'self-defense immunity' hearing
Published On: Jan 30 2013 05:11:26 PM EST Updated On: Jan 30 2013 07:47:05 PM EST

ORLANDO, Fla. -
The attorney for George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watchman charged with shooting and killing Trayvon Martin, has released what the defense says is a new picture of 17-year-old Martin as part of discovery on Wednesday.

Attorney Mark O'Mara told Local 6 that Martin's father, Tracy Martin, provided what the defense team says is a much more accurate picture of his son to Sanford Police Department on Feb. 27, 2012 -- the day after the shooting.

O'Mara says his defense team believes that the picture Martin's family provided to the media, depicting a younger Trayvon Martin, is unfair to Zimmerman. O'Mara says many in the public still view Martin as a young boy because of one of the first pictures released of him.

The defense says Zimmerman was ambushed by a much older-looking teen and that the public should be aware of that.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: iluvmua on January 31, 2013, 02:09:56 PM
What a Surprise, NOT. come to find out, Dee Dee was 18, not 16 like Crump said on the day of the shooting.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-trayvon-cell-phone-new-tests-20130131,0,4945051.story

O'Mara's motion also complains about prosecutors not providing him information about the young woman who says she was on the phone with Trayvon, a Miami Gardens 17-year-old, in the moments just before the shooting.

She was 18 years old that day – not 16 as Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump identified her – O'Mara said, and prosecutors have not provided enough information about her to allow him to subpoena her Twitter and Facebook records.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on January 31, 2013, 09:44:43 PM
Motion for Specific Discovery
Filed 1/31/13
(Edit-fixed date. MB)

http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/0113/motion_for_specific_disc.pdf


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on January 31, 2013, 11:08:26 PM
I did it again, Muffy..date should read 2013. So sorry~ ::bee::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 31, 2013, 11:12:21 PM
I did it again, Muffy..date should read 2013. So sorry~ ::bee::

I've fixed it Toler, no worries.   ::bananadance::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Toler on February 01, 2013, 01:47:02 PM
State: Don't delay George Zimmerman murder trial
Defense fund donors respond, quickly pump in $5,200.
By Arelis R. Hernández and Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
12:33 p.m. EST, February 1, 2013

Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda today objected to a delay in George Zimmerman's trial, accusing defense attorney Mark O'Mara of spending too much time on media interviews and suggesting that O'Mara may be stalling because he's out of money.

O'Mara on Tuesday filed paperwork, asking Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson to delay Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial, which is currently set for June 10.

The same day, he announced that he and Zimmerman had spent their way through more than $300,000 in donations and desperately needed more.

That plea generated a quick $5,200 infusion, the defense fund's website reported today.
O'Mara appears to want the trial pushed back to November, de la Rionda wrote, but deserves no additional time.

The state has done nothing in violation of Florida's rules of criminal procedures, de la Rionda wrote, and he's done far more to help O'Mara round up witnesses and evidence than he normally does.

O'Mara is the reason for the delay, de la Rionda wrote. The defense attorney has been slow to schedule depositions and sometimes cancels them at the last minute, de la Rionda said.

O'Mara has made it clear that he wants to investigate witnesses before he deposes them, something that slows the process.

For example, before he deposes her, he plans to review the Twitter and Facebook posts of a young Miami woman who says she was on the phone with Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black 17-year-old killed by Zimmerman when they came face to face.

That could mean a delay of several months while O'Mara pushes those two social networking sites for access to her account information.

The judge will hear both sides present argument for and against a trial delay on Tuesday.

De la Rionda today filed his written response to O'Mara's request for a trial delay: ::snipping2::

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-defense-fund-20130201,0,7622671.story?track=rss


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 01, 2013, 02:08:39 PM
http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/new-clues-found-on-trayvons-phone/?cat_orig=us

New clues found on Trayvon's phone
Satellite-tracking info shows teen's movements prior to shooting
Published: 2 hours ago

(ORLNew court paperwork reveals that prosecutors have unlocked a great deal more information from Trayvon Martin‘s cellphone, including satellite-tracking information that shows where it was in the days leading up to his shooting.
 
But if it also lays out the teenager’s movements Feb. 26 — the day Trayvon was shot and killed by George Zimmerman — prosecutors have not released that to defense attorneys.
Read more...


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 04, 2013, 09:58:45 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2013/02/george-zimmerman-news-13-to-carry-tuesday-hearing.html

George Zimmerman: News 13 to carry Tuesday hearing
Central Florida News 13, George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin — posted by halboedeker on February, 4 2013 6:14 PM

The George Zimmerman hearing on Tuesday will be carried live on Central Florida News 13.
 
The hearing is set to start at 9 a.m. Orlando attorney Mark NeJame will be in the News 13 studio to provide analysis.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 05, 2013, 08:26:09 AM
Tweet:  February 4, 2013
https://twitter.com/marknejame (https://twitter.com/marknejame)

8h Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame
I'll be live @CFN13 from 9 until 11 tomorrow covering #georgezimmerman #trayvonmartin hearing. Will the judge grant continuance?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: Puzzler on February 05, 2013, 10:40:41 AM
The judge did NOT grant a continuance.


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: MuffyBee on February 05, 2013, 11:00:57 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-evidence-squabble-20130205,0,299770.story
Judge denies George Zimmerman's request to delay trial
February 5, 2013

SANFORD – A judge has denied George Zimmerman's request to delay his trial in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

The trial remains set for June 10. Circuit Judge Debra Nelson issued her ruling during an often heated one-hour hearing this morning.
 ::snipping2::
The day's events began in front of the Seminole County Courthouse with family members and supporters singing "Happy Birthday" to Trayvon, who would have turned 18 today.

The legal arguments began at 9 a.m. Defense attorney Mark O'Mara acknowledged the teen's birthday at the start of the hearing, stating that "no matter what, a tragedy occurred."


Next up, O'Mara asked the judge to grant the defense access to purchase records from a 7-Eleven where Trayvon shopped the night of the shooting. The state did not object, and the judge granted the motion.

O'Mara also wanted Zimmerman's trial delayed. O'Mara had argued in a lengthy motion that there's much work left to be done, and many depositions to conduct. The defense, he said, has had to fight the state for key evidence, and can't possibly be ready by June.

"The only additional argument is I need more time," O'Mara said in court today.

Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda countered that O'Mara doesn't deserve any more time.

"It's February and the trial's set for June," he said, adding that some delays that have happened so far have been the defense's fault.

"Sometimes we set aside days of depositions, and they're canceled.. that's frustrating," de la Rionda said.

The judge noted that both parties had earlier estimated they would be ready by June. O'Mara's issues, Nelson said, don't appear to be "insurmountable."

The parties then moved on to other pieces of evidence O'Mara argues he needs.

The attorneys argued about data downloaded from Trayvon's phone. O'Mara has said there's information the state is withholding.

Nelson told the state to provide a full chain of custody report for the phone, indicating which tests were conducted where.

O'Mara also asked the judge to order the state to provide further information on the social media accounts of Witness 8.

She's expected to be one of the state's most important witnesses because she says she heard the first words of the confrontation between Trayvon and Zimmerman.

The judge ruled that the defense can get the social media information through a "mini" deposition, before the witness is formally deposed.

The defense also wanted to depose Benjamin Crump, an attorney for the Martin family. However, Crump's attorney, Bruce Blackwell, countered that the deposition was improper -- Crump, Blackwell said, is not a witness in the case.

Rather, Crump filed a 15-page affidavit, explaining how he found Witness 8 and the circumstances of his interview with the girl. Blackwell argued that should be enough.

The defense argued that Crump has relevant information on other topics, and asked to depose him. The judge delayed that deposition, which had been set for today.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 06, 2013, 02:31:54 AM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2013/02/george-zimmerman-analysts-see-gutsy-artful-moves.html

George Zimmerman: Analysts see ‘gutsy,’ ‘artful’ moves
Central Florida News 13, George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin, WESH, WFTV, WKMG, WOFL — posted by halboedeker on February, 5 2013 12:52 PM

 ::snipping2::
Kealing added that the defense team “suffered another defeat in their hopes of deposing the attorney for Travyon Martin’s family, Ben Crump.”
 
The defense wants to ask Crump about his questioning of Witness 8, Martin’s girlfriend who says she was on the phone talking with Martin before the deadly confrontation with Zimmerman a year ago.
 
WKMG-Channel 6’s Mike DeForest described an affidavit that Crump’s lawyer filed with the court. “It explains how he [Crump] located the girl by looking at Trayvon Martin’s cell phone records and then when he interviewed her, she refused to meet with authorities,” DeForest said. “[She] wouldn’t even meet with Crump in person. He says he had to do the interview with her over the phone, a conversation that was recorded.”
 
Mark NeJame, legal analyst for Central Florida News 13, said he was surprised that Crump brought in an attorney, Bruce Blackwell. NeJame described Blackwell as good, renowned and respected.  NeJame called Blackwell’s affidavit an “artful” move to stop and block the Crump deposition, which had been scheduled for Tuesday.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 07, 2013, 02:37:06 AM
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/02/06/attorney-zimmermans-stand-your-ground-hearing-set-april

Defense: 'Stand Your Ground' hearing in April
updated 4:43 PM EST, Wed February 06, 2013

George Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara told In Session correspondent Jean Casarez on Wednesday that his client’s “Stand Your Ground” hearing is set for April 22.
 
Zimmerman claims he shot Martin in self-defense, and Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law could allow him to avoid criminal and possibly even civil liability for killing Trayvon Martin.
 
At the hearing, Zimmerman’s attorneys will have to convince Judge Debra Nelson of three things:
 •Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity.
 •Zimmerman was being attacked in a place he had a right to be.
 •Zimmerman had the reasonable belief that his life and his safety were in danger as a result of an overt act or perceived threat committed by Martin
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 08, 2013, 01:25:06 AM
http://www.myfoxla.com/story/21019027/murder-suspect-chris-dorners-online-manifesto-about-slayings

READ: Murder Suspect Chris Dorner's Online Manifesto
Posted: Feb 07, 2013 1:59 AM CSTUpdated: Feb 07, 2013 9:06 PM CST

 ::snipping2::
If you continuously followed me while I was walking at dusk/night I would confront you as well. Too bad Trayvon , didn't smash your skull completely open, Zim. While Trayvon's body erodes to bones 6 feet under, Zimmerman has put on no less than 40 pounds while out on bail. Z, , immerman was arrested for battery on a Peace officer and avoided jail/prison because he completed a diversion program. Thats a history of being an a**hole. Zimmerman couldn't get hired by a LE agency because of poor credit/and a history of violence/restraining orders with women. So what does he do? Designate himself, neighborhood watch captain and make complaints to his city council about the horrible work ethic and laziness of the officers patrolling his neighborhood. Good one Zim. How classy that your father attempts to use his veterans status "disabled veteran" during your bail hearing but doesn't state what his disability percentage is. Prior service personnel know it can be 5% disability to 100%. You and your attorneys always avoid mentioning your fathers occupation as a magistrate/judge because I'm sure he's utilized his position to get you out of way more jams then the public has discovered and that your family is not indigent. Oh, tell your wife to stop perjuring herself in court.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 08, 2013, 08:49:31 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2013/02/george-zimmerman-wkmg-adds-forensic-consultant.html

George Zimmerman: WKMG adds forensic consultant
CBS, George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin, WKMG — posted by halboedeker on February, 8 2013 4:20 PM

Two Friday reports by WKMG-Channel 6’s Tony Pipitone will introduce a forensic consultant who will be a regular during the CBS affiliate’s coverage of the George Zimmerman trial.
 
Michael Knox has written “Intermediate Range: The Forensic Evidence in the Killing of Trayvon Martin,” a self-published book. Pipitone’s reports, at 6 and 11 p.m., lean heavily on Knox’s work.
 
The 6 p.m. report offers a timeline of the movements by Martin and Zimmerman on Feb. 26, the night Zimmerman fatally shot the teen in Sanford. The 11 p.m. report focuses on forensics to explain  the wound evidence. Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in Martin’s death, and the trial will begin in June.
 
“The 6 o’clock piece casts doubt on Zimmerman’s account, but the 11 o’clock supports Zimmerman’s account of the crucial moment when he fired the shot,” Pipitone said.
 
Of the 11 p.m. report, Pipitone added, “We’re not saying it’s a scientific re-creation. It’s to visualize what stippling and cloth and gunshots produce when they come together.”
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What does Pipitone want viewers to take away from the reports?
 
“They should wait for facts and evidence to be produced before jumping to any conclusions,” he said.
 
With the timeline, he added, “You see Trayvon could have gotten back to the house, had he gone to the house. And you see George could have gotten back to the truck, had he gone back to the truck. There’s up to 2 minutes and 32 seconds where neither did what they could have done.”


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Post by: Amys Sister on February 09, 2013, 03:02:15 AM
Edit to add link back to your quote.  MB
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2013/02/george-zimmerman-wkmg-adds-forensic-consultant.html
George Zimmerman: WKMG adds forensic consultant
CBS, George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin, WKMG — posted by halboedeker on February, 8 2013 4:20 PM


quote: With the timeline, he added, “You see Trayvon could have gotten back to the house, had he gone to the house. And you see George could have gotten back to the truck, had he gone back to the truck. There’s up to 2 minutes and 32 seconds where neither did what they could have done.”....


If someone hunts you down in the dark hours and pulls aside their shirt to show you their gun then tells you to stay put are you going to turn your back on them to walk home?

 










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Post by: sharon on February 09, 2013, 09:07:06 AM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/02/06/3221170/jamie-foxx-cedric-the-entertainer.html#storylink=misearch

Posted on Wednesday, 02.06.13

Jamie Foxx, Cedric the Entertainer to attend Trayvon Martin peace walk, family attorneys say

Orlando Sentinel

An Academy Award-winning actor and a famed stand-up comedian will attend a weekend event in Miami in remembrance of Trayvon Martin, a law firm representing the slain teen’s family has announced.

The Tallahassee-based Parks & Crump firm announced that Jamie Foxx and Cedric the Entertainer will attend the Day of Remembrance Community Peace Walk and Forum, which is being hosted by a foundation created by the teen’s parents.

The event, to start at 10 a.m. Saturday at Ives Estates Park on Northeast 16th Avenue north of Ives Dairy Road in North Miami-Dade, will focus on “motivating youth on peaceful conflict resolutions instead of gun violence,” the firm said in a statement. Sunday evening, the foundation plans to hold a remembrance dinner at the DoubleTree Miami Airport Hotel’s convention center.

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Post by: MuffyBee on February 09, 2013, 05:16:50 PM
Edit to add link back to your quote.  MB
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2013/02/george-zimmerman-wkmg-adds-forensic-consultant.html
George Zimmerman: WKMG adds forensic consultant
CBS, George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin, WKMG — posted by halboedeker on February, 8 2013 4:20 PM


quote: With the timeline, he added, “You see Trayvon could have gotten back to the house, had he gone to the house. And you see George could have gotten back to the truck, had he gone back to the truck. There’s up to 2 minutes and 32 seconds where neither did what they could have done.”....


If someone hunts you down in the dark hours and pulls aside their shirt to show you their gun then tells you to stay put are you going to turn your back on them to walk home?



 










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Amys Sister, has this proven to be true and you can provide me a link back to it, or is it a theory?  I don't remember seeing anything at this point that shows we could know that.  I'm asking because there have been so many theories and  falsehoods from both sides, I feel it will take sitting through a trial to begin to see truth, and even then, we may never really know what was said and done.  From the same article you've quoted from:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2013/02/george-zimmerman-wkmg-adds-forensic-consultant.html
George Zimmerman: WKMG adds forensic consultant
CBS, George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin, WKMG — posted by halboedeker on February, 8 2013 4:20 PM
(self edit to add link-MB)


Quote
What does Pipitone want viewers to take away from the reports?

“They should wait for facts and evidence to be produced before jumping to any conclusions,” he said.
 

I agree.  JMHO


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Post by: sharon on February 10, 2013, 08:02:31 AM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/02/09/3225648/walk-held-in-honor-of-trayvon.html#storylink=misearch

Posted on Saturday, 02.09.13

Walk held in honor of Trayvon Martin attracts hundreds including actor Jamie Foxx
 
Jamie Foxx united with Trayvon Martin’s family for a community peace walk to honor the slain teen and keep alive his supporters’ fight for justice.


By Ina Paiva Cordle
icordle@MiamiHerald.com

Saturday was a day of remembrance for Trayvon Martin, as about a thousand people — including actor Jamie Foxx — united with the late teen’s family to march, pray, listen to music and hear inspirational messages, while pressing for justice in his killing.

The Trayvon Martin Foundation sponsored the “I am Trayvon Day of Remembrance Community Peace Walk,” to honor the unarmed Miami Gardens teen fatally shot in Sanford on Feb. 26 of last year by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman.

“We’re here to let the community, and particularly teenagers, know that they have the right to walk in peace without being followed, without being harmed and without being killed,” Trayvon’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, told The Miami Herald at the start of the event at Ives Estate Park at 20901 NE 16th Ave. in north Miami-Dade. She said the walk would be held annually.

Fulton, Trayvon’s father Tracy and brother Jahvaris held up a huge banner and marched through the park as the crowd trailed them, chanting “I am Trayvon Martin.” Many wore T-shirts emblazoned with Trayvon’s picture, as the line snaked toward a band shell.

Last Tuesday would have been Trayvon’s 18th birthday, which has inspired a series of activities all week in his honor, including a dinner Sunday night.

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Post by: grace-land on February 12, 2013, 10:13:11 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-trayvons-voice-20130212,0,6070508.story

Defense lawyers seek Trayvon's voice recordings from girlfriend
8:08 p.m. EST, February 12, 2013

George Zimmerman's attorneys Monday asked for a new piece of evidence — all the recordings of Trayvon Martin's voice in the possession of a young Miami woman who was on the phone with him just before he was killed.

Defense attorney Mark O'Mara has described the 18-year-old woman, identified as "witness 8," as the state's most important witness.

That's because she's told authorities that she was on the phone with Trayvon several times the day he was shot, heard him say a strange man was following him, heard him say he was afraid and then heard them exchange a few words.

In an earlier interview recorded by an attorney for Trayvon's family and ABC News, she said she heard Trayvon ask the man, "What are you following me for?" And she said she heard the man say, "What are you doing around here?"

Then the phone went dead, she said.

The new request asks Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson to require the woman, sometimes identified as Trayvon's girlfriend, to surrender to O'Mara all recordings of Trayvon's voice from 2010, 2011 and 2012.

It was not immediately clear whether prosecutors would object.
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Post by: grace-land on February 13, 2013, 01:51:55 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-crump-20130213,0,5979916.story

Zimmerman's attorneys: Make Ben Crump sit down and answer questions
12:42 p.m. EST, February 13, 2013

George Zimmerman's lawyers have asked a judge to require Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Trayvon Martin's family, to answer questions under oath, despite a 15-page affidavit he filed last week, hoping to avoid that face-to-face exchange.

In paperwork made public today, defense attorney Donald West asked Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson to again order Crump to appear for a deposition and answer questions about an interview he conducted of the state's most important witness, a young woman who spoke to Trayvon moments before he was shot.

In a separate development, attorneys in the case have set a hastily-scheduled hearing for 4 p.m. tomorrow to discuss whether Zimmerman's "stand your ground" hearing, at which he's expected to ask for immunity, should be delayed.

In October the judge ordered that it be concluded by April 26 and that Zimmerman stand trial on June 10. At a hearing last week, defense attorney Mark O'Mara argued that he needed more time, but the judge said no to his request for a trial delay.

At tomorrow's hearing, which the defendant will not attend, it's expected that O'Mara will ask for a delay in the "stand your ground" hearing. In paperwork filed yesterday, the defense attorney asked to discuss its timing.

As for Crump, at an Oct. 19 hearing, the judge ordered him to answer a very limited number of questions about a recorded interview he made of a young Miami woman who was on the phone with Trayvon just before he was killed.

The judge directed Crump to list who was present for that interview, which took place March 19 in a Miami-area home, and she told him to provide Zimmerman's lawyers with a clearer copy of the recording.

Crump had been scheduled for deposition Feb. 5, but at a hearing that morning, the judge postponed it indefinitely to give her and attorneys time to read the just-filed affidavit.

In it, Crump gives the names of many of the people who were present when the call was recorded but not all. His affidavit says he had earlier disclosed a complete list of those present to defense attorneys.

His affidavit also offers an explanation about why the quality of the recording was so poor.

The young woman was not in the room; she was on the other end of a cell phone call; she was on "speaker phone"; and Crump had a bad connection and kept switching cell phones, according to his affidavit.

Crump attorney Bruce Blackwell said on Feb. 5 that he would not produce Crump for a deposition without a court order.

Yesterday, West filed a motion, asking for that order.

"Mr. Crump's lengthy and often detailed affidavit illustrates that Mr. Crump does have information relevant to the offense charged and is therefore subject to the rule governing depositions of unlisted witnesses," West wrote.
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Post by: grace-land on February 14, 2013, 05:53:59 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-scheduling-conference-20130214,0,3996028.story

Judge denies George Zimmerman's request to delay 'stand your ground' hearing
Judge says the hearing will be April 22
4:33 p.m. EST, February 14, 2013

Circuit Judge Debra Nelson today rejected George Zimmerman's request to delay the start of his "stand your ground" hearing, saying that it will start April 22.

She also ordered 500 potential jurors, more than the Seminole County Courthouse can hold, for Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial.
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Post by: jamcakes on February 16, 2013, 12:50:19 AM
http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2013/20130215004-trayvon-anti.html?A=1

Trayvon Martin Honored With Anti-Racism Award


02/15/13

A college has created an anti-racism award in Trayvon Martin's name.

From Conservative Daily News:

    Trayvon Martin, the teen shot and killed in 2012 during a fight with a neighborhood watch member, is being honored posthumously by Providence College.

    Ignoring the absolute dearth of evidence indicating his alleged killer – also a minority – was motivated in any way by race, the college announced the creation of the Trayvon Martin Award for Social Justice.

    According to the school, one student and one staff member will receive the award for a perceived dedication to fighting racism.

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 and this award was created before the facts of the case had been presented at trial.

    None of that mattered to Dr. Julia Jordan-Zachery, who spearheaded the award project.

    She has often referenced the Trayvon Martin case on social media and in weblog postings and said in a recent interview she has no doubt racism was behind the murder.



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Post by: grace-land on February 17, 2013, 07:36:38 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2013/02/george-zimmerman-brother-says-sanfords-history-adds-to-furor.html

George Zimmerman: Brother says Sanford’s history adds to furor
Bill Maher, George Zimmerman, Real Time With Bill Maher, Trayvon Martin — posted by halboedeker on February, 16 2013 7:40 AM

Sanford’s history figures prominently in George Zimmerman’s case, his brother tells Bill Maher.
 
“The reality of Sanford, Florida, is that it is a high-crime area,” Robert Zimmerman Jr. said on HBO’s “Real Time With Bill Maher” Friday night. “And sometimes it’s not only race is a factor, but the geography is a factor. And what was going on in the police department historically, why people came to the conclusion that this was being covered up, and they were covering up the white man’s actions. Well, George, isn’t white, and he’ll never be white. Well, that certainly was an element at the time.”
 
The low-key interview allowed Robert Zimmerman to blast media reports that his brother is prejudiced. ”There really was no storyline to this racism, there was no evidence for it,” he said. “The media just made up his race and made up something he had said.”   
 
George Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26 in Sanford. The trial is scheduled to start in June. Zimmerman has claimed self-defense in the shooting.
 
“George knew one thing: He knew that he had never seen this person before,” his brother told Maher. “He knew that it was suspicious and warranted investigation by the police. Unfortunately, he got in this situation, and I’ve been in this situation, where you kind of wind up being the eyes and ears of the police on the ground.”
 
Robert Zimmerman added that his brother wasn’t a racist but ”he had a problem with crime and that community was victimized constantly by crime.”
 
The brother said that stand your ground is not a factor in his brother’s defense. Robert Zimmerman said you can’t retreat when someone is sitting on you and hitting your head on concrete, as George has claimed Trayvon was doing to him.
 
But Maher said Zimmerman’s brother couldn’t be objective on that point. “Without the gun involved, wouldn’t it have been just a guy who lost a fight?” Maher asked, drawing the studio audience’s applause.
 
“It wasn’t 90210. It was Sanford, Florida,” the brother said
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Maher said that Robert seemed gentle and nothing like George. In a lighter moment, Robert said he had his own scrapes with the law, but declined to offer specifics. “Oh, Bill, I’m not on the stand,” he said. “I plead the Fifth.”
 
In the end, Maher was impressed by Robert Zimmerman. “You’re a good spokesman.You’ve got a future in this industry,” Maher said.


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Post by: grace-land on February 20, 2013, 01:36:29 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-shellie-zimmerman-dismissal-hearing-20130219,0,2485508.story

Judge: Corey has authority to prosecute Shellie Zimmerman
5:18 p.m. EST, February 19, 2013

SANFORD — Shellie Zimmerman appeared in court Tuesday afternoon and sat silently as a judge refused to dismiss the perjury charge against her.
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Post by: grace-land on February 20, 2013, 10:32:17 PM
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/2/18/zimmerman_serino_dep.html

Former Zimmerman detective deposed, court papers show
Last Updated: Monday, February 18, 2013

SANFORD --
George Zimmerman's defense attorneys have talked to the former lead investigator in the case.
 
Court documents from Seminole County show defense attorneys have conducted depositions from several investigators with the state attorney's office, as well as Chris Serino, the now-former Sanford police detective who led the investigation into the shooting death of Trayvon Martin nearly one year ago.
 
Defense attorneys said Serino recommended that Zimmerman be charged in Martin's death, even after the Sanford Police Department came to a consensus that, at the time, there was no case against Zimmerman.
 
Serino is expected to be a key witness in Zimmerman's trial for second-degree murder. Former Casey Anthony attorney Jose Baez is representing Serino.
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Post by: grace-land on February 21, 2013, 12:29:51 PM
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/2/21/zimmerman_lawsuit_pl.html

Lawyer: Trayvon Martin's family plans civil suit against Zimmerman
Last Updated: Thursday, February 21, 2013, 11:59 AM

SANFORD --
There are new indications that Trayvon Martin's family has plans to sue George Zimmerman in civil court following his trial for second-degree murder.
 
The latest developments come as attorneys prepare to head back to the Seminole County Courthouse on Friday, looking to nail down a date for Zimmerman's "Stand Your Ground" hearing.
 LIVE UPDATES: Bookmark our Chat page to follow LIVE updates from Friday's hearing.
 
Zimmerman's lawyers are expected to again push for Martin family attorney Ben Crump to testify in a deposition.
 
But now, an attorney representing Crump says allowing the defense to question Crump about the case violates his attorney-client privileges with the Martins, who hired him with plans to file a civil suit against Zimmerman.
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Post by: grace-land on February 21, 2013, 12:37:19 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-02-20/news/os-george-zimmerman-crump-fights-depo-20130220_1_trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-young-miami-woman

Trayvon's family attorney fights deposition, cites possible Zimmerman civil claim
February 20, 2013

SANFORD — An attorney for Benjamin Crump, the high-profile Tallahassee lawyer for Trayvon Martin's family, Wednesday filed paperwork, suggesting that Trayvon's parents intend to sue George Zimmerman.

It's been clear for months that the family is seeking damages from the homeowners association of the Sanford subdivision where Trayvon was shot, the Retreat at Twin Lakes. Not clear until Wednesday, though, was their plan to seek damages against Zimmerman, who launched a Neighborhood Watch group organized through the homeowner's association.

According to paperwork filed on behalf of Crump by Orlando attorney Bruce Blackwell, "Attorney Crump has been retained by the victim's parents to assert civil claims against defendant…."

The pleading suggests the claim or suit would be for wrongful death or negligence but offers no details. Except for money being donated by supporters through a defense fund website, it's not clear that Zimmerman has any assets. He's been without a job for a year and was a renter at the time of the shooting.

The homeowners association, however, does have assets, among them insurance coverage. In August, its insurer, Travelers Casualty and Surety Company of America, filed suit in federal court, disclosing that Trayvon's mother had filed a claim of more than $75,000, seeking damages for the death of her son.
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Post by: grace-land on February 22, 2013, 09:41:27 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-crump-hearing-20130222,0,4304478.story

Judge: Zimmerman defense can't depose Trayvon Martin family attorney
7:13 p.m. EST, February 22, 2013

SANFORD — The judge in the George Zimmerman murder case said Friday that defense attorneys may not grill Benjamin Crump, the high-profile, often-on-TV attorney who made the Trayvon Martin shooting into a national civil-rights issue.

Defense attorney Don West asked Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson to let him depose Crump on a wide variety of issues, including Crump's contention that Sanford police and then-State Attorney Norm Wolfinger had engaged in a criminal conspiracy to cover up the teenager's death.
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The judge also rejected their request for make prosecutors hand over the home addresses of Trayvon's mother, father, brother and the young Miami woman who is the state's most important witness.

She is Witness 8, who was on the phone with Trayvon moments before he was killed.

O'Mara and West want her address, as well as those of Trayvon's family members, to investigate them before taking their depositions next month in South Florida. That would allow defense attorneys to challenge them then about inconsistent statements, a history of lying or other embarrassing things.

Zimmerman's attorneys made clear Friday that they intend to aggressively go after Witness 8. West pointed out that she was 18 when Trayvon was shot, even though Crump told reporters at a news conference in March that she was 16.
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Post by: grace-land on February 25, 2013, 02:38:01 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/25/justice/florida-zimmerman-5-things/index.html

5 things you may have missed in George Zimmerman-Trayvon Martin saga
updated 1:50 PM EST, Mon February 25, 2013
(CNN) -- February 26, 2012

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4. 'Stand your ground' law doesn't apply, defendant's lawyers say
 
The Florida law, passed in 2006, says people who feel threatened don't have to retreat from danger, no matter where they are. And it became a huge point of contention after Zimmerman's arrest, with his supporters saying the incident demonstrated the precise need for the law and critics saying it encourages a "Wild West" or vigilante mentality.
 
But Zimmerman's lawyers say it doesn't apply to his case, at least not exactly.
 
"In this particular case, George did not have an ability to retreat because he was on the ground with Trayvon Martin mounting him, striking blows, therefore the Stand Your Ground 'benefit' given by the statute simply does not apply to the facts of George's case: it is traditional self-defense," Zimmerman's attorneys said on the web site detailing his legal case.
 
But they do intend to ask a judge to apply the immunity provisions of Florida's self-defense law to stave off a trial on the charges.
 
Unstable ground: The fine line between self-defense and murder
 
The law says people who use fatal force within the guidelines set out by the law are immune from prosecution.
 
A hearing on the issue could happen in April, according to the web site.
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Post by: grace-land on February 26, 2013, 10:32:16 PM
http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/21350119/a-year-after-martins-death-sanford-is-healing#axzz2M3bOkd7j

A year after Martin's death, Sanford is healing
Posted: Feb 26, 2013 5:22 AM CSTUpdated: Feb 26, 2013 5:22 AM CST

SANFORD, Fla. -
One year after the shooting of Trayvon Martin thrust this small central Florida city into the national spotlight, life in Sanford is returning to its regular rhythm.
 
After the death of the black 17-year-old at the hands of a neighborhood watch leader, civil rights leaders warned that Sanford risked its reputation as an upscale Mayberry and could become a 21st century version of civil rights flashpoints like Selma, Ala.
 
It seems Mayberry won out -- at least for now. Downtown is abuzz with the activity of 1st Street shops and restaurants, not the sounds of marching protesters.
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Post by: grace-land on February 26, 2013, 10:37:18 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-nbc-stay-20130226,0,231067.story

NBC says in response to lawsuit that Zimmerman doesn't deserve a payout from us
6:58 p.m. EST, February 26, 2013

SANFORD — Attorneys for NBC Universal Media LLC have filed a response to the defamation suit filed by murder defendant George Zimmerman, saying the murder suspect deserves no payout from it.

In two pleadings that total more than 100 pages, the company also asks Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson to put a temporary hold on the civil suit until Zimmerman's second-degree murder case is concluded.

"While there is no legitimate basis for Zimmerman's claims against these defendants, who fairly and accurately reported about a news event that has captivated the nation, now is simply not the time to litigate them," wrote Gregg D. Thomas, a Tampa attorney who specializes in media issues and was hired by NBC.

The criminal case is set for trial June 10. Nelson is the judge assigned both cases.

Zimmerman filed suit against NBC in December, alleging that NBC and its Miami affiliate, WTVJ, falsely portrayed him as a racist in five reports.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 27, 2013, 01:11:59 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-fbi-objection-20130227,0,329769.story

FBI to George Zimmerman: We don't have to give you our file
10:20 a.m. EST, February 27, 2013

Lawyers for the FBI say the federal agency should not give George Zimmerman's lawyers all the evidence from its case file, even though a Sanford judge has ordered it.
 
The U.S. Department of Justice filed paperwork Monday, arguing that federal regulations trump a state court judge's ruling. It's asking that judge, Debra S. Nelson, to undo her Feb. 5 order.
 
"This court has 'no power or authority' … to compel the FBI to produce the documents at issue here," wrote Assistant U.S. Attorney Sean P. Flynn.

In her order, Nelson agreed with a defense request and ordered the FBI to open its case file to Zimmerman's attorneys.

A few weeks after the slaying, following protest rallies across the country, the U.S. Department of Justice launched an investigation into the shooting to determine whether Trayvon's civil rights were violated – whether he was killed because he was black.
 
It's not clear what that investigation has turned up. The FBI, which has done much of the work in the federal case, last week described the investigation as ongoing.
 
Defense attorneys Mark O'Mara and Don West have argued that they're entitled to all evidence gathered against their client, be it by local, state or federal authorities.
 
They've received a limited amount of FBI evidence – interview summaries that say three-dozen people who knew Zimmerman told agents they saw no signs he was a racist.
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Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: grace-land on February 28, 2013, 11:05:05 PM
http://www.indianapolisrecorder.com/news/national/article_15ecff4a-81c1-11e2-889e-0019bb2963f4.html

Zimmerman's lawyer works to dispel racial overtones in Trayvon Martin case
Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:08 am

(CNN) -- Whatever the outcome of the Trayvon Martin case, it will be viewed less as a determination of the shooter's guilt or innocence and more as a victory or loss for civil rights, George Zimmerman's lawyer fears.

Mark O'Mara said he has been busy trying to dispel the racial overtones in the case by getting out more evidence about his client.

His hope, he said, is that people will divorce a verdict from the real civil rights questions.

The civil rights issue

"The more people that consider an acquittal of George Zimmerman to be a loss for civil rights, the worse for civil rights," he told CNN's Piers Morgan.

A year ago, Zimmerman, who is Hispanic, shot Martin, an African-American teenager returning home after walking to a convenience store for a drink and a snack.

Zimmerman said he acted in self-defense. Prosecutors say he ignored a police dispatcher's advice and was guilty of racial profiling.

The case drew national attention because police did not bring charges against Zimmerman for more than a month after the shooting, saying the circumstances required further investigation.

'Absolutely no racism'

O'Mara said the evidence will show that Zimmerman wasn't profiling. He said the FBI investigated the shooting and found "absolutely no racism."

"As a matter of fact, they found a lot of events and instances where George was what you might call an absolute nonracist," O'Mara said
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Post by: grace-land on March 01, 2013, 01:26:01 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-kid-deposed-20130301,0,4373484.story

Zimmerman lawyers depose 13-year-old who heard screams, cries for help
10:26 a.m. EST, March 1, 2013

A 13-year-old boy who, while walking his dog, heard George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin fighting, was deposed by defense attorneys yesterday.
 
So was the Florida Department of Law Enforcement agent who worked to download information from Trayvon's phone.
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Lawyers today filed notice of the depositions they took yesterday.
 
They included a now-14-year-old boy identified as witness 14. Last year, he told the Orlando Sentinel that while walking his dog he heard screams and someone crying for help. He saw one – not two - figures.

The man he saw was on the ground, he said, and was wearing red.
 
Zimmerman that night had on a red jacket. Trayvon was wearing a dark gray hoodie.
 
The boy told the Sentinel in an interview March 15 that he turned away because his dog had gotten loose and that while catching him, he heard a gunshot then went inside out of fear.
 
Also deposed yesterday was Stephen Brenton, the FDLE agent who managed to download some information from Trayvon's cell phone but was locked out and could not access its main flash drive.


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Post by: grace-land on March 05, 2013, 11:37:53 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-zimmerman-witness-8-medical-records-20130305,0,129597.story

George Zimmerman lawyer: No 'stand your ground' hearing in April
10:44 a.m. EST, March 5, 2013

SANFORD - George Zimmerman's "stand your ground" hearing will not begin April 22 as planned, after his lawyer Mark O'Mara told a judge this morning he will not need the court time she'd set aside.
 
O'Mara stopped short of confirming that Zimmerman will combine the hearing with his trial, as the defense lawyer has previously said he was considering. Zimmerman was expected to seek immunity from prosecution under the controversial self-defense law.
 
The revelation was the second major development to come from this morning's hearing.

Attorneys for George Zimmerman were expected to ask his judge this morning to order the state's most important witness, the young Miami woman who was on the phone with Trayvon Martin just before he was shot, to produce medical records.
 
However, defense lawyer Don West made a startling claim shortly after the hearing began: The state had revealed, before the hearing, that there are no medical records.

The woman, the defense lawyer said, "misrepresented" in a sworn statement that she missed Trayvon's funeral because she had been hospitalized.
 
"In fact, she lied," West said.
 
Prosecutor John Guy confirmed there will be no medical records, effectively confirming that there was no hospital trip.
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After their discussion of Witness 8, the state and defense debated a set of witness bios the Zimmerman defense wants from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. FDLE says they're irrelevant and contain confidential information.
 
The judge left court to review them, and returned with redacted copies. She said the defense will get those copies, with the exempt confidential information, such as social security numbers, removed.
 
The judge was also expected to be asked to decide whether to allow Zimmerman's attorneys access to surveillance camera video from two stores near the scene of the shooting and an apartment complex.
 
However, O'Mara told the judge that the issue had been resolved before the hearing.



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Post by: cookie on March 05, 2013, 12:37:20 PM
She lied about being in the hospital. She did not attend her 'close' friend Trayvon's funeral. Was she even talking to Trayvon that night when all of this happened? If so,why did she not cal 911 to say that her friend was being attacked, stalked . Whatever....


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Post by: grace-land on March 05, 2013, 04:08:46 PM
She lied about being in the hospital. She did not attend her 'close' friend Trayvon's funeral. Was she even talking to Trayvon that night when all of this happened? If so,why did she not cal 911 to say that her friend was being attacked, stalked . Whatever....

Good questions...we'll probably get more information when she testifies at the trial.


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Post by: grace-land on March 05, 2013, 04:24:13 PM
Tweets by Pipitone from the court hearing are below the article.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/George-Zimmerman-immunity-hearing-won-t-be-held-in-April/-/1637132/19182402/-/xi5nei/-/index.html

George Zimmerman immunity hearing won't be held in April
Published On: Mar 05 2013 06:53:15 AM EST Updated On: Mar 05 2013 12:44:21 PM EST

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The judge also denied a defense motion to obtain the address for Witness 8.  She said the defense could obtain the information during a deposition.

The defense also wants all the information about Martin, including any criminal history and Twitter and Facebook content, that was acquired by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

The FDLE says, however, there's possible criminal information in Martin's biographical file, and a lawyer for the agency said the information cannot be disclosed to Zimmerman.

Zimmerman, 29, claims he shot Martin in self-defense inside a gated Sanford community and has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder.

The next hearing is set for April 2.  Zimmerman's murder trial is scheduled to begin June 10.


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Post by: grace-land on March 05, 2013, 04:38:26 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-zimmerman-witness-8-medical-records-20130305,0,129597.story

Lawyer: State's most important witness in George Zimmerman murder case lied
4:06 p.m. EST, March 5, 2013

SANFORD – Trayvon Martin's girlfriend, the state's most important witness in the George Zimmerman murder case, was caught in a lie Tuesday.

It was not her first, but it was the most damaging to date and left prosecutors in a very awkward position.

They had to publicly acknowledge that their star witness had lied under oath and had to answer questions about what they intend to do about it.

Will you charge the 19-year-old Miami woman with perjury, reporters asked.

The state's lead prosecutor, Bernie de la Rionda, gave an ambiguous answer: "You can all read the law and make your own decision."
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Post by: cookie on March 05, 2013, 06:07:58 PM
In the old days, when laws were laws and justice was justice, she would be arrested and charged with perjury. Right?


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Post by: iluvmua on March 05, 2013, 06:33:29 PM
I remember reading her Twitter, no mention of going to the hospital at all.

This is the Duke case all over again. I hope Corey gets debarred along with everybody else.

Does anybody think George will be found Guilty?


Title: Re: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 -
Post by: cookie on March 05, 2013, 06:44:26 PM
I remember reading her Twitter, no mention of going to the hospital at all.

This is the Duke case all over again. I hope Corey gets debarred along with everybody else.

Does anybody think George will be found Guilty?

I don't know what to think anymore about any case.


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Post by: grace-land on March 07, 2013, 02:07:37 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-trayvon-twitter-facebook-20130306,0,822138.story

Judge in George Zimmerman case signs subpoena for Trayvon's Twitter, Facebook info
2:58 p.m. EST, March 6, 2013