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Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 09, 2007, 10:06:16 PM
Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/candleman2justice2007.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 09, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
Whew.  Made it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 09, 2007, 10:56:52 PM
Here! Thank you, San!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 09, 2007, 10:57:40 PM
San you closed out my post  :lol: smooth transition though miss substitute Mod  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 10:58:02 PM
Had the door slammed on me.  LMAO

San you stinker.. that was fast!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 10:58:38 PM
I was lost over there... :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 09, 2007, 10:58:46 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
San you closed out my post  :lol: smooth transition though miss substitute Mod  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
San you closed out my post  :lol: smooth transition though miss substitute Mod  :lol:




LOL  She was quick wasnt she? Imagine her with holsters on .. drawing her guns.  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 09, 2007, 10:59:30 PM
nope I was last.  I was writing....something??? and bam


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:00:35 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
nope I was last.  I was writing....something??? and bam


and to answer your question, she owned the escort service, but there is a thread for her in the missing pges... and I thnk she had an abusive ex husband... makes me wonder....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:00:48 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
nope I was last.  I was writing....something??? and bam


Same here AZ.. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 09, 2007, 11:01:14 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Had the door slammed on me.  LMAO

San you stinker.. that was fast!  :lol:

I was a little fast on the trigger wasn't I :lol:   Next time I will slow down.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 09, 2007, 11:01:51 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
San you closed out my post  :lol: smooth transition though miss substitute Mod  :lol:




LOL  She was quick wasnt she? Imagine her with holsters on .. drawing her guns.  :shock:  :shock:


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:02:28 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Had the door slammed on me.  LMAO

San you stinker.. that was fast!  :lol:

I was a little fast on the trigger wasn't I :lol:   Next time I will slow down.


 You're coming up to my next post.. LMAO
Too funny!
 Hope NY wasnt as hot like it was in PA today.. YIKES..<it was awful>


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 09, 2007, 11:03:17 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
nope I was last.  I was writing....something??? and bam


and to answer your question, she owned the escort service, but there is a thread for her in the missing pges... and I thnk she had an abusive ex husband... makes me wonder....


Thanks.  I knew about her posting on Chef.com or something, and she had discussed the ex husband, but I thought that she worked for the service.  That is a lot different than owning one.  I agree she certainly didn't deserve this, but that is a very high risk occupation from any prespective.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 09, 2007, 11:04:40 PM
There have been prostitures throughout the ages.  That does not give anybody the right to KILL them.

Nothing does.  No one has the right to take the life of another person except in self defense, acts of war, etc.  

Certainly not because of what she was wearing or drinking, etc.

That kind of thinking is insane and yet we hear it every day now.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:04:40 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
nope I was last.  I was writing....something??? and bam


and to answer your question, she owned the escort service, but there is a thread for her in the missing pges... and I thnk she had an abusive ex husband... makes me wonder....


Thanks.  I knew about her posting on Chef.com or something, and she had discussed the ex husband, but I thought that she worked for the service.  That is a lot different than owning one.  I agree she certainly didn't deserve this, but that is a very high risk occupation from any prespective.


yes it is risky... and she did Pampered Chef stuff... with two small children.. it's just sad.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 09, 2007, 11:05:31 PM
1. Private and nonscheduled commercial aircraft overflying or landing the territory of the Netherlands Antilles (the Caribbean Islands of Bonaire, Curacao, Saba, St. Eustatius, and the Dutch side of St. Maarten), and the territory of Aruba, for noncommercial purposes need not obtain prior permission; however, a flight plan must be on file and received by ATC authorities at least 1 hour prior to arrival.

     2. Nonscheduled commercial flights landing for commercial purposes must obtain prior permission from the Director of Civil Aviation, Seru Mahuma z/n, Curacao, Netherlands Antilles (TELEGRAPHIC ADDRESS: CIVILAIR CURACAO/TELEX: 1102) at least 14 days (4 days if by commercial telegraph with prepaid reply) prior to departure.

     3. All requests must include:

       a. Name, nationality, and business address of the company or operator.

       b. Type of aircraft, nationality and registration marks.

       c. Date and time of arrival and departure and airports to be used.

       d. Route of flight.

       e. Purpose of flight.

       f. Number of passengers.

       g. Type and amount of cargo


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 09, 2007, 11:06:21 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Had the door slammed on me.  LMAO

San you stinker.. that was fast!  :lol:

I was a little fast on the trigger wasn't I :lol:   Next time I will slow down.


 You're coming up to my next post.. LMAO
Too funny!
 Hope NY wasnt as hot like it was in PA today.. YIKES..<it was awful>


Angie, it was 117 her of 7/4.  Our air conditioning unit failed on 7/3 at 11:30 pm.  by the time the tech got here at 2PM it was 97 in the house!! it was a sweaty miserable 4th.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:06:51 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
There have been prostitures throughout the ages.  That does not give anybody the right to KILL them.

Nothing does.  No one has the right to take the life of another person except in self defense, acts of war, etc.  

Certainly not because of what she was wearing or drinking, etc.

That kind of thinking is insane and yet we hear it every day now.

.


Lately the media is among the worst offenders... at first I was all  :roll:  when they started talking about women being under attack, but now I think it's true and I think that the media is leading the charge of  look at what she did, etc.

I could get on a huge rant about that... since when does ANYONE deserve to be murdered?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 09, 2007, 11:06:54 PM
This is from the news tonight. Question: Shouldn't you think twice before hiring someone named DiGrado as your PR person? Just as you should never go to a Doctor named Payne, and as Paris Hilton should not have mouthed off to a Judge named Sour.



Jul 9, 10:31 PM (ET)

WASHINGTON (AP) - Sen. David Vitter, R-La., apologized Monday night for "a very serious sin in my past" after his telephone number appeared among those associated with an escort service operated by the so-called "D.C. Madam."

Vitter's spokesman, Joel Digrado, confirmed the statement in an e-mail sent to The Associated Press.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 09, 2007, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
nope I was last.  I was writing....something??? and bam


and to answer your question, she owned the escort service, but there is a thread for her in the missing pges... and I thnk she had an abusive ex husband... makes me wonder....

I was wondering about the ex also mrs. red.  They said she met with him that day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 09, 2007, 11:07:13 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
There have been prostitures throughout the ages.  That does not give anybody the right to KILL them.

Nothing does.  No one has the right to take the life of another person except in self defense, acts of war, etc.  

Certainly not because of what she was wearing or drinking, etc.

That kind of thinking is insane and yet we hear it every day now.

.


yes and that is about the only thing Renfro hasn't accused Natalee of YET


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 09, 2007, 11:07:49 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
San you closed out my post  :lol: smooth transition though miss substitute Mod  :lol:




LOL  She was quick wasnt she? Imagine her with holsters on .. drawing her guns.  :shock:  :shock:


Faster than a speeding bullet, able to gun down a host of bad guys at high noon........................it's SUPERSAN!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Sancopy.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:08:29 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Had the door slammed on me.  LMAO

San you stinker.. that was fast!  :lol:

I was a little fast on the trigger wasn't I :lol:   Next time I will slow down.


 You're coming up to my next post.. LMAO
Too funny!
 Hope NY wasnt as hot like it was in PA today.. YIKES..<it was awful>


Angie, it was 117 her of 7/4.  Our air conditioning unit failed on 7/3 at 11:30 pm.  by the time the tech got here at 2PM it was 97 in the house!! it was a sweaty miserable 4th.


 OMG  OUCH. Sorry you had to suffer.  :(  It was 94 here. and humid as all heck. Suppose ot be worse tomorrow.  I hope you are keeping cool AZ!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 09, 2007, 11:08:48 PM
Quote from: "robots"
1. Private and nonscheduled commercial aircraft overflying or landing the territory of the Netherlands Antilles (the Caribbean Islands of Bonaire, Curacao, Saba, St. Eustatius, and the Dutch side of St. Maarten), and the territory of Aruba, for noncommercial purposes need not obtain prior permission; however, a flight plan must be on file and received by ATC authorities at least 1 hour prior to arrival.

     2. Nonscheduled commercial flights landing for commercial purposes must obtain prior permission from the Director of Civil Aviation, Seru Mahuma z/n, Curacao, Netherlands Antilles (TELEGRAPHIC ADDRESS: CIVILAIR CURACAO/TELEX: 1102) at least 14 days (4 days if by commercial telegraph with prepaid reply) prior to departure.

     3. All requests must include:

       a. Name, nationality, and business address of the company or operator.

       b. Type of aircraft, nationality and registration marks.

       c. Date and time of arrival and departure and airports to be used.

       d. Route of flight.

       e. Purpose of flight.

       f. Number of passengers.

       g. Type and amount of cargo


Good confirmation Robots.  They knew and Julia is sucking feathers up her ass.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:08:58 PM
Val... we gotta talk about that in the political thread... I am so curious about all of that... and I missed all the news surrounding that...


do you have a story that I can read or so??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 09, 2007, 11:09:41 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "robots"
1. Private and nonscheduled commercial aircraft overflying or landing the territory of the Netherlands Antilles (the Caribbean Islands of Bonaire, Curacao, Saba, St. Eustatius, and the Dutch side of St. Maarten), and the territory of Aruba, for noncommercial purposes need not obtain prior permission; however, a flight plan must be on file and received by ATC authorities at least 1 hour prior to arrival.

     2. Nonscheduled commercial flights landing for commercial purposes must obtain prior permission from the Director of Civil Aviation, Seru Mahuma z/n, Curacao, Netherlands Antilles (TELEGRAPHIC ADDRESS: CIVILAIR CURACAO/TELEX: 1102) at least 14 days (4 days if by commercial telegraph with prepaid reply) prior to departure.

     3. All requests must include:

       a. Name, nationality, and business address of the company or operator.

       b. Type of aircraft, nationality and registration marks.

       c. Date and time of arrival and departure and airports to be used.

       d. Route of flight.

       e. Purpose of flight.

       f. Number of passengers.

       g. Type and amount of cargo


Good confirmation Robots.  They knew and Julia is sucking feathers up her ass.


international flights have thigns that need to be done
especially after 9-11


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 09, 2007, 11:09:47 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
San you closed out my post  :lol: smooth transition though miss substitute Mod  :lol:




LOL  She was quick wasnt she? Imagine her with holsters on .. drawing her guns.  :shock:  :shock:


Faster than a speeding bullet, able to gun down a host of bad guys at high noon........................it's SUPERSAN!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Sancopy.gif)


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
San you closed out my post  :lol: smooth transition though miss substitute Mod  :lol:




LOL  She was quick wasnt she? Imagine her with holsters on .. drawing her guns.  :shock:  :shock:


Faster than a speeding bullet, able to gun down a host of bad guys at high noon........................it's SUPERSAN!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Sancopy.gif)


 ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  San.. when did yah get that BEWB job?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:10:15 PM
CBB that is awesome.. .but what a dicotomy from her regular little San self...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 09, 2007, 11:11:29 PM
super san has a couple of bazookas

 :lol:  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 09, 2007, 11:11:39 PM
I hope Jossy asks ALE why they have that nasty article filled with lies up on their website!

 :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 09, 2007, 11:12:29 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Val... we gotta talk about that in the political thread... I am so curious about all of that... and I missed all the news surrounding that...


do you have a story that I can read or so??


Drudge has the link. Not much more than what I quoted. OT, though, so I won't copy it here. See drudgereport.com.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:12:34 PM
Quote from: "robots"
super san has a couple of bazookas

 :lol:  :twisted:


 :shock:   LOL   :lol:  :lol:
 TY for the flight info there Robots. interesting!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:12:46 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
I hope Jossy asks ALE why they have that nasty article filled with lies up on their website!

 :evil:



me too! I would love to know why ALE puts such stupid stuff on their site... and how is that going to help tourism???? :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 09, 2007, 11:13:25 PM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
This is from the news tonight. Question: Shouldn't you think twice before hiring someone named DiGrado as your PR person? Just as you should never go to a Doctor named Payne, and as Paris Hilton should not have mouthed off to a Judge named Sour.



Jul 9, 10:31 PM (ET)

WASHINGTON (AP) - Sen. David Vitter, R-La., apologized Monday night for "a very serious sin in my past" after his telephone number appeared among those associated with an escort service operated by the so-called "D.C. Madam."

Vitter's spokesman, Joel Digrado, confirmed the statement in an e-mail sent to The Associated Press.



and there will be more to come!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:13:33 PM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Val... we gotta talk about that in the political thread... I am so curious about all of that... and I missed all the news surrounding that...


do you have a story that I can read or so??


Drudge has the link. Not much more than what I quoted. OT, though, so I won't copy it here. See drudgereport.com.


Oh but I think there will be a lot more to discuss... you know the media won't let it go at that...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 09, 2007, 11:14:58 PM
It's the new me :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 09, 2007, 11:15:43 PM
well miss madam has her own web site with the names but it's so busy I can't get through to view the entire list  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:15:57 PM
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


 ROFLMAO  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I love it   8)    :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 09, 2007, 11:16:29 PM
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


LOL...so funny!! wait till Klaas can see that!  tell her things got a little rough while she was gone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 09, 2007, 11:16:30 PM
Yes, I'm sure there will be a circus around this one.

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 09, 2007, 11:16:47 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "robots"
super san has a couple of bazookas

 :lol:  :twisted:


 :shock:   LOL   :lol:  :lol:
 TY for the flight info there Robots. interesting!




 8)  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 09, 2007, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


LOL...so funny!! wait till Klaas can see that!  tell her things got a little rough while she was gone.

I'll leave it up until she comes back. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 09, 2007, 11:17:52 PM
San keep that as your avi at least until Klaas gets back  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 09, 2007, 11:17:53 PM
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


OMG! I love it!
They'll listen to you now, for sure, San!

Either out of respect for what you're packing,
or out of respect for what you're uh, well, packing!  :lol:

Want it a little bigger? I'll resize for you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:19:15 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
San keep that as your avi at least until Klaas gets back  :lol:  :lol:


OH I agree. Klaas wil get a kick out of it for sure! I am howlin here!  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 09, 2007, 11:20:10 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


LOL...so funny!! wait till Klaas can see that!  tell her things got a little rough while she was gone.

I'll leave it up until she comes back. :lol:



Hilarious!

Klaas will be reading back to try to find out what happened!

 :D  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 09, 2007, 11:20:40 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


OMG! I love it!
They'll listen to you now, for sure, San!

Either out of respect for what you're packing,
or out of respect for what you're uh, well, packing!  :lol:

Want it a little bigger? I'll resize for you!

 :lol:  :lol:

What do you think CBB should it be a tiny bit bigger.  I'm OK with it this size.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 09, 2007, 11:20:48 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
San keep that as your avi at least until Klaas gets back  :lol:  :lol:


OH I agree. Klaas wil get a kick out of it for sure! I am howlin here!  :)


I may have to break out that sami whatever avatar I slapped a daisy on the nose with  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 09, 2007, 11:21:55 PM
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


It is SO you San!!  I love it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 09, 2007, 11:21:59 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


OMG! I love it!
They'll listen to you now, for sure, San!

Either out of respect for what you're packing,
or out of respect for what you're uh, well, packing!  :lol:

Want it a little bigger? I'll resize for you!

 :lol:  :lol:

What do you think CBB should it be a tiny bit bigger.  I'm OK with it this size.


oh I'd like to see CBB animate it, add a little bounce to it too ROFL !!!!!!!!!!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 09, 2007, 11:22:56 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


LOL...so funny!! wait till Klaas can see that!  tell her things got a little rough while she was gone.

I'll leave it up until she comes back. :lol:



Hilarious!

Klaas will be reading back to try to find out what happened!

 :D  :D  :D

I know a lot of people like to change their avatars but I am so used to my old one.  I guess you can say I don't like change too much :lol: .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 09, 2007, 11:24:02 PM
:shock:

I step out for a bit...
find I' m three pages behind in a locked cage...
San  has a new look / Super Girl with Guns  and is talking about spittin in the cage when someone comes back  :?  :lol:
(Graphis please... )
and now three pages behind  :shock:
I might catch up with ya but  seems this the computer and I  are (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/oldfart_crossing.gif) tonight  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 09, 2007, 11:24:26 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


OMG! I love it!
They'll listen to you now, for sure, San!

Either out of respect for what you're packing,
or out of respect for what you're uh, well, packing!  :lol:

Want it a little bigger? I'll resize for you!

 :lol:  :lol:

What do you think CBB should it be a tiny bit bigger.  I'm OK with it this size.


oh I'd like to see CBB animate it, add a little bounce to it too ROFL !!!!!!!!!!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

No spitting, cussin or bouncing :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:25:03 PM
OMG.. I go get a glass of chocolate milk and look at what I come back to...


San, that is excellent... but I will have a hard time finding you now... I am so used to the "sweet" little San...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 09, 2007, 11:25:13 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss1.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss1.gif

Up to you, San. Whatever you want! Klaas will KNOW there's been some spittin going on!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:26:01 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
San keep that as your avi at least until Klaas gets back  :lol:  :lol:


OH I agree. Klaas wil get a kick out of it for sure! I am howlin here!  :)


I may have to break out that sami whatever avatar I slapped a daisy on the nose with  :lol:  :lol:

 ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 Sami,  ROFLMAO  TOO DANG FUNNY!!!   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:26:11 PM
TOO Funny...now that is a moderator...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 09, 2007, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OMG.. I go get a glass of chocolate milk and look at what I come back to...


San, that is excellent... but I will have a hard time finding you now... I am so used to the "sweet" little San...


ROFL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :lol:  :lol:

chuckiemouse might want to wrassle with San too  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Karo on July 09, 2007, 11:27:15 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well miss madam has her own web site with the names but it's so busy I can't get through to view the entire list  :lol:


None, an article just posted on the New Orleans newspaper site, said the Associated Press cannot get through to the website, either!  

Your Bella cat is so beautiful.  She reminds me of my cat I miss so much... If you ever decide she needs a new home, think of me  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 09, 2007, 11:27:29 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


OMG! I love it!
They'll listen to you now, for sure, San!

Either out of respect for what you're packing,
or out of respect for what you're uh, well, packing!  :lol:

Want it a little bigger? I'll resize for you!

 :lol:  :lol:

What do you think CBB should it be a tiny bit bigger.  I'm OK with it this size.


oh I'd like to see CBB animate it, add a little bounce to it too ROFL !!!!!!!!!!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

You want the bazookas to bounce???
OMG! ROFL!!!!
I can do that, but would San wear it???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:27:52 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


LOL...so funny!! wait till Klaas can see that!  tell her things got a little rough while she was gone.

I'll leave it up until she comes back. :lol:



Hilarious!

Klaas will be reading back to try to find out what happened!

 :D  :D  :D

I know a lot of people like to change their avatars but I am so used to my old one.  I guess you can say I don't like change too much :lol: .

Keep it up at least til klaas sees it  :) :)
Let CBB make it a bit larger.. that waay it shows off more of your.. Ummm
Bazookas.. as Robots says !  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 09, 2007, 11:28:08 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss1.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss1.gif

Up to you, San. Whatever you want! Klaas will KNOW there's been some spittin going on!  :lol:

Thanks CBB.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 09, 2007, 11:28:24 PM
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/db212351.gif)

CBB
You did a great job at making SuperSans  guns & other things much larger  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 09, 2007, 11:29:07 PM
as usual at 11:30 or so every night this place falls out of whack for about
10-15 minutes

 :twisted:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 09, 2007, 11:29:09 PM
In unison, or one at a time?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Bump, tiddy, bump, tiddy, bump!   :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 09, 2007, 11:29:47 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OMG.. I go get a glass of chocolate milk and look at what I come back to...


San, that is excellent... but I will have a hard time finding you now... I am so used to the "sweet" little San...

Mrs. red I will change it back tomorrow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:30:05 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


OMG! I love it!
They'll listen to you now, for sure, San!

Either out of respect for what you're packing,
or out of respect for what you're uh, well, packing!  :lol:

Want it a little bigger? I'll resize for you!

 :lol:  :lol:

What do you think CBB should it be a tiny bit bigger.  I'm OK with it this size.


oh I'd like to see CBB animate it, add a little bounce to it too ROFL !!!!!!!!!!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

You want the bazookas to bounce???
OMG! ROFL!!!!
I can do that, but would San wear it???


 I am laughing so hard.. CBB  .. make ons with the bounce just for the heck of it   :twisted:  If its not too much trouble.. LMAO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:30:25 PM
uh... bouncing?

where is lala's??? :lol:


I am going to shoot red and dugga if they don't hurry with that pod cast... I am dying to know what jossy said...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:31:14 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
In unison, or one at a time?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Bump, tiddy, bump, tiddy, bump!   :lol:  :lol:


 LMAO  OMG  CBB!!   My belly hurts!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 09, 2007, 11:31:18 PM
Quote from: "Karo"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well miss madam has her own web site with the names but it's so busy I can't get through to view the entire list  :lol:


None, an article just posted on the New Orleans newspaper site, said the Associated Press cannot get through to the website, either!  

Your Bella cat is so beautiful.  She reminds me of my cat I miss so much... If you ever decide she needs a new home, think of me  :lol:


It's the hottest spot in cybertown it appears ?  :lol:  :lol:

oh you know she had babies last year, if only we had known, we just had her spayed  :( thank you, she is the sweetest thing !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 09, 2007, 11:31:51 PM
if i see a nipple

im banning myself  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 09, 2007, 11:31:55 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


OMG! I love it!
They'll listen to you now, for sure, San!

Either out of respect for what you're packing,
or out of respect for what you're uh, well, packing!  :lol:

Want it a little bigger? I'll resize for you!

 :lol:  :lol:

What do you think CBB should it be a tiny bit bigger.  I'm OK with it this size.


Deeper V on the T-shirt... is my vote... :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:32:26 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OMG.. I go get a glass of chocolate milk and look at what I come back to...


San, that is excellent... but I will have a hard time finding you now... I am so used to the "sweet" little San...

Mrs. red I will change it back tomorrow.


that is up to you... it's not a bad avatar, it's just so opposite...

robots thanks for the flight info... just goes to show that julia can't even lie decently...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 09, 2007, 11:32:45 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


OMG! I love it!
They'll listen to you now, for sure, San!

Either out of respect for what you're packing,
or out of respect for what you're uh, well, packing!  :lol:

Want it a little bigger? I'll resize for you!

 :lol:  :lol:

What do you think CBB should it be a tiny bit bigger.  I'm OK with it this size.


Deeper V on the T-shirt... is my vote... :oops:



 :shock:


RRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFLLLLLLLLLL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 09, 2007, 11:33:10 PM
robots and OF  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:



 :lol:  :oops:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:33:47 PM
Quote from: "robots"
if i see a nipple

im banning myself  8)



 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Karo on July 09, 2007, 11:33:58 PM
San, I think you should KEEP your new avatar!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 09, 2007, 11:34:12 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OMG.. I go get a glass of chocolate milk and look at what I come back to...


San, that is excellent... but I will have a hard time finding you now... I am so used to the "sweet" little San...

Mrs. red I will change it back tomorrow.


that is up to you... it's not a bad avatar, it's just so opposite...

robots thanks for the flight info... just goes to show that julia can't even lie decently...


she is an AUTOMATIC LIE MACHINE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 09, 2007, 11:35:03 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
In unison, or one at a time?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Bump, tiddy, bump, tiddy, bump!   :lol:  :lol:


Naughty Naughty crazybabyborg! But I was wondering the same thing :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 09, 2007, 11:35:18 PM
im too old for this stuff

im 87  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:35:43 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OMG.. I go get a glass of chocolate milk and look at what I come back to...


San, that is excellent... but I will have a hard time finding you now... I am so used to the "sweet" little San...

Mrs. red I will change it back tomorrow.


that is up to you... it's not a bad avatar, it's just so opposite...

robots thanks for the flight info... just goes to show that julia can't even lie decently...


she is an AUTOMATIC LIE MACHINE



I can't wait to see Beth's book... I hope she tells all... I am sure we are going to have confirmation of some things and learn some new stuff...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 09, 2007, 11:35:48 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OMG.. I go get a glass of chocolate milk and look at what I come back to...


San, that is excellent... but I will have a hard time finding you now... I am so used to the "sweet" little San...

Mrs. red I will change it back tomorrow.


that is up to you... it's not a bad avatar, it's just so opposite...

robots thanks for the flight info... just goes to show that julia can't even lie decently...

This is so not me :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 09, 2007, 11:36:17 PM
:lol:  :lol: it's just so NOT our San which is why it's so terribly funny  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:36:33 PM
Quote from: "robots"
im too old for this stuff

im 87  8)


I did read one time that the median age in Maine was 76... :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:36:39 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
robots and OF  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:



 :lol:  :oops:  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
 After the day I had at work. its nice to sit her and laugh my rear off!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 09, 2007, 11:36:44 PM
Quote from: "robots"
as usual at 11:30 or so every night this place falls out of whack for about
10-15 minutes

 :twisted:  :lol:



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 09, 2007, 11:36:53 PM
lets see the old compared with the new


its like crabapples and watermeons


 8)  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 09, 2007, 11:37:01 PM
Quote from: "Karo"
San, I think you should KEEP your new avatar!

I will think about it Karo :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 09, 2007, 11:37:27 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "robots"
im too old for this stuff

im 87  8)


I did read one time that the median age in Maine was 76... :shock:


OMG

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 09, 2007, 11:37:29 PM
San look at it this way, you have both guns and missles  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

double trouble  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 09, 2007, 11:37:48 PM
:shock:  :shock: HOLY COW!!!!  :shock:  :shock:  

OOOOOOOH!  Where in the heck are my muffs??  What happened to San?  For crying out loud!  I thought it was only BIG GUNS that she had.  It's more like BIG 'UNS!    :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 09, 2007, 11:38:13 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
San look at it this way, you have both guns and missles  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

double trouble  :lol:  :lol:


Are those missles or bazookas. (or bazooooombas)?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:38:52 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OMG.. I go get a glass of chocolate milk and look at what I come back to...


San, that is excellent... but I will have a hard time finding you now... I am so used to the "sweet" little San...

Mrs. red I will change it back tomorrow.


that is up to you... it's not a bad avatar, it's just so opposite...

robots thanks for the flight info... just goes to show that julia can't even lie decently...

This is so not me :lol:


After talking to you before... I can't see that it is you... which is why it's so great... LOL.... but i love the little SAN that we all know and love...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:39:49 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
:shock:  :shock: HOLY COW!!!!  :shock:  :shock:  

OOOOOOOH!  Where in the heck are my muffs??  What happened to San?  For crying out loud!  I thought it was only BIG GUNS that she had.  It's more like BIG 'UNS!    :shock:  :shock:



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 09, 2007, 11:39:55 PM
"the little San we know and love".  Would that be the same one that came up with the dreaded Pink Thingy?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 09, 2007, 11:40:26 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


LOL...so funny!! wait till Klaas can see that!  tell her things got a little rough while she was gone.


We should all change our avatars to something different for Klaas's homecoming........she will think she is in the twilight zone. :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:40:31 PM
It isnt SAN.. but she is being a good sport..  LMAO
 I can just hear her laughin  now!  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:40:44 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
"the little San we know and love".  Would that be the same one that came up with the dreaded Pink Thingy?



what is that?  I am skeerd....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 09, 2007, 11:40:48 PM
Quote from: "Karo"
San, I think you should KEEP your new avatar!


Me, too!  I love it!  People will think twice about blowing the margins on HER!

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 09, 2007, 11:41:04 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


LOL...so funny!! wait till Klaas can see that!  tell her things got a little rough while she was gone.


We should all change our avatars to something different for Klaas's homecoming........she will think she is in the twilight zone. :twisted:


heheheheehe,,, that is GOLD !!


robots OUT

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 09, 2007, 11:41:28 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


LOL...so funny!! wait till Klaas can see that!  tell her things got a little rough while she was gone.


We should all change our avatars to something different for Klaas's homecoming........she will think she is in the twilight zone. :twisted:

That would be fun.  But everytime I see your avi I think of Gilda.  I miss her.  Sigh.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:41:41 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Karo"
San, I think you should KEEP your new avatar!


Me, too!  I love it!  People will think twice about blowing the margins on HER!

 :D


It's true... like None said... missles and guns :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 09, 2007, 11:42:10 PM
There is an evil side to our sweet little San...I am just beginning to realize that we've created a monster.  I am just shocked, I tell you...shocked!! :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 09, 2007, 11:42:23 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
"the little San we know and love".  Would that be the same one that came up with the dreaded Pink Thingy?



what is that?  I am skeerd....


Oh. You don't remember.  Some need to trot that little number out for Mrs. Red?  I'm not sure you really want to see it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 09, 2007, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


LOL...so funny!! wait till Klaas can see that!  tell her things got a little rough while she was gone.


We should all change our avatars to something different for Klaas's homecoming........she will think she is in the twilight zone. :twisted:


heheheheehe,,, that is GOLD !!


robots OUT


Or switch them all around and use each other's avi!

.

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:42:40 PM
Yes, I miss Gilda too.. how funny she was...

Robots... NITE!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:42:42 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
:shock:  :shock: HOLY COW!!!!  :shock:  :shock:  

OOOOOOOH!  Where in the heck are my muffs??  What happened to San?  For crying out loud!  I thought it was only BIG GUNS that she had.  It's more like BIG 'UNS!    :shock:  :shock:



LMAO  That reminds me if AL from Married With Children   :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 09, 2007, 11:43:41 PM
Please no pink things,and where can I see these new sights.I am not seeing them.After the colon cleansing adds,I have been laughing,to hard.Easy gets ads to enlarge,I get ads to cleanse,what am I missing.I am going to a diffrent section,it must phremones in the air


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 09, 2007, 11:43:44 PM
San...
If you are still here I can post a link to Bounce... / Giggle  
that CBB could use as a model Not  X or even R rated at the movies (I think)  
Up to you  if you are here  and LaLa's not not around

Sorry ... I ended up in the locked cage trying to post this  :roll:  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 09, 2007, 11:44:01 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Yes, I miss Gilda too.. how funny she was...

Robots... NITE!!


oh, im not going to bed yet............ 8)  :wink:


im just taking a break from all the BAZOOOKA Talk  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 09, 2007, 11:44:07 PM
OK, One bazooka's firing!  :shock:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss2.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss2.gif

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:44:08 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
"the little San we know and love".  Would that be the same one that came up with the dreaded Pink Thingy?



what is that?  I am skeerd....


Oh. You don't remember.  Some need to trot that little number out for Mrs. Red?  I'm not sure you really want to see it.



I don't remember.... should I be afraid?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:44:16 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
"the little San we know and love".  Would that be the same one that came up with the dreaded Pink Thingy?



what is that?  I am skeerd....


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  You never saw the pink thingy?   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 09, 2007, 11:44:39 PM
My cousin died in Ark,and left all his belonging to his wife,when she reaches 14.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:45:54 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
"the little San we know and love".  Would that be the same one that came up with the dreaded Pink Thingy?



what is that?  I am skeerd....


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  You never saw the pink thingy?   :shock:



no... so someone email me or post it...  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 09, 2007, 11:46:04 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
OK, One bazooka's firing!  :shock:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss2.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss2.gif

 :lol:


here we go  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 09, 2007, 11:46:06 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Please no pink things,and where can I see these new sights.I am not seeing them.After the colon cleansing adds,I have been laughing,to hard.Easy gets ads to enlarge,I get ads to cleanse,what am I missing.I am going to a diffrent section,it must phremones in the air


Well, I didn't understand a word of your post just now...I am losing it tonight.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:46:29 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Please no pink things,and where can I see these new sights.I am not seeing them.After the colon cleansing adds,I have been laughing,to hard.Easy gets ads to enlarge,I get ads to cleanse,what am I missing.I am going to a diffrent section,it must phremones in the air


 Tiger. dont feel bad. I am a chicky.. and I get spam to.. umm. enlarge.. LOL

Phermones. OMG.. LMAO I have nheard that word since I worked at 911!!!  :lol:  :lol:

CBB  ROFL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 09, 2007, 11:47:15 PM
this place has turned into SWANKY MONKEYS  

 :shock:





 :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 09, 2007, 11:47:20 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
:shock:  :shock: HOLY COW!!!!  :shock:  :shock:  

OOOOOOOH!  Where in the heck are my muffs??  What happened to San?  For crying out loud!  I thought it was only BIG GUNS that she had.  It's more like BIG 'UNS!    :shock:  :shock:



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


San sure seems to be wearing her muffs.Wonder wher i can get a pair of those?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 09, 2007, 11:47:33 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
OK, One bazooka's firing!  :shock:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss2.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss2.gif

 :lol:

OMG this is too funny.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 09, 2007, 11:47:47 PM
Be keerful flippin' San's new bosom up and down.  You don't want to give her  black eyes... :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 09, 2007, 11:48:33 PM
and for tonights guest on the swanky monkeys radio show

we have the luscious   SAN



 8)  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 09, 2007, 11:48:49 PM
:shock:  :shock:  :shock: HOLY COW!!!!!!!!

I think I need my muffs and my blindfold for this one.  

 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 09, 2007, 11:48:50 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss3.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss3.gif

Wrong Size.

Pink Thingy???  :shock:

I'm not doing any pink thingys!

I thought Jacqualine's avatar was x rated until she told me what it was!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 09, 2007, 11:48:54 PM
Where are my muffs? oh wait I don't have muffs.. proceed!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 09, 2007, 11:50:58 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Where are my muffs? oh wait I don't have muffs.. proceed!


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:50:59 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
"the little San we know and love".  Would that be the same one that came up with the dreaded Pink Thingy?



what is that?  I am skeerd....


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  You never saw the pink thingy?   :shock:



no... so someone email me or post it...  :lol:


 San posted this.. BUT I think someone else made it and she posted it. LMAO

PINK THINGY


(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/SeeDickJK2Run.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 09, 2007, 11:51:13 PM
San-is your new nickname "Boom-Boom"?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 09, 2007, 11:51:32 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
"the little San we know and love".  Would that be the same one that came up with the dreaded Pink Thingy?



what is that?  I am skeerd....


OH NO! you didn't ask about the PINK thingy? San, do you have it handy?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 09, 2007, 11:51:46 PM
CBB  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I don't think I have the pink thingy but I'm looking


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:51:56 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Where are my muffs? oh wait I don't have muffs.. proceed!


  ROFL  Howdy Rob


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 09, 2007, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
San-is your new nickname "Boom-Boom"?

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 09, 2007, 11:52:48 PM
You all are cracking me up!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 09, 2007, 11:53:01 PM
Merciful heavens!!!   You guys are gonna get it...I have pencils but I can't find my book I am so disturbed.  I think I lost it after the bouncing bazooka...now the pink thingy...muffs please!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 09, 2007, 11:53:04 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
San-is your new nickname "Boom-Boom"?

 :lol:  :lol:


Hey.  You could be Boom Boom for more reasons than the two guns...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:53:18 PM
Oh... that pink thingy...

 I did see that... priceless... ROFLMAO...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 09, 2007, 11:54:45 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Oh... that pink thingy...

 I did see that... priceless... ROFLMAO...


Was there some other pink thingy that you had in mind Mrs.?  "oh...THAT pink thingy..."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 09, 2007, 11:55:29 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Merciful heavens!!!   You guys are gonna get it...I have pencils but I can't find my book I am so disturbed.  I think I lost it after the bouncing bazooka...now the pink thingy...muffs please!


 :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 09, 2007, 11:55:58 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
OK, One bazooka's firing!  :shock:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss2.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss2.gif

 :lol:

OMG this is too funny.


I'm thinking that  is going to throw your aim off....everybody duck!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:56:07 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Oh... that pink thingy...

 I did see that... priceless... ROFLMAO...


Was there some other pink thingy that you had in mind Mrs.?  "oh...THAT pink thingy..."


No, I was just meaning that I had seen that ... and it's so appropriate...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:56:37 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Oh... that pink thingy...

 I did see that... priceless... ROFLMAO...


Was there some other pink thingy that you had in mind Mrs.?  "oh...THAT pink thingy..."


that and I accidently hit caps instead of tab... :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 09, 2007, 11:56:37 PM
CBB can you put San's
new look over the top of this... and bring the arms up a bit to hold the guns
Just wondering


http://x1.putfile.com/9/25622334617.gif


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Altruist on July 09, 2007, 11:57:06 PM
Does anybody remember what the purpose was of the visit to Curaco (sp?) by the President GWB?  I believe it was in 2006.

Thanking you in advance.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 09, 2007, 11:57:37 PM
"Boom chicka boom.  Don't you just love it!  Chicka boom chicka boom!"  That song pops up in my head when I see San's new animated avi.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:57:58 PM
Quote from: "Altruist"
Does anybody remember what the purpose was of the visit to Curaco (sp?) by the President GWB?  I believe it was in 2006.

Thanking you in advance.


I don't have any idea...  maybe Anna would know??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 09, 2007, 11:58:13 PM
The missing woman Paige Birgfeld - Does not seem to be a current prostitute or escort... it is all not yet known or revealed. She was accused by one x husband of giving topless massages. She denied that.

Both X husbands are cooperating and LE does not think they are involved.

Personally I believe a rival pimp or escort service did not like her operating in the area.

But it's still too soon to know what happened here. The police are not talking and there do not seem to be any suspects ID.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 09, 2007, 11:59:13 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
"Boom chicka boom.  Don't you just love it!  Chicka boom chicka boom!"  That song pops up in my head when I see San's new animated avi.



thanks for that ear worm....  :lol:  :lol:

i think you have a valid point about the black eyes though.... :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 12:00:23 AM
Quote from: "Altruist"
Does anybody remember what the purpose was of the visit to Curaco (sp?) by the President GWB?  I believe it was in 2006.

Thanking you in advance.


must have totally missed that one... but it would be on the White House travel itinerary area of the website if it happened.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 12:00:35 AM
I think she had posted about being worried about her first ex husband Rob... on the Pampered Chef site...

 maybe it was a rival, but either way it's sad.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 12:02:22 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
CBB can you put San's
new look over the top of this... and bring the arms up a bit to hold the guns
Just wondering


http://x1.putfile.com/9/25622334617.gif


Maybe that should be your new temporary tricking Klaas avatar OF
Should we all be lascivious?  I am having a tough time picturing a lewd robot.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 12:03:46 AM
Nite Monkeys.....

Should I be skeered to look in tomorrow???? :lol:

Keep the faith....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 10, 2007, 12:06:20 AM
Here's 2 for ya!

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/Baghead.jpg)


(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/FieryFinger-1.jpg)

Something else that would also blow Klaas's mind would be to wear each others's avatars.   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 12:06:23 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I think she had posted about being worried about her first ex husband Rob... on the Pampered Chef site...

 maybe it was a rival, but either way it's sad.


oh it's sad alright. I have seen the pampered chef forum and saw her posts.

Just relaying what I have heard on the case... seems the x husbands are jack asses but look at this point to be not involved.... that could always change.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 12:07:42 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Here's 2 for ya!

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/Baghead.jpg)


(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/FieryFinger-1.jpg)

Something else that would also blow Klaas's mind would be to wear each others's avatars.   :wink:

Now this would be funny.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 12:07:51 AM
I am going to lie down now...I didn't find my book and I fear I broke all my pencils....hugs to Nemo.  I am taking my muffs with me, too.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 12:08:04 AM
Guess I'll go to bed too.. Good Nite Everyone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 10, 2007, 12:08:23 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "oldfart"
CBB can you put San's
new look over the top of this... and bring the arms up a bit to hold the guns
Just wondering


http://x1.putfile.com/9/25622334617.gif


Maybe that should be your new temporary tricking Klaas avatar OF
Should we all be lascivious?  I am having a tough time picturing a lewd robot.


No Mine woudl be AngieX  Biker  buddy....  with a Black bar thru the face though  :wink:   or maybe this one
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/Peek_in.gif)

I just gotta feeling Klaasend has been in lurk mode and looking for some depends reading this thread...  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
JMO of course


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 12:09:31 AM
Goonight Lala's and Rob.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 10, 2007, 12:09:35 AM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss5.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss5.gif

More bounce for the buck!
 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 12:09:51 AM
Quote from: "Altruist"
Does anybody remember what the purpose was of the visit to Curaco (sp?) by the President GWB?  I believe it was in 2006.

Thanking you in advance.


Not sure, did it have anything to do with that Joint Caribbean Lion exercise?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 12:10:41 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss5.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss5.gif

More bounce for the buck!
 :lol:

Never in a million years :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 12:11:00 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss5.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss5.gif

More bounce for the buck!
 :lol:


ROFL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 10, 2007, 12:11:26 AM
Awww.  C'mon Boom-boom.  Be a sport!  Lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 10, 2007, 12:11:28 AM
OF, Your idea is a hoot! Or should I say "Hooter"  :lol:


I'll see if I can get to it, but I need to take a shower. I'll check back in a bit!
Hope the podcast is up soon!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 10, 2007, 12:11:28 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Here's 2 for ya!

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/Baghead.jpg)


(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/FieryFinger-1.jpg)

Something else that would also blow Klaas's mind would be to wear each others's avatars.   :wink:

SunFreak2
Ohooo Ohooo
Can I borrow #1 for an AVI  and I'm betting some will want #2 reduced for part of a sig.  line

Thanks SunFreak2


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Altruist on July 10, 2007, 12:12:27 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Altruist"
Does anybody remember what the purpose was of the visit to Curaco (sp?) by the President GWB?  I believe it was in 2006.

Thanking you in advance.


Not sure, did it have anything to do with that Joint Caribbean Lion exercise?


Don't know, I'm trying to locate it through the White House website right now.  Anybody know how to spell Curaco correctly?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 12:12:34 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "oldfart"
CBB can you put San's
new look over the top of this... and bring the arms up a bit to hold the guns
Just wondering


http://x1.putfile.com/9/25622334617.gif


Maybe that should be your new temporary tricking Klaas avatar OF
Should we all be lascivious?  I am having a tough time picturing a lewd robot.


No Mine woudl be AngieX  Biker  buddy....  with a Black bar thru the face though  :wink:   or maybe this one
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/Peek_in.gif)

I just gotta feeling Klaasend has been in lurk mode and looking for some depends reading this thread...  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
JMO of course

The cage is moving pretty fast tonight :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 12:12:48 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I am going to lie down now...I didn't find my book and I fear I broke all my pencils....hugs to Nemo.  I am taking my muffs with me, too.  :roll:


 Night Lalas and Rob..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Karo on July 10, 2007, 12:13:39 AM
Curacao


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 10, 2007, 12:13:45 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Here's 2 for ya!

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/Baghead.jpg)


(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/FieryFinger-1.jpg)

Something else that would also blow Klaas's mind would be to wear each others's avatars.   :wink:

SunFreak2
Ohooo Ohooo
Can I borrow #1 for an AVI  and I'm betting some will want #2 reduced for part of a sig.  line

Thanks SunFreak2



Help yourself OF!.  

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/Baghead.jpg)

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/Baghead.jpg


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 12:13:49 AM
Nite lala'sand Rob.

Do you think this suits me? I have kinda been into the music thread lately.

(http://www.allavatars.com/avatars/data/506/5140mm-thumb.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 12:14:08 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss5.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss5.gif

More bounce for the buck!
 :lol:

Never in a million years :lol:  :lol:


  ROFLMAO  ..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 10, 2007, 12:16:21 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss5.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss5.gif

More bounce for the buck!
 :lol:

Never in a million years :lol:  :lol:


  ROFLMAO  ..


No wonder Supersan can take out a whole gang of Bad Guys! They ain't watching those pistols!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 10, 2007, 12:16:35 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OMG.. I go get a glass of chocolate milk and look at what I come back to...


San, that is excellent... but I will have a hard time finding you now... I am so used to the "sweet" little San...

Mrs. red I will change it back tomorrow.


that is up to you... it's not a bad avatar, it's just so opposite...

robots thanks for the flight info... just goes to show that julia can't even lie decently...

This is so not me :lol:

right!  Make it bigger and make it jiggle a bit!  Change is good!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 12:21:12 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss5.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss5.gif

More bounce for the buck!
 :lol:

Never in a million years :lol:  :lol:


  ROFLMAO  ..


No wonder Supersan can take out a whole gang of Bad Guys! They ain't watching those pistols!


 :wink:  You have outdone yourself with this one!!  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 12:21:16 AM
I'm calling it a night.  I hope people recognize me tomorrow. :lol:

Goodnight everyone


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 10, 2007, 12:21:35 AM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Change is good!!


So true!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 12:21:49 AM
Quote from: "San"
I'm calling it a night.  I hope people recognize me tomorrow. :lol:

Goodnight everyone


 Night SuperSan!  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 12:22:14 AM
Nite San


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 10, 2007, 12:24:09 AM
Mr Sandman. bring me a dream!

Goodnight y'all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 12:25:34 AM
Nite I'm headed out too


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 12:27:12 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "oldfart"
CBB can you put San's
new look over the top of this... and bring the arms up a bit to hold the guns
Just wondering


http://x1.putfile.com/9/25622334617.gif


Maybe that should be your new temporary tricking Klaas avatar OF
Should we all be lascivious?  I am having a tough time picturing a lewd robot.


No Mine woudl be AngieX  Biker  buddy....  with a Black bar thru the face though  :wink:   or maybe this one
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/Peek_in.gif)

I just gotta feeling Klaasend has been in lurk mode and looking for some depends reading this thread...  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
JMO of course


  :) Oldfart.. you can use my Patrick avi    :)

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/angiebd1.jpg)


http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/?action=view&current=angiebd1.jpg


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 10, 2007, 12:27:28 AM
Goodnight monkeys.  What a day...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 10, 2007, 12:29:54 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss5.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss5.gif

More bounce for the buck!
 :lol:


Does not match that was playing when I saw this...BUT close. (kinda some of the times)
 :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUv0ARBfLbM
Going Into Hiding  for a bit.... after this one

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/Baghead.jpg)

SeeYaaaByeeee all


Hope I can get back in


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 12:30:27 AM
Night all.. and TY for the laughs!!  :)
Gotta get up early  :evil:
 Gonna check emails and hit the pillow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 10, 2007, 12:32:26 AM
P.S.
Just listen to the You-tube song.... SorryyyByeeeee


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Red on July 10, 2007, 12:40:38 AM
Podcast is up on FP for your listening pleasure tonight or in the AM


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 10, 2007, 01:08:08 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Podcast is up on FP for your listening pleasure tonight or in the AM


I'm listening now..............I'll let you know what I hear this time!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dugga on July 10, 2007, 01:12:57 AM
Hiya, guys... Yep, I'm at the controls this evening. A couple of quick notes.

I was attempting to put up a new version of the video we posted yesterday, and I discovered that the blog software will not allow me to do that directly. Some of the code of the message that contained the video from yesterday afternoon had been corrupted by the editor software, so rather than have a nasty, brken, messy page online, I just took it off the home page until I repaired it.

In other news, regarding Windows Media Player streams, this is the first phase of widening the accessability of the radio program. We're on the cusp of making some changes that will probably quadruple the radio show's online audience. There's no way we could be taken seriously with just a .pls feed. the new mp3 stream (m3u format) was a simple change that didn't require any special effort. It just had never been done before. Well, it's done now. :)

If you are having trouble listening to the m3u stream, make sure that all of your software is updated. Windows Media Player will load the m3u file by default if you have a recent version - 8, 9, 10 or 11 If you've got iTunes installed, iTunes will probably associate it with the m3u stream, so the audio will play thru iTunes. Of you're on a Mac (*cough*toy*cough), m3u's will play in Quicktime by default. So, m3u is accessible by all machines by default. And, it's streamed over "port 80", which means you won't have any firewall issues. If you can surf the web, you can listen to the m3u mp3 stream.

Sorry for the tech break... Just wanted to convey a little info there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 10, 2007, 01:20:42 AM
Jossy said that Lorenzo has confirmed to many people that he is the 1/2 brother of Joran.

He says that just after he says that Lorenzo is still detained and just before he talks about his looks.

It's approximately 14 minutes into the interview.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 10, 2007, 01:24:25 AM
Thanks for all your effort, Dugga! We are very grateful monkeys!  :D

Well, all of the words are there that I was sure of, but it's Lorenzo that's confirming it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 01:30:01 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Jossy said that Lorenzo has confirmed to many people that he is the 1/2 brother of Joran.[/b]

He says that just after he says that Lorenzo is still detained and just before he talks about his looks.

It's approximately 14 minutes into the interview.


WOW!! Thanks!!


Title: OH MY Lord !!!
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on July 10, 2007, 01:43:06 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss5.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/ss5.gif

More bounce for the buck!
 :lol:


ROFL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

*********************************************
  OML I think you all finally did it this time  There go my childhood memories of superman with George Reeves  :smt046  and am now reaching for a fresh" Depends"  which are always close at hand . ROFL !  Ol Jer from Ohio

 Please excuse the larger fonts  these days my Diabetes is playing heck with my eyesight .


Title: Oh that joke again!
Post by: IBE on July 10, 2007, 02:05:07 AM
Dugga,

Thank you for all your dedication and efforts.

Quote
Of you're on a Mac (*cough*toy*cough),
Haven't heard this for years... used to be used a lot around the late 80's. But then, again, I have had Apple "toys" since 1982. :lol:  :lol: so am used to that "brand of humor" :roll: and my first modem was a 300 baud and cost $600.

  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: IBE on July 10, 2007, 02:07:34 AM
Hi Jerry,

I have missed you and I imagine many Monkeys have also. Please take care of yourself. Love, IBE


Title: Great night!
Post by: IBE on July 10, 2007, 02:12:12 AM
Anyone heard from or about Terry??? The last few pages should make him get well fast   :lol:  :lol:

Boy, will Klaas roll with laughter when she returns!!! and it's not even a fall moon! (I don't think)

Thank you San, Mrs. Red, Red, Dana, Jossy, Tim and Dugga, Lala and all Monkeys who are doing the Good Works!

Get healthier and keep safe.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Silverfox on July 10, 2007, 06:15:26 AM
Ok...

the current episode of Dana Pretzer and Scared Monkey Radio is now available for listen at Kickradio!

peace,
Silverfox


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 10, 2007, 06:55:02 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "robots"
im too old for this stuff

im 87  8)


I did read one time that the median age in Maine was 76... :shock:



 :shock: OMG....no wonder I am soooooooooo tired!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 10, 2007, 06:57:33 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "San"
It's the new me :lol:


LOL...so funny!! wait till Klaas can see that!  tell her things got a little rough while she was gone.


We should all change our avatars to something different for Klaas's homecoming........she will think she is in the twilight zone. :twisted:



LMAOOOOO! A bunch of us did that once in Yahoo/Cheetachat!! It was hilarioussss!! The person thought she was in the wrong room at first glance!  HAHaaaaa!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 10, 2007, 07:05:53 AM
Oh come on gang.......let's ALL use the 'pink thingy' as an AVY for Klaassssss'ssss return...everyone w/ that same avy, lmffaooo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Leslie on July 10, 2007, 07:49:17 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
24ora
http://www.24ora.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 08:07:55 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Jossy said that Lorenzo has confirmed to many people that he is the 1/2 brother of Joran.

He says that just after he says that Lorenzo is still detained and just before he talks about his looks.

It's approximately 14 minutes into the interview.



Good Morning, Monkeys!

YIKES!!!  Another tape like Deepak's?  I hear:

It is said in Aruba and confirmed in many people that he is the half brother, etc.

I take that to mean a RUMOR.  I don't hear Lorenzo as the one saying this at all.

Statement starts around 14:00 minutes and would like others to listen and comment on what they hear, please.

I will ask Tyler to listen as she is quite good at this, professional.  Don't know if she will or not but will try.

.
.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Peaches on July 10, 2007, 08:10:09 AM
Good morning.

Working and lurking.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 08:14:14 AM
Good Morning Everyone


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 10, 2007, 08:14:14 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Good morning.

Working and lurking.


mornin' peaches :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 08:31:18 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Jossy said that Lorenzo has confirmed to many people that he is the 1/2 brother of Joran.

He says that just after he says that Lorenzo is still detained and just before he talks about his looks.

It's approximately 14 minutes into the interview.



Good Morning, Monkeys!

YIKES!!!  Another tape like Deepak's?  I hear:

It is said in Aruba and confirmed in many people that he is the half brother, etc.

I take that to mean a RUMOR.  I don't hear Lorenzo as the one saying this at all.

Statement starts around 14:00 minutes and would like others to listen and comment on what they hear, please.

I will ask Tyler to listen as she is quite good at this, professional.  Don't know if she will or not but will try.

.
.


Jossy said that it is been has confirmed by many people that he(Lorenzo)is the half brother of Joran

My take is we are a step closer that it is fact but as of right now it is not 100% guarenteed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Karo on July 10, 2007, 08:31:46 AM
On the way out the door (sorry) but just saw this and find it interesting:

Aruba official top choice for Palm Beach County tourism chief;
Jorge Pesquera is named top choice for county Convention, Visitors chief


"If hired, Pesquera would be paid about $198,000 a year, Stuber said, a substantial cut from his $250,000 salary.

In a resume submitted with his application for the post, an executive search firm said that Pesquera played "the key role" in working behind the scenes in Aruba "to minimize the impact of the Holloway story and effectively stopped calls for boycott [sic] by some U.S. elected officials."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpcvb0710pnjul10,0,5952534.story?coll=sfla-news-palm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 10, 2007, 08:33:28 AM
Hey Gang,
I’m baaaack.  Actually been back for several days but had a houseful of company until Sunday afternoon.  I’m finally starting to catch my breath.

Had a great trip, no access to the Net so I’m in catch up mode but apparently there’s not a lot of catching up to do.  I see the raping, murdering VanDerSloots are still roaming free.

Anna – you can thank me for that little dab of rain you got last week.  Me on a motorcycle is like a rain magnet.  I didn’t make it to Mentone but I did ride up and down both sides of the Tennessee River as far south as Scottsboro.  Never got wet myself but we were either just ahead for right behind rain most of the day.
We stayed in a Bed and Breakfast in Murfreesboro, TN

San – Love the new look – Hootchie Momma!!!  What’s a guy like me gotta do to get in trouble around here?  LOL!

Just reporting in for now, I’ll check back later.  I’m in catch up mode at work too!  ARGHHH.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Destiny on July 10, 2007, 08:35:54 AM
Quote from: nonesuche
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OMG.. I go get
chuckiemouse might want to wrassle with San too  :lol:  :lol:


San I'm prowling for Chuck-mouse....when I flush him out...
you get em! :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 08:40:55 AM
Morning Everyone :D  Welcome back Dan :!:

If it is fact that Lorenzo is Joran's half brother I see more of a reason that he could be involved. If something bad did happen who better to trust than your own brother?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 08:56:12 AM
Quote from: "Karo"
On the way out the door (sorry) but just saw this and find it interesting:

Aruba official top choice for Palm Beach County tourism chief;
Jorge Pesquera is named top choice for county Convention, Visitors chief


"If hired, Pesquera would be paid about $198,000 a year, Stuber said, a substantial cut from his $250,000 salary.

In a resume submitted with his application for the post, an executive search firm said that Pesquera played "the key role" in working behind the scenes in Aruba "to minimize the impact of the Holloway story and effectively stopped calls for boycott [sic] by some U.S. elected officials."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpcvb0710pnjul10,0,5952534.story?coll=sfla-news-palm


Oh really, Pesquera must have some superpowers that I am unaware of. :roll:

This guy is a POS.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 08:58:57 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Morning Everyone :D  Welcome back Dan :!:

If it is fact that Lorenzo is Joran's half brother I see more of a reason that he could be involved. If something bad did happen who better to trust than your own brother?


Indeed *******, plus the 'cool' older brother with all the drugs??? This is a no-brainer and indicative of what a FINE job that Paulus has done as a father too !

My father developed and owned a series of resort hotels, one was on an island and the dining room spoke seven languages. Everyone on that island knew one another at least the natives and the service personnel, it was like a plate of worms all were so entertwined. It was also my first experience with real full-blown decadent behaviors, predominately driven by the middle-aged males, much like Paulus.  :roll:

Destiny I'd be happy if you just caught the tiny fullofhotair mouse in a regular old mousetrap !  :lol: He can't read king's english very well either, I make a comment there are openings to the 'sea' in the Fontein Cave which are documented for natives and miners used the openings to draw up brackish water - and chuckie twists it into a full-fledged primo opening with lights and music ocean entrance into the cave???  :lol:  :lol: Honestly who cares, he never has an original thought, just a parasite on the thoughts of others  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 08:59:05 AM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Hey Gang,
I’m baaaack.  Actually been back for several days but had a houseful of company until Sunday afternoon.  I’m finally starting to catch my breath.

Had a great trip, no access to the Net so I’m in catch up mode but apparently there’s not a lot of catching up to do.  I see the raping, murdering VanDerSloots are still roaming free.

Anna – you can thank me for that little dab of rain you got last week.  Me on a motorcycle is like a rain magnet.  I didn’t make it to Mentone but I did ride up and down both sides of the Tennessee River as far south as Scottsboro.  Never got wet myself but we were either just ahead for right behind rain most of the day.
We stayed in a Bed and Breakfast in Murfreesboro, TN

San – Love the new look – Hootchie Momma!!!  What’s a guy like me gotta do to get in trouble around here?  LOL!

Just reporting in for now, I’ll check back later.  I’m in catch up mode at work too!  ARGHHH.

Welcome back Indy.  Glad you had a good trip.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 09:01:18 AM
One has to wonder who is in charge in Palm Beach to allow the shadow of Aruba to impact them? Sounds like a prime opportunity for a letter writing campaign to me? Wait until sharon reads this  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 09:06:00 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "*******"
Morning Everyone :D  Welcome back Dan :!:

If it is fact that Lorenzo is Joran's half brother I see more of a reason that he could be involved. If something bad did happen who better to trust than your own brother?


Indeed *******, plus the 'cool' older brother with all the drugs??? This is a no-brainer and indicative of what a FINE job that Paulus has done as a father too !

My father developed and owned a series of resort hotels, one was on an island and the dining room spoke seven languages. Everyone on that island knew one another at least the natives and the service personnel, it was like a plate of worms all were so entertwined. It was also my first experience with real full-blown decadent behaviors, predominately driven by the middle-aged males, much like Paulus.  :roll:

Destiny I'd be happy if you just caught the tiny fullofhotair mouse in a regular old mousetrap !  :lol: He can't read king's english very well either, I make a comment there are openings to the 'sea' in the Fontein Cave which are documented for natives and miners used the openings to draw up brackish water - and chuckie twists it into a full-fledged primo opening with lights and music ocean entrance into the cave???  :lol:  :lol: Honestly who cares, he never has an original thought, just a parasite on the thoughts of others  :roll:


Joran basically said it all in the police car.  I listen to what my family tells me to do.  He was told to do the following:

1. Never mention that your father was with you at the casino.
2. Never say Lorenzo is your half brother.
3. Blame the Kalpoes for everything.
4. Blame Natalee and her family as much as you can without incriminating youself.
5. Lie your ass off.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 09:08:59 AM
San-

It's so true, he had his marching orders from the moment Paulus was involved. Anita just ensured all of the periphery got on the same page. I feel sure she saw the K2 as disposable, for of course they are imports and also not delicious sporters?

Anna, I listened to the podcast again too, it was difficult for me to say with 100% that Jossy said confirmed. I think we should have Easy email him, where is Easy this week?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 09:10:42 AM
Should we email Dana to ask him if he can confirm?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 09:13:43 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Should we email Dana to ask him if he can confirm?

Who ever has contact with Jossy should send him an email and ask.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 09:17:02 AM
I cannot wait for Klaas to see your avi  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 09:20:10 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I cannot wait for Klaas to see your avi  :lol:


Wait until she sees the versions a few pages back. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Frank on July 10, 2007, 09:22:22 AM
letters@sun-sentinel.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: wreck on July 10, 2007, 09:23:20 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Jossy said that Lorenzo has confirmed to many people that he is the 1/2 brother of Joran.

He says that just after he says that Lorenzo is still detained and just before he talks about his looks.

It's approximately 14 minutes into the interview.



Good Morning, Monkeys!

YIKES!!!  Another tape like Deepak's?  I hear:

It is said in Aruba and confirmed in many people that he is the half brother, etc.

I take that to mean a RUMOR.  I don't hear Lorenzo as the one saying this at all.

Statement starts around 14:00 minutes and would like others to listen and comment on what they hear, please.

I will ask Tyler to listen as she is quite good at this, professional.  Don't know if she will or not but will try.

.
.


Jossy said that it is been has confirmed by many people that he(Lorenzo)is the half brother of Joran

My take is we are a step closer that it is fact but as of right now it is not 100% guarenteed.


******* has the correct take -  IMO.

I think it is "known" to be true by many -- but no one can "prove" it without a DNA test.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: wreck on July 10, 2007, 09:25:37 AM
Quote from: "Frank"
letters@sun-sentinel.com


I think they are talking about "Palm Beach" in Aruba NOT Florida!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 09:26:01 AM
Quote from: "Frank"
letters@sun-sentinel.com


thanks Frank !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 09:28:21 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Frank"
letters@sun-sentinel.com


I think they are talking about "Palm Beach" in Aruba NOT Florida!


wreck it's Palm Beach County, that is in FL  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 10, 2007, 09:31:37 AM
Hi Guys!

I haven't "re, re-listened" yet, but I thought Jossy said that "He has confirmed to many people that he is Joran's 1/2 brother."

I'm with you guys................we need a bunch to listen!

If we all had the pink thingy the cage would look like a racetrack!  :lol:

BUT, San's GOT to keep the Superwoman avi!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Frank on July 10, 2007, 09:32:26 AM
Jim Stuber is the person to contact 561.233.3000 or 800.833.5733.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Frank on July 10, 2007, 09:41:40 AM
I sent this to his assistant:

chamilton@palmbeachfl.com

Jim,

I was shocked to read the disgusting comments on your hire of a corrupt and soulless individual, Jorge Pesquera.

I know everyone lies on their resume but this:

In a resume submitted with his application for the post, an executive search firm said that Pesquera played "the key role" in working behind the scenes in Aruba "to minimize the impact of the Holloway story and effectively stopped calls for boycott [sic] by some U.S. elected officials."


...is unacceptable.


Do your homework, as this is not only insulting, it's a lie. Jorge, like the rest of Aruba can't help themselves.

I guess, like Joran van der sloot, Jorge dropped Natalee on the beach?

Sincerely,
Frank xxxxxxxxx


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: wreck on July 10, 2007, 09:55:31 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Frank"
letters@sun-sentinel.com


I think they are talking about "Palm Beach" in Aruba NOT Florida!


wreck it's Palm Beach County, that is in FL  :?


I'm confused -- an Aruban is taking over "Tourism" in Palm Beach, FLORIDA??????

....I thought there was a Palm Beach in Aruba too!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Mere on July 10, 2007, 10:00:47 AM
Good morning monkeys...!

There is an abundance of information on Jorge Pesquera....including that he is from Puerto Rico.  If you google, you will find FP information from October, 2005.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 10:02:05 AM
yes there is a Palm Beach in Aruba but Jim Stuber is the county administrator in Palm Beach County, FL - Aruba's Jorge Pesquera is attempting to get a new position with Palm Beach County, FL

you might want to go back and read the link karo posted, ok? It has the article in the Sun-Sentinel, a FL newspaper  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: wreck on July 10, 2007, 10:03:51 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
yes there is a Palm Beach in Aruba but Jim Stuber is the county administrator in Palm Beach County, FL - Aruba's Jorge Pesquera is attempting to get a new position with Palm Beach County, FL

you might want to go back and read the link karo posted, ok? It has the article in the Sun-Sentinel, a FL newspaper  :?


 :shock: I BELIEVE you!! I'm just shocked!!!  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 10:04:00 AM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 10:06:36 AM
im going to need a LIGHT pretty soon formy CIGAR

 :smt033


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 10:08:35 AM
FRANK,

You might also be able to find information concerning Jose P's hearings before Congress, asking him to account for funding when he was in charge of PR for Puerto Rico.

I believe there was a bit of a scandal there.  Also, he is the one who is anti American although he has a cousin or other relative who is very pro American, I think Jose P has some history of seeking separatism for Puerto Rico.  

WhyteGirl who used to post here did have some things to say about him being a native of Puerto Rico but that is the place he has lots of dirt to hide.

Oh, and None, now that I think about it, this was among the first times Charliemouse called me a liar was in regard to this particular individual having a rather anti American stance!  We do go in circles.



JMO

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 10, 2007, 10:09:17 AM
Sheesh people. Read the link. It's South Florida's Palm Beach County.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpcvb0710pnjul10,0,5952534.story?coll=sfla-news-palm

Jose Pesquera, previously honcho of Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, has been chosen to lead the Palm Beach County Convention and Visitors Bureau.

You can add comments below the story.

The person who wrote the article, Mike Clary, can be reached at  mwclary@sun-sentinel or at 561-243-6629.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Mere on July 10, 2007, 10:12:46 AM
Aruba official top choice for Palm Beach County tourism chief

Jorge Pesquera is named top choice for county Convention, Visitors chief

By Mike Clary
South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Posted July 10 2007


A committee searching for a candidate to lead the Palm Beach County Convention and Visitors Bureau as it emerges from financial scandal on Monday recommended a veteran tourism chief familiar with public relations challenges.

Two years ago, Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association president Jorge Pesquera faced international calls for a tourism boycott following the disappearance of American high school student Natalee Holloway. The case of the missing Alabama vacationer, 18, became a media sensation, and remains unsolved.



LocalLinks
 
"He's been quite tested in the crisis mode," said attorney Jim Stuber, interim administrator of the bureau. "Everyone welcomes the idea that he has proven himself under difficult circumstances. He brought tourism officials and the government together and has experience with the press."

Pesquera was one of four finalists to replace longtime president and chief executive, Warren "Mac" McLaughlin, who resigned in November after employee Donna M. Duffer told police she stole $1.6 million over three years to cover gambling losses.

She has been charged with grand theft and money laundering and is awaiting trial.

Following a unanimous vote of the eight-person search committee, Pesquera's nomination to take over the nonprofit bureau will be presented to the full board of directors on Wednesday, Stuber said. Pesquera would then be invited back to Florida for an interview with the board.

"We believe we've found the right candidate at the right time for the right position," said Roy Assad, search committee chairman.

If hired, Pesquera would be paid about $198,000 a year, Stuber said, a substantial cut from his $250,000 salary.

In a resume submitted with his application for the post, an executive search firm said that Pesquera played "the key role" in working behind the scenes in Aruba "to minimize the impact of the Holloway story and effectively stopped calls for boycott [sic] by some U.S. elected officials."

Aruba, a Dutch possession in the southern Caribbean off the coast of Venezuela, attracts 1.3 million visitors a year. Palm Beach County counts some 4.4 million annual visitors, including 2.2 million hotel guests.

Pesquera is a 30-year veteran of the tourism industry who went to work in Aruba in 2004 after 10 years as head of the Puerto Rico Convention Bureau in San Juan. He holds a degree in hotel administration from Cornell University.

Since the scandal broke, Stuber said, the number of bureau board members has been cut from 35 to 17, and financial controls have been tightened.

"Now," said Stuber, who serves as outside counsel for the bureau, "we're hoping he can take the organization to the next level, rather than have to come in and clean it up. We think we've cleaned it up."

The Convention and Visitors Bureau receives about $10 million yearly in hotel bed-tax dollars to promote the county as a tourist destination.

Mike Clary can be reached at mwclary@sun-sentinel or at 561-243-6629.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: wreck on July 10, 2007, 10:14:22 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Sheesh people. Read the link. It's South Florida's Palm Beach County.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpcvb0710pnjul10,0,5952534.story?coll=sfla-news-palm

Jose Pesquera, previously honcho of Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, has been chosen to lead the Palm Beach County Convention and Visitors Bureau.

You can add comments below the story.

The person who wrote the article, Mike Clary, can be reached at  mwclary@sun-sentinel or at 561-243-6629.


I apologize for my error -- geesh!  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 10, 2007, 10:15:02 AM
Among the comments thus far are Melanie Hodge. Oranjestad, Aruba, quoting the Amigoe.com article ....

Go get 'em Monkeys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 10:15:02 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
******* has the correct take -  IMO.

I think it is "known" to be true by many -- but no one can "prove" it without a DNA test.



Well, much as I love Jossy, I don't think he is capable of proving parentage especially based on his speculation on appearance.  One of my kids bears a tremendous resemblence to Justin Timberlake, too, LOL!!!

But I don't hear him saying that Lorenzo himself makes this claim and since there is a suicide involved in this little scandal, don't want us to make that kind of a mistake lightly.  

Jossy can only repeat the rumors.  He is not magic and has no way of knowing such a thing for a fact.  Even birth records are not proof in this day and age.  Nothing short of a DNA proves anything.

JMO

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 10:16:36 AM
oh Anna I know, we're all such liars aren't we?  :roll:

on to more important things than their opinions.........good work msmarples and I have already sent several emails  to some I know who own homes or condos in that area as well. PB must be hard up for a hire  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 10, 2007, 10:17:23 AM
wreck - nothing personal; I couldn't even have said who said what. I did read the story, did a comment, and am mulling a letter. Think I'll read up on Pesquera first.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Frank on July 10, 2007, 10:19:08 AM
10.01.2005
DIARIO Editorial: Where has Jorge Pesquera been?

ORANJESTAD(AAN) ˆ First off, and with all due respect Mr. Pesquera, where were you the in the days that the American TV channels were in Aruba? Currently, you are in no position to demand equal time on American TV to counter the 'attacks' against Aruba. In particular now that Dr. Phils has called out for Americans to stop visiting Aruba. I don't believe that the strategic group can do something, especially not with the spokesperson you have appointed, I am doubtful that this will help in any way.

The only way to prevent the supposed boycott was to speak before you have spoken, that is to say during the time that the American TV channels (Cable News Networks) were in Aruba. They were disposed to concede as much space as you would have wanted, but apparently, you weren't  interested.

To you and government representatives. And please spare me your opinion of Ruben Trappenberg, because he is one of the ones who made things worse due to his not answering questions, by instead fighting with interviewers, making ridiculous accusations and diverting attention away from the incompetence and indifference of his government (employer).

Now (...) that you see that it is serious that they want to start a boycott against Aruba, you enter in a panic and want to reach out to the unproductive media to try to diminish the effects of a possible boycott.

You want to counteract a forming boycott? First begin by looking at reality in the face. Start by analyzing the accusations and see if whether they have basis or not.

Do you by any chance question Joran's release and the reasoning behind it that Joran has expressed his wishes to continue his studies as being correct? What kind of justice is this? And do you know, or are you up to  date on all of what Joran has admitted to the Polis in his first declaration?

Then why do you say "baseless accusations"? The accusations have a solid basis, believe me, it's the boycott that has no basis, because the Aruban people have given all their cooperation to find the young woman, treated the family well and with courtesy, and showed genuine interest to have the case solved.

Did the judge who came from Curaçao probably plan take the decisions he took, spoiled the case? With all due respect for the position you have taken, have you [actually] seen what happened?

The case was resolved in phases the same judge planned: first release Paul v.d. Sloot (I don't have anything against him, and don't accuse him of anything either); then he came back to release the Kalpoe brothers (second phase); and the third phase he executed now when came to set Joran free because Joran  expressed his wish to continue his studies.

I have similarly not made any accusations of any sort against the Kalpoe brothers; what I have repeated is what can be found in the Polis reports where they started pointing the fingers one against the other!


It is in the three phases here that Americans see the corruption of our justice system, the same that Van der Straaten pointed out with courage and it is on this basis that they are proposing a boycott to see if in this way the truth can come out.

You have a way to prevent the boycott, but not by your own criteria. I, Tito, Arlene and others who went on television and showed our faces, because we formed the contacts with the American TV channels to achieve this.

In my case, although you don't have to acknowledge it, I have gained the trust of the American people, because I spoke the truth to them. You should read the thousands of emails that I have received and continue to receive!

It  is the friendship I have formed with Natalee's family, and not only the family's influence, but also the channels via the family, who descended on Aruba, to have the freedom and the right to call our government and our justice system a corrupt one, confirmed for us in the same way by Jan v.d. Straaten, supported by Eric Zaandam and SPA [police union]!

It is us who have the courage to confront the truth and to speak without fear, to make a difference. Neither you nor any other group or spokesperson will arrive to where you can prevent a boycott, if you do not confront it speedily, that can do great harm to our economy.


In the end, I ask myself: where were you when the American TV channels were in Aruba? Where was the government? What have you done to prevent what is coming towards us? I consider you to be an honest person, for this reason I believe that the moment has come for you to demonstraste this by admitting that  you and the government failed barbarically in the moment where you could have done something.

It is now too late for your plan; now I will enter into action to see what influence I can have on Beth and, via her, on the channels that form part of the boycott. And it is I, again, who will have to beat at the doors of many friends that I have made who are producers of the most important Cable News Networks programs.

And I tell you here, not to commend myself and even less by arrogance, but to heed the call of the people, to help resolve the problem because they have faith in me that I can accomplish this.

(I do not know) whether I can or cannot achieve this in the comming weeks, because I don't know how deep their rage against our justice system is, which they call corrupt, nor how firm they are in their decision to launch a boycott against Aruba!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 10:19:15 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "*******"
Morning Everyone :D  Welcome back Dan :!:

If it is fact that Lorenzo is Joran's half brother I see more of a reason that he could be involved. If something bad did happen who better to trust than your own brother?


Indeed *******, plus the 'cool' older brother with all the drugs??? This is a no-brainer and indicative of what a FINE job that Paulus has done as a father too ! :roll:


Yup..He had a lot to lose besides just Joran going to prison. Whatever happened to Natalee I think it was ultimately PVDS that called the shots and decided what to do with her.

Lorenzo's Involvement is still unclear but It would be interesting to know if he had contact with Joran that day and at what time. What was PVDS doing at 4am with Joran and Natalee? Was he picking them up or dropping them off?

What did Joran say in a interview once??..I wish I would have left her with someone responsible??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: wreck on July 10, 2007, 10:19:23 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "wreck"
******* has the correct take -  IMO.

I think it is "known" to be true by many -- but no one can "prove" it without a DNA test.



Well, much as I love Jossy, I don't think he is capable of proving parentage especially based on his speculation on appearance.  One of my kids bears a tremendous resemblence to Justin Timberlake, too, LOL!!!

But I don't hear him saying that Lorenzo himself makes this claim and since there is a suicide involved in this little scandal, don't want us to make that kind of a mistake lightly.  

Jossy can only repeat the rumors.  He is not magic and has no way of knowing such a thing for a fact.  Even birth records are not proof in this day and age.  Nothing short of a DNA proves anything.

JMO

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... maybe I should quit while I'm still behind!!! :roll:

I don't think Jossy is TRYING to "prove" anything -- just that "many people" in Aruba are saying that it is indeed true.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 10:22:12 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "wreck"
******* has the correct take -  IMO.

I think it is "known" to be true by many -- but no one can "prove" it without a DNA test.



Well, much as I love Jossy, I don't think he is capable of proving parentage especially based on his speculation on appearance.  One of my kids bears a tremendous resemblence to Justin Timberlake, too, LOL!!!

But I don't hear him saying that Lorenzo himself makes this claim and since there is a suicide involved in this little scandal, don't want us to make that kind of a mistake lightly.  

Jossy can only repeat the rumors.  He is not magic and has no way of knowing such a thing for a fact.  Even birth records are not proof in this day and age.  Nothing short of a DNA proves anything.

JMO

.


... maybe I should quit while I'm still behind!!! :roll:

I don't think Jossy is TRYING to "prove" anything -- just that "many people" in Aruba are saying that it is indeed true.




And I am AGREEING with you, Wreck!

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 10:23:58 AM
I think that if rumor on the island from a majority is that Lorenzo is Paulus' son, that we can safely assume both Paulus and Lorenzo aren't disputing that fact vehemently? No we can't do a paternity test but I am so relieved to hear the KPLD is still on Aruba and they too can access all the information on Lorenzo's current detainment.

Now Anita might be disputing it  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 10:25:16 AM
Jorge Pesquera

was asked to give an accounting for missing funding before Congress from when he was in charge of Public Relations or whatever, tourism, soemthing like that, in Puerto Rico.  After that, he seemed to have an attitude about America in general.

That would be my objection to him among many things.  Why give him the chance to do it to U.S. taxpayers AGAIN!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 10:27:13 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I think that if rumor on the island from a majority is that Lorenzo is Paulus' son, that we can safely assume both Paulus and Lorenzo aren't disputing that fact vehemently? No we can't do a paternity test but I am so relieved to hear the KPLD is still on Aruba and they too can access all the information on Lorenzo's current detainment.

Now Anita might be disputing it  :lol:


And the Anybody But Joran crowd endorsing it as I originally heard this from scubajap who also tried to sell us on Leon von Loon as being a big heart throb among the desperate female American tourists.

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 10:29:25 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "*******"
Morning Everyone :D  Welcome back Dan :!:

If it is fact that Lorenzo is Joran's half brother I see more of a reason that he could be involved. If something bad did happen who better to trust than your own brother?


Indeed *******, plus the 'cool' older brother with all the drugs??? This is a no-brainer and indicative of what a FINE job that Paulus has done as a father too ! :roll:


Yup..He had a lot to lose besides just Joran going to prison. Whatever happened to Natalee I think it was ultimately PVDS that called the shots and decided what to do with her.

Lorenzo's Involvement is still unclear but It would be interesting to know if he had contact with Joran that day and at what time. What was PVDS doing at 4am with Joran and Natalee? Was he picking them up or dropping them off?

What did Joran say in a interview once??..I wish I would have left her with someone responsible??

Lorenzo's involvement is Paulus keeping this crime all in the family.  Lorenzo has the type of people working for him that can dispose or bury a body without hesitation (look at their photos when they were arrested).

Paulus was dropping Joran and a dead Natalee off at Lorenzo's at 4 am.

If I am not mistaken I believe it was Anita saying something about responsible people.  Anita was speaking for Joran but then again Anita speaks for everyone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 10:33:20 AM
I am sure the van der Sloots love the idea of involving somebody else especially somebody with a questionable reputation connected to drugs.  Denial is the last thing I would expect from Paulus and doubt Lorenzo, being reclusive, is all that aware of the rumors as I only think they came about fairly late into this despite the fact he was questioned on June 19.

ALE and KLPD would have the phone records of any contact and I note Lorenzo was only called in for questioning once.  Andres Meneses, on the other hand, six or seven times and we don't even know who he is.

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 10:34:46 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I think that if rumor on the island from a majority is that Lorenzo is Paulus' son, that we can safely assume both Paulus and Lorenzo aren't disputing that fact vehemently? No we can't do a paternity test but I am so relieved to hear the KPLD is still on Aruba and they too can access all the information on Lorenzo's current detainment.

Now Anita might be disputing it  :lol:


And the Anybody But Joran crowd endorsing it as I originally heard this from scubajap who also tried to sell us on Leon von Loon as being a big heart throb among the desperate female American tourists.

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I am sorry but scuba just reveals her own propensity toward that type of behavior with remarks like that. I've traveled extensively in my lifetime and have known many other women who did as well, even single not every self-respecting female indulges in what scuba and renfro do. The very fact Aruban posters post on SM's FP about Renfro's children's paternity says enough, she and scubajap have no shame nor any standards.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 10:45:27 AM
That would be my guess as well..Especially if the younger brothers were at the VDS house. It could be to dispose of her or to get her to Lorenzo's house for other reasons like she was injured or still unconscious.

I still wonder if Natalee did get off a call at 3am as it appears something bad happened shortly after..Would be nice to start putting rumors to rest and start putting facts on the table.. :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 10:49:00 AM
Well MF is now posting about this masquerade that Jossy referred to last night on the radio station, who is a 'key witness'  :lol:  :lol:

doesn't it make absolute sense that a key witness would broadcast over the radio?

I cannot stop laughing  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 10:49:41 AM
I can't tell by looking at people what they are capable of doing nor who their parents are.  I am also not under the impression those other pot growers work for Lorenzo any more than he might well work for them.

It appeared to me to be independent operations, thence the plants found at more than one location.

I have also known several people arrested in this area for growing majijuana but I don't think any of them would be willing to dispose of any body for anybody.  And as in Aruba, LE sometimes seems to look the other way until they have a reason to do something about it.  Ditto the neighborhood crystal meth factory.  

We all have our theories but I tend to think the initial disposal or concealment was kept between Paulus and possibly Joran for the first round.  Movement after that may have taken on a more professional  air but by professional, I mean people within law enforcement or the judiciary in Aruba.  Or possibly a Steve Croes type but certainly within the PIMP known cast of characters.

Just my theory but I do have one like everybody else who has followed this from the first.  I think Lorenzo was some of that spaghetti thrown at the wall that stuck.  Of course, I could be wrong.

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 10:50:39 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Jorge Pesquera

was asked to give an accounting for missing funding before Congress from when he was in charge of Public Relations or whatever, tourism, soemthing like that, in Puerto Rico.  After that, he seemed to have an attitude about America in general.

That would be my objection to him among many things.  Why give him the chance to do it to U.S. taxpayers AGAIN!

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Perhaps someone can post that graphic that ATA put out about a year ago griping about the decline in Aruba tourism compared to the rest of the Caribbean. Jamaica was up 17%. Pesquera is like so many of the Aruban rats leaving a sinking ship. He split before the bank could post their low 69% occupancy rate in May 2007.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 10:51:07 AM
I won't be going to Palm Beach,Fl,either.Destiny,follow the train tracks south by south west,until you reach Birmingham.You will smell peanuts and the chuckie's office is in spitting distence


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 10:52:08 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
I am sure the van der Sloots love the idea of involving somebody else especially somebody with a questionable reputation connected to drugs.  Denial is the last thing I would expect from Paulus and doubt Lorenzo, being reclusive, is all that aware of the rumors as I only think they came about fairly late into this despite the fact he was questioned on June 19.

ALE and KLPD would have the phone records of any contact and I note Lorenzo was only called in for questioning once.  Andres Meneses, on the other hand, six or seven times and we don't even know who he is.

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I think Lorenzo was brought in alot more than just once..I..I think he may have been questioned the first week,june 16th and then again on the 28th...MO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 10:58:16 AM
Does anyone know how old Lorenzo is?  Is he the product of an extra-marital affair or was he born before Anita came along?  I'm still trying to figure out how one woman would want to boink him, let alone two.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 11:00:16 AM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Does anyone know how old Lorenzo is?  Is he the product of an extra-marital affair or was he born before Anita came along?
I'm still trying to figure out how one woman would want to boink him, let alone two.


"him" is referring to Pappa Sloot.  Where's my edit button?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Does anyone know how old Lorenzo is?  Is he the product of an extra-marital affair or was he born before Anita came along?  I'm still trying to figure out how one woman would want to boink him, let alone two.


Lorenzi=o is like 26-28 yrs old I think..

Hey look what MF Posted..This must of what Lazlo was talking about last night by no more bs..


According to mf
posted on RU


Key witness comes forward in the case.
A taped interview was broadcasted on local radio last Friday and some questions answered yesterday:

The person was anonymous.
This person’s voice was altered. He was a key witness in the case and
worked with the investigating team (stayed 5 days at the Station working) and is also asked to play an important witnessrole in a possible future case.

Ambulance flight: came and went and stayed a few days at the airport. This ambulance flight was totally legal and said that the story that Julia Renfro told was not totally accurate.

Natalee did not leave with this specific plane, she did not get out via the air ambulance but through another (private)plane which the ALE and FBI has info on.

He talked about the F-16 f and that they flew on every angle. (search pattern).

He talked about Kapel di Alto Vista. He denied the rumors that Natalee got out Aruba via Alto Vista that night.

Natalee got out of the island with some inside help at the airport.

This person was a key witness for the ALE over one year and a half.

He said that Joran had no power to get Natalee out of the island.

He said that the OM never thought of Joran and his friends as the guilty ones but only used them as person of interest and as we all know they can be detained on Dutch laws based on that.

He is basically saying that he knows when and how Natalee got out of Aruba and has proven that to the ALE, but will not elaborate since he was asked not to give these details by the Prosecutor’s office. But this was 1,5 years ago.

Three person that stayed several weeks on the island, on Beth’s expense, were or are still considered people of interest by the ALE and FBI. He did not elaborate who these were, said that it was the job of the ALE to give the details.       MediaFreak


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 11:00:58 AM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Does anyone know how old Lorenzo is?  Is he the product of an extra-marital affair or was he born before Anita came along?  I'm still trying to figure out how one woman would want to boink him, let alone two.


 :lol:  :lol: I agree I think he's in his mid-20's, but someone else might have the exact age - was it in the arrest article?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 11:02:47 AM
Well, since this is such a "no brainer" I guess I am just too stupid to see the Lorenzo connection and will leave that to those of you who possess such abilities.

INDY,

Thank you for that rain.  It is ALL we have had.


But I am wondering about that SIGNATURE of Robot's now.  Maybe he is behind this drought in some manner.   Hummmm. . . . .  When the rain reached the northeastern quadrant of the state, it just dissipates strangely.  Altitude maybe.

Or Robots???

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 11:04:17 AM
*******-

Don't you think IF the ALE was not under fire they would keep such an important witness under wraps? I think perhaps this all is in response to the continued examination by the KPLD of the ALE?

what do you think?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 10, 2007, 11:06:32 AM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Does anyone know how old Lorenzo is?  Is he the product of an extra-marital affair or was he born before Anita came along?  I'm still trying to figure out how one woman would want to boink him, let alone two.


Katy's,  this is what I have to help answer some of your questions with some of the alleged stories going around.  I have no idea if this is FACT or not, BUT it makes sense to me so I apologize if its long, but here it is.
from another source:

"The story, according to neighbors of Van Rijn's mom, "this lady had an affair with PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT before he was married to his current wife, and the result was Lorenzo van Rijn." umm, okay...

Regardless, we know Lorenzo van Rijn's mother was married to a VW auto dealer, van Rijn "Sr." (for clarity sake) Together they raised the young Lorenzo van Rijn Jr., at least until his (Sr.) death. He committed suicide a couple of years ago, by hanging himself. This could explain why Lorenzo Van Rijn Jr. is so wealthy? who knows, but apparently he's also into several different things, including, the drug business, quite heavily, from what they say.

From what I've read, "Van Rijn is feared by many on the island due to the fact that so many find him so sinister. His home is one of the only homes on the island which has a basement..."

<!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-->van Rijn was brought in for questioning in Natalee's disappearance June 15."

Also, one has to wonder, why did the LE bring in Lorenzo so quickly after Natalee's disappearance?


My thinking:
Paulus van der Sloot is 53 which makes him born in 1952, he went to the University of Tilberg in 70s and Lorenzo being 23 would have been born in 1980.

Have to ask oneself in the research why would he choose Aruba to move to?
Unless perhaps Paulus had been to Aruba eh?
Perhaps got an Aruba woman pregnant
and then decided to move to Aruba.

One needs to wonder why after fighting for 20 yrs about stopping that motorway thru his families estate and getting his education, he would leave his homeland to move to Aruba?

AND then go back for a year in I think it was 2004 for a year to study.

Seems to me Paulus had a reason and therefore the reason would be the other woman in his life, Lorenzo's mother and his other son.

canadiangurl wrote:
Everyone is entitled their own opinions, I love it when new posters come here, and post thoughts and theories, rather than yell and bash people. We have seen enough of it already.
Thanks for your post Smoothrider, yes, there is some truth to your post, well maybe not truth, but rumours that have gone around about Van Rijn...
And Rammstein, I thought all along that could be possible about the half brother theory, but I forgot that the VDS's were not originally from Aruba...or were they? How long have they been on the island?
Also, I thought Van Rijn was the guy in the pic with the axe...am I wrong?
Thanks
Paul van der Sloot (or Paul van der S. as our newspapers say) first came to the island in 1991. Now knowing that Lorenzo is about 23 that would mean he was conceived about 24 years ago. That would mean 1981 or 1982 and that is a cool 10 years before Paul van der S. came to the island.
Paul van der S. lived in Boxtel for a long time (held up the construction of a highway through his families land for almost 20 years) before he went off to university and became a lawyer. These are quotes from a dutch newspaper printed 27-06-2005
After he finished his studies he did not went to work for the government, but assisted citizens that had conflicts with the government. It was in that period in Arnhem, where he met a woman Anita (teacher of Artistic Formation) and it was also there were Joran and Valentijn, two of his three suns, were born.
Ten years ago in an article from the same paper he said about his move to Aruba:
In 1991 Paul van der Sloot thought it was the time for a new job and he found one in Aruba where he was appointed for five year as lawyer for the Aruban government. The ministers were not impressed with his stance „I always first try to find a compromise. By simply prosecuting nobody gets wiser. If the authorities do something wrong I will always admit that. You must never interpret the facts differently then what they are. I am convinced that on the long run this will give better results“, According to Van der Sloot in an interview ten years ago in the Brabants Nieuwsblad.
Translations were from the Hasibokos site who translated the story from dutch.


Edited by Rammstein on 10 August 2005 at 7:09pm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 11:10:54 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
*******-

Don't you think IF the ALE was not under fire they would keep such an important witness under wraps? I think perhaps this all is in response to the continued examination by the KPLD of the ALE?

what do you think?



They want us to believe that ALE had proof 1 1/2 years ago that she skipped the island and they have let their tourism go in the toilet by not doing anything about it since? My God, the Aruban government would have done backflips if they could have proven she ran away.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 11:11:20 AM
I think the other point to ponder here is if Lorenzo's mother has lived in Aruba all of her life, or if she and Paulus knew one another from Holland, she is dutch correct?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 11:13:03 AM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
*******-

Don't you think IF the ALE was not under fire they would keep such an important witness under wraps? I think perhaps this all is in response to the continued examination by the KPLD of the ALE?

what do you think?



They want us to believe that ALE had proof 1 1/2 years ago that she skipped the island and they have let their tourism go in the toilet by not doing anything about it since? My God, the Aruban government would have done backflips if they could have proven she ran away.


exactly ! One has to wonder if Dompig and Renfro have enough concern to be on the offensive like this at this moment? I hope so ! The ALE features that ridiculous article on their own website? Something is up here....just what is the question.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 11:13:40 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
*******-

Don't you think IF the ALE was not under fire they would keep such an important witness under wraps? I think perhaps this all is in response to the continued examination by the KPLD of the ALE?

what do you think?


I doubt there is any credible witness as the call was anonymous and reported by MF on RU. I see some very desperate people in action right now and this conflicts with everything we have heard from the ALE. This is all in preperation for something..Either the KLPD is putting on the heat or they are gonna close the case..Personally I think think the heat is on and something is gonna happen soon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 11:17:01 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Jorge Pesquera

was asked to give an accounting for missing funding before Congress from when he was in charge of Public Relations or whatever, tourism, soemthing like that, in Puerto Rico.  After that, he seemed to have an attitude about America in general.

That would be my objection to him among many things.  Why give him the chance to do it to U.S. taxpayers AGAIN!

.

You are correct Anna he has a bad attitude.  There was another poster here who seemed to know about Pasquera and she couldn't stand him.  He did not like America.

I wonder if Steve Cohen gave him a recommendation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 11:17:07 AM
I hope you are right *******, I truly do !

Don't ya just love this line from what Ms Vada posted?

After he finished his studies he did not went to work for the government, but assisted citizens that had conflicts with the government.

and some wonder how Paulus knew exactly how to work the system? He worked the system over the Boxtel Freeway being built, to drive up the price all the while school children were being run over in the pre-existing roadway. Someone once sent me data from Holland on it, it was around 60 children or some horrifying large number.......I can't imagine how one sleeps at night knowing this IF you have any humanity.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 11:20:16 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
*******-

Don't you think IF the ALE was not under fire they would keep such an important witness under wraps? I think perhaps this all is in response to the continued examination by the KPLD of the ALE?

what do you think?



They want us to believe that ALE had proof 1 1/2 years ago that she skipped the island and they have let their tourism go in the toilet by not doing anything about it since? My God, the Aruban government would have done backflips if they could have proven she ran away.


exactly ! One has to wonder if Dompig and Renfro have enough concern to be on the offensive like this at this moment? I hope so ! The ALE features that ridiculous article on their own website? Something is up here....just what is the question.



It is highly doubtful KLPD would have searched the Sloot property and named Joran still a suspect only a month or so ago if this crap were legit. They don't have the time for such tomfoolery.

Or maybe they think the KLPD is in on the FBI conspiracy, LOL!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 11:24:36 AM
dayhiker anything is possible with Renfro and friends, ANYTHING  :lol:

I sure hope the KPLD uncovered who shared that video of Deepak with Roger of Scrux? I would like to hear the explanation of why that video went to a country music songwriter and some stay at home mom's to be qualified  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 11:24:56 AM
Quote from: "*******"
That would be my guess as well..Especially if the younger brothers were at the VDS house. It could be to dispose of her or to get her to Lorenzo's house for other reasons like she was injured or still unconscious.

I still wonder if Natalee did get off a call at 3am as it appears something bad happened shortly after..Would be nice to start putting rumors to rest and start putting facts on the table.. :evil:


I always thought this to be true.  This is one of the bombs that Beth is not releasing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 11:28:09 AM
Why hasn't Julia written her book yet? I would think she would want hers to launch in advance of Beth's? Such a serious journalist as she, do you suppose Anita might disapprove of Renfro taking some of the spoils in such a more public way........or were the publishers not as equally as impressed with Renfro's credentials?

hmmmmm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 10, 2007, 11:29:27 AM
I think it's odd - Amigoe.com article, the radio broadcast, the ALE web site - while supposedly KLPD is still there investigating?

Melanie Hodge is "taking ownership" of the Comments about Pasquera's new appointment to Palm Beach County Tourism post.  Post a comment if you haven't already.

Read the story here:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpcvb0710pnjul10,0,5952534.story

Comments here:
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/TQHLISI1HSQRHTQMV#lastPost


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 10, 2007, 11:30:02 AM
Hi Monkeys!  I have been away for a while so I am trying to catch up.  I read a post yesterday that stated that it was Lorenzo sitting next to Nat at the casino, is this true?  Please bear with me and my questions I will try to keep them at a minimum.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 10, 2007, 11:31:39 AM
BTW - correct name is Jorge Pesquera. I think I and others have misspelled it a few times.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 11:38:27 AM
Quote from: "JuJu"
Hi Monkeys!  I have been away for a while so I am trying to catch up.  I read a post yesterday that stated that it was Lorenzo sitting next to Nat at the casino, is this true?  Please bear with me and my questions I will try to keep them at a minimum.

Hi JuJu, people are trying to say it was Lorenzo.  It is Paulus.  It has not been confirmed to be Paulus but you can clearly see it is him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 11:40:11 AM
well Melanie must be his mistress or his wife?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 11:42:53 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well Melanie must be his mistress or his wife?  :lol:


Melanie?  I've heard that name before.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 11:43:06 AM
I just torched the bejeezus outta Palm Beach Florida, Pesquera, Aruba and the Sentinel on my blog... all backed up by facts. The words of those involved...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 11:44:26 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
I just torched the bejeezus outta Palm Beach Florida, Pesquera, Aruba and the Sentinel on my blog... all backed up by facts. The words of those involved...


Where is your blog, rob?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 11:45:21 AM
if there are phone calls made to Beth's phone or from Natalee's

my guess it would be on the cell phone BILL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 11:46:24 AM
Quote from: "robots"
if there are phone calls made to Beth's phone or from Natalee's

my guess it would be on the cell phone BILL


I still believe there was a desparate phone call from Natalie inside the Sloot home.  The noise Beth heard in the background was the monkeys next door.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 11:46:29 AM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Does anyone know how old Lorenzo is?  Is he the product of an extra-marital affair or was he born before Anita came along?
I'm still trying to figure out how one woman would want to boink him, let alone two.


"him" is referring to Pappa Sloot.  Where's my edit button?


It was said early on in the case that LVR was born prior to Paulus and Anita marrying. Paulus would likely have been around 26(?) at that time himself.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 11:47:08 AM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "robots"
if there are phone calls made to Beth's phone or from Natalee's

my guess it would be on the cell phone BILL


I still believe there was a desparate phone call from Natalie inside the Sloot home.  The noise Beth heard in the background was the monkeys next door.




 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 11:48:09 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Does anyone know how old Lorenzo is?  Is he the product of an extra-marital affair or was he born before Anita came along?
I'm still trying to figure out how one woman would want to boink him, let alone two.


"him" is referring to Pappa Sloot.  Where's my edit button?


It was said early on in the case that LVR was born prior to Paulus and Anita marrying. Paulus would likely have been around 26(?) at that time himself.


Yes, now I remember.  You have to excuse me; I'm almost as old as robots and my memory doesn't go further back than yesterday.  I'm amazed at how much information some of you retain!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 11:49:57 AM
wreck wrote;

Quote
... maybe I should quit while I'm still behind!!!


No way.......it was an easy thing to be confused by. Likely you saved me and others from getting GEESHED.   8)  8)  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 10, 2007, 11:52:21 AM
San I agree with you, I think it was Paulus.  There was a lot of conversation yesterday as to how Anita knew what Nat's panties looked like.  I believe she found them either in their house or the Apes apartment.  Do you know what the date was when Beth and Greta went to the Sloots?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on July 10, 2007, 11:55:53 AM
I could be wrong here but thought I read somewhere(maybe Joran's excerpts of his book that were alledgely stolen) that Anita was already pregnant with Joran when her and Paulus married??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on July 10, 2007, 12:02:19 PM
Hiya Monkeys

GEL:

CHAPTER 1 - ISLAND BOY


Page 1

1. his parents had Joran when she was 30, something they choose to do because they first wanted to see something from the world before having their first child

2. he was conceived in Ecuador and his pregnant mother even traveled to Egypt while carrying him

3. she even went ice skating on a frozen lake while carrying him. She fell on the ice.

4. his dad at the time worked at the social legal aid office in Arnhem

5. his mother studied at the art academy and taught at the local Lorentz College

6. she is a painter and makes art/objects of art

7. they moved to Aruba when Joran was 2 years old

8. in 1990 Paul van der Sloot was offered a job at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba.

9. they married at that time, not having done so because they so no need for a piece of paper stating they were wed. They did it to get easier visas to the island


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 10, 2007, 12:05:16 PM
More Fiction from MF:



According to mf
posted on RU


Key witness comes forward in the case.
A taped interview was broadcasted on local radio last Friday and some questions answered yesterday:

The person was anonymous.
This person’s voice was altered. He was a key witness in the case and
worked with the investigating team (stayed 5 days at the Station working) and is also asked to play an important witnessrole in a possible future case.

Ambulance flight: came and went and stayed a few days at the airport. This ambulance flight was totally legal and said that the story that Julia Renfro told was not totally accurate.

Natalee did not leave with this specific plane, she did not get out via the air ambulance but through another (private)plane which the ALE and FBI has info on.

He talked about the F-16 f and that they flew on every angle. (search pattern).

He talked about Kapel di Alto Vista. He denied the rumors that Natalee got out Aruba via Alto Vista that night.

Natalee got out of the island with some inside help at the airport.

This person was a key witness for the ALE over one year and a half.

He said that Joran had no power to get Natalee out of the island.

He said that the OM never thought of Joran and his friends as the guilty ones but only used them as person of interest and as we all know they can be detained on Dutch laws based on that.

He is basically saying that he knows when and how Natalee got out of Aruba and has proven that to the ALE, but will not elaborate since he was asked not to give these details by the Prosecutor’s office. But this was 1,5 years ago.

Three person that stayed several weeks on the island, on Beth’s expense, were or are still considered people of interest by the ALE and FBI. He did not elaborate who these were, said that it was the job of the ALE to give the details.       MediaFreak


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on July 10, 2007, 12:05:30 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Hiya Monkeys

GEL:

CHAPTER 1 - ISLAND BOY


Page 1

1. his parents had Joran when she was 30, something they choose to do because they first wanted to see something from the world before having their first child

2. he was conceived in Ecuador and his pregnant mother even traveled to Egypt while carrying him

3. she even went ice skating on a frozen lake while carrying him. She fell on the ice.

4. his dad at the time worked at the social legal aid office in Arnhem

5. his mother studied at the art academy and taught at the local Lorentz College

6. she is a painter and makes art/objects of art

7. they moved to Aruba when Joran was 2 years old

8. in 1990 Paul van der Sloot was offered a job at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba.

9. they married at that time, not having done so because they so no need for a piece of paper stating they were wed. They did it to get easier visas to the island



Thanks yap-thought I read that somewhere.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 10, 2007, 12:06:18 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Does anyone know how old Lorenzo is?  Is he the product of an extra-marital affair or was he born before Anita came along?
I'm still trying to figure out how one woman would want to boink him, let alone two.


"him" is referring to Pappa Sloot.  Where's my edit button?


It was said early on in the case that LVR was born prior to Paulus and Anita marrying. Paulus would likely have been around 26(?) at that time himself.


Joran and Val were born before they married as well.  I don't think they married until they decided to move to Aruba, if I remember the post correctly.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 12:06:37 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
More Fiction from MF:



According to mf
posted on RU


Key witness comes forward in the case.
A taped interview was broadcasted on local radio last Friday and some questions answered yesterday:

The person was anonymous.
This person’s voice was altered. He was a key witness in the case and
worked with the investigating team (stayed 5 days at the Station working) and is also asked to play an important witnessrole in a possible future case.

Ambulance flight: came and went and stayed a few days at the airport. This ambulance flight was totally legal and said that the story that Julia Renfro told was not totally accurate.

Natalee did not leave with this specific plane, she did not get out via the air ambulance but through another (private)plane which the ALE and FBI has info on.

He talked about the F-16 f and that they flew on every angle. (search pattern).

He talked about Kapel di Alto Vista. He denied the rumors that Natalee got out Aruba via Alto Vista that night.

Natalee got out of the island with some inside help at the airport.

This person was a key witness for the ALE over one year and a half.

He said that Joran had no power to get Natalee out of the island.

He said that the OM never thought of Joran and his friends as the guilty ones but only used them as person of interest and as we all know they can be detained on Dutch laws based on that.

He is basically saying that he knows when and how Natalee got out of Aruba and has proven that to the ALE, but will not elaborate since he was asked not to give these details by the Prosecutor’s office. But this was 1,5 years ago.

Three person that stayed several weeks on the island, on Beth’s expense, were or are still considered people of interest by the ALE and FBI. He did not elaborate who these were, said that it was the job of the ALE to give the details.       MediaFreak


 :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 12:08:58 PM
Thanks Yap, we needed that  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 10, 2007, 12:09:51 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Does anyone know how old Lorenzo is?  Is he the product of an extra-marital affair or was he born before Anita came along?
I'm still trying to figure out how one woman would want to boink him, let alone two.


"him" is referring to Pappa Sloot.  Where's my edit button?


It was said early on in the case that LVR was born prior to Paulus and Anita marrying. Paulus would likely have been around 26(?) at that time himself.


Joran and Val were born before they married as well.  I don't think they married until they decided to move to Aruba, if I remember the post correctly.


Sorry Yapperz, your info was better than mine, and I hadn't seen your post.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 12:13:43 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"


They want us to believe that ALE had proof 1 1/2 years ago that she skipped the island and they have let their tourism go in the toilet by not doing anything about it since? My God, the Aruban government would have done backflips if they could have proven she ran away.


exactly ! One has to wonder if Dompig and Renfro have enough concern to be on the offensive like this at this moment? I hope so ! The ALE features that ridiculous article on their own website? Something is up here....just what is the question.



Isn't this ridiculous. A year and a half ago this would have been a gift to Aruba. They would have been touting this theory all over the airwaves. Instead they send Dompig and Cohen out to say that they think Joran and the Kalpos are guilty as hell. So Aruba sat on this and let their tourim go down a craphole?

What a laugher. AHATA and the Task Force would have been on this ike flies on sh*t. Any way they could have blamed it on Beth, they would have.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 12:17:44 PM
I agree, Dayhiker.  There is no way that Aruban Law Enforcement knew of something like this one and a half years ago and didn't follow up on it.  This is total fiction.  When a story this far out surfaces now, we can be sure that the pressure is building on the perps.  Stay tuned, folks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 10, 2007, 12:19:05 PM
Quote from: "*******"
That would be my guess as well..Especially if the younger brothers were at the VDS house. It could be to dispose of her or to get her to Lorenzo's house for other reasons like she was injured or still unconscious.

I still wonder if Natalee did get off a call at 3am as it appears something bad happened shortly after..Would be nice to start putting rumors to rest and start putting facts on the table.. :evil:


Morning Monks!  I have an idea of a possible connection - conjecture purely...

I was just thinking of the movie Pulp Fiction - where Uma Thurmond OD'ed on what she thought was cocaine, but turned out to be heroin.  John Travolta flipped when he realized she had od'ed and contacted the guy he bought the drugs from, because he would know what to do. The dealer had some shots of adrenalin (or something similar) that counteracted the drugs and brought her back.

What if something similar happened in Natalee's case?  Maybe Joran took Natalee over to Lorenzo's for an attempted antidote?  

Just a thought/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 12:20:02 PM
when you start turning up the HEAT

all kinds of WACK JOBS come out of the woodwork



the HEAT is medium high, and about to be turned up to HIGH  8)


please send my cigars to

ROBOTS INC.

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 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 12:24:34 PM
Good thought process Kimmy, one has to imagine if she did OD they were an utter panic.......who better to ask than perhaps the one who supplied the drug?

I just find all of Renfro's manipulations indicative of some massive ego or need for fame herself, something is so wrong with her underneath all of this. Aruba isn't her homeland either, the US is so what did she run from in the US? There is always a backstory to be told I just no longer care about hers except to explain her complete malice.

To heap one more ounce of pain on any parent who has lost a child in this way is indicative of an utter lack of regard for the human race even those who grew up with perhaps more advantages than you or equally as important, with less.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 12:25:45 PM
Quote from: "JuJu"
San I agree with you, I think it was Paulus.  There was a lot of conversation yesterday as to how Anita knew what Nat's panties looked like.  I believe she found them either in their house or the Apes apartment.  Do you know what the date was when Beth and Greta went to the Sloots?


JuJu I believe it was June 22nd.

Here is a link from Greta.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160298,00.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 12:29:38 PM
On radio?......voice disguised? It doesn't get any more convenient than  that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 12:30:21 PM
Kimmy, I think that's a probable explanation.  If they didn't get the drugs from Lorenzo, but the GHB was supplied by C & C's bartender, then they would more than likely call on Lorenzo's expertise as someone who dealt drugs and knew about their effects.  Why call Lorenzo?
1.  He's family and thus trustworthy.
2.  He knows about drugs and their effects from his drug-dealing.
3.  He has ready access to boats that run drugs off the island and might also take a body to drop in the ocean.

Add to this phone records that indicate that calls were made to Lorenzo's area of the island in the early hours of the morning, and I think it's very likely that Lorenzo was involved.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 12:31:13 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
On radio?......voice disguised? It doesn't get any more convenient than  that.


Sounds like a very shady PR attempt to me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
I agree, Dayhiker.  There is no way that Aruban Law Enforcement knew of something like this one and a half years ago and didn't follow up on it.  This is total fiction.  When a story this far out surfaces now, we can be sure that the pressure is building on the perps.  Stay tuned, folks.



AZ, and since we know ALE leaks like a sieve there is no way we wouldn't have found out about it a year and a half ago.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 12:32:52 PM
I take that back.  Memory is fuzzy, but I believe it was phone pings that placed one of their phones near the cell tower near Lorenzo's place.  It might not be a phone call, per se.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 12:32:53 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
On radio?......voice disguised? It doesn't get any more convenient than  that.



Everybody knows Boeti's voice.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 10, 2007, 12:33:23 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
On radio?......voice disguised? It doesn't get any more convenient than  that.


Yeah - Maybe it was ELVIS. :lol:  :lol:

Thank you Thank you very much **my best Elvis impression**


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 10, 2007, 12:34:13 PM
This has been the damnedest crime story I have ever followed.  Just when I think people could not possibly get any lower, or disgusting they prove me wrong.

None of this recent BS adds up, so the big question is why now?  What do these people hope to achieve with these outlandish stories?  Does someone know that this case can not be solved, so they want to plant the idea that Natalee left the island?

I can’t help but think something is behind this assault, but I sure can’t determine what it is.  It makes them all look that much more ridiculous.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 12:34:29 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "AZLady"
I agree, Dayhiker.  There is no way that Aruban Law Enforcement knew of something like this one and a half years ago and didn't follow up on it.  This is total fiction.  When a story this far out surfaces now, we can be sure that the pressure is building on the perps.  Stay tuned, folks.



AZ, and since we know ALE leaks like a sieve there is no way we wouldn't have found out about it a year and a half ago.


Yup.  Exactly.  ALE, ATA, AHATA and all the other initials were hoping and praying for something, anything, that would indicate Natalee had left the island.  They would have shouted this from the rooftops gleefully had there been even a false rumor of this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Hiya Monkeys

GEL:

CHAPTER 1 - ISLAND BOY


Page 1

1. his parents had Joran when she was 30, something they choose to do because they first wanted to see something from the world before having their first child

2. he was conceived in Ecuador and his pregnant mother even traveled to Egypt while carrying him

3. she even went ice skating on a frozen lake while carrying him. She fell on the ice.

4. his dad at the time worked at the social legal aid office in Arnhem

5. his mother studied at the art academy and taught at the local Lorentz College

6. she is a painter and makes art/objects of art

7. they moved to Aruba when Joran was 2 years old

8. in 1990 Paul van der Sloot was offered a job at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba.

9. they married at that time, not having done so because they so no need for a piece of paper stating they were wed. They did it to get easier visas to the island


Who the hell cares where this monster was conceived. :roll:   What is the purpose of him telling the world that his mother went ice skating and she fell.  This is Anita talking and telling him to put these things in the book.

The Sloots taught their kids well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 12:35:46 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
On radio?......voice disguised? It doesn't get any more convenient than  that.



Everybody knows Boeti's voice.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


I LOVE this one dayhiker  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 12:37:39 PM
Easy, they don't seem to have the same sense of the ridiculous that we have.  The Arubans seem to think that the more fantastic something seems, the more they can sell it as being exotic and appealing.  It seems to be a Caribbean tendency--maybe the heat and humidity affects them this way.  Look at the pirate lore they glamorize, and the reality is a very dirty story.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 12:37:53 PM
Hi Easy-

It is bizarre isn't it? It's like they all don't mind appearing to be bonafide nuts???? Go figure, what could be driving this?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 12:38:07 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
This has been the damnedest crime story I have ever followed.  Just when I think people could not possibly get any lower, or disgusting they prove me wrong.

None of this recent BS adds up, so the big question is why now?  What do these people hope to achieve with these outlandish stories?  Does someone know that this case can not be solved, so they want to plant the idea that Natalee left the island?

I can’t help but think something is behind this assault, but I sure can’t determine what it is.  It makes them all look that much more ridiculous.


Why now?  Either something is about to happen or the media finally cut Julia off and she's trying anything to stay in the limelight.  Either one is fesible.  Time will tell


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 12:41:11 PM
Katysmom- I do also think this could be the last planned soundbyte they put out there prior to closing the case, this can go either way. Since all Aruba tourism is now is a place for drinking to extreme, indulging in drugs and escort services, one guesses their image can't really be hurt by such bizarre soundbytes?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Hiya Monkeys

GEL:

CHAPTER 1 - ISLAND BOY


Page 1

1. his parents had Joran when she was 30, something they choose to do because they first wanted to see something from the world before having their first child

2. he was conceived in Ecuador and his pregnant mother even traveled to Egypt while carrying him

3. she even went ice skating on a frozen lake while carrying him. She fell on the ice.

4. his dad at the time worked at the social legal aid office in Arnhem

5. his mother studied at the art academy and taught at the local Lorentz College

6. she is a painter and makes art/objects of art

7. they moved to Aruba when Joran was 2 years old

8. in 1990 Paul van der Sloot was offered a job at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba.

9. they married at that time, not having done so because they so no need for a piece of paper stating they were wed. They did it to get easier visas to the island


Who the hell cares where this monster was conceived. :roll:   What is the purpose of him telling the world that his mother went ice skating and she fell.  This is Anita talking and telling him to put these things in the book.

The Sloots taught their kids well.


Hi SuperSan.  You're right--this was written exclusively by Anita.  I wonder if that's really the reason that Paulus finally made Anita an honest woman. ( :roll: )   How convienent for her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 10, 2007, 12:42:11 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
On radio?......voice disguised? It doesn't get any more convenient than  that.


Sounds like a very shady PR attempt to me.



I should take a ride over to Stephen Kings house (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/devil10.gif)(he lives about 1/2 mile from me across town) and give him (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/listen2.gif) a script for his next endeavor ... this is all so far out of control/belief now. WHAT ELSE CAN THEY COME UP WITH to try and stall the truth from being exposed??
I wish I knew what these morons were smokin' (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/bandit.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 12:46:04 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "San"


Who the hell cares where this monster was conceived. :roll:   What is the purpose of him telling the world that his mother went ice skating and she fell.  This is Anita talking and telling him to put these things in the book.

The Sloots taught their kids well.


Hi SuperSan.  You're right--this was written exclusively by Anita.  I wonder if that's really the reason that Paulus finally made Anita an honest woman. ( :roll: )   How convienent for her.


Actually, I'm inclined to believe that Paulus took a job in Aruba--maybe he had to leave the homeland--and Anita told him he had to marry her and take her with him or he would never see his kids again.  She certainly didn't want to lose his paycheck!   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 12:46:18 PM
Remember the night Natalee went missing there was increased traffic everywhere, it was the last night of Soul Beach. More boats, planes and mostly people having after concert parties.......any drug dealers house is likely to be a popular spot particulary if it is known as a "party" house. The next day most party goers are gone........more speculation but ,  I would guess it was a busy night on the island.

http://tinyurl.com/2ka35z


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 12:46:34 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
On radio?......voice disguised? It doesn't get any more convenient than  that.


Sounds like a very shady PR attempt to me.



I should take a ride over to Stephen Kings house (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/devil10.gif)(he lives about 1/2 mile from me across town) and give him (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/listen2.gif) a script for his next endeavor ... this is all so far out of control/belief now. WHAT ELSE CAN THEY COME UP WITH to try and stall the truth from being exposed??
I wish I knew what these morons were smokin' (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/bandit.gif)



Just ask LORENZO!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 12:47:23 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
On radio?......voice disguised? It doesn't get any more convenient than  that.


Sounds like a very shady PR attempt to me.


Exactly


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 12:48:30 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
On radio?......voice disguised? It doesn't get any more convenient than  that.


Sounds like a very shady PR attempt to me.



I should take a ride over to Stephen Kings house (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/devil10.gif)(he lives about 1/2 mile from me across town) and give him (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/listen2.gif) a script for his next endeavor ... this is all so far out of control/belief now. WHAT ELSE CAN THEY COME UP WITH to try and stall the truth from being exposed??
I wish I knew what these morons were smokin' (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/bandit.gif)



Just ask LORENZO!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Ha ha ha.  With old Lorenzo in jail, I wonder if their supply dried up.  Maybe they are smokin' that Columbian **it because they can't get any home-grown anymore!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 10, 2007, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Kimmy, I think that's a probable explanation.  If they didn't get the drugs from Lorenzo, but the GHB was supplied by C & C's bartender, then they would more than likely call on Lorenzo's expertise as someone who dealt drugs and knew about their effects.  Why call Lorenzo?
1.  He's family and thus trustworthy.
2.  He knows about drugs and their effects from his drug-dealing.
3.  He has ready access to boats that run drugs off the island and might also take a body to drop in the ocean.

Add to this phone records that indicate that calls were made to Lorenzo's area of the island in the early hours of the morning, and I think it's very likely that Lorenzo was involved.



This could also account for the ATM withdrawls made on Paulus's account.  Drug dealers and the like don't do this kind of thing unless there was cash involved......family or not


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 12:49:36 PM
Quote from: "JuJu"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Kimmy, I think that's a probable explanation.  If they didn't get the drugs from Lorenzo, but the GHB was supplied by C & C's bartender, then they would more than likely call on Lorenzo's expertise as someone who dealt drugs and knew about their effects.  Why call Lorenzo?
1.  He's family and thus trustworthy.
2.  He knows about drugs and their effects from his drug-dealing.
3.  He has ready access to boats that run drugs off the island and might also take a body to drop in the ocean.

Add to this phone records that indicate that calls were made to Lorenzo's area of the island in the early hours of the morning, and I think it's very likely that Lorenzo was involved.



This could also account for the ATM withdrawls made on Paulus's account.  Drug dealers and the like don't do this kind of thing unless there was cash involved......family or not


Exactly.  You don't go to Lorenzo's house with an empty wallet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 10, 2007, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
This has been the damnedest crime story I have ever followed.  Just when I think people could not possibly get any lower, or disgusting they prove me wrong.

None of this recent BS adds up, so the big question is why now?  What do these people hope to achieve with these outlandish stories?  Does someone know that this case can not be solved, so they want to plant the idea that Natalee left the island?

I can’t help but think something is behind this assault, but I sure can’t determine what it is.  It makes them all look that much more ridiculous.


Why now?  Either something is about to happen or the media finally cut Julia off and she's trying anything to stay in the limelight.  Either one is fesible.  Time will tell


I agree - something is up - I feel like someone is getting pressure from somewhere, Kinda like when someone is confronted and they just make up the first thing that pops in their minds to try to get off the hook....Ya know - kinda freaking out, babbling crazy stuff....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 10, 2007, 12:53:23 PM
:idea: I bet the ALE and all the ALE 'good buddies' are smokin' that weed!! It it after all....in their possession now, no?? (http://bestsmileys.com/smoking/4.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 12:54:24 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"

I should take a ride over to Stephen Kings house (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/devil10.gif)(he lives about 1/2 mile from me across town) and give him (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/listen2.gif) a script for his next endeavor ... this is all so far out of control/belief now. WHAT ELSE CAN THEY COME UP WITH to try and stall the truth from being exposed??
I wish I knew what these morons were smokin' (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/bandit.gif)



I think Julia, Angela and Dompig are truly hoping for a major motion picture staring themselves as the ones to finally solve the crime and so are hoping to squeeze a few more dollars out of this by selling their story, etc.

Either that or KLPD is on the verge of bringing charges and against far more than just the suspects.  Perhaps rumor has it some corrupt officials might also be facing obstruction charges, etc.

But the first idea is the one that seems far more likely to me.


JMO

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 12:55:11 PM
San wrote;
Quote
What is the purpose of him telling the world that his mother went ice skating and she fell.


Maybe he felt it nescessary to account for his brain dammage. :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 12:56:52 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "San"


Who the hell cares where this monster was conceived. :roll:   What is the purpose of him telling the world that his mother went ice skating and she fell.  This is Anita talking and telling him to put these things in the book.

The Sloots taught their kids well.


Hi SuperSan.  You're right--this was written exclusively by Anita.  I wonder if that's really the reason that Paulus finally made Anita an honest woman. ( :roll: )   How convienent for her.


Actually, I'm inclined to believe that Paulus took a job in Aruba--maybe he had to leave the homeland--and Anita told him he had to marry her and take her with him or he would never see his kids again.  She certainly didn't want to lose his paycheck!   :roll:

How convenient that Anita gets a teaching job in Aruba also.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 12:57:04 PM
Nut  :lol:  :lol: one happy island you know

seriously I am unsure if $400 cash would persuade anyone to zoom a body to a puddle though, much less the ocean? at least not a drug dealer with sheetrock buckets of dough lying around?  :?

as for my post earlier regarding the scrux examination of the tape it's come to my attention I slammed stay at home mothers. That wasn't my intent it was more to clarify that real transcription and qualified transcription is a skill. I regret it was taken as a slam against any stay at home mother, my sincere apology please.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 12:57:08 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
:idea: I bet the ALE and all the ALE 'good buddies' are smokin' that weed!! It it after all....in their possession now, no?? (http://bestsmileys.com/smoking/4.gif)


Sounds like they might be sharing with their reporter buddies, too.

 :D

There was enough to go around.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: blah on July 10, 2007, 12:58:06 PM
Maybe KLPD is getting ready to shut the case down and call her a runaway


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 12:59:35 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "San"


Who the hell cares where this monster was conceived. :roll:   What is the purpose of him telling the world that his mother went ice skating and she fell.  This is Anita talking and telling him to put these things in the book.

The Sloots taught their kids well.


Hi SuperSan.  You're right--this was written exclusively by Anita.  I wonder if that's really the reason that Paulus finally made Anita an honest woman. ( :roll: )   How convienent for her.


Actually, I'm inclined to believe that Paulus took a job in Aruba--maybe he had to leave the homeland--and Anita told him he had to marry her and take her with him or he would never see his kids again.  She certainly didn't want to lose his paycheck!   :roll:


I'm with you, AZ; I don't believe Anita would of thought that marriage was just a piece of paper and so unnessary. They got married because she demanded it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 12:59:59 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
On radio?......voice disguised? It doesn't get any more convenient than  that.


Sounds like a very shady PR attempt to me.



I should take a ride over to Stephen Kings house (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/devil10.gif)(he lives about 1/2 mile from me across town) and give him (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/listen2.gif) a script for his next endeavor ... this is all so far out of control/belief now. WHAT ELSE CAN THEY COME UP WITH to try and stall the truth from being exposed??
I wish I knew what these morons were smokin' (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/bandit.gif)



we are close to each other


 :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 01:01:58 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
:idea: I bet the ALE and all the ALE 'good buddies' are smokin' that weed!! It it after all....in their possession now, no?? (http://bestsmileys.com/smoking/4.gif)


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thsmiley_cannabisleaf.gif)  

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thsmiley_cannabisleaf.gif)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thsmiley_cannabisleaf.gif)

Dompig, Julia and Angela?

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
:idea: I bet the ALE and all the ALE 'good buddies' are smokin' that weed!! It it after all....in their possession now, no?? (http://bestsmileys.com/smoking/4.gif)


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thsmiley_cannabisleaf.gif)  

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thsmiley_cannabisleaf.gif)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thsmiley_cannabisleaf.gif)

Dompig, Julia and Angela?

 :D



they use CRACK PIPES  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 10, 2007, 01:04:14 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Maybe KLPD is getting ready to shut the case down and call her a runaway


AND - blame the family....sounds right up their alley.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 01:05:32 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
San wrote;
Quote
What is the purpose of him telling the world that his mother went ice skating and she fell.


Maybe he felt it nescessary to account for his brain dammage. :roll:


Yes, it must have been some horrible, pre-natal injury and he is explaining.  Doesn't account for his being born without a soul, however.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 01:08:37 PM
It is actually finally raining!

Going to go and enjoy it as it won't last for long!

Very happy about this!

 :D  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 01:11:14 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "blah"
Maybe KLPD is getting ready to shut the case down and call her a runaway


AND - blame the family....sounds right up their alley.


know what's really funny about that Kimmy, if true, I would not wish to be Dompig and Renfro with these accusations attached to my head for eternity?

amazing what some will do for the almighty buck yet so are too shortsighted to see it's their name and not Aruba's that is taking the full frontal hit.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 10, 2007, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
:idea: I bet the ALE and all the ALE 'good buddies' are smokin' that weed!! It it after all....in their possession now, no?? (http://bestsmileys.com/smoking/4.gif)


Sounds like they might be sharing with their reporter buddies, too.

 :D

There was enough to go around.

.



That's what I meant by their 'good buddies'........teehee.
(http://deephousepage.com/smilies/respect.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 01:14:59 PM
Klaas should be back soon should we change our avatars now?  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 01:15:50 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Klaas should be back soon should we change our avatars now?  :twisted:



YES


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 10, 2007, 01:17:40 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "blah"
Maybe KLPD is getting ready to shut the case down and call her a runaway


AND - blame the family....sounds right up their alley.


know what's really funny about that Kimmy, if true, I would not wish to be Dompig and Renfro with these accusations attached to my head for eternity?

amazing what some will do for the almighty buck yet so are too shortsighted to see it's their name and not Aruba's that is taking the full frontal hit.


AND looking like the biggest IDIOTS to boot.

For one, I believe in the do unto others as you would have them do unto you....I can lay my head down at night and sleep peacefully, I venture to say Dompig & Renfro can't do the same.  Of course in their sick sick world, they see nothing wrong with what they do... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 01:18:46 PM
I have been to S Kings house and been properly cursed.You are lucky.IIRC,in Thinner,you have corruption,Scales,etc.I would mine those for a few jerks.I don't know much about the rose boy,(Rijn)I thought gvc was the one who made the GHB.At least KJ said so,and they had forensic evidence on him.So many perv's,so few stakes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 10, 2007, 01:19:50 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
On radio?......voice disguised? It doesn't get any more convenient than  that.


Sounds like a very shady PR attempt to me.



I should take a ride over to Stephen Kings house (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/devil10.gif)(he lives about 1/2 mile from me across town) and give him (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/listen2.gif) a script for his next endeavor ... this is all so far out of control/belief now. WHAT ELSE CAN THEY COME UP WITH to try and stall the truth from being exposed??
I wish I knew what these morons were smokin' (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/bandit.gif)



we are close to each other


 :shock:



Lmaooooo...yep, you are probably my next door neighbor and I don't even know it, lol. That would be HILARIOUS!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 01:20:53 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
On radio?......voice disguised? It doesn't get any more convenient than  that.


Sounds like a very shady PR attempt to me.



I should take a ride over to Stephen Kings house (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/devil10.gif)(he lives about 1/2 mile from me across town) and give him (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/listen2.gif) a script for his next endeavor ... this is all so far out of control/belief now. WHAT ELSE CAN THEY COME UP WITH to try and stall the truth from being exposed??
I wish I knew what these morons were smokin' (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/bandit.gif)



we are close to each other


 :shock:



Lmaooooo...yep, you are probably my next door neighbor and I don't even know it, lol. That would be HILARIOUS!




YEP, very close

i could be there in less than 8 minutes  :shock:  8)  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 01:22:00 PM
are you a boy robots... errr  ahhh i mean are you are male or female human ? 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: truthseeker2 on July 10, 2007, 01:23:42 PM
Quote from: "robots"
when you start turning up the HEAT

all kinds of WACK JOBS come out of the woodwork



the HEAT is medium high, and about to be turned up to HIGH  8)


please send my cigars to

ROBOTS INC.

200 ROBOTS DRIVE

ROBOTS USA

 8)


Ship To:
ROBOTS INC.
200 ROBOTS DRIVE
ROBOTS USA

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/songluva/cigars.jpg)

Request Proof of Delivery from recipeint!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 01:24:51 PM
Quote from: "truthseeker2"
Quote from: "robots"
when you start turning up the HEAT

all kinds of WACK JOBS come out of the woodwork



the HEAT is medium high, and about to be turned up to HIGH  8)


please send my cigars to

ROBOTS INC.

200 ROBOTS DRIVE

ROBOTS USA

 8)


Ship To:
ROBOTS INC.
200 ROBOTS DRIVE
ROBOTS USA

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/songluva/cigars.jpg)

Request Proof of Delivery from recipeint!


very good idea  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Peaches on July 10, 2007, 01:35:41 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Why hasn't Julia written her book yet? I would think she would want hers to launch in advance of Beth's? Such a serious journalist as she, do you suppose Anita might disapprove of Renfro taking some of the spoils in such a more public way........or were the publishers not as equally as impressed with Renfro's credentials?

hmmmmm


Julia has credentials? From where?  If she were such a hot shot journalist, why is she living in a hellhole publishing a tourist rag that advertises escort services and who knows what other kind of trash?  

Credentials?   Would a rap sheet constitute credentials?  

 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 10, 2007, 01:40:02 PM
Quote from: "robots"
are you a boy robots... errr  ahhh i mean are you are male or female human ? 8)



Lmao....Female, last time I checked...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 01:41:09 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "robots"
are you a boy robots... errr  ahhh i mean are you are male or female human ? 8)



Lmao....Female, last time I checked...



LOL..ok thanks  


human or robotic? 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: blah on July 10, 2007, 01:43:33 PM
so, whatever is giving me problems is on page 18 and not on page 19.  poage 19 loads no problem, 18 will not load.  Its either got to be an ad or an avatar or something....

 :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 01:44:40 PM
Quote from: "blah"
so, whatever is giving me problems is on page 18 and not on page 19.  poage 19 loads no problem, 18 will not load.  Its either got to be an ad or an avatar or something....

 :cry:


my guess is .... KLASS wreaking havic because she knows we have been scheeeeeeming up something  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: blah on July 10, 2007, 01:48:27 PM
i wonder if its an avatar, i dont see any avatars


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Peaches on July 10, 2007, 01:52:22 PM
Blah, maybe you need to clear your cookies.  8)


(That's prolly not the answer but it sounds so good when Klaas says it.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: NM on July 10, 2007, 02:05:24 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
On radio?......voice disguised? It doesn't get any more convenient than  that.


Sounds like a very shady PR attempt to me.



I should take a ride over to Stephen Kings house (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/devil10.gif)(he lives about 1/2 mile from me across town) and give him (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/listen2.gif) a script for his next endeavor ... this is all so far out of control/belief now. WHAT ELSE CAN THEY COME UP WITH to try and stall the truth from being exposed??
I wish I knew what these morons were smokin' (http://deephousepage.com/smilies/bandit.gif)


Hey Nut,
only if he promises to end the story with a mob of smiley faces blasting the H out of the murdering, raping kidnappers and accomplises!

Hey Monkeys! Long time catching up.

PS Frank I hope you don't mind but I copied the Diario editorial that you posted here to the sun sentenial.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 02:12:57 PM
Wonder how I make this my suprise avatar for Klaas? It is a sexy chick ,sure to be popular with the men

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k12/snl2552ab/sexiluv/thanksgiving/sexyTurkey.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 10, 2007, 02:13:13 PM
just peeking in and setting  my new Avi  for Klaasend..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 02:14:58 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
just peeking in and setting  my new Avi  for Klaasend..

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 02:20:10 PM
Dang I lost my gilda........now I will have to find another till I can get her back.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: NM on July 10, 2007, 02:20:31 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Blah, maybe you need to clear your cookies.  8)


(That's prolly not the answer but it sounds so good when Klaas says it.)


I hear this also works when you drink too much! :D

Hey Peaches! Thank your Mr. Peaches again for updating us on you!

Thanks to all for the wonderful news on our Terry Squirrel


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Destiny on July 10, 2007, 02:44:04 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
I won't be going to Palm Beach,Fl,either.Destiny,follow the train tracks south by south west,until you reach Birmingham.You will smell peanuts and the chuckie's office is in spitting distence


MMEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW

CHUCK....are you hiding behind the pee-nutz at FOB?

Destiny...ggrrrrooooooowwwwwwwwllllllllllllllllllll


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 02:45:37 PM
Are we setting our avi's to the infamous red X for Klaas?   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 02:47:29 PM
Looks like BB and OldFart are already red X's!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 02:48:37 PM
Did everyone go to lunch?   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 02:49:25 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Looks like BB and OldFart are already red X's!


Well, I didn't get the memo and have gone with this one.  I still think it would have been more confusing if we posted with each other's avatars but that would require too much planning.

She is prolly somewhere reading all this as it is!  

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 02:53:11 PM
Good Job that 'other' site guys. They are getting the message!!!!

Janet - you rock girl!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 02:54:00 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Looks like BB and OldFart are already red X's!


Well, I didn't get the memo and have gone with this one.  I still think it would have been more confusing if we posted with each other's avatars but that would require too much planning.

She is prolly somewhere reading all this as it is!  

 :D


HeHeHe funny


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 02:55:45 PM
What is it with MySpace and violent young people?  I swear, if you scanned the MySpace pages for violent creepo's, you might be able to actually prevent some crimes.  Here's the latest from my own backyard:
http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsdale/articles/0710sr-chronis0711-ON.html
This kid went to the same high school as my daughter, although she says she doesn't remember him.  She didn't hang out with the athletes and this kid played baseball.  He also attended and played ball at the community college where I teach, but I don't know him, either.  Very sad case.  What is it with the violence in kids these days.  His own mother felt her son was violent and might hurt his girlfriend.  Turns out he killed her and tried to take her body to Mexico to dispose of it when he was caught with her in his trunk.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 02:59:11 PM
i think we should all have the same AVATAR  :twisted:


or



all have one of Anna's   at last count i think she had over 4000 of them  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:01:03 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Did everyone go to lunch?   :lol:


Good Afternoon Monks.....popping in to say Hi..I am going to go back and read


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 10, 2007, 03:02:00 PM
What did you guys think about the "Haunting Evidence" show?  I just watched the clips Carpe posted


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 03:02:27 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i think we should all have the same AVATAR  :twisted:


or



all have one of Anna's   at last count i think she had over 4000 of them  8)


Okay by me.  I'm dressed!!!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:02:46 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Looks like BB and OldFart are already red X's!


Well, I didn't get the memo and have gone with this one.  I still think it would have been more confusing if we posted with each other's avatars but that would require too much planning.

She is prolly somewhere reading all this as it is!  

 :D


Anna...I stole an avatar you posted!  This IS ME!~  , the picture...not me  :wink: )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "robots"
i think we should all have the same AVATAR  :twisted:


or



all have one of Anna's   at last count i think she had over 4000 of them  8)


Okay by me.  I'm dressed!!!   :lol:


eheheheheehehehehhehehehehehehehehehehe


 8)  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:04:34 PM
Quote from: "JuJu"
What did you guys think about the "Haunting Evidence" show?  I just watched the clips Carpe posted


Would you repost the links to the clips ...I missed all but the last 5 minutes or so of  Haunting Evidence


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 03:05:28 PM
Quote from: "JuJu"
What did you guys think about the "Haunting Evidence" show?  I just watched the clips Carpe posted

Hi Juju.  To tell you the truth, I didn't think much of it.  It portrayed Natalee's disappearance happening just as Joran told it.  I don't agree with anything the liar says, so I don't buy that story.  I don't believe they went to the beach, and I don't believe Natalee's death was accidental.  I do think the "Haunting Evidence" show may have been influenced by Steve Cohen and his cronies from CTV, but who knows?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 03:07:36 PM
Something has happened on Mi Dushi - or Jolly Pirate - says breaking news. Not sure what this is all about.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/1299/5/#jc_allComments

web translator

UPDATE: Nos a caba di ricibi informacion cu e parti mas erg di e actividadnan rond di nos islanan a pasa caba, pero cu nos lo keda experencia biento modera y awacero local. Tambe nos a risibi noticia cu tur personanan abordo di Jolley Piratres (rectifica cu no ta Mi Dushi) a ser haña. Mas den atardi nos lo publica e potretnan.

Noticia cu nos a caba di risibi di Meteorologische Dienst di Antiyas y Aruba ta indica cu nos ta experenciando actividad nan cu biento fuerte y tambe awa sero. Actualmente nos team di 24ora.com ta den becendario di Malmok caminda cu e boto Mi Dushi lo mester a bolter cu 28 persona abordo. Nos tin entendi cu 27 di nan a landa bai canto pero cu falta un persona. Nos lo trese mas informacion aki rato. Click pa mas informacion.

Tempu: Shelu ta por lo general parsialmente nublá. Temporalmente lo bira hopi nublá i algun áwaseru lokal ku por ta kompañá pa welek i bos.

Bientu: Modera te basta fuerte for di direkshon ost; forsa 3 te 5 (13 te 39 km/ora, 7 te 21 nudo). Den dia òf durante di áwaseru, de bes en kuando fuerte te posibelmente duru; forsa 6 te 7 (40 te 61 km/ora, 22 te 33 nudo).

Situashon general: Un ola tropikal ta propagá den direkshon wèst riba e parti oriental di Caribe promoviendo asina un atmósfera faborabel pa desaroyo di nubia ku áwaseru durante di awe i pa kontinuá tambe te mayan djárason.

Kondishon di laman: Ku altura di ola di por lo general entre di 1 i 2.5 meter (3 pa 8 pia), laman lo ta poko brutu prinsipalmente den áwaseru. Ta rekomendá esnan ku ta bai laman pa tene kuenta ku esaki.

E próksimo boletín di tempu lo wòrdu publiká pa 16.00 diamars atardi.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 10, 2007, 03:08:05 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Good Job that 'other' site guys. They are getting the message!!!!

Janet - you rock girl!!!


Where did Janet post and on which thread?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 03:08:31 PM
Forgot the translation sorry..

general partially nublá. for the time being will become much nublá and some áwaseru local with can is accompany for welek and voice. bientu: modera till enough strong for of direction ost; compel 3 till 5 (13 till 39 km/ora, 7 till 21 nudo). in day or during of áwaseru, sometimes strong till posibelmente duru; compel 6 till 7 (40 till 61 km/ora, 22 till 33 nudo). situashon general: one wave tropical is advertise in direction wèst on the part eastern of caribe promoviendo so one atmósfera advantageous for desaroyo of cloud with áwaseru during of today and for continue also till mayan djárason. condition of laman: with height of wave of can will general among of 1 and 2.5 metre (3 for 8 pia), sea will is few brutu prinsipalmente in áwaseru. is commend esnan with is go sea for as bill with this. the próksimo boletín of time will wòrdu publish for 16.00 tuesday nightfall. come across


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 10, 2007, 03:09:01 PM
I didn't think there was very much to the Haunting Evidence episode, either. I was hoping for new clues or information, but it pretty much matched the beach/Fishermen's Huts story. The composite sketch was interesting as it looked nothing like Joran. Some here have said they think it looks like Guido, and I can see it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 03:10:03 PM
here's the whole translation .  . . . . .  I don't know what I was doing wrong there..

update: we owing to end of ricibi informacion cu the part more erg of the actividadnan rond of we islands owing to happen end, but cu we will stay experencia wind modera y awacero local. also we owing to risibi news cu all personanan abordo of jolley piratres (rectifica cu do not my dushi) owing to being find. more in nightfall we will publica the potretnan. news cu we owing to end of risibi of meteorologische dienst of antiyas y aruba is indica cu we is experenciando actividad they cu wind strong y also water hill. actualmente we team of 24ora.com is in becendario of malmok caminda cu the boat my sweet will have to owing to bolter cu 28 person abordo. we have entendi cu 27 of they owing to swim go canto but cu miss one person. we will bring more informacion here rato. click for more informacion. tempu: sky is can will general partially nublá. for the time being will become much nublá and some áwaseru local with can is accompany for welek and voice. bientu: modera till enough strong for of direction ost; compel 3 till 5 (13 till 39 km/ora, 7 till 21 nudo). in day or during of áwaseru, sometimes strong till posibelmente duru; compel 6 till 7 (40 till 61 km/ora, 22 till 33 nudo). situashon general: one wave tropical is advertise in direction wèst on the part eastern of caribe promoviendo so one atmósfera advantageous for desaroyo of cloud with áwaseru during of today and for continue also till mayan djárason. condition of laman: with height of wave of can will general among of 1 and 2.5 metre (3 for 8 pia), sea will is few brutu prinsipalmente in áwaseru. is commend esnan with is go sea for as bill with this. the próksimo boletín of time will wòrdu publish for 16.00 tuesday nightfall. come across


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 10, 2007, 03:11:49 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Looks like BB and OldFart are already red X's!


Well, I didn't get the memo and have gone with this one.  I still think it would have been more confusing if we posted with each other's avatars but that would require too much planning.

She is prolly somewhere reading all this as it is!  

 :D


Well, if we get in trouble - who are we gonna blame?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:11:58 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "JuJu"
What did you guys think about the "Haunting Evidence" show?  I just watched the clips Carpe posted

Hi Juju.  To tell you the truth, I didn't think much of it.  It portrayed Natalee's disappearance happening just as Joran told it.  I don't agree with anything the liar says, so I don't buy that story.  I don't believe they went to the beach, and I don't believe Natalee's death was accidental.  I do think the "Haunting Evidence" show may have been influenced by Steve Cohen and his cronies from CTV, but who knows?


I don't think Natalee was ever at the beach either....however, I do beleive it was not an intentional murder.....but I do believe they caused her death....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 03:12:28 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "robots"
i think we should all have the same AVATAR  :twisted:


or



all have one of Anna's   at last count i think she had over 4000 of them  8)


Okay by me.  I'm dressed!!!   :lol:


OK who Ya gonna be?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 03:13:41 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Looks like BB and OldFart are already red X's!


Well, I didn't get the memo and have gone with this one.  I still think it would have been more confusing if we posted with each other's avatars but that would require too much planning.

She is prolly somewhere reading all this as it is!  

 :D


Well, if we get in trouble - who are we gonna blame?


Moi? no, I will give you a hint, it starts with  ROBOT_


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 03:14:18 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "robots"
i think we should all have the same AVATAR  :twisted:


or



all have one of Anna's   at last count i think she had over 4000 of them  8)


Okay by me.  I'm dressed!!!   :lol:


OK who Ya gonna be?


Don't you recognize me?  I'm semi-famous...
 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:14:20 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
here's the whole translation .  . . . . .  I don't know what I was doing wrong there..

SNIPPED:

update: we owing to end of ricibi informacion cu the part more erg of the actividadnan rond of we islands owing to happen end, but cu we will stay experencia wind modera y awacero local. also we owing to risibi news cu all personanan abordo of jolley piratres (rectifica cu do not my dushi) owing to being find. more in nightfall


ROTFLMAO...translation??  trying to decipher these translations are a test of one's patience for sure!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:15:49 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Looks like BB and OldFart are already red X's!


Well, I didn't get the memo and have gone with this one.  I still think it would have been more confusing if we posted with each other's avatars but that would require too much planning.

She is prolly somewhere reading all this as it is!  

 :D


Well, if we get in trouble - who are we gonna blame?



RED and Dugga!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 03:15:50 PM
It sounds as if they are looking for 28 people who were aboard the Jolly Roger.  High winds and bad weather?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:16:56 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
It sounds as if they are looking for 28 people who were aboard the Jolly Roger.  High winds and bad weather?


You did better than I did for sure :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 03:17:26 PM
Actually, upon rereading, I think it says one person is missing and 27 swam to shore.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:19:49 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Actually, upon rereading, I think it says one person is missing and 27 swam to shore.


Thanks AZ....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 10, 2007, 03:21:38 PM
If we blame Robots, then are we really blaming AZ?  I am sooo confused. :lol:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 10, 2007, 03:26:11 PM
No blame, no shame.. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 10, 2007, 03:27:35 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "JuJu"
What did you guys think about the "Haunting Evidence" show?  I just watched the clips Carpe posted


Would you repost the links to the clips ...I missed all but the last 5 minutes or so of  Haunting Evidence


I am so sorry, now I can't figure out how I got to them....maybe someone with a brain can direct you......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 03:27:43 PM
No, no--it's the raptor's fault.  He made me do it.   :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 03:29:35 PM
Sunny, Carpe had them on his website, but I don't know how to get to it.  Let me see if I can find it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 10, 2007, 03:29:53 PM
Sunny, do you still need the links for Haunting Evidence?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=186158#186158


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 10, 2007, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: "JuJu"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "JuJu"
What did you guys think about the "Haunting Evidence" show?  I just watched the clips Carpe posted


Would you repost the links to the clips ...I missed all but the last 5 minutes or so of  Haunting Evidence


I am so sorry, now I can't figure out how I got to them....maybe someone with a brain can direct you......


Sunny, I don't know the links, but you can just go to YouTube and search for them; they're divided into 4 or 5 parts.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: "JuJu"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "JuJu"
What did you guys think about the "Haunting Evidence" show?  I just watched the clips Carpe posted


Would you repost the links to the clips ...I missed all but the last 5 minutes or so of  Haunting Evidence


I am so sorry, now I can't figure out how I got to them....maybe someone with a brain can direct you......


hahahaha...thanks JuJu


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on July 10, 2007, 03:31:27 PM
Afternoon Monkeys

Trying out my new identity   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:31:51 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Sunny, Carpe had them on his website, but I don't know how to get to it.  Let me see if I can find it.


Thanks....I appreciate it


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 03:31:54 PM
Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=haunting+evidence+&search=Search

They are on YouTube.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 03:32:24 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Afternoon Monkeys

Trying out my new identity   :lol:


Hi Yap you look very cute today.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Mere on July 10, 2007, 03:32:26 PM
Good afternoon monkeys.... :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:32:26 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Sunny, do you still need the links for Haunting Evidence?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=186158#186158


I sure do thanks so much!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 03:33:18 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Good afternoon monkeys.... :D


I am getting a kick out of this. Robots, can you change your clothes now?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Afternoon Monkeys

Trying out my new identity   :lol:



Yap...you skeered me!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 03:33:45 PM
Boy, are we a bunch of gorgeous avi's!  
ROFL   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 10, 2007, 03:34:40 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Afternoon Monkeys

Trying out my new identity   :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on July 10, 2007, 03:34:55 PM
Didn't mean to skeeerrr you. Showed this poor creature a pic of renho & snapped this pic when it looked   8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:34:56 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=haunting+evidence+&search=Search

They are on YouTube.


Fantastic!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 03:34:57 PM
Okay, gang, I'm off to get the nails done.  I'll be back in a while.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 03:35:11 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Afternoon Monkeys

Trying out my new identity   :lol:


  ROFLMAO !!~~

 Testing mine too.. I cant find much.. I have some good ones in my bucket but  they wont load.. Pffttttttttttttttttttttttt


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Good afternoon monkeys.... :D


Mere...you look a little cross eyed today! :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 03:36:12 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Afternoon Monkeys

Trying out my new identity   :lol:


  ROFLMAO !!~~

 Testing mine too.. I cant find much.. I have some good ones in my bucket but  they wont load.. Pffttttttttttttttttttttttt


Hey, Angie, just take Robots' avi.  Then, we blame him whenever we say something we shouldn't!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 10, 2007, 03:36:19 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Afternoon Monkeys

Trying out my new identity   :lol:


  ROFLMAO !!~~

 Testing mine too.. I cant find much.. I have some good ones in my bucket but  they wont load.. Pffttttttttttttttttttttttt


Angie - Is it true what they say about Green M & M's???? :shock:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:36:42 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Afternoon Monkeys

Trying out my new identity   :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:


Kimmy....WOW!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 03:37:09 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Afternoon Monkeys

Trying out my new identity   :lol:


  ROFLMAO !!~~

 Testing mine too.. I cant find much.. I have some good ones in my bucket but  they wont load.. Pffttttttttttttttttttttttt


Hey, Angie, just take Robots' avi.  Then, we blame him whenever we say something we shouldn't!   :lol:



 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 10, 2007, 03:37:13 PM
Rob,

Which post of Janet's are you talking about?
TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:37:42 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Didn't mean to skeeerrr you. Showed this poor creature a pic of renho & snapped this pic when it looked   8)


ROTF....that  pic would skeer anyone or anything!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Mere on July 10, 2007, 03:38:15 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "MeMere"
Good afternoon monkeys.... :D


Mere...you look a little cross eyed today! :shock:



...but I had to keep my round face so you would recognize me...!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 03:38:21 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Afternoon Monkeys

Trying out my new identity   :lol:


  ROFLMAO !!~~

 Testing mine too.. I cant find much.. I have some good ones in my bucket but  they wont load.. Pffttttttttttttttttttttttt


Angie - Is it true what they say about Green M & M's???? :shock:  :lol:


 LOL I dunno .. I have no eaten M&M;s in years.. :) IM not much of a sweet eater. A Reese cup here and there is about it for me.. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:38:25 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Okay, gang, I'm off to get the nails done.  I'll be back in a while.


Bye AZ...later and again thanks


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:39:17 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Afternoon Monkeys

Trying out my new identity   :lol:


  ROFLMAO !!~~

 Testing mine too.. I cant find much.. I have some good ones in my bucket but  they wont load.. Pffttttttttttttttttttttttt

Hi Angie...I swiped one Anna had posted...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 03:39:46 PM
YAP... I am gonna email you the one I was trying to post? I dunno if I resized it wrong? When I try yo load it says debug?
 Since I am in a bad mood. and wanna kick my ex inlaws butt.. I find it suiting.  LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 03:39:58 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Looks like BB and OldFart are already red X's!


Well, I didn't get the memo and have gone with this one.  I still think it would have been more confusing if we posted with each other's avatars but that would require too much planning.

She is prolly somewhere reading all this as it is!  

 :D


Well, if we get in trouble - who are we gonna blame?
[/b]

I vote for Robots!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 10, 2007, 03:40:06 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"

Where did Janet post and on which thread?


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpcvb0710pnjul10,0,5952534.story

Jorge Pesquera, up until recently head of AHTA, has been named to a similar position for Palm Beach County, Florida. There is a Comments section at the bottom of the article; we've been hitting it pretty hard.

Read a few pages back for more information.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:40:17 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "MeMere"
Good afternoon monkeys.... :D


Mere...you look a little cross eyed today! :shock:



...but I had to keep my round face so you would recognize me...!


hhahaha....still a cutie!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 10, 2007, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i think we should all have the same AVATAR  :twisted:


or



all have one of Anna's   at last count i think she had over 4000 of them  8)



Yep..I said that yesterday...something that Klaas created.....sompin' funny, lol.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 03:41:43 PM
Could someone help me with an avitar?  I don't have a photobucket account anymore


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 03:42:15 PM
Hey San  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 03:42:41 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Afternoon Monkeys

Trying out my new identity   :lol:


  ROFLMAO !!~~

 Testing mine too.. I cant find much.. I have some good ones in my bucket but  they wont load.. Pffttttttttttttttttttttttt

Hi Angie...I swiped one Anna had posted...


  HI Sunny~!!  :) :) I have to look at everyones names now..LOL
How are you?  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 03:43:20 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hey San  :lol:  :lol:


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:   ROFLMAO!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 03:44:11 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hey San  :lol:  :lol:


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:   ROFLMAO!!!


tell San to look please so I can change, these are getting heavy  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 03:44:26 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hey San  :lol:  :lol:


OMG :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 10, 2007, 03:44:55 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hey San  :lol:  :lol:


ROFLMAOOOOO!!!!!! :lol:  :lol:  Don't give yourself black eyes!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 03:44:59 PM
i am FREAKING OUT


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 03:45:18 PM
I checked in from work and saw everyone was changing avis, so I did too.  :D

(I hope)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 03:45:39 PM
YIKES !!!!!!! be back soon, gotta make a change  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Afternoon Monkeys

Trying out my new identity   :lol:


  ROFLMAO !!~~

 Testing mine too.. I cant find much.. I have some good ones in my bucket but  they wont load.. Pffttttttttttttttttttttttt

Hi Angie...I swiped one Anna had posted...


  HI Sunny~!!  :) :) I have to look at everyones names now..LOL
How are you?  :)

Hi Angie...I am good...settling in and finally out of the back brace again!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 03:46:37 PM
Don't change,None.I can carry them for you.I know can,also.Guido looks kinda guilty in Haunting Evidence,IMO.So does joran


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:47:00 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hey San  :lol:  :lol:


NONE..how did you DO THAT!   LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 03:47:48 PM
do ya'll notice how the men responded quickly?  :roll:

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 03:48:06 PM
Is this Scared Monkeys?I feel a little lost and confused


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 03:48:31 PM
<-------------------------------- :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 03:48:40 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hey San  :lol:  :lol:


NONE..how did you DO THAT!   LOL


I didn't, I found it somewhere long ago, forgot I even had it  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 03:49:03 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
do ya'll notice how the men responded quickly?  :roll:

 :lol:


not gonna say a word!! :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 03:49:08 PM
Hey None,of course.I am not blind.I only read your posts and not look


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 03:49:53 PM
Quote from: "robots"
<-------------------------------- :lol:


oh Anna should do Yoshi then  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 03:50:02 PM
Quote from: "robots"
<-------------------------------- :lol:

Oh robots your avatar is cute.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 03:50:04 PM
Can y'all tell what my avatar is?

It's supposed to be a mean sock monkey holding a dagger.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 03:50:22 PM
My whip isnt whipping like it does on the profile? Hmmm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 03:50:25 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i am FREAKING OUT


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Yippeeee I love Mario,........................ or are you Luigi?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 03:51:17 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Can y'all tell what my avatar is?

It's supposed to be a mean sock monkey holding a dagger.

I thought you were holding a purse.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 03:51:51 PM
BT that's the sockmonkey nightmare on elm street  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 03:51:54 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "robots"
i am FREAKING OUT


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Yippeeee I love Mario,........................ or are you Luigi?



i am mario

and i love YOSHI

we need KING KUPA  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 03:52:15 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Could someone help me with an avitar?  I don't have a photobucket account anymore


 What would you like?  I can TRY and help?  lol
You can use that M&M one I had up if you liked it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 03:52:40 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
My whip isnt whipping like it does on the profile? Hmmm



 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
im a little skeeeeeeeeered

but i also like it  8)


im still freaking out


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 03:53:02 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Can y'all tell what my avatar is?

It's supposed to be a mean sock monkey holding a dagger.


Don't be mad but I was gonna say a sock monkey lady of the evening if you know what I mean....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 03:53:12 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Could someone help me with an avitar?  I don't have a photobucket account anymore


katysmom how about this? (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/avatars/funnies/A_1140853_0_Celebrities.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 03:53:43 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Can y'all tell what my avatar is?

It's supposed to be a mean sock monkey holding a dagger.

I thought you were holding a purse.


Well, pffftttt!!!!

I was gonna look mean and stab the bad guys while you shoot em!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 03:53:44 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
My whip isnt whipping like it does on the profile? Hmmm


Your whip has gone limp.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 03:53:53 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Could someone help me with an avitar?  I don't have a photobucket account anymore


 What would you like?  I can TRY and help?  lol
You can use that M&M one I had up if you liked it?

I believe there are some avatars in the lounge that Anna posted also.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 03:54:06 PM
BT I found another one for you (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/avatars/funnies/mornin.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 03:54:19 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "robots"
i am FREAKING OUT


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Yippeeee I love Mario,........................ or are you Luigi?



i am mario

and i love YOSHI

we need KING KUPA  8)



(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/music.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 03:54:23 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Can y'all tell what my avatar is?

It's supposed to be a mean sock monkey holding a dagger.


Don't be mad but I was gonna say a sock monkey lady of the evening if you know what I mean....


A sexy sock monkey!!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Could someone help me with an avitar?  I don't have a photobucket account anymore


 What would you like?  I can TRY and help?  lol
You can use that M&M one I had up if you liked it?


Anything would be fine, if you don't mind.  I'm getting a little cold being neked


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 10, 2007, 03:55:38 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Can y'all tell what my avatar is?

It's supposed to be a mean sock monkey holding a dagger.

I thought you were holding a purse.


Well, pffftttt!!!!

I was gonna look mean and stab the bad guys while you shoot em!!!!!


 :lol:  :lol: I thought it was a purse too!  Maybe you could add some mean looking eyebrows??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 03:56:05 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
My whip isnt whipping like it does on the profile? Hmmm


Your whip has gone limp.



 LOL It seems to be working now BB..
The mood I am in right now. I could sure use it on my ex hubby .. :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: sharon on July 10, 2007, 03:56:10 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
One has to wonder who is in charge in Palm Beach to allow the shadow of Aruba to impact them? Sounds like a prime opportunity for a letter writing campaign to me? Wait until sharon reads this  :lol:


 :evil:  :evil:

They just put my power back on, so I'm just catching up.

Already made my comment on the SunSentinel site, though :lol:

I agree -- a letter writing campaign is needed.

To the citizens of Palm Beach County.

To potential tourists of Palm Beach County.

To the colleagues and suboridinates of this position. (did you know that the employees of the National hurricane center just got their new Director 'transferred'??).

Maybe Pesquera can hook up with Ernesto. Or those other pukes in Broward.

Avoid Aruba
Avoid Palm Beach FL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 10, 2007, 03:56:12 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
My whip isnt whipping like it does on the profile? Hmmm


Your whip has gone limp.


 :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 03:56:57 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
BT I found another one for you (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/avatars/funnies/mornin.gif)


TY, None.

I like it!!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 03:57:11 PM
here's a look alike for anita  :lol:

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/f735f890.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Mere on July 10, 2007, 03:57:27 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"

Where did Janet post and on which thread?


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpcvb0710pnjul10,0,5952534.story

Jorge Pesquera, up until recently head of AHTA, has been named to a similar position for Palm Beach County, Florida. There is a Comments section at the bottom of the article; we've been hitting it pretty hard.

Read a few pages back for more information.


Monkeys...you need to read the comments...there are some monkeys to be proud of....I wonder if the Sun Sentinel and the Palm Beach area expected this....!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 03:58:00 PM
here's a good guy one

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/animated115.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 03:58:34 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "robots"
i am FREAKING OUT


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Yippeeee I love Mario,........................ or are you Luigi?



i am mario

and i love YOSHI

we need KING KUPA  8)



(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/music.gif)


bringing back mammories.....errrr ahh i mean MEMORIES of last night
with all the JUGGLING going on


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 03:58:57 PM
I could use help to get my hero as my Avi,Alfred E.Newman.I am very skerred,but why worry


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 04:00:14 PM
None,No nipples are showing on the anita avi,plus to clean


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 04:00:53 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Could someone help me with an avitar?  I don't have a photobucket account anymore


 What would you like?  I can TRY and help?  lol
You can use that M&M one I had up if you liked it?


Anything would be fine, if you don't mind.  I'm getting a little cold being neked


http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/?action=view&current=MrTaterHead.gif

Which is this: (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/MrTaterHead.gif)


Im still looking..  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 04:00:54 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Can y'all tell what my avatar is?

It's supposed to be a mean sock monkey holding a dagger.


it looks like someone brushing their teeth???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 04:01:34 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Can y'all tell what my avatar is?

It's supposed to be a mean sock monkey holding a dagger.


it looks like someone brushing their teeth???


It is now. None found me a different one.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 04:01:57 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
BT I found another one for you (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/avatars/funnies/mornin.gif)


TY, None.

I like it!!  :D


I saw it and I HAD to buy it for you  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 04:02:38 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Could someone help me with an avitar?  I don't have a photobucket account anymore


 What would you like?  I can TRY and help?  lol
You can use that M&M one I had up if you liked it?


Anything would be fine, if you don't mind.  I'm getting a little cold being neked


http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/?action=view&current=MrTaterHead.gif

Which is this: (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/MrTaterHead.gif)


Im still looking..  :)


Mr Tater Head is fine.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 04:03:20 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
BT I found another one for you (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/avatars/funnies/mornin.gif)


TY, None.

I like it!!  :D


I saw it and I HAD to buy it for you  :lol:


Well, it looks extremely expensive and suave and stylish, so I appreciate it ever so much!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 04:03:47 PM
Hi Sharon-

What is your take on the Director of the Hurricane center's outing? It seems he objected to not having a piece of tracking equipment updated? His staff outted him it appears.........and yes, I think every board member on the committee to review this Jorge fella needs quite a bit of enlightment to go along with his resume !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 04:04:02 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
I could use help to get my hero as my Avi,Alfred E.Newman.I am very skerred,but why worry

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/AENewman.jpg)

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/AENewman.jpg
Tiger, copy this link and paste it in the 3rd line where the avatars are in your profile.  The line that says Link to off-site Avatar:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 04:04:04 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Could someone help me with an avitar?  I don't have a photobucket account anymore


 What would you like?  I can TRY and help?  lol
You can use that M&M one I had up if you liked it?


Anything would be fine, if you don't mind.  I'm getting a little cold being neked


http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/?action=view&current=MrTaterHead.gif

Which is this: (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/MrTaterHead.gif)


Im still looking..  :)


(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/MrTaterHead.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 04:05:20 PM
Angie, I copied the url from your mr tater head and I got this message when I tried to download it:
The avatar filetype must be .jpg, .gif or .png


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 04:06:10 PM
here's a couple more this one reminds me of Angie  :lol:

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/image001.gif)

I like this one too (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/duckling-swim.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 04:07:44 PM
Katysmom

The M&M?

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/A_1141051_0_Humor.gif)


Miss Piggy?
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/MissPiggy.jpg)


Oscar the grouch?  <I should have this one..lol>

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/oscargrch.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 04:08:28 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
here's a couple more this one reminds me of Angie  :lol:

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/image001.gif)

I like this one too (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/duckling-swim.gif)


 8)  Shake your groove thang!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 04:08:40 PM
Elvis anyone?
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/elvisgar.gif)

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/mm.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 04:09:30 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Katysmom

The M&M?

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/A_1141051_0_Humor.gif)


Miss Piggy?
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/MissPiggy.jpg)


MISS PIGGY!

Oscar the grouch?  <I should have this one..lol>

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/oscargrch.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 04:13:10 PM
Hi Klaas

Welcome home!

Are ya rich?  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 04:13:22 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Angie, I copied the url from your mr tater head and I got this message when I tried to download it:
The avatar filetype must be .jpg, .gif or .png


Hmmm try this or one of the others I posted?

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/surfer.gif)


http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/surfer.gif


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 04:13:56 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"

Where did Janet post and on which thread?


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpcvb0710pnjul10,0,5952534.story

Jorge Pesquera, up until recently head of AHTA, has been named to a similar position for Palm Beach County, Florida. There is a Comments section at the bottom of the article; we've been hitting it pretty hard.

Read a few pages back for more information.


Monkeys...you need to read the comments...there are some monkeys to be proud of....I wonder if the Sun Sentinel and the Palm Beach area expected this....!


Just read the comments, thanks for the heads-up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 04:15:16 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Hi Klaas

Welcome home!

Are ya rich?  :D


 :shock:  It should take her awhiel to catch up? I see shes back too.
 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 04:15:38 PM
Am I in the right place?  ROFLMAO :lol:  :lol:

No, not rich.  Made a deposit, expect a new casino to be built soon...ha ha.

Need to check my email, will BRB


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 10, 2007, 04:16:01 PM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpcvb0710pnjul10,0,5952534.story


Quote
Aruba official top choice for Palm Beach County tourism chief

Jorge Pesquera is named top choice for county Convention, Visitors chief


By Mike Clary
South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Posted July 10 2007

A committee searching for a candidate to lead the Palm Beach County Convention and Visitors Bureau as it emerges from financial scandal on Monday recommended a veteran tourism chief familiar with public relations challenges.

Two years ago, Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association president Jorge Pesquera faced international calls for a tourism boycott following the disappearance of American high school student Natalee Holloway. The case of the missing Alabama vacationer, 18, became a media sensation, and remains unsolved.
 
"He's been quite tested in the crisis mode," said attorney Jim Stuber, interim administrator of the bureau. "Everyone welcomes the idea that he has proven himself under difficult circumstances. He brought tourism officials and the government together and has experience with the press."


(more at link)

There's a Comments section, and contact info for the writer of the article.

If you haven't already done so ...

And my avatar is ... Miss Marple, as seen in "the British Museum."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Mere on July 10, 2007, 04:16:01 PM
Hi Klaas.....we missed you....not that anyone did anything out of sorts....however I did go to bed early last night..... :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 04:16:41 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Am I in the right place?  ROFLMAO :lol:  :lol:

No, not rich.  Made a deposit, expect a new casino to be built soon...ha ha.

Need to check my email, will BRB


the wise old owl?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 04:17:17 PM
Ms. Marple

LOVE the avatar! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 04:17:56 PM
Now I get this message!
General Error
 
Unable to upload file

DEBUG MODE

Line : 251
File : usercp_avatar.php
 
  :shock:  

Thanks for trying, I appreciate it.  I'll spend some time tonight trying to figure it out


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 04:18:11 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Hi Klaas.....we missed you....not that anyone did anything out of sorts....however I did go to bed early last night..... :shock:


what a riot, your avi and the shocked emoticon are a perfect fit  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Mere on July 10, 2007, 04:18:37 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Ms. Marple

LOVE the avatar! :D


Me too....!

...and I love the owl, Klaas


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 04:19:03 PM
SSshhhhhh behave Klaas is back.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 04:20:15 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Am I in the right place?  ROFLMAO :lol:  :lol:

No, not rich.  Made a deposit, expect a new casino to be built soon...ha ha.

Need to check my email, will BRB


UH OH do you think she noticed anything different?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: sharon on July 10, 2007, 04:20:21 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Rob,

Which post of Janet's are you talking about?
TIA


If he hasn't answered  -- he's referring to the comment section on the Sun Sentinel article about Pesquera.

(I'm still way behind -- I apologize if this has been answered)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 04:20:33 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"

Where did Janet post and on which thread?


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpcvb0710pnjul10,0,5952534.story

Jorge Pesquera, up until recently head of AHTA, has been named to a similar position for Palm Beach County, Florida. There is a Comments section at the bottom of the article; we've been hitting it pretty hard.

Read a few pages back for more information.


Monkeys...you need to read the comments...there are some monkeys to be proud of....I wonder if the Sun Sentinel and the Palm Beach area expected this....!


Just read the comments, thanks for the heads-up.


  TY Mere!  I took a look as well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Mere on July 10, 2007, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Now I get this message!
General Error
 
Unable to upload file

DEBUG MODE

Line : 251
File : usercp_avatar.php
 
  :shock:  

Thanks for trying, I appreciate it.  I'll spend some time tonight trying to figure it out


Are you on AOL?  If so, you can save any picture to "My Pictures" and ......then in your SM profile....browse....click on the picture when it comes up....it will be in the first slot....and submit.....this works for me.... :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Now I get this message!
General Error
 
Unable to upload file

DEBUG MODE

Line : 251
File : usercp_avatar.php
 
  :shock:  

Thanks for trying, I appreciate it.  I'll spend some time tonight trying to figure it out

Katysmom, Klaas can probably upload an avatar for you when she is caught up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 10, 2007, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Am I in the right place?  ROFLMAO :lol:  :lol:

No, not rich.  Made a deposit, expect a new casino to be built soon...ha ha.

Need to check my email, will BRB


UH OH do you think she noticed anything different?


I don't think so, just act natural!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dugga on July 10, 2007, 04:25:04 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Now I get this message!
General Error
 
Unable to upload file

DEBUG MODE

Line : 251
File : usercp_avatar.php
 
  :shock:  

Thanks for trying, I appreciate it.  I'll spend some time tonight trying to figure it out

Is this on our end? Is everyone else able to upload their avatars? If this is a sitewide issue, I'd like to see if this is something I can repair (even though it'll soon be moot as we move to SMF). Although http upload can be tricky on some machines. If it's working for some and not others, it's probably something specific to your computer, Katysmom. If I can help, holla back.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 04:27:06 PM
OK - I'm not going to read all the way back.  On Dana's show Monday did Dana ask Jossy about LORENZO?  Do we know if LORENZO is still detained?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 04:27:10 PM
Quote from: Katysmom
Now I get this message!
General Error
 
Unable to upload file

DEBUG MODE

Line : 251
File : usercp_avatar.php
 
  :shock:  

Thanks for trying, I appreciate it.  I'll spend some time tonight trying to figure it out[/quote

IM sorry  :oops:  Maybe there are some ion the lounge that Anna posted!

Ummm HI KLAAS!  back   :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 04:27:58 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
OK - I'm not going to read all the way back.  On Dana's show Monday did Dana ask Jossy about LORENZO?  Do we know if LORENZO is still detained?


 YEP~!  He is STILL in the pokey!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 04:28:17 PM
For those Monkeys that do not recognize my avatar, it is Sisyphus. In short  synopsis Sisyphus was punished by the Gods for his trickery and was sentenced to eternally roll a boulder up a steep mountain. Before he could get to the top, the rock would get away from him and he would have to repeat it over and over.............lots of days I feel like Sisyphus.  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: "Dugga"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Now I get this message!
General Error
 
Unable to upload file

DEBUG MODE

Line : 251
File : usercp_avatar.php
 
  :shock:  

Thanks for trying, I appreciate it.  I'll spend some time tonight trying to figure it out

Is this on our end? Is everyone else able to upload their avatars? If this is a sitewide issue, I'd like to see if this is something I can repair (even though it'll soon be moot as we move to SMF). Although http upload can be tricky on some machines. If it's working for some and not others, it's probably something specific to your computer, Katysmom. If I can help, holla back.


Dugga, I doubt it is on your end.  I'm so computer illiterate, it's not funny.  I'll figure it out!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 04:30:30 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
For those Monkeys that do not recognize my avatar, it is Sisyphus. In short  synopsis Sisyphus was punished by the Gods for his trickery and was sentenced to eternally roll a boulder up a steep mountain. Before he could get to the top, the rock would get away from him and he would have to repeat it over and over.............lots of days I feel like Sisyphus.  :)


 I can feel for yah BB .. trust me  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: pdh3 on July 10, 2007, 04:31:03 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
For those Monkeys that do not recognize my avatar, it is Sisyphus. In short  synopsis Sisyphus was punished by the Gods for his trickery and was sentenced to eternally roll a boulder up a steep mountain. Before he could get to the top, the rock would get away from him and he would have to repeat it over and over.............lots of days I feel like Sisyphus.  :)




I can so relate....... :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 04:32:25 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
For those Monkeys that do not recognize my avatar, it is Sisyphus. In short  synopsis Sisyphus was punished by the Gods for his trickery and was sentenced to eternally roll a boulder up a steep mountain. Before he could get to the top, the rock would get away from him and he would have to repeat it over and over.............lots of days I feel like Sisyphus.  :)

I don't recognize anyone, including myself  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 04:33:24 PM
NEXT QUESTION:  What is this "key witness" that MF at RU is talking about.  MF is saying this guy is claiming Natalee left Aruba?  


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 04:34:01 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
For those Monkeys that do not recognize my avatar, it is Sisyphus. In short  synopsis Sisyphus was punished by the Gods for his trickery and was sentenced to eternally roll a boulder up a steep mountain. Before he could get to the top, the rock would get away from him and he would have to repeat it over and over.............lots of days I feel like Sisyphus.  :)

I don't recognize anyone, including myself  :lol:


 :lol:  I suppose we were just a WEE bit naughty while you were away!
Did you see my post?  Lorenzo is still in the pokey..  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 04:34:09 PM
well mom it all started when CBB came in last night and..........

well..........we all laughed too, we were all guilty but she started it  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 10, 2007, 04:35:34 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Am I in the right place?  ROFLMAO :lol:  :lol:

No, not rich.  Made a deposit, expect a new casino to be built soon...ha ha.

Need to check my email, will BRB


LMAOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 04:35:47 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
NEXT QUESTION:  What is this "key witness" that MF at RU is talking about.  MF is saying this guy is claiming Natalee left Aruba?  


Jossy doesn't know who this person is, he stated last night they were on a radio show yesterday with their voice altered......he felt to corroborate Renfro and Dompig's lies and yes he stated they are full of you know what!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: sharon on July 10, 2007, 04:35:49 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi Sharon-

What is your take on the Director of the Hurricane center's outing? It seems he objected to not having a piece of tracking equipment updated? His staff outted him it appears.........and yes, I think every board member on the committee to review this Jorge fella needs quite a bit of enlightment to go along with his resume !


ok -- I got to here so far. sorry -- I always read back first. :lol:

None -- with my electrical 'upgrade', I'm really behind in everything -- including the local news.

Just started hearing it late last week -- and this morning I heard he had been transferred temporarily and a new 'acting' director was appointed.

It seemed to happen very quickly.

And of course, I'm more worried about IT'S HURRICANE SEASON and I feel sorry for whoever has to take that job on without any ramp up time.

I'm worried about the comments that the director made. I would like to find out more. The NHC was pretty much destroyed by Andrew in '92 and rebuilt -- it's within 10 miles of where I live. I would like to think that the equipment is state of the art. It's the NHC, for goodness sake. :shock:

I thought the NHC did a great job 2 years ago with Katrina and Wilma (the 2 that romped thru S Florida)

I'll let you know what I find out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 04:36:36 PM
IIIIIIiiiiiiiiii didn't do it .....................ROBOTS made me do it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well mom it all started when CBB came in last night and..........

well..........we all laughed too, we were all guilty but she started it  :lol:


 :lol:  yeah.. San locked the cage as fast as lightning.. we said imagine her with holsters and the draw of guns.  :shock:  It escualted from there. LMAO  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 04:38:35 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well mom it all started when CBB came in last night and..........

well..........we all laughed too, we were all guilty but she started it  :lol:


 :lol:  yeah.. San locked the cage as fast as lightning.. we said imagine her with holsters and the draw of guns.  :shock:  It escualted from there. LMAO  :lol:  :lol:


Yea she put on these big muffs and tried to shoot us!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 04:40:06 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well mom it all started when CBB came in last night and..........

well..........we all laughed too, we were all guilty but she started it  :lol:


 :lol:  yeah.. San locked the cage as fast as lightning.. we said imagine her with holsters and the draw of guns.  :shock:  It escualted from there. LMAO  :lol:  :lol:


Yea she put on these big muffs and tried to shoot us!


 Yep. what BB Said.. and its CBBs  fault.. 8)  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 04:40:06 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well mom it all started when CBB came in last night and..........

well..........we all laughed too, we were all guilty but she started it  :lol:


 :lol:  yeah.. San locked the cage as fast as lightning.. we said imagine her with holsters and the draw of guns.  :shock:  It escualted from there. LMAO  :lol:  :lol:


Yea she put on these big muffs and tried to shoot us!

I didn't have the muffs Lala's did.  I had the bazookas. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 04:41:19 PM
Quote from: San
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well mom it all started when CBB came in last night and..........

well..........we all laughed too, we were all guilty but she started it  :lol:


 :lol:  yeah.. San locked the cage as fast as lightning.. we said imagine her with holsters and the draw of guns.  :shock:  It escualted from there. LMAO  :lol:  :lol:


Yea she put on these big muffs and tried to shoot us!

I didn't have the muffs Lala's did.  I had the bazookas. :lol:[/quote

 I think if Klaas .. when and if she has time. and goes back to see the bouncing SuperSan.. she will truly get a kick out of it.. LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 04:41:47 PM
ROBOTS made me do it!!!!   I swear...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 04:42:23 PM
Katysmom - I gave you Miss Piggy for now.  I can change it for you anytime, let me know.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 04:42:51 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
ROBOTS made me do it!!!!   I swear...


You weren't supposed to read that. 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 04:42:53 PM
San, did those bazookas really bounce?   :shock:
Wow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Mere on July 10, 2007, 04:43:09 PM
Quote from: Angiex911dsptchr
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well mom it all started when CBB came in last night and..........

well..........we all laughed too, we were all guilty but she started it  :lol:


 :lol:  yeah.. San locked the cage as fast as lightning.. we said imagine her with holsters and the draw of guns.  :shock:  It escualted from there. LMAO  :lol:  :lol:


Yea she put on these big muffs and tried to shoot us!

I didn't have the muffs Lala's did.  I had the bazookas. :lol:[/quote

 I think if Klaas .. when and if she has time. and goes back to see the bouncing SuperSan.. she will truly get a kick out of it.. LOL


are you talking about boom boom..... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 04:43:24 PM
Angie - ROFLMAO I already saw it!  I was thinking this place sure changed while I was gone, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 04:43:56 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "AZLady"
ROBOTS made me do it!!!!   I swear...


You weren't supposed to read that. 8)


OOpps I thought you were Robots.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 04:44:10 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Katysmom - I gave you Miss Piggy for now.  I can change it for you anytime, let me know.


THANK YOU SO MUCH!!  WELCOME HOME


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 10, 2007, 04:45:00 PM
HEY KLAAS!!!  I am so happy you are back!

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f324/HEYJUD/monkey1.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Mere on July 10, 2007, 04:45:06 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Katysmom - I gave you Miss Piggy for now.  I can change it for you anytime, let me know.


THANK YOU SO MUCH!!  WELCOME HOME


Ohhh...that is perfect....!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 04:45:51 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Angie - ROFLMAO I already saw it!  I was thinking this place sure changed while I was gone, lol  :lol:



 8)   Some great laughs for sure. I like Sans new look.. 8)
I do have to keep looking at our screenames to see who is who.. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 04:46:56 PM
Just wait until Klaas reads back and sees ALL of CBB's handiwork  :lol:

it was all too funny  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 04:47:10 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "AZLady"
ROBOTS made me do it!!!!   I swear...


You weren't supposed to read that. 8)


OOpps I thought you were Robots.


Ha ha ha ha ha!   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 10, 2007, 04:47:23 PM
Utt Ohh

Klaasend  Back.... :shock:

Remember  everone to   (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/sm_logo_R.jpg)

Back to work

BBL
SeeeYaaaByeeee


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 04:47:39 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
ROBOTS made me do it!!!!   I swear...

AZLady I thought you were Robots until I read your second post :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 04:48:02 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Angie - ROFLMAO I already saw it!  I was thinking this place sure changed while I was gone, lol  :lol:


Welcome back Klaas everything was fine. We have also been commenting today on the hiring of Jorge Pesquera to lead the Palm Beach County Convention and Visitors Bureau.

http://tinyurl.com/2abc8f


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 04:48:08 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "AZLady"
ROBOTS made me do it!!!!   I swear...


You weren't supposed to read that. 8)


OOpps I thought you were Robots.


Ha ha ha ha ha!   :wink:


I'm incognito, masquerading as ROBOTS!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 04:48:51 PM
who was it that wanted this one?

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/alfrede.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 10, 2007, 04:49:14 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
NEXT QUESTION:  What is this "key witness" that MF at RU is talking about.  MF is saying this guy is claiming Natalee left Aruba?  


as usual MF is full of ssssshhhhheeeeeeeeeeeettttttttttttttttttttttttt :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 04:49:27 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Katysmom - I gave you Miss Piggy for now.  I can change it for you anytime, let me know.


THANK YOU SO MUCH!!  WELCOME HOME


I should warn you Kermit might swoon over you  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 04:49:31 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
who was it that wanted this one?

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/alfrede.jpg)

Tiger


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 04:50:02 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
who was it that wanted this one?

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/alfrede.jpg)


 I think it was Tiger.. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 04:50:27 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Angie - ROFLMAO I already saw it!  I was thinking this place sure changed while I was gone, lol  :lol:


Welcome back Klaas everything was fine. We have also been commenting today on the hiring of Jorge Pesquera to lead the Palm Beach County Convention and Visitors Bureau.

http://tinyurl.com/2abc8f


Yeah - got an email on that one.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 10, 2007, 04:51:05 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
NEXT QUESTION:  What is this "key witness" that MF at RU is talking about.  MF is saying this guy is claiming Natalee left Aruba?  

IMO  :arrow:   It is nothing. Not a legitimate witness, nothing. Just something scraped up to support the latest *theories* by Renfro and co.

Also i see it as having no bearing on what KLPD will, or will not, do. Not related to the ongoing NH investigation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 10, 2007, 04:52:53 PM
KLAAS Did you see the front page post.. the interview with Red, Cohen and Joe T from long ago?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 04:53:37 PM
Can you believe it?  First Pesquera leaves Puerto Rico under a cloud of suspicion.  Then he leaves Aruba after the deplorable job his office did in trying to cover up the crimes against Natalee.   Palm Beach County is certainly not doing any background research before hiring him in a tourist affiliated job.  What a poor job this search committee did!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 04:54:20 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Katysmom - I gave you Miss Piggy for now.  I can change it for you anytime, let me know.


THANK YOU SO MUCH!!  WELCOME HOME


I should warn you Kermit might swoon over you  :lol:


I wouldn't know how to act!  It's been a few years since anyone's swooned over me


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 04:55:06 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NEXT QUESTION:  What is this "key witness" that MF at RU is talking about.  MF is saying this guy is claiming Natalee left Aruba?  

IMO  :arrow:   It is nothing. Not a legitimate witness, nothing. Just something scraped up to support the latest *theories* by Renfro and co.

Also i see it as having no bearing on what KLPD will, or will not, do. Not related to the ongoing NH investigation.


I found it interresting though that this witness claims the Medjet was at the airport legitimately.  Doesn't that go against Renfro's article?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 04:55:12 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Can you believe it?  First Pesquera leaves Puerto Rico under a cloud of suspicion.  Then he leaves Aruba after the deplorable job his office did in trying to cover up the crimes against Natalee.   Palm Beach County is certainly not doing any background research before hiring him in a tourist affiliated job.  What a poor job this search committee did!


....and they pay him $250,000. dollars!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Can you believe it?  First Pesquera leaves Puerto Rico under a cloud of suspicion.  Then he leaves Aruba after the deplorable job his office did in trying to cover up the crimes against Natalee.   Palm Beach County is certainly not doing any background research before hiring him in a tourist affiliated job.  What a poor job this search committee did!


....and they pay him $250,000. dollars!


Yes, that's what Aruba paid him.  Highly overpaid, if you ask me!  Palm Beach County proposes to pay him a bit less than $200,000/year--way too much money to throw away on this bozo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 10, 2007, 05:00:01 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NEXT QUESTION:  What is this "key witness" that MF at RU is talking about.  MF is saying this guy is claiming Natalee left Aruba?  

IMO  :arrow:   It is nothing. Not a legitimate witness, nothing. Just something scraped up to support the latest *theories* by Renfro and co.

Also i see it as having no bearing on what KLPD will, or will not, do. Not related to the ongoing NH investigation.


I found it interresting though that this witness claims the Medjet was at the airport legitimately.  Doesn't that go against Renfro's article?

Yes, he did say Renfro was wrong on that but even Glenda/Renfro has diluted her own Medjet story. There are just too many unbelievable aspects to the remainder of this report. IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 05:01:50 PM
Yes,it was me and that was the avi.I like it,so none keep yours,it is uplifting.Hehe I think the humor bug has broken out.I let Broward county and my Chamber of Commerce know how I felt.I think I should avoid Ft Lauderdale,for a few years or decades.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 05:02:36 PM
And, if Aruba can pay Pesquero $250,000, I think someone there should check the payroll!  Twice!!  That says a lot for the old Aruban bank account, doesn't it?  Those people without jobs in Aruba, paying those recently raised utility bills, should ask why someone is worth a quarter of a million dollars a year to cover up the disappearance of an American tourist girl.  Now, that's outrageous!

If they paid Pesquero a quarter of a million dollars a year, I wonder what they paid Steve Cohen and the rest of the cover-up gang?  Hey, Aruba, someone is throwing your hard-earned money at people like this who are sending your reputation down the toilet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 05:02:40 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NEXT QUESTION:  What is this "key witness" that MF at RU is talking about.  MF is saying this guy is claiming Natalee left Aruba?  

IMO  :arrow:   It is nothing. Not a legitimate witness, nothing. Just something scraped up to support the latest *theories* by Renfro and co.

Also i see it as having no bearing on what KLPD will, or will not, do. Not related to the ongoing NH investigation.


I found it interresting though that this witness claims the Medjet was at the airport legitimately.  Doesn't that go against Renfro's article?


Yes, she said the airport officials didn't know about the plane being there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: sharon on July 10, 2007, 05:04:13 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Can you believe it?  First Pesquera leaves Puerto Rico under a cloud of suspicion.  Then he leaves Aruba after the deplorable job his office did in trying to cover up the crimes against Natalee.   Palm Beach County is certainly not doing any background research before hiring him in a tourist affiliated job.  What a poor job this search committee did!


I found the original press release from 2/07 where they appointed Jim Stuber as 'acting' in this capacity until a permanaent person was found.

They claimed they were using an exec search agency to conduct a 'national' search. Last time I checked, that POS dirty smelly craggy rock that they call an island is not part of the same NATION that PBC is part of  :evil:

(they also had a picture of Stuber. A lawyer. It's obvious that he picks out his own clothes when he dresses :lol: )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 10, 2007, 05:04:28 PM
Even Lazlo, again, called BS on MF.

She must have called her KLPD hotline again! :batman:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 05:04:47 PM
Is Renfro able to read?Is she married and does she have connections?It must be good to put on your resume,that I helped cover up a murder,rape,and drugs,plus help the guilty get away with.Is Broward county tourist sensative?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 05:06:01 PM
Kermit called,and he is looking for his love?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 05:06:31 PM
Quote from: "sharon"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Can you believe it?  First Pesquera leaves Puerto Rico under a cloud of suspicion.  Then he leaves Aruba after the deplorable job his office did in trying to cover up the crimes against Natalee.   Palm Beach County is certainly not doing any background research before hiring him in a tourist affiliated job.  What a poor job this search committee did!


I found the original press release from 2/07 where they appointed Jim Stuber as 'acting' in this capacity until a permanaent person was found.

They claimed they were using an exec search agency to conduct a 'national' search. Last time I checked, that POS dirty smelly craggy rock that they call an island is not part of the same NATION that PBC is part of  :evil:

(they also had a picture of Stuber. A lawyer. It's obvious that he picks out his own clothes when he dresses :lol: )


he must be related to joe T then, sharkskin suits?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 10, 2007, 05:07:41 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Yes,it was me and that was the avi.I like it,so none keep yours,it is uplifting.Hehe I think the humor bug has broken out.I let Broward county and my Chamber of Commerce know how I felt.I think I should avoid Ft Lauderdale,for a few years or decades.


Ft Lauderdale is in Broward County where they can't vote right, not Palm Beach County where they hire idiots like Pesquerea


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 10, 2007, 05:08:49 PM
this is very confusing!  HI KLAAS!! Did you win big??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 10, 2007, 05:09:16 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NEXT QUESTION:  What is this "key witness" that MF at RU is talking about.  MF is saying this guy is claiming Natalee left Aruba?  


as usual MF is full of ssssshhhhheeeeeeeeeeeettttttttttttttttttttttttt :wink:



Apparently he is.....This was just osted at FOB by a new poster called Mother Nature...
MotherNature wrote:
    This should have its own thread, but I don't know how to start one. You can believe it or not, I could care less. I have only posted on a message board once or twice, but you people are getting ridiculous.
    The FBI knows exactly what happened to Natalee, and so does Beth. Our FBI was monitoring that island long before Natalee went missing.  Why do you think Aruba was so upset?  
    Remember Senator Baccus' words "wiretaps" I would say, along with satellite images.
    The FBI told Beth early on that they had to look at the big picture, but don't worry, the truth will come out sooner or later.
    Will anyone pay for what happened to Natalee? I doubt if any one person will pay with jail time, But I believe Aruba will pay for years to come. They made a bad mistake when they decided on this course of action.
    Remember that Natalee is not the only American missing on that island. Lets' hope she is the last.
    If anyone here wants to trace my ISP, I wish you would, than you would see where I am located and where I get my information from.        MOTHER NATURE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: sharon on July 10, 2007, 05:10:34 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Is Renfro able to read?Is she married and does she have connections?It must be good to put on your resume,that I helped cover up a murder,rape,and drugs,plus help the guilty get away with.Is Broward county tourist sensative?


What do you mean by 'tourist sensitive' Tiger?

They cleaned up the 'strip' (spring breakers heaven) a few years ago and changed a few laws and began to enforce a few more. Tried to encourage the spring breakers to go elsewhere. It worked. (They still have a large crowd -- but not as large, and not as destructive)

Strategically they were trying to become more family oriented.

But Pesquera is going to Palm Beach County. (Boca Raton. Delray Beach. Palm Beach. West Palm Beach.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 10, 2007, 05:11:01 PM
Klaas,

Are you all caught up?  Guess that's a stupid question.. :lol:

Welcome back....love all the avatars!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: wreck on July 10, 2007, 05:12:44 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NEXT QUESTION:  What is this "key witness" that MF at RU is talking about.  MF is saying this guy is claiming Natalee left Aruba?  


as usual MF is full of ssssshhhhheeeeeeeeeeeettttttttttttttttttttttttt :wink:



Apparently he is.....This was just osted at FOB by a new poster called Mother Nature...
MotherNature wrote:
    This should have its own thread, but I don't know how to start one. You can believe it or not, I could care less. I have only posted on a message board once or twice, but you people are getting ridiculous.
    The FBI knows exactly what happened to Natalee, and so does Beth. Our FBI was monitoring that island long before Natalee went missing.  Why do you think Aruba was so upset?  
    Remember Senator Baccus' words "wiretaps" I would say, along with satellite images.
    The FBI told Beth early on that they had to look at the big picture, but don't worry, the truth will come out sooner or later.
    Will anyone pay for what happened to Natalee? I doubt if any one person will pay with jail time, But I believe Aruba will pay for years to come. They made a bad mistake when they decided on this course of action.
    Remember that Natalee is not the only American missing on that island. Lets' hope she is the last.
    If anyone here wants to trace my ISP, I wish you would, than you would see where I am located and where I get my information from.        MOTHER NATURE


No, I'm not "Mother Nature" -- :wink:   Sounds like me though!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 05:13:26 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Even Lazlo, again, called BS on MF.

She must have called her KLPD hotline again! :batman:

Sure would like to know how she gets her info  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 10, 2007, 05:15:31 PM
Sorry, but this is too cute not to share!

Parker says ROLL TIDE!

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f324/HEYJUD/rolltide.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 10, 2007, 05:17:06 PM
FOR KLAAS>>>>
per MF/on RU

Key witness comes forward in the case.

A taped interview was broadcasted on local radio last Friday and some questions answered yesterday:

The person was anonymous.
This person’s voice was altered. He was a key witness in the case and
worked with the investigating team (stayed 5 days at the Station working) and is also asked to play an important witnessrole in a possible future case.

Ambulance flight: came and went and stayed a few days at the airport. This ambulance flight was totally legal and said that the story that Julia Renfro told was not totally accurate.

Natalee did not leave with this specific plane, she did not get out via the air ambulance but through another (private)plane which the ALE and FBI has info on.

He talked about the F-16 f and that they flew on every angle. (search pattern).

He talked about Kapel di Alto Vista. He denied the rumors that Natalee got out Aruba via Alto Vista that night.

Natalee got out of the island with some inside help at the airport.

This person was a key witness for the ALE over one year and a half.

He said that Joran had no power to get Natalee out of the island.

He said that the OM never thought of Joran and his friends as the guilty ones but only used them as person of interest and as we all know they can be detained on Dutch laws based on that.

He is basically saying that he knows when and how Natalee got out of Aruba and has proven that to the ALE, but will not elaborate since he was asked not to give these details by the Prosecutor’s office. But this was 1,5 years ago.

Three person that stayed several weeks on the island, on Beth’s expense, were or are still considered people of interest by the ALE and FBI. He did not elaborate who these were, said that it was the job of the ALE to give the details.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: sharon on July 10, 2007, 05:18:31 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"

he must be related to joe T then, sharkskin suits?  :lol:



 :lol:  :lol:

Click on the link for 'head shot' at the bottom of the press release.

Not sharkskin. More like color blind  :lol:  :lol:

http://www.palmbeachfl.com/media/release.aspx?id=150


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: snoopy on July 10, 2007, 05:19:58 PM
Testing  

Hi Everybody


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 05:20:07 PM
Quote from: "sharon"
Quote from: "nonesuche"

he must be related to joe T then, sharkskin suits?  :lol:



 :lol:  :lol:

Click on the link for 'head shot' at the bottom of the press release.

Not sharkskin. More like color blind  :lol:  :lol:

http://www.palmbeachfl.com/media/release.aspx?id=150


why he's chuckiemouse's cousin I do believe  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 10, 2007, 05:21:51 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
FOR KLAAS>>>>
per MF/on RU

Key witness comes forward in the case.

A taped interview was broadcasted on local radio last Friday and some questions answered yesterday:

The person was anonymous.
This person’s voice was altered. He was a key witness in the case and
worked with the investigating team (stayed 5 days at the Station working) and is also asked to play an important witnessrole in a possible future case.

Ambulance flight: came and went and stayed a few days at the airport. This ambulance flight was totally legal and said that the story that Julia Renfro told was not totally accurate.

Natalee did not leave with this specific plane, she did not get out via the air ambulance but through another (private)plane which the ALE and FBI has info on.

He talked about the F-16 f and that they flew on every angle. (search pattern).

He talked about Kapel di Alto Vista. He denied the rumors that Natalee got out Aruba via Alto Vista that night.

Natalee got out of the island with some inside help at the airport.

This person was a key witness for the ALE over one year and a half.

He said that Joran had no power to get Natalee out of the island.

He said that the OM never thought of Joran and his friends as the guilty ones but only used them as person of interest and as we all know they can be detained on Dutch laws based on that.

He is basically saying that he knows when and how Natalee got out of Aruba and has proven that to the ALE, but will not elaborate since he was asked not to give these details by the Prosecutor’s office. But this was 1,5 years ago.

Three person that stayed several weeks on the island, on Beth’s expense, were or are still considered people of interest by the ALE and FBI. He did not elaborate who these were, said that it was the job of the ALE to give the details.


Barfing over this crapola.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 10, 2007, 05:23:44 PM
KLAAS IS BACK!!!!!

AND You're sooooooooooo CUTE!!!!!

I wanted everybody to take your avatar, but they've been creative, huh?  :lol:

I LOVE the new look!!!!

Klaas? Now that you're back, have you listened to the podcast? At approx. 14 minutes into the interview, Jossy says something that sort of hard to make out, and we've had varying opinions on it. I'd love your opinion. It's the part about Lorenzo being Joran's 1/2 brother. I seem to hear Jossy say that "he, ( Lorenzo ) has confirmed to many people that he is Joran's 1/2 brother" and then Jossy goes on to comment about how they look alike. I think others hear something different.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 05:26:24 PM
watch out Klaas, CBB found the FPage while you were away  :lol:  :lol:

I do believe this is the #1 winner of the ugly shirt contest with the hair a close second for freaky friday's winner  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/charlierat2_1___2_.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 10, 2007, 05:26:32 PM
This photo resembles the Dude

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f324/HEYJUD/untitled.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 05:26:33 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/JollyRoger1.jpg)
Jolly Roger sank

http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

38 turistas y crew on board.

When are people gonna learn Aruba is a death trap?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 10, 2007, 05:28:31 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
watch out Klaas, CBB found the FPage while you were away  :lol:  :lol:

I do believe this is the #1 winner of the ugly shirt contest with the hair a close second for freaky friday's winner  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/charlierat2_1___2_.jpg)


None's sprouted a smart a$$ since you've been gone, Klaas.
I think it itches.....see her bounce?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 10, 2007, 05:28:40 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/JollyRoger1.jpg)
Jolly Roger sank

http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

38 turistas y crew on board.

When are people gonna learn Aruba is a death trap?


This is so sad!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 05:29:21 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/JollyRoger1.jpg)
Jolly Roger sank

http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

38 turistas y crew on board.

When are people gonna learn Aruba is a death trap?


correction -  they are calling this one the Jolly Pirates... maybe it's a newer boat...???? who knows...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 05:29:54 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
KLAAS IS BACK!!!!!

AND You're sooooooooooo CUTE!!!!!

I wanted everybody to take your avatar, but they've been creative, huh?  :lol:

I LOVE the new look!!!!

Klaas? Now that you're back, have you listened to the podcast? At approx. 14 minutes into the interview, Jossy says something that sort of hard to make out, and we've had varying opinions on it. I'd love your opinion. It's the part about Lorenzo being Joran's 1/2 brother. I seem to hear Jossy say that "he, ( Lorenzo ) has confirmed to many people that he is Joran's 1/2 brother" and then Jossy goes on to comment about how they look alike. I think others hear something different.


I'll check that in a bit.  Still catching up.

NUT - yes, I saw that BS post by MF at RU


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 05:30:29 PM
Knowing the way Aruba operates they prolly only had enough life jackets for the crew.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 05:31:10 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Rob"
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/JollyRoger1.jpg)
Jolly Roger sank

http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

38 turistas y crew on board.

When are people gonna learn Aruba is a death trap?


correction -  they are calling this one the Jolly Pirates... maybe it's a newer boat...???? who knows...


http://www.jolly-pirates.com/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 05:31:40 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
watch out Klaas, CBB found the FPage while you were away  :lol:  :lol:

I do believe this is the #1 winner of the ugly shirt contest with the hair a close second for freaky friday's winner  :lol:  :lol:



None's sprouted a smart a$$ since you've been gone, Klaas.
I think it itches.....see her bounce?


moi? non mademoiselle  :lol:

see how she's admiring his hat?
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/charlie2-compiled.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 10, 2007, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
KLAAS IS BACK!!!!!

AND You're sooooooooooo CUTE!!!!!

I wanted everybody to take your avatar, but they've been creative, huh?  :lol:

I LOVE the new look!!!!

Klaas? Now that you're back, have you listened to the podcast? At approx. 14 minutes into the interview, Jossy says something that sort of hard to make out, and we've had varying opinions on it. I'd love your opinion. It's the part about Lorenzo being Joran's 1/2 brother. I seem to hear Jossy say that "he, ( Lorenzo ) has confirmed to many people that he is Joran's 1/2 brother" and then Jossy goes on to comment about how they look alike. I think others hear something different.


I'll check that in a bit.  Still catching up.

NUT - yes, I saw that BS post by MF at RU


OK, but when you get to last nights postings, someone was impersonating me......   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 05:32:46 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Knowing the way Aruba operates they prolly only had enough life jackets for the crew.


and that really isn't funny if true - do they have any nautical standards on those tourist boats?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 05:32:49 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Rob"
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/JollyRoger1.jpg)
Jolly Roger sank

http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

38 turistas y crew on board.

When are people gonna learn Aruba is a death trap?


correction -  they are calling this one the Jolly Pirates... maybe it's a newer boat...???? who knows...


http://www.jolly-pirates.com/


yep thats it. The have a small out door sign up booth across from the Allegro.

Wonder why I thought it was the Jolly Roger?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 10, 2007, 05:34:50 PM
Why is the Lorenzo topic locked?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 05:40:34 PM
Quote from: "JuJu"
Why is the Lorenzo topic locked?

Because it's not a topic.  I just wanted to post photos and known information there.  I can unlock if you want.

Edited to add:  Just unlocked it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 05:41:15 PM
Hi monkeys....

am I here?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Hi monkeys....

am I here?


Yes you are!  Hi Mrs. Red!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 05:42:38 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "JuJu"
Why is the Lorenzo topic locked?

Because it's not a topic.  I just wanted to post photos and known information there.  I can unlock if you want.


I like him locked up.. leave it locked....:lol:

or we can have a poll?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 05:49:18 PM
I think Lorenzo is a decoy... and they used him by saying he didn't exist etc so that we would move off of jvds...

I don't think he has anything to do with Natalee's death, I think that is all jvds and k2, JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 05:51:12 PM
hey Klaas... I am trying to get back to where i left off, but did you win any money???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 05:52:56 PM
SORRY SUN FREAk,you are right/that will make it more family friendly.Let your daughters play,and maybe they will come,unless you.......u know the rest.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 05:53:36 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
hey Klaas... I am trying to get back to where i left off, but did you win any money???

No - only deposits, no withdrawals.  Well I shouldn't say that..some withdrawals but not enough to cover the deposits  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 05:54:23 PM
oh,I think lvr is a drug dealer,isn't that enough.Kermit keeps calling,so watch out.I saw chuck with a very stiff woman,hmmmmm.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 05:54:36 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
hey Klaas... I am trying to get back to where i left off, but did you win any money???

No - only deposits, no withdrawals.  Well I shouldn't say that..some withdrawals but not enough to cover the deposits  :lol:


well we were all pulling for ya!!!  Going to read back, save my place!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 05:54:51 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I think Lorenzo is a decoy... and they used him by saying he didn't exist etc so that we would move off of jvds...

I don't think he has anything to do with Natalee's death, I think that is all jvds and k2, JMO

Every angle of this case always winds up pointing back to Joran being the actual murderer.  I sometimes have my doubts about the extent of Paulus' involvement.  He could have been the one who let her die after Joran did his damage.

This whole coverup is for Paulus and Joran.  They could care less about the Kalpoes.  I see the Kalpoes being fish food in the near future.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 10, 2007, 05:59:29 PM
Is it true that the KLPD did some digging in the Sloots yard?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 06:00:30 PM
Quote from: "JuJu"
Is it true that the KLPD did some digging in the Sloots yard?

Yes they did do some digging but not the place everyone wanted them to dig up which was near the pool.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 06:01:38 PM
O/T

SUNFREAK, in a random act of kindness gave me the nicest surprise and didn't even know it was my BD over the weekend.

Next to my call from Iraq, by far the nicest thing I received or have in ages.  

Just plain nice is all I can say!  Hope she is still here and sees this!  It made not only my day but my BD for this year!  I'm a happy camper!

 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on July 10, 2007, 06:01:39 PM
Welcome home Klaas

Yes the KLPD dug in the slootytoots yard


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: wreck on July 10, 2007, 06:12:05 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "JuJu"
Is it true that the KLPD did some digging in the Sloots yard?

Yes they did do some digging but not the place everyone wanted them to dig up which was near the pool.

What is our source for the speculation the KLPD did NOT dig up around the pool?  :?:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 06:12:13 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
oh,I think lvr is a drug dealer,isn't that enough.Kermit keeps calling,so watch out.I saw chuck with a very stiff woman,hmmmmm.



Where is Kermit?  I haven't seen him since I sent him out for cigarettes


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 06:14:10 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "Tiger"
oh,I think lvr is a drug dealer,isn't that enough.Kermit keeps calling,so watch out.I saw chuck with a very stiff woman,hmmmmm.



Where is Kermit?  I haven't seen him since I sent him out for cigarettes


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 06:15:32 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I think Lorenzo is a decoy... and they used him by saying he didn't exist etc so that we would move off of jvds...

I don't think he has anything to do with Natalee's death, I think that is all jvds and k2, JMO



EXACTLY, Mrs Red but that will get you (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/tomato.gif) around here with aspersions cast on your intelligence so be careful!  

Some are not very tolerant of different opinions among Monkeys!  Well, at least not with me.  I don't know when it was decided we have to all agree.  Must have not gotten that memo either.  I seem to miss lots of those memos these day.  <sigh> :roll:

 :?:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 10, 2007, 06:16:01 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "Tiger"
oh,I think lvr is a drug dealer,isn't that enough.Kermit keeps calling,so watch out.I saw chuck with a very stiff woman,hmmmmm.



Where is Kermit?  I haven't seen him since I sent him out for cigarettes



LMAO KATY!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://bestsmileys.com/silly/21.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "JuJu"
Is it true that the KLPD did some digging in the Sloots yard?

Yes they did do some digging but not the place everyone wanted them to dig up which was near the pool.

What is our source for the speculation the KLPD did NOT dig up around the pool?  :?:



They didn't unpack jackhammers or any equipment heavy enough to do it?  Only those drills that could take a core were seen being used.

JMO

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: wreck on July 10, 2007, 06:22:18 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "JuJu"
Is it true that the KLPD did some digging in the Sloots yard?

Yes they did do some digging but not the place everyone wanted them to dig up which was near the pool.

What is our source for the speculation the KLPD did NOT dig up around the pool?  :?:



They didn't unpack jackhammers or any equipment heavy enough to do it?  Only those drills that could take a core were seen being used.

JMO

.

Thanks, Anna
I guess I'm just curious who got close enough to watch the search that we TRUST to report accurately!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 06:24:50 PM
I'm not sure who's all involved or not. I don't know who can beyond PJ2K. When they brought in Guido and charged him with the most serious of all the allegations... that must have taken everyone by surprised. I know it did me..

I'm not ready to disregard Lorenzo by any means..

Lorenzo was brought in for a reason and needed an alibi to get loose.. he didn't have one on his own that proved where he was and when.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 06:27:58 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
I'm not sure who's all involved or not. I don't know who can beyond PJ2K. When they brought in Guido and charged him with the most serious of all the allegations... that must have taken everyone by surprised. I know it did me..

I'm not ready to disregard Lorenzo by any means..

Lorenzo was brought in for a reason and needed an alibi to get loose.. he didn't have one on his own that proved where he was and when.

I believe Lorenzo is involved.  I also believe that Lorenzo "business" dealings may have something to do with the coverup.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 06:28:36 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Thanks, Anna
I guess I'm just curious who got close enough to watch the search that we TRUST to report accurately!


Wreck,
I couldn't swear to it but I believe Jossy had a reporter on hand most of the time.  He may have told us that they did NOT dig up the concrete anywhere but took SOIL Samples and we saw the photos of them using the core drills near the trees close to the back fence but not on the concrete.

Don't know if I really trust anybody to report it truthfully or not but think they would have made a big deal of it had it happened and there were lots of photos taken of all the activity.  For one thing, they weren't there very long, either, and we kept waiting for somebody, anybody, to report they were digging up the concrete.  It never happened and we were very disappointed at the time.  I'm sure you recall what a big deal it was to us at the time they were at the Sloots and actually digging.  No way would we have just missed it.



.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 06:31:04 PM
Wreck,

It was reported that a small section of the DRIVE WAY inside the fence was dug up.  I always found that sort of odd.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 10, 2007, 06:33:12 PM
Msmarple & Anna,  

Just found this article about crime in the Caribbean...may be old news for you two, but thought I'd put it out here:

http://gocaribbean.about.com/b/a/257024.htm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 06:33:23 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "JuJu"
Is it true that the KLPD did some digging in the Sloots yard?

Yes they did do some digging but not the place everyone wanted them to dig up which was near the pool.

What is our source for the speculation the KLPD did NOT dig up around the pool?  :?:


Jossy said they did not disturb that concrete around the pool.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Sam on July 10, 2007, 06:35:38 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I think Lorenzo is a decoy... and they used him by saying he didn't exist etc so that we would move off of jvds...

I don't think he has anything to do with Natalee's death, I think that is all jvds and k2, JMO



EXACTLY, Mrs Red but that will get you (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/tomato.gif) around here with aspersions cast on your intelligence so be careful!  

Some are not very tolerant of different opinions among Monkeys!  Well, at least not with me.  I don't know when it was decided we have to all agree.  Must have not gotten that memo either.  I seem to miss lots of those memos these day.  <sigh> :roll:

 :?:


I tend to also think Lorenzo was a decoy most days. LOL

Anna, You must know by now that you are one of my favorite posters but No I do not always agree with you. :lol:  :lol:  Yes I will let it be known when that is the case but we are all entitled to our opinions.

I was reading the post from Ms Marples in the Important case documents. We used to have that link once before. It was nice to see it again. Very interesting reading.

The National News is on right now and they are saying things are ripe for another terror attack this summer. Say all things seem to indicate it. What can we do stop all air travel to and from Foreign countries. I realise this is off topic but .....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 06:35:53 PM
Don't you think the Dutch investigators must have had something specific in mind that they were checking when they took the soil samples at the VDS residence? It would seem like a waste of time to do such a thing randomly. That says to me that someone told them something they were checking out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Sam on July 10, 2007, 06:40:23 PM
I meant to say Hi Monkeys as well as

HI klass, sorry you did not win big but glad you stayed safe.

were you confused about all the avatar changes while you were gone?Wondering where your Monkeys went> :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 10, 2007, 06:41:07 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
I'm not sure who's all involved or not. I don't know who can beyond PJ2K. When they brought in Guido and charged him with the most serious of all the allegations... that must have taken everyone by surprised. I know it did me..

I'm not ready to disregard Lorenzo by any means..

Lorenzo was brought in for a reason and needed an alibi to get loose.. he didn't have one on his own that proved where he was and when.

I believe Lorenzo is involved.  I also believe that Lorenzo "business" dealings may have something to do with the coverup.


I didn't mean to start an argument, just trying to catch up.  I must have missed something about Guido's arrest?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: sharon on July 10, 2007, 06:43:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I believe Lorenzo is involved.  I also believe that Lorenzo "business" dealings may have something to do with the coverup.


Me, too. And possibly the disposal.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 06:43:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
I'm not sure who's all involved or not. I don't know who can beyond PJ2K. When they brought in Guido and charged him with the most serious of all the allegations... that must have taken everyone by surprised. I know it did me..

I'm not ready to disregard Lorenzo by any means..

Lorenzo was brought in for a reason and needed an alibi to get loose.. he didn't have one on his own that proved where he was and when.

I believe Lorenzo is involved.  I also believe that Lorenzo "business" dealings may have something to do with the coverup.


I agree Klaas , simply because we heard about LVR and his possible connection so early in the case. Early speculation about him is most likely true IMO for the same reason. It may have been while you were gone that the blog called RaceJunkies was posted by *******. It is all in Pap, but parts of it do mention Lorenzo, and seem interesting.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 06:44:18 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Don't you think the Dutch investigators must have had something specific in mind that they were checking when they took the soil samples at the VDS residence? It would seem like a waste of time to do such a thing randomly. That says to me that someone told them something they were checking out.


INSTANT WINNER


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 06:44:19 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Don't you think the Dutch investigators must have had something specific in mind that they were checking when they took the soil samples at the VDS residence? It would seem like a waste of time to do such a thing randomly. That says to me that someone told them something they were checking out.


I think it's safe to assume they had their reasons, I agree.

who knows, they might have been looking for traces of Lorenzo too  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 10, 2007, 06:45:53 PM
Good Evening!

Welcome back, Klaas!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 10, 2007, 06:47:48 PM
I really wish the Dutch had dug up the concrete around the pool..would have made me feel a whole lot better about their investigation.

However, is it possible they had equipment that could "see" beneath the concrete?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 06:47:55 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
I'm not sure who's all involved or not. I don't know who can beyond PJ2K. When they brought in Guido and charged him with the most serious of all the allegations... that must have taken everyone by surprised. I know it did me..

I'm not ready to disregard Lorenzo by any means..

Lorenzo was brought in for a reason and needed an alibi to get loose.. he didn't have one on his own that proved where he was and when.

I believe Lorenzo is involved.  I also believe that Lorenzo "business" dealings may have something to do with the coverup.


I agree Klaas , simply because we heard about LVR and his possible connection so early in the case. Early speculation about him is most likely true IMO for the same reason. It may have been while you were gone that the blog called RaceJunkies was posted by *******. It is all in Pap, but parts of it do mention Lorenzo, and seem interesting.

I was still here for the Racejunkies stuff.  ******* had been emailing me the Racejunkies stuff prior to posting.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 06:48:37 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Msmarple & Anna,  

Just found this article about crime in the Caribbean...may be old news for you two, but thought I'd put it out here:

http://gocaribbean.about.com/b/a/257024.htm


That is fairly new, May of this year.  I am not sure if we have it or not but think it bears reposting.

Quote from article:

Do tourists really want to know about the problems faced by the countries they visit? I ask myself that question when I see stories like this, detailing a new report from the World Bank that proclaims the Caribbean the murder capital of the world.
Personally I was taken aback by that claim, as well as statistics showing the murder rate in the Caribbean being 30 per 100,000 inhabitants -- higher than that in Africa and far more than in the U.S., where the murder rate is about 7 per 100,000.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 10, 2007, 06:50:04 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Msmarple & Anna,  

Just found this article about crime in the Caribbean...may be old news for you two, but thought I'd put it out here:

http://gocaribbean.about.com/b/a/257024.htm


That is fairly new, May of this year.  I am not sure if we have it or not but think it bears reposting.

Quote from article:

Do tourists really want to know about the problems faced by the countries they visit? I ask myself that question when I see stories like this, detailing a new report from the World Bank that proclaims the Caribbean the murder capital of the world.
Personally I was taken aback by that claim, as well as statistics showing the murder rate in the Caribbean being 30 per 100,000 inhabitants -- higher than that in Africa and far more than in the U.S., where the murder rate is about 7 per 100,000.

.


YIKES! :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I think Lorenzo is a decoy... and they used him by saying he didn't exist etc so that we would move off of jvds...

I don't think he has anything to do with Natalee's death, I think that is all jvds and k2, JMO

Every angle of this case always winds up pointing back to Joran being the actual murderer.  I sometimes have my doubts about the extent of Paulus' involvement.  He could have been the one who let her die after Joran did his damage.

This whole coverup is for Paulus and Joran.  They could care less about the Kalpoes.  I see the Kalpoes being fish food in the near future.


which is why they should be singing like canaries...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 06:55:21 PM
O/T - I appologize for being off topic.

ARCOLLEY - how is Seamonkey?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 10, 2007, 06:57:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T - I appologize for being off topic.

ARCOLLEY - how is Seamonkey?


Seamonkey is okay. She is a bit down in the dumps and looks like she may be having surgery soon.
Her hubby is taking her away for a few days  for some fun and relaxationand to get her mind off things.!
Other than that..she is fine.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 06:58:23 PM
Hi ALL :)

Did Klaas give us a trip report about Vegas??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Hi ALL :)

Did Klaas give us a trip report about Vegas??


Had a great time visiting with my son.  The casino was not kind to us though.  Will be a long time before we go back, LOL  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 10, 2007, 07:02:20 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Hi ALL :)

Did Klaas give us a trip report about Vegas??


She should be mailing all of us our profit shareing checks any time now


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 10, 2007, 07:02:45 PM
I was hoping that Klaas would come home with a carload of moolah! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 10, 2007, 07:04:15 PM
OMG!  I was lost for a moment!  So many new, uh, faces in here.....

CBB!  Tink needs a new outfit too! Pllleeaassseee? :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 07:04:53 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T - I appologize for being off topic.

ARCOLLEY - how is Seamonkey?


Seamonkey is okay. She is a bit down in the dumps and looks like she may be having surgery soon.
Her hubby is taking her away for a few days  for some fun and relaxationand to get her mind off things.!
Other than that..she is fine.

Artcolley - thanks, I was worried about her.  Hope the surgery goes well and she gets out of the dumps.  Feeling sick can get very depressing.  Sounds like she has a very supportive husband though and that's a good thing!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 07:05:29 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
I was hoping that Klaas would come home with a carload of moolah! :lol:


Me too  :wink:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 07:05:56 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
Hi ALL :)

Did Klaas give us a trip report about Vegas??


Had a great time visiting with my son.  The casino was not kind to us though.  Will be a long time before we go back, LOL  :lol:


Glad you had a great time with your son!! Hopefully you only lost what you put aside to lose..lol..Where did you stay??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 07:07:39 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "*******"
Hi ALL :)

Did Klaas give us a trip report about Vegas??


She should be mailing all of us our profit shareing checks any time now


Well, if she doesn't, we'll still have our regular checks from Red and Mrs. Red.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 10, 2007, 07:07:56 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T - I appologize for being off topic.

ARCOLLEY - how is Seamonkey?


Seamonkey is okay. She is a bit down in the dumps and looks like she may be having surgery soon.
Her hubby is taking her away for a few days  for some fun and relaxationand to get her mind off things.!
Other than that..she is fine.

Artcolley - thanks, I was worried about her.  Hope the surgery goes well and she gets out of the dumps.  Feeling sick can get very depressing.  Sounds like she has a very supportive husband though and that's a good thing!



I wish she'd come join us, but she is one that when she is upset she doesn't want to communicate! (unlike me)  :oops:

Her hubby is a sweetie and is very concerned about her, as are we all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 07:10:20 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
Hi ALL :)

Did Klaas give us a trip report about Vegas??


Had a great time visiting with my son.  The casino was not kind to us though.  Will be a long time before we go back, LOL  :lol:


Glad you had a great time with your son!! Hopefully you only lost what you put aside to lose..lol..Where did you stay??


Stayed and gambled at the LV Hilton.  It's not like it used to be.  They've been bought out a couple of times and tightened their slot machines.  All the "regulars" have noticed.  The good thing at the Hilton is that we are comped everything, 2 rooms and all meals (even at the Steakhouse).  

It's good to be home.   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 07:13:53 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
Hi ALL :)

Did Klaas give us a trip report about Vegas??


Had a great time visiting with my son.  The casino was not kind to us though.  Will be a long time before we go back, LOL  :lol:


Glad you had a great time with your son!! Hopefully you only lost what you put aside to lose..lol..Where did you stay??


Stayed and gambled at the LV Hilton.  It's not like it used to be.  They've been bought out a couple of times and tightened their slot machines.  All the "regulars" have noticed.  The good thing at the Hilton is that we are comped everything, 2 rooms and all meals (even at the Steakhouse).  

It's good to be home.   :wink:


Comped everything??Thats a good deal!!! Glad you are back!! Thanks for sharing :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 07:16:16 PM
Comped,I know what that means.you are somebody.I think LVR might be singing,even if he didn't kill and rape.One never knows,maybe the K2s are to dumb to understand what is next


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 07:18:50 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Msmarple & Anna,  

Just found this article about crime in the Caribbean...may be old news for you two, but thought I'd put it out here:

http://gocaribbean.about.com/b/a/257024.htm


That is fairly new, May of this year.  I am not sure if we have it or not but think it bears reposting.

Quote from article:

Do tourists really want to know about the problems faced by the countries they visit? I ask myself that question when I see stories like this, detailing a new report from the World Bank that proclaims the Caribbean the murder capital of the world.
Personally I was taken aback by that claim, as well as statistics showing the murder rate in the Caribbean being 30 per 100,000 inhabitants -- higher than that in Africa and far more than in the U.S., where the murder rate is about 7 per 100,000.

.



And add to that - BOC was here asking if we had heard of a man from PA that was killed in the VI...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 10, 2007, 07:19:10 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Msmarple & Anna,  

Just found this article about crime in the Caribbean...may be old news for you two, but thought I'd put it out here:

http://gocaribbean.about.com/b/a/257024.htm


That is fairly new, May of this year.  I am not sure if we have it or not but think it bears reposting.

Quote from article:

Do tourists really want to know about the problems faced by the countries they visit? I ask myself that question when I see stories like this, detailing a new report from the World Bank that proclaims the Caribbean the murder capital of the world.
Personally I was taken aback by that claim, as well as statistics showing the murder rate in the Caribbean being 30 per 100,000 inhabitants -- higher than that in Africa and far more than in the U.S., where the murder rate is about 7 per 100,000.

.


Thanks for quoting some of it...I was not sure if it was already posted in the M & C thread, and didn't want to repeat, but did see the date as current.  It struck me as  :shock: and felt it important.  BOC had posted in the Unsolved Crimes thread about another murder of a PA man, so I was lost in search engines trying to find info.  Found this in the process.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 10, 2007, 07:20:51 PM
Mrs. Red!!   :lol: Had seen BOC's post and that's how I came across it.  Great minds...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 07:21:55 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
I'm not sure who's all involved or not. I don't know who can beyond PJ2K. When they brought in Guido and charged him with the most serious of all the allegations... that must have taken everyone by surprised. I know it did me..

I'm not ready to disregard Lorenzo by any means..

Lorenzo was brought in for a reason and needed an alibi to get loose.. he didn't have one on his own that proved where he was and when.

I believe Lorenzo is involved.  I also believe that Lorenzo "business" dealings may have something to do with the coverup.



My guess is disposal. Puts Joran at the south end of the island that morning, near his best friend Lorenzo's house, the guy with the cigarette boat.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 07:23:10 PM
From whom did we hear how frightened Koen had been? Was it someone reliable or someone we've come to distrust?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Mrs. Red!!   :lol: Had seen BOC's post and that's how I came across it.  Great minds...



right???? It is not safe to vacation anywhere...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 07:23:53 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Mrs. Red!!   :lol: Had seen BOC's post and that's how I came across it.  Great minds...


And back in the beginning when we started the Murder and Crime Thread, it was because somebody told a meeting of travel agents that Aruba had only had one murder in the last twenty years!

 :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 10, 2007, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Mrs. Red!!   :lol: Had seen BOC's post and that's how I came across it.  Great minds...



right???? It is not safe to vacation anywhere...


Especially the Carribean. Even in the Bahamas during that Anna Nicole fiasco, the laws were rather bizarre.
I am perfectly happy right here in the good old USA.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 07:25:19 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Comped,I know what that means.you are somebody.I think LVR might be singing,even if he didn't kill and rape.One never knows,maybe the K2s are to dumb to understand what is next


I am not so sure he is singing but the timing of his arrest and the desperation we are seeing from AF and JR is suspicious. Appears to me that he was nailed red handed and even in Aruba he should be doing a few years in jail..Great opportunity to get some answers if he is involved..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 10, 2007, 07:26:27 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Mrs. Red!!   :lol: Had seen BOC's post and that's how I came across it.  Great minds...



right???? It is not safe to vacation anywhere...


I was disappointed I didn't find anything on the St. John murder, but found something else instead....info is info.

Safety has new parameters these days.... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 07:28:33 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Mrs. Red!!   :lol: Had seen BOC's post and that's how I came across it.  Great minds...



right???? It is not safe to vacation anywhere...


Especially the Carribean. Even in the Bahamas during that Anna Nicole fiasco, the laws were rather bizarre.
I am perfectly happy right here in the good old USA.


i have traveled in the Carribean and it's pretty, (except for Aruba, haven't been not going) but the USA is also very diverse and pretty... look at how gorgeous Maine in the fall is ... and how awesome SC - is... they aren't alike and yet they are both right here!  CA is yet different again... I think there is plenty to see right here...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Artcolley on July 10, 2007, 07:28:56 PM
Gotta go close up the greenhouse for the night.

BBL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 07:29:16 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
I'm not sure who's all involved or not. I don't know who can beyond PJ2K. When they brought in Guido and charged him with the most serious of all the allegations... that must have taken everyone by surprised. I know it did me..

I'm not ready to disregard Lorenzo by any means..

Lorenzo was brought in for a reason and needed an alibi to get loose.. he didn't have one on his own that proved where he was and when.

I believe Lorenzo is involved.  I also believe that Lorenzo "business" dealings may have something to do with the coverup.



My guess is disposal. Puts Joran at the south end of the island that morning, near his best friend Lorenzo's house, the guy with the cigarette boat.


Hey Dayhiker- Yeah This is the most likely scenario for his involvement. His boat was searched and if there is a reason he was looked at it must on tis end based on what they think was plausible.

btw - Klaas that racejunkie's stuff is not new. I saw it in the first few weeks of the case. .. I'm sure you remember it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 07:30:21 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Mrs. Red!!   :lol: Had seen BOC's post and that's how I came across it.  Great minds...


And back in the beginning when we started the Murder and Crime Thread, it was because somebody told a meeting of travel agents that Aruba had only had one murder in the last twenty years!

 :evil:



it's hard to have murders when everyone that disappears goes to Brazil or commits suicide :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 07:32:10 PM
Klaas - I'm going to be in California in a couple of weeks.

I can finally be in a time zone where I can talk to the late-night East coast monkeys.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 07:32:56 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
I'm not sure who's all involved or not. I don't know who can beyond PJ2K. When they brought in Guido and charged him with the most serious of all the allegations... that must have taken everyone by surprised. I know it did me..

I'm not ready to disregard Lorenzo by any means..

Lorenzo was brought in for a reason and needed an alibi to get loose.. he didn't have one on his own that proved where he was and when.

I believe Lorenzo is involved.  I also believe that Lorenzo "business" dealings may have something to do with the coverup.



My guess is disposal. Puts Joran at the south end of the island that morning, near his best friend Lorenzo's house, the guy with the cigarette boat.


Thats a good guess as I think PVDS got NH out of the VDS home and to Lorenzo's after his 4am pickup/drop off.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 10, 2007, 07:34:06 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Klaas - I'm going to be in California in a couple of weeks.

I can finally be in a time zone where I can talk to the late-night East coast monkeys.  :D


Yeah, and we won't know what time it is here in the East... :lol:

That is a very cute avatar...love it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 07:34:41 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Klaas - I'm going to be in California in a couple of weeks.

I can finally be in a time zone where I can talk to the late-night East coast monkeys.  :D

Yes, I remember that.  San Francisco right?  You will enjoy it.  By the way, I think the high here today was 77.  San Francisco is notoriously cool so be sure to take a sweater.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 07:36:52 PM
I know I will get flames for this but I will say it again...

I truly think that they used Lorenzo as "bait"  they knew if we heard of him and were told to leave it alone we would chase like mad after him.... it's why I think decoy...

get us going away from the guilty ones....

I think more along the lines of Freddy, koen, heck even michael dompig...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 10, 2007, 07:37:53 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Klaas - I'm going to be in California in a couple of weeks.

I can finally be in a time zone where I can talk to the late-night East coast monkeys.  :D

Yes, I remember that.  San Francisco right?  You will enjoy it.  By the way, I think the high here today was 77.  San Francisco is notoriously cool so be sure to take a sweater.


You know, that's a good point.  I was there a long time ago but in July, and we did need sweaters or jackets early morning & later in the day, especially.  Had forgotten....the heat here the past two days is heavy duty....90s, humid...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 07:39:09 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I know I will get flames for this but I will say it again...

I truly think that they used Lorenzo as "bait"  they knew if we heard of him and were told to leave it alone we would chase like mad after him.... it's why I think decoy...

get us going away from the guilty ones....

I think more along the lines of Freddy, koen, heck even michael dompig...

No flames but I do disagree.  I think Lorenzo is chin deep in the drug and porn business in Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 07:39:18 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
I'm not sure who's all involved or not. I don't know who can beyond PJ2K. When they brought in Guido and charged him with the most serious of all the allegations... that must have taken everyone by surprised. I know it did me..

I'm not ready to disregard Lorenzo by any means..

Lorenzo was brought in for a reason and needed an alibi to get loose.. he didn't have one on his own that proved where he was and when.

I believe Lorenzo is involved.  I also believe that Lorenzo "business" dealings may have something to do with the coverup.



My guess is disposal. Puts Joran at the south end of the island that morning, near his best friend Lorenzo's house, the guy with the cigarette boat.


Hey Dayhiker- Yeah This is the most likely scenario for his involvement. His boat was searched and if there is a reason he was looked at it must on tis end based on what they think was plausible.

btw - Klaas that racejunkie's stuff is not new. I saw it in the first few weeks of the case. .. I'm sure you remember it.



Lorenzo's house is only 1/2 mile from the ocean with docks nearby. Makes sense he'd be the go-to guy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 10, 2007, 07:40:32 PM
Here you go, Dihannah. Per your request.  :wink:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/tinktreasure1.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/tinktreasure1.gif


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 07:40:39 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Klaas - I'm going to be in California in a couple of weeks.

I can finally be in a time zone where I can talk to the late-night East coast monkeys.  :D


Yeah, and we won't know what time it is here in the East... :lol:

That is a very cute avatar...love it.


Thanks re: the avatar. Aren't BT puppies adorable?  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 07:42:01 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Klaas - I'm going to be in California in a couple of weeks.

I can finally be in a time zone where I can talk to the late-night East coast monkeys.  :D

Yes, I remember that.  San Francisco right?  You will enjoy it.  By the way, I think the high here today was 77.  San Francisco is notoriously cool so be sure to take a sweater.


You know, that's a good point.  I was there a long time ago but in July, and we did need sweaters or jackets early morning & later in the day, especially.  Had forgotten....the heat here the past two days is heavy duty....90s, humid...


It was 95 here today when I left work. I am soooooo looking forward to the opportunity to wear a sweater.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Sam on July 10, 2007, 07:42:07 PM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
OMG!  I was lost for a moment!  So many new, uh, faces in here.....

CBB!  Tink needs a new outfit too! Pllleeaassseee? :P


Dihannah, why would you change that beautiful out fit?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 07:43:05 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I know I will get flames for this but I will say it again...

I truly think that they used Lorenzo as "bait"  they knew if we heard of him and were told to leave it alone we would chase like mad after him.... it's why I think decoy...

get us going away from the guilty ones....

I think more along the lines of Freddy, koen, heck even michael dompig...

No flames but I do disagree. I think Lorenzo is chin deep in the drug and porn business in Aruba.
[/b]

I agree with that point... but I don't know or think that he is involved here...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 07:45:19 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"

My guess is disposal. Puts Joran at the south end of the island that morning, near his best friend Lorenzo's house, the guy with the cigarette boat.


Thats a good guess as I think PVDS got NH out of the VDS home and to Lorenzo's after his 4am pickup/drop off.



Joran's best friend and very possibly half-brother. He would be willing. If Lorenzo didn't physically do the the disposal himself he certainly knew the type of slime that would. ATM withdrawals could have been to pay the bifrons.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 07:46:23 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I know I will get flames for this but I will say it again...

I truly think that they used Lorenzo as "bait"  they knew if we heard of him and were told to leave it alone we would chase like mad after him.... it's why I think decoy...

get us going away from the guilty ones....

I think more along the lines of Freddy, koen, heck even michael dompig...

No flames but I do disagree. I think Lorenzo is chin deep in the drug and porn business in Aruba.
[/b]

I agree with that point... but I don't know or think that he is involved here...

I think that part of the reason for the coverup has to do with illegal drugs/porn and money laundering.  I also believe it's entirely possible the Sloot's may have turned to Lorenzo to hide/dispose of Natalee.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 07:47:12 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
From whom did we hear how frightened Koen had been? Was it someone reliable or someone we've come to distrust?



I know Dave wrote about it in his book.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 07:48:24 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
From whom did we hear how frightened Koen had been? Was it someone reliable or someone we've come to distrust?



I know Dave wrote about it in his book.


Do you remember what he said? My copy of Dave's book is lost somewhere in the zillions of books we have in our house.  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 10, 2007, 07:49:14 PM
O/T but WTF!!  Chicago Reporter Out After Tape Surfaces Showing Her In Swimsuit at Home of Missing Mom Lisa Stebic

http://tinyurl.com/yv5aet

Not very ethical!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 07:49:25 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I know I will get flames for this but I will say it again...

I truly think that they used Lorenzo as "bait"  they knew if we heard of him and were told to leave it alone we would chase like mad after him.... it's why I think decoy...

get us going away from the guilty ones....

I think more along the lines of Freddy, koen, heck even michael dompig...

No flames but I do disagree. I think Lorenzo is chin deep in the drug and porn business in Aruba.
[/b]

I agree with that point... but I don't know or think that he is involved here...

I think that part of the reason for the coverup has to do with illegal drugs/porn and money laundering.  I also believe it's entirely possible the Sloot's may have turned to Lorenzo to hide/dispose of Natalee.



It's not too wild to speculate that those arrested with Lorenzo during the drug raid were the ones who actually did the dirty work. Always thought arresting them for pot plants was flimsy excuse for something bigger.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 10, 2007, 07:49:38 PM
Klaasend

Good to have you back ....

You might ask the NewSan  to move  a lot of this cage to the lounge :roll:  :wink:   You know .... learning how to do new MOD things
It was not Sans fault (but she did like the new Avi) and
Yes we got carried away ... but  
there was no Spittin on the floor... maybe something else but NO spittin
Just a thought    :?


Since everone else in changing their look... Maybe it is time??
I know the one I have is hard to add stuff to...
I'm wondering how this one would work ?
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/beakyclip.gif) To be or Not To Be  is the ?? (http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Beaky_Buzzard/ltbk_008.wav)

Sorry for being O/T...
SeeYaa


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 07:50:24 PM
I was multi-tasking... didn't mean to make the font so large... :?


I do agree that LVR is involved in the usual "trade" on the island... but I don't know if he ties into this murder...

I place more blame on CnC's where even Jossy and one of the ALE have stated they put drugs into drinks... that is where it all started  and how they "did it twenty times before"....

of course if we ever find out and I am wrong I will give my cigar up! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 07:50:31 PM
The reason I bring up Koen is that many people thought he was afraid because he was the one who helped dispose of Natalee's body by using his family's boat. If we're now thinking that Lorenzo used his boat in the disposal, then that might rule out involvement by Koen.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 07:51:30 PM
Klaasend wrote;
Quote
I think that part of the reason for the coverup has to do with illegal drugs/porn and money laundering. I also believe it's entirely possible the Sloot's may have turned to Lorenzo to hide/dispose of Natalee.


My impression though beyond that is that LVR wouldn't be the one to actually do the dirty work. He would likely turn IMO to either a very very wealthy friend, or one of the drug boat runners/ guards/dealers around his place, inside the razor wire.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 07:53:10 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Klaasend wrote;
Quote
I think that part of the reason for the coverup has to do with illegal drugs/porn and money laundering. I also believe it's entirely possible the Sloot's may have turned to Lorenzo to hide/dispose of Natalee.


My impression though beyond that is that LVR wouldn't be the one to actually do the dirty work. He would likely turn IMO to either a very very wealthy friend, or one of the drug boat runners/ guards/dealers around his place, inside the razor wire.

Yep


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 07:54:54 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
O/T but WTF!!  Chicago Reporter Out After Tape Surfaces Showing Her In Swimsuit at Home of Missing Mom Lisa Stebic

http://tinyurl.com/yv5aet

Not very ethical!


Saw that article, I posted in the Lisa Stebic thread in missing persons. Just when you thought you have  heard it all.How crazy are somepeople?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 07:55:00 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Lorenzo's house is only 1/2 mile from the ocean with docks nearby. Makes sense he'd be the go-to guy.



I believe it is more like 2.5 miles, Dayhiker.

Didn't Blah revise his figures on that?

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 07:56:21 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
The reason I bring up Koen is that many people thought he was afraid because he was the one who helped dispose of Natalee's body by using his family's boat. If we're now thinking that Lorenzo used his boat in the disposal, then that might rule out involvement by Koen.


this also could all have occurred if Joran or Paulus or K2 made an inquiry in the wee hours around a boat. one has to wonder if Koen's father was able to stonewall having Koen interrogated that he may have done so on the premise of knowledge we don't have - that perhaps Lorenzo or even Steve Croes were contacted for a boat? No telling who Joran or Paulus might have called, this whole scenario might not have been as neat and tidy as we may be assuming? If the ALE was following the cell phone trail then this could explain some of the interrogations/PV's being related to those drawn in just because they got a phone call that night?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 07:57:08 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Klaasend wrote;
Quote
I think that part of the reason for the coverup has to do with illegal drugs/porn and money laundering. I also believe it's entirely possible the Sloot's may have turned to Lorenzo to hide/dispose of Natalee.


My impression though beyond that is that LVR wouldn't be the one to actually do the dirty work. He would likely turn IMO to either a very very wealthy friend, or one of the drug boat runners/ guards/dealers around his place, inside the razor wire.



Jossy says he's still in jail. For marijuana? That seems strange. With his money he could have posted any amount of bail for that. Since when did marijuana make any difference in Aruba when they allow hard drugs like crack to be sold openly on the streets?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 10, 2007, 07:57:30 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
O/T but WTF!!  Chicago Reporter Out After Tape Surfaces Showing Her In Swimsuit at Home of Missing Mom Lisa Stebic

http://tinyurl.com/yv5aet

Not very ethical!


Saw that article, I posted in the Lisa Stebic thread in missing persons. Just when you thought you have  heard it all.How crazy are somepeople?


Thank you for posting it there BB.  I happened to see it when I was checking news online.  It's not easy having to watch this stuff from the sidelines.  I wonder what her friends and family must think and feel?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 07:58:20 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Lorenzo's house is only 1/2 mile from the ocean with docks nearby. Makes sense he'd be the go-to guy.



I believe it is more like 2.5 miles, Dayhiker.

Didn't Blah revise his figures on that?

.



No, he's 2.5 miles from the bus top near the theater. Only about a half mile from the ocean.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 08:00:50 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I know I will get flames for this but I will say it again...

I truly think that they used Lorenzo as "bait"  they knew if we heard of him and were told to leave it alone we would chase like mad after him.... it's why I think decoy...

get us going away from the guilty ones....

I think more along the lines of Freddy, koen, heck even michael dompig...

No flames but I do disagree. I think Lorenzo is chin deep in the drug and porn business in Aruba.
[/b]

I agree with that point... but I don't know or think that he is involved here...

I think that part of the reason for the coverup has to do with illegal drugs/porn and money laundering.  I also believe it's entirely possible the Sloot's may have turned to Lorenzo to hide/dispose of Natalee.



It's not too wild to speculate that those arrested with Lorenzo during the drug raid were the ones who actually did the dirty work. Always thought arresting them for pot plants was flimsy excuse for something bigger.


I cant think of any other reason why PVDS would need to go to a ATM at 4AM or whatever time it was...Why would they involve the Gottenboes when they have someone they fully trust in Lorenzo..He has his own house,own boat and looks to be family. He was most likely up when something bad happened and its the most logical place to go for help. It was a monday and everyone else had work/school the next day except Lorenzo.

I am not so sure those other characters that were busted are involved at all. Lorenzo probably knows alot of shady people that could have helped if he was involved in Natalee's dissapearance.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 08:01:44 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"

My guess is disposal. Puts Joran at the south end of the island that morning, near his best friend Lorenzo's house, the guy with the cigarette boat.


Thats a good guess as I think PVDS got NH out of the VDS home and to Lorenzo's after his 4am pickup/drop off.



Joran's best friend and very possibly half-brother. He would be willing. If Lorenzo didn't physically do the the disposal himself he certainly knew the type of slime that would. ATM withdrawals could have been to pay the bifrons.

I agree.  I said that this morning.  One look at those people and you know they would have no problem with the disposal of a body.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 08:03:51 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
KLAAS IS BACK!!!!!

AND You're sooooooooooo CUTE!!!!!

I wanted everybody to take your avatar, but they've been creative, huh?  :lol:

I LOVE the new look!!!!

Klaas? Now that you're back, have you listened to the podcast? At approx. 14 minutes into the interview, Jossy says something that sort of hard to make out, and we've had varying opinions on it. I'd love your opinion. It's the part about Lorenzo being Joran's 1/2 brother. I seem to hear Jossy say that "he, ( Lorenzo ) has confirmed to many people that he is Joran's 1/2 brother" and then Jossy goes on to comment about how they look alike. I think others hear something different.


I'll check that in a bit.  Still catching up.

NUT - yes, I saw that BS post by MF at RU


OK, but when you get to last nights postings, someone was impersonating me......   :roll:


Just listened to that part of Dana's show.  It sounded to me like Jossy said something like "here in Aruba, we have confirmed by many people he is the 1/2 brother of Joran.  He is the same height and has the same facial features (Jossy didn't say features but that's what me meant)"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 08:07:29 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"

It's not too wild to speculate that those arrested with Lorenzo during the drug raid were the ones who actually did the dirty work. Always thought arresting them for pot plants was flimsy excuse for something bigger.


I cant think of any other reason why PVDS would need to go to a ATM at 4AM or whatever time it was...Why would they involve the Gottenboes when they have someone they fully trust in Lorenzo..He has his own house,own boat and looks to be family. He was most likely up when something bad happened and its the most logical place to go for help. It was a monday and everyone else had work/school the next day except Lorenzo.

I am not so sure those other characters that were busted are involved at all. Lorenzo probably knows alot of shady people that could have helped if he was involved in Natalee's dissapearance.



I agree ******* and San, Lorenzo fits the profile of someone who would be connected to the underworld to do a disposal. Koen doesn't. Koen is way the hell up at the north end of the island. Lorenzo is right there where Joran was the next morning.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 08:07:31 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I know I will get flames for this but I will say it again...

I truly think that they used Lorenzo as "bait"  they knew if we heard of him and were told to leave it alone we would chase like mad after him.... it's why I think decoy...

get us going away from the guilty ones....

I think more along the lines of Freddy, koen, heck even michael dompig...

No flames but I do disagree. I think Lorenzo is chin deep in the drug and porn business in Aruba.
[/b]

I agree with that point... but I don't know or think that he is involved here...


I can't find anything at all to link Lorenzo to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway other than rumors, not one thing.  And I do reserve the right to hold that opinion, unpopular as it might be.

I try very hard to only state what I believe and sometimes why and to NEVER tell another what they SHOULD think.

We are all thinking people and so I assume others have their reasons for arriving at their conclusions just as I know I have my own.  All of us carefully consider things and arrive at our own conclusions.

No one of us knows for a fact what happened to Natalee but after so long, we do all have our theories.  To my knowledge, there is no consensus on theories.  We should still be able to think something not in line with the majority.

JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 10, 2007, 08:07:42 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Here you go, Dihannah. Per your request.  :wink:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/tinktreasure1.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/tinktreasure1.gif


Wow your fast!  I wasn't even sure if you were on!  Thank you so much!  K, off to get dressed...  :wink:  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 08:08:01 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
From whom did we hear how frightened Koen had been? Was it someone reliable or someone we've come to distrust?



I know Dave wrote about it in his book.


Do you remember what he said? My copy of Dave's book is lost somewhere in the zillions of books we have in our house.  :oops:


I will keep looking..........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 10, 2007, 08:08:47 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
KLAAS IS BACK!!!!!

AND You're sooooooooooo CUTE!!!!!

I wanted everybody to take your avatar, but they've been creative, huh?  :lol:

I LOVE the new look!!!!

Klaas? Now that you're back, have you listened to the podcast? At approx. 14 minutes into the interview, Jossy says something that sort of hard to make out, and we've had varying opinions on it. I'd love your opinion. It's the part about Lorenzo being Joran's 1/2 brother. I seem to hear Jossy say that "he, ( Lorenzo ) has confirmed to many people that he is Joran's 1/2 brother" and then Jossy goes on to comment about how they look alike. I think others hear something different.


I'll check that in a bit.  Still catching up.

NUT - yes, I saw that BS post by MF at RU


OK, but when you get to last nights postings, someone was impersonating me......   :roll:


Just listened to that part of Dana's show.  It sounded to me like Jossy said something like "here in Aruba, we have confirmed by many people he is the 1/2 brother of Joran.  He is the same height and has the same facial features (Jossy didn't say features but that's what me meant)"



I thought he said  we have 'heard' by many people...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Spock on July 10, 2007, 08:09:40 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
The reason I bring up Koen is that many people thought he was afraid because he was the one who helped dispose of Natalee's body by using his family's boat. If we're now thinking that Lorenzo used his boat in the disposal, then that might rule out involvement by Koen.


Let's not miss the obvious. Satish said Croes was at C&C that night, Croes left the Tattoo on a small boat and docked close to the Marriot. Croes gave the false HI dropoff alibi, which is an admission he was on or near the beach with the boys that night.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 08:09:55 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I know I will get flames for this but I will say it again...

I truly think that they used Lorenzo as "bait"  they knew if we heard of him and were told to leave it alone we would chase like mad after him.... it's why I think decoy...

get us going away from the guilty ones....

I think more along the lines of Freddy, koen, heck even michael dompig...

No flames but I do disagree. I think Lorenzo is chin deep in the drug and porn business in Aruba.
[/b]

I agree with that point... but I don't know or think that he is involved here...

I think that part of the reason for the coverup has to do with illegal drugs/porn and money laundering.  I also believe it's entirely possible the Sloot's may have turned to Lorenzo to hide/dispose of Natalee.



It's not too wild to speculate that those arrested with Lorenzo during the drug raid were the ones who actually did the dirty work. Always thought arresting them for pot plants was flimsy excuse for something bigger.


I cant think of any other reason why PVDS would need to go to a ATM at 4AM or whatever time it was...Why would they involve the Gottenboes when they have someone they fully trust in Lorenzo..He has his own house,own boat and looks to be family. He was most likely up when something bad happened and its the most logical place to go for help. It was a monday and everyone else had work/school the next day except Lorenzo.

I am not so sure those other characters that were busted are involved at all. Lorenzo probably knows alot of shady people that could have helped if he was involved in Natalee's dissapearance.

The Gottenboes were implicated early on.  Just recently we have seen a car conversation where Deepak says Koen and Sander should be arrested also.  Why would Deepak say this.  Those two brothers are also involved in some way.  I don't think it was because they had the boat.  JMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 08:11:19 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Klaasend wrote;
Quote
I think that part of the reason for the coverup has to do with illegal drugs/porn and money laundering. I also believe it's entirely possible the Sloot's may have turned to Lorenzo to hide/dispose of Natalee.


My impression though beyond that is that LVR wouldn't be the one to actually do the dirty work. He would likely turn IMO to either a very very wealthy friend, or one of the drug boat runners/ guards/dealers around his place, inside the razor wire.



Jossy says he's still in jail. For marijuana? That seems strange. With his money he could have posted any amount of bail for that. Since when did marijuana make any difference in Aruba when they allow hard drugs like crack to be sold openly on the streets?


I was told Aruba did not have a bail system, Dayhiker.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 08:12:32 PM
well we know a few things....

that the last ppl she was seen with were the 3  - jvds, k2
that she was drugged, probably at the bar
that Anita was able to describe to Beth and Greta her underwear...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 08:13:12 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
The reason I bring up Koen is that many people thought he was afraid because he was the one who helped dispose of Natalee's body by using his family's boat. If we're now thinking that Lorenzo used his boat in the disposal, then that might rule out involvement by Koen.


BT -  the fact that Tim is going to be looking in the ocean for Natalee is a good indication that either Koen or Lorenzo are involved. If she is found, she got out there some how.

I agree that one or the other could be a scape goat for the other. If I were to go on gut instinct I would have to say that Koen is cover for Lorenzo.

Koen sleeps with Mommy. The Gottenbos' got the heck out Malmok as fast as they could... it could be that Koen and Family are afraid of Lorenzo's crew.

I wouldn't put anything past the people trying get Joran and Paulus off the hook. I think they would sell anyone down the river.

Remember Paulus looked Dave right in the eye and said he would do anything to protect his son.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 08:13:59 PM
so Anna help me understand the problem here, you are stating that Jossy made a mistake acknowledging Lorenzo as rumored to be Paulu's son, that Jossy is incorrect, I just want to make sure I am understanding what is bothering you so much.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 08:15:15 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
KLAAS IS BACK!!!!!

AND You're sooooooooooo CUTE!!!!!

I wanted everybody to take your avatar, but they've been creative, huh?  :lol:

I LOVE the new look!!!!

Klaas? Now that you're back, have you listened to the podcast? At approx. 14 minutes into the interview, Jossy says something that sort of hard to make out, and we've had varying opinions on it. I'd love your opinion. It's the part about Lorenzo being Joran's 1/2 brother. I seem to hear Jossy say that "he, ( Lorenzo ) has confirmed to many people that he is Joran's 1/2 brother" and then Jossy goes on to comment about how they look alike. I think others hear something different.


I'll check that in a bit.  Still catching up.

NUT - yes, I saw that BS post by MF at RU


OK, but when you get to last nights postings, someone was impersonating me......   :roll:


Just listened to that part of Dana's show.  It sounded to me like Jossy said something like "here in Aruba, we have confirmed by many people he is the 1/2 brother of Joran.  He is the same height and has the same facial features (Jossy didn't say features but that's what me meant)"



That's what I heard, too, Klaas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 08:15:26 PM
I was looking through Dave's book again for info about Koen, and found this very interesting paragraph, at least i find it interesting because I wonder if this man is not someone we speculate about fairly often ,the name starts with an Sh _ _ _ _. Does anyone else know anything about this man?
++++++++++++
Daves book page 185

While at Helen's office, we met with a man named Roland Peterson, a former high-ranking official within the police and immigration departments.He has been retired for several years, and he writes children's books on the island. He said he was aligned to help us out regarding evidence on corruption.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 08:16:41 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
The reason I bring up Koen is that many people thought he was afraid because he was the one who helped dispose of Natalee's body by using his family's boat. If we're now thinking that Lorenzo used his boat in the disposal, then that might rule out involvement by Koen.


Let's not miss the obvious. Satish said Croes was at C&C that night, Croes left the Tattoo on a small boat and docked close to the Marriot. Croes gave the false HI dropoff alibi, which is an admission he was on or near the beach with the boys that night.



and Croes was awarded for this lie by getting a job at CnC's where Tito's cousin is the PR manager... and who does Tito work for??? Julia Renfro... who is friends with whom?  one incestous little island...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 08:17:01 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
well we know a few things....

that the last ppl she was seen with were the 3  - jvds, k2
that she was drugged, probably at the bar
that Anita was able to describe to Beth and Greta her underwear...

Yep!  I'm not in any way taking away Joran's guilt by thinking Lorenzo is involved.  I just think he is involved in either hiding or having someone dispose of her body.  If it was not Koen or Steve Croes, then it was someone arranged by Lorenzo.  

I also read that Lorenzo is friends with Paul Brough/Mr. Pink.  If there was a video made of Natalee it may have funnelled through Lorenzo and Mr. Pink.  Odd that Mr. Pinks websites came down in the beginning of the case.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 08:17:06 PM
Lorenzo's name was one of the first to be heard by some Arubans..I think he was brought in several times for questioning and it had nothing to do with some bogus tip about Natalee's clothes being found at his house. I seriously doubt that he was only questioned on june 28th and I think that is proven by the locals who talked about him in june 2005. Theres a reason why there was such a buzz about this guy so early in this case.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 08:17:53 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I was looking through Dave's book again for info about Koen, and found this very interesting paragraph, at least i find it interesting because I wonder if this man is not someone we speculate about fairly often ,the name starts with an Sh _ _ _ _. Does anyone else know anything about this man?
++++++++++++
Daves book page 185

While at Helen's office, we met with a man named Roland Peterson, a former high-ranking official within the police and immigration departments.He has been retired for several years, and he writes children's books on the island. He said he was aligned to help us out regarding evidence on corruption.


Hmmm...very interesting.

Now I expect lala's to show up any second.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 10, 2007, 08:20:11 PM
well I must have landed on Mars somehow for I just don't see anyone here making Lorenzo the central theme in this, I guess I need to find the same full moon shining down on some others.

honestly Lorenzo has not been the total topic of conversation today or yesterday, in fact today the ongoing discussion around Renfro and MF's posts of this radio show also held center stage.

I do however agree, it's much more pleasant to be here if everyone's opinion is held equal to others, unless I need to be otherwise notified and I feel pretty sure my email inbox will let me know.

night all !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 08:21:32 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well I must have landed on Mars somehow for I just don't see anyone here making Lorenzo the central theme in this, I guess I need to find the same full moon shining down on some others.

honestly Lorenzo has not been the total topic of conversation today or yesterday, in fact today the ongoing discussion around Renfro and MF's posts of this radio show also held center stage.

I do however agree, it's much more pleasant to be here if everyone's opinion is held equal to others, unless I need to be otherwise notified and I feel pretty sure my email inbox will let me know.

night all !


Night, None. Have a good evening.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 08:21:36 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
The reason I bring up Koen is that many people thought he was afraid because he was the one who helped dispose of Natalee's body by using his family's boat. If we're now thinking that Lorenzo used his boat in the disposal, then that might rule out involvement by Koen.


BT -  the fact that Tim is going to be looking in the ocean for Natalee is a good indication that either Koen or Lorenzo are involved. If she is found, she got out there some how.

I agree that one or the other could be a scape goat for the other. If I were to go on gut instinct I would have to say that Koen is cover for Lorenzo.

Koen sleeps with Mommy. The Gottenbos' got the heck out Malmok as fast as they could... it could be that Koen and Family are afraid of Lorenzo's crew.

I wouldn't put anything past the people trying get Joran and Paulus off the hook. I think they would sell anyone down the river.

Remember Paulus looked Dave right in the eye and said he would do anything to protect his son.

I agree.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 08:23:02 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
so Anna help me understand the problem here, you are stating that Jossy made a mistake acknowledging Lorenzo as rumored to be Paulu's son, that Jossy is incorrect, I just want to make sure I am understanding what is bothering you so much.


I have NO IDEA what you are talking about Nonesuche but the difference in what you posted above and what CBB was saying this morning/last night was that Lorenzo himself CONFIRMED that he was Paulus son.  Now I think Lorenzo might be in a position to actually know but that is not what Jossy said.

The difference is RUMORED versus CONFIRMED.  I don't think Jossy can confirm it much as he might like to do and we would like for him to do so.  He can only confirm that it is a RUMOR and not confirm the paternity of Lorenzo.

NO, I am NOT saying Jossy made a mistake but that it is a RUMOR and Lorenzo himself did NOT CONFIRM it.  That would be very different.  


I just don't happen to think it really matters all that much because I have never seen anything to connect Lorenzo to Natalee Holloway's disappearance other than rumor and speculation.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 08:23:26 PM
I am so confused... I was just stating my theories on who is who and why I think what I think....I thought all the talk of Lorenzo was because we didn't understand if Jossy confirmed or not that he is the half brother of jvds....

I think everyone's opinion is equal or I certainly wouldn't be chaning theories every so often...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 08:23:36 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
The reason I bring up Koen is that many people thought he was afraid because he was the one who helped dispose of Natalee's body by using his family's boat. If we're now thinking that Lorenzo used his boat in the disposal, then that might rule out involvement by Koen.


Let's not miss the obvious. Satish said Croes was at C&C that night, Croes left the Tattoo on a small boat and docked close to the Marriot. Croes gave the false HI dropoff alibi, which is an admission he was on or near the beach with the boys that night.


Steve Croes and the perps are the ones that stated Croes gave the false HI alibi.......they are the only ones. To make that false alibi it only follows suit he would have to be near the HI. (In another lie the perps had him near the beach and apparently witnessing 2 men and a woman arguing? isn't that right?). However, Jan van der Straaten said that Steve Croes was brought in(for 10 days)due to information given by one of the suspects.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Spock on July 10, 2007, 08:23:44 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
The reason I bring up Koen is that many people thought he was afraid because he was the one who helped dispose of Natalee's body by using his family's boat. If we're now thinking that Lorenzo used his boat in the disposal, then that might rule out involvement by Koen.


Let's not miss the obvious. Satish said Croes was at C&C that night, Croes left the Tattoo on a small boat and docked close to the Marriot. Croes gave the false HI dropoff alibi, which is an admission he was on or near the beach with the boys that night.



and Croes was awarded for this lie by getting a job at CnC's where Tito's cousin is the PR manager... and who does Tito work for??? Julia Renfro... who is friends with whom?  one incestous little island...


Guido was off work at 3 am, a 5 min walk to the Fisherman Huts. It all fits together, Joran had his way and made it home. The others came upon an unconsious NH, and had a boat there when things went bad. IMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 10, 2007, 08:25:12 PM
Still way back reading but I did want to dress to welcome back Klaas.  That is Klaas, isn't it??  I did the case "mapping" while you were gone.   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 08:26:07 PM
Spock,
Are you saying that Joran left here at the beach?  and that the others came upon her?


That I don't believe  - because I don't believe that they were ever at the beach.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 08:27:10 PM
I just Google Earthed all the different routes to the beach from Lorenzo's using all the roads to the ocean. There are a variety of different ways and locations along the shore that look like a boat could dock.

I get between 1.01 miles and 1.75 miles depending on how you approach it. I think the cigarette boat is in the south of Saveneta.

I can do some screen shots if you want to see the different routes. But If no one wants them I'll save the effort.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 08:27:10 PM
Quote from: "Spock"


Guido was off work at 3 am, a 5 min walk to the Fisherman Huts. It all fits together, Joran had his way and made it home. The others came upon an unconsious NH, and had a boat there when things went bad. IMO.


Spock - does this mean you think that Joran left Natalee alive and someone else killed her?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Spock on July 10, 2007, 08:27:22 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
The reason I bring up Koen is that many people thought he was afraid because he was the one who helped dispose of Natalee's body by using his family's boat. If we're now thinking that Lorenzo used his boat in the disposal, then that might rule out involvement by Koen.


Let's not miss the obvious. Satish said Croes was at C&C that night, Croes left the Tattoo on a small boat and docked close to the Marriot. Croes gave the false HI dropoff alibi, which is an admission he was on or near the beach with the boys that night.


Steve Croes and the perps are the ones that stated Croes gave the false HI alibi.......they are the only ones. To make that false alibi it only follows suit he would have to be near the HI. (In another lie the perps had him near the beach and apparently witnessing 2 men and a woman arguing? isn't that right?). However, Jan van der Straaten said that Steve Croes was brought in(for 10 days)due to information given by one of the suspects.


Croes in an interview stated that he was brought in for giving the false alibi. He said "it was a stupid thing, I gave an alibi to people I dont know" and then he drove off unwilling to say anymore.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 08:28:49 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Lorenzo's name was one of the first to be heard by some Arubans..I think he was brought in several times for questioning and it had nothing to do with some bogus tip about Natalee's clothes being found at his house. I seriously doubt that he was only questioned on june 28th and I think that is proven by the locals who talked about him in june 2005. Theres a reason why there was such a buzz about this guy so early in this case.


I think in the begining we heard his house was searched twice. Once very thoroughly and the second time less so. If that is the case then I think it likely he was questioned at least twice.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 08:33:24 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
I just Google Earthed all the different routes to the beach from Lorenzo's using all the roads to the ocean. There are a variety of different ways and locations along the shore that look like a boat could dock.

I get between 1.01 miles and 1.75 miles depending on how you approach it. I think the cigarette boat is in the south of Saveneta.

I can do some screen shots if you want to see the different routes. But If no one wants them I'll save the effort.



Rob,

Did Sleuth or somebody do a map with that plus the location of the closed drive in theater marked already?

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 08:35:37 PM
Spockwrote;
Quote


Croes in an interview stated that he was brought in for giving the false alibi. He said "it was a stupid thing, I gave an alibi to people I dont know" and then he drove off unwilling to say anymore


IMO Actions speak louder than words, and  that alibi story sounds just toooo unbelievable, I think it is a lie. I think Croes was coming up with a story.
Did Croes get brought in by ALE in handcuffs to tell his alibi story. I just happen to think Van der straaten's story told to the press about one of the 3 perps mentioning his name seems more credible. I guess there is no way to know what is the real truth of the matter......... :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 10, 2007, 08:37:37 PM
I want to know where Steve Croes was that night. What was his alibi ?
Where Steve's little boat is moored, is it usually in a public place ?
If Natalee was " dumped " in behind the mango grove, how / why would Steve come across her ?
Think it more likely, IMO that Steve was asked to help out. For Money.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 10, 2007, 08:38:02 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I was looking through Dave's book again for info about Koen, and found this very interesting paragraph, at least i find it interesting because I wonder if this man is not someone we speculate about fairly often ,the name starts with an Sh _ _ _ _. Does anyone else know anything about this man?
++++++++++++
Daves book page 185

While at Helen's office, we met with a man named Roland Peterson, a former high-ranking official within the police and immigration departments.He has been retired for several years, and he writes children's books on the island. He said he was aligned to help us out regarding evidence on corruption.


Hmmm...very interesting.

Now I expect lala's to show up any second.  :lol:



He is pictured here>>>http://www.kparuba.com/former_kc.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 08:38:29 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I am so confused... I was just stating my theories on who is who and why I think what I think....I thought all the talk of Lorenzo was because we didn't understand if Jossy confirmed or not that he is the half brother of jvds....

I think everyone's opinion is equal or I certainly wouldn't be chaning theories every so often...



LOL, I feel the same Mrs. Red. I can accept both the Lorenzo or the Koen theory, just happen to lean towards LVR.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 10, 2007, 08:38:42 PM
Didn't Spong say something about Guido not watching the door, that wasn't his job??  Maybe Joran left Natalee by Marriott and went to get Guido to help.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 08:40:17 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Rob"
I just Google Earthed all the different routes to the beach from Lorenzo's using all the roads to the ocean. There are a variety of different ways and locations along the shore that look like a boat could dock.

I get between 1.01 miles and 1.75 miles depending on how you approach it. I think the cigarette boat is in the south of Saveneta.

I can do some screen shots if you want to see the different routes. But If no one wants them I'll save the effort.



Rob,

Did Sleuth or somebody do a map with that plus the location of the closed drive in theater marked already?

Anna-
I don't know if Sleuth did or didn't. I don't think I have seen them.

If you draw a straight line from Lorenzo's to the ocean going over the areas not even remotely a road, you might get .5 air miles. But actually taking the roads would be at least 1.01 miles as I see it.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 08:41:32 PM
Quote from: Rob
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Rob"
I just Google Earthed all the different routes to the beach from Lorenzo's using all the roads to the ocean. There are a variety of different ways and locations along the shore that look like a boat could dock.

I get between 1.01 miles and 1.75 miles depending on how you approach it. I think the cigarette boat is in the south of Saveneta.

I can do some screen shots if you want to see the different routes. But If no one wants them I'll save the effort.



Rob,

Did Sleuth or somebody do a map with that plus the location of the closed drive in theater marked already?



Anna-
I don't know if Sleuth did or didn't. I don't think I have seen them.

If you draw a straight line from Lorenzo's to the ocean going over the areas not even remotely a road, you might get .5 air miles. But actually taking the roads would be at least 1.01 miles as I see it.

So Sorry


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 08:43:15 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I was looking through Dave's book again for info about Koen, and found this very interesting paragraph, at least i find it interesting because I wonder if this man is not someone we speculate about fairly often ,the name starts with an Sh _ _ _ _. Does anyone else know anything about this man?
++++++++++++
Daves book page 185

While at Helen's office, we met with a man named Roland Peterson, a former high-ranking official within the police and immigration departments.He has been retired for several years, and he writes children's books on the island. He said he was aligned to help us out regarding evidence on corruption.


Hmmm...very interesting.

Now I expect lala's to show up any second.  :lol:



He is pictured here>>>http://www.kparuba.com/former_kc.html


TY, Nut


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 08:43:19 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Spockwrote;
Quote


Croes in an interview stated that he was brought in for giving the false alibi. He said "it was a stupid thing, I gave an alibi to people I dont know" and then he drove off unwilling to say anymore


IMO Actions speak louder than words, and  that alibi story sounds just toooo unbelievable, I think it is a lie. I think Croes was coming up with a story.
Did Croes get brought in by ALE in handcuffs to tell his alibi story. I just happen to think Van der straaten's story told to the press about one of the 3 perps mentioning his name seems more credible. I guess there is no way to know what is the real truth of the matter......... :?


I think that is a lie as well..Too much of a coincidence that croes was at C&C that night and a friend of deepaks..I believe Croes and Lorenzo were both questioned on june 16th.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 08:44:28 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Didn't Spong say something about Guido not watching the door, that wasn't his job??  Maybe Joran left Natalee by Marriott and went to get Guido to help.


Buckeye, are you forgetting that PVDS lost his claim for compensation because there was evidence that he picked up Joran and Natalee at 4 AM?  He either picked them up or dropped them off somewhere.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 08:44:43 PM
I go back to the thing of steve croes getting fired from the boat and then being rewarded by getting a job at CnC's.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 10, 2007, 08:46:05 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Rob"
I just Google Earthed all the different routes to the beach from Lorenzo's using all the roads to the ocean. There are a variety of different ways and locations along the shore that look like a boat could dock.

I get between 1.01 miles and 1.75 miles depending on how you approach it. I think the cigarette boat is in the south of Saveneta.

I can do some screen shots if you want to see the different routes. But If no one wants them I'll save the effort.



Rob,

Did Sleuth or somebody do a map with that plus the location of the closed drive in theater marked already?

.



I remember that...I bet Klaas has it  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 08:46:40 PM
From Daves book pages 176-177

While I was there  on that trip, I heard that Dompig was investigating Koen.He supposedly writes Joran every day.  I had read Joran's deposition and knew Koen to be his best friend, and when I was on the island at an earlier time, some teenagers had told me it was Koen's boat that took Natalee out to sea. Art Wood and I drove by Koen's house and saw a boat around the side, and Koen and his father were working on it.The front door was wide open,and we decided to drive by a few times. One time, Koen was walking into the living room, and he saw us going byslowly, so he barrel-rolled and hid behind the couch. I wondered what made him hidelikethat.  We later learned that Koen's mother had told someone that when Freddy was arrested, Koen was so scared that he slept in his parents' bed with them on at least one occassion.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 08:47:38 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I go back to the thing of steve croes getting fired from the boat and then being rewarded by getting a job at CnC's.....

Croes might have done more than supply a false alibi, but I don't think Joran or PVDS brought Croes into this.  He was Deepak's friend, wasn't he?  So many tangled threads here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 08:49:14 PM
Quote from: "Rob"

Anna-
I don't know if Sleuth did or didn't. I don't think I have seen them.

If you draw a straight line from Lorenzo's to the ocean going over the areas not even remotely a road, you might get .5 air miles. But actually taking the roads would be at least 1.01 miles as I see it.

So Sorry


I did my estimates by counting city blocks, but even if it is a mile that is nothing in the whole scheme of things. Lorenzo is right there by the water, right there where Joran was the next morning.

Something to ponder. Deepak implicates Joran, Freddy, Koen and Sander. Joran implicates Deepak and Satish. Nobody implicates Lorenzo or Croes. Why are Lorenzo and Croes out of the loop?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 08:49:52 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
From Daves book pages 176-177

While I was there  on that trip, I heard that Dompig was investigating Koen.He supposedly writes Joran every day.  I had read Joran's deposition and knew Koen to be his best friend, and when I was on the island at an earlier time, some teenagers had told me it was Koen's boat that took Natalee out to sea. Art Wood and I drove by Koen's house and saw a boat around the side, and Koen and his father were working on it.The front door was wide open,and we decided to drive by a few times. One time, Koen was walking into the living room, and he saw us going byslowly, so he barrel-rolled and hid behind the couch. I wondered what made him hidelikethat.  We later learned that Koen's mother had told someone that when Freddy was arrested, Koen was so scared that he slept in his parents' bed with them on at least one occassion.


Thanks, BB. It helps to know the source of that information.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 08:50:35 PM
Since Koen was Joran's best friend, it seems logical that he would be present and participate that night at the gang rape.  I think that might be the extent of Koen's involvement, though, as he seems much too freaked out to help Joran dispose of her body.  I think he'd draw the line there.  However, who knows?  It's possible.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 10, 2007, 08:51:17 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Didn't Spong say something about Guido not watching the door, that wasn't his job??  Maybe Joran left Natalee by Marriott and went to get Guido to help.


Buckeye, are you forgetting that PVDS lost his claim for compensation because there was evidence that he picked up Joran and Natalee at 4 AM?  He either picked them up or dropped them off somewhere.


I know.  I just keep thinking about Guido charged with heavy battery and them taking things from his house, a year later.  He has to fit in somewhere.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 08:51:59 PM
there are so many tangled threads.... there is croes, gvc,

who is friends with whom?  

was this all a game... (20 times before) that the kids were just doing what they had seen the Elders do...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 08:52:20 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Didn't Spong say something about Guido not watching the door, that wasn't his job??  Maybe Joran left Natalee by Marriott and went to get Guido to help.


Buckeye, are you forgetting that PVDS lost his claim for compensation because there was evidence that he picked up Joran and Natalee at 4 AM?  He either picked them up or dropped them off somewhere.


Good point. If PVDS is out at 4:00 am and says at some point he is dropping Joran down on the south of the island, that puts him and Joran down there by Lorenzo's house.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 08:53:13 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Didn't Spong say something about Guido not watching the door, that wasn't his job??  Maybe Joran left Natalee by Marriott and went to get Guido to help.


Buckeye, are you forgetting that PVDS lost his claim for compensation because there was evidence that he picked up Joran and Natalee at 4 AM?  He either picked them up or dropped them off somewhere.


I know.  I just keep thinking about Guido charged with heavy battery and them taking things from his house, a year later.  He has to fit in somewhere.


OMG>>> I had forgotten that he was charged with heavy battery!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 08:54:07 PM
YW BT.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 08:54:38 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Rob"

Anna-
I don't know if Sleuth did or didn't. I don't think I have seen them.

If you draw a straight line from Lorenzo's to the ocean going over the areas not even remotely a road, you might get .5 air miles. But actually taking the roads would be at least 1.01 miles as I see it.

So Sorry


I did my estimates by counting city blocks, but even if it is a mile that is nothing in the whole scheme of things. Lorenzo is right there by the water, right there where Joran was the next morning.

Something to ponder. Deepak implicates Joran, Freddy, Koen and Sander. Joran implicates Deepak and Satish. Nobody implicates Lorenzo or Croes. Why are Lorenzo and Croes out of the loop?


Maybe because Croes is only involved after the fact in that he knows what happened but was not there.  I'm not sure of this and can easily be convinced otherwise.   :lol:

Lorenzo is kept out of the loop because everyone is afraid of him.  Perhaps Lorenzo has no scruples or loyalties and will bring down this entire house of cards without considering who falls with it.  I think it's likely that Lorenzo will only keep quiet as long as it benefits him.  When there is no longer any profit to him, or when his own liberty is at stake, Lorenzo will sing, loudly, and bring down everyone involved, no matter his rank or status.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 08:55:35 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Didn't Spong say something about Guido not watching the door, that wasn't his job??  Maybe Joran left Natalee by Marriott and went to get Guido to help.


Buckeye, are you forgetting that PVDS lost his claim for compensation because there was evidence that he picked up Joran and Natalee at 4 AM?  He either picked them up or dropped them off somewhere.


I know.  I just keep thinking about Guido charged with heavy battery and them taking things from his house, a year later.  He has to fit in somewhere.


OMG>>> I had forgotten that he was charged with heavy battery!



But the Dutch experts  :wink:  say that they can charge you for murder even if you are suspected of shoplifting.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 08:56:46 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Didn't Spong say something about Guido not watching the door, that wasn't his job??  Maybe Joran left Natalee by Marriott and went to get Guido to help.


Buckeye, are you forgetting that PVDS lost his claim for compensation because there was evidence that he picked up Joran and Natalee at 4 AM?  He either picked them up or dropped them off somewhere.


Good point. If PVDS is out at 4:00 am and says at some point he is dropping Joran down on the south of the island, that puts him and Joran down there by Lorenzo's house.


Yup.  If Natalee was non-responsive, then PVDS and Joran put her in the car and took her to Lorenzo's house.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 08:57:18 PM
I think so many lies have been told in this case that I wonder if anyone in Aruba even remembers the truth anymore.  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Rob"

Anna-
I don't know if Sleuth did or didn't. I don't think I have seen them.

If you draw a straight line from Lorenzo's to the ocean going over the areas not even remotely a road, you might get .5 air miles. But actually taking the roads would be at least 1.01 miles as I see it.

So Sorry


I did my estimates by counting city blocks, but even if it is a mile that is nothing in the whole scheme of things. Lorenzo is right there by the water, right there where Joran was the next morning.

Something to ponder. Deepak implicates Joran, Freddy, Koen and Sander. Joran implicates Deepak and Satish. Nobody implicates Lorenzo or Croes. Why are Lorenzo and Croes out of the loop?


Maybe because Croes is only involved after the fact in that he knows what happened but was not there.  I'm not sure of this and can easily be convinced otherwise.   :lol:

Lorenzo is kept out of the loop because everyone is afraid of him.  Perhaps Lorenzo has no scruples or loyalties and will bring down this entire house of cards without considering who falls with it.  I think it's likely that Lorenzo will only keep quiet as long as it benefits him.  When there is no longer any profit to him, or when his own liberty is at stake, Lorenzo will sing, loudly, and bring down everyone involved, no matter his rank or status.



If you go by profiles, everything about Lorenzo fits. The lifestyle, the means, and the connections to get the job done far outweigh Koen's abilities.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 08:58:33 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I think so many lies have been told in this case that I wonder if anyone in Aruba even remembers the truth anymore.  :(


i doubt it.... i don't think truth is a premium there though...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 08:58:47 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"


If you go by profiles, everything about Lorenzo fits. The lifestyle, the means, and the connections to get the job done far outweigh Koen's abilities.


And Koen looks like a big, mushy crybaby.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 08:59:08 PM
Perhaps Guido was there and participated in the gang rape.  ALE may have thought that Guido was a weak link and if they pressed him, he might tell what he know--act as a witness.  After all, he fled to Holland shortly after Natalee's disappearance.  I think ALE didn't count on Guido's parents' influence and money and the lawyer they hired for him.  ALE got no where with this plan.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 08:59:45 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Rob"

Anna-
I don't know if Sleuth did or didn't. I don't think I have seen them.

If you draw a straight line from Lorenzo's to the ocean going over the areas not even remotely a road, you might get .5 air miles. But actually taking the roads would be at least 1.01 miles as I see it.

So Sorry


I did my estimates by counting city blocks, but even if it is a mile that is nothing in the whole scheme of things. Lorenzo is right there by the water, right there where Joran was the next morning.

Something to ponder. Deepak implicates Joran, Freddy, Koen and Sander. Joran implicates Deepak and Satish. Nobody implicates Lorenzo or Croes. Why are Lorenzo and Croes out of the loop?


I used the Google Earth tool .. he can't live in a remote part of the island and live in the town. Even a mile is a good distance when your talking about Aruba.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/LorenzoHouseGE8.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/LorenzostoOcean1.jpg)
1.01 miles


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 10, 2007, 09:00:16 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Since Koen was Joran's best friend, it seems logical that he would be present and participate that night at the gang rape.  I think that might be the extent of Koen's involvement, though, as he seems much too freaked out to help Joran dispose of her body.  I think he'd draw the line there.  However, who knows?  It's possible.


How many "best friends" does Joran have?  I have heard Freddie, Koen, Lorenzo, Guido ..and that is just in the last two days?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 09:00:17 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I think so many lies have been told in this case that I wonder if anyone in Aruba even remembers the truth anymore.  :(


There is no truth on Aruba. They all lie. If they knew what the truth was or how to tell it this thing would have been solved the first two days. It is just a hotbed of liars.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 10, 2007, 09:00:43 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"


If you go by profiles, everything about Lorenzo fits. The lifestyle, the means, and the connections to get the job done far outweigh Koen's abilities.


And Koen looks like a big, mushy crybaby.


I agree.  I do believe the perps should be very, very nervous with Lorenzo in jail.  Lorenzo knows what happened and could tell all.  Whether he would be a credible Crown Witness remains to be seen, though.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 10, 2007, 09:01:22 PM
I've been thinking of all the craziness lately.  I just wonder if the word is out that the Dutch are at a standstill and they are ready to name the ALE and the early investigation as the problem.  Now the ALE is trying to be preemptive.  What ever happened to Angela's report (the prosecutor from Curacau)?  Was there some slip about the case being in Curacau??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 09:02:58 PM
Quote from: "Rob"

I used the Google Earth tool .. he can't live in a remote part of the island and live in the town. Even a mile is a good distance when your talking about Aruba.
 


Rob, I was just making the point that driving a mile is not that much different from driving a half mile, especially early in the morning when there is no one else around to get in your way.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 09:05:01 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"


If you go by profiles, everything about Lorenzo fits. The lifestyle, the means, and the connections to get the job done far outweigh Koen's abilities.


And Koen looks like a big, mushy crybaby.


I agree.  I do believe the perps should be very, very nervous with Lorenzo in jail.  Lorenzo knows what happened and could tell all.  Whether he would be a credible Crown Witness remains to be seen, though.


Anna made the point that they don't use a bail system, but when has Aruba ever given a rip about marijuana? That is the least of their drug problems. I am curious as to why Lorenzo is still in the pokey.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 09:05:06 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Rob"

I used the Google Earth tool .. he can't live in a remote part of the island and live in the town. Even a mile is a good distance when your talking about Aruba.
 


Rob, I was just making the point that driving a mile is not that much different from driving a half mile, especially early in the morning when there is no one else around to get in your way.


It's all down hill. He could run that distance in 5 or so minutes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 09:07:44 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Since Koen was Joran's best friend, it seems logical that he would be present and participate that night at the gang rape.  I think that might be the extent of Koen's involvement, though, as he seems much too freaked out to help Joran dispose of her body.  I think he'd draw the line there.  However, who knows?  It's possible.


How many "best friends" does Joran have?  I have heard Freddie, Koen, Lorenzo, Guido ..and that is just in the last two days?


We've heard friends........we've heard relatives not sure which it is......
Remember Sasha's birthday party? are they cousins? is lorenzo a half-brother?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 09:07:51 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
I've been thinking of all the craziness lately.  I just wonder if the word is out that the Dutch are at a standstill and they are ready to name the ALE and the early investigation as the problem.  Now the ALE is trying to be preemptive.  What ever happened to Angela's report (the prosecutor from Curacau)?  Was there some slip about the case being in Curacau??


Or there are some in ALE that are going to be arrested for corruption. First thing KLPD did was isolate themselves from all ALE except the narc squad.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 09:08:48 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Rob"

I used the Google Earth tool .. he can't live in a remote part of the island and live in the town. Even a mile is a good distance when your talking about Aruba.
 


Rob, I was just making the point that driving a mile is not that much different from driving a half mile, especially early in the morning when there is no one else around to get in your way.


It's all down hill. He could run that distance in 5 or so minutes.


Everything is in pissing distance. The house to the boat docks to the bus stop.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mishy on July 10, 2007, 09:09:33 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"


If you go by profiles, everything about Lorenzo fits. The lifestyle, the means, and the connections to get the job done far outweigh Koen's abilities.


And Koen looks like a big, mushy crybaby.


I agree.  I do believe the perps should be very, very nervous with Lorenzo in jail.  Lorenzo knows what happened and could tell all.  Whether he would be a credible Crown Witness remains to be seen, though.


Anna made the point that they don't use a bail system, but when has Aruba ever given a rip about marijuana? That is the least of their drug problems. I am curious as to why Lorenzo is still in the pokey.


I feel the same way Dayhiker. When the government sponsors crackhouses and lets rapists and murderers run the streets and bartenders drug their female patrons, what's a few hundred pot plants? Pot is like cotton candy compared to all of that other stuff!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 10, 2007, 09:09:55 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Since Koen was Joran's best friend, it seems logical that he would be present and participate that night at the gang rape.  I think that might be the extent of Koen's involvement, though, as he seems much too freaked out to help Joran dispose of her body.  I think he'd draw the line there.  However, who knows?  It's possible.


How many "best friends" does Joran have?  I have heard Freddie, Koen, Lorenzo, Guido ..and that is just in the last two days?


We've heard friends........we've heard relatives not sure which it is......
Remember Sasha's birthday party? are they cousins? is lorenzo a half-brother?


Perhaps we should look again at those pictures.  We may see a lot more of Lorenzo now that we know who he is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 09:11:18 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Didn't Spong say something about Guido not watching the door, that wasn't his job??  Maybe Joran left Natalee by Marriott and went to get Guido to help.


Buckeye, are you forgetting that PVDS lost his claim for compensation because there was evidence that he picked up Joran and Natalee at 4 AM?  He either picked them up or dropped them off somewhere.


Good point. If PVDS is out at 4:00 am and says at some point he is dropping Joran down on the south of the island, that puts him and Joran down there by Lorenzo's house.


Yup.  If Natalee was non-responsive, then PVDS and Joran put her in the car and took her to Lorenzo's house.


If the younger brothers were at home I dont think PVDS would have wanted NH to be there when they woke up. Van Der Sloots have neighbors and PVDS had work that day and it makes sense that he would want to get NH off the property before the sun comes up.

If Natalee was non-responsive but still alive I cant think of a better place to take her than Lorenzo's. They obviously didn't take her to a hospital and didnt drop her off at the beach. Joran knew people saw Natalee leave with him at C&C and a deceased,drugged,or injured Natalee would lead directly back to him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 09:14:37 PM
Good points *******


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 09:16:10 PM
Nite monkeys....

keep the faith...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Mere on July 10, 2007, 09:19:14 PM
Good night friends....hate to turn in early....save my place.... :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 09:20:17 PM
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.


THANK HEAVENS KLASS IS BACK!   I found my pencils.  Klaas, it was terrible.  I needed my muffs and someone hid them. San went savage.  Oh it was like a nightmare....oh sorry...I got carried away...glad you're back.


Now, where was I?  So no decision on what was really said concerning Lorenzo.  No one ever wanted to talk about him, not ever.  Just the fact that Bondia/Glenda/Julia  wouldn't speak about him says volumes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 09:21:12 PM
What?  Everyone is going to bed?  I just got here. :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 09:23:33 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What?  Everyone is going to bed?  I just got here. :shock:


i just came back in..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 09:24:41 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What?  Everyone is going to bed?  I just got here. :shock:


we're in the new hidey hole.

use code A4IoPzQ76 for entrance, we changed the code.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 09:25:41 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What?  Everyone is going to bed?  I just got here. :shock:


we're in the new hidey hole.

use code A4IoPzQ76 for entrance, we changed the code.  :lol:



i want to come


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 09:25:45 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.


THANK HEAVENS KLASS IS BACK!   I found my pencils.  Klaas, it was terrible.  I needed my muffs and someone hid them. San went savage.  Oh it was like a nightmare....oh sorry...I got carried away...glad you're back.


Now, where was I?  So no decision on what was really said concerning Lorenzo.  No one ever wanted to talk about him, not ever.  Just the fact that Bondia/Glenda/Julia  wouldn't speak about him says volumes.

So Simian wrote this about "others" supported an alibi for Lorenzo.   The date of this post was on the 23rd.  I believe there is a statement dated the 28th right.  So there has to be another statement.  Tyler said he was first questioned on the 16th I believe and a guy by the name of Max Arenz (sp) was his alibi.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 09:26:17 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What?  Everyone is going to bed?  I just got here. :shock:


I'm here, Lalas.

Love your new pencils.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 09:27:21 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What?  Everyone is going to bed?  I just got here. :shock:


we're in the new hidey hole.

use code A4IoPzQ76 for entrance, we changed the code.  :lol:



i want to come


apparently it's invitation only :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 09:28:08 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.


THANK HEAVENS KLASS IS BACK!   I found my pencils.  Klaas, it was terrible.  I needed my muffs and someone hid them. San went savage.  Oh it was like a nightmare....oh sorry...I got carried away...glad you're back.


Now, where was I?  So no decision on what was really said concerning Lorenzo.  No one ever wanted to talk about him, not ever.  Just the fact that Bondia/Glenda/Julia  wouldn't speak about him says volumes.

So Simian wrote this about "others" supported an alibi for Lorenzo.   The date of this post was on the 23rd.  I believe there is a statement dated the 28th right.  So there has to be another statement.  Tyler said he was first questioned on the 16th I believe and a guy by the name of Max Arenz (sp) was his alibi.


wasn't he "panty boy"?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 10, 2007, 09:30:28 PM
And I have the secret password. Pink Thingie !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 09:30:37 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What?  Everyone is going to bed?  I just got here. :shock:


we're in the new hidey hole.

use code A4IoPzQ76 for entrance, we changed the code.  :lol:



i want to come


apparently it's invitation only :roll:


humpf


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 09:31:28 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
And I have the secret password. Pink Thingie !


 :oops:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 09:32:42 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.


THANK HEAVENS KLASS IS BACK!   I found my pencils.  Klaas, it was terrible.  I needed my muffs and someone hid them. San went savage.  Oh it was like a nightmare....oh sorry...I got carried away...glad you're back.


Now, where was I?  So no decision on what was really said concerning Lorenzo.  No one ever wanted to talk about him, not ever.  Just the fact that Bondia/Glenda/Julia  wouldn't speak about him says volumes.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 09:33:41 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What?  Everyone is going to bed?  I just got here. :shock:


we're in the new hidey hole.

use code A4IoPzQ76 for entrance, we changed the code.  :lol:


That figures...I didn't get the memo...again. :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 09:34:02 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.


THANK HEAVENS KLASS IS BACK!   I found my pencils.  Klaas, it was terrible.  I needed my muffs and someone hid them. San went savage.  Oh it was like a nightmare....oh sorry...I got carried away...glad you're back.


Now, where was I?  So no decision on what was really said concerning Lorenzo.  No one ever wanted to talk about him, not ever.  Just the fact that Bondia/Glenda/Julia  wouldn't speak about him says volumes.

I noticed, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 09:34:37 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What?  Everyone is going to bed?  I just got here. :shock:


we're in the new hidey hole.

use code A4IoPzQ76 for entrance, we changed the code.  :lol:



i want to come


apparently it's invitation only :roll:


humpf


I was j/k... you all know there is no hidey hole . . .  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 09:35:16 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What?  Everyone is going to bed?  I just got here. :shock:


I'm here, Lalas.

Love your new pencils.  :D


Well, aren't you just as cute as two pups playing...my bad...you ARE two pups playing. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.


THANK HEAVENS KLASS IS BACK!   I found my pencils.  Klaas, it was terrible.  I needed my muffs and someone hid them. San went savage.  Oh it was like a nightmare....oh sorry...I got carried away...glad you're back.


Now, where was I?  So no decision on what was really said concerning Lorenzo.  No one ever wanted to talk about him, not ever.  Just the fact that Bondia/Glenda/Julia  wouldn't speak about him says volumes.

So Simian wrote this about "others" supported an alibi for Lorenzo.   The date of this post was on the 23rd.  I believe there is a statement dated the 28th right.  So there has to be another statement.  Tyler said he was first questioned on the 16th I believe and a guy by the name of Max Arenz (sp) was his alibi.


wasn't he "panty boy"?

No, Max Arenz was not Panty Boy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 09:38:16 PM
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He had to be let go

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:22 pm
This is not my theory. This is for real.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:26 pm
The alibi story is the almost the latest.

The latest is that there’s a gap in the time-line for the boys.

It is true that one of them tried to off himself.


Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:41 pm
Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:40 pm
Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.

After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.

First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.

How can this ever be solved?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:55 pm
He has an alibi. So tight. So tight.



As you can see, Simian began talking alibis on June 22nd.  It all began with the discussion of the 5th suspect.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 09:38:25 PM
thanks Klaasend... I am getting confused by all these people... :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 09:40:09 PM
and the 5th was ... pvds?  or freddy?? or steve croes...?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 10, 2007, 09:41:13 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What?  Everyone is going to bed?  I just got here. :shock:


we're in the new hidey hole.

use code A4IoPzQ76 for entrance, we changed the code.  :lol:


That figures...I didn't get the memo...again. :roll:


I bet Rob was the one who used to keep you locked out of the old SM chat room.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 09:41:47 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
and the 5th was ... pvds?  or freddy?? or steve croes...?



Or Lorenzo?  Depends on the order.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 10, 2007, 09:41:48 PM
wasn't "panty boy"  the kid who was holding up a pair of flowered panties on the news,  Charles Rafini????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 09:42:39 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What?  Everyone is going to bed?  I just got here. :shock:


we're in the new hidey hole.

use code A4IoPzQ76 for entrance, we changed the code.  :lol:


That figures...I didn't get the memo...again. :roll:


I bet Rob was the one who used to keep you locked out of the old SM chat room.  :wink:


He did. I always blamed it on him.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mishy on July 10, 2007, 09:43:27 PM
Yes, MsDarthVada, Charles Rafini is "panty boy"...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 09:43:58 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
and the 5th was ... pvds?  or freddy?? or steve croes...?

Or was it Lorenzo.  A suspect who should have been called in as a suspect but they called him in as a witness.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 10, 2007, 09:45:17 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Yes, MsDarthVada, Charles Rafini is "panty boy"...


Thanks Mishy


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 09:46:11 PM
We keep coming back to the order of suspects.  Colombo and Eleye maintined that Paulus was the 5th suspect.  I know, some didn't like to think that, but that was their theory. ( I apologize if I have the incorrect)

Others maintained that the 5th suspect was Guido.  Still some say it was Lorenzo.  I still do not see Freddy as a suspect, or should I say he wasn't treated as a suspect by ALE.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 09:46:39 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
and the 5th was ... pvds?  or freddy?? or steve croes...?

Lorenzo


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 09:46:48 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
and the 5th was ... pvds?  or freddy?? or steve croes...?

Or was it Lorenzo.  A suspect who should have been called in as a suspect but they called him in as a witness.


excellent point... witness/suspect... same thing under their system


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 09:47:58 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
and the 5th was ... pvds?  or freddy?? or steve croes...?

Or was it Lorenzo.  A suspect who should have been called in as a suspect but they called him in as a witness.


Well, I think Lorenzo was a suspect at some point and here's why...witnesses do not need to provide alibis.  Lorenzo had to provide Max Arends as his alibi.  That leaves him as a suspect in my book...what does everyone else think?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
and the 5th was ... pvds?  or freddy?? or steve croes...?

Or was it Lorenzo.  A suspect who should have been called in as a suspect but they called him in as a witness.


excellent point... witness/suspect... same thing under their system


I beg to differ.  I thought the witnesses were more likely to go to prison than the suspects or so it seems.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 09:49:49 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
We keep coming back to the order of suspects.  Colombo and Eleye maintined that Paulus was the 5th suspect.  I know, some didn't like to think that, but that was their theory. ( I apologize if I have the incorrect)

Others maintained that the 5th suspect was Guido.  Still some say it was Lorenzo.  I still do not see Freddy as a suspect, or should I say he wasn't treated as a suspect by ALE.


Suspects:

1. Joran
2. Satish
3. Deepak
4. Freddy
5. Guido

or

1. Joran
2. Satish
3. Deepak
4. Paulus
5. Lorenzo

Why did Paulus get Freddy a lawyer along with the Kalpoes.  They are all suspects.

Why are they hiding Freddy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 09:50:03 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
and the 5th was ... pvds?  or freddy?? or steve croes...?


Mrs.Red:

There is some old posts from people from Aruba in june 2005 located here. We can take it all as speculation and rumor but there is some fact in what they are telling us. I think simian was implying that Lorenzo was the 5th suspect.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1291


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 09:51:19 PM
Lala's I am so confused at this point...

San... the Freddy connection is very interesting.... and the fact that he seems to be protected a lot is very telling IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mishy on July 10, 2007, 09:51:57 PM
Lorenzo=suspect IMHO...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 09:52:25 PM
Joran
Deepak
Satish
Paulus
Freddy
Guido
Lorenzo
Koen

Of the above...which ones did NOT hire lawyers?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 09:53:44 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Joran
Deepak
Satish
Paulus
Freddy
Guido
Lorenzo
Koen

Of the above...which ones did NOT hire lawyers?


We really don't know for sure, but I'd say we are not aware of any attorneys for Koen or Lorenzo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 09:55:49 PM
thx *******....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 09:57:24 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Joran
Deepak
Satish
Paulus
Freddy
Guido
Lorenzo
Koen

Of the above...which ones did NOT hire lawyers?


We really don't know for sure, but I'd say we are not aware of any attorneys for Koen or Lorenzo.


Ok what about Steve Croes, the 2 security guards and gvc?  I know that the two security guards were arrested before jvds and k2 - weren't they?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 09:59:43 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
and the 5th was ... pvds?  or freddy?? or steve croes...?

Or was it Lorenzo.  A suspect who should have been called in as a suspect but they called him in as a witness.


Well, I think Lorenzo was a suspect at some point and here's why...witnesses do not need to provide alibis.  Lorenzo had to provide Max Arends as his alibi.  That leaves him as a suspect in my book...what does everyone else think?


That Lala's is as sharp as a pencil.  :D

Good point


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Joran
Deepak
Satish
Paulus
Freddy
Guido
Lorenzo
Koen

Of the above...which ones did NOT hire lawyers?


We really don't know for sure, but I'd say we are not aware of any attorneys for Koen or Lorenzo.


Ok what about Steve Croes, the 2 security guards and gvc?  I know that the two security guards were arrested before jvds and k2 - weren't they?


yes


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 10:02:14 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Joran
Deepak
Satish
Paulus
Freddy
Guido
Lorenzo
Koen

Of the above...which ones did NOT hire lawyers?


We really don't know for sure, but I'd say we are not aware of any attorneys for Koen or Lorenzo.



Ok what about Steve Croes, the 2 security guards and gvc?  I know that the two security guards were arrested before jvds and k2 - weren't they?


The 2 security guards were released before Simian posted about the 5th suspect though.  I don't think Simian considered them suspects at that point.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 10:03:52 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
thx *******....


Your welcome.. I think if you read some of those old posts you will see why some of us are soo suspicious of Lorenzo. Many of these Arubans appear to be right on the money when they speak about Lorenzo. I think its worth the read when you have the time..

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1291


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 10:04:00 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Joran
Deepak
Satish
Paulus
Freddy
Guido
Lorenzo
Koen

Of the above...which ones did NOT hire lawyers?


Koen & Lorenzo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: IBE on July 10, 2007, 10:05:44 PM
Who was the suspect/witness who had a party, family reunion that night? and used that as his very tight alibi?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 10:07:49 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Who was the suspect/witness who had a party, family reunion that night? and used that as his very tight alibi?


Supposedly lorenzo. Not sure it was a family party, never heard that........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 10:09:48 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
thx *******....


Your welcome.. I think if you read some of those old posts you will see why some of us are soo suspicious of Lorenzo. Many of these Arubans appear to be right on the money when they speak about Lorenzo. I think its worth the read when you have the time..

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1291


I read this in one of theold posts you just posted the link to, happen to think this poster is RIGHT ON!


Lorenzo’s father owned a VW dealership and also had some sort of import/export business. He reportedly committed suicide and this drove Lorenzo insane. Maybe Lorenzo’s father didn’t take his own life. Maybe HE knew too much at one time?

Comment by new girl | June 26, 2005, 10:25 pm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 10:11:53 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Who was the suspect/witness who had a party, family reunion that night? and used that as his very tight alibi?


Freddie.  One of those all night family reunions.   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 10:12:52 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
thx *******....


Your welcome.. I think if you read some of those old posts you will see why some of us are soo suspicious of Lorenzo. Many of these Arubans appear to be right on the money when they speak about Lorenzo. I think its worth the read when you have the time..

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1291


I read this in one of theold posts you just posted the link to, happen to think this poster is RIGHT ON!


Lorenzo’s father owned a VW dealership and also had some sort of import/export business. He reportedly committed suicide and this drove Lorenzo insane. Maybe Lorenzo’s father didn’t take his own life. Maybe HE knew too much at one time?

Comment by new girl | June 26, 2005, 10:25 pm

Maybe Lorenzo was insane and murdered his father.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 10:13:56 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
thx *******....


Your welcome.. I think if you read some of those old posts you will see why some of us are soo suspicious of Lorenzo. Many of these Arubans appear to be right on the money when they speak about Lorenzo. I think its worth the read when you have the time..

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1291


I read this in one of theold posts you just posted the link to, happen to think this poster is RIGHT ON!


Lorenzo’s father owned a VW dealership and also had some sort of import/export business. He reportedly committed suicide and this drove Lorenzo insane. Maybe Lorenzo’s father didn’t take his own life. Maybe HE knew too much at one time?

Comment by new girl | June 26, 2005, 10:25 pm

Yeh I just looked at that a minute ago also..Makes me wonder what Pietjezz is saying here..Remember he told me in a email he knew Paul and Lorenzo. He also told me in the email that he didnt know why Paul hung humself and that it was a mystery.


but enberdad my tawa hear lorenzo dus the yui of the
donjo paul(cu owing to hang his curpa anja pasa) tawa
talk of enough time of wanted owing to come cu one vw
beast animal,plaka have,e cu his father tawa part
paper of hundred guilder for crazy hour cu they invita
we go trip cu they 08-20-2003, 01:21 PM Pietjezz


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 10:15:14 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "IBE"
Who was the suspect/witness who had a party, family reunion that night? and used that as his very tight alibi?


Freddie.  One of those all night family reunions.   :roll:

I thought it was Freddy also then we heard a story about Freddy staying over Joran's that night and he told Freddy a story about how he met this nice girl.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 10:16:16 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "IBE"
Who was the suspect/witness who had a party, family reunion that night? and used that as his very tight alibi?


Freddie.  One of those all night family reunions.   :roll:

I thought it was Freddy also then we heard a story about Freddy staying over Joran's that night and he told Freddy a story about how he met this nice girl.


I do remember that....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 10, 2007, 10:16:23 PM
WORD FOR THE DAY
Tuesday, Jul. 10  
 
If we could see the miracle of a single flower, our whole life would change.
 
 

The Buddha
.. I was at the Candle sight, Gratefulness. OT, but Budda always has a good thing or two to say...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 10:17:50 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "IBE"
Who was the suspect/witness who had a party, family reunion that night? and used that as his very tight alibi?


Freddie.  One of those all night family reunions.   :roll:

I thought it was Freddy also then we heard a story about Freddy staying over Joran's that night and he told Freddy a story about how he met this nice girl.


Anna remebers that I am sure as it was posted at RWV. All I remember he was detained and then released and If I remember correctly we were told Freddy left Aruba after that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 10:19:37 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "IBE"
Who was the suspect/witness who had a party, family reunion that night? and used that as his very tight alibi?


Freddie.  One of those all night family reunions.   :roll:

I thought it was Freddy also then we heard a story about Freddy staying over Joran's that night and he told Freddy a story about how he met this nice girl.


I never really heard the Freddy story, could be. What was said about LVR was that he was having a party, infact it was said at the time he had a girlfriend there, and a few friends?This part has always confused me since the earlier days, because initially it was Max Arenz (the race car driver-same age as lorenzo that was the alibi.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: IBE on July 10, 2007, 10:21:51 PM
In one of San's lists Freddy is # 4 and Guildo is #5... is it possible that Simian could think Freddy is number 5? I really haven't looked at Simian's posts in regards to matching up the date and times on that time line on AOL that was posted in the last few days.

Just wondering outloud. Anyone really studied the timelines or have ideas on this?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 10:21:55 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "IBE"
Who was the suspect/witness who had a party, family reunion that night? and used that as his very tight alibi?


Freddie.  One of those all night family reunions.   :roll:

I thought it was Freddy also then we heard a story about Freddy staying over Joran's that night and he told Freddy a story about how he met this nice girl.


Anna remebers that I am sure as it was posted at RWV. All I remember he was detained and then released and If I remember correctly we were told Freddy left Aruba after that.
I remember hearing that Freddy left Aruba,supposedly his father was in Venezuela and sick at the time.  :?:  :?:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 10:22:14 PM
I am going to say something crass,but honest,after this post,so Lalas,Mrs REd,and Klass,if you don't want a crass,but true observation,say so,and I won't.Easy may be able to confirm it


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 10:24:03 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack
Quote from: *******
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "IBE"


Anna remebers that I am sure as it was posted at RWV. All I remember he was detained and then released and If I remember correctly we were told Freddy left Aruba after that.
I remember hearing that Freddy left Aruba,supposedly his father was in Venezuela and sick at the time.  :?:  :?:


Thats what I remember as well..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: IBE on July 10, 2007, 10:24:39 PM
Is Freddy the one with the brother in FLA? who is a model and is supposedly very active in the Miami club scene?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 10:25:40 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "IBE"
Who was the suspect/witness who had a party, family reunion that night? and used that as his very tight alibi?


Freddie.  One of those all night family reunions.   :roll:

I thought it was Freddy also then we heard a story about Freddy staying over Joran's that night and he told Freddy a story about how he met this nice girl.


Anna remebers that I am sure as it was posted at RWV. All I remember he was detained and then released and If I remember correctly we were told Freddy left Aruba after that.
I remember hearing that Freddy left Aruba,supposedly his father was in Venezuela and sick at the time.  :?:  :?:

I don't believe his father was sick.  I believe this family has a major connection to drugs/mafia and that's why people are keeping away from them.  His father probably got sick after he heard his dumb son was involved in a murder.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 10:26:27 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Is Freddy the one with the brother in FLA? who is a model and is supposedly very active in the Miami club scene?


Yes, he is also in the sasha's birthday party pics. I forget his name but he is handsome compared to Freddy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 10:27:11 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Is Freddy the one with the brother in FLA? who is a model and is supposedly very active in the Miami club scene?

Yes IBE.  His name is Ernesto.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2007, 10:27:24 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Is Freddy the one with the brother in FLA? who is a model and is supposedly very active in the Miami club scene?


Yes but sleazy clubs.  I have always wondered if model in this case might equal porn star.  I can't see him in ads in GQ.

JMO

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 10:27:32 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
I am going to say something crass,but honest,after this post,so Lalas,Mrs REd,and Klass,if you don't want a crass,but true observation,say so,and I won't.Easy may be able to confirm it


Bring it on!  I have my muffs and pencils at the ready. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 10, 2007, 10:28:47 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "IBE"
Who was the suspect/witness who had a party, family reunion that night? and used that as his very tight alibi?


Freddie.  One of those all night family reunions.   :roll:
It may have taken all night, as everyone on the island is related!
Hello Monkeys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 10:28:57 PM
San wrote;
Quote

I don't believe his father was sick. I believe this family has a major connection to drugs/mafia and that's why people are keeping away from them. His father probably got sick after he heard his dumb son was involved in a murder.


You are very likely right I am not sure I believe it either,to convenient.......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 10:30:18 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "IBE"
Who was the suspect/witness who had a party, family reunion that night? and used that as his very tight alibi?


Freddie.  One of those all night family reunions.   :roll:

I thought it was Freddy also then we heard a story about Freddy staying over Joran's that night and he told Freddy a story about how he met this nice girl.


Anna remebers that I am sure as it was posted at RWV. All I remember he was detained and then released and If I remember correctly we were told Freddy left Aruba after that.
I remember hearing that Freddy left Aruba,supposedly his father was in Venezuela and sick at the time.  :?:  :?:

I don't believe his father was sick.  I believe this family has a major connection to drugs/mafia and that's why people are keeping away from them.  His father probably got sick after he heard his dumb son was involved in a murder.


I think he was picked up for having pictures of a teenage girl or something like that. But one of the charges against him was sex with a unconscious person. He was tagged and released like all the rest.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 10:30:41 PM
I remember the Freddy at Joran's place story.  We often speculated that he was there with the camera equipment.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 10:31:19 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I remember the Freddy at Joran's place story.  We often speculated that he was there with the camera equipment.


I still think this one is a distrinct possibility,


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: IBE on July 10, 2007, 10:31:27 PM
Tiger I am basically a shy mid-western girl. :roll: .. will it make my cheeks red??? :oops:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 10:32:52 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Tiger I am basically a shy mid-western girl. :roll: .. will it make my cheeks red??? :oops:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Here...take my muffs..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 10, 2007, 10:34:36 PM
Tiger Tiger burning bright ~ where are you?  We are impatiently waiting.
 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 10:35:04 PM
I have noticed normal men can't maintain an all night erection.In fact,I would doubt that 6-8 times,after a few beers and yards would be likely.Now Amyl Nitrate could help,but it can leave you enraged.I think that in 3 hours,the most is 16 times,shifting around.If anyone feels I am wrong,say so.I think the K2's were given a token rape or two after joran and dropped off.Then I think others jumped in like guido.They only had a 2-3 hour window,based on the effect of MDMa,etc.Yes,and the car would be a mess,so I think they went to somewhere with lights,then after the group sport,on the way back,she woke up,and fought.Pick your pervs,i am kinda a Judge Roy Bean type.Let the devil sort them out


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 10, 2007, 10:35:35 PM
Crass is ok with me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: IBE on July 10, 2007, 10:35:56 PM
Thanks  :lol:  :lol:  is this going to be like one of those lead-in teasers that Fox does and then there's nothing?

You know, Good Monkeys, we have been together a long, long time and when we read between the lines what Natalee might have had to bear, when our thoughts go there... I am now sure, anymore, if I can be shocked.

J4N !!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 10:38:18 PM
This idiot must be drinking again and beating his wife. Maybe Mother Nature is ignoring the obvious avalanche of boredom approaching when this chucklehead opens his pie hole!
 

Posted: Tue Jul 10th, 2007 10:29 pm   
    Quote           Reply   
charlierat wrote: I call double bullshit on Mother Nature.  The word "Wiretaps" was never uttered by Rep. Bachus and there are no other missing American tourists on Aruba (now or ever, unless you include a small handful of drownings in which the bodies were not recovered).
Since Mother Nature evidently didn't see this the first time around. I shall re-post it for her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 10:39:42 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
This idiot must be drinking again and beating his wife. Maybe Mother Nature is ignoring the obvious avalanche of boredom approaching when this chucklehead opens his pie hole!
 

Posted: Tue Jul 10th, 2007 10:29 pm   
    Quote           Reply   
charlierat wrote: I call double bullshit on Mother Nature.  The word "Wiretaps" was never uttered by Rep. Bachus and there are no other missing American tourists on Aruba (now or ever, unless you include a small handful of drownings in which the bodies were not recovered).
Since Mother Nature evidently didn't see this the first time around. I shall re-post it for her.


how many times can one person be wrong in only one paragraph?  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 10:40:15 PM
Well IBE i agree.She may not have awake enough to know.I have heard from many that mdma does that.One woman told me her sister slipped her one at 16,and the next thing she new,she was dancing on the den table nude,opps.The fight was later and was probaly quick and violent.She got in a couple good ones,also.Being hit and stomped tends to do that,thus the shoes.I think Koen saw her body,and was horrified.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 10:40:51 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
I have noticed normal men can't maintain an all night erection.In fact,I would doubt that 6-8 times,after a few beers and yards would be likely.Now Amyl Nitrate could help,but it can leave you enraged.I think that in 3 hours,the most is 16 times,shifting around.If anyone feels I am wrong,say so.I think the K2's were given a token rape or two after joran and dropped off.Then I think others jumped in like guido.They only had a 2-3 hour window,based on the effect of MDMa,etc.Yes,and the car would be a mess,so I think they went to somewhere with lights,then after the group sport,on the way back,she woke up,and fought.Pick your pervs,i am kinda a Judge Roy Bean type.Let the devil sort them out


I am stuck back on the six-to eight times! Now I do hear that Sting from the police can go for 6-8 hours, but apart from that(and I always have thought of him as superman), one time in a honda seems nearly impossible to me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 10:41:26 PM
chuck is huffing again.or hitting the dust.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 10, 2007, 10:42:41 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Well IBE i agree.She may not have awake enough to know.I have heard from many that mdma does that.One woman told me her sister slipped her one at 16,and the next thing she new,she was dancing on the den table nude,opps.The fight was later and was probaly quick and violent.She got in a couple good ones,also.Being hit and stomped tends to do that,thus the shoes.I think Koen saw her body,and was horrified.


Amyl Nitrate
Tiger, what is that?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 10:43:44 PM
Honda are fine.So are any cars,but they had beds and lights.The cars were an hor devour,before the main show.A single guy,maybe more 6-8,but in a crowd,who knows.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: IBE on July 10, 2007, 10:44:01 PM
Viagra time???

Actually, Tiger you have a position to ponder (no pun intended). All you said could be true, except, IMO Joran still could or would wish to hang around in his apt. to watch the others.

If he acts like it's a joke with all the ALE interviewing him and what is going on, I couldn't see him leaving the "action" and I am not sure he could take a death seriously at the time.

IMO uploading a video there to FLA in real time could be a possibility too. Still think Sloots house is close enough to hotels for WiFi and I know from research that it is at the complex where the Kalpoes live.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 10:44:22 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
I have noticed normal men can't maintain an all night erection.In fact,I would doubt that 6-8 times,after a few beers and yards would be likely.Now Amyl Nitrate could help,but it can leave you enraged.I think that in 3 hours,the most is 16 times,shifting around.If anyone feels I am wrong,say so.I think the K2's were given a token rape or two after joran and dropped off.Then I think others jumped in like guido.They only had a 2-3 hour window,based on the effect of MDMa,etc.Yes,and the car would be a mess,so I think they went to somewhere with lights,then after the group sport,on the way back,she woke up,and fought.Pick your pervs,i am kinda a Judge Roy Bean type.Let the devil sort them out

Joran had a bruise on his face and Guido had scratch marks.  The person with the temper could have been both of them.  The charges against Guido are too big to ignore.  I believe she did fight back and I also believe she got that phone call off.  Joran knew that he was in big trouble and their went his future.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Well IBE i agree.She may not have awake enough to know.I have heard from many that mdma does that.One woman told me her sister slipped her one at 16,and the next thing she new,she was dancing on the den table nude,opps.The fight was later and was probaly quick and violent.She got in a couple good ones,also.Being hit and stomped tends to do that,thus the shoes.I think Koen saw her body,and was horrified.


I think soo also..She punched Joran in the face and scratched Guido. She woke up at some point and freaked out after she saw what the pimps did to her. How would most people react after being drugged and raped? It probably happened after NH was able to get off those two phone calls and recovered enough from being drugged.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 10:45:22 PM
Poppers,commen in the gay scene and street bars,in the 70's.Nasty drug.By the way,the road to insanity,for lvr is a short street


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Red on July 10, 2007, 10:46:38 PM
Hello Monkeys ... how is every one this evening?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 10:46:44 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Rob"
This idiot must be drinking again and beating his wife. Maybe Mother Nature is ignoring the obvious avalanche of boredom approaching when this chucklehead opens his pie hole!
 

Posted: Tue Jul 10th, 2007 10:29 pm   
    Quote           Reply   
charlierat wrote: I call double bullshit on Mother Nature.  The word "Wiretaps" was never uttered by Rep. Bachus and there are no other missing American tourists on Aruba (now or ever, unless you include a small handful of drownings in which the bodies were not recovered).
Since Mother Nature evidently didn't see this the first time around. I shall re-post it for her.


how many times can one person be wrong in only one paragraph?  :lol:  :lol:


So where did we come up with "wiretaps"?  I thought that was what Bacchus said they were angry about?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 10:47:51 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
This idiot must be drinking again and beating his wife. Maybe Mother Nature is ignoring the obvious avalanche of boredom approaching when this chucklehead opens his pie hole!
 

Posted: Tue Jul 10th, 2007 10:29 pm   
    Quote           Reply   
charlierat wrote: I call double bullshit on Mother Nature.  The word "Wiretaps" was never uttered by Rep. Bachus and there are no other missing American tourists on Aruba (now or ever, unless you include a small handful of drownings in which the bodies were not recovered).
Since Mother Nature evidently didn't see this the first time around. I shall re-post it for her.

You honestly don't believe Charlierat is married do you?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 10, 2007, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Hello Monkeys ... how is every one this evening?


um,  we are fine.  Just learning new terms.   :oops:  :oops:  How about you?  Any sailing news?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 10:49:11 PM
He did say wiretaps.So what,was chuch there.I think not.I do agree that joran stayed for the whole show,and the ride back.i think she was killed on the way to the drop off point.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 10:50:37 PM
Chuck is married to a woman.No other comment.Lives in a less affluent suburb,than Natalee did.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: IBE on July 10, 2007, 10:50:38 PM
Nash Ramblers probably aren't in Aruba so would need a room :lol:  :lol:

(for you that might not know, Nash Rambler was a car whose seats make into a bed in the 50's)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 10:50:41 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/threadlock.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 10:51:12 PM
Rob... is he really worthy of bandwith? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


what adult uses language like "I call double bullshit"?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 10:51:56 PM
and charlierat continues -

and there has NEVER EVER been a rape on Aruba unless you count a few handfuls of people taken out to the desert and gangbanged against their will while their husband was drugged and thrown in a closet.

and unless you consider getting scooped of the street in front of CnC and driven around and then thrown out of the car and you are so happy with the results that you neglect to tell youR husband because you thrilled to be on Aruba.

and unless you consider a 15 year old getting gangbanged by her classmates and a man who take pictures and pass them around on the internet on their cell phones.

and unless you consider your lips tingling after a drink provided by Joran van der Sloot normal and waking up naked under his bed.

and unless you happen to find yourself under one Minister Ramon. Then off course you are thrilled that such a wonderful and powerful man has taken his penis out in your house and proceeded to use it on you.

and unless consider the Oduber maid had no business stickin her tush up in the air when she was cleaning for VIPS of Aruba.

and of course unless you happen to have your papers taken by one of Aruba's most powerful men and a member of the most powerful family on the Island. So you are given the privilege of earning your papers back over the years.

ARUBA SUX ! ! !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 10:51:56 PM
Chuck is married?  I'm shocked  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 10:52:03 PM
Yes,I dated in one in the 60's,nice cars,for a drive in,along with many other cars


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 10, 2007, 10:52:12 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
He did say wiretaps.So what,was chuch there.I think not.I do agree that joran stayed for the whole show,and the ride back.i think she was killed on the way to the drop off point.


He did say wiretaps. I heard it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 10:52:33 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
This idiot must be drinking again and beating his wife. Maybe Mother Nature is ignoring the obvious avalanche of boredom approaching when this chucklehead opens his pie hole!
 

Posted: Tue Jul 10th, 2007 10:29 pm   
    Quote           Reply   
charlierat wrote: I call double bullshit on Mother Nature.  The word "Wiretaps" was never uttered by Rep. Bachus and there are no other missing American tourists on Aruba (now or ever, unless you include a small handful of drownings in which the bodies were not recovered).
Since Mother Nature evidently didn't see this the first time around. I shall re-post it for her.

You honestly don't believe Charlierat is married do you?

 :lol:  :smt046  :smt044  :smt043


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 10, 2007, 10:53:00 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Nash Ramblers probably aren't in Aruba so would need a room :lol:  :lol:

(for you that might not know, Nash Rambler was a car whose seats make into a bed in the 50's)


I drove my parent's Rambler Classic to college & work each day, until it need replacement....yeah, it was an antique...that was just a few years ago, IBE... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: IBE on July 10, 2007, 10:53:33 PM
Tiger Great imput.

What do "poppers" do and what does "lvr" mean?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 10:54:27 PM
Rob,you are so right.And I worried about being off color.Good night,I shall sleep with nightmares.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 10:55:21 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Tiger Great imput.

What do "poppers" do and what does "lvr" mean?


LVR = Lorenzo van Rijn

Poppers:
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Variety of popper brandsPoppers is the street term for various alkyl nitrites taken for recreational purposes through direct inhalation, particularly amyl nitrite, butyl nitrite and isobutyl nitrite.[1][2] Amyl nitrite has a centuries-long history of use in treating angina,[3] as well as an antidote to cyanide poisoning.[4][5] Amyl nitrite and several other alkyl nitrites which are used in over-the-counter products, such as room odorizers and video head cleaners, may be inhaled to enhance sexual pleasure.[6] Use is particularly prominent among gay urban men.[6] These products have long been part of the club culture from the 1970s disco scene to the 1980s and 1990s


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Red on July 10, 2007, 10:55:29 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Red"
Hello Monkeys ... how is every one this evening?


um,  we are fine.  Just learning new terms.   :oops:  :oops:  How about you?  Any sailing news?


Full steam ahead ... plans are being finalized as we type. It is a large task, especially when dealing with an outside entity that is so large and sophistcated.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 10, 2007, 10:55:35 PM
Yes, I'm way behind here, but per the Simian post....there was no earlier in the week...mid-week, maybe....unless Aruba starts their week on Wednesday/Thursday.....that still sticks in my craw..(is that right for a Yankee to say? lol)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on July 10, 2007, 10:55:40 PM
Hiya Monkeys

With the BS CHUCK is spewing it just proves he needs to be on the rock with others of his mentality or his dad should have thrown his sorry ass out of the plane over the ocean on the way to the states. JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 10:56:14 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Hello Monkeys ... how is every one this evening?


Hello Mr. Red.  We are good, you?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 10:56:14 PM
Poppers get you hard and sometimes kill you.With Viagra you only go blind,sometimes.Where is my dog,i need to go to bed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 10:56:46 PM
Lvr is Lorenzo


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Red on July 10, 2007, 10:57:27 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Red"
Hello Monkeys ... how is every one this evening?


Hello Mr. Red.  We are good, you?


Always good ... a bit ti-red, but good. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 10, 2007, 10:59:32 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
This idiot must be drinking again and beating his wife. Maybe Mother Nature is ignoring the obvious avalanche of boredom approaching when this chucklehead opens his pie hole!
 

Posted: Tue Jul 10th, 2007 10:29 pm   
    Quote           Reply   
charlierat wrote: I call double bullshit on Mother Nature.  The word "Wiretaps" was never uttered by Rep. Bachus and there are no other missing American tourists on Aruba (now or ever, unless you include a small handful of drownings in which the bodies were not recovered).
Since Mother Nature evidently didn't see this the first time around. I shall re-post it for her.

You honestly don't believe Charlierat is married do you?
LMAO! :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 10, 2007, 11:01:15 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Red"
Hello Monkeys ... how is every one this evening?


um,  we are fine.  Just learning new terms.   :oops:  :oops:  How about you?  Any sailing news?


Full steam ahead ... plans are being finalized as we type. It is a large task, especially when dealing with an outside entity that is so large and sophistcated.
Thanks for the info Red!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 11:02:09 PM
Red
I would like to ask you this..but if you would rather not answer...so be it...I will understand.  Does Tim actually pretty good reliable sources or reasons to expend all this time and money in a deep water search?  I don't want him to go down there and get the shaft like he has before.  They are a ruthless bunch and I fear for everyone's safety.  I guess, what I want to know is...what kind of info would Tim need to know just where to look for Natalee?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 11:02:15 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Tiger"
He did say wiretaps.So what,was chuch there.I think not.I do agree that joran stayed for the whole show,and the ride back.i think she was killed on the way to the drop off point.


He did say wiretaps. I heard it.



Paulus was wiretapped and got caught with his pants down in court. Greta heard Bachus say "wiretaps". Bachus also said they knew straight away this was not the case of a runaway teen. how did he know that? Bet you they are sitting on a bunch of them. Wiretapping goes on for days and weeks even months at a time. The tape rolls every time a call comes in. All calls are recorded, meaningless or not. It is tedious, long and drawn out work.


Title: More terms
Post by: IBE on July 10, 2007, 11:02:46 PM
Tiger what's "mdra"

One time someone in the 70's whom I had trusted,  popped out the nitrate when I knew nothing about it and he did it without warning.. I have had lung problems in the past and it about did me in. It took all my oxygen away... I couldn't get my breath and pushed him away.

Last time I was ever, ever with him!

Do young people take Viagra???? to help when they have been drinking???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 11:04:14 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Red"
Hello Monkeys ... how is every one this evening?


um,  we are fine.  Just learning new terms.   :oops:  :oops:  How about you?  Any sailing news?


Full steam ahead ... plans are being finalized as we type. It is a large task, especially when dealing with an outside entity that is so large and sophistcated.



Am glad to hear this Red. It sounds like they have some very hi-tech equipment coming in. They must have some good leads to go to that expense.


Title: Re: More terms
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 11:04:26 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Tiger what's "mdra"

One time someone in the 70's whom I had trusted,  popped out the nitrate when I knew nothing about it and he did it without warning.. I have had lung problems in the past and it about did me in. It took all my oxygen away... I couldn't get my breath and pushed him away.

Last time I was ever, ever with him!

Do young people take Viagra???? to help when they have been drinking???


young ppl take Viagra because of among other things that commerical that talks about 4 hrs....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 10, 2007, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Tiger"
He did say wiretaps.So what,was chuch there.I think not.I do agree that joran stayed for the whole show,and the ride back.i think she was killed on the way to the drop off point.


He did say wiretaps. I heard it.



Paulus was wiretapped and got caught with his pants down in court. Greta heard Bachus say "wiretaps". Bachus also said they knew straight away this was not the case of a runaway teen. how did he know that? Bet you they are sitting on a bunch of them. Wiretapping goes on for days and weeks even months at a time. The tape rolls every time a call comes in. All calls are recorded, meaningless or not. It is tedious, long and drawn out work.


Not knowing what's involved, my mind went to Paulus going to answer the phone while on the interview with Greta w/Anita....wonder who called that was so important he HAD to answer?  Can't ever get over that....it's like the fools that have cell phones on in church during a wedding or funeral...


Title: Re: More terms
Post by: robots on July 10, 2007, 11:05:29 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Tiger what's "mdra"

One time someone in the 70's whom I had trusted,  popped out the nitrate when I knew nothing about it and he did it without warning.. I have had lung problems in the past and it about did me in. It took all my oxygen away... I couldn't get my breath and pushed him away.

Last time I was ever, ever with him!

Do young people take Viagra???? to help when they have been drinking???



hi IBE

never taken it  8)

dont know if young people take it


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 10, 2007, 11:06:08 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Chuck is married?  I'm shocked  :shock:
A lot of gay men get married to fool everyone...just saying, LOL :lol: And no Chuck, I am not homophobic. I do not care who sleeps with who, as long as they are both willing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Red on July 10, 2007, 11:07:41 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Red
I would like to ask you this..but if you would rather not answer...so be it...I will understand.  Does Tim actually pretty good reliable sources or reasons to expend all this time and money in a deep water search?  I don't want him to go down there and get the shaft like he has before.  They are a ruthless bunch and I fear for everyone's safety.  I guess, what I want to know is...what kind of info would Tim need to know just where to look for Natalee?


Aruba can participate if they wish. They can play nice if they wish. Frankly, the last thing they need is to be further obstructionists in this investigation. That would be some more good world PR for tourism.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 11:08:54 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Chuck is married?  I'm shocked  :shock:
A lot of gay men get married to fool everyone...just saying, LOL :lol: And no Chuck, I am not homophobic. I do not care who sleeps with who, as long as they are both willing.

I am not racist, homophobic or a member of the klan... but I have to admit a strong prejudice against rats... and people named chuck :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: IBE on July 10, 2007, 11:09:56 PM
My face is  :oops:  for asking these questions. Thank you for the answers.

Red, I do hope there are answers. Thank you to you and all the Good Monkeys who wish Justice for Natalee.

Klaas, I thought "lvr" was short for "lover". :lol:  :lol:  Am a few decades behind!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 11:10:20 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"


Not knowing what's involved, my mind went to Paulus going to answer the phone while on the interview with Greta w/Anita....wonder who called that was so important he HAD to answer?  Can't ever get over that....it's like the fools that have cell phones on in church during a wedding or funeral...



Whoever it was, it's on tape.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Bet you everybody that ever talked to the Sloots are a bit queasy trying to remember what they said knowing they were being tapped.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Red on July 10, 2007, 11:10:57 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Red"
Hello Monkeys ... how is every one this evening?


um,  we are fine.  Just learning new terms.   :oops:  :oops:  How about you?  Any sailing news?


Full steam ahead ... plans are being finalized as we type. It is a large task, especially when dealing with an outside entity that is so large and sophistcated.



Am glad to hear this Red. It sounds like they have some very hi-tech equipment coming in. They must have some good leads to go to that expense.


We have been meaning to do a post on the company doing the search and an interview with Dana. We have held back for certain reasons. However, next show we hope to have the man behind all this on the Dana Pretzer Show


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 10, 2007, 11:11:17 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Red
I would like to ask you this..but if you would rather not answer...so be it...I will understand.  Does Tim actually pretty good reliable sources or reasons to expend all this time and money in a deep water search?  I don't want him to go down there and get the shaft like he has before.  They are a ruthless bunch and I fear for everyone's safety.  I guess, what I want to know is...what kind of info would Tim need to know just where to look for Natalee?


Aruba can participate if they wish. They can play nice if they wish. Frankly, the last thing they need is to be further obstructionists in this investigation. That would be some more good world PR for tourism.


So is that a yes, that Tim has a reliable source & reasons to search in  the water?  Sorry, I just didn't comprehend this ans an answer to Lala's question....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 10, 2007, 11:11:18 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Chuck is married?  I'm shocked  :shock:
A lot of gay men get married to fool everyone...just saying, LOL :lol: And no Chuck, I am not homophobic. I do not care who sleeps with who, as long as they are both willing.

I am not racist, homophobic or a member of the klan... but I have to admit a strong prejudice against rats... and people named chuck :roll:
Me too rats and snakes... :lol:  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 11:12:22 PM
My guess is those PIMPS were all on XTC that night..They all seemed to be up all night and even satish missed school the next day. They probably had a great supplier in Lorenzo and Joran had the hookup. Probably why we saw that very first post that Natalee left with a drug dealer. Joran probably sold it at C&C and his other hangouts and it explains where he gets his money to gamble.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 11:14:13 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"


Am glad to hear this Red. It sounds like they have some very hi-tech equipment coming in. They must have some good leads to go to that expense.


We have been meaning to do a post on the company doing the search and an interview with Dana. We have held back for certain reasons. However, next show we hope to have the man behind all this on the Dana Pretzer Show


Fantastic! Don't blame you for holding back. Am sure some on Aruba aren't particularly happy those boats coming in and there is no reason to give them any information.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 11:15:18 PM
Quote from: "*******"
My guess is those PIMPS were all on XTC that night..They all seemed to be up all night and even satish missed school the next day. They probably had a great supplier in Lorenzo and Joran had the hookup. Probably why we saw that very first post that Natalee left with a drug dealer. Joran probably sold it at C&C and his other hangouts and it explains where he gets his money to gamble.

I believe Joran has taken every drug available.  The only one he might not have sampled was heroin.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 11:18:15 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"


Not knowing what's involved, my mind went to Paulus going to answer the phone while on the interview with Greta w/Anita....wonder who called that was so important he HAD to answer?  Can't ever get over that....it's like the fools that have cell phones on in church during a wedding or funeral...



Whoever it was, it's on tape.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Bet you everybody that ever talked to the Sloots are a bit queasy trying to remember what they said knowing they were being tapped.


After reading transcripts from Joran's book it is clear he was in constant contact with Van Der Straaten. Anita seemed to know a reporter or someone connected to news as she called someone after hearing Nataelee was found on june 4th. Those phone records are soo important and I wonder if they have been sabataged like everything else??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: IBE on July 10, 2007, 11:19:01 PM
Red didn't you say the two coming in are at least 300 feet long?

So, when these ships or do we call them boats come in.... may we please have a heads up so we can start emailing MSM for them to cover it.

I hope someone will be on board to update your blog, like in live time???

TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 10, 2007, 11:20:39 PM
Good night....will pick up later...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on July 10, 2007, 11:21:16 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"


Not knowing what's involved, my mind went to Paulus going to answer the phone while on the interview with Greta w/Anita....wonder who called that was so important he HAD to answer?  Can't ever get over that....it's like the fools that have cell phones on in church during a wedding or funeral...



Whoever it was, it's on tape.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Bet you everybody that ever talked to the Sloots are a bit queasy trying to remember what they said knowing they were being tapped.


After reading transcripts from Joran's book it is clear he was in constant contact with Van Der Straaten. Anita seemed to know a reporter or someone connected to news as she called someone after hearing Nataelee was found on june 4th. Those phone records are soo important and I wonder if they have been sabataged like everything else??



Depends on who was doing the wiretapping. Doubt they sabotaged the FBI files.  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Red on July 10, 2007, 11:21:40 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Red didn't you say the two coming in are at least 300 feet long?

So, when these ships or do we call them boats come in.... may we please have a heads up so we can start emailing MSM for them to cover it.

I hope someone will be on board to update your blog, like in live time???

TIA


One ship is like 270 and the other 340. We are in the process of seeing what we can do for some coverage. That is in the works.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: IBE on July 10, 2007, 11:22:29 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"


Not knowing what's involved, my mind went to Paulus going to answer the phone while on the interview with Greta w/Anita....wonder who called that was so important he HAD to answer?  Can't ever get over that....it's like the fools that have cell phones on in church during a wedding or funeral...



Whoever it was, it's on tape.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
 v
Bet you everybody that ever talked to the Sloots are a bit queasy trying to remember what they said knowing they were being tapped.


After reading transcripts from Joran's book it is clear he was in constant contact with Van Der Straaten. Anita seemed to know a reporter or someone connected to news as she called someone after hearing Nataelee was found on june 4th. Those phone records are soo important and I wonder if they have been sabataged like everything else??


Well, if the Aruban government owns the phone comany, the wi=fi company, maybe the wiretaps are all that "we" have :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 11:22:34 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Good night....will pick up later...

Goodnight 2NJSons.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 11:22:34 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Red
I would like to ask you this..but if you would rather not answer...so be it...I will understand.  Does Tim actually pretty good reliable sources or reasons to expend all this time and money in a deep water search?  I don't want him to go down there and get the shaft like he has before.  They are a ruthless bunch and I fear for everyone's safety.  I guess, what I want to know is...what kind of info would Tim need to know just where to look for Natalee?


Aruba can participate if they wish. They can play nice if they wish. Frankly, the last thing they need is to be further obstructionists in this investigation. That would be some more good world PR for tourism.


So is that a yes, that Tim has a reliable source & reasons to search in  the water?  Sorry, I just didn't comprehend this ans an answer to Lala's question....


I was about to ask the same thing...I didn't comprehend it either. Sorry.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 10, 2007, 11:23:51 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Good night....will pick up later...
Goodnight, I almost didn't recognize you. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 10, 2007, 11:24:54 PM
I am headed to get some sleep but I will ask Red to be sure he answers y'all because I don't know .....

Nite Y'all


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 11:25:15 PM
Either of these two ships have any missile launchers systems?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 11:26:23 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Either of these two ships have any missile launchers systems?


LOL!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Red on July 10, 2007, 11:27:00 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Red
I would like to ask you this..but if you would rather not answer...so be it...I will understand.  Does Tim actually pretty good reliable sources or reasons to expend all this time and money in a deep water search?  I don't want him to go down there and get the shaft like he has before.  They are a ruthless bunch and I fear for everyone's safety.  I guess, what I want to know is...what kind of info would Tim need to know just where to look for Natalee?


Aruba can participate if they wish. They can play nice if they wish. Frankly, the last thing they need is to be further obstructionists in this investigation. That would be some more good world PR for tourism.


So is that a yes, that Tim has a reliable source & reasons to search in  the water?  Sorry, I just didn't comprehend this ans an answer to Lala's question....


Tim would not do this unless they did have a good reason to. Sorry to be cryptic, but must be right now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 11:27:08 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Either of these two ships have any missile launchers systems?

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 10, 2007, 11:28:37 PM
This looks a little threatening to me.

charlierat Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:42 pm

<snip>

The Imperial Wizard over at the Klan has a bullseye on his chest. His little insignificant board has been one of the most consistent sources of lies and misrepresentations going.

<snip>


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 11:28:45 PM
You told me just what I needed to know.  Thanks. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: IBE on July 10, 2007, 11:28:58 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "IBE"
Red didn't you say the two coming in are at least 300 feet long?

So, when these ships or do we call them boats come in.... may we please have a heads up so we can start emailing MSM for them to cover it.

I hope someone will be on board to update your blog, like in live time???

TIA


One ship is like 270 and the other 340. We are in the process of seeing what we can do for some coverage. That is in the works.


Yippee !!!  Thanks.
If the ships were coming from the area that I live in (and I could take my dog) I'd volunteer; have no plans for the future.  I don't fly but can do dishes, scrub decks in small doses, smile a lot and be encouraging.

All our Monkeys will be on board in thoughts and prayers!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 11:30:00 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
This looks a little threatening to me.

charlierat Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:42 pm

<snip>

The Imperial Wizard over at the Klan has a bullseye on his chest. His little insignificant board has been one of the most consistent sources of lies and misrepresentations going.

<snip>

Is he going to hit us with his purse.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Sue on July 10, 2007, 11:30:04 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Either of these two ships have any missile launchers systems?


ROFLMFAO :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 11:33:18 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
This looks a little threatening to me.

charlierat Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:42 pm

<snip>

The Imperial Wizard over at the Klan has a bullseye on his chest. His little insignificant board has been one of the most consistent sources of lies and misrepresentations going.

<snip>


Chuckrat...shove it!  I am sick of your crap, I really am.  What is a lie?  That Joran and Deepak and Satish didn't have Natalee in the car?  That Joran has told more lies than you?  Maybe you think Steve Croes didn't lie for Deepak after all. What is a lie?  Point it out, so we can tear your little theories to shreds...I am so sick of this...I really am.  Yes, that's my @%#%$ opinion!  :x


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 11:33:27 PM
Red:

Do you know how far out is condisered to be (International)open water?? Is it a mile?10 miles?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 11:38:35 PM
I meant MDMA,or XTC.Sorry,I am a man,and my mind was on other things.I still have a dream of an Irish jig,with pimps doing the dance.take care and good night.LALA's,I hate it when you mince words.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 10, 2007, 11:39:10 PM
Bah I scewed that question up :lol: I am just curious how far off the aruban coast you have to go for it to be international waters. I dont think its that far maybee a mile or soo..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 11:40:34 PM
3 or 12 or 12 miles,generally,.I find Chuck words to be a threat,so I will take all action to protect my family.if I see him around my house


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2007, 11:41:23 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
This looks a little threatening to me.

charlierat Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:42 pm

<snip>

The Imperial Wizard over at the Klan has a bullseye on his chest. His little insignificant board has been one of the most consistent sources of lies and misrepresentations going.

<snip>


who is exulted with this title?  I hope it's me!!!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Spock on July 10, 2007, 11:41:25 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Who was the suspect/witness who had a party, family reunion that night? and used that as his very tight alibi?


As I recall, Koen had a family reunion that night. His alibi was so tight, that he was unable to be detained for questioning. As a matter of fact, his father came to the police station station, to answer questions for him. One of the prosecutors resigned over the fact that Koen was not brought in.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 10, 2007, 11:43:27 PM
i think the Simian question has been answered,Koen


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 10, 2007, 11:44:23 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
3 or 12 or 12 miles,generally,.I find Chuck words to be a threat,so I will take all action to protect my family.if I see him around my house
Do not worry about it, Charlie...um Chuckkke is nothing more than a bag of hot air.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Patches O'Hoolihan on July 10, 2007, 11:44:58 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
This looks a little threatening to me.

charlierat Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:42 pm

<snip>

The Imperial Wizard over at the Klan has a bullseye on his chest. His little insignificant board has been one of the most consistent sources of lies and misrepresentations going.

<snip>


Wouldn't a threat have to constitute one that actually instilled some fear?

"You couldn't hit water if you fell out of a boat!"

Sounds more like an ass clown trying to get attention. Seems like awfully big words from some one who cries all the time.

Chuck ,,, if you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball ... too bad you can't.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 10, 2007, 11:45:09 PM
Quote from: "Rob"


who is exulted with this title?  I hope it's me!!!  :lol:


No, he devoted a whole thread to the subject at RU.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 11:47:12 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
I meant MDMA,or XTC.Sorry,I am a man,and my mind was on other things.I still have a dream of an Irish jig,with pimps doing the dance.take care and good night.LALA's,I hate it when you mince words.


Night Tiger and all the rest that are leaving.  Sweet dreams.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mishy on July 10, 2007, 11:49:59 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
3 or 12 or 12 miles,generally,.I find Chuck words to be a threat,so I will take all action to protect my family.if I see him around my house


Sounds like a threat to me too...doesn't the FBI respond to internet threats?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 11:50:01 PM
Quote from: "Patches O'Hoolihan"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
This looks a little threatening to me.

charlierat Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:42 pm

<snip>

The Imperial Wizard over at the Klan has a bullseye on his chest. His little insignificant board has been one of the most consistent sources of lies and misrepresentations going.

<snip>


Wouldn't a threat have to constitute one that actually instilled some fear?

"You couldn't hit water if you fell out of a boat!"

Sounds more like an ass clown trying to get attention. Seems like awfully big words from some one who cries all the time.

Chuck ,,, if you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball ... too bad you can't.

Welcome Patches.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 10, 2007, 11:50:26 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"


who is exulted with this title?  I hope it's me!!!  :lol:


No, he devoted a whole thread to the subject at RU.
That is because he hates that we are getting the truth out about Aruba and the corruption there. Nothing more nothing less. Let him blow it outta his ass as long as he wants. We will too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 10, 2007, 11:51:35 PM
San, I love your new avatar!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 11:52:34 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"


who is exulted with this title?  I hope it's me!!!  :lol:


No, he devoted a whole thread to the subject at RU.
That is because he hates that we are getting the truth out about Aruba and the corruption there. Nothing more nothing less. Let him blow it outta his ass as long as he wants. We will too.

I see a future disbarment in the near future.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: San on July 10, 2007, 11:53:28 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
San, I love your new avatar!

Thanks Elaine.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 10, 2007, 11:54:14 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Tiger"
3 or 12 or 12 miles,generally,.I find Chuck words to be a threat,so I will take all action to protect my family.if I see him around my house


Sounds like a threat to me too...doesn't the FBI respond to internet threats?


He has been pushing it too far lately.  This is just another example.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 10, 2007, 11:55:14 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"


who is exulted with this title?  I hope it's me!!!  :lol:


No, he devoted a whole thread to the subject at RU.
That is because he hates that we are getting the truth out about Aruba and the corruption there. Nothing more nothing less. Let him blow it outta his ass as long as he wants. We will too.

I see a future disbarment in the near future.
If he is a lawyer at all, God forbid, He needs to be disbarred.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 10, 2007, 11:57:04 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
This looks a little threatening to me.

charlierat Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:42 pm

<snip>

The Imperial Wizard over at the Klan has a bullseye on his chest. His little insignificant board has been one of the most consistent sources of lies and misrepresentations going.

<snip>


The "bullseye" reference does sound threatening.  Besides, if we are so insignificant then why does he even bother?  That tells me we are not so insignificant as Rat claims.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Red on July 10, 2007, 11:57:13 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Red:

Do you know how far out is condisered to be (International)open water?? Is it a mile?10 miles?


Sorry about that was posting on the Missing Persons site.

I do not think you have to go that far. I believe its only 3.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 11, 2007, 12:00:12 AM
Chuckkke was born on Aruba so he feels the need to defend it. He has lived on Alabama for 34 years or so?
I was born in Germany and lived there 10 years, but I am in America now, I am an American first and foremost. Let the rat go back to his rock since he loves it so much. We do not need him here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 12:00:56 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Tiger"
3 or 12 or 12 miles,generally,.I find Chuck words to be a threat,so I will take all action to protect my family.if I see him around my house


Sounds like a threat to me too...doesn't the FBI respond to internet threats?


He has been pushing it too far lately.  This is just another example.


I wonder if his rage is ungluing him?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 12:02:37 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Chuckkke was born on Aruba so he feels the need to defend it. He has lived on Alabama for 34 years or so?
I was born in Germany and lived there 10 years, but I am in America now, I am an American first and foremost. Let the rat go back to his rock since he loves it so much. We do not need him here.


Here! Here!  Applause for Elaine.  Excellent!

And with that I am hugging Nemo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 12:03:39 AM
Nite Lala's


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 12:04:30 AM
Nite Lala's and everyone


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 11, 2007, 12:04:59 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Chuckkke was born on Aruba so he feels the need to defend it. He has lived on Alabama for 34 years or so?
I was born in Germany and lived there 10 years, but I am in America now, I am an American first and foremost. Let the rat go back to his rock since he loves it so much. We do not need him here.


Here! Here!  Applause for Elaine.  Excellent!

And with that I am hugging Nemo.
Thanks Lala's., have a great night! :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 12:06:12 AM
Night Lalas, night Lanie, night San and all the rest of the monkeys...I'm calling it a night as well...sweet dreams and prayers for you all...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 11, 2007, 12:07:21 AM
Quote from: "mishy"
Night Lalas, night Lanie, night San and all the rest of the monkeys...I'm calling it a night as well...sweet dreams and prayers for you all...
Goodnight Mishy, take good care!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 12:07:58 AM
Nite Mishy - you too BB if you are also calling it a nite


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Elaine on July 11, 2007, 12:13:11 AM
I am right behind them, headed for the bunky, but wanted to say "Welcome back" to Klaas! Also, I hope your son had a great birthday and is OK after the car accident.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 12:16:55 AM
Nite Elaine


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: Observer on July 11, 2007, 12:19:03 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "*******"
Red:

Do you know how far out is condisered to be (International)open water?? Is it a mile?10 miles?


Sorry about that was posting on the Missing Persons site.

I do not think you have to go that far. I believe its only 3.


K..Thanks!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 12:20:29 AM
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Please move to LCD# 655


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