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Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 10, 2007, 11:26:02 PM
Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 12:03:25 AM
8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 12:44:29 AM
i chose not to cheat  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rooscrew on July 11, 2007, 12:59:55 AM
Klaas~
Just now caught up with the thread and wanted to tell you Welcome Back from your trip.  :)

Roos~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 01:20:44 AM
Quote from: "Rooscrew"
Klaas~
Just now caught up with the thread and wanted to tell you Welcome Back from your trip.  :)

Roos~

Hi Roos - thanks!  It's good to be home!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 11, 2007, 01:22:32 AM
So this is what 1:30 AM EST looks like on SM....huh!!!...I thought you West Coast Monkeys threw a party as soon as we all went to bed....LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 01:23:28 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
So this is what 1:30 AM EST looks like on SM....huh!!!...I thought you West Coast Monkeys threw a party as soon as we all went to bed....LOL

Sometimes it's busier but most of the time no.  Slows nicely down these days  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 11, 2007, 01:24:00 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
So this is what 1:30 AM EST looks like on SM....huh!!!...I thought you West Coast Monkeys threw a party as soon as we all went to bed....LOL

Sometimes it's busier but most of the time no.  Slows nicely down these days  :wink:
:D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 11, 2007, 01:40:44 AM
klaas - here is something I posted on the M&C thread. If you have the time, please read (or skim). I "know" we have had long posts, but I worry about whether it's really okay? But I am afraid the link may eventually fade away ... what do you think? Is it okay to copy/paste the whole thing?

I had not seen this before, although others may have ... it is very informative.

Quote
The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba

Tom Blickman - TNI Researcher {Transnational Institute}
Transnational Organized Crime Vol. 3, No. 2, Summer 1997

"A magnificent washing-machine is sold here, its trademark is Aruba. The machine is an Aruban-Colombian product, its model called Cartel. The brand is well-known for its good performance in the United States and Europe. It is recommended by former ministers, members of Parliament, owners of casinos, supermarkets, cosmetics manufacturers and importers of cars and batteries. The washing-machine fits everybody who has become inexplicably rich from one day to another."


msmarple notes:
Quote
More at link:
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

This is a very long article, and note that it is dated 1997. Some very interesting information and background; names some names and political parties. I hesitate to post it because of the length.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 01:44:19 AM
msmarple - the only problem I have with that article is that RU and FOB keep bringing it up and saying it proves Jossy is a money launderer.  I don't see where the article talks about Jossy but about other family members.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 01:50:31 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IBE on July 11, 2007, 04:22:12 AM
Just a little kid here, seeing if I am on page 1. :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Leslie on July 11, 2007, 05:32:01 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
24ora
http://www.24ora.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 11, 2007, 06:51:46 AM
My personal opinion on Tim's new water search. I posted this yesterday at BFN in a reply to someone.

"I hope when the time comes for Tim to do his search that he tells no one when exactly he will leave the States, tells no one exactly when he will arrive and where he will be doing the search/searches (other than of course the people who need to be told for legality/logistics, etc.) NO ONE SHOULD KNOW exactly what, when and where all will be taking place."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Peaches on July 11, 2007, 07:32:03 AM
Good morning.

I agree totally, Nut.  Sneak on in and get the job done.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on July 11, 2007, 07:35:00 AM
Good morning Peaches.
Hope you are feeling better.
It seems most of the monkeys are in disguise.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on July 11, 2007, 07:37:43 AM
I agree there should be as little publicity as practicable regarding the sea search.
No need to tip off anyone who may need to move something or otherwise cover their tracks.  Catch them on the hop, I say.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 07:44:18 AM
I just wish TES had some type of official assurances that they will be allowed to do their job.  It would not be the first time they pulled the resources together only to hit a brick wall when they got to Aruba.

I was reading some of the LVR discussion and I also think it is very strange that they decided to bust him for a few pot plants.  It was either a show for the Dutch, he didn’t make his pay-offs on time, or they wanted to pressure him about something else.  Something sure seems strange about it considering the fact that drugs are peddled on most street corners and in KIA.

His arrest and all this other stuff coming out of Aruba at this time is one helluva coincidence, imo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 11, 2007, 07:44:45 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I agree there should be as little publicity as practicable regarding the sea search.
No need to tip off anyone who may need to move something or otherwise cover their tracks.  Catch them on the hop, I say.



BINGO!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Peaches on July 11, 2007, 07:45:04 AM
I believe I would have a sharpshooter and someone taking video on board the ship too.  

Just in case the natives get restless.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on July 11, 2007, 07:49:05 AM
I think the drug bust with LvR is a cover for something much bigger.  If they hauled him in without a visible reason everyone would immediately assume it was to do with Natalee's case.  This way they can make it look like a routine drug bust and not have to explain any further until they are ready.  I would bet that the KLPD is grilling him over more than a few hobby plants!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on July 11, 2007, 07:52:21 AM
Yep, I would have the whole operation documented in full, plus some backup protection.  I am sure all this is being well taken care of by Tim and the professionals carrying out the search.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Frijole on July 11, 2007, 07:52:47 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
I believe I would have a sharpshooter and someone taking video on board the ship too.  

Just in case the natives get restless.


Good one Peaches.  So sad but so true.  Got to document everything - can't trust anyone.  

I agree re the secrecy on arrival etc.  The problem is that it's gotta be hard for a 350 ft vessel to sneak into any area.   :lol: But I would try to do as much as possible in international waters.  No sense in going onto land and talking to anyone since that would just be a waste of time anyway.

Yep- a sharpshooter and someone with a camera documenting the whole thing.  Works for me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 07:55:01 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I think the drug bust with LvR is a cover for something much bigger.  If they hauled him in without a visible reason everyone would immediately assume it was to do with Natalee's case.  This way they can make it look like a routine drug bust and not have to explain any further until they are ready.  I would bet that the KLPD is grilling him over more than a few hobby plants!


That’s my hope.  Whether he was directly involved or not, people living his lifestyle tend to hear about the dark side of things.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on July 11, 2007, 07:55:37 AM
Nice talking to you early bird monkeys but it is Bunkey time in this part of the world.  Catch you later in your day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 07:58:37 AM
Has anyone ever seen a source for online nautical maps of the waters surrounding Aruba?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Peaches on July 11, 2007, 08:16:25 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Has anyone ever seen a source for online nautical maps of the waters surrounding Aruba?


I can't recall but I bet there are some out there and some smart monkey will find them.

I bet the US Navy has some.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 08:20:47 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Has anyone ever seen a source for online nautical maps of the waters surrounding Aruba?


I can't recall but I bet there are some out there and some smart monkey will find them.

I bet the US Navy has some.


Last time I did a search I wound up at a Dutch site and got a virus.  Had to clear stuff and re-install IE just to get rid of the thing!   :shock:

I would like to see the water depth, distances from land and currents.  That is going to be a huge undertaking unless there has been a good tip.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 08:23:42 AM
I've always thought contained and dropped into deep water would be the logical, quick way to dispose of something on Aruba.  But considering how very little any private property was ever searched, who knows....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Peaches on July 11, 2007, 08:31:40 AM
I agree, Easy.  

It's difficult to get one's head as far up one's ass as would be necessary to make good common sense of the actions and motivations of the "natives".

I'm thinking machine gun on the bow, maybe under a nice blue tarp.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 11, 2007, 08:34:20 AM
M&C thread tops 36,000 views - 36,026.

Good morning.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 11, 2007, 08:39:42 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/   07/11/2007

Quote
Stolen police laptop found back  

ORANJESTAD – The laptop stolen from the home of a Dutch police official was found back.  Two detectives of the Police Corps Aruba ( KPA ) traveled to the Dominican Republic to recover the laptop, which contains a whole lot of information on the criminality in Aruba and a strategic plan.  

The stolen laptop belonged to an official of KPLD from the Netherlands .  He is in Aruba since March to make a so-called ‘combat criminality’ analysis.  The coordination is with the Public Prosecutor (OM).  Janneke Ponsioen of the OM says that the data on the laptop is especially from public sources, like annual reports.  The reason why the OM , the police, and the Detective Cooperative Team ( RST ) wanted the laptop back is according to her, the amount of time that was put into this analysis.    

Up till now, five persons were arrested in this case and five houses were raided.  In one of the homes it appears that a person had bought the laptop and taken it with other stolen goods to the Dominican Republic .  The Dominican police have arrested this person.

With this investigation, the police have found a group of burglars with a permanent receiver.  The investigation is being continued.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 08:39:46 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
I agree, Easy.  

It's difficult to get one's head as far up one's ass as would be necessary to make good common sense of the actions and motivations of the "natives".

I'm thinking machine gun on the bow, maybe under a nice blue tarp.


One thing for sure and that is the internet spokespeople for Aruba have done a damn good job of making the place look like Devil's rock!  I've never read such garbage and then it ends up in print in some "newspaper."  WTH are these people thinking?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2007, 08:45:34 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
http://www.amigoe.com/english/   07/11/2007

Quote
Stolen police laptop found back  

ORANJESTAD – The laptop stolen from the home of a Dutch police official was found back.  Two detectives of the Police Corps Aruba ( KPA ) traveled to the Dominican Republic to recover the laptop, which contains a whole lot of information on the criminality in Aruba and a strategic plan.  

The stolen laptop belonged to an official of KPLD from the Netherlands .  He is in Aruba since March to make a so-called ‘combat criminality’ analysis.  The coordination is with the Public Prosecutor (OM).  Janneke Ponsioen of the OM says that the data on the laptop is especially from public sources, like annual reports.  The reason why the OM , the police, and the Detective Cooperative Team ( RST ) wanted the laptop back is according to her, the amount of time that was put into this analysis.    

Up till now, five persons were arrested in this case and five houses were raided.  In one of the homes it appears that a person had bought the laptop and taken it with other stolen goods to the Dominican Republic .  The Dominican police have arrested this person.

With this investigation, the police have found a group of burglars with a permanent receiver.  The investigation is being continued.


WOW!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 11, 2007, 08:56:06 AM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 11, 2007, 09:01:10 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
M&C thread tops 36,000 views - 36,026.

Good morning.


MsMarple,

I love your Ms Marple avatar, hope you keep it!

On the Murder and Crime Thread, I hope Dugga can help us put it in a place that is easier to find in the new forum or whatever is coming.  Now one would just about have to know it is in the ICDocuments or have a link to it.  I wish it were located in such a manner that a person from even another country, say The Netherlands for instance  :wink:  :roll: , could just go to the Forum Index and see where it is.

Yes, we are getting a couple of hundred hits a day.   :shock: Some days more.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 09:02:37 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
http://www.amigoe.com/english/   07/11/2007

Quote
Stolen police laptop found back  

ORANJESTAD – The laptop stolen from the home of a Dutch police official was found back.  Two detectives of the Police Corps Aruba ( KPA ) traveled to the Dominican Republic to recover the laptop, which contains a whole lot of information on the criminality in Aruba and a strategic plan.  

The stolen laptop belonged to an official of KPLD from the Netherlands .  He is in Aruba since March to make a so-called ‘combat criminality’ analysis.  The coordination is with the Public Prosecutor (OM).  Janneke Ponsioen of the OM says that the data on the laptop is especially from public sources, like annual reports.  The reason why the OM , the police, and the Detective Cooperative Team ( RST ) wanted the laptop back is according to her, the amount of time that was put into this analysis.    

Up till now, five persons were arrested in this case and five houses were raided.  In one of the homes it appears that a person had bought the laptop and taken it with other stolen goods to the Dominican Republic .  The Dominican police have arrested this person.

With this investigation, the police have found a group of burglars with a permanent receiver.  The investigation is being continued.


Interesting that they could find a laptop in the Dominican Republic, but they couldn't find a missing girl when they were taken directly to the last people seen with her.  Did they use F16's to find that laptop?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 11, 2007, 09:06:13 AM
Yes, I thought that recovered laptop article would be good for a few laughs.

Meanwhile, the Comments keep coming in Palm Beach County, Florida. Here is a sample:

Quote
MIP
Oranjestad, Aruba  Reply »
|Flag |#48 1 hr ago
Kudos to Palm Beach County Florida in making Mr. Jorge Pesquera the top choice to lead the tourism board for your county.
PBC’s gain will most certainly be Aruba’s lose, as Mr. Pesquera has been a leader by example in his efforts to improve the tourism product for Aruba.

Pay no attention to the 40 some comments from those who claim Mr. Pesquera to be something that he is NOT. Those folks come from a small internet site whose only goal in life is to hate anything and everyone even remotely associated with Aruba. Most of them have never been beyond the city limits of their own hometowns and as the tag line on the site states are “like minded”. Like minded in this case has a couple of meanings, first it means they all share a single brain cell among the active membership of about 50 and secondly it means for the most part they are all xenophobic haters who have nothing more in their miserably lives to do than spend hours daily coming up with ways to “destroy” Aruba. Lastly these like-minded **** are nothing more than keyboard chips, hence the name of the site “Scared **** They spend their days and nights pounding at the keyboards thinking what they do gives some meaning to their empty lives.

Again congratulates in the chose of Mr. Jorge Pesquera to lead the Palm Beach County tourism efforts, I see great things ahead for Palm Beach with Mr. Jorge Pesquera at the helm.
 

Here is a link to the most current Comments page:

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/TQHLISI1HSQRHTQMV/p3


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 11, 2007, 09:07:43 AM
Oh, my!  It is certainly telling when even the KLPD is not safe from crime in Aruba.

That comes to mind first and secondly that someone wanted to see the contents of that computer very badly!  And looks like that is one crime they actually bothered to investigate.

The article 2NJ posted yesterday gave that murder rate of 30 per 100,000 with the U.S. only having 7 per 100,000 but then the author goes on about how safe it is in the Caribbean anyway just as though those stats don't count.

And he does NOT take into account other crime.  I certainly don't want to be robbed as KLPD just was, raped or beaten either and it does not address those issues.  Crime in that region is just totally out of control and I think KLPD having their lap top stolen is a good example of that.  Room invasion would frighten most of us, too, especially if we woke up with strangers in the room going through our belongings.

But in a way, I do get a chuckle out of the good ole KLPD having to deal first hand with the crime the tourists are coping with daily.

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 11, 2007, 09:18:18 AM
MsMarple,

You debated whether or not to post that very long article on the mafia in Aruba but I tend to agree with Klaas.  It is pretty old information yet some take it to smear everybody with the last name Mansur.

It is so odd how people named Croes, Weaver, etc. can all be non-related and not even know each other and yet everyone named Mansur has to be very, very closely so.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 09:29:05 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Yes, I thought that recovered laptop article would be good for a few laughs.

Meanwhile, the Comments keep coming in Palm Beach County, Florida. Here is a sample:

Quote
MIP
Oranjestad, Aruba  Reply »
|Flag |#48 1 hr ago
Kudos to Palm Beach County Florida in making Mr. Jorge Pesquera the top choice to lead the tourism board for your county.
PBC’s gain will most certainly be Aruba’s lose, as Mr. Pesquera has been a leader by example in his efforts to improve the tourism product for Aruba.

Pay no attention to the 40 some comments from those who claim Mr. Pesquera to be something that he is NOT. Those folks come from a small internet site whose only goal in life is to hate anything and everyone even remotely associated with Aruba. Most of them have never been beyond the city limits of their own hometowns and as the tag line on the site states are “like minded”. Like minded in this case has a couple of meanings, first it means they all share a single brain cell among the active membership of about 50 and secondly it means for the most part they are all xenophobic haters who have nothing more in their miserably lives to do than spend hours daily coming up with ways to “destroy” Aruba. Lastly these like-minded **** are nothing more than keyboard chips, hence the name of the site “Scared **** They spend their days and nights pounding at the keyboards thinking what they do gives some meaning to their empty lives.

Again congratulates in the chose of Mr. Jorge Pesquera to lead the Palm Beach County tourism efforts, I see great things ahead for Palm Beach with Mr. Jorge Pesquera at the helm.
 

Here is a link to the most current Comments page:

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/TQHLISI1HSQRHTQMV/p3


Looks like that comment came from MIP6  as it is signed MIP. Well there you have it, what more would one expect?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 09:36:57 AM
Interesting quote from the past from Mr Pesquera hehe...

" The new President & CEO of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association introduced himself yesterday to the press and the tourism community at a conference held at the Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino. "I would like to become the island's adoptive son," he said, "not your hired gun."

http://tinyurl.com/2txl33


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 11, 2007, 09:37:12 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Yes, I thought that recovered laptop article would be good for a few laughs.

Meanwhile, the Comments keep coming in Palm Beach County, Florida. Here is a sample:

Quote
MIP
Oranjestad, Aruba  Reply »
|Flag |#48 1 hr ago
Kudos to Palm Beach County Florida in making Mr. Jorge Pesquera the top choice to lead the tourism board for your county.
PBC’s gain will most certainly be Aruba’s lose, as Mr. Pesquera has been a leader by example in his efforts to improve the tourism product for Aruba.

Pay no attention to the 40 some comments from those who claim Mr. Pesquera to be something that he is NOT. Those folks come from a small internet site whose only goal in life is to hate anything and everyone even remotely associated with Aruba. Most of them have never been beyond the city limits of their own hometowns and as the tag line on the site states are “like minded”. Like minded in this case has a couple of meanings, first it means they all share a single brain cell among the active membership of about 50 and secondly it means for the most part they are all xenophobic haters who have nothing more in their miserably lives to do than spend hours daily coming up with ways to “destroy” Aruba. Lastly these like-minded **** are nothing more than keyboard chips, hence the name of the site “Scared **** They spend their days and nights pounding at the keyboards thinking what they do gives some meaning to their empty lives.

Again congratulates in the chose of Mr. Jorge Pesquera to lead the Palm Beach County tourism efforts, I see great things ahead for Palm Beach with Mr. Jorge Pesquera at the helm.
 

Here is a link to the most current Comments page:

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/TQHLISI1HSQRHTQMV/p3


Looks like that comment came from MIP6  as it is signed MIP. Well there you have it, what more would one expect?


I am sure the comments were really taken seriously - considering all the blathering...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 11, 2007, 09:38:05 AM
Ooooops...

Good Morning Monkeys!  Mostly Working and Lurking...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:42:04 AM
misssion is ON TARGET


tourism is in the TANK


now, to Break the TANK into PIECES
 :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on July 11, 2007, 09:53:37 AM
From FOB-this link:http://www.misdaadjournalist.nl
I am only going to post the translation I got from freetranslation.com because it's kind of long:


Wednesday 11 July:  Suzanne Wisman and Natalee Holloway

Update 11:30 hour:  

The Public Ministry in Axes goes in occupation.  It finds the judgment was demanded - 20 year plus tbs - too low, there 30 year against Henk of D. for the murder of Suzanne Wisman.  I was there already fearfully for, but it is present standard, that higher occupations record.  Has no single sense, there is no appearance of chance that it indeed 30 year becomes, that knowledge really everybody that also but rather knowledge how this kind of trials works.  Costs all only time, money and unnecessary sorrow at the surviving relatives.  Can the whole horror circus yet a time dunnetjes be done again.  

Nearly everything of the trial stands here, De Murder of Suzanne Wisman, and the parts II and III.  

*

Ex-marinated René Holshuijsen (47) that past weekend in Hengelo has been shot by a policeman, was not known by the ABP/BRD in the frame of the nazorg.  How did he come at the pistol?  There its more questions.  Will will veterans that fatally have been run through all the same medicines have uses.  I sort out yet.  

Holshuijsen is marinated been and made marinated part from of the Particular Assistance of Unity (BBE), neat as for instance most known of the Netherlands, Eric O.  During its missions in the foreign country Holshuijsen heavy getraumatiseerd would be hit.  

Yesterday I had the over that other run through veteran, Pascal F., murderer of Nadia of the Mere.  The broadcast of Location Requested in which Nadia's mother and sister at the word come was not last night, but is next week Tuesday.  

*

It is even lay what lines, but then you have also what.  The mystery of the secret airplane of the Holloways appears solved.  Correspondent Macamba wanted to be ears on Aruba to listen, talked with what men that know can the and was tells what it really on the hand.  Should perhaps Network have had to do its/her homework a little bit better, can get must be able to come this information of distance than I then the own correspondent on Aruba that really also behind?  Me appear.  

The facts.  

Natalee has been knocked loose on Aruba totally in a celebration animal.  Her mother has been brought two days for the intended departure of Natalee on the height by the excesses of her daughter and the use of drugs.  That is the reason that the mother by Avoided-Shady Chartering a medi-vac flight has posted and paid.  Mother expected a child complete at the drugs and alcohol on to hit, hence the medical team with it.  

The story by the 4,000 dollars in combination with it be present in a drugs building is not affirmed, the RST (investigation Department Cooperation Team) has no indications that this is happened.  

In the broadcast of Network complained Rolled Dompig that he was tegengewerkt from the United States, until almost at the White House.  In that sit possible a core of truth.  The stepfathers of Natalee is a large sponsor of the conservative party of George Bush.  He has would be important connections, the family 'untouchable'.  Might there all indications are that someone of the family there on a boring manner something with to make would have, then see to the State Department and the FBI for it that it in private remains.  That declares the results of Dompig that on a wall of unwillingness stopped as it ask over the family went.

Dompig is left otherwise not voluntarily at the corps, the Arubaanse minister of Justice Rudy Croes has him with a golden handshake and honorary discharge heengezonden.  

Over Natalee: the police sees her as a middle-class girl that always in the pace has must walk by her conservative parents and during a holiday on Aruba everything of her off has gegooid.  Besides is fixed come to stand that they repeated times under influence of alcohol is been, she is well reliable indicated at a drugs building with other local boys that cocaine to buy.  

It remains guess actually is happened at what it.  The RST delivers about that no decisive answer.  

Good.  Warm thanks, Macamba.  What does he think there self from?  

"I remain it it on hold that they with a boat have been taken along because they that laveloos and weak-willedly on the beach lay to sleep.  No option, the currents has been drowned had thrown around the island the body (or the remnants) certain defense on the coast."  

Natalee should have had to listen to John Fogerty, notwithstanding that the 'bath moon rising' remain must, and that evening in the hotel.  

Don' t go around tonight

Well, its bound to task your life

There's a bath moon on the rise.  

As a result of my message about this (past Sunday) someone steered sings a shady to YouTube true John this number.  State


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: LilPuma on July 11, 2007, 09:55:22 AM
Morning monkeys.  As usual, I stop in a couple times a day hoping for news.  This time, I wanted to add a little tidbit about Aruban supporters and their lack of integrity.  

The Holloway-Twitty family supporters that I met on the AOL-Holloway boards in the first year after Natalee's disappearance have had a lot of problems on that board with the AOL team who monitor the boards and act on complaints about posters.  While being attacked personally, being falsely accused of various and sundry crimes, including harrassing the children of a Beth basher (even though they don't even know what state she lives in), they have been repeatedly banned from the AOL Message Boards for usually minor "infractions".  At the same time, some outrageous behavior by the Beth bashers were ignored for the most part and this includes their attempts to dig up personal information about them and "stalking" them on other message boards.   At least one of the Holloway-Twitty supporters had her AOL account terminated because of complaints by the AOL version of the darkside.  One of the people they were referred to with their complaints was named Ron and they got little or no satisfaction in trying to resolve the problems.  This morning, one of them found this picture on his "AIM" page:  

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k304/LilPuma04/RonCasalottiCOMET.jpg)

Have a great day everyone!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 09:59:39 AM
Message from Bonsai Monkey: :lol:

Glenda, we are watching you....

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/SMWatchingGlenda.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on July 11, 2007, 10:00:11 AM
Lil Puma-who's that suppose to be in the pic?It's so small I can't tell.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 10:06:17 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Message from Bonsai Monkey: :lol:

Glenda, we are watching you....

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/SMWatchingGlenda.jpg)


Has she had botox treatments, extensive plastic surgery, extended stay at Betty Ford's......

I could care less, but ain't it funny what some people choose to focus upon?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 10:11:29 AM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
From FOB-this link:http://www.misdaadjournalist.nl
I am only going to post the translation I got from freetranslation.com because it's kind of long:


That's kind of hard to read.  Are they basically debunking the Renfro/Dompig BS?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on July 11, 2007, 10:19:27 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
From FOB-this link:http://www.misdaadjournalist.nl
I am only going to post the translation I got from freetranslation.com because it's kind of long:


That's kind of hard to read.  Are they basically debunking the Renfro/Dompig BS?


I'm not sure,that's why I brought here to see if anyone could make out what it means. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 10:22:26 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
http://www.amigoe.com/english/   07/11/2007

Quote
Stolen police laptop found back  

ORANJESTAD – The laptop stolen from the home of a Dutch police official was found back.  Two detectives of the Police Corps Aruba ( KPA ) traveled to the Dominican Republic to recover the laptop, which contains a whole lot of information on the criminality in Aruba and a strategic plan.  

The stolen laptop belonged to an official of KPLD from the Netherlands .  He is in Aruba since March to make a so-called ‘combat criminality’ analysis.  The coordination is with the Public Prosecutor (OM).  Janneke Ponsioen of the OM says that the data on the laptop is especially from public sources, like annual reports.  The reason why the OM , the police, and the Detective Cooperative Team ( RST ) wanted the laptop back is according to her, the amount of time that was put into this analysis.    

Up till now, five persons were arrested in this case and five houses were raided.  In one of the homes it appears that a person had bought the laptop and taken it with other stolen goods to the Dominican Republic .  The Dominican police have arrested this person.

With this investigation, the police have found a group of burglars with a permanent receiver.  The investigation is being continued.


Hmmm, wonder what the Dominican interest is in Arubian crime analysis?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 11, 2007, 10:28:56 AM
GEL,

I can't understand it either but it seems to me to say that Beth found out two days before she arrived that Natalee was heavily into drugs and alcohol especially cocaine and that is why she chartered the Medjet, to treat Natalee for using these so to excess.

But I can't make out at all what it says finally happened to Natalee other than the "bath" moon caused it?  She should have stayed in her hotel??  Just vanished as Arlene used to tell us?  She was using cocaine so much on the beach she passed out and drowned, maybe?

I don't think it is truthful nor very complimentary of Natalee at all.



Why are all these accusations coming out now suddenly?  I do think some of those promoting them hope to sell "their story" for book or movie making and cash in on this tragedy that happened to somebody else.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 10:30:18 AM
Is Janneke Ponsioen the new prosecutor on Aruba?  Do we have a picture?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 11, 2007, 10:33:45 AM
In the previous article at that Dutch site, the author discusses the Amigoe article.
Among other comments, he is critical that they did not even contact Beth for a comment.  From translation, he talks of lunatics always come out during these cases, similiar to the McCann case.  Could be for money or attention.  Either one is boring. I believe he talks of trying to make logic out of nonsense.  Maybe Robert can give us the full gist.

Als hier al een kern van waarheid in zit – ik houd er ernstig rekening mee dat het totale onzin is allemaal – is er wel sprake van een bepaalde logica. Bij elke verdwijningszaak zijn er imbecielen die proberen de wanhopige familie af te persen. Zie ook de idioot uit Eindhoven die de ouders van Madeleine McCann een paar miljoen afhandig wilde maken. Het gaat dat soort figuren niet eens om het geld, maar om de aandacht. Iedereen weet dat je met zulke gekken te maken krijgt, maar het blijft vervelend.

Translation

As here all a core of truth in stretch – I love there serious bill with that the total nonsense is all – is there well talk a particular logic.  By each disappearances affair are there imbeciles that try the desperate family finished to press.,.  See also the idiotic out end courts that the parents make of Madeleine McCann a few million afhandig savage.  It do not goes around that kind of figures once the money, but round the attention.  Everybody know that you with such lunatics to make get, but it remains boring.  

http://tinyurl.com/ywnjpm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 10:35:00 AM
First,it is BAD MOON RISING,idiots.Get your titles right.Second-The stats say that the pimps had some inside ideas on who to go after.I think the rooms were rigged with mini cams to record things,like in the bathroom.I also think they selected a group that wasn't hooking up with own group,ever night,who didn't have other problems,and could be seperated.They watched.Natalee's group had one suddenly get a bad case of vomiting,so guess what part of the group,not all,but part take her back.The buddy system is broken.I think a little XTC was given to some earlier,to make them less wary,and then one was loose from the herd.I think this is how the pimps worked.I think it had worked well over 100 times in several years.joran was an apprentice,just as val was.You went,sampled and learned.Of course,control of temper was a problem.When the women come too,they are either cowed or angry,you dump then,not fight them.I think koen is the 5 suspect ,based on Simian.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on July 11, 2007, 10:36:12 AM
Anna-
I really didn't think it was anything good about Natalee-are all those people into blaming victims and their families?
I think that is 'Bad Moon on the Rise" a song athe article is saying Natalee should have listened to it or paid attention to it,I think.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: LilPuma on July 11, 2007, 10:36:24 AM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Lil Puma-who's that suppose to be in the pic?It's so small I can't tell.


I was afraid to blow the margins so it came out avatar size.  It's Ron, whose AIM page says Yes, I do work for AOL.  This is the guy my friends were referred to with their complaints about blatantly unfair treatment of Beth-Dave supporters.  Ron is standing in front of La Ronda Cafe - Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 11, 2007, 10:37:00 AM
Morning Monkeys....

Just reading back and doing a quick drive by...

I find it very interesting that Chuck is threatening Red.... and if we are so insignificant as you say ratboy, then why bother?  Honestly, climb back into your cave  -  :roll:

GEL, I couldn't understand the article either....

And I have been reading the point about LVR being busted and all of this coming out at the same time... I may have to rethink what I think about all of that...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 10:37:11 AM
Drugs and money drive the island,including Dominica.I have a form for chuck,maybe I will mail it,maybe not.Bullseye is strong.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 11, 2007, 10:40:48 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
GEL,

I can't understand it either but it seems to me to say that Beth found out two days before she arrived that Natalee was heavily into drugs and alcohol especially cocaine and that is why she chartered the Medjet, to treat Natalee for using these so to excess.

But I can't make out at all what it says finally happened to Natalee other than the "bath" moon caused it?  She should have stayed in her hotel??  Just vanished as Arlene used to tell us?  She was using cocaine so much on the beach she passed out and drowned, maybe?

I don't think it is truthful nor very complimentary of Natalee at all.



Why are all these accusations coming out now suddenly?  I do think some of those promoting them hope to sell "their story" for book or movie making and cash in on this tragedy that happened to somebody else.

.


I believe he is critical of the Renfro article.  His original belief (and he supposedly has a reporter on the island  :roll: ) was that she drowned, now they think someone after Joran, got her and took her away on a boat.

His "reporter", among other things, says Dompig was a tour director for DePalm, never qualified and didn't step down but was let go.  Natalee was supposedly seen by a drug house with two locals who were thought to be buying cocaine...didn't say anything about Natalee using or buying.  There has never been confirmation about any sighting or $4,000 request.  There is a refernce to checking with some police force out of Curacao which makes me once again question whether the case is being handled from there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 11, 2007, 10:41:03 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Lil Puma-who's that suppose to be in the pic?It's so small I can't tell.


I was afraid to blow the margins so it came out avatar size.  It's Ron, whose AIM page says Yes, I do work for AOL.  This is the guy my friends were referred to with their complaints about blatantly unfair treatment of Beth-Dave supporters.  Ron is standing in front of La Ronda Cafe - Aruba.


OF course... why should there be any ethics in anything?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on July 11, 2007, 10:41:40 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Lil Puma-who's that suppose to be in the pic?It's so small I can't tell.


I was afraid to blow the margins so it came out avatar size.  It's Ron, whose AIM page says Yes, I do work for AOL.  This is the guy my friends were referred to with their complaints about blatantly unfair treatment of Beth-Dave supporters.  Ron is standing in front of La Ronda Cafe - Aruba.


Oh ok thanks. I'm on AOL but do not go on their message boards. Don't think I will either.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 11, 2007, 10:43:03 AM
Quote from: "Tiger"
First,it is BAD MOON RISING,idiots.Get your titles right.Second-The stats say that the pimps had some inside ideas on who to go after.I think the rooms were rigged with mini cams to record things,like in the bathroom.I also think they selected a group that wasn't hooking up with own group,ever night,who didn't have other problems,and could be seperated.They watched.Natalee's group had one suddenly get a bad case of vomiting,so guess what part of the group,not all,but part take her back.The buddy system is broken.I think a little XTC was given to some earlier,to make them less wary,and then one was loose from the herd.I think this is how the pimps worked.I think it had worked well over 100 times in several years.joran was an apprentice,just as val was.You went,sampled and learned.Of course,control of temper was a problem.When the women come too,they are either cowed or angry,you dump then,not fight them.I think koen is the 5 suspect ,based on Simian.


This is such a good point given what we know about Natalee and her friends' behavior patterns earlier in the week--especially he fact that they sometimes took cabs to C&Cs instead of riding on the bus with the rest of the MB students. If Joran's group could identify this group as easily preyed upon (and also very cute, fun-loving girls), they could easily separate one from the rest of the group. Good theory!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 11, 2007, 10:44:51 AM
Quote from: "Buckeye"

I believe he is critical of the Renfro article.  His original belief (and he supposedly has a reporter on the island  :roll: ) was that she drowned, now they think someone after Joran, got her and took her away on a boat.

His "reporter", among other things, says Dompig was a tour director for DePalm, never qualified and didn't step down but was let go.  Natalee was supposedly seen by a drug house with two locals who were thought to be buying cocaine...didn't say anything about Natalee using or buying.  There has never been confirmation about any sighting or $4,000 request.  There is a refernce to checking with some police force out of Curacao which makes me once again question whether the case is being handled from there.


Buckeye,

What do you make of why it says Beth got the Medjet?  What about two days before?

So this could be a totally new person/source entering yet differernt scenarios for getting J2K off the hook?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 11, 2007, 10:45:24 AM
LilPuma's pix was so small I can't see it at all....I see no pix in her post....??? :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: LilPuma on July 11, 2007, 10:46:06 AM
BAD MOON RISING (CCR)
I see the bad moon arising.
I see trouble on the way.
I see earthquakes and lightnin.
I see bad times today.

Chorus:
Dont go around tonight,
Well, its bound to take your life,
Theres a bad moon on the rise.

I hear hurricanes ablowing.
I know the end is coming soon.
I fear rivers over flowing.
I hear the voice of rage and ruin.

Chorus
All right!

Hope you got your things together.
Hope you are quite prepared to die.
Looks like were in for nasty weather.
One eye is taken for an eye.

Chorus


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 11, 2007, 10:51:13 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Message from Bonsai Monkey: :lol:

Glenda, we are watching you....

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/SMWatchingGlenda.jpg)


Good to see BONSAI is on the job!

Bumping this forward in case anybody does not read back that far.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 11, 2007, 10:54:32 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Buckeye"

I believe he is critical of the Renfro article.  His original belief (and he supposedly has a reporter on the island  :roll: ) was that she drowned, now they think someone after Joran, got her and took her away on a boat.

His "reporter", among other things, says Dompig was a tour director for DePalm, never qualified and didn't step down but was let go.  Natalee was supposedly seen by a drug house with two locals who were thought to be buying cocaine...didn't say anything about Natalee using or buying.  There has never been confirmation about any sighting or $4,000 request.  There is a refernce to checking with some police force out of Curacao which makes me once again question whether the case is being handled from there.


Buckeye,

What do you make of why it says Beth got the Medjet?  What about two days before?

So this could be a totally new person/source entering yet differernt scenarios for getting J2K off the hook?


I don't know.  I think his "reporter" tells him that Beth was notified two days before about Natalee and Beth planned for the medjet.  If this was even close to true, first of all, I would have landed with the medjet, not had it scheduled for later; secondly, if I had such good connections, I would have used them to corral my kid and flown her out the day that call came in.  I believe, the family arrived, heard the stories about the locals and tried to prepare for medical help.  If it was my kid, I would have contacted every flight doctor I knew to be prepared to help.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 10:55:35 AM
One thing we learned from reading through the available PV’s is that any time a strange name pops up it is linked to something said in an earlier PV.  We know Lorenzo was questioned, so something led ALE to him.  I’m not going to speculate about his exact involvement or even his parentage, but I find the timing of this pot bust to be very interesting.  The kpld (or whatever it is) insisted upon working only with the narcs on the island, they apparently followed some leads to the PVDS house and then to the Kalpoe place.  Things go quiet and the infamous Lorenzo is busted for growing pot of all things.  Probably just wishful thinking on my part, but I hope they are squeezing some info out of the guy that might make a difference in all of this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 10:57:02 AM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Drugs and money drive the island,including Dominica.I have a form for chuck,maybe I will mail it,maybe not.Bullseye is strong.


True, Tiger. It is strong...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 11, 2007, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
One thing we learned from reading through the available PV’s is that any time a strange name pops up it is linked to something said in an earlier PV.  We know Lorenzo was questioned, so something led ALE to him.  I’m not going to speculate about his exact involvement or even his parentage, but I find the timing of this pot bust to be very interesting.  The kpld (or whatever it is) insisted upon working only with the narcs on the island, they apparently followed some leads to the PVDS house and then to the Kalpoe place.  Things go quiet and the infamous Lorenzo is busted for growing pot of all things.  Probably just wishful thinking on my part, but I hope they are squeezing some info out of the guy that might make a difference in all of this.


That's my hope, too, Easy. Do we know what kind of sentences drug trafficking carries in Dutch law? I know everyone says they don't have "plea bargaining," but I have to believe they have some system of negotiation to get information about other cases from people facing harsh punishments.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 11, 2007, 11:01:12 AM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Tiger"
Drugs and money drive the island,including Dominica.I have a form for chuck,maybe I will mail it,maybe not.Bullseye is strong.


True, Tiger. It is strong...


Bullseye implies a bodily threat, IMO.... and any attorney should know that threats aren't protected speech under any circumstances....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 11, 2007, 11:06:13 AM
This doesn't help much, but it's what was said at the October Meeting Q&A session:

Quote
27. Was a medjet ever in Aruba and if so what were the reasons for it being there?

They did have a medjet available due to the possibility that Natalee was being held in a crack house and would not know her condition when they found her.

Personal note {I think this is from Debbie at BFN}: the family was told over and over by the ALE to check the crackhouses in the first few days of the investigation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 11, 2007, 11:08:49 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
One thing we learned from reading through the available PV’s is that any time a strange name pops up it is linked to something said in an earlier PV.  We know Lorenzo was questioned, so something led ALE to him.  I’m not going to speculate about his exact involvement or even his parentage, but I find the timing of this pot bust to be very interesting. The kpld (or whatever it is) insisted upon working only with the narcs on the island, they apparently followed some leads to the PVDS house and then to the Kalpoe place.  Things go quiet and the infamous Lorenzo is busted for growing pot of all things.  Probably just wishful thinking on my part, but I hope they are squeezing some info out of the guy that might make a difference in all of this.


Easy - I had thought of this too.  Very interesting and coincedental??? Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.

I know they say their law does not allow for plea bargains, but it seems to me they make the rules up as they go along, so who knows...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 11:09:42 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Tiger"
Drugs and money drive the island,including Dominica.I have a form for chuck,maybe I will mail it,maybe not.Bullseye is strong.


True, Tiger. It is strong...


Bullseye implies a bodily threat, IMO.... and any attorney should know that threats aren't protected speech under any circumstances....


You're right about that!  Not the typical libel coming from the jerk.  That's a very well known expression that is difficult to mistake.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 11, 2007, 11:12:49 AM
I still don't get it though, if we are as insignificant as ratboy claims why would anyone need to threaten Red or any of us??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 11:13:21 AM
I am the Imperial wizard .some will understand,some will not.I am the wizard,Chuck.I know where Montgomery is located.LIL Puma,I heard that song,at the time of Camile's visit.An experience I can and will not forget.UK,they were watched in the rooms,by the visibility team,under gvc.IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 11:14:45 AM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
One thing we learned from reading through the available PV’s is that any time a strange name pops up it is linked to something said in an earlier PV.  We know Lorenzo was questioned, so something led ALE to him.  I’m not going to speculate about his exact involvement or even his parentage, but I find the timing of this pot bust to be very interesting.  The kpld (or whatever it is) insisted upon working only with the narcs on the island, they apparently followed some leads to the PVDS house and then to the Kalpoe place.  Things go quiet and the infamous Lorenzo is busted for growing pot of all things.  Probably just wishful thinking on my part, but I hope they are squeezing some info out of the guy that might make a difference in all of this.


That's my hope, too, Easy. Do we know what kind of sentences drug trafficking carries in Dutch law? I know everyone says they don't have "plea bargaining," but I have to believe they have some system of negotiation to get information about other cases from people facing harsh punishments.


I don't know.  I don't understand their system! lol

I have a vague memory about Boeti doing 10 years for cocaine distribution, or something like that.  The prosecution may not do plea deals once it reaches that stage, but I bet ALE can turn the screws when they want.  I just don't see everyone on Aruba looking through their Dutch LE manuals when dealing with drug users, dealers, etc.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 11:15:14 AM
Dutch law does allow for plea bargins,in a different way.Check the Hague.I feel a threat,as the wizard.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 11, 2007, 11:20:37 AM
what about the crown witness thing... doesn't that part allow for a type of plea bargining?? but then again, I don't understand their system.. :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 11:21:45 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
what about the crown witness thing... doesn't that part allow for a type of plea bargining?? but then again, I don't understand their system.. :roll:

Yes it does.  The "crown witness" can have a sort of plea bargain and possibly get a lesser sentance.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 11, 2007, 11:26:38 AM
so now I have to wonder like the rest of you... why arrest LVR now... and it makes the timing of all the garbage being strewn that much more intersting... the timing, not the garbage.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 11, 2007, 11:27:34 AM
Someone explain to me: If the FBI was so obstructive and Jug had such high political connections that they touched Dick Cheney and the Whitehouse, why oh why would the Sloots send the two younger boys to the evil USA, in June 2005, for their safety??  Why did they not send them to family in Holland??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 11, 2007, 11:29:42 AM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Someone explain to me: If the FBI was so obstructive and Jug had such high political connections that they touched Dick Cheney and the Whitehouse, why oh why would the Sloots send the two younger boys to the evil USA, in June 2005, for their safety??  Why did they not send them to family in Holland??


because that would be asking a logical question...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Destiny on July 11, 2007, 11:29:51 AM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Dutch law does allow for plea bargins,in a different way.Check the Hague.I feel a threat,as the wizard.


Well....at least I got a reply!....think I'll forward this to the ministry of Justice in Aruba...hhhhmmmmmmm
Maybe to the ATTN of the KLPD still on the island instead?

Dear Madame,

As in my previous e-mail mentioned; our institute can't provide you with
any information about this case. I have to refer you to the Ministery of
Justice in Aruba.

Kind regards,

Aicha Gasmi
NFI
Communications
 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Britt Turner [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Verzonden: vrijdag 6 juli 2007 4:58
Aan: Info
Onderwerp: Attention A.Gasmi


Dear A Gasmi,

Thank You for your kind reply.

The reason I am writing to you, is that all over the news/media in Aruba
and The Nederlands, is the story that Natalee Holloway is alive, and was
kidnapped by her Parents.

Please, as the Forensisch Instituut, Ministerie van Justitie that has
investigated this case. could you tell me of there is any truth to these
stories?

Or, do you have forensisch evidence that Miss Holloway is dead.

Thank You again for your most kind reply.

Sincerely,

xxxxxxxxxxxx

U.S.A


>>Dear Madame,
>>
>>Our institute has indeed provided help in this case. For further
>>information about this case I can refer you to the Ministery of Justice


>>in Aruba.
>>
>>Kind regards,
>>
>>A.Gasmi
>>NFI
>>Communications
>>
>>
>>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>Van: Britt Turner [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>Verzonden: woensdag 6 juni 2007 20:44
>>Aan: Info
>>Onderwerp: Require infomation Please
>>
>>Is your Institute the one that has provided help in Aruba regarding the


>>Natalee Holloway case?
>>
>>
>>Thank You in advance for your reply,
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>U.S.A.
>>
>>


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 11:32:46 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
so now I have to wonder like the rest of you... why arrest LVR now... and it makes the timing of all the garbage being strewn that much more intersting... the timing, not the garbage.

Exactly!  Why bust Lorenzo now for 100 pot plants?  Why all of a sudden the garbage and lies from Renfro and Dompig?  I believe they (Renfro/Dompig and others) are despirately attempting to cover their asses.

Also, it was posted in a forum that Lorenzo is friends with Mr. Pink.  Why would Mr. Pink (Paul Brough) take down his websites in July-Aug 2005?  What was he running from?  Why is he back in the USA?

I believe Lorenzo and Paul Brough may be part of the larger picture that ended up involving the NH case and subsequent coverup.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 11:34:46 AM
If LVR is/was a major supplier of recreational drugs on the island, he could easily implicate many dizzy people walking around in Aruba.  He could be a regular DC Madam, of sorts!  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 11, 2007, 11:34:47 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
One thing we learned from reading through the available PV’s is that any time a strange name pops up it is linked to something said in an earlier PV.  We know Lorenzo was questioned, so something led ALE to him.  I’m not going to speculate about his exact involvement or even his parentage, but I find the timing of this pot bust to be very interesting.  The kpld (or whatever it is) insisted upon working only with the narcs on the island, they apparently followed some leads to the PVDS house and then to the Kalpoe place.  Things go quiet and the infamous Lorenzo is busted for growing pot of all things.  Probably just wishful thinking on my part, but I hope they are squeezing some info out of the guy that might make a difference in all of this.


That's my hope, too, Easy. Do we know what kind of sentences drug trafficking carries in Dutch law? I know everyone says they don't have "plea bargaining," but I have to believe they have some system of negotiation to get information about other cases from people facing harsh punishments.


I don't know.  I don't understand their system! lol

I have a vague memory about Boeti doing 10 years for cocaine distribution, or something like that.  The prosecution may not do plea deals once it reaches that stage, but I bet ALE can turn the screws when they want.  I just don't see everyone on Aruba looking through their Dutch LE manuals when dealing with drug users, dealers, etc.


I know what you're saying, Easy--I just tried to look it up and it made my head hurt. Apparently plea bargaining exists only for white collar criminals who want to keep their faces out of the courtrooms, but there's also a system of lessening the fines of other convicted criminals who cooperate with the system...but it's not defined as plea bargaining per se. Nothing about it seems clear-cut, and Lorenzo certainly isn't a white collar criminal so maybe the option doesn't exist for him under their law.

The Wikipedia site I looked up about Dutch law did say that, even though drugs are legal in the Netherlands, people who traffic large amounts of drugs illegially are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. (I'm not sure how they justify that, but I don't understand a lot of things about their system). Since Lorenzo was arrested, I'm going to assume that whatever he was doing was illegal. But who knows?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 11, 2007, 11:39:44 AM
Paul Brough a.k.a. Mr. Pink. There's a name I haven't heard in awhile.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 11, 2007, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Someone explain to me: If the FBI was so obstructive and Jug had such high political connections that they touched Dick Cheney and the Whitehouse, why oh why would the Sloots send the two younger boys to the evil USA, in June 2005, for their safety??  Why did they not send them to family in Holland??



Maybe they don't like them very much?   :) Or have large insurance policies on them?   8)

Just kidding!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 11, 2007, 11:44:47 AM
When I was on Federal Grand Jury Duty a few years ago, we had an interesting case. An illegal immigrant was brought in on federal charges of statutory rape because he had had sex with his girlfriend in somebody's house that was just across the state line. They were both teens, but she was under whatever the legal age was.

Anyway, by a remarkable coincidence, the federal government was investingating the company where this guy worked because they were trying to prove that they routinely and knowlingly hired illegal immigrants.
Everyone on the jury assumed they were using the rape charge as a bargaining tool to get the guy to testify against his employers.

Hmmm....does this sound like something that could be happening with good old Lorenzo? Bring him in on some silly marijuana charge and then tell him he'll be let go if he gives the Dutch the information they're looking for? Hmmm.........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 11:45:28 AM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Paul Brough a.k.a. Mr. Pink. There's a name I haven't heard in awhile.


I did notice his name on that dosier that was linked here acouple of days ago
of the dates and times of all the interrogations.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 11, 2007, 11:59:30 AM
I understood those  helping KLPD from the narc dept are just clerical/goffer types, not any of the honchos such as Dennis Jacobs so I am not sure if that has a bearing or not.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 11, 2007, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
so now I have to wonder like the rest of you... why arrest LVR now... and it makes the timing of all the garbage being strewn that much more intersting... the timing, not the garbage.

Exactly!  Why bust Lorenzo now for 100 pot plants?  Why all of a sudden the garbage and lies from Renfro and Dompig?  I believe they (Renfro/Dompig and others) are despirately attempting to cover their asses.

Also, it was posted in a forum that Lorenzo is friends with Mr. Pink.  Why would Mr. Pink (Paul Brough) take down his websites in July-Aug 2005?  What was he running from?  Why is he back in the USA?

I believe Lorenzo and Paul Brough may be part of the larger picture that ended up involving the NH case and subsequent coverup.


http://www.imdb.com/company/co0175976/
Pink Visual Productions
The other day I did some searching on this and found that the Backseat Bangers vol. 5 doesn't doesn't seem to be available for purchase. NOT THAT I WAS GOING TO BUY IT, ACK, lol...also no reviews that I can find of it. I checked some reviews of the other volumes and most people just complain that they are more like home vids than real productions. I also noticed that after Vol. 5 in 2005 that there was ummmmm... a LULL in activity for a bit. They also have Bang Boat volumes too... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 11, 2007, 12:02:26 PM
Just a few random thoughts ...

The folks who were arrested in the pot bust, had more hemp on hand than for personal use ... e.g., the implication was that it was for distribution/sale. Apparently smaller amounts are not illegal. (Remember that 800+ plants were yanked, in all, and presumably some "harvested" goods as well.) And I am guessing that pot can be grown year-round in Aruba, so no one could claim that it was a year's supply.

As I understand it, a Crown Witness can be anyone the Crown decides should be a Crown Witness. Doesn't matter what the crime, what does matter is what the suspect/defendent can offer up.

If Lorenzo is indeed Joran's half-brother, and they have a good relationship, I do not think Lorenzo will give up anything on him. (That's assuming he HAS something to give - which is quite a leap. His arrest is the first thing that has suggested to ME that he may be in a position to know anything. Because I cannot imagine why on earth he was arrested for growing pot. Surely that wasn't a big surprise to anyone.)

TES - I know this is a huge operation, but folks, it's well into July. What's going on? AND - here's a macabre thought - we could start a pool on how many bodies a serious professional search in those waters might pull up. Is there a fast testing method that could be on board? Dental records? (These are the things that creep into my petty pace every day ... )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 12:07:13 PM
Does seem to be a gap in the vids,by pink.He may not have known at first what he got,the he dumped it.I am the wizard,chuck.I feel that are others on the edges,but the main cast are known.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 12:08:39 PM
Ms MARple,I think as wizard,you are correct.the body count would be higher.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 11, 2007, 12:09:52 PM
Could this be him?? Undercover distribution center?
http://www.bizearch.com/company/Certified_Enterprise_Solutions_128966.htm

I am clueless, grasping at straws...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 12:13:51 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Someone explain to me: If the FBI was so obstructive and Jug had such high political connections that they touched Dick Cheney and the Whitehouse, why oh why would the Sloots send the two younger boys to the evil USA, in June 2005, for their safety??  Why did they not send them to family in Holland??


My guess is that having the FBI there was all it took for any "obstruction "to occur. Maybe some would know better than I but sometimes it seems smaller police departments, local departments, get intimidated by having the FBI involved or on the scene in this case. There are also those departments that appear to co-operate and have no problems at all. Aruba it seems elected to handle the case and allow the FBI to have observers. I think that ALE was wrought with insecurity due to their lack of experience and abillity this was the "obstruction". Which by the way would have easily been remedied by allowing them to handle the case.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 12:15:37 PM
Not long ago several of you took a little online test, showing political persuasion.  I’m sure the test was not very scientific, but it did spark an interesting conversation.  From my perspective, SM appeared to represent a pretty good cross-section of people going from one end of the scale to the other.  I would suspect our backgrounds and cultural makeup would reflect much the same.  So, what is all this KKK talk constantly coming out of some people on the dark-side?

Being a modern southerner that lived through some very tumultuous years in this country, I am particularly offended by that reference.  There is absolutely nothing about that organization, past, present, or future that aligns with my belief system.  I do realize that one must consider the source (which is probably a bunch of people dressed up like goats chanting black mass) but I still don’t like it!   :x


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Could this be him?? Undercover distribution center?
http://www.bizearch.com/company/Certified_Enterprise_Solutions_128966.htm

I am clueless, grasping at straws...

Yes, most definately it is him.  This is his current "legal" business in the US.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 12:21:50 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
so now I have to wonder like the rest of you... why arrest LVR now... and it makes the timing of all the garbage being strewn that much more intersting... the timing, not the garbage.

Exactly!  Why bust Lorenzo now for 100 pot plants?  Why all of a sudden the garbage and lies from Renfro and Dompig?  I believe they (Renfro/Dompig and others) are despirately attempting to cover their asses.

Also, it was posted in a forum that Lorenzo is friends with Mr. Pink.  Why would Mr. Pink (Paul Brough) take down his websites in July-Aug 2005?  What was he running from?  Why is he back in the USA?

I believe Lorenzo and Paul Brough may be part of the larger picture that ended up involving the NH case and subsequent coverup.


http://www.imdb.com/company/co0175976/
Pink Visual Productions
The other day I did some searching on this and found that the Backseat Bangers vol. 5 doesn't doesn't seem to be available for purchase. NOT THAT I WAS GOING TO BUY IT, ACK, lol...also no reviews that I can find of it. I checked some reviews of the other volumes and most people just complain that they are more like home vids than real productions. I also noticed that after Vol. 5 in 2005 that there was ummmmm... a LULL in activity for a bit. They also have Bang Boat volumes too... :roll:


If this is the same Mr Pink, he is certainly living up to his previously high standards of film making.  :puker:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 12:23:16 PM
I feel as wizard,that chuck should know the clan well,he lives in an area known for the clan


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 12:27:12 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Could this be him?? Undercover distribution center?
http://www.bizearch.com/company/Certified_Enterprise_Solutions_128966.htm

I am clueless, grasping at straws...

Yes, most definately it is him.  This is his current "legal" business in the US.


Wonder if he and SandraK are neighbors?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: sharon on July 11, 2007, 12:28:18 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Could this be him?? Undercover distribution center?
http://www.bizearch.com/company/Certified_Enterprise_Solutions_128966.htm

I am clueless, grasping at straws...

Yes, most definately it is him.  This is his current "legal" business in the US.


Do you know what the list of 'Related Companies" mean?

Have you clicked on any of the links :shock:

Why is his business related to Cisco systems -- WORLDWIDE NETWORK EXPERTS?

Or the PC company that is registered in Afghanistan?


And what's up with the 'products he distributes'? He distributes pets? Like 2 dogs?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 12:28:18 PM
We are all the wizard...We are Spartecus!!
Right, Tiger?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 11, 2007, 12:28:35 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Message from Bonsai Monkey: :lol:

Glenda, we are watching you....

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/SMWatchingGlenda.jpg)


Good to see BONSAI is on the job!

Bumping this forward in case anybody does not read back that far.

.


What the hell happened to her face?  Never in a million years did I imagine that she could get any uglier, but she seems to have pulled it off.

Morning Monks!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 12:28:45 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Not long ago several of you took a little online test, showing political persuasion.  I’m sure the test was not very scientific, but it did spark an interesting conversation.  From my perspective, SM appeared to represent a pretty good cross-section of people going from one end of the scale to the other.  I would suspect our backgrounds and cultural makeup would reflect much the same.  So, what is all this KKK talk constantly coming out of some people on the dark-side?

Being a modern southerner that lived through some very tumultuous years in this country, I am particularly offended by that reference.  There is absolutely nothing about that organization, past, present, or future that aligns with my belief system.  I do realize that one must consider the source (which is probably a bunch of people dressed up like goats chanting black mass) but I still don’t like it!   :x


I don't read there, likely that is one of the reasons. I would also be angry over any such talk. Sounds like a place filled with hate, seems their hate
is not limited by any boundaries.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 12:31:09 PM
Quote from: "sharon"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Could this be him?? Undercover distribution center?
http://www.bizearch.com/company/Certified_Enterprise_Solutions_128966.htm

I am clueless, grasping at straws...

Yes, most definately it is him.  This is his current "legal" business in the US.


Do you know what the list of 'Related Companies" mean?

Have you clicked on any of the links :shock:

Why is his business related to Cisco systems -- WORLDWIDE NETWORK EXPERTS?

Or the PC company that is registered in Afghanistan?


And what's up with the 'products he distributes'? He distributes pets? Like 2 dogs?

He has a mobile pet photographer business.  I have the link somewhere, just have to find it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 11, 2007, 12:34:59 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
When I was on Federal Grand Jury Duty a few years ago, we had an interesting case. An illegal immigrant was brought in on federal charges of statutory rape because he had had sex with his girlfriend in somebody's house that was just across the state line. They were both teens, but she was under whatever the legal age was.

Anyway, by a remarkable coincidence, the federal government was investingating the company where this guy worked because they were trying to prove that they routinely and knowlingly hired illegal immigrants.
Everyone on the jury assumed they were using the rape charge as a bargaining tool to get the guy to testify against his employers.

Hmmm....does this sound like something that could be happening with good old Lorenzo? Bring him in on some silly marijuana charge and then tell him he'll be let go if he gives the Dutch the information they're looking for? Hmmm.........


Well, I guess it would depend how deep Lorenzo would be in the drug trade...IF they were pressuring him just for info in Natalees case, then I think maybe he would give up the goods, more than likely he doesn't care for Joran just like the majority - But, if they are asking for info on those "above" him etc., then I doubt he would talk...Unless they have some really big charges pending..  I too, think there are alterior motives in bringing Lorenzo in.. Just seems fishy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 11, 2007, 12:35:34 PM
bleached - I think the FBI "obstructed Dompig's investigation" by interviewing over half of the MB folks on the trip, accounting for (with corroboration) every minute of Natalee's time on Aruba, and all of the money she brought with her. Every meal, every outing - she was never alone, always with several classmates, and tick marks even for potty breaks at restaurants etc.

IMO, there is something like an Excel spreadsheet that documents all the time and with whom.

(I don't remember the amounts, but she spent very little of the money.)

The only unknown is what happened after she got into a car that was in a line of taxis outside C&Cs, with a young man who previously had claimed to be a student from The Netherlands, and who also claimed to be staying at the Holiday Inn.

This interferes considerably with the meals with local men, drug buys, jewelry store shopping, blue-eyed Dutch boy, etc., that are so dear to the real obstructionists.

And another random thought - that word "plantation" ... Joran says that Natalee said she lived on a plantation in Alabama. The only other reference to "plantation" I've noticed is in the articles about the pot bust. That word seems to have more contemporary usage on Aruba than it does here ...

(I don't believe a thing Joran said about what Natalee said.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 11, 2007, 12:36:05 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
so now I have to wonder like the rest of you... why arrest LVR now... and it makes the timing of all the garbage being strewn that much more intersting... the timing, not the garbage.


I agree totally with you Mrs. Red.  The ALE has been quite aware of Lorenzo and his 'business' for years and never acted on it.  Why now?  They aren't concerned with his drug activities, afterall, they've got to keep the drugs flowing on that island in order to launder their money.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 11, 2007, 12:36:54 PM
Quote from: "sharon"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Could this be him?? Undercover distribution center?
http://www.bizearch.com/company/Certified_Enterprise_Solutions_128966.htm

I am clueless, grasping at straws...

Yes, most definately it is him.  This is his current "legal" business in the US.


Do you know what the list of 'Related Companies" mean?

Have you clicked on any of the links :shock:

Why is his business related to Cisco systems -- WORLDWIDE NETWORK EXPERTS?

Or the PC company that is registered in Afghanistan?


And what's up with the 'products he distributes'? He distributes pets? Like 2 dogs?


Pet products is how it reads. I also found some pet sites that he had posted on...message board thingys, can't seem to locate those now. Didn't seem important or related anyway. He is a Dog lover though...from what I understand.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 11, 2007, 12:39:18 PM
Any word yet when the new and improved forum will be up and running?  It would be nice if the pages would automatically refresh whenever a new post appears instead of doing it manually.  And, an edit button for dummies like me! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 12:42:17 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Not long ago several of you took a little online test, showing political persuasion.  I’m sure the test was not very scientific, but it did spark an interesting conversation.  From my perspective, SM appeared to represent a pretty good cross-section of people going from one end of the scale to the other.  I would suspect our backgrounds and cultural makeup would reflect much the same.  So, what is all this KKK talk constantly coming out of some people on the dark-side?

Being a modern southerner that lived through some very tumultuous years in this country, I am particularly offended by that reference.  There is absolutely nothing about that organization, past, present, or future that aligns with my belief system.  I do realize that one must consider the source (which is probably a bunch of people dressed up like goats chanting black mass) but I still don’t like it!   :x


I don't read there, likely that is one of the reasons. I would also be angry over any such talk. Sounds like a place filled with hate, seems their hate
is not limited by any boundaries.


I shouldn't read there either, but it is like a train wreck.  I also like to see if anything is coming out of Aruba from that side of things.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: LilPuma on July 11, 2007, 12:51:12 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
From FOB-this link:http://www.misdaadjournalist.nl
I am only going to post the translation I got from freetranslation.com because it's kind of long:


Wednesday 11 July:  Suzanne Wisman and Natalee Holloway

Update 11:30 hour:  
(snipped)

"I remain it it on hold that they with a boat have been taken along because they that laveloos and weak-willedly on the beach lay to sleep.  No option, the currents has been drowned had thrown around the island the body (or the remnants) certain defense on the coast."  

Natalee should have had to listen to John Fogerty, notwithstanding that the 'bath moon rising' remain must, and that evening in the hotel.  

Don' t go around tonight

Well, its bound to task your life

There's a bath moon on the rise.  

As a result of my message about this (past Sunday) someone steered sings a shady to YouTube true John this number.  State


I came back to read a little more and re-read GEL's post from a Dutch poster about how Natalee should have listened to Bad Moon Rising.  Then I thought about the lyrics I posted and thought, hmmmmmm, Joran, Paulus, read that last paragraph slooooowly.  Think about it.  The Dutch are still on your island, and there are many still looking for the truth.  

BAD MOON RISING (CCR)
I see the bad moon arising.
I see trouble on the way.
I see earthquakes and lightnin.
I see bad times today.

Chorus:
Dont go around tonight,
Well, its bound to take your life,
Theres a bad moon on the rise.

I hear hurricanes ablowing.
I know the end is coming soon.
I fear rivers over flowing.
I hear the voice of rage and ruin.

Chorus
All right!

Hope you got your things together.
Hope you are quite prepared to die.
Looks like were in for nasty weather.
One eye is taken for an eye.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: blah on July 11, 2007, 12:52:28 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "sharon"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Could this be him?? Undercover distribution center?
http://www.bizearch.com/company/Certified_Enterprise_Solutions_128966.htm

I am clueless, grasping at straws...

Yes, most definately it is him.  This is his current "legal" business in the US.


Do you know what the list of 'Related Companies" mean?

Have you clicked on any of the links :shock:

Why is his business related to Cisco systems -- WORLDWIDE NETWORK EXPERTS?

Or the PC company that is registered in Afghanistan?


And what's up with the 'products he distributes'? He distributes pets? Like 2 dogs?


Pet products is how it reads. I also found some pet sites that he had posted on...message board thingys, can't seem to locate those now. Didn't seem important or related anyway. He is a Dog lover though...from what I understand.


is the address for this "Pets Products" in Fenton, MI???
If so, it is no longer there.  Dont know if they moved or went out of business but they are no longer in that building in Fenton


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 12:54:25 PM
Aruba on CBS Morning Show July 12.  Someone needs to hold up a few posters asking where Natalee is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 12:55:30 PM
Yes Mishy,we are all Spartecus.you can seperate by a title.What is one is the other.We have become bigger than the parts,as Tom said,the best missing person group.The Dutch use the code of Napolean,still,same as the French.Mrs Marple,I believe that pink is a porn pusher and slime,JMHO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: LilPuma on July 11, 2007, 12:55:36 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
so now I have to wonder like the rest of you... why arrest LVR now... and it makes the timing of all the garbage being strewn that much more intersting... the timing, not the garbage.


I agree totally with you Mrs. Red.  The ALE has been quite aware of Lorenzo and his 'business' for years and never acted on it.  Why now?  They aren't concerned with his drug activities, afterall, they've got to keep the drugs flowing on that island in order to launder their money.


They can't clean the dirty stuff without the clean stuff.  And tourism is down.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 12:58:02 PM
LIL Puma,I know the song by heart and aruba should.JMHO.Spartecus Wizard


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 11, 2007, 01:02:13 PM
It seems like every time I show up everyone stops talking.  I did brush my teeth this morning, I promise!  :)


Title: aruba varticle ;selling children
Post by: sandy leiva on July 11, 2007, 01:03:20 PM
NOTICIA LOCAL  
 
 
Tin fuerte sospecho:
BENDEMENTO DI MUCHANAN MENOR DI EDAD
TUMANDO LUGAR NA ARUBA
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Tin biaha nos ta lesa di e tipo di informacionnan aki, pero den corantnan stranhero of tende di dje den medionan di comunicacion na otro paisnan. E biaha aki, por ta, esaki ta birando un realidad na Aruba tambe.

Den fin di siman, mesa di redaccion di DIARIO a wordo poni na altura di casonan hopi lamentable y espantoso cu ta tumando lugar ariba nos isla. Tin fuerte sospecho cu benta di muchanan menor di edad y di hasta babynan ta tumando lugar na Aruba.

Ta asina cu por ta e situacion preta cu nos ta bibando aden actualmente ta haci cu tin mayornan cu nan placa no ta yega pa por alimenta y mantene nan yiunan. Tambe, por ta lo contrario caminda tin mayornan cu kier deshaci di nan yiunan cu e meta di haya cierto cantidad di placa cu nan despues lo use pa nan beneficio.

Den e caso aki, tin entendi cu probablemente e tipo di transaccionnan aki, mucha pa placa, lo por ta tumando entre personanan arubiano cu colombiano. Por ta posible cu e nos yiunan di tera ta durf di bende nan propio yiunan y entrega esaki den man di otro hende na cambio di placa?

E motibo di esaki pronto lo por sali na claridad. E unico berdad ta cu esaki ta un caso hopi serio di cual, segun DIARIO tin entendi, autoridadnan concerni ta na altura di dje caba y nan lo tuma e pasonan necesario pa castiga esnan cu ta haci nan mes culpable di e delito aki.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 01:03:22 PM
the DUTCH didnt go to the sloot house for Nuttin  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 01:04:12 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
It seems like every time I show up everyone stops talking.  I did brush my teeth this morning, I promise!  :)


What do you want to talk about?


Title: Re: aruba varticle ;selling children
Post by: Katysmom on July 11, 2007, 01:04:30 PM
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
NOTICIA LOCAL  
 
 
Tin fuerte sospecho:
BENDEMENTO DI MUCHANAN MENOR DI EDAD
TUMANDO LUGAR NA ARUBA
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Tin biaha nos ta lesa di e tipo di informacionnan aki, pero den corantnan stranhero of tende di dje den medionan di comunicacion na otro paisnan. E biaha aki, por ta, esaki ta birando un realidad na Aruba tambe.

Den fin di siman, mesa di redaccion di DIARIO a wordo poni na altura di casonan hopi lamentable y espantoso cu ta tumando lugar ariba nos isla. Tin fuerte sospecho cu benta di muchanan menor di edad y di hasta babynan ta tumando lugar na Aruba.

Ta asina cu por ta e situacion preta cu nos ta bibando aden actualmente ta haci cu tin mayornan cu nan placa no ta yega pa por alimenta y mantene nan yiunan. Tambe, por ta lo contrario caminda tin mayornan cu kier deshaci di nan yiunan cu e meta di haya cierto cantidad di placa cu nan despues lo use pa nan beneficio.

Den e caso aki, tin entendi cu probablemente e tipo di transaccionnan aki, mucha pa placa, lo por ta tumando entre personanan arubiano cu colombiano. Por ta posible cu e nos yiunan di tera ta durf di bende nan propio yiunan y entrega esaki den man di otro hende na cambio di placa?

E motibo di esaki pronto lo por sali na claridad. E unico berdad ta cu esaki ta un caso hopi serio di cual, segun DIARIO tin entendi, autoridadnan concerni ta na altura di dje caba y nan lo tuma e pasonan necesario pa castiga esnan cu ta haci nan mes culpable di e delito aki.


huh??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 11, 2007, 01:06:28 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
It seems like every time I show up everyone stops talking.  I did brush my teeth this morning, I promise!  :)


What do you want to talk about?


Well, this forum is about Natalie.  I don't have a lot to add to those discussions because there are so many other people here who have better knowledge than I, but I love lurking and reading about all the new information.


Title: Re: aruba varticle ;selling children
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 01:09:28 PM
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
NOTICIA LOCAL  
 
 
Tin fuerte sospecho:
BENDEMENTO DI MUCHANAN MENOR DI EDAD
TUMANDO LUGAR NA ARUBA
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Tin biaha nos ta lesa di e tipo di informacionnan aki, pero den corantnan stranhero of tende di dje den medionan di comunicacion na otro paisnan. E biaha aki, por ta, esaki ta birando un realidad na Aruba tambe.

Den fin di siman, mesa di redaccion di DIARIO a wordo poni na altura di casonan hopi lamentable y espantoso cu ta tumando lugar ariba nos isla. Tin fuerte sospecho cu benta di muchanan menor di edad y di hasta babynan ta tumando lugar na Aruba.

Ta asina cu por ta e situacion preta cu nos ta bibando aden actualmente ta haci cu tin mayornan cu nan placa no ta yega pa por alimenta y mantene nan yiunan. Tambe, por ta lo contrario caminda tin mayornan cu kier deshaci di nan yiunan cu e meta di haya cierto cantidad di placa cu nan despues lo use pa nan beneficio.

Den e caso aki, tin entendi cu probablemente e tipo di transaccionnan aki, mucha pa placa, lo por ta tumando entre personanan arubiano cu colombiano. Por ta posible cu e nos yiunan di tera ta durf di bende nan propio yiunan y entrega esaki den man di otro hende na cambio di placa?

E motibo di esaki pronto lo por sali na claridad. E unico berdad ta cu esaki ta un caso hopi serio di cual, segun DIARIO tin entendi, autoridadnan concerni ta na altura di dje caba y nan lo tuma e pasonan necesario pa castiga esnan cu ta haci nan mes culpable di e delito aki.


Hi Sandy - You are saying that this article talks about Aruba selling children?


Title: Re: aruba varticle ;selling children
Post by: sandy leiva on July 11, 2007, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
NOTICIA LOCA  






Tin fuerte sospecho:
BENDEMENTO DI MUCHANAN MENOR DI EDAD
TUMANDO LUGAR NA ARUBA
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Tin biaha nos ta lesa di e tipo di informacionnan aki, pero den corantnan stranhero of tende di dje den medionan di comunicacion na otro paisnan. E biaha aki, por ta, esaki ta birando un realidad na Aruba tambe.

Den fin di siman, mesa di redaccion di DIARIO a wordo poni na altura di casonan hopi lamentable y espantoso cu ta tumando lugar ariba nos isla. Tin fuerte sospecho cu benta di muchanan menor di edad y di hasta babynan ta tumando lugar na Aruba.

Ta asina cu por ta e situacion preta cu nos ta bibando aden actualmente ta haci cu tin mayornan cu nan placa no ta yega pa por alimenta y mantene nan yiunan. Tambe, por ta lo contrario caminda tin mayornan cu kier deshaci di nan yiunan cu e meta di haya cierto cantidad di placa cu nan despues lo use pa nan beneficio.

Den e caso aki, tin entendi cu probablemente e tipo di transaccionnan aki, mucha pa placa, lo por ta tumando entre personanan arubiano cu colombiano. Por ta posible cu e nos yiunan di tera ta durf di bende nan propio yiunan y entrega esaki den man di otro hende na cambio di placa?

E motibo di esaki pronto lo por sali na claridad. E unico berdad ta cu esaki ta un caso hopi serio di cual, segun DIARIO tin entendi, autoridadnan concerni ta na altura di dje caba y nan lo tuma e pasonan necesario pa castiga esnan cu ta haci nan mes culpable di e delito aki.


article translation :selling of minor children taking placein aruba. Article from J Mansuer paper el diario july 9th.  Am busy so rough translation only.  Sellingof minor children and even babys have taken place on our island and left a black cloud over our island says Jossy, he hopes publishing of these acts will leadto arrest and full persectution of whoever is involved in this type of action.  Maybe someone else can translatemore.  bye for now sl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 11, 2007, 01:13:13 PM
Quote from: "robots"
the DUTCH didnt go to the sloot house for Nuttin  8)


You're right robots!  They did not spend the time or money there, nor the man power for nothing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 01:14:46 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "robots"
the DUTCH didnt go to the sloot house for Nuttin  8)


You're right robots!  They did not spend the time or money there, nor the man power for nothing.


they are BUILDING the CAGE... errr the case  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 01:15:51 PM
they could have closed this case MONTHS ago

they didnt

they wont

the cant  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on July 11, 2007, 01:16:49 PM
Geez,you'd think with the KLPD in Aruba they could do something about whoever is selling children.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: sharon on July 11, 2007, 01:17:13 PM
Thanks Nut & klaas

I guess I'm being too suspicious. :D

(But Deepak and his 2 dogs.....and Fabienne and her dogs..........alright, I'll drop it  :lol: )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 11, 2007, 01:20:09 PM
sandy - I ran that article through the Pap translator Monday, but couldn't make a bit of sense of it - had no idea of the gist of it. THANKS!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 11, 2007, 01:20:17 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "robots"
the DUTCH didnt go to the sloot house for Nuttin  8)


You're right robots!  They did not spend the time or money there, nor the man power for nothing.


they are BUILDING the CAGE... errr the case  :twisted:


I saw yesterday about arrests/charges pending  in US in the case of the Pizza Delivery Man who had the bomb around his neck...This happened 4 years ago...

I know Nat's case is alot different and not in the US, but it does give me hope that things are going on behind the scenes that we're not aware of.  

I ain't giving up yet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 01:21:07 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "robots"
the DUTCH didnt go to the sloot house for Nuttin  8)


You're right robots!  They did not spend the time or money there, nor the man power for nothing.


they are BUILDING the CAGE... errr the case  :twisted:


I saw yesterday about arrests/charges pending  in US in the case of the Pizza Delivery Man who had the bomb around his neck...This happened 4 years ago...

I know Nat's case is alot different and not in the US, but it does give me hope that things are going on behind the scenes that we're not aware of.  

I ain't giving up yet.


thats the WAY  8)


Title: Re: aruba varticle ;selling children
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 01:21:08 PM
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
NOTICIA LOCA  

article translation :selling of minor children taking placein aruba. Article from J Mansuer paper el diario july 9th.  Am busy so rough translation only.  Sellingof minor children and even babys have taken place on our island and left a black cloud over our island says Jossy, he hopes publishing of these acts will leadto arrest and full persectution of whoever is involved in this type of action.  Maybe someone else can translatemore.  bye for now sl




Tin fuerte sospecho:
BENDEMENTO DI MUCHANAN MENOR DI EDAD
TUMANDO LUGAR NA ARUBA
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Tin biaha nos ta lesa di e tipo di informacionnan aki, pero den corantnan stranhero of tende di dje den medionan di comunicacion na otro paisnan. E biaha aki, por ta, esaki ta birando un realidad na Aruba tambe.

Den fin di siman, mesa di redaccion di DIARIO a wordo poni na altura di casonan hopi lamentable y espantoso cu ta tumando lugar ariba nos isla. Tin fuerte sospecho cu benta di muchanan menor di edad y di hasta babynan ta tumando lugar na Aruba.

Ta asina cu por ta e situacion preta cu nos ta bibando aden actualmente ta haci cu tin mayornan cu nan placa no ta yega pa por alimenta y mantene nan yiunan. Tambe, por ta lo contrario caminda tin mayornan cu kier deshaci di nan yiunan cu e meta di haya cierto cantidad di placa cu nan despues lo use pa nan beneficio.

Den e caso aki, tin entendi cu probablemente e tipo di transaccionnan aki, mucha pa placa, lo por ta tumando entre personanan arubiano cu colombiano. Por ta posible cu e nos yiunan di tera ta durf di bende nan propio yiunan y entrega esaki den man di otro hende na cambio di placa?

E motibo di esaki pronto lo por sali na claridad. E unico berdad ta cu esaki ta un caso hopi serio di cual, segun DIARIO tin entendi, autoridadnan concerni ta na altura di dje caba y nan lo tuma e pasonan necesario pa castiga esnan cu ta haci nan mes culpable di e delito aki.


Thanks Sandy. I wonder if those selling drugs are also dabbling in human trafficking? Perhaps even selling young blonde women to South America? Reprehensible...do these people stop at NOTHING????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 11, 2007, 01:24:32 PM
Michael Clary, who wrote the Sun-Sentinel article about Jorge Pesquera and Palm Beach County Tourism, just emailed me  :shock: ...

He wants to contact a Holloway family member or support group; gives his phone # and of course I have his email too.

HELP! We need to hook him up with a Holloway or Reynolds FAST!

(In my letter, I asked if his paper was taking a position about this appointment.)

Klaas - you have my work email? If not post yours so we can get this rolling.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 11, 2007, 01:28:36 PM
Where's a monkey when you need one ???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 01:28:41 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Michael Clary, who wrote the Sun-Sentinel article about Jorge Pesquera and Palm Beach County Tourism, just emailed me  :shock: ...

He wants to contact a Holloway family member or support group; gives his phone # and of course I have his email too.

HELP! We need to hook him up with a Holloway or Reynolds FAST!

(In my letter, I asked if his paper was taking a position about this appointment.)

Klaas - you have my work email? If not post yours so we can get this rolling.

smklaasend@hotmail.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 01:29:12 PM
good work MAPLE  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Michael Clary, who wrote the Sun-Sentinel article about Jorge Pesquera and Palm Beach County Tourism, just emailed me  :shock: ...

He wants to contact a Holloway family member or support group; gives his phone # and of course I have his email too.

HELP! We need to hook him up with a Holloway or Reynolds FAST!

(In my letter, I asked if his paper was taking a position about this appointment.)

Klaas - you have my work email? If not post yours so we can get this rolling.


What is Michael Clary's email address?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 11, 2007, 01:32:55 PM
MsMarple/Klaas,

Should you put him in touch with Red maybe?

Just a thought.

.


Title: Bet the Farm
Post by: IBE on July 11, 2007, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: "robots"
they could have closed this case MONTHS ago

they didnt

they wont

the cant  8)


Do you mean they aren't closing it, for they are going to solve it? I am worried about your farm, so hope you are saying they can't "close it", but will solve it??? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  Thanks in advance!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 11, 2007, 01:34:12 PM
klaas - you have mail with the phone # and email addy. (I forwarded his message to you.) I think it's the hotmail addy.


Title: Re: Bet the Farm
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 01:34:50 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "robots"
they could have closed this case MONTHS ago

they didnt

they wont

the cant  8)


Do you mean they aren't closing it, for they are going to solve it? I am worried about your farm, so hope you are saying they can't "close it", but will solve it??? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  Thanks in advance!


hello IBE

dont worry about the FARM, its Booming

BET IT ALL

its a LOCK


BANK IT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 11, 2007, 01:35:29 PM
I think RED would be good but it needs to be fast. I think he really wants a family member. Dave, Beth, brother ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Terric7058 on July 11, 2007, 01:36:19 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Lil Puma-who's that suppose to be in the pic?It's so small I can't tell.


I was afraid to blow the margins so it came out avatar size.  It's Ron, whose AIM page says Yes, I do work for AOL.  This is the guy my friends were referred to with their complaints about blatantly unfair treatment of Beth-Dave supporters.  Ron is standing in front of La Ronda Cafe - Aruba.


Oh ok thanks. I'm on AOL but do not go on their message boards. Don't think I will either.


Its probably a good thing you don't. I have been banned from the message boards a couple different times for speaking out against these bashers. I have had them try to contact who they think my employer is because I spoke out against the constant bashing of Natalee & family. But after finding this out about a board monitor it makes sense.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 01:43:47 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
I think RED would be good but it needs to be fast. I think he really wants a family member. Dave, Beth, brother ...


Msmarple - removed your personal information and forwarded the information to a family member and Red.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 11, 2007, 01:44:14 PM
:x The Kingdom of the Netherlands [map], a constitutional monarchy, is located in NW Europe.  It is bounded by the North Sea (N & W), by Belgium (S), and by Germany (E).  Although Amsterdam is its constitutional capital, The Hague is the administrative and governmental capital.  The kingdom includes two overseas territories, the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba in the Caribbean Sea, both of which are self-governing parts of the Kingdom.  The Netherlands has a prosperous and open economy, which depends heavily on foreign trade. The economy is noted for stable industrial relations, moderate unemployment and inflation, a sizable current account surplus, and an important role as a European transportation hub.

The Netherlands is a source, transit, and destination country for men, women, and girls trafficked for the purposes of commercial sexual exploitation and forced labor. Trafficking for sexual exploitation is more prevalent than labor trafficking. Internally, women and girls are trafficked by "lover boys," young men who seduce young women and girls and force them into prostitution. Women and girls are trafficked to the Netherlands from Nigeria, Bulgaria, People's Republic of China (P.R.C.), Poland, and Romania for sexual exploitation. To a smaller extent, men are trafficked to the Netherlands from India, P.R.C., Bangladesh and Turkey for forced labor in ports, factories, restaurants, and as domestic workers.  - U.S. State Dept Trafficking in Persons Report, June, 2007   [full country report]

 http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Netherlands.htm  <More here
 :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2007, 01:47:02 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
I think RED would be good but it needs to be fast. I think he really wants a family member. Dave, Beth, brother ...


Msmarple - removed your personal information and forwarded the information to a family member and Red.


..just so the family member wasn't ((edit))...[/size]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 11, 2007, 01:49:36 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
I think RED would be good but it needs to be fast. I think he really wants a family member. Dave, Beth, brother ...


Msmarple - removed your personal information and forwarded the information to a family member and Red.


Thanks. Hope he does some good with it.

Here is a link to the article; it ran yesterday: might be handy if whoever finally responds hasn't read it.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpcvb0710pnjul10,0,5952534.story

There is a Comments section and there are 50+ so far. Most are on the lines of "WTF are you thinking?"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2007, 01:50:29 PM
My apologies -- that was probably out of line. :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on July 11, 2007, 02:01:21 PM
Bringing this over-was posted by  nospinbill @ BFN-Klaas if you want or need to move or delete feel free.I just thought others might want to read this:



Dare we say it out loud? ? ? ?
**carefully looking over my shoulder**

say it softly, {EDITED}

Perhaps the single largest aberration to date within the crime forums just due to the TOS complaints it's hosts have received, it appears they are currently on host #3??? It truly is an exercise in watching a train wreck and the underbelly of our society at it's worst. Let me start from the beginning.........

As the Natalee Holloway case evolved from it's beginnings with Riehl World View and CTV's forums, others began cropping up. One was http://www.nataleeholloway.net/ which disappeared over a year ago, http://www.blogsfornatalee.com/, & http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/

This delovely {EDITED} site is the home for the radical runaways from all three of those and maybe even a few more, is just an amalgamation of a group of most unhappy forum peeps who find joy in spewing venom at the world, at the establishment that might just run the real world, oh and at each other.

A pair of misfits administrators named Joynow and Victim's Cry began it all. Yes lovely names aren't they, obviously meant to denote their owner's propensities. Joynow lives somewhere in the south, relatively close to the father of Natalee Holloway. Victim's Cry resides in Canada with her 50+ cats in a ramshackle home full of cat hair and drama. Yes drama, it seems to be a daily drama with this one. She's taken up collections for her new auto, hinted at needing everything from veterinarian monies to a new fridge from her loyalists. How well she's done I can't tell ya but she did put the D in drama. Joynow seems to have run for the hills, she blew out of the train wreck after move to host #2, one has to wonder why?

In charge just behind old Victim's Cry is Heli, transcriptionist extraordinaire. Her story is a goody too, her teenage son was quasi virtually molested by one older female poster; she's a former CTV devotee; seems to post on every forum she can in the free world and oh, she's an expert on just about anything and everything. WOW, how lucky can the forum world get???

The loyalist following is a mix of misfits, disgruntled non-management in real life and I want to get even have-not's, femme fatales looking for a man, rat patrolers (yes they really like rats there) who want to do every femme fatale needing a hit of manhood in their life, and one very large head rat named Charlie. He like Hillary and Bill, is a music groupie too. A self-professed attorney whose photo looks like a cross between a small runt of the litter and a madman with gore in his eyes. There is also intense speculation regarding his law practice. Some in his city relate it's a collections practice, yet he's able to be online most of everyday and night and really really really (did I say really) happy he has his little loyalists.

He reminds one of the kid everyone tossed sand at on the playground in primary school. Still looking to be king of the hill for just one day and praying the loyalists will continue to support his rat crown. It must be hard to be the littlest rat in town, much less the one no one invites to the country club parties he so resents in this southern town where Natalee Holloway grew up. Oh yes, he lives in her home town. Each day he continues to spew the tirade of how well-connected he is; yet somehow he's never been to the palace? How transparent, one would think such a great and glorious mind could come up with a better chip on one's shoulder than I didn't get invited to the party? Or dare to be inventive, dream up a more current one? How boring, sigh.

Poor thing, needs a lollipop one supposes or toeses that are roses.

In a nutshell you can go read for yourself but these peeps thrive on the criminal, champion the criminal, make enormous twisted rationalizations for the criminal, live to wannabe the criminal. Basically they take content from all the other sites examining the crime or worse, daring to support the family or victim, and twisting it into manipulations of their own criminal bent. Defaming the victim and mother as the 'cameltoe' seems to be the gameplan of late, of course one supposes (yes again) that they took a look in their collective mirror when they decided upon using that delovely moniker.

In the real world outside of the Forum World, it's safe to assume these peeps are the ones stabbling you in the back at work or yelling at servers in restaurants for not getting their order right or haven't spoken to their parents or siblings in eons or truly do believe that being a ho (male or female) is a right to life or slamming our own US judicial system into it's rapidly twisting politically correct format which favors the perpetrator over the victim. Hey did ya see the rape case this week in which the judge is forbidding any witness or even the victim to utter the word rape in the trial? Yep, you can thank those refugees for that one, they are a terribly rabid but proud bunch.

A classic example of all that's gone wrong with the Forum World. A word of caution too, if you dare to register at {EDITED} then you are risking sharing your IP address with everyone there. They live to PM, they live to stalk, they live to defame.

Stay tuned..........more to come !

Posted by itsallajoke at 9:20 AM  

{edited}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on July 11, 2007, 02:05:41 PM
OOps :oops: Klaas fix my post I thought PearlinUSA posted it I was looking at the av and not the name and they both have flag avs,but it was posted by nospinbill-also meant delete not belete-thanks

{GEL - I MADE CERTAIN EDITS YOUR POST - SAN}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 02:18:51 PM
O/T - Has everyone seen this?   :D


(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h122/EasyWriter/heart-kun.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 02:21:35 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - you have mail with the phone # and email addy. (I forwarded his message to you.) I think it's the hotmail addy.


Great Job MsMarble!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 02:22:51 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - you have mail with the phone # and email addy. (I forwarded his message to you.) I think it's the hotmail addy.


Great Job MsMarble!!!


Excellent job, MsMarple!!

Cute puppy, Easy...what a luv  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 11, 2007, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - you have mail with the phone # and email addy. (I forwarded his message to you.) I think it's the hotmail addy.


Great Job MsMarble!!!


Excellent job, MsMarple!!

Cute puppy, Easy...what a luv  :lol:


That little heart on his back just happened.  He is being called the cutest dog in the world. lol  There is something kind of inspirational to see a sweet little creature like that when there seems to be so much garbage going on these days.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 11, 2007, 02:32:33 PM
Well, this is curious. The third page of Comments on the Sun-Sentinel article just vanished.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 02:38:30 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Well, this is curious. The third page of Comments on the Sun-Sentinel article just vanished.

It had 53 comments just a little while ago and now it has 37 comments :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 11, 2007, 02:44:01 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Well, this is curious. The third page of Comments on the Sun-Sentinel article just vanished.



Indeed.....I had it up once, now it is POOF!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 11, 2007, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - you have mail with the phone # and email addy. (I forwarded his message to you.) I think it's the hotmail addy.


Great Job MsMarble!!!


Excellent job, MsMarple!!

Cute puppy, Easy...what a luv  :lol:


That little heart on his back just happened.  He is being called the cutest dog in the world. lol  There is something kind of inspirational to see a sweet little creature like that when there seems to be so much garbage going on these days.


AWWWWWWWWWW!!! (http://bestsmileys.com/love2/3.gif)
I want himmmmm!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 02:47:03 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Well, this is curious. The third page of Comments on the Sun-Sentinel article just vanished.


I thought so too.  I just posted a comment, and it did not show up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 11, 2007, 02:47:25 PM
Peeps are sure being evasive at RU on the 'Stolen Laptop' thread :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 03:12:54 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Peeps are sure being evasive at RU on the 'Stolen Laptop' thread :roll:


Let's see:

1.  Joran's hard drive stolen
2.  According to Joran, Julia Renfro's hard drive stolen
3.  KLPD laptop stolen

Now those at RU pass off the KLPD laptop as having nothing to do with the NH case.  The article says specifically the KLPD agent who's laptop was stolen has been in Aruba since March.  That's when the team came to Aruba to investigate the NH case.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 11, 2007, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Well, this is curious. The third page of Comments on the Sun-Sentinel article just vanished.



Indeed.....I had it up once, now it is POOF!!



http://forummadness-itsallajoke.blogspot.com/ is also HISTORY....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 11, 2007, 03:17:18 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Well, this is curious. The third page of Comments on the Sun-Sentinel article just vanished.


Yes, I noticed that, too.

Are ANY of Tamikosmom's posts still there?
I think those are the ones deleted!
I hope it is an effort to protect her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 11, 2007, 03:24:56 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Well, this is curious. The third page of Comments on the Sun-Sentinel article just vanished.


Yes, I noticed that, too.

Are ANY of Tamikosmom's posts still there?
I think those are the ones deleted!
I hope it is an effort to protect her.


Hers are gone. But more than hers also.

Michelle Says So posted two comments with avatars; that might be part of the problem. Those posts were subsequent (i.e., should have been on page 3, but are now on page 2).

The Big Hammer had two posts; one is gone.

It looks more like a malfunction of some sort. (But what do I know?)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Sue on July 11, 2007, 03:41:18 PM
IS there something you want off the sun times site I seem to be bale to see post and stuff is there something you want me to post


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 11, 2007, 03:41:38 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Peeps are sure being evasive at RU on the 'Stolen Laptop' thread :roll:


Let's see:

1.  Joran's hard drive stolen
2.  According to Joran, Julia Renfro's hard drive stolen
3.  KLPD laptop stolen

Now those at RU pass off the KLPD laptop as having nothing to do with the NH case.  The article says specifically the KLPD agent who's laptop was stolen has been in Aruba since March.  That's when the team came to Aruba to investigate the NH case.


Okie Dokie - Lets think here for a minute.... If you are just a "petty" thief, and you wanted to steal something to hock and make a quick buck on, would you STEAL FROM THE POLICE???  Duhhhhh.  

Strange huh?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 11, 2007, 03:44:24 PM
Sue - A couple of hours ago there were 50+ Comments. Now there are 38. There were three pages; now there are two. Just odd.

If you are seeing 50 or more posts, then maybe it's just some of us ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Sue on July 11, 2007, 03:48:22 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Sue - A couple of hours ago there were 50+ Comments. Now there are 38. There were three pages; now there are two. Just odd.

If you are seeing 50 or more posts, then maybe it's just some of us ...


nope i see 40 post... Getting a kick out of SM posts and Michelle and Richards letter LMAO  i am sure someone from newspaper is editing the posts


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Sue on July 11, 2007, 03:49:19 PM


The Ass MIP posted there :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Sue on July 11, 2007, 03:52:46 PM
lets see if they delete my post or not post it


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Sue on July 11, 2007, 03:53:46 PM
well so far mine is posted lets see how long it stays up


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 11, 2007, 04:15:02 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Could this be him?? Undercover distribution center?
http://www.bizearch.com/company/Certified_Enterprise_Solutions_128966.htm

I am clueless, grasping at straws...


Thats him...He also owns petclix.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 11, 2007, 04:17:15 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Sue - A couple of hours ago there were 50+ Comments. Now there are 38. There were three pages; now there are two. Just odd.

If you are seeing 50 or more posts, then maybe it's just some of us ...


The link to my site is still there an I have a counter argument available.

Hammer made some terrific and poignant posts.

News to me on the KLPD laptop.

I have some email addresses for family members. But All I would do is forward this guy from the Sentinel's info and request. I would not give him any email addresses.

If this works, let me know.. or let Red or Klaas handle it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 11, 2007, 04:29:00 PM
Rob - Stay tuned. I plan to call him tonight (although he may not be at work) to see if he heard from anyone. If not, I will need a Plan B, and you might be it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 11, 2007, 04:35:06 PM
Quote from: LilPuma
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I was afraid to blow the margins so it came out avatar size.  It's Ron, whose AIM page says Yes, I do work for AOL.  This is the guy my friends were referred to with their complaints about blatantly unfair treatment of Beth-Dave supporters.  Ron is standing in front of La Ronda Cafe - Aruba.



So that splains that Lucy!

Ugh, that is disgusting.  So glad I left there a long time ago.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 11, 2007, 04:37:50 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
:x The Kingdom of the Netherlands [map], a constitutional monarchy, is located in NW Europe.  It is bounded by the North Sea (N & W), by Belgium (S), and by Germany (E).  Although Amsterdam is its constitutional capital, The Hague is the administrative and governmental capital.  The kingdom includes two overseas territories, the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba in the Caribbean Sea, both of which are self-governing parts of the Kingdom.  The Netherlands has a prosperous and open economy, which depends heavily on foreign trade. The economy is noted for stable industrial relations, moderate unemployment and inflation, a sizable current account surplus, and an important role as a European transportation hub.

The Netherlands is a source, transit, and destination country for men, women, and girls trafficked for the purposes of commercial sexual exploitation and forced labor. Trafficking for sexual exploitation is more prevalent than labor trafficking. Internally, women and girls are trafficked by "lover boys," young men who seduce young women and girls and force them into prostitution. Women and girls are trafficked to the Netherlands from Nigeria, Bulgaria, People's Republic of China (P.R.C.), Poland, and Romania for sexual exploitation. To a smaller extent, men are trafficked to the Netherlands from India, P.R.C., Bangladesh and Turkey for forced labor in ports, factories, restaurants, and as domestic workers.  - U.S. State Dept Trafficking in Persons Report, June, 2007   [full country report]

 http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Netherlands.htm  <More here
 :evil:


Please, I don't know if I could bear knowing she was alive but caught in the sex slave trade.  Which is worse?  Dead or enslaved?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 04:48:04 PM
Alive can be rescued,dead is dead.I think she is dead,sorry/Spartecus wizard


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 11, 2007, 04:52:11 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Rob - Stay tuned. I plan to call him tonight (although he may not be at work) to see if he heard from anyone. If not, I will need a Plan B, and you might be it!


OK... I am at your service as always!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 11, 2007, 04:54:08 PM
Sunfreak,

You have email!   :D Sorry, I try to never make that announcement.  My package made my BD and you didn't even know I had one!  Love it!  I made a post yesterday but think you may have missed it about your Random Act of Kindness!

-------------


Maybe MIP6 is asking the posts be edited and deleted?  He had a real nasty one posted there with the usual claims about what losers we all are.  Maybe he is yet another clairvoyant wannabee from Aruba?


Easy,

Yes, I want that little puppy, too, so cute.

I never get the KKK reference as I am at least two things the KKK hates as are so many of us.  That reference and being called a racist all the time is just baffling when there is never any mention of that on this forum.  I would never support that kind of thing and know none of the other monkeys would either.  Very strange accusation.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 11, 2007, 04:54:12 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
:x The Kingdom of the Netherlands [map], a constitutional monarchy, is located in NW Europe.  It is bounded by the North Sea (N & W), by Belgium (S), and by Germany (E).  Although Amsterdam is its constitutional capital, The Hague is the administrative and governmental capital.  The kingdom includes two overseas territories, the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba in the Caribbean Sea, both of which are self-governing parts of the Kingdom.  The Netherlands has a prosperous and open economy, which depends heavily on foreign trade. The economy is noted for stable industrial relations, moderate unemployment and inflation, a sizable current account surplus, and an important role as a European transportation hub.

The Netherlands is a source, transit, and destination country for men, women, and girls trafficked for the purposes of commercial sexual exploitation and forced labor. Trafficking for sexual exploitation is more prevalent than labor trafficking. Internally, women and girls are trafficked by "lover boys," young men who seduce young women and girls and force them into prostitution. Women and girls are trafficked to the Netherlands from Nigeria, Bulgaria, People's Republic of China (P.R.C.), Poland, and Romania for sexual exploitation. To a smaller extent, men are trafficked to the Netherlands from India, P.R.C., Bangladesh and Turkey for forced labor in ports, factories, restaurants, and as domestic workers.  - U.S. State Dept Trafficking in Persons Report, June, 2007   [full country report]

 http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Netherlands.htm  <More here
 :evil:


Please, I don't know if I could bear knowing she was alive but caught in the sex slave trade.  Which is worse?  Dead or enslaved?


I know... :cry: ....but what really stood out to me on this one was when I read the word 'Lover boys'
Joran used a form of that (a few forms of it, iirc) on sites as a screen name


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 11, 2007, 04:55:55 PM
Sun Freak -  I believe alive is always better and would be God's Plan.

I remember what Paul Reynolds said - 'just give us back a broken Natalee, we can fix her.'

That has always been words to live by imo...

jeezzz... now I'm all choked up...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 11, 2007, 05:21:35 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpcvb0710pnjul10,0,5952534.story

There is a Comments section and there are 50+ so far. Most are on the lines of "WTF are you thinking?"


Wow!  I read that article - makes no sense to hire Pesquera one iota.  What is Palm Beach Co thinking and why are the ARuban's so eager to get rid of him if he does (did) such a marvelous job for them?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 05:22:37 PM
Sunfreak,

Sorta makes you wonder about the apparent ties between So. FL and Aruba, doesn't it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 05:25:11 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "msmarple"


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpcvb0710pnjul10,0,5952534.story

There is a Comments section and there are 50+ so far. Most are on the lines of "WTF are you thinking?"


Wow!  I read that article - makes no sense to hire Pesquera one iota.  What is Palm Beach Co thinking and why are the ARuban's so eager to get rid of him if he does (did) such a marvelous job for them?


That is what I posted in response to MPI and my post was deleted. MPI--is that the right name?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 11, 2007, 05:26:23 PM
It looks like we know why Andres Meneses was interviewed so many times. My guess is he is linked to this witness we are now hearing about and the private aircraft supposedly leaving Aruba.

Quote
Maria Bernadeta Kelly
Friend of Andres Meneses
5/9/06 Eric Soemers
5/9/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
5/9/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
5/18/06 Dennis Jacobs

Andres Meneses
5/10/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
5/15/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
5/26/06 Dennis Jacobs / Darol Werne
6/5/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
6/13/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
6/19/06 Bidjaikoemar Mohan / Rolando Maduro
8/14/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 05:26:29 PM
Wonder,I think it is apparent the connection.The Dark side is getting nasty.i would like to see a broken Natalee,or any Natalee>It is a reasonable request.Wizard


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 11, 2007, 05:27:08 PM
Does anyone have the story of the choller who was hit (and run) by the Aruban police car and the whole story was covered-up.  When the choller went to file charges, it all came out and 2 cops were found at fault.  Anybody else remember this?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 11, 2007, 05:28:23 PM
The computer theft is why the KLPD had to put a new lock on their door in Noord Station.

Inside job, IMO. Dirty Work. :arrow:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 11, 2007, 05:30:41 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Does anyone have the story of the choller who was hit (and run) by the Aruban police car and the whole story was covered-up.  When the choller went to file charges, it all came out and 2 cops were found at fault.  Anybody else remember this?



I remember it.  The choller was in the hospital a very long time.  But I don't have any links to that story.  I do remember it being in the newspapers.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 11, 2007, 05:33:45 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "msmarple"


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpcvb0710pnjul10,0,5952534.story

There is a Comments section and there are 50+ so far. Most are on the lines of "WTF are you thinking?"


Wow!  I read that article - makes no sense to hire Pesquera one iota.  What is Palm Beach Co thinking and why are the ARuban's so eager to get rid of him if he does (did) such a marvelous job for them?


the really confusing part was the vote was unanimous.  Does anyone down there have the residents interests at heart or is it all political?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 11, 2007, 05:34:56 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
The computer theft is why the KLPD had to put a new lock on their door in Noord Station.

Inside job, IMO. Dirty Work. :arrow:


ohh ok igsigs.. I just recalled it as an attempted break in.. didn't realize something was actually stolen.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 11, 2007, 05:36:01 PM
Never followed the whole Mr. Pink angle but...

FWIW > His phone records were investigated on 8/9/05 by the FBI. Per court filing info.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 05:40:16 PM
O/T - FORMER FIRST LADY LADY BIRD JOHNSON DIES AT 94 IN AUSTIN, TEXAS

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 11, 2007, 05:40:18 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "igsigs"
The computer theft is why the KLPD had to put a new lock on their door in Noord Station.

Inside job, IMO. Dirty Work. :arrow:


ohh ok igsigs.. I just recalled it as an attempted break in.. didn't realize something was actually stolen.

Hi Rob. I am just speculating re break-in. Why else would KLPD announce that they put new locks on the door? I think we only got part of that story.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 05:42:50 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Never followed the whole Mr. Pink angle but...

FWIW > His phone records were investigated on 8/9/05 by the FBI. Per court filing info.

I've never heard about this before.  Is this new information.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 05:43:57 PM
Pink should be in jail,he is scum.Wizard


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 11, 2007, 05:44:31 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
It looks like we know why Andres Meneses was interviewed so many times. My guess is he is linked to this witness we are now hearing about and the private aircraft supposedly leaving Aruba.

Quote
Maria Bernadeta Kelly
Friend of Andres Meneses
5/9/06 Eric Soemers
5/9/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
5/9/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
5/18/06 Dennis Jacobs

Andres Meneses
5/10/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
5/15/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
5/26/06 Dennis Jacobs / Darol Werne
6/5/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
6/13/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
6/19/06 Bidjaikoemar Mohan / Rolando Maduro
8/14/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro


I am thinking the first reports had NH drugged and held against her will, thus the medjet that BH had waiting. This new report that she was spirited off the island on a private jet doesn't fit in with years of searches on the island for remains. I tend to believe it is more island PR. Still, it is intriguing that airport workers were repeatedly questioned.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2007, 05:49:28 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "igsigs"
The computer theft is why the KLPD had to put a new lock on their door in Noord Station.

Inside job, IMO. Dirty Work. :arrow:


ohh ok igsigs.. I just recalled it as an attempted break in.. didn't realize something was actually stolen.

Hi Rob. I am just speculating re break-in. Why else would KLPD announce that they put new locks on the door? I think we only got part of that story.


If the KLPD was trying to "close the case" -- we would NEVER know they had to change the locks.  Robots is right -- they are NOT going to be made to look like fools by ALE.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 11, 2007, 05:50:06 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Never followed the whole Mr. Pink angle but...

FWIW > His phone records were investigated on 8/9/05 by the FBI. Per court filing info.

I've never heard about this before.  Is this new information.

I am not sure if it is new San. I read it here...

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2007, 05:54:30 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Spock"
It looks like we know why Andres Meneses was interviewed so many times. My guess is he is linked to this witness we are now hearing about and the private aircraft supposedly leaving Aruba.

Quote
Maria Bernadeta Kelly
Friend of Andres Meneses
5/9/06 Eric Soemers
5/9/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
5/9/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
5/18/06 Dennis Jacobs

Andres Meneses
5/10/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
5/15/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
5/26/06 Dennis Jacobs / Darol Werne
6/5/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
6/13/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
6/19/06 Bidjaikoemar Mohan / Rolando Maduro
8/14/06 Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro


I am thinking the first reports had NH drugged and held against her will, thus the medjet that BH had waiting. This new report that she was spirited off the island on a private jet doesn't fit in with years of searches on the island for remains. I tend to believe it is more island PR. Still, it is intriguing that airport workers were repeatedly questioned.


The airport workers were repeatedly questioned because those trying to cover-up and obfuscate were "swearing to them" that Natalee ran away.
ALE wanted desperately for that to be something they they reasonably allude to.  ---- Problem is -- it was just not "believable" enough. If there was one shred of possibility -- Aruba would have been "running with it" for the past 2 years!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 05:56:01 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Sue - A couple of hours ago there were 50+ Comments. Now there are 38. There were three pages; now there are two. Just odd.

If you are seeing 50 or more posts, then maybe it's just some of us ...


The reason why posts are being deleted is because Charlierat is flagging each post.  Every post that is flagged is removed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Never followed the whole Mr. Pink angle but...

FWIW > His phone records were investigated on 8/9/05 by the FBI. Per court filing info.

I've never heard about this before.  Is this new information.

I am not sure if it is new San. I read it here...

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm

Thank you igsigs.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2007, 05:58:23 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Sue - A couple of hours ago there were 50+ Comments. Now there are 38. There were three pages; now there are two. Just odd.

If you are seeing 50 or more posts, then maybe it's just some of us ...


The reason why posts are being deleted is because Charlierat is flagging each post.  Every post that is flagged is removed.

"Turn-about is fair play" -- might as well "flag" EVERY post!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 06:01:09 PM
robotsrocks


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: sharon on July 11, 2007, 06:01:15 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Sue - A couple of hours ago there were 50+ Comments. Now there are 38. There were three pages; now there are two. Just odd.

If you are seeing 50 or more posts, then maybe it's just some of us ...


The reason why posts are being deleted is because Charlierat is flagging each post.  Every post that is flagged is removed.


If that is true, what a silly ChuckRat :D

I guess he never thought we could just post them again  :wink:

And again :lol:

And again  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 06:02:39 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Sunfreak,

Sorta makes you wonder about the apparent ties between So. FL and Aruba, doesn't it?


.......well we have been seeing this close connection all along through out the case people owning second homes there and in aruba, frequent trips, business connections, going to college there by several of the children of the
"lions"....... what exactly this connection means hmmmmmmm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 06:03:02 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Never followed the whole Mr. Pink angle but...

FWIW > His phone records were investigated on 8/9/05 by the FBI. Per court filing info.

I've never heard about this before.  Is this new information.

It's in one of the court documents.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 11, 2007, 06:05:45 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "igsigs"
http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm

Thank you igsigs.

YW. Did ya see that ALE interviewed Andjeni Kalpoe (sister) on 6/20? Val was thousands of miles away from Aruba by that time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 11, 2007, 06:10:39 PM
Quote from: igsigs
Quote from: "Rob"

Hi Rob. I am just speculating re break-in. Why else would KLPD announce that they put new locks on the door? I think we only got part of that story.


igsigs I thought they changed the entry code...and thought they said it was two women...???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Buckeye on July 11, 2007, 06:10:55 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "igsigs"
http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm

Thank you igsigs.

YW. Did ya see that ALE interviewed Andjeni Kalpoe (sister) on 6/20? Val was thousands of miles away from Aruba by that time.


Yes, hiding out on the evil, FBI obstructionist, White House/Cheney connected, conspiracy, USA homeland.   :roll:  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 11, 2007, 06:12:30 PM
Quote from: Rob
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Rob"

Hi Rob. I am just speculating re break-in. Why else would KLPD announce that they put new locks on the door? I think we only got part of that story.


igsigs I thought they changed the entry code...and thought they said it was two women...???

2 women?!!!  Don't get me started.... :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 11, 2007, 06:12:47 PM
Klaas,

I was just reading the comments at Sun- Sentinel.

There is a nasty post about Natalee and the imposter used the name
Tom Royce.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 11, 2007, 06:15:43 PM
Quote from: "Spock"

I am thinking the first reports had NH drugged and held against her will, thus the medjet that BH had waiting. This new report that she was spirited off the island on a private jet doesn't fit in with years of searches on the island for remains. I tend to believe it is more island PR. Still, it is intriguing that airport workers were repeatedly questioned.


The next question that spings to mind is - could this guy be lying as a witness?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 11, 2007, 06:17:15 PM
I think understanding Guido's role is key here. He was interviewed on 6/3 and gave notice he was leaving the island on 6/7. He was later arrested under suspision of "aggravated heavy battery". He is Joran's friend, casino employee and very well connected. He was given the best attorney in Holland to defend himself. Both Guido and Croes can be placed in the beach-hotel area that evening (as can Joran). If a private aircraft was used, it would likely require someone important with strong connections, either government or underworld. IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 11, 2007, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: igsigs
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Rob"

Hi Rob. I am just speculating re break-in. Why else would KLPD announce that they put new locks on the door? I think we only got part of that story.


igsigs I thought they changed the entry code...and thought they said it was two women...???

2 women?!!!  Don't get me started.... :twisted:


are you saying this is bullcrap or JR and AM?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Klaas,

I was just reading the comments at Sun- Sentinel.

There is a nasty post about Natalee and the imposter used the name
Tom Royce.

Yes, I just saw it too.  I've flagged it, copied it and sent on to Tom.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 11, 2007, 06:19:46 PM
Quote from: Rob
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Rob"

Hi Rob. I am just speculating re break-in. Why else would KLPD announce that they put new locks on the door? I think we only got part of that story.


igsigs I thought they changed the entry code...and thought they said it was two women...???

2 women?!!!  Don't get me started.... :twisted:


are you saying this is bullcrap or JR and AM?


Those were two desperate women to try to get away with that theft!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 11, 2007, 06:19:58 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Spock"

I am thinking the first reports had NH drugged and held against her will, thus the medjet that BH had waiting. This new report that she was spirited off the island on a private jet doesn't fit in with years of searches on the island for remains. I tend to believe it is more island PR. Still, it is intriguing that airport workers were repeatedly questioned.


The next question that spings to mind is - could this guy be lying as a witness?


Sure he could be lying, and it does seem to be a "relief valve" for J2K and island tourism. I'm not completely buying it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 06:21:24 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
I think understanding Guido's role is key here. He was interviewed on 6/3 and gave notice he was leaving the island on 6/7. He was later arrested under suspision of "aggravated heavy battery". He is Joran's friend, casino employee and very well connected. He was given the best attorney in Holland to defend himself. Both Guido and Croes can be placed in the beach-hotel area that evening (as can Joran). If a private aircraft was used, it would likely require someone important with strong connections, either government or underworld. IMO

True


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 11, 2007, 06:22:38 PM
JR and AM , Rob.

eta: Just reading in Joran's book that GVC and his sister cop tried out for parts in OV (Dutch Most Wanted). Sister got a part, GVC denied. Too weird.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 06:26:34 PM
Spock,I think you are right.I would like to know more about croes and gvc.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 11, 2007, 06:27:02 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
JR and AM , Rob.

eta: Just reading in Joran's book that GVC and his sister cop tried out for parts in OV (Dutch Most Wanted). Sister got a part, GVC denied. Too weird.


LOL!! I am still amazed at there choice for the actor who played Joran..Couldnt they find a white guy instead of someone that looked like a aruban?What a joke!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 06:27:42 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
JR and AM , Rob.

eta: Just reading in Joran's book that GVC and his sister cop tried out for parts in OV (Dutch Most Wanted). Sister got a part, GVC denied. Too weird.

But but Joran said he doesn't know GVC so why would he mention him in his book.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 11, 2007, 06:29:41 PM
Spock, i agree that Guido is key. Being the only friend of Joran that was interviewed before 6/9, i think it is entirely possible his questioning was unrelated to Joran, and more based on the scratch witnesses.

Then Joran deceptively leaves any reference to Guido out of his extensive retelling of Monday night (6/14 PV), even though he spent practically all night with him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2007, 06:37:57 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Spock, i agree that Guido is key. Being the only friend of Joran that was interviewed before 6/9, i think it is entirely possible his questioning was unrelated to Joran, and more based on the scratch witnesses.

Then Joran deceptively leaves any reference to Guido out of his extensive retelling of Monday night (6/14 PV), even though he spent practically all night with him.

When GVC was arrested, Joran's peeps ALL said that he did not know him. In fact, apparently Joran didn't know ANYONE on the island!!!  :roll:  :shock:

(he only knew Deepak and Satish for about a month -- then only "vaguely") :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 06:40:13 PM
spock is correct


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: igsigs on July 11, 2007, 06:40:33 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "igsigs"
JR and AM , Rob.

eta: Just reading in Joran's book that GVC and his sister cop tried out for parts in OV (Dutch Most Wanted). Sister got a part, GVC denied. Too weird.

But but Joran said he doesn't know GVC so why would he mention him in his book.

This is all from the *Two Arrests* chapter. Joran goes on and on and on about GVC and then devotes only a single paragraph to Guido's arrest. Then says it is all good because it shows ALE is looking in other directions! Like Guido is another direction... :?:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 06:40:59 PM
anyone else having problems with site loading SLOWWWWWWW


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 11, 2007, 06:44:56 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
JR and AM , Rob.

eta: Just reading in Joran's book that GVC and his sister cop tried out for parts in OV (Dutch Most Wanted). Sister got a part, GVC denied. Too weird.


I think the whole damn bunch are on ACID (http://bestsmileys.com/freak/2.gif) (http://bestsmileys.com/drooling/4.gif) (http://bestsmileys.com/silly/13.gif) (http://bestsmileys.com/freak/5.gif) (http://bestsmileys.com/scifi/6.gif)

Bunch of freaks, period.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 06:48:23 PM
Quote from: "robots"
anyone else having problems with site loading SLOWWWWWWW

Yes, and I've reported it to Dugga  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 06:50:32 PM
Quote from: "robots"
anyone else having problems with site loading SLOWWWWWWW


Yes, I am now running a second virus scan CC Cleaner


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
anyone else having problems with site loading SLOWWWWWWW

Yes, and I've reported it to Dugga  :wink:


ty 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 07:10:25 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "robots"
anyone else having problems with site loading SLOWWWWWWW


Yes, I am now running a second virus scan CC Cleaner



 :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 07:12:45 PM
Good Day Monkeys

Dropping in and Just Wondering if anything new besides the Sun-Sentinel article?

It was in the Mid 90's over the week-end and now it might get down to lower 60's tonight..  :shock:   No wonder the seasons and weather patterns are referred to as Mother Nature  (running for cover) (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/hide.gif)

Grass shot up 1 1/2 " after last nights rain... so time to Mow :cry:

bbl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 07:15:40 PM
Cage slowness....
Seems to come & go...
I just thought mabe some tweaking / prep work was going on behind the curtains...

SeeeYaaByeee


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IBE on July 11, 2007, 07:20:50 PM
Quote from: "robots"
anyone else having problems with site loading SLOWWWWWWW


Yes, I am using Firefox. I have yet to find the site monitor link in all the browsers I am using... then again I am using a "toy computer" :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IBE on July 11, 2007, 07:26:54 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Spock"

I am thinking the first reports had NH drugged and held against her will, thus the medjet that BH had waiting. This new report that she was spirited off the island on a private jet doesn't fit in with years of searches on the island for remains. I tend to believe it is more island PR. Still, it is intriguing that airport workers were repeatedly questioned.


The next question that spings to mind is - could this guy be lying as a witness?


Sure he could be lying, and it does seem to be a "relief valve" for J2K and island tourism. I'm not completely buying it.


There was also the rumor that an Arabian prince's private plane was there and took off the next day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 07:27:06 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "robots"
anyone else having problems with site loading SLOWWWWWWW


Yes, I am using Firefox. I have yet to find the site monitor link in all the browsers I am using... then again I am using a "toy computer" :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


It is in the middle of the page at the bottom.  It looks like this (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/SiteMeter.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "robots"
anyone else having problems with site loading SLOWWWWWWW


Yes, I am using Firefox. I have yet to find the site monitor link in all the browsers I am using... then again I am using a "toy computer" :lol:  :lol:  :lol:




 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 11, 2007, 07:33:20 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
I think understanding Guido's role is key here. He was interviewed on 6/3 and gave notice he was leaving the island on 6/7. He was later arrested under suspision of "aggravated heavy battery". He is Joran's friend, casino employee and very well connected. He was given the best attorney in Holland to defend himself. Both Guido and Croes can be placed in the beach-hotel area that evening (as can Joran). If a private aircraft was used, it would likely require someone important with strong connections, either government or underworld. IMO


Yesterday I was reading at a NL site...some older stuff and found an article on Guido. I went to the message board on that article and translated some of the messages...one I thought was interesting>>>
DUTCH: ORANJESTAD — De zoon van minister Candelario ‘Booshi’ Wever (MEP) van Volksgezondheid en Milieu, Guido ‘Inti’, is gisteren na een betaling van een boete van 1750 florin vrijgekomen. Hij zat sinds zaterdag vast wegens bedreiging van de familie Thijzen.
VERY ROUGH TRANSLATION: lol...>>ORANJESTAD - the zoon of minister Candelario ` Booshi ' weaver (MEP)
of public health and environment, Guido ` Inti ', has been released
yesterday after a payment of a fine of 1750 florin. He zat since
Saturday permanently because of threat of the family Thijzen.

Rose - Leiden - 22/05/06 - 10:08:01

The article is on
http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/article353863.ece?pageNumber=2#reactie


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IBE on July 11, 2007, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "robots"
anyone else having problems with site loading SLOWWWWWWW


Yes, I am using Firefox. I have yet to find the site monitor link in all the browsers I am using... then again I am using a "toy computer" :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


It is in the middle of the page at the bottom.  It looks like this (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/SiteMeter.gif)


San, does it appear when you are using your Mac?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 11, 2007, 07:48:45 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "robots"
anyone else having problems with site loading SLOWWWWWWW


Yes, I am now running a second virus scan CC Cleaner


Yes, 10 min to load the forums


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 07:49:27 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "robots"
anyone else having problems with site loading SLOWWWWWWW


Yes, I am now running a second virus scan CC Cleaner



 :shock:


Thought it was my computer, the reason things were running slow. Everything is checking out OK


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 07:50:47 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Spock"

I am thinking the first reports had NH drugged and held against her will, thus the medjet that BH had waiting. This new report that she was spirited off the island on a private jet doesn't fit in with years of searches on the island for remains. I tend to believe it is more island PR. Still, it is intriguing that airport workers were repeatedly questioned.


The next question that spings to mind is - could this guy be lying as a witness?


Sure he could be lying, and it does seem to be a "relief valve" for J2K and island tourism. I'm not completely buying it.


There was also the rumor that an Arabian prince's private plane was there and took off the next day.


Yes and that other rich friend of LVR.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 07:51:20 PM
Looks like it might be a script Error in the sub server  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 07:51:57 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "robots"
anyone else having problems with site loading SLOWWWWWWW


Yes, I am using Firefox. I have yet to find the site monitor link in all the browsers I am using... then again I am using a "toy computer" :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


It is in the middle of the page at the bottom.  It looks like this (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/SiteMeter.gif)


San, does it appear when you are using your Mac?

I am not sure.  I will check give me a few minutes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 11, 2007, 07:55:13 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "robots"
anyone else having problems with site loading SLOWWWWWWW


Yes, I am using Firefox. I have yet to find the site monitor link in all the browsers I am using... then again I am using a "toy computer" :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


It is in the middle of the page at the bottom.  It looks like this (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/SiteMeter.gif)


San, does it appear when you are using your Mac?

I am not sure.  I will check give me a few minutes.


I can see the site meter on my mac using safari but its not in the same place when i use IE on my PC.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 07:55:47 PM
Seems to be loading quicker.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IBE on July 11, 2007, 07:56:58 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Spock"

I am thinking the first reports had NH drugged and held against her will, thus the medjet that BH had waiting. This new report that she was spirited off the island on a private jet doesn't fit in with years of searches on the island for remains. I tend to believe it is more island PR. Still, it is intriguing that airport workers were repeatedly questioned.


The next question that spings to mind is - could this guy be lying as a witness?


Sure he could be lying, and it does seem to be a "relief valve" for J2K and island tourism. I'm not completely buying it.


There was also the rumor that an Arabian prince's private plane was there and took off the next day.


What other rich friend? Do we have a name or other info???

The person who said the 60's were the new 30's must not be there yet!

Yes and that other rich friend of LVR.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 11, 2007, 07:57:05 PM
Everything is working top notch for me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IBE on July 11, 2007, 07:58:47 PM
I don't get the site meter at all on the front page or here using Firefox. Also the Amazon search link logo is different with different browsers.

Thanks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IBE on July 11, 2007, 08:01:29 PM
Gads, I put my question into the quote again!   :oops:


Re: What other rich friend?    Do we have a name or other info???

The person who said the 60's were the new 30's must not be there yet!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 11, 2007, 08:02:32 PM
If anyone wants to know why KLPD won't expose the ALE/MEP coverup, consider the following. The Dutch are a minority on the island and control the government, the casinos, and the drug trafficing. Holland spends hundreds of millions of dollars annually propping up the MEP government which is loyal to Holland. They simply will not do anything that would change that. If the Dutch could prosecute the crime alone they would, but this involves the bigger ALE and government coverup. In the big picture, Holland wants to keep MEP and themselves in control. I wish it wasn't that way, but it is. IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IBE on July 11, 2007, 08:05:33 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
If anyone wants to know why KLPD won't expose the ALE/MEP coverup, consider the following. The Dutch are a minority on the island and control the government, the casinos, and the drug trafficing. Holland spends hundreds of millions of dollars annually propping up the MEP government which is loyal to Holland. They simply will not do anything that would change that. If the Dutch could prosecute the crime alone they would, but this involves the bigger ALE and government coverup. In the big picture, Holland wants to keep MEP and themselves in control. I wish it wasn't that way, but it is. IMO


Then will they put in a sacrificed lamb? not Joran??? and not Kapoes? Maybe LvR??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 08:09:47 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
I don't get the site meter at all on the front page or here using Firefox. Also the Amazon search link logo is different with different browsers.

Thanks.

IBE, I get the site meter on my mac also.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 11, 2007, 08:13:03 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "Spock"
If anyone wants to know why KLPD won't expose the ALE/MEP coverup, consider the following. The Dutch are a minority on the island and control the government, the casinos, and the drug trafficing. Holland spends hundreds of millions of dollars annually propping up the MEP government which is loyal to Holland. They simply will not do anything that would change that. If the Dutch could prosecute the crime alone they would, but this involves the bigger ALE and government coverup. In the big picture, Holland wants to keep MEP and themselves in control. I wish it wasn't that way, but it is. IMO


Then will they put in a sacrificed lamb? not Joran??? and not Kapoes? Maybe LvR??


I don't think so, J2K know how ALE and MEP covered it up. Prosecute them and you have to expose the coverup. Holland, knew the whole story by the end of June 2005, they had Jannsen filling them in. She has since been recalled after prosecuting nothing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 11, 2007, 08:16:59 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
If anyone wants to know why KLPD won't expose the ALE/MEP coverup, consider the following. The Dutch are a minority on the island and control the government, the casinos, and the drug trafficing. Holland spends hundreds of millions of dollars annually propping up the MEP government which is loyal to Holland. They simply will not do anything that would change that. If the Dutch could prosecute the crime alone they would, but this involves the bigger ALE and government coverup. In the big picture, Holland wants to keep MEP and themselves in control. I wish it wasn't that way, but it is. IMO


Spock I completely agree..

The only way anything happens is if the MEP is gone and Aruba is in a terrible financial problem. That's why I support the boycott. If the island goes broke, then there is a small chance for change... otherwise... it's not going anywhere..

They could have Natalee's body in Holland from the Sloot garden and still nothing would happen.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 08:19:37 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "IBE"
I don't get the site meter at all on the front page or here using Firefox. Also the Amazon search link logo is different with different browsers.

Thanks.

IBE, I get the site meter on my mac also.


As do I...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 08:21:17 PM
so, you think nothing will come of this ??









ENTER - ONE HONEST DUTCH MAN

and/or

ENTER TIM MILLER


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2007, 08:24:55 PM
Quote from: "robots"
so, you think nothing will come of this ??









ENTER - ONE HONEST DUTCH MAN

and/or

ENTER TIM MILLER


..or The FBI

They KNOW that the FBI KNOWS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "robots"
so, you think nothing will come of this ??









ENTER - ONE HONEST DUTCH MAN

and/or

ENTER TIM MILLER


..or The FBI

They KNOW that the FBI KNOWS


yes, thank you
the

FBI is in the know


<--still 99.9 percent sure the SUTCH will get them all


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 08:29:00 PM
Quote from: "robots"
so, you think nothing will come of this ??





ENTER - ONE HONEST DUTCH MAN

and/or

ENTER TIM MILLER

robots there are plenty of honest dutch men.  They just aren't involved in this case.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IBE on July 11, 2007, 08:29:22 PM
the site meter comes in as java script and Safari, Firefox and IE are not bringing it in for me, but all other Java things at other sites do. Thanks all.

I have now really goofed up my Safari and IE somehow and can't load anything.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 08:30:57 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "robots"
so, you think nothing will come of this ??





ENTER - ONE HONEST DUTCH MAN

and/or

ENTER TIM MILLER

robots there are plenty of honest dutch men.  They just aren't involved in this case.


yes, i agree  
but , i think there is at least one in the case


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 11, 2007, 08:35:26 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "Spock"
If anyone wants to know why KLPD won't expose the ALE/MEP coverup, consider the following. The Dutch are a minority on the island and control the government, the casinos, and the drug trafficing. Holland spends hundreds of millions of dollars annually propping up the MEP government which is loyal to Holland. They simply will not do anything that would change that. If the Dutch could prosecute the crime alone they would, but this involves the bigger ALE and government coverup. In the big picture, Holland wants to keep MEP and themselves in control. I wish it wasn't that way, but it is. IMO


Then will they put in a sacrificed lamb? not Joran??? and not Kapoes? Maybe LvR??


I don't think so, J2K know how ALE and MEP covered it up. Prosecute them and you have to expose the coverup. Holland, knew the whole story by the end of June 2005, they had Jannsen filling them in. She has since been recalled after prosecuting nothing.


I dont see how this is ever gonna be solved if the coverup isnt exposed. :x


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 11, 2007, 08:40:06 PM
do any of you happen to know what the website that used to be arubas silence was changed to?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 11, 2007, 08:43:15 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "Spock"
If anyone wants to know why KLPD won't expose the ALE/MEP coverup, consider the following. The Dutch are a minority on the island and control the government, the casinos, and the drug trafficing. Holland spends hundreds of millions of dollars annually propping up the MEP government which is loyal to Holland. They simply will not do anything that would change that. If the Dutch could prosecute the crime alone they would, but this involves the bigger ALE and government coverup. In the big picture, Holland wants to keep MEP and themselves in control. I wish it wasn't that way, but it is. IMO


Then will they put in a sacrificed lamb? not Joran??? and not Kapoes? Maybe LvR??


I don't think so, J2K know how ALE and MEP covered it up. Prosecute them and you have to expose the coverup. Holland, knew the whole story by the end of June 2005, they had Jannsen filling them in. She has since been recalled after prosecuting nothing.


I dont see how this is ever gonna be solved if the coverup isnt exposed. :x


Yes, right now we have the government investigating the government. Now, how do we expect that to turn out?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 08:45:00 PM
Most people cant keep their MOUTHS shut

it will take JUST 1


<-----------BETTING it all

on HUMAN NATURE  8)


Title: Darn browsers
Post by: IBE on July 11, 2007, 08:45:42 PM
I have been online since 1982 and today I have had it!!!  with browsers and java and et al.  Am going out and tend my tomato plants to regroup!!  tGhe ones I planted died for I changed the soil. These just popped up where I can eaten the tomatoes last yr. right off the vine.....Thanks for "listening" :lol:  :lol: Promise to come back in a better mood.

J4N  Good Monkeys, keep up the Good Works!

Ps can't find a grocery that sells skim milk so I can add it to water... supposedly takes care of powdery mildew. The neighbor's tomatoes is full of the stuff and she refuses to spray with anything.. thinks it will harm her tomotoes... heck the mildew kills.

End of rant :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  TIA  Now out of 4 browsers I can get only one to work... Firefox still no site meter and Amazon link doesn't load in like it should. I think it's me!!1


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2007, 08:47:49 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Most people cant keep their MOUTHS shut

it will take JUST 1


<-----------BETTING it all

on HUMAN NATURE  8)


It just might take ONE Dutch man who is NOT getting his share of the spoils.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 08:48:44 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "robots"
Most people cant keep their MOUTHS shut

it will take JUST 1


<-----------BETTING it all

on HUMAN NATURE  8)


It just might take ONE Dutch man who is NOT getting his share of the spoils.


there ya go !!

now, you thinking

are you a robots ? 8)


Title: Re: Darn browsers
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2007, 08:49:29 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
I have been online since 1982 and today I have had it!!!  with browsers and java and et al.  Am going out and tend my tomato plants to regroup!!  tGhe ones I planted died for I changed the soil. These just popped up where I can eaten the tomatoes last yr. right off the vine.....Thanks for "listening" :lol:  :lol: Promise to come back in a better mood.

J4N  Good Monkeys, keep up the Good Works!

Ps can't find a grocery that sells skim milk so I can add it to water... supposedly takes care of powdery mildew. The neighbor's tomatoes is full of the stuff and she refuses to spray with anything.. thinks it will harm her tomotoes... heck the mildew kills.

End of rant :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  TIA  Now out of 4 browsers I can get only one to work... Firefox still no site meter and Amazon link doesn't load in like it should. I think it's me!!1


use MAXTHON browser


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 08:51:32 PM
clear yoru cookies  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 11, 2007, 08:55:42 PM
Quote from: "JuJu"
do any of you happen to know what the website that used to be arubas silence was changed to?



In case  you haven't gotten it yet.....http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/hmmmm.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 11, 2007, 08:58:26 PM
Thank You Sunny!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 11, 2007, 09:00:19 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "Spock"
If anyone wants to know why KLPD won't expose the ALE/MEP coverup, consider the following. The Dutch are a minority on the island and control the government, the casinos, and the drug trafficing. Holland spends hundreds of millions of dollars annually propping up the MEP government which is loyal to Holland. They simply will not do anything that would change that. If the Dutch could prosecute the crime alone they would, but this involves the bigger ALE and government coverup. In the big picture, Holland wants to keep MEP and themselves in control. I wish it wasn't that way, but it is. IMO


Then will they put in a sacrificed lamb? not Joran??? and not Kapoes? Maybe LvR??


I don't think so, J2K know how ALE and MEP covered it up. Prosecute them and you have to expose the coverup. Holland, knew the whole story by the end of June 2005, they had Jannsen filling them in. She has since been recalled after prosecuting nothing.


I dont see how this is ever gonna be solved if the coverup isnt exposed. :x

You're right on the money.  Spock too.  The only direction this case has is to expose the corruption.  The simple crime committed against Natalee, being drugged, kidnapped, raped and murdered is secondary to the coverup committed by the ALE and the ATA covering it up. It's been blown beyond just an innocent high school graduate targeted for rape.
It's now about the coverup.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 09:02:11 PM
Hey Indy! How ya doing?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IBE on July 11, 2007, 09:02:37 PM
Thanks Robots...Have cleared cookies, cache. Thanks Wreck looked up the browser you recommended but it's Windows and I have a Mac... please no "toy" jokes. I'm in a very icky mood. ie: if I were married, I have to take a walk not to take it out on anyone. Computers do this to me!

Taking a break. Will check back for any more suggestions. Need to call Earthlink about the other two browsers for I must have done something different for now can't log on. I usually clear cookies and cache each time I use the browsers.

I can't pay my credit cards online for it doesn't recognize the Java script window "make payment" link shows nothing in the window (java script) but I can use my neighbor's Mac with the same vs. of IE and Safari and hers works fine!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: sb on July 11, 2007, 09:02:49 PM
Hi everyone,

I found the Sun-Sentinel article but I can't find where there was any mention of a possible air kidnapping or getting Natalee out of Aruba that way. Can anyone tell me where that is?

The move by Palm Beach county doesn't surprise me in the least. It is one of the dirtiest and most corrupt places you can imagine, with a LOT of old-money socialists running the show. An Aruban official would feel right at home there. And has anyone else noticed how that wherever the politics swing sharply leftward, the hatred for Natalee's family and the state of Alabama goes off the charts? That fact has not been lost on me from Day One.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:07:34 PM
all i know is this, i have seen it many times in my 97 years
and it is what gets me thru another day, week, month and sometimes just for an hour  


just when you think its over.... when there is no hope left, and there is nothing going to happen to "fix" something or make it better or make it bearable...

OUT OF THE BLUE, something happens

call it what you want



hope
luck
faith
chance
dumb luck
prayer

call it anything you want

IT HAPPENS all the time and in this case it has taken longer than what anyone has wanted

i once waited 2 years for things to get better for a family member
every day was a night mare..

it got better

im not saying it always does

but it can


its called HOPE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:08:51 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Thanks Robots...Have cleared cookies, cache. Thanks Wreck looked up the browser you recommended but it's Windows and I have a Mac... please no "toy" jokes. I'm in a very icky mood. ie: if I were married, I have to take a walk not to take it out on anyone. Computers do this to me!

Taking a break. Will check back for any more suggestions. Need to call Earthlink about the other two browsers for I must have done something different for now can't log on. I usually clear cookies and cache each time I use the browsers.

I can't pay my credit cards online for it doesn't recognize the Java script window "make payment" link shows nothing in the window (java script) but I can use my neighbor's Mac with the same vs. of IE and Safari and hers works fine!


TURN your computer OFF, wait 5 minutes TAKE 2 tylenol and call me in the morning



seriouly, try shutting it down and restarting  8)


Title: Re: Darn browsers
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
I have been online since 1982 and today I have had it!!!  with browsers and java and et al.  Am going out and tend my tomato plants to regroup!!  tGhe ones I planted died for I changed the soil. These just popped up where I can eaten the tomatoes last yr. right off the vine.....Thanks for "listening" :lol:  :lol: Promise to come back in a better mood.

J4N  Good Monkeys, keep up the Good Works!

Ps can't find a grocery that sells skim milk so I can add it to water... supposedly takes care of powdery mildew. The neighbor's tomatoes is full of the stuff and she refuses to spray with anything.. thinks it will harm her tomotoes... heck the mildew kills.

End of rant :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  TIA  Now out of 4 browsers I can get only one to work... Firefox still no site meter and Amazon link doesn't load in like it should. I think it's me!!1

IBE
I'll bet you can find an alternative to skim milk ...if you can still do searches?
Does your neighbor have  powdery mildew?
Maybe it is something you have been giving your  plants?
4 browsers  :shock:  I have enough problems with I.E.
and  online since 1982 (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/db212351.gif)   :?  Maybe I'm not such an OldF  after all    :wink:  :lol:

Wishing you the best at getting things straightned out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 11, 2007, 09:15:47 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
...I can't pay my credit cards online for it doesn't recognize the Java script window "make payment" link shows nothing in the window (java script) but I can use my neighbor's Mac with the same vs. of IE and Safari and hers works fine!


IBE; try useing mycheckfree.com to pay your bills.  It's free and very reliable


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 11, 2007, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: "robots"
all i know is this, i have seen it many times in my 97 years



Robots,  is this a typo?  

If not,  then you do darned well on the computer for a robot your age :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 09:18:54 PM
IBE - I know nothing about Macs but I just did a search and some recommend using iCAB as a Mac browser.  Have you looked at iCAB?

Does anyone with a Mac know about iCAB?

http://www.icab.de/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 11, 2007, 09:19:24 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Quote from: "robots"
all i know is this, i have seen it many times in my 97 years



Robots,  is this a typo?  

If not,  then you do darned well on the computer for a robot your age :wink:


Yesterday he was 87.  At this rate he'll be rusting up and we'll be selling him for scrape real soon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 11, 2007, 09:19:46 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Quote from: "robots"
all i know is this, i have seen it many times in my 97 years



Robots,  is this a typo?  

If not,  then you do darned well on the computer for a robot your age :wink:


he ages quickly, he was only 87 yesterday  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 11, 2007, 09:21:34 PM
scrap not scrape.  but you knew what I meant.  Dugga where's our edit button?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:23:04 PM
well,, i can see the humans are thinking they are smarter than the robots tonight  8)  :twisted:

robots ages changes according to the day of the week and we get younger and older ALSO when are INTERNAL ROBITIC parts are changed out


we get new parts put in us and we get younger,

silly humans  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:23:36 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Quote from: "robots"
all i know is this, i have seen it many times in my 97 years



Robots,  is this a typo?  

If not,  then you do darned well on the computer for a robot your age :wink:


Yesterday he was 87.  At this rate he'll be rusting up and we'll be selling him for scrape real soon.



 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:24:25 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Quote from: "robots"
all i know is this, i have seen it many times in my 97 years



Robots,  is this a typo?  

If not,  then you do darned well on the computer for a robot your age :wink:


why thank you  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 11, 2007, 09:24:50 PM
LOL :lol:

I just had to respond.  Lately I've been so busy, and Im having trying times at home so have only lurked here and there.  I miss  posting regularly.  Soon enough my son will be gone off to college and I can become a certified emotional wreck!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:25:02 PM
i can barely hear ya....speak up !!!

hearing aid battery is weak  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 09:26:19 PM
Quote from: "robots"
well,, i can see the humans are thinking they are smarter than the robots tonight  8)  :twisted:

robots ages changes according to the day of the week and we get younger and older ALSO when are INTERNAL ROBITIC parts are changed out


we get new parts put in us and we get younger,
silly humans  8)


Uh,  where do we humans get these parts, if you don't mind sharing.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Quote from: "robots"
all i know is this, i have seen it many times in my 97 years



Robots,  is this a typo?  

If not,  then you do darned well on the computer for a robot your age :wink:


Yesterday he was 87.  At this rate he'll be rusting up and we'll be selling him for scrape real soon.

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 11, 2007, 09:27:58 PM
yeah, i could use a few new parts too!

I do have to say I absolutely love everyone's new looks


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 09:28:04 PM
Ortho Surgeons can replace you,bit by bit.It takes time and pain,but whatever


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "robots"
well,, i can see the humans are thinking they are smarter than the robots tonight  8)  :twisted:

robots ages changes according to the day of the week and we get younger and older ALSO when are INTERNAL ROBITIC parts are changed out


we get new parts put in us and we get younger,
silly humans  8)


Uh,  where do we humans get these parts, if you don't mind sharing.  :wink:


at the robot rebuilding factory  8)  

(which is in my BARN )
 :twisted:


Title: Thanks all
Post by: IBE on July 11, 2007, 09:28:25 PM
Yes, Old Fart and I was 42 when I first got online and the Apple IIe with the 300k $600 modem :oops: . Worked on weekends as a Mac multimedia "expert" for 4 yrs. at local CompUSA. age 48-52. I was their "token" senior then; now I'd really been their Senior... but it doesn't mean diddly now for technology changes so fast and I am slower, I think. Hobbling off to the tomato plants :lol:  :lol: with the Strauss waltz on the radio.

Thanks all for your suggestions. Am now really taking a break. Be back soon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
yeah, i could use a few new parts too!

I do have to say I absolutely love everyone's new looks


i am ROBOTIC MARIO

 :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 09:28:55 PM
IBE
Also check the simple things...  I No nothing about MACs' or other browers
but in ealry 2005 using sons computer (when his as the only one I had access to) with  firefox/moxzilla (?) on it I disable graphics from SM..
No Avi', no quote, post, reply or PM buttons ----Nothing
Was like standing at the glass sliding door  with no way in or to get attention.. I Had wait &  get an answer to what I done by using the office PC


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2007, 09:29:01 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
LOL :lol:

I just had to respond.  Lately I've been so busy, and Im having trying times at home so have only lurked here and there.  I miss  posting regularly.  Soon enough my son will be gone off to college and I can become a certified emotional wreck!   :lol:

...excuse me????????? :shock:


Title: Re: Thanks all
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:29:55 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Yes, Old Fart and I was 42 when I first got online and the Apple IIe with the 300k $600 modem :oops: . Worked on weekends as a Mac multimedia "expert" for 4 yrs. at local CompUSA. age 48-52. I was their "token" senior then; now I'd really been their Senior... but it doesn't mean diddly now for technology changes so fast and I am slower, I think. Hobbling off to the tomato plants :lol:  :lol: with the Strauss waltz on the radio.

Thanks all for your suggestions. Am now really taking a break. Be back soon.



 :lol:  :lol: toooo funny IBE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:30:28 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
LOL :lol:

I just had to respond.  Lately I've been so busy, and Im having trying times at home so have only lurked here and there.  I miss  posting regularly.  Soon enough my son will be gone off to college and I can become a certified emotional wreck!   :lol:

...excuse me????????? :shock:



 :shock:  :lol:  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 11, 2007, 09:30:42 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
LOL :lol:

I just had to respond.  Lately I've been so busy, and Im having trying times at home so have only lurked here and there.  I miss  posting regularly.  Soon enough my son will be gone off to college and I can become a certified emotional wreck!   :lol:

...excuse me????????? :shock:



oh, sorry, I didn't mean to offend you if I did.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2007, 09:32:13 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
LOL :lol:

I just had to respond.  Lately I've been so busy, and Im having trying times at home so have only lurked here and there.  I miss  posting regularly.  Soon enough my son will be gone off to college and I can become a certified emotional wreck!   :lol:

...excuse me????????? :shock:



oh, sorry, I didn't mean to offend you if I did.
:D  :smt064


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 09:33:43 PM
Yes,I know the empty ,but happy felling you get,when the nest empties.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 11, 2007, 09:34:24 PM
anybody else out there go through trying times with their kid a month before they left for college?

  You know,  making stupid decisions, being moody?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 09:34:43 PM
Ms Vader,you don't look  a day over 6 in cat years.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 11, 2007, 09:35:18 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
anybody else out there go through trying times with their kid a month before they left for college?

  You know,  making stupid decisions, being moody?


That covers the whole teenage years!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 09:36:11 PM
yes,Ms V.I do,but is joran living with his granny in holland.I bet she locks the door and the neighbors do ,too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 11, 2007, 09:36:17 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Ms Vader,you don't look  a day over 6 in cat years.


awww, thanks :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Marlee on July 11, 2007, 09:37:01 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
anybody else out there go through trying times with their kid a month before they left for college?

  You know,  making stupid decisions, being moody?


Ms.DV---I haven't seen my son since May 4 and that is exactly what I am doing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 09:37:39 PM
Evening monkeys.  Are we fighting in here?  I sense some tension in the ranks...well maybe not.


Mrs. Darth, Boy or girl?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:38:18 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
anybody else out there go through trying times with their kid a month before they left for college?

  You know,  making stupid decisions, being moody?




mine is in 2nd year

living at home...

which im very happy about, great kid

but they all make stupid decisions INCLUDING him  
 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 11, 2007, 09:39:04 PM
I can honestly say, my boy has been great up till the past 3 months!  I swear he's making up for it now.

 I am almost looking forward to his leaving,  he'll be in a regimented college so he'll have to be on his best behavior or he won't be playing college football.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:40:09 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
I can honestly say, my boy has been great up till the past 3 months!  I swear he's making up for it now.

 I am almost looking forward to his leaving,  he'll be in a regimented college so he'll have to be on his best behavior or he won't be playing college football.


he is probably nervous

excited and nervous at the same time

 :?:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 11, 2007, 09:40:13 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Evening monkeys.  Are we fighting in here?  I sense some tension in the ranks...well maybe not.


Mrs. Darth, Boy or girl?


No fighting in here  :wink:

BOY


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:40:57 PM
and we are not talking about BAZOOKAS


either

THANK GOODNESS

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 11, 2007, 09:41:24 PM
Robots,

I'm sure you're right about that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Marlee on July 11, 2007, 09:41:31 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
I can honestly say, my boy has been great up till the past 3 months!  I swear he's making up for it now.

 I am almost looking forward to his leaving,  he'll be in a regimented college so he'll have to be on his best behavior or he won't be playing college football.


OOPS!  I thought you were moody and had a hard time making decisions....LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 09:42:24 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "robots"
well,, i can see the humans are thinking they are smarter than the robots tonight  8)  :twisted:

robots ages changes according to the day of the week and we get younger and older ALSO when are INTERNAL ROBITIC parts are changed out


we get new parts put in us and we get younger,
silly humans  8)


Uh,  where do we humans get these parts, if you don't mind sharing.  :wink:


Better ask San about the new parts, if ya know what I mean(the uh hum bazookas).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 09:42:25 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
yes,Ms V.I do,but is joran living with his granny in holland.I bet she locks the door and the neighbors do ,too.

I'd double lock it if I were his granny.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 09:43:26 PM
Okay, dumb computer questions from me, please don't laugh.   My email keeps sending me this stuff that must be in someone's email.  Kind of like everyone gets a copy of it and you just pass it on to the next one.  But I don't want this stuff.  I am getting tired of this particular person sending me stuff that I consider junk.  How do I stop it?  I use Mozilla for my email and I don't have a block sender option that I can see.  Is there another term for the same thing that Mozilla uses?  TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 11, 2007, 09:43:38 PM
Marlee  I probably am a little moody, but not at anyone here :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Robots,

I'm sure you're right about that.


yes,

i could be right  8)

nervous,excited, skeeeeeeeeeered a litttle,  


makes for a edgy human


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Okay, dumb computer questions from me, please don't laugh.   My email keeps sending me this stuff that must be in someone's email.  Kind of like everyone gets a copy of it and you just pass it on to the next one.  But I don't want this stuff.  I am getting tired of this particular person sending me stuff that I consider junk.  How do I stop it?  I use Mozilla for my email and I don't have a block sender option that I can see.  Is there another term for the same thing that Mozilla uses?  TIA

Email the person and tell them to stop :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:45:49 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "robots"
well,, i can see the humans are thinking they are smarter than the robots tonight  8)  :twisted:

robots ages changes according to the day of the week and we get younger and older ALSO when are INTERNAL ROBITIC parts are changed out


we get new parts put in us and we get younger,
silly humans  8)


Uh,  where do we humans get these parts, if you don't mind sharing.  :wink:


Better ask San about the new parts, if ya know what I mean(the uh hum bazookas).


hehehehee.. she had some IMPLANT  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 09:45:57 PM
Quote from: "Marlee"
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
anybody else out there go through trying times with their kid a month before they left for college?

  You know,  making stupid decisions, being moody?


Ms.DV---I haven't seen my son since May 4 and that is exactly what I am doing.


Mrs. D

You should have asked if anyone Has NOT go thru it.. and I hate to say it ... but it may get worse once there...  
It is like your phone # only works when something is needed / wanted. :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:47:22 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Okay, dumb computer questions from me, please don't laugh.   My email keeps sending me this stuff that must be in someone's email.  Kind of like everyone gets a copy of it and you just pass it on to the next one.  But I don't want this stuff.  I am getting tired of this particular person sending me stuff that I consider junk.  How do I stop it?  I use Mozilla for my email and I don't have a block sender option that I can see.  Is there another term for the same thing that Mozilla uses?  TIA


the "PERSON"   might not be a PERSON

perhaps the PERSON is a "BOT"

maybe ??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Okay, dumb computer questions from me, please don't laugh.   My email keeps sending me this stuff that must be in someone's email.  Kind of like everyone gets a copy of it and you just pass it on to the next one.  But I don't want this stuff.  I am getting tired of this particular person sending me stuff that I consider junk.  How do I stop it?  I use Mozilla for my email and I don't have a block sender option that I can see.  Is there another term for the same thing that Mozilla uses?  TIA


Lalas, does it have a junk mail feature?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 09:47:57 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Okay, dumb computer questions from me, please don't laugh.   My email keeps sending me this stuff that must be in someone's email.  Kind of like everyone gets a copy of it and you just pass it on to the next one.  But I don't want this stuff.  I am getting tired of this particular person sending me stuff that I consider junk.  How do I stop it?  I use Mozilla for my email and I don't have a block sender option that I can see.  Is there another term for the same thing that Mozilla uses?  TIA


Can you mark it as SPAM?  That might work.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:48:19 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Marlee"
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
anybody else out there go through trying times with their kid a month before they left for college?

  You know,  making stupid decisions, being moody?


Ms.DV---I haven't seen my son since May 4 and that is exactly what I am doing.


Mrs. D

You should have asked if anyone Has NOT go thru it.. and I hate to say it ... but it may get worse once there...  
It is like your phone # only works when something is needed / wanted. :cry:




 :shock:  8)  8)  8)  8)

yep


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 09:48:23 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
anybody else out there go through trying times with their kid a month before they left for college?

  You know,  making stupid decisions, being moody?


I was fine with my son, he was pretty close to home, when my daughter left for college 6 states away, I was OK, but not great until she left.  I then cried for 2 weeks.  I do understand how hard it is.  But then you get boomerang babies, they keep moving back home! (saving for more degrees!)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 09:48:39 PM
Hi Monkeys.  What's new?  I spent the morning reformatting hard drive and reloading XP.  Computer works great now.  You know those emails going around that say you have an ecard from a relative?  Well, take it from me, do not click on the link!!  I should have known better, and I did but that was right after I clicked on it.  Well, I'm up and running now, better than ever!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 09:48:45 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Okay, dumb computer questions from me, please don't laugh.   My email keeps sending me this stuff that must be in someone's email.  Kind of like everyone gets a copy of it and you just pass it on to the next one.  But I don't want this stuff.  I am getting tired of this particular person sending me stuff that I consider junk.  How do I stop it?  I use Mozilla for my email and I don't have a block sender option that I can see.  Is there another term for the same thing that Mozilla uses?  TIA

Email the person and tell them to stop :lol:


And then there's the direct approach  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 11, 2007, 09:49:22 PM
OldFart

Thats the thing thats going to kill me.  Once he arrives there on Aug 15 he cannot have any contact with us, even emails until the end of September, unless its an emergency, then they can arrange for a call home.  Its part of the regiment which is a bit like basic training but more coast guard based.  He'll be so busy with football and the regiment that he wont have time to miss us!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 09:49:56 PM
My daughter never wanted to go away to school.  She would have been happy living at home forever.  She was a bit testy right before she left though.  She kept telling everyone that we were throwing her out of the house.  Still comes home almost every weekend.  She hated the dorm. She hated her last apartment.  She got a cat and now she is happier.  Calls me at least once a day, sometimes 3 or 4 times.  One thing I did notice was she was scared about all the new stuff, now that she's made new friends and is working on campus she is doing much, much better.  I found the key was never let her think I was concerned or worried or downright petrified that my baby was out there in big, big world all alone without her mother.  I have had many sleepless nights over it, but she is turning into a very fine woman and I am so proud of her.  Your son will get in the groove and before you know it you will wonder where that wonderful gentleman came from.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 09:50:01 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Marlee"
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
anybody else out there go through trying times with their kid a month before they left for college?

  You know,  making stupid decisions, being moody?


Ms.DV---I haven't seen my son since May 4 and that is exactly what I am doing.


Mrs. D

You should have asked if anyone Has NOT go thru it.. and I hate to say it ... but it may get worse once there...  
It is like your phone # only works when something is needed / wanted. :cry:


........yes and as we know often happens, the freedom goes to the head sometimes once away, so maybe it is good in a way to be acting like a teen sometimes will, then when he goes away maybe he'll be ready to settle down and study? ....at least more than if he hadn't gotten it outta his system,.........ah forget it that doesn't even sound plausible to me now that I wrote it  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 09:50:22 PM
AZSunny, I have a boomerang baby right now living with me while she finishes her last year of college at ASU-West.  Yup, I was sad when she left, but she came home.  I was worried the whole time she was gone!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:50:24 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
OldFart

Thats the thing thats going to kill me.  Once he arrives there on Aug 15 he cannot have any contact with us, even emails until the end of September, unless its an emergency, then they can arrange for a call home.  Its part of the regiment which is a bit like basic training but more coast guard based.  He'll be so busy with football and the regiment that he wont have time to miss us!


of course he will miss you

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 09:51:24 PM
Robots
In case you want to leave the video game I found a link
Im not going to hot link it  (against their rules) or photo bucket it...for you
You will just have to look around a bit...
but you might want to start on this page for a more human form of a robot
(not saying I do not like your Raptor look) that can do certain hand movements.
http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/animated-gifs-27.html
JMO of course


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 09:51:51 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "robots"
well,, i can see the humans are thinking they are smarter than the robots tonight  8)  :twisted:

robots ages changes according to the day of the week and we get younger and older ALSO when are INTERNAL ROBITIC parts are changed out


we get new parts put in us and we get younger,
silly humans  8)


Uh,  where do we humans get these parts, if you don't mind sharing.  :wink:


Better ask San about the new parts, if ya know what I mean(the uh hum bazookas).


Yep, know what you mean, and I already have the  bazookas..still there, just aim lower. :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 09:52:04 PM
MsDarthVada

 :smt056


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:52:14 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Robots
In case you want to leave the video game I found a link
Im not going to hot link it  (against their rules) or photo bucket it...for you
You will just have to look around a bit...
but you might want to start on this page for a more human form of a robot
(not saying I do not like your Raptor look) that can do certain hand movements.
http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/animated-gifs-27.html
JMO of course


Thank you OF

very kind

will check it out

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 09:52:49 PM
LOL AZ you funny Monkey!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
OldFart

Thats the thing thats going to kill me.  Once he arrives there on Aug 15 he cannot have any contact with us, even emails until the end of September, unless its an emergency, then they can arrange for a call home.  Its part of the regiment which is a bit like basic training but more coast guard based.  He'll be so busy with football and the regiment that he wont have time to miss us!


I think our sweet Nonesy would be a very good person to ask about this.  Her son is several states away from her.  She has done a remarkable job handling it all and her son is a very fine young man.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 11, 2007, 09:53:14 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
anybody else out there go through trying times with their kid a month before they left for college?

  You know,  making stupid decisions, being moody?

Catching up here ~ oh, yes...it's called distancing himself...it'll easier for *him* to say goodbye when heading for college.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 11, 2007, 09:53:23 PM
[quote="bleachedblack
........yes and as we know often happens, the freedom goes to the head sometimes once away, so maybe it is good in a way to be acting like a teen sometimes will, then when he goes away maybe he'll be ready to settle down and study? ....at least more than if he hadn't gotten it outta his system,.........ah forget it that doesn't even sound plausible to me now that I wrote it  :evil:[/quote]


BB,  that does sound very plausible, so Im not going to forget it.  I'm hoping this is all that is going on with him.  One last goof off summer for him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 09:53:34 PM
Hi YA Monkeys...metro cruising through on a random Wednesday evening...been on the road for 7 weeks now and thought I should check in....

How is everybody?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 09:54:24 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
OldFart

Thats the thing thats going to kill me.  Once he arrives there on Aug 15 he cannot have any contact with us, even emails until the end of September, unless its an emergency, then they can arrange for a call home.  Its part of the regiment which is a bit like basic training but more coast guard based.  He'll be so busy with football and the regiment that he wont have time to miss us!


Coast guard academy?  Sent my brother, and then his son off to Annapolis, so I understand that regime.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 09:54:47 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
LOL AZ you funny Monkey!


No kidding!!  I worried myself to death while she was out partying and playing.  When she finally got serious about school, she came to me and said she needed to move home if she was ever going to graduate.  Told me she needed me to make her toe the line!  Right, Sarge!  So, she moved in and is doing fine now.  I only beat her once or twice a day and she goes to all her classes!!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 09:54:53 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Hi YA Monkeys...metro cruising through on a random Wednesday evening...been on the road for 7 weeks now and thought I should check in....

How is everybody?


great Metro...How's that quitting smoking going? I just started Chantix a week and a half ago...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 09:55:11 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Okay, dumb computer questions from me, please don't laugh.   My email keeps sending me this stuff that must be in someone's email.  Kind of like everyone gets a copy of it and you just pass it on to the next one.  But I don't want this stuff.  I am getting tired of this particular person sending me stuff that I consider junk.  How do I stop it?  I use Mozilla for my email and I don't have a block sender option that I can see.  Is there another term for the same thing that Mozilla uses?  TIA

Email the person and tell them to stop :lol:


And then there's the direct approach  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Good heavens! I didn't even recognize you , Mishy!  LOL

I don't know who this person is?  I tried to reply to the email and it won't deliver it, but it sure knows how to find my email. :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 09:55:46 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
OldFart

Thats the thing thats going to kill me.  Once he arrives there on Aug 15 he cannot have any contact with us, even emails until the end of September, unless its an emergency, then they can arrange for a call home.  Its part of the regiment which is a bit like basic training but more coast guard based.  He'll be so busy with football and the regiment that he wont have time to miss us!


I think our sweet Nonesy would be a very good person to ask about this.  Her son is several states away from her.  She has done a remarkable job handling it all and her son is a very fine young man.

*******************
Ahhh but he is in God's Country at the finest University in the South!! Yeah...I am prejudiced....it's my alma mater :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 11, 2007, 09:56:32 PM
Lala's  & Tcumom

 Thanks for sharing your experiences,  It does make me feel better knowing that my assumptions on the situation are most likely what is happening.  

Im still gonna be a wreck  **oops,  howbout basketcase***


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: sb on July 11, 2007, 09:56:42 PM
Good to see you Atlmetro! Not much happening right now. Everyone is still kind of in a wait-n-see mode about new investigations and about what all the bashing coming from Aruba might mean. It seems like lately we are making them mad at us more and more.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 09:56:46 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
OldFart

Thats the thing thats going to kill me.  Once he arrives there on Aug 15 he cannot have any contact with us, even emails until the end of September, unless its an emergency, then they can arrange for a call home.  Its part of the regiment which is a bit like basic training but more coast guard based.  He'll be so busy with football and the regiment that he wont have time to miss us!


Sorry Ms. D.
But make sure you write & send letters to let him know what is going on.
If they return vs hold them... fine.. but that way ... oh shucks you know what I  mean..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 09:57:16 PM
Hi Metro.  Welcome home after your 7 week trip.  Not much has changed here, except a few avatars--but that's just our appearance.  We're still the same lovin' monkeys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:57:25 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Okay, dumb computer questions from me, please don't laugh.   My email keeps sending me this stuff that must be in someone's email.  Kind of like everyone gets a copy of it and you just pass it on to the next one.  But I don't want this stuff.  I am getting tired of this particular person sending me stuff that I consider junk.  How do I stop it?  I use Mozilla for my email and I don't have a block sender option that I can see.  Is there another term for the same thing that Mozilla uses?  TIA

Email the person and tell them to stop :lol:


And then there's the direct approach  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Good heavens! I didn't even recognize you , Mishy!  LOL

I don't know who this person is?  I tried to reply to the email and it won't deliver it, but it sure knows how to find my email. :roll:


it is a BOT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 09:57:28 PM
I'm having a hard time recognizing almost everyone in this cage lately, so I thought I'd quit shaking my badonk for a little while  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 09:58:09 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Hi Metro.  Welcome home after your 7 week trip.  Not much has changed here, except a few avatars--but that's just our appearance.  We're still the same lovin' monkeys.


some with PLASTIC SURGERY to enhance themselves  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 09:58:14 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
OldFart

Thats the thing thats going to kill me.  Once he arrives there on Aug 15 he cannot have any contact with us, even emails until the end of September, unless its an emergency, then they can arrange for a call home.  Its part of the regiment which is a bit like basic training but more coast guard based.  He'll be so busy with football and the regiment that he wont have time to miss us!


I think our sweet Nonesy would be a very good person to ask about this.  Her son is several states away from her.  She has done a remarkable job handling it all and her son is a very fine young man.

*******************
Ahhh but he is in God's Country at the finest University in the South!! Yeah...I am prejudiced....it's my alma mater :)


 :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 09:58:28 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Hi YA Monkeys...metro cruising through on a random Wednesday evening...been on the road for 7 weeks now and thought I should check in....

How is everybody?


great Metro...How's that quitting smoking going? I just started Chantix a week and a half ago...

***************
Hey Mishy....going well...5 months now and no smokes!! Actually lost all desire to smoke. Did you doc tell you about the side affects? Sleeping longer and having weird dreams? There is also increased appetite and a really weird one I cannot discuss here...

Congratulations!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 09:59:11 PM
What's a BOT??? How do I get rid of it??  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 09:59:12 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
I'm having a hard time recognizing almost everyone in this cage lately, so I thought I'd quit shaking my badonk for a little while  :wink:


Mishy, you're looking quite ethereal and other-worldly.  Beautiful avatar.  Maybe you can make it shake.   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 09:59:57 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
AZSunny, I have a boomerang baby right now living with me while she finishes her last year of college at ASU-West.  Yup, I was sad when she left, but she came home.  I was worried the whole time she was gone!   :lol:


I know, and then after they have had 3 years or 4 years of freedom, they come home and they are adults and you are still worrying like they are 14 on their first date!  ie: what do you mean you are staying at "Ron's" tonight?  you are only 22...yea right, that works.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: snoopy on July 11, 2007, 10:00:05 PM
Hi Everybody!!

Ms.DV

He'll be ok.  I'd bet he's scared to death.  He knows he has to grow up now.  And he's trying to prove to you, himself, and everybody else that he can do what he wants when he wants to.  Trying to be all growed up, and really doesn't have a clue.  Don't worry.  Will he be far away from home?

When our daughter went away to finish her degree, I thought I would be a wreck (sorry wreck, lol) but everything went fine.  Of course she is only a little over an hour away.  Girls are different though.  She called all the time to check in, and was always on IM.  Boys prolly won't call so much.  

Our son is 17 and I can tell the difference between them already.  Boys are more independant. They think they don't need their mommies, but they do.

Give him lots of hugs whether he acts like he likes it or not.

Our daughter will be graduating in Dec, and getting married in March.  AND today she informs us that she is going to sign up for classes for the spring 2008 semester to go ahead and get her Masters!  :shock:  :shock:
I said "honey the bank is right down the road.....good luck with that cause this bank is broke  :lol:  :lol:

Really......don't worry about your boy.  You'll both be fine, and we'll be here for your bad days.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 10:00:31 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Good to see you Atlmetro! Not much happening right now. Everyone is still kind of in a wait-n-see mode about new investigations and about what all the bashing coming from Aruba might mean. It seems like lately we are making them mad at us more and more.

*****************
Thanks SB...kinda the same old same old huh? Those folks never learn do they? It is such a different mindset down there as well as other parts of central/south/latin america. I have done business there for years and it is different.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 11, 2007, 10:00:51 PM
Evening monkeys.

Metro - good to see you and congrats on not smoking for so long.

Mishy - good luck with your stop smoking program. Oh, and your new look is loverly.  :wink:

Lala's - are you calling my emails to you junk?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: justinsmama on July 11, 2007, 10:01:02 PM
Hey, everyone! I found a pic of Refro on the beach in Aruba. Anyone care to see it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 10:01:59 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Hi YA Monkeys...metro cruising through on a random Wednesday evening...been on the road for 7 weeks now and thought I should check in....

How is everybody?


Hi Metro - 7 weeks, ugh.  Are you home now or still on the road?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 10:02:00 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Hi YA Monkeys...metro cruising through on a random Wednesday evening...been on the road for 7 weeks now and thought I should check in....

How is everybody?


great Metro...How's that quitting smoking going? I just started Chantix a week and a half ago...

***************
Hey Mishy....going well...5 months now and no smokes!! Actually lost all desire to smoke. Did you doc tell you about the side affects? Sleeping longer and having weird dreams? There is also increased appetite and a really weird one I cannot discuss here...

Congratulations!!


Well, I'm still smoking, but hoping that it'll make me not want one soon. Five months!!! Congratulations, that is terrific!!! I have some sleep disruption and the dreams aren't that weird, but I've been nauseated since I started taking it...I take it on a full stomach, but I'm still pretty nauseated off and on all day...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 10:02:11 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Hey, everyone! I found a pic of Refro on the beach in Aruba. Anyone care to see it?


Sure Justins.  Post away.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 10:02:17 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Hey, everyone! I found a pic of Refro on the beach in Aruba. Anyone care to see it?


Sure I'm game


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 10:02:17 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Hi Metro.  Welcome home after your 7 week trip.  Not much has changed here, except a few avatars--but that's just our appearance.  We're still the same lovin' monkeys.

**********************
Hi AZ..not home yet...lol...in lovely N.J. tonight!! Surprisingly humid here...home tomorrow though..until Sunday then back at it!! Cali and then NJ again..maybe China after that...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 10:03:20 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "mishy"
I'm having a hard time recognizing almost everyone in this cage lately, so I thought I'd quit shaking my badonk for a little while  :wink:


Mishy, you're looking quite ethereal and other-worldly.  Beautiful avatar.  Maybe you can make it shake.   :wink:


Thanks, I like it too. Maybe CBB can jazz it up?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 10:03:37 PM
Hey Metro
You will have to read back to ??? thread and see how bad of Monkeys we can be..
Klaasend ... in Vegas...
CBB doing a make over on San to SuperSan...

Still wish you knew of a legal way to obtain certain phone info.   :lol:
Congrats on being smoke free... You are investing the extra $ is a good stock (or is that Scotch)  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: sb on July 11, 2007, 10:03:37 PM
Everyone keeps changing avatars! snoopy now looks just like an old poster from WAY back named Zazzu. For some reason I remember that pic...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 11, 2007, 10:03:44 PM
Snoopy

Thanks for the support and encouragement too.

He'll be a little over 4 hours away, Still in the same state.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 10:03:46 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Hi YA Monkeys...metro cruising through on a random Wednesday evening...been on the road for 7 weeks now and thought I should check in....

How is everybody?


great Metro...How's that quitting smoking going? I just started Chantix a week and a half ago...

***************
Hey Mishy....going well...5 months now and no smokes!! Actually lost all desire to smoke. Did you doc tell you about the side affects? Sleeping longer and having weird dreams? There is also increased appetite and a really weird one I cannot discuss here...

Congratulations!!


Um,  I am a woman, so not sure what you may be referring to,  :oops: ,
but you do get weird dreams, and increased appetite, and some digestive problems.  I gained 5 pounds in 3 weeks, and my Doc, said, lets let your tummy settle down a bit before you restart.  So, I started smoking again.  Habit, not need. damn...start over.  I wanted to email you and ask some questions, but you were no where to be found!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 10:03:47 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Hi YA Monkeys...metro cruising through on a random Wednesday evening...been on the road for 7 weeks now and thought I should check in....

How is everybody?


great Metro...How's that quitting smoking going? I just started Chantix a week and a half ago...

***************
Hey Mishy....going well...5 months now and no smokes!! Actually lost all desire to smoke. Did you doc tell you about the side affects? Sleeping longer and having weird dreams? There is also increased appetite and a really weird one I cannot discuss here...

Congratulations!!


Well, I'm still smoking, but hoping that it'll make me not want one soon. Five months!!! Congratulations, that is terrific!!! I have some sleep disruption and the dreams aren't that weird, but I've been nauseated since I started taking it...I take it on a full stomach, but I'm still pretty nauseated off and on all day...

*********************
I had something similar..it then changes to increased appetite...stay strong on that and when you feel hungry..drink water or you'll gain an extra 10 pounds like I did!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: justinsmama on July 11, 2007, 10:04:10 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Hi YA Monkeys...metro cruising through on a random Wednesday evening...been on the road for 7 weeks now and thought I should check in....

How is everybody?


great Metro...How's that quitting smoking going? I just started Chantix a week and a half ago...

***************
Hey Mishy....going well...5 months now and no smokes!! Actually lost all desire to smoke. Did you doc tell you about the side affects? Sleeping longer and having weird dreams? There is also increased appetite and a really weird one I cannot discuss here...

Congratulations!!


Hehe! And CONGRATS!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 10:05:13 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Hi YA Monkeys...metro cruising through on a random Wednesday evening...been on the road for 7 weeks now and thought I should check in....

How is everybody?


great Metro...How's that quitting smoking going? I just started Chantix a week and a half ago...

***************
Hey Mishy....going well...5 months now and no smokes!! Actually lost all desire to smoke. Did you doc tell you about the side affects? Sleeping longer and having weird dreams? There is also increased appetite and a really weird one I cannot discuss here...

Congratulations!!


Well, I'm still smoking, but hoping that it'll make me not want one soon. Five months!!! Congratulations, that is terrific!!! I have some sleep disruption and the dreams aren't that weird, but I've been nauseated since I started taking it...I take it on a full stomach, but I'm still pretty nauseated off and on all day...


I had that too Mishy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 10:05:24 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Hey Metro
You will have to read back to ??? thread and see how bad of Monkeys we can be..
Klaasend ... in Vegas...
CBB doing a make over on San to SuperSan...

Still wish you knew of a legal way to obtain certain phone info.   :lol:
Congrats on being smoke free... You are investing the extra $ is a good stock (or is that Scotch)  :wink:

****************
Hmmm...investments...scotch or stocks...thats a tough call I love both...lol...

Klaas in Vegas? Thats a story we all need to hear I think!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 10:06:23 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What's a BOT??? How do I get rid of it??  :shock:  :shock:


They are automated little nasty internet spiders that go around the web gathering information.

Don't ask me what a spider is :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 11, 2007, 10:06:59 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Hey, everyone! I found a pic of Refro on the beach in Aruba. Anyone care to see it?



Is it going to make us spew our dinner?

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 10:07:01 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What's a BOT??? How do I get rid of it??  :shock:  :shock:


they harvest EMAIL addresses


and cause headaches for you HUMANS

and for robots also


can you not accept mail from this PERSON

BLOCK THEM ????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: justinsmama on July 11, 2007, 10:07:05 PM
(http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/rha/lowres/rhan708l.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 10:07:31 PM
Thanks AtlMetro...I hope it subsides soon. I do need to drink more water, too. I just hope I don't have to quit taking it like AZSunny did...I really want to quit smoking...I'm so proud of you!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 10:07:35 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Hi YA Monkeys...metro cruising through on a random Wednesday evening...been on the road for 7 weeks now and thought I should check in....

How is everybody?


great Metro...How's that quitting smoking going? I just started Chantix a week and a half ago...

***************
Hey Mishy....going well...5 months now and no smokes!! Actually lost all desire to smoke. Did you doc tell you about the side affects? Sleeping longer and having weird dreams? There is also increased appetite and a really weird one I cannot discuss here...

Congratulations!!


Um,  I am a woman, so not sure what you may be referring to,  :oops: ,
but you do get weird dreams, and increased appetite, and some digestive problems.  I gained 5 pounds in 3 weeks, and my Doc, said, lets let your tummy settle down a bit before you restart.  So, I started smoking again.  Habit, not need. damn...start over.  I wanted to email you and ask some questions, but you were no where to be found!!

*************
My sisters say the same thing about not being found :) Actually e-mail me at atlmetroguy@yahoo.com I usually check that a few times a week.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 10:08:05 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Hey Metro
You will have to read back to ??? thread and see how bad of Monkeys we can be..
Klaasend ... in Vegas...
CBB doing a make over on San to SuperSan...

Still wish you knew of a legal way to obtain certain phone info.   :lol:
Congrats on being smoke free... You are investing the extra $ is a good stock (or is that Scotch)  :wink:

****************
Hmmm...investments...scotch or stocks...thats a tough call I love both...lol...

Klaas in Vegas? Thats a story we all need to hear I think!!


Las Vegas = Lost Wages, lolol  :lol:

Did have a great time visiting with my son and DIL that came out to meet us.  It was my son's birthday.   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 10:08:14 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What's a BOT??? How do I get rid of it??  :shock:  :shock:


They are automated little nasty internet spiders that go around the web gathering information.

Don't ask me what a spider is :lol:


http://www.answers.com/topic/internet-bot


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 10:08:20 PM
LOL very cute Justins .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 10:08:58 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Hey, everyone! I found a pic of Refro on the beach in Aruba. Anyone care to see it?


will it make me PUKE ??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 10:09:07 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Evening monkeys.

Metro - good to see you and congrats on not smoking for so long.

Mishy - good luck with your stop smoking program. Oh, and your new look is loverly.  :wink:

Lala's - are you calling my emails to you junk?  :lol:


Me?  Never junk from you. LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2007, 10:09:45 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Lala's  & Tcumom

 Thanks for sharing your experiences,  It does make me feel better knowing that my assumptions on the situation are most likely what is happening.  

Im still gonna be a wreck  **oops,  howbout basketcase***


 :smt102


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: justinsmama on July 11, 2007, 10:09:46 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Hey, everyone! I found a pic of Refro on the beach in Aruba. Anyone care to see it?


will it make me PUKE ??


It's Renfro. Whaddathink? Silly robots.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 11, 2007, 10:10:01 PM
Well,  I'm off to bed.  

Thanks everyone for your support tonight,  I needed it and the laughs.

nite


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 10:10:06 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Lala's  & Tcumom

 Thanks for sharing your experiences,  It does make me feel better knowing that my assumptions on the situation are most likely what is happening.  

Im still gonna be a wreck  **oops,  howbout basketcase***


 :smt102




 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 11, 2007, 10:10:08 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Hey, everyone! I found a pic of Refro on the beach in Aruba. Anyone care to see it?


will it make me PUKE ??


What comes out when robots do that?  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 10:10:31 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Hey, everyone! I found a pic of Refro on the beach in Aruba. Anyone care to see it?


will it make me PUKE ??


What comes out when robots do that?  :shock:


metal shavings


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Thanks AtlMetro...I hope it subsides soon. I do need to drink more water, too. I just hope I don't have to quit taking it like AZSunny did...I really want to quit smoking...I'm so proud of you!!!!

********************
Thanks Mishy...hang in there..just start substituting behaviors..meaning when you want to smoke..drink water or chew sugar free gum. Or get up and walk around or get in the car and do your shopping..anything to change your mindset.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 10:11:31 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What's a BOT??? How do I get rid of it??  :shock:  :shock:


They are automated little nasty internet spiders that go around the web gathering information.

Don't ask me what a spider is :lol:


http://www.answers.com/topic/internet-bot


No wonder I am pissed about it...I have a very severe spider phobia.   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: justinsmama on July 11, 2007, 10:11:32 PM
I've had to postpone my own, scheduled nervous breakdown. Several other family members are taking theirs right now, and someone has to remain rational.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 11, 2007, 10:12:40 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What's a BOT??? How do I get rid of it??  :shock:  :shock:


They are automated little nasty internet spiders that go around the web gathering information.

Don't ask me what a spider is :lol:


http://www.answers.com/topic/internet-bot


No wonder I am pissed about it...I have a very severe spider phobia.   :lol:


Me too, Lala's! I knew you were my twin.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 10:12:51 PM
Chantix
Does a good job... does have some side effects...
but WE still have to have the mental attitude to STOP.!!

I cut in 1/2 ...which was big for me .. even with feeling sick at times...
Had to start some other meds  and  it was just too weird all of the time.
Dropped the Chantix.. but plan on getting the mind right and hitting it again.

JMO of course


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 10:13:16 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Hey Metro
You will have to read back to ??? thread and see how bad of Monkeys we can be..
Klaasend ... in Vegas...
CBB doing a make over on San to SuperSan...

Still wish you knew of a legal way to obtain certain phone info.   :lol:
Congrats on being smoke free... You are investing the extra $ is a good stock (or is that Scotch)  :wink:

****************
Hmmm...investments...scotch or stocks...thats a tough call I love both...lol...

Klaas in Vegas? Thats a story we all need to hear I think!!


Las Vegas = Lost Wages, lolol  :lol:

Did have a great time visiting with my son and DIL that came out to meet us.  It was my son's birthday.   :D

******************
Hell yeah!! Lost Wages!! Gawd knows I have made my contributions!! Glad you had a good time!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 10:13:31 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
I've had to postpone my own, scheduled nervous breakdown. Several other family members are taking theirs right now, and someone has to remain rational.


I didn't know you could schedule those things...that's way cool.  Hi there!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 10:13:35 PM
MISHY

 Alot of our customers are using these QUEST ciggys to help them kick the habit.  THey have been successful with it as well. I dont know if you have heard of them or not?

http://www.questcigs.com/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 11, 2007, 10:14:17 PM
Y'all - I used to teach a stop smoking program for a big hospital.

Sometime tomorrow I will put a list of stop smoking tips in the lounge for anyone who is interested in them. They always seemed to help our patients a lot.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Everyone keeps changing avatars! snoopy now looks just like an old poster from WAY back named Zazzu. For some reason I remember that pic...


Thanks SB
I knew that Avi   put could not put a name to it...

Mishy's reminds me of... Umm ahh always told us of the great sounding meals they we planning..... Ummm Mermaid... FlyingMermaid

But I do miss Mishy's little swing  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 10:17:12 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Chantix
Does a good job... does have some side effects...
but WE still have to have the mental attitude to STOP.!!

I cut in 1/2 ...which was big for me .. even with feeling sick at times...
Had to start some other meds  and  it was just too weird all of the time.
Dropped the Chantix.. but plan on getting the mind right and hitting it again.

JMO of course


Well let me know when you are ready, and we can do it together...well 10 states apart!  I was down to 3 cigs a day...but, unfortunately, I had the wonderful tostito chips that are bite size.  Did you know you can eat a bag a day of those things?  Hum, maybe that was my tummy problem.  what ever, I want to try again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 10:20:57 PM
I just checked sitemeter and it has me as being in Peoria, AZ and AZSunny in Gilbert.  I'm actually in Phoenix.  AZSunny, you aren't in Gilbert, are you?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 10:21:46 PM
sorry, if everyone got scared away.  I won't talk anymore about cigs, bazookas, or tostitos.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 11, 2007, 10:21:46 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Y'all - I used to teach a stop smoking program for a big hospital.

Sometime tomorrow I will put a list of stop smoking tips in the lounge for anyone who is interested in them. They always seemed to help our patients a lot.

please do. I am warming up for another try, but I need to go to the
doctor again. want to check out what is new and useful in the patch aisle also. the only thing lately is when I am around the newish baby, I don't even think of smoking. I didn't even realize it until my daughter said something ..... long time, no smoking ?? odd and i think i might go with that one....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 10:21:48 PM
I'm wondering now where sitemeter gets its locations.  Interesting.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 10:23:00 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
I just checked sitemeter and it has me as being in Peoria, AZ and AZSunny in Gilbert.  I'm actually in Phoenix.  AZSunny, you aren't in Gilbert, are you?


No I am in Mesa.  I have cox though and thought that was me in Peoria as that is where they are located.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 10:23:43 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
I just checked sitemeter and it has me as being in Peoria, AZ and AZSunny in Gilbert.  I'm actually in Phoenix.  AZSunny, you aren't in Gilbert, are you?


main HUB where the ISP is located, maybe

count your blessings
 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 11, 2007, 10:23:52 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
I'm wondering now where sitemeter gets its locations.  Interesting.


My location seems to float around. Sometimes the only place I can find near to me when I am on is someplace like Knoxville. I'm not sure I've ever seen it say Chattanooga, but I don't look that often.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Frijole on July 11, 2007, 10:24:25 PM
Hi monks!  Just wanted to come out of lurkdom to say that I just celebrated (last week) one year of NOT smoking after 30 yrs of smoking.  If I can do it you can too!  I bought myself a funky/fun diamond ring.  It's better than a smoke ring!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 10:24:31 PM
That's weird, cuz the Gilbert person is QWest.  I have Cox, too, and am in NW Phoenix, so I thought that was me in Peoria.  I dont' know.  I don't know enough about sitemeter to tell which one is me, anyway.  Just thought it was funny as you and I are usually the only Arizonans here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 11, 2007, 10:25:02 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Hi monks!  Just wanted to come out of lurkdom to say that I just celebrated (last week) one year of NOT smoking after 30 yrs of smoking.  If I can do it you can too!  I bought myself a funky/fun diamond ring.  It's better than a smoke ring!   :lol:


Congrats Beans! You're a star!!!!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 10:25:29 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
sorry, if everyone got scared away.  I won't talk anymore about cigs, bazookas, or tostitos.


I am still here, just screaming at my email again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 10:26:02 PM
Hooray, Frijole!  Congrats and keep it up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 10:26:29 PM
I am trying to make a new AVI ..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 10:26:37 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
I'm wondering now where sitemeter gets its locations.  Interesting.


My location is not even in the right county. LOL  I know which one I am, but it thinks I am about 50 miles away.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 10:26:52 PM
I see by the world map via the site meter that we have a viewer on from Thailand?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 10:26:54 PM
AZSunny, we might have a silent Arizonan here who has yet to be identified.  Come out, come out, wherever you are!!!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 10:26:54 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
That's weird, cuz the Gilbert person is QWest.  I have Cox, too, and am in NW Phoenix, so I thought that was me in Peoria.  I dont' know.  I don't know enough about sitemeter to tell which one is me, anyway.  Just thought it was funny as you and I are usually the only Arizonans here.

The site meter will show people lurking in the forum and the front page of SM so there could be someone from AZ that lurks and has never posted.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: justinsmama on July 11, 2007, 10:27:01 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Hi monks!  Just wanted to come out of lurkdom to say that I just celebrated (last week) one year of NOT smoking after 30 yrs of smoking.  If I can do it you can too!  I bought myself a funky/fun diamond ring.  It's better than a smoke ring!   :lol:


WHOOHOO!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 11, 2007, 10:27:20 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..


What kind?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 10:27:38 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..


I kind of like your whip lady!  It shows a different side of you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 10:27:52 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Hi monks!  Just wanted to come out of lurkdom to say that I just celebrated (last week) one year of NOT smoking after 30 yrs of smoking.  If I can do it you can too!  I bought myself a funky/fun diamond ring.  It's better than a smoke ring!   :lol:


Congratulations!  I remember when you first tried to quit.  You have done well, my friend.  I am proud of you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: justinsmama on July 11, 2007, 10:27:56 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I see by the world map via the site meter that we have a viewer on from Thailand?


Hope it's not that perv... whathisname?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 10:28:06 PM
Angie, I rather like your dominatrix avi.  It makes me chuckle when I see it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 10:28:09 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..


I like your whipping avatar Angie. Are you unhappy with the limp whip?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 10:28:49 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I see by the world map via the site meter that we have a viewer on from Thailand?

They are viewing this:

42 Year Old Sex Offender from Thailand person of interest Held in Missing Zina Linnik Case


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 10:28:51 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I see by the world map via the site meter that we have a viewer on from Thailand?


Hope it's not that perv... whathisname?


Just what I was thinking MARTEN.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 10:29:06 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I see by the world map via the site meter that we have a viewer on from Thailand?


I saw that earlier!! :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 10:29:33 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I see by the world map via the site meter that we have a viewer on from Thailand?


Hope it's not that perv... whathisname?


Just what I was thinking MARTEN.


Yeah, that's his name.  The perv, himself.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 11, 2007, 10:30:39 PM
I love the two little BT faces in my new avi. I think I might keep this one around for a while. Those little puggy faces are so cute!!  :smt054


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Frijole on July 11, 2007, 10:31:12 PM
Thanks all - I'm proud of Metro too cuz it is hard to quit when travelling as you are alone, sometimes lonely and my cigs were my "friends" when I was at a restaurant by myself - gave me something to do.  Awful but true.

To be honest - it wasn't easy, but it was WAY easier then I thought.  Should have done it forever ago.  So good luck to all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 10:31:13 PM
I'll never forget looking at pics of his place and seeing the TV tuned to the news about Natalee.  [shiver]  weird, just plain weird.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: justinsmama on July 11, 2007, 10:31:37 PM
Sorry to pop in for such a short time. It's getting late and have loads to do over the next several days (help bro get his wife committed and 2 funerals  :cry: ).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 10:31:51 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I see by the world map via the site meter that we have a viewer on from Thailand?

They are viewing this:

42 Year Old Sex Offender from Thailand person of interest Held in Missing Zina Linnik Case


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 10:32:36 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I see by the world map via the site meter that we have a viewer on from Thailand?

They are viewing this:

42 Year Old Sex Offender from Thailand person of interest Held in Missing Zina Linnik Case


I read that article. Level 1 Sex Offender from Thailand, found with a girls underwear in his apartment claims he was helping someone move?  I thought the pervs traveled to Thailand, WTH now they are traveling here? We have enough already!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 10:32:49 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Sorry to pop in for such a short time. It's getting late and have loads to do over the next several days (help bro get his wife committed and 2 funerals  :cry: ).


Justin's, I'm so sorry.  Remember, schedule your nervous breakdown a good six months ahead and they can't tell you no.  True--that's the rule.  Take care now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 10:32:54 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I love the two little BT faces in my new avi. I think I might keep this one around for a while. Those little puggy faces are so cute!!  :smt054


BT they really are cute, but when I glance quickly I think they are a cow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Frijole on July 11, 2007, 10:33:15 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I see by the world map via the site meter that we have a viewer on from Thailand?


Hope it's not that perv... whathisname?


Just what I was thinking MARTEN.


Yeah, that's his name.  The perv, himself.


Gives me the willies.. reminds me of John Mark Carr.  UGH  :smt078  :smt078  :smt078


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..


What kind?


 My daughter sent me the link days ago.. and I only just started really looking at it.  lol
  She uses it for stuff on Myspace. You can create your own.
Meez.com  I went thru it .. thru my photobucket.  :)  Just checking out hair and eyes now.. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 10:33:35 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Sorry to pop in for such a short time. It's getting late and have loads to do over the next several days (help bro get his wife committed and 2 funerals  :cry: ).


Sounds like a few monkey prayers for you.   We wub you in here. {{{{{HUGS}}}}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 10:34:20 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"

No wonder I am pissed about it...I have a very severe spider phobia.   :lol:


Me too, Lala's! I knew you were my twin.  :D


 :oops:  I did not ... until in the Air Force
Roommate had a pet tarantula(?) which was fine provide it was not loose in the room without him roommate  there.
I did not want to hold it ect.  but  walking around the room or crawling on him was not a problem.. Gave me the willies but .. still not a problem.

Lets just say ... after getting in a disagreement with the roommate in on base bar... I went to bed & he left with some of his buddies.
He woke me up when he came in ... Hey a-hole you awake!

Then he dumped 14 said type of spiders out of a paper bag on to me .
I did mange to catch him in the head with a boot as he left the room.
Killed 15 spiders which I put in his bed... and have moved out of my room  by 8:00am.

Do not get me wrong... I do not freak...freak out at spiders...just cannot ignore them and would rather have a RAT crawl on me...
Sorry ... this should prob.  be move or deleted


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 11, 2007, 10:34:39 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Sorry to pop in for such a short time. It's getting late and have loads to do over the next several days (help bro get his wife committed and 2 funerals  :cry: ).


Justin's, I'm so sorry.  Remember, schedule your nervous breakdown a good six months ahead and they can't tell you no.  True--that's the rule.  Take care now.


Justins that is rough... keeping you in our prayers....

Frijole... that is awesome... congrats...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: snoopy on July 11, 2007, 10:34:42 PM
I've been given until August 15th to quit smoking.  Hubby and the kids had what was an.............intervention.  How do you say HOLY SHEEEEET!!
They're not kidding either.  Sooooooo.  me got to do sumpin, and quick.  That man hasn't told me what to do more than 4 or 5 times in the past 25+ years, but man I can tell he and the kids were not kidding.  Daaayum.  :roll:

BT post everything ya got cause I gotta do this, and I can't gain ANY weight.  Got a weddin coming up, and gotta look my finest.  Body suckeruppers only do so much ya know.  :shock:  :lol:  8)  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 11, 2007, 10:36:29 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Sorry to pop in for such a short time. It's getting late and have loads to do over the next several days (help bro get his wife committed and 2 funerals  :cry: ).

Justins ~ I'm so sorry.  Many hugs and prayers.   :smt056


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: snoopy on July 11, 2007, 10:36:54 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Sorry to pop in for such a short time. It's getting late and have loads to do over the next several days (help bro get his wife committed and 2 funerals  :cry: ).


Justins I'm so sorry you're having family troubles.  Keeping ya'll in my prayers.  Hope your mom is doing ok.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
I'll never forget looking at pics of his place and seeing the TV tuned to the news about Natalee.  [shiver]  weird, just plain weird.


He was totally weird. Sick is the correct word. he still posts on line using the same name(s) or what ever you want to call them. Most of the posts I have seen have been about power supply stuff to his Thailand place, and posts about having married a young (26 year old) girl, and still that place he lives that looks for all the world like a place to buy a date. :?  8)  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: "snoopy"
I've been given until August 15th to quit smoking.  Hubby and the kids had what was an.............intervention.  How do you say HOLY SHEEEEET!!
They're not kidding either.  Sooooooo.  me got to do sumpin, and quick.  That man hasn't told me what to do more than 4 or 5 times in the past 25+ years, but man I can tell he and the kids were not kidding.  Daaayum.  :roll:

BT post everything ya got cause I gotta do this, and I can't gain ANY weight.  Got a weddin coming up, and gotta look my finest.  Body suckeruppers only do so much ya know.  :shock:  :lol:  8)  :oops:


Snoopy, get the Chantix.  It is the only thing that has come close to helping.  Really.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Sam on July 11, 2007, 10:38:38 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I see by the world map via the site meter that we have a viewer on from Thailand?


HI Monkeys, almost caught up so thought this was a good place to jump in.

Must be our friend Martin. :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 10:40:51 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I see by the world map via the site meter that we have a viewer on from Thailand?


HI Monkeys, almost caught up so thought this was a good place to jump in.

Must be our friend Martin. :lol:  :lol:


Well we were specullating about that, and remembering what kinda guy he was. :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: snoopy on July 11, 2007, 10:40:52 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "snoopy"
I've been given until August 15th to quit smoking.  Hubby and the kids had what was an.............intervention.  How do you say HOLY SHEEEEET!!
They're not kidding either.  Sooooooo.  me got to do sumpin, and quick.  That man hasn't told me what to do more than 4 or 5 times in the past 25+ years, but man I can tell he and the kids were not kidding.  Daaayum.  :roll:

BT post everything ya got cause I gotta do this, and I can't gain ANY weight.  Got a weddin coming up, and gotta look my finest.  Body suckeruppers only do so much ya know.  :shock:  :lol:  8)  :oops:


Snoopy, get the Chantix.  It is the only thing that has come close to helping.  Really.


Ok.  I'll be going to the Dr. next week, and I'll talk to him about it.  I'm really proud of everyone who has kicked this terrible habit.

Oh........I just yelled in the other room to hubby that beaners quit and she got a huge rock!!  He said..........Ok honey :shock:  :D  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 11, 2007, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I love the two little BT faces in my new avi. I think I might keep this one around for a while. Those little puggy faces are so cute!!  :smt054


BT they really are cute, but when I glance quickly I think they are a cow.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 10:42:24 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I love the two little BT faces in my new avi. I think I might keep this one around for a while. Those little puggy faces are so cute!!  :smt054


BT they really are cute, but when I glance quickly I think they are a cow.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


It's probably the hot sun here, but I had the same reaction!  They are adorable, but cow-colored.   :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 10:43:09 PM
Quote from: "snoopy"
I've been given until August 15th to quit smoking.  Hubby and the kids had what was an.............intervention.  How do you say HOLY SHEEEEET!!
They're not kidding either.  Sooooooo.  me got to do sumpin, and quick.  That man hasn't told me what to do more than 4 or 5 times in the past 25+ years, but man I can tell he and the kids were not kidding.  Daaayum.  :roll:

BT post everything ya got cause I gotta do this, and I can't gain ANY weight.  Got a weddin coming up, and gotta look my finest.  Body suckeruppers only do so much ya know.  :shock:  :lol:  8)  :oops:

Want to borrow my avatar :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"

No wonder I am pissed about it...I have a very severe spider phobia.   :lol:


Me too, Lala's! I knew you were my twin.  :D


 :oops:  I did not ... until in the Air Force
Roommate had a pet tarantula(?) which was fine provide it was not loose in the room without him roommate  there.
I did not want to hold it ect.  but  walking around the room or crawling on him was not a problem.. Gave me the willies but .. still not a problem.

Lets just say ... after getting in a disagreement with the roommate in on base bar... I went to bed & he left with some of his buddies.
He woke me up when he came in ... Hey a-hole you awake!

Then he dumped 14 said type of spiders out of a paper bag on to me .
I did mange to catch him in the head with a boot as he left the room.
Killed 15 spiders which I put in his bed... and have moved out of my room  by 8:00am.

Do not get me wrong... I do not freak...freak out at spiders...just cannot ignore them and would rather have a RAT crawl on me...
Sorry ... this should prob.  be move or deleted


Let me just say that I would have died from a heart atttack.  If I survived that scare, I would be out buying the biggest can of Raid I could find and that spider would crawl no more.  Oh my, I can't help but shudder at the thought...I would die...I just would.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 10:43:37 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..

**********************
Oooohhh...hurt me, beat me..make me write bad checks...lol....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 11, 2007, 10:45:16 PM
You monkeys are too cute, and I wub you all.

Night, night. Sweet dreams everyone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: snoopy on July 11, 2007, 10:45:40 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "snoopy"
I've been given until August 15th to quit smoking.  Hubby and the kids had what was an.............intervention.  How do you say HOLY SHEEEEET!!
They're not kidding either.  Sooooooo.  me got to do sumpin, and quick.  That man hasn't told me what to do more than 4 or 5 times in the past 25+ years, but man I can tell he and the kids were not kidding.  Daaayum.  :roll:

BT post everything ya got cause I gotta do this, and I can't gain ANY weight.  Got a weddin coming up, and gotta look my finest.  Body suckeruppers only do so much ya know.  :shock:  :lol:  8)  :oops:

Want to borrow my avatar :lol:


Well.......hmmmmm.......I'm trying to find the right words to respond here.
Nah just let it go snoopy.  Let it go.  Let's just say.......that....well......that would be somewhat of a change for me.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 10:45:45 PM
Snoop Dawg, you can't use that avi...sorry...it's not you.  I don't like it...go back to your sweet pup face.  I can't stand the one you have now...don't you dare tell me it's more you, either.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Frijole on July 11, 2007, 10:46:47 PM
Quote from: "snoopy"


Oh........I just yelled in the other room to hubby that beaners quit and she got a huge rock!!  He said..........Ok honey :shock:  :D  :lol:


That is too funny.... go shopping and pick something out that you will get when you celebrate one year and then go visit each time you feel weak!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 11, 2007, 10:46:49 PM
The question was asked, who will crack to break the coverup?

Not J2K, they would be doing jail time and implicating ALE. Not VStratten or Janssen, they have been reassigned and living comfortably outside Aruba. Not GW, or KG, or SG, they have relocated to Holland. No one is MEP is talking, after all they appointed most everyone in ALE. Certainly, no one at this point is going to put themselves in jail.

It will take someone in law enforcement that has seen the files in June 2005 and has an axe to grind against MEP. The only person that has come close to that is Jossy and I think he has told everything he knows and released most everything he has seen. Maybe someone in the opposing Aruban party with knowledge can crack the case.

Remember, we are two years in now, and all the facts were known by the end of June 2005.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 10:46:59 PM
Snoopy
Get your mind correct 1st...
it is something you want to do....
The former Mrs. OldFart went to one of those group Hypnois (sp) things many years ago.. I quit untill I saw her smoking :shock:  then My Motivation left...
Chantix..  the right mind set & you can do it...

PS... I'll bet they can alter the dress.

Do not worry about weight gain at this time..!!!

Wishing you the best... for I know you can do it.. with your family behind you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 10:47:12 PM
Angie - can you post the link to that site where you can make your own AVI?  TIA!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: snoopy on July 11, 2007, 10:48:18 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Snoop Dawg, you can't use that avi...sorry...it's not you.  I don't like it...go back to your sweet pup face.  I can't stand the one you have now...don't you dare tell me it's more you, either.  :roll:


Well darn it Lala's!!  Otay, but how do know I'm not some wild old chick!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:   Ok nevermind.  I'm changing now mama.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Frijole on July 11, 2007, 10:49:08 PM
Quote from: "Spock"


Remember, we are two years in now, and all the facts were known by the end of June 2005.


Yeah, and we have spent the last 2 years discovering all of the lies... and lies there were/are!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..

**********************
Oooohhh...hurt me, beat me..make me write bad checks...lol....



 :shock:   ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Hi Yah Metro.. ok... if you take me for a ride in that Infinity..  :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 10:50:29 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..

**********************
Oooohhh...hurt me, beat me..make me write bad checks...lol....



 :shock:   ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Hi Yah Metro.. ok... if you take me for a ride in that Infinity..  :wink:  :wink:

**************
Heh..heh...just use your whip!!! Just kidding!! I'm just north of you tonight in N.J. gotta sucky rental car though...lol...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 10:50:34 PM
Quote from: klaasend
Angie - can you post the link to that site where you can make your own AVI?  TIA![/quote

 Looking Klaas.. I went thru Photobucket. and I am making one as close as I can the resembles me.. cept for the hair.  LMAO  Thsi hair is WAY more spikey then I do mine.

http://s12.photobucket.com/meez/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Frijole on July 11, 2007, 10:51:13 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..

**********************
Oooohhh...hurt me, beat me..make me write bad checks...lol....



 :shock:   ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Hi Yah Metro.. ok... if you take me for a ride in that Infinity..  :wink:  :wink:


Girlfriend - you go out dressed like that and the ride you get won't be in any Infiniti!  LOL   You wild thang you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 10:51:13 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
The question was asked, who will crack to break the coverup?

Not J2K, they would be doing jail time and implicating ALE. Not VStratten or Janssen, they have been reassigned and living comfortably outside Aruba. Not GW, or KG, or SG, they have relocated to Holland. No one is MEP is talking, after all they appointed most everyone in ALE. Certainly, no one at this point is going to put themselves in jail.

It will take someone in law enforcement that has seen the files in June 2005 and has an axe to grind against MEP. The only person that has come close to that is Jossy and I think he has told everything he knows and released most everything he has seen. Maybe someone in the opposing Aruban party with knowledge can crack the case.

Remember, we are two years in now, and all the facts were known by the end of June 2005.


Lorenzo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 10:51:30 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I love the two little BT faces in my new avi. I think I might keep this one around for a while. Those little puggy faces are so cute!!  :smt054


Yes they are...
I wonder if someone  :roll:  could animate it a little
Just wondering :roll:

 :oops:  I'm confused as ususal  :oops:
If I posted this earlier sorry


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 10:52:09 PM
Quote from: Atlmetroguy
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..

**********************
Oooohhh...hurt me, beat me..make me write bad checks...lol....



 :shock:   ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Hi Yah Metro.. ok... if you take me for a ride in that Infinity..  :wink:  :wink:

**************
Heh..heh...just use your whip!!! Just kidding!! I'm just north of you tonight in N.J. gotta sucky rental car though...lol...[/quote

 Kewl! Hope the weather is nice there for yah. !!  Any rental car would be sucky compared to what you are used to. LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 10:52:53 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
You monkeys are too cute, and I wub you all.

Night, night. Sweet dreams everyone.


Nighty night, sweet dreams.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 11, 2007, 10:53:03 PM
Klaas, I got to it at http://meez.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 11, 2007, 10:53:07 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "snoopy"


Oh........I just yelled in the other room to hubby that beaners quit and she got a huge rock!!  He said..........Ok honey :shock:  :D  :lol:


That is too funny.... go shopping and pick something out that you will get when you celebrate one year and then go visit each time you feel weak!   :lol:


That is a great idea.... I think that would work for the last 10 lbs or smoking.....  i need pearls...  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: snoopy on July 11, 2007, 10:53:24 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Snoopy
Get your mind correct 1st...
it is something you want to do....
The former Mrs. OldFart went to one of those group Hypnois (sp) things many years ago.. I quit untill I saw her smoking :shock:  then My Motivation left...
Chantix..  the right mind set & you can do it...

PS... I'll bet they can alter the dress.

Do not worry about weight gain at this time..!!!

Wishing you the best... for I know you can do it.. with your family behind you.


Oh trust me Oldfart!! I'm highly motivated!!  :lol:   And I do want to quit really.  I haven't picked out my dress yet, but I can't gain any weight.  Thank you for the good wishes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 10:53:45 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..

**********************
Oooohhh...hurt me, beat me..make me write bad checks...lol....



 :shock:   ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Hi Yah Metro.. ok... if you take me for a ride in that Infinity..  :wink:  :wink:


Girlfriend - you go out dressed like that and the ride you get won't be in any Infiniti!  LOL   You wild thang you.


  LOL !! Hi Bean!!  :)
I was in a pissed off mood last night BAD.. so that AVI was suiting for my mood.  lol  Working on another now.. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 10:54:02 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I love the two little BT faces in my new avi. I think I might keep this one around for a while. Those little puggy faces are so cute!!  :smt054


BT they really are cute, but when I glance quickly I think they are a cow.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


It's probably the hot sun here, but I had the same reaction!  They are adorable, but cow-colored.   :oops:


Yep, heat is getting to us. Hopefully rain soon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 10:54:08 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
The question was asked, who will crack to break the coverup?

Not J2K, they would be doing jail time and implicating ALE. Not VStratten or Janssen, they have been reassigned and living comfortably outside Aruba. Not GW, or KG, or SG, they have relocated to Holland. No one is MEP is talking, after all they appointed most everyone in ALE. Certainly, no one at this point is going to put themselves in jail.

It will take someone in law enforcement that has seen the files in June 2005 and has an axe to grind against MEP. The only person that has come close to that is Jossy and I think he has told everything he knows and released most everything he has seen. Maybe someone in the opposing Aruban party with knowledge can crack the case.

Remember, we are two years in now, and all the facts were known by the end of June 2005.


maybe we can help SUPPLY the AXE  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 10:55:10 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"

No wonder I am pissed about it...I have a very severe spider phobia.   :lol:


Me too, Lala's! I knew you were my twin.  :D


 :oops:  I did not ... until in the Air Force
Roommate had a pet tarantula(?) which was fine provide it was not loose in the room without him roommate  there.
I did not want to hold it ect.  but  walking around the room or crawling on him was not a problem.. Gave me the willies but .. still not a problem.

Lets just say ... after getting in a disagreement with the roommate in on base bar... I went to bed & he left with some of his buddies.
He woke me up when he came in ... Hey a-hole you awake!

Then he dumped 14 said type of spiders out of a paper bag on to me .
I did mange to catch him in the head with a boot as he left the room.
Killed 15 spiders which I put in his bed... and have moved out of my room  by 8:00am.

Do not get me wrong... I do not freak...freak out at spiders...just cannot ignore them and would rather have a RAT crawl on me...
Sorry ... this should prob.  be move or deleted

When I worked at one of my old jobs we were getting ready for a big move.  People were moving boxes all over the place.  I had this little fury fake mouse that looked real.  I grabbed a needle and thread the put a string through its nose.  I went and found one of of the moving boxes and went over to my friends one at a time and said look at what was in this box.  They would look in the box and I would pull the string and the mouse would pop up at them :lol: .  Needless to say I stopped when I did it to one of the bosses because he screamed the loudest. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 10:55:11 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..

**********************
Oooohhh...hurt me, beat me..make me write bad checks...lol....



 :shock:   ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Hi Yah Metro.. ok... if you take me for a ride in that Infinity..  :wink:  :wink:


Girlfriend - you go out dressed like that and the ride you get won't be in any Infiniti!  LOL   You wild thang you.


  LOL !! Hi Bean!!  :)
I was in a pissed off mood last night BAD.. so that AVI was suiting for my mood.  lol  Working on another now.. :)


it is a little skerrrrry  8)  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 10:55:29 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..

**********************
Oooohhh...hurt me, beat me..make me write bad checks...lol....



 :shock:   ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Hi Yah Metro.. ok... if you take me for a ride in that Infinity..  :wink:  :wink:


Girlfriend - you go out dressed like that and the ride you get won't be in any Infiniti!  LOL   You wild thang you.

******************
Heh...Heh..Heh..Heh....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 11, 2007, 10:55:43 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Spock"
The question was asked, who will crack to break the coverup?

Not J2K, they would be doing jail time and implicating ALE. Not VStratten or Janssen, they have been reassigned and living comfortably outside Aruba. Not GW, or KG, or SG, they have relocated to Holland. No one is MEP is talking, after all they appointed most everyone in ALE. Certainly, no one at this point is going to put themselves in jail.

It will take someone in law enforcement that has seen the files in June 2005 and has an axe to grind against MEP. The only person that has come close to that is Jossy and I think he has told everything he knows and released most everything he has seen. Maybe someone in the opposing Aruban party with knowledge can crack the case.

Remember, we are two years in now, and all the facts were known by the end of June 2005.


Lorenzo.


I don't think so. Lorenzo is as much a part of the corruption as MEP.  He has great political clout on the island, parties with government officials, and is reportedly heavily involved in trafficing. You will have to look elsewhere. Not a chance.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 10:56:05 PM
Thanks Angie and AZLady :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: Angiex911dsptchr
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..

**********************
Oooohhh...hurt me, beat me..make me write bad checks...lol....



 :shock:   ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Hi Yah Metro.. ok... if you take me for a ride in that Infinity..  :wink:  :wink:

**************
Heh..heh...just use your whip!!! Just kidding!! I'm just north of you tonight in N.J. gotta sucky rental car though...lol...[/quote

 Kewl! Hope the weather is nice there for yah. !!  Any rental car would be sucky compared to what you are used to. LOL

*******************
Actually...I'm getting ready to trade it for a GMC Yukon Denali...gonna buy a boat and need something to drag it around with..in a bit of style of course!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 10:57:51 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..

**********************
Oooohhh...hurt me, beat me..make me write bad checks...lol....



 :shock:   ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Hi Yah Metro.. ok... if you take me for a ride in that Infinity..  :wink:  :wink:


Girlfriend - you go out dressed like that and the ride you get won't be in any Infiniti!  LOL   You wild thang you.


  LOL !! Hi Bean!!  :)
I was in a pissed off mood last night BAD.. so that AVI was suiting for my mood.  lol  Working on another now.. :)


it is a little skerrrrry  8)  :lol:


  LOL  No worried Robot.. the new one wont be !  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 10:58:15 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
The question was asked, who will crack to break the coverup?

Not J2K, they would be doing jail time and implicating ALE. Not VStratten or Janssen, they have been reassigned and living comfortably outside Aruba. Not GW, or KG, or SG, they have relocated to Holland. No one is MEP is talking, after all they appointed most everyone in ALE. Certainly, no one at this point is going to put themselves in jail.

It will take someone in law enforcement that has seen the files in June 2005 and has an axe to grind against MEP. The only person that has come close to that is Jossy and I think he has told everything he knows and released most everything he has seen. Maybe someone in the opposing Aruban party with knowledge can crack the case.

Remember, we are two years in now, and all the facts were known by the end of June 2005.

I agree.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 10:59:48 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Spock"
The question was asked, who will crack to break the coverup?

Not J2K, they would be doing jail time and implicating ALE. Not VStratten or Janssen, they have been reassigned and living comfortably outside Aruba. Not GW, or KG, or SG, they have relocated to Holland. No one is MEP is talking, after all they appointed most everyone in ALE. Certainly, no one at this point is going to put themselves in jail.

It will take someone in law enforcement that has seen the files in June 2005 and has an axe to grind against MEP. The only person that has come close to that is Jossy and I think he has told everything he knows and released most everything he has seen. Maybe someone in the opposing Aruban party with knowledge can crack the case.

Remember, we are two years in now, and all the facts were known by the end of June 2005.


Lorenzo.


I don't think so. Lorenzo is as much a part of the corruption as MEP.  He has great political clout on the island, parties with government officials, and is reportedly heavily involved in trafficing. You will have to look elsewhere. Not a chance.


So who is the weakest link?  Guido?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: snoopy on July 11, 2007, 10:59:48 PM
I told hubby that mrs.red said I need pearls too, and he said I gotta quit hanging out with ya'll.  Silly  man.  He's not the boss of me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 11:00:00 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..

**********************
Oooohhh...hurt me, beat me..make me write bad checks...lol....



 :shock:   ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Hi Yah Metro.. ok... if you take me for a ride in that Infinity..  :wink:  :wink:


Girlfriend - you go out dressed like that and the ride you get won't be in any Infiniti!  LOL   You wild thang you.


  LOL !! Hi Bean!!  :)
I was in a pissed off mood last night BAD.. so that AVI was suiting for my mood.  lol  Working on another now.. :)


it is a little skerrrrry  8)  :lol:


  LOL  No worried Robot.. the new one wont be !  :lol:


put the BUNNY SUIT ON  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 11:00:45 PM
Quote from: "snoopy"
I told hubby that mrs.red said I need pearls too, and he said I gotta quit hanging out with ya'll.  Silly  man.  He's not the boss of me.

********************
Just make him a trade...pearls for golf clubs or whatever he's into...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 11:01:57 PM
Quote from: Atlmetroguy
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..

**********************
Oooohhh...hurt me, beat me..make me write bad checks...lol....



 :shock:   ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Hi Yah Metro.. ok... if you take me for a ride in that Infinity..  :wink:  :wink:

**************
Heh..heh...just use your whip!!! Just kidding!! I'm just north of you tonight in N.J. gotta sucky rental car though...lol...[/quote

 Kewl! Hope the weather is nice there for yah. !!  Any rental car would be sucky compared to what you are used to. LOL

*******************
Actually...I'm getting ready to trade it for a GMC Yukon Denali...gonna buy a boat and need something to drag it around with..in a bit of style of course!!


  :lol:  :lol:  You WILL be stylin and profilin !!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 11, 2007, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Spock"
The question was asked, who will crack to break the coverup?

Not J2K, they would be doing jail time and implicating ALE. Not VStratten or Janssen, they have been reassigned and living comfortably outside Aruba. Not GW, or KG, or SG, they have relocated to Holland. No one is MEP is talking, after all they appointed most everyone in ALE. Certainly, no one at this point is going to put themselves in jail.

It will take someone in law enforcement that has seen the files in June 2005 and has an axe to grind against MEP. The only person that has come close to that is Jossy and I think he has told everything he knows and released most everything he has seen. Maybe someone in the opposing Aruban party with knowledge can crack the case.

Remember, we are two years in now, and all the facts were known by the end of June 2005.


Lorenzo.


I don't think so. Lorenzo is as much a part of the corruption as MEP.  He has great political clout on the island, parties with government officials, and is reportedly heavily involved in trafficing. You will have to look elsewhere. Not a chance.


So who is the weakest link?  Guido?


Not Guido, he has lawyered up with the best defense attorney in Holland. The Arubans cant even get an order to bring him back for questioning. Have to look elsewhere.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..

**********************
Oooohhh...hurt me, beat me..make me write bad checks...lol....



 :shock:   ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Hi Yah Metro.. ok... if you take me for a ride in that Infinity..  :wink:  :wink:


Girlfriend - you go out dressed like that and the ride you get won't be in any Infiniti!  LOL   You wild thang you.


  LOL !! Hi Bean!!  :)
I was in a pissed off mood last night BAD.. so that AVI was suiting for my mood.  lol  Working on another now.. :)


it is a little skerrrrry  8)  :lol:


  LOL  No worried Robot.. the new one wont be !  :lol:


put the BUNNY SUIT ON  :twisted:

******************
<In my best Emeril Lagasse voice> Ohhh yeahh babe...thats what I am talkin about!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 11:02:49 PM
Quote from: Angiex911dsptchr
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I am trying to make a new AVI ..

**********************
Oooohhh...hurt me, beat me..make me write bad checks...lol....



 :shock:   ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Hi Yah Metro.. ok... if you take me for a ride in that Infinity..  :wink:  :wink:

**************
Heh..heh...just use your whip!!! Just kidding!! I'm just north of you tonight in N.J. gotta sucky rental car though...lol...[/quote

 Kewl! Hope the weather is nice there for yah. !!  Any rental car would be sucky compared to what you are used to. LOL

*******************
Actually...I'm getting ready to trade it for a GMC Yukon Denali...gonna buy a boat and need something to drag it around with..in a bit of style of course!!


  :lol:  :lol:  You WILL be stylin and profilin !!

********************
Oh yeah...20's with chrome spinners!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 11:02:52 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
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Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
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Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..

**********************
Oooohhh...hurt me, beat me..make me write bad checks...lol....



 :shock:   ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Hi Yah Metro.. ok... if you take me for a ride in that Infinity..  :wink:  :wink:


Girlfriend - you go out dressed like that and the ride you get won't be in any Infiniti!  LOL   You wild thang you.


  LOL !! Hi Bean!!  :)
I was in a pissed off mood last night BAD.. so that AVI was suiting for my mood.  lol  Working on another now.. :)


it is a little skerrrrry  8)  :lol:


  LOL  No worried Robot.. the new one wont be !  :lol:


put the BUNNY SUIT ON  :twisted:

******************
<In my best Emeril Lagasse voice> Ohhh yeahh babe...thats what I am talkin about!!


metro and I want the BUNNY  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 11:03:59 PM
ROBOTS
Actually I did see bunny ears.. I may ass those JUST for you..LMAO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 11:04:10 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
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Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I am trying to make a new AVI ..

**********************
Oooohhh...hurt me, beat me..make me write bad checks...lol....



 :shock:   ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Hi Yah Metro.. ok... if you take me for a ride in that Infinity..  :wink:  :wink:


Girlfriend - you go out dressed like that and the ride you get won't be in any Infiniti!  LOL   You wild thang you.


  LOL !! Hi Bean!!  :)
I was in a pissed off mood last night BAD.. so that AVI was suiting for my mood.  lol  Working on another now.. :)


it is a little skerrrrry  8)  :lol:


  LOL  No worried Robot.. the new one wont be !  :lol:


put the BUNNY SUIT ON  :twisted:

******************
<In my best Emeril Lagasse voice> Ohhh yeahh babe...thats what I am talkin about!!


metro and I want the BUNNY  :twisted:

*****************
Hef would be proud of us eh Robots?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 11, 2007, 11:05:09 PM
Well,the Chantrix helps people,i have heard.you will look good at the wedding.You deserve the rock and pearls,since you will be saving a lot money.For the record,I am skerred of spiders,and they have hurt,much worse than Angies whip.Good luck,I think koen will talk.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: snoopy on July 11, 2007, 11:05:27 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "snoopy"
I told hubby that mrs.red said I need pearls too, and he said I gotta quit hanging out with ya'll.  Silly  man.  He's not the boss of me.

********************
Just make him a trade...pearls for golf clubs or whatever he's into...


Oh honey there won't be any gosh darn tradin goin on.  I'm getting them.
Well ok.  I'll get him something.  :roll:  :lol:  8)

Rock On ya'll. Gotta go

Hopefully tomm will be the day Natalee gets Justice.  Can't wait for Tim to get to Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 11:06:16 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
ROBOTS
Actually I did see bunny ears.. I may ass those JUST for you..LMAO


 ADD  I meant ADD  :oops:  :oops:
 I am back and forth from here to that site.. LMAO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 11:06:27 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
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The question was asked, who will crack to break the coverup?

Not J2K, they would be doing jail time and implicating ALE. Not VStratten or Janssen, they have been reassigned and living comfortably outside Aruba. Not GW, or KG, or SG, they have relocated to Holland. No one is MEP is talking, after all they appointed most everyone in ALE. Certainly, no one at this point is going to put themselves in jail.

It will take someone in law enforcement that has seen the files in June 2005 and has an axe to grind against MEP. The only person that has come close to that is Jossy and I think he has told everything he knows and released most everything he has seen. Maybe someone in the opposing Aruban party with knowledge can crack the case.

Remember, we are two years in now, and all the facts were known by the end of June 2005.


Lorenzo.


I don't think so. Lorenzo is as much a part of the corruption as MEP.  He has great political clout on the island, parties with government officials, and is reportedly heavily involved in trafficing. You will have to look elsewhere. Not a chance.


So who is the weakest link?  Guido?


Not Guido, he has lawyered up with the best defense attorney in Holland. The Arubans cant even get an order to bring him back for questioning. Have to look elsewhere.


Well, who do you think?  Perhaps Deepak or Satish.  I still think if left alone that Guido is a great weak candide if someone would put the pressure on him.  It may be someone that we have never heard of, or it could be a girlfriend of one of the guys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 11:07:09 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
ROBOTS
Actually I did see bunny ears.. I may ass those JUST for you..LMAO


 ADD  I meant ADD  :oops:  :oops:
 I am back and forth from here to that site.. LMAO



 :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 11, 2007, 11:07:55 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Spock"
The question was asked, who will crack to break the coverup?

Not J2K, they would be doing jail time and implicating ALE. Not VStratten or Janssen, they have been reassigned and living comfortably outside Aruba. Not GW, or KG, or SG, they have relocated to Holland. No one is MEP is talking, after all they appointed most everyone in ALE. Certainly, no one at this point is going to put themselves in jail.

It will take someone in law enforcement that has seen the files in June 2005 and has an axe to grind against MEP. The only person that has come close to that is Jossy and I think he has told everything he knows and released most everything he has seen. Maybe someone in the opposing Aruban party with knowledge can crack the case.

Remember, we are two years in now, and all the facts were known by the end of June 2005.


Lorenzo.


I don't think so. Lorenzo is as much a part of the corruption as MEP.  He has great political clout on the island, parties with government officials, and is reportedly heavily involved in trafficing. You will have to look elsewhere. Not a chance.


So who is the weakest link?  Guido?


Not Guido, he has lawyered up with the best defense attorney in Holland. The Arubans cant even get an order to bring him back for questioning. Have to look elsewhere.


Well, who do you think?  Perhaps Deepak or Satish.  I still think if left alone that Guido is a great weak candide if someone would put the pressure on him.  It may be someone that we have never heard of, or it could be a girlfriend of one of the guys.


Not the Kalpoes, they are protected by ALE and the coverup.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 11:08:47 PM
[quote="Atlmetroguy

metro and I want the BUNNY  :twisted:[/quote]
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Hef would be proud of us eh Robots?[/quote]




 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 11:08:58 PM
One more time...who do you think?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on July 11, 2007, 11:09:09 PM
Ok..I'm outta here...gotta early flight to Hotlanta...wooohooo!!

Will be seing Angies AVI in my dreams...now I'm skeered!! lol

Night All.....

metro....out......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 11:09:21 PM
I see Snoopy left nekky because of me...oh well.  Unfotunately, she can only be a dog.  I don't see her any other way...that didn't come out quite like it sounded in my head.   Geez!  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2007, 11:10:28 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Spock"
The question was asked, who will crack to break the coverup?

Not J2K, they would be doing jail time and implicating ALE. Not VStratten or Janssen, they have been reassigned and living comfortably outside Aruba. Not GW, or KG, or SG, they have relocated to Holland. No one is MEP is talking, after all they appointed most everyone in ALE. Certainly, no one at this point is going to put themselves in jail.

It will take someone in law enforcement that has seen the files in June 2005 and has an axe to grind against MEP. The only person that has come close to that is Jossy and I think he has told everything he knows and released most everything he has seen. Maybe someone in the opposing Aruban party with knowledge can crack the case.

Remember, we are two years in now, and all the facts were known by the end of June 2005.


Lorenzo.


I don't think so. Lorenzo is as much a part of the corruption as MEP.  He has great political clout on the island, parties with government officials, and is reportedly heavily involved in trafficing. You will have to look elsewhere. Not a chance.


So who is the weakest link?  Guido?


Not Guido, he has lawyered up with the best defense attorney in Holland. The Arubans cant even get an order to bring him back for questioning. Have to look elsewhere.


Well, who do you think?  Perhaps Deepak or Satish.  I still think if left alone that Guido is a great weak candide if someone would put the pressure on him.  It may be someone that we have never heard of, or it could be a girlfriend of one of the guys.


Not the Kalpoes, they are protected by ALE and the coverup.

Like I said earlier:
Look for someone who didn't get to share in "the spoils".


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mrs. red on July 11, 2007, 11:10:34 PM
Quote from: "snoopy"
I told hubby that mrs.red said I need pearls too, and he said I gotta quit hanging out with ya'll.  Silly  man.  He's not the boss of me.



if he is spouting off that you can't hang out with us... he better not be the boss of you... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 11:10:40 PM
I think Koen is too protected by his family and their interests.  I don't think that will happen.  It very well could be Lorenzo if they can break him, and they may be why he is still in custody.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 11:12:28 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Ok..I'm outta here...gotta early flight to Hotlanta...wooohooo!!

Will be seing Angies AVI in my dreams...now I'm skeered!! lol

Night All.....

metro....out......


Still taking the pills huh?  Nite metro


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 11, 2007, 11:14:10 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"

Well, who do you think?  Perhaps Deepak or Satish.  I still think if left alone that Guido is a great weak candide if someone would put the pressure on him.  It may be someone that we have never heard of, or it could be a girlfriend of one of the guys.


How about Mr. Ramirez, husband of Nadira and stepfather of K2. He didn't buy into all this. Needs to get those boys out of his house!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 11:15:45 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
ROBOTS
Actually I did see bunny ears.. I may ass those JUST for you..LMAO


 ADD  I meant ADD  :oops:  :oops:
 I am back and forth from here to that site.. LMAO



LOLOLOL  I was wondeering what you were gonna be wearing!!!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Frijole on July 11, 2007, 11:16:02 PM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
Quote from: "AZSunny"

Well, who do you think?  Perhaps Deepak or Satish.  I still think if left alone that Guido is a great weak candide if someone would put the pressure on him.  It may be someone that we have never heard of, or it could be a girlfriend of one of the guys.


How about Mr. Ramirez, husband of Nadira and stepfather of K2. He didn't buy into all this. Needs to get those boys out of his house!  :lol:


 :lol: good one.

Or how about Steve "dumb as a rock" Croes?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 11, 2007, 11:17:09 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Spock"
The question was asked, who will crack to break the coverup?

Not J2K, they would be doing jail time and implicating ALE. Not VStratten or Janssen, they have been reassigned and living comfortably outside Aruba. Not GW, or KG, or SG, they have relocated to Holland. No one is MEP is talking, after all they appointed most everyone in ALE. Certainly, no one at this point is going to put themselves in jail.

It will take someone in law enforcement that has seen the files in June 2005 and has an axe to grind against MEP. The only person that has come close to that is Jossy and I think he has told everything he knows and released most everything he has seen. Maybe someone in the opposing Aruban party with knowledge can crack the case.

Remember, we are two years in now, and all the facts were known by the end of June 2005.


Lorenzo.


I don't think so. Lorenzo is as much a part of the corruption as MEP.  He has great political clout on the island, parties with government officials, and is reportedly heavily involved in trafficing. You will have to look elsewhere. Not a chance.


So who is the weakest link?  Guido?


Not Guido, he has lawyered up with the best defense attorney in Holland. The Arubans cant even get an order to bring him back for questioning. Have to look elsewhere.


Well, who do you think?  Perhaps Deepak or Satish.  I still think if left alone that Guido is a great weak candide if someone would put the pressure on him.  It may be someone that we have never heard of, or it could be a girlfriend of one of the guys.


Not the Kalpoes, they are protected by ALE and the coverup.

Like I said earlier:
Look for someone who didn't get to share in "the spoils".


i don't know what you mean, what "spoils" ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 11:18:10 PM
:shock:  :shock:  OMG HELP!
 I gott shrink the thing..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 11, 2007, 11:18:11 PM
I vote for Deepak.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 11:19:45 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
:shock:  :shock:  OMG HELP!
 I gott shrink the thing..

 Oh my gosh,  it is so you!  and big!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 11:20:16 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
:shock:  :shock:  OMG HELP!
 I gott shrink the thing..


now it is too small!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2007, 11:21:59 PM
Quote
i don't know what you mean, what "spoils" ?


Anytime there is corruption -- someone(s) is profiting (the spoils). Look for someone on the fringe that doesn't think they got "theirs".


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 11:22:16 PM
Spock. Do you have an opinion?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 11:22:20 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
:shock:  :shock:  OMG HELP!
 I gott shrink the thing..


now it is too small!


ROFL.. I tryed to make it a bit bigger.. My hair isnt THAT bad..
 But its really how I do dress.. LOL  ANd I have those same Jeans and shirt.. I dont wear bunny ears to work.. I did that for Robots.. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 11:22:55 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
:shock:  :shock:  OMG HELP!
 I gott shrink the thing..


Well, Angie.  I can't believe it's the real you.  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 11:23:41 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
:shock:  :shock:  OMG HELP!
 I gott shrink the thing..


now it is too small!


ROFL.. I tryed to make it a bit bigger.. My hair isnt THAT bad..
 But its really how I do dress.. LOL  ANd I have those same Jeans and shirt.. I dont wear bunny ears to work.. I did that for Robots.. lol


Its not moving around tho like its suppose to.  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 11, 2007, 11:24:04 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I vote for Deepak.


Do you really think Deepak will turn on the same people that have covered up the crime, not possible. The only way to turn Deepak is to offer him immunity, the Dutch can't do that, and besides the coverup has already done that quite well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 11:24:32 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
The question was asked, who will crack to break the coverup?

Not J2K, they would be doing jail time and implicating ALE. Not VStratten or Janssen, they have been reassigned and living comfortably outside Aruba. Not GW, or KG, or SG, they have relocated to Holland. No one is MEP is talking, after all they appointed most everyone in ALE. Certainly, no one at this point is going to put themselves in jail.

It will take someone in law enforcement that has seen the files in June 2005 and has an axe to grind against MEP. The only person that has come close to that is Jossy and I think he has told everything he knows and released most everything he has seen. Maybe someone in the opposing Aruban party with knowledge can crack the case.

Remember, we are two years in now, and all the facts were known by the end of June 2005.

Spock
I'm not sure if anyone in ALE has anything in the files to work with.
I do not have Robots faith..
It went from Justice for Natalee to protect Aruba on about June 10, 2005 (if not before) and is still going strong.

Yes Jossy has been the candle / voice in the darkness for us.
It may have occured  and I just missed it... But why has NO newspaper in the region printed the PV'S and court stuff we have access to?  NOT even Renho's RAG....

Is it a legal thing?   If so could they tell the good people of Aruba..
Quote
If the non functional boycott of Aruba has NOT had an effect on you... Do not worry about it.. but if it has... you may want to find a way to do your own investigaton.  There is a lot of information about the Natalee Hollway case available on the internet... BUT we CAN NOT tell you about it.

If something like this  could happen .... would the people of Aruba start asking qustions, discover what Freedom is ... or still be sheep.

JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 11:24:52 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Spock. Do you have an opinion?


Yes, Spock, who do you think could be the one to spill the beans?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 11, 2007, 11:25:32 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Spock. Do you have an opinion?


It has to be someone in the opposing political block, like Jossy, that has connections, and has seen the files in June 2005.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 11:26:15 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Spock. Do you have an opinion?


Yes, Spock, who do you think could be the one to spill the beans?


 I certainly hope someone does and soon.. Its getting very depressing lately.   :cry:  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 11:26:47 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"

<<SNIP>>
Actually...I'm getting ready to trade it for a GMC Yukon Denali...gonna buy a boat and need something to drag it around with..in a bit of style of course!!


I know Metro is gone... but does the Hummer still provide the big TAX advantage?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: snoopy on July 11, 2007, 11:28:14 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I see Snoopy left nekky because of me...oh well.  Unfotunately, she can only be a dog.  I don't see her any other way...that didn't come out quite like it sounded in my head.   Geez!  :oops:


Oh I leave for a little while and come  back to this?   :lol:  :lol:

It's ok buddy.  I just can't find my avatar.  I'll find it tomm.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 11, 2007, 11:29:51 PM
Angie,  your avi is sooo cute...thanks for telling me about those ciggies. I hadn't heard about them. Unfortunately they aren't available in my area.

I've gotta take a shower now and get ready for bed. Goodnight monkeys. It's been a pleasure! Let's keep the faith that something happens soon!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 11:30:02 PM
Time for me to hug Nemo..I must leave...even though I want to stay...I have to go...I am leaving now.....................did I say I was leaving?   I am going...now...I must get sleep...I really need to go to bed.  

Okay...outta here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: snoopy on July 11, 2007, 11:30:29 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "snoopy"
I told hubby that mrs.red said I need pearls too, and he said I gotta quit hanging out with ya'll.  Silly  man.  He's not the boss of me.



if he is spouting off that you can't hang out with us... he better not be the boss of you... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


He's not, but can you believe he raised his voice at me the other day?  :lol:   I'm really a very very lucky girl.  Love that man with all my heart.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 11, 2007, 11:30:49 PM
Quote from: "snoopy"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I see Snoopy left nekky because of me...oh well.  Unfotunately, she can only be a dog.  I don't see her any other way...that didn't come out quite like it sounded in my head.   Geez!  :oops:


Oh I leave for a little while and come  back to this?   :lol:  :lol:

It's ok buddy.  I just can't find my avatar.  I'll find it tomm.




OOOPS! I didn't get out in time...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IBE on July 11, 2007, 11:31:29 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
I've had to postpone my own, scheduled nervous breakdown. Several other family members are taking theirs right now, and someone has to remain rational.


I didn't know you could schedule those things...that's way cool.  Hi there!



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 11, 2007, 11:31:57 PM
So...would a moderator with this avatar be counter productive?  lol
 :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/KlaasMeez.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 11:32:09 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Angie,  your avi is sooo cute...thanks for telling me about those ciggies. I hadn't heard about them. Unfortunately they aren't available in my area.

I've gotta take a shower now and get ready for bed. Goodnight monkeys. It's been a pleasure! Let's keep the faith that something happens soon!!!


 YW Sweety.. I wish you had them in your area. Id like to try them myself. Id save me a fortune if I could give up Marlboros.
 Have a great night.. and Lalas  night to you as well  :)  
 Let me know if you did what we talked about? Email me.. TY!!   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 11:33:50 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
So...would a moderator with this avatar be counter productive?  lol
 :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/KlaasMeez.gif)


 Go for it Klaas  :)  There sre so many neat things on that site huh?
My daughter loves messing with that . We can always change clothes when need be :) :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 11, 2007, 11:36:33 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I vote for Deepak.


Do you really think Deepak will turn on the same people that have covered up the crime, not possible. The only way to turn Deepak is to offer him immunity, the Dutch can't do that, and besides the coverup has already done that quite well.


I don't see how this is gonna be busted open... so I agree...this thing is buttoned up pretty tight at the moment.

After two years I can't see how a mystery door can be opened unless Tim finds Natalee... and if that happens they will all say Natalee was left on the beach...so I'm not very optimistic now...things could change in an instant if Natalee is found at sea. And the runaway crowd will evaporate.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 11:37:02 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
So...would a moderator with this avatar be counter productive?  lol
 :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/KlaasMeez.gif)

I like the owl avatar.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 11:37:05 PM
AzSunny
 :lol:   too big or too small....sorry
AngieX

How will the new Avi.  fit on the other Avi's.  motor cycle ??? :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Sam on July 11, 2007, 11:37:11 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Spock. Do you have an opinion?


It has to be someone in the opposing political block, like Jossy, that has connections, and has seen the files in June 2005.


Please do not flame me but every night in my prayers I pray for Gods love to come into the hearts of our enemies. If this should happen we would have the questions answered.

Angie, Love the bunny ears. Cute avi all over. Some of these avis are so different it really does make me stop to see who they are. LOL

With that I am calling it a night. Night Monkeys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 11, 2007, 11:37:54 PM
I don't think anyoneis going to crack at this point.
Only if there are some charges will there be anything new.
Why would they say anything now ? Nothing to gain..
Joran felt immune .. he scribbled that rag..
Any information that we have has been examined pretty carefully..
I don't know of any pressure that is being brought to bear on any of these people by outside forces.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 11:38:22 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
So...would a moderator with this avatar be counter productive?  lol
 :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/KlaasMeez.gif)


Nope ... Just add Angies Whip
JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 11, 2007, 11:40:51 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Spock. Do you have an opinion?


It has to be someone in the opposing political block, like Jossy, that has connections, and has seen the files in June 2005.


I don't think it is Jossy, so who else would be a candidate?  Someone on the police department?  they would have come forward before, particularly with the change in regime.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 11:43:28 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I vote for Deepak.


Do you really think Deepak will turn on the same people that have covered up the crime, not possible. The only way to turn Deepak is to offer him immunity, the Dutch can't do that, and besides the coverup has already done that quite well.


I don't see how this is gonna be busted open... so I agree...this thing is buttoned up pretty tight at the moment.

After two years I can't see how a mystery door can be opened unless Tim finds Natalee... and if that happens they will all say Natalee was left on the beach...so I'm not very optimistic now...things could change in an instant if Natalee is found at sea. And the runaway crowd will evaporate.


My hope right now is TES..  And I do pray that they find her remains.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 11:45:07 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
AzSunny
 :lol:   too big or too small....sorry
AngieX

How will the new Avi.  fit on the other Avi's.  motor cycle ??? :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 11, 2007, 11:47:34 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Spock. Do you have an opinion?


It has to be someone in the opposing political block, like Jossy, that has connections, and has seen the files in June 2005.


Please do not flame me but every night in my prayers I pray for Gods love to come into the hearts of our enemies. If this should happen we would have the questions answered.

Angie, Love the bunny ears. Cute avi all over. Some of these avis are so different it really does make me stop to see who they are. LOL

With that I am calling it a night. Night Monkeys.


SAM.. no flames here. I agree.
TY.. lol I have to look to see who is who myself.  
Have a great night and sweet dreams to you.  < Robots wanted bunny ears.. soooo.. Hope the 97 yr old is happy now.. :lol: >


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 11:50:22 PM
JQK has been quiet

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 11:51:08 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Spock. Do you have an opinion?


It has to be someone in the opposing political block, like Jossy, that has connections, and has seen the files in June 2005.


Please do not flame me but every night in my prayers I pray for Gods love to come into the hearts of our enemies. If this should happen we would have the questions answered.

Angie, Love the bunny ears. Cute avi all over. Some of these avis are so different it really does make me stop to see who they are. LOL

With that I am calling it a night. Night Monkeys.


SAM.. no flames here. I agree.
TY.. lol I have to look to see who is who myself.  
Have a great night and sweet dreams to you.  < Robots wanted bunny ears.. soooo.. Hope the 97 yr old is happy now.. :lol: >


im happy  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 11, 2007, 11:53:30 PM
if it is what we think it is...

HUMAN NATURE will strike


someone will TELL the RIGHT person something

and that will start the BALL rolling

LOOSE LIPS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 11:55:58 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Spock. Do you have an opinion?


It has to be someone in the opposing political block, like Jossy, that has connections, and has seen the files in June 2005.


Please do not flame me but every night in my prayers I pray for Gods love to come into the hearts of our enemies. If this should happen we would have the questions answered.

Angie, Love the bunny ears. Cute avi all over. Some of these avis are so different it really does make me stop to see who they are. LOL

With that I am calling it a night. Night Monkeys.


SAM.. no flames here. I agree.
TY.. lol I have to look to see who is who myself.  
Have a great night and sweet dreams to you.  < Robots wanted bunny ears.. soooo.. Hope the 97 yr old is happy now.. :lol: >


Sam
you are not alone in praying for those that we do not agree with
Angie
JMO
But I think you knew Robots early in life...  If so, the bunny ears my not be enough to reflect "improvements" over time  :wink:
JMO of course
take care

SeeeYaaaByeee  Alll


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 11, 2007, 11:56:49 PM
I'm so pleased with myself! Figured out how to make a Photobucket album and change my avatar. Happy, happy, happy! Just like the rest of you.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 11, 2007, 11:58:49 PM
Quote from: "robots"
if it is what we think it is...

HUMAN NATURE will strike


someone will TELL the RIGHT person something

and that will start the BALL rolling

LOOSE LIPS


....think:  :idea: ..."someone with an axe to grind"

* someone who feels cheated
* someone who loses their job @ ALE (unrelated to Natalee case)
* someone at AHATA who loses their job
* jilted lovers
* etc.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 11, 2007, 11:58:53 PM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
I'm so pleased with myself! Figured out how to make a Photobucket album and change my avatar. Happy, happy, happy! Just like the rest of you.  :D

Make sure your photobucket is set to Private.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2007, 11:59:56 PM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
I'm so pleased with myself! Figured out how to make a Photobucket album and change my avatar. Happy, happy, happy! Just like the rest of you.  :D


Port Valerie
Great work !!  You are on the road to posting Images everywhere :lol:

BTW
Your new AVI...
Is that something to do with the Winds of Change and Aruba ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IBE on July 12, 2007, 12:01:18 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Sorry to pop in for such a short time. It's getting late and have loads to do over the next several days (help bro get his wife committed and 2 funerals  :cry: ).


Sounds like a few monkey prayers for you.   We wub you in here. {{{{{HUGS}}}}


Hang in there!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 12, 2007, 12:02:51 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"

Port Valerie
Great work !!  You are on the road to posting Images everywhere :lol:

BTW
Your new AVI...
Is that something to do with the Winds of Change and Aruba ?


No, it has to do with the hurricane season down here. I'm getting ready. (Course, now I can change my outfits often cuz I know how to do it.)

I think maybe an avatar should be a person, even one hiding under a brown paper bag. Will try some more tomorrow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 12, 2007, 12:08:16 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "robots"
if it is what we think it is...

HUMAN NATURE will strike


someone will TELL the RIGHT person something

and that will start the BALL rolling

LOOSE LIPS


....think:  :idea: ..."someone with an axe to grind"

* someone who feels cheated
* someone who loses their job @ ALE (unrelated to Natalee case)
* someone at AHATA who loses their job
* jilted lovers
* etc.


To elaborate:
This case probably won't be solved by the admission of a "key player."
It will be because of what robots alluded to -- "Loose Lips"
Someone in the know who confided in a spouse, lover, etc. will come forward because of spite, jealousy, etc. of the one who confided in them -- perhaps even their own conscious!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 12, 2007, 12:12:21 AM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
Quote from: "oldfart"

Port Valerie
Great work !!  You are on the road to posting Images everywhere :lol:

BTW
Your new AVI...
Is that something to do with the Winds of Change and Aruba ?


No, it has to do with the hurricane season down here. I'm getting ready. (Course, now I can change my outfits often cuz I know how to do it.)

I think maybe an avatar should be a person, even one hiding under a brown paper bag. Will try some more tomorrow.


Get in touch with AngieX... for create you own... that kinda / maybe looks like a person.
As far as "Winds of Change "  I know you have heard the music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5muLIq9PqUk
But do a Google on the song... when it came out & why...
Maybe... Just Maybe the 100,000 or so people will beome informed and take it to heart...  
JMO  of course
BTW... you do look  wind blown ...& lovely


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 12:19:47 AM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
I'm so pleased with myself! Figured out how to make a Photobucket album and change my avatar. Happy, happy, happy! Just like the rest of you.  :D


  :)  Congrats PV!!  :)  Your avi looks good!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 12, 2007, 12:25:10 AM
AngieX

I had to save your Avi... and use Viewer...
Close except the hair stlye

I tried that site ... once....
and Skeered my :shock:  :lol: self...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 12:27:14 AM
BRB - bath time


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 12, 2007, 12:27:18 AM
Thanks for the encouragement, Angie and OF. I will soon be a graphic danger to myself and others!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 12:28:06 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
AngieX

I had to save your Avi... and use Viewer...
Close except the hair stlye

I tried that site ... once....
and Skeered my :shock:  :lol: self...


 :lol:  :lol:  My hair is NOT that freaky.. but close enough.. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 12:28:26 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I vote for Deepak.


Do you really think Deepak will turn on the same people that have covered up the crime, not possible. The only way to turn Deepak is to offer him immunity, the Dutch can't do that, and besides the coverup has already done that quite well.


I don't see how this is gonna be busted open... so I agree...this thing is buttoned up pretty tight at the moment.

After two years I can't see how a mystery door can be opened unless Tim finds Natalee... and if that happens they will all say Natalee was left on the beach...so I'm not very optimistic now...things could change in an instant if Natalee is found at sea. And the runaway crowd will evaporate.


Maybe this is naive but wonder if Deepak left Aruba , turned evidence and stayed in the US?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 12, 2007, 12:30:40 AM
Oh Justins.. sorry to hear it has come to that for your SIL..
Your poor bro..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 12:31:02 AM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
Thanks for the encouragement, Angie and OF. I will soon be a graphic danger to myself and others!  :lol:


  LOL Its ok PV.. when I learned.. I was a monster !  :lol:
 My AVI should be moving around.. it don't.. cept for the eyes blinking.  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 12:33:07 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I vote for Deepak.


Do you really think Deepak will turn on the same people that have covered up the crime, not possible. The only way to turn Deepak is to offer him immunity, the Dutch can't do that, and besides the coverup has already done that quite well.


I don't see how this is gonna be busted open... so I agree...this thing is buttoned up pretty tight at the moment.

After two years I can't see how a mystery door can be opened unless Tim finds Natalee... and if that happens they will all say Natalee was left on the beach...so I'm not very optimistic now...things could change in an instant if Natalee is found at sea. And the runaway crowd will evaporate.


Maybe this is naive but wonder if Deepak left Aruba , turned evidence and stayed in the US?


 Be nice BB.. but I will not hold my breath.


Title: glad
Post by: IBE on July 12, 2007, 12:33:48 AM
Glad to hear about Monkeys who have stopped smoking and all those that wish to, I wish you encouragement.

Robots
I shut off the computer, spoke nicey, nicey to the tomatoes and came back to it. Safari, IE works now, Thanks! :lol:  :lol:  but still no site meter logo trying 4 browsers. With Netscape I used to get a dot where the link was supposed to be (no link there)

Klaas, thanks will look into that browser. Would you please, if OK, post the URL for the site meter??? I used to have fun looking at it and thinking about all the nice places that were listed.

When the ships arrive in Aruba, could we have a prayer day???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 12:35:19 AM
I know you are right Angie :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 12:37:15 AM
Nite all, see you in the morrow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 12, 2007, 12:38:35 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I vote for Deepak.


Do you really think Deepak will turn on the same people that have covered up the crime, not possible. The only way to turn Deepak is to offer him immunity, the Dutch can't do that, and besides the coverup has already done that quite well.


I don't see how this is gonna be busted open... so I agree...this thing is buttoned up pretty tight at the moment.

After two years I can't see how a mystery door can be opened unless Tim finds Natalee... and if that happens they will all say Natalee was left on the beach...so I'm not very optimistic now...things could change in an instant if Natalee is found at sea. And the runaway crowd will evaporate.


Maybe this is naive but wonder if Deepak left Aruba , turned evidence and stayed in the US?


 Be nice BB.. but I will not hold my breath.


The Venue is Aruba, US courts have no jurisdiction. We found that out in NY. He would have to return to Aruba to testify without immunity, if he was involved, would be arrested and prosecuted. Not going to happen.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 12, 2007, 12:39:20 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "oldfart"
AngieX

I had to save your Avi... and use Viewer...
Close except the hair stlye

I tried that site ... once....
and Skeered my :shock:  :lol: self...


 :lol:  :lol:  My hair is NOT that freaky.. but close enough.. lol


Hi Monkeys!  

Ange you have mail!  :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 12, 2007, 12:43:22 AM
Nite, monkeys. Off to play with Photobucket.  :D


Title: Re: glad
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 12:44:03 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
Glad to hear about Monkeys who have stopped smoking and all those that wish to, I wish you encouragement.

Robots
I shut off the computer, spoke nicey, nicey to the tomatoes and came back to it. Safari, IE works now, Thanks! :lol:  :lol:  but still no site meter logo trying 4 browsers. With Netscape I used to get a dot where the link was supposed to be (no link there)

Klaas, thanks will look into that browser. Would you please, if OK, post the URL for the site meter??? I used to have fun looking at it and thinking about all the nice places that were listed.

When the ships arrive in Aruba, could we have a prayer day???


Here is the url for the site meter:

http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s20scaredmonkeys


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 12:44:25 AM
Nite PV & BB


Title: Re: glad
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 12:49:32 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
Glad to hear about Monkeys who have stopped smoking and all those that wish to, I wish you encouragement.

Robots
I shut off the computer, spoke nicey, nicey to the tomatoes and came back to it. Safari, IE works now, Thanks! :lol:  :lol:  but still no site meter logo trying 4 browsers. With Netscape I used to get a dot where the link was supposed to be (no link there)

Klaas, thanks will look into that browser. Would you please, if OK, post the URL for the site meter??? I used to have fun looking at it and thinking about all the nice places that were listed.

When the ships arrive in Aruba, could we have a prayer day???


anytime IBE

<----i know a little about everything

just enought to be dangerous to myself


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 12:51:02 AM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I vote for Deepak.


Do you really think Deepak will turn on the same people that have covered up the crime, not possible. The only way to turn Deepak is to offer him immunity, the Dutch can't do that, and besides the coverup has already done that quite well.


I don't see how this is gonna be busted open... so I agree...this thing is buttoned up pretty tight at the moment.

After two years I can't see how a mystery door can be opened unless Tim finds Natalee... and if that happens they will all say Natalee was left on the beach...so I'm not very optimistic now...things could change in an instant if Natalee is found at sea. And the runaway crowd will evaporate.


Maybe this is naive but wonder if Deepak left Aruba , turned evidence and stayed in the US?


 Be nice BB.. but I will not hold my breath.


The Venue is Aruba, US courts have no jurisdiction. We found that out in NY. He would have to return to Aruba to testify without immunity, if he was involved, would be arrested and prosecuted. Not going to happen.


 :x


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 12:59:02 AM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "oldfart"
AngieX

I had to save your Avi... and use Viewer...
Close except the hair stlye

I tried that site ... once....
and Skeered my :shock:  :lol: self...


 :lol:  :lol:  My hair is NOT that freaky.. but close enough.. lol


Hi Monkeys!  

Ange you have mail!  :P


 :wink:  got it !

My rear needs to get to bed.. gotta get up at 6 am and open the store and put on a happy face  :roll:  :roll:  I will let the bunny ears behind though. LOL
 Have a great night all!  DI..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 12, 2007, 01:05:31 AM
Ange,  Good Night!  Your only going to get a couple hours of sleep sweety!  Talk to ya tomorrow!  Sweet dreams!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 12, 2007, 01:05:39 AM
Was this posted?

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

 Stolen police laptop found back  

ORANJESTAD � The laptop stolen from the home of a Dutch police official was found back.  Two detectives of the Police Corps Aruba ( KPA ) traveled to the Dominican Republic to recover the laptop, which contains a whole lot of information on the criminality in Aruba and a strategic plan.  

The stolen laptop belonged to an official of KPLD from the Netherlands .  He is in Aruba since March to make a so-called �combat criminality� analysis.  The coordination is with the Public Prosecutor (OM).  Janneke Ponsioen of the OM says that the data on the laptop is especially from public sources, like annual reports.  The reason why the OM , the police, and the Detective Cooperative Team ( RST ) wanted the laptop back is according to her, the amount of time that was put into this analysis.  

Up till now, five persons were arrested in this case and five houses were raided.  In one of the homes it appears that a person had bought the laptop and taken it with other stolen goods to the Dominican Republic .  The Dominican police have arrested this person.

With this investigation, the police have found a group of burglars with a permanent receiver.  The investigation is being continued.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 01:08:11 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Was this posted?

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

 Stolen police laptop found back  

ORANJESTAD � The laptop stolen from the home of a Dutch police official was found back.  Two detectives of the Police Corps Aruba ( KPA ) traveled to the Dominican Republic to recover the laptop, which contains a whole lot of information on the criminality in Aruba and a strategic plan.  

The stolen laptop belonged to an official of KPLD from the Netherlands .  He is in Aruba since March to make a so-called �combat criminality� analysis.  The coordination is with the Public Prosecutor (OM).  Janneke Ponsioen of the OM says that the data on the laptop is especially from public sources, like annual reports.  The reason why the OM , the police, and the Detective Cooperative Team ( RST ) wanted the laptop back is according to her, the amount of time that was put into this analysis.  

Up till now, five persons were arrested in this case and five houses were raided.  In one of the homes it appears that a person had bought the laptop and taken it with other stolen goods to the Dominican Republic .  The Dominican police have arrested this person.

With this investigation, the police have found a group of burglars with a permanent receiver.  The investigation is being continued.

Yes it was posted this morning and discussed at all the sites.  Interresting that those at RU claim they know nothing on the laptop had anything to do with the NH case  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 01:13:28 AM
Group of burglars in the dominican republic? WHo stole the laptop in Aruba? Just a random act??Or planned?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 12, 2007, 01:14:01 AM
please delete it Klaas... I totally missed it.. thanx


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 01:15:45 AM
Wow you guys are up late..I see even the Robot is up :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 12, 2007, 01:20:37 AM
I see what is going on in the case currently. I have been looking all over the place and see the Dutch are ready to launch a counter strike on Natalee and Beth.

Sorry to say.. but it's coming - the writing is on the wall. Not only are they unwilling to close the case, they are about to attempt a total and complete fraud on the American public. This is the run up that you have been seeing.

They have been leaking a bunch of bullcrap to people of very questionable morals and they are about to attempt a total and complete slam job.

They have finally cooked up their final conspiracy theory and this one has apparently taken over a year to conjure up. Each and every time they tried a new theory it was quickly shot down... now they think they have the goods...this is gonna get pretty nasty if I'm correct here. What has happened so far is gonna be nothing compared to what will be coming.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 01:21:49 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Wow you guys are up late..I see even the Robot is up :shock:


hi  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 12, 2007, 01:24:16 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
I see what is going on in the case currently. I have been looking all over the place and see the Dutch are ready to launch a counter strike on Natalee and Beth.

Sorry to say.. but it's coming - the writing is on the wall. Not only are they unwilling to close the case, they are about to attempt a total and complete fraud on the American public. This is the run up that you have been seeing.

They have been leaking a bunch of bullcrap to people of very questionable morals and they are about to attempt a total and complete slam job.

They have finally cooked up their final conspiracy theory and this one has apparently taken over a year to conjure up. Each and every time they tried a new theory it was quickly shot down... now they think they have the goods...this is gonna get pretty nasty if I'm correct here. What has happened so far is gonna be nothing compared to what will be coming.


Rob, please explain and where are you getting this info?  I don't want to believe what you are saying here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 01:25:18 AM
It was a strategic media assault aimed just for Aruba and the Netherlands..Obviously it isnt just two crazy reporters and a ex police commish that are behind it. So are the dutch planning on closing the case or moving forward?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 12, 2007, 01:27:54 AM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "Rob"
I see what is going on in the case currently. I have been looking all over the place and see the Dutch are ready to launch a counter strike on Natalee and Beth.

Sorry to say.. but it's coming - the writing is on the wall. Not only are they unwilling to close the case, they are about to attempt a total and complete fraud on the American public. This is the run up that you have been seeing.

They have been leaking a bunch of bullcrap to people of very questionable morals and they are about to attempt a total and complete slam job.

They have finally cooked up their final conspiracy theory and this one has apparently taken over a year to conjure up. Each and every time they tried a new theory it was quickly shot down... now they think they have the goods...this is gonna get pretty nasty if I'm correct here. What has happened so far is gonna be nothing compared to what will be coming.


Rob, please explain and where are you getting this info?  I don't want to believe what you are saying here.


The FBI knows! They are awaiting the Dutch to do the right thing. The KLPD is NOT that stupid.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 01:28:28 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Group of burglars in the dominican republic? WHo stole the laptop in Aruba? Just a random act??Or planned?


They claim a random act but I call BS

No Rob, no need to delete it.  I think it's good to post it again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 01:29:35 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "Rob"
I see what is going on in the case currently. I have been looking all over the place and see the Dutch are ready to launch a counter strike on Natalee and Beth.

Sorry to say.. but it's coming - the writing is on the wall. Not only are they unwilling to close the case, they are about to attempt a total and complete fraud on the American public. This is the run up that you have been seeing.

They have been leaking a bunch of bullcrap to people of very questionable morals and they are about to attempt a total and complete slam job.

They have finally cooked up their final conspiracy theory and this one has apparently taken over a year to conjure up. Each and every time they tried a new theory it was quickly shot down... now they think they have the goods...this is gonna get pretty nasty if I'm correct here. What has happened so far is gonna be nothing compared to what will be coming.


Rob, please explain and where are you getting this info?  I don't want to believe what you are saying here.


The FBI knows! They are awaiting the Dutch to do the right thing. The KLPD is NOT that stupid.



im with ya  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 01:30:21 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "*******"
Wow you guys are up late..I see even the Robot is up :shock:


hi  8)


Hi Dude 8) Rob doesnt sound very optimistic in that last post..He needs some positive people...You know anyone.. 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 01:31:05 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "Rob"
I see what is going on in the case currently. I have been looking all over the place and see the Dutch are ready to launch a counter strike on Natalee and Beth.

Sorry to say.. but it's coming - the writing is on the wall. Not only are they unwilling to close the case, they are about to attempt a total and complete fraud on the American public. This is the run up that you have been seeing.

They have been leaking a bunch of bullcrap to people of very questionable morals and they are about to attempt a total and complete slam job.

They have finally cooked up their final conspiracy theory and this one has apparently taken over a year to conjure up. Each and every time they tried a new theory it was quickly shot down... now they think they have the goods...this is gonna get pretty nasty if I'm correct here. What has happened so far is gonna be nothing compared to what will be coming.


Rob, please explain and where are you getting this info?  I don't want to believe what you are saying here.


The FBI knows! They are awaiting the Dutch to do the right thing. The KLPD is NOT that stupid.



im with ya  8)


Wreck and Robots, I'm with you guys too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 12, 2007, 01:31:11 AM
I need some more info...but from what I am seeing all over the net and it is looking like this is a concerted effort to sort of close the case in a round about way. I believe (and this is still early as I am still figuring out what is totally happening) they may say an unidentified assailant has committed a crime with the help of Beth Holloway.

It seems that even some Dutch Congressmen are also pushing this new theory.

Like I said, I don't have all the info needed to make a definitive determination, but the early indications are something is very rotten and it looks like they may move on this new finding relatively soon.

Something horrible is cooking.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 12, 2007, 01:31:50 AM
I can't wait up.  I am so tired, I'm falling asleep at my computer... Rob,  I will check back for your response. I pray you are wrong.   I really feel they are cracking down on the corruption in Aruba, therefore making an honest effort in find out the truth.  Now wether they are abel to, after so much evidence disappearing is another story. But I do feel they are making an efffort.  I believe the Dutch, if nothing else, is making an effort to clean up that island.  Whether they succeed is another story.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 01:32:52 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
I need some more info...but from what I am seeing all over the net and it is looking like this is a concerted effort to sort of close the case in a round about way. I believe (and this is still early as I am still figuring out what is totally happening) they may say an unidentified assailant has committed a crime with the help of Beth Holloway.

It seems that even some Dutch Congressmen are also pushing this new theory.

Like I said, I don't have all the info needed to make a definitive determination, but the early indications are something is very rotten and it looks like they may move on this new finding relatively soon.

Something horrible is cooking.

I disagree.  I agree that ARuba is trying to cover their asses but I don't think the KLPD will let them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 12, 2007, 01:33:21 AM
This is more than to counter Beth book in my opinion. Which I believe they could care less about.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 01:35:14 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
This is more than to counter Beth book in my opinion. Which I believe they could care less about.

Of course it's more than to counter Beth.  It's to get out in the media the reasons Aruba screwed up the investigation so bad.  That had "bad" information they believed.  They are covering their asses.  KLPD will come down real hard on Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 12, 2007, 01:35:40 AM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
I can't wait up.  I am so tired, I'm falling asleep at my computer... Rob,  I will check back for your response. I pray you are wrong.   I really feel they are cracking down on the corruption in Aruba, therefore making an honest effort in find out the truth.  Now wether they are abel to, after so much evidence disappearing is another story. But I do feel they are making an efffort.  I believe the Dutch, if nothing else, is making an effort to clean up that island.  Whether they succeed is another story.


I hope I'm wrong too... I don't like posting this stuff.

Even if the KLPD is completely on the up and up, there are some in Holland that are road blocking any progress and are prepared to make this case turn in a different direction.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 01:35:57 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "*******"
Wow you guys are up late..I see even the Robot is up :shock:


hi  8)


Hi Dude 8) Rob doesnt sound very optimistic in that last post..He needs some positive people...You know anyone.. 8)



LOL  :wink:  

he is smart, he might be on to something.

but i think there are two "parties"from aruba/dutch that want different outcomes

good and evil


good will win  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 01:36:25 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
This is more than to counter Beth book in my opinion. Which I believe they could care less about.


They are kinda early for that..They sure do hate Beth and Nacy Grace in Aruba.. :o  :x


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 01:37:14 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
This is more than to counter Beth book in my opinion. Which I believe they could care less about.

Of course it's more than to counter Beth.  It's to get out in the media the reasons Aruba screwed up the investigation so bad.  That had "bad" information they believed.  They are covering their asses.  KLPD will come down real hard on Aruba.


THEY HAVE NO CHOICE  8)

they either GET EM... or the ISLAND SINKS

simple as huckleberry pie

follow the money


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 01:37:40 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
I can't wait up.  I am so tired, I'm falling asleep at my computer... Rob,  I will check back for your response. I pray you are wrong.   I really feel they are cracking down on the corruption in Aruba, therefore making an honest effort in find out the truth.  Now wether they are abel to, after so much evidence disappearing is another story. But I do feel they are making an efffort.  I believe the Dutch, if nothing else, is making an effort to clean up that island.  Whether they succeed is another story.


I hope I'm wrong too... I don't like posting this stuff.

Even if the KLPD is completely on the up and up, there are some in Holland that are road blocking any progress and are prepared to make this case turn in a different direction.


Who?  Where are you getting this information?  Give us the links?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 01:38:44 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "*******"
Wow you guys are up late..I see even the Robot is up :shock:


hi  8)


Hi Dude 8) Rob doesnt sound very optimistic in that last post..He needs some positive people...You know anyone.. 8)



LOL  :wink:  

he is smart, he might be on to something.

but i think there are two "parties"from aruba/dutch that want different outcomes

good and evil


good will win  8)


LOL!! There ya go!! Has to be that way my brother!! After Joran's book came out it sealed his fate.. 8)


Title: Re: glad
Post by: IBE on July 12, 2007, 01:38:56 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "IBE"
Glad to hear about Monkeys who have stopped smoking and all those that wish to, I wish you encouragement.

Robots
I shut off the computer, spoke nicey, nicey to the tomatoes and came back to it. Safari, IE works now, Thanks! :lol:  :lol:  but still no site meter logo trying 4 browsers. With Netscape I used to get a dot where the link was supposed to be (no link there)

Klaas, thanks will look into that browser. Would you please, if OK, post the URL for the site meter??? I used to have fun looking at it and thinking about all the nice places that were listed.

When the ships arrive in Aruba, could we have a prayer day???


Here is the url for the site meter:

http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s20scaredmonkeys


Thanks!!! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 12, 2007, 01:39:12 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Rob"
This is more than to counter Beth book in my opinion. Which I believe they could care less about.


They are kinda early for that..They sure do hate Beth and Nacy Grace in Aruba.. :o  :x


*******, I'm not sure this even has anything to do with Beth's book...

I don't think they care one iota. This is not looking good imo...I hope to God I'm totally wrong here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 01:39:43 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "*******"
Wow you guys are up late..I see even the Robot is up :shock:


hi  8)


Hi Dude 8) Rob doesnt sound very optimistic in that last post..He needs some positive people...You know anyone.. 8)



LOL  :wink:  

he is smart, he might be on to something.

but i think there are two "parties"from aruba/dutch that want different outcomes

good and evil


good will win  8)


LOL!! There ya go!! Has to be that way my brother!! After Joran's book came out it sealed his fate.. 8)




good wins over EVIL

someone told me that once  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 12, 2007, 01:42:25 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
I can't wait up.  I am so tired, I'm falling asleep at my computer... Rob,  I will check back for your response. I pray you are wrong.   I really feel they are cracking down on the corruption in Aruba, therefore making an honest effort in find out the truth.  Now wether they are abel to, after so much evidence disappearing is another story. But I do feel they are making an efffort.  I believe the Dutch, if nothing else, is making an effort to clean up that island.  Whether they succeed is another story.


I hope I'm wrong too... I don't like posting this stuff.

Even if the KLPD is completely on the up and up, there are some in Holland that are road blocking any progress and are prepared to make this case turn in a different direction.


Who?  Where are you getting this information?  Give us the links?


I'll have to look for it again tomorrow... it's kinda late here and I don't know if I can find it now...

I saw it in a Dutch online newspaper earlier tonight and then went on a mission to see what I could find...I didn't save anything because I just just scanning and looking around.

I didn't intend to make an informative post on it, but after I thought about it, it looked like something is up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Rob on July 12, 2007, 01:44:48 AM
Well, I got to get to bed once this week before 3 am...

Good Night.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 01:45:05 AM
Rob - there are some Dutch publications and blogs that are twisting the Renfro/Dompig article in different directions....so what?  That means absolutely nothing, IMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 01:45:50 AM
Nite Rob


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 01:46:17 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Rob"
This is more than to counter Beth book in my opinion. Which I believe they could care less about.


They are kinda early for that..They sure do hate Beth and Nacy Grace in Aruba.. :o  :x


*******, I'm not sure this even has anything to do with Beth's book...

I don't think they care one iota. This is not looking good imo...I hope to God I'm totally wrong here.


This was not surprising at all..It is every bit as Idiotic and ridiculous as everything else we have seen in the last two years..I think the dutch nailed Anitas personal Info and the heat is on those people..This was them working as I agree with Robots/Klaas that the KLPD have another story to tell. Has to be that way because the stories they tell are easily shot down.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 01:46:20 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Well, I got to get to bed once this week before 3 am...

Good Night.


good night captain :wink:  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 01:48:15 AM
ARUBA going down


i think it will EARTH SHATTERING

and im serious


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IBE on July 12, 2007, 01:48:19 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
I need some more info...but from what I am seeing all over the net and it is looking like this is a concerted effort to sort of close the case in a round about way. I believe (and this is still early as I am still figuring out what is totally happening) they may say an unidentified assailant has committed a crime with the help of Beth Holloway.

It seems that even some Dutch Congressmen are also pushing this new theory.

Like I said, I don't have all the info needed to make a definitive determination, but the early indications are something is very rotten and it looks like they may move on this new finding relatively soon.

Something horrible is cooking.


Wasn't or isn't Paulus van der Sloot's brother part of the Dutch "Congress" and very active in one of the political parties there?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 01:54:34 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
Quote from: "Rob"
I need some more info...but from what I am seeing all over the net and it is looking like this is a concerted effort to sort of close the case in a round about way. I believe (and this is still early as I am still figuring out what is totally happening) they may say an unidentified assailant has committed a crime with the help of Beth Holloway.

It seems that even some Dutch Congressmen are also pushing this new theory.

Like I said, I don't have all the info needed to make a definitive determination, but the early indications are something is very rotten and it looks like they may move on this new finding relatively soon.

Something horrible is cooking.


Wasn't or isn't Paulus van der Sloot's brother part of the Dutch "Congress" and very active in one of the political parties there?


IBE - I think that turned out not to be true.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 01:55:00 AM
Certain people in Aruba are probably bribing people in Holland also..We know Oduber bribed a dirty lobbyist in the U.S..Will make no diffrence in the end as its a few connected people trying to save there ass...That media blitz by Renfro and AM was nothing more than public consumption...Sooner or later the momentum will swing and it will be devastating for the people trying to save there ass in Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IBE on July 12, 2007, 01:58:33 AM
"simple as huckleberry pie"

Save me a piece! please. We all need some encouragement in this.

Either way, the longer this goes on, the more Aruba's goose is cooked. Bad PR, no matter for whatever reason, is the knife into tourism for a city or country that relies on it! Ask LA after the riots? or even after an earthquake.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 01:59:42 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IBE on July 12, 2007, 02:02:51 AM
Thanks Klaas! Good night and good night all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 02:10:22 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
"simple as huckleberry pie"

Save me a piece! please. We all need some encouragement in this.

Either way, the longer this goes on, the more Aruba's goose is cooked. Bad PR, no matter for whatever reason, is the knife into tourism for a city or country that relies on it! Ask LA after the riots? or even after an earthquake.


Beth's book will be huuge and millions will see her on her book tour on National TV. I think Aruba has a few months to come clean or Aruban tourism is in big trouble!!!

Night All


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 12, 2007, 03:55:59 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
Quote from: "oldfart"

Port Valerie
Great work !!  You are on the road to posting Images everywhere :lol:

BTW
Your new AVI...
Is that something to do with the Winds of Change and Aruba ?


No, it has to do with the hurricane season down here. I'm getting ready. (Course, now I can change my outfits often cuz I know how to do it.)

I think maybe an avatar should be a person, even one hiding under a brown paper bag. Will try some more tomorrow.


Get in touch with AngieX... for create you own... that kinda / maybe looks like a person.
As far as "Winds of Change "  I know you have heard the music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5muLIq9PqUk
But do a Google on the song... when it came out & why...
Maybe... Just Maybe the 100,000 or so people will beome informed and take it to heart...  
JMO  of course
BTW... you do look  wind blown ...& lovely


Found the YouTube and the lyrics. Thank you, OF.

WIND OF CHANGE

Scorpions

I follow the Moskva
Down to Gorky Park
Listening to the wind of change

An August summer night
Soldiers passing by
Listening to the wind of change

The world is closing in
Did you ever think
That we could be so close, like brothers

The future's in the air
I can feel it everywhere
Blowing with the wind of change

Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow dream away
in the wind of change

Walking down the street
Distant memories
Are buried in the past forever

I follow the Moskva
Down to Gorky Park
Listening to the wind of change

Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow share their dreams
With you and me

Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow dream away
in the wind of change

The wind of change blows straight
Into the face of time
Like a stormwind that will ring
The freedom bell for peace of mind
Let your balalaika sing
What my guitar wants to say

Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow share their dreams
With you and me

Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow dream away
in the wind of change


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 12, 2007, 04:05:43 AM
good nite again


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: blah on July 12, 2007, 06:17:18 AM
my problem must be with either someones avatar, or with something in someones signature.  When only a few people have posted on a new page like this, I can get it to load.  I can get into other areas of the forum with no problems (political, off topic, etc..)

As soon as a new page gets a number of posts in it, i cant get it to load at all.  Also, sometimes when I get a page to load, i do not see any avatars, smileys, pics in signatures, etc..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 06:18:44 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
I can't wait up.  I am so tired, I'm falling asleep at my computer... Rob,  I will check back for your response. I pray you are wrong.   I really feel they are cracking down on the corruption in Aruba, therefore making an honest effort in find out the truth.  Now wether they are abel to, after so much evidence disappearing is another story. But I do feel they are making an efffort.  I believe the Dutch, if nothing else, is making an effort to clean up that island.  Whether they succeed is another story.


I hope I'm wrong too... I don't like posting this stuff.

Even if the KLPD is completely on the up and up, there are some in Holland that are road blocking any progress and are prepared to make this case turn in a different direction.


Who?  Where are you getting this information?  Give us the links?


I'll have to look for it again tomorrow... it's kinda late here and I don't know if I can find it now...

I saw it in a Dutch online newspaper earlier tonight and then went on a mission to see what I could find...I didn't save anything because I just just scanning and looking around.

I didn't intend to make an informative post on it, but after I thought about it, it looked like something is up.



Don't you have a history trail from which sites you were on?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 06:20:21 AM
Mornin Blah and Spooky  :)
Have a great day everyone.. Off to work I go !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: sharon on July 12, 2007, 07:47:59 AM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
I'm so pleased with myself! Figured out how to make a Photobucket album and change my avatar. Happy, happy, happy! Just like the rest of you.  :D


 :D

Cute avi for us Floridians -- from June 1 - Nov 1 at least  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: sharon on July 12, 2007, 07:59:09 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "wreck"

The FBI knows! They are awaiting the Dutch to do the right thing. The KLPD is NOT that stupid.



im with ya  8)


Wreck and Robots, I'm with you guys too.


We're in the same car on the train.

But I do believe the timing has to be 'right' before the info comes out. The silence is because it is part of something way bigger. No one can 'jeopardize' the something bigger. And I agree with klaas about what the 'something bigger' is. I hope it is not much longer. It may be.


Title: Morning
Post by: Leslie on July 12, 2007, 08:09:41 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
24ora
http://www.24ora.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 12, 2007, 08:18:06 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Greetings/Morning%20Aft%20Evening/thcoffeeanddonuts.gif)

GOOD MORNING!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 12, 2007, 08:21:29 AM
Quote from: "blah"
my problem must be with either someones avatar, or with something in someones signature.  When only a few people have posted on a new page like this, I can get it to load.  I can get into other areas of the forum with no problems (political, off topic, etc..)

As soon as a new page gets a number of posts in it, i cant get it to load at all.  Also, sometimes when I get a page to load, i do not see any avatars, smileys, pics in signatures, etc..


Blah,

Can you delete your Temporary Internet Files?  Do you have your Security Settings set that it is OK to download photos or pictures?

What kind of sucky computer are they trying to make you use!  And dumping cookies does always seem to help.  

Is it still loading OK after my avatar?  I wonder because this one is sort of large.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Peaches on July 12, 2007, 08:27:54 AM
Good morning.

Anna, you look MARVELOUS!

Blah, run disk clean up.  It always helps me.

Working and lurking.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 08:42:12 AM
I was just watching the CBS Morning show and they gave a couple from the Outer Banks, NC a free trip to Aruba.  Aruban spokes person Jaap Ellis was giving the trip away and American Airlines gave the free tickets.  Keep these friggin people out of our country.  I hope this couple comes back alive.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 08:44:42 AM
Good Morning Everyone


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 12, 2007, 08:48:30 AM
Morning, Peaches!

Blah, yeah what Peaches said plus Disc Defrag.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 12, 2007, 08:49:42 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
I need some more info...but from what I am seeing all over the net and it is looking like this is a concerted effort to sort of close the case in a round about way. I believe (and this is still early as I am still figuring out what is totally happening) they may say an unidentified assailant has committed a crime with the help of Beth Holloway.

It seems that even some Dutch Congressmen are also pushing this new theory.

Like I said, I don't have all the info needed to make a definitive determination, but the early indications are something is very rotten and it looks like they may move on this new finding relatively soon.

Something horrible is cooking.


Morning all!  I'm still catching up but this info is unbeleivable and totally unacceptable!  How could they think they could get away with involving Beth in this crime?????  I don't believe any of this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 08:50:33 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "blah"
my problem must be with either someones avatar, or with something in someones signature.  When only a few people have posted on a new page like this, I can get it to load.  I can get into other areas of the forum with no problems (political, off topic, etc..)

As soon as a new page gets a number of posts in it, i cant get it to load at all.  Also, sometimes when I get a page to load, i do not see any avatars, smileys, pics in signatures, etc..


Blah,

Can you delete your Temporary Internet Files?  Do you have your Security Settings set that it is OK to download photos or pictures?

What kind of sucky computer are they trying to make you use!  And dumping cookies does always seem to help.  

Is it still loading OK after my avatar?  I wonder because this one is sort of large.

.

I wonder if he is having a problem because certain Avatars are animated.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 12, 2007, 08:51:32 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I vote for Deepak.


Do you really think Deepak will turn on the same people that have covered up the crime, not possible. The only way to turn Deepak is to offer him immunity, the Dutch can't do that, and besides the coverup has already done that quite well.


I don't see how this is gonna be busted open... so I agree...this thing is buttoned up pretty tight at the moment.

After two years I can't see how a mystery door can be opened unless Tim finds Natalee... and if that happens they will all say Natalee was left on the beach...so I'm not very optimistic now...things could change in an instant if Natalee is found at sea. And the runaway crowd will evaporate.



Probably the 'runaway crowd' will then say the person (s) she ran away with put her in the ocean ....... freaks that they are  :roll:
They will always have an excuse that defames the truth.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 12, 2007, 08:58:39 AM
I'm to the point where I don't care what tales they spin as long as they return Natalie's body to her parents so they can finally have a wee bit of closure in this mess.  When I mentioned this to my husband he disagreed with me.  He thinks that, yes, they should return the body, but that someone needs to be held accountable.  What do you all think?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 12, 2007, 09:02:00 AM
Rob, please check your history folder or your address bar for those links to the sites you were looking at.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 09:04:27 AM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
I'm to the point where I don't care what tales they spin as long as they return Natalie's body to her parents so they can finally have a wee bit of closure in this mess.  When I mentioned this to my husband he disagreed with me.  He thinks that, yes, they should return the body, but that someone needs to be held accountable.  What do you all think?

Well I agree with your husband but we know they aren't going to hold anyone accountable.  So to see Beth have a little peace in knowing she got her daughter off that POS island and have a proper burial for her I would settle for that.  I still would bad mouth Aruba for the rest of my life and I hope the people who did this get what they deserve.  Especially Joran, Paulus and Anita Van der Sloot.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 12, 2007, 09:09:25 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
I'm to the point where I don't care what tales they spin as long as they return Natalie's body to her parents so they can finally have a wee bit of closure in this mess.  When I mentioned this to my husband he disagreed with me.  He thinks that, yes, they should return the body, but that someone needs to be held accountable.  What do you all think?

Well I agree with your husband but we know they aren't going to hold anyone accountable.  So to see Beth have a little peace in knowing she got her daughter off that POS island and have a proper burial for her I would settle for that.  I still would bad mouth Aruba for the rest of my life and I hope the people who did this get what they deserve.  Especially Joran, Paulus and Anita Van der Sloot.


I don't think the Van Der Sloots will ever have a normal life again.  Not that they had one before, but they will be turning their heads in shame for eternity and when they meet their maker, one by one, they will pay


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 12, 2007, 09:09:56 AM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
I'm to the point where I don't care what tales they spin as long as they return Natalie's body to her parents so they can finally have a wee bit of closure in this mess.  When I mentioned this to my husband he disagreed with me.  He thinks that, yes, they should return the body, but that someone needs to be held accountable.  What do you all think?



Some days I feel like you do, just give her back.  But other days I want to know exactly what happened and for whomever did it to be held accountable.  Then other days not even that is enough and I want those who participated in the obstruction and cover up to be held accountable as well.

This has gone on for so long, I am all over the place in how I feel about it.  But mostly I think it is too late to just suddenly return the remains, they won'd do that I don't think even if they could.  So might as well go for the full accountability by any and all involved who participated in any way at all.  Major justice after all this time.  They have had over 700 chances now.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 12, 2007, 09:11:38 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
I'm to the point where I don't care what tales they spin as long as they return Natalie's body to her parents so they can finally have a wee bit of closure in this mess.  When I mentioned this to my husband he disagreed with me.  He thinks that, yes, they should return the body, but that someone needs to be held accountable.  What do you all think?

Well I agree with your husband but we know they aren't going to hold anyone accountable.  So to see Beth have a litte peace in knowing she got her daughter off that POS island and have a proper burial for her I would settle for that.  I still would bad mouth Aruba for the rest of my life and I hope the people who did this get what they deserve.  Especially Joran, Paulus and Anita Van der Sloot.

If Aruba does not hold any PERSON(s) accountable -- we will always hold their TOURISM accountable.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Mere on July 12, 2007, 09:12:36 AM
Morning monkeys.... :D

Rob's statements...without any corroboration....are disturbing.  I think he owe's the forum some links.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 12, 2007, 09:15:24 AM
O/T
Peaches,

If you are still here, yesterday my son's father was taking him for day surgery at Emory because I am not to be trusted to drive in Atlanta and he is so much better at it.  Well, maybe not.

They had a car wreck, air bags deployed, totaled the car, etc.  Both OK but some facial trauma and bet they are going to be sore today.  An off duty fireman took them on to the hospital and son had surgery anyway!   :shock: Rather extensive surgery on veins in one leg.

Sometimes when we mamas worry, there is really good cause!  What next!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 12, 2007, 09:16:38 AM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Morning monkeys.... :D

Rob's statements...without any corroboration....are disturbing.  I think he owe's the forum some links.


I agree!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Anna on July 12, 2007, 09:32:44 AM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "MeMere"
Morning monkeys.... :D

Rob's statements...without any corroboration....are disturbing.  I think he owe's the forum some links.


I agree!


Yes, if true, this would be a very bad sign.  It would indicate the Dutch are just going to endorse whatever the Arubans say.  Interesting how they go from drugs to now the MedJet.

One excuse is about as good as another, I suppose.  This is very discouraging to hear but sometimes we read things totally wrong when trying to read a foreign language.  Sure hope that is the case.


Off to work before it is too hot. . . . . . .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 12, 2007, 09:49:53 AM
Could this be part of what Rob was saying?:  
IS THIS A RUMOR??????

seawolf

LEAKED INFO FROM MOUNTAIN BROOK THAT JORAN MET
SECRETLY WITH BETH AND HAS BASICALLY BLAMED THE
WHOLE DISSAPEARANCE OF NATALEE ON SATISH AND
DEEPAK......i cannot confirm this but came form a very very close the
situation source.......

That was posted at fob yesterday morning.  Those people over there are sick!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Mere on July 12, 2007, 10:06:18 AM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Could this be part of what Rob was saying?:  
IS THIS A RUMOR??????

seawolf

LEAKED INFO FROM MOUNTAIN BROOK THAT JORAN MET
SECRETLY WITH BETH AND HAS BASICALLY BLAMED THE
WHOLE DISSAPEARANCE OF NATALEE ON SATISH AND
DEEPAK......i cannot confirm this but came form a very very close the
situation source.......

That was posted at fob yesterday morning.  Those people over there are sick!


But, if you read this, would you believe this...?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 10:06:22 AM
Here is the latest from Natalee's Freebirds:


Aruba says the United States Government interfered with their investigation…………What is the Truth?

YOU BE THE JUDGE


It was quickly discovered by the family of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway that Aruban officials had arrested two innocent men in the early days of their investigation.

That fact was just as quickly broadcast over American airwaves, and the American public was baffled at the news.

That was simply the first questionable action undertaken by Aruba that was brought to the public’s attention, but it certainly wasn’t the last.

Since then, we have learned about evidence that was mishandled, thrown away, or that has simply disappeared once in the hands of Aruban investigators.

We’ve also learned how Aruba soft-balled the interrogations of the actual suspects in this case, and of highly questionable rulings by the judiciary involved.

These instances, combined with several others, eventually brought many to believe there were some less than honest people handling this case on Aruba.

Recently, two Aruban spokespeople, Julia Renfro and Gerold Dompig, gave interviews to a local Aruban newspaper, openly, and we believe falsely, accusing the United States Government of causing the problems in the Aruban investigation – up to and including US Vice President Dick Cheney.

We have also learned that an Aruban delegation in Miami who met with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice the first week of June attempted to convince her they were making good progress in this case, right after they falsely arrested the two innocent men on June 5, 2005.

Was it not enough that Aruban spokespeople have denigrated Natalee and her family for the past two years?

Was it not enough that Aruban officials failed to conduct a proper investigation into this matter?

Apparently not.

Now for some unfathomable reason, they are casting the blame and attacking the integrity of the United States Government.

Is protecting their tourism really this important?

Or is there something bigger at stake for Aruba that they are desperately trying to keep hidden?


1. Aruba accuses Condoleezza Rice of interfering in their investigation

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met with an Aruban delegation the night of June 5, 2005.


That date is a notorious one within the case of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway. June 5, 2005 was the date Aruban officials arrested two innocent, framed, black security guards for the disappearance of Ms Holloway


June 9, 2005 - Associated Press
Authorities in the Dutch Caribbean island can hold 30-year-old Nick John and 28-year-old Abraham Jones without filing formal charges for up to 116 days
The pair were arrested Sunday on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, the latter of which is invoked when kidnapping victim is killed.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/

Four days prior to that arrest, Aruban law enforcement and the prosecutor's office knew those two innocent men were nowhere near the Holiday Inn the night/morning of May 29/30th...........as they also knew neither was Natalee Holloway. Video surveillance footage viewed by them on June 1 2005 proved that tale to be false.

Yet by June 3, 2005 Aruban officials were setting up the security guards for a fraudulent arrest.


NANCY GRACE INTERVIEW JUNE 3, 2005

"SANCHEZ: I was monitoring a conversation not long ago with a lieutenant who is in charge of one of the investigations there in Aruba. And he said, and I’m going to quote him now, that he expected there could be arrests soon. And then he said that they expected to have some more news tomorrow."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/03/ng.01.html


Two days later, those arrests took place, and that same night Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber proceeded to lead his delegation in Florida with this tall tale to our own United States Secretary of State – Condoleezza Rice.

June 6th - In spite of these fraudulent arrests with no evidence, Judy Hassell had a massive search re-directed to a part of the island these guards resided in, and Aruban government employees were let off for the day to help.

June 6, 2005
The initial search idea called for an island wide effort, but later changed to focus on the southeastern area of Seroe Colorado and part of San Nicolas, police commander Judy Hassell said. San Nicolas is where the two charged men were arrested.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/06/national/main699807.shtml

Aruban spokesperson Julia Renfro stated on July 3, 2007 that Ms Rice interfered with the Aruban investigation to local Aruban newspaper Amigoe.

Did a US official interfere into Aruba’s “investigation”? Or was she deliberately deceived by the Aruban delegation in an effort to have her withdraw her support and concern from this case?


YOU BE THE JUDGE


Interview With Juan Carlos Lopez of CNN Espanol

Secretary Condoleezza Rice
Fort Lauderdale, Florida
June 6, 2005


QUESTION: Have you received any update on the case of Natalee Holloway in Aruba?

SECRETARY RICE: We are in constant contact. And I was able to thank the Aruban delegation here last night for the very good efforts that they are making. It's obviously a case about which we're very concerned and we're all watching and working and also praying that this will come out all right.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2005/47289.htm

What does this say about the knowledge of Aruban officals knowing the basis for these arrests was false? And yet they proceeded to expound this frame job? All the while lying to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice – after having arrested these innocent men, they proceeded to tell her they were making progress.

2. Aruba accuses the United States FBI of interfering in the Aruban investigation

Aruban Prosecutor
Authorities on the Dutch Caribbean island requested a special FBI diving team to search waters with rough currents, Aruba Attorney General Caren Janssen said.
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,158666,00.html

FBI Spokesperson
Seven FBI agents from Miami are in Aruba, including two divers and evidence collection and analysis experts, and one agent has come from Barbados, the spokesman said.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas...7/missing.teen/


Senator Spencer Bachus
U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.

"The circumstances were disturbing," said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI's involvement. "I can't get into it, but it's something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off."
http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/inde...4200.xml&coll=2


The first week of June 2005 brought an FBI diving team from the USA to Aruba, as per what appeared to be a "welcome" given by Aruban authorities to allow the FBI to participate in the "search" that Aruban officials felt was key in their investigation.

FBI spokesperson Judy Orihuela lets us know that the invitations and welcome Aruban officials extended to our FBI dive and search teams were merely a charade, as once they arrived on the island they were sidelined by local officials to merely roles of observers and advisors.


FBI Spokesperson
Aruban authorities also appealed for the FBI to send expert divers. The U.S. agency sent two search-and-rescue divers, but they never got in the water.

"They never had any information like: she could be in this place or that area," FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said. "That target would have come from the investigation of Aruban authorities because we can't investigate in a foreign country."

The decision not to dive was "bizarre," said Joe Huston, a rescue diver with Dickinson-based Texas EquuSearch. The volunteer group began a new search in Aruba on Saturday that included divers and sonar equipment.

"If her body was put in the ocean, there's a good chance now she'll never be found," Huston said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160701,00.html


June 9, 2005
FBI dive team has left the island,
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/09/missing.teen/index.html

Were our FBI personnel being strung along by Aruban officials as they were merely puppets in Aruba’s charade of cooperation and transparency for public consumption? It seems our FBI grew wise to the farce early on in this case.

Former Aruban Chief Gerold Dompig tells Aruban newspaper Amigoe on July 3, 2007 that not only were the FBI interfering in Aruba's investigation, but that they also issued threats to law enforcement and Aruba's prosecuting office.


"The American Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has systematically hindered the work of the police and the judiciary on Aruba in the investigation of the missing student Natalee Holloway.

“Myself and also the field officer of the justice department on Aruba (at that time the European-Dutch Karin Janssen ) not only had to deal with the enormous pressure from the FBI, who arrived on the island in no time, but we were also obstructed and even threatened.”
http://www.nu.nl/news/1139105/22/%27FBI_dwarsboomde_politie_Aruba_in_Holloway-zaak%27.html


Did our government officials interfere in the Aruban investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?

Or is the United States government once again being used as pawns in what will no doubt become another failed attempt to detract from the facts of this case?



YOU BE THE JUDGE

Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!

Natalee’s Freebirds


http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/condi_oduber.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 10:07:27 AM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Could this be part of what Rob was saying?:  
IS THIS A RUMOR??????

seawolf

LEAKED INFO FROM MOUNTAIN BROOK THAT JORAN MET
SECRETLY WITH BETH AND HAS BASICALLY BLAMED THE
WHOLE DISSAPEARANCE OF NATALEE ON SATISH AND
DEEPAK......i cannot confirm this but came form a very very close the
situation source.......

That was posted at fob yesterday morning.  Those people over there are sick!


IMO - this is BS.  Several "trolls" at FOB are toying with the FOB regulars.  This was actually originally posted about 2 weeks ago.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Peaches on July 12, 2007, 10:07:50 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
I'm to the point where I don't care what tales they spin as long as they return Natalie's body to her parents so they can finally have a wee bit of closure in this mess.  When I mentioned this to my husband he disagreed with me.  He thinks that, yes, they should return the body, but that someone needs to be held accountable.  What do you all think?

Well I agree with your husband but we know they aren't going to hold anyone accountable.  So to see Beth have a little peace in knowing she got her daughter off that POS island and have a proper burial for her I would settle for that.  I still would bad mouth Aruba for the rest of my life and I hope the people who did this get what they deserve.  Especially Joran, Paulus and Anita Van der Sloot.


Yeah, what San said.  

Just give Natalee back and then the whole island can sink into the sea for all I care.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 12, 2007, 10:24:28 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/7/12/

Quote
Atraco arma na Sero Alejandro
Doño di Supermarket y su famia a worde mara pa 3 ora largo


ORANJESTAD (AAN): For di banda di 9’or di anochi caba, un grupo di 3 atracador fuertemente arma a drenta tereno di famia L. biba na Sero Alejandro, unda a drenta cu forza y cu un revolver den man, mas dos arma estilo shotgun.

E famia cu ta propietario di Manbiu Supermarket na Savaneta a spanta y no por a haci nada mas. E atracadornan a apodera di nan, y a duna nan orden pa nan bay na suela. Aki a usa sea cabuya of waya pa mara e famia, pa asina e atracadornan por a bira “doño” di e hogar pa 3 ora largo. Uno di nan ta bisti na preto, e otro ta bisti na blauw-scur, y uno di nan tabatin un muts blanco riba cabez.

Asina oranan tabata pasa, mientras e atracadornan a bay reboltea henter e cas, garando tur prenda cu nan por haya. Tambe a pasa man pa hopi biyete di Florin, tambe Euro, y hasta a bay cu Renminbi, cu ta moneda di China.

Fuera di esey, nan a tuma tur nan pasenshi den e 3 oranan ey pa ranca tur waya, y desconecta 3 computer di marca Dell, color shinishi. Tur e tempo ey nan tabata pasa check e famia, si acaso nan ta bon mara ainda.

Nan a pasa man pa e yabi di un auto di marca BMW color shinishi cu number A-23823, habri e porta y baul, y pone tur loke nan a horta eyden.

Finalmente alrededor di 12’or di awe madruga, nan a bandona e cas, menazando e famia ainda. Nan a start e BMW, saca e vehiculo di cura di cas, y cu full speed a bay direccion pabao.

Algun minuut despues, famia a logra lucha y libera nan mes, pa asina bati alarma. Mesora polisnan riba caya a cuminza busca rond pa e vehiculo aki cu lo no por yega leu, como cu e tanki di gasolin ta basta empty. Atraco Team tambe a worde envolvi, y mesora a cuminza haci investigacion tecnico di e caso serio aki.


Online Pap Translation:

atraco arm at hill alejandro
owner of supermarket y his family owing to worde mara for 3 hour largo


oranjestad (aan): for of near of 9’or of night end, one are of 3 atracador strongly arm owing to enter territory of family l. live at hill alejandro, where owing to enter cu forza y cu one revolver in hand, more two arm style shotgun.

the family cu is propietario of manbiu supermarket at savaneta owing to spanta y not can owing to haci nothing more. the atracadornan owing to apodera of they, y owing to give they orden for they bay at floor. here owing to using as cabuya or wire for mara the family, for so the atracadornan can owing to become “doño” of the hogar for 3 hour largo. uno of they're dress at black, the another is dress at blauw-scur, y uno of they had one muts blanco on cabez.

so oranan was happen, while the atracadornan owing to bay reboltea all the cas, garando all jewel cu they can achieve. also owing to happen hand for much biyete of guilder, also euro, y even owing to bay cu renminbi, cu is moneda of china.

fuera of esey, they did take all they patience in the 3 oranan ey for ranca all wire, y desconecta 3 computer of mark dell, color grey. all the time ey they was happen check the family, if acaso they're good mara still.

they owing to happen hand for her key of one car of mark bmw color grey cu number a-23823, open the door y baul, y place all thing they owing to steal eyden.

finalmente alrededor of 12’or of today madruga, they owing to bandona the cas, menazando the family still. they owing to start the bmw, saca the vehiculo of cura of cas, y cu full speed owing to bay direccion pabao.

some minuut after, family owing to succeed struggle y libera they self, for so beat alarma. at once polisnan on caya owing to cuminza busca rond for her vehiculo here cu will not can arrive far, because; cu the tanki of gasolene is enough empty. atraco team also owing to worde envolvi, y at once owing to cuminza haci investigacion tecnico of the caso earnest here.

* * *

Quote
SENTENCIA TA CAY AWE, DEN CASO DI ATRACO RIBA
“LUCKY NUMBERS”


ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diahuebs den corte di prome instancia, huez ta bay duna su sentencia, den e caso den cual Kandy Carolina Rodriguez Salcero y Nelkis Ramon Garcia Chacon di Venezuela, a wordo acusa di a comete un atraco riba Lucky Numbers den Hendrickstraat, riba 20 di Maart.

Nan a wordo acusa di a uza un arma di candela y mara trahadornan den e lugar di bende number, despues di cual nan a bay cu un cantidad di placa.

Despues di algun pista, polis a logra haya sa unda e pareha aki tabata scondi y a drenta e apartamento.

Eyden nan a haya e pareha scondi den camber y nan a haya e tas cu placa y cadenanan cu nan a horta den e lugar di bende number.

Ademas di esaki nan a haya un arma di candela. Fiscal a exigi un castigo di 8 aña pa Chacon, mirando tambe su record di castigo y pa e muher el a pidi.


Online Pap translation:

sentencia is cay today, in caso of atraco on “lucky numbers”

oranjestad(aan): diahuebs in corte of first instancia, huez is bay give his sentencia, in the caso in cual kandy carolina rodriguez salcero y nelkis ramon garcia chacon of venezuela, owing to wordo acusa of owing to comete one atraco on lucky numbers in hendrickstraat, on 20 of march.

they owing to wordo acusa of owing to employ one arm of candela y mara trahadornan in the lugar of sell number, after of cual they owing to bay cu one cantidad of coin.

after of some pista, police owing to succeed achieve know where the pareha here was scondi y owing to enter the apartment.

eyden they owing to achieve the pareha scondi in camber y they owing to achieve the bag cu coin y cadenanan cu they owing to steal in the lugar of sell number.

apart from this they owing to achieve one arm of candela. fiscal owing to exigi one castigo of 8 year for chacon, mirando also his record of castigo y for her muher past owing to ask.

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On a slightly lighter note … dead fish thrown on Senior Roman Wever’s property. (Although of course I'm sure Mr. Wever did think of this as a "light note" ...

Quote
HENDENAN A TIRA RESTONAN DI PISCA MORTO, RIBA
PROPIEDAD DI OTRO

 
ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diaranzon DIARIO a entrevista Roman Wever, tocante di un molester cu el a experiencia.

Señor Wever a splica cu el a bay na su rancho cerca di Bucuti pa dedica algun rato na su nietonan y ora cu el a yega, el a haya un holo insoportable.

Ora cu el a wak bon, hendenan a tira restonan di pisca morto eynan. El a bisa cu esaki ta algo hopi lamentable y un acto di falta di respet pa propiedad di hende.

Pa colmo e tin famia ta yegando for di Hulanda cu ta bay pasa dia na e rancho y nan ta haya nan cu holo insoportable.

Segun señor Wever esaki no ta bon. Awor su subrino a yama D.O.W y SERLIMAR y nan a bisa cu nan lo bin na e sitio, pa yuda alivia a problema, mirando cu ta trata di un cantidad grandi di restonan di pisca morto.


Online Pap translation:

hendenan owing to throw restonan of pisca dead, on
property of another


oranjestad(aan): diaranzon daily paper owing to interview roman wever, tocante of one molester cu past owing to experiencia.

sir wever owing to splica cu past owing to bay at his rancho close of bucuti for dedica some rato at his nietonan y hour cu past owing to arrive, past owing to achieve one holo insoportable.

hour cu past owing to look at good, hendenan owing to throw restonan of pisca dead eynan. past owing to tell cu this is algo much lamentable y one acto of miss of respet for property of person.

for colmo the have family is yegando for of the netherlands cu is bay happen day at the rancho y they're achieve they cu holo insoportable.

according sir wever this do not good. now his nephew owing to calling d.o.w y serlimar y they owing to tell cu they will come at the sitio, for help alivia owing to problem, mirando cu is deal of one cantidad big of restonan of pisca dead.

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Can’t make much of this one, but seems like good information to have …

Quote
No por descarta cu nan ta bishitando Aruba!
GRUPO DI SICARIONAN COLOMBIANO TA HAYA COMO PREMIO
VIAHENAN “ALL INCLUSIVE” DEN CARIBE

 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Un informacion cu a hala nos atencion cu a sali publica den e corant “El Tiempo” di Colombia, ta indica cu na e pais suramericano aki tin un banda di sicarionan di Cali cu ta opera den ocho pais y na cual ta ser atribui por lo menos 200 asesinato na Colombia.

Na Cali, practicamente ta prohibi papia di e grupo aki, responsable di por lo menos 200 crimen den areanan di Valle, Bogotá y e zona productor di cofi. Segun e investigadornan, e banda aki ta ofrece nan servicionan na e mihor postor y ta confirma cu e grupo di sicarionan conoci como “Tres puntillas” of “La Negra” hopi biaha tambe ta viaha bay otro paisnan pa ehecuta nan actonan criminal.

El Tiempo, a señala cu pa haya pistanan relaciona cu e crimennan cu e grupo aki ta comete nan mester di e colaboracion di autoridadnan di por lo menos siete pais. Na Colombia, por ehemplo, e victimanan ta varia entre miembronan di varios clan di narcotrafico, agentenan di e servicio di inteligencia estatal, te hasta trahadornan di servicio domestico.

Te dia di awe, e fiscalia colombiano a localiza 101 victima, tur plenamente identifica. Pa ehecuta e tipo di crimennan aki, e grupo ta contrata un nomina di 30 homber, caminda 14 di nan ya caba a ser deteni y cera.

E corant ta indica tambe cu e persona cu ta na cabez di e banda criminal aki, tin estructura henter un payroll pa su trahadornan. Cu seguro, centronan vacacional, esaki a cambio di nan silencio.

Actualmente, e dirigente di e grupo y 13 sicario mas cu falta ainda pa captura, ta ser busca pa e delitonan di homicidio agrava, secuestro, extorsion, robo, narcotrafico, falsificacion di documentonan publico y priva, fraude procesal, entre otro.

Segun e fiscalia, varios di e victimanan di e “oficina di cobranza” aki mester wordo busca na Merca, Mexico, Spaña, Brasil, Venezuela, Ecuador y Panama, te na unda e delincuentenan ta viaha contrata pa e mafia y personanan particular cu ta paga pa anikila nan enemigonan sin laga ningun rastro.

Tin entendi, El Tiempo, a laga sa, cu e miembronan di e banda, e organizacion ta premia nan cu viahenan di placer den Caribe, cu tur cos paga. Esaki ta inclui hotelnan cinco strea pa nan y nan famia.

Esaki kiermen cu e sicarionan posiblemente ta cana rond na Aruba tambe sin cu ni un hende sa. E pregunta ta: Seguridad Nacional ta na altura di esaki?, ya cu no por descarta cu debi na e cercania di nos isla cu Colombia, e personanan aki lo por ta asigna pa realiza un “vakantie job” aki na Aruba.


Online Pap translation:

not can descarta cu they're bishitando aruba!
are of sicarionan colombiano is achieve because; premium
viahenan “all inclusive” in caribe


oranjestad (aan): one informacion cu owing to wing we atencion cu owing to leave publica in the corant “el tiempo” of colombia, is indica cu at the country suramericano here have one near of sicarionan of cali cu is opera in eight country y at cual is being atribui at least 200 asesinato at colombia.

at cali, practicamente is prohibi talk of the are here, responsable of at least 200 crimen in areanan of valle, bogotá y the sound productor of cofi. according the investigadornan, the near here is ofrece they servicionan at the mihor postor y is confirma cu the are of sicarionan conoci because; “tres puntillas” or “la negra” much trip also is viaha bay another paisnan for ehecuta they actonan criminal.

past tiempo, owing to señala cu for achieve pistanan relaciona cu the crimennan cu the are here is comete they have to of the colaboracion of autoridadnan of at least seven country. at colombia, can example, the victimanan is varia among miembronan of several clan of narcotrafico, agentenan of the servicio of inteligencia estatal, till even trahadornan of servicio domestico.

till day of today, the fiscalia colombiano owing to localiza 101 victima, all plenamente identifica. for ehecuta the type of crimennan here, the are is contrata one nomina of 30 man, caminda 14 of they already end owing to being deteni y close.

the corant is indica also cu the person cu is at cabez of the near criminal here, have estructura all one payroll for his trahadornan. cu seguro, centronan vacacional, this owing to cambio of they silencio.

actualmente, the dirigente of the are y 13 sicario more cu miss still for captura, is being busca for her delitonan of homicidio agrava, secuestro, extorsion, abstraction, narcotrafico, falsificacion of documentonan publico y priva, fraude procesal, among another.

according the fiscalia, several of the victimanan of the “oficina of cobranza” here have to wordo busca at merca, mexico, spain, brasil, venezuela, ecuador y panama, till at where the delincuentenan is viaha contrata for her mafia y personanan particular cu is pay for anikila they enemigonan without let none rastro.

have entendi, past tiempo, owing to let know, cu the miembronan of the near, the organizacion is premia they cu viahenan of placer in caribe, cu all cos pay. this is inclui hotelnan cinco stars for they y they family.

this kiermen cu the sicarionan posiblemente is march rond at aruba also without cu neither a know. the question ta: seguridad nacional is at height of this?, already cu not can descarta cu debi at the cercania of we island cu colombia, the personanan here will can is asigna for realiza one “vakantie job” here at aruba.

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 12, 2007, 10:36:56 AM
JMO,when Tim returns NAH,we will have a victory.When one of the guilty parties starts to die,and has time to think,a last confession will happen.It may take years,but it will happen.You don't go swimming in a weighted bag,IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 12, 2007, 10:53:20 AM
Great post from the Freebirds Klaas.

Good Morning Monkeys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 12, 2007, 10:57:55 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I see by the world map via the site meter that we have a viewer on from Thailand?


Hope it's not that perv... whathisname?


Just what I was thinking MARTEN.


Good Morning
I am way behind in reading, but had to respond to this.  Every time I hear Thailand, I get a visual of those beedy little eyes photo we found , and it grosses me out.  Marten VanDenBerg was his name right?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 10:58:36 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Could this be part of what Rob was saying?:  
IS THIS A RUMOR??????

seawolf

LEAKED INFO FROM MOUNTAIN BROOK THAT JORAN MET
SECRETLY WITH BETH AND HAS BASICALLY BLAMED THE
WHOLE DISSAPEARANCE OF NATALEE ON SATISH AND
DEEPAK......i cannot confirm this but came form a very very close the
situation source.......

That was posted at fob yesterday morning.  Those people over there are sick!


IMO - this is BS.  Several "trolls" at FOB are toying with the FOB regulars.  This was actually originally posted about 2 weeks ago.



TOTAL BULL CRAP


LOAD ALERT


MAJOR SCAM


WARNING


DANGER


TOTAL PACK OF LIES


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 10:59:49 AM
PAULUS IS a CRACK ADDICT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 11:03:12 AM
Posted on the front page of SM from a person in the Netherlands regarding the stolen KLPD laptop - what they say makes sense:

Anneke wrote:

Looks to me that the KLPD set a trap to catch criminals. Nobody ever heard of software like Lojack for laptops? Obviously the idiot Dominican crooks never did. The KLPD has this type of stuff as they lost or “lost” datacarriers that they retrieved later-on.

Apparantly they never were able to read the contents either as it all seems to be written in the slang of Dutch officialdom. So try to make sense of it with a background in English and/or Patois? It seems to be crime-fighting analysis which looks at the relevant resources in Aruba. The rest of this message only seems to appease.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 11:05:15 AM
here is the KICKER  8)

someone in ALE knows the "REAL TRUTH"  and my guess is they have
kept all kinds of copies of information

they will try and get "something" from others that have covered things up

as in BLACKMAIL


that is when the HAMMER DROPS

which is WHY the DUTCH are going to get them all

its better to have the HAMMER DROP and let the DUTCH look like the
GOOD GUYS


BET EVERYTHING
including the KITCHEN SINK  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 12, 2007, 11:09:03 AM
Quote
The decision not to dive was "bizarre," said Joe Huston, a rescue diver with Dickinson-based Texas EquuSearch. The volunteer group began a new search in Aruba on Saturday that included divers and sonar equipment.

"If her body was put in the ocean, there's a good chance now she'll never be found," Huston said. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160701,00.html


This is concerning with the news that Tim is returning to do a water search.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 11:12:39 AM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote
The decision not to dive was "bizarre," said Joe Huston, a rescue diver with Dickinson-based Texas EquuSearch. The volunteer group began a new search in Aruba on Saturday that included divers and sonar equipment.

"If her body was put in the ocean, there's a good chance now she'll never be found," Huston said. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160701,00.html


This is concerning with the news that Tim is returning to do a water search.

Not if she was put in a trap or container.  Dr. Baden said the water is cool enough and if she was in a container of some sort remains would be found.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Mere on July 12, 2007, 11:19:23 AM
Quote from: "robots"
here is the KICKER  8)

someone in ALE knows the "REAL TRUTH"  and my guess is they have
kept all kinds of copies of information

they will try and get "something" from others that have covered things up

as in BLACKMAIL


that is when the HAMMER DROPS

which is WHY the DUTCH are going to get them all

its better to have the HAMMER DROP and let the DUTCH look like the
GOOD GUYS


BET EVERYTHING
including the KITCHEN SINK  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Mere on July 12, 2007, 11:20:56 AM
Robots....sorry for that....I do think that person would be found hanging from a balcony with their hand in their pocket....if you had real information, would you try blackmail... :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 12, 2007, 11:21:08 AM
klaas - you need to check the Comments of the Sun-Sentinel article. Page 4.

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/TQHLISI1HSQRHTQMV/p4


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 12, 2007, 11:24:10 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote
The decision not to dive was "bizarre," said Joe Huston, a rescue diver with Dickinson-based Texas EquuSearch. The volunteer group began a new search in Aruba on Saturday that included divers and sonar equipment.

"If her body was put in the ocean, there's a good chance now she'll never be found," Huston said. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160701,00.html


This is concerning with the news that Tim is returning to do a water search.

Not if she was put in a trap or container.  Dr. Baden said the water is cool enough and if she was in a container of some sort remains would be found.


I hope he is right.  I suppose it depends how deep the water is, if she is found there.  I just this would start soon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 11:24:10 AM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Robots....sorry for that....I do think that person would be found hanging from a balcony with their hand in their pocket....if you had real information, would you try blackmail... :shock:


well, i see your point  :wink:  

but, there are ways to do it

like in the SPY movies
 8)


SEALED ENVELOPE sent to someone if somethign happens


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 12, 2007, 11:26:16 AM
I just got voice mail at home from TES apologizing for the delay in sending my Tshirt.  The lady said Tim Miller is out of the country and therefore unable to sign the shirt but as soon as he returns they’ll get it signed and shipped.

I hope that means he’s on his way to Aruba!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 12, 2007, 11:29:10 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - you need to check the Comments of the Sun-Sentinel article. Page 4.

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/TQHLISI1HSQRHTQMV/p4

OMG ~ this is outrageous ~  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 11:30:20 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - you need to check the Comments of the Sun-Sentinel article. Page 4.

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/TQHLISI1HSQRHTQMV/p4


Thanks for the heads up.  I copied it, flagged it as inappropriate about 20 times and emailed the Topix forum to have them remove it NOW.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 11:30:42 AM
amazing that all the  good work Tim Miller and his organization has done for years.

the only place that i know that has complained
is ARUBA


that alone should tell you something
 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 12, 2007, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - you need to check the Comments of the Sun-Sentinel article. Page 4.

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/TQHLISI1HSQRHTQMV/p4


Thanks for the heads up.  I copied it, flagged it as inappropriate about 20 times and emailed the Topix forum to have them remove it NOW.


Klaas,  it is disgusting what they write, but seeing as "charlierat" lost his blow up girlfriend partner,  we know who the f*tards are behind the bogus posts.  No matter what they say,  we still wub you in here :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Mere on July 12, 2007, 11:39:24 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "MeMere"
Robots....sorry for that....I do think that person would be found hanging from a balcony with their hand in their pocket....if you had real information, would you try blackmail... :shock:


well, i see your point  :wink:  

but, there are ways to do it

like in the SPY movies
 8)


SEALED ENVELOPE sent to someone if somethign happens


I like the sealed envelope.....hope the snitch is reading.... :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - you need to check the Comments of the Sun-Sentinel article. Page 4.

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/TQHLISI1HSQRHTQMV/p4


Thanks for the heads up.  I copied it, flagged it as inappropriate about 20 times and emailed the Topix forum to have them remove it NOW.


Klaas,  it is disgusting what they write, but seeing as "charlierat" lost his blow up girlfriend partner,  we know who the f*tards are behind the bogus posts.  No matter what they say,  we still wub you in here :wink:


They've been impersonating others besides me.  I've been flagging several that claimed to be TOM and other Monkeys.  They act like children.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Mere on July 12, 2007, 11:40:23 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - you need to check the Comments of the Sun-Sentinel article. Page 4.

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/TQHLISI1HSQRHTQMV/p4


Thanks for the heads up.  I copied it, flagged it as inappropriate about 20 times and emailed the Topix forum to have them remove it NOW.


This is like a topic gone wild.....and this is why I stay here most days....!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 11:44:16 AM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - you need to check the Comments of the Sun-Sentinel article. Page 4.

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/TQHLISI1HSQRHTQMV/p4


Thanks for the heads up.  I copied it, flagged it as inappropriate about 20 times and emailed the Topix forum to have them remove it NOW.


This is like a topic gone wild.....and this is why I stay here most days....!


It doesn't look as if the silliness is going to stop anytime soon. Maybe the paper should lock the topic to comments, and delete all the stupid ones that are there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 12, 2007, 11:44:58 AM
me to memere,  I try not to go "slumming" too much, but sometimes I can't help myself :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 12, 2007, 11:47:09 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - you need to check the Comments of the Sun-Sentinel article. Page 4.

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/TQHLISI1HSQRHTQMV/p4


That just proves charlierat's maturity level.  good god


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Mere on July 12, 2007, 11:49:18 AM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
me to memere,  I try not to go "slumming" too much, but sometimes I can't help myself :twisted:


memere to ms.....I used to hit four or five places a day....now I do housework or art..... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 12, 2007, 11:50:29 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - you need to check the Comments of the Sun-Sentinel article. Page 4.

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/TQHLISI1HSQRHTQMV/p4


Thanks for the heads up.  I copied it, flagged it as inappropriate about 20 times and emailed the Topix forum to have them remove it NOW.


Klaas,  it is disgusting what they write, but seeing as "charlierat" lost his blow up girlfriend partner,  we know who the f*tards are behind the bogus posts.  No matter what they say,  we still wub you in here :wink:


They've been impersonating others besides me.  I've been flagging several that claimed to be TOM and other Monkeys.  They act like children.


It is rather disgusting.  What a bunch of jerks


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 11:53:18 AM
i can sense something big is going to happen


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 12, 2007, 12:03:08 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"

They've been impersonating others besides me.  I've been flagging several that claimed to be TOM and other Monkeys.  They act like children.


Yes, but that's a valid email address, right? ICan you make the paper find out who posted it ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Mere on July 12, 2007, 12:03:16 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i can sense something big is going to happen


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:



are you a libra?   :D
you keep me upbeat...even without links... :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 12, 2007, 12:04:45 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "klaasend"

They've been impersonating others besides me.  I've been flagging several that claimed to be TOM and other Monkeys.  They act like children.


Yes, but that's a valid email address, right? ICan you make the paper find out who posted it ...


I would bet it was chucky, and if klaas can find out, that would be perfect to send to the bar assoc.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 12, 2007, 12:05:44 PM
Klaas, you may need an attorney to find out the isp # of that poster.  If so, I would gladly help with his fees!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 12:07:11 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "klaasend"

They've been impersonating others besides me.  I've been flagging several that claimed to be TOM and other Monkeys.  They act like children.


Yes, but that's a valid email address, right? ICan you make the paper find out who posted it ...

On a conference call right now.  I just want the post deleted.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Mere on July 12, 2007, 12:07:32 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "klaasend"

They've been impersonating others besides me.  I've been flagging several that claimed to be TOM and other Monkeys.  They act like children.


Yes, but that's a valid email address, right? ICan you make the paper find out who posted it ...


It looks like they pull actual locations unless you are an AOL person.  I did not see an email address....although I am a bit cross-eyed these days...!   :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 12:08:53 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "robots"
i can sense something big is going to happen


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:



are you a libra?   :D
you keep me upbeat...even without links... :D


 :wink:

im a robots  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 12, 2007, 12:14:53 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - you need to check the Comments of the Sun-Sentinel article. Page 4.

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/TQHLISI1HSQRHTQMV/p4


Thanks for the heads up.  I copied it, flagged it as inappropriate about 20 times and emailed the Topix forum to have them remove it NOW.


I saw that Klaas. There is also a fake post by *******...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 12, 2007, 12:15:33 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Klaas, you may need an attorney to find out the isp # of that poster.  If so, I would gladly help with his fees!


Me too. Go get 'em, girl.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 12, 2007, 12:24:44 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i can sense something big is going to happen


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


I think so, too, Robots. And I love your positive attitude. It's disheartening when people are fatalistic about the case. I do have hope in what the Dutch will find out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 12:27:57 PM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "robots"
i can sense something big is going to happen


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


I think so, too, Robots. And I love your positive attitude. It's disheartening when people are fatalistic about the case. I do have hope in what the Dutch will find out.


yep :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:

the BUNNY  (Angie911operaor)  is going to need to buy some CIGARS 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 12, 2007, 12:30:01 PM
Good afternoon,

My question about JP would be "why leave One Happy Island if things are so great there and for less money?"

I say PB be careful what you wish for....

Things that make you go hummmmmmmmmm....

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Hotshot on July 12, 2007, 12:32:07 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
I just got voice mail at home from TES apologizing for the delay in sending my Tshirt.  The lady said Tim Miller is out of the country and therefore unable to sign the shirt but as soon as he returns they’ll get it signed and shipped.

I hope that means he’s on his way to Aruba!!


Mine said outta state, and in about 3 days.  Just listened to it again after reading your post.  Can you listen again?  I am just really curious now.  TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Peaches on July 12, 2007, 12:37:27 PM
Can I still get an autographed TES shirt?    

I must've missed it when I was having surgery, etc.

Tim Miller is my hero.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 12:38:18 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Can I still get an autographed TES shirt?    

I must've missed it when I was having surgery, etc.

Tim Miller is my hero.


how bout a shirt signed by a robots ??

heheheheheheheh 8)  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 12:39:35 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Can I still get an autographed TES shirt?    

I must've missed it when I was having surgery, etc.

Tim Miller is my hero.


Peaches - print out this form.  The toll free number is on it and you can call.  As far as I know you can still get one:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/TEStshirtOrderForm.jpg


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 12, 2007, 12:41:23 PM
Several comments;one-the bar in Alabama knows,two-Katysmom,the answer is no,no,and last,Carnack says that the perps will crime again.Then some will talk,or others will brag.I think jvds can't help talking,and some crimes can be bargined off,others can't.Lastly(sorry Katy's Mom)dead men and women don't talk.Hell is forever,and I think the Dutch know what we did when some of their citizens had a bad thing happen in Fl,IIRC.Lastly,you can be forbidden to enter some countries for these acts without  a conviction.(Persona non Grata)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 12, 2007, 12:43:34 PM
Oh,and Beth does not still live in MNT Brook,anymore.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 12, 2007, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Oh,and Beth does not still live in MNT Brook,anymore.


It does not matter where Beth lives, does it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 12, 2007, 12:51:20 PM
No,it doesn't,but I wanted the dark side to be clear.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Peaches on July 12, 2007, 12:57:03 PM
TY, Klaas.

Got it.

Robots........ 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 12, 2007, 01:00:46 PM
Quote from: "San"
I was just watching the CBS Morning show and they gave a couple from the Outer Banks, NC a free trip to Aruba.  Aruban spokes person Jaap Ellis was giving the trip away and American Airlines gave the free tickets.  Keep these friggin people out of our country.  I hope this couple comes back alive.


What really pissed me off about it was just before they gave the trip away they showed peeps on the NC Beach Hang Gliding while music played.....FREEBIRD!!!!!!!I THOUGHT THAT WAS very cruel and tacky to do that just before giving a trip to Aruba away....ASSHOLES!!!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 12, 2007, 01:01:58 PM
oh and for the record,hi greta,jvds said he is a liar.thus if he said k2's did,go to the bank and bet on jvds.he admits he can't be trusted and lies,so i hope he  gets caught,and he will.if not on this case,some others.it is easy to find people who hate him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 01:03:54 PM
Quote from: "ospainter"
Good afternoon,

My question about JP would be "why leave One Happy Island if things are so great there and for less money?"

I say PB be careful what you wish for....

Things that make you go hummmmmmmmmm....

OS


I had read in his bio somewhere that he now has a child (?) My guess is he has decided that One Happy Island is not safe or condusive to raising a child.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 12, 2007, 01:04:09 PM
Hey Nut,now I don't watch that show and I told them.Oh well,we shall see,said the blind man,about the prospect of eternity.The K2's would rotting,if jvds told the truth.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 01:04:11 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "San"
I was just watching the CBS Morning show and they gave a couple from the Outer Banks, NC a free trip to Aruba.  Aruban spokes person Jaap Ellis was giving the trip away and American Airlines gave the free tickets.  Keep these friggin people out of our country.  I hope this couple comes back alive.


What really pissed me off about it was just before they gave the trip away they showed peeps on the NC Beach Hang Gliding while music played.....FREEBIRD!!!!!!!I THOUGHT THAT WAS very cruel and tacky to do that just before giving a trip to Aruba away....ASSHOLES!!!!!!!

I missed that part :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 01:07:38 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted on the front page of SM from a person in the Netherlands regarding the stolen KLPD laptop - what they say makes sense:

Anneke wrote:

Looks to me that the KLPD set a trap to catch criminals. Nobody ever heard of software like Lojack for laptops? Obviously the idiot Dominican crooks never did. The KLPD has this type of stuff as they lost or “lost” datacarriers that they retrieved later-on.

Apparantly they never were able to read the contents either as it all seems to be written in the slang of Dutch officialdom. So try to make sense of it with a background in English and/or Patois? It seems to be crime-fighting analysis which looks at the relevant resources in Aruba. The rest of this message only seems to appease.


Was that whole thing sometime ago about to women hanging around ALE offices a spoof, or was that true, and they could have been the ones that stole the laptop?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 01:08:24 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
oh and for the record,hi greta,jvds said he is a liar.thus if he said k2's did,go to the bank and bet on jvds.he admits he can't be trusted and lies,so i hope he  gets caught,and he will.if not on this case,some others.it is easy to find people who hate him.

This is how JVDS will tell what happened.  He will be bullshitting with one of his friends (if he hasn't done so already) and he will tell the whole story of what actually happened.  His friends will be like this :shock: .  When he is finished he will look at them and say he was only kidding and was lying when in fact what he told them will be the truth.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 01:08:27 PM
I'm trying out my new avatar from the site Angie gave us.

If it's too big, someone will tell me - right?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I'm trying out my new avatar from the site Angie gave us.

If it's too big, someone will tell me - right?  :lol:

You need to be a little shorter :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 12, 2007, 01:09:35 PM
Quote from: "Hotshot"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
I just got voice mail at home from TES apologizing for the delay in sending my Tshirt.  The lady said Tim Miller is out of the country and therefore unable to sign the shirt but as soon as he returns they’ll get it signed and shipped.

I hope that means he’s on his way to Aruba!!


Mine said outta state, and in about 3 days.  Just listened to it again after reading your post.  Can you listen again?  I am just really curious now.  TIA

Hotty - You're right.  I listened again and it did say 'outta state'.  Didn't say anything about 3 days and evidently I got caught up in some very wishful thinking.  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 12, 2007, 01:12:38 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I'm trying out my new avatar from the site Angie gave us.

If it's too big, someone will tell me - right?  :lol:


Very cute BT - love the outfit.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 12, 2007, 01:12:52 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "ospainter"
Good afternoon,

My question about JP would be "why leave One Happy Island if things are so great there and for less money?"

I say PB be careful what you wish for....

Things that make you go hummmmmmmmmm....

OS


I had read in his bio somewhere that he now has a child (?) My guess is he has decided that One Happy Island is not safe or condusive to raising a child.


yea, that would do it, especially if you are on the inside and know the fungus living there...Oh but wait, he is part of the fungus...go figure..

OS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I'm trying out my new avatar from the site Angie gave us.

If it's too big, someone will tell me - right?  :lol:

You need to be a little shorter :lol:


LOL  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/BTshorter.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 01:13:30 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I'm trying out my new avatar from the site Angie gave us.

If it's too big, someone will tell me - right?  :lol:

You need to be a little shorter :lol:


I can tell it's too big, but when I tell photobuck to make it be avatar size, it's so tiny I can't see it.  :?

I think I might need to go back to the cow dogs for now.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 01:13:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I'm trying out my new avatar from the site Angie gave us.

If it's too big, someone will tell me - right?  :lol:

You need to be a little shorter :lol:


LOL  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/BTshorter.gif)

Perfect :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Mere on July 12, 2007, 01:14:18 PM
Klaas...were you able to resolve the problem?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 12, 2007, 01:14:43 PM
With all the recent BS articles, all out attacks, etc.--- Does the term:

"SCORCHED EARTH"
ring a bell?????

They all know the "jig is up"!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 12, 2007, 01:15:04 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "Rob"
I need some more info...but from what I am seeing all over the net and it is looking like this is a concerted effort to sort of close the case in a round about way. I believe (and this is still early as I am still figuring out what is totally happening) they may say an unidentified assailant has committed a crime with the help of Beth Holloway.

It seems that even some Dutch Congressmen are also pushing this new theory.

Like I said, I don't have all the info needed to make a definitive determination, but the early indications are something is very rotten and it looks like they may move on this new finding relatively soon.

Something horrible is cooking.


Morning all!  I'm still catching up but this info is unbeleivable and totally unacceptable!  How could they think they could get away with involving Beth in this crime?????  I don't believe any of this.


I feel a huge 'SET UP' coming on. (http://bestsmileys.com/angry2/10.gif) WTF are they doing, paying some poor mofo' to say he/she helped Beth get rid of Natalee so they can shut this case down and frame the Family to boot??? IF THAT HAPPENS you can bet your last $ that whom ever they have suckerded into doing such a thing will be paid....then back on the streets in no time. THIS PISSES ME OFF!! I am ready for WAR!!!!!!!! (http://bestsmileys.com/angry2/9.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 01:15:22 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
With all the recent BS articles, all out attacks, etc.--- Does the term:

"SCORCHED EARTH"
ring a bell?????

They all know the "jig is up"!


sure does


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 01:16:10 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Klaas...were you able to resolve the problem?

No, the post is still there.  I have another conference call in a few minutes.  I'll work on the problem at the Topix forum later.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 01:17:38 PM
Okay, I'm trying Klaas's squished avatar to see if it's still too big.  :lol:

Somebody pleeeeeeeeze help me if it is.  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: ospainter on July 12, 2007, 01:19:01 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Okay, I'm trying Klaas's squished avatar to see if it's still too big.  :lol:

Somebody pleeeeeeeeze help me if it is.  :oops:


Perfect


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 01:20:21 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Okay, I'm trying Klaas's squished avatar to see if it's still too big.  :lol:

Somebody pleeeeeeeeze help me if it is.  :oops:


Try this one

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/BTshorter-1.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 01:20:22 PM
in the Dark Corridors in Aruba

OVERHEARD by a ROBOTS with tremendous hearing

"damn it.. damn it... our tourism is in the tank. nothing has worked
we have tried everything, LIES, FABRICATIONS, RIDICULOUS IDEAS,
BLAMING OTHERS" what do we do NOW??



how about PROSECUTING THE GUILTY PIGS  


for a start... then


CLEAN UP YOUR ISLAND from HELL and if youre LUCKY
in 3-5 years you will tourists again


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 01:20:43 PM
Quote from: "ospainter"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Okay, I'm trying Klaas's squished avatar to see if it's still too big.  :lol:

Somebody pleeeeeeeeze help me if it is.  :oops:


Perfect


Phew!!!! I didn't want to be put in the time out chair.  :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 01:21:12 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Okay, I'm trying Klaas's squished avatar to see if it's still too big.  :lol:

Somebody pleeeeeeeeze help me if it is.  :oops:


Try this one

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/BTshorter-1.gif)


Okay, will do. Thanks!!!!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 12, 2007, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Hotshot"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
I just got voice mail at home from TES apologizing for the delay in sending my Tshirt.  The lady said Tim Miller is out of the country and therefore unable to sign the shirt but as soon as he returns they’ll get it signed and shipped.

I hope that means he’s on his way to Aruba!!


Mine said outta state, and in about 3 days.  Just listened to it again after reading your post.  Can you listen again?  I am just really curious now.  TIA

Hotty - You're right.  I listened again and it did say 'outta state'.  Didn't say anything about 3 days and evidently I got caught up in some very wishful thinking.  :cry:


Well, Aruba is outta state!  Remember Tim said he didn't always want the media around, so I don't think he would leave a message for just anyone to hear telling them where he actually is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 01:26:35 PM
How is this one Klaas?

Actually, it looks a fair amount like me, except my face is not that perfect and pretty.  :lol:

It does look somewhat like my little stubby self, though - the hair is very similar, and that does look like something I'd wear.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
How is this one Klaas?

Actually, it looks a fair amount like me, except my face is not that perfect and pretty.  :lol:

It does look somewhat like my little stubby self, though - the hair is very similar, and that does look like something I'd wear.


Perfect!  I just removed some of the extra background to make the size smaller.  To make you shorter I resized without restraining proportions in Image Ready.  Unfortunately, that makes you shorter and heavier looking than the original  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
How is this one Klaas?

Actually, it looks a fair amount like me, except my face is not that perfect and pretty.  :lol:

It does look somewhat like my little stubby self, though - the hair is very similar, and that does look like something I'd wear.


Perfect!  I just removed some of the extra background to make the size smaller.  To make you shorter I resized without restraining proportions in Image Ready.  Unfortunately, that makes you shorter and heavier looking than the original  :wink:


That's okay, shorter and heavier looks a lot more like the real me.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 12, 2007, 01:34:45 PM
Here's the thing:

The American public is not going to believe all these outlandish stories
and accusations against the Holloway family and FBI.

Who cares if Arubans buy into it? American tourists won't.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 12, 2007, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Here's the thing:

The American public is not going to believe all these outlandish stories
and accusations against the Holloway family and FBI.

Who cares if Arubans buy into it? American tourists won't.


Some will, but most won't. They've always tried to play us for a bunch of fools, thinking we'll buy the BS they are peddling...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 12, 2007, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
How is this one Klaas?

Actually, it looks a fair amount like me, except my face is not that perfect and pretty.  :lol:

It does look somewhat like my little stubby self, though - the hair is very similar, and that does look like something I'd wear.


Where is this cute site?  I want to play too!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 12, 2007, 01:39:03 PM
Hi monkeys...busy today but I wanted post an O/T real quick about my Daughter's birthday cake that her best friend had made for her.  It was so sweet, she took photos of when she was growing up and all through high school and even her senior prom and had them put them in a collage and then decorated the cake with them. Reminded me of some of Nonesy's cookies I have seen.  I almost cried. It was so cute seeing all those different times in her life again.  Now to get back on topic.  I need to see if that avatar site has any for senior citizen bodies.  I will need gray hair too. I earned every one of them. LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 12, 2007, 01:39:38 PM
BT, do you have a link to Angie's avatars?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 12, 2007, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Here's the thing:

The American public is not going to believe all these outlandish stories
and accusations against the Holloway family and FBI.

Who cares if Arubans buy into it? American tourists won't.


That's right and to try and link Beth into a scam of some type...I say go for it.  It will only pound another nail in the coffin of Aruba.  Those people are complete idiots!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 01:40:48 PM
Quote from: "JuJu"
BT, do you have a link to Angie's avatars?


http://s12.photobucket.com/meez/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 01:41:27 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Hi monkeys...busy today but I wanted post an O/T real quick about my Daughter's birthday cake that her best friend had made for her.  It was so sweet, she took photos of when she was growing up and all through high school and even her senior prom and had them put them in a collage and then decorated the cake with them. Reminded me of some of Nonesy's cookies I have seen.  I almost cried. It was so cute seeing all those different times in her life again.  Now to get back on topic.  I need to see if that avatar site has any for senior citizen bodies.  I will need gray hair too. I earned every one of them. LOL


Lala's - that is really sweet. What a great friend your daughter has!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 01:42:11 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
With all the recent BS articles, all out attacks, etc.--- Does the term:

"SCORCHED EARTH"
ring a bell?????

They all know the "jig is up"!


Are you filling in for Robots?  :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 12, 2007, 01:42:51 PM
THANK YOU BT!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: "JuJu"
THANK YOU BT!!!


YW  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 12, 2007, 01:52:57 PM
I want to play on that cute site, too. Do they have anything resembling a pregnant girl?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
I want to play on that cute site, too. Do they have anything resembling a pregnant girl?


As a matter of fact, I think I did see one there.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 12, 2007, 01:55:13 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
I want to play on that cute site, too. Do they have anything resembling a pregnant girl?


As a matter of fact, I think I did see one there.  :D


Cute! Where's the link?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 12, 2007, 01:55:36 PM
klaas - I think that post is gone.

BT - I posted something for you in the Lounge in your thread about that wedding ....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 02:00:34 PM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
I want to play on that cute site, too. Do they have anything resembling a pregnant girl?


As a matter of fact, I think I did see one there.  :D


Cute! Where's the link?


http://s12.photobucket.com/meez/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 02:01:03 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - I think that post is gone.

BT - I posted something for you in the Lounge in your thread about that wedding ....


Thanks, Ms. Marple!

I will take a look.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 12, 2007, 02:01:59 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Here's the thing:

The American public is not going to believe all these outlandish stories
and accusations against the Holloway family and FBI.

Who cares if Arubans buy into it? American tourists won't.


That's right and to try and link Beth into a scam of some type...I say go for it.  It will only pound another nail in the coffin of Aruba.  Those people are complete idiots!


They are truly pathetic to think that blaming Beth or making Natalee look bad is going to make Aruba look better. Idiots!

The only way Aruba will look better to US tourists is
for Aruba to do the right thing and jail the perp(s) who killed Natalee.

TO LOOK BETTER, ARUBA NEEDS TO DO THE RIGHT THING


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on July 12, 2007, 02:07:34 PM
Since everyone is changing avatars, I couldn't resist using a pic of my favorite Beatle, who had the best hair of the Fab Four!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 02:09:38 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Since everyone is changing avatars, I couldn't resist using a pic of my favorite Beatle, who had the best hair of the Fab Four!


 :D  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 02:15:44 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - I think that post is gone.

BT - I posted something for you in the Lounge in your thread about that wedding ....

Thanks..I'll check too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on July 12, 2007, 02:22:56 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
I want to play on that cute site, too. Do they have anything resembling a pregnant girl?


As a matter of fact, I think I did see one there.  :D


Cute! Where's the link?


http://s12.photobucket.com/meez/


Thank you, BT--when I saw this posted above I didn't realize it was the link I was looking for. I had no idea photobucket offered anything like that!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 02:24:45 PM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
I want to play on that cute site, too. Do they have anything resembling a pregnant girl?


(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/pregnant_woman.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 02:31:19 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
klaas - I think that post is gone.

BT - I posted something for you in the Lounge in your thread about that wedding ....

Thanks..I'll check too.


Klaas - that's perfect. Love the bouncing doggie!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 12, 2007, 02:34:10 PM
I have to do some catching up but ... could somebody please tell me what is going on with all the changed avatars?  I do not know you guys/gals anymore.   :cry:

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 12, 2007, 02:36:15 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Since everyone is changing avatars, I couldn't resist using a pic of my favorite Beatle, who had the best hair of the Fab Four!


Also wrote my No. 1 fave Beatle song - "Something." (And yes, I know, it's hard to pick a No. 1 ... )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 12, 2007, 02:38:24 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
I have to do some catching up but ... could somebody please tell me what is going on with all the changed avatars?  I do not know you guys/gals anymore.   :cry:

Janet


I am having that problem too! (And am part of the problem!)

I *think* the idea was to confuse klass when she came back from LV, but of course there's no confusing klass ...

I probably will change back to my monkey orchids, but am enjoying seeing this iteration of Miss Marple for the moment.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 02:39:13 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
I have to do some catching up but ... could somebody please tell me what is going on with all the changed avatars?  I do not know you guys/gals anymore.   :cry:

Janet


A bunch of us decided to change them to surprise Klaas when she returned from Las Vegas. Then...well...I think we were having so much fun we couldn't stop.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Mere on July 12, 2007, 02:43:06 PM
Tamikosmom....it's me...Mere....but I will be going to the opthalmologist soon.... :)

The other thought....wouldn't it be awful if I died and this would be my
avatar forever..... :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 12, 2007, 02:43:19 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
I have to do some catching up but ... could somebody please tell me what is going on with all the changed avatars?  I do not know you guys/gals anymore.   :cry:

Janet


A bunch of us decided to change them to surprise Klaas when she returned from Las Vegas. Then...well...I think we were having so much fun we couldn't stop.  :lol:


 :shock:

I think there is a verse in the Bible that implies you are all going to be struck by lightning for what you are doing and ... Tamikosmom is not about to take that chance.  Anyways ... she is nothing with her ducky.   :lol:

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 02:44:25 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Tamikosmom....it's me...Mere....but I will be going to the opthalmologist soon.... :)

The other thought....wouldn't it be awful if I died and this would be my
avatar forever..... :shock:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I think I will probably hang on to my girly avatar for while because she does sort of remind me of myself - particularly around the pudgy little thighs.  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 02:44:49 PM
Janet - don't worry, I'll change back to my normal self soon.  I don't feel right with the different avatars after using the same one for over 2 years.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 12, 2007, 02:50:00 PM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
I want to play on that cute site, too. Do they have anything resembling a pregnant girl?
Yes


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: mishy on July 12, 2007, 02:50:09 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
I have to do some catching up but ... could somebody please tell me what is going on with all the changed avatars?  I do not know you guys/gals anymore.   :cry:

Janet


I don't know what's going on either, but just thought I'd follow suit...I hope you keep yours, though...it is the greatest! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 12, 2007, 02:52:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Janet - don't worry, I'll change back to my normal self soon.  I don't feel right with the different avatars after using the same one for over 2 years.


Anna ... I mean Klaas ... I do not have time to catch up right now so ... tell me quick ... did you win "sacks of money" on your Vegas trip?  Did you have a good time and ... is your son and daughter-in-law alright after their ordeal.  Sometimes the owies set in a day later.

Have a good day Monkeys in disguise.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 02:57:39 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Janet - don't worry, I'll change back to my normal self soon.  I don't feel right with the different avatars after using the same one for over 2 years.


Anna ... I mean Klaas ... I do not have time to catch up right now so ... tell me quick ... did you win "sacks of money" on your Vegas trip?  Did you have a good time and ... is your son and daughter-in-law alright after their ordeal.  Sometimes the owies set in a day later.

Have a good day Monkeys in disguise.

Janet

No sacks of money but did have a great time with my son and daughter in law.  They were fine after their ordeal, thanks for asking.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 12, 2007, 03:00:47 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Tamikosmom....it's me...Mere....but I will be going to the opthalmologist soon.... :)

The other thought....wouldn't it be awful if I died and this would be my
avatar forever..... :shock:


It truly would ... change it quickly!!!

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 03:00:58 PM
O/T

ILLINOIS COPS READY TO NAME CRAIG STEBIC AS A 'PERSON OF INTEREST' IN THEIR INVESTIGATION OF HIS WIFE'S DISAPPEARANCE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 03:02:54 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
I have to do some catching up but ... could somebody please tell me what is going on with all the changed avatars?  I do not know you guys/gals anymore.   :cry:

Janet


Some of us thought that when Klaas was away it would be interedsting/funny to change up all out avatars and make her think she was in the twilight zone?....or at least lost. It was nice to have a change so some of them stuck..........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 03:04:47 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
I have to do some catching up but ... could somebody please tell me what is going on with all the changed avatars?  I do not know you guys/gals anymore.   :cry:

Janet


Some of us thought that when Klaas was away it would be interedsting/funny to change up all out avatars and make her think she was in the twilight zone?....or at least lost. It was nice to have a change so some of them stuck..........



I might add she didn't even blink and when she first signed on after being away  ......SHE TOO HAD CHANGED HERS!  :scratch: :smt045


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 12, 2007, 03:07:28 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
I have to do some catching up but ... could somebody please tell me what is going on with all the changed avatars?  I do not know you guys/gals anymore.   :cry:

Janet


Some of us thought that when Klaas was away it would be interedsting/funny to change up all out avatars and make her think she was in the twilight zone?....or at least lost. It was nice to have a change so some of them stuck..........



I might add she didn't even blink and when she first signed on after being away  ......SHE TOO HAD CHANGED HERS!  :scratch: :smt045


bb ... that is soo funny.   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 12, 2007, 03:07:33 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
I have to do some catching up but ... could somebody please tell me what is going on with all the changed avatars?  I do not know you guys/gals anymore.   :cry:

Janet


Some of us thought that when Klaas was away it would be interedsting/funny to change up all out avatars and make her think she was in the twilight zone?....or at least lost. It was nice to have a change so some of them stuck..........



I might add she didn't even blink and when she first signed on after being away  ......SHE TOO HAD CHANGED HERS!  :scratch: :smt045


It's hard to put anything over on Klaas


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 03:07:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T

ILLINOIS COPS READY TO NAME CRAIG STEBIC AS A 'PERSON OF INTEREST' IN THEIR INVESTIGATION OF HIS WIFE'S DISAPPEARANCE

And that news reporter who was caught swimming in his pool.  What the hell was she thinking.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Sue on July 12, 2007, 03:12:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T

ILLINOIS COPS READY TO NAME CRAIG STEBIC AS A 'PERSON OF INTEREST' IN THEIR INVESTIGATION OF HIS WIFE'S DISAPPEARANCE



It is about time, they wasted enough time


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 03:13:54 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
I want to play on that cute site, too. Do they have anything resembling a pregnant girl?
Yes


You all are making me feel like I am in the Monkey version of the Sims. :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T

ILLINOIS COPS READY TO NAME CRAIG STEBIC AS A 'PERSON OF INTEREST' IN THEIR INVESTIGATION OF HIS WIFE'S DISAPPEARANCE

And that news reporter who was caught swimming in his pool.  What the hell was she thinking.


She said she was trying to get an inside scoop? WTF? NOT!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 03:19:09 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T

ILLINOIS COPS READY TO NAME CRAIG STEBIC AS A 'PERSON OF INTEREST' IN THEIR INVESTIGATION OF HIS WIFE'S DISAPPEARANCE

And that news reporter who was caught swimming in his pool.  What the hell was she thinking.


She said she was trying to get an inside scoop? WTF? NOT!!!

Some people are just nuts.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Mere on July 12, 2007, 03:21:31 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T

ILLINOIS COPS READY TO NAME CRAIG STEBIC AS A 'PERSON OF INTEREST' IN THEIR INVESTIGATION OF HIS WIFE'S DISAPPEARANCE

And that news reporter who was caught swimming in his pool.  What the hell was she thinking.


She said she was trying to get an inside scoop? WTF? NOT!!!

Some people are just nuts.


...and didn't she have her kids with her????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 12, 2007, 03:21:52 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
I want to play on that cute site, too. Do they have anything resembling a pregnant girl?
Yes


You all are making me feel like I am in the Monkey version of the Sims. :?


LOL.  Does feel like that doesn't it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 03:24:10 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T

ILLINOIS COPS READY TO NAME CRAIG STEBIC AS A 'PERSON OF INTEREST' IN THEIR INVESTIGATION OF HIS WIFE'S DISAPPEARANCE

And that news reporter who was caught swimming in his pool.  What the hell was she thinking.


She said she was trying to get an inside scoop? WTF? NOT!!!

Some people are just nuts.


...and didn't she have her kids with her????


Yea! She said it was her day off and she was taking her kids swimming, and ran into Stebic's sister who then invited them swimming, so she thought she could combine "being with her kids and doing some work".


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 03:29:47 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T

ILLINOIS COPS READY TO NAME CRAIG STEBIC AS A 'PERSON OF INTEREST' IN THEIR INVESTIGATION OF HIS WIFE'S DISAPPEARANCE

And that news reporter who was caught swimming in his pool.  What the hell was she thinking.


She said she was trying to get an inside scoop? WTF? NOT!!!

Some people are just nuts.


...and didn't she have her kids with her????


Yea! She said it was her day off and she was taking her kids swimming, and ran into Stebic's sister who then invited them swimming, so she thought she could combine "being with her kids and doing some work".

She puts her kids in danger and takes the to a murderers house.  Was it take your kids to work day :roll: .  I'm glad she was fired.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 12, 2007, 03:32:32 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"


Yea! She said it was her day off and she was taking her kids swimming, and ran into Stebic's sister who then invited them swimming, so she thought she could combine "being with her kids and doing some work".

She puts her kids in danger and takes the to a murderers house.  Was it take your kids to work day :roll: .  I'm glad she was fired.


Very poor judgement.  I am sure since she had been working on the story she had an idea it could be dangerous.  Goes to show there are fruitcakes everywhere.  I'm glad she was fired too San


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 12, 2007, 03:34:16 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T

ILLINOIS COPS READY TO NAME CRAIG STEBIC AS A 'PERSON OF INTEREST' IN THEIR INVESTIGATION OF HIS WIFE'S DISAPPEARANCE

And that news reporter who was caught swimming in his pool.  What the hell was she thinking.


She said she was trying to get an inside scoop? WTF? NOT!!!


Man did she screw up!  Was she setup?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 12, 2007, 03:36:46 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"


Yea! She said it was her day off and she was taking her kids swimming, and ran into Stebic's sister who then invited them swimming, so she thought she could combine "being with her kids and doing some work".

She puts her kids in danger and takes the to a murderers house.  Was it take your kids to work day :roll: .  I'm glad she was fired.


Very poor judgement.  I am sure since she had been working on the story she had an idea it could be dangerous.  Goes to show there are fruitcakes everywhere.  I'm glad she was fired too San


Last night even the guy that opened Al Capone's vault said she should have been fired. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MsVada on July 12, 2007, 03:37:03 PM
maybe there was more than just an interview between them.  Maybe some extracurricular activities between them so she felt safe to bring the kids along, because she knows him ....who knows,  definately a fruitcake


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 12, 2007, 03:41:39 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
maybe there was more than just an interview between them.  Maybe some extracurricular activities between them so she felt safe to bring the kids along, because she knows him ....who knows,  definately a fruitcake


I bet at one point Lisa felt safe around him too.  Jacobson knew better.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 03:44:39 PM
Hi Easy.

Did you see the new me?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 12, 2007, 03:48:57 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Hi Easy.

Did you see the new me?  :lol:


You shouldn't use real pictures of yourself on this forum!   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 03:49:40 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Hi Easy.

Did you see the new me?  :lol:


You shouldn't use real pictures of yourself on this forum!   :shock:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 12, 2007, 03:50:01 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
maybe there was more than just an interview between them.  Maybe some extracurricular activities between them so she felt safe to bring the kids along, because she knows him ....who knows,  definately a fruitcake


I bet at one point Lisa felt safe around him too.  Jacobson knew better.


She should also have her kids taken away for putting them in harm's way.  WHat a nutjob!

BTW, everyone looks so fine in their their new attire.  LOL.  And so what if Beth is dating Mr. Ramsey - it's good to find someone one is compatible with.

I'm sitting here waiting on the Maytag repairman.  You'd think with all he has to do he would be on time.  :roll:  :wink:   I don't mind waiting, he's a hunk and more!!!!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 12, 2007, 03:50:55 PM
While things are a little O/T, what does everyone think about the poor pizza delivery guy?  His brother sure is mad about the claims.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 12, 2007, 03:52:42 PM
You all have hot new avi's.I have always loved Ms Piggy,Katy,and I was talking about jvds earlier,not you .He stated he is a liar,rapist,etc.I disagree about the herion,I think he may have smoked mexican sand or black tar.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Katysmom on July 12, 2007, 03:52:47 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
While things are a little O/T, what does everyone think about the poor pizza delivery guy?  His brother sure is mad about the claims.


I don't think he was in on it.  On the news yesterday, they said he was just too calm sitting there.  Poor guy was probably scared chitless and was afraid to move!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 03:53:46 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"

She should also have her kids taken away for putting them in harm's way.  WHat a nutjob!

BTW, everyone looks so fine in their their new attire.  LOL.  And so what if Beth is dating Mr. Ramsey - it's good to find someone one is compatible with.

I'm sitting here waiting on the Maytag repairman.  You'd think with all he has to do he would be on time.  :roll:  :wink:   I don't mind waiting, he's a hunk and more!!!!!!!!


You're right about her being a nutjob. Taking my kids around some guy who is a possible murder suspect would not be my choice.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 12, 2007, 03:55:28 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
While things are a little O/T, what does everyone think about the poor pizza delivery guy?  His brother sure is mad about the claims.


I don't think he was in on it.  On the news yesterday, they said he was just too calm sitting there.  Poor guy was probably scared chitless and was afraid to move!


I don't think he was either.  I listened to several people on cable last night and they all had a problem with that too.  I'm with the brother on this one.  Where is the proof and where is this stufff coming from?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 03:56:37 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"

She should also have her kids taken away for putting them in harm's way.  WHat a nutjob!

BTW, everyone looks so fine in their their new attire.  LOL.  And so what if Beth is dating Mr. Ramsey - it's good to find someone one is compatible with.

I'm sitting here waiting on the Maytag repairman.  You'd think with all he has to do he would be on time.  :roll:  :wink:   I don't mind waiting, he's a hunk and more!!!!!!!!


You're right about her being a nutjob. Taking my kids around some guy who is a possible murder suspect would not be my choice.  :roll:

I agree about taking her kids away.  She will claim he wasn't named a suspect or a person of interest at the time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 12, 2007, 04:05:47 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
While things are a little O/T, what does everyone think about the poor pizza delivery guy?  His brother sure is mad about the claims.


From all accounts, this guy was supposedly just a regular guy...It sounds crazy - if he was involved, letting someone put a bomb around his neck??? AND trusting them to not explode it or trusting it not to explode?  Something just does not seem right about his involvement...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 04:09:32 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
While things are a little O/T, what does everyone think about the poor pizza delivery guy?  His brother sure is mad about the claims.


From all accounts, this guy was supposedly just a regular guy...It sounds crazy - if he was involved, letting someone put a bomb around his neck??? AND trusting them to not explode it or trusting it not to explode?  Something just does not seem right about his involvement...


perhaps he was drugged or drunk when they put it on his neck


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 12, 2007, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
While things are a little O/T, what does everyone think about the poor pizza delivery guy?  His brother sure is mad about the claims.


From all accounts, this guy was supposedly just a regular guy...It sounds crazy - if he was involved, letting someone put a bomb around his neck??? AND trusting them to not explode it or trusting it not to explode?  Something just does not seem right about his involvement...


It is crazy!  Last night a bomb expert said that the bomb was made in such a way that it looked like no one planned for it to be taken off.  I think the guy was just doing a job he was proud to have and got used by some monsters.  I think his family has a right to know all the facts!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: msmarple on July 12, 2007, 04:18:29 PM
What I haven't seen in this recent news on the pizza delivery man, is that he was, at the very least, a low-achiever. This was a 46-year-old pizza delivery man ...

Wells was a bit off mentally, and easily manipulated.

So there's an issue in that the "mastermind" would not have "settled" for just ANYBODY to make that delivery; it had to be Wells.

Now they're saying that Wells is known to have been talking to others who are now known (alleged) to have been involved.

But who knows what they were telling him? At what point did he learn he was supposed to rob a bank?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 12, 2007, 04:21:31 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
While things are a little O/T, what does everyone think about the poor pizza delivery guy?  His brother sure is mad about the claims.


From all accounts, this guy was supposedly just a regular guy...It sounds crazy - if he was involved, letting someone put a bomb around his neck??? AND trusting them to not explode it or trusting it not to explode?  Something just does not seem right about his involvement...


It is crazy!  Last night a bomb expert said that the bomb was made in such a way that it looked like no one planned for it to be taken off.  I think the guy was just doing a job he was proud to have and got used by some monsters.  I think his family has a right to know all the facts!


I agree Easy.  BTW, it's so good to  "see" you again.  Misssed ya!   They bomb wearer was in on it.  He knew what he was doing. He was no simpleton.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZSunny on July 12, 2007, 04:24:08 PM
Hi Easy,

Do you have news from Jossy?  Just wondering what the rumor on the street is today.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 12, 2007, 04:27:19 PM
One thing is for sure - what a hell of a way to die....explosive necklace.  I am interested to hear some more info on it.. I am skeptical if the info they are going on is what was told to them by the others indicted...Real upstanding people there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 12, 2007, 04:28:24 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Hi Easy,

Do you have news from Jossy?  Just wondering what the rumor on the street is today.


Nothing new that I have heard.  Will check with him later and see if anything has been going on.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: LilPuma on July 12, 2007, 04:44:08 PM
Good Afternoon, Monkeys.  I see no word from Jossy, but Easy's on it.  

I haven't read it here, but there's a book out by Donna M. Greene called For Natalee...A Community of Love.  
Anyone know anything about it?  Maybe I missed a discussion of it.  If you want to read the nasty reviews by some "infamous" AOL board posters who have devoted their lives and given themselves completely to bashing Natalee's family, here's a link.  If any of you have read this book, you can add your review.  I read a little over on the Sentinel link earlier.  Jeez, they're everywhere!  

http://tinyurl.com/ys7tru


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 04:56:59 PM
O/T

POLICE BELIEVE MISSING MOM LISA STEBIC A 'VICTIM OF FOUL PLAY,' EYE HUSBAND AS A 'PERSON OF INTEREST'


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Destiny on July 12, 2007, 04:57:42 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Good Afternoon, Monkeys.  I see no word from Jossy, but Easy's on it.  

I haven't read it here, but there's a book out by Donna M. Greene called For Natalee...A Community of Love.  
Anyone know anything about it?  Maybe I missed a discussion of it.  If you want to read the nasty reviews by some "infamous" AOL board posters who have devoted their lives and given themselves completely to bashing Natalee's family, here's a link.  If any of you have read this book, you can add your review.  I read a little over on the Sentinel link earlier.  Jeez, they're everywhere!  

http://tinyurl.com/ys7tru


I believe in KARMA.....that includes YOU CHUCK...you are very close to the the top of the KARMA list....be skeeeeered...very skeeeered

hhhhhssssssssssssssssssssssssss...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 12, 2007, 05:02:28 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T

POLICE BELIEVE MISSING MOM LISA STEBIC A 'VICTIM OF FOUL PLAY,' EYE HUSBAND AS A 'PERSON OF INTEREST'


I wonder if the reporter got any info out of the guy?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 12, 2007, 05:10:41 PM
I would like to hear Wendy Murphy talk more about this judge that tried to limit what could be said in his court room.  That is one of the nuttiest stories this week.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on July 12, 2007, 05:16:35 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T

POLICE BELIEVE MISSING MOM LISA STEBIC A 'VICTIM OF FOUL PLAY,' EYE HUSBAND AS A 'PERSON OF INTEREST'


I wonder if the reporter got any info out of the guy?


Maybe she got something out of the kids, but that would really be unethical. In the press conference today, that seemed to be one of the cops' biggest gripes -- Stebic won't let them talk to his kids.

Does the reporter lady have a husband? What does he say about this?

"Oh, honey, i"m taking the kids over to a murder suspect's house to go swimming."

"Fine dear. Be sure to wear sunscreen."

 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 05:19:51 PM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T

POLICE BELIEVE MISSING MOM LISA STEBIC A 'VICTIM OF FOUL PLAY,' EYE HUSBAND AS A 'PERSON OF INTEREST'


I wonder if the reporter got any info out of the guy?


Maybe she got something out of the kids, but that would really be unethical. In the press conference today, that seemed to be one of the cops' biggest gripes -- Stebic won't let them talk to his kids.

Does the reporter lady have a husband? What does he say about this?

"Oh, honey, i"m taking the kids over to a murder suspect's house to go swimming."

"Fine dear. Be sure to wear sunscreen."

 :roll:

Be sure to carry your gun :smt066


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 05:22:55 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
While things are a little O/T, what does everyone think about the poor pizza delivery guy?  His brother sure is mad about the claims.


From all accounts, this guy was supposedly just a regular guy...It sounds crazy - if he was involved, letting someone put a bomb around his neck??? AND trusting them to not explode it or trusting it not to explode?  Something just does not seem right about his involvement...


I have to agree. The other 2 involved said they wanted to be sure he didn't get away with the money something stupic like that. I don't think he was involved either.  JMO The whole lot of them look a few bricks short of a full load.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 12, 2007, 05:23:41 PM
Was just reading a news article about the drug traffic out of Venezuela into Dominican Republic/Haiti (Hispanola)....had visited DR about 4 years ago, and family had asked if we might have an interest to go back.  This creeps me out...and looking at the Map of the path taken, plus the lack of equipment on that island (no radar for incoming planes??)....just reinforces the drug trade through the Caribbean islands & that article I posted the other day about safety or lack thereof...

http://tinyurl.com/2drvzv


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 05:23:51 PM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T

POLICE BELIEVE MISSING MOM LISA STEBIC A 'VICTIM OF FOUL PLAY,' EYE HUSBAND AS A 'PERSON OF INTEREST'


I wonder if the reporter got any info out of the guy?


Maybe she got something out of the kids, but that would really be unethical. In the press conference today, that seemed to be one of the cops' biggest gripes -- Stebic won't let them talk to his kids.

Does the reporter lady have a husband? What does he say about this?

"Oh, honey, i"m taking the kids over to a murder suspect's house to go swimming."

"Fine dear. Be sure to wear sunscreen."

 :roll:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Howdy to Sun Freak and welcome Back Klass you were mis :+)
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on July 12, 2007, 05:33:01 PM
She should also have her kids taken away for putting them in harm's way.  WHat a nutjob!

BTW, everyone looks so fine in their their new attire.  LOL.  And so what if Beth is dating Mr. Ramsey - it's good to find someone one is compatible with.

I'm sitting here waiting on the Maytag repairman.  You'd think with all he has to do he would be on time.  :roll:  :wink:   I don't mind waiting, he's a hunk and more!!!!!!!![/quote]
*************************************************

  Hi Sun freak  been a good while  Kiddo  <g>
  and I see that you are still doing Dem Doggies  !!
   and that is the cutest Lil SHIH TUZ I've seen in a St Bernard's age     :lol:      :wink:      :roll:
   
   Ol Jerry from Ohio who Luvs  teasing Sun about those Cute Lil Yorkies


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: blah on July 12, 2007, 05:33:59 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T

POLICE BELIEVE MISSING MOM LISA STEBIC A 'VICTIM OF FOUL PLAY,' EYE HUSBAND AS A 'PERSON OF INTEREST'


I wonder if the reporter got any info out of the guy?


those kids need to be removed from this woman immediatley.  DOes anyone know if she still has custody?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 12, 2007, 05:40:08 PM
Some questions for Jossy:

Has he released all the statements and police reports he has? It seems like months since we saw anything new.

Has he said anything more about the "painted rocks" than that story of a young boy buried a year?

Does he think think the Dutch team is going to do anymore than review the documents, and inspect the J2K homes?

I have sent him several emails and nothing...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 05:43:38 PM
Looks like Aruba awarded  dumbpig with a award yesterday. :shock:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/award-dompig.png)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: blah on July 12, 2007, 05:45:35 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Some questions for Jossy:

Has he released all the statements and police reports he has? It seems like months since we saw anything new.

Has he said anything more about the "painted rocks" than that story of a young boy buried a year?

Does he think think the Dutch team is going to do anymore than review the documents, and inspect the J2K homes?

I have sent him several emails and nothing...


maybe you should threaten him with a Vulcan death grip??

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Sam on July 12, 2007, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Good Afternoon, Monkeys.  I see no word from Jossy, but Easy's on it.  

I haven't read it here, but there's a book out by Donna M. Greene called For Natalee...A Community of Love.  
Anyone know anything about it?  Maybe I missed a discussion of it.  If you want to read the nasty reviews by some "infamous" AOL board posters who have devoted their lives and given themselves completely to bashing Natalee's family, here's a link.  If any of you have read this book, you can add your review.  I read a little over on the Sentinel link earlier.  Jeez, they're everywhere!  

http://tinyurl.com/ys7tru


Hi Monkeys,

Some of the new avatars are very fitting. I like yours BT. I also like Ms Marples.  It does take a few minutes to get used to. I like Bleached Blacks old one best and the one San has used so long. I heard Lalas complaining about Snoopys but did not see what she was now using. I know Lalas thought Snoopy should be a dog. For some reason I thought Snoopy for the longest time had an avatar of a sexy looking babe in front of a piano. Am I wrong? Glad Klaas is back to Normal. Robots needs to go back to normal as well.

Reading some of those Sentinel post and seeing the cloning that is going on should be a good reminder to all about being careful online to not give out your real identity.

Alot of you know I made that mistake a few years ago with another missing person. Let me tell you it was not a pleasant experience. I was also cloned. Some of the Monkeys know who I am and that is ok but just be careful.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 05:48:13 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Looks like Aruba awarded  dumbpig with a award yesterday. :shock:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/award-dompig.png)



 :smt117


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 05:49:05 PM
The last time I heard Jossy talk about the painted rocks he said that he knew the guy and he worked for the ALE forensic unit. He was gonna look into it and get back to us. :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 05:50:12 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Looks like Aruba awarded  dumbpig with a award yesterday. :shock:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/award-dompig.png)


 :shock:  Was there a cereal eating contest perhaps?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 05:51:15 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
Looks like Aruba awarded  dumbpig with a award yesterday. :shock:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/award-dompig.png)


 :shock:  Was there a cereal eating contest perhaps?  :wink:


got to loveeeeeeee the EARS  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 05:52:03 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Good Afternoon, Monkeys.  I see no word from Jossy, but Easy's on it.  

I haven't read it here, but there's a book out by Donna M. Greene called For Natalee...A Community of Love.  
Anyone know anything about it?  Maybe I missed a discussion of it.  If you want to read the nasty reviews by some "infamous" AOL board posters who have devoted their lives and given themselves completely to bashing Natalee's family, here's a link.  If any of you have read this book, you can add your review.  I read a little over on the Sentinel link earlier.  Jeez, they're everywhere!  

http://tinyurl.com/ys7tru


Hi Monkeys,

Some of the new avatars are very fitting. I like yours BT. I also like Ms Marples.  It does take a few minutes to get used to. I like Bleached Blacks old one best and the one San has used so long. I heard Lalas complaining about Snoopys but did not see what she was now using. I know Lalas thought Snoopy should be a dog. For some reason I thought Snoopy for the longest time had an avatar of a sexy looking babe in front of a piano. Am I wrong? Glad Klaas is back to Normal. Robots needs to go back to normal as well.

Reading some of those Sentinel post and seeing the cloning that is going on should be a good reminder to all about being careful online to not give out your real identity.

Alot of you know I made that mistake a few years ago with another missing person. Let me tell you it was not a pleasant experience. I was also cloned. Some of the Monkeys know who I am and that is ok but just be careful.

I put my old one back up Sam :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 05:52:07 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Looks like Aruba awarded  dumbpig with a award yesterday. :shock:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/award-dompig.png)


Hmmm seems like that big guy on far left is a physique I remember from the arubay painted rocks video(s)?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: JuJu on July 12, 2007, 05:52:21 PM
Was dumbpig's award  for destroying evidence and makingsure that  nobody would ever know what happened to Nat?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 12, 2007, 05:52:21 PM
Quote from: "*******"
The last time I heard Jossy talk about the painted rocks he said that he knew the guy and he worked for the ALE forensic unit. He was gonna look into it and get back to us. :?


Yes, in the same podcast, he said it was the recovery of a 7 year old boy dead a year. Doesn't explain the red spots on the rocks and the painting one year later.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 05:52:36 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
Looks like Aruba awarded  dumbpig with a award yesterday. :shock:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/award-dompig.png)


 :shock:  Was there a cereal eating contest perhaps?  :wink:


We all know who would have won that one :wink:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/jacobs1.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 05:53:10 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
Looks like Aruba awarded  dumbpig with a award yesterday. :shock:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/award-dompig.png)


 :shock:  Was there a cereal eating contest perhaps?  :wink:


Angie you are a hoot!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: blah on July 12, 2007, 05:55:14 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
Looks like Aruba awarded  dumbpig with a award yesterday. :shock:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/award-dompig.png)


 :shock:  Was there a cereal eating contest perhaps?  :wink:



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 05:55:56 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
Looks like Aruba awarded  dumbpig with a award yesterday. :shock:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/award-dompig.png)


 :shock:  Was there a cereal eating contest perhaps?  :wink:


got to loveeeeeeee the EARS  8)


LOL Stuck then on there for you , yah know..  8)
 Robots. I dunno.. but I am having a real hard time here the last few days feeling I am gonna be getitng you and Wreck Cigars. My positive thinking is going down the drain it seems.  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 05:57:48 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "*******"
The last time I heard Jossy talk about the painted rocks he said that he knew the guy and he worked for the ALE forensic unit. He was gonna look into it and get back to us. :?


Yes, in the same podcast, he said it was the recovery of a 7 year old boy dead a year. Doesn't explain the red spots on the rocks and the painting one year later.


I remember..The 7 year old was in a few peices as well.. :( The story doesnt add up because they told dave about that boy and he was found in another area in Aruba. Unless this is another 7 year old illegal immigrant who was killed that never made the news.. :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Spock on July 12, 2007, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "*******"
The last time I heard Jossy talk about the painted rocks he said that he knew the guy and he worked for the ALE forensic unit. He was gonna look into it and get back to us. :?


Yes, in the same podcast, he said it was the recovery of a 7 year old boy dead a year. Doesn't explain the red spots on the rocks and the painting one year later.


(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/BeamMeUp_photos/stain3.png)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 05:58:27 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
Looks like Aruba awarded  dumbpig with a award yesterday. :shock:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/award-dompig.png)


 :shock:  Was there a cereal eating contest perhaps?  :wink:


got to loveeeeeeee the EARS  8)


LOL Stuck then on there for you , yah know..  8)
 Robots. I dunno.. but I am having a real hard time here the last few days feeling I am gonna be getitng you and Wreck Cigars. My positive thinking is going down the drain it seems.  :(


that is NORMAL

you must be NORMAL


i, on the other hand, AM NOT  :twisted:

have no fear


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Sam on July 12, 2007, 05:58:35 PM
Quote from: "JuJu"
Was dumbpig's award  for destroying evidence and makingsure that  nobody would ever know what happened to Nat?


No JuJu, They gave that one to Jacobs. :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 05:58:39 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
Looks like Aruba awarded  dumbpig with a award yesterday. :shock:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/award-dompig.png)


 :shock:  Was there a cereal eating contest perhaps?  :wink:


We all know who would have won that one :wink:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/jacobs1.jpg)


 As San would say.. the fat bastard!  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 05:58:58 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "*******"
The last time I heard Jossy talk about the painted rocks he said that he knew the guy and he worked for the ALE forensic unit. He was gonna look into it and get back to us. :?


Yes, in the same podcast, he said it was the recovery of a 7 year old boy dead a year. Doesn't explain the red spots on the rocks and the painting one year later.


That story about a boy(body) being dead for a year just doesn't make any sense. There would be nothing left but bones, and I doubt even bones would remain. There are stray dogs all over aruba, surely they would have made short work of scattering bones. So I am not sure what exactly we are to believe was being recovered there?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 06:00:31 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "*******"
The last time I heard Jossy talk about the painted rocks he said that he knew the guy and he worked for the ALE forensic unit. He was gonna look into it and get back to us. :?


Yes, in the same podcast, he said it was the recovery of a 7 year old boy dead a year. Doesn't explain the red spots on the rocks and the painting one year later.


I remember..The 7 year old was in a few peices as well.. :( The story doesnt add up because they told dave about that boy and he was found in another area in Aruba. Unless this is another 7 year old illegal immigrant who was killed that never made the news.. :(


IIRC wasn't it suppose to be about a car accident?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 06:02:20 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
Looks like Aruba awarded  dumbpig with a award yesterday. :shock:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/award-dompig.png)


 :shock:  Was there a cereal eating contest perhaps?  :wink:


got to loveeeeeeee the EARS  8)


LOL Stuck then on there for you , yah know..  8)
 Robots. I dunno.. but I am having a real hard time here the last few days feeling I am gonna be getitng you and Wreck Cigars. My positive thinking is going down the drain it seems.  :(


that is NORMAL

you must be NORMAL


i, on the other hand, AM NOT  :twisted:

have no fear


Ummm.. well  I am not exactly all together there either.. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 06:05:30 PM
Sam wrote;
Quote
Some of the new avatars are very fitting. I like yours BT. I also like Ms Marples. It does take a few minutes to get used to. I like Bleached Blacks old one best and the one San has used so long. I heard Lalas complaining about Snoopys but did not see what she was now using. I know Lalas thought Snoopy should be a dog. For some reason I thought Snoopy for the longest time had an avatar of a sexy looking babe in front of a piano. Am I wrong? Glad Klaas is back to Normal. Robots needs to go back to normal as well.



Sam I have heard it said that  one sure sign of aging is that we don't adapt well to change.  :wink:  :wink: Just kidding

I will probably go back to Gilda monkey after I get sick of little Sisyphus running his little legs off.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: AZLady on July 12, 2007, 06:10:07 PM
Warning:  this is OT.
This link is to a song on YouTube right now going the rounds.  It's called Press One for English.  I think some of you might enjoy it.  I know I did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJfS1v-fU0


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 06:11:17 PM
Quote from: "Sam"


Hi Monkeys,

Some of the new avatars are very fitting. I like yours BT.


TY, Sam. I'm kind of liking her myself, so I think I'll let her stick around for a while.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 06:13:51 PM
One more picture..Let's take a look at the man behind the coverup..I wonder what his wife thought of him trying to turn the maids into prostitutes?? How many mobs and cartels is he connected to? I betcha this guy has millions stashed away for his upcoming retirement..

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/rudycroesfamily.png)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 06:15:06 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Warning:  this is OT.
This link is to a song on YouTube right now going the rounds.  It's called Press One for English.  I think some of you might enjoy it.  I know I did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJfS1v-fU0


HEHE there's a lot of truth in that one! It had over 3 million hits!WOW I had not heard it before thanks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 06:16:27 PM
Quote from: "*******"
One more picture..Let's take a look at the man behind the coverup..I wonder what his wife thought of him trying to turn the maids into prostitutes?? How many mobs and cartels is he connected to? I betcha this guy has millions stashed away for his upcoming retirement..

This guy is connected to them all.  I agree that he has millions stashed away.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 06:18:53 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Sam"


Hi Monkeys,

Some of the new avatars are very fitting. I like yours BT.


TY, Sam. I'm kind of liking her myself, so I think I'll let her stick around for a while.


 BT.. its so you! Adorable!!  :)  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 06:21:12 PM
Quote from: "*******"
One more picture..Let's take a look at the man behind the coverup..I wonder what his wife thought of him trying to turn the maids into prostitutes?? How many mobs and cartels is he connected to? I betcha this guy has millions stashed away for his upcoming retirement..

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/rudycroesfamily.png)


 Rudy Croes is FUGLY..
 I hate to say this.. but he SO reminds me of poor Abe Lincoln.
 I may get flamed for that.. But Abe was no looker.. at least HE was honest!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 06:23:06 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
One more picture..Let's take a look at the man behind the coverup..I wonder what his wife thought of him trying to turn the maids into prostitutes?? How many mobs and cartels is he connected to? I betcha this guy has millions stashed away for his upcoming retirement..

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/rudycroesfamily.png)


 Rudy Croes is FUGLY..
 I hate to say this.. but he SO reminds me of poor Abe Lincoln.
 I may get flamed for that.. But Abe was no looker.. at least HE was honest!

Rudy Croes is sick in the head.  First time I saw him I said there is something wrong with this man.  Weirdo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 06:24:34 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Sam"


Hi Monkeys,

Some of the new avatars are very fitting. I like yours BT.


TY, Sam. I'm kind of liking her myself, so I think I'll let her stick around for a while.


 BT.. its so you! Adorable!!  :)  :D


TY, Angie. I like yours too!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 06:25:26 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Sam"


Hi Monkeys,

Some of the new avatars are very fitting. I like yours BT.


TY, Sam. I'm kind of liking her myself, so I think I'll let her stick around for a while.


 BT.. its so you! Adorable!!  :)  :D


Angie - I fixed yours so it's a little bigger

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/AngeeMeez.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: robots on July 12, 2007, 06:25:36 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
One more picture..Let's take a look at the man behind the coverup..I wonder what his wife thought of him trying to turn the maids into prostitutes?? How many mobs and cartels is he connected to? I betcha this guy has millions stashed away for his upcoming retirement..

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/rudycroesfamily.png)


 Rudy Croes is FUGLY..
 I hate to say this.. but he SO reminds me of poor Abe Lincoln.
 I may get flamed for that.. But Abe was no looker.. at least HE was honest!


ROFL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 06:26:03 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
One more picture..Let's take a look at the man behind the coverup..I wonder what his wife thought of him trying to turn the maids into prostitutes?? How many mobs and cartels is he connected to? I betcha this guy has millions stashed away for his upcoming retirement..

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/rudycroesfamily.png)


 Rudy Croes is FUGLY..
 I hate to say this.. but he SO reminds me of poor Abe Lincoln.
 I may get flamed for that.. But Abe was no looker.. at least HE was honest!

Rudy Croes is sick in the head.  First time I saw him I said there is something wrong with this man.  Weirdo.

  I agree San..  Who is he in bed with? Paulus? Anita?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 06:26:33 PM
Angie:

He is direct opposites of Honest Abe..I have seen other pics of his wife and she looks like a high priced columbian call girl..

Doesn't he have a daughter as well?? I thought that Paul Van Der Sloot said he was teaching her right in the beginning of the coverup??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 06:27:01 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
One more picture..Let's take a look at the man behind the coverup..I wonder what his wife thought of him trying to turn the maids into prostitutes?? How many mobs and cartels is he connected to? I betcha this guy has millions stashed away for his upcoming retirement..

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/rudycroesfamily.png)


 Rudy Croes is FUGLY..
 I hate to say this.. but he SO reminds me of poor Abe Lincoln.
 I may get flamed for that.. But Abe was no looker.. at least HE was honest!

Rudy Croes is sick in the head.  First time I saw him I said there is something wrong with this man.  Weirdo.

  I agree San..  Who is he in bed with? Paulus? Anita?

Both :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 06:27:53 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/threadlock.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 06:28:08 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Sam"


Hi Monkeys,

Some of the new avatars are very fitting. I like yours BT.


TY, Sam. I'm kind of liking her myself, so I think I'll let her stick around for a while.


 BT.. its so you! Adorable!!  :)  :D


Angie - I fixed yours so it's a little bigger

 Ty Klass  LOL   :shock:  I got bewbs!  :oops:
 I saw your ealrier before you took it down.. it was cute!  :)
 Mine still wont move.. cept the batting of the eyes.  :wink:  :wink:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/AngeeMeez.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 06:28:47 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
One more picture..Let's take a look at the man behind the coverup..I wonder what his wife thought of him trying to turn the maids into prostitutes?? How many mobs and cartels is he connected to? I betcha this guy has millions stashed away for his upcoming retirement..

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/rudycroesfamily.png)


 Rudy Croes is FUGLY..
 I hate to say this.. but he SO reminds me of poor Abe Lincoln.
 I may get flamed for that.. But Abe was no looker.. at least HE was honest!

Rudy Croes is sick in the head.  First time I saw him I said there is something wrong with this man.  Weirdo.

  I agree San..  Who is he in bed with? Paulus? Anita?

Both :lol:


Now there's a mental picture that will scare you out of a good night's sleep.  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Sam on July 12, 2007, 06:29:35 PM
I was looking at the site meter. Trying to figure out how to use it. I found someone from Mountain View California. They had been checking out a name in the missing forum. Of course the reason I looked is we used to live in Mountain View. Two different times. Always go back when we are in Ca. Loved it there. About 40 miles from Frisco.

Another one I checked details on was from Aruba. They were checking on the Dompig topic on the front page from I think July 5.

Oh there were also some from the Netherlands but I did not check what they were viewing.

None from Thailand.  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2007, 06:30:29 PM
Angie - you can go back into Meez and change the animation to different things.  I found that they never turn out to move as much as they do in Meez but they can move some.  Test out different ones.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 06:34:17 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
One more picture..Let's take a look at the man behind the coverup..I wonder what his wife thought of him trying to turn the maids into prostitutes?? How many mobs and cartels is he connected to? I betcha this guy has millions stashed away for his upcoming retirement..

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/rudycroesfamily.png)


 Rudy Croes is FUGLY..
 I hate to say this.. but he SO reminds me of poor Abe Lincoln.
 I may get flamed for that.. But Abe was no looker.. at least HE was honest!


ROFL


Mabye I should be wearing devil horns instead of bunny ears.  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 12, 2007, 06:34:19 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
quote="Angiex911dsptchr"]

 Rudy Croes is FUGLY..
 I hate to say this.. but he SO reminds me of poor Abe Lincoln.
 I may get flamed for that.. But Abe was no looker.. at least HE was honest!

Rudy Croes is sick in the head.  First time I saw him I said there is something wrong with this man.  Weirdo.

  I agree San..  Who is he in bed with? Paulus? Anita?[/quote]
Both :lol:[/quote]

He's a hermaphro.  Who would want to sleep with him? (well besides Paulus or Anita?)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 06:36:29 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
I was looking at the site meter. Trying to figure out how to use it. I found someone from Mountain View California. They had been checking out a name in the missing forum. Of course the reason I looked is we used to live in Mountain View. Two different times. Always go back when we are in Ca. Loved it there. About 40 miles from Frisco.

Another one I checked details on was from Aruba. They were checking on the Dompig topic on the front page from I think July 5.

Oh there were also some from the Netherlands but I did not check what they were viewing.

None from Thailand.  :lol:  :lol:


:) So Marteen the perv isnt reading this evening?   :wink:
 I dont get the site meter.. so I hardly ever go on it. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 12, 2007, 06:36:36 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Hotshot"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
I just got voice mail at home from TES apologizing for the delay in sending my Tshirt.  The lady said Tim Miller is out of the country and therefore unable to sign the shirt but as soon as he returns they’ll get it signed and shipped.

I hope that means he’s on his way to Aruba!!


Mine said outta state, and in about 3 days.  Just listened to it again after reading your post.  Can you listen again?  I am just really curious now.  TIA

Hotty - You're right.  I listened again and it did say 'outta state'.  Didn't say anything about 3 days and evidently I got caught up in some very wishful thinking.  :cry:


Well, Aruba is outta state!  Remember Tim said he didn't always want the media around, so I don't think he would leave a message for just anyone to hear telling them where he actually is.

That's true, maybe that's where I reached.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 06:38:25 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Angie:

He is direct opposites of Honest Abe..I have seen other pics of his wife and she looks like a high priced columbian call girl..

Doesn't he have a daughter as well?? I thought that Paul Van Der Sloot said he was teaching her right in the beginning of the coverup??


 :shock:  A call girl?  Yikes!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 06:40:36 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Angie - you can go back into Meez and change the animation to different things.  I found that they never turn out to move as much as they do in Meez but they can move some.  Test out different ones.


 Thanks Klaas. I made this one fast last night.. lol  First attempt.
 Have to mess with it sometime more.. I missed alot.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 12, 2007, 06:42:27 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
Angie:

He is direct opposites of Honest Abe..I have seen other pics of his wife and she looks like a high priced columbian call girl..

Doesn't he have a daughter as well?? I thought that Paul Van Der Sloot said he was teaching her right in the beginning of the coverup??


 :shock:  A call girl?  Yikes!


A call girl and sex slaves.  Ole Rudy can't get any anyway else it would seem.   :P  :P  :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 12, 2007, 06:42:42 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Looks like Aruba awarded  dumbpig with a award yesterday. :shock:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/award-dompig.png)


This must be the "Dumb bastard who sold his soul to suck up a few kudos" award.  It was a tight race between him and Jacobs.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 12, 2007, 06:45:38 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "*******"
Looks like Aruba awarded  dumbpig with a award yesterday. :shock:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/award-dompig.png)


This must be the "Dumb bastard who sold his soul to suck up a few kudos" award.  It was a tight race between him and Jacobs.


Is that Dompig third from the Left?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 06:46:40 PM
Quote from: SunFreak2
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
Angie:

He is direct opposites of Honest Abe..I have seen other pics of his wife and she looks like a high priced columbian call girl..

Doesn't he have a daughter as well?? I thought that Paul Van Der Sloot said he was teaching her right in the beginning of the coverup??


 :shock:  A call girl?  Yikes!


A call girl and sex slaves.  Ole Rudy can't get any anyway else it would seem.   :P  :P  :P[/quote


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 12, 2007, 06:48:06 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "*******"
Looks like Aruba awarded  dumbpig with a award yesterday. :shock:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/award-dompig.png)


This must be the "Dumb bastard who sold his soul to suck up a few kudos" award.  It was a tight race between him and Jacobs.


Is that Dompig third from the Left?

Yep, the proverbial rose amongst thorns.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 12, 2007, 06:50:33 PM
Hey, just a quick thanks to those that went back to their old avatars.  Geesh, felt like I was in a foreign country for a day or so.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 06:52:47 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Hey, just a quick thanks to those that went back to their old avatars.  Geesh, felt like I was in a foreign country for a day or so.


I just noticed a little bunny baby on yours!! :shock: LOL!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 12, 2007, 06:54:23 PM
Good Day Monkeys...

I see several have been playing with Angie's new  toy  :wink:

I did not realize see was blkinking  :shock: .

BT  you need to have your cow - dogs at your feet  
JMO of course


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 06:55:20 PM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:41 pm
even after a daughter gives birth to a grandchild,
the father of the new mother will still claim his daughter is a virgin
All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon
know the dangers that await
But the knowledge that they are forbidden is what makes them so pleasurable
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:45 pm
All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon
know the dangers that await
Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:48 pm
Coverups begin with elders and the founders of the houses of Babylon
Not the minions
DirtyHand knows this
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:50 pm
Are insects conned into entering Venus Flytraps?
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
The elder agreed to speak, but he he loves the boy too much.
The knows the passages of the palace too well. So the Babylonians must
make sure the check mate is iron-clad.
Something rotten from The Hague will have to make the third act play out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 07:02:10 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Good Day Monkeys...

I see several have been playing with Angie's new  toy  :wink:

I did not realize see was blkinking  :shock: .

BT  you need to have your cow - dogs at your feet  
JMO of course


 Love the bad Oldfart. May I borrow it? Love to wear it to work.. and here at home..  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 07:02:49 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Good Day Monkeys...

I see several have been playing with Angie's new  toy  :wink:

I did not realize see was blkinking  :shock: .

BT  you need to have your cow - dogs at your feet  
JMO of course


I would love to have them there, OF, but I don't know how to do that.  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: nonesuche on July 12, 2007, 07:07:20 PM
Hi San  :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 07:08:13 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:41 pm
even after a daughter gives birth to a grandchild,
the father of the new mother will still claim his daughter is a virgin
All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon
know the dangers that await
But the knowledge that they are forbidden is what makes them so pleasurable
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:45 pm
All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon
know the dangers that await
Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:48 pm
Coverups begin with elders and the founders of the houses of Babylon
Not the minions
DirtyHand knows this
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:50 pm
Are insects conned into entering Venus Flytraps?
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
The elder agreed to speak, but he he loves the boy too much.
The knows the passages of the palace too well. So the Babylonians must
make sure the check mate is iron-clad.
Something rotten from The Hague will have to make the third act play out.[/quote

  BB.
  The elder agrees to speak, but loves the bot to much?
 Is that in regard to PVDS and Joran??  :oops:  I do not shango tango well.  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 07:08:21 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi San  :P


 :lol:   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 07:08:45 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi San  :P


Awww....how cute!!!!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 12, 2007, 07:08:56 PM
Anything going on tonight?  Any news at all, or is most of the talk still about the Dompig and Renfro show?

Anyone ever watch Snapped on Oxygn?  Murder ain't just a man thing...   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 12, 2007, 07:10:27 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:41 pm
All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon
know the dangers that await
But the knowledge that they are forbidden is what makes them so pleasurable


Thewhole danged lot of them is perverted, IMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 07:11:56 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi San  :P


 :lol:  Cute Avi sistah!
 <sorry I am not San.. :wink: ? LMAO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anything going on tonight?  Any news at all, or is most of the talk still about the Dompig and Renfro show?

Anyone ever watch Snapped on Oxygn?  Murder ain't just a man thing...   :shock:


Women are good at murder - they're just usually sneakier about it.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 07:15:28 PM
Here is another old post about Lorenzo..I think it is all fiction or else I would store it in the racejunkies thread..Wild imaginations some people have :roll:

POST:
Sorry, I had to leave for awhile and then look up the
research I had on the house and Lorenzo. Here is what
I have been able to find so far:

the house is isolated because it is built on property
that was given to Lorenzo by his father who as most
everyone on the island knows was one of the biggest
and most feared schranspartijen holders.

Lorenzo added to the house after his father's death so
he could continue in his father's footsteps and holds
schranspartijen meetings there at least once a month
for the very powerful and elite from Venzuela and
Colombia.

He has a special ceremony on May 30th and is by
invitation only. In order to protect those attending
the schranspartijen he hired guards who were
proficient in using bloemen . But the local guards had
a problem with their planten and couldn't seem to hold
onto them, so Lorenzo was forced to ask his friends
from Venezuela and Colombia where he could get guards
he could trust to hold onto their planten and properly
protect his property as he had other uses for his
kachonan pitbulls.

Colombia was considered the best, so he hired 20
guards, or as they refer to them, grappemakers,
Lorenzo could not let the Aruban government know the
grappemakers were hired for protection so he had to
ask for permits to allow them to be hired as
gardeners.

However, everyone in Aruba knows they are really
klootzakken and will not approach the compound for
fear of being hit by their high powered bloemen.

On May 30, Lorenzo holds a ceremony called "vuile
afwas." It starts at 2:30am and is attended by all the
high powered officials in Aruba. No one in Aruba is
allowed to discuss the "vuile afwas" and you will
never hear about it if you do not live on the island.

If anyone is heard talking about "vuile afwas" in
public, they are immediately placed into KIA and
released to Lorenzo's grappemakers and shot on his
property with the high powered bloemen.

However, during the "vuile afwas" ceremony, a young
girl is usually brought in and forced into what they
call the "de afwas doen" and she is not allowed to
leave until every one is done. Sometimes the young
girl can pass out from all the afwas she is subjected
to and if she does, she is put into a hidden room and
forced into" hetin slaap vallen."

The next day she has no memory of afwassen and she
leaves. There have been a few girls who have wished to
stay in order to participate again in "afwassen" but
Lorenzo forbids it.

It must be a new girl every time.

So, in order for the girl to "de afwas" the house must
be hidden away from the prying eyes of the public.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 07:16:02 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anything going on tonight?  Any news at all, or is most of the talk still about the Dompig and Renfro show?

Anyone ever watch Snapped on Oxygn?  Murder ain't just a man thing...   :shock:


Women are good at murder - they're just usually sneakier about it.  :wink:


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:    SIMON.. watch your back!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 07:18:56 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anything going on tonight?  Any news at all, or is most of the talk still about the Dompig and Renfro show?

Anyone ever watch Snapped on Oxygn?  Murder ain't just a man thing...   :shock:


Women are good at murder - they're just usually sneakier about it.  :wink:


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:    SIMON.. watch your back!  :wink:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Ssssshhhhh........... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 12, 2007, 07:19:11 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anything going on tonight?  Any news at all, or is most of the talk still about the Dompig and Renfro show?

Anyone ever watch Snapped on Oxygn?  Murder ain't just a man thing...   :shock:


Women are good at murder - they're just usually sneakier about it.  :wink:


That show covers some of the high profile cases of women killing men, but it has a bunch I have never heard of in the past.  They have been running it back to back the past couple of nights and now I don't even trust the cashier at the corner store!   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anything going on tonight?  Any news at all, or is most of the talk still about the Dompig and Renfro show?

Anyone ever watch Snapped on Oxygn?  Murder ain't just a man thing...   :shock:


Women are good at murder - they're just usually sneakier about it.  :wink:


That show covers some of the high profile cases of women killing men, but it has a bunch I have never heard of in the past.  They have been running it back to back the past couple of nights and now I don't even trust the cashier at the corner store!   :shock:


Then you better be sweet to her just to be on the safe side.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 12, 2007, 07:21:28 PM
*******,

Do you know or remember where that post came from?  Just wondering...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Blonde on July 12, 2007, 07:22:48 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
I was looking at the site meter. Trying to figure out how to use it. I found someone from Mountain View California. They had been checking out a name in the missing forum. Of course the reason I looked is we used to live in Mountain View. Two different times. Always go back when we are in Ca. Loved it there. About 40 miles from Frisco.

Another one I checked details on was from Aruba. They were checking on the Dompig topic on the front page from I think July 5.

Oh there were also some from the Netherlands but I did not check what they were viewing.

None from Thailand.  :lol:  :lol:


Sam, the  Mountain View California one is a (Google Bite ) it follows posters and picks up info and stores it.
So when you Google something it has collected info for you. :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 07:23:09 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
*******,

Do you know or remember where that post came from?  Just wondering...


pausebreak at {no linking nasty sites - San}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 12, 2007, 07:24:05 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anything going on tonight?  Any news at all, or is most of the talk still about the Dompig and Renfro show?

Anyone ever watch Snapped on Oxygn?  Murder ain't just a man thing...   :shock:


Women are good at murder - they're just usually sneakier about it.  :wink:


That show covers some of the high profile cases of women killing men, but it has a bunch I have never heard of in the past.  They have been running it back to back the past couple of nights and now I don't even trust the cashier at the corner store!   :shock:


Then you better be sweet to her just to be on the safe side.  :lol:


Always!  That little old woman looks like she could kick butt and never stop counting change!

BT what keeps dropping out of your shirt?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 12, 2007, 07:25:58 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Here is another old post about Lorenzo..I think it is all fiction or else I would store it in the racejunkies thread..Wild imaginations some people have :roll:

POST:
Sorry, I had to leave for awhile and then look up the
research I had on the house and Lorenzo. Here is what
I have been able to find so far:

the house is isolated because it is built on property
that was given to Lorenzo by his father who as most
everyone on the island knows was one of the biggest
and most feared schranspartijen holders.

Lorenzo added to the house after his father's death so
he could continue in his father's footsteps and holds
schranspartijen meetings there at least once a month
for the very powerful and elite from Venzuela and
Colombia.

He has a special ceremony on May 30th and is by
invitation only. In order to protect those attending
the schranspartijen he hired guards who were
proficient in using bloemen . But the local guards had
a problem with their planten and couldn't seem to hold
onto them, so Lorenzo was forced to ask his friends
from Venezuela and Colombia where he could get guards
he could trust to hold onto their planten and properly
protect his property as he had other uses for his
kachonan pitbulls.

Colombia was considered the best, so he hired 20
guards, or as they refer to them, grappemakers,
Lorenzo could not let the Aruban government know the
grappemakers were hired for protection so he had to
ask for permits to allow them to be hired as
gardeners.

However, everyone in Aruba knows they are really
klootzakken and will not approach the compound for
fear of being hit by their high powered bloemen.

On May 30, Lorenzo holds a ceremony called "vuile
afwas." It starts at 2:30am and is attended by all the
high powered officials in Aruba. No one in Aruba is
allowed to discuss the "vuile afwas" and you will
never hear about it if you do not live on the island.

If anyone is heard talking about "vuile afwas" in
public, they are immediately placed into KIA and
released to Lorenzo's grappemakers and shot on his
property with the high powered bloemen.

However, during the "vuile afwas" ceremony, a young
girl is usually brought in and forced into what they
call the "de afwas doen" and she is not allowed to
leave until every one is done. Sometimes the young
girl can pass out from all the afwas she is subjected
to and if she does, she is put into a hidden room and
forced into" hetin slaap vallen."

The next day she has no memory of afwassen and she
leaves. There have been a few girls who have wished to
stay in order to participate again in "afwassen" but
Lorenzo forbids it.

It must be a new girl every time.

So, in order for the girl to "de afwas" the house must
be hidden away from the prying eyes of the public.


I'm not so sure it's all fiction.  What did we hear about Lorenzo in the very beginning.

Bastard son of Paulus
Father owned VW dealership until committed suicide
Lorenzo big drug dealer
Lorenzo's family had some huge shipping/trading company at the port.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 07:27:29 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"

BT what keeps dropping out of your shirt?


LOL, it's not supposed to be something dropping out of my shirt. On the Meez site, the "people" move a lot more than they do when they're turned into avatars. I think what looks like something dropping is the result of one of the movements being stunted. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 12, 2007, 07:28:14 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"


BT what keeps dropping out of your shirt?



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Tiger on July 12, 2007, 07:29:11 PM
Great Avi's.IIRC,joran was dating a nice porn star in Holland,after jail.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "Easywriter"


BT what keeps dropping out of your shirt?



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Does Klaas need to try to fix that for me? No one even noticed except Easy. Grrrrrrrrr, Easy.  :evil:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 12, 2007, 07:29:45 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"

BT what keeps dropping out of your shirt?


LOL, it's not supposed to be something dropping out of my shirt. On the Meez site, the "people" move a lot more than they do when they're turned into avatars. I think what looks like something dropping is the result of one of the movements being stunted. :lol:


A stunted movement, huh?   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 07:30:39 PM
Angie wrote;
Quote
The elder agrees to speak, but loves the bot to much?
Is that in regard to PVDS and Joran??


The way I see it Yep (it could possibly be Lorenzo ?) Your interpretation is a good as mine. You Shango fine........ :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 07:30:41 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"

BT what keeps dropping out of your shirt?


LOL, it's not supposed to be something dropping out of my shirt. On the Meez site, the "people" move a lot more than they do when they're turned into avatars. I think what looks like something dropping is the result of one of the movements being stunted. :lol:


A stunted movement, huh?   :lol:


Am I gonna have to delete that avatar and go back to the cow dogs now?  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 12, 2007, 07:31:16 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "Easywriter"


BT what keeps dropping out of your shirt?





 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Does Klaas need to try to fix that for me? No one even noticed except Easy. Grrrrrrrrr, Easy.  :evil:  :lol:


IT looks like an unsighly bowel movement to me.   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 07:31:57 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "Easywriter"


BT what keeps dropping out of your shirt?





 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Does Klaas need to try to fix that for me? No one even noticed except Easy. Grrrrrrrrr, Easy.  :evil:  :lol:


IT looks like an unsighly bowel movement to me.   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Okay, it's back to the cow dogs then. Sigh.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 12, 2007, 07:32:32 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "Easywriter"


BT what keeps dropping out of your shirt?



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Does Klaas need to try to fix that for me? No one even noticed except Easy. Grrrrrrrrr, Easy.  :evil:  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:   It's cute!  I thought you might have lost your yo yo or something.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 07:32:34 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:41 pm
All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon
know the dangers that await
But the knowledge that they are forbidden is what makes them so pleasurable


Thewhole danged lot of them is perverted, IMO.


That's exactly why I posted this part SF. IMO Rudy Croes has taken a few walks in the damned  corridors of the houses of Babylon and tasted the forbidden fruit.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 07:32:34 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "Easywriter"


BT what keeps dropping out of your shirt?





 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Does Klaas need to try to fix that for me? No one even noticed except Easy. Grrrrrrrrr, Easy.  :evil:  :lol:


IT looks like an unsighly bowel movement to me.   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Sam on July 12, 2007, 07:32:48 PM
*******,

I wish we knew what some of those words mean.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: SunFreak2
Quote from: "*******"
quote]

I'm not so sure it's all fiction.  What did we hear about Lorenzo in the very beginning.

Bastard son of Paulus
Father owned VW dealership until committed suicide
Lorenzo big drug dealer
Lorenzo's family had some huge shipping/trading company at the port.


Well those things are true but I meant the story he was telling about the ceremony or whatever on that day every year..I dont buy it  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: IndyDan on July 12, 2007, 07:35:04 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Hey, just a quick thanks to those that went back to their old avatars.  Geesh, felt like I was in a foreign country for a day or so.


I just noticed a little bunny baby on yours!! :shock: LOL!!


 :D  :lol:  :D  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 07:35:52 PM
Ha! Now I dare anybody to find any poopies in this picture.  :lol:

There's only puppies - no poopies in sight.  :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 12, 2007, 07:37:12 PM
AngieX
Quote
Love the bad Oldfart.
   :shock:  
Oh you mean....BAG  ... gotta ya...
Just reminded me of a police video.. where the robber wore one and forgot the eye holes  :lol:  :lol:
BT
Sorry I cannot help you ... but I'll bet some here could
& Now I see I have not been real observant  :lol:
NoneS
The roller-skates in can see   but the Hallo  :?
Blonde
I thought you were CBB for a second...
If you collect Betty's I may still have a few I gave to CBB


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 07:37:31 PM
Quote from: *******
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "*******"
quote]

I'm not so sure it's all fiction.  What did we hear about Lorenzo in the very beginning.

Bastard son of Paulus
Father owned VW dealership until committed suicide
Lorenzo big drug dealer
Lorenzo's family had some huge shipping/trading company at the port.


Well those things are true but I meant the story he was telling about the ceremony or whatever on that day every year..I dont buy it  :D


Don't think I buy it either.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 12, 2007, 07:39:33 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Ha! Now I dare anybody to find any poopies in this picture.  :lol:

There's only puppies - no poopies in sight.  :P


Did you see that calf that was born on 07-07 and has a seven on its forehead?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 07:40:51 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Ha! Now I dare anybody to find any poopies in this picture.  :lol:

There's only puppies - no poopies in sight.  :P


Did you see that calf that was born on 07-07 and has a seven on its forehead?


Nope. Maybe you need to post a pic?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 07:41:16 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
*******,

I wish we knew what some of those words mean.


I hear ya..I just think that part of the story is too far fetched for me to believe or else I would look into it further. Some of the words he used to come in google..

I think it was a PIMP event that night and not powerfull and elite people from other countries..IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 12, 2007, 07:43:21 PM
BT
for your collection... It's kinda lilke the rest (I think)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/smiley-faces-81.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 12, 2007, 07:43:21 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "*******"
quote]

I'm not so sure it's all fiction.  What did we hear about Lorenzo in the very beginning.

Bastard son of Paulus
Father owned VW dealership until committed suicide
Lorenzo big drug dealer
Lorenzo's family had some huge shipping/trading company at the port.


Well those things are true but I meant the story he was telling about the ceremony or whatever on that day every year..I dont buy it  :D


Don't think I buy it either.


I don't buy the whole thing, but it does fit in with Shango and the Lion's Den, sort of.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 12, 2007, 07:43:55 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Angie wrote;
Quote
The elder agrees to speak, but loves the bot to much?
Is that in regard to PVDS and Joran??


The way I see it Yep (it could possibly be Lorenzo ?) Your interpretation is a good as mine. You Shango fine........ :wink:


 LOL BB..   :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 07:44:16 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
BT
for your collection... It's kinda lilke the rest (I think)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/smiley-faces-81.gif)


Thanks, OF!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Sam on July 12, 2007, 07:46:23 PM
But Why was Lorenzo brought into the story so quickly after Nat disappeared.?

Most of the time anymore I have doubts about his involvement but then when I reread post like ******* posted I start to reevalluate again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Easywriter on July 12, 2007, 07:51:23 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Ha! Now I dare anybody to find any poopies in this picture.  :lol:

There's only puppies - no poopies in sight.  :P


Did you see that calf that was born on 07-07 and has a seven on its forehead?


Nope. Maybe you need to post a pic?


I saw it on Shepard Smith's show.  It was the 7th cow born on that farm on 7-7.  It's a Holstein with what looks just like a white 7 on its forehead.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: oldfart on July 12, 2007, 07:55:03 PM
Obseerver
Just wondering
when & where was that 1st posted...  

I'v got to find the check book and pay for somethings  :(  before people get upset over a little thing like $$$
BBL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Blonde on July 12, 2007, 07:55:49 PM
oldfart
Blonde
I thought you were CBB for a second...
If you collect Betty's I may still have a few I gave to CBB[/quote]

OHHHHH, Thank You I love Betty


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 07:57:41 PM
We've only got about a page and a half to go. Somebody post a big map or something.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 07:58:06 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
But Why was Lorenzo brought into the story so quickly after Nat disappeared.?

Most of the time anymore I have doubts about his involvement but then when I reread post like ******* posted I start to reevalluate again.


I wouldn't buy into that particular post too much..However I think there is a reason why Arubans were talking about him soo early in the case. Some of those bloggers heard from friends and others know him. As you can see what some of them told us turned out to be true and a few of them said he was involved. After he gave his statement to the ALE on June 28th they stopped talking about him.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1291


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 07:58:22 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
We've only got about a page and a half to go. Somebody post a big map or something.  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 07:58:32 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
But Why was Lorenzo brought into the story so quickly after Nat disappeared.?

Most of the time anymore I have doubts about his involvement but then when I reread post like ******* posted I start to reevalluate again.


I have to wonder if he didn't have a past that would perhaps make them think he was involved? That is whaat I recall thinking in the begining. How much of what we speculate does ALE know? Did he have a history of picking up tourists girls? Did ALE know that Joran and LVR are related ? Cellphone pings?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 12, 2007, 07:59:39 PM
Hi monkeys.  My mother-inlaw "Betty" used to paint the cels for Betty Boop.  She worked with Max Fleischer, who drew Betty Boop.  She had lots of Betty stuff.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 12, 2007, 07:59:57 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Obseerver
Just wondering
when & where was that 1st posted...  

I'v got to find the check book and pay for somethings  :(  before people get upset over a little thing like $$$
BBL


July, '06 at RU.... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 08:01:02 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Sam"
But Why was Lorenzo brought into the story so quickly after Nat disappeared.?

Most of the time anymore I have doubts about his involvement but then when I reread post like ******* posted I start to reevalluate again.


I have to wonder if he didn't have a past that would perhaps make them think he was involved? That is whaat I recall thinking in the begining. How much of what we speculate does ALE know? Did he have a history of picking up tourists girls? Did ALE know that Joran and LVR are related ? Cellphone pings?

If Arubagirl knew they were related I would think so did a lot of other people.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 08:01:06 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Hi monkeys.  My mother-inlaw "Betty" used to paint the cels for Betty Boop.  She worked with Max Fleischer, who drew Betty Boop.  She had lots of Betty stuff.


Hi Muffy. How cool!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Sam on July 12, 2007, 08:01:23 PM
Old Fart, and all Monkeys, No one can leave right now. Its the law

You must keep posting even if it is only short post so we can get to the new thread. :lol:  :lol:

Robots, You need to help


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2007, 08:01:25 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Obseerver
Just wondering
when & where was that 1st posted...  

I'v got to find the check book and pay for somethings  :(  before people get upset over a little thing like $$$
BBL


Posted at RU by pausebreak..I don't know the date..I think the guy took a few facts and made up his own story..IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 08:01:52 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Obseerver
Just wondering
when & where was that 1st posted...  

I'v got to find the check book and pay for somethings  :(  before people get upset over a little thing like $$$
BBL


July, '06 at RU.... :roll:


Well I guess we know it is purely a work of fiction then, or they wouldn't have posted it. They never even mentioned the name Lorenzo when he got arrested did they?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 12, 2007, 08:02:51 PM
Father-in-law ran away from home at aged 14, put himself through high school and college, graduated from law school.  I had interesting in-laws...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 08:03:33 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Sam"
But Why was Lorenzo brought into the story so quickly after Nat disappeared.?

Most of the time anymore I have doubts about his involvement but then when I reread post like ******* posted I start to reevalluate again.


I have to wonder if he didn't have a past that would perhaps make them think he was involved? That is whaat I recall thinking in the begining. How much of what we speculate does ALE know? Did he have a history of picking up tourists girls? Did ALE know that Joran and LVR are related ? Cellphone pings?

If Arubagirl knew they were related I would think so did a lot of other people.


Totally agree.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 08:03:50 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Father-in-law ran away from home at aged 14, put himself through high school and college, graduated from law school.  I had interesting in-laws...

Wow Muffy that is interesting.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 12, 2007, 08:04:12 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Obseerver
Just wondering
when & where was that 1st posted...  

I'v got to find the check book and pay for somethings  :(  before people get upset over a little thing like $$$
BBL


July, '06 at RU.... :roll:


Well I guess we know it is purely a work of fiction then, or they wouldn't have posted it. They never even mentioned the name Lorenzo when he got arrested did they?


It was reposted recently, but there were some chuckles after it was posted including one by chuckles himself...so, I wouldn't think too much about it.  jmo


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: BTgirl on July 12, 2007, 08:04:25 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Father-in-law ran away from home at aged 14, put himself through high school and college, graduated from law school.  I had interesting in-laws...


Yes you did! My FIL was in insurance, and MIL never worked outside the home. Not exactly enough there to write a book about.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 12, 2007, 08:04:57 PM
bb  I am just exhausted watching your avi push that ball up hill, then chase down hill.  


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 12, 2007, 08:05:02 PM
Gotta go for a bit...they're lining up for the computer... :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 12, 2007, 08:06:26 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Hi monkeys.  My mother-inlaw "Betty" used to paint the cels for Betty Boop.  She worked with Max Fleischer, who drew Betty Boop.  She had lots of Betty stuff.

That is too cool.  I loved the Betty Boop cartoons....wish those kinds were still around.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 08:06:28 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
bb  I am just exhausted watching your avi push that ball up hill, then chase down hill.  


HEHEHE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 12, 2007, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Father-in-law ran away from home at aged 14, put himself through high school and college, graduated from law school.  I had interesting in-laws...


Yes you did! My FIL was in insurance, and MIL never worked outside the home. Not exactly enough there to write a book about.  :lol:


MIL went over to Saudi Arabia in 1957 on a boat, with 3 young sons, one was my bratty husband to be.  This wasn't a cruise liner either.  I think it was a boat that carried goods, and you could buy passage.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 12, 2007, 08:07:07 PM
BUMP


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 12, 2007, 08:07:31 PM
50?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Destiny on July 12, 2007, 08:07:57 PM
Quote from: Angiex911dsptchr
Quote from: San
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
One
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/rudycroesfamily.png)

  I agree San..  Who is he in bed with? Paulus? Anita?


aaacccckkkkkkk....aaaccckkkkkk.....sorry

That made me hurl up a hairball....'nother....comin'...aaaaccccckkkkkkkkkkk

Destiny.....hi CHUCK MOUSIE.......hhhhiiisssssssssss


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on July 12, 2007, 08:07:59 PM
Where's robots?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 08:08:27 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Where's robots?

He's waiting :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 12, 2007, 08:08:53 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
BUMP



sending sunfreak a case of 'Nair' :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 12, 2007, 08:09:07 PM
Anyone have any idea how the police are going to nab Craig Stebic for the murder of his missing wife Lisa?  I wonder how they managed to get him noted as a person of interest?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: wreck on July 12, 2007, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Where's robots?


#656??????????????????????????????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: tcumom on July 12, 2007, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Father-in-law ran away from home at aged 14, put himself through high school and college, graduated from law school.  I had interesting in-laws...


Yes you did! My FIL was in insurance, and MIL never worked outside the home. Not exactly enough there to write a book about.  :lol:


MIL went over to Saudi Arabia in 1957 on a boat, with 3 young sons, one was my bratty husband to be.  This wasn't a cruise liner either.  I think it was a boat that carried goods, and you could buy passage.

Keep talking . . . this is interesting.  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on July 12, 2007, 08:09:42 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
BUMP



sending sunfreak a case of 'Nair' :lol:


OMGosh that's funny!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 12, 2007, 08:10:31 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
BUMP



sending sunfreak a case of 'Nair' :lol:


Why thanks and what big teeth you have.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #655 7/11 - 7/12/2007
Post by: San on July 12, 2007, 08:10:55 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/nowlocked.jpg)

Please move to LCD #656

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1328